| 00:01:35 | Cloudchaser | bleh |
| 00:01:51 | Cloudchaser | i set samba to start when z restarts and for some reason it isnt |
| 00:02:55 | djax | Cloudchaser: Do you use the linux sync? |
| 00:03:13 | Cloudchaser | sometimes |
| 00:03:25 | djax | How do i sync? |
| 00:03:28 | djax | First use |
| 00:03:36 | Cloudchaser | did you read the instructions? |
| 00:03:39 | djax | Settiings |
| 00:03:40 | Cloudchaser | the how to? |
| 00:03:49 | djax | Which howto? |
| 00:04:10 | djax | mom |
| 00:04:11 | Cloudchaser | on that link i posted above |
| 00:04:26 | Cloudchaser | synching/ linux on the left |
| 00:05:27 | djax | Cloudchaser: There was a howto for installing |
| 00:05:30 | djax | I read it |
| 00:07:31 | Cloudchaser | settings you use usb, but to set that up you have to read the usb one |
| 00:07:45 | Cloudchaser | ethernet over USB |
| 00:08:12 | Cloudchaser | i use wireless so i didn't have to do that part |
| 00:08:32 | djax | i can ping the zaurus |
| 00:08:37 | djax | network is up |
| 00:08:46 | djax | like it stands in the howto |
| 00:09:23 | Cloudchaser | ok so what is the issue? |
| 00:10:21 | Cloudchaser | hiya codemnky |
| 00:10:21 | djax | How do i sync? |
| 00:10:38 | codemnky | yo |
| 00:10:47 | codemnky | find a vulcan |
| 00:10:48 | Cloudchaser | hit the synch all button |
| 00:10:53 | codemnky | place hand on head |
| 00:11:35 | djax | hmm |
| 00:12:40 | djax | mom |
| 00:12:51 | Cloudchaser | mom? |
| 00:12:56 | codemnky | yes dear |
| 00:13:04 | Cloudchaser | heheh. |
| 00:13:14 | Cloudchaser | he kept saying "mom" |
| 00:13:22 | codemnky | maybe he's a robot |
| 00:14:01 | codemnky | ibot help |
| 00:14:11 | Cloudchaser | hey codemnky got a minute? |
| 00:14:23 | codemnky | what's up |
| 00:14:40 | Cloudchaser | i set samba to start when i reboot z |
| 00:14:43 | Cloudchaser | but it wont |
| 00:15:07 | codemnky | how are you setting it to start? |
| 00:15:17 | Cloudchaser | i put /etc/init.d/samba start into rc.local |
| 00:15:31 | codemnky | are you sure rc.local is being ran? |
| 00:15:45 | Cloudchaser | and one other thing |
| 00:15:54 | Cloudchaser | sec while i try to remember |
| 00:15:56 | codemnky | is anything else in rc.local? |
| 00:16:04 | Cloudchaser | yes swapon statement |
| 00:17:02 | Cloudchaser | i did this: |
| 00:17:11 | Cloudchaser | in etc/rc.d/rc5.d |
| 00:17:25 | Twiun | Goodnight! |
| 00:17:29 | Twiun | waves |
| 00:17:30 | Cloudchaser | ln -s ../rc.local S49local |
| 00:17:35 | Cloudchaser | gnight twiun! |
| 00:17:42 | Cloudchaser | hope your GF is better soon! |
| 00:17:46 | Cloudchaser | safe trip to you! |
| 00:18:13 | Cloudchaser | thats supposed to make that run on reboot |
| 00:18:36 | djax | No |
| 00:18:52 | Cloudchaser | and swap is working trhough reboot |
| 00:18:57 | djax | i dont understand... sometimes i can ping the zaurus and sometimes not... |
| 00:19:19 | codemnky | i would prob put something like 'echo "ok" > /tmp/test.log' in rc.local to make sure it's running |
| 00:19:40 | codemnky | if you run samba by hand does it work right? |
| 00:20:21 | djax | codemnky: me? |
| 00:20:42 | Cloudchaser | yes |
| 00:20:53 | Cloudchaser | and it has worked on reboot before |
| 00:21:18 | djax | Cloudchaser: it worked till i take the zaurus out of the dockingstation |
| 00:21:21 | Cloudchaser | hmm..gonna reboot and see if it does this time |
| 00:21:37 | djax | i dont use samba for this |
| 00:21:39 | Cloudchaser | does it work when you put it back in docking station? |
| 00:21:48 | Cloudchaser | the samba thing is an issue i'm having |
| 00:22:10 | djax | Cloudchaser: the prob is that the usb module is only loaded when the zaurus is in the dockingstation |
| 00:22:35 | Cloudchaser | why is that a problem? you can only synch over usb when its in the docking station |
| 00:22:55 | djax | yes |
| 00:23:08 | djax | but before i take it out of it it worked |
| 00:23:14 | djax | after i put it in not |
| 00:23:49 | Cloudchaser | maybe you need that hotplug thing |
| 00:24:03 | Cloudchaser | honestly i'm not sure cause i don't use usb in linux |
| 00:24:07 | Cloudchaser | i use wireless |
| 00:24:15 | ljp_mobile | cause your cool |
| 00:24:21 | djax | ;) |
| 00:24:29 | Cloudchaser | also did you do the modules thingy? |
| 00:24:36 | Cloudchaser | hehe that's right ljp |
| 00:24:36 | ljp_mobile | I use usb to sync and ftp to my z |
| 00:24:54 | Cloudchaser | i like samba ;) |
| 00:25:36 | Cloudchaser | ok that time samba started on reboot |
| 00:25:38 | Cloudchaser | wierd |
| 00:25:40 | ljp_mobile | doing the samba? |
| 00:25:43 | Cloudchaser | zquirky |
| 00:25:54 | Cloudchaser | does the samba |
| 00:25:55 | ljp_mobile | or listening to samba |
| 00:25:58 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
| 00:26:16 | Cloudchaser | oki i'm all set codemnky |
| 00:27:36 | codemnky | i'm back phone rang |
| 00:27:44 | codemnky | it's fixed? |
| 00:28:07 | Cloudchaser | yep |
| 00:28:11 | Cloudchaser | worked on reboot this time |
| 00:28:17 | Cloudchaser | must be another zquirk |
| 00:28:30 | codemnky | maybe you have SAMBA_FLAKY=1 set |
| 00:28:35 | Cloudchaser | lol] |
| 00:28:38 | Cloudchaser | yeah |
| 00:28:45 | codemnky | ;) |
| 00:29:02 | codemnky | hey ljp_moblie |
| 00:29:58 | ljp_mobile | HI! |
| 00:30:02 | codemnky | talk to me about the 'mobile' part |
| 00:30:07 | ljp_mobile | lappie |
| 00:30:12 | codemnky | what's that? |
| 00:30:15 | ljp_mobile | laptop |
| 00:30:26 | codemnky | oh i was thinking moblie Z |
| 00:30:27 | ljp_mobile | toshiba satellite 1605 |
| 00:30:33 | ljp_mobile | ahh.. heh no |
| 00:30:46 | ljp_mobile | I couldnt tpoe this fast if I was |
| 00:30:50 | ljp_mobile | type |
| 00:30:53 | ljp_mobile | heh |
| 00:30:59 | codemnky | of course it would be funny to sit here on irc with the Z |
| 00:31:02 | codemnky | what was i thinking |
| 00:31:15 | ljp_mobile | hard to read and type, I'd think |
| 00:31:25 | Cloudchaser | irc's not so bad on z |
| 00:31:30 | codemnky | yea i want to get my Z moblie badly |
| 00:31:34 | Cloudchaser | just responding that's bad |
| 00:31:39 | ljp_mobile | hehe |
| 00:31:40 | Cloudchaser | hard to type on z |
| 00:31:55 | ljp_mobile | thats why it needs voice recognition |
| 00:32:07 | Cloudchaser | that would be awesome |
| 00:32:08 | ljp_mobile | heh and a mic |
| 00:32:11 | codemnky | i have a cable that goes from my cell phone to a serial connection (female) |
| 00:32:33 | ljp_mobile | expensive |
| 00:32:48 | codemnky | it was $25 bucks |
| 00:33:04 | ljp_mobile | for the cel phone call ;) |
| 00:33:08 | codemnky | oh |
| 00:33:14 | djax | Cloudchaser: so i can ping |
| 00:33:35 | codemnky | well, i would only use it in emergencies and to impress my frineds |
| 00:34:10 | djax | You sayd sync all, where is that? |
| 00:35:09 | Cloudchaser | hang on i have to boot into linux.. but it should be at top |
| 00:35:21 | djax | ah there |
| 00:35:29 | djax | i have it |
| 00:35:41 | jbwiv | hey guys. Are there any documents out there describing how to lock down your Z? In other words, how to cause the built-in ftp server to examine /etc/passwd for root logins and etc.? |
| 00:36:29 | codemnky | you could disable the built in ftp server and add your own if it's not possible |
| 00:37:04 | codemnky | who made the built in ftp server? |
| 00:39:22 | jbwiv | codemnky: not sure...I think trolltech. Think it's a part of Qtopia and is used by the qtopia desktop software to sync. It just doesn't care if a passwd has been set for root, which is pretty disturbing, especially if your Z is connected to the 'net |
| 00:39:25 | mtm | codemnky: it's a core part of qtopia |
| 00:39:57 | ][N-Flux | anyone used romburst? |
| 00:39:59 | mtm | last time I looked at the code, it explicitly ignores any passwords |
| 00:40:12 | mtm | the functionality is tehre, but it was commented out |
| 00:40:23 | codemnky | ignores any passwords ? for ftp only? |
| 00:40:27 | mtm | yeah |
| 00:40:36 | codemnky | weird |
| 00:40:44 | codemnky | or lazy |
| 00:40:45 | ljp_mobile | ya there's no real way of disabling the ftp server.. in sharps rom |
| 00:41:02 | codemnky | why not? |
| 00:41:03 | mtm | codemnky: yeah, more the latter I think |
| 00:41:13 | mtm | it was easier than having all the consumers deal with setting passwords and stuff |
| 00:41:22 | ljp_mobile | the server is built in to qpe |
| 00:41:27 | codemnky | sync works over ftp right? |
| 00:41:31 | mtm | yeah |
| 00:41:34 | codemnky | ah ha |
| 00:41:36 | jbwiv | mtm: so I can't disable it, and I can't lock it down? |
| 00:41:43 | jbwiv | that sucks, IMO |
| 00:41:44 | djax | QDir::readDirEntries: Cannot read the directory: /home/djax/.palmtopcenter/Documents |
| 00:41:49 | djax | ah |
| 00:41:52 | mtm | ljp_mobile: I guess if the kernel supports firewall stuff, you could just block the port |
| 00:41:55 | ljp_mobile | change your ip |
| 00:41:56 | mtm | but I've never tried that |
| 00:42:01 | jbwiv | djax: just create that dir |
| 00:42:04 | djax | Jo |
| 00:42:06 | mtm | and no, you can't disable it without recompiling qtopia |
| 00:42:10 | djax | ^ah |
| 00:42:16 | ljp_mobile | yes, but the kernel on sharp doesnt do iptables |
| 00:42:31 | jmhodges | whats the ipk name for the opie ogg plugin? |
| 00:42:33 | mtm | ljp_mobile: ok, that's what I wasn't sure of |
| 00:42:37 | codemnky | ipnightstands |
| 00:42:40 | ljp_mobile | you can install openzaurus and shut it off to acceptance |
| 00:43:07 | codemnky | how the lastest open Z going? |
| 00:43:22 | codemnky | does it have the backup utils in it like sharp rom? |
| 00:43:40 | ljp_mobile | dunno.. you could flash the last initrd.bin and then upgrade from the feed |
| 00:43:49 | jbwiv | mtm: ok, on to my next question... what's the best size of CF card to get for flashing kernels and general dev use? I don't really want to purchase it for long term storage, because I'll soon get an ethernet card and need that slot, so SD is the better option. However, you have to have CF to flash, right? So what's the least size I can get by with? |
| 00:43:56 | ljp_mobile | yes, I think opie has a backup thingy |
| 00:44:13 | mtm | I think least size is 32MB |
| 00:44:20 | mtm | but I'm not positive |
| 00:44:36 | mtm | and you'll find that a bigger card, like 64 or 128 is not a whole lot more expensive nowadays |
| 00:44:46 | jbwiv | cool. Any recommended/stay-away-from brands? |
| 00:44:47 | mtm | so you might just want to get one of those to be safe |
| 00:44:56 | jbwiv | mtm: probably go for 64 |
| 00:44:59 | mtm | jbwiv: not that I know of |
| 00:45:03 | codemnky | i got a 64 i get alot of use from |
| 00:45:12 | Cloudchaser | anyone ever order from newegg.com? |
| 00:45:13 | jbwiv | codemnky: what brand? |
| 00:45:17 | codemnky | it will also hold a few tunes |
| 00:45:17 | mtm | I got a kingston 256 back in noveer |
| 00:45:21 | mtm | oops |
| 00:45:23 | mtm | november |
| 00:45:29 | mtm | and it has worked great for me |
| 00:45:40 | ljp_mobile | minimum to flash oz would be 16 mb cf card.. but for sharp it would be 32 |
| 00:45:56 | jbwiv | ljp_mobile: cool, thanks |
| 00:45:56 | codemnky | this is by DANE-ELEC i got it from a cuban on the street corner of miami |
| 00:45:57 | codemnky | :) |
| 00:46:09 | jbwiv | lol |
| 00:46:20 | codemnky | i heard sandisk is good too |
| 00:46:25 | mtm | FWIW, I think the next ROM is going to let you flash through USB/cradle |
| 00:46:37 | jbwiv | yeah, but seeming higher priced... |
| 00:46:45 | jbwiv | mtm: really? hmmm.... |
| 00:46:45 | codemnky | it did scare me at first, i had to format it |
| 00:46:46 | mtm | Jason said something to that effect, so you won't even need the CF for flashing for much longer |
| 00:47:02 | codemnky | i thought i could just pop it in and it would work |
| 00:47:21 | codemnky | i use the sd for flashing |
| 00:47:33 | | bigboss is the president of TheKompany |
| 00:47:33 | treke | ibot: bigboss |
| 00:47:33 | jbwiv | that would be nice. any idea how soon that may be? And does anyone know if there're plans to let OZ be flashed with USB? |
| 00:47:49 | codemnky | i use the SD for file storage, flashing, etc and the CF for music and eth cards |
| 00:48:03 | jbwiv | codemnky: really? thought I saw on the unofficial faq that it had to be CF...not SD |
| 00:48:25 | codemnky | hmm |
| 00:48:32 | codemnky | maybe i'm confussed then |
| 00:48:54 | jbwiv | lol...I know how you feel |
| 00:49:03 | codemnky | sorry about that, i think i do use a 32 CF for flashing |
| 00:49:05 | codemnky | i was confussed |
| 00:49:09 | jmhodges | growls at opie media player.. |
| 00:49:12 | jbwiv | np ;-) |
| 00:49:18 | jmhodges | wants his oggs played! |
| 00:49:52 | codemnky | it usually best to just do the oppisit of what i say sometimes |
| 00:49:56 | ][N-Flux | get's to ripping apart the 1.12 rom |
| 00:50:12 | Cloudchaser | the windows release of 2.37 rom doesn't require CF |
| 00:50:18 | djax | When i want to install a package i have to put it in ~/.palmtopcenter/packageinstaller? |
| 00:50:24 | Cloudchaser | was releasd onday |
| 00:50:51 | jbwiv | Cloudchaser: what about a linux version? |
| 00:51:16 | Cloudchaser | there's a file posted for that |
| 00:51:24 | Cloudchaser | its not automated |
| 00:52:08 | Cloudchaser | i think that one you need CF for but not positive |
| 00:54:59 | jmhodges | anybody an oz user? |
| 00:55:14 | ljp_mobile | is |
| 00:55:22 | jbwiv | d$#n it...VNC keeps freezing my desktop machine....this is getting frustrating. |
| 00:55:39 | ljp_mobile | ahh.. I use vnc from Intel |
| 00:56:20 | jbwiv | anyone out there using VNC to control your Z, could you please let me know your version of the server (on the Z), the client (on your Desktop), and if you've ever had the machine freeze as a result of running it? thx |
| 00:56:41 | jmhodges | ljp_mobile: am i an idiot? i cant seem to find an oggplayer/plugin for opie media player? |
| 00:57:02 | jbwiv | ljp_mobile: vnc from intel? hmm? |
| 00:57:16 | ljp_mobile | ya its free, with source, I think |
| 00:57:36 | djax | jbwiv: Where do i put the packagefiles which i want to install over sync on the zaurus? |
| 00:58:40 | jbwiv | djax: anywhere...just upload them to your documents tab (there's an upload button on the desktop documents page) |
| 00:58:53 | jmhodges | ljp_mobile: so im an idiot? |
| 00:58:55 | jbwiv | ljp_mobile: any lock ups? |
| 00:59:47 | jbwiv | and to anyone...is the fbvncserver the most commonly used Z server, or is it a fringe app? I'm wondering how in the hell this keeps freezing my desktop mach...I mean, it's a total freeze...no just X. can't do squat except reboot |
| 01:00:13 | Cloudchaser | i use vnc..never had it freeze me |
| 01:00:50 | jbwiv | Cloudchaser: which vnc server and which client, if you don't mind me asking? |
| 01:01:32 | Cloudchaser | one sec phone here |
| 01:02:08 | jbwiv | sure |
| 01:02:23 | djax | jbwiv: System said by uploading: File not found. CHeck path or filename |
| 01:02:42 | Cloudchaser | i use VNCviewer from http://www.ukresearch.att.com/vnc |
| 01:03:00 | Cloudchaser | and fnb vnc server from killefiz |
| 01:03:19 | Cloudchaser | (for on the z) |
| 01:03:29 | Cloudchaser | VNCviewer for windows |
| 01:03:50 | Cloudchaser | in linux...i can't remember but i can look, |
| 01:03:56 | jbwiv | crap...that's the one I'm using |
| 01:03:56 | djax | jbwiv: works |
| 01:04:02 | jbwiv | djax: good! |
| 01:04:04 | Cloudchaser | just downloaded one that had an rpm for redhat |
| 01:04:30 | djax | Now its in Documents |
| 01:04:33 | jbwiv | don't worry about it...but I've got to figure out what the hell is going on here. |
| 01:04:42 | jbwiv | djax: now just click on it |
| 01:04:46 | djax | k |
| 01:05:00 | djax | Properties? |
| 01:05:09 | ljp_mobile | ya maybe that it ATT |
| 01:05:42 | Cloudchaser | you have to reboot z after installing vnc server |
| 01:05:49 | Cloudchaser | and calibrate the touchscreen |
| 01:05:54 | jbwiv | ljp_mobile: what? |
| 01:06:19 | ljp_mobile | I use the ATT vnc |
| 01:06:49 | jbwiv | Cloudchaser: yeah, I've rebooted. I actually used it for about 15 minutes earlier and it worked perfectly. Then closed it....restarted it about 20 minutes later, and you know the rest....total freeze. |
| 01:06:51 | jmhodges | argh |
| 01:06:52 | djax | jbwiv: Click on it and what? |
| 01:07:13 | Cloudchaser | you doing it over usb? |
| 01:07:26 | djax | ah |
| 01:07:32 | djax | On zaurus |
| 01:07:41 | djax | thought at the syncprog |
| 01:08:11 | jbwiv | Cloudchaser: yeah...ethernet over usb using usbdnet.o |
| 01:08:31 | jbwiv | djax: yeah...on the Z |
| 01:08:34 | jbwiv | ;-) |
| 01:08:44 | jmhodges | ok fine. |
| 01:08:47 | jmhodges | no ogg cool |
| 01:09:08 | djax | jbwiv: Thx |
| 01:09:12 | jbwiv | If I could just log what was happening somehow. Kinda hard to debug when your whole friggin' system locks up ;-) |
| 01:09:15 | jbwiv | djax: np! |
| 01:09:37 | Cloudchaser | i read something today about certain mother boards and usb problems |
| 01:09:40 | Cloudchaser | trying to find it now |
| 01:09:56 | Cloudchaser | http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/invboard/index.php?act=ST&f=7&t=2004&s=41be6e6e68baadd23dc3d34746cf35f7 |
| 01:10:09 | jbwiv | Cloudchaser: cool....although, it seems to work fine when not using VNC. I can surf, ssh, etc. just fine. It's just VNC. |
| 01:10:21 | Cloudchaser | oh |
| 01:10:22 | Cloudchaser | hmm |
| 01:11:29 | Cloudchaser | The answer is that somehow there were 2 UHCI drivers compiled in the kernel. |
| 01:11:29 | Cloudchaser | The problem was solved when I reconfigured the kernel to not use the |
| 01:11:29 | Cloudchaser | "alternate" driver. |
| 01:11:36 | Cloudchaser | that was one thing too i saw |
| 01:11:49 | BZFlag | http://babelfish.altavista.com/urltrurl?tt=url&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.zdnet.co.jp%2Fmobile%2F0207%2F10%2Fn_linzau.html&lp=ja_en&doit=done&urltext |
| 01:11:58 | jbwiv | Cloudchaser: yeah...that deals with the whole 2 UHCI driver problem. I've already fought that battle and won ;-). Thx though |
| 01:12:08 | BZFlag | http://www.zdnet.co.jp/mobile/0207/10/n_linzau.html <- in japanese |
| 01:13:50 | scanline | is back (gone 01:28:58) |
| 01:15:18 | ljp_mobile | I bet thats because of the sd/resume corruption bug |
| 01:18:25 | HrAbbey | Maybe. But also the rest of the Sware too I'm guessing. Large SD cards, debugging Zaurus shot, etc. |
| 01:19:16 | HrAbbey | I wonder how BZflag noticed this... |
| 01:22:27 | jmhodges | :( silly media player .. |
| 01:23:21 | VerxHome | tries real hard not to make a comment to honeypea |
| 01:23:38 | jbwiv | anyone been able to get syslog to log anything on the SL 5500? I can start it up, but nothing is ever output in messages no matter how long it runs....... |
| 01:24:01 | HrAbbey | jbwiv: did you adjust the config file /etc/...? |
| 01:24:03 | ljp_mobile | VerxHome: that would not be proper ;) |
| 01:26:00 | jbwiv | HrAbbey: good point. something looks very screwey with my config file ;-( |
| 01:28:39 | jbwiv | HrAbbey: that did the trick. thanks ;) |
| 01:28:39 | tux_mike | http://www.floridatoday.com/!NEWSROOM/localstoryA23930A.htm all i gotta say is holy shit. |
| 01:30:58 | VerxHome | laughs |
| 01:32:43 | jbwiv | tux_mike: did you know any of them? |
| 01:33:27 | tux_mike | no |
| 01:33:43 | tux_mike | i just found this from fark, but i mean... daumn... |
| 01:34:16 | jbwiv | yeah...quite a sad mess. |
| 01:38:09 | VerxHome | gives up and leaves it at that |
| 01:40:59 | jmhodges | Cheney is being SUED? wtf is wrong with our newspapers! |
| 01:43:13 | ljp_mobile | jmhodges: you like Cheney? |
| 01:43:42 | jmhodges | no! |
| 01:43:50 | jmhodges | jesus.. im wondering why it wasnt in my newspaper! |
| 01:43:51 | jmhodges | im pissed |
| 01:45:08 | ljp_mobile | aahhhh |
| 01:45:23 | jmhodges | yep |
| 01:45:27 | jmhodges | thinks hes lagging bad |
| 01:45:37 | ljp_mobile | its really funny because king george is calling for ethics in corporations |
| 01:45:51 | jmhodges | lol |
| 01:46:19 | ljp_mobile | and his is the biggest corporate administration ever |
| 01:46:41 | ljp_mobile | scandels are fun |
| 01:46:49 | jmhodges | i just saw last nights Daily Show and about crapped my pants on Jon's take on Bushs speech about it.. esp the new ideas he wants impletmented |
| 01:47:04 | jbwiv | politics!=ethics |
| 01:47:09 | jbwiv | ever |
| 01:47:15 | jmhodges | ljp_mobile: yeah but the public in general only cares for ones that involve 'sex', 'cigar' and 'intern' |
| 01:47:16 | jmhodges | :( |
| 01:47:26 | jmhodges | make that and/or |
| 01:47:45 | ljp_mobile | but thats almost like Clinton calling for higher morals |
| 01:47:52 | jmhodges | hehehe |
| 01:48:00 | jbwiv | ethics represent a direct contradiction to successful politicking...by nature |
| 01:48:08 | jmhodges | jbwiv: i dont think so |
| 01:48:17 | jmhodges | but im an idealist |
| 01:48:24 | jbwiv | jmhodges: must be...or naive |
| 01:48:25 | jbwiv | ;-) |
| 01:48:26 | ljp_mobile | hehe |
| 01:49:04 | jbwiv | possibly idealism==naivety ? ;-) |
| 01:52:19 | jmhodges_ | dammit |
| 01:52:21 | jmhodges_ | i got this |
| 01:52:23 | jmhodges_ | <jbwiv> ;-) |
| 01:52:27 | jmhodges_ | <ljp_mobile> hehe |
| 01:52:29 | jmhodges_ | before disconnecting i think |
| 01:52:51 | ljp_mobile | didnt miss anything |
| 01:53:29 | jmhodges | cool |
| 01:53:39 | jmhodges | well i said some stuff.. then got no response |
| 01:53:41 | jmhodges | i got worried |
| 01:53:49 | jmhodges | :) checked a whois and whoops.. no server |
| 01:54:00 | jmhodges | im actually wondering if i want to go into politics.. but then i remember a) i love physics and b) im not rich |
| 01:54:06 | jmhodges | unless i went Green |
| 01:54:13 | jmhodges | then i would be normal |
| 01:54:18 | jmhodges | :) |
| 01:54:29 | jbwiv | jmhodges: and it sounds as if you're not an asshole, so you've got a large barrier to entry there |
| 01:54:30 | jmhodges | probably would go green anyways |
| 01:54:46 | jbwiv | but I'm not bitter |
| 01:54:48 | jbwiv | ;) |
| 01:54:56 | jmhodges | lol |
| 01:57:35 | Cam | anyone here able to talk about using Qt? |
| 01:58:36 | ljp_mobile | sure.. using or developing? |
| 01:58:42 | Cam | developing |
| 01:58:49 | ljp_mobile | ya |
| 01:59:01 | Cam | I want to finish off my contest entry, now that I have a little time to do the work |
| 01:59:15 | ljp_mobile | ahh ok |
| 01:59:42 | Cam | I started the GUI using designer, then got 90% of the way and hacked the rest of the way just changing the generated sources |
| 02:00:25 | Cam | so... what is the proper way to do it, do you have to subclass every Qt object you want to use, and add your slots into those objects? |
| 02:00:31 | VerxHome | ducks |
| 02:00:55 | VerxHome | Cam: Which program was yours? |
| 02:00:56 | Guest | hi |
| 02:01:03 | Cam | I did Powerchord |
| 02:01:15 | VerxHome | Cam: oh, cool |
| 02:01:20 | Cam | thanks VerxHome |
| 02:01:28 | Cam | but, it' |
| 02:01:42 | Cam | it's not finished, I'd like to rewrite it properly |
| 02:01:44 | ljp_mobile | I only subclass when I need to add some functionalty thats not there |
| 02:02:29 | Cam | ljp_mobile - would that functionality include any slots? Is there another way to add slots to existing stuff without subclassing? |
| 02:02:48 | ljp_mobile | I usually get the general layout done in designer, and then ditch the ui file |
| 02:03:14 | ljp_mobile | you mean add signals? |
| 02:04:41 | Cam | I was thinking of general behaviour, say you have a bunch of widgets that have to affect each other, but above the level of the standard signals |
| 02:05:05 | warmi | re |
| 02:05:21 | jmhodges | wb warmi |
| 02:05:59 | ljp_mobile | ya, if you want to add stuff thats not standard, you'd have to subclass into your own |
| 02:06:26 | noda | Right! I can't help myself any longer - I'm gonna find and buy a wireless CF card (and a wireless PCI card) |
| 02:06:32 | Cam | It must be me, I just have trouble following the TT tutorials |
| 02:06:50 | noda | Any recommendations for either, and any places to buy them that ship to Canada (or are *in* Canada...) |
| 02:06:53 | noda | ? |
| 02:06:56 | Cam | noda what's the cheapest you can find? |
| 02:07:26 | noda | Er... I haven't really looked. All I can find is in the US, around $110 for a linksys WCF11. Shipping to Canada costs quite a bit though, as does customs... |
| 02:08:54 | Cam | I'd love an access point to put onto my DSL modem, and a CF/PCMCIA card to share with the Z and teh laptop |
| 02:09:07 | Cam | but they are currently too expensive |
| 02:09:13 | noda | You don't need an access point... |
| 02:09:30 | noda | Just a PCI card on a Linux box (or Windows too, I guess, but it'd be harder) |
| 02:09:51 | Cam | I'm not willing to use my PC as an access point, I don't have room for it |
| 02:10:09 | noda | Ooh, there's a WCF11 at Fry's for $99 (US, plus shipping and customs... still pretty bad...) |
| 02:10:42 | Cam | I'd want the socket low power one I think. If you're going to pay you might as well get the best one for a few $ more |
| 02:11:04 | noda | socket low power? |
| 02:11:13 | jbwiv | anyone know of a good PCMCIA-TO-CF adaptor? |
| 02:12:20 | HrAbbey | you mean the cheap $12 ones that allow cf cards to be used in PCMCIA? I didn't think there were any bad ones. |
| 02:13:15 | noda | Anybody ever use the D-link DCF-650W? |
| 02:13:31 | Cam | are these two products the same? http://www.socketcom.com/product/wlan.htm http://www.expansys.com/product.asp?code=SYM-CFLAN |
| 02:14:15 | HrAbbey | VerxHome: how do your generic kingston ones suck? Don't work?!? |
| 02:14:43 | VerxHome | HrAbbey: I did have it backwards |
| 02:14:47 | VerxHome | the ones from kingston rock |
| 02:14:50 | VerxHome | and the ones from compaq suck |
| 02:14:55 | VerxHome | let me explain why |
| 02:15:03 | VerxHome | the generic ones are FRAGILE |
| 02:15:13 | jmhodges | yow |
| 02:15:20 | VerxHome | they have these little 1/8" CF card long runners |
| 02:15:26 | VerxHome | that the card should slide down |
| 02:15:33 | VerxHome | and exposed pins for the CF card to plug into |
| 02:15:38 | jmhodges | what are these now? PCMCIA-CF or something else? |
| 02:15:39 | VerxHome | it is like an accident waiting to happen |
| 02:15:51 | VerxHome | PCMCIA cards that accept CF cards |
| 02:15:57 | HrAbbey | Type 2 CF I take it? |
| 02:15:57 | VerxHome | the reason the kingston ones rock |
| 02:16:10 | VerxHome | is they accept the card INSIDE themselves |
| 02:16:18 | VerxHome | so inserting a card is a no brainer |
| 02:16:35 | VerxHome | whereas with the generic ones, You have to hold the little arms so they don't break off (literally) |
| 02:16:42 | VerxHome | and make sure you don't bend the pins |
| 02:16:48 | jmhodges | fucking hell |
| 02:16:51 | VerxHome | I have broken the arms off of one |
| 02:16:55 | VerxHome | and bent the pins on another |
| 02:16:56 | jmhodges | thats so friggin stupid |
| 02:17:00 | VerxHome | I only use the kingston ones now |
| 02:17:15 | VerxHome | actually, they say "Viking" on them |
| 02:17:19 | Cam | but the pins/arms are on the adapter aren't they? |
| 02:17:20 | VerxHome | is that a division of kingston? |
| 02:17:25 | VerxHome | Cam: Yes |
| 02:17:42 | treke|home | Mines an antec, cheap and works well |
| 02:17:46 | VerxHome | Cam: I mean, imagine having to hold TWO little 1/8th inch arms |
| 02:17:54 | Cam | so get a cheap one and be careful? at least you're not harming your expensive CF card? |
| 02:17:58 | treke|home | Sounds like its built more like the kingstons |
| 02:18:13 | VerxHome | while you slide the CF card down, and making sure you line it up to the pins of the PCMCIA card with the holes of the CF card |
| 02:18:15 | HrAbbey | I'll definitely keep away from ones with exposed pins, but I've never had trouble with fragile arms. |
| 02:18:16 | VerxHome | it is just a pain |
| 02:18:40 | VerxHome | HrAbbey: I haven't seen tons of these, but I am sold on the ones that the CF card plugs into with minimal exposure |
| 02:18:48 | Cam | oh well I can afford plenty of adapters, it;s the access point and CF card I can't ;-) |
| 02:18:51 | treke|home | Cam: Plus its 13 bucks at the local compusa :) |
| 02:18:53 | VerxHome | let me try to explain how this works |
| 02:19:02 | HrAbbey | Both of mine had rails to guide the card in, and they work great. |
| 02:19:17 | VerxHome | if I take the cf card and set the end of it on the 1/4" exposed part of this pcmcia card |
| 02:19:24 | treke|home | Kingston is 10 bucks |
| 02:19:28 | VerxHome | I can SHOVE it into the card with 100% chance of it working perfect |
| 02:19:43 | VerxHome | it takes me literally less than one second to insert the card |
| 02:19:45 | HrAbbey | Even if it's upside down? ;) |
| 02:19:48 | VerxHome | and I never worry about hurting anything |
| 02:19:53 | VerxHome | HrAbbey: Absolutely |
| 02:20:07 | VerxHome | I just did it 5 times upside down |
| 02:20:10 | VerxHome | no problem at all |
| 02:20:24 | VerxHome | I removed it, took it out to arms length from the pcmcia card |
| 02:20:25 | HrAbbey | The rails stopped it from insterting all the way I take it. |
| 02:20:28 | VerxHome | and then re-inserted it |
| 02:20:34 | VerxHome | HrAbbey: Exactly |
| 02:21:04 | Cam | wow, the bluetooth cards are cheaper.... I wonder if they will catch on? |
| 02:21:08 | HrAbbey | Those rails are definitely a required feature to me. |
| 02:21:16 | HrAbbey | How much for bluetooth? |
| 02:21:49 | noda | Cam: You really don't need an access point to connect to the 'net as long as you have a PCI card. Two computers can talk to each other through wireless... |
| 02:22:17 | Cam | noda most of the time my PC is off, or dual booted to win95 |
| 02:22:36 | noda | Cam: Ah, gotcha. |
| 02:22:54 | noda | My router's on 24/7, even on a UPS, so it'd do the job quite nicely :) |
| 02:23:03 | noda | I'd still be able to browse the 'net even on a power failure :) |
| 02:23:22 | noda | (cable modem's on the UPS too) |
| 02:23:29 | Cam | I'd rather buy an integrated ASDL modem and AP, to reduce the box count in my home office |
| 02:24:07 | noda | Hehehe, one look under my desk and you'd see that that kind of thinking never crosses my mind ;) |
| 02:24:18 | Cam | noda it would be cool to surf on the Z while the power is off... |
| 02:24:33 | Cam | you could email support at the elec company :) |
| 02:24:37 | noda | Yeah, but over here the power goes off maybe once a year :) |
| 02:24:39 | noda | lol |
| 02:24:54 | noda | Cable goes off more often because the cable company's workers are on strike and going and sabotaging the equipment :) |
| 02:25:35 | Cam | oh well I'd better get some ZZzz... |
| 02:25:40 | Cam | goodnight all |
| 02:25:44 | noda | 'night :) |
| 02:27:09 | jbwiv | I'd like to take a POLL. How many here have a least one small white spec (looks like dust) under under the screen on the Z? Thx. |
| 02:27:27 | lowkey | not i |
| 02:27:48 | noda | Ooh, I've got a tiny one way off in the corner, never noticed that. |
| 02:28:12 | noda | Oh, scratch that - it's OVER the screen, just rubbed it off |
| 02:28:15 | noda | Not I :) |
| 02:28:52 | noda | Anyone here use wireless on your Zaurus? |
| 02:28:57 | lowkey | yep |
| 02:29:05 | lowkey | can't live without it |
| 02:29:20 | noda | lowkey: What card? And if I were to get a card, should it be the same one? :) |
| 02:29:21 | iang_npa | me, neither. It's great. |
| 02:29:24 | jbwiv | i have one towards mid screen. Doesn't show up too bad except against a black/dark screen. So, it kind of bugged me. Ordered a replacement from Amazon, and it had about eight of these specs. Just wondering if they'rer commonplace. |
| 02:29:53 | lowkey | noda: linksys wfc11. overall nice. currently has issues in oz. |
| 02:30:01 | noda | What issues? |
| 02:30:03 | lowkey | noda: works great with the sharp rom. |
| 02:30:07 | lowkey | noda: no workie. |
| 02:30:14 | noda | Hehehe, oh, THOSE issues :P |
| 02:30:41 | lowkey | noda: its an unussual bug, kergoth and I have talked about it. he may have it fixed in the next version. |
| 02:30:57 | noda | If you suddenly woke up and there were no zaurus accessories but the money for them was under your pillow, would you buy the WCF11 again or go for another wireless card? |
| 02:31:16 | lowkey | noda: i hear good things about the dlink but it blocks both the stylus and the earphone plug |
| 02:31:30 | noda | Ack, dlink is out then (I use both) |
| 02:31:46 | sig | damn ROM 2.37 is out |
| 02:31:47 | lowkey | noda: the linksys blocked the stylux by 1mm or so. |
| 02:31:49 | iang_npa | really likes his Socket Low Power card: doesn't block anything, and great power consumption. But you need to hack a bit to get it to work. |
| 02:31:57 | lowkey | noda: a couple minutes with a rasp fixed that. |
| 02:31:58 | noda | lowkey: Yeah, I've heard you can file it down though :) |
| 02:32:11 | noda | iang_npa: Ooh, I don't mind hacking.... what's the range, same thing? |
| 02:32:22 | sig | lowkey: are you the dude that hangs out on #linuxhelp at chatjunkies.org? |
| 02:32:32 | lowkey | sig: could be. |
| 02:32:38 | sig | hah |
| 02:32:40 | iang_npa | I haven't had range problems. I can certainly warwalk just fine with it. |
| 02:32:54 | sig | warmi: you here? |
| 02:32:58 | jmhodges | heheh |
| 02:33:01 | noda | iang_npa: Hrm... where did you get it? How much is it? |
| 02:33:16 | lowkey | noda: i recently saw a review, the linksys had the best range but at 1mbps. the socket did good and was the hands down power winner. |
| 02:33:36 | noda | Hrm, sounds tempting... now there're two I have to consider :) |
| 02:33:38 | lowkey | noda: linksys and dlink were a little power hungry |
| 02:33:44 | iang_npa | noda: I got it off some web site here in Canada. |
| 02:33:44 | sig | jmhodges: if I back my system up, will it only save like address book and stuff like that, or will it save all the programs that I have downloaded? |
| 02:34:01 | jmhodges | sig: using qtopiadesktop? |
| 02:34:04 | jmhodges | or wha? |
| 02:34:05 | noda | iang_npa: Ooh, Canada? This sounds even better! (I hate shipping/customs, cost a freakin' fortune for this zaurus) |
| 02:34:22 | jmhodges | sig: n/m i dont know any of that.. i cant remember |
| 02:34:26 | jmhodges | sorry sig |
| 02:34:29 | lowkey | sig: it backs up everything in the ram disk. |
| 02:34:29 | HrAbbey | sig: the builtin backup restore will save the programs too... |
| 02:34:40 | sig | HrAbbey: cool |
| 02:34:43 | iang_npa | noda: oh, you're in Montreal, too? :-) |
| 02:34:49 | sig | I'm gonna update my ROM then |
| 02:34:56 | noda | iang_npa: Yeah! Right downtown (Across the street from the AMC) |
| 02:35:13 | noda | iang: You? :) |
| 02:35:16 | lowkey | sig: consider trying oz. its nice. |
| 02:35:30 | sig | lowkey: not yet, they need to fix some things first |
| 02:35:32 | iang | is at the other end of downtown (well, in the Plateau) |
| 02:35:48 | sig | bbl |
| 02:35:53 | lowkey | sig: not too much imho. as soon as my wireless is fixed then i'm back |
| 02:36:05 | sig | heh |
| 02:36:08 | jmhodges | lowkey: um.. im an idiot.. what is the plugin to allow opie to play oggs? |
| 02:36:13 | noda | iang: So, where'd you get this card, and how much did it cost? :) |
| 02:36:14 | sig | my wireless works |
| 02:36:21 | lowkey | jmhodges: dunno, haven't tried that. |
| 02:36:27 | sig | so does my regular cf netcard and modem |
| 02:36:32 | lowkey | sig: mine works with the sharp rom but not oz 3.0 |
| 02:36:33 | jmhodges | thanks lowkey |
| 02:36:36 | sig | but I'm waiting for oz to be out a bit longer |
| 02:36:44 | lowkey | sig: what net card do you have? |
| 02:36:50 | sig | pretec |
| 02:37:03 | lowkey | hows it work? |
| 02:37:08 | sig | nicely |
| 02:37:15 | lowkey | i need one for work. boss doesn't like the idea of wireless. |
| 02:37:47 | sig | the pretec one is only like 99 bucks and it comes with a pcmcia adapter too |
| 02:37:52 | lowkey | cool |
| 02:37:54 | sig | sharps website sells them |
| 02:38:01 | sig | under hardware |
| 02:38:09 | lowkey | i'll check it out. |
| 02:38:13 | sig | http://www.myzaurus.com/accessories.asp |
| 02:38:22 | sig | http://www.myzaurus.com/acc_Comm3.asp |
| 02:38:31 | sig | well I'm out, time for dinner and some math |
| 02:39:36 | iang | noda: it was from oxycom.com |
| 02:39:57 | iang | They're listing it right now for CA$233. That seems high; I thought I paid less. |
| 02:40:07 | noda | Hrm... |
| 02:40:20 | iang | http://www.oxycom.com/canada/final.asp?RECNO=6225&8249272xxqfg418=87683617 |
| 02:40:25 | iang | [and they're out of stock] |
| 02:40:55 | iang | But I found them by doing a Google search, I think. |
| 02:40:56 | noda | Hrm. |
| 02:41:36 | noda | Has anyone done a review of different wireless cards? I'm willing to spend $233 if the product is that much better (and if the shipping's cheap) |
| 02:42:07 | iang | I think Oxycom's in downtown Montreal, actually. You could probably go get it yourself. |
| 02:42:22 | noda | Really.... this is interesting, I always like learning about a new computer store :) |
| 02:43:22 | lowkey | damn pretec is only a 10mbps card. |
| 02:43:23 | noda | Sheesh, you'd think they'd put their address *somewhere* on their site... |
| 02:43:59 | noda | Why on earth would you need 100mbps on a Zaurus? It'd fill up internal storage in 2 seconds... |
| 02:44:16 | lowkey | noda: network at work is 100/1000. |
| 02:44:21 | iang | noda: I found my receipt. I paid CA$240. |
| 02:44:23 | noda | lowkey: Ah. |
| 02:44:29 | noda | iang: Hrm. Was it worth it? :) |
| 02:44:42 | iang | They're at 1200 McGill College #1100 |
| 02:44:52 | lowkey | noda: of coourse may i could talk the boss into adding a 10/100/1000 segment....... |
| 02:44:54 | iang | 1-800-575-7128 |
| 02:44:58 | noda | Wow, I could go there tomorrow.... (except they're out of stock) |
| 02:45:07 | noda | writes this down... |
| 02:45:34 | iang | I love it, yes. But again, you need to do some hacking to get it to work. http://www.cypherpunks.ca/zaurus/socket.html |
| 02:46:10 | iang | noda: How'd you get your Z shipped to .ca? |
| 02:47:50 | noda | iang: J&R, in the States. Cost $450 for the actual Zaurus (used their "advertised elsewhere for a cheaper price" deal), like $10 for shipping, $40 or so for an extended warranty, $250 for exchange rate and $50 for customs.... |
| 02:48:19 | noda | For that kind of money I want this thing to do miracles (which is why I need the CF card :P) |
| 02:48:57 | iang | Bleh. :-p I don't understand why Sharp refuses to sell the Z in Canada... |
| 02:49:01 | KhensU | heh, I got mine of a guy on ebay. |
| 02:49:04 | noda | I know... how'd you get yours? |
| 02:49:16 | noda | This howto looks like fun, I like learning about stuff. :) |
| 02:49:27 | lowkey | i got mine as a bonus at work....... |
| 02:50:11 | iang | thinkgeek. I was in the US for a bit. |
| 02:50:31 | noda | Oh, gotcha. |
| 02:50:47 | noda | Much cheaper that way, must be easy enough to sneak over the border (or pretend you already had it) |
| 02:50:56 | iang | But now I'm having a hell of a time getting the serial cable. |
| 02:51:18 | KhensU | iang: where are you get that from? |
| 02:51:24 | KhensU | getting |
| 02:51:25 | lowkey | serial cable sucks!! (can't extend the keyboard when its attached.) |
| 02:51:40 | iang | KhensU: the Sharpplace website. |
| 02:51:58 | noda | Hrm, I just reset my Sharp this morning, so I might as well try their new ROM image :) |
| 02:52:02 | KhensU | but they don't ship here do they? |
| 02:52:10 | iang | lowkey: there doesn't seem to be an alternative. And apparently, a little xacto knife action solves that problem |
| 02:52:24 | lowkey | iang: oooh..... |
| 02:52:25 | iang | KhensU: no. That's why I'm having a hell of a time. |
| 02:52:30 | lowkey | looks for knife. |
| 02:52:44 | KhensU | gotcha |
| 02:53:13 | KhensU | I wouldn't mind getting one either. |
| 02:53:22 | iang | KhensU: where are you? |
| 02:54:03 | iang | is slowly accumulating the pieces to do serious warwalking |
| 02:54:15 | KhensU | vancouver |
| 02:55:29 | lowkey | iang: check out warchalking. |
| 02:55:45 | jmhodges | has the eps of that on his hd |
| 02:56:05 | iang | lowkey: already done. |
| 02:56:16 | lowkey | cool |
| 02:56:21 | jmhodges | im dont konw much about wireless (but im moving there) what is special about a low-power socket wireless card? |
| 02:56:31 | iang | needs a metal chalkholder to avoid chalk dust all over his pockets |
| 02:56:58 | iang | jmhodges: eats less battery (at least when not actively transmitting) |
| 02:57:12 | jmhodges | aaaah cool |
| 02:57:14 | jmhodges | hehe iang |
| 02:57:39 | jmhodges | my calc teacher has red plastic ones that wokr real well and would probably be cheaper |
| 02:57:54 | lowkey | jmhodges: linksys eats the battery (~2-3hrs) |
| 02:58:04 | jmhodges | holy shit |
| 02:58:09 | jmhodges | thats.. holy shit |
| 02:58:15 | jmhodges | goes back to that site |
| 02:58:57 | jmhodges | lowkey, iang: is there a company that makes these or is it widespread? |
| 02:59:02 | jmhodges | hey nhudson@ |
| 02:59:16 | iang | jmhodges: makes which? |
| 02:59:21 | lowkey | wireless? lots of companies make it. |
| 02:59:24 | jmhodges | the low power wireless |
| 02:59:31 | iang | Socket and Symbol |
| 02:59:32 | jmhodges | specifically the low power ones :) |
| 02:59:41 | jmhodges | oh shit thats the name! |
| 02:59:42 | lowkey | i keep hoping to find a cisco cf wireless card. |
| 02:59:44 | jmhodges | ooooooooooh |
| 02:59:52 | noda | Hrm, from what I can find through a simple Google search: I download the ospack.srom file from sharp.com and put it on my CF card with the name "romimage" then turn off my Zaurus, hold down the C and D keys on the QWERTY keyboard, and press the Hard Reset button? |
| 02:59:55 | jmhodges | so Socket was the brand name i got it |
| 03:00:16 | jmhodges | noda: then pull out the CF card and hit Reset agin |
| 03:00:18 | jmhodges | and its Full Reset not Hard :) |
| 03:00:26 | noda | Okay, got it. |
| 03:00:30 | iang | noda: the name "romimage" is for the 5000D. Use "ospack" for the 5500 (no ".srom"). You *do* have a 5500, right? |
| 03:00:40 | lowkey | noda: just watch the LEDs |
| 03:00:40 | noda | Oh, yeah, I've got the 5500. |
| 03:00:57 | noda | Okay. Heck, no harm if I screw up anyway, I'll just try again :) |
| 03:00:57 | jmhodges | noda: two lights good, one light bad |
| 03:01:09 | jmhodges | uh.. hope you got a card readery :) |
| 03:01:17 | noda | Why "c" and "d"? It's awfully tricky to press :) |
| 03:01:25 | iang | noda: yup. :-) |
| 03:01:31 | lowkey | noda: exactly |
| 03:01:39 | noda | Ohhhhhhhhh :P |
| 03:01:59 | noda | Okay, here we go with my finger aerobics :) |
| 03:02:41 | noda | Ack! They both turned on, but then I let go of C and D and they turned off again! |
| 03:03:00 | noda | Do I have to hold down C and D the whole time? |
| 03:03:11 | iang | Did you use "mkfs.msdos" to format the CF card? |
| 03:03:16 | jmhodges | noda: no |
| 03:03:27 | jmhodges | noda: hit CDFull ReSet then RELEASE Reset FIRST |
| 03:03:32 | noda | No, I just left it as-is, the way it came from the store. |
| 03:03:36 | jmhodges | er.. C+D+Full Reset |
| 03:03:36 | noda | tries... |
| 03:03:45 | jmhodges | took me forever to figure that out |
| 03:04:18 | noda | Oh, I see, the lights turning off had nothing to do with my letting go of C and D. They just turn off after a second... |
| 03:04:25 | noda | That mean it's not finding the file? |
| 03:04:30 | lowkey | yep |
| 03:04:34 | iang | had exactly the same behaviour; turned out my digital camera formats the card not quite as FAT16. "mkfs.msdos -F 16 /dev/hda1" fixed it. |
| 03:05:03 | iang | And make sure the file is called "ospack" (with no suffix), and it's the only file on the card. |
| 03:05:07 | KhensU | mine did that too |
| 03:05:20 | jmhodges | whoops forgot taht part |
| 03:05:31 | noda | Oh, no suffix and only file on the card... two other things I was missing :P |
| 03:06:04 | noda | Why don't I just use the "upgrade ROM tool"? That's what they used to say to do, seems much simpler... |
| 03:06:14 | noda | Didn't have to empty my CF card either... |
| 03:06:40 | iang | But it's more fun to to the finger aerobics. |
| 03:06:43 | iang | :-) |
| 03:07:00 | noda | Heck, you didn't even *need* a CF card... |
| 03:07:30 | iang | [And it works in the event you fuck up the kernel or filesystem, and it won't boot anymore.] |
| 03:08:08 | noda | I was wondering about that - if I tried to flash my Zaurus with a defective ROM... is it finished? |
| 03:09:06 | iang | If you do the "ospack" method, it could be. If you flash "zimage" and "initrd.bin" separately, you're always safe. |
| 03:09:07 | ljp_work | if you bork your Z, you can send it in and Sharp will fix it |
| 03:09:35 | noda | Oh, that sounds good :) |
| 03:10:09 | lowkey | noda: i've stopped mine from booting a couple of times. but the reset function always seems to work. |
| 03:10:34 | lowkey | noda: get a usb cf reader so you can tweak the cf card if/when it happens |
| 03:11:07 | iang | uses a PCMCIA CF reader, but same principle |
| 03:11:30 | noda | lowkey: Oh, does [c][d][reset] work even with a screwed up ROM? |
| 03:11:55 | noda | How much does a CF reader cost? |
| 03:11:56 | lowkey | noda: always has for me. appears to be hard coded on the hardware. |
| 03:12:05 | lowkey | noda: you can find them for $20 |
| 03:12:05 | noda | Well that's pretty freakin' sweet then :) |
| 03:12:12 | noda | Ooh, I gotta get one! :) |
| 03:12:28 | iang | You can usually find them at computer or camera shops. |
| 03:12:30 | noda | Okay, I'm all set now - finger aerobics time again :) |
| 03:12:42 | noda | I'll keep my eyes open next time, seems like a good investment :) |
| 03:12:54 | noda | Man, this thing gets cooler every time I look at it :) |
| 03:13:01 | iang | I got mine with my digital camera; that's how I read off the images. |
| 03:13:07 | lowkey | ahhh |
| 03:13:26 | jmhodges | noda: i got a 20 buck one that worked with 4 dif card types |
| 03:13:27 | iang | You might try York on St Catherine. |
| 03:13:38 | lowkey | jmhodges: damn, mine was $50 |
| 03:13:42 | noda | Woo! The lights are staying on! *puts the Zaurus down very, very slowly...* |
| 03:13:43 | jmhodges | but its kodak and there isnt any linux support that i could find :( |
| 03:13:48 | noda | iang: I'll do that, thanks :) |
| 03:13:48 | jmhodges | lowkey: suck |
| 03:13:53 | iang | noda: the AC is plugged in, yes? |
| 03:14:00 | noda | iang: Yep :) |
| 03:14:03 | lowkey | jmhodges: but mine works in linux so......suck |
| 03:14:04 | iang | :-) |
| 03:14:26 | jmhodges | hehehe lowkey |
| 03:14:35 | jmhodges | i need to google it.. |
| 03:14:36 | iang | The PCMCIA reader is a no-brainer for Linux; there's no actual circuitry in it. |
| 03:14:37 | jmhodges | maybe i can find some drivers.. |
| 03:14:39 | lowkey | jmhodges: did you recompile your kernel? |
| 03:14:41 | jmhodges | kinda pissed about that. |
| 03:14:46 | jmhodges | lowkey: for? |
| 03:14:49 | jmhodges | er.. no |
| 03:14:51 | noda | Everything works in Linux. It's just a matter of how long it takes to *make* it work :P |
| 03:14:52 | iang | CF == PCMCIA, only smaller. |
| 03:14:55 | lowkey | jmhodges: i had to add a bunch of memory card options. |
| 03:15:11 | jmhodges | i couldnt remember if there were options for such a thing |
| 03:15:12 | sirius|afk | hey |
| 03:15:14 | iang | You need to have the ide-cs.o module |
| 03:15:16 | jmhodges | lowkey: oh really? sweet |
| 03:15:18 | siriusnova | someone do me a favor |
| 03:15:20 | siriusnova | go here |
| 03:15:20 | jmhodges | ill check that out |
| 03:15:23 | siriusnova | http://24.166.177.106 |
| 03:15:30 | siriusnova | see if you get anything |
| 03:15:31 | jmhodges | ide-cs.o module what is it ? |
| 03:15:44 | noda | iang: Whereabouts on St. Catherine is York's? :) |
| 03:15:46 | iang | The PCMCIA removable IDE driver. |
| 03:16:01 | iang | noda: a little east of Guy? I think? |
| 03:16:01 | noda | siriusnova: Yes :) |
| 03:16:07 | siriusnova | noda, what do you get? |
| 03:16:16 | jmhodges | iang: why? its not pcmcia is it? |
| 03:16:27 | iang | CF == PCMCIA, only smaller. |
| 03:16:31 | noda | siriusnova: Something about evil tentacles :) |
| 03:16:34 | siriusnova | noda, cool |
| 03:16:35 | siriusnova | thx |
| 03:17:04 | jmhodges | ok thanks iang |
| 03:17:32 | noda | WHOA!!! Text is scrolling like mad on my Zaurus... |
| 03:17:40 | noda | I can just make out "Inode"... |
| 03:17:42 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 03:17:48 | jmhodges | thats good |
| 03:17:50 | siriusnova | kismet is cool |
| 03:17:55 | iang | noda: Yup. That's normal. Take out the CF card. |
| 03:17:55 | lowkey | noda: boot good. |
| 03:17:58 | noda | Inode <blah> has magic flag set. Clear? yes. |
| 03:18:06 | lowkey | noda: ouch |
| 03:18:11 | noda | Oh, cool... when do I take it out, now? Or when it's done? |
| 03:18:11 | lowkey | noda: that's not normal. |
| 03:18:15 | siriusnova | I used Kismet to login to the Microcenter's network :) |
| 03:18:26 | iang | lowkey: it is, right after a C-D-reset. |
| 03:18:36 | lowkey | iang: never happened to me.... |
| 03:18:39 | noda | So I take the CF card out while all this is scrolling? |
| 03:18:40 | iang | noda: hit the Reset button on the back, no C-D this time. |
| 03:19:11 | noda | Okay, that was scary :) |
| 03:19:15 | jmhodges | ok so what wireless card should i get? |
| 03:19:20 | siriusnova | SMC networks |
| 03:19:20 | iang | Known bug. |
| 03:19:24 | siriusnova | its badass |
| 03:19:25 | siriusnova | what I use |
| 03:19:26 | lowkey | oh wait, i know what your talking about....yeah that's normal |
| 03:19:32 | iang | agrees that kismet is cool |
| 03:20:03 | noda | Hehehe :) |
| 03:20:07 | iang | Next version of kismet will report per-network power levels. Makes for nice maps. |
| 03:21:38 | Cloudchaser | lowkey: JasonNJ said Cisco is coming out with CF wireless soon |
| 03:21:55 | Cloudchaser | he said sharp's getting some to test i think |
| 03:25:07 | noda | Where can one find a changelog of what's changed between ROM version 2.20 and 2.37? |
| 03:25:17 | noda | Oh, yeah, right on the download page. Ignore me :) |
| 03:25:23 | noda | This is what I get like late at night... |
| 03:25:36 | noda | "Added support for Socket 10/100 CF LAN card" |
| 03:25:50 | iang | Note that's not the wireless card. |
| 03:26:00 | noda | Oh yeah. Ignore me, this is what I get like late at night :) |
| 03:27:08 | jmhodges | wha? |
| 03:27:19 | jmhodges | noda: what rom is that now? |
| 03:27:26 | noda | 2.37 |
| 03:27:31 | jmhodges | sharp? |
| 03:28:05 | noda | Yep |
| 03:28:35 | jmhodges | blast |
| 03:28:35 | jmhodges | :) |
| 03:29:08 | noda | Quick poll: How often does everyone here use the IR capabilities of the Zaurus, and if so, what for? :) |
| 03:29:24 | VerxHome | <-- -*NEVER*- |
| 03:29:28 | Cloudchaser | i never have |
| 03:29:29 | iang | noda: once, to transfer my PalmOS addressbook. |
| 03:29:30 | warmi | noda: hardly usefull considering its range |
| 03:30:08 | iang | I don't think any of the apps I use even *have* a beam option(!) |
| 03:30:11 | Cloudchaser | i just watched a cool movie "AntiTrust |
| 03:30:13 | noda | Heh, that's what I figured. Could it be used as a TV clicker though? (albeit with limited range) |
| 03:30:32 | iang | (Ugh; I thought that movie was pretty weak.) |
| 03:30:36 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
| 03:30:43 | Cloudchaser | i'm easily entertained |
| 03:30:56 | iang | noda: *very* limited range. Like O(inches) |
| 03:31:07 | noda | Oh :) |
| 03:31:22 | noda | So it's basically useless :) |
| 03:31:30 | jmhodges | i would.. |
| 03:31:53 | jmhodges | but only to control my tv and stereo (and maybe my comp if i got the right software) |
| 03:31:54 | jmhodges | :) |
| 03:31:59 | noda | I'm trying to think of an easy way to control volume and playback of a DVD movie on my computer from my bed (7 feet away) :) |
| 03:32:17 | iang | noda: 802.11, duh. :-) |
| 03:32:18 | noda | Oh yeah, and cheap or preferably free :) |
| 03:32:33 | noda | Hehehe, hey now.... that'll be awesome! You can do ANYTHING with 802.11! :) |
| 03:33:21 | noda | All right, next week I'm heading over to Oxywhatever and getting that card. Wonder if they even sell stuff in-store... probably not... |
| 03:33:54 | iang | Drop me an email and let me know how you make out with that. I was wondering if they have an actual walk-in store, myself. |
| 03:34:30 | noda | Will do! Address? |
| 03:34:35 | iang | ian@cypherpunks.ca |
| 03:34:51 | iang | Gotta go. See you all later. |
| 03:35:00 | noda | Thanks for all the help! :) |
| 03:35:11 | noda | I've gotta sleep, too.... thanks everyone :) |
| 03:35:32 | noda | I can see myself spending countless nights here hacking away at my new best friend :) |
| 03:38:27 | vilmund | just unpacking my first z first handheld for that matter |
| 03:39:47 | jmhodges | hey vili |
| 03:39:52 | jmhodges | er.. hey vilmund |
| 03:39:55 | jmhodges | sweet |
| 03:39:56 | jmhodges | my |
| 03:39:57 | jmhodges | z |
| 03:39:59 | jmhodges | was my first too |
| 03:40:08 | jmhodges | glares at his enter key |
| 03:40:13 | vilmund | hehe |
| 03:40:22 | vilmund | guess I'll have to let it charge 24 hours ehh? |
| 03:40:43 | jmhodges | nope |
| 03:40:45 | jmhodges | not really |
| 03:40:55 | jmhodges | you can just toss it on the AC adapter |
| 03:40:57 | jmhodges | and play away |
| 03:41:08 | vilmund | yeah and just leave it on all night ehh |
| 03:41:08 | jmhodges | but i would suggest a good amount of time on the adapter |
| 03:41:12 | jmhodges | right vilmund |
| 03:41:23 | jmhodges | 24 hrs is for a full charge i think |
| 03:41:34 | jmhodges | (the first time) |
| 03:41:36 | jmhodges | but the rest |
| 03:41:38 | jmhodges | is ok |
| 03:41:43 | vilmund | but the little backup battery gets what it needs for the first time while I play correct? |
| 03:42:04 | jmhodges | well.. i played and let charge on and off |
| 03:42:37 | jmhodges | was playing am SSMB tourney with friends and cousins my first night with the Z |
| 03:42:42 | jmhodges | it was graduation :) |
| 03:42:46 | jmhodges | grandparents rock :) |
| 03:42:56 | vilmund | hehe |
| 03:43:48 | MrMeanor_ | i got mine for graduation too |
| 03:44:17 | MrMeanor_ | but i made sure they were at bestbuy the day after graduation, i couldn't wait |
| 03:45:08 | vilmund | I read somewhere I should let it sit in the cradle the first 24 hours for the nickel cadmium to fully charge |
| 03:45:20 | vilmund | actually not necessarily in the cradle |
| 03:45:48 | vilmund | oh well it's sitting in the box next to me see y'all in a bit : ) |
| 03:47:09 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 03:47:13 | jmhodges | hey [DrEvil] |
| 03:47:21 | jmhodges | damn i hate bracketed names.. :) |
| 03:48:10 | [DrEvil] | I like my names to be hard to type |
| 03:48:48 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 03:49:02 | jmhodges | tab completion is kingly |
| 03:49:20 | [DoctorEvil] | when it works |
| 03:49:48 | jmhodges | [DoctorEvil]: yours wokrs in two key strokes :) |
| 03:50:06 | [DoctorEvil] | we'll play it like name that tune |
| 03:50:14 | [DoctorEvil] | "I can type your nick in 2 keys" |
| 03:59:02 | jmhodges | [DoctorEvil]: is there an oggplayer for opie? |
| 03:59:15 | jmhodges | oh shit sorry |
| 03:59:17 | [DoctorEvil] | no idea |
| 03:59:18 | jmhodges | you dont run oz |
| 03:59:23 | jmhodges | sorry :/ |
| 03:59:24 | [DoctorEvil] | I don't use OZ right now |
| 03:59:31 | jmhodges | right |
| 03:59:32 | jmhodges | :) |
| 03:59:36 | [DoctorEvil] | anyway |
| 03:59:40 | [DoctorEvil] | i am using tkcPlayer |
| 03:59:44 | jmhodges | aaah |
| 03:59:50 | jmhodges | no credit card :) |
| 04:02:03 | Titan818 | hey everyone, what's a good C compiler for Z? |
| 04:02:22 | jmhodges | gcc |
| 04:02:23 | jmhodges | :) |
| 04:02:37 | jmhodges | Titan818: you mean on the Z? |
| 04:02:42 | jmhodges | if so none |
| 04:02:54 | jmhodges | compilers are too large for it. |
| 04:03:04 | Titan818 | aww |
| 04:03:10 | jmhodges | but! gcc has a wonderful cross-compiling option for it |
| 04:03:11 | vilmund | jmhodges can you think of any reasons why I shouldn't use the docking station for the first 24 hour charge? |
| 04:03:16 | jmhodges | no |
| 04:03:21 | jmhodges | vilmund: ^ |
| 04:03:45 | vilmund | just seems more convenient |
| 04:03:57 | jmhodges | it is |
| 04:03:59 | jmhodges | :P |
| 04:04:03 | Titan818 | where can I check out gcc? |
| 04:04:08 | vilmund | thanks |
| 04:04:29 | | sjohnson: excuse me? |
| 04:04:29 | sjohnson | ibot: toochains |
| 04:04:34 | | sjohnson: huh? |
| 04:04:34 | sjohnson | ibot: toolchains |
| 04:04:36 | | it has been said that toolchain is at http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/Toolchains |
| 04:04:36 | sjohnson | ibot: toolchain |
| 04:04:42 | sjohnson | Look there. |
| 04:04:49 | jmhodges | Titan818: im assuming your one windows? |
| 04:04:53 | jmhodges | i suggest cygwin :) |
| 04:05:23 | Titan818 | I run Win and Redhat 73 |
| 04:05:33 | jmhodges | well then redhat already has gcc |
| 04:05:41 | jmhodges | gcc is the standard for linux |
| 04:06:43 | sjohnson | Does anyone knoe offhand of a command line program that can control the Z's frontlight? |
| 04:07:07 | jmhodges | sjohnson: you mean backlight> |
| 04:07:09 | jmhodges | ? |
| 04:07:17 | jmhodges | and um.. no |
| 04:07:23 | jmhodges | not me |
| 04:07:36 | sjohnson | jmhodges: Technically it's a front light, becuase it's a Reflective screen |
| 04:07:39 | sjohnson | :) |
| 04:07:56 | jmhodges | sjohnson: i concede the point |
| 04:07:57 | jmhodges | :) |
| 04:08:02 | jmhodges | didnt know that thanks |
| 04:09:11 | jmhodges | try /opt/QtPalmtop/bin/light-and-power (thats on OZ though) |
| 04:09:34 | sjohnson | jmhodges: No I need a pure commad lne program not a gui. |
| 04:09:45 | sjohnson | I'm trying to build a Familiar romimage for the Zaurus |
| 04:10:09 | jmhodges | well.. um.. i did a ipkg files opie-light-and-power and i only got a few files.. and that was the only actual binary |
| 04:10:22 | jmhodges | sjohnson: try ipkg files <whatever ipkg it is> |
| 04:11:21 | sjohnson | jmhodges: I know anout ipkg files. But opie-light-and-power is the applet that does settings. It doesn't control the screen or front/backlight |
| 04:11:53 | jmhodges | sjohnson: ooook :) |
| 04:11:59 | jmhodges | is just tossing out shit |
| 04:12:34 | ][N-Flux | we need ddr for the Z |
| 04:12:40 | ][N-Flux | that would indeed rock |
| 04:12:58 | jmhodges | LOL |
| 04:13:15 | jmhodges | that would be hard has hell to play.. but if it was just music and large arrows.. |
| 04:13:17 | jmhodges | hm.. |
| 04:13:23 | jmhodges | and eth cf card |
| 04:13:36 | jmhodges | and mod to the "normal" dance pad |
| 04:13:43 | ][N-Flux | yeah :) |
| 04:13:45 | jmhodges | hm.. |
| 04:14:01 | ][N-Flux | been playing stepmainia and need more and more :) |
| 04:14:05 | jmhodges | hehehe |
| 04:14:53 | jmhodges | dammit.. wheres the price for this socket card.. |
| 04:15:42 | jmhodges | jaw drops |
| 04:15:44 | jmhodges | 190 bucks |
| 04:15:47 | jmhodges | holy shit |
| 04:16:05 | jmhodges | first, need to buy the rest of my textbooks |
| 04:16:12 | jmhodges | second, get a better paying job |
| 04:16:27 | jmhodges | third, make sure i dont go broke in my first semester of college |
| 04:16:33 | jmhodges | then i could get that.. maybe |
| 04:17:17 | krnlkrtz | hello |
| 04:17:40 | krnlkrtz | anyone home? |
| 04:17:48 | krnlkrtz | thought you guys might be interested in this: |
| 04:17:50 | krnlkrtz | http://online.securityfocus.com/archive/1/281437/2002-07-08/2002-07-14/0 |
| 04:17:52 | jmhodges | heya |
| 04:18:07 | krnlkrtz | we tried to work with sharp on this but they were not very responsive... |
| 04:18:53 | jmhodges | thanks krnlkrtz |
| 04:19:00 | jmhodges | !! |
| 04:19:05 | jmhodges | krnlkrtz: which one are you ? |
| 04:19:07 | jmhodges | :) |
| 04:19:19 | ][N-Flux | is away: Stepmania |
| 04:19:38 | jmhodges | krnlkrtz: ill toss this to the OpenZaurus guys too |
| 04:19:51 | jmhodges | did you try the OZ rom? im betting the same vuln. are there.. |
| 04:20:00 | jmhodges | dont worry about it too much.. if its the same theyll fix it |
| 04:20:22 | sjohnson | OZ doen't have the FTP server running. |
| 04:20:35 | krnlkrtz | i am dfc@anize.org |
| 04:20:43 | jmhodges | uh it has a ftp server running |
| 04:20:53 | jmhodges | ftps into his z all the time with it |
| 04:20:56 | jmhodges | thanks krnlkrtz |
| 04:20:59 | vilmund | chargin' in the cradle hehe |
| 04:21:00 | krnlkrtz | another member of the team |
| 04:21:05 | krnlkrtz | is also here |
| 04:21:15 | jmhodges | cool krnlkrtz |
| 04:21:16 | GiminyZzz | hi hi |
| 04:21:20 | jmhodges | hey GiminyZzz |
| 04:21:30 | krnlkrtz | i am not aware of the OZ |
| 04:21:46 | krnlkrtz | i had no idea this chan existed |
| 04:22:08 | krnlkrtz | i saw a bunch of people at OLS with zaurii |
| 04:22:10 | jmhodges | krnlkrtz: its the OpenZaurus project, the original sharp rom contained proprietary software and so the OZ project was formed (openzaurus.sf.net) |
| 04:22:15 | jmhodges | krnlkrtz: hehehe |
| 04:22:16 | jmhodges | OLS? |
| 04:22:25 | krnlkrtz | ottawa linux symposium |
| 04:22:41 | krnlkrtz | sharp is on the right track it is too bad they did not embrace the whole OS idea |
| 04:22:42 | jmhodges | oh duh |
| 04:22:44 | jmhodges | smacks his forehead |
| 04:22:49 | jmhodges | krnlkrtz: yeah |
| 04:22:54 | jmhodges | krnlkrtz: you have a Z ? |
| 04:22:59 | krnlkrtz | any sharp people here? |
| 04:23:14 | krnlkrtz | yeah our boss bought some for us to play with |
| 04:23:20 | jmhodges | hehehe nice! |
| 04:23:20 | krnlkrtz | that was the lowest fruit |
| 04:23:34 | krnlkrtz | the /dev/random issue is what really needs to be addressed |
| 04:23:40 | Giminy | yah |
| 04:23:44 | Giminy | I've been working on ze kernel |
| 04:23:45 | krnlkrtz | as soon as passwords work |
| 04:23:46 | sjohnson | Opie/Qtopia must be running it. I can't any othe rprocesses running on OZ. |
| 04:23:59 | krnlkrtz | we will check out the OZ project |
| 04:24:06 | krnlkrtz | any OZ developers here? |
| 04:24:16 | jmhodges | im seeing no mention of /dev/random in the securityfocus site |
| 04:24:23 | krnlkrtz | ??? |
| 04:24:29 | Giminy | well it has to do with the random number generator on the zaurus |
| 04:24:41 | krnlkrtz | that is the lack of one |
| 04:24:45 | Giminy | right |
| 04:24:48 | krnlkrtz | ;) |
| 04:24:50 | Giminy | the kernel doesn't do the right thing |
| 04:24:54 | Titan818 | is there a way to create a background for Z env? |
| 04:25:05 | Giminy | it only adds entropy on keyboard events |
| 04:25:05 | sjohnson | krnlkrtz: OZ is just a rom image that features Opie and a jffs2 file system. |
| 04:25:06 | jmhodges | sorry i just meant that its not mentioned specifically in the synopsisand all |
| 04:25:20 | krnlkrtz | sjohnson excersize left to the reader |
| 04:25:21 | jmhodges | sjohnson: and pure OS software |
| 04:25:58 | krnlkrtz | the most recent phrack has shellcode examples for arm |
| 04:26:14 | sjohnson | Titan818: Not on the Sharp Rom Images. The background image is hardcoded. |
| 04:26:15 | krnlkrtz | giminy can give the details of the random issue |
| 04:26:18 | sirius|afk | sup |
| 04:26:23 | krnlkrtz | the trick is use the keyboard |
| 04:26:26 | jmhodges | so Giminy which one are you ;) |
| 04:26:32 | Giminy | krwightm |
| 04:26:39 | Giminy | @syralumni.org that is |
| 04:26:44 | siriusnova | smc networks make cool hardware |
| 04:26:51 | jmhodges | cool |
| 04:26:57 | siriusnova | i just bought their WAP + Router + Gateway + firewall thingamajig |
| 04:27:00 | siriusnova | heh |
| 04:27:07 | krnlkrtz | turn it off;) |
| 04:27:18 | siriusnova | http://www.smc.com/index.cfm?action=products_show_images&productCode=SMC7004VWBR |
| 04:27:23 | krnlkrtz | or don't use the zaurus |
| 04:27:26 | siriusnova | hehe |
| 04:27:45 | siriusnova | I also have an SMC CF card |
| 04:27:48 | Giminy | apparently the qpe problem is fixed in the latest patches for the zaurus, that seems to be what people say on bugtraq anyway |
| 04:27:50 | siriusnova | and I get 500kb/s |
| 04:27:52 | siriusnova | on the network |
| 04:27:56 | siriusnova | from Z to other box |
| 04:27:59 | krnlkrtz | don't use that either |
| 04:28:27 | Giminy | what I don't get is that the latest version of the rom on the zaurus developer website is the same rom I'm using, so I never bothered installing it |
| 04:28:28 | jmhodges | lol |
| 04:28:31 | sjohnson | krnlkrtz: IIRC Sharp has changed it's upcoming romimage to only allow connections to the FTP port from the USB network interface. |
| 04:28:50 | krnlkrtz | i wish they would have let us know |
| 04:28:56 | Giminy | seriously |
| 04:28:58 | jmhodges | Giminy: going bleeding edge :) toss OZ on :P theyll be more responsive ya know |
| 04:29:01 | krnlkrtz | it would have been nice to include in the advisory |
| 04:29:20 | Giminy | they responded to me, "We are looking into that issue" for my multiple vulnerabilities email a month ago |
| 04:29:25 | jmhodges | ouch |
| 04:29:28 | jmhodges | a month ago? |
| 04:29:29 | jmhodges | yeesh |
| 04:29:46 | jmhodges | im guessing you guys looked at the 2.37 (?) rom too? i think i missed that info |
| 04:30:09 | sjohnson | krnlkrtz: Catch Jason Perlow on this channel. He's now working for Sharp. nick is JasonNJ. |
| 04:30:12 | jmhodges | i think thats the new one.. |
| 04:30:25 | jmhodges | and kergoth`gone is a OZ dev |
| 04:30:40 | jmhodges | kergoth is a heavy oz dev |
| 04:30:47 | krnlkrtz | can anyone change the topic so people are notified of the vuln? |
| 04:30:53 | krnlkrtz | it sounds like an easy fix now |
| 04:31:00 | Giminy | yah |
| 04:31:08 | krnlkrtz | as it stands right now the thing is a walking liabitlity |
| 04:31:12 | jmhodges | uh .. thats a good idea |
| 04:31:19 | jmhodges | dunno of any ops here |
| 04:31:22 | Giminy | don't want all the peeps having random strangers download their appointments with their mistresses |
| 04:31:30 | jmhodges | hehe Giminy |
| 04:31:36 | krnlkrtz | or their lack of any appointments;) |
| 04:34:14 | jmhodges | psst Giminy, on your About page you misspelled agnostic (the hyperlink one) |
| 04:34:29 | Giminy | oh where? |
| 04:34:49 | jmhodges | the hyperlink |
| 04:34:51 | Giminy | I generally only type on my web pages between 4 and 8am so that'd probably be why ;-) |
| 04:34:56 | jmhodges | hehehe |
| 04:35:10 | krnlkrtz | he can't spell he is a computer nerd |
| 04:35:17 | jmhodges | lol |
| 04:35:19 | Giminy | bah, I can spell :) |
| 04:35:37 | Giminy | I wrote that little security advisory thing, did I make any spelling mistakes? I didn't even spellcheck it :P |
| 04:35:41 | jmhodges | hehehe |
| 04:35:47 | jmhodges | i think its fine |
| 04:35:52 | krnlkrtz | don't say that |
| 04:36:04 | krnlkrtz | lie tell him he is bad spellher |
| 04:36:07 | jmhodges | lol |
| 04:36:21 | Giminy | hehehe |
| 04:36:25 | jmhodges | Giminy: your spelling is tremendously awful in it and it should be taken down immediately |
| 04:36:34 | Giminy | which web page is that I mispelled something on now? |
| 04:36:53 | Giminy | sure sure |
| 04:36:58 | jmhodges | About page |
| 04:37:00 | Giminy | I won the south jersey spelling bee when I was a kid |
| 04:37:07 | jmhodges | lol nice |
| 04:37:19 | Giminy | oh whoops |
| 04:37:22 | Giminy | look at that, agostic |
| 04:37:23 | krnlkrtz | i thought south jersey had the lowest literacy rate in the country;) |
| 04:37:29 | Giminy | snigger |
| 04:37:33 | krnlkrtz | hey my find is not working in mozilla |
| 04:37:35 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 04:37:44 | jmhodges | krnlkrtz: enh? |
| 04:37:45 | krnlkrtz | where does it mention the usb fix on the linuxjournal article? |
| 04:37:53 | krnlkrtz | http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=5902 |
| 04:38:04 | Giminy | I know there was a lame-o patch out there for a few days before I posted it |
| 04:39:03 | jmhodges | the 'usb fix' is the 1st vuln correct? |
| 04:39:11 | krnlkrtz | yeah |
| 04:39:12 | jmhodges | er.. toss a 'for' in ther |
| 04:39:46 | krnlkrtz | the random issue is the crippling issue |
| 04:39:59 | Giminy | Niranjan dug it up |
| 04:39:59 | Giminy | would be nice if sharp posted a little security advisory type thing on the zaurus website though |
| 04:39:59 | Giminy | yeah |
| 04:40:00 | Giminy | does that actually set the interface qpe listens to for sync though? |
| 04:40:00 | krnlkrtz | the things would be a cool authentication token if it could spew random data |
| 04:40:01 | Giminy | or just the IP it allows a connection from? |
| 04:40:04 | Giminy | I have to play with it tomorrow |
| 04:40:05 | Giminy | and yeah, try tail'ing /dev/random |
| 04:40:24 | Giminy | it gets hardly anything |
| 04:40:34 | jmhodges | wb nhudson |
| 04:40:37 | sjohnson | Giminy: It's an FTP server that runs as root and allows a connection without a password. |
| 04:40:39 | nhudson | thx |
| 04:40:45 | krnlkrtz | we know;) |
| 04:40:45 | nhudson | I got my webcam to work! |
| 04:40:49 | nhudson | im so happy |
| 04:40:57 | Giminy | yeah that I know |
| 04:41:01 | jmhodges | heheh nhudson |
| 04:41:05 | Giminy | wrote the advisory |
| 04:41:06 | nhudson | :) |
| 04:41:11 | jmhodges | nhudson: url! |
| 04:41:14 | jmhodges | :) |
| 04:41:24 | jmhodges | wants to see nhudson's smiling face |
| 04:41:25 | nhudson | url for? |
| 04:41:28 | jmhodges | webcam |
| 04:41:37 | jmhodges | damn.. that sucks guys |
| 04:41:38 | krnlkrtz | i found a java blowfish thingy for the sharp i wonder if it works |
| 04:41:53 | jmhodges | wonders what the hell krnlkrtz is talking about |
| 04:41:57 | jmhodges | oh well |
| 04:42:12 | Giminy | he's saying using the zaurus as an authentication device |
| 04:42:20 | krnlkrtz | it was a blowfish implementation in java for doing crypto on the Z |
| 04:42:38 | krnlkrtz | i am no crypto expert but from what I hear random numbers are good for crypto;) |
| 04:42:50 | jmhodges | ah |
| 04:42:52 | krnlkrtz | ssh, ssl, yadda yadda |
| 04:42:59 | jmhodges | oh well if your into java dont grab OZ |
| 04:43:08 | jmhodges | they are trying to port blackdown right now |
| 04:43:17 | jmhodges | (oz is pretty beta) |
| 04:43:45 | sjohnson | if random numbers aren't very random, an attacker can predict them. That cuts down on the keyspace that have to focus on. |
| 04:43:58 | Giminy | right |
| 04:44:04 | Giminy | keyboard is pretty random |
| 04:44:14 | Giminy | cuz it can just take the least significant bits of the time or something |
| 04:44:14 | krnlkrtz | sjohnson: i was joking |
| 04:44:37 | Giminy | but right now the Z kernel drivers aren't doing the right thing |
| 04:44:54 | Giminy | and that feels weird, usually when I say Z I mean a Nissan :) |
| 04:45:02 | sjohnson | krnlkrtz: I'm tired. I should have know better. I'm been the walking fountain of knowledge all day long. |
| 04:45:12 | krnlkrtz | it could use a multitude of things for random seeds |
| 04:45:18 | sjohnson | I'm the Senior Unix Admin at work. |
| 04:45:27 | krnlkrtz | IR port, noise on the WiFi hole i mean card |
| 04:45:38 | Giminy | ir port might work, I need to play with the values |
| 04:45:41 | krnlkrtz | stylus taps |
| 04:45:53 | Giminy | stylus taps are a good thing. ir port might not be random enough though |
| 04:46:38 | Giminy | I'm sure someone's written a paper on the frequency of infrared emissions from gas tube lights receiving 60hz AC |
| 04:46:53 | Giminy | :) |
| 04:47:06 | krnlkrtz | I have to go to sleep. I have Public Budgeting at nine SHARP (get it) |
| 04:47:21 | krnlkrtz | it was nice to meet all of you guys and girls |
| 04:47:35 | Giminy | yah, need to doze off meself. have much upgrading to do on the servers tomorrow |
| 04:47:39 | krnlkrtz | if anyone sees an op on here can they set the topic to something about updating the ROM |
| 04:48:04 | krnlkrtz | We will be in touch more often and will look at OZ tommorow or next week |
| 04:48:11 | krnlkrtz | the next target is the audiovox... |
| 04:57:52 | jmhodges | gnight krnlkrtz |
| 04:57:55 | jmhodges | gnight GiminyZzz |
| 04:58:00 | jmhodges | whoops.. too late on one.. |
| 05:01:14 | krnlkrtz | night |
| 05:01:40 | jmhodges | seeya |
| 05:02:12 | krnlkrtz | don't forget too tell someone about the topic change |
| 05:04:43 | | i think jffs2 is at http://sources.redhat.com/jffs2/ |
| 05:04:43 | sjohnson | ibot: jffs2 |
| 05:04:52 | | rumour has it mkfs.jffs2 is in infradead.org's CVS under the mtd module. or at http://sources.redhat.com/jffs2/ if you want a binary |
| 05:04:52 | sjohnson | ibot: mkfs.jffs2 |
| 05:08:37 | W|GGL|T | what about the topic change?? |
| 05:10:00 | jmhodges | W|GGL|T: badness |
| 05:10:12 | jmhodges | http://online.securityfocus.com/archive/1/281437/2002-07-08/2002-07-14/0 |
| 05:10:14 | jmhodges | W|GGL|T: ^ |
| 05:10:17 | jmhodges | very badness |
| 05:12:14 | W|GGL|T | oh...saw that on the zaurus mail list |
| 05:13:24 | W|GGL|T | those vulnerabilites have been known for some time now |
| 05:14:23 | W|GGL|T | well, the first vulnerability has |
| 05:14:29 | W|GGL|T | dunno about the second one |
| 05:14:33 | jmhodges | well two of the guys dropped by to tell everyone |
| 05:14:38 | jmhodges | they wnated the topic changed |
| 05:14:46 | jmhodges | i told them to check in on OZ too :) |
| 05:15:40 | W|GGL|T | hey.....lol, when i did a bug report/wish list i asked about vulnerabililty #2! |
| 05:15:51 | jmhodges | W|GGL|T: lol |
| 05:15:51 | jmhodges | ! |
| 05:16:31 | W|GGL|T | i asked for alphanumeric input of passcode at bootup instead of just using the numbers on the screen |
| 05:17:26 | W|GGL|T | and asked specifically for HWR input of passcode |
| 05:17:48 | jmhodges | they had some nice ideas of using screen clicks and .. damn.. its in screen somewhere.. as added "randomizers" (/dev/random and aall) |
| 05:17:54 | jmhodges | W|GGL|T: go wiggie |
| 05:19:33 | W|GGL|T | loves galeon 1.2.5 |
| 05:20:32 | jmhodges | well duh! |
| 05:20:34 | jmhodges | :) |
| 05:20:40 | jmhodges | what do you esp love about it? |
| 05:21:31 | W|GGL|T | its quicker than the previous galeon i used (pre-1.0) |
| 05:21:48 | jmhodges | jesus you took a while to come around :) |
| 05:22:25 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 05:22:39 | W|GGL|T | better layout too |
| 05:23:07 | W|GGL|T | i just need to check how it renders CSS |
| 05:25:07 | treke|home | W|GGL|T: galeon's cvs rendering wouldnt have changed, since it's all done through mozilla |
| 05:25:17 | sig | W|GGL|T: whats up dude |
| 05:25:30 | jmhodges | :) |
| 05:25:31 | sig | haven't seen you in a few days |
| 05:25:34 | sig | sup jmhodges |
| 05:25:52 | jmhodges | heya Sig |
| 05:26:16 | W|GGL|T | treke|home: the latest mozilla doesn't seem to render CSS to standard (floating background, for instance)...that's why i'm wondering |
| 05:26:43 | W|GGL|T | hi sig! |
| 05:26:58 | treke|home | W|GGL|T: It'll be no different in galeon |
| 05:27:19 | W|GGL|T | grrr |
| 05:27:45 | treke|home | galeon is just mozilla embedded in a gnome app |
| 05:28:03 | sig | W|GGL|T: check out my site and see if you can come up with some good ideas for me to make it better..... I'm not close to done yet, i just finished the index.html and have to make .html's for the other dir's that I have there. I plan on making a PDA .html of my zaurus and some cool stuff.. |
| 05:28:06 | krnlkrtz | i am still here |
| 05:28:07 | sig | http://sig.ath.cx |
| 05:28:54 | krnlkrtz | if this had been known about why was nothing done? |
| 05:29:22 | sig | krnlkrtz: ?? |
| 05:29:28 | W|GGL|T | hrmm....actually, both are rendering floating backgrounds pretty well now (the later releases are) |
| 05:29:34 | krnlkrtz | i am on surauz team |
| 05:29:38 | W|GGL|T | http://www.wigglit.com/comics.html, for instance |
| 05:30:28 | W|GGL|T | you are using debian? so am I |
| 05:30:34 | treke|home | looks fine for me... |
| 05:30:35 | sig | heh |
| 05:30:38 | W|GGL|T | well, a debian derivative |
| 05:30:41 | W|GGL|T | libranet |
| 05:30:48 | sig | how is libranet? |
| 05:31:13 | siriusnov | yo |
| 05:31:16 | treke|home | W|GGL|T: what isnt rendering right? |
| 05:31:28 | W|GGL|T | its great....its on my XP box (dual boot), and i use XP alot, so I don't get the chance to use libranet as much as I'd like |
| 05:31:35 | sig | Not Found |
| 05:31:35 | sig | The requested URL /comics.html, was not found on this server. |
| 05:31:35 | sig | Apache/1.3.22 Ben-SSL/1.47 Server at www.wigglit.com Port 80 |
| 05:31:53 | jmhodges | sig: rm the %2c at the end |
| 05:31:56 | jmhodges | thats what got me.. |
| 05:32:00 | sig | gotcha |
| 05:32:03 | sig | hah |
| 05:32:13 | krnlkrtz | i was referring to the ftp issue |
| 05:32:32 | W|GGL|T | treke|home: everything is fine now...i just updated both mozzie and galeon and before I updated, they were both rendering some CSS functions in a funky way |
| 05:32:37 | sig | ok, i get an error when i try to open galeon..... "Unable to initialize mozilla libraries" |
| 05:32:38 | sig | ?? |
| 05:32:39 | sig | wtf |
| 05:32:42 | jmhodges | W|GGL|T: krnlkrtz is one of the security guys i told ya aobut ;) |
| 05:32:54 | W|GGL|T | jmhodges: ahh |
| 05:33:05 | W|GGL|T | sig: that page won't open for you? |
| 05:33:25 | sig | W|GGL|T: it will now |
| 05:33:33 | W|GGL|T | ahh...ok |
| 05:33:36 | sig | I'm just getting mozilla/galeon errors |
| 05:33:43 | W|GGL|T | skimming your pages now |
| 05:33:47 | sig | does dpkg -r package remove it and everything that it has? |
| 05:33:58 | krnlkrtz | ls -lls -l |
| 05:34:00 | krnlkrtz | sorry |
| 05:34:01 | W|GGL|T | you like debian better than slackware? |
| 05:34:25 | W|GGL|T | i dont screw with dpkg |
| 05:34:26 | krnlkrtz | wigglit you do security for sharp? |
| 05:34:34 | W|GGL|T | ive been apt-getting everything |
| 05:34:35 | W|GGL|T | hehe |
| 05:35:13 | sig | dpkg -r | --remove | -P | --purge |
| 05:35:18 | sig | heh thats what i need to do |
| 05:35:33 | W|GGL|T | krnlkrtz: no, im jobless...i'd just been talking to jmhodges about me emailing sharp about the Z's password utility |
| 05:35:53 | krnlkrtz | W|GGL|T: the passcode or the password |
| 05:36:08 | W|GGL|T | ooops...passcode |
| 05:36:29 | krnlkrtz | no problem we had a vocab problem for a while on the project because of this |
| 05:36:38 | krnlkrtz | the random issue needs to be fixed |
| 05:36:55 | krnlkrtz | increasing the search space by 4092 would be a big boost |
| 05:38:20 | W|GGL|T | it was on my wishlist that i emailed them, then imagine my surprise when i saw it as a security issue |
| 05:39:36 | W|GGL|T | thinks UPS will deliver his new Z case tomorrow! |
| 05:40:56 | sig | W|GGL|T: apt-get --purge remove mozilla galeon |
| 05:40:56 | sig | hah |
| 05:41:00 | sig | that'll fix it |
| 05:41:05 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 05:41:21 | treke|home | what, and remove the one decent web browser for Linux? |
| 05:41:25 | treke|home | :) |
| 05:41:29 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 05:41:59 | sig | treke|home: i had to totally remove it so i could add it back without erros |
| 05:42:03 | sig | erros=errors |
| 05:42:06 | W|GGL|T | they are better than konq now |
| 05:42:19 | treke|home | sig: whew |
| 05:42:24 | sig | I have never touched konqueror |
| 05:42:57 | sig | hmm |
| 05:42:59 | W|GGL|T | sig: you have your Z registered with the linux counter? |
| 05:43:06 | sig | mozilla or galeon won't run as regular user? |
| 05:43:14 | sig | w |
| 05:43:21 | sig | W|GGL|T: not yet heh |
| 05:43:32 | W|GGL|T | reg user = nonroot? |
| 05:43:39 | sig | yeah, non root |
| 05:43:48 | sig | says: unable to initialize mozilla libraries |
| 05:43:48 | W|GGL|T | they should |
| 05:44:39 | sig | what can i do to fix this? |
| 05:44:53 | W|GGL|T | ive never seen those errors before |
| 05:45:37 | W|GGL|T | good man...you are using xfce with debian :o) |
| 05:46:20 | sig | W|GGL|T: I've always used XFCE |
| 05:46:28 | W|GGL|T | some of your screenshot images are huge in size |
| 05:46:44 | sig | W|GGL|T: yeah, cause i use 1600x1200 |
| 05:46:59 | sig | I'll make them smaller when i actually add the html for those pages |
| 05:47:09 | sig | can someone tell me what i have to do to get a non-root user able to use galeon and mozilla again? it says: "unable to initialize mozilla libraries" |
| 05:47:30 | jmhodges | sig: did you run ld? |
| 05:47:35 | jmhodges | er.. |
| 05:47:35 | sig | ld? |
| 05:47:37 | W|GGL|T | i like the index page's layout |
| 05:47:39 | jmhodges | i think thats right |
| 05:47:42 | jmhodges | its the lib command |
| 05:47:46 | jmhodges | it checks for new libs |
| 05:47:52 | sig | no i fucked with /usr/lib/mozilla i did like a chmod 666 or some shit last night |
| 05:47:54 | jmhodges | (as root you run it) |
| 05:47:59 | jmhodges | sig: do ld |
| 05:48:11 | sig | debian:/home/sig# ld |
| 05:48:11 | sig | ld: no input files |
| 05:48:18 | jmhodges | shit thats not it.. |
| 05:48:20 | jmhodges | thinks |
| 05:48:37 | jmhodges | OH DUH |
| 05:48:40 | jmhodges | ldconfig ! |
| 05:49:04 | sig | nope i still get that error for mozilla and galeon |
| 05:49:27 | jmhodges | thinks |
| 05:49:36 | Speedy2 | re |
| 05:49:36 | jmhodges | sig: |
| 05:49:44 | sig | hmm |
| 05:49:50 | jmhodges | i have a what is basically an enhanced build script |
| 05:49:51 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Are you here? |
| 05:49:57 | jmhodges | parse it for what you did wrong :) |
| 05:50:01 | jmhodges | hold on |
| 05:50:06 | jmhodges | lemme tar ball it for you |
| 05:50:17 | sig | k |
| 05:50:19 | jmhodges | (my distro is src based and its package management is godly) |
| 05:53:39 | jmhodges_ | sigh sorry |
| 05:53:44 | jmhodges_ | got disconnect |
| 05:53:48 | jmhodges_ | the main stuff is BUILD, POST_* |
| 05:54:02 | jmhodges_ | sig: ? |
| 05:54:12 | sig | hmm |
| 05:56:00 | sig | jmhodges: i fixed it |
| 05:56:05 | sig | chmod 755 |
| 05:57:18 | jmhodges | oook :D |
| 05:57:38 | sig | hehe |
| 05:57:41 | sig | fixed now |
| 05:57:52 | sig | hey W|GGL|T |
| 05:57:59 | sig | I got some cool crystal icons for linux |
| 05:58:05 | sig | you want them? |
| 05:58:27 | W|GGL|T | i wouldn't know what to do with them |
| 05:58:31 | sig | lol |
| 05:58:35 | sig | for your XFCE panel |
| 05:58:39 | jmhodges | sig: SWEET |
| 05:58:40 | W|GGL|T | ahhh! |
| 05:58:44 | jmhodges | gimme gimme gimme! |
| 05:58:46 | sig | see mine |
| 05:58:46 | jmhodges | :) |
| 05:58:48 | W|GGL|T | sure |
| 05:58:49 | sig | jmhodges: k |
| 05:58:54 | sig | one sec let me zip it |
| 05:58:57 | jmhodges | cool |
| 05:59:19 | sig | zip -rp9 works like a charm |
| 06:00:15 | Speedy2 | hrm |
| 06:00:16 | Speedy2 | 80 MB CF card - $35 |
| 06:00:16 | sig | http://sig.ath.cx/downloads/crystalicons.zip |
| 06:01:00 | sig | Speedy2: I was at fry's Electronics sale and got a SD and CF 128mb for 39.99 a piece |
| 06:01:03 | sig | a sale they had |
| 06:01:15 | Speedy2 | I'm not selling it, someone else is |
| 06:01:18 | Speedy2 | SD is shit anyway |
| 06:01:21 | jmhodges | sig where did you get these icons? |
| 06:01:25 | sig | SD rocks dude |
| 06:01:31 | sig | what are you talking about |
| 06:01:41 | sig | jmhodges: a buddy I know made them |
| 06:01:46 | Speedy2 | SD is slow, proprietary interface, can't directly stick into laptop, etc. |
| 06:01:47 | sig | in #redhat |
| 06:01:48 | jmhodges | sweet |
| 06:02:01 | Speedy2 | CF is universal, open standard (so to speak) and with a passive adaptor, a laptop can access it |
| 06:02:04 | W|GGL|T | wonder where the fuck galeon is bookmarking sig's page |
| 06:02:20 | jmhodges | we've got a lot of xfce fans and they may get passed around (the webmaster for the xfce site is one of our dev guys) |
| 06:02:24 | sig | Speedy2: spend 39.99 buy a bad ass card reader that reads every kind of card made out there |
| 06:02:30 | Speedy2 | sig: No. |
| 06:02:39 | sig | Speedy2: lol |
| 06:02:47 | Speedy2 | My laptop has PCMCIA and I have the PCMCIA adaptors, why do I want to pay money for that? |
| 06:02:58 | Speedy2 | (that == reader) |
| 06:03:06 | Speedy2 | Everyone should just f'ing standardize on CF |
| 06:03:32 | sig | Speedy2: how the hell can you use your CF network card if you have a CF card in? |
| 06:03:33 | sig | duh |
| 06:03:41 | sig | I always have my 128mb SD card in |
| 06:03:43 | Speedy2 | sig: Well, the Z should be dual-CF IMO |
| 06:03:48 | sig | lol |
| 06:04:18 | sig | speeking of which, i need to backup my z and update the damn ROM |
| 06:04:34 | sig | 2.2 to 2.37 |
| 06:05:10 | sig | jmhodges: there is a few kde icons in there, thats what the guy uses, but there are some other cool ones that can be used |
| 06:05:37 | jmhodges | i have no idea how i should install these |
| 06:05:45 | W|GGL|T | has been using 2.37 for a few weeks already |
| 06:05:48 | jmhodges | the dir setup is not like the "normal" xfce one |
| 06:06:06 | W|GGL|T | sig: can i link your site? |
| 06:06:10 | sig | jmhodges: i do it manually |
| 06:06:15 | sig | W|GGL|T: go for it |
| 06:06:33 | W|GGL|T | thx |
| 06:06:39 | sig | I plan on having it complete sometime soon.... once i get off my lazy ass and finish my homework early one night for once |
| 06:06:52 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 06:07:14 | sig | I have a Lan party to attend on friday night til saturday morning |
| 06:07:16 | W|GGL|T | gonna update the pda page...don't like the layout. The Zaurus section has enough info to warrant its own page! |
| 06:07:23 | sig | gonna try and win some hardware shit |
| 06:07:24 | W|GGL|T | has never been to a lan party |
| 06:07:27 | W|GGL|T | would be cool |
| 06:07:42 | W|GGL|T | people here are more interested in cows than lan parties tho |
| 06:07:50 | sig | lol |
| 06:07:58 | W|GGL|T | sucks ass |
| 06:08:10 | W|GGL|T | this city doews |
| 06:08:13 | W|GGL|T | does |
| 06:08:31 | Speedy2 | Which city? |
| 06:08:33 | sig | W|GGL|T: ones here are cool |
| 06:08:41 | sig | usually around a hundred people or so |
| 06:08:46 | sig | lots of cool prizes and shit |
| 06:08:57 | W|GGL|T | yeah, i can imagine...that's why i miss california so much |
| 06:08:58 | sig | linux/mac/win32 sections within these parties |
| 06:09:23 | Speedy2 | W|GGL|T: What city are you in? |
| 06:09:32 | W|GGL|T | suckass Killeen, TX |
| 06:09:40 | W|GGL|T | 40 mi sw of Waco |
| 06:09:42 | sig | I've noticed though, there are more linux pot smokers at these parties than any other OS users... |
| 06:09:44 | sig | hehe |
| 06:09:50 | Speedy2 | W|GGL|T: Jesus, sorry man. I'm in Richardson, TX |
| 06:09:50 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 06:10:11 | Speedy2 | W|GGL|T: Texas sucks, period. |
| 06:10:12 | W|GGL|T | where's that at exactly...still getting to know the layout of this state |
| 06:10:19 | W|GGL|T | that is SOOO true |
| 06:10:26 | Speedy2 | W|GGL|T: Plano area. "North Dallas" |
| 06:10:29 | jmhodges | sigh.. |
| 06:10:32 | jmhodges | im going to be in dorms |
| 06:10:34 | W|GGL|T | if it weren't for Ft. Hood, we wouldn't be here |
| 06:10:35 | jmhodges | im so happy |
| 06:10:46 | Speedy2 | W|GGL|T: Explain. |
| 06:10:46 | W|GGL|T | ahhh...we visit DFW often |
| 06:10:47 | jmhodges | i got my classes registered today |
| 06:10:54 | jmhodges | and got some textbooks.. |
| 06:10:56 | Speedy2 | W|GGL|T: Really? Maybe we should so something. |
| 06:10:57 | jmhodges | im fscking happy |
| 06:10:58 | sig | lol Speedy2 I listen to Plano police on that realplayer scanner.com chanel |
| 06:10:58 | sig | lol |
| 06:11:02 | jmhodges | DFW? |
| 06:11:04 | W|GGL|T | Speedy2: wife's in the US Army...stationed at Ft. Hood |
| 06:11:09 | Speedy2 | Dallas / Ft. Worth |
| 06:11:18 | Speedy2 | W|GGL|T: Interesting. |
| 06:11:36 | Speedy2 | W|GGL|T: I'll warn you, I'm not the typical Texan -- gasp, I don't like beer. |
| 06:11:51 | jmhodges | W|GGL|T: where is the pda page? im not seeing it on your links? |
| 06:12:28 | W|GGL|T | yeah, we could do something when i next visit dallas...my wife is currently on a 6-month business trip tho, so ive little time to spare (except after the kids go to bed) since i've two rugrats to care for on my own |
| 06:12:32 | jmhodges | n/m |
| 06:12:38 | W|GGL|T | you dont like beer???? |
| 06:12:42 | W|GGL|T | jmhodges: found it? |
| 06:12:46 | jmhodges | yep |
| 06:12:50 | W|GGL|T | its a deep link :o) |
| 06:12:52 | jmhodges | duh.. computing :) |
| 06:12:55 | W|GGL|T | i should fix that |
| 06:13:05 | Speedy2 | W|GGL|T: Correct, I don't like beer. |
| 06:13:11 | W|GGL|T | dayam! |
| 06:13:15 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 06:13:26 | sig | I love beer |
| 06:13:34 | sig | northwest micro brews |
| 06:13:36 | sig | hehehe |
| 06:13:48 | W|GGL|T | what do you drink? |
| 06:13:53 | sig | dark beers |
| 06:13:54 | sig | :) |
| 06:14:05 | sig | drools thinking of beer |
| 06:14:06 | W|GGL|T | likes dark beers with lots of flavor |
| 06:14:13 | W|GGL|T | i'd drink one but its rather late |
| 06:14:18 | W|GGL|T | awwww...fuq it |
| 06:14:19 | jmhodges | beer blows |
| 06:14:20 | sig | W|GGL|T: you would love this dark beer called |
| 06:14:25 | jmhodges | :/ |
| 06:14:25 | jmhodges | really dont like it |
| 06:14:25 | sig | 'tatanka' |
| 06:14:57 | Speedy_two | re |
| 06:14:58 | Speedy_two | Damn cable modem |
| 06:15:15 | jmhodges | pbbt |
| 06:15:20 | jmhodges | damn dialup |
| 06:15:38 | jmhodges | dialup users are the only ones allowed to complain about their interent connection resetting temporalrily |
| 06:15:43 | W|GGL|T | Speedy_two: what do you drink? |
| 06:15:50 | W|GGL|T | lol jmhodges |
| 06:16:00 | sig | W|GGL|T: here is my favorite beer in the whole world!! http://www.bjsbrewhouse.com/brewery_page/beerprofiles/profile_tatonka.html |
| 06:16:00 | W|GGL|T | loves japanese beer alot |
| 06:16:05 | W|GGL|T | expensive as hell tho |
| 06:16:37 | W|GGL|T | just saw a lizard run across his kitchen floor |
| 06:16:41 | sig | I lived in Okinawa Japan for 1 year and 1 month |
| 06:16:42 | W|GGL|T | w |
| 06:16:42 | W|GGL|T | t |
| 06:16:42 | jmhodges | jesus.. |
| 06:16:43 | W|GGL|T | f |
| 06:16:44 | jmhodges | LOL |
| 06:16:47 | sig | I hate their beer |
| 06:16:52 | jmhodges | welcome to Texas@! |
| 06:17:00 | jmhodges | actually |
| 06:17:06 | W|GGL|T | i fukkin hate this place |
| 06:17:07 | jmhodges | Welcome to the SouthWest! |
| 06:17:15 | W|GGL|T | now lizards, in my house |
| 06:17:21 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 06:17:21 | Speedy_two | jmhodges: Are you in Texas too? |
| 06:17:24 | jmhodges | nope |
| 06:17:31 | W|GGL|T | i think im going to complain to the rental office |
| 06:17:31 | vilmund | I loved lowenbrau zurich when I used to drink |
| 06:17:33 | jmhodges | i lived in Az for the first 6 months :) |
| 06:17:36 | Speedy_two | W|GGL|T: Actually, I'm not a huge alcohol fan...But I like mixed drinks. |
| 06:17:43 | jmhodges | W|GGL|T: hehe theylll just say "so?" |
| 06:17:52 | sig | W|GGL|T: lol lizards!?!?! |
| 06:18:14 | jmhodges | damn Rhode Island Ice Tea |
| 06:18:19 | jmhodges | thats some goood shit |
| 06:18:20 | W|GGL|T | jmhodges: if they say that, they're gonna get an earful and maybe a call from a local lawyer |
| 06:18:21 | Speedy_two | W|GGL|T: Lizards aren't too uncommon -- be happy they're there, they will keep the fly population down. |
| 06:18:21 | jmhodges | :) |
| 06:18:31 | jmhodges | no flys in th eSouthWest |
| 06:18:32 | jmhodges | right? |
| 06:18:40 | jmhodges | i heard theres no flying bugs |
| 06:18:43 | W|GGL|T | i dunno about lizards...spiders and cockroaches ive already seen here |
| 06:18:46 | jmhodges | from my aunt that lives there |
| 06:18:47 | W|GGL|T | even mice |
| 06:19:08 | W|GGL|T | but lizards cut the cake |
| 06:19:13 | jmhodges | hehehe |
| 06:19:14 | jmhodges | dude |
| 06:19:17 | jmhodges | get used to it |
| 06:19:24 | jmhodges | they're everywhere in a desert :) |
| 06:19:32 | W|GGL|T | wonder if they make lizard traps |
| 06:19:32 | jmhodges | and you are in a desert |
| 06:19:37 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 06:19:39 | jmhodges | maybe |
| 06:19:41 | sig | W|GGL|T: you need to move to where I live |
| 06:19:42 | sig | :) |
| 06:19:47 | sig | best place in the world |
| 06:19:55 | W|GGL|T | the last thing i need is a lizard tail hanging out my pre-toddler's mouth |
| 06:20:02 | W|GGL|T | sig: where again? |
| 06:20:17 | sig | Vancouver Washington (the state) |
| 06:20:34 | W|GGL|T | we had the chance to move to Wash state |
| 06:20:41 | sig | right across the river from Portland Oregon |
| 06:20:44 | W|GGL|T | i think i would have enjoyed it |
| 06:20:50 | sig | you would have loved it |
| 06:20:58 | sig | lots of computer shit here |
| 06:21:23 | sig | lol, Bill Gates lives here |
| 06:21:24 | sig | hehehe |
| 06:21:27 | W|GGL|T | isn't redmond in wash |
| 06:21:30 | sig | bastard!! |
| 06:21:33 | W|GGL|T | lol...you answered that |
| 06:21:37 | sig | heh |
| 06:21:57 | W|GGL|T | tatonka...lol...dances with wolves |
| 06:22:11 | sig | W|GGL|T: that shit has lots and lots of flavor |
| 06:22:22 | sig | it has a nice alcohol content too |
| 06:22:23 | sig | :) |
| 06:22:43 | W|GGL|T | the most flavor ive ever tasted is guiness stout |
| 06:22:56 | W|GGL|T | omg....my tastebuds threw a riot |
| 06:23:06 | sig | W|GGL|T: lol |
| 06:23:08 | sig | mine are now |
| 06:23:23 | jmhodges | W|GGL|T: whos Sara31 ? |
| 06:23:26 | sig | W|GGL|T: this shit puts guiness stout to shame... |
| 06:23:28 | W|GGL|T | it'd be cool to make your own beer |
| 06:23:44 | W|GGL|T | jmhodges: she's on this server, at #libranet and #lhf |
| 06:23:58 | W|GGL|T | sig: oh really? |
| 06:24:05 | siriusnov | sup |
| 06:24:06 | sig | W|GGL|T: I'm not joking dude |
| 06:24:13 | jmhodges | what is libranet and lhf |
| 06:24:18 | W|GGL|T | damn...i'd prolly gag on it then |
| 06:24:28 | sig | if I made my own beer the neighbor kids would probably go blind cause i made it wrong.... lol |
| 06:24:31 | W|GGL|T | libranet is a linux distribution |
| 06:24:39 | W|GGL|T | lol sig |
| 06:24:40 | jmhodges | oh duh ok right |
| 06:24:43 | jmhodges | and lhf? |
| 06:24:49 | W|GGL|T | and lhf is libranet help forum |
| 06:24:55 | siriusnov | linux... bleh |
| 06:25:12 | sig | damn... progeny is defunct |
| 06:25:15 | sig | that sucks |
| 06:25:22 | W|GGL|T | nothing wrong with linux |
| 06:25:31 | sig | they are telling their users to switch to woody |
| 06:25:37 | sig | progeny didn't last long |
| 06:25:49 | W|GGL|T | if you hate linux so much, you are probably on the wrong server :o) |
| 06:26:00 | jmhodges | W|GGL|T: reactivelinux link doesnt work (it links to your site and its broken) |
| 06:26:12 | jmhodges | WHO SAID THEY HATE LINUX! ;) |
| 06:26:14 | W|GGL|T | jmhodges: they are down...tech difficulties |
| 06:26:25 | siriusnov | real men use freebsd :oP |
| 06:26:33 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 06:26:35 | sig | W|GGL|T: i got the codeweavers crossover package... it runs all the office shit nicely |
| 06:26:36 | sig | :) |
| 06:26:43 | jmhodges | ok.. they are linked at your site .. kinda confusing. |
| 06:26:53 | siriusnov | heh heh |
| 06:27:12 | W|GGL|T | sig: ahh...haven't tried it...yet |
| 06:28:29 | siriusnov | smc makes some good hw |
| 06:28:46 | sig | W|GGL|T: whats your site url again? |
| 06:29:14 | jmhodges | hey codemnky |
| 06:29:27 | codemnky | yo |
| 06:29:27 | W|GGL|T | sig: www.wigglit.com |
| 06:29:32 | W|GGL|T | bought the domain :o) |
| 06:29:37 | sig | nice |
| 06:29:37 | siriusnov | i bought one of their gw, router, wap, all in one solution today. it's sweet |
| 06:29:44 | sig | W|GGL|T: where do you work? |
| 06:30:04 | W|GGL|T | im jobless :o( my current job is at-home father |
| 06:30:15 | codemnky | not a bad looking home page |
| 06:30:16 | sig | W|GGL|T: thats a good job |
| 06:30:19 | sig | hehehe |
| 06:30:20 | codemnky | i've seen much worse |
| 06:30:27 | W|GGL|T | sigq: very very demanding |
| 06:30:32 | codemnky | that's a joke |
| 06:30:35 | sig | I bet |
| 06:30:36 | W|GGL|T | been at it for 3+ years |
| 06:30:42 | codemnky | heh |
| 06:30:46 | jmhodges | shit.. |
| 06:30:48 | jmhodges | hm.. |
| 06:30:51 | siriusnov | wern't you in the army |
| 06:30:56 | W|GGL|T | yeah |
| 06:30:57 | siriusnov | ? |
| 06:30:58 | jmhodges | wonder why Konq icon didnt show when i restarted opie |
| 06:31:03 | sig | W|GGL|T: I need to talk to my lady and see if i can stay home... hehehe |
| 06:31:04 | siriusnov | k |
| 06:31:13 | sig | I was in the marine corps |
| 06:31:16 | W|GGL|T | the jobs i held in the army were sorta...specialized |
| 06:31:34 | W|GGL|T | sig: oh really? ahh...that explains okinawa |
| 06:31:34 | jmhodges | is EVERYONE on irc IN THE ARMY or AFFLIATED in some way to it? |
| 06:31:35 | codemnky | air force here |
| 06:31:36 | jmhodges | jesus.. |
| 06:31:41 | jmhodges | i had a dad that was USAF |
| 06:31:42 | sig | W|GGL|T: yup |
| 06:31:42 | W|GGL|T | LOL |
| 06:31:55 | siriusnov | haha |
| 06:32:03 | codemnky | was getting out when desert storm was starting up |
| 06:32:09 | jmhodges | codemnky: hehe |
| 06:32:12 | W|GGL|T | was recently at Camp Zama, Japan for 3 years |
| 06:32:18 | codemnky | they asked me if i wanted to stay but i had already shut the door behind me |
| 06:32:20 | W|GGL|T | codemnky: ahh...how long were you in? |
| 06:32:23 | W|GGL|T | i got out in 95 |
| 06:32:27 | codemnky | 4 year |
| 06:32:28 | codemnky | s |
| 06:32:31 | jmhodges | well fuck |
| 06:32:34 | siriusnov | my cousin is in the FBI |
| 06:32:37 | jmhodges | my konq install went bad |
| 06:32:38 | W|GGL|T | did 10 |
| 06:32:41 | codemnky | i got out in 92 |
| 06:32:45 | sig | W|GGL|T: i got out in 2000 i was in from 1996-2000 |
| 06:32:49 | W|GGL|T | siriusnov: i applied to the FBI when i got out |
| 06:32:50 | siriusnov | :oP |
| 06:32:57 | siriusnov | cool |
| 06:32:57 | codemnky | damn i'm getting old |
| 06:33:00 | W|GGL|T | didn't have enough college |
| 06:33:11 | siriusnov | sucky |
| 06:33:11 | sig | W|GGL|T: I have my degree now |
| 06:33:13 | W|GGL|T | sig: ahh |
| 06:33:13 | sig | 2 year |
| 06:33:23 | codemnky | cool |
| 06:33:37 | siriusnov | im still in college |
| 06:33:40 | jmhodges | oooh i know why |
| 06:33:49 | jmhodges | i installed konq in mtdram |
| 06:33:53 | codemnky | the best thing about the ait force is beer was cheap |
| 06:33:57 | W|GGL|T | could finish his 2 yr degree next year IF he can get away from the kids |
| 06:33:58 | codemnky | air |
| 06:33:58 | jmhodges | what should i put in PATH |
| 06:33:59 | jmhodges | ? |
| 06:34:21 | siriusnov | gotta run |
| 06:34:22 | W|GGL|T | codemnky: hehe...yeah...i still get my beer at the Class VI |
| 06:34:25 | W|GGL|T | later siriusnov |
| 06:34:27 | codemnky | they didn't promote alchohol, they just sold it at a reasonable price |
| 06:35:10 | W|GGL|T | my wife's at fort macdill right now |
| 06:35:26 | W|GGL|T | working at centcom with the terror war effort |
| 06:35:34 | codemnky | really |
| 06:35:38 | codemnky | interesting |
| 06:35:38 | W|GGL|T | yeah |
| 06:35:43 | codemnky | what are they doing exactly? |
| 06:35:44 | W|GGL|T | 6 month deployment |
| 06:35:46 | W|GGL|T | sucks |
| 06:35:58 | W|GGL|T | codemnky: she doesn't tell me much |
| 06:36:20 | W|GGL|T | that really sucks too...when we were both in (we held the same job description), we would share info |
| 06:36:22 | codemnky | there are no nuclear weapons in shrevport, LA also |
| 06:36:26 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 06:36:39 | codemnky | that's what i'm supposed to say anuhow |
| 06:36:45 | codemnky | 8^) |
| 06:37:02 | codemnky | shhh |
| 06:37:19 | W|GGL|T | you can tell me but you'd have to kill me afterward, eh? |
| 06:37:38 | codemnky | i weas a bomb systems navigation specilist |
| 06:37:42 | sig | http://sig.ath.cx/pictures/ <-- look at some of my pictures of while i was in the Marines |
| 06:38:02 | W|GGL|T | man, if i wake up with a lizard in my bed, im gonna convert to islam and go postal on the rental office |
| 06:38:13 | codemnky | it didn't really hit me until afterwords i was making sure the bomb hit the target |
| 06:38:13 | sig | lol |
| 06:38:28 | jmhodges | oh fsck |
| 06:38:30 | jmhodges | dammit |
| 06:38:38 | codemnky | i guess that's better than missing |
| 06:38:44 | sig | http://sig.ath.cx/pictures/poorkids.jpg <-- that picture is of us giving little poor kids in the Philipines money |
| 06:39:03 | sig | http://sig.ath.cx/pictures/ |
| 06:39:23 | W|GGL|T | my wife is from the philippines |
| 06:39:39 | sig | that was in Cebu |
| 06:39:59 | codemnky | cool pictures |
| 06:40:35 | sig | thanks |
| 06:40:36 | W|GGL|T | wants to visit the philippines sometime in the near future |
| 06:40:47 | sig | W|GGL|T: it was awesome while i was there |
| 06:40:52 | sig | people are so nice |
| 06:40:56 | W|GGL|T | you have fun there? i just know you checked out the bar scenes :o) |
| 06:41:10 | W|GGL|T | ive heard alot of wild stories |
| 06:41:16 | codemnky | me too |
| 06:41:20 | sig | W|GGL|T: the bar scenes were the best in Pattia Beach Thailand |
| 06:41:21 | codemnky | my dad told me some |
| 06:41:21 | W|GGL|T | my wife prolly would keep me on a tight leash |
| 06:41:21 | sig | hehe |
| 06:41:22 | W|GGL|T | hehe |
| 06:41:27 | codemnky | maybe that's why i'm so screwed up |
| 06:41:28 | codemnky | ;) |
| 06:41:30 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 06:41:48 | sig | but yeah, the bar seen was cool in Cebu Phillipines |
| 06:41:54 | jmhodges | dammmmmn |
| 06:42:06 | codemnky | but i live in miami, it gets weird over here too |
| 06:42:08 | jmhodges | anyone here with OZ every installed to the mtdram and made the Icon show up? |
| 06:42:09 | sig | the women in all the countries are great though |
| 06:42:13 | W|GGL|T | http://sig.ath.cx/pictures/buddies.jpg |
| 06:42:22 | W|GGL|T | damn, you guys look like ruffnecks |
| 06:42:28 | sig | W|GGL|T: we were |
| 06:42:41 | sig | I was in C company 1/5 weapns platoon |
| 06:42:41 | W|GGL|T | lol...i thought some army guys looked hard |
| 06:42:56 | W|GGL|T | you guys look as hard as diamonds |
| 06:42:58 | sig | I had to train my ass off to get to that battalion |
| 06:43:10 | codemnky | i worked hard in the USAF trying to avoid responsibility |
| 06:43:22 | jmhodges | lol |
| 06:43:24 | sig | you had to have the expert rifle badge to even be in that unit |
| 06:43:30 | sig | codemnky: lol |
| 06:43:45 | codemnky | i did try out for Combat Controller |
| 06:43:49 | sig | hah |
| 06:43:52 | codemnky | hear of that sig? |
| 06:44:00 | sig | codemnky: not in what i did |
| 06:44:01 | sig | lol |
| 06:44:13 | W|GGL|T | likes the way the marines train |
| 06:44:18 | sig | I was in operation stabalize/warden in 1999 in East-Timor Indonesia |
| 06:44:22 | codemnky | the USAF only offered 2 special forces type of units |
| 06:44:30 | codemnky | conbat control and pararesuce |
| 06:44:30 | jmhodges | W|GGL|T: WHY? |
| 06:44:51 | sig | I did all the high speed shit, jumping from helicopters, repelling into triple canopy forests, dessert shit all of it |
| 06:44:51 | codemnky | i lasted 5 weeks |
| 06:45:02 | sig | I was even in Kuwait in 1997 for 3 months |
| 06:45:09 | W|GGL|T | jmhodges: the standard of training seems harder but standardized...not so with the army...its lax at some units, hard at others |
| 06:45:12 | codemnky | that's cool |
| 06:45:40 | W|GGL|T | didn't do any high speed schooling or official training |
| 06:45:45 | sig | I got some really bad ass pics that I should scan and show you guys some time |
| 06:46:00 | sig | some dudes that got smoked |
| 06:46:01 | sig | hehehe |
| 06:46:03 | W|GGL|T | the only pic i have of me training was at an opfor range |
| 06:46:10 | W|GGL|T | firing an ak |
| 06:46:12 | codemnky | you didn't have to shoot anyone i hope |
| 06:46:15 | sig | hah |
| 06:46:24 | sig | :) |
| 06:46:25 | jmhodges | thinks ground troopers are weird |
| 06:46:32 | jmhodges | but im biased |
| 06:46:37 | sig | lol |
| 06:46:39 | jmhodges | im used to cocksure USAF pilots |
| 06:46:41 | W|GGL|T | oh..ive got some pics of when i was deployed to Operation Uphold Democracy |
| 06:46:45 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 06:46:50 | W|GGL|T | flyboys |
| 06:47:04 | W|GGL|T | you watch too much Top Gun :oP |
| 06:47:09 | codemnky | my dad was a 'flyboy' |
| 06:47:14 | jmhodges | no i had a dad in the USAF |
| 06:47:14 | codemnky | and he's a weird fucker |
| 06:47:15 | jmhodges | :) |
| 06:47:18 | sig | I lived on the U.S.S Belleawood for 9 months once |
| 06:47:28 | W|GGL|T | my dad was a logistics freak |
| 06:47:30 | sig | let me grab the pic of my living conditions while aboard that piece of shit |
| 06:47:37 | jmhodges | W|GGL|T: saved the armys ass more than once buddy boy ;) |
| 06:47:40 | jmhodges | USAF that is |
| 06:48:06 | W|GGL|T | his career culmination was being head enlisted person of Ft. Belvoir, VA |
| 06:48:11 | jmhodges | cool |
| 06:48:17 | W|GGL|T | jmhodges: LOL |
| 06:48:28 | W|GGL|T | AF can't capture land tho :oP |
| 06:48:51 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 06:48:57 | W|GGL|T | can't see living on a ship that long |
| 06:49:03 | codemnky | when i got out of the usaf we both had an understanding we wouldn't be contacting each other again |
| 06:49:10 | codemnky | we didn't get along much |
| 06:49:11 | W|GGL|T | dayam |
| 06:49:14 | jmhodges | now that is almost as crazy as SEAL/marines/etc |
| 06:49:20 | jmhodges | i dont know which is crazier |
| 06:49:25 | W|GGL|T | i didnt get along with my dad until AFTER i joined the Army |
| 06:49:48 | codemnky | we both as in me and the usaf |
| 06:49:50 | jmhodges | no way in hell im going in |
| 06:49:56 | jmhodges | heheh codemnky |
| 06:50:25 | W|GGL|T | my dad pinned my corporal an sergeant stripes on |
| 06:50:39 | jmhodges | cool wiggie |
| 06:50:40 | codemnky | that's cool |
| 06:50:42 | W|GGL|T | and coached me when preparing for promotion boards |
| 06:50:56 | W|GGL|T | there's no better coach than an E9 |
| 06:50:58 | W|GGL|T | hehe |
| 06:51:02 | codemnky | my dad was too busy being drunk that bastard |
| 06:51:05 | jmhodges | ok im going to go to bed .. and read my physics textbooks |
| 06:51:08 | W|GGL|T | daym |
| 06:51:14 | W|GGL|T | later jmhodges |
| 06:51:17 | sig | W|GGL|T: i got some pics for you now |
| 06:51:17 | codemnky | later |
| 06:51:17 | jmhodges | is such a physics geek |
| 06:51:20 | jmhodges | later guys |
| 06:51:25 | W|GGL|T | flicks a lizard onto jmhodges' bed |
| 06:51:26 | sig | http://sig.ath.cx/pictures/ |
| 06:51:33 | sig | go there and look at all of them now |
| 06:51:41 | sig | I saw quite a bit of action |
| 06:51:42 | W|GGL|T | http://sig.ath.cx/pictures/dessetlook.jpg |
| 06:51:44 | W|GGL|T | where is that? |
| 06:51:49 | W|GGL|T | NTC? |
| 06:51:50 | sig | kuwait |
| 06:51:56 | W|GGL|T | oh...you were there? |
| 06:52:01 | W|GGL|T | after DS? |
| 06:52:02 | sig | in 1997 |
| 06:52:03 | codemnky | crazy |
| 06:52:05 | sig | yup |
| 06:52:08 | W|GGL|T | ahhh |
| 06:52:13 | W|GGL|T | im glad i didn't go back |
| 06:52:17 | W|GGL|T | that place sucked |
| 06:52:24 | sig | the coldday.jpg was in siberia |
| 06:52:29 | jmhodges | hehehe W|GGL|T |
| 06:52:33 | codemnky | that actually looks fun |
| 06:52:34 | W|GGL|T | damn...you been around |
| 06:52:38 | sig | it was like 2 in the afternoon and cold as a witches titty |
| 06:52:41 | W|GGL|T | that's one place i havent been |
| 06:53:08 | W|GGL|T | http://sig.ath.cx/pictures/urbansanfran.jpg |
| 06:53:14 | W|GGL|T | wtf type of camo is that? |
| 06:53:20 | W|GGL|T | the uniforms? |
| 06:53:28 | W|GGL|T | lemme guess |
| 06:53:30 | W|GGL|T | urban |
| 06:53:30 | codemnky | you guys hitting the bottled water pretty hard i see |
| 06:53:33 | sig | the: urbansanfran.jpg was during some a urban training operation in sanfrancisco I'm front right |
| 06:53:37 | W|GGL|T | ahhh |
| 06:53:45 | sig | codemnky: we had been up for like 45 hours |
| 06:53:49 | codemnky | damn |
| 06:54:02 | W|GGL|T | holy shit |
| 06:54:02 | codemnky | i hope it's caffinated water |
| 06:54:04 | sig | we were training there with the Royal British Marines |
| 06:54:05 | W|GGL|T | http://sig.ath.cx/pictures/birthing.jpg |
| 06:54:16 | W|GGL|T | sardines! |
| 06:54:22 | codemnky | you sleep in a filing cabniet |
| 06:54:25 | sig | W|GGL|T: yeah, that pic was of the shitty racks we slept in on the U.S.S Belleawood |
| 06:54:31 | sig | codemnky: just about |
| 06:54:33 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 06:54:37 | sig | hehe |
| 06:54:42 | W|GGL|T | damn...you dont have enough space to get wood |
| 06:54:51 | sig | W|GGL|T: lol, you mange |
| 06:54:53 | sig | lol |
| 06:55:00 | codemnky | you like the people you reported to while you were in? |
| 06:55:23 | W|GGL|T | hell no |
| 06:55:23 | sig | rule number one about goin on ship! bring lots of porn mags and tabacco products, even if you don't use tabacco |
| 06:55:25 | sig | lol |
| 06:55:28 | W|GGL|T | that's one of the reasons i got out |
| 06:55:31 | codemnky | that was my porblem, the people i reported to had mental problems. |
| 06:55:54 | codemnky | i could only handle my own |
| 06:55:57 | codemnky | mental problem |
| 06:56:10 | W|GGL|T | i saw the quality of NCOs and officers go to shit the 10 yrs i was in |
| 06:56:16 | W|GGL|T | didnt enjoy it anymore |
| 06:56:23 | sig | codemnky: W|GGL|T: I was in such a bad ass unit, we had to pass a bunch of psychological shit and physical crap just to get in |
| 06:56:31 | W|GGL|T | damn |
| 06:56:40 | W|GGL|T | that's the way it should be across the board |
| 06:56:40 | W|GGL|T | hehe |
| 06:56:49 | sig | W|GGL|T: I agree with you there |
| 06:56:51 | codemnky | that's how the 'combat control' was i tried out for in the usad |
| 06:56:51 | W|GGL|T | too many nutcases now |
| 06:56:53 | codemnky | usaf |
| 06:57:00 | sig | I see some of the shit that they enlist and it pisses me off!! |
| 06:57:10 | codemnky | from 5am to 7pm we ran eveywhere we went |
| 06:57:20 | codemnky | eveywhere |
| 06:57:40 | W|GGL|T | the only time i did that was when i was in BNCOC |
| 06:57:48 | codemnky | it sucked |
| 06:58:10 | codemnky | we'd be in pool with scuba gear on with instructors trying to drown us |
| 06:58:14 | sig | you ever ran 20 miles with about as much shit as you could possibly carry through soft dirt? |
| 06:58:15 | sig | hehehe |
| 06:58:31 | codemnky | no real action |
| 06:58:34 | codemnky | all trinaing |
| 06:58:35 | W|GGL|T | hell no |
| 06:58:37 | W|GGL|T | hehe |
| 06:58:39 | sig | in an actual deal |
| 06:58:41 | codemnky | training |
| 06:58:52 | codemnky | i can only imagine |
| 06:59:00 | W|GGL|T | well, in basic training, something like that :oP |
| 06:59:21 | codemnky | i'd need to bring along drugs for that, they prob wounld'nt approve, would they? |
| 06:59:22 | sig | codemnky: as scary as it was in some of the places I was at, once it was over and you were back in a safe place, you realize how bad ass it was... |
| 06:59:29 | sig | codemnky: lol |
| 07:00:09 | codemnky | :) |
| 07:00:12 | W|GGL|T | i think the scariest place ive been to was haiti |
| 07:00:35 | sig | W|GGL|T: that place is a mess still |
| 07:00:41 | codemnky | the scariest place i've been is downtown miami at about 3am |
| 07:00:45 | W|GGL|T | other than Saudi, that was the only place where there was a good possibility that I would bust a cap in some haitian's anus |
| 07:00:46 | sig | funken dump of a country |
| 07:00:54 | sig | codemnky: LMAO |
| 07:01:02 | W|GGL|T | dude, that place really smells |
| 07:01:13 | W|GGL|T | the whole country smells like dung |
| 07:01:17 | sig | W|GGL|T: east-timor, I got some trigger time |
| 07:01:20 | W|GGL|T | we weren't allowed to sleep on the ground |
| 07:01:21 | codemnky | that's bad |
| 07:01:31 | W|GGL|T | for fear of disease |
| 07:01:37 | sig | W|GGL|T: yeah, |
| 07:01:48 | W|GGL|T | damn, you went to east timor? |
| 07:02:08 | W|GGL|T | dude, you must have a shitload of ribbons |
| 07:02:09 | sig | when i was in east-timor if some dirt ball started to get close to me I would muzzle him with my rifle to let him know to stay the fuck away from me |
| 07:02:14 | codemnky | you know what's really funny |
| 07:02:19 | codemnky | and i'm being serious |
| 07:02:23 | W|GGL|T | i bet |
| 07:02:31 | codemnky | i joined the USAF to get out of the USA |
| 07:02:37 | sig | codemnky: lol |
| 07:02:39 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 07:02:42 | codemnky | i lived in texas |
| 07:02:42 | W|GGL|T | best way to travel |
| 07:02:44 | sig | you never left did you |
| 07:02:50 | W|GGL|T | all expense paid trips |
| 07:02:51 | W|GGL|T | hehehe |
| 07:03:00 | sig | haha |
| 07:03:01 | codemnky | they sent me across the border to louisana |
| 07:03:07 | sig | lmao |
| 07:03:09 | codemnky | i was pissed |
| 07:03:09 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 07:03:20 | sig | I really enjoyed my time in |
| 07:03:25 | codemnky | i did to |
| 07:03:34 | codemnky | but i would have liked to travel |
| 07:03:34 | sig | but I decided to get out and have a normal life |
| 07:03:43 | sig | codemnky: you should have joined the navy |
| 07:03:45 | sig | lol |
| 07:03:48 | W|GGL|T | my first 3 years were all Colorado, then i reupped and reclassed and ended up going to shitholes |
| 07:03:56 | codemnky | it was pretty funny, i could have walked there |
| 07:04:02 | codemnky | i didn;t need to join the usaf |
| 07:04:05 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 07:04:08 | sig | haha |
| 07:04:24 | codemnky | with my job there was a chance i'd go to guam |
| 07:04:31 | codemnky | that's what i was hoping for |
| 07:04:44 | codemnky | maybe that's not such a good idea |
| 07:04:47 | W|GGL|T | i joined to get away from my dad...then ended up going to the same post and major command he was in |
| 07:04:56 | codemnky | heh |
| 07:04:57 | W|GGL|T | guam is nice, i hear |
| 07:05:06 | sig | I've been out a little over two years, have my 2 year degree (still going) work for a foster group home, and am trying to become a cop |
| 07:05:07 | W|GGL|T | like the asian countries |
| 07:05:32 | codemnky | what required to become a cop |
| 07:05:35 | codemnky | what's |
| 07:05:52 | sig | here is a 2 year degree, but it is waved anyways with my military shit |
| 07:05:58 | sig | 4 years active duty wavers it |
| 07:06:01 | W|GGL|T | most cop places here will accept most military type training |
| 07:06:09 | sig | W|GGL|T: yeah |
| 07:06:22 | W|GGL|T | although state troopers and fed agencies seem to want MP experience |
| 07:06:37 | codemnky | they'd prob want me to be an undercover cop |
| 07:06:47 | sig | I'm number one on the police department here and am just waiting on the last interview (chiefs interview) then I'll have to do the psychological eval and a polygraph |
| 07:06:52 | W|GGL|T | wants to work with the Marshalls as an intel analyst |
| 07:07:02 | sig | codemnky: smoke all the drug dealers out of hiding |
| 07:07:02 | sig | lol |
| 07:07:05 | W|GGL|T | LOL |
| 07:07:06 | codemnky | hehe |
| 07:07:21 | codemnky | that's an interesting profession |
| 07:07:27 | codemnky | why do you want to be a cop? |
| 07:07:30 | W|GGL|T | made me think of that movie Half Baked |
| 07:07:41 | codemnky | oh i love that moive |
| 07:07:48 | W|GGL|T | i'd like to be a cop but it'd worry my wife too much |
| 07:08:10 | sig | codemnky: I'm not sure, I just feel like I want to help people, and I think that I have the training it takes for just about any situation there is.... |
| 07:08:10 | codemnky | why? |
| 07:08:13 | W|GGL|T | being a cop would make me feel like i was making a difference in society |
| 07:08:24 | W|GGL|T | not like working some shitty admin job |
| 07:08:48 | codemnky | so it boils down to helping people |
| 07:08:58 | codemnky | well one good thing is |
| 07:09:00 | W|GGL|T | plus, being able to bust some caps like i did when i was in the army! |
| 07:09:04 | sig | I like people to |
| 07:09:04 | sig | hehehe |
| 07:09:06 | sig | see my woman has a dangerous job..... she's an elementary school teacher |
| 07:09:06 | W|GGL|T | hehe |
| 07:09:22 | W|GGL|T | ack |
| 07:09:25 | codemnky | even if you don't become cops, that won't stop you from helping people |
| 07:09:33 | sig | codemnky: true |
| 07:09:45 | sig | I don't know what else i would want to do.... |
| 07:09:53 | W|GGL|T | my sister works in a reformed school...i worry about her everyday |
| 07:09:56 | codemnky | hey admins help people |
| 07:09:59 | codemnky | da,mnit |
| 07:10:02 | codemnky | damnit |
| 07:10:04 | codemnky | ;) |
| 07:10:05 | sig | besides be a bumb and sit in front of this computer everyday |
| 07:10:27 | codemnky | yea, i would actually like to try something new as well |
| 07:10:32 | sig | I would like to win the lottery |
| 07:10:35 | W|GGL|T | cops get their hands dirtier than most othe professions when it comes to helping people |
| 07:10:37 | sig | lol |
| 07:10:39 | codemnky | i'm having to move from miami to los angeles |
| 07:10:42 | W|GGL|T | them, and firemen and such |
| 07:10:48 | codemnky | because of my 'admin' job |
| 07:10:55 | sig | codemnky: where do you work? |
| 07:11:23 | W|GGL|T | hates admin work but notices its one of his more marketable job skills |
| 07:11:25 | codemnky | i was the cto of mycity.com which is now owned by 411web.com |
| 07:11:49 | sig | not 420web.com |
| 07:11:54 | codemnky | i'm a linux, perl, apache, mysql junkie |
| 07:11:57 | sig | lol |
| 07:12:18 | W|GGL|T | i tried learning perl but got fed up |
| 07:12:19 | codemnky | but i'd love to get paid for doing something else |
| 07:12:25 | sig | lol |
| 07:12:27 | codemnky | pelr is fun |
| 07:12:39 | codemnky | man perl is cool |
| 07:12:45 | codemnky | give it another shot |
| 07:12:45 | W|GGL|T | its about as fun as pulling your own teeth |
| 07:12:52 | codemnky | na |
| 07:12:59 | codemnky | it takes time |
| 07:13:01 | sig | likes perl |
| 07:13:13 | W|GGL|T | i hate most coding :o) |
| 07:13:14 | sig | I was big into bots about 5 months ago |
| 07:13:39 | codemnky | without perl i'd be sacking food at the grocery |
| 07:13:42 | codemnky | ;) |
| 07:13:45 | sig | codemnky: lol |
| 07:13:49 | sig | brb, need some water |
| 07:13:55 | sig | it is hot as a MOFO |
| 07:14:07 | W|GGL|T | my major is computer technoloty with a focus on programming and after taking a C++ class, i changed my mind |
| 07:14:18 | W|GGL|T | need to see if the GI Bill folks will let me change my major |
| 07:14:36 | W|GGL|T | got an A in the course but it ruined me |
| 07:14:37 | W|GGL|T | hehe |
| 07:14:56 | codemnky | i skipped C and C++ |
| 07:15:04 | codemnky | i went stright for perl |
| 07:15:08 | codemnky | striaght |
| 07:15:46 | sig | codemnky: do you know any c or c++? |
| 07:15:52 | W|GGL|T | i guess what really turned me off was that math isn't a strong trait for me and i found you had to be a bit strong in math in lots of cases |
| 07:16:23 | sig | W|GGL|T: with my GI Bill, I'm gettin 8 hundred buck a quarter for full time |
| 07:16:27 | codemnky | yes, but i prefer not to fool with it |
| 07:16:31 | codemnky | http://www.oddabon.com/chad/c64.jpg |
| 07:16:43 | W|GGL|T | being able to code is like trying to solve a puzzle |
| 07:16:43 | codemnky | them is my younger coding days |
| 07:16:55 | sig | lol, sweet |
| 07:17:16 | W|GGL|T | sig: yeah, i was going to school full time in CA...i just don't have time for it now |
| 07:17:31 | sig | what state are you in now? |
| 07:18:07 | W|GGL|T | and the way the college did it was that I had to pay tuition up front then they'd reimburse me...yeah, i'd get big checks but only because they were actually paying me back for what I first paid |
| 07:18:10 | W|GGL|T | sig: TX |
| 07:18:15 | sig | ack |
| 07:18:21 | codemnky | http://www.mycitynetworks.com/images/chad.new.jpgo.gif |
| 07:18:29 | codemnky | i have'nt changed much |
| 07:18:35 | sig | heh |
| 07:18:41 | W|GGL|T | that's another thing that sucks....my wife keeps getting assigned and i keep losing residency status |
| 07:18:44 | sig | I need a laptop |
| 07:19:02 | sig | W|GGL|T: what does she do for a job? |
| 07:19:03 | W|GGL|T | has a toshiba |
| 07:19:11 | W|GGL|T | sig: she's an intel analyst |
| 07:19:17 | sig | W|GGL|T: ah |
| 07:19:23 | W|GGL|T | and linguist |
| 07:19:37 | sig | as soon as i get some cash, I'm gonna get a laptop, and slap debian woody on it |
| 07:19:38 | codemnky | how man lang does she know? |
| 07:19:52 | codemnky | i got a new vaio and i love it |
| 07:20:02 | W|GGL|T | english, tagalog, and japanese |
| 07:20:15 | codemnky | you don't need cash man, finiance! |
| 07:20:20 | codemnky | cool |
| 07:20:21 | sig | W|GGL|T: is she from Menela ? |
| 07:20:29 | sig | or however you spell manella? |
| 07:20:35 | W|GGL|T | quezon city |
| 07:20:53 | sig | codemnky: you running linux on it? |
| 07:20:57 | sig | on the vaio |
| 07:21:17 | W|GGL|T | i guess i could finance my education |
| 07:21:27 | sig | that would be spendy |
| 07:21:33 | W|GGL|T | instead of totally relying on the gi bill |
| 07:21:45 | W|GGL|T | ive only 3 years left on it already |
| 07:21:52 | sig | my gi bill makes my car payment and other bills really |
| 07:21:58 | W|GGL|T | gotta use it before ive been out 10 yrs |
| 07:22:12 | codemnky | yes |
| 07:22:14 | sig | yup, there is that 10 year limit |
| 07:22:26 | codemnky | i had to get a commercial X server though |
| 07:22:32 | sig | what one? |
| 07:22:40 | W|GGL|T | that's sad...been out 7 years and only 1 yr of college to show for it |
| 07:22:45 | codemnky | XcelleratedX |
| 07:22:46 | codemnky | etc |
| 07:22:49 | W|GGL|T | oh...didn't think of a commercial X |
| 07:22:53 | sig | codemnky: what was the problem ? |
| 07:22:54 | W|GGL|T | i use framebuffer |
| 07:23:16 | sig | W|GGL|T: you have the intel graphics card in that toshiba? |
| 07:23:27 | W|GGL|T | X 4.2.0 is supposed to support the laptop's vidcard but i havent been able to get it to work |
| 07:23:38 | W|GGL|T | CyberAlladinT |
| 07:23:48 | W|GGL|T | or so called CyberbladeXP |
| 07:23:51 | W|GGL|T | POS |
| 07:23:59 | codemnky | the video card wasn't yet supported in Xfree86, it only has 1M of video ram and need special configuration to tell it to use regular memeory to give it 32M something like that |
| 07:24:00 | sig | hmm, there is a way around it, my friend has a toshiba and got x up without any commercial X\ |
| 07:24:26 | codemnky | i'm sure X free will support it soon |
| 07:24:30 | W|GGL|T | ive X up but i have to use the framebuffer |
| 07:24:36 | W|GGL|T | i hope so |
| 07:24:39 | codemnky | i grabbed a really new laptop |
| 07:24:42 | W|GGL|T | the FB isn't all that bad |
| 07:24:44 | codemnky | this happen to me before |
| 07:25:06 | codemnky | Xcellerated X has never let me down |
| 07:25:22 | codemnky | you can even ship them your laptop and they fix it for free just to learn the config |
| 07:25:37 | W|GGL|T | wow! |
| 07:26:15 | W|GGL|T | i had to guess the damn refresh rates |
| 07:26:19 | W|GGL|T | like playing roulette |
| 07:26:31 | sig | W|GGL|T: ouch, that sucks |
| 07:26:43 | sig | codemnky: how much did you pay for Xcellerated X ? |
| 07:26:58 | W|GGL|T | actually, i let suse set it up then went to a different distro...copied the config before i did tho |
| 07:27:10 | sig | heh |
| 07:27:28 | sig | didn't the laptop come with a manual that told the refresh rates? |
| 07:27:34 | codemnky | checking |
| 07:27:37 | W|GGL|T | now i post my config file on my pages to help the tosiba linux users |
| 07:27:44 | W|GGL|T | sig: no |
| 07:27:48 | sig | that sucks |
| 07:27:56 | W|GGL|T | yeah, i know |
| 07:28:12 | codemnky | i'm guessing 99 or so |
| 07:28:14 | sig | there is a site that tells you which laptops to get |
| 07:28:16 | codemnky | looking it up |
| 07:28:18 | sig | codemnky: cool |
| 07:28:41 | sig | http://media.fastclick.net/w/get.media?sid=2626&m=1&d=f&v=1.0c&t=n&pageid=1 |
| 07:28:50 | sig | http://www.linuxlaptops.com/ll/ |
| 07:28:57 | W|GGL|T | yeah, ive used that site before |
| 07:29:20 | codemnky | http://www.xig.com/ |
| 07:29:31 | codemnky | they rock |
| 07:29:44 | sig | codemnky: yeah, ive seen that site before somewhere |
| 07:30:10 | W|GGL|T | brb...having a nicotine fit |
| 07:30:15 | codemnky | seen the movie jesus' son ? |
| 07:30:16 | sig | heh |
| 07:30:20 | sig | no |
| 07:30:26 | codemnky | very starnge |
| 07:30:31 | sig | new? |
| 07:30:45 | codemnky | prob a year old |
| 07:30:49 | sig | I just went and saw "minority report" with my woman last week |
| 07:31:02 | codemnky | yea that cool |
| 07:31:04 | sig | it was a good movie, i liked the transparent computer monitors |
| 07:31:26 | sig | Compaq Presario 1925 |
| 07:31:27 | sig | Product Rating: |
| 07:31:27 | sig | 5.0 |
| 07:31:27 | sig | |
| 07:31:27 | sig | |
| 07:31:27 | sig | |
| 07:31:29 | sig | |
| 07:31:32 | codemnky | the 3 people in the pool got alittle weird |
| 07:31:39 | sig | codemnky: yeah |
| 07:31:52 | codemnky | that could have been done better |
| 07:31:53 | sig | a bunch of drugged up fetal alcohol syndrome kids |
| 07:32:07 | codemnky | maybe not |
| 07:32:18 | sig | IBM thinkpads work very well with laptops it looks like |
| 07:32:20 | codemnky | now that you put it that way |
| 07:32:20 | sig | http://lhd.zdnet.com/superguides/laptops.html |
| 07:33:48 | sig | how much did you pay for you vaio? |
| 07:34:04 | codemnky | you don't want to know |
| 07:34:06 | codemnky | i got this |
| 07:34:09 | codemnky | http://www.sonystyle.com/home/item.jsp?hierc=9683x9695&itemid=40695 |
| 07:34:17 | codemnky | and still have;nt paid for it |
| 07:34:21 | sig | heh |
| 07:34:22 | codemnky | i think around $2300 |
| 07:34:26 | sig | shit!! |
| 07:34:30 | codemnky | can i aford it |
| 07:34:31 | codemnky | no |
| 07:34:34 | codemnky | do i care |
| 07:34:35 | codemnky | no |
| 07:34:37 | sig | not right now |
| 07:34:46 | sig | lol |
| 07:34:50 | sig | clicks add to cart |
| 07:34:54 | codemnky | i always figure out a way to pay the bills i guess |
| 07:35:14 | codemnky | thanks to my wife |
| 07:35:20 | codemnky | she's good with numbers |
| 07:35:26 | sig | heh |
| 07:35:30 | sig | yeah same with mine |
| 07:35:40 | sig | its like i ask her for allowance |
| 07:35:55 | sig | wow, check this site out |
| 07:35:58 | sig | http://www.linux-laptops.net/ |
| 07:36:02 | codemnky | lucky you, i get one automatically |
| 07:36:11 | codemnky | meaning |
| 07:36:20 | codemnky | i wish i had the option to ask |
| 07:36:22 | W|GGL|T | ahh...much better |
| 07:36:26 | codemnky | no worse |
| 07:36:28 | sig | damn, haha, i think the old fat ass laptops are so funny |
| 07:36:42 | sig | http://www.laptopworldwide.com/Search.bok?category=Toshiba |
| 07:37:12 | W|GGL|T | damn....those are cheap |
| 07:37:16 | W|GGL|T | http://www.linux-laptops.net/ |
| 07:37:26 | codemnky | http://www.oddabon.com/chad/radioshack.jpg |
| 07:37:44 | W|GGL|T | 's laptop--->http://www.wigglit.com/toshiba.html |
| 07:39:11 | sig | hah |
| 07:39:18 | sig | funny radio shack pic |
| 07:39:27 | sig | 8499 |
| 07:39:27 | sig | shit |
| 07:39:28 | sig | lol |
| 07:39:37 | sig | that thing isn't worth a drop of piss nowa days |
| 07:39:38 | sig | lol |
| 07:39:38 | codemnky | heh |
| 07:39:45 | codemnky | funny huh |
| 07:39:47 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 07:39:57 | codemnky | $8,500 |
| 07:40:01 | codemnky | can you beleieve that |
| 07:40:06 | sig | lightning fast 20 mhz |
| 07:40:07 | sig | lol |
| 07:40:57 | codemnky | you even have to pay extra for the monitor and mouse |
| 07:41:03 | sig | lol |
| 07:41:09 | sig | what a piece of shit |
| 07:41:11 | sig | lol |
| 07:41:44 | sig | apt-get upgrade ; apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 07:41:54 | sig | hehe, i do that evernight at this time |
| 07:41:59 | codemnky | heh |
| 07:42:01 | sig | right before i head to bed |
| 07:42:08 | codemnky | i'm out of here too |
| 07:42:10 | codemnky | later |
| 07:42:14 | W|GGL|T | yeah, its late |
| 07:42:20 | W|GGL|T | almost 3am |
| 07:42:22 | codemnky | see ya around |
| 07:42:22 | sig | I have school in the mornin |
| 07:42:25 | sig | cya |
| 07:42:31 | W|GGL|T | ive kids in the morn :o( |
| 07:42:34 | W|GGL|T | grr |
| 07:42:36 | sig | heh |
| 07:42:44 | W|GGL|T | o |
| 07:42:46 | sig | two more days till i can sleep in |
| 07:42:59 | W|GGL|T | i'll be glad when my wife comes back from tdy |
| 07:43:00 | sig | errr, never mind, i'll be at that damn lan party |
| 07:43:20 | W|GGL|T | hey, lan parties should be fun |
| 07:43:27 | W|GGL|T | sleep in afterward |
| 07:43:29 | W|GGL|T | heh |
| 07:43:34 | sig | I need to get my z out, I've been so busy i haven't had time to play with it |
| 07:43:46 | W|GGL|T | dont some lan parties have sleep areas? |
| 07:43:52 | sig | I need to download that sync .iso update too while i grab the new rom and crap |
| 07:44:01 | W|GGL|T | i haven't played with my Z since i removed OZ |
| 07:44:04 | sig | lol, i haven't seen a sleep arena yet |
| 07:44:33 | sig | where did you buy your z from? |
| 07:44:39 | W|GGL|T | best buy |
| 07:44:43 | sig | i got mine from there too |
| 07:44:52 | sig | 450 |
| 07:44:53 | W|GGL|T | bought the extended warranty too |
| 07:44:57 | sig | same here |
| 07:45:02 | W|GGL|T | doh...$499 here |
| 07:45:04 | sig | and a pretec cf network card |
| 07:45:12 | W|GGL|T | wifi? |
| 07:45:18 | sig | I have bought a bunch of shit |
| 07:45:27 | W|GGL|T | wants wifi so bad but that shit's expensive |
| 07:45:33 | sig | I have a wireless and cable |
| 07:45:50 | W|GGL|T | i rely on cable and ethernet to usb |
| 07:46:01 | sig | heh, yeah |
| 07:46:14 | W|GGL|T | ethernet thru the cradle defeats the purpose of a pda tho |
| 07:46:20 | W|GGL|T | nonmobile |
| 07:46:21 | sig | I can do bot, i have a wireless router |
| 07:46:38 | sig | err i can do both |
| 07:46:48 | sig | I can sit on the shitter and chat in irc with my z |
| 07:46:49 | W|GGL|T | when/if i get a job, i'll buy wireless |
| 07:46:52 | W|GGL|T | and a new car |
| 07:46:53 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 07:47:01 | sig | heh |
| 07:47:01 | W|GGL|T | lol sig! |
| 07:47:10 | W|GGL|T | irc on the toilet |
| 07:47:11 | W|GGL|T | hehe |
| 07:47:14 | sig | hehe |
| 07:47:46 | W|GGL|T | i bought a 50 ft cat5 cable so i can use my laptop in the living room |
| 07:47:51 | sig | but I have a regular CF pretec network card that I take with me with a cable when i go to school and places so i can hook up to the net |
| 07:47:52 | W|GGL|T | hehe...that's my wifi |
| 07:48:00 | W|GGL|T | ahh |
| 07:48:01 | sig | lol |
| 07:48:24 | sig | gaim is nice |
| 07:48:37 | sig | I have msn icq aim running nicely |
| 07:48:42 | sig | you got an IM? |
| 07:49:00 | W|GGL|T | all my IM addresses are on the XP box :o( |
| 07:49:09 | sig | you need to get gaim |
| 07:49:18 | sig | so you can run all of them at once on linux |
| 07:49:19 | W|GGL|T | i can use IM in linux but would have to transfer the addresses |
| 07:49:21 | sig | thats what i do |
| 07:49:30 | sig | i see |
| 07:49:36 | W|GGL|T | i use Trillian in XP...it's like that |
| 07:49:44 | sig | burn it to disk |
| 07:49:45 | W|GGL|T | yahoo, icq, msn, and others |
| 07:49:55 | sig | yeah, gaim supports all those too |
| 07:50:06 | Nadav | i use trillian on windows also |
| 07:50:14 | W|GGL|T | ive used gaim before...i usually use everybuddy tho |
| 07:50:16 | Nadav | it's not as ugly as it used to be |
| 07:50:19 | Nadav | and i like the logging |
| 07:50:21 | W|GGL|T | yeah |
| 07:50:28 | sig | well I'm heading to bed now W|GGL|T, I'll see you tomorrow |
| 07:50:30 | W|GGL|T | wish they'd port to linux |
| 07:50:34 | sig | is away | sleep |
| 07:50:39 | W|GGL|T | later sig...nice chatting |
| 07:50:45 | Nadav | cya sig |
| 07:50:55 | W|GGL|T | damn...i guess i should hit the bed too |
| 07:51:00 | W|GGL|T | got a bit of insomnia |
| 07:51:03 | Nadav | eek, and i just woke up |
| 07:51:12 | W|GGL|T | tired but wont go to sleep |
| 07:51:17 | sig | http://gaim.sourceforge.net/screenshots.php?file=jabber.gif |
| 07:51:21 | W|GGL|T | where you at? |
| 07:51:27 | sig | http://gaim.sourceforge.net/screenshots.php?file=msn_buddylist.gif |
| 07:51:27 | W|GGL|T | ahhh...jabber |
| 07:51:32 | Nadav | Israel right now |
| 07:51:32 | sig | ok im out for real now |
| 07:51:38 | sig | is sleeping for real this time |
| 07:51:45 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 07:51:47 | W|GGL|T | get out! |
| 07:51:49 | W|GGL|T | :oP |
| 07:52:33 | W|GGL|T | 5 more min and i'll make myself go to sleep |
| 07:52:50 | Nadav | heh |
| 08:00:59 | W|GGL|T | ok...i guess i should go to bed now |
| 08:01:03 | W|GGL|T | later Nadav |
| 08:01:09 | W|GGL|T | is away: nite all |
| 08:01:50 | Nadav | later W|GGL|T |
| 08:16:37 | noidd | thats bad |
| 08:25:35 | noidd | hehe, I'm getting a quote for a Z from a company called "Sunrise". Their PDA section doesn't open until 10am |
| 08:25:50 | Nadav | hm |
| 08:26:47 | noidd | I wonder if I should be scared. The only types of SD card memory that these people seem to sell is San Disk and something else called Dynac |
| 08:26:53 | noidd | or Dyn something |
| 08:27:03 | noidd | hey smee |
| 08:27:25 | noidd | San Disk is b0rked as we know... Dyn whatever seems to be unknown |
| 08:27:26 | Nadav | woah |
| 08:27:33 | Nadav | refurbished zaurus on newegg went down |
| 08:27:35 | Nadav | $300 now |
| 08:27:37 | smee | hey...anyone compiled perl for the Z? |
| 08:28:05 | noidd | smee: if you get it working - come to london.pm dim sum this lunchtime and show us ;-) |
| 08:28:15 | noidd | actually - come anyways :-) |
| 08:28:28 | smee | heh, ok...just thought I'd ask :) |
| 08:28:44 | noidd | smee: i'm sure its been done - I havnt done it yet |
| 08:29:04 | noidd | smee: as a perl proggy it will be my first application installed or port if it hasnt |
| 08:29:17 | noidd | proggyer even |
| 08:29:36 | smee | got some debian packages that work but I'd like to do something a bit more tidy |
| 08:29:51 | smee | proggyer indeed :) |
| 08:32:14 | smee | tries a bit last night...not there yet |
| 08:32:51 | noidd | smee: can i ask you who you bought your zaurus from? |
| 08:33:19 | smee | noidd: dabs.com |
| 08:33:35 | smee | noidd: how long have you had yours for noidd? |
| 08:34:04 | noidd | I havn't - buying one today |
| 08:34:18 | noidd | just looking for an SD card to go with it |
| 08:34:22 | smee | nice...how much for? |
| 08:34:32 | noidd | best quote I have so far is 420 inc |
| 08:34:55 | noidd | the 100$ price drop hasn't materialised this side of the pond yet |
| 08:35:17 | smee | ah...less than I paid last month, but still a lot more than in the us, yeah |
| 08:35:18 | noidd | got 398 inc VAT from one company - but they wanted me to buy 3 ;-0 |
| 08:35:49 | smee | heh, 2 for your friends |
| 08:36:07 | noidd | yeah - I dont have three palms |
| 08:36:20 | noidd | looking for a good price on sd cards now |
| 08:36:38 | smee | thinks about going to work |
| 08:36:45 | noidd | I'm buying it from Tot court road so if i get the Z and the Card in the same place I should be able to haggle the price down well |
| 08:36:52 | noidd | just need some ballpark figures |
| 08:37:07 | noidd | smee: there - you thought about it - thats commitment enough ;-) |
| 08:38:03 | smee | noidd: yeah, nice out in North London today though... cycling to work could be worth the effort |
| 08:38:42 | smee | but then I'd have to do some perl proggying |
| 08:40:51 | noidd | smee: you a london.pm peep |
| 08:40:58 | noidd | sure i recognise your nick |
| 08:41:48 | smee | er, no, must've stolen someone's nick :) |
| 08:42:04 | smee | I know a few'v'em though |
| 08:42:08 | noidd | hehe |
| 08:42:27 | noidd | most people do ;-) |
| 08:42:42 | noidd | london.pm is everywhere pretty much, scary thought. |
| 08:42:51 | smee | looks over shoulder |
| 08:44:17 | smee | think dabs still selling fot the same price I bought at |
| 08:44:25 | smee | hope the tt ct rd haggling goes well |
| 08:44:40 | noidd | dabs-- # Useless un-navigational website |
| 08:45:03 | noidd | you would have thought that you'd be able to show all sd cards wouldn't you |
| 08:45:27 | noidd | but no, since you cant specify zaurus as a PDA... you have to show ALL memory items |
| 08:45:35 | noidd | for every type of device on the planet |
| 08:45:39 | noidd | grumbles |
| 08:45:41 | smee | iswym, yeah |
| 08:46:44 | smee | I'm in the market for an sd, or maybe mmc, card today myself |
| 08:47:31 | noidd | what is mmc? |
| 08:47:41 | Nadav | multimedia card |
| 08:47:49 | Nadav | it's compatible with SD |
| 08:47:56 | noidd | oh |
| 08:48:00 | noidd | what is the difference? |
| 08:48:02 | smee | yeah with max capacity of 128MB I think |
| 08:49:31 | smee | mmc is a bit slower I think |
| 08:49:39 | noidd | ah, ok |
| 08:50:58 | smee | in a faq somewhere...cant find it atm |
| 08:51:15 | | bugger all, i dunno, noidd |
| 08:51:15 | noidd | ibot, mmc? |
| 08:51:22 | | i don't know, noidd |
| 08:51:22 | noidd | ibot, sd cards?? |
| 08:51:24 | | noidd: bugger all, i dunno |
| 08:51:24 | noidd | ibot, sd cards? |
| 08:51:30 | | noidd: what? |
| 08:51:30 | noidd | ibot, sd/ |
| 08:51:31 | | no idea, noidd |
| 08:51:31 | noidd | ibot, sd? |
| 08:51:39 | smee | heh |
| 08:52:37 | noidd | clobbers ibot with a wet haddock |
| 08:54:00 | smee | and sd cards have some copy protectetion stuff in them |
| 08:54:56 | noidd | hey Twiun |
| 08:55:04 | noidd | ah - you work for riversoft ;-) |
| 08:55:10 | noidd | I know them well - very well |
| 08:55:45 | smee | avoid the sandisk ones |
| 08:55:49 | fusion94- | is away: sleeping & stuff |
| 08:55:52 | smee | goes to work |
| 09:22:27 | Twiun | noiddFOOD: Yup, I'm a riversoftee ;-) |
| 09:22:43 | Twiun | noiddFOOD: How well is well? |
| 09:23:11 | Twiun | was listening to the CTO drone on and on... |
| 09:33:00 | noiddFOOD | Twiun: hehe, heard of redlite? |
| 09:33:21 | Twiun | I haven't, no... customer of ours? |
| 09:33:41 | noidd | no, Siemens / British Airways? |
| 09:33:48 | noidd | one of your flagship customers |
| 09:33:51 | Twiun | shrugs |
| 09:33:55 | Twiun | Ahhhh |
| 09:34:20 | noidd | you know that configuration management, split domain, discovery comparison pretty X application they got down there |
| 09:34:20 | Twiun | engineering don't get to know who the customers are usually |
| 09:34:29 | noidd | thats wot I wrote |
| 09:34:49 | noidd | then Riversoft released a press release saying they developed it |
| 09:34:53 | noidd | lying bastards :-) |
| 09:34:55 | Twiun | Ooooer... did you have to use our api? |
| 09:35:03 | noidd | but I dont expect you to respond to that ;-) |
| 09:35:10 | noidd | yeah - I know your perl API's pretty well |
| 09:35:11 | Twiun | noidd: marketing+lawyers=bunch of greedy bastards |
| 09:35:20 | Twiun | noidd: And you don't feel sullied? |
| 09:35:23 | noidd | they bought the IPR |
| 09:35:27 | noidd | then claimed they wrote it |
| 09:35:38 | noidd | nope - the perl API is really quite nice |
| 09:35:44 | noidd | Andy Rutter was a good guy |
| 09:35:56 | Twiun | noidd: be thankfull you didn't delve into the C++/Java one ;-) |
| 09:36:10 | Twiun | that CRivAtom junk.... *shiver* |
| 09:36:10 | noidd | I just love the "no support" disclaimer if you use the API's :-) |
| 09:36:36 | Twiun | I wasn't aware of that clause... esp seeing as support just seems to materialise ;-) |
| 09:36:41 | noidd | hehe |
| 09:37:02 | Twiun | was it built on v2? |
| 09:37:07 | noidd | Well, just removing nodes from the topology tends to completely fubar topo |
| 09:37:10 | noidd | yes, v2 |
| 09:37:14 | noidd | I have yet to see v3 |
| 09:37:24 | Twiun | That'll be the reason then... I'm exclusively working on v3 |
| 09:37:30 | Twiun | (all the guis are purple!) |
| 09:37:35 | Twiun | screams in anguish |
| 09:38:30 | noidd | I didn't think it was possible to overdose on purple *shrug* |
| 09:39:52 | noidd | so, you guys are putting in purchase orders for monochrome monitors? :-) |
| 09:40:13 | Twiun | purchase orders? I always thought our stuff was leased ;-) |
| 09:41:41 | noidd | Oh, the sex change case has just finished in the european courts |
| 09:42:07 | noidd | the right for people who have had sex changes to marry as their new sex has been given |
| 09:42:26 | noidd | Twiun: easier to liquidate the company then ;-) |
| 09:42:28 | noidd | ducks |
| 09:42:36 | Twiun | Woohoo, the road is now open for upper management to behave according to their inclinations then ;-) |
| 09:42:51 | Twiun | noidd: I'm sure that must have occured to them |
| 09:43:10 | noidd | i'm sure - its a hostile market out there |
| 09:43:49 | Twiun | yup, but jobs seem plentiful in Java - thankfully |
| 09:43:57 | noidd | you a java guy?: |
| 09:44:05 | noidd | cool - that why you jumped on the Z? |
| 09:44:11 | Twiun | noidd: Aha, the offer hasn't gone unconditional yet - I certainly couldn't comment |
| 09:44:17 | Twiun | yup |
| 09:44:25 | Twiun | but for personal reasons |
| 09:44:30 | noidd | honest |
| 09:44:31 | Twiun | sod the company |
| 09:45:03 | Twiun | I did offer it as a possible idea - and it got ignored... so screw them ;-) |
| 09:48:16 | Twiun | so my java contest entry (whenever they announce THAT) will be wholly unrelated to network management |
| 09:50:49 | noidd | cool ;-) |
| 09:50:57 | noidd | what was your java contest entry? |
| 09:51:22 | Twiun | it's not yet developped fully, so I can't say ;-) |
| 09:51:31 | noidd | haha |
| 09:52:09 | djax | Lo |
| 09:52:16 | Twiun | waves |
| 09:55:38 | noidd | ya know - I think palm have some clever web/mail stuff |
| 09:55:54 | noidd | I've been on their mailing list for something like 2 years now |
| 09:56:02 | noidd | and not received a mail from them in 6 months |
| 09:56:09 | noidd | I went to their website yesterday |
| 09:56:19 | Twiun | Hehehe |
| 09:56:33 | noidd | and suddenly I have special offers to purchase the items *I was looking at* on their website |
| 09:56:35 | noidd | very clever |
| 10:02:45 | Twiun | Morning Cloudchaser |
| 10:10:51 | noidd | hmm, fuel economy record is 10,255 miles per gallon |
| 10:11:13 | noidd | you would have thought that my car would be able to do better than 30 :-P |
| 10:13:26 | Wintre | Nah, the oil companies don't like that |
| 10:15:49 | noidd | indeed |
| 10:15:56 | Twiun | nods |
| 10:16:00 | noidd | would solve the Middle East problems tho |
| 10:16:08 | noidd | and the terrorism issues in one fell swoop |
| 10:16:22 | elge | hi all |
| 10:16:33 | noidd | right - heading to purchase |
| 10:16:34 | elge | wan i plug a keyboard ? |
| 10:16:35 | noidd | later |
| 10:16:44 | elge | on zaurus |
| 10:17:22 | elge | there is no usb on zaurus, so is there another way to plus a keyboard in ? |
| 10:17:31 | elge | s/plus/plug |
| 10:20:18 | Speedy2 | It does not have a USB *HOST* |
| 10:20:21 | Speedy2 | It does USB *SLAVE* |
| 10:20:40 | Speedy2 | So it CANNOT allow attachment of a USB keybaord |
| 11:12:29 | Cloudchaser | 'mornin |
| 11:12:45 | George- | hi Cloudchaser |
| 11:13:09 | Dilbert- | hi |
| 11:14:13 | Cloudchaser | hiya |
| 11:16:01 | Twiun | winks |
| 11:16:35 | Cloudchaser | how's things today Twiun? |
| 11:17:04 | Twiun | ok, I suppose... setting things up in the office so that others can do my work |
| 11:17:39 | Wintre | reads lilo's global message and snorts |
| 11:17:48 | Wintre | They're never going to stop rehubbing this net |
| 11:18:03 | Cloudchaser | what is "rehubbing"? |
| 11:18:27 | Speedy2 | Hi Cloud |
| 11:18:34 | Wintre | When they shift the leaf IRC servers from one "hub" node to another |
| 11:18:44 | Cloudchaser | hiya Speedy2 |
| 11:18:44 | Wintre | Or shift hubs, I suppose |
| 11:18:54 | Wintre | In order to improve performance, presumably |
| 11:19:15 | Cloudchaser | if they want to improve performance they should use switches, not hubs ;) |
| 11:19:21 | Wintre | Har har |
| 11:20:31 | Speedy2 | If they want to improve performance, they should overclock. That is the only acceptable solution. |
| 11:21:40 | Wintre | Har har |
| 11:22:38 | Speedy2 | Anyone here know detailed information about Phase Locked Loops? |
| 11:25:59 | Cloudchaser | nope |
| 11:26:02 | Cloudchaser | not me.. |
| 11:26:08 | Cloudchaser | gotta run.. time for work |
| 11:26:12 | Cloudchaser | cya later :) |
| 11:38:03 | scl900 | Hey guys |
| 11:38:52 | Wembly | cloudchaser: actualy the ircd acts more like a ethernet switch then hub. |
| 11:38:59 | Wembly | is back. foo [SZoff] |
| 11:39:36 | nemui-chan | Bleh... they broke pvponline.com ;p |
| 11:39:43 | Wembly | wtf is pvponline? |
| 11:40:08 | nemui-chan | Hehe.. read pvponline.com sometime. Its a comic about gamers. |
| 11:40:13 | nemui-chan | Pretty humorous. |
| 11:55:46 | Wembly | is away. Automatically set away [SZon] |
| 12:05:28 | Wembly | is back. What was going on ? [SZoff] |
| 12:23:46 | Wembly | is away. Automatically set away [SZon] |
| 12:25:40 | nemui-chan | heya Cloud |
| 12:29:06 | smudge | . |
| 12:32:53 | smudge | n e 1 else on a zaurus here? |
| 12:32:54 | uncon | [yawn] |
| 12:33:01 | uncon | i could be |
| 12:34:34 | smudge | i can see its gonna take me awhile to get efficient on this keyboard |
| 13:15:34 | BigBoss | morning |
| 13:15:38 | Twiun | Heya bb |
| 13:16:58 | Twiun | BigBoss: How difficult is it to change the syntax highlight colours? |
| 13:17:12 | nemui-chan | heya BigBoss |
| 13:17:41 | BigBoss | I don't know if you can |
| 13:17:48 | BigBoss | or how they are imlimented |
| 13:17:54 | BigBoss | implemented that is |
| 13:18:06 | Twiun | ok, in that case, I'll dig into the syntax files ;-) |
| 13:21:38 | Twiun | BigBoss: surprisingly simple it seems |
| 13:22:13 | Twiun | syntax is defined in xml, with #rrggbb and regexp |
| 13:23:14 | Twiun | so all I need to do is dig into my favourite vim syntax for java and use the same styles |
| 13:23:21 | BigBoss | I knew they were xml, figured it was probably not too hard to do |
| 13:23:36 | Twiun | mind if I package a few alternatives for java? |
| 13:27:33 | uncon | BigBoss: is there a changelog anywhere for tkc apps? |
| 13:27:45 | BigBoss | uncon: not really |
| 13:27:48 | uncon | grr |
| 13:27:51 | uncon | there needs to be |
| 13:27:55 | BigBoss | Twuin: I can't care if you change it for yourself |
| 13:28:01 | uncon | i need to klnow when my stuff is updated, and what was done! |
| 13:28:11 | BigBoss | there are lot's of things that 'need to be', but we have limited resources |
| 13:28:20 | uncon | but, i gave you $$ (: |
| 13:28:22 | BigBoss | we send an email to the list of the changes when we have them |
| 13:28:41 | BigBoss | what is it you want to know specifically? |
| 13:28:43 | uncon | i guess i should get the digest instead of not getting it at all... |
| 13:28:58 | uncon | well, i keep a feed personally of register apps... |
| 13:29:08 | uncon | and it's make it easier to keep up with |
| 13:29:17 | uncon | (registered) |
| 13:29:18 | Twiun | BigBoss: I get ya... how about I make a colour/style editor? that way I'm not redistributing any tkc stuff - just allowing editting of the existing highlighting |
| 13:29:42 | nemui-chan | I need to sign up for the tkc digest too |
| 13:29:45 | BigBoss | with the caveat that we aren't supporting it, and if it breaks tkcEditor we are not responsible |
| 13:30:03 | Twiun | And I think I'm going to have to make my own QPF monospaced font... the built-in one can't do bold or italic! |
| 13:30:59 | Twiun | BigBoss: always the usual disclaimer in my case - it would be for my primary use |
| 13:31:11 | BigBoss | sure |
| 13:31:27 | Twiun | thanks |
| 13:43:12 | nemui-chan | brb. |
| 13:58:35 | robert33b | hi there |
| 13:58:40 | BigBoss | l |
| 13:59:48 | robert33b | i'm new here and i have a couple of questions for you Zaurus owners |
| 14:00:13 | robert33b | haw much the battery last |
| 14:00:14 | robert33b | ? |
| 14:00:31 | uncon | depends on usage |
| 14:01:05 | robert33b | mp3 |
| 14:01:12 | robert33b | listening |
| 14:01:13 | darienm | battery lasts several days if the system is in suspend mode, and maybe 2-3 hours of heavy use with the light on. |
| 14:01:32 | darienm | mp3's with the light off, possibly 5 hours, maybe more. |
| 14:01:36 | uncon | mp3 would be heavy use... |
| 14:03:41 | robert33b | i like the look of zaurus, but it's new, not so many programs available, worth buying over a regular pocket pc? |
| 14:03:55 | uncon | heh, definatly |
| 14:03:56 | robert33b | sorry for my english:-) |
| 14:04:02 | darienm | not many programs available? almost 300 right now.... |
| 14:04:16 | robert33b | is there a mame emulator?? |
| 14:04:20 | darienm | yes |
| 14:04:21 | uncon | yes |
| 14:04:57 | | zsi is http://killefiz.de/zaurus/ |
| 14:04:57 | darienm | ibot, zsi |
| 14:05:10 | darienm | Go take a look at that page for an idea as to what's available. |
| 14:05:32 | robert33b | do you play games on it, does it recognise multiple button preset |
| 14:05:42 | darienm | I couldn't answer that. |
| 14:06:04 | robert33b | ex. if you have to run and jump |
| 14:06:19 | darienm | I've played gameboy emulated games. |
| 14:06:25 | darienm | I seem to recall being able to run and jump... |
| 14:06:59 | robert33b | there is any divx player yet? |
| 14:07:14 | darienm | hrm, I don't remember seeing one. |
| 14:07:52 | darienm | although this would seem to indicate otherwise: http://merlinto.boerde.de/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=47 |
| 14:08:31 | robert33b | why do you think it is better then a pocket pc, beside the realyy cool lock? |
| 14:08:45 | darienm | well, 'better' is a subject of debate. |
| 14:08:57 | darienm | You would be best to compare tasks, or need versus what is 'better' than what. |
| 14:08:58 | robert33b | :-) |
| 14:09:09 | ljp_work | there are two divx players in the works |
| 14:09:53 | BigBoss | our divx player is done, just some UI work to finish, we'll release it by mid-next week |
| 14:10:07 | robert33b | i heard pocket pc (ipaq, jornada) have batteries that last longer |
| 14:10:40 | darienm | probably... |
| 14:10:49 | robert33b | but they don't have the look of Z |
| 14:10:52 | robert33b | :-) |
| 14:10:57 | darienm | though you can add an external battery-pack to any device to increase battery life. |
| 14:11:06 | darienm | or carry additional batteries. |
| 14:11:41 | darienm | Don't buy it if you only want an mp3 player and game toy. |
| 14:12:03 | darienm | Its a full-fledged computer, in a really small box. |
| 14:12:13 | robert33b | yes that's rigt but i live in romania an here, we don't have a good sharp reprezentative |
| 14:12:24 | robert33b | about the batteries |
| 14:12:27 | BigBoss | half my employees are in Romania - what city are you in? |
| 14:12:36 | robert33b | bucharest |
| 14:13:10 | robert33b | what is the name of firm?? |
| 14:13:50 | | tkc is, like, at http://www.thekompany.com/embedded |
| 14:13:50 | darienm | ibot, tkc |
| 14:14:50 | robert33b | a software company?? |
| 14:14:52 | BigBoss | my guys are in Iasi |
| 14:15:07 | BigBoss | we're about the only company writing apps for the Zaurus |
| 14:16:04 | Twiun | and doing a great job too |
| 14:16:08 | BigBoss | thanks :) |
| 14:16:14 | robert33b | but here i can't find any store that sell zaurus |
| 14:16:47 | BigBoss | what city are you in? |
| 14:17:11 | robert33b | bucharest |
| 14:17:32 | robert33b | the capital of the country |
| 14:17:52 | BigBoss | that's about 2 hours out of Iasi if I recall |
| 14:19:04 | robert33b | it's possible |
| 14:19:23 | robert33b | i don't know for sure |
| 14:20:41 | robert33b | your guys all have zaurus i presume |
| 14:20:51 | darienm | a lot here do, some don't. |
| 14:20:59 | darienm | but we'll convert them... eventually |
| 14:21:53 | robert33b | do you know where i can find one |
| 14:24:01 | robert33b | in romania?? |
| 14:24:23 | robert33b | at a resonable price? |
| 14:24:29 | robert33b | :-) |
| 14:25:16 | BigBoss | nope |
| 14:25:19 | BigBoss | I sent them to my guys |
| 14:25:58 | robert33b | how much is one zaurus?? |
| 14:26:12 | robert33b | in usd |
| 14:26:52 | BigBoss | from Amazon $360 |
| 14:26:58 | BigBoss | so about $5,000,000 Leu |
| 14:26:59 | BigBoss | :) |
| 14:28:07 | robert33b | 1USD=33000 lei |
| 14:28:25 | robert33b | so.. 12.000.000 leu |
| 14:29:07 | robert33b | my wage is about 300 USD |
| 14:29:10 | robert33b | :-( |
| 14:29:19 | robert33b | a month |
| 14:29:48 | BigBoss | that's about double the average isn't it? |
| 14:30:04 | robert33b | yes |
| 14:30:55 | robert33b | but no close than the one in your country i guess |
| 14:31:35 | BigBoss | what i find insane is that wages are so low there and merchandise costs more than it does in the states - who can buy it? |
| 14:32:17 | robert33b | that's probably the main reason there are no zaurus here |
| 14:33:23 | BigBoss | hey CC |
| 14:33:30 | Twiun | wb CC |
| 14:33:42 | robert33b | the guys who sell this kind of thing in here are stealing |
| 14:35:03 | BigBoss | the devices are expensive in Europe, I think they are $700 in England for example |
| 14:35:03 | Cloudchaser | hiya |
| 14:35:10 | Cloudchaser | how's everyone today? |
| 14:35:12 | BigBoss | I doubt they are getting a good price |
| 14:35:22 | ljp_work | cloud: tired |
| 14:35:23 | BigBoss | back is finally feeling almost healed |
| 14:35:30 | Cloudchaser | ah great! ;) |
| 14:35:43 | Cloudchaser | me too ljp |
| 14:36:43 | robert33b | ex for a Cassiopeia BE300 witch in US is what? 129-199$ they sell it to as with 360$ |
| 14:37:49 | robert33b | i gan get 2 from US with this mony, i realy envy you |
| 14:39:03 | BigBoss | part of it is your government and the import duty they apply |
| 14:39:09 | BigBoss | England has the same problem |
| 14:40:34 | robert33b | but it's wrong, at this price thei don't sell a single piece, so the governmedt don't get any mony |
| 14:42:49 | Twiun | BigBoss: Yeah, but not quite as extreme as Romania I hope ;-) |
| 14:44:26 | BigBoss | robert33b: the basic problem with your statement is assuming that any government would be smart enough to figure it out :) |
| 14:44:58 | BigBoss | I love getting these $2 and $3 from CC companies and local agencies. They should know it costs them like $20 to collect $1 or $1,000 and should just write it off if it is under $20 |
| 14:44:59 | robert33b | :-) no way that extreme, because here because the high prices theren't are any distribuitors |
| 14:45:28 | BigBoss | I'm very excited. We are putting tkcRekall up right now |
| 14:45:39 | kergoth | morning all |
| 14:45:50 | ljp_work | hi kergoth |
| 14:46:06 | robert33b | hy! in romania is afternoon :-) |
| 14:46:40 | robert33b | whar tkcRecall does? |
| 14:46:40 | robert33b | what |
| 14:46:40 | robert33b | sorry |
| 14:47:03 | Cloudchaser | yay :) |
| 14:47:05 | zecke | hi kergoth |
| 14:47:19 | BigBoss | www.thekompany.com/products/rekall |
| 14:47:23 | BigBoss | this is a port to the Zaurus |
| 14:47:37 | zecke | BigBoss: is the divx player just divx or divx + the rest of the tkcPlayer? |
| 14:47:52 | zecke | BigBoss: and does it run on SL5000d? |
| 14:47:58 | BigBoss | tkcVideo is mpeg4/divx/avi |
| 14:48:04 | BigBoss | it runs on *my* 5000 ;) |
| 14:48:05 | uncon | a1[sigh] |
| 14:48:06 | kergoth | hey zecke, ljp, shawn, cloud, etc etc |
| 14:48:14 | uncon | hi kergoth |
| 14:48:19 | kergoth | i need coffee |
| 14:48:32 | BigBoss | hey kergoth |
| 14:48:45 | Cloudchaser | so.. in order to use rekall, you need to have database of some other sort? |
| 14:49:10 | BigBoss | it comes with xBase, but will also work with postgresql or mysql if you have them |
| 14:49:11 | zecke | BigBoss; I gues the questions will not be answered but which library is it using? |
| 14:50:06 | Cloudchaser | oh neat.. so it would be possible to make some nice little database apps? |
| 14:50:25 | Cloudchaser | like....with radio buttons and the like? |
| 14:50:39 | BigBoss | yep, full forms design |
| 14:50:44 | BigBoss | local or remote database support |
| 14:50:45 | Cloudchaser | oh nice |
| 14:50:55 | BigBoss | zecke: right - it won't be answered :) |
| 14:51:14 | kergoth | ahhhhhhhhh |
| 14:51:20 | kergoth | too many calls coming in before my caffeine |
| 14:51:23 | kergoth | shoots self |
| 14:51:31 | uncon | tkcVideo should be a part of tkcPlayer |
| 14:51:47 | BigBoss | why? then it would cost $50 for the Player |
| 14:51:54 | uncon | heh |
| 14:52:02 | uncon | it should be a media player |
| 14:52:08 | uncon | or, sell codecs |
| 14:52:19 | uncon | imho |
| 14:52:25 | Cloudchaser | bigboss i always wanted an app like that for my jornada... |
| 14:52:27 | Twiun | uncon: that'd be probably too deep for the general user |
| 14:52:40 | Twiun | uncon: concept-wise |
| 14:52:40 | uncon | well, it could be sold in packs |
| 14:53:32 | BigBoss | we asked our customers, we were going to do a 'mediacenter', but everyone preferred, smaller, cheaper and more specialized apps |
| 14:53:53 | rob33b | sorry for leaving, bad ISP |
| 14:54:29 | uncon | well, cheaper, yeah (: |
| 14:55:48 | rob33b | hey i'm the guy from Romania, remember me :-) |
| 14:56:13 | zecke | BigBoss: I'll ask someone to do ldd then ;) |
| 14:57:58 | lex | are there any other recommended places to announce ported software than the zaurus software index? |
| 14:58:38 | Twiun | the mailing list is good - and also more immediate |
| 15:01:42 | lex | uZers@yahoogroups? |
| 15:01:52 | rob33b | what do you use zaurus for? |
| 15:01:56 | Twiun | zaurus-general@lists.sourceforge.net |
| 15:02:08 | lex | There are a ton of mailing lists |
| 15:02:14 | Twiun | lex: go to zaurus.sourceforge.net, they've got the mailing list info there |
| 15:02:24 | Twiun | lex: these are semi-official |
| 15:03:10 | lex | mgs rob33b I am still figuring that out. I bought it b/c it runs linux, and a program on linux w/ Qt. Irresistible |
| 15:04:53 | rob33b | sorry to say i'm not a linux lover, but i really like zaurus's hardware 2 expansion, keyboard |
| 15:06:47 | lex | there is more to love about the zaurus than just linux, i agree. all things considered, its a wonderful device |
| 15:06:51 | rob33b | i think about buying one, for music, games, fun do you think it's worthit |
| 15:07:54 | lex | i don't know how easy/hard it is to develop for palm, etc. But for linux programmers who know Qt, its a dream. |
| 15:08:24 | rob33b | lex: do you play games on it? |
| 15:09:31 | rob33b | i don't know anything about programing |
| 15:09:55 | kergoth | re |
| 15:10:05 | Twiun | hiya kergoth |
| 15:11:35 | lex | well, you've got a lot available to you in linux if you ever wanted to learn |
| 15:12:19 | Cloudchaser | hiya kergoth :) how's things today? |
| 15:12:31 | kergoth | busy, very busy |
| 15:12:32 | kergoth | you? |
| 15:13:00 | Cloudchaser | semi busy.. doing documentation for the project i've been doing this last week |
| 15:13:25 | kergoth | ah.. fun |
| 15:14:55 | Fluxwerk | is away: OLD F'ing Novell |
| 15:31:26 | George- | hey warmii |
| 15:31:28 | George- | er. |
| 15:31:29 | George- | warmi |
| 15:31:30 | George- | :) |
| 15:31:52 | warmi | hi |
| 15:32:18 | kergoth | morning warmi |
| 15:32:19 | kergoth | how goes it |
| 15:32:50 | kergoth | I always find it amusing when my spam filters kill the zaurus-general digest |
| 15:33:03 | warmi | I don't know yet .... I just got to work |
| 15:33:09 | kergoth | ah |
| 15:33:28 | warmi | I don't have spam killers running |
| 15:33:37 | warmi | they are still too stupid to be usefull |
| 15:34:17 | warmi | kergoth: you are working on kernel these days ? |
| 15:34:35 | elge | hi all, can i plug an external keyboard on zaurus? |
| 15:35:34 | kergoth | warmi: I find spamassassin to work very very well, though I usually tweak the weighting of some of its tags so that it doesnt kill messages with kernel oops's from linux-kernel.. hehe |
| 15:36:03 | kergoth | elge: I dont know of a way to do that directly |
| 15:36:23 | kergoth | elge: though some use the zaurus fbvncserver to use their desktop keyboards to enter information onto the zaurus |
| 15:36:23 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:36:51 | kergoth | warmi: when i have time i work on it, yeah.. been very busy lately |
| 15:37:08 | kergoth | warmi: right now I'm working with david woodhouse to get the zaurus flash chips supported in mtd cvs |
| 15:37:40 | warmi | just a question .. do you enjoy wirking in kernel/system space more than woking with "ordinary" user land apps ? |
| 15:37:43 | sjohnson | kergoth: I though there where already support. |
| 15:37:46 | warmi | working even |
| 15:38:11 | kergoth | sjohnson: not to my knowledge. there is pre-cfi support for sharp flash chips, but not these specifically |
| 15:38:27 | sjohnson | kergoth: Then how is jffs working on OZ? |
| 15:38:32 | kergoth | warmi: I've been flipping back and forth between user space and kernel space for years now.. I never can decide |
| 15:38:35 | elge | kergoth, ok |
| 15:38:37 | kergoth | sjohnson: the lineo embedix patch. |
| 15:38:37 | sjohnson | er,jffs2 |
| 15:38:39 | warmi | hehe |
| 15:38:43 | kergoth | sjohnson: I want the changes pushed upstream. |
| 15:38:45 | sjohnson | kergoth: Ahh |
| 15:38:48 | George- | kergoth: beta 10.3 released yet? |
| 15:38:48 | George- | :) |
| 15:38:59 | kergoth | George-: soon, now that my dev box is back in action :-) |
| 15:39:05 | kergoth | George-: and not running redhat 6.2 anymore |
| 15:39:06 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:39:07 | George- | kergoth: yay! :) |
| 15:39:19 | George- | kergoth: how do I get the buildroot-oz only to build a kernel? |
| 15:39:22 | kergoth | warmi: but lately I've found that I do like working at a low level more |
| 15:39:29 | kergoth | George-: 'make kernel' |
| 15:39:31 | kergoth | George-: :-P |
| 15:39:33 | George- | ok |
| 15:39:35 | George- | :) |
| 15:39:46 | George- | cool, I could've guessed that, hehe |
| 15:39:51 | kergoth | or make kernel-multi if you want it to build all the kernels with the various ramdisk sizes |
| 15:40:04 | George- | heh |
| 15:40:04 | George- | ok |
| 15:40:09 | kergoth | also, never ever call make openzaurus or anything in the buildroot with -j |
| 15:40:11 | kergoth | ugliness |
| 15:41:36 | kergoth | i need to fix that. and the ugly bash dependencies.. |
| 15:44:47 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Hello |
| 15:44:47 | kergoth | /j #debian |
| 15:44:52 | kergoth | oops |
| 15:44:53 | kergoth | hey Speedy2 |
| 15:44:55 | kergoth | how are ya |
| 15:44:57 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Check /msg |
| 15:44:58 | warmi | man . big stink about that security problem .. |
| 15:45:15 | uncon | adammit, i need tkcExplorer |
| 15:45:16 | warmi | hi Speedy2 |
| 15:45:18 | Speedy2 | HI warmi |
| 15:45:26 | BigBoss | uncon: then you should get it? |
| 15:45:36 | uncon | yeah... |
| 15:45:40 | warmi | uncon: yeah .. it works great .. I got it myself like couple of day ago |
| 15:45:51 | warmi | probably most usefull of all tkc apps |
| 15:45:52 | uncon | i generaly hate the idea of such applications, the console is best |
| 15:45:53 | warmi | at least to me |
| 15:46:01 | warmi | uncon: not on the Zaurus |
| 15:46:05 | uncon | but, input is limited (i need a real kb (: ) |
| 15:46:05 | warmi | :-) |
| 15:46:21 | uncon | BigBoss, here, take more of my money.... |
| 15:46:30 | warmi | hehehe |
| 15:47:22 | uncon | [grumble]15bucks[grumble] |
| 15:47:54 | BigBoss | plan ahead and buy more at the same time :) |
| 15:48:23 | Speedy2 | Salesmenship at it's best |
| 15:48:47 | uncon | i did that at first... |
| 15:48:59 | uncon | you're crazy little discout plan worked on me |
| 15:49:03 | uncon | discount |
| 15:49:22 | uncon | oh well, it's only money |
| 15:49:58 | BigBoss | crazy? We are trying to take care of you, the customer, to ensure that you spend the minimum amount of money by providing these outrageos discounts - they should call me Crazy Gideon |
| 15:49:59 | BigBoss | :) |
| 15:50:10 | uncon | is it just me, or is tkcPainter a bit unresponcive? |
| 15:50:40 | Speedy2 | hahahahahaha |
| 15:50:43 | Speedy2 | I know who that is |
| 15:50:46 | warmi | BigBoss: according to RMS you are almost a criminal just for charging and not giving away the source .. |
| 15:50:48 | warmi | hehe |
| 15:50:50 | Speedy2 | "If you don't buy from me, we both losing money!!" |
| 15:51:22 | BigBoss | Speedy2: that's the guy |
| 15:51:27 | Speedy2 | My friend told me about him |
| 15:51:31 | BigBoss | I've seen his store, it's in a real bad place in LA |
| 15:51:31 | Speedy2 | (The friend lives in CA) |
| 15:51:33 | Speedy2 | eheheh |
| 15:51:46 | BigBoss | uncon: in what way? works good on my 5000 |
| 15:52:01 | uncon | when i paint, it's slow |
| 15:52:05 | Speedy2 | BigBoss: Did you ever buy anything from him? |
| 15:52:29 | BigBoss | no, and I kick myself for letting me loose money because of it :) |
| 15:52:36 | BigBoss | he's up in LA, about 70 miles from me |
| 15:52:39 | Speedy2 | lol |
| 15:52:44 | Speedy2 | YOU LOSING MONEY |
| 15:52:53 | uncon | i have to slowly "paint" to get it to pick up text |
| 15:54:17 | BigBoss | i've not seen that before |
| 15:54:21 | BigBoss | check your memory |
| 15:54:43 | warmi | and if that doesn't work ... reboot |
| 15:54:54 | warmi | it seems to cure a lot of problems with the Zaurus |
| 15:54:56 | warmi | sadly |
| 15:55:01 | uncon | well, if i go ahead and purchase it, and i can't get it working satisfactorily, do i get my $ back? |
| 15:56:21 | warmi | NeoTron or Neo|Work .. are you around ? |
| 15:58:02 | warmi | hi rikkus |
| 15:59:16 | rikkus | hi |
| 16:01:38 | BigBoss | get what to work satisfactorily? |
| 16:01:45 | uncon | nm |
| 16:01:51 | BigBoss | we've got hundres of people using it |
| 16:01:51 | uncon | tkcPainter |
| 16:02:06 | uncon | but, nm |
| 16:03:00 | uncon | i already doubled my tkc collection (: |
| 16:03:50 | Speedy2 | BigBoss: How did you enjoy the Airwolf music? |
| 16:04:07 | uncon | and both times i've purchaed, i've ended up getting more than i originally wanted just to get the discount... |
| 16:05:29 | BigBoss | Speedy2: blast from the past :) |
| 16:05:54 | Speedy2 | BigBoss: Hopefully you enjoyed it. Sylvester LeVay is a badass. |
| 16:05:57 | BigBoss | uncon: I can't help it if you are an impulse buyer :) - but think of how much you SAVED, not how much you spent |
| 16:06:03 | Speedy2 | lol |
| 16:06:04 | BigBoss | yea, it was a fun listen :) |
| 16:06:17 | Speedy2 | Did I send you Theme to Rookies? |
| 16:06:26 | uncon | BigBoss, heh.. yes... thank you! (: |
| 16:06:29 | BigBoss | I don't think so |
| 16:06:43 | Speedy2 | I like this one a lot |
| 16:06:50 | Speedy2 | I like funk and 70's style music |
| 16:06:52 | uncon | BigBoss, i may bitch about it, but tkc software is really great... |
| 16:06:53 | BigBoss | receiving now |
| 16:06:55 | Speedy2 | 10-4 |
| 16:06:55 | Speedy2 | ;) |
| 16:07:02 | BigBoss | uncon: ok, thanks :) |
| 16:09:24 | Speedy2 | Give that a listen BigBoss |
| 16:09:42 | BigBoss | playing now |
| 16:09:49 | BigBoss | god that makes me flashback |
| 16:09:56 | BigBoss | how about the theme to SWAT? I always loved that one |
| 16:10:02 | Speedy2 | I have that |
| 16:10:03 | Speedy2 | Yes |
| 16:10:03 | Speedy2 | :) |
| 16:10:13 | BigBoss | oh, you gotta send that one |
| 16:10:18 | Speedy2 | One it's way my friend |
| 16:10:21 | Speedy2 | err |
| 16:10:23 | Speedy2 | on it's way |
| 16:10:36 | Speedy2 | plays Der Komissar |
| 16:11:08 | zecke | NeoTron: ping |
| 16:11:18 | kergoth | damn this bk pull is taking long enough it'd be worth killing it and doing a new bk clone from scratch |
| 16:11:28 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Please acknowledge last /msg sir |
| 16:11:34 | kergoth | scrolls up |
| 16:11:56 | Speedy2 | "Is that acceptable" |
| 16:11:59 | Speedy2 | private msg |
| 16:12:07 | Twiun | Anyone use XSL? |
| 16:13:58 | BigBoss | man, I gotta go through and do funk rock versions of old TV theme songs |
| 16:14:15 | BigBoss | SWAT, Hawaii Five O, Mission Impossible, stuff like that |
| 16:14:41 | Speedy2 | I don't have the last two |
| 16:14:52 | Speedy2 | I some awesome stuff you'd love |
| 16:15:01 | tux_mike | BigBoss: is there a way to tell the dates where the tkc software has been updated? |
| 16:15:33 | Speedy2 | BigBoss: Did you ever watch Baretta? |
| 16:15:41 | BigBoss | didn't everyone? |
| 16:15:45 | Speedy2 | Heh |
| 16:15:49 | Speedy2 | I have a few more things to send to you |
| 16:16:18 | Speedy2 | These are all very awesome. |
| 16:16:27 | BigBoss | tux_mike: youcould always look at myzaurus, the dates are going to match our updates, but our system doesn't display them |
| 16:16:34 | BigBoss | we do update the version number in the file description |
| 16:16:38 | tux_mike | alright |
| 16:17:10 | BigBoss | freaking myzaurus. I just spent 15 minutes setting up a new product and the web page fails to commit |
| 16:17:14 | kyoorius | quick q: is there a way to disable the 4242 ftp service? or at least make it require a password? |
| 16:17:24 | warmi | BigBoss: if you null exception ? |
| 16:17:40 | warmi | this is session timeout |
| 16:17:50 | kergoth | kyoorius: not in qtopia, I dont believe. opie's security app allows you to set a allowed ip/mask for it |
| 16:18:03 | kergoth | BigBoss: what product? |
| 16:18:05 | warmi | basically you can't spend too much time setting up your stupp .. better prepare ahead and then just copy and paste |
| 16:18:13 | kyoorius | is that an app that I install, or do i have to load a new rom? |
| 16:18:18 | djax | Hi |
| 16:19:26 | BigBoss | kergoth: tkcRekall |
| 16:19:40 | BigBoss | worked in Opera, failed in IE 6 |
| 16:20:47 | kergoth | BigBoss: ah sweet |
| 16:20:59 | uncon | ie6 is a load |
| 16:21:11 | BigBoss | god these are awesome Speedy2 |
| 16:21:25 | Speedy2 | Which ones? |
| 16:21:30 | Speedy2 | (But the answer is still yes) :) |
| 16:22:20 | George- | kergoth: is the entire buildroot-oz only 1.1MB? |
| 16:22:24 | George- | (from CVS) |
| 16:22:34 | kergoth | George-: yes, it downloads all the component sources, extracts them, and builds |
| 16:22:40 | BigBoss | that old wah guitar is awesome with the violins |
| 16:22:42 | BigBoss | everyone used it |
| 16:22:44 | kergoth | George-: cvs is just a buildsystem + some patches :-) |
| 16:22:44 | Speedy2 | The Mannix theme is a lot slower than the original...I don't think it's original |
| 16:22:47 | Speedy2 | BigBoss: Which theme? |
| 16:22:53 | George- | kergoth: ahh, ok |
| 16:22:54 | warmi | what in the world is that ? http://www.handango.com/sharp/PlatformProductDetail.jsp?catalog=0&jid=CBDX99BC2AD39FX6DEE1311D987CBBC9&platformId=9&productId=34643&productType=2§ionId=0&siteId=423&zsortParams=true |
| 16:23:40 | warmi | Requirements: iPAQ(3600 Series, Serial Cable) |
| 16:23:42 | warmi | huh |
| 16:23:53 | warmi | looks like Win CE |
| 16:23:58 | BigBoss | barreta and SWAT do it |
| 16:24:02 | BigBoss | everything from the 70's did |
| 16:24:12 | BigBoss | I like this Sammy version of Barreta, I can picture him doing it :) |
| 16:24:44 | Speedy2 | heh |
| 16:24:46 | Speedy2 | Yeah |
| 16:24:55 | George- | warmi: it won't load.. |
| 16:24:56 | Speedy2 | Stingray is 80's...but it's still awesome. |
| 16:25:00 | Speedy2 | Stone is 70's |
| 16:25:16 | smee|w | hi, when using fbvncserver, how do I paste the contents of my desktop's framebuffer to a Z terminal? |
| 16:25:41 | warmi | George-: then just go to myzaurus.com and click on "Linu@ for iPAQ " product |
| 16:26:05 | Speedy2 | Oh shit |
| 16:26:10 | Speedy2 | Well |
| 16:26:14 | Speedy2 | I'll send you some more after these |
| 16:26:30 | warmi | looks like handango part of myzaurus.com went down ... |
| 16:26:39 | George- | yes |
| 16:26:41 | George- | it's damn slow |
| 16:27:16 | warmi | but I kid you now .. somebody release windows ce lookalike for the ZAurus ( or ipaq) |
| 16:27:21 | warmi | kid you not |
| 16:27:55 | George- | wth? |
| 16:28:20 | warmi | Failed to connect to server: |
| 16:28:29 | warmi | www.handango.com (80) |
| 16:28:34 | warmi | Reason: Remote host is not listening. |
| 16:28:35 | warmi | hehe |
| 16:28:48 | warmi | that's what our proxy is saying |
| 16:28:55 | George- | An error occured while loading http://www.handango.com/sharp: |
| 16:28:59 | BigBoss | that's what happened when I tried to commit my new product |
| 16:29:00 | George- | Connection to host www.handango.com is broken |
| 16:29:02 | BigBoss | but it worked in opera |
| 16:29:13 | warmi | BigBoss: it won't work anywhere now |
| 16:29:24 | warmi | I think their server/s went down |
| 16:29:26 | BigBoss | you're right, it's dead |
| 16:29:48 | George- | warmi: there's nothing wrong with releasing a WinCE lookalike for the Z |
| 16:29:55 | ljp_work | you guys broke handango! |
| 16:29:56 | George- | warmi: It's just, anti-geekish :) |
| 16:30:31 | George- | warmi: If anything, it'd increase zaurus sales, because winblows lovers will be more familiar with the wince interface |
| 16:31:25 | warmi | George-: I am not saying there is anything wrong with it |
| 16:31:30 | BigBoss | why in the world is Linu@ for the iPaq on Myzaurus.com? |
| 16:31:32 | warmi | I was just surprised |
| 16:31:39 | warmi | I have no idea .. |
| 16:32:05 | warmi | what is Linu@ for iPaq in the first place ? |
| 16:32:08 | George- | i dunno |
| 16:32:14 | George- | http://www.linuette.com/about/about |
| 16:32:17 | George- | that's it |
| 16:32:22 | George- | I think |
| 16:32:44 | BigBoss | it's is Qt Embedded, but not Qtopia, they wrote their own |
| 16:32:52 | BigBoss | which I think looks really cheap personally |
| 16:33:02 | BigBoss | so that means nothing anyong is writing for the Zaurus will run on it |
| 16:33:10 | warmi | ah ok .. but why put it on myzaurus ? |
| 16:33:18 | BigBoss | exactly - doesn't make sense |
| 16:33:22 | George- | warmi: god knows :) |
| 16:33:28 | BigBoss | its for the ipaq or the Mizi device |
| 16:33:42 | warmi | it is just going to confuse the hell out of people |
| 16:33:44 | uncon | ew... |
| 16:33:50 | George- | hmm, it doesn't look *that* bad |
| 16:33:51 | uncon | linu@ is gross |
| 16:33:57 | George- | imho, qpe is an evil system |
| 16:34:03 | BigBoss | yes, it does look bad, the more you look at it, the uglier it get's |
| 16:34:06 | warmi | actually I kinda like their look |
| 16:34:16 | uncon | those menu bars take up 30% of the screen |
| 16:34:26 | BigBoss | I guess I should just put all our software on Myzaurus weather it has to do with the Zaurus or not |
| 16:34:30 | uncon | BigBoss, agreed |
| 16:34:30 | BigBoss | apparently it doesn't matter |
| 16:34:58 | warmi | yeah but one thing twith Qtopia I don't like is that their graphic themes are bit heavy .. shadow lines are 2 pixels or more wide . .etc |
| 16:35:09 | warmi | wastes a lot of space on 320 x 240 screen |
| 16:35:31 | warmi | but it does look better then your average PPC application |
| 16:35:36 | BigBoss | I'm not saying Qtopia is great, but Linu@ is just cartoonish |
| 16:35:45 | BigBoss | not to mention it isn't compatible with anything |
| 16:35:54 | uncon | linu@ is too ppc-ish for me |
| 16:36:12 | uncon | (looking) |
| 16:36:19 | Speedy2 | Linu@ is what exactly again? |
| 16:36:20 | BigBoss | one thing I learned working with Hancom is that the Koreans are all about 'follow the leader' instead of innovation |
| 16:36:24 | Speedy2 | The website is vaporware |
| 16:36:26 | warmi | hello netAmp |
| 16:36:31 | NetAmp | will make sure the customs people will BURN! |
| 16:36:34 | warmi | still waiting ? |
| 16:36:35 | Speedy2 | err...full of marketting speak |
| 16:36:44 | uncon | http://www.mizi.com/en/prod/embed/images/media_2.png |
| 16:36:48 | BigBoss | I like the Cheech and Chong one :) |
| 16:36:51 | Speedy2 | hehe |
| 16:36:51 | NetAmp | the losers are charging 109 (!!) euros for friggin import clearance!!! |
| 16:36:56 | Speedy2 | I knew you would...dirty man! |
| 16:36:57 | uncon | that has the more qpe-ish "x" close button |
| 16:37:00 | NetAmp | g*dmnit |
| 16:37:08 | BigBoss | Speedy2: they didn't want to pay for the Qtopia license, so they use QT Embedded and then wrote their own window manager on it |
| 16:37:16 | BigBoss | it's a korean company called Mizi that has a PDA |
| 16:37:26 | NetAmp | but yes... still waiting... they'll deliver monday :S |
| 16:37:30 | BigBoss | the desktop is called Linu@, pronounced Linuette |
| 16:37:38 | NetAmp | so no pda fun this weekend :-( |
| 16:37:50 | Speedy2 | BigBoss: That seems like a cheap thing to do...to not have to pay for a license. |
| 16:38:29 | George- | http://www.linuette.com/about/about_app/ |
| 16:38:38 | BigBoss | Speedy2: yep |
| 16:38:40 | George- | It may just be me, but that GO game looks a lot like the Qtopia one |
| 16:39:02 | uncon | heh |
| 16:39:08 | uncon | how odd |
| 16:39:28 | BigBoss | something else I noticed about the korean companies, is that "borrowing" and piracy is rampant |
| 16:39:31 | treke | George-: Not a whole lot of room for variation there :) |
| 16:39:42 | XavierXeon | NetAmp: how much will you have to pay in total ? |
| 16:39:45 | warmi | NetAmp: that's Europe .. you pay for everything ... |
| 16:39:49 | noidd | Well........ |
| 16:39:51 | noidd | I did it. |
| 16:39:56 | NetAmp | warmi: *grrr* |
| 16:40:02 | NetAmp | warmi: I hate that policy |
| 16:40:04 | George- | treke: The thing is, it looks *exactly* the same |
| 16:40:23 | George- | BigBoss: how do you know they wrote that just to keep away from paying licenses? |
| 16:40:23 | NetAmp | XavierXeon: total will still be less than getting a German one |
| 16:40:26 | noidd | I guess i'm now fully fledged. |
| 16:40:29 | BigBoss | http://www.linuette.com/about/about_app/# |
| 16:40:32 | treke | then again, the go probably would work out of the box. Doubt it uses any qtopia stuff besides QPEApplication |
| 16:40:36 | noidd | Now to go trawl the FAQs for essential software |
| 16:40:38 | BigBoss | the interactive demo shows how funky it is |
| 16:40:44 | George- | BigBoss: they'd have to pay a damn license for Qt/E if they were gonna make Linu@ commercial |
| 16:40:57 | George- | BigBoss: and if they didn't wanna make it commercial, well, there's a GPL version of Qpe |
| 16:41:01 | Twiun | noidd: well done ;-) |
| 16:41:10 | noidd | Twiun: Thanks ;-) |
| 16:41:19 | | bugger all, i dunno, noidd |
| 16:41:19 | noidd | ibot, essential software? |
| 16:41:23 | noidd | bah |
| 16:41:30 | BigBoss | the license for Qtopia is higher than the one for just qt/e |
| 16:41:41 | BigBoss | I don't know what the prices are, but I do know there is a difference |
| 16:41:53 | Speedy2 | Just when you thought it was over :) |
| 16:42:10 | BigBoss | well going GPL has it's own issues, TT isn't going to support you if you do that on a commercial device |
| 16:42:20 | George- | that media player doesn't look too bad |
| 16:42:23 | BigBoss | Speedy2: well this Cheech and Chong bit is pretty long, just finishing now |
| 16:42:25 | noidd | Silly question - is there software for connecting to the Z via linux? I don't care about syncing data etc... just copy files on and off |
| 16:42:38 | darienm | noidd: ftp |
| 16:42:40 | BigBoss | Mike Post sure did a lot of themes |
| 16:42:55 | kergoth | woot. |
| 16:42:55 | Speedy2 | BigBoss: Mike Post and Pete Carpenter are BADASSES |
| 16:42:59 | kergoth | my laptop shipped today |
| 16:43:00 | Speedy2 | Pete Carpenter died :( |
| 16:43:00 | warmi | noidd: ftp, samba ... you name it |
| 16:43:03 | noidd | darienm: cool :-) with a network over the usb? |
| 16:43:03 | Speedy2 | Kergoth: SHIT! |
| 16:43:05 | kergoth | 3 days early |
| 16:43:10 | Speedy2 | kergoth: How much did you pay? |
| 16:43:15 | Speedy2 | I found a great deal on a Sony Vaio for you |
| 16:43:20 | darienm | noidd: yes, connect to port 4242 on the Zaurus. |
| 16:43:21 | Speedy2 | < $300 |
| 16:43:23 | Speedy2 | PII 300+ |
| 16:43:24 | NetAmp | yah usb network.. I gotta set that up too btw.. |
| 16:43:27 | XavierXeon | noidd : first you need to have usb setup http://www.ruault.com/Zaurus/ethernet-over-usb-howto.html |
| 16:43:36 | noidd | thankeeee :-) |
| 16:43:38 | kergoth | Speedy2: I blew $1436 or something on a p4 1.6ghz from dell |
| 16:43:39 | BigBoss | when did Pete Carpener die? |
| 16:43:48 | kergoth | Speedy2: more than i wanted to spend, but what the hell |
| 16:43:55 | Speedy2 | BigBoss: I think about 3 years or 4 years ago? IMDB has it |
| 16:44:04 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Damn it, would you have bought that Vaio? |
| 16:44:22 | kergoth | Speedy2: thats damn cheap, good possibility. hehe |
| 16:44:26 | Speedy2 | Yeah |
| 16:44:26 | BigBoss | that's a drag |
| 16:44:30 | Speedy2 | I found out only yesterday |
| 16:44:36 | Speedy2 | I thought "Shit, kergoth will love this" |
| 16:44:43 | kergoth | ah well.. |
| 16:44:45 | Speedy2 | Well...you can still return the Dell |
| 16:44:52 | NetAmp | What do you have to do to set the USB net up on Windoze? |
| 16:45:00 | | i heard faq was at http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/zaurus-faq/ or at http://www.handhelds.org/handhelds-faq/handhelds-faq.html or at http://adorphuye.com/zaurus/java/faq.jsp |
| 16:45:00 | NetAmp | ibot: faq |
| 16:45:05 | uncon | kergoth, which dell? |
| 16:45:07 | kergoth | true that |
| 16:45:11 | kergoth | uncon: Inspiron 8200 |
| 16:45:16 | XavierXeon | NetAmp: just install the drivers from the CD |
| 16:45:25 | NetAmp | XavierXeon: cool :) |
| 16:45:39 | | thanks noidd :) |
| 16:45:39 | noidd | ibot, botsnack |
| 16:45:43 | warmi | noidd: usb sucks anyway ... if you want something better then og with CF lan card .. not wireless just standard ethernet cf card .. you can get one for 40$ or so |
| 16:45:45 | | sex is updatedb; locate blonde; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; ipkg install condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; ipkg remove condom; make clean; sleep |
| 16:45:45 | Speedy2 | ibot, sex |
| 16:45:54 | BigBoss | anyone know how to put a demo app up on myzaurus? |
| 16:46:01 | kergoth | hey jmhodges |
| 16:46:14 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Well, as I mention, the possibility to return the Dell exists. |
| 16:46:23 | kergoth | Speedy2: indeed |
| 16:46:32 | warmi | BigBoss: yeah .. you have two upload options .. one for full version and one for trial/demo |
| 16:46:47 | noidd | warmi: We will be going ethernet via the CF2 very soon - I need to look up working models etc |
| 16:46:54 | jmhodges | hey kergoth |
| 16:47:01 | Speedy2 | noidd: CF2 on what? |
| 16:47:07 | BigBoss | I didn't see that on there, I want to have both versions up there. |
| 16:47:22 | warmi | hold one one sec |
| 16:47:24 | noidd | Speedy2: ethernet |
| 16:47:29 | Speedy2 | noidd: I mean on what device |
| 16:47:55 | uncon | kergoth, do you know if there's anyway to buy a dell sans MS liscensing? |
| 16:47:57 | noidd | SL-5500 |
| 16:48:03 | jmhodges | hello all |
| 16:48:21 | kergoth | uncon: not to my knowledge, i'd have loved to buy one that way though, i'm just throwing debian on it |
| 16:48:29 | uncon | yeah.... |
| 16:48:31 | warmi | handango is slow like hell today |
| 16:48:35 | noidd | I do have to say one thing - first impressions I was kinda disapointed iwth the display |
| 16:48:38 | uncon | oh well |
| 16:48:52 | Speedy2 | noidd: In what respect? |
| 16:49:03 | noidd | Speedy2: lighting across is it not very uniform |
| 16:49:05 | BigBoss | warmi: yea, it keeps timing out |
| 16:49:12 | warmi | BigBoss: if you click on "modify my product" then # 4 (4. File Information ) let you upload two files |
| 16:49:19 | noidd | Speedy2: top right corner is almost unlit |
| 16:49:20 | kergoth | uncon: course i ordered online, i shouldve called and pestered a sales rep incessently about it :-) |
| 16:49:32 | darienm | noidd: lighting of the Zaurus or another device? |
| 16:49:35 | Speedy2 | noidd: This is true. It uses a side light and it doesn't reach far enough up |
| 16:49:40 | noidd | on the zaurus |
| 16:49:42 | warmi | BigBoss: sorry |
| 16:49:50 | uncon | kergoth, well, i'm sure dell probably gets a good discount on them anyway.. |
| 16:49:56 | warmi | you got to make sure 3. Product Registration has "files to upload" set to 2 |
| 16:49:57 | darienm | noidd: But the light ORIGINATES on the right side... |
| 16:50:08 | BigBoss | warmi: thanks, checking |
| 16:50:09 | kergoth | uncon: true, but its the point of it ;-) |
| 16:50:15 | noidd | I only really noticed it on boot sequence anyways |
| 16:50:20 | uncon | kergoth, heh... indeed |
| 16:50:36 | Speedy2 | Backlights give a more uniform lighting, but they end up increasing the bulk |
| 16:50:38 | noidd | darienm: I know - thats why I thought it wierd. I'm not suggesting there is a problem - \I was just surpried |
| 16:50:58 | noidd | darienm: prolly have to look at someone elses to know if i'm being oversensitive |
| 16:51:01 | BigBoss | lovely, it made the file I already had up there a trial |
| 16:51:06 | BigBoss | but that does it, thanks warmi |
| 16:51:13 | warmi | np |
| 16:52:39 | warmi | I wonder where are our Sharp dudes |
| 16:52:40 | ljp_work | anyine else hate when you resume the Z the current opened app closes? |
| 16:52:42 | warmi | hehe |
| 16:52:55 | BigBoss | you have to hold the button the just right amount of time |
| 16:52:57 | uncon | does it? |
| 16:53:04 | uncon | i never have that problem |
| 16:53:07 | warmi | ljp_work: it doesn't do that on mine |
| 16:53:12 | ljp_work | I can _never_ get it to _not_ close the app |
| 16:53:22 | uncon | i've tried TO get it to, and can't |
| 16:53:24 | ljp_work | warmi: which rom? |
| 16:53:44 | warmi | ha ... I don't remember the one that contest Zs were send out with |
| 16:53:52 | ljp_work | oh.. hmmm |
| 16:53:56 | noidd | is having a "cant be arsed with re-compiling my kernel" moment |
| 16:54:07 | noidd | Going to boot into Doze and install some software |
| 16:54:24 | treke | ls |
| 16:54:25 | noidd | catch you guys later - and thanks a LOT for the help. Twas much appreciated |
| 16:55:04 | Speedy2 | BigBoss: Did you ever watch Hardcastle and McCormick? |
| 16:55:25 | warmi | BigBoss: how do you handle tkcRekall install ? I have noticed it requires 7 MB which means it would need 14 since qinstall requires 2x as much memory/space to install anything |
| 16:55:31 | jmhodges | oz person : my Today says "please fill out a business card" but i have no idea what it wants |
| 16:55:33 | kergoth | okay i need to buy that red swingline stapler |
| 16:55:38 | Speedy2 | lol |
| 16:55:44 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Check /msg |
| 16:55:45 | BigBoss | wasn't that the show with the dad from that old family show? |
| 16:55:47 | warmi | kergoth: hehe |
| 16:55:59 | BigBoss | warmi: no, the totaly amount is about 7mb |
| 16:56:07 | BigBoss | there are a few files in there to install |
| 16:56:07 | Speedy2 | BigBoss: It starred Brian Keith and Daniel Hugh Kelly |
| 16:56:13 | BigBoss | right, Brian Keith |
| 16:56:16 | warmi | ah ok |
| 16:56:19 | BigBoss | and that red sports car right? |
| 16:56:20 | Speedy2 | Yes |
| 16:56:21 | Speedy2 | : |
| 16:56:22 | Speedy2 | :) |
| 16:56:25 | Speedy2 | The Coyote X |
| 16:56:26 | warmi | right, I was thinking one big file .. . stupid me |
| 16:56:41 | kergoth | jmhodges: address book.. under the menus, enter your personal details |
| 16:57:06 | jmhodges | ack |
| 16:57:08 | uncon | BigBoss, hangango prices are higher? |
| 16:57:09 | jmhodges | k |
| 16:57:20 | BigBoss | uncon: yes, because they raised their royalties on us |
| 16:57:28 | uncon | that's really sad |
| 16:57:33 | Speedy2 | BigBoss: Did you listen to the Stingray themes yet? |
| 16:57:37 | uncon | royalties... pft |
| 16:57:47 | ljp_work | BB: dont sell so much.. ;) |
| 16:57:57 | warmi | hehehe |
| 16:58:14 | BigBoss | Speedy2: just finished the last file a few seconds ago, barney miller |
| 16:58:15 | warmi | yeah... niether I nor ljp suffer from that problem |
| 16:58:17 | warmi | :-) |
| 16:58:22 | ljp_work | hehehe, nope |
| 16:58:23 | BigBoss | so yea, I heard them. I totally forgot about that one till now |
| 16:58:32 | BigBoss | what are you guys selling on there? |
| 16:58:41 | warmi | well, to tell the truth ... 30% is still a LOT |
| 16:58:41 | Speedy2 | BigBoss: Heard them ==? |
| 16:58:51 | BigBoss | I just listened to them all |
| 16:58:58 | BigBoss | warmi: it is now 40% for me |
| 16:59:03 | Speedy2 | BigBoss: What did you think? |
| 16:59:04 | BigBoss | and will go to 50% in the near future |
| 16:59:08 | kergoth | ouch |
| 16:59:13 | warmi | yeah, I know .. but even default 30% is a bit too much |
| 16:59:15 | BigBoss | speedy2: brings back memories, good stuff |
| 16:59:18 | Speedy2 | :) |
| 16:59:26 | BigBoss | for a purely electronic distribution, 30% *is* too much |
| 16:59:28 | Speedy2 | You like the 70's stuff, correct? |
| 16:59:34 | Speedy2 | has some more stuff for you |
| 16:59:41 | BigBoss | and the fact that it scales UP as you sell more, is outrageous |
| 16:59:52 | BigBoss | Speedy2: for the most part, yes |
| 17:00:14 | kergoth | BigBoss: thats nuts. where's the incentive? |
| 17:00:17 | Speedy2 | BigBoss: Play the Cheech and Chong song for them and tell them to fuck off? |
| 17:00:32 | ljp_work | BB: if I were you, at some point, I would remove my apps from there.. 50% is too much |
| 17:00:36 | uncon | does it cost to post freeware? |
| 17:01:11 | BigBoss | you guys are all making the same points I made 2 months ago |
| 17:01:23 | warmi | uncon: no |
| 17:01:24 | ljp_work | BB: besides, tkc is well known enough that peole willactively seek your site out |
| 17:01:25 | BigBoss | I raised such a stink that the president of Handango called Sharp to complain about it |
| 17:01:28 | Speedy2 | BigBoss: Don't dislike this album becuase the first few songs aren't good. Track #8 is the absolute best...it's one of the best |
| 17:01:43 | Speedy2 | it's one of the best songs I've ever heard. |
| 17:01:45 | BigBoss | Speedy2: ok |
| 17:01:48 | warmi | uncon: I guess this is how they make up for not charding people posting free stuff on handgano |
| 17:01:59 | warmi | charging even |
| 17:02:03 | uncon | that's lame |
| 17:02:10 | Speedy2 | BigBoss: Sharp is forcing the outrageous blackmail money? |
| 17:02:14 | BigBoss | I told them I'd just take my stuff off if that was their policy, and that's when they freaked out |
| 17:02:35 | BigBoss | Handango would have you think that Sharp is responsible, but in reality this is the standard Handango contract |
| 17:02:54 | BigBoss | it pissed me off even more that Handango tried to act like it was Sharps fault, then I noticed it was their stock contract |
| 17:03:05 | ljp_work | maybe they'd change if we all decided to pull software off |
| 17:03:23 | BigBoss | If there was a full on boycott, I imagine something would change |
| 17:03:24 | warmi | do they even care about us .. I mean PPC and Palm are like 90% of their market |
| 17:03:27 | George- | BigBoss: what's this? |
| 17:03:31 | noidd | Z developers on strike - hehe |
| 17:03:31 | Speedy2 | Is www.fuckhandango.com resolved? |
| 17:03:35 | BigBoss | there actually isn't that much software for sale on the site actually |
| 17:03:37 | warmi | hehe |
| 17:03:39 | Speedy2 | Cause we could reserve it and...you know |
| 17:04:03 | kergoth | I say add a 'buy' link to items on handango that points to appropriate sites, and say fuck handango |
| 17:04:05 | kergoth | er |
| 17:04:06 | BigBoss | however in Handango's defense, the employees there are really terrific, and they really are interested in boosting your sales, probably so they can get you in the higher bracket though :) |
| 17:04:10 | kergoth | to items on ZSI i meant |
| 17:04:12 | kergoth | god i'm tired |
| 17:04:19 | George- | perhaps we should start up our own electronic distribution ebusiness, and put fuckdango out of business? :) |
| 17:04:32 | warmi | George-: hehehe |
| 17:04:32 | BigBoss | there is nothing stopping you from putting a url in your product description pointing to another site to buy from |
| 17:04:56 | warmi | BigBoss: are you sure .. maybe there is some fine print somewhere in their license which prohibits that |
| 17:05:22 | George- | BigBoss: omg yeh! |
| 17:05:25 | ljp_work | thing is, handango does it all for you.. processes cards, sends out checks.. |
| 17:05:32 | George- | BigBoss: Let's all do that! :) |
| 17:05:36 | ljp_work | great for small time developers |
| 17:05:41 | kergoth | ljp_work: true, there's always paypal though |
| 17:05:46 | BigBoss | warmi: I check the license, you can do it |
| 17:05:53 | noidd | karma handigo |
| 17:05:55 | George- | yes, I have PayPal |
| 17:06:00 | George- | hmm |
| 17:06:06 | | handango has neutral karma |
| 17:06:06 | noidd | ibot, karma handango |
| 17:06:07 | BigBoss | ljp: is very convenient for small developers, for me it is just a pain because we already have it all |
| 17:06:08 | warmi | ljp_work: not to mention people are more willing to part with their money when dealing with known sites like hangango |
| 17:06:14 | George- | what sorta cut does PayPal take? |
| 17:06:16 | kergoth | handango-- |
| 17:06:19 | George- | 5%? |
| 17:06:19 | George- | I can't remember |
| 17:06:39 | | microsoft has karma of -1 |
| 17:06:39 | warmi | ibot karma microsoft |
| 17:06:48 | warmi | what a surprisze |
| 17:06:50 | George- | BigBoss: why not just put your stuff on their site then, and link to your own product pages/ |
| 17:06:56 | warmi | surprise even |
| 17:06:58 | George- | warmi: haha |
| 17:07:10 | | linux has karma of -4 |
| 17:07:10 | warmi | ibot karma linux |
| 17:07:16 | kergoth | linux++ |
| 17:07:17 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:07:19 | warmi | holly f** |
| 17:07:21 | noidd | linux++ |
| 17:07:39 | | linux has karma of -2 |
| 17:07:39 | warmi | ibot karma linux |
| 17:07:42 | BigBoss | George: Handango has it's purposes, and for the moment I don't want to burn that bridge |
| 17:07:43 | George- | linux++ |
| 17:07:45 | | apple has neutral karma |
| 17:07:45 | warmi | ibot karma apple |
| 17:07:48 | George- | linux++ |
| 17:07:53 | George- | linux++ |
| 17:07:53 | George- | linux++ |
| 17:07:53 | George- | linux++ |
| 17:08:00 | | linux has karma of 3 |
| 17:08:00 | noidd | ibot, karma linux |
| 17:08:01 | | linux has karma of 3 |
| 17:08:01 | warmi | ibot karma linux |
| 17:08:04 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:08:05 | George- | BigBoss: oh right |
| 17:08:08 | noidd | good nuff |
| 17:08:08 | kergoth | thats better |
| 17:08:16 | kergoth | check this |
| 17:08:19 | | kergoth: no idea |
| 17:08:19 | kergoth | ibot: karma bzflag? |
| 17:08:24 | | bzflag has karma of 3036873698722 |
| 17:08:24 | kergoth | ibot, karma bzflag |
| 17:08:26 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:08:32 | | kergoth has karma of 1 |
| 17:08:32 | tux_mike | ibot karma kergoth |
| 17:08:39 | Speedy2 | intel-- |
| 17:08:40 | | mgsander has karma of 2 |
| 17:08:40 | George- | ibot karma mgsander |
| 17:08:40 | Speedy2 | intel-- |
| 17:08:40 | Speedy2 | intel-- |
| 17:08:41 | Speedy2 | intel-- |
| 17:08:41 | Speedy2 | intel-- |
| 17:08:41 | Speedy2 | intel-- |
| 17:08:44 | | tux_mike: what? |
| 17:08:44 | tux_mike | ibot kergoth ljp |
| 17:08:45 | | xonox has karma of -666 |
| 17:08:45 | George- | ibot karma xonox |
| 17:08:49 | Speedy2 | amd++ |
| 17:08:50 | | ljp- has neutral karma |
| 17:08:50 | ljp_work | ibot: karma ljp- |
| 17:08:50 | Speedy2 | amd++ |
| 17:08:50 | Speedy2 | amd++ |
| 17:08:50 | Speedy2 | amd++ |
| 17:08:53 | | ljp has karma of -182 |
| 17:08:53 | tux_mike | ibot karma ljp |
| 17:08:56 | George- | hahaha |
| 17:08:59 | warmi | hehehe |
| 17:09:01 | | ljp has karma of -182 |
| 17:09:01 | ljp_work | ibot: karma ljp |
| 17:09:01 | George- | -666 |
| 17:09:05 | Speedy2 | karma Speedy2 |
| 17:09:07 | | geyz has karma of 3 |
| 17:09:07 | George- | ibot karma geyz |
| 17:09:10 | | speedy2 has neutral karma |
| 17:09:10 | Speedy2 | ibot: karma Speedy2 |
| 17:09:17 | | tux_mike has karma of 1 |
| 17:09:17 | tux_mike | ibot karma tux_mike |
| 17:09:18 | kergoth | hehe thats cause of when ljp was using his ljp-- nick |
| 17:09:18 | George- | ljp: haha |
| 17:09:23 | tux_mike | amd - |
| 17:09:26 | tux_mike | amd-- |
| 17:09:28 | tux_mike | amd-- |
| 17:09:29 | tux_mike | amd-- |
| 17:09:30 | tux_mike | :P |
| 17:09:30 | Speedy2 | amd++ |
| 17:09:30 | Speedy2 | amd++ |
| 17:09:31 | Speedy2 | amd++ |
| 17:09:31 | Speedy2 | amd++ |
| 17:09:32 | Speedy2 | amd++ |
| 17:09:42 | | george- has neutral karma |
| 17:09:42 | George- | ibot karma george- |
| 17:10:02 | tux_mike | i don't like a cpu that has a bug in the thermistor |
| 17:10:08 | | I'm a fuschia bowling ball somewhere in Brittany |
| 17:10:08 | kergoth | ibot: yow |
| 17:10:12 | kergoth | hah |
| 17:10:34 | | AMD is nothing but an unintelligent enema-bucketful of inept dog vomit. |
| 17:10:34 | tux_mike | ibot insult AMD |
| 17:10:39 | Speedy2 | tux_mike: There is not "thermistor" on the CPU |
| 17:10:47 | Speedy2 | err...there is no "thermistor" |
| 17:11:07 | tux_mike | well some sort of temp sensor. i was under the impression it was a thermistor |
| 17:11:24 | Speedy2 | No |
| 17:11:26 | Speedy2 | It's a PN junction |
| 17:11:49 | tux_mike | well, whatever it is, the one on the older AMD processors did not work |
| 17:11:57 | warmi | BigBoss: your tkcRekall description containst some minor typos |
| 17:12:00 | Speedy2 | It was just slow to respond |
| 17:12:02 | warmi | "A minimal demonstration database is incdlued. " at the very bottom |
| 17:12:08 | Speedy2 | And you're an idiot if you remove a heatsink off a CPU anyway |
| 17:12:11 | warmi | if you care , that is |
| 17:12:26 | tux_mike | speedy: they fall off in shipping |
| 17:12:37 | Speedy2 | tux_mike: My ass. |
| 17:12:58 | Speedy2 | Those springs are so tight, it requires a *HUGE* amount of force just to put them on |
| 17:13:05 | warmi | yeah I burned 1 GHZ amd when my fan died |
| 17:13:05 | Speedy2 | That is, if you're using a boxed CPU |
| 17:13:12 | Speedy2 | warmi: Boxed processor? |
| 17:13:31 | warmi | what do you mean ? |
| 17:13:40 | Speedy2 | warmi: Was it an AMD "boxed" processor or OEM? |
| 17:13:41 | warmi | I build my own machine .. got myself 1 GHZ cpu |
| 17:13:50 | Speedy2 | The boxed processors carry a 3-year warranty |
| 17:13:53 | warmi | OEM |
| 17:13:54 | Speedy2 | Did you buy your own heatsink + fan? |
| 17:13:57 | Speedy2 | Well there you go |
| 17:13:57 | tux_mike | speedy: i worked in tech support, many customers would call up with new computers that didnt work, guess what was the most common fix, heat sink |
| 17:14:01 | kergoth | I used to buy oem cpus, stopped when i learned the quality of the retail ones |
| 17:14:02 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:14:16 | Speedy2 | kergoth: You saying quality of retail is good or bad? |
| 17:14:27 | kergoth | good. the heatsink+fan anyway |
| 17:14:30 | Speedy2 | tux_mike: Yeah, were those boxed CPUs or OEM? Boxed ones never fail. |
| 17:14:31 | Speedy2 | Yeah |
| 17:14:32 | Speedy2 | My feeling as well |
| 17:14:45 | kergoth | just not worth the small price savings to go oem, imo |
| 17:14:48 | MSpin | argh! It took SF.net tech support a week to get back to me with a canned response saying to try my support request again because I didn't follow the directions. |
| 17:14:51 | tux_mike | speedy: prebuilt systems |
| 17:14:51 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Agreed |
| 17:14:59 | Speedy2 | tux_mike: That did not answer the question |
| 17:15:04 | warmi | Speedy2: are you saying that boxed AMD have some sort of protection build in ? |
| 17:15:13 | Speedy2 | warmi: A 3-year warranty for one |
| 17:15:14 | kergoth | ibot: message for dwmw2: what's more current and recommended, the mtd cvs, or the jffs2-2.x bk trees? |
| 17:15:15 | tux_mike | they would be OEM processors if the system came from an OEM |
| 17:15:15 | warmi | like intel stuff that will shutdown cpu when it gets how ? |
| 17:15:32 | warmi | when it gets hot |
| 17:15:59 | kergoth | MSpin: hah, what a pain in the ass |
| 17:16:00 | MSpin | I suspect that might just be higher quality procs...but hte 3-year warentee is nice:) |
| 17:16:02 | Speedy2 | warmi: It has a small circuit to cut-off if the heat goes too high. AMD has the same thing, but it worked a little more slowly. ANd people using shitty heatsink+fans got in trouble because the heatsink would fail to work |
| 17:16:11 | tux_mike | warmi: yah, a pIII will shut itself down, a P4 will throttle itself |
| 17:16:27 | MSpin | kergoth: all I wanted to do is import a stinkin CVS repository |
| 17:16:35 | Speedy2 | MSpin: The "boxed" processors are the same except they come with an AMD approved heatsink+fan and carry a 3-year warranty. |
| 17:16:38 | kergoth | MSpin: arg |
| 17:16:43 | warmi | Speedy2: well, it was an accident .. it wasn't really fan that failed by motherboard fan power connector |
| 17:16:54 | MSpin | Speedy2: yup, which is why I spent the extra $5 on my AMD2100 |
| 17:17:00 | warmi | I got pissed a bit since I lost 1 GHZ cpu cause of that |
| 17:17:08 | tux_mike | i don't think i've used the same CPU for 3 years :) |
| 17:17:16 | warmi | I still buy AMD simply cause it is much cheaper and just as good as intel |
| 17:17:19 | Speedy2 | warmi: Yes, I understand...but that's why one goes for the boxed processor in the first place |
| 17:17:32 | kergoth | i use my cpus a lot longer than 3 years.. at least, someone does. my old shit cycles to relatives who cant afford upgrades. hehe |
| 17:17:50 | MSpin | hehe, or servers, then the firewall |
| 17:17:57 | Speedy2 | yup |
| 17:18:00 | warmi | I thought there was no difference between boxed vs OEM with exception fo warranty etc .. |
| 17:18:25 | tux_mike | kergoth: that's usually the way my things go. when i buy my toshiba libretto, my compaq laptop is going to my sister. when i upgrade my desktop, i'm gonna give the old one to my parents |
| 17:18:35 | kergoth | i remember the first time i noticed the nice heatsink+fan on a retail proc .. was a p166 mmx. hehe |
| 17:18:49 | warmi | anyway, AMD is still a much better deal |
| 17:18:51 | kergoth | tux_mike: hehe. seems a common thing to do. not much else to do with old hardware short of adding more servers to your lan.. |
| 17:18:58 | warmi | and my next box will be dual AMD MP |
| 17:19:04 | tux_mike | and i don't need more than one |
| 17:19:15 | kergoth | me neither |
| 17:19:17 | tux_mike | really likes the new libretto |
| 17:19:19 | tux_mike | anyone see it? |
| 17:19:24 | kergoth | i havent |
| 17:19:27 | George- | brb |
| 17:19:35 | kergoth | got a url? |
| 17:19:45 | tux_mike | one sec |
| 17:19:50 | tux_mike | http://www.dynamism.com/libretto/index.shtml |
| 17:20:17 | tux_mike | it's japan only, but dynamism.com will outfit it with a US English keyboard and US EN windows XP |
| 17:20:36 | tux_mike | it's got a mobility radeon, too :) |
| 17:20:43 | warmi | tux_mike: too bad this stuff is just priced out of reach .. |
| 17:20:49 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Check /msg |
| 17:20:50 | kergoth | no kidding, how much that cost? |
| 17:20:55 | tux_mike | 2g |
| 17:20:57 | MSpin | what does the ssh error 'key_verify failed for server_host_key' mean? |
| 17:21:02 | kergoth | tux_mike: not bad |
| 17:21:04 | warmi | and I am not a poor dude but this is just outrageous .. especially compared to desktop prices |
| 17:21:24 | tux_mike | it's about 500 more than the laptop is in japan. |
| 17:21:30 | kergoth | warmi: hehe. no kidding, i just blew 1400 that i couldnt afford :-) |
| 17:21:39 | warmi | 1599.00 for 600 MHZ model |
| 17:21:46 | warmi | thats just insane |
| 17:21:47 | tux_mike | plus it's a bit much for 800MHz, but i like it for the size |
| 17:21:52 | warmi | apple style |
| 17:22:07 | warmi | tux_mike: yeah, it looks great but come on .. |
| 17:22:18 | XavierXeon | off topic : http://www.fucking.at/fucking/eOrt.htm |
| 17:22:20 | tux_mike | i don't really need the speed either. |
| 17:22:37 | tux_mike | i've been working on 800 or less for ever :) |
| 17:22:50 | kergoth | the transmeta tiny notebooks look pretty nifty |
| 17:23:30 | tux_mike | warmi: i really need something small as my next laptop. i really hate the bulk of my M700, and when i bought it, it was concidered rather small |
| 17:23:33 | warmi | kergoth: you actually got a decent deal |
| 17:23:37 | George- | well, I love my powerbook |
| 17:23:41 | George- | :) |
| 17:23:55 | George- | tux_mike: the M700's are damn good... |
| 17:23:55 | warmi | tux_mike: agree but what Toshiba is asking for this stuff is just insane |
| 17:24:05 | George- | tux_mike: er, *were* damn good |
| 17:24:07 | smee|w | I love my I8100 and am envious of kergoth :) |
| 17:24:09 | tux_mike | George-: not after using it for a few years |
| 17:24:11 | warmi | $2000 for 800 Mhz ? huh |
| 17:24:18 | George- | heh |
| 17:24:22 | George- | my dad has an M700 |
| 17:24:26 | ljp_work | somehow, me thinks kergoth is currently installing debian unstable |
| 17:24:28 | George- | 500Mhz P-III |
| 17:24:28 | tux_mike | warmi: $2000 for small |
| 17:24:37 | tux_mike | my M700 is falling apart |
| 17:24:51 | George- | tux_mike: hell, the iBook is small, and it's cheaper than that |
| 17:24:54 | toolafial | likes his sony sr-33 |
| 17:24:59 | George- | tux_mike: and Apple are known for *expensive* h/w |
| 17:25:14 | tux_mike | not 10.5x6.6x.81 small |
| 17:25:17 | toolafial | eventhough it is only 600Mhz celeron |
| 17:25:21 | warmi | George is right .. even apple is a better deal than that .. isn't that something ? |
| 17:25:22 | warmi | hehe |
| 17:25:37 | George- | warmi: hehe |
| 17:25:49 | tux_mike | warmi: this is the best sub-note out there. hands down. |
| 17:25:59 | George- | warmi: it's true though |
| 17:26:06 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Is that laptop acceptable? |
| 17:26:09 | George- | tux_mike: have you seen the iBook? |
| 17:26:11 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Or too slow? |
| 17:26:15 | tux_mike | yes, i have |
| 17:26:16 | warmi | tux_mike: yeah so is ferrari among the sport cars |
| 17:26:24 | Speedy2 | :) |
| 17:26:44 | George- | tux_mike: it's really small |
| 17:26:59 | George- | tux_mike: and it has a 700Mhz G3 - faster than an 800Mhz crusoe |
| 17:27:01 | warmi | tux_mike: there is no reason for this stuf to cost that much ... they are going to hurt themselves with that kind of pricing |
| 17:27:36 | George- | tux_mike: plus, the iBook is silent (it has no fan), 5 hour batt life, CD-RW/DVD drive etc etc |
| 17:27:37 | tux_mike | warmi: the biggest reason it costs so much is it has to be imported from japan and then converted. |
| 17:27:42 | warmi | I guess if I was alone .. making as much as I do now , perhaps I could aford stuff like that |
| 17:27:45 | George- | (and before you ask, no I don't work for apple, haha) |
| 17:27:52 | Speedy2 | George-: Is it silent like a dead man? |
| 17:27:55 | Speedy2 | laughs |
| 17:28:02 | George- | Speedy2: hmm? |
| 17:28:03 | tux_mike | warmi: hence, why once i get a job, i can :) |
| 17:28:10 | warmi | but , knowing my wife, I don't date even thinking about buying this stuff |
| 17:28:15 | Speedy2 | For the curious, who did not see the episode of MacGyver with Richard Roundtree, and want the rap, let me know |
| 17:28:15 | warmi | dare even |
| 17:28:42 | warmi | tux_mike: yeah .. you would but then again .. you don't have to pay for anything else |
| 17:28:43 | warmi | hehe |
| 17:29:00 | tux_mike | it's either this, or if toshiba comes out with another laptop with a 2GHz processor, GForce 440 Go, and 1600x1200 screen |
| 17:29:09 | tux_mike | warmi: nope :) |
| 17:31:09 | warmi | zekce: you can't get much more faster than memcpy on ARM |
| 17:31:22 | warmi | I clocked their memcpy at 6 ms for entire screen update |
| 17:31:28 | warmi | they must be using ASM already |
| 17:31:56 | zekce | hehe ok thanks |
| 17:32:01 | Speedy2 | 6 ms? |
| 17:32:02 | Speedy2 | hrm |
| 17:32:04 | Speedy2 | How much data? |
| 17:32:13 | warmi | 320x240x2 |
| 17:32:17 | Speedy2 | 2 bpp? |
| 17:32:29 | warmi | 2 bytes 16 bbp |
| 17:32:40 | zekce | warmi: do you happen to have color conversion code yuv->rgb |
| 17:32:51 | warmi | no but qt code does |
| 17:33:01 | Speedy2 | 150KBytes? |
| 17:33:01 | Speedy2 | hrm |
| 17:33:06 | zekce | warmi: yes |
| 17:33:26 | zekce | Qt/E QImage got the perfect c'tor |
| 17:33:38 | Speedy2 | warmi: It should be much faster than 6ms...the theoretical memory bandwidth is in the MBytes/sec... |
| 17:33:49 | Speedy2 | hrm |
| 17:33:55 | warmi | Speedy2: I clocked unrolled *dest++=*src++ style loop in C at 9 ms per screen |
| 17:34:07 | Speedy2 | hrm |
| 17:34:11 | Speedy2 | 24MBytes/second |
| 17:34:18 | warmi | which means they are must be using asm because you can't get much faster than that in C |
| 17:34:37 | warmi | maybe not the fastest asm code but their memcpy (glibc for arm) is fast |
| 17:35:42 | warmi | Speedy2: 166 frames per sec |
| 17:35:52 | Speedy2 | hrm |
| 17:35:55 | warmi | that sounds just about as fast as you can get on 200 Mhz machine |
| 17:36:18 | warmi | it still makes sense to use asm for specialized blits like transparent or transculent |
| 17:36:48 | warmi | I doubt you will get much faster using asm just for pure memcpy |
| 17:37:29 | ljp_work | needs memcpy for his organic computer |
| 17:37:29 | Neo|Work | 'lo |
| 17:37:57 | warmi | NeoTron: how fast was your rotating blit ? |
| 17:38:00 | warmi | in ms ? |
| 17:38:09 | Neo|Work | 7.5-8 ms / frame |
| 17:38:32 | warmi | this is with no boundaries checking .. just pure 320x200 blit ? |
| 17:38:52 | Neo|Work | well, I check 240x320 boundaries... |
| 17:39:04 | Neo|Work | but that's done by two for loops |
| 17:39:17 | warmi | no I mean .. can this blit handle 40x40 blit in the middle of the screen ? |
| 17:39:27 | warmi | or is it just specialized full screen copy ? |
| 17:39:31 | Neo|Work | a somewhat modified version could |
| 17:39:38 | warmi | ah ok |
| 17:39:53 | warmi | 8 ms is mighty fast |
| 17:39:56 | Neo|Work | meaning, I have in Candy Cruncher and SDL a version that can handle blitting parts of a 240x320 sourc to the screen |
| 17:40:20 | warmi | memcpy gets to 6 ms |
| 17:40:23 | Neo|Work | but not one that can blit a 40x40 source memory area to the middle of the screen, although that'd be relatively simple to fix most likely |
| 17:40:32 | Neo|Work | 5-6 ms for memcpy yes |
| 17:40:52 | warmi | today I will break that barrier .. |
| 17:40:54 | warmi | or not |
| 17:40:54 | Neo|Work | which is why I find my method fast enough. :) |
| 17:40:57 | warmi | will see |
| 17:40:59 | warmi | :-) |
| 17:41:20 | warmi | if I cannot make it at least 3 ms per screen |
| 17:41:31 | warmi | then memcpy is as fast as it can get |
| 17:41:42 | warmi | and using asm would only make sense for specialized blits |
| 17:41:45 | Neo|Work | Rocket Elite btw likes to have 110 fps.. |
| 17:41:52 | warmi | like transparent etc |
| 17:42:36 | warmi | Speedy2: are you around ? |
| 17:44:39 | warmi | zecke: http://www.warmi.net/httpd/html/qt3/qtsrc/src/kernel/qcolor.cpp.html |
| 17:44:52 | warmi | search on that page for "void QColor::hsv" |
| 17:44:54 | zekce | Neo|Work: can you help me with making a rgb buffer to a QImage |
| 17:44:54 | Speedy2 | warmi: Yes, sorry |
| 17:45:04 | warmi | source code for converting RGB to HSV |
| 17:45:07 | zekce | Neo|Work: I know of one specialed Qt/E QImage c'tor |
| 17:45:27 | warmi | Speedy2: do you know if framebuffer on 1100 is basically system memory or is it some sort of graphic memory ? |
| 17:45:42 | warmi | basicalyl if there is any penalty for accesing that memory as opposed to accesing ram |
| 17:45:47 | Speedy2 | warmi: It's shared with main memory. The LCD DMAs data from the main memory out |
| 17:46:05 | warmi | but still it would be slower since LCD has to read it all the time right ? |
| 17:46:08 | Speedy2 | warmi: No, it appears as a standard memory access. But the Z could be doing weird things, they have an extra chip or two for the LCD |
| 17:46:30 | Speedy2 | warmi: The LCD controller is a high-bandwidth peripheral, attached to the system bus. It DMAs data from main memory via the high-speed system bus. The CPU core is also on the system bus. |
| 17:46:40 | warmi | ah ok |
| 17:46:42 | Speedy2 | Does that help? |
| 17:46:56 | warmi | so basically reading or writing from framebuffer mem is no different than doing it with system mem |
| 17:46:59 | warmi | thanks |
| 17:47:12 | Speedy2 | Yes, unless Sharp has done some weirdo things with the LCD interface (which I think they have!) |
| 17:47:27 | warmi | this is not the case on desktop boxes when reading from on-board graphic memory is way slower .. |
| 17:47:30 | warmi | or used to be |
| 17:48:13 | Speedy2 | Yes |
| 17:48:31 | Neo|Work | zekce: it's not hard really - what is the problem? |
| 17:48:33 | Speedy2 | Well, on desktops, the memory is accessed via the chipset, and the video card has to go through chipset, etc. |
| 17:48:49 | warmi | Speedy2: yeah .. |
| 17:48:53 | warmi | so ... |
| 17:48:54 | Speedy2 | The chipset has to arbitrate between devices wishing to access the memory. |
| 17:49:27 | Speedy2 | On the SA1110 processor, there is no such arbitration, the CPU core and select peripherals have direct access to memory via the memory controller on the processor |
| 17:49:49 | NetAmp | sweet |
| 17:49:51 | NetAmp | ;) |
| 17:49:51 | warmi | do we know maximum mem bandwith on sa 1100 ? |
| 17:49:55 | Speedy2 | Other low-speed peripherals get access via the slower system bus |
| 17:49:59 | Speedy2 | warmi: I have that information somewhere |
| 17:50:14 | Speedy2 | warmi: The system bus is run at half the core clock. In this case, system bus is 103MHz |
| 17:50:16 | warmi | I am just wondering if that 6 ms is all we can get out of it |
| 17:50:28 | NetAmp | Speedy2: you've done your homework alright, haven't you? ;) |
| 17:50:35 | warmi | ior are we hitting mem bandwith limitation here |
| 17:50:50 | Speedy2 | NetAmp: You kinda have to if you design products with the processor, ya know |
| 17:50:55 | Speedy2 | warmi: Let me check, hold on |
| 17:51:01 | warmi | NetAmp: what's so sweet ? |
| 17:51:06 | NetAmp | hehe OK that's true.. |
| 17:51:23 | NetAmp | warmi: well, that it has fast direct access ;) |
| 17:51:26 | kergoth | whats the issue? i missed most of the discussion |
| 17:51:30 | NetAmp | but apperently not yet fast enough? |
| 17:51:30 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:51:34 | warmi | not really an issue |
| 17:51:51 | warmi | just wondering what is maxium mem thruoutput on SA 1100 |
| 17:51:52 | djax | Re |
| 17:52:14 | kergoth | ah |
| 17:52:18 | warmi | kergoth: with memcpy we are getting 24MBytes/second |
| 17:52:43 | ljp_work | display? |
| 17:53:02 | ljp_work | I missed something, I think |
| 17:53:06 | warmi | yeah .. doesn't matter apparenlty since display is just mapped system memory |
| 17:53:09 | Speedy2 | warmi: Memory clock is run at half CPU clock, 103MHz, confirmed. |
| 17:53:44 | Speedy2 | warmi: There is a PDF you need "LCD Considerations for SA-1110 processor" |
| 17:53:56 | warmi | huh another pdf :-) |
| 17:54:00 | NetAmp | hehe |
| 17:54:07 | kergoth | man i havent finished reading the pdfs i already have |
| 17:54:08 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:54:12 | warmi | I hate pdfs .. they are crappy as far as reading on the screen |
| 17:54:22 | warmi | printouts are great though |
| 17:54:24 | NetAmp | print 'em :P |
| 17:54:26 | NetAmp | hah |
| 17:54:51 | warmi | some of these ARM pdfs are great |
| 17:55:11 | warmi | in one of them I found that idea of using multple register load/store for fast memory blits |
| 17:55:19 | toolafial | reading pdfs on an lcd screen aren't bad |
| 17:55:19 | kergoth | the intel sa1110 doc is quite useful |
| 17:55:26 | kergoth | i love pdfs, but i print them too |
| 17:55:28 | Speedy2 | warmi: It is possible that the SDRAM clock is half the memory clock, depending on how Sharp configured the unit. |
| 17:55:32 | benmeyer | hey! |
| 17:55:35 | kergoth | that intel doc was a damn long printout |
| 17:55:36 | kergoth | hey ben |
| 17:55:42 | warmi | that would never work on intel where multiple register -> stack is one of the slowest thigns you can do |
| 17:55:45 | Speedy2 | i.e. SDRAM clock == 51.5MHz |
| 17:55:46 | benmeyer | irc.linux.org has been down for a day or so |
| 17:55:47 | benmeyer | foo |
| 17:55:56 | JasonNJ | yo. |
| 17:55:57 | kergoth | hey jason |
| 17:56:01 | fusion94 | werd |
| 17:56:02 | Speedy2 | warmi: I want to give you an address that you need to read from |
| 17:56:05 | Cloudchaser | hiya |
| 17:56:06 | JasonNJ | yo goth, how goes the kernie |
| 17:56:11 | warmi | Speedy2: ok |
| 17:56:12 | kergoth | JasonNJ: i'm working with david woodhouse to get the zaurusr flash chips supported in mtd cvs. |
| 17:56:40 | Speedy2 | 0h A000 001C |
| 17:56:55 | warmi | Speedy2: today I will test this stuff finally with , what I think is the fastest way to blit on ARM ( according to ARM docs as well) |
| 17:57:03 | warmi | will see if I get below 6 ms |
| 17:57:06 | Speedy2 | warmi: Today I will die. |
| 17:57:49 | warmi | JasonNJ: btw .. check myzaurus.com |
| 17:57:57 | Speedy2 | warmi: I don't know if that address has been translated or not. Do a read from it now please |
| 17:58:07 | warmi | especially 24MBytes/second |
| 17:58:11 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Is there a function to do a hard read from a physical address? |
| 17:58:14 | NetAmp | Is there a Z port of 'SameGame'? |
| 17:58:14 | warmi | I mean : Linu@ for iPAQ |
| 17:58:16 | warmi | sorry |
| 17:58:19 | George- | warmi: still bitching about Linu@? |
| 17:58:23 | George- | :) |
| 17:58:32 | warmi | hehe .. not bitching just wondering |
| 17:58:35 | benmeyer | anyone seen linuette? |
| 17:58:39 | kergoth | Speedy2: from a physical address? not to my knowledge, i always use readw/l and the like on virtual addresses |
| 17:58:39 | warmi | Speedy2: ? which address ? |
| 17:58:46 | benmeyer | i.e. taken the time to try it |
| 17:58:50 | Speedy2 | 0xA000 001C |
| 17:59:39 | Speedy2 | warmi: Hey damn it, aren't you supposed to do a read from that address/ |
| 17:59:40 | Speedy2 | ? |
| 17:59:42 | Speedy2 | What the hell are you doing? |
| 17:59:58 | kergoth | Speedy2: couldnt you just put that address through a phys_to_virt function and call readw? |
| 18:00:15 | Speedy2 | kergoth: I think that would work, I don't recall what Linux/OS functions exist. |
| 18:00:18 | Speedy2 | (Damn MMU) |
| 18:00:22 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:00:33 | Speedy2 | kergoth: I think the Sharp chips should be supported already, they support the CFI |
| 18:00:40 | kergoth | Speedy2: they do?? |
| 18:00:49 | Speedy2 | kergoth: That's what I recall from reading the PDF |
| 18:01:01 | kergoth | Speedy2: currently the driver they use is a copy of sharp.c, which is the pre-cfi sharp flash chip driver |
| 18:01:02 | Speedy2 | *** Santana has joined #netbsd |
| 18:01:02 | Speedy2 | <Speedy2> Can you play some funky music for us? |
| 18:01:02 | Speedy2 | <Santana> "play that funky music white booooy, play that funky music rrrighttt" |
| 18:01:02 | Speedy2 | <Speedy2> awesome |
| 18:01:03 | kergoth | Speedy2: which pdf? |
| 18:01:08 | Speedy2 | kergoth: let me check |
| 18:01:21 | tux_mike | kergoth: how is the next oz coming? |
| 18:01:23 | kergoth | Speedy2: k. i couldnt find specs on this exact model of flash chip, just ones close to it |
| 18:01:30 | Speedy2 | I got the exact model |
| 18:01:34 | kergoth | tux_mike: my dev box is resurrected and not running redaht 6.2 anymore ;-) |
| 18:01:40 | kergoth | tux_mike: so soon now |
| 18:01:54 | tux_mike | my packages database just went kaput |
| 18:02:04 | Speedy2 | Let me check the pics, one sec |
| 18:02:09 | tux_mike | looks like i need to flash agan |
| 18:02:10 | kergoth | k |
| 18:02:14 | JasonNJ | warmi_away: what the hell is that doing there? |
| 18:02:47 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Yes, I got the data sheet for the exact part. |
| 18:02:53 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Can you accept DCC? |
| 18:02:55 | warmi_away | JasonNJ: yeah .. |
| 18:02:57 | warmi_away | hehe |
| 18:03:01 | warmi_away | who knows |
| 18:03:03 | Speedy2 | warmi: Hey, do a read from that address damn you |
| 18:03:04 | kergoth | Speedy2: nope. can you email to kergoth@digitalnemesis.net? |
| 18:03:12 | Speedy2 | Only if you promise to e-mail back |
| 18:03:19 | warmi_away | it is going to confuse a lot of non-technical Zaurus users .. that's for sure |
| 18:03:21 | Speedy2 | A poem would be nice. |
| 18:03:24 | kergoth | Speedy2: hah |
| 18:03:26 | Speedy2 | :) |
| 18:03:35 | JasonNJ | warmi_away: does it run on a Z? |
| 18:03:35 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Yes, actually, in response, give me your snail mail address |
| 18:03:37 | warmi_away | Speedy2: I don't have my Z with me now |
| 18:03:42 | Speedy2 | warmi: That's no excuse. |
| 18:03:43 | warmi_away | JasonNJ: no |
| 18:03:45 | kergoth | Speedy2: k |
| 18:03:50 | tux_mike | kergoth: did you have a feed of the latest opie for the Z? |
| 18:03:52 | warmi_away | heh |
| 18:04:05 | warmi_away | I am at work :-) |
| 18:04:12 | kergoth | tux_mike: yeah, oz3 feed |
| 18:04:20 | | i heard oz3 feed was at http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/feeds/3.0/ |
| 18:04:20 | kergoth | ibot: oz3 feed? |
| 18:04:24 | tux_mike | kergoth: how recent? |
| 18:04:36 | NetAmp | starts a poem called: "Zaurus, Zaurus, where art thou?" |
| 18:04:38 | warmi_away | JasonNJ: they claim it requires ipaq ... it is basically their won Qtopia like enviroment |
| 18:04:47 | warmi_away | own even |
| 18:05:03 | kergoth | tux_mike: last week iirc. check the datestamp |
| 18:05:20 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Message has been sent. |
| 18:05:24 | kergoth | Speedy2: thanks |
| 18:05:29 | Speedy2 | kergoth: You are welcome. |
| 18:05:37 | JasonNJ | if they can make it run on the Z, I have no problem with them uploading it |
| 18:06:24 | warmi_away | it clearly states at the bottom: Requirements : Compaq iPAQ(3600 series) PocketPC 1 set |
| 18:07:10 | kergoth | Speedy2: hey thats the bfhe not bx.. hmmmm |
| 18:07:12 | warmi_away | it does look interesting though |
| 18:07:23 | Speedy2 | kergoth: The picture I shows |
| 18:07:26 | Speedy2 | uhh, one second |
| 18:07:35 | Speedy2 | LH28F640BFHE-PTTL80 |
| 18:07:47 | NetAmp | ? |
| 18:07:54 | kergoth | thats from what? the pics of the Z internals? |
| 18:08:02 | Speedy2 | LH28F640BFHE-PTTL90 is what's in the intrenals |
| 18:08:05 | kergoth | hah |
| 18:08:09 | kergoth | stupid stupid specs doc |
| 18:08:12 | Speedy2 | 90ns vs. 80ns |
| 18:08:15 | kergoth | showed LF28F640BX |
| 18:08:27 | kergoth | thanks :-) |
| 18:08:47 | Neo|Work | warmi_away: sure it isn't just a packaged qtopia or something? application list look rather similar |
| 18:08:58 | sjohnson | crosses his fingers.... |
| 18:09:03 | Speedy2 | I suspect BX == B series, X is some extensions |
| 18:09:36 | warmi_away | no, it is their own qte installation without Qtopia |
| 18:09:39 | kergoth | ibot: message for dwmw2: thanks to speedy2, it appears that the sharp flash chips are actually LH28F640BFHE-PTTL90, and support CFI. life is good. |
| 18:09:59 | NetAmp | hehe |
| 18:10:12 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Check the spec to make sure, but I'm fairly certain it supports CFI |
| 18:10:14 | NetAmp | at least my life will be better next week ;) |
| 18:10:15 | Neo|Work | so anyone want a Japanese Bust'em? :) |
| 18:10:17 | kergoth | Speedy2: just did :-) |
| 18:10:18 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Check your /msg |
| 18:10:47 | Neo|Work | Speedy2: what do work with btw? building embedded systems? |
| 18:10:55 | Speedy2 | Neo: Yes. |
| 18:11:02 | warmi_away | kergoth: what does it mean ? we can put memory ? |
| 18:13:37 | Speedy2 | It means you can access Flash directly via Linux OS |
| 18:13:43 | Speedy2 | Through MMAP and other OS functions |
| 18:13:51 | kergoth | well its going to make getting it supported upstream a lot easier |
| 18:14:31 | kergoth | I dont want things supported in gross hacks anymore, i'm looking for generally useful ways to make things work and get the changes pushed to the maintainers |
| 18:14:31 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:14:41 | kergoth | which is why this is taking a lot longer than i expected |
| 18:14:47 | George- | man |
| 18:14:58 | George- | only another 6 million megabytes of linux kernel to download |
| 18:15:02 | kergoth | hah |
| 18:15:06 | kergoth | what ver? |
| 18:15:18 | kergoth | woah, i almost forgot about lunch again |
| 18:15:20 | kergoth | i need help |
| 18:16:33 | Speedy2 | umm, if only I could figure out why I set the cut-off for this filter at 364Hz |
| 18:21:55 | Neo|Work | > "This is the version 1.0 software. To be honest, I don't even know if the |
| 18:21:55 | Neo|Work | > software is good enough for some of the carriers," Cazzaro says. |
| 18:22:03 | benmeyer | hey there |
| 18:22:06 | benmeyer | got a changlog for you |
| 18:22:06 | Neo|Work | in regards to version 1.0 of M$ Smartphone code |
| 18:22:08 | benmeyer | for the new rom |
| 18:22:09 | benmeyer | :-D |
| 18:22:14 | Cloudchaser | hullo |
| 18:25:12 | Neo|Work | benmeyer: so where is it? :P |
| 18:25:24 | benmeyer | ugg in a ms excell sheet |
| 18:25:33 | benmeyer | attempting to convert to text... |
| 18:26:50 | Neo|Work | the use of excel sheets for everything is so dumb sometimes |
| 18:27:02 | benmeyer | bla kspread can't, what other excell apps are there? |
| 18:27:11 | Neo|Work | gnumeric |
| 18:27:12 | benmeyer | agreed |
| 18:27:14 | benmeyer | oh yah |
| 18:27:15 | kergoth`lunch | openoffice? |
| 18:27:16 | kergoth`lunch | heh |
| 18:27:22 | kergoth | eats his soup |
| 18:27:29 | George- | wb kergoth |
| 18:27:29 | benmeyer | ahahahah |
| 18:27:35 | George- | kergoth: ping |
| 18:27:37 | benmeyer | forgot was running redhat No aptget |
| 18:27:41 | George- | hehe |
| 18:27:41 | kergoth | hah |
| 18:27:44 | kergoth | i hate that |
| 18:27:50 | Neo|Work | benmeyer: up2date? |
| 18:27:50 | kergoth | install apt for rpm :-) |
| 18:27:53 | George- | eating in front of a computer? the art of one handed IRC'ing :) |
| 18:27:57 | ljp_work | rpm -iv aptget.rpm |
| 18:28:01 | benmeyer | up2date can't give you apps |
| 18:28:07 | kergoth | George-: nah its typetypetypetype .. bite .. typetypetypetype |
| 18:28:41 | benmeyer | ok I am going to let Jason convert the fiel once he gets off the phone, sorrty for the delay |
| 18:28:54 | George- | kergoth: haha |
| 18:29:56 | Cloudchaser | thanks ben |
| 18:30:01 | Cloudchaser | will he post it? |
| 18:30:07 | benmeyer | y |
| 18:30:09 | Cloudchaser | :) |
| 18:30:42 | kergoth | i love campbells chunky soups |
| 18:33:13 | ljp_work | well, then , if you love it so much, why don't you marryit? |
| 18:33:27 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:33:33 | kergoth | i remember saying that in elementary school |
| 18:33:40 | ljp_work | but that might be a little sloppy |
| 18:33:53 | Speedy2 | Ahh, my memories of just 2 years ago...err .... |
| 18:33:57 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:33:58 | ljp_work | I still say it.. hmmm |
| 18:34:14 | ljp_work | maybe I havent progressed since then |
| 18:34:28 | kergoth | ljp_work: you should add this doc on the Z flash memory to the opie.us devzone |
| 18:34:41 | ljp_work | ok. url? |
| 18:34:43 | kergoth | ljp_work: since it seems to collect useful Z info |
| 18:34:53 | kergoth | Speedy2: remember where you got this pdf? hehe |
| 18:34:55 | ljp_work | or email |
| 18:34:59 | Speedy2 | pico == 1x10^-12, right |
| 18:35:06 | Speedy2 | kergoth: From Sharp's website, with a bit of creative searching |
| 18:35:07 | kergoth | ljp_work: i'll email it to ya. which email addy? |
| 18:35:22 | ljp_work | is it big? |
| 18:35:29 | kergoth | nah, like 300k |
| 18:35:30 | Speedy2 | I usually wget these sites...this time I just got the PDF |
| 18:35:36 | ljp_work | ljp at llornkcor.com |
| 18:35:40 | Speedy2 | kergoth: SO, you're selling my warez, huh? I demand royalties |
| 18:35:41 | Speedy2 | heh |
| 18:35:46 | kergoth | hah |
| 18:36:04 | ljp_work | I'm gonna start opiewarez.net |
| 18:36:15 | ljp_work | and sell opie apps! |
| 18:36:16 | Speedy2 | Call it opium.net |
| 18:37:59 | George- | ljp_work: seriously? |
| 18:38:06 | ljp_work | hahaha sure |
| 18:38:11 | ljp_work | reverse warez |
| 18:38:42 | Speedy2 | kergoth: The PDF answers all your questions, correct? |
| 18:38:55 | Speedy2 | There might have been some application notes too |
| 18:39:02 | benmeyer | www.zreaw.com |
| 18:39:10 | benmeyer | www.zeraw.com |
| 18:39:32 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
| 18:39:37 | kergoth | Speedy2: yep, definately. I'll have the rootfs mounted in 2.5.x real soon now ;-) |
| 18:39:44 | Twiun | rehi |
| 18:39:58 | Cloudchaser | hiya again twiun |
| 18:40:14 | kergoth | man i hate the key bindings for mutt on this box.. time to fix that |
| 18:40:19 | kergoth | re Twiun |
| 18:43:54 | ljp_work | kergoth: did you hear.. they cancelled the workshops cause the German Ministry of Edu wasn't going to show |
| 18:44:08 | kergoth | ljp_work: shit, that sucks |
| 18:44:21 | ljp_work | yep |
| 18:44:31 | Cloudchaser | aww :( |
| 18:44:32 | djax | Has anyone the zgcc on his Zaurus? |
| 18:46:31 | kergoth | aha |
| 18:46:37 | kergoth | i couldnt figure out why make openzaurus was failing |
| 18:46:40 | kergoth | i forgot to install 'patch' |
| 18:46:44 | Twiun | lol |
| 18:46:48 | NetAmp | ;) |
| 18:46:57 | bipolar | I swear... this zaurus-general list as attracted a lot of babys |
| 18:47:00 | George- | kergoth: building beta 10.3? |
| 18:47:06 | kergoth | George-: trying, yeah |
| 18:47:11 | George- | kergoth: yay!~ :) |
| 18:47:20 | George- | bipolar: hmm? |
| 18:47:22 | kergoth | bipolar: yeah, i dont cry when my spam filters accidentally kill my z-g digest messages |
| 18:47:23 | ljp_work | ok. if you need to patch patch.. how would you do that? |
| 18:47:25 | NetAmp | bipolar: babEs would be better ;) |
| 18:47:31 | benmeyer | anyone going to linux expo in San Fransico? |
| 18:47:32 | kergoth | ljp_work: carefully? |
| 18:47:36 | ljp_work | hehe |
| 18:47:38 | treke | I'm going |
| 18:47:47 | bipolar | NetAmp: nah... I'm already married. :) |
| 18:47:53 | NetAmp | so? :P |
| 18:47:53 | kergoth | bah i'm broke, i'm not flying anywhere |
| 18:47:55 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:47:55 | ljp_work | benmeyer: not unless someone pays for me to |
| 18:48:00 | kergoth | yes same here |
| 18:48:00 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:48:08 | NetAmp | 3some won't harm you (as long as it's you and 2 women :P) |
| 18:48:34 | George- | whappy hooo |
| 18:48:34 | ljp_work | oh, you Europeans are all the same... |
| 18:48:34 | W|GGL|T | is back (gone 10:47:22) |
| 18:48:36 | bipolar | NetAmp: I'll ask my wife... well, maybe I won't... |
| 18:48:37 | kergoth | NetAmp: hehe. its a RARE woman who can do that and not have it fuck up the relationship :-) |
| 18:48:38 | George- | make kernel has just started |
| 18:48:45 | kergoth | George-: cool |
| 18:48:48 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Speak you from experience? |
| 18:48:50 | George- | after downloading $HUGE num of sources from the internet |
| 18:48:52 | kergoth | Speedy2: yes |
| 18:48:55 | bipolar | Speedy2: lol |
| 18:48:57 | NetAmp | true... you gotta have a 'flexible' wife |
| 18:48:59 | George- | kergoth: on 56k :) |
| 18:49:02 | kergoth | George-: hah |
| 18:49:05 | kergoth | George-: :-) |
| 18:49:09 | benmeyer | kergoth: were do you live |
| 18:49:11 | kergoth | George-: i'm glad you arent trying to build glibc |
| 18:49:15 | George- | kergoth: what? |
| 18:49:15 | kergoth | benmeyer: minnesota |
| 18:49:16 | Speedy2 | benmeyer: MN |
| 18:49:22 | George- | kergoth: how long does that take *shiver*? |
| 18:49:28 | Speedy2 | years |
| 18:49:31 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:49:34 | tux_mike | kergoth: is everythign on the oz feed an upgrade for b10? |
| 18:49:37 | kergoth | glibc does take a while to build though |
| 18:49:41 | George- | hmm |
| 18:49:44 | kergoth | tux_mike: er ? |
| 18:49:46 | treke | benmeyer: Sarp gonna have zaurii on disply? |
| 18:49:47 | George- | I have a 700MHz celeron w/320MB RAM |
| 18:50:04 | benmeyer | I was thinking of having a opie meeting at linux world if there was enough interest |
| 18:50:05 | kergoth | George-: yeah itd be a while :-) |
| 18:50:10 | tux_mike | all those packages in the oz3 feed, are they upgrades for what's on b10? |
| 18:50:13 | benmeyer | might |
| 18:50:18 | kergoth | tux_mike: ah, no, quite a few are unchanged |
| 18:50:30 | George- | kergoth: heh, I wonder how long it'd take on a PPC 667MHz w/512MB RAM? |
| 18:50:33 | kergoth | tux_mike: but all of opie is yeah |
| 18:50:34 | ljp_work | benmeyer: most opie devs are in Germany |
| 18:51:00 | benmeyer | That is what I figured |
| 18:51:01 | kergoth | ljp, arent we the only ones in the US? and I'm not much of an opie developer, i havent touched the code in a long fucking time |
| 18:51:04 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:51:07 | benmeyer | but I also know there are still some us ones |
| 18:51:08 | Speedy2 | George: It's not CPU intensive, it's I/O intensive. |
| 18:51:17 | George- | I/O> |
| 18:51:17 | Speedy2 | Compiling these days is more I/O than CPU. That's why SCSI 0wnz |
| 18:51:18 | George- | ? |
| 18:51:21 | Speedy2 | Input / Output |
| 18:51:24 | Speedy2 | reading/writing to disk |
| 18:51:30 | Speedy2 | and IDE just plain suxxx |
| 18:51:30 | MSpin | mmmm...SCSI |
| 18:51:31 | George- | hmm |
| 18:51:33 | kergoth | yeah its a hell of a lot faster on my caching raid array than the ide drive at my work |
| 18:51:36 | Speedy2 | :) |
| 18:51:37 | ljp_work | kergoth: yes.. I think tux_mike is also, |
| 18:51:40 | Speedy2 | kergoth: DPT? |
| 18:51:43 | NetAmp | would RAID be ok too? |
| 18:51:44 | kergoth | ljp_work ah yes, thats right |
| 18:51:47 | NetAmp | ;) |
| 18:51:58 | Speedy2 | NetAMP: IDE RAID is a conflict in terms |
| 18:51:59 | kergoth | Speedy2: AMI (now LSI) MegaRaid. 3 channel, but its only ultra wide |
| 18:52:04 | Speedy2 | Yes |
| 18:52:11 | NetAmp | hehe |
| 18:52:12 | Speedy2 | I ordered my new Ultra-320 dual-channel SCSI |
| 18:52:17 | kergoth | oo |
| 18:52:20 | ljp_work | benmeyer: we could participate maybe via irc, unless Sharp wants to fly us there ;) |
| 18:52:21 | tux_mike | ljp_work: i am what? |
| 18:52:31 | kergoth | ljp_work: could phone conference too |
| 18:52:31 | ljp_work | didnt you do some opie dev? |
| 18:52:37 | kergoth | tux_mike: one of the opie devels in the US |
| 18:52:45 | kergoth | ljp_work: he did the addressbook UI improvements |
| 18:52:59 | ljp_work | thats what I thought |
| 18:53:36 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Did you send me the PDF? |
| 18:53:49 | kergoth | Speedy2: nah i've been sitting here eating my soup |
| 18:53:53 | NetAmp | hehe |
| 18:53:54 | kergoth | Speedy2: but i'll do it now |
| 18:53:55 | ljp_work | I got it after the 3rd try :D |
| 18:53:57 | tux_mike | yah, i may be doing backend improvments too |
| 18:54:02 | kergoth | lhehe |
| 18:54:08 | kergoth | my mutt key bindings were all messed up |
| 18:54:19 | Neo|Work | I'm sure Linux World is somewhere far far away. :P |
| 18:54:19 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Are you a mormon? |
| 18:54:19 | George- | you don't get SCSI on laptops :) |
| 18:54:24 | Neo|Work | like CA or NY or something |
| 18:54:26 | Speedy2 | George: Wrong. |
| 18:54:39 | kergoth | Speedy2: nah |
| 18:54:51 | Cloudchaser | hiya |
| 18:54:58 | Speedy2 | I wonder, is polygamy really over-rated? heh |
| 18:55:09 | George- | Speedy2: damn :) |
| 18:55:18 | Speedy2 | heh |
| 18:55:29 | George- | Speedy2: what laptops have SCSI? |
| 18:55:39 | George- | Speedy2: (That are thin 'n' light 'n' stylish)? |
| 18:55:50 | killefiz_work | George- sparc laptops! |
| 18:55:52 | Speedy2 | George: Well some older ones did, but I have an Acraptec APA-1480, Ultra-SCSI Cardbus |
| 18:55:59 | Speedy2 | card |
| 18:56:09 | Speedy2 | It's narrow...but still very much SCSI. |
| 18:56:32 | George- | killefiz_work: what? sparc laptops? I thought sparc was only high-end servers? |
| 18:56:38 | Speedy2 | SparcBook |
| 18:56:46 | MSpin | I like my RAID5 on my websever:) only software raid tho |
| 18:56:47 | Speedy2 | HP also makes PARISC laptops |
| 18:56:51 | kergoth | i really like the sparc arch |
| 18:57:00 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Really? I think it has issues |
| 18:57:18 | MSpin | kergoth: did you know that the sparc doesn't do out of order execution? |
| 18:57:19 | kergoth | Speedy2: well I dont know much about the low level stuff :-) |
| 18:57:20 | Speedy2 | kergoth: I think Alpha is prob. the best Superscalar RISC architecture |
| 18:57:38 | kergoth | Speedy2: hp is continuing alpha development right? |
| 18:57:40 | Speedy2 | heh. I know the Alpha/StrongARM guys. They're crazy amazing |
| 18:57:45 | Speedy2 | kergoth: For this last generation. |
| 18:57:50 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Then they will kill it |
| 18:57:54 | kergoth | Speedy2: that sucks. |
| 18:57:59 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Agreed. |
| 18:58:11 | Speedy2 | The Alpha guys are the ones who did the StrongARM FYI |
| 18:58:20 | Speedy2 | StrongARM was done by like 80% Alpha dudes |
| 18:58:21 | killefiz_work | George- there are some sparcbook - expensive as hell - huge and they'll give you about 30-45minutes on batteries |
| 18:58:23 | kergoth | I didnt realize.. |
| 18:58:32 | Speedy2 | I will quote Sir Mix A Lot |
| 18:58:39 | Speedy2 | "You other brothers can't deny..." -- Sir Mix A Lot |
| 18:58:47 | kergoth | hah |
| 18:58:52 | kergoth | i need that mp3 |
| 18:58:52 | Speedy2 | :) |
| 18:58:54 | Speedy2 | Ok |
| 18:58:56 | Speedy2 | I have it |
| 18:58:59 | Speedy2 | But you can't accept DCC |
| 18:59:09 | kergoth | nope, at work. i'll just dig it up when i get home |
| 18:59:10 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:59:12 | Speedy2 | heh |
| 18:59:31 | George- | killefiz_work: that's useless :) |
| 18:59:55 | Speedy2 | HP once made a StrongARM laptop |
| 18:59:59 | Speedy2 | It ran WinCE |
| 19:00:05 | Speedy2 | They killed it |
| 19:00:06 | Speedy2 | Fools. |
| 19:00:10 | George- | hhaha |
| 19:00:15 | George- | what crap was that |
| 19:00:18 | Speedy2 | Well |
| 19:00:18 | NetAmp | well.. ofcourse, it ran WinCE :P |
| 19:00:18 | George- | StrongARM laptop |
| 19:00:23 | Speedy2 | Battery life of like 11 hrs |
| 19:00:29 | Speedy2 | So...what do you think ? |
| 19:00:30 | NetAmp | whoah |
| 19:00:32 | kergoth | heh, thatd be sweet |
| 19:00:33 | NetAmp | l33t |
| 19:00:36 | Speedy2 | Cause, let's see |
| 19:00:43 | Speedy2 | StrongARM blows about 400mW |
| 19:00:50 | Speedy2 | P166 blow like 1.2W min? |
| 19:01:00 | Speedy2 | My P166 gets ~2 hrs battery life |
| 19:01:05 | Speedy2 | You do the math |
| 19:01:10 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:01:14 | Neo|Work | just make a dual xscale 400 linux laptop or something. :P |
| 19:01:18 | kergoth | i want a 400mhz xscale laptop :-) |
| 19:01:20 | kergoth | yeah |
| 19:01:21 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:01:35 | zecke | you don't want a XScale ;) |
| 19:01:36 | Neo|Work | of course, the CPU is really not the major user of battery necessarily, now is it? |
| 19:01:36 | Speedy2 | And newer batteries have even more life... |
| 19:01:40 | kergoth | i wonder where cpu clock scaling is at atm |
| 19:01:41 | zecke | look at ther erata |
| 19:01:44 | kergoth | zecke: why not? |
| 19:01:44 | Speedy2 | Neo: These days it is |
| 19:01:46 | Neo|Work | if you compare CPU with all other compontents |
| 19:01:56 | Speedy2 | kergoth: You want Intel's competetor as your main CPU |
| 19:02:01 | zecke | kergoth: it's broken |
| 19:02:33 | Neo|Work | zecke: isn't it just WinCE that's broken or does it have nice core bugs too? |
| 19:02:36 | Speedy2 | Neo: With CPUs scaling into the GHz, even with .10uM technology, you bet your ass the CPU consumes power |
| 19:02:45 | zecke | Neo|Work: the CPU is broken |
| 19:03:00 | zecke | Neo|Work: cache pipelin is broken but look at the erata at intel |
| 19:03:04 | kergoth | zecke: how so? i suppose i should go to intels site and read some |
| 19:03:06 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:03:31 | MSpin | zecke: will this be fixed in a later rev? or is it fairly fundemental? |
| 19:03:46 | Neo|Work | anyone here knows Japanese? or at least wants to qa a japanese version of Bust'em? :) |
| 19:04:29 | NetAmp | manga sushi toshiba |
| 19:04:37 | NetAmp | knows Japanese, see? |
| 19:04:45 | George- | Neo|Work: qa? |
| 19:05:00 | zecke | MSpin: this is beyond my scope |
| 19:05:03 | kergoth | zecke: got a url for the errata? |
| 19:05:23 | Neo|Work | heh. I think it works fine from what I can see on my own zaurus |
| 19:05:25 | zecke | kergoth: I'm searching it again |
| 19:05:31 | kergoth | zecke: k |
| 19:06:02 | zecke | and the PocketLoox from couldn't be delievered cause of the lack of XScale CPUs |
| 19:06:11 | Oriumpor | how wierd |
| 19:06:34 | George- | /bin/sh: fakeroot: command not found |
| 19:06:37 | Oriumpor | irc.linux.com looks split |
| 19:06:38 | George- | wth is fakeroot? |
| 19:06:55 | kergoth | George-: not absolutely required, but if you dont use it you'd better run make kernel as root |
| 19:07:19 | Oriumpor | i really wish I had a faster laptop : ( |
| 19:07:37 | Oriumpor | I can't play mp3's and do anything but open up a terminal |
| 19:07:51 | tux_mike | how fast is your laptop? |
| 19:07:57 | Oriumpor | slower than my Z |
| 19:07:58 | Oriumpor | :P |
| 19:08:17 | tux_mike | that's bad |
| 19:08:25 | tux_mike | P90? |
| 19:08:31 | Oriumpor | 133 |
| 19:08:32 | kergoth | zecke: I dont see any errata on xscale itself, are you sure it wasnt a problem with specific intel xscale chips? ie. pxa250 or something |
| 19:08:44 | Oriumpor | it rival's my jornada |
| 19:09:00 | tux_mike | jornadas were in many speeds |
| 19:09:18 | Oriumpor | SH3 133 :P |
| 19:09:40 | tux_mike | remembers his jornada 45MHz SH3 |
| 19:09:41 | George- | Oriumpor: which jornada? |
| 19:09:45 | George- | Oriumpor: 548? |
| 19:09:47 | Oriumpor | 548 |
| 19:09:49 | Oriumpor | yeah |
| 19:09:58 | Oriumpor | I've been trying to get linux on it for like 3 years now |
| 19:10:13 | George- | does it work? |
| 19:10:17 | George- | how far have you got? |
| 19:10:50 | Oriumpor | I can get netbsd to boot... but no drivers for the display , keypad, or cf |
| 19:10:56 | kyoorius | has anyone downloaded and installed the konqueror browser? |
| 19:11:00 | Oriumpor | so.... I can watch it on a console |
| 19:11:04 | Oriumpor | :P |
| 19:11:09 | George- | Oriumpor: haha |
| 19:11:10 | kyoorius | I just grabbed the snapshot, but im not sure wether i need to compile it or what. |
| 19:11:13 | Speedy2 | Well, I finally figured out why I kept my filter cut-off at 34kHz |
| 19:11:19 | kergoth | kyoorius: the konq/e ipk works fine |
| 19:11:58 | tux_mike | kergoth: any idea why there have been no konqe updates? |
| 19:12:15 | Oriumpor | when was the last snapshot, tux_mike ? |
| 19:12:17 | kergoth | tux_mike: no one has done a build |
| 19:12:25 | George- | Oriumpor: what keypad? |
| 19:12:27 | tux_mike | 3/11 |
| 19:12:33 | George- | Oriumpor: The Jornada doesn't have one... |
| 19:12:37 | Oriumpor | George-: the app buttons or whatever |
| 19:12:39 | kergoth | zecke: who was doing our konq/e builds? |
| 19:12:47 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Check your /msg |
| 19:12:49 | kergoth | zecke: tronical? |
| 19:13:03 | Oriumpor | there's no drivers for anything |
| 19:13:08 | Oriumpor | :P |
| 19:13:34 | Oriumpor | nobody has bothered writing em, cause there's no documentation on em unless you work for HP |
| 19:14:28 | Neo|Work | http://david.hedbor.org/tmp/Bustem_011.png :-) |
| 19:14:47 | NetAmp | heh |
| 19:15:06 | George- | I've managed to compile a kernel that *BOOTS* |
| 19:15:09 | George- | make kernel is so nice :) |
| 19:15:26 | NetAmp | George: congrats ;) |
| 19:15:31 | Speedy2 | BusTem sounds so ...vulgar |
| 19:15:32 | Speedy2 | heh |
| 19:15:32 | Oriumpor | George-: for the jornada? |
| 19:15:39 | George- | Oriumpor: no, Zaurus |
| 19:15:44 | George- | Oriumpor: I don't have a jornada |
| 19:15:59 | George- | Oriumpor: But my friend does, and he wants to shove something other than shitty Wince 2 on it |
| 19:16:13 | Oriumpor | you can get 3. whatever can't you? |
| 19:16:18 | George- | I dunno |
| 19:16:24 | George- | as I say, I don't have a Jornada |
| 19:16:34 | Oriumpor | I'm about ready to ebay mine anyways and maybe get a 640 |
| 19:16:36 | treke | Neo|Work: its um, japanese :) |
| 19:17:16 | George- | Oriumpor: how much would a Jornada 480 pick up on eBay? |
| 19:17:19 | George- | er. |
| 19:17:22 | George- | *548 |
| 19:17:44 | Oriumpor | ~140, but I've got a buttload of serial devices |
| 19:17:47 | JasonNJ | freakin red letter day this is going to be |
| 19:17:49 | Oriumpor | cpdp etc |
| 19:18:00 | Oriumpor | cdpd even |
| 19:18:05 | George- | 140 dollars? |
| 19:18:07 | George- | haha |
| 19:18:11 | George- | that's pretty low |
| 19:18:28 | Oriumpor | yeah... when I package em it'll prolly sell for like 300~ |
| 19:18:37 | Oriumpor | prolly less |
| 19:21:24 | George- | how long does the "Reconfiguring all packages installed to root." step take? |
| 19:21:26 | George- | on OZ bootup? |
| 19:21:37 | George- | because, it hasn't done much for the past 5 minutes |
| 19:21:45 | Oriumpor | sometimes quick... most of the time a friggen long time |
| 19:22:01 | George- | It's just sat there, doing nothing for the past 5 minutes |
| 19:22:04 | George- | I'm getting worried |
| 19:22:17 | NetAmp | that's the downside of memory... you don't hear a HD rattling ;) |
| 19:22:19 | kergoth | George-: patience :-) |
| 19:22:42 | George- | NetAmp: yea, there should be an LED ram access indicator |
| 19:22:44 | George- | kergoth: haha |
| 19:22:46 | Speedy2 | heh |
| 19:22:47 | NetAmp | :) |
| 19:22:48 | Speedy2 | It would be lit SOLID |
| 19:22:49 | NetAmp | patience isn't in my vocabulary either, I'm almost eating my keyboard |
| 19:22:53 | George- | kergoth: that's something I definitely *don't* have |
| 19:23:09 | kergoth | George-: me neither, i dunno what i'm doing in tech support :-) |
| 19:23:11 | Speedy2 | George: Then the drug "speed" is definitely not for you |
| 19:23:34 | Oriumpor | I hate computers... but for some reason I keep getting jobs where i have to use em |
| 19:23:48 | NetAmp | heh |
| 19:24:13 | Oriumpor | Every time I drive to a fast food place i'm like , "I envy you... I'll trade you stress levels any day" |
| 19:24:27 | kergoth | Oriumpor: no kidding. |
| 19:24:36 | kergoth | Oriumpor: pull an office space. do construction |
| 19:24:38 | kergoth | ;-) |
| 19:24:53 | Oriumpor | if only |
| 19:25:08 | Speedy2 | Heh |
| 19:25:10 | Speedy2 | I have that in DivX |
| 19:25:11 | Oriumpor | once you get used to the money... |
| 19:25:14 | Oriumpor | : / |
| 19:25:17 | kergoth | One of the nicest times in my life was when i was 14 and doing community work, digging holes and shit |
| 19:25:28 | kergoth | didnt make much, but man being outdoors and the like, with no stress, was great |
| 19:25:53 | George- | kergoth: I'm getting worried |
| 19:25:55 | NetAmp | well, take your Z with you and go outdoors ;) |
| 19:25:56 | Speedy2 | I think being a Hollywood (male) version of Heidi Fliess would be perfect |
| 19:25:59 | George- | kergoth: It's still not doing anything |
| 19:26:00 | Oriumpor | Every once in a while I call in sick and toss my tent in the trunk |
| 19:26:41 | Oriumpor | but ... crunch time is a killer |
| 19:28:13 | Neo|Work | treke: indeed. :) |
| 19:28:31 | djax | Has anyone gcc on the zaurus running? |
| 19:28:35 | Oriumpor | treke is in here?... and he's saying something? ... and I can't see it! :P |
| 19:28:49 | treke | Oriumpor: I said something earlier |
| 19:29:00 | Oriumpor | :P |
| 19:29:08 | George- | ok |
| 19:29:14 | George- | my zaurus locks hard on every boot |
| 19:29:21 | kergoth | George-: when? |
| 19:29:31 | George- | at the configuring thingy |
| 19:29:42 | George- | it locks so hard that a soft reset doesn't work |
| 19:29:46 | kergoth | George-: ive never seen that.. all it does is runs a bunch of prerm, then postinst scripts |
| 19:29:49 | kergoth | George-: odd |
| 19:29:59 | kergoth | George-: try reflashing |
| 19:30:04 | George- | heh |
| 19:30:06 | George- | again? :) |
| 19:30:07 | Speedy2 | I think he'll get arrested for that |
| 19:30:16 | kergoth | ehhe |
| 19:30:44 | treke | Neo|Work: I turned music on in SA for the first time. wtf was the author thinking when he chose it :) |
| 19:30:47 | BeFrank | hi all |
| 19:30:50 | Oriumpor | Heh... tennis guy... |
| 19:30:59 | Oriumpor | streak... heh |
| 19:31:02 | Oriumpor | SA? |
| 19:31:20 | treke | Strategic Assault |
| 19:31:53 | Oriumpor | bustem stuff? |
| 19:31:57 | NetAmp | l8r folks |
| 19:31:58 | warmi_away | treke|home: I don't know about SA but Eligo has quite decent tunes |
| 19:32:01 | treke | no. older game |
| 19:32:10 | kergoth | Speedy2: sent. check your mail shortly |
| 19:32:37 | kergoth | host dag.net[66.92.237.207] said: 552 Message size exceeds |
| 19:32:37 | kergoth | fixed limit |
| 19:33:11 | Oriumpor | heh |
| 19:33:22 | warmi_away | kergoth: cause mpg3 and porn are best viewed on the net and not as an attachment |
| 19:33:31 | warmi_away | :-) |
| 19:33:41 | Neo|Work | treke: you know, I have no idea. :) |
| 19:33:49 | Neo|Work | it's not exactly adding a lot. :) |
| 19:34:06 | George- | ok |
| 19:34:08 | George- | reflashed... |
| 19:35:03 | Speedy2 | kergoth: How big is the file? |
| 19:35:08 | Oriumpor | anyone know if ian's gonna repack his ipk to include the fixed kismet_server ? |
| 19:35:29 | kergoth | Speedy2 : 3 megs zipped. be glag i'm not sending you the uncompressed pdf :-) |
| 19:35:32 | kergoth | glad too |
| 19:35:33 | Speedy2 | lol |
| 19:35:37 | Speedy2 | check /msg |
| 19:35:55 | George- | ok |
| 19:36:02 | George- | my poor Z is definitely fucked |
| 19:36:14 | warmi_away | crap ..am I missing something but can one use table indeses when initializing C++ constructor .. say Bla::Bla( QString a, QString b): table[0]=a,table[1]=b |
| 19:36:16 | warmi_away | ? |
| 19:37:24 | Oriumpor | George-: then you got bad hardware, or bad crc on your romimage |
| 19:37:55 | George- | Oriumpor: it's not bad h/w |
| 19:38:00 | George- | Oriumpor: It's prolly a corrupted CF |
| 19:38:07 | Oriumpor | could be |
| 19:39:13 | Oriumpor | I really wish I could afford those bose headphones :/ |
| 19:39:27 | Oriumpor | server room is friggen noisy |
| 19:39:29 | George- | bose? |
| 19:39:39 | Oriumpor | noise cancelling |
| 19:40:24 | benmeyer | the file limit size on 2.0 was 2GB right? |
| 19:40:33 | benmeyer | and in 2.2 is was greater? |
| 19:40:44 | kergoth | you mean file size limit? |
| 19:40:45 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:40:45 | benmeyer | or is that totally wrong? |
| 19:40:48 | benmeyer | yah |
| 19:40:55 | kergoth | i dont remember, myself |
| 19:41:04 | Oriumpor | 2gb?? |
| 19:42:27 | Oriumpor | the matrix soundtrack only gets better with age : P |
| 19:43:28 | zecke | benmeyer: 2.0 2gb |
| 19:43:40 | kergoth | Oriumpor: hehe |
| 19:43:50 | kergoth | Oriumpor: i should find my cd, its missing |
| 19:43:54 | zecke | benmeyer: later 2.2 got DLARGE_FILE iirc with a special glibc |
| 19:48:23 | BigBoss | l |
| 19:49:25 | uncon | al |
| 19:50:02 | Oriumpor | man the eiffel cd is really geeky ... :P |
| 19:50:03 | Neo|Work | the Matrix rocks as a movie as well. :P |
| 19:50:55 | JasonNJ | "Trinity... I need guns.." |
| 19:50:58 | Oriumpor | when's the next one out? |
| 19:51:12 | BigBoss | another year |
| 19:51:16 | Oriumpor | sheesh |
| 19:52:01 | Oriumpor | no more email damnit! :P |
| 19:52:14 | Speedy2 | kergoth, check you /msg |
| 19:53:54 | Twiun | Anyone else filling out the Java/Zaurus survey? |
| 19:54:04 | Cloudchaser | where is it? |
| 19:54:10 | Oriumpor | url? |
| 19:54:16 | ljp_work | java? |
| 19:54:19 | bipolar_away | is away: I'm not here... Really.... |
| 19:54:21 | Twiun | http://www.zaurus.com/dev/survey/ |
| 19:54:32 | JasonNJ | dangit only 4pm |
| 19:54:37 | JasonNJ | I want to go home and hide |
| 19:54:38 | warmi_away | Twiun: I looked at it but I would have to leave 90% of this stuff empty .. or perhaps lie |
| 19:54:39 | warmi_away | hehe |
| 19:54:44 | kergoth | Twiun: i filled it out, though the java questions i hand info on since i dont know java |
| 19:54:48 | kergoth | er |
| 19:54:53 | kergoth | s/hand/hadnt/ |
| 19:54:59 | kergoth | JasonNJ: probs? |
| 19:55:08 | Twiun | it's a developer survey... the ones with grading it gets mostly 4s ;-) |
| 19:55:17 | ljp_work | whats 'native'? |
| 19:55:24 | warmi_away | qt |
| 19:55:29 | Twiun | when you interface to C/C++ to do dirty work |
| 19:55:41 | ljp_work | why did they call Qt native? |
| 19:55:53 | warmi_away | I think , in this context, they mean qt /c++ as native apps |
| 19:55:54 | Twiun | Qt just happens to be native |
| 19:56:09 | Twiun | native as in... outside the java virtual machine |
| 19:56:18 | warmi_away | cause it gets translated to ARM asm which is "native" for this platform |
| 19:56:31 | warmi_away | Java is frankly,"alien" |
| 19:56:36 | warmi_away | heh |
| 19:56:42 | Twiun | Yup, suits me fine ;-) |
| 19:57:01 | Twiun | Anyway, I'm rating java on the Z as really poor |
| 19:57:14 | warmi_away | Twiun: as compared to what ? |
| 19:57:24 | Twiun | seriously... as it is, you can't possibly make nice looking apps without tremendous extra work |
| 19:57:25 | warmi_away | full blown desktop/server jdk ? |
| 19:57:53 | Cloudchaser | i answered it to be in the drawing.. it said that you didn't need to be a developer to answer the survey but it was all developer questions :) |
| 19:57:55 | warmi_away | do we know any other examples of PDA based jdk that is not .. well, "limited" |
| 19:58:02 | Twiun | not even that... things like the CRC32 is buggy - it seems like they didn't even run the unit tests against Jeode |
| 19:58:09 | warmi_away | Cloudchaser: hehehe |
| 19:58:12 | Twiun | warmi_away: Saveje - jdk1.3.1 |
| 19:58:15 | Twiun | on ipaq |
| 19:58:23 | warmi_away | Twiun: what does this run on ? |
| 19:58:31 | kergoth | crc32 is buggy? how do you mess up crc32 |
| 19:58:32 | warmi_away | any popular devices running this ? |
| 19:58:43 | warmi_away | kergoth: heheh ... |
| 19:58:53 | Twiun | warmi_away: scroll up ;-) it runs un the Ipaq |
| 19:58:59 | warmi_away | ah ok |
| 19:59:08 | warmi_away | but it is add on right ? |
| 19:59:43 | Twiun | obviously ;-) |
| 19:59:58 | warmi_away | well, then Z is still better |
| 20:00:08 | warmi_away | Java is built-in |
| 20:00:17 | Twiun | Still pitiful |
| 20:00:30 | warmi_away | but yeah .. if it is f*** up then that not much of a advantage |
| 20:00:44 | Twiun | we don't even have access to the full set of qt widgets |
| 20:01:03 | Twiun | I mean, come on - and what about some dev tools for Jeode? |
| 20:01:07 | Twiun | support? |
| 20:01:09 | Oriumpor | Twiun: surprise surprise it worked in lynx : P |
| 20:01:14 | warmi_away | well, you don't have access to anything when using AWT on Windows |
| 20:01:23 | warmi_away | just standard AWT stuff |
| 20:01:40 | Twiun | Yeah, but this is a custom VM, not the reference implementation from sun |
| 20:02:06 | Twiun | and if you use the wankered M$ jvm, you have access to loads of goodies - simply because it *is* custom |
| 20:02:21 | warmi_away | Twiun: I guess it is just like Qtopia .. kinda works but needs a lot more to make it truly usable |
| 20:02:25 | Oriumpor | something smells good brb |
| 20:02:32 | Twiun | I absolutely agree there |
| 20:02:39 | Twiun | to warmi_away's point... |
| 20:02:43 | warmi_away | this is Qtopia only ... qte is frigging great |
| 20:02:49 | Twiun | although now that you mention it... there is a strange smell in here |
| 20:02:53 | warmi_away | not much wrong with qte - almost perfect |
| 20:03:13 | Twiun | Why would you say that? good api? good support? good tools? |
| 20:03:30 | Twiun | as opposed to the Sharp/Insignia silence? |
| 20:03:30 | warmi_away | great API, great documentation ... decent tools |
| 20:04:23 | Twiun | Sorry, I'm getting worked up... I just feel that Java is capable of so much more on the Zaurus - if only a bit of brains was used by the suppliers |
| 20:04:25 | warmi_away | Twiun: the sad thing is .. it doesn't seem like a lot of peopel are even interested in developing Java apps for the zaurus |
| 20:04:51 | warmi_away | ZAurus Java forums/mailing lists are empty |
| 20:04:51 | Cloudchaser | better chance to win the contest with less entrants |
| 20:04:52 | Twiun | Yeah, I know... the competition hasn't been announced publicly yet, has it. |
| 20:05:14 | warmi_away | don't think so |
| 20:05:21 | Twiun | Cloudchaser: doubtful... I've sent a few questions off, there's a lot of ambiguity about entrants |
| 20:05:40 | Cloudchaser | what do you mean? |
| 20:05:45 | Twiun | warmi_away: for info: http://www.savaje.com/products/index.html |
| 20:05:50 | Oriumpor | I just need to get my books outa the basement and start making stuff again |
| 20:05:56 | Twiun | Cloudchaser: like... can existing apps enter? |
| 20:06:03 | Cloudchaser | ohh |
| 20:06:07 | Twiun | Cloudchaser: or do they have to be made from scratch? |
| 20:06:19 | Cloudchaser | i see.. no good answers yet? |
| 20:06:50 | Twiun | Not yet... although I think the competition was supposed to go public 10 days ago... so the delay could mean they're taking the questions seriously |
| 20:07:26 | ACEDOG | does anyone know why my z wont go into suspend mode unless I manually put it in suspend mode? It dims the light ok. |
| 20:07:34 | Cloudchaser | wish i knew programming g;( |
| 20:07:47 | Twiun | Cloudchaser: doesn't take long to get started ;-) |
| 20:07:50 | djax | Has anyone konqui on his z? |
| 20:08:21 | Cloudchaser | Twiun: it doesn't really? |
| 20:08:33 | Cloudchaser | i thought it took years |
| 20:08:47 | Twiun | only to get really good, basic stuff is easy |
| 20:09:08 | Twiun | esp if you don't have to do a comp sci degree ;-) |
| 20:09:26 | darienm | djax: konqueror ? |
| 20:09:27 | Cloudchaser | i have no idea how/where to even begin |
| 20:09:32 | djax | darienm: Yes |
| 20:09:33 | darienm | djax: the web browser? |
| 20:09:38 | darienm | djax: yes, it runs fine. |
| 20:09:45 | djax | Files also? |
| 20:09:52 | darienm | local files? yes. |
| 20:10:02 | Twiun | Cloudchaser: this is probably the best place to be then ;-) high concentration of cool guys with plenty of time to help you get started |
| 20:10:05 | warmi_away | hmm ... no more Linu@ for IPaq on myzaurus.com .. |
| 20:10:07 | warmi_away | intereting |
| 20:10:11 | warmi_away | interesting even |
| 20:10:15 | djax | darienm: My prob ist. I've installed it but theres is no launcher |
| 20:10:25 | djax | and through the console there is an error |
| 20:10:31 | djax | Bus error |
| 20:10:34 | darienm | djax: which ipk did you install? |
| 20:10:38 | djax | mom |
| 20:10:46 | tux_mike | ugh |
| 20:10:49 | djax | konqueror_snapshot_20020127_arm.ipk |
| 20:10:50 | tux_mike | i hate cats |
| 20:11:01 | djax | On Sourceforge |
| 20:11:10 | tux_mike | djax: upgrade, 20020311 is the latest |
| 20:11:21 | djax | Where? |
| 20:11:28 | djax | Sourceforge isnt |
| 20:11:36 | darienm | djax: I use this one konqueror_snapshot_20020311_arm.ipk |
| 20:11:39 | tux_mike | dont use the zaurus project on sf |
| 20:11:43 | tux_mike | very old |
| 20:11:45 | djax | ops |
| 20:11:46 | | feed is, like, a package repository or http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds or http://www.zauruszone.com/feed/ or http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/ for OpenZaurus |
| 20:11:46 | tux_mike | ibot feed |
| 20:11:51 | djax | I've used all ;) |
| 20:12:00 | | hmmm... zsi is http://killefiz.de/zaurus/ |
| 20:12:00 | tux_mike | ibot zsi |
| 20:12:06 | djax | thx |
| 20:13:01 | darienm | !whois darien |
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| 20:17:28 | tux_mike | zecke: ping |
| 20:18:48 | Oriumpor | wtf was that? |
| 20:19:08 | Twiun | addbot |
| 20:19:09 | tux_mike | adbot |
| 20:19:14 | Twiun | adbot even ;-) |
| 20:19:15 | Oriumpor | a run by adding |
| 20:19:47 | Oriumpor | someone ban that ip forever |
| 20:19:48 | Oriumpor | :P |
| 20:22:13 | tux_mike | hrm... i was thinking, how possible might it be to come up with a way to make a way to have opie apps be a single file |
| 20:22:18 | Oriumpor | does konq/e support php3? |
| 20:22:27 | tux_mike | Oriumpor: php3 is server side |
| 20:22:43 | sjohnson | Oriumpor: PHP is a server side languade |
| 20:22:44 | Oriumpor | yeah, but is it gonna freak if I hit a .php |
| 20:22:51 | tux_mike | no |
| 20:23:07 | tux_mike | a server should report its mime type as text/html |
| 20:23:08 | Oriumpor | hmm... |
| 20:24:18 | Oriumpor | just thinking of a way to poll alt.binaries.ebooks |
| 20:24:21 | Oriumpor | heh |
| 20:25:36 | Twiun | hmmm.... poll, or just bulk-download everything? |
| 20:25:56 | Oriumpor | poll, I don't want everything : P |
| 20:26:11 | zecke | tux_mike: just like the ole qpe1.0? |
| 20:26:39 | tux_mike | zecke: i don't know how qpe1.0 worked. i'm thinking kinda like palm prcs |
| 20:27:06 | zecke | tux_mike: oh now I understand |
| 20:27:44 | treke|home | tux_mike: Benmeyer is working on that |
| 20:27:46 | tux_mike | this would easily allow beaming of apps and would also be more sd/cf friendly |
| 20:27:53 | tux_mike | treke: cool :) |
| 20:28:02 | tux_mike | how's he going about it? |
| 20:28:04 | treke|home | tux_mike: He was thinking of something like the macosx packages |
| 20:28:19 | Oriumpor | I can't get my IR port to work for beans :/ |
| 20:28:43 | tux_mike | well, i didn't know an ir port as compatable with beans |
| 20:29:06 | Oriumpor | I think I'll have 90% compatibility by friday |
| 20:29:17 | tux_mike | Oriumpor: what rom are you using? |
| 20:29:32 | Oriumpor | tux_mike: oz |
| 20:29:37 | Oriumpor | 3 |
| 20:30:17 | tux_mike | Oriumpor: you need to get libglib and openobex from the familiar feeds, then get libopieobex |
| 20:30:21 | tux_mike | and irapplet |
| 20:30:44 | Oriumpor | doh |
| 20:30:52 | Oriumpor | more stuff to put on setup.sh |
| 20:30:55 | Oriumpor | :P |
| 20:30:59 | Oriumpor | k |
| 20:31:07 | tux_mike | once you do that it works fine |
| 20:31:09 | tux_mike | i've used it |
| 20:32:06 | Oriumpor | I just would like to store all my ir remotes on a CF, cause I may lose them... but my Z ... yeah |
| 20:32:33 | tux_mike | for opie-remote? |
| 20:32:54 | Oriumpor | I haven't tried it yet, but in theory : P |
| 20:33:19 | djax | darienm: With the newer konqueror release it doesnt work, too. |
| 20:33:22 | tux_mike | well, i cannot find a set of kernel modules for lirc for OZ |
| 20:33:25 | djax | No AppIcon |
| 20:33:38 | Oriumpor | you're kidding |
| 20:33:55 | tux_mike | djax: i don't have any problems with it |
| 20:34:05 | darienm | djax: what doesnt work? |
| 20:34:08 | djax | tux_mike: Do you have an icon? |
| 20:34:12 | tux_mike | yes |
| 20:34:15 | djax | or do you start out of a shell? |
| 20:34:17 | djax | hmm |
| 20:34:24 | djax | darienm: I have no icon |
| 20:34:50 | darienm | djax: when I installed, it put an icon into Applications. I've since moved it to my own 'Network' tab - but when I tap it -- Konq starts up. |
| 20:35:14 | darienm | djax: I could walk you thru making an icon |
| 20:35:15 | George- | http://ask.slashdot.org/askslashdot/02/07/11/comments.pl |
| 20:35:16 | Oriumpor | q: anyone have any success w/laserchess in OZ? |
| 20:35:18 | George- | whassat? |
| 20:35:32 | djax | darienm: Should i try if it work? out of shell? |
| 20:35:52 | darienm | djax: lemme see if mine runs from shell |
| 20:35:57 | djax | k |
| 20:36:57 | darienm | djax: I type 'konqueror' on the command line and it starts right up-- fast too |
| 20:37:07 | djax | mom i'll try |
| 20:37:40 | djax | Bus Error |
| 20:37:48 | djax | Memory Prob? |
| 20:37:53 | djax | Memory is low |
| 20:38:01 | darienm | djax: Which ROM are you using? Sharp? open zaurus? You on a 5000 or 5500? What other programs are running? |
| 20:38:05 | djax | # df -h |
| 20:38:05 | djax | Filesystem Size Used Available Use% Mounted on |
| 20:38:05 | djax | /dev/ram1 44.0k 25.0k 19.0k 57% /dev |
| 20:38:06 | djax | /dev/mtdblock1 31.9M 26.3M 3.9M 87% /home |
| 20:38:11 | djax | 5500 |
| 20:38:19 | djax | Sharp |
| 20:38:25 | George- | kergoth`mtg: blah |
| 20:38:25 | Oriumpor | I think I had that problem getting konq onto sharp at one point |
| 20:38:37 | djax | hmm |
| 20:39:00 | Oriumpor | If I remember correctly my solution was to reflash with OZ :P |
| 20:39:07 | djax | :) |
| 20:39:11 | darienm | djax: don't listen to him |
| 20:39:15 | djax | darienm: ;) |
| 20:39:19 | djax | No, No |
| 20:39:42 | Oriumpor | Why would you ever want to rflash the sharp image... I mean, you get parashoot |
| 20:39:44 | darienm | djax: do you remember installing zlib ? |
| 20:39:48 | Oriumpor | :P |
| 20:40:12 | djax | darienm: No |
| 20:40:30 | djax | ShouldI? |
| 20:40:48 | darienm | djax: I needed it for vnc or something... I dunno if other programs would benefit from it. |
| 20:40:50 | JasonNJ | oh fucking great. |
| 20:41:00 | darienm | Hello to you, too. |
| 20:41:10 | warmi_away | hehe |
| 20:41:24 | JasonNJ | anyone have a look at news.cnet.com yet? |
| 20:41:26 | djax | Should i install zlibs? |
| 20:41:32 | Oriumpor | will shortly |
| 20:41:52 | darienm | harumpf |
| 20:41:58 | warmi_away | huh |
| 20:42:05 | warmi_away | first WSJ nor this crap |
| 20:42:13 | Speedy2 | re |
| 20:42:32 | sjohnson | JasonNJ: Two of the guys from the advisory where here on IRC last night. |
| 20:42:32 | JasonNJ | hey. OpenZaurus got a plug. |
| 20:42:51 | kyoorius | hey, i just installed qt-rotation and the launch icon doesnt appear anywhere in the GUI. Do I have to run that from the shell or something? |
| 20:43:16 | ljp_work | look in Settings? |
| 20:43:22 | warmi_away | kyoorius: check your Settings |
| 20:43:31 | kyoorius | not in there. |
| 20:43:42 | treke|home | kyoorius: qt-rotation is just fonts |
| 20:44:01 | kyoorius | oh, it doesnt rotate the whole screen? |
| 20:44:15 | treke|home | nope. You need opie-rotation for that |
| 20:44:19 | Oriumpor | what the hell are these people talking about?? |
| 20:44:39 | iang | Oriumpor: is kismet happy now? |
| 20:44:49 | Oriumpor | kismet is very happy |
| 20:44:54 | kyoorius | ah yes. no wonder fonts were screwed up before when i had only opie-rotation installed. |
| 20:44:55 | iang | :-) |
| 20:45:11 | iang | just received his Garmin eTrex Vista GPS... |
| 20:45:20 | MSpin | heya iang |
| 20:45:22 | Oriumpor | they didn't mention one specific hole, nor did they even say anything about what specifically it would do |
| 20:45:24 | djax | darienm: ipkg error by installing konqueror |
| 20:45:33 | MSpin | I think I hear WarWalking |
| 20:45:37 | darienm | djax: I dont know what to tell you. Complete uninstall, reinstall. |
| 20:45:41 | Oriumpor | iang: how much? |
| 20:45:42 | Twiun | sjohnson: What did they say? |
| 20:45:52 | iang | Oriumpor: ~CA$500 |
| 20:45:54 | djax | darienm: Have I done toda 3 times |
| 20:45:54 | darienm | djax: installing with add/remove software or from shell? |
| 20:45:55 | kyoorius | w/ the konquere install, i had to check off one of the install box options.. i think it was -force |
| 20:45:57 | Oriumpor | hrm |
| 20:46:03 | djax | darienm: add |
| 20:46:07 | Oriumpor | it avail (or an quiv) in the US? |
| 20:46:08 | djax | software |
| 20:46:10 | kyoorius | (whatever the first box was) |
| 20:46:37 | sjohnson | Twiun: There discovert the channel and mention the adivsory they wrote. |
| 20:46:50 | darienm | djax: check /home/root/usr/lib/ipkg/status and remove any trace of konq in that file. |
| 20:46:57 | djax | k |
| 20:46:58 | darienm | djax: then install from the command line |
| 20:46:59 | Neo|Work | According to a source familiar with Sharp's plans, the company's next-generation Zaurus device, due this fall, will address the vulnerabilities. The gadget will come with Intel's 400MHz XScale PXA250 processor and a larger battery than the one found in Sharp's currently available Zaurus SL-5500. |
| 20:47:00 | iang | I still need to receive my Zaurus serial cable before I can do Z-only warwalking with GPS, though |
| 20:47:11 | Neo|Work | heh, is that public information or was there a leak? :) |
| 20:47:22 | Speedy2 | Neo: Where are you reading this from? |
| 20:47:31 | Oriumpor | news.cnet.com |
| 20:47:31 | Neo|Work | http://news.com.com/2100-1040-943163.html?tag=fd_top |
| 20:47:42 | djax | In status is nothing from conqueror |
| 20:47:46 | Oriumpor | it's a load of horse shit is what it is |
| 20:47:52 | treke|home | Neo|Work: That s about what JasonNJ has said in here. Dont know about it being official |
| 20:48:19 | sirius|afk | sup |
| 20:48:28 | Oriumpor | it's a linux device, if they were going to post a vulnerability it was never on bugtraq |
| 20:48:43 | kyoorius | well, the fact that ftp on 4242 is on with no root passwd by default, that is a massive security vulnerability. |
| 20:48:43 | JasonNJ | we've stated the 400mhz Xscale at a few developer conferences |
| 20:48:51 | GiminyZzz | yah |
| 20:48:57 | siriusnova | mmmm 400mhz pd |
| 20:48:59 | siriusnova | PDA |
| 20:49:00 | JasonNJ | larger battery has not been officialy confirmed, but yeah, it has one |
| 20:49:01 | GiminyZzz | the interview dude called me today and had this nasty angle |
| 20:49:13 | siriusnova | wtf am I going to do with a 400mhz xscale pda |
| 20:49:13 | Twiun | Sugar: heard Sniper |
| 20:49:14 | Sugar | Twiun: I last heard Sniper on IRC 31h 22m 26s ago in channel #zaurus saying: hmm never tried |
| 20:49:17 | Twiun | Sugar: heard Sniper1 |
| 20:49:17 | Sugar | Twiun: I last heard Sniper1 on IRC 45h 57m 15s ago in channel #zaurus saying: ok later people |
| 20:49:17 | Neo|Work | Oriumpor: well, is it? Is the ftp port really unaccessible from non-USB connections? |
| 20:49:19 | siriusnova | that thing has more horsepower then my server |
| 20:49:23 | siriusnova | =P |
| 20:49:28 | GiminyZzz | with the default rom it is |
| 20:49:40 | Oriumpor | Neo|Work: not the fact that there isn't one... the way they released it... |
| 20:49:45 | kyoorius | once you plug a wireless ethernet card into the zaurus, it becomes a open gateway into your LAN. |
| 20:49:53 | djax | -rw-rw-rw- 1 root root 0 Jul 11 20:49 +=+ <-- Whats this? |
| 20:49:55 | GiminyZzz | right |
| 20:49:55 | zecke | JasonNJ: TT Lineo and Sharp are not working together on Qtopia3 is that right? |
| 20:49:56 | Oriumpor | if they had done that to sun |
| 20:49:57 | MSpin | JasonNJ: what doesthe large battery equate to in terms of battery life? |
| 20:49:57 | Neo|Work | Oriumpor: Bugtraq is a bad way all of a sudden? |
| 20:50:05 | Oriumpor | they didn't bugtraq it |
| 20:50:07 | treke|home | Neo|Work: I dont think so, it is restricted on what ip address you are connecting from |
| 20:50:20 | darienm | djax: I dunno but I have it too. never bothered me. |
| 20:50:22 | Neo|Work | I saw it on the Zaurus list where it came from bugtraq afaik |
| 20:50:24 | treke|home | At least thats how qtopia used to work |
| 20:50:24 | JasonNJ | MSpin: we're still testing it, hopefully double |
| 20:50:33 | djax | darienm: Ahso |
| 20:50:34 | MSpin | JasonNJ: excellent |
| 20:50:47 | siriusnova | when are they going to come out with a better battery for the Z? |
| 20:50:52 | siriusnova | this one is craptacularly bad |
| 20:50:53 | Oriumpor | I do have 9 mail in my bugtraq list I haven't read yet : / |
| 20:50:57 | kyoorius | its funny how this advisory just came out now, when the problem's been known since... forever. |
| 20:50:58 | JasonNJ | zecke: TT alone is working on Qt3 |
| 20:51:21 | Neo|Work | That truely scares me I'm afraid |
| 20:51:25 | GiminyZzz | yah. we emailed sharp about it |
| 20:51:32 | GiminyZzz | they said they were working on the ftp thing |
| 20:51:36 | GiminyZzz | we gave them some time |
| 20:51:39 | JasonNJ | GiminyZzz: who at sharp do you email on it |
| 20:51:44 | Neo|Work | http://online.securityfocus.com/archive/1/281437 |
| 20:51:56 | GiminyZzz | just the sharp support. They emailed back right away saying "We're looking into it" |
| 20:52:03 | GiminyZzz | then never heard a thing |
| 20:52:15 | djax | tar: Cannot create directory `./opt/QtPalmtop/share/config/': No space left on device |
| 20:52:16 | Oriumpor | 10 emails now |
| 20:52:17 | JasonNJ | developer support or regular support? |
| 20:52:18 | djax | Aha |
| 20:52:18 | Giminy | so I emailed again and they never mailed back. They never gave a technical contact |
| 20:52:19 | djax | Shit |
| 20:52:23 | Oriumpor | *sigh* I should probably read it |
| 20:52:23 | Giminy | developer support |
| 20:52:27 | djax | I need space |
| 20:52:31 | djax | :( |
| 20:52:36 | JasonNJ | I dont recall ever receiveing that email. |
| 20:52:50 | kyoorius | regarding the FTP thing, kergoth msg'd me this morning: opie-security.ipk allows you to shut off ftp access to the outside. |
| 20:53:03 | BigBoss | you see Alan Cox's rant against the xScale chip? |
| 20:53:07 | Giminy | yah |
| 20:53:08 | sig | sup folks |
| 20:53:13 | Giminy | it would be cool if sharp would say something about it though |
| 20:53:16 | siriusnova | x-scale sucks |
| 20:53:17 | JasonNJ | what does cox say about it |
| 20:53:18 | siriusnova | cuz I say so |
| 20:53:21 | ljp_work | kyoorius: thats for opie and openzaurus only |
| 20:53:34 | siriusnova | they need to put a 2.4ghz athlon chip in the Z |
| 20:53:35 | siriusnova | :) |
| 20:53:45 | Oriumpor | and sell it with ovenmitts |
| 20:53:48 | siriusnova | hehe |
| 20:53:52 | sig | hah |
| 20:53:53 | treke|home | yeah, who needs more than 5 minuts of battery life :) |
| 20:53:56 | siriusnova | they COULD use a fusion reactor to power the thing |
| 20:53:58 | JasonNJ | just melt the casing off why dont we |
| 20:54:07 | siriusnova | well if you make the casing out of ceramic steel |
| 20:54:11 | siriusnova | it will insulate well |
| 20:54:20 | Oriumpor | it would insulate all over your hands |
| 20:54:21 | sig | could be a hand warmer |
| 20:54:25 | siriusnova | just add a small vent at the bottom |
| 20:54:52 | sig | have a warning on the box that says, "only operate in a -21 degree environment" |
| 20:54:56 | siriusnova | lol |
| 20:55:00 | djax | Is it possible to install from another pc without downloading the ipk-file to the z? |
| 20:55:02 | siriusnova | well the vent could be useful |
| 20:55:07 | djax | So i have more space |
| 20:55:08 | siriusnova | it would work well as a torch |
| 20:56:37 | BigBoss | Cox's comments were based on Intels own errata |
| 20:56:38 | BigBoss | http://developer.intel.com/design/pca/applicationsprocessors/specupdt/27853402.pdf |
| 20:56:41 | Oriumpor | siriusnova: It would need one of those mini fission "generators" that they're gonna start selling in africa |
| 20:56:54 | Neo|Work | is away: mtg |
| 20:57:01 | kyoorius | is opera available as an ipk anywhere? |
| 20:57:06 | Oriumpor | mtg=$$$ |
| 20:57:29 | Oriumpor | sharp.romimage.ipk maybe |
| 20:57:31 | Oriumpor | heh |
| 20:57:35 | treke|home | kyoorius: nope |
| 20:57:41 | warmi_away | BigBoss: do you have URL to Cox's commnets ? |
| 20:57:54 | kyoorius | konqueror uses up all my valuable memory space. |
| 20:57:56 | treke|home | there might be a script somewhere that will make an ipk from your rom image |
| 20:58:18 | BigBoss | warmi: I just have that link which he commented on |
| 20:58:22 | BigBoss | it was in an email I got |
| 20:58:31 | sig | is http://myzaurus.com down? |
| 20:58:37 | BigBoss | Take a look at Errata 100 for one example of why |
| 20:58:46 | BigBoss | myzaurus has been having problems all day |
| 20:58:57 | Speedy2 | No doubt due to the Erata as well |
| 20:58:58 | Speedy2 | Damn Intel |
| 20:58:58 | Speedy2 | heh |
| 20:59:06 | siriusnova | no |
| 20:59:07 | warmi_away | ah okk |
| 20:59:11 | siriusnova | myzaurus is up right now |
| 20:59:18 | sig | damn, i need that rom and sync .iso |
| 20:59:24 | sig | and the damn site is down |
| 20:59:27 | siriusnova | its up |
| 20:59:34 | sig | hmm |
| 20:59:36 | sig | now it is |
| 20:59:37 | sig | weird |
| 21:01:33 | Speedy2 | BTW |
| 21:01:39 | Speedy2 | The power specs on the XScale will suck |
| 21:01:48 | Speedy2 | It will essentially be running at 1.2V+ |
| 21:01:58 | Twiun | JasonNJ: mail incoming ;-) |
| 21:02:04 | Oriumpor | a bigger battery will be needed to get equal life right? |
| 21:02:20 | Speedy2 | The 400MHz CPUs will need to run @ 1.5V |
| 21:02:26 | sig | can't download crap from myzaurus.com <--- times out |
| 21:02:28 | sig | shitty |
| 21:02:42 | Oriumpor | jeeze |
| 21:02:51 | Oriumpor | my laptop runs lower than that |
| 21:03:01 | djax | hmm |
| 21:03:12 | djax | mysterious |
| 21:03:53 | warmi_away | Speedy2: you don't really like Intel all that much do you ? |
| 21:03:55 | warmi_away | hehe |
| 21:04:29 | kyoorius | is going to create sugar lollipop attachments for the other end of his stylus. |
| 21:04:39 | Oriumpor | might as well run a pc104 at that kind of voltage |
| 21:04:51 | Twiun | kyoorius: Ugh... sticky Zaurus |
| 21:04:58 | warmi_away | Twiun: hehehe |
| 21:07:26 | Speedy2 | warmi: No. They're a shit company |
| 21:07:37 | Oriumpor | wintel... what? |
| 21:07:43 | warmi_away | heh |
| 21:07:53 | warmi_away | yeah ... good thing we have AMD around |
| 21:07:55 | Speedy2 | warmi: P4 actually had NEGATIVE performance. |
| 21:08:08 | warmi_away | otherwise CPUs would be 2x as expensive as they are now |
| 21:08:16 | Speedy2 | warmi: If you look at useful instructions executed / cycle, from PIII then went DOWN |
| 21:08:19 | MSpin | Speedy2: when used with what compiler? |
| 21:08:31 | Speedy2 | Cause the current P4 is an aborted attempt at another processor |
| 21:08:35 | Speedy2 | MSpin: Any compiler |
| 21:08:45 | Speedy2 | The only way they got "performance" up was to jack the shit out of the clock |
| 21:08:45 | warmi_away | I used to run Cytrix CPUs back in 1995 or so .. but then they went south |
| 21:08:55 | Speedy2 | Which is why they used a 20+ stage pipeline |
| 21:09:02 | Speedy2 | Just to get really really high clocks |
| 21:09:18 | warmi_away | Speedy2: on the other hand Intel could not just design everything from scratch like DEc or others did |
| 21:09:21 | Oriumpor | I bought up as many 2x PIII motherboards as I could as soon as they dropped below 50$ |
| 21:09:23 | MSpin | I'm sorry guys, I just get *really* tired of Intel bashing. If you don't like it, don't buy their products. |
| 21:09:26 | warmi_away | they had this x86 baggage |
| 21:09:28 | Speedy2 | warmi: The P4 is nearly full-custom. |
| 21:09:38 | sig | http://www.myzaurus.com/licSetupz.asp |
| 21:09:42 | sig | doesn't work for me |
| 21:09:43 | Speedy2 | Just like every x86 processor out there |
| 21:09:45 | Oriumpor | MSpin: not w hole lot of choice w/arm anymore |
| 21:09:46 | Speedy2 | Since x86 is shit too |
| 21:10:06 | Speedy2 | Nearly all x86 designs are full custom |
| 21:10:17 | Oriumpor | oh... lets buy an alpha... oh wait intel owns them too : P |
| 21:10:18 | warmi_away | what do you mean by "full custom" ? |
| 21:10:18 | Speedy2 | A human hand touched many of the 20+ million transistors... |
| 21:10:20 | MSpin | Oriumpor: but we were talking about the P4 a sec ago |
| 21:10:28 | warmi_away | remember you are taking to software dudes here |
| 21:10:31 | warmi_away | hehe |
| 21:10:37 | Speedy2 | warmi: Full custom == hand optimized and layed out |
| 21:10:44 | Speedy2 | layed out == done by hand |
| 21:10:58 | Speedy2 | (in this case) |
| 21:11:06 | Oriumpor | Neo|Work: my bad |
| 21:11:14 | Oriumpor | Neo|Work: it's in there |
| 21:11:18 | Speedy2 | If I had an easy way, I'd put up a screen shot of some silicon layouts...you can imagine how horrible it gets |
| 21:11:32 | Speedy2 | I had trouble with a 4000+ transistor design |
| 21:11:34 | MSpin | it's NASTY:) |
| 21:11:35 | Speedy2 | (full custom) |
| 21:11:38 | Speedy2 | Imagine 20+ million |
| 21:11:43 | warmi_away | I can imagine |
| 21:11:51 | Speedy2 | Of course, the cache and stuff they use automated tools to do a lot of |
| 21:11:54 | warmi_away | it is just as horrible as 20 million lines of code |
| 21:11:55 | warmi_away | hehe |
| 21:11:57 | Speedy2 | But... |
| 21:12:00 | Speedy2 | Worse |
| 21:12:05 | Oriumpor | Speedy2: traders world has an idiot savant who maps em out on giant posterboard... |
| 21:12:07 | Oriumpor | awesome book |
| 21:12:12 | Speedy2 | Because with code, where the code lies in the window doesn't make a difference |
| 21:12:32 | Speedy2 | With layout, how you PHYSICALLY position the "lines" makes a HUGE difference |
| 21:12:40 | Speedy2 | You can't even equate it to writing assembly. |
| 21:12:44 | warmi_away | it is not really worse since, as you said, they have automated tools, while in software developement you can hardly automate anything ( code wise) |
| 21:12:52 | George- | ok, it may just be me |
| 21:13:00 | Speedy2 | Because the analog of writing assembly is touching each transistor by hand |
| 21:13:05 | George- | but has that Linu@ thing actually been kicked outa handango? |
| 21:13:09 | warmi_away | yeah, thats' true |
| 21:13:14 | Twiun | Speedy2: I understand some of that... I remember some of my IC design module at uni ;-) |
| 21:13:15 | Speedy2 | warmi: Well, I said automated tools to do CACHES. That's about it :) |
| 21:13:20 | Speedy2 | heh |
| 21:13:33 | warmi_away | how about Alpha and Sparc CPU s? |
| 21:13:37 | Speedy2 | heh |
| 21:13:42 | Speedy2 | Alpha is VERY VERY full-custom |
| 21:13:45 | Speedy2 | In fact |
| 21:13:53 | Oriumpor | Alpha was dead I thought |
| 21:13:54 | Twiun | laying doping layers and metal cross-connects .... *shivers* |
| 21:14:08 | Speedy2 | With Alpha and StrongARM DEC created new "categories" of transistor level design |
| 21:14:21 | Speedy2 | Oriumpor: One more generation and it will be |
| 21:14:33 | Oriumpor | Speedy2: who's selling the last gen? |
| 21:14:46 | warmi_away | man ... I knew hardware was boring ..heh I knew what I was doing going for CS instead of engineering |
| 21:14:48 | warmi_away | :-) |
| 21:14:54 | Speedy2 | Like, we think of "for-loop" as a kind of loop and "while loop" as a kind of loop...well they did that for transistor level designs (new types of "loops") |
| 21:15:01 | Speedy2 | Oriumpor: HP |
| 21:15:24 | Speedy2 | warmi_away: Only the few, the proud, the unlucky have to do hand-optimized transistor level designs |
| 21:15:28 | warmi_away | George-: yeah.. looks like Linu@ is gone |
| 21:15:45 | George- | warmi_away: haha |
| 21:15:51 | George- | warmi_away: do you think Handango realised? |
| 21:16:24 | warmi_away | I don't think it was handango .. more likely someone from Sharp or perhaps Linu@ dudes themselves |
| 21:16:36 | Oriumpor | P3 dual mobos >40$ !!! |
| 21:16:45 | George- | handango dudes themselves? |
| 21:16:46 | George- | hahahahahahaha |
| 21:16:54 | Oriumpor | lol |
| 21:16:55 | warmi_away | Speedy2: well, good for them .. I like virtual world better ... :-) |
| 21:17:39 | BigBoss | I interrupt this spirited debate to direct your attention to our latest release for the Zaurus |
| 21:17:39 | BigBoss | http://www.thekompany.com/embedded/tkcrekall/ |
| 21:17:51 | George- | yeh it's only $55 |
| 21:17:55 | George- | c'mon everyone |
| 21:17:58 | George- | you've gotta buy it |
| 21:17:58 | kyoorius | hey, the stock Zaurus rom leaves about 6MB of space in Ramdrive. The latest OpenZaurus leaves a little over 3.5MB.. are there apps that can be safely removed to free up space? |
| 21:18:02 | George- | Or I'll kill ya! |
| 21:18:02 | George- | :) |
| 21:18:04 | warmi_away | George-: it is access of the Unix world |
| 21:18:15 | George- | warmi_away: it is? |
| 21:18:19 | BigBoss | it's only $49.95 on our site |
| 21:18:26 | ljp_work | George: ya know.. someday, you'llrealize that everyone needs to eat |
| 21:18:29 | kergoth`mtg | kyoorius: openzaurus has 24megs free of ramdisk, depending on your kernel. |
| 21:18:35 | George- | BigBoss: do prices have to be raised to take account the 30% handango cut? |
| 21:18:38 | kergoth`mtg | kyoorius: you're looking at 3.5 megs free of FLASH, not ramdisk. |
| 21:18:41 | BigBoss | and if you buy it with other apps, you spend even less |
| 21:18:42 | kergoth`mtg | kyoorius: ramdisk is /mnt/ram |
| 21:18:50 | BigBoss | if you don't buy it then we both loose money :) |
| 21:18:53 | warmi_away | fuck .. our corporate net is slow like crap today |
| 21:18:57 | George- | BigBoss: haha |
| 21:19:02 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Hello friend |
| 21:19:07 | kergoth | hey Speedy2 |
| 21:19:09 | kergoth | long meeting |
| 21:19:10 | Speedy2 | kergoth: No way to upgrade 5000D to 64MB |
| 21:19:12 | George- | ok |
| 21:19:17 | George- | this is starting to *really* bug me |
| 21:19:17 | Titan818 | does anyone use Kinkatta Lite in here? |
| 21:19:19 | kergoth | Speedy2: ah thats too bad |
| 21:19:20 | George- | weeps |
| 21:19:20 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Not without severe crazyness |
| 21:19:33 | warmi_away | BigBoss: this is quite serious app |
| 21:19:39 | ljp_work | Speedy2: yes there is.. sell the 5000d on ebay and buy a 5500 |
| 21:19:49 | Speedy2 | ljp: That is not what I meant. |
| 21:19:50 | BigBoss | warmi: it is big time serious, you can build some mondo applications like this |
| 21:19:52 | ljp_work | hehehe |
| 21:19:53 | warmi_away | a bit too serious for most PDA non-technical users .. |
| 21:19:55 | Speedy2 | ljp: I prefer more INSANE solutions. |
| 21:19:56 | BigBoss | work against a local or remote database |
| 21:20:15 | ljp_work | speedy2: oh like piggyback memory? |
| 21:20:38 | Speedy2 | ljp: Been there, done that (MANY TIMES) |
| 21:20:38 | Harlekin | loves the xscale errata list |
| 21:20:46 | Harlekin | a wounder an xscale runs at all |
| 21:21:02 | Speedy2 | That is the Intel way! |
| 21:21:05 | warmi_away | looks like a great tool for creating custom solutions for data gathering etc ... |
| 21:21:16 | Speedy2 | When Intel took over the SA1100 from DEC and made the SA1110, you should have seen the errata for that! |
| 21:21:18 | Speedy2 | It was ALSO not pretty |
| 21:21:29 | Speedy2 | And they attempted to make minimal changes to the SA1100 |
| 21:21:30 | Speedy2 | Idiots. |
| 21:21:33 | kergoth | Harlekin: url? |
| 21:21:51 | George- | BigBoss: uhm |
| 21:21:54 | Speedy2 | kergoth: http://developer.intel.com/design/pca/applicationsprocessors/specupdt/27853402.pdf |
| 21:21:55 | George- | BigBoss: what Qt theme do you use on your Opie/Qpe apps? |
| 21:22:07 | BigBoss | George: ours |
| 21:22:14 | Sniper1 | sup all |
| 21:22:23 | George- | BigBoss: damn :) |
| 21:22:44 | George- | BigBoss: is that theme hard coded in/ |
| 21:22:49 | Sniper1 | bb: i saw the new app - verynice |
| 21:22:55 | BigBoss | thanks Sniper |
| 21:23:01 | George- | BigBoss: or is it just that whenever you do screenies, that's the theme that is set? |
| 21:23:04 | warmi_away | George-: I was whining to BB to release it to the public but according to msmax , due to Qt 2.x limitations, this is not a very "clean" theme that can be easily packaged and sold |
| 21:23:34 | BigBoss | he back ported it from Qt3, it was a bit of a bitch |
| 21:24:04 | warmi_away | yeah .. something like that |
| 21:24:08 | George- | what theme is it? |
| 21:24:10 | kergoth | Harlekin: so its a problem with the implementation, not with xscale itself |
| 21:24:15 | warmi_away | custom , I think |
| 21:24:15 | Speedy2 | No |
| 21:24:17 | kergoth | Sniper: hey |
| 21:24:20 | Speedy2 | The XScale itself is shit |
| 21:24:25 | Twiun | Sniper: Hey, hey, hey |
| 21:24:33 | Harlekin | kergoth: no, the xscale has _serious_ bugs |
| 21:24:33 | Speedy2 | kergoth: XScale == Intel's ARMv5 implementation |
| 21:24:42 | kergoth | Speedy2: ah |
| 21:24:43 | Harlekin | kergoth: that whole cpu is a piece of shit |
| 21:24:49 | Speedy2 | XScale == Product Intel attempted to design...and failed |
| 21:24:55 | kergoth | well then, i want a better implentation of armv5 |
| 21:24:56 | kergoth | damnit. |
| 21:25:10 | Oriumpor | Speedy2: it looks more like they half finished it... |
| 21:25:47 | Speedy2 | kergoth: See me after class |
| 21:25:47 | Speedy2 | heh |
| 21:25:52 | Twiun | Sniper: Thanks for that survey link, I've put it up on the faq frontpage too |
| 21:26:02 | warmi_away | hehe |
| 21:26:49 | Oriumpor | horatio hornblower flood on alt.binaries.ebooks |
| 23:06:43 | ljp_work | no, it was \ |
| 23:06:57 | Oriumpor | i'm gonna try compile and error w/pico if I can't get a true ctrl key |
| 23:07:05 | ljp_work | for the Z's keyboard |
| 23:07:08 | Oriumpor | yeah |
| 23:07:50 | ljp_work | have you trie dthe opie konsole? |
| 23:08:04 | ljp_work | I need new thumbs |
| 23:08:15 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 23:08:19 | Oriumpor | pre-qt there is a true ctrl |
| 23:08:23 | Oriumpor | er opie |
| 23:08:39 | krnlkrtz | jmhodges: cnet picked up the story: http://news.com.com/2100-1040-943163.html?tag=fd_top |
| 23:09:00 | ljp_work | pre opie? |
| 23:09:14 | Oriumpor | during the boot, if you dump to console |
| 23:09:24 | jmhodges | cool krnlkrtz! did they contact you guys? :) |
| 23:09:30 | jmhodges | is on 56k and trying to get thee |
| 23:09:41 | ljp_work | ooohhh console |
| 23:10:08 | krnlkrtz | yeah |
| 23:10:09 | jmhodges | dammit "hackers" cnet should know better |
| 23:10:14 | krnlkrtz | another team member talked to them |
| 23:10:29 | jmhodges | cool krnlkrtz |
| 23:11:18 | ljp_work | thing that gets me is that several developers told sharp in december it needed to do something about security |
| 23:11:29 | krnlkrtz | we told them too |
| 23:11:39 | ljp_work | who's 'we'? |
| 23:11:47 | krnlkrtz | they never really did anything other than tell us that they were already looking tinto it |
| 23:11:57 | krnlkrtz | suruaz |
| 23:12:09 | krnlkrtz | the authors of the 'traq advisory |
| 23:12:12 | Oriumpor | why does that daemon listen on all ip's anyways? |
| 23:12:19 | Neo|Work | btw, whomever says that you can't ftp to 4242 other than from USB is wrong |
| 23:12:30 | Neo|Work | I just did on a 172.XX address |
| 23:12:41 | ljp_work | oh. I'm talking about developers who attended sharps developer conference in December |
| 23:12:48 | Oriumpor | Neo|Work: it would work from any IP, it's listening on *:4242 |
| 23:12:50 | krnlkrtz | Neo|Work: please elaborate |
| 23:12:55 | Neo|Work | which, of course is also a private subnet, but not withing 168.192.0 range or whatever USB is at |
| 23:13:07 | krnlkrtz | do you have the latest rom |
| 23:13:16 | Neo|Work | Oriumpor: except that some people say that the code itself blocks connections from other places |
| 23:13:26 | ljp_work | In Opie, we've made it possible to at least easily stop accepting conenctions |
| 23:13:27 | Neo|Work | unless explicedly enabled somewhere else |
| 23:13:36 | Oriumpor | Neo|Work: erm... no. |
| 23:13:49 | Oriumpor | Neo|Work: I can connect from any IP |
| 23:13:53 | Neo|Work | but as I said, that is not the case on my Zaurus |
| 23:14:01 | Neo|Work | so whomever said that is wrong |
| 23:14:03 | Oriumpor | 64.x.x.x 205.x.x.x |
| 23:14:12 | Oriumpor | 192.168 10.x.x.x |
| 23:14:13 | krnlkrtz | who is running the latest ROM |
| 23:14:16 | Neo|Work | or Sharp uses a different Qtopia codebase that disabled that builtin security |
| 23:14:27 | Neo|Work | Oriumpor: well, as I said. :) |
| 23:14:36 | Neo|Work | Oriumpor: I'm not arguing with you but agreeing |
| 23:14:37 | Oriumpor | as soon as I heard I tried.. |
| 23:14:46 | jmhodges | krnlkrtz: nice article |
| 23:15:08 | krnlkrtz | jmhodges: thanks |
| 23:15:09 | ljp_work | there is supposed to be another new rom out soon |
| 23:15:10 | jmhodges | like the emphasis they put on Sharp's "not wanting to live the lifestyle" |
| 23:15:17 | ljp_work | hehehe |
| 23:15:30 | jmhodges | :) |
| 23:15:32 | ljp_work | thats why a few devs stopped developing for the zaurus |
| 23:15:32 | Neo|Work | that passcode thing is quite dorky to begin with. I managed to get in and play bustem (which was running when I suspended) without entering a correct code |
| 23:16:01 | krnlkrtz | Neo|Work: how? |
| 23:16:02 | Oriumpor | ljp_work: wha? |
| 23:16:04 | Neo|Work | no matter how Sharp handles open source, the Zaurus is by far the best PDA to develop for |
| 23:16:26 | krnlkrtz | ? |
| 23:16:43 | Neo|Work | krnlkrtz: not sure. I had a bug in Bust'em at the time making it blit the screen even when not in front so I couldn't see the passcode app. I simply pressed wildly and suddently Bust'em was in front, playing |
| 23:17:00 | ljp_work | Oriumpor: because sharp doesnt get open source.. a few early adopter devs, such as Ralf, stopped thinking of the Z |
| 23:17:24 | ljp_work | and Nick, both from kde |
| 23:17:27 | jmhodges | :( |
| 23:17:37 | jmhodges | stopped thinking of the Z? what do youmean? |
| 23:17:50 | Oriumpor | ljp_work: I been using OZ since 1.0 ... so I have like 0 experience w/the sharp people |
| 23:17:58 | ljp_work | well, nick stopped development on his Z app |
| 23:18:16 | ljp_work | which opie recently aquired |
| 23:18:27 | jmhodges | :) cool what is it? |
| 23:19:01 | ljp_work | Ralf Nolden stopped coming around here after his big stink about the sdk libs not even working for Zaurus dev |
| 23:19:10 | jmhodges | ? |
| 23:19:12 | ljp_work | nicks app is checkbook |
| 23:19:13 | Oriumpor | lol |
| 23:19:14 | jmhodges | cool |
| 23:20:35 | ljp_work | its funny, tho.. sdk release 1, whichis known to have missing symbols, is Trolltechs current qtopie-free sdk |
| 23:20:49 | jmhodges | :( |
| 23:21:00 | jmhodges | glares in trolltechs general direction |
| 23:21:02 | Harlekin_ | ljp_work: time to get our sdk running |
| 23:21:17 | ljp_work | sad, sad,sad |
| 23:21:32 | ljp_work | and qtopiadesktop for windows needs a debug dll that only comes with vc++ |
| 23:21:38 | jmhodges | ARGH |
| 23:21:46 | Oriumpor | lol |
| 23:21:49 | jmhodges | is incredibly pissed off at sharp and trolltech |
| 23:21:52 | jmhodges | :) |
| 23:21:52 | Oriumpor | no wonder I never had any problems |
| 23:21:54 | jmhodges | oh well |
| 23:22:04 | ljp_work | and they KNOW about it |
| 23:22:10 | Oriumpor | you gotta be kidding |
| 23:22:15 | jmhodges | omg |
| 23:22:25 | Oriumpor | what the hell do they do all day? |
| 23:22:25 | ljp_work | nope, told them about both |
| 23:22:51 | kyoorius | bleh, according to today's cnet article, " the company's next-generation Zaurus device, due this fall, will address the vulnerabilities. The gadget will come with Intel's 400MHz XScale PXA250 processor and a larger battery than the one found in Sharp's currently available Zaurus SL-5500. The Zaurus SL-5500 uses Intel's 206MHz StrongARM SA-1110 processor." |
| 23:23:11 | Oriumpor | larger doesn't mean longer battery life : P |
| 23:23:15 | kyoorius | so basically, my SL-5000 has about 4 months before obsolecense. |
| 23:23:26 | Neo|Work | ljp_work: even the latest Qtopia desktop release from this week? |
| 23:23:44 | ljp_work | oh.. havent tried that one |
| 23:23:52 | Neo|Work | kyoorius: well, naturally that will happen. see it as a good thing that they continue releasing new hardware |
| 23:24:06 | ljp_work | no ones relesaed a new rom for 5000d so I cant try it |
| 23:24:13 | kyoorius | it's questionable as to how much support they're going to provide for "legacy" cpu's in the future.. |
| 23:24:28 | jmhodges | hmm.. |
| 23:24:28 | Oriumpor | kyoorius: they have support now? |
| 23:24:30 | jmhodges | suck kyoorius |
| 23:24:34 | kyoorius | heheh. good point. |
| 23:24:41 | Oriumpor | It was a question |
| 23:24:44 | Oriumpor | do they? |
| 23:24:51 | kyoorius | somewhat. i guess. |
| 23:25:16 | Oriumpor | at least there'll be a support database when they're phase it out then |
| 23:25:43 | Oriumpor | they're>gonna<phase |
| 23:26:17 | ][N-Flux | new 5000 rom yet? |
| 23:26:24 | jmhodges | lol |
| 23:26:41 | ljp_work | hahaha verry funy |
| 23:26:47 | kyoorius | changing cpu's and hardware constantly is is no way to build a strong base of developers, I think. |
| 23:27:07 | ljp_work | true |
| 23:27:22 | krnlkrtz | my favorite quote about sharp: Security holes are not likely to help Zaurus' already delicate prospects. |
| 23:27:47 | ljp_work | ya.. thats true, combined with those bad reviews |
| 23:28:03 | ljp_work | too bad nobody mentions Opie |
| 23:28:10 | krnlkrtz | the keyboard thing was a nice idea but a bit too small |
| 23:28:12 | ][N-Flux | sharp never listened |
| 23:28:18 | krnlkrtz | these cell/palms have a shot |
| 23:28:40 | ljp_work | I like the keyboard,.. but I have slim fingers |
| 23:28:56 | ][N-Flux | keyboard is fine for me also |
| 23:29:01 | Oriumpor | what do they care when they sell their stock like crazy in .jp and .tw |
| 23:29:01 | krnlkrtz | too small for me |
| 23:29:02 | Oriumpor | ? |
| 23:29:19 | Oriumpor | stock as it product not stuff that drops like crazy with press release |
| 23:29:33 | ljp_work | didi it drop today? |
| 23:29:44 | ljp_work | well.. nm everything dropped |
| 23:30:21 | ljp_work | opie needs a PR person |
| 23:31:02 | jmhodges | LOL |
| 23:31:43 | jmhodges | ljp_work: they did mention OZ |
| 23:31:54 | Oriumpor | they didn't mention the sercurity patch |
| 23:31:55 | ljp_work | no ;( |
| 23:32:00 | Oriumpor | security |
| 23:32:01 | Oriumpor | oh god |
| 23:32:04 | Oriumpor | I shouldn't bother typing |
| 23:32:15 | tux_mike | how odd... from my z: ls: ./ipk.tar: Value too large for defined data type |
| 23:33:12 | Neo|Work | kyoorius: thing is, a typical arm4 app might very well just run straight out of the ipk on a arm5 arch |
| 23:33:15 | ljp_work | the tricky thing about running qtopia/opie as a user is the sync software, which is currently beyond our control |
| 23:34:04 | Oriumpor | ahh yes... reign of fire on gnutella one day early |
| 23:34:10 | ljp_work | but when kde 3.1 is out, with kitchensync, we can simply tie up the loose sync security |
| 23:34:27 | jmhodges | kitchensync? |
| 23:34:31 | Oriumpor | kitchensync ...heheh |
| 23:34:37 | jmhodges | i like the name :) |
| 23:34:43 | ][N-Flux | Oriumpor: make sure it's the actualy movie, I've downloaded wrong movies too many times to count |
| 23:34:47 | ljp_work | ya.. its a plugin type of app for syncing pdas |
| 23:34:50 | Oriumpor | 3.0 has everything but kitchensynch |
| 23:34:53 | Oriumpor | lol |
| 23:35:03 | ljp_work | hahhah true |
| 23:35:06 | jmhodges | lol |
| 23:35:12 | jmhodges | ljp_work: sweet |
| 23:35:25 | ljp_work | but 3.1 will have everything including kitchensync |
| 23:35:51 | ljp_work | I heard the hold up is bugs in kde pim |
| 23:35:51 | jmhodges | bloat |
| 23:35:56 | sjohnson | is away: food run |
| 23:35:57 | jmhodges | :) |
| 23:35:59 | Harlekin_ | ljp_work: yes |
| 23:36:13 | Harlekin_ | ljp_work: its just ugly if you have to close korganizer |
| 23:36:17 | Harlekin_ | so you can sync |
| 23:36:30 | Harlekin_ | its needed because there is no way to get the changed data otherwise |
| 23:36:40 | ljp_work | Harlekin_: will kitchensync be able to handle passwords and such? |
| 23:36:49 | Harlekin_ | yes |
| 23:36:52 | Harlekin_ | allready does |
| 23:37:02 | Harlekin_ | you can set username and password |
| 23:37:04 | jmhodges | ok what is pim again? |
| 23:37:06 | jmhodges | dammit |
| 23:37:12 | jmhodges | im such a forgetful bastard |
| 23:37:17 | W|GGL|T | personal information manager |
| 23:37:19 | | Harlekin_: i'm not following you... |
| 23:37:19 | Harlekin_ | ibot: pim |
| 23:37:25 | ljp_work | personal information management ? |
| 23:37:27 | jmhodges | thanks W|GGL|T |
| 23:37:28 | | OK, Harlekin_. |
| 23:37:28 | Harlekin_ | ibot: pim is personal information manager |
| 23:37:31 | | rumour has it pim is personal information manager |
| 23:37:31 | Harlekin_ | ibot: pim |
| 23:37:37 | jmhodges | damit Harlekin_ i was just doing that :) |
| 23:37:38 | ljp_work | hehe |
| 23:37:49 | Oriumpor | well... i guess ibot is in on the rumor |
| 23:37:56 | Oriumpor | dang |
| 23:38:00 | Oriumpor | it's out of the bag |
| 23:38:16 | jmhodges | Hehe |
| 23:38:47 | Harlekin_ | jmhodges: next time .-) |
| 23:38:59 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 23:39:08 | jmhodges | well i guess i gotta let others have a feeew |
| 23:39:19 | ljp_work | what does kde's pim user for data? |
| 23:39:28 | Oriumpor | xml? |
| 23:39:37 | ljp_work | I hope not |
| 23:39:48 | Oriumpor | lemme look |
| 23:40:06 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 23:40:07 | Harlekin_ | no |
| 23:40:32 | ljp_work | html? |
| 23:40:37 | Harlekin_ | very funny |
| 23:40:37 | jmhodges | "xml?" "I hope not" "lemme look" something about that just makes me lauge so hard |
| 23:40:53 | Harlekin_ | vcal |
| 23:40:59 | jmhodges | vcal? |
| 23:41:00 | jmhodges | wtf? |
| 23:41:06 | jmhodges | googles |
| 23:41:07 | ljp_work | does it use a db? |
| 23:41:09 | Harlekin_ | standard |
| 23:41:16 | Harlekin_ | like evolution does too |
| 23:41:17 | | jmhodges: i'm not following you... |
| 23:41:17 | jmhodges | ibot google vcal |
| 23:41:27 | | jmhodges? |
| 23:41:27 | jmhodges | ibot |
| 23:41:33 | jmhodges | damn. |
| 23:41:39 | jmhodges | :) |
| 23:42:19 | Oriumpor | vcal |
| 23:42:32 | ljp_work | vcard |
| 23:43:05 | jmhodges | vFolder? |
| 23:43:07 | jmhodges | :) |
| 23:44:04 | Oriumpor | it has it's own standard API |
| 23:44:08 | Oriumpor | own "standard" |
| 23:44:22 | Oriumpor | I propose the 'database client' be abstracted into the form of a DATA PROXY. This would be a wrapper class around database access methods and public to all developing applications for KDE. |
| 23:44:56 | Oriumpor | heh |
| 23:45:15 | ljp_work | I think kde needs to be ported to java.. same for the kernel |
| 23:45:31 | Oriumpor | ... |
| 23:45:35 | Oriumpor | klibs? |
| 23:45:37 | ljp_work | :D |
| 23:45:51 | ljp_work | yup.. javalibs |
| 23:46:10 | Oriumpor | screams at 20 million lines of code and passes out |
| 23:46:21 | jmhodges | LOL |
| 23:47:52 | iang_npa | Does someone have an ipk of gpsd that will work with kismet? |
| 23:48:42 | Oriumpor | the pool is calling to me |
| 23:48:47 | Oriumpor | I can feel it |
| 23:49:20 | jmhodges | iang_npa: you warwalkin' fool |
| 23:49:31 | iang_npa | with a new toy :-) |
| 23:49:45 | ljp_work | bbl |
| 23:49:46 | Oriumpor | iang_npa: you don't get very good range with the symbol do you? |
| 23:50:05 | iang_npa | fine so far, as far as I can tell |
| 23:50:20 | kyoorius | bal |
| 23:50:22 | Oriumpor | you don't have any hardware hacks or anything? |
| 23:50:24 | kyoorius | que esto |
| 23:50:26 | kyoorius | quienes son |
| 23:50:30 | kyoorius | yo no creo en nadie |
| 23:50:35 | kyoorius | que es lo que esta pasando? |
| 23:50:38 | kyoorius | dime dime dime! |
| 23:50:46 | kyoorius | que que fue que paso! |
| 23:50:49 | kyoorius | digame pues |
| 23:50:57 | Oriumpor | No. |
| 23:51:01 | kyoorius | Brasil pentacampeao |
| 23:51:04 | kyoorius | si si |
| 23:51:08 | Oriumpor | Pay attention |
| 23:51:09 | jmhodges | kyoorius: wtf |
| 23:51:09 | iang_npa | Oriumpor: nope. |
| 23:51:15 | jmhodges | :) |
| 23:51:15 | jmhodges | spanish |
| 23:51:52 | Oriumpor | iang_npa: I only get like 140 foot range on reception |
| 23:52:07 | kyoorius | yo no ~ |
| 23:52:30 | Oriumpor | (excluding the yagi antenna that melts plastic at my workplace) |
| 23:52:45 | jmhodges | LOL |
| 23:53:32 | kyoorius | hey. sorry bout that. some insane spanish girl took control of my computer while i was in the shower. |
| 23:53:33 | Oriumpor | I get some wierd packet bounces tho : / |
| 23:53:37 | iang_npa | Mine works everywhere in my house, and somewhat outside. I haven't tried connecting to the random networks I stumble across yet. |
| 23:54:09 | Oriumpor | iang_npa: I have real trouble associating at ranges above 50 feet |
| 23:54:37 | Oriumpor | recieving packets the range is much larger |
| 23:54:56 | Oriumpor | 140 feet is pretty limited tho |
| 23:55:37 | Titan818 | does anyone use Kinkatta Lite here? |
| 23:56:21 | Titan818 | im having some sound problems with it |
| 23:56:32 | iang_npa | One day, we'll get one with an external antenna plug. :-) |
| 23:56:49 | BigBoss | Titan818: that's the problem with using unsupported open source |
| 23:57:36 | Oriumpor | maybe a dish that clips around the top |
| 23:58:12 | Titan818 | im just wondering if anyone else is having the problem |
