| 00:02:23 | ljp | hmm looks like grip is it for gui ogg encoders |
| 00:02:37 | ljp | thats kinda funnt |
| 00:02:41 | ljp | funny |
| 00:05:11 | sig | sup ljp |
| 00:05:17 | ljp | notta |
| 00:05:24 | sig | sounds good |
| 00:05:56 | sig | I want a laptop |
| 00:05:58 | sig | :( |
| 00:06:04 | sig | I need to win the lottery |
| 00:06:11 | sig | or start selling dope |
| 00:06:12 | sig | lol |
| 00:07:02 | CloudChaser | ljp |
| 00:07:09 | CloudChaser | what bit rate should i use? |
| 00:07:16 | CloudChaser | my son did find where that was |
| 00:07:32 | CloudChaser | oh and the .wav files get deleted after ripping |
| 00:12:28 | sig | swizam |
| 00:12:36 | CloudChaser | swizam? |
| 00:12:36 | sig | holy shizzle |
| 00:12:39 | CloudChaser | hehe |
| 00:12:42 | sig | CloudChaser: hehe |
| 00:12:54 | sig | I love power typing on my z via vnc |
| 00:12:56 | CloudChaser | hey sig..do you make mp3 or ogg? |
| 00:13:01 | CloudChaser | me too sig! |
| 00:13:09 | sig | mp3 |
| 00:13:33 | sig | fuck |
| 00:13:35 | sig | brb |
| 00:13:43 | sig | I just restored my z back to nothing |
| 00:13:44 | CloudChaser | sighs |
| 00:13:46 | sig | damnit damnit damnit |
| 00:13:46 | CloudChaser | ack! |
| 00:13:53 | sig | :( |
| 00:13:57 | sig | I lost all my shit |
| 00:13:58 | CloudChaser | no back up? |
| 00:13:59 | sig | again |
| 00:14:02 | CloudChaser | oh no :( |
| 00:14:04 | sig | hah |
| 00:14:06 | sig | my fault |
| 00:14:27 | sig | damn |
| 00:14:41 | sig | brb, gotta load all the crap back oni t |
| 00:15:27 | CloudChaser | oki |
| 00:15:34 | sig | damn i piss myself off |
| 00:15:35 | sig | hehehe |
| 00:15:43 | sig | punches himself in the face!! |
| 00:15:47 | CloudChaser | hehe |
| 00:16:27 | sig | what url of feed do you have on your z? |
| 00:16:56 | CloudChaser | the zaurus zone one.. hang a sec and i'll tell you |
| 00:18:49 | sig | http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/feed/ |
| 00:18:56 | sig | thats it |
| 00:18:59 | CloudChaser | hehe yep |
| 00:19:04 | sig | damn |
| 00:19:10 | sig | I had like 30 addresses |
| 00:19:10 | sig | hehe |
| 00:19:53 | jmh|nwn | yew |
| 00:19:57 | jmh|nwn | okie dokie |
| 00:20:01 | CloudChaser | 30 feeds> |
| 00:20:04 | CloudChaser | ? |
| 00:20:23 | sig | 30 feeds? |
| 00:20:26 | sig | what are you talking about? |
| 00:20:39 | jmh|nwn | Fenthrick Moss does not sound ... mm.. how shall i put this.. heterosexual? (stereotypically speaking of course) |
| 00:20:40 | CloudChaser | you said you had 30 addresses |
| 00:20:51 | jmh|nwn | too many choices! |
| 00:21:47 | sig | yeah, i had lots of addresses |
| 00:23:33 | sig | do i need a password to enter a feed? |
| 00:24:06 | ljp | nope |
| 00:24:28 | ljp | imagine 2000 addresses |
| 00:24:30 | CloudChaser | hey that divx player.. will play movies right? |
| 00:24:41 | CloudChaser | but arene't movies like 700 mb? |
| 00:26:11 | sig | i click upgrade and nothing appears in this damn thing |
| 00:27:36 | sig | http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/feed/ |
| 00:27:46 | sig | is that the feed you guys have in your zaurus? |
| 00:28:28 | sig | ipkg says something went wrong, sorry |
| 00:28:30 | sig | wtf is this |
| 00:30:48 | ljp | pocketmovies |
| 00:34:18 | CloudChaser | pocket movies? |
| 00:34:29 | CloudChaser | can't watch real movies? |
| 00:34:53 | sig | someone give me the feed url that they have in their z that works |
| 00:35:39 | CloudChaser | i have http://www.zauruszone.com/feed/ |
| 00:37:38 | sig | where's the porn pocket movies? hehehehe |
| 00:39:30 | kendrick2 | re |
| 00:39:36 | kendrick2 | off chasing clouds, i presume :) |
| 00:40:14 | sig | damn, i need a beer |
| 00:40:28 | sig | digs through his pocket |
| 00:40:36 | kendrick2 | pocket beer!? :) |
| 00:40:40 | sig | heh |
| 00:40:47 | sig | dude nothing is coming up in my feed list |
| 00:40:52 | sig | i hit upgrade |
| 00:41:03 | sig | and the url i put in is: http://www.zauruszone.com/feed |
| 00:41:05 | sig | wtf |
| 00:41:50 | kendrick2 | dunno |
| 00:41:55 | kendrick2 | havent done any feed stuff lately |
| 00:42:02 | sig | do i need to put in a user and passwd? |
| 00:42:07 | kendrick2 | uhh |
| 00:42:09 | kendrick2 | probably not? :) |
| 00:42:28 | sig | says ipkg something went wrong |
| 00:43:00 | kendrick2 | got enough room? |
| 00:43:04 | sig | now this is messed up |
| 00:43:08 | sig | no, i have lots of room |
| 00:43:16 | kendrick2 | installing onto RAM, SD or CF? |
| 00:43:25 | sig | I'm not installing anything |
| 00:43:38 | sig | I hit upgrade on the feed shit and it said that |
| 00:43:47 | kendrick2 | well, no idea |
| 00:43:52 | kendrick2 | unfortunately, i gotta run |
| 00:44:01 | sig | cya |
| 00:44:01 | kendrick2 | doing a presentation to 4H on Linux, and i gotta whip up the notes :) |
| 00:44:13 | sig | to 4H? |
| 00:44:22 | sig | what do you do show goats or cows or something? |
| 00:47:46 | ljp | ha |
| 00:48:01 | sig | ljp: dude nothing is coming up on my feed list |
| 00:48:11 | sig | I put: http://www.zauruszone.com/feed in too |
| 00:48:16 | sig | named it NEW |
| 00:49:10 | sig | any ideas? |
| 00:49:47 | ljp | I dunno.. I dont use feeds package manager |
| 00:49:57 | sig | damnit |
| 00:50:15 | sig | I'ma reboot this thing |
| 00:51:05 | sig | sharp needs to make a rom so we can add backgrounds |
| 00:51:07 | sig | :) |
| 00:51:14 | sig | I know oz does |
| 00:53:49 | jmhodges_ | hope no ones been trying to talk to me .. |
| 00:53:59 | sig | sup jmhhodges_ |
| 00:54:09 | sig | lol |
| 00:54:31 | jmhodges | whew. |
| 00:54:41 | sig | now I'm pizzed |
| 00:54:42 | sig | brb |
| 00:54:52 | jmhodges | ok hm.. tomi grin join my party! |
| 00:56:04 | jmh|nwn | n/m friggin 150 coins.. jesus.. |
| 00:59:07 | sig | ahh, now the feed is working |
| 00:59:56 | sig | well maybe not |
| 00:59:57 | sig | jmh|nwn: |
| 01:00:26 | sig | what url do you have entered on your z for feeds? |
| 01:03:03 | sig | <nmatrix> got any new wallpapers |
| 01:03:04 | sig | <nmatrix> redhat kicks ass |
| 01:03:04 | sig | <nmatrix> I like redhat |
| 01:03:04 | sig | <sig> a pic of my balls on a white background, you want it? |
| 01:03:04 | sig | <nmatrix> f**** you |
| 01:03:16 | sig | lol |
| 01:05:33 | sig | wb Cloudchaser |
| 01:11:56 | Cloudchaser | thanks ;) |
| 01:14:18 | ljp | http://llornkcor.com/screenshots/sc_19.40.15_Sat_13_Jul_2002.png |
| 01:14:38 | sig | nice pic |
| 01:14:53 | sig | but that screen is cluttered |
| 01:14:55 | sig | damn |
| 01:15:12 | sig | they add two extra apps per line |
| 01:15:17 | sig | than the sharp |
| 01:15:37 | sig | I want sharp make users able to add backgrounds |
| 01:15:45 | ljp | I'm just experimenting with spacing |
| 01:15:59 | sig | can the sharp do spacing? |
| 01:16:22 | ljp | no |
| 01:16:30 | sig | lame |
| 01:16:31 | sig | hah |
| 01:16:35 | ljp | neither ca nopie |
| 01:16:40 | ljp | can opie, even |
| 01:16:56 | sig | maybe sharp will add some cool shit in their next ROM |
| 01:17:21 | ljp | ha right |
| 01:17:27 | JasonNJ-home | lol |
| 01:17:51 | JasonNJ-home | "cool shit" is sort of low on the list at the moment |
| 01:18:04 | ljp | just wanted to get some reactions on a tighter spacing scheme |
| 01:18:26 | JasonNJ-home | ljp: what I would like to see is the "small icon" view that Palm has |
| 01:19:34 | ljp | actually thats what my intentions are.. I dont have a palm, but I hate huge icons |
| 01:20:18 | sig | actually i like that close spacing ljp |
| 01:20:22 | sig | I like it a lot |
| 01:20:51 | sig | I just wish sharp would pop in background able shit and the spacing as well |
| 01:20:55 | sig | cheap bastards |
| 01:20:56 | sig | hehehe |
| 01:21:11 | jmh|nwn | heh |
| 01:21:20 | JasonNJ-home | sig: there are a lot of things on the list for future enhancements |
| 01:21:31 | sig | JasonNJ-home: like what? |
| 01:21:34 | sig | i want to know |
| 01:21:54 | jmh|nwn | hm.. quick? should i go to the region with zombies and help the poor section of the town? or go over to the area with the escaped prisoners and help the guardsmen and figure out why the warden let them out? |
| 01:22:00 | JasonNJ-home | I have an excel spreadsheet 20 pages long that specifies all the things product planning and engineering wants in the OS |
| 01:22:00 | jmh|nwn | cant decide |
| 01:22:11 | ljp | sig: thats what oz is for.. we dont have any huge 60,000 unit contracts to worry abour messing up |
| 01:22:15 | jmh|nwn | :) |
| 01:22:45 | JasonNJ-home | OZ was intended to be a proving ground for all kinds of bleeding edge stuff |
| 01:23:02 | JasonNJ-home | the whole point is you have a CHOICE |
| 01:23:05 | sig | JasonNJ-home: does oz support all the ir shit? |
| 01:23:08 | sig | beaming and receiving? |
| 01:23:11 | JasonNJ-home | you can run the Sharp rom or you can run OZ |
| 01:23:19 | JasonNJ-home | sig: i beleive it does now |
| 01:23:23 | sig | hmm |
| 01:23:40 | sig | I'll have to back all my shit up before i try |
| 01:24:05 | JasonNJ-home | I think kergoth was going to release 10.3 shortly |
| 01:24:09 | JasonNJ-home | so I would wait until he does |
| 01:24:10 | sig | can i backup from a sharp ROM and restore to the oz ROM? |
| 01:24:22 | JasonNJ-home | havent tried that |
| 01:24:33 | sig | cause i have an assload of addresses |
| 01:24:41 | JasonNJ-home | dont think OZ has a backup/restore tool built in |
| 01:24:51 | sig | JasonNJ-home: well that sucks |
| 01:24:51 | sig | hah |
| 01:25:05 | JasonNJ-home | however |
| 01:25:10 | sig | what about wifi? |
| 01:25:13 | JasonNJ-home | I would download the one benmeyer did |
| 01:25:15 | ljp | why.. there's a great backup app at zsi that works |
| 01:25:17 | JasonNJ-home | on killefiz |
| 01:25:25 | JasonNJ-home | and then backup and restore from that |
| 01:25:32 | lowkey | copy the data file to another system. install oz. install datebook. |
| 01:25:36 | lowkey | move file back. |
| 01:25:38 | lowkey | no problem |
| 01:25:40 | sig | wErd |
| 01:25:47 | JasonNJ-home | sig: OZ has better wifi than the sharp rom |
| 01:25:53 | sig | hmm |
| 01:26:00 | JasonNJ-home | I'm looking to implement that software in the next Zaurus OS rev |
| 01:26:05 | sig | feels like he is being peer pressured |
| 01:26:11 | sig | hehe |
| 01:26:26 | lowkey | pressures sig.....wus! |
| 01:26:31 | sig | heh |
| 01:26:34 | JasonNJ-home | OZ is not pefect but it is quite the hackers rom |
| 01:26:36 | lowkey | i'm going to do it as soon as it available |
| 01:26:46 | sig | does the OZ work with intellisync ? |
| 01:26:50 | JasonNJ-home | yes |
| 01:26:55 | lowkey | it has a fix for my linksys issue. |
| 01:26:56 | sig | ooh |
| 01:27:18 | sig | JasonNJ-home: does it use the same intellisync cd software that comes with the z? |
| 01:27:24 | JasonNJ-home | yes |
| 01:27:24 | sig | or do i need to dl something else? |
| 01:27:28 | sig | sweet |
| 01:27:30 | JasonNJ-home | but I would download the one on myzaurus |
| 01:27:33 | sig | I'll wait for 10.3 |
| 01:27:34 | JasonNJ-home | cause that is much newer |
| 01:27:46 | lowkey | sig: you need to download the intelisync stuff |
| 01:27:49 | JasonNJ-home | sig: in the meantime you should upgrade to the newest sharp rom |
| 01:27:54 | JasonNJ-home | 2.37 |
| 01:27:55 | sig | that .iso updatecd is borked |
| 01:28:01 | lowkey | 10.3! |
| 01:28:03 | sig | i am runnig 2.37 now |
| 01:28:32 | sig | JasonNJ-home: yeah, i updated the intellisync app |
| 01:28:46 | sig | but first i tried the updatecd.iso and it was b0rked |
| 01:28:52 | sig | made two coasters |
| 01:28:54 | sig | :( |
| 01:29:19 | sig | and i burned qnx for a friend right after that worked |
| 01:29:31 | sig | JasonNJ-home: have you seen the qnx pda sshots? |
| 01:29:50 | sig | http://qnxzone.com/eQip/screenshots/index.html |
| 01:31:18 | lowkey | nice looking but how many apps |
| 01:31:29 | sig | not sure, my friend that runs qnx showed me that |
| 01:31:43 | sig | I think qnx blows, but thats my opinion |
| 01:31:51 | sig | I tried it out at his house |
| 01:32:08 | lowkey | i just want to get back to oz. |
| 01:32:24 | sig | why lowkey? |
| 01:32:32 | lowkey | its so much better. |
| 01:32:32 | sig | why don't you just wait for 10.3? |
| 01:32:45 | lowkey | i am waiting for 10.3, just impatient |
| 01:32:49 | sig | what is the site to oz? |
| 01:33:02 | lowkey | openzaurus.sourceforge.net |
| 01:34:36 | lowkey | nothing new posted yet..... |
| 01:34:38 | sig | OpenZaurus |
| 01:34:38 | sig | |
| 01:34:38 | sig | 3.0 [Beta 10] |
| 01:35:03 | sig | that is the lates |
| 01:35:07 | sig | latest |
| 01:35:13 | sig | and it is going to jump to 10.3? |
| 01:35:17 | lowkey | i need 10.3 because my linksys cf card doesn't work in 10 but kergoth thinks its patched in 10.3 so... |
| 01:35:25 | lowkey | yep |
| 01:35:29 | sig | weird |
| 01:35:39 | lowkey | nah |
| 01:35:46 | roge99_laptop | lowkey: im running a liksys in oz 10.3 |
| 01:35:53 | roge99_laptop | linksys even |
| 01:36:02 | lowkey | roge99_laptop: cool |
| 01:36:16 | lowkey | roge99_laptop: did yours work in 10? |
| 01:36:21 | sig | i want to smack out a sisinfo so bad |
| 01:36:22 | sig | hehehe |
| 01:36:33 | sig | lowkey: you should start joining my channel here on opn |
| 01:36:36 | sig | #linuxdojo |
| 01:36:42 | roge99_laptop | emmm ... dont remember ... |
| 01:36:48 | lowkey | sig: i'll consider it. |
| 01:36:52 | sig | heh |
| 01:36:56 | roge99_laptop | ive been runing oz since january |
| 01:36:59 | sig | a few people you know hang there i think |
| 01:37:11 | sig | I've had my z for 3 months now |
| 01:37:13 | foldingpaper | has anyone been able to use the new 3.37 ROM? |
| 01:37:18 | foldingpaper | 2 |
| 01:37:21 | sig | you mean 2.37 |
| 01:37:24 | sig | I'm using it now |
| 01:37:27 | KhensU | sure |
| 01:37:32 | sig | have been since the second day its been out |
| 01:37:33 | lowkey | roge99_laptop: yeah mine was broken in 10, prism2 module would load then unload itself. |
| 01:37:49 | foldingpaper | i`m been having problems installing it. |
| 01:37:58 | sig | foldingpaper: what kind of problems? |
| 01:38:05 | sig | how are you installing it/ |
| 01:38:05 | lowkey | roge99_laptop: i had to go back to the sharp rom so i could have network access. |
| 01:38:06 | sig | ? |
| 01:38:07 | roge99_laptop | hrm .... dont remember that problem |
| 01:38:16 | lowkey | i've really been looking forward to 10.3 |
| 01:38:22 | foldingpaper | errors such as "corrupted package" and "not enough memory" |
| 01:38:31 | roge99_laptop | i rememver when kergoth stripped the modules in 2.5 :-) |
| 01:38:31 | lowkey | roge99_laptop: ok and it only happens on some linksys cards. |
| 01:38:34 | foldingpaper | but I dont have a thing installed on it |
| 01:38:42 | lowkey | early ones worked find. |
| 01:38:42 | foldingpaper | I just got it today. |
| 01:38:43 | sig | foldingpaper: well do you have 17mb of space left on your zaurus internally? |
| 01:38:45 | lowkey | err find |
| 01:38:47 | lowkey | err fine |
| 01:38:49 | lowkey | lol |
| 01:38:56 | sig | foldingpaper: how are you updating it? |
| 01:39:07 | sig | through the cradle and win32 machine? |
| 01:39:12 | foldingpaper | via the installation program. |
| 01:39:13 | lowkey | but after a certain point linksys made a suttle change that screwed everything up. |
| 01:39:21 | foldingpaper | sig: yeah |
| 01:39:23 | roge99_laptop | ahh i have a rev 1 card |
| 01:39:26 | sig | the seteupz.exe? |
| 01:39:26 | lowkey | sharp had to patch and so did oz. it should be in 10.3 |
| 01:39:32 | foldingpaper | sig: right |
| 01:39:44 | roge99_laptop | right .. i remember that |
| 01:39:48 | sig | re download the setupz.exe |
| 01:39:55 | sig | also update your setupi.exe |
| 01:39:58 | foldingpaper | sig: I have - like 3 times |
| 01:39:59 | roge99_laptop | that was about the time of java-one |
| 01:40:02 | sig | run that setupi.exe twice |
| 01:40:15 | foldingpaper | sig: did that too |
| 01:40:17 | lowkey | roge99_laptop: yeah i got one of the messed up cards |
| 01:40:18 | sig | hmm |
| 01:40:30 | sig | foldingpaper: you have the power plugged into the cradle and the lights are on? |
| 01:40:33 | foldingpaper | sig: and this is my second Z |
| 01:40:35 | jmh|nwn | ok gtg pizza :) |
| 01:40:46 | sig | foldingpaper: why # 2? |
| 01:40:56 | foldingpaper | sig: no lights are on - battery charged |
| 01:41:13 | sig | well it has to have the power plugged into the cradle though |
| 01:41:21 | sig | then click seteupz.exe |
| 01:41:28 | foldingpaper | sig: b/c I thought there was a problem w/ my 1st one b/c it was doing the same thing |
| 01:41:40 | sig | hmm, prolly no problem |
| 01:41:51 | sig | does it act like it is updating it? |
| 01:41:54 | foldingpaper | yeah, power is plugged in |
| 01:41:58 | sig | then tells you error? |
| 01:42:15 | sig | one sec |
| 01:42:28 | foldingpaper | yeah, once the updater starts working on my Z, it goes for a bit, tells me to click Update, then goues south. |
| 01:42:36 | sig | hmm |
| 01:42:41 | sig | you say yes on your z right? |
| 01:42:45 | sig | when the prompt comes up |
| 01:42:48 | foldingpaper | right |
| 01:42:52 | foldingpaper | yes then update |
| 01:42:55 | sig | then what |
| 01:43:03 | sig | what does it do exactly? |
| 01:43:17 | foldingpaper | then "not enough RAM" and... |
| 01:43:28 | foldingpaper | let me try it and I can tell you exact error message |
| 01:43:35 | sig | foldingpaper: ok |
| 01:43:46 | sig | make sure you have enough memory first though in info |
| 01:44:54 | sig | your possitive that your pc and z can send files back and forth? |
| 01:44:55 | sig | right |
| 01:45:04 | foldingpaper | yeup |
| 01:45:05 | sig | just to clear the connection issue |
| 01:45:16 | sig | and your not moving it out of the cradle |
| 01:45:20 | foldingpaper | nope |
| 01:45:41 | sig | maybe its your win32 comp that is corrupting the setupz.exe? |
| 01:45:46 | foldingpaper | ok - right now I have 29 meg free |
| 01:45:53 | sig | you could always try the OPSTACK |
| 01:46:11 | sig | weird |
| 01:46:34 | sig | is there a way for you to mv theat OPSTACK image to a cf card? |
| 01:46:41 | foldingpaper | ok - its doing its thing - now we wait for a min =) |
| 01:46:46 | sig | k |
| 01:47:03 | foldingpaper | sure - I go to the comp. store and buy one |
| 01:47:22 | sig | nah |
| 01:47:39 | sig | have you restarted your win32 machine? |
| 01:47:39 | foldingpaper | ok |
| 01:47:43 | sig | did it work? |
| 01:48:00 | foldingpaper | I hit "YES" |
| 01:48:04 | sig | k |
| 01:48:06 | foldingpaper | Update |
| 01:48:19 | foldingpaper | now |
| 01:48:34 | foldingpaper | "Image file for updating are damaged" |
| 01:48:40 | sig | hmm |
| 01:48:50 | foldingpaper | "the me is verry low. app foced to terminate" |
| 01:49:06 | sig | wtf |
| 01:49:07 | sig | weird |
| 01:49:11 | foldingpaper | and now |
| 01:49:15 | foldingpaper | i look at RAM use |
| 01:49:16 | sig | you haven't downloaded anything to your z huh |
| 01:49:26 | foldingpaper | 13.4 meg free |
| 01:49:45 | sig | thats not enough |
| 01:49:55 | sig | what apps have you put on there? |
| 01:49:56 | foldingpaper | i`m short by 4 megs |
| 01:50:10 | sig | yeah, tell me what apps you put on your z after you got it? |
| 01:50:12 | foldingpaper | nothing new. just stock install |
| 01:50:31 | sig | go to install/remove apps in tools |
| 01:50:41 | sig | click add/remove and see if there is anything in there |
| 01:51:01 | foldingpaper | "qpe-appROM" |
| 01:51:04 | foldingpaper | only thing |
| 01:51:16 | sig | qpe-appROM ? |
| 01:51:18 | sig | wtf is that? |
| 01:51:42 | foldingpaper | the package the the PC installer installs |
| 01:51:48 | sig | no |
| 01:51:51 | sig | remove that |
| 01:51:54 | foldingpaper | ok |
| 01:52:02 | sig | then look at your mem again |
| 01:52:20 | sig | reboot your z after that |
| 01:52:41 | foldingpaper | 13.4 meg free still |
| 01:52:46 | sig | wtf |
| 01:52:56 | sig | do you have a terminal installed ? |
| 01:53:04 | foldingpaper | no |
| 01:53:07 | sig | damn |
| 01:53:12 | foldingpaper | i can install it |
| 01:53:12 | sig | this is wacked |
| 01:53:15 | sig | wait |
| 01:53:54 | foldingpaper | *rebooting Z* |
| 01:53:56 | sig | k |
| 01:54:01 | sig | check it again after reboot |
| 01:54:34 | foldingpaper | 13.4 |
| 01:54:41 | sig | something is jacked then |
| 01:54:55 | sig | I have an assload of apps installed to RAM and i still have 17mb left |
| 01:55:25 | foldingpaper | what were you going to asay about the CF thing |
| 01:55:32 | sig | oh |
| 01:55:34 | sig | well |
| 01:55:34 | KhensU | 17! |
| 01:55:44 | sig | you can alsow update the z with the OPSTAXK |
| 01:55:46 | sig | errr |
| 01:55:51 | sig | OPSTACK |
| 01:56:08 | sig | by moving that image to your cf cards root directory |
| 01:56:16 | sig | but you'll still need 17mb free |
| 01:56:20 | sig | or it won't ever boot again |
| 01:56:20 | foldingpaper | where do i get instructions? |
| 01:56:22 | sig | heh |
| 01:56:24 | foldingpaper | lol |
| 01:56:32 | sig | http://www.myzaurus.com/ROMupdate3.asp |
| 01:56:42 | sig | its under zaurus ROM update program |
| 01:56:52 | sig | System ROM Update for Mac and Linux Users |
| 01:56:53 | sig | Note: The system ROM update process will require a 32MB or larger CF memory card. The CF card must have the FAT16 format. |
| 01:57:01 | sig | Download the OSPACK file (below) to a directory on your PC. |
| 01:57:01 | sig | Transfer this file from your PC to the root directory of your CF card. |
| 01:57:10 | sig | you'll see it |
| 01:57:16 | sig | read over those instructions again |
| 01:57:17 | sig | hey |
| 01:57:28 | sig | send me a screenshot of your system memory |
| 01:57:37 | sig | sup killefiz_ |
| 01:57:47 | foldingpaper | ok |
| 01:57:50 | foldingpaper | how? lol |
| 01:58:06 | sig | you'll need the opie-screenshot app |
| 01:58:10 | foldingpaper | ok |
| 01:58:13 | sig | one sec, i'll get you the link |
| 01:58:27 | foldingpaper | ok =) |
| 01:58:42 | sig | http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=112 |
| 02:00:32 | sig | failed chowning /opt/Qtopia to 0:0: No such file or directory at /usr/share/perl5/Alien/Package/Rpm.pm line 198, <GETPERMS> line 1. |
| 02:00:35 | sig | damn, that sucks |
| 02:01:18 | foldingpaper | how do I send you a file over IRC |
| 02:01:33 | sig | dcc |
| 02:01:37 | foldingpaper | ok |
| 02:01:41 | sig | what irc program are you using? |
| 02:01:49 | foldingpaper | XiRCON |
| 02:01:56 | sig | damn don't know about that one |
| 02:02:01 | sig | you can email it to me |
| 02:02:07 | sig | jdh99@earthlink.net |
| 02:02:50 | sig | aer you behind a router? |
| 02:03:10 | sig | i can't accept them |
| 02:03:11 | sig | email them |
| 02:03:14 | foldingpaper | ok |
| 02:04:28 | foldingpaper | and off they go |
| 02:04:32 | sig | k |
| 02:05:04 | sig | says free 2793kb |
| 02:05:20 | sig | oh, i see |
| 02:05:32 | sig | that is weird |
| 02:05:53 | foldingpaper | =\ |
| 02:06:00 | sig | and you are suer you have nothing else installed? |
| 02:06:05 | sig | what i would do it |
| 02:06:06 | sig | is |
| 02:06:11 | sig | reset your z |
| 02:06:17 | foldingpaper | i got it today out of the plastic. lol |
| 02:06:28 | sig | yeah, that is jacked up foldingpaper |
| 02:06:35 | sig | something isn't right |
| 02:06:40 | sig | and the other one you had did that too? |
| 02:06:48 | foldingpaper | yeah |
| 02:06:53 | sig | hm |
| 02:06:55 | sig | hmm |
| 02:07:01 | foldingpaper | i told bestbuy the mem broke. lol |
| 02:07:12 | sig | I'd go back and tell them that again |
| 02:07:17 | sig | first try a full reset |
| 02:09:20 | foldingpaper | ok |
| 02:09:28 | foldingpaper | i did a full reset |
| 02:09:30 | sig | ok |
| 02:09:34 | sig | now look at mem again |
| 02:09:52 | foldingpaper | ive done so many resets i dont set the time anymore |
| 02:09:53 | foldingpaper | lol |
| 02:09:58 | sig | heh |
| 02:10:03 | sig | you can do that later |
| 02:10:08 | roge99_laptop | foldingpaper: what is the problem your having ? |
| 02:10:15 | sig | and you've made sure it has charged fully |
| 02:10:40 | sig | roge99_laptop: it says he only has 13megs of memory and it is totally stock, he just got it today |
| 02:10:46 | sig | so he can't update to 2.37 ROM |
| 02:11:27 | roge99_laptop | if you do a df -k what do you get |
| 02:11:32 | foldingpaper | storage -> 29 meg |
| 02:11:42 | foldingpaper | let me install the console |
| 02:12:26 | sig | he doesn't have a terminal installed |
| 02:12:30 | sig | oh |
| 02:12:30 | sig | heh |
| 02:12:47 | roge99_laptop | go get embedded-konsole |
| 02:13:51 | sig | well I'm off, |
| 02:13:54 | sig | I'll bbl |
| 02:13:56 | sig | drunk probably |
| 02:13:58 | sig | hehe |
| 02:14:05 | foldingpaper | lol |
| 02:14:06 | sig | is away |drinking| |
| 02:14:10 | foldingpaper | thanks so much sig |
| 02:14:21 | sig | foldingpaper: sorry about your problems dude |
| 02:14:25 | sig | hope you get it fixed |
| 02:14:33 | foldingpaper | roge99 - i`m working on finding it |
| 02:14:37 | foldingpaper | thanks! |
| 02:14:39 | sig | roge99_laptop: should be able to help |
| 02:14:44 | sig | bbl |
| 02:18:21 | foldingpaper | roge99: ok i did a df -k |
| 02:18:47 | roge99_laptop | so what you got |
| 02:19:13 | foldingpaper | ram: 57% use |
| 02:19:36 | roge99_laptop | ?? |
| 02:19:46 | foldingpaper | no - wrong |
| 02:19:51 | roge99_laptop | foldingpaper: do you get somthing like |
| 02:20:00 | roge99_laptop | # df -k |
| 02:20:01 | roge99_laptop | Filesystem 1k-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on |
| 02:20:01 | roge99_laptop | /dev/mtdblock4 14464 12440 2024 86% / |
| 02:20:01 | roge99_laptop | /dev/mtdblock6 6076 30 6046 0% /mnt/ram |
| 02:20:01 | roge99_laptop | /dev/mmcda1 60093 21401 35589 38% /mnt/card |
| 02:20:25 | roge99_laptop | although your numbers will be different this is from a 5000D |
| 02:20:58 | roge99_laptop | hey ljp how goes it |
| 02:21:35 | foldingpaper | err... i`m all frustrated with this junk. i need to get going. thanks for your help! |
| 02:22:15 | W|GGL|T | is bored |
| 02:22:26 | treke|home | go code something |
| 02:22:44 | W|GGL|T | isn't a coder |
| 02:22:47 | ljp | okie dokie |
| 02:23:07 | W|GGL|T | i suppose i could do some html |
| 02:38:05 | W|GGL|T | http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/invboard/index.php?act=ST&f=9&t=2089&s=f48d339620a554ee0e6822530e345729 |
| 02:49:40 | W|GGL|T | crrrrrap |
| 02:49:58 | W|GGL|T | forgot to put batteries in my visor |
| 02:50:01 | W|GGL|T | lost its data |
| 03:02:10 | NeoTron | oh god on earth please tell me this is not why rocketelite failed!!! |
| 03:02:19 | NeoTron | IT IS!!!! |
| 03:02:37 | NeoTron | I have a non-static global variable called kill... |
| 03:02:41 | NeoTron | it tried to call that as a method |
| 03:02:44 | NeoTron | like DOH! |
| 03:03:22 | lowkey | nite all |
| 03:07:55 | ljp | ha! thats funny |
| 03:08:35 | NeoTron | in retrospect, it's very funny. :P |
| 03:13:03 | NeoTron | hard one to find tho |
| 03:18:14 | jmh|nwn | back! |
| 03:18:18 | jmh|nwn | mmm. pizza good |
| 04:08:00 | jmh|nwn | stupid cultists.. |
| 04:09:34 | sig | jmh|nwn: sup |
| 04:10:01 | sig | did foldingpaper fix his problem? |
| 04:11:11 | sig | W|GGL|T: you around |
| 04:11:40 | W|GGL|T | yeah |
| 04:11:46 | W|GGL|T | fucking with my visor |
| 04:12:02 | sig | heh |
| 04:12:14 | W|GGL|T | forgot to replace the batteries and lost all the data |
| 04:12:15 | sig | got my #4 working like a charm |
| 04:12:21 | sig | oh, that sucks |
| 04:13:41 | sig | i wonder if there is any sisinfo scripts for zic |
| 04:13:45 | sig | for like the z system info |
| 04:13:47 | sig | like this one |
| 04:13:49 | sig | I'm using Linux 2.4.18: CPU Model: AMD Athlon(tm) Processor ° CPU Speed: 1009.016 MHz ° RAM Usage: 170/899M 14[4|15|||||||||14] ° DiskSpace: 126G with 96G Free ° Screen Resolution: 1600x1200 ° Number of process: 65 ° Uptime: 22:18:47 up 3 days, 8:45, 4 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 ° Data Transfered: In: 0.00M Out: 0.00M ¤ M[X]S |
| 04:14:09 | W|GGL|T | damn |
| 04:14:23 | W|GGL|T | you're evidently not using xchat |
| 04:14:24 | W|GGL|T | heh |
| 04:14:24 | sig | huh? |
| 04:14:32 | W|GGL|T | windows? |
| 04:14:34 | sig | why do you say that |
| 04:14:51 | sig | I'm usin xchat |
| 04:14:51 | W|GGL|T | that's an xchat script? |
| 04:14:56 | sig | no its not |
| 04:15:00 | sig | 14Sysinfo:9 Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 Linux 2.4.1814| CPU:9 AMD Athlon(tm) Processor @ 1009.016 mhz14| Res:9 1600x1200 pixels 14/w9 24, 14bit gfx | Mem usage:9 74614 of9 878 14mb9 (84%)14 | Swap usage:(9 114 of9 179114 mb9 (0%)9 14| Disk usage():9 23.914 of9 129.714 gb 9(18%)14| Local Time:9 22:19:58 PDT14 Uptime:9 3 days 8:46 hours14| Users:9 314 Load:9 0.0714| wlan0 IN:9 0.00M 14 OUT:9 0.00M 14| X-chat:9 1 |
| 04:15:01 | sig | 8.9 |
| 04:15:03 | sig | this one is fucked up |
| 04:15:16 | sig | memory shit is all jacked, I'm going to fix it tonight maybe |
| 04:15:20 | W|GGL|T | how are you doing all that? |
| 04:15:22 | sig | if im not too drunk |
| 04:15:29 | sig | perl scripts |
| 04:15:34 | W|GGL|T | lol...don't hack and drink |
| 04:15:47 | sig | W|GGL|T: thats why i said if im not too drunk |
| 04:15:48 | sig | hehehe |
| 04:15:58 | sig | I'm done now, so i'll be good |
| 04:16:21 | W|GGL|T | i did that before and fucked up alot of stuff :o) |
| 04:16:28 | sig | lol, who hasn't |
| 04:16:48 | sig | one sec |
| 04:17:10 | sig | you'll like this one |
| 04:17:12 | W|GGL|T | someone who doesn't drink :oP |
| 04:17:20 | sig | is playing [ George Thorogood - One Bourbon, One Scotch,... ] ¤ M[X]S |
| 04:17:30 | sig | reads off of what xmms is playing too |
| 04:17:58 | sig | heh, funny, you said windows... hehehe |
| 04:18:03 | sig | I don't use that poop |
| 04:18:05 | sig | hehehe |
| 04:19:31 | sig | debian:/home/sig# apt-get remove --purge mq3 |
| 04:19:35 | sig | stupid program |
| 04:30:02 | sig | where did everyone go? |
| 04:31:12 | ][N-Flux | is away: Bed... |
| 04:31:27 | W|GGL|T | i'm still here |
| 04:31:41 | sig_Zaurus | what are you doing tonight? |
| 04:31:59 | sig_Zaurus | damn vnc is nice on the hands |
| 04:32:00 | W|GGL|T | still screwing with the visor |
| 04:32:07 | W|GGL|T | reinstalling all those damn apps |
| 04:32:13 | sig_Zaurus | that sucks |
| 04:32:19 | sig_Zaurus | I just did that today with this |
| 04:32:21 | W|GGL|T | yeah, i know |
| 04:32:27 | sig_Zaurus | hehehe |
| 04:32:42 | sig_Zaurus | who is the developer for 'zic'? |
| 04:32:51 | W|GGL|T | i dunno |
| 04:32:56 | W|GGL|T | brb....need a smoke |
| 04:32:57 | sig_Zaurus | i want to know if there are perl system info scripts out |
| 04:33:29 | roge99_laptop | sig_Zaurus: write one |
| 04:33:38 | sig_Zaurus | I'm looking at it now |
| 04:42:28 | sig | lol |
| 04:42:56 | sig | anyone want to see a funny ass mpeg of a dude getting knocked on his ass from a huge gun?? hehehehehe |
| 04:47:18 | W|GGL|T | 'oh great...a talking gecko' |
| 04:47:19 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 04:47:25 | sig | huh |
| 04:47:27 | sig | heh |
| 04:48:56 | mdz_ | does anyone have source code for the oncheck utility, or have specs for it? |
| 04:49:24 | sig | specs for what? |
| 04:49:35 | mdz_ | /sbin/oncheck |
| 04:49:52 | mdz_ | the API that it uses |
| 04:49:55 | sig | http://tigger.smu.edu.sg/software/zaurus/openzaurus/cvs/buildroot-oz/sources/rootfs_files.txt |
| 04:50:21 | mdz_ | sig: ? |
| 04:50:21 | W|GGL|T | man, i've been using the Z long enough to where i dunno exactly how to get my visor back to the way it was |
| 04:50:22 | W|GGL|T | grrr |
| 04:50:44 | sig | hah |
| 04:50:53 | mdz_ | sig: I need to know how it works |
| 04:50:58 | sig | man it |
| 04:52:40 | W|GGL|T | gonna hit the bed soon |
| 04:52:47 | sig | weeny |
| 04:53:09 | W|GGL|T | wait until you have kids, THEN say that |
| 04:53:09 | W|GGL|T | heh |
| 04:53:14 | sig | haha |
| 04:53:26 | sig | tkcftp crashed |
| 04:53:27 | sig | lol |
| 04:53:28 | sig | shitty |
| 04:53:37 | sig | lame |
| 05:04:47 | sig | anyone use opie-ftp? |
| 05:05:27 | sig | it is freezing my z |
| 05:11:03 | W|GGL|T | i haven't gotten opie-ftp to work with my Z yet |
| 05:12:14 | jmh|nwn | whew |
| 05:12:15 | jmh|nwn | damn .. |
| 05:12:20 | jmh|nwn | man this game ROCKS |
| 05:13:12 | W|GGL|T | what game? |
| 05:13:50 | sig | W|GGL|T: yeah opieftp crashes my shit |
| 05:15:29 | jmhodges | heya |
| 05:15:51 | sig | ok, tkcftp is a piece of shit too |
| 05:15:52 | sig | lol |
| 05:15:55 | jmhodges | lol |
| 05:16:02 | sig | heh |
| 05:16:34 | sig | does 'path' have to be specified? |
| 05:17:18 | sig | FTP-WWW server ready |
| 05:17:21 | sig | Your disk quota is: 10.00 megabytes |
| 05:17:21 | sig | Your disk usage is: 1.21 megabytes (12.14% of quota) |
| 05:17:31 | sig | ok, |
| 05:17:38 | sig | well other programs can get in |
| 05:17:41 | sig | but not tkcftp |
| 05:17:46 | sig | gives it a boner down |
| 05:18:09 | sig | hmm |
| 05:18:14 | sig | well now it is working |
| 05:18:15 | sig | wtf |
| 05:18:39 | jmhodges | wtf? gives it a boner down? |
| 05:18:44 | sig | lol |
| 05:18:46 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 05:18:55 | jmhodges | slaps sig with a large trout from a great distance |
| 05:19:01 | jmhodges | sicko |
| 05:19:03 | sig | hahaha |
| 05:19:05 | jmhodges | ;) |
| 05:21:01 | sig | heh |
| 05:24:12 | W|GGL|T | nice to see the Z mail list slowed down... |
| 05:24:18 | W|GGL|T | it was killing my inbox |
| 05:25:14 | sig | heh |
| 05:25:15 | roge99_laptop | W|GGL|T: i have a filter set up to dump into its own folder |
| 05:25:17 | sig | I rm'd that |
| 05:25:33 | jmhodges | W|GGL|T: what was happening? |
| 05:25:38 | roge99_laptop | i have 4408 unread messages in it now |
| 05:25:41 | jmhodges | hey! is the new ROM up? |
| 05:25:42 | jmhodges | ! |
| 05:25:46 | sig | wonderful, tkcftp works about for one session then crashes and won't work until a reboot |
| 05:26:02 | W|GGL|T | roge99_laptop: good idea |
| 05:26:02 | jmhodges | is the new oz rom up? |
| 05:26:14 | W|GGL|T | dunno |
| 05:26:16 | jmhodges | W|GGL|T: what was happening on the list? |
| 05:26:51 | jmhodges | nope not yet :/ |
| 05:26:55 | W|GGL|T | just someone complaining about the Z's faults |
| 05:27:18 | W|GGL|T | started a flood of messages |
| 05:31:59 | jmhodges | ick |
| 05:32:03 | jmhodges | not cool W|GGL|T |
| 05:32:20 | sig | http://home.earthlink.net/~jdh99/desktopshots/sc_22.53.12_Sat_Jul_13_2002.png |
| 05:32:27 | sig | finally got that shit to upload |
| 05:32:34 | jmhodges | man mirc sucks... i hit w\ just like normal and then tab completion and it wont finish your name W|GGL|T :) like schat can |
| 05:33:07 | jmhodges | xchat |
| 05:33:08 | jmhodges | cool sig |
| 05:33:12 | jmhodges | that tkcjabber? |
| 05:33:14 | sig | yeah |
| 05:33:23 | sig | thtas about all tkc is good for |
| 05:33:25 | jmhodges | decent |
| 05:33:26 | sig | is just the IM |
| 05:33:28 | jmhodges | hehe sig |
| 05:33:30 | sig | hehehe |
| 05:35:05 | sig | I don't mean to be bagging on tkc, but the apps suck |
| 05:35:14 | sig | ftp crashes all the damn time |
| 05:35:23 | sig | :( |
| 05:36:10 | jmhodges | :/ |
| 05:36:23 | sig | oh wellf |
| 05:36:29 | sig | s/wellf/well |
| 05:38:45 | NoRemorse | heya have there been any new versions of tkcJabber lately? |
| 05:41:04 | roge99_laptop | is away: ZzzzZzz |
| 05:44:56 | W|GGL|T | jmhodges: maybe it won't finish pipes |
| 05:45:02 | W|GGL|T | pipes in nicks |
| 05:45:58 | sig | I'm bored |
| 05:46:40 | jmhodges | i think it looks for both the letter you typed and the one you would get when you hit Shift and makes a tab completion out of that |
| 05:48:57 | W|GGL|T | hi Cloudchaser |
| 05:49:03 | W|GGL|T | cloud's up LATE! |
| 05:49:14 | jmhodges | hey Cloudchaser |
| 05:52:50 | W|GGL|T | an hour ago, i said i was going to bed |
| 05:52:52 | W|GGL|T | grrr |
| 05:54:08 | sig | gonna restart xchat, brb |
| 05:55:47 | sig | is playing [ Incubus - Under My Umbrella ] ¤ E=mc^2 |
| 05:55:52 | sig | this song rocks |
| 05:57:37 | jmhodges | i love that song |
| 05:57:45 | jmhodges | hehe W|GGL|T |
| 05:57:54 | jmhodges | hey XavierXeon! |
| 05:58:04 | XavierXeon | good morning :) |
| 05:58:05 | sig | jmhodges: yeah it rocks |
| 05:58:16 | sig | damnit |
| 05:58:21 | sig | I'm blocked from nvidia |
| 06:00:00 | jmhodges | why sig? |
| 06:00:04 | jmhodges | at work? |
| 06:00:06 | jmhodges | :) |
| 06:00:11 | sig | no idea |
| 06:00:14 | jmhodges | but.. why nvidia? |
| 06:00:16 | jmhodges | :( |
| 06:00:18 | jmhodges | hrm.. |
| 06:00:26 | sig | I've always been blocked from them |
| 06:02:54 | W|GGL|T | i didn't know queensryche resang 'dust in the wind' |
| 06:05:54 | sig | ok now I'm confused... |
| 06:06:05 | sjohnson | queensryche? Thats not a combination I'd make. |
| 06:06:37 | sig | I can connect to that site on the same router but with a win32 machine... but can't connect via any browser, even nonX ones.... I can ping the site, but not open it from a browser? |
| 06:07:40 | sjohnson | sig: can you telnet to port 80? |
| 06:07:51 | sig | sjohnson: to nvidia? |
| 06:08:02 | sjohnson | yes |
| 06:08:15 | sig | telnet www.nvidia.com 80 ? like that? |
| 06:08:34 | sjohnson | yes |
| 06:08:50 | sig | sig@debian:~/downloads$ telnet www.nvidia.com 8 |
| 06:08:50 | sig | Trying 209.213.198.80... |
| 06:08:55 | sig | just sits there |
| 06:09:26 | XavierXeon | sig: have you tried traceroute ? |
| 06:09:33 | sjohnson | your not getting a connection. |
| 06:09:36 | sig | no |
| 06:10:12 | sjohnson | packets are being dropped or dropped |
| 06:10:50 | sjohnson | er blocked |
| 06:11:42 | jmhodges | how can you find if its one or the other? |
| 06:12:29 | jmhodges | sig: you could always do some ssh tunneling :) |
| 06:12:42 | XavierXeon | tcpdump ???? (not sure) |
| 06:12:43 | sjohnson | packet capture. use tcpdump on the decktop |
| 06:13:00 | sig | I'm running traceroute now |
| 06:13:07 | sig | it isn't doing shit for me |
| 06:13:48 | sjohnson | no trace? |
| 06:14:06 | sig | weird, cause i can ping it |
| 06:14:33 | sig | sig@debian:~$ ping www.nvidia.com |
| 06:14:34 | sig | PING www.nvidia.com (209.213.198.80): 56 data bytes |
| 06:14:35 | sig | 64 bytes from 209.213.198.80: icmp_seq=0 ttl=241 time=40.0 ms |
| 06:14:37 | sig | 64 bytes from 209.213.198.80: icmp_seq=1 ttl=241 time=45.0 ms |
| 06:14:39 | sig | 64 bytes from 209.213.198.80: icmp_seq=2 ttl=241 time=43.1 ms |
| 06:14:44 | sjohnson | that sounds like a firewall issue |
| 06:14:53 | sig | hmm |
| 06:15:02 | XavierXeon | the site is definetly up, so it must be a problem in your route |
| 06:15:31 | sig | must be |
| 06:15:49 | sig | but not the router cause other machines on the router can connect, so it must be a linux firewall issue |
| 06:15:56 | sig | but it is default |
| 06:16:17 | sjohnson | if you can ping it from *nix box it's not a route problem |
| 06:17:00 | W|GGL|T | that queensryche version isn't bad...just listened to the unplugged version |
| 06:17:01 | sig | sjohnson: yeah, so it must be a firewall issure |
| 06:17:57 | XavierXeon | your linux box is behhind the router ? does your router have a firewall ? |
| 06:19:11 | sig | XavierXeon: its not my router cause my other comps on it can connect to it |
| 06:20:07 | XavierXeon | my question is : if it is YOUR router and it has a firewall, why have an extra firewall on your linux box ? |
| 06:21:34 | XavierXeon | but still : my ruter only allow access to port 22 from the outside and i can view the nvidia site. |
| 06:24:07 | W|GGL|T | http://zaurus.loveslinux.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=NS-Polls&file=index&req=results&pollID=7&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0 |
| 06:24:17 | W|GGL|T | wtf software topic are they talking about? |
| 06:24:24 | sjohnson | oh great. a car alarm is going off. a loud alarm |
| 06:24:47 | W|GGL|T | good thing you're already awake :o) |
| 06:27:47 | XavierXeon | the must be talking about the funny offensive one ? |
| 06:29:07 | XavierXeon | 4 red |
| 06:29:57 | XavierXeon | x-chat does stupid colors :) |
| 06:32:35 | W|GGL|T | 2I see |
| 06:33:22 | W|GGL|T | 4,1 test |
| 06:33:24 | W|GGL|T | hehe |
| 06:33:34 | XavierXeon | W|GGL|T: good choice of color ! your nick is the same blue ! |
| 06:33:46 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 06:34:24 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 06:34:30 | jmhodges | i see stupid colors.. |
| 06:34:45 | W|GGL|T | 8,3 heh |
| 06:34:49 | jmhodges | has changed the mirc background to grey cause the white hurts his eyes |
| 06:34:49 | W|GGL|T | ok...im done |
| 06:35:37 | W|GGL|T | i'd like to use a nice background graphic in my xchat window but it's hard to find one with the right coloring that won't conflict with the text |
| 06:36:00 | XavierXeon | http://home.arcor.de/xavierxeon section desktop shows my chat window |
| 06:37:28 | W|GGL|T | wow |
| 06:38:19 | W|GGL|T | hrmmm...ill use gimp to darken the pics in question |
| 06:38:36 | W|GGL|T | ok...my bed is calling me |
| 06:38:42 | XavierXeon | you just have to set the transperancy level to very dark (and you need a dark picture) |
| 06:39:23 | jmhodges | gnight W|GGL|T |
| 06:39:40 | XavierXeon | yeah, night |
| 06:39:44 | W|GGL|T | nite |
| 06:39:46 | W|GGL|T | is away: nite all |
| 06:40:24 | XavierXeon | has to tidy up his flat. its a real mess |
| 07:03:37 | jmhodges | aaaah |
| 07:03:41 | jmhodges | night folks |
| 07:03:45 | jmhodges | i beat the first boss |
| 07:03:48 | jmhodges | and i am happy.. |
| 07:03:50 | jmhodges | well.. |
| 07:03:53 | jmhodges | the kinda boss |
| 07:03:54 | jmhodges | :) |
| 07:04:26 | jmhodges | time to sleep the infomercials are on hardcore now :) |
| 07:04:28 | jmhodges | bye! |
| 07:04:39 | whardier | SNOOZETIME |
| 07:06:54 | siriusnova | sup |
| 07:07:14 | siriusnova | everyone sleeping? |
| 07:07:18 | sig | im here |
| 07:07:21 | siriusnova | heh |
| 07:07:24 | sig | siriusnova: you running linux right? |
| 07:07:39 | sig | if so can you 'nmap -P0' me ? |
| 07:07:40 | siriusnova | sig : freebsd |
| 07:07:52 | siriusnova | k |
| 07:08:00 | sig | and /msg me the results |
| 07:08:32 | siriusnova | i am on my Z atm. |
| 07:08:54 | siriusnova | sorry |
| 07:09:41 | sig | damn |
| 07:10:50 | siriusnova | zic doesn't support that stuff yet |
| 07:11:01 | siriusnova | :o( |
| 07:11:26 | XavierXeon | sig: i can do it |
| 07:11:43 | sig | k |
| 07:11:44 | sig | thank you |
| 07:11:50 | XavierXeon | ip ? |
| 07:11:59 | siriusnova | well I gotta get some sleep, nite |
| 07:12:23 | XavierXeon | is it user-2iniad0.dialup.mindspring.com |
| 07:12:31 | KhensU | I've done it |
| 07:13:09 | sig | XavierXeon: yup |
| 07:13:22 | sig | dude, should i close that netbios-ssn port down? |
| 07:14:41 | XavierXeon | is that a P"Zero" or P"Oh" |
| 07:15:02 | sig | zero |
| 07:15:18 | sig | 139/tcp open netbios-ssn |
| 07:15:24 | sig | should i close that up? |
| 07:15:27 | sig | does anyone know? |
| 07:15:51 | KhensU | do you need it open? |
| 07:16:00 | sig | what is it for? |
| 07:16:53 | sig | KhensUsee if you can connect to my machine now |
| 07:16:59 | sig | http://sig.ath.cx |
| 07:17:51 | XavierXeon | sig: i can not even ping you |
| 07:17:59 | sig | what |
| 07:18:32 | XavierXeon | ping user-2iniad0.dialup.mindspring.com -> can not reslov host name |
| 07:18:37 | sig | dude |
| 07:18:47 | sig | try to connect to http://sig.ath.cx |
| 07:18:54 | sig | 165.121.41.160 |
| 07:18:55 | KhensU | sig: yeah I can connect. |
| 07:19:15 | sig | KhensU: ok cool XavierXeon was scaring me there for a second |
| 07:19:39 | sig | i fixed all my problems now |
| 07:19:40 | sig | cool |
| 07:19:58 | XavierXeon | i can pping the ip, so it must be dns prob with my ISP |
| 07:20:17 | sig | maybe, i had that problem before |
| 07:20:23 | sig | are you using xdsl? |
| 07:20:45 | XavierXeon | do get an ip assigned to you on connection ? |
| 07:20:50 | sig | one time they changed the dns #'s and didn't bother telling me, so all my dns info was jackled |
| 07:21:02 | sig | XavierXeon: 10-4 |
| 07:21:26 | XavierXeon | don'T understand that |
| 07:24:05 | sig | this computer appears to be VERY SECURE since it is NOT exposing ANY of its internal NetBIOS networking protocol over the Internet. |
| 07:24:18 | sig | hah, http://www.grc.com |
| 07:24:34 | XavierXeon | sorry connection lost : neither ping nor traceroute to 165.121.41.160 work anymore |
| 07:24:49 | XavierXeon | wait i got it |
| 07:25:24 | XavierXeon | how do i open an extra window ? |
| 07:25:36 | sig | right click my name and open query |
| 07:29:25 | sig | well I'm going to bed |
| 07:29:29 | sig | cya all tomorrow |
| 07:29:31 | sig | :) |
| 07:30:02 | XavierXeon | night |
| 07:30:47 | sig | I still need to fix this wan0 crap with this script so it will read mb in and out totals |
| 07:31:00 | sig | so it will read it even when its behind a router |
| 07:53:08 | djax | Hi |
| 07:59:23 | nobse | ahoi |
| 07:59:45 | nobse | Can I use Liquid with Qtopia? |
| 08:01:29 | XavierXeon | nobse: no |
| 08:01:46 | nobse | XavierXeon: uhmz :( |
| 08:02:13 | XavierXeon | liquid works on opie though |
| 08:02:15 | zecke | nobse: no |
| 08:21:16 | NeoTron | let me tell you this: RocketElite is absolutely awesome |
| 08:23:39 | XavierXeon | NeoTron: haev you finished it ? |
| 08:25:48 | NeoTron | nope |
| 08:25:55 | NeoTron | networking left |
| 08:26:18 | XavierXeon | NeoTron: any screenshots ? |
| 08:27:29 | NeoTron | www.rocketelite.com should suffice |
| 08:28:02 | NeoTron | gravity type game, but mission based with various missions and lots of upgrades |
| 08:28:20 | NeoTron | anyhow, sleeo |
| 08:28:23 | NeoTron | is away: snooze |
| 08:51:15 | XavierXeon | hi Cloud |
| 11:06:48 | NetAmp | alloa |
| 11:06:56 | NetAmp | :) |
| 11:07:00 | XavierXeon | yo |
| 11:07:11 | Speedy2 | re |
| 11:07:15 | NetAmp | wb |
| 11:07:22 | Speedy2 | Thanks |
| 11:07:24 | Speedy2 | :) |
| 11:07:25 | Speedy2 | What's up |
| 11:07:26 | Speedy2 | ? |
| 11:07:33 | NetAmp | I'm dying for my Z ;) |
| 11:07:34 | NetAmp | hehehe |
| 11:07:49 | NetAmp | (bad huh, I'm a real gadget freak) |
| 11:08:04 | XavierXeon | NetAmp: no need for a Z when you're dead |
| 11:08:05 | Speedy2 | hrm |
| 11:08:09 | Speedy2 | Give me some of your old stuff |
| 11:08:09 | NetAmp | hah |
| 11:08:11 | NetAmp | lol |
| 11:08:47 | NetAmp | XavierXeon: It can accompany me in my grave ;) |
| 11:09:05 | XavierXeon | You should use before :) |
| 11:09:39 | NetAmp | yeah |
| 11:10:21 | Wembly | is back. What was going on ? [SZoff] |
| 11:12:13 | NetAmp | Guess who's gonna leave work early tomorrow ;) |
| 11:12:14 | NetAmp | ghehe |
| 11:13:00 | XavierXeon | So you already collected a large anount of ipks |
| 11:13:07 | NetAmp | yeah! |
| 11:13:15 | NetAmp | well... large... depends ;) |
| 11:13:28 | NetAmp | but I've collected some, especially games |
| 11:13:53 | XavierXeon | first thing you really need is a decent konsole |
| 11:14:05 | NetAmp | indeed! |
| 11:14:11 | XavierXeon | the one on the CD sucks |
| 11:14:14 | NetAmp | That's on the CD right? |
| 11:14:15 | NetAmp | ow... |
| 11:14:26 | NetAmp | so I need the EmbeddedKonsole thingy or..? |
| 11:15:02 | XavierXeon | look at zaurus sourceforge and get the embedded konsole with tabs or use the opie konsole |
| 11:15:55 | NetAmp | hm.. it doesn't seem to be in the ZSI |
| 11:16:27 | NetAmp | I already downloaded this one though: opie-embeddedkonsole_1.5.0-7 |
| 11:16:49 | XavierXeon | thats ok |
| 11:17:53 | XavierXeon | and of course you need ssh if you have a linux box ! |
| 11:23:44 | NetAmp | :D |
| 11:24:00 | NetAmp | and VNC ;) |
| 11:24:55 | XavierXeon | recommends making a backup bash script as well |
| 11:25:41 | NetAmp | in what way? |
| 11:25:46 | NetAmp | Should it copy /home? |
| 11:26:35 | XavierXeon | just tar.gz the /home directory (without swapfile) onto a card |
| 11:26:46 | NetAmp | ok :) |
| 11:26:55 | NetAmp | that shouldn't be too hard ;) |
| 11:27:36 | XavierXeon | no but it is very convinient if you have to do hard reset |
| 11:27:55 | NetAmp | true.. |
| 11:28:22 | NetAmp | I currently only have an 8MB SD |
| 11:28:40 | NetAmp | but I'll get a bigger one |
| 11:28:52 | XavierXeon | do you have linux or a windows pc ? |
| 11:28:58 | NetAmp | dual :) |
| 11:29:38 | XavierXeon | mount a nfs share onto the z and do a backup on the nfs dir. |
| 11:30:03 | NetAmp | hm good idea |
| 11:30:09 | XavierXeon | you then only need a small script on your pc which you can copy to your z after a reset |
| 11:30:24 | XavierXeon | the script should mount the nfs share and restore the backup |
| 11:30:28 | NetAmp | sweet :) |
| 11:40:00 | djax | Is it possible to flip the screen of the z by 90 degrees? |
| 11:40:19 | NetAmp | I believe so... |
| 11:40:31 | NetAmp | you can set it to "landscape" mode |
| 11:40:34 | djax | I want to read a pdf and would be nicer if i could flip the screen |
| 11:40:52 | NetAmp | I'm not sure which program does that :S |
| 11:40:57 | | NetAmp: i'm not following you... |
| 11:40:57 | NetAmp | ibot: flip |
| 11:40:57 | djax | hmm |
| 11:41:13 | ljp | rotate |
| 11:41:20 | | NetAmp: sorry... |
| 11:41:20 | NetAmp | ibot: rotate |
| 11:41:31 | XavierXeon | djax: you need qpe-rotation amd qt-embedded-rotation |
| 11:41:48 | ljp | you'll need two packages.. a rotate and a rotate-fonts or something |
| 11:41:53 | ljp | ya thats it |
| 11:42:13 | djax | Cool, I'll try |
| 11:42:14 | djax | thx |
| 11:42:45 | | ipkgfind is at http://ipkgfind.48ers.dk/ or at http://ipkgfind.handhelds.org |
| 11:42:45 | NetAmp | ibot: ipkgfind |
| 11:42:47 | NetAmp | :) |
| 11:43:12 | ljp | typing is a bitch when its rotated |
| 11:43:17 | NetAmp | hehe |
| 11:43:46 | NetAmp | but you can still use the onscreen input? |
| 11:44:20 | NetAmp | Maybe the next Z should implement hardware rotation ;) |
| 11:44:32 | djax | hmm |
| 11:45:04 | XavierXeon | it should have a foldable screen with 1600x1200 resolution |
| 11:45:28 | NetAmp | hah, that'd be cool :D |
| 11:45:54 | ljp | naaa it should be a 3d holographic screen |
| 11:46:08 | XavierXeon | djax: http://ipkgfind.handhelds.org/details.phtml?package=qpe-rotation&official=&format= and http://ipkgfind.handhelds.org/details.phtml?package=qt-embedded-rotation&official= |
| 11:46:21 | djax | XavierXeon: Thx |
| 11:46:45 | ljp | not sure how the touch screen would work if it was holographic |
| 11:47:04 | XavierXeon | telepathy |
| 11:47:14 | NetAmp | heh |
| 11:48:02 | ljp | you'd look at something and blink to selected it |
| 11:48:10 | NetAmp | :D |
| 11:50:23 | NetAmp | And you can transfer between your brain and flash/card |
| 11:50:36 | NetAmp | (ofcourse you should REALLY filter out viruses! ;) |
| 11:51:12 | Wembly | hehe |
| 11:51:16 | Wembly | the wonderful thing about viruses... |
| 11:51:25 | Wembly | its such a lose definition of what it is :) |
| 11:52:33 | XavierXeon | not palladium again ! |
| 11:52:44 | NetAmp | noooooooo |
| 11:53:02 | NetAmp | Microsoft's also trying to get money out of OpenGL licensing |
| 11:53:13 | NetAmp | those... clowns! |
| 11:53:16 | NetAmp | grrr |
| 11:53:42 | NetAmp | I wonder... would Bill have a Zaurus? ;) |
| 11:53:55 | XavierXeon | the interesting thing about the OpenGL microsoft claim is : |
| 11:54:20 | XavierXeon | they claimed to have a patent in june .... |
| 11:54:30 | XavierXeon | but they only got it in july |
| 11:54:38 | NetAmp | hah, stuuupid |
| 11:54:41 | ljp | patent pending |
| 11:59:12 | djax | By qpdf is there not a zoom between 50 and 75? |
| 11:59:20 | djax | 50 is too small and 75 too big. |
| 11:59:25 | NetAmp | :S |
| 11:59:41 | djax | ? |
| 11:59:42 | NetAmp | can't you just type in like 66%? |
| 11:59:50 | djax | Mom |
| 11:59:57 | NetAmp | or is it a default list.. |
| 12:01:49 | djax | Default List |
| 12:02:19 | ljp | try holding the Z away from your face a little hehe |
| 12:02:28 | ljp | :D |
| 12:02:43 | djax | ;) |
| 12:02:55 | NetAmp | :D |
| 12:03:33 | ljp | dont ya love thinking you found code to solve sometihng for you, only to find it has x86 asm |
| 12:03:43 | NetAmp | hehe |
| 12:04:04 | Wintre | Hm, what code, ljp? |
| 12:04:07 | XavierXeon | so you need x86 emulation on an arm processor |
| 12:05:14 | ljp | haha |
| 12:06:38 | XavierXeon | lets do a vmware for the z. it should probaly work with about 1 frame per day :) |
| 12:06:43 | ljp | oh, I just stumbled on 'float to int' code.. and its x86 asm |
| 12:07:25 | NetAmp | let's do an x86 to arm converter then :P |
| 12:07:32 | ljp | nothing major or anything I really need |
| 12:07:52 | ljp | its like finding 'c++' code and its really win32 |
| 12:14:15 | Speedy2 | x86 emulation on ARM would be BUTT slow |
| 12:15:36 | Speedy2 | heh |
| 12:15:53 | XavierXeon | is bored |
| 12:16:23 | Speedy2 | XavierXeon: Overclock something |
| 12:16:39 | ljp | overclock a zaurus |
| 12:16:48 | Speedy2 | NO |
| 12:16:50 | Speedy2 | DO NOT DO THAT |
| 12:16:55 | Speedy2 | OR I WILL PERSONALLY KICK YOUR BUTT |
| 12:17:07 | XavierXeon | i think i should overclock my fridge |
| 12:17:43 | Speedy2 | YES |
| 12:18:07 | Wembly | ahhhah |
| 12:18:09 | Wembly | why not? |
| 12:18:21 | Wembly | dont oc the zaurus? |
| 12:18:25 | Speedy2 | Yes |
| 12:18:25 | Speedy2 | Do not |
| 12:18:26 | Wembly | or dont emu the x86 |
| 12:18:29 | Wembly | why not? |
| 12:18:31 | Speedy2 | Do not overclock the Z |
| 12:18:34 | Speedy2 | Cause I said so goddamn it |
| 12:18:34 | Wembly | SArm cant handle it? |
| 12:18:45 | Wembly | or cus you wanta be the 1st to do it? ;) |
| 12:18:48 | Speedy2 | uhh |
| 12:18:49 | Speedy2 | I've done it |
| 12:18:51 | Speedy2 | :) |
| 12:18:56 | Speedy2 | It's writing a register |
| 12:19:00 | Speedy2 | PPCR ? I think |
| 12:19:01 | XavierXeon | what happened |
| 12:19:05 | Speedy2 | Well |
| 12:19:10 | Speedy2 | I went from 133Mhz to 142MHz |
| 12:19:11 | Speedy2 | So not a big jump |
| 12:19:13 | Wembly | or does the other hardware in there have problems. |
| 12:19:17 | Speedy2 | Yeah |
| 12:19:25 | Wembly | like memory corruption etc. |
| 12:19:40 | Wembly | which reminds me i need to rma my pc2100 ram :/ |
| 12:19:54 | Speedy2 | hrm |
| 12:19:56 | Speedy2 | What brand? |
| 12:20:00 | Wembly | crucal |
| 12:20:07 | Wembly | payed like $99 for it awhile back |
| 12:20:09 | Wembly | err |
| 12:20:11 | Wembly | well two sticks of it |
| 12:20:12 | Speedy2 | Crucial |
| 12:20:14 | Wembly | found out one was bad. |
| 12:20:23 | Wembly | thought it was my board or something. |
| 12:20:41 | Wembly | never really bothered with it cus i thought it was my system and not the stick itself.. |
| 12:20:47 | Speedy2 | hrm |
| 12:20:51 | Speedy2 | What motherboard? |
| 12:21:07 | Wembly | later after getting back around to it i stuck it back in. and played with it some turned out its the stick and not the board |
| 12:21:12 | Wembly | the stick is 'half' bad. |
| 12:21:22 | Wembly | intermitently reporting memory errors |
| 12:21:26 | Wembly | othertimes checking just fine. |
| 12:21:34 | Wembly | asus a7m266 |
| 12:21:44 | Wembly | *laugh* |
| 12:21:48 | Wembly | was having hd problems as well |
| 12:22:01 | Speedy2 | Does that use a VIA chipset or AMD? |
| 12:22:12 | Wembly | untill i realized one of the mulex (sp?) connectors was not fully plugged into it. |
| 12:22:15 | Wembly | herm. |
| 12:22:16 | Wembly | both |
| 12:22:21 | Wembly | via south |
| 12:22:23 | Wembly | amd north |
| 12:22:27 | Speedy2 | That's SICK |
| 12:22:38 | Wembly | best amd board out there at the time. |
| 12:22:41 | Speedy2 | Yeah |
| 12:22:43 | Speedy2 | I can understand |
| 12:22:45 | Wembly | and works nicely too |
| 12:22:48 | Wembly | so *shrug* |
| 12:23:06 | Wembly | i went from a p100 to that. |
| 12:23:11 | Speedy2 | Heh |
| 12:23:13 | Wembly | *sigh* |
| 12:23:15 | Wembly | worse yet. |
| 12:23:25 | Wembly | i got the p100 like buying a 1ghz system today |
| 12:23:38 | Wembly | so by the time i got it it was way outa date |
| 12:23:42 | Wembly | and had it for something like 6 years |
| 12:23:45 | Speedy2 | 1GHz is great |
| 12:23:55 | Wembly | games needless to say were rought going |
| 12:23:57 | Speedy2 | I have a 1.47GHz...I went from K7-800 to this and I saw very little change |
| 12:24:24 | Wembly | i noticed a very big change |
| 12:24:33 | Wembly | mainly cus of the inclusion of an agp slot (damned intel) |
| 12:24:51 | Wembly | and faster ram more ram and faster hd along with generally faster system. |
| 12:25:05 | Wembly | i had more ram on my videocard then my prev system had. |
| 12:25:08 | Speedy2 | I/O is the biggest diff. |
| 12:25:13 | Wembly | *nods* |
| 12:25:19 | Speedy2 | That's the reason a K6/233 feels dog slow |
| 12:25:24 | Speedy2 | CPU and memory are really fine |
| 12:25:27 | Speedy2 | Damned HDD |
| 12:25:32 | Wembly | which is why i spent most of my money on trying to get the i/o up as high as it could go. |
| 12:25:47 | ljp | I overclocked my k6/500 by getting a new motherboard and a p3/900 |
| 12:25:52 | Wembly | hheh |
| 12:25:52 | Speedy2 | lol |
| 12:25:55 | Wembly | exactly :) |
| 12:25:59 | Speedy2 | SCSI is the way to go. |
| 12:26:05 | Wembly | a nice hdd is definatly a good thing. |
| 12:26:24 | Wembly | yes but high i/o hdd's cost more.. |
| 12:26:45 | Wembly | so my idea was buy a small high speed scsi hdd and a decent large ide drive |
| 12:26:53 | Speedy2 | Yes |
| 12:26:54 | Speedy2 | That's what I did |
| 12:27:00 | Speedy2 | I am using an IDE to SCSI converter |
| 12:27:04 | Wembly | mmm |
| 12:27:07 | Speedy2 | I use a 60GB drive for data |
| 12:27:08 | Wembly | theres an idea i didnt think of. |
| 12:27:11 | Speedy2 | IBM |
| 12:27:16 | Wembly | 60gxp? :) |
| 12:27:18 | Speedy2 | And a 18gig Ultra160 SCSI drive |
| 12:27:32 | Wembly | speedy2: seagate? what rpm speed? |
| 12:27:36 | Speedy2 | Wemb: It wsa a 75GXP that failed 5 times until IBM replaced with a 120GXP that failed which they replaced with another 120GXP |
| 12:27:41 | Speedy2 | Wembly: Fujitsu, 10.2K RPM |
| 12:27:44 | Wembly | weird |
| 12:28:05 | Speedy2 | Fujitsu makes good SCSI drives |
| 12:28:22 | Speedy2 | This has an 8MByte buffer on it |
| 12:28:22 | Speedy2 | :) |
| 12:37:33 | NetAmp | I've had loads of troubles with Asus A7V133 |
| 12:37:44 | NetAmp | So I went to my current MSI KT3 Ultra |
| 12:37:53 | NetAmp | it rocks ;) |
| 12:38:03 | NetAmp | (at least for me it does) |
| 12:38:48 | Speedy2 | http://www.tech-report.com/news_reply.x/3316/1/ |
| 12:38:48 | Speedy2 | Search for the text: "54. Posted at 04:19 pm on Jan 15th 2002" |
| 12:39:47 | NetAmp | whoa |
| 12:40:28 | Speedy2 | VIA IS SHIT |
| 12:40:33 | NetAmp | it is |
| 12:42:14 | NetAmp | http://www.msi.com.tw/program/products/mainboard/mbd/pro_mbd_detail.php?UID=30&MODEL=MS-6380E |
| 12:42:36 | NetAmp | that's what I currently have |
| 12:43:46 | Speedy2 | Do you see any perf. from the 333Mhz memory? |
| 12:43:50 | Speedy2 | I have a Tyan 2466N |
| 12:43:56 | Speedy2 | AMD 760MPX |
| 12:44:09 | NetAmp | cool |
| 12:44:30 | NetAmp | hm well actually I didn't really compare benchmarks.. |
| 12:44:42 | NetAmp | but it runs nicely |
| 12:45:15 | NetAmp | I went from 733 to AMD XP 1800+ |
| 12:45:58 | Speedy2 | Ah |
| 12:46:00 | Speedy2 | 1700+ here |
| 12:46:28 | NetAmp | not much difference anyway... I believe it runs at 1,53 or so |
| 12:46:42 | NetAmp | even less diff. between 1800+ and 1900+ |
| 12:46:56 | NetAmp | but the more difference in price tags |
| 12:47:00 | NetAmp | pretty weird... |
| 12:47:47 | Wembly | netamp: the performance in general is roughtly corisponding to the + values tho no? |
| 12:48:19 | NetAmp | hm I think so |
| 12:49:14 | Speedy2 | Wembly: Yeah |
| 12:49:22 | Speedy2 | My 1.47GHz does do what a P4 1.7GHz does |
| 12:49:26 | NetAmp | :) |
| 12:49:28 | Speedy2 | But it's still marketting |
| 13:12:42 | NetAmp | "According to a source familiar with Sharp's plans, the company's next-generation Zaurus device, due this fall, will address the vulnerabilities. The gadget will come with Intel's 400MHz XScale PXA250 processor and a larger battery than the one found in Sharp's currently available Zaurus SL-5500" |
| 13:13:14 | NetAmp | It would be cool if the new battery isn't physically 'larger' and would fit in the current Z ;) |
| 13:13:19 | NetAmp | but I doubt it :S |
| 13:13:35 | Wembly | netamp: also hopefully replaceable too |
| 13:13:36 | Speedy2 | We discussed how crappy the PXA250 is |
| 13:13:44 | NetAmp | Wembly: yeah |
| 13:13:44 | Speedy2 | (earlier this week) |
| 13:13:45 | Wembly | speedy2: how so? |
| 13:13:47 | Speedy2 | hehe |
| 13:13:48 | Speedy2 | Oh man |
| 13:13:49 | Speedy2 | one sec |
| 13:13:53 | Wembly | speedy2: care to go on a summery? |
| 13:13:54 | | http://ipaq.secret.org.uk/~timr/ |
| 13:13:54 | NetAmp | ibot: logs |
| 13:13:57 | Wembly | does it have a keyboard? |
| 13:14:01 | XavierXeon | NetAmp: the battery might be the same but XScale neeeds less power |
| 13:14:19 | NetAmp | XavierXeon: yeah ofcourse... so that could make the difference.. |
| 13:14:20 | Speedy2 | http://developer.intel.com/design/pca/applicationsprocessors/specupdt/27853402.pdf |
| 13:14:26 | Speedy2 | It will end up needing *MORE* power |
| 13:14:30 | Speedy2 | The processor is not running as it should |
| 13:14:36 | Speedy2 | It needs 1.5V+ to run |
| 13:14:38 | Wembly | speedy: xscale sucking? |
| 13:14:40 | Speedy2 | Not .9 or 1.2 as Intel claimed |
| 13:14:41 | Speedy2 | oh yeah |
| 13:14:43 | Speedy2 | read that PDF dude |
| 13:14:48 | Speedy2 | Those are some NASTY NASTY bugs |
| 13:14:59 | Wembly | speedy: thats what i heard for the tohisba pocketpc devices |
| 13:15:05 | Wembly | no ones happy with it supposedly. |
| 13:16:37 | Wembly | gawd |
| 13:16:41 | Wembly | reminds me of sandlot. |
| 13:16:43 | Wembly | or sandpile. |
| 13:16:47 | Wembly | or whatever the site is called |
| 13:17:11 | Twiun | Right people... I'm off... see you in 2 weeks! |
| 13:17:20 | Wembly | bibi |
| 13:17:21 | NetAmp | Twiun: have a good trip |
| 13:17:22 | Wembly | good luck |
| 13:17:25 | Wembly | enjoy your trip |
| 13:17:29 | Wembly | .au right? |
| 13:17:36 | NetAmp | hehe |
| 13:17:36 | Twiun | waves cheerfully! |
| 13:17:38 | Twiun | yup |
| 13:17:44 | Speedy2 | Hey |
| 13:17:45 | Speedy2 | have fun |
| 13:17:45 | Speedy2 | ! |
| 13:17:45 | NetAmp | Z-ya later |
| 13:17:49 | Wembly | careful not to like give yourself a heartattack with your plans :) |
| 13:17:49 | Speedy2 | Buy some crazy stuff in Japan |
| 13:17:55 | Twiun | grins |
| 13:18:01 | Twiun | I'll try to |
| 13:18:01 | Wembly | err |
| 13:18:04 | NetAmp | like a humping dino |
| 13:18:04 | Wembly | japan or .au? |
| 13:18:08 | Wembly | where ya going twiun? |
| 13:18:14 | NetAmp | both iirc? |
| 13:18:22 | Wembly | i dunno all i heard about was .au :) |
| 13:18:31 | Wembly | go play ddr or somesuch in japan :) |
| 13:18:38 | Twiun | London->Tokyo->Brisbane->Townsville->Brisbane->Sydney->Osaka->London |
| 13:18:46 | Wembly | whoa |
| 13:18:49 | NetAmp | :D |
| 13:18:52 | NetAmp | world trip! |
| 13:18:55 | Twiun | for just 10 days ;-) |
| 13:18:55 | Wembly | how long ya stayin in tokyo? |
| 13:19:06 | Twiun | 4 hours |
| 13:19:08 | Twiun | transit |
| 13:19:11 | Speedy2 | Hey |
| 13:19:14 | Speedy2 | Is this a trip for fun? |
| 13:19:14 | NetAmp | ooh better shop quickly ;) |
| 13:19:27 | Wembly | enjoy your trip :) |
| 13:19:32 | Twiun | Speedy2: Not really... I'll tell you all the grisly details when I get back |
| 13:19:35 | Wembly | play some ddr or japanize games or somesuch :) |
| 13:19:37 | Speedy2 | Ok |
| 13:19:40 | Wembly | bibi! |
| 13:19:42 | Twiun | anyway... See yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! |
| 13:19:42 | Speedy2 | "GO" |
| 13:19:42 | Speedy2 | heh |
| 13:19:43 | Speedy2 | bye |
| 13:19:45 | NetAmp | byeee |
| 13:19:45 | Wembly | bibi! |
| 13:19:46 | Wembly | *wavies* |
| 13:19:54 | Wembly | *throws colored paper streamers* |
| 13:19:58 | NetAmp | heh |
| 13:20:08 | NetAmp | *sigh* he's gone |
| 13:20:11 | Wembly | yep |
| 13:20:13 | Wembly | *cry* |
| 13:20:13 | Speedy2 | lol |
| 13:20:14 | Wembly | ill miss em |
| 13:20:16 | Speedy2 | Did you read that PDF? |
| 13:20:16 | Wembly | ..... |
| 13:20:18 | Wembly | who is he again? |
| 13:20:19 | Speedy2 | Those are some f'ded up problems. |
| 13:20:20 | Wembly | ;) |
| 13:20:28 | Wembly | speedy2: trying to. |
| 13:20:35 | Wembly | having hard times understanding what im reading :) |
| 13:20:44 | NetAmp | same here ;) |
| 13:20:48 | Wembly | im on summary of errata |
| 13:21:04 | Speedy2 | heh |
| 13:21:47 | Wembly | at this point there is no 'perfect' processor |
| 13:21:53 | Wembly | they all have their quriks/bugs |
| 13:22:08 | NetAmp | especially the human brain ;) |
| 13:22:19 | XavierXeon | what brain |
| 13:22:29 | NetAmp | (at least mine is full of quirks 'n' bugs ;) |
| 13:22:32 | NetAmp | XavierXeon: haha |
| 13:22:48 | kergoth | reset |
| 13:22:55 | kergoth | morning |
| 13:22:58 | NetAmp | I tried.. with alcohol |
| 13:23:00 | Wembly | speedy: so what am i supposed to get from this? |
| 13:23:02 | NetAmp | mornin' kergoth |
| 13:23:03 | Wembly | heheh |
| 13:23:04 | Wembly | reset. |
| 13:23:05 | Wembly | yes |
| 13:23:09 | kergoth | heh /reset |
| 13:23:12 | Wembly | everyone should reset their brain ;) |
| 13:23:15 | kergoth | yawns |
| 13:23:16 | kergoth | hah |
| 13:23:27 | NetAmp | back it up first |
| 13:23:27 | kergoth | tries to find his mental reset button |
| 13:23:30 | Speedy2 | kergoth: HELLO |
| 13:23:35 | Wembly | hehe go watch miib |
| 13:23:41 | Wembly | HELO |
| 13:23:41 | Speedy2 | wembly: That the PXA250 is severaly fucked up. |
| 13:23:53 | Speedy2 | A CPU should have like maybe 10 errata, 2 to 3 serious |
| 13:24:04 | Speedy2 | They missed that by a factor of 10.5 |
| 13:24:08 | Wembly | speedy2: herm. is that all the steppings tho? |
| 13:24:08 | NetAmp | hehe |
| 13:24:09 | kergoth | hey Speedy2. how goes it |
| 13:24:20 | Wintre | What's a PXA250? |
| 13:24:22 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Minority Report is a good one to watch...makes you think...it's good if you can ignore the causality loop |
| 13:24:26 | Wembly | speedy2: like from stepping 1 to stepping whatever? |
| 13:24:29 | Speedy2 | Wintre: New Shintel CPU |
| 13:24:36 | Wintre | "Shintel"? |
| 13:24:38 | Speedy2 | Wembly: Some of those bugs have no fix |
| 13:24:40 | Speedy2 | www.intel.com |
| 13:24:45 | NetAmp | Wintre: XScale |
| 13:24:47 | Wintre | I figured as much |
| 13:24:50 | Wembly | speedy: how so? |
| 13:25:01 | Wembly | speedy: new silicon would be a fix no? |
| 13:25:05 | Wintre | And XScale is what, some new name for an old archicture? |
| 13:25:09 | Speedy2 | Wembly: They state, "no fix" |
| 13:25:09 | Wintre | Err, architecture |
| 13:25:25 | Speedy2 | Wintre: It's Intel's new ARM "compatible" low-power System-on-a-Chip |
| 13:25:30 | Speedy2 | But in reality, it sux. |
| 13:25:35 | NetAmp | it's the follow-up of the StrongARM currently in the Zaurus |
| 13:25:42 | Speedy2 | Except Intel didn't design the StrongARM |
| 13:25:49 | NetAmp | didn't? |
| 13:25:51 | Speedy2 | HELL NO |
| 13:25:52 | Wembly | umm |
| 13:25:54 | kergoth | Speedy2: yes i saw that movie. thoroughly enjoyed it. |
| 13:25:55 | Speedy2 | They got it from DEC |
| 13:25:59 | Wintre | No, they bought it |
| 13:26:00 | Wembly | multimediacard stream data writes do not transmit properly? |
| 13:26:01 | Wembly | no fix? |
| 13:26:02 | Wembly | ouch |
| 13:26:06 | Speedy2 | Wintre: They stole it |
| 13:26:08 | kergoth | yawns again |
| 13:26:10 | kergoth | brb |
| 13:26:22 | Speedy2 | They f'ing stole it |
| 13:26:23 | Wembly | i saw reign of fire |
| 13:26:35 | Wembly | they did some very nice work on the dragons for that movie. |
| 13:26:35 | Wintre | Stole it? |
| 13:27:03 | Wembly | speedy2: probly via legal or obsorbing ways no doubt. |
| 13:27:16 | Speedy2 | Yeah |
| 13:27:25 | Wembly | hehe |
| 13:27:27 | Speedy2 | DEC sued them and they just "bought" a bunch of important shit |
| 13:27:36 | Speedy2 | And the rest of the important shit when it Compaq |
| 13:27:41 | Speedy2 | when == went |
| 13:27:42 | XavierXeon | sounds like M$ tactics |
| 13:27:45 | Speedy2 | Yup |
| 13:27:48 | Speedy2 | Wintel... |
| 13:27:51 | Wembly | mm card stream data writes of length euqal to n*32+6 bytes do not transmit properly.. (umm ooops?) |
| 13:28:00 | Speedy2 | They sleep with each other, why would they think differently? |
| 13:28:07 | Speedy2 | Who do we want to fuck today? |
| 13:28:15 | Speedy2 | Who do we want to fuck today? (TM) (C, Intel, Microsoft) |
| 13:28:36 | Speedy2 | Then, Compaq sold the Alpha stuff to Intel...who of course killed it |
| 13:28:37 | Wembly | c, intel, microsoft? |
| 13:28:38 | Speedy2 | Then HP bought Compaq |
| 13:28:41 | Wembly | compaq? |
| 13:28:41 | Speedy2 | (C == copyright) |
| 13:28:44 | Wembly | yuck |
| 13:28:51 | Wembly | id rather see compaq then hp |
| 13:28:58 | Speedy2 | I was there when the Alpha guys found out that Compaq sold the shit to Intel |
| 13:28:59 | Wembly | i dislike hp |
| 13:29:03 | Wembly | they cannot produce a damned thing. |
| 13:29:08 | Speedy2 | HP/Compaq/Intel/M$ are SHIT companies |
| 13:29:15 | Wembly | *agrees* |
| 13:29:31 | Speedy2 | The Alpha guys found out when like cnn.com or someone reported it...they didn't even know ahead of time. |
| 13:29:39 | Speedy2 | Needless to say, they were not happy. |
| 13:29:41 | Wembly | but compaq can atleast sometimes manage to drag themselfs outa the dump to produce maybe one good product ever now and again |
| 13:29:44 | Wintre | That doesn't really surprise me |
| 13:29:45 | Wembly | iv never seen a good hp product |
| 13:29:50 | Speedy2 | Well |
| 13:29:51 | Speedy2 | That's not true |
| 13:29:58 | Speedy2 | When HP was real HP they did a LOT of good stuff |
| 13:29:59 | Wintre | wembly: Ever seen their workstations? |
| 13:30:00 | Wembly | *sigh* |
| 13:30:01 | Speedy2 | HP calculators, etc |
| 13:30:14 | Wembly | alpha was so... so.... i dunno.. seemed to be the future. |
| 13:30:15 | Speedy2 | One of my most prized possetions is my HP48G (highly modified) calculator |
| 13:30:16 | Wintre | The OS is pretty widely disliked, and apparently their compilers are of low quality |
| 13:30:25 | Speedy2 | HP PA-RISC is quite badass |
| 13:30:26 | Wembly | wintre: compaq's or hp's? |
| 13:30:35 | Wintre | PA-RISC as Speedy says. |
| 13:30:36 | Wembly | herm. |
| 13:30:39 | Speedy2 | HP these days is a DISGRACE to the name of the two Electrical Engineers who founded it |
| 13:30:41 | Wembly | i was never happy with hpux |
| 13:30:53 | Speedy2 | Alpha WAS the future |
| 13:30:54 | Wembly | i didnt like it much |
| 13:31:02 | Wintre | I never found it that bad but then I never did serious development under it |
| 13:31:14 | Speedy2 | Well...you won't do much with it anymore |
| 13:31:20 | Speedy2 | You'll be using the Itanic2 |
| 13:31:24 | Wembly | heheh |
| 13:31:28 | Wembly | intel is... sinking :) |
| 13:31:43 | Speedy2 | They've hit the iceburg |
| 13:31:43 | Wintre | Speedy: That also runs HP-UX |
| 13:31:52 | Speedy2 | Wintre: A bastardized versino.... |
| 13:32:06 | Wintre | How different can it need to be? |
| 13:32:06 | Wembly | speedy2: im wondering what the ia64 system will be like tho. |
| 13:32:10 | Wembly | speedy2: esp amd's... |
| 13:32:15 | Wembly | which im truely worryed about. |
| 13:32:31 | Speedy2 | Well |
| 13:32:31 | Wembly | yes. we take the cruft thats built up with the x86 platform and add on more. |
| 13:32:36 | Speedy2 | x86-64 is shit |
| 13:32:41 | Speedy2 | I want to beat up AMD |
| 13:32:47 | Speedy2 | STILL 8 general purpose registers!!!! |
| 13:32:53 | Wembly | omg |
| 13:32:56 | Speedy2 | It should not have been "x86-64" |
| 13:32:59 | Speedy2 | It should have been something else |
| 13:33:01 | Speedy2 | w/o x86 |
| 13:33:05 | Speedy2 | They STILL want to support legacy |
| 13:33:11 | Speedy2 | F'ing kill legacy in two generations |
| 13:33:17 | Wembly | herm. |
| 13:33:20 | Speedy2 | They could throw on a K7 for "comatability" reasons |
| 13:33:22 | Speedy2 | err |
| 13:33:24 | Speedy2 | compatability |
| 13:33:25 | Wembly | im gonna have to change irc servers apparntly. |
| 13:33:27 | Speedy2 | Use SMP to do it |
| 13:33:33 | Wintre | Uhh |
| 13:33:42 | Wintre | You can't have SMP with different architectures |
| 13:33:45 | Wintre | By definition |
| 13:33:45 | Speedy2 | Sure you can |
| 13:33:48 | noidd | yawns, good afternoon :-) |
| 13:33:51 | Wembly | hehe |
| 13:33:53 | Speedy2 | You can when they use the same bus protocol |
| 13:33:55 | Wintre | It's not symmetric, for chrissakes |
| 13:33:55 | Wembly | thatd be interesting... |
| 13:33:57 | Speedy2 | With some cleverness |
| 13:33:58 | Speedy2 | Well |
| 13:34:02 | Speedy2 | Multi-processor |
| 13:34:03 | Speedy2 | Not SMP |
| 13:34:03 | Wembly | id think id rather do a co-processor design tho |
| 13:34:04 | Speedy2 | Correct |
| 13:34:05 | NetAmp | good afternoon noidd |
| 13:34:20 | Speedy2 | Wembly: Right, well essentially, treat the K7 as a "co-processor" |
| 13:34:24 | noidd | NetAmp: tomorrow still the big day? |
| 13:34:24 | Speedy2 | An x86 co-pro |
| 13:34:25 | Wembly | amd dosnt do symetric tho |
| 13:34:31 | NetAmp | noidd: yay! :D ;) |
| 13:34:41 | Wembly | i do believe you can have two diff clock speeds in their arch. |
| 13:34:48 | Wembly | speedy2: yea |
| 13:34:50 | Speedy2 | Yup |
| 13:34:52 | NetAmp | noidd: Let's just say I won't be the last one to leave work tomorrow ;) |
| 13:34:52 | Wembly | herm. |
| 13:34:52 | Wembly | brb |
| 13:34:55 | Wintre | Oh? The dual Athlon boards aren't SMP? |
| 13:35:05 | Wembly | no |
| 13:35:12 | Speedy2 | Wintre: Not 100% SMP. It's multiprocessor though |
| 13:35:23 | Wembly | the athlon dual proc systems run with two diff bus's to the northbridge |
| 13:35:26 | Wembly | one for each proc |
| 13:35:29 | Speedy2 | No |
| 13:35:32 | Speedy2 | They have a switched bus architecture |
| 13:35:36 | Wembly | oh? |
| 13:35:38 | Speedy2 | Yeah |
| 13:35:41 | Speedy2 | Not seperate |
| 13:35:44 | noidd | NetAmp: I bet you've downloaded several hundred ipk's ready too ;-) |
| 13:35:45 | Speedy2 | Cache coherency IS maintained |
| 13:35:51 | Wembly | speedy2: explain? |
| 13:36:00 | NetAmp | noidd: kinda ;) hehe |
| 13:36:02 | Wembly | speedy2: seeing as how all i have to go on is marketing junk. |
| 13:36:35 | Speedy2 | Wembly: Well, Intel shares "the bus" between processors |
| 13:36:38 | Speedy2 | Like an Ethernet hub |
| 13:36:43 | Wembly | speedy2: *nods* |
| 13:36:46 | Speedy2 | AMD uses a point-to-point type protocol |
| 13:36:48 | Speedy2 | Like an Ethernet switch |
| 13:36:55 | Wembly | yes |
| 13:36:57 | Speedy2 | So traffic between processors, memory, etc, is switched |
| 13:37:06 | Wembly | but somewhere that switch needs to seperate the two signals. |
| 13:37:14 | Wembly | and send one to one system and then to another? |
| 13:37:16 | Speedy2 | Well, obviously, they have many ports |
| 13:37:25 | Speedy2 | I mean, yes, the processors have ports to the chipset |
| 13:37:35 | Speedy2 | But that doesn't mean it can't do SMP |
| 13:37:40 | Wembly | aka its not just one wire connecting the same pins on both processors. |
| 13:37:58 | Wembly | well theres smp and then theres something above smp no? |
| 13:38:13 | Wintre | It's been too long since I've spent time studying architecture in any detail :P |
| 13:38:17 | Wembly | smp is where both processors are the same etc? |
| 13:38:30 | Wembly | but then you have other archs were the processors do not have the be the same speed? |
| 13:38:42 | Wembly | but still run two kernels blah blah blah...? |
| 13:38:43 | Speedy2 | Wembly: You don't have to have the SAME processor to do SMP |
| 13:38:54 | Wembly | hehe |
| 13:39:02 | Wembly | same speed? |
| 13:39:09 | Speedy2 | IIRC, SMP doesn't mean you have each CPU executing the same kernel |
| 13:39:10 | Wembly | ok lets start over |
| 13:39:15 | Speedy2 | (i.e. it doesn't mandate that) |
| 13:39:24 | Wembly | smp is what exactly?.... |
| 13:39:44 | Speedy2 | Symmetric Multi-Processor |
| 13:39:48 | Wintre | http://www.dict.org/bin/Dict?Form=Dict2&Database=*&Query=symmetric+multiprocessing |
| 13:39:59 | Wembly | gawd i shoulda bought that book on differnt ways to do mutli-cpu execution or whatever. |
| 13:40:19 | Wembly | sorry im kinda baseing all my knowlage on the little i read from the book. and remember. |
| 13:40:28 | Speedy2 | I can suggest two good books |
| 13:40:41 | Speedy2 | Computer Architecture by Patterson and Hennesey |
| 13:40:53 | Speedy2 | And the other by Hennesey and Patterson |
| 13:40:53 | Speedy2 | :) |
| 13:40:57 | Wintre | Heh, that's the classic text, isn't it? |
| 13:41:00 | Speedy2 | They are co-architects of MIPS, etc |
| 13:41:00 | Speedy2 | Yeah |
| 13:41:03 | Speedy2 | Very classic |
| 13:41:07 | Speedy2 | But two VERY good books |
| 13:41:10 | Wintre | Let's instead say seminal |
| 13:41:20 | Speedy2 | heh |
| 13:41:29 | Speedy2 | Wintre: You have a CS or EE backgorund? |
| 13:41:29 | Speedy2 | ground. |
| 13:41:41 | Wintre | Bachelor's of CS |
| 13:42:03 | Speedy2 | I see |
| 13:42:19 | Wintre | Now I'm a sysadmin |
| 13:42:34 | Wintre | So, practical concerns dominate in daily life :) |
| 13:43:10 | noidd | bah, theorists |
| 13:43:15 | NetAmp | heh |
| 13:43:24 | Wintre | Hah. There's nothing quite as practical as a good theory, as my dad likes to say |
| 13:43:25 | noidd | waves his degree at the university of life |
| 13:43:59 | Wembly | theorsy are good |
| 13:44:17 | noidd | Wembly: frequentlt over-rated. |
| 13:44:20 | Wembly | but they wont get you anywhere without lots of effort and some creativity. |
| 13:44:21 | Wintre | Anyway, I reached the point a while ago that while all the details of how computers get faster are neat in a geeky way, they're more or less irrelevant |
| 13:44:27 | Wembly | aka |
| 13:44:29 | noidd | Wembly: but in some circumstances, essential |
| 13:44:45 | Wintre | And they change too fast to make it worth following unless you're immersed in that part of the industry |
| 13:44:57 | Wembly | iv seen far to meny people that have 0 understanding of theory put forth lots of effort and some creativity and manage to get something.. al beit horridly designed and writtin.. done. |
| 13:44:58 | Wintre | noidd: I don't agree that theory is overrated |
| 13:45:18 | Wembly | you want something good. you want theory |
| 13:45:23 | Wembly | you want something done.. you want effort. |
| 13:45:27 | Wembly | well effort/creativity |
| 13:45:28 | noidd | Wintre: knowing theory isn't. CLaiming that a degree is essential to do everything is. |
| 13:45:31 | Wintre | Theory gives you a much stronger framework for considering your evidence |
| 13:45:36 | Wembly | theory also helps when you dont wanta reinvent the wheel. |
| 13:45:48 | Wembly | degree's are just paper |
| 13:45:55 | Wintre | doesn't bother getting into a degree-vs-practical-experience dbate |
| 13:46:00 | Wembly | they mean that you have atleast minium of x level of knowlage. |
| 13:46:06 | Wembly | or had it at one point in your life. |
| 13:46:24 | Wembly | it dosnt matter how you get that knowlage tho. |
| 13:46:33 | Wembly | if you do it via self-motivated learning then good for you |
| 13:46:47 | noidd | shudders at the thought of what would happen if you put even basic calculus in front of him. |
| 13:46:56 | Wembly | but you still have to overcome the issue of proving that you have that broader base of knowlage |
| 13:47:03 | Wembly | hehe |
| 13:47:07 | Wembly | calculus |
| 13:47:14 | Wembly | thats something ill get to suffer thought shortly :) |
| 13:47:16 | noidd | its all gone, every last bit of it. |
| 13:47:22 | Wembly | im looking forward to it tho |
| 13:47:34 | Wembly | it seems.. interestingly fun :) |
| 13:47:43 | Wembly | hehe |
| 13:47:53 | NetAmp | *scary* |
| 13:47:58 | NetAmp | ;) |
| 13:48:03 | Wembly | .... scene in 10 weeks from now.... ugh calculus sucks horridly get it away from me!..... |
| 13:48:09 | noidd | Wembly: I really enjoyed it at the time... but i've completely forgotten how to integrate and defferenciate and partial diferentiate triganometic functions |
| 13:48:35 | Wembly | noidd: im lucky in that i have alot of resources to answer and help with math. |
| 13:48:56 | Wembly | alot of friends that are heavy into math is quite nice. |
| 13:49:26 | noidd | if it gets to a point when I need it again... i'll re-learn it. But that piece of paper that says that I can do it is effectively useless because of bitrot in the wetware |
| 13:49:33 | Wembly | and the convince implyed by a professor saying perhaps i should consider majoring in it. (tho he probly dosnt know what he's talkin about) |
| 13:49:50 | Wembly | noidd: actually |
| 13:49:55 | Wembly | noidd: if you study psychology. |
| 13:50:05 | Wembly | youd know that it'll come back a hell of alot faster :) |
| 13:50:09 | noidd | anyways - I apologise for knocking you off the topic of SMP and return you to your normal programming :-) |
| 13:50:22 | Wembly | noidd: once you learn it you might forget it but it'll be alot faster to come back when you relearn it. |
| 13:50:28 | Speedy2 | You should understand math |
| 13:50:32 | Wembly | noidd: *shrug* we were pritty much done wif it :) |
| 13:50:38 | Speedy2 | And be able to do the mechanics to get you through |
| 13:50:42 | Speedy2 | That's been my philosphy |
| 13:50:58 | Speedy2 | I can't remember how to do some of the more complicated rules |
| 13:51:01 | Speedy2 | But that's just mechanics |
| 13:51:03 | Speedy2 | Not concepts |
| 13:51:08 | Wembly | speedy2: hehe i had a cousion who told me i shouldnt memorize the forumula's but should know howto derive them. cus thats more importent. |
| 13:51:20 | Speedy2 | Once you *understand* math, then forget the mechanics |
| 13:51:20 | noidd | We |
| 13:51:22 | Wembly | and so after i memorized them already i went and figured out howto derive them. |
| 13:51:24 | noidd | indeed. |
| 13:51:43 | Wembly | and id agree it is more importent to understand howto derive them :) cus of what you just said :) |
| 13:51:47 | Speedy2 | Calculus is fairly straigtfoward (that is, after someone wrote some books on it) |
| 13:51:53 | noidd | tries to remember the formula for quadratic equations |
| 13:51:59 | Speedy2 | That one I know |
| 13:52:00 | Speedy2 | heh |
| 13:52:05 | Wembly | that one i barely know. |
| 13:52:07 | XavierXeon | Wembly: i did physics because i have a really bas memory |
| 13:52:08 | Speedy2 | sq(b^2 - 4ac) / 2A |
| 13:52:12 | Wembly | and is something to go lookup for me :) |
| 13:52:15 | Speedy2 | +/- |
| 13:52:17 | noidd | -b (+||-) square root b2 - c2 over 2a |
| 13:52:18 | noidd | ish? |
| 13:52:20 | Wembly | speedy2: arnt youforgetting the -b? |
| 13:52:22 | Speedy2 | Yeah |
| 13:52:23 | Speedy2 | oops |
| 13:52:27 | Wembly | heheh |
| 13:52:38 | Speedy2 | But there is the 4acc there noidd |
| 13:52:39 | Speedy2 | Well |
| 13:52:41 | noidd | see, i missed the 4ac |
| 13:52:42 | Speedy2 | We figured it out together ;) |
| 13:52:43 | Speedy2 | hehe |
| 13:52:43 | Wembly | the only scientific field i dislike is chemistry. |
| 13:52:48 | Speedy2 | Whoah |
| 13:52:51 | Speedy2 | I really like chemstry |
| 13:52:51 | noidd | see, bitrot ;-) |
| 13:52:54 | Wembly | mainly cus the teacher i had in math scared the crap outa me. |
| 13:52:59 | Wembly | 1st day of school in the class. |
| 13:52:59 | Speedy2 | really amazing subject |
| 13:53:11 | Wembly | he had a lecture about what would happen to you if your not really really careful. |
| 13:53:28 | Wembly | showing wonderful demonstrations. |
| 13:53:35 | noidd | haha, I captained the countries team on a national chemistry quiz team. We won the national finals |
| 13:53:41 | Speedy2 | Wow |
| 13:53:42 | Speedy2 | :) |
| 13:53:44 | Wembly | held up a pair of pants that had a melted rip all the way down them. |
| 13:53:49 | noidd | I then proceeded to get an E in the subject at A-Level |
| 13:53:55 | noidd | yes, an E |
| 13:53:55 | Speedy2 | E? |
| 13:53:58 | Speedy2 | What is an E? |
| 13:54:00 | noidd | how poetic was that :-) |
| 13:54:03 | noidd | erm |
| 13:54:04 | Wembly | and told storys about how people that were not careful ended up going to the hopsital. etc |
| 13:54:05 | Speedy2 | C, D, E, F |
| 13:54:05 | noidd | A is top |
| 13:54:09 | Speedy2 | Like above F, below D |
| 13:54:10 | noidd | A,B,C,D,E |
| 13:54:17 | Wembly | made a hell of alot more of an impression then anythingelse in the class |
| 13:54:18 | noidd | F is fail |
| 13:54:23 | Speedy2 | Wow |
| 13:54:23 | Speedy2 | How did that happen? |
| 13:54:31 | XavierXeon | noidd: you get drugs in school ? |
| 13:54:35 | NetAmp | heh |
| 13:54:58 | noidd | XavierXeon: hah, I wish. No drugs in my part of the world back then (too far into the country) |
| 13:55:13 | Wembly | anyhow the thing that bothered me the most about chemistry was how it was taught. |
| 13:55:32 | noidd | Speedy2: I'm not sure, I got the lowest grade in the exam that year tho |
| 13:55:40 | NetAmp | I hate math and drugs and school, I'm gonna make dinner... ;) |
| 13:55:41 | NetAmp | l8r |
| 13:55:44 | noidd | I was just damn good at chemical trivia :-) |
| 13:55:51 | Speedy2 | heh |
| 13:55:51 | Wembly | its like.. ok this is how it works and assume it is right. then we go from there.. then we go on and built from that assumption. and never proving it correct or not. |
| 13:56:06 | Wembly | its like social sciences.. |
| 13:56:08 | Wembly | put a brick in the air. |
| 13:56:16 | Wembly | and say it floats for resone x y and z |
| 13:56:22 | noidd | Wembly: sounds like the entire basis of cosmology. Lets assume that hubbles constant is constant. |
| 13:56:26 | Wembly | then build build more bricks atop that. |
| 13:56:37 | noidd | then we observe it isn't |
| 13:56:38 | Wembly | err |
| 13:56:42 | Wembly | then build more bricks atop that.. |
| 13:56:52 | Speedy2 | Wembly: At some point you just believe what someone says, and don't try to prove it. |
| 13:56:53 | Wembly | well |
| 13:57:11 | noidd | but we dont re-examine everything - we ignore it and sweep it under the carpet |
| 13:57:16 | Wembly | i have no doubt that the field of chemistry does have some basis in reality. |
| 13:57:24 | noidd | nad particle physics.... haha |
| 13:57:28 | Wembly | i just dont like how it was taught. |
| 13:57:34 | Speedy2 | Understood |
| 13:57:53 | Wembly | its like this is an atom.. and then you have differnt types of atoms. |
| 13:57:57 | noidd | We dont understand what we see... invent a new particle, sprinkle with popular math, name it after your dead dog and 'lo... you get a Nobel Prize |
| 13:58:04 | Wembly | and well my questions were.. ok why does an atom work that way.. |
| 13:58:12 | XavierXeon | hey you should try quantum field theory |
| 13:58:14 | Wembly | and then the generic answer would be.. go somewhere else we dont cover that. |
| 13:58:59 | Wembly | noidd: actualy its publish a paper and get everyone to use it. |
| 13:59:04 | Wembly | noidd: then win a nobel prize |
| 14:00:06 | noidd | reffers the honourable gentleman to the "Academic Paper" generating webpage which was an experiment to see if a well respected publication would publish something automatically generated. They did ;-0 |
| 14:00:56 | Wembly | assert that you know something. |
| 14:01:01 | Wembly | and people will believe it as fact. |
| 14:01:04 | Wembly | whats your point? |
| 14:01:24 | Wembly | when was the last time you questioned what a book said? |
| 14:01:37 | Wembly | even if it was as simple as does 2+2 really equal 4? |
| 14:02:40 | XavierXeon | i had a lecturer who spend 4 hours on proving that 1+1=2 |
| 14:02:59 | Speedy2 | For me, it's more intuitive |
| 14:03:04 | Speedy2 | An example is worth more than a formal proof |
| 14:03:10 | noidd | Wembly: I reffused to accept the assertion that hubbles constant was constant. It just didnt make sense to me as it didn't conceptualy fit with my idea of the expanding universe. 8 months later it was proved not to be by observation. They still teach it is tho as they have no alternative theory. |
| 14:03:11 | Wembly | i mean if it wasnt for speedy we'd be going on about a broken idea of smp and stuffs. but then again if it wasnt for speedy the topic woulda never come up. |
| 14:03:23 | Speedy2 | Heh |
| 14:03:26 | Speedy2 | All my fault, huh? |
| 14:03:30 | Speedy2 | "Kill me now!" |
| 14:03:48 | Wembly | kill -9 speedy2 |
| 14:04:02 | Wembly | shutdown -h now |
| 14:04:08 | Speedy2 | dies |
| 14:04:35 | noidd | time to give my Zaurus a hostname. |
| 14:04:37 | Speedy2 | Actually, I need to goto Walmart to get this battery checked |
| 14:04:49 | Speedy2 | And then goto Frys to buy some Ferric Chloride etchant |
| 14:05:00 | Wembly | gawd iv never been to fry's |
| 14:05:07 | noidd | nor I |
| 14:05:09 | Wembly | sounds like a cross between radio shack and compusa |
| 14:05:09 | Speedy2 | Well...I'm buying some chemicals |
| 14:05:21 | Speedy2 | Ferric Chloride to etch myself a PCB |
| 14:05:25 | Wembly | yea i know |
| 14:05:26 | Wembly | well |
| 14:05:33 | Wembly | i didnt know that it was for that exactly |
| 14:05:36 | Speedy2 | heh |
| 14:05:46 | Wembly | i just kinda assumed it was by the word etchant and the fact that its coming from frys :) |
| 14:06:01 | Wembly | what are you going to do with that pcb? |
| 14:06:10 | Speedy2 | Building my 150W uber-battery charger |
| 14:06:32 | Wembly | umm ok |
| 14:06:39 | Wembly | *looks rather confused* |
| 14:06:42 | Wembly | what is it gonna do? |
| 14:06:47 | Wembly | flash the damned battery full? |
| 14:06:59 | Speedy2 | Charge NiCd, NiMH, LiOn, Sealed-Lead-Acid cells |
| 14:07:08 | Speedy2 | At a charge current of upto 5.1 A, upto 20+ cells |
| 14:07:26 | Wembly | spiffs |
| 14:07:28 | Speedy2 | Using a switching power supply that I'm about to apply for a patent on |
| 14:07:45 | Wembly | does it clear the memory of the nicd/nihm batterys? |
| 14:07:46 | Speedy2 | 4x20 LCD, PC software to monitor charge status, etc. |
| 14:07:49 | Wembly | if thats possable. |
| 14:07:56 | Speedy2 | Wembly: Yes, but technically there is no memory effect these days |
| 14:07:59 | Speedy2 | Built-in discharger, etc |
| 14:08:01 | Speedy2 | Loads of features |
| 14:08:06 | Speedy2 | I'll give more details as it nears completion. |
| 14:08:08 | Wembly | spiffs |
| 14:08:12 | Speedy2 | It will be a commercial product. |
| 14:08:29 | noidd | Speedy2: that sounds great - well done. |
| 14:08:34 | Speedy2 | Thanks my friend |
| 14:08:43 | Speedy2 | Over 2 years worth of research |
| 14:09:29 | XavierXeon | Speedy2: you should do a bit more frankensience and charge your battery with lightning |
| 14:09:47 | Speedy2 | XavierXeon: And to think I wasted my time... |
| 14:34:17 | ljp | is there a debian arm ftp site? |
| 14:34:31 | whardier | hi all |
| 14:34:41 | whardier | Oakenfold concert ruled |
| 14:34:54 | Wembly | i think the ftp sites that mirror x86 also mirror arm? ftp.us.debian.org id think would definatly have it? |
| 14:35:51 | BeFrank | hi |
| 14:36:21 | XavierXeon | ljp: ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/dists/potato/main/binary-arm/ for example. the structure should be the same on all debian mirrors |
| 14:36:42 | Wembly | err nm. |
| 14:37:43 | ljp | cool, thanks |
| 14:38:21 | ljp | anyone know which .deb would have /sbin/arp? |
| 14:40:03 | XavierXeon | what is it used for |
| 14:40:54 | ljp | anyone use debian here? |
| 14:45:09 | XavierXeon | ljp: does it belong to the arp daemon ? |
| 14:45:25 | whardier | ljp |
| 14:45:28 | whardier | cat /proc/net/arp |
| 14:45:37 | whardier | heh |
| 14:46:08 | whardier | or |
| 14:46:10 | whardier | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=%2Fsbin%2Farp&searchmode=searchfiles&case=insensitive&version=stable&arch=i386 |
| 14:46:18 | whardier | are you using debian now ljp ? |
| 14:46:23 | whardier | or porting more stuff to OZ |
| 14:46:59 | ljp | looking for /sbin/arp arm binary |
| 14:47:04 | whardier | ah |
| 14:47:24 | ljp | in mandrake its in the net-tools rpm |
| 14:47:25 | whardier | you should slap that into OZ |
| 14:47:34 | whardier | netbase on debian |
| 14:47:40 | ljp | I know.. |
| 14:47:47 | whardier | smartypants |
| 14:47:50 | ljp | cool, thx |
| 14:48:22 | whardier | whoot yap yip yarp |
| 14:48:26 | whardier | augh |
| 14:48:52 | Speedy2 | aooogha |
| 14:49:10 | noidd | Oh, did the new version of OZ come out yesterday in the end? |
| 14:49:16 | ljp | hmm alien: command not found ;( |
| 14:49:26 | ljp | doubt it, kergoth got a headache |
| 14:50:31 | noidd | I'm not surprised - he was having too much fun with the serial drivers |
| 14:50:53 | Cloudchaser | 'mornin |
| 14:50:58 | ljp | hi |
| 14:51:37 | noidd | hey Cloudchaser |
| 14:52:06 | Cloudchaser | whats news this morning? |
| 14:52:39 | whardier | I am a happy happy man |
| 14:52:45 | whardier | thats whats new |
| 14:52:55 | Cloudchaser | why's that whardier? |
| 14:52:58 | whardier | I finally got to go to redrocks |
| 14:53:02 | whardier | I have never been before |
| 14:53:10 | Cloudchaser | redrocks? |
| 14:53:33 | whardier | creams |
| 14:53:37 | ljp | man,.. I saw Sonny and Cher at red rocks |
| 14:53:42 | whardier | haha |
| 14:53:47 | noidd | "ssh 192.168.129.201 tar -cvf - /home > zbackup.tar" - rocks. |
| 14:54:05 | whardier | Cloudchaser big natural amphitheater |
| 14:54:06 | ljp | redrocks ampitheater |
| 14:54:12 | ljp | :) |
| 14:54:24 | Cloudchaser | ah :) well that's great :) |
| 14:54:28 | Cloudchaser | glad you had some fun |
| 14:54:29 | whardier | saw Paul Oakenfold, Bad Boy Bill, and Georga Acausta |
| 14:54:30 | ljp | you know there's stairs to the top of the rock on the north? |
| 14:54:38 | whardier | grinded and got down with a few dozen chicks |
| 14:54:45 | ljp | woot! |
| 14:54:45 | whardier | I am a hapyp little whardier |
| 14:54:56 | whardier | made LOTS of boyfriends VERY MAD AT ME |
| 14:54:57 | ljp | you have a happy little whardier? |
| 14:55:02 | whardier | si |
| 14:55:18 | whardier | happy happy joy joy |
| 14:55:22 | ljp | alien needs perl? |
| 14:55:24 | whardier | amazingly good time |
| 14:55:33 | whardier | to bad all the chicks I were dancing with were drugged |
| 14:56:06 | whardier | that sort of rules out that sort of thing happening say.. in the middle of a street somewhere |
| 14:56:19 | W|GGL|T | is back (gone 08:16:31) |
| 14:56:35 | Cloudchaser | heya W|GGL|T |
| 14:56:39 | W|GGL|T | morning |
| 14:56:49 | W|GGL|T | hi Cloudchaser |
| 14:57:01 | XavierXeon | ljp: arp is in the net-tools debian package |
| 14:57:49 | W|GGL|T | is the z-general list broken today? haven't seen any traffic today...or is it always slow on sundays? |
| 14:58:08 | ljp | whats opie-client? |
| 14:59:05 | whardier | happy little whardier |
| 14:59:17 | noidd | argh, headache - need ice-cream |
| 14:59:25 | whardier | I would love some icecream! |
| 15:00:33 | W|GGL|T | anyone? |
| 15:00:42 | Cloudchaser | W|GGL|T i noticed the same thing |
| 15:00:48 | Cloudchaser | no new news |
| 15:01:03 | W|GGL|T | ok...thought it was just me |
| 15:01:53 | W|GGL|T | thanks Cloudchaser |
| 15:03:13 | W|GGL|T | and i can see that my filter needs configuring...grrr |
| 15:03:40 | whardier | http://segfault.bogomip.com/iwish.png |
| 15:03:44 | whardier | I still really wanna make that |
| 15:04:26 | noidd | wonders if this is the right channel to ask this question |
| 15:04:49 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
| 15:05:00 | W|GGL|T | damn...that screenshot is pretty |
| 15:05:35 | Cloudchaser | yeah it is whardier |
| 15:05:46 | treke|home | what is it? |
| 15:05:47 | noidd | but do any of you know anything about evas |
| 15:06:04 | noidd | was that screenshot that did it |
| 15:06:10 | treke|home | noidd: I'm roughly familiar with it |
| 15:06:20 | whardier | noidd no that was the gimp |
| 15:06:21 | treke|home | So thats the environment raster was working on |
| 15:06:30 | W|GGL|T | looks like an alarm program |
| 15:06:36 | noidd | treke_: I heard a rumour that it was being ported to a handheld environment |
| 15:06:47 | treke|home | noidd: Not a rumour :) |
| 15:06:50 | ljp | cant find the net-tools .deb |
| 15:06:52 | noidd | Oh, tell me more! |
| 15:07:16 | noidd | who? what? when? where? (actually - I can guess who) |
| 15:07:21 | treke|home | noidd: It/parts of it have been ported to work on the ipaq frame buffer |
| 15:07:25 | whardier | Evas would make me happy to have on the Zaurus |
| 15:07:36 | Cloudchaser | whats Evas? |
| 15:07:43 | treke|home | who was rasterman. when was a couple months ago. and where is somewhere on rasterman.com |
| 15:07:46 | noidd | it was that screenshot that made me think |
| 15:07:50 | noidd | about it |
| 15:08:09 | noidd | treke_: as an alternative to qpe etc |
| 15:08:12 | treke|home | Cloudchaser: It's a canvas library. Does things like images, shapes, alpha blending, fonts |
| 15:08:17 | Cloudchaser | ah |
| 15:08:21 | noidd | or as an additional widget |
| 15:08:31 | XavierXeon | ljp: http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/pool/main/n/net-tools/ |
| 15:08:37 | treke|home | noidd: Its an alternative to qpe |
| 15:08:39 | Cloudchaser | http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~bcpierce/unison/ |
| 15:08:43 | Cloudchaser | that's my next attempt |
| 15:08:59 | reeyees | woot |
| 15:08:59 | ljp | actually.. /sbin/arp is on the Sharp rom... heh.. |
| 15:09:00 | treke|home | I tried out his rearly build, it was purty :) |
| 15:09:08 | noidd | treke_: well, if anyone can pull that off with np fpu... he can |
| 15:09:13 | ljp | thasnk Xavier |
| 15:09:29 | noidd | treke_: yah - I got e17 running here on my desktop. With hardware accelleration its *sweet* |
| 15:09:39 | treke|home | noidd: He's in #handhelds.org quite a bit, if you have questions |
| 15:09:40 | noidd | but with no hardware or fpu, its going to take a hit |
| 15:09:59 | reeyees | im using irc on my nokia communicator :) |
| 15:09:59 | noidd | but saying that, we're only talking 320x2xx |
| 15:10:44 | whardier | time to wake up the nbeighbors |
| 15:10:46 | noidd | treke_: only questions I want to ask would be on the website... how, when, and where |
| 15:10:54 | noidd | and portability to Z :-) |
| 15:10:54 | treke|home | noidd: It actually didnt seem too bad to me. For most of the things he wanted to do, it would be ok. |
| 15:11:15 | noidd | treke_: you have the seven wonders of the world demo? |
| 15:11:24 | whardier | so why does evas need to be ported to the framebuffer? |
| 15:11:29 | treke|home | yes, long time ago |
| 15:11:51 | treke|home | whardier: Because he wanted to write his own environment |
| 15:11:56 | noidd | aye, thats the last thing I saw of it - its very very old but thats the last thing in e17 cvs demowise |
| 15:11:57 | whardier | go fer it |
| 15:12:20 | noidd | rumour has it he quit e17 development to persue it |
| 15:13:07 | noidd | but that came from disgruntled @ #e ;-) |
| 15:13:10 | treke|home | He not doing e anymore? |
| 15:13:57 | noidd | well, last cvs update i did on e17 was 2 months ago |
| 15:14:06 | noidd | let me do an update now and see what i get |
| 15:14:33 | whardier | yes or no on this design |
| 15:14:34 | whardier | http://segfault.bogomip.com/proto/elixir/indexhappy.html |
| 15:15:16 | treke|home | noidd: I remember a mailing list post from him saying he was bored with E, and this was right around the time he was playing with evas on his ipaq. |
| 15:15:56 | whardier | I woooould not mind loading tinyx on the Z |
| 15:16:00 | whardier | then porting the evas libs |
| 15:16:08 | whardier | that would make me happy |
| 15:16:11 | W|GGL|T | carap! just when i was gonna go to Target, it starts pouring cats and dogs |
| 15:16:16 | whardier | hmm |
| 15:16:20 | whardier | you can sell those |
| 15:16:25 | ljp | whardier: what?!? no flash?! |
| 15:16:34 | whardier | ljp: you want flash? |
| 15:16:52 | whardier | I was gonna add a flash intro to http://www.vasicom.net |
| 15:16:53 | ljp | heheh no |
| 15:18:54 | kergoth | agh i need to wake up |
| 15:19:04 | kergoth | stretches |
| 15:19:06 | treke|home | or maybe you should just go back to sleep |
| 15:19:20 | ljp | has been drinking espresso since 6:38 |
| 15:19:32 | Wembly | iv been trying to avoid sleep since 1am |
| 15:20:03 | whardier | UNDERTOW |
| 15:20:05 | whardier | creams |
| 15:20:16 | Wembly | whardier: ummm hehe |
| 15:20:21 | kergoth | nah I need to wake up because the oz3b10.3 release got delayed, my computer REFUSES to obtain an ip from my cable modem when i'm in linux.. but it works flawless in windows. wtf |
| 15:20:24 | Wembly | whardier: aenima? (sp?) |
| 15:20:47 | Wembly | kergoth: probly your isp hating you hehe |
| 15:20:49 | whardier | no |
| 15:20:50 | whardier | undertow |
| 15:20:55 | Wembly | ok wtf is with alumnim cases? |
| 15:21:10 | Wembly | whardier: tool? |
| 15:21:14 | whardier | si |
| 15:21:34 | whardier | fires up some prison sex |
| 15:22:26 | treke|home | noidd: He's taken it off his site, might be in cvs now |
| 15:24:24 | noidd | treke_: he has been doing it for years now so who could blame him :-) |
| 15:24:48 | whardier | I am afraid.. if I go outside |
| 15:24:48 | noidd | notes the projects of his that has suffered at the expense of his Z :-) |
| 15:24:54 | whardier | I will try to grind with random passerbys |
| 15:25:27 | SmBJ_ | haha |
| 15:25:46 | Wembly | noidd: what project? |
| 15:26:19 | treke|home | noidd: http://www.geocrawler.com/archives/3/6973/2002/1/350/7526953/. there ya go |
| 15:26:24 | noidd | Wembly: all my work mainly, the stuff I get paid for :-P |
| 15:26:34 | noidd | treke_: you're a gentleman and a scholor, thanks :-) |
| 15:26:49 | noidd | waits to be chided that treke is a girly as well as Cloudchaser |
| 15:26:53 | treke|home | hehe. wrong on both counts |
| 15:27:05 | whardier | treke is a girly? |
| 15:27:07 | treke|home | well all three counts |
| 15:27:15 | whardier | looks like a greg! |
| 15:27:19 | treke|home | girly maaan |
| 15:27:49 | XavierXeon | treke|home is a martian agent |
| 15:27:52 | ljp | I'm a lesbian in a mans body |
| 15:27:55 | noidd | treke_: 9th may 2002 - slowed around marhish |
| 15:27:59 | noidd | marchism |
| 15:28:01 | noidd | marchish |
| 15:28:05 | whardier | is a lesbian in a mans body as well |
| 15:28:11 | whardier | and I am strangely attracted to ljp |
| 15:28:12 | noidd | marchism, sounds like a political movement ;-) |
| 15:30:19 | ljp | heh.. too bad, whardier... got to have boobs for me! |
| 15:32:34 | Cloudchaser | alrighty then... |
| 15:32:42 | ljp | hehehe |
| 15:34:07 | noidd | do mens obsession with boobs come from nature, nurture, the darwinian idea that big breats mean good method of feeding for the babies (gene carriers) or just the fact that men dont have them and want everything. |
| 15:34:10 | ljp | hates mysterious segfaults |
| 15:34:26 | ljp | cause we dont have them, and they are fun |
| 15:34:37 | cranch | Anyone know where to find a Palm ROM? I'm trying to figure out how to run Qpose |
| 15:34:56 | noidd | cranch: yes, you download the ROM off your palm |
| 15:35:04 | cranch | ;) |
| 15:35:23 | cranch | k..I thought I'd heard someone say on here that they are available from Palm.... |
| 15:35:23 | noidd | as I said - you download the ROM off YOUR palm |
| 15:35:37 | noidd | cranch: actually - they are - if you sign their licence agreement |
| 15:35:42 | treke|home | cranch: They are, you have to sign up for their developer program |
| 15:35:50 | noidd | cranch: you have to register as a palm developer for that |
| 15:35:54 | cranch | ahhhh... gotcha |
| 15:36:19 | cranch | I'm not out to screw anyone..trying to be legal ;) |
| 15:36:19 | Wembly | is away. Automatically set away [SZon] |
| 15:36:25 | noidd | qpose gave me bad karma |
| 15:36:34 | cranch | I need games for my Z :) |
| 15:36:35 | cranch | haha |
| 15:36:44 | noidd | when I run it - it eats memory |
| 15:36:57 | noidd | three processes at 16meg each, run-size |
| 15:36:59 | mark | noidd: it does indeed, try an old rom |
| 15:37:10 | mark | they are better apparently |
| 15:37:21 | treke|home | cranch: lots of fine games for the zaurus |
| 15:37:22 | | I haven't seen 'catalan', mark |
| 15:37:22 | mark | ibot: seen catalan |
| 15:37:23 | XavierXeon | cranch: you can also try google for a palm rom |
| 15:37:24 | | catalin was last seen on #zaurus 5 days, 19 hours, 53 minutes and 58 seconds ago, saying: benmeyer: linux runs much faster than o'sex on the same hardware [Mon Jul 8 20:43:26 2002] |
| 15:37:24 | mark | ibot: seen catalin |
| 15:37:27 | cranch | zmame |
| 15:37:45 | noidd | cranch: but we wouldn't reccomend that ;-) |
| 15:37:48 | treke|home | qmoki |
| 15:37:52 | cranch | googling? |
| 15:37:56 | whardier | wants to go do the salsa |
| 15:38:52 | noidd | there is probably a clause in the palm contract that says you must destroy your zaurus, kill off your firstborn and develop palm apps to the end of your days |
| 15:38:54 | noidd | :-) |
| 15:39:12 | ljp | signed up for plam developer |
| 15:39:17 | ljp | palm even |
| 15:39:30 | cranch | wants to be a plam developer |
| 15:39:51 | XavierXeon | noidd: i doubt that. it probably say you have to buy palm apps to the end of your days |
| 15:40:28 | noidd | hehe, |
| 15:40:59 | noidd | UK brit seeks UK ROM for loving relationship |
| 15:41:05 | | bugger all, i dunno, noidd |
| 15:41:05 | noidd | ibot, UK? |
| 15:41:10 | | i don't know, noidd |
| 15:41:10 | noidd | ibot, ROMS? |
| 15:41:11 | cranch | anyone run Zmame? |
| 15:41:20 | noidd | lets ask you a question you DO know. |
| 15:41:22 | tilde | where can I find a compatibility listing for compact flash memory cards? |
| 15:41:23 | | well, zaurus is at http://developer.sharpsec.com/index.cfm or the closest thing to sex you can get in the palm of my hand. |
| 15:41:23 | noidd | ibot, zaurus? |
| 15:41:54 | | noidd: excuse me? |
| 15:41:54 | noidd | ibot, zaurus s/my/your/ |
| 15:42:21 | | OK, cranch. |
| 15:42:21 | cranch | ibot: noidd is trying to help |
| 15:42:28 | cranch | ;) |
| 15:42:31 | | That doesn't contain 'my', noidd |
| 15:42:31 | noidd | ibot, zaurus =~ s/my/your/ |
| 15:42:46 | | cranch: what? |
| 15:42:46 | cranch | ibot: zmame |
| 15:42:48 | | noidd: I forgot zaurus |
| 15:42:48 | noidd | ibot, forget zaurus |
| 15:43:00 | | noidd is trying to help |
| 15:43:00 | XavierXeon | ibot: noidd |
| 15:43:07 | | OK, noidd. |
| 15:43:07 | noidd | ibot, zaurus is the closest thing to sex you can get in the palm of your hand |
| 15:43:09 | XavierXeon | LOL |
| 15:43:14 | cranch | hehe |
| 15:43:18 | | ...but zaurus is the closest thing to sex you can get in the palm of ibot's hand... |
| 15:43:18 | noidd | ibot, zaurus is at http://developer.sharpsec.com/index.cfm |
| 15:43:26 | | okay, noidd. |
| 15:43:26 | noidd | ibot, zaurus is also at http://developer.sharpsec.com/index.cfm |
| 15:43:30 | | well, zaurus is the closest thing to sex you can get in the palm of my hand or at http://developer.sharpsec.com/index.cfm |
| 15:43:30 | noidd | ibot, zaurus |
| 15:43:44 | Cloudchaser | lol |
| 15:43:49 | noidd | silly bot, its the wrong way around. |
| 15:43:57 | noidd | meant to do URL's before factiods |
| 15:44:15 | XavierXeon | important stuff first |
| 15:44:24 | | noidd: i'm not following you... |
| 15:44:24 | noidd | ibot, i'm taking this to tells |
| 15:44:29 | noidd | you will |
| 15:44:32 | whardier | SWAMP SONG |
| 15:44:33 | whardier | AASDFHASDLJFJHALSDJKHLa |
| 15:44:36 | whardier | DIES! |
| 15:45:28 | noidd | ah ha, |
| 15:45:37 | noidd | ibot is translating your/my |
| 15:46:00 | noidd | since when you say your to him, he thinks your reffering to his hand and so says my |
| 15:46:30 | XavierXeon | how many hands has ibot ? |
| 15:47:19 | noidd | success |
| 15:47:23 | | zaurus is, like, at http://developer.sharpsec.com/index.cfm or the closest thing to sex I can get in the palm of my hand |
| 15:47:23 | noidd | ibot, zaurus? |
| 15:47:46 | noidd | retires, clearly shaken |
| 15:52:29 | cranch | if only I could get ethernet sharing to my Z |
| 15:53:07 | NetAmp | howdy |
| 15:53:16 | XavierXeon | wb NetAmp |
| 15:53:20 | tux_mike | hey net |
| 15:53:22 | NetAmp | thnx :) |
| 15:53:57 | NetAmp | Had there been any news on the little mic. for the Z? |
| 15:53:58 | ljp | bugger, bugger, bugger |
| 15:54:11 | ljp | my Z has a mic |
| 15:54:22 | NetAmp | The manual says 'commercially available' but I've never actually seend it being sold |
| 15:55:02 | ljp | ahhh |
| 15:55:12 | NetAmp | what's wrong ljp? |
| 15:55:26 | NetAmp | having a rough day? |
| 15:55:31 | ljp | mysterious segfaulting on some app I'm working on |
| 15:55:35 | NetAmp | :( |
| 15:55:52 | ljp | strace reveals nothing |
| 15:55:53 | tux_mike | not as bad as my mysterious segfaulting of i |
| 15:55:55 | tux_mike | opie |
| 15:56:15 | ljp | might have to *gasp* fire up *gasp* gdb |
| 15:56:49 | whardier | werd |
| 15:56:54 | NetAmp | ljp: what mic are you using? |
| 15:57:07 | ljp | mic implant |
| 15:57:14 | NetAmp | ah cool :) |
| 15:57:33 | ljp | need to put in a diode tho |
| 15:57:39 | NetAmp | I guess I won't put my poor Z through that ;) |
| 15:57:52 | ljp | I had an extra.. :) |
| 15:57:58 | NetAmp | hehe |
| 15:58:28 | ljp | works, well. but you have to pul lout the headphones when recording |
| 15:59:02 | NetAmp | :) |
| 15:59:17 | W|GGL|T | what about those headphones with a mic? |
| 15:59:57 | whardier | http://hardwire.bogomip.com/gallery/view_photo.php?set_albumName=Artwork&id=ack <- you guys think perty? |
| 16:00:05 | NetAmp | W|GGL|T: hm.. well most have two separate plugs don't they? |
| 16:00:40 | NetAmp | whardier: neat |
| 16:00:54 | whardier | :) |
| 16:00:55 | W|GGL|T | doh....yeah |
| 16:00:57 | whardier | joy |
| 16:00:57 | W|GGL|T | forgot about that |
| 16:01:13 | whardier | COLY SHIT! |
| 16:01:17 | NetAmp | W|GGL|T: hehe np, I though of it once but then that problem occured to me ;) |
| 16:01:18 | W|GGL|T | what if you use one of those 2-into-1 plugs then? |
| 16:01:19 | whardier | I left giFT running |
| 16:01:23 | W|GGL|T | doesn't work? |
| 16:01:28 | whardier | I have about 4 days of new mixes to go thru! |
| 16:01:37 | NetAmp | maybe.. if you get a stereo one |
| 16:01:52 | ljp | is that the new pingizaurus 3d guy? |
| 16:01:56 | NetAmp | I've also thougt about the one for my mobile phone |
| 16:02:02 | NetAmp | but that has only one earpiece |
| 16:02:16 | NetAmp | and it'd need a converter because of the smaller plug.. |
| 16:02:30 | treke|home | ljp: Looks more like a watc to me |
| 16:02:41 | sig | mornin W|GGL|T |
| 16:02:43 | ljp | hehehe.. I know |
| 16:02:48 | sig | yawns |
| 16:02:50 | W|GGL|T | hi sig |
| 16:02:54 | NetAmp | Yeah I want Pingizauru 3D! ;) |
| 16:02:56 | W|GGL|T | what's up? |
| 16:03:00 | whardier | hehe |
| 16:03:00 | sig | notta |
| 16:03:04 | sig | just woke up |
| 16:03:05 | whardier | I have prelim designs |
| 16:03:09 | sig | whats up whardier |
| 16:03:18 | whardier | they suck |
| 16:03:24 | whardier | I could do some work on pingi3d today |
| 16:03:25 | sig | firestarter is a nice firewall tool W|GGL|T |
| 16:03:31 | sig | I fixed my problem |
| 16:04:17 | whardier | you guys ready to love me? |
| 16:04:30 | NetAmp | haha |
| 16:04:33 | whardier | http://segfault.bogomip.com/bastard/movies/spiderman/spiderman.divx.avi |
| 16:04:42 | W|GGL|T | uses a hardware router |
| 16:04:56 | whardier | I have a VERY fun firewall system that I wrote |
| 16:04:56 | whardier | heh |
| 16:05:04 | sig | W|GGL|T: I use a router too |
| 16:05:04 | NetAmp | Hey i'm starting to love you ;) |
| 16:05:08 | sig | but still I use a firewall |
| 16:05:14 | NetAmp | I still like this GUI http://hardwire.bogomip.com/gallery/view_photo.php?set_albumName=Artwork&id=acj |
| 16:05:15 | whardier | NetAmp its a DAMN GOOD screen rip |
| 16:05:27 | sig | who knows that site with the funny irc quotes? |
| 16:05:28 | NetAmp | whardier: sweet |
| 16:05:29 | W|GGL|T | sig: what do you use firestarter for...that's the second time in 24 hrs that I've heard about that program |
| 16:05:30 | whardier | NetAmp I can make it happen now |
| 16:05:33 | whardier | I just need time to do it |
| 16:05:41 | W|GGL|T | sig: got that somewhere...lemme check |
| 16:05:52 | NetAmp | you can? as a theme? |
| 16:05:53 | sig | cool |
| 16:06:08 | whardier | yeah |
| 16:06:14 | NetAmp | :D |
| 16:06:14 | W|GGL|T | good lord, NS6 is slow |
| 16:06:19 | whardier | I know how to do it now after spending a few counless hours inside liquid |
| 16:06:28 | NetAmp | heh |
| 16:06:38 | whardier | I just don't have the time |
| 16:06:45 | whardier | and I need to pick on scanline for the gaussian blur |
| 16:06:54 | NetAmp | ;) |
| 16:07:31 | whardier | http://segfault.bogomip.com/pingi_prelim.png |
| 16:07:35 | whardier | that is a VERY prelim test |
| 16:07:36 | whardier | heh |
| 16:07:43 | sig | hmmm, i'm running low on cashola |
| 16:07:44 | whardier | I need to get him done in povray |
| 16:07:46 | whardier | but that might take a while |
| 16:07:47 | NetAmp | haha cool ;) |
| 16:07:53 | whardier | that was done in truespace |
| 16:07:58 | NetAmp | TrueSpace rocks |
| 16:08:08 | whardier | it has a very nasty renderer |
| 16:08:13 | NetAmp | povray i've never tried.. |
| 16:08:21 | whardier | once you spend time with povray |
| 16:08:21 | W|GGL|T | sig: http://www.geekissues.org/quotes/?top |
| 16:08:23 | whardier | you don't wanna go back |
| 16:08:37 | ljp | no such domain |
| 16:08:43 | ljp | whardier |
| 16:08:44 | XavierXeon | wants rotating 3d pingizaurus as opie background |
| 16:09:07 | sig | these are so funny |
| 16:09:18 | whardier | ljp you cannot reach http://segfault.bogomip.com/pingi_prelim.png ? |
| 16:09:24 | NetAmp | XavierXeon: hah that's a great way of hogging down the Z's speed ;) |
| 16:09:33 | XavierXeon | indeed |
| 16:09:33 | W|GGL|T | hehe |
| 16:09:37 | ljp | nope |
| 16:09:43 | sig | <BombScare> i beat the internet |
| 16:09:43 | sig | <BombScare> the end guy is hard |
| 16:09:47 | whardier | p2 host segfault.bogomip.com |
| 16:09:48 | sig | lol, that one is funny |
| 16:09:59 | whardier | ibot nslookup segfault.bogomip.com |
| 16:10:00 | NetAmp | <[SA]HatfulOfHollow> i'm going to become rich and famous after i invent a device that allows you to stab people in the face over the internet |
| 16:10:00 | W|GGL|T | ok...imma round up the girls then go to Target and Circuit City |
| 16:10:01 | | segfault.bogomip.com is 12.252.51.54 |
| 16:10:08 | whardier | http://12.252.51.54/pingi_prelim.png |
| 16:10:10 | sig | W|GGL|T: have fun |
| 16:10:11 | sig | :) |
| 16:10:29 | whardier | [-(Sun 2002-07-14 11:12:46)-(~/public_html/)-]> ping 12.252.51.54 (hardwire @ BastarD) |
| 16:10:30 | whardier | PING 12.252.51.54 (12.252.51.54): 56 data bytes |
| 16:10:30 | whardier | 64 bytes from 10.21.0.3: icmp_seq=0 ttl=255 time=0.8 ms |
| 16:10:32 | whardier | thats wrong huh |
| 16:10:33 | whardier | hehehe |
| 16:10:35 | W|GGL|T | yeah...gotta try to go between rain bursts :| |
| 16:10:51 | sig | its raining there..... that sucks |
| 16:10:59 | sig | didn't know it rained in Texas |
| 16:11:02 | NetAmp | <+kritical> christin: you need to learn how to figure out stuff yourself.. |
| 16:11:02 | NetAmp | <+Christin1> how do i do that |
| 16:11:04 | W|GGL|T | yeah, the last thing we need is more rain |
| 16:11:08 | NetAmp | hehe |
| 16:11:11 | mdz_ | is there available a copy of the exact kernel config used in the stock Zaurus kernel? |
| 16:11:14 | ljp | rains alot in texas at times |
| 16:11:14 | W|GGL|T | sig: lol...you been reading the news lately? |
| 16:11:17 | W|GGL|T | bigtime flooding |
| 16:11:20 | sig | W|GGL|T: yeah |
| 16:11:21 | sig | haha |
| 16:11:25 | sig | I've seen that |
| 16:11:33 | sig | a few people have been killed huh |
| 16:11:34 | ljp | mdz_: yes, in the kernel source from Sharp |
| 16:11:37 | W|GGL|T | yeah |
| 16:11:45 | sig | that sucks |
| 16:11:51 | sig | don't drop your z in the water |
| 16:11:57 | W|GGL|T | needs a good SUV...just to fill a BIT safer |
| 16:12:10 | W|GGL|T | awd rules! |
| 16:12:22 | ljp | thinks W|GGL|T needs a canoe |
| 16:12:27 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 16:12:30 | whardier | haha |
| 16:12:32 | sig | yeah |
| 16:12:32 | W|GGL|T | or a boat-car |
| 16:12:36 | sig | or get a good ski boat |
| 16:12:46 | ljp | jet ski |
| 16:12:53 | W|GGL|T | james bond's car...the submarine Lotus |
| 16:12:53 | mdz_ | ljp: where? It's not in .config |
| 16:12:54 | jbwiv | hey guys. are there any Z apps that will provide a graphical summary of disk usage? |
| 16:13:12 | mdz_ | ljp: I looked in linux-sl5000d-20020318.tar.bz2 |
| 16:14:02 | XavierXeon | jbwiv: sysinfo |
| 16:14:13 | mdz_ | hm, perhaps arch/arm/collie or arch/arm/collie-jffs2 |
| 16:14:26 | mdz_ | er, arch/arm/def-configs/... |
| 16:14:42 | ljp | yes thats it |
| 16:14:50 | jbwiv | XavierXeon: well, I'm looking for more of a "broken down by filesystem/dir" usage display |
| 16:15:08 | jbwiv | so I can tell where the files are that are soaking up space. |
| 16:15:15 | XavierXeon | du -h |
| 16:15:23 | XavierXeon | in the terminal |
| 16:15:24 | jbwiv | I can do it from the command line, but would rather have a gui if there is one |
| 16:15:27 | jbwiv | yes |
| 16:17:29 | jbwiv | anything else? |
| 16:17:36 | mdz_ | jbwiv: if you have X, xdiskusage does that |
| 16:17:48 | cranch | anyone know how to install zmame? |
| 16:17:52 | whardier | l;askdjfl;askjdf |
| 16:18:10 | cranch | I untar the file and nothing has an extension on it...do I just add .ipkg on the back of the zmame file in the .tar.gz? |
| 16:18:13 | jbwiv | mdz_: no X installed yet. thx thoe |
| 16:19:08 | treke|home | jbwiv: Think thats available in opie-sh-apps |
| 16:19:32 | whardier | anybody have truespace 5 |
| 16:19:32 | whardier | ? |
| 16:19:43 | NetAmp | err.. lemme check |
| 16:19:48 | NetAmp | dunno if I got 5 |
| 16:21:14 | jbwiv | treke|home: cool. thanks. I'll take a look. |
| 16:22:06 | NetAmp | whardier: I've got it, my upload speed isn't that great though |
| 16:22:12 | NetAmp | :s |
| 16:22:26 | whardier | NetAmp can I slowly suck away? |
| 16:22:45 | NetAmp | um do you have ftp running? I haven't... |
| 16:22:45 | jbwiv | also, I'm trying to write a script that will back up my zaurus using scp. Are there any sites/docs out there that provide a quick rundown of the Z filesystem? Need to determine what I *need* to back up. |
| 16:22:46 | jbwiv | thx |
| 16:23:05 | NetAmp | could try DCC maybe... |
| 16:23:27 | siriusnov | yo |
| 16:23:30 | whardier | let me give you ftp |
| 16:23:34 | NetAmp | k |
| 16:23:40 | NetAmp | I'll go check the filesize.. |
| 16:24:02 | XavierXeon | jbwiv: do use the sharp rom |
| 16:24:03 | siriusnov | hey is anyone making a streaming shoutcast player or not? |
| 16:24:13 | siriusnov | and Im looking for mpg123 for the Zaurus |
| 16:24:32 | XavierXeon | wants wipeout on the Z |
| 16:26:16 | siriusnov | there hasnt been a lot of new software coming out for the Z |
| 16:26:17 | siriusnov | :( |
| 16:26:21 | siriusnov | no new toys to play with |
| 16:26:27 | siriusnov | at killefiz.de |
| 16:26:42 | ljp | write some |
| 16:26:52 | siriusnov | im not a programmer |
| 16:27:04 | whardier | sure you are |
| 16:27:04 | NetAmp | XavierXeon: yeah me too! |
| 16:27:05 | whardier | if I am |
| 16:27:07 | whardier | you can be too |
| 16:27:11 | siriusnov | heh |
| 16:27:15 | siriusnov | I need to learn tho |
| 16:27:15 | NetAmp | XavierXeon: WipeOutXL :P |
| 16:27:23 | whardier | Woot! |
| 16:27:43 | NetAmp | I'm gonna learn too.. gotta read Qt tutorial |
| 16:28:03 | siriusnov | what language do you need to learn to make apps on the Z? |
| 16:28:06 | ljp | its easy.. just copy and paste stuff.. |
| 16:28:16 | whardier | hehe |
| 16:28:41 | NetAmp | hah |
| 16:28:48 | siriusnov | heh |
| 16:28:56 | NetAmp | siriusnov: C++ with Qt lib |
| 16:29:00 | NetAmp | or Java :P :P :P |
| 16:29:01 | treke|home | siriusnov: C++/QT |
| 16:29:07 | treke|home | no. java is evil |
| 16:29:10 | NetAmp | haha |
| 16:29:11 | siriusnov | k well I dont know any of those |
| 16:29:14 | siriusnov | hehe |
| 16:29:18 | NetAmp | must agree there |
| 16:29:19 | siriusnov | im a total n00b at programming |
| 16:29:20 | ljp | you can write c apps |
| 16:29:25 | whardier | n00b! |
| 16:29:27 | whardier | hahahhaahaha! |
| 16:29:32 | whardier | b0n3r |
| 16:29:36 | siriusnov | hehe |
| 16:29:40 | NetAmp | I can do basic java stuff |
| 16:29:44 | NetAmp | whardier: lol |
| 16:29:58 | NetAmp | whardier: time for someone's pills ;) |
| 16:30:08 | siriusnov | thats it |
| 16:30:12 | siriusnov | im learning C and QT |
| 16:30:19 | NetAmp | good4U |
| 16:30:20 | siriusnov | amd im going to port Quake III over |
| 16:30:21 | siriusnov | =P |
| 16:30:22 | siriusnov | and |
| 16:30:25 | jbwiv | XavierXeon: what do you mean? Compare the rom and use that to determine what I need to backup? |
| 16:30:25 | whardier | you n00b |
| 16:30:29 | siriusnov | hehehe |
| 16:30:29 | n00b | hahaha |
| 16:30:30 | NetAmp | And Unreal Tournament |
| 16:30:32 | ljp | needs more espresso to do much more coding today |
| 16:30:33 | n00b | this is a registered nick |
| 16:30:35 | siriusnov | yeah that too |
| 16:30:47 | siriusnov | Actually Im gonna point CounterStrike |
| 16:30:50 | siriusnov | hehe |
| 16:30:56 | siriusnov | port |
| 16:30:56 | NetAmp | riiight |
| 16:30:59 | siriusnov | hehe |
| 16:31:04 | ljp | wants someone to port pong to the Z |
| 16:31:06 | siriusnov | someone needs to improve the Quake port |
| 16:31:09 | NetAmp | or Return to Castle Wolfenstein |
| 16:31:11 | siriusnov | its slow as molasses |
| 16:31:13 | siriusnov | haha |
| 16:31:16 | siriusnov | that would be funny |
| 16:31:17 | XavierXeon | jbwiv: if you use the sharp rom you just have to back up /home and /mnt/card or /mnt/cf if you have installed things there |
| 16:31:19 | ljp | pong.. network style |
| 16:31:30 | NetAmp | ljp: IrDA? ;) |
| 16:31:31 | treke|home | ljp: just compile some sdl pong program |
| 16:31:48 | jbwiv | XavierXeon: cool, thx. That's exactly what I needed to know. If I decide to use OZ, that will change? |
| 16:31:59 | ljp | if theres no one on the other end.. the 'ball' goes off to never-never land |
| 16:32:16 | siriusnov | im still deciding wether to use OZ or not |
| 16:32:26 | siriusnov | whats the benefit and non-benefit of using OZ |
| 16:32:32 | ljp | you know much about linux? |
| 16:32:32 | siriusnov | over the Sharp's 2.37 |
| 16:32:36 | XavierXeon | jbwiv: under oz you can write to all directories so you need to find a way to restore them after a reset |
| 16:32:39 | siriusnov | who me? |
| 16:32:42 | ljp | yes you |
| 16:32:44 | NetAmp | yeah you |
| 16:32:48 | siriusnov | yeah I use FreeBSD and linux at home |
| 16:32:50 | siriusnov | on my servers |
| 16:32:53 | jbwiv | XavierXeon: cool. thanks man! |
| 16:33:01 | siriusnov | im mostly a FreeBSD guy tho |
| 16:33:08 | ljp | can you admin? if so.. go with oz |
| 16:33:18 | siriusnov | ok, what does OZ add? |
| 16:33:24 | ljp | coolness |
| 16:33:25 | siriusnov | and is it stable? |
| 16:33:28 | mdz_ | has anyone successfully cross-compiled a kernel for the Zaurus from an x86 system? |
| 16:33:28 | siriusnov | like what? |
| 16:33:35 | ljp | sure.. hasnt crashed on me yet |
| 16:33:38 | siriusnov | hmmm |
| 16:33:44 | siriusnov | any instructions on how to install it? |
| 16:33:57 | XavierXeon | i had a qpe segfault with oz |
| 16:34:00 | ljp | yes on sourceforge.. |
| 16:34:05 | siriusnov | url? |
| 16:34:09 | mdz_ | arm-linux-ld: ERROR: suspend.o uses hardware FP, whereas sa1100.o uses software FP |
| 16:34:11 | ljp | gak! really? |
| 16:34:32 | ljp | mdz_: contact kergoth |
| 16:34:41 | ljp | he's arm'd kernel |
| 16:34:59 | siriusnov | are there any Screenshots of OZ |
| 16:35:00 | XavierXeon | siriusnov: http://sourceforge.net/projects/openzaurus/ |
| 16:35:07 | siriusnov | not the crappy ones at opie |
| 16:35:19 | ljp | yes, at http://opie.handhelds.org |
| 16:35:28 | mdz_ | ljp: thanks. kergoth@digitalnemesis.net ? |
| 16:35:33 | ljp | opie.info, if you think the others are crappy |
| 16:35:42 | ljp | ya.. he's here somewhere |
| 16:35:56 | siriusnov | OZ includes opie right? |
| 16:36:00 | ljp | yes |
| 16:36:04 | siriusnov | k |
| 16:36:14 | ljp | oz is familiar, running sharps kernel with opie |
| 16:36:36 | siriusnov | k |
| 16:37:23 | siriusnov | which kernel do I use? |
| 16:37:25 | siriusnov | there are like 5 |
| 16:37:51 | siriusnov | zImage-beta7_20-12 821864 215 Other Other |
| 16:37:51 | siriusnov | zImage-beta7_26-6 821856 216 Other Other |
| 16:37:51 | siriusnov | zImage-beta7_32-32 821860 259 Other Other |
| 16:37:51 | siriusnov | zImage-beta7_40-24 821864 148 Other Other |
| 16:37:51 | siriusnov | zImage-beta7_48-16 |
| 16:37:54 | XavierXeon | siriusnov: read the README |
| 16:37:57 | siriusnov | i did |
| 16:38:01 | siriusnov | doesnt say anything about which one |
| 16:38:02 | ljp | read the readme.. you may want to wait for a bit, cause a new one is due |
| 16:38:08 | siriusnov | just says "select a kernel" |
| 16:38:21 | siriusnov | yeah |
| 16:38:22 | ljp | 5500? |
| 16:38:23 | siriusnov | i might just wait |
| 16:38:26 | siriusnov | yep 5500 |
| 16:38:33 | jbwiv | hey, OT question. there's a symlink giving scp brain damage when trying to back up home. Anyone know who to tell scp -r *not* to follow links? thx |
| 16:38:34 | ljp | go with the 40-24 kernel |
| 16:38:47 | siriusnov | ok, what If I just wait for 3.0 final? |
| 16:38:56 | ljp | thats going to be a while |
| 16:39:00 | siriusnov | =( |
| 16:39:01 | siriusnov | ok |
| 16:39:07 | siriusnov | I dont have a CF card tho |
| 16:39:16 | ljp | major changes between now and v3 final |
| 16:39:21 | ljp | oh.. |
| 16:39:24 | ljp | need cf |
| 16:39:27 | XavierXeon | jbwiv: i tar.gz /home to my sd card and then transfer the file |
| 16:39:29 | siriusnov | crap |
| 16:39:31 | siriusnov | I have SD |
| 16:39:33 | siriusnov | no CF |
| 16:39:51 | ljp | I think with oz you can get by with a 16 mb cf.. |
| 16:39:56 | jbwiv | XavierXeon: that's my problem. I don't have an SD|CF card ;( |
| 16:40:18 | XavierXeon | jbwiv: do you have linux pc ? |
| 16:40:29 | jbwiv | XavierXeon: yup...exclusively |
| 16:40:59 | XavierXeon | mount a nfs share of your pc to the Z and tar.gz to there |
| 16:41:14 | jbwiv | I was afraid you were going there ;-). |
| 16:41:16 | ljp | I am going to pull my hair out if I can find the segfault prob with this app |
| 16:41:19 | jbwiv | good idea tho. |
| 16:42:13 | ljp | can't find even |
| 16:43:00 | siriusnov | hey http://more.sbc.co.jp/slj/index.asp |
| 16:43:06 | siriusnov | i cant find instructions to flash the Z |
| 16:43:11 | siriusnov | on that site |
| 16:44:29 | siriusnov | :( |
| 16:45:17 | siriusnov | it says in the README to go there and flash via those instructions |
| 16:45:47 | XavierXeon | * pizza time * |
| 16:46:13 | siriusnov | cries |
| 16:48:05 | siriusnov | hey cool does opieplayer support streaming musak? |
| 16:49:18 | ljp | mp3's |
| 16:49:31 | siriusnov | yeah like streaming mp3s |
| 16:49:33 | siriusnov | sweet |
| 16:49:56 | Titan | Wheres a good place to get some graphics of say, Tux destroying Windows :) |
| 16:49:58 | siriusnov | http://131.152.105.154/~opie/screenies/port.1120.png |
| 16:50:08 | siriusnov | that one shows streaming sites like in shoutcast |
| 16:50:35 | siriusnov | ljp : how do i flash, I went to the site in the README, but I cant find instructions on how to flash the Z |
| 16:51:15 | XavierXeon | Titan: google "kde look" |
| 16:51:15 | | faq is at http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/zaurus-faq/ or at http://www.handhelds.org/handhelds-faq/handhelds-faq.html or at http://adorphuye.com/zaurus/java/faq.jsp |
| 16:51:15 | NetAmp | ibot: faq |
| 16:51:55 | siriusnov | cool thx |
| 16:52:34 | siriusnov | should I wait to Flash the Z since a new one is due out? |
| 16:52:51 | mark | siriusnov: up to you :) |
| 16:52:58 | siriusnov | hmmm |
| 16:53:00 | siriusnov | i think Ill awit |
| 16:53:01 | siriusnov | wait |
| 16:53:03 | siriusnov | and get the new one |
| 16:55:38 | siriusnov | oh hey |
| 16:55:44 | siriusnov | does the OZ support handwriting recog? |
| 16:56:19 | treke|home | yes |
| 16:56:23 | siriusnov | k |
| 16:56:33 | treke|home | same as the Z |
| 16:56:37 | siriusnov | anyone tried streaming shoutcast sites with opie-player? |
| 16:56:44 | siriusnov | cause Im itching wether to install it or not |
| 16:56:47 | siriusnov | and if its better or not |
| 16:58:27 | warmi | hi |
| 16:59:16 | NetAmp | hiya warmi |
| 16:59:38 | warmi | NetAmp ... one more day , ha ? |
| 16:59:56 | [DrEvil] | hrmmm |
| 16:59:57 | XavierXeon | how much is a 256 MB SD card in the us ? |
| 17:00:04 | [DrEvil] | did lilo kill #gimp? |
| 17:00:06 | siriusnov | expensive |
| 17:00:13 | siriusnov | I bought a 128mb one for 78 |
| 17:00:40 | treke|home | he was threating to kill #e, so I wouldnt put it past him |
| 17:01:02 | [DrEvil] | were they not with his program of "support" |
| 17:01:07 | SirPsycho-home | i saw a 256MB SD in frys (not in stock yet) but it was $219 |
| 17:01:09 | NetAmp | warmi: yeah! one more! *gah* |
| 17:01:11 | treke|home | [DrEvil]: yup |
| 17:01:13 | NetAmp | ;-) |
| 17:01:18 | [DrEvil] | heh |
| 17:01:27 | [DrEvil] | now I need to find out what network #gimp went to |
| 17:01:38 | treke|home | I would gues, irc.gimp.org :) |
| 17:01:48 | [DrEvil] | grrr |
| 17:01:51 | [DrEvil] | I thought they were on here |
| 17:01:52 | treke|home | [DrEvil]: http://www.kainx.org/journal/?view=20020708 |
| 17:02:04 | [DrEvil] | but I guess now I remember they have their own net |
| 17:02:43 | [DrEvil] | NTK was talking about lilo closing channels for thoughtcrimes |
| 17:03:29 | treke|home | power goes to people's heads |
| 17:03:42 | [DrEvil] | especially on IRC |
| 17:03:52 | [DrEvil] | when you have no one to answer to |
| 17:06:14 | warmi | [DrEvil] you work a lot with Gimp ? |
| 17:06:24 | [DrEvil] | sometimes |
| 17:06:32 | [DrEvil] | I need to get back into the swing of it |
| 17:06:42 | siriusnov | someone needs to port The Gimp to the Z :) |
| 17:07:06 | jbwiv | OT: anyone know how to make tar include hidden directories? |
| 17:08:12 | warmi | [DrEvil] I worked with it sometimes but sooner or later I always get frustrated by their GUI interface. |
| 17:12:10 | XavierXeon | jbwiv: tar on the Z should do that automatically |
| 17:15:24 | smee | a warm, zaurusy day |
| 17:16:51 | treke|home | http://treke.net/downloads/busybox.err |
| 17:17:01 | treke|home | wrong channel |
| 17:19:13 | noidd | ok, this Z needs a firewall. |
| 17:19:32 | warmi | uh |
| 17:20:31 | reeyees | whats up! |
| 17:20:36 | whardier | shower time |
| 17:20:51 | reeyees | ill have enough saved for a zaurus in another month |
| 17:21:25 | reeyees | is there an emulator that i can install to be figuring it out in advanced? |
| 17:21:38 | treke|home | reeyees: Download the qtopia sdl |
| 17:21:39 | siriusnov | yeah |
| 17:21:44 | reeyees | sdk |
| 17:21:52 | NetAmp | reeyees: cool, I'm finally getting mine tomorrow ;) |
| 17:22:12 | reeyees | cool, im on my nokia communicatpoor right now |
| 17:22:13 | noidd | siriusnov: what version of ROM are you running currently? |
| 17:22:31 | Rascal | has anyone gotten backgrounds on your zaurus? |
| 17:22:49 | SirPsycho-home | you can do backgrounds on OZ |
| 17:23:18 | reeyees | does anyone know if the ibm microdrive 1gig works on thr zaurus |
| 17:23:25 | treke|home | Rascal: The Zaurus cant do backgrounds without using openzaurus |
| 17:23:29 | mark | reeyees: why shouldnt it? |
| 17:23:37 | SirPsycho-home | reeyees: it does work tho not supported by sharp |
| 17:23:48 | reeyees | im pretty sure i read my MMC card from my nokia work in it too |
| 17:23:53 | treke|home | yeah sdk not sdl :) |
| 17:24:04 | reeyees | im sure most stuff isnt supported by sharp |
| 17:24:20 | reeyees | like the xwindows that i want to pput on it |
| 17:24:33 | NetAmp | :) |
| 17:24:48 | reeyees | i thought id go on and try installing some stuff wit h the emulator |
| 17:25:19 | treke|home | reeyees: Well the sdk just gives you a qtopia environment to play with |
| 17:25:26 | reeyees | nokia 9290 :-) |
| 17:25:29 | treke|home | other than thats, its just a lunix box |
| 17:25:51 | warmi | reeyees it is is not really an emulator |
| 17:26:01 | reeyees | its the best pda for internet and phonne but it runs this crappy symbian |
| 17:26:08 | reeyees | oh |
| 17:26:12 | reeyees | i see |
| 17:26:19 | Titan | whats the address for the logs? |
| 17:26:27 | warmi | more like a framebuffer emulator where you can compile and test X86 based Qtopia binaries |
| 17:26:37 | reeyees | so i couldnt really test out installing the xfree86 |
| 17:26:45 | treke|home | no |
| 17:27:25 | noidd | warmi: so in principle you could use xvfb to test other (say, GtkFB) on x86? :-0 |
| 17:27:27 | reeyees | poop |
| 17:27:40 | SirPsycho-home | heh.. i installed the "emulator" on my linux laptop.. when i clicked on the eject card icon it actually stopped my laptop's card |
| 17:27:43 | reeyees | guess ill just have to wait to reak it :) |
| 17:27:49 | Titan | anyone? |
| 17:27:55 | treke|home | noidd: Its called xnest |
| 17:28:09 | warmi | noidd I guess .. Qtopia needs framebuffer |
| 17:28:32 | treke|home | handy for window manager testing. GtkFB, I dont see the point :) |
| 17:28:49 | | http://ipaq.secret.org.uk/~timr/ |
| 17:28:49 | NetAmp | ibot: logs |
| 17:28:51 | NetAmp | ;) |
| 17:29:15 | noidd | is there a port of xnest to qtopia :-) |
| 17:29:21 | noidd | I'm guessing that is near impossible |
| 17:29:35 | warmi | what's xnest ? |
| 17:29:41 | reeyees | i saw a 300mb full linux distro for the zaurus |
| 17:29:51 | NetAmp | Titan: (or actually http://ipaq.secret.org.uk/~timr/zaurus/) |
| 17:29:52 | treke|home | warmi: An Xserver that runs within an X Server |
| 17:29:53 | reeyees | thats what iwant to try :-) |
| 17:30:05 | warmi | noidd btw .. that ZS spectrum emulator .. |
| 17:30:18 | noidd | ah yes warmi :-) how did it go |
| 17:30:25 | noidd | warmi: and how is your weekend so far? |
| 17:30:27 | warmi | I managed to compile it by disabling ASM on X86 |
| 17:30:29 | mark | hi warmi |
| 17:30:44 | Titan | thanks |
| 17:30:47 | warmi | but then it didn't work for some games like Ant Attack ( my favourite SPeccy game) |
| 17:30:55 | warmi | the graphic was all messed up |
| 17:30:59 | warmi | so I dropped it |
| 17:31:06 | warmi | I don't want to try to debug it |
| 17:31:21 | warmi | instead I ported another Gnome app ( very small calculator ) |
| 17:31:22 | warmi | heeh |
| 17:31:23 | NetAmp | What about a SNES emulator, that avail. yet outside of intimate? |
| 17:31:24 | noidd | warmi: dont blame you - after all, if it doesnt work on x86 then porting it is pointless |
| 17:31:36 | warmi | noidd precisely .. |
| 17:32:00 | noidd | warmi: was that xzx or spectemu? |
| 17:32:13 | warmi | spectemu |
| 17:32:18 | mark | hates porting gnome apps |
| 17:32:47 | siriusnov | hey |
| 17:32:48 | noidd | if there is one gnome app i'd like to see ported - thats dia |
| 17:32:53 | noidd | but that is a BIG job. |
| 17:32:58 | siriusnov | how do I get the newest opie-mpeg player |
| 17:33:03 | noidd | and i'm not even sure if it would be practical |
| 17:33:08 | warmi | noidd what's that ? |
| 17:33:09 | siriusnov | the one at zauruszone.com is 3 months old |
| 17:33:26 | noidd | warmi: think visio for X |
| 17:33:35 | mark | noidd: does it load in visio files? |
| 17:33:45 | noidd | warmi: no, has its own XML format |
| 17:33:56 | warmi | what is it called ? |
| 17:34:00 | noidd | dia |
| 17:34:02 | mark | noidd: bugger. gonna have to buy visio then :( |
| 17:34:21 | noidd | mark: I have the latest in cvs, let me look at the import options |
| 17:34:34 | warmi | http://www.lysator.liu.se/~alla/dia/dia.html |
| 17:34:59 | noidd | mark: dxf, fig and dia |
| 17:35:29 | noidd | thats the one warmi |
| 17:35:49 | noidd | I use it all the time when writing my documentation |
| 17:35:57 | noidd | with LaTeX |
| 17:35:57 | mark | noidd: why do we need a port of that when we have kivio? |
| 17:36:14 | noidd | now a LaTeX package for the Zaurus *IS* too big :-) |
| 17:36:27 | noidd | mark: never heard of kivio |
| 17:36:29 | warmi | I think it would be easie to port Qcad http://www.qcad.org/index.php3 |
| 17:36:30 | | noidd: wish i knew |
| 17:36:30 | noidd | ibot, kivio? |
| 17:36:38 | noidd | or qcad |
| 17:36:42 | warmi | wait .. take it bakc |
| 17:36:45 | warmi | back even |
| 17:36:55 | warmi | it is a completely different app |
| 17:36:59 | warmi | my bad :-) |
| 17:37:41 | noidd | the only zaurus software repository I know of is at killefiz.de |
| 17:38:00 | noidd | if there is another which contains stuff like kivio, please let me know! |
| 17:38:10 | warmi | noidd : http://www.thekompany.com/projects/kivio/ |
| 17:38:20 | warmi | I think it would be easier to port that one |
| 17:38:39 | warmi | and , who knows, maybe theKOmpany is already working on tkvKivio or something like that |
| 17:39:57 | warmi | btw noidd .. have you seen this app ? http://www.handango.com/sharp/PlatformProductDetail.jsp?catalog=80&jid=8D63642EA59A91F42F465X463C92F333&platformId=9&productId=29702&productType=2§ionId=0&siteId=423&zsortParams=true |
| 17:40:04 | noidd | loooking |
| 17:40:27 | noidd | warmi: yes I have - I downloaded the demo version |
| 17:40:51 | noidd | warmi: i'm after it for the network diagramming more than the UML |
| 17:41:07 | warmi | yeah, I know .. but that was the closest thing so far :-) |
| 17:41:13 | noidd | yah :-) |
| 17:41:26 | noidd | it was the first .ipk I installed on my Z when I got it :-) |
| 17:41:31 | noidd | seriously |
| 17:41:38 | warmi | as I said, maybe the kompany will port their kvio app |
| 17:41:45 | warmi | that would be awesome |
| 17:42:06 | noidd | yes it would |
| 17:42:21 | noidd | would be hard tho given the screen estate available. |
| 17:42:30 | noidd | very hard |
| 17:42:31 | kerneljacabo | hey is there anyway to get hancom office for the dev edition i know they were offering it at one point |
| 17:42:50 | noidd | kerneljacabo: its in the Zaurus FAQ |
| 17:42:54 | | it has been said that faq is at http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/zaurus-faq/ or at http://www.handhelds.org/handhelds-faq/handhelds-faq.html or at http://adorphuye.com/zaurus/java/faq.jsp |
| 17:42:54 | noidd | ibot, faq? |
| 17:43:25 | noidd | sorry, my mistake - not that one |
| 17:43:29 | noidd | erm, i'll need to look |
| 17:43:33 | NetAmp | the Hancom ipks are also here: http://www.uncon.net/files/zaurus/ |
| 17:43:59 | warmi | hehe |
| 17:44:10 | warmi | that's is not exactly an official URL is it ? |
| 17:44:11 | warmi | heheh |
| 17:44:16 | NetAmp | err.. |
| 17:44:17 | NetAmp | ;) |
| 17:44:21 | NetAmp | *grin* |
| 17:44:28 | NetAmp | not my site :P |
| 17:47:22 | kerneljacabo | so anyone know where the official thing is? |
| 17:47:51 | kerneljacabo | also can i sync under linux? is there an app? |
| 17:48:58 | NetAmp | http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/zaurus-faq/sections/syncing_and_sharp_io_port.php3 |
| 17:50:07 | noidd | goes to the Sharp PDA enchange for the first time |
| 17:50:19 | noidd | it sounds like a premium rate dating service |
| 17:50:33 | NetAmp | hehe |
| 17:50:53 | warmi | lol |
| 17:51:02 | mark | warmi: they're not gonna port kivio until we move to qt3 apparently |
| 17:51:05 | mark | catalin: ping |
| 17:51:18 | warmi | well, that will take a while |
| 17:51:28 | mark | the sooner the better imo |
| 17:51:59 | siriusnov | btw hey |
| 17:52:08 | siriusnov | how do I get back to 2.37 once I flash OZ and i decide it sucks |
| 17:52:11 | siriusnov | :) |
| 17:52:17 | siriusnov | just download the update and flash that? |
| 17:52:24 | siriusnov | since it seems to be 16mbs |
| 17:52:34 | mark | siriusnov: indeed |
| 17:52:45 | siriusnov | mark, are you using OZ? |
| 17:52:53 | noidd | kerneljacabo: the post said something like you can get those apps free if you bought your 5000 before or after some date |
| 17:52:53 | XavierXeon | for the sharp rom you need 32 mb CF (i think) |
| 17:52:58 | warmi | mark: the problem is that they would have to provide older Qtopia/qte lib as well .. otherwise all these ZAurus apps would not work on this new model |
| 17:53:08 | noidd | kerneljacabo: I didnt pay much more attention to it since I have a 5500 ;-0 |
| 17:53:18 | siriusnov | XavierXeon, not for the file at zauruszone.com |
| 17:53:22 | siriusnov | the 2.37 does it via desktop |
| 17:53:25 | warmi | qt2 based apps will NOT work with qt3 libraries |
| 17:53:28 | siriusnov | i mean myzaurus.com |
| 17:53:34 | mark | warmi: i know, that sucks |
| 17:53:35 | siriusnov | win32 executable |
| 17:53:54 | XavierXeon | siriusnov: i do not have a windows desktop :) |
| 17:53:59 | mark | warmi: god knows what they are planning to do about it, including 2x libs is gonna be ridiculous |
| 17:54:00 | siriusnov | ok |
| 17:54:17 | kerneljacabo | whats OZ?? |
| 17:54:18 | noidd | mark: a translation layer perhaps? |
| 17:54:23 | siriusnov | openzaurus |
| 17:54:27 | mark | noidd: how would that work |
| 17:54:29 | noidd | ibot, tell kerneljacabo about OZ |
| 17:54:31 | warmi | mark: not really, remember , the next model will have 2x ROM ( that's according to nJason) |
| 17:54:47 | mark | siriusnov: i was, i'm back to default rom atm |
| 17:54:53 | siriusnov | mark, why? |
| 17:55:03 | warmi | maybe not the next model but he said it was mistake to use only 16 MB of ROM |
| 17:55:23 | XavierXeon | siriusnov: anyway i think it uses the qpe ftp server to transfer the rom image to ram and then reflashs the Z (which may not work with opie on the Z) |
| 17:55:32 | mark | siriusnov: coz default rom has got a convenient way of dialing up to my ISP via infrared, OZ doesn't |
| 17:55:32 | siriusnov | k |
| 17:55:37 | siriusnov | mark, ok |
| 17:56:00 | siriusnov | mark, im thinking of flashing to OZ, im just wondering if there are any benefits |
| 17:56:16 | mark | warmi: yeh, just a shame to waste that extra rom space... |
| 17:56:17 | noidd | siriusnov: just try it, you can always flash back if its not for you |
| 17:56:30 | siriusnov | noidd, I dont have a CF tho |
| 17:56:38 | siriusnov | noidd, how do I reflash back to 2.37? |
| 17:56:46 | noidd | siriusnov: there the point it mute... no CF, no flashing |
| 17:56:59 | XavierXeon | without a CF how do you flash to OZ ? |
| 17:57:03 | siriusnov | noidd, eh? |
| 17:57:14 | noidd | XavierXeon: the later sharp ROMs will do it ove USB |
| 17:57:23 | siriusnov | noidd: 2.37 does it over USB |
| 17:57:31 | XavierXeon | true but OZ does not |
| 17:57:43 | siriusnov | k |
| 17:57:44 | NeoTron | anyone here play dopewars? |
| 17:57:54 | mark | NeoTron: yep :) |
| 17:57:55 | NeoTron | http://dopewars.sf.net/ |
| 17:57:57 | noidd | Surely you would want to use the flashing method with the least dependancies :-) |
| 17:58:14 | ranf | hi |
| 17:58:23 | NeoTron | I have a server customized for "linuxism" by another guy. :P gw.hedbor.org:7902 |
| 17:58:45 | NeoTron | and hmm. guess I should take a shower sometime today. :)) |
| 17:58:52 | XavierXeon | NeoTron: do you want to port it ? |
| 18:00:00 | kerneljacabo | anyone wanna buy a 5000? |
| 18:00:20 | noidd | right guys - i'm going to flash to OZ |
| 18:00:23 | noidd | back in 10 mins |
| 18:00:23 | NetAmp | l8r y'all |
| 18:00:59 | NetAmp | I'll get my 5500 tomorrow! yeehaw! |
| 18:03:35 | mdz_ | how does the flash over USB work? Does it do it while the Zaurus is up and running? |
| 18:04:38 | mark | asys3: i have a crap memory, i do apologise |
| 18:04:57 | asys3 | mark: thx ;-)) |
| 18:05:14 | asys3 | mark: you like the animated gif ? |
| 18:05:21 | mark | asys3: yeh, its nice |
| 18:05:26 | mark | i've given it to my web site designer |
| 18:05:29 | zecke | JasonNJ: ping |
| 18:05:46 | Rascal | does openzaurus work for the 5500? |
| 18:05:53 | asys3 | mark: and how is your site going ? |
| 18:06:07 | mark | asys3: no idea, he hasn't done much i dont think |
| 18:06:22 | noidd | Rascal: I believe so - I'll let you know in 10 mins since i'm flashing it now ;-) |
| 18:07:03 | Rascal | ;) lol |
| 18:07:16 | asys3 | mark: sorry - i meant how does it go with your new website ? |
| 18:07:36 | mark | asys3: oh right, i dunno, i haven't seen it yet |
| 18:09:25 | Rascal | noidd: just let me know if it works.. ;) |
| 18:09:38 | noidd | Rascal: just hang on a channel for 10 mins and I wil |
| 18:09:39 | noidd | will |
| 18:13:15 | mark | asys3: i've made the new ipks |
| 18:13:44 | asys3 | mark: real arm ipkgs ;-)) ... |
| 18:14:45 | asys3 | mark: can you send them again ? |
| 18:15:03 | NeoTron | XavierXeon: porting dopewars might be fun but not easy. it's gtk-based and depends heavily on glib (of course, you could use glib on the Zaurus too, just having to deal with gtk) |
| 18:15:05 | mark | asys3: i hope so |
| 18:15:21 | mark | NeoTron: or just write a new frontend.. |
| 18:15:33 | zecke | NeoTron: glib is on the Z already |
| 18:15:38 | mark | asys3: i think i've got OPIEDIR right this time :) |
| 18:15:47 | zecke | NeoTron: Sharp uses openobex( aeh) which uses glib |
| 18:16:04 | asys3 | mark: that's nice, thanks. [may happen...;-)] |
| 18:16:10 | mark | asys3: dcc |
| 18:16:10 | mark | ? |
| 18:16:19 | mark | asys3: or whats ur email adr? |
| 18:16:31 | mark | asys3@yahoo.com |
| 18:16:33 | mark | ? |
| 18:16:37 | asys3 | right. |
| 18:16:59 | mark | k, sending now |
| 18:17:02 | mark | ipkg remove the old ones if i were you |
| 18:17:03 | asys3 | hope that nobody spammed me now ;-) |
| 18:17:13 | mark | he |
| 18:17:18 | asys3 | mark: alread done ;-) |
| 18:17:44 | noidd | sends asys3 a once in a lifetime offer, free access to exclusive adult websites |
| 18:19:17 | asys3 | noidd: you're so nice to me... |
| 18:20:50 | smee | hmm, why does fdisk tell me my /dev/mmcda1 is 32M but df reports it as being 62436k? |
| 18:21:08 | noidd | smee: its an imperial megabyte |
| 18:21:29 | smee | ah, of course :) |
| 18:21:55 | smee | cant df be fined for that? |
| 18:22:20 | noidd | haha |
| 18:23:10 | asys3 | mark: received. just trying... |
| 18:24:20 | noiddFSH | brb |
| 18:26:08 | smee | bah, I always forget to mkfs |
| 18:27:17 | NeoTron | hhehe |
| 18:27:21 | smee | there, 32798k |
| 18:27:42 | whardier | I have 2.166 days worth of wonderfull trance |
| 18:27:56 | whardier | and a mighty need to reboot |
| 18:28:01 | whardier | bbl |
| 18:28:12 | noiddFSH | whardier: and its just a 10 second sample on re-play :-) |
| 18:32:35 | smee | rebooting Zs is a risky thing to do |
| 18:33:00 | noiddFSH | Does OZ take any longer to flash than the Sharps ROMS? |
| 18:33:27 | noiddFSH | smee: I havnt had a single re-boot corrupt since I went to 2.37 |
| 18:33:37 | smee | just had my first |
| 18:33:59 | noiddFSH | smee: that may not mean anything - but I was averaging 2 corrupts a day |
| 18:34:15 | noiddFSH | Rascal: still there? |
| 18:34:21 | whardier | sorry |
| 18:34:23 | asys3 | mark: installed but have to move knights again on my Z. will take a while. I'll send you feedback as I promised....bye. |
| 18:34:23 | whardier | hat do reboot |
| 18:34:23 | Rascal | ya |
| 18:34:24 | smee | I even shut down qtopia first then did telinit 6 from console |
| 18:34:30 | whardier | --continue |
| 18:34:30 | whardier | heh |
| 18:34:41 | noiddFSH | Rascal: its flashed - booting now! |
| 18:34:46 | Rascal | w00t |
| 18:35:49 | noiddFSH | Rascal: yah - it works |
| 18:35:53 | noiddFSH | :-) |
| 18:35:55 | Rascal | coo |
| 18:36:03 | noiddFSH | Rascal: I used the 32-32 kernel |
| 18:36:16 | Rascal | so where do I find all the info on how to do this stuff? |
| 18:36:33 | noiddFSH | ibot, tell Rascal about openzaurus |
| 18:36:48 | noiddFSH | ibot, tell Rascal about OZ |
| 18:37:01 | noiddFSH | go to the sourceforge sight |
| 18:37:14 | smee | did that new OZ beta end up getting released this week > /me checks |
| 18:37:18 | | i guess oz is see openzaurus or http://OpenZaurus.SourceForge.net/ |
| 18:37:18 | ljp | ibot: oz |
| 18:37:27 | siriusnov | hey |
| 18:37:31 | siriusnov | there is no backup app in OZ |
| 18:37:33 | siriusnov | how do I do backups? |
| 18:37:34 | noiddFSH | Rascal: I may have to take that back actually |
| 18:37:42 | Rascal | does the image have to be on a CF card or can it be on a SD card? |
| 18:37:47 | noiddFSH | Rascal: I dont think it worked after all - its hanging |
| 18:37:47 | ljp | goto zsi and install that backup app |
| 18:37:52 | siriusnov | k |
| 18:37:56 | noiddFSH | its alive again :-0 |
| 18:38:19 | warmi_gaming | dopeWars - this is not exactly politically correct game, is it ? |
| 18:38:43 | tux_mike | nope |
| 18:38:46 | Rascal | dopewars is clinton's favorite game. |
| 18:38:47 | warmi_gaming | and I don't mean the fact that it is using GTK toolkitset |
| 18:38:57 | ljp | hgaha |
| 18:39:10 | noidd | ok, its up |
| 18:39:13 | siriusnov | hey do apps on killefiz.de work with OpenZaurus |
| 18:39:14 | noidd | be back in a bit |
| 18:39:33 | warmi_gaming | siriusnov they should |
| 18:39:35 | siriusnov | mainly tkcplayer, tkceditor, and tkcexplorer |
| 18:39:39 | tux_mike | warmi: well, that's a totally different story |
| 18:40:11 | warmi_gaming | tux_mike you play dopewars? |
| 18:40:33 | tux_mike | nope, never touch the stuff :) |
| 18:40:40 | warmi_gaming | hahaha |
| 18:40:40 | XavierXeon | siriusnov: tkcapps work on oz |
| 18:40:51 | Rascal | hey did you guys know that the zaurus sl-5500 is on sale at best buys for $313 |
| 18:41:11 | warmi_gaming | Rascal 313 ? I thought it was $350 |
| 18:41:18 | warmi_gaming | uh .. that doesn't sound right |
| 18:41:22 | Rascal | today they had a 10% off pda discount |
| 18:41:26 | siriusnov | which should I use: |
| 18:41:27 | siriusnov | HYAPATIA LEE |
| 18:41:28 | Rascal | so 350 becomes 313 |
| 18:41:28 | warmi_gaming | ah ok |
| 18:41:30 | siriusnov | ooops |
| 18:41:35 | siriusnov | zImage-beta7_32-32 821860 259 Other Other |
| 18:41:35 | siriusnov | zImage-beta7_40-24 821864 148 Other Other |
| 18:41:35 | siriusnov | zImage-beta7_48-16 |
| 18:41:37 | siriusnov | :) |
| 18:41:37 | warmi_gaming | Rascal for all of them ? |
| 18:41:45 | Rascal | for all pda's |
| 18:41:45 | smee | I connect to several different wireless lans at different times...what's the best way to deal with the different configurations? |
| 18:41:56 | siriusnov | 32-32, 40-24 or 48-16 |
| 18:42:04 | warmi_gaming | good thing NetAmp is not around |
| 18:42:15 | warmi_gaming | he just paid like $450 or so |
| 18:42:19 | Rascal | lol |
| 18:42:23 | Rascal | tell him to pricematch |
| 18:42:24 | warmi_gaming | but he is in Europe |
| 18:42:29 | Rascal | oh nm |
| 18:42:31 | XavierXeon | siriusnov: do you have a BIG card ? |
| 18:42:34 | warmi_gaming | another world by US standards |
| 18:42:34 | noidd | warmi_gaming: 380USD is the cheapest i've seen |
| 18:42:37 | noidd | from amazon.com |
| 18:42:39 | Rascal | I wanna go buy some and sell them on ebay.. |
| 18:42:51 | siriusnov | XavierXeon, 128mb SD |
| 18:42:58 | siriusnov | which is always mounted |
| 18:43:03 | XavierXeon | siriusnov: 48-16 then |
| 18:43:04 | siriusnov | except when I need to save batt life |
| 18:43:07 | warmi_gaming | noidd can you walk into an electronic store in UK and buy a ZAurus ? |
| 18:43:19 | noidd | warmi_gaming: yes, and I did |
| 18:43:26 | noidd | paid 400UKP |
| 18:43:35 | warmi_gaming | holly crapy |
| 18:43:37 | warmi_gaming | that's a lot |
| 18:43:39 | Rascal | wowzas |
| 18:43:40 | warmi_gaming | when was it ? |
| 18:43:45 | siriusnov | XavierXeon, what does the stock Zaurus 2.37 run? |
| 18:44:00 | siriusnov | like Ram disk, and Ram |
| 18:44:14 | Rascal | 32-32 |
| 18:44:25 | siriusnov | so why not just do that |
| 18:44:25 | XavierXeon | siriusnov: 32-32 on all sharp roms, but most apps need a swap file with that settings |
| 18:44:33 | siriusnov | whats the difference? |
| 18:44:51 | siriusnov | is confused |
| 18:44:51 | warmi_gaming | yeah, 32 - 32 is stupid |
| 18:44:59 | XavierXeon | with 48-16 you do not need a swapfile |
| 18:45:00 | warmi_gaming | althought I wish I had that much mem on my Z 5000D |
| 18:45:12 | siriusnov | XavierXeon, 48mb RAM, and 16meg what? |
| 18:45:18 | Rascal | sell your z5000 on ebay |
| 18:45:22 | Rascal | get new 5500 at best buys |
| 18:45:36 | XavierXeon | siriusnov: 16 MB ram disk |
| 18:45:38 | warmi_gaming | siruisnov disk space |
| 18:45:42 | siriusnov | oh |
| 18:45:43 | siriusnov | ok |
| 18:45:54 | warmi_gaming | Rascal .. it is still $300 |
| 18:46:06 | warmi_gaming | I am waiting for Sharp to come out with a new model |
| 18:46:18 | Rascal | the new xscale proc? |
| 18:46:22 | warmi_gaming | yeah |
| 18:46:26 | warmi_gaming | sometimes this year |
| 18:46:27 | siriusnov | so it would be like having 48mbs of RAM, and 16megs of HD space |
| 18:46:29 | siriusnov | right? |
| 18:46:32 | XavierXeon | yes |
| 18:46:33 | mark | noidd: where did you get it from? |
| 18:46:35 | siriusnov | cool |
| 18:46:39 | warmi_gaming | siriusnov yeah |
| 18:47:01 | siriusnov | does the Z run faster with 48megs of Ram? |
| 18:47:08 | warmi_gaming | no |
| 18:47:13 | siriusnov | oh |
| 18:47:15 | noidd | Totenham Court Road - a shop called Sunrise |
| 18:47:23 | warmi_gaming | but you can run more apps at tthe same time |
| 18:47:26 | siriusnov | ok |
| 18:47:28 | siriusnov | i get it |
| 18:47:29 | mark | noidd: oh right, not dixons or anything :). |
| 18:47:29 | noidd | they;re listed on sharps "where to buy a zaurus" page |
| 18:47:30 | siriusnov | cool |
| 18:47:32 | Rascal | hey warmi I know a good deal |
| 18:47:33 | noidd | er, no |
| 18:47:42 | noidd | mark: you can buy them from Carphone Whorehouse tho |
| 18:47:45 | warmi_gaming | furthermore .. some apps actually need more than 32 to run properly so for these it will run faster |
| 18:47:45 | Rascal | pricematch staples to bestbuy's 313 |
| 18:47:48 | noidd | mark: if you want high street chain |
| 18:47:51 | Rascal | then use the 40 off 200 coupon |
| 18:47:55 | siriusnov | neat |
| 18:48:04 | Rascal | that'll bring down to 273 |
| 18:48:05 | XavierXeon | Carphone Whorehouse ?? |
| 18:48:06 | mark | noidd: really? thats cool |
| 18:48:09 | warmi_gaming | Rascal ouh .. you remind me of my wife |
| 18:48:13 | Rascal | lol |
| 18:48:18 | warmi_gaming | she is after this kind of stuff all the time |
| 18:48:19 | warmi_gaming | hehe |
| 18:48:22 | noidd | Ok, I have openzaurus now. |
| 18:48:38 | noidd | first job is to find out what 21Meg of the base install consists of |
| 18:48:45 | Rascal | I just need to figure out how to install openzaurus |
| 18:48:55 | noidd | the default "disk" usage of sharp base is 3Meg, this is 21Meg |
| 18:49:05 | noidd | so I have 18 Meg of toys to find :-) |
| 18:49:24 | noidd | Rascal: go to the website, click on download. Grab the README |
| 18:49:31 | warmi_gaming | Rascal but you are right .. it is amazing how the price went down since it came out in April |
| 18:49:43 | noidd | Rascal: in essense, you grab three files, rename them, copy them onto CF card and flash |
| 18:49:47 | Rascal | ya |
| 18:49:55 | Rascal | noidd can I use a SD card? |
| 18:49:59 | Rascal | I don't have a CF |
| 18:50:02 | warmi_gaming | no |
| 18:50:05 | noidd | Rascal: no |
| 18:50:07 | noidd | has to be CF |
| 18:50:09 | noidd | soz |
| 18:50:11 | Rascal | damn.. |
| 18:50:20 | Rascal | well gotta run to bestbuys then.. |
| 18:50:28 | warmi_gaming | CFs are cheap ... you need 32 MB |
| 18:50:33 | noidd | hehe, catch you in a bit :-) |
| 18:50:35 | XavierXeon | have to get up in 8 hours |
| 18:51:23 | Rascal | I don't need a card reader for my pc right? |
| 18:51:33 | warmi_gaming | you do |
| 18:51:45 | Rascal | sigh.. expenses are just mounting up today.. |
| 18:51:48 | warmi_gaming | it is another $20 or so at BestBuy |
| 18:51:53 | warmi_gaming | quite cheap |
| 18:52:43 | warmi_gaming | Rascal:you only need card reader if mouting it on PC and transfering files to it , is the only way you can get stuff on CF card |
| 18:53:09 | warmi_gaming | maybe you can ftp to your Z and then move them to CF |
| 18:53:11 | warmi_gaming | I am not sure |
| 18:53:11 | Rascal | true true |
| 18:53:18 | Rascal | that's what I was thinking.. |
| 18:53:31 | Rascal | I'll figure something out though.. |
| 18:53:33 | Rascal | thx |
| 18:53:43 | warmi_gaming | I am not sure how to procceed from here since I never even flashed my Z |
| 18:53:52 | warmi_gaming | ask someone more experienced with flashing |
| 18:53:53 | warmi_gaming | hehe |
| 18:53:56 | siriusnov | hmmm |
| 18:54:04 | siriusnov | whats the smallest CF card I need to flash to OZ? |
| 18:54:17 | siriusnov | and to go back to Sharps 2.37 |
| 18:54:53 | siriusnov | im going to buy a CF card but I dont wanna spend a lot of money |
| 18:55:00 | siriusnov | since I already have a 128mb SD card for storage |
| 18:56:04 | Cloudchaser | hullo everyone :) |
| 18:59:44 | ljp | hi |
| 19:00:11 | W|GGL|T | ahhh...just bought rtcw |
| 19:00:16 | treke_ | excellant game |
| 19:00:46 | siriusnov | yeah its awesome |
| 19:00:49 | Speedy2 | re |
| 19:02:10 | W|GGL|T | doesn't like those new small boxes that game software comes in now |
| 19:02:48 | treke_ | hehe. I wish more would come in dvd cases |
| 19:08:01 | siriusnov | im listening to the StarWars soundtrack atm |
| 19:08:02 | siriusnov | :) |
| 19:10:51 | W|GGL|T | hi Cloud-Z |
| 19:11:00 | Cloudchaser | hehe hiya ;) |
| 19:11:20 | W|GGL|T | ate too fast and now has a stomach ache |
| 19:11:31 | Cloud-Z | aww |
| 19:11:49 | Speedy2 | just got back from driving 25+ mi in Texas heat w/o AC |
| 19:12:03 | Cloudchaser | yukky! |
| 19:12:18 | Speedy2 | Yeah |
| 19:12:20 | Cloudchaser | i lived in florida a while back and had no a/c in my jeep.. it was horrible |
| 19:12:21 | Speedy2 | My shirt is soaked |
| 19:13:19 | W|GGL|T | doh...rtcw won't start :o( |
| 19:13:29 | treke_ | windows or linux? |
| 19:13:55 | whardier | ;lkasasdjklf;lasdfnux |
| 19:14:01 | W|GGL|T | XP |
| 19:14:07 | treke_ | cant help you :) |
| 19:14:10 | W|GGL|T | opengl error |
| 19:14:17 | W|GGL|T | i suppose i could try to install on linux |
| 19:14:22 | W|GGL|T | never did that before tho |
| 19:15:45 | whardier | pimp pimp pimp |
| 19:21:45 | warmi_gaming | W|GGL|T I was just playing rtcw |
| 19:22:09 | warmi_gaming | but for some reason latency is awful today |
| 19:22:20 | warmi_gaming | W|GGL|T what kind of graphic card you have ? |
| 19:24:02 | W|GGL|T | warmi_gaming: ATI all in wonder 128 pro |
| 19:24:18 | warmi_gaming | ah .. isn't that a bit dated ? |
| 19:24:56 | warmi_gaming | it got myself Radeon 7000 last year and it works great so far |
| 19:24:59 | W|GGL|T | yeah, but i use it for capturing and it doesn't present problems with my other games (including Q3A) |
| 19:25:34 | warmi_gaming | W|GGL|T well, maybe there is some sort of patch or FAQ item for these cards on rtcw site |
| 19:25:35 | warmi_gaming | beats me |
| 19:25:52 | W|GGL|T | yeah...im downloading the latest patch now |
| 19:26:33 | Speedy2 | warmi: Hello! |
| 19:27:49 | W|GGL|T | its sooooo cool to be able to download 10mb in 2 min :o) |
| 19:28:21 | warmi_gaming | W|GGL|T hehe |
| 19:35:20 | Cloudchaser | hmm is there any sort of currency converter app for the z that anyone knows about? |
| 19:36:13 | warmi | re |
| 19:36:20 | Cloudchaser | hiya warmi :) |
| 19:36:45 | warmi | telocity (my int provider) is acting up today |
| 19:36:52 | Cloudchaser | :( |
| 19:36:59 | warmi | latency is so crappy I can;t even play on the net |
| 19:37:09 | warmi | and the connection gets droped every now and then |
| 19:37:28 | Cloudchaser | i hate it when that happens |
| 19:37:28 | warmi | but still for 50$ that kind of bandwith is worth it |
| 19:37:50 | warmi | yeah, I guess one would have get a private T1 line to avoid this stuff |
| 19:38:01 | Cloudchaser | yeah and that would cost alot |
| 19:38:26 | Cloudchaser | can i use any old java app on the z? |
| 19:38:26 | warmi | heh .. yeah , last time I looked it was something like 700$ or so |
| 19:38:31 | Cloudchaser | wow |
| 19:38:42 | Cloudchaser | i found a java currency converter |
| 19:38:44 | warmi | you can try .. older stuf will most likely work |
| 19:39:06 | warmi | since the chances are it is not usnig any of the newer , fancier stuff not found in the ZAurus jdk |
| 19:39:23 | Cloudchaser | hmm |
| 19:39:30 | warmi | does it say which version of JVM it needs ? |
| 19:39:31 | Cloudchaser | looks like a pita to get working |
| 19:39:58 | warmi | Cloudchaser wasn't there already Qtopia currency coverted available for the Zaurus ? |
| 19:40:06 | Cloudchaser | is there? |
| 19:40:15 | Cloudchaser | i did search on killefiz |
| 19:40:18 | Cloudchaser | didn't see anyting |
| 19:40:56 | Cloudchaser | going to troll tech now |
| 19:41:02 | warmi | I swear there was one |
| 19:41:08 | Cloudchaser | oh ther eis it looks like! |
| 19:41:23 | Cloudchaser | http://www.trolltech.com/products/qt/whitepaper/whitepaper-12-4.html |
| 19:41:36 | Cloudchaser | doesn't really say where eto get it |
| 19:42:02 | Cloudchaser | shows teh code and stuff |
| 19:42:39 | warmi | I think that's just an example for programmers |
| 19:42:41 | warmi | hehe |
| 19:42:42 | whardier | severe lack of motivation mojo |
| 19:42:48 | warmi | how to do certain things |
| 19:43:04 | Cloudchaser | wonder if there's something finished |
| 19:43:41 | Cloudchaser | nothing on google |
| 19:43:55 | warmi | how about this : http://www.jamesconrad.org/stash/screenshots.html |
| 19:44:02 | warmi | http://www.jamesconrad.org/stash/images/screenshots/currency-list.png |
| 19:44:40 | warmi | it is a bit more than just currency converter |
| 19:44:43 | Cloudchaser | cool |
| 19:44:47 | warmi | so maybe it is not what you are lookign for |
| 19:44:49 | Cloudchaser | will that work on the z? |
| 19:44:57 | warmi | yeah, it is Z app |
| 19:45:02 | warmi | there is even an ipk available |
| 19:45:29 | warmi | I think this was one of the entries in Trolls contest |
| 19:45:31 | Cloudchaser | wonder if i can add countries in |
| 19:45:41 | warmi | I am not sure.. never played with it |
| 19:45:42 | Cloudchaser | and manually update the exchange rate |
| 19:45:46 | Cloudchaser | i'll try it out |
| 19:45:58 | warmi | you may want to email the author and see if he is still working on it |
| 19:47:42 | Cloudchaser | ah its pretty old, thte info |
| 19:47:47 | warmi | Cloudchaser btw .. when I said I saw currency converter ... i was wrong |
| 19:47:52 | lowkey | 10.3? |
| 19:47:52 | warmi | I was thingking about this : http://kreucher.net/zuc/ |
| 19:48:00 | warmi | which is unit converter |
| 19:48:01 | warmi | heehe |
| 19:48:16 | Cloudchaser | ah oki |
| 19:48:50 | Cloudchaser | ooh that looks nifty! |
| 19:49:37 | Cloudchaser | does it do currency? |
| 19:49:37 | warmi | zuc ? |
| 19:49:43 | warmi | no, I don't think so |
| 19:49:50 | Cloudchaser | i don't see where it does, but it still looks nifty :) |
| 19:50:02 | warmi | heh |
| 19:50:09 | leseb | it can by editing unit_conversion.dat |
| 19:50:29 | warmi | yeah, I know .. I was just saying that I confused this unit converted with currency converted when I said I saw one |
| 19:50:42 | Cloudchaser | ah |
| 19:50:55 | warmi | there should be one though .. |
| 19:51:17 | warmi | time to port something from Gnome .. |
| 19:51:18 | warmi | hehe |
| 19:51:19 | warmi | j/k |
| 19:51:40 | Cloudchaser | awww |
| 19:52:44 | Cloudchaser | is it very hard to port things/ |
| 19:52:45 | treke|home | someone should port koffice :) |
| 19:52:47 | noidd | flashes back to sharprom |
| 19:52:59 | Cloudchaser | would someone...who is not a programmer...be able to do ports? |
| 19:53:34 | treke|home | Cloudchaser: probably not. Some might be simple enough that you could learn as you go. But with no experience it would be tough to figure out where to start |
| 19:53:36 | warmi | Cloudchaser no |
| 19:53:39 | noidd | Cloudchaser: well, i'm not a C or C++ programmer and I have done 2. |
| 19:53:39 | jmhodges | yow |
| 19:53:49 | noidd | Cloudchaser: the answer is probably, not many |
| 19:54:02 | warmi | noidd: yeah , but these weren't really ports noid :-) |
| 19:54:03 | jmhodges | whats up folks? |
| 19:54:06 | Cloudchaser | sighs |
| 19:54:08 | W|GGL|T | hi jmhodges |
| 19:54:09 | Cloudchaser | hiya jm |
| 19:54:11 | warmi | crosscompilation rather |
| 19:54:11 | noidd | warmi: as I said :-) |
| 19:54:18 | warmi | hehe |
| 19:54:22 | jmhodges | hey W|GGL|T, Cloudchaser |
| 19:54:27 | noidd | oh, i havnt sent me second sentence yet - lol |
| 19:54:29 | jmhodges | Cloudchaser: whats wrong? |
| 19:54:37 | warmi | hi jmhodges |
| 19:54:43 | noidd | Cloudchaser: in theory if you can ./configure ; make ; make install |
| 19:54:44 | Cloudchaser | i want to do cool stuff like those guys do! |
| 19:54:46 | jmhodges | hey warmi |
| 19:54:51 | jbwiv | hey..anyone know where I can get lsof binaries for the z? |
| 19:55:01 | noidd | Cloudchaser: you can cross compile some. However, you cant do many |
| 19:55:05 | treke|home | jbwiv: ftp.debian.org |
| 19:55:05 | jmhodges | Cloudchaser: lol like what do you want to do that they do? |
| 19:55:12 | jmhodges | Cloudchaser: cross-compile? :) |
| 19:55:15 | noidd | jbwiv: I tried crosscompiling lsof - I gave up :-) |
| 19:55:19 | Cloudchaser | make nifty z stuff! |
| 19:55:25 | jmhodges | aaah hehe |
| 19:55:30 | warmi | noidd what's lsof ? |
| 19:55:31 | jbwiv | treke|home: will it run on the Z? |
| 19:55:32 | jmhodges | Cloudchaser: learn qt :) |
| 19:55:37 | Cloudchaser | how? |
| 19:55:38 | treke|home | jbwiv: should run just fine |
| 19:55:39 | Cloudchaser | where? |
| 19:55:48 | jmhodges | ok since i killed the yuan-ti last night |
| 19:55:52 | treke|home | Cloudchaser: go get a book on c++ and learn the basics. THen go play with qt |
| 19:55:55 | jmhodges | now im off to the Peninsula |
| 19:55:59 | jbwiv | treke|home: without being cross-compiled? |
| 19:56:02 | Cloudchaser | that could take years :( |
| 19:56:03 | warmi | this needs to be ported to the ZAurus : http://www.favorin.com/kexchange/ |
| 19:56:04 | jmhodges | to clear out the deranged prison warden |
| 19:56:07 | jmhodges | wish me luck ;) |
| 19:56:13 | jmhodges | Cloudchaser: nah |
| 19:56:16 | treke|home | jbwiv: You have to download the arm version |
| 19:56:21 | jmhodges | Cloudchaser: take a class |
| 19:56:24 | NeoTron | holy shit! Working networking in RocketElite! |
| 19:56:25 | jbwiv | treke|home: cool. thanks! |
| 19:56:31 | jmhodges | Cloudchaser: it goes real quick |
| 19:56:33 | treke|home | sweet |
| 19:56:36 | jmhodges | ok im outta here |
| 19:56:37 | Cloudchaser | seriously? |
| 19:56:37 | jmhodges | bbl |
| 19:56:42 | Cloudchaser | bye |
| 19:56:47 | jmhodges | Cloudchaser: if you get a good class :) |
| 19:56:49 | W|GGL|T | yahhhoooo |
| 19:56:55 | W|GGL|T | got rtcw to boot |
| 19:56:56 | Cloudchaser | i figure by the time i learn it.. no more z |
| 19:57:01 | treke|home | Cloudchaser: it doesnt take a whole lot to write something simple |
| 19:57:06 | noidd | With C++, do you suggest doing C then C++ or just straight to C++? |
| 19:57:32 | jmh|nwn | c++ gets you c, you just have to know what you cant do in c :)_ |
| 19:57:34 | noidd | is the migration path from C->C++ easier than C++ -> C? |
| 19:57:38 | W|GGL|T | thinks Cloudchaser has the drive to code Z programs |
| 19:57:40 | warmi | I personally started with ASm in 1988 or so .. then went to C in 1992 or then to C++ in 1995 or so |
| 19:57:41 | warmi | hehe |
| 19:57:41 | noidd | hehe |
| 19:57:50 | jmh|nwn | lol |
| 19:57:57 | jmh|nwn | went python-> c++ |
| 19:58:03 | jmh|nwn | that was easy as hell |
| 19:58:10 | jmh|nwn | ok really |
| 19:58:20 | Cloudchaser | maybe i ought to try that tkc rekall |
| 19:58:21 | jmh|nwn | im going to go clear out the prison escapees |
| 19:58:38 | warmi | jmh|nwn good luck then |
| 19:58:48 | warmi | Cloudchaser :have you ever tried MS access ? |
| 19:58:51 | jbwiv | treke|home: stbya, but do you know the path to the arm packages? |
| 19:58:52 | Cloudchaser | yeah |
| 19:58:58 | jmh|nwn | thaanks ;) |
| 19:58:58 | Cloudchaser | ages ago |
| 19:59:18 | treke|home | jbwiv: nope |
| 19:59:19 | noidd | Rascal: you there? |
| 19:59:21 | Cloudchaser | didn't like the forms part too much on access |
| 19:59:42 | jbwiv | treke|home: never mind...just found it. thx |
| 19:59:43 | warmi | Cloudchaser tkcRecall is like MS Access |
| 19:59:54 | Cloudchaser | nods |
| 20:00:00 | warmi | different scirpting language etc .. |
| 20:00:13 | Cloudchaser | i think alot of little stuff i want would work with something liek that |
| 20:00:24 | Cloudchaser | simple fill in forms with some calcs maybe |
| 20:00:30 | Cloudchaser | dunno really |
| 20:00:35 | Cloudchaser | has a headache |
| 20:00:49 | Rascal | so is 48-16 good? |
| 20:01:15 | warmi | Cloudchaser yeah, precisely |
| 20:01:38 | warmi | some forms , perhaps with predefined values for some entries etc .. |
| 20:01:46 | Cloudchaser | yeah |
| 20:01:48 | warmi | I am thinking myself about getting tkcRecall |
| 20:01:56 | Cloudchaser | other thing is.. i like to make notes |
| 20:02:01 | Cloudchaser | iqnotes is pretty good |
| 20:02:05 | Cloudchaser | but its all in one file |
| 20:02:05 | Rascal | is recall good? |
| 20:02:18 | warmi | Rascal you can try it .. it has a demo version |
| 20:02:29 | Cloudchaser | for the z? |
| 20:02:32 | Cloudchaser | there's demo? |
| 20:02:32 | noidd | Rascal: use the 32-32 kernel |
| 20:02:45 | Rascal | use the 32-32 kernel? |
| 20:02:45 | noidd | Rascal: you're just gonna have a look around anyways |
| 20:02:47 | warmi | yeah |
| 20:02:48 | noidd | Rascal: you're just gonna have a look around anywayss |
| 20:02:49 | warmi | on myzaurus.com |
| 20:02:52 | Cloudchaser | or can i make them n pc and use it on z? |
| 20:02:53 | jbwiv | what command do I use to install a .deb on the Z? |
| 20:03:04 | warmi | Cloudchaser I am not sure |
| 20:03:16 | Cloudchaser | oki i'll go have a look |
| 20:03:31 | noidd | Rascal: you're talking about the OZ kernels right? |
| 20:03:43 | Rascal | ya |
| 20:03:59 | Rascal | I though 48-16 better b/c it had more swapspace |
| 20:03:59 | noidd | Rascal: I did the 32-32 kernel |
| 20:04:12 | Rascal | I've got a 64M sd card |
| 20:04:20 | Rascal | and figured I'd install progs there.. |
| 20:04:43 | noidd | Rascal: do that then |
| 20:04:54 | Rascal | I'll try it out and let ya know how it goes.. |
| 20:05:01 | noidd | i'll be here |
| 20:06:36 | noidd | going to flash back to Sharp ROM now until I get an SD card |
| 20:07:50 | lowkey | any news on 10.3? |
| 20:08:08 | treke|home | it didnt come out yesterday? poor kergoth |
| 20:08:18 | Cloudchaser | warmi any idea of whta the demo does/doesn't? |
| 20:08:23 | lowkey | not on the website anyway...... |
| 20:08:25 | Cloudchaser | is it timed or partial? |
| 20:08:34 | warmi | I have no idea .. just know there is one :-) |
| 20:08:44 | treke|home | sorry to hear his house burned down :) |
| 20:08:53 | lowkey | lol |
| 20:09:20 | Cloudchaser | oh |
| 20:09:21 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
| 20:09:34 | Cloudchaser | he said it would be unless his house burned down or something? |
| 20:09:53 | treke|home | yup |
| 20:10:42 | warmi | heheh |
| 20:10:53 | warmi | I was wondering what the heck treke was talking about |
| 20:11:09 | treke|home | I work in mysterious ways |
| 20:11:18 | Speedy2 | I think kergoth was supposed to release something UNLESS his house burned down, or so he claimed. |
| 20:11:53 | warmi | Speedy2 so there you go .. obviously we are talking about homeless guy now |
| 20:12:00 | noidd | :q! |
| 20:12:20 | Cloudchaser | hmm warmi this looks a bit more than what i'm looking for |
| 20:12:30 | Cloudchaser | needs a server based database it looks like |
| 20:12:48 | warmi | no, it has its own implementation of xbase |
| 20:12:57 | warmi | which is a local , file based database |
| 20:13:12 | warmi | you don't need to connect to sql server ( unless you want to , that is) |
| 20:13:14 | mark | in 3 sentances or less, someone tell me what is evil about java. go. :) |
| 20:13:21 | Cloudchaser | i had thought he said that but then i'm reading that pdf |
| 20:13:46 | Cloudchaser | it says rekall itslef does not contain a database |
| 20:14:10 | warmi | 1. Assumes programmer is too stupid to be able to handle memory on its own |
| 20:14:18 | warmi | 2. Was created at Sun |
| 20:14:41 | warmi | 3. Microsoft doesn't like it - that covers for all 3 points |
| 20:14:52 | ljp | is compiling qtopiadesktop... :D |
| 20:14:58 | mark | ljp: got the source? |
| 20:15:02 | warmi | Cloudchaser I remember BigBoss saying that it came with its own small database engine |
| 20:15:13 | ljp | didnt get too far |
| 20:15:22 | warmi | ljp hjeheheheh |
| 20:15:29 | ljp | must need qt 3.1 |
| 20:15:44 | warmi | ljp: it doesn't use autoconfig ? |
| 20:15:49 | Cloudchaser | that zuc is very cool |
| 20:15:52 | ljp | QFileDirect |
| 20:15:55 | Cloudchaser | but don't see how to add anything |
| 20:16:04 | treke|home | warmi: Since when did trolltech ever use autoconf |
| 20:16:16 | warmi | treke_ yeah, true |
| 20:16:32 | treke|home | thats what tmake is for |
| 20:16:47 | warmi | tmake won't really tell you what's missing |
| 20:16:51 | mark | warmi: cheers |
| 20:17:15 | treke|home | yup, but its more troll friendly, I guess |
| 20:17:26 | warmi | treke: I prefer tmake myself |
| 20:17:33 | ljp | qtopia-1.6 snapshots |
| 20:17:39 | warmi | all my source code comes with app.pro instead of Makefiles |
| 20:17:56 | treke|home | 1.6? anything nifty in there? |
| 20:18:12 | Cloudchaser | i think i'll email the zuc guy |
| 20:18:19 | mark | ljp: haven't even released 1.5 yet... |
| 20:18:22 | warmi | mark": what's up with that Java ? what are you up to this time ? |
| 20:18:42 | warmi | Cloudchaser yeah, ask him .. maybe there is a file or something you can edit to add stuff |
| 20:18:52 | mark | warmi: i'm having a 'java is evil', 'java isn't' argument :). |
| 20:19:15 | warmi | oh ... it depends how is it going to be used |
| 20:19:17 | ljp | hmm must need qt/e 3 |
| 20:19:19 | warmi | etc .. |
| 20:19:45 | noidd | I need an app to run on windows, linux and the zaurus... what else do I use but java? |
| 20:19:49 | treke|home | ljp: this for the vercel job? |
| 20:19:51 | warmi | if it is for desktop then just ask him how many java based desktop apps does he have on his machine |
| 20:19:59 | mark | noidd: c++ and qt |
| 20:19:59 | ljp | nope |
| 20:20:01 | warmi | noidd: Qt |
| 20:20:18 | ljp | its in tt's ftp site.. except qt 3.1 |
| 20:20:30 | treke|home | ljp: the source is? |
| 20:20:33 | noidd | ok, i'm convinced |
| 20:20:46 | ljp | :D |
| 20:20:50 | noidd | going to amazon.com now to buy a C++ book |
| 20:20:55 | noidd | any reccomendations? |
| 20:21:08 | warmi | hehe .. noidd .. my Puzz-le game - it was written on Windows, then recompiled on Linux and finally crosscompiled for the Zaurus itself |
| 20:21:11 | warmi | Qt is great |
| 20:21:36 | mark | warmi: indeed, it rocks. I compiled puzz-le from source the other day, I promise to buy a copy when I get my VISA card though :) |
| 20:21:42 | noidd | I've been a Gtk programmer all my life. I feel like I just sold my soul. |
| 20:21:43 | treke|home | ljp: where on the ftp site? |
| 20:22:00 | warmi | mark: hehe.. no need to promise. you did nothign wrong :-) |
| 20:22:14 | warmi | people who know how to do it supposed to compile it themselves |
| 20:22:35 | warmi | noidd : yeah .. welcome to the club of Qt converts |
| 20:23:12 | treke|home | hehe. welcome to the club of torn qt converts |
| 20:23:22 | warmi | heh |
| 20:23:25 | mark | imagines group sitting round in a circle (like alcoholics anonymous) discussing how they moved to qt |
| 20:23:40 | noidd | I really like the Gtk model. I loathe the Tk model. Qt didn't exist when I started, so with a choice of Gtk against Tk it was a no-brainer for me. |
| 20:23:46 | treke|home | likes programming qt, but hates seeing qt apps running on his desktop |
| 20:23:53 | jmh|nwn | hehe |
| 20:23:56 | warmi | nah ... to tell you the truth .. I have yet to see better C++ GUI/framework lib for any platform |
| 20:24:03 | jmh|nwn | is a gtk man himself |
| 20:24:09 | jmh|nwn | but not programming wise |
| 20:24:11 | jmh|nwn | :/ |
| 20:24:15 | sig | shizzle |
| 20:24:22 | warmi | I can;t stand GTK look |
| 20:24:25 | mark | warmi: i doubt one exists :) |
| 20:24:32 | warmi | I much prefer Windows Qt style look |
| 20:24:40 | warmi | but I like Windows GUI in general so no wonder .. |
| 20:25:02 | treke|home | qt-designer looks so out of place on my desktop |
| 20:25:15 | warmi | mark: Swing is close but it is not as easy to use not to mention slow like hell |
| 20:25:29 | warmi | treke: that's cause you are running some weird-ass win manager |
| 20:25:30 | warmi | hehe |
| 20:25:51 | sig | can someone tell me why this is appearing in dmesg? |
| 20:25:54 | treke|home | nah, its because everything else graphical I use is gtk based. well that or motif |
| 20:25:54 | sig | IN=eth0 OUT= MAC= SRC=192.168.1.100 DST=192.168.1.255 LEN=96 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=64 ID=0 DF PROTO=UDP SPT=137 DPT=137 LEN=76 |
| 20:26:00 | sig | like a whole ton of them |
| 20:26:30 | warmi | sig: have no clue .. sorry |
| 20:26:36 | killefiz_ | sig: these are firewall messages |
| 20:26:37 | Cloudchaser | netbios broadcast? |
| 20:26:43 | sig | killefiz_: i figured that |
| 20:26:44 | sig | ok |
| 20:26:58 | Cloudchaser | you blocking them? |
| 20:27:13 | warmi | treke: yeah .. I tried Gnome but it has ( or used to have) this Motif-gone-wild look to it |
| 20:27:21 | killefiz | sig: it was worth a try ;) |
| 20:27:29 | warmi | it is basically Motif clone |
| 20:27:53 | sig | killefiz: must be firestarter's info |
| 20:28:00 | sig | I won't worry about it then |
| 20:28:06 | sig | my cdrw went out |
| 20:28:14 | sig | started making a high pitched noise |
| 20:28:25 | sig | won't even get recognized at startup |
| 20:28:29 | sig | no lights or anything now |
| 20:28:30 | sig | :( |
| 20:28:35 | sig | I just ordered a new on |
| 20:28:37 | sig | e |
| 20:28:38 | noidd | sig: thats netbios broadcast traffic |
| 20:28:55 | sig | noidd: I have it blocked out on the firewall |
| 20:29:09 | noidd | good for you :- |
| 20:29:10 | noidd | :-) |
| 20:29:30 | noidd | you're windows machines were being promiscuous |
| 20:29:38 | sig | you guys want to buy cheap cdrw's go to: http://www.inca-city.com |
| 20:29:50 | sig | noidd: I don'tuse windows |
| 20:30:13 | noidd | sig: what machine is 192.168.1.100 |
| 20:30:16 | Rascal | sigh. how long does it take to flash OZ? |
| 20:30:18 | sig | debian |
| 20:30:22 | sig | sig@debian:~$ |
| 20:30:24 | noidd | Rascal: 3-10 mins |
| 20:30:36 | noidd | Rascal: the longest 3-10 mins of your life :-) |
| 20:30:48 | Rascal | lol yup |
| 20:30:51 | noidd | sig: You're running samba then or something like that |
| 20:31:02 | noidd | sig: lsof -ni | grep 137 |
| 20:31:03 | sig | yeah, noidd thats what it is |
| 20:31:16 | treke|home | + |
| 20:31:58 | mark | right, i'm off. cya in a weeks time everyone |
| 20:34:44 | sig | sony 24x10x40 (OEM) (Free Ground Shipping) <-- I got that for $48.00 from inca-city.com |
| 20:34:45 | sig | :) |
| 20:34:48 | sig | just bought it |
| 20:37:29 | whardier | http://hardwire.bogomip.com/gallery/view_photo.php?full=1&set_albumName=Artwork&id=acl <- fresh from the gimp oven |
| 20:40:23 | sig | http://hardwire.bogomip.com/gallery/view_photo.php?set_albumName=Artwork&id=aaw |
| 20:42:11 | Rascal | something musta went wrong on my flash.. |
| 20:42:14 | whardier | :) |
| 20:42:20 | Rascal | the email and power light is still on |
| 20:42:32 | sig | Rascal: just leave it |
| 20:42:34 | sig | don't touch it |
| 20:42:37 | sig | until it is done |
| 20:42:45 | Rascal | oh it's been on for like 15 min |
| 20:42:53 | sig | oh |
| 20:42:59 | sig | heh, yeah something went wrong |
| 20:43:21 | Rascal | maybe I forgot to rename the initrd.bin file.. |
| 20:43:37 | Rascal | will it really mess up my zaurus? |
| 20:43:43 | sig | probably |
| 20:43:47 | sig | probably won't boot ever again |
| 20:43:53 | sig | I hope you bought the warranty |
| 20:43:58 | Rascal | lol yup |
| 20:44:05 | sig | heh |
| 20:44:07 | noidd | warranty wont help actually |
| 20:44:08 | sig | reset it and see |
| 20:44:13 | sig | yes it will |
| 20:44:14 | noidd | Rascal: did both lights go on? |
| 20:44:36 | noidd | and both still on now or just the battery light on? |
| 20:44:59 | Rascal | both are still on |
| 20:46:40 | noidd | you using solid state CF or one of those microdrives? |
| 20:46:59 | Rascal | solid state |
| 20:47:17 | sig | should have used a SD |
| 20:47:18 | sig | hehe |
| 20:47:28 | noidd | you cant use an SD |
| 20:47:32 | sig | yes you can |
| 20:47:34 | sig | I did |
| 20:47:47 | sig | /mnt/card is the root dir for the SD |
| 20:47:48 | MSpin | did OZ 10.3 get released last night?:) |
| 20:47:49 | Rascal | I didn't use sd |
| 20:48:01 | noidd | i'm being given conflicting information again then |
| 20:48:02 | sig | MSpin: go see |
| 20:48:20 | sig | but the safe way is with the CF card |
| 20:48:27 | sig | or using the setupz.exe |
| 20:48:33 | Rascal | well my zaurus is still working.. |
| 20:48:38 | Rascal | gonna try it again.. |
| 20:48:42 | noidd | check the filenames |
| 20:48:49 | Rascal | ya I probably go the filenames wrong |
| 20:48:50 | sig | delete the images first |
| 20:48:57 | sig | start over from fresh |
| 20:49:03 | sig | go slow this time |
| 20:49:12 | sig | and don't forget to plug it into the power |
| 20:49:13 | sig | hehehe |
| 20:49:25 | sig | I forgot to do that once and my warranty saved me... hehehehe |
| 20:49:33 | Rascal | lol that bad eh? |
| 20:49:46 | sig | the power cord is a must!! lol |
| 20:49:59 | MSpin | :( |
| 20:50:12 | noidd | no release then MSpin? |
| 20:50:35 | Rascal | ahh forgot to rename zImage |
| 20:50:43 | sig_Zaurus | lol |
| 20:50:48 | sig_Zaurus | yeah that might do it |
| 20:50:49 | sig_Zaurus | hehe |
| 20:50:52 | MSpin | noidd: nope;( |
| 20:51:06 | sig_Zaurus | I need to take a nap |
| 20:51:07 | Rascal | wish me luck.. |
| 20:51:16 | sig | --- Received a CTCP Sound Recycle.wav from not12 |
| 20:51:21 | sig | who's this putz? |
| 20:51:51 | noidd | Rascal: that would do it ;-) |
| 20:52:50 | Rascal | at least I was lucky and didn't loose the whole thing |
| 20:53:30 | Rascal | 14,1has joined15,1 Husker Death CS 1.5 14[1566.221.111.10:2702314].15,1 @Rascal14,1 for details. |
| 20:53:57 | HermosaGuy | anyone know where I can find the sharp i/o connector |
| 20:57:00 | Rascal | 14,1is back from15,1 Husker Death CS 1.5 14(1566.221.111.10:2702314). Playing Time: 1500:03:2914. |
| 20:57:03 | Cloudchaser | that's the million dollar question |
| 20:57:07 | noidd | HermosaGuy: its on the bottom of your palm or out the back of your cradle I believe |
| 20:57:20 | Cloudchaser | oh i thought he wanted to buy one |
| 20:57:23 | HermosaGuy | noidd: Thanks |
| 20:57:41 | HermosaGuy | , ut I want to buy one |
| 20:57:47 | noidd | he said "the" which made me think he meant the one on his device |
| 20:58:03 | noidd | Cloudchaser: looks like your womens intuition bore out there |
| 20:58:07 | Cloudchaser | nah he prolly wants a nice working serial cable that doesn't block the keyboard ;) |
| 20:58:15 | HermosaGuy | ok, can you tell me where to fina A connector |
| 20:58:28 | noidd | no idea, sorry :-( |
| 20:58:28 | HermosaGuy | find, not fina |
| 20:58:38 | Cloudchaser | nope the company that makes them i think won't sell less than 10,000 or something stupid like that |
| 20:58:49 | HermosaGuy | thats what I thought |
| 20:59:15 | Cloudchaser | jasonnj said he's trying to get them to sell less, but didn't sound like that meant we could buy 1 or 2 |
| 20:59:28 | W|GGL|T | husker death?? |
| 20:59:56 | HermosaGuy | how many did he want to sell? |
| 21:00:26 | Cloudchaser | i think he was trying to get manufactuer to sell like a few hundred at a time but not positive |
| 21:00:41 | Cloudchaser | have to ask him when he's around |
| 21:01:39 | HermosaGuy | thanks, I'm trying to link my calc to my z |
| 21:02:24 | HermosaGuy | I guess I can just buy a serial cable from sharp |
| 21:03:32 | Cloudchaser | why link calc to z? |
| 21:04:46 | HermosaGuy | I only have 128k on my TI83+, I have 32m on my z |
| 21:05:20 | Cloudchaser | so your calc can use z's memory? |
| 21:05:50 | HermosaGuy | That's an Idea |
| 21:06:15 | HermosaGuy | It wouldn't be that hard, but I just wanted to beable to copy files back and forth |
| 21:06:19 | Cloudchaser | hehe .. what were you meaning? |
| 21:06:22 | Cloudchaser | ah |
| 21:06:32 | Cloudchaser | your calc stores files then? |
| 21:06:46 | HermosaGuy | yea |
| 21:07:03 | Cloudchaser | what kind of files? like record of calculations? |
| 21:07:56 | HermosaGuy | Mostly math and science software (and a few games) |
| 21:08:29 | Cloudchaser | hehe cool |
| 21:08:47 | HermosaGuy | gut don't tell my teacher's |
| 21:08:56 | HermosaGuy | just, not gut |
| 21:09:09 | Cloudchaser | haha no worries there ;) |
| 21:09:54 | Cloudchaser | foo my email to the creator of zuc came back :( |
| 21:10:25 | HermosaGuy | what's zuc? |
| 21:11:10 | Cloudchaser | a unit converter |
| 21:11:24 | Cloudchaser | i want to know if he could add currency converter |
| 21:11:37 | HermosaGuy | oh |
| 21:12:05 | HermosaGuy | I just got my z last week. |
| 21:13:26 | HermosaGuy | I just got a stupid idea. |
| 21:13:41 | sig | what? |
| 21:13:42 | treke|home | bleh. compile already! |
| 21:13:45 | sig | likes stupid ideas |
| 21:13:46 | HermosaGuy | is there a TI emulator for the zaurus. |
| 21:13:49 | HermosaGuy | ? |
| 21:13:52 | sig | TI? |
| 21:14:16 | Cloudchaser | texas instruments calculator |
| 21:14:31 | sig | there are lots of calculators for it |
| 21:14:39 | sig | http://www.zauruszone.com/feed |
| 21:14:54 | Cloudchaser | numbers are a pita to type on the kyeboard though |
| 21:15:16 | warmi_dinner | marek was working on TI emulator for the Zaurus |
| 21:15:23 | warmi_dinner | mark I mean |
| 21:15:43 | warmi_dinner | I don't know how far he got with it |
| 21:15:46 | HermosaGuy | is ther a TI83+ emulater for linix? |
| 21:15:54 | sig | google it |
| 21:16:10 | warmi_dinner | he did port of X based TI emulator |
| 21:16:24 | sig | http://project.terminus.sk/ti85emu/ |
| 21:16:24 | Cloudchaser | warmi_dinner: it looks like the tkcrekall is like acces |
| 21:16:29 | warmi_dinner | Xserver based emulator for Linux . he just ported it to use Qt + framebuffer |
| 21:16:33 | Cloudchaser | have teo have it to get list of its databases |
| 21:16:34 | noidd | going to bed - later guys |
| 21:16:41 | Cloudchaser | cya noidd: |
| 21:16:46 | warmi_dinner | Cloudchaser : could be .. I haven't tried it yet |
| 21:16:47 | sig | later noidd |
| 21:16:56 | warmi_dinner | but that's the only db app available for the Zaurus at this point |
| 21:16:58 | sig | HermosaGuy: http://project.terminus.sk/ti85emu/ |
| 21:16:59 | Cloudchaser | i was reading docs |
| 21:17:08 | Cloudchaser | fooey! |
| 21:17:30 | sig | zic can't handle perl scripts |
| 21:17:30 | HermosaGuy | cool! |
| 21:17:32 | sig | fuck |
| 21:18:10 | treke|home | why would zic handle perl scripts? |
| 21:18:15 | Cloudchaser | whatcha trying to do sig? |
| 21:18:20 | sig | treke|home: for things like this |
| 21:18:23 | sig | I'm using Linux 2.4.18: CPU Model: AMD Athlon(tm) Processor ° CPU Speed: 1009.008 MHz ° RAM Usage: 63/899M 14[415||||||||||14] ° DiskSpace: 126G with 96G Free ° Screen Resolution: 1600x1200 ° Number of process: 51 ° Uptime: 15:23:20 up 57 min, 2 users, load average: 0.16, 0.15, 0.05 ° Data Transfered: In: 0.00M Out: 0.00M ¤ E=mc^2 |
| 21:18:34 | sig | so it would put out your z's systeminfo |
| 21:18:41 | sig | just for fun while on irc with your zaurus |
| 21:18:47 | treke|home | its a pda irc client :) |
| 21:18:55 | sig | treke|home: so |
| 21:18:56 | sig | :) |
| 21:18:59 | foldingpaper | sig: my Z is so jacked now. lol |
| 21:19:05 | treke|home | perl is fricken big |
| 21:19:06 | sig | foldingpaper: how come? |
| 21:19:21 | sig | treke|home: all you need is one little systeminfo script |
| 21:19:23 | warmi_dinner | I think I put too much grounded garlic on my chicken .. it kinda tastes funny |
| 21:19:24 | warmi_dinner | huh |
| 21:19:26 | sig | doesn't need to be big for the z |
| 21:19:31 | treke|home | anyone had problems using QWidget based .ui files with the qtopia sdk? |
| 21:19:38 | treke|home | sig: But that needs perl to interpret it |
| 21:19:52 | sig | treke|home: yeah, thats the problem |
| 21:19:53 | sig | hehehe |
| 21:20:05 | foldingpaper | sig: I got the CF card and did the install the "linux / max " way, and it just starting scrolling errors about inodes and fixing them |
| 21:20:17 | sig | foldingpaper: that sucks |
| 21:20:18 | foldingpaper | erm, mac |
| 21:20:27 | sig | foldingpaper: did you figure out that memory problem? |
| 21:20:45 | Rascal | does sync and qtdesktop work with tOZ? |
| 21:20:50 | treke|home | for some reason I can compile QDialog based stuff just fine, but not QWidget |
| 21:20:52 | warmi_dinner | treke: do you use QTdesigner a lot ? |
| 21:20:58 | foldingpaper | sig: no. right now its not even booting correctly. *le sigh* |
| 21:21:07 | sig | foldingpaper: take it back |
| 21:21:16 | treke|home | warmi_dinner: not much. Just started with it yesterday |
| 21:21:25 | foldingpaper | sig: and go for a third Z? |
| 21:21:29 | treke|home | none of the other stuff I've written has been very dialog based |
| 21:21:29 | warmi_dinner | I tried it couple of times and just can't get it to do what I want .. I am more proficient with just coding layout managers code by hand |
| 21:21:40 | sig | foldingpaper: might as well, you don't want one that doesn't work right |
| 21:21:58 | foldingpaper | sig: yeah.. it would be nice to have something that boots |
| 21:22:07 | sig | foldingpaper: take it back |
| 21:22:46 | foldingpaper | sig: I`m glad I got a better warrenty for it |
| 21:22:54 | sig | yeah |
| 21:22:55 | treke|home | warmi_dinner: its one of those apps that I probably wont finish if I have to do layout by hand. Since I really dont care that much for the game :) |
| 21:22:56 | sig | brb |
| 21:22:58 | foldingpaper | ok |
| 21:23:05 | Rascal | ahh forgot to rename zImage |
| 21:23:06 | Rascal | does sync and qtdesktop work with tOZ? |
| 21:23:08 | warmi_dinner | treke_ what is it ? |
| 21:23:17 | treke|home | just a cheak solarwars nockoff |
| 21:23:30 | treke|home | something I kinda miss from my palm, but not that much |
| 21:23:37 | warmi_dinner | oh .. it is not a port though .. right ? |
| 21:24:06 | sig | debian:/home/sig# dd if=/dev/cdrom of=sof2cd1.iso |
| 21:24:07 | treke|home | not really. I'm gonna try stealing the event weights to keep it feeling similar, but not really a port |
| 21:24:42 | warmi_dinner | are you sure it is spelled cheak solarwars ... |
| 21:24:50 | warmi_dinner | cause I can't find it on Goole |
| 21:24:54 | warmi_dinner | google even |
| 21:24:55 | warmi_dinner | hehe |
| 21:25:35 | treke|home | http://www.google.com/search?q=solarwars |
| 21:25:46 | Cloudchaser | post it notes.. i need z post it notes ;) |
| 21:25:53 | warmi_dinner | uh I got it |
| 21:25:54 | warmi_dinner | thanks |
| 21:26:07 | treke|home | reall cheap game :) Fun though |
| 21:26:25 | warmi_dinner | dopewars in space |
| 21:26:26 | warmi_dinner | hehe |
| 21:27:49 | warmi_dinner | treke|home yeah ... looks interesting |
| 21:27:56 | zappin | Can someone help me |
| 21:27:56 | warmi_dinner | finish the port man :-) |
| 21:28:18 | warmi_dinner | what's your problem zappin ? |
| 21:28:27 | zappin | How do I get into Terminal |
| 21:28:34 | zappin | I know it's a stupid question but I can't find it |
| 21:28:46 | warmi_dinner | you need to install it from your Sharp CD |
| 21:28:55 | warmi_dinner | it is not installed by default |
| 21:28:57 | sig | is playing [ Wynona's big brown beaver ] ¤ E=mc^2 |
| 21:28:59 | zappin | oh ok thank you |
| 21:28:59 | sig | heh |
| 21:29:02 | treke|home | screw qt-designer. Too much trouble |
| 21:29:17 | zappin | I'm trying to enable the internet over USB |
| 21:29:18 | warmi_dinner | treke|home told ya .. |
| 21:29:19 | warmi_dinner | hehe |
| 21:29:50 | HermosaGuy | zappin: you can't on the 5500 |
| 21:29:58 | HermosaGuy | I tried |
| 21:30:04 | warmi_dinner | HermosaGuy are you sure ? |
| 21:30:23 | sig | how do i do a md5sum on a cd in the cdrom drive? |
| 21:30:29 | warmi_dinner | there is even an FAQ for that at : http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/howtos/linux_ethernet-over-usb-howto.shtml |
| 21:30:30 | HermosaGuy | Do you have a 5000 or 5500? |
| 21:30:54 | zappin | 5500 |
| 21:31:46 | treke|home | warmi_dinner: glade is so much easier :) |
| 21:32:19 | warmi_dinner | treke|home could be .. but then again .. GTK more than makes it up for that |
| 21:32:27 | warmi_dinner | with its suckiness |
| 21:32:29 | treke|home | hehe |
| 21:32:57 | treke|home | someone just needs to go and write some good c++ bindings for it |
| 21:33:08 | warmi_dinner | real men do their layouts by hand .. |
| 21:33:21 | treke|home | checks |
| 21:33:28 | treke|home | maybe I'll have to do it by hand then |
| 21:33:33 | warmi_dinner | in fact, real, real man do use layouts at all ... they just override onResize event and do everything tehre |
| 21:33:34 | warmi_dinner | hehe |
| 21:33:43 | warmi_dinner | don't use .. that is |
| 21:33:43 | HermosaGuy | zappin: I checked my manual, it says you can't and I wasn't able to do it, but it might be possible. |
| 21:34:07 | Cloudchaser | darn darn darn.. the zuc guy's mail server rejected my email |
| 21:34:12 | Cloudchaser | twice |
| 21:34:25 | HermosaGuy | i'm sorry :-) |
| 21:34:30 | warmi_dinner | Cloudchaser obviously the guy is gone from there |
| 21:34:40 | Cloudchaser | yeah sounds like |
| 21:34:51 | Cloudchaser | but handango and his website has that address |
| 21:35:03 | warmi_dinner | zappin : you should get yourself CF nic .. |
| 21:35:17 | warmi_dinner | much better than for net acess from your Zaurus |
| 21:35:18 | zappin | yeah how much are they? |
| 21:35:24 | whardier | http://hardwire.bogomip.com/gallery/view_photo.php?set_albumName=Artwork&id=aco <- my last peice of crap for the day |
| 21:35:25 | warmi_dinner | $40 |
| 21:35:54 | warmi_dinner | this is not wireless .. just standard etherner lan card that plugs in your CF port and into hab on the other end |
| 21:36:05 | warmi_dinner | I mean the cable goes into hab on the other end |
| 21:36:10 | Cloudchaser | hehe whardier |
| 21:36:12 | HermosaGuy | it takes 5 seconds to set up |
| 21:36:14 | zappin | I just downloaded terminal off the sharp webpage, how do I install it? |
| 21:36:30 | warmi_dinner | whardier: this is great ! |
| 21:36:36 | Cloudchaser | you using windows or linux |
| 21:36:46 | zappin | my pc is windows |
| 21:36:52 | Cloudchaser | qtopia desktop? |
| 21:36:56 | zappin | yeah |
| 21:37:01 | warmi_dinner | man .. I love that old-rusted film - kind of look |
| 21:37:06 | Cloudchaser | ok drag it into window |
| 21:37:14 | Cloudchaser | put it where you want it, ram or card |
| 21:37:22 | zappin | ok |
| 21:37:26 | Cloudchaser | go to install programs app |
| 21:37:33 | Cloudchaser | on z |
| 21:37:43 | Cloudchaser | and hit the button and voila |
| 21:37:55 | Cloudchaser | (well ok a couple buttons) |
| 21:38:14 | zappin | I did that |
| 21:38:15 | warmi_dinner | hehe |
| 21:38:22 | zappin | it came up as an .exe on my zaurus |
| 21:38:30 | Cloudchaser | hmm? |
| 21:38:44 | warmi_dinner | uh .. then you need to run it on your zaurus .. itlooks like it is zipped |
| 21:39:01 | zappin | how do I run it? |
| 21:39:03 | Cloudchaser | unzip it on pc |
| 21:39:06 | warmi_dinner | you need to get to the point where you have a file which ends with .ipk |
| 21:39:10 | Cloudchaser | download ipk to z |
| 21:39:15 | warmi_dinner | which sharp page you got it from ? |
| 21:39:21 | warmi_dinner | I wanna see what it is exactly |
| 21:39:30 | zappin | http://www.sharpelectronics.com/sharp-usa/be-sharp/showcase/0,1941,600-65-0,00.html |
| 21:40:26 | warmi_dinner | yeah, just run this exec on your windows box |
| 21:40:42 | warmi_dinner | it will ask you for a path to unzip ipk to ... |
| 21:40:57 | warmi_dinner | after you done, jsut copy qpe-terminal_1.5.0-2_arm.ipk to your Zaurus |
| 21:41:01 | zappin | I got it |
| 21:41:04 | zappin | Thanks you guys |
| 21:41:09 | warmi_dinner | n/p |
| 21:41:17 | Cloudchaser | pretty much the same process for any .ipk |
| 21:41:35 | Cloudchaser | once you install it you can remove the .ipk file from your z |
| 21:42:10 | Cloudchaser | hey warmi you still here? |
| 21:42:20 | warmi_dinner | yeah.. I am on and off |
| 21:42:26 | warmi_dinner | watching my chicken :-) |
| 21:42:29 | Cloudchaser | hehe ok |
| 21:42:41 | Cloudchaser | if i post a link would you look at it and see if it would work for z? |
| 21:42:48 | Cloudchaser | i read that it would... |
| 21:42:55 | warmi_dinner | I can always take a look |
| 21:42:56 | warmi_dinner | hehe |
| 21:43:00 | Cloudchaser | but i'm chicken since i'm not a tweaker |
| 21:43:10 | Cloudchaser | http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~bcpierce/unison/ |
| 21:43:43 | whardier | my mind is gone |
| 21:44:03 | warmi_dinner | Cloudchaser: should work fine |
| 21:44:11 | Cloudchaser | warmi_dinner: someone posted this: |
| 21:44:12 | warmi_dinner | all you need is arm binary |
| 21:44:18 | Cloudchaser | wget http.us.debian.org:/debian/pool/main/u/unison/unison_2.9.1-1_arm.deb |
| 21:44:18 | Cloudchaser | dpkg-deb -x unison_2.9.1-1_arm.deb . |
| 21:44:18 | Cloudchaser | scp usr/bin/unison zaurus:/usr/bin/ |
| 21:44:18 | Cloudchaser | Debian's ARM distribution rocks. |
| 21:44:18 | Cloudchaser | Ciao! |
| 21:44:25 | treke|home | Cloudchaser: It looks ok |
| 21:44:32 | Cloudchaser | i do that from z? |
| 21:44:35 | ljp | wow qtopia 1.6 takes alot from opie |
| 21:44:57 | Cloudchaser | you're doing their work for free |
| 21:45:23 | zappin | warmi do you have a howto for the USB in Win2k? |
| 21:45:57 | warmi_dinner | Cloudchaser you can use IE or any browser to download that file and then move it to the ZAurus and run dpkg thingy |
| 21:46:01 | ljp | hehe.. the mediaplayer looks cooler than their old one.. cool buttons |
| 21:46:24 | warmi_dinner | zappin: no .. because this howto was for getting USB working on Linux , windows has already working USB .. |
| 21:46:34 | Cloudchaser | http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/howto_sync_underwin2k.shtml |
| 21:46:37 | warmi_dinner | what version of Windows are you running ? |
| 21:46:45 | treke|home | ljp: what is qtopie-1.6 going into? |
| 21:47:00 | warmi_dinner | Cloudchaser this is just a syncing I think |
| 21:47:01 | Cloudchaser | although i don't think this is quite what youant |
| 21:47:12 | warmi_dinner | he wants to connect to the net over USB |
| 21:47:18 | Cloudchaser | oh bleh |
| 21:47:24 | Cloudchaser | hang on |
| 21:47:40 | Cloudchaser | search at zaurus zone forums |
| 21:47:55 | Cloudchaser | http://www.zauruszone.com/ |
| 21:48:02 | warmi_dinner | zappin the thing is that your Windows need to be set up to act like a Wingate .. XP can do it by default I believe |
| 21:48:20 | warmi_dinner | older versions need special software like Wingate or something like that |
| 21:48:24 | Cloudchaser | yeah have to have internet sharing |
| 21:48:29 | warmi_dinner | exactly |
| 21:48:34 | Cloudchaser | or a linksys could do it |
| 21:48:34 | zappin | I have internet sharing set up |
| 21:48:43 | warmi_dinner | ah ok |
| 21:48:51 | zappin | Sharing to my Zaurus local area network and it still doesn't work |
| 21:49:19 | warmi_dinner | you mean you can ping your WIndows local network computers but you cannot ping outside ? |
| 21:49:32 | ljp | and it looks like their mediaplayer uses 'skins' |
| 21:50:01 | zappin | I can ping my Zaurus |
| 21:50:01 | warmi_dinner | ljp: hehe .. what do you want .. after all it is GPLed stuff you guys are creating |
| 21:50:31 | warmi_dinner | well , can you ping your Windows box from the zaurus ? |
| 21:50:40 | warmi_dinner | ( you should if it works the other way) |
| 21:51:00 | zappin | yes I can |
| 21:51:18 | warmi_dinner | if you can ping your internal network then there is nothing wrong with the zaurus |
| 21:51:25 | ljp | I'm not complaining.. just observing |
| 21:51:43 | zappin | How do I set up the internet then? |
| 21:51:45 | warmi_dinner | you just need to set up default gateway to point to your Windows box which acts as a router |
| 21:51:57 | zappin | how do I do that? |
| 21:52:01 | warmi_dinner | one sec |
| 21:52:03 | zappin | ok |
| 21:52:15 | ljp | is going to swipe their audiowidget |
| 21:52:20 | Cloudchaser | have to set up a connection for usb to get an ip address via dhcp or static? |
| 21:52:20 | treke|home | #@*#)*(@()!@)*(@ |
| 21:52:26 | warmi_dinner | go to your settings folder |
| 21:52:31 | treke|home | all this time and it was a screwed up .pro |
| 21:52:33 | zappin | ok |
| 21:52:40 | warmi_dinner | run Network& Sync app |
| 21:52:46 | zappin | k |
| 21:52:55 | warmi_dinner | it should display your current IP right ? |
| 21:53:10 | zappin | yes |
| 21:53:16 | Cloudchaser | doesn't he have to set up usb-tcp/ip? |
| 21:53:26 | warmi_dinner | then go to Services |
| 21:53:32 | zappin | ok |
| 21:53:44 | warmi_dinner | what do you see there ? |
| 21:53:53 | zappin | USB TCP/IP |
| 21:54:05 | warmi_dinner | select it and select properties |
| 21:54:05 | zappin | I set it up, I was reading in the forum how to do it but it's not working |
| 21:54:16 | zappin | ok |
| 21:54:34 | warmi_dinner | ah ok .. so you have TCP/IP gateway set up and stuff |
| 21:54:49 | zappin | yeah but I don't think correctly |
| 21:54:51 | Cloudchaser | what does your dhcp give out a gateway of your windows box? |
| 21:55:23 | zappin | what now? |
| 21:55:23 | warmi_dinner | basically it should be set up the same way as it is on your WIndows boxes that use this internet sharing |
| 21:55:37 | Cloudchaser | the z should have default gateway of the address of your windows box, then your windows box has gateway to internet |
| 21:55:38 | Cloudchaser | right |
| 21:55:54 | zappin | so Obtain TCp/IP Information Automatically? |
| 21:56:02 | Cloudchaser | do you have dhcp set up? |
| 21:56:10 | zappin | I don't think so |
| 21:56:19 | warmi_dinner | so use specify then |
| 21:56:28 | Cloudchaser | does windows internet sharing act as dhcp ? |
| 21:56:45 | Cloudchaser | or does it just do the nat'ing |
| 21:56:52 | Cloudchaser | (well pat, not nat) |
| 21:57:17 | Cloudchaser | zappin: do you hve other pc's sharing internet? |
| 21:57:21 | zappin | yes |
| 21:57:30 | zappin | but I they are on another network |
| 21:57:49 | Cloudchaser | if you have 2 networks you need a router between them |
| 21:57:54 | Cloudchaser | why is z on other network? |
| 21:57:58 | Cloudchaser | any special reason? |
| 21:57:59 | warmi_dinner | why are they on another network ? |
| 21:58:27 | zappin | I don't know, when I hooked up my Z it said it was on Local Area Network 3 so I sent my internet connection sharing there |
| 21:58:43 | siriusnov | zappin what are you trying to do? |
| 21:58:43 | Cloudchaser | local area network 3? |
| 21:59:05 | zappin | ahh fuck it |
| 21:59:10 | zappin | I'll buy a CF card |
| 21:59:16 | warmi_dinner | Cloudchaser : he can't be on another network if he was able to ping Windows machines from the Zaurus |
| 21:59:25 | Rascal | w00t |
| 21:59:28 | Cloudchaser | unless he's using default usb address |
| 21:59:29 | Rascal | I got OZ working |
| 21:59:34 | warmi_dinner | zappin I use land card myself |
| 21:59:44 | warmi_dinner | I found USB connection to be shaky |
| 21:59:56 | Rascal | only problem is I can't sync with qt |
| 22:00:14 | Rascal | qtopia on my desktop |
| 22:00:24 | warmi_dinner | and Sharp doesn't really suport connecting to the net by ethernet over USB .. they just support syncing between two hosts |
| 22:00:36 | warmi_dinner | (oficially , that is ) |
| 22:00:38 | zappin | where can I buy a CF card? |
| 22:00:48 | warmi_dinner | one sec |
| 22:00:57 | siriusnov | I tried that Windows XP, haha Fat Chance |
| 22:01:21 | warmi_dinner | I use Hawkings Technology CF ethernet card |
| 22:01:24 | Rascal | how do I get OZ to sync with qtopia on my desktop? |
| 22:01:36 | HermosaGuy | hey http://www.blender.nl/ is down. Where did Blender go? |
| 22:01:36 | Cloudchaser | windows or linux? |
| 22:01:46 | Rascal | windows |
| 22:02:02 | Cloudchaser | which windows? |
| 22:02:07 | Rascal | win98 |
| 22:02:13 | siriusnov | blender got sold |
| 22:02:13 | siriusnov | I think |
| 22:02:22 | HermosaGuy | noooooooooooooooo! |
| 22:02:30 | Cloudchaser | which sharp rom do you have? |
| 22:02:35 | zappin | Warmi, thank you for your help, I'm going to order a CF card |
| 22:02:36 | siriusnov | 2.37 |
| 22:02:39 | Rascal | I finally got qtopia talking to the Zaurus by setting the ip to a static ip |
| 22:02:45 | Rascal | oh.. I don't have a sharp rom |
| 22:02:48 | Cloudchaser | should work just fine |
| 22:02:50 | Rascal | I have OZ |
| 22:03:03 | warmi_dinner | zappin : http://www.nextag.com/Hawking_10M_CF_ETH~2263238z3znz300000zz1zzcf_card_ethernetzmainz2-htm |
| 22:03:29 | warmi_dinner | this one works for me fine |
| 22:04:58 | HermosaGuy | siriusnov: do you know if I can still download blender somewhere? |
| 22:05:56 | Cloudchaser | rascal: First install and run opie-security and hit okay, then echo "1.1" > $HOME/systeminfo/linkver .. |
| 22:05:56 | warmi_dinner | ljp: do you know if QtopiaDesktop is GPLed software ? |
| 22:06:12 | Cloudchaser | if synching doesn't work then ask ljp :) |
| 22:06:16 | siriusnov | HermosaGuy : I heard the MPAA and RIAA had the blender folk take down all software. And went after the folks who distributed blender. |
| 22:06:23 | Cloudchaser | i have to go eat, cya all in a bit |
| 22:06:52 | warmi_dinner | siriusnov blender ?? for what ? it is 3d rendering app ! |
| 22:07:10 | siriusnov | you guys are so gullible ;) |
| 22:07:19 | warmi_dinner | siri: hehe |
| 22:07:26 | siriusnov | i could tell you I had a camel over for dinner and youd believe it |
| 22:07:26 | warmi_dinner | I knew something was not kosher there |
| 22:07:35 | HermosaGuy | I wnat my Blender!:'-( |
| 22:07:41 | siriusnov | Actually I think blender is just having site problems |
| 22:07:51 | siriusnov | but I do know that it was up for sale |
| 22:07:53 | siriusnov | like the source |
| 22:07:57 | warmi_dinner | siriusnov : and we are supposed to believe that one as well ? |
| 22:08:00 | warmi_dinner | fat chance |
| 22:08:02 | warmi_dinner | :-) |
| 22:08:05 | siriusnov | hehe |
| 22:09:03 | warmi_dinner | frankly, once upon the time |
| 22:09:15 | warmi_dinner | climov ( the author of Qpose port) |
| 22:09:24 | HermosaGuy | oh, well I'll live |
| 22:09:29 | HermosaGuy | mayby |
| 22:09:37 | warmi_dinner | actually fooled half of teh channel into thinking that his site got shut down by Palm |
| 22:09:51 | warmi_dinner | people started writing angry letters to Palm |
| 22:10:02 | HermosaGuy | lol |
| 22:10:06 | warmi_dinner | it was on April 1st |
| 22:10:16 | warmi_dinner | and some folks did not take his joke too kindly |
| 22:10:18 | warmi_dinner | heeh |
| 22:10:25 | siriusnov | lol |
| 22:11:33 | warmi_dinner | actually his nick is catalin .. his name is climov |
| 22:11:42 | warmi_dinner | and he is right here with us |
| 22:11:53 | warmi_dinner | most likely sleeping since it is midnight in Europe |
| 22:13:32 | whardier | whabawabawaba |
| 22:13:47 | HermosaGuy | ? |
| 22:13:52 | siriusnov | heh |
| 22:14:19 | warmi_dinner | HermosaGuy not everything has to always make perfect sense :-) |
| 22:15:31 | whardier | :P |
| 22:16:46 | codemnky | yo |
| 22:17:25 | warmi_dinner | hi codemnky |
| 22:17:48 | Rascal | sigh MS sucks |
| 22:18:15 | sig | sup codemnky |
| 22:18:34 | warmi_dinner | uh .. this statemnet Rascal is not going to make any waves on this channel |
| 22:18:36 | warmi_dinner | heh |
| 22:18:44 | Rascal | lol |
| 22:18:56 | sig | he is just stating the true |
| 22:18:58 | sig | lol |
| 22:19:07 | Rascal | hey does anyone know how to get the zaurus to sync with my windows desktop? |
| 22:19:09 | whardier | la;kjsdf |
| 22:19:14 | HermosaGuy | Rascal: <sarcasm>No way</sarcasm> |
| 22:19:18 | sig | Rascal: read the manual |
| 22:19:24 | siriusnov | Rascal, its easy |
| 22:19:27 | siriusnov | RTFM |
| 22:19:29 | siriusnov | RTFM |
| 22:19:30 | siriusnov | RTFM |
| 22:19:31 | siriusnov | RTFM |
| 22:19:35 | siriusnov | sorry |
| 22:19:36 | siriusnov | hehe |
| 22:19:38 | siriusnov | ;) |
| 22:19:38 | Rascal | the prog is saying the versions isn't correct |
| 22:19:41 | Rascal | it's a wierd error |
| 22:19:48 | siriusnov | Rascalm the sl-5500? |
| 22:19:50 | siriusnov | Rascal |
| 22:19:52 | Rascal | ya |
| 22:19:55 | siriusnov | hmm |
| 22:19:58 | siriusnov | using intellisync? |
| 22:20:02 | Rascal | tried both |
| 22:20:05 | whardier | ____ _____ _____ __ __ |
| 22:20:05 | whardier | | _ \_ _| ___| \/ | |
| 22:20:05 | whardier | | |_) || | | |_ | |\/| | |
| 22:20:05 | whardier | | _ < | | | _| | | | | |
| 22:20:05 | whardier | |_| \_\|_| |_| |_| |_| |
| 22:20:05 | whardier | |
| 22:20:07 | siriusnov | with both? |
| 22:20:10 | Rascal | yep |
| 22:20:15 | siriusnov | what does Qtopia desktop say? |
| 22:20:28 | Rascal | with qtopia it said the qtopia verion on the desktop and zaurus wasn't the same |
| 22:20:41 | siriusnov | what windows is this? |
| 22:20:46 | siriusnov | Rascal, thats messed up |
| 22:20:50 | Rascal | 98SE |
| 22:20:54 | siriusnov | hmmm |
| 22:20:57 | Rascal | intellisync says this: |
| 22:21:16 | warmi_dinner | sounds like BMW model |
| 22:21:17 | Rascal | This version of Intellisync for SL does not match the version on your Zaurus Intellisync for SL will now exit |
| 22:21:18 | warmi_dinner | 98SE |
| 22:21:31 | siriusnov | ?? |
| 22:21:50 | siriusnov | try using a newer version |
| 22:21:53 | siriusnov | from myzaurus.com |
| 22:21:58 | ljp | ehhhh, whardier.. lay off the caffeine, eh? ;) |
| 22:22:47 | sig | http://www.inca-city.com/cdrw.html |
| 22:22:52 | sig | just bought me one |
| 22:22:59 | sig | go buy one, they have a killer deal right now |
| 22:23:01 | whardier | rawR |
| 22:23:06 | sig | Sony 24x10x40 (OEM) (Free Ground Shipping) |
| 22:23:07 | sig | Price: $99.99 |
| 22:23:07 | sig | Sale Price: $48.00 |
| 22:23:24 | Rascal | gonna try it.. |
| 22:23:39 | Rascal | oh the setupQ.exe file right? |
| 22:23:41 | Rascal | already tried it.. |
| 22:23:50 | siriusnov | Rascal, its a newer version |
| 22:24:03 | siriusnov | did you uninstall any previous versions of intellisync? |
| 22:24:19 | Rascal | I just uninstalled qtopia and installed intellisync |
| 22:24:31 | siriusnov | hmmm |
| 22:24:34 | siriusnov | weird |
| 22:24:40 | Rascal | before that I installed the qtopia from disc and upgraded it from myzaurus |
| 22:24:44 | siriusnov | I dunno man, its never happened to me |
| 22:24:45 | Rascal | still same problems |
| 22:24:49 | siriusnov | I just use Qtopia |
| 22:24:57 | siriusnov | did you install the drivers? |
| 22:25:01 | Rascal | ya.. |
| 22:25:04 | siriusnov | you have to install the drivers too |
| 22:25:10 | siriusnov | It might just be windows ya know |
| 22:25:12 | Rascal | you guys using OZ right? |
| 22:25:20 | siriusnov | OMFG |
| 22:25:23 | siriusnov | your using OZ |
| 22:25:27 | Rascal | ya |
| 22:25:39 | siriusnov | smacks Rascal with a smelly turnip |
| 22:25:48 | Rascal | y? |
| 22:25:49 | siriusnov | of course it wont work then |
| 22:25:50 | siriusnov | =P |
| 22:25:52 | warmi_dinner | hehehehe |
| 22:26:03 | Rascal | that's what I wanted to find out.. ;) |
| 22:26:12 | Rascal | is there a workaround? |
| 22:26:29 | siriusnov | smacks Rascal with a "Maybe you should have told us that 3 pages of typing ago" turnip |
| 22:26:30 | roge99_laptop | is back (gone 16:45:26) |
| 22:26:37 | warmi_dinner | lol |
| 22:26:39 | Rascal | sorry dude. |
| 22:26:48 | siriusnov | I dont know |
| 22:26:53 | siriusnov | OZ is not my territory |
| 22:27:35 | siriusnov | if you wanna use Qtopia |
| 22:27:40 | siriusnov | I suggest you go back to 2.37 |
| 22:27:42 | siriusnov | for now |
| 22:27:49 | siriusnov | untill they make it compatible |
| 22:27:53 | siriusnov | which i really doubt |
| 22:27:58 | HermosaGuy | Whats so great about OZ? |
| 22:28:05 | siriusnov | OZ has nifty features |
| 22:28:12 | HermosaGuy | such as? |
| 22:28:18 | siriusnov | OZ makes you a l33t haXX0r |
| 22:28:28 | HermosaGuy | cool |
| 22:28:34 | Rascal | ya.. I might just start using evolution |
| 22:28:37 | siriusnov | no not really |
| 22:28:44 | Rascal | and start using my linux desktop more heavily.. |
| 22:28:46 | warmi_dinner | HermosaGuy mostly it allows you modify/customize your OPIE enviroment more than Qtopia does |
| 22:28:51 | siriusnov | yeah basicly |
| 22:28:57 | siriusnov | Im waiting for the 3.0 final release |
| 22:28:58 | warmi_dinner | Qtopia ad this has tons of hardcoded stuff etc .. |
| 22:29:06 | roge99_laptop | Rascal: you can sync OZ with evolutions calendar |
| 22:29:15 | siriusnov | to reflash my Z |
| 22:29:21 | warmi_dinner | <siriusnov> OZ makes you a l33t haXX0r |
| 22:29:21 | Rascal | that's what I figured.. |
| 22:29:23 | warmi_dinner | that too !!! |
| 22:29:27 | Rascal | besides evolutions is nice.. |
| 22:29:40 | HermosaGuy | You know you're a nerd when you know what l33t is. |
| 22:29:44 | Rascal | what's the port ot ftp into the zaurus? |
| 22:29:44 | siriusnov | hehe |
| 22:29:49 | siriusnov | 4242 |
| 22:29:57 | Rascal | gracias |
| 22:29:59 | sig | I love sylhpeed |
| 22:30:05 | siriusnov | phea3 me for I am l33t |
| 22:30:08 | siriusnov | ;) |
| 22:30:43 | warmi_dinner | sylhpeed ? |
| 22:30:51 | warmi_dinner | sounds like a tropical disease |
| 22:31:53 | Rascal | what's the default passwords to ftp into zaurus? |
| 22:32:01 | HermosaGuy | Beats me |
| 22:32:08 | whardier | nothing |
| 22:32:09 | ljp | googliemooglie |
| 22:32:17 | whardier | whumpa whumpa burning love |
| 22:33:24 | Rascal | hmm.. |
| 22:33:30 | ljp | I mean.. greatgoogliemooglie |
| 22:33:51 | HermosaGuy | that' sit, i remember now |
| 22:34:15 | siriusnov | actually |
| 22:34:19 | siriusnov | OZ looks really perty |
| 22:34:27 | whardier | heh |
| 22:34:31 | whardier | it needs uniformed icons |
| 22:34:34 | ljp | well then kiss it |
| 22:34:34 | siriusnov | yeah |
| 22:34:42 | siriusnov | kisses his monitor |
| 22:34:45 | HermosaGuy | where's the're site for OZ? |
| 22:34:51 | whardier | I feel like OZ is turning into Win 3.1 |
| 22:34:56 | | somebody said opie was the Open Palmtop Integrated Environment. More info can be found at http://opie.handhelds.org or in the #opie channel. or at http://www.opie.info or at http://www.opie.us or most important at http://www.opie.info |
| 22:34:56 | siriusnov | ibot opie |
| 22:35:01 | jmh|nwn | whew |
| 22:35:06 | jmh|nwn | whats up folks? |
| 22:35:06 | siriusnov | whardier, why? |
| 22:35:12 | ljp | I'm going to tell kergoth you said that |
| 22:35:18 | siriusnov | lol |
| 22:35:21 | warmi_dinner | whardier hehehe |
| 22:35:25 | jmh|nwn | wonders what he missed |
| 22:35:31 | jmh|nwn | :) |
| 22:35:36 | siriusnov | jmh, just a bit of turnip smacking |
| 22:35:39 | siriusnov | thats all |
| 22:35:41 | siriusnov | ;) |
| 22:35:44 | jmh|nwn | aaah riiiight |
| 22:35:45 | ljp | ibot: message for kergoth: <whardier> I feel like OZ is turning into Win 3.1 |
| 22:35:46 | warmi_dinner | jmh|nwn how was your prison adventure ? |
| 22:35:57 | jmh|nwn | lol! |
| 22:36:20 | jmh|nwn | warmi_dinner: not done yet .. the game wouldnt let me go there so i had to go to some damn nobles area |
| 22:36:23 | ljp | whardier: no soup for you! |
| 22:36:41 | HermosaGuy | * sorry, just messing around |
| 22:36:41 | whardier | I am gonna take you to court |
| 22:36:45 | jmh|nwn | now i have to a) get into a nobles house and steal a key to his warehouse and b) rescue a guard |
| 22:36:48 | HermosaGuy | nope didn't work |
| 22:37:18 | jmh|nwn | damn.. my "sneaky sorcerer" isnt very sneaky :/ may have to change his abilities around |
| 22:37:25 | jmh|nwn | dives back in |
| 22:37:33 | jmh|nwn | waitn.. not yet |
| 22:37:37 | jmh|nwn | checks on the rom |
| 22:37:46 | HermosaGuy | how do you do that stupid * thing!!!!! |
| 22:37:49 | jmh|nwn | damn |
| 22:37:52 | warmi_dinner | jmh|nwn killing nazis is so much simpler |
| 22:37:55 | jmh|nwn | hehe |
| 22:38:19 | sig | warmi: how was dinner |
| 22:38:30 | jmh|nwn | ill probably just end up killing the noble anyways ( i hear he may be doing experiments on humans and other nasty things ;) |
| 22:38:52 | jmh|nwn | ok damn.. no new rom |
| 22:38:54 | warmi | still making it |
| 22:38:56 | jmh|nwn | whats the word on that? |
| 22:39:00 | warmi | I am cooking today |
| 22:39:18 | warmi | in more ways than one |
| 22:39:19 | warmi | heh |
| 22:39:22 | jmh|nwn | heheh |
| 22:40:03 | jmh|nwn | ok so no one knows? cool :) |
| 22:40:13 | jmh|nwn | dives back in for real now |
| 22:40:33 | HermosaGuy | how do you do that stupid * thing !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 22:40:49 | siriusnov | bte |
| 22:40:50 | siriusnov | ntw |
| 22:40:53 | siriusnov | btw |
| 22:40:53 | warmi | you mean star ? |
| 22:40:54 | siriusnov | heh |
| 22:40:59 | siriusnov | btw what the heck is a Hermosa |
| 22:41:57 | warmi | city name |
| 22:41:58 | HermosaGuy | It's where I live |
| 22:42:02 | siriusnov | k |
| 22:42:11 | HermosaGuy | What about The * |
| 22:42:50 | warmi | HermosaGuy let me get it clear .. |
| 22:43:01 | warmi | you are trying to type "*" on the ZAurus keyboard ? |
| 22:44:16 | HermosaGuy | No |
| 22:44:39 | HermosaGuy | How do you send actions through IRC |
| 22:44:41 | HermosaGuy | ? |
| 22:44:45 | treke|home | hmmm, more limitations in qt-designer |
| 22:44:50 | darienm | http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-argonne14.html |
| 22:45:00 | darienm | When he asked his bosses at the U.S. Department of Energy for something to do to justify his $95,000-plus paycheck, they told him something would come along. |
| 22:45:02 | warmi | oh ... I have no idea HermosaGuy .. I never got that far |
| 22:45:25 | HermosaGuy | figures :'-( |
| 22:45:49 | warmi | darienm typical bullshit |
| 22:46:00 | Cloudchaser | rascal: did you try what i suggested about opie security for oz? |
| 22:46:06 | sig | is playing [ Andrew W.K. - Party Hard ] ¤ E=mc^2 |
| 22:46:10 | sig | this song is gay |
| 22:46:10 | sig | lol |
| 22:46:30 | warmi | darienm funny thing is that they keep asking for more and more money |
| 22:47:49 | Rascal | Cloudchaser:sorry wasn't paying attention |
| 22:48:01 | sig | is playing [ Full Metal Jacket - Gunnery Sergeant Hartman ] ¤ E=mc^2 |
| 22:48:18 | sig | lol |
| 22:48:48 | Wintre | sig: I don't think we're particularly interested in your choice of sound track, thank you. |
| 22:49:06 | sig | Wintre: lol |
| 22:51:20 | warmi | HermosaGuy : actions like |
| 22:51:30 | warmi | knows how to do that ? |
| 22:52:42 | sig | warmi: this is a perl script that posts what song you are playing in xmms |
| 22:53:32 | warmi | seems like perl scripts can do just about everything |
| 22:53:42 | sig | warmi: heh yup |
| 22:53:43 | sig | :) |
| 22:54:03 | warmi | does xmms support perl scripting ? |
| 22:54:13 | sig | yup |
| 22:54:15 | sig | is playing [ Korn - Help Me Stay Alive ] ¤ E=mc^2 |
| 22:54:18 | Cloudchaser | - |
| 22:54:23 | sig | this song sucks |
| 22:55:14 | Wintre | Yep. And we're feeling the pain too |
| 22:55:22 | warmi | is playing "Jean Michelle Jarre - Computer Weekend" |
| 22:55:27 | warmi | I can do that too |
| 22:55:29 | sig | Wintre: it isn't that bad |
| 22:55:34 | warmi | and without any scripts |
| 22:55:39 | sig | warmi: yea but you can't spit them out as fast as me |
| 22:55:49 | warmi | frankly using magic of windows copy/paste feature :-) |
| 22:55:54 | sig | mine reads right off of xmms |
| 22:56:02 | sig | warmi: your in windows? |
| 22:56:03 | sig | lol |
| 22:56:04 | warmi | i Know .. I am just playing around |
| 22:56:14 | sig | hah |
| 22:56:18 | warmi | sig: yeah .. I was playing Age Of Kings |
| 22:56:18 | sig | funny |
| 22:56:21 | ljp | Great Goolie-Mooglie! |
| 22:56:23 | sig | cool |
| 22:56:30 | sig | I play all my games in linux |
| 22:56:40 | ljp | linux IS a game |
| 22:56:41 | sig | I've been playing wolfenstein a lot lately |
| 22:56:47 | sig | ljp: wErd |
| 22:57:12 | warmi | ljp: yeah .. sometimes feels like really f** up cross between puzzle and RPG style game |
| 22:57:23 | sig | hah |
| 22:57:29 | sig | ok, I'm out, gotta go swimming |
| 22:57:34 | W|GGL|T | i finally got wolf to boot, now it keeps locking up...time for more research |
| 22:57:57 | sig | W|GGL|T: how are you playing wolf? |
| 22:58:01 | sig | in win32? |
| 22:58:10 | W|GGL|T | yep |
| 22:58:14 | sig | no no no |
| 22:58:21 | W|GGL|T | yes yes yes |
| 22:58:24 | sig | cp all the pak files to your linux machine |
| 22:58:25 | W|GGL|T | i don't game in linux |
| 22:58:35 | sig | mkdir /usr/local/games/wolf |
| 22:58:42 | sig | then run the installer |
| 22:59:04 | sig | wolf-linux-1.33.x86.run |
| 22:59:12 | warmi | sig: you need to have Xfree to do that |
| 22:59:16 | warmi | I run AcceleratedX |
| 22:59:29 | sig | warmi: ah, i see, are you on a laptop? |
| 22:59:43 | warmi | no .. I run AX on all my Linux boxes |
| 22:59:49 | sig | I bet my games run faster than they ever would in a win32 os |
| 22:59:55 | sig | warmi: why? |
| 22:59:56 | W|GGL|T | yeah, then ill have to patch that, script this, get ati drivers for linux or whatever...im sure i can get rtcw running stable in XP easier than i can in linux |
| 23:00:11 | sig | W|GGL|T: no way |
| 23:00:14 | sig | it is easy |
| 23:00:17 | warmi | sig: cause it is faster for most of the X Windows typical stuff 2d graphics etc |
| 23:00:37 | sig | warmi: well get a nvidia card and install the drivers |
| 23:00:56 | W|GGL|T | sig: yes way...im more familiar with XP when it comes to games |
| 23:01:04 | sig | w |
| 23:01:10 | sig | W|GGL|T: I could help you |
| 23:01:19 | sig | I am the Game Guru of Linux |
| 23:01:20 | sig | hehe |
| 23:01:32 | sig | I still play Counter-strike sometimes |
| 23:01:39 | Cloudchaser | bleh i need better wireless antenna range |
| 23:01:42 | | darienm: huh? |
| 23:01:42 | darienm | ibot, counterstrike |
| 23:01:45 | sig | you'll need wine or winex for that though |
| 23:01:46 | treke|home | whenever you have a problem, just /msg TTimo and make him fix it |
| 23:01:59 | W|GGL|T | sig: maybe i'll try it sometime in the next few days then |
| 23:02:05 | whardier | Cloudchaser knock down your walls |
| 23:02:07 | | OK, darienm. |
| 23:02:07 | darienm | ibot, counterstrike is a half-life modification. See http://chimayhem.com for the world's greatest counter-strike server |
| 23:02:08 | sig | cool |
| 23:02:13 | ljp | http://llornkcor.com/screenshots/newplayer.png <- mediaplayer form qtopia 1.6 |
| 23:02:23 | darienm | sig: i run a CS server. 2.5 years. |
| 23:02:24 | sig | well I'm out, gotta eat and go swimming |
| 23:02:30 | sig | darienm: cool |
| 23:02:33 | treke|home | it um, looks like an ipod |
| 23:02:33 | sig | where from? |
| 23:02:34 | warmi | whoa |
| 23:02:41 | W|GGL|T | later sig |
| 23:02:46 | warmi | sig: swimming pool ? |
| 23:02:49 | sig | cya Wintre |
| 23:02:50 | darienm | out of chicago |
| 23:02:52 | treke|home | ljp: no q menu? rocking! |
| 23:02:52 | sig | warmi: yeah |
| 23:03:02 | warmi | sig: ok . have fun then |
| 23:03:06 | darienm | sig: http://chimayhem.com |
| 23:03:12 | sig | darienm: ok |
| 23:03:15 | whardier | that mplayer is sexy |
| 23:03:19 | whardier | seew seew sexy |
| 23:03:20 | sig | I'll bookmark that and look at it later |
| 23:03:27 | ljp | its skinable |
| 23:03:49 | treke|home | hopefully that means the launcher is cooler than the old one |
| 23:03:54 | ljp | much easier to change the button positions |
| 23:04:12 | Wintre | sig: You really actually think it's easier to make games run stably under Linux than under XP? |
| 23:04:26 | Rascal | wintre.. the simple answer is yes |
| 23:04:28 | sig | Wintre: yes |
| 23:04:31 | treke|home | Wintre: yes |
| 23:04:34 | Wintre | I think you're on crack. |
| 23:04:38 | Wintre | All three of your |
| 23:04:38 | sig | Wintre: I am a live talking answer to that |
| 23:04:41 | Rascal | xp is on crack |
| 23:04:41 | Wintre | s/r$// |
| 23:04:49 | sig | Wintre: I think you are a jackass myself |
| 23:04:53 | sig | but who cares |
| 23:04:54 | sig | lol |
| 23:04:55 | warmi | hehehe |
| 23:04:57 | Wintre | Hm, XP might be more crack-laden. Instead let's say 2K |
| 23:05:02 | roge99_laptop | Wintre: I game w/ as well ..... |
| 23:05:10 | ljp | damn.. they use alot from opie |
| 23:05:26 | djax | Hi |
| 23:05:28 | roge99_laptop | w/ linux that is |
| 23:05:30 | Rascal | damn I can't get these packages to install on my SD card |
| 23:05:33 | sig | is away for real this time...... *POOF* |
| 23:05:41 | Rascal | anone know an easy way to do it? |
| 23:06:12 | warmi | sorry folks .. but I think Wintre is right here ... Linux is good for some things . gaming is not among them, at least not as compared to Windows 2000 |
| 23:06:31 | treke|home | Wintre: last time I tried Windows, I couldnt keep the machine from crashing long enough to download drivers/service packs |
| 23:06:52 | treke|home | the same machine was running perfectly well in Linux. and the setup would take maybe 2 hours |
| 23:06:54 | roge99_laptop | warmi: i dont know about that ... i just picked up an Radion 7500 and quake 3 screams |
| 23:07:03 | treke|home | unless I used debian |
| 23:07:06 | HermosaGuy | TTFM |
| 23:07:13 | HermosaGuy | Audios |
| 23:07:17 | treke|home | then it takes me a week or two to set up a machine :) |
| 23:07:42 | warmi | roge99 it is not even taht ... just that 99% of the game doesn't even run on the Linux |
| 23:07:51 | roge99_laptop | well thats true |
| 23:08:05 | warmi | if I want to play .. I like to be able to just pop CD in, click install and play . and Windows provides me with taht |
| 23:08:06 | treke|home | good thing 98% of the games suck |
| 23:08:08 | roge99_laptop | but the ones that are written for it work well ... for the most part |
| 23:08:25 | treke|home | its that 1% thats missing that hurts |
| 23:08:34 | warmi | hehe |
| 23:08:39 | Rascal | did you see winex runs DX8.1 beautifully |
| 23:08:48 | whardier | neat |
| 23:08:48 | Wintre | treke|home: ^shr00g^ I once tried to install N on a machine with a particular revision of Intel EEPro, and the installation kept bluescreening |
| 23:08:49 | whardier | really! |
| 23:09:03 | Wintre | Because the driver on the install CD was incompatible with that revision of the card |
| 23:09:18 | Wintre | You can always find some combination of hardware which is screwed in some OS |
| 23:09:42 | treke|home | Wintre: Except it was all mainstream hardware. a 3com nic. Nvidia video card. Sound blaster live. |
| 23:09:46 | Wintre | Fact remains that Linux offers a gigantically larger combination of versions of *everything* than Windows, and all of those impact things like hardware-accelerated GL |
| 23:09:56 | Wintre | treke: None of this stuff was exotic either |
| 23:09:58 | Rascal | how many ppl here use openZaurus? |
| 23:10:08 | warmi | treke: seriously, if you could not keep Win 2000 running then obviously you had some sort of hardware/driver issue |
| 23:10:16 | Wintre | treke: One or two examples are not enough to invalidate my position |
| 23:10:52 | treke|home | warmi: Beats me. I'm using the same machine two years later, except for a new video card. |
| 23:11:01 | warmi | Rascal most people use it on and off ,testing it and waiting for consumer ready release |
| 23:11:06 | treke|home | Actually 98 worked fairlu well with the hardware also |
| 23:11:41 | roge99_laptop | Ive been using OZ steady since it came out ..... |
| 23:12:34 | warmi | to tell you the truth folks .. I found Windows 2000 to be the best OS so far for general desktop usage |
| 23:12:53 | roge99_laptop | warmi: ewwwww |
| 23:12:57 | warmi | there are some problems here and there but , overall, it is quite stable |
| 23:13:08 | Wintre | 2k approaches Unix in terms of usability and stability |
| 23:13:38 | warmi | well, it works |
| 23:13:39 | roge99_laptop | i havent used windows for a desktop .... well i dont remember ... |
| 23:13:50 | roge99_laptop | its been a loooooong time |
| 23:13:57 | warmi | I had IE bring down my desktop (o rather starve it to death) couple of times |
| 23:14:05 | warmi | but , for the most part, it works well |
| 23:14:23 | warmi | my doual bot machine .. on the Linux side has some problems as well |
| 23:14:29 | roge99_laptop | is away: ... grillen a steak |
| 23:14:30 | Wintre | It's probably worth noting (at the risk of starting a dicksize war) that I've been using Linux since 1994, in various capacities |
| 23:14:43 | warmi | X will sometimes freeze hard .. can't even telnet in to fix it |
| 23:14:48 | Wintre | So it's not a matter of being too much a newbie to make Q3A work |
| 23:15:17 | applehead | where can i find the extra fonts i need in order to make opie-rotation to work? |
| 23:15:21 | warmi | Wintre ... 1994 ha ? |
| 23:15:35 | warmi | I started in 1996 |
| 23:15:47 | warmi | I think it was 1996 |
| 23:15:52 | warmi | Redhat 4.2 I believe |
| 23:16:02 | roge99_laptop | i started 95'ish |
| 23:16:16 | warmi | just before they made that huge switch to glibc |
| 23:16:45 | Wintre | Slackware 1.2 |
| 23:17:11 | ljp | applehead: you need two packages: rotation and qt embedded rotation or something |
| 23:17:18 | roge99_laptop | i dont rember wich verson of slackware |
| 23:17:24 | Wintre | Anyway, I mention it simply as evidence that I've actually considered my position a bit |
| 23:17:40 | roge99_laptop | i just remember dl'ing the floppy diskset images |
| 23:17:41 | warmi | Wintre do you still run Linux ? |
| 23:17:47 | Wintre | Yes. |
| 23:18:06 | warmi | why ? as a development machine ? |
| 23:18:13 | warmi | or just as a general dekstop machine |
| 23:18:14 | warmi | ? |
| 23:18:15 | Wintre | Hm? No, on my desktop |
| 23:18:17 | applehead | ljp: thanks, im trying to find it, i have opie-rotation so far |
| 23:18:27 | warmi | ah ok |
| 23:18:36 | Wintre | Windows is for playing games and using Office. Since I have no need for Office, I use it for playing games :) |
| 23:18:49 | Wintre | I hate Windows in lots of ways... The death of a thousand irritations |
| 23:19:29 | darienm | applehead: http://opie.handhelds.org/feed/ipaq/opie-rotation_1.5.0-20020515_arm.ipk |
| 23:19:32 | Wintre | Besides, I'm a sysadmin. It only makes sense to use Linux on the deskopt as well |
| 23:19:40 | warmi | I absolutely love Linux for its server side .. |
| 23:19:40 | darienm | applehead: http://opie.handhelds.org/feed/ipaq/qt-embedded-rotation_2.3.2-4_arm.ipk |
| 23:19:42 | Wintre | And on my Z ;) |
| 23:19:54 | warmi | I run it as my www/mail/ftp/nat server |
| 23:19:57 | warmi | perfect for that |
| 23:20:00 | applehead | warmi: thankyou |
| 23:20:14 | warmi | applehead you mean darienm |
| 23:20:20 | applehead | darienm: thankyou, oops |
| 23:30:14 | codemnky | yoyo |
| 23:37:02 | whardier | *yawN* |
| 23:38:19 | ljp | sssshhhhhhhhhh |
| 23:38:52 | applehead | is there a way to make opera run in full screen mode on the Z? |
| 23:39:06 | ljp | no |
| 23:39:20 | applehead | :( |
| 23:40:27 | ACEDOG_main | well, since things are a bit quiet, here's a question about the security probs. I saw a post on zauruszone about adding entries to inetd.conf to disable the ports 4242, 4243, and 4992. However, it doesn't look like qpe runs from inetd. Is there a problem having it run from inetd? |
| 23:41:11 | ACEDOG_main | I made the changes, HUPed inetd, but can still ftp to the z. |
| 23:42:25 | ljp | ftp is internale to qpe |
| 23:43:45 | whardier | which is poopy |
| 23:43:49 | whardier | you wanna disable it.. use iptables :) |
| 23:44:25 | roge99_Z | ljp if you started somthig before qpe and bound to those ports would qpe still run ? |
| 23:44:26 | ACEDOG_main | so there's no quick fix other than removing the z from the network. It would seem simple to add an access file for qpe (sort of like tcpwrappers). |
| 23:45:02 | roge99_Z | or would it hang unti it got those ports |
| 23:45:04 | ljp | it might.. I dont see why that should cause a crash |
| 23:45:48 | ACEDOG_main | is there no firewalling code in the kernel? |
| 23:46:28 | ljp | no |
| 23:46:31 | ACEDOG_main | it'd be great to use iptables |
| 23:46:35 | roge99_Z | i didnt think that they had compiled it in |
| 23:46:35 | ACEDOG_main | hmm... |
| 23:46:36 | ljp | too big |
| 23:47:43 | ACEDOG_main | I guess they'll have to allow passwords for the root account. That can't be too big. |
| 23:48:24 | roge99_Z | done grillen time to eat! |
| 23:48:30 | roge99_Z | bbiab |
| 23:48:56 | ACEDOG_main | I would think a simple key exchange kind of auth would work ok. |
| 23:50:26 | ACEDOG_main | Maybe the first time the Z and PC communicate, they each know a secret word, then after that, all auth would be done with keys. |
| 23:51:21 | ACEDOG_main | Or, during the first connection, have the Z ask if the connection should be allowed. |
