| 00:02:18 | jbardin | hmmm |
| 00:02:19 | prpplague | jbardin: it varies with the font, the most i've gottens is 38 chars under x and 40 under qt |
| 00:02:19 | prpplague | jbardin: thats just my experience |
| 00:02:47 | jbardin | sweet thanks |
| 00:02:58 | jbardin | any of yous doin the sharp contest deal to get the free z? |
| 00:03:33 | [DrEvil] | returns |
| 00:03:35 | ljp_studio | i cant |
| 00:04:10 | jbardin | ljp how so? |
| 00:04:15 | [DrEvil] | kergoth: once your buildroot script pulls all the sources down does it always retrieve them again? |
| 00:04:26 | kergoth_ | [DrEvil] not unless you delete them |
| 00:04:39 | [DrEvil] | mmmk |
| 00:05:30 | ljp_studio | jbardin: cause I won a z in the tt contest |
| 00:05:33 | prpplague | [DrEvil]: it should store them in the dir and only pull them if its missing |
| 00:05:41 | jbardin | ljp cool.. what was the tt contest? |
| 00:05:45 | jbardin | i am new to the z scene |
| 00:05:49 | jbardin | i dont have one yet |
| 00:05:52 | [DrEvil] | I would hate to have to pull the kernel everytime I built |
| 00:06:02 | jbardin | but my friend has one and we are co developing software for ti |
| 00:06:10 | [DrEvil] | is that the biggest source ball in the build system? |
| 00:06:34 | kergoth_ | [DrEvil]: glibc is pretty large also.. |
| 00:06:42 | jbardin | is their a z emulator i can test my code on? |
| 00:06:44 | ljp_studio | jbardin: a developer contest ;) |
| 00:06:49 | [DrEvil] | *sigh* |
| 00:06:55 | [DrEvil] | my poor computer |
| 00:06:55 | treke|home | jbardin: I am |
| 00:06:59 | [DrEvil] | if I decide to try it |
| 00:07:21 | jbardin | treke your brave enough to let a stranger run code you dont have the source to on your zaurus with root perms |
| 00:07:23 | ljp_studio | the Sharp thing is a 'challenge' not real contest per se |
| 00:07:25 | jbardin | ... you are more man than i |
| 00:07:37 | jbardin | ljp its a free z for me ;) |
| 00:07:47 | treke|home | jbardin: Huh? |
| 00:07:55 | treke|home | I am in the contest |
| 00:08:08 | jbardin | ohoh.. i thought you were gonna let me test my code on your z haha |
| 00:08:12 | treke|home | jbardin: Just run it in the sdk's virtual frame buffer |
| 00:08:20 | treke|home | Its close enough |
| 00:08:21 | jbardin | treke cool, what are you developinhg |
| 00:08:28 | jbardin | yea.. well my app is currently in console mode |
| 00:08:31 | treke|home | vnc viewer |
| 00:08:50 | jbardin | i want to make sure it works on the arm architecture |
| 00:08:53 | jbardin | it compiled fine when i converted the envroment over... |
| 00:09:01 | treke|home | then run it on the skiffcluster |
| 00:09:08 | jbardin | skiffcliuster? |
| 00:09:10 | | i guess skiffcluster is at http://handhelds.org/projects/skiffcluster.html |
| 00:09:10 | treke|home | ibot: skiffcluster? |
| 00:09:12 | jbardin | url for that? |
| 00:09:26 | jbardin | rock on |
| 00:10:15 | sjohnson | jbardin: Its a set of ARM based machines you can use |
| 00:10:22 | jbardin | rock on |
| 00:10:27 | jbardin | man.. what a great commuinity effort |
| 00:10:36 | sjohnson | there is also a set of ipaqs as well |
| 00:10:49 | treke|home | sjohnson: Where are they? |
| 00:11:20 | sjohnson | ipaq1.handhelds.org |
| 00:11:28 | treke|home | ah rocking |
| 00:11:39 | sjohnson | 1-y iirc |
| 00:11:45 | sjohnson | er 6 |
| 00:11:46 | treke|home | nifty |
| 00:11:56 | treke|home | compaq rocks :) |
| 00:12:02 | [DrEvil] | I have to get Goldzaurus finished by Friday |
| 00:12:11 | treke|home | goldzaurus? |
| 00:12:20 | [DrEvil] | yeah |
| 00:12:29 | [DrEvil] | it's the codename for EvilROM 2.0 |
| 00:12:32 | treke|home | ah |
| 00:12:53 | treke|home | haha. they are running woody |
| 00:13:21 | treke|home | wishes one of them had kernel source on it |
| 00:13:47 | prpplague | [DrEvil]: EvilROM? |
| 00:14:03 | [DrEvil] | my version of the Sharp ROM |
| 00:16:48 | jbardin | so is it pretty safe to assume if my app compiles on the skiff cluster that it will work on a z? |
| 00:16:56 | prpplague | [DrEvil]: so what do you do special for your EvilRom? feed it tanis root? |
| 00:17:03 | jbardin | all i link to is libc i think |
| 00:17:19 | [DrEvil] | I took out the sharp PIM stuff and some other things that I don't use |
| 00:17:35 | [DrEvil] | and put in stuff like NFS, Samba, AutoFS |
| 00:17:43 | [DrEvil] | BlueZ, VNC |
| 00:17:46 | BZFlag | kergoth: I don't think the cf updater erases. It expects to get a 16M image so there would be no left over space to worry about. |
| 00:18:10 | kergoth_ | BZFlag: yeah thats what i thought.. I learned that the hard way :-) |
| 00:18:15 | BZFlag | for partial updates, like zimage etc, there might be uncleared regions. |
| 00:18:30 | BZFlag | heh. discovered the benefit in padding? ;-) |
| 00:18:38 | kergoth_ | BZFlag: yeah.. i flashed a full 14.5mb initrd, then flashed a 8mb initrd.. jffs2 was not happy with me... |
| 00:18:40 | kergoth_ | BZFlag: yup |
| 00:18:52 | Neo|Work | haha1 |
| 00:18:53 | mdz | cramfs seems to tolerate it...I'll watch out for it with jffs2 though |
| 00:19:09 | Neo|Work | kergoth: you need that morse code kernel panic patch for the Zaurus . :P |
| 00:19:19 | Neo|Work | make it blink and/or beep the error in morse code. :) |
| 00:19:19 | kergoth_ | Neo|Work aha I thought about that :-P |
| 00:19:38 | kergoth_ | mdz: yeah exactly |
| 00:20:22 | BZFlag | kergoth: feel free to use ibot for msgs, but memoserv is a bit faster. he delivers on all channels as soon as the nick is seen. |
| 00:20:43 | [DrEvil] | I only have BlueZ and fbvnc to build in |
| 00:20:45 | | BZFlag: what? |
| 00:20:45 | BZFlag | ibot does not inform till the nick talks. |
| 00:20:46 | sjohnson | _###!#%*&_ pager |
| 00:20:48 | jmhodges | dammit theres a new patch for windwos.. but no client :( |
| 00:20:49 | kergoth_ | BZFlag: yeah i like memoserv.. except a lot of people forget to login to nickserv, myself included ;-) |
| 00:20:59 | jmhodges | thinks tux is very disappointed with bioware |
| 00:21:14 | BZFlag | ahh. get "services" for xchat. ;-) |
| 00:21:16 | prpplague | kergoth_: hmm, this evenings buildroot is falling |
| 00:21:20 | mdz | rebuilds X for about the 60th time today |
| 00:21:21 | ][N-Flux | bioware and infogrames can bite my ass atm |
| 00:21:21 | kergoth_ | BZFlag: hey, what do i have to do to supply Vpen to the flash chips? I used the stock scoop_init function from 2.4.6, which enables SCP_VPEN ... |
| 00:21:26 | kergoth_ | prpplague: where's it failing? |
| 00:21:46 | jmhodges | hehe ][N-Flux cause of the lack of client? |
| 00:21:49 | BZFlag | kergoth_: that should be all afaik. |
| 00:21:57 | treke|home | jmhodges: I think one of the problems is that the linux guys are afk |
| 00:22:13 | kergoth_ | BZFlag: hm thats what i figured too.. the mtd layer is returning -EROFS (read only filesystem) |
| 00:22:27 | ][N-Flux | jmhodges: that and the promise of the client in the first place, when they damn well knew the launch would not include it |
| 00:23:06 | jmhodges | i want it sooo baaaad .. |
| 00:23:07 | ][N-Flux | Just glad I decided not to buy it right off |
| 00:23:13 | kergoth_ | BZFlag: i'm probably missing something obvious :-) i'll mail david woodhouse the log and decoded oops (jffs2 deref's a NULL pointer) |
| 00:23:14 | jmhodges | is thinking about rebooting to go play it |
| 00:23:24 | kergoth_ | jmhodges thats tempting, isnt it.. |
| 00:23:37 | jmhodges | yes it is |
| 00:23:38 | kergoth_ | im in linux atm also |
| 00:23:51 | prpplague | kergoth_: seems to be looking for a configure script in the BB section |
| 00:24:02 | kergoth_ | prpplague: ah, you're on a old autoconf |
| 00:24:09 | kergoth_ | prpplague: its looking for configure.in, not configure.ac |
| 00:24:17 | jbardin | what is the library i need to link to to do just console C code... qpe or qte? |
| 00:24:21 | kergoth_ | prpplague: dont ya just love autoconf... |
| 00:24:36 | kergoth_ | jbardin: uh, you dont need either... use libc |
| 00:24:37 | jmhodges | sigh |
| 00:24:41 | jmhodges | reboots |
| 00:24:45 | jmhodges | bbiab |
| 00:24:46 | prpplague | kergoth_: hmm, thats odd, i compiled last night , but i pulled down an fresh cvs a little while ago, |
| 00:24:50 | ][N-Flux | don;t do it man |
| 00:24:55 | kergoth_ | prpplague: hm |
| 00:24:57 | ][N-Flux | D'oh |
| 00:25:01 | BZFlag | kergoth: you did a mount -o remount,rw / ? |
| 00:25:09 | prpplague | kergoth_: oh well, time to straight out |
| 00:25:13 | prpplague | kergoth_: thanks |
| 00:25:19 | kergoth_ | BZFlag: jffs2 freaks on mount trying to obliterate obseleted nodes... |
| 00:25:27 | ][N-Flux | BZFlag: btw, no phone yet prbably tomorrow |
| 00:25:39 | kergoth_ | BZFlag: then after mount succeeds (after the errors) it oopses trying to run init.. so in never get that far :-) |
| 00:26:31 | jbardin | interestiung |
| 00:27:33 | BZFlag | ][N-Flux: hmm. I'm not sure yours shipped last week. got a bit of a backlog again. I'll be doing the rest tonight. |
| 00:27:52 | BZFlag | kergoth_: init=/bin/sh is your friend. |
| 00:27:54 | ][N-Flux | BZFlag: no biggie just givin ya the update |
| 00:28:00 | kergoth_ | BZFlag: using init=/bin/sh :-) |
| 00:28:19 | jbardin | rock |
| 00:28:42 | kergoth_ | BZFlag: so regardless of the actual underlying problem, jffs2 is reacting badly to it. Going to work with david to deal with that.. |
| 00:31:20 | jbardin | is there a way to tell tmake to not use -lqte in the makefile? |
| 00:31:53 | kergoth_ | read the tmake docs. there is iirc |
| 00:34:06 | Wembly | gotta love power failures :P |
| 00:34:08 | Wembly | anyhow bbl |
| 00:34:34 | jmhodges | yow |
| 00:34:37 | jmhodges | seeya |
| 00:36:54 | prpplague | kergoth_: thats was, looks like i wasn't paying attending, i actually compiled on laptop is was ssh'd into last night |
| 00:37:18 | kergoth_ | prpplague: ahh.. |
| 00:38:01 | jbardin | rock.. had to change what type of app it thought i was building |
| 00:38:14 | jbardin | from "qt" to "console"? |
| 00:38:19 | jbardin | er without the ? |
| 00:44:52 | Wembly | is away. Automatically set away [SZon] |
| 00:47:06 | warmi | re |
| 00:48:09 | prpplague | kergoth_: which bb are you currently build oz with? |
| 00:50:36 | jmhodges | hmm.. cant update.. damn |
| 00:52:26 | kergoth_ | prpplague: latest from cvs HEAD |
| 00:55:26 | prpplague | kergoth_: ok thanks, i think i've fudged some, i'm getting some odd compile warnings on bb |
| 01:03:24 | [DrEvil] | hopefully this will be my second to last flash |
| 01:05:36 | ljp_studio | hahahahaaa good luck |
| 01:06:04 | prpplague | [DrEvil]: on the buildroot, is it suppose to build some x86 packages? i didn't notice that last night |
| 01:07:00 | [DrEvil] | I dunno |
| 01:07:07 | [DrEvil] | I haven't run buildroot yet |
| 01:07:07 | kergoth_ | prpplague: well, certain packages are built for x86 |
| 01:07:10 | [DrEvil] | that is an all night affair |
| 01:07:25 | kergoth_ | prpplague: such as ipkg (for installing into the rootfs), and mtd (for an x86 mkfs.jffs2) |
| 01:07:38 | kergoth_ | prpplague: but if you mean can you change the entire system to build for an arch other than arm, edit include.mk |
| 01:08:28 | [DrEvil] | hmmm |
| 01:08:38 | [DrEvil] | I still have close to a megabyte of free space |
| 01:09:15 | ljp_studio | cramfs? |
| 01:09:22 | [DrEvil] | yeah |
| 01:09:52 | [DrEvil] | kergoth: is that opie bluetooth thing based on BlueZ? |
| 01:10:11 | kergoth_ | [DrEvil]: i believe so, but you'd have to ask zecke or harlekin for sure. |
| 01:10:32 | [DrEvil] | okie |
| 01:10:43 | prpplague | kergoth_: ok, i've used the buildroot for the tuxscreen and several other projects, but something seems a little different on this one |
| 01:11:01 | prpplague | kergoth_: might be i'm just brain dead from digi fun |
| 01:11:03 | [DrEvil] | nothing is as it seems |
| 01:11:06 | kergoth_ | prpplague: no, its altered |
| 01:11:19 | kergoth_ | prpplague: bzflag worked with me on its initial creation, before he imroved the tuxscreen buildroot |
| 01:11:54 | prpplague | kergoth_: ahh |
| 01:11:57 | kergoth_ | prpplague: I altered it further. The buildroot i based it on used a monolithic makefile, I split out the seperate items into configs/*.mk, similar to how bzflag did it in the tuxscreen buildroot |
| 01:17:45 | prpplague | warning about to paste |
| 01:17:47 | prpplague | pkg_depends.c: In function `pkg_hash_fetch_conflicts': |
| 01:17:47 | prpplague | pkg_depends.c:207: parse error before `*' |
| 01:17:47 | prpplague | pkg_depends.c:208: `search_ab_pkg_vec' undeclared (first use in this function) |
| 01:17:47 | prpplague | pkg_depends.c:208: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once |
| 01:17:48 | prpplague | pkg_depends.c:208: for each function it appears in.) |
| 01:17:49 | [DrEvil] | yay |
| 01:17:50 | prpplague | pkg_depends.c:249: parse error before `*' |
| 01:17:53 | [DrEvil] | VNC is working |
| 01:18:14 | prpplague | kergoth_: that ring any bells with you? |
| 01:18:24 | kergoth_ | hrm, not a one |
| 01:18:37 | kergoth_ | they may have broken the compile.. ah the dangers of pulling directly from cvs :-) |
| 01:19:38 | kergoth_ | prpplague: cd into sources/dl/familiar.. do a cvs up but check out one from a few weeks before.. then rm -rf build/familiar. and rerun the build |
| 01:19:44 | prpplague | kergoth_: odds of prpplague screwup > broken cvs |
| 01:20:04 | prpplague | kergoth_: will do, thanks |
| 01:21:17 | W|GGL|T | http://www.xanga.com/item.asp?user=CowboyDren&tab=weblogs&uid=1575700 |
| 01:21:31 | W|GGL|T | lol...decent joke |
| 01:22:11 | prpplague | W|GGL|T: nice |
| 01:22:14 | warmi | W|GGL|T: hehe |
| 01:33:04 | angryBSD | hahaha |
| 01:48:24 | jbwiv | hello guys. |
| 01:48:57 | jbwiv | does anyone know how long a compact flash memory card typically lasts? i'm considering buying a sans media from ebay (with a copyright of 99 on the card, if that's an indication of age). Is it safe to say it most likely has a lot of life left, or should I steer clear? thx |
| 01:49:43 | roge99_laptop | its writes that kill it afaik |
| 01:50:39 | jbwiv | roge99_laptop: yeah...but I'd like to use it as an additional file system and backup. wondering if it's most likely got some life left in it. |
| 01:51:22 | roge99_laptop | what i was saying ... i dont think shelf life is that much of a factor ... |
| 01:51:26 | sjohnson | jbwiv: I wouldn't worry about it. |
| 01:51:34 | roge99_laptop | as long as it hasnt bee used |
| 01:51:41 | roge99_laptop | been even |
| 01:51:57 | sjohnson | flash can be erased 100,000+ times |
| 01:52:23 | jbwiv | sjohnson: cool thx. Guess I won't be creating any swap space on it ;) |
| 01:52:57 | jbwiv | roge99_laptop: it has been used...it's a used card |
| 01:53:18 | sjohnson | It might be more. lastest flash chips can be erased 1,000,000 times |
| 01:53:40 | jbwiv | cool. |
| 01:53:50 | roge99_laptop | jbwiv: sorry ... i missed the ebay part :-) |
| 01:54:13 | roge99_laptop | if the price is right i wouldnt worry about it too much |
| 01:54:18 | jbwiv | is toolchain the only/best cross-compiler out there? (sorry to sling questions like mud, but I'm chock full tonight :)) |
| 01:54:38 | jbwiv | roge99_laptop: $28 for 64mb |
| 01:54:54 | kergoth_ | jbwiv: toolchain is a general term. sharp makes A toolchain avilable, not THE toolchain |
| 01:54:55 | jbwiv | I guess it won't hurt me too much to take a chance ;) |
| 01:54:58 | roge99_laptop | thats not that great.. |
| 01:55:17 | jbwiv | kergoth_: ah, thanks for the correction. what exactly does it mean? |
| 01:55:18 | kergoth_ | hey roge99 |
| 01:55:26 | roge99_laptop | i was picken up 128s new for like 50 |
| 01:55:31 | roge99_laptop | hey kergoth |
| 01:55:34 | roge99_laptop | how goes it |
| 01:56:39 | jbwiv | I'm trying to get started with some qt apps, and downloading the cross-compiler at ftp://ftp.handhelds.org/pub/linux/arm/toolchain/. Just wondering if that's the one I need, or if there's better more configurable (this one seems to have a rigid set of cans/can'ts) option out there. |
| 01:57:31 | sjohnson | jbwiv: that toochain works well. I compile kernels all the time with it |
| 01:58:01 | jbwiv | fwiw, it's the one pointed to from qpe.sourceforge.net |
| 01:58:18 | jbwiv | sjohnson: cool, thx. can anyone give me a hint why it's called "toolchain"? |
| 01:58:19 | prpplague | kergoth_: ya it looks like "1 week ago" did the trick on the ipkg stuff |
| 01:58:34 | kergoth_ | prpplague: hehe. i'm not surprised.. |
| 01:58:37 | kergoth_ | prpplague: glad to hear it though |
| 01:59:00 | kergoth_ | jbwiv: try google. |
| 01:59:14 | jbwiv | k. thx |
| 01:59:23 | prpplague | kergoth_: guess you don't a minute by minute update, just thought you'd like to know incase someone else pestered you |
| 01:59:55 | kergoth_ | personally, i use the crosscompiler toolchain from www.arm.linux.org.uk (or rather, the gcc 2.95.3 toolchain from erikm thats linked to from there) |
| 02:00:00 | kergoth_ | prpplague: thanks, good to know |
| 02:00:18 | kergoth_ | prpplague: ipkg/C is in flux, so we use cvs to have the latest functionality. same with busybox |
| 02:01:26 | prpplague | kergoth_: yes erikm's toolchain has been very stable and reliable for me as well |
| 02:02:21 | jbwiv | alright. thanks guys. I appreciate the answers. |
| 02:02:24 | treke|home | hows the embedix toolchain? |
| 02:03:09 | prpplague | treke|home: ssshhhh, BZFlag is lurking |
| 02:03:14 | sjohnson | treke: I've used it a couple of times w/o any probs |
| 02:03:44 | treke|home | hehe. I've got it installed, but dont think I've compiled anything with it :) |
| 02:04:11 | kergoth_ | I used the embedix toolchain for quite some time to build numerous things, including OZ.. it works well, though I've seen a few kinks with it |
| 02:04:13 | jbwiv | one final one (hopefully). in the qvfb docs, there's the instruction "# Compile qvfb as a normal Qt/X11 application and run it. Do not compile it as a Qt/Embedded application." Does this mean I should not configure qt-embedded with "./configure -qvfb" and build qvfb some other way (like with the regular qt lib)? |
| 02:04:30 | kergoth_ | jbwiv: build qvfb from qt/x11, not qt/embedded |
| 02:04:57 | jbwiv | kergoth_: do I still need "./configure -qvfb" when compiling qt-embedded? |
| 02:05:29 | kergoth_ | jbwiv: i just told you, you're not building qvfb when you build qt/e. |
| 02:05:45 | kergoth_ | jbwiv: if you need clarification on what the -qvfb configure option does, try ./configure --help |
| 02:06:03 | jbwiv | kergoth_: cool. sorry. Thought I'd read somewhere to include that. didn't know if it was need for compatibility. |
| 02:06:12 | jbwiv | kergoth_: ok, thanks. I will. |
| 02:06:44 | kergoth_ | gah stupid make, its trying to run a get on Makefile.. |
| 02:07:01 | kergoth_ | anyone know how make's SCCS integration works? |
| 02:08:13 | roge99_laptop | lol |
| 02:08:21 | roge99_laptop | # ipkg upgrade opie-base |
| 02:08:21 | roge99_laptop | ERROR: The following packages conflict with opie-base: |
| 02:08:21 | roge99_laptop | opie-base |
| 02:08:51 | treke|home | haha |
| 02:09:00 | kergoth_ | lol |
| 02:09:00 | roge99_laptop | thats real nice |
| 02:09:09 | kergoth_ | roge99_laptop: I heard a report of that in #handhelds.org... |
| 02:09:22 | kergoth_ | roge99_laptop: didnt pay attention to its resolution, if there was one, though. |
| 02:09:52 | roge99_laptop | i was going to remove it and reinstall it |
| 02:09:55 | roge99_laptop | but.... |
| 02:10:26 | roge99_laptop | now theres no --force-removal-of-essencial-packages |
| 02:10:42 | kergoth_ | there isnt? |
| 02:10:53 | roge99_laptop | oh wait... |
| 02:10:56 | roge99_laptop | there is ! |
| 02:11:53 | kergoth_ | hehe |
| 02:11:58 | roge99_laptop | wait .. |
| 02:12:04 | roge99_laptop | i was wrong ... |
| 02:12:08 | roge99_laptop | its gone ... |
| 02:12:13 | roge99_laptop | now theres -force-removal-of-dependent-packages |
| 02:12:34 | roge99_laptop | which un-installes all dependent packages |
| 02:13:07 | kergoth_ | why cant you remove opie-base |
| 02:13:08 | kergoth_ | ? |
| 02:13:18 | kergoth_ | i didnt think opie-base was marked with a priority of essential |
| 02:13:32 | roge99_laptop | # ipkg remove opie-base |
| 02:13:32 | roge99_laptop | Package opie-base is depended upon by packages: |
| 02:13:39 | roge99_laptop | long list of packages |
| 02:13:51 | roge99_laptop | ... |
| 02:13:52 | roge99_laptop | ... |
| 02:13:55 | roge99_laptop | These might cease to work if package opie-base is removed. |
| 02:13:55 | roge99_laptop | You can force removal by with -force-removal-of-dependent-packages |
| 02:13:55 | roge99_laptop | or by setting option force_removal_of_dependent_packages in ipkg.conf. |
| 02:14:15 | roge99_laptop | it will uninstall pretty near everything |
| 02:15:04 | roge99_laptop | and I have gone and fscked up things again ! |
| 02:16:36 | kergoth_ | ? |
| 02:16:51 | roge99_laptop | its monday... |
| 02:16:59 | kergoth_ | you were going to reinstall it anyway right? just uninstall opie-base, that'll wipe out opie.. then just reinstall it |
| 02:17:04 | kergoth_ | yes, it is |
| 02:17:05 | kergoth_ | heh |
| 02:17:10 | roge99_laptop | yea ... |
| 02:17:25 | roge99_laptop | i have installed boatloads of stuff .. |
| 02:17:38 | roge99_laptop | i would end up haveing to reistall everything ... |
| 02:17:54 | roge99_laptop | some went on root others to mtdram and still more to sd |
| 02:18:04 | kergoth_ | ahh... |
| 02:18:06 | kergoth_ | what a pain |
| 02:18:09 | roge99_laptop | yea |
| 02:18:11 | kergoth_ | edit /usr/lib/ipkg/status |
| 02:18:22 | roge99_laptop | yea thats what im thinken |
| 02:18:22 | kergoth_ | remove opie-base from all the depends lines |
| 02:18:23 | kergoth_ | :-P |
| 02:18:37 | kergoth_ | i edit that way more often than i should have to |
| 02:18:37 | kergoth_ | hehe |
| 02:18:45 | roge99_laptop | :-) |
| 02:19:13 | ][N-Flux | is away: Runnin from the Devil.... |
| 02:19:44 | prpplague | kergoth_: hmm, whats the latest mtd snapshot thats stable for use with oz? the one that is being called from buildroot is MIA |
| 02:20:32 | kergoth_ | prpplague: yeah, I keep having to update it. i've been grabbing the latest snapshot |
| 02:20:43 | kergoth_ | prpplague: really doesnt matter, all we pull from there is mkfs.jffs2 |
| 02:21:00 | prpplague | kergoth_: ok thanks |
| 02:21:00 | kergoth_ | prpplague: i should update it to either pull from a certain ver or pull directly from cvs |
| 02:21:32 | prpplague | kergoth_: before i get done, i'm going to owe you a large steak dinner and a beer....... |
| 02:21:58 | kergoth_ | prpplague: hehe. nah, half these problems are things i shouldve fixed up a while back :-) |
| 02:25:59 | jmhodges | anyone else thinking MS is pulling an "embrace and extend" on linux core apps? i started worrying when ballmer admitted that linux was a problem.. but now this |
| 02:26:07 | kergoth_ | ? |
| 02:26:24 | jmhodges | the .NET Apache |
| 02:28:41 | jmhodges | im just whistling dixie though |
| 02:28:41 | [DrEvil] | they are trying to avoid the lawshit |
| 02:28:44 | [DrEvil] | lawsuit |
| 02:28:45 | [DrEvil] | heh |
| 02:28:48 | jmhodges | yeah |
| 02:29:07 | jmhodges | its a very "hey-look-at-us-we-like-it-too" move |
| 02:31:05 | prpplague | IMHO the linuxworld deal is a setup, they are way too sneaky for just be a friendly exihibitor |
| 02:36:15 | prpplague | oops |
| 02:37:07 | prpplague | looks like the bear was more of a dog |
| 02:38:32 | jmhodges | the bear was more of a dog? what the hell did i miss? |
| 02:40:25 | prpplague | jmhodges: lol, the server split was from bear.openprojects.net |
| 02:43:05 | jmhodges | aaaah |
| 02:54:02 | W|GGL|T | hi jmhodges |
| 02:54:13 | jmhodges | heya W |
| 02:54:16 | jmhodges | heya W|GGL|T |
| 02:55:22 | jmhodges | whats up wiggie? |
| 02:59:36 | W|GGL|T | not much....just browsing my Zaurus links (ZZ, Z.loves.linux...) |
| 02:59:45 | jmhodges | cool |
| 03:00:14 | W|GGL|T | gonna eat, clean the mess in the kitchen then prolly go to bed...my girls passed a bug onto me |
| 03:00:22 | W|GGL|T | feel the beginnings of sickness |
| 03:02:21 | jmhodges | norway is fucked up |
| 03:02:24 | jmhodges | W|GGL|T: ouch sucks |
| 03:02:25 | prpplague | W|GGL|T: fun, i had dr.dad last week |
| 03:02:31 | jmhodges | dr. dad? |
| 03:02:56 | prpplague | jmhodges: you know take care of the kids and be the doctor |
| 03:03:16 | prpplague | jmhodges: my favorite is the projectile vomiting |
| 03:03:19 | jmhodges | aaah |
| 03:03:44 | W|GGL|T | has always been dr. dad :o) |
| 03:03:54 | W|GGL|T | the vomiting sucks! bleh! |
| 03:04:16 | W|GGL|T | then the sneezing that creams their whole chins with snot |
| 03:04:17 | W|GGL|T | heh |
| 03:04:23 | jmhodges | ewww |
| 03:04:35 | jmhodges | is not yet a father.. hope to god i wont be for a while yet |
| 03:04:42 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 03:05:00 | W|GGL|T | either become a monk or get your nutz cut :oP |
| 03:05:07 | prpplague | AMEN |
| 03:05:57 | jmhodges | lol |
| 03:06:31 | jmhodges | im hoping i get at least 7 more years of unfatherhood |
| 03:06:31 | W|GGL|T | ok...bbiab...gotta eat |
| 03:06:36 | jmhodges | seeya W|GGL|T |
| 03:06:36 | prpplague | jmhodges: actually the kids aren't too bad, its the monster that gives birth to them, lol |
| 03:07:04 | jmhodges | lol! |
| 03:17:25 | prpplague | kergoth_: still around? |
| 03:20:44 | kergoth_ | prpplague: yeah, trying to beat mtd into being nice to me |
| 03:20:48 | kergoth_ | prpplague: whats up? |
| 03:21:15 | prpplague | kergoth_: pcmcia build is looking for spectrum.conf and it doesn't exist |
| 03:21:50 | prpplague | kergoth_: its just a cp in the .mk, ok if i just comment it out for now? |
| 03:22:55 | prpplague | kergoth_: ya i notice dwmw2 had a lot of warnings on the latest mts snapshot |
| 03:23:09 | kergoth_ | prpplague: doh.. hold on.. my fault.. i have like 8 changes pending commit.. the rest arent critical |
| 03:23:43 | kergoth_ | prpplague: you can comment it if you like, spectrum.conf is the pcmcia card entries for the spectrum-cs driver (the socket/symbol CF wlan cards, prism2(.5?) cards that need firmware download on load) |
| 03:24:58 | prpplague | kergoth_: ahh ok thanks |
| 03:25:06 | kergoth_ | prpplague: well, I'm working on porting 2.5.26-rmk1 to the Z.. technically, i'm porting the embedix patch from 2.4.6 to 2.5.26-rmk1.. and for some reason, I cant mount the flash read/write. reports -EROFS (read only filesystem)... |
| 03:25:23 | kergoth_ | annoying as hell, because its holding up the rest of shit i need to do |
| 03:26:07 | kergoth_ | prpplague: and it freaking about ROFS results in a kernel NULL pointer dereference in jffs2.. ugly ugly shit |
| 03:27:19 | prpplague | kergoth_: funnn |
| 03:27:35 | kergoth_ | prpplague ohhh yeah |
| 03:28:04 | prpplague | kergoth_: did you make it to OLS? |
| 03:28:17 | kergoth_ | prpplague: on the plus side, being a newbie, the port to latest 2.5 is really forcing me to be aware of what kernel dev is doing on |
| 03:28:20 | kergoth_ | prpplague: unfortunately, no |
| 03:32:35 | prpplague | kergoth_: it was nice, ya i run into the same thing, i.e force me to learn digi drivers, lol |
| 03:33:33 | kergoth_ | prpplague: I'd like to go to the summit next year.. |
| 03:33:37 | kergoth_ | lol.. hate that |
| 03:34:30 | br33zy | ls warmi |
| 03:34:31 | br33zy | warmi!! |
| 03:41:17 | kergoth_ | hey hunger |
| 03:42:27 | warmi | ls warmi ? |
| 03:42:29 | warmi | hmm |
| 03:42:39 | kergoth_ | warmi: i think you're a file now |
| 03:42:41 | kergoth_ | :-P |
| 03:43:03 | warmi | unix |
| 03:43:04 | roge99_laptop | hey kergoth ... i think i have the freset script fixed for zImage-32 |
| 03:43:09 | warmi | this is what it does to you |
| 03:43:14 | kergoth_ | hehe |
| 03:43:36 | kergoth_ | roge99_laptop: so it doesnt fail out when it doesnt find the mtdram device anymore? |
| 03:43:43 | roge99_laptop | right |
| 03:44:02 | kergoth_ | nice. |
| 03:44:10 | roge99_laptop | ill mail it to ya |
| 03:44:15 | kergoth_ | roge99_laptop: so is OZ being sane for you now? |
| 03:44:20 | kergoth_ | roge99_laptop: okay, cool. thanks a lot |
| 03:51:17 | prpplague | kergoth_: hmm, seems there is a missing orinoco.mk file |
| 03:52:12 | kergoth_ | prpplague: remove the dependency on it. again, its my fault for not syncing my tree with cvs |
| 03:52:22 | kergoth_ | prpplague: edit openzaurus.mk and remove teh dependency on orinoco.mk |
| 03:52:40 | kergoth_ | prpplague: i moved the orinoco drivers and spectrum drivers into my kernel build, so they are no longer seperate targets. |
| 03:52:53 | prpplague | kergoth_: ahh ok, will do |
| 03:53:03 | kergoth_ | prpplague: I wont have time to sync up cvs tonight. most likely will tomorrow. |
| 03:54:10 | roge99_laptop | kergoth.. whats your email |
| 03:54:36 | VanDerVek | grrrrrr |
| 03:54:46 | ]DrEvil[ | um |
| 03:54:48 | ]DrEvil[ | ok |
| 03:54:50 | ]DrEvil[ | so |
| 03:54:58 | jmhodges | hehehe |
| 03:55:02 | ]DrEvil[ | how does one set the icon for a tab in qpe |
| 03:55:03 | jmhodges | vandervek? |
| 03:55:06 | prpplague | kergoth_: np, this is just a test run to get familiar with the process |
| 03:55:15 | kergoth_ | prpplague: cool |
| 03:55:22 | kergoth_ | roge99_laptop: kergoth@digitalnemesis.net |
| 03:55:31 | kergoth_ | ]DrEvil[: .directory file |
| 03:56:02 | ]DrEvil[ | mmmkay |
| 03:56:03 | ]DrEvil[ | danke |
| 03:56:06 | kergoth_ | np |
| 03:56:20 | kergoth_ | is linux-mtd.infradead.org still down? |
| 03:56:32 | kergoth_ | ah good |
| 03:57:05 | jmhodges | hunh interesting |
| 03:57:22 | jmhodges | theres a project for everything (thank god OZ/opie doesnt have to do it all ;) |
| 03:57:23 | jmhodges | jesus.. |
| 03:57:28 | jmhodges | thunderstomr |
| 03:57:38 | jmhodges | debates whether or not to shutdown |
| 04:02:31 | treke|home | hehe. just my like. I update to familiar unstable and ipkg dies :) |
| 04:03:46 | prpplague | treke|home: you just grab the ipkg stuff? i used the -D "1 week ago" |
| 04:04:03 | treke|home | no. The feed |
| 04:04:49 | prpplague | treke|home: ahh |
| 04:06:22 | treke|home | .ipk is still a tar.gz right? |
| 04:06:31 | kergoth_ | imho the handhelds folks really really need to abstract ipkg into an ipkg library, and make ipkg just utilize those capabilities.. |
| 04:06:38 | kergoth_ | yeah its a tarball containing two other tarballs |
| 04:06:49 | treke|home | hmmm. Tar isnt liking the contents of the feed :) |
| 04:07:55 | kergoth_ | hah |
| 04:08:25 | treke|home | oh well. I didnt need ipkg anyways |
| 04:11:21 | kergoth_ | hehe |
| 04:11:40 | kergoth_ | got to expect such things when you run a version called 'unstable'.. |
| 04:11:47 | kergoth_ | :-) |
| 04:11:57 | treke|home | yup. Everything else loads, so good enough :) |
| 04:12:42 | treke|home | I'll just backtrack to a known good ipkg :) |
| 04:13:19 | prpplague | well, i got a kernel and a initrd with x, guess i'll call it a night...... |
| 04:13:35 | prpplague | kergoth_: thanks for the help |
| 04:13:54 | kergoth_ | prpplague: np, sleep well |
| 04:14:36 | kergoth_ | heh, looks like we'll have targets for X in the oz buildsystem soon then, nifty |
| 04:14:49 | roge99_laptop | kergoth.. whats the opie.net.wox.org feed url ? |
| 04:15:01 | | somebody said feeds was listed at http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds |
| 04:15:01 | treke|home | ibot, feeds? |
| 04:15:07 | roge99_laptop | and did you get my mail |
| 04:15:07 | | opie is, like, the Open Palmtop Integrated Environment. More info can be found at http://opie.handhelds.org or in the #opie channel. or at http://www.opie.info or at http://www.opie.us or most important at http://www.opie.info |
| 04:15:07 | treke|home | ibot, opie |
| 04:15:39 | treke|home | hmm. its not ipkg thats at fault |
| 04:15:41 | treke|home | interesting |
| 04:16:37 | kergoth_ | roge99_laptop: hrm, i dont remember the exact url |
| 04:16:38 | | it has been said that feed is a package repository or http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds or http://www.zauruszone.com/feed/ or http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/ for OpenZaurus or http://opie.net.wox.org for cvs Opie |
| 04:16:38 | kergoth_ | ibot: feed? |
| 04:16:41 | kergoth_ | there we go |
| 04:16:47 | kergoth_ | roge99_laptop: yup i got it, thanks |
| 04:16:51 | | treke|home: what? |
| 04:16:51 | treke|home | ibot hates me |
| 04:17:17 | | No luck, kergoth_ |
| 04:17:17 | kergoth_ | ibot: insult treke|home |
| 04:17:20 | kergoth_ | hah |
| 04:17:28 | kergoth_ | thats amusing |
| 04:17:31 | | I used to be a FUNDAMENTALIST, but then I heard about the HIGH RADIATION LEVELS and bought an ENCYCLOPEDIA!! |
| 04:17:31 | kergoth_ | ibot: yow |
| 04:18:04 | kergoth_ | whee |
| 04:18:07 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 04:18:32 | kergoth_ | Sugar, make me a long island |
| 04:18:32 | Sugar | combines vodka, gin, light rum, tequila, juice of half a lemon and cola, pours over ice in a highball glass then adds cola for color and garnish with slice of lemon and serves it to kergoth_. |
| 04:18:37 | | kergoth is nothing but an unmuzzled accumulation of pox-marked fish heads. |
| 04:18:37 | jmhodges | ibot insult kergoth |
| 04:18:38 | jmhodges | WHOA |
| 04:18:43 | jmhodges | i forgot about Sugar |
| 04:18:46 | kergoth_ | hehe |
| 04:18:50 | jmhodges | Sugar help |
| 04:18:51 | Sugar | I'm Sugar, an interactive Pike bot. These modules are currently loaded: babelfish, beer, cyborg, dice, drinks, fortune, google, quote, seen and talk. To get module specific help, type: help <modulename> |
| 04:18:56 | [DrEvil] | I wish the python libs were smaller |
| 04:19:02 | kergoth_ | [DrEvil]: agreed |
| 04:19:17 | jmhodges | why? for an interpter on the Z? |
| 04:19:28 | treke|home | hmmm. work is beginning on 3900 support |
| 04:21:14 | kergoth_ | nice |
| 04:21:30 | treke|home | might come in handy for future ozs :) |
| 04:21:33 | [DrEvil] | yay |
| 04:21:36 | [DrEvil] | I have a VNC tab |
| 04:21:46 | treke|home | vnc tab? |
| 04:22:18 | [DrEvil] | I put VNC in my rom |
| 04:22:26 | [DrEvil] | and put the all the icons in it's own tab |
| 04:22:29 | [DrEvil] | there were too many |
| 04:22:33 | kergoth_ | [DrEvil]: fbvncserver? |
| 04:22:38 | [DrEvil] | yeah |
| 04:22:49 | treke|home | ah that makes sense |
| 04:22:50 | jmhodges_ | goddamn |
| 04:23:01 | kergoth_ | jmhodges: ? |
| 04:23:04 | jmhodges_ | ok so are you trying to put py on the Z |
| 04:23:06 | treke|home | was confused because he didnt release the vnc viewer with doclnk support yet :) |
| 04:23:08 | jmhodges_ | dialup again |
| 04:23:17 | kergoth_ | treke|home: hehe |
| 04:23:20 | jmhodges_ | i get booted after a 2 hrs on the line im on |
| 04:23:32 | kergoth_ | thats annoying |
| 04:23:35 | [DrEvil] | I don't have enough space to put python in there |
| 04:23:42 | jmhodges_ | right |
| 04:23:44 | [DrEvil] | I wish I did |
| 04:23:47 | treke|home | it may piss off all the people that hate the documents tab, but dammit I like it :) |
| 04:23:54 | [DrEvil] | because this mkautosmb script I found needs it |
| 04:24:10 | kergoth_ | i like docs tab.. i just want it to let me display in a list form, rather than the huge icons... |
| 04:24:14 | jmhodges_ | [DrEvil]: is there a way maybe to strip the doc strings and such |
| 04:24:24 | jmhodges_ | [DrEvil]: and remove the documentation included |
| 04:24:26 | treke|home | same here. I like the theory, the presentaion needs work |
| 04:24:27 | kergoth_ | jmhodges_: it'll still be huge |
| 04:24:36 | kergoth_ | jmhodges_: python & perl are just large.. not meant for embedded systems |
| 04:24:39 | [DrEvil] | I'll have to check |
| 04:24:59 | kergoth_ | treke|home: yeah.. good idea, implemented badly.. hey that applies to all of qtopia! ;-) |
| 04:25:16 | [DrEvil] | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 14524416 Jul 22 22:19 initrd.bin |
| 04:25:25 | jmhodges | ? |
| 04:25:25 | [DrEvil] | that's where I am space-wize |
| 04:25:30 | jmhodges | ah |
| 04:25:32 | kergoth_ | heh |
| 04:25:34 | [DrEvil] | -rw-r--r-- 1 william william 14811136 Jul 19 22:45 ROMDISK.BIN-20020621 |
| 04:25:38 | [DrEvil] | I can't go over that |
| 04:25:41 | kergoth_ | running low |
| 04:25:42 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 04:26:13 | [DrEvil] | but my ROM has a lot of stuff |
| 04:26:19 | [DrEvil] | I can probably delete ToDo |
| 04:26:27 | [DrEvil] | since tkcToDo is in beta |
| 04:26:48 | [DrEvil] | prolly wont free up that much space though |
| 04:26:56 | treke|home | aha. I cant have more than one active feed in ipkg |
| 04:27:20 | [DrEvil] | htmmm |
| 04:27:26 | [DrEvil] | 177K for ToDolist |
| 04:27:28 | jmhodges | http://www.physicsweb.org/article/news/6/7/11 <-- so sweet |
| 04:30:06 | [DrEvil] | eek |
| 04:30:20 | [DrEvil] | python is 6852K uncompressed |
| 04:30:56 | [DrEvil] | kergoth_: have any probs been reported with using opie-confeditor under qpe? |
| 04:32:13 | Aaton | well I just ordered a SL-5500 and was wondering whats wireless cards or other URLs I should read |
| 04:33:52 | treke|home | ok. now I trashed my ipaq :) |
| 04:35:30 | [DrEvil] | hrmmm |
| 04:35:38 | kergoth_ | [DrEvil]: not to my knowledge... i never tested it on qpe tough |
| 04:35:40 | [DrEvil] | don't install opie-confeditor on qpe |
| 04:35:46 | [DrEvil] | no no no no |
| 04:35:46 | kergoth_ | what happened? |
| 04:35:59 | [DrEvil] | it does the same thing that happens if you install oipkg on qpe |
| 04:36:10 | kergoth_ | treke|home: see, you did need ipkg after all. :-P |
| 04:36:13 | kergoth_ | [DrEvil]: which is...? |
| 04:36:16 | treke|home | kergoth_: not really |
| 04:36:24 | [DrEvil] | I only see the Documents tab |
| 04:36:27 | treke|home | kergoth_: What I did need was wget, ls, rm, and so on :) |
| 04:36:36 | kergoth_ | [DrEvil]: did you install from the feed? |
| 04:36:40 | kergoth_ | treke|home: hehe |
| 04:36:48 | kergoth_ | treke|home: yeah, they help |
| 04:36:52 | [DrEvil] | I installed from a copy of the feed that I have |
| 04:37:03 | [DrEvil] | it is up2date |
| 04:37:05 | kergoth_ | dont install any opie apps from an opie feed on the sharp rom |
| 04:37:06 | kergoth_ | period. |
| 04:37:16 | kergoth_ | it will install things it depends on that you dont want on a sharp rom... |
| 04:37:19 | kergoth_ | i.e. opie-base |
| 04:37:23 | [DrEvil] | oh |
| 04:37:24 | [DrEvil] | I see |
| 04:37:29 | kergoth_ | just ipkg install it as a local ipk and you'll be fine |
| 04:37:51 | [DrEvil] | it did take awhile to install |
| 04:37:56 | kergoth_ | i bet |
| 04:38:09 | kergoth_ | it likely downloaded qt/e, opie-base, and libopie and installed them all |
| 04:38:51 | kergoth_ | just think how much ram that used up :-) |
| 04:39:09 | [DrEvil] | unfortunately I couldn't check |
| 04:39:16 | kergoth_ | yeh |
| 04:41:40 | treke|home | haha and he recovers! |
| 04:41:42 | [DrEvil] | hmmm |
| 04:41:46 | treke|home | does a little dance |
| 04:42:05 | [DrEvil] | it says "The directory /root/Settings/ could not be opened |
| 04:42:28 | kergoth_ | [DrEvil]: bug |
| 04:42:30 | kergoth_ | [DrEvil]: report it |
| 04:42:48 | kergoth_ | [DrEvil]: it shouldnt be checking /root/Settings, it should be checking $HOME/Settings, which is /home/root/Settings on the sharp rom. |
| 04:43:22 | [DrEvil] | well |
| 04:43:40 | [DrEvil] | the default /etc/passwd line for the sharp rom has home as /root |
| 04:43:43 | [DrEvil] | not /home/root |
| 04:43:46 | kergoth_ | hmmm |
| 04:43:51 | kergoth_ | thats pretty stupid, since /root isnt writable |
| 04:43:54 | kergoth_ | right? |
| 04:44:05 | [DrEvil] | yeah |
| 04:44:06 | kergoth_ | odd |
| 04:44:15 | kergoth_ | [DrEvil]: try changing your homedir to /home/root |
| 04:44:16 | [DrEvil] | I am edited the passwd |
| 04:44:18 | kergoth_ | k |
| 04:44:20 | [DrEvil] | and now I am rebooting |
| 04:46:03 | [DrEvil] | $PATH is set to /home/root |
| 04:46:12 | [DrEvil] | but it is still trying for /root |
| 04:46:23 | kergoth_ | you mean $HOME? |
| 04:46:24 | kergoth_ | hehe |
| 04:46:33 | [DrEvil] | yeah |
| 04:46:33 | [DrEvil] | that |
| 04:46:39 | kergoth_ | if thats the case, report it as a bug.. that its looking in /root/Settings, not $HOME/Settings. |
| 04:47:30 | kergoth_ | [DrEvil]: actually, search mantis first. someone else may have reported it.. or it may even have been fixed in cvs, but not in the feeds |
| 04:47:39 | kergoth_ | heh |
| 04:48:26 | [DrEvil] | woah |
| 04:48:36 | kergoth_ | ? |
| 04:48:36 | [DrEvil] | I tried to do a search and it went crazy |
| 04:49:18 | [DrEvil] | try doing a search in the bug viewer |
| 04:51:38 | [DrEvil] | a long error |
| 04:51:50 | kergoth_ | hah |
| 04:51:54 | kergoth_ | man, its definately monday |
| 04:51:59 | kergoth_ | i'm going to bed. night |
| 04:52:03 | [DrEvil] | heh |
| 04:52:08 | br33zy | gtg |
| 04:52:09 | br33zy | now |
| 04:52:12 | br33zy | the pain!! |
| 04:52:12 | br33zy | ;-) |
| 04:52:18 | [DrEvil] | should I write this on the back of a paper napkin and send it to you? |
| 04:52:32 | sig | howdy |
| 04:53:03 | kergoth`zzz | [DrEvil]: if you have troubles with the bug tracking system, just email em my way and i'll pester people |
| 04:53:10 | kergoth`zzz | [DrEvil]: kergoth@digitalnemesis.net |
| 04:53:14 | kergoth`zzz | heh |
| 04:53:16 | kergoth`zzz | k night |
| 04:53:25 | [DrEvil] | night |
| 04:54:01 | treke|home | cool. now have 2 more meg of space :) |
| 04:54:44 | treke|home | now do I tempt fate with a reboot :) |
| 04:55:26 | treke|home | I do |
| 05:02:10 | jmhodges | wb Sig, Nadav, wyvern |
| 05:02:19 | jmhodges | hehe treke|home |
| 05:02:57 | sig | jmhodges: I hit the wrong command |
| 05:02:59 | sig | grrr |
| 05:03:25 | treke|home | hmmm. rebooting wasnt wise :) |
| 05:03:48 | jmhodges | ouch treke|home |
| 05:03:50 | jmhodges | hehe sig |
| 05:03:58 | Nadav | thanks jmhodges |
| 05:04:45 | W|GGL|T | grrrrrrr.....rtcw's zombies are higly irritating |
| 05:05:02 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 05:05:28 | jmhodges | ill just let NWN's zombies try to take on my sorc.. and then i fucking Horrid Wilting they're ass :) |
| 05:05:36 | W|GGL|T | i was playing to relax and ended up more tense |
| 05:05:37 | W|GGL|T | heh |
| 05:05:44 | jmhodges | ":) |
| 05:05:50 | jmhodges | i hate that |
| 05:05:55 | jmhodges | i like to do that too |
| 05:06:04 | jmhodges | pick up a shooter to relieve some stress |
| 05:06:09 | jmhodges | and then i start sucking |
| 05:06:11 | jmhodges | not good |
| 05:06:15 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 05:06:16 | W|GGL|T | yeah |
| 05:07:04 | W|GGL|T | ok...1am...i think i'll hit the sheets 'early' for once |
| 05:07:39 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 05:07:42 | jmhodges | i should go |
| 05:07:46 | jmhodges | im rather tired |
| 05:08:13 | W|GGL|T | yeah, me too...and im NOT bringing the Z to bed with me |
| 05:08:25 | W|GGL|T | although browsing the web in bed is nice |
| 05:09:06 | W|GGL|T | ok....night all |
| 05:09:08 | W|GGL|T | is away: nite all |
| 05:09:11 | W|GGL|T | nite jmhodges |
| 05:09:29 | jmhodges | gnight W|GGL|T |
| 05:34:51 | sig | lol |
| 05:34:57 | sig | I found my new fun for a few days |
| 05:34:59 | sig | lol |
| 05:35:31 | sig | I got a gui yahoo irc client called gyach and I am pissing off the yahoo irc'ers |
| 05:35:32 | sig | lol |
| 05:35:50 | Nadav | lol |
| 05:41:22 | Speedy2 | re |
| 05:41:28 | sig | sup Speedy2 |
| 05:57:21 | Speedy2 | re |
| 06:04:11 | johnix | hi |
| 06:07:35 | johnix | hi |
| 06:18:02 | Speedy2 | brb, reboot |
| 06:33:01 | arrrg | hello is someone here? |
| 06:39:40 | Nadav | yes |
| 06:43:00 | altrdo | I'm still using the qtopia-sdk-1.5.0-3 is there anything newer? |
| 06:49:52 | altered | anyone here an expert on packaging apps for the Zaurus? |
| 06:50:06 | noidd | <-- not an expert but has done it |
| 06:50:19 | Nadav | heh |
| 06:50:20 | noidd | <-- far from an expert. A veritable novice in fact. |
| 06:50:37 | noidd | <-- Ask this one last if no-one else knows |
| 06:50:51 | altered | Well, my project was on hold for a few months, and now I have some time to work on it again... |
| 06:51:24 | altered | a lot of people said they couldn't get it to uninstall... I made the original package for the early 5000D ROM, but things have changed a bit. |
| 07:01:13 | noidd | wheeeeeeeee |
| 07:18:59 | noidd | gotta love netsplits |
| 07:46:00 | noidd | damn, whats up with this channel today? |
| 07:58:55 | arrrg | I have never been closer to the edge of getting a zaurus |
| 07:59:03 | noidd | go on, jump :-) |
| 07:59:05 | arrrg | but I just read somewhere that it only gets one hour of life |
| 07:59:09 | noidd | you won't regret it |
| 07:59:10 | arrrg | with backlight |
| 07:59:31 | arrrg | with backlight on, how many hours of life do you get? |
| 07:59:41 | noidd | thats the same of all PDA's above palm format |
| 07:59:45 | noidd | including ipaq etc |
| 07:59:51 | arrrg | hmm |
| 08:00:03 | noidd | you don't use it for an hour straight... thats the point :-) |
| 08:00:11 | noidd | on, do stuff, suspend |
| 08:00:14 | noidd | on, do stuff, suspend |
| 08:00:17 | noidd | on, do stuff, suspend |
| 08:00:27 | noidd | I've gone 3 days without a recharge |
| 08:00:42 | arrrg | what should I expect to buy to go with it |
| 08:00:54 | arrrg | compact flash reader, 128 meg cf card |
| 08:00:58 | arrrg | thats on my list |
| 08:01:21 | noidd | I personally would get the mmc/sd card for storage instead of CF |
| 08:01:33 | noidd | leaves the CF free for wireless LAN etc |
| 08:01:41 | arrrg | what make of card should I get |
| 08:01:48 | arrrg | or are they essentially the same |
| 08:02:15 | noidd | if you are talking about SD cards... |
| 08:02:19 | arrrg | yes |
| 08:02:22 | noidd | there is an incompatible list |
| 08:02:29 | arrrg | where |
| 08:02:34 | noidd | as there are some timing issues on some cards... |
| 08:02:38 | noidd | good question :-) |
| 08:02:41 | | bugger all, i dunno, noidd |
| 08:02:41 | noidd | ibot, sd card? |
| 08:02:44 | | no idea, noidd |
| 08:02:44 | noidd | ibot, sd cards? |
| 08:02:49 | | wish i knew, noidd |
| 08:02:49 | noidd | ibot, sandisk? |
| 08:02:58 | noidd | useless thing |
| 08:03:24 | noidd | arrrg: Certainly, sandisk and compaq sd cards have issues |
| 08:03:34 | arrrg | hmm |
| 08:03:46 | noidd | I believe that its only the 128M and up of those vendors |
| 08:04:06 | noidd | its not zaurus specific either... other handhelds have the same issues so i'm told |
| 08:04:24 | noidd | <-- has a 256M sandisk sd card which isn't working :-/ |
| 08:04:37 | noidd | sorry, compaq I mean... not sandisk |
| 08:04:47 | noidd | but we suspect that compaq == rebadged sandisk |
| 08:05:15 | arrrg | hmm |
| 08:05:20 | noidd | the problem is write only.. so I guess hypothetically I could use it as ROM :-) |
| 08:05:42 | arrrg | whats the difference between mmc and sd |
| 08:06:07 | noidd | "artist protection" |
| 08:06:17 | noidd | but the Zaurus completely ignores it :-) |
| 08:06:42 | noidd | I dont think they make mmc bigger than 64M or 128M |
| 08:06:52 | arrrg | I would imagine they are more expensive too? |
| 08:06:56 | noidd | whereas i've seen 512M sd cards |
| 08:07:00 | noidd | yeah they are |
| 08:07:15 | noidd | you pay for the privilige of having your consumer rights taken away from you :-) |
| 08:08:09 | johnix | SD is also faster and more expansive than MMC |
| 08:08:25 | arrrg | hmm |
| 08:08:42 | arrrg | I read this thing that said a lot of the sd cards and mmc's don't work |
| 08:08:43 | noidd | johnix: yes, but the majority of sd implementations still use the slower interface (including the Z I am led to believe) |
| 08:08:48 | arrrg | the ones that are over 64 |
| 08:08:58 | arrrg | and the speed and copywrite protection features of sd are ignored |
| 08:09:07 | arrrg | or "not taken advantage of" |
| 08:09:17 | noidd | arrrg: thats what we were just talking about above :-) |
| 08:09:20 | johnix | ok, good thing to know |
| 08:09:34 | noidd | avoid sandisk and re-badged sandisk and you should be fine. |
| 08:10:13 | johnix | http://www.senseboard.com/index.php |
| 08:10:15 | noidd | pretty much everyone on this channel has an SD card of some description |
| 08:10:32 | arrrg | sandisk mmc's have more problems than sandisc sd |
| 08:10:36 | arrrg | according to this lsit |
| 08:10:37 | NeoTron | coolio. got FLAC audio plugged into RocketElite and Bust'em |
| 08:10:43 | NeoTron | saves some 800 KB in Bust'em |
| 08:10:45 | arrrg | Compaq 256M SD: Mounts read/write but after the tiniest amount of writing locks up and mounts read/only. B0rked. red@criticalintegration.com? |
| 08:10:45 | arrrg | SanDisk 128M SD: Seems to work perfectly (1.12 ROM) Many reported failures with this card on the mail lists after June 10th 2002. |
| 08:10:45 | arrrg | SanDisk 64MB MMC: Would not resume properly |
| 08:10:46 | arrrg | SanDisk 32MB MMC: Would not resume properly (1.12 ROM) |
| 08:10:46 | arrrg | SanDisk 16MB SD: Works perfectly |
| 08:10:48 | arrrg | Hitachi 64MB MMC: Works perfectly (1.03,1.11 ROMs) |
| 08:10:50 | arrrg | SanDisk 64MB SD: Works perfectly (1.10 ROM) |
| 08:10:52 | arrrg | Transcend 64MB MMC: Works perfectly (1.10 ROM) |
| 08:10:54 | arrrg | Lexar 32MB SD: Works perfectly (1.12 ROM) --Kip |
| 08:10:56 | arrrg | Toshiba 128MB SD: eventually I/O errors, mostly after resume --Maik |
| 08:10:58 | arrrg | Infineon (??) 64MB MMC (by Reichelt Elektronics www.reichelt.de): Works perfektly (Zaurus Z 5500G with original rom)! eilers |
| 08:11:08 | NeoTron | goes to bed, happy with the nights work. |
| 08:12:49 | noidd | arrrg: yeah - I know about that page - I'm the red@critint in that list (256M Compaq) |
| 08:13:03 | arrrg | heh |
| 08:13:12 | arrrg | whoops! |
| 08:13:28 | noidd | rocketelite? |
| 08:13:30 | johnix | that sucks |
| 08:13:32 | | rocketelite is http://eongames.com/games/re/ or http://www.rocketelite.com/ |
| 08:13:32 | noidd | ibot, rocketelite? |
| 08:14:47 | arrrg | I have a opengl demo I would want to put on my zaurus, do I need to use qt? |
| 08:15:06 | noidd | two things there |
| 08:15:28 | noidd | 1) opengl requires gl hardware or mesa |
| 08:16:16 | noidd | mesa is heavy on floating point - so will probably be a lil slow |
| 08:16:21 | arrrg | OpenGL ES |
| 08:16:25 | arrrg | is coming soon I think |
| 08:16:30 | NeoTron | RocketElite rocks. :) |
| 08:16:50 | noidd | NeoTron: i'm looking at the website now... soooooooo slooooowwwwww...... |
| 08:17:12 | arrrg | noidd: 2? |
| 08:17:17 | noidd | getting there :-) |
| 08:17:36 | noidd | question first |
| 08:17:41 | noidd | is your demo X based? |
| 08:17:51 | arrrg | eyah |
| 08:18:05 | noidd | well, you can't run X and qtopia at the same time |
| 08:18:18 | noidd | but you can bounce backwards and forwards between them with ease |
| 08:18:29 | arrrg | hmm |
| 08:18:37 | George- | hi ho |
| 08:19:02 | arrrg | But if I wanna write anything that is GUI on the Z, it has to use Qt... yes or no? |
| 08:19:03 | noidd | I would have thought that mesa would compile easy tho on the Z, just have performance uissues |
| 08:19:04 | George- | The scratch remover for my PDA screen has arrived mwahhaha |
| 08:19:07 | noidd | George-: hey ho |
| 08:19:13 | George- | attacks it with a sledgehammer |
| 08:19:22 | noidd | i've never had a scratch on any of my pda's... ever |
| 08:19:28 | George- | yeh well |
| 08:19:32 | George- | I was unlucky ;) |
| 08:19:35 | arrrg | btw: My opengl demo ran fine on a pentium 1 160 |
| 08:19:39 | George- | is normally v. careful |
| 08:19:41 | arrrg | with no hardware 3D |
| 08:19:45 | arrrg | it's just lines man! |
| 08:19:53 | arrrg | at small res! |
| 08:19:53 | Jerakeen | arrrg: Hardware FP in that, though. |
| 08:19:53 | noidd | arrrg: it'll probably be fine then :-) |
| 08:20:13 | noidd | indeed Jerakeen |
| 08:20:13 | arrrg | ok nother question |
| 08:20:24 | arrrg | I hear that hte USB is some sorta network whoozit |
| 08:20:33 | noidd | yes |
| 08:20:34 | NeoTron | goes to bed for real |
| 08:20:37 | NeoTron | is away: sleep |
| 08:20:41 | arrrg | PPP over USB? |
| 08:20:42 | noidd | later NeoTron` :-) |
| 08:20:48 | noidd | arrrg: nope. |
| 08:21:02 | noidd | arrrg: its ethernet over usb |
| 08:21:14 | George- | arrrg: is this the USB docking station? |
| 08:21:18 | George- | arrrg: that's ETH over USB |
| 08:21:22 | George- | er.. |
| 08:21:24 | arrrg | yes |
| 08:21:25 | George- | *eth over USB |
| 08:21:33 | arrrg | but it makes a PPP to make the ethernet |
| 08:21:39 | noidd | although i'm sure the implementation isn't really ethernet... but that is how it appears top the kernel |
| 08:21:47 | arrrg | hmm |
| 08:21:54 | noidd | you have a module to insert into your linux kernel on your desktop |
| 08:21:58 | noidd | called usbdnet |
| 08:25:01 | arrrg | my grand master plan to do someday: have an in dash mount for my Z, use it as a control panel for my car stereo, which it would really be doing is docking with a computer in the car. |
| 08:25:21 | arrrg | horizontally docking... hmm |
| 08:25:28 | | rocketelite is http://eongames.com/games/re/ or http://www.rocketelite.com/ |
| 08:25:28 | noidd | ibot, rocketelite? |
| 08:36:15 | George- | jeez wtF is the Z's screen made of? |
| 08:36:16 | George- | LEAD? |
| 08:38:24 | johnix | George-: would you by any chance have been on the PsiLinux project ML before? |
| 08:51:56 | George- | johnix: yes |
| 08:52:00 | George- | johnix: I'm George Wright |
| 08:52:36 | George- | why? |
| 08:52:40 | johnix | huh, I thought so. Nice to see you again |
| 08:52:46 | George- | you're Thoman Tempe, right? |
| 08:52:49 | George- | *Thomas |
| 08:53:04 | johnix | Well, you're the one who attempted to port QT to the Psion, right? |
| 08:53:18 | George- | yeh |
| 08:53:24 | johnix | Are you still using it? |
| 08:53:28 | George- | erm, sorta |
| 08:53:41 | George- | but since I got my Zaurus, my Psions have been collecting dust |
| 08:53:49 | johnix | Are you still on that project ML? |
| 08:54:00 | johnix | I guess so. |
| 08:54:07 | George- | yes |
| 08:54:39 | George- | do you have a Zaurus? |
| 08:55:00 | johnix | cool. Do you know if the 2.4 kernel has finally been ported to the S5? |
| 08:55:04 | johnix | no, not yet |
| 08:55:22 | George- | no |
| 08:55:24 | George- | It hasn't |
| 08:55:31 | George- | Andrew Kozin hasn't done much |
| 08:55:39 | johnix | I'm in Asia since before it came out in Europe, but I will buy one as soon as I get back to France. |
| 08:55:54 | johnix | well, there's not much use for that machine then |
| 08:56:00 | George- | no |
| 08:56:09 | George- | not until Stanson gets 2.4.6 released |
| 08:56:14 | johnix | I always hoped I could get GNU Emacs to run on it... |
| 08:56:35 | George- | lol |
| 08:56:38 | johnix | that could have been the killer ap... |
| 08:56:42 | George- | no way |
| 08:56:43 | George- | VI |
| 08:56:43 | George- | !!! |
| 08:56:45 | George- | VI!!! :) |
| 08:57:11 | johnix | But I got CPU exceptions with some obscure unsupported instruction, so it never worked |
| 08:57:15 | johnix | Vi? |
| 08:57:29 | arrrg | so I shouldnt' get a sandisk? |
| 08:58:07 | arrrg | does Mr. Flash do good things for me long-time? |
| 08:58:42 | johnix | VI does not have a calendar, mail client, hexadecimal editor, shell, chinese input system (well, forget about that one) or an emedded psychologist and text-mode adventure game! |
| 08:58:43 | George- | arrrg: Are you referrring to SD? |
| 08:58:50 | arrrg | George-: yes |
| 08:59:19 | johnix | I don't want no Vi, Zile, or any other "emacs-like" "actually-more-like-notepad" text editor. |
| 08:59:34 | arrrg | George-: I want to get a SD card at www.newegg.com (where I am ordering the Z) |
| 08:59:42 | George- | arrrg: the 128MB SanDisk SDs are really bad |
| 08:59:45 | George- | Get another make |
| 09:00:02 | arrrg | George-: I was thinking of getting Mr. Flash 64mb |
| 09:00:15 | arrrg | probably getting 2 of them |
| 09:00:49 | arrrg | they are not in stock! |
| 09:00:50 | arrrg | bah! |
| 09:01:24 | George- | lol |
| 09:01:35 | George- | With the 64MB ones, get the cheapest I think :) |
| 09:01:41 | arrrg | do PNY cards work? |
| 09:01:44 | George- | I have a 64MB SanDisk MMC, and it works OK |
| 09:02:01 | arrrg | I want a 128 card, but it seems they don't work |
| 09:02:18 | arrrg | from what I hear |
| 09:02:19 | George- | Mine works.... |
| 09:02:30 | arrrg | you have a 128mb SD card? |
| 09:02:35 | George- | I have a Dane-Elec 128MB SD |
| 09:02:36 | George- | Yes |
| 09:02:52 | arrrg | and who makes it? |
| 09:03:00 | George- | Dane-Elec |
| 09:03:10 | arrrg | are you sure? |
| 09:03:14 | George- | well |
| 09:03:19 | George- | It says Dane-Elec on it |
| 09:03:22 | George- | and that's the company.... |
| 09:03:47 | arrrg | and it works? |
| 09:03:57 | arrrg | With the Zaurus? |
| 09:04:44 | George- | yes |
| 09:04:49 | George- | All 128MB of it |
| 09:04:57 | George- | Only the SanDisk SDs 128MB don't work |
| 09:05:09 | George- | because they have a firmware update in them, that's incompatible with everything |
| 09:05:09 | arrrg | hmm... |
| 09:05:24 | arrrg | ? |
| 09:06:40 | George- | don't ask me |
| 09:06:47 | George- | I'm just repeating what's been said in the forums |
| 09:07:05 | arrrg | oh kay |
| 09:07:25 | Jerakeen | I have a corrupting 64meg MMC... |
| 09:07:37 | arrrg | who makes it? |
| 09:09:10 | Jerakeen | nuts, I can't find the thing now. :-( |
| 09:09:25 | Jerakeen | must still be at home/ |
| 09:09:44 | noidd | George-: and the Compaq 256M |
| 09:09:57 | George- | noidd: Compaq 256M what? |
| 09:10:03 | noidd | sd card |
| 09:10:08 | noidd | is non-functional |
| 09:10:13 | George- | is there a compaq 256M SD card? |
| 09:10:17 | noidd | yes |
| 09:10:21 | noidd | I have on in my Z |
| 09:10:30 | noidd | and after writing a certain amount of data to it... |
| 09:10:33 | George- | y'know there is a 512MB Panasonic SD |
| 09:10:37 | noidd | it becomes read only |
| 09:10:51 | noidd | yeah - but I dont want to re-mortgage my soul :-) |
| 09:10:56 | arrrg | noidd: hwo did you do that to it? |
| 09:12:09 | noidd | I've enabled full kernel debugging in the Z SD driver |
| 09:12:26 | noidd | and according to sharp support, its the exact same problem that the sandisk has |
| 09:12:37 | noidd | so they suspect that Compaq == re-badged sandisk |
| 09:13:57 | arrrg | hmm |
| 09:23:52 | | zaurus is probably at http://developer.sharpsec.com/index.cfm or the closest thing to sex I can get in the palm of my hand. |
| 09:23:52 | arrrg | ibot zaurus |
| 09:30:42 | SirPsycho | haha |
| 09:56:13 | noidd | anyone here got a 5000D and here and alive? |
| 09:56:19 | noidd | just want to ask a quick question |
| 09:56:28 | ljp | I have one |
| 09:56:57 | noidd | ljp: which kernel are you running on it? |
| 09:57:10 | noidd | you done the upgrade to the latest firmware? |
| 09:57:38 | ljp | whatever kernel came with the rom |
| 09:58:12 | noidd | ljp: you on the latest ROM they just released/ |
| 09:58:14 | noidd | ? |
| 09:58:33 | ljp | ya |
| 09:58:43 | ljp | they havent changed kernels at all |
| 09:58:44 | noidd | cool :-) |
| 09:58:49 | noidd | un-cool |
| 09:58:53 | mark | ljp: whats the new rom like? |
| 09:59:21 | noidd | was kinda hoping that they fixed the sandisk module, but forgot to document it :-) |
| 09:59:22 | ljp | like the old rom with changes to addressbook |
| 09:59:27 | noidd | hey, was a long shot :-) |
| 09:59:59 | mark | ljp: hehe |
| 10:00:06 | noidd | 4b645a4236c63940d533a77d70dea73f sharp_mmcsd_m.o |
| 10:00:11 | noidd | is broke. |
| 10:00:15 | noidd | ah well, we tried :-) |
| 10:41:27 | [George-] | Nuhduhv! |
| 10:41:28 | [George-] | hi |
| 11:38:20 | Gfx | hello |
| 11:38:44 | Gfx | does any of you know where the apps key config is stored ? |
| 11:50:35 | Gfx | please |
| 11:50:51 | Gfx | anyone can send me /opt/QtPalmtop/bin/appskey ? |
| 11:52:25 | zecke|away | why? |
| 11:52:40 | Gfx | cause I lost mine :) |
| 11:52:52 | zecke|away | Gfx: download the ipkh |
| 11:52:56 | zecke|away | ipk even |
| 11:53:03 | Gfx | the OPIE ipk ? |
| 11:53:12 | Gfx | it does not work on my Z |
| 11:53:24 | Gfx | it runs but it does not save my changes |
| 11:53:33 | zecke|away | ah |
| 11:53:58 | Gfx | so I'd like to switch back to the default appkeys binary without having to flash the ROM |
| 11:54:31 | Jerakeen | Gfx: explode the sharp rom, and loopback mount the initrd as ext2. Dead easy. |
| 11:55:13 | Gfx | Jerakeen > oki, thanks :) |
| 11:55:44 | Jerakeen | Gfx: http://jerakeen.org/zaurus/romburst.c will explode the ROMIMAGE file assuming you don't have it. |
| 11:56:06 | Gfx | I got it somewhere on my HD, but thanks :) |
| 12:00:52 | benmeyer | Morning |
| 12:00:54 | benmeyer | :-D |
| 12:01:47 | Nadav | morning |
| 12:01:54 | Sniper | java contest is launched |
| 12:02:06 | Sniper | Sharp is a proud sponsor of the JPDA 2002 Application Developers Contest. Win great prizes including $10,000, laptops, PDAs, and consumer electronics equipment. |
| 12:02:14 | Sniper | http://www.insignia.com/jpda2002/ |
| 12:06:12 | ljp_work | ljp_ |
| 12:06:25 | ljp_ | hmm |
| 12:07:43 | Sniper | Sharp is a proud sponsor of the JPDA 2002 Application Developers Contest. Win great prizes including $10,000, laptops, PDAs, and consumer electronics equipment. |
| 12:09:58 | ljp_ | starts learning java |
| 12:12:39 | Nadav | haha |
| 12:17:35 | noiddFOOD | grins at sniper |
| 12:17:40 | noidd | grins at sniper |
| 12:17:42 | noidd | even |
| 12:18:04 | Sniper | noidd? |
| 12:19:28 | noidd | just good to hear news like that |
| 12:20:06 | Sniper | about contests? |
| 12:23:01 | noidd | yup |
| 12:27:33 | noidd | Sniper: I found the Sun / Sharp java survey very interesting |
| 12:27:42 | Sniper | oh? |
| 12:28:00 | noidd | yeah, I didn't realise that you guys were so close to sun |
| 12:28:05 | noidd | or considering shall I say |
| 12:28:23 | Sniper | we are rather close with them |
| 12:28:26 | noidd | perhaps Sun is considering working with the Z as a Java platform |
| 12:28:34 | Sniper | possibly.. .hmmmmmmmmm |
| 12:28:41 | Sniper | :) |
| 12:28:44 | noidd | Well, they do need one |
| 12:29:04 | noidd | and JV'ing / OEM'ing the Z, would be a lot cheaper than self-dev |
| 12:29:25 | Sniper | thats an interesting thought |
| 12:29:27 | noidd | and the Z is a good, solid and proven platform. |
| 12:29:35 | Sniper | right now we're just at a friendly stage |
| 12:29:48 | noidd | :-) |
| 12:29:50 | Sniper | so whatever happens.. would be nice.. but right now sun is in the toilet |
| 12:30:08 | noidd | Sun seems to be suffering reciently, that is true. |
| 12:30:25 | noidd | perhaps its time for them to leaverage some of their technology into a new sector :-) |
| 12:30:25 | Sniper | so i doubt they would be willing to deepen our parntership anytime soon |
| 12:30:39 | Sniper | hmm well at linuxworld they will be announcing linux servers |
| 12:30:48 | Sniper | i think that may be their focus no |
| 12:31:05 | noidd | Its interesting, because Solaris is an interesting OS |
| 12:31:26 | noidd | its very stable, but when it falls its completely opaque |
| 12:31:49 | noidd | There are no real licencing issues for Solaris, since its "free" (as in beer) |
| 12:31:57 | noidd | yet their customers still seek linux |
| 12:32:03 | noidd | that I found interesting |
| 12:32:11 | noidd | that probably scares Sun |
| 12:33:05 | noidd | Sniper: do you know the expiry date of that survey anyways? |
| 12:33:11 | Sniper | hmm lemme check |
| 12:33:17 | noidd | the date on the web site and the dateit gave at the end of the survey were different |
| 12:33:48 | Sniper | i'll change it to 26 |
| 12:34:06 | noidd | even better |
| 12:34:34 | Sniper | i'll update now |
| 12:34:35 | Sniper | brb |
| 12:35:35 | CmdrChalupa | has anyone run into any trouble using SD driver that comes with the zaurus with a homebrew kernel? |
| 12:37:31 | noidd | never tried it |
| 12:37:36 | noidd | you getting symbol issues? |
| 12:38:18 | CmdrChalupa | no, I'm just trying to feel the waters before I try it |
| 12:38:20 | Sniper | ok just updated |
| 12:38:30 | CmdrChalupa | so I guess I'll be star trekking it? |
| 12:38:31 | noidd | cool :-) |
| 12:38:41 | noidd | hehe, good luck with it |
| 12:38:57 | Sniper | zaurus... the final frontier |
| 12:39:03 | noidd | Sniper: any idea of an eta on the sandisk issue? :-) |
| 12:39:20 | noidd | rough, finger in air... not going to hold you contractually liable :-) |
| 12:39:20 | Sniper | i was told this would be in 1-2 weeks... same with the security issue |
| 12:40:26 | CmdrChalupa | so has anyone here messed around with the kernel and drivers and stuff ? |
| 12:40:33 | noidd | Sniper: cool, I have 19 days with which to send this sd card back (30 day return policy) |
| 12:40:42 | noidd | 14 < 19 so i'm good :-) |
| 12:41:03 | Sniper | i hope soooon... |
| 12:41:21 | noidd | CmdrChalupa: best person to speak to is kergoth |
| 12:41:25 | djk | Sniper: That would be great. |
| 12:41:27 | prpplague | noidd: thats assuming the "associate" behind the counter knows how to count |
| 12:42:01 | Sniper | but i wouild anticipate the security patch will come before the sandisk issue |
| 12:42:49 | noidd | Sniper: the security issue comes it three parts |
| 12:42:52 | noidd | 1) kernel |
| 12:42:56 | noidd | 2) qtopia |
| 12:42:57 | djk | Sniper: and big Press Release to show the response to the issue |
| 12:43:02 | noidd | 3) PC sync software |
| 12:43:22 | Sniper | i know .. i know.. |
| 12:43:33 | Sniper | the real fix is multi-user security |
| 12:43:37 | noidd | chances are that 1 and 2 is complete |
| 12:43:39 | Sniper | instead of just root |
| 12:43:45 | noidd | and just waiting for 3) |
| 12:43:49 | noidd | ie, third party supplier |
| 12:44:38 | Sniper | ftp root@192.x.x.x.x |
| 12:44:39 | Sniper | ugh |
| 12:45:01 | noidd | Sniper: if it was just that - it woudln't be a problem |
| 12:45:22 | noidd | since in order to comprimise the Z you would have to comprise the persons desktop |
| 12:45:38 | zecke|away | Sniper: the real fix is a ssh tunnel + pw for root + pw for the ports 4242 and 4243 |
| 12:45:41 | Sniper | unless on a wireless LAN |
| 12:46:01 | Sniper | well if we're going to fix this.. we should do it right |
| 12:46:07 | noidd | Sniper: indeed. |
| 12:46:11 | Sniper | not hard code 4242 and 4243 into QPE.. use Ipchains |
| 12:46:13 | giminy | kernel still doesn't generate enough random number data for ssh to be very effective |
| 12:46:17 | Sniper | and multiuser logins |
| 12:46:19 | noidd | Sniper: indeed. amen |
| 12:46:36 | Sniper | but im not engineering.. im just the marketing dude |
| 12:46:45 | zecke|away | Sniper: one problem in Linux is the loose binding to ports.. which still conforms to the TCP/IP RFCs |
| 12:46:50 | giminy | is working on fixing that up today. |
| 12:46:55 | noidd | Sniper: ibot knows this |
| 12:47:00 | | sniper is Sharp marketing drone |
| 12:47:00 | noidd | ibot, sniper? |
| 12:47:08 | Sniper | haha.. funny |
| 12:47:10 | noidd | <-- didn't insert that |
| 12:47:16 | Sniper | who put that in there? |
| 12:47:21 | zecke|away | Sniper: that is security through obscurity ( not hardcoding ) |
| 12:47:27 | | hmmm... jasonnj is "Jason Perlow" <mailto:perlow@hotmail.com> |
| 12:47:27 | Sniper | ibot jasonnj |
| 12:47:43 | | well, benmeyer is the guy that works at Sharp with Jason and runs the zauruszone feed and howtos |
| 12:47:43 | Sniper | ibot benmeyer |
| 12:47:52 | noidd | Sniper: you dont want to see what it said about a certain other sharp person |
| 12:47:59 | Sniper | which one? |
| 12:48:03 | noidd | something along the lines of XXX is JasonNJ's bitch |
| 12:48:10 | Sniper | we dont get too many Sharp people in irc |
| 12:48:36 | | you are Sharp marketing drone |
| 12:48:36 | Sniper | ibot sniper |
| 12:48:45 | Sniper | I am 2 of 12 |
| 12:49:00 | Sniper | you will be assimulated |
| 12:49:23 | noidd | Sniper: you know about marketting, in this market - is sharp likely to push with more Z advertising? or wait until the next model (if any) |
| 12:49:33 | Sniper | we have a new ad coming out |
| 12:49:39 | BigBoss | can you dance to it? |
| 12:49:48 | Sniper | it's got some HOT models on it |
| 12:49:53 | Sniper | but no-name models |
| 12:49:55 | Sniper | but still HOT |
| 12:49:58 | BigBoss | perfect |
| 12:50:06 | BigBoss | get that hostess from Dog Eat Dog - she is hot |
| 12:50:10 | Sniper | i wish i was at the photoshoot..oh well |
| 12:50:23 | Sniper | bb: get your developers working in Java |
| 12:50:37 | BigBoss | I already have some of the top java developers around |
| 12:50:41 | BigBoss | java on the zaurus sucks |
| 12:50:46 | Sniper | for 10k in might now |
| 12:50:46 | noidd | ENOSWING |
| 12:50:47 | Sniper | not |
| 12:51:00 | Sniper | it might not |
| 12:51:03 | Sniper | do it for the $$ |
| 12:51:08 | BigBoss | we can't win twice |
| 12:51:15 | Sniper | is that in the rules? let me look |
| 12:51:17 | noidd | that was what my Java developer said to me :-( |
| 12:51:51 | Sniper | for the developer challenge you cant win again |
| 12:52:37 | Sniper | http://www.insignia.com/content/contest/rules.shtml |
| 12:53:03 | Sniper | brb |
| 12:53:34 | noidd | emails the url to his java dude |
| 12:59:53 | noidd | Ah, this is a marketting question for Sniper |
| 13:00:09 | noidd | the marketting contacts for US go to US |
| 13:00:14 | | CmdrChalupa hits me when nobody is looking. |
| 13:00:14 | CmdrChalupa | ibot CmdrChalupa |
| 13:00:19 | | CmdrChalupa hits me when nobody is looking. |
| 13:00:19 | CmdrChalupa | ibot CmdrChalupa |
| 13:00:21 | CmdrChalupa | doh |
| 13:00:32 | noidd | the marketting contacts for mainland europe, go to europe |
| 13:00:44 | noidd | The marketting contacts for the UK go to Japan :-) |
| 13:00:55 | CmdrChalupa | why don't we ever see any sharp devel folk in here? |
| 13:01:10 | noidd | we do |
| 13:01:14 | CmdrChalupa | ah |
| 13:01:15 | CmdrChalupa | ok |
| 13:01:18 | bipolar | benmeyer is sharp |
| 13:01:26 | | CmdrChalupa hits me when nobody is looking. |
| 13:01:26 | CmdrChalupa | ibot CmdrChalupa |
| 13:01:28 | CmdrChalupa | doh |
| 13:01:45 | | ...but cmdrchalupa is an idiot, he said so himself. | <reply> CmdrChalupa hits me when nobody is looking.... |
| 13:01:45 | CmdrChalupa | ibot CmdrChalupa is an idiot |
| 13:02:21 | djk | Sniper: The new model that I have heard about does not have a keyboard will this phase out the SL-5500 series or be in addition to the SL-5500? |
| 13:02:58 | noidd | no keyboard? thats the bit that my non-linux PDA friends like the most about it |
| 13:03:31 | BigBoss | it's the A-300 you are thinking about |
| 13:03:34 | BigBoss | that was released in Japan |
| 13:03:46 | BigBoss | the 5600 I think is pretty much identical on the outside to the 5500 |
| 13:03:55 | djk | Yes the a-300 I heard it is expected in the US in the fall |
| 13:04:10 | noidd | do we know what the specs of the 5600 will be? |
| 13:04:11 | BigBoss | that is up in the air still last I heard |
| 13:04:29 | noidd | or is it still conceptual? |
| 13:05:00 | BigBoss | I think some of the guts are still up in the air like cpu, memory, but the overall design is done |
| 13:05:11 | noidd | cool |
| 13:05:24 | djk | So the A-300 is a new product/different customer using the same linux/java and there will be more SL-xxxx products |
| 13:06:13 | djk | any public or web sites that give hints on the SL-5600? |
| 13:06:41 | BigBoss | I don't think there is Java in it |
| 13:06:45 | | http://sharp-world.com/corporate/news/020624.html or the new pda that Sharp has put out in Japan |
| 13:06:45 | BigBoss | ibot a300 |
| 13:08:51 | djk | interesting no java. Actually I don't think I would miss it much having a linux computer in my hand is very useful |
| 13:09:22 | hunger | djk: There is Java mentioned for the A300. |
| 13:09:25 | djk | BigBoss: what about information on the SL-5600 you mention |
| 13:10:00 | prpplague | BigBoss: i don't see the amount of flash on the a300 |
| 13:10:34 | BigBoss | I don't have any more info on the 5600 than what I told you |
| 13:11:11 | | noidd: no idea |
| 13:11:11 | noidd | ibot, intent? |
| 13:11:28 | | BigBoss: excuse me? |
| 13:11:28 | BigBoss | ibot 5600 |
| 13:11:31 | | OK, noidd. |
| 13:11:31 | noidd | ibot, intent is hidden at http://sl.yunimo.com/SL/SL-5000D/index.html |
| 13:12:31 | BigBoss | how is intent better than jeode? |
| 13:12:57 | noidd | I have absolutely no idea |
| 13:13:10 | noidd | just adding a factiod |
| 13:13:56 | djk | BigBoss: are Sharp employee or just in the know on Sharp details |
| 13:15:22 | BigBoss | I'm the president of theKompany.com |
| 13:15:28 | djk | Ah |
| 13:16:07 | BigBoss | do you own any of our Z software? |
| 13:16:18 | BigBoss | because if you don't, then we are both loosing money :) |
| 13:17:52 | VerxHome | heads in to woik |
| 13:17:53 | VerxHome | see y'all |
| 13:18:08 | prpplague | BigBoss: nice selling point... |
| 13:18:23 | noidd | watch yourself, I fell for that trick :-) |
| 13:19:49 | BigBoss | if it wasn't already being used by Crazy Gideon, I'd put it on my web site. I think it's funny as hell |
| 13:20:42 | benmeyer | BigBoss: I see what you mean about limitations with qFtp. It doesn't stream at all, but copies all over |
| 13:22:40 | BigBoss | yes, it pretty much sucks |
| 13:23:37 | JasonNJ | new redhat USB driver rpms up on ZaurusZone. |
| 13:24:08 | noidd | good stuff |
| 13:24:14 | bipolar | JasonNJ: huh? really> |
| 13:24:15 | bipolar | ? |
| 13:24:23 | BigBoss | JasonNJ: did anyone test our apps with the new rom for the 5000 at sharp? |
| 13:24:44 | benmeyer | ftp works :-D |
| 13:24:49 | bipolar | JasonNJ: I had to recompile my entire kernel to get it working. Are these RPM's the entire kernel? |
| 13:24:53 | BigBoss | I got this email last night: |
| 13:24:53 | BigBoss | After installing tkcCalendar 1.5.0-11 to RAM on a fresh install of the 1.38 |
| 13:24:53 | BigBoss | ROM, receive a "Bus Error" when running from the command line. Same |
| 13:24:53 | BigBoss | scenario occurs with tkcAddressBook. |
| 13:25:10 | benmeyer | BigBoss: Sounds like they didn't have the lib |
| 13:26:30 | noidd | blinks... Bus Error? |
| 13:27:31 | BigBoss | out qpe-thekompany lib? |
| 13:29:12 | benmeyer | yah |
| 13:29:26 | benmeyer | because they didn't have the icon in the tab |
| 13:30:57 | JasonNJ | the 5000 rom is nearly identical to the 5500 rom |
| 13:31:03 | JasonNJ | the apps shouldnt act any different |
| 13:32:05 | BigBoss | I hope benmeyer is right, I've never seen that error for leaving out the lib, but you never know |
| 13:32:26 | benmeyer | That is what always happens when I leave out the lib |
| 13:32:31 | benmeyer | what happens when you leave out the lib? |
| 13:34:08 | BigBoss | i never leave out the lib :) |
| 13:40:33 | CmdrChalupa | curious...how much free space is there on a zaurus out of the box ? |
| 13:41:55 | BigBoss | none |
| 13:42:07 | BigBoss | :) |
| 13:43:02 | darienm | CmdrChalupa: if I remember correctly, about 20 Mb. |
| 13:43:14 | darienm | CmdrChalupa: Maybe less, maybe 18 |
| 13:43:15 | Nadav | shakes his head at BigBoss |
| 13:43:16 | Nadav | :D |
| 13:43:34 | BigBoss | depends on the rom installed as well |
| 13:43:49 | BigBoss | I had to reflash mine to get more "file" space recently |
| 13:52:08 | BigBoss | holy crap, I just got an email from an M.D. complaining that he didn't get our discount because he bought our stuff too soon |
| 13:52:23 | BigBoss | a freaking medical doctor is crying because he spent $20 more than he might have |
| 13:52:26 | BigBoss | sheesh |
| 13:52:47 | Nadav | haha |
| 13:53:02 | treke|home | haha |
| 13:53:43 | BigBoss | ok, let me go back through thousands of orders and refund them all some money because they would have gotten the discount had we had it in place when they ordered |
| 13:55:46 | CmdrChalupa | darienm: 20 MB?? isn't it only a 16 MB device? |
| 13:56:09 | Nadav | wtf is an "Autonomous System Number"? |
| 13:57:11 | darienm | CmdrChalupa: Its a 64 MB device split into 32 M for ram and 32 M for storage (the SL-5500) |
| 13:57:21 | darienm | CmdrChalupa: the 5000d is 32 MB, with 16/16 splits |
| 13:58:57 | CmdrChalupa | 64 MB of ram, I know, with a ram filesystem...but what about flash |
| 13:59:11 | CmdrChalupa | doesn't the ramfs get mounted to /mnt/ramfs or something? |
| 13:59:30 | BigBoss | benmeyer: you were right about the lib file, false alarm - whew |
| 14:00:00 | CmdrChalupa | How much space would I have available to play with in flash |
| 14:00:24 | Nadav | What's an ARIN handle look like? Is it just a name? |
| 14:03:19 | kergoth | CmdrChalupa: sharp rom has a read only cramfs flash. |
| 14:03:34 | kergoth | CmdrChalupa: you have zero ability to play there. you can only write to the persistant ramdisk (mounted on /home) |
| 14:03:36 | kergoth | morning all |
| 14:04:22 | CmdrChalupa | kergoth: what if I want to add a driver?? |
| 14:05:36 | kergoth | CmdrChalupa: you install the module into /lib/modules, which is a symlink into the persistant ramdisk.. that directory on the persistant ramdisk has numerous symlinks to all the real modules in the flash in /lib/modules.rom .. so that allows you to write to /lib/modules just fine (though you're really writing to ram) |
| 14:05:54 | kergoth | CmdrChalupa: this symlink 'madness' as we so fondly call it allows you to write to standard paths even though its all the ramdisk |
| 14:06:38 | mak | morning kergoth |
| 14:07:01 | CmdrChalupa | kergoth: so, if I wanted to replace an application, I just remove its symlink? |
| 14:08:01 | CmdrChalupa | thanks |
| 14:08:36 | darienm | CmdrChalupa: And remove the binaries to free the space |
| 14:09:13 | CmdrChalupa | darienm: but to do that, I'd have the device mount the flash rw |
| 14:09:34 | kergoth | CmdrChalupa: yeah exactly, overwrite or remove the symlink |
| 14:09:37 | darienm | CmdrChalupa: the applications (most of them) are in storage space you have rw accesss to |
| 14:09:44 | kergoth | CmdrChalupa: you cant mount the flash readwrite |
| 14:09:49 | darienm | CmdrChalupa: the ones that aren't (like busybox) you just replace the symlinks |
| 14:09:51 | kergoth | CmdrChalupa: they're using a mtd device that doesnt support it. |
| 14:10:14 | kergoth | CmdrChalupa: however, you can install openzaurus, which uses a jffs2, readwrite filesystem on its flash |
| 14:10:20 | darienm | CmdrChalupa: In short, its possible to completely overhaul and customize the Zaurus to do pretty much anything you want. |
| 14:12:04 | CmdrChalupa | so are the applications in RAM or flash? |
| 14:13:03 | kergoth | ones you install, in ram |
| 14:13:06 | kergoth | ones it comes with, in flash |
| 14:15:56 | CmdrChalupa | the flash can't be mounted read-write, but can be written to with a dd? |
| 14:16:01 | CmdrChalupa | that doesn't make sense |
| 14:16:59 | sig | does sharp ever add anything to its accessories list? or do they plan on not making crap for the z? |
| 14:17:07 | angryBSD | arent the applications stored in the flash, and when you install it copies them to the ram? |
| 14:18:12 | kergoth | CmdrChalupa: you can write to it with dd? i'm surprised. |
| 14:18:49 | kergoth | angryBSD: ? when you install a new application it installs to ram. |
| 14:19:34 | CmdrChalupa | kergoth: if you can update the device's flash with something from sharp, you'd have to be able to dd to it |
| 14:19:40 | kergoth | CmdrChalupa: wrong |
| 14:19:47 | kergoth | CmdrChalupa: oh you mean their app? |
| 14:20:06 | kergoth | CmdrChalupa: still, it could access kernel memory directly, aka /dev/*mem, rather than through the mtd device |
| 14:20:20 | kergoth | CmdrChalupa: that would bypass the fact that hte mtd device isnt writable. |
| 14:20:53 | kergoth | CmdrChalupa: now i havent done a strace/ltrace/gdb of their update app, but thats what i assume occurs. |
| 14:21:40 | kergoth | CmdrChalupa: and of course using the CF method to flash would work flawless regardless. |
| 14:23:14 | CmdrChalupa | so you could dd an image off of the device, and muck with the default install that way |
| 14:24:09 | kergoth | yes |
| 14:24:32 | kergoth | many people have done that actually. loopback mount it, alter, and mkfs.cramfs to build the new image |
| 14:25:13 | CmdrChalupa | cool |
| 14:25:15 | CmdrChalupa | thanks |
| 14:25:48 | kergoth | np |
| 14:25:51 | kergoth | hey prpplague |
| 14:26:34 | prpplague | kergoth: morning |
| 14:26:41 | kergoth | prpplague: how goes it |
| 14:26:45 | prpplague | kergoth: back to fun with digi |
| 14:26:50 | kergoth | woo hoo |
| 14:26:52 | kergoth | shoots self |
| 14:26:55 | kergoth | :-) |
| 14:26:58 | prpplague | kergoth: today is import scripts |
| 14:27:13 | kergoth | david woodhouse solved my kernel NULL pointer dereference prooblem |
| 14:27:21 | kergoth | course it didnt solve the underlying problem.. but hey :-) |
| 14:27:29 | BigBoss | doesn't that make you feel kind of inadequate? :) |
| 14:27:50 | prpplague | kergoth: cool, david is awesome dude, met him for the first time at OLS |
| 14:31:05 | kergoth | BigBoss: hehe. I'm dealing in subsystems where my knowledge is rather pathetic. I'm all for getting help :-) |
| 14:31:08 | kergoth | prpplague: oh nie |
| 14:31:09 | kergoth | er |
| 14:31:12 | kergoth | s/ie/ice/ |
| 14:32:54 | warmi | hi |
| 14:33:31 | JasonNJ | kergoth: how goes the kernie |
| 14:34:03 | JasonNJ | prplague: you were at OLS? I was too. |
| 14:34:03 | kergoth | JasonNJ: well, david sent me a patch that fixes the kernel NULL pointer dereference :-) |
| 14:34:53 | kergoth | JasonNJ: but for SOME reason the flash is still read only... its driving me nuts.. so i'm going to start work on things that depend on this, and come back to it with a fresh perspective. (so i'm starting on the keymaps and audio stuff) |
| 14:35:14 | JasonNJ | kergoth: does bzflag have any idea? |
| 14:35:48 | kergoth | JasonNJ: nope. but he hasnt seen the code. I could very well be doing something stupid, but there's nothing obvious.. i've been over the code a hundred times comparing it to what was in 2.4.6.. |
| 14:37:10 | warmi | anyone has URL for that Java contest handy ? |
| 14:37:36 | | contest is probably http://www.zaurus.com/dev/challenge/ |
| 14:37:36 | BigBoss | ibot contest |
| 14:37:36 | ratbastard | warmi: http://www.insignia.com/jpda2002/ |
| 14:38:15 | Sniper | new contest |
| 14:38:32 | warmi | thank you |
| 14:38:36 | | darienm: excuse me? |
| 14:38:36 | darienm | ibot, contest may also be Java contest at http://www.insignia.com/jpda2002/ |
| 14:38:48 | | okay, darienm. |
| 14:38:48 | darienm | ibot, contest is also Java contest at http://www.insignia.com/jpda2002/ |
| 14:38:48 | ratbastard | warmi: np past. |
| 14:38:51 | | i think contest is http://www.zaurus.com/dev/challenge/ or Java contest at http://www.insignia.com/jpda2002/ |
| 14:38:51 | Sniper | ibot contest |
| 14:38:52 | BigBoss | Sniper and Jason: did you recieve our fruit basket yet? wink wink |
| 14:39:29 | warmi | heh |
| 14:39:53 | Sniper | i dont want fruit |
| 14:39:55 | Sniper | send me $$ |
| 14:39:58 | Sniper | :-) |
| 14:40:10 | Sniper | kick back |
| 14:40:20 | hunger | kergoth: This is so strange! |
| 14:40:40 | hunger | kergoth: Suddenly libc6 builds. I wish I knew what I changed... |
| 14:40:57 | kergoth | hunger: lol |
| 14:41:04 | kergoth | hunger: i hate that! |
| 14:41:19 | hunger | kergoth: I think I left out --enable-omnitfp which is supposed to give some speedup. |
| 14:41:34 | hunger | s/omnit/omni/ |
| 14:41:38 | kergoth | ah |
| 14:43:51 | JasonNJ | I will always accept bottles of vintage rum |
| 14:45:23 | tux_mike | mmmm rum |
| 14:45:35 | BigBoss | did I hear something about rum? |
| 14:45:36 | BigBoss | :) |
| 14:45:59 | tux_mike | yo ho ho, and a bottle of rum |
| 14:46:08 | JasonNJ | theres a new rum that came out, Montecristo 12 year old |
| 14:46:16 | BigBoss | oh yummy |
| 14:46:17 | JasonNJ | got a bottle of it recently, its awesome |
| 14:46:19 | BigBoss | send me a bottle :) |
| 14:46:35 | tux_mike | sounds good |
| 14:46:40 | BigBoss | what's with all the rum and vodka companies making Zima knock offs recently? |
| 14:46:42 | JasonNJ | the youngest rum in it is 12 years old |
| 14:46:49 | JasonNJ | it has 23 year old rum in it |
| 14:47:06 | JasonNJ | I refuse to drink zima or zima knockoffs |
| 14:47:14 | JasonNJ | thats a pussy drink |
| 14:47:43 | tux_mike | jason: what like mike's and hard iced teas and stuff? |
| 14:48:03 | JasonNJ | rum on the rocks or whiskey for me.. or brandy |
| 14:48:14 | JasonNJ | or vodka shots |
| 14:48:18 | JasonNJ | but they have to be ice code |
| 14:48:21 | JasonNJ | cold |
| 14:48:46 | JasonNJ | I like this potato vodka thats out, belvedere chopin |
| 14:48:48 | tux_mike | well, when i'm just chilling with friends i'd rather have something that will last me, honestly :) |
| 14:48:53 | JasonNJ | like 30 bucks a bottle |
| 14:49:34 | BigBoss | those hard lemonaids are nice on a hot day |
| 14:49:43 | kergoth | I'll drink just about anything on the rocks or in a shot... but my drink of choice is a long island |
| 14:49:43 | kergoth | heh |
| 14:49:49 | JasonNJ | man I am getting porno mails on my sharp email now |
| 14:49:52 | JasonNJ | this is wacked |
| 14:49:53 | BigBoss | isn't there some vodka that is supposed to be so pure you won't get a hangover |
| 14:49:56 | kergoth | yeah i like the hard lemonades |
| 14:50:08 | kergoth | JasonNJ: spam assassin is your friend |
| 14:50:19 | BigBoss | like Hefeweizen is also good on a hot day |
| 14:50:19 | JasonNJ | spam assasin? |
| 14:50:28 | hunger | JasonNJ: Did the porn-mailers figure out that there's a picture viewer for the Z now? :-) |
| 14:50:30 | JasonNJ | guniess |
| 14:50:40 | kergoth | yeh spamassassin.. google it |
| 14:50:45 | kergoth | works like a charm |
| 14:50:50 | kergoth | heh |
| 14:51:53 | JasonNJ | is it complicated to set up? |
| 14:51:56 | JasonNJ | looks server based |
| 14:52:14 | treke | it is server based |
| 14:52:27 | treke | it was easy on debian :) |
| 14:52:32 | kergoth | exactly |
| 14:52:32 | JasonNJ | shit that means I gotta get our IT department to install it |
| 14:52:34 | kergoth | heh |
| 14:52:39 | hunger | JasonNJ: You can just add it to your .procmailrc. |
| 14:52:39 | kergoth | JasonNJ: exchange? |
| 14:52:43 | tux_mike | good luck |
| 14:52:46 | JasonNJ | ye sexchange |
| 14:52:47 | kergoth | i love procmail |
| 14:52:49 | hunger | JasonNJ: It can be run stand alone iirc. |
| 14:52:55 | tux_mike | *shudder* exchange |
| 14:52:57 | treke | dont know it works with exchange |
| 14:53:06 | JasonNJ | nothing works with exchange |
| 14:53:16 | treke | evolution does :) |
| 14:53:18 | tux_mike | got that right |
| 14:53:19 | treke | well 2000 |
| 14:53:36 | | it has been said that sniper is Sharp marketing drone |
| 14:53:36 | Sniper | ibot sniper |
| 14:53:37 | JasonNJ | my workstation is a 2000... our server is linux |
| 14:53:38 | hunger | treke: Evolution sucks as mich as exchange:-) |
| 14:53:46 | Sniper | i love being a drone |
| 14:53:53 | hunger | treke: So I am not surprised that it is compatible to it. |
| 14:53:54 | | well, jasonnj is "Jason Perlow" <mailto:perlow@hotmail.com> |
| 14:53:54 | JasonNJ | ibot jasonnj |
| 14:54:01 | tux_mike | hunger: why, you try the plugin? |
| 14:54:08 | treke | eew hotmail |
| 14:54:22 | JasonNJ | I've been using it even before ms bought it |
| 14:54:28 | JasonNJ | was one of their first users |
| 14:54:35 | kergoth | hotmail is a spam magnet though |
| 14:54:39 | JasonNJ | yeah |
| 14:54:41 | kergoth | i use mine as my spam collector |
| 14:54:43 | kergoth | heh |
| 14:54:44 | hunger | tux_mike: I used evo for a while (without exchange plugin). It used to be faster then kmail, but now that has caught up, so I am back to it. |
| 14:54:47 | JasonNJ | I have to delete my inbox every day |
| 14:54:47 | treke | tried checking an old account |
| 14:55:00 | treke | couldnt recover my password because my browser was unsupported |
| 14:55:00 | tux_mike | ah. |
| 14:55:04 | hunger | would love to use mutt, but that is just too slow. |
| 14:55:18 | kergoth | hunger: too slow? how so? |
| 14:55:19 | tux_mike | i still prefer evolution. it does everything i want, in the way i want |
| 14:55:34 | JasonNJ | dammit I am never eating cheap indian food for dinner ever again |
| 14:55:38 | JasonNJ | I cant stop farting |
| 14:55:39 | Jerakeen | I use evolution purely because of the search system. oh, and vfolders rock. |
| 14:55:43 | hunger | kergoth: I got a mailbox with 65k mails in it... mutt takes ages to open that. |
| 14:56:03 | kergoth | hunger: ack. last time i checked so did kmail.. they've improved i take it? |
| 14:56:11 | tux_mike | JasonNJ: lol... i'd never eat indian food period |
| 14:56:15 | kergoth | hunger: and you should organize your mail ;-) |
| 14:56:19 | kergoth | indian is good |
| 14:56:24 | hunger | kergoth: It is as fast as evo now. Or not noticably slower. |
| 14:56:37 | hunger | kergoth: Why? It works the way it is. |
| 14:56:37 | kergoth | my best friend is indian, ate some damn good home cooked indian food growing up |
| 14:56:47 | kergoth | hunger: hehe |
| 14:56:50 | treke | kergoth: That may be organized :) |
| 14:56:55 | JasonNJ | tux_mike: I had me a chicken curry last night... oh man it gave me nightmares... I kept waking up, my wife had to sleep in the guest room, it smelled so bad |
| 14:57:12 | darienm | it... or you... ? |
| 14:57:13 | hunger | kergoth: I won't change my way just because some software is not able to cope with it. |
| 14:57:20 | treke | kergoth: If he's archiving say debian devel since its inception |
| 14:57:26 | kergoth | hunger: yes yes i know, i was just giving you shit |
| 14:57:27 | JasonNJ | darienm: same thing |
| 14:57:31 | kergoth | treke: or lkml :-) |
| 14:57:39 | kergoth | treke: for a few weeks :-P |
| 14:57:39 | JasonNJ | chicken curries are evil |
| 14:57:42 | treke | hehe |
| 14:57:51 | hunger | treke: Not debian, the unicode ML:-) |
| 14:57:53 | tux_mike | curry is evil |
| 14:58:05 | JasonNJ | green salad for lunch for me today |
| 14:58:05 | treke | hunger: their all interchangable :) |
| 14:58:10 | hunger | loves curries. |
| 14:58:21 | kergoth | realizes he hasnt had any coffee yet today and panics |
| 14:58:25 | JasonNJ | I prefer thai curry over indian |
| 14:58:32 | hunger | treke: Agreed: The mails tend to repeat after a few weeks anyway. |
| 15:01:31 | [-George-] | Does anyone here know about the touch screen on the Z? |
| 15:01:45 | [-George-] | well, what's the uppermost layer made of? |
| 15:01:55 | [-George-] | (the layer that the stylus comes in contact with) |
| 15:02:33 | tux_mike | time to go to work |
| 15:02:47 | [-George-] | bye |
| 15:03:18 | darienm | eek, lunch. must move mine to the fridge. |
| 15:03:47 | hunger | kergoth: Do you have pthreads on your Z? |
| 15:04:12 | angryBSD | is there a page on java development on and for the Z? |
| 15:05:41 | | rumour has it java is at (Link: http://www.blackdown.org)http://www.blackdown.org or at (Link: http://www.javasoft.com)http://www.javasoft.com or at (Link: http://www.savaje.com)http://www.savaje.com or at (Link: http://www.pocketlinux.com)http://www.pocketlinux.com or at (Link: http://java.sun.com)http://java.sun.com or at http://www.insignia.com |
| 15:05:41 | darienm | ibot java |
| 15:05:50 | darienm | er, hold on |
| 15:06:16 | | rumour has it java faq is at http://adorphuye.com/zaurus/java/faq.jsp |
| 15:06:16 | darienm | ibot java faq |
| 15:06:18 | darienm | that one |
| 15:08:42 | sig | who's bot is that? |
| 15:08:47 | sig | who owns ibot? |
| 15:08:59 | | treke: huh? |
| 15:08:59 | treke | ibot has no owner |
| 15:09:14 | sig | treke I'm looking for a good bot for my channel |
| 15:09:19 | treke | sig: ibot is infobot |
| 15:09:20 | sig | hook a brotha up |
| 15:09:54 | sig | this bot --> http://www.infobot.org/ |
| 15:10:03 | darienm | sig: i've been trying to find the bot's owner for a month |
| 15:10:10 | sig | darienm: lol |
| 15:10:15 | darienm | infobot is cool, easy, perl, etc. |
| 15:10:28 | | treke: sorry... |
| 15:10:28 | treke | ibot installed itself |
| 15:10:35 | sig | hah |
| 15:11:33 | kergoth | what what i recall, Tangent owns it or knows who does.. i'm trying to remember who brought ibot into #opie when it opened |
| 15:11:37 | kergoth | s/what/from what/ |
| 15:11:42 | kergoth | hmm |
| 15:11:53 | kergoth | bipolar: you know who owns ibot? |
| 15:13:47 | | java is at (Link: http://www.blackdown.org)http://www.blackdown.org or at (Link: http://www.javasoft.com)http://www.javasoft.com or at (Link: http://www.savaje.com)http://www.savaje.com or at (Link: http://www.pocketlinux.com)http://www.pocketlinux.com or at (Link: http://java.sun.com)http://java.sun.com or at http://www.insignia.com |
| 15:13:47 | sig | ibot tell sig about java |
| 15:13:50 | sig | ok |
| 15:13:53 | sig | I know this bot |
| 15:14:00 | sig | I think i have an older version somewhere |
| 15:15:57 | VerxWork | hello everyone |
| 15:16:06 | treke | mornin |
| 15:16:23 | VerxWork | got to work a bit late this morning |
| 15:16:26 | | i am "the" bot around |
| 15:16:26 | angryBSD | ibot ibot |
| 15:16:32 | VerxWork | looks like my sister is going to have her baby this morning |
| 15:16:37 | angryBSD | can ibot tell funny jokes? |
| 15:16:38 | VerxWork | doctor is going to induce it |
| 15:17:33 | sjohnson | is away: lunch |
| 15:17:51 | sig | kergoth do you know where the fact pacts go? |
| 15:19:03 | kergoth | sig: nope |
| 15:19:07 | sig | hmm |
| 15:19:14 | kergoth | sugar, make me a long island. |
| 15:19:14 | Sugar | combines vodka, gin, light rum, tequila, juice of half a lemon and cola, pours over ice in a highball glass then adds cola for color and garnish with slice of lemon and serves it to kergoth. |
| 15:19:38 | angryBSD | jesus |
| 15:19:39 | angryBSD | lol |
| 15:19:46 | VerxWork | sugar, make me a coke |
| 15:19:46 | Sugar | grabs a bottle of coke, pours it into a glass, which she hands VerxWork. |
| 15:19:48 | VerxWork | ducks |
| 15:19:48 | VerxWork | :) |
| 15:19:51 | kergoth | hehe |
| 15:20:00 | angryBSD | sugar, make me a mountain dew |
| 15:20:10 | tgall_foo | sugar, make me a white russian |
| 15:20:11 | Sugar | pours coffee liqueur and vodka in an old-fashioned glass over ice cubes and fill with milk and serves it to tgall_foo. |
| 15:20:20 | VerxWork | sugar, make me a martina with a twist, shaken, dry, up |
| 15:20:22 | tgall_foo | now that's service! |
| 15:20:23 | angryBSD | sugar, make me a tea |
| 15:20:23 | Sugar | Long Island Ice Tea, atlantic ice tea, Tropical Iced Tea, Purple Passion Tea or Amaretto Tea? |
| 15:20:33 | angryBSD | sugar, make me a tropical iced tea |
| 15:20:33 | Sugar | combines vodka, rum, gin, triple sec, sour mix, pineapple juice, cranberry juice and grenadine in a mixing glass and pour over ice in collins glass then garnishes with seasonal fruits and serves it to angryBSD. |
| 15:20:35 | kergoth | tgall_foo: hehe |
| 15:20:39 | BigBoss | sugar make me a godfather |
| 15:20:40 | Sugar | pours over ice in an old-fashioned glass and serves it to BigBoss. |
| 15:20:46 | VerxWork | sugar, make me a martini with a twist, shaken, dry, up |
| 15:20:53 | kergoth | pours over ice? pours what over ice? |
| 15:20:54 | kergoth | lol |
| 15:20:59 | angryBSD | lol |
| 15:21:03 | angryBSD | i think a godfather is just ice |
| 15:21:09 | angryBSD | in an old fashioned glass ;) |
| 15:21:12 | BigBoss | it's scotch and amaretto |
| 15:21:18 | BigBoss | pretty easy drink to make |
| 15:21:32 | angryBSD | so is cool-aid |
| 15:21:41 | angryBSD | sugar, make me a kool-aid |
| 15:21:58 | angryBSD | :( |
| 15:22:25 | darienm | sugar, make me a firetruck |
| 15:23:17 | BigBoss | sugar, make me sexy |
| 15:23:19 | Sugar | Yeah right, luser! |
| 15:23:23 | BigBoss | hahaha |
| 15:23:27 | angryBSD | hahaha |
| 15:23:32 | treke | haha |
| 15:23:44 | toolafial | hahahaha |
| 15:24:00 | angryBSD | sugar, make love to me |
| 15:24:01 | Sugar | puts creme de menthe into champagne flute and then fill with champagne and serves it to angryBSD. |
| 15:24:10 | angryBSD | euhhh |
| 15:24:25 | | zaurus is at http://developer.sharpsec.com/index.cfm or the closest thing to sex I can get in the palm of my hand. |
| 15:24:25 | sig | ibot: zaurus |
| 15:24:34 | angryBSD | lol |
| 15:24:35 | | i guess linux is ruling the world of Open Source! http://www.linux.org |
| 15:24:35 | sig | ibot: linux |
| 15:25:50 | | angryBSD: sorry... |
| 15:25:50 | angryBSD | ibot ipks |
| 15:26:11 | | angryBSD: i'm not following you... |
| 15:26:11 | angryBSD | ibot killefiz |
| 15:26:18 | | zsi is http://killefiz.de/zaurus/ |
| 15:26:18 | kergoth | ibot: zsi? |
| 15:26:20 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:26:40 | angryBSD | damnit :) |
| 15:27:03 | | darienm: huh? |
| 15:27:03 | darienm | ibot search zsi for games |
| 15:27:07 | darienm | yeah, right. |
| 15:27:14 | sig | kergoth I got a ton of ibot facts, but i don't know where they go |
| 15:27:15 | sig | hmm |
| 15:27:22 | | 86680 |
| 15:27:22 | sig | ibot: 985*88 |
| 15:27:26 | angryBSD | hahah |
| 15:27:33 | | i heard pi was 3.141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375105820974944592307816406286208998628034825342117067982148086513282306647093844609550582231725359408128481117450284102701938521105559644622948954930381964428810975665933446128475648233786783165271201909145648566923460348610454326648213393607260249141273724587006606315588174881520920962829254091 |
| 15:27:33 | darienm | ibot pi |
| 15:27:39 | | 3.33333333333333 |
| 15:27:39 | angryBSD | ibot 10 / 3 |
| 15:27:40 | giminy | heh |
| 15:27:43 | | 4294967295 |
| 15:27:43 | Jerakeen | ibot (0 or -1) |
| 15:27:46 | giminy | I know pi to a lo of places |
| 15:28:00 | darienm | I memorized it to 130 spots for extra credit in high school |
| 15:28:05 | Jerakeen | bah, 32 bit hardware.. |
| 15:28:28 | darienm | It was easy, just memorized 18 seven-digit phone numbers. |
| 15:28:34 | zecke|away | darienm: hehe |
| 15:28:37 | giminy | yah that's how I do it |
| 15:28:40 | angryBSD | hehe |
| 15:28:40 | zecke|away | darienm: stupid US school system |
| 15:28:46 | darienm | at the time, I ran a BBS and had already memorized hundreds of phone numbers |
| 15:28:50 | giminy | that and patterns |
| 15:29:00 | angryBSD | BBSes were so fun |
| 15:29:04 | giminy | 3+1=4+1=5+4=9 etc |
| 15:29:06 | darienm | 300 baud ruled |
| 15:29:10 | angryBSD | ever play LORD? |
| 15:29:10 | | e is a little more than 2, but less than 3 |
| 15:29:10 | msmax | ibot e |
| 15:29:12 | darienm | 1200 was a good reading speed |
| 15:29:13 | kergoth | zecke|away: yes, the us school system is unfortunate |
| 15:29:15 | kergoth | angryBSD: i miss LORD |
| 15:29:28 | angryBSD | that was a fun game |
| 15:29:33 | kergoth | yeh |
| 15:29:34 | zecke|away | kergoth: I attended a Californian high school in 1999 |
| 15:29:47 | kergoth | what was that chick's name in the bar in LORD again? |
| 15:29:50 | kergoth | zecke|away: ah |
| 15:29:52 | zecke|away | kergoth: you got extra credit for dressing mondays like in the sixties..... |
| 15:29:56 | kergoth | zecke|away: lol |
| 15:30:00 | kergoth | zecke|away: pathetic |
| 15:30:05 | zecke|away | kergoth: but this was only one week |
| 15:30:39 | zecke|away | kergoth: in US histroy we always watched block buster... which was kind of funny.... |
| 15:31:06 | zecke|away | kergoth: oh and this school score 9 from 10 in the Standford9 tests..... |
| 15:31:12 | kergoth | zecke|away: more sad than funny... |
| 15:31:16 | zecke|away | scored even |
| 15:32:14 | zecke|away | kergoth: and Algebra2 was so damn odd. The school book was big but ridicoulus. It showed the calculator ( Ti83plus ) and then told you what you had to type in |
| 15:32:43 | giminy | ew |
| 15:32:58 | treke | sounds about right |
| 15:33:17 | giminy | my wimpy little school taught alge 2 by using a chemistry class |
| 15:33:43 | toolafial | if I didn't have my ti85 I wouldn't have passed my AP calculus test |
| 15:33:53 | treke | zecke|away: and lemme guess. You were required to buy a calculator |
| 15:35:04 | zecke|away | treke: hehe |
| 15:39:41 | prpplague | zecke|away: whats the matter with using a slide rule? |
| 15:39:55 | treke | bah. busy box is not worth the fight :) |
| 15:40:43 | zecke|away | prpplague: ? |
| 15:45:01 | prpplague | zecke|away: with regards to having a calculator for class... |
| 15:45:15 | br33zy | ls wamri |
| 15:45:19 | br33zy | warmi!!! |
| 15:45:20 | br33zy | oooooooooooooo |
| 15:45:23 | br33zy | no pain!! |
| 15:45:25 | br33zy | wahoo |
| 15:46:07 | br33zy | uh oh |
| 15:46:11 | br33zy | warmis not answering |
| 15:46:16 | | br33zy: sorry... |
| 15:46:16 | br33zy | ibot, feel the pain with me! |
| 15:46:20 | br33zy | the paiN!! |
| 15:46:32 | | i am "the" bot around |
| 15:46:32 | br33zy | ibot how old are you? |
| 15:46:36 | br33zy | sure.. |
| 15:46:49 | | i am "the" bot around |
| 15:46:49 | br33zy | ibot how many bytes are you? |
| 15:46:52 | prpplague | treke: what problem are you having with busybox? |
| 15:46:57 | br33zy | thats not a lot of bytes |
| 15:47:01 | | yes, br33zy? |
| 15:47:01 | br33zy | ibot |
| 15:47:04 | | br33zy? |
| 15:47:04 | br33zy | ibot |
| 15:48:31 | br33zy | hehe |
| 15:48:33 | br33zy | i' |
| 15:48:35 | br33zy | poor bot |
| 15:49:38 | sig | who knows how to configure fact packs into ibot? |
| 15:49:41 | | sig: what? |
| 15:49:41 | sig | ibot: factpacks |
| 15:50:07 | br33zy | wahoo |
| 15:50:11 | br33zy | buffer overflow |
| 15:50:13 | br33zy | lol |
| 15:50:16 | sig | hah |
| 15:50:19 | br33zy | hes got no facts |
| 15:50:21 | | yes, br33zy? |
| 15:50:21 | br33zy | ibot |
| 15:50:21 | sig | ibot: c++ |
| 15:50:33 | sig | ibot: c++ |
| 15:50:41 | sig | guess he doesn't know |
| 15:50:45 | | br33zy is nothing but an it-fowling ooze of penguin-molesting eel ooze. |
| 15:50:45 | ljp_ | ibot: insult br33zy |
| 15:50:45 | br33zy | lalalala, i didnt do anything.. |
| 15:50:52 | ljp_ | hehee |
| 15:50:55 | br33zy | i like the penguin part |
| 15:50:59 | | ibort is nothing but an horn-beat mound of gleeking fish heads. |
| 15:50:59 | br33zy | ibot insult ibort |
| 15:51:02 | | ibot is nothing but an off-color gob of rank toxic waste. |
| 15:51:02 | br33zy | ibot insult ibot |
| 15:51:05 | br33zy | retard |
| 15:51:08 | | ibot is nothing but an half-faced stack of weasel-smelling chicken piss. |
| 15:51:08 | br33zy | ibot insult ibot |
| 15:51:11 | | ibot is nothing but an it-fowling half-mouthful of petrified entrails. |
| 15:51:11 | br33zy | ibot insult ibot |
| 15:51:23 | | Myself is nothing but a tickle-brained accumulation of gorbellied pond scum. |
| 15:51:23 | br33zy | ibot insult Myself |
| 15:51:33 | | ibot is nothing but an half-faced coagulation of wretched bug spit. |
| 15:51:33 | br33zy | ibot insult ibot |
| 15:51:41 | | No luck, br33zy |
| 15:51:41 | br33zy | ibot insult ibot |
| 15:51:43 | | the guy who hit my car is nothing but an headless coagulation of dread-bolted toxic waste. |
| 15:51:43 | ljp_ | ibot: insult the guy who hit my car |
| 15:52:07 | | The idiotic bot named ibot in channel zaurus on openprojects irc servers is nothing but a wayward stack of fool-born eel ooze. |
| 15:52:07 | br33zy | ibot insult The idiotic bot named ibot in channel zaurus on openprojects irc servers |
| 15:52:12 | | "you" is nothing but a penguin-molesting gob of unoriginal rat retch. |
| 15:52:12 | darienm | ibot insult "you" |
| 15:52:22 | | \i am is nothing but an headless coagulation of egg-sucking jizzum. |
| 15:52:22 | darienm | ibot insult \i am |
| 15:52:22 | br33zy | doenst work |
| 15:52:35 | | i am\ is nothing but an hacked-up assload of imp-bladdereddle-headed seagull puke. |
| 15:52:35 | br33zy | ibot insult i am\ |
| 15:52:47 | | br33zy? |
| 15:52:47 | br33zy | ibot |
| 15:52:49 | br33zy | 14b15-r0-30-315-z14-y |
| 15:52:49 | darienm | br33zy: theres a way to override the reassignment of me/you/ |
| 15:52:51 | br33zy | m2o3o4o5o6o7o8o9o10o11o12o13o14o |
| 15:52:56 | br33zy | no clue |
| 15:52:58 | br33zy | 14b15-r0-30-315-z14-y |
| 15:53:05 | | br33zy: excuse me? |
| 15:53:05 | br33zy | ibot b-r-3-3-z-y |
| 15:53:09 | br33zy | uh huh |
| 15:53:12 | br33zy | m2o3o4o5o6o7o8o9o10o11o12o13o14o |
| 15:53:13 | br33zy | m2o3o4o5o6o7o8o9o10o11o12o13o14o |
| 15:53:15 | br33zy | 14b15-r0-30-315-z14-y |
| 15:53:20 | br33zy | okie dokie |
| 15:53:21 | br33zy | no more |
| 15:53:22 | br33zy | brb |
| 15:53:28 | Jerakeen | If I had my way, people like you would be shot. |
| 15:53:50 | oGMo | Jerakeen: if I had MY way, ...shooting would be a mercy |
| 15:54:02 | Jerakeen | I'm generous. |
| 15:54:18 | smee|w | hi guys...can anyone point me to what packages I need to run X? |
| 15:54:36 | oGMo | i think i saw X packages on the ZSI, did you check there? |
| 15:54:37 | kergoth | smee|w: http://sf.net/projects/zaurus/ |
| 15:54:43 | smee|w | there seems to be quite a list |
| 15:55:04 | smee|w | ah, cool - thanks kergoth |
| 15:55:20 | kergoth | np |
| 15:56:42 | smee|w | I'm looking at vlc - http://www.videolan.org/vlc/familiar.html - anyone looked into this? |
| 15:57:30 | kergoth | looks like the package is also on ftp://opensource.lineo.com/misc/ |
| 15:57:49 | | rumour has it Owner is treke is a cool guy |
| 15:57:49 | darienm | ibot Owner |
| 15:58:10 | smee|w | as x11zaurus |
| 15:58:19 | smee|w | damn, my battery just went flat :) |
| 15:58:25 | angryBSD | hehe |
| 15:58:44 | angryBSD | having a zaurus, you're gonna have to get used to it ;) |
| 15:58:48 | smee|w | charger at home; ah well probably time to go home anyway |
| 15:59:03 | | darienm: what? |
| 15:59:03 | darienm | ibot UserEntry |
| 15:59:14 | smee|w | yeah - I'm used to the battery, just not used to remembering the charger ;) |
| 15:59:32 | angryBSD | ehe |
| 16:02:10 | smee|w | ah cool - I was getting mixed up between the Z and familiar linux packages...task-x and suchlike |
| 16:04:11 | smee|w | then there's the stuff that runs on the fb with keypebble... it was all too much for me |
| 16:04:37 | kergoth | ? |
| 16:04:49 | kergoth | keypebble is just a vnc client |
| 16:04:51 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:04:53 | prpplague | smee|w: i'm working on the x stuff |
| 16:05:12 | kergoth | prpplague: hows that working, btw? |
| 16:05:20 | kergoth | prpplague: got the ztsd running and everything? |
| 16:05:32 | smee|w | kergoth: yeah, but I think there's an xserver that runs on the z framebuffer that you can view using that vnc client |
| 16:05:34 | smee|w | iirc |
| 16:05:54 | kergoth | smee|w: yeah, its just Xvnc really |
| 16:06:13 | kergoth | smee|w: nothing complex about it, same as using Xvnc on any other box |
| 16:06:56 | smee|w | aha, so I'd need to install the X libs too |
| 16:07:14 | smee|w | I should go home and charge my zaurus rather than doing all this second guessing :) |
| 16:07:33 | prpplague | kergoth: ya i made some progrss last night, but didn't load anything |
| 16:07:39 | kergoth | prpplague: ah |
| 16:07:42 | prpplague | kergoth: i'll be doing some testing tonight |
| 16:07:49 | kergoth | prpplague: cool, let me know how it goes |
| 16:07:52 | smee|w | prpplague: what're you working on exactly? |
| 16:08:06 | prpplague | smee|w: word of caution, the x stuff currently will not work on the OZ package |
| 16:08:17 | prpplague | smee|w: you'll need to use the sharp stuff for now |
| 16:08:25 | smee|w | ah |
| 16:08:30 | smee|w | screeches to halt |
| 16:08:30 | prpplague | smee|w: i'm adding a x build to the buildroot for OZ |
| 16:08:31 | kergoth | prpplague: I'd like to distribute initrd's for OZ with opie, X, & picogui, optimally. to give people options out of the obx |
| 16:08:37 | smee|w | prpplague: cool |
| 16:08:39 | kergoth | s/obx/box/ |
| 16:09:16 | prpplague | i should have x and matchbox added in by next week assuming that worldcom doesn't turn off a bunch of our customer circuits |
| 16:09:22 | smee|w | hehe |
| 16:10:20 | smee|w | also I was idly looking for the software manager source in opie cvs and couldnt find it... did I just miss it or is it elsewhere? |
| 16:10:33 | kergoth | smee|w: you missed it |
| 16:10:40 | smee|w | ah, k |
| 16:10:57 | kergoth | smee|w: core/apps/oipkg iirc |
| 16:12:20 | smee|w | aha! |
| 16:12:30 | smee|w | that's a promising tool |
| 16:12:56 | kergoth | needs lots of bug fixes though |
| 16:12:59 | kergoth | :-) |
| 16:13:19 | treke | hehe |
| 16:13:21 | smee|w | yeah :) hence the idle browsing ... is there a list? |
| 16:13:31 | treke | has yet to see it work :) |
| 16:14:33 | smee|w | works for me most of time |
| 16:14:36 | | noidd: wish i knew |
| 16:14:36 | noidd | ibot, warwalking? |
| 16:14:40 | noidd | damnit |
| 16:14:58 | noidd | anyone remember where that article about that guy who warwalked through manhatten was? |
| 16:15:08 | noidd | 70 odd networks, 53 of them open etc |
| 16:15:17 | smee|w | noidd: did you see this: http://www.blackbeltjones.com/warchalking/community/mattsephton/oxford_street_chalk.jpg |
| 16:16:01 | noidd | smee|w: I've seen those in real life :-) |
| 16:16:10 | darienm | what is it? |
| 16:16:34 | noidd | its a chalk symbol on the ground |
| 16:16:38 | smee|w | have you used wlan at one of those i-plus points, noidd? |
| 16:17:00 | noidd | used to mark the location of an open wlan |
| 16:17:11 | noidd | smee|w: nope, no wlan here :-( |
| 16:17:18 | Kopsis | noidd: http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/invboard/index.php?act=ST&f=5&t=2128&s=96f7db630e6cb9f0e4f855423ddf6377 |
| 16:17:47 | noidd | Kopsis: Thanks a LOT, you saved my life :-) |
| 16:17:58 | smee|w | aha - might go to my nearest one on the way home |
| 16:18:05 | smee|w | oh, no I wont...flat battery |
| 16:22:04 | noidd | I wonder what the legal issues of hopping on someone elses wlan is |
| 16:22:20 | noidd | legal issues of splicing into someones cables is a tad more obvious :-) |
| 16:27:55 | treke | ok. I will _not_ screw up this ipaq flash :) |
| 16:28:40 | sig | killefiz_ |
| 16:28:45 | darienm | yeah, you probably will |
| 16:28:47 | sig | are you the owner of ibot? |
| 16:28:52 | darienm | no |
| 16:28:57 | treke | darienm: I hope not. I'm on my fifth for the morning :) |
| 16:29:05 | darienm | the bot runs on a few dozen channels on OPN |
| 16:29:14 | sig | darienm: so |
| 16:29:27 | | sig: excuse me? |
| 16:29:27 | sig | ibot does have 'a' owner |
| 16:29:28 | darienm | and I think I've asked with killefiz in the room before |
| 16:29:39 | anil | hi, i bought a Zaurus SL5500 yesterday, the pack says it has 64MB RAM, when i try `cat /proc/meminfo` i dont see 64 MB |
| 16:29:57 | treke | anil: How much do you see? |
| 16:29:59 | darienm | anil: its split 32 MB ram, 32 MB storage |
| 16:30:01 | CmdrChalupa | treke: did you turn of the lcd before flashing? |
| 16:30:02 | anil | i see only 32MB, |
| 16:30:08 | treke | CmdrChalupa: No |
| 16:30:16 | kergoth | anil: 32mb of your ram is a persistant ramdisk. |
| 16:30:37 | BigBoss | anil: check the system info |
| 16:30:43 | angryBSD | couldn't you get someone in a lot of trouble with your zaurus + 80211b cf + their connection? ;) |
| 16:30:51 | anil | system info says the same thing |
| 16:31:03 | oGMo | angryBSD: a lot of trouble how? ;) |
| 16:31:15 | JasonNJ | anil: its possible to alter that ramdisk/working set allocation, but only by recompiling the kernel |
| 16:31:19 | treke | anil: Thats right then, you'd have less than 32MB if it was an sl5000 |
| 16:31:22 | CmdrChalupa | treke: well, you won't need to know this, since you won't screw up this flashing, but flash screwuping is tremendously reduced if you do an lcdoff command before loading the flash....ipaq, right? |
| 16:31:36 | angryBSD | im sure you can think of something that you could do over someone elses connection that can get some people pissed off :) |
| 16:31:59 | treke | CmdrChalupa: Right, but different issue. It's not the flasshing process per se, it's my dicking with it just after set up :) |
| 16:32:03 | anil | treke: i hv a 5500 - it is supposed ot have 16MB of ROM & 64 MB RAM, |
| 16:32:23 | kergoth | anil: you're not listening. |
| 16:32:25 | treke | anil: Thats right 32MB ram for user apps. 32MB for storage |
| 16:32:28 | oGMo | angryBSD: well, it'd be fairly easy to piss off the people whose connection you're... using... and maybe you could use their network to spam lots of people or organize a DoS, but... |
| 16:32:33 | kergoth | anil: 32mb of that 64 is a RAMDISK. |
| 16:32:47 | darienm | anil: its a bit misleading, but you'll still find it a great device |
| 16:33:15 | anil | kergoth: i get you now |
| 16:33:27 | oGMo | however it'd be pretty silly in my opinion. better not to be seen, and sneak onto the network when you need to ;) wasting resources is silly |
| 16:34:15 | treke | CmdrChalupa: First time I accidently killed ipkg right after it removed libc and before it replaced it. Second and third time busy box install toasted it. Fourth time I screwed up an update again :) |
| 16:34:45 | kergoth | treke: I think today's your monday |
| 16:34:51 | treke | kergoth: It is |
| 16:35:33 | kergoth | treke: that sucks.. see normally on mondays, you know in advance not to do things like flash your ipaq... but when it sneaks up on you on another day.. you're in trouble |
| 16:35:35 | kergoth | treke: heheh |
| 16:35:36 | anil | kergoth: is there any way i can see utilisation on both the "partitions" |
| 16:35:48 | kergoth | anil: ramdisk is storage, not ram |
| 16:35:52 | treke | kergoth: Well I started the process last night :) |
| 16:35:54 | kergoth | anil: dont look in /proc/meminfo |
| 16:35:57 | kergoth | anil: try 'df' |
| 16:36:03 | anil | kergoth: tried that |
| 16:36:04 | kergoth | treke: ah, theres the problem. hehe |
| 16:36:07 | treke | kergoth: It all resulted from me trying to install busybox last night :) |
| 16:36:10 | kergoth | anil: well thats all you need to do. |
| 16:36:18 | kergoth | anil: this really isnt that difficult to understand |
| 16:36:22 | kergoth | anil: try running 'mount' |
| 16:36:28 | kergoth | anil: the /home filesystem is your ramdisk |
| 16:36:40 | VerxWork | kergoth/treke: what broke syncing on opie? |
| 16:36:40 | darienm | anil: Download a modified sysinfo as mentioned on http://zaurus.kruss.com/software.php |
| 16:36:42 | kergoth | treke: you should know better, it was monday :-) |
| 16:36:45 | treke | hehe |
| 16:36:48 | kergoth | VerxWork: security patch |
| 16:36:50 | VerxWork | I got back from a week vacation, updated opie, and it died |
| 16:37:03 | kergoth | VerxWork: now a password is required on 4242 and 4243 |
| 16:37:03 | VerxWork | kergoth: So it is more secure by not communicating to the outside world? |
| 16:37:04 | VerxWork | :) |
| 16:37:08 | darienm | anil: Or just use the default SysInfo in your applications tab |
| 16:37:11 | kergoth | VerxWork: no, the sync apps havent caught up. |
| 16:37:13 | VerxWork | kergoth: How do I disable that? |
| 16:37:26 | kergoth | VerxWork: apply a patch zecke posted to the list to the launcher and build a new opie-base package. |
| 16:37:31 | kergoth | er |
| 16:37:34 | VerxWork | kergoth: Because I sync with Intellisync |
| 16:37:34 | treke | darienm: Tangent runs ibot |
| 16:37:36 | kergoth | VerxWork: i mean opie-taskbar |
| 16:37:39 | NetAmp | Dunno if this is old news for you ppl; a HD with 2 heads for security purposes: http://www.scarabs.com/2HDDeng/PAGE001.HTM |
| 16:37:39 | treke | darienm: #handhelds.org |
| 16:37:54 | kergoth | VerxWork: yeah, i know.. you were the one who told me about systeminfo/linkver :-) |
| 16:37:55 | VerxWork | NetAmp: 2 heads? |
| 16:38:06 | NetAmp | VerxHome: one read-only and one read/write |
| 16:38:07 | VerxWork | kergoth: Well, that has been weeks ago |
| 16:38:17 | VerxWork | I thought you might have forgotten. :) |
| 16:38:26 | angryBSD | NetAmp: looks cool |
| 16:38:33 | kergoth | VerxWork: i remember the weirdest things, and forget the important ones. :-) |
| 16:38:45 | NetAmp | angryBSD: yeah it's expensive though... but cool for webservers :) |
| 16:38:46 | VerxWork | ahhh |
| 16:38:48 | VerxWork | same memory as me |
| 16:38:53 | VerxWork | NetAmp: Interesting |
| 16:38:54 | kergoth | hehe |
| 16:40:03 | NetAmp | seems like a pretty good solution, hardware security :) |
| 16:40:06 | whardier | bah |
| 16:40:11 | VerxWork | NetAmp: Hell yeah |
| 16:40:16 | VerxWork | likes the idea a LOT |
| 16:40:25 | NetAmp | so no-one can deface yer web site anymore :P :P |
| 16:40:26 | NetAmp | ;-) |
| 16:40:27 | kergoth | whardier: re |
| 16:40:30 | angryBSD | hopes it catches on |
| 16:40:30 | VerxWork | same concept as a RO cd to boot from |
| 16:40:32 | NetAmp | hiya whardier |
| 16:40:36 | VerxWork | but much easier to maintain methinks |
| 16:41:01 | anil | thanks everybody |
| 16:41:15 | kergoth | hmm |
| 16:41:17 | angryBSD | wLAN card = worth it>/ |
| 16:41:18 | angryBSD | ? |
| 16:41:18 | kergoth | growls |
| 16:41:43 | NetAmp | heh |
| 16:42:00 | kergoth | the flash is still fucking read only |
| 16:42:03 | kergoth | what am i missing |
| 16:42:07 | kergoth | ponders |
| 16:42:08 | NetAmp | :S |
| 16:42:21 | VerxWork | NetAmp: However, if their skill in manufacturing the hard disk is equivalent to their grasp of the english language, it won't go far |
| 16:42:22 | VerxWork | :) |
| 16:43:04 | NetAmp | VerxHome: hah ;) |
| 16:43:18 | anil | before i broke my ipaq, i used to like Avantgo, is there an equivalent of that in ZaurusLand |
| 16:43:45 | darienm | anil: WWWOFFLE is a caching proxy server for Zaurus |
| 16:43:55 | | somebody said wwwoffle was available at http://www.gedanken.demon.co.uk/wwwoffle/ or available in ipk at http://hrabbey.webhop.net/Projects/Deb2Ipks/ |
| 16:43:55 | darienm | ibot wwwoffle |
| 16:44:03 | darienm | Use the second link. |
| 16:44:03 | NetAmp | A friend of my dad's was just here, I showed him the Z and he was really surprised by that little keyboard suddenly appearing :D hehe |
| 16:44:35 | Rince | has huge Problems... Programs just don't want to start and so on.. |
| 16:44:38 | whardier | augh |
| 16:44:45 | whardier | I had a wonderfull birthday style night |
| 16:44:53 | NetAmp | whardier: sweet |
| 16:44:56 | whardier | except that some random chick bit me |
| 16:45:05 | NetAmp | err.. auch ;) |
| 16:45:05 | whardier | I later found out her parents were hunting her to send her to the asylum |
| 16:45:07 | ljp_ | bit? |
| 16:45:08 | kergoth | lol |
| 16:45:12 | whardier | yeah |
| 16:45:20 | whardier | I have the worlds largest bite mark on my neck right now |
| 16:45:22 | NetAmp | hah |
| 16:45:23 | ljp_ | hope she doesnt have rabies |
| 16:45:28 | whardier | she said "Happy Birthday" "hug" "Munch!" |
| 16:45:32 | kergoth | lol |
| 16:45:36 | treke | hopes she has a sister |
| 16:45:39 | whardier | haha |
| 16:45:40 | kergoth | hehe |
| 16:45:41 | whardier | well |
| 16:45:41 | NetAmp | hah! |
| 16:45:44 | whardier | she is a friend of a friend |
| 16:45:47 | whardier | apparently |
| 16:46:00 | whardier | he intrudoced her as "This is my thursday girlfriend" |
| 16:46:04 | whardier | I asked how her fridays were |
| 16:46:08 | kergoth | hah |
| 16:46:15 | NetAmp | :D |
| 16:46:18 | kergoth | re scanline |
| 16:46:24 | whardier | anyways.. long story short.. my neck hurts cause some bitch bit it |
| 16:46:25 | scanline | hi kergoth |
| 16:46:30 | whardier | oh |
| 16:46:31 | whardier | hi scanline |
| 16:46:35 | NetAmp | whardier: maybe it was full moon? ;) |
| 16:46:36 | kergoth | whardier: odd. how was the rest of the night? |
| 16:46:38 | whardier | it was! |
| 16:46:40 | scanline | hi whardier |
| 16:46:47 | whardier | kergoth: it was terribly odd |
| 16:46:49 | VerxWork | kergoth: Is there anywhere I can grab zecke's binary? |
| 16:46:51 | NetAmp | whardier: scary |
| 16:46:54 | VerxWork | Or do I need to compile it myself? |
| 16:47:00 | whardier | I passed out under a table and ended up with a hickey on one arm as well |
| 16:47:05 | whardier | I dunno who from |
| 16:47:10 | kergoth | VerxWork: you'd have to apply it. he just provided a patch. |
| 16:47:19 | kergoth | whardier: sounds like a good night then |
| 16:47:21 | kergoth | hehh |
| 16:47:22 | ljp_ | whardier: probably from the dog |
| 16:47:23 | VerxWork | kergoth: What I would personally like is a setting in the security application where I can enable/disable the ports entirely |
| 16:47:24 | NetAmp | ;-) |
| 16:47:26 | whardier | probably |
| 16:47:27 | kergoth | ljp_: hah |
| 16:47:29 | whardier | since dogs can suck |
| 16:47:33 | NetAmp | or kitty |
| 16:47:34 | VerxWork | but I made something that does that with opie-sh |
| 16:47:34 | VerxWork | :) |
| 16:47:40 | kergoth | VerxWork: well, you can. just set ip/mask to none :-) |
| 16:47:44 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:47:49 | VerxWork | kergoth: heh, true |
| 16:47:54 | VerxWork | hadn't quite thought about that |
| 16:48:02 | whardier | then I had this really fucked up dream about a pizza hut that served chicken and tacos |
| 16:48:05 | whardier | then I was scared |
| 16:48:06 | kergoth | lol |
| 16:48:10 | kergoth | whardier: i want one |
| 16:48:15 | NetAmp | haha |
| 16:48:18 | whardier | dude its coming around the corner |
| 16:48:22 | whardier | Pizza Bell |
| 16:48:25 | whardier | or something like that |
| 16:48:25 | ljp_ | was that compatibility patch ever applied? |
| 16:48:26 | kergoth | hehe |
| 16:48:32 | whardier | Taco Bell and Pizza Hut are merging |
| 16:48:35 | NetAmp | :D |
| 16:48:46 | treke | whardier: Isnt that old news? |
| 16:48:49 | VerxWork | we have some combined stores here already |
| 16:48:51 | kergoth | ljp_: i dont think it was applied to cvs. no one replied to your message about that |
| 16:48:53 | ljp_ | whardier: they have beenowned by the same co for years |
| 16:48:57 | whardier | yeah |
| 16:48:58 | whardier | mormons |
| 16:49:01 | VerxWork | kentucky fried chicken/pizza hut/taco bell |
| 16:49:03 | kergoth | I like having kfc and pizza hut in the same building |
| 16:49:06 | whardier | no no.. I am talking about the complete change name |
| 16:49:07 | kergoth | i dont give a shit about taco bell |
| 16:49:25 | whardier | oww |
| 16:49:27 | whardier | my body hurts |
| 16:49:36 | whardier | I should go check out my bite in the mirror to see if it got bigger |
| 16:49:42 | kergoth | think its growing? |
| 16:49:48 | sjohnson | is back (gone 01:32:15) |
| 16:49:57 | treke | l |
| 16:50:04 | kergoth | whardier: if you suddenly grave blood, i'll be worried |
| 16:50:10 | whardier | hah |
| 16:50:11 | kergoth | crave |
| 16:50:12 | whardier | crave even |
| 16:50:14 | whardier | haha |
| 16:50:14 | whardier | well |
| 16:50:15 | kergoth | yeah that |
| 16:50:16 | kergoth | hehe |
| 16:50:17 | whardier | I got bit |
| 16:50:21 | treke | ljp_: zecke has a patch, but he wasnt going to put it in cvs |
| 16:50:26 | whardier | then had to go to a public resteraunt with my frieds |
| 16:50:28 | whardier | friends |
| 16:50:35 | whardier | and everybody was a little confused |
| 16:50:40 | kergoth | whardier: hah.. |
| 16:50:43 | ljp_ | treke: well, I am. ;) |
| 16:50:45 | whardier | "I thought you just stepped out for a smoke.. who bit you?" |
| 16:51:30 | kergoth | haha |
| 16:51:34 | JasonNJ | anyone want to see a lame ass website I just did for a friend's restaurant? |
| 16:51:35 | kergoth | what wonderful dinner conversation |
| 16:51:50 | whardier | kergoth: I was not with very mature company to begin with |
| 16:51:54 | whardier | they played the penis game |
| 16:51:57 | JasonNJ | saigonrepublic.com |
| 16:52:00 | whardier | where one person says penis |
| 16:52:08 | whardier | then it progressively gets louder inbetween them |
| 16:52:26 | whardier | I told them.. hey girls.. sushi bar.. people don't need to think about penis right now. |
| 16:52:42 | whardier | JasonNJ sounds like a front |
| 16:52:54 | zecke|away | ljp_: I'm going to revert it then ;) |
| 16:52:59 | JasonNJ | whardier: I'll do anything for free spring rolls |
| 16:53:07 | kergoth | whardier: so she at least give you some, or just bite you and leave you? :-P |
| 16:53:08 | ljp_ | and I'll revert it back |
| 16:53:16 | whardier | JasonNJ :) |
| 16:53:33 | whardier | kergoth: well next time I see her.. I am gonna bite the shit out of her |
| 16:53:34 | zecke|away | ljp_: I'll change the mode of the file on fs level then |
| 16:53:43 | whardier | then we will negotiate the after effects |
| 16:53:47 | kergoth | whardier: heheh |
| 16:53:50 | JasonNJ | yes, in the back room of the restaurant I sell stolen zaurii for 70 bucks on ebay |
| 16:54:10 | zecke|away | ljp_: you should respect if a developer thinks it doesn't belong into the codebase |
| 16:54:17 | JasonNJ | that along with my drug ring and white slavery biz |
| 16:54:21 | whardier | oww |
| 16:54:29 | whardier | I played frisbee golf yesterday as well |
| 16:54:34 | NetAmp | JasonNJ: hah! ;) |
| 16:54:35 | whardier | fun fun fun thing |
| 16:54:52 | whardier | I fear going outside right now |
| 16:55:00 | whardier | because of the whole.. sunlight death thing |
| 16:55:09 | ljp_ | zecke: and I'll just change it back. both kergoth and I want that patch to be applied |
| 16:55:10 | whardier | and people would notice this huge bite on me |
| 16:55:13 | NetAmp | JasonNJ: hm simple but clear site, maybe you could add some vietnamese markings :) |
| 16:55:22 | NetAmp | I gotta go eat dinner... |
| 16:55:32 | whardier | dude I want food now |
| 16:55:34 | whardier | thanks JasonNJ |
| 16:55:44 | JasonNJ | net: I went for the red and black look, since thats what the restaurant looks like inside |
| 16:55:49 | whardier | I don't have a car and I am lots of miles away from the closest good chinese place |
| 16:56:00 | darienm | lunchtime in Chicago.. |
| 16:56:07 | JasonNJ | I need to tweak it a bit more |
| 16:56:14 | ljp_ | zecke: why dont you want people to be able to sync? |
| 16:56:40 | zecke|away | ljp_: Why did I provide this patch then? |
| 16:56:49 | JasonNJ | I need to fill the gallery with more food pics |
| 16:56:58 | JasonNJ | gotta go there a few more times to get a better sample of the menu |
| 16:57:12 | kergoth | zecke|away: end users want sync. end users generally arent developers, and generally want to install an ipk. |
| 16:57:13 | zecke|away | ljp_: compromising security in a default setup ( our feed ) is nothing I want to support |
| 16:57:23 | JasonNJ | the nikon I just bought takes awesome pics |
| 16:57:25 | kergoth | zecke|away: it makes no sense to provide a patch for a group of people for whom its useless. |
| 16:57:43 | zecke|away | kergoth: the problem is Groucho is on holidays otherwise he would have made an alternative package |
| 16:57:46 | crackotter | Any one have a some good sites for cases for the Zaurus? |
| 16:58:46 | whardier | JasonNJ the food needs to be lower res buddy |
| 16:58:46 | whardier | hehe |
| 16:58:48 | sjohnson | crackotter: The only case I've found the a Z is a noname case I found at Office Depot. |
| 16:59:00 | noidd | JasonNJ: drool |
| 16:59:10 | kergoth | crackotter: theres a good one people keep recommending, but i forget the url :-) |
| 16:59:16 | | cases are at http://www.geocities.com/diycfcase/index.htm, http://www.the-gadgeteer.com/silverslider3-review.html, http://www.the-gadgeteer.com/whitney-ipaq-sleeve-modifications-review.html |
| 16:59:16 | darienm | ibot cases |
| 16:59:22 | treke | hehe |
| 16:59:24 | darienm | hrm. |
| 16:59:27 | kergoth | hehe |
| 16:59:28 | | darienm: huh? |
| 16:59:28 | darienm | ibot pielforma |
| 16:59:30 | | kergoth: i haven't a clue |
| 16:59:30 | kergoth | ibot: zaurus case? |
| 16:59:34 | kergoth | smacks ibot |
| 16:59:40 | | darienm: huh? |
| 16:59:40 | darienm | ibot peilforma |
| 16:59:54 | treke | http://www.pielframa.com/ |
| 16:59:55 | sjohnson | darienm: A you talking about the Extreme Limit case? |
| 17:00:18 | treke | http://www.pielframa.com/Sharp.Zaurus.htm |
| 17:00:19 | darienm | I'm not talking about anything at the moment, was just trying to spell pielframa |
| 17:00:24 | kergoth | yeah thats the one |
| 17:00:32 | darienm | Whats the Extreme Limit case? |
| 17:00:35 | kergoth | crackotter, sjohnson: the pielframa case is one the people are recommending |
| 17:00:56 | noidd | Friend of mine has one of those cases - he likes it |
| 17:01:01 | JasonNJ | I want the case made out of alligator |
| 17:01:16 | noidd | personally I prefer the Zaurus naked that in a lether gimp costume |
| 17:01:59 | crackotter | Thanx kergoth .. everyone in my office has gotten a zaurus, and we all need cases :) |
| 17:02:03 | darienm | noidd: I'm with you, I don't drop things. |
| 17:02:21 | darienm | crackotter: how many Z's were purchased? |
| 17:02:50 | noidd | I do drop things, my hands just let go of things for no reason at random times. I just alter my bahaviour such that I dont hold things where if I drop them they dont fall too far |
| 17:03:03 | noidd | ie, I will place Z in pocket as opposed to just holding it. |
| 17:03:15 | noidd | will use Z above a table |
| 17:03:24 | JasonNJ | crackotter: everyone in your office has a Z? |
| 17:03:43 | crackotter | Ummm I bought a Zaurus 5000D .. another coworker got one.. then somebody got the 5500 .. so I got one and another coworker got one |
| 17:03:45 | JasonNJ | the biggest office with Z's that I know of is at sun |
| 17:03:58 | treke | how many there? |
| 17:03:58 | jmhodges | damn.. rich geeks everywhere buying leather Z cases |
| 17:04:01 | JasonNJ | theres a division there that has 70 inhouse |
| 17:04:08 | BigBoss | l |
| 17:04:20 | crackotter | We are just a NOC .. but all the tech guys got one.. we have about 5 so far and another 10 people want one |
| 17:04:33 | whardier | bah |
| 17:04:34 | JasonNJ | crackotter: what do you guys do with them? |
| 17:04:36 | noidd | JasonNJ: Wow, thats half the international Z population right there :-) |
| 17:05:18 | JasonNJ | the US Navy is going to top sun by a significant margin though |
| 17:05:21 | JasonNJ | if all goes well |
| 17:05:34 | JasonNJ | 60,000 |
| 17:05:50 | treke | that would be um. good |
| 17:06:03 | noidd | JasonNJ: I know that the MOD (Ministry of Defence) had Zaurus as a bid against Ipaq |
| 17:06:23 | noidd | JasonNJ: I had a long chat to the guy who was negotiating it for the Z... sadly, the ipaq won. :-( |
| 17:06:25 | JasonNJ | noidd: in Germany? |
| 17:06:29 | crackotter | <shrug> just a extra SSH terminal to lug around with us.. |
| 17:06:31 | noidd | JasonNJ: no, UK |
| 17:06:38 | Neo|Work | JasonNJ: yay! 60000 customers of Strategic Assault! ;-) |
| 17:06:40 | BigBoss | now if only the Navy could explain to me why they want to use the Zaurus as an FTP server on submarines, I'd be happy |
| 17:06:50 | crackotter | plus a handy sniffer |
| 17:06:52 | Rince | ftp server? nice :-) |
| 17:06:54 | JasonNJ | BigBoss: you dont wanna know |
| 17:07:12 | JasonNJ | I'm guesssing the nuclear launch codes |
| 17:07:26 | JasonNJ | for the fire control system |
| 17:07:31 | noidd | JasonNJ: You think you'll fix the 4242 ftp bug first :-) |
| 17:07:38 | noidd | *PLEASE* |
| 17:07:51 | JasonNJ | noidd: yes, in about a month it will all be fixed |
| 17:08:02 | JasonNJ | that and the SD fix |
| 17:08:18 | JasonNJ | socket / wireless stuff to follow after that |
| 17:08:46 | noidd | JasonNJ: is is *definatly* going to happen (the sd card thing) |
| 17:09:01 | noidd | its going to cost me over 60$ to send this damn sd card back |
| 17:09:03 | ljp_ | JasonNJ: do you know when a new qtopiadesktop will be out to work with the security measures? |
| 17:09:10 | noidd | in postage, re-stocking fees etc |
| 17:09:49 | noidd | JasonNJ: If you want any beta-testers of the new binary sd module.... you know where I am. |
| 17:10:13 | noidd | :-) |
| 17:10:32 | crackotter | Man those cases suck :) I've had leather jackets with less cow hide ;-) |
| 17:12:14 | noidd | JasonNJ: the bug with the compaq *seems* to be only in the writing.. do you know if that is the case/ |
| 17:12:15 | noidd | ? |
| 17:12:40 | noidd | ie, I could use it as ROM if I knew that for relative certainty. |
| 17:12:48 | noidd | mount it read only. |
| 17:14:02 | darienm | WOOT !!!! ibot is gonna learn to search ZSI !!!! |
| 17:14:17 | darienm | I got the go-ahead to write the module and it will be implemented |
| 17:14:17 | noidd | darienm: cool. :-) |
| 17:14:21 | treke | cool |
| 17:14:30 | noidd | why did you need the go ahead? |
| 17:14:32 | darienm | any other requests for ibot ?? |
| 17:14:47 | darienm | noidd: because someone has to LOAD the module into the program where its running |
| 17:15:03 | noidd | all you had to do was write it and send it to kevin lenzo |
| 17:15:17 | darienm | noidd: uh, no. Ibot can be run locally by anyone. |
| 17:15:34 | darienm | noidd: The one being run here is maintained by Tangent and BZflag |
| 17:16:16 | noidd | hmmm |
| 17:16:19 | | hmmm... trojan is a method of uploading new runnable code into my friendly infobot. See http://www.infobot.org/ for details (Maintainer didn't read the README) |
| 17:16:19 | noidd | ibot, trojan? |
| 17:17:02 | noidd | shrugs |
| 17:17:47 | darienm | ?????? |
| 17:18:42 | darienm | noidd: There's no reference to trojan on the site |
| 17:18:47 | noidd | I know :-) |
| 17:18:57 | noidd | I stuffed ibot with a factiod :-) |
| 17:19:08 | noidd | /msg ibot trojan is ...... |
| 17:19:10 | noidd | :-) |
| 17:19:16 | noidd | slaps himself |
| 17:19:36 | darienm | * sigh * |
| 17:19:47 | darienm | I'm trying to help the Z community and all I get is grief. |
| 17:20:07 | noidd | come on, thats not grief - thats humour |
| 17:20:10 | noidd | :-) |
| 17:20:14 | ljp_ | join the club ;) |
| 17:20:37 | | noidd is nothing but a mangled quart of uninspiring bug spit. |
| 17:20:37 | darienm | ibot insult noidd |
| 17:20:44 | darienm | Now THAT's humor. |
| 17:20:45 | noidd | passes darienm a drink, relax some :-) chill, and write some code :-) |
| 17:20:48 | noidd | hehe |
| 17:21:00 | darienm | What kind of drink goes with starberry shortcake? |
| 17:21:08 | darienm | a sweet martini? |
| 17:21:13 | noidd | no, MSO |
| 17:21:20 | noidd | MSO goes with everything |
| 17:21:51 | darienm | sugar, make me a MSO |
| 17:22:06 | jmhodges | ouch |
| 17:22:08 | darienm | Seems sugar doesn't know that one |
| 17:22:34 | darienm | sugar, make me a martini |
| 17:22:35 | Sugar | You have to tell me which one. I can make 11 different, for instance Rum Martini, Paisley Martini, Martini (Medium), Fino Martini, Martini (Extra Dry 8/1) and French Martini. |
| 17:22:46 | darienm | sugar, make me a rum martini |
| 17:22:46 | Sugar | pours light rum and dry vermouth over ice in a cocktail glass with a twist of lemon and serves it to darienm. |
| 17:22:50 | whardier | bah |
| 17:22:53 | darienm | Mmmmmmmm |
| 17:22:53 | noidd | sugar, make me a multiple screaming orgasm |
| 17:23:07 | darienm | factoid time |
| 17:23:17 | jmhodges | damn who set up sugar? |
| 17:23:24 | treke | Neo|Work: |
| 17:23:29 | darienm | sugar, whos your daddy? |
| 17:23:36 | noidd | how can it not have an MSO |
| 17:23:38 | darienm | sugar, who's your daddy |
| 17:23:52 | whardier | fuck yeah I hurt! |
| 17:24:38 | jmhodges | sugar usually seems to know it all |
| 17:25:17 | darienm | did you just bold some text? |
| 17:25:17 | prpplague | double checks to make sure he has the right channel |
| 17:25:30 | jmhodges | darienm: indeed i did |
| 17:25:32 | darienm | isn't that illegal? |
| 17:25:39 | jmhodges | hehehe |
| 17:25:55 | jmhodges | is a rebel with a small cause |
| 17:26:01 | darienm | Its at least as bad as 2colored text, no? |
| 17:26:10 | treke | no. colored is worse |
| 17:26:11 | Neo|Work | treke: rhmm? |
| 17:26:15 | Neo|Work | oh, ah. :P |
| 17:26:18 | jmhodges | almost but not quite |
| 17:26:19 | treke | Neo|Work: just answering a question |
| 17:28:12 | noidd | wonders how many passes of dd over this sd card he will need to be sure that the bug is in the write only section of the driver. |
| 17:29:02 | prpplague | noidd: are you just writing random data |
| 17:29:06 | prpplague | ? |
| 17:29:09 | noidd | no, i'm reading data |
| 17:29:22 | prpplague | noidd: ahh dd in from the device |
| 17:29:29 | angryBSD | /dev/urand |
| 17:29:49 | noidd | prpplague: I'm pretty sure that the sd card bug is write only.. that means I can at least write my data with an SD writer so at least I get to use it |
| 17:29:57 | noidd | then mount it read-only |
| 17:30:04 | noidd | yup |
| 17:30:19 | prpplague | noidd: this the sandisk sd issue? |
| 17:30:22 | noidd | dd if=/dev/mmcda of=/dev/null bs=512 |
| 17:30:35 | warmi | NeoWork: do you know if ipaq has a different screen layout (rotation etc) ? |
| 17:30:37 | prpplague | noidd: i've had similiar issues with the sony memory stick under linux |
| 17:30:41 | noidd | prpplague: maybe... I have a compaq disk which according to Sharp is showing the sam symtoms |
| 17:30:57 | treke | warmi: 3100 and 3800 are rotated. 3600 and 3700 arent |
| 17:31:02 | treke | not sure about the 3900 |
| 17:31:41 | warmi | hehe |
| 17:31:43 | warmi | a mess |
| 17:31:52 | warmi | rotated the same way ZAurus is ? |
| 17:32:20 | treke | no. The 3600 and 3700 are the same as the Zaurus |
| 17:32:33 | jmhodges | hm.. what do you guys mean by rotated? |
| 17:32:35 | treke | the 3100 and 3800 are rotated in the opposite direction |
| 17:33:44 | noidd | prpplague: I'm NFS mounting a lump of disk off my server onto the Z |
| 17:33:58 | noidd | then DDing a disk image of the sd card onto that |
| 17:34:05 | warmi | jmhodges: basiacally ZAurus screen layout is like old C-64 320x 240 looking sideways ... if you turn your to the right 90 deg .. the left upper corner (normally left bottom corner) is where 0,0 point is |
| 17:34:05 | noidd | so I can watch its progress |
| 17:34:12 | warmi | or framebuffer byte 0 |
| 17:34:16 | crackotter | Anybody know any good DataBase programs for the Z other than Recall?? something that has easy to use encrytption |
| 17:34:34 | BigBoss | what's wrong with Rekall? |
| 17:34:36 | warmi | jmhodges: hard to explain without a picture |
| 17:34:38 | noidd | ponders, cryptfs :-) |
| 17:34:39 | jmhodges | aaaaah i see warmi |
| 17:34:42 | jmhodges | thanks warmi |
| 17:34:49 | prpplague | crackotter: as a back end? or full interface? |
| 17:35:06 | crackotter | prpplague: Full interface |
| 17:35:22 | jmhodges | i got it.. now i just need to figure out what a C-64 is |
| 17:35:25 | treke | crackotter: rekall is it |
| 17:35:28 | jmhodges | im guessing its a type of screen (duh) |
| 17:35:46 | crackotter | I used to use HandBase .. C-64 .. good ol' C-64 days.. pirates.. defender of the crown.. ahhh |
| 17:36:04 | crackotter | :) |
| 17:36:15 | prpplague | crackotter: sorry, no, i use sqlite but the front end is always write my own c app interface |
| 17:36:18 | BigBoss | so crackotter: is there something wrong with Rekall? |
| 17:36:45 | warmi | jmhodges: uh .. never mind then ..hehe |
| 17:37:00 | jmhodges | warmi: figures :) |
| 17:37:05 | crackotter | BigBoss: Nope.. but want some other options .. I tried to buy Recall yesterday anyways and the Kompany wouldn't take my visa :) |
| 17:37:13 | jmhodges | damn my lack of embedded experience! |
| 17:37:40 | BigBoss | crockotter: should work fine for ordering unless the authorization system was down or some info you entered was wrong |
| 17:37:49 | BigBoss | i'm the president of theKompany |
| 17:37:55 | BigBoss | and we are happy to take your money |
| 17:37:59 | treke | jmhodges: Think of it this way. Qtopia rotates your screen to be taller than it is wide |
| 17:38:00 | BigBoss | what error did you get? |
| 17:38:10 | crackotter | BigBoss: info was correct.. Really? Well you make some kick ass products.. must have been the Auth system |
| 17:38:22 | treke | jmhodges: If this wasnt specifically done the screen would be wider than it is tall ( on its side) |
| 17:38:24 | jmhodges | treke: i konw what he meant.. just dont know what a C64 is |
| 17:38:27 | treke | ah |
| 17:38:29 | crackotter | "Invalid Card Type" |
| 17:38:43 | jmhodges | treke: yeah.. silly no? :/ |
| 17:39:03 | noidd | crackotter: you need a latter version of credit card number generator :-) |
| 17:39:20 | crackotter | Tried it three times.. worked just fine for other pruchases I made yesterday <laughs at noidd> |
| 17:39:27 | noidd | :-) |
| 17:39:42 | BigBoss | crackotter: let me see if it hit the auth system |
| 17:39:46 | crackotter | "I am a proud owner of a 'Free Tyler Durden' Visa" |
| 17:39:51 | BigBoss | what is your real name? |
| 17:39:59 | noidd | crackotter: superb! |
| 17:40:22 | Neo|Work | warmi: As treke said, 3800 is rotated 90 degrees (QDP rotation 1), and Zaurus, 3600 and 3700 are rotated 270 degrees |
| 17:40:30 | BigBoss | Josh Hurtado? |
| 17:40:31 | crackotter | Sorry BB .. I don't like sending personal info over IRC |
| 17:40:39 | crackotter | Wow!! that was good BB .. yep thats me |
| 17:40:41 | noidd | wonders who the first credit card company to actually let you create your own designs for credit cards would be |
| 17:40:56 | treke | 3900 is probably like the 3800 and 3100 |
| 17:41:10 | warmi | jmhodges: there is a picture for you .. http://www.warmi.net/images/rotation.png |
| 17:41:15 | crackotter | Sorry .. I always get parnoid about personal info whenever Defcon is about to happen :-) |
| 17:41:17 | BigBoss | hmm: no explanation other than 2 failures |
| 17:41:23 | warmi | memory addresses increase along the arrow |
| 17:41:35 | jmhodges | warmi: ARGH i understand that part! |
| 17:41:37 | BigBoss | you gotta make sure the name address and number all match what is on your billing statement, but we take most cards |
| 17:41:48 | darienm | crackotter: Its the only order for rekall that came in yesterday.. not hard to track down :) |
| 17:41:59 | jmhodges | warmi: thanks anyway! :D |
| 17:41:59 | warmi | so .. what else is there to understand ? :-) |
| 17:42:00 | darienm | jabs BigBoss ever so slightly |
| 17:42:07 | noidd | crackotter: is your card a new card type? |
| 17:42:08 | jmhodges | the C64 part |
| 17:42:24 | crackotter | Yep they do.. well I will try it again right now.. brb.. and no.. a reguler Visa |
| 17:42:26 | warmi | oh .. that's just an old computer .. |
| 17:42:33 | jmhodges | ok |
| 17:42:36 | BigBoss | actually it was the only failed order that never had a good order :) |
| 17:42:46 | warmi | funky , sort of like a barrel cut in half, looking computer |
| 17:42:54 | warmi | heh |
| 17:43:10 | br33zy | ls warmi |
| 17:43:12 | br33zy | warmi! |
| 17:43:21 | crackotter | I tried ordering with Opera, Netscape and finalley <through VMWare> IE |
| 17:43:23 | darienm | The Commodore 64's screen was 'rotated' from a programmer's point of view? |
| 17:43:25 | jmhodges | hehe warmi |
| 17:43:31 | jmhodges | oh a COMMODORE! |
| 17:43:32 | jmhodges | jesus! |
| 17:43:38 | Neo|Work | http://david.hedbor.org/tmp/zaurusfb.png is another one |
| 17:43:41 | warmi | http://www.myoldcomputers.com/museum/comp/c64.htm |
| 17:43:42 | jmhodges | bangs his head against the wall |
| 17:44:27 | crackotter | Yeh.. C-64... Commodore.. my 2nd 'puter after my TSR Trash-80 |
| 17:45:15 | jmhodges | was trying to think of a handheld that went by that name.. was getting kinda pissed |
| 17:45:33 | fortyhex | anyone using the new 5000D image 1.38? |
| 17:45:38 | darienm | Casiopia64 ? nah. |
| 17:45:48 | darienm | Canon64? nah. |
| 17:46:10 | CmdrChalupa | is the only way to reset the zaurus with that switch on the back and waiting 30 seconds? |
| 17:46:27 | darienm | Yes, except for the waiting 30 seconds parts. |
| 17:46:40 | darienm | Flip the switch, flip it back, and hold the Cancel key to boot up |
| 17:47:14 | CmdrChalupa | and that maintains the data that's in ram |
| 17:47:19 | darienm | Yyes |
| 17:47:22 | CmdrChalupa | kay |
| 17:47:23 | darienm | er, Yes. |
| 17:47:28 | darienm | its just a soft reset |
| 17:47:41 | darienm | If by 'data in ram' you mean STORAGE data. |
| 17:47:45 | CmdrChalupa | what about a hard reset |
| 17:47:47 | darienm | it wont retain any unsaved documents. |
| 17:47:47 | CmdrChalupa | yep |
| 17:48:00 | darienm | a hard reset wipes your Zaurus completely clean, as it was the day you bought it. |
| 17:48:38 | crackotter | Wish The Kompany would come out with there own version of QTDesktop syncing software <and add Ximian support in> |
| 17:48:50 | crackotter | Wooo Hooo order went through |
| 17:49:12 | darienm | crackotter: did you install the tkcRekall demo? To RAM or SD card? |
| 17:49:26 | crackotter | I installed the Demo but to the SD card.. |
| 17:49:40 | darienm | crackotter: And that worked for you using the normal ipks? |
| 17:49:40 | CmdrChalupa | darienm: how would you do a hard reset |
| 17:49:50 | darienm | CmdrChalupa: You might want to read your manual. |
| 17:49:54 | CmdrChalupa | ok |
| 17:49:57 | CmdrChalupa | well, I don't have one yet |
| 17:50:00 | CmdrChalupa | grins |
| 17:50:04 | darienm | CmdrChalupa: ?? |
| 17:50:12 | CmdrChalupa | i don't have a zaurus yet |
| 17:50:26 | crackotter | darienm: the docs recommend installing to the SD card go I did.. |
| 17:50:26 | treke | VerxWork: You updated iqnotes lately? The bug your reported seems to be gone |
| 17:50:31 | darienm | CmdrChalupa: hard reset is flip switch, remove battery cover, remove battery, push little button with stylus, replace battery, replace cover, flip switch, turn on |
| 17:50:32 | benmeyer | Anyone have five minutes to spare and would be able to try my |
| 17:50:33 | benmeyer | ftpclient/explorer app for me and give me some feedback? |
| 17:50:47 | darienm | benmeyer MEMEMEME |
| 17:50:51 | noidd | benmeyer: would love to - drop us a url |
| 17:51:03 | [DrEvil] | benmeyer: are you running the zz feed? |
| 17:51:06 | benmeyer | don't have it on a external server, but can e-mail it to you |
| 17:51:08 | benmeyer | yes I do |
| 17:51:24 | [DrEvil] | you have lots of older versions of ipks in it |
| 17:51:36 | benmeyer | in the old dir? |
| 17:51:38 | [DrEvil] | along with the newest version |
| 17:51:43 | [DrEvil] | in the main dir |
| 17:52:06 | crackotter | Does anyone know how the Syncing software works?? Is it through FTP<as I suspect> If so, I want to write my own to sync through SCP |
| 17:52:38 | noidd | was wondering why it took so long to dd his 128M sd card.... then he realised it was a 256M sd card. doh |
| 17:53:22 | darienm | crackotter: AFAIK, the sync just compares local XML files with those on the Zaurus, then pulls them thru port 4242 of FTP and merges the data (if that's what you specified). its also possible to get to those files via SSH /SCP so i dont see why not. |
| 17:53:59 | noidd | its the XML merging thats the interesting bit |
| 17:54:31 | benmeyer | sent |
| 17:54:39 | noidd | ok, will check in 30s |
| 17:55:01 | noidd | (Z is currently at 100% utilisation) |
| 17:55:10 | noidd | and is having a hard day :-) |
| 17:57:41 | crackotter | cool .. My order went through.. got Recall now |
| 17:57:43 | [DrEvil] | is rebuilding his Z |
| 17:57:49 | BigBoss | that's good to hear |
| 17:59:06 | noidd | BigBoss: I want to be 100% sure that the sandisk issue is only on writes... so my poor little sd card has been dd if=/dev/mmcda for about 2 hours now :-) |
| 17:59:30 | BigBoss | sheesh |
| 17:59:34 | noidd | if I can be sure.... then if I write on the card elsewhere its not a complete waste |
| 18:00:13 | noidd | consider it a very large EEPROM :-) |
| 18:00:34 | kergoth | re |
| 18:00:42 | noidd | hey kergoth |
| 18:00:45 | oGMo | noidd: sandisk issue? |
| 18:00:48 | ljp_ | needs to replace the EEPROM in his head |
| 18:00:49 | noidd | oGMo: yeah |
| 18:00:53 | kergoth | too |
| 18:01:01 | Sniper | anyone know Ruby? |
| 18:01:06 | noidd | oGMo: i've been reading from the sd card for about 2 hours now with no errors |
| 18:01:12 | Sniper | is that a worthwile port for the Z? |
| 18:01:16 | BigBoss | Sniper: our BlackAdder product does Ruby |
| 18:01:16 | noidd | oGMo: but I cant wrote 4k without it crocking |
| 18:01:18 | ljp_ | I met Ruby once, but she was rude.. |
| 18:01:24 | oGMo | noidd: what's the issue with them...? I heard some mutterings about problems on the list, but nothing informative... |
| 18:01:28 | noidd | ljp_: ruby wax? |
| 18:01:30 | oGMo | noidd: ah |
| 18:01:38 | BigBoss | Sniper: it's very popular in Japan, not so much here |
| 18:01:53 | oGMo | it's getting more popular here though, i know a number of people who swear by it |
| 18:01:55 | George- | noidd: If it was I wouldn't be surprised :))) |
| 18:01:59 | Sniper | bb: you need to give me a list of all the apps your working on so i know |
| 18:02:05 | Sniper | bb: so not very compelling.. |
| 18:02:06 | noidd | oGMo: if you "do stuff" with a sandisk (or compaq) sd card, the kernel module balks andre-mounts the partition read onlt |
| 18:02:14 | Sniper | bb:ruby that is |
| 18:02:16 | | bigboss is the president of TheKompany |
| 18:02:16 | Sniper | ibot bigboss |
| 18:02:24 | BigBoss | Sniper: not really |
| 18:02:26 | oGMo | noidd: ooh, i saw that behavior |
| 18:02:32 | BigBoss | there are Qt bindings for Ruby however |
| 18:02:40 | noidd | My mother was accosted by Ruby Wax on live national TV. |
| 18:02:41 | BigBoss | but it works differently than Python |
| 18:02:52 | Sniper | bb:so does that mean Qt can utilize ruby programs? |
| 18:02:52 | noidd | My mother didn't know who she was, and given the context it was ver funny |
| 18:02:53 | oGMo | noidd: it was with a cf card though |
| 18:03:06 | jmhodges | who is Ruby Wax? |
| 18:03:09 | noidd | oGMo: oh, I didnt realise there were CF issues |
| 18:03:11 | jmhodges | "accosted?!" |
| 18:03:43 | BigBoss | Sniper: yes it does - it's rather similar to the PyQt stuff that Phil ported to the Z |
| 18:03:51 | noidd | jmhodges: a very talented New York lady comedian who is reasonabbly popular in the UK but compeletely unheard of in the US |
| 18:03:55 | oGMo | noidd: well, i'd mount the cf card, try to copy the ospack over, and it'd magically be ro when i looked at it again... although only after the times when it failed to copy the whole thing. it was weird. haven't seen it sinccne, but haven't played much either. |
| 18:04:06 | noidd | jmhodges: she conforms to all our NY stereotypes, so we like her. |
| 18:04:16 | noidd | you know, rude, arrogant, loud - that kinda thing :-) |
| 18:04:20 | BigBoss | I think about 3 people are doing PyQt development, and there are about 20 times as many Python developers |
| 18:04:20 | jmhodges | hehe\ |
| 18:04:29 | Sniper | bb: thanks |
| 18:04:35 | BigBoss | I don't think you're going to get much traction with Ruby at the moment unless you target it at the Japanese market |
| 18:04:51 | noidd | oGMo: I think that is a defence mechanism build into the driver. |
| 18:05:07 | noidd | oGMo: if you look carefully, you can see it happen :-) |
| 18:05:25 | George- | hehe, Ruby Wax is a pain in the ass :) |
| 18:05:29 | BigBoss | Sniper: did you get the tkcToDo beta? We've got an updated beta coming out tomorrow - very close to release now |
| 18:05:33 | oGMo | noidd: hehe |
| 18:05:40 | Sniper | bb: no.. i dont get anything you do |
| 18:05:51 | BigBoss | Jason put it on the internal feed I think |
| 18:05:58 | noidd | notes he has 7 days to submit a paper to YAPC, but that damn module still wont compile against QT or QTopia - so no free Z advertising in front of several hundred potential Z developers. |
| 18:05:59 | Sniper | bb: oh man.. he doesnt tell me |
| 18:06:01 | noidd | :-) |
| 18:06:24 | jmhodges | someone help noidd! |
| 18:06:30 | NetAmp | what's up? |
| 18:06:58 | George- | noidd: YAPC? |
| 18:06:58 | noidd | jmhodges: last year I did "Developing Gtk applications in perl" at the conference. |
| 18:07:18 | jmhodges | noidd: yeah i know! i saw the slide show! |
| 18:07:30 | jmhodges | noidd: i was one of the guys that you fixed the link for :) |
| 18:07:31 | noidd | This year I want to do "Developing Graphical applications on handheld devices" |
| 18:07:37 | noidd | waves his Z in the air. |
| 18:07:39 | jmhodges | coool |
| 18:07:43 | noidd | 4 hour tutorial. |
| 18:07:45 | whardier | girl got lip caught in scanner -> http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_634301.htm |
| 18:07:48 | jmhodges | hehehe |
| 18:08:36 | noidd | the conference is wireless - let the delegates grab my slides of the handheld while its running |
| 18:08:49 | noidd | if that doesn't sell a Z or 10, nothing will :-) |
| 18:09:07 | NetAmp | noidd: cool! :D |
| 18:09:23 | noidd | but, I cant do it tho unless I can get that module to compile |
| 18:09:27 | BigBoss | noidd: use one of our apps as an example :) |
| 18:09:29 | noidd | and i'm failing miserably |
| 18:09:44 | jmhodges | whardier: im getting nada at that site.. no pic no text |
| 18:09:47 | NetAmp | heh, tkc exposure ;) |
| 18:09:58 | kergoth | noidd: whats the issue you're having |
| 18:10:16 | noidd | kergoth: I cant get the Qt perl module to compile at all |
| 18:10:26 | noidd | not even under native x86 |
| 18:10:29 | kergoth | ah.. |
| 18:10:36 | BigBoss | pick another topic |
| 18:10:38 | kergoth | cant help ya there, never tried that... |
| 18:10:40 | NetAmp | will that slideshow be online somewhere? :D |
| 18:10:40 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:10:57 | noidd | I've probably missed something out in the Qt environment setup |
| 18:11:03 | noidd | or done something braindead |
| 18:11:31 | giminy | anybody have a reference site for how to build a new romimage? |
| 18:11:37 | noidd | it compiles further on the skiff machines before bombing than on my PC |
| 18:12:40 | ljp_ | griminy: the sharp's zaurus dev site does |
| 18:15:01 | NetAmp | (?) http://more.sbc.co.jp/slj/docandtool.asp |
| 18:16:18 | giminy | danke |
| 18:21:08 | BigBoss | l |
| 18:32:37 | warmi | are kdelibs under gpl or lgpl ? any kde folks in here ? |
| 18:33:30 | warmi | stragne ... kde libs dir has three COPYING files .. gpl, lgpl, and bsd heeh |
| 18:34:45 | nadav | argh |
| 18:39:31 | [DrEvil] | grrrr |
| 18:39:41 | [DrEvil] | busybox does not have the -r switch for cp |
| 18:40:57 | kendrick2 | re |
| 18:41:04 | kendrick2 | see my post about bestbuy :) |
| 18:41:26 | kergoth | re |
| 18:41:36 | kendrick2 | hey - has anyone mentioned prboom to linuxgames.com? |
| 18:41:47 | kendrick2 | and we should ask happypenguin.org to add a 'zaurus/ipaq' section(s) :) |
| 18:41:55 | oGMo | kendrick2: where? |
| 18:42:01 | oGMo | kendrick2: oooh good idea |
| 18:42:14 | kendrick2 | linuxgames.com! :) linux game new ssite |
| 18:42:20 | oGMo | although, they kinda take a long time to deliver |
| 18:42:45 | oGMo | i ordered Kohan, CivCTP, and JA2 back in like the beginning of June, and just got Kohan like last week ;) |
| 18:43:05 | Rince | CivCTP for Z? |
| 18:43:06 | Rince | :-) |
| 18:43:07 | oGMo | kendrick2: yeah |
| 18:43:13 | oGMo | Rince: i wish ;) |
| 18:43:19 | oGMo | there's always freeciv though |
| 18:43:57 | kendrick2 | ogmo - linuxgames.com is not a sales place |
| 18:44:01 | kendrick2 | you must be thinking of tuxgames.com |
| 18:44:05 | kendrick2 | > linuxgames.com! :) linux game new ssite |
| 18:44:32 | oGMo | kendrick2, i so completely read what you typed as tuxgames.com |
| 18:44:43 | oGMo | must have been the happypenguin reference right under it |
| 18:48:53 | oGMo | kendrick2: just saw your post, good news... i wish i'd waited a week, i'd have saved $70 :( :) |
| 18:50:41 | Neo|Work | http://www.unixsex.com/menu.html <-- fsking weirdest site I've seen in a while |
| 18:50:49 | kergoth | i'm so NOT going to that url |
| 18:50:53 | kergoth | heheh |
| 18:50:54 | Neo|Work | mildly offensive but nothing really bad |
| 18:51:11 | Neo|Work | imagine mostly dressed sysadmins in interesting poses with HARDWARE |
| 18:53:09 | warmi | mostly dressed sysadmins having "sex" with Sun hardware is not mildly offensive !!! |
| 18:53:17 | Neo|Work | hehe |
| 18:53:18 | warmi | it is freaky |
| 18:53:32 | Neo|Work | not ACTUAL sex, SUGGESTED sex |
| 18:53:34 | Neo|Work | or something |
| 18:53:49 | whardier | http://www.unixsex.com/admins/bondage/ |
| 18:53:52 | whardier | bah ha ha |
| 18:54:01 | Mickey0 | is leaving for a while... |
| 18:54:01 | warmi | whatever .. I was trying to figure out if it was "sugested" only . |
| 18:54:06 | warmi | hehe |
| 18:54:16 | Neo|Work | the girl in the middle there is quite hot. :) |
| 18:54:17 | warmi | some people are just paid too much |
| 18:54:50 | warmi | unix bondage ... uhh |
| 18:55:01 | warmi | ljp_: how about some "unix bondage" ? |
| 18:55:09 | ljp_ | ?? |
| 18:55:13 | warmi | courtesy of Neo :-) |
| 18:55:27 | warmi | http://www.unixsex.com/admins/bondage/ |
| 18:55:29 | warmi | hehe |
| 18:57:29 | warmi | kergoth`zzz: heheeh ... |
| 18:57:36 | Neo|Work | courtesy of a forum I read |
| 18:57:54 | Neo|Work | as a response to this one http://www.bengster.com |
| 18:57:56 | warmi | NeoTron: yeah .. I figured |
| 18:58:15 | warmi | I am sure you are not spending your days perusing the net for stuff like that |
| 18:58:16 | warmi | hehe |
| 18:58:35 | kendrick2 | has to wander |
| 18:58:36 | kendrick2 | work to do :^P |
| 18:58:59 | kendrick2 | i like the girl at the top |
| 18:58:59 | Neo|Work | indeed |
| 18:59:02 | Neo|Work | others do it for me. :) |
| 18:59:04 | kendrick2 | i have a short hair thing tho ;) |
| 18:59:07 | BigBoss | you like them on top? |
| 18:59:13 | kergoth | lol |
| 18:59:30 | warmi | hehe |
| 18:59:39 | kendrick2 | dork |
| 18:59:42 | BigBoss | I like the ones on the bottom |
| 18:59:45 | kergoth | welcome to #unixsex |
| 18:59:46 | BigBoss | in all cases |
| 18:59:50 | kend-wcom | yes, i work for worldcom :) |
| 19:00:04 | warmi | don't mind the girls ..but these guys with those servers .. I mean that just sick |
| 19:00:06 | BigBoss | I thought you were a kept man and just had to look pretty and program for your woman |
| 19:00:14 | [DrEvil] | unisex? |
| 19:00:24 | BigBoss | it's a wonder to me that women like men at all - I'm glad they do, but we are so unappealing |
| 19:00:25 | kergoth | oh sweet. evas2 supports framebuffer output |
| 19:00:25 | [DrEvil] | 'i've heard of unisex but never tried it |
| 19:00:40 | kergoth | is gonna try evas on his Z |
| 19:00:41 | [DrEvil] | kergoth: but is it fast enough |
| 19:00:52 | warmi | kergoth`zzz: already playing with rasteman stuff ? |
| 19:00:56 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: thats what i want to find out |
| 19:01:09 | [DrEvil] | going to dump opie and build e17 for the Z? |
| 19:01:39 | treke|home | [DrEvil]: Its pretty quick |
| 19:01:55 | BigBoss | kendrick: so what did you end up releasing for the Z? |
| 19:01:58 | | hmmm... howto is at http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/ |
| 19:01:58 | darienm | ibot howto |
| 19:02:01 | whardier | my neck fucking hurts |
| 19:02:13 | whardier | I am gonna rip that bitches neck off with my teeth next time I see her |
| 19:02:15 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: not e17, just evas. |
| 19:02:19 | treke|home | kergoth: The ipaq was precisly the reason behind the framebuffer target :) |
| 19:02:29 | kergoth | treke|home: was it? hah |
| 19:02:40 | kergoth | treke|home: have you played with it? i really like the concept. |
| 19:02:46 | scanline[ibook] | yikes.. handheld enlightenment, what will they think of next! |
| 19:02:50 | treke|home | kergoth: I tried out the demos a few months ago |
| 19:02:51 | whardier | evas requires lots of things |
| 19:02:55 | kergoth | hehe, NOT handheld E |
| 19:02:58 | kergoth | whardier: not evas2 |
| 19:02:59 | whardier | ever tried copmiling e17 from CVS? |
| 19:03:02 | whardier | evas2 eh? |
| 19:03:10 | kergoth | whardier: evas2 has direct fb output, not on top of imlib2, as i understand it |
| 19:03:12 | kergoth | yes |
| 19:03:13 | whardier | I need to compile ecore |
| 19:03:17 | whardier | but I don't wanna go thru the hassle |
| 19:03:18 | kergoth | i built e17 from source. |
| 19:03:29 | kergoth | the entire thing, no problems.. except for some minor build issues that i worked around |
| 19:03:30 | whardier | it just seems like a bunch of poot |
| 19:03:41 | kergoth | treke|home: it was pretty quick then? |
| 19:03:56 | treke|home | kergoth: Yeah. Not as fast as gl output on my desktop, but respectable |
| 19:04:12 | treke|home | and that was when it was new and not quite optimized :) |
| 19:04:16 | kergoth | treke|home: very cool |
| 19:04:57 | treke|home | whardier: The goal was to write a handheld environment on top of it |
| 19:05:17 | whardier | cries |
| 19:05:20 | whardier | X! |
| 19:05:42 | scanline | hmm... |
| 19:05:42 | treke|home | X doesnt do the cool stuff evas can doo :) |
| 19:05:47 | whardier | yeah it can |
| 19:05:47 | scanline | evas is the compositing library, right? |
| 19:05:56 | whardier | you can composite with X |
| 19:05:57 | kend-wcom | bigboss - releasing? |
| 19:06:06 | kend-wcom | so far? http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/zaurus/ |
| 19:06:07 | whardier | you just have to "do" it |
| 19:06:08 | kergoth | bah |
| 19:06:14 | kergoth | whardier: evas is damn cool. |
| 19:06:18 | whardier | I know it is |
| 19:06:23 | kend-wcom | Also some stuff in The Lab: http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/lab/ |
| 19:06:23 | whardier | same with SDL |
| 19:06:26 | kergoth | yeh |
| 19:06:40 | kergoth | I'd love a handheld environment on top of evas. |
| 19:06:42 | whardier | I think it would have been smart to use SDL |
| 19:06:47 | kend-wcom | mmm. SDL |
| 19:06:52 | kend-wcom | paragui always looked sweet :) |
| 19:06:57 | kend-wcom | guys seen my latest? |
| 19:07:00 | whardier | paragui works on SDL :) |
| 19:07:01 | kend-wcom | http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/tuxpaint/ |
| 19:07:07 | kend-wcom | whard - yeah, that's my point ;) |
| 19:07:11 | whardier | same with picogui |
| 19:07:23 | treke|home | whardier: So implement an sdl backend for evas |
| 19:07:34 | kergoth | exactly |
| 19:07:35 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:07:44 | whardier | the point is to pass SDL canvases/eva Canvases to all these new apps tho |
| 19:07:46 | whardier | rewrites |
| 19:07:49 | scanline | ponders running picogui on evas on SDL... |
| 19:07:53 | whardier | soon it will be just like all the others.. including X |
| 19:08:02 | kergoth | scanline: hehe |
| 19:08:04 | whardier | people will make their own widget sets |
| 19:08:06 | whardier | it will look messy |
| 19:08:07 | scanline | or even SDL on picogui on evas on SDL... |
| 19:08:08 | kergoth | scanline: toooo manyyyy layeerrrrsss |
| 19:08:13 | scanline | hehe |
| 19:08:36 | whardier | am I just too much of a futurist? |
| 19:08:43 | kergoth | whardier: nah, pessimist |
| 19:08:46 | scanline | goes back to coding on picogui's textbox widget |
| 19:08:48 | whardier | haha |
| 19:08:53 | kergoth | scanline: oh good, yes do that :-P |
| 19:09:06 | whardier | the only way to have a pretty style to everything (atleast to my specs) would be if it all came from one damn uniform company |
| 19:09:06 | treke|home | I'm guesing it would probably be using ewl |
| 19:09:06 | whardier | heh |
| 19:09:09 | whardier | or project |
| 19:09:17 | whardier | otherwise everybody will make it very unpretty |
| 19:09:23 | kergoth | yeh |
| 19:09:28 | warmi | whardier: precisely |
| 19:09:42 | whardier | if Evas worked well |
| 19:09:50 | whardier | and could pass seperate canvases to all the sub applications |
| 19:09:55 | warmi | whardier: otherwise you end up with a mess like X windows |
| 19:09:59 | whardier | and have some sort of widget set |
| 19:10:01 | warmi | heh |
| 19:10:01 | whardier | that would be cool |
| 19:10:04 | kergoth | whardier: yeah, exactly |
| 19:10:10 | whardier | but evas is a compositing library |
| 19:10:20 | whardier | hmm |
| 19:10:23 | kergoth | whardier: i went to read up on evas some.. |
| 19:10:24 | treke|home | whardier: Well there is a widget set. Just not a full one yet |
| 19:10:24 | whardier | makes the relation |
| 19:10:28 | whardier | Shockwave flash gui :) |
| 19:10:29 | kergoth | whardier: the pdf is fucking 185 pages!@#% |
| 19:10:33 | warmi | you can built qt on top of evas , can you not ? |
| 19:10:42 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:10:46 | scanline | eww |
| 19:10:54 | scanline | that would be such a memory hog... |
| 19:10:56 | warmi | just replace qte primitives with evas equivlent |
| 19:11:05 | whardier | what needs to happen is a porting initiative |
| 19:11:12 | whardier | where we all vote on things to go into evas |
| 19:11:17 | warmi | scanline qt is such memory hog because it offers so much |
| 19:11:20 | whardier | like a small scale debian repository |
| 19:11:27 | whardier | it sounds stupid |
| 19:11:33 | whardier | but everything would pass QA |
| 19:11:41 | warmi | coding in qt and coding with some basic widgets-only toolkit is like coding in Java and asm |
| 19:11:47 | kend-wcom | wanders |
| 19:11:49 | kend-wcom | bbl8r maybe |
| 19:11:59 | whardier | is just pissy today |
| 19:12:02 | whardier | my neck hurts |
| 19:12:03 | whardier | thats all I know |
| 19:12:10 | kergoth | heheh |
| 19:12:18 | kergoth | being bitten will do that to you |
| 19:12:32 | kergoth | you need to hang out with either less or more feisty women, depending on how you look at it |
| 19:12:35 | whardier | I am just overall a bit sore |
| 19:12:42 | whardier | oh I love bites |
| 19:12:42 | warmi | geting drunk and sleeping on the stairs will do that too .. |
| 19:12:44 | warmi | :-) |
| 19:12:47 | whardier | they make me happy |
| 19:13:05 | whardier | except this one wanted flash to a point I never knew |
| 19:13:07 | whardier | flesh |
| 19:13:26 | whardier | there is no hickey look to it.. no suck.. just pure bite |
| 19:13:41 | whardier | I don't mind it when its in the bed :) |
| 19:13:49 | whardier | but random bites from anonymous people? |
| 19:13:58 | whardier | makes me somewhat unhappy |
| 19:13:59 | whardier | haha |
| 19:14:07 | whardier | and my frisbee arm hurts too |
| 19:14:12 | whardier | I am a big fucking wuss today |
| 19:14:21 | kergoth | lol |
| 19:14:29 | whardier | I had too much suchi last night too |
| 19:14:29 | kergoth | man.. my hook that my punching bag was hanging from.. |
| 19:14:31 | kergoth | it broke |
| 19:14:31 | whardier | sushi |
| 19:14:41 | kergoth | i hit the bag and it kept going, and landed on the ground |
| 19:14:42 | kergoth | that sucked |
| 19:14:43 | whardier | kergoth: don't hang and hump |
| 19:14:45 | whardier | it breaks |
| 19:14:46 | kergoth | hah |
| 19:15:01 | whardier | frisbee golf is damn fun |
| 19:15:01 | kergoth | nono, i just work in tech support. i need to beat the shit out of something once in a while |
| 19:15:05 | kergoth | yeh it is |
| 19:15:06 | scanline | whoa... |
| 19:15:07 | whardier | I have never done it before yesterday |
| 19:15:22 | scanline | looks at evas, and decides that it wouldn't be too hard to write a picogui driver layer for it |
| 19:15:29 | whardier | scanline :) |
| 19:15:31 | kergoth | scanline: nifty, no? |
| 19:15:36 | scanline | indeed |
| 19:15:47 | whardier | evas is pretty spiff |
| 19:16:03 | whardier | I need to write stuff for either Evas or SDL for a public channel in alaska |
| 19:16:09 | whardier | I have not decided which |
| 19:16:10 | scanline | Only downside is there would be some redundant code between what imlib has and what's already in picogui |
| 19:16:16 | whardier | I like the idea of PHP-SDL |
| 19:16:19 | whardier | so I might head that way |
| 19:16:27 | kergoth | scanline: i wonder whats different in evas2 (SPLIT cvs branch) |
| 19:16:28 | whardier | since it has to pull from a php backend anyways |
| 19:16:48 | kergoth | php-sdl exists? nifty |
| 19:16:56 | whardier | yeah |
| 19:17:06 | whardier | perl and python (PyGame) |
| 19:17:10 | whardier | as well |
| 19:17:50 | whardier | I am so in love with BT |
| 19:17:52 | whardier | I wanna hump him |
| 19:18:05 | whardier | I love it when you find old stuff you thought you lost.. and listen to it again |
| 19:18:09 | warmi | man .. E17 is 11 Mb |
| 19:18:32 | whardier | my boob hurts |
| 19:18:35 | kergoth | warmi: its not just a window manager anymore.. |
| 19:18:36 | kergoth | :-) |
| 19:18:46 | Wussier | oww |
| 19:19:06 | warmi | where is evas source code ? |
| 19:19:11 | treke|home | yeah, its got a possibly kick ass file manager in it |
| 19:19:18 | whardier | decides to rip the 5th element before he ruins his DVD |
| 19:19:38 | kergoth | warmi: cvs. libs/evas .. also the current development happens on libs/evas2 (SPLIT cvs branch) |
| 19:19:54 | warmi | I thought it was part of E17 |
| 19:19:56 | kergoth | whardier: thats a damn good movie. i dont own the dvd yet |
| 19:19:59 | kergoth | warmi: it is |
| 19:20:13 | whardier | hmm.. my muscles get all funny when I move my arm.. damnit |
| 19:20:20 | whardier | today is a good day to code |
| 19:20:43 | whardier | except right now I am using 100% of my Dual 933 with a rip |
| 19:20:44 | Neo|Work | whoha. I need to get food I just realized |
| 19:20:47 | BigBoss | cut it off |
| 19:20:55 | whardier | BigBoss I might |
| 19:21:10 | whardier | I use that arm for the spacebar and such |
| 19:21:12 | whardier | so I think I will keep it |
| 19:22:35 | whardier | http://segfault.bogomip.com/bastard/mp3/Techno/BT/ <- much love here |
| 19:22:54 | whardier | I would rather use SDL or X for anything |
| 19:23:05 | whardier | then it immedietly incorperates all media devices |
| 19:23:09 | whardier | err programs |
| 19:23:16 | whardier | instead of having to write another layer |
| 19:23:46 | whardier | write something that intercepts SDL and gives it its own buffer and window locations |
| 19:23:51 | whardier | that would be pimp la grande |
| 19:23:59 | whardier | oh |
| 19:24:00 | whardier | wait |
| 19:24:01 | whardier | thats X |
| 19:24:13 | whardier | is so silly |
| 19:24:33 | whardier | I personally think that making Evas interact with X and act as a window handler would be great |
| 19:24:45 | kergoth | eh, we call that e17 |
| 19:24:46 | kergoth | :-P |
| 19:24:51 | whardier | then it can store the buffers for the windows (similar to picogui) for any on top effects and translations |
| 19:24:59 | scanline | sounds like directfb... |
| 19:25:00 | whardier | kergoth: but thats big! |
| 19:25:03 | kergoth | whardier: true that |
| 19:25:14 | whardier | scanline : yeah.. I never got that to compile |
| 19:25:14 | whardier | haha |
| 19:25:17 | scanline | whardier: picogui doesn't store window buffers |
| 19:25:20 | whardier | well I did but the important stuff didn't |
| 19:25:22 | scanline | whardier: hehe.. me neither |
| 19:25:33 | whardier | scanline: so all on top effects draw from the main buffer? |
| 19:25:48 | whardier | I guess that would make sense |
| 19:25:53 | scanline | No window buffers.. it's more like storing a scene graph |
| 19:25:56 | whardier | ok |
| 19:26:06 | whardier | well it makes a buffer per window I would assume ? |
| 19:26:11 | scanline | nope |
| 19:26:18 | whardier | that way you could get all modal windows to be transparent ? |
| 19:26:27 | whardier | and blurred? |
| 19:26:27 | scanline | everything renders directly to the screen, or to a backbuffer (if it's double-buffered) |
| 19:26:33 | whardier | ok |
| 19:26:42 | whardier | so all effects draw from the video device |
| 19:26:53 | scanline | Nah, it just does the blurring and stuff before drawing the dialog.. easy since the modal windows don't need to move or have stuff redrawn behind them |
| 19:27:02 | whardier | true |
| 19:27:08 | whardier | you know what I would love scanline :) |
| 19:27:11 | scanline | with drivers that do compositing well, like opengl (or maybe evas) you can update stuff behind modal dialogs |
| 19:27:20 | scanline | uh oh :) |
| 19:27:28 | whardier | effect layers |
| 19:27:34 | whardier | for instance you could do this with gimp |
| 19:27:38 | whardier | make a selection |
| 19:27:42 | whardier | and apply effects to the selection |
| 19:27:50 | whardier | then have those effects rerender when changes are made |
| 19:28:13 | whardier | you can do all this pseudo like in video editing :) |
| 19:28:16 | scanline | You could do something like that with sprites already |
| 19:28:30 | scanline | but the current implementation sucks for large numbers of sprites |
| 19:28:31 | whardier | I know you can but I have never seen many implementations |
| 19:28:57 | whardier | you would have to store a depth buffer for windows as well as sperate buffers per each window that is drawn |
| 19:29:06 | scanline | True.. there's lots of stuff picogui can do that isn't in any of the demos, mainly because I usually work on the server side |
| 19:29:31 | whardier | smokie time |
| 19:29:37 | scanline | I'd like to do something like that... lots of potential for eye candy |
| 19:29:46 | scanline | There's just too many 'serious' features to implement first :( |
| 19:29:53 | whardier | yeah :) |
| 19:30:01 | whardier | god I stink.. I need a shower |
| 19:30:05 | kergoth | yeah, like a text box widget |
| 19:30:09 | scanline | Someday we'll have evas, opengl, rootless mode... that would rock |
| 19:30:09 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:30:20 | scanline | kergoth: hey, this textbox is going to rock when it's done :) |
| 19:30:32 | kergoth | good good :-) |
| 19:31:22 | scanline | this is insane.. the evas demo is averaging 400.37 frames per second |
| 19:31:32 | scanline | yay for OpenGL |
| 19:31:35 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:34:43 | scanline | grr... I could count the number of comments in the evas source on my hands though |
| 19:35:18 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:35:18 | kergoth | dood |
| 19:35:20 | kergoth | read the pdf |
| 19:35:23 | kergoth | its like 190 pages or osmething |
| 19:35:28 | scanline | oh |
| 19:35:33 | kergoth | insane |
| 19:35:37 | whardier | busy little documenters |
| 19:35:44 | kergoth | i got to like page 5 and said, hey i'll come back to this some other time |
| 19:35:48 | scanline | if only some of that was in the source :) |
| 19:35:55 | whardier | heh |
| 19:36:09 | whardier | I should learn evas |
| 19:36:21 | kergoth | checks out evas2 and plays |
| 19:36:36 | whardier | sourceforge cvs? |
| 19:36:38 | kergoth | scanline: you looking at evas or evas2 source? maybe they've improved .. never know |
| 19:36:59 | kergoth | whardier: yeah |
| 19:37:40 | scanline | kergoth: I'll get the CVS later.. I was just lazy and did an apt-get source |
| 19:37:48 | kergoth | ah |
| 19:37:48 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:37:52 | scanline | gets back to work, and decides to play with evas when he wants a break |
| 19:38:04 | whardier | I wish you could view "on;y" active projects on SF |
| 19:38:08 | whardier | only even |
| 19:42:27 | whardier | do I want to download all 238 megs of e17's nightly CVS tarball |
| 19:42:27 | whardier | no |
| 19:42:38 | darienm | How can I tell what ROM version I'm running? |
| 19:42:45 | darienm | Without trusting SYSINFO |
| 19:42:53 | darienm | Is in /proc/ something? |
| 19:43:22 | whardier | err |
| 19:43:23 | whardier | damnit |
| 19:43:24 | whardier | I hate to ask this |
| 19:43:31 | whardier | what do I "need" to build evas2? |
| 19:45:10 | whardier | its going to update CVS by the time I download it all |
| 19:45:56 | prpplague | kergoth: you get those buildroot changes comited( no pressure) |
| 19:45:56 | br33zy | gtg |
| 19:47:08 | whardier | boob pain |
| 19:47:10 | whardier | I am gonna go shower |
| 19:47:12 | whardier | bbl |
| 19:47:16 | benmeyer | night |
| 19:47:58 | kergoth | whardier: um, you dont need anything but freetype to build evas2 |
| 19:48:01 | kergoth | whardier: read the readme |
| 19:48:03 | whardier | my cat is amused by x2x |
| 19:48:06 | kergoth | prpplague: oh, thanks for reminding me :-) |
| 19:48:17 | whardier | bah how do I download just evas2 source? |
| 19:48:22 | whardier | I am a CVS retard |
| 19:48:27 | darienm | Okay, since the original SysInfo is in ROM, I got to it. Nevermind. |
| 19:48:33 | kergoth | cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.enlightenment.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/enlightenment co -r SPLIT e17/libs/evas2 |
| 19:48:36 | kergoth | there ya go |
| 19:48:39 | whardier | that helps |
| 19:48:49 | kergoth | have fun |
| 19:48:58 | kergoth | it even has the configure options to use for a ipaq in the readme |
| 19:48:59 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:49:03 | whardier | hah |
| 19:49:04 | whardier | neat |
| 19:49:07 | kergoth | yeah |
| 19:49:09 | whardier | anybody tested on the Z? |
| 19:49:11 | kergoth | not yet |
| 19:49:32 | ljp_ | enlightenment on a z? |
| 19:49:44 | kergoth | not enlightenment, just evas |
| 19:50:21 | whardier | enlightenment would be weird |
| 19:50:42 | kergoth | yeh |
| 19:50:51 | kergoth | E + X .. man, talk about bloat |
| 19:50:53 | kergoth | no thanks |
| 19:51:10 | kergoth | configure.in:11: warning: AC_TRY_RUN called without default to allow cross compi |
| 19:51:10 | kergoth | ling |
| 19:51:13 | ljp_ | hahah I was going to say... WHY?!?! |
| 19:51:39 | whardier | WHY! |
| 19:51:59 | whardier | they have a BeOS port of e16 |
| 19:52:29 | whardier | I am feeling very.. ambient.. today |
| 19:52:32 | ljp_ | hmm why? |
| 19:52:46 | ljp_ | maybe its that bite mark on yer neck |
| 19:52:53 | whardier | maybe all the beer last night |
| 19:53:07 | whardier | its the damn weather |
| 19:53:12 | whardier | its not super fucking sunny out |
| 19:53:22 | ljp_ | cloudy here |
| 19:53:29 | whardier | same |
| 19:53:33 | [-George-] | *note to self - never use cleaning solution on LCDs* |
| 19:53:48 | nadav | haha |
| 19:54:02 | ljp_ | note to self *dont drop zaurus in the toilet |
| 19:54:07 | [-George-] | lol |
| 19:54:16 | whardier | note to self "quit with the gerbils" |
| 19:54:40 | kergoth | its sunny, clear sky, not too hot, not too cold, not too windy today |
| 19:54:45 | kergoth | we get like ONE of those days a year |
| 19:54:47 | kergoth | and i'm stuck in work |
| 19:54:49 | kergoth | shoots self |
| 19:55:04 | kergoth | note to self |
| 19:55:05 | whardier | its the calm before the storm |
| 19:55:08 | kergoth | that reminds me of dirty work |
| 19:55:13 | whardier | WERE ALL GONNA DIE! |
| 19:55:20 | kergoth | THE SKY IS FALLING! |
| 19:55:27 | [-George-] | how do you clean the cleaning material off? |
| 19:55:28 | whardier | PINS AND NEEDLES! |
| 19:55:28 | [-George-] | lol |
| 19:55:29 | warmi | kergoth`zzz: uh .. I am stuck at work like at least 330 out of 362 days .... |
| 19:55:36 | whardier | [-George-] water? |
| 19:55:40 | [-George-] | hm |
| 19:55:43 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:55:43 | [-George-] | I could try that :) |
| 19:56:04 | whardier | I have the prettiest kitty |
| 19:56:42 | angryBSD | is there a zaurus gaim yet? :) |
| 19:56:54 | whardier | kinkatta |
| 19:56:56 | kergoth | angryBSD: no, theres kinkattalite though, and jabber |
| 19:57:10 | angryBSD | o |
| 19:57:27 | whardier | lsalrighty |
| 19:57:32 | whardier | evas2 compiled |
| 19:57:34 | [-George-] | lol, found some baby wiped |
| 19:57:35 | [-George-] | *wipes |
| 19:57:41 | kergoth | why the hell does evas2's configure script require macros from libglib? |
| 19:57:41 | kergoth | wtf |
| 19:57:56 | angryBSD | that post on warwalking was awesome |
| 19:57:58 | whardier | the x11 test is pda sized |
| 19:57:58 | whardier | hehehe |
| 19:59:13 | [-George-] | heh, thank god this LCD is gonna be replaced |
| 20:00:12 | whardier | you know what makes evas so damn sexy |
| 20:00:12 | whardier | ? |
| 20:00:22 | whardier | good graphics |
| 20:00:23 | scanline | antialiasing? |
| 20:00:27 | whardier | that makes anything so goddamn sexy |
| 20:01:09 | whardier | how did you run the hardware test? |
| 20:01:14 | kergoth | shoots autoconf |
| 20:02:08 | whardier | ? |
| 20:02:25 | [-George-] | resussitates autoconf |
| 20:02:29 | [-George-] | dials 911 |
| 20:02:44 | ljp_ | shoots autoconf again |
| 20:02:59 | kergoth | kicks the dead autoconf repeatedly |
| 20:03:02 | kergoth | shoots it again |
| 20:03:08 | [-George-] | argh |
| 20:03:15 | [-George-] | shouts "AMBULANCE" |
| 20:03:27 | kergoth | shouts DIE AUTOCONF! |
| 20:03:29 | [-George-] | cats autoconf > /dev/help |
| 20:03:38 | kergoth | cats autoconf > /dev/null |
| 20:03:47 | oGMo | kergoth: what's wrong with autoconf? |
| 20:03:49 | [-George-] | uhm |
| 20:03:52 | [-George-] | I dunn o:) |
| 20:03:58 | ljp_ | whats NOT wrong with autconf? |
| 20:04:01 | kergoth | oGMo: versioning |
| 20:04:03 | oGMo | it makes life so easy |
| 20:04:08 | ljp_ | hahahaha |
| 20:04:08 | [-George-] | ljp_: lol |
| 20:04:10 | oGMo | kergoth: what versioning? |
| 20:04:12 | [-George-] | LOL |
| 20:04:22 | [-George-] | kergoth: YOU'RE complaining about versioning |
| 20:04:27 | kergoth | oGMo: e.g. configure.ac's that dont work on old autoconf versions |
| 20:04:27 | [-George-] | kergoth: JEEZ, look at OZ :) |
| 20:04:34 | kergoth | smacks george |
| 20:04:35 | kergoth | :-P |
| 20:04:41 | [-George-] | kergoth: don't smack me |
| 20:04:43 | kergoth | autoconf is worse! |
| 20:04:45 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:04:45 | [-George-] | kergoth: grrrrr |
| 20:04:50 | [-George-] | no it's not :) |
| 20:04:50 | oGMo | kergoth: oh, well either use release packages or upgrade ;) |
| 20:05:02 | [-George-] | at least autoconf goes UP in numbers as time goes by |
| 20:05:04 | kergoth | oGMo: bah.. |
| 20:05:12 | [-George-] | in OZ, it takes a toss as to go UP or DOWN! :) |
| 20:05:14 | kergoth | oGMo: like right now.. evas2 requires a macro i dont have.. |
| 20:05:15 | oGMo | i've been using 2.53 or whatever for awhile without problems |
| 20:05:21 | kergoth | oGMo: yeah i use 2.53 also |
| 20:05:31 | kergoth | oGMo: I hate trying to find macros i dont have.. googling |
| 20:05:41 | oGMo | kergoth: what macro does it want? |
| 20:05:52 | oGMo | kergoth: and did you upgrade with packages, or from source? |
| 20:05:55 | kergoth | PKG_CHECK_MODULES |
| 20:06:02 | oGMo | hrm |
| 20:06:15 | kergoth | I THINK its provided by the pkg-config package.. |
| 20:06:32 | oGMo | 'tis |
| 20:06:47 | oGMo | likely you need to use the following aclocal flags: |
| 20:07:18 | oGMo | aclocal --acdir=/usr/local/share/aclocal-1.6 -I /usr/local/share/aclocal -I /usr/share/aclocal |
| 20:07:39 | oGMo | run that, then automake -a, then autoconf, and see if the problem goes away |
| 20:08:30 | kergoth | trying.. |
| 20:08:41 | whardier | there is no hardware accell in evas2 yet? |
| 20:08:42 | kergoth | you know, i really hate it when people use AC_TRY_RUN without specifying a default for crosscompiling. |
| 20:08:50 | oGMo | if you don't have pkgconfig, you will of course need to get it |
| 20:08:57 | kergoth | whardier: no idea, its still in active develkopment.. i saw commits today.. |
| 20:09:01 | kergoth | oGMo: yeah i have pkgconfig |
| 20:09:06 | kergoth | wheee |
| 20:09:08 | whardier | all I see is directfb/fb/X11 |
| 20:09:10 | kergoth | oGMo: thanks :-) |
| 20:09:11 | [-George-] | shoots OZ |
| 20:09:18 | kergoth | shoots george |
| 20:09:20 | [-George-] | DIE DIE DIE |
| 20:09:22 | oGMo | kergoth: i figured, likely the problem is due to the 2.5x crossover and old macros |
| 20:09:26 | oGMo | kergoth: np |
| 20:09:28 | whardier | this could get interesting |
| 20:09:42 | scanline | rummages in the closet for extra flamesuits |
| 20:09:44 | [-George-] | shoots kergoth |
| 20:10:10 | nadav | shoots * |
| 20:10:12 | kergoth | beats george over the head with his intel sa1110 reference manual |
| 20:10:20 | kergoth | hm |
| 20:10:21 | kergoth | coffee |
| 20:10:22 | kergoth | yeah |
| 20:10:23 | kergoth | thats good |
| 20:10:33 | [-George-] | beats kergoth with a Sun SPARC III reference manual |
| 20:10:41 | whardier | hehehe |
| 20:11:02 | ljp_ | there's WAY too much violence on this channel |
| 20:11:04 | whardier | you are a bunch of homies |
| 20:11:18 | kergoth | ljp_: is ! |
| 20:11:23 | kergoth | ljp_: not! |
| 20:11:34 | [-George-] | LOL |
| 20:11:35 | kergoth | shoots ljp |
| 20:11:36 | oGMo | fired. |
| 20:11:51 | whardier | wet time |
| 20:11:59 | kergoth | dork head? |
| 20:12:01 | kergoth | oh my lord |
| 20:12:01 | Rince | George: go away |
| 20:12:07 | [-George-] | --- Received a CTCP WE_RUN_LINUX_YOU_DORK from whardier (to #zaurus) |
| 20:12:29 | [-George-] | yeh, ok |
| 20:12:37 | [-George-] | you get it? |
| 20:12:53 | kergoth | yes, dork is valid. dork head is valid for my 12 year old brother, and thats about it |
| 20:12:58 | kergoth | whee evas2 compiled for me too |
| 20:12:59 | kergoth | fun |
| 20:13:08 | ljp_ | whardier: sit down in the corner. kergoth: get back to work on that kernel. George: sit in the corner opposite whardier |
| 20:13:16 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:13:16 | [-George-] | heh, ok |
| 20:13:19 | kergoth | yes dad |
| 20:13:22 | [-George-] | kergoth: yeh, well |
| 20:13:35 | [-George-] | ljp_: REBELLION! |
| 20:14:29 | Sniper | how hard is it would be to make a vt100 emulator for the Z |
| 20:14:31 | Sniper | ? |
| 20:14:41 | scanline | hides in some code |
| 20:14:58 | kergoth | Sniper: heh. not very hard at all. |
| 20:15:01 | [-George-] | Sniper: EmbeddedKonsole is a VT100 emu iirc |
| 20:15:05 | ljp_ | doesnt embeddedkonsole do that? |
| 20:15:07 | kergoth | yeah, it does. |
| 20:15:09 | Sniper | where can i download |
| 20:15:10 | Sniper | ? |
| 20:15:12 | scanline | Sniper: linux console works too :) |
| 20:15:17 | kergoth | hehe. |
| 20:15:31 | treke | maybe he wants it to work as a serial terminal |
| 20:15:38 | ljp_ | there's on e at myzaurus |
| 20:15:43 | Sniper | not the terminal app |
| 20:15:50 | Sniper | but an actual vt100 emulator.. (GUI) |
| 20:15:54 | kergoth | Sniper: ? |
| 20:16:03 | whardier | I should add aspect -vop support to mplayer today |
| 20:16:03 | treke | kergoth: He wants a gui minicom |
| 20:16:06 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:16:12 | ljp_ | sniper: I think there is one at myzaurus, but its expensive |
| 20:16:13 | treke | kinda like cloud chaser :) |
| 20:16:13 | Sniper | gui version... yes :-) |
| 20:16:18 | Sniper | really? let me look |
| 20:16:26 | treke | Sniper: put it on the developer challenge |
| 20:16:34 | Sniper | thats what i was thinking if we didnt have one |
| 20:16:37 | kergoth | treke: yeah, its valid... minicom is pretty shitty even for console imho. |
| 20:16:43 | Sniper | we haev over 60 people signed for the challenge |
| 20:17:00 | treke | Sniper: What does a crossed off entry on the page mean? |
| 20:17:07 | treke | a beta has been submitted? |
| 20:17:19 | whardier | hmm |
| 20:17:23 | Sniper | it means that we have received an overwelling amount of registrants for that app |
| 20:17:25 | whardier | making an sdl canvas for evas would be funky |
| 20:17:31 | treke | Sniper: ah |
| 20:17:37 | treke | Reckon I ought to hurry on mine then :) |
| 20:17:37 | whardier | I am just curious on how external applications would use evas2 |
| 20:17:41 | kergoth | whardier: heh, how many layers do you need :-) |
| 20:17:46 | Sniper | treke: what's yours? |
| 20:17:51 | kergoth | whardier: read the pdf :-P |
| 20:17:55 | treke | the vnc viewer. |
| 20:17:57 | whardier | will do kergoth |
| 20:18:01 | Sniper | treke: multilanguage support? |
| 20:18:09 | whardier | the thing is.. with an SDL canvas you could run mplayer right in it.. really quick |
| 20:18:15 | kergoth | whardier: hehe |
| 20:18:16 | whardier | underneath layers |
| 20:18:19 | kergoth | whardier: thatd be fun |
| 20:18:23 | whardier | that would be quite smooth |
| 20:18:25 | warmi | hmm . somebody is doing "1st person flight simulator" .. interesting |
| 20:18:29 | scanline | does evas do color space conversion yet? |
| 20:18:32 | kergoth | whardier: course you'd be best off making mplayer support it natively |
| 20:18:33 | whardier | mplayer already has support for rotating its display and eveerything |
| 20:18:42 | whardier | kergoth: most likely |
| 20:18:58 | whardier | that way its transparent when hardware accell support jumps in |
| 20:18:59 | Sniper | shoot.. not vt100 emulator for the Z |
| 20:19:00 | NetAmp | I was wondering... why would you need a replacement Startup Screen as you (usually) rarely see it? ;) :P :D |
| 20:19:06 | treke | Sniper: Not sure. It looks like it might be a limitzation of the server |
| 20:19:18 | kergoth | Sniper: ? |
| 20:19:22 | Oriumpor | blah blah |
| 20:19:25 | Sniper | treke: ok.. that was one of the beefs we had with the current vnc viewers.. |
| 20:19:30 | Oriumpor | chants must get new rom image |
| 20:19:31 | warmi | NetAmp: cause that's the only thing that can be replaced at this point ? |
| 20:19:32 | Sniper | kergoth: ?? |
| 20:19:34 | treke | Sniper: You have a list of beefs? |
| 20:19:36 | Oriumpor | must find memory card |
| 20:19:37 | NetAmp | warmi: hah! ;) |
| 20:19:40 | treke | has a number also |
| 20:19:51 | Sniper | treke: well its more like the guy in Japan has the beef |
| 20:20:09 | Oriumpor | treke: what kinda beefs they talkin about? |
| 20:20:18 | NetAmp | OK I got a clear answer to my so useless question ;) heh, l8r *yawn* |
| 20:20:21 | NetAmp | goes to sleep |
| 20:20:24 | Sniper | kergoth: i need a vt100 emulator, support for vt220, sco, ansi, etc. and if it could be a gui securt CRT that would be awesome... |
| 20:20:28 | whardier | kergoth: the standard evas doc? |
| 20:20:37 | whardier | are evas1 and 2 of the same blood? |
| 20:20:40 | Oriumpor | gui Secure CRT? |
| 20:20:45 | Oriumpor | isn't secure crt ssh? |
| 20:20:49 | Sniper | gui secure ssh |
| 20:20:56 | Oriumpor | ?? |
| 20:20:58 | Sniper | gui based! all in one |
| 20:21:10 | Oriumpor | gross :P |
| 20:21:17 | scanline | Sniper: it's really probably a lot easier to pull up an embeddedkonsole and use the ssh command |
| 20:21:22 | Sniper | stores profiles etc. etc. |
| 20:21:47 | treke | Sniper: any recommendations for testing multi language support? I've only got an english keyboard |
| 20:21:59 | Oriumpor | Sniper: echo ssh -l oriumpor -p1000 server.somewhere.com >profile.ssh |
| 20:22:10 | Sniper | scanline: yeah, i know.. but some people like their gui apps |
| 20:22:21 | scanline | GUIs are overrated :) |
| 20:22:28 | Sniper | treke: the guy in japan was running japanese widoze.. and said it didnt work right |
| 20:22:55 | Oriumpor | Sniper: vnc? |
| 20:23:06 | Sniper | yeah. vnc server on his japanese windoze |
| 20:23:11 | treke | hmm. I think someone here runs japanese windows... I'll get them to try |
| 20:23:15 | Oriumpor | treke's distro? |
| 20:23:22 | treke | Oriumpor: debian |
| 20:23:42 | Oriumpor | and was that guy using the package you made? |
| 20:23:52 | Oriumpor | with the swapped defaults? |
| 20:24:04 | Oriumpor | it's a pain in the butt otherwise |
| 20:24:21 | treke | yes |
| 20:24:27 | treke | and then I fixed the root of the problem |
| 20:24:33 | Oriumpor | really? |
| 20:24:34 | treke | keypebble couldnt render 16bit color |
| 20:24:37 | Oriumpor | doh |
| 20:24:56 | treke | so if you didnt force 8 bit mode and connected to a 16 bit server, it would automatically fill the screen with black |
| 20:25:08 | Oriumpor | or really cool psychadelics |
| 20:25:16 | Sniper | can you add b/w ? |
| 20:25:21 | treke | thats probably broken 32 bit color |
| 20:25:26 | Oriumpor | probably |
| 20:25:37 | treke | b/w? probably. The server has to be able to send black and white though |
| 20:25:51 | treke | if not it wont save much on bandwitdh |
| 20:26:15 | Oriumpor | bw? |
| 20:26:23 | Oriumpor | wouldn't you rather use ssh? |
| 20:26:38 | Oriumpor | same concept |
| 20:26:43 | Oriumpor | cept you get ascii! |
| 20:27:06 | Neo|Work | scanline: for SSH on a handheld, a gui might be very nice. :) |
| 20:27:48 | VerxWork | treke: I do have the problem on the current feed |
| 20:28:00 | treke | Sniper: A higher concern for me is the server with scaling support that the palm uses. Would be more usable and faster |
| 20:28:11 | Sniper | black white |
| 20:28:13 | VerxWork | treke: You need to have NOTHING in iqnotes when you start through the test case |
| 20:28:31 | VerxWork | if you have other items in iqnotes, it won't exhibit itself the same way |
| 20:28:34 | Sniper | treke: ?? |
| 20:29:01 | Oriumpor | treke: autorotate would be good as well, so you could use downscaling properly |
| 20:29:04 | treke | Sniper: There is a version of VNC that can scale down the destop on the server so you can see more and it uses less bandwidth |
| 20:29:05 | Neo|Work | I wonder how good FLAC would be as a generic binary data compressor |
| 20:29:34 | whardier | my cat emma has never had a bath |
| 20:29:51 | Oriumpor | treke: we've been blessed with 320x240, only thing is... some idiot put it on sideways |
| 20:29:56 | crackotter | BigBoss: To get ReCall to work on the Zaurus you need to download the Python ipk.. do you also need the Python_database ipk? |
| 20:29:57 | scanline | hmm.. is there a debian package for a python mode for emacs? |
| 20:30:16 | treke | Oriumpor: Well the problem with that is that not everyone has a keyboard, autorotate may be an option though |
| 20:30:45 | treke | Oriumpor: Specifically, the japanese version of the zaurus, and the ipaq |
| 20:30:53 | VerxWork | crackotter: The python_database ipk is not required |
| 20:31:01 | Neo|Work | not much it seems |
| 20:31:11 | scanline | doh.. found it- python-elisp |
| 20:31:33 | Oriumpor | treke: still, if you use the pickboard/vkb youve got an even wierder area |
| 20:32:11 | crackotter | VerxWork: When I try to make a new fuke the Zaurus says "Can not Save File" then it brings my to the database dailog.. |
| 20:32:14 | treke | Oriumpor: But a lot of people have no other choice. Which is why I might make rotating an option, but not guaranteed. That's something that might be better left to the launcher |
| 20:32:35 | Oriumpor | true enough |
| 20:32:37 | VerxWork | crackotter: Did you install the python ipk they provide? Or a different one? |
| 20:32:39 | whardier | watches the 5th element upsidedown |
| 20:32:59 | | somebody said rom was Read Only Memory |
| 20:32:59 | darienm | ibot rom |
| 20:33:03 | | darienm: i'm not following you... |
| 20:33:03 | darienm | ibot update |
| 20:33:07 | | darienm: excuse me? |
| 20:33:07 | darienm | ibot upgrade |
| 20:33:07 | crackotter | VerxWork: I installed Recall first then got the python ipk they linked to and installed it |
| 20:33:11 | | darienm: sorry... |
| 20:33:11 | darienm | ibot newrom |
| 20:33:12 | treke | Oriumpor: Pluss then I have to be able to rotate for leftys or else they get pissed :) |
| 20:33:14 | | darienm: what? |
| 20:33:14 | darienm | ibot new rom |
| 20:33:20 | | darienm: sorry... |
| 20:33:20 | darienm | ibot get smarter |
| 20:33:22 | kergoth | darienm: dood. myzaurus.com/. |
| 20:33:24 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:33:33 | darienm | what's the specific URL, I know ibot knows it |
| 20:33:33 | Oriumpor | treke screw em there's more righties than lefties : P |
| 20:33:41 | Oriumpor | we can kick their butts if they complain |
| 20:33:45 | kergoth | darienm: ibot needs to be able to search the factoids |
| 20:33:47 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:34:06 | scanline | uses his lefty jedi powers on Oriumpor |
| 20:34:52 | Oriumpor | suddenly likes lefties, and chocolate |
| 20:35:00 | Oriumpor | mmm.... |
| 20:35:01 | scanline | >:) |
| 20:35:02 | Oriumpor | lefties |
| 20:35:25 | scanline | uses more jedi powers to remove any cannibalistic urges Oriumpor might have |
| 20:36:14 | warmi | treke|home: so have you decided about supporthing scaling in your VNC client ? |
| 20:38:17 | VerxWork | is there a vnc server for the ipaq 38xx? |
| 20:38:22 | warmi | noidd: hi |
| 20:38:25 | VerxWork | (one that doesn't rotate everything) |
| 20:38:36 | warmi | noidd: are you taking part in that Sharps challenge ? |
| 20:38:37 | VerxWork | should be fast enough to do on the PC side |
| 20:39:04 | noidd | hey warmi |
| 20:39:09 | warmi | VerxHome: server ? |
| 20:39:12 | VerxWork | yeah |
| 20:39:17 | VerxWork | I wanna control my ipaq from my PC |
| 20:39:24 | noidd | warmi: No, I doubt I can get up to speed in C++ and Qt fast enough honestly. |
| 20:39:45 | warmi | have you tried the ZAurus binary ? |
| 20:39:51 | Oriumpor | there are 7! deb iso's? |
| 20:40:06 | warmi | noidd: nobody said you have to use C++ .. it needs to be Qtopia + qte ... |
| 20:40:12 | noidd | warmi: if however I can get the perl Qt libraries to compile - I may enter that way. |
| 20:40:18 | VerxWork | warmi: The 3800 has a rotated screen |
| 20:40:26 | warmi | noidd: oh .. you still having problems with that .. |
| 20:40:29 | kergoth | VerxWork: so you just need a rotated fbvncserver, right |
| 20:40:30 | VerxWork | so when I use that binary, everything is going to be rotated on the PC side |
| 20:40:38 | VerxWork | kergoth: Precisely |
| 20:40:42 | noidd | warmi: yeah - if it compiled I would be coding furiously |
| 20:41:08 | noidd | warmi: I have like 2-3 years of Gtk application dev behind me... so migrating to Qt under perl would be a doddle. |
| 20:41:11 | warmi | VerxHome: then modify your Windows client to rotate shite in opposite direction or something like that :-) |
| 20:41:13 | | i heard debian was a Linux-Distribution (http://www.debian.org) or very cool |
| 20:41:13 | Oriumpor | ibot debian? |
| 20:41:36 | warmi | noidd: yeah .. see, I did not even know people used Perl to code GTK apps |
| 20:41:36 | Oriumpor | sighs |
| 20:41:40 | Oriumpor | that... I knew |
| 20:41:52 | | okay, scanline. |
| 20:41:52 | scanline | ibot: debian is also the best thing since sliced macaroni and cheese |
| 20:42:00 | | Sniper: what? |
| 20:42:00 | Sniper | ibot sharp |
| 20:42:10 | noidd | warmi: yeah ... did some really cool shit too. Take a look at pronto: http://www.muhri.net/pronto |
| 20:42:32 | noidd | warmi: its very very similer to evolution / outlook - email client. |
| 20:42:42 | noidd | warmi: functionally much better (faster too) :-) |
| 20:43:10 | warmi | noidd: whoa .. you wrote this entire app in Perl ? |
| 20:43:35 | warmi | noidd: well, one would be hard pressed to find something slower than evolution .. :-) |
| 20:43:37 | noidd | warmi: I didn't write all of it..... |
| 20:44:11 | noidd | warmi: I was responsible for the core in its previous iteration. I've kinda stepped back a bit from it now. Busy with other things. |
| 20:44:42 | noidd | warmi: I did most of the code cleanup when it went from hack to structured. Unfortunatly, it needs another cleanup :-) |
| 20:44:55 | warmi | noidd: well, I was just surprised in general ... people writing perl GUI apps .. but it is just me |
| 20:45:01 | warmi | hehe ... |
| 20:45:03 | noidd | warmi: its damn fast tho... plus - it has *full* freetext search through gigs of email... all done in seconds. |
| 20:45:07 | Neo|Work | Evolution has nice functionality but man is it slow |
| 20:45:24 | Neo|Work | HRM! I so wish there was an easy way to install libraries in Qtopia apps |
| 20:45:29 | noidd | warmi: thing is, what do you need the speed of C for? apart from the graphical stuff |
| 20:45:45 | Neo|Work | i.e, with one ipk, install a shared library used by more than one app |
| 20:45:53 | noidd | warmi: your app spends 99.9% of time idling waiting for X events anyways |
| 20:46:13 | noidd | get the scheduling right... and a well written perl app will keep up with a C app |
| 20:46:19 | Neo|Work | problem is you need two packages for that today |
| 20:46:22 | Neo|Work | and that's an issue |
| 20:46:33 | Neo|Work | when it comes to user friendliness |
| 20:46:44 | warmi | noidd: I know .. it just all comes back to my hatred of Perl .. I know high level languages are very capable these days |
| 20:46:51 | noidd | warmi: i'm still kinda proud of my contribution to pronto... but i'm sure most of my stuff is patched out tho - lol - it evolved. |
| 20:47:14 | Neo|Work | I would be happy even having the libraries in an application specific location with a copy for each app, but that requires a script that sets LD_LIBRARY_PATH... |
| 20:47:39 | warmi | noidd: I don't need C for my app .. on the other hand ,well written C++ + a powerfull framework lib is not all that much different than coding in high level language |
| 20:47:58 | noidd | warmi: C is a better language for doing most things... its just harder, more prone to bugs and slower to develop under. |
| 20:48:24 | BigBoss | or you could use Kobol |
| 20:48:28 | noidd | development time wise, you cant beat perl |
| 20:48:44 | noidd | warmi: I wrote a full perl application in my tutorial at YAPC::Europe |
| 20:48:59 | Neo|Work | perl for applications just gives me shivers |
| 20:49:03 | warmi | sure ... but , as I said, well written C++ allows for all kinds of fancy stuff like QString bla="something"+anotherQString+QString::toNumber(int) etc ... |
| 20:49:06 | Neo|Work | python, pike sure, but perl. eek |
| 20:49:11 | Neo|Work | or for that matter, PHP |
| 20:49:13 | scanline | hehe |
| 20:49:16 | warmi | almost like coding in Basic |
| 20:49:16 | kergoth | perl is best for hacking things together |
| 20:49:17 | warmi | hehe |
| 20:49:22 | kergoth | but it works wonderfully for that |
| 20:49:23 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:49:28 | kergoth | and for text parsing of course |
| 20:49:28 | noidd | Neo: then dont fly over UK airspace... certain airlines in the UK use my perl code for network management :-) |
| 20:49:34 | kergoth | noidd: hah |
| 20:49:38 | kergoth | i love php. |
| 20:49:41 | kergoth | php is nifty. |
| 20:49:46 | Neo|Work | noidd: I will try to remember that |
| 20:49:51 | warmi | kergoth`zzz: php is like interpreted C |
| 20:49:58 | Neo|Work | kergoth: so it might be, but not for SDL or GTK applications |
| 20:49:59 | noidd | in fact.... certain Uk airlines use my *X* applications, written in *Gtk.pm* |
| 20:50:05 | kergoth | Neo|Work: oh agreed |
| 20:50:10 | Neo|Work | PHP is like a mix of C and Perl |
| 20:50:26 | warmi | noidd: man .. you ARE serious about that Perl thingy ... |
| 20:50:27 | warmi | hehe |
| 20:50:30 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:50:41 | Neo|Work | it's starting to loose it's greatness as a webscriptinglanguage due to bloatness |
| 20:50:42 | noidd | warmi: I know its hard, but try to judge perl on the language itself... not the ugly code that crap programmers produce :-) |
| 20:50:57 | Neo|Work | it's becoming so large with so many third party modules that it's harder than ever to keep it secure |
| 20:51:07 | hunger | kergoth: I gave up on glibc 2.5.5 for now. |
| 20:51:11 | noidd | warmi: yeah, I spent 12 months writing X applications in perl for a very large airline. |
| 20:51:17 | kergoth | hunger: hehe. i dont blame you.. i tried that once myself |
| 20:51:32 | Neo|Work | noidd: problem is, Perl invites ugly code by using just about every ascii-character as a magic one-character commands and variables |
| 20:51:36 | noidd | warmi: did you look at the screenshots? |
| 20:51:40 | nadav | heh |
| 20:51:51 | kergoth | Neo|Work: well, anyone can throw something together in perl.. it invites hacks |
| 20:51:55 | kergoth | Neo|Work: hence the problem |
| 20:51:57 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:52:02 | warmi | noidd: yeah .. I even saw your name listed on credits dialog |
| 20:52:02 | noidd | warmi: not only does it do html email, but also has its own Mozilla based web browser :-) |
| 20:52:08 | hunger | kergoth: I think I know what is causing the problem building that, but then it takes just too long to build it. |
| 20:52:19 | warmi_meeting | got to go for a meeting |
| 20:52:20 | noidd | warmi: all the stuff that needs to be fast in C... all the stuff that needs to be slow in perl. |
| 20:52:24 | noidd | ok, later |
| 20:52:25 | warmi_meeting | see you later |
| 20:52:32 | kergoth | Neo|Work: when i needed to code some automation for the backend of a web site, i wrote it in perl, with no background it in previously..heh talk about ugly codee :-) |
| 20:52:34 | kergoth | BZFlag: hey tim |
| 20:52:36 | toolafial | isn't in funny: you buy a nice new big hard drive and you say to your self wow, I won't ever fill that thing up, then two days later the drive is full |
| 20:52:37 | Neo|Work | "needs to be slow" <-- hah! |
| 20:52:46 | Neo|Work | "man, this UI is a bit too fast - lets make it slower" |
| 20:52:46 | kergoth | toolafial: i hate that. |
| 20:52:49 | kergoth | Neo|Work: lol |
| 20:53:03 | noidd | anyways - I was here to give you all bad (or good) news. |
| 20:53:04 | hunger | toolafial: How do you do that?! |
| 20:53:12 | Neo|Work | toolafial: it's a natural law of computers |
| 20:53:16 | hunger | toolafial: I never managed to fill up a harddrive so far! |
| 20:53:18 | noidd | I lost the main drive on my Z dev machine, so i'm going to be offline for a few days. |
| 20:53:20 | toolafial | dvd's video mp3's etc etc etc |
| 20:53:31 | Neo|Work | noidd: that always sucks |
| 20:53:36 | noidd | so, thats either good news or bad news for you - depending if you think i'm usefull or a pain in the ass :-) |
| 20:53:39 | treke | Sniper: Just tried the windows vnc viewer on windows and it didnt work right |
| 20:53:45 | hunger | has 8GB of his 30GB harddrive lieing around unformated. |
| 20:53:57 | kergoth | My 170mb hard drive got filled so fast when i bought it.. that was disappointing |
| 20:54:14 | hunger | kergoth: 170MB is not much. |
| 20:54:26 | noidd | i'll be around in a few days |
| 20:54:28 | noidd | later all |
| 20:54:30 | noidd | waves |
| 20:54:33 | nadav | later noidd |
| 20:54:34 | toolafial | see I have a 40Gb hard drive and just the other day i realized that I had 7.5Gb unformatted, boy was I surprised when I found that |
| 20:54:53 | kergoth | hunger: it was at the time :-) |
| 20:55:26 | hunger | kergoth: My homedir alone is over 5GB:-) |
| 20:55:36 | nadav | heh |
| 20:55:42 | toolafial | boy there sure are a lot of warnings when compiling my suse kernel |
| 20:55:51 | crackotter | Ok.. I feel like a idiot.. I know Recall does not have a built in DB .. so do I have to use MySQL?? <which I have only used in some PHP apps I built> |
| 20:56:01 | kergoth | hunger: i ran a grand total of 8gb on my desktop for a long, long time... until about 6 months ago actually |
| 20:56:03 | treke | crackotter: It has xbase built in |
| 20:56:11 | BigBoss | it includes xbase by default |
| 20:56:19 | BigBoss | you can install and use mysql or postgresql if you want |
| 20:56:46 | BigBoss | xbase is small, fast and doesn't need a server deamon |
| 20:56:47 | crackotter | <nod> But how do I use the XBase to create a new DB? |
| 20:56:53 | BigBoss | just do it |
| 20:56:57 | crackotter | <laugh> |
| 20:56:57 | Oriumpor | friggen |
| 20:57:01 | Oriumpor | BB died |
| 20:57:03 | BigBoss | did you go through the doc yet? It's like 100 pages or something |
| 20:57:03 | Oriumpor | wth? |
| 20:57:13 | BigBoss | i've actually gotta run |
| 20:57:20 | BigBoss | set the type to xbase, and create a database |
| 20:58:18 | crackotter | Yeah .. going through it now.. but the Recall won't let me create a .rkl file .. says "Unable to save" which is weird since the Z runs as root |
| 20:58:34 | crackotter | cool .. I will ask L8tr |
| 20:58:43 | BigBoss | you can ask on our customer list too |
| 20:59:05 | BigBoss | if Verxioin is in here, he was a beta tester and darienm is a power user of it (getting there anyway) |
| 20:59:06 | crackotter | <nod> will do.. |
| 20:59:07 | darienm | BZFlag: I talked to Tangent earlier, he said if I give you a module to add to ibot that you could put it in. |
| 20:59:19 | darienm | Aww, thanks. <blush> |
| 20:59:34 | BigBoss | bbl |
| 20:59:34 | darienm | I hope to be a power user after a few more hours, anyway. |
| 20:59:42 | darienm | Only a few things I haven't done. |
| 21:00:15 | darienm | crackotter: I'd be happy to try and help you out with any Rekall issues. |
| 21:01:00 | crackotter | darienm: Thanx.. for Xbase.. where it asks for server.. do I use 127.0.0.1 ?? |
| 21:01:20 | Neo|Work | BigBoss: you should add FLAC support to tkcPlayer. :) It only compressed 50% but decompression is about as fast as loading the file wthout compression. :) |
| 21:02:23 | Neo|Work | Hard disk space in MB: Total: 177033, Used: 79044, Available: 97733 (55%) |
| 21:02:25 | Neo|Work | on my main box that i |
| 21:02:27 | Neo|Work | s |
| 21:02:54 | darienm | crackotter: booting it up... |
| 21:03:26 | Neo|Work | plus a 10 GB NTFS partition that is not mounted |
| 21:04:36 | jmhodges | hey folks |
| 21:06:59 | scanline | hello |
| 21:07:23 | [-George-] | hi |
| 21:07:38 | jmhodges | hey guys :) |
| 21:07:47 | jmhodges | thanks .. was wondering what happened to the room |
| 21:07:59 | darienm | crackotter: Are you there |
| 21:08:22 | kergoth | hey jmhodges |
| 21:08:31 | crackotter | darienm: Yep Yep |
| 21:08:31 | jmhodges | hey kergoth |
| 21:09:18 | darienm | crackotter: when you make a 'new' database from the 'file' menu, and name it. Then go back to 'file' and 'open' the database. it will be called 'unnamed' initially. But there is nothing you need to change in the 'servers' tab at all. |
| 21:09:27 | darienm | crackotter: you can go directly to 'tables' and start... |
| 21:09:50 | darienm | crackotter: well, in 'servers' make sure to select the 'unnamed' item from the drop down list |
| 21:11:13 | crackotter | darienm: trying that right now |
| 21:11:18 | cdm | sweet stuff. |
| 21:11:33 | treke | Sniper: Bad news. Looks like a limitation of vnc |
| 21:11:39 | Sniper | cdm: hi |
| 21:11:46 | Sniper | treke: darn.. |
| 21:11:54 | darienm | huh? limitation of vnc? whats that? |
| 21:11:55 | Sniper | cdm: did u get the 'goods'? ;-) |
| 21:12:04 | cdm | Sniper: yepper. |
| 21:12:15 | kergoth | hey cdm |
| 21:12:22 | treke | Sniper: the protocol sends X Keysyms across the wire. And the Windows Server can only translate a few common ones. |
| 21:13:16 | treke | darienm: Multiple language support for vncviewer |
| 21:13:25 | darienm | ahh. |
| 21:13:44 | crackotter | darienm: Ok.. restarted.. clicked on "make a new database" .. typed in "test" and got a response "Cannot save Database //test.rkl" |
| 21:13:50 | Sniper | treke: hmmm thats bad |
| 21:14:01 | treke | yeah :( |
| 21:14:09 | darienm | crackotter: you have to navigate to a directory and select the folder icon where you want it saved |
| 21:14:17 | darienm | crackotter: the default location is outside the filesystem |
| 21:14:22 | darienm | crackotter: dont ask me why |
| 21:15:05 | crackotter | darienm: Does it matter where?? can I use '/root' for example?? |
| 21:15:20 | darienm | crackotter: /home/root is better |
| 21:15:21 | kergoth | crackotter: it'll have to be writable, which /root isnt :-P |
| 21:16:24 | crackotter | darienm: cool it worked.. now I just have to figure out how to create a DB in XBASE :) |
| 21:17:09 | crackotter | darienm: Ok now I select new and I have 'Server:<unamed>' |
| 21:17:28 | darienm | crackotter: You just did create a DB in Xbase. An empty one. |
| 21:17:39 | warmi | man .. soon there won't be any apps left in the Sharps challenge |
| 21:17:45 | darienm | crackotter:the unnamed item is EXACTLY what you want, go to 'tables' and you should be able to begin. |
| 21:18:11 | treke | hmm, will they tell you if someone else submits the app you are working on before you? |
| 21:18:34 | Sniper | we took 2-3 people for each app |
| 21:18:38 | Sniper | so their may be dups |
| 21:18:44 | cxm | warmi I hear they are all gone |
| 21:19:00 | Sniper | we received a huge response.. we'll add more later |
| 21:19:07 | Neo|Work | Sniper: so the contest works simply by submitting an (working) app you get a 5000D? |
| 21:19:09 | treke | ah so it isnt a race to get the Zaurus first? |
| 21:19:12 | Neo|Work | what is the incentive to finish it? |
| 21:19:16 | Sniper | the big one we want is a VT100, VT220, ansi, and secure shell emulator |
| 21:19:21 | Sniper | neo: yes |
| 21:19:38 | Sniper | well thats the trust.. we hope they'll finish the app once they receive the 5000D |
| 21:19:43 | cxm | Sniper what about the supply of 5000Ds running out? |
| 21:19:49 | kergoth | Sniper: so securecrt for the Z, eh |
| 21:19:53 | Sniper | cxm: i have onl limited supply |
| 21:19:53 | kergoth | thatd be nifty |
| 21:20:07 | Sniper | kergoth: yes .. securecrt for the Z .. build it and I'll send you a 5000D |
| 21:20:12 | crackotter | darienm: Does XBase support anytype of excrption for the DB?? or a user and and password like MySQl? |
| 21:20:13 | Sniper | or maybe a 5500 hehehe |
| 21:20:24 | cxm | I think the shell would be easy |
| 21:20:34 | kergoth | cxm: indeed |
| 21:20:37 | darienm | crackotter: this is my first experience with XBase as well, I dunno. |
| 21:20:45 | Sniper | any takers?/? |
| 21:20:50 | kergoth | cxm: well, the ssh implementation ... thatd be more of a challenge, the terminal emulation is easy |
| 21:20:51 | Sniper | kergoth: want to try? |
| 21:21:03 | cxm | I'd do it for a scooby snack ;-P |
| 21:21:16 | kergoth | Sniper: let me peruse my todo list and see if i have time, i'm still porting the Z's 2.4.6 -> 2.5.26-rmk1 -> 2.4.19 |
| 21:21:26 | Sniper | cxm: deal.. scooby and scrappy snack |
| 21:21:33 | treke | kergoth: You could use plain openssh inside the terminal... |
| 21:21:43 | VerxWork | treke: Do you have an agenda? |
| 21:21:44 | kergoth | treke: yeah thatd be easiest |
| 21:21:49 | treke | VerxWork: nope |
| 21:21:55 | VerxWork | just curious |
| 21:21:59 | treke | kergoth: The gui part would be configuration :) |
| 21:22:08 | kergoth | yep |
| 21:22:09 | kergoth | easy |
| 21:22:11 | treke | VerxWork: Looked kinda cool, but didnt have the money to spend on a pda |
| 21:22:13 | Sniper | OK any takers??? |
| 21:22:17 | kergoth | lol |
| 21:22:19 | kergoth | relax spencer :-) |
| 21:22:22 | Sniper | Before it gets posted to the website tomorrow |
| 21:22:22 | crackotter | darienm: Well thanx for the help.. I will play around with it from here |
| 21:22:36 | treke | he wants the terminal emulator bad :) |
| 21:22:46 | Sniper | i want it BAAAADDD! |
| 21:22:49 | darienm | crackotter: no problem |
| 21:22:50 | toolafial | Sniper : sorry I missed it takers for what? |
| 21:22:51 | BZFlag | darienm: sure. email tim@rikers.org |
| 21:23:02 | darienm | BZFlag: thanks, gimme 1-2 days |
| 21:23:11 | kergoth | toolafial: terminal emulator + ssh implementation for Z, ala secureCRT |
| 21:23:14 | warmi | Sniper: if you have 2 people working on the same type of app ... each one of them gets the Z ? |
| 21:23:20 | Neo|Work | can't enter the contest. |
| 21:23:25 | hunger | Sniper: I allready have a 5500, why should I work to get a 5000? |
| 21:23:26 | darienm | BZFlag: I'll have already tested it on my own infobot |
| 21:23:28 | Neo|Work | so don't look at me for help. :P |
| 21:23:30 | treke | Neo|Work: Your wife could... :) |
| 21:23:40 | toolafial | oh |
| 21:23:46 | Cam___ | my cat said he wanted to enter the contest... |
| 21:23:51 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:24:02 | Cam___ | & I don't have a cat |
| 21:24:02 | warmi | treke|home: yeah .. ljps cats are busy coding for this "challenge" so I am sure Neos wife could enter as well .. |
| 21:24:16 | Cam___ | brb |
| 21:24:34 | kergoth | I need a clone |
| 21:24:35 | BZFlag | darienm: cool. I'll still review it. I'm thinking of starting a CVS tree for infobot as may patches on SF are still sitting there. |
| 21:24:36 | hunger | Sniper: How about upping to a A300? |
| 21:25:00 | Sniper | warmi: yeeah |
| 21:25:04 | kergoth | hunger: I think they're looking to dump stuff that isnt worth that much anymore and simultaniously fill the app void. heh |
| 21:25:44 | Neo|Work | it's more of a "we have some 5000D's left and instead of failing to sell them, let's have a little contest" :) |
| 21:25:59 | kergoth | yeh |
| 21:26:15 | Sniper | kergoth: Haha.. i wish.. basically here's the deal.. I had some 5000Ds in my office.. i was going to send them back to the warehouse. but i fought to keep them and offfer them to our developers. |
| 21:26:38 | Sniper | our group gets credited for the devices.. |
| 21:26:40 | warmi | so far , it looks like it was a pretty good idea .. people responded well |
| 21:26:47 | kergoth | yes, i agree. good idea. |
| 21:27:01 | Sniper | but its an admin nightmare |
| 21:27:27 | Sniper | the units are literally sitting in my cube.. and i wish i could get the 5500s.. but I cant.. |
| 21:27:30 | warmi | kergoth`zzz: I am helping out br33zy to win his 5000d |
| 21:27:31 | warmi | hehe |
| 21:27:42 | Sniper | the response has been so good that I'm going to run out of units.. <gulp> |
| 21:27:53 | treke | Sniper: It's great that you were able to do this much |
| 21:28:18 | warmi | well, you can always run up to your local BB and get some 5500 for the remaining lucky few ... |
| 21:28:20 | warmi | hehe |
| 21:29:07 | Sniper | warmi: i wish i had a budget for that... basically this is what im going to do.. when we get to the end of the contest and if i run out of product.. i am going to show my boss all these cool new apps and tell him that if he wants them all finished to give me more product |
| 21:29:15 | Cam___ | I'm helping out a couple of guys who will be new to Z development |
| 21:29:19 | Sniper | its much easier to ask for something when i can show something |
| 21:29:26 | hunger | Sniper: Yes, thanks for getting the units to hand to developers. |
| 21:29:27 | warmi | Sniper: agreed |
| 21:29:34 | hunger | Sniper: ... but you can't lure me ;-) |
| 21:29:47 | Sniper | hunger: no prob.. go enroll in the JAva contest.. bigger prizes |
| 21:30:10 | treke | hehe, but it's a java contest :) |
| 21:30:12 | warmi | Sniper: yeah ... there is just one small problem .. Java sucks |
| 21:30:12 | treke | c++ is more fun |
| 21:30:15 | Cam___ | I have had two pieces of fan mail from my contest app so far!! That was quite a surprise to me |
| 21:30:17 | warmi | for doing GUI stuff anyway |
| 21:30:23 | treke | Cam___: what app is that? |
| 21:30:27 | Cam___ | Powerchord |
| 21:30:32 | treke | ah cool |
| 21:30:35 | hunger | Sniper: I am busy with such things as getting a make toolchain into OpneZaurus (which keeps getting ignored by kergoth of course), porting openGl to the Z and stuff like that. |
| 21:30:35 | Sniper | the developer challenge was never planned.. i just made it up..thats why the java contest has 'real' prizes |
| 21:30:40 | warmi | Cam_ got your laptop ? |
| 21:30:46 | hunger | Sniper: Not that Mesa does more then 1fps on the Z;-) |
| 21:30:52 | Cam___ | it's on its way, I hope |
| 21:30:53 | Sniper | Cam: Im working on your laptop and paperwork |
| 21:31:10 | Sniper | cam: it's paperwork nightmare |
| 21:31:21 | warmi | hunger: porting openGL ??? |
| 21:31:22 | Sniper | cam: because it has to get approved by 3 people |
| 21:31:35 | Cam___ | no probs Spencer. PS that mail about the customs 'commercial sample' thing might be a bum steer, I think the guy that told me it might not be 100% reliable |
| 21:31:35 | Sniper | cam: but I fought for the AR-50s.. hehe :-) |
| 21:31:41 | hunger | warmi: It works, but its dead slow. (no surprise there:-) |
| 21:31:52 | warmi | hunger: man ... are you using fixed point stuff for this |
| 21:32:02 | Cam___ | nice one Spencer (does everyone get one of those or only those that asked?) |
| 21:32:17 | hunger | warmi: Nope. I was just curious how the Z handles GL. |
| 21:32:19 | Sniper | cam: the europeans.. :-) |
| 21:32:25 | warmi | hunger: hehehehe |
| 21:32:25 | Cam___ | Thanks Sniper |
| 21:32:32 | hunger | warmi: It's Mesa out of the box. |
| 21:32:36 | kergoth | hunger: hehe. if you'd resend all your .mks for the toolchain, i'll add it back in |
| 21:32:43 | warmi | hunger: yeah... it is going to be slow then:-) |
| 21:32:50 | Cam___ | I was looking at the Personal Jave 1.2 spec |
| 21:33:02 | warmi | on the other hand trying to port it to fixed wouldn't be all that easy |
| 21:33:11 | Sniper | cam: no problem.. just keep hanging in there for the prizes.. i wont go and explain how much of a pain in the ass it is to get things approved around here |
| 21:33:14 | hunger | warmi: You can't really port Mesa to fixed point. |
| 21:33:17 | Cam___ | I think they have put in JNI since the 1.1 spec. So you could run native ARM code. |
| 21:33:21 | VerxWork | anyone here familiar with the zaurus challenge thingy? |
| 21:33:30 | VerxWork | do they restrict what language(s) you can develop in? |
| 21:33:30 | | rumour has it sniper is Sharp marketing drone |
| 21:33:30 | Sniper | ibot sniper |
| 21:33:42 | hunger | warmi: But I recently saw someone working on GL for embedded devices... I have not yet checked out the details. |
| 21:33:45 | Cam___ | Spencer - I work for Fujitsu so I have an idea of the bureaucracy of a multinational Japan based company - don't worry |
| 21:33:49 | Neo|Work | Sniper: the prices for the TT contest ? Wasn't that already approved prior to the contest finishign?! |
| 21:33:51 | Sniper | verxwork: Qt please or C/linux |
| 21:34:10 | Sniper | cam: ahh so you know about the Japanese thing.. everything has to get approved by Big Brother Japan.. |
| 21:34:21 | VerxWork | Sniper: ok. |
| 21:34:22 | Sniper | verxwork: if you do java go to http://www.insignia.com/jpda2002/ |
| 21:34:30 | Cam___ | well I'm a small techy guy so I don't do paperwork :P |
| 21:34:36 | VerxWork | I only have an ipaq to develop on right now |
| 21:34:40 | VerxWork | so I can't do java |
| 21:34:45 | Neo|Work | has no way to make a java app that can win something in time for the contest |
| 21:34:46 | warmi | hunger: why can't ?? you just h ave to make sure that all your fixed stuff is large enough to handle everthing without nasty math overruns |
| 21:35:00 | Cam___ | did no-one pick up on the significance of JNI in PJ1.2? |
| 21:35:33 | Cam___ | it might as well be a Zaurus assembler challenge |
| 21:35:36 | Sniper | brb |
| 21:35:36 | Cam___ | or C |
| 21:35:38 | VerxWork | Sniper: I wanted to make a D&D Character program (for people that play D&D) |
| 21:35:45 | Sniper | verxwork; do it |
| 21:35:47 | VerxWork | but that isn't an option - only D&D game |
| 21:35:51 | hunger | warmi: You can do this for small/well known models, but not for everything you can throw at GL. |
| 21:35:58 | Sniper | do people still play D&D? |
| 21:36:04 | VerxWork | heck yeah |
| 21:36:09 | VerxWork | look at the palm |
| 21:36:10 | Sniper | verxwork: i remember playing that has a kid |
| 21:36:20 | warmi | Sniper: in this Java contest .. they have this little rule " Entries must run on the HP iPAQ Pocket PC H3600, H3800, or H3900 and/or the Sharp Zaurus SL-5000D, SL-5500, or SL-A300. " |
| 21:36:24 | VerxWork | on palmgear, there are like 20 D&D apps to help with characters and such |
| 21:36:28 | hunger | still plays role playing games occasionally. |
| 21:36:38 | warmi | it is a bit confusing .... |
| 21:36:43 | Sniper | verxwork: can you make it more than just generating characters? |
| 21:36:46 | Sniper | warmi: tell me about it.. |
| 21:36:49 | Cam___ | warmi - to win you have to run on all platforms |
| 21:37:00 | warmi | I mean .. is it "and" or is it "or" |
| 21:37:10 | warmi | Cam_ are you sure ? |
| 21:37:13 | mrwoody | if i want to write a software for zaurus, do i need arm-linux-toolchain-current.tar.gz? |
| 21:37:13 | | somebody said contest was http://www.zaurus.com/dev/challenge/ or Java contest at http://www.insignia.com/jpda2002/ |
| 21:37:13 | Neo|Work | ibot contest |
| 21:37:15 | VerxWork | Sniper: Well, if I can truly choose my own title, I will think on it and write something a bit more widely usable |
| 21:37:15 | hunger | VerxWork: How about other systems? Could you write up something that can be configured to other games as well? |
| 21:37:17 | Cam___ | yes warmi absolutely sure |
| 21:37:22 | warmi | this "and/or" thing can go both ways |
| 21:37:30 | VerxWork | hunger: Yeah, that is what I have started |
| 21:37:35 | Cam___ | here is the relevant rule... |
| 21:37:36 | Sniper | verxwork: while you're at it.. make it work with WC3 too |
| 21:37:39 | VerxWork | hunger: Something designed for D20 games in general |
| 21:37:54 | warmi | mrwoody: http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/howtos/linux_compiler_setup_howto.shtml |
| 21:37:56 | VerxWork | but that could most likely be extended to any rpg like game |
| 21:37:59 | Sniper | verxwork: so i can play play my campaigns on it |
| 21:38:00 | hunger | VerxWork: Why only D20? |
| 21:38:16 | Cam___ | warmi: Finalists and winners for each English language-based category will be selected only from applications that run correctly on both the HP iPAQ and Sharp Zaurus PDAs. |
| 21:38:19 | VerxWork | hunger: It has reasonably well established rules |
| 21:38:25 | Cam___ | warmi _both_ |
| 21:38:31 | warmi | Cam___: ok then |
| 21:38:34 | hunger | VerxWork: I play games using a D100 most of the time:-) |
| 21:38:42 | treke | thats pretty tough though, how many people have both to test on |
| 21:38:43 | Sniper | brb |
| 21:38:43 | warmi | does Ipaq run Java ? |
| 21:38:43 | Cam___ | should be easy though ;-) it's Java, right? |
| 21:38:58 | VerxWork | warmi: Windows ipaq does |
| 21:39:00 | Cam___ | does SL-5000D run PJ1.2? |
| 21:39:00 | VerxWork | linux one does not |
| 21:39:25 | warmi | VerxHome: does it come with JVM or is it an add on product ? |
| 21:39:28 | mrwoody | is there a debian version for gcc compiler for ARM? |
| 21:39:43 | VerxWork | mrwoody: New ones come with the same JVM the zaurus does |
| 21:39:46 | treke | mrwoody: there is one that runs on arm |
| 21:39:47 | Cam___ | mrwoodyI think you need to use alien |
| 21:40:00 | treke | if thats what you want |
| 21:40:15 | VerxWork | well, if you run X, you can have it run on ipaq pretty easily |
| 21:40:18 | VerxWork | I was talking under qt |
| 21:40:28 | hunger | VerxWork: You could have a config entry like "Stat:Dexterity:min=1;max=100;roll=1D100 or something. |
| 21:40:29 | warmi | Cam___: are you going to participate in this Java contest ? |
| 21:40:43 | Neo|Work | haha |
| 21:40:50 | Neo|Work | hrm |
| 21:40:51 | Cam___ | warmi I doubt I have the time to get up to speed in Java |
| 21:40:55 | VerxWork | Sniper: Does that seem reasonable? A generic RPG character sheet app? |
| 21:41:03 | Cam___ | but I might enter a lame game to see if I can get a t-shirt :) |
| 21:41:07 | mrwoody | warmi: thanks, but is there anything that is already prepared for debian? |
| 21:41:07 | whardier | mr woody? |
| 21:41:07 | mrwoody | whardier: what is wrong? |
| 21:41:07 | whardier | just a wonderfull name thats all |
| 21:41:14 | Neo|Work | btw, noticed that the apps don't HAVE to run on both Pocket PC and Qtopia |
| 21:41:16 | warmi | Cam__ nah .. Java is like C++ wihout wings .. |
| 21:41:16 | hunger | Sniper: I'd love something like that! |
| 21:41:17 | Neo|Work | it says and/or |
| 21:41:24 | whardier | download the rpms |
| 21:41:27 | whardier | use alien to convert them |
| 21:41:34 | warmi | but there are workarounds for stuff that JAva does not support |
| 21:41:36 | warmi | hehe |
| 21:41:42 | warmi | or so I hope |
| 21:42:01 | warmi | mrwoody: I have no idea |
| 21:42:08 | Cam___ | warmi I have loads of projects that I don't really want to shelve just to win another laptop (fx: duck) |
| 21:42:29 | warmi | Cam___: commercial stuff or just hobby projects ? |
| 21:42:42 | Cam___ | just hobby projects |
| 21:42:51 | Cam___ | and having a family, and a job that pays bills |
| 21:43:00 | Cam___ | and running the local free paper website |
| 21:43:07 | warmi | yeah .. I know what you are talking about |
| 21:43:14 | Cam___ | I want my own linux distro before the year is out |
| 21:43:58 | warmi | Cam_ uh ... good luck .. of course, I am complete wuss as far as this kind of stuff .. I hardly even bother compiling my own kernels |
| 21:44:11 | whardier | well |
| 21:44:13 | whardier | wb me :) |
| 21:44:23 | Cam___ | I'm helping some guys in the developer challenge so I think that will be my top priority for the next month or so |
| 21:44:23 | warmi | whardier: that was quick |
| 21:44:24 | warmi | hehe |
| 21:44:35 | warmi | Cam_ so em I |
| 21:44:50 | warmi | you mean , Shar['s developer challegne right ? |
| 21:44:58 | Cam___ | I'll be well pleased to have some Z friends, most of them have diddly Palms |
| 21:45:09 | Cam___ | warmi yes the 5000D giveaway |
| 21:45:10 | whardier | I am waring a black shirt |
| 21:45:10 | whardier | on a normal day that would be no problem |
| 21:45:10 | whardier | but today I am eating powdered doughnuts |
| 21:45:37 | whardier | diddley |
| 21:45:38 | whardier | haha |
| 21:45:39 | warmi | hehe " the 5000d giveaway" |
| 21:45:44 | whardier | I dunno if I have a diddley palm |
| 21:45:46 | treke | Is there anything like a qtopia-dev channel where people can go with qtopia development problems? |
| 21:45:53 | mrwoody | can i understand what is happening in this area? |
| 21:45:53 | whardier | that just sounds fun |
| 21:45:53 | whardier | haha |
| 21:45:58 | warmi | treke|home: this is it ! |
| 21:46:02 | warmi | heeh |
| 21:46:05 | whardier | mrwoody netsplit? |
| 21:46:16 | mrwoody | whardier: what is that? |
| 21:46:18 | treke | hehe. I always feel bad about asking qt questions in here :) |
| 21:46:28 | Cam___ | I nearly got a palm, they were really cheap. If one guy I am helping wins a Zaurus, he might give me his color palm |
| 21:46:35 | mrwoody | treke: /join #qtopia ? ;-) |
| 21:46:41 | Cam___ | dunno what I'd do with it though |
| 21:46:45 | treke | haha :) |
| 21:46:50 | whardier | mrwoody thats when the irc network splits two or more server connections inbetween eachother.. because OPN is based off of a collection of servers not just one |
| 21:46:50 | warmi | treke|home: that's cause we tend to litter this channel with unrelated crappy talk :-=) |
| 21:47:12 | treke | too many "users" here |
| 21:47:14 | VerxWork | is sniper around? |
| 21:47:16 | warmi | Cam___: hehe .. does he know Qt at all ? |
| 21:47:22 | treke | wouldnt want to scare them :) |
| 21:47:38 | Cam___ | warmi - he's learning fast |
| 21:47:43 | warmi | treke|home: #OPIE tends to be quiet |
| 21:47:55 | warmi | Cam___: ok .. god luck then to you both |
| 21:47:58 | treke | warmi: hehe zecke gets pissy :) |
| 21:48:01 | Cam___ | thanks warmi |
| 21:48:12 | warmi | treke|home: zecke is always pissed |
| 21:48:18 | warmi | hehe |
| 21:48:22 | treke | I've noticed :) |
| 21:48:25 | Cam___ | I tried Open Zaurus the other day - it was cool looking |
| 21:48:40 | warmi | anyway, time to get on the train |
| 21:48:43 | warmi | see you later |
| 21:48:46 | [George-] | Cam___: Give it to me? :) |
| 21:48:52 | [George-] | Cam___: (The color palm) |
| 21:49:28 | Cam___ | George I'd probably take it to pieces to see how it worked |
| 21:49:43 | Gfx | Cam___ > Does Open Zaurus worth the change ? |
| 21:50:01 | Cam___ | Gfx it's worth a try, depending on your requirements I suppose |
| 21:50:31 | Gfx | I installed the OPIE packages over my standard system |
| 21:50:40 | Gfx | and I dislike some stuffs (like the media player) |
| 21:51:27 | Cam___ | It was beautiful to look at, from the splash screen to the background. A lot of it was work in progress though.. and mooview segfaulted, so I had to change back |
| 21:51:43 | Cam___ | mooview is fantastic |
| 21:52:18 | Gfx | what is it ? |
| 21:52:23 | darienm | crackotter: Still lurking |
| 21:52:25 | Cam___ | jpg viewer |
| 21:52:28 | darienm | crackotter: Still lurking? |
| 21:52:56 | Gfx | Cam___ > seems interesting... after all I can backup then restore my current system :) |
| 21:53:05 | Neo|Work | ASCII-pr0n: http://www.sebastian-gritsch.de/l33t_p0rn.htm |
| 21:53:21 | crackotter | darienm: yep still here |
| 21:53:23 | Neo|Work | warning, offensive ASCII-character-combinations on that page |
| 21:53:44 | [George-] | Cam___: What app are you helping write, then? |
| 21:53:52 | crackotter | dariem: What can I do for you? |
| 21:54:54 | darienm | crackotter: I learned a bit more about Xbase and Rekall |
| 21:55:03 | darienm | crackotter: something that might help significantly |
| 21:55:16 | crackotter | darienm: Cool .. I am all 1's and 0's .. go ahead |
| 21:55:55 | darienm | crackotter: make a new DIRECTORY in your filesystem where your database and related files (forms and queries) will be stored. use that DIRECTORY path as the contents of the 'database' field in Rekall when defining a new one. |
| 21:56:09 | darienm | crackotter: things work much smoother |
| 21:56:35 | crackotter | darienm: ok new DIR coming right up.. |
| 21:56:56 | Cam___ | George I'm not sure the apps have been approved by Sharp, but I'm hoping for the stock tracker, ebook reader... maybe another one |
| 21:57:40 | Cam___ | (math formula) |
| 21:58:06 | treke | Cam___: The ebook reader is available |
| 21:58:15 | crackotter | darienm: I am okay at coding, but when it comes to DB Management creation I am a idiot.. |
| 21:58:27 | Cam___ | it shouldn't be available, I thought someone was doing it |
| 21:58:34 | treke | Cam___: QTReader ( meets the pdb support requirement from sharp) |
| 21:58:47 | treke | Cam___: Its avilable in the sense that it's been written and you can download it |
| 21:58:47 | Neo|Work | I really need the 'hmm' command sometimes. |
| 21:58:52 | Cam___ | there is a crucial facet of pdb support that is missing |
| 21:58:55 | darienm | Cam___: Please give a quick visit to http://lexia.tbid.com/ regarding a new direction in human reading |
| 21:59:02 | treke | Cam___: What is that? |
| 21:59:02 | Neo|Work | : 1 neotron@huitzilopochtli hmm |
| 21:59:02 | Neo|Work | You hmm thoughtfully. |
| 21:59:09 | Cam___ | iSilo |
| 21:59:12 | darienm | Cam___: there is a proof of concept there, and the java source is available |
| 21:59:19 | djax | Lo |
| 22:00:31 | crackotter | If I buy a serial cable for my Z can I make a console connection through it?? And is there a term program for the Z?? can't find minicom for it |
| 22:00:37 | Cam___ | darienm thanks for the link but I don't really like the look of it |
| 22:01:09 | darienm | Cam___: You read thru the intro and philosophy already? And tried the demo? |
| 22:01:15 | Cam___ | I read fast |
| 22:01:24 | Gfx | crackotter > why a term connection ? |
| 22:01:34 | darienm | Cam___: I wasn't trying to push anything, just that its a direction that hasn't been put to practical test yet. |
| 22:01:43 | kergoth`work | k i'm out. ttyl people |
| 22:01:56 | sjohnson | Cam__: You can use the minicom .deb from ARM debian |
| 22:02:02 | crackotter | Gfx: I work on alot of devices which I need to console into.. <Cisco router etc.> |
| 22:02:27 | Gfx | crackotter : may I propose VNC ? |
| 22:02:38 | Gfx | oops sorry, didn't received your answer :) |
| 22:03:04 | treke | crackotter: You can get minicom out of debian |
| 22:04:15 | crackotter | treke: Thanxs .. just compile it on the Z then? |
| 22:04:29 | treke | crackotter: Just get the binaries out of debian |
| 22:04:34 | crackotter | and will that work through the Z's serial cable if I buy one? |
| 22:04:55 | treke | mrurur. If its a standard serial device, yes. |
| 22:05:05 | toolafial | crackotter : you might need null modem cable too |
| 22:06:23 | crackotter | toolafial: For Cisco routers probaley not but for Netra's and other device probaley.. I notice that the Serial device has a IP bound to it also.. will I have to load it with a differnt device in /dev?? |
| 22:06:31 | siriusnov | yo |
| 22:06:36 | siriusnov | anything new? |
| 22:06:39 | siriusnov | in Zaurus world? |
| 22:06:52 | Gfx | siriusnov > ScummVM works really good :) |
| 22:06:59 | siriusnov | Gfx, does it really? |
| 22:07:01 | hunger | crackotter: The problem with the serial cable for the Z is that it blocks the keyboard. |
| 22:07:03 | siriusnov | I was thinking of running it |
| 22:07:04 | Cam___ | My mate went for a job interview with Insignia and saw a A300 |
| 22:07:20 | toolafial | crackotter : probably not, I haven't really worked with serial but I assume that the serial port is ttyS0 |
| 22:07:32 | Gfx | siriusnov > yes, Sam N' Max runs fine on my Z and it is worth the try ! |
| 22:07:37 | hunger | crackotter: That's because Sharp was stupid and made the connector too thick. |
| 22:07:47 | siriusnov | Gfx, thats cool, do you get sound also? |
| 22:08:05 | crackotter | Well have to give it a try |
| 22:08:30 | Gfx | siriusnov > yes ! |
| 22:08:39 | siriusnov | Gfx, thats sweet |
| 22:08:40 | hunger | crackotter: I heared that you can build your own cable with a "smaller" connector. |
| 22:08:41 | siriusnov | i gotta try it now |
| 22:08:49 | siriusnov | ive been playing Doom on my Z for the past few days |
| 22:09:04 | Gfx | so you already got the SDL installed, everything will be easy for you |
| 22:09:11 | crackotter | hunger: Worth a shot.. it there a place which has a wiring diagram for the Z?? |
| 22:09:12 | siriusnov | yeah |
| 22:09:16 | Gfx | just follow the instructions found on bottom of the PrBoom for Z page |
| 22:09:31 | siriusnov | cool |
| 22:09:31 | hunger | crackotter: Someone build one for himself... |
| 22:09:40 | hunger | Who was it that build their own serial cable? |
| 22:09:48 | hunger | crackotter: I forgot who did it:-) |
| 22:10:25 | [DrEvil] | when scummvm works it is really great |
| 22:10:35 | siriusnov | Does it work with Day of the Tentacle? |
| 22:10:38 | Gfx | yes |
| 22:10:40 | crackotter | hunger: It is ok.. I hate soldering anyways <grin> Next question can the Z run BGP? just kidding :-) |
| 22:10:41 | siriusnov | cool |
| 22:10:50 | treke | hopefully the scummvm guys dont get sued :) |
| 22:10:52 | siriusnov | if I can only find my old games now |
| 22:10:52 | [DrEvil] | yeah |
| 22:11:00 | hunger | crackotter: BGP? |
| 22:11:03 | [DrEvil] | I'm playing Indy 4 |
| 22:11:07 | Cam___ | does anyone know a good reverse engineering channel? |
| 22:11:20 | whardier | cries |
| 22:11:30 | [DrEvil] | I have to compress these game sounds |
| 22:11:33 | treke | hunger: Network routing protocol. iirc |
| 22:11:53 | siriusnov | does Scummvm work with Leisure Suit Larry games? |
| 22:11:59 | treke | siriusnov: it doesnt |
| 22:11:59 | crackotter | hunger: Border Gateway Protocol .. what the border routers in the internet use to talk to each.. If the Z had it would probaley blow up just from the IP routes alone |
| 22:12:00 | angryBSD | #tcpdump? :-P |
| 22:12:04 | siriusnov | :( |
| 22:12:11 | Gfx | siriusnov > nope |
| 22:12:17 | treke | siriusnov: Those are SCI games |
| 22:12:23 | [DrEvil] | I have my games NFS mounted on my Z through WiFi |
| 22:12:38 | siriusnov | treke, any emulator for SCI games? |
| 22:12:38 | hunger | crackotter: Yes, I'd guess so too:-) |
| 22:12:48 | treke | siriusnov: freesci.linuxgames.com |
| 22:12:59 | Gfx | DrEvil > :)) |
| 22:13:00 | siriusnov | treke, SWEET |
| 22:13:03 | siriusnov | im a happy man |
| 22:13:03 | treke | the first one might have been agi. sarien.sf.net |
| 22:13:10 | treke | siriusnov: It wont work well on the zaurus |
| 22:13:27 | crackotter | If "Day of the Tenacle" freeware now?? or do I have to scrounge up a old copy of it?? |
| 22:13:39 | siriusnov | treke, :( |
| 22:13:39 | treke | crackotter: you have to scrounge an old copy up |
| 22:13:49 | siriusnov | I wanna play Lesiure Suit Larry 1-3 on my Z |
| 22:13:52 | siriusnov | whats the best way? |
| 22:13:55 | treke | siriusnov: Very keyboard dependent. |
| 22:13:56 | angryBSD | haha those games are awesome |
| 22:14:00 | treke | siriusnov: Order from lucasarts |
| 22:14:01 | Gfx | crackotter > unfortunately... |
| 22:14:22 | angryBSD | Day of the Tentacle was so awesome. You could even play the first version of the game (maniac mansion) inside of Day of the Tentacle |
| 22:14:38 | siriusnov | hehe |
| 22:15:05 | Gfx | I've heard of talks between scummvm dev team and Lucas Arts to open the games |
| 22:15:07 | crackotter | siriusnov: Yeah bad idea.. LSL 1-3 were typing dependant.. atleast 1-2 were I think |
| 22:15:17 | treke | 1-3 were |
| 22:15:19 | siriusnov | crackotter, so, the Z has a keyboard? |
| 22:15:27 | Gfx | this might also leads to turn scummvm into a non-GPL soft (still open source) |
| 22:15:41 | treke | Gfx: It probably talks to up scumm up and not the games |
| 22:15:57 | Gfx | I don't know yet |
| 22:16:02 | Gfx | I'm very new to scummvm |
| 22:16:05 | crackotter | siriusnov: yeah but it can be hard type type out "get purple condom from whore" on the Z's keyboard :) |
| 22:16:21 | siriusnov | crackotter, not for me, im a fast typer on the Z |
| 22:16:23 | siriusnov | :) |
| 22:16:24 | angryBSD | lol |
| 22:16:31 | Gfx | but as I will certainly continue the port of scummvm to GBA, I will hae more infos soon |
| 22:17:10 | siriusnov | can you save games with scummvm? |
| 22:17:15 | prpplague | heads home |
| 22:17:24 | whardier | home heads |
| 22:17:31 | treke | siriusnov: If you find a way to press f5 it should save fine |
| 22:17:40 | angryBSD | Gfx: you got one of those flashlink advances? |
| 22:17:42 | siriusnov | treke, and how does one do that? |
| 22:17:52 | Gfx | angryBSD > yes I do |
| 22:18:00 | Gfx | siriusnov > yes |
| 22:18:03 | treke | siriusnov: Like i said, it'll work if you find a way to press f5 :) |
| 22:18:04 | endr | anyone have the website for the new win-a-zaurus contest from sharp? |
| 22:18:05 | Gfx | use the popum menu key |
| 22:18:12 | Gfx | it brings up save/load/quit dialog |
| 22:18:21 | treke | Gfx: oh? cool |
| 22:18:22 | Cam___ | www.zaurus.com/dev/challenge |
| 22:18:23 | siriusnov | Gfx, cool thx |
| 22:18:26 | angryBSD | Gfx: I got one of those.. only really needed to rewrite the cart once - i loaded mine up with like 100 NES games and the NES emu |
| 22:18:26 | endr | thx |
| 22:18:30 | treke | now I just need to find a way to write a save game name :) |
| 22:18:50 | Gfx | angryBSD > I use mine only for dev testing :) |
| 22:20:11 | Gfx | angryBSD > but developping for GBA is way more difficult than developping for Zauurs :) |
| 22:20:16 | crackotter | Went looking for "Day of the Tentacle" online. find "lucasarts archive Vol 1" used.. $13 amazon :) |
| 22:20:23 | angryBSD | Gfx: speaking of which, i'm looking to get rid of my flashlink ;) |
| 22:20:23 | Cam___ | Sniper: can you confirm that someone has signed up to write the monopoly themed game? |
| 22:20:29 | angryBSD | havent used it or my GBA in the past 6 months |
| 22:20:39 | treke | must be porting kmonop |
| 22:21:16 | angryBSD | its kind of hard to win a game of monopoly under the Z's battery life span ;) |
| 22:21:38 | Cam___ | maybe the pocket version has only a couple of streets :) |
| 22:22:12 | | java is at (Link: http://www.blackdown.org)http://www.blackdown.org or at (Link: http://www.javasoft.com)http://www.javasoft.com or at (Link: http://www.savaje.com)http://www.savaje.com or at (Link: http://www.pocketlinux.com)http://www.pocketlinux.com or at (Link: http://java.sun.com)http://java.sun.com or at http://www.insignia.com |
| 22:22:12 | angryBSD | ibot, java |
| 22:22:20 | crackotter | siriusnov: want a typing game, what don't you try to find Zork for some linux flavor and move it over to the z <can we say eye strain> |
| 22:22:33 | angryBSD | i feel like a pokémon commander when i tell ibot to do stuff |
| 22:22:36 | hunger | Cam___: Maybe there is a way to have the powerplant in monopoly recharge the battery;-) |
| 22:22:46 | treke | crackotter: frotz runs fine :) |
| 22:22:50 | darienm | crackotter: zork is already available |
| 22:22:53 | | crackotter: i'm not following you... |
| 22:22:53 | crackotter | ibot I choose you |
| 22:23:16 | | the women are always right, always gorgeous and always have the last word... Oh and they know everything! |
| 22:23:16 | angryBSD | ibot, where the women at? |
| 22:23:31 | angryBSD | i dont think a male wrote ibot |
| 22:23:33 | crackotter | Wow.. Got love the devolper community ... |
| 22:23:50 | | crackotter: huh? |
| 22:23:50 | crackotter | ibot: Destroy the unbelievers! |
| 22:23:59 | crackotter | <shrug> worth a shot |
| 22:24:01 | BigBoss | i'm back |
| 22:24:09 | crackotter | hola BB |
| 22:24:22 | Cam___ | ibot... sounds like a Mac product |
| 22:25:17 | crackotter | I love my Z, I just wish I felt like sharp was putting more effort into it .. <only 1 case that was made for it> |
| 22:25:34 | Gfx | crackotter > what do you mean ? |
| 22:25:57 | treke | crackotter: Sharp doesnt do things like make cases. They just arent big pdas, they wont have a lot of accessories out of the gate |
| 22:26:05 | angryBSD | there are lots of cases that will fit it though, well, not with the keyboard pulled out tho |
| 22:26:35 | angryBSD | i think sharp will step up when they release the next Z |
| 22:26:39 | crackotter | Gfx: I see the community really pushing everything fowards.. but I don't really see sharp approaching any OEM's saying stuff like "Make a case for our PDA and we will put it on sharploace.com" |
| 22:26:47 | hunger | crackotter: That case is nice. The power plug will keep falling out, but that's the only glitch I found with it. |
| 22:27:00 | Gfx | crackotter > I see... |
| 22:27:05 | Gfx | that's even worse in France |
| 22:27:06 | Cam___ | I'd like a wraparound case like the Palms have |
| 22:27:14 | crackotter | hunger: Isn't your SD port blocked with it? |
| 22:27:32 | angryBSD | Sony sucks just as bad as Sharp when it comes to following up on products |
| 22:27:33 | Gfx | one of the biggest french electronic vendor (at least for the public) does not want to distribute the Z cause it runs Linux |
| 22:28:02 | hunger | crackotter: Nope, nor is any of the other ports blocked. |
| 22:28:04 | Cam___ | do the french still have draconian crypto regulations? |
| 22:28:17 | crackotter | Gfx: Really?? Wierd.. when I was on Tymnet in the 80's all the big Unix movers and shakers were based in France and Germany... |
| 22:29:00 | Gfx | crackotter > yep... so we only find PocketPC at twice the price of a Z bought in the USA... |
| 22:29:01 | crackotter | hunger: hmmm maybe I will get one.. just the leather reminds me to much of "Nayga hide" .. <shakes in fear> |
| 22:29:19 | treke | crackotter: Maybe when/if sales pick up you'll see more accessories like Japan has |
| 22:29:49 | BigBoss | these are the best cases |
| 22:29:49 | BigBoss | http://www.pielframa.com/Sharp.Zaurus.htm |
| 22:29:52 | crackotter | treke: Yeah .. I noticed that Sharp has a case with a built in batterey for their Zaurus that was released in Japan |
| 22:30:11 | treke | crackotter: cool |
| 22:30:27 | hunger | crackotter: There is a button (used to connect the clip to the case) at the backside. That's a bit annoying, as the Z is giving way when touching it with the pen on the left/right side of the screen. |
| 22:30:51 | angryBSD | i should make my own wooden case for the zaurus |
| 22:30:59 | angryBSD | hopefully the nails wont puncture the screen :-/ |
| 22:31:10 | crackotter | Maybe a foam case?? |
| 22:31:30 | angryBSD | cracks under pressure |
| 22:31:31 | BigBoss | a big ugly thing made from 4x8's |
| 22:31:46 | angryBSD | wooden would be elite |
| 22:31:59 | crackotter | how about a big stuffed demonic peguin? |
| 22:32:00 | Cam___ | some psion users have really weird hard cases, like a tiny aluminum flight case |
| 22:32:16 | angryBSD | a hard zaurus case would be really good though |
| 22:32:21 | crackotter | Cam___: like the hard case for the Palm? |
| 22:32:27 | Cam___ | yeah crackotter |
| 22:32:29 | Gfx | think about that poor french geeks who are obliged to order batteries and new pens in the USA with awful shipping and toll fees |
| 22:32:29 | angryBSD | i remember a while back someone had promised to make one on a zaurus message board |
| 22:32:39 | angryBSD | but they never returned |
| 22:33:37 | crackotter | Sorry for changing a topic which i brought up, but has anybody here anything about a new version Qtdesktop for Linux? |
| 22:34:00 | angryBSD | ^ heard |
| 22:34:10 | treke | crackotter: probably next month |
| 22:34:57 | crackotter | Cool |
| 22:35:00 | BigBoss | treke: really? where did you hear it? |
| 22:35:04 | treke | BigBoss: JasonNJ |
| 22:35:24 | VerxWork | BigBoss: Damn Max is fast |
| 22:35:25 | VerxWork | :) |
| 22:37:21 | angryBSD | where can i learn about developing visual java applications for the Z? |
| 22:37:32 | Gfx | visual java apps ? |
| 22:37:34 | darienm | BigBoss: i just threw tkcRekall into an infinte loop error :( |
| 22:37:39 | Gfx | that is to say ? |
| 22:38:00 | angryBSD | java applications with a GUI? |
| 22:38:13 | Gfx | because if you know how to develop Swing or AWT applications for desktops, you know how to develop visual java apps for the Z :) |
| 22:38:33 | Gfx | I've got some links if you wish |
| 22:38:39 | angryBSD | i know swing, but i didn't think the Z supported it |
| 22:38:43 | angryBSD | sure |
| 22:38:49 | Gfx | Z does support it |
| 22:38:53 | Gfx | you need to find Swing 1.1.1 |
| 22:39:01 | angryBSD | is that an older version? |
| 22:39:01 | Gfx | the one which uses com.sun.java.swing packages |
| 22:39:04 | Gfx | yes |
| 22:39:09 | Gfx | it is compliant with JDK 1.1.4 |
| 22:39:24 | Gfx | I've compiled (using jikes) and runned Swing apps successfully on my Zaurus |
| 22:39:28 | BigBoss | darienm: can you reproduce it? |
| 22:39:39 | Gfx | you can find the Swing 1.1.1 packages on java.sun.com by downloading the JFC packages |
| 22:40:03 | Gfx | if you can read french, I can send you an article I wrote about this subject |
| 22:40:28 | angryBSD | i can probably get through it |
| 22:40:36 | angryBSD | i know a little |
| 22:50:50 | [DrEvil] | hrmmm |
| 22:51:05 | [DrEvil] | where is this "extract" util that the scummvm readme says I need |
| 22:51:27 | Gfx | you can find it on www.scummvm.org I suppose |
| 22:59:14 | ljp | frickin farck am I here?! |
| 22:59:29 | hunger | ljp: Nope. |
| 22:59:56 | hunger | ljp: At least I don't see you anyway around here. |
| 23:00:07 | ljp | heheh grrrrr |
| 23:01:25 | ljp | something weird was going on here.. |
| 23:01:32 | ljp | still is I think |
| 23:03:59 | ljp | is XFree86 supposed to be dependant on net resolving anything? anyone know? |
| 23:04:33 | Cam___ | ljp you might be trying to resolve fontservers on the net? |
| 23:05:40 | ljp | I dont know.. but my net lost the internet for awhil, and one machine refused to start X |
| 23:07:28 | ljp | and it freakin me out |
| 23:09:45 | whardier | I am such a chick |
| 23:09:56 | whardier | has changed clothes like 3 times today |
| 23:10:01 | ljp | ?? |
| 23:10:16 | jmhodges | LOL |
| 23:10:18 | ljp | ahh girlie-man |
| 23:10:32 | ljp | maybe you a vampire now |
| 23:10:32 | whardier | its laundry day |
| 23:10:37 | whardier | thats why |
| 23:10:50 | ljp | guess what? |
| 23:11:04 | whardier | mtm is away? |
| 23:11:17 | mtm_away | uh huh |
| 23:11:32 | whardier | what am I guessing ljp ? |
| 23:11:44 | ljp | no.. the body shop recommended my car be totalled |
| 23:11:52 | whardier | hah! |
| 23:11:59 | whardier | thats a lot worse then you described it then! |
| 23:12:14 | ljp | how studly am I. I drove away from a car wreck in a totalled car |
| 23:12:31 | ljp | he said $4500 to fix |
| 23:12:46 | jmhodges | lol |
| 23:12:53 | ljp | roof support was bent |
| 23:13:07 | whardier | doh |
| 23:13:15 | ljp | dude, it was nastly lookin |
| 23:13:16 | whardier | guess you should not roll it |
| 23:13:25 | ljp | I didnt roll it |
| 23:13:42 | ljp | some guy hit me in a parking lot.. and he started from a dead stop! |
| 23:13:52 | oGMo | sounds like he rolled something, though, and then smoked it |
| 23:14:02 | Cam___ | well... they don't build them like they used to |
| 23:14:11 | ljp | it is a 1991 |
| 23:14:17 | ljp | hefty car |
| 23:14:31 | ljp | steel and plastic, tho |
| 23:14:38 | whardier | haha |
| 23:14:45 | whardier | I could dent a car pretty hard after about 2 feet |
| 23:14:52 | ljp | heheh true |
| 23:15:07 | ljp | but to me.. a totalled car is one you cant drive away in! |
| 23:15:08 | whardier | 5with my skull |
| 23:15:14 | whardier | yeah |
| 23:15:19 | whardier | how old is it? |
| 23:16:17 | ljp | my car? |
| 23:16:21 | ljp | 1991 |
| 23:16:35 | whardier | its more than 10 years old |
| 23:16:39 | whardier | how could they total it? |
| 23:17:13 | whardier | YOUR AT WORK?! |
| 23:17:31 | ljp | the price of fixing is more than 70% of the value.. they tend to say its totalled |
| 23:17:54 | whardier | I thought that was only for cars < 10 years old and not a collectors car |
| 23:18:10 | ljp | I dunno |
| 23:18:15 | prpplague | says "and so the nightly oz hacking begins" |
| 23:18:28 | ljp | the insurance co has yet to contact me about totalling it. |
| 23:18:31 | jmhodges | hehehe ppr |
| 23:18:35 | jmhodges | prpplague: |
| 23:19:22 | whardier | I am so broken |
| 23:19:38 | jmhodges | how so whardier? |
| 23:19:46 | whardier | you have to ask |
| 23:20:00 | whardier | I thougght I was just stating the obvious |
| 23:20:11 | ljp | hehe |
| 23:21:41 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 23:28:00 | scanline | hi Xentac |
| 23:28:05 | Xentac | hi scanline |
| 23:29:17 | prpplague | Xentac: there was something i wanted to ask you, but now after a full day of dealing with server issue, my brain is toast |
| 23:30:59 | scanline | uses some HHGTG quotes to test his code |
| 23:31:10 | Xentac | prpplague: dear god... I actually matter enough to have something asked of me! |
| 23:31:57 | Xentac | could it be, "why the hell do you always hang around in the #picogui channel, when you have nothing to contribute?" |
| 23:32:01 | Xentac | ;o) |
| 23:32:17 | scanline | hahaha |
| 23:32:29 | prpplague | Xentac: naw, actually i think i wanted to make fun of your /dev/gf leaving you...lol |
| 23:32:39 | prpplague | Xentac: jk |
| 23:32:42 | Xentac | ah, I see... well... that's... lovely ;P |
| 23:32:50 | scanline | Xentac: probably the same reason I hang out in #zaurus and #tuxscreen even though I've written very little platform-specific code? |
| 23:33:18 | Xentac | scanline: but at least you are doing something related to it |
| 23:33:22 | prpplague | Xentac: naw, i can't remember, it was something you said the other day before logging off, but i didn't have time to respond, i'll have to back and read my notes |
| 23:33:41 | W|GGL|T | is back (gone 18:24:29) |
| 23:33:48 | Xentac | nods. |
| 23:33:57 | prpplague | scanline: i find that the $tuxscreen is awesome for hardware and embedded information |
| 23:34:07 | Xentac | says lots of crazy things before he logs off |
| 23:34:48 | scanline | prpplague: yeah. lots of cool embedded gurus hanging out there |
| 23:34:58 | kergoth | goddamnit! |
| 23:35:07 | kergoth | bkbits.net has too many open files.. or i do.. |
| 23:35:14 | kergoth | i cant do a pull on my repository |
| 23:37:39 | scanline | bitkeeper.... |
| 23:37:57 | scanline | What are the advantages of bitkeeper over CVS? |
| 23:38:19 | Cam___ | easier branch management? |
| 23:38:31 | Xentac | needs food. |
| 23:38:40 | scanline | makes sense.. linux branches quite a bit :) |
| 23:39:36 | kergoth | not to mention bitkeeper allows moves, renames, etc |
| 23:39:45 | kergoth | plus it is distributed, rather than central |
| 23:39:52 | kergoth | and handles merges better, imho |
| 23:40:10 | scanline | that's cool.. but it's not open source? |
| 23:40:23 | kergoth | its under their own license |
| 23:40:35 | kergoth | i believe their source is avail, but its not gpl or anything |
| 23:40:37 | kergoth | read their license |
| 23:40:37 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:40:42 | scanline | is |
| 23:41:03 | scanline | ah... either pay them, or they publish your commit logs. hehe |
| 23:41:08 | kergoth | exactly |
| 23:41:15 | kergoth | so i just use open logging. big deal |
| 23:41:18 | kergoth | but for a company.. heh |
| 23:43:42 | prpplague | kergoth: ya i can see why linus moved to bitkeeper for the kernel, but for managing multiple patch systems it can get ugly |
| 23:44:28 | | lirc is probably Linux commercial IR or at http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/ConsumerIR and 2.4.7 module and software is at http://intimate.handhelds.org/disconnect/ or at http://www.lirc.org/ |
| 23:44:28 | Rascal_ | ibot lirc |
| 23:44:37 | kergoth | prpplague: certainly. but so can cvs :-) |
| 23:45:43 | kergoth | hm that one patch to add a configure option to disable ISA wasnt accepted by linus eh, its not in bk. ah well |
| 23:46:26 | prpplague | kergoth: lol, ya, but dave jones didn't use either for pushing patches to linus, just simply patch command and the mail command with lots of scripts |
| 23:46:41 | Rascal_ | anyone ever got opie-remote working? |
| 23:47:05 | kergoth | prpplague: hehe. I'm still not used to using the vast array of scripts in the proverbial arsenal.. |
| 23:47:11 | kergoth | Rascal_: on the Z? |
| 23:47:15 | Rascal_ | kergoth: ya |
| 23:47:23 | kergoth | Rascal_: install lirc |
| 23:47:33 | Rascal_ | kergoth: can't find the ipkg |
| 23:47:42 | kergoth | Rascal_: familiar project. |
| 23:47:46 | Rascal_ | k thx |
| 23:47:48 | kergoth | Rascal_: ipkgfind is your friend. |
| 23:47:50 | | somebody said ipkgfind was at http://ipkgfind.48ers.dk/ or at http://ipkgfind.handhelds.org |
| 23:47:50 | kergoth | ibot: ipkgfind? |
| 23:47:52 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:48:15 | kergoth | shit anyone remember the command offhand to dump a checked in, but not committed, change in bitkeeper? |
| 23:48:47 | ljp | heh no |
| 23:50:33 | kergoth | hmm |
| 23:52:59 | scanline | has an irrational urge to use colorgcc |
| 23:53:08 | tecks | hey |
| 23:53:23 | prpplague | scanline: why? |
| 23:53:43 | scanline | I like having software with 0 warnings.. makes it easier to see when things are going wrong in a big compile |
| 23:53:52 | ljp | I dont know anything about bitkeeper |
| 23:54:28 | kergoth | bingo, bk fix |
| 23:56:58 | prpplague | scanline: ahh |
| 23:57:23 | prpplague | scanline: my son likes to watch for "piggy" when compiling a kernel |
| 23:58:09 | scanline | hehe |
| 23:59:39 | ljp | I watch for piggy also, and that means its about finished |
