| 00:00:40 | cxm | was he trapped by his airbag or something? :p |
| 00:01:00 | ljp | I was driving and he was pulling out into the part where you drive around the shopping mall.. bam! |
| 00:01:03 | ljp | didnt even see me |
| 00:01:16 | cxm | ohh |
| 00:02:48 | ljp | but hey.. its been a bad week anyway.. so why not just wreck my car |
| 00:03:13 | cxm | what else has gone wrong? |
| 00:03:43 | ljp | custody crapola |
| 00:04:04 | cxm | oh |
| 00:05:32 | cxm | cheer up mate, write some code it's more predictable than real world stuff. Works for me. |
| 00:06:15 | ljp | heheh true |
| 00:07:22 | ljp | coul dbe worse, of course.. I could be laying on a gurney somewhere |
| 00:08:41 | BigBoss | http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/news/editorial/3604644.htm |
| 00:08:50 | BigBoss | doesn't do you any good now, but there is some serious wisdom there |
| 00:09:06 | BigBoss | no offense to anyone in here, but feminists are really messing things up for the rest of us |
| 00:09:24 | Cloudchaser_ | ummm |
| 00:11:08 | ljp | hehehe |
| 00:11:51 | ljp | no, it's laws that presume women make better parents |
| 00:11:57 | BigBoss | I can't tell you how many people I know that say they will never hire enough people to qualify for EE standards |
| 00:12:16 | BigBoss | it is 98% fine with women, but you get that 2% and you are screwed |
| 00:12:21 | cxm | I can't agree with the article... their 8 year/50% assumption is too gloomy |
| 00:12:33 | BigBoss | men are sperm donors for too many people |
| 00:13:00 | BigBoss | i have a lesbian cousin. Her and her girl friend drew straws to see which one would go to a bar, and get laid to get pregnant so they could have a kid |
| 00:13:09 | BigBoss | dads are importan dammit |
| 00:13:25 | fusion94 | um |
| 00:13:27 | BigBoss | i love my kids, I spend a huge amount of time with them. I treasure every moment with them |
| 00:13:37 | fusion94 | BigBoss: they still looking ? |
| 00:13:38 | BigBoss | sorry fusion, I know you are in San Francisco :) |
| 00:13:40 | fusion94 | runs |
| 00:13:50 | cxm | lol |
| 00:14:13 | fusion94 | and pretty much married |
| 00:14:17 | cxm | surely they should choose the partner with the best genes to be the biological parent |
| 00:14:29 | ljp | BigBoss: your lucky |
| 00:14:34 | BigBoss | and bar's provide it |
| 00:14:50 | BigBoss | my marriage has been on the rocks for 9 years, but we barely manage to keep it together |
| 00:14:51 | cxm | (as in the female partner with the best genes) |
| 00:15:07 | BigBoss | I've got like 7 parents, and I don't want my kids to deal with that |
| 00:15:55 | ljp | I cant imagine being married for 50 years |
| 00:16:03 | codemnky | greetings |
| 00:16:08 | codemnky | earthlings |
| 00:16:09 | fusion94 | ljp: not to the same woman at least |
| 00:16:20 | cxm | I'm married now, been together for >10 years, can't imagine being not married |
| 00:16:28 | BigBoss | men and women are fundamentally different - if you can both accept that then you are fine :) |
| 00:16:43 | cxm | then again, people re-marry... I can't imagine things not working then trying again |
| 00:16:43 | BigBoss | I don't care what NOW says about it. I like women because they aren't men :) |
| 00:16:53 | fusion94 | BigBoss: agreed |
| 00:17:11 | ljp | ditto.. men are asses. |
| 00:17:27 | ljp | :D |
| 00:17:36 | BigBoss | women are far more subtle than men. Men you have to hit in the head and we are basically pigs, but you can train us :) |
| 00:17:49 | BigBoss | women have levels of intrique that would defy a James Bond film :) |
| 00:17:57 | codemnky | so we're not talking about zaurus stuff huh |
| 00:18:14 | codemnky | i'm married count me in |
| 00:18:19 | ljp | nope this is the woh-man channel |
| 00:18:31 | BigBoss | So I Married an Axe Murderer |
| 00:18:37 | codemnky | i finailly met someone who will put up with my $#@! |
| 00:18:40 | BigBoss | very funny as long as you were at his parents house :) |
| 00:18:43 | zappin | Has anyone got QPose to work? |
| 00:19:07 | BigBoss | lots of people |
| 00:19:07 | codemnky | i have'nt zap |
| 00:19:13 | BigBoss | except for you two : |
| 00:19:15 | BigBoss | ) |
| 00:19:16 | codemnky | i have'nt tried though |
| 00:19:28 | cxm | I don't have a palm to rip the rom from |
| 00:19:28 | BigBoss | bitch :) |
| 00:19:28 | codemnky | what's QPose |
| 00:19:32 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 00:19:34 | BigBoss | Palm emulator |
| 00:19:36 | codemnky | oh |
| 00:19:48 | codemnky | why in the hell would you want to emulate palm os? |
| 00:19:49 | BigBoss | one of my guys ported and released it on his own time |
| 00:19:51 | W|GGL|T | has a VDX rom somewhere |
| 00:19:57 | BigBoss | for specific palm apps |
| 00:20:00 | W|GGL|T | not like im gonna try QPose tho |
| 00:20:01 | codemnky | i'm joking |
| 00:20:20 | codemnky | i run a windows emulator on my palm just so it crashes ever now and then |
| 00:20:26 | codemnky | my zaurus i meant |
| 00:20:37 | W|GGL|T | hehe |
| 00:20:57 | BigBoss | yea, a day without a BSOD is like a day without porn |
| 00:21:01 | cxm | is it usable, or is it like a 'piece of shit emulator'? |
| 00:21:13 | cxm | I have never used a palm |
| 00:21:13 | W|GGL|T | hasn't seen any BSOD since he switched to XP |
| 00:21:27 | codemnky | then don't start |
| 00:21:44 | W|GGL|T | dont start what? |
| 00:21:49 | codemnky | using palm |
| 00:22:01 | codemnky | evil empire |
| 00:22:02 | cxm | why, is it habit forming? ;-) |
| 00:22:05 | W|GGL|T | huh? |
| 00:22:10 | W|GGL|T | you lost me |
| 00:22:10 | codemnky | i'm joking |
| 00:22:21 | kergoth | ljp: sync doesnt work? |
| 00:22:35 | codemnky | you had me with huh? |
| 00:22:36 | kergoth | ljp: wtf happened? |
| 00:22:37 | W|GGL|T | cxm: QPose is buggy as hell...more people trying to get it work than having it actually working |
| 00:22:50 | codemnky | :P |
| 00:23:02 | zappin | yeah |
| 00:23:10 | W|GGL|T | codemnky: actually, you lost me awhile back |
| 00:23:10 | W|GGL|T | heh |
| 00:23:15 | cxm | OK... so just buy a big case for the Z and slip a m505 in the front pocket or something |
| 00:23:20 | codemnky | i was talking to cxm |
| 00:23:36 | W|GGL|T | kinda hard to tell |
| 00:23:44 | codemnky | i got a nice bodyglove case for my Z |
| 00:23:48 | codemnky | fits very nice |
| 00:23:50 | W|GGL|T | cxm: or just use your Z |
| 00:23:53 | zappin | I need a case for my Z |
| 00:24:00 | W|GGL|T | hardly uses his Visor anymore |
| 00:24:09 | codemnky | except the part that sticks out a bit |
| 00:24:09 | cxm | W|GGL|T..yeah I wasn't being serious |
| 00:24:11 | W|GGL|T | just bought a nice case for the Z |
| 00:24:17 | zappin | W|GGL|T what type Visor do you have? |
| 00:24:24 | W|GGL|T | deluxe |
| 00:24:31 | zappin | oh |
| 00:24:38 | codemnky | with gold trim? |
| 00:24:41 | W|GGL|T | i just use it for ebooks now |
| 00:24:48 | BigBoss | I got a great link for cool cases on the Z |
| 00:24:54 | cxm | go on BigBoss |
| 00:25:01 | zappin | is that the one with the 8MB ram? |
| 00:25:15 | W|GGL|T | BigBoss: i bought mine from http://www.pielframa.com |
| 00:25:17 | BigBoss | http://www.pielframa.com/Sharp.Zaurus.htm |
| 00:25:19 | W|GGL|T | zappin: yeah |
| 00:25:21 | BigBoss | same place |
| 00:25:22 | W|GGL|T | LOL |
| 00:25:25 | W|GGL|T | yeah |
| 00:25:32 | W|GGL|T | i got mine yesterday |
| 00:25:32 | BigBoss | perfect case |
| 00:25:37 | W|GGL|T | its very nice |
| 00:26:00 | codemnky | nice |
| 00:26:31 | W|GGL|T | couldn't find any faults with it...well, there's the fact that you can't remove the stylus unless you open the case but that's prolly a protective measure |
| 00:26:38 | zappin | W|GGL|T how many PDAs do you have? |
| 00:26:42 | codemnky | holy cow |
| 00:26:42 | W|GGL|T | 3 |
| 00:26:44 | codemnky | http://www.pielframa.com/order/Elija%20su%20modelo%20AMERICA.htm |
| 00:26:49 | zappin | what's the other? |
| 00:26:59 | W|GGL|T | Agenda VR3 |
| 00:27:04 | zappin | oh |
| 00:27:10 | cdm2 | evening! |
| 00:27:20 | W|GGL|T | zappin: i hardly use that one tho |
| 00:27:24 | zappin | oh |
| 00:27:25 | | Speedy2 was last seen on #zaurus 1 hours, 59 minutes and 27 seconds ago, saying: hah [Wed Jul 17 23:27:58 2002] |
| 00:27:25 | cdm | ibot: seen Speedy2 |
| 00:27:28 | W|GGL|T | its slow as all hell |
| 00:27:30 | cdm | drat. |
| 00:27:36 | zappin | I have a m100, visor deluxe, and the Z |
| 00:27:44 | cxm | W|GGL|T I'm working on it :) |
| 00:27:59 | zappin | and a TI-83+ and TI-89 |
| 00:28:05 | W|GGL|T | i almost bought an m100, but didn't like how small the screen was |
| 00:28:16 | W|GGL|T | cxm: you working on an Agenda? |
| 00:28:17 | zappin | yeah the screen is tiny |
| 00:28:28 | W|GGL|T | well, m105 |
| 00:28:30 | cxm | < Psion 3a, Psion 3mx, Agenda VR3 x2, Zaurus (dev) |
| 00:28:39 | cxm | W|GGL|T yes on and off |
| 00:28:40 | codemnky | $65 bucks! |
| 00:28:42 | codemnky | man |
| 00:28:55 | W|GGL|T | cxm: you have VR3D and VR3 consumer? |
| 00:29:02 | codemnky | better use the wife's credit card for this one |
| 00:29:26 | zappin | I wish I had a woman |
| 00:29:29 | cxm | W|GGL|T I have a rev-9 developer edition (ie. late developer) and a rev-11 developer (ie. same as consumer edition) |
| 00:29:35 | W|GGL|T | ive a consumer and developer ... the consumer worked for 12 hrs before dying |
| 00:29:41 | W|GGL|T | cxm: ahh |
| 00:29:50 | BigBoss | did Agenda finally go out of business? |
| 00:29:59 | W|GGL|T | ive still got the consumer model...gonna switch cases with the developer |
| 00:30:01 | W|GGL|T | BigBoss: yeah |
| 00:30:12 | cxm | sorry to hear it W|GGL|T - they were v cheap so had some build quality problems. But if you got a good one it tended to last |
| 00:30:25 | W|GGL|T | BigBoss: there's another company that is still manufacturing VR3s tho |
| 00:30:29 | codemnky | consumer modle of the Z? |
| 00:30:30 | W|GGL|T | www.softfield.com |
| 00:30:41 | codemnky | wiggle |
| 00:30:42 | W|GGL|T | codemnky: of the VR3 |
| 00:30:50 | codemnky | what's a vr3 |
| 00:30:57 | codemnky | visor? |
| 00:31:01 | W|GGL|T | another linux pda |
| 00:31:04 | W|GGL|T | one of the first |
| 00:31:08 | codemnky | have a picture of it? |
| 00:31:10 | BigBoss | why in the name of all that is holy would someone buy up the VR3? |
| 00:31:12 | W|GGL|T | actually, the first |
| 00:31:12 | codemnky | oh |
| 00:31:15 | codemnky | is it good? |
| 00:31:17 | cxm | there is a steady trickle of subscribers onto my vr3 mailing list, and my vr3 website still gets 50k hits a month or so |
| 00:31:23 | W|GGL|T | http://www.wigglit.com/pda.html |
| 00:32:07 | codemnky | nice background |
| 00:32:13 | cxm | BigBoss softfield did the hardware design - so when AC went bust they had some parts left, and decided to chuck them together and sell them for just over $100 a piece |
| 00:32:24 | W|GGL|T | BigBoss: the softfield guys helped develop the hardware and when Agenda went belly-up, they still owed softfield money so they gave them the rights |
| 00:32:36 | BigBoss | well as long as they are not going to die in 12 hours, it's a good deal |
| 00:32:42 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 00:32:50 | cxm | actually they make cheap remote controls |
| 00:32:51 | codemnky | where do i get one of these |
| 00:32:54 | codemnky | http://www.wigglit.com/images/zscreens/jessica_alba_linuxchick2.jpg |
| 00:33:03 | W|GGL|T | BigBoss: they are selling memory upgrades and rechargeable batteries with it too |
| 00:33:09 | W|GGL|T | codemnky: hehehe |
| 00:33:24 | codemnky | i'd like to update her rom |
| 00:33:30 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 00:33:36 | BigBoss | mmm Jessic Alba - where will we see her without Dark Angel? |
| 00:33:42 | W|GGL|T | funny...she never looked like that in Dark Angel :o) |
| 00:33:57 | codemnky | i didn;t even know it was her |
| 00:33:58 | cxm | piel frama should take paypal |
| 00:34:28 | BigBoss | well you can hope she doesn't get work for a while and turns to, ummm, adult entertainment :) |
| 00:34:43 | BigBoss | I've got a guy supposedly selling for Piel Frama in the states for less |
| 00:34:49 | codemnky | eh |
| 00:34:50 | codemnky | heh |
| 00:35:00 | BigBoss | www.silverslider.biz |
| 00:35:10 | BigBoss | it may not be on his site, but send him an email |
| 00:35:27 | codemnky | interesting |
| 00:35:39 | cxm | I'm still trying to figure out how much -E 65 is in real money |
| 00:35:49 | codemnky | i have this for sale: |
| 00:35:51 | codemnky | http://www.oddabon.com/chad/radioshack.jpg |
| 00:36:26 | codemnky | only $8499 |
| 00:36:53 | treke|home | Monitor and mouse not included |
| 00:37:02 | codemnky | hehe |
| 00:37:05 | cxm | lol, a vr3 is faster (twice as fast) |
| 00:37:11 | codemnky | that's at least another $1000 |
| 00:37:41 | treke|home | impressive, 256000 colors? thats pretty good for 1989 |
| 00:38:40 | codemnky | i would normally not show you this, here's me in the office |
| 00:39:02 | codemnky | http://www.oddabon.com/chad/c64.jpg |
| 00:39:40 | cxm | hehe |
| 00:40:23 | codemnky | i think was 83 |
| 00:40:54 | cxm | (someone else just joined the vr3 list) |
| 00:41:30 | W|GGL|T | i suppose i should |
| 00:41:43 | Cloudchaser_ | hey anyone know what that ramdisk program is? |
| 00:41:52 | W|GGL|T | although i hardly even mess with it |
| 00:41:53 | Cloudchaser_ | someone told me bout it last night but i can't remember what it was |
| 00:43:39 | Speedy2 | re |
| 00:44:18 | kergoth | hey Speedy2 |
| 00:44:22 | Speedy2 | re kergoth |
| 00:44:35 | kergoth | i finally have sane serial output :-) |
| 00:44:39 | Speedy2 | What was it? |
| 00:45:31 | ljp | kergoth.. ;/ |
| 00:45:33 | kergoth | twofold. first, there was corruption of the console buffer by the framebuffer driver. second, it'd still overflow my buffer on the desktop when it would dump an oops, that i solved by making the console write function spin a bit to throttle the output until i get hardware flow control up and running. |
| 00:45:58 | kergoth | thats why it was a pain to nail down, two problems |
| 00:45:59 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:46:00 | kergoth | ljp: ? |
| 00:46:01 | ljp | what happened to ftp/sync? it keeps asking me for login |
| 00:46:14 | kergoth | ljp: i have no idea.. its the opie ftp server.. check the cvs logs |
| 00:46:18 | Speedy2 | kergoth: So that ASM source was useless, eh? |
| 00:46:18 | ljp | cloud couldnt sync either |
| 00:46:37 | kergoth | Speedy2: no, it was good to see a proper implmentation.. but yeah, it wasnt necessary for this problem |
| 00:46:44 | Speedy2 | ok |
| 00:46:47 | codemnky | damn kergoth, you must have alot of free time |
| 00:46:48 | Speedy2 | doesn't feel too bad |
| 00:46:51 | ljp | ya, I just wanted to make sure you didnt do anything with it like some patch |
| 00:46:56 | kergoth | codemnky: hah, why do you say that |
| 00:47:06 | kergoth | ljp: nope.. its stock opie + a init.d/opie change to work with the Z |
| 00:47:16 | codemnky | i'm joking, you're poking at things i wish i understood |
| 00:47:19 | kergoth | hah |
| 00:48:12 | kergoth | argh this windows xp drivers for usb networking suck |
| 00:48:18 | kergoth | jeesus |
| 00:48:24 | codemnky | windows sucks you mean? |
| 00:48:27 | kergoth | that too |
| 00:48:42 | warmi | re |
| 00:48:57 | Speedy2 | re |
| 00:49:04 | kergoth | re warmi |
| 00:49:09 | codemnky | re |
| 00:49:21 | kergoth | Speedy2: man, its a lot easier to kernel program with clean serial output. hehe |
| 00:49:46 | Speedy2 | kergoth: I bet |
| 00:49:53 | codemnky | what's the command to see if someone else is on this server? |
| 00:49:58 | Speedy2 | w |
| 00:50:16 | codemnky | w? |
| 00:50:19 | Speedy2 | yeah |
| 00:50:20 | Speedy2 | "w" |
| 00:50:22 | codemnky | w user |
| 00:50:31 | codemnky | slash w user_name ? |
| 00:50:31 | Speedy2 | Well, "w" gives you a list |
| 00:50:35 | codemnky | w |
| 00:50:44 | codemnky | w :Unknown command |
| 00:50:55 | codemnky | i need clear instructions, i've been drinking |
| 00:51:00 | Speedy2 | Bah |
| 00:51:01 | kergoth | 'who' will do the job also |
| 00:51:17 | kergoth | hah codemnky. go buy unix for dummies quick ref for such times. :-P |
| 00:51:33 | codemnky | i've been using unix for 10 years |
| 00:51:37 | codemnky | i mean on irc channel |
| 00:51:45 | codemnky | this irc server |
| 00:51:45 | Speedy2 | LOL |
| 00:51:48 | ljp | hmmmmmm zecke applied some 'security patch from trolltech' |
| 00:51:51 | Speedy2 | "/whois" |
| 00:52:04 | kergoth | lol |
| 00:52:07 | codemnky | unix 10 years - irc 9 months |
| 00:52:08 | codemnky | :) |
| 00:52:11 | kergoth | ljp: oh shit |
| 00:52:16 | kergoth | ljp: i remember seeing that log entry |
| 00:52:17 | codemnky | sad huh |
| 00:52:24 | kergoth | ljp: wtf did it do? |
| 00:52:36 | ljp | I'm checking the diff right now |
| 00:52:39 | kergoth | k |
| 00:53:36 | codemnky | thanks |
| 00:53:40 | codemnky | found him |
| 00:55:08 | ljp | damn it.. for one. .he changed the entire file format so every fucking line in transferserver.cpp is in that diff |
| 00:55:18 | kergoth | ack what a pain |
| 00:55:25 | Speedy2 | ? |
| 00:55:38 | kergoth | Speedy2: syncing and the ftp server dont work in the new OZ rom. heh |
| 00:55:45 | Speedy2 | Doheth! |
| 00:55:46 | Titan818 | does anyone know of a good case for the 5500? |
| 00:56:15 | ljp | isnt there a way to tell diff to ignore spacing? |
| 00:56:24 | codemnky | http://www.pielframa.com/Sharp.Zaurus.htm |
| 00:56:26 | kergoth | probably.. i dunno the options myself |
| 00:56:50 | Speedy2 | They're all leater :( |
| 00:56:54 | W|GGL|T | of course |
| 00:56:58 | Speedy2 | That sux |
| 00:57:01 | codemnky | what do you want, plastic? |
| 00:57:04 | W|GGL|T | LOL |
| 00:57:04 | Speedy2 | I want a Rhino type thing |
| 00:57:07 | Speedy2 | No aluminum |
| 00:57:12 | W|GGL|T | good luck finding one |
| 00:57:13 | codemnky | it will dent |
| 00:57:16 | Speedy2 | So what? |
| 00:57:21 | Speedy2 | That's what it's meant for |
| 00:57:26 | codemnky | heh |
| 00:57:27 | Speedy2 | The leather one will get scratches |
| 00:57:31 | W|GGL|T | leather works just as well |
| 00:57:36 | kergoth | i'm going to have my dad throw together a metal case for me, since he's a toolmaker/machinist.. |
| 00:57:37 | Speedy2 | does not like leather |
| 00:57:44 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Put me down for one too |
| 00:57:47 | kergoth | cool thing about a metal case, you could screw the Z onto it with the mounting hole on the back |
| 00:57:48 | Titan818 | i dont really care as long as it protects Z |
| 00:57:48 | ljp | ohh wonderful.. there's more than just transferserver who's spacing changed.. |
| 00:57:57 | W|GGL|T | Speedy2: your only option is teaching yourself metal working |
| 00:58:03 | Speedy2 | Or have kergoth help me :) |
| 00:58:06 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 00:58:08 | W|GGL|T | yeah |
| 00:58:10 | codemnky | you see the link Titan |
| 00:58:10 | W|GGL|T | that too |
| 00:58:19 | Titan818 | yeah |
| 00:58:21 | kergoth | Speedy2: sure, I'll see what we can do. he's gotta design it yet |
| 00:58:26 | ljp | kergoth.. did you happen to install libuuid? |
| 00:58:28 | codemnky | that's the best i've seen |
| 00:58:32 | kergoth | Speedy2: i want him to put a pingizauru on the cover :-) |
| 00:58:39 | Speedy2 | kergoth: That I could do without. |
| 00:58:39 | codemnky | i have mine in a bodyglove meant for the palm |
| 00:58:41 | kergoth | ljp: its included with e2fsprogs iirc |
| 00:58:44 | kergoth | ljp: why? |
| 00:58:46 | ljp | k |
| 00:58:47 | kergoth | Speedy2: hehe |
| 00:58:49 | Speedy2 | codemnky: Is that leather too? |
| 00:58:51 | W|GGL|T | there's some guy on the ZZ list that's supposedly trying to come up with a metal-type case for the Z |
| 00:58:53 | Speedy2 | bodyglove |
| 00:58:54 | ljp | transferserver now uses that |
| 00:58:54 | codemnky | rubber |
| 00:58:58 | Speedy2 | hrm |
| 00:59:01 | codemnky | comp-usa |
| 00:59:01 | kergoth | ljp: hm |
| 00:59:08 | W|GGL|T | but he said he may charge over $100 for it |
| 00:59:11 | Titan818 | ok thanks |
| 00:59:21 | Speedy2 | Bah |
| 00:59:22 | Speedy2 | That's bullshit |
| 00:59:24 | W|GGL|T | that's too damn much for a case |
| 00:59:27 | kergoth | Cloudchaser_: you know you couldve scp'd shit to your Z right..? |
| 00:59:28 | Speedy2 | yeah |
| 00:59:35 | Speedy2 | Maybe I will use plastic... |
| 00:59:49 | W|GGL|T | well, he said he'd be making them from billets of metal |
| 00:59:51 | Speedy2 | I used a $2.47 rubber maid container to etch my PCB...some people want $80 for etchant tanks |
| 00:59:51 | W|GGL|T | but still |
| 01:00:01 | codemnky | it seem to be made out of rubber and wet suit material |
| 01:00:03 | ljp | hmmmm |
| 01:00:12 | Speedy2 | hrm |
| 01:00:26 | codemnky | i take my Z diving all the time |
| 01:00:26 | W|GGL|T | isn't sharp selling cases for like $200? |
| 01:00:26 | kergoth | ljp: made heads or tails of that diff yet? |
| 01:00:35 | codemnky | it can hold up to about 40 feet |
| 01:00:44 | codemnky | :P |
| 01:00:46 | Speedy2 | heh |
| 01:01:03 | W|GGL|T | codemnky: do you swap CF cards in the drink too? :o) |
| 01:01:09 | kergoth | hehe |
| 01:01:31 | kergoth | woah |
| 01:01:33 | kergoth | ljp: check this |
| 01:01:54 | kergoth | ljp: "An authorized system is requesting access to this device. If you are using a version of Qtopia Desktop older than 1.5.1, please upgrade." |
| 01:01:56 | ljp | well, at least its now secure |
| 01:01:59 | kergoth | ljp: thats on my Z after the ftp attempt |
| 01:02:15 | ljp | ya.. I'm looking at that right now.. trying to figure it out |
| 01:02:43 | ljp | checks system password first |
| 01:03:04 | codemnky | you lost me |
| 01:03:11 | codemnky | hehe |
| 01:03:24 | ljp | funny, but I tried my real password |
| 01:03:27 | kergoth | ljp: shit dood, i attempted an ftp a few times, my fucking Z froze. |
| 01:03:52 | kergoth | ljp: i hope zecke didnt introduce an opening to attack in adding a security function |
| 01:03:53 | kergoth | hehe |
| 01:04:01 | ljp | you didnt change default user did you? |
| 01:04:14 | kergoth | i havent tested qtopia desktop, just ftp |
| 01:04:45 | ljp | wont work.. unles syou have the newest qtopiadesktop I suppose since it now denies no password |
| 01:05:03 | kergoth | ah... |
| 01:05:14 | kergoth | wonder if intellisync works |
| 01:05:26 | kergoth | we need to document this new behavior. |
| 01:06:19 | codemnky | bye |
| 01:07:07 | sirius|awy | nick siriusnova |
| 01:07:11 | sirius|awy | f**k |
| 01:07:15 | siriusnova | better |
| 01:07:26 | siriusnova | hey does the Z have 2 batteries? |
| 01:07:33 | siriusnova | like 1 main batt and 1 built in? |
| 01:07:42 | kergoth | main batt and a small backup batt |
| 01:07:46 | Speedy2 | A small backup |
| 01:07:47 | siriusnova | ok |
| 01:07:49 | Speedy2 | heh |
| 01:07:51 | Speedy2 | Beat me to it |
| 01:07:52 | siriusnova | cause my backup batt doesnt work |
| 01:07:53 | Speedy2 | Dirty bastard. |
| 01:07:56 | kergoth | heheh |
| 01:08:05 | siriusnova | I take out my main and the whole Z gets reset |
| 01:08:16 | siriusnova | and when I go into suspend, my clock gets messed up |
| 01:08:18 | siriusnova | in 2.37 rom |
| 01:08:28 | siriusnova | like the clock wont update |
| 01:08:29 | Speedy2 | Well, in susped, the CPU is still powered |
| 01:08:32 | Speedy2 | hrm |
| 01:08:34 | Speedy2 | Not good news. |
| 01:08:37 | Speedy2 | 5000 or 5500? |
| 01:08:39 | siriusnova | 5500 |
| 01:08:48 | siriusnova | it may be 2.37 |
| 01:08:50 | kergoth | clock doesnt get reset in OZ, its a software issue. |
| 01:08:51 | siriusnova | since Ive just noticed it |
| 01:08:53 | kergoth | probably a 2.37 thing |
| 01:09:00 | siriusnova | k |
| 01:09:01 | Speedy2 | The only time the backup battery is used is if the main batt is removed |
| 01:09:06 | siriusnova | but what about the backup batt |
| 01:09:13 | siriusnova | whenever I remove the main my Z gets reset |
| 01:09:18 | siriusnova | which is so gay |
| 01:09:26 | siriusnova | and Ive charged the bugger for 48 hours |
| 01:09:32 | kergoth | check dmesg |
| 01:09:37 | ACEDOG_Z | mine wont suspend unless I do it manually |
| 01:09:38 | kergoth | any errors about your backup battery? |
| 01:09:42 | siriusnova | no |
| 01:09:56 | siriusnova | hmm |
| 01:09:59 | siriusnova | lmme see |
| 01:10:04 | siriusnova | what am I looking for? |
| 01:10:13 | Speedy2 | How hard would it be to make all this OZ/Qtopia stuff support 640x480? |
| 01:10:16 | kergoth | any messages about your backup battery |
| 01:10:18 | Cloudchaser_ | kergoth: i don't know how to scp. I also tried qtopia desktop (newest version) and ftp |
| 01:10:23 | kergoth | Speedy2: its been done. works on the tuxscreen |
| 01:10:31 | Speedy2 | kergoth: :) |
| 01:10:36 | kergoth | Cloudchaser_: yes, we're looking into it. Trolltech did a security patch that we applied |
| 01:10:46 | kergoth | Cloudchaser_: the absolute latest qtopia desktop should work. |
| 01:10:52 | ljp | ZI think I see why the server fails] |
| 01:10:58 | siriusnova | nope |
| 01:11:11 | siriusnova | nothing about the battery |
| 01:11:23 | kergoth | siriusnova well thats good anyway. the backup battery is fine |
| 01:11:29 | siriusnova | i didnt even know the Z had a backup |
| 01:11:34 | Cloudchaser_ | kergoth: i have the absolute latest |
| 01:11:35 | siriusnova | till I read somewhere it was supposed to |
| 01:11:42 | | whardier was last seen on #zaurus 1 hours, 18 minutes and 59 seconds ago, saying: sorta [Thu Jul 18 00:52:43 2002] |
| 01:11:42 | codemnky | ibot seen whardier |
| 01:11:45 | Cloudchaser_ | at least the one that came with 2.37 rom |
| 01:11:47 | siriusnova | then why am I losing information when I take out the main batt |
| 01:11:55 | | roge99 was last seen on #zaurus 23 hours, 15 minutes and 6 seconds ago, saying: hey kergoth can i update via the feed ? [Wed Jul 17 02:56:49 2002] |
| 01:11:55 | codemnky | ibot seen roge99 |
| 01:11:57 | kergoth | Cloudchaser_:heh can you check the version # of it for me? |
| 01:12:01 | Cloudchaser_ | cept it syas cersion 1.5 |
| 01:12:03 | | roge99_laptop was last seen on #zaurus 1 days, 1 hours, 13 minutes and 51 seconds ago, saying: 'lo all [Wed Jul 17 00:58:12 2002] |
| 01:12:03 | codemnky | ibot seen roge99_laptop |
| 01:12:31 | Cloudchaser_ | but i installed it from the software jason sent us for beta, which he said was same as public release |
| 01:12:51 | kergoth | Cloudchaser_: still may not be hte latest. trolltech puts versions on their ftp site |
| 01:12:56 | kergoth | Cloudchaser_: check the version # of yours please |
| 01:13:27 | Cloudchaser_ | i just did |
| 01:13:55 | Cloudchaser_ | verion 1.5 buid zaurus_20020517a built on may 18 2002 |
| 01:13:58 | kergoth | oh |
| 01:13:58 | kergoth | oh sorry |
| 01:13:58 | kergoth | didnt see that |
| 01:14:04 | Cloudchaser_ | hehe s'ok |
| 01:14:12 | ljp | gggrrrrrrr |
| 01:14:26 | kergoth | "An authorized system is requesting access to this device. If you are using a version of Qtopia Desktop older than 1.5.1, please upgrade." |
| 01:14:32 | kergoth | Cloudchaser_: so we need 1.5.1 or newer |
| 01:14:32 | siriusnova | kregoth, btw new rom out? |
| 01:14:36 | kergoth | siriusnova: yes. |
| 01:14:42 | siriusnova | kergoth. cool |
| 01:14:51 | kergoth | siriusnova: some sync issues we're working on. trolltech installed a security patch that we applied.. |
| 01:14:54 | Cloudchaser_ | doesn't look like we got version 1.5.1 |
| 01:14:59 | siriusnova | ok |
| 01:15:05 | siriusnova | well is it ready to go, or do you suggest I wait |
| 01:15:06 | kergoth | Cloudchaser_: so? that doesnt mean a newer one doesnt exist |
| 01:15:08 | Cloudchaser_ | think sharp didn't give us the latest??? |
| 01:15:16 | kergoth | Cloudchaser_: there have always been newer versions available directly from trolltech. |
| 01:15:25 | Cloudchaser_ | i didn't know that |
| 01:15:26 | kergoth | siriusnova: go for it. |
| 01:15:31 | siriusnova | k |
| 01:15:41 | siriusnova | but I need a CF card |
| 01:15:42 | siriusnova | great |
| 01:15:47 | Speedy2 | Mozilla is leaking memory 40KB/sec |
| 01:15:52 | Speedy2 | Upto 25MB now |
| 01:15:58 | kergoth | heh, damn |
| 01:16:00 | siriusnova | wtf is wrong with adding SD support to flashing |
| 01:16:03 | siriusnova | =P |
| 01:16:14 | Speedy2 | Killed |
| 01:16:16 | Speedy2 | Now it's been fixed |
| 01:16:23 | siriusnova | so I can flash from an SD card |
| 01:16:24 | kergoth | siriusnova: tell sharp to release the code to the CF update app, and have them give me a jtag cable while you're at it |
| 01:16:39 | siriusnova | heh |
| 01:16:43 | Speedy2 | kergoth: I'll get there soon enough. |
| 01:16:45 | kergoth | hehe |
| 01:16:46 | kergoth | i know |
| 01:16:55 | kergoth | I should port blob |
| 01:16:58 | Speedy2 | No |
| 01:16:58 | kergoth | just for shits |
| 01:16:59 | Speedy2 | blob is shit |
| 01:17:00 | siriusnova | what If I copied the rom onto the Z |
| 01:17:00 | ljp | grrrrrrr |
| 01:17:02 | Speedy2 | lol |
| 01:17:03 | siriusnova | and flashed it from there? |
| 01:17:08 | siriusnova | or do I HAVE TO HAVE a CF card |
| 01:17:08 | kergoth | Speedy2: hah, whats preferred? |
| 01:17:13 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Mine :) |
| 01:17:16 | kergoth | siriusnova: you have to have a cf card. |
| 01:17:22 | siriusnova | crap |
| 01:17:24 | kergoth | Speedy2: how did i know that was coming :-) |
| 01:17:26 | siriusnova | :( |
| 01:17:35 | kergoth | siriusnova: 16 and 32mb cards are dirt cheap man ;-) |
| 01:17:36 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Advanced Branch Prediction :) |
| 01:17:43 | kergoth | hah |
| 01:17:49 | siriusnova | kergoth, how big would I nead? |
| 01:17:51 | siriusnova | need? |
| 01:17:54 | Speedy2 | 16MB min |
| 01:18:00 | siriusnova | k |
| 01:18:10 | W|GGL|T | 16mb is too small, isn't it? |
| 01:18:15 | Speedy2 | Is it? |
| 01:18:18 | Speedy2 | If so, Sharp is retarded. |
| 01:18:20 | cxm | do they still make 16Mb, anyway??? |
| 01:18:25 | W|GGL|T | yeah |
| 01:18:37 | Speedy2 | Hell, Sharp is retarded for requiring you to use a CF card anyway |
| 01:18:45 | W|GGL|T | i agree |
| 01:18:46 | Speedy2 | Just so they can do a simple block copy/move |
| 01:18:48 | W|GGL|T | kinda fucked logic |
| 01:19:02 | cxm | they should have built in ethernet and bootp :P |
| 01:19:09 | Speedy2 | We'll get there soon. |
| 01:19:20 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Port Red Boot, that's your other choice. |
| 01:19:42 | siriusnova | if I get a 32meg CF card, will that be ok for all future upgrades too? or do I have to get something bigger? |
| 01:19:56 | cxm | siriusnova that should be ok |
| 01:20:05 | Speedy2 | siriusnova: The FlashROM is 16MB, and it's not going to grow unless you put new chips in. |
| 01:20:08 | siriusnova | ok |
| 01:20:17 | W|GGL|T | uses 64mb CF |
| 01:20:24 | siriusnova | i have a 128mb SD card |
| 01:20:27 | W|GGL|T | want more but ive lotsa wants lately |
| 01:20:31 | W|GGL|T | like wifi |
| 01:20:39 | W|GGL|T | and amd mb/cpu |
| 01:20:41 | W|GGL|T | and a new car |
| 01:20:42 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 01:20:49 | whardier | http://hardwire.bogomip.com/gallery/view_photo.php?set_albumName=Artwork&id=acq |
| 01:20:49 | cxm | wifi prices are dropping like a stone - I'm waiting |
| 01:20:57 | W|GGL|T | cxm: so am i |
| 01:21:20 | W|GGL|T | shit...the wifi network cards themselves seem to be not dropping tho |
| 01:21:21 | cxm | just this week the access points have started to go < £100 |
| 01:21:42 | W|GGL|T | still see $100 network cards at the local stores |
| 01:21:54 | W|GGL|T | that's a bit ridiculous |
| 01:21:55 | cxm | PCMCIA cards going for <£60 |
| 01:22:00 | zappin | W|GGL|T what cpu and mobo are you getting? |
| 01:22:17 | warmi | whardier: that one should be called "Don't touch it !" ... |
| 01:22:21 | whardier | hehe |
| 01:22:29 | W|GGL|T | zappin: dunno yet...still researching...it may not even happen...been hitting the mastercard a bit hard lately |
| 01:22:46 | zappin | I've been thinking about getting a Tiger MP board |
| 01:22:55 | W|GGL|T | that's why i need to get outta this damn jobless state |
| 01:23:03 | W|GGL|T | sorta thinking on soyo |
| 01:23:14 | zappin | you should go SMP |
| 01:23:48 | W|GGL|T | nah...no real need |
| 01:24:01 | W|GGL|T | i just need to get away from this 500mhz celeron |
| 01:24:29 | zappin | I want to get the Tiger MP and Dual 1.3 Durons because they are dirt cheap |
| 01:24:35 | kergoth | fucking at&t broadband |
| 01:24:42 | ljp | I dont think that security code works correctly |
| 01:24:53 | W|GGL|T | will go XP |
| 01:25:02 | kergoth | ljp: I'm tempted to revert the patch and release a new rom for the moment. heh |
| 01:25:02 | siriusnova | hey is Konqueror better then Opera on the Z? |
| 01:25:05 | siriusnova | browsing wise? |
| 01:25:10 | kergoth | siriusnova: imo, yes |
| 01:25:14 | siriusnova | is it faster? |
| 01:25:22 | siriusnova | konq is a bloated app as is |
| 01:25:24 | ljp | ya might be a good idea.. |
| 01:27:13 | ljp | looks like it should work if password is 'Qtopia' or current users password |
| 01:27:17 | siriusnova | btw |
| 01:27:24 | siriusnova | Bestbuy is selling Zauruses for $320 now |
| 01:27:39 | ljp | unless its been tried more than 2 times |
| 01:27:46 | kergoth | ljp: Qtopia? lol, they call that security? |
| 01:28:23 | ljp | heh ya |
| 01:28:25 | W|GGL|T | good lord...they are dumping them like rocks |
| 01:28:36 | ljp | lemme wait some 600 senconds to try again |
| 01:28:39 | whardier | enter the boredom |
| 01:28:42 | W|GGL|T | i should return mine and say its broke |
| 01:28:43 | W|GGL|T | heh |
| 01:29:02 | kergoth | hmm anyone know of a good terminal emulation app for windows that has serial support? |
| 01:29:06 | kergoth | i miss procomm |
| 01:29:13 | kergoth | but i want something lightweight, and NOT HYPERTERMINAL |
| 01:29:16 | siriusnova | hehe |
| 01:29:17 | kergoth | hehe |
| 01:29:23 | W|GGL|T | minicom doesn't fit the bill? |
| 01:29:30 | cxm | < can only think of cygnus + minicom |
| 01:29:33 | kergoth | W|GGL|T: that work in cygwin? |
| 01:29:39 | W|GGL|T | oh...dunno |
| 01:29:44 | W|GGL|T | used it sparingly |
| 01:29:51 | kergoth | minicom does some wierd things |
| 01:29:53 | kergoth | but it works |
| 01:29:55 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:30:00 | cxm | or... pretty much any DOS serial terminal |
| 01:30:07 | kergoth | yeah, where's telix or telemate |
| 01:30:15 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:31:28 | ljp | kergoth: -DALLOW_UNIX_USER_FTP |
| 01:31:53 | kergoth | hah, you add that? |
| 01:31:55 | siriusnova | thats cool |
| 01:32:00 | ljp | if thats defines, it wil lcheck users password |
| 01:32:02 | siriusnova | the japanese Z has a builtin camera |
| 01:32:03 | siriusnova | sweet |
| 01:32:08 | siriusnova | when do our Zs get that feature |
| 01:32:13 | ljp | no.. thats in the patch |
| 01:32:24 | fusion94 | siriusnova: when we move to japan and purchase one |
| 01:32:26 | cxm | there's a flood of cellphones with cameras in the UK. dunno if it will catch on |
| 01:32:34 | siriusnova | g'dammit |
| 01:32:41 | siriusnova | why do the japanese get all the funky technology |
| 01:32:47 | siriusnova | and we get all the leftovers POS |
| 01:32:49 | siriusnova | ;( |
| 01:33:05 | cxm | it's only VGA res and relatively poor quality |
| 01:33:16 | siriusnova | still |
| 01:33:17 | siriusnova | its a camera |
| 01:33:18 | siriusnova | =P |
| 01:33:20 | siriusnova | I want one |
| 01:33:21 | siriusnova | on my Z |
| 01:33:34 | cxm | you'd be better off with a CF<->SmartMedia adapter - and a real digital camera |
| 01:33:46 | siriusnova | hows the sharp camera they sell on myzaurus.com |
| 01:34:03 | siriusnova | can it do video? |
| 01:34:26 | cxm | it's VGA too I think - the hardware should be able to do video |
| 01:34:29 | kergoth | ljp: heh. so will syncing still be screwed for 1.5.0 and lower qtopia desktop? we dont even have access to 1.5.1 or higher.. hehe |
| 01:34:39 | cxm | dunno if the drivers support it tho |
| 01:35:03 | ljp | yep.. looks like it |
| 01:35:12 | cxm | I wonder how much video you can store on a 128Mb SD card :p |
| 01:35:20 | ljp | that still doesnt explain why th epassword of 'Qtopia' isnt working either |
| 01:35:21 | siriusnova | heh |
| 01:35:50 | siriusnova | i mean take a look at dynamism.com for all the chool shit the japanese have |
| 01:35:53 | ljp | has it been 600 somethings yet? |
| 01:35:56 | siriusnova | cool |
| 01:36:55 | cxm | bedtime, night all... |
| 01:37:44 | kergoth | ahhhhh wtf did i do |
| 01:37:50 | kergoth | it doesnt mount the rootfs anymore |
| 01:37:58 | kergoth | does find the flash chips though.. |
| 01:39:04 | ljp | ?? |
| 01:39:27 | W|GGL|T | ok...time to try OZ again |
| 01:40:05 | Cloudchaser_ | won't synch W|GGL|T |
| 01:40:09 | Cloudchaser_ | or ftp yet |
| 01:40:15 | Cloudchaser_ | its broke still |
| 01:40:36 | W|GGL|T | shit |
| 01:40:54 | W|GGL|T | even with the very latest QD? |
| 01:41:12 | W|GGL|T | damn |
| 01:41:20 | ljp | kergoth: also security writes the ip in hex, while that security path reads it as string |
| 01:41:37 | W|GGL|T | i wonder if i'll be able to get it online with OZ, like i do the sharp rom (proxy) |
| 01:41:38 | W|GGL|T | brb |
| 01:41:43 | ljp | I wish zecke would have tested that damn patch forst |
| 01:41:49 | ljp | first even |
| 01:42:20 | ljp | damn it |
| 01:43:19 | kergoth | ljp: oh shit.. haha |
| 01:43:22 | kergoth | ljp: argh |
| 01:43:43 | ljp | I have to change that, eh? |
| 01:43:45 | kergoth | W|GGL|T: that'll work fine |
| 01:43:51 | kergoth | ljp: feel free :-P |
| 01:43:57 | | zecke was last seen on #zaurus 5 hours, 25 minutes and 16 seconds ago, saying: too [Wed Jul 17 21:18:41 2002] |
| 01:43:57 | kergoth | ibot: seen zecke? |
| 01:44:08 | kergoth | ahhh i'm behind on linux-kernel |
| 01:44:09 | kergoth | i HATE that |
| 01:44:16 | kergoth | 489 messages |
| 01:44:35 | kergoth | ooo UML for 2.5, i'm sure whardier will be glad to hear that |
| 01:45:51 | ljp | you going to define that? or should I just define it at the top of that file? |
| 01:46:39 | kergoth | well it depends on whether we want that defined in cvs or not |
| 01:48:03 | ljp | heh using Qtopia is almost as bad as no password |
| 01:48:44 | siriusnova | http://www.dynamism.com/spyz/gallery.shtml |
| 01:48:45 | siriusnova | i want one |
| 01:49:07 | ljp | needs more rum |
| 01:50:25 | kergoth | ljp: agreed. hehe. i have no alcohol. sniffle |
| 01:51:02 | Cloudchaser_ | W|GGL|T: did you find a 1.5.1 version of qtopia desktop? |
| 01:51:56 | kergoth | Cloudchaser_: there isnt one on trolltech's site, i dont think its available. |
| 01:52:19 | kergoth | Cloudchaser_: i may just revert the security patch to get syncing working again while the issue gets hashed out. |
| 01:52:41 | Cloudchaser_ | ok i'll try again when thats ready :) |
| 01:55:01 | ljp | kergoth: no more blindly committing non tested patches, eh.. |
| 01:55:44 | kergoth | ljp: hehe. yeah. we'll have to give zecke shit for quite some time :-) |
| 01:56:14 | Cloudchaser_ | yeah tell him cloud almost had a nervous breakdown over it ;) |
| 01:56:20 | Cloudchaser_ | (just kidding) |
| 01:56:47 | ljp | heheh. ya almost as much as .. hehehehe... stripping modules heheheh |
| 01:58:38 | ljp | grrrr.. and it doesn't check for ip range, but one lone ip |
| 01:58:43 | whardier | http://hardwire.bogomip.com/gallery/view_photo.php?set_albumName=Artwork&id=acr |
| 01:58:47 | whardier | :P I love cats |
| 01:59:19 | W|GGL|T | damn...and i was ready to check out OZ again too |
| 02:00:31 | ljp | heheh go ahead.. unless you need to sync |
| 02:00:41 | jmhodges | yello |
| 02:00:47 | kergoth | W|GGL|T: stick to scp and you're fine. hehe |
| 02:00:47 | W|GGL|T | or ftp |
| 02:00:58 | W|GGL|T | hrmmm....winscp |
| 02:01:00 | Cloudchaser_ | ftp dont work either |
| 02:01:01 | kergoth | bah, ftp.. use scp :-) |
| 02:01:04 | kergoth | hehe |
| 02:01:14 | kergoth | yeah winscp, exactly. or cygwin + openssh |
| 02:02:38 | ljp | hmm I never thought about ssh/scp |
| 02:02:56 | Cloudchaser_ | i'll try those both sometime |
| 02:03:56 | Cloudchaser_ | that mazingo is pretty cool.. |
| 02:04:41 | ljp | kergoth: anything wrong with allowing unix passwords? |
| 02:04:53 | kergoth | ljp: wouldnt think so |
| 02:06:57 | ljp | well, if you want it.. define that. |
| 02:09:07 | ljp | crap.. tha tcommit isnt going to work |
| 02:17:32 | jmhodges | hmm.. i got an error from opie-addressbook that says that libqpe-1.5.<something> was not installed? should i just force install the upgrade? (is such a thing possible? |
| 02:17:45 | Cloudchaser_ | is there a tfpt server for the z? i haven't seen one but i could use one |
| 02:18:32 | | well, feed is a package repository or http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds or http://www.zauruszone.com/feed/ or http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/ for OpenZaurus |
| 02:18:32 | W|GGL|T | ibot feed |
| 02:20:21 | ljp | I think zecke should fix this |
| 02:20:43 | kergoth | good idea |
| 02:22:27 | ljp | at least they decided to use encrypted passwords ;) |
| 02:23:54 | ljp | he's going to have to make sure line 125 is correct |
| 02:24:13 | W|GGL|T | no more boot.txt, eh? |
| 02:24:25 | kergoth | W|GGL|T: er, i forgot bootflag.txt? |
| 02:24:58 | kergoth | W|GGL|T: the cf updater may require it. feel free to try though |
| 02:25:08 | kergoth | W|GGL|T: otherwise echo blah > bootflag.txt |
| 02:26:09 | W|GGL|T | k |
| 02:27:06 | Cloudchaser_ | does anyone have sharp serial cable? |
| 02:27:19 | whardier | I have a soldering iron |
| 02:27:22 | Cloudchaser_ | is it for the cradle or the bottom of z? |
| 02:27:45 | Speedy2 | Cloudchaser_: Bottom of Z |
| 02:28:19 | Cloudchaser_ | oki ;) well if sharp hasn't come up with better one in a few weeks i may have to break down and buy one |
| 02:28:52 | ljp | a soldering iron? |
| 02:29:09 | Cloudchaser_ | no a serial cable |
| 02:29:40 | Speedy2 | Cloudchaser_: Build on |
| 02:29:41 | Speedy2 | Cloudchaser_: Build one |
| 02:30:00 | | dwmw2 was last seen on #opie 1 days, 18 hours, 19 minutes and 54 seconds ago, saying: too early [Tue Jul 16 09:10:06 2002] |
| 02:30:00 | kergoth | ibot: seen dwmw2? |
| 02:30:02 | kergoth | hm |
| 02:30:23 | kergoth | its finding the flash chips but isnt partitioning it for some reason |
| 02:30:29 | kergoth | stupid shit, this worked last week |
| 02:30:30 | whardier | who wants to boogie |
| 02:30:41 | kergoth | damn me and my shitloads of independent kernel trees |
| 02:32:06 | ljp | ya |
| 02:32:41 | Cloudchaser_ | speedy2: need the sharp side connector |
| 02:34:14 | Speedy2 | Cloudchaser_: Ok, I'll try to help you. |
| 02:34:35 | Cloudchaser_ | the company that manufactures them won't sell small numbers |
| 02:34:43 | Speedy2 | Well, they can goto hell |
| 02:34:45 | Cloudchaser_ | and besides, if its the same end its soo big |
| 02:35:53 | whardier | I want taco bell |
| 02:37:02 | icom1990 | Anyone tried to VPN from a Zaurus to a MS network ? |
| 02:37:20 | whardier | HAHA |
| 02:37:29 | whardier | the uses for that scare me |
| 02:37:44 | W|GGL|T | there are 2 40-24 zimages on the OZ site...duplicates? |
| 02:37:55 | kergoth | W|GGL|T: i have no idea how that happened. hehe |
| 02:38:12 | W|GGL|T | eenie meenie... |
| 02:38:18 | kergoth | eheh yep |
| 02:38:18 | whardier | miney moe! |
| 02:38:28 | kergoth | my fridge is so empty |
| 02:38:35 | W|GGL|T | mine too |
| 02:38:39 | kergoth | i love 24hr grocery stores. i should go grab some food & soda |
| 02:38:41 | W|GGL|T | going shopping tomorrow |
| 02:38:48 | Speedy2 | Yeah |
| 02:38:51 | Speedy2 | Kroger is 24 hrs here |
| 02:38:55 | Speedy2 | So is Albertsons |
| 02:38:58 | kergoth | so convenient |
| 02:39:01 | Speedy2 | I shop at around 4AM usually |
| 02:39:10 | kergoth | plus its fun messing with the cashiers that are half asleep |
| 02:39:11 | kergoth | hehe |
| 02:39:12 | Speedy2 | No long lines, can take your time, etc. |
| 02:39:13 | Speedy2 | hehe |
| 02:39:15 | kergoth | exactly |
| 02:39:22 | Speedy2 | Walk around, think, relaxing |
| 02:39:29 | kergoth | yeah |
| 02:39:31 | Speedy2 | Can spend time deciding w/o looking like a freak |
| 02:39:40 | ljp | ahhh ok |
| 02:39:49 | kergoth | or hey, its late, you can go to the grocery store looking like a freak |
| 02:39:51 | kergoth | hehe |
| 02:39:55 | Speedy2 | That true |
| 02:40:05 | Speedy2 | I meant people won't eye you weird if you read ingredients, etc |
| 02:40:08 | kergoth | i know :-) |
| 02:40:12 | Speedy2 | heh |
| 02:40:22 | kergoth | i found my flash problem |
| 02:40:23 | kergoth | i'm a moron |
| 02:40:26 | Speedy2 | hrm |
| 02:40:32 | whardier | 's oldest lady kitty is licking his arm off |
| 02:41:09 | ljp | hmmm |
| 02:41:54 | W|GGL|T | never liked the feel of a cat tongue |
| 02:42:10 | Speedy2 | Yes, but does the cat like YOUR tongue? |
| 02:42:38 | whardier | when they are licking you.. just move whatever they are licking in sync with their tounge |
| 02:42:41 | whardier | they get piss |
| 02:42:43 | whardier | y |
| 02:42:47 | W|GGL|T | we'll never know...i don't go around licking cats |
| 02:42:48 | W|GGL|T | hehe |
| 02:42:50 | kergoth | hehe |
| 02:43:18 | whardier | then they just end up tounging you |
| 02:43:20 | whardier | and thats no good |
| 02:43:26 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 02:43:29 | W|GGL|T | hi jmhodges |
| 02:43:39 | whardier | tounges jmhodges |
| 02:43:41 | whardier | QUIT MOVING! |
| 02:43:44 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 02:43:49 | kergoth | lol |
| 02:43:53 | kergoth | whardier: have another beer |
| 02:43:57 | jmhodges | heya W|GGL|T |
| 02:43:59 | jmhodges | ACK |
| 02:44:02 | whardier | I am not done with this one yet! |
| 02:44:02 | W|GGL|T | lol...usually only see that in San Fran |
| 02:44:02 | jmhodges | whardier: wonderful |
| 02:44:09 | whardier | hah |
| 02:44:17 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 02:44:21 | jmhodges | okie dokie |
| 02:44:32 | jmhodges | sets up his net access on his Z |
| 02:44:38 | ljp | kergoth: it seems that commit I did worked.. at least for 'Qtopia' ftp pass.. on the desktop |
| 02:44:44 | jmhodges | lets see if i cant force-depends the addressbook upgrade |
| 02:44:51 | whardier | my arm smells like cat spit |
| 02:45:04 | kergoth | ljp: well thats one step closer anyway.. |
| 02:45:06 | Speedy2 | Better than your cat smelling like your arm pit |
| 02:45:17 | whardier | hah |
| 02:45:23 | whardier | that was clever |
| 02:45:28 | whardier | pops in jak and dexter |
| 02:47:14 | jmhodges | hmm.. interesint |
| 02:47:14 | W|GGL|T | when OZ initially boots up, what's all those iso drivers its trying to modprobe? |
| 02:47:19 | jmhodges | # ipkg |
| 02:47:19 | jmhodges | ipkg: No such file or directory |
| 02:47:21 | jmhodges | sweet |
| 02:47:24 | jmhodges | im so fucking happy |
| 02:47:32 | jmhodges | excuse me while i go grab a rom |
| 02:48:03 | ljp | W|GGL|T: you have the very latest oz? |
| 02:48:13 | W|GGL|T | yeah |
| 02:49:11 | kergoth | W|GGL|T: iirc thats nls stuff |
| 02:49:15 | kergoth | W|GGL|T: its harmless |
| 02:49:33 | W|GGL|T | k |
| 02:54:42 | bipolar | [way OT msg] if anyone has Mandrake Gaming edition w/ the Sims, please msg me privately. |
| 02:54:51 | siriusnova | lol |
| 02:54:52 | siriusnova | linux warez |
| 02:54:54 | siriusnova | ;) |
| 02:55:07 | bipolar | siriusnova: not exactly |
| 02:55:14 | siriusnova | k :) |
| 02:57:10 | jmhodges | watches the new initrd take forever to download |
| 02:57:14 | jmhodges | go wget go! |
| 03:03:40 | ljp | wweeeeeeeeee!!! |
| 03:03:48 | jmhodges | i love netsplits.. yaaaaaaay! |
| 03:04:16 | tux_mike | bam |
| 03:04:32 | [DrEvil] | lilo isn't doing his job |
| 03:04:34 | [DrEvil] | stop payment |
| 03:05:10 | tux_mike | lilo never does his job |
| 03:05:14 | tux_mike | lilo has no job |
| 03:05:42 | ljp | well.. if anyone cares.. the way to get ftp working in the new oz, till it gets fixed, is to set security to 'Any' and ftp user root password Qtopia, and click on 'Accept' when the messagebox pops up on the Z |
| 03:05:44 | [DrEvil] | he runs this network |
| 03:05:46 | [DrEvil] | dontcha know |
| 03:06:21 | tux_mike | there's a new OZ? |
| 03:06:36 | jmhodges | hye what is this zImage-32 on the OZ page? |
| 03:06:54 | Cloudchaser_ | ljp: thanks.. i'll try it again tomorrow |
| 03:06:57 | ljp | yes, but sync wont work, till TT outputs qtopiadesktop 1.5.1 |
| 03:07:27 | tux_mike | why not? |
| 03:07:37 | jmhodges | tux_mike: yes there is a new one |
| 03:07:40 | tux_mike | has been having problems with sync |
| 03:08:14 | ljp | because there's *gasp* password protection |
| 03:08:26 | jmhodges | jeje |
| 03:08:44 | tux_mike | wow |
| 03:08:48 | tux_mike | password |
| 03:08:53 | tux_mike | that's amazing |
| 03:09:04 | jmhodges | lol |
| 03:09:27 | ljp | only that patch is a bit broken on the newest oz.. so you have to set it to 'Any' |
| 03:09:48 | tux_mike | i've had to do that on the latest opies. |
| 03:11:05 | Cloudchaser_ | synch still won't work? hmm |
| 03:11:18 | Cloudchaser_ | but we can't GET 1.5.1 q desktop |
| 03:12:41 | ljp | yep.. since 7/12 |
| 03:12:42 | tux_mike | i think i've had to do that since 7/2 |
| 03:12:42 | ljp | hmm. weird |
| 03:12:42 | ljp | and beam send works |
| 03:12:47 | tux_mike | does it work for ab entries to palm? |
| 03:13:03 | W|GGL|T | on OZ, does Lan-TCP/IP work thru the usb cradle? |
| 03:13:14 | Cloudchaser_ | beam works and synch doesn't? bleh |
| 03:14:14 | W|GGL|T | anyone? |
| 03:14:44 | ljp | hmmm funny.. TT removed qtopia 1.6 snapshots.. |
| 03:15:26 | jmhodges | yay! more fun from the folks at trolltech! |
| 03:17:02 | W|GGL|T | as much fun as sharp |
| 03:17:02 | ljp | looks like qtopia-1.6-snapshot might just be going on opie.us |
| 03:17:04 | W|GGL|T | heh |
| 03:17:31 | W|GGL|T | Cloudchaser_: you're in win2000 at the moment? |
| 03:17:36 | ljp | yes, but qtp[iadesktop source was in that snapshots |
| 03:17:38 | Cloudchaser_ | yes |
| 03:17:56 | W|GGL|T | Cloudchaser_: is your cradle's IP the same as your Z's? |
| 03:17:57 | [DrEvil] | someone needs to write program like FunnyPhone for the Z |
| 03:18:10 | [DrEvil] | I miss beaming ring tones and pictures to my t68 |
| 03:18:33 | jmhodges | lol what? |
| 03:18:40 | jmhodges | t68? |
| 03:18:48 | Cloudchaser_ | W|GGL|T: no i have dhcp assigned address for wireless and usb is default |
| 03:19:42 | W|GGL|T | damn...can't get OZ online...can't ftp, can't sync...can't do shit other than look at it's eyecandy...can't even ping it |
| 03:19:55 | Cloudchaser_ | yeah |
| 03:20:02 | Cloudchaser_ | i reverted back to sharp rom |
| 03:20:09 | Cloudchaser_ | i couldn't get apps onto it |
| 03:20:22 | W|GGL|T | can you even use the usb cradle with OZ? |
| 03:20:58 | tux_mike | you can use it, just no sync :) |
| 03:21:00 | jmhodges | wha? of course |
| 03:21:03 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 03:21:05 | jmhodges | :) |
| 03:21:13 | W|GGL|T | jmhodges: have you tried the latest OZ? |
| 03:21:20 | Cloudchaser_ | sshhh |
| 03:21:22 | W|GGL|T | jmhodges: you'll see what i mean |
| 03:21:26 | Cloudchaser_ | jm's had a really rough week! |
| 03:21:36 | Cloudchaser_ | don't get him on this one he'll have a breakdown! |
| 03:21:40 | W|GGL|T | then he should stop laffin at my rough night! :oP |
| 03:21:42 | jmhodges | not really.. yet |
| 03:21:49 | jmhodges | What? |
| 03:21:54 | jmhodges | what is going to happen? |
| 03:21:58 | jmhodges | is very nervouse now |
| 03:22:06 | Cloudchaser_ | hehe nothing going to happen |
| 03:22:09 | Cloudchaser_ | thats the problem |
| 03:22:10 | W|GGL|T | LOL |
| 03:22:12 | W|GGL|T | literally |
| 03:22:12 | Cloudchaser_ | it installs just fine |
| 03:22:26 | W|GGL|T | jmhodges: actually, just a glitch |
| 03:22:27 | Cloudchaser_ | but can't synch, ftp, |
| 03:22:42 | W|GGL|T | security patch that they added didn't go well |
| 03:22:44 | Cloudchaser_ | apparently someone secured it without telling kergoth |
| 03:22:49 | jmhodges | dammit |
| 03:22:52 | Cloudchaser_ | so secure its standalone |
| 03:22:57 | jmhodges | fucking hell |
| 03:22:59 | W|GGL|T | i should be able to ping, at least |
| 03:23:04 | jmhodges | im pissed |
| 03:23:31 | jmhodges | I have no ipkg |
| 03:23:33 | W|GGL|T | i go back to sharp rom now... |
| 03:23:38 | ljp | allow it to accept 'Any' |
| 03:23:40 | jmhodges | how should alleviate this problem? |
| 03:23:58 | jmhodges | wonders how one manually installs an ipk |
| 03:23:58 | ljp | manually install ipkg? |
| 03:24:00 | Cloudchaser_ | try that first W|GGL|T: |
| 03:24:19 | jmhodges | ljp: ipkg is MIA |
| 03:24:22 | ][N-Flux | how did best buy lose thier contract with Sharp? |
| 03:24:23 | jmhodges | on my Z |
| 03:24:23 | ljp | rename the ipkg to tar.gz |
| 03:24:35 | jmhodges | sweet |
| 03:24:39 | jmhodges | can do |
| 03:24:48 | ljp | two packages inside.. unpack data.tar.gz |
| 03:25:00 | jmhodges | ok |
| 03:25:35 | jmhodges | and then |
| 03:25:39 | jmhodges | ? |
| 03:27:04 | ljp | unpack it to / |
| 03:27:13 | ljp | on your z |
| 03:27:20 | jmhodges | figured thanks ljp |
| 03:27:57 | Wembly | influx: wha? |
| 03:28:35 | ljp | my poor poor car |
| 03:28:39 | jmhodges | hey Wembly havent seen ya around |
| 03:28:43 | Wembly | influx: what do you mean lose their contract with sharp? |
| 03:28:47 | jmhodges | whats up ljp? |
| 03:29:07 | Wembly | jmhodges: iv been around while you were here. |
| 03:29:38 | jmhodges | dammit i need to read the list more carefully then Wembly :) |
| 03:30:33 | ljp | ohh. .some guy slammed into the passenger side of my car.. in a parking lot |
| 03:30:47 | jmhodges | damn that sucks |
| 03:31:00 | Wembly | bibi |
| 03:31:56 | ljp | ya.. you should see it.. ouch |
| 03:32:07 | W|GGL|T | at least he didn't run |
| 03:32:11 | W|GGL|T | or did he? |
| 03:32:12 | ljp | true |
| 03:32:15 | ljp | no |
| 03:32:53 | ljp | still.. its too embarrassing to drive like that |
| 03:33:18 | ljp | duct tape a big piece of cardboard over the door ;) |
| 03:33:26 | W|GGL|T | and dealing with ANY insurance company sucks ass |
| 03:33:31 | ljp | like a bandaid |
| 03:33:40 | ljp | ya, I know |
| 03:34:22 | ljp | well, qtopiadekstop source wont be available at opis.us.. just read TT's reply.. hehehe |
| 03:34:33 | ljp | first time it didnt crash with kde3 tho |
| 03:38:42 | NeoTron | hey ppl go buy Candy Cruncher. Cool puzzle indeed. :) |
| 03:38:57 | NeoTron | ljp: well, they have previously claimed it will remain closed source |
| 03:39:10 | NeoTron | not much of an issue if they at least made the fupping thing work |
| 03:39:24 | ljp | hahaha.. too bad I cant distribute it |
| 03:39:40 | NeoTron | just make a replacement. :P |
| 03:39:49 | W|GGL|T | notes sharp and trolltech keep pretty good company...building sorry assed apps |
| 03:39:51 | ljp | opiedesktop |
| 03:40:17 | tux_mike | well, we will be getting kitchensync |
| 03:40:57 | ljp | change a few line numbers, and variable names, they'll never know.... oh ya.. that only works for BASIC |
| 03:41:10 | tux_mike | lol |
| 03:41:34 | ljp | ya, as soon as kde pim gets fixed |
| 03:46:15 | tux_mike | my friend told me a great story of a client of his... |
| 03:46:43 | jmhodges | yeah tux_mike ? |
| 03:46:49 | tux_mike | this lady was bragging about this at her workplace, there was construction in one area, and she wasn't about to wait for it. so after stopping, she drove around the barracades, right through the road that the workers were working on |
| 03:47:03 | tux_mike | and her car starts to sink into wet cement. she goes and floors the car, spraying concrete *everywhere*, eventually getting free. then she high-tailed it to the car wash, with workers trying to persue her on foot. |
| 03:47:15 | tux_mike | why would one brag about that? and why would someone drive through what workers are working on, one should think that there's wet cemet or a big fscking hole there or something |
| 03:48:18 | jmhodges | lol |
| 03:48:33 | jmhodges | wtf was she thinking? |
| 03:48:45 | tux_mike | who knows |
| 03:48:58 | ljp | probably took her longer to wash her car than if she had waited |
| 03:49:11 | tux_mike | yah |
| 03:49:28 | jmhodges | hmm.. |
| 03:49:37 | jmhodges | *** resolv.conf (Y/I/N/O/D) [default=N] ? Y |
| 03:49:37 | jmhodges | Configuring oz-base...Done |
| 03:49:39 | jmhodges | and then |
| 03:49:41 | tux_mike | prolly didn't get all the cement off |
| 03:49:47 | jmhodges | => `/tmp/ipkg-I2OzNO/pcmcia-cs_3.1.34-2b_arm.ipk' |
| 03:49:47 | jmhodges | Resolving openzaurus.sourceforge.net... failed: Host not found. |
| 03:50:07 | jmhodges | uh.. is there someway oz-base can be tossed to the end? |
| 03:50:12 | jmhodges | so as to avoid this situation? |
| 03:51:11 | jmhodges | or can i just hit N ? |
| 03:51:21 | Rascal | does anyone know where the bootflag.txt file is? |
| 03:51:29 | tux_mike | and what do the o and d options do? |
| 03:51:43 | Rascal | or do we not need it now? |
| 03:52:06 | Rascal | kergoth, do we not need the bootflag.txt file anymore? |
| 03:52:53 | tux_mike | Rascal: echo "OZ30" > bootflag.txt |
| 03:53:05 | Rascal | cool thx |
| 03:53:19 | kergoth | jmhodges: what situation? |
| 03:53:21 | kergoth | re |
| 03:53:27 | kergoth | just got back from gettin groceries |
| 03:53:31 | jmhodges | well now therees this one ::: Package opie-taskbar (0.9.1-20020717.1) installed in root is up to date |
| 03:53:32 | jmhodges | ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for opie-tetrix: |
| 03:53:32 | jmhodges | qpe ($QPE_VERSION) |
| 03:53:57 | kergoth | jmhodges: opie-tetrix depends on 'qpe'? there is no qpe package |
| 03:53:59 | kergoth | odd |
| 03:54:22 | jmhodges | kergoth: i was doing an ipkg upgrade and it installed oz-base and resolv.conf got overwritten (as i thought i was supposed to let happen) and then it went on to try to install other things |
| 03:54:27 | jmhodges | kergoth: that was taskbar |
| 03:54:31 | jmhodges | kergoth: not tetrix |
| 03:54:43 | jmhodges | kergoth: SHIT |
| 03:54:48 | jmhodges | kergoth: n/m im an idiot |
| 03:54:48 | kergoth | jmhodges: opie-taskbar doesnt depend on qpe. |
| 03:54:49 | jmhodges | ick |
| 03:54:52 | kergoth | k |
| 03:54:54 | jmhodges | kergoth: misread |
| 03:55:29 | kergoth | jmhodges: there's nothing wrong with oz-base being upgraded. some files are conffiles, which means you get the choice of whether to keep your own (possibly customized) versions or to replace them with defaults. |
| 03:55:36 | Rascal | so what major bugs does this version of OZ have? |
| 03:55:44 | Rascal | or are we relatively bugfree? |
| 03:55:55 | jmhodges | ok i got told that i couldnt let my files stay there. . tahts all i needed to know |
| 03:56:12 | kergoth | Rascal: syncing is broken. period. one of the opie team applied a security fix from trolltech that makes it only function with qtopia desktop 1.5.1 and later. problem is, trolltech hasnt made 1.5.1 or later available yet! |
| 03:56:30 | Rascal | lol |
| 03:56:43 | Rascal | bravo on TT's part |
| 03:56:51 | kergoth | Rascal: to my knowledge everything else is fine. I'm doing a maintainance upgrade rom soon to revert the patch |
| 03:56:58 | tux_mike | TT is begining to tick me off |
| 03:57:02 | kergoth | Rascal: yes, the fix is good.. but we were alittle ahead of the game |
| 03:57:04 | jmhodges | shakes his head at the astounding badness tt creates |
| 03:57:26 | Rascal | that can be construed as a good thing then. |
| 03:57:58 | ljp | kergoth: I got ftp working on oz.. you have to accept 'Any' and password 'Qtopia' and 'Accept' the messagebox that pops up on the Z |
| 03:57:58 | kergoth | Rascal: yes. |
| 03:58:16 | kergoth | ljp: ah.. if you dont use Qtopia, there is no Accept button |
| 03:58:18 | kergoth | ljp: heheh |
| 03:58:55 | Rascal | so I see Qtopia is beginning to apply passwords. it's about damn time. |
| 03:59:07 | kergoth | yeah no kidding |
| 03:59:19 | kergoth | though there 'fix' isnt exactly secure either |
| 03:59:24 | kergoth | but its an improvement.. sort of |
| 03:59:34 | Rascal | true |
| 03:59:41 | jmhodges | hehehe |
| 04:00:30 | jmhodges | um.. i can ftp in .. im guessing this is just the rom? or ftp'ing using qtopiadestkop? cause.. i dunno .. maybe im missing something |
| 04:00:48 | kergoth | jmhodges: ftping to port 4242 |
| 04:00:56 | jmhodges | uh i did that |
| 04:01:00 | kergoth | jmhodges: qtopia desktop doesnt use ftp, iirc it uses qcop over port 4243 |
| 04:01:00 | jmhodges | um.. |
| 04:01:06 | jmhodges | right |
| 04:01:07 | jmhodges | well ok |
| 04:01:09 | jmhodges | :/ |
| 04:01:10 | kergoth | jmhodges: okay read what ljp said again |
| 04:01:31 | kergoth | jmhodges: you set security to Any, log into the ftp server with password Qtopia, and when a security dialog pops up on the Z, hit accept |
| 04:01:34 | jmhodges | but but ..ljp> kergoth: I got ftp working on oz.. you have to accept 'Any' and password 'Qtopia' and 'Accept' the messagebox that pops up on the Z |
| 04:01:41 | kergoth | yes, exactly |
| 04:01:48 | kergoth | i dont see where the confusion sets in |
| 04:01:55 | kergoth | you still cant sync |
| 04:01:59 | kergoth | he got ftp working via port 4242 |
| 04:02:05 | jmhodges | ah ok |
| 04:02:08 | jmhodges | right i though.. |
| 04:02:10 | jmhodges | n/m |
| 04:02:13 | jmhodges | i shouldnt be up |
| 04:02:17 | kergoth | lol |
| 04:02:19 | jmhodges | goes to bed |
| 04:02:22 | jmhodges | gnight folks |
| 04:02:23 | kergoth | i just got a fresh bout of caffeine myself |
| 04:02:24 | kergoth | night |
| 04:02:34 | | dwmw2 was last seen on #opie 1 days, 19 hours, 52 minutes and 28 seconds ago, saying: too early [Tue Jul 16 09:10:06 2002] |
| 04:02:34 | kergoth | ibot: seen dwmw2? |
| 04:02:37 | kergoth | grr! |
| 04:02:43 | kergoth | mtd doesnt like me |
| 04:03:00 | Rascal | I think I permanently hosed my zaurus.. |
| 04:03:24 | Rascal | oh well replacement plans are good.. |
| 04:05:32 | jmhodges | quick question |
| 04:05:48 | jmhodges | im having problems knowing the "right" length of time to hold Cancel to make my Z come out of suspend |
| 04:05:53 | jmhodges | (oz of cousre) |
| 04:07:09 | tux_mike | jmhodges: usually about a second, if not a little less |
| 04:07:33 | jmhodges | k |
| 04:07:55 | jmhodges | im just used to being able to hold it down for however long.. |
| 04:08:01 | jmhodges | maybe im crazy |
| 04:08:09 | jmhodges | thanks tux_mike |
| 04:08:26 | tux_mike | np |
| 04:09:46 | sig | sup foos |
| 04:11:53 | kergoth | gahhh |
| 04:11:56 | kergoth | growls |
| 04:12:02 | tux_mike | what's wrong? |
| 04:12:18 | kergoth | 2.5.21-rmk1-cl1 doesnt mount the rootfs on the Z anymore :-( |
| 04:12:20 | kergoth | i lost the code |
| 04:12:28 | tux_mike | doh |
| 04:12:35 | kergoth | i have like 8 kernel trees, all similar, on various boxes, in various states of operation |
| 04:12:37 | tux_mike | why you going for the 2.5 series? |
| 04:12:44 | tux_mike | lol |
| 04:12:48 | kergoth | I thought I had all the right pieces gathered in this tree.. guess not... hehe |
| 04:13:14 | kergoth | because I dont want to take the code in such a direction that rmk and friends say hey, you know, we're getting rid of that eventually anyway |
| 04:13:35 | kergoth | so i'm learning hte direction they're heading.. porting it to 2.5.x, then backporting to 2.4.19 |
| 04:13:43 | kergoth | fun stuff. learning a lot |
| 04:14:22 | sig | is back |
| 04:14:24 | sig | works sucks |
| 04:14:35 | sig | I need to win the lottery |
| 04:14:45 | tux_mike | i wonder if i won |
| 04:14:47 | kergoth | hah, you and everyone else |
| 04:15:08 | sig | I'd become a pr0n star I think |
| 04:15:08 | sig | :) |
| 04:15:14 | sig | lol |
| 04:17:09 | kergoth | that reminds me of office space |
| 04:17:25 | sig | kergoth: lol |
| 04:17:28 | kergoth | "what about you peter? what would you do with a million dollars?" .. "...absolutely nothing." |
| 04:17:34 | Rascal | haha.. I crack myself up |
| 04:17:38 | sig | heh |
| 04:17:48 | Rascal | I thought my zaurus was hosed.. but I just forgot to flip the switch |
| 04:17:52 | kergoth | lol |
| 04:17:57 | kergoth | its late, we understand |
| 04:17:57 | Rascal | don't you hate that? |
| 04:18:07 | Rascal | ya.. I've had a long long day |
| 04:18:16 | kergoth | know how that goes |
| 04:18:37 | kergoth | eats his cheez-its and gets back to codin |
| 04:20:08 | kergoth | gah i spend more time waiting for compiles and waiting for scp's to complete than i do actually coding |
| 04:20:16 | Rascal | where's the opie checkbook? |
| 04:20:20 | kergoth | in the feed |
| 04:20:22 | kergoth | opie-checkbook |
| 04:20:27 | Rascal | oh ok |
| 04:20:40 | kergoth | its still pretty basic |
| 04:20:43 | kergoth | but its a starting point |
| 04:22:47 | tux_mike | kergoth: did you pre-install all the styles and the handwriting input method? |
| 04:23:36 | Rascal | kergoth, do I still need to run opie update? |
| 04:24:09 | Rascal | nm |
| 04:25:22 | ljp | think it's ok to eat leftover pizza thats beenin a car wreck? |
| 04:25:37 | tux_mike | how long ago was the car wreck? |
| 04:26:01 | kergoth | tux_mike: handwriting yes, not the styles.. |
| 04:26:03 | ljp | 6 hours |
| 04:26:08 | kergoth | ljp: i'd eat it |
| 04:26:10 | kergoth | ljp: hehe |
| 04:26:18 | tux_mike | ok, where did you get hit? |
| 04:26:20 | ljp | I am I'm starving |
| 04:26:22 | whardier | mm |
| 04:26:23 | whardier | food |
| 04:26:24 | whardier | that sounds |
| 04:26:25 | whardier | good |
| 04:26:27 | tux_mike | kergoth: cool |
| 04:26:37 | ljp | in a parking lot of a mall |
| 04:26:37 | kergoth | cheez-its are good. |
| 04:26:38 | tux_mike | shall install new OZ tomorey |
| 04:26:46 | tux_mike | ljp: where on the car? |
| 04:26:58 | kergoth | tux_mike: fyi there are sync issues. we installed a security patch from trolltech that broke some things |
| 04:27:00 | [DrEvil] | kergoth |
| 04:27:06 | tux_mike | kergoth: i sync not |
| 04:27:12 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: yeh? |
| 04:27:14 | ljp | passenger side door is caved in |
| 04:27:22 | kergoth | eh that really sucks ljp |
| 04:27:28 | tux_mike | was the pizza on the passenger side? |
| 04:27:31 | [DrEvil] | why are there two zimage-40-24 on SF? |
| 04:27:36 | ljp | I just didn't want to eat food that had some bad violent karma.. ;) |
| 04:27:56 | tux_mike | ljp: bah, no such thing as karma |
| 04:28:03 | [DrEvil] | I see two links for the same file |
| 04:28:03 | [DrEvil] | I think they are the same file |
| 04:28:20 | [DrEvil] | they are the same size |
| 04:28:31 | tux_mike | same checksum? |
| 04:28:46 | ljp | hehehe I know.. I just said that cause I live near Boulder, Co |
| 04:28:49 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: no idea.. SF fucked up somewhere, i need to submit a support request. |
| 04:29:16 | [DrEvil] | it doesn't tell you the checksum |
| 04:29:22 | tux_mike | ljp: well, i guess the pizza will be good as long as no blood or antifreeze got on it |
| 04:29:41 | kergoth | tux_mike: hey, you can eat blood |
| 04:29:44 | kergoth | hehe |
| 04:29:49 | [DrEvil] | haggis |
| 04:29:55 | tux_mike | but it can be diseased |
| 04:30:05 | tux_mike | plus blood tastes nasty |
| 04:30:20 | Rascal | does anyone know how to copy opera over from 2.37 to OZ? |
| 04:31:00 | kergoth | Rascal: with cp? :-P |
| 04:31:07 | ljp | no.. no leaking fluids involved, thanksfully |
| 04:31:09 | Rascal | doh.. really? |
| 04:31:10 | kergoth | man, i want to shoot the fuckers sending html email to mailing lists |
| 04:31:17 | tux_mike | ljp: your car totaled? |
| 04:31:25 | ljp | no.. I drove home |
| 04:31:40 | kergoth | Rascal: i wrote a script to create ipks out of the stuff on the sharp rom, but its flaky. last i checked ben meyer was working on such scripts. he's done with the script for hancom |
| 04:31:44 | tux_mike | cool... who did fault lie on? |
| 04:31:48 | [DrEvil] | someone needs to combine a script that makes ipk's of the commercial stuff from the Sharp ROM |
| 04:31:49 | Rascal | I meant what libraries |
| 04:31:54 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: already written |
| 04:32:02 | ljp | the other guy.. |
| 04:32:07 | tux_mike | Rascal: copy ldd over to your z and see |
| 04:32:07 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: multiple times actually. hehe |
| 04:32:14 | ljp | he apologized and admitted it.. ;) |
| 04:32:25 | [DrEvil] | kergoth: yes... |
| 04:32:29 | Rascal | kergoth do you have the ipk? |
| 04:32:38 | kergoth | Rascal: if i did, i couldnt legally distribute it |
| 04:32:40 | [DrEvil] | but |
| 04:32:40 | [DrEvil] | show me the money |
| 04:32:44 | kergoth | hah |
| 04:32:52 | tux_mike | ljp: that's good. |
| 04:33:03 | tux_mike | no raising insurance rates for you |
| 04:33:07 | kergoth | well i dont have time atm to nail down the scripts. pester benmeyer. he's dealt with them more recent than it |
| 04:33:10 | kergoth | s/it/i/ |
| 04:33:10 | tux_mike | CO requires insurance? |
| 04:33:19 | [DrEvil] | there are kergoth's scripts that don't work according to him |
| 04:33:20 | Rascal | k |
| 04:33:36 | [DrEvil] | then there are the benmeyer scripts |
| 04:33:36 | [DrEvil] | we need one happy script to do it |
| 04:33:44 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: they worked last time i checked, which was on a 1.02 rom.... lmao |
| 04:33:55 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: maybe they still do, who knows. i havent touched mine though |
| 04:34:16 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: ben's hancom script works, but he hasnt finished the scripts for java or opera yet. so pester him to finish ;-) |
| 04:34:21 | [DrEvil] | I was in 2 car wrecks in the same year |
| 04:34:21 | [DrEvil] | neither my fault |
| 04:34:46 | Rascal | don't think i've ever seen him |
| 04:34:58 | [DrEvil] | ahh |
| 04:34:58 | [DrEvil] | ok |
| 04:35:02 | tux_mike | i've not had a car crash in a long time |
| 04:35:09 | Rascal | how would I find what libraries I need? |
| 04:35:11 | tux_mike | the closest thing was me getting run off the road by a truck |
| 04:35:15 | tux_mike | and clipping my mirror |
| 04:35:16 | [DrEvil] | he *is* working on the other stuff |
| 04:35:16 | [DrEvil] | feels better now |
| 04:35:32 | [DrEvil] | I am going to get a lawyer |
| 04:35:38 | w00t | hi guys |
| 04:35:43 | [DrEvil] | I am tired of dealing with other people's insurance companies |
| 04:35:55 | w00t | i have a question |
| 04:36:08 | ljp | this was my first in.. ohh.. since 1983 |
| 04:36:20 | kergoth | dood, i wouldve been 3 years old then |
| 04:36:23 | kergoth | hehe |
| 04:36:23 | tux_mike | ljp: that's a good record |
| 04:36:25 | [DrEvil] | the answer is 42 |
| 04:36:27 | tux_mike | better than most |
| 04:36:34 | [DrEvil] | or |
| 04:36:36 | ljp | 3? really? |
| 04:36:40 | [DrEvil] | yes OZ has a new beta |
| 04:36:42 | tux_mike | same here |
| 04:36:42 | w00t | is there a media player for the zaurus that can receive a live audio stream over the CF wireless LAN via Shout/Icecast |
| 04:36:46 | ljp | suddently feels old |
| 04:36:53 | tux_mike | kergoth: you're only 22? |
| 04:37:02 | kergoth | tux_mike: yeah |
| 04:37:08 | Rascal | ya zradio |
| 04:37:13 | tux_mike | i always thought you were a bit older |
| 04:37:17 | Rascal | it's kinda buggy though.. |
| 04:37:19 | w00t | zradio? |
| 04:37:21 | [DrEvil] | at least ljp seems older than me |
| 04:37:24 | w00t | really? |
| 04:37:30 | Rascal | ya |
| 04:37:31 | tux_mike | ah well, i suck for guessing things about people :) |
| 04:37:31 | ljp | seems? |
| 04:37:32 | w00t | hmm...thx - ill do some research |
| 04:37:32 | w00t | is it open source?? |
| 04:37:40 | Rascal | dunnoo |
| 04:37:54 | w00t | cool |
| 04:37:55 | tux_mike | i used mpg321 |
| 04:37:57 | [DrEvil] | wereyou legally driving in 1983? |
| 04:38:02 | tux_mike | but it was unbuffered |
| 04:38:25 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 04:38:27 | W|GGL|T | i was |
| 04:38:28 | w00t | tux - u talking to me? |
| 04:38:32 | tux_mike | yah |
| 04:38:41 | ljp | yes |
| 04:38:51 | W|GGL|T | old buzzards in here |
| 04:38:53 | W|GGL|T | hehe |
| 04:38:59 | [DrEvil] | I was't legally driving till 1985 |
| 04:39:00 | ljp | been driving legally since 1981 |
| 04:39:00 | [DrEvil] | so there |
| 04:39:22 | sig | lol |
| 04:39:26 | kergoth | i've been driving legally since.. 1997? hehe |
| 04:39:27 | w00t | tux: mpg321 can pull from the a wireless audio stream |
| 04:39:27 | sig | you guys are old! |
| 04:39:29 | kergoth | shuts up |
| 04:39:33 | w00t | ? |
| 04:39:35 | tux_mike | 1996 for me. |
| 04:39:37 | W|GGL|T | kergoth: LOL |
| 04:39:49 | sig | I'm only 24 |
| 04:39:52 | kergoth | tux_mike: how old are you again? |
| 04:39:56 | tux_mike | 22 |
| 04:40:01 | sig | you guys driving since the 80's are old.... lol |
| 04:40:01 | kergoth | ah |
| 04:40:03 | W|GGL|T | is 34 |
| 04:40:07 | ljp | hahaha |
| 04:40:10 | W|GGL|T | thinks ljp is older |
| 04:40:11 | W|GGL|T | hehe |
| 04:40:14 | [DrEvil] | the 80's were the best decade |
| 04:40:15 | KhensU | heh young whippersnapers |
| 04:40:18 | kergoth | hehe |
| 04:40:21 | W|GGL|T | sig: lol |
| 04:40:24 | sig | haha |
| 04:40:25 | ljp | i'm so old, I forgot how old I am |
| 04:40:31 | sig | ljp: heh |
| 04:40:35 | ljp | what year is it? |
| 04:40:37 | [DrEvil] | I had my wonderful old land yacht |
| 04:41:07 | tux_mike | ljp: i don't think that's age, because i always forget how old i am. and i'm 22... yah, 22. and i tend to forget my birthday too |
| 04:41:12 | [DrEvil] | didn't have to change the oil |
| 04:41:12 | [DrEvil] | only the filter |
| 04:41:15 | [DrEvil] | it never had dirty oil in it |
| 04:41:15 | [DrEvil] | heh |
| 04:41:34 | ljp | damn.. its been 10 years since I was in Alaska... |
| 04:41:40 | kergoth | argh |
| 04:41:51 | kergoth | wtf am i doing wrong here |
| 04:41:55 | w00t | thx guys |
| 04:42:00 | Rascal | kergoth. congrats on this rom.. |
| 04:42:05 | w00t | ill do some research on those apps u recommended |
| 04:42:06 | Rascal | this is a nice build |
| 04:42:12 | ljp | dont know.. whipper-snapper |
| 04:42:34 | w00t | rascal, which ROM u talking about? |
| 04:42:43 | Rascal | OZ |
| 04:43:01 | w00t | oh, ok |
| 04:43:21 | sig | Rascal: 10.3? |
| 04:43:28 | sig | whats the url |
| 04:43:31 | w00t | will it run on the SL5000D? |
| 04:43:36 | Rascal | yes |
| 04:43:39 | kergoth | 10.4 actually, otherwise known as 2.9.4 in the new versioning system |
| 04:43:41 | kergoth | hehe |
| 04:44:05 | w00t | bye guys |
| 04:44:06 | sig | whats the url kergoth |
| 04:44:08 | sig | I'll try the oz |
| 04:44:09 | sig | rom |
| 04:44:13 | [DrEvil] | is that like Windows 5.666? |
| 04:44:14 | kergoth | scatters printk's throughout the mtd layer |
| 04:45:00 | Rascal | kergoth, next rom you should replace the opie-filemanager with the opie-advancefm. |
| 04:45:06 | Rascal | I think it's cleaner |
| 04:45:10 | kergoth | Rascal: i'm sure ljp would agree with you |
| 04:45:12 | kergoth | Rascal: hehe |
| 04:45:33 | kergoth | Rascal: send me an email regarding any opinions you have, including that one, otherwise i wont remember come the next rom |
| 04:45:43 | kergoth | hehe |
| 04:45:49 | Rascal | np |
| 04:46:10 | Rascal | so it will not sync at all eh? |
| 04:46:19 | sig | whats the url for the 2.9.4 ROM or 10.3? |
| 04:46:22 | sig | waits |
| 04:46:24 | kergoth | Rascal: not currently. ljp found out how to make ftp to 4242 work again |
| 04:46:42 | kergoth | sig: |
| 04:46:46 | | somebody said openzaurus was a Community version of the operating environment for the Sharp Zaurus SL-5x00[d] PDA. See http://openzaurus.sf.net/. or http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/ |
| 04:46:46 | kergoth | ibot: openzaurus? |
| 04:47:01 | Rascal | I just need to install qtopia on my linux machine. |
| 04:47:05 | kergoth | its on sf |
| 04:47:07 | kergoth | hey catalin |
| 04:47:11 | Rascal | then I'll see if we can write scripts to sync data |
| 04:47:17 | kergoth | ah |
| 04:47:29 | kergoth | well in the new rom, until i put out the maintainance release, stick to scp :-) |
| 04:47:49 | Rascal | does sftp not work? |
| 04:48:23 | sig | what image do i need to download? |
| 04:48:31 | sig | what is with all the diff images? |
| 04:49:09 | W|GGL|T | readme :o) |
| 04:49:16 | sig | hah |
| 04:49:17 | W|GGL|T | smoke time |
| 04:50:51 | kergoth | Rascal: its just sync and ftp that have issues. anything else should be fine. |
| 04:51:07 | ljp | and you can now beam files away |
| 04:52:02 | tux_mike | ljp: what did you test beaming against? |
| 04:52:27 | sig | kergoth: so what is the best ROM image for a 5500? |
| 04:52:36 | sig | if they all add up to 64 whats the diff? |
| 04:52:48 | ljp | sharps rom |
| 04:53:26 | Rascal | kergoth, mind if you help me figure out why oipkg keeps hosing up on me when I install to /mnt/card? |
| 04:53:33 | tux_mike | did you test the adressbook? |
| 04:53:52 | sig | W|GGL|T: explain this to me if you don't mind. |
| 04:54:00 | Rascal | sig: it make for more memory on the zaurus |
| 04:54:10 | Rascal | sig: ever get that out of memory error? |
| 04:54:17 | sig | Rascal: no, not yet |
| 04:54:31 | Rascal | well it's like adding more ram to your pc.. |
| 04:54:39 | sig | Rascal: what is? |
| 04:54:46 | Rascal | the differnt rom packages.. |
| 04:54:51 | sig | hmm |
| 04:54:57 | sig | I'm asking whats the best? |
| 04:55:00 | Rascal | like the 40-24 |
| 04:55:08 | Rascal | 46-28 |
| 04:55:11 | Rascal | etc.. |
| 04:55:17 | sig | they all equal 64 |
| 04:55:24 | sig | for the 5500 |
| 04:55:37 | Rascal | ya but the first number designates the amout of ram that's usable for memory |
| 04:55:53 | Rascal | go to system info screen on your Z |
| 04:55:55 | sig | hmm |
| 04:56:07 | sig | I'm not sure I'm understanding this |
| 04:56:13 | sig | what does the Sharp ROM run? |
| 04:56:18 | Rascal | 32-32 |
| 04:56:18 | kergoth | Rascal: yeah i can help |
| 04:56:20 | Speedy2 | The Sharp Zaurus |
| 04:56:35 | Rascal | goto the system info on your zaurus |
| 04:56:38 | Rascal | and look in memory.. |
| 04:56:41 | sig | hmm, maybe I'll grab the 32-32 then |
| 04:56:52 | Rascal | that'll show you how much memory you have free for programs to execute on your ram |
| 04:57:40 | Rascal | kergoth, it keeps giving me this message: Could not open: //usr/lib/ipkg//info/neocal-qtopia.list |
| 04:58:02 | kergoth | Rascal: /usr/lib/ipkg? looks like its expecting it to be installed to flash. odd. |
| 04:58:07 | Rascal | sig: the more ram you have the more programs you can have running simultaneously or the larger programs.. |
| 04:58:27 | sig | Rascal: I see |
| 04:58:29 | tux_mike | i want to make a solid wood computer case |
| 04:58:44 | Rascal | kergoth: I am installing it to SD if that help |
| 04:58:45 | sig | I haven't had a problem with memory with the sharp ROM so I"ll grab the 32-32 |
| 04:58:53 | Rascal | s/help/helps |
| 04:59:06 | kergoth | Rascal: hm. try ipkg -d sd install blah from the command line. see if that succeeds. |
| 04:59:20 | Rascal | kergoth: I'm pretty sure it succeds but no links |
| 05:00:30 | sig | how do i install this image to the z? |
| 05:00:40 | kergoth | sig: PLEASE read INSTALL |
| 05:00:50 | sig | hah |
| 05:00:59 | kergoth | damn users. :-P |
| 05:01:13 | kergoth | Rascal: so its oipkg specific. odd |
| 05:01:15 | sig | kergoth: hah, i just haven't used one of these open z roms |
| 05:01:34 | Rascal | kergoth: nm it installed.. |
| 05:01:43 | kergoth | Rascal: err.. ? |
| 05:01:45 | Rascal | and it seems to have made the links.. |
| 05:01:48 | kergoth | hah |
| 05:01:49 | sig | kergoth: hah, i cant' install them anyways, i only have SD cards |
| 05:01:51 | Rascal | let me double check though.. |
| 05:01:51 | kergoth | so the error was harmless? |
| 05:02:02 | Rascal | ya the error was harmless I suppose.. |
| 05:02:07 | Rascal | let me check the links though.. |
| 05:02:07 | kergoth | sig: ah.. yeah I should throw together a romimage for use with the sharp update app |
| 05:02:18 | kergoth | sig: you can get a 16mb or 32mb cf card for dirt cheap ;-) |
| 05:02:32 | sig | kergoth: I'll have to do that |
| 05:03:21 | NeoTron | so after adding a document how do I make it appear in documents w/o requiring qtopia restrt? |
| 05:04:11 | Rascal | it mounted it to /mnt/ram not /mnt/card.. |
| 05:04:18 | Rascal | gonna check my ipkg.conf |
| 05:04:29 | kergoth | Rascal: hmm /mnt/ram should be the mountpoint for your ramdisk... |
| 05:05:07 | Rascal | and I specified sd.. |
| 05:05:16 | Rascal | the ipkg.conf file is set up properly too |
| 05:05:23 | Rascal | that is way odd |
| 05:10:02 | Rascal | I've tried installing that file again and now I can't even find it.. |
| 05:12:24 | Rascal | kergoth, for some reason it keeps installing that file to my ramdisk |
| 05:15:26 | kergoth | Rascal: wtf. whats the default dest set to in Setup? |
| 05:16:56 | Rascal | that's when I install from commandline |
| 05:17:10 | Rascal | ipkg -d sd install neocal-qtopia |
| 05:17:14 | kergoth | whats the first dest listed in /etc/ipkg.conf? |
| 05:17:19 | kergoth | i think the first one is the default one |
| 05:17:34 | kergoth | ipkg can be flaky, i've seen it do that exact thing before |
| 05:17:35 | Rascal | root / |
| 05:17:44 | kergoth | I think its something oipkg does that make ipkg start misbehaving |
| 05:17:46 | kergoth | i'd reboot the Z |
| 05:17:52 | Rascal | k |
| 05:17:53 | kergoth | or wipe the /tmp/* |
| 05:17:55 | kergoth | or something |
| 05:18:01 | kergoth | i'm getting tired. need more caffeine |
| 05:18:02 | kergoth | hehe |
| 05:18:09 | Rascal | haha.. sounds like a windows machine now.. |
| 05:18:17 | Rascal | who ever heard of rebooting a linux box? |
| 05:18:24 | kergoth | oipkg: we turn linux into windows! |
| 05:18:24 | Rascal | ;) |
| 05:18:31 | Rascal | lol |
| 05:18:59 | Rascal | 1:27am up 194 days, 12:39, 7 users, load average: 0.07, 0.04, 0.00 |
| 05:19:14 | kergoth | heheh |
| 05:19:18 | kergoth | thats not your Z right? |
| 05:19:19 | kergoth | hehe |
| 05:19:23 | Rascal | nope |
| 05:19:32 | Rascal | hope it'll be that one day |
| 05:19:40 | kergoth | woo, i found the problem with my mtd shit |
| 05:19:42 | kergoth | sa1100_locate_flash: nr is -19<6> |
| 05:19:47 | kergoth | nr is supposed to be 1, not -19 |
| 05:19:50 | kergoth | hehe |
| 05:19:52 | kergoth | wtf |
| 05:20:23 | Rascal | is that your cf? |
| 05:21:37 | Rascal | wtf? it's still installing to ramdisk |
| 05:21:40 | Rascal | sigh.. |
| 05:21:48 | Rascal | now I gotta go cleanup |
| 05:22:11 | kergoth | weird. |
| 05:22:23 | kergoth | nah i'm trying to get the rootfs to mount in the 2.5.21 kernel on my Z |
| 05:22:55 | Rascal | 2.5.21? |
| 05:23:04 | Rascal | what'd they add to that kernel? |
| 05:23:19 | Rascal | I havent even checked out beta kernels since 2.3 |
| 05:23:50 | kergoth | shitloads of stuff. they've revamped numerous things all over the place.. the port has involved a lot of changed interfaces |
| 05:24:07 | kergoth | its a huge improvement over 2.4, but obviously it still has stability issues, which is why its still dev, not stable :-) |
| 05:24:45 | Rascal | sounds promising |
| 05:25:34 | Rascal | wierd. |
| 05:25:41 | Rascal | I think i've found the error |
| 05:26:27 | kergoth | ..? |
| 05:26:54 | Rascal | the sd /mnt/card destination was messed up in the setup |
| 05:27:02 | Rascal | it's like that on default. |
| 05:27:11 | Rascal | you might want to let the oipkg guys know that |
| 05:27:25 | kergoth | hmmm k will do |
| 05:27:36 | kergoth | i'll dig into it |
| 05:27:49 | Rascal | you know how in setup there's the name and url for destination. |
| 05:27:58 | Rascal | well sd /mnt/card is all on the name |
| 05:28:08 | Rascal | when it should be sd=name url=/mnt/card |
| 05:28:57 | Rascal | ya it setup the symlinks properly |
| 05:29:34 | kergoth | thats weird. |
| 05:29:36 | kergoth | works now? |
| 05:29:46 | Rascal | hmm.. not really.. |
| 05:29:52 | Rascal | now I'm getting that same error I used to get.. |
| 05:30:03 | Rascal | it'll say configuring done. |
| 05:30:11 | Rascal | then it'll say below that. |
| 05:30:15 | Rascal | Could not open: |
| 05:31:01 | Rascal | "/mnt/card//user/lib/ipkg//info//neocal-qtopia" |
| 05:31:04 | Rascal | could not open: |
| 05:31:17 | Rascal | "//usr/lib/ipkg//info//neocal-qtopia.list" |
| 05:31:24 | Rascal | Panik! |
| 05:31:33 | kergoth | shoots oipkg |
| 05:31:37 | Rascal | then at the bottom All done. |
| 05:31:49 | Rascal | and the program starts leaking memory now |
| 05:32:30 | Rascal | oh wait that leak is gone.. |
| 05:32:52 | Rascal | do you know what's going on? |
| 05:33:17 | Rascal | if I make the symlink from /usr/lib/ipkg/info/neocal-qtopia.list->/mnt/card/... |
| 05:33:19 | Rascal | then it works |
| 05:33:37 | kergoth | hm, you shouldnt have that link |
| 05:33:47 | kergoth | it is supposed to install into the ipkg databse on the card, not on the flash. odd |
| 05:34:04 | kergoth | ahaha i was looking at source code in a web browser and hit :q! |
| 05:34:13 | kergoth | Note to self: mozilla is not vi |
| 05:34:15 | kergoth | lol |
| 05:34:25 | Rascal | lol |
| 05:34:35 | Rascal | I do that on MS notepad |
| 05:34:39 | Rascal | or I type ls on DOS |
| 05:34:47 | Rascal | it's just a habit |
| 05:34:53 | kergoth | yeah |
| 05:35:04 | Rascal | has anyone tried porting vim over to Z? |
| 05:35:14 | Rascal | it'd be nice to have syn-highlighting |
| 05:36:06 | Rascal | kergoth: I think it's the package. |
| 05:36:07 | kergoth | not sure.. yes it would |
| 05:36:14 | kergoth | i know mark was working on kvim/e |
| 05:36:15 | oGMo | are there any terminals which actually support color? |
| 05:36:18 | kergoth | hmm |
| 05:36:20 | kergoth | oGMo: yep |
| 05:36:24 | Rascal | because it's reinstalling back to /mnt/ram |
| 05:36:36 | kergoth | Rascal: thats so fucked up |
| 05:36:40 | kergoth | hmm |
| 05:36:43 | Rascal | let me try another prog |
| 05:36:44 | oGMo | i'd settle for one that i could send signals to ;) i always forget and type ping <host> without a -c |
| 05:36:53 | Rascal | never needed that damn calculator |
| 05:37:04 | kergoth | oGMo: in opie you can send a ctrl+c in the inputmethods, or from the hardware keyboard |
| 05:37:15 | oGMo | kergoth: nifty |
| 05:37:20 | kergoth | oGMo: and you have color. and openzaurus includes ls that supports --color |
| 05:37:26 | kergoth | i love color ls output |
| 05:37:31 | NeoTron | anyone know how I can create a new document (image) and get it to immediately show up in the documents tab? |
| 05:37:33 | W|GGL|T | is away: nite all |
| 05:37:37 | NeoTron | I use QImage.save to create it |
| 05:37:38 | Rascal | in sharp you can just download new busybox |
| 05:37:48 | kergoth | NeoTron: use a qcop message to tell qtopia to refresh its docs |
| 05:37:49 | oGMo | i really should try and build/find an opie rom, 'cept i want to pull off opera and stuff just in case (already got the hancom stuff) |
| 05:37:55 | NeoTron | kergoth: which is? :) |
| 05:37:58 | oGMo | kergoth: ninice |
| 05:38:01 | oGMo | 'nice' |
| 05:38:08 | kergoth | NeoTron: damn, i knew you were gonna ask me that. hehe. i dont remember.. |
| 05:38:17 | Rascal | I want to try to install microsoft CE. |
| 05:38:18 | Rascal | err.. |
| 05:38:19 | Rascal | wait.. |
| 05:38:21 | Rascal | nm |
| 05:38:23 | NeoTron | I figured as much but I can't find it |
| 05:38:24 | Rascal | wrong channel |
| 05:38:30 | Rascal | ;) |
| 05:38:34 | kergoth | oGMo: you dont need to build the rom. just install openzaurus. but yeah, it doesnt have opera or jeode |
| 05:38:47 | kergoth | NeoTron: hmm, let me look around |
| 05:39:10 | oGMo | Rascal, mmhmm ;) |
| 05:39:31 | Rascal | the AA text on the new OZ rom is SWEET!!! |
| 05:39:42 | Rascal | I'm lovin it |
| 05:39:45 | oGMo | kergoth: well, it has konq, last i looked, but i'm not sure how they compare... and opera renders pretty nice. I mostly only use the hancom spreadsheet deal though |
| 05:39:54 | oGMo | that's the nicest of the apps imho |
| 05:40:07 | Rascal | spreadsheet? |
| 05:40:43 | oGMo | yeah, i set up a nice sheet for tracking expenses and stuff |
| 05:41:04 | Rascal | haha.. OZ now has a checkbook program |
| 05:41:16 | oGMo | the word processor is extremely limited and the presentation program is useless unless you upload stuff to the Z, but the sheet is actually pretty functional |
| 05:41:23 | Rascal | that might make things easier |
| 05:41:30 | oGMo | Rascal: cool, that might be nice ;) |
| 05:41:59 | kergoth | oGMo: opie includes opie-sheet (sheet/qt), powerful spreadsheet |
| 05:42:03 | kergoth | Rascal: tried liquid yet? ;-) |
| 05:42:08 | kergoth | Rascal: or the luna theme? |
| 05:42:22 | Rascal | was about to download liquid |
| 05:42:24 | Rascal | I just saw it.. |
| 05:42:25 | kergoth | oGMo: konq is very feature rich. works nice. |
| 05:42:33 | kergoth | Rascal: its eyecandyliciuos |
| 05:42:34 | Rascal | does it have the transparencies? |
| 05:42:38 | kergoth | s/iuos/ious/ |
| 05:42:39 | kergoth | yes |
| 05:42:42 | kergoth | with stipples |
| 05:42:45 | kergoth | and everything |
| 05:42:46 | Rascal | oohhh.. ::drools:: |
| 05:42:53 | kergoth | its nifty :-) |
| 05:42:59 | Rascal | I need to download theme too right? |
| 05:43:04 | oGMo | kergoth: cool, k |
| 05:44:01 | kergoth | Rascal: nope. opie-theme is for theme styles.. that is, themes that dont need c code, just color and pixmaps |
| 05:44:08 | kergoth | Rascal: you need opie-theme for opie-theme-luna |
| 05:44:16 | kergoth | Rascal: its like the kde theme styles |
| 05:44:34 | Rascal | but not for liquid? |
| 05:44:35 | kergoth | NeoTron: try QPE/System getAllDocLnks() |
| 05:44:42 | kergoth | Rascal: nope, liquid is a straight style, not a theme |
| 05:44:49 | kergoth | Rascal: same with metal |
| 05:45:06 | kergoth | NeoTron: havent tested, was just browsing the opie code. |
| 05:45:08 | NeoTron | kergoth: nope |
| 05:45:36 | kergoth | NeoTron: ah well, was worth a shot.. i'll keep looking.. |
| 05:45:49 | cdm | evening. |
| 05:46:01 | Rascal | ::drool:: liquid ::drool:: |
| 05:46:10 | kergoth | aha. installed it? |
| 05:46:15 | Rascal | yup |
| 05:46:21 | Rascal | I loved liquid on kde |
| 05:46:28 | kergoth | yeah me too |
| 05:47:14 | kergoth | woo hoo |
| 05:47:15 | kergoth | 0x001c0000-0x00fe0000 : "jffs2" |
| 05:47:15 | kergoth | mtd: Giving out device 4 to jffs2 |
| 05:47:25 | kergoth | happy happy |
| 05:47:26 | kergoth | hehe |
| 05:47:43 | kergoth | well it was fun while it lasted |
| 05:47:44 | kergoth | ok |
| 05:47:46 | kergoth | Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 1f:04 |
| 05:47:50 | Rascal | doh |
| 05:48:15 | Rascal | if I was to rewrite kernel I'd make the screen go blue on kernel panic |
| 05:48:26 | kergoth | hehe |
| 05:48:34 | kergoth | thats just twisted and wrong ;-) |
| 05:49:05 | Rascal | it'd be funny |
| 05:55:05 | Wembly | other then perhaps the undistrupted wear on speific cells |
| 05:55:08 | cdm | exactly. |
| 05:55:08 | oGMo | oh, you said "read/_write_", no ;) |
| 05:55:08 | cdm | nothing like having your flash get chewed up by a filesystem that has no concept of wear leveling. ;) |
| 05:55:11 | kergoth | damn splits |
| 05:55:13 | oGMo | hunts for a bootflag.txt |
| 05:55:16 | Wembly | ether way i still feel that such a thing isnt that great. |
| 05:55:22 | kergoth | oGMo: echo OZ30 > bootflag.tt |
| 05:55:25 | kergoth | s/tt/txt/ |
| 05:55:29 | oGMo | cdm: yeah, i kinda worry about that with cf cards, too |
| 05:55:37 | oGMo | kergoth: nifty |
| 05:55:38 | Wembly | i mean flashrom just dosnt strike me as something that should contain a rw filesystem.. :/ |
| 05:55:40 | cdm | oGMo: nah - the CF card internally wear levels. |
| 05:55:50 | oGMo | cdm: ah cool |
| 05:55:52 | cdm | Wembly: that is all compactflash is. |
| 05:55:56 | kergoth | Wembly: you can write some terabyte of data without worries. |
| 05:55:58 | kergoth | Wembly: heh |
| 05:56:11 | Wembly | kergoth: yes but that presumes that it is good flashrom. |
| 05:56:24 | cdm | kergoth: only if that terabyte isn't attempted to be written to the same 1-2 flash sectors. ;) |
| 05:56:28 | kergoth | bah, its still not a concern |
| 05:56:33 | kergoth | cdm: and it wont be, with wear leveling |
| 05:56:34 | Wembly | hehe |
| 05:56:38 | kergoth | which jffs2 does |
| 05:56:45 | cdm | kergoth: of course not - unless you use ext2. ;) |
| 05:56:48 | Wembly | kergoth: he was just giving me problems :) |
| 05:56:53 | cdm | kergoth: I think the Yopy guys did that as well. |
| 05:56:59 | Wembly | anyhow |
| 05:57:02 | Wembly | im off |
| 05:57:07 | Wembly | ill ttyl |
| 05:57:08 | Wembly | bibi! |
| 05:57:13 | oGMo | oh yeah, i formatted the cf card to ext2, i assume it needs to be fat16 or whatever. I hope 16MB will even be big enough :P |
| 05:57:15 | Rascal | how do I get java working again on OZ? |
| 05:57:50 | cdm | so - anyone try to flash over serial? |
| 05:58:02 | oGMo | only to my hp49 ;) |
| 05:58:17 | oGMo | i think |
| 05:58:37 | oGMo | must have been |
| 05:58:39 | kergoth | Rascal: copy the jvm from the sharp rom, and classes |
| 05:58:53 | Wembly | nini |
| 05:58:56 | cdm | is OZ a community based setup? |
| 05:58:58 | kergoth | Rascal: ask Twiun or another java guy for a filelist. or pester benmeyer to get a script to rip it out |
| 05:59:00 | kergoth | cdm: yes. |
| 05:59:03 | kergoth | Wembly: night |
| 05:59:14 | kergoth | cdm: you cant flash over serial. |
| 05:59:23 | kergoth | cdm: limitations of the bootloader sharp is using |
| 05:59:48 | cdm | kergoth: well, I will just JTAG a new bootloader I guess. |
| 05:59:57 | kergoth | cdm: sharp isnt selling jtag cables. |
| 06:00:01 | kergoth | cdm: good luck |
| 06:00:02 | kergoth | heh |
| 06:00:20 | kergoth | cdm: or the specs on how to access the pins |
| 06:00:28 | kergoth | cdm: I had to sign an NDA to get the information myself |
| 06:01:21 | cdm | kergoth: I actually had to have a custom NDA drafted. ;) |
| 06:01:30 | kergoth | cdm: hah, for what? |
| 06:02:15 | cdm | kergoth: terms of the NDA would preclude us from release a BSP for the Z without getting into more papwerwork. So I got them to add an out for us. (QNX). |
| 06:02:43 | kergoth | ahh.. what're you guys working on? |
| 06:03:03 | cdm | I am just working on getting QNX up and running on the Z...ala http://qnxzone.com/eQip/. |
| 06:04:38 | NeoTron | kergoth: definitely didn't work. :( |
| 06:04:46 | cdm | shitty webpage. ;) |
| 06:06:32 | kergoth | NeoTron: ack, that sucks. there must be a way... you can refresh applets, inputmethods, etc.. |
| 06:06:39 | kergoth | NeoTron: i'll look further |
| 06:07:22 | kergoth | cdm: ah, good luck on it. I've always liked qnx. I assume it would be useful for niche applications? things requiring low latency? |
| 06:07:49 | cdm | kergoth: and small footprint and good architecture. Mostly vertical applications. |
| 06:07:58 | kergoth | yeah, thats what i figured |
| 06:08:10 | kergoth | cool |
| 06:08:17 | cdm | also high-avaliability, network transparent work and realtime SMP. |
| 06:08:28 | kergoth | ah |
| 06:10:57 | kergoth | beats mtd layer into submission |
| 06:12:41 | NeoTron | QCopEnvelope e("QPE/System", "linkChanged(QString)" ); |
| 06:12:41 | NeoTron | e << file.name(); |
| 06:12:41 | NeoTron | |
| 06:12:45 | NeoTron | one would think that'd work |
| 06:12:51 | NeoTron | but it doesn't seem like i |
| 06:14:23 | kergoth | could check the textedit code. last i checked it added .desktop files for files it edited, and they were visable right away. |
| 06:15:23 | NeoTron | it uses filemanager but filemanager requires DocLnk and that you save char* data which I do not have |
| 06:15:58 | cdm | anyone know what address OSPACK gets written to in the flash? |
| 06:16:04 | kergoth | okay, so look at the FileManaager code :-) |
| 06:16:11 | cdm | and does the bootrom simply jump to that address? |
| 06:16:15 | kergoth | cdm: ospack IS the flash. |
| 06:16:22 | kergoth | cdm: ospack goes to byte 0 in flash |
| 06:16:27 | cdm | kergoth: really? |
| 06:16:31 | kergoth | cdm: yes. |
| 06:16:35 | cdm | is flabergasted. |
| 06:16:36 | kergoth | cdm: bootloader is part of ospack, btw |
| 06:16:37 | NeoTron | heh, I can call QPE/System -> restart() when I exit. :)) |
| 06:16:54 | kergoth | cdm: ospack = angelboot + cf updater + kernel + filesystem + extra |
| 06:17:11 | cdm | kergoth: So with this OZ image - are they using a binary forms of the first two things? |
| 06:17:23 | kergoth | cdm: OZ isnt distributed as a ospack |
| 06:17:31 | cdm | ah. |
| 06:17:37 | kergoth | cdm: i think its stupid to repeeatedly flash the bootloader. if that gets fucked, you've got a brick. |
| 06:17:47 | kergoth | cdm: so i distribution zImage + initrd.bin .. kernel and filesystem only. |
| 06:17:53 | kergoth | s/distribution/distribute/ |
| 06:18:02 | cdm | kergoth: For sure - I am just surprised they don't have an update option that doesn't trash the bootblock. |
| 06:18:12 | kergoth | cdm: thankfully the cf updater allows you to update them individually |
| 06:18:23 | cdm | kergoth: docs for the cf updated? |
| 06:18:27 | kergoth | cdm: you mean via the cf updater, or via their update ipk? |
| 06:18:29 | oGMo | oh that would suck |
| 06:18:29 | cdm | updater... |
| 06:18:35 | kergoth | cdm: no docs, no specs on the updater or bootloader. |
| 06:18:37 | cdm | cf. |
| 06:18:50 | cdm | kergoth: so how do you tell it what bits to update? |
| 06:19:01 | kergoth | cdm: you drop 'zImage' onto cf and flash that |
| 06:19:06 | kergoth | cdm: or just 'initrd.bin' and flash that |
| 06:19:13 | kergoth | cdm: the updater drops them in the right places in flash |
| 06:19:49 | kergoth | grr |
| 06:19:50 | kergoth | Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 1f:04 |
| 06:20:01 | cdm | funky monkey. And for zImage does it just transfer control to the start of zImage (ie: is the decompression stub part of zImage) or does the updater do some magic? |
| 06:20:22 | kergoth | cdm; zImage is by definition a compressed kernel that uncompresses itself. |
| 06:20:43 | kergoth | cdm: bootloader just sets up the ram, sets up the first serial port, sets a few registers, and passes control to zImage |
| 06:21:01 | cdm | kergoth: wicked - in flash then? Doesn't even bother copying it into RAM first? |
| 06:21:36 | cdm | kergoth: and do you know if it places any limits of the size of zImage? |
| 06:21:40 | kergoth | cdm: I believe it does. zImage goes into low memory and then gets executed. bzImage on desktops gets loaded into high mem and called out there. |
| 06:21:52 | oGMo | ok one last dumb question from me, if for some inexplicable reason I decide not to like the OZ rom, and i flash with 2.37, does that have all the standard apps (opera and the like)? If so i won't bother backing that stuff up... |
| 06:21:53 | kergoth | cdm: zImage is limited, yes.. dont know the size limit offhand |
| 06:22:06 | cdm | kergoth: hurm... |
| 06:22:07 | kergoth | cdm: yes 2.37 has hancom and the rest |
| 06:22:15 | oGMo | kergoth: k thanks |
| 06:22:18 | kergoth | cdm: the kernel doesnt have XIP support built in |
| 06:22:32 | kergoth | cdm: (eXecute In Place) |
| 06:22:44 | cdm | kergoth: not expecting it to. Trying to see if I can easily get a test case wthout bricking one or more of my loaners. ;) |
| 06:23:00 | kergoth | cdm: ah, gotcha. |
| 06:23:32 | kergoth | cdm: we'll likely be replacing angelboot with a bit more capable bootloader soon |
| 06:23:38 | cdm | kergoth: So if I can trick the cf-updater into flash a QNX IFS (kernel+startup binaries) and QNX EFS (read/write filesystem) by naming them zImage and initrd then I am good to go. ;) |
| 06:23:47 | cdm | kergoth: blob or redboot? |
| 06:24:03 | kergoth | cdm: yes exactly, should work fine. |
| 06:24:07 | kergoth | cdm: havent decided yet. |
| 06:24:18 | cdm | kergoth: I will probably get that Compaq one working. |
| 06:26:31 | kergoth | cdm: that's cool. let me know how it goes. |
| 06:26:36 | cdm | no problem. |
| 06:27:18 | cdm | so is there a custom bit of Z code in the zImage so it knows about memory maps and stuff? |
| 06:27:22 | kergoth | my current project is porting lineo's embedix patch from 2.4.6 to 2.5.21-rmk1 |
| 06:27:36 | kergoth | cdm: yep, lineo added support for this particular sa1100 implementation |
| 06:27:47 | cdm | ahh, okie dokie. |
| 06:28:05 | Rascal | why when I do a smbmount it get Get_Hostbyname: Unknown host zaurus |
| 06:28:20 | kergoth | Rascal: your host name is zaurus, but zaurus isnt in your /etc/hosts |
| 06:28:22 | cdm | Rascal: the name zaurus isn't in /etc/hosts? |
| 06:28:25 | kergoth | hehe |
| 06:28:29 | cdm | :) |
| 06:29:08 | Rascal | same problem |
| 06:29:13 | Rascal | lemme try something |
| 06:29:25 | cdm | can do "ping zaurus" from the samba server side? |
| 06:30:15 | Rascal | my zaurus has frozen |
| 06:30:19 | kergoth | oh fun |
| 06:35:00 | Rascal | what's the proper way to take out my wireless card? |
| 06:35:02 | Mickey0 | kergoth: did you change something with the openobex package? it's now 608 bytes long!? |
| 06:35:10 | Rascal | ejecting it doesn't seem to work properly |
| 06:35:17 | Rascal | and cardctl suspend 0 doesn't either |
| 06:35:18 | kergoth | Mickey0: its a virtual package |
| 06:35:34 | kergoth | Mickey0: if you install it, it depends on libopenobex1 and openobex-apps |
| 06:35:44 | kergoth | Mickey0: which have the real content you're looking for. i revamped the packages |
| 06:36:02 | kergoth | Rascal: generally cardctl eject |
| 06:36:10 | kergoth | Rascal: though in weird cases than can hang the pda |
| 06:36:12 | Rascal | ya but it says it's busy |
| 06:36:17 | Rascal | so I tried to suspend it |
| 06:36:19 | Rascal | then eject it.. |
| 06:36:20 | kergoth | then kill off the apps that are using it |
| 06:36:21 | Rascal | and it hung |
| 06:36:24 | kergoth | aka konq/e, etc |
| 06:36:28 | Mickey0 | kergoth: oh ok. thanks - but no dependency to openobex-apps here.. |
| 06:36:41 | kergoth | Mickey0: are you installing openobex locally or from a feed? |
| 06:36:42 | Rascal | oh haha.. |
| 06:36:50 | kergoth | Mickey0: ipkg doesnt resolve dependencies on local file installs |
| 06:36:55 | Rascal | I completely forgot I was sshed into my zaurus.. |
| 06:36:56 | Mickey0 | kergoth: directly from zauruszone feed |
| 06:36:59 | Rascal | sigh.. it's late |
| 06:37:07 | Mickey0 | kergoth: Depends: libc6 libopenobex1 libopenobex-dev |
| 06:37:10 | kergoth | Mickey0: uh, you mean the openzaurus sf feed? |
| 06:37:17 | kergoth | Mickey0: oh weird |
| 06:37:21 | Mickey0 | kergoth: yeah |
| 06:37:44 | kergoth | Mickey0: ah well. to do obex you need libopenobex1, openobex-apps, libopieobex, irdaapplet |
| 06:38:45 | kergoth | Rascal: lol.. |
| 06:38:55 | Mickey0 | kergoth: ok, installing openobex-apps now, which depends on glib and libopenobex. Maybe the openobex depends are uncomplete? |
| 06:39:18 | kergoth | Mickey0: actually i dont think so. openobex isnt even a package in debian, which is what i'm based on |
| 06:39:34 | kergoth | Mickey0: i just kept openobex because thats what it was called before, for compatibility and easy upgrade |
| 06:40:03 | kergoth | Mickey0: but it doesnt matter. not a big deal. |
| 06:40:28 | djax | Heya |
| 06:40:29 | Mickey0 | kergoth: right. aaaah yeah. it works! :) fine. |
| 06:40:37 | kergoth | hehe |
| 06:40:51 | kergoth | Mickey0: tested actual beaming yet? |
| 06:41:30 | Mickey0 | kergoth: yes. beamed an addressbook entry to my PC. |
| 06:41:44 | cdm | kergoth: did you get a funky Sharp JTAG cable or just info on making one? |
| 06:41:52 | kergoth | Mickey0: sweet. tried beaming something from your pc to the Z as well? jason was having difficulties on receipt |
| 06:42:03 | Mickey0 | kergoth: I'm now trying the sending something from my S45 to the Zaurus... hold on... |
| 06:42:16 | kergoth | cdm: nah even tim riker at lineo doesnt have a jtag cable yet. I just have the specs. I'll likely hack something together. |
| 06:43:00 | kergoth | Mickey0: k |
| 06:43:08 | Rascal | wierd.. it seems that resolve isn't checking my hosts file |
| 06:43:42 | cdm | kergoth: wonder if they have even made 'em yet. :) |
| 06:43:53 | kergoth | cdm: well i've got a part number for it, so i suspect yes |
| 06:43:56 | cdm | kergoth: is the port on the bottom a standard connector? |
| 06:43:57 | kergoth | cdm: :-) |
| 06:43:59 | kergoth | cdm: no |
| 06:44:20 | kergoth | cdm: no one knows where to get the connectors. rumor mill says the company that made them doesnt sell them in small quanties (small being under 1000 or so) |
| 06:44:21 | cdm | kergoth: I have the part number as well - but I know most big companies require you to have a part number before a product is even into R&D. ;) |
| 06:44:28 | kergoth | cdm: true that |
| 06:45:47 | Rascal | why won't my zaurus check my hosts before it sends it off to bind? |
| 06:46:08 | kergoth | Rascal: does /etc/host.conf exist? |
| 06:46:31 | kergoth | Rascal: try echo order hosts,bind > /etc/host.conf; echo multi on >> /etc/host.conf; |
| 06:46:35 | Rascal | yes I just added it |
| 06:46:41 | kergoth | k... |
| 06:46:41 | Rascal | and rebooted |
| 06:46:42 | kergoth | hm |
| 06:46:49 | kergoth | thats odd |
| 06:46:51 | Rascal | and it still won't find it |
| 06:47:06 | kergoth | whats your hosts file look like? |
| 06:47:11 | kergoth | mine seems to be behaving itself |
| 06:47:26 | Rascal | 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost |
| 06:47:47 | kergoth | thats it? |
| 06:48:09 | Rascal | yes |
| 06:48:15 | kergoth | well zaurus isnt in there |
| 06:48:19 | kergoth | of course it wont resolve zaurus |
| 06:48:23 | Rascal | I changed hostname to localhost |
| 06:48:27 | kergoth | echo 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost zaurus > /etc/resolv.conf |
| 06:48:29 | kergoth | ah |
| 06:48:30 | Rascal | and I can't resolve localhost |
| 06:48:31 | kergoth | hm |
| 06:48:38 | kergoth | i can ping localhost fine |
| 06:48:42 | kergoth | and ssh into localhost |
| 06:51:26 | Rascal | added that to resolv.conf and still can't ping localhost |
| 06:51:40 | kergoth | no idea |
| 06:52:07 | Mickey0 | kergoth: finished testing: beaming works. in both directions using either a PC or a SIEMENS mobile phone. nice work! |
| 06:52:12 | Rascal | I had the same problem with last rom beta10 |
| 06:52:38 | Rascal | does irda PPP work? |
| 06:53:39 | kergoth | Mickey0: sweet :-) thank the opie team. libopieobex and irdapplet were the work of zecke and harlekin |
| 06:53:48 | kergoth | Rascal: yes. |
| 06:54:28 | Mickey0 | kergoth: btw, why didn't we could use the sharp irda stuff? wasn't it published? |
| 06:59:15 | kergoth | Mickey0: sharp used a libqobex obex interface. sources unreleased. so we had to reinvent the wheel |
| 06:59:15 | kergoth | heh |
| 06:59:58 | Mickey0 | ah ok. |
| 07:03:23 | sig | is away: sleep |
| 07:03:37 | sig | is back (gone 00:00:14) |
| 07:18:09 | Rascal | damn I still can't ping localhost |
| 07:47:25 | Rascal | is evolution a way around cals for exchange servers? |
| 07:48:15 | Jerakeen | yay, working wireless. happy happy happy. |
| 08:11:40 | Jerakeen | I see the transparency effect is cheating... :-) |
| 08:53:57 | Rascal | anyone know why konqueror doesn't show the pictures? |
| 08:55:28 | Jerakeen | ~works for me... |
| 08:55:46 | Jerakeen | A lot of the preference dialogs aren't closing. Shutdown, recalibrate, appearence, etc. |
| 09:01:16 | Rascal | Jerakeen: the gif for google isn't coming up.. |
| 09:01:22 | Rascal | but other gifs appear |
| 09:07:02 | Jerakeen | Rascal: google has locked qpe up solid... :-) |
| 09:07:15 | Rascal | lol really? |
| 09:09:54 | Jerakeen | I tihnk I don't have the gif plugin.. |
| 09:10:14 | Rascal | ya I had to download it |
| 09:11:57 | Jerakeen | Ok, it's not google, konq is just getting really slow just after I go to a page. |
| 09:14:58 | Rascal | jerakeen are you using OZ? or Sharp? |
| 09:17:09 | Jerakeen | Rascal: oz |
| 09:17:31 | Jerakeen | Right, working now. I can see google logo, but i tihnk I had to poke it with the stylus to get it to display... |
| 10:10:12 | zecke | did anybody test beaming and receiving on OZ yesterday? |
| 10:12:27 | Jerakeen | I can send but not recieve. |
| 10:12:41 | Jerakeen | though that may be me not doing something right. |
| 10:14:36 | Jerakeen | Is there an app that'll let me configure what the buttons on the fron of the z do? |
| 10:14:54 | zecke | Jerakeen: yes ljp wrote one |
| 10:15:50 | zecke | Jerakeen: how recent is your openobex package? |
| 10:16:00 | zecke | Jerakeen: and from where do you try to send? |
| 10:19:09 | Jerakeen | zecke: I assume it's recent - I'm current to the oz3 feed. |
| 10:19:14 | Jerakeen | I'm sending from the phone. |
| 10:19:33 | zecke | i wrote it and just tested on a SL 5000d OZ rom |
| 10:19:38 | zecke | and here it's working |
| 10:20:10 | zecke | I beamed from Nokia 6210, h3870, HP Jornada, Agenda Vr3 to the OZ |
| 10:20:27 | Jerakeen | What would I do/expect to see. Assume I'm forgetting to do something. |
| 10:20:51 | zecke | Jerakeen: enable receiving inside the irda applet |
| 10:21:58 | Jerakeen | going form an ericsson t39, I get nothign. Let me go borrow someone's phone. |
| 10:28:40 | Jerakeen | I borrowed an ipaq, and can't send from that either. |
| 10:28:55 | noidd | ello |
| 10:29:11 | zecke | Jerakeen: on PPC got two different kinds of sending |
| 10:29:23 | Jerakeen | urgh. |
| 10:29:24 | zecke | Jerakeen: windows obex and OBEX |
| 10:29:32 | Jerakeen | Hard for me to get different sending devices right now. |
| 10:29:34 | zecke | Jerakeen: you need to use the non windows method |
| 10:30:21 | Jerakeen | Interestingly, while I was wanding around and the z was ir enabled, it went into standby. Which is odd, because it' son mains power, and it doesn't standby normally. |
| 10:36:12 | Jerakeen | I can't replcate this, nhowever. |
| 10:37:20 | noidd | my Z started mis-behaving the other day with respect to that too Jerakeen, my Z wouldn't turn back on after shutting itself down after idling. |
| 10:38:11 | noidd | I think I broke it myself tho :-) |
| 10:38:42 | noidd | so its probably completely unrelated... Just thought about it because it was the first time i'd ever done any IR. |
| 10:55:45 | Jerakeen | oops. my / is so full it won't let me delete anything any more. Any way to fix? |
| 10:56:41 | djk | even using terminal and rm -f filename ? |
| 10:56:46 | Jerakeen | yeh. |
| 10:57:15 | djk | can you reboot? that might dump temp and swap |
| 10:58:20 | Jerakeen | zecke: Woah. My /tmp is full of vcards! so I can recieve, they're just not going anywhere sensible. Feedback on recieves might be a good idea.... :-) |
| 10:59:33 | djk | Jerakeen: did you get it working again? |
| 11:00:57 | Jerakeen | not as such. |
| 11:01:17 | djk | what does that mean? |
| 11:02:26 | Jerakeen | Well, it rebooted, and there's a little bit more space now, but I stall can't delete anything. |
| 11:02:52 | djk | odd |
| 11:03:49 | djk | can you cat /dev/null > bigfile? that would at least shrink the files down |
| 11:04:13 | Jerakeen | is tht safe? |
| 11:06:18 | Jerakeen | Can't create files anyway. |
| 11:12:41 | Jerakeen | Argh, it appears I'm screwed. |
| 11:13:06 | noidd | Jerakeen: the cat /dev/null > file reduces an existing filesize to zero |
| 11:13:16 | noidd | thus giving you some breathing space |
| 11:13:32 | noidd | Jerakeen: no such thing as screwed :-) there is always a way |
| 11:14:27 | Jerakeen | noidd: I can't touch files, change their contents, enything. |
| 11:14:41 | noidd | what error are you getting? |
| 11:14:49 | Jerakeen | # touch temp |
| 11:14:49 | Jerakeen | touch: temp: No space left on device |
| 11:15:01 | Jerakeen | http://www.handhelds.org/pipermail/familiar/2002-April/007888.html |
| 11:15:09 | noidd | looking |
| 11:15:36 | noidd | argh |
| 11:15:44 | noidd | journalling filesystems |
| 11:16:17 | noidd | can you move a file from one device to the other? |
| 11:16:28 | noidd | i guess the mv would be an unlink so get the same error |
| 11:16:49 | Jerakeen | yep |
| 11:18:04 | noidd | damn, this must be a known issue with journalling file systems |
| 11:18:14 | noidd | i've never used one so dont have any ideas :-( |
| 11:18:18 | noidd | hmmm |
| 11:18:30 | noidd | ah, can you re-size a journalling filesystem? |
| 11:18:54 | noidd | ie, dd a 4 meg file on the other device |
| 11:19:07 | noidd | and add that to the existing filesystem? |
| 11:19:19 | noidd | (would work under Veritas) |
| 11:19:21 | Jerakeen | Given that / is the flash memory inside the machine, I doubt it. :-) |
| 11:20:09 | noidd | some journalling filesystems allow you to resize on the fly |
| 11:20:28 | noidd | I would guess that that functionality on a handheld would be overkill tho ;-) |
| 11:20:31 | djk | not that you really want to but you could do a windows thing and reset the Z |
| 11:20:54 | Jerakeen | reset won't work, the filesystem is full. I'm going to have to rebuild it. Argh. |
| 11:21:23 | djk | you mean opening the battery panel and push the reset fails? |
| 11:21:47 | noidd | Jerakeen: ssh zaurus tar -cvf /your/mountpoint - > localtarfile.tar |
| 11:21:59 | noidd | that should minimise the damage a bit |
| 11:22:02 | Jerakeen | noidd: In the middle of that now... |
| 11:22:24 | Jerakeen | noidd: Interesting fat - when iut tries to tar /proc/sys/pm/suspend, hte device suspends... :-) |
| 11:22:34 | Jerakeen | woah, my typing is getting worse... |
| 11:22:37 | noidd | Jerakeen: haha - mine did the same thing! |
| 11:22:58 | Jerakeen | this explains the earlier ir-related suspend. |
| 11:23:00 | noidd | thats why I let you specify the mountpoint :-) |
| 11:25:23 | Jerakeen | how volatile is the ramdisk, then? Would that die if I reset with the switch? rebooted? |
| 11:26:17 | noidd | correction to above line in case anyone uses it |
| 11:26:36 | noidd | ssh zaurus tar -cvf - /your/mountpoint > localfile.tar |
| 11:27:16 | Jerakeen | actuallt ssh zaurus tar -c /mountpoint > localfile.tar will do it. |
| 11:27:20 | Jerakeen | yay! |
| 11:28:14 | Jerakeen | saved myself. |
| 11:28:24 | Jerakeen | multiple reboots help. Don't know why. |
| 11:30:03 | noidd | Jerakeen: I didn't realise that tar defaulted to stdout |
| 11:30:11 | noidd | i'm not sure I like that :-) |
| 11:32:58 | Jerakeen | noidd: It doesn't normally. The z one does, though. |
| 11:33:16 | noidd | Jerakeen: yuck |
| 11:33:23 | noidd | likes being explicit |
| 11:33:26 | noidd | :-0 |
| 11:33:59 | noidd | ssh -l root tar -cvf - /mountpoint > localfile.tar |
| 11:34:03 | noidd | see, nice and explicit |
| 11:34:09 | noidd | but more typing |
| 11:54:12 | BigBoss | howdy |
| 11:54:42 | noidd | hey BigBoss |
| 11:54:45 | noidd | hows it going? |
| 11:57:02 | BigBoss | working along |
| 11:58:21 | noidd | working is good |
| 12:00:40 | noidd | better than the alternative |
| 12:03:10 | BigBoss | I didn't say I get paid for working though :) |
| 12:03:42 | noidd | I would hope you do. |
| 12:03:45 | noidd | :-) |
| 12:03:59 | noidd | I like your products btw, |
| 12:04:13 | noidd | your reverse psycology worked on me. very annoying. |
| 12:06:15 | BigBoss | hahahaha |
| 12:06:29 | BigBoss | when did I reverse psycology you? |
| 12:07:32 | noidd | we were talking about demo versions of your products |
| 12:07:49 | noidd | hmms at the tkc list - I see a flamewar about to break out :-) |
| 12:10:21 | noidd | hey Nadav |
| 12:10:35 | Nadav | hi noidd |
| 12:10:40 | noidd | hey Cloudchaser |
| 12:10:47 | noidd | hows things Nadav? |
| 12:11:01 | Nadav | Pretty good. |
| 12:11:02 | Nadav | you? |
| 12:12:01 | BigBoss | oh yea, demo's |
| 12:12:09 | BigBoss | you talking about that BestBuy thread? |
| 12:12:19 | noidd | yeah, |
| 12:12:28 | noidd | last post on there was open-troll |
| 12:12:49 | noidd | its the last paragraph that did it |
| 12:13:25 | BigBoss | yea, if it doesn't stop then I'll have to turn off the list for a day till they calm down |
| 12:13:46 | BigBoss | I had the problem on another list we have for a different product, I told everyone to drop it, they didn't so I shut down the list for a week |
| 12:14:36 | noidd | hehe - thats a cleaner way of doing it than unsubbing I guess ;-) |
| 12:15:16 | noidd | I see both their points... but its the guys own fault for signing a legal agreement which he didnt read |
| 12:15:32 | noidd | people in stores get real pissy at me when I insist on reading all the T+C's |
| 12:15:43 | Nadav | heh |
| 12:15:55 | Nadav | It hunts you back if you don't though |
| 12:16:06 | Nadav | can't say I read everything.. it would be good though ;) |
| 12:16:41 | noidd | I get the impression that in the states its more important |
| 12:17:00 | noidd | I get the impression from my merican friends that contracts are more binding there than in the UK |
| 12:17:20 | noidd | in the UK, most of the stuff that people put in their terms and conditions is not enforcable |
| 12:17:36 | Fluxwerk | BigBoss: what exeactly is the BestBuy story? |
| 12:17:38 | noidd | and they always end their T+C's with "this does not affect your statutory rights" |
| 12:18:17 | noidd | which basically means, we know that we cant enforce it but we're going to make the assumption you don't know your legal rights as a consumer - which is true for 95% of you drones. |
| 12:21:30 | BigBoss | Fluxwerk: I don't know the details, just that the Zaurus isn't being carried by them anymore and CompUSA is now going to carry it |
| 12:22:16 | Fluxwerk | yeah, read that much, saw a rep from Sharp at best buy a few weeks ago, and things didn't seem all that happy and shiny |
| 12:24:00 | djk | Sharp needs to education the retailer on the product better at that is my thought |
| 12:26:28 | BigBoss | you can try, but as long as you have 18 year olds working there that aren't very interested, then you are kind of screwed |
| 12:26:36 | BigBoss | BB is fine if you know what you want |
| 12:28:13 | Fluxwerk | just doesn't understand why both rertailers didn't carry it from the get go |
| 12:28:22 | djk | agreed |
| 12:28:34 | noidd | Fluxwerk: This guy was worried because he bought a Z there and a replacement warranty. He has been told that if his Z packs up he cant be given a replacement Z so will have to choose another platform (eg, windows CE) |
| 12:29:00 | Fluxwerk | yeah |
| 12:29:05 | Fluxwerk | that could be an issue |
| 12:29:17 | Fluxwerk | the Z is off to a sad start in the retail market :/ |
| 12:29:27 | djk | :-( |
| 12:29:32 | Fluxwerk | Best buy had them but no accesories |
| 12:29:39 | noidd | The second guy said that this was common practice to have clauses like that in contracts... if after 2 years 11 months yours packs up - its very difficult for them to source a replacement - and would you really want a 2 year 11 month old replacement by then |
| 12:29:49 | Fluxwerk | sales smucks could care less, and try to sell you an ipaq or clie |
| 12:30:05 | noidd | Sales channels in the UK are screwed. |
| 12:30:13 | djk | When I starting asking the list retailers most gave the answer We stopped carring sharp |
| 12:30:23 | BigBoss | CompUSA picking up the Z is good though, more geeks go there |
| 12:30:28 | noidd | I went to two stores - 2 doors away from each other. One store was selling them for less than the other store was getting them at wholesale. |
| 12:30:41 | noidd | the difference in RRP for these guys was over 150US$ |
| 12:30:45 | Fluxwerk | BigBoss: agreed |
| 12:30:59 | noidd | so, the one store is sold out |
| 12:31:00 | benmeyer | hi |
| 12:31:07 | noidd | the other store have 8 on display in stock |
| 12:31:09 | noidd | hey benmeyer |
| 12:31:22 | Fluxwerk | wondwrs how low Best Buy will go before they are gone |
| 12:31:39 | Nadav | heh |
| 12:31:41 | noidd | I would love to hear how that happened |
| 12:31:56 | Nadav | i'll have to visit my local bestbuy pretty often |
| 12:32:02 | Nadav | it's not a geeky area |
| 12:32:15 | noidd | hey benmeyer, you're not a marketting person are you? |
| 12:32:19 | benmeyer | no |
| 12:32:26 | benmeyer | developer |
| 12:32:26 | noidd | ok, didn't think so :-) |
| 12:32:30 | benmeyer | writes code |
| 12:32:55 | BigBoss | I'm gonna go buy another Z at BestBuy for one of my developers |
| 12:33:10 | noidd | 313US$ is sick |
| 12:33:15 | noidd | I want 10 :-) |
| 12:33:19 | benmeyer | but best buy is simply fazing out the z to only there retail store that is why it is so cheap. at least that is what I have heard could be ( and probably is) wrong |
| 12:33:40 | Cloudchaser | hey benmeyer: did you get my email regarding tab manager? |
| 12:33:53 | benmeyer | you wanted a script? |
| 12:33:57 | benmeyer | or bug/ |
| 12:33:57 | benmeyer | ? |
| 12:35:02 | | drw was last seen on #opie 12 hours, 27 minutes and 42 seconds ago, saying: Until later everyone... [Thu Jul 18 01:07:20 2002] |
| 12:35:02 | benmeyer | ibot seen drw |
| 12:35:06 | Cloudchaser | not sure if its bug or not |
| 12:35:31 | Cloudchaser | but what i'm trying to do is make an icon for a shell script |
| 12:35:39 | Cloudchaser | and it won't work |
| 12:35:45 | benmeyer | the icon list doesn't show up |
| 12:35:52 | benmeyer | or somethign like that |
| 12:35:56 | Cloudchaser | no it won't execute |
| 12:36:08 | Cloudchaser | sometiems the icon list won't show up but the problem is the exec line |
| 12:36:13 | benmeyer | remember your exec can't have any spaces |
| 12:36:51 | Cloudchaser | my exec line was like this: /path/to/script/sambastart |
| 12:38:39 | Cloudchaser | then i get no application is found for this document error |
| 12:38:49 | Cloudchaser | script works fine from konsole |
| 12:39:09 | benmeyer | not sure |
| 12:40:17 | noidd | evilsamba :-) |
| 12:40:35 | noidd | oh, does anyone know if the Sharp kernel contains the NFS client bits? |
| 12:40:38 | Cloudchaser | hehe i just need a quick way to turn it off and on so i can eject my card |
| 12:40:41 | benmeyer | yah |
| 12:40:48 | benmeyer | noidd that is how I develop |
| 12:40:54 | noidd | cool! |
| 12:40:56 | benmeyer | nfs mount my source dir on my server |
| 12:41:00 | benmeyer | compile to arm |
| 12:41:06 | noidd | I can compile native on the sharp then! |
| 12:41:06 | Cloudchaser | i starts automatically when i reboot z but..just trying to make life easier |
| 12:41:12 | benmeyer | then in a telnet session back to my z launch the apps |
| 12:41:12 | benmeyer | hehe |
| 12:41:13 | noidd | WHY am I cross compiling! |
| 12:41:32 | benmeyer | well I still cross compile |
| 12:41:43 | noidd | get the Z to do the compiling :-) |
| 12:41:48 | Cloudchaser | ljp said tab manager is broken, maybe he can explain why better than i can |
| 12:41:49 | benmeyer | I compile it on the server here |
| 12:41:49 | noidd | sloooowly |
| 12:41:52 | benmeyer | much faster |
| 12:43:28 | Fluxwerk | is away: on-site work |
| 12:43:32 | Cloudchaser | hmm my battery is dying after being shut off all night having had full battery when i went to bed |
| 12:43:46 | benmeyer | yah 2.4.2 kernel |
| 12:46:38 | kajUk | Does qt allow to align text both right and left at the same time? |
| 12:46:51 | benmeyer | no |
| 12:46:53 | benmeyer | left or right |
| 12:46:56 | benmeyer | why would you want o? |
| 12:47:02 | benmeyer | do you mean in the middle? |
| 12:47:09 | kajUk | to justify text |
| 12:47:10 | BigBoss | i left my Z for 2 days, off, and a full battery, and it was dead when I tried to use it |
| 12:48:21 | Cloudchaser | what's up with that BigBoss? |
| 12:48:56 | BigBoss | crappy battery |
| 12:49:04 | benmeyer | crappy kernel is more like it |
| 12:49:15 | Cloudchaser | does battery need replacing? |
| 12:49:20 | BigBoss | I hope not |
| 12:49:27 | benmeyer | uses too much power when in "suspend" mode |
| 12:49:41 | Cloudchaser | also does leaving it in cradle using it while plugged in hurt the battery? |
| 12:49:42 | benmeyer | the newer kernels which we will eventually go to are much better from what I have been told |
| 12:50:11 | Cloudchaser | i diden't have that problem until lately |
| 12:50:16 | kajUk | I understand that I need to write my own code to "justify text", is that right? |
| 12:50:18 | Cloudchaser | last few times |
| 12:50:26 | benmeyer | kajUk: what do you mean |
| 12:50:40 | benmeyer | kajUk: what does both "left and right" mean? |
| 12:51:15 | noidd | I wish there was a way of turning suspend off. |
| 12:51:36 | noidd | either a tickbox like the light dim/off or allow me to set it to 0 seconds |
| 12:52:01 | Jerakeen | there's a 'only turn screen off' option, is't there? |
| 12:52:52 | kajUk | well, I understand it like this: text on every line starts in the same colomn and at the left it ends at the same colomn |
| 12:53:04 | benmeyer | column? |
| 12:53:08 | benmeyer | what widget? |
| 12:54:28 | kajUk | Rich Text Edit , for instance |
| 12:56:05 | benmeyer | ok, that doesn't have columns,please explain |
| 12:56:09 | benmeyer | you can have left, middle and right |
| 12:56:20 | benmeyer | how would left and right work? |
| 12:57:47 | kajUk | By columns I mean "virtual columns". I want the text to be aligned both on left and right by ajusting spacing between words |
| 12:57:52 | noidd | wow, the Sharp kernel has more filesystem types than my desktop |
| 12:58:34 | benmeyer | kajUk: can you do that by changing the fonts? |
| 12:58:43 | benmeyer | or spacing? |
| 12:58:53 | noidd | benmeyer: I know what he wants |
| 12:59:17 | noidd | benmeyer: the functionality you get when you get text which is left and right justified |
| 12:59:46 | noidd | and the widget stretches the space between words to compensate. |
| 13:00:01 | noidd | (at least thats what I think kajUk wants) :-) |
| 13:00:01 | benmeyer | ah |
| 13:00:08 | benmeyer | like in ms word |
| 13:00:26 | noidd | throws holy water on benmeyer |
| 13:00:55 | noidd | benmeyer: yup, i believe so |
| 13:01:00 | kajUk | Basicly what I want is the text to look nice... right, like in ms word:) |
| 13:01:26 | noidd | grumbles |
| 13:01:55 | noidd | you know, if you guys dont stop using offensive language i'm going to end up having to ignore you both :-P |
| 13:02:00 | kajUk | noidd: you described exactly what I want:) |
| 13:02:33 | noidd | kajUk: and without using offensive language too |
| 13:02:52 | kajUk | ok, ok :) |
| 13:04:14 | noidd | brb 10 mins, going to get a kebab ;-0 |
| 13:04:43 | kajUk | So, are there any ways in QT to do it without much coding? |
| 13:06:02 | ljp_work | no |
| 13:07:24 | noidd | its like asking is there any way to replicate my personal physique without much eating :-) |
| 13:09:26 | noidd | all Hail almighty and all knowing root |
| 13:10:00 | noidd | who commeth bearing gifts of sd card drivers |
| 13:10:02 | ljp_work | ha |
| 13:10:08 | noidd | :-) |
| 13:10:23 | Nadav | hah |
| 13:10:29 | ljp_work | jasonNJ: I hope your behind a good firewall |
| 13:10:46 | JasonNJ | yeah a big ass checkpoint |
| 13:11:02 | Nadav | checkpoint. |
| 13:11:23 | Nadav | israelis CAN do a few things well! |
| 13:11:34 | noidd | hahaha |
| 13:11:36 | Nadav | oh no, do we have a hax0r0r0r0 amongst us? |
| 13:12:14 | noidd | they still didn't get the whole customer service thing tho |
| 13:12:16 | JasonNJ | Nadav: they also designed the heat sink for the pentium |
| 13:12:25 | noidd | JasonNJ: and the FPU :-) |
| 13:12:30 | JasonNJ | and I also beleive streaming video technology |
| 13:12:32 | Nadav | hah |
| 13:12:34 | Nadav | I actually didn't know that |
| 13:12:36 | Nadav | and i'm israeli |
| 13:12:36 | JasonNJ | yep |
| 13:12:51 | Nadav | well, they say we have some of the brightest engineers etc |
| 13:12:54 | JasonNJ | Nadav: I worked in Israel for a little while. |
| 13:12:59 | Nadav | cool |
| 13:13:00 | Nadav | Where? |
| 13:13:05 | kajUk | Interesting, in QT examples there are textleft.xpm, textright.xpm, textcenter.xpm and ... textjustify |
| 13:13:23 | noidd | does textjustify do what you want kajUk? |
| 13:13:34 | JasonNJ | Nadav: during the gulf war, for a us govt contractor |
| 13:13:55 | noidd | JasonNJ: you're a braver man than I. |
| 13:14:04 | JasonNJ | noidd: I made a ton of money |
| 13:14:11 | noidd | danger money |
| 13:14:14 | kajUk | noidd, it's just an icon:) |
| 13:14:15 | Nadav | heh |
| 13:14:40 | noidd | anyways - i treally must brb, i'm wasting away |
| 13:14:43 | noidd | brb 10 mins ish |
| 13:21:06 | ljp_work | ya know.. its really too bad that the only real competition for microsoft is a free operating system.. thats messed up |
| 13:30:05 | BigBoss | it's ironic because MS can't buy it |
| 13:30:17 | BigBoss | it's like when the internet first was getting popular, and they just didn't get it |
| 13:36:00 | ljp_work | heh MS Xinux |
| 13:36:22 | djk | kinda breaks their business. if it is good and we don't have a better one buy it |
| 13:36:41 | djk | business model that is |
| 13:37:57 | W|GGL|T | is back (gone 08:00:23) |
| 13:38:36 | kergoth | morning |
| 13:39:15 | ljp_work | I need to clean out my bookmarks.. I still have a bookmark for dejanews |
| 13:39:32 | kergoth | hey ljp |
| 13:39:32 | ljp_work | found out the reason for ir receiving not working |
| 13:39:43 | kergoth | Mickey0 tested receive and said it worked |
| 13:39:47 | kergoth | ljp_work: what was it? |
| 13:39:57 | ljp_work | that irpalm binary seg faults |
| 13:40:05 | kergoth | aha |
| 13:40:10 | kergoth | only on receipt? |
| 13:40:13 | ljp_work | ya |
| 13:40:23 | ljp_work | run it from the commandline |
| 13:40:29 | kergoth | and only with certain data too, since mickey0 reported success with his desktop and his phone |
| 13:40:36 | kergoth | ugly ugly ugly |
| 13:40:41 | kergoth | installs gdb |
| 13:40:46 | ljp_work | hmmmm |
| 13:40:55 | ljp_work | I tried a text file |
| 13:41:11 | kergoth | could try a contact or something |
| 13:41:31 | kergoth | ljp_work: rootfs doesnt mount anymore :-( I think I left code i needed on one of my other boxen |
| 13:41:56 | kergoth | aha, i love 'fortune' |
| 13:42:00 | ljp_work | I saw that.. for 2.5? |
| 13:42:11 | kergoth | "What George Washington did for us was to throw out the British, so that we wouldn't have a fat, insensitive government running our country. Nice try anyway, George." |
| 13:42:12 | kergoth | -- D.J. on KSFO/KYA |
| 13:42:15 | kergoth | yeah, for 2.5 |
| 13:42:59 | | dwmw2 was last seen on #opie 2 days, 5 hours, 32 minutes and 53 seconds ago, saying: too early [Tue Jul 16 09:10:06 2002] |
| 13:42:59 | kergoth | ibot: seen dwmw2? |
| 13:43:37 | zecke | kergoth: he's on handhelds.org |
| 13:43:59 | ljp_work | interesting .vcf was successful |
| 13:44:02 | kergoth | sheesh, like the only channel i'm not in |
| 13:44:03 | kergoth | hehe |
| 13:44:09 | kergoth | ljp_work: hah, grumble |
| 13:44:31 | zecke | ljp_work: ahh |
| 13:44:57 | ljp_work | except no gui poped up and it is still in /tmp |
| 13:45:10 | kergoth | so wtf is wrong with my irobex_palm3 binary? i wonder if mine is a newer version than the one for familiar, perhaps introduced the problem |
| 13:45:10 | ljp_work | heh pooped |
| 13:45:33 | kergoth | man, keeping up with linux-kernel is such a bitch. |
| 13:45:44 | ljp_work | zecke: does enable receive run that palm3 binary? |
| 13:45:50 | zecke | ljp_work: Max did not finish the gui |
| 13:45:53 | zecke | ljp_work: yup |
| 13:45:58 | ljp_work | ok |
| 13:46:20 | zecke | ljp_work: all I can say it's working with Opie on all supported platforms |
| 13:46:50 | ljp_work | it works for .vcf |
| 13:46:54 | giminy | 'morning |
| 13:47:12 | ljp_work | text files it segfaults |
| 13:47:24 | kergoth | zecke: what version is irobex_palm3 in familiar? |
| 13:47:28 | giminy | anybody done any kernel work for the Z here? |
| 13:47:37 | kergoth | giminy: yeah |
| 13:47:41 | bipolar | kergoth: hiya! I didn't see you come in! :) |
| 13:47:42 | ljp_work | hehehe |
| 13:47:58 | bipolar | kergoth: oipkg fucked my Zaurus up so bad I had to reflash. :( |
| 13:48:04 | giminy | kergoth: what driver does the Z use for its keypad? standard keyboard? |
| 13:48:13 | kergoth | bipolar: ack, filled out lots of bug reports in mantis i assume? |
| 13:48:21 | zecke | ljp_work: just tested with vcs |
| 13:48:26 | zecke | ljp_work: and datebook popped up |
| 13:48:29 | bipolar | kergoth: there was nothing to report. |
| 13:48:32 | JasonNJ | kergoth: how goes the kernel |
| 13:48:33 | kergoth | giminy: hold on... I havent gone deep into that code specifically yet. |
| 13:48:46 | giminy | kergoth: ah okie |
| 13:48:48 | kergoth | JasonNJ: it doesnt mount the rootfs anymore!!! i had too many kernel trees floating amongst my dev boxen... |
| 13:48:56 | JasonNJ | oh oh |
| 13:48:57 | kergoth | JasonNJ: i think i missed a patch thats in one of them.. |
| 13:49:00 | ljp_work | lemme try again, I was trying it from the commanline |
| 13:49:15 | zecke | ljp_work: besides the .vcs was misparsed everything is ok |
| 13:49:15 | kergoth | JasonNJ: that wont happen again, as i have a public tree now.. http://linux-cl.bkbits.net/ |
| 13:49:28 | bipolar | kergoth: I left it running, when I came back it said it was done but the progress bar was at 65% and opie was not running any more (like it had crashed a left oipkg to run). |
| 13:50:17 | kergoth | bipolar: ack, memory leak? |
| 13:50:31 | kergoth | weird |
| 13:50:34 | ljp_work | ahh.. okthat worked |
| 13:50:38 | kergoth | bipolar: what were you installing at the time? |
| 13:50:41 | bipolar | kergoth: I guess. Opie came back on reboot, but none of the networking would come up. |
| 13:50:54 | bipolar | kergoth: upgrading to the latest OZ feed |
| 13:51:08 | kergoth | bipolar: ah. odd. |
| 13:51:22 | bipolar | blames oipkg for it all |
| 13:51:24 | ljp_work | now wonders what major bugs oz has.. |
| 13:51:37 | zecke | kergoth: I had to pull the battery yesterday until my Z was able to reflash |
| 13:51:37 | bipolar | ljp_work: I think they are all in oipkg. |
| 13:51:45 | bipolar | heh |
| 13:51:53 | zecke | kergoth: things like that are always pulling me back to the iPAQ |
| 13:51:56 | ljp_work | ya.. true |
| 13:51:57 | kergoth | bipolar: try uninstalling your packages installed to cf/sd/ram, then just ipkg upgrade; |
| 13:52:09 | bipolar | the package linking should be done by ipkg, methinks. |
| 13:52:26 | kergoth | bipolar: that'd be optimal. go pester hp/compaq |
| 13:52:28 | ljp_work | zecke: I havent had any problems like that |
| 13:52:28 | kergoth | heheh |
| 13:52:53 | bipolar | kergoth: Thats what I'm doing... :) |
| 13:52:56 | zecke | ljp_work: I don't know how I can get these problems though |
| 13:53:16 | ljp_work | sharp rom? |
| 13:53:21 | zecke | ljp_work: yesterday even df crashes and then my device didn't wanted to boot up again... |
| 13:53:27 | zecke | ljp_work: no OZ |
| 13:53:30 | Wembly | df? |
| 13:53:43 | Wembly | oh |
| 13:53:43 | kergoth | bipolar: good. we need two functions. 1) command line link to one dest from another.. and 2) we need a ipkg library, so apps like oipkg dont have to call out external processes. |
| 13:53:45 | Wembly | hehe |
| 13:53:54 | ljp_work | zecke: sounds like bad memory, maybe.. I dunno |
| 13:54:26 | ljp_work | odd.. |
| 13:54:33 | zecke | ljp_work: I gues I should send the device back to trolltech then... they should give me another one... |
| 13:54:39 | TrekCycling | I have a question. I'm wondering if OpenZaurus is based on familiar or based on Lineo's distro? Can you run Familiar on Zaurus? |
| 13:54:44 | ljp_work | hmm ;/ |
| 13:54:56 | TrekCycling | And one more question. Prices on the Z where I live are plumetting. Is there a reason for this? |
| 13:55:02 | ljp_work | zecke: did that ever happen withthe sharp rom? |
| 13:55:29 | zecke | ljp_work: yes |
| 13:55:39 | ljp_work | maybe thats a filesystem bug |
| 13:55:43 | ljp_work | ohh |
| 13:55:55 | zecke | ljp_work: but i dunno when i last ran that rom |
| 13:56:01 | kergoth | TrekCycling: openzaurus is a debian based distribution |
| 13:56:11 | kergoth | TrekCycling: in contrast to embedix which has redhat roots |
| 13:56:13 | ljp_work | heh TT said the qtopiadekstop source was a mistake.. |
| 13:56:26 | kergoth | TrekCycling: so though it wasnt derived from familiar, both it and familiar are based on debian, so they function similarly. |
| 13:56:38 | zecke | ljp_work: i know |
| 13:56:43 | zecke | i guessed so |
| 13:56:54 | bipolar | ljp_work: qtopia desktop source? |
| 13:56:56 | ljp_work | me too.. but I got it, and it compiles, and works with kde3 |
| 13:57:07 | zecke | but know i got mapi connection to outlook |
| 13:57:07 | bipolar | ljp_work: yay! |
| 13:57:15 | TrekCycling | kergoth: Is OpenZaurus as far along as Familiar + Opie? I sold my zaurus 5000D to buy an iPaq because I needed the keyboard for a class. Now I'm dropping the class, consequently returning the iPaq and thinking about buying a 5500. |
| 13:57:15 | ljp_work | if you use your kde3 libs that is' |
| 13:57:27 | zecke | ljp_work: we got a dcop too |
| 13:57:32 | kergoth | ljp_work: that source is probably the only qtopia desktop that actually syncs now that the security patch is applied, eh |
| 13:57:47 | ljp_work | hmm I never thought to lok at that |
| 13:57:51 | kergoth | TrekCycling:L define far along. it uses the same opie as ipaq does. you can install familiar packages into openzaurus, so it doesnt have less apps |
| 13:57:56 | zecke | kergoth Qtopia 1.5.1 is needed |
| 13:58:09 | bipolar | zecke: what do I have to do to sync my Z with KDE? Do I need to compile KDE from source or are there time-saving packages somewhere? |
| 13:58:19 | ljp_work | wait for kde 3.1 |
| 13:58:29 | TrekCycling | kergoth: Far along meaning as up to do as Opie. I like Opie (I think) more than Sharp's ROM, so I'm considering flashing it for that if I can. |
| 13:58:46 | kergoth | zecke: 1.5.1 isnt available. |
| 13:58:58 | kergoth | zecke, ljp_work: did you guys get the string-hex issue resolved? |
| 13:59:12 | ljp_work | I _think_ I did |
| 13:59:14 | kergoth | TrekCycling: opie is opie. opie on ipaq is the same as opie on OZ. |
| 13:59:28 | TrekCycling | kergoth: Cool |
| 13:59:29 | ljp_work | worked on the desktop anyway |
| 13:59:36 | bipolar | wah! I don't like to wait. :) |
| 13:59:38 | kergoth | TrekCycling: and OZ having writable flash will be more what you're used to as well |
| 13:59:58 | zecke | ljp_work did they remove qtopiadesktop now? |
| 14:00:07 | ljp_work | yes.. its gone from ftp |
| 14:00:16 | bipolar | ljp_work: but you have it? :) |
| 14:00:22 | ljp_work | yes |
| 14:00:29 | zecke | me too |
| 14:00:33 | ljp_work | heheh nice |
| 14:00:34 | TrekCycling | kergoth: Ah, so it uses j2ffs or whatever? |
| 14:00:39 | kergoth | nneeeedddd morreeee ccafffeeeeiiiinnneee |
| 14:00:44 | kergoth | TrekCycling: yes, jffs2 |
| 14:00:56 | TrekCycling | kergoth: Yeah, that :-) it's early |
| 14:01:12 | zecke | ljp_work: now we can run KDE3 on windoze without X11 root window |
| 14:01:24 | ljp_work | really?! |
| 14:01:27 | kergoth | sweet |
| 14:01:32 | TrekCycling | kergoth: Does it leave you a nice amount of space like Opie on familiar? I had like 15mb leftover constantly, meaning I had tons of space for apps and my whole flash card free |
| 14:01:36 | bipolar | ljp_work: and it compiles on kde3 nicely, eh? |
| 14:01:47 | kergoth | TrekCycling: on the sharp rom, that free space you see isnt in flash, its in a persistant ramdisk |
| 14:01:49 | ljp_work | oh ya, clean. |
| 14:02:00 | kergoth | TrekCycling: in OZ you have about 2-3 megs free in flash, plus the empty ramdisk ala the sharp rom |
| 14:02:11 | bipolar | ljp_work: would it be an evil thing for you to share it? |
| 14:02:28 | ljp_work | heheh yes.. they said I can't distribute it |
| 14:02:37 | TrekCycling | kergoth: Right, I was just wondering how much OZ took up. Familiar + Opie only takes up 15mb. |
| 14:02:39 | bipolar | ljp_work: what about binarys? |
| 14:02:50 | ljp_work | nope.. I dont have that license |
| 14:02:53 | kergoth | TrekCycling: well remember the Z only has 16 megs of flash to start with :-) |
| 14:02:53 | bipolar | ljp_work: are they just pissed that they fucked up? :) |
| 14:02:59 | TrekCycling | kergoth: I guess the big advantage then is being able to update software piece by piece |
| 14:02:59 | bipolar | heheh |
| 14:03:11 | ljp_work | hahah maybe.. they may release it to developers, tho |
| 14:03:13 | kergoth | TrekCycling: yes, exactly. and remove the pieces you dont want. you have more flexibility. |
| 14:03:16 | TrekCycling | kergoth: Oh, I didn't realize that |
| 14:03:35 | bipolar | ljp_work: so it would be really easy for them to release a redhat 7.3 binary RPM. |
| 14:03:43 | kergoth | TrekCycling: The 5500 has 16mb of flash, 64 megs of ram (split into 32 megs of ram and 32 megs of ramdisk) |
| 14:03:47 | ljp_work | oh ya.. |
| 14:03:54 | TrekCycling | kergoth: That sounds fine then. So do the OZ people split up the ram then in such a way that you have some filesystem and some ram? |
| 14:03:56 | bipolar | wants one of those. |
| 14:04:00 | TrekCycling | kergoth: Oh, there's my answer |
| 14:04:03 | kergoth | TrekCycling: you have your choice on memory balance. |
| 14:04:15 | kergoth | TrekCyling: sharp is 32-32. with OZ you can select the kernel with the memory balance you like. |
| 14:04:26 | kergoth | TrekCycling: myself, i like 24 megs of ramdisk and 40 megs of ram |
| 14:04:39 | bipolar | kergoth: me too. I don't use ramdisk for anything |
| 14:04:54 | ljp_work | I'd like that too |
| 14:04:54 | TrekCycling | kergoth: Cool. That's probably what I'll do then. I was thinking of getting a Palm, because I heard you can sync them with Linux (which I use at home as my desktop), but I really just love running Linux on my palmtop. |
| 14:05:23 | kergoth | TrekCycling: well, you can sync with linux evolution with a script.. same with kmail.. or you can wait for kde3 and get kitchensync to sync your Z with kdepim |
| 14:05:33 | kergoth | s/kde3/kde 3.1/ |
| 14:05:33 | kergoth | heh |
| 14:05:40 | kergoth | yeah, its morning alright |
| 14:05:48 | bipolar | kergoth: does the alpha of kde3.1 have it? |
| 14:05:54 | treke|home | hows the evolution script work? fairly well? |
| 14:05:55 | TrekCycling | kergoth: Does that Evolution script work yet? |
| 14:06:00 | TrekCycling | :-) |
| 14:06:08 | kergoth | treke, TrekCycling: ask roge99, he wrote it iirc. |
| 14:06:09 | TrekCycling | I use Evolution, so that would be my preference. |
| 14:06:15 | treke|home | wants to start synking his ipaq |
| 14:06:15 | TrekCycling | kergoth: Do you have a Z? The battery life isn't WORSE than the iPaq is it? I mean, it's the same or better, right? |
| 14:06:16 | ljp_work | bipolar: no, because kdepim is broken currenty |
| 14:06:21 | bipolar | fuh |
| 14:06:36 | treke|home | much rather use something gtk based for consistancy though :) |
| 14:06:49 | ljp_work | trek: ask zecke: he's got both |
| 14:07:06 | noidd | hmm, gtk |
| 14:07:08 | noidd | hides |
| 14:07:22 | ljp_work | there is gpe |
| 14:07:22 | zecke | ttrek: I use both only for development |
| 14:07:30 | treke|home | hehe. its no fun to program, but I like the look :) |
| 14:07:34 | zecke | trek: they sit most of the time in the cradle |
| 14:07:34 | benmeyer | /opt/Qtopia/lib/libqpe.so: could not read symbols: Invalid operation? |
| 14:07:37 | benmeyer | how is that for an error |
| 14:07:43 | benmeyer | really odd |
| 14:07:51 | noidd | benmeyer: perty ;-) |
| 14:07:56 | ljp_work | wrong processor |
| 14:07:56 | TrekCycling | zecke: I know they're both battery hogs. I'm just wondering if the Z is any worse than the iPaq. |
| 14:08:02 | benmeyer | sounds like file corruption to me |
| 14:08:08 | noidd | you know - its about time that Gtk got a Qt widget and Qt got a Gtk widget |
| 14:08:16 | TrekCycling | I've owned the iPaq and the 5000D and it SEEMED to me like the iPaq was worse. |
| 14:08:16 | noidd | so each one could swallow the other |
| 14:08:24 | kergoth | TrekCycling: ask bipolar, zecke, one of the people with both ipaqs and Zs. i cant compare battery life as i only have one :-) |
| 14:08:26 | benmeyer | kde already does |
| 14:08:33 | benmeyer | it is called XWidget I think |
| 14:08:46 | noidd | benmeyer: yeah, Gtk has that too - but it requires X |
| 14:08:47 | treke|home | TrekCycling: If you have an ipaq, I really dont think theres that much benefit in switching. Maybe when the new ones come out |
| 14:08:56 | noidd | swallows X sessions in a single gulp |
| 14:08:59 | TrekCycling | kergoth: I was trying to respond to zecke |
| 14:09:14 | kergoth | ah yeah |
| 14:09:18 | kergoth | definately morning |
| 14:09:20 | kergoth | drinks his coffee |
| 14:09:28 | treke|home | TrekCycling: What model ipaq do you have? |
| 14:09:32 | kergoth | ahaha jeesus |
| 14:09:42 | treke|home | if its a 3100, then scratch what I said :) |
| 14:09:47 | TrekCycling | treke|home: I'm returning the iPaq actually because now that I'm dropping my college class, it's overkill for me. I had a Zaurus before and switched to the iPaq so I could have a keyboard. |
| 14:09:49 | bipolar | TrekCycling: zaurus has better battery life, it seems to me. |
| 14:09:56 | TrekCycling | Now I don't need a keyboard. |
| 14:09:58 | kergoth | we just released a windows nt/2k/xp/etc driver that PASSED microsofts certification, but BLUESCREENS your box evey damn time. aha |
| 14:10:12 | bipolar | kergoth: LOL |
| 14:10:16 | ljp_work | hehehehehehee |
| 14:10:19 | bipolar | kergoth: ROTFLMAO |
| 14:10:19 | kergoth | doesnt say much for MS's testing now does it |
| 14:10:31 | toolafial | kergoth : isn't that the way it always goes? |
| 14:10:31 | TrekCycling | bipolar: thanks |
| 14:10:33 | ljp_work | ahhh it's _supposed_ to work like that |
| 14:10:37 | kergoth | toolafial: hehe |
| 14:10:38 | toolafial | kergoth : a support nightmare! |
| 14:10:46 | treke|home | bipolar: Compared to which ipaq? |
| 14:10:54 | JasonNJ | kergoth: digi boards always used to bluescreen my boxes |
| 14:10:55 | kergoth | toolafial: yeah, and me in support.. i'm glad we pulled the driver before too many people got it |
| 14:11:01 | kergoth | JasonNJ: hah, i'm not surprised |
| 14:11:01 | treke|home | The 3800 has a larger battery than the 3600. In case he has one of that |
| 14:11:05 | JasonNJ | the early PCI boards were nasty |
| 14:11:07 | bipolar | treke|home: I have a 3650 |
| 14:11:08 | TrekCycling | in my case I had the 3765 and the battery life bit |
| 14:11:10 | toolafial | kergoth : I had to deal with UnixWare updates - what a total mess ... remove this then add these in these order ... |
| 14:11:14 | JasonNJ | I switched 2 companies to comtrol because of it |
| 14:11:15 | kergoth | ughhh |
| 14:11:20 | kergoth | toolafial: i hateeee unixware. |
| 14:11:23 | treke|home | TrekCycling: Yeah 3700 and 3600 are the same battery life |
| 14:11:33 | TrekCycling | I heard the 3800 was better |
| 14:12:00 | treke|home | 3800 should be significantly better. Although I never ran out of power once the 2.4.16 kernel was released |
| 14:12:05 | kergoth | JasonNJ: the 2.5.x kernel probes for the flash chips, finds them, detects their capabilities, sets up the partitioning, then promptly fails to mount the rootfs. |
| 14:12:09 | kergoth | JasonNJ: hehe. grr! |
| 14:12:22 | whardier | http://segfault.bogomip.com/Tool,%20T%20-%20MIT%20Lockpicking%20Guide.pdf |
| 14:12:27 | JasonNJ | kergoth: is bzflag helping you? |
| 14:12:28 | kergoth | whardier: thats classic. |
| 14:12:46 | kergoth | JasonNJ: when I pester him, yeah. With this stuff I've been working with David Woodhouse more, it being his code. |
| 14:13:59 | kergoth | JasonNJ: I try to avoid pestering people like that if I dont have to though. I never bring a problem to someone without knowledge of the problem and at least an idea of where the problem lies |
| 14:14:01 | kergoth | heh |
| 14:14:22 | bipolar | kergoth: I have a suguestion that was made on zaurus-general a little while ago. I'd like to forward it to you as a possible change to OZ. I've found it VERY handy. |
| 14:14:32 | ljp_work | thats why he never asks me about any kernel things ;) |
| 14:14:48 | kergoth | bipolar: go right ahead. I prefer OZ suggestions and the like to get emailed to me so i dont ofrget about them :-) |
| 14:14:52 | TrekCycling | alright, thanks everyone, off to work. |
| 14:15:00 | kergoth | ljp_work: nono, i just know better :-P |
| 14:15:10 | bipolar | kergoth: is your email still kergoth at digitalnemesis.net? |
| 14:15:12 | ljp_work | haha |
| 14:15:19 | kergoth | bipolar: yeah |
| 14:15:41 | ljp_work | I think my toe was injured yesterday in the car wreck |
| 14:15:49 | kergoth | gonna sue? |
| 14:15:50 | Cloudchaser | sue him! |
| 14:15:50 | kergoth | heheh |
| 14:15:52 | kergoth | hehe |
| 14:15:56 | kergoth | morning Cloudchaser |
| 14:16:13 | noidd | who says the US isn't litigation happy ;-0 |
| 14:16:14 | Cloudchaser | hehe mornin! |
| 14:16:20 | kergoth | JasonNJ: you hear about the syncing situation with the latest OZ? |
| 14:18:28 | ljp_work | heheh.. no I'm not going to sue |
| 14:19:47 | treke|home | ljp_work: why not? its the american way |
| 14:20:02 | toolafial | check this out: it's a sharp mpeg recorder: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2038981651 |
| 14:21:29 | ljp_work | cause I hate legal things.. and I'm already in way debt to one for custody things the last 6 years |
| 14:21:31 | W|GGL|T | morning all |
| 14:21:40 | Cloudchaser | 'mornin |
| 14:21:42 | ljp_work | one being an attorney |
| 14:21:49 | W|GGL|T | woke up with a headache....bad omen |
| 14:22:44 | W|GGL|T | there any vnc howtos concerning the Z? |
| 14:22:45 | kergoth | W|GGL|T: that sucks. not a good way to begin the day |
| 14:23:31 | W|GGL|T | kergoth: yeah...hoping it'll go away soon, otherwise, i'll have to euthanize it :o) |
| 14:23:39 | W|GGL|T | motrin! |
| 14:23:46 | kergoth | heheh |
| 14:23:50 | kergoth | hey tux_mike |
| 14:23:56 | tux_mike | hey |
| 14:25:00 | warmi | hi |
| 14:25:25 | tux_mike | hey warmi |
| 14:25:28 | W|GGL|T | morning warmi |
| 14:25:30 | whardier | I HATE RICE CARS! |
| 14:25:42 | kergoth | hey warmi |
| 14:25:44 | W|GGL|T | rice cars? |
| 14:25:46 | kergoth | whardier: ? |
| 14:26:00 | toolafial | whardier : man I hear ya |
| 14:26:01 | kergoth | hm, i think i found my problem in the 2.5.x kernel. time to test |
| 14:26:08 | W|GGL|T | ahh...you mean japanese cars that have all that crap on them |
| 14:26:12 | whardier | I have a dude that lives in my apartment complex |
| 14:26:19 | tux_mike | whardier: you mean the tricked out honda civics? |
| 14:26:21 | toolafial | whardier : there are way too many of those that run around here |
| 14:26:22 | whardier | at 9:30 everyday I have to hear that thing speed away |
| 14:26:30 | W|GGL|T | yeah, annoying |
| 14:26:34 | W|GGL|T | loud pipe |
| 14:26:34 | tux_mike | ugh |
| 14:26:42 | whardier | now that I know when it happens |
| 14:26:48 | toolafial | we just laugh at the funny looking spoilers they put on them |
| 14:26:50 | tux_mike | stick a catelope in the exhaust |
| 14:26:53 | whardier | I am gonna ready the pvc paintball canon for tomorrow |
| 14:26:55 | W|GGL|T | loll |
| 14:26:56 | kergoth | eh, tricking out a honda? jeesus |
| 14:27:04 | kergoth | thats like, adding a rocket engine to a bicycle |
| 14:27:06 | kergoth | just not going to work |
| 14:27:10 | W|GGL|T | has a semi-loud exhaust |
| 14:27:10 | kergoth | heheh |
| 14:27:27 | W|GGL|T | i dont think it annoys the neighbors tho...and i drive sanely away |
| 14:27:40 | tux_mike | kergoth: actually, it's more like adding a non-functioning rocket engine to a bike |
| 14:27:49 | toolafial | they sound like a rock in a tin can |
| 14:28:02 | kergoth | tux_mike; yeah, there ya go |
| 14:28:03 | kergoth | :-) |
| 14:28:03 | whardier | hmm |
| 14:28:04 | toolafial | shaken violently |
| 14:28:23 | W|GGL|T | whardier: might be a noise pollution violation...make a complaint |
| 14:28:26 | whardier | no |
| 14:28:30 | whardier | I retaliate |
| 14:28:32 | W|GGL|T | where do you live? |
| 14:28:34 | kergoth | hehe |
| 14:28:36 | whardier | Colorado |
| 14:28:41 | W|GGL|T | in CA, its definitely a violation |
| 14:28:47 | whardier | yeah |
| 14:28:48 | whardier | get this |
| 14:28:50 | kergoth | bah, i agree with whardier, retaliate |
| 14:28:54 | whardier | a friend made a hydro electric car |
| 14:28:56 | JasonNJ | whardier: you know, if you had a job you wouldnt have to worry about it speeding away at 9:30 bcause you would be at WORK you slacker! |
| 14:29:02 | kergoth | hah |
| 14:29:02 | whardier | and wanted to get it emessions tested in LA |
| 14:29:07 | W|GGL|T | LOL JasonNJ |
| 14:29:14 | kergoth | no kidding, i wish i could be at home to hear anything at 9:30 |
| 14:29:17 | W|GGL|T | whardier: damn |
| 14:29:20 | whardier | anyhoot |
| 14:29:23 | whardier | it did not pass emessions |
| 14:29:31 | JasonNJ | interrupting whardier's beauty sleep |
| 14:29:33 | W|GGL|T | is always at home, 24-7 |
| 14:29:34 | whardier | because the air intake was sucking in poluted air |
| 14:29:36 | W|GGL|T | sucks |
| 14:29:38 | whardier | filtering it thru water |
| 14:29:42 | JasonNJ | while us poor bastards are stuck in traffic |
| 14:29:45 | whardier | then putting out to much of another gas |
| 14:29:47 | W|GGL|T | whardier: that sucks |
| 14:29:54 | tux_mike | lol |
| 14:30:02 | whardier | if it would have been in colorado it would have been clean burning |
| 14:30:05 | W|GGL|T | can hydroelectic motors use cats? |
| 14:30:20 | W|GGL|T | catalytic converters? |
| 14:30:26 | whardier | punches JasonNJ right in the goat |
| 14:30:36 | JasonNJ | I had jery like that with one of those loud tripped out cars... he used to do like 60mph down residential streets |
| 14:30:45 | whardier | W|GGL|T couldn't tell you to much about it :P |
| 14:30:48 | JasonNJ | I found out where he lived, I put molasses down his gas line |
| 14:30:52 | W|GGL|T | hehe |
| 14:31:02 | tux_mike | lol |
| 14:31:16 | ljp_work | mole asses |
| 14:31:21 | whardier | heh |
| 14:31:25 | whardier | squeeze |
| 14:31:41 | whardier | I am not sure which I wanna do |
| 14:31:44 | W|GGL|T | saw a poor guy driving slowly down the road yesterday with TWO flat tires |
| 14:31:45 | JasonNJ | huh huh you said ass |
| 14:31:45 | whardier | banana in the exhaust |
| 14:31:54 | whardier | or kettle korn on the engine block |
| 14:31:58 | W|GGL|T | might need a BIG banana |
| 14:32:03 | tux_mike | whardier: banana is too small, you need a cantelope |
| 14:32:11 | kergoth | hah |
| 14:32:14 | W|GGL|T | those honda guys have like 5" exhausts |
| 14:32:18 | tux_mike | do kettle korn in the engine first |
| 14:32:22 | kergoth | whardier: thermite. melt the engine block ;-) |
| 14:32:22 | W|GGL|T | LOL |
| 14:32:25 | ljp_work | throw a couple of blackcats in it |
| 14:32:27 | whardier | haha |
| 14:32:38 | whardier | kergoth: amazingly enough.. that came up in conversation a few days ago |
| 14:32:42 | kergoth | hehe |
| 14:32:53 | W|GGL|T | they sound like pissed off beehives |
| 14:32:56 | whardier | where am I gonna find all that rust? |
| 14:32:58 | W|GGL|T | not a muscular sound |
| 14:33:01 | kergoth | whardier: you know, that doesnt comed up in most peoples conversations. hehe |
| 14:33:07 | kergoth | whardier: good question, i never found a good source of it. |
| 14:33:15 | tux_mike | W|GGL|T: lol |
| 14:33:22 | kergoth | whardier: short of scraping it off old ass cars. hehe. |
| 14:33:37 | W|GGL|T | hehehe |
| 14:33:38 | kergoth | whardier: hm, could produce it on electrodes in liquid, right? |
| 14:33:48 | kergoth | struggles to remember his chemistry classes |
| 14:34:04 | whardier | yeah |
| 14:34:10 | whardier | use graphite electrodes |
| 14:34:14 | whardier | 10,000 volts |
| 14:34:15 | noidd | nfs++ # 5.2 Gig of space is enough storage for my Zaurus |
| 14:34:17 | whardier | water or baby oil |
| 14:34:23 | djax | http://caesar.student.utwente.nl/nerdtest.htm |
| 14:34:40 | whardier | never took chemestry |
| 14:34:48 | whardier | but he has shure spent a lot of time around CNC based machines |
| 14:35:01 | bipolar | hmmm.... the new oipkg seems to have improved somewhat |
| 14:35:17 | whardier | time for a smoke and a fart |
| 14:35:19 | kergoth | whardier: oh thats an idea. i never thought to ask my dad, he's a toolmaker/machinist, around that shit daily |
| 14:35:23 | kergoth | heh |
| 14:35:30 | kergoth | bbiaf, more caffeine |
| 14:35:54 | W|GGL|T | crap...can't figure out why my vnc client won't let the mouse work when connected to the Z |
| 14:35:56 | ljp_work | drinking coffee is chemistry |
| 14:35:57 | W|GGL|T | worked before |
| 14:36:01 | whardier | or just go to your local streets repair devision and ask them for the carbide bits they use to tear up roads |
| 14:36:04 | W|GGL|T | another bad omen |
| 14:36:20 | W|GGL|T | hrmmm....caffeine...good idea |
| 14:37:24 | W|GGL|T | and wtf does mozilla always have multiple (like 5) processes opened and there's only one mozzie window opened? |
| 14:37:25 | W|GGL|T | grrr |
| 14:37:29 | tux_mike | primacord? |
| 14:37:34 | W|GGL|T | 15mb hit each |
| 14:37:57 | JasonNJ | how big is the gecko engine? |
| 14:38:07 | JasonNJ | is it small enough to fit on the Z? |
| 14:38:20 | tux_mike | i doubt it |
| 14:38:23 | benmeyer | why? |
| 14:38:25 | W|GGL|T | dunno...prolly not |
| 14:38:28 | benmeyer | I hear dhta gecko is small |
| 14:38:34 | benmeyer | heard that |
| 14:38:40 | JasonNJ | just the core browser engine |
| 14:38:43 | benmeyer | it is the xml gui engine that is bloat |
| 14:38:44 | JasonNJ | not full blown mozila |
| 14:38:45 | tux_mike | it's gonna take a lot of axe swings to chop it down :) |
| 14:38:49 | kergoth | gecko is pretty small. |
| 14:38:51 | W|GGL|T | small engine with a big appetite |
| 14:39:01 | kergoth | look at the kmeleon windows browser project. |
| 14:39:02 | JasonNJ | I'd like to see it implemented in qtopia |
| 14:39:03 | kergoth | kmeleon.sf.net |
| 14:39:09 | kergoth | kmeleon uses gecko but is damn small. |
| 14:39:15 | benmeyer | is kmeleon for windows? |
| 14:39:18 | kergoth | yeah |
| 14:39:24 | benmeyer | under qt? |
| 14:39:25 | kergoth | it hasnt been updated with the latest gecko engine in some time |
| 14:39:31 | JasonNJ | konq/e isnt bad but I think the gecko engine is better than konqs right now |
| 14:39:39 | JasonNJ | unless we use the engine from Konq 3.0 |
| 14:39:42 | kergoth | dont know what it uses for a toolkit. just used it as an example of how small the engine gets. |
| 14:39:59 | W|GGL|T | brb...gonna make some coffee |
| 14:40:08 | ljp_work | I thought you needed mozilla installed for kameleon |
| 14:40:24 | tux_mike | i like khtml better than gecko, but for some reason on my system it's acting horrible |
| 14:40:51 | kergoth | ljp_work: nope, its independent |
| 14:41:02 | kergoth | I love gecko, but mozilla is kinda hefty |
| 14:41:16 | kergoth | which is why i like projects like kmeleon that minimalize hte interface |
| 14:41:42 | | dwmw2_ was last seen on #opie 15 days, 15 hours, 50 minutes and 0 seconds ago, saying: is now [Tue Jul 2 23:51:42 2002] |
| 14:41:42 | kergoth | ibot: seen dwmw2_ |
| 14:41:43 | | dwmw2 was last seen on #opie 2 days, 6 hours, 31 minutes and 37 seconds ago, saying: too early [Tue Jul 16 09:10:06 2002] |
| 14:41:43 | kergoth | ibot: seen dwmw2 |
| 14:41:47 | | I haven't seen 'dwmw2-', kergoth |
| 14:41:47 | kergoth | ibot: seen dwmw2- |
| 14:41:49 | kergoth | heh |
| 14:41:58 | warmi | . |
| 14:42:17 | tux_mike | anyone know how to change konq to use gecko? i have the kdebindings-mozilla package installed |
| 14:42:44 | noidd | hmm, is there a native arm gcc floating about? I really dont fancy the idea of cross-compiling gcc :-) |
| 14:43:11 | giminy | testdrive.compaq.com has some native arm boxes you can compile on |
| 14:43:18 | kergoth | noidd: native arm gcc? yeah, iirc there's sa gcc on ZSI |
| 14:43:25 | giminy | but the cross compiler works just fine |
| 14:43:27 | kergoth | s/sa /a / |
| 14:43:44 | benmeyer | noidd: see zsi |
| 14:43:45 | noidd | ZSI? |
| 14:43:47 | kergoth | the skiffs are dog slow |
| 14:43:47 | benmeyer | for a native |
| 14:43:48 | kergoth | heh |
| 14:43:50 | | somebody said zsi was http://killefiz.de/zaurus/ |
| 14:43:50 | kergoth | ibot: zsi? |
| 14:43:50 | bipolar | where is the new bug tracking system again? |
| 14:43:54 | | rumour has it zsi is http://killefiz.de/zaurus/ |
| 14:43:54 | benmeyer | ibot zsi |
| 14:43:58 | kergoth | bipolar: http://opie.info/bugs/ |
| 14:44:03 | noidd | thanks |
| 14:44:04 | noidd | :-) |
| 14:44:11 | bipolar | kergoth: thanks. I found one in Addressbook |
| 14:44:16 | kergoth | np |
| 14:44:32 | kergoth | bipolar: i wish i had time to do more proper bug reporting |
| 14:44:34 | kergoth | heh |
| 14:46:39 | giminy | anybody here tried compiling ipchains for arm? |
| 14:47:24 | kergoth | giminy: for what? its 2.4, use iptables |
| 14:47:33 | kergoth | giminy: OZ has a iptables package, and the modules |
| 14:47:52 | giminy | oh yeah, haven't been messing with 2.4 enough |
| 14:49:04 | whardier | hmm |
| 14:49:05 | whardier | in a chroot |
| 14:49:11 | whardier | how would you init all the stuff |
| 14:49:21 | whardier | in /etc/init.d? |
| 14:49:24 | whardier | just like a normal bootup |
| 14:49:32 | ljp_work | reboot |
| 14:49:34 | ljp_work | :D |
| 14:49:39 | whardier | :) |
| 14:49:58 | ljp_work | ok, that probably wouldnt work |
| 14:50:16 | kergoth | whardier: heh, wtf are you doing |
| 14:50:23 | kergoth | whardier: hey, you see 2.5.x has UML now? :-) |
| 14:50:31 | whardier | yeah |
| 14:50:35 | whardier | I was ultra happy about that |
| 14:50:38 | whardier | ULTRA! |
| 14:50:47 | kergoth | hehe |
| 14:50:51 | kergoth | I figured you would be |
| 14:50:53 | whardier | I just should not use it right now |
| 14:51:07 | kergoth | It'd be fun to use for testing .. especially given 2.5.x's lacking stability atm |
| 14:51:10 | whardier | well |
| 14:51:17 | whardier | I wouild love to use the ARP iptables stuff |
| 14:51:22 | whardier | that is what I am going for |
| 14:51:25 | whardier | arp masq |
| 14:51:25 | whardier | heh |
| 14:51:25 | kergoth | ah.. |
| 14:51:30 | kergoth | arp masq? |
| 14:51:33 | kergoth | whats that? |
| 14:51:34 | whardier | yeah |
| 14:51:40 | whardier | masquerading arp requests |
| 14:51:52 | kergoth | dear god, why |
| 14:51:53 | kergoth | hehe |
| 14:51:55 | whardier | then I can bridge 802.11 with 802.3 |
| 14:52:01 | whardier | without needing to bridge |
| 14:52:01 | whardier | heh |
| 14:52:01 | kergoth | ah |
| 14:52:20 | kergoth | course there's proxyarp, but that wouldnt be fun on a box acting as a bridge |
| 14:52:26 | whardier | well |
| 14:52:29 | whardier | I use parprouted |
| 14:52:33 | whardier | a proxy arp routing daemon |
| 14:52:36 | kergoth | ah |
| 14:52:36 | whardier | it listens for arps |
| 14:52:43 | whardier | then sets up routes and set sup proxy arp dynamically |
| 14:52:46 | whardier | but it sucks eggs |
| 14:52:53 | whardier | and needs a control layer |
| 14:53:06 | whardier | so it knows who its parprouted neighbors are and can release those routes |
| 14:53:14 | whardier | when I move from ap to ap |
| 14:53:22 | kergoth | ahh... that makes sense |
| 14:53:27 | whardier | I would rather get orinoco.c working right |
| 14:53:32 | kergoth | I'm not used to thinking in a adhoc context |
| 14:53:34 | kergoth | hehe |
| 14:53:39 | kergoth | whats orinoco doing wrong? |
| 14:53:43 | whardier | kergoth my whole world is ad hoc |
| 14:53:46 | whardier | well |
| 14:53:51 | whardier | I have no clue what the HostAP dude did |
| 14:53:55 | whardier | but he is bridging prisms |
| 14:54:03 | whardier | I have had no response from him yet on how |
| 14:54:24 | whardier | I have been scanning thru source non stop lately |
| 14:54:44 | whardier | everybody says there is a protocol limitation in the 802.11 protocol |
| 14:54:47 | whardier | they are right |
| 14:54:58 | whardier | it will only recieve packets from the access point.. or its ad-hoc neighbors |
| 14:55:06 | whardier | it has no idea what is beyond either |
| 14:55:34 | kergoth | he's bridging prisms? |
| 14:55:38 | kergoth | with the hostap stuff? |
| 14:55:46 | whardier | well wlan is bridgfable by itself |
| 14:55:50 | whardier | bridgeable |
| 14:55:59 | whardier | I have no clue how they do it |
| 14:56:02 | kergoth | ah |
| 14:56:16 | whardier | bridge from the wifi card to a wired card |
| 14:56:36 | whardier | all I know is I am somewhat pissy about the whole deal |
| 14:56:41 | whardier | I don't wanna use prism cards |
| 14:56:45 | whardier | they suck |
| 14:56:46 | kergoth | heh, why not? |
| 14:56:49 | kergoth | ah, good reason |
| 14:56:55 | kergoth | hehe |
| 14:57:00 | whardier | low bandwidth rating |
| 14:57:01 | whardier | low power |
| 14:57:12 | whardier | then again |
| 14:57:18 | whardier | with simple stuff like coffee shops |
| 14:57:28 | whardier | I can take a PCI prism2 card with those duck antennas |
| 14:57:31 | whardier | place one in the store |
| 14:57:33 | whardier | and be done with it |
| 14:57:47 | whardier | </blabber> |
| 14:57:49 | kergoth | heh, I need to learn more about this wireless shit. got any urls handy? |
| 14:57:51 | whardier | I am ignoring coding |
| 14:57:59 | whardier | kergoth: www.google.com ? |
| 14:58:03 | kergoth | bah |
| 14:58:03 | kergoth | bastard |
| 14:58:05 | whardier | bah |
| 14:58:07 | whardier | www.nocat.org |
| 14:58:38 | kergoth | hah i like their albert einstein quote |
| 14:59:12 | treke | ha |
| 15:00:18 | whardier | thats a cool quote |
| 15:03:12 | kergoth | note to self: dont stay up till 3:30 and get up at 7 during the week. |
| 15:03:34 | whardier | cow |
| 15:03:47 | kergoth | you ever see that movie Dirty Work? |
| 15:03:50 | kergoth | i need to buy that |
| 15:03:55 | whardier | I have it |
| 15:04:00 | whardier | I watched it about a week ago again |
| 15:04:01 | kergoth | i love that movie |
| 15:04:05 | whardier | it is a good movie |
| 15:04:07 | kergoth | norm mcdonald is funny as hell |
| 15:04:10 | treke | good movie |
| 15:04:50 | sig | W|GGL|T: |
| 15:04:53 | kergoth | Look, its a dead hooker! and look! another one! |
| 15:04:55 | kergoth | lol |
| 15:04:56 | sig | I got my package today!! |
| 15:06:41 | XavierXeon | anyone here who is REALLY good in C++ ? |
| 15:07:05 | treke | I've never seen so many dead hookers in my life! |
| 15:07:37 | whardier | haha |
| 15:07:44 | kergoth | lol |
| 15:07:52 | oGMo | XavierXeon: depends on your definition of "REALLY", but what's the issue? |
| 15:07:52 | whardier | lord knows I have |
| 15:07:53 | kergoth | i need to buy that tomorrow when i get paid |
| 15:07:59 | kergoth | hah |
| 15:08:13 | whardier | atleast my nose wasn't bit off by a SIAGON WHORE! |
| 15:08:19 | whardier | "YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU BASTARD" |
| 15:09:03 | kergoth | "hey yeah, and remember when you were 17, and you slept with her?" *shudders all around* |
| 15:09:04 | XavierXeon | i have a class with private member variables and i want to pass a function pointer to another class. the function in question uses the private mebmbers. |
| 15:09:29 | oGMo | XavierXeon: you mean a pointer to a member function? |
| 15:09:48 | XavierXeon | oGMo: yes but the function is not static |
| 15:09:57 | benmeyer | is the smallest port 0 or 1? |
| 15:10:04 | kergoth | benmeyer: ? tcp port? |
| 15:10:05 | oGMo | XavierXeon: should I assume you really really know what you're doing and you're not trying to use it as a callback to a C function or similar? |
| 15:10:07 | benmeyer | yah |
| 15:10:15 | benmeyer | for ftp |
| 15:10:25 | benmeyer | 1-65000? |
| 15:10:29 | oGMo | because pointers to member functions are rather painful and can't under any circumstances be used that way |
| 15:10:36 | tux_mike | tcp ports 1 and 0 are both reserved |
| 15:10:47 | benmeyer | 2-65000 then? |
| 15:10:55 | XavierXeon | oGMo: that is exactly the point |
| 15:11:15 | sig | wow, this case is super nice |
| 15:11:34 | tux_mike | benmeyer: yah |
| 15:11:42 | JasonNJ | I hate thursday |
| 15:11:47 | kergoth | benmeyer: technically its up to 65535 |
| 15:11:53 | oGMo | XavierXeon: using it to a callback? Can't be done (directly). If you don't believe me, go check the C++ FAQ Lite. ;) There _may_ be hope, though, if you can pass 1) a function and 2) a piece of data to be passed to the function |
| 15:11:56 | kergoth | JasonNJ: me too, primarily because its not friday. |
| 15:12:17 | JasonNJ | nothing a margarita cant fix |
| 15:12:21 | bipolar | kergoth: who maintains opie-addressbook? |
| 15:12:22 | kergoth | true that |
| 15:12:29 | treke | benmeyer: dont forget that you have to be root to bind below 1024 |
| 15:12:34 | kergoth | bipolar: tux_mike has done work on it in the past |
| 15:12:38 | XavierXeon | oGMo: the only thing i found is doing a static wrapper to the function which then can not access private members |
| 15:12:41 | tux_mike | hides from bipolar :) |
| 15:12:52 | tux_mike | bipolar: what's the matter? |
| 15:13:00 | oGMo | XavierXeon: you can't access any members---they don't exist. It's static, not tied to any object. |
| 15:13:03 | zecke | bipolar: tux_mike |
| 15:13:03 | tux_mike | i kind of maintain it :) |
| 15:13:14 | bipolar | tux_mike: opie-addressbook is fucked up. It keeps swaping fields like it's reading from one and writing to anouther |
| 15:13:16 | sig | I just bought one of these cases: http://www.pielframa.com/Sharp.Zaurus.htm |
| 15:13:25 | sig | this case is super ass nice |
| 15:13:26 | oGMo | XavierXeon: what do you get, when you register your callback? Can you store a pointer to be passed to it? |
| 15:13:33 | sig | everyone should buy one |
| 15:13:35 | tux_mike | bipolar: wtf... eample please |
| 15:13:47 | sig | W|GGL|T: I got my case!! |
| 15:13:54 | sig | it is sooooo nice! |
| 15:14:07 | sig | came with luxury packing..... heh |
| 15:14:29 | XavierXeon | oGMo: i can only store a pointer to the generic function but not to an initialised class containing the function |
| 15:14:37 | bipolar | tux_mike: liek after entering all data in a contact, it sets the contact field that you see on the main screen to the last name |
| 15:14:38 | W|GGL|T | sig: damn...that was sorta quick |
| 15:14:43 | sig | W|GGL|T: yeah |
| 15:14:47 | zecke | oGMo; callback in c++.... ouch |
| 15:14:49 | W|GGL|T | sig: yeah, the box is nice |
| 15:14:49 | W|GGL|T | hehe |
| 15:14:50 | sig | I am really really impressed |
| 15:14:51 | oGMo | XavierXeon: ok, then you're basically screwed |
| 15:14:56 | whardier | talky talky talky |
| 15:14:59 | oGMo | zecke, yeah exactly ;) |
| 15:15:02 | sig | fits like a glove |
| 15:15:04 | W|GGL|T | told you you'd be impressed :o) |
| 15:15:09 | tux_mike | bipolar: that contact field is something left from TT, it's very wierd |
| 15:15:12 | XavierXeon | oGMo: thats what i thought, thanks anyway :) |
| 15:15:24 | W|GGL|T | sig: i sent them back an email telling them how happy i was with it |
| 15:15:33 | sig | I think I will too |
| 15:15:40 | oGMo | XavierXeon: the ONE trick you can pull is making a separate function that calls a pointer to the object with the method, then you pass a structure containing the method and the object |
| 15:15:46 | oGMo | but without that... oops |
| 15:15:49 | sig | I was trying to sell there site in here |
| 15:15:55 | sig | I think everyone would be impressed |
| 15:15:56 | W|GGL|T | ive yet to see a case that's as nice |
| 15:15:58 | sig | http://www.pielframa.com/Sharp.Zaurus.htm |
| 15:16:12 | bipolar | tux_mike: it's screwing all kinds of things up like that though. |
| 15:16:13 | sig | everyone should get one |
| 15:16:22 | tux_mike | bipolar: you using OZ? |
| 15:16:24 | XavierXeon | oGMo: i just pass the whole instance of the class now. not very pretty but it works |
| 15:16:42 | W|GGL|T | sig: you get the black one? |
| 15:16:48 | sig | yeah |
| 15:16:54 | oGMo | XavierXeon: well, if it works, i guess... |
| 15:16:55 | sig | let me take a pic with my camera |
| 15:16:59 | XavierXeon | sig: i got that one also |
| 15:17:02 | bipolar | tux_mike: yes |
| 15:17:12 | W|GGL|T | that's 3 in here that have one |
| 15:17:13 | tux_mike | bipolar: i'm using a fairly recent opie and having no such problems |
| 15:17:23 | W|GGL|T | XavierXeon: you happy with it? |
| 15:17:23 | tux_mike | i'll try flashing with the lates OZ |
| 15:17:34 | bipolar | tux_mike: I just reflashed with the latest OZ |
| 15:17:39 | W|GGL|T | it rocks! |
| 15:18:09 | XavierXeon | W|GGL|T: the only thing is you can not connect the power easily |
| 15:18:10 | tux_mike | bipolar: i'll look at it the first chance i get this afternoon. |
| 15:18:20 | tux_mike | kergoth: the OZ3 feed is up to date, right? |
| 15:18:25 | W|GGL|T | haven't tried...lemme do it |
| 15:18:26 | kergoth | tux_mike: yes. |
| 15:18:40 | sig | gtkam is sweet |
| 15:19:05 | whardier | I am 73% done with Jak and Dexter |
| 15:19:26 | W|GGL|T | XavierXeon: you are right |
| 15:19:32 | W|GGL|T | bottom leather is too thick |
| 15:19:33 | oGMo | man, i hope OZ handles documents a little better |
| 15:19:57 | XavierXeon | whardier: Jak and Dexter gets very tough in the end |
| 15:20:16 | oGMo | jak and daxter rocks |
| 15:20:18 | W|GGL|T | i suppose you could just slide the whole Z out of the case for that...quicker than battling with the power cable |
| 15:20:58 | XavierXeon | W|GGL|T: i just made the hole for the power cable bigger |
| 15:21:09 | W|GGL|T | good idea |
| 15:21:17 | W|GGL|T | how'd you do that without wrecking it? |
| 15:22:21 | XavierXeon | i just used some very small scissor |
| 15:22:22 | zecke | oGMo: is new this( *this ); working? |
| 15:22:40 | oGMo | zecke: ? |
| 15:22:41 | sig | my camera sucks |
| 15:23:08 | zecke | oGMo: how can I call a c'tor from the this pointer? |
| 15:23:17 | oGMo | you can't say new this anyway, afaik ;) |
| 15:23:17 | noidd | could someone please tell me the include version of the environmet variable LD_LIBRARY_PATH please :-) |
| 15:23:23 | noidd | ??_INCLUDE_PATH? |
| 15:23:43 | oGMo | zecke, ideally you need to build a clone function |
| 15:23:47 | oGMo | well, that's not ideal |
| 15:23:48 | noidd | or something like that |
| 15:24:02 | XavierXeon | * liquid on the Z looks so cool * |
| 15:24:08 | zecke | oGMo: ye I got a virtual clone funtion inside a template |
| 15:24:15 | noidd | XavierXeon: liquid? |
| 15:24:34 | zecke | oGMo: but the user of the template would have to iplement it's own clone function which should be unnecessary |
| 15:24:40 | oGMo | IDEALLY you could get a Class object or relavent metadata about the class and construct a call to the constructor you desire, but you can't do that in C++, as far as i've tried, and i've tried a LOT |
| 15:24:44 | XavierXeon | noidd: liquid comes as a opie package for OZ |
| 15:24:52 | noidd | XavierXeon: thanks :-) |
| 15:24:52 | oGMo | zecke: why..? |
| 15:25:15 | oGMo | zecke: actually for that I use a macro inside the class, although if you're not doing inheritance and just using templates you may not need to |
| 15:25:16 | zecke | oGMo: I'm lazy |
| 15:26:03 | zecke | oGMo: I'm inhereting the template.... one I typedef the other I inherit |
| 15:26:09 | oGMo | i use something like CLASS_INFO(classname, parent) and that gives you clone(), className() (i think i call it something else), isA(), etc. |
| 15:27:06 | oGMo | zecke: hrm, i'd have to see the details of what you're doing, i think |
| 15:27:06 | zecke | oGMo: hmm that's not clean... I could use QObject for that if I want to or typeinfo |
| 15:27:23 | zecke | oGMo: kdepim/kitchensync/lib/ |
| 15:27:39 | oGMo | meh, Q_OBJECT or whatever is just a macro ;) |
| 15:27:45 | oGMo | zecke: ah |
| 15:27:56 | zecke | oGMo: synctemplate.h incidencetemplate.h and syncer.h + implementation todysyncee.h eventsyncee.h |
| 15:27:58 | oGMo | i don't know if that gives you clone() though |
| 15:28:07 | zecke | oGMo: no |
| 15:28:13 | oGMo | figures :P |
| 15:28:21 | zecke | oGMo: clone() is part of my interface |
| 15:28:35 | zecke | oGMo: now I'm cloning from inside the inheretance |
| 15:29:15 | zecke | I've to go now.... need to write some test apps.... |
| 15:29:16 | oGMo | zecke: well basically clone is just: MyClass* clone(void) { return new MyClass(*this); } |
| 15:29:27 | W|GGL|T | sig: my camera sucks too...analog vhc camcorder with digital pic capability. |
| 15:29:40 | oGMo | but there's no way to say MyClass in a dynamic manner, so you either need a macro to simplify or you need to rewrite it in every class |
| 15:29:50 | oGMo | zecke: k, ttyl |
| 15:29:53 | zecke | oGMo: Syncee MySyncee::clone() { return new MySyncee(*this ); } |
| 15:30:00 | zecke | oGMo: in my case |
| 15:30:02 | oGMo | zecke: yeah |
| 15:30:30 | oGMo | fires qtopiadesktop for just sitting here and not backing stuff up |
| 15:31:26 | sig | W|GGL|T: I'm looking on ebay now, I've found a few good cameras for cheap |
| 15:31:33 | zecke | pets his qtopiadesktop source code.... |
| 15:31:39 | kergoth | hah |
| 15:31:44 | sig | W|GGL|T: I thought my new cdrw would get here before my case |
| 15:32:05 | zecke | kergoth: ? |
| 15:32:20 | kergoth | nothing |
| 15:32:25 | kergoth | i dont have enough caffeine in my system yet |
| 15:32:28 | kergoth | hehe |
| 15:33:19 | kergoth | drinks his coffee |
| 15:33:22 | noidd | anyone know the ENVironment variable for include directories? Like LD_LIBRARY_PATH but for headers? |
| 15:33:23 | noidd | :-) |
| 15:33:36 | oGMo | fires noidd ;) |
| 15:33:52 | noidd | what have I done this time oGMo :-P |
| 15:34:21 | kergoth | noidd: its not an environment variable, to my knowledge |
| 15:34:29 | noidd | ok, thanks... |
| 15:34:32 | oGMo | what kergoth said |
| 15:34:37 | noidd | no wonder I can't find it :-) |
| 15:34:40 | kergoth | hehe |
| 15:34:43 | oGMo | edit your specs file if you want to add /usr/local/include or whatever |
| 15:34:46 | kergoth | it'd be nice if it was actually, but hey |
| 15:34:56 | kergoth | i hate editing the specs file |
| 15:34:57 | kergoth | i really do |
| 15:34:58 | noidd | kergoth: would have been consistant. |
| 15:35:06 | kergoth | bah, consistancy, who needs it |
| 15:35:08 | kergoth | ;-) |
| 15:35:17 | oGMo | yeah, but if you use autoconf/automake like you SHOULD, you can just use CFLAGS="-I/path/to/includes" ;) |
| 15:35:23 | noidd | consistancy and symetry - whatever next :-) |
| 15:35:25 | oGMo | or CXXFLAGS, as appropriate |
| 15:35:28 | kergoth | autoconf.. |
| 15:35:30 | kergoth | growls |
| 15:35:35 | noidd | hides |
| 15:35:52 | W|GGL|T | http://www.wigglit.com/webcam/index.htm |
| 15:35:53 | W|GGL|T | :o) |
| 15:36:03 | kergoth | woooooooooooo |
| 15:36:05 | kergoth | hooooooooooo |
| 15:36:07 | treke | hey, has anyone used intellisync over wireless? |
| 15:36:17 | kergoth | thanks to the invaluable assistance of david woodhouse, 2.5.x just mounted my rootfs again ;-) |
| 15:36:20 | kergoth | dances a jig |
| 15:36:22 | darienm | eeeeek ! |
| 15:36:24 | oGMo | meh. with apologies to santyana, those who don't use autoconf are doomed to repeat it, poorly... and make life for people trying to install stuff a pain |
| 15:36:41 | darienm | Is that cam routing thru your zauus and out thru boa ? |
| 15:36:42 | darienm | :) |
| 15:36:47 | kergoth | hah |
| 15:36:49 | kergoth | boa is nifty. |
| 15:36:58 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 15:36:58 | W|GGL|T | no |
| 15:36:59 | | catalin was last seen on #opie 2 days, 22 hours, 43 minutes and 27 seconds ago, saying: ljp_work: and there's also mini-skins, which is quite an innovation for Qtopia [Mon Jul 15 17:53:32 2002] |
| 15:36:59 | darienm | ibot seen catalin |
| 15:37:02 | W|GGL|T | XP |
| 15:37:10 | kergoth | fuck, remind me to turn down the jffs2 and mtd debugging levels |
| 15:37:13 | kergoth | i cant see a damn thing its so much |
| 15:37:17 | kergoth | whew |
| 15:37:27 | darienm | You're a handsome devil, W|GGL|T |
| 15:37:32 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 15:37:37 | darienm | I bet you drive the girls wild |
| 15:37:38 | W|GGL|T | still have that morning look |
| 15:38:12 | kergoth | nice lamp. |
| 15:38:13 | kergoth | :-P |
| 15:38:28 | oGMo | lags out grabbing openzaurus, bbl |
| 15:38:49 | kergoth | fuck, its taking like an hour to boot |
| 15:39:21 | kergoth | but its booting! |
| 15:39:25 | kergoth | dances another jig |
| 15:39:37 | W|GGL|T | heh |
| 15:39:48 | kergoth | you have no idea how much easier this makes my life |
| 15:39:49 | kergoth | :-) |
| 15:39:59 | bipolar | kergoth: what is it? |
| 15:40:01 | kergoth | commits the ChangeSet to linux-cl.bkbits.net |
| 15:40:08 | kergoth | bipolar: 2.5.21-rmk1-cl1 is booting. |
| 15:40:12 | kergoth | :-) |
| 15:40:14 | bipolar | bashes qtopiadesktop upside the head. |
| 15:40:18 | kergoth | helps |
| 15:40:21 | bipolar | kergoth: cool |
| 15:40:38 | tux_mike | kergoth: what advantages does it have? |
| 15:40:48 | [DrEvil] | starts to flame on zaurus-general |
| 15:40:50 | bipolar | how do you get this shit to run again? |
| 15:41:01 | kergoth | tux_mike: shitloads of improvements includign a hell of a lot better handling of power.. |
| 15:41:15 | kergoth | tux_mike: but this wont be what OZ releases with. i'll backport to 2.4.19 |
| 15:41:16 | tux_mike | kergoth: is there an MMC driver? |
| 15:41:19 | W|GGL|T | damn damn damn |
| 15:41:30 | kergoth | tux_mike: no, but Tim Riker is going to build me a new binary module :-) |
| 15:41:35 | tux_mike | cool |
| 15:42:05 | kergoth | tux_mike: well, there is a open source mmc driver but it doesnt work with the Z atm, because our SD is attached to a sharp proprietary chip |
| 15:42:19 | kergoth | tux_mike: i may fix that at some point for people that want to use it |
| 15:42:30 | tux_mike | cool |
| 15:42:31 | bipolar | kergoth: why are you porting to 2.5 if you are not going to release it? |
| 15:42:48 | kergoth | bipolar: i'll release the kernel, but it wont be what the oz 3.0 final release comes with by default. |
| 15:42:58 | bipolar | ahh |
| 15:43:17 | kergoth | bipolar: so that I take things in a direction that the kernel folks want things going in. I dont want to start working something in a certain way and find out "Well, you know, we were planning on getting rid of that anyway" |
| 15:43:37 | bipolar | why is there no README in the qtopia desktop tgz? |
| 15:43:43 | kergoth | bipolar: So doing it tthis way i find out the direction they're heading in, plus i can get the patches pushed upstream into the rmk tree |
| 15:43:52 | kergoth | because TT has issue.s |
| 15:43:53 | kergoth | heheh |
| 15:43:54 | tux_mike | bipolar: because it's TT |
| 15:44:06 | tux_mike | we don't need no steenkin README |
| 15:44:17 | kergoth | hehe |
| 15:44:55 | | feed is probably a package repository or http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds or http://www.zauruszone.com/feed/ or http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/ for OpenZaurus |
| 15:44:55 | tux_mike | ibot feed |
| 15:45:03 | bipolar | tux_mike: kergoth: whats worse is that the leaked code builds with kde3 flawlessly. They would have no probs whatsoever making RPMs/Debs for distribution. |
| 15:45:13 | bipolar | so how the fuck do I run this?! |
| 15:45:18 | kergoth | bipolar: hehe. good luck |
| 15:45:32 | bipolar | JasonNJ: ping |
| 15:45:38 | tux_mike | bipolar: i know, tt is starting to irritate me |
| 15:45:54 | kergoth | tux_mike: starting? |
| 15:45:56 | kergoth | ;-) |
| 15:46:01 | W|GGL|T | there are good instructions at the ZZ howtos |
| 15:46:05 | NetAmp | hey guys |
| 15:46:08 | kergoth | hey netamp |
| 15:46:10 | kergoth | still enjoying your Z? |
| 15:46:17 | NetAmp | check out this sweet startup screen ;) |
| 15:46:18 | NetAmp | http://www.remz-jay.org/~netamp/linux240x320.jpg |
| 15:46:26 | NetAmp | kergoth: yes I'm surely enjoying it! :D |
| 15:46:28 | [DrEvil] | whew |
| 15:46:31 | bipolar | kergoth: hell yeah |
| 15:46:37 | [DrEvil] | damn whiners on zaurus-general |
| 15:46:57 | tux_mike | evil: what are they complaining about now? |
| 15:46:58 | bipolar | kergoth: it's a great piece of hardware. the software sux, but at least OZ sux less. |
| 15:46:58 | XavierXeon | NetAmp: would ake a good opie background |
| 15:47:06 | NetAmp | XavierXeon: yeah ;) hehe |
| 15:47:11 | [DrEvil] | Best Buy putting the Z on clearance |
| 15:47:26 | W|GGL|T | that bad? |
| 15:47:27 | [DrEvil] | and they bought the service plan |
| 15:47:36 | [DrEvil] | and since they wont be carrying the Z they are SOL |
| 15:47:39 | [DrEvil] | blah blah blah |
| 15:47:49 | W|GGL|T | bah...just return it and say its broken |
| 15:47:56 | W|GGL|T | they'll give you your money back |
| 15:48:03 | [DrEvil] | it sounds like the Clie usergroups I was on |
| 15:48:03 | NetAmp | kergoth: I played an mpeg on it from http://warriorsofthe.net, i guess not fullspeed but still plays quite good imo |
| 15:48:06 | [DrEvil] | whine whine whine |
| 15:48:23 | [DrEvil] | they will give you a gift card if you have had it more than a month and bought the service plan |
| 15:48:58 | W|GGL|T | if its 'broken', they'll do more than that |
| 15:49:07 | [DrEvil] | yes |
| 15:49:08 | [DrEvil] | but |
| 15:49:12 | treke | [DrEvil]: More than likely, they'd give you an ipaq or something if you had to return it for the extended service plan |
| 15:49:21 | W|GGL|T | yeh |
| 15:49:24 | NetAmp | XavierXeon: you can only change it on opie right, not default qtopia? |
| 15:49:31 | NetAmp | XavierXeon: the background i mean |
| 15:49:40 | [DrEvil] | if there is not a replacement that you like they will give you a gift card in the amount you paid plus the service plan price |
| 15:49:59 | treke | my paents have gotten that plan for their laptops, and its worked out for their benefit a couple of times |
| 15:50:04 | W|GGL|T | the BB is pretty cool here |
| 15:50:08 | W|GGL|T | dunno about others |
| 15:50:24 | [DrEvil] | you will see my response on Zaurus-General |
| 15:50:24 | noidd | that same flamewar is boiling on tkc |
| 15:50:25 | XavierXeon | NetAmp: yes |
| 15:50:50 | [DrEvil] | how does that affect tkc? |
| 15:50:54 | warmi_ | whatever you say but Linux simply has no future on PDA ... after this Zaurus fisaco the word itself will cause PDA producents to run .. |
| 15:51:23 | noidd | [DrEvil]: it doesn't :-) just another place to flame methinks |
| 15:51:28 | kergoth | bah sharp just fucked up their first pda |
| 15:51:36 | kergoth | doesnt mean they cant pick up the pieces in the next one |
| 15:51:41 | warmi_ | it will work fine as an "add-on" OS for machines like Ipaq etc .. |
| 15:51:44 | W|GGL|T | most linux pda companies fuck up their implementations |
| 15:51:47 | [DrEvil] | this Z is the developers model |
| 15:51:56 | [DrEvil] | boh the 5000 and the 5500 |
| 15:51:57 | noidd | I'm still not convinced it is fucked up. |
| 15:52:00 | kergoth | Sharp just had no idea what they were getting themselves into. |
| 15:52:02 | kergoth | Thats the problem. |
| 15:52:03 | noidd | and will they made a second one?? |
| 15:52:09 | kergoth | noidd: yes, 5600 is coming |
| 15:52:12 | [DrEvil] | the next one will be more polished |
| 15:52:14 | warmi_ | but I am afraid, IF Sharp drops the ball on this one, no other major company will touch Linux for PDA device |
| 15:52:14 | [DrEvil] | I hope |
| 15:52:16 | kergoth | noidd: here's hoping they dont screw it up |
| 15:52:41 | kergoth | warmi_: lets hope the 5600 is better and Sharp suddenly realizes they should work WITH the community, not AGAINST it. |
| 15:52:47 | noidd | I really wish that the porting of apps had been more successfull |
| 15:52:54 | W|GGL|T | i bet BB won't be selling the 5600 |
| 15:52:56 | kergoth | warmi_: if thats the case, then i think there's still hope. |
| 15:53:03 | kergoth | noidd: ? |
| 15:53:11 | [DrEvil] | I believe they will carry it |
| 15:53:18 | kergoth | I think so too. |
| 15:53:21 | kergoth | We'll find out. |
| 15:53:27 | [DrEvil] | they carry other Sharp stuff |
| 15:53:29 | noidd | well, the spin was always that there will be plenty of apps already written, ported over etc. |
| 15:53:31 | kergoth | yep |
| 15:53:36 | kergoth | noidd: there are. |
| 15:53:36 | W|GGL|T | shit...they dont even know how to sell it right (BB) |
| 15:53:44 | warmi_ | yeah .. but ironically, given enough time I think companies like Troll are in better possition to create usable PDA "enviroment" than projects like OPIE are |
| 15:53:48 | noidd | kergoth: not in the scale that people were led to believe tho |
| 15:53:50 | kergoth | noidd: but its linux apps being ported, and the linux desktop apps werent complete to begin with. |
| 15:53:51 | W|GGL|T | the case they keep it in, it prevents the keyboard from opening |
| 15:54:02 | warmi_ | OPIE can generate nice ideas but OPIE lacks direction |
| 15:54:07 | kergoth | warmi_: I doubt that, TrollTech simply sucks at applications. |
| 15:54:23 | kergoth | warmi_: if they stick to the library and work with the community on the apps, Good Things will happen |
| 15:54:30 | kergoth | imo |
| 15:54:43 | noidd | This is a silly question... |
| 15:54:44 | [DrEvil] | all that it needs is a polished UI that is as simple to use as a TiVo |
| 15:54:57 | [DrEvil] | you can not tell you are running Linux on the TiVo |
| 15:54:58 | warmi_ | kergoth: but OPIE needs a leader or at least someone who will set GUI/app guidlines |
| 15:55:11 | noidd | if Sharp had released all the stuff open source, would OZ still have been done? |
| 15:55:12 | NetAmp | hm ohyeah a case.. guess i'm gonna get one too.. I like the one from spain though it's 65 euros :S |
| 15:55:28 | warmi_ | things like "menu goes here,toolbars go there" etc ... |
| 15:55:31 | kergoth | warmi_: well, yeah. not a leader, I like the team format. But you're right, we need someone to 1) take on UI guidelines .. 2) lay out a test plan for releases, .. etc |
| 15:55:55 | whardier | oops |
| 15:55:56 | kergoth | noidd: probably, its hard to say |
| 15:55:58 | whardier | I beat jak and dexter |
| 15:56:04 | kergoth | noidd: I'd still want jffs2 for example, which sharp didnt do |
| 15:56:05 | warmi_ | you cannot create nice and usable desktop when everone has their own idea about how usable app should work |
| 15:56:11 | noidd | indeed. |
| 15:56:23 | noidd | but if they would roll these changes into their ROMs.... |
| 15:56:26 | kergoth | warmi_: well, thats why you need a person whose job it is to do just that. to glean and consolodate the ideas from the team |
| 15:56:31 | warmi_ | this will result in each app working differently |
| 15:56:31 | noidd | then we would have the best of both worlds. |
| 15:56:33 | kergoth | noidd: they are, to a small degree. |
| 15:56:39 | [DrEvil] | Sharp wont do jffs2 |
| 15:56:40 | W|GGL|T | everyone seems to want it to either work like PPC or Palm |
| 15:56:44 | [DrEvil] | it is too dangerous |
| 15:56:44 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: incorrect |
| 15:56:44 | noidd | Its just annoying to see so much duplicated effort. |
| 15:56:45 | tux_mike | kergoth: do you have opieobex and irapplet in the latest release |
| 15:56:57 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: they'll likely have a small cramfs partition for safety, and the rest jffs2 |
| 15:56:58 | bipolar | http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/qtopia_desktop_howto.shtml |
| 15:57:02 | whardier | why doesnt sharp use jffs2 |
| 15:57:05 | whardier | and make stuff ro ? |
| 15:57:05 | kergoth | tux_mike: yes. beaming works, its tested |
| 15:57:09 | bipolar | there are instructions at least. |
| 15:57:17 | kergoth | whardier: no idea, ask them |
| 15:57:18 | [DrEvil] | so when people start deleting files they shouldn't from their jffs2 partition |
| 15:57:27 | [DrEvil] | and call sharp because their machine wont work right |
| 15:57:29 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: it still wont kill the system |
| 15:57:30 | whardier | sharp: why huh? |
| 15:57:32 | bipolar | you would think that TT would be smart enough to put them in the damned package |
| 15:57:34 | W|GGL|T | bipolar: that's the best one....trolltech's instructions just plain suck |
| 15:57:36 | tux_mike | kergoth: but i don't have to grab the packages out of the feed, right? |
| 15:57:37 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: because the base files are on the cramfs partition |
| 15:57:47 | kergoth | tux_mike: if you flash the latest rom, it'll work out of the box. |
| 15:57:54 | bipolar | W|GGL|T: TT does not have any instructions at all |
| 15:58:14 | [DrEvil] | the biggest thing that Sharp is missing is a good sync system |
| 15:58:26 | [DrEvil] | the ftp thing is a bad idea |
| 15:58:30 | W|GGL|T | huh? last i checked, it did...but it was so useless that they may as well have left it out |
| 15:58:38 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: it doesnt use ftp to sync. |
| 15:58:51 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: but you're right, the sync design is horrid. and the security is a joke. |
| 15:59:03 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: they're working on possibly using ssh as a transport for the sync |
| 15:59:15 | warmi_ | [DrEvil]: good synch and there are couple of major problems with Qtopia ... document tab, package installer and crappy stylus handling |
| 15:59:19 | whardier | howdy howdy howdty |
| 15:59:21 | whardier | howdy howdy howdy |
| 15:59:26 | kergoth | warmi_: crappy stylus handling? |
| 15:59:30 | whardier | lots of people made this game |
| 15:59:36 | kergoth | warmi_: last i checked the touchscreen problems were a kernel layer issue |
| 16:00:01 | warmi_ | kergoth: yeah .. that is kernel issue .. I just kinds appended it to Qtopia |
| 16:00:08 | [DrEvil] | the user should not have to worry about IP addresses unless they are using a WLAN or LAn card |
| 16:00:12 | warmi_ | but it is kernel issue, you are right |
| 16:00:22 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: and they dont have to. i dont see your point here. |
| 16:00:31 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: the Z has a dhcp server. |
| 16:00:38 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: openzaurus doesnt, but thats my fault, not sharps |
| 16:00:41 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:00:47 | [DrEvil] | why are their fields to change the sync IP? |
| 16:00:52 | [DrEvil] | which do no good |
| 16:00:55 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: huh? |
| 16:01:08 | [DrEvil] | in the sharp rom |
| 16:01:10 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: its possible to retain power and ease of use both, you know |
| 16:01:22 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: so those fields should exist somewhere. perhaps more hidden |
| 16:01:48 | [DrEvil] | I can change those fields all I want |
| 16:01:48 | warmi_ | I think the biggest problem was on Windows syncing side ... |
| 16:02:01 | [DrEvil] | but the software on the desktop still expects it to be at the default |
| 16:02:12 | Cloudchaser | ya'll are preaching to the choir here |
| 16:02:25 | Cloudchaser | the ones who can do anything about it are...not here :) |
| 16:03:01 | [DrEvil] | it's like Sharp picked up where they left off when they left the US market for PDAs |
| 16:03:02 | kergoth | hehe |
| 16:03:13 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: the problem is, they arent working with the community |
| 16:03:22 | XavierXeon | all they need to do is add a samba server on the Z to resolve the sync problems |
| 16:03:24 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: we couldve had all those issues fixed in days, flat |
| 16:03:27 | [DrEvil] | they didn't bring the new platform up to the same level as Palm before releasing it |
| 16:03:37 | [DrEvil] | Palm is a benchmark in fucntionality of a PDA |
| 16:03:50 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: palm wasnt up to the level as palm when it released either, though |
| 16:04:00 | kergoth | wb warmi |
| 16:04:07 | [DrEvil] | bad argument |
| 16:04:12 | warmi | kergoth: the main thing is for Sharp to stick with the product |
| 16:04:21 | warmi | eventually they will get it right |
| 16:04:23 | [DrEvil] | you shouldn't release a product that isn't at least up to par with your competitors |
| 16:04:34 | [DrEvil] | which is what Sharp did |
| 16:04:45 | warmi | DrEvil: true ... Sharp is not competing against Palm from 4 years ago |
| 16:04:49 | warmi | but Palm of today |
| 16:04:57 | kergoth | true that |
| 16:05:09 | [DrEvil] | there is a level of functionality that people expect in a PDA |
| 16:05:12 | bipolar | damnit! Now qtopiadesktop wont sync |
| 16:05:13 | [DrEvil] | which the Z doesn't have |
| 16:05:16 | XavierXeon | well... they plan to do much more sales in the german speaking regions in europe. it seems to sell ok here |
| 16:05:23 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: see the thing is.. if they had worked with us.. |
| 16:05:34 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: we wouldve had the bugs fixed and apps cleaned up before the 5500 released. |
| 16:05:36 | warmi | DrEvil: Z Qtopia apps aren't THAT bad .. |
| 16:05:45 | warmi | it is just that syncing issue |
| 16:05:54 | [DrEvil] | probably |
| 16:05:56 | [DrEvil] | but |
| 16:05:57 | NetAmp | [DrEvil]: you can also set a different IP in QtopiaDesktop :) |
| 16:06:02 | kergoth | I think the big issue is that Sharp didnt work with us. |
| 16:06:10 | warmi | and things like documents handling and package manager |
| 16:06:11 | [DrEvil] | Palm has done pretty well without outside help on PalmOS |
| 16:06:12 | bipolar | kergoth: yep |
| 16:06:17 | kergoth | Had they known how to deal with a community, they couldve worked with us to fix the issues. |
| 16:06:27 | W|GGL|T | Palm has had YEARS tho |
| 16:06:28 | kergoth | But Sharp didnt know what they were getting themselves into. |
| 16:06:28 | bipolar | [DrEvil]: palm is a closed source system |
| 16:06:36 | [DrEvil] | yes it is |
| 16:06:38 | warmi | kergoth: was this stuff about crappy document handling and qinstall reported to them during winter months? |
| 16:06:43 | kergoth | warmi: hell yes |
| 16:06:46 | [DrEvil] | but it doesn't have the key issues that the Z is having |
| 16:06:46 | Cloudchaser | NetAmp: you can set different ip in qtopia but qtopia changes it back and gives error all the time (serial address does anyway) |
| 16:06:56 | kergoth | warmi: i reported them days after i had my Z, which was last October |
| 16:06:57 | Cloudchaser | i did report it but sharp didn't respond nor fix it |
| 16:06:58 | warmi | well, then they fucked up big time |
| 16:06:59 | kergoth | warmi: as did others |
| 16:07:15 | kergoth | warmi: yes. opie spent time reinventing the wheel instead of fixing the issues. |
| 16:07:16 | NetAmp | Cloudchaser: ah so that's what also scr*wed up my PC's network settings ;) |
| 16:07:31 | Cloudchaser | yeah it will work |
| 16:07:43 | warmi | frankly, I can't believe that whoever designed this document tab did not notice that this tab was filling up with crap as new apps were being installed |
| 16:07:53 | Cloudchaser | but you have to keep chainging it on qtopia desktop to your ip address of the z's nic |
| 16:08:04 | warmi | unless they never installed any apps beyond what came with Qtopia |
| 16:08:29 | treke | Cloudchaser: have you tried intellisync over ethernet/wireless? |
| 16:08:37 | siriusnova | yo |
| 16:08:40 | siriusnova | wassup |
| 16:08:41 | warmi | kergoth: OPIE still follows the Qtopia model of handling docs ? |
| 16:08:42 | treke | or just qtopia desktop? |
| 16:09:04 | kergoth | warmi: though it has mediummountgui, which lets you select what file types to add to the docs tab on a per card basis |
| 16:09:06 | Cloudchaser | treke: no but i've read it has similar issues |
| 16:09:18 | Cloudchaser | not sure if it even lets you change the serial ip address |
| 16:09:19 | treke | k. |
| 16:09:21 | warmi | yeah, it has that apple |
| 16:09:27 | warmi | applet |
| 16:09:27 | Cloudchaser | which, of course, should be serial/network |
| 16:09:30 | noidd | watches as every application running on his Z is forced to shutdown.. just because of a little compile ;-) |
| 16:09:32 | treke | Cloudchaser: Its say it does, but I've been having issues :) |
| 16:09:37 | warmi | I never tested it though |
| 16:09:43 | Cloudchaser | its and bs |
| 16:09:46 | Cloudchaser | er |
| 16:09:48 | Cloudchaser | all bs |
| 16:09:57 | kergoth | mediummountgui works.. but it needs to not add items that are owned by packages that have been installed to the card. it lacks that yet. |
| 16:10:07 | treke | Cloudchaser: Then again, its not a Z, so I have to be fair to them :) |
| 16:10:18 | Cloudchaser | hmmm? |
| 16:10:24 | Cloudchaser | what do youmean |
| 16:10:30 | warmi | frankly, all it needs to do is just to skip Qtopia system dirs |
| 16:10:44 | warmi | be it in RAM, CF or SD |
| 16:10:53 | kergoth | warmi: still, what about a X app that installs numerous images? |
| 16:10:55 | warmi | that will solve 90% of the problem |
| 16:11:03 | treke | Cloudchaser: I cant be too harsh about Intellisync bugs since I'm using it on an ipaq |
| 16:11:09 | warmi | well, there are two choices |
| 16:11:12 | kergoth | warmi: remember, this is opie, which runs on ipaqs as well, and nothering prevents use of more than just opie |
| 16:11:13 | [DrEvil] | goes looking for jobs that don't exist |
| 16:11:13 | Cloudchaser | ah..same for z anyway i think |
| 16:11:26 | kergoth | warmi: the generalized solution for all packages installed would be to check the ipkg database on the card, imo |
| 16:11:29 | bipolar | ljp: ping |
| 16:11:47 | warmi | yeah |
| 16:11:50 | warmi | that would be one |
| 16:11:52 | kergoth | warmi: and have an option within oipkg to select on a per package basis whether to show its files on the docs tab :-) |
| 16:11:59 | kergoth | warmi: thatd clean up the functionality |
| 16:12:00 | warmi | frankly, that would be the best |
| 16:12:23 | warmi | but it would be kinda slow as each file would have to be compared with oipk database before being included/excluded |
| 16:12:27 | kergoth | yeah, we'd need a QCop call to oipkg for querying the ipkg database from mediummountgui, and then some functionality to oipkg |
| 16:12:39 | kergoth | warmi: not really. just maintain an internal cache of ignored files. |
| 16:12:46 | kergoth | warmi: you could speed it up |
| 16:13:12 | warmi | yeah, you right ... there are ways to speed this up |
| 16:13:26 | kergoth | thats the best solution i can come up with that works in all situations |
| 16:13:29 | warmi | yeah, I never thought about that oipk checking |
| 16:13:41 | warmi | good idea |
| 16:13:52 | kergoth | warmi: actually, i should write up a request in the opie bug tracking system for this. |
| 16:13:56 | kergoth | warmi: before i forget ;-) |
| 16:14:11 | warmi | I was thinking more about disabling Qtopia dirs and issuing guidlines that app should store their files inside of Q topia tree in /pics etc |
| 16:14:34 | warmi | disabling Qtopia dirs as in skipping them during doc scanning |
| 16:14:36 | kergoth | warmi: that one's pretty easy, mediummount gui has a text box for specifying allowed/ignored dirs |
| 16:14:43 | warmi | but using oipkg is better idea |
| 16:14:46 | kergoth | warmi: but its not functional yet anyway |
| 16:14:53 | kergoth | yeah |
| 16:15:02 | warmi | as it will cover even for the apps that install their files outside of Qtopia dirs |
| 16:15:28 | warmi | kergoth: have you communicated this solution to Trolls |
| 16:15:28 | warmi | ? |
| 16:15:41 | warmi | I am sure they are working on solving that issue |
| 16:15:48 | kergoth | warmi: we need to move the ipkg database access functionality into libopie.. at least until the hp guys finish the ipkg lib |
| 16:15:56 | kergoth | warmi: no, i havent.. good idea though. |
| 16:16:30 | warmi | hp guys working on ipkg lib ? |
| 16:16:42 | kergoth | warmi: yes. ipkg is under hp/compaq's control |
| 16:16:46 | kergoth | warmi: jamey hicks and them |
| 16:17:02 | kergoth | warmi: but ipkg doesnt have a library yet. which is why oipkg and the rest have to call out the external ipkg process. |
| 16:17:05 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:17:08 | kergoth | unfortunately |
| 16:18:27 | warmi | as far as OPIE .. I think ljp or whoever is most senior member of this project .. |
| 16:18:47 | warmi | should really think about creating some sort of GUI/design/coding guidlines |
| 16:19:00 | kergoth | agreed. too bad there is no most senior member huh? ;-) |
| 16:19:26 | warmi | as far as I am concerned I am following Qtopia menu/icon style standards .. at least something to follow :-) |
| 16:19:32 | kergoth | hehe |
| 16:19:46 | kergoth | coding style is, follow the TT style, for now |
| 16:19:49 | warmi | well, it needs to be consistent |
| 16:19:50 | kergoth | from what i understand |
| 16:20:00 | kergoth | though some people having varying coding styles throughout opie unfortunately |
| 16:20:17 | warmi | not so much coding style as much as app design/GUI style |
| 16:20:25 | kergoth | yeah, that we need. |
| 16:20:36 | warmi | message boxes, icons , menu items should all behave similarily |
| 16:21:04 | kergoth | yes. |
| 16:21:12 | kergoth | use libopie classes when you can, that'll help |
| 16:21:13 | kergoth | :-) |
| 16:21:35 | kergoth | warmi: actually you may want to drop an email to the opie mailing list regarding a request for such guidelines |
| 16:21:38 | warmi | I am just ranting cause last night I started working on this showimg ... |
| 16:21:47 | kergoth | hah |
| 16:21:50 | kergoth | how bad is it? |
| 16:21:53 | warmi | yeah, I most likely will |
| 16:22:37 | warmi | it is not that is bad .. I jsut wanted to add some new options etc .. and went looking for some guidlines as far how do we handle menus .. eg. windows style with "file"."edit" etc .. or what ? |
| 16:22:52 | warmi | finaly I just settled on Qtopia current scheme for their image viewer ( and other apps) |
| 16:22:56 | kergoth | ah gotcha |
| 16:24:07 | darienm | warmi: Look at qtreader, one of the best organized programs I've seen |
| 16:24:16 | bipolar | can ANYONE here sync OZ with qtopiadesktop? |
| 16:24:23 | kergoth | bipolar: NO |
| 16:24:24 | bipolar | This is just not working here. |
| 16:24:27 | kergoth | bipolar: syncing is broken. |
| 16:24:38 | bipolar | kergoth: :-O |
| 16:24:39 | treke | kergoth: broken in opie cvs or just oz? |
| 16:24:40 | kergoth | bipolar: applied a trolltech security fix. it wont work with qtopia desktop versions less than 1.5.1 |
| 16:24:43 | warmi | well, I can look at it but this issue needs to be decided at OPIE level .. not at application level |
| 16:24:48 | warmi | if you know what I mean |
| 16:24:49 | kergoth | treke: opie cvs, due to a security patch |
| 16:24:51 | bipolar | kergoth: where is that new version? |
| 16:24:55 | kergoth | treke: ftp will work, if you're careful |
| 16:24:56 | treke | kergoth: grrrr |
| 16:25:06 | kergoth | bipolar: in internal trolltech trees, and in the source zecke and ljp have. |
| 16:25:08 | warmi | but I will take a look at qtreader |
| 16:25:10 | kergoth | bipolar: thats it. |
| 16:25:17 | kergoth | warmi: fyi, opie-reader is qtreader. its in opie cvs. |
| 16:25:20 | treke | kergoth: I've spent the past 45 minutes trying to figure out why the intellisync instruction dont work :) |
| 16:25:24 | kergoth | treke: lol |
| 16:25:33 | kergoth | treke: yeah its a security thing. prompts for password now |
| 16:25:53 | kergoth | treke: good intentions, but bad considering we dont have the new qtopia desktop or intellisync |
| 16:25:55 | treke | hopefully that gets changed at sharp. Outlook syncing seemed kinda cool |
| 16:25:59 | kergoth | yeah |
| 16:26:06 | bipolar | kergoth: I just downloaded it from ftp.tt.com and it's version 1.5. Does 1.5.1 even exist yet? |
| 16:26:06 | kergoth | intellisync needs outlook express support as well though |
| 16:26:09 | kergoth | thats a common request |
| 16:26:20 | kergoth | bipolar: like i said, in internal trolltech trees and the sources ljp and zecke have. |
| 16:26:24 | kergoth | bipolar: its not released. |
| 16:26:29 | treke | does outlook express have anything to sync with ( havent used it in ages) |
| 16:26:41 | kergoth | bipolar: i'll release a maintainance update rom with the patch reverted for the time being. |
| 16:26:55 | bipolar | SHIT! Fu($ The little TT Bastards from here to mars. |
| 16:27:03 | kergoth | dood, its a good patch |
| 16:27:08 | kergoth | security is good |
| 16:27:13 | kergoth | but we do need newer sync apps now |
| 16:27:14 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:27:16 | zecke | kergoth: so the patch broke intellisync and qtopiadesktop |
| 16:27:22 | zecke | kergoth: what is sharp doing about it? |
| 16:27:26 | kergoth | zecke: it requirees 1.5.1, which isnt avialable. |
| 16:27:33 | bipolar | kergoth: but I cant sync to it, so why have they not released the new software? |
| 16:27:38 | kergoth | zecke: good question. we need new sync software. |
| 16:27:45 | kergoth | bipolar: good question. |
| 16:27:48 | kergoth | hehh |
| 16:27:54 | bipolar | TT are idiots sometimes |
| 16:27:55 | zecke | kergoth: or we allow empty pw's again |
| 16:28:06 | zecke | kergoth: but we'll prompt before allowing them |
| 16:28:21 | zecke | kergoth: so the user cann click accept or deny |
| 16:28:30 | bipolar | they should all stay in their fuzzu cubicles and code toolkits and leave the apps alone. |
| 16:28:40 | bipolar | damn I'm pissed.... |
| 16:28:52 | bipolar | counts to 10 |
| 16:28:52 | kergoth | zecke: well yeah, allowing a password of Qtopia isnt exactly secure |
| 16:28:55 | kergoth | zecke: hehe |
| 16:29:13 | treke | bipolar: Dont blame trolltech. They didnt put it into opie cvs before new sync apps came out :) |
| 16:29:14 | ljp_work | unix passwords |
| 16:29:20 | kergoth | yeah exactly |
| 16:29:20 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:29:25 | zecke | kergoth: if it starts with Qtopia it'll ask to create a bond and then saves the pw for future logins |
| 16:29:28 | ljp_work | do that define |
| 16:29:33 | zecke | ljp_work: no |
| 16:29:44 | toolafial | ha ha ah I love vnc |
| 16:29:47 | ljp_work | why not |
| 16:29:49 | kergoth | zecke: whats wrong with unix passwords? |
| 16:29:51 | zecke | ljp_work: you would need to run launcher setuid for Familiar 0.6 |
| 16:29:58 | zecke | ljp_work: to get access to the shadow file |
| 16:29:58 | kergoth | zecke: why? |
| 16:30:01 | kergoth | ohh |
| 16:30:07 | ljp_work | poop |
| 16:30:15 | zecke | kergoth: or we would use the app for login |
| 16:30:23 | kergoth | zecke: cant you use PAM to authenticate without being suid? |
| 16:30:37 | zecke | kergoth: no PAM on busybox though |
| 16:30:49 | treke | pam seems like overkill for a pda |
| 16:30:51 | kergoth | zecke: pam has nothing to do with busybox. install pam |
| 16:30:58 | W|GGL|T | so does apache |
| 16:30:58 | W|GGL|T | heh |
| 16:31:05 | kergoth | treke: sharp will likely have it in new versions though, i bet |
| 16:31:22 | zecke | kergoth: yes but sandman is against the usage of pam |
| 16:31:30 | kergoth | zecke: why? |
| 16:31:32 | zecke | kergoth: so he left it out for his busybox image |
| 16:31:38 | zecke | kergoth: it's too big |
| 16:31:48 | kergoth | zecke: how large is it? we dont need all the modules, just basics |
| 16:32:06 | kergoth | zecke: obviously we could leave the samba auth out for example ;-) |
| 16:32:16 | zecke | kergoth: I don't remember his url but he commented on this issue |
| 16:32:16 | ranf | hi |
| 16:32:23 | kergoth | zecke: k, i'll pester him. |
| 16:32:27 | kergoth | zecke: is opie-login usable yet? |
| 16:32:44 | zecke | kergoth: never tested it |
| 16:33:05 | kergoth | zecke: hmm i have a patch here that follows the instructions in the README for enabling it. i wonder if it works :-) |
| 16:33:05 | zecke | kergoth: the Question is why did Sharp did that with root and no pw in the first place? |
| 16:33:13 | kergoth | zecke: no idea, its stupid. |
| 16:33:30 | zecke | kergoth: ok PPC 2002 is root too and nobody complains about it |
| 16:33:49 | treke | zecke: Do you have any idea if opie-login is going to have the ability to autologin? |
| 16:33:53 | zecke | kergoth: so this issue is entirely stupid.... |
| 16:33:58 | benmeyer | nothing stinks more then going out for lunch to get some alki, but to find it watered down to the point that they give you a refund |
| 16:34:09 | kergoth | zecke: yeah but does ppc allow connections from any ip on its ports? |
| 16:34:15 | zecke | treke: if you remind me about it, it might |
| 16:34:17 | kergoth | zecke: course opie doesnt, but default qtopia does |
| 16:34:28 | zecke | kergoth: I can download the db over activesync |
| 16:34:41 | treke | zecke: Then I'll remind you about it later. :) I'd hate having to log in |
| 16:34:56 | zecke | treke: hmm play with the runlevels then |
| 16:35:13 | kergoth | zecke: does sandman's image use busybox init? |
| 16:35:32 | kergoth | zecke: because busybox init has no support for runlevels :-) |
| 16:35:36 | treke | I like the idea of multiple users, particularly to keep me from doing much damage by accident. |
| 16:35:50 | Neo|Work | morning |
| 16:35:55 | kergoth | hey Neo |
| 16:36:09 | kergoth | treke: yes, this will allow me to keep jffs2, and still protect the end user. |
| 16:36:45 | treke | I'm just one of the few people that seems to actually use a linux based ipaq as a pda |
| 16:36:58 | zecke | kergoth: keep ingtrack of the allowed connections is IMHO enough |
| 16:37:25 | kergoth | zecke: same here. its the equivalent of a basic iptables rule. sufficient for most. |
| 16:38:13 | bipolar | browses TT's contest dir... |
| 16:38:17 | zecke | kergoth: I mean the uuid matches and the pw is the sames as before' logic we now adapted |
| 16:38:54 | kergoth | zecke: ah |
| 16:39:05 | zecke | kergoth: it's more than PPC got |
| 16:39:11 | kergoth | zecke: true |
| 16:39:16 | zecke | kergoth: and you will be asked to accept the connection |
| 16:39:26 | kergoth | zecke: yes, i saw that :-) |
| 16:39:46 | zecke | I hate debugging.... |
| 16:39:47 | kergoth | zecke: though it only had a DENY button when i used empty password. thats as designed, right? |
| 16:39:59 | ljp_work | yes |
| 16:40:03 | zecke | kergoth: yes |
| 16:40:04 | kergoth | k, just checking |
| 16:40:14 | NetAmp | hm where is the bashrc located again... |
| 16:40:22 | treke | Its just a deny button |
| 16:40:24 | kergoth | NetAmp: $HOME/.bashrc |
| 16:40:25 | zecke | kergoth: we can add a accept button for compatibility but don't save the bond |
| 16:40:28 | treke | and it seems to freeze the ipaq |
| 16:40:34 | kergoth | treke: yeah, unless you use a nonempty passwrod |
| 16:40:39 | kergoth | treke: it froze my Z at one point too. |
| 16:41:07 | zecke | "Do you want to give up the last security this device got?" "sure" "no" |
| 16:41:10 | NetAmp | kergoth: hm that's what I thought.. I should look again... wanna make my shell prompt shorter |
| 16:41:14 | kergoth | ehe |
| 16:41:19 | XavierXeon | NetAmp: i think there is no .bashrc on sharp rom |
| 16:41:34 | NetAmp | Still I believe I did see it in some file |
| 16:41:37 | NetAmp | PS1 |
| 16:41:41 | NetAmp | variable... |
| 16:41:51 | kergoth | NetAmp: echo if [ -e $HOME/.bashrc ]; then source $HOME/.bashrc; fi >> $HOME/.bash_profile |
| 16:42:03 | NetAmp | while I was browsing around with Sharp's file explorer |
| 16:42:05 | kergoth | NetAmp: thats a common method. |
| 16:42:15 | XavierXeon | NetAmp /home/QtPalmtop/qpe,sh for Qtopia and /home/root/.profile for remote |
| 16:42:21 | kergoth | NetAmp: env vars are usually set in profile and .bash_profile not .bashrc |
| 16:42:23 | NetAmp | which sucks a bit btw, doesn't ask for confirmation on delete :S |
| 16:42:30 | NetAmp | kergoth: thanx |
| 16:42:40 | kergoth | NetAmp: aliases and hte like are usually set in .bashrc, but its dependent on the user |
| 16:42:42 | kergoth | nop |
| 16:42:44 | kergoth | np |
| 16:42:46 | kergoth | s/o// |
| 16:42:46 | NetAmp | :) |
| 16:42:48 | toolafial | has anyone seen the oqo device? |
| 16:42:54 | NetAmp | XavierXeon: also thanks ;) |
| 16:43:58 | toolafial | www.oqo.com |
| 16:44:11 | kergoth | zecke: i wonder if opie-login either spawns a login shell or loads the $HOME/.profile directly.. its annoying having to specify env vars in the opie startup script all the time :-) |
| 16:44:20 | NetAmp | toolafial: yeah I saw it earlier, interesting specs! |
| 16:44:44 | toolafial | It runs a tranmeta processor I wonder how easy it is to get Linux working on it? |
| 16:44:58 | toolafial | I wish I had the money to get my hands on one |
| 16:45:07 | kergoth | yawns |
| 16:45:35 | warmi_ | if it consts more than $1500 then it is useless |
| 16:45:39 | warmi_ | heeh |
| 16:46:18 | Neo|Work | treke: hey. Candy Cruncher is out so go buy it and stop bugging me. :-)) |
| 16:46:24 | NetAmp | heh today I showed that pic (http://www.remz-jay.org/~netamp/linux240x320.jpg) to a colleague with Palm m100, and he was like "Hey! I want a color screen too!" |
| 16:46:32 | NetAmp | :P |
| 16:46:33 | toolafial | but it will probably only be available in japan |
| 16:47:06 | Neo|Work | unless of course you already did. :) |
| 16:47:34 | treke | Neo|Work: hehehe |
| 16:47:35 | Neo|Work | warmi_: did you hear / notice that Handango charges 15% for their "free" localization service? Even when you pay for localization that is the case |
| 16:47:39 | treke | Didnt notice it. On my way |
| 16:47:45 | JasonNJ | the oqo is like 3 grand |
| 16:47:50 | JasonNJ | a bit more I think |
| 16:47:50 | Neo|Work | only on handango yet tho |
| 16:48:07 | treke | ah. Thats why I didnt notice it |
| 16:48:30 | Neo|Work | mainly because the email reg autoresponder hasn't been verified yet. :)) |
| 16:48:41 | treke | Neo|Work: It going on anyother sites, and if so, do you make more money off of them? |
| 16:48:45 | sjohnson | Nuts. Pierre Coupard has vanished from the 'Net. |
| 16:49:11 | JasonNJ | sjohnson: I want someone to take over the Xfree and FBVnc stuf |
| 16:49:16 | Neo|Work | treke: Pyrogon is handling all the sales of it and it'll probably just stay exclusively with Handango |
| 16:49:28 | JasonNJ | I think he might be pierre_coupard@hotmail.com |
| 16:49:29 | bipolar | wishs he was paying attention when qtopiadesktop code leaked onto tt's ftp |
| 16:49:37 | JasonNJ | but he has never answered that address |
| 16:49:43 | treke | ok, so it isnt worth holding out to buy it elsewhere |
| 16:49:47 | cdm2 | hey JasonNJ |
| 16:49:54 | treke | bipolar: well ljp has a copy of it... |
| 16:49:58 | JasonNJ | yo cdm. Long time no see |
| 16:50:04 | cdm | yepper. |
| 16:50:04 | Neo|Work | treke: correct |
| 16:50:14 | sjohnson | JasonNJ: I'm just trying to get an X enviroment for OZ as an alternative to Opie. |
| 16:50:23 | JasonNJ | I was up on your neck of the woods recently, ottawa |
| 16:50:37 | bipolar | treke: I think TT told him not to give it to anyone else. |
| 16:50:42 | ljp_work | bipolar: should have been subscribed to the qpe-devl mail list |
| 16:50:49 | ranf | sjohnson: gpe.handhelds.org ? |
| 16:50:52 | bipolar | ljp_work: I am. |
| 16:50:59 | Neo|Work | so informal query: Strategic Assault is $19.99. Have you not not bought it because of the price and would a lower price help? If so, what would that price be/ (free or peanuts doesn't count) |
| 16:51:06 | Neo|Work | and ditto with Bust'em. :) |
| 16:52:05 | JasonNJ | cdm: still at QNX? |
| 16:52:16 | cdm | JasonNJ: oh yeah. |
| 16:52:17 | XavierXeon | Neo|Work: bust'em is not my type of game and i am still considering buying Strategic Assault (i do not know if i really want it) |
| 16:52:22 | sjohnson | ranf: Not quite. I want X windows not Gnome Embeded. |
| 16:52:30 | W|GGL|T | my wife comes home for a visit today and our room looks like a frat house |
| 16:52:32 | W|GGL|T | heh |
| 16:53:00 | JasonNJ | worldcom filing for bankruptcy, woohoo |
| 16:53:10 | Neo|Work | I might possibly try a special low price as for the Pocket PC version. |
| 16:53:10 | ljp_work | heh duh |
| 16:53:13 | W|GGL|T | hehe |
| 16:53:22 | sjohnson | JasonNJ: Chapter 11 or 13? |
| 16:53:28 | darienm | Neo|Work: Haven't bought either because I still am unsure what the game style is from reading the descriptions. |
| 16:53:28 | sig | W|GGL|T: you don't live with your wife? |
| 16:53:29 | JasonNJ | half the stinking net is gonna fall apart |
| 16:53:34 | ljp_work | now.. if only QWest would do the same |
| 16:53:36 | JasonNJ | sjohnson: chap 11, they say |
| 16:53:39 | kergoth | eek |
| 16:53:44 | oGMo | ljp_work: and verizon |
| 16:53:51 | W|GGL|T | sig: she's TDY at MacDill AFB |
| 16:53:58 | sig | W|GGL|T: oh, i see |
| 16:53:59 | W|GGL|T | doing anit-terrorist shit |
| 16:54:01 | sig | that sucks |
| 16:54:01 | cdm | JasonNJ: why do you ask? |
| 16:54:09 | W|GGL|T | yeah...6 month deployment |
| 16:54:25 | sig | well time for me to hop in the shower |
| 16:54:26 | sig | bbl |
| 16:54:29 | W|GGL|T | later man |
| 16:55:14 | Neo|Work | darienm: considered downloading the demos? |
| 16:55:35 | Neo|Work | they both have playable demos with a few levels (well, bust'em has a demo and SA is shareware with trial) |
| 16:55:45 | treke | darienm: Strategic Assault is a lot like command on conquer |
| 16:55:52 | kergoth | wheeee |
| 16:55:53 | kergoth | Unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at virtual address 00000008 |
| 16:56:01 | kergoth | re cdm |
| 16:56:03 | zecke | hehe |
| 16:56:05 | cdm | hey kergoth. |
| 16:56:13 | warmi_ | Neo|Work: I alerady told you what is your problem ... I think the same % of general Zaurus owning population buys your games as it is on PPC side .. it is just Zaurus is so much smaller market |
| 16:56:46 | kergoth | JasonNJ: the rootfs mounted :-) |
| 16:56:54 | kergoth | JasonNJ: thanks to the invaluable assistance of david woodhouse |
| 16:56:57 | Neo|Work | warmi_: well, that is the reason why I might want to try to lower the price to get a bigger piece of the pie |
| 16:56:58 | darienm | Neo|Work: Wasn't aware of demos. I'll look again. |
| 16:56:59 | JasonNJ | kergoth: thats a sign |
| 16:57:13 | kergoth | JasonNJ: still crashes hardcore, but i'm getting there. |
| 16:57:15 | JasonNJ | so the framebuffer is next? |
| 16:57:21 | darienm | Neo|Work: No idea what Command and Conquer is... |
| 16:57:25 | kergoth | not quite, jffs2 cant erase for some reason |
| 16:57:25 | W|GGL|T | yes! finally got vnc to work again |
| 16:57:30 | kergoth | it can read, just not erase |
| 16:57:34 | Neo|Work | darienm: Real Time Strategy wargame basically |
| 16:57:35 | kergoth | I think my set_vpp function is screwed up |
| 16:57:37 | W|GGL|T | i hate having to always soft reset |
| 16:57:47 | bipolar | hehehe |
| 16:57:48 | warmi_ | well, if that is the case then it won't hurt to try Neo |
| 16:58:17 | kergoth | JasonNJ: i need to make jffs2 actually be able to erase blocks.. then its framebuffer. then i'll work on things like fixing the power management again, keyboard, sound, etc |
| 16:58:22 | bipolar | I'm running the windows version of qtopiadesktop under wine to see if it does the same thing as the linux version. |
| 16:58:25 | bipolar | it does. |
| 16:58:34 | Neo|Work | warmi_: my point exactly. |
| 16:59:03 | Neo|Work | if it doesn't work, fine never mind. :) |
| 16:59:49 | kergoth | JasonNJ: sound should go pretty fast.. keyboard a bit slower becuase i dont know that area of the kernel well. framebuffer should be relatively easy also |
| 17:00:04 | JasonNJ | NeoTron: have you put your last serveral games on myzaurus.com ? |
| 17:00:22 | warmi_ | just wait till Japanese Shapr market switches to Qtopia based PDAs ... |
| 17:00:29 | Neo|Work | JasonNJ: yeah. all that is out is @ handango. Latest one being Candy Cruncher, posted by Pyrogon |
| 17:00:37 | Neo|Work | warmi_: I'm waiting. :)) |
| 17:01:17 | oGMo | uh, reading the stuff on the Opie wiki... does the spacebar still close apps? =P |
| 17:01:18 | warmi_ | as long as Sharp keeps binary compatibility |
| 17:01:45 | Neo|Work | it's xscale so it might still need recompilation, if for nothing else but performance |
| 17:01:46 | warmi_ | even if they not.. still it would make sense for you create special, Japanesse version |
| 17:01:49 | kergoth | oGMo: huh? |
| 17:02:06 | Neo|Work | and for that I'd need an xscale capable SDK.. |
| 17:02:15 | Neo|Work | Bust'em already has japanese locale |
| 17:02:25 | Neo|Work | but that's the only one |
| 17:02:25 | oGMo | kergoth: there's a note on the TODO in the wiki that says the spacebar in the stowaway keyboard "crashes" Opie apps, then a note that it's mapped to ESC which closes them |
| 17:02:30 | cdm | oh yeah - lets move to the effecitivly slower PXA. |
| 17:02:38 | oGMo | under "high priority todos" ;) |
| 17:02:44 | kergoth | oGMo: oh on the stowaway.. i dont believe thats an opie problem. |
| 17:03:02 | kergoth | cdm: hehe. today i took on the challenge of reading the errata. wish me luck. |
| 17:03:02 | warmi_ | if they have 20% of the market over there ... man , that would mean huge sales for your as compared to US zaurus market |
| 17:03:17 | oGMo | kergoth: hrm ;) |
| 17:03:22 | cdm | kergoth: pay attention to the "write-back cache must be disabled" and the various SDRAM issues. |
| 17:03:37 | kergoth | oGMo: could be wrong though. ask in #opie |
| 17:03:44 | kergoth | cdm: will do. |
| 17:04:03 | oGMo | kergoth: but you use the OZ rom, and it's not an issue? |
| 17:04:14 | Neo|Work | warmi_: also trying to get into the Korean market. They have at least two manufacturers using Qtopia or Linuette (which is still Qt/E) |
| 17:04:18 | oGMo | i'm just curious whether the problem still exists or not |
| 17:04:42 | hunger | kergoth: Ever saw a linker problem because one file used HW FP and the other SW FP? |
| 17:04:49 | warmi_ | are these Qtopia based devices even popular there ? |
| 17:04:55 | Neo|Work | and of course, I'm also working on original cross-platform games |
| 17:05:03 | Neo|Work | warmi_: don't think they are out yet |
| 17:05:08 | kergoth | hunger: rings a bell |
| 17:05:10 | Neo|Work | but I'm sure they will have less of a hard time there |
| 17:05:17 | kergoth | oGMo: uhh the Zaurus doesnt have a stowaway. |
| 17:05:20 | hunger | kergoth: Any idea how you fixed this? |
| 17:05:22 | warmi_ | why do you think so ? |
| 17:05:26 | hunger | gets this compiling the kernel. |
| 17:05:43 | kergoth | hunger: recompile one to match the other? ;-) |
| 17:05:45 | treke | Neo|Work: be care full. I hear the laws against distributing drugs are prett harsh out there, and candy cruncher is most definitly crack |
| 17:05:48 | kergoth | hunger: whats the error you're seeing? |
| 17:05:51 | oGMo | kergoth: er... uh... oh, i thought they were referring to the Z's hiding keyboard, sorry ;) |
| 17:06:07 | kergoth | oGMo: np. stowaway is an external keyboard for the ipaq. Z keyboard works flawless |
| 17:06:08 | hunger | kergoth: |
| 17:06:10 | hunger | arm-linux-ld -r -o sa1100.o generic.o irq.o dma-sa1100.o collie.o m62332.o collie_battery.o collie_led.o collie_buzzer.o collie_apm.o power.o suspend.o |
| 17:06:10 | hunger | arm-linux-ld: ERROR: suspend.o uses hardware FP, whereas sa1100.o uses software FP |
| 17:06:10 | hunger | File format not recognized: failed to merge target specific data of file suspend.o |
| 17:06:10 | hunger | make[7]: *** [sa1100.o] Error 1 |
| 17:06:24 | kergoth | thats most unpleasant |
| 17:06:31 | oGMo | kergoth: gotcha |
| 17:06:38 | kergoth | is your gcc building for hardware or software FP by default? |
| 17:06:49 | hunger | kergoth: Let me check... |
| 17:07:17 | whardier | who wants to implement a REALLY COOL HACK |
| 17:07:22 | kergoth | hunger: k |
| 17:07:25 | kergoth | whardier: depends |
| 17:07:26 | whardier | I just thougght about this.. and its the bomb diggity |
| 17:07:37 | whardier | modifying the QT blitting code for transparent pngs |
| 17:07:53 | whardier | if the alpha is totally transparent |
| 17:07:58 | whardier | and the color os absolute magenta |
| 17:08:03 | Neo|Work | treke: hehe. :)) |
| 17:08:08 | whardier | then it does a guassian blur where the transparent pixels |
| 17:08:09 | whardier | are |
| 17:08:45 | warmi_ | whardier: gaussian blur .. ack |
| 17:08:51 | whardier | naw its easy |
| 17:09:06 | hunger | kergoth: Looks like it is using HW FP. Thanks for the hint. |
| 17:09:45 | kergoth | hunger: thats correct for the Z of course, since it uses a FP emu. is the kernel passing command line options to change that behavior? |
| 17:09:46 | kergoth | hunger: np |
| 17:10:06 | hunger | kergoth: HW FP is correct for the Z? |
| 17:10:29 | kergoth | hunger: we dont need gcc to replace FP code, because there's FP emulation in the kernel |
| 17:10:41 | kergoth | hunger: which one is faster is a good question though, possibly worth some testing |
| 17:10:45 | hunger | kergoth: Well, that code is not there if I build the kernel. |
| 17:11:01 | kergoth | hunger: true that. but the kernel should never use FP funcions anyway :-) |
| 17:11:04 | hunger | kergoth: Which is exactly the place I see this error. |
| 17:11:26 | kergoth | hunger: so then somewhere in the build the kernel is failing to specify the command line argument to use software FP i'd say |
| 17:11:26 | hunger | kergoth: I'm doing 'make openzaurus' |
| 17:12:25 | hunger | kergoth: Looks like your gcc is configured to use SW FP by default. |
| 17:12:34 | hunger | kergoth: That's how I am building mine now too. |
| 17:12:48 | kergoth | hunger: hmm.. whats the point of FP emu then? hehe |
| 17:13:13 | hunger | kergoth: No idea. |
| 17:13:28 | kergoth | hunger: still, its lame that you cant build a kernel with it enabled.. |
| 17:13:36 | kergoth | hunger: is there a gcc command line option to specify? |
| 17:14:25 | hunger | kergoth: I think it is a build time option |
| 17:14:49 | Neo|Work | warmi_: because 1) price matters, 2) I'm sure PalmOS/PocketPC isn't as dominant there |
| 17:14:55 | kergoth | hunger: yeah i know, was hoping it was also runtime settable. oh well. |
| 17:14:58 | Neo|Work | and because they might be more willing to try something new |
| 17:15:20 | Neo|Work | US In general is sometime very unwilling to leave the path they have "always" walked |
| 17:15:21 | kergoth | hunger: we should do some perf testing between hw fp (fp emu) and gcc's fp handling |
| 17:15:29 | kergoth | hunger: just for shits |
| 17:15:40 | Neo|Work | and because a device made by a korean company might better suit the korean market than one made by a US company |
| 17:15:52 | hunger | kergoth: From the manpage: -msoft-float is available for a couple of architectures. |
| 17:16:02 | Neo|Work | BTY, did you know that South Korea is the most (broadband) wired country in the world? |
| 17:16:06 | hunger | kergoth: ARM is not mentioned, but it might work anyway. |
| 17:16:11 | kergoth | hunger: hmm |
| 17:16:23 | kergoth | hunger: try adding it to the cflags in the kernel build :-) |
| 17:17:01 | Neo|Work | does -msoft-float help Zaurus compilations? (i.e will it be faster?) |
| 17:17:33 | kergoth | Neo|Work: thats what i'm wondering. whether gcc's soft float is faster than the hardware fp emulation in the kernel. |
| 17:17:52 | warmi_ | Neo|Work: I knew that ... they are crazy about networked games |
| 17:17:56 | kergoth | Neo|Work: because as hunger pointed out, the embedix toolchain appears to use soft-float |
| 17:18:16 | Neo|Work | warmi_: indeed. |
| 17:18:21 | Neo|Work | kergoth: hmm |
| 17:18:33 | Neo|Work | should be easy to benchmark actually |
| 17:18:37 | kergoth | yep |
| 17:18:37 | hunger | kergoth: stupid question alert: How do I add cfags in OZ's buildsystem. |
| 17:18:57 | hunger | kergoth: Sorry, but your kernel-multi.mk is not the most obvious thing. |
| 17:18:58 | Neo|Work | anyone have a good FPU benchmark? |
| 17:19:02 | kergoth | Neo|Work: use a complier set to use hw fp by default, and compare a build with and without -soft-float |
| 17:19:10 | kergoth | hunger: lol, no need to say sorry :-) |
| 17:19:16 | kergoth | hunger: thats one of the biggest hacks in the system |
| 17:19:23 | Neo|Work | hrm. what is that flops benchmark again... |
| 17:19:41 | Neo|Work | linpack |
| 17:20:00 | kergoth | hunger: set CFLAGS_KERNEL to what you want when calling the makes. |
| 17:20:22 | kergoth | hunger: aka CFLAGS_KERNEL="-msoft-float" |
| 17:21:10 | kergoth | wooo i think i found the problem with my kernel doing a NULL pointer deref |
| 17:21:15 | kergoth | woot. |
| 17:23:24 | hunger | applauds kergoth. |
| 17:23:39 | hunger | kergoth: The kernel is the one thing I never tried my incompetence on;-) |
| 17:24:13 | kergoth | hunger: hehe. man, its taken a long time to reduce my incompetence in this area :-) |
| 17:25:03 | hunger | kergoth: I think the CFLAGS have fixed this problem. |
| 17:25:28 | kergoth | hunger: sweet. I assume it doesnt harm anything when the compiler is already soft float.. maybe I should add that in the .mks in cvs. |
| 17:25:35 | hunger | kergoth: Not sure yet, but I think I saw collie fly by a couple of times;-) |
| 17:25:48 | kergoth | hah |
| 17:25:52 | kergoth | k food time |
| 17:25:57 | hunger | kergoth`lunch: Wait till I can confirm that it really works;-) |
| 17:26:16 | kergoth`lunch | k |
| 17:28:58 | Neo|Work | /opt/Embedix/tools/arm-linux/bin/ld: cannot find -lfloat |
| 17:29:01 | hunger | kergoth`lunch: Nope, does not work:-( |
| 17:29:02 | Neo|Work | guess that doesn't work |
| 17:34:48 | mdz | Neo|Work: you need libfloat |
| 17:35:43 | Neo|Work | mdz: I figured and it seems I don't have that. :P |
| 17:36:14 | Neo|Work | I can note that I get 226 kflops SP in linpack |
| 17:39:08 | kergoth`lunch | hunger: shit, that sucks. |
| 17:40:15 | asterick | Where would you all recommend buying a zaurus from? |
| 17:40:55 | W|GGL|T | yes! FK! |
| 17:40:57 | treke | asterick: Best Buy |
| 17:41:01 | kergoth`lunch | FK? |
| 17:41:06 | treke | asterick: They're clearing out old stock |
| 17:41:13 | W|GGL|T | application proxy for linux |
| 17:41:26 | warmi_ | how much do they sell Zs for now ? |
| 17:41:45 | W|GGL|T | shit...they keep dropping so much its now hard to keep track |
| 17:41:49 | W|GGL|T | under $400 |
| 17:42:22 | asterick | treke: what about Comp-U-Plus, it's like $365 |
| 17:42:32 | treke | never heard of em |
| 17:42:45 | asterick | http://www.compuplus.com/insidepage.php3?&id=244 |
| 17:42:52 | killefiz | 313$ at BB |
| 17:43:11 | asterick | I don't have a best buy in a 114mi radius. |
| 17:43:15 | killefiz | at least someone on the tkc list claims that he got one for that price |
| 17:43:43 | asterick | $404.99 online. :/ |
| 17:43:50 | W|GGL|T | damn....that's cheap...soon they'll undercut many palms |
| 17:44:10 | treke | bestbuy's website is a pain in the ass |
| 17:44:16 | W|GGL|T | yeah |
| 17:44:23 | treke | you have to add it to your shopping cart to see the price? what kind of crap is that |
| 17:44:30 | warmi_ | $320 in my local BestBuy .. just learned that |
| 17:44:35 | asterick | treke: They explained that on amazon. |
| 17:44:36 | warmi_ | that's really cheap |
| 17:44:46 | asterick | has something to do with factoring in additional deals made by the company. |
| 17:44:51 | asterick | Why are the prices going down so much? Are they just getting old, or are the planning a new model. |
| 17:44:58 | ciaolinux | treke: well if it is so cheap, it is still good |
| 17:45:03 | asterick | Because if a new model is comming out soon, i'm going to hold off. |
| 17:45:13 | warmi_ | asterick: Best Buy is dropping Zaurus altogether |
| 17:45:18 | ciaolinux | treke: but it is really slow though |
| 17:45:20 | treke | asterick: They are dropping the zaurus |
| 17:45:26 | asterick | ahhh. |
| 17:45:40 | smee | um..er...hi, I bought a thing from thekompany a while ago. Could someone tell me how I upgrade to the latest version? |
| 17:45:43 | warmi_ | but new models is coming out too |
| 17:45:44 | asterick | Sharp, or just best buy... |
| 17:45:50 | asterick | ah, best buy then. ;) |
| 17:45:54 | treke | ciaolinux: ? |
| 17:45:54 | hunger | ciaolinux: Saw a test of a winCE based XScale thingy today. |
| 17:45:57 | warmi_ | that's according to local Sharp folks |
| 17:46:00 | ciaolinux | anyway did anyone try to install a palm emulator on it? |
| 17:46:26 | hunger | ciaolinux: They claimed it was even slower then the strongarm (propably because of winCE being optimised for the ARM4 core). |
| 17:46:34 | killefiz | ciaolinux: i tried the pose port - it works but still very slow |
| 17:46:53 | treke | copilot is supposed to be faster. But only does palm pros and the original palm 3 |
| 17:46:54 | hunger | wonders how linux would feel on such a toy: 400MHz, FPU. |
| 17:47:05 | ciaolinux | hunger: what is strongarm? |
| 17:47:14 | hunger | ciaolinux: The CPU in the Zaurus. |
| 17:47:17 | ciaolinux | and how about debian? did anyone tried to install that ? |
| 17:47:25 | ciaolinux | hunger: is that slow? |
| 17:47:31 | killefiz | treke: copilot needs X, right? |
| 17:47:35 | benmeyer | ljp_work: well my ftp app has been a wild success and I am actually going to turn it into a busy box of sorts so that it can be an exporer and ftp client in one exe |
| 17:47:43 | treke | killefiz: There is a port listed on your site |
| 17:47:44 | hunger | ciaolinux: Forget debian on a PDA: The DB dpkg keeps is just too big. |
| 17:47:53 | warmi_ | if BestBuy drops the Zaurus and others will surely follow ... what's the point of releasing a new model as they are planning |
| 17:48:00 | warmi_ | sell it on the web only ? |
| 17:48:00 | asterick | kille: You can use the VNC X server on a zaurus, so it should in theory work.. |
| 17:48:03 | XavierXeon | smee: go to download basket on theKompany website |
| 17:48:05 | hunger | ciaolinux: It's a 206MHz RISC chip without CPU. |
| 17:48:06 | ciaolinux | hunger: did you try? they seem to be very satisfied? |
| 17:48:12 | Neo|Work | benmeyer: so are you really serious that you can't see the Sharp Qtopia sources? |
| 17:48:13 | ljp_work | ben: zsi? |
| 17:48:23 | benmeyer | Neo|Work: yes |
| 17:48:26 | ciaolinux | hunger: but what about the os? is it worthy? |
| 17:48:30 | Neo|Work | benmeyer: that's so unbelievable to me |
| 17:48:30 | hunger | ciaolinux: Try what? The Zaurus? I got one of those. |
| 17:48:31 | kergoth`lunch | ciaolinux: Neo|Work: they're likely in the hands of sharp japan |
| 17:48:33 | killefiz | asterick: I don't really want x on the Z - i can always dig out my agenda vr3 when I wan't X |
| 17:48:34 | benmeyer | Neo|Work: notice my rapid involment in opie? |
| 17:48:41 | Neo|Work | benmeyer: yes |
| 17:48:41 | smee | XavierXeon: thanks...looking |
| 17:48:46 | warmi_ | even Microsoft released CE source code :-) |
| 17:48:48 | benmeyer | hehe |
| 17:48:57 | ciaolinux | hunger: no, debian? |
| 17:48:59 | Neo|Work | benmeyer: because of it or reason for it? :) |
| 17:49:06 | smee | aha! |
| 17:49:10 | hunger | kergoth: Wow, you must have wolfed down your lunch! |
| 17:49:12 | Neo|Work | kergoth: sure, but man come one Sharp! |
| 17:49:13 | asterick | kille: It runs on top of QTopia... I belive, so you can turn it on and off when you want. I would install it just for software compatibility for emergencies. |
| 17:49:15 | hunger | ciaolinux: ? |
| 17:49:21 | ciaolinux | anyway i have seen that the price is 405 on bb |
| 17:49:24 | kergoth | ciaolinux: use openzaurus, its debian based but uses ipkg like familiar |
| 17:49:25 | benmeyer | because I can't improve the Sharp rom I will at least improve opie |
| 17:49:30 | kergoth | hunger: nah, still eating my sandwich |
| 17:49:30 | asterick | Hey, and could someone recommend a 802.11b CF card? |
| 17:49:31 | ciaolinux | hunger: did you try to install debian? |
| 17:49:32 | kergoth | hunger: hehe |
| 17:49:36 | benmeyer | NetGear |
| 17:49:38 | benmeyer | or Socket |
| 17:49:42 | benmeyer | depening what rom |
| 17:49:43 | asterick | That's what I was thinking. |
| 17:49:48 | ciaolinux | kergoth: well i still don't have a zaurus... i wish i do |
| 17:49:57 | asterick | ben: which card, for which rom... |
| 17:50:09 | ciaolinux | anyway is it possible to upgrade the ram? |
| 17:50:14 | hunger | ciaolinux: On the Zaurus? Are you mad? /var/lib/dpkg has 28MB here, the Z has 64 to split between RAM and 'disc' |
| 17:50:22 | benmeyer | Socket for OZ or if you want no WEP on Sharp |
| 17:50:25 | benmeyer | Netgear otherwise |
| 17:50:27 | asterick | ciao: most likely no. |
| 17:50:39 | XavierXeon | is there a place to dowload background pics for oz (i know i can do my own) :) |
| 17:50:43 | benmeyer | if(OZ or !WEP) Socket; else Netgear |
| 17:50:48 | benmeyer | hehe |
| 17:50:53 | ciaolinux | hunger: well someone said that he managed to... you can find it on google.. i have lost the address |
| 17:50:53 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:51:05 | asterick | Ok, I have to have WEP for campus access. |
| 17:51:09 | ciaolinux | anyway who said that it is 300$ on bb? |
| 17:51:10 | hunger | kergoth: I can't get rid of that compiling problem. |
| 17:51:10 | treke | ciaolinux: Probably can be done. I dont know of anyone online that sells upgrades though |
| 17:51:21 | hunger | kergoth: I now tried with a new gcc, no success. |
| 17:51:33 | kergoth | hunger: hmm, new gcc is sw fp? |
| 17:51:35 | hunger | ciaolinux: There is emdebian. Than *might* work. |
| 17:51:40 | ciaolinux | treke: how about the manual. does it talk about something like that? is there a phisical possibility? |
| 17:51:42 | asterick | So I guess it's netgear. |
| 17:51:47 | ciaolinux | hunger: what is that? |
| 17:51:47 | hunger | kergoth: I build it with --nfp. |
| 17:51:53 | kergoth | hunger: ah. hm |
| 17:52:00 | hunger | ciaolinux: The embedded version of debian. |
| 17:52:01 | treke | ciaolinux: I dont have a zaurus, but that probably wouldnt be a documented possibility |
| 17:52:20 | ciaolinux | hunger: did you try it? |
| 17:52:24 | treke | ciaolinux: Its more of someone with sufficient knowledge and skill could probable do it. |
| 17:52:55 | ciaolinux | hunger: but anyway how does it work? how can you change the os on it? |
| 17:53:08 | kergoth | ciaolinux: you can customize the software on it as much as you want. feel free. |
| 17:53:28 | hunger | kergoth: You can flash in a new kernel. |
| 17:53:31 | ciaolinux | kergoth: i understand the software but debian is not really a software |
| 17:53:39 | ciaolinux | kergoth: it is more like an os |
| 17:53:45 | kergoth | ciaolinux: you can upgrade kernel or distribution |
| 17:53:50 | kergoth | ciaolinux: i created a new distro for it |
| 17:53:51 | warmi_ | I am really tempted to buy 5500 from BB... but on the other hand I would rather wait for the new model ... |
| 17:53:59 | warmi_ | what a dilemma |
| 17:54:00 | KhensU | debian is like blood ;) |
| 17:54:16 | ciaolinux | kergoth: but why can't you install something like a win os? (i don't want to do that, but i am just curious) |
| 17:54:41 | kergoth | ciaolinux: good luck. as i said you can do what you want. |
| 17:54:48 | asterick | When is the new model due out? Even remotely soon? |
| 17:54:53 | ciaolinux | kergoth: did anyone try to do that? |
| 17:54:55 | asterick | (Within a month or two) |
| 17:54:55 | kergoth | ciaolinux: you have the flexibility to write whatever you want into flash. |
| 17:54:57 | kergoth | ciaolinux: no. |
| 17:55:04 | ciaolinux | kergoth: how? |
| 17:55:17 | treke | asterick: More like end of year |
| 17:55:20 | warmi_ | asterick: don't know ... sometime this year - that's all we heard |
| 17:55:22 | hunger | ciaolinux: Where would you want to get winCE with the drivers necessary? |
| 17:55:33 | treke | asterick: There is no official details yet |
| 17:55:36 | kergoth | ciaolinux: you can flash the software using the standard upgrade procedure. |
| 17:56:16 | ciaolinux | kergoth: how about something like a vmware? how slow is it? |
| 17:56:23 | kergoth | ciaolinux: huh? |
| 17:56:34 | kergoth | ciaolinux: there is no vmware that runs on the zaurus. and doing so would be absolutely insane. |
| 17:56:47 | treke | ciaolinux: VMware is x86 only |
| 17:56:49 | ciaolinux | kergoth: well but it would be fun! :-) |
| 17:56:52 | warmi_ | isn't vmware x86 only ? |
| 17:57:02 | ciaolinux | kergoth: anyway does zaurus read the same binary as a pc? |
| 17:57:04 | kergoth | ciaolinux: as they just said, its x86 only. |
| 17:57:10 | kergoth | ciaolinux: no, the zaursu isnt x86, its ARM |
| 17:57:13 | hunger | ciaolinux: No. |
| 17:57:15 | kergoth | ciaolinux: different architecture. |
| 17:57:25 | ciaolinux | kergoth: i see.. how about the sources? is it portable? |
| 17:57:32 | kergoth | ciaolinux: is what portable? |
| 17:57:36 | hunger | ciaolinux: The Zaurus has a strongarm CPU as I explained erlier. That is of course not compatible with a PC. |
| 17:57:37 | ciaolinux | kergoth: what is compatible with? |
| 17:57:45 | kergoth | ciaolinux: i dont understand the question. |
| 17:58:11 | treke | ciaolinux: Its Linux. Its compatible with other ARM Linux distributions that use similar versions of glibc |
| 17:58:11 | ciaolinux | kergoth: can you compile the same software from a source released on linux? |
| 17:58:16 | kergoth | oh you guys can field the rest of these questions, i do enough tech support for my job. |
| 17:58:17 | kergoth | bbiaf |
| 17:58:19 | hunger | kergoth: I guess he wants to know wether you can carry around the sources in some way;-) |
| 17:58:57 | hunger | ciaolinux: Of course you can compile from source. How do you think did the linux kernel get there? |
| 18:01:14 | XavierXeon | it really depends on what dependencies the source has |
| 18:02:01 | hunger | XavierXeon: I said you can do it, not that it is easy;-) |
| 18:02:13 | XavierXeon | true |
| 18:07:17 | XavierXeon | can you disable suspend on oz ? |
| 18:07:40 | kergoth | XavierXeon: run light&power. check the "only turn off lcd on suspend" button |
| 18:07:47 | kergoth | XavierXeon: then it wont suspend, just disable the lcd |
| 18:08:22 | XavierXeon | kergoth: i know, but can you completely disable it somehow |
| 18:09:31 | warmi_ | http://www.zaurus.com/dev/challenge/ |
| 18:09:34 | killefiz | XavierXeon: there used to be a Suspend disabler/enabler for the sharp rom but it was on the old zauruszone software section which is gone now |
| 18:09:35 | warmi_ | new contest |
| 18:09:43 | kergoth | XavierXeon: um, disable what? |
| 18:09:48 | kergoth | XavierXeon: that does disable suspend. |
| 18:09:51 | killefiz | it's still listed on zsi tho: http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=56 |
| 18:10:11 | kergoth | ahaha i'm a moron |
| 18:10:12 | XavierXeon | killefiz: this does not work on oz |
| 18:10:13 | kergoth | i found my problem |
| 18:10:26 | kergoth | XavierXeon: it doenst work on OZ? it should.. it uses the same interfaces as the sharp rom.. |
| 18:10:57 | killefiz | warmi_: get rid of the old SL-5000 units that nobody wants? |
| 18:11:05 | warmi_ | I guess |
| 18:11:07 | kergoth | warmi_: hah, i like that they provide a list of apps they need |
| 18:11:24 | warmi_ | well, I cannot participate anyway |
| 18:11:36 | warmi_ | not that I need another 5000d |
| 18:11:36 | asterick | Coo, the netgear 802.11b adapter for $96... |
| 18:11:39 | warmi_ | heeh |
| 18:11:44 | kergoth | "Drivers for CF cards not corrently supported" |
| 18:11:46 | kergoth | hah |
| 18:11:48 | kergoth | how vague |
| 18:11:59 | asterick | and misspelled |
| 18:11:59 | killefiz | warmi_: sure? I thought only bigboss counts as winner? |
| 18:12:05 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:12:06 | warmi_ | "Apple OS X Sync" |
| 18:12:06 | kergoth | that too |
| 18:12:31 | warmi_ | killefiz: sure .. acording to sniper anyway |
| 18:12:34 | kergoth | "Exercise & Diet Assistant" <-man, i need one of those |
| 18:13:13 | warmi_ | kergoth: no .. you need exercise not exercise assistant |
| 18:13:14 | warmi_ | :-) |
| 18:13:25 | NetAmp | wheee MP3's sound good, I should get a bigger SD card :D |
| 18:13:38 | kergoth | warmi_: hah, no, i get exercise.. i just cant keep track of it :-) |
| 18:13:42 | XavierXeon | the new developer contest looks like more prices for bigboss |
| 18:13:47 | warmi_ | "ebook Reader " <- I thought there was already one |
| 18:13:55 | warmi_ | qtreader |
| 18:13:57 | kergoth | heh, whats wrong with opie-reader/qtreader |
| 18:13:58 | kergoth | yeah |
| 18:14:07 | treke | warmi_: adobe support is probably what they mean |
| 18:14:08 | killefiz | XavierXeon: Winners of previous sharp events are not allowed to enter |
| 18:14:21 | warmi_ | "Stable VNC Viewer |
| 18:14:24 | warmi_ | ??? |
| 18:14:25 | treke | hehe |
| 18:14:34 | killefiz | warmi_: so everyone who recieved a 5000 from the first competition is out or just the 1st round winners? |
| 18:14:34 | NetAmp | java? or another qt |
| 18:14:48 | kergoth | NetAmp: another qt. the java contest is seperate |
| 18:14:52 | zappin | what contest is this? |
| 18:14:54 | warmi_ | killefiz: yeah .. as I said, acorindg to sniper |
| 18:15:02 | warmi_ | the idea is to get new developers |
| 18:15:18 | warmi_ | zapping: qt |
| 18:15:32 | killefiz | warmi_: yeah to what part of my question? ;) |
| 18:15:34 | warmi_ | HTML Editor |
| 18:15:36 | zappin | what's the URL? |
| 18:15:38 | XavierXeon | there are already apps listed for the contest. sharp should have done their homework |
| 18:15:40 | warmi_ | that's tkcEditor |
| 18:15:41 | NetAmp | there are many developers here :P why do they bother ;) hehe |
| 18:15:48 | warmi_ | http://www.zaurus.com/dev/challenge/ |
| 18:18:12 | NetAmp | Tomb Raiders/Quake type? |
| 18:18:17 | NetAmp | on the Z? ;) |
| 18:18:18 | NetAmp | heh |
| 18:18:32 | NetAmp | Good Pinball game... hm |
| 18:18:44 | NetAmp | would also be cool |
| 18:19:31 | darienm | They just released Tomb Raiders for the PocketPC |
| 18:19:45 | NetAmp | cancel&ok buttons would probably be handy to use for pinball :) |
| 18:19:54 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:19:55 | NetAmp | darienm: they did? hm cool |
| 18:19:57 | kergoth | pinball would be fun on the Z |
| 18:20:04 | NetAmp | kergoth: exactly :D |
| 18:20:11 | zappin | Does anyone here have a PocketPC PDA? |
| 18:20:16 | warmi_ | uh ... instead of this contest I will better port Puzz-le to PPC and makes some cash there, perhaps enough to get my this new upcoming 5600 model |
| 18:20:18 | kergoth | arcade type games in general are good |
| 18:20:18 | warmi_ | :-) |
| 18:20:18 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:20:26 | NetAmp | installs Midnight Commander |
| 18:20:36 | kergoth | warmi_: hehe. good idea. get a piece of the bigger pie eh |
| 18:20:56 | NetAmp | warmi_: yeah! make money on M$'s stuff ;) |
| 18:21:02 | warmi_ | I don't really want to go back to MFC crap |
| 18:21:06 | NetAmp | :S |
| 18:21:09 | Neo|Work | they have some odd games there. :P |
| 18:21:13 | warmi_ | I would rather do Qt |
| 18:21:23 | NetAmp | port Qt to PPC :P |
| 18:21:38 | warmi_ | there is already qt port for PPC |
| 18:21:43 | NetAmp | Port of phpMyAdmin |
| 18:22:17 | NetAmp | hm... that shouldn't be all too hard would it? since it's php |
| 18:22:30 | warmi_ | nah ... they mean Qtopia port |
| 18:22:34 | NetAmp | ow :) |
| 18:22:39 | Harlekin | hu |
| 18:22:41 | NetAmp | ofcourse.. d'oh stuupid me ;) |
| 18:22:46 | NetAmp | Harlekin: hiya |
| 18:22:50 | Harlekin | hi NetAmp |
| 18:23:40 | NetAmp | Drug Lookup/Database, hehe, I'll make one with items like 'crack','cocain','xtc','lsd' :P |
| 18:23:44 | warmi_ | Harlekin: do you own Z ? |
| 18:23:45 | kergoth | hah |
| 18:23:48 | Harlekin | warmi_: no |
| 18:23:53 | kergoth | NetAmp: with descriptions of their effects? ;-) |
| 18:24:02 | warmi_ | then get busy with that new contest |
| 18:24:12 | NetAmp | kergoth: *lol* |
| 18:24:12 | kergoth | hey Harlekin |
| 18:24:28 | NetAmp | kergoth: maybe, but not from own experience ;) hah |
| 18:24:30 | kergoth | NetAmp: i can see it now ..... Effects: munchies ... |
| 18:24:36 | darienm | NetAmp: http://www.handango.com/PlatformProductDetail.jsp?siteId=1&jid=9E44X293684A9F733A862A4A93791C58&platformId=2&productType=2&productId=33782 |
| 18:24:38 | Harlekin | hey kergoth |
| 18:24:42 | Harlekin | warmi_: why |
| 18:24:50 | warmi_ | cause you can win one |
| 18:24:54 | NetAmp | darienm: whoah |
| 18:24:56 | Harlekin | warmi_: which limits |
| 18:25:00 | Harlekin | warmi_: url |
| 18:25:14 | warmi_ | does anyone recognize this line of code : BOOL CPuzzple_ppcApp::InitInstance() |
| 18:25:15 | warmi_ | hehe |
| 18:25:21 | kergoth | CPuzzple? |
| 18:25:21 | warmi_ | http://www.zaurus.com/dev/challenge/ |
| 18:25:22 | kergoth | lol |
| 18:25:33 | | killefiz: what? |
| 18:25:33 | killefiz | ibot: contest |
| 18:25:44 | | OK, killefiz. |
| 18:25:44 | killefiz | ibot: contest is http://www.zaurus.com/dev/challenge/ |
| 18:25:48 | NetAmp | :) |
| 18:25:54 | warmi_ | kergoth: that's what came out of App wizard for VC ++ for CE |
| 18:26:05 | Harlekin | warmi_: again in german tr("Prüfungszeit") |
| 18:26:08 | Harlekin | .-( |
| 18:26:10 | kergoth | warmi_: hah |
| 18:26:13 | Harlekin | just like the TT contest |
| 18:26:32 | NetAmp | I think I'll do an HTML Editor, just a Qt text area with load/save options :P :P ;) |
| 18:26:52 | Harlekin | warmi_: and chose one app from their "wanted apps" list? |
| 18:27:21 | warmi_ | Harlekin yeah |
| 18:27:28 | zecke | duh 5000d |
| 18:27:38 | Harlekin | warmi_: yeah, only a 5000d |
| 18:27:47 | warmi_ | they are getting rid of old 5000d |
| 18:27:52 | Harlekin | warmi_: and there is enough work on opie |
| 18:27:57 | Harlekin | warmi_: to do |
| 18:28:06 | zecke | and the choose |
| 18:28:07 | killefiz | Harlekin: submit opie then |
| 18:28:07 | Harlekin | warmi_: if sharp cannot honor that, its their problem |
| 18:28:12 | warmi_ | Harleking: that's not they point, you can get Z |
| 18:28:12 | Harlekin | killefiz: hehe |
| 18:28:13 | zecke | is a wishlist from Sharp |
| 18:28:18 | Harlekin | i thought its a java contest |
| 18:28:21 | warmi_ | kind of hard to work on PDA without owning one |
| 18:28:22 | zecke | killefiz: no way |
| 18:28:55 | zecke | damn fucking Sharp wishlist and there willing to give nothing for the implementation of these apps..... |
| 18:29:10 | kergoth | zecke: cynical are we? |
| 18:29:11 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:29:16 | NetAmp | ;) |
| 18:29:30 | benmeyer | using ftp in passive mode how do I get hidden files? |
| 18:29:36 | zecke | kergoth: not really |
| 18:29:39 | kergoth | LIST -a |
| 18:29:42 | kergoth | iirc |
| 18:29:44 | zecke | kergoth: did you look at the list? |
| 18:29:49 | warmi_ | btw ... KPackman in Opie is broken |
| 18:29:50 | kergoth | zecke: yeah |
| 18:29:59 | zecke | kergoth: Better email client |
| 18:30:01 | XavierXeon | I think i should do the spors game : its called pong |
| 18:30:02 | benmeyer | what would LIST\r\n do? |
| 18:30:03 | warmi_ | I don't know why it is there ... it doesn't work |
| 18:30:08 | benmeyer | bla |
| 18:30:10 | kergoth | benmeyer: not show you hidden files. |
| 18:30:46 | benmeyer | yah |
| 18:30:51 | kergoth | zecke: yeah. well, you cant blame them for wanting to get free developer effort.. but the stupid fucking thing is, they have free developer effort from us without a contest if only they'd cooperate with teh community. |
| 18:31:13 | zecke | kergoth: yes |
| 18:31:23 | zecke | kergoth: but the wishlist is ridicoulis |
| 18:31:42 | benmeyer | Thanks |
| 18:31:42 | kergoth | zecke: not totally.. I'd like to see some of those apps.. ;-) |
| 18:31:46 | warmi_ | zecke: why ? there are some strange app n that list |
| 18:31:47 | Harlekin | that list look they do not really need good apps |
| 18:31:53 | Harlekin | hey |
| 18:31:56 | cranch | anyone using mazingo yet> |
| 18:32:00 | Harlekin | flight sim is really NEEDED, |
| 18:32:01 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 18:32:03 | zecke | kergoth: if they would give away Sl 5500 and take care of shipping handling and taxes it would be ok |
| 18:32:07 | kergoth | for example, i could really use a exercise/diet app. |
| 18:32:09 | darienm | What's 'stable vnc viewer' mean? Whats wrong with keypebble? |
| 18:32:15 | Harlekin | new york training area |
| 18:32:15 | darienm | cranch: CloudChaser is using mazingo |
| 18:32:19 | kergoth | darienm: good question. why not just fix it. |
| 18:32:21 | darienm | cranch: I have it, haven't installed yet |
| 18:32:33 | cranch | It didn't appear to sync...trying it again |
| 18:32:43 | darienm | kergoth: looks pretty desperate to list Mac OS X sync on that lisdt. |
| 18:32:45 | kergoth | zecke: yeah. so you'd have to pay import fees and stuff if you won, huh? |
| 18:32:50 | warmi_ | zecke: you can blame Sharp for pdredatory taxation system in Germany :-) |
| 18:32:52 | | CloudChaser was last seen on #zaurus 2 hours, 21 minutes and 39 seconds ago, saying: ah..same for z anyway i think [Thu Jul 18 17:11:13 2002] |
| 18:32:52 | darienm | ibot seen CloudChaser |
| 18:32:56 | zecke | kergoth: I'm pissed off because of the reason. They know which software they need for their platform so they make another contest to get these apps... |
| 18:32:57 | kergoth | darienm: yeah, obviously they dont see their own developers finishing it soon |
| 18:33:11 | zecke | kergoth: I had to pay |
| 18:33:14 | kergoth | zecke: well like i said, they want to take advantage of free developer effort. thats expected. |
| 18:33:17 | darienm | Cocktail Recipes: that looks damn easy |
| 18:33:19 | treke | kergoth: benmeyer mentioned that apple is doing a driver now |
| 18:33:26 | kergoth | zecke: but to do this, and not work with us when they dont have to give us anything, is stupid. |
| 18:33:32 | zecke | kergoth: but that's not a fair trade IMHO |
| 18:33:32 | kergoth | treke: yeah |
| 18:33:33 | darienm | treke: Actually JasonNJ mentioned it also |
| 18:33:47 | zecke | kergoth: getting Ximian Evolution in trade of a ol Sl5000d |
| 18:33:52 | treke | supposedly it was still stuck in the legal paperwork stage |
| 18:33:53 | kergoth | zecke: of course its not fair. since when are companies fair? they keep their own interests at heart. |
| 18:34:18 | zecke | kergoth: yes but that's ok as long as the developers profit.... |
| 18:34:19 | Harlekin | pets his ipaq armada |
| 18:34:20 | cranch | cloudchaser? |
| 18:34:22 | kergoth | zecke: its just the way things work. I dont mind the contest, but i mind them having the contest when they arent working with us. |
| 18:34:30 | kergoth | zecke: yes. |
| 18:34:38 | NetAmp | whoah! |
| 18:34:39 | NetAmp | heh |
| 18:34:44 | warmi_ | kergoth: it is fair .. since you are working for free anyway as it is .. I don't see anything unfair in their effort to "channel" deveports into developing particular apps |
| 18:34:46 | kergoth | NetAmp: ? |
| 18:34:51 | warmi_ | frankly, they don't ow us anything |
| 18:34:52 | zecke | kergoth: I wouldn't mind if Compaq sends me an iPAQ if they want better Opie support... |
| 18:34:53 | kergoth | warmi_: he |
| 18:34:54 | kergoth | er |
| 18:34:55 | NetAmp | I'm using Midnight Commander with micro-size font in konsole ;) |
| 18:34:56 | kergoth | damn enter. |
| 18:35:01 | NetAmp | it's really small :D |
| 18:35:05 | zecke | kergoth: thats a fair trade from my point of view... |
| 18:35:24 | kergoth | zecke: yes |
| 18:35:33 | NetAmp | I can't seem to use F1 etc. though :S at least not while Z is in the cradle |
| 18:35:36 | Harlekin | zecke: best is that sharp thinks that a devel unit need less ram and flash |
| 18:35:43 | JasonNJ | slinks away and hides |
| 18:35:52 | zecke | hehe |
| 18:35:53 | warmi_ | NetAmp: just use onscreen keyboard |
| 18:35:53 | kergoth | Harlekin: that is foolish, since developers need more ram and the like for testing. |
| 18:35:55 | kergoth | hehe jason |
| 18:36:02 | zecke | JasonNJ: did you get receiving working? |
| 18:36:03 | Harlekin | kergoth: suprise .-) |
| 18:36:11 | NetAmp | warmi: yah but that doesn't do F1-F12 or does it? |
| 18:36:14 | kergoth | Harlekin: hehe. its common sense.. i wonder who made that decision. |
| 18:36:17 | JasonNJ | zecke: not the last time we tried |
| 18:36:24 | Harlekin | JasonNJ: who was it? |
| 18:36:24 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 18:36:29 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:36:51 | JasonNJ | I flashed back to the sharp rom on my unit, I had some issues with OZ 10.4 |
| 18:37:01 | JasonNJ | the ipkg-upgrade kept hosing my unit |
| 18:37:04 | Harlekin | kergoth: why whould i want a 5000D |
| 18:37:10 | Harlekin | kergoth: cannot be used for development |
| 18:37:19 | warmi_ | Netmp: you know what .. you might be right |
| 18:37:26 | kergoth | Harlekin: it can.. if you ditch the ramdisk and nfs mount your desktop for space.... hehe |
| 18:37:37 | Harlekin | kergoth: yeah, for the 3 mb gdb |
| 18:38:25 | NetAmp | warmi: :S oh well MC wasn't designed for this anway ;) |
| 18:38:44 | NetAmp | warmi: but it should be doable when using the real keyboard... |
| 18:39:08 | warmi_ | Rescue Raiders <- that must have been Sniper's contribution to the list of contest apps |
| 18:39:09 | warmi_ | hehe |
| 18:39:32 | JasonNJ | I want Choplifter personally |
| 18:39:57 | NetAmp | choplifter? |
| 18:40:05 | NetAmp | is that like a shoplifter? ;) |
| 18:40:05 | oGMo | uh crap |
| 18:40:06 | oGMo | hrm |
| 18:40:18 | warmi_ | heheh |
| 18:40:19 | XavierXeon | I still want wipeout (but it will never happen) |
| 18:40:22 | oGMo | if i had pushed the "full reset" button while flashing, would the green and yellow LEDs still be on? |
| 18:40:57 | JasonNJ | Chopliter is a helicopter game that came out for the Apple II and C-64 |
| 18:41:07 | JasonNJ | and I think there was a standup arcade version at one point |
| 18:41:08 | zecke | JasonNJ: Lotus Notes Sync... How funny |
| 18:41:12 | oGMo | JasonNJ: and later Nintendo |
| 18:41:21 | warmi_ | and Atari 800XL ... I used to play it on Atari |
| 18:41:29 | JasonNJ | it rocked |
| 18:41:35 | oGMo | XavierXeon: wipeout fusion? |
| 18:41:35 | zecke | Drivers for CF cards not corrently supported |
| 18:41:47 | XavierXeon | oGMo: would be cool ! |
| 18:42:29 | oGMo | XavierXeon: yeah i picked it up a week or so ago along with shadow hearts... it's definitely worth it if you like fast arcade-style racing, LOTS of lasting appeal---tons of tracks, etc. |
| 18:43:10 | warmi_ | wipeout us just not going to happen on 200 MHZ box with no hardware accelerated graphics |
| 18:43:12 | oGMo | like 46 tracks, although they "reuse" areas in all these different configurations |
| 18:43:31 | XavierXeon | oGMo: wait until you get the full blown pirahnias. its so faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaast i can play it for only 20 minutes before i get a headache |
| 18:43:34 | oGMo | warmi_: ya think ;) |
| 18:43:40 | warmi_ | hehe |
| 18:43:47 | oGMo | i'd like to see snes9x ported though |
| 18:43:55 | XavierXeon | warmi_: that is very obvious ! |
| 18:44:23 | warmi_ | on the other hand cool pinball game would be great |
| 18:44:24 | oGMo | or... how 'bout a Zaurus 6000G, complete with nvidia gf2go |
| 18:44:38 | oGMo | lasts 3 minutes on batteries, with the backlight |
| 18:44:47 | warmi_ | and with its own portable cooler |
| 18:44:52 | ranf | benmeyer: Sorry I don't get it? (the mail you just sent me) |
| 18:44:54 | oGMo | (but those are three gorgeous minutes) |
| 18:44:59 | warmi_ | hehee |
| 18:45:08 | warmi_ | oGMo: yeah, indeed |
| 18:45:34 | NetAmp | oGMo: and, it would be a nice portable heater for winter times :D |
| 18:45:36 | NetAmp | ;-) |
| 18:46:15 | oGMo | woot, i've got an OpenZaurus bootup screen |
| 18:46:19 | NetAmp | pinball would be great indeed.. |
| 18:46:35 | jwsh | I always liked Tron: Deadly Discs |
| 18:47:00 | oGMo | NetAmp: :) |
| 18:47:52 | oGMo | i'm still wondering if the LCD can be turned off in software, and if that'd save any juice |
| 18:49:15 | oGMo | oh wow, this is nice |
| 18:49:24 | NetAmp | snes9x would also be really sweet... |
| 18:49:34 | NetAmp | but since GameBoy emu already runs slow :( |
| 18:49:37 | NetAmp | *sigh* |
| 18:49:48 | tux_mike | NetAmp: the GB emu isn't optomized at all |
| 18:49:50 | BigBoss | what is this super lame new app contest that is going on now? |
| 18:49:55 | warmi_ | NetAmp: have you tried GB emu ? |
| 18:49:58 | NetAmp | I still have many snes ROMs... |
| 18:49:59 | | contest is http://www.zaurus.com/dev/challenge/ |
| 18:49:59 | darienm | ibot contest |
| 18:50:07 | tux_mike | BigBoss: another long wait for results |
| 18:50:14 | NetAmp | warmi: err not myself |
| 18:50:25 | oGMo | uh... hrm, this thing is taking 11 |
| 18:50:35 | oGMo | err 11MB of the FS alone? damn |
| 18:50:41 | NetAmp | well there are screenshots on the Intimate site of snes games running |
| 18:50:47 | NetAmp | but that's on X? |
| 18:50:58 | Neo|Work | BigBoss: don't even think about it, you're not eligible. :) |
| 18:51:02 | oGMo | actually 16. Geez. What's the rom for? ;) |
| 18:51:31 | warmi_ | Neo|work neither are we :-) |
| 18:51:31 | BigBoss | the prize is a 5000d for gods sake |
| 18:51:43 | BigBoss | and look at the app list - they are trying to fill in their own gaps with free work |
| 18:51:47 | W|GGL|T | is away: nite all |
| 18:51:58 | tux_mike | is not bothering with this contest |
| 18:52:15 | warmi_ | BigBoss: is that what OPIE is all about ? |
| 18:52:35 | NetAmp | neither am I, already got me a 5500 ;) though I could probably sell such a 5000 hehe |
| 18:52:37 | warmi_ | I don't understand all that outrage about Sharp trying to "exploit" OS developer |
| 18:52:40 | warmi_ | developers |
| 18:53:19 | BigBoss | look at the contest, it looks like Trolltech trolling for people to buy developer licenses and Sharp trying to fill the gaps in their software |
| 18:53:27 | BigBoss | just freaking pay some people to write the code |
| 18:54:57 | NetAmp | sw33t: http://intimate.handhelds.org/jacques/screenies/snes9x3.png :D |
| 18:55:01 | warmi_ | oh .. I don't think Trolls are stupid enough to believe that someone will purchase $350 license to win $180 device |
| 18:55:04 | warmi_ | hehe |
| 18:55:22 | tux_mike | warmi: 200 license |
| 18:55:53 | warmi_ | BigBoss: btw .. they got duped into thinking that Linux community has so many developers working basically for free .. |
| 18:56:00 | warmi_ | no wonder they are doing stuff like that |
| 18:56:10 | cranch | needs mazingo help |
| 18:56:43 | cranch | or could someone tell me the default zaurus IP for syncing?\ |
| 18:57:17 | NetAmp | 192.168.129.201 |
| 18:57:50 | | benmeyer was last seen on #zaurus 26 minutes and 8 seconds ago, saying: Thanks [Thu Jul 18 19:31:42 2002] |
| 18:57:50 | ranf | ibot seen benmeyer |
| 18:57:57 | warmi_ | tux_mike: not anymore ... with 5500 being sold for $320I don't think you will find anyone willing to buy 500D for $200 |
| 18:58:40 | tux_mike | oh, i was talking about the TT commercial license, that's $200 for Qtopia |
| 18:58:48 | cranch | I went to Best Buy and got $91 back on my Z today... |
| 18:59:04 | warmi_ | ah ok |
| 18:59:31 | warmi_ | cranch: seriously ? |
| 18:59:50 | cranch | yup |
| 19:00:10 | cranch | I paid $399 for it about 2 weeks ago...walked back in to there today..told them I saw it cheaper on the shelf, refund of $91 |
| 19:00:18 | cranch | they are selling it here for $313.99 |
| 19:00:40 | zappin | I paid like $529 for mine at Office Depot |
| 19:00:43 | warmi_ | my wife told me she saw 5500 today at BB with 32o price tag |
| 19:00:56 | warmi_ | cranch: yeah, 313 .. that's about right |
| 19:01:06 | warmi_ | great price for that kind of hardware |
| 19:01:16 | cranch | thats with tax changes too |
| 19:01:38 | Neo|Work | warmi_: I know |
| 19:01:56 | Neo|Work | BigBoss: right, hardly very much reason to enter for a 5000 |
| 19:02:05 | treke | hmmm, they arent giving the sdk away again? |
| 19:02:09 | cranch | BigBoss aroudn anywhere? |
| 19:02:11 | treke | might enter |
| 19:02:15 | cranch | I want some new software :) |
| 19:02:23 | warmi_ | no .. either use GPL or buy commecrial license |
| 19:02:45 | Neo|Work | cranch: buy games. I have a bunch good ones. :) |
| 19:02:45 | treke | they were giving away commercial licenses for the first contest |
| 19:02:55 | Neo|Work | yes |
| 19:02:56 | cranch | games like what Neo? |
| 19:02:58 | Neo|Work | lucky me. :P |
| 19:02:59 | warmi_ | not anymore |
| 19:03:08 | warmi_ | The applications must be developed under Qtopia. There are two SDK options for developers. For those who decide to utilize the free SDK will have their application GPL'ed.(Sourceforge) For those who want a license, they must purchase a commercial SDK for $195 here. |
| 19:03:13 | cranch | What company do you own again Neo? |
| 19:03:15 | treke | oh well. maybe a free 5000d would be incentive for me to write something |
| 19:03:26 | Neo|Work | cranch: http://eongames.com/ - Strategic Assault, Eligo, Bust'em, Candy Cruncher are out (CC is sold by Pyrogon on handango though) |
| 19:03:28 | warmi_ | treke: go for it |
| 19:03:32 | treke | I can think of some people who would like one :) |
| 19:03:33 | Neo|Work | rocketelite soon (demo today) |
| 19:03:50 | Neo|Work | treke: might not be that hard to win I guess. :P |
| 19:03:51 | warmi_ | if you are planning to write apps for the zaurus , might as well get something in return |
| 19:04:44 | treke | yeah, I dont care much for a 5000d myself, but it would make a good gift :) |
| 19:04:51 | warmi_ | and this one is different ..as soon as you send them your beta app .. they will send you 5000d |
| 19:04:58 | cranch | how does Strategic Assault play? |
| 19:05:00 | treke | oh? cool |
| 19:06:12 | kergoth | someone smack me, please |
| 19:06:15 | kergoth | jeeze |
| 19:06:21 | kergoth | its not my day |
| 19:06:23 | treke | looks over the rules |
| 19:06:24 | cranch | anyone here run tkcKapital? |
| 19:07:05 | XavierXeon | cranch: i did but i was to lazy to tyoe all the stuuf in |
| 19:07:28 | cranch | thats what I was wondering..if synced with anything... |
| 19:07:38 | cranch | like my online banking stuff..or if I wasn't getting the hang of it at all |
| 19:07:39 | Neo|Work | cranch: download the demos - all my stuff has some sort of trial version |
| 19:07:48 | cranch | will do Neo :) |
| 19:07:59 | hunger | smacks kergoth. |
| 19:08:13 | [DrEvil] | waits for OZ to boot |
| 19:08:16 | [DrEvil] | this had better be good |
| 19:08:22 | [DrEvil] | stares at kergoth |
| 19:08:25 | toolafial | give kergoth a good smack with a unix manual |
| 19:08:35 | kergoth | ow |
| 19:08:36 | toolafial | there that should wake you up |
| 19:08:38 | kergoth | thanks |
| 19:08:39 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:10:11 | warmi_ | unix manuals these days are getting smaller ... |
| 19:10:37 | warmi_ | you some something real .. go for IBM mainframe manual |
| 19:10:42 | kergoth | smacks toolafial with 'info cvs' |
| 19:10:43 | warmi_ | :-) |
| 19:10:55 | kergoth | i couldnt figure out this piece of mtd code |
| 19:10:57 | kergoth | it looked wrong |
| 19:10:59 | treke | hands toolafial a brick |
| 19:11:04 | treke | toolafial: they work better |
| 19:11:06 | kergoth | turns out i was looking at old code |
| 19:11:30 | warmi_ | ouch .. that always leaves one feeling stupid |
| 19:11:34 | warmi_ | I know the paint kergoth |
| 19:11:36 | warmi_ | hehe |
| 19:11:40 | kergoth | yeah, waste of time |
| 19:11:40 | warmi_ | pain even |
| 19:11:45 | kergoth | i was trying to solve a problem that was already solved |
| 19:11:46 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:12:06 | kergoth | oh the plus side, i did notice that it was a problem, so i'm not completely inept |
| 19:12:08 | toolafial | treke: I usually don't like to use my "universal key" to smack ppl |
| 19:12:59 | zappin | slaps henning_ around a bit with a large trout |
| 19:13:00 | treke | hmmm. I wonder is a ipkg containing php and apache would count as aort of phpmyadmin :) |
| 19:13:21 | [DrEvil] | heh |
| 19:13:34 | [DrEvil] | the new Seahawks stadium has centralized beer distribution |
| 19:14:55 | oGMo | erp |
| 19:15:06 | oGMo | the OpenZaurus rom lets you write to it? |
| 19:15:13 | oGMo | the flash rom, that is |
| 19:15:22 | toolafial | oGMo : yea |
| 19:15:32 | oGMo | toolafial: that's... nifty and scary all at once |
| 19:15:41 | kergoth | oGMo: lol |
| 19:15:49 | kergoth | oGMo: rm -rf / is a nono |
| 19:15:49 | ranf | ibot dns 207.77.78.3 |
| 19:15:49 | | 207.77.78.3 is gatekeepernj3.sharpsec.com |
| 19:15:58 | toolafial | oGMo : hear ya, when I saw it I was so scared that I immediatly flashed to sharp rom |
| 19:16:12 | oGMo | toolafial: heh ;) |
| 19:16:27 | treke | conveniently an app I want is on that list :) |
| 19:16:30 | oGMo | i wonder if i can remount it ro |
| 19:16:34 | kergoth | oGMo: just wait till OZ has you running as a nonroot user. will make it a bit more safe. |
| 19:16:43 | oGMo | kergoth: ya |
| 19:16:46 | kergoth | oGMo: yes, you can. but you'd better symlink your homedir someplace |
| 19:16:56 | kergoth | oGMo: because right now Documents and Applications are in flash |
| 19:16:57 | kergoth | :-) |
| 19:17:03 | kergoth | treke: same here |
| 19:17:16 | oGMo | kergoth: !! |
| 19:17:32 | oGMo | they shouldn't be imo :P |
| 19:18:03 | treke | I'm all registered now, just have to start work on it :) |
| 19:18:25 | toolafial | is learning about PyQt |
| 19:18:37 | oGMo | although what i don't get is SysInfo reports lots of /mnt/ram being used, and df reports 0% |
| 19:22:48 | oGMo | also, wtf is it formatted minix, not ext2 |
| 19:23:48 | toolafial | man now I need a good smacking |
| 19:23:57 | kergoth | oGMo: sysinfo reports /mtn/ram incorrectly. known bug. |
| 19:24:12 | XavierXeon | treke: what app ? |
| 19:24:14 | kergoth | oGMo: its minix because you dont gain much by swithing to ext2, and i said what the hell |
| 19:24:15 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:24:26 | zecke | I hate myself..... |
| 19:24:28 | hunger | smacks toolafial. |
| 19:24:33 | kergoth | zecke: problems? |
| 19:24:38 | hunger | Anyone else in need of getting smacked? |
| 19:24:42 | toolafial | thanks |
| 19:24:44 | kergoth | steals toolafial's manual and smacks him with it |
| 19:24:50 | toolafial | thanks again |
| 19:25:14 | oGMo | kergoth: k |
| 19:25:16 | zecke | kergoth: just searched 30 mins for a bug |
| 19:25:27 | zecke | kergoth: where no bug existed..... |
| 19:26:11 | NetAmp | heh did anyone try Brickout? pretty cool with the sound |
| 19:26:29 | warmi_ | Java one ? |
| 19:26:29 | kergoth | zecke: lol |
| 19:26:34 | kergoth | zecke: that sucks |
| 19:26:56 | warmi_ | NetAmp:: the java one or something new ? |
| 19:27:13 | NetAmp | warmi: http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/brickout/ |
| 19:27:20 | NetAmp | warmi: SDL |
| 19:27:22 | kergoth | bah, just play bustem |
| 19:27:25 | kergoth | :-) |
| 19:27:43 | zecke | kergoth: that are the drugs I've to take currently... |
| 19:28:32 | warmi_ | NetAmp: thanks |
| 19:28:41 | NetAmp | :) |
| 19:29:04 | kergoth | roge99: heyy how goes it |
| 19:29:26 | roge99 | hey kergoth |
| 19:29:30 | roge99 | it goes ok |
| 19:29:35 | roge99 | how bout you |
| 19:29:48 | kergoth | not bad, beating a kernel into submission |
| 19:29:52 | kergoth | new oz release yesterday |
| 19:29:52 | roge99 | hows oz coming long |
| 19:29:58 | roge99 | yea i saw that |
| 19:30:09 | roge99 | whats the differences |
| 19:30:21 | roge99 | still same kernel for now right |
| 19:30:35 | BigBoss | what's the goal for OZ? any end game scenario? |
| 19:30:40 | kergoth | new opie build, new kernel with the new linksys card fix and animated bootlogo, fixed atd for time loss, updated ssh to 3.4, updated version of pcmcia-cs, new socket/symbol driver with monitor support |
| 19:30:49 | roge99 | hey BB how you doing |
| 19:31:07 | roge99 | kewl ... ill have to upgrade |
| 19:31:21 | kergoth | BigBoss: no end game really. the goal is simply to establish an alternative. my personal goals atm are to improve usability to that of the sharp rom, while retaining the power for the power users. |
| 19:32:06 | killefiz | cheers - an animated bootlogo - finally |
| 19:32:16 | warmi_ | kergoth: bustem is just too fast for me ... I get killed within seconds |
| 19:32:23 | warmi_ | too depresing |
| 19:32:52 | roge99 | i've been running with the opie builds from opie.net.wox.org |
| 19:33:32 | kergoth | roge99: yep, those are good, i gave mickey0 the fixed startup scripts so they boot :-) |
| 19:33:34 | BigBoss | hey Roge |
| 19:33:47 | roge99 | ahh i fixed mine myself |
| 19:33:56 | kergoth | roge99: I may just point the oz opie feed to there directly to save me some time |
| 19:33:58 | oGMo | crud, i hit 'Terminate Opie' now it just sits there. hrm. |
| 19:33:59 | kergoth | roge99: hehe |
| 19:34:07 | BigBoss | kergoth: no plans for trying to get people to use it or promote it or anything? |
| 19:34:09 | kergoth | oGMo: ? if you terminate opie it drops you to a login |
| 19:34:19 | JasonNJ | oh man I want one of these alligator cases for my z |
| 19:34:22 | zecke | oGMo: it's a test |
| 19:34:43 | oGMo | hrmmm |
| 19:34:52 | oGMo | i might have to full reset |
| 19:34:55 | kergoth | BigBoss: Not particularly, but then I'm not a sales/marketing guy.. I always wanted a good option, but never really thought about actively trying to push it. Its something to consider I suppose :-) |
| 19:35:00 | kergoth | oGMo: uh, just reboot man |
| 19:35:05 | kergoth | oGMo: soft reset. |
| 19:35:12 | roge99 | the thing thats a pita is their version #'s are 0.9xxx and the older ones were 1.5xxxx which fscks up ipkg |
| 19:35:22 | oGMo | kergoth: oh, didn't know that was an option... hrm |
| 19:35:26 | kergoth | roge99: yeah, thats why the new oz rom makes it a bit easier. gets you over the hurdle |
| 19:35:31 | kergoth | oGMo: flip the battery switch and flip it back again |
| 19:35:35 | kergoth | oGMo: reboots it. |
| 19:35:47 | oGMo | ya |
| 19:35:49 | kergoth | oGMo: thats in your Z manual btw. :-P |
| 19:36:32 | roge99 | oh i had an interesting thing happen bout a week or two ago |
| 19:36:39 | kergoth | whats that |
| 19:36:50 | roge99 | it seems i filled the root file system |
| 19:36:50 | oGMo | kergoth: i figured it out as soon as i flipped the switch ;) |
| 19:37:08 | kergoth | oGMo: hehe |
| 19:37:13 | roge99 | then it told me i couldnt delete a file because the filesystem was full |
| 19:37:15 | kergoth | roge99: ack, thats not good |
| 19:37:18 | kergoth | roge99: ahaha i hate that |
| 19:37:30 | kergoth | roge99: I need to add like free space warnings or something |
| 19:37:44 | oGMo | yeah, damn, it just sits there when i 'terminate opie'... i need to get to something minimal so i can manipulate the fs a bit better |
| 19:37:52 | roge99 | im assuming it wanted to write to the journel that i was deleteing the file |
| 19:38:00 | roge99 | and had no space |
| 19:38:02 | kergoth | oGMo: thats weird. when I terminate opie it drops me to a prompt and i log in |
| 19:38:06 | oGMo | you can't hold 'a' or whatever on startup anymore? |
| 19:38:13 | kergoth | roge99: bit more complex than that |
| 19:38:16 | oGMo | kergoth: hrm, yeah, should do that |
| 19:38:23 | roge99 | right ... |
| 19:38:24 | kergoth | oGMo: you never could with OZ, sharp never released the code to the bootup menu |
| 19:38:38 | oGMo | kergoth: ah |
| 19:38:47 | kergoth | roge99: but yeah, you're in trouble if you absolutely run completely out of space. hehe |
| 19:39:14 | kergoth | bitkeeper is fun |
| 19:39:16 | roge99 | yea ... ill try not to do that again |
| 19:39:16 | oGMo | it ought to be fairly trivial to write an app that checks if anything is in the buffer and takes an action though ;) |
| 19:39:36 | roge99 | hey also ... the nomtdram kernel fscks up a 5000 |
| 19:39:38 | kergoth | oGMo: it'd just do a select with a timeout. simple |
| 19:39:45 | roge99 | thinks it has 64MB |
| 19:39:50 | kergoth | roge99: dont use nomtdram anymore. install zImage-32, the nomtdram version for 5000d. |
| 19:39:54 | Neo|Work | ok, all my products are now on sale at 40-65% or so |
| 19:39:57 | kergoth | roge99: :-) |
| 19:39:58 | roge99 | at least the older one |
| 19:39:59 | roge99 | ahhh |
| 19:40:07 | kergoth | fixed that in this build by manually setting mem= |
| 19:40:23 | roge99 | excelent |
| 19:40:24 | Neo|Work | New prices: Eligo: 4.99, Strategic Assault: 6.99, Forest Fire, $4.99, Bust'em: $8.99 |
| 19:40:31 | Neo|Work | these will NOT last forever though |
| 19:40:44 | kergoth | Neo|Work: test run? |
| 19:40:50 | kergoth | hey iang |
| 19:40:57 | iang | hey |
| 19:41:16 | Neo|Work | kergoth: something like that. :) we'll see if these 3 digit prices help over 4 digit ones... |
| 19:41:22 | kergoth | iang: new openzaurus has spectrum_cs with snax's monitor patch now, should make using kismet with it easier |
| 19:41:43 | oGMo | er hrm |
| 19:41:45 | iang | So I've acquired all the cables and stuff I need to hook up my Z to my GPS, but I haven't tried it yet. I got hooked on geocaching. :-) |
| 19:41:47 | BigBoss | Neo: good luck :) |
| 19:41:51 | kergoth | iang: hah, nice |
| 19:42:11 | Neo|Work | BigBoss: thanks. Will be an interesting experiment |
| 19:42:17 | oGMo | more dumb questions |
| 19:42:19 | Neo|Work | perhaps the end result is permanently cheaper stuff, perhaps not |
| 19:42:22 | kergoth | oGMo: ask away |
| 19:42:22 | iang | kergoth: cool. Note there's a new kismet out, but I don't know if anyone compiled it up for the Z yet. |
| 19:42:31 | kergoth | iang: ah, what version are we up to now? |
| 19:42:32 | oGMo | /dev/mtdblock6 then is RAM, not ROM, right? |
| 19:42:36 | kergoth | oGMo: yes |
| 19:42:44 | iang | kergoth: 2.4 I think |
| 19:42:45 | kergoth | oGMo: mtdblock4 is flash, mtdblock6 is ram |
| 19:42:49 | Neo|Work | note this ppl: buy at cheaper prices and you can expect cheaper products in the future. buy not and well, expect not. :) heh. |
| 19:42:52 | oGMo | k, and where do /tmp and /var come from? |
| 19:42:53 | Neo|Work | ends his plugging. |
| 19:43:17 | kergoth | oGMo: they're tmpfs. the data is lost on reboot, and they are dynamically sized ramdisks |
| 19:43:26 | oGMo | kergoth: ahh |
| 19:43:29 | kergoth | oGMo: since no one cares if /tmp's contents are persistant |
| 19:43:53 | kergoth | oGMo: /var's directory structure gets recreated every boot |
| 19:44:02 | oGMo | kergoth: and when apps get installed normally, where do they go? |
| 19:44:14 | kergoth | oGMo: flash by deafult, unlike sharp rom, which is ram by default |
| 19:44:29 | oGMo | kergoth: ya, i mean on the fs... trying to move stuff over so i can remount / ro ;) |
| 19:44:32 | kergoth | oGMo: in oipkg, go under setup and change default dest, or on To Install screen tap+hold on an app's name to select where to install |
| 19:44:47 | oGMo | kergoth: gotcha |
| 19:44:52 | kergoth | oGMo: ah. well uninstall/install apps to get flash the way you like it, then symlink your homedir stuff, and make it ro |
| 19:45:02 | oGMo | i moved /root to /mnt/ram/root and symlinked it, so that seems to be all |
| 19:45:06 | kergoth | cool |
| 19:45:09 | kergoth | you should be fine |
| 19:45:15 | oGMo | kergoth: rule, k, thanks :) |
| 19:45:35 | kergoth | oGMo: np, the whole point of OZ is flexibility. |
| 19:45:57 | oGMo | kergoth: yeah... the fs is much saner than sharp's, which i like, too |
| 19:46:57 | hunger | kergoth: I blotched the CFLAGS_KERNEL: It works now. |
| 19:47:35 | kergoth | hunger: hw fp gcc + -msoft-float? or sw fp gcc? |
| 19:47:38 | hunger | kergoth: Unfortunately libgcc.a uses HW fp. I have configured gcc with --nfp, so it shouldn't, but wellm it does:-( |
| 19:47:39 | kergoth | hunger: glad it built :-) |
| 19:47:44 | kergoth | hunger: ah, wtf |
| 19:48:43 | whardier | you all suck |
| 19:48:48 | whardier | KIDDING! |
| 19:49:19 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:49:21 | kergoth | bitch |
| 19:49:56 | kergoth | whardier: the rootfs got mounted in 2.5.21-rmk1-cl1 :-) |
| 19:50:11 | kergoth | whardier: course it promptly crashes after that. but hey. |
| 19:50:21 | warmi_ | whoa .. Strategic Assault for $6.99 |
| 19:50:31 | ljp_ | buy it quick! |
| 19:50:39 | warmi_ | bustem for 8.99 |
| 19:50:47 | ljp_ | tictac for FREE! |
| 19:50:56 | BigBoss | with prices that low we both loose money if you don't buy them |
| 19:51:30 | kergoth | sprinkles printk()s around |
| 19:52:13 | [DrEvil] | is that like fairy dust? |
| 19:52:21 | Neo|Work | warmi_: yes, very much a sale. |
| 19:52:26 | oGMo | erp, what happened to USB |
| 19:52:30 | kergoth | yup. only instead of being magic, this enables debugging |
| 19:52:33 | Neo|Work | warmi_: but if it works out well it might stay at those prices |
| 19:52:35 | kergoth | oGMo: ? |
| 19:52:44 | Neo|Work | such is the way of price setting. :) |
| 19:53:17 | oGMo | kergoth: no usb tcp in the network services dialog ... |
| 19:53:18 | George- | back from my holiday :) |
| 19:53:26 | oGMo | although obviously it must be there since ifconfig shows it |
| 19:53:30 | kergoth | oGMo: there never was. sharp didnt release the code, we had to reinvent the wheel |
| 19:53:30 | George- | finally, a time with IRC :) |
| 19:53:44 | kergoth | oGMo: usb works fine, but you cant configure it in the GUI. edit /etc/hotplug/usbd.conf to change settings |
| 19:53:52 | kergoth | hey George- |
| 19:53:56 | George- | kergoth: hey |
| 19:53:58 | oGMo | kergoth: k, did that anyway i guess ;) |
| 19:54:01 | kergoth | hey msmax, how are ya |
| 19:54:01 | George- | kergoth: beta 10.3 released? :) |
| 19:54:10 | warmi_ | yeah, I wonder if Zs sales are steady or are going down .. that will mean a lot for your sales figures in upcoming weeks and months |
| 19:54:14 | msmax | kergoth: thnaks, not bad ;) |
| 19:54:16 | kergoth | George-: 10.4 actually. hehe. yes. i reversioned it, its 2.9.4 now |
| 19:54:23 | Neo|Work | warmi_: indeed |
| 19:54:26 | Neo|Work | in either case, mtg |
| 19:54:27 | George- | kergoth: wtF? :) |
| 19:54:28 | Neo|Work | is away: mtg |
| 19:54:46 | kergoth | George-: yes, thats a third versioning system |
| 19:54:51 | kergoth | George-: hehe. but this one makes sense :-) |
| 19:55:03 | George- | kergoth: hah, sane, OZ? |
| 19:55:08 | George- | kergoth: don't make me laugh :) |
| 19:55:17 | George- | ok |
| 19:55:24 | George- | So it has a niiiccee 32M kernel? |
| 19:55:36 | ljp_ | oz is more sane than sharps rom |
| 19:55:46 | Neo|Work | is away: mtg |
| 19:55:51 | George- | ljp_: I was commenting on the versioning system |
| 19:55:58 | ljp_ | heheh I knwo |
| 19:56:08 | George- | kergoth: I forgot to take my Z on holiday with me =P |
| 19:59:12 | ljp_ | my holiday forgot to take me with my z |
| 20:00:26 | kergoth | ljp_: same here |
| 20:00:27 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:00:39 | George- | "I can confirm that without the Microsoft End User License Agreement, we will not be able to provide you with any replacement"\ |
| 20:00:53 | George- | wtF? This is stupid, I can't order a replacement winxp CD without the EULA |
| 20:01:05 | George- | not like the EULA is a proof of purchase anyway... |
| 20:01:19 | kergoth | hah |
| 20:01:37 | George- | heh |
| 20:01:41 | kergoth | is suffering from a profound lack of caffeine |
| 20:01:44 | George- | if this crappy WinXP Pro is gonna be like that |
| 20:01:53 | George- | I'm gonna friggin' put Linux on my machine for sole use |
| 20:01:58 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:01:58 | kergoth | DO IT |
| 20:01:58 | George- | instead of that dual-boot crap :) |
| 20:01:59 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:02:26 | George- | some stupid fucker stole my WinXP CD - S/w piracy, actually |
| 20:02:31 | George- | and M$ can't give a shit |
| 20:02:36 | toolafial | I'm too lazy to dual boot |
| 20:02:44 | George- | "EVERYBODY! PIRATE WINXP, MS DON'T CARE!" |
| 20:02:59 | ljp_ | why? linux is nicer |
| 20:03:09 | George- | heh |
| 20:03:10 | George- | I know :) |
| 20:03:15 | George- | but X11 is retarded |
| 20:03:18 | ljp_ | sometimes, anyway |
| 20:03:26 | ljp_ | there's other choices |
| 20:03:31 | George- | like...? |
| 20:03:37 | ljp_ | theres metroX and acceleratedX |
| 20:03:46 | George- | on PPC? |
| 20:03:46 | warmi_ | that's still X11 |
| 20:03:51 | warmi_ | just slightly better |
| 20:03:52 | George- | and yes, they use X11 |
| 20:03:52 | warmi_ | :-) |
| 20:04:05 | toolafial | X11 isn't that bad |
| 20:04:16 | George- | (If anyone tells me to use MacOS X, I'll personally murder him/her) |
| 20:04:29 | warmi_ | toolafial : define "that bad" |
| 20:04:30 | warmi_ | hehe |
| 20:04:37 | toolafial | it's halfway usable |
| 20:04:42 | warmi_ | hehe |
| 20:04:44 | toolafial | gets the job done |
| 20:04:48 | George- | hehe, "that bad" == "bloody awful" |
| 20:04:51 | toolafial | good enough for the girls I go out with |
| 20:04:55 | zecke | night |
| 20:04:56 | warmi_ | heh |
| 20:05:05 | George- | bye zecke |
| 20:05:17 | George- | heh |
| 20:05:27 | George- | I'll just shove Win2k back on my Compaq Presario |
| 20:05:29 | George- | fuck WinXP |
| 20:05:33 | George- | fuck M$ |
| 20:05:39 | ljp_ | ohh those Germans always to go sleep early |
| 20:05:51 | toolafial | George- : the thing is I would love to run OS X but the hardware is prohibitly expensive |
| 20:06:04 | George- | toolafial: OS X isn't all what it's cracked up to be |
| 20:06:14 | George- | toolafial: It's nice eye-candy, it's just friggin' slow |
| 20:06:49 | toolafial | George- : yea, but my point is not so much the OS as the fact that my daddy didn't give me a nice trust fund |
| 20:07:15 | toolafial | I suppose I could sell all my other computers and get a mac |
| 20:07:38 | George- | toolafial: haha |
| 20:07:45 | George- | toolafial: the eMac is quite cheap |
| 20:07:45 | hunger | kergoth: I found a report that -msoft-float is up to 3 times faster (multiplication) then the kernel FPU emu. |
| 20:08:31 | kergoth | hunger: woah. if thats the case, i'm glad the toolchains i use were built for that |
| 20:08:34 | toolafial | George- : true, I noticed that other day I might have to get it to run Linux PPC on |
| 20:08:34 | kergoth | hunger: heh |
| 20:09:07 | hunger | kergoth: It said the traps necessary for the kernel FPU causes the slowdown. |
| 20:09:16 | hunger | kergoth: You use -msoft-float for all apps? |
| 20:09:54 | kergoth | hunger: when I can. what does gcc do by default? depends on how it was built right? |
| 20:10:02 | kergoth | hunger: you know the gcc builds better than i ;-) |
| 20:10:05 | hunger | kergoth: I guess so. |
| 20:10:25 | hunger | kergoth: You should be able to check the specs file. |
| 20:11:02 | treke | XavierXeon: The vnc viewer |
| 20:11:05 | killefiz | Neo|Work: the bustemdemo installs to / no matter what target I specify - is that a bug with the ipk? |
| 20:11:12 | kergoth | hunger: god i hate the specs file format. |
| 20:11:22 | hunger | kergoth: Everybody does. |
| 20:11:27 | kergoth | hunger: hehe |
| 20:11:45 | oGMo | kergoth: gcc specs? |
| 20:11:46 | oGMo | yeah |
| 20:11:53 | hunger | kergoth: I think it's the most loathed file format after senmail.cf :-) |
| 20:12:05 | oGMo | i touch it as little as possible, it's so messy |
| 20:12:13 | oGMo | HEH |
| 20:12:25 | oGMo | i'd rather play around in specs all day that have to LOOK at sendmail.cf :) |
| 20:12:59 | XavierXeon | falls asleep |
| 20:13:26 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:13:30 | kergoth | i've taken to postfix actually |
| 20:13:32 | George- | I want that Radeon 9000 Pro |
| 20:13:35 | George- | !!! |
| 20:13:35 | oGMo | hrm, i don't get what takes up so much space in the ROM, almost nothing is installed, certainly none of the really big stuff (like konq) |
| 20:13:48 | oGMo | kergoth: i'd try that |
| 20:13:56 | oGMo | except my rule with MTA's is that if it works, i don't touch it ;) |
| 20:14:07 | kergoth | oGMo: yeah you noticed eh, the sharp rom's flash is full by default remember.. but i think they fit more in the flash out of the box by defeault |
| 20:14:12 | oGMo | otoh that was mostly when postfix didn't exist |
| 20:14:13 | hunger | oGMo: coward:-) |
| 20:14:33 | oGMo | kergoth: full by default? |
| 20:14:40 | chubba | #linamsters new chan on the network ols check it out |
| 20:14:59 | oGMo | oh, you mean all 16MB is used when you take the Z out of the box |
| 20:15:01 | oGMo | yeah |
| 20:15:03 | hunger | oGMo: But you are right. I found the following sentence today: "Any computer working flawlessly is outdated and needs to be replaced." |
| 20:15:10 | oGMo | hunger: ;) |
| 20:15:23 | oGMo | hunger: i'll mess with almost anything, but MTA's have given me lots of headache in the past |
| 20:16:52 | oGMo | i'd like a browser, but ... konq is sooo big. Maybe i should have grabbed opera from the old dist ;) |
| 20:17:06 | hunger | Damn! How can www.gcc.org be the URL of the Grace Community Church?! |
| 20:17:28 | warmi_ | oGMo: you running 5500 ? |
| 20:17:29 | hunger | suspects a very evil case of domain grabbing;-) |
| 20:17:47 | oGMo | warmi_: ya |
| 20:18:07 | warmi_ | and kong is still too big ? |
| 20:18:51 | oGMo | warmi_: trying to fit all the standard apps into rom |
| 20:19:03 | warmi_ | oh . into ROM |
| 20:19:11 | oGMo | 2.9MB after the latest OZ, but it's missing much of the default functionality the sharp rom had |
| 20:19:21 | warmi_ | I thought you were talking about running it as a separate ipk |
| 20:19:32 | oGMo | no media player, browser, spreadsheet, games, etc. |
| 20:19:43 | warmi_ | JasonNJ was right ... 16 mb of ROM was not enough |
| 20:19:44 | oGMo | warmi_: well, same diff with this, it's cool ;) |
| 20:20:06 | hunger | kergoth: Ah! --nfp config option has no effect on arm! now how do I enable softfloat?! |
| 20:20:10 | George- | hmm |
| 20:20:33 | George- | wonders when ATI and nVidia will stop smashing each other's guts in the gfx card market |
| 20:20:34 | warmi_ | with 32 MB of ROM we could probably fit Mozilla + GTK crap .. |
| 20:20:35 | warmi_ | j/k |
| 20:20:44 | oGMo | warmi_: hah |
| 20:20:53 | treke | warmi_: Yes you could |
| 20:20:57 | treke | maybe minus mozilla :) |
| 20:20:59 | oGMo | mozilla takes like 40MB of ram just to run |
| 20:21:12 | oGMo | and... who wants gtk anyway *ducks* |
| 20:21:51 | warmi_ | oGMo: yeah .. gtk is evil... up there on the same evil shelf with Perl |
| 20:21:56 | warmi_ | at least for me |
| 20:22:01 | warmi_ | heh |
| 20:22:09 | oGMo | warmi_: well, gtk is below perl for me, but still i know what you mean ;) |
| 20:23:34 | oGMo | oops, probably need /etc on /mnt/ram too |
| 20:23:55 | warmi_ | George: what's wrong with ATI and nVidia going against each other |
| 20:24:09 | warmi_ | at least that will keep the prices in sane range |
| 20:25:13 | treke | oGMo: Gtk-Perl! |
| 20:25:32 | warmi_ | huh |
| 20:25:32 | George- | oooohhhh, iTunes 3 is out |
| 20:25:35 | George- | downloads it |
| 20:26:59 | oGMo | treke, fired ;) |
| 20:27:03 | oGMo | oops |
| 20:27:23 | oGMo | kergoth: minix seems to have a rather short maximum filename size limit |
| 20:27:45 | treke | I algually kinda like gtk-perl :) |
| 20:27:49 | treke | er actually |
| 20:28:04 | oGMo | treke, the api is ironically better than the C one ;) |
| 20:28:35 | treke | oGMo: makes sense, perl has a bit nicer syntax for doing oo stuff. Although I doubt its good |
| 20:28:52 | kergoth | re |
| 20:28:58 | treke | oGMo: I'd hate to ever maintain a large app in gtk/perl. Nice for quickly putting something together though |
| 20:29:07 | kergoth | had to b/s with one of our engineers for a while |
| 20:29:12 | kergoth | hunger: --nfp didnt work eh |
| 20:29:21 | oGMo | treke: yeah |
| 20:29:48 | hunger | kergoth: It's obviously not supposed to. Now, how do I turn on soft-float for the libs gcc builds? |
| 20:29:53 | treke | oGMo: who knows, maybe someone will write really really nice C++ bindings for it :) |
| 20:29:58 | hunger | kergoth: I *HATE* gcc's documentation! |
| 20:30:28 | NetAmp | l8r guys |
| 20:30:41 | warmi_ | treke: which would then turn GTK into ... you guessed it , another Qt.. so why even bother when we already have stable qt |
| 20:30:42 | warmi_ | hehe |
| 20:30:45 | oGMo | treke: you mean as opposed to gtk-- :) |
| 20:30:51 | kergoth | hunger: default is hw fp? |
| 20:30:57 | NetAmp | oh btw anyone know where to get GB[C] roms? |
| 20:30:58 | treke | oGMo: I never used gtk-- :) |
| 20:31:04 | hunger | kergoth: looks like. |
| 20:31:06 | oGMo | treke: i recommend avoiding it |
| 20:31:12 | kergoth | hunger: well shit |
| 20:31:22 | NetAmp | Pokemon runs on my Z now but I think it's a stuupid game :P |
| 20:32:21 | treke | warmi_: Except then it would be a purty gtk based qt :) |
| 20:32:29 | warmi_ | hehee |
| 20:32:58 | warmi_ | frankly, MFC is much nicer to code with than gtk .. |
| 20:33:07 | NetAmp | hm i'll find them later... |
| 20:33:09 | NetAmp | C-ya |
| 20:33:18 | warmi_ | I just don't understand that OS fascination with C based toolkits |
| 20:33:42 | warmi_ | perhaps people just don't know C++ or are afraid of it |
| 20:34:04 | oGMo | warmi_: nah... C++ has lots of baggage that is often unnecessary |
| 20:34:24 | oGMo | some people use it, some people don't |
| 20:34:28 | kergoth | nothing wrong with C toolkits, but i dont much like using c for gui's |
| 20:34:44 | warmi_ | C++ is the standard in the commercial world |
| 20:34:48 | oGMo | everything depends :) |
| 20:34:59 | warmi_ | nobody even bothers with Win32 C api in Windows world anymore |
| 20:35:08 | warmi_ | coding GUI in C is just harder |
| 20:35:11 | Harlekin | c yesterday - c++ today - who knows what will own tomorrow |
| 20:35:17 | warmi_ | and that's allt here is to it |
| 20:35:21 | BigBoss | C# :) |
| 20:35:26 | Harlekin | BigBoss: maybe |
| 20:35:32 | BigBoss | god save us |
| 20:35:37 | Harlekin | BigBoss: but way to many design buggers in there |
| 20:35:49 | oGMo | damn. device or resource busy on umount |
| 20:35:55 | Harlekin | but java 1.0 was worse |
| 20:36:12 | bealers | Hi apologies for n00b question, I have out of box 5500 and want to add routes to desktop machine |
| 20:36:19 | oGMo | warmi_: that's because C win32 sucks, not because C sucks ;) |
| 20:36:25 | bealers | hoe does one get CLI |
| 20:36:25 | warmi_ | Harleking: for GUI coding Java even now is worse than C# |
| 20:36:49 | hunger | kergoth: Ah, I found a option called --without-fp in the archive of the gcc-ML. Let's see wether that works. |
| 20:36:51 | warmi_ | oGmo: Win32 sucks as much as Motif, GTK or even Xlib does |
| 20:36:53 | oGMo | personally i wouldn't do GUI stuff in C like that either, but having the toolkit properly written in C allows for easy wrapping |
| 20:36:59 | kergoth | hunger: cool, let me know |
| 20:37:00 | warmi_ | they all work the same |
| 20:37:19 | oGMo | warmi_: nah, X is more work but better organize, gtk is a dream by comparison... win32 throws all the OS stuff in there, too |
| 20:37:26 | kergoth | i've grown fond of qt |
| 20:37:28 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:37:34 | oGMo | OS/2 was actually kinda nice... like an organized win32 |
| 20:38:06 | hunger | oGMo: gtk (and anything based on glib) is a huge mess IMHO. |
| 20:38:07 | oGMo | wants a umount --force |
| 20:38:21 | Harlekin | warmi_: depends which gui you take |
| 20:38:30 | oGMo | hunger: quite often |
| 20:38:37 | warmi_ | oGmo: nah .. I prefer Win32 than GTk .. with message crackers Win32 is much better . but that's of course ihmo |
| 20:39:05 | oGMo | warmi_: hrm, well, can't argue with opinion ;) |
| 20:39:30 | warmi_ | but that doesn't matter .. nobody uses Win32 anymore ( except MFC creators hehe) |
| 20:39:31 | hunger | oGMo: In fact I keep being amazed whenever I run a gtk-based application. They tend to work very well, considering the mess behind the scenes:-) |
| 20:39:42 | warmi_ | while gtk is presented as the toolkit of OS |
| 20:39:54 | oGMo | hunger: hehe |
| 20:40:04 | warmi_ | how pathetic is that .. the toolkit of OS community is basically incomplete Motif knockoff |
| 20:40:05 | warmi_ | hehe |
| 20:44:55 | warmi_ | . |
| 20:46:19 | Neo|Work | is back (gone 00:50:33) |
| 20:46:20 | hunger | warmi_: Ain't that fitting for the OSS community? How many good and original apps are there in the OSS scene? |
| 20:46:47 | warmi_ | hunger: hehehe .. gimp would be good if it had more sane GUI |
| 20:46:51 | hunger | is a free software-only user. |
| 20:47:10 | warmi_ | but you are right .. most of the apps are incomplete copies of commercial stuff |
| 20:47:12 | Neo|Work | wonders when the "All Games by Eon Games" list will get the updated prices. |
| 20:47:23 | hunger | warmi_: Yes, but it is basically a photoshop rewrite. |
| 20:47:32 | Neo|Work | warmi_: one major problem with C++ API's are that they are compiler dependent |
| 20:47:47 | warmi_ | I know .. but it is working and usable |
| 20:47:55 | oGMo | Neo|Work: they uh, are? ;) |
| 20:47:55 | warmi_ | Neo|Work: only on binary level |
| 20:47:57 | George- | hmm, strange |
| 20:48:01 | George- | I'm getting ~10KB/s on 56k |
| 20:48:01 | warmi_ | hehe |
| 20:48:03 | oGMo | oh, you mean the ABI |
| 20:48:08 | Neo|Work | oGMo: yes |
| 20:48:15 | hunger | warmi_: Many OSS apps are useable. But that does not make them original. |
| 20:48:19 | Neo|Work | gcc < 3.0, 3.0 and 3.1 are incompatible |
| 20:48:24 | oGMo | yeah, i think the next C++ standard is supposed to fix that |
| 20:48:34 | oGMo | ...someday ;) |
| 20:48:35 | hunger | warmi_: Without such apps, why should one switch to OSS? |
| 20:48:46 | Neo|Work | is the ABI standardized? |
| 20:49:06 | oGMo | Neo|Work: not yet |
| 20:49:26 | warmi_ | hunger: I know .. that's why I am running Windows on my desktop .. using Linux only for development and running my ipmasq,httpd/mail etc .. |
| 20:49:52 | warmi_ | it is not really C++ compiler problem but lineker problem |
| 20:50:01 | warmi_ | C++ still works with C based linekers |
| 20:50:17 | warmi_ | and there is no standard among linekers |
| 20:50:27 | warmi_ | but .. yeah , basically it ends up being C++ language problem |
| 20:50:30 | Neo|Work | that's because fhe file formats are standard |
| 20:50:51 | warmi_ | there is no C++ standard among linkers , that's what I meant |
| 20:51:17 | Neo|Work | because it's not necessary |
| 20:51:26 | warmi_ | in Windows world it doesn't matter all that much since everyone and his brother is using VC++ anyway |
| 20:51:31 | Neo|Work | at that point, the files adhere to a specific file format |
| 20:51:50 | Neo|Work | many vc++ users seems to use it as C as well |
| 20:52:12 | warmi_ | It is C/C++ compiler |
| 20:52:56 | warmi_ | altought I don't know anyone who uses it as "C" compiler .. unless people are doing basic C 101 stuff with it |
| 20:53:15 | warmi_ | even services , these days, are coded in C++ in Windows world |
| 20:53:16 | Oriumpor | gcc? |
| 20:53:46 | warmi_ | what about gcc ? |
| 20:53:55 | ljp_ | buggy.. slow |
| 20:54:02 | Oriumpor | warmi_: I got in the ass end there |
| 20:54:10 | Oriumpor | warmi_: what where you talking about |
| 20:54:17 | Neo|Work | warmi_: people write C-style code but use C-specifics, without knowing it |
| 20:54:19 | Neo|Work | with VC++ |
| 20:54:29 | warmi_ | Neo|Work what I was saying that since VC++ is so prevalent among Windows developers it doesn't really bother them that there is no ABI standard for C++ |
| 20:54:53 | Neo|Work | warmi_: well, even so, the Intel compilter plugs into VC++ and uses the same ABI |
| 20:55:18 | Neo|Work | I wonder what ABI icc for Linux adheres too |
| 20:55:21 | Neo|Work | probably gcc < 3.0 |
| 20:55:34 | warmi_ | I haven't touched MFC since 1999 or so .. maybe these days Intel had a chance |
| 20:55:39 | kergoth | hm, when i have 2.4.19 booting in OZ, i should apply the strict overcommit patch instead of enabling oom_kill |
| 20:56:01 | warmi_ | but when I was in that business Watcom C++ was dying .. so was Borland C++ compiler and VC++ was the only choice in the town |
| 20:56:23 | warmi_ | I still have Watcom C++ 10.5 or even 11 |
| 20:56:24 | warmi_ | hehe |
| 20:56:47 | toolafial | in an operating systems class I took, my teacher swore up and down that borland visual c++ was the best |
| 20:57:11 | warmi_ | toolafial: it is pretty good as far as speed . optimizations etc .. |
| 20:57:24 | Neo|Work | vc++ is actually pretty fast I think |
| 20:57:30 | toolafial | I never used it though I did all my assignments in C with gtk as the gui |
| 20:57:30 | warmi_ | might not be the most conforming to C++ standard but it works well where it coutns |
| 20:57:37 | Neo|Work | intel C++ is faster though but I believe watcom at least WAS slow |
| 20:57:57 | toolafial | needless to say I like qt better as a gui framework |
| 20:58:13 | warmi_ | watcom used to be oen of the fastests compilers around .. |
| 20:58:21 | warmi_ | back in 1994 or so |
| 20:58:48 | warmi_ | with their DOS externder and flat mode programming for DOS it was the choice compiler for game verndors |
| 20:58:55 | warmi_ | or game developers |
| 20:59:08 | warmi_ | but , of course, nobody can compete with MS |
| 20:59:24 | oGMo | woot, took a full reset but /mnt/ram is now ext2 |
| 20:59:25 | warmi_ | they can hire and throw at the project thusands of souls |
| 20:59:31 | toolafial | oh they can compete but microsoft doesn't let them |
| 21:00:17 | ljp_ | I code in QBASIC |
| 21:00:54 | George- | ljp_: wtF? |
| 21:00:59 | kergoth | growls |
| 21:01:04 | warmi_ | then you are happy man .. happilly coding away with DIMs and FORs oblivious to all this ABI crap |
| 21:01:04 | warmi_ | hehe |
| 21:01:05 | ljp_ | I wrote a wrapper to qt/e so I could write qtopia apps in QBASIC |
| 21:01:07 | kergoth | kicks the shit out of his kernel sources |
| 21:01:38 | George- | ljp_: what? |
| 21:01:39 | ljp_ | see;s bytes and bits and functions fly all over |
| 21:01:55 | ljp_ | hhehe George: kidding |
| 21:02:10 | warmi_ | hehehe |
| 21:02:19 | warmi_ | ljp: you got him interested |
| 21:02:21 | warmi_ | :-) |
| 21:02:24 | ljp_ | hahaha |
| 21:02:44 | George- | warmi_: heh, I used to do QBasic =P |
| 21:02:44 | George- | warmi_: and *gasp* Visual Basic |
| 21:03:00 | ljp_ | actually its a qt wrapper for vb |
| 21:03:00 | kergoth | wow probe_irq_on and probe_irq_off are pretty sweet |
| 21:03:06 | warmi_ | me too .. I used Vb on couple of ocassions |
| 21:03:09 | warmi_ | even VBA |
| 21:03:28 | ljp_ | but then I wrote a vb wrapper for QBASIC |
| 21:03:34 | warmi_ | DIM QMainWindow a; |
| 21:03:41 | ljp_ | hehe |
| 21:03:41 | warmi_ | that just doesn't look right |
| 21:03:42 | George- | VB sucks |
| 21:03:46 | kergoth | lol |
| 21:03:47 | Oriumpor | VB is... wierd |
| 21:03:51 | kergoth | warmi_: thats just wrong |
| 21:03:53 | George- | I last used it a few years back |
| 21:03:56 | warmi_ | yeah |
| 21:04:10 | treke | its still pretty horrid. i used it a couple weeks ago |
| 21:04:12 | treke | shudders |
| 21:04:48 | warmi_ | it is good for GUI stuff |
| 21:04:50 | Oriumpor | vb... is fun for making .... buttons |
| 21:04:51 | George- | haha |
| 21:05:00 | warmi_ | don't write too many loops and you will be fine |
| 21:05:01 | George- | I've forgotten VB, cos I haven't used it for so long |
| 21:05:07 | George- | Oriumpor: lol |
| 21:05:30 | George- | warmi_: haha |
| 21:05:37 | George- | warmi_: I remember coding timewaster loops in VB\ |
| 21:05:37 | warmi_ | actually . believe it or not .. I found Access to be one of the best GUI prototyping apps .. |
| 21:05:44 | George- | warmi_: just to slow down things a bit :) |
| 21:05:46 | oGMo | oops. |
| 21:05:50 | Neo|Work | so what Zaurus news sites are there? |
| 21:05:50 | treke | hehe. I switched to it when a really ugly X11 app stopped working on me, and I needed a replacement in 10 minutes :) |
| 21:05:54 | | i think zsi is http://killefiz.de/zaurus/ |
| 21:05:54 | Neo|Work | ibot zsi |
| 21:05:54 | Oriumpor | warmi_: Button_fiftyfive.click(while(true)) |
| 21:05:59 | warmi_ | hehehe |
| 21:06:11 | Oriumpor | warmi_: let that run a while |
| 21:06:12 | Oriumpor | lol |
| 21:06:14 | warmi_ | there are no zaurus news sites |
| 21:06:22 | kergoth | oh shit |
| 21:06:23 | treke | man xlib is fricken ugly |
| 21:06:24 | kergoth | shoots self |
| 21:06:27 | | Oriumpor: excuse me? |
| 21:06:27 | Oriumpor | ibot statistics |
| 21:06:32 | | Since Mon Jul 15 23:58:12 2002, there have been 124 modifications and 289 questions. I have been awake for 2 days, 22 hours, 8 minutes, 20 seconds this session, and currently reference 6615 factoids. Addressing is in require mode. |
| 21:06:32 | Oriumpor | ibot stats |
| 21:07:11 | warmi_ | treke: which parts ? drawing primitives or events etc ? |
| 21:07:14 | | ljp_: huh? |
| 21:07:14 | ljp_ | ibot: print all factoids |
| 21:07:27 | George- | Neo|Work: zaurus.loveslinux.com |
| 21:07:29 | warmi_ | ljp: you want to kill this channel ?? |
| 21:07:33 | ljp_ | hehehe |
| 21:07:33 | scribe | hey guys, what's the coolest developer setup to compile on linux x86 for the Z? |
| 21:07:37 | treke | warmi_: I wasnt doing any drawing, just interecting with events |
| 21:07:45 | George- | ljp_: haha, that's a LOT of factoids :) |
| 21:07:47 | warmi_ | treke: yeah .. that part os ugly |
| 21:07:50 | warmi_ | is even |
| 21:07:54 | Oriumpor | scribe: wine vbstartup.exe |
| 21:07:56 | treke | scribe: You see the new developer contest? |
| 21:08:06 | treke | scribe: qpesword looks like a good entry for it |
| 21:08:07 | ljp_ | thay announced it? |
| 21:08:31 | George- | treke: new developer contest? |
| 21:08:32 | scribe | treke: :) |
| 21:08:33 | treke | ljp_: Dont know about that, but it made it in channel :: |
| 21:08:47 | scribe | are you serious or joking because I whined so much! |
| 21:08:48 | ljp_ | ohh.. heh |
| 21:08:51 | warmi_ | I wrote Xlib based window manager selector back in 1998 .. I looked at the code recently .. Xlib is UGLY !! |
| 21:08:51 | treke | scribe: bible and concordance reader was specifically listed as one of the approved apps |
| 21:08:56 | Neo|Work | George-: yeah, know of that one |
| 21:09:26 | scribe | treke: :) cooool. Where's the info? |
| 21:09:39 | scribe | I was going to update it with our latest libs |
| 21:09:57 | scribe | but don't know if I have a current build environment for the Z. |
| 21:10:03 | scribe | Is everything still the same? |
| 21:10:12 | ljp_ | bbl |
| 21:10:12 | treke | http://www.zaurus.com/dev/challenge/ |
| 21:10:14 | warmi_ | scribe: yeah .. same old crap |
| 21:10:16 | scribe | can I still compile for opie on my ipaq and expect it to run on the Z? |
| 21:10:17 | warmi_ | heh |
| 21:11:06 | treke | what I dont quite get is the prize system. It looks like every submission gets a Z, is there any form of further judging? |
| 21:11:22 | warmi_ | yeah .. that is strange |
| 21:11:39 | George- | yessss |
| 21:11:45 | George- | the WarCraft III cheats have been released wahoo |
| 21:11:46 | warmi_ | theoretically, after submiting beta and getting the Zaurus there is no incentive to finish the app |
| 21:11:49 | treke | Not that i wouldnt mind a Z. could sell it, or maybe donate it to eongames for opie testing :) |
| 21:11:50 | George- | heh |
| 21:12:06 | kergoth | ahahahahahaha fuck |
| 21:12:08 | kergoth | stupid me |
| 21:12:11 | kergoth | smacks forehead |
| 21:12:19 | Neo|Work | treke: yes yes. Let me know how I can assist you. :-)) |
| 21:12:21 | warmi_ | uh that's nice .. |
| 21:12:41 | warmi_ | acording to /. /// somebody is know trying to do to jpeg what unisys did to gif |
| 21:12:47 | warmi_ | uh .. that would be something |
| 21:12:57 | kergoth | I think I finally figured out why I cant seem to be able to erase blocks on the flash |
| 21:12:58 | kergoth | :-) |
| 21:13:07 | George- | yep |
| 21:13:12 | kergoth | woo ho |
| 21:13:12 | George- | I'm gonna join that contest :) |
| 21:13:19 | Neo|Work | warmi_: you gotta be kidding me? Oh well, PNG is nice but man imagine RocketElite without jpeg |
| 21:13:29 | warmi_ | http://slashdot.org/articles/02/07/18/157217.shtml?tid=155 |
| 21:13:34 | warmi_ | judge it for yourself |
| 21:13:50 | George- | hmm |
| 21:13:54 | George- | LOL |
| 21:14:00 | warmi_ | George: what app are you going for ? |
| 21:14:34 | George- | monopoly type app |
| 21:14:37 | George- | I'll just write a monop app |
| 21:14:42 | George- | ;) |
| 21:14:46 | George- | and make it commercial :) |
| 21:14:50 | warmi_ | just port one of the GTK or KDe apps |
| 21:14:53 | Neo|Work | warmi_: man, this will be interesting |
| 21:14:55 | warmi_ | there are monopoly type games |
| 21:15:02 | George- | warmi_: KMonop |
| 21:15:02 | George- | er.. |
| 21:15:04 | George- | *atlantik |
| 21:15:06 | warmi_ | Neo|Work: yeah I know .. |
| 21:15:09 | Neo|Work | are there any other, royalty free jpeg-like compression algorithms? |
| 21:15:14 | scribe | treke, warmi_: thanks for the info! Now gotta learn about packaging better for the Z |
| 21:15:19 | George- | 1st person flight simulator? ON A Z? HAHAHA |
| 21:15:20 | warmi_ | none that I know of |
| 21:15:22 | Neo|Work | meaning PNG replaces GIF just fine but can't come close to the JPEG arena |
| 21:15:22 | Oriumpor | whatever happened to openzaurus.org? |
| 21:15:42 | treke | scribe: You've got plenty of time, and thats pretty easy :) |
| 21:15:42 | warmi_ | george: I have fm games on my Z-80 based MSX machines |
| 21:15:52 | George- | Multiplayer RTS? |
| 21:15:56 | treke | scribe: You could probably sign up and send scribe in today :) |
| 21:16:04 | George- | warmi_: yeh, but the screen size... |
| 21:16:17 | treke | scribe: btw, it's a great app that I dont use nearly enough |
| 21:16:20 | warmi_ | george: my MSX box had 320x200 just like Z |
| 21:16:26 | George- | warmi_: It's just too small for a flight sim - the flight controls would take up the entire screen |
| 21:16:40 | George- | hmm, the sims type game |
| 21:16:42 | warmi_ | of course this potential fs won't be able to compete against MS Flight Simulator |
| 21:16:42 | warmi_ | heeh |
| 21:16:48 | George- | wtf, do they expect us to code day and night? :) |
| 21:16:56 | warmi_ | George: why ? |
| 21:17:04 | George- | GASP you mentioned M$ |
| 21:17:20 | warmi_ | George: mentioned ? |
| 21:17:23 | warmi_ | I work for MS |
| 21:17:27 | George- | warmi_: well, it's gonna be pretty tough for 1 developer to code a flight sim in the amount of time given |
| 21:17:28 | warmi_ | just kidding |
| 21:17:35 | treke | haha. You can send them a screen shot as proof of beta |
| 21:17:41 | kergoth | lol |
| 21:17:44 | Oriumpor | anyone know? |
| 21:17:52 | warmi_ | treke: whardier will be in demand ... |
| 21:17:53 | warmi_ | hehe |
| 21:18:03 | George- | treke: can you? |
| 21:18:20 | treke | George-: Thats what the very unstrictly defined rules say |
| 21:18:31 | warmi_ | I doubt this will stand |
| 21:18:34 | George- | haha |
| 21:18:44 | George- | it's not as professional as the TT one? :) |
| 21:18:47 | warmi_ | come on .. I could make Quake style screenshot in no time :-) |
| 21:18:49 | George- | warmi_: hmm? |
| 21:18:57 | treke | Now that I read it, it looks like sharp is just trying to clear stock on 5000ds |
| 21:19:03 | warmi_ | the rule about sending in screenshots |
| 21:19:07 | warmi_ | and gettign Zs back |
| 21:19:12 | George- | warmi_: haha |
| 21:19:21 | warmi_ | treke: of course they do |
| 21:19:33 | scribe | treke: thanks. still kinda buggy in some areas, but this engine update should fix a few things |
| 21:19:33 | warmi_ | fine with me though .... |
| 21:19:36 | George- | don't they want 5000D's? |
| 21:19:39 | George- | heh |
| 21:19:41 | | contest is http://www.zaurus.com/dev/challenge/ |
| 21:19:41 | Neo|Work | ibot contest |
| 21:19:41 | Oriumpor | warmi_: vncserver -geometry 240x320 :4 |
| 21:19:48 | scribe | yeah, what's a 5000d? |
| 21:19:51 | warmi_ | all these guys who wanted to get their own 5000 will have a chance now |
| 21:19:52 | George- | What would I do with yet another 5000D? :) |
| 21:19:52 | Oriumpor | warmi_: q3a |
| 21:20:00 | Oriumpor | captures a screenshot |
| 21:20:21 | warmi_ | George: I would love to have one to test OPIE/OZ stuff |
| 21:20:34 | warmi_ | but I am going to buy either 5500 or 5600 anyway |
| 21:20:45 | Oriumpor | when's release on the 5.6k? |
| 21:20:46 | Neo|Work | they really do have some steep game requests there |
| 21:21:11 | warmi_ | Oriumpor: "somtime this year" |
| 21:21:20 | Oriumpor | frowns |
| 21:21:21 | scribe | any idea about integrated bluetooth, yet? |
| 21:21:45 | Oriumpor | scribe: i hope not... my spectrum is messed up enough... I'm already losing hair on the backs of my hands |
| 21:22:05 | Oriumpor | that... and the whole battery time thing |
| 21:22:21 | scribe | Oriumpor: :) what are you talking about? :) |
| 21:22:40 | George- | 5600? |
| 21:22:47 | George- | warmi_: a 5600 Zaurus? |
| 21:22:50 | warmi_ | I am gonna ask some tough questions on OPIE ML tonight |
| 21:22:56 | | no idea, george- |
| 21:22:56 | George- | ibot zaurus sl5600? |
| 21:22:57 | kergoth | warmi_: good |
| 21:23:05 | scribe | I have a cell phone that has integrated bluetooth that I leave ON and it still has standby time of over 2 days |
| 21:23:21 | Oriumpor | scribe: do you use the BT at all? |
| 21:23:52 | warmi_ | George: acording to JasonNJ, that is |
| 21:24:03 | Oriumpor | warmi_: and the cnet news article : P |
| 21:24:09 | scribe | to connect with my laptop, but haven't played around with it. But I've accidentally left it on 'discoverable' and it really doesn't use much battery up. |
| 21:24:11 | Oriumpor | so there must be a press release somewhere |
| 21:24:27 | warmi_ | Oriumpor: yeah, that too |
| 21:24:39 | George- | oh rite |
| 21:24:50 | George- | did he say anything else? |
| 21:24:51 | George- | like specs? |
| 21:25:04 | George- | is it gonna be an Xscale 400 ? |
| 21:25:08 | warmi_ | I am just worryuing that given recent problems with BB and slow sales .. SHarp will again give up on US/European markets and concentrate on their Japanese market share |
| 21:25:28 | warmi_ | George: yeah XScale |
| 21:25:37 | George- | hmm |
| 21:25:41 | George- | cool |
| 21:25:44 | Oriumpor | warmi_: I wouldn't blame em... we complain too much, and expect more lifetime out of our hardware. |
| 21:25:45 | George- | I could sell a 5000D and get a 5600 :) |
| 21:25:51 | George- | haha |
| 21:25:57 | George- | some idiot on ebay would prolly pay 500 quid for a 5000D =P |
| 21:26:15 | Oriumpor | George-: no... idiots on ebay pay 250USD for 5kd's |
| 21:26:16 | warmi_ | Oriumpor: but they need to understand that nither Palm OS nor PPC was an overnight sucess |
| 21:26:36 | Oriumpor | heh... the Palm Pro had a fan |
| 21:26:36 | warmi_ | both of them worked hard and long to attain this kind of market penetrations .. especially MS did |
| 21:26:39 | George- | Oriumpor: heh, I payed 300 USD for a 5000D a few months ago |
| 21:27:12 | George- | Oriumpor: But I do live in the UK, where the 5500 has hit for 500 pounds (that is more like 650 USD) |
| 21:27:14 | George- | I could prolly flog my 5000D here for a lot more =P |
| 21:27:43 | Oriumpor | George-: what is the reason behind that?... you pay for the pounds symbol? |
| 21:27:56 | George- | Oriumpor: I'm not sure |
| 21:28:08 | George- | Oriumpor: Here, in England, everything is very expensive |
| 21:28:10 | hunger | Oriumpor: Live is very expensive in the UK. |
| 21:28:14 | George- | Oriumpor: That's why I got my Z in the US |
| 21:28:27 | Oriumpor | So I've heard |
| 21:28:35 | George- | hell, my tiBook cost nearly 4k USD I think |
| 21:28:40 | George- | 3k GBP |
| 21:28:47 | Oriumpor | ack |
| 21:28:53 | Oriumpor | don't buy anything |
| 21:29:00 | George- | hehe |
| 21:29:00 | Oriumpor | send all your money to the states |
| 21:29:05 | George- | it's all the tax |
| 21:29:10 | George- | VAT is 17.5% |
| 21:29:17 | George- | blah |
| 21:29:51 | hunger | Oriumpor: I don't want to support the US economy. |
| 21:30:03 | Oriumpor | hunger: then don't buy anything |
| 21:30:15 | hunger | Oriumpor: One of the reasons to stay MS free. |
| 21:30:15 | Oriumpor | I'm sure some screw in your tv came from some plant in detroit : P |
| 21:30:30 | hunger | Oriumpor: I doubt that. |
| 21:30:50 | hunger | Oriumpor: We don't have those silly inches here. |
| 21:31:09 | Oriumpor | where you think we got em from in the first place? |
| 21:31:14 | Oriumpor | :P |
| 21:31:30 | hunger | Oriumpor: Not from us:-) |
| 21:31:51 | hunger | Oriumpor: Maybe from the UK, but even they have switched for a while now. |
| 21:32:21 | Oriumpor | true enough |
| 21:32:56 | hunger | Oriumpor: Well, at least you drive on the right side of the road in the US. I wonder how that happened. |
| 21:34:14 | kergoth | boy you guys are right on topic |
| 21:34:15 | kergoth | :-P |
| 21:34:25 | Oriumpor | yeah... how bout that zaurus |
| 21:34:36 | Oriumpor | :P |
| 21:35:01 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:35:32 | Oriumpor | ... no bootflag.txt anymore? |
| 21:35:34 | kergoth | I was fucking up big time. trying to access a chip without providing the clock that was necessary to use the interface to it |
| 21:35:35 | Neo|Work | sharp rather give them away and possibly get some good stuff in return rather than trying to sell them (which they probably can't) |
| 21:35:39 | kergoth | Oriumpor: echo OZ30 > bootflag.txt |
| 21:37:17 | George- | right |
| 21:37:20 | warmi_ | Suns FORGE IDE for Java requires minimum 512 MB ram to run on X86 .. that just fucking insane |
| 21:37:22 | George- | I'm off |
| 21:37:36 | kergoth | warmi_: shit |
| 21:37:38 | George- | warmi_: haha |
| 21:37:49 | Oriumpor | ... heh... |
| 21:37:58 | Oriumpor | 512mb ... it better be a book better than quake |
| 21:38:14 | George- | heh |
| 21:38:19 | George- | I have 512MB =P |
| 21:38:23 | George- | (but on PPC) |
| 21:38:39 | George- | ok |
| 21:38:40 | George- | g'bye all |
| 21:38:41 | George- | I'm off |
| 21:39:25 | warmi_ | we are evaluating Java IDEs for our development team |
| 21:39:39 | warmi_ | most of the JAva based IDE suck .. |
| 21:39:58 | Oriumpor | blueJ? |
| 21:40:01 | warmi_ | I think Metrowerks CodeWarrior looks good |
| 21:40:12 | Neo|Work | is trying to understand IBM Websphere |
| 21:40:40 | warmi_ | if not that we are just gonna settle on Microsft VS IDE ( we already have it ) and just plug in Suns JDK |
| 21:40:42 | Oriumpor | Neo|Work: that was on alt.binaries.warez.linux a while back, thought about it... but isn't it huge?? |
| 21:41:02 | warmi_ | alt.binaries.warez.linux ??/ wtf ? |
| 21:41:08 | warmi_ | is there such thing ? |
| 21:41:09 | Neo|Work | Oriumpor: I have like 50 CD's on my desk... |
| 21:41:10 | Oriumpor | yes |
| 21:41:16 | warmi_ | warezed Gimp ? |
| 21:41:19 | warmi_ | please .. |
| 21:41:24 | warmi_ | :-) |
| 21:41:26 | Oriumpor | warezed lotta stuff |
| 21:41:38 | Neo|Work | there's quite a few commercial games and products for Linux |
| 21:41:52 | warmi_ | so I just paid 100 for AcceleratedX + another 200 for SlickEdit IDE |
| 21:42:04 | warmi_ | and now you are telling me there is warez market for the Linux |
| 21:42:39 | warmi_ | :-) |
| 21:42:43 | Oriumpor | warmi_: lemme do a pull of the tree |
| 21:43:09 | warmi_ | I wonder if tkeKompany stuf can be found on that "tree" |
| 21:43:10 | warmi_ | hjehehe |
| 21:43:15 | warmi_ | BB wouldn't be too happy |
| 21:43:51 | oGMo | hum |
| 21:44:22 | Neo|Work | wtf. I just added Candy Cruncher to zsi and it came with some wrong screenshot with an amiga ball.. |
| 21:44:24 | warmi_ | btw .. we just bought like 10 SQL editors for our team from thekompany |
| 21:44:25 | warmi_ | hehe |
| 21:44:31 | Neo|Work | http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=329 |
| 21:45:02 | warmi_ | that's screenshot for alternative startup screens |
| 21:45:07 | warmi_ | there is a package like that on zsi |
| 21:45:16 | Oriumpor | tribes 2 linux-crossfire, reView.3.2.4, MENTOR>GRAPHICS.HDL |
| 21:45:29 | Oriumpor | Netmax, Oxygen.XML |
| 21:45:37 | Oriumpor | VMWARE GSX SERVER |
| 21:45:42 | warmi_ | your app Neo somehow got mixed up with this one |
| 21:45:46 | warmi_ | http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=325 |
| 21:46:07 | Oriumpor | Matlab |
| 21:46:44 | warmi_ | hehe |
| 21:46:55 | Oriumpor | Gemini Unified Dataminig |
| 21:47:02 | Oriumpor | tons of stuff |
| 21:47:20 | warmi_ | I need VMware for Windows to run Linux on it |
| 21:47:29 | warmi_ | it jsut friggin costs too much .. |
| 21:47:36 | warmi_ | $300 bucks ? |
| 21:47:45 | warmi_ | I could buy a small ADM machine for that |
| 21:48:38 | warmi_ | I am just gonna have to visit Warez channels |
| 21:48:49 | Neo|Work | warmi_: so it seems |
| 21:48:56 | warmi_ | I would buy VMWare if they were selling it for $100 or so |
| 21:49:02 | warmi_ | but not fucking $300 |
| 21:49:16 | Oriumpor | It's not the greatest |
| 21:49:18 | Oriumpor | honestly : P |
| 21:49:28 | warmi_ | what's not the greatest ? |
| 21:49:30 | Oriumpor | on a dualy 1 ghz w/tons of ram... it's still slow |
| 21:49:36 | Neo|Work | vmware is quite nice |
| 21:49:42 | treke | warmi_: They might still be doing the home user pricing |
| 21:49:48 | Neo|Work | I use it for a "blessed" build box for Linux desktop builds of say Candy Cruncher. :) |
| 21:49:51 | warmi_ | I used to run Linux back on 400 MHZ machien and it run fine |
| 21:50:09 | warmi_ | Neo|Work: did you pay $300 for that ? |
| 21:50:13 | warmi_ | man |
| 21:50:17 | Neo|Work | warmi_: I believe I paid less |
| 21:50:25 | Neo|Work | don't remember exactly |
| 21:50:29 | warmi_ | I thought I saw $300 on their site |
| 21:50:31 | Neo|Work | they have had deals and upgrade deals and stuff |
| 21:50:38 | warmi_ | maybe there are some deals and stuff |
| 21:50:46 | Neo|Work | there HAS been |
| 21:50:59 | Neo|Work | but if you count upgrades it might be up around there |
| 21:51:10 | treke | It was at one point $149 for home users/hobbyists |
| 21:51:22 | Neo|Work | yeah, sounds about right |
| 21:51:32 | Neo|Work | but I've bought upgrades since so |
| 21:51:33 | warmi_ | fuck it .. if I can't find it for arond $100/150 I will look for warez copy or something |
| 21:51:34 | warmi_ | hehe |
| 21:51:35 | treke | of course, its really easy to find a serial number for it :) |
| 21:52:30 | treke | they dumped that pricing though :( |
| 21:52:50 | Neo|Work | seems like they don't have any special pricing anymore |
| 21:52:59 | treke | just bulk and educational |
| 21:53:23 | Neo|Work | holy fuck the server versions are expensive |
| 21:54:15 | warmi_ | yeah, I got scared too |
| 21:54:29 | warmi_ | I am not going to pay this kind of money |
| 21:54:59 | warmi_ | I would rather get another 1 GHZ athlon for $300 |
| 21:55:20 | Neo|Work | for $300 you really can get a decent secondary computer yes |
| 21:55:24 | warmi_ | yeah |
| 21:55:28 | warmi_ | they are nuts |
| 21:55:35 | Neo|Work | they aren't following with the times |
| 21:56:16 | Neo|Work | but then again with vmware you can more easily run different OS's, and not to mention handle system restoration a lot easier |
| 21:56:35 | kergoth | bah thats what grub and tar are for |
| 21:56:36 | kergoth | ;l-) |
| 21:56:42 | warmi_ | yeah .. one thing I likw about is that I can have Linux running in a friggin window !! |
| 21:56:47 | kergoth | s/;l/;/ |
| 21:56:49 | warmi_ | that's just too cool |
| 21:56:53 | kergoth | use cygwin |
| 21:56:54 | kergoth | :-) |
| 21:57:03 | | time is Einstein said time is relativ |
| 21:57:03 | toolafial | ibot: time |
| 21:57:09 | | i heard time was Einstein said time is relativ |
| 21:57:09 | toolafial | ibot: time |
| 21:57:09 | | kergoth: I forgot time |
| 21:57:09 | kergoth | ibot: forget time |
| 21:57:23 | Oriumpor | The server version is on a.b.warez.linux |
| 21:57:25 | Oriumpor | gsx |
| 21:57:29 | warmi_ | cygwin is to VMware like rubber "girl" to a real one |
| 21:57:31 | | OK, kergoth. |
| 21:57:31 | kergoth | ibot: time is <reply> Einstein said time is relative. |
| 21:57:35 | | Einstein said time is relative. |
| 21:57:35 | kergoth | ibot: time? |
| 21:57:37 | warmi_ | or something like that |
| 21:57:43 | kergoth | warmi_: hah |
| 21:57:49 | toolafial | :$ |
| 21:57:53 | kergoth | warmi_: cygwin is linux apps without linux. but at least its fast. |
| 21:58:20 | warmi_ | it cannot run Qtopia /arm /gcc stuff so it is useless for me |
| 21:58:35 | kergoth | warmi_: we havent proven that it cant be done.. just no one has done it |
| 21:58:37 | Oriumpor | I never thought of that... |
| 21:58:39 | treke | vmwaare is actually pretty speedy unless you try using X |
| 21:58:40 | kergoth | warmi_: I still want to play with that :-) |
| 21:58:55 | Oriumpor | can vmware run arm processor emu? |
| 21:59:01 | treke | Oriumpor: no |
| 21:59:04 | warmi_ | yeah .. that's my point .. I would rather spent time writing my own code then trying to figure out how to set up my dev enviroment |
| 21:59:04 | Oriumpor | doh |
| 21:59:05 | warmi_ | hehe |
| 21:59:21 | treke | Oriumpor: VMware doesnt do full cpu emulation |
| 21:59:31 | warmi_ | anyway .. train tiem |
| 21:59:33 | warmi_ | time |
| 21:59:35 | warmi_ | see you later |
| 21:59:38 | Oriumpor | adios |
| 21:59:43 | Oriumpor | hrm |
| 22:00:00 | ][N-Flux | is back (gone 22:40:03) |
| 22:00:12 | Oriumpor | virtualPC maybe? |
| 22:00:24 | treke | Oriumpor: nope. That does x86 emulation :) |
| 22:00:40 | Neo|Work | vmware doesn't do cpu emulation at all |
| 22:00:44 | treke | you'd have to find an arm emulator |
| 22:00:51 | Neo|Work | emulates the devices and stuff yes, but the CPU no |
| 22:00:58 | Oriumpor | hrm |
| 22:01:02 | Neo|Work | that is the benefit AND drawback of vmware I guess |
| 22:01:08 | treke | Neo|Work: my understanding is it emulated some of the cpu |
| 22:01:22 | Neo|Work | benefit == quite fast, pure CPU wise, drawback = runs on x86 onlly |
| 22:01:30 | Neo|Work | treke: possibly but not much if that is the case |
| 22:01:59 | treke | yeah, it wasnt much of it. |
| 22:02:41 | kergoth | hmm I THINK i have the locomo chip initialized.. if thats the case, i might just have the flash erasing working soon |
| 22:03:15 | Oriumpor | anyone use linuxfromscratch? |
| 22:03:38 | kergoth | re Cloudchaser |
| 22:03:43 | Oriumpor | Cloudchaser: howdy |
| 22:03:50 | Oriumpor | you liking pengi? |
| 22:03:55 | Cloudchaser | hiya |
| 22:04:00 | kergoth | Oriumpor: she removed it due to sync problems |
| 22:04:03 | Cloudchaser | i had to revert ;( |
| 22:04:12 | Oriumpor | nooo! we lost another one |
| 22:04:15 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:04:19 | Cloudchaser | going away in a few days and had stuff to take care of |
| 22:04:21 | treke | was kinda disappointed :) |
| 22:04:23 | whardier | http://segfault.bogomip.com/puresex.pdf |
| 22:04:25 | Cloudchaser | didn't lose me |
| 22:04:26 | whardier | can you all proof that? |
| 22:04:28 | kergoth | Oriumpor: opie cant sync atm due to a patch having been applied sooner than it shouldve |
| 22:04:38 | Cloudchaser | i'll try it again |
| 22:04:41 | Harlekin | kergoth: no |
| 22:04:44 | kergoth | whardier: any doc called puresex.pdf doesnt get read by me at work i'm afraid |
| 22:04:45 | Cloudchaser | i liked what little i saw of it |
| 22:04:50 | Harlekin | kergoth: too major backdoors are 2 to much |
| 22:04:55 | kergoth | Harlekin: you mean qtopia 1.5.1 is available then? |
| 22:05:07 | whardier | kergoth its my vasi brochure |
| 22:05:08 | Harlekin | kergoth: is sharp likes that really really serious security flaws |
| 22:05:14 | whardier | please proof it :) |
| 22:05:17 | Harlekin | kergoth: its their problem |
| 22:05:18 | kergoth | Harlekin: yeah its so secure it breaks basic user functionality |
| 22:05:20 | Oriumpor | Harlekin: heh... IIS didn't think so |
| 22:05:39 | Harlekin | kergoth: and if they dont care and want more bad press |
| 22:05:43 | kergoth | Harlekin: wrong, as the creator of a distribution, i have to provide functionality to my users. i'll hae to back out the patch so they can sync until trolltech gets their act together. |
| 22:05:52 | Harlekin | it will take longer until syncing will work again |
| 22:05:57 | kergoth | Harlekin: yeah trolltech and sharp are fucking up, blah blah blah |
| 22:06:06 | Harlekin | kergoth: have to major backdoors is not a feature |
| 22:06:09 | kergoth | Harlekin: the fact is, I'm not going to leave syncing broken. its key functionality. |
| 22:06:21 | Harlekin | kergoth: so put it into your OZ version |
| 22:06:34 | kergoth | Harlekin: i am. thats what i said, i'm reverting the patch for OZ until TT gets their shit together. |
| 22:06:41 | Harlekin | yeah |
| 22:06:54 | kergoth | Harlekin: i agree the patch was good, i just think we might've waited until sync software that worked with it was out |
| 22:07:02 | Harlekin | i can sync |
| 22:07:03 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 22:07:12 | kergoth | Harlekin: scp doesnt count ;-) |
| 22:07:18 | Harlekin | kergoth: kitchensync |
| 22:07:18 | Oriumpor | the sync software is horrible |
| 22:07:23 | kergoth | Harlekin: bah you know what i mean :-) |
| 22:07:29 | kergoth | Harlekin: users want their outlook |
| 22:07:30 | Harlekin | kergoth: .-) |
| 22:07:36 | Harlekin | kergoth: yeah, but still, its sharps fault |
| 22:07:38 | Oriumpor | kergoth: evolution :P |
| 22:07:52 | kergoth | Harlekin: personally, i dont use syncing, I use scp for files and vnc for entering data on the Z |
| 22:07:55 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:08:02 | Harlekin | Oriumpor: which is ewven worse then outlook |
| 22:08:13 | Oriumpor | Harlekin: It's much prettier |
| 22:08:26 | kergoth | Harlekin: yes, sharp/trolltech left it insecure in the first place, they fucked up. |
| 22:08:28 | kergoth | Oriumpor: than what? |
| 22:08:38 | kergoth | I like kmail myself. |
| 22:08:43 | kergoth | though its got some .. quirks |
| 22:08:47 | kergoth | so does evo |
| 22:08:58 | ciaolinux | what kind of mail software does zaurus have? |
| 22:09:00 | Harlekin | kergoth: they point is, as soon as they fix it, they will need new syncing software too |
| 22:09:02 | Oriumpor | kergoth: I hate the "you have mail" dialog in kmail |
| 22:09:16 | kergoth | Harlekin: yes |
| 22:09:19 | kergoth | Oriumpor: lol |
| 22:09:45 | Oriumpor | kergoth: if you leave it there and start trying to do stuff in the mail session, it won't let you click on anything! |
| 22:09:49 | Oriumpor | :P |
| 22:09:49 | kergoth | Harlekin: which is why they shouldve done it right in the first place. then they wouldnt have compatibility problems. |
| 22:10:10 | Oriumpor | what about a wrappre? |
| 22:10:14 | Oriumpor | er wrapper |
| 22:10:33 | Harlekin | kergoth: theres more really bad press coming up |
| 22:10:38 | Harlekin | kergoth: maybe that will speed the process |
| 22:10:42 | kergoth | Harlekin: I'm not surprised. |
| 22:10:45 | kergoth | Harlekin: hopefully. |
| 22:10:46 | ciaolinux | what kind of mail software does zaurus have? |
| 22:10:56 | Cloudchaser | crappy mail |
| 22:11:00 | kergoth | ciaolinux: asking the same question more than once wont make your answer come faster |
| 22:11:01 | kergoth | :-P |
| 22:11:17 | Oriumpor | kergoth: yes... like... how do I clean up bad sectors on my CF card :P |
| 22:11:29 | Oriumpor | i've asked that like... 50 billion times |
| 22:11:35 | kergoth | with fsck of course |
| 22:11:40 | Oriumpor | and don't tell me fsck.msdos! |
| 22:11:42 | kergoth | fsck.[fstype] /dev/hda1 |
| 22:11:44 | Oriumpor | cause that just makes it worse |
| 22:11:49 | Oriumpor | :P |
| 22:11:53 | kergoth | heh, well there's no other solution |
| 22:11:54 | Oriumpor | crummy cheap cf cards |
| 22:11:58 | kergoth | dont run fsck while its mounted rw |
| 22:12:46 | Oriumpor | oh crud |
| 22:13:07 | kergoth | Harlekin: in the future, when we break compatibility with something (regardless of whose fault it is) we really need to email the mailing list regarding the behavior change. |
| 22:13:42 | Oriumpor | how big is tcpwrapper? |
| 22:13:46 | Oriumpor | tcpdaemon? |
| 22:13:55 | Oriumpor | in memory mostly |
| 22:13:59 | kergoth | Oriumpor: dunno. why? |
| 22:14:13 | Oriumpor | kergoth: it would be a shortcut to most of the issues |
| 22:14:13 | kergoth | Oriumpor: wont solve the problem. opie can already block based on ip/mask |
| 22:14:32 | kergoth | Oriumpor: the problem is the ability to login as root without a password even if the root user has a password set. |
| 22:14:43 | Oriumpor | kergoth: you mean ssh? |
| 22:15:35 | Oriumpor | cause you can login to the terminal locally, and if you ran passwd it forces you to enter in the password |
| 22:15:42 | kergoth | Oriumpor: no |
| 22:15:46 | Oriumpor | no? |
| 22:15:51 | kergoth | Oriumpor: I'm referring to the ftp port and sync port |
| 22:15:55 | kergoth | Oriumpor: 4242 and 4243. |
| 22:15:57 | Oriumpor | ack |
| 22:15:58 | Cloudchaser | hmm just reading the sharp developer challenge |
| 22:16:00 | kergoth | Oriumpor: they have the issues. |
| 22:16:05 | Oriumpor | ok nm |
| 22:16:06 | Cloudchaser | whats wrong with the vnc viewer? |
| 22:16:16 | treke | Cloudchaser: its very finicky |
| 22:16:18 | Oriumpor | it's got some wierdness |
| 22:16:28 | Cloudchaser | ah it works greaet for me ;) |
| 22:16:31 | Oriumpor | treke <-fixed the defaults so it works most of the time |
| 22:16:33 | treke | I've run into some servers it wont work with |
| 22:16:42 | Cloudchaser | ah treke |
| 22:17:00 | treke | it would also be nice if the vncviewer did scaling |
| 22:17:02 | Cloudchaser | so who's joining the challenge? |
| 22:17:07 | Cloudchaser | yes it wouldl treke |
| 22:17:15 | Oriumpor | treke: isn't it a processor hog to do that sorta thing? |
| 22:17:43 | treke | Oriumpor: doubtful. most computers have rather beefy cpus :) |
| 22:18:04 | Cloudchaser | ooh i'd like to do a database |
| 22:18:05 | Oriumpor | you mean get the server to spit out scaled displays? |
| 22:18:10 | treke | sure |
| 22:18:35 | Oriumpor | hrm |
| 22:18:46 | Oriumpor | altiris does that (remotedesktop) |
| 22:18:51 | treke | so does vnc :) |
| 22:18:56 | Oriumpor | hrm |
| 22:19:16 | treke | or at least some versions of vnc do it |
| 22:19:37 | Oriumpor | it would be nice |
| 22:19:55 | Oriumpor | what about an rdesktop port? |
| 22:19:57 | Oriumpor | that would be sweet |
| 22:20:12 | treke | Oriumpor: Sign up and say you want to port rdesktop :) |
| 22:20:30 | Oriumpor | treke: i'd get as far as signing up :P |
| 22:20:41 | treke | hopes to get farther |
| 22:20:59 | Oriumpor | rdesktop is buggy even in x86 : / |
| 22:21:03 | Neo|Work | what the fucking hell! |
| 22:21:20 | Oriumpor | Neo|Work: I didn't do it |
| 22:21:26 | kergoth | Oriumpor: liar |
| 22:21:34 | Oriumpor | I swear... I been here the whole time |
| 22:21:43 | kergoth | thats not what i heard |
| 22:21:49 | Oriumpor | who said? |
| 22:21:54 | Neo|Work | what the hell is up with my listings at Handango now? it's confused as to whether it should be cheap or not |
| 22:21:56 | Neo|Work | darn it |
| 22:22:01 | Mickey0 | ljp: ping |
| 22:22:06 | kergoth | heheh |
| 22:22:06 | treke | Neo|Work: what do you mean? |
| 22:22:41 | Neo|Work | I just went qand looked and it was 19.99 and not it's 6.99 again |
| 22:22:44 | Neo|Work | like weird |
| 22:24:04 | Cloudchaser | ohh youhave to use qtopia |
| 22:24:08 | Neo|Work | hrm. must be their approval process or something |
| 22:24:16 | treke | Cloudchaser: what else would you use? |
| 22:24:17 | Cloudchaser | they have a database tool to make databasses? |
| 22:26:04 | treke | Cloudchaser: kgrock and tkcRekall |
| 22:27:01 | toolafial | vnc is fun |
| 22:27:02 | Oriumpor | treke: any good samba books you'd recommend? |
| 22:27:06 | treke | nope |
| 22:27:07 | toolafial | especially on windows |
| 22:27:12 | Oriumpor | argh |
| 22:27:29 | treke | vnc with scaling will/might rock |
| 22:27:41 | toolafial | I have vnc running on my home machine, and I opened win-amp and played the demo.mp3 over and over |
| 22:28:05 | toolafial | my wife called me and was like, " the computer is doing something weird" |
| 22:29:34 | toolafial | kergoth : your install instructions could use some help |
| 22:29:47 | Cloudchaser | treke: -The applications must be developed under Qtopia. There are two SDK options for developers. For those who decide to utilize the free SDK will have their application GPL'ed.(Sourceforge) For those who want a license, they must purchase a commercial SDK for $195 here. |
| 22:29:47 | kergoth | toolafial: feel free to assist :-) |
| 22:29:59 | toolafial | k I might just do that |
| 22:31:14 | toolafial | kergoth : I will try and have something tomorrow for ya |
| 22:32:23 | kergoth | toolafial: thanks |
| 22:32:26 | kergoth | re tim |
| 22:33:57 | toolafial | kergoth : what is the bootflag.txt used by is that something written into the kernel (like rdev) or is it something for the bootloader on the Z? |
| 22:34:04 | kergoth | BZFlag: lineo based the locomo stuff in collie.h on nepsonset.h didnt then? |
| 22:34:14 | kergoth | s/then/they/ |
| 22:34:15 | kergoth | jeeze |
| 22:34:17 | kergoth | i need a drink |
| 22:34:19 | kergoth | or caffeine or something |
| 22:34:27 | toolafial | don't we all |
| 22:36:11 | ljp | no.. I need rum |
| 22:36:18 | kergoth | mmm rum |
| 22:36:32 | [DrEvil] | dammit |
| 22:36:36 | kergoth | i should drop by the licquor store on the way home |
| 22:36:45 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: probs? |
| 22:36:45 | [DrEvil] | why wont wget respect my directory exculsions |
| 22:36:48 | BZFlag | kergoth: I _think_ it's used by the bootloader to pass as an argument to the kernel. |
| 22:36:49 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:37:08 | kergoth | BZFlag: oh the runlevel specification in bootflag.txt? i figured it'd be something along those lines |
| 22:37:15 | BZFlag | try one and see if it shows in /proc/cmdline |
| 22:37:24 | BZFlag | yeah, runlevel. |
| 22:37:25 | kergoth | BZFlag: seems like a bit of a hack, i mean why not just let init manage it |
| 22:38:02 | BZFlag | well, they wanted if to be settable after an install. |
| 22:38:20 | ljp | hey BZFlag |
| 22:38:26 | BZFlag | so init is managing it, just that the text file allows changing the default run level. |
| 22:38:38 | kergoth | yeah i suppose. still. :-) nothing wrong with having the default runlevel in inittab and changing their fs structure to not overwrite inittab all the time |
| 22:38:44 | kergoth | imho |
| 22:38:48 | kergoth | yeah |
| 22:38:51 | BZFlag | ljp: hey. got your email(s) ;-) have not tested yet, but should happen today. |
| 22:39:12 | kergoth | BZFlag: hm, the docs on the dev site last time i checked said that it overrides the init behavior |
| 22:39:17 | kergoth | BZFlag: though how that is i have no idea |
| 22:39:18 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:39:21 | BZFlag | yeah, /me is not a fan of the fs layout. |
| 22:39:42 | kergoth | BZFlag: i look forward to linux supporting union mounts :-) |
| 22:39:44 | BZFlag | I think all it overrides is the default runlevel. |
| 22:39:54 | BZFlag | kergoth: you coding that now? ;-) |
| 22:40:09 | kergoth | hah, i'm not THAT bored ;-) |
| 22:40:16 | kergoth | i think i'll leave that to al viro |
| 22:40:21 | kergoth | and others who know far far more than i |
| 22:40:22 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:40:27 | kergoth | is a newbie yet |
| 22:40:34 | BZFlag | I started one once, but that was before the latest vfs changes. |
| 22:42:37 | kergoth | weird. when i compile in locomo support (which i split out into its own c file) i get corrupted serial output. even though the locomo init function is never called.. oh i'm a fucking idiot |
| 22:43:04 | kergoth | with locomo defined, the ifdefs are satisfied and it'll try and do shit on the locomo with it uninitialized because its init function never ran |
| 22:43:06 | kergoth | smacks forehead |
| 22:43:16 | kergoth | yeah, i really need a drink |
| 22:44:20 | oGMo | hmm, fsck is complaining about /etc/fstab not having a passno field |
| 22:44:55 | Mickey0 | anyone trying to cross compile ncurses5.2 ? i halts here with ../ncurses/comp_captab.c:73: `_nc_cap_table' undeclared (first use in this function). Any ideas? |
| 22:45:08 | treke | Mickey0: check in familiar? |
| 22:45:35 | Mickey0 | Mickey0: yeah, i know it is there, but i want to know how i can xcompile it anyway :) |
| 22:45:39 | kergoth | Mickey0: 5.2? let me check |
| 22:45:59 | kergoth | Mickey0: yeah, the OZ buildsystem crosscompiles it as a part of make openzaurus. works fine. whatd ya need? hte build commands? |
| 22:46:06 | kergoth | hmm |
| 22:46:09 | kergoth | i havent seen that error |
| 22:46:23 | Mickey0 | kergoth: hmm... how is your ./configure line? |
| 22:46:28 | kergoth | Mickey0: |
| 22:46:28 | kergoth | ~/coding/user/buildroot-oz$ ls sources/ncur* |
| 22:46:29 | kergoth | sources/ncurses-5.2.patch.gz |
| 22:46:32 | tux_mike | hrm... up to 55k of source :) |
| 22:46:35 | kergoth | there's a patch in the buildsystem for it. |
| 22:46:59 | Mickey0 | kergoth: ah i see... this is the patch to make it cross compile :) where does it come from? |
| 22:47:00 | krow | Is there way to setup a cron job that will wake up the Zaurus, execute, then shutoff? |
| 22:47:08 | Neo|Work | /tmp/foo/java/jre/bin/exe/java: error while loading shared libraries: libpthread.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 22:47:10 | Neo|Work | ~#@~@~@@@!!!! |
| 22:47:18 | Neo|Work | I have a fupping libpthread.so.0! |
| 22:47:28 | kergoth | Mickey0: I created it to make it crosscompile. |
| 22:47:31 | kergoth | Mickey0: |
| 22:47:33 | kergoth | http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/openzaurus/buildroot-oz/configs/ncurses.mk?rev=1.24&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup |
| 22:47:38 | kergoth | thats the build commands you need |
| 22:47:51 | Mickey0 | kergoth: hats off to you! thanks |
| 22:47:59 | kergoth | Mickey0: np. the patch is in cvs under sources/ |
| 22:48:45 | kergoth | find $(SourceTree) -name Makefile|xargs rm -f; \ |
| 22:48:54 | kergoth | looks like i had to wipe the Makefiles that came in the tarball |
| 22:49:01 | oGMo | OK, i accomplished much evil |
| 22:49:02 | kergoth | so they'd be properly generated by the configure |
| 22:49:06 | kergoth | oGMo: woo hoo |
| 22:49:12 | oGMo | i made OZ boot with /etc on /mnt/ram ;) |
| 22:49:17 | kergoth | aha |
| 22:49:25 | kergoth | fun |
| 22:49:28 | kergoth | flash is ro? |
| 22:49:34 | oGMo | kergoth: not quite yet |
| 22:49:46 | oGMo | there are a couple things i want to try |
| 22:49:52 | kergoth | oGMo: you should do a writeup when you're done for those looking for more security (not hacking security but feeling safe and confortable security) |
| 22:50:01 | oGMo | kergoth: i also commented out the default runlevel, so now it asks when i boot, and i can hit S if i want ;) |
| 22:50:07 | kergoth | hah |
| 22:50:07 | kergoth | nice |
| 22:50:10 | oGMo | kergoth: ya |
| 22:50:19 | oGMo | there are some oogly tricks involved |
| 22:50:34 | kergoth | oGMo: no problem, half of my life involves oogly tricks |
| 22:50:37 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:50:56 | oGMo | oh and i made /mnt/ram ext2 so i could have longer filenames :P some ipkg names are long |
| 22:50:59 | oGMo | kergoth: ;) |
| 22:51:00 | kergoth | Them: "Boy, thats a gross hack isnt it?" Me; "yep, but hey it works." |
| 22:51:30 | treke | kergoth: would the parts of opie that have the ftp server in them be portable from a zaurus to an ipaq? |
| 22:51:46 | kergoth | treke: hm? its just transferserver.cpp in launcher |
| 22:51:54 | oGMo | kergoth: nothing is a gross hack compared to the default sharp fs |
| 22:51:57 | oGMo | ugh! i say |
| 22:51:58 | kergoth | treke; if you want syncing, just find zecke's commit message and revert his patch |
| 22:52:08 | kergoth | oGMo: hah, no doubt, thats part of why OZ exists |
| 22:52:16 | tux_mike | woot! |
| 22:52:25 | tux_mike | i got some info on the ram chips in the 5000D!! |
| 22:52:25 | oGMo | oh yeah, qtopiadesktop doesn't work now either ;) |
| 22:52:25 | treke | kergoth: I was wondering If I could pull it out of the oz feed, I'm a bit too lazy to keep reverting it :) |
| 22:52:33 | kergoth | tux_mike: oh, i had that. :-P |
| 22:52:34 | oGMo | applies wget |
| 22:52:41 | tux_mike | kergoth: supplier info |
| 22:52:46 | treke | eh, I dont need syncing anyhoo |
| 22:52:52 | kergoth | treke: hah. well yeah, i havent reverted it myself yet |
| 22:53:34 | kergoth | tux_mike: oh really? now that is useful info. what are you digging into? |
| 22:53:40 | kergoth | tux_mike: trying to upgrade? |
| 22:53:45 | tux_mike | eactly |
| 22:53:47 | tux_mike | exactly |
| 22:53:50 | Neo|Work | wtf is that libpthread missing thing from |
| 22:53:57 | Neo|Work | when I run it in the shell manually it fupping works |
| 22:54:14 | tux_mike | The memory chip number that you gave me is not actually made by Toshiba. It is made by a company called Staktek their web address is www.staktek.com .</quote> |
| 22:56:08 | kergoth | nice |
| 22:56:48 | Neo|Work | hrm |
| 22:57:03 | Neo|Work | if I strace I can see it opening libpthread.so.0 but it still sauys it's not there? |
| 22:57:04 | Neo|Work | wtf? |
| 22:57:24 | tux_mike | it's on crack |
| 22:57:35 | kergoth | yes yes, definately crack |
| 22:58:31 | kergoth | [OT] Anyone have a good Long Island Ice Tea recipe? |
| 22:59:46 | Neo|Work | aha |
| 23:00:05 | Neo|Work | export LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.2.5 <-- that breaks things |
| 23:00:37 | kergoth | 2.2.5? |
| 23:00:37 | kergoth | lol |
| 23:01:06 | Neo|Work | this is seriously fucked up |
| 23:01:19 | Neo|Work | it obviously breaks things for me |
| 23:01:58 | kergoth | damint damnit damnit |
| 23:04:22 | darienm | whardier: Can you send me the Vasi text in a file, or Word doc. I would like to recommend some alterations. |
| 23:05:05 | oGMo | hrmmm |
| 23:05:06 | Neo|Work | seems like I need glibc 2.1 compat libs. too bad it doesn't seem lie mandrake has them. |
| 23:05:48 | BZFlag | notes that darienm does not consider Word docs to be files. |
| 23:06:24 | darienm | Of course not, files don't contain virus-like scripts that execute. |
| 23:06:33 | BZFlag | heh |
| 23:06:40 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:06:47 | kergoth | man, i love google |
| 23:06:48 | oGMo | kergoth: does the desktop only look in /opt for its stuff? I installed something to the mtdram target (without links, as if / was a ro fs), and nothing appeared |
| 23:06:48 | kergoth | i really do |
| 23:07:15 | kergoth | oGMo: um, installing to any dest other than root will require symlinking into the rootfs, hence your problem |
| 23:07:20 | BZFlag | is sad about google. I waas building an engine that would knock the socks off google. |
| 23:07:27 | kergoth | BZFlag: oo |
| 23:07:40 | oGMo | although, i could easily move the /opt/Qtopia/apps to /mnt/ram/opt/QtPalmtop/apps ... |
| 23:07:53 | kergoth | I like doing coding on searching and relevancy algorithms |
| 23:08:02 | BZFlag | then the money (VC and the board) decided that a business to business web site would stand more of a chance. (yeah right). |
| 23:08:06 | oGMo | kergoth: hrm. Someone should hack that to look in multiple places a la the documents tab. |
| 23:08:13 | BZFlag | and they killed the project. |
| 23:08:15 | oGMo | this should work though. |
| 23:08:16 | kergoth | oGMo: nope, wont happy. not generally useful. |
| 23:08:21 | kergoth | oGMo: er happen |
| 23:08:28 | kergoth | BZFlag: ack, that sucks. |
| 23:08:33 | oGMo | i suppose |
| 23:08:39 | Neo|Work | BZFlag: hey, what do you know about the Zaurus touchscreen driver? :) |
| 23:08:43 | BZFlag | if you know anyone with 10M that's about what it would take to beat google at this point. I'm sure I can do it. |
| 23:09:15 | BZFlag | Neo|Work: not enough or too much. depending on how I look at it. |
| 23:09:20 | kergoth | BZFlag: better design? i mean, improved relavency on results? or ..? |
| 23:10:01 | Neo|Work | BZFlag: seena any of my ranting on how bad it it? I.e causes 40-50% slowdown in apps in Qtopia when stylus is pressed |
| 23:10:40 | BZFlag | kergoth: better relavency, not so vulnerable to sort attacks, better clasification system, quicker updates, much less hardware. |
| 23:10:52 | kergoth | BZFlag: Impressive. |
| 23:11:02 | treke | it would be nice if .Desktop files could be moved |
| 23:11:10 | Neo|Work | fuckers |
| 23:11:18 | Neo|Work | Mandrake doesn't have glibc compat packages |
| 23:11:24 | BZFlag | Neo|Work: yeah. anti-jitter code is a pain. could definitely use improvement. |
| 23:11:45 | Cloudchaser | anybody here install tkc rekall demo? |
| 23:11:47 | kergoth | BZFlag: I was thinking on swiping the smoothing code from picogui. heh |
| 23:11:54 | kergoth | BZFlag: havent had time though. |
| 23:12:03 | kergoth | BZFlag: for the ts driver i mean |
| 23:12:04 | Neo|Work | BZFlag: the ipaq kernel driver seems a lot better |
| 23:12:07 | BZFlag | kergoth: someone(tm) should look at rmk's lib. |
| 23:12:11 | Neo|Work | because there slowdowns are much less |
| 23:12:37 | BZFlag | Neo|Work: agreed. ipaq is one of the better versions at present. |
| 23:12:41 | kergoth | BZFlag: good idea. |
| 23:12:42 | Neo|Work | if I knew squat about kernel programming and thought that if I did make any changes it would be used by sharp, I'd look at it |
| 23:12:57 | Neo|Work | however I don't know anything and doubt sharp every use it. :-/ |
| 23:13:04 | kergoth | Neo|Work: hey look at me, I still dont know squat but i'm getting shit done. hehe |
| 23:14:19 | Cloudchaser | i can't get rekall demo to install to sd card and when i install it to ram i get no icon ;( |
| 23:15:03 | Neo|Work | Cloudchaser: tkc needs to get their installations looked at. :P but then again, do you have enough space and all that? |
| 23:15:13 | Cloudchaser | i have 7 mb free in ram |
| 23:15:23 | Cloudchaser | dunno if its enough but it ought to be |
| 23:15:25 | Neo|Work | how big is rekall (uncompressed?) |
| 23:15:38 | treke | anyone that releases a 6 meg pda app needs to have their head examined |
| 23:15:59 | Neo|Work | treke: uhum. RocketElite will be around that... :-P |
| 23:16:05 | Neo|Work | and trust me, not much can be done about it |
| 23:16:07 | ljp | what app is 6mb? |
| 23:16:14 | Neo|Work | I'm managed to get it somewhat smaller, perhaps 5 MB |
| 23:16:28 | Cloudchaser | there's 3 things. python is 460 kb, dmodb is 4 kb, and rekall is 2412 kb |
| 23:16:36 | ljp | someone needs to invent a pda with 128 mb flash |
| 23:16:39 | treke | Neo|Work: You dont count since your porting :) The upstream author should though |
| 23:16:53 | ljp | super zaurus |
| 23:17:01 | Neo|Work | treke: well, as I said, those MB's are well used and worth the space |
| 23:17:06 | Neo|Work | and it's already using jpegs |
| 23:17:17 | kergoth | BZFlag: rmk's tslib is pretty nifty. giving it a quick overview. |
| 23:17:22 | Neo|Work | although as I said I am getting it about 1 MB less at least |
| 23:17:35 | Neo|Work | who is rmk anyway? |
| 23:17:45 | Cloudchaser | big boss said one other person had same problem and installed it after hard reset with no problem |
| 23:17:47 | kergoth | Neo|Work: check this out: http://cvs.arm.linux.org.uk/cgi/viewcvs.cgi/tslib/README?rev=1.3&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup |
| 23:17:51 | Cloudchaser | i kinda don't want to do that |
| 23:18:10 | Neo|Work | BZFlag: you say the anti-jitter is what's using the CPU? and despite it being in the kernel and from what I can see, in Qtoia, it still jitters? |
| 23:18:37 | kergoth | Neo|Work: he means the antijitter code sucks. |
| 23:18:39 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:19:03 | darienm | Cloudchaser: i'm having trouble installing the demo also |
| 23:19:11 | Neo|Work | ok, I already have glibc compat libs installed |
| 23:19:13 | darienm | Cloudchaser: So i freed up a LOT of space, and will try again |
| 23:19:17 | Neo|Work | wonder how I can make them be used. :)) |
| 23:19:51 | Cloudchaser | ok darienm thanks.. will you let me know how you make out? |
| 23:20:00 | Cloudchaser | did you try to sd card also? |
| 23:20:03 | darienm | Cloudchaser: I'll be trying again in the next 20-30 mins |
| 23:20:09 | darienm | Cloudchaser: yes, initially tried SD card |
| 23:20:11 | ljp | hmm I need to update my irc thingy |
| 23:20:15 | Cloudchaser | i *really* want this to work |
| 23:20:18 | kergoth | your irc thingy? |
| 23:20:18 | Neo|Work | /tmp/foo/java/jre/bin/exe/java: relocation error: /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/lib/libc.so.6: symbol _dl_debug_impcalls, version GLIBC_2.0 not defined in file ld-linux.so.2 with link time reference |
| 23:20:19 | kergoth | hah |
| 23:20:20 | Neo|Work | GAH! |
| 23:20:29 | ljp | heh.. well.. not mine.. |
| 23:20:42 | ljp | ksirc keep crashing |
| 23:20:45 | kergoth | ah |
| 23:20:53 | kergoth | use xchat :-) |
| 23:21:31 | Oriumpor | xchat 1.8.9 |
| 23:21:33 | BZFlag | Neo|Work: there is antijitter code in qtopia as well. |
| 23:21:35 | Cloudchaser | i want to try to enter that challenge |
| 23:21:56 | ljp | anybody else seieng wierdnees cpu % with opie-apprearance? |
| 23:21:58 | | iang was last seen on #zaurus 3 hours, 39 minutes and 14 seconds ago, saying: kergoth: 2.4 I think [Thu Jul 18 20:42:44 2002] |
| 23:21:58 | Oriumpor | ibot seen iang |
| 23:22:00 | ljp | seeing even |
| 23:22:02 | Oriumpor | lol |
| 23:22:06 | Oriumpor | and I missed him again |
| 23:22:07 | Neo|Work | BZFlag: right, I read that code. it must receive a heck of a whole lot of events each time called though because processing events take like 10 ms |
| 23:22:50 | Neo|Work | BZFlag: and it's the same code for ipaq too. :-) Not to be rude or anything but how could code this bad be released? It was the absolute first thing I noticed (jittering) and then later the performance issues.. |
| 23:23:18 | BZFlag | Neo|Work: rmk is russell m king. arm-linux maintainer. |
| 23:23:29 | Neo|Work | ah |
| 23:23:47 | Neo|Work | does he know of its issues? :) |
| 23:25:06 | oGMo | hrmm |
| 23:25:15 | oGMo | i think i see why the had all those *.rom directories |
| 23:26:06 | Cloudchaser | hey neowork |
| 23:26:20 | Cloudchaser | found a game that looks kinda neat |
| 23:27:13 | Cloudchaser | called Dragonbane 2 |
| 23:27:32 | inomine | is it for zaurus? |
| 23:27:42 | Cloudchaser | nope ppc |
| 23:27:59 | inomine | bah, i already played it... |
| 23:28:07 | Cloudchaser | you did? |
| 23:28:10 | Cloudchaser | did you like it? |
| 23:28:12 | kergoth | oGMo: yess, having a read only / is a bitch, no? :-) |
| 23:28:12 | inomine | i vas hopign it come out for zaurus |
| 23:28:27 | oGMo | kergoth: well, it shouldn't be... this could easily be set up not to |
| 23:28:30 | Cloudchaser | thats why i'm telling Neo|Work about it |
| 23:28:34 | kergoth | oGMo: have fun ;-) |
| 23:28:37 | oGMo | it just needs a slightly different approach taken when making it |
| 23:28:47 | inomine | dragon bane isnt bad, just hate the fake 3d thing |
| 23:28:48 | kergoth | yeah there are solutions |
| 23:29:16 | Cloudchaser | how bout digger for z? |
| 23:29:38 | inomine | nah not played it |
| 23:29:48 | Cloudchaser | or quigley's quest |
| 23:30:03 | inomine | where are all these games from? |
| 23:30:16 | Cloudchaser | ppc |
| 23:30:24 | inomine | ah ok |
| 23:30:30 | Cloudchaser | looking for ideas for neo for games that look interesting to me ;) |
| 23:30:35 | inomine | you played tomb raider? |
| 23:30:45 | Cloudchaser | no |
| 23:30:50 | Oriumpor | the obligitory dope wars |
| 23:31:00 | inomine | i like a nice rpg like zelda for the gameboy |
| 23:31:01 | Cloudchaser | no desire to play dope wars |
| 23:31:07 | kergoth | inomine: thatd be nice |
| 23:31:11 | Cloudchaser | yes inomine: i'd like that too |
| 23:31:13 | Oriumpor | gbemu |
| 23:31:13 | kergoth | I still want f-zero |
| 23:31:15 | kergoth | ;-) |
| 23:31:21 | kergoth | anyone try that gba emu? |
| 23:31:24 | inomine | yes |
| 23:31:27 | inomine | it works :) |
| 23:31:29 | kergoth | sweet |
| 23:31:30 | Oriumpor | spiff |
| 23:31:32 | inomine | to an extent |
| 23:31:35 | Oriumpor | hrm |
| 23:31:36 | kergoth | hah |
| 23:31:38 | Oriumpor | that's not working |
| 23:31:39 | kergoth | there's always a catch |
| 23:31:40 | Cloudchaser | i couldn't get it to work ;( |
| 23:31:45 | Cloudchaser | i have some gba roms |
| 23:31:50 | Oriumpor | scummvm... that's my goal |
| 23:31:54 | kergoth | I really want f-zero on my Z. i love that game |
| 23:31:56 | inomine | well it dosent work on gba roms |
| 23:32:00 | Oriumpor | untill I can play insult sword fighting on my Z it isn't a computer |
| 23:32:00 | kergoth | Oriumpor: dont forget sarien |
| 23:32:10 | kergoth | Oriumpor: I wont leisure suit larry ;-) |
| 23:32:13 | kergoth | s/wont/want/ |
| 23:32:32 | Oriumpor | dosemu? |
| 23:32:43 | inomine | frankly ill take any game that you can _play_ instead of be _distracted_ by |
| 23:32:48 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:32:52 | Oriumpor | tetris |
| 23:32:55 | inomine | NO |
| 23:32:57 | kergoth | Oriumpor: dont need it. there are interpreters for linux |
| 23:33:03 | kergoth | i want centipede |
| 23:33:06 | Cloudchaser | i like little adventure rpg type games |
| 23:33:07 | Oriumpor | the original one for 286 cga |
| 23:33:08 | kergoth | galaga |
| 23:33:19 | Oriumpor | not the Z50 version |
| 23:33:20 | Cloudchaser | somethig my fingers don't have to outrun my brain |
| 23:33:29 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: dont get bustem then |
| 23:33:33 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: theres no TIME TO THINK |
| 23:33:33 | inomine | i want a game that will take time to complete and has a goal |
| 23:33:34 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: hehe |
| 23:33:41 | Cloudchaser | hehe yeah i got demo |
| 23:33:46 | kergoth | its insane action |
| 23:33:46 | Cloudchaser | didn't make it very far |
| 23:33:48 | kergoth | i love it though |
| 23:33:50 | kergoth | me neither |
| 23:33:53 | Neo|Work | kergoth: indeed. RocketElite is a big better but still not a nice relaxing game. :) |
| 23:33:55 | kergoth | takes a lot of practice |
| 23:34:01 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:34:01 | Oriumpor | moo |
| 23:34:06 | Oriumpor | moo would be awesome |
| 23:34:07 | kergoth | its all good though. i'm buying bustem anyway |
| 23:34:13 | inomine | rocketelite is way cool |
| 23:34:18 | inomine | port xpilot :) |
| 23:34:26 | Neo|Work | inomine: definitely very cool. |
| 23:34:29 | kergoth | fuck fuck fuck. something i did corrupted my serial output |
| 23:34:32 | kergoth | no serial console |
| 23:34:36 | Neo|Work | I'd love to try multiplayer mode |
| 23:34:42 | kergoth | shoots himself |
| 23:34:47 | inomine | NeoTron: yeah |
| 23:34:52 | inomine | oops :( |
| 23:35:14 | Oriumpor | how about some "hefty" mame ports like simpsons |
| 23:35:21 | Oriumpor | or something of the like |
| 23:35:21 | Cloudchaser | eww |
| 23:35:35 | inomine | is there a mame ver for zaurus? |
| 23:35:37 | kergoth | mortal kombat |
| 23:35:38 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:35:39 | Neo|Work | however it will be incompatible with pocketpc (UDP/IP) and will require another zaurus to play with |
| 23:36:02 | Oriumpor | IR-chess would rock |
| 23:36:09 | Neo|Work | of course, UDP would work over the internet, but it requires a direct, real ips no firewall or anything |
| 23:36:12 | kergoth | Oriumpor: pester mark to get knights multiplayer working |
| 23:36:23 | inomine | knights? |
| 23:36:26 | Oriumpor | battleship! |
| 23:36:27 | Oriumpor | :P |
| 23:36:29 | kergoth | yeah, knights |
| 23:36:38 | kergoth | space invaders |
| 23:36:42 | Cloudchaser | i couldn't get rocketlite to work |
| 23:36:42 | kergoth | i want some of the classics |
| 23:36:49 | kergoth | and not slow mame |
| 23:36:50 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:36:51 | inomine | why not create a proper game rather than rip a cheasy board game? |
| 23:36:53 | Oriumpor | get galaga to work in zmame : P |
| 23:37:00 | kergoth | yeah galaga rules |
| 23:37:06 | kergoth | i can still hear the sounds |
| 23:37:10 | kergoth | i need help |
| 23:37:15 | kergoth | or alcohol |
| 23:37:17 | kergoth | time to go home |
| 23:37:19 | Neo|Work | I should add tcp/ip too |
| 23:37:23 | inomine | or both :) |
| 23:37:25 | Neo|Work | and IR |
| 23:37:26 | ljp | is still waiting for someone to port the old arcade tempest game to the z |
| 23:37:28 | kergoth | oo yes both works |
| 23:37:30 | kergoth | tempest |
| 23:37:32 | kergoth | hell yeah |
| 23:37:34 | oGMo | um |
| 23:37:34 | Oriumpor | tempest! |
| 23:37:35 | applebiter | stick to caffeine and alcohol! |
| 23:37:42 | Neo|Work | Cloudchaser: after reinstalling it after cleaning up it still didn't work? |
| 23:38:00 | oGMo | kergoth, you know that it's mtdblock6 not mtdblock4 that's set with the option noatime, right? |
| 23:38:06 | inomine | has some1 ported rocketelite??? to zaurus? |
| 23:38:06 | Cloudchaser | cleaning it up? |
| 23:38:12 | Oriumpor | ir-wars : P |
| 23:38:15 | Neo|Work | inomine: I'm working on it yes |
| 23:38:19 | Oriumpor | use your z like a lazer tag gun |
| 23:38:19 | Neo|Work | demo out today probably |
| 23:38:20 | Cloudchaser | hey whats that ramdisk thingy? |
| 23:38:21 | inomine | oh YES |
| 23:38:23 | kergoth | oGMo: ?, yes, you dont use noatime on jffs2. |
| 23:38:31 | oGMo | kergoth: ok |
| 23:38:36 | Neo|Work | inomine: you mean you played it on PPC? :) |
| 23:38:42 | inomine | yep |
| 23:38:46 | Neo|Work | ah |
| 23:39:04 | inomine | i killed whole lectures with that game |
| 23:39:06 | Oriumpor | alright I'm losing it. time to go home |
| 23:39:20 | Oriumpor | GnuChess would be awesome. |
| 23:39:29 | Oriumpor | GnuChess+IR would rock |
| 23:39:31 | kergoth | Oriumpor: knights can do gnuchess iirc |
| 23:39:47 | Oriumpor | kergoth: but is mark gonna finish it? |
| 23:40:00 | kergoth | Oriumpor: i dunno, pester him |
| 23:40:01 | Cloudchaser | hehe Millenium Digger looks like fin |
| 23:40:06 | Neo|Work | inomine: well, as I said will try to get the demo out tonight |
| 23:40:27 | Cloudchaser | i wonder if something is wrong with my z |
| 23:40:29 | Neo|Work | Cloudchaser: you spend time yesterday making more space in the internal storage |
| 23:40:31 | Cloudchaser | seems i have troubles |
| 23:40:32 | inomine | Neo|Work: my dads money is yours |
| 23:40:42 | Cloudchaser | i hae 7mb free Neo|Work |
| 23:40:46 | Cloudchaser | have |
| 23:40:53 | Neo|Work | Cloudchaser: did you uninstall / reinstall it after that? your problem was due to internal storage getting full |
| 23:40:57 | Oriumpor | hrm |
| 23:41:07 | Neo|Work | Cloudchaser: you had less free when you installed it... |
| 23:41:12 | Cloudchaser | i'll try installing it again now |
| 23:41:16 | Cloudchaser | yes i had much less |
| 23:41:22 | Neo|Work | so that is why it failed |
| 23:41:29 | Neo|Work | inomine_: :) |
| 23:41:31 | Oriumpor | allright I'm out |
| 23:41:38 | Oriumpor | I'm damn near the last person left here @ work |
| 23:41:49 | Cloudchaser | somoene told me about something that uses other ram to install instead |
| 23:41:55 | Cloudchaser | but i can't remember what its called |
| 23:42:04 | Neo|Work | tmpramdisk? |
| 23:42:16 | Cloudchaser | yes |
| 23:42:17 | Neo|Work | and I was the one that suggested that. :) |
| 23:42:24 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
| 23:42:32 | Cloudchaser | where do i get that again? |
| 23:43:05 | Neo|Work | uh, google for it |
| 23:43:09 | Neo|Work | nethack site or something |
| 23:43:13 | Neo|Work | I think it's in the faq too |
| 23:43:14 | Cloudchaser | ok |
| 23:43:15 | | i heard faq was at http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/zaurus-faq/ or at http://www.handhelds.org/handhelds-faq/handhelds-faq.html or at http://adorphuye.com/zaurus/java/faq.jsp |
| 23:43:15 | Neo|Work | ibot faq |
| 23:44:42 | | OK, Neo|Work. |
| 23:44:42 | Neo|Work | ibot tmpramdisk is http://trolls.troll.no/warwick/nethack/ipk/tmpramdisk_1.5.0-2_arm.ipk |
| 23:45:00 | Neo|Work | but 7 MB should be enough for my stuff at least |
| 23:45:20 | inomine_ | any1 ported nethack yet? |
| 23:45:30 | Neo|Work | yes |
| 23:45:38 | Neo|Work | that's what's on http://trolls.troll.no/warwick/nethack/ipk/ |
| 23:45:39 | inomine_ | ooh where from? |
| 23:45:44 | inomine_ | ah ok |
| 23:46:16 | inomine_ | actually wore a spot on my ipaqs screen playing it on ppc |
| 23:46:19 | darienm | where does tmpramdisk pull its space from? how does it differ from swap? |
| 23:46:21 | inomine_ | (pressing s) |
| 23:46:27 | | neo|work: no idea |
| 23:46:27 | Neo|Work | ibot nethack is that's what's on http://trolls.troll.no/warwick/nethack/ipk/ |
| 23:46:38 | | ...but nethack is a rouge like game at http://ipaq.geekserve.org... |
| 23:46:38 | Neo|Work | ibot nethack is http://trolls.troll.no/warwick/nethack/ipk/ |
| 23:46:45 | | okay, Neo|Work. |
| 23:46:45 | Neo|Work | ibot nethack is also http://trolls.troll.no/warwick/nethack/ipk/ |
| 23:46:46 | Cloudchaser | thanks neo |
| 23:46:50 | ljp | frickin' win2k |
| 23:47:03 | ljp | who plays nethack? |
| 23:47:18 | Cloudchaser | i have it |
| 23:47:27 | Cloudchaser | played it a couple times |
| 23:47:30 | darienm | I tried playing it. |
| 23:47:32 | Cloudchaser | died of starvation |
| 23:47:32 | inomine_ | me play it |
| 23:47:32 | darienm | Got confused. |
| 23:47:44 | ljp | oo |
| 23:47:54 | ljp | that reminds me.. leftover pizza |
| 23:47:59 | Neo|Work | the interface isn't great for the Zaurus |
| 23:48:02 | inomine_ | ljp: lol |
| 23:48:04 | Cloudchaser | got stuck in a bear trap |
| 23:48:11 | inomine_ | ljp: dont itll stun you |
| 23:48:12 | Neo|Work | and what bugs me is that I get stuck and can't find the way down |
| 23:48:16 | Neo|Work | like on the second level |
| 23:48:26 | Neo|Work | and there's like no hints where to search |
| 23:48:26 | inomine_ | you need to search |
| 23:48:32 | inomine_ | oh ok |
| 23:48:33 | Cloudchaser | yeah i got stuck too |
| 23:48:40 | Neo|Work | and then you starve to death because you don't know where to search. :) |
| 23:48:52 | inomine_ | if ur near to death pray |
| 23:49:06 | inomine_ | dont do it v often though |
| 23:49:20 | Neo|Work | thing is, I just don't get into nethack. too much stuff. :) |
| 23:49:34 | Cloudchaser | how bout Digger? |
| 23:49:35 | Cloudchaser | ;) |
| 23:49:42 | Cloudchaser | or...Dragon Bane 2? |
| 23:49:43 | inomine_ | i like lots of buttons.. hence why i switched to linux |
| 23:50:30 | inomine_ | how about 'turjah 2'? |
| 23:51:08 | Neo|Work | find good PPC games and I'll try to get rights to port them or even better get me the rights fro the start. :P |
| 23:51:28 | Cloudchaser | dunnow how to get you rights but those two i said are ppc games |
| 23:51:46 | inomine_ | turjah kept me twitching for hours... |
| 23:52:33 | Cloudchaser | that looks kinda neat but looks really fast |
| 23:52:42 | Cloudchaser | http://www.turjah.com/ |
| 23:52:45 | inomine_ | it is very fast |
| 23:52:56 | inomine_ | it is unbelievable how fast it is |
| 23:53:40 | Cloudchaser | hmm dragon bane 2 is for palm :( |
| 23:53:58 | inomine_ | yeah thats where i played it origianaly |
| 23:54:01 | Neo|Work | no matter what, "Snake" can't possibly be made into a fun game. :P |
| 23:54:01 | Cloudchaser | oh wait |
| 23:54:04 | Cloudchaser | its for ppc now |
| 23:54:12 | Cloudchaser | http://www.dragonbane.com/db2.htm |
| 23:54:19 | Neo|Work | inomine: shoot em up? |
| 23:54:26 | Cloudchaser | http://www.vitalgames.com/games/digger/index.html |
| 23:54:38 | inomine_ | yes turjah is a scrolling shooter |
| 23:54:45 | Neo|Work | Cloudchaser: cool, dragonbane looks like bards tale or something |
| 23:54:58 | inomine_ | but a lot lot worse |
| 23:55:00 | Neo|Work | I think I played the first version demo on PalmOS or so |
| 23:55:18 | Cloudchaser | can you make something like that Neo? |
| 23:56:12 | Speedy2 | re |
| 23:56:26 | Neo|Work | like Dragon Bane? |
| 23:56:58 | Cloudchaser | yes |
| 23:57:05 | Cloudchaser | hiya speedy2 |
| 23:57:08 | Speedy2 | Hi Cloudchaser |
| 23:57:27 | oGMo | gah, the opie package manager "remembers" installed packages when uninstalled and then you can't ever find them again |
| 23:57:42 | Speedy2 | What's up Cloudchaser |
| 23:58:08 | ljp | oGMo: you could do us a favor and report that bug to opie bug tracker ;) |
| 23:58:30 | oGMo | ljp, for probably the 9000th time? ;) |
| 23:58:37 | inomine_ | is there a way for the os not to scroll the app background as you scroll? |
| 23:59:14 | oGMo | i think i better stick with a stock rom, since i got this thing to use and not just to hack ;) |
| 23:59:26 | Neo|Work | Cloudchaser: sent them a mail so now we'll see what happens |
| 23:59:42 | Cloudchaser | cool |
| 23:59:46 | oGMo | some stuff is really nice though, like the mixer applet |
| 23:59:53 | Neo|Work | I want Turjah too. /me writes another mail |
| 23:59:54 | Cloudchaser | what do you have to do to get a ppc game to port over? |
| 23:59:58 | Cloudchaser | permissiion? |
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