| 00:00:26 | TuxnamiRules | bigboss: i'm curious what you have in the kompany's library |
| 00:01:33 | EonGamesRulez | krow: you mean "empty" it? If so, hard reset (small button under the battery cover) |
| 00:01:47 | EonGamesRulez | it removes all stuff in the internal storage (calendar, contacts and so on) |
| 00:02:45 | treke | EonGamesRulez: having sounds on doesnt seem to cause any problems for me. Just no sound in games |
| 00:02:53 | | feeds is listed at http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds |
| 00:02:53 | Rascal | ibot feeds? |
| 00:03:03 | | rascal: wish i knew |
| 00:03:03 | Rascal | ibot: oz feeds? |
| 00:03:10 | | feed is a package repository or http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds or http://www.zauruszone.com/feed/ or http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/ for OpenZaurus |
| 00:03:10 | Rascal | ibot feed? |
| 00:03:12 | treke | actually, never mind. I'm getting sound in strategic assualt |
| 00:03:16 | TuxnamiRules | there ya go :) |
| 00:03:21 | BigBoss | TuxnamiRulez: oh well, stay curious :) |
| 00:03:41 | Cloudchaser | grins |
| 00:04:23 | | krow: huh? |
| 00:04:23 | krow | ibot: hardware reset |
| 00:04:29 | | krow: sorry... |
| 00:04:29 | krow | ibot: factory |
| 00:04:38 | TuxnamiRules | i was just wondering if anything useful was in there. i hate redoing code that's already on my system :) |
| 00:05:07 | theKompanyRulez | you could try asking max |
| 00:05:12 | cxm | hi people I'm looking for the elusive bootflag.txt to put OZ on my Z |
| 00:05:57 | TuxnamiRules | cxm: echo "OZ30" > bootflag.txt |
| 00:06:15 | EonGamesRulez | treke: right. And games need sounds. :) |
| 00:06:26 | cxm | for real? I don't want to toast my Z |
| 00:06:30 | EonGamesRulez | it's like apmd grabbing and holding /dev/rtc so I can't do high precision sleeping |
| 00:06:57 | EonGamesRulez | treke: you get sounds in SA but not in, say, Candy Cruncher? |
| 00:07:14 | treke | I do in candy cruncher |
| 00:07:15 | EonGamesRulez | does the ipaq have more than one working /dev/dsp or something (my code only tries to open one device) |
| 00:07:17 | EonGamesRulez | ok |
| 00:07:24 | EonGamesRulez | with sound on in opie? |
| 00:07:29 | treke | yup |
| 00:08:01 | [DrEvil] | returns |
| 00:08:51 | theKompanyRulez | so we are launching the tkcPorn24x7 network soon |
| 00:09:29 | treke | theKompanyRulez: 5239-0192-2822-9120 1/04 |
| 00:09:47 | treke | Visa |
| 00:09:56 | TuxnamiRules | lol |
| 00:10:16 | TuxnamiRules | runs to www.thekompany.com |
| 00:10:23 | TuxnamiRules | you don't mind, do you treke? :) |
| 00:10:30 | treke | hehe |
| 00:10:54 | treke | wonders who will be stupid enough to try using that number |
| 00:11:26 | [DrEvil] | probably the same people who dial 867-5309 when I tell them it is my phone number |
| 00:11:42 | Cloudchaser | haha |
| 00:13:08 | TuxnamiRules | bah, i'm not really in the mood for coding, yet at the same time i am... i'm confused |
| 00:13:08 | EonGamesRulez | 555-5555 area code 555 |
| 00:13:11 | cxm | grr has anyone got a proper bootflag.txt file??? |
| 00:13:12 | treke | haha |
| 00:13:23 | treke | cxm: trey echo OZ30 > bootflag.txt |
| 00:13:27 | EonGamesRulez | oh well, think I will go home |
| 00:13:40 | cxm | treke I thought it had important info in it??? |
| 00:13:49 | treke | cxm: I think that is the important info |
| 00:13:50 | TuxnamiRules | cxm: do what treke just said, as i told you when you had first asked |
| 00:14:01 | cxm | sorry it seemed too simple to be true |
| 00:14:16 | cxm | I thought it had like a list of the files that were important or stuff |
| 00:14:20 | TuxnamiRules | sometimes things are easy |
| 00:14:39 | cxm | let's hope I don't toast my Z then... I don't have a CF writer |
| 00:16:04 | TuxnamiRules | cxm: don't wory, that is the content of my bootflag.txt, and i did this about 20-30 times so far |
| 00:16:23 | treke | I'd be more worried that youve done it 20 times |
| 00:16:30 | EonGamesRulez | hrm google has auto-spelling now |
| 00:16:43 | EonGamesRulez | i.e enter "imediate aktion" (with quotes) |
| 00:16:50 | TuxnamiRules | treke: series of very bad events, and one of *those* days. |
| 00:16:54 | EonGamesRulez | auto-spelling when a query returns no results I mean |
| 00:20:00 | TuxnamiRules | fuggit. i'm not gonna get anything done today |
| 00:20:46 | cxm | dammit how am I supposed to FTP stuff to the Z??? I did ftp zaurus 4242 then got... |
| 00:20:54 | cxm | ftp> put initrd.bin |
| 00:20:58 | cxm | local: initrd.bin remote: initrd.bin |
| 00:21:02 | cxm | 227 Entering Passive Mode (192,168,129,201,4,3) |
| 00:21:06 | cxm | 550 Requested action not taken |
| 00:23:12 | [DrEvil] | I see kergoth is having issues again |
| 00:25:33 | br33zy | ls warmi |
| 00:25:48 | br33zy | bash: warmi: No such person or person |
| 00:26:27 | Neo|Work | is away: weekend |
| 00:27:57 | cxm | [root@ring web]# ncftpput -u root -P 4242 zaurus /mnt/cf initrd.bin |
| 00:27:58 | cxm | Password: |
| 00:27:58 | cxm | ncftpput initrd.bin: server said: Requested action not taken |
| 00:28:03 | cxm | WTF? |
| 00:28:14 | [DrEvil] | you really should have a CF reader and card |
| 00:28:25 | cxm | I have a CF card |
| 00:28:36 | [DrEvil] | you should have a reader then |
| 00:28:42 | cxm | this is all very broken isn't it!!? |
| 00:29:19 | [DrEvil] | no |
| 00:29:23 | Rascal | kergoth_: do you mind helping me to get java working on OZ? |
| 00:29:36 | [DrEvil] | but if you are going to play with OZ you need to have one |
| 00:30:10 | cxm | I heard about the security alert - but that must be bogus, I can't even transfer a large file through the Z :( |
| 00:30:32 | cxm | why do I need a CF reader for OZ? Surely OZ can mount the CF card - or can't it do that yet? |
| 00:30:59 | Rascal | cxm as long as you can write the files to cf it's fine |
| 00:31:11 | Rascal | you don't "NEED" a cf reader.. |
| 00:31:19 | Rascal | but the cf reader makes things easier |
| 00:31:29 | [DrEvil] | yes you can |
| 00:31:31 | [DrEvil] | but if for some reason you hose your Z... |
| 00:31:31 | [DrEvil] | how will you get files on it? |
| 00:31:36 | cxm | Rascal so far I have FTPed the small files across, but the port 4242 ftp server is behaving strange for the large initrd.bin file |
| 00:32:06 | [DrEvil] | I have 2 CF readers |
| 00:32:09 | [DrEvil] | just to be safe |
| 00:32:27 | cxm | (DrEvil - I'm basically trusting the OZ stuff to at least give me a shell when it boots) |
| 00:32:29 | Rascal | it's probably storing the image to ram first then sending it over to the CF |
| 00:32:35 | Rascal | but you don't have enough ram |
| 00:33:01 | cxm | Rascal good theory, but the FTP thing returns almost instantly with an error message |
| 00:33:17 | Rascal | what error message? |
| 00:33:18 | [DrEvil] | turn on logging |
| 00:33:20 | cxm | is there some command line thing I can use on the Z? |
| 00:33:28 | Rascal | syslogd |
| 00:33:30 | cxm | ncftpput initrd.bin: server said: Requested action not taken |
| 00:33:35 | Rascal | klogd |
| 00:34:01 | Rascal | that should turn on var/log/messages |
| 00:34:04 | [DrEvil] | did you install the terminal form the CD? |
| 00:34:30 | cxm | I've got a developer one (5000D |
| 00:34:36 | cxm | just found wget on there |
| 00:34:57 | Rascal | use wget on the sf url then |
| 00:35:31 | cxm | nah - I'll put it on my PC, cos I haven't used NAT on the PC<->Z link |
| 00:38:34 | br33zy | ls warmi |
| 00:38:43 | br33zy | bash: warmi: No such person or person |
| 00:38:46 | br33zy | bash: warmi: No such person |
| 00:41:56 | cxm | weird... now I'm on my Z in the terminal - it's claiming that /mnt/cf/ is a read-only filesystem...??? |
| 00:44:06 | [DrEvil] | I think I am going to flash back to my ROM |
| 00:45:05 | [DrEvil] | not having an easy way to do backups is not good |
| 00:51:25 | zappin | is anyone there |
| 00:51:25 | zappin | ? |
| 00:51:59 | cxm | grr, for some reason the Z had mounted the CF readonly |
| 00:52:18 | cxm | I remounted it and now wget is doing it's funky stuff.... OpenZaurus, here I come!!! |
| 00:53:20 | [DrEvil] | did you change the filesystem on the CF card? |
| 00:53:30 | Guest | hi |
| 00:53:46 | [DrEvil] | is returning to EvilROM 1.0 |
| 00:53:54 | [DrEvil] | work will start soon on the 2.0 version |
| 00:54:36 | br33zy | ls warmi |
| 00:54:46 | br33zy | bash: warmi: no such person |
| 00:56:15 | cxm | I haven't touched the CF filesystem - I think it's automatically unmounting because the card is full |
| 00:56:33 | [DrEvil] | sometimes the fat gets corrupt or something |
| 00:56:48 | [DrEvil] | and always reports 100% when it isn't |
| 00:56:52 | cxm | it keeps killing the terminal too, because it has open files when the CF is umounted... damn annoying |
| 00:58:30 | codemnky | hello |
| 01:00:01 | cxm | corruption indeed - it works better after mkdosfs /dev/hda1 |
| 01:00:10 | ljp | if you excersize,, the fat wont get corrupted so much |
| 01:00:40 | codemnky | man i got fat |
| 01:00:58 | codemnky | i got a spare tire from sit'n in front of this damn computer |
| 01:01:06 | cxm | it's the cookies |
| 01:01:19 | cxm | anyway - should I rename zImage-26-6 to zImage? |
| 01:01:33 | codemnky | speaking of which i had a pot cookie the other day that almost killed me |
| 01:01:37 | codemnky | :P |
| 01:01:40 | zappin | Has anyone got QPose to work? |
| 01:01:49 | bipolar | zappin: yeah. |
| 01:01:56 | bipolar | zappin: it's slow though |
| 01:01:59 | codemnky | i hear more people are trying to get it to work then who have |
| 01:02:36 | br33zy | ls warmi |
| 01:02:37 | br33zy | bash: warmi: no such person |
| 01:02:38 | codemnky | what is the irc command to see if someone is on this server? |
| 01:02:47 | br33zy | uh |
| 01:03:00 | codemnky | i keep forgetting it |
| 01:03:01 | [DrEvil] | kergoth |
| 01:03:07 | [DrEvil] | /whois |
| 01:03:10 | codemnky | thx |
| 01:03:31 | kergoth | re |
| 01:03:38 | kergoth | my place is pretty well stocked now |
| 01:03:38 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:03:40 | [DrEvil] | I think I have a name |
| 01:03:52 | [DrEvil] | Internet Adult Beverage Database |
| 01:03:59 | kergoth | oh I like it |
| 01:04:03 | kergoth | iabd? |
| 01:04:04 | [DrEvil] | or Online Adult Beverate Database |
| 01:04:11 | br33zy | [DrEvil]: do you have the long island ice tea in there? |
| 01:04:13 | [DrEvil] | iabdb |
| 01:04:20 | [DrEvil] | or oabdb |
| 01:04:22 | kergoth | br33zy: the db doesnt exist yet |
| 01:04:27 | br33zy | oh |
| 01:04:39 | kergoth | but it will! |
| 01:04:41 | kergoth | :-) |
| 01:04:50 | [DrEvil] | oh yes it will |
| 01:04:52 | br33zy | hehe |
| 01:05:17 | kergoth | got sshd running on my windows box |
| 01:05:17 | [DrEvil] | and BigBoss can write tkcTipsy |
| 01:05:20 | kergoth | i love cygwin |
| 01:05:24 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: hehe. yeh |
| 01:05:39 | [DrEvil] | which one sounds better? |
| 01:05:44 | [DrEvil] | online or internet |
| 01:05:46 | kergoth | hmm |
| 01:06:05 | kergoth | iabdb, oabdb.. hmm |
| 01:06:17 | [DrEvil] | they are both fun to type |
| 01:06:25 | kergoth | ATTN PEOPLE: poll: online or internet? which sounds better? |
| 01:06:26 | kergoth | hehe |
| 01:06:26 | [DrEvil] | but I doubt they can be typed when drunk |
| 01:06:31 | kergoth | hah no shit |
| 01:06:43 | kergoth | we'll have a easier domain name for when you're drunk that just takes you there |
| 01:06:44 | kergoth | :-) |
| 01:06:52 | [DrEvil] | iisdrunk |
| 01:07:04 | codemnky | kergoth i have a question for ya |
| 01:07:07 | [DrEvil] | getmedrunk.com |
| 01:07:19 | kergoth | needdrinks.com |
| 01:07:24 | kergoth | hey codemnky. what do ya need |
| 01:07:39 | [DrEvil] | I also figured out the test for the car finder feature |
| 01:07:46 | [DrEvil] | to make sure you aren't too drunk to drive |
| 01:07:49 | codemnky | i havea cable that goes from my cell phone to a female serial out |
| 01:07:55 | [DrEvil] | just run the screen calibration util |
| 01:07:59 | kergoth | haha |
| 01:08:03 | kergoth | good test of coordination |
| 01:08:05 | kergoth | i can see it now |
| 01:08:07 | treke|home | haha |
| 01:08:20 | codemnky | can i get the Z hooked into this? |
| 01:08:21 | kergoth | some drunk dood's going to be running that calibration for hours.. tap.. tap.. tap.. tap.. tap.. tapp. around and aroudn |
| 01:08:33 | codemnky | so i can dial out? |
| 01:08:41 | kergoth | codemnky: yes. its just serial |
| 01:08:46 | treke|home | <drunk> Aw fuck it. I'll just pass out here |
| 01:08:59 | kergoth | treke|home: exactly! and thats the whole point. hehe |
| 01:09:00 | codemnky | so i get need to by the sharp connector? |
| 01:09:06 | codemnky | buy |
| 01:09:11 | kergoth | codemnky: yes, you need the serial cable. |
| 01:09:24 | codemnky | ok |
| 01:09:25 | [DrEvil] | heh |
| 01:09:35 | [DrEvil] | my sd card has a circular directory structure |
| 01:09:35 | cxm | wow open zaurus has an awesome splash screen |
| 01:09:42 | [DrEvil] | i sense recursion |
| 01:09:48 | kergoth | cxm: thank whardier for it |
| 01:09:52 | codemnky | are there gui tools to conf the serial modem? or will i need to do in on the console? |
| 01:09:57 | [DrEvil] | EvilROM has a nice splash screen too |
| 01:11:02 | cxm | I wonder if I can fit all the sources onto my laptop |
| 01:11:59 | cxm | haha the wireless lan setup icon looks like a vibrator |
| 01:12:05 | kergoth | lol |
| 01:12:47 | cxm | that's my kind of access point :P |
| 01:14:15 | [DrEvil] | oh yez |
| 01:14:19 | [DrEvil] | White Zombie |
| 01:14:56 | [DrEvil] | this season of Jeremiah went by too fast |
| 01:15:14 | cxm | how do I connect to open zaurus, ftp port 4242 is not there anymore? |
| 01:15:22 | johnix | Hi |
| 01:16:07 | codemnky | Hi |
| 01:17:33 | Rascal | cxm SSH |
| 01:17:40 | johnix | I was wondering, has anybody been thinking about using the USB port to power the Zaurus? |
| 01:18:35 | johnix | How much power does the Zaurus use? (I don't have one yet) |
| 01:19:30 | qurve | depends on what you're doing |
| 01:19:38 | cxm | johnix I think you might draw too much current in extreme cases |
| 01:19:40 | qurve | if you turn the front-light all the way on and play mp3s it can drain pretty quick |
| 01:19:56 | johnix | qurve: what does the power supply say? |
| 01:20:03 | qurve | Good question. |
| 01:20:06 | qurve | I just got mine two days ago |
| 01:20:11 | qurve | Although I don't have the developer one |
| 01:20:17 | johnix | I read the USB port can supply up to 500mA |
| 01:20:17 | cxm | USB hubs can supply about 300mA and the Z is 5V 6.8W |
| 01:20:34 | johnix | huh. |
| 01:20:59 | codemnky | have you see all the tech spacs on the Z from the home page? |
| 01:21:04 | johnix | Once I get mine, I'll have to mesure how much it actually uses in different configurations |
| 01:21:21 | [DrEvil] | so kergoth |
| 01:21:24 | kergoth | yeah |
| 01:21:25 | [DrEvil] | which should we use |
| 01:21:28 | [DrEvil] | online |
| 01:21:30 | [DrEvil] | or internet |
| 01:21:36 | johnix | codemnky: I looked for it; but I didn't find any power supply information |
| 01:21:37 | qurve | Is it possible to change the background image behind the icons on all the tabs? |
| 01:21:43 | qurve | (I swear I've seen this in screenshots) |
| 01:21:45 | kergoth | I'm leaning towards online |
| 01:21:47 | qurve | But I havent found the image. |
| 01:21:47 | kergoth | what do you think? |
| 01:21:53 | kergoth | online sounds better when you say it |
| 01:21:54 | kergoth | hehe |
| 01:22:09 | johnix | maybe there's a way to use the USB power for mere VNC-like usage |
| 01:22:41 | kergoth | i should watch a movie. hm |
| 01:22:48 | [DrEvil] | me too |
| 01:22:56 | johnix | or maybe just for battery charging. How long does the battery take to charge? |
| 01:22:59 | [DrEvil] | but it will be Odessy 5 and then Jeremiah |
| 01:23:11 | [DrEvil] | we'll ask about the online vs. internet thing later |
| 01:23:46 | kergoth | yeah. get opinions. |
| 01:23:56 | qurve | Anyone have any clue about the background image thing? |
| 01:24:04 | kergoth | qurve: ? |
| 01:24:11 | kergoth | qurve: you cant change it on the stock sharp rom |
| 01:24:17 | qurve | doh. |
| 01:24:19 | [DrEvil] | in opie you can change the background |
| 01:24:23 | kergoth | qurve: http://opie.handhelds.org/ see the screenshots. |
| 01:24:34 | qurve | I havent even looked at that yet. |
| 01:24:38 | qurve | What exactly is opie |
| 01:24:51 | johnix | the battery is about 1AH. |
| 01:24:52 | | opie is the Open Palmtop Integrated Environment. More info can be found at http://opie.handhelds.org or in the #opie channel. or at http://www.opie.info or at http://www.opie.us or most important at http://www.opie.info |
| 01:24:52 | kergoth | ibot: opie? |
| 01:24:55 | kergoth | ibot is your friend |
| 01:25:05 | | openzaurus is, like, a Community version of the operating environment for the Sharp Zaurus SL-5x00[d] PDA. See http://openzaurus.sf.net/. or http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/ |
| 01:25:05 | kergoth | ibot: openzaurus? |
| 01:25:06 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:25:18 | qurve | infobots rule |
| 01:25:19 | qurve | Hrm, ok |
| 01:25:32 | kergoth | yeh |
| 01:26:05 | johnix | If it takes more than 3 Hrs to charge, and the Zaurus does not use more power during that time, then it might be possible to charge it from the USB port... |
| 01:27:00 | qurve | I have one more question, if anyone's up for it |
| 01:27:10 | kergoth | oh just ask already |
| 01:27:11 | qurve | my home network is set up like this: |
| 01:27:15 | kergoth | dont ask t o ask, that gets annoying |
| 01:27:15 | kergoth | hehe |
| 01:27:35 | qurve | WAN <-> DSL modem <-> dsl router <-> computer(s) |
| 01:27:40 | [DrEvil] | at least there are no more questions when the next beta of OZ will be out |
| 01:27:42 | johnix | I was wondering, who feeds ibot? |
| 01:27:48 | qurve | is it possible to get the zaurus online over USB? |
| 01:27:49 | Rascal | kergoth: later on can you help me to get java working on OZ? |
| 01:27:55 | Rascal | qurve |
| 01:27:55 | ljp | Sugar does |
| 01:27:57 | Rascal | yes |
| 01:27:58 | [DrEvil] | and you timed it so that it was close to Debian 3.0 being released |
| 01:27:58 | | no idea, johnix |
| 01:27:58 | johnix | ibot: infobots? |
| 01:27:59 | qurve | I havent been able to get it to work |
| 01:28:06 | johnix | qurve: yes, read the faq |
| 01:28:07 | | infobot is http://infobot.org/ |
| 01:28:07 | johnix | ibot: infobot? |
| 01:28:08 | qurve | I don't consider myself a networking guru by any means |
| 01:28:12 | | it has been said that faq is at http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/zaurus-faq/ or at http://www.handhelds.org/handhelds-faq/handhelds-faq.html or at http://adorphuye.com/zaurus/java/faq.jsp |
| 01:28:12 | Rascal | ibot faq? |
| 01:28:21 | ljp | Sugar: help |
| 01:28:21 | Sugar | I'm Sugar, an interactive Pike bot. These modules are currently loaded: babelfish, beer, cyborg, dice, drinks, fortune, google, quote, seen and talk. To get module specific help, type: help <modulename> |
| 01:28:22 | qurve | But I havent been able to bridge the connection between my USB and NICK interface |
| 01:28:31 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: true that |
| 01:28:32 | kergoth | re ljp |
| 01:28:32 | qurve | NIC* |
| 01:28:39 | ljp | hey |
| 01:29:01 | ljp | wanna vercel |
| 01:29:07 | qurve | Thanks for your help guys. |
| 01:29:44 | johnix | Has anybody here ever used the Emacs remembrance agent? |
| 01:29:44 | kergoth | ljp: when do you get yours? |
| 01:30:23 | ljp | who knows. |
| 01:30:47 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:30:52 | ljp | BB told me that vercel hasnt gotten dev units made yet |
| 01:31:13 | ljp | and Lineo hasnt any to spare ;( |
| 01:31:28 | johnix | When you're editing text, it automatically looks in its database for the documents that are closest to what you're typing, and offers you to consult them. |
| 01:32:08 | johnix | ljp: you're waiting for a SL-5000d? |
| 01:32:40 | kergoth | johnix: he's got two 5000d's :-) |
| 01:32:42 | ljp | nope.. got too many of those |
| 01:32:45 | kergoth | hehe |
| 01:33:13 | ljp | had to frickin label them - oz and sharp to keep them straight |
| 01:33:28 | johnix | is the LS-5500 easy to find? |
| 01:34:05 | johnix | I'm planning to go the Germany for a day-trip and buy one there when I come back to Europe. |
| 01:34:17 | treke|home | Germany isnt in europe? |
| 01:35:08 | Cloudchaser | thats why i want another one |
| 01:35:12 | Cloudchaser | one to put oz on |
| 01:35:19 | kergoth | is always second best. sniffle. |
| 01:35:20 | Cloudchaser | and one to have sharp rom on ;) |
| 01:35:22 | kergoth | ;) |
| 01:35:30 | treke|home | screw sharp |
| 01:35:31 | treke|home | :) |
| 01:35:41 | kergoth | treke|home: here here! |
| 01:35:42 | kergoth | eheh |
| 01:35:42 | ljp | heheh I sent Riker a beta, and the pro had DESTDIR=$(OPIEDIR)/bin |
| 01:35:49 | Cloudchaser | oz isn't quite ready for me yet |
| 01:35:51 | kergoth | ljp: hah |
| 01:36:08 | jmhodges | whwe |
| 01:36:15 | jmhodges | heya |
| 01:36:19 | kergoth | hey jmhodges |
| 01:36:40 | johnix | treke|home: when I come back to Europe; I'm not in Europe right now, so it's not practical to go to Germany. |
| 01:36:52 | kergoth | My house having no alcohol situation has been remedied. eheh |
| 01:36:57 | jmhodges | man i am so frustrated with nwn |
| 01:37:06 | jmhodges | so wahts new? |
| 01:37:26 | treke|home | kergoth: here here! |
| 01:37:57 | Cloudchaser | nother couple and my house won't have any alcohol too |
| 01:38:08 | kergoth | jmhodges: where you at? |
| 01:38:19 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: ack, better remedy that. |
| 01:38:20 | kergoth | heheh |
| 01:38:27 | Cloudchaser | hehe blue laws here |
| 01:38:34 | kergoth | blue laws? |
| 01:38:38 | jmhodges | getting that Urgath.. er.. dammit now i forgot the speeling.. off for murder (the one where you have to "be" a lawyer) |
| 01:38:43 | jmhodges | kergoth: ^ |
| 01:38:43 | Cloudchaser | yeah no liquor sold after 8 pm |
| 01:38:51 | treke|home | Cloudchaser: What a lame place to live :) |
| 01:38:55 | Cloudchaser | lol |
| 01:39:05 | Cloudchaser | none sold on sunday either |
| 01:39:07 | jmhodges | yeesh sucks Cloudchaser |
| 01:39:10 | jmhodges | where are you Cloudchaser? |
| 01:39:15 | jmhodges | Utha? |
| 01:39:16 | Cloudchaser | CT |
| 01:39:17 | jmhodges | Kansas? |
| 01:39:20 | kergoth | lol |
| 01:39:23 | jmhodges | Conneticut? |
| 01:39:24 | jmhodges | lol |
| 01:39:25 | Cloudchaser | yep |
| 01:39:40 | treke|home | hehe. We've got similar rules around here |
| 01:39:43 | jmhodges | damn i was thinking conservative west.. |
| 01:39:48 | treke|home | no liquor sold after 2 am |
| 01:39:48 | Cloudchaser | whers that treke? |
| 01:39:55 | treke|home | California |
| 01:40:13 | treke|home | At least I think its 2 |
| 01:40:18 | jmhodges | 2am is still better tahn 8! |
| 01:40:28 | Cloudchaser | well bars you can get served late |
| 01:40:35 | Cloudchaser | just can't buy packaged stuff |
| 01:40:37 | Cloudchaser | after 8 |
| 01:40:52 | treke|home | Cloudchaser: Yeah its the packaged stuff at 2am, I think bars can go later |
| 01:41:29 | [DrEvil] | you can only buy hard liquor in state run stores here |
| 01:41:42 | jmhodges | kergoth: you have any idea to get him off? |
| 01:41:51 | treke|home | [DrEvil]: And where is here? |
| 01:41:57 | [DrEvil] | WA State |
| 01:42:02 | jmhodges | stupid swords and guilty until proven innocent >:( |
| 01:42:10 | kergoth | jmhodges: ohhhh chapter 3.. |
| 01:42:14 | kergoth | jmhodges: I got him off |
| 01:42:22 | jmhodges | how the fuck did you do it!? |
| 01:42:32 | jmhodges | :) |
| 01:42:34 | kergoth | jmhodges: but fyi, some people still thought he got away with murder |
| 01:42:41 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 01:42:48 | kergoth | jmhodges: I talked to every witness, and every judge. I bribed 3 judges, and convinced the rest. |
| 01:42:49 | jmhodges | oh well.. as long as he gets off |
| 01:42:49 | kergoth | hehe |
| 01:42:52 | jmhodges | LOL |
| 01:42:55 | jmhodges | nice kergoth |
| 01:42:56 | kergoth | ;-) |
| 01:42:59 | jmhodges | thinks he should do that |
| 01:43:19 | jmhodges | i cannot figure out a way to win without it |
| 01:43:30 | jmhodges | kergoth: does bribing make you evil? |
| 01:44:20 | [DrEvil] | not if you are in south america |
| 01:44:25 | jmhodges | hehehe |
| 01:44:34 | jmhodges | kergoth_: im guessing bribing doesnt make you evil? |
| 01:44:36 | [DrEvil] | rebuilds his Z |
| 01:45:00 | kergoth | <kergoth> not to my knowledge |
| 01:45:01 | kergoth | <kergoth> but hey |
| 01:45:03 | kergoth | <kergoth> my guy is eveil already |
| 01:45:05 | kergoth | <kergoth> so i wouldnt know |
| 01:45:07 | kergoth | shoots at&t |
| 01:45:41 | jmhodges | hehehe |
| 01:45:44 | jmhodges | lol |
| 01:45:55 | kergoth | i've got a level 18 lawful evil Monk |
| 01:46:00 | jmhodges | has a thing about making good characters |
| 01:46:04 | jmhodges | kergoth: coooool |
| 01:46:16 | kergoth | i've made characters of every class, every type, every alignment, in that damn game |
| 01:46:18 | jmhodges | theres something about evil martial artists that just rock |
| 01:46:19 | kergoth | trying to figure out what i liked |
| 01:46:22 | kergoth | lol, no shit |
| 01:46:22 | jmhodges | sweet |
| 01:46:31 | jmhodges | ive only done one |
| 01:46:38 | kergoth | download the official modules from bioware |
| 01:46:41 | kergoth | they put out like 4 new modules |
| 01:46:43 | jmhodges | i think ill beat the game with him and then go online with the rest |
| 01:46:47 | jmhodges | holy jesus |
| 01:46:48 | kergoth | one of them you get a TON of items |
| 01:46:51 | jmhodges | i didnt know that |
| 01:46:54 | kergoth | the other you earn so much experience doo |
| 01:46:54 | jmhodges | SWEET |
| 01:46:59 | kergoth | i went up 6 levels |
| 01:47:01 | kergoth | in one run |
| 01:47:05 | kergoth | not shitting you |
| 01:47:05 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:47:23 | kergoth | there are like 8 new modules from individuals also |
| 01:47:27 | jmhodges | omg |
| 01:47:32 | jmhodges | Omfg |
| 01:47:33 | kergoth | like 2 modules for pVp specifically |
| 01:47:34 | kergoth | dueling |
| 01:47:36 | jmhodges | sweeeeeeet |
| 01:47:39 | jmhodges | drools |
| 01:47:49 | kergoth | yeah, one of them is team vs team.. 2 persons per team combat |
| 01:47:54 | kergoth | i havent played it yet though |
| 01:47:55 | kergoth | looks fun |
| 01:48:01 | jmhodges | sweet |
| 01:48:05 | jmhodges | oh man |
| 01:48:07 | kergoth | so go download them all |
| 01:48:10 | kergoth | and have at it |
| 01:48:11 | jmhodges | kergoth thanks for the info! |
| 01:48:12 | jmhodges | heheheh |
| 01:48:22 | kergoth | build some experience, then go back to chapter three and whup them all |
| 01:48:24 | kergoth | heheh |
| 01:48:26 | kergoth | thats what i did anyway |
| 01:49:21 | jmhodges | lol |
| 01:49:32 | kergoth | damn good game |
| 01:49:37 | kergoth | i want to get into some serious multiplayer action |
| 01:49:39 | jmhodges | those Elk bitches were fucking hard |
| 01:49:47 | kergoth | yeh |
| 01:49:51 | jmhodges | bastards just wouldnt go down! |
| 01:50:02 | jmhodges | was flinging Chain Lightning like confetti |
| 01:50:09 | kergoth | hehe |
| 01:50:13 | kergoth | whats your char? |
| 01:50:49 | ljp | cant remember those grips about opie texteditor |
| 01:51:00 | kergoth | ljp: permissions popup? |
| 01:51:03 | johnix | err, what's that game you're talkong about anyway? |
| 01:51:05 | kergoth | ljp: .desktop popup? |
| 01:51:12 | kergoth | johnix: neverwinter nights |
| 01:51:38 | jmhodges | it was going to be a "sneaky sorcerer" but now its just sorc with like 2 points in silent movement and hide and 1 in listen |
| 01:51:45 | jmhodges | :) |
| 01:51:47 | kergoth | hehe |
| 01:51:48 | ljp | ya.. the other one.. the .desktop thing was easy |
| 01:52:38 | jmhodges | thanks to all of ya for helping me with my z .. just thought you should know.. i make myslef sound like an idiot in here and you still help! :D |
| 01:55:44 | ljp | there.. now maybe textedit will rest |
| 01:56:15 | treke|home | decides tp satis fy him with tribes2 while waiting for nwn |
| 01:56:42 | kergoth | i need to kill someone |
| 01:56:49 | kergoth | preferably someone that works at at&t |
| 01:56:52 | treke|home | points at bigboss |
| 01:56:53 | kergoth | cause this shit is driving me nuts |
| 01:57:04 | ljp | doesnt have cable |
| 01:57:29 | jmhodges | LOL |
| 01:57:33 | ljp | maybe they do that on purpose |
| 01:57:39 | treke|home | ljp: that shit is even worse |
| 01:57:47 | jmhodges | will have a nice "stable" shared t1 line in little over a month |
| 01:57:54 | jmhodges | is very happy about that |
| 01:58:22 | treke|home | jmhodges: wait till you find out its "shared" with 1000 other people downloading mp3s and porn |
| 01:58:47 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 01:58:49 | jmhodges | i know |
| 01:59:04 | treke|home | wait till you find out that a modem is faster |
| 01:59:26 | treke|home | and you find that you pings to online games are around 500 on a good day |
| 01:59:41 | jmhodges | begins to grow angry with treke|home |
| 01:59:54 | jmhodges | shifts his aligment 10 points to Evil |
| 01:59:57 | treke|home | `/me is a bit bitter |
| 02:00:05 | jmhodges | stabs treke|home viciously |
| 02:00:18 | jmhodges | hehe treke|home |
| 02:00:48 | jmhodges | maybe me and my roomate will be the only technoliterates in the dorm {ha! like thatll happen.. course it will be in OH.. ] |
| 02:01:10 | treke|home | jmhodges: That doesnt help |
| 02:01:21 | treke|home | even the iliterate ones can find the mp3s and porn |
| 02:01:27 | jmhodges | argh |
| 02:01:47 | treke|home | `but they dont know how to turn off the share every file on your harddrive features |
| 02:01:52 | kergoth | treke|home: stop ruining his fun. hehe |
| 02:02:02 | treke|home | just preparing him :) |
| 02:02:11 | jmhodges | hm.. maybe if this interview for an it job there goes well i can get some bandwidth admin status.. hmmm... |
| 02:02:23 | jmhodges | hifives kergoth you tell em |
| 02:04:24 | jmhodges | thinks kergoth got kicked again |
| 02:05:11 | kergoth | heheh |
| 02:05:26 | jmhodges | ah there we go :) |
| 02:05:30 | jmhodges | ok im going back in |
| 02:05:34 | jmhodges | bribery here i come |
| 02:05:54 | kergoth | hah |
| 02:05:55 | kergoth | have fun |
| 02:06:04 | treke|home | jmhodges: theres another really sucky part |
| 02:06:07 | treke|home | jmhodges: Its called class |
| 02:06:07 | jmhodges | shit what? |
| 02:06:10 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 02:06:42 | kergoth | i need to start eating at a regular time |
| 02:06:46 | kergoth | i just started cooking dinner |
| 02:06:54 | jmhodges | im trying to be positive about taht.. im seeing myself as a scholar and not just a student .. makes it sound better in my haead and more bearable to my body that hates getting up early |
| 02:07:00 | treke|home | kergoth: so its only 8 |
| 02:07:06 | kergoth | well, 10 here |
| 02:07:08 | kergoth | but yeah |
| 02:07:15 | kergoth | i should eat at like 7 or 8 |
| 02:07:15 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:07:17 | jmhodges | yow |
| 02:07:38 | treke|home | jmhodges: 10:00 clases make it even more bearable than mental imagry |
| 02:08:22 | jmhodges | hehe .. my ealiest class is bowling at 9:30 |
| 02:08:29 | kergoth | bowling at 9:30? |
| 02:08:30 | kergoth | nice |
| 02:08:32 | jmhodges | but i have to make it to a bowling alley w/o a car |
| 02:08:34 | jmhodges | hehe yeah! |
| 02:08:39 | kergoth | still, what a way to start the day |
| 02:08:40 | W|GGL|T | debian 3.0's been released |
| 02:08:45 | kergoth | yes it has |
| 02:08:45 | kergoth | nifty eh |
| 02:08:57 | W|GGL|T | might take a look at it....MAYBE |
| 02:08:58 | W|GGL|T | hehe |
| 02:08:58 | treke|home | W|GGL|T: way to be on top of the news |
| 02:09:02 | jmhodges | but i dont stop on mon's and weds till after 6 (and i start with bowling on those days) |
| 02:09:07 | jmhodges | heheh |
| 02:09:25 | W|GGL|T | treke: was afk, just came back and saw the global notice |
| 02:09:36 | jmhodges | parents just asked him for a good long island iced tea recipe |
| 02:09:44 | jmhodges | is thankful he heard about idrink.com |
| 02:09:46 | W|GGL|T | not everyone can IRC like a fiend :oP |
| 02:09:47 | ljp | hmmmm |
| 02:09:47 | kergoth | aha |
| 02:09:51 | jmhodges | is only 18 :P |
| 02:09:52 | kergoth | idrink.com rules |
| 02:09:54 | jmhodges | thanks guys |
| 02:10:00 | HrAbbey | anybody here tried qcopilot? How speedy is it? |
| 02:10:04 | kergoth | speaking of which, i should go make myself a long island |
| 02:10:10 | W|GGL|T | away again |
| 02:10:32 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 02:10:44 | kergoth | hm i should see if my brats are done too |
| 02:10:46 | kergoth | brb |
| 02:11:02 | ljp | you are cooking children? |
| 02:11:45 | jmhodges | :D |
| 02:12:17 | kergoth | "Chris Larson's cooking Johnsonville brats! ats..ats..ats." |
| 02:12:20 | kergoth | remember those commercials? |
| 02:13:42 | jmhodges | god i hated those |
| 02:13:42 | kergoth | hehe |
| 02:13:42 | kergoth | me too |
| 02:13:43 | kergoth | annoying as hell |
| 02:13:43 | kergoth | and yet it was etched into my memory |
| 02:13:43 | treke|home | doesnt remember them |
| 02:13:43 | kergoth | thanks a lot, johnsonville |
| 02:13:43 | treke|home | must be too young |
| 02:13:43 | kergoth | fuckers |
| 02:13:44 | kergoth | me? or you? |
| 02:13:44 | kergoth | hehe |
| 02:13:49 | kergoth | how old are you treke? |
| 02:13:58 | treke|home | 20 |
| 02:14:05 | treke|home | I must be |
| 02:14:05 | kergoth | ah |
| 02:14:06 | kergoth | <-22 |
| 02:14:19 | treke|home | or maybe I just didnt watch enough tv :) |
| 02:14:27 | kergoth | thats probably more likely |
| 02:14:28 | kergoth | hehe |
| 02:15:25 | kergoth | oh fuck... ahahaha i think i know why my flash access doesnt work in 2.5.21!! |
| 02:15:29 | kergoth | dances a jig |
| 02:16:11 | ljp | because the macromedia module hasnt been written yet? |
| 02:16:59 | kergoth | smacks ljp |
| 02:17:35 | codemnky | i'm back |
| 02:18:51 | kergoth | re |
| 02:18:54 | | speedy2 was last seen on #zaurus 8 hours, 3 minutes and 25 seconds ago, saying: kergoth: I know, I know! [Fri Jul 19 19:15:29 2002] |
| 02:18:54 | kergoth | ibot: seen speedy2? |
| 02:19:35 | jmhodges | sigh.. now there making me find grasshoppers jesus |
| 02:22:27 | kergoth | /* noddy implementation alert! */ |
| 02:22:28 | kergoth | hmm |
| 02:22:32 | kergoth | i love code comments |
| 02:22:50 | codemnky | speaking of which |
| 02:22:59 | codemnky | i just found a funny one in my code a developer did |
| 02:23:16 | codemnky | # Kludge Modlett to appease sales dorks |
| 02:23:16 | codemnky | # |
| 02:23:16 | codemnky | # This is for stupid shit that people come up with and need within like 10 minutes. |
| 02:23:16 | codemnky | # (Also known as the "This_Has_Five_Million_Dollars_Riding_On_It Modlett") |
| 02:23:16 | codemnky | # |
| 02:23:16 | jmhodges | noddy ? |
| 02:23:27 | jmhodges | lol |
| 02:23:30 | kergoth | lol |
| 02:23:38 | codemnky | heh |
| 02:24:27 | jmhodges | ok now i get to go off and bribe bribe bribe! |
| 02:24:49 | codemnky | you guys know the site i'm been working on, for 7 long years? |
| 02:24:56 | codemnky | http://www.mycity.com |
| 02:24:57 | jmhodges | uh.. no sorry .. |
| 02:24:58 | jmhodges | :) |
| 02:24:59 | jmhodges | ah |
| 02:25:25 | jmhodges | yes? |
| 02:25:38 | codemnky | ? |
| 02:25:55 | jmhodges | thought there was more |
| 02:26:00 | codemnky | heh |
| 02:26:05 | jmhodges | ") |
| 02:26:07 | codemnky | 1 site |
| 02:26:08 | jmhodges | cool codemnky |
| 02:26:11 | jmhodges | damn dude |
| 02:26:19 | codemnky | 50,000 cities |
| 02:27:10 | codemnky | http://www.mycity.com/geo/usa/states/florida/metros/hollywood/cities/hollywood/home/ |
| 02:27:12 | codemnky | look |
| 02:27:16 | codemnky | under the search box |
| 02:28:15 | kergoth | is watching a knights tale |
| 02:28:24 | codemnky | see it jmhodges? |
| 02:29:30 | jmhodges | sorry was away |
| 02:29:31 | jmhodges | looking.. |
| 02:29:53 | jmhodges | ROFL |
| 02:29:55 | jmhodges | LOL |
| 02:29:58 | jmhodges | awesome! |
| 02:30:03 | codemnky | heheh |
| 02:30:24 | jmhodges | ;) thanks codemnky |
| 02:31:12 | jmhodges | you even setup a font for it! |
| 02:31:14 | jmhodges | lol! |
| 02:31:33 | codemnky | $FONT_FACE |
| 02:31:36 | codemnky | madlib |
| 02:31:49 | codemnky | heard of zope? |
| 02:31:52 | jmhodges | :D |
| 02:32:00 | jmhodges | yeah im a python guy myself |
| 02:32:03 | codemnky | it's not zope - i made it 5 years ago |
| 02:32:12 | jmhodges | lol |
| 02:32:20 | codemnky | but it's bascially the same, i sure wish i knew zope then |
| 02:32:26 | jmhodges | hehehehehe |
| 02:32:40 | codemnky | zope pretty cool-eo |
| 02:32:58 | jmhodges | :) |
| 02:33:16 | codemnky | you know dmoz? |
| 02:33:25 | jmhodges | nope |
| 02:33:26 | jmhodges | shit |
| 02:33:27 | jmhodges | gtg |
| 02:33:28 | jmhodges | sorry |
| 02:33:39 | codemnky | :( |
| 02:35:35 | ljp | new pastime this summer: go watch fires |
| 02:35:52 | codemnky | i saw them as i was flying from CA to FL |
| 02:35:55 | codemnky | very impresive |
| 02:38:04 | kergoth | hmm |
| 02:38:14 | kergoth | too much coke and too much tequila in my long island |
| 02:38:20 | kergoth | is out of practice in mixing |
| 02:41:29 | kergoth_ | god i hate this part of this movie |
| 02:41:31 | kergoth_ | like the peasants really know the words to a song by queen |
| 02:41:33 | kergoth_ | hehe |
| 02:43:27 | codemnky | heh |
| 02:43:34 | codemnky | sounds like my kinda drink |
| 02:44:02 | codemnky | so that's your coding secret |
| 02:44:26 | kergoth_ | hah, i try to avoid coding drunk |
| 02:44:35 | kergoth_ | cause i end up just falling asleep |
| 02:44:36 | kergoth_ | hehe |
| 02:44:46 | kergoth_ | eats his dinner and watches his movie |
| 02:46:20 | codemnky | knights tale is good |
| 02:46:22 | codemnky | i liked it |
| 02:46:34 | kergoth_ | yeah me too |
| 02:59:28 | warmi | re |
| 02:59:35 | codemnky | er |
| 03:00:15 | kergoth__ | re |
| 03:00:21 | codemnky | er |
| 03:01:16 | codemnky | fs |
| 03:06:34 | Cloudchaser | heya.. |
| 03:06:52 | Cloudchaser | kergoth.. any eta on oz with patch backed out? |
| 03:14:40 | warmi | anyone know where to get this ROMs for Qtopia GameBoy Emulator |
| 03:14:45 | warmi | I think I know how to speed it up |
| 03:15:22 | Cloudchaser | hiya warmi |
| 03:15:30 | Cloudchaser | hey kergoth.. |
| 03:15:46 | W|GGL|T | night all |
| 03:15:47 | W|GGL|T | is away: nite all |
| 03:16:03 | Cloudchaser | night W|GGL|T |
| 03:16:38 | warmi | holly crap .. this guy does QImage:smoothScale() on each repaint |
| 03:16:41 | warmi | uhh |
| 03:21:34 | HrAbbey | warmi: you were asking about where to get GameBoy Roms for Gnuboy? |
| 03:21:47 | HrAbbey | warmi: Only free one I've found: http://www.1000klub.com/Qbert/ |
| 03:22:47 | warmi | ok |
| 03:22:51 | warmi | let me check that out |
| 03:22:52 | warmi | thanks |
| 03:24:31 | HrAbbey | no prob. |
| 03:32:38 | HrAbbey | Anybody else notice categories are being scratched out of the development contest? |
| 03:33:05 | HrAbbey | I guess that means 5 people have signed up so far... |
| 03:33:18 | warmi | yeah |
| 03:33:49 | Cloudchaser | i signed up with something different...waiting to see if its approved |
| 03:33:52 | warmi | but treke said it is more than that cause he already signed up for VNC viewer and that entry is still shown as available |
| 03:34:11 | warmi | hehe |
| 03:34:14 | warmi | alright got to go |
| 03:34:18 | warmi | see you later |
| 03:36:28 | Cloudchaser | etherial for z would be cool |
| 03:37:45 | Guest | hello |
| 03:38:18 | Cloudchaser | hello |
| 03:38:53 | Cloudchaser | HrAbbey: did you sign up? |
| 03:39:21 | HrAbbey | Nah. Since I just got a real job, I figure I'd better not. |
| 03:39:40 | Cloudchaser | why not? |
| 03:40:03 | HrAbbey | Moving to new apartment, getting used to getting up in the morning, that type of thing... |
| 03:40:20 | HrAbbey | Plus, none of the app.s really appealed to me. |
| 03:40:22 | Cloudchaser | ah time constraints |
| 03:40:30 | HrAbbey | If I write one, it will be for my wwwoffle ipkg. |
| 04:08:16 | Speedy2 | re |
| 04:11:36 | CloudChaser | hiya |
| 04:11:53 | Speedy2 | Hey Cloud |
| 04:12:39 | CloudChaser | i have trying to figure out qtopia designer stuff |
| 04:12:51 | Speedy2 | ah |
| 04:13:02 | CloudChaser | a bit confused |
| 04:13:06 | Speedy2 | hrm |
| 04:13:11 | Speedy2 | No help here, I haven't messed with it |
| 04:13:14 | CloudChaser | i want to use the qt-designer |
| 04:13:27 | Speedy2 | (warmi seems to know a lot, ask him if/when he's around?) |
| 04:14:55 | CloudChaser | oki |
| 04:17:12 | Speedy2 | He was even talking about how he likes the qt-designer stuff |
| 04:17:24 | Speedy2 | CloudChaser: You could try a KDE development channel too |
| 04:17:58 | CloudChaser | i'm afraid i'm hopeless ;( |
| 04:18:01 | Speedy2 | Why so? |
| 04:18:43 | CloudChaser | i read all this stuff .. how to's and don't know if i need to do them all |
| 04:18:49 | CloudChaser | and i don't have any programming |
| 04:19:22 | Speedy2 | experience? |
| 04:19:30 | CloudChaser | nope |
| 04:19:42 | Speedy2 | I was attempting to complete your sentence |
| 04:19:58 | CloudChaser | yes, ihave no experience |
| 04:20:30 | Speedy2 | Well, have you ever done any C? |
| 04:20:35 | CloudChaser | no |
| 04:20:49 | Speedy2 | hrm |
| 04:20:51 | CloudChaser | i have a friend who said he'd do the c++ if i made the gui |
| 04:21:00 | Speedy2 | hrm. |
| 04:21:05 | CloudChaser | so i thought i could maybe figure out qt-designer |
| 04:21:39 | HrAbbey | It don't look that terrible... |
| 04:21:55 | CloudChaser | trying to find it to download it |
| 04:22:06 | HrAbbey | Ah... |
| 04:22:20 | HrAbbey | What linux Distro? |
| 04:22:20 | CloudChaser | i go to trolltech |
| 04:22:26 | CloudChaser | and there's all kinds of qt stuff |
| 04:22:30 | CloudChaser | red hat 7.2 |
| 04:23:41 | HrAbbey | The ZZone howto mentions http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/downloads/qtopia-free-1.5.0-1.i386.rpm, which I think contains Qt-designer. |
| 04:23:52 | HrAbbey | Not sure, as I use Debian. |
| 04:24:20 | CloudChaser | i thought the qtopia was 2.32 |
| 04:25:05 | CloudChaser | maybe kergoth would know |
| 04:25:10 | HrAbbey | Qtopia? Qt? I can never keep track of which is which |
| 04:25:17 | CloudChaser | yeah me either |
| 04:25:25 | CloudChaser | kergoth... |
| 04:25:32 | CloudChaser | if i wanted to try out qt-designer |
| 04:25:39 | HrAbbey | kergoth: what's current ver of qtopia's SDK? 1.5.0? |
| 04:25:41 | CloudChaser | do you know what i'd need to get? |
| 04:26:20 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Hello, you here? |
| 04:27:05 | HrAbbey | maybe his computer just auto-rejoined him... |
| 04:27:10 | CloudChaser | yeah |
| 04:27:38 | HrAbbey | I'd take a look at the qtopia-free rpm, as I'm pretty sure that's the one. |
| 04:27:49 | CloudChaser | found link to get current sdk but don't see where to download it |
| 04:28:01 | CloudChaser | oh found it |
| 04:28:09 | CloudChaser | says 1.31 |
| 04:28:15 | CloudChaser | its demo |
| 04:28:20 | HrAbbey | Hmmm... Where you looking? |
| 04:28:20 | CloudChaser | that sounds old |
| 04:28:36 | CloudChaser | http://qpe.sourceforge.net/ |
| 04:31:29 | CloudChaser | then there's qt/embedded 2.32 |
| 04:31:59 | CloudChaser | and open source qtopia sdk |
| 04:32:15 | HrAbbey | Yeah, the sdk is what you want. |
| 04:35:18 | HrAbbey | yeah, digging through some old e-mails, qtopia-free, the sdk, should be where qt-designer is found. |
| 04:35:30 | CloudChaser | thanks |
| 04:35:49 | jmhodges | bribing makes you eeeeeevil |
| 04:36:06 | HrAbbey | but if it gets the job done... |
| 04:36:28 | jmhodges | not when you are gooooood |
| 04:36:34 | jmhodges | veeeeeerrrry gooooood |
| 04:36:41 | jmhodges | char is a goody two shoes |
| 04:37:07 | jmhodges | so ill have to find out the correct arg's to get this guy off .. |
| 04:38:12 | CloudChaser | ok got that and installed it..found a how-to |
| 04:38:24 | jmhodges | sucks kergoth |
| 04:38:26 | CloudChaser | if i can understand it all |
| 04:38:32 | jmhodges | btw bribing makes you eeeeeevil kergoth |
| 04:39:00 | CloudChaser | looks like i need cross compiler too |
| 04:39:16 | HrAbbey | CloudChaser: you might want to download a bit of opie for examples of GUI setups, since you've never messed with it before. |
| 04:39:38 | HrAbbey | you'll need the cross compiler unless you can get your C friend to handle that part. |
| 04:41:17 | jmhodges | thinks he remembers taht its not too hard to make a cross-compiler |
| 04:41:37 | Speedy2 | jmhodges: To make or to get? |
| 04:41:40 | Speedy2 | TO make is hell, to get is easy |
| 04:42:15 | jmhodges | i thought it was just : uh.. damn dont have the file on me |
| 04:42:21 | jmhodges | nm/ |
| 04:42:31 | jmhodges | i concede due to lack of evidence :) |
| 04:42:36 | Speedy2 | jmhodges: Heh, making the compiler is such a PITA, thank goodness you can download ones |
| 04:43:04 | jmhodges | ack id rather build it |
| 04:43:26 | Speedy2 | babab |
| 04:43:29 | Speedy2 | hahah |
| 04:43:29 | Speedy2 | Ok |
| 04:43:30 | Speedy2 | Whatever |
| 04:43:58 | jmhodges | nono im serious.. its the only way i feel i can understand where the app is going |
| 04:44:08 | jmhodges | one more reason im on a src based distro |
| 04:44:24 | Speedy2 | Yeah...like you'll really understand a 4000 file cross-compiler toolchain |
| 04:44:37 | Speedy2 | (by compiling it) |
| 04:44:42 | jmhodges | shrugs |
| 04:44:45 | jmhodges | ill give it a go |
| 04:44:55 | jmhodges | its more info than what i would normally get |
| 04:49:06 | [DrEvil] | it has begun |
| 04:49:10 | [DrEvil] | EvilROM 2.0 |
| 04:49:24 | jmhodges | hehehe |
| 04:49:45 | [DrEvil] | new and improved |
| 04:49:48 | [DrEvil] | with BT support |
| 04:49:56 | jmhodges | whats new and improved? |
| 04:49:58 | jmhodges | BT? |
| 04:50:15 | [DrEvil] | BlueTooth |
| 04:50:30 | [DrEvil] | i am ripping apart the sharp rom |
| 04:50:36 | [DrEvil] | going to get rid of the cruft |
| 04:50:49 | jmhodges | ah cool |
| 04:50:59 | [DrEvil] | then I will add the important stuff |
| 04:51:00 | jmhodges | like what cruft? |
| 04:51:16 | jmhodges | like what? |
| 04:51:20 | [DrEvil] | Hancom |
| 04:51:30 | [DrEvil] | which I will install as an IPK to SD later |
| 04:51:46 | [DrEvil] | the games |
| 04:51:49 | [DrEvil] | and the PIM stuff |
| 04:51:55 | [DrEvil] | since I have all the tkc apps |
| 04:52:01 | [DrEvil] | the games can be on SD |
| 04:52:05 | HrAbbey | 5500 ROM? |
| 04:52:09 | [DrEvil] | yeah |
| 04:52:16 | CloudChaser | ooh |
| 04:52:23 | CloudChaser | i have tkc apps too |
| 04:52:34 | [DrEvil] | I thought about putting the tkc stuff in ROM |
| 04:52:36 | CloudChaser | would love to have rom with them on it instead of thed efaults |
| 04:52:39 | [DrEvil] | but they upgrade too much |
| 04:52:43 | CloudChaser | but.. updating |
| 04:52:43 | CloudChaser | hehe |
| 04:52:44 | CloudChaser | yeah |
| 04:52:56 | [DrEvil] | at least I wont have the sharp stuff cluttering it up |
| 04:53:04 | [DrEvil] | I can put more useful things in |
| 04:53:07 | CloudChaser | but stuff like samba and some others |
| 04:53:11 | CloudChaser | would be good |
| 04:53:14 | [DrEvil] | samba, |
| 04:53:17 | [DrEvil] | nfs |
| 04:53:18 | [DrEvil] | autofs |
| 04:53:31 | [DrEvil] | those are some key ingredients of EvilROM |
| 04:53:54 | [DrEvil] | I left the games in for 1.0 |
| 04:53:59 | [DrEvil] | but they are coming out |
| 04:54:01 | CloudChaser | hmm i'd like to know more about EvilROM when its ready |
| 04:54:19 | HrAbbey | Can anybody else reach the PrBoom and Scummvm packages at http://www.gnurou.org/zaurus/feed ? I can't. |
| 04:54:37 | CloudChaser | hehe i want to know about thos too.. so much to do, so little time |
| 04:54:59 | [DrEvil] | it is cool to play Fate of Atlantis on the Z |
| 04:55:07 | [DrEvil] | the screen is the right dimension |
| 04:55:21 | HrAbbey | Fate of Atlantis? Never heard of it. |
| 04:55:21 | [DrEvil] | as long as you have a good version of SDL |
| 04:55:30 | [DrEvil] | LucasArts |
| 04:55:33 | [DrEvil] | it's an Indy game |
| 04:55:46 | HrAbbey | Ah. |
| 04:55:49 | kergoth | re |
| 04:55:55 | [DrEvil] | kergoth |
| 04:56:05 | jmhodges | wb kergoth |
| 04:56:31 | kergoth | man, i'm in a good mood. just had a long island, watched a damn good movie, then beat the shit out of my heavy bag until it busted the cheap bracket it hung off my garage ceiling from. |
| 04:56:54 | [DrEvil] | what movie |
| 04:56:56 | kergoth | not much else i'd need |
| 04:57:02 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 04:57:04 | kergoth | sex of course. damnit. |
| 04:57:09 | kergoth | everything else has come together |
| 04:57:10 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:57:23 | [DrEvil] | just do the Menage Au Moi |
| 04:57:29 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: a knights tale. good movie, minus the fact that the peasants know the words to a song by queen |
| 04:57:37 | [DrEvil] | yeah |
| 04:57:38 | CloudChaser | whats SDL? |
| 04:57:39 | [DrEvil] | saw it |
| 04:57:40 | jmhodges | hehehe |
| 04:57:52 | [DrEvil] | it's more or less a gaming lib |
| 04:58:01 | | i guess sdl is Look at http://www.libsdl.org |
| 04:58:01 | HrAbbey | ibot sdl? |
| 04:58:04 | kergoth | plus.. bonus.. i found my good set of throwing knives that were missing! |
| 04:58:12 | kergoth | i should clean my garage more often |
| 04:58:14 | [DrEvil] | joy |
| 04:58:19 | CloudChaser | you guys are amazing |
| 04:58:38 | kergoth | cranks the music |
| 04:58:45 | CloudChaser | hey kergoth |
| 04:58:49 | kergoth | hey cloud |
| 04:58:50 | jmhodges | lol |
| 04:58:57 | CloudChaser | any eta on the oz rom minus the patch? |
| 04:59:14 | kergoth | no eta.. too much to do |
| 04:59:27 | CloudChaser | s'ok i'm going on vacation |
| 04:59:36 | CloudChaser | i'll look for it when i get back |
| 05:00:13 | [DrEvil] | grrr |
| 05:00:20 | [DrEvil] | tar tar tar not cp cp cp |
| 05:01:11 | [DrEvil] | if you don't use tar it adds 2 megs |
| 05:01:16 | kergoth | hmm. i need to buy a drill |
| 05:01:35 | [DrEvil] | I have a nice 18volt DeWalt hammer drill |
| 05:01:39 | [DrEvil] | it is nice |
| 05:02:17 | kergoth | nice. |
| 05:02:25 | kergoth | i have jack for equipment like that right now |
| 05:02:30 | [DrEvil] | it can twist your arm off |
| 05:02:33 | kergoth | so i cant hang my punching bag back up. |
| 05:02:34 | kergoth | heh |
| 05:02:37 | kergoth | hah |
| 05:02:48 | CloudChaser | ok i don't get this |
| 05:02:53 | [DrEvil] | I used it to remove rack computers that had been screwed in too tightly |
| 05:03:14 | [DrEvil] | it twisted so hard in hammer mode that it broke the head off the screws |
| 05:03:24 | [DrEvil] | oooh |
| 05:03:29 | [DrEvil] | I know what I am in the mood for |
| 05:03:37 | CloudChaser | in the docs it has qt 2.3.2 and 3.0.5 and the sdk i have is 1.1.0-1 |
| 05:03:38 | [DrEvil] | the glorious ninth |
| 05:03:58 | [DrEvil] | final movement |
| 05:04:50 | jmhodges | :( wish i hadnt crushed myt beethoven cd |
| 05:05:00 | [DrEvil] | crushed it? |
| 05:05:18 | [DrEvil] | why would you do a thing like that? |
| 05:05:20 | jmhodges | under the wheel of my chair |
| 05:05:28 | jmhodges | IT WAS AN ACCIDENT DAMMIT |
| 05:05:29 | [DrEvil] | I see |
| 05:05:29 | jmhodges | :( |
| 05:05:43 | [DrEvil] | I don't use original CD's in my car |
| 05:05:51 | [DrEvil] | I just burn compilation CD's and use those |
| 05:06:08 | HrAbbey | CloudChaser: I think the SDK version is independent of the Qt and Qtopia versions. |
| 05:06:47 | [DrEvil] | insurance companies don't pay for stolen CD's |
| 05:07:02 | HrAbbey | CloudChaser: Or did the SDK come with an old Qtopia too? |
| 05:07:16 | jmhodges | yeah.. well mine was in my fucking room .. im pissed about that.. also cant find my latest dave matthews cd .. tahts really got me ticked |
| 05:07:35 | [DrEvil] | silence |
| 05:07:42 | [DrEvil] | the best part is coming up |
| 05:08:49 | [DrEvil] | ultra violence |
| 05:08:51 | br33zy | ls warmi |
| 05:08:58 | br33zy | bash: warmi: no such person |
| 05:09:05 | jmhodges | lol |
| 05:09:11 | br33zy | warmi.. was .. here |
| 05:09:12 | br33zy | ahh! |
| 05:09:13 | jmhodges | ^ for [DrEvil] |
| 05:09:18 | br33zy | and.. i.. wasnt!! |
| 05:09:22 | br33zy | that sucks |
| 05:09:24 | jmhodges | mmm.. yeah |
| 05:09:25 | br33zy | later guys |
| 05:09:27 | br33zy | :-( |
| 05:09:45 | jmhodges | i pissed off br.. fuckit im not reaching for the numbers |
| 05:10:06 | [DrEvil] | the glorious ninth |
| 05:10:36 | jmhodges | hehehe |
| 05:11:48 | [DrEvil] | I love that movie |
| 05:12:55 | jmhodges | thinks |
| 05:12:59 | jmhodges | clockwork orange? |
| 05:13:03 | [DrEvil] | yez |
| 05:13:04 | jmhodges | i believe taht all connects |
| 05:13:09 | jmhodges | i should read/see that |
| 05:13:20 | [DrEvil] | you haven't seen it? |
| 05:13:26 | jmhodges | nope |
| 05:13:30 | [DrEvil] | 8gasp* |
| 05:13:33 | [DrEvil] | *gasp* |
| 05:13:36 | jmhodges | hehehe |
| 05:13:37 | [DrEvil] | how old are you? |
| 05:13:47 | jmhodges | uh... 18 |
| 05:13:53 | [DrEvil] | oh |
| 05:13:53 | [DrEvil] | ok |
| 05:13:59 | [DrEvil] | I guess you are excused |
| 05:14:16 | [DrEvil] | very trippy |
| 05:14:18 | kergoth | DAMNIT DAMNIT DAMNIT |
| 05:14:22 | kergoth | rampages |
| 05:14:28 | [DrEvil] | Malcom McDowell plays the role well |
| 05:14:37 | [DrEvil] | kergoth is in Ultra-Violent mode? |
| 05:14:47 | jmhodges | hehehe |
| 05:14:56 | kergoth | yeah. things arent liking me |
| 05:15:08 | kergoth | and me with no punching bag except the one laying on the floor of my garage |
| 05:15:10 | kergoth | sniffle |
| 05:15:11 | [DrEvil] | what isn't liking you? |
| 05:15:16 | kergoth | kernel stuff |
| 05:15:22 | jmhodges | kergoth: tackle it |
| 05:15:22 | [DrEvil] | get a side of beef |
| 05:15:27 | kergoth | it can read the flash, but cant mount it |
| 05:15:28 | kergoth | jmhodges: lol |
| 05:15:50 | jmhodges | kick its ass |
| 05:15:54 | jmhodges | all the way across the floor |
| 05:16:10 | kergoth | jmhodges: just not the same.... |
| 05:16:36 | jmhodges | hmm.. i dunno.. a baseball bat might help |
| 05:16:44 | kergoth | true that |
| 05:16:46 | kergoth | no, i've got it! |
| 05:16:50 | jmhodges | what? :) |
| 05:16:51 | kergoth | remember i said i found my throwing knives.. |
| 05:17:00 | jmhodges | lol! |
| 05:17:05 | kergoth | I have my knife/star human shaped target in the garage |
| 05:17:10 | kergoth | i dont practice enough |
| 05:17:18 | kergoth`knives | muahah |
| 05:17:23 | jmhodges | LOL |
| 05:17:34 | kergoth`knives | bbiaf, throwing sharp objects |
| 05:17:43 | [DrEvil] | you'll poke your eye out |
| 05:17:47 | jmhodges | lol |
| 05:19:16 | [DrEvil] | I want to take up shooting |
| 05:20:55 | [DrEvil] | RootFS build #1 Fri Jun 21 09:51:02 2002 root@raiden. |
| 05:21:09 | [DrEvil] | I need to automate my stripping of the rom |
| 05:21:25 | jmhodges | hehehe |
| 05:22:44 | [DrEvil] | ahh yes |
| 05:22:46 | [DrEvil] | Fluke |
| 05:24:27 | jmhodges | Fluke? |
| 05:25:00 | [DrEvil] | the band |
| 05:25:16 | jmhodges | ah! |
| 05:25:18 | kergoth`knives | aha |
| 05:25:19 | kergoth`knives | okay |
| 05:25:20 | jmhodges | i have heard of them |
| 05:25:22 | kergoth`knives | i've determined that i suck |
| 05:25:25 | [DrEvil] | is playing [ Fluke - Absurd ] ¤ M[X]S |
| 05:25:25 | jmhodges | better kergoth`? |
| 05:25:26 | jmhodges | lol |
| 05:25:31 | kergoth`knives | but |
| 05:25:33 | kergoth`knives | on the plus side.. |
| 05:25:33 | jmhodges | but i have not heard them |
| 05:25:43 | kergoth`knives | I hit the target blade first over 75% of the time |
| 05:25:46 | kergoth`knives | thats a record for me |
| 05:25:57 | kergoth`knives | its a hell of a lot harder than it looks, let me tell you |
| 05:26:18 | jmhodges | hehehe |
| 05:26:22 | jmhodges | target blade? |
| 05:27:01 | [DrEvil] | ahhh |
| 05:27:04 | [DrEvil] | I figured it out |
| 05:27:08 | kergoth`knives | i hit my target, blade-first, 75% of the time |
| 05:27:09 | [DrEvil] | diff will be my friend |
| 05:27:09 | kergoth`knives | heh |
| 05:27:15 | kergoth`knives | diff is always your friend |
| 05:27:32 | jmhodges | hehehe |
| 05:27:47 | [DrEvil] | I was trying to figure out how I was going to compare my original rom with the new sharp rom |
| 05:27:50 | [DrEvil] | to see what to delete |
| 05:28:00 | kergoth`knives | ah yeah. use a dry run of rsync, or diff. |
| 05:28:03 | [DrEvil] | so i will do a recursive ls on each |
| 05:28:07 | kergoth`knives | i was messing with that when i was doing what you're doing |
| 05:28:35 | [DrEvil] | give benmeyer those filelists!!! |
| 05:28:37 | [DrEvil] | heh |
| 05:29:04 | jmhodges | hm.. everyone makes fun of benmeyer .. why? :) |
| 05:29:38 | kergoth`knives | because he's there |
| 05:29:41 | [DrEvil] | kergoth says benmeyer is writing a script to make ipks of jeode and opera |
| 05:29:42 | kergoth`knives | why not? |
| 05:29:50 | [DrEvil] | benmeyer says he is waiting on kergoth |
| 05:29:58 | kergoth`knives | he wrote onen for hancom that works right now |
| 05:30:07 | kergoth`knives | i wrote a general one that'll make ipks of an entire sharp rom |
| 05:30:15 | kergoth`knives | but it hasnt been touched in like 6 months |
| 05:30:20 | kergoth`knives | so theres the situation |
| 05:30:20 | kergoth`knives | hehe |
| 05:30:33 | jmhodges | heh |
| 05:30:34 | [DrEvil] | but he said you have the filelists you foudn for opera and jeode |
| 05:30:44 | kergoth`knives | oh. thats easy |
| 05:30:49 | kergoth`knives | Twiun gave me the java filelist |
| 05:30:52 | kergoth`knives | i had no clue |
| 05:31:03 | [DrEvil] | he said he needs those so he can do his scripts |
| 05:31:07 | kergoth`knives | opera.. find / -name \*opera\* |
| 05:31:09 | kergoth`knives | hehe |
| 05:31:11 | kergoth`knives | ah |
| 05:31:15 | [DrEvil] | more to it than that |
| 05:31:44 | kergoth`knives | not much |
| 05:31:52 | kergoth`knives | ldd of the opera binary to check for dependencies |
| 05:32:25 | kergoth`knives | i'll look into it |
| 05:32:25 | [DrEvil] | hancom had some libs |
| 05:32:28 | kergoth`knives | if i ever have time |
| 05:32:47 | [DrEvil] | i think I have a filelist for jeode |
| 05:32:50 | [DrEvil] | and maybe opera |
| 05:32:58 | [DrEvil] | but I am missing a file in there |
| 05:32:59 | [DrEvil] | I think |
| 05:33:54 | kergoth`knives | [DrEvil]: |
| 05:33:56 | kergoth`knives | check this |
| 05:34:05 | kergoth`knives | i looked at the cvs logs, it hasnt been touched in 5 months |
| 05:34:06 | kergoth`knives | http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/openzaurus/buildroot-oz/sources/rootfs_files.txt?rev=1.1&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup |
| 05:34:36 | kergoth`knives | thats the file that controls my ipk script |
| 05:35:26 | [DrEvil] | yeah |
| 05:35:29 | kergoth`knives | my script also handles the symlink madness |
| 05:35:32 | [DrEvil] | none of the commercial stuff is in there |
| 05:35:35 | kergoth`knives | converts modules.rom -> modules, etc |
| 05:35:42 | kergoth`knives | then i never got around to adding it.. |
| 05:35:44 | kergoth`knives | heh |
| 05:35:47 | jmhodges | cool |
| 05:36:33 | kergoth`knives | /usr/local.rom/bin/apmd |
| 05:36:37 | kergoth`knives | sharp includes apmd? what for? |
| 05:36:48 | kergoth`knives | they dont use it anyway |
| 05:36:52 | [DrEvil] | I noticed they included stuff but don't use it |
| 05:37:00 | kergoth`knives | yeah its weird |
| 05:37:00 | [DrEvil] | they didn't symlink it to the main tree |
| 05:37:02 | [DrEvil] | like autofs |
| 05:37:06 | [DrEvil] | the binary is there |
| 05:37:10 | kergoth`knives | odd |
| 05:37:15 | [DrEvil] | but it isn't symlinked into / |
| 05:37:26 | kergoth`knives | apmd would run in the background, but the nice thing is.. it'd give us suspend/resume scripts |
| 05:37:58 | [DrEvil] | I did away with the built in autofs |
| 05:38:04 | [DrEvil] | the kernel wasn't built for it |
| 05:38:05 | kergoth`knives | put your own in? |
| 05:38:09 | kergoth`knives | ah |
| 05:38:10 | [DrEvil] | and it didn't support autofs4 |
| 05:38:10 | [DrEvil] | yeah |
| 05:38:19 | [DrEvil] | it was sutofs3 |
| 05:38:22 | [DrEvil] | autofs3 |
| 05:38:26 | [DrEvil] | new kernel and new autofs |
| 05:38:35 | [DrEvil] | then it was a happy camper |
| 05:39:55 | jmhodges | reboots |
| 05:41:32 | CloudChaser | g'night guys :) thanks for the help! |
| 05:41:39 | CloudChaser | got designer running! :) |
| 05:52:54 | jmhodges | aaah.. nice being in a decent os |
| 05:57:03 | jmhodges | i wonder whos left |
| 05:57:48 | [DrEvil] | me |
| 05:57:56 | [DrEvil] | but not for much longer |
| 05:58:23 | jmhodges | cool.... io\ |
| 06:07:20 | jmhodges | hey XavierXeon |
| 06:07:43 | XavierXeon | did you manag sftp witk new rom ? |
| 06:07:48 | jmhodges | begins to think XavierXeon, is DrEvil's second personality.. or is it the other way around? |
| 06:07:58 | jmhodges | havent tried it yet :/ |
| 06:08:04 | jmhodges | just booted back into lin |
| 06:08:08 | jmhodges | hold on |
| 06:08:37 | jmhodges | nope |
| 06:08:42 | jmhodges | no go |
| 06:09:20 | XavierXeon | "zaurus makes linux history" @ ZZ |
| 06:09:45 | jmhodges | cool wheres the link? (the news link is forums.. ick!) |
| 06:09:54 | XavierXeon | jmhodges: does sftp to localhost work on your pc |
| 06:10:02 | XavierXeon | http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/invboard/index.php?act=ST&f=9&t=2165&s=dd3ef0ffac45f64f6b145b6f6871d5f0 |
| 06:10:44 | jmhodges | nope |
| 06:10:54 | jmhodges | thanks XavierXeon |
| 06:11:50 | XavierXeon | does that "nope" mean no sftp to localhost on you pc ? |
| 06:12:27 | jmhodges | yes |
| 06:13:05 | XavierXeon | also http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/invboard/index.php?act=ST&f=8&t=2146&s=cfc37f2a7e931fc7a1f854261090ffc1 is kind of funny |
| 06:14:15 | XavierXeon | your sftp client on your pc does not work. what ssh version do you have on your pc ? |
| 06:14:59 | jmhodges | lvu installed openssh |
| 06:15:01 | jmhodges | 3.4p1 |
| 06:15:57 | jmhodges | lol |
| 06:16:01 | jmhodges | 3k |
| 06:16:26 | XavierXeon | i have openssh-3.4p1-5.rpm, maye a bug ? |
| 06:17:26 | jmhodges | bother |
| 06:17:26 | jmhodges | what did i miss? |
| 06:17:34 | XavierXeon | nothing |
| 06:17:51 | jmhodges | cool |
| 06:18:02 | XavierXeon | my last line was : i have openssh-3.4p1-5.rpm, maye a bug ? |
| 06:18:38 | jmhodges | hm.. i dont think so.. it would have been reported on bugs.lunar-linux.com by nwo |
| 06:19:07 | jmhodges | yeah the module for openssh was updated last on 6/26 |
| 06:19:13 | jmhodges | er.. 26/6 |
| 06:19:27 | jmhodges | whatever is more comfortable for you euros ;) |
| 06:19:51 | XavierXeon | isnt version 3.4 out for about 2 weeks ? |
| 06:20:02 | jmhodges | dunno |
| 06:20:21 | jmhodges | im letting someone else keep on top of it :) |
| 06:22:19 | XavierXeon | breakfast time |
| 06:22:34 | jmhodges | cool :) |
| 06:27:19 | jmhodges | pities kergoth__ even with his 56k dialup, hes in a better place than kergoth |
| 06:29:15 | XavierXeon | a geographically better place ? |
| 06:31:02 | jmhodges | hehe no.. in the ladder of enjoyable bandwidth |
| 06:31:06 | jmhodges | kergoth |
| 06:31:09 | jmhodges | 's |
| 06:31:12 | jmhodges | cable keeps going out |
| 06:31:21 | jmhodges | every 20 min or so |
| 06:31:25 | jmhodges | sometimes sooner |
| 06:32:26 | XavierXeon | my ISP sucks too. sometimes i have no connection for a day or two |
| 06:35:23 | jmhodges | yow |
| 06:40:21 | jmhodges | ok im outta here |
| 06:40:23 | jmhodges | gnight |
| 06:40:25 | jmhodges | and gmorn |
| 07:00:49 | hunger_ | kergoth__: pong |
| 08:13:27 | SmBJ_ | hm |
| 08:28:11 | | faq is probably at http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/zaurus-faq/ or at http://www.handhelds.org/handhelds-faq/handhelds-faq.html or at http://adorphuye.com/zaurus/java/faq.jsp |
| 08:28:11 | Rascal | ibot faq |
| 08:31:45 | | i guess java is at (Link: http://www.blackdown.org)http://www.blackdown.org or at (Link: http://www.javasoft.com)http://www.javasoft.com or at (Link: http://www.savaje.com)http://www.savaje.com or at (Link: http://www.pocketlinux.com)http://www.pocketlinux.com or at (Link: http://java.sun.com)http://java.sun.com or at http://www.insignia.com |
| 08:31:45 | Rascal | ibot java |
| 08:36:42 | Rascal | hi hi |
| 08:37:55 | Nadav | bj |
| 08:37:56 | Nadav | *hi |
| 08:38:12 | Rascal | sup Nadav |
| 08:38:21 | Nadav | not much |
| 08:38:44 | Rascal | know how to port the java from sharp rom to Open zaurus? |
| 08:39:03 | Nadav | nope |
| 08:39:04 | Nadav | i'm Z-less |
| 08:39:19 | Rascal | lol |
| 08:39:24 | Rascal | why you in this channel then? |
| 08:39:40 | Rascal | *not meaning to be rude that is* |
| 08:39:49 | Nadav | i'm following the "project" |
| 08:39:57 | Nadav | i might buy myself a Z someday too ;) |
| 08:39:57 | Rascal | that's good |
| 08:40:52 | Rascal | I'd get one now that it's majorly on sale at best buy |
| 08:41:03 | Rascal | approx 317 |
| 08:41:09 | Rascal | for the 5500 |
| 08:43:35 | Nadav | yeah |
| 08:43:50 | | well, java faq is at http://adorphuye.com/zaurus/java/faq.jsp |
| 08:43:50 | Rascal | ibot java faq |
| 09:22:11 | NetAmp | is playing Mario World 2 on his Z |
| 09:22:19 | NetAmp | heh it's actually pretty cool :) |
| 09:22:33 | NetAmp | if only it were a bit faster and maybe some sound.. |
| 09:22:53 | NetAmp | but it's ok |
| 09:29:37 | Nadav | heh |
| 10:08:07 | NetAmp | yay |
| 10:08:16 | NetAmp | my G2 screen protectors have arrived :) |
| 10:08:38 | Nadav | heh |
| 10:08:46 | Nadav | lucky you |
| 10:08:47 | Nadav | :P |
| 10:08:51 | NetAmp | yeah! ;) |
| 10:09:35 | NetAmp | hope so |
| 10:09:56 | NetAmp | that i'll be lucky installing one |
| 10:10:00 | NetAmp | seems a bit tricky.. |
| 10:10:15 | NetAmp | but hopefully it'll protect my cute investment ;) |
| 10:10:16 | NetAmp | hehe |
| 10:10:41 | NetAmp | well at least it's screen... |
| 10:11:00 | NetAmp | hrm my Z says "battery status Critical" |
| 10:11:14 | NetAmp | the dialog that keeps appearing is pretty annoying :P |
| 10:11:14 | Nadav | Run! |
| 10:11:21 | Nadav | lol |
| 10:11:33 | NetAmp | Nadav: you think so? could it mean "selfdestruct in 10 secs"? |
| 10:11:36 | NetAmp | AAAAAAAAAHHH!!! |
| 10:11:48 | NetAmp | runs, ducks, and takes cover |
| 10:11:51 | NetAmp | *phew* |
| 10:12:15 | Nadav | hahah |
| 10:12:29 | Nadav | God, it's hot in here |
| 10:12:33 | Nadav | I'll go turn the AC up |
| 10:12:36 | NetAmp | :) |
| 10:12:41 | NetAmp | heh |
| 10:12:52 | Nadav | there |
| 10:15:30 | cxm | hey anyone from openzaurus here? |
| 10:15:51 | cxm | if I have an app and it isn't binary compatible, how can I fix it? |
| 10:16:03 | Rince | recompile it? |
| 10:16:28 | cxm | I suppose I'd need the open zaurus libs and so on - is there a FAQ for downloading and installing them? |
| 10:17:30 | cxm | ideally I'd like one shell script that I can run which will download all the sources and build the lot, so I can get started developing apps |
| 10:27:19 | NetAmp | sweet |
| 10:27:37 | NetAmp | they actually posted those G2's like Wednesday |
| 10:27:58 | NetAmp | and I got them today (sat.) |
| 10:28:10 | NetAmp | pretty fast for 'snail mail' from Canada |
| 10:28:15 | NetAmp | thanks the postmen |
| 10:29:58 | Nadav | heh |
| 10:30:03 | Nadav | that IS pretty fast |
| 10:30:42 | NetAmp | :) |
| 10:31:07 | NetAmp | now for the hard task of getting my Z's screen dust-free |
| 10:31:12 | NetAmp | heh that'll take me a while ;) |
| 10:31:37 | NetAmp | it's actually full of little dust particles... |
| 10:31:57 | Nadav | heh |
| 10:32:16 | NetAmp | but first I need to post something myself... |
| 10:32:25 | NetAmp | have a nice day :) |
| 10:32:30 | NetAmp | bbl |
| 11:20:29 | ][N-Flux | is back (gone 24:31:35) |
| 12:10:00 | BaernStei | hi guy's |
| 12:10:12 | XavierXeon | hi |
| 12:10:31 | BaernStei | can anyone tell me the addy of the openzaurus feed ??? thx |
| 12:10:45 | | it has been said that feed is a package repository or http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds or http://www.zauruszone.com/feed/ or http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/ for OpenZaurus |
| 12:10:45 | XavierXeon | ibot feed |
| 12:11:53 | BaernStei | welll such an easy question but THANKS A LOT !!!!! |
| 12:12:00 | BaernStei | :-) |
| 12:24:26 | XavierXeon | morning CloudChaser |
| 12:25:26 | msdina | Hi Cloud |
| 12:25:59 | NetAmp | ARGH!! |
| 12:26:17 | NetAmp | the friggin' plastic won't fit |
| 12:27:04 | CloudChaser | 'mornin |
| 12:27:13 | NetAmp | morning cloud |
| 12:28:56 | NetAmp | is anyone else using G2's? |
| 12:29:12 | NetAmp | it won't fit on the Z's screen :| |
| 12:29:29 | NetAmp | maybe they sent me the wrong ones... |
| 12:29:31 | George- | NetAmp: huh? |
| 12:29:37 | George- | NetAmp: It doesn't fit?!?! |
| 12:29:40 | NetAmp | pdascreenprotectors.com |
| 12:29:43 | NetAmp | no |
| 12:29:54 | George- | NetAmp: darien|away uses G2's according to his website |
| 12:30:05 | NetAmp | George-: you have a Z/ |
| 12:30:05 | NetAmp | ? |
| 12:30:18 | NetAmp | look at the right |
| 12:30:23 | NetAmp | where the light is |
| 12:30:38 | NetAmp | won't fit under the frame there :S |
| 12:33:07 | George- | NetAmp: Yes it should |
| 12:33:23 | George- | NetAmp: It's a bit of a tight squeeze, but plastic *does* go under there |
| 12:33:39 | NetAmp | hm.. i'll go try again.... |
| 12:37:03 | killefiz | NetAmp|brb: how much was shipping? |
| 12:47:57 | George- | NetAmp|brb: success? |
| 12:48:02 | George- | NetAmp|brb: How clear are the G2's? |
| 13:09:32 | treke|home | away |
| 13:10:53 | ljp | ibot: message for kergoth: could you add a line in the oz README at sf about the new security patch and sync/ftp please? |
| 13:12:46 | George- | ljp: what? |
| 13:13:55 | XavierXeon | how do i make kismet work on oz ? |
| 13:15:47 | CloudChaser | heya.. i have a general linux question |
| 13:16:03 | CloudChaser | i want to copy stuff onto CF card.. i have pcmcia adapter |
| 13:16:15 | CloudChaser | i got one other card to work fine, but can't remember what i did |
| 13:16:20 | George- | yeh>? |
| 13:16:30 | George- | heh |
| 13:16:35 | George- | it should be /dev/hde |
| 13:16:45 | ljp | George: http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/invboard/index.php?act=ST&f=11&t=2153&s=2813e9946c81552ac0a1ff6870e00918 |
| 13:16:45 | George- | it should be /dev/hde[1,2,3,4,5,6 etc] |
| 13:17:01 | George- | (or at least, on all the laptop's I've used so far, it has been) |
| 13:17:01 | George- | ljp: thx |
| 13:17:07 | ljp | cf is /dev/hda1 |
| 13:17:13 | CloudChaser | ok but the question is...does each cf card have to have differnt number? |
| 13:17:20 | treke|home | CloudChaser: no |
| 13:17:32 | CloudChaser | so it "should" work if i swap cf cards then |
| 13:17:37 | George- | ljp: On a PCMCIA CF->PCMCIA converter |
| 13:17:40 | treke|home | CloudChaser: The numbers represent the partitions on the card |
| 13:17:45 | George- | ljp: it's /dev/hde, normally |
| 13:18:32 | killefiz | ljp: is the zaurus sync already working in kde cvs? |
| 13:18:55 | ljp | hmmm yes and no |
| 13:19:06 | ljp | kdepim has bugs |
| 13:19:07 | George- | ljp: hmm, what application? |
| 13:19:12 | George- | ljp: In which module? |
| 13:19:21 | George- | ljp: I have KDE CVS from last week... |
| 13:19:31 | George- | oh, I never checkout kdepim |
| 13:21:23 | CloudChaser | ok in my /etc/fstab i have /dev/hde1 /mnt/flash vfat defaults 0 0 |
| 13:21:39 | killefiz | hmm - i should be able to just checkout and compile kdepim and use it with kde 3.0 - shouldn't I? |
| 13:21:46 | NetAmp|brb | killefiz: shipping G2's $3.95 |
| 13:21:51 | treke|home | CloudChaser: hda if this is for your zaurus |
| 13:22:11 | killefiz | NetAmp|brb: is it any good? |
| 13:22:19 | CloudChaser | no its for cf card...i don't have usb set up and need to transfer files to card |
| 13:22:28 | NetAmp|brb | killefiz: well, I can tell you it's hell installing :) |
| 13:22:32 | NetAmp|brb | err :( :( |
| 13:22:36 | Nadav | heh |
| 13:22:41 | Nadav | did you get it installed right? |
| 13:22:44 | treke|home | CloudChaser: And you probably just want hde not hde1 |
| 13:22:54 | NetAmp|brb | I screwed up one of 'em |
| 13:23:05 | NetAmp|brb | but the second one is now in place |
| 13:23:32 | CloudChaser | ok got it ;) |
| 13:23:35 | CloudChaser | i think |
| 13:24:51 | CloudChaser | ok got one to work |
| 13:25:12 | CloudChaser | but other one won't |
| 13:25:47 | NetAmp | killefiz: I guess not as good as i thought.. |
| 13:25:55 | NetAmp | killefiz: but still they're very clear |
| 13:26:18 | NetAmp | killefiz: and at least now I won't scratch the screen that easily :) |
| 13:26:29 | killefiz | damn - i was about to order a couple |
| 13:26:36 | NetAmp | It was hard to get it under the edge on the right |
| 13:27:35 | NetAmp | killefiz: maybe you could get a single pack like I did, but prepare for sitting a while in applying it |
| 13:28:02 | BigBoss | howdy |
| 13:28:14 | NetAmp | hiya BB |
| 13:28:36 | killefiz | NetAmp: I was thinking about looking for others wanting some and bulk order the protectors. |
| 13:29:07 | XavierXeon | killefiz: i would be intersted |
| 13:29:08 | NetAmp | killefiz: smart idea ;) |
| 13:29:39 | killefiz | XavierXeon: I'll post on zaurus.help4free.de |
| 13:29:45 | XavierXeon | ok |
| 13:30:33 | NetAmp | hm.. |
| 13:30:44 | NetAmp | touch recognition isn't really influenced I believe |
| 13:30:52 | NetAmp | like darien said |
| 13:31:15 | NetAmp | only it looks a bit strange now in certain angles |
| 13:31:29 | NetAmp | but you don't really notice with the screen on |
| 13:31:54 | NetAmp | I guess it's because of the G2's coating |
| 13:32:25 | CloudChaser | ok i can mount one of my cards, but when i eject it and put in another i get this: |
| 13:32:34 | CloudChaser | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hde1, |
| 13:32:34 | CloudChaser | or too many mounted file systems |
| 13:32:34 | CloudChaser | (could this be the IDE device where you in fact use |
| 13:32:34 | CloudChaser | ide-scsi so that sr0 or sda or so is needed?) |
| 13:33:06 | George- | killefiz: heh, I want some! :() |
| 13:33:11 | George- | s/:()/:) |
| 13:33:29 | CloudChaser | grr.. now the other one doesn't work either |
| 13:34:04 | George- | NetAmp: What are the G2's like? |
| 13:34:12 | George- | NetAmp: I'm gonna order 4 in a few hours :) |
| 13:34:54 | killefiz | George-: are you in germany? |
| 13:35:10 | George- | killefiz: no |
| 13:35:15 | George- | killefiz: UK |
| 13:35:23 | George- | killefiz: London, to be precise |
| 13:35:56 | NetAmp | George: well I guess they're ok... |
| 13:36:04 | NetAmp | just applying was pretty hard |
| 13:36:16 | NetAmp | especially on the side where the light is |
| 13:36:31 | NetAmp | which is a real tight fit |
| 13:36:48 | NetAmp | and I found it hard to keep dust-free |
| 13:37:25 | [George] | killefiz: I was d/c |
| 13:38:04 | [George] | killefiz: UK |
| 13:38:06 | [George] | killefiz: London, to be precise |
| 13:38:10 | [George] | (just backquoting) |
| 13:38:58 | Nadav | [17:45] <George-> killefiz: London, to be precise |
| 13:38:59 | Nadav | [17:46] <NetAmp> George: well I guess they're ok... |
| 13:38:59 | Nadav | [17:46] <NetAmp> just applying was pretty hard |
| 13:38:59 | Nadav | [17:46] <NetAmp> especially on the side where the light is |
| 13:38:59 | Nadav | [17:46] <NetAmp> which is a real tight fit |
| 13:38:59 | Nadav | [17:47] <NetAmp> and I found it hard to keep dust-free |
| 13:39:01 | Nadav | [17:47] *** [George] has joined #Zaurus |
| 13:39:03 | Nadav | All you missed. |
| 13:39:18 | [George] | Nadav: thx |
| 13:39:38 | George- | better :) |
| 13:39:45 | Nadav | heh |
| 13:40:06 | George- | NetAmp: Yes, I heard you must keep it absolutely dust free before applying |
| 13:40:15 | George- | NetAmp: because the protectors are so clear :) |
| 13:40:18 | NetAmp | indeed |
| 13:41:01 | George- | NetAmp: Apparently, the best place to do it, is in the shower room; turn on the hot water until you start to see the mirrors fog up a bit, and apply it |
| 13:41:16 | George- | NetAmp: that gets rid of the static, so the dust problem is made smaller |
| 13:42:19 | NetAmp | smaller yes |
| 13:42:35 | NetAmp | I actually did apply it in the shower room |
| 13:43:55 | killefiz | XavierXeon: http://zaurus.help4free.de/html/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=331&forum=1 |
| 13:45:46 | George- | killefiz: what's that? |
| 13:46:09 | killefiz | George-: that's the posting that i've made on a german site about my planned bulk order |
| 13:46:28 | George- | heh |
| 13:46:37 | George- | I'm ordering 4 & a KlearWipe thing |
| 13:46:51 | killefiz | Hey - is anyone at the linuxbierwanderung/ireland in August? |
| 13:47:09 | George- | huh? |
| 13:47:15 | George- | The Linux Beer Party? :) |
| 13:47:23 | killefiz | No - the linux beer hike |
| 13:47:32 | killefiz | see http://www.lbw2002.draiocht.net/ |
| 13:48:30 | George- | that's it |
| 13:48:33 | George- | Couldn't remember the name |
| 13:48:40 | George- | heh, are under 18s allowed? :) |
| 13:48:47 | tux_mike | http://www.popsci.com/popsci/auto/article/0,12543,320360,00.html - wow... this car has a lawnmower engine in it |
| 13:49:04 | killefiz | George-: sure - why now |
| 13:49:22 | treke|home | CloudChaser: Aha! |
| 13:49:30 | CloudChaser | ahah what? |
| 13:49:39 | George- | hmm, actually, I'm going to Taiwan in August |
| 13:49:41 | George- | *damn* |
| 13:49:45 | treke|home | CloudChaser: Found the really obvious reason you have to go to 8bit color for vnc to work :) |
| 13:49:50 | George- | heh, maybe next year :) |
| 13:49:53 | CloudChaser | why's that? |
| 13:50:08 | treke|home | It only knows how to draw 32bit and 8 bit color :) |
| 13:50:16 | treke|home | The code for any other case is this: |
| 13:50:20 | treke|home | p.setBrush( QBrush( Qt::black ) ); |
| 13:50:20 | treke|home | p.drawRect( x, y, w, h ); |
| 13:50:24 | killefiz | George-: see you next year then ;) |
| 13:50:44 | George- | killefiz: hehe |
| 13:50:48 | George- | killefiz: then again, maybe not |
| 13:51:12 | CloudChaser | brb have to restart cause i messed up :( |
| 13:51:19 | CloudChaser | didn't unmount my cf card |
| 13:51:27 | CloudChaser | thought it was like cdrom...auto |
| 13:51:36 | CloudChaser | sighs |
| 14:00:10 | NetAmp | "The G2 is good value for money. However, the choice of screen protector does depend on the personal preference of each individual user. The G2 does however offer the consumer an added choice and alternative. |
| 14:00:10 | NetAmp | " |
| 14:00:49 | NetAmp | that's from a review... i guess that's true, it depends on what you want |
| 14:01:09 | CloudChaser | yes! :) |
| 14:01:13 | CloudChaser | dances |
| 14:01:36 | Nadav | ? |
| 14:02:16 | NetAmp | CloudChaser: congrats ;) |
| 14:02:17 | NetAmp | hehe |
| 14:02:46 | CloudChaser | makes a note to unmount manually :) |
| 14:02:57 | George- | CloudChaser: heh, fool :) |
| 14:03:02 | George- | CloudChaser: I learnt that :) |
| 14:03:21 | CloudChaser | don't be calliing me a fool george |
| 14:03:40 | George- | I'm a fool too |
| 14:03:40 | George- | = |
| 14:03:40 | George- | P |
| 14:03:40 | George- | =P |
| 14:03:47 | George- | join the fools' gang :) |
| 14:04:14 | George- | --- seemant is now known as seemant|ZzZzZz |
| 14:04:18 | George- | * seemant|ZzZzZz is away: MYOB |
| 14:04:20 | George- | haha |
| 14:04:23 | George- | MYOB? :) |
| 14:07:28 | XavierXeon | CloudChaser: you are spoiled by redhat. other distros do not auto(un)mount CDs |
| 14:08:11 | XavierXeon | there may be way to automount CF cards |
| 14:15:43 | ][N-Flux | is away: Grandparents |
| 14:28:35 | treke|home | CloudChaser: All fixed. 16 bit color works now :) |
| 14:59:44 | W|GGL|T | is back (gone 11:43:55) |
| 15:01:59 | Speedy2 | re |
| 15:09:06 | Speedy2 | re |
| 15:10:00 | tux_mike | speedy: did ARM put out a compiler for their processors (like intel and the icc for x86 & ia64)? |
| 15:10:30 | Speedy2 | tux_mike: Yes. |
| 15:10:46 | tux_mike | what OSes can you compile for with it? |
| 15:10:54 | Speedy2 | tux_mike: They have a few versions. The ARM SDT 2.5, 2.51, and a new one |
| 15:10:58 | Speedy2 | tux_mike: Not Linux |
| 15:11:01 | tux_mike | ah |
| 15:11:05 | tux_mike | :) |
| 15:11:14 | Speedy2 | tux_mike: It runs on Win9x/NT, Sun Solaris, HPUX |
| 15:11:22 | tux_mike | makes it useless for me then :) |
| 15:11:24 | Speedy2 | At least the 2.5 SDT |
| 15:11:47 | Speedy2 | Not to mention ALL the assembly mneumonics are different between GCC & the ARM SDT |
| 15:11:58 | Speedy2 | (Frankly, the f'ing GCC people should have followed ARM...) |
| 15:12:16 | tux_mike | go figure, a GNU project being fuggered up |
| 15:12:27 | Speedy2 | What? That's not possible! |
| 15:12:44 | tux_mike | never. Free software is infalable! |
| 15:12:50 | tux_mike | </RMS> |
| 15:13:48 | Speedy2 | re BigBoss |
| 15:13:52 | BigBoss | I hate getting dumped and their not being a message |
| 15:14:02 | Speedy2 | Wife has left you? |
| 15:14:52 | kergoth__ | yawns |
| 15:15:00 | Speedy2 | Hi kergoth |
| 15:15:05 | kergoth | morning |
| 15:15:05 | tux_mike | well, gotta go |
| 15:15:23 | Speedy2 | later man |
| 15:15:30 | Speedy2 | kergoth: What's new? |
| 15:15:37 | Hellaenergy | hey kergoth |
| 15:15:49 | kergoth | Speedy2: hmm. not much. thinking I may work on getting MCP to like me today |
| 15:15:56 | Speedy2 | Ahh |
| 15:15:57 | kergoth | Hellaenergy: hey man, howve ya been |
| 15:16:10 | Hellaenergy | real good thank you |
| 15:16:26 | Hellaenergy | hows oz |
| 15:16:39 | BigBoss | stupid irc |
| 15:17:06 | BigBoss | anyway - everyone saw that Ogg Vorbis 1.0 is out now? |
| 15:17:23 | Hellaenergy | whats that? |
| 15:17:30 | Speedy2 | BigBoss: Yes. |
| 15:17:35 | Hellaenergy | so is debian 3.0 |
| 15:18:03 | Speedy2 | touche |
| 15:18:26 | kergoth | oh i'm also beating cygwin into producing a crosscompiler toolchain for me |
| 15:18:27 | kergoth | whee |
| 15:18:31 | treke|home | just think. only 2 more years till debian uses the 2.4 kernel by default :) |
| 15:18:37 | kergoth | hehe |
| 15:18:41 | Hellaenergy | :) |
| 15:18:49 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Something wrong with existing 2.95.2 |
| 15:18:49 | Speedy2 | ? |
| 15:18:56 | Speedy2 | Doesn't 3.xx have a bunch of bugs? |
| 15:19:09 | Hellaenergy | well don't all .0 releases |
| 15:19:11 | kergoth | Speedy2: 3.1 is pretty decent. just most things dont compile with it due to its strict nature. |
| 15:19:20 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Hrm. |
| 15:19:33 | kergoth | which is of course the problem of the offending code |
| 15:19:35 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:19:48 | Speedy2 | What is it more strict about? |
| 15:19:52 | Hellaenergy | oh your talking about the compiler :/ |
| 15:20:03 | kergoth | Speedy2: not certain. compliance with standards i believe |
| 15:20:06 | kergoth | Speedy2: lets you get away with less |
| 15:20:15 | kergoth | Speedy2: so i've gathered anyway, i havent looked into it first hand |
| 15:20:24 | Speedy2 | ah |
| 15:20:46 | treke|home | kergoth: You can probably get patches to fix crap from debian |
| 15:20:53 | kergoth | treke|home: i usually do :-) |
| 15:21:06 | kergoth | treke|home: which is why like every package in OZ uses base + debian patch + my patch :-) |
| 15:21:06 | treke|home | I think they are using gcc 3.1 on certain architectures as the default compiler |
| 15:21:21 | Speedy2 | I love all this half-assed non-standard compliant code |
| 15:21:23 | treke|home | maybe it was 3.0 though |
| 15:21:33 | George- | kergoth: isn't there a compile time switch to make is less strict? |
| 15:21:36 | kergoth | Speedy2: no shit. you should see qt2.3.2 explode when you try to compile it with 3.1... |
| 15:21:37 | Speedy2 | Usage of autoconf, etc |
| 15:21:42 | George- | kergoth: ie - a 2.95.x compat switch? |
| 15:21:47 | kergoth | George-: doubtful |
| 15:21:55 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Yeah...I guess the QT stuff is C++ so that's even worse |
| 15:22:03 | Speedy2 | Adding insult to injury |
| 15:22:05 | kergoth | Speedy2: yeah. qt3 builds fine though. so they cleaned up a bit |
| 15:22:09 | Speedy2 | heh |
| 15:22:12 | treke|home | George-: Being compatible with broken code is a bad thing, make people fix it :) |
| 15:22:19 | kergoth | exactly |
| 15:22:21 | George- | kergoth: I might have a look at that mem=32M and that mem=64M bug in OZ |
| 15:22:52 | George- | treke|home: haha, "In order to use this switch, you must supply your credit card details, and be prepared to see a large bill :)" |
| 15:22:55 | kergoth | George-: go ahead. i'm willing to bet its a bug in /etc/init.d/freset .. it greps for the mtdram device in /proc/mtd.. its not handling that grep returning nothing well. |
| 15:23:05 | Hellaenergy | Has sharp ever released that net admin rom image yet? |
| 15:23:14 | kergoth | Hellaenergy: net admin rom image? |
| 15:23:22 | George- | Hellaenergy: what? |
| 15:23:48 | kergoth | man, is there NO good terminal emulation app for windows that i dont have to chuck out cash for? |
| 15:23:49 | Hellaenergy | Ya I was talking to one of the sharp guys about nessus and he mentioned it |
| 15:23:50 | kergoth | pissing me off |
| 15:23:52 | kergoth | hmm |
| 15:24:01 | Speedy2 | kergoth: TeraTerm |
| 15:24:07 | Speedy2 | kergoth: And then there's QVT Term |
| 15:24:09 | Hellaenergy | ttssh |
| 15:24:14 | Hellaenergy | putty |
| 15:24:22 | Speedy2 | kergoth: I used both of those for khacking. Did you get the Source Navigator yet? |
| 15:24:24 | kergoth | Speedy2: yeah i have teraterm... its logging could be more convenient, but it works |
| 15:24:31 | kergoth | Speedy2: nah i forgot about it :-) |
| 15:24:33 | Speedy2 | kergoth: QVT/Term is great, I used it for many years. |
| 15:24:40 | kergoth | Speedy2: i'm using secureCRT atm.. i'll check out qvt/term |
| 15:24:51 | Speedy2 | And if you can use a DOS program... |
| 15:24:51 | Speedy2 | heh |
| 15:24:53 | Hellaenergy | I use ssh.com's awsome terminal |
| 15:25:06 | Speedy2 | kergoth: I use SecureCRT for SSHing. |
| 15:25:09 | kergoth | Speedy2: got a link to telemate or telix? :-) |
| 15:25:12 | Speedy2 | YES |
| 15:25:15 | Speedy2 | I was about to say Telemate man |
| 15:25:18 | Speedy2 | !! |
| 15:25:18 | kergoth | Speedy2: i use putty for sshing, so much more lightweight |
| 15:25:18 | Speedy2 | 4.2 |
| 15:25:24 | kergoth | hah |
| 15:25:29 | kergoth | i miss those. bbsing days |
| 15:25:35 | Speedy2 | kergoth: I have Telemate installed on a 386 IBM Craptop w/monochrome LCD, I used that for work with Brutus |
| 15:25:48 | Speedy2 | Craptop has a bad HDD so only like 2MEG is usable! Hah! |
| 15:25:55 | Speedy2 | But it does 9600 bps serial, so... |
| 15:26:11 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Agreed, BBSing was might mighty cool. |
| 15:26:17 | George- | kergoth: hmm, I don't know grep too well |
| 15:26:26 | kergoth | Speedy2: it was much more personal than the net. |
| 15:26:36 | kergoth | Speedy2: besides, i miss door games. LORD |
| 15:26:46 | George- | Speedy2: hehe |
| 15:26:53 | kergoth | thats it, i want legend of the red dragon on my Z ;-) |
| 15:27:01 | George- | heh |
| 15:27:05 | George- | I want Police Quest |
| 15:27:10 | George- | but it's very keyboard intensive |
| 15:27:13 | kergoth | George-: you can have it. install sarien |
| 15:27:14 | Speedy2 | http://www.juge.com/bbs/Dos.601.Html |
| 15:27:17 | Speedy2 | kergoth: http://www.juge.com/bbs/Dos.601.Html |
| 15:27:17 | Mickey-atHome | what is the best way to incorporate an autoconf project into a tmake-project? I have an application which uses a library and so during make of my project ./configure and make of the library should be called. |
| 15:27:20 | George- | kergoth: huh? |
| 15:27:25 | Speedy2 | Mickey-atHome: Don't use autoconfi |
| 15:27:34 | kergoth | George-: interpreter for sierra classic adventure games for linux. |
| 15:27:38 | George- | kergoth: sarien? |
| 15:27:41 | George- | YAY! :) |
| 15:27:41 | kergoth | George-: i'm going to use it to play leisure suit larry :-) |
| 15:27:46 | George- | I love the sierra games |
| 15:27:47 | | somebody said sarien was http://sarien.sourceforge.net/ |
| 15:27:47 | kergoth | ibot: sarien? |
| 15:27:51 | kergoth | there ya go |
| 15:27:55 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Hah! LSL@ |
| 15:27:56 | Mickey-atHome | Speedy2: ?? the library uses autoconf. |
| 15:28:03 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Did you ever play Freddy Pharkas? |
| 15:28:12 | kergoth | Telemate for windows? |
| 15:28:12 | treke|home | needs to finish a qt-embedded port of agi |
| 15:28:13 | kergoth | shudders |
| 15:28:14 | Speedy2 | kergoth: The Al Lowe guy has a website talking all about it! |
| 15:28:21 | treke|home | and sarien |
| 15:28:23 | kergoth | Speedy2: you know who he was right? |
| 15:28:28 | George- | kergoth: hey, cool, thanks for that |
| 15:28:29 | kergoth | Speedy2: he WAS the larry games. |
| 15:28:37 | George- | kergoth: I presume sarien is an ncurses app or something? |
| 15:28:39 | kergoth | Speedy2: i have freddy pharkas somewhere |
| 15:28:40 | Speedy2 | kergoth: http://www.allowe.com/ |
| 15:28:42 | Hellaenergy | Speedy2: Try this client ftp://ftp.ssh.com/pub/ssh/SSHSecureShellClient-3.2.0.exe |
| 15:28:46 | Speedy2 | kergoth: I know he was the Larry guy! :) |
| 15:28:50 | kergoth | Speedy2: yeah i downloaded all his lsl mp3s :-) |
| 15:28:53 | treke|home | George-: no its sdl |
| 15:28:54 | Speedy2 | Hellaenergy: Why? SecurecRT works for me. |
| 15:29:02 | George- | treke|home: would that work on a Z? |
| 15:29:05 | Hellaenergy | That one is sweet |
| 15:29:11 | treke|home | George-: Of course it would |
| 15:29:11 | Hellaenergy | Just a suggestion |
| 15:29:12 | kergoth | I'll stick to putty for ssh |
| 15:29:19 | kergoth | actually |
| 15:29:21 | treke|home | it just doesnt work on ipaqs :( |
| 15:29:25 | kergoth | cygwin + openssh is better |
| 15:29:25 | Hellaenergy | Set in your ways are ya |
| 15:29:39 | George- | treke|home: sweet |
| 15:29:49 | kergoth | cygwin + openssh has a lighter memory usage than any ssh client i've seen so far |
| 15:29:50 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:29:57 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Well, Telemate is there for the using... |
| 15:30:16 | kergoth | Speedy2: its 4 zip files.. hah.. even packaged for the bbs days. |
| 15:30:34 | kergoth | sniffle. 404. |
| 15:30:34 | kergoth | googles |
| 15:30:45 | Speedy2 | kergoth: I loved the ending of Freddy Pharkas where it was like the end of a movie and it showed the "Indian guy" stepping all over the ants, heh |
| 15:30:51 | kergoth | hehe. yeh |
| 15:30:55 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Doh, it's on Wuarchive too |
| 15:31:03 | kergoth | i love the freddy pharkas theme song. the one where he's singing |
| 15:31:06 | kergoth | and the bouncing ball |
| 15:31:08 | kergoth | in the beginning |
| 15:31:09 | kergoth | hehe |
| 15:31:12 | Speedy2 | kergoth: http://www.filelibrary.com/Contents/DOS/2/36.html |
| 15:31:14 | Speedy2 | yeah |
| 15:31:14 | Speedy2 | hehe |
| 15:31:22 | Speedy2 | That one works |
| 15:31:37 | kergoth | sweet |
| 15:31:46 | Speedy2 | heh. I have 4.22 somewhere. |
| 15:31:48 | kergoth | man this'll bring back memories |
| 15:31:53 | kergoth | lets see if i remember the key bindings still |
| 15:31:56 | Speedy2 | And it's a good terminal emulator! |
| 15:32:32 | George- | kergoth: does OZ come with SDL? |
| 15:32:51 | kergoth | George-: hellll no |
| 15:33:05 | kergoth | George-: i dont put gaming libraries and frivilous things in. primarily i put in what everyone will use |
| 15:33:09 | George- | heh, ok |
| 15:33:14 | George- | don't flame me :) |
| 15:33:19 | kergoth | smacks george |
| 15:33:39 | George- | kergoth: hey, c'mon :) |
| 15:33:46 | George- | kergoth: where do I get SDL from then? |
| 15:33:52 | kergoth | i hate crosscompiling gcc |
| 15:33:55 | | sdl is probably Look at http://www.libsdl.org |
| 15:33:55 | treke|home | ibot, sdl |
| 15:34:06 | George- | sorry I'm just a bit thick today |
| 15:34:07 | kergoth | especially when you dont have glibc already built.. the inhibit glibc hack doesnt work worth a shit |
| 15:34:11 | kergoth | today? |
| 15:34:12 | kergoth | :-P |
| 15:34:14 | treke|home | er |
| 15:34:17 | | i think eongames is see Eon Games instead |
| 15:34:17 | treke|home | ibot, eongames |
| 15:34:21 | | Eon Games is game developer with many fine Zaurus titles, like Strategic Assault, Eligo and Bust'em. Other than original port, Eon Games also do a lot of porting (mainly Pocket PC to Sharp Zaurus but desktop porting as well). See http://eongames.com/ for more information. |
| 15:34:21 | treke|home | ibot, Eon Games |
| 15:34:28 | | CC is Candy Cruncher. Download from http://eongames.com/downloads/candycruncher_1.50.11_arm.ipk - pre-release version right now |
| 15:34:28 | treke|home | ibot, CC |
| 15:34:33 | kergoth | hehe |
| 15:34:37 | treke|home | bleh. Find it yourself |
| 15:37:45 | George- | smacks kergoth |
| 15:37:54 | W|GGL|T | that security feature in OZ fixed? |
| 15:37:57 | | theKompany is at http://www.thekompany.com/embedded |
| 15:37:57 | BigBoss | ibot theKompany |
| 15:38:09 | | tkcPlayer is at http://www.thekompany.com/embedded/tkcplayer/ |
| 15:38:09 | BigBoss | ibot tkcPlayer |
| 15:38:12 | kergoth | W|GGL|T: watch sf. soon you'll see a maintainance release rootfs. its not there yet :-) |
| 15:38:19 | W|GGL|T | ok |
| 15:38:20 | W|GGL|T | thx |
| 15:38:43 | kergoth | Speedy2: got a url to the 2.95.2 cygwin arm-linux crosscompiler toolchain handy? |
| 15:38:47 | W|GGL|T | now that im carrying my Z in public, i wanna be able to run OZ so i can have people looking over my shoulder |
| 15:38:47 | W|GGL|T | hehe |
| 15:39:16 | George- | ok, this is a bit of thick question |
| 15:39:22 | George- | but how do I cross compile stuff? |
| 15:39:33 | George- | (that is, how do I cross compile stuff like SDL) |
| 15:40:13 | kergoth | woah gcc 3.x has a configure option for the inhibit glibc hack. how sweet |
| 15:40:14 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Umm, Cygwin == runs on Windows box? |
| 15:40:27 | kergoth | Speedy2: yeah. |
| 15:40:35 | Speedy2 | kergoth: I can check, hold please. |
| 15:40:35 | George- | kergoth: heh |
| 15:40:41 | kergoth | Speedy2: k |
| 15:41:07 | George- | ok, another question |
| 15:41:12 | George- | how do I convert from .deb -> .ipk? |
| 15:41:22 | kergoth | extract the deb, build the ipk |
| 15:41:29 | George- | ? |
| 15:41:35 | kergoth | ipk = tarball |
| 15:41:49 | kergoth | .deb IIRC = ar .. can someone confirm this? i'm half asleep yet |
| 15:41:50 | George- | right |
| 15:42:11 | George- | so.. er.. |
| 15:42:11 | treke|home | right. an ar conaing tgzs |
| 15:42:45 | George- | sarien is dependant on the xlibs? |
| 15:42:46 | George- | WTH? |
| 15:42:53 | XavierXeon|away | unpack *.deb = ar -x *.deb, then tar -xvzf data.tar.gz |
| 15:42:54 | kergoth | George-: huh? dont compile it for X |
| 15:42:55 | treke|home | George-: Its compiled against X probably |
| 15:42:58 | kergoth | George-: compile it for sdl |
| 15:43:00 | kergoth | yeah |
| 15:43:03 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:43:09 | Speedy2 | kergoth: GNU Pro stuff is not free, right? |
| 15:43:18 | kergoth | Speedy2: no idea |
| 15:43:19 | George- | ok |
| 15:43:37 | George- | if i compile it for SDL |
| 15:43:38 | kergoth | seeing compile warnings when compiling a compiler always makes me feel slightly worried |
| 15:43:39 | kergoth | hehe |
| 15:43:45 | George- | will that screw up my Qte? |
| 15:43:50 | kergoth | huh? |
| 15:43:51 | George- | (when I run it) |
| 15:43:53 | kergoth | install sdl for qt/e |
| 15:43:58 | kergoth | use sarien for sdl |
| 15:43:59 | kergoth | ta da |
| 15:44:09 | George- | sdl for qt/e? |
| 15:44:11 | kergoth | yes |
| 15:44:14 | George- | @&#!*$??? |
| 15:44:15 | kergoth | neo ported SDL |
| 15:44:22 | George- | where? |
| 15:44:38 | kergoth | George-: treke said to find it yourself after he gave up on beating the info out of ibot |
| 15:44:39 | kergoth | hehe |
| 15:44:47 | George- | kergoth: heh, ok |
| 15:44:49 | kergoth | George-: its in SDL cvs, i know that.. but neo has packages for it |
| 15:44:49 | | i guess sdl is Look at http://www.libsdl.org |
| 15:44:49 | George- | ibot sdl |
| 15:44:59 | | George-: i'm not following you... |
| 15:44:59 | George- | ibot sdl qte |
| 15:45:23 | George- | NeoTron, Neo|Work: ping!!! |
| 15:45:29 | Speedy2 | kergoth: http://www.intel.com/design/intelxscale/dev_tools/010827/ |
| 15:45:45 | Speedy2 | Get the XScale for Windows, ELF targetted. XScale toolchain will also generate ARM v4 code |
| 15:46:01 | kergoth | it will? |
| 15:46:04 | Speedy2 | YUP! |
| 15:46:09 | kergoth | e.g. its arm-linux not armv5-linux? |
| 15:46:09 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:46:11 | kergoth | ah |
| 15:46:11 | kergoth | cool |
| 15:46:21 | Speedy2 | The docs should explain. I know for a fact it will do ARM v4. |
| 15:46:24 | kergoth | k |
| 15:46:30 | kergoth | wtf is gnupro anyway? |
| 15:46:30 | Speedy2 | ftp://download.intel.com/design/intelxscale/dev_tools/010827/xscalestart.pdf |
| 15:47:05 | Speedy2 | kergoth: RedHat's "professional" toolchain based on GNU stuff. They make you pay for support, but I think Intel paid RH so they could give the compilers away. |
| 15:47:11 | kergoth | ah |
| 15:47:18 | kergoth | "professional" toolchain |
| 15:47:19 | kergoth | sheesh |
| 15:47:22 | kergoth | a toolchain is a toolchain |
| 15:47:25 | kergoth | :-) |
| 15:48:41 | George- | does the SDL in CVS create an IPK? |
| 15:48:51 | George- | (the qtopia version, that is) |
| 15:49:04 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Well be glad all the hardwork is done. |
| 15:49:38 | treke|home | no |
| 15:49:48 | NeoTron | George-: hmm? |
| 15:49:58 | treke|home | at least It didnt when I built it |
| 15:50:17 | George- | NeoTron: Do you have ipks or whatever of SDL for Qtopia? |
| 15:50:54 | NeoTron | I do but someone else made better ones |
| 15:50:59 | George- | hmm |
| 15:51:00 | NeoTron | i.e read z.general |
| 15:51:04 | George- | ahh ok |
| 15:51:12 | NeoTron | Alexandre Courbot <alexandrecourbot@linuxgames.com> |
| 15:51:37 | Speedy2 | kergoth: What is GNU pro? http://www.redhat.com/software/tools/gnupro/what_is_gnu.html |
| 15:52:19 | kergoth | hah |
| 15:52:21 | kergoth | k |
| 15:53:31 | George- | what's prboom? |
| 15:53:39 | George- | and ScummVM? |
| 15:53:58 | treke|home | NeoTron: got lucky, QImage's scaling seems to be acceptably fast |
| 15:54:11 | NeoTron | treke|home: cool. |
| 15:54:33 | treke|home | oh shoot. It's acceptably fast on an athlon 1ghz. |
| 15:54:35 | NeoTron | prboom = doom, scummvm - some engine for games like monkey island I believe |
| 15:54:36 | treke|home | takes that back |
| 15:54:39 | NeoTron | hehe |
| 15:54:52 | treke|home | maybe I should try it on my ipaq before getting too happy |
| 15:55:02 | NeoTron | well, if the palm os vnc scales, it's definitely not fast |
| 15:55:04 | George- | NeoTron: hey cool I love monkey island (and I still have it somewhere) |
| 15:55:20 | NeoTron | and btw, I realize now I had to do precaching of scaling tiles in Eligo to avoid slowdowns during animations |
| 15:55:37 | treke|home | NeoTron: The palm version does it server side, which keeps crashing my vnc server :) |
| 15:55:49 | NeoTron | hrm. :P |
| 15:56:04 | NeoTron | I just don't think it'd be fast enough no matter what one does |
| 15:56:11 | NeoTron | other than simply skipping pixels perhaps |
| 15:56:53 | treke|home | Well I can always hope |
| 15:57:17 | treke|home | I'm more interested in the server side anyway, since that means less data to transfer |
| 15:57:55 | NetAmp | ah ha |
| 15:58:02 | NetAmp | I found out what the reflections are |
| 15:58:28 | NetAmp | so I guess I didn't apply the G2 protector the wrong way ;) *phew* |
| 15:58:32 | Speedy2 | kergoth: I'm trying to find a link I saved sometime ago about the XSCale stuf |
| 15:58:33 | NetAmp | http://bednorzmuller87.phys.cmu.edu/demonstrations/optics/interference/demo326.html |
| 15:58:43 | Speedy2 | I wish Pine could search message bodies |
| 15:59:53 | Rascal | anyone know how to transfer the java from sharp to OZ? |
| 16:01:45 | [DrEvil] | hi hi hi my little droogies |
| 16:02:01 | NetAmp | helleu |
| 16:02:05 | NetAmp | heh |
| 16:02:24 | kergoth | fuck |
| 16:02:30 | kergoth | i'm 617 messages behind on lkml |
| 16:02:36 | NetAmp | whow |
| 16:03:08 | treke|home | kergoth: THat out to teach you to stop looking at it for more than 30 seconds |
| 16:03:14 | kergoth | treke|home: no shit.. |
| 16:03:29 | kergoth | i need a job that just pays me to read lkml. thats it |
| 16:04:01 | ljp_work | hey! guess what? |
| 16:04:12 | treke|home | you got a vercel? |
| 16:04:17 | ljp_work | I got an email that says I can get Viagra for less! |
| 16:04:24 | ljp_work | hehehe |
| 16:04:32 | ljp_work | I wish it was vercel |
| 16:05:05 | ljp_work | so, whats going on in zaurusville? |
| 16:05:15 | kergoth | ahaha using telemate is a trip |
| 16:05:18 | BigBoss | Sharp declared bankruptcy today |
| 16:05:18 | kergoth | memories |
| 16:05:49 | ljp_work | hmm somehow I doubt sharp would do that.. |
| 16:06:10 | ljp_work | after all, they are based in Japan, not usa |
| 16:06:21 | BigBoss | that's right - they all fell on their swords today :) |
| 16:06:29 | kergoth | hah |
| 16:06:38 | ljp_work | they probably believe in honor more than execs here |
| 16:07:03 | BigBoss | who knows - it's gotten pretty bad around here lately |
| 16:07:50 | ljp_work | its damn smokey around here |
| 16:08:13 | ljp_work | 2 fireswithin 60 miles upwind |
| 16:08:27 | Speedy2 | Sharp declared bankruptcy? heh |
| 16:08:35 | BigBoss | we had a major one just a mile from us a couple months ago |
| 16:08:38 | Rince | huh? |
| 16:08:56 | BigBoss | the water helicopters were picking up from the lakes at the golf course and flying overhead at my son's little league game |
| 16:09:05 | BigBoss | the bankruptcy comment was a joke :) |
| 16:09:12 | ljp_work | there's one in the foothills north of Boulder where I used to live |
| 16:09:21 | NetAmp | ljp_work: the viagra might increase linux's uptime |
| 16:09:27 | ljp_work | hahaha |
| 16:09:43 | NetAmp | "uptime girl, she's been living in her uptime world" |
| 16:09:44 | ljp_work | I tried that, but it just clogged up the floppy |
| 16:09:44 | NetAmp | lalala |
| 16:09:50 | NetAmp | ow.. hrm |
| 16:10:21 | ljp_work | you'd think viagra would make that floppy into a harddrive... |
| 16:10:27 | NetAmp | wahaha |
| 16:10:45 | NetAmp | then what would it do to a Zaurus... |
| 16:10:59 | NetAmp | it could get a laptop ;) |
| 16:11:00 | ljp_work | hmmm.. electronic viagra |
| 16:12:15 | Hellaenergy | pops an electronic woody |
| 16:12:15 | ljp_work | kergoth: did you see that patch for alerting the user if there's a sync or ftp connection with no password? |
| 16:12:48 | ljp_work | I think we should apply that to HEAD until qtopiadesktop catches up |
| 16:13:07 | kergoth | ljp_work: yep i saw it, and i agree |
| 16:13:44 | ljp_work | coolio |
| 16:15:18 | George- | anyone good at cross compiling here? |
| 16:15:26 | Speedy2 | AHHHH! |
| 16:15:28 | Speedy2 | Found the damn message! |
| 16:15:45 | kergoth | George-: yes |
| 16:15:47 | NetAmp | kergoth should be a pro at it by now ;) |
| 16:15:48 | kergoth | Speedy2: hehe. nice |
| 16:15:51 | George- | How can I get a ./configure to recognise that libSDL is there? |
| 16:15:58 | George- | ie - where do I put libsdl? |
| 16:15:58 | kergoth | George-: whats it looking for? |
| 16:16:00 | ljp_work | George: depends on if autoconf/automake was used |
| 16:16:06 | Speedy2 | Sadly, it contains what we already know? /me checks |
| 16:16:06 | kergoth | despises autoconf |
| 16:16:14 | George- | ljp_work: It looks like it uses autoconf/automake |
| 16:16:55 | ljp_work | well, if its not a very big app, I ususally try to configure for xcompile, and then end up editing the makefiles |
| 16:17:02 | kergoth | Speedy2: its funny and sad watching rmk and nico discuss the 8385375'th erratum on the xscale.. |
| 16:17:09 | George- | ljp_work: it's sarien |
| 16:17:24 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Discuss what? The CPU errata? |
| 16:17:39 | BigBoss | is anyone else as worried as I am that everyone is planning on using these crappy xScale chips? |
| 16:17:42 | kergoth | Speedy2: yeah. and the numerous kludges and workarounds necessary as a result |
| 16:17:45 | kergoth | BigBoss: yes |
| 16:17:45 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Which mailing list? I guess I accidentally got un-subscribed off the ARM-Linux ones |
| 16:18:03 | George- | kergoth: aha, I think I've found it |
| 16:18:16 | kergoth | Speedy2: arm-linux-kernel iirc.. just go to the archives |
| 16:18:17 | Speedy2 | kergoth: That toolchain (GNUPro Xscale) will do compiling for ANY ARM processor, I think just have to say like -arch=armv4 |
| 16:18:22 | Speedy2 | Or StrongARM or something. |
| 16:18:24 | kergoth | Speedy2: ah |
| 16:18:34 | Speedy2 | Damn Pine |
| 16:18:41 | Speedy2 | I need to setup Mulberry and start using it |
| 16:18:47 | kergoth | i used to use pine, then i switched to mutt |
| 16:19:03 | kergoth | whats mulberry? |
| 16:19:04 | Speedy2 | Well, this account will be dead in a few weeks anyway |
| 16:19:17 | Speedy2 | kergoth: A multi-platform coolio Mail utility with a lot of features...it's GUI based. |
| 16:19:23 | kergoth | ah |
| 16:19:25 | kergoth | googles |
| 16:19:48 | kergoth | hah |
| 16:19:48 | kergoth | Mulberry is a high-performance, scalable, and graphically groovy internet mail client. |
| 16:20:03 | Speedy2 | correct |
| 16:20:28 | Speedy2 | kergoth: The libraries included with the XScale toolkit are ARM v5 optimized, so you might have to re-compile to get it to go for ARM v4 if you'll be using included libraries. |
| 16:20:37 | Speedy2 | kergoth: But, the source is given to you on that page. |
| 16:20:49 | kergoth | yeah i saw that |
| 16:21:14 | kergoth | i'm messing with that while my standard gnu crosscompile runs in the background, just in case ;-) |
| 16:21:41 | Speedy2 | I see :) |
| 16:21:59 | Speedy2 | I guess for das bootloader this will be fine since I'm not going to link with any libraries |
| 16:22:09 | Speedy2 | I would like to use newlib, but then I think if I do, I have to GPL the loader |
| 16:22:15 | Speedy2 | (Which I still need a name for!) |
| 16:22:35 | NetAmp | leelo |
| 16:22:40 | NetAmp | :P |
| 16:22:49 | kergoth | newlib? Yet Another Embedded Libc? |
| 16:22:52 | Speedy2 | yes |
| 16:22:52 | kergoth | heheh |
| 16:22:54 | Speedy2 | :) |
| 16:23:03 | Speedy2 | Leelo? What's that? |
| 16:23:13 | NetAmp | YEAL? |
| 16:23:14 | Speedy2 | It's not going to be a "linux loader" |
| 16:23:18 | kergoth | ack |
| 16:23:22 | kergoth | the licensing of newlib is ugly |
| 16:23:23 | Speedy2 | Linux WILL NOT appear in the word |
| 16:23:32 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Yeah, basically what? GPL? |
| 16:23:38 | Speedy2 | (word, acronym, etc) |
| 16:23:42 | kergoth | trying to glean some sanity from it atm |
| 16:23:42 | NetAmp | ah hehe leelo's that girl from Fifth Element I believe.. |
| 16:23:56 | NetAmp | but I thought ya meant the loader.. |
| 16:23:57 | oGMo | that was leelu |
| 16:24:09 | NetAmp | leelu? ah ok |
| 16:24:17 | Speedy2 | Leeloo |
| 16:24:18 | oGMo | or however they spelled it. but yeah. ;) |
| 16:24:26 | kergoth | gah |
| 16:24:32 | kergoth | its too damn early to peruse licenses |
| 16:24:32 | Speedy2 | Milla Jovavich or something |
| 16:24:33 | kergoth | ftp://sources.redhat.com/pub/newlib/COPYING.NEWLIB |
| 16:24:34 | oGMo | milla jovovich, mmm. ;) |
| 16:24:34 | kergoth | hehe |
| 16:24:48 | NetAmp | yeah |
| 16:24:51 | NetAmp | Milla Jovovich |
| 16:24:52 | oGMo | kergoth: so what's new in OZ today? you need a changelog or something ;) |
| 16:24:52 | Speedy2 | I hate licenses |
| 16:25:03 | BigBoss | agrees with Speedy2 |
| 16:25:03 | NetAmp | she should do the pics for the OZ campaign.. |
| 16:25:04 | NetAmp | ;) |
| 16:25:12 | NetAmp | *grin* |
| 16:25:18 | kergoth | oGMo: no kidding.. actually, i need www.openzaurus.org setup, with a changelog |
| 16:25:22 | kergoth | NetAmp: i like that! |
| 16:25:22 | kergoth | hehe |
| 16:25:27 | oGMo | yeah |
| 16:25:40 | George- | grr |
| 16:25:43 | kergoth | oGMo: jason's going to host it for me, so we should have content as some point here |
| 16:25:49 | George- | how do I get this damn thing to recognise that I want SDL? |
| 16:25:58 | oGMo | kergoth: cool |
| 16:26:11 | George- | it's using sdl_config to check where the SDL libs are, and the sdl_config it's using is from my normal install |
| 16:26:29 | kergoth | George-: thats not surprising. what configure parameters are you using? |
| 16:27:00 | kergoth | George-: you need to specify --build and --host so it knows your crosscompiling |
| 16:27:25 | kergoth | assumes its configure.(ac|in) is sane. bad assumption |
| 16:27:51 | kergoth | notes he's never seen a sane configure.(ac|in) |
| 16:28:07 | George- | kergoth: well, I haven't cross compiled SDL, I've just stolen the libraries from an ipk I found (for qtopia) |
| 16:28:16 | George- | kergoth: That didn't have sdl_config or anything... |
| 16:32:08 | George- | kergoth_: Are you sure sarien will run Police Quest (original, not remake)? |
| 16:32:18 | George- | happens to have all the police quests made up to SWAT 1 |
| 16:33:02 | Rince | :-) |
| 16:36:49 | kergoth_ | George-: i'd think so..there are two engine's for sierra adventure games as i understand it, sarien is one of them. treke would probably know better than i |
| 16:36:56 | kergoth_ | drags at&t out back to be shot |
| 16:38:00 | ljp_work | helps kergoth with at&t cause they are related to qwest |
| 16:38:06 | kergoth | hah |
| 16:39:20 | Speedy2 | F'ing AT&T... |
| 16:39:21 | George- | kergoth: whilst my Z is sitting doing nothing, is it common to have a load avg or 4? |
| 16:39:30 | George- | s/or/of |
| 16:43:30 | prpplague | howdy all |
| 16:43:53 | prpplague | has any compilied x for the zaurus yet? |
| 16:46:41 | ljp_work | not personally |
| 16:47:09 | jbwiv | hey guys. trying to get started with qt-embedded, but when I try to start the demo with "start_demo", I get "Can't drive depth 16". Can anyone help? thx |
| 16:47:14 | ljp_work | why would you want to do that? |
| 16:47:45 | prpplague | ljp_work: i've got some x apps i'd like to use |
| 16:47:45 | ljp_work | jbwiv: start qvfb |
| 16:48:05 | prpplague | ljp_work: i'm qte challanged |
| 16:48:53 | George- | is that 2002 developer contest just a "You send a beta, we send you a Z" type contest? |
| 16:48:53 | ljp_work | jbwiv: actually, you need to recompile qt/e with 16 bit depth |
| 16:48:54 | NetAmp | what? |
| 16:48:57 | George- | ie - just to get rid of shit? |
| 16:49:02 | NetAmp | they are related to qwest??! bastards! |
| 16:49:09 | NetAmp | shoot them! |
| 16:49:11 | NetAmp | :P |
| 16:49:12 | ljp_work | well,, kinda sorta |
| 16:49:16 | George- | shit == old stock |
| 16:49:26 | jbwiv | ljp_work: is that a configure option? |
| 16:49:33 | ljp_work | at one time at&t and what became of qwest were the same co |
| 16:49:51 | ljp_work | jbwiv: yes |
| 16:50:05 | ljp_work | it will also ask you |
| 16:50:39 | ljp_work | prp: you can use the X from familiar most likely |
| 16:50:46 | jbwiv | ljp: cool, thanks |
| 16:50:53 | George- | is it easy to make the program that I'm compiling link _statically_ with SDL? |
| 16:51:03 | George- | it's much easier to install/distribute :) |
| 16:51:26 | jbwiv | ljp_work: it seems to default to 8,16, which I chose when I compiled? Is there a way to tell if it's already been compiled that way? |
| 16:51:43 | ljp_work | probably, but on a memory limited device it'd be better to dynamically link it |
| 16:51:50 | jbwiv | or should I chose VGA-16? |
| 16:52:03 | ljp_work | jb: you can choose all of the 8, 16, and 32 |
| 16:52:43 | kergoth | re prpplague |
| 16:52:45 | jbwiv | so, if I type: v, 4, 8, 8g, 16, 24, 32 I should cover all my bases? |
| 16:52:47 | prpplague | ljp_work: ok, thanks, one other question if you don't mind... whats the primary difference between the 5000 and the 5500 |
| 16:52:52 | prpplague | kergoth: morning |
| 16:53:04 | ljp_work | George: because most likely, someone that installs an app thaqt uses SDL will have more than one app that uses SDL |
| 16:53:14 | prpplague | kergoth: i'm suffering from digi hang over |
| 16:53:33 | ljp_work | prp: memory, 5000d has 32 mb and the 5500 has 64 |
| 16:53:53 | ljp_work | kergoth: stop that |
| 16:53:56 | Speedy2 | prpplague: The 5000D is a developers model and has some issues that Sharp is not going to fix. |
| 16:54:05 | prpplague | ok, thanks |
| 16:54:07 | Speedy2 | prpplague: And it seems they are only releasing ROMS for the 5500 |
| 16:54:15 | ljp_work | speedy: issues? |
| 16:54:35 | Speedy2 | Like the battery reporting, etc. |
| 16:54:38 | CloudChaser | - |
| 16:54:39 | prpplague | Speedy2: ROMs? that means no reloads? |
| 16:54:39 | CloudChaser | am i still here? |
| 16:54:54 | ljp_work | ohh.. well, I'd bet that the 5500 has the same 4 level battery |
| 16:54:57 | George- | prpplague: heh, don't worry, there's OZ :))) |
| 16:54:57 | Speedy2 | prpplague: Well the OpenZ stuff will work, but I don't think Sharp has released an official ROM for the 5000 |
| 16:55:18 | Speedy2 | ljp: There is some serious issue with the battery reporting in the 5000 that they fixed in the 5500 |
| 16:55:41 | NetAmp | kergoth: something like.. this? ;) http://www.remz-jay.org/~netamp/oz_milla1.jpg |
| 16:55:45 | ljp_work | ohh.. like it reports full till it suddenly drops? |
| 16:55:50 | prpplague | hmm, bestbuy is running the sl-5500 for $315, i'm wondering if i should buy one or two |
| 16:55:55 | Speedy2 | I dunno, I don't have either, but this is what I was told |
| 16:56:16 | ljp_work | speedy: ya, thats got to be it |
| 16:56:42 | [DrEvil] | why doesn't this person list what graphics card comes with this Octane |
| 16:56:54 | George- | heh, I've just registered for the competition |
| 16:56:58 | George- | "HTML Editor" |
| 16:56:59 | George- | :) |
| 16:57:05 | George- | goes to checkout Quanta from KDE CVS |
| 16:57:06 | NetAmp | George: cool |
| 16:57:12 | kergoth_ | re |
| 16:57:12 | NetAmp | hah |
| 16:57:14 | kergoth_ | hey prpplague, what brings you around here |
| 16:57:19 | NetAmp | kergoth_: http://www.remz-jay.org/~netamp/oz_milla1.jpg |
| 16:57:26 | [DrEvil] | you aren't going to buy Quanta from tkc? |
| 16:57:26 | kergoth_ | NetAmp: hah, nice |
| 16:57:33 | ljp_work | George: hint.. search for minikde |
| 16:57:35 | tboc | btw. is there a changelog for the new OZ version? |
| 16:57:39 | George- | ljp_work: I know :) |
| 16:57:42 | | George-: what? |
| 16:57:42 | George- | ibot minikde |
| 16:57:43 | NetAmp | and if you put the "oz" after the "m", you get "mozilla", so she could be our perfect candidate ;) |
| 16:57:47 | | George-: huh? |
| 16:57:47 | George- | ibot: screw you |
| 16:58:01 | CloudChaser | hmm i can't copy to flash card... permission denied :( |
| 16:58:04 | prpplague | kergoth_: i've been using ipaq for testing my forms app, but i need a couple more units, not sure if i want to buy a couple of 3835's |
| 16:58:20 | | George-: i'm not following you... |
| 16:58:20 | George- | ibot mini kde |
| 16:58:20 | ljp_work | cloudchaser: umount it and run a file system check |
| 16:58:40 | CloudChaser | ok, how do i do that? |
| 16:58:47 | CloudChaser | (not unmount) |
| 16:58:50 | hardwire | hola |
| 16:58:53 | CloudChaser | file system check |
| 16:59:03 | ljp_work | what file system is on there? did you format it? |
| 16:59:08 | CloudChaser | didn't format it |
| 16:59:11 | hardwire | anybody here in new york? |
| 16:59:12 | CloudChaser | its vfat |
| 16:59:24 | kergoth_ | prpplague: ah, gotcha. Well, the Z can run openzaurus (my project) which gives it a familiar-style jffs2 rootfs, as opposed to the default read-only cramfs. one of the folks that used to work at lineo had done the stuff on X on the Z.. i dont t hink anyone has picked up the ball since he was laid off |
| 16:59:25 | CloudChaser | rw |
| 16:59:33 | kergoth_ | re hardwire |
| 16:59:33 | hardwire | I was hoping to find out more about the con-ed power building explosion |
| 16:59:41 | CloudChaser | i have to mount it as root though, user doesn't have permissions to do that |
| 16:59:48 | CloudChaser | is that the reason i can't write to it? |
| 16:59:53 | prpplague | kergoth_: ya tim said something that effect |
| 17:00:04 | ljp_work | mmm ok, try /sbin/dosfsck or /sbin/vfatfsck or something one of those |
| 17:00:06 | prpplague | kergoth_: i'm concerned about the sl-5500 being rom only |
| 17:00:08 | Speedy2 | Isn't there a Qtopia-X plug-in that lets you run X programs? |
| 17:00:10 | ljp_work | cloud : on your desktop? |
| 17:00:13 | kergoth_ | prpplague: rom only? |
| 17:00:33 | CloudChaser | can't unmount it. says device is busy |
| 17:00:35 | kergoth_ | Speedy2: its Xvnc, essentially |
| 17:00:35 | prpplague | kergoth_: Speedy2 said that there were some rom only versions |
| 17:00:36 | ljp_work | cloud: its possible that user doesnt have write permissions |
| 17:00:37 | hardwire | fsck.dosfsmkdosfs? |
| 17:00:39 | hardwire | asdfkj |
| 17:00:53 | Speedy2 | prpplague: No, I said that Sharp has not updated the ROMs for the 5000 |
| 17:00:58 | Speedy2 | I never said there were ROM only versions. |
| 17:01:05 | prpplague | Speedy2: ohh, sorry miss understood |
| 17:01:09 | kergoth_ | prpplague: not to my knowledge. it ships using the mtdrom driver, which is read only. but you can switch to openzaurus, which uses a sane mtd driver |
| 17:01:11 | kergoth_ | yeh |
| 17:01:12 | prpplague | Speedy2: my fault |
| 17:01:29 | prpplague | cool, then i'm off to get some sl-5500's |
| 17:01:32 | ljp_work | cloud: try doing fuser -v /dev/whateverthisdeviceis |
| 17:01:40 | ljp_work | could: and kill that process |
| 17:01:51 | ljp_work | cloud that is |
| 17:02:28 | ljp_work | or sometimes, just cd / |
| 17:02:41 | CloudChaser | ok i can copy a file as root |
| 17:02:49 | ljp_work | ahhh.. heh groovey |
| 17:02:53 | CloudChaser | so how do i make it so i can do it as user? |
| 17:02:57 | CloudChaser | and mount also? |
| 17:03:17 | ljp_work | edit fstab and add mmm, user as option, I think it is |
| 17:03:58 | CloudChaser | ok thanks |
| 17:04:12 | ljp_work | or users |
| 17:04:38 | hardwire | http://segfault.bogomip.com/bastard/movies/Funny/womens%20health%20commercial.mpg |
| 17:04:40 | hardwire | HAHAHAHAHA! |
| 17:04:44 | CloudChaser | can i do auto, users |
| 17:04:48 | CloudChaser | so it automounts? |
| 17:04:59 | ljp_work | yes |
| 17:06:41 | ljp_work | bbl |
| 17:07:23 | CloudChaser | damn |
| 17:07:27 | CloudChaser | i mess something up |
| 17:10:54 | [DrEvil] | *whine* |
| 17:11:07 | [DrEvil] | I wish these SGi 1600WS LCD panels would work with my GeForce |
| 17:11:21 | Speedy2 | [DrEvil]: Why won't they? |
| 17:11:34 | [DrEvil] | odd resolution |
| 17:11:37 | [DrEvil] | 1600x1024 |
| 17:11:42 | Speedy2 | hrm |
| 17:11:47 | kergoth_ | different aspect ratio, eh |
| 17:11:48 | [DrEvil] | there are only a few cards that work with them |
| 17:11:50 | Speedy2 | It's not a multi-sync? |
| 17:12:10 | Speedy2 | Well the GeForce I have does 1600x900, so it handles weirdo aspect ratios |
| 17:12:22 | Speedy2 | Hell |
| 17:12:25 | Speedy2 | Mine does 1600x1024 |
| 17:12:43 | [DrEvil] | they say it only supports a few cards |
| 17:12:44 | [DrEvil] | old ones |
| 17:12:56 | CloudChaser | no fuser command |
| 17:12:58 | Speedy2 | Umm |
| 17:13:03 | Speedy2 | Mine's a Ti4600 |
| 17:13:08 | [DrEvil] | I think it can use other cards, just not at the high res |
| 17:13:10 | George- | heh |
| 17:13:17 | [DrEvil] | http://www.sgi.com/products/legacy/displays.html |
| 17:13:19 | George- | My ATI support 1152x768 :) |
| 17:13:24 | George- | Slightly different =P |
| 17:14:20 | Speedy2 | [DrEvil]: Did you get this cheaply or something? |
| 17:14:22 | Speedy2 | That's a HUGE LCD |
| 17:14:23 | George- | ok |
| 17:14:28 | [DrEvil] | LCI didn't buy it |
| 17:14:30 | [DrEvil] | I want one |
| 17:14:32 | Speedy2 | [DrEvil]: Well, this GeForce will drive it |
| 17:14:32 | George- | what's --build, --host and --target? |
| 17:14:33 | [DrEvil] | grr |
| 17:14:50 | Speedy2 | George-: host == what you are running on, target == what is the target architecture |
| 17:17:06 | [DrEvil] | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2039954525 |
| 17:17:30 | ljp | cloud: you dont have /sbin/fuser? |
| 17:17:47 | [DrEvil] | I wonder what mods they made |
| 17:18:00 | kergoth_ | [DrEvil]: eh, even my geforce 2 gts supports that res |
| 17:18:04 | kergoth_ | [DrEvil]: you on the latest drivers? |
| 17:18:18 | Speedy2 | I don't know what "modification" is there |
| 17:18:23 | Speedy2 | But it's bogus |
| 17:18:26 | Speedy2 | I have a stock Ti4600 that does 1600x1024 |
| 17:18:29 | [DrEvil] | I don't have the monitor |
| 17:18:32 | Speedy2 | Yeah |
| 17:18:32 | [DrEvil] | I want it |
| 17:18:33 | NetAmp | so does my GF4 |
| 17:18:36 | Speedy2 | Exactly |
| 17:18:45 | Speedy2 | So, don't waste your damned money on that "modified" POS |
| 17:19:05 | [DrEvil] | I am window shopping |
| 17:19:14 | NetAmp | 1600x900, 1600x1024, 1600x1200 |
| 17:19:22 | [DrEvil] | I want an Octane too |
| 17:19:29 | Speedy2 | Now the interface cable... |
| 17:19:44 | hardwire | <mind21_98> ^A^B^C^D^E^F^G |
| 17:19:44 | hardwire | <mind21_98> ^H^I^J^K^L^M^N^O^P |
| 17:19:44 | hardwire | <mind21_98> ^Q^R^S |
| 17:19:44 | hardwire | <mind21_98> ^T^U^V |
| 17:19:44 | hardwire | <mind21_98> ^W^X^Y^Z |
| 17:19:45 | hardwire | <mind21_98> now i know my ansi escapes |
| 17:19:47 | hardwire | <mind21_98> next time won't you sing with me? |
| 17:19:57 | NetAmp | hehe |
| 17:20:12 | hardwire | is looking at one of his PS2 games |
| 17:20:17 | hardwire | Jak and Daxter |
| 17:20:20 | hardwire | mounted the dvd |
| 17:20:22 | hardwire | it runs on linux |
| 17:20:23 | NetAmp | :) |
| 17:20:26 | NetAmp | sweet |
| 17:20:28 | hardwire | yeah |
| 17:20:30 | hardwire | thats what I thought |
| 17:20:35 | hardwire | the boot loader is an ELF |
| 17:20:38 | NetAmp | :D |
| 17:20:42 | hardwire | and it mentiones linux several times in the bin |
| 17:21:02 | hardwire | I want to get the linux kit now |
| 17:21:05 | NetAmp | ;) |
| 17:21:10 | hardwire | to see if I can run jak and daxter under it |
| 17:21:12 | Speedy2 | I've got a friend who has it |
| 17:22:17 | hardwire | I should make a wad explorer for PS2 games |
| 17:24:27 | hardwire | I need to figure out how to turn DiVX into streaming DVD so that I can decode it when I get the linux kit |
| 17:24:41 | hardwire | or possibly just wait till somebody makes SDL stuff for it that works better |
| 17:25:14 | kergoth_ | Speedy2: oi. i must be missing something.. on the MCP shit.. i enable output of the clock signal for MCP from the LoCoMo chip, then I enable the alternate functions of the GPIOs for enabling external clock for MCP, and for outputting a clock that the tc35143af needs.. then I try to communicate with the tc35143af, but it gets mcp read timeouts.. MCE is set in MCCR0, so mcp should be enabled.. |
| 17:25:25 | Speedy2 | hrm |
| 17:25:32 | Speedy2 | I never messed with MCP honestly. |
| 17:25:36 | kergoth_ | it must be something stupid and simple |
| 17:25:39 | kergoth_ | i'm sure of it |
| 17:25:40 | kergoth_ | hmm |
| 17:25:45 | Speedy2 | ok, one sec |
| 17:25:58 | kergoth_ | rereads his intel sa1110 manual |
| 17:26:12 | Speedy2 | Seems you would want to setup MCP on CPU before doing anything with Locomo |
| 17:26:13 | hardwire | fun |
| 17:26:17 | hardwire | hahah |
| 17:26:55 | kergoth_ | Speedy2: well, I think i am.. let me doublecheck.. the collie init function sets up the various registers, then calls out the locomo init, which enables the clock output |
| 17:28:21 | NetAmp | hm |
| 17:28:33 | NetAmp | I guess it wouldn't be possible to transfer files over USB? |
| 17:28:40 | NetAmp | without an extra driver that is |
| 17:28:44 | NetAmp | and between 2 PC's |
| 17:28:45 | Speedy2 | yup |
| 17:28:57 | NetAmp | I know it's working for the Z... but that needs the NDIS5 driver :S |
| 17:29:22 | NetAmp | You'd think that Windows would support USB networking by default, but apparently it doesn't.. |
| 17:29:40 | Speedy2 | Well... |
| 17:29:48 | Speedy2 | USB is pretty complicated as it is |
| 17:29:56 | kergoth_ | Speedy2: hmm.. you're correct, i may be doing things in the wrong order. mcp is a driver/, and those are always loaded after the base shit.. so perhaps i should move enabling the locomo's clock output into the mcp enable function instead of as an initialization |
| 17:30:02 | kergoth_ | usb networking isnt though |
| 17:30:06 | kergoth_ | its just ethernet over usb |
| 17:30:18 | kergoth_ | usbnet.c is supremely basic |
| 17:30:25 | Speedy2 | Hrm |
| 17:30:26 | kergoth_ | (linux ethernet over usb driver) |
| 17:30:27 | NetAmp | hm... |
| 17:31:09 | kergoth_ | I was hacking usbnet to support changing usb configurations so that itd work with the Z back when i first got my 5000d.. never finished it though, then charles hacked up cdcether for it |
| 17:31:14 | kergoth_ | i actually dont mind usb |
| 17:31:23 | NetAmp | :) |
| 17:35:44 | [DrEvil] | flashes |
| 17:35:46 | [DrEvil] | and flashes |
| 17:35:48 | [DrEvil] | and flashes |
| 17:36:21 | kergoth_ | man, i dont need to see that |
| 17:36:22 | kergoth_ | heh |
| 17:37:24 | Speedy2 | heh |
| 17:37:35 | [DrEvil] | potty mind |
| 17:38:24 | Speedy2 | Well you could be turning colors too, which we don't want to see |
| 17:39:06 | [George] | kergoth_: ping |
| 17:40:07 | Speedy2 | [George]: pong |
| 17:40:12 | [George] | Speedy2: what? |
| 17:40:33 | NetAmp | pang |
| 17:40:33 | Speedy2 | nm |
| 17:41:12 | NetAmp | heeeeeeeerrres Johnny! |
| 17:45:14 | [George] | ok |
| 17:45:16 | [George] | this is annoying me |
| 17:45:17 | [George] | grrrrr |
| 17:45:55 | [George] | I can't get sarien to understand *GRRR* that *grrr* this *GRRR* system is to be cross *grrr* compiled! |
| 18:05:06 | ljp | doesnt understand why sysinfo lies about /mnt/ram |
| 18:07:09 | ljp | thinks he now knows why... not praising uller enough |
| 18:08:31 | Speedy_2 | Allah? |
| 18:08:54 | ljp | noooo.. uller! |
| 18:09:12 | ljp | norwegian god of snow! |
| 18:10:12 | [George] | ljp: heh |
| 18:10:24 | [George] | can't get sarien to cross compile |
| 18:10:25 | [George] | cries |
| 18:10:32 | ljp | thats why its been too hot and dry also.. people forgot about the great uller |
| 18:10:42 | [George] | heh |
| 18:10:48 | [George] | I prefer to worship udder |
| 18:10:55 | [George] | the god of cows' undersides :) |
| 18:10:59 | ljp | and no ski's were sacrificed lately |
| 18:11:06 | [DrEvil] | where is the qpe feed? |
| 18:11:17 | [George] | where do I get XiTE? |
| 18:11:23 | [George] | The IDE for a Z? :) |
| 18:11:38 | ljp | george: xite is not available |
| 18:11:48 | [George] | ljp: hmm? |
| 18:11:48 | ljp | although for $17 ykceditor is |
| 18:11:50 | [George] | ljp: why not?!?! |
| 18:12:05 | ljp | get tkceditor |
| 18:12:22 | [George] | erm |
| 18:12:26 | [George] | I have no money |
| 18:12:51 | oGMo | so port gvim or something |
| 18:12:56 | oGMo | or xemacs |
| 18:12:57 | oGMo | runs :) |
| 18:13:02 | [George] | heh |
| 18:13:08 | [George] | already been done (KVim) |
| 18:13:12 | [George] | hmm |
| 18:13:17 | [George] | I'm porting Quanta =P |
| 18:13:21 | [George] | (At the moment0 |
| 18:13:22 | | feed is a package repository or http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds or http://www.zauruszone.com/feed/ or http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/ for OpenZaurus |
| 18:13:22 | [DrEvil] | ibot, feed |
| 18:15:20 | ljp | ahh just got a postcard from Lapland |
| 18:15:33 | ][N-Flux | is back (gone 03:59:53) |
| 18:19:19 | ljp | likes listening to electronic music loud |
| 18:19:49 | [DrEvil] | tkcQuantaGold |
| 18:22:08 | ljp | ok, all you memory complainers, opie sysinfo shows the correct /mnt/ram.. well.. the same as df now anyway... |
| 18:26:17 | [George] | screams at his zaurus |
| 18:37:51 | ljp | cranks up the electronic music to drown out Georges screams |
| 18:38:08 | siriusnov | hey |
| 18:38:19 | siriusnov | you guys know about the SPeech Synthesis software for the Z? |
| 18:38:26 | siriusnov | its pretty neat |
| 18:38:27 | treke|home | siriusnov: flite |
| 18:38:37 | treke|home | or is theis mandrakes app? |
| 18:38:42 | siriusnov | yeah its cool |
| 18:39:17 | siriusnov | flite |
| 18:41:10 | treke|home | starts getting a bit frustrated :) |
| 18:42:59 | ljp | me notices that his rme soundcard sounds much better than the 1371 |
| 18:49:02 | siriusnov | haha |
| 18:49:05 | siriusnov | this is so cool |
| 18:49:12 | siriusnov | is playing around with flite |
| 18:49:20 | siriusnov | I could use this to drive the TAs in lab insane |
| 18:49:37 | siriusnov | just hook it up to the speaker system and read out all the labs ;) |
| 18:51:16 | ljp | hehehee thats cruel |
| 18:51:25 | siriusnov | or even better |
| 18:51:31 | siriusnov | I could do it to the students! |
| 18:51:42 | siriusnov | have the lab read out thru my Z |
| 18:51:44 | siriusnov | ;) |
| 18:52:30 | [George] | 1 5|-|411 |-|4\/3 /\/\y \/3/\/63a/\/|=3, 1/\/ 7|-|15 l1f3, 0r 7|-|3 /\/3><7 <-- Can anyone decipher that? |
| 18:52:55 | ljp | looks like a regular expression ;) |
| 18:52:58 | [George] | heh |
| 18:53:03 | [George] | some script kiddie sent it to me |
| 18:53:18 | siriusnov | flite needs a better voice though |
| 18:53:27 | siriusnov | the mechanical voice it uses is a drone |
| 18:53:29 | tboc | "i shall have my" ... |
| 18:53:36 | siriusnov | revenge |
| 18:53:39 | tboc | vengeance |
| 18:53:43 | siriusnov | vengeance |
| 18:53:44 | tboc | i think |
| 18:53:45 | siriusnov | hehe |
| 18:53:47 | treke|home | siriusnov: I dont think flite is meant to sound good :) |
| 18:53:52 | treke|home | siriusnov: Its meant to be small and fast |
| 18:54:19 | siriusnov | treke, yeah but come on they atleast COULD put StarTreks computer voice |
| 18:54:19 | tboc | "in this life, or the next" |
| 18:54:21 | siriusnov | substitute |
| 18:54:23 | [George] | I shall have my vengeance? |
| 18:54:26 | [George] | oh right |
| 18:54:32 | [George] | looks like a quote from Gladiator |
| 18:54:39 | tboc | i looks like BS ;) |
| 18:54:44 | [George] | BS? |
| 18:54:53 | tboc | bullshit |
| 18:54:56 | [George] | haha |
| 18:54:58 | [George] | yeh :) |
| 18:55:00 | treke|home | siriusnov: ha |
| 18:55:11 | siriusnov | it would sound SOOO much better |
| 18:55:17 | siriusnov | ;) |
| 18:55:46 | [George] | goes to scream at the scripter |
| 18:56:52 | noidd | quiet in here init? |
| 18:56:59 | [George] | yeh |
| 18:57:13 | noidd | everyone hacking away for the contest? :-) |
| 18:57:26 | [George] | noidd: nope |
| 18:57:31 | siriusnov | what contst? |
| 18:57:33 | [George] | noidd: Well, not me, anyway :0 |
| 18:57:35 | siriusnov | contest? |
| 18:57:38 | treke|home | is |
| 18:57:40 | [George] | noidd: You shouldn't have mentioned it! |
| 18:57:45 | noidd | everyone downloading the latest ROM released while I was down the pub? |
| 18:57:48 | prpplague | wants x on his zaurus |
| 18:57:50 | [George] | noidd: It is your right to stay SILENT! Don't tell him! :) |
| 18:57:59 | prpplague | anyone here doing x on zaurus? |
| 18:58:08 | hardwire | I have to sdo some serious grepping |
| 18:58:13 | noidd | prpplague: yeah - i installed it - its nice :-) |
| 18:58:34 | prpplague | noidd: build it yourself or you got a package from somewhere? |
| 18:59:01 | [George] | notes that ROM version 1.14 will prolly never be released |
| 18:59:07 | hardwire | how standard is perl on the Z yet? |
| 18:59:35 | treke|home | probably as standard as gtk |
| 18:59:39 | hardwire | haha |
| 18:59:41 | hardwire | fine then |
| 18:59:56 | hardwire | I will arbitrate my entire program into php and offer an online service that will get shut down in a month |
| 19:00:05 | treke|home | haha |
| 19:00:18 | hardwire | I will call it.. avantfree |
| 19:00:19 | hardwire | hah |
| 19:00:23 | siriusnov | hehe |
| 19:03:02 | noidd | prpplague: there are two ipks |
| 19:03:09 | hardwire | haha |
| 19:03:11 | hardwire | actually |
| 19:03:16 | hardwire | I am gonna call it excerpta |
| 19:03:31 | ljp | call it atwerpa |
| 19:03:36 | hardwire | que? |
| 19:03:43 | prpplague | noidd: on the handhelds.org site? |
| 19:03:50 | [George] | anyone here signed up for the Sharp Programming Contest? |
| 19:03:53 | ljp | a twerp a |
| 19:03:59 | noidd | and I still cant get Qt.pm to compile under x86, let alone arm |
| 19:04:01 | hardwire | is no twerp |
| 19:04:03 | [George] | the "write a proggy and we'll send you a zaurus" thing? |
| 19:04:04 | noidd | [George]: not me :-( |
| 19:04:16 | [George] | noidd: why not? |
| 19:04:30 | ljp | funny that my cat is now writing qpe code |
| 19:04:32 | noidd | Well, lets just say yesterday I learned the difference between: |
| 19:04:44 | noidd | char a = 'X' |
| 19:04:45 | noidd | and |
| 19:04:51 | noidd | char a = "X" |
| 19:04:52 | noidd | :-) |
| 19:04:58 | [George] | ljp: Stop talking about your cat :) |
| 19:05:02 | [George] | noidd: heh |
| 19:05:09 | [George] | noidd: I can't remember the difference |
| 19:05:16 | [George] | noidd: I did know once :) |
| 19:05:27 | noidd | [George]: picked up my first C++ programming book 2 days ago. |
| 19:05:36 | noidd | I wouldn't trust my C++ yet :-) |
| 19:05:43 | [George] | noidd: oic |
| 19:05:53 | [George] | which book? |
| 19:06:28 | ljp | my cat heard you say that |
| 19:06:28 | noidd | C++ Primer |
| 19:06:31 | noidd | C++ Primer plus |
| 19:06:33 | noidd | even |
| 19:06:47 | [George] | noidd: ooh, I have that book |
| 19:06:48 | noidd | as reccomended by a certain person on this channel who shall remain nameless |
| 19:06:50 | [George] | noidd: somewhere... |
| 19:07:05 | Speedy2 | Hey all |
| 19:07:15 | ljp | hi |
| 19:07:15 | [George] | why? |
| 19:07:17 | Speedy2 | A few days ago someone mentioned some website where you meet people with similair interests |
| 19:07:19 | Speedy2 | What was the URL? |
| 19:07:20 | [George] | noidd: why? :) |
| 19:07:22 | Speedy2 | Need to find something |
| 19:07:33 | [George] | noidd: Is it a crap book, or something? :) |
| 19:07:35 | hardwire | somebody should add tar.gz explore support to konq |
| 19:07:37 | noidd | Speedy2: that was me |
| 19:07:41 | hardwire | so that you can download all your sites as a tar.gz |
| 19:07:41 | hardwire | heh |
| 19:07:44 | Speedy2 | noidd: What was teh URL? |
| 19:07:46 | noidd | http://www.meetup.com |
| 19:07:47 | [George] | Speedy2: www.fuckups.com :) |
| 19:07:49 | Speedy2 | lol |
| 19:08:00 | noidd | Speedy2: thinking of creating zaurus.meetup.com? |
| 19:08:02 | noidd | :-) |
| 19:08:22 | Speedy2 | noidd: No |
| 19:09:41 | [George] | fuckups.meetup.com? :) |
| 19:11:03 | prpplague | noidd: got a url for those packages? |
| 19:11:26 | noidd | prpplague: sure, one sec - i'll give you the parent artic,e |
| 19:12:54 | nadav | ah |
| 19:12:56 | nadav | server is back |
| 19:14:47 | noidd | prpplague: http://www.linuxjournal.com//article.php?sid=5902 |
| 19:14:54 | [George] | anyone here use the G2 screen protectors? |
| 19:14:57 | noidd | lots of good stuff in that article |
| 19:14:57 | nadav | Can anyone ping 65.208.40.146 |
| 19:15:00 | nadav | ? |
| 19:15:07 | nadav | [George]: netamp ;) |
| 19:15:10 | [George] | I just ordered 4 at some extortionate price of about $30 |
| 19:15:13 | noidd | the X refferences, instructions and URL is about halfway down. |
| 19:15:13 | ljp | notices how bad the designer writes code |
| 19:15:22 | [George] | nadav: haha, I heard :) |
| 19:15:33 | [George] | nadav: "Why won't this fucking thing fit?!?!?!" |
| 19:15:42 | nadav | [George]: Yeah, i heard you talking. Hence, the ";)" |
| 19:15:46 | nadav | heh |
| 19:16:00 | [George] | hehe |
| 19:16:13 | nadav | "You are up on the netwrok again at 65.208.40.146 |
| 19:16:16 | nadav | " |
| 19:16:18 | nadav | LIAR! it doesn't ping! |
| 19:16:30 | siriusnov | no |
| 19:16:33 | siriusnov | I use WriteRights |
| 19:16:37 | siriusnov | they do the job for me |
| 19:16:42 | siriusnov | G2s are too expensive for me |
| 19:16:56 | prpplague | noidd: ahh, thank you, thank you, i owe you a cheese burger and a beer |
| 19:17:24 | George- | siriusnov: apparently, the G2s last indefinitely |
| 19:17:38 | George- | siriusnov: and apparently, they can stand up to steel wool without being scratched |
| 19:17:48 | George- | siriusnov: and they're crystal clear |
| 19:18:20 | George- | just bought loads of shit for his Z, scratch remover for his screen... 4 screen protectors (G2)... |
| 19:18:41 | nadav | heh |
| 19:18:52 | nadav | would.. but he has no z |
| 19:18:57 | nadav | *sobs* |
| 19:19:01 | George- | nadav: iPaq? |
| 19:19:09 | nadav | well, it's not that i can't buy it |
| 19:19:14 | nadav | nah |
| 19:19:14 | nadav | none |
| 19:19:17 | George- | nadav: Pen 'n' Paper 2002 running M$ PaperOS 5000? |
| 19:19:35 | George- | hmm |
| 19:19:41 | George- | that's bad, not even pen and paper ;) |
| 19:19:46 | nadav | haha |
| 19:19:57 | nadav | well |
| 19:19:59 | nadav | i might buy a z soon |
| 19:20:08 | George- | so, if it is that you can't buy it? |
| 19:20:10 | nadav | if i settle with an emac instead of the beautiful 17" imac |
| 19:20:18 | George- | is it that you can't be bothered to get off your ass and buy it? :) |
| 19:20:32 | nadav | heh |
| 19:20:35 | George- | nadav: Take a plunge! Get a tiBook like me! :) |
| 19:20:36 | nadav | well i can't buy it RIGHT NOW |
| 19:20:42 | nadav | as i'm in israel |
| 19:20:46 | nadav | you run linux on it, don't you? |
| 19:20:51 | nadav | a tibook. i woul |
| 19:20:51 | nadav | d |
| 19:20:53 | George- | notes that his tiBook is going off for repair Real Soon Now (TM) |
| 19:20:59 | noidd | hmmm, beer |
| 19:21:02 | George- | yeh, Gentoo PPC |
| 19:21:06 | nadav | ah |
| 19:21:10 | George- | haha |
| 19:21:18 | nadav | I don't think i'll have the money |
| 19:21:25 | nadav | 667 or 800mhz? |
| 19:21:27 | George- | I even managed to get DRI working |
| 19:21:31 | George- | poses |
| 19:21:36 | George- | 667MHz, old one |
| 19:21:37 | nadav | heh |
| 19:21:43 | nadav | oh |
| 19:21:43 | George- | ie - the top PowerBook 4 months ago |
| 19:21:49 | nadav | heh |
| 19:21:54 | George- | (when I got it, anyway) |
| 19:21:57 | nadav | PB = very sexy machine |
| 19:22:01 | George- | hehe |
| 19:22:03 | nadav | played with one a few weeks ago |
| 19:22:06 | nadav | only for a bit though |
| 19:22:06 | George- | The new screen looks really crap |
| 19:22:11 | George- | that is |
| 19:22:20 | nadav | I'm gonna go to the apple store when i go back to atlanta in a week |
| 19:22:22 | George- | not *that* much better than the old screen (which I have) |
| 19:22:27 | nadav | it's only around 20-30 minutes away |
| 19:22:28 | George- | or maybe it's just me being a sore loser? :) |
| 19:22:31 | nadav | heh |
| 19:22:39 | George- | cool |
| 19:22:48 | George- | Macs 0wn |
| 19:22:59 | nadav | heh |
| 19:23:03 | nadav | I'll see soon enough |
| 19:23:05 | George- | The batt life on my TiBook really smashes up any WinTel laptop |
| 19:23:10 | nadav | i've never owned a mac |
| 19:23:16 | nadav | can you ping 65.208.40.146? |
| 19:23:18 | George- | I much prefer to have a 5h batt, than a 20min batt |
| 19:23:26 | nadav | heh |
| 19:23:27 | George- | neither had I, until I got this PB |
| 19:23:32 | George- | hang on |
| 19:23:36 | nadav | ugh |
| 19:23:41 | nadav | this wireless mouse is playing games with me |
| 19:23:49 | George- | george@titanium george $ ping 65.208.40.146 |
| 19:23:49 | George- | PING 65.208.40.146 (65.208.40.146): 56 octets data |
| 19:23:49 | George- | --- 65.208.40.146 ping statistics --- |
| 19:23:49 | George- | 3 packets transmitted, 0 packets received, 100% packet loss |
| 19:23:59 | nadav | grrr |
| 19:24:04 | hardwire | wiit |
| 19:24:08 | hardwire | y |
| 19:24:22 | ljp | pong |
| 19:25:01 | nadav | an offline server. how useful |
| 19:25:09 | nadav | George-: how's the keyboard of the tibook? |
| 19:25:10 | siriusnov | lol nadav |
| 19:25:17 | Speedy2 | What speed is CPU on TiBook? |
| 19:25:40 | siriusnov | tibooks are nice |
| 19:25:49 | nadav | [22:26] <George-> 667MHz, old one |
| 19:25:55 | Speedy2 | ah |
| 19:25:58 | George- | nadav: very nice and springy |
| 19:26:21 | Speedy2 | Well the PPC processor I would assume consumes far less power than an el-crapo x86 one |
| 19:26:27 | George- | Speedy2: 400MHz, 500MHz, 667MHz w/256KB L2, 667MHz w/1MB L3, 800MHz w/1MB L3 |
| 19:26:31 | Speedy2 | Not to mention being < 1Ghz helps power consumption |
| 19:26:38 | Speedy2 | George-: You have that many? Give me one |
| 19:26:38 | George- | Speedy2: I have the 667MHz with no L3 |
| 19:26:49 | George- | Speedy2: No |
| 19:26:50 | Speedy2 | Wow, they make versions with L3. |
| 19:26:53 | George- | Speedy2: I don't have all those |
| 19:26:56 | George- | Speedy2: They're all the clock speeds :) |
| 19:27:02 | Speedy2 | I see |
| 19:27:07 | George- | Speedy2: Not only that, PPC is RISC |
| 19:27:09 | Speedy2 | One measures clock speeds in MHz |
| 19:27:12 | Speedy2 | George-: That's a given |
| 19:27:33 | George- | ? |
| 19:27:33 | Speedy2 | But RISC can sometimes mean more instruction fetches, etc. |
| 19:27:41 | Speedy2 | I mean, of course the PowerPC processor is RISC! |
| 19:27:48 | W|GGL|T | wonders if will BB let me test out wireless CF cards at the store |
| 19:27:52 | George- | I want one of those 800MHz 6 gigaflop TiBooks, but hey, I can't get everything :) |
| 19:27:55 | Speedy2 | RISC itself doesn't mean lower power consumption, but compared to x86...hell yes |
| 19:28:00 | nadav | heh |
| 19:28:31 | nadav | Hm |
| 19:28:38 | siriusnov | hey |
| 19:28:45 | siriusnov | anyone got a Cuecat to work with their Zaurus? |
| 19:28:46 | Speedy2 | ok, bbl |
| 19:28:49 | nadav | What video card do they put in the TiBook? |
| 19:28:51 | siriusnov | that would be pretty cool |
| 19:28:53 | George- | brb |
| 19:29:00 | Speedy2 | siriusnov: It's possible if it's a serial device...but I think the CueCat people won't release the spec |
| 19:29:09 | siriusnov | :( |
| 19:30:07 | Speedy2 | bbl |
| 19:30:49 | prpplague | noidd: thanks again |
| 19:31:05 | nadav | waits for the tech to reply |
| 19:31:28 | nadav | apple should make a G4 ibook |
| 19:31:33 | siriusnov | heh |
| 19:31:57 | George- | nadav: No they shouldn't |
| 19:32:07 | George- | nadav: then us tiBook owners would have nothing to brag about :) |
| 19:32:14 | nadav | haha |
| 19:32:23 | nadav | they'd have the sexier screen! |
| 19:32:27 | nadav | well, in size |
| 19:32:36 | nadav | i've never seen the new ibook in real life |
| 19:32:39 | George- | heh |
| 19:32:49 | George- | The TiBook is twice as thin as the iBook, too |
| 19:32:50 | siriusnov | its ok |
| 19:32:52 | siriusnov | nothing special |
| 19:32:54 | George- | heh |
| 19:32:56 | siriusnov | ive given up on laptops |
| 19:32:58 | George- | about 5 ppl at my school have iBooks |
| 19:33:03 | siriusnov | I have a powerful computer at home |
| 19:33:10 | siriusnov | and the Z replaces my laptop |
| 19:33:25 | George- | siriusnov: heh, I'm thinking of selling my 700MHz Celeron, 320MB RAM, 20GB HDD computer |
| 19:33:32 | George- | siriusnov: So I can buy a decent desktop |
| 19:33:38 | siriusnov | yeah |
| 19:33:41 | siriusnov | I built my own |
| 19:34:32 | nadav | I'll probably buy an apple desktop. the ibook is not powerful enough and the powerbook is too damn expensive |
| 19:34:50 | siriusnov | powerbook = much $$$ |
| 19:34:50 | nadav | well |
| 19:34:53 | siriusnov | but its a nice machine |
| 19:34:59 | nadav | i have another week of dreaming until i can actually do something |
| 19:35:22 | George- | nadav: have you seen the apple "refurbished" shop? |
| 19:35:26 | George- | nadav: up to 45% discounts |
| 19:35:37 | George- | nadav: open only on friggin' wednesday |
| 19:35:50 | nadav | Hm. |
| 19:35:59 | nadav | How do i get to it? |
| 19:36:10 | George- | I'm not sure |
| 19:36:14 | George- | :) |
| 19:36:20 | nadav | haha |
| 19:36:25 | George- | don't ask me! I'm still a kid =P |
| 19:36:28 | nadav | So am i. |
| 19:36:36 | George- | damn |
| 19:36:40 | George- | I bet I'm younger =P |
| 19:36:45 | nadav | Nah |
| 19:36:49 | nadav | I'll bet you i'm younger |
| 19:36:53 | George- | hmm |
| 19:36:58 | George- | hehe |
| 19:37:06 | siriusnov | im younger |
| 19:37:06 | siriusnov | =P |
| 19:37:16 | nadav | people almost died when i told them my age after they knew me for a year (on IRC..) |
| 19:37:18 | nadav | oh yeaH/ |
| 19:37:20 | nadav | how old? ;) |
| 19:37:22 | George- | no ur not |
| 19:37:22 | George- | =P |
| 19:37:24 | siriusnov | hehe |
| 19:37:29 | George- | 14 |
| 19:37:36 | siriusnov | 6 |
| 19:37:37 | siriusnov | ha |
| 19:37:38 | siriusnov | beat ya |
| 19:37:39 | nadav | heh |
| 19:37:39 | siriusnov | =P |
| 19:37:46 | nadav | close, i'm steal beating ya george |
| 19:37:51 | George- | shut up :) |
| 19:37:51 | nadav | *still |
| 19:37:52 | nadav | jeez |
| 19:38:03 | siriusnov | im a 2 year old |
| 19:38:05 | siriusnov | in diapers |
| 19:38:09 | nadav | yes |
| 19:38:12 | nadav | a baby with a z |
| 19:38:15 | George- | nadav: how old then? |
| 19:38:16 | nadav | i can imagine that |
| 19:38:18 | siriusnov | hehe |
| 19:38:18 | nadav | George-: 13 |
| 19:38:25 | George- | siriusnov: on IRC? |
| 19:38:25 | nadav | :P |
| 19:38:30 | George- | siriusnov: With a Z? |
| 19:38:30 | siriusnov | yeah on IRC hehe |
| 19:38:34 | George- | nadav: damn |
| 19:38:39 | George- | nadav: birthdate? |
| 19:38:52 | nadav | George-: turned 13 this june ;) |
| 19:39:00 | George- | hmm |
| 19:39:01 | nadav | I dunno, i think i should be 15 by now |
| 19:39:06 | George- | strange |
| 19:39:13 | nadav | for a whole year, people thought i was 15-16 on IRC |
| 19:39:16 | George- | I turned 14 in march ;) |
| 19:39:21 | nadav | heh |
| 19:39:28 | George- | starts the "I'm older than you nyanyanya!" thing |
| 19:39:33 | George- | bullies nadav |
| 19:39:39 | George- | ;) |
| 19:39:42 | nadav | when did you start with linux? and irc? |
| 19:39:54 | George- | uhm when I was 9/10 |
| 19:40:00 | George- | and IRC a couple years ago |
| 19:40:04 | nadav | heh |
| 19:40:16 | nadav | i didn't do linux until 11 or so |
| 19:40:17 | oGMo | what is this, #zauruskids? |
| 19:40:21 | nadav | IRC = 9/10 |
| 19:40:23 | nadav | oGMo: hahaha |
| 19:40:34 | nadav | at 9-10 i was a windows fool.. did VB etc |
| 19:40:36 | siriusnov | lol |
| 19:40:39 | George- | oGMo: blah |
| 19:40:50 | oGMo | or would that be... #kidZ |
| 19:40:52 | George- | nadav: haha, I did VB at 7 =P |
| 19:41:01 | nadav | George-: damn you |
| 19:41:02 | siriusnov | i did it when I was still in me mums tummy |
| 19:41:03 | George- | oGMo: LOL |
| 19:41:03 | siriusnov | =P |
| 19:41:03 | [DrEvil] | scriptkiddz |
| 19:41:10 | nadav | beat0r1ng m3 l1k3 dat |
| 19:41:20 | oGMo | i played games on a vic-20 when i was a kid |
| 19:41:26 | George- | siriusnov: ur mum had a computer in her stomach? GROSS!!! |
| 19:41:35 | siriusnov | she had a Commodore 64 |
| 19:41:40 | siriusnov | complete with tape drive |
| 19:41:44 | siriusnov | hehe |
| 19:41:46 | nadav | heh |
| 19:41:47 | George- | siriusnov: LMAO |
| 19:41:49 | oGMo | umopapisdn: cute |
| 19:41:50 | [DrEvil] | 7hi5 i5 50 c001 |
| 19:41:59 | George- | ROFL |
| 19:42:05 | George- | [DrEvil]: j00 sux0r |
| 19:42:06 | umopapisdn | oGMo: cute? |
| 19:42:07 | [DrEvil] | I had a TI99/4A |
| 19:42:09 | George- | :) |
| 19:42:13 | oGMo | umopapisdn: nick, that is |
| 19:42:18 | [DrEvil] | 16 bit |
| 19:42:24 | [DrEvil] | 16k of ram |
| 19:42:25 | nadav | I know someone who thinks he's an 3l33t hax0r |
| 19:42:28 | George- | nadav: you are evil! |
| 19:42:31 | oGMo | i wrote a little perl to upsidedownify stuff |
| 19:42:36 | nadav | George-: i DO consider myself evil |
| 19:42:36 | George- | nadav: being younger than me *cries* |
| 19:42:37 | umopapisdn | oGMo: ah, yeah... only for those of us hanging upsidedown... :) |
| 19:42:40 | nadav | i call my server evil ;) |
| 19:42:46 | [DrEvil] | w0nd3rfu1 |
| 19:42:47 | oGMo | umopapisdn: heh ;) |
| 19:42:51 | nadav | George-: Mwauahahaha |
| 19:42:53 | George- | nadav: pah |
| 19:43:01 | George- | [DrEvil]: shut up :) |
| 19:43:06 | [DrEvil] | n0 |
| 19:43:13 | umopapisdn | anyone here running OZ? |
| 19:43:14 | [DrEvil] | i7'5 7h3 IRC c1i3n7 |
| 19:43:15 | George- | nadav: hah, I am 3l337, I have a TiBook nyanyanya |
| 19:43:15 | nadav | this "friend" of mine is one of those people who would go up to people saying "Hello, i'm an eleet haxoror" |
| 19:43:17 | oGMo | you're all mostly fired. |
| 19:43:18 | nadav | we made him do that |
| 19:43:24 | George- | umopapisdn: yes |
| 19:43:24 | nadav | George-: damnit. don't rub it in ;) |
| 19:43:25 | oGMo | umopapisdn: i checked it out a couple days ago |
| 19:43:41 | [DrEvil] | ponders going to CompUSA and picking up a BT CF card |
| 19:43:41 | George- | nadav: haha |
| 19:43:46 | George- | nadav: I know ur weak spot |
| 19:43:52 | nadav | George-: oi! |
| 19:43:56 | [DrEvil] | it will be a splendid addition to EvilROM |
| 19:43:58 | umopapisdn | do i need to rename any of the files when i transfer them to the flashcard? |
| 19:44:02 | oGMo | umopapisdn: it looks really pretty and some things are a lot nicer, but the fact it makes your ROM rw and not all the apps i use are there, i decided to go back to the sharp rom for awhile |
| 19:44:04 | siriusnov | DrEvil, wireless? |
| 19:44:16 | [DrEvil] | BT is wireless |
| 19:44:23 | [DrEvil] | I already have a WiFi CF card |
| 19:44:26 | siriusnov | dont get a BT |
| 19:44:27 | siriusnov | get an SMC |
| 19:44:27 | oGMo | umopapisdn: you need one file called zImage and another called initrd.bin or whatever |
| 19:44:28 | umopapisdn | I just tried flashing it, but my Z didn't want to boot up afterwards. |
| 19:44:29 | siriusnov | thats what I have |
| 19:44:30 | siriusnov | its nice |
| 19:44:31 | siriusnov | small |
| 19:44:40 | siriusnov | and gives you 1 hour of batt life |
| 19:44:40 | [DrEvil] | BT=BlueTooth |
| 19:44:41 | siriusnov | or 2 |
| 19:44:42 | oGMo | umopapisdn: and a bootlevel.txt or whatever, see the INSTALL file |
| 19:44:45 | siriusnov | oh |
| 19:44:48 | siriusnov | ok |
| 19:45:01 | [DrEvil] | I have a Buffalo WiFi card |
| 19:45:12 | umopapisdn | oGMo: so the zImage file (in my case zimage-40-24) should be renamed to just zimage for it to work? |
| 19:45:19 | [DrEvil] | CompUSA has the Ambicom BT2000CF for $99 |
| 19:45:29 | [DrEvil] | yes |
| 19:45:34 | [DrEvil] | remane it to zImage |
| 19:45:40 | XavierXeon | thinks about a PPC port for the Z. it boots directly in a bluescreen. very resource friendly |
| 19:45:47 | nadav | hah |
| 19:45:49 | umopapisdn | [DrEvil]: thanks! |
| 19:46:02 | oGMo | umopapisdn: yeah |
| 19:46:17 | oGMo | i don't think it's case sensitive but it never hurts to be exact |
| 19:46:28 | umopapisdn | off to try again then. :) ciao! |
| 19:46:32 | oGMo | good luck |
| 19:46:38 | [DrEvil] | it isn't case sensitive |
| 19:46:44 | [DrEvil] | since the CF card is FAT |
| 19:46:48 | oGMo | yeah |
| 19:47:28 | oGMo | i need to get a big CF card and some earbuds or unobtrusive phones |
| 19:47:33 | [DrEvil] | unless someone changed toe format |
| 19:47:45 | [DrEvil] | earbuds hurt |
| 19:47:52 | oGMo | i just wish i could hook the thing directly up to a headset and cellphone |
| 19:47:57 | oGMo | [DrEvil]: yeah |
| 19:48:23 | oGMo | food, brb |
| 19:48:28 | [DrEvil] | when I get my BT card I can play on my cell phone |
| 19:52:46 | XavierXeon | does anyone have problems with oz and downscaled images in konquror ? |
| 19:54:28 | siriusnov | hey anyone tried AmigaDE on their Z? |
| 19:54:53 | [DrEvil] | no |
| 19:54:57 | [DrEvil] | but it sounds painful |
| 19:55:03 | siriusnov | hehe |
| 20:02:40 | tboc | hmm, what about QNX? i heard there is a version available for the Z? |
| 20:05:29 | W|GGL|T | i thought that wasn't released yet |
| 20:05:54 | tboc | dunno |
| 20:06:15 | tboc | would be cool though |
| 20:06:41 | W|GGL|T | yeah, i'd try it in a heartbeat |
| 20:06:54 | tboc | i once tried the 1 disk RTOS-demo |
| 20:07:13 | W|GGL|T | its a pretty quick os |
| 20:07:15 | siriusnov | there is QNX for the ipaq |
| 20:07:21 | siriusnov | QNX is pretty cool |
| 20:07:24 | tboc | ack :) |
| 20:07:34 | siriusnov | but its not aimed for the end user market |
| 20:07:39 | siriusnov | so no a lot of apps |
| 20:08:00 | tboc | siriusnov: so it's the same as with the orig. rom? ;P |
| 20:08:08 | siriusnov | dunno |
| 20:08:28 | siriusnov | http://qnx.wox.org/ipaq/screenshots/ |
| 20:08:30 | tboc | i'm still waiting for some applications ... |
| 20:08:33 | siriusnov | looks sweet |
| 20:08:39 | tboc | yeah :) |
| 20:09:23 | hardwire | I like their icon browser |
| 20:09:45 | tux_mike | spiffy |
| 20:09:54 | hardwire | too bad QNX is sorta.. expensive |
| 20:09:56 | hardwire | to do anything with |
| 20:09:59 | siriusnov | well yeah |
| 20:10:05 | hardwire | even as a developer |
| 20:10:28 | tboc | hardwire: how much is a license? |
| 20:10:51 | hardwire | like I would eveer want to find out :P |
| 20:10:56 | tboc | ;) |
| 20:12:15 | W|GGL|T | guess i'll go deeper into debt and buy a WAP and wireless cf card |
| 20:12:23 | W|GGL|T | tomorrow tho....wife will be gone :o) |
| 20:12:38 | siriusnov | haha |
| 20:12:40 | noidd | ok, bed for me |
| 20:12:44 | noidd | catch you guys tomorrow |
| 20:12:48 | W|GGL|T | later noidd |
| 20:12:49 | nadav | later noidd |
| 20:13:03 | noidd | i'm guessing there was no 2.38 rom yesterday? |
| 20:13:36 | noidd | nevermatter |
| 20:13:39 | noidd | later :-) |
| 20:15:22 | W|GGL|T | i dont even know what the hell wireless cf will work with the Z |
| 20:15:35 | W|GGL|T | can't trust sharp's site either |
| 20:18:00 | siriusnov | get an SMC |
| 20:18:02 | siriusnov | its awesome |
| 20:18:04 | siriusnov | thats what I use |
| 20:18:07 | siriusnov | low power usage |
| 20:18:12 | siriusnov | and doesnt block any ports |
| 20:18:30 | siriusnov | SMC 2642W |
| 20:19:35 | George- | Anyone managed to hack the Zaurus cradle to draw power from the USB bus? |
| 20:22:47 | oGMo | i think it would require too much power, plus, why? and it may already anyway ;) |
| 20:23:11 | ljp | http://wwwcip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de/~sisihaus/stuff/konq.png |
| 20:25:43 | ljp | anybody have any mod files they'd care to share with someone who has no idea what they are? |
| 20:25:50 | hardwire | Cleopatra just said "kinky" |
| 20:25:53 | hardwire | stops watching xena now |
| 20:26:45 | ljp | needs mod files |
| 20:26:48 | ljp | even one |
| 20:29:23 | ljp | c'mon.. no hep cats here? |
| 20:30:18 | oGMo | mod files? |
| 20:30:25 | oGMo | like the music variety? |
| 20:30:31 | W|GGL|T | siriusnov: you get your SMC from BB? |
| 20:30:34 | oGMo | i'm sure you can find them aplenty on the web ;) |
| 20:31:38 | W|GGL|T | doesn't do web shopping much...sometimes it can be alot of hassle |
| 20:31:45 | W|GGL|T | plus, i don't like to wait |
| 20:33:22 | XavierXeon | is konq/e still developed ? |
| 20:33:58 | ljp | that screenies was in windows |
| 20:34:14 | XavierXeon | kde2 runs in cygwin |
| 20:34:45 | ljp | yep |
| 20:37:14 | oGMo | bah. people need to start writing some killer little apps, there's barely anything. time for me to compile a cross-gcc |
| 20:38:05 | XavierXeon | oGMo: what killer app ? |
| 20:38:09 | CloudChaser | i think i hosed my 256mb cf card ;( |
| 20:38:31 | nadav | CloudChaser: bah |
| 20:38:35 | oGMo | XavierXeon: lots of little things that could easily be done and aren't |
| 20:38:53 | XavierXeon | like ? |
| 20:38:54 | hardwire | hmm |
| 20:38:58 | oGMo | i mean, even a decent image viewer, or little database applet |
| 20:39:07 | oGMo | and those are the BASICS ;) |
| 20:39:08 | hardwire | I keep thinking.. if we ever go to war somewhere in space with some alien culture |
| 20:39:16 | hardwire | we could just export ethiopia on them |
| 20:39:36 | XavierXeon | we will kill them with fast food |
| 20:39:39 | oGMo | there's no real word processor, although what they should have is a decent gui-ish HTML editor and call that a word processor |
| 20:39:42 | oGMo | reuse functionality |
| 20:39:47 | endr | anybody recommend a replacement charger? Lost mine... |
| 20:39:54 | ljp | well, break out the editor, and start hackin! |
| 20:40:14 | oGMo | my hp49 has more apps :) |
| 20:40:34 | ljp | any url for a mod file ?? ;) |
| 20:40:36 | oGMo | ljp, done, trying to find all the stuff i need to build another gcc now |
| 20:40:46 | oGMo | ljp, google for mod files ;) |
| 20:40:55 | oGMo | there are like craptons out there |
| 20:41:11 | ljp | cmon... |
| 20:41:16 | ljp | gimme gimme |
| 20:41:33 | ljp | google schmoogle |
| 20:41:49 | CloudChaser | hmm i can see my card and contents in tkc explorer but in system info its not there |
| 20:42:09 | XavierXeon | CloudChaser: on the Z ? |
| 20:42:31 | CloudChaser | oh no i'm wrong |
| 20:42:39 | CloudChaser | i can see the sd card on the z |
| 20:42:49 | CloudChaser | cf i have "not available" |
| 20:43:00 | CloudChaser | i had a problem |
| 20:43:09 | CloudChaser | i put card in adapter and put it in linux laptop |
| 20:43:15 | CloudChaser | copied some music to it |
| 20:43:31 | CloudChaser | went to copy some more music to it and got 'out of space" message |
| 20:43:39 | CloudChaser | then i tried to unmount the card |
| 20:43:42 | CloudChaser | it was busy |
| 20:43:51 | CloudChaser | said gmc had it |
| 20:43:55 | CloudChaser | i killed gmc |
| 20:44:08 | CloudChaser | tried to unmount it again and it was busy |
| 20:44:15 | CloudChaser | so i had to reboot |
| 20:44:24 | CloudChaser | got all kinds of errors when shutting down |
| 20:44:24 | XavierXeon | CloudChaser: have you tried to reformat the card ? |
| 20:44:28 | CloudChaser | now.. nothing |
| 20:44:35 | CloudChaser | no |
| 20:44:51 | XavierXeon | you probaly messed uip the file system |
| 20:44:54 | CloudChaser | if i have to reformat it all the time its useless to me |
| 20:45:26 | BigBoss | oGmo: have you looked at www.thekompany.com/embedded? |
| 20:46:00 | XavierXeon | CloudChaser: if you take out the card without unmounting it you may destroy the superblocks on it |
| 20:46:17 | CloudChaser | me and linux are just not getting along |
| 20:46:23 | CloudChaser | problem is |
| 20:46:28 | CloudChaser | the ogg files are on linux |
| 20:46:30 | oGMo | BigBoss: i'm not paying for their crap ;) |
| 20:46:31 | CloudChaser | no usb set up |
| 20:46:42 | CloudChaser | coughs |
| 20:46:47 | oGMo | especially when i could hack up the equivalent (for the most part) in an hour |
| 20:46:51 | nadav | oGMo: BigBoss = tkc. No "their" |
| 20:47:03 | nadav | :P |
| 20:47:17 | XavierXeon | CloudChaser: is it a dual boot pc ? |
| 20:47:21 | CloudChaser | yes |
| 20:47:37 | oGMo | nadav: tkc is a company |
| 20:47:37 | oGMo | therefore it's a "they" ;) |
| 20:47:42 | XavierXeon | why not copy the oggs onto a windos partition ? |
| 20:47:56 | oGMo | BigBoss, well same deal then, i'm not paying $20 for something i could write in an hour ;) |
| 20:47:58 | CloudChaser | don't know how...i have ntfs on windows side |
| 20:48:04 | CloudChaser | so write it then |
| 20:48:15 | oGMo | although it LOOKS nice (from the screenshots) and most people wouldn't take the time, still. |
| 20:48:27 | CloudChaser | but insulting people isn't a good way to make friends and influence people |
| 20:48:34 | XavierXeon | do you have any "spare" partition which you could format FAT |
| 20:48:35 | oGMo | i have ... different interests, anyway |
| 20:49:15 | CloudChaser | XavierXeon: probly but i'm running out of time |
| 20:49:35 | Dilb_OV | CloudChaser: and your linux partition is formatted with ext2 or 3 ? |
| 20:49:36 | CloudChaser | maybe i could get samba running again real quick |
| 20:49:40 | CloudChaser | ext3 |
| 20:49:55 | Dilb_OV | try exploree2fs |
| 20:50:05 | CloudChaser | what does that do? |
| 20:50:22 | Dilb_OV | read a linux partition (ext2 or3) from windows |
| 20:50:34 | CloudChaser | ooh |
| 20:50:38 | CloudChaser | i didn't know you could do that |
| 20:50:39 | oGMo | CloudChaser: yeah, i know, but after seeing the way stuff went on the Palm platform ($30 for a simple app to do XYZ) i'm very unforgiving about that sort of thing. |
| 20:50:40 | oGMo | i don't mean any personal insult either |
| 20:51:12 | ljp | oGMo: you must be super coder if you think you can write a complete app in an hour |
| 20:51:46 | XavierXeon | can write a complete "Hello World" app in less than an hour |
| 20:52:21 | CloudChaser | oGMo: i wasn't referring to you doing that, i was referring to reading linux partition from windows |
| 20:53:10 | endr | anybody recommend a replacement charger for the zaurus? Lost mine... |
| 20:53:14 | BigBoss | oGMo: you have some reason for calling our stuff "crap"? |
| 20:53:17 | CloudChaser | you're free to do what ever you want but calling someone else's stuff "crap" is definitely a personal insult and some might not take too well to that in here |
| 20:53:36 | oGMo | ljp, meh. I've done Qt before, and I can hack together widgets to be an applet. The tkc stuff seems to be based off the existing code, and if it's not i can hack on that anyway... i don't see enough changes to warrant the charge. |
| 20:53:47 | oGMo | hack together a Qt app in no time, anyway, Qt/E can't be much worse |
| 20:53:55 | ljp | he may think its crap cause you want people to pay ~$10 for stuff |
| 20:54:03 | BigBoss | oGMo: you are insane then, but please spend 1 day and re-write all of our apps |
| 20:54:03 | XavierXeon | CloudChaser: http://uranus.it.swin.edu.au/~jn/linux/explore2fs.htm |
| 20:54:12 | ljp | hahahha.. sure... go ahead then |
| 20:54:15 | oGMo | BigBoss: i mean it as a general term, not as a description of quality ;) |
| 20:54:55 | BigBoss | do you honestly think if it was that easy, with all these other people coding for Qtopia, we would be the only ones with some of these apps? |
| 20:54:58 | CloudChaser | xavier can i copy the files to window partition with that? |
| 20:55:05 | BigBoss | or that we would have sold so many thousands of them? |
| 20:55:13 | oGMo | BigBoss: eh. The source for the existing applets is already there, and if you're so significantly different, you need to update your zaurus software index with better descriptions ;) |
| 20:55:33 | XavierXeon | CloudChaser: havent tried but the page says yes |
| 20:55:41 | BigBoss | we don't use the existing source, we can't since it is GPL. try reading and looking at them more |
| 20:55:50 | BigBoss | the differences are dramatic or we wouldn't have bothered |
| 20:56:17 | CloudChaser | XavierXeon: thanks i'll give it try |
| 20:56:42 | oGMo | BigBoss: i suggest investing a bit of time in your blurbs then ;) |
| 20:57:26 | oGMo | BigBoss: i look at one of yours on the ZSI for $20 and it lists nothing that i can't really do already with the builtins. I was considering some of them in combination with OZ, but ... i didn't see the difference from the description. |
| 20:57:56 | oGMo | especially since, like i said, i can code |
| 20:57:59 | BigBoss | well I can't hit you over the head and make you understand it |
| 20:58:14 | BigBoss | that's great you can code - spend a couple hundred hours instead of spending $20 |
| 20:58:46 | oGMo | BigBoss: i suggest listing features and including a few screenshots |
| 20:58:58 | msdina | oGMo: may be you can give some links for *your* app for us? |
| 21:00:45 | BigBoss | where are you looking? there are tons of screenshots and feature lists on our site |
| 21:01:01 | msdina | oGMo: if you can write one app by hours, then you must have many apps already |
| 21:01:09 | oGMo | msdina, i just got a zaurus last week. :) I'll write some crap soon enough though. I'm hoping to port my Unity project over eventually. |
| 21:01:26 | oGMo | "An improved 'Week Mode' and a new 'Year View' view is included, and an additional field for Events. Overall tkcCalendar is easier to use, with more options and a more sophisticated user interface." |
| 21:01:46 | oGMo | well, that's $8.95, which is fairly cheap, but that doesn't tell me anything at all |
| 21:01:46 | Rince | is still waiting for the ROM-Update for the german version :-( |
| 21:02:14 | XavierXeon | Rince: try the US version. works fine on a german Z |
| 21:02:25 | oGMo | improved how? easier and more sophisticated how? the screenshot included doesn't look significantly different that the builtin (althoug prettier and more colorful), and if i see a price i'm not too inclined to go hunting |
| 21:02:31 | msdina | oGMo: you don't need "more sophisticated user interface" or you want work from command line? |
| 21:03:03 | oGMo | msdina, soon enough |
| 21:03:04 | Rince | XavierXeon: Hmm, I was happy having all the i18ns... maybe I'll try |
| 21:03:21 | oGMo | msdina: ...? |
| 21:03:40 | oGMo | msdina: i'm just telling BigBoss the description should be more show and less tell ;) |
| 21:04:01 | nadav | Hm. |
| 21:04:07 | nadav | Are you sure you're looking at the tkc website? |
| 21:04:12 | oGMo | hang, lemme see |
| 21:04:35 | nadav | http://www.thekompany.com/embedded/tkccalendar/ |
| 21:04:48 | nadav | description, feature list, and screenshots |
| 21:04:53 | nadav | and user guide as well |
| 21:05:07 | oGMo | nadav: no, i'm looking at the Zaurus Software Index. I'm not inclined to click and investigate given the description and cost. |
| 21:05:17 | nadav | oh jeez |
| 21:05:26 | oGMo | nadav: i'm checking now though |
| 21:05:28 | nadav | you're not looking at the REAL description |
| 21:05:37 | ljp | ya.. you might hurt your index finger with all that clicking |
| 21:05:46 | nadav | the descriptions @ killefiz usually aren't complete |
| 21:05:47 | msdina | oGMo: before say anything, be sure what you know about what you want to speak |
| 21:06:05 | oGMo | features _i_ want include non-time events, single-happen events, day tags (holiday? someone's birthday? etc.) |
| 21:06:27 | oGMo | nadav: well then (like i'm saying) they need to put a better description up in the indexes |
| 21:06:30 | killefiz | nadav: feel free to complete the descriptions on all apps you care about ... |
| 21:06:51 | oGMo | msdina: i, uh, do |
| 21:07:14 | msdina | oGMo: what you do? |
| 21:07:35 | nadav | killefiz: Nah, they're fine with me. I like having a brief description.. then I can go to the official website and get more information |
| 21:08:12 | XavierXeon | who is Guest btw ? |
| 21:08:20 | nadav | shrugs |
| 21:10:54 | [DrEvil] | someone who didn't bother to change the default settings on tkcJabber |
| 21:11:31 | msdina | <[DrEvil]: it not from tkcJabber, it more like on WEB interface irc client |
| 21:12:04 | [DrEvil] | ahh |
| 21:12:10 | XavierXeon | i think tkcJabber has another server |
| 21:12:11 | [DrEvil] | it looked like the tkcJabber irc host thing |
| 21:12:47 | BigBoss | it's a default |
| 21:13:16 | XavierXeon | it is a tkcJabber server |
| 21:13:23 | BigBoss | tkcJabber isn't a server |
| 21:13:24 | msdina | <[DrEvil]oh, yes, you are right.. it's our server ;) |
| 21:13:27 | BigBoss | it's a client |
| 21:14:48 | nadav | omg |
| 21:14:51 | nadav | my isps are newbies |
| 21:15:19 | nadav | "Benefits of Bandwith:" |
| 21:16:36 | CloudChaser | XavierXeon: going to reboot into windows and try that out |
| 21:16:48 | XavierXeon | tell mw how it goes |
| 21:16:50 | ljp | notices that its really hot today |
| 21:16:57 | CloudChaser | will do |
| 21:17:02 | ljp | cloud: thats a nice app! |
| 21:17:14 | CloudChaser | is it? |
| 21:17:17 | CloudChaser | you've used it? |
| 21:17:27 | ljp | yes, I've used it before I went to resierfs |
| 21:17:42 | CloudChaser | whats resierfs? |
| 21:17:54 | XavierXeon | journaling file system |
| 21:17:58 | ljp | journaled file system, like ext3 |
| 21:18:21 | ljp | actually reiserfs |
| 21:18:36 | tux_mike | ljp: what app? |
| 21:18:43 | hardwire | I should make a raid wrapper for tape devices |
| 21:18:59 | hardwire | three 120 gig tapes with stripe |
| 21:19:01 | CloudChaser | ok back in a few.. |
| 21:19:02 | hardwire | that would be.. weird |
| 21:20:03 | ljp | woot! I have mod! |
| 21:20:50 | tux_mike | hardwire: better just to do mirrored tape backups |
| 21:20:53 | hardwire | I have.. stinky clothes |
| 21:21:07 | hardwire | tux_mike :P |
| 21:21:07 | ljp | tux: http://uranus.it.swin.edu.au/~jn/linux/explore2fs.htm |
| 21:21:13 | hardwire | that is an evil program |
| 21:21:31 | siriusnov | hey really |
| 21:21:38 | siriusnov | there should be ext3 on the Z |
| 21:21:39 | ljp | not as evil as this-> http://wwwcip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de/~sisihaus/stuff/konq.png |
| 21:21:40 | siriusnov | ;) |
| 21:22:08 | hardwire | that is funky |
| 21:22:25 | siriusnov | off to play StarWars Jedi Knight II Outcast |
| 21:22:38 | tux_mike | ljp: i've used too. what i'd like to see is a windows driver for reiserfs |
| 21:22:40 | hardwire | I am donig high quality rips of some anime |
| 21:22:44 | hardwire | cd recording some music |
| 21:22:51 | hardwire | testing wireless shit under umls |
| 21:23:01 | hardwire | and watching hitchcock on Oxygen |
| 21:23:05 | hardwire | my poor computer is busy |
| 21:23:21 | ljp | mine's at 97 degrees F |
| 21:23:35 | tux_mike | mine's cool to the touch |
| 21:23:58 | hardwire | mine iss.. I dunno |
| 21:24:03 | hardwire | I sohuld install the temp meter |
| 21:24:21 | ljp | mine got its pumps replaces for free a few months ago |
| 21:24:55 | hardwire | ljp would you happen to have Reason ? |
| 21:25:09 | tux_mike | pumps? |
| 21:25:12 | ljp | ummmm.. maybe.. |
| 21:25:21 | ljp | pumps for liquid |
| 21:25:29 | tux_mike | in a pc? |
| 21:25:39 | ljp | yep koolance |
| 21:25:52 | tux_mike | ... you scare me sometimes :) |
| 21:25:57 | hardwire | I want a large toggle on my computer |
| 21:26:03 | hardwire | I just like saying I have a large toggle |
| 21:26:07 | ljp | naaa.. its all enclosed |
| 21:26:48 | ljp | mods are like midi files.. kinda |
| 21:27:37 | hardwire | hehe |
| 21:27:37 | hardwire | mods |
| 21:27:41 | hardwire | I have a good mod |
| 21:27:44 | hardwire | its not done |
| 21:27:47 | Cloudchaser | XavierXeon: could you paste that link in here again? |
| 21:28:00 | hardwire | http://segfault.bogomip.com/metalcase.png |
| 21:28:05 | hardwire | soon I will have my machine in here |
| 21:28:15 | Cloudchaser | (switched to windows side) |
| 21:28:24 | ljp | twisted |
| 21:28:40 | ljp | hi cloud! winders, eh? |
| 21:28:50 | XavierXeon | http://uranus.it.swin.edu.au/~jn/linux/explore2fs.htm |
| 21:28:56 | Cloudchaser | yeah i'm having big problems with linux |
| 21:28:58 | Cloudchaser | runningout of time |
| 21:29:07 | Cloudchaser | thanks XavierXeon: |
| 21:29:08 | ljp | ahhh.. sorry to hear that |
| 21:29:20 | Cloudchaser | hosed up my 256 mb cf card bad |
| 21:29:24 | hardwire | Cloudchaser anything I can help with? |
| 21:29:49 | ljp | hmmm |
| 21:29:52 | Cloudchaser | i have ogg files on linux side, tried to copy them to cf, ran out of space |
| 21:30:15 | Cloudchaser | i killed the process holdin the card |
| 21:30:22 | Cloudchaser | but still couldn't unmount it |
| 21:30:37 | Cloudchaser | had to reboot, now i can't read my card |
| 21:31:00 | ljp | ahhh.. hmmmm |
| 21:31:10 | hardwire | punches the back of his head |
| 21:31:33 | Titan | Xavier: whats your page again? |
| 21:31:39 | ljp | I've had filesystem corruption so bad on a cf.. it was ugly.. recursive files structure |
| 21:31:48 | ljp | deep, deep, deep |
| 21:32:01 | XavierXeon | Titan: my home page ? |
| 21:32:06 | Titan | yeah |
| 21:32:14 | ljp | I had to reformat, and all was well |
| 21:32:24 | XavierXeon | http://home.arcor.de/xavierxeon/ |
| 21:32:27 | Titan | thanks |
| 21:32:34 | ljp | never seen etx2 do that recursive crap |
| 21:32:41 | ljp | err ext2 |
| 21:33:31 | Jerakeen | ext2 will let you hard-link directories if you're root... |
| 21:33:38 | XavierXeon | just got accused of being a geek at /. |
| 21:33:58 | nadav | XavierXeon: hm? |
| 21:35:31 | XavierXeon | nadav: i posted a reply to the PS3 article and someone replied to my post saying "you are all geeks" :) |
| 21:36:05 | nadav | hah |
| 21:36:40 | Cloudchaser | i don't consider being called a geek an insult ;) |
| 21:36:50 | XavierXeon | me neither |
| 21:37:09 | XavierXeon | i just think its funny on slashdot |
| 21:38:14 | hardwire | hithcock is crazy stuff |
| 21:40:38 | hardwire | thats a lie |
| 21:40:47 | hardwire | that story hasn't got a true word in it anywhere |
| 21:40:53 | hardwire | I HAVE NEVER STRANGLED A CHICKEN IN MY LIFE |
| 21:40:59 | warmi | hi |
| 21:41:03 | nadav | hey warmi |
| 21:41:40 | Cloudchaser | hiya warmi |
| 21:41:58 | warmi | Cloudchaser I was able to make it run twice as fast |
| 21:42:05 | Cloudchaser | wow |
| 21:42:09 | Cloudchaser | did the gba one work? |
| 21:42:14 | warmi | but still it is about only 70% speed of the real device |
| 21:42:37 | warmi | no, the ones you gave me were for advanced gameboy |
| 21:42:49 | warmi | but I found some on the net |
| 21:42:58 | Cloudchaser | couldn't make them work then? :( |
| 21:43:04 | warmi | yeah |
| 21:43:13 | W|GGL|T | PS3? |
| 21:43:22 | warmi | well, they will not work no matter what you do |
| 21:43:24 | warmi | hehe |
| 21:43:27 | warmi | not on this emulator |
| 21:43:32 | warmi | W|GGL|T hehehe |
| 21:43:48 | warmi | Playstation 2 on the Zaurus :-) |
| 21:43:56 | W|GGL|T | ahh |
| 21:43:59 | warmi | no .. I am talking about GameBoy emulator |
| 21:44:25 | W|GGL|T | re ahh |
| 21:44:32 | Cloudchaser | i have a gba emulator...can you port that to z? |
| 21:44:44 | XavierXeon | W|GGL|T: PlayStation 3. see the slashdot article for details |
| 21:45:01 | warmi | CloudChaser what is it called ? |
| 21:45:04 | W|GGL|T | i hate slashdot...buncha morons there |
| 21:45:15 | warmi | brb |
| 21:45:20 | W|GGL|T | XavierXeon: thanks...will take a look |
| 21:45:23 | Cloudchaser | just a sec warmi i'll look |
| 21:47:03 | W|GGL|T | linksys routers are stackable, right? |
| 21:47:45 | ljp | sure.. I have a stack of broken ones |
| 21:49:10 | W|GGL|T | will have a stack of WORKING ones after tomorrow |
| 21:50:08 | Cloudchaser | wow XavierXeon: |
| 21:50:13 | Cloudchaser | this is great so far |
| 21:50:16 | Cloudchaser | its one file |
| 21:50:22 | Cloudchaser | rune the exe and voila |
| 21:50:29 | Cloudchaser | there's my linux partition |
| 21:50:51 | Cloudchaser | drag over my songs...so far so good |
| 21:51:16 | Cloudchaser | the write access thing though..isn't copying files over considered "writing" |
| 21:51:20 | Cloudchaser | ? |
| 21:51:37 | W|GGL|T | yep |
| 21:51:51 | XavierXeon | you do not manipulate the HD when reading |
| 21:52:22 | Cloudchaser | you use the write support you run the risk of losing your filesystem, which depending on how your system is set up, the ability to boot other OS's (ie Windows). The default read only support is safe to use. |
| 21:52:39 | Cloudchaser | what good is read only? |
| 21:52:55 | Cloudchaser | i need the files off the linux side to move over to the windows side |
| 21:53:01 | XavierXeon | well you can copy stuff from linux to windows |
| 21:53:12 | W|GGL|T | copying files is using a copy of a file or files and writing that copy to another area, no? |
| 21:53:14 | Cloudchaser | i thought maybe it meant i can't write to the files |
| 21:53:30 | Cloudchaser | which is ok |
| 21:53:42 | Cloudchaser | i don't want to write to them, |
| 21:53:48 | Cloudchaser | i want to write to my hd though :) |
| 21:54:15 | XavierXeon | you can still write to you windows partition |
| 21:54:28 | Cloudchaser | ok from the web site it sounds like he wrote teh program to do just what i'm trying to do |
| 21:54:36 | Cloudchaser | get the files from linux partition to windows partition |
| 21:54:39 | Cloudchaser | so i should be fine ;) |
| 21:54:46 | ljp | yeppers |
| 21:54:56 | W|GGL|T | what program is this? |
| 21:55:04 | Cloudchaser | explore2fs |
| 21:55:05 | XavierXeon | http://uranus.it.swin.edu.au/~jn/linux/explore2fs.htm |
| 21:55:08 | W|GGL|T | ahhh |
| 21:55:12 | W|GGL|T | ive used that one |
| 21:55:14 | Cloudchaser | thanks XavierXeon! |
| 21:55:22 | XavierXeon | no prob |
| 21:55:27 | Cloudchaser | hands XavierXeon the Tip of the Day Award :) |
| 21:55:48 | XavierXeon | takes the award and goes to bed |
| 21:55:54 | Dilb_OV | thanks a lot to forget me :p |
| 21:55:55 | XavierXeon | 1 am |
| 21:55:57 | Dilb_OV | :) |
| 21:56:12 | Cloudchaser | aw no |
| 21:56:25 | Cloudchaser | hands Dilb_OV the Award too |
| 21:56:26 | Cloudchaser | ;) |
| 21:57:11 | XavierXeon | Dilb_OV: rember : live is crual and unfair :) |
| 21:57:31 | Cloudchaser | actually if i could give you all a prize.. i would ;) |
| 22:00:59 | darienm | Cloudchaser: did rekall script work for you? |
| 22:01:07 | Cloudchaser | i didn't try it yet.. |
| 22:01:10 | ljp | what prize do I get? |
| 22:01:12 | nadav | Ok, off to sleep |
| 22:01:21 | Cloudchaser | been busy getting ready to go on trip and hosed up my CF card |
| 22:01:27 | nadav | cya |
| 22:02:14 | Cloudchaser | ljp: you get the good sport award and patience of a saint award |
| 22:02:21 | Cloudchaser | :) |
| 22:02:35 | ljp | I guess I get the dunce awars for trying to help you with that and not suceeding |
| 22:02:44 | Cloudchaser | nonon |
| 22:02:51 | Cloudchaser | you help me tons.. |
| 22:02:53 | Cloudchaser | :) |
| 22:02:58 | ljp | yepyepyep |
| 22:03:07 | Dilb_OV | tons :) |
| 22:03:21 | ljp | just added modplayerplugin to opie |
| 22:05:04 | Mickey| | ljp: good work. based on arts-modplug? |
| 22:07:02 | ljp | no.. actually, its some code I was given from a kde guy.. |
| 22:07:22 | ljp | all I had to do is a few things to make it compile. and get it ready for opie |
| 22:07:46 | Mickey| | cute. then i can stop my mikmod-based modplugin. |
| 22:08:17 | Mickey| | btw, i had problems getting the opieplayer to work on x86. do you have any idea why it won't play? the play button is pressed but no sound and nothing appears. |
| 22:09:51 | ljp | hmm. sounds like the sound driver may not be right |
| 22:11:37 | Mickey| | strange. all other sounds, like for instance the "stylus" tapping sound works. only the mediaplayer won't play. |
| 22:11:51 | ljp | hmmm |
| 22:13:23 | ljp | odd.. it works fine here |
| 22:14:35 | Mickey| | ok - then it must be my systems here. i tried two different laptops... will try on monday on my desktop. It's hard to write a plugin when the host application doesn't run :)) |
| 22:16:01 | ljp | ya, I didnt know there was a mod plugin already, otherwise I owuld have told you |
| 22:18:33 | Mickey| | ljp: don't worry... i learned a bit about streaming media in the past few days. when the opie-modplayer didn't run on my system i wrote a small stand-alone modplayer for the zaurus - featuring voice visualization. don't know if i will distribute it now that we have the plugin. |
| 22:25:53 | mdz | where is the source code for the stuff at sourceforge.net/zaurus? |
| 22:26:17 | ljp | you'd have to ask kergoth |
| 22:26:17 | mdz | (specifically the xfree86/touchscreen stuff) |
| 22:27:12 | ljp | kernel code is from SHarp's site |
| 22:27:26 | | darienm: huh? |
| 22:27:26 | darienm | ibot darien |
| 22:27:30 | mdz | yes, I have that |
| 22:27:34 | ljp | mostly oz is based on familiar |
| 22:27:47 | | OK, darienm. |
| 22:27:47 | darienm | ibot darien is Darien Kruss, author of Zaurus Geek website at http://zaurus.kruss.com/ |
| 22:27:58 | | OK, darienm. |
| 22:27:58 | darienm | ibot darienm is Darien Kruss, author of Zaurus Geek website at http://zaurus.kruss.com/ |
| 22:28:05 | mdz | there is an xfree86 package which contains Xfbdev (which comes from the XFree86 sources) and some touch screen stuff (ztsd and a calibration utility), those two I would like to find the source |
| 22:28:53 | Cloudchaser | ok does anyone here know which is the lowest bit rate i can use for ripping ogg that won't sound like garbage? |
| 22:29:11 | Cloudchaser | apparently at 96 you don't get too many songs on 256mb CF card :( |
| 22:32:56 | ljp | I dont have experience with oogs |
| 22:34:09 | Cloudchaser | how bout with mp3? |
| 22:34:12 | Cloudchaser | must be similar? |
| 22:34:33 | mdz | ogg vorbis is actually supposed to scale better to low bitrates |
| 22:34:42 | Cloudchaser | how low can i go? |
| 22:34:49 | Cloudchaser | and still have them sound ok? |
| 22:35:05 | mdz | the quality is probably not good enough for music at lower bitrates, though |
| 22:35:14 | mdz | you might be able to tolerate 64 |
| 22:38:31 | Cloudchaser | oh man.. i can't even format my cf card :( |
| 22:39:25 | Cloudchaser | i get this: Error in IOCTL call. |
| 22:39:44 | Cloudchaser | i'm leaving tomorrow for my vacation :( |
| 22:39:54 | Cloudchaser | and i killed my card |
| 22:40:24 | ljp | when you try to play? or encode? |
| 22:40:43 | Cloudchaser | no ljp i can't even get my card to work |
| 22:40:55 | Cloudchaser | i got the ogg from linux to windows side |
| 22:40:55 | Cloudchaser | someone said to format my card |
| 22:40:55 | Cloudchaser | it won't format |
| 22:41:42 | ljp | in a card reader in windows? |
| 22:41:46 | Cloudchaser | yes |
| 22:42:19 | ljp | you can format it from the Zaurus.. but you have to umount it first |
| 22:42:36 | Cloudchaser | i can? |
| 22:42:46 | ljp | yes. |
| 22:43:38 | ljp | sd or cf? |
| 22:43:53 | Cloudchaser | CF |
| 22:44:21 | ljp | unmount it by running umount /mnt/cf |
| 22:45:35 | ljp | did that work? |
| 22:45:44 | Cloudchaser | sec i had to take out wireless |
| 22:47:06 | Cloudchaser | invalid argument |
| 22:47:33 | ljp | is it mounted? |
| 22:47:44 | Cloudchaser | hang on.. i need to back up |
| 22:48:12 | ljp | you might be able to just check the file system. lets try that first |
| 22:49:18 | Cloudchaser | ok i type mount at prompt |
| 22:51:29 | Cloudchaser | i see /dev/mmcda1 |
| 22:51:34 | Cloudchaser | thats sd card right? |
| 22:51:43 | tux_mike | argh |
| 22:51:47 | ljp | yes |
| 22:51:57 | tux_mike | i hate it when i go and redesign something in my code |
| 22:52:05 | Cloudchaser | i don't see the cf card |
| 22:52:45 | ljp | ok.. do this: dosfsck -vy /dev/hda1 |
| 22:52:59 | Cloudchaser | hda1 is cf? |
| 22:53:04 | ljp | yes |
| 22:53:28 | hardwire | can you guys reach http://www.scionindustries.com |
| 22:53:53 | tux_mike | wharider: yes |
| 22:54:12 | Rince | not via ping |
| 22:54:28 | hardwire | naw by web |
| 22:54:31 | Rince | HTTP/1.1 200 OK |
| 22:54:31 | Rince | Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 00:00:27 GMT |
| 22:54:31 | Rince | Server: Apache/1.3.26 (Unix) Debian GNU/Linux PHP/4.2.1 |
| 22:54:34 | Rince | works too |
| 22:54:37 | ljp | Looking up hostname |
| 22:54:40 | Rince | but I hate people blocking icmp |
| 22:54:46 | ljp | yep got through |
| 22:54:50 | hardwire | Rince: you will live.. right? |
| 22:54:54 | hardwire | ok |
| 22:54:54 | hardwire | thanks guys |
| 22:55:06 | hardwire | responds to the owner saying.. uh.. it works dude.. what are you smoking? |
| 22:55:07 | tux_mike | rince: blocking ICMP ping is smart, prevents ping of death attacks |
| 22:55:11 | Rince | hardwire: it doesn't make sense to block it. It just makes the network less stable |
| 22:55:28 | Rince | tux_mike: it is bullshit, since icmp has a function which gets destroyed if you block it. |
| 22:55:30 | ljp | cloud: any errors? |
| 22:56:02 | tux_mike | what function would that be? |
| 22:56:12 | hardwire | Rince I am not in charge of it.. so buzz off :P |
| 22:56:21 | tux_mike | besides checking host status, which can be done on other levels |
| 22:56:26 | Cloudchaser | it says dosfsck 2.8 (20 Feb2001) |
| 22:56:32 | Rince | tux_mike: but that's what icmp is for |
| 22:57:03 | ljp | did you run that exact command? |
| 22:57:06 | Cloudchaser | dosfsck 2.8 20 Feb 2001, FAT32, LFN |
| 22:57:07 | tux_mike | but there have been so many ICMP based attacks. why leave yourself open to the chance? |
| 22:57:07 | Rince | tux_mike: and of course you can not prevent such attacks just by bloicking icmp. Take a real OS and you don't have that problem - or use security fixes if you are stuck to the other OS |
| 22:57:29 | Cloudchaser | Got 0 bytes instead of 512 at 0 |
| 22:57:32 | tux_mike | rince: it'll prevent it if you use a hardware firewall |
| 22:57:35 | Rince | tux_mike: because it doesn't help? If there is no way to reach you via icmp to attack, they will just flood your connectino |
| 22:58:19 | tux_mike | rince: then you counter with trafic shaping |
| 22:58:54 | | I haven't seen 'netam', darienm |
| 22:58:54 | darienm | ibot seen netam |
| 22:58:56 | | netamp was last seen on #zaurus 5 hours, 17 minutes and 44 seconds ago, saying: heeeeeeeerrres Johnny! [Sat Jul 20 18:41:12 2002] |
| 22:58:56 | darienm | ibot seen netamp |
| 22:58:59 | Rince | tux_mike: so you have control over the router on the _other_ side of the connection? |
| 22:59:25 | tux_mike | have the ISP do it. many are now putting smarter polocies on their routers. |
| 22:59:42 | Rince | tux_mike: what do you call "smarter"? |
| 22:59:52 | Rince | I don't call blocking icmp smart |
| 23:00:00 | tux_mike | i do |
| 23:00:02 | Rince | I call rate-limiting smart. But this is very cpu-intensive |
| 23:00:40 | tux_mike | also watching traffic to see if someone is trying to DoS you, and preventing that by dropping packets before the pipe narrows down. |
| 23:00:44 | Rince | blocking icmp completely shows that you don't care about the network and the stability. Good people would. |
| 23:01:05 | tux_mike | why does someone need to ping my server? |
| 23:01:16 | tux_mike | hrm? |
| 23:02:59 | Rince | tux_mike: because he maybe wants to see wether the server is reachable? |
| 23:03:15 | Rince | wether it makes sense to try to establish a TCP-Connection? |
| 23:03:38 | Dilb_OV | bye |
| 23:03:56 | tux_mike | well, my server is a public web server. why not just attempt the tcp connection. why go through the extra step of seing if the host is up |
| 23:04:40 | W|GGL|T | i'll ping a random host if i suspect there's a connection problem |
| 23:05:00 | W|GGL|T | many people use ping as a diagnostic tool |
| 23:05:03 | tux_mike | why not traceroute? that's more reliable |
| 23:05:11 | Rince | tux_mike: because this is not what tcp is for. |
| 23:05:37 | Rince | tcp is for establishing a connection _when_ it is possible to establish. To check _wether_ it's possible, that's one of the purposes of icmp |
| 23:06:11 | W|GGL|T | if it won't receive a ping, there's no need to traceroute |
| 23:06:18 | tux_mike | nothing does things that way |
| 23:06:40 | tux_mike | W|GGL|T: traceroute will tell you where the connectivity problem lies |
| 23:06:52 | W|GGL|T | not if the connect is dead |
| 23:07:30 | W|GGL|T | well, you'll get no response from the server |
| 23:07:44 | W|GGL|T | the rest of the hops, yeah |
| 23:07:50 | W|GGL|T | brb |
| 23:08:06 | tux_mike | i block it because i use highly paranoid filtering rules |
| 23:08:33 | Rince | without knowing what it means I guess? |
| 23:08:56 | tux_mike | no one has any problems using my server. |
| 23:09:09 | tux_mike | for the legitamate services i have as open |
| 23:09:20 | Rince | so you should do too with icmp |
| 23:09:53 | tux_mike | i don't need the added risk of opening ping for the little good it will do. |
| 23:15:00 | ljp | I like ping pong, does that count? |
| 23:15:25 | tux_mike | yes. i must block your ping |
| 23:15:29 | tux_mike | you only get poing |
| 23:15:32 | tux_mike | pongh |
| 23:15:35 | tux_mike | pong |
| 23:15:37 | tux_mike | >< |
| 23:20:39 | Speedy2 | Can you deny ping if you get > x pings/second ? |
| 23:20:52 | Speedy2 | i.e. allow yourself to be pinged, but not ping-flooded |
| 23:21:00 | ljp | chinese are really good at ping pong |
| 23:21:55 | Rince | Speedy2: that's called rate-limit :-) |
| 23:23:39 | W|GGL|T | knew some of chinese descent that played crappy ping pong...that's like saying black people are good at basketball |
| 23:24:34 | ljp | black people isnt a nationality tho |
| 23:24:58 | W|GGL|T | its a race, but what you're hinting at is semantics |
| 23:25:21 | ljp | no, nationality is not semantics |
| 23:26:01 | ljp | americans are good at being fat |
| 23:26:32 | W|GGL|T | most of my family are thin |
| 23:27:04 | hardwire | fat semantic assholes |
| 23:27:30 | W|GGL|T | and my wife's too....im just saying that your ping pong comment borders on ignorance, regardless of what you refer to as race or nationality |
| 23:28:41 | Speedy2 | Rince: Ok... |
| 23:29:15 | ljp | Germans are good a soccer |
| 23:29:23 | ljp | is that semantics? |
| 23:29:56 | W|GGL|T | no, THAT'S ignorance :o) |
| 23:29:56 | Rince | good at soccer do you mean? |
| 23:30:06 | ljp | ha |
| 23:30:28 | W|GGL|T | because im sure that not ALL are good at soccer...just what you see when you watch FIFA |
| 23:30:45 | Speedy2 | Not all Indians are good at tennis, playing the sitar, the piano or the violin |
| 23:31:00 | ljp | I didnt say all Germans |
| 23:31:13 | Speedy2 | But...there are a lot of nice looking Swedish women :) |
| 23:31:29 | ljp | saying all German are good at soccer would be ignorant and stereotyping |
| 23:31:30 | Speedy2 | As far as generalizatons about race/country people goes |
| 23:31:33 | Rince | doesn't care for soccer and was happy when everything was finished |
| 23:32:44 | W|GGL|T | im sure if someone of chinese background heard someone tell them that chinese are good at ping pong, they'd be a bit angry |
| 23:33:17 | ljp | ha. or maybe they'd laugh |
| 23:33:58 | W|GGL|T | dunno about that...even i got slightly offended |
| 23:34:22 | W|GGL|T | that's why its just cool to leave topics like that alone |
| 23:35:39 | ljp | should bewell. I'm not offended that AMericans are fat |
| 23:37:33 | W|GGL|T | whatever |
| 23:42:16 | | i think feed is a package repository or http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds or http://www.zauruszone.com/feed/ or http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/ for OpenZaurus |
| 23:42:16 | ljp | ibot: feed |
