| 00:00:18 | Oriumpor | not having ever used the synching program... I have 0 experience w/it |
| 00:01:49 | ljp | should be able too |
| 00:02:18 | Oriumpor | that simplifies things significantly |
| 00:03:31 | eNNoyeD | i keep getting this from the trolltech ftp: 502-PORT/EPRT is disabled for security reasons. |
| 00:03:31 | eNNoyeD | 502 Please use PASV/EPSV instead ("passive on") |
| 00:03:31 | eNNoyeD | 425 No data connection: No such file or directory |
| 00:03:39 | eNNoyeD | wtf ? |
| 00:09:14 | smee | can I put swap files on vfat? |
| 00:09:44 | smee | swapon is giving me: 'Invalid argument' |
| 00:09:54 | Oriumpor | i really wanna reload my rh pc : ( |
| 00:11:59 | eNNoyeD | can someone send me qt-mt301.dll please? |
| 00:12:12 | smee | bah, mkswap |
| 00:21:59 | eNNoyeD | whats the latest versino of OPIE? mine says 1.50 snapshot under the version tab. |
| 00:22:00 | Oriumpor | exit |
| 00:25:39 | Cloudchaser | hiya |
| 00:28:33 | ljp | hi |
| 00:29:59 | Cloudchaser | how are you tonight? |
| 00:33:20 | Cloudchaser | dang.. remember i was asking about battery? |
| 00:33:35 | Cloudchaser | when i read that i unplugged mine |
| 00:33:54 | Cloudchaser | had it shut off, turned it on a couple times during the day for a few minutes |
| 00:34:08 | Cloudchaser | i get home and turn it on and the battery's giving me low battery!! |
| 00:34:47 | Cloudchaser | not even an hour's use! |
| 00:34:55 | Cloudchaser | and i had CF out |
| 00:36:22 | ljp | leave it plugged in over night, the led will turn off when its fully charged |
| 00:36:40 | ljp | i'm ok.. |
| 00:39:42 | Cloudchaser | i usually have it plugged in at home, then at night i shut it off and put it in my purse cause i don't want my cat to knock it off its cradle and break it |
| 00:40:40 | Cloudchaser | it's charging now |
| 00:40:51 | Cloudchaser | when the light goes out i'll test it again |
| 00:40:55 | Cloudchaser | see how long i get |
| 00:41:12 | Cloudchaser | i'm still under warranty so i can get battery replaced if its not working right |
| 00:41:44 | Cloudchaser | battery warranty is 90 days |
| 00:43:03 | warmi | Cloudchaster how was the party ? |
| 00:45:06 | Cloudchaser | oh it was great fun! :) |
| 00:46:18 | Cloudchaser | had a very nice day and the weather was beautiful! |
| 00:46:39 | warmi | heh |
| 00:46:50 | warmi | hot and humid here in Chicago but that is not news .. |
| 00:46:51 | warmi | hehe |
| 00:47:11 | Cloudchaser | ah it was pretty low humidity maybe low to mid 80's |
| 00:47:44 | warmi | I think I am going to see Man In Black 2 |
| 00:47:57 | Cloudchaser | :) sounds like fun |
| 00:47:59 | warmi | slow day , might as well go enjoy a mindless movie |
| 00:48:01 | warmi | hehe |
| 00:49:14 | warmi | my buddy said he thought Man In Black 1 were the most ridiculous movie he had ever seen |
| 00:49:28 | warmi | but he is the kind of a guy who enjoys slow European style movies |
| 00:49:52 | Cloudchaser | have to see it for yourself to decide :) |
| 00:50:19 | warmi | yeah, I don't expect it to be a thought provoking entertainment |
| 00:50:32 | warmi | but , frankly, I don';t need such on saturday evening |
| 00:50:33 | warmi | heh |
| 00:50:42 | warmi | I am going then |
| 00:50:50 | warmi_movies | see you later folks |
| 00:50:52 | Cloudchaser | have fun! |
| 00:56:50 | Cloudchaser | - |
| 00:59:18 | Cloudchaser | if i want samba to run when z reboots, i put /etc/init.d/samba start into /etc/rcd/rc.local? |
| 01:02:07 | Guyzmo | hum |
| 01:02:28 | Guyzmo | cloud - I think you should create a symlink into /dev/rc?.d/ |
| 01:02:41 | Guyzmo | where ? is the init you're using |
| 01:03:44 | Cloudchaser | well to get hostname to stay i had to put it into /etc/rc.d/rc.loca |
| 01:04:05 | Guyzmo | what you mean ? |
| 01:04:29 | Cloudchaser | one sec i'll know soon enough |
| 01:04:41 | Guyzmo | :) |
| 01:05:01 | Guyzmo | how easy is the install of linux on the zaurus ? |
| 01:05:17 | Cloudchaser | what? |
| 01:05:18 | Guyzmo | [I'm thinking about buying one, when I'll have the money :>] |
| 01:05:22 | Cloudchaser | its already on z |
| 01:05:30 | Guyzmo | uhuh |
| 01:05:49 | Guyzmo | err.. that's not what is it in specs on sharp.co.uk |
| 01:06:03 | Cloudchaser | i'm not sure what you mean |
| 01:06:22 | Cloudchaser | the 5500 runs embedded linux |
| 01:07:35 | Cloudchaser | cool that worked :) |
| 01:07:40 | Guyzmo | uhuh |
| 01:07:41 | treke|home | Guyzmo: sharp.co.uk may not say it runs Linux, but it does |
| 01:07:48 | Guyzmo | ok |
| 01:07:56 | Cloudchaser | heya treke! |
| 01:07:57 | Guyzmo | so that's really fine :) |
| 01:08:04 | treke|home | hey Cloudchaser |
| 01:08:13 | Cloudchaser | how's things today? |
| 01:08:19 | treke|home | eh |
| 01:08:23 | Guyzmo | it's based upon what distrib ? |
| 01:08:39 | treke|home | Guyzmo: Embedix. It's a distro Lineo put together |
| 01:08:51 | ljp | Guyzmo: you must have ment a _better_ linux. Openzaurus is easy tp install ;) |
| 01:09:00 | treke|home | haha |
| 01:09:03 | Cloudchaser | haha |
| 01:09:11 | Cloudchaser | but hard to get rid of! |
| 01:09:15 | treke|home | too bad openzaurus is based on familiar :) |
| 01:09:17 | Cloudchaser | (just kidding) |
| 01:09:19 | ljp | for some, yes |
| 01:09:31 | Cloudchaser | i'm looking forward to trying it out |
| 01:09:36 | Guyzmo | I mean is there a port of debian on it ? :P |
| 01:09:41 | treke|home | Guyzmo: no |
| 01:09:46 | Guyzmo | :) |
| 01:09:47 | treke|home | Guyzmo: debian will not fit on it |
| 01:09:50 | Cloudchaser | when kergoth tells me its ready for me! |
| 01:10:02 | ljp | 6 cds wont fit on the Z ;) |
| 01:10:08 | Guyzmo | hehe |
| 01:10:10 | Cloudchaser | lol |
| 01:10:18 | Guyzmo | anyway |
| 01:10:23 | treke|home | the debian packages list alone is 11M :) |
| 01:10:28 | Guyzmo | I'm not sure that debian runs on arm :) |
| 01:10:32 | treke|home | Guyzmo: it does |
| 01:10:36 | Guyzmo | oh ? |
| 01:10:46 | eNNoyeD | is there no way to upgrade the RAM? |
| 01:10:56 | ljp | many deb arm packages work fine on the z |
| 01:11:11 | ljp | ya make a swap file |
| 01:11:30 | treke|home | most of familiar is probably just debian arm hacked apart :) |
| 01:11:35 | eNNoyeD | but every where i read it says its a bad idea to make a swapfile on a CF or SD card since they wear out quickly |
| 01:11:43 | Cloudchaser | put it in ram |
| 01:11:56 | treke|home | Cloudchaser: um... what? |
| 01:12:01 | eNNoyeD | i only have 32megs. (5000D) |
| 01:12:09 | treke|home | Cloudchaser: put your virtual memory in the physical memory? :) |
| 01:12:19 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
| 01:12:31 | Cloudchaser | well still can have swap |
| 01:12:38 | Cloudchaser | 4 megs should be enough |
| 01:12:39 | eNNoyeD | if i move /home/root to the CF, how would i make a symlink? i forgot is it ln -s <destination> <file> or the opposite? |
| 01:12:53 | Guyzmo | man ln ;) |
| 01:12:56 | Guyzmo | or ln --help |
| 01:13:00 | eNNoyeD | oh ya ln |
| 01:13:15 | treke|home | Cloudchaser: but then your down 4 megs of physicall ram and up 4 megs of slower swap |
| 01:13:36 | Cloudchaser | not so much slower |
| 01:13:42 | eNNoyeD | ok so i move /home/root to /mnt/cf/home/root then under the z's / i type ln -s /mnt/cf/home/root /home/root ??? is that right? |
| 01:13:48 | Cloudchaser | same really as the 16 you're using to run programs no? |
| 01:13:54 | Guyzmo | hum |
| 01:14:02 | Guyzmo | yes |
| 01:14:09 | eNNoyeD | cool |
| 01:14:49 | Cloudchaser | if you're going to make a swap file it only makes sense to do it in ram, not on CF or SD |
| 01:14:59 | eNNoyeD | one more; where can i put the swapon command so everytime i wake up the Z the swapfile is activated? |
| 01:15:06 | Guyzmo | but anyway it's possible to buy a 2"1/2 ide HD, and then plugging it to the smartcard device :P |
| 01:15:29 | Guyzmo | eNNoyeD - /etc/rc.d/rc.local ? |
| 01:15:34 | eNNoyeD | ok. |
| 01:15:39 | eNNoyeD | before the exit 0 ? |
| 01:15:44 | Guyzmo | of course |
| 01:15:48 | eNNoyeD | cool |
| 01:15:52 | Guyzmo | exit 0 will end the script :) |
| 01:16:01 | Guyzmo | everything after is not executed |
| 01:16:38 | eNNoyeD | when the Z goes to sleep or when you u hit the power button, is the swapfile turned off? |
| 01:17:02 | Guyzmo | I don't think so |
| 01:17:23 | eNNoyeD | now if i can only get the damn thing to sync with Qdesktop. i just put OZ on it and it will not connect to my win2k :( |
| 01:17:26 | Guyzmo | (it doesn't do that on laptop, so I can conclude no) |
| 01:17:42 | eNNoyeD | qtdesktop rather |
| 01:17:58 | Guyzmo | eNNoyeD - this not in my competences :) |
| 01:18:25 | eNNoyeD | what file do i need to edit to allow FTPing to the Z so i can put the ROMIMAGE back on the CF card? |
| 01:18:28 | Guyzmo | (I don't own have a zaurus, and I don't use KDE) |
| 01:18:33 | Guyzmo | -have |
| 01:19:37 | ljp | just ftp port 4242 user root no password |
| 01:19:53 | Guyzmo | ahah |
| 01:20:08 | Guyzmo | fan of hitch hiker's guide to the galaxy :) |
| 01:21:08 | eNNoyeD | ljp: ok, so what ip selection do i pick under security and what ip do i ftp into ? |
| 01:22:15 | eNNoyeD | you would think this would work but it just times out: ftp://root@192.168.201.129:4242/ |
| 01:23:06 | Cloudchaser | missing an octet |
| 01:23:10 | Cloudchaser | in ip address |
| 01:23:36 | Cloudchaser | oops |
| 01:23:40 | Cloudchaser | sorry no you're not ;) |
| 01:23:43 | Cloudchaser | is blind |
| 01:23:49 | Cloudchaser | hiya jam |
| 01:23:50 | Cloudchaser | jm |
| 01:24:42 | jmhodges | hey |
| 01:24:48 | jmhodges | Desann is my bitch! |
| 01:25:09 | Cloudchaser | oh really |
| 01:25:42 | eNNoyeD | could it be because of the USB Cradle? |
| 01:25:49 | jmhodges | yes really! |
| 01:26:03 | jmhodges | wish i could say i had beaten JKII all on my own |
| 01:26:06 | jmhodges | but i couldnt :( |
| 01:26:49 | eNNoyeD | cool. opies term is in color :) |
| 01:27:17 | eNNoyeD | and vi flashes when you press Escape. VERY COOL! |
| 01:27:32 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 01:27:32 | Cloudchaser | eNNoyeD: are you Gibberishlife? |
| 01:27:39 | jmhodges | gibberishlife? |
| 01:27:51 | eNNoyeD | whose that? |
| 01:28:17 | eNNoyeD | why do u say that? |
| 01:28:21 | ljp | eNNoyeD: can you ping the Z on the desktop? |
| 01:28:38 | eNNoyeD | no |
| 01:28:44 | Cloudchaser | guess not.. someone who posts on ZZ |
| 01:29:07 | eNNoyeD | Cloudchaser: how can you pinpoint someone like that? |
| 01:29:30 | Cloudchaser | is it you? |
| 01:29:48 | eNNoyeD | i didnt say it was. |
| 01:31:20 | eNNoyeD | um, help? i did; mkdir /mnt/cf/home and it said: Cannot create dir. read only file system. how is it read only? |
| 01:32:40 | eNNoyeD | oh ok, mount returns; /dev/hda1 on /mnt/cf type vfat (ro) hw do i change that to (rw)? in what file? |
| 01:34:17 | Oriumpor | hmmm |
| 01:34:22 | Oriumpor | interesting client |
| 01:36:26 | eNNoyeD | i did mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/cf -o rw but when i do mount it keeps saying ro. |
| 01:36:42 | ljp | maybe there errors on the disk |
| 01:36:58 | eNNoyeD | u mean the cf? |
| 01:37:08 | ljp | yes |
| 01:37:37 | eNNoyeD | how can i format it to be ext2? |
| 01:39:08 | ljp | why do that? |
| 01:39:58 | eNNoyeD | hey if i do ifconfig i get "inet addr:127.0.0.1" so apparently it has no IP |
| 01:42:43 | Cloudchaser | hiya Oriumpor: ;) |
| 01:43:34 | Oriumpor | howdy : ) |
| 01:43:36 | Oriumpor | one sec |
| 01:43:39 | Oriumpor | burgers on the grill |
| 01:43:56 | Cloudchaser | ;) |
| 01:44:34 | Oriumpor | you ever decide to start working on your rh box? |
| 01:44:35 | eNNoyeD | does anybody know the different run levls in the inittab file? i have a feeling iam gonna render my device unbootable. |
| 01:45:18 | ljp | how would you do that, you can always reset |
| 01:45:22 | Oriumpor | yeah |
| 01:45:28 | Oriumpor | I was gonna say |
| 01:46:01 | eNNoyeD | well i dont understand why the device has no ip. i figure cause its in single user mode? |
| 01:46:14 | ljp | whats it doing there? |
| 01:46:15 | Oriumpor | you ifconfig and no devices are up? |
| 01:46:34 | Oriumpor | if you think it's in Single user mode init 1 it... see if nothing happens |
| 01:46:39 | eNNoyeD | when i do ipconfig i get inet addr:127.0.0.1 |
| 01:46:50 | eNNoyeD | how do i "init 1 it"? |
| 01:46:54 | Oriumpor | init 1 |
| 01:47:25 | eNNoyeD | ok i typed init 1 and its frozen now. or maybe working? |
| 01:48:17 | eNNoyeD | oh ya, its officially frozen :) |
| 01:48:41 | Oriumpor | then you weren't in runlevel 1 |
| 01:48:42 | Oriumpor | ! |
| 01:48:46 | Oriumpor | reboot |
| 01:48:57 | eNNoyeD | ok. |
| 01:49:13 | eNNoyeD | i think it was in runlevel 2 cause it said 2 in the inittab file. |
| 01:49:20 | Oriumpor | ... |
| 01:49:25 | eNNoyeD | now it says INIT: ENTERING RUNLEVEL 1 |
| 01:49:32 | Oriumpor | lol |
| 01:49:39 | eNNoyeD | after i rebooted. |
| 01:49:54 | eNNoyeD | crap, its frozen. |
| 01:50:09 | Oriumpor | that sucks |
| 01:50:21 | eNNoyeD | no really ? |
| 01:50:49 | Oriumpor | ifconfig giving you an IP meant you weren't in single mode too... |
| 01:50:54 | Oriumpor | I shoulda thought of that |
| 01:51:21 | eNNoyeD | ifconfig was saying 127.0.0.1 |
| 01:51:36 | eNNoyeD | isnt that a loopback number? |
| 01:51:42 | ljp | why'd you mess with the run level? |
| 01:51:42 | Cloudchaser | yep |
| 01:51:43 | Oriumpor | if the loopback is initialized that means you're not in single |
| 01:52:05 | eNNoyeD | crap it still wants to go into level 1 even after i hit the hard reset button |
| 01:52:07 | Oriumpor | it's the first task in bringing stuff online |
| 01:52:47 | | oriumpor: bugger all, i dunno |
| 01:52:47 | Oriumpor | ibot do I talk to much? |
| 01:52:58 | Oriumpor | <ibot> oriumpor: bugger all, i dunno |
| 01:53:01 | eNNoyeD | ya but i thought pressing that button (next to the battery) erases the configs? |
| 01:53:26 | Oriumpor | how friggen wierd |
| 01:53:51 | eNNoyeD | how do i do hard reset? |
| 01:53:57 | Oriumpor | flip open the cover |
| 01:54:01 | Oriumpor | and press the small square thingy |
| 01:54:01 | eNNoyeD | i am just \schoopid today |
| 01:54:07 | eNNoyeD | but thats what i did |
| 01:54:24 | eNNoyeD | if all else fails, reflash. |
| 01:54:25 | eNNoyeD | ? |
| 01:54:26 | Oriumpor | it still pops up in console single user mode only? |
| 01:54:33 | eNNoyeD | yes |
| 01:54:40 | Oriumpor | that's wierd |
| 01:54:56 | eNNoyeD | ya my machine refuses to erase configs. its "unique" |
| 01:55:02 | ljp | did you have a bootflag.txt on the cf when you flashed oz? |
| 01:55:11 | eNNoyeD | yes i did |
| 01:55:26 | eNNoyeD | i have three files onthe cf when i flashed and i still do. |
| 01:55:47 | ljp | might have to reflash |
| 01:56:03 | Oriumpor | ya... that last line of all the howtos "remove the CF" is pretty useless as far as I've been able to tell |
| 01:56:20 | eNNoyeD | damn democrats. ok, both lights are on now. |
| 01:56:23 | Oriumpor | heh |
| 01:56:28 | Oriumpor | democrats? |
| 01:56:38 | eNNoyeD | or republicans. |
| 01:56:42 | eNNoyeD | damn someone. |
| 01:56:43 | eNNoyeD | :) |
| 01:57:14 | eNNoyeD | when it boots up again, how do i assign it an iP so i can connect it to QTdesktop? |
| 01:58:11 | eNNoyeD | its made in japan. its meant to be "durable". at least its not malaysia or something. :) |
| 01:58:32 | ljp | z doesn't need to connect, the desktop needs to connect to the z |
| 01:59:20 | Oriumpor | ljp: perfectionist ; P |
| 01:59:25 | eNNoyeD | uh oh, i see dust under screen. |
| 01:59:35 | Oriumpor | eNNoyeD: KILL! |
| 01:59:49 | eNNoyeD | kill who? |
| 02:00:08 | Oriumpor | whoever dropped it in dust :P |
| 02:00:18 | ljp | the default is 192.168.129.201 |
| 02:00:37 | ljp | the screen is sealed |
| 02:00:41 | eNNoyeD | its still "reconfiguring all packages" or whatever its 4doin4g |
| 02:00:51 | ljp | its writing ssh keys |
| 02:01:04 | Oriumpor | the top lining of the screen comes loose eventually |
| 02:01:04 | eNNoyeD | yeeeha its entering level 2 |
| 02:01:08 | Oriumpor | w/o any drops |
| 02:01:12 | jmhodges | eNNoyeD: thats ok |
| 02:01:20 | eNNoyeD | the black line on the right is ANNOYING! |
| 02:01:37 | jmhodges | inded |
| 02:01:55 | eNNoyeD | ok, ifconfig still says 127.0.0.1 |
| 02:02:16 | eNNoyeD | it says LOCAL LOOPBACK. |
| 02:02:18 | Oriumpor | jornada's have the same ugliness |
| 02:02:40 | Oriumpor | as do the color handsprings |
| 02:02:42 | jmhodges | eNNoyeD: dude chill |
| 02:02:46 | Oriumpor | and the ipaqs to a lesser degree |
| 02:03:00 | eNNoyeD | jmhodges: i am chilling |
| 02:04:34 | ljp | eNNoyeD: you shouldn't have to do anything to the Z except open the security app to get it to sync |
| 02:05:07 | eNNoyeD | ljb: i just did ..i opened it, changed it to ANY and nothing. |
| 02:05:42 | ljp | well, if you cant even ping it from your desktop.. try working there |
| 02:06:07 | jmhodges | eNNoyeD: what did you set your usb0 and usbd0 to? |
| 02:06:14 | eNNoyeD | what ip shall i ping? |
| 02:06:33 | eNNoyeD | jmhodges: you lost me. i didnt set anything close to usb0 or usbd0 |
| 02:06:50 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 02:06:58 | jmhodges | theres your problem i believe |
| 02:07:03 | jmhodges | on your pc |
| 02:07:15 | eNNoyeD | i am under win2k |
| 02:07:30 | jmhodges | oh |
| 02:07:36 | jmhodges | well .. |
| 02:07:40 | jmhodges | n/m |
| 02:08:10 | eNNoyeD | whats NC LOCCALHOST 6667 do ? |
| 02:10:14 | ljp | make sure your ip on the desktop to the z 's connection is 192.168.129.200 in the Network and somethingerother control panel applet |
| 02:11:35 | eNNoyeD | on the Z should i leave it at defautl or change it to ANY? |
| 02:12:58 | ljp | open up any would be fine.. its ip is already set to a default |
| 02:13:18 | eNNoyeD | ok. i'll leave it at default then. |
| 02:13:40 | eNNoyeD | do a ifconfig on yours and tell me what it says would you? |
| 02:16:36 | ljp | lo & usbd0 when its on the cradle |
| 02:17:28 | eNNoyeD | do ifconfig in the Z's term i mean |
| 02:18:14 | ljp | ya |
| 02:18:49 | ljp | that is |
| 02:18:56 | eNNoyeD | no ip #? |
| 02:19:20 | ljp | of course, its the default |
| 02:20:52 | eNNoyeD | ooh i got a "Destination Host Unreachable" at leasts its a step forward from "request timed out" |
| 02:21:37 | eNNoyeD | this is funny, i type ping 192.168.129.1 and it says Reply from 68.6.8.17: Destination host unreachable....wtf? i just typed the 192 number |
| 02:22:46 | ljp | right clickon the usb taskbar icon and select disconnect or whatever |
| 02:23:32 | eNNoyeD | ok i did. |
| 02:23:39 | ljp | disconnect it that way, and then pull the Z off the cradle and replace it again |
| 02:24:09 | ljp | 's cat just sat on his foot |
| 02:24:11 | eNNoyeD | tthe icon appeared again. should it be there? |
| 02:24:30 | ljp | when the usb is connected it should |
| 02:26:28 | eNNoyeD | its timing out |
| 02:28:25 | ljp | go into the zecurity app on the Z and open the ip range combo and select it |
| 02:29:21 | eNNoyeD | hat item shall i select? |
| 02:29:25 | jmhodges | laughs at the silly windows users |
| 02:29:41 | eNNoyeD | keep laughing. |
| 02:30:20 | ljp | any.. just make sure you open the combo.. |
| 02:30:47 | eNNoyeD | can you edit your own numbers ? |
| 02:31:20 | ljp | I think so.. but for now select ANy |
| 02:31:29 | eNNoyeD | oki did |
| 02:31:50 | ljp | that just tells opie that its ok to accept connections in that range |
| 02:32:09 | eNNoyeD | how about under network? shall i ADD LAN - TCP IP or leaeve it it blank? |
| 02:34:40 | ljp | dont nee to mes with that right noew, unless you have a cf net card or are trying to connect your Z to the internet |
| 02:35:51 | eNNoyeD | k |
| 02:36:54 | eNNoyeD | this is very annoying. i am gonna grab a CF reader tomorrow and put the sharp rom on the CF then reflash. |
| 02:37:11 | ljp | did yo uupdate the Z's usb drivers on the desktop? |
| 02:37:22 | eNNoyeD | yes |
| 02:37:48 | eNNoyeD | hey can i connect thru infrared? |
| 02:37:57 | ljp | when you open the usb icon, is that icon have a red mark across it? |
| 02:38:12 | ljp | yes, but no sync through Ir |
| 02:38:41 | eNNoyeD | i dont wanna sync, i just wanna transfer files. |
| 02:38:58 | eNNoyeD | it doesnt have a yellow ! or a red mark. its working fine. |
| 02:39:18 | ljp | try pinging 192.168.129.201 |
| 02:39:21 | Oriumpor | adios |
| 02:39:47 | eNNoyeD | when i do that it says; Reply from 68.6.8.17: Destination host unreachable. |
| 02:40:08 | ljp | try pinging 192.168.129.200 |
| 02:40:32 | eNNoyeD | i get a REQUEST TIMED OUT |
| 02:40:46 | ljp | go into the network applet |
| 02:40:59 | eNNoyeD | on the Z or PC? |
| 02:41:05 | ljp | pc |
| 02:41:10 | ljp | control panel |
| 02:41:16 | eNNoyeD | k |
| 02:41:34 | ljp | reboots machine #2 into win2k |
| 02:41:55 | eNNoyeD | oh i didnt know it had an icon in there for the Z |
| 02:42:58 | ljp | is the TCP/IP connection setup there? |
| 02:43:05 | eNNoyeD | ya its there. |
| 02:43:29 | ljp | setup with 192.168.129.200 as the ip address? |
| 02:43:49 | eNNoyeD | it was on Obtain Automatically |
| 02:44:12 | ljp | for the SL Series device, right? |
| 02:44:15 | eNNoyeD | yes |
| 02:44:26 | eNNoyeD | shall i put in an iP? |
| 02:44:35 | ljp | yes 192.168.129.200 |
| 02:44:45 | Oriu|food | I never thought of that |
| 02:44:53 | Oriu|food | food |
| 02:44:53 | Oriu|food | good |
| 02:44:54 | Oriu|food | hehe |
| 02:44:57 | eNNoyeD | with subnet 255.255.0.0 ? |
| 02:44:57 | Oriu|food | burgers... good |
| 02:45:02 | Oriu|food | erm |
| 02:45:03 | Oriu|food | yeah |
| 02:45:07 | Oriu|food | was gonna say |
| 02:45:16 | eNNoyeD | i got a reply :) |
| 02:45:17 | ljp | 255.255.255.0 |
| 02:45:20 | Oriu|food | why not run dhcpd on the Z ( only hands out 1 ip on the USBD0) |
| 02:45:35 | ljp | dhspd is over rated |
| 02:45:38 | Oriu|food | then this whole config mess is solved |
| 02:45:44 | eNNoyeD | oh shit it connected |
| 02:45:48 | eNNoyeD | sorry excuse m language :) |
| 02:46:22 | ljp | reboots back into linux to continue developing |
| 02:46:23 | eNNoyeD | oh now what, qtopia desktop said it doesnt match the version run on the Z. it will now exit |
| 02:46:56 | ljp | update qtopiadesktop to the download version |
| 02:47:23 | ljp | of ftp to 192.168.129.201 port 4242 username root no password |
| 02:47:32 | eNNoyeD | i did download the one off of the ftp site from trolltech however it keeps saying its missing the qt-mt301.dll file |
| 02:48:12 | ljp | bastards haven't even fixed that.. *sigh* |
| 02:48:28 | eNNoyeD | oh wow it worked. i can now ftp :...thank you! |
| 02:48:41 | ljp | :D |
| 02:48:53 | eNNoyeD | but it goes into /home/root |
| 02:49:04 | eNNoyeD | how do i change to /mnt/cf or something? |
| 02:49:32 | eNNoyeD | ljp: can you dcc me that one file? |
| 02:49:42 | ljp | if you are using a graphical ftp, just navigate to /mnt/cf |
| 02:49:51 | ljp | no dcc here.. |
| 02:51:40 | eNNoyeD | now what do i do about it saying MOUNT (cf card is in read only mode) ? |
| 02:52:01 | ljp | on the z do umount /mnt/cf |
| 02:52:07 | eNNoyeD | ok i did that. |
| 02:53:04 | ljp | fsck.vfat /dev/hda1 or fsck.ext2 /dev/hda1 |
| 02:53:23 | ljp | or fsck.msdo /dev/hda1 |
| 02:53:28 | ljp | msdos even |
| 02:56:12 | eNNoyeD | theres a TON of errors. isnt there a /autofix ? |
| 02:57:15 | ljp | fsck.vfat -y /dev/hda1 |
| 02:58:17 | eNNoyeD | now do i mount it once its done? |
| 02:59:20 | ljp | mount /mnt/cf |
| 02:59:49 | eNNoyeD | sweet. its RW now. THANK YOU! |
| 03:00:10 | ljp | sure.. been there.. done that.. ;) |
| 03:00:39 | ljp | now, open the appearance app and select 'Liquid'.. and enjoy |
| 03:00:58 | eNNoyeD | now i wanna move /home to the cf and symlink it :) |
| 03:01:17 | ljp | ohh you'll have to update opie from the feed to get liquid actually |
| 03:01:40 | eNNoyeD | may i ask how do i update opie from the feed? |
| 03:02:22 | ljp | I just downloaded the most important ipkgs an ftp's them to cf and updated that way |
| 03:02:52 | eNNoyeD | whats the feed url or location? |
| 03:03:44 | | feeds is listed at http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds |
| 03:03:44 | ljp | ibot: feeds |
| 03:03:47 | | feed is a package repository or http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds or http://www.zauruszone.com/feed/ or http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/ for OpenZaurus |
| 03:03:47 | ljp | ibot: feed |
| 03:03:47 | eNNoyeD | wow, it syncs (connects) everytime now. BITE YOUR FINGERS Pocket PCers |
| 03:05:54 | eNNoyeD | time to get vnc :) |
| 03:21:30 | Cloudchaser | heya warmi.. how was the movie? |
| 03:22:07 | warmi | it was good .. |
| 03:22:15 | warmi | actually better then I thought it would be |
| 03:22:38 | Cloudchaser | hehe thats good :) |
| 03:22:50 | warmi | CG effects are insane |
| 03:22:51 | warmi | heh |
| 03:23:07 | W|GGL|T | which movie was this? |
| 03:23:18 | warmi | Man in Black 2 |
| 03:23:23 | W|GGL|T | ahhh |
| 03:23:56 | warmi | not like this move will make you stop and think about life and stuff |
| 03:24:07 | warmi | but reather funny |
| 03:26:46 | jmhodges | finnally |
| 03:38:46 | W|GGL|T | hi gibberishlife |
| 03:38:48 | W|GGL|T | :o) |
| 03:39:35 | W|GGL|T | hi jmhodges |
| 03:40:44 | eNNoyeD | gibberish who? |
| 03:40:49 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 03:40:51 | W|GGL|T | can't fool me |
| 03:40:59 | eNNoyeD | why do you keep saying iam gibberishlife? |
| 03:41:10 | eNNoyeD | you guys are stalkers. |
| 03:41:17 | eNNoyeD | i am gonna call the internet police |
| 03:41:21 | Cloudchaser | lol |
| 03:41:26 | Cloudchaser | stalkers? |
| 03:41:30 | eNNoyeD | ok, tell me how'd you know |
| 03:41:31 | W|GGL|T | a bit paranoid, eh? |
| 03:41:34 | eNNoyeD | is it my STATIC ip? |
| 03:41:45 | eNNoyeD | paranoia and me are best of friends. |
| 03:41:46 | W|GGL|T | just a bit of deduction |
| 03:41:51 | eNNoyeD | deduction? |
| 03:41:52 | Cloudchaser | lets see |
| 03:42:06 | Cloudchaser | 5000, swap on card, init levels can't synch oz |
| 03:42:08 | W|GGL|T | dont be so defensive man, i just said hi |
| 03:42:25 | eNNoyeD | and i just said "how did u trace me"? |
| 03:42:31 | Cloudchaser | i didn't trace you |
| 03:42:39 | Cloudchaser | i just saw some similarities and asked |
| 03:42:40 | eNNoyeD | meaning how'd u know it was me |
| 03:42:43 | Cloudchaser | you got all freaked |
| 03:42:49 | eNNoyeD | similarities such as? |
| 03:43:09 | eNNoyeD | i honestly DO NOT CARE. all i know right now is i want the qt-mt301.dll file. |
| 03:43:20 | W|GGL|T | go find it then |
| 03:43:21 | W|GGL|T | heh |
| 03:43:32 | eNNoyeD | dcc it to me |
| 03:43:38 | Cloudchaser | i'd help but i'm planning my sex change operation |
| 03:44:20 | eNNoyeD | what r u now? |
| 03:44:36 | W|GGL|T | a dumb blond |
| 03:44:47 | eNNoyeD | let me get m "Exacto knife" |
| 03:45:01 | eNNoyeD | where do u wanna place those boobs? |
| 03:45:03 | W|GGL|T | i see that went a bit over your head |
| 03:45:08 | W|GGL|T | re jmhodges |
| 03:45:18 | jmhodges | hey |
| 03:45:23 | Cloudchaser | hiya jm |
| 03:45:30 | jmhodges | hey Cloudchaser |
| 03:45:53 | W|GGL|T | has a good sized migraine....uggh |
| 03:45:59 | eNNoyeD | how many ppl here use OPIE ? |
| 03:46:12 | W|GGL|T | brb...gonna go check the ZZ forum |
| 03:48:10 | jmhodges | ARGJ |
| 03:48:24 | Cloudchaser | s'matter jm? |
| 03:48:33 | jmhodges | everytime i try to ipkg install opie-update.. it freezes at "connecting to .. " on the third time |
| 03:48:50 | Cloudchaser | :( |
| 03:49:19 | kergoth`left | jmhodges: try manually uninstalling the opie packages and then installing task-opie |
| 03:49:26 | Cloudchaser | hiya kergoth |
| 03:49:38 | jmhodges | task-opie gotcha.. |
| 03:50:14 | W|GGL|T | hi sig |
| 03:50:39 | sig | hey whats up |
| 03:51:12 | sig | can't figure out why lilo doesn't give me a choice of kernels too boot to.... |
| 03:51:16 | sig | debian:/home/sig# lilo |
| 03:51:16 | sig | Added Linux * |
| 03:51:16 | sig | Added LinuxOLD |
| 03:51:16 | sig | Added NEW |
| 03:51:21 | sig | doesn't even list them |
| 03:52:20 | Dilbert- | hi |
| 03:52:43 | kergoth | hey cloud |
| 03:52:53 | kergoth | sig: you probably dont have it set to prompt you. |
| 03:53:13 | W|GGL|T | sig: i noticed that too, with libranet |
| 03:53:24 | W|GGL|T | i have to hit the caps button to get a boot list |
| 03:53:30 | W|GGL|T | strange |
| 03:54:39 | sig | kergoth what do i edit so that it does prompt me? |
| 03:55:35 | W|GGL|T | i'd love to keep playing with libranet...i just need XP moreso (its a dualboot machine) |
| 03:55:58 | sig | hmm. brb |
| 03:56:51 | W|GGL|T | you guys see this: http://www.infosync.no/news/newsbits/show.php?id=2021 |
| 03:57:12 | warmi | yeah |
| 03:57:13 | warmi | cool |
| 03:57:23 | warmi | at least we know they are going to stick with it for a while |
| 03:58:14 | W|GGL|T | that's nice to see |
| 03:58:25 | W|GGL|T | i was a bit worried, to tell the truth |
| 03:58:39 | warmi | I say XScale 400 MHZ + 128 MB RAM .. |
| 03:58:43 | Cloudchaser | well.. another platform though |
| 03:58:45 | warmi | that would be a good match |
| 03:58:46 | warmi | :-) |
| 03:58:57 | Cloudchaser | won't be too compatible to the 5500 will it? |
| 03:59:11 | warmi | they surely can make it compatible |
| 03:59:13 | W|GGL|T | yeah, all that means is i'll desire the 400mhz instead of the current one |
| 03:59:13 | W|GGL|T | heh |
| 03:59:15 | Cloudchaser | and will they drop support/updates/enhancements for the 5500? |
| 03:59:22 | warmi | XScale can run older ARM code |
| 03:59:32 | Cloudchaser | hehe i am going to have to start saving now i guess |
| 03:59:37 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 03:59:41 | W|GGL|T | good idea |
| 03:59:49 | Cloudchaser | well i saw what happened when hp did the same sort of thing |
| 03:59:52 | warmi | Cloudchaser : well, this will be "enhancement" for the 5500 :-) |
| 03:59:57 | W|GGL|T | my wife may hang me tho |
| 04:00:07 | Cloudchaser | what will warmi? |
| 04:00:11 | treke|home | at least you'll die happy |
| 04:00:13 | warmi | this new model |
| 04:00:14 | warmi | hehe |
| 04:00:30 | Cloudchaser | oh yah but a 500.00 enhancement |
| 04:00:36 | W|GGL|T | lol treke|home |
| 04:00:48 | warmi | I am pretty sure 90% of stuff you have for your 5500 will be usable on that new model ( cf cards etc ..) |
| 04:01:08 | Cloudchaser | oh that's a relief |
| 04:01:13 | Oriu|food | I really would love 400mhz in my holster... only problem, I don't wanna carry batteries for any kind of sustained lifespan |
| 04:01:36 | warmi | they better come up with a new contest or soemthig cause sure like hell I won't be buying $500 PDA any time soon |
| 04:01:37 | Cloudchaser | just strap them up and down your legs |
| 04:01:40 | warmi | :-) |
| 04:01:45 | Oriu|food | heh |
| 04:01:49 | Oriu|food | I gotta sit on something |
| 04:02:30 | Oriumpor | that... and 400mhz is great and all... but ... what do you really need it for other than divx and quake? |
| 04:02:49 | treke|home | and it probably wont help much with divx and quake :) |
| 04:02:50 | W|GGL|T | true |
| 04:03:01 | Oriumpor | not a ton anyways |
| 04:03:01 | warmi | Oriumpor :true .. . I would rather have more memory |
| 04:03:16 | Cloudchaser | i don't need it.. i just don't want development to shift away from the 5500 :) |
| 04:03:27 | Cloudchaser | least not right away |
| 04:03:32 | treke|home | Cloudchaser: This is why you should use openzaurus and open source apps :) |
| 04:03:37 | W|GGL|T | i don't need it either...i just like geek toys :o) |
| 04:03:38 | Cloudchaser | oh i will |
| 04:03:44 | Cloudchaser | hehe me too! |
| 04:03:53 | Oriumpor | I'd prolly buy it whether or not I need it... just for geek factor |
| 04:03:58 | Cloudchaser | soon as kergoth gives the green light i'll give it a whirl |
| 04:04:06 | warmi | heheh |
| 04:04:24 | Cloudchaser | the "ok cloud you newb...its ready for joe user" green light |
| 04:04:44 | Oriumpor | :P |
| 04:04:45 | treke|home | if the new zaurus is a similar formfactor to the a300, it might be tempting |
| 04:04:50 | warmi | who knows what trolls are cooking |
| 04:04:52 | Oriumpor | a300? |
| 04:04:56 | Cloudchaser | oh trekke not for me! |
| 04:05:02 | Cloudchaser | i like the z much better! |
| 04:05:05 | Cloudchaser | the keyboard |
| 04:05:07 | warmi | I know they are working on some new APIs etc ... this stuff will have to be incorporated into OPIE |
| 04:05:08 | W|GGL|T | it would need a hardware keyboard |
| 04:05:14 | treke|home | a3--. the japanese zaurus |
| 04:05:33 | warmi | but you guys don't realize how really small a3 is ! |
| 04:05:43 | Cloudchaser | aw hell i'm nearly blind as it is! |
| 04:05:43 | warmi | I mean this thing is tiny |
| 04:05:50 | treke|home | warmi: and that's a bad thing? :) |
| 04:05:53 | Cloudchaser | if it gets any smaller i'd need binoculars! |
| 04:05:56 | warmi | no, that is a good thing |
| 04:06:04 | Oriumpor | that's a really bad thing |
| 04:06:06 | heath | Where on the zaurus do you associate a file type with an application? |
| 04:06:17 | treke|home | heath: /etc/mime.types i think |
| 04:06:27 | warmi | heath : I don't thing there is a gui tool for that |
| 04:06:33 | Oriumpor | really really bad thing |
| 04:06:33 | heath | mime.types has the mimetype then an extension |
| 04:06:46 | Oriumpor | It's gotta last like 10 minutes on batteries using it's full potential |
| 04:06:50 | heath | I don't know how that maps to an application |
| 04:06:52 | warmi | in fact, last night when I was working on this subnet calc I could not figure out how to save files with .desktop extension |
| 04:07:14 | treke|home | warmi: Did you look at the DocLnk stuff? |
| 04:07:15 | warmi | right now I am just saving them as a .txt file in ~ dir |
| 04:07:25 | warmi | yeah but it didn't make any sense to me |
| 04:07:51 | warmi | I look at their filerequester widget which is basically QListView + some stuff |
| 04:08:01 | warmi | Qtopia is crappy documented in this regard |
| 04:08:11 | treke|home | lemme look |
| 04:08:21 | treke|home | the qtopia part of the docs are less than thrilling :) |
| 04:08:27 | treke|home | the qt side is nice though |
| 04:08:35 | warmi | well, some of this is OK but file saving part is wanting |
| 04:08:46 | warmi | qt has the best docs I have ever seen |
| 04:09:39 | warmi | I was looking for the source code for screenshot app which does save files with .desktop extenstion but I couldn't find it anywhere |
| 04:09:44 | Oriumpor | wow |
| 04:09:49 | Oriumpor | pretty |
| 04:10:01 | treke|home | warmi: It looks like you want to create a new DocLnk object with the path of your datafile |
| 04:10:13 | Oriumpor | doh |
| 04:10:35 | warmi | this is what I thought but I wasn't sure and it was late so I just said f*** it .. I will save my files the old way :-) |
| 04:10:47 | Oriumpor | http://www.nikkeibp.asiabiztech.com/image2/SL-A300_setu.jpg |
| 04:10:51 | warmi | in any case, IP subnet calc is not an app for an average Joe |
| 04:11:05 | treke|home | so something like DocLnk * d = new DocLnk (filename); |
| 04:11:14 | Oriumpor | you didn't meat any of the people in the CCNA class I took for 2 days |
| 04:11:17 | Oriumpor | meet even |
| 04:11:19 | Cloudchaser | warmi: it's for me! |
| 04:11:21 | Cloudchaser | ;) |
| 04:11:27 | warmi | hehe |
| 04:11:40 | warmi | Cloudchaser : you are not average.. you know a lot about Linux |
| 04:11:44 | treke|home | then use the AppLnk::set* methods to specify the mimetype and other stuff |
| 04:11:48 | Oriumpor | there's no slot for keyboard |
| 04:11:54 | Oriumpor | on the al |
| 04:12:00 | treke|home | then AppLnk::writeLink(); |
| 04:12:01 | Oriumpor | er a300 |
| 04:12:05 | warmi | treke : yeah, I will look into it |
| 04:12:19 | treke|home | at least if I'm reading the docs right :) |
| 04:12:22 | warmi | but I wish they had some small example like they have for qt side of their API |
| 04:12:56 | Oriumpor | the whole case is flush |
| 04:12:57 | treke|home | actually, in this caase it looks like they do |
| 04:13:10 | W|GGL|T | hi gibberishlife |
| 04:13:12 | Oriumpor | no place for a keyboard |
| 04:13:18 | warmi | Oriumpor : if somebody is trying to learn how to set up and run Cisco routes , they can figure out how to find a text file on a filesystem |
| 04:13:24 | treke|home | file:///opt/Qtopia/doc/qtopia/applnk.html#writeLink |
| 04:13:46 | JasonNJ-home | man what a weird evening |
| 04:14:08 | Oriumpor | Oriumpor: for some reason cisco in their infinite genious requires you understand subnet structure, before actually understanding anything else. |
| 04:14:13 | Oriumpor | yeah |
| 04:14:15 | warmi | "Commits the AppLnk to disk. Returns whether the operation succeeded. " yeah, that must be it treke |
| 04:14:15 | Oriumpor | I just ... |
| 04:14:18 | Oriumpor | man I'm off tonight |
| 04:14:39 | Oriumpor | in their course layouts anyways |
| 04:14:41 | W|GGL|T | hi br33zy |
| 04:14:45 | br33zy | hi |
| 04:14:55 | warmi | JasonNJ : yeah .. I would say so myself (after watching Man In Black 2 that is ) |
| 04:14:57 | warmi | hehhe |
| 04:15:05 | JasonNJ-home | mib 2 was okay |
| 04:15:06 | Oriumpor | blah |
| 04:15:12 | Oriumpor | I'm gonna go do something that doesn't require thinking |
| 04:15:15 | JasonNJ-home | I wanna see minority report tomorrow |
| 04:15:27 | JasonNJ-home | I met the ex CEO of Worldcom today |
| 04:15:38 | warmi | hehehe |
| 04:15:52 | warmi | the dude who borroed 400 Mil for next to nothig ? |
| 04:16:00 | warmi | borrowed even |
| 04:16:03 | JasonNJ-home | Bernard Ebbers yes |
| 04:16:10 | JasonNJ-home | at a vietnamese restaurant in jersey |
| 04:16:35 | warmi | well, he might end up going to jail .. either him or someone else .. they want blood |
| 04:17:00 | Cloudchaser | hehe hiya JasonNJ |
| 04:17:06 | Cloudchaser | sounds interesting |
| 04:17:10 | warmi | JasonNJ : this is what you were talking about ? - http://www.infosync.no/news/newsbits/show.php?id=2021 |
| 04:17:11 | JasonNJ-home | what I wanna kniw is, how do you misplace 3.8 billion dollars |
| 04:17:11 | Cloudchaser | did he ask you for a job? |
| 04:17:14 | warmi | ( Zaurus related) |
| 04:17:40 | JasonNJ-home | warmi: there is a xscale 400 zaurus, yes |
| 04:17:46 | Cloudchaser | cries |
| 04:17:49 | JasonNJ-home | I have the blueprints of it |
| 04:18:04 | Cloudchaser | starts saving her pennies |
| 04:18:04 | warmi | the big question is ... |
| 04:18:05 | JasonNJ-home | and I am supposed to get a preproduction sample shortly |
| 04:18:17 | warmi | is it going to be binary compatible with 5500 |
| 04:18:18 | JasonNJ-home | I'm currently working on the software requirements for it with ben |
| 04:18:22 | JasonNJ-home | yes |
| 04:18:28 | JasonNJ-home | of course |
| 04:18:31 | warmi | good |
| 04:18:57 | Cloudchaser | and improvements and support for the 5500 will continue? |
| 04:18:57 | warmi | software reqs .. as in deciding which Qtopia apps go in etc ? |
| 04:18:57 | JasonNJ-home | not likely to come out until october though |
| 04:19:14 | JasonNJ-home | 5500 support will continue |
| 04:19:20 | Cloudchaser | ;) thank you |
| 04:19:20 | W|GGL|T | GREAT! |
| 04:19:49 | W|GGL|T | but they pay you to say that, prolly :o) |
| 04:19:50 | JasonNJ-home | although it may be under the guise of a official support for openzaurus for older units |
| 04:20:01 | JasonNJ-home | it may be difficult for us to continually rev roms for older units |
| 04:20:12 | warmi | Cloudchaser : what kind of support do you really need ? |
| 04:20:22 | warmi | beyond warranty they don't offer a lot anyway |
| 04:20:25 | treke|home | JasonNJ-home: just keep releasing source and let openzaurus handle the rest :) |
| 04:20:44 | JasonNJ-home | treke: my intention is that by the end of this summer, all Zaurus source will be released. |
| 04:20:49 | W|GGL|T | well, its nice to know that the company stands behind a $500 product...not long after it's been released |
| 04:20:57 | JasonNJ-home | with the exception of opera, java and hancom |
| 04:20:57 | W|GGL|T | comfort factor |
| 04:20:58 | warmi | W|GGL|T hehehe |
| 04:21:04 | treke|home | very nifty |
| 04:21:11 | Cloudchaser | there's a few things i'd like to see warmi |
| 04:21:24 | warmi | treke are you working on Opie ? |
| 04:21:27 | Cloudchaser | synching that works well, some of the features on the a300 are nice |
| 04:21:46 | treke|home | warmi: I occaisionally poke about the source, I dont do anything officiall though |
| 04:21:54 | treke|home | although I need to send in these vnc patches |
| 04:21:55 | JasonNJ-home | the problem with official support for the 5000 and 5500 going forward is the lack of rom space |
| 04:21:57 | warmi | Cloudchaser : that is true ... I forgot about software end of things like new ROMs etc |
| 04:22:05 | Cloudchaser | nods |
| 04:22:09 | Oriu|away | thank you again... |
| 04:22:11 | W|GGL|T | damn |
| 04:22:14 | warmi | JasonNJ : so 16 turned out to be too small |
| 04:22:16 | Oriu|away | treke: vnc +++ |
| 04:22:16 | JasonNJ-home | so as we continue to fold improvements into new Z's, they are likely to need more ROM area |
| 04:22:16 | warmi | hehe |
| 04:22:40 | treke|home | pester pce to do rom upgrades on the 5500 :) |
| 04:22:43 | JasonNJ-home | openzaurus addresses this issue nicely because you can incrementally install stuff into rom and ram and SD |
| 04:22:57 | warmi | yeah, if you for example want to have two diferent qte libs to support older apps then sure, you will need more ROM |
| 04:23:06 | W|GGL|T | re gibberishlife |
| 04:23:08 | icefox | hi everyone |
| 04:23:10 | JasonNJ-home | so obviosuly, the more we release, the more kergoth and the opie team can implement into OSS. |
| 04:23:13 | icefox | anything fun new? |
| 04:23:15 | treke|home | JasonNJ-home: any idea if the new rom is going to be qt3 based? |
| 04:23:20 | icefox | no |
| 04:23:21 | treke|home | er new zaurus |
| 04:23:22 | icefox | it isn't |
| 04:23:24 | JasonNJ-home | the one coming out on monday? |
| 04:23:31 | W|GGL|T | LOL |
| 04:23:34 | warmi | hehehe |
| 04:23:36 | JasonNJ-home | icefox: heya. |
| 04:23:41 | treke|home | no. The new zaurus coming out in the undetermined future :) |
| 04:23:42 | icefox | hi there Jason |
| 04:23:53 | JasonNJ-home | treke: I am going to say probably no |
| 04:24:10 | JasonNJ-home | not until Trolltech tells us its ready |
| 04:24:17 | Oriu|away | the SL-A300 is gonna be released in the US? |
| 04:24:27 | JasonNJ-home | icefox: what did you and jen do today |
| 04:24:36 | JasonNJ-home | wanna see Minority Report tommorrow AM |
| 04:24:38 | icefox | I rebuilt my computer |
| 04:24:43 | icefox | ditched Debian |
| 04:24:45 | icefox | just wasn't working |
| 04:24:47 | icefox | too many issues |
| 04:24:52 | JasonNJ-home | YOU ditched debian? |
| 04:24:52 | warmi | icefox : yeah, good idea |
| 04:24:54 | icefox | so I am using red hat 7.3 now |
| 04:24:56 | icefox | :-( |
| 04:24:58 | JasonNJ-home | oh my god |
| 04:25:05 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
| 04:25:06 | treke|home | warmi: hush troll |
| 04:25:10 | W|GGL|T | libranet works good for me (derivative of debian) |
| 04:25:11 | icefox | just too many issues going to X4 |
| 04:25:15 | jmhodges | argh.. |
| 04:25:24 | warmi | as Dr-Evl would say .. Debian beatniks !!! |
| 04:25:25 | JasonNJ-home | ice: what kind of hardware is your new pc |
| 04:25:29 | Oriu|away | debian isn't crap... just... redhat is so much faster to install :P |
| 04:25:32 | jmhodges | i think my ppp0 and my usb0 are not liking to send data back and forth |
| 04:25:33 | icefox | still my old pc |
| 04:25:39 | W|GGL|T | Oriu|away: LOL |
| 04:25:40 | icefox | found a 10GB drive I could put it on |
| 04:25:44 | jmhodges | keep getting my d/ls stopped |
| 04:25:52 | treke|home | Oriu|away: The first time :) |
| 04:26:17 | warmi | treke|home RH works fine ... I have been running it since 1997 or so |
| 04:26:20 | icefox | JasonNJ-home: what time would you like to see MR? |
| 04:26:21 | Oriu|away | yeah... you gotta do it like 6 times... but all I gotta do is click a couple buttons and pop in the cd and let it f@#!-up my computer |
| 04:26:35 | JasonNJ-home | I think the matinees end at noon |
| 04:26:58 | Oriu|away | just a case of beer and start at about 5 o'clock... and you should have a good setup by the time you gotta go to bed |
| 04:27:00 | warmi | Oriu|away : do they still use that nighmarish dselect during install ? |
| 04:27:01 | treke|home | keeps a list of all the apps he wants onhand for installing onto new machines :) |
| 04:27:03 | icefox | I thought they ended at 5pm |
| 04:27:06 | warmi | god, that thing was awful |
| 04:27:06 | Oriu|away | warmi: yes |
| 04:27:08 | JasonNJ-home | no not on the weekends |
| 04:27:21 | treke|home | I've yet to need to use dselect |
| 04:27:23 | JasonNJ-home | and I want to see it in edgewater if we can |
| 04:27:31 | JasonNJ-home | bigger seats |
| 04:27:34 | treke|home | tried it a couple times and it was horrid |
| 04:28:08 | warmi | treke Debian is horrid ....:-) altough I do use some of their ARM compiled binaries on my Z |
| 04:28:10 | Oriu|away | I just start with custom, uncheck all the boxes (if someone forces me to install RH) and select the packages one by one |
| 04:28:10 | W|GGL|T | doesn't remember using dselect when installing, but then again, he isn't using full-on debian |
| 04:28:32 | warmi | W|GGL|T : I thought there was only one Debian |
| 04:28:38 | W|GGL|T | no |
| 04:28:41 | Oriu|away | tons |
| 04:28:51 | W|GGL|T | libranet |
| 04:28:57 | icefox | eh noon is too early |
| 04:29:02 | icefox | want to sleep in |
| 04:29:05 | Oriu|away | icefox: to wake up? |
| 04:29:06 | Oriu|away | jeeze |
| 04:29:10 | W|GGL|T | libranet is the only commercial debian now |
| 04:29:10 | icefox | was up early this morning and late last night |
| 04:29:17 | JasonNJ-home | icefox: well, then we'll pay full price then, no biggie |
| 04:29:22 | treke|home | There can be only one |
| 04:29:22 | warmi | I decided not to touch anything debian after they went on that infamous anti-KDE crusade |
| 04:29:25 | warmi | bunch of commies |
| 04:29:28 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 04:29:40 | JasonNJ-home | icefox leaving debian though is serious though |
| 04:29:41 | icefox | eh debian is just too slow for me |
| 04:29:46 | JasonNJ-home | icefox is hardcore |
| 04:29:46 | icefox | yah pain in the ass |
| 04:29:50 | icefox | already miss it |
| 04:29:54 | treke|home | redhats almost as commie as debian :) |
| 04:30:01 | Oriu|away | redhat is pretty bad |
| 04:30:07 | JasonNJ-home | I used to like mandrake a lot |
| 04:30:07 | icefox | missis apt-get |
| 04:30:13 | W|GGL|T | lol...i was gonna bag on RH earlier |
| 04:30:14 | Oriu|away | Obsd rocks... but no support for like half my hardware :( |
| 04:30:14 | JasonNJ-home | until their distros started blowing up in my face |
| 04:30:21 | JasonNJ-home | suse is nice but its so... GERMAN |
| 04:30:38 | treke|home | lassed I checked, redhat will only ship open source software with the exception of netscape |
| 04:30:38 | W|GGL|T | and so bloated |
| 04:30:47 | treke|home | and even that is deprecated |
| 04:30:51 | JasonNJ-home | yeah but suse comes with everything |
| 04:31:15 | warmi | Suse will be part of this new UNited Linux |
| 04:31:19 | warmi | I will give it a shot |
| 04:31:22 | W|GGL|T | recently ditched suse...used suse since 6.3 |
| 04:31:24 | JasonNJ-home | and by far it has the best kde implementation from what I understand |
| 04:31:40 | JasonNJ-home | I dunno I use redhat |
| 04:31:42 | Oriu|away | suse>kde? |
| 04:31:48 | Oriu|away | er |
| 04:31:51 | Oriu|away | yeah |
| 04:31:53 | Oriu|away | suse-kde |
| 04:31:54 | warmi | Oriu|away : they always been KDE based |
| 04:32:01 | Oriu|away | hmm |
| 04:32:06 | Oriu|away | never played w/it |
| 04:32:08 | warmi | frankly, only RH and Debian use Gnome |
| 04:32:13 | warmi | by default |
| 04:32:17 | W|GGL|T | didn't suse sprout off of slackware a LONG time ago? |
| 04:32:18 | icefox | bla enough comp for today |
| 04:32:18 | JasonNJ-home | they are the distro of choice of the kde devs |
| 04:32:21 | icefox | back toamrrow |
| 04:32:21 | W|GGL|T | thought i read that somewhere |
| 04:32:22 | treke|home | debian doesnt use gnome by default |
| 04:32:26 | treke|home | it uses twm |
| 04:32:35 | warmi | treke|home God .. twm |
| 04:32:40 | W|GGL|T | twm = yek |
| 04:32:41 | Oriu|away | Ximian rocks but ... otherwise : / |
| 04:32:43 | warmi | that's even worse than Gnome |
| 04:32:54 | JasonNJ-home | icefox has to sign off and have sex with his wife |
| 04:33:00 | Oriu|away | yes... |
| 04:33:02 | JasonNJ-home | newlyweds, they have to do it 3 times a day at least |
| 04:33:03 | Oriu|away | good reason to sign off |
| 04:33:04 | kergoth | damn good reason to sign off |
| 04:33:07 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 04:33:09 | kergoth | Oriu|away: yeah, that |
| 04:33:09 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:33:12 | kergoth | hey jason |
| 04:33:16 | W|GGL|T | why the hell did he sign ON then??? |
| 04:33:17 | JasonNJ-home | hi kerg |
| 04:33:18 | rikkus | hi |
| 04:33:21 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
| 04:33:27 | kergoth | hey rikkus |
| 04:33:27 | JasonNJ-home | maybe he just finished |
| 04:33:28 | Oriu|away | W|GGL|T: keep her waiting |
| 04:33:30 | W|GGL|T | LOL! |
| 04:33:33 | JasonNJ-home | and now he has to go back and do it again |
| 04:33:48 | W|GGL|T | cant stop laughing now |
| 04:34:08 | JasonNJ-home | dude the first 6 months I was doing it at least 3 times a day |
| 04:34:15 | warmi | hehehe |
| 04:34:22 | warmi | even sex can get old |
| 04:34:24 | W|GGL|T | wait until you hit 7 yrs |
| 04:34:27 | warmi | or can it ? |
| 04:34:34 | JasonNJ-home | yeah I am at 7yrs |
| 04:34:35 | rikkus | q: how does a user invoke the help for an application ? |
| 04:34:43 | rikkus | is there a 'help' button on the Z ? |
| 04:35:07 | warmi | question mark on caption |
| 04:35:07 | W|GGL|T | "?" usually means 'help', i thought |
| 04:35:10 | warmi | or something like that |
| 04:35:13 | Oriumpor | anyone here use the yopy? |
| 04:35:19 | rikkus | caption? |
| 04:35:26 | rikkus | ah! |
| 04:35:34 | rikkus | found it, thanks :) |
| 04:35:39 | JasonNJ-home | Orimpor: I had one for a few days. |
| 04:35:45 | rikkus | can write his help file now that he can see it :} |
| 04:35:54 | Oriumpor | JasonNJ-home: Impressions? |
| 04:35:59 | JasonNJ-home | I think OPIE can run on it now |
| 04:36:04 | warmi | I understand Yopy does not have frront or back light which makes it hardly usable |
| 04:36:04 | JasonNJ-home | ori: no backlight |
| 04:36:07 | Oriumpor | EEP |
| 04:36:17 | JasonNJ-home | thats a major negative |
| 04:36:21 | JasonNJ-home | the keyboard is weird |
| 04:36:23 | warmi | they are dead, aren't they ? |
| 04:36:28 | JasonNJ-home | awkward form factor |
| 04:36:29 | W|GGL|T | they could sell it with a penlight |
| 04:36:30 | Oriumpor | not on ebay |
| 04:36:42 | Oriumpor | and I might be able to make a backlight |
| 04:36:46 | Oriumpor | shave a white LED |
| 04:36:50 | Oriumpor | w/a razor |
| 04:36:54 | Oriumpor | I did it for my jornada |
| 04:37:11 | warmi | Oriumpor just get yourself a nice new shiny Zaurus |
| 04:37:18 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
| 04:37:23 | W|GGL|T | pda with no backlight = major pain |
| 04:37:30 | JasonNJ-home | 5500 is like 380 in like some net stores now |
| 04:37:31 | W|GGL|T | my agenda's backlight is broken |
| 04:37:37 | Oriumpor | yeah |
| 04:37:38 | Oriumpor | I know |
| 04:37:43 | W|GGL|T | saw that too |
| 04:37:54 | Oriumpor | I should prolly ditch the jornada... but I don't really wanna buy CDPD for the Z : / |
| 04:38:07 | Cloudchaser | which jornada? |
| 04:38:13 | Oriumpor | 540 |
| 04:38:14 | warmi | can jornada run Linux ? |
| 04:38:20 | JasonNJ-home | I had a 545 |
| 04:38:24 | Cloudchaser | i'd like linux on a 720 |
| 04:38:28 | Oriumpor | well it's a 548 |
| 04:38:34 | Oriumpor | but the #'s are wierd on that series |
| 04:38:38 | JasonNJ-home | I just bought a toshiba e740 |
| 04:38:42 | JasonNJ-home | working on getting linux on it |
| 04:38:46 | Oriumpor | and they all have SH3's... and... yeah |
| 04:38:52 | Cloudchaser | neat that the clamshell one? |
| 04:38:55 | JasonNJ-home | apparently the toshiba guys already run it on linux interally |
| 04:39:01 | W|GGL|T | wow |
| 04:39:03 | JasonNJ-home | e740 is the pocketpc with 802.11 |
| 04:39:03 | Cloudchaser | wow |
| 04:39:09 | Cloudchaser | oh |
| 04:39:10 | W|GGL|T | that's why i like toshiba :o) |
| 04:39:20 | JasonNJ-home | xscale |
| 04:39:20 | Oriumpor | Toshiba are awesome... but not cheap |
| 04:39:21 | Cloudchaser | i like the clamshell one |
| 04:39:29 | Cloudchaser | not so much scrolling horizontally ;) |
| 04:39:42 | JasonNJ-home | I bought it so we could take it apart and examine it |
| 04:39:51 | JasonNJ-home | expense account :) |
| 04:39:54 | Cloudchaser | haha |
| 04:40:06 | Cloudchaser | hey will the next z have 802.11 built in? |
| 04:40:11 | JasonNJ-home | well |
| 04:40:12 | treke|home | hehe, got to keep tabs on the competition :) |
| 04:40:12 | W|GGL|T | lol...was gonna say |
| 04:40:14 | JasonNJ-home | we are debating it |
| 04:40:24 | JasonNJ-home | problem is, we dont want to kill the battery |
| 04:40:28 | JasonNJ-home | probably not for the next one. |
| 04:40:28 | Oriumpor | Hell |
| 04:40:44 | Cloudchaser | there' got to be a way to get an all day battery! |
| 04:40:44 | Oriumpor | you put an LCD on a MB and you've already screwed yourself on battery life... who cares what else there is |
| 04:40:46 | JasonNJ-home | what we are working on is putting in an integrated bluetooth/802.11g |
| 04:40:48 | Cloudchaser | its 2002! |
| 04:41:01 | JasonNJ-home | but it wont be for the immediate next model |
| 04:41:11 | JasonNJ-home | there are some low power combo chips that we are evaluating |
| 04:41:22 | Cloudchaser | ah good maybe my piggy bank will be full for 3rd generation z |
| 04:41:43 | JasonNJ-home | the immediate next model is really an evolution not a revolution |
| 04:41:45 | Cloudchaser | actually i have an old zaurus in my basement somewhere |
| 04:41:53 | Oriumpor | the calc? |
| 04:42:42 | Cloudchaser | its a zr 3000 |
| 04:43:50 | JasonNJ-home | alrighty dudes its late |
| 04:43:53 | JasonNJ-home | see you guys later |
| 04:44:00 | Cloudchaser | g'night jason |
| 04:44:38 | treke|home | hmmm, anyone tried putting the mysql client libraries on a zaurus? |
| 04:45:01 | Oriumpor | aanope |
| 04:45:42 | Oriumpor | what's the reason? |
| 04:46:55 | treke|home | thinking of trying to rewrite a php app in qt/c++ for using it on the Z |
| 04:47:05 | Oriumpor | eep |
| 04:47:31 | treke|home | not a horibly complex one |
| 04:52:01 | Oriumpor | heh... the yopy looks like it would be awesome with snes |
| 04:52:04 | Oriumpor | :P |
| 04:56:57 | treke|home | hmm, I wonder if dgen would work on the z |
| 04:56:58 | MacFlecknoe | anyone use kisbit? |
| 04:57:50 | Cloudchaser | do you mean kismet? |
| 04:58:23 | MacFlecknoe | yes sorry |
| 04:58:55 | Cloudchaser | i use it |
| 04:59:09 | MacFlecknoe | i have a gneeral question... if my wireless card istn configfure for my network kismet fails... this isnt normal right? it shouldnt BE configured for a network in promiscuous mode right? |
| 05:00:13 | Cloudchaser | well i'm not the most experienced person here |
| 05:00:15 | Cloudchaser | but |
| 05:01:51 | Cloudchaser | i think when you run prism2_monitor |
| 05:01:55 | Cloudchaser | then run kismet |
| 05:02:18 | Cloudchaser | it should work |
| 05:02:27 | Cloudchaser | the qt kismet is a bit wierd |
| 05:02:37 | Cloudchaser | i have to play with it to get it to work |
| 05:03:04 | Cloudchaser | that one shouldn't be set up for your network |
| 05:03:12 | MacFlecknoe | tell me this Cloudchaser: it does I THINK... as it picks up my network right away... but im wondering if thats simply because i have the card configured for my network... have you been able to pickup external networks? |
| 05:03:13 | Cloudchaser | have to change your setting on that one |
| 05:03:26 | Cloudchaser | yes i have |
| 05:03:38 | Cloudchaser | but i've only tried a few times |
| 05:03:41 | MacFlecknoe | im not using qt-kismet... i dont know what the hell is going on with that |
| 05:03:52 | MacFlecknoe | command line is fine |
| 05:03:55 | Cloudchaser | hehe yeah its wierd, i can't get it to work unless i run it |
| 05:04:12 | Cloudchaser | go to my network setting and change it to static ip without putting an address in |
| 05:04:29 | MacFlecknoe | ok... than try running kismet? |
| 05:04:32 | Cloudchaser | or any kind of change will work just so the z tries to redetect the card |
| 05:04:35 | MacFlecknoe | why would that work? |
| 05:04:41 | Cloudchaser | dunno |
| 05:04:45 | Cloudchaser | but its not reliable |
| 05:04:51 | Cloudchaser | obviously at home you know you have wireless |
| 05:04:57 | MacFlecknoe | ah perhaps THATS why... if you dont coinfigure the card it unloads the driver module! |
| 05:05:16 | Cloudchaser | when' you're out and about if you get nothing you don't knojw if its working or not |
| 05:05:31 | Cloudchaser | so at command line you run prism2_monitor |
| 05:05:34 | Cloudchaser | then run kismet |
| 05:05:36 | MacFlecknoe | Cloudchaser: thats just it im not getting anything |
| 05:05:47 | MacFlecknoe | so i cant verify its working |
| 05:05:54 | MacFlecknoe | i took it into like 3 large stroes too... |
| 05:06:00 | MacFlecknoe | just to try to get SOMEthing |
| 05:06:02 | W|GGL|T | brb...on my libranet machine... |
| 05:06:36 | MacFlecknoe | theres no starbucks here to test it for certain :( |
| 05:06:39 | Cloudchaser | you run prism2_ monitor? |
| 05:06:48 | MacFlecknoe | prism2_hopper |
| 05:06:52 | MacFlecknoe | same diff |
| 05:07:16 | Cloudchaser | ah i do the monitor.. like i said i'm not the most experienced with it |
| 05:07:27 | MacFlecknoe | hopper scans all channels |
| 05:07:40 | MacFlecknoe | monitor sticks to 6 |
| 05:07:58 | Cloudchaser | hehe see! you know more than i do! |
| 05:08:19 | MacFlecknoe | well ive been thru the manuals a few times (which suck! BTW) |
| 05:09:02 | Cloudchaser | ok i tried at a couple places i knew there was wireless |
| 05:09:09 | Cloudchaser | and did get some networks |
| 05:09:32 | Cloudchaser | and there were times i thought i had a signal and didn't pick anything up at all |
| 05:09:43 | Cloudchaser | whardier would be a good one to ask |
| 05:10:03 | MacFlecknoe | k |
| 05:10:16 | Cloudchaser | how do you shut the hopper off? |
| 05:10:17 | MacFlecknoe | you prolly wouldve picked them up in hopper mode |
| 05:10:21 | MacFlecknoe | kill it |
| 05:10:27 | Cloudchaser | oki |
| 05:11:29 | Cloudchaser | cool next time i'll try the hopper ;) |
| 05:11:52 | Cloudchaser | what card do you have? |
| 05:13:07 | Cloudchaser | treke: you still here? |
| 05:13:37 | MacFlecknoe | i have the D-Link card |
| 05:13:45 | Cloudchaser | me too |
| 05:14:01 | MacFlecknoe | i love being able to ssh into my pda :) |
| 05:14:06 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
| 05:14:10 | Cloudchaser | did you try samba? |
| 05:14:10 | MacFlecknoe | just got this Friday |
| 05:14:17 | Cloudchaser | or vnc? |
| 05:14:21 | MacFlecknoe | samba client... i dont want to serve off it |
| 05:14:45 | Cloudchaser | ah its awesome though, |
| 05:15:03 | MacFlecknoe | does rc.local even get parsed on boot? |
| 05:15:09 | MacFlecknoe | i cant change hostanem thru it |
| 05:15:49 | Cloudchaser | mine seems to stay through reboot |
| 05:16:03 | MacFlecknoe | you configured it via rc.localhost? |
| 05:16:11 | MacFlecknoe | er rc.local?" |
| 05:16:25 | Cloudchaser | one sec and i'll tell you what i edited |
| 05:16:31 | MacFlecknoe | wonder if its exewcutable! |
| 05:16:36 | MacFlecknoe | bet i need to change peremissions |
| 05:16:40 | Cloudchaser | its tricky |
| 05:16:42 | Cloudchaser | no |
| 05:17:00 | jmhodges | dammit |
| 05:17:02 | MacFlecknoe | no its rwx |
| 05:17:07 | MacFlecknoe | whates the trick |
| 05:17:26 | jmhodges | ARGH |
| 05:17:32 | jmhodges | stupid stupid stupid opie-update |
| 05:17:45 | jmhodges | dammit.. i dont konw hwat it is but opie refuses to start up |
| 05:17:57 | jmhodges | right after i update my ipkgs. |
| 05:18:13 | Cloudchaser | ok you edit /etc/rc.d/rc.local |
| 05:18:53 | jmhodges | kergoth: buddy ole pal |
| 05:19:10 | MacFlecknoe | yes |
| 05:19:29 | MacFlecknoe | i did that |
| 05:20:57 | Cloudchaser | one sec i think there was something else i had to do |
| 05:21:02 | Cloudchaser | trying to remember |
| 05:21:30 | Cloudchaser | edit /etc/hosts |
| 05:21:41 | Cloudchaser | and something else, i'm looking for |
| 05:23:35 | Cloudchaser | In /etc/rc.d/rc5.d create a sybolic link named S49local to ../rc.local |
| 05:23:35 | Cloudchaser | Now your Zaurus will execute rc.local on boot. |
| 05:23:52 | Cloudchaser | i think that was it |
| 05:25:13 | treke|home | night all. bed time |
| 05:25:16 | Cloudchaser | yeah that was it |
| 05:25:22 | Cloudchaser | night treke! |
| 05:25:31 | Cloudchaser | don't forget to submit vnc changes! |
| 05:25:39 | Cloudchaser | :) |
| 05:26:13 | Cloudchaser | MacFlecknoe: i actually did that when i made swap file |
| 05:26:36 | MacFlecknoe | ah! |
| 05:26:37 | MacFlecknoe | thx! |
| 05:26:38 | Cloudchaser | then when i changed hostname and added it to rc.local, it was already done |
| 05:26:50 | Cloudchaser | so then i added samba start to it too :) |
| 05:27:24 | MacFlecknoe | so it wasnty executing it |
| 05:27:38 | Cloudchaser | nope |
| 05:27:51 | Cloudchaser | i guess because it uses the one in rom |
| 05:27:55 | Cloudchaser | and you can't write to that |
| 05:28:02 | Cloudchaser | you have to link to one you can edit? |
| 05:28:22 | Cloudchaser | benmeyer made a nice how-to on the z boot process |
| 05:28:39 | MacFlecknoe | link? |
| 05:28:40 | Cloudchaser | which explains alot (although i still am trying to figure it out) |
| 05:29:01 | Cloudchaser | http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/the-z-boot_process.shtml |
| 05:29:18 | Cloudchaser | he has really good how-to's |
| 05:29:49 | MacFlecknoe | nice! |
| 05:29:52 | MacFlecknoe | many howtos! |
| 05:29:56 | Cloudchaser | yepperes |
| 05:38:24 | Cloudchaser | did that work for you? |
| 05:40:37 | Fatbum | i draw coolass porn on my z |
| 05:40:54 | W|GGL|T | how mature |
| 05:40:56 | W|GGL|T | heh |
| 05:41:25 | W|GGL|T | you coulda did that on your desktop and saved $500 :o) |
| 05:41:47 | W|GGL|T | or $400 or whatever |
| 05:43:32 | jmhodges | ok what are pims again? |
| 05:44:06 | Fatbum | nigarettes |
| 05:44:08 | Fatbum | er |
| 05:44:09 | Fatbum | cig |
| 05:44:14 | Fatbum | not good speeler |
| 05:44:18 | Fatbum | noaay |
| 05:44:21 | Fatbum | ? |
| 05:44:23 | Fatbum | see |
| 05:44:34 | W|GGL|T | 'n' isnt close to 'c' |
| 05:44:36 | Fatbum | e's look like lil smiley deomns |
| 05:44:42 | Fatbum | im missing a finger |
| 05:44:53 | Fatbum | :-( |
| 05:44:54 | Fatbum | dick |
| 05:44:58 | W|GGL|T | i dont appreciate that type of humor |
| 05:45:00 | Fatbum | i get compliments on my art |
| 05:45:11 | Fatbum | fuck man i lost a finger |
| 05:45:19 | Fatbum | -(= |
| 05:45:25 | Fatbum | -(= |
| 05:45:29 | Fatbum | two hands |
| 05:45:35 | Fatbum | to you man |
| 05:45:51 | W|GGL|T | wonders why this channel's attracting so many assholes |
| 05:45:58 | Fatbum | dude |
| 05:46:01 | rikkus | leaves #13-years-old |
| 05:46:05 | Fatbum | <here long b4 you |
| 05:46:23 | W|GGL|T | so, that makes racial slurs welcome? |
| 05:46:26 | W|GGL|T | prolly not |
| 05:46:30 | Fatbum | i mistyped asshole |
| 05:46:39 | Fatbum | got tha bass on man i am black |
| 05:46:44 | Fatbum | rap kicks ass |
| 05:46:46 | Cloudchaser | please watch your language |
| 05:46:51 | Fatbum | more fuckin reggae please |
| 05:47:03 | Fatbum | whiney bitches all of you jeesus |
| 05:47:09 | W|GGL|T | leave then |
| 05:47:19 | Fatbum | i will when i say fuck god! |
| 05:47:23 | Fatbum | a lot |
| 05:47:27 | Fatbum | i fuckin hate god |
| 05:47:30 | Fatbum | god sucks a lot |
| 05:47:32 | Fatbum | like the song |
| 05:47:35 | Fatbum | whine all you want |
| 05:47:38 | jmhodges | troll leave |
| 05:47:42 | Fatbum | free as country whiny bitch fucks! |
| 05:47:49 | jmhodges | i should say troll, leave |
| 05:47:56 | | Fatbum: i'm not following you... |
| 05:47:56 | Fatbum | ibot: troll |
| 05:47:59 | Fatbum | see :) |
| 05:48:03 | Fatbum | nobody gives a fuck |
| 05:48:07 | W|GGL|T | ok...who's on the oplist in here? |
| 05:48:09 | Fatbum | free ASS country man! |
| 05:49:26 | W|GGL|T | just flushed some dung by way of /ignore |
| 05:50:36 | Cloudchaser | did too |
| 05:50:38 | W|GGL|T | thank goodness |
| 05:51:05 | Cloudchaser | i'l have to remember that /ignore thing ;) |
| 05:51:11 | Cloudchaser | he's been very rude to people in here |
| 05:51:56 | Fatbum | heehee |
| 05:52:39 | Dilbert- | ls |
| 05:52:43 | jmhodges | man i have seriously fucked my z over :) |
| 05:52:47 | jmhodges | Dilbert-: wrong vc |
| 05:52:50 | W|GGL|T | hehe |
| 05:52:51 | Cloudchaser | ack! |
| 05:52:56 | Dilbert- | jmhodges: I know :p |
| 05:52:57 | Cloudchaser | what happened jm? |
| 05:53:11 | jmhodges | i tried to update the "core" apps |
| 05:53:23 | jmhodges | and it was a long involved process that fscked everything |
| 05:53:50 | jmhodges | now the app i just installed that reboots the Z wont work.. it can restart opie though |
| 05:53:58 | jmhodges | im having to install everything by hand |
| 05:54:16 | Cloudchaser | owie |
| 05:54:50 | jmhodges | yeah |
| 05:54:55 | jmhodges | not cool |
| 05:55:10 | MacFlecknoe | can reimage ROM? |
| 05:55:24 | Cloudchaser | yes |
| 05:55:47 | W|GGL|T | hi tansaku_xz |
| 05:56:29 | Cloudchaser | you can update teh sharp rom |
| 05:56:38 | Cloudchaser | or use oz which is in beta |
| 05:56:51 | Cloudchaser | (not recommended for the faint of heart) |
| 05:56:56 | jmhodges | hey nhudson! |
| 05:56:57 | Cloudchaser | like me ;) |
| 05:57:00 | MacFlecknoe | Cloudchaser: does samba server come with a way to mount samba sahres? |
| 05:57:10 | jmhodges | MacFlecknoe: you need sambamount |
| 05:57:14 | jmhodges | thats the client |
| 05:57:28 | Cloudchaser | i use samba server on z |
| 05:57:41 | Cloudchaser | i can mount the z drives on my windows 2000 pc |
| 05:57:43 | MacFlecknoe | jmhodges: i was hoping it came with samba... smbmount isnt very professionally packaged |
| 05:57:45 | Cloudchaser | and also on linux |
| 05:58:06 | Cloudchaser | i haven't tried to mount any drives on my z |
| 05:58:11 | MacFlecknoe | k |
| 05:58:15 | Cloudchaser | haven't had a need to yet |
| 05:58:47 | MacFlecknoe | mount -t smbfs //server/share /mnt/samba will tell you |
| 05:59:02 | MacFlecknoe | assuming /mnt/samba exists |
| 06:01:03 | jmhodges | hey eNNoyeD hows things? |
| 06:01:17 | W|GGL|T | hehehe |
| 06:01:17 | eNNoyeD | jmhodges: they're great thanks ljp's help :) |
| 06:01:36 | eNNoyeD | 'cept my damn cf card keeps going into RO mode cause it keeps getting dirty |
| 06:03:17 | jmhodges | ick |
| 06:05:07 | eNNoyeD | if i format the cf card ext2, can i still access it thru QTdesktop? i mean after all, its just ftpingg to it right? |
| 06:06:38 | jmhodges | dunno |
| 06:07:31 | jmhodges | shit not again |
| 06:07:36 | jmhodges | w.. t.. f.. |
| 06:07:39 | eNNoyeD | can someone help me out; i am trying to move my /home directory to the CF card and then symlink to it. i already created /mnt/cf/home |
| 06:07:53 | jmhodges | what app is ifconfig and all in? |
| 06:08:14 | jmhodges | ifconfig, route, etc |
| 06:15:26 | eNNoyeD | ok i am begining to think its impossible to move /home to the CF. |
| 06:16:21 | | rumour has it feed is a package repository or http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds or http://www.zauruszone.com/feed/ or http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/ for OpenZaurus |
| 06:16:21 | eNNoyeD | ibot feed |
| 06:20:44 | | it has been said that lirc is Linux commercial IR or at http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/ConsumerIR and 2.4.7 module and software is at http://intimate.handhelds.org/disconnect/ or at http://www.lirc.org/ |
| 06:20:44 | eNNoyeD | ibot lirc |
| 06:22:24 | MacFlecknoe | its fine to delete the ipkg files after install right? |
| 06:22:33 | W|GGL|T | yeah |
| 06:24:27 | jmhodges | MacFlecknoe: fyi, when you do a `ipkg instal <some ipkg>` the ipks is immediately deleted |
| 06:24:35 | | i think ipkg is the Itsy Package Management System used by Familiar: http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/iPKG or find the source in the handhelds.org CVS http://cvs.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/familiar/dist/ipkg/ |
| 06:24:35 | eNNoyeD | ibot ipkg |
| 06:24:41 | MacFlecknoe | jmhodges: ok thx.. good to know |
| 06:24:56 | eNNoyeD | wheres the iPKG finder? |
| 06:25:50 | jmhodges | damn.. if i where a Moby cd where would i be.. |
| 06:26:26 | Dilbert- | in a trash can |
| 06:26:36 | jmhodges | Dilbert-: bastard |
| 06:26:45 | Dilbert- | you're welcome :) |
| 06:26:55 | eNNoyeD | in the dumpster ? |
| 06:26:56 | jmhodges | man thats the 2nd cd ive lost in 9 months |
| 06:27:00 | jmhodges | im pissed |
| 06:27:18 | MacFlecknoe | jmhodges: doenst look like they are deleted |
| 06:27:28 | MacFlecknoe | i still see them there |
| 06:28:30 | jmhodges | heh thats when you run ipkg on something thats not downloaded already |
| 06:28:45 | jmhodges | like if you use the gui and install from a feed |
| 06:28:54 | jmhodges | otherwise the ipk does stay right there |
| 06:32:44 | W|GGL|T | is gonna go to bed in a bit....after installing ns6, mozilla 1.0, and taking a smoke |
| 06:33:05 | SirPsycho-home | hey W|GGL|T.. ever get dhcpd server workin on your linux? |
| 06:33:16 | W|GGL|T | got his LinuxFORMAT today |
| 06:33:38 | jmhodges | whats that W|GGL|T? |
| 06:33:43 | W|GGL|T | haven't tried yet....what i was working on last night was moving my Z to a different subnet |
| 06:33:49 | W|GGL|T | jmhodges: UK linux mag |
| 06:34:07 | jmhodges | yeah just googled it:P |
| 06:34:21 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 06:35:42 | W|GGL|T | its a really thick monthly mag and usually comes with 2 cds/1 dvd of linux software |
| 06:35:48 | W|GGL|T | expensive as hell tho |
| 06:35:56 | W|GGL|T | like around $13 |
| 06:37:04 | jmhodges | whoa |
| 06:37:11 | MacFlecknoe | kismet is pacakge hald fucked too |
| 06:37:15 | MacFlecknoe | er half |
| 06:39:00 | MacFlecknoe | there is alot of things that are configured sloppy as hell on this thing :P |
| 06:42:11 | MacFlecknoe | jmhodges: what do you mean "thats when you run ipkg on something thats not downloaded already"? |
| 06:42:38 | jmhodges | MacFlecknoe: you can install straight from a feed |
| 06:42:49 | jmhodges | havent you seen the gui package manager? |
| 06:42:53 | MacFlecknoe | can you gimme an example |
| 06:42:56 | jmhodges | you see those plain red boxes? |
| 06:42:57 | MacFlecknoe | of how |
| 06:42:59 | jmhodges | well.. |
| 06:43:08 | jmhodges | in the gui you click on one of those |
| 06:43:10 | jmhodges | in ipkg |
| 06:43:43 | jmhodges | you look in `ipkg list` for somethign you dont have installed or downloaded and just hit `ipkg install <thatipkg> |
| 06:44:22 | MacFlecknoe | what plain red boxes jmhodges? |
| 06:44:42 | jmhodges | in the Package Manager? |
| 06:45:06 | MacFlecknoe | you mean "Install packages via networks?" |
| 06:45:33 | jmhodges | yes |
| 06:46:06 | MacFlecknoe | ok... so i do that... are there repositories i search? |
| 06:46:20 | jmhodges | there are things called feeds |
| 06:46:31 | sig | howdy fellas |
| 06:46:33 | jmhodges | they are basically servers with a dir full of ipks |
| 06:46:44 | MacFlecknoe | how do i input a "feed"? |
| 06:46:51 | MacFlecknoe | this sounds like apt-get |
| 06:46:58 | jmhodges | there are a few sites that have a list of many differnt ipkgs/feeds |
| 06:47:02 | jmhodges | MacFlecknoe: its like that |
| 06:47:23 | MacFlecknoe | so do I put input a feed somewhere or are they preprogrammed? |
| 06:47:29 | MacFlecknoe | is there a config file? |
| 06:47:43 | jmhodges | yes |
| 06:47:50 | jmhodges | but its easier if you use the gui |
| 06:48:01 | jmhodges | but you can add them in /etc/ipkg.conf |
| 06:48:18 | MacFlecknoe | ok :) cool |
| 06:48:25 | SirPsycho-home | a feed is VERY much like using apt |
| 06:49:34 | SirPsycho-home | jmhodges: i only know of two good feeds for standard Z.. what pages do you know of that have a list of feeds? |
| 06:50:00 | jmhodges | its more like they have lists of ipkgs that can be on a many different feeds |
| 06:50:22 | jmhodges | usually the "big name" feeds are enough.. i havent add much luck with the smaller ones |
| 06:50:32 | jmhodges | ipkgfind, killefilz etc |
| 06:50:43 | SirPsycho-home | which feeds do you use? |
| 06:50:48 | jmhodges | those are ipkg repositories.. |
| 06:50:52 | jmhodges | me i ues the OZ one |
| 06:50:58 | jmhodges | openzaurus that is |
| 06:51:01 | | OZ is see openzaurus |
| 06:51:01 | jmhodges | ibot OZ |
| 06:51:05 | SirPsycho-home | ahh.. ok.. i dont use that one cuz i am not on OZ |
| 06:51:05 | | openzaurus is, like, a Community version of the operating environment for the Sharp Zaurus SL-5x00[d] PDA. See http://openzaurus.sf.net/. or http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/ |
| 06:51:05 | jmhodges | ibot openzaurus |
| 06:51:17 | jmhodges | SirPsycho-home: :) |
| 06:51:24 | MacFlecknoe | shoot... i just did a rm ./* in the ipkg direcotory to delete the packages i downloaded and now i cant get a file transfer form my pc to open!!! |
| 06:51:51 | MacFlecknoe | can someone check to see if there was a config file i delteed in ther????? |
| 06:52:03 | SirPsycho-home | i just today got a external USB CF/SD card reader.. next i gotta get a CF card =) |
| 06:52:45 | MacFlecknoe | can some4one check there /home/root/Documents/application/ipkg direcotry for me? |
| 06:53:43 | MacFlecknoe | BITCH now im gonna have to hard reset my fucking machine! |
| 06:53:44 | eNNoyeD | i dont understand why the D in documents is capitalized yet the word application lacks capitalizations and also lacks an s at the end. |
| 06:53:57 | MacFlecknoe | can someone pls check? |
| 06:54:12 | SirPsycho-home | what do you need MacFlecknoe? |
| 06:54:36 | MacFlecknoe | can you see if there is a hidden config file in /home/root/Documents/applications/ipkg? |
| 06:55:03 | MacFlecknoe | i did a rm ./* in that direcotry and it destoryed my ability to file transfer from my windowes box |
| 06:55:13 | SirPsycho-home | in my application directory i have three empty directories |
| 06:55:19 | SirPsycho-home | none of them are called ipkg |
| 06:55:21 | eNNoyeD | MacFlecknoe: is this a UN*X type system? |
| 06:55:47 | SirPsycho-home | eNNoyeD: zauruses run linux so yes =) |
| 06:55:52 | MacFlecknoe | eNNoyeD: its windows |
| 06:55:55 | eNNoyeD | tthen yes! |
| 06:56:04 | eNNoyeD | damn keyboard. |
| 06:56:07 | MacFlecknoe | windows and zaurus |
| 06:56:25 | eNNoyeD | are you running Microsoft Linux? |
| 06:56:29 | MacFlecknoe | ? |
| 06:56:52 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 06:57:00 | eNNoyeD | MacFlecknoe: on the back of your zaurus, does it say Made in Japan? |
| 06:57:31 | MacFlecknoe | SirPsycho-home: pls cd into your ipkg direcotry and do a 'ls -al' for me |
| 06:57:53 | SirPsycho-home | which ipkg directory? |
| 06:58:17 | MacFlecknoe | /home/root/Documents/application/ipkg |
| 06:58:40 | eNNoyeD | NO there is no conf file or hidden files in that dir! |
| 06:58:46 | MacFlecknoe | shutup asshole |
| 06:58:57 | SirPsycho-home | there is no such directory.. find / -type d -name ipkg ----- all i get is: /home/tmp/ipkg and /home/root/usr/lib/ipkg |
| 06:58:58 | eNNoyeD | um, ok |
| 06:59:22 | SmBJ_ | bah |
| 06:59:25 | MacFlecknoe | SirPsycho-home: shoot... youve never transfer a package from a windows bix via intelesync then |
| 06:59:31 | eNNoyeD | moron ? |
| 06:59:54 | SirPsycho-home | MacFlecknoe: sure i do.. but those are only plain text documents |
| 07:00:00 | MacFlecknoe | fyi eNNoyeD youre being ignored |
| 07:00:11 | eNNoyeD | oh no. i am crying now. |
| 07:00:20 | MacFlecknoe | SirPsycho-home: what are? |
| 07:00:34 | SirPsycho-home | what are what? |
| 07:00:44 | MacFlecknoe | what are text files? |
| 07:00:49 | eNNoyeD | stupid democrat! |
| 07:00:58 | SirPsycho-home | they are files that contain plain ascii text |
| 07:01:04 | jmhodges | MacFlecknoe: are you kidding me |
| 07:01:10 | MacFlecknoe | omfg what FILES are you talking about |
| 07:01:21 | MacFlecknoe | you said you only have text files there |
| 07:01:30 | MacFlecknoe | did you TRANSFER text files? |
| 07:01:40 | MacFlecknoe | or are they remnants of binary transfers |
| 07:01:43 | SirPsycho-home | i transfer text files of documentation from my work puter to my Z via intellisync |
| 07:01:46 | MacFlecknoe | ok |
| 07:02:21 | MacFlecknoe | well jmhodges the next guy who asks if its ok to delete the ipkg files... tell them no |
| 07:02:29 | MacFlecknoe | i gotta do a hard reset |
| 07:02:36 | SirPsycho-home | why not reboot first |
| 07:02:40 | MacFlecknoe | i did |
| 07:02:46 | SirPsycho-home | and? |
| 07:02:57 | MacFlecknoe | adn my problem was solved what do you think? |
| 07:03:03 | MacFlecknoe | man |
| 07:03:21 | MacFlecknoe | why would i have to hard reset the zaurus? |
| 07:03:35 | SirPsycho-home | so what is the big deal.. reset and restore your backup.. you do have backups right? |
| 07:03:49 | MacFlecknoe | oh yes... |
| 07:06:23 | W|GGL|T | nite all |
| 07:06:34 | SirPsycho-home | nite wig |
| 07:06:46 | W|GGL|T | is away: nite all |
| 08:47:45 | MacFlecknoe | . |
| 08:56:31 | sig | hello hello.... echo echo.... |
| 08:58:03 | MacFlecknoe | you just connecting your pda? |
| 08:58:27 | sig | who me? |
| 08:58:31 | MacFlecknoe | yes |
| 08:58:36 | sig | I've had it connected for a month now |
| 08:58:46 | sig | I'm not on my pda at the moment |
| 08:58:55 | sig | MacFlecknoe: http://sig.ath.cx/vncz.jpg |
| 08:59:54 | MacFlecknoe | groovy.. how is the overhead of vnc? |
| 09:00:44 | sig | nice |
| 09:00:52 | sig | no lagg since it is on my network |
| 10:48:15 | cxm | http://www.softfield.com/ and http://www.agendawiki.com/ |
| 10:48:41 | cxm | (duh: oops) |
| 11:11:47 | George- | any OZ gurus here? |
| 11:44:01 | George- | ok |
| 11:44:11 | George- | Whenever I compile a Zaurus kernel, the kernel doesn't boot on my Z |
| 11:44:16 | George- | Have I done something wrong? |
| 11:44:41 | George- | I run SuSE 7.3 x86, either the emdebian gcc cross compiler or the sharp ones... |
| 11:52:10 | vilmund | anyone here use a 56k modem with their z? |
| 11:52:33 | vilmund | if so recommend pretec or another? |
| 11:53:07 | George- | Anyone know of a CF -> PCMCIA adaptor that I can use to put PCMCIA stuff in my Z? |
| 12:09:13 | tabog | hello... |
| 12:11:43 | tabog | so... a question |
| 12:12:22 | tabog | is it possible to throw all the Zaurus software and use a custom linux with j2ME CDC ? |
| 12:43:11 | Sp33dy2 | re |
| 12:48:12 | Speedy2 | Are we all dead ? |
| 12:55:26 | nobse | Can I use all hardware that works with the standard distribution (i.e. CF lan cards) with OpenZaurus? |
| 13:02:12 | Speedy2 | nobse: I think so, I think the Kernel is the same |
| 13:03:06 | nobse | Speedy2: still the old crappy 2.4.6? :( |
| 13:05:56 | s | whats so crappy about 2.4.6? |
| 13:06:27 | Speedy2 | nobse: I'm sure you could compile your own kernel, but you wouldn't have SD support |
| 13:07:36 | nobse | ljp: maybe 2.4.6 is ok for the Z, I have working with it just a few days |
| 13:07:46 | nobse | Speedy2: uh, ok, I really need SD |
| 13:08:30 | Speedy2 | nobse: Then you won't be compiling your own kernel |
| 13:09:47 | nobse | Speedy2: why not? no patch available? |
| 13:10:25 | ljp | if it ain't broke.. don't fix it... |
| 13:10:41 | nobse | :> |
| 13:11:14 | Speedy2 | nobse: No, there is no patch, it's proprietary and won't be released |
| 13:11:23 | Speedy2 | ljp: Those who take the risks win./ |
| 13:11:23 | nobse | Speedy2: uhmz :-( |
| 13:12:27 | nobse | Speedy2: Who wrote that patch? Sharp? |
| 13:12:40 | Speedy2 | nobse: Sharp wrote the driver, correct. |
| 13:12:50 | nobse | ok |
| 13:12:59 | Speedy2 | Well...they paid someone to do it |
| 13:13:14 | Speedy2 | But because SD is a shitty standard, it contains "proprietary" stuff, so the driver can't be free |
| 13:13:29 | nobse | aah, ok |
| 13:13:36 | nobse | so its not sharps fault |
| 13:13:58 | Speedy2 | Yeah...blame Panasonic and others |
| 13:14:58 | ljp | blame Canada |
| 13:15:14 | nobse | Canada? |
| 13:17:45 | ljp | ya.. its all their fault |
| 13:32:16 | [George] | http://www.wazlaf.org/download/psilinux/feed/ <-- Anyone tried the gcc packages there? |
| 13:32:25 | Speedy2 | Don't bother with those |
| 13:32:41 | Speedy2 | nm |
| 13:33:06 | [George] | I use those on my Psion 5mx, an armv4l system |
| 13:33:09 | [George] | they work great |
| 13:36:29 | Speedy2 | I was thinking something else, excuse me. |
| 14:08:17 | CloudChaser | 'mornin |
| 14:12:32 | ljp | hiya |
| 14:13:13 | CloudChaser | how are you doing today? |
| 14:13:30 | Speedy2 | Hey Cloud |
| 14:13:39 | CloudChaser | hiya Speedy2 :) |
| 14:15:42 | ljp | fair to partly cloudy.. working on embeddedkonsole enhancement |
| 14:17:57 | CloudChaser | ooh nice! |
| 14:18:06 | CloudChaser | what kind of enhancment? |
| 14:18:35 | ljp | custom colors |
| 14:18:53 | CloudChaser | :) |
| 14:19:32 | NetAmp | shoots amazon.com |
| 14:19:33 | CloudChaser | 'mornin NetAmp :) |
| 14:19:36 | CloudChaser | aww |
| 14:19:39 | NetAmp | hiya CloudChaser :) |
| 14:19:43 | CloudChaser | it didn't come yet? |
| 14:19:47 | NetAmp | "Currently, item can be shipped only within the U.S." |
| 14:19:53 | CloudChaser | ack! |
| 14:19:54 | NetAmp | it says... in quite small letters |
| 14:20:14 | NetAmp | hm maybe I could try and see what happens ;) |
| 14:20:17 | NetAmp | :P |
| 14:20:29 | ljp | ship it to me, I'll ship it to you |
| 14:20:57 | NetAmp | heh |
| 14:21:09 | ljp | no, really. I own a shipping store |
| 14:21:41 | NetAmp | oh? cool |
| 14:26:12 | W|GGL|T | is back (gone 07:19:24) |
| 14:31:19 | CloudChaser | hmm hancom word doesn't quite get all the formatting from msword right |
| 14:31:36 | W|GGL|T | LOL!! |
| 14:31:38 | W|GGL|T | http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/invboard/index.php?s=edae9180451a2c5884653d3e11fbed05&act=ST&f=11&t=1975&view=getlastpost |
| 14:32:16 | W|GGL|T | hancom make a desktop version? |
| 14:32:21 | CloudChaser | lol ljp |
| 14:32:25 | NetAmp | hah |
| 14:32:26 | George- | hmm? |
| 14:32:28 | George- | I don't get that |
| 14:32:30 | George- | ;) |
| 14:33:14 | ljp | hehehe |
| 14:33:17 | CloudChaser | hahaha |
| 14:33:23 | George- | ??? |
| 14:33:36 | CloudChaser | ok this guy comes in here last night |
| 14:33:48 | W|GGL|T | gibberishlife is ennoyed, incognito |
| 14:33:54 | W|GGL|T | weird guy |
| 14:33:56 | CloudChaser | asking all kinds of questions that were similiar to someone who was posting on zz |
| 14:34:08 | CloudChaser | so i asked him are you Gibberishlife |
| 14:34:13 | CloudChaser | and it got really wierd then |
| 14:34:23 | Nadav | who are you talking about? |
| 14:34:52 | CloudChaser | GiBBerishLife/eNNoyeD |
| 14:34:58 | CloudChaser | same person |
| 14:35:06 | Nadav | ah |
| 14:35:20 | Nadav | ennoyed. yeah, saw him on earlier today |
| 14:39:06 | warmi | hi' |
| 14:39:25 | Nadav | hi warmi |
| 14:39:28 | killefiz | hi warmi - what's you port of the day? ;) |
| 14:39:34 | killefiz | s/you/your/ |
| 14:39:47 | Nadav | hah |
| 14:39:54 | Nadav | i'll be back in a bit |
| 14:40:32 | Speedy2 | Hi warmi |
| 14:42:41 | George- | Anyone else had this problem, where OZ keeps resetting the clock back to Jan 1st 2002 each time you suspend the machine? |
| 14:43:12 | ljp | run /etc/init.d/atd start on every reboot |
| 14:43:21 | George- | atd? |
| 14:46:08 | nobse | Hmm, is there anything like plucker or avantgo for Z? |
| 14:47:15 | ljp | I have an avantgo stylus/pen that works great on the Z |
| 14:47:50 | NetAmp | :) |
| 14:48:33 | warmi | hehehe |
| 14:48:40 | warmi | killefiz: puzz-le version 2 is coming |
| 14:48:56 | warmi | with 400 new levels ported from vexed |
| 14:49:17 | George- | warmi: how much money have you made out of Puzz-Le on Handango? :) |
| 14:49:20 | darienm | nobse: what do those programs do? |
| 14:49:32 | darienm | nobse: do they 'get' websites for offline viewing? |
| 14:49:39 | warmi | couple of hundred $ |
| 14:49:43 | warmi | not much |
| 14:49:54 | George- | couple of hundred? |
| 14:50:00 | warmi | it would be hard to make a living selling software for the ZAurus .. not at this point |
| 14:50:01 | warmi | yeah |
| 14:50:03 | Nadav | that's pretty good |
| 14:50:20 | nobse | darienm: exactly |
| 14:50:25 | warmi | yeah, it is good for me ( I never intended to make money on it ) |
| 14:50:30 | George- | 378 times downloaded |
| 14:50:32 | darienm | Then you want wwwoffle for the Zaurus. Its a caching proxy server. |
| 14:50:34 | | i heard wwwoffle was available at http://www.gedanken.demon.co.uk/wwwoffle/ or available in ipk at http://hrabbey.webhop.net/Projects/Deb2Ipks/ |
| 14:50:34 | darienm | ibot wwwoffle |
| 14:50:40 | George- | 378 x $10 = $3780 |
| 14:50:40 | warmi | but I wonder how tkc company is surviving |
| 14:50:45 | warmi | they have bigger sales but still |
| 14:50:55 | CloudChaser | they have other stuff too |
| 14:50:58 | ljp | downloads != sales |
| 14:51:00 | warmi | George- : this counts trial downloads as well |
| 14:51:04 | George- | oh right |
| 14:51:12 | darienm | nobse: use the second link |
| 14:51:14 | George- | trial is full version, right? |
| 14:51:33 | warmi | no - just 8 levels out of 50 |
| 14:51:45 | warmi | you wanna full version without paying . compile it yourself :-) |
| 14:51:45 | CloudChaser | hey does anyone know what news server zaurus general is on? |
| 14:51:47 | NetAmp | heck I'll just fly over to the US, I can use a vacation anyway ;) |
| 14:51:48 | NetAmp | hah |
| 14:51:59 | nobse | darienm: hmm, can I use it in the same way like avantgo? Tell wwwoffle some sites, how much links it will follow, and download them? |
| 14:52:02 | warmi | news server ? |
| 14:52:08 | darienm | nobse: Yes,and even more so. |
| 14:52:22 | CloudChaser | yeah i'm trying to get it in pan news reader and having some trouble |
| 14:52:25 | nobse | darienm: ok, thanks |
| 14:52:40 | CloudChaser | its not on my isp's news server so i think i need to know what server it is on |
| 14:53:33 | George- | warmi: I did that =P |
| 14:54:07 | warmi | CloudChaser : this is a mailing list not nntp |
| 14:54:36 | warmi | George- fine with me .. anything I make of of Puzzle is a bonus |
| 14:54:42 | warmi | hehe |
| 14:54:50 | George- | warmi: yeh, well I'm a poor 14 year old :) |
| 14:55:02 | CloudChaser | ok well on windows i get newsgroups in my mail program and zaurus general too |
| 14:55:14 | warmi | there are no rich 14 year olds, are there ? |
| 14:55:16 | CloudChaser | 14 year old with a z? |
| 14:55:22 | CloudChaser | not so poor |
| 14:55:27 | George- | CloudChaser: blah, 5000D |
| 14:55:35 | George- | CloudChaser: got it by selling off a laptop |
| 14:55:53 | CloudChaser | 14 year old with laptop eh? |
| 14:55:53 | CloudChaser | hehe ;) |
| 14:55:56 | George- | grr |
| 14:55:58 | CloudChaser | i'm just messing with you |
| 14:55:59 | George- | Only a tibook |
| 14:55:59 | warmi | hehehe |
| 14:56:05 | George- | ****$(%*@#$(% |
| 14:56:20 | CloudChaser | now now, no need to say things like that! |
| 14:56:21 | George- | yeh, well the tiBook is the reason why I'm poor |
| 14:56:23 | George- | so =P |
| 14:56:26 | CloudChaser | hehe |
| 14:56:33 | CloudChaser | i'm really just kidding with you |
| 14:56:46 | George- | ok |
| 14:56:48 | George- | *good* :) |
| 14:56:49 | warmi | darienm : have you tried wwwoffle on the ZAurus yet ? |
| 14:56:53 | tux_mike | needs to get a new laptop |
| 14:57:00 | darienm | warmi: yes, I helped hrabbey test the latest version |
| 14:57:08 | darienm | warmi: i put it thru ALL its paces, several times over |
| 14:57:11 | warmi | tux_mike don't forget to send you know what :-) |
| 14:57:19 | darienm | warmi: its easy to use, configure, install |
| 14:57:26 | darienm | warmi: just follow the directions and you're set. |
| 14:57:32 | George- | CRAP |
| 14:57:36 | George- | I left my bin at school!!! |
| 14:57:37 | darienm | warmi: works in both opera and konqueror |
| 14:57:39 | George- | *#&*(%@&#$%* |
| 14:57:42 | warmi | darienm : maybe we should package it nicely with some GUI control tool so everyone can use it ? |
| 14:57:42 | tux_mike | warmi: yup. i should do it tonight, can you msg me the two adresses again? |
| 14:57:43 | George- | I have no BIN! |
| 14:57:49 | warmi | sure |
| 14:57:50 | warmi | once sec |
| 14:58:02 | darienm | warmi: I was discussing that with benmeyer regarding the next release of server manager. |
| 14:58:34 | darienm | warmi: we were talking (with others) about the best way to approach a new version (old source was lost) so that it could control a number of processes. |
| 14:58:42 | tux_mike | i've been thinking about getting a libretto |
| 14:58:46 | CloudChaser | ooh |
| 14:58:47 | darienm | warmi: I have the transcript of the conversation, want it? |
| 14:58:51 | George- | tux_mike: Get an apple mac!!! :) |
| 14:59:00 | warmi | yeah, can you dcc it to me ? |
| 14:59:05 | CloudChaser | librettos are little ;) |
| 14:59:08 | darienm | Mac!! Woot! |
| 14:59:12 | Nadav | hah |
| 14:59:15 | Nadav | i'm gonna get a mac soon |
| 14:59:16 | George- | macs 0wn |
| 14:59:26 | darienm | is running G4 with OS X! |
| 14:59:27 | tux_mike | George-: i'm not a mac person. i'd just end up putting linux on it |
| 14:59:27 | George- | especially the tiBook G4 667!!!!!! |
| 14:59:35 | George- | tux_mike: yeh, that's what I did... |
| 14:59:37 | darienm | Mac already is unix. |
| 14:59:40 | Nadav | heh |
| 14:59:43 | George- | tux_mike: 6 OS's on this mac *g* |
| 14:59:46 | W|GGL|T | tnn.sys.zaurus |
| 14:59:54 | darienm | George-: only 6? |
| 15:00:00 | W|GGL|T | CloudChaser: tnn.sys.zaurus |
| 15:00:07 | George- | darienm: for a laptop, gimme some credit :) |
| 15:00:07 | tux_mike | but i need windows for gaming. and i really want small |
| 15:00:14 | darienm | George-: Oh, a laptop. |
| 15:00:17 | CloudChaser | thanks i'll try that..i couldn't get it into evolution |
| 15:00:29 | darienm | warmi: was that a yes, or no? |
| 15:00:38 | George- | darienm: which G4? |
| 15:00:54 | W|GGL|T | CloudChaser: i get it in KNode |
| 15:00:58 | darienm | George-: The quicksilver 7xx MHz or something. |
| 15:01:06 | Nadav | hm |
| 15:01:07 | warmi | yeah |
| 15:01:09 | George- | lucky bastard |
| 15:01:11 | CloudChaser | knode? i'll look for that |
| 15:01:24 | tux_mike | http://www.dynamism.com/libretto/index.shtml this is the new libretto |
| 15:01:56 | George- | The Flip-Pad Voyager! *hahahah* |
| 15:02:03 | George- | 20" dual head on a laptop |
| 15:02:04 | George- | lmao |
| 15:02:13 | tux_mike | the only thing wrong with the libretto is no firewire |
| 15:02:34 | ljp | firewire is over rated |
| 15:02:39 | warmi | what would you need firewire for ? |
| 15:02:51 | warmi | I never even seen firewire in my life :-) |
| 15:03:02 | tux_mike | exteranal DVD drive and external hard drive |
| 15:03:16 | warmi | how about USB ? |
| 15:03:24 | warmi | you can do that with USB as well |
| 15:03:24 | George- | I've never needed FireWire, even though I have it |
| 15:03:34 | tux_mike | usb is too slow for a hard drive |
| 15:04:43 | NetAmp | hm that Libretto looks pretty smooooth |
| 15:04:46 | NetAmp | ;) |
| 15:05:00 | warmi | I remember reading about how Apple f*** up by overpricing firewire |
| 15:05:02 | warmi | something like that |
| 15:05:05 | tux_mike | only bad thing about it is it's japan only |
| 15:05:20 | George- | 800MHz CPU? |
| 15:05:22 | George- | olllddd.. |
| 15:05:44 | W|GGL|T | uses a 400mhz celeron cpu |
| 15:05:45 | tux_mike | i can get it through this broker, and they will americanize it for me, and warranty it for the 1 year toshiba does, but i dont think i can extend the warranty |
| 15:05:49 | W|GGL|T | now THAT'S old |
| 15:05:58 | tux_mike | George-: all my computers are 800MHz |
| 15:06:05 | tux_mike | i do fine |
| 15:06:08 | W|GGL|T | 800mhz aint bad |
| 15:06:45 | darienm | Apple has since GIVEN AWAY the firewire spec to IEEE |
| 15:06:47 | George- | heh, ok |
| 15:07:07 | darienm | And when it comes to speed and ease-of-use, you can't beat Firewire. |
| 15:07:36 | tux_mike | warmi: this broker company is in chicago :) |
| 15:07:54 | warmi | heh |
| 15:08:06 | tux_mike | first thing that gave it away was the coke can :) |
| 15:08:29 | Speedy2 | TI makes people pay a licensing fee for the Firewire chipsets, I think that's what the deal was |
| 15:11:22 | warmi | darienm : haha .. benmayer lost the source code for his server app ... I didn't know that :-) |
| 15:11:37 | Speedy2 | That's a good thing? |
| 15:11:39 | warmi | actually I do have this little app installed for starting up telnet deamon ( of all things) |
| 15:11:45 | darienm | warmi: Yeah - I had read it prior to our conversation somewhere, perhaps on his home page or something. |
| 15:11:48 | warmi | Speedy2 : no, that is a funny thing |
| 15:12:18 | darienm | But that's ok - cuz he's willing to start over - and now it will be able to do more. |
| 15:12:24 | warmi | yeah, but we definately need some sort of server manager app |
| 15:12:28 | darienm | The old program was very single-minded. |
| 15:12:40 | darienm | yeah - the list of processes I want to control keeps growing. |
| 15:12:45 | warmi | I know but well designed app/aplet could be very usefull |
| 15:12:45 | nobse | How can I change the used language of Qtopia? |
| 15:13:11 | darienm | nobse: I dont think your Zaurus knows more than one language. (I could be wrong) |
| 15:13:28 | warmi | I think at this point 5500G knows German |
| 15:13:36 | nobse | darienm: my Z is in german, but I want it in english |
| 15:13:46 | ljp | opie knows more languages |
| 15:13:52 | killefiz | nobse: flash the english version |
| 15:13:56 | darienm | Hrm. Would flashing with an english rom help? |
| 15:14:03 | warmi | ljp: in a true salesman fashion .... |
| 15:14:04 | warmi | hehhe |
| 15:14:18 | nobse | eh, when I have my CF Card, I flash it with OZ and Opie :> |
| 15:14:19 | killefiz | darienm: but beware there is no way to change the keyboard layout |
| 15:14:34 | darienm | knows nothing about keyboard layouts. |
| 15:14:39 | warmi | ljp: when is OPIE 1.0 coming out ? |
| 15:14:54 | darienm | killefiz: Wait, you're wrong! |
| 15:15:02 | darienm | killefiz: You CAN change the keyboard layout! |
| 15:15:13 | darienm | http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=230 |
| 15:15:21 | darienm | With Customizable Keyboard ! |
| 15:15:25 | darienm | You can remap any keys ! |
| 15:15:36 | darienm | Even combinations of keys, Shifted keys, Fn keys. |
| 15:15:39 | darienm | :) |
| 15:16:00 | ljp | warmi: not real sure cause we're moving from xml to a db for app data |
| 15:16:37 | killefiz | ljp: so opie will no longer be compatible to qtopia? |
| 15:17:03 | darienm | oohhh, security :) |
| 15:17:05 | warmi | does anyone in OPIE know what Trolls are up to ? I know they are working on some sort of unified API for accessing dbs ( address book etc) .. ? |
| 15:17:24 | warmi | is there any sort of cooperation between OPIE and Trolls? |
| 15:17:26 | ljp | it wil lbe compatible, we'll also include compatiblitly functions |
| 15:17:27 | tux_mike | warmi: that would be a good thing :) |
| 15:18:08 | ljp | warmi: sure.. not officially. JasonNJ is oushing oz for the next zaurus, TT knows that xml doesn't scale |
| 15:18:12 | warmi | tux_mike I am basing my comment on a single msg from one of Trolltech developers ( couple of months ago) |
| 15:19:18 | warmi | ljp: I know but what I am afraid of is that both teams will go into separate direction and trying to keep both source trees binary compatible will be harder and harder |
| 15:19:39 | tux_mike | i am still wondering how we plan on keeping sync compatable... will there be a compatabilty sync and a new sync method? |
| 15:20:17 | zecke | tux_mike: didn't I told you yesterday |
| 15:20:35 | tux_mike | zecke: no, you just said we needed a faq :) |
| 15:20:39 | zecke | tux_mike: we hack our ftp server to convert db -> xml into ram when addressbook/addresssbook.xml is requested |
| 15:20:39 | warmi | ljp: btw .. if they are planning to go with OPIE then they better hire OPIE folks .. |
| 15:20:58 | tux_mike | alright |
| 15:21:03 | ljp | :D I agree, fully.. and in Cali! not NJ |
| 15:21:11 | darienm | I thought they worked for free ;) |
| 15:21:17 | warmi | I can't imagine Sharp basing they development for the Zaurus on a couple of guys working in their spare time |
| 15:21:21 | heath | how do I list the files in an ipk file after it is installed? |
| 15:21:42 | ljp | couple? there's about 8 or 9, I think |
| 15:21:44 | darienm | heath: You want to see WHAT was installed after a successful install? |
| 15:21:45 | tux_mike | zecke: i think we may, for things like kitchensync, want to make a new sync method, that is better than taking the xml files off the Z |
| 15:21:53 | heath | darienm : yes |
| 15:21:56 | darienm | heath: or you want to look inside the ipk itself? |
| 15:22:12 | heath | darienm: I want to see what was installed |
| 15:22:28 | warmi | ljp: that's not the point .. the point is that deadlines will have to be met and they cannot expect you guys to do that without hiring you |
| 15:22:41 | darienm | heath: there is a file for each ipk (I'l getting the location for you) that keeps track of what was installed. |
| 15:22:43 | CloudChaser | and you SHOULD get paid |
| 15:22:55 | heath | darienm: ok thanks |
| 15:23:17 | darienm | heath: /home/root/usr/lib/ipkg/ |
| 15:23:56 | ljp | warmi: tell Jason that ;) |
| 15:24:00 | darienm | heath: inside that is the 'info' directory, with descriptions of each ipkg, and the 'status' file that shows everything you have installed currently. |
| 15:24:17 | warmi | zecke: couple of days agi JasonNJ said something about possibility of includnig one of the commercial DBs in the ZAurus ROM ( Sybase DBAnywhere etc ..) |
| 15:24:26 | heath | darienm: I see it thanks |
| 15:24:50 | ljp | Jason _was_ trying to get a few hired, but it was put on hold |
| 15:24:50 | zecke | warmi: yeah commercial DB for an OpenSource Project |
| 15:25:44 | warmi | I don't know if he meant it in the context of OPIE or Qtopia but he seemed to be quite serious about it |
| 15:25:46 | ljp | I explained that him him, we may have problems writing OS apps with a commercial db |
| 15:26:19 | warmi | ljp: no wonder... at this point they are outsourcing everything to Trolls .. |
| 15:26:53 | warmi | what license is OPIE under ? |
| 15:27:09 | | OPIE is the Open Palmtop Integrated Environment. More info can be found at http://opie.handhelds.org or in the #opie channel. or at http://www.opie.info or at http://www.opie.us or most important at http://www.opie.info |
| 15:27:09 | warmi | ibot OPIE |
| 15:27:13 | ljp | its under the po-opie license |
| 15:28:02 | warmi | huh GPL |
| 15:28:14 | warmi | right, Qtopia was GPLed so it has to stay that way |
| 15:28:34 | ljp | oh right... my mistake ;) |
| 15:30:05 | zecke | warmi: LGPL and GPL |
| 15:30:24 | warmi | frankly, if Shapr went with OPIE and ditched Trolls in the process ... uh , that would create classing example of GPL coming back and biting original creator in the ass |
| 15:30:26 | warmi | hehe |
| 15:31:23 | zecke | warmi: Sharp would be stupid to do that |
| 15:32:03 | warmi | but they cannot afford to keep both ends of the deal .. hire OPIE folks and pay Trolls for Qtopia stuff |
| 15:39:05 | tboc | hi |
| 15:39:56 | Nadav | hey |
| 15:40:35 | zecke | warmi: with TT they got a Company which they could sue |
| 15:41:14 | Nadav | ack |
| 15:41:16 | Nadav | stupid hotmail |
| 15:42:21 | Nadav | filtered messages from my dad at |
| 15:42:25 | Nadav | junk |
| 15:42:27 | Nadav | s/at/as |
| 15:42:28 | warmi | zecke: I am not familiar with their dealings with Trolls but , yeah if you mean Qtopia quality then I agree .. it was released in a bad shape |
| 15:47:02 | tboc | btw. is there a mirror for the http://opie.wox.org/sharp/ feed? wox seems to be down |
| 15:49:32 | Speedy2 | Later all |
| 16:13:10 | CloudChaser | warmi: it's news.le.org |
| 16:13:21 | CloudChaser | le.lists.zaurus.general |
| 16:14:53 | CloudChaser | :) |
| 16:19:49 | George- | tboc: Dun think so, wox is down here as well |
| 16:20:41 | tboc | George-: is there a mirror somewhere? |
| 16:20:59 | tboc | because i just took the ipaq feed for the zaurus ... not a good idea ;) |
| 16:21:09 | SmBJ_ | haha |
| 16:21:14 | SmBJ_ | doens't seem good |
| 16:21:35 | tboc | yeah, opie won't start anymore because it can't detect the ipaq-model-nr ;) |
| 16:21:47 | George- | tboc: I don't think so |
| 16:21:57 | tboc | George-: k :/ |
| 16:22:13 | George- | tboc: the OZ feed has builds from 02/07/02 |
| 16:22:21 | George- | ie - 2nd July, 2002 |
| 16:22:34 | tboc | oh, ic |
| 16:22:58 | tboc | George-: url? |
| 16:23:22 | George- | tboc: http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/feeds/3.0 |
| 16:23:25 | tboc | thx |
| 16:24:01 | George- | http://homepage.ntlworld.com/eric.rsoc/Pics/pict0033.jpg |
| 16:24:05 | George- | my beloved tiBook |
| 16:24:07 | George- | *aaahahhhh** |
| 16:24:28 | George- | I have a serious problem with camera shake |
| 16:24:30 | George- | hmm... |
| 16:26:50 | tux_mike | what's the reccomended QT book, the new one from ORA? |
| 16:27:53 | tboc | too bad that you can't use the keyboard when the Z is in the cradle :( |
| 16:28:08 | tboc | now how do i input something? |
| 16:28:14 | NetAmp | mod the cradle ;) |
| 16:28:20 | tboc | ;) |
| 16:28:48 | shoe | anyone have any luck with wlan with the latest OZ? |
| 16:28:49 | VerxHome | anyone know what would cause an error saying "/skiff/src/qt-2.3.2/lib/libqpe.so: could not read symbols: Invalid operation" ??? |
| 16:35:29 | tboc | btw. how do i force downgrading a package with ipkg? |
| 16:36:49 | VerxHome | uninstall/reinstall |
| 16:37:09 | [George] | tboc: you can't |
| 16:37:26 | tboc | hu? |
| 16:38:45 | tboc | i hope that if i uninstall task-opie-complete from the OZ feed it'll work |
| 16:39:10 | VerxHome | ask that question on #Opie then |
| 16:39:31 | tboc | i'll just try it ;) |
| 16:40:29 | shoe | does anyone know where to get the original qtopia rom image? |
| 16:48:03 | CloudChaser | www.myzaurus.com? |
| 16:48:15 | CloudChaser | for 5000 or 5500? |
| 16:50:24 | shoe | 5000 |
| 16:50:43 | shoe | I'm looking to do 1.13 + the linksys patch... does that work? or do you have to do it to 1.12? |
| 16:50:49 | shoe | I want the 26.6 :( |
| 16:50:55 | shoe | 26-6 even |
| 16:51:33 | darienm | tboc: You can use VNC to use your desktop's keyboard/mouse to control the Zaurus while it in the cradle. |
| 16:51:44 | tboc | darienm: yeah, if opie worked ;) |
| 16:51:51 | tboc | darienm: just got the console |
| 16:51:57 | darienm | tboc: doh |
| 16:52:17 | tboc | darienm: i could use sshd but i can't remember how to generate the hostkey ;) |
| 16:52:24 | darienm | that's easy |
| 16:52:24 | CloudChaser | ah i don't know about the 5000 rom |
| 16:52:33 | darienm | one second. |
| 16:52:38 | nobse | my zaurus has a load average of 4.25, is this normal? |
| 16:53:04 | darienm | ssh-keygen -b 1024 -f /usr/local/etc/ssh_host_key -N '' |
| 16:53:11 | darienm | Those are two single-quotes at the end |
| 16:53:12 | tboc | darienm: ah, thx |
| 16:56:11 | NetAmp | ljp: ping |
| 16:56:20 | iang | nobse: yes. (At least mine is the same.) |
| 16:56:59 | nobse | iang: ok, I thought I broke something :> |
| 16:57:23 | tboc | darienm: ssh_keygen complains that it can't find /usr/local/etc/ssh_host_key |
| 16:58:09 | iang | (I don't know why that is, though.) |
| 17:00:11 | shoe | uhm |
| 17:00:25 | shoe | flashing from OZ to QT operating systems has caused some problems |
| 17:00:35 | shoe | mid flash, it dumps me into a shell prompt with all kinds of errors |
| 17:01:00 | shoe | anyone ever experience that? |
| 17:01:15 | shoe | "Couldn't find ext2 superblock" |
| 17:02:12 | VerxHome | nobse: The load average on my ipaq running the same software as you is like 0.5 |
| 17:02:13 | VerxHome | :) |
| 17:02:59 | iang | shoe: did you flash with the C-D-reset or the flash app? |
| 17:03:05 | shoe | cd-reset |
| 17:03:26 | iang | have you tried doing just the button reset (no c-d) since you flashed? |
| 17:03:32 | shoe | weird... I did a hard reset and it came into the OS |
| 17:03:36 | shoe | that was freaky |
| 17:03:56 | iang | Into the newly-flashed OS? |
| 17:04:06 | shoe | yup |
| 17:04:48 | iang | Sounds like the new OS came up the first time under the mistaken impression that it was a soft boot, and it was looking for the filesystem which it expected to be there, but wasn't. |
| 17:04:58 | shoe | strange |
| 17:07:15 | iang | Maybe the oncheck program returns something other than "HW Reset" when it's coming from a C-D-reset. |
| 17:08:26 | iang | In which case it's a bug in /root/etc/rc.d/rc.rofilesys in the Sharp ROM. |
| 17:20:05 | shoe | does anyone know where to download the JavaOne linksys patch? |
| 17:20:10 | nobse | gnah, where is a document that describes flashing via cf card? |
| 17:23:43 | iang | nobse: http://more.sbc.co.jp/slj/download/readme/readme_romimage112.asp |
| 17:24:15 | nobse | iang: ah, thanks |
| 17:26:25 | iang | remember that you need to name the image "ospack", not "ospack.srom". |
| 17:27:56 | nobse | iang: hu? not romimage? |
| 17:28:18 | nobse | "Copy the "romimage" file to the root directory of the CF Card. |
| 17:29:28 | iang | nobse: That's for 1.x ROMs, right. For 2.x ROMS (for the 5500) use "ospack". |
| 17:30:09 | nobse | iang: hmm, I want to install OpenZaurus on it |
| 17:30:11 | [George] | OK |
| 17:30:13 | [George] | I need help |
| 17:30:22 | [George] | anyone here managed to cross compile a kernel for the Z? |
| 17:31:27 | iang | nobse: then you stick the separate zimage, initrd.bin files on the card, and C-D-reset. Not the "romimage" or "ospack" at all. |
| 17:31:36 | iang | [George]: yes |
| 17:31:44 | [George] | iang: What cross compiler do you use? |
| 17:31:52 | nobse | iang: ah, ok |
| 17:32:11 | iang | [George]: the standard one you use for compiling anything for the Z (arm-linux-gcc) |
| 17:32:26 | [George] | iang: yeh, which distribution of it? |
| 17:32:34 | [George] | iang: ie - emdebian, sharp, trolltech? |
| 17:33:41 | iang | [George]: the one from the sharp website: gcc-cross-sa1100-2.95.2-0.i386.rpm and friends. |
| 17:34:11 | [George] | iang: hmm, strange. any kernels that I cross compiled using that didn't work |
| 17:34:25 | iang | Didn't work in what way? |
| 17:34:29 | [George] | iang: did you just do a export PATH=/opt/Embedix/bin:$PATH |
| 17:34:34 | [George] | make blah blah blah |
| 17:34:40 | [George] | well, it compiled the kernel |
| 17:34:42 | [George] | then hung |
| 17:34:46 | [George] | when it tried to boot |
| 17:35:20 | iang | The instructions I wrote up are at http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/wiki/index.php?BuildingROMS |
| 17:35:52 | [George] | ok |
| 17:36:01 | [George] | I wonder if there are known issues with SuSE 7. |
| 17:36:02 | [George] | 3 |
| 17:37:38 | [George] | hmm |
| 17:37:41 | [George] | strange |
| 17:37:46 | [George] | I followed those instructions. |
| 17:37:51 | [George] | (essentially) |
| 17:37:54 | [George] | and it didn't work |
| 17:39:16 | shew | if I've got eth0 in my ifconfig, does that mean I have wlan setup correctly? |
| 17:40:06 | iang | [George]: do you have a 5500 or 5000D? |
| 17:41:34 | [George] | 5000D |
| 17:41:45 | [George] | I had a diff kernel config, though |
| 17:41:45 | [George] | ;) |
| 17:42:32 | iang | Make *sure* the kernel config you're using has the right RAM/disk params for the 5000D. |
| 17:43:00 | BigBoss | yo |
| 17:43:04 | nobse | can I replace that boring background image of qtopia? |
| 17:43:21 | [George] | iang: I did (I think) |
| 17:43:28 | [George] | nobse: no |
| 17:43:32 | [George] | nobse: upgrade to Opie |
| 17:44:01 | nobse | [George]: yeah, in the next days, when the postman brings my cf card :> |
| 17:44:14 | [George] | nobse: heh |
| 17:44:26 | iang | (gotta go.) |
| 17:44:27 | NetAmp | hiya BB |
| 17:44:32 | [George] | hmm |
| 17:44:39 | [George] | wonders why sharp didn't allow flashing off SD |
| 17:44:47 | NetAmp | aren't they? |
| 17:44:57 | iang | I can't think of what's different then. Maybe try exactly the directions on the wiki page. |
| 17:44:58 | NetAmp | I thought with new ROMs it's possible |
| 17:45:04 | NetAmp | even from internal RAM? |
| 17:45:32 | NetAmp | or did I misunderstand that.. hm |
| 17:46:15 | [George] | NetAmp: huh? |
| 17:46:27 | [George] | iang_npa: Yeh, maybe when I can be bothered :) |
| 17:46:34 | [George] | iang_npa: I'll bookmark that page |
| 17:46:52 | NetAmp | well I thought it was possible to flash from SD now? |
| 17:46:56 | NetAmp | Or will that never be :S |
| 17:47:16 | [George] | NetAmp: no, you can only flash off CF |
| 17:47:27 | [George] | NetAmp: It's a hw limitation afaik |
| 17:47:44 | NetAmp | hm.. ok :) |
| 17:48:03 | [George] | I've only had a Z for approx 3 weeks, I'm still a n00b :) |
| 17:48:08 | NetAmp | But I thought they were changing that... |
| 17:48:39 | [George] | NetAmp: what? |
| 17:48:40 | NetAmp | Cuz it seems pretty weird to me to make 'regular' customers buy CF cards to upgrade their roms |
| 17:49:33 | NetAmp | oh well I dunno either |
| 17:49:44 | NetAmp | I haven't even got a Z yet |
| 17:49:57 | NetAmp | turns out they're not to be sold in the Netherlands after all |
| 17:50:18 | BigBoss | NetAmp: send me the money and I'll buy you one, open it and make it look used and ship it to you |
| 17:50:22 | NetAmp | (even though they told me different earlier) |
| 17:50:28 | NetAmp | BigBoss: wahahaha ;) |
| 17:50:39 | NetAmp | sure :P |
| 17:50:52 | NetAmp | do I get the tkc suite for free then? |
| 17:50:53 | NetAmp | heh ;) |
| 17:51:42 | killefiz | [George]: I think the official upgrades also flash from ram |
| 17:51:57 | BigBoss | for free? I'm doing you a favor and saving you hundreds of dollars, I'd expect you to buy everything we have :) |
| 17:52:39 | ljp | just go to www.tkcwarez.net |
| 17:53:13 | killefiz | ljp: damn - you weren't supposed to make that url public |
| 17:53:22 | ljp | doh |
| 17:53:46 | killefiz | wonders how many people just typed tkcwarez.net into their browser |
| 17:54:33 | BigBoss | too many I'm sure :) |
| 17:55:01 | ljp | I'm sure BB was one of them! ;) |
| 17:55:16 | BigBoss | actually no :) |
| 17:55:21 | BigBoss | I'm talking to my son |
| 17:55:30 | sig | howdy |
| 17:56:04 | killefiz | does anyone know how much the Z costs in the UK these days? |
| 17:56:12 | sig | ? |
| 17:57:09 | killefiz | (searching amazon.co.uk for sharp only gives me books about C#) |
| 17:57:10 | BigBoss | about $700 or so I believe |
| 17:57:45 | killefiz | hmm - same as here in germany - i wonder if they'll ever reduce the price like in the us |
| 17:58:20 | sig | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1364698163 |
| 17:58:28 | sig | there is a cheap sl 5000d |
| 17:59:34 | sig | wow, check this one out... |
| 17:59:37 | sig | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1364341527 |
| 18:00:38 | killefiz | sig: i wouldn't buy a 5000 |
| 18:00:45 | sig | killefiz: me either lol |
| 18:01:13 | sig | here is a 5500 |
| 18:01:14 | sig | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1364320373 |
| 18:01:26 | sig | Zaurus SL-5500 Handheld PDA Brand New in Box! |
| 18:01:26 | sig | $200.01 |
| 18:01:39 | BigBoss | great price |
| 18:01:49 | killefiz | I won't buy another zaurus - at least not another 5500 |
| 18:02:00 | sig | killefiz: how come? |
| 18:02:15 | killefiz | sig: I don't need two ;) |
| 18:02:30 | sig | hmm, good point |
| 18:02:34 | sig | heh |
| 18:02:39 | killefiz | i already own way too many computers |
| 18:02:45 | sig | so do i |
| 18:02:49 | sig | my parents are pissed |
| 18:02:50 | sig | hehe |
| 18:02:53 | killefiz | (does anyone want to buy an agenda vr3? ;) |
| 18:03:07 | [George] | how much? ;) |
| 18:03:22 | sig | I have an HP-Omni book that I was thinking about trying to find some sort of linux distro to put on it |
| 18:03:24 | killefiz | 50 EUR |
| 18:03:42 | [George] | dream on :) |
| 18:03:50 | killefiz | yeah - i'll do |
| 18:03:58 | [George] | I already have 3 linux PDAs I don't want a 4th :) |
| 18:04:24 | nobse | [George]: I have one, and I'm happy :> |
| 18:04:37 | [George] | nobse: hehehe |
| 18:04:55 | [George] | nobse: yeh, well, I wanted the latest and greatest Qt Powered one :) (I'm a kde nerd) |
| 18:05:01 | sig | has anyone ever typed linux in ebay to see all the garbage that comes up? |
| 18:05:12 | [George] | yep |
| 18:05:25 | nobse | [George]: I really don't like KDE, but on my Z, it rocks. |
| 18:05:41 | [George] | nobse: you don't like KDE? |
| 18:05:44 | ljp | kde is not on the z |
| 18:05:49 | [George] | nobse: *gasp* blasphemy |
| 18:05:56 | sig | hey guys heres a cool shot: http://sig.ath.cx/vncz.jpg |
| 18:05:58 | nobse | [George]: no, too fat, too slow |
| 18:06:10 | nobse | ljp: yeah, its qt embedded |
| 18:06:16 | [George] | does anyone know if anyone has managed to get familiar or (preferably) intimate to work on the Z? |
| 18:06:21 | ljp | kde is NOT qt/e |
| 18:06:38 | nobse | ljp: ok, but it looks similar |
| 18:06:39 | [George] | yeh! you go get him ljp! :) |
| 18:06:57 | ljp | there's not one stitch of kde code in qtopia |
| 18:07:13 | [George] | ljp: EMBEDDED KONSOLE |
| 18:07:21 | [George] | !!!! |
| 18:07:21 | [George] | ;) |
| 18:07:25 | nobse | hrhr |
| 18:07:31 | [George] | </anger> |
| 18:08:14 | sig | heh, ljp check this out: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2035230916#DESC |
| 18:08:17 | sig | I want that |
| 18:08:22 | tboc | btw. how long should it take to install konqueror in the flash? |
| 18:08:28 | ljp | konsole is a seperate app from qtopia |
| 18:08:47 | [George] | uhm |
| 18:08:53 | [George] | ok then |
| 18:08:56 | [George] | lemme think |
| 18:08:58 | [George] | Asteroids |
| 18:09:26 | ljp | you are confusing qtopia from its apps |
| 18:10:01 | [George] | hmm |
| 18:10:15 | [George] | you are talking about *core* Qtopia like the wm etc? |
| 18:11:41 | ljp | yes, qtopia as in launcher qtopia.. |
| 18:11:57 | sig | http://sig.ath.cx/glxgears.jpg |
| 18:12:03 | sig | http://sig.ath.cx/vncz.jpg |
| 18:13:12 | sig | I love streaming radio |
| 18:14:58 | ljp | well, if you lov eit so much.. why dont you marry it? |
| 18:15:13 | sig | hmm, |
| 18:15:58 | ljp | well!? |
| 18:16:03 | sig | I see they did some updates on ftp and jabber |
| 18:16:17 | sig | this tkc mailing list pisses me off |
| 18:16:21 | sig | got tons of e-mails |
| 18:16:27 | sig | how do i get off this damn list? |
| 18:20:42 | BigBoss | sig: you can read right? |
| 18:20:49 | sig | sure can |
| 18:20:54 | BigBoss | follow the link at the end of each and every email on the list |
| 18:21:00 | BigBoss | and read the instructions on that page |
| 18:21:39 | sig | doesn't say how to get off the list |
| 18:22:11 | sig | http://www.thekompany.com/mailman/listinfo/tkc |
| 18:22:11 | killefiz | BigBoss: I think the point is that you're doing opt-out mailings. That's bad. You're not asking the users if they wan't to be on that list. |
| 18:22:23 | sig | exactly |
| 18:22:49 | sig | I just want off cause it floods my mail box |
| 18:23:04 | ljp | well, then unsubscribe |
| 18:23:12 | sig | ljo there isn't a link to |
| 18:23:18 | sig | I'm on that damn page |
| 18:23:42 | sig | http://www.thekompany.com/mailman/listinfo/tkc |
| 18:24:02 | sig | i see |
| 18:27:11 | tux_mike | BigBoss: do you know anything about the qstyle? |
| 18:33:14 | smee | argh...ipkg-build prefixes ./ to my filenames - what am I doing wrong? |
| 18:46:44 | smee | oh...it's /supposed to/ prefixes ./ to my filenames |
| 18:49:03 | darienm | hahaha. I just connected all my major OS's. On my Mac OS X I'm running XWindows, on which I launched a rdesktop session to a Windows XP laptop running terminal services, using that I connected to my Zaurus with VNC and thru the Zaurus I ran VNC again to talk to a linux server running VNC, hence opening an XWindows session. |
| 18:49:38 | darienm | Mac OS X -> XWindows (Darwin) -> Windows XP -> Zaurus -> Redhat linux |
| 18:56:20 | ljp | wonder which one will need to be rebooted first ;) |
| 19:34:09 | B2N | plop ! |
| 19:56:07 | tboc | if i try to install something with ipkg with -d mtdram as option it installs on flash instead on ram ... why? |
| 20:01:50 | sitruC | f |
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| 20:11:18 | Richard_ | ibot: slashdot |
| 20:12:09 | MacFlecknoe | tboc: it should be ipkg -d /mnt/card pacakgename |
| 20:13:01 | tboc | MacFlecknoe: ic |
| 20:13:08 | jmhodges | heya |
| 20:13:42 | NetAmp | hi |
| 20:13:48 | tboc | btw. is it normal that konqueror takes quite long to install? |
| 20:14:06 | | ping is pong |
| 20:14:06 | NetAmp | ibot: ping |
| 20:14:13 | | wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! |
| 20:14:13 | NetAmp | ibot: pong |
| 20:14:42 | jmhodges | riddle me this, why would i be able to ifconfig and route through ssh on my Z but not when im directly on the Z ("No such file or directory") |
| 20:14:59 | NetAmp | hm |
| 20:15:17 | NetAmp | maybe different (path) settings for remote logins? |
| 20:15:38 | NetAmp | though that would be weird when you login as the same user :( |
| 20:16:05 | jmhodges | aaah.. that might be it |
| 20:16:27 | jmhodges | yes that MUST be it! |
| 20:16:35 | jmhodges | just tried another app in /sbin |
| 20:16:40 | jmhodges | ok .. |
| 20:16:41 | jmhodges | so.. |
| 20:16:57 | jmhodges | looks for a .bash* |
| 20:17:45 | jmhodges | hrmph |
| 20:17:52 | jmhodges | LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib:/usr/local/lib |
| 20:17:53 | jmhodges | PATH=/bin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin |
| 20:17:53 | jmhodges | export PATH LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
| 20:17:59 | jmhodges | /sbin is in there! |
| 20:18:02 | NetAmp | :( |
| 20:18:06 | jmhodges | :(( |
| 20:18:21 | jmhodges | but that has to be it! |
| 20:20:53 | jmhodges | dammit |
| 20:21:00 | jmhodges | need to talk to an OZ dev |
| 20:21:49 | NetAmp | Hey I found Zaurus screenprotectors :) http://www.nushield.com/products_main_zaurus.htm |
| 20:22:05 | jmhodges | cool! |
| 20:22:19 | NetAmp | though friggin' Amazon still won't ship me a Z *grr* |
| 20:22:30 | NetAmp | I'm gonna mail them :P |
| 20:22:53 | killefiz | NetAmp: stop whining and order one from the uk or germany |
| 20:23:15 | vilmund | mine shipped from kentucky last night |
| 20:23:20 | NetAmp | yeah I should stop that.. sorry.. |
| 20:23:23 | NetAmp | but still |
| 20:23:50 | NetAmp | that sucks.. those are like EUR 700 and up :S |
| 20:24:04 | killefiz | more like 700 EUR and down |
| 20:24:16 | NetAmp | ? |
| 20:24:18 | NetAmp | wlel |
| 20:24:25 | killefiz | 598 EUR @abyte.de |
| 20:24:33 | NetAmp | hm.. |
| 20:25:02 | killefiz | still more expensive then amazon.com but you have to add shipping, tax and customs to the amazon price |
| 20:25:23 | NetAmp | yeah you're right, they don't ship free outside US |
| 20:26:09 | killefiz | plus the amazon price doesn't include vat which is 18% in the netherlands? |
| 20:26:23 | NetAmp | ouch.. |
| 20:26:28 | NetAmp | something like that |
| 20:26:36 | NetAmp | probably 19% even :( |
| 20:28:45 | NetAmp | so stupid I didn't think of that, heh, +19% that'd be like $450 |
| 20:29:47 | NetAmp | Does anyone know any UK sites that sell them? |
| 20:30:04 | tboc | btw. anyone running opie without problems? =) |
| 20:35:48 | tboc | MacFlecknoe: btw. i tried ipkg with -d /mnt/cf and it says: "ERROR: unknown dest name: '/mnt/cf'" |
| 20:36:48 | jmhodges | tboc: try just cf |
| 20:36:54 | jmhodges | tboc: -d cf |
| 20:37:29 | tboc | jmhodges: yeah, that's what i tried first - but ipkg installs on internal flash and doesn't care about anything |
| 20:37:39 | jmhodges | ick |
| 20:37:51 | tboc | i think i'll switch to the original sharp rom |
| 20:38:19 | tboc | most of the opie stuff doesn't seem to work right for the zaurus |
| 20:42:53 | MacFlecknoe | tboc: then you dont have it mounted there |
| 20:45:08 | tboc | MacFlecknoe: now i wonder where all the files in /mnt/cf come from ... ;) |
| 20:45:22 | tboc | MacFlecknoe: no i think ipkg is broken somehow |
| 20:47:53 | tboc | MacFlecknoe: do you run opie on your z? |
| 20:52:11 | ljp | try -d cf |
| 20:52:33 | tboc | ljp: i did ... and it tried to install to internal flash |
| 20:52:38 | MacFlecknoe | anyone able to get 'su' to work for a regular user on the zaurus? |
| 20:52:49 | tboc | watched the space run down with df |
| 20:52:52 | MacFlecknoe | i added reg user to wheel group but it doesnt work |
| 20:54:05 | MacFlecknoe | and has anyone else nixed the reg taurus progs from running on boot? like addresbook? |
| 20:54:32 | tboc | everything i tried with opie except flashing the OZ rom failed :/ |
| 20:55:05 | tboc | enough for today ... gn8 |
| 20:56:39 | vilmund | MacFlecknoe I believe you can simply click-and-hold the icon for an application in the "Applications" tab and un-check the "Fast-Load" option |
| 20:58:26 | MacFlecknoe | vilmund: good tip... thx |
| 20:58:50 | vilmund | not that my Z has quite arrived yet but I've been readin' and anticipatin' hehe |
| 20:59:48 | MacFlecknoe | well iut works... they dissapeared from my top list |
| 20:59:56 | vilmund | cool |
| 21:06:35 | Mac-a-gogo | woohoo |
| 21:07:34 | | netamp was last seen on #zaurus 37 minutes and 47 seconds ago, saying: Does anyone know any UK sites that sell them? [Sun Jul 7 21:29:47 2002] |
| 21:07:34 | darienm | ibot seen netamp |
| 21:32:38 | jmhodges | hey |
| 22:00:40 | W|GGL|T | hehe...some guy's running a home beowulf system |
| 22:18:55 | pr0xy | hey anyone alive |
| 22:38:36 | W|GGL|T | crap... |
| 22:38:40 | W|GGL|T | kergoth: you there? |
| 22:46:31 | W|GGL|T | nm |
| 22:48:00 | ][N-Flux | is back (gone 41:25:59) |
| 22:51:34 | W|GGL|T | great...kmail isn't working now |
| 23:04:08 | ljp | huh? whats up? |
| 23:49:42 | eNNoyeD | hi |
| 23:50:08 | jmhodges | hey eNNoyeD |
| 23:50:54 | eNNoyeD | hey is it possible to flash from an SD card or does it have to be a CF card? |
| 23:52:16 | jmhodges | dont think so |
| 23:52:27 | eNNoyeD | what do u mean? |
| 23:52:37 | jmhodges | i dont think you can |
| 23:52:41 | eNNoyeD | oh |
| 23:52:46 | eNNoyeD | that REEks |
| 23:53:06 | eNNoyeD | this device is rather expensive then. its very demanding on the wallet. |
| 23:53:28 | eNNoyeD | and they say opensource is best cause its free...blah |
| 23:53:29 | eNNoyeD | ! |
| 23:54:35 | jmhodges | dude.. 1) materials cost money b) its a good price for the power it has c) you should read up prior to buying accessories |
| 23:54:49 | eNNoyeD | ok hows $64 sound for a 128meg sandisk SD card? |
| 23:54:52 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 23:54:54 | jmhodges | 1,b,c |
| 23:54:56 | jmhodges | silly me |
| 23:55:01 | eNNoyeD | 1 b c, hahahaha |
| 23:55:14 | eNNoyeD | ya, $64 |
| 23:55:26 | jmhodges | eNNoyeD: but thats not a Z specific cost.. andwhy did you buy it w/o researching first? |
| 23:55:59 | eNNoyeD | because its a nice toy :) why did YOU buy it? |
| 23:56:32 | eNNoyeD | actually, i didnt buy it, i traded it for a clie n710c. |
| 23:56:48 | eNNoyeD | with some guy from new york. who knws, he probably stole it. |
| 23:57:00 | Pentad | Pricewatch.com has 128meg CF for $48.00. :-) |
| 23:57:34 | eNNoyeD | i got my CF the other day for $43 but i dont want CF no more, i want SD :) i already have 128meg cf. |
| 23:57:51 | treke|home | get a 512 compact flash :) |
| 23:58:04 | eNNoyeD | how much? |
| 23:58:10 | treke|home | probably too much |
| 23:58:12 | eNNoyeD | ya but CF occupies the slot dude. |
| 23:58:29 | eNNoyeD | i am trying to steer away for future (probably never) accessories |
| 23:58:40 | treke|home | is looking forward to 128mb MMC |
| 23:58:49 | eNNoyeD | mmc stops at 64 right? |
| 23:58:56 | W|GGL|T | damn....that Zaurus usenet group is kinda slow |
| 23:59:01 | treke|home | They have 128 |
| 23:59:05 | treke|home | just rare still |
| 23:59:08 | Pentad | Either way I would try pricewatch they have great prices |
| 23:59:13 | eNNoyeD | W|GGL|T: its probably your ISP |
| 23:59:22 | W|GGL|T | eNNoyeD: i dont think so |
| 23:59:33 | W|GGL|T | the group is inactive |
| 23:59:48 | eNNoyeD | ya thats how i found it. off or pricewatch.com. : http://www.cruxworks.com/cruxworks/showdetails.phtml?CRUXID=018744574826597ee6df248dd89971c9&pc=AKK56&cw=348256 |
| 23:59:50 | Pentad | which usenet group are you reading? |
| 23:59:52 | eNNoyeD | long url :) |
