| 00:01:34 | kergoth | shit, pub key auth fails too |
| 00:03:16 | whardier | wants to go to the pub |
| 00:03:21 | whardier | drink some key |
| 00:03:26 | whardier | and fail |
| 00:08:08 | treke|home | |
| 00:08:45 | Cloudchaser | well for everyone here from US. hope you all have a safe and happy independence day! |
| 00:09:33 | Cloudchaser | and Speedy2: sorry if i aggravated you.. wasn't my intention |
| 00:09:34 | treke|home | Cloudchaser: Did you see the ipkg for vnc I put up? |
| 00:09:40 | Cloudchaser | ooh no!! |
| 00:09:44 | Cloudchaser | i'll get it! ;) |
| 00:09:48 | Cloudchaser | and thank you! |
| 00:10:03 | treke|home | http://treke.net/downloads/opie-keypebble_0.9.1-20020703_arm.ipk |
| 00:10:06 | treke|home | enjoy :) |
| 00:10:22 | Cloudchaser | works with sharp rom too? |
| 00:10:32 | treke|home | Dont know. Should |
| 00:10:41 | Cloudchaser | hehe i'll let you know |
| 00:11:04 | Speedy2 | Cloud: I'm not aggravated or upset |
| 00:11:09 | Cloudchaser | ah good :) |
| 00:11:11 | treke|home | actually, I think I compiled it against the troll tech sdk out of laziness |
| 00:11:22 | treke|home | Opie takes way too long to build :) |
| 00:11:35 | Cloudchaser | i'll try it when i get home from the beach :) going to watch 2 towns fireworks! |
| 00:11:41 | Cloudchaser | one on each side of us :) |
| 00:11:43 | treke|home | hehe fun |
| 00:21:33 | kergoth | man im hungry |
| 00:21:36 | kergoth | cook faster damnit! |
| 00:21:43 | Speedy2 | Moi aussi |
| 00:21:46 | tux_mike | cooking a pot roast? |
| 00:23:18 | kergoth | nah, chicken |
| 00:23:26 | tux_mike | grilled? |
| 00:23:27 | kergoth | only 20 minutes, but i'm REALLY hungry |
| 00:23:31 | kergoth | cause i forgot to eat lunch |
| 00:23:35 | kergoth | yeah |
| 00:23:50 | tux_mike | usually only eats one or two meals a day |
| 00:23:57 | kergoth | me too |
| 00:24:01 | kergoth | unhealthy |
| 00:24:12 | kergoth | should really be eating like 6 small meals a day instead |
| 00:24:13 | kergoth | but oh well |
| 00:24:20 | tux_mike | not when you you get the proper nutrition |
| 00:24:42 | kergoth | even so, your body metabolises it better given a number of small meals rather than one large one :-) |
| 00:24:56 | tux_mike | these are small meals |
| 00:25:04 | kergoth | you still get enough calories? |
| 00:25:14 | kergoth | (and not from soda or beer :-P) |
| 00:25:20 | tux_mike | yah. i think i'm getting enough |
| 00:25:29 | tux_mike | i never feel bad |
| 00:25:32 | kergoth | i get way too many calories from soda myself |
| 00:25:56 | kergoth | I feel fine physically, but I dont think I could push myself the way i am now compared to if i was eating more regularly |
| 00:26:00 | tux_mike | i've been restricting my soda intake |
| 00:26:02 | kergoth | brb, gotta stir the food |
| 00:35:29 | warmi | re |
| 00:35:42 | Speedy2 | re |
| 00:36:32 | warmi | Speedy2 : not much going here ? |
| 00:36:33 | warmi | heh |
| 00:37:09 | tux_mike | hey warmi |
| 00:37:51 | warmi | tux_mike when are you going to watch fireworks ? |
| 00:38:08 | warmi | does the show start at 9 pm ? |
| 00:38:20 | tux_mike | i'm not, i don't want to go alone, and i don't really feel up to fighting the crowd |
| 00:38:29 | warmi | hehe |
| 00:38:31 | tux_mike | i'm gonna go to hamilton lakes tomorrow |
| 00:38:39 | warmi | yeah, makes sense |
| 00:38:46 | warmi | you could probably take metra or something like that |
| 00:39:06 | tux_mike | yah, but being low on cash doesn't help things :) |
| 00:39:20 | warmi | true |
| 00:39:41 | tux_mike | i do really want to go to the taste before it ends |
| 00:40:05 | warmi | hmm .. taste |
| 00:41:00 | warmi | bit too hot outside for that in my opinion |
| 00:41:15 | tux_mike | i think the weather is nice :) but then again, i'm nuts |
| 00:41:24 | Oriumpor | eh |
| 00:41:43 | tux_mike | but they say it's supposed to cool off a lot tomorrow |
| 00:41:53 | Oriumpor | fireworks are once a year... but that once a year is when kfog throws off 8 tons of fireworks in mid may : P |
| 00:41:54 | warmi | weather is nice , asuming the only thing sticking out of the water is your head .. |
| 00:42:39 | warmi | Oriumpor : I was actually talking about Taste of Chicago .... |
| 00:42:39 | tux_mike | heh, i'm not much of a swimmer. i cannot put my head under because of my ears |
| 00:42:55 | warmi | fireworks are not that bad .. it is not bad around 9 pm |
| 00:43:19 | Oriumpor | on the fourth i take my time to go to a firing range: write something nasty about the president and photo copy it and then scream obcenities at my neighboors with a bullhorn |
| 00:43:58 | tux_mike | that sounds fufilling |
| 00:44:00 | Oriumpor | I should probably include some religious ceremony ... but I get caught up swearing at my neighboors |
| 00:44:03 | warmi | yeah. that is certainly an unique way to spend the furth |
| 00:44:37 | tux_mike | wonders if there are any archery shooting ranges in the area |
| 00:44:51 | tux_mike | i would like to take up archery |
| 00:44:55 | Oriumpor | heh |
| 00:45:05 | Oriumpor | I guess us bumpkins got it made there |
| 00:45:34 | Oriumpor | 4$ and 2 bales of hay and I'm site |
| 00:45:38 | Oriumpor | er set |
| 00:46:23 | Oriumpor | kismet is puking on my asking for libpcap and ncurses... but I'm pretty sure I got em installed : ( |
| 00:46:45 | tux_mike | well, i could get some hay bales easy enough, and shoot in my back yard. i am up against a forrest that no one is ever in |
| 00:46:47 | warmi | ncurses you can just softlink |
| 00:46:58 | tux_mike | but it is risky. i don't want to hurt anyone |
| 00:47:09 | Oriumpor | tux prolly more risk of hurting yourself |
| 00:47:14 | Oriumpor | twang |
| 00:47:15 | Oriumpor | ouch |
| 00:47:27 | tux_mike | i'd get arm guards |
| 00:47:35 | Oriumpor | big ones |
| 00:47:47 | Oriumpor | with plastic protectors underneath |
| 00:47:57 | tux_mike | i have shot before without them a few years ago, and never hit myself with the bowstring |
| 00:48:20 | Oriumpor | then you shot a nice bow : P |
| 00:49:07 | tux_mike | actually they weren't that good |
| 00:49:22 | Oriumpor | eh |
| 00:49:27 | tux_mike | cheap fiberglass recurves |
| 00:49:38 | Oriumpor | recurve got the inlaid grip |
| 00:50:04 | tux_mike | i really only like recurves though. i'm not a fan of compound bows |
| 00:50:06 | Oriumpor | stops from holding it wrong |
| 00:50:19 | tux_mike | that is true |
| 00:50:20 | Oriumpor | ? |
| 00:50:39 | Oriumpor | compound bows are hard if you aren't used to em |
| 00:50:55 | Oriumpor | gotta use em every day or do reps a lot |
| 00:51:26 | Oriumpor | oz3 doesn't come with curses ... no? |
| 00:51:43 | tux_mike | i didn't say i thought they were hard. i said i don't like them :) i prefer the look and feel of a recurve |
| 00:51:56 | tux_mike | yah, it does, should be in /usr/lib or /lib |
| 00:54:47 | ljp_studio | but bows never come with ncurses |
| 00:54:47 | Oriumpor | baah |
| 00:54:50 | Oriumpor | friggen soft link |
| 00:55:07 | tux_mike | curses are after you miss the target :) |
| 00:55:39 | ljp_studio | yep |
| 00:58:02 | Oriumpor | this is really bugging m |
| 00:58:42 | Oriumpor | why does kismet keep saying it can't recognize eth0 |
| 00:58:53 | Oriumpor | i'm braindead right now |
| 00:59:01 | tux_mike | are you using OZ? |
| 00:59:04 | Oriumpor | yeah |
| 00:59:09 | tux_mike | it's wlan0 |
| 00:59:50 | Oriumpor | no such device on wlan0 |
| 01:01:24 | tux_mike | you sure? that's what it is on my prisim2 based card |
| 01:01:34 | Oriumpor | symbol |
| 01:12:10 | Oriumpor | how do you give ifup params in OZ?... it doesn't seem the same as reg linux |
| 01:12:34 | tux_mike | hrm... never did |
| 01:20:49 | Oriumpor | baah |
| 01:20:54 | Oriumpor | I still can't figure it out |
| 01:20:59 | Oriumpor | it won't let me define eth0 |
| 01:21:04 | Oriumpor | keeps saying it doesn't exist |
| 01:32:55 | Oriumpor | iface eth0 ??? ??? |
| 01:33:07 | Oriumpor | what do I need to set it right |
| 01:34:34 | Oriumpor | iang: you there ? |
| 01:37:22 | iang | am now |
| 01:37:31 | Oriumpor | lol |
| 01:37:35 | iang | what's up? |
| 01:37:35 | Oriumpor | I pull you out of a coma? |
| 01:37:41 | Oriumpor | trying to get ifup working |
| 01:37:50 | Oriumpor | I guess I''m just braindead |
| 01:38:19 | iang | The card is in and the spectrum_cs, orinono, hermes modules are loaded? |
| 01:38:30 | Oriumpor | yeah |
| 01:38:40 | iang | [But you're using a different kernel than the one I compiled against, right?] |
| 01:38:46 | Oriumpor | got the symlinks to libcap and everything else |
| 01:38:54 | iang | ifconfig -a says what? |
| 01:38:54 | Oriumpor | yeah oz3 |
| 01:39:24 | Oriumpor | it isn't in prom mode |
| 01:39:43 | iang | Huh? What's prom mode? |
| 01:39:50 | Oriumpor | promiscuous |
| 01:40:01 | iang | Ah. But eth0 shows up? |
| 01:40:11 | Oriumpor | yeah\ |
| 01:40:18 | Oriumpor | no ip |
| 01:40:23 | iang | Note that monitor mode doesn't in fact put the card into promiscuous mode. |
| 01:40:31 | Oriumpor | true |
| 01:40:38 | Oriumpor | just stating |
| 01:40:38 | iang | Is eth0 up? |
| 01:40:42 | iang | Even with no IP? |
| 01:41:02 | Oriumpor | yup |
| 01:41:04 | Oriumpor | no ip |
| 01:41:20 | iang | OK, so what's the problem? You're trying to get "ifup" to work? |
| 01:41:34 | Oriumpor | when i run kismet it keeps btiching about ifup |
| 01:42:34 | iang | Huh? Certainly my kismet doesn't know about ifup. |
| 01:42:39 | iang | Are you using the OZ kismet? |
| 01:42:57 | Oriumpor | http://www.cypherpunks.ca/zaurus/socket.html |
| 01:43:03 | Oriumpor | the one off there |
| 01:43:25 | iang | Ah. It's running /etc/pcmcia/network, which I bet in OZ runs ifup. |
| 01:43:36 | Oriumpor | doh |
| 01:43:56 | iang | So you could edit /etc/network/interfaces to have an entry for eth0. |
| 01:44:23 | Oriumpor | i did... but how do I tell it not to use an IP? |
| 01:45:02 | iang | Don't bother; give it an IP. Say 10.0.0.2. |
| 01:45:30 | iang | You may as well fill in the correct values for your wireless network, though. |
| 01:46:33 | iang | All that having been said, kismet should still run, even if /etc/pcmcia/network returns an error. |
| 01:48:22 | extremis | hrm, openzaurus.sf.net doesn't seem to be responding for me |
| 01:48:41 | extremis | hrm, it is here |
| 01:48:41 | extremis | damnit |
| 01:48:54 | extremis | my zaurus isn't getting any packets back for some reason |
| 01:49:44 | Oriumpor | i'm getting opperation not supported on it now : ( |
| 01:49:51 | ACEDOG | are these just probs with the wireless socket adaptors? I bought one of the socket rj45 adaptors (waiting on it). |
| 01:50:19 | iang | Oriumpor: from a prompt, do "iwpriv eth0 monitor 2 1" |
| 01:50:50 | extremis | yay, it retried |
| 01:50:58 | extremis | ipkg is so cool |
| 01:51:15 | Oriumpor | invalid command : (( |
| 01:51:22 | Oriumpor | on monitor |
| 01:51:24 | extremis | 20:33:46.334942 10.69.2.74.1041 > 216.136.171.201.80: S 2484314032:2484314032(0) win 5840 <mss 1460,sackOK,timestamp 36179 0,nop,wscale 0> (DF) |
| 01:51:24 | extremis | 20:33:49.327258 10.69.2.74.1041 > 216.136.171.201.80: S 2484314032:2484314032(0) win 5840 <mss 1460,sackOK,timestamp 36479 0,nop,wscale 0> (DF) |
| 01:51:24 | extremis | 20:33:55.328075 10.69.2.74.1041 > 216.136.171.201.80: S 2484314032:2484314032(0) win 5840 <mss 1460,sackOK,timestamp 37079 0,nop,wscale 0> (DF) |
| 01:51:27 | extremis | neat, tcp retry |
| 01:51:35 | extremis | and openzaurus.sf.net isn't responding |
| 01:52:14 | iang | OK, do: "iwpriv eth0". Is "monitor" the last line? |
| 01:52:46 | Oriumpor | nope |
| 01:53:01 | iang | Then you don't have the right version of orinoco.o. |
| 01:53:22 | Oriumpor | doh |
| 01:53:32 | iang | It could be that OZ comes with a different one, and you're using that one. |
| 01:54:06 | iang | find /home/root/modules -name 'orinoco*' |
| 01:54:09 | Oriumpor | I gotta get all the crud on this pc to compile it |
| 01:54:37 | Oriumpor | someone told me the oz orinoco is good enough |
| 01:54:44 | iang | The right one is 62492 bytes long. |
| 01:54:48 | Oriumpor | doh |
| 01:55:08 | iang | Oriumpor: that's pretty unlikely; kergoth just earlier today asked where to kind the patches. :-) |
| 01:55:22 | iang | You can get the right ones on the socket.html page. |
| 01:55:32 | iang | !-2:s/kind/find |
| 01:55:53 | Oriumpor | but I'm gonna need to compile em right? |
| 01:56:01 | iang | No, probably not. |
| 01:56:14 | iang | Installing the ipk should be OK. |
| 01:56:33 | iang | The OZ kernel is pretty close to the standard one; with luck, it's sufficiently close. |
| 01:57:39 | Oriumpor | omg |
| 01:57:52 | Oriumpor | i've just got so many dmn socket drivers I thought I installed yours already |
| 01:57:58 | Oriumpor | brb |
| 01:59:19 | ACEDOG | you have me worried that I wasted $80 on that socket LPE CF+ adapter! |
| 02:00:29 | iang | ACEDOG: what's that? |
| 02:02:16 | ACEDOG | what's what? I bought one of the socket CF ethernet adapters. I'm waiting on it, but per your discussion, I'm concerned that it will work. (Sharp recommended it and a pretec model). |
| 02:03:04 | iang | We're talking about the wireless card, not the ethernet. |
| 02:05:03 | ACEDOG | You mean wireless ethernet. I didn't want to spend the money buying access points, so the rj45 looked good to me. |
| 02:05:07 | extremis | What are the implications of some ipk's failing to download and install when issuing ipkg install opie-upgrade? |
| 02:05:13 | extremis | do I need to do it all again? |
| 02:05:31 | extremis | I don't know what ipks failed |
| 02:05:33 | extremis | only that some did |
| 02:07:02 | iang | Oriumpor: how's it coming? |
| 02:09:34 | Oriumpor | i've hosed my wnic for the time being and I'm gonna go get a corona |
| 02:09:39 | Oriumpor | brb |
| 02:10:51 | Pentad | Hey could you get me one too? |
| 02:15:28 | Oriumpor | muhahaha |
| 02:15:28 | Oriumpor | fixed |
| 02:16:02 | iang | kismet works? |
| 02:16:22 | Oriumpor | nah |
| 02:16:29 | Oriumpor | but forund the problem with downloading |
| 02:16:39 | Oriumpor | beer makes fingers weaker but brain smarter |
| 02:17:34 | extremis | hrm, ipkg install opie-update fails alot |
| 02:17:41 | extremis | it can't find alot of ipks |
| 02:17:46 | extremis | and when it is done I'm missing icons |
| 02:17:47 | extremis | heh |
| 02:17:47 | extremis | neat |
| 02:18:44 | Oriumpor | here's |
| 02:18:47 | Oriumpor | ok.. |
| 02:19:08 | Oriumpor | how can I force an install of that package? |
| 02:19:11 | extremis | haha, "reboot: no such file or directory" |
| 02:19:16 | extremis | --force-reinstall ? |
| 02:19:23 | Oriumpor | tried |
| 02:19:25 | iang | Uninstall the existing one first. |
| 02:19:32 | Oriumpor | kismet-socket? |
| 02:19:47 | iang | socketspecdriver is the one you're dealing with now. |
| 02:20:20 | Oriumpor | yeah |
| 02:20:24 | iang | uninstall your current socketspecdriver package, then install the one from http://www.cypherpunks.ca/zaurus/socketspecdriver_0.3.4-2_arm.ipk |
| 02:20:45 | Oriumpor | it says some of the stuff in kismet-socket are interfearing |
| 02:21:16 | Oriumpor | I'lll just strip the tars and copy em |
| 02:21:23 | iang | ?? I don't have a Depends line in kismet-socket. |
| 02:21:58 | Oriumpor | it says they both provide debian-binary |
| 02:23:04 | iang | Huh? Isn't that a dummy file that ipkg is supposed to ignore? |
| 02:23:22 | Oriumpor | yeah |
| 02:23:31 | Oriumpor | which is why i'm not gonna try and figure it out |
| 02:23:34 | Oriumpor | : |
| 02:23:36 | Oriumpor | :p |
| 02:24:36 | extremis | so, is ipkg install opie-update supposed to remove 'reboot'? |
| 02:24:42 | extremis | and then not replace it? |
| 02:25:12 | extremis | I know the answer to this one :) |
| 02:25:16 | extremis | I'm just fishing for help |
| 02:25:59 | iang | is away: I'm busy |
| 02:27:50 | Oriumpor | still getting erros |
| 02:27:59 | Oriumpor | set freq down at the bottom |
| 02:28:23 | Oriumpor | failed to set up ui server |
| 02:28:32 | Oriumpor | is the first |
| 02:33:41 | iang | is back (gone 00:07:42) |
| 02:33:56 | ][N-Flux | is away: not here |
| 02:34:20 | iang | is away: I'm busy |
| 02:38:12 | extremis | groan |
| 02:42:53 | extremis | man openzaurus.sf.net is so flakey |
| 03:07:46 | W|GGL|T | http://www.linuxjournal.com//article.php?sid=5902 |
| 03:07:53 | Cloudchaser | hiya wigglet |
| 03:07:57 | W|GGL|T | hi Cloudchaser |
| 03:08:03 | W|GGL|T | got your msg earlier |
| 03:08:21 | Cloudchaser | i got an email back from one of the guys i sent in feedback issues |
| 03:08:28 | Cloudchaser | was kinda bummed |
| 03:08:36 | W|GGL|T | uh oh |
| 03:08:45 | W|GGL|T | what'd he say? |
| 03:09:23 | Cloudchaser | Margot, |
| 03:09:24 | Cloudchaser | We will be posting the list of fixes/enhancements on myzaurus.com with the ROM download sometime next week. thanks for your feedback. |
| 03:09:24 | Cloudchaser | arnold |
| 03:09:57 | W|GGL|T | damn....that's ALL? |
| 03:10:02 | Cloudchaser | yeah |
| 03:10:10 | Cloudchaser | and i wrote a really looong email |
| 03:10:15 | treke|home | They probably cant say anything |
| 03:10:18 | W|GGL|T | at least you got an email back |
| 03:10:46 | Cloudchaser | only because i asked for a list of fixes/enhancements so i could test for them |
| 03:10:53 | Cloudchaser | jason told me to ask them |
| 03:11:48 | Cloudchaser | oh well |
| 03:12:31 | extremis | hrm, it seems I can't use the .srom to c+d update |
| 03:12:40 | extremis | I wonder How I restore the sharp rom from OpenZaurus |
| 03:12:52 | W|GGL|T | from now on, if they want me to try software for them, im gonna require a changelog |
| 03:13:10 | Cloudchaser | yeah hard to test something if you don't know what to watch for |
| 03:13:17 | Cloudchaser | or what was supposedly fixed |
| 03:13:24 | W|GGL|T | extremis: did you rename the .srom by removing the '.srom' part? |
| 03:13:32 | Cloudchaser | so far its worse or no better than the one i had |
| 03:13:37 | W|GGL|T | Cloudchaser: yeah |
| 03:13:42 | nhudson | can someone help me figure out why my zaurus wont turn on? |
| 03:13:46 | W|GGL|T | its like playing roulette |
| 03:13:50 | extremis | W|GGL|T hrm, |
| 03:14:26 | extremis | I named it Romimage |
| 03:14:28 | extremis | without the .srom |
| 03:14:32 | nhudson | extremis: download the Ospack rom from http://myzaurus.com/downloads/Ospack i think |
| 03:14:36 | W|GGL|T | yeah, that wokred for me |
| 03:14:45 | W|GGL|T | i didnt even have to use ospack |
| 03:15:04 | W|GGL|T | if you use the C+D method, ospack isn't needed |
| 03:15:22 | nhudson | you just used the .srom? |
| 03:15:26 | extremis | yeah |
| 03:15:28 | extremis | and it didn't work |
| 03:15:29 | extremis | for me |
| 03:15:29 | nhudson | hmm |
| 03:15:30 | W|GGL|T | yep |
| 03:15:42 | nhudson | did work for me either I had to use the Ospack rom file |
| 03:15:49 | nhudson | then upgrade |
| 03:15:54 | W|GGL|T | as soon as i changed romimage.srom to romimage, it worked first try |
| 03:16:18 | nhudson | tries that to see if that will make his Z turn on |
| 03:16:20 | W|GGL|T | extremis: try the ospack then |
| 03:16:34 | extremis | its not at that url |
| 03:16:41 | W|GGL|T | doesn't hurt to try everything |
| 03:17:12 | W|GGL|T | hrmmm...lemme see if i can locate it |
| 03:17:36 | extremis | damnit, I wish your method would work W|GGL|T |
| 03:19:37 | extremis | found it |
| 03:20:10 | W|GGL|T | http://myzaurus.com/ROMupdate2.asp |
| 03:20:15 | W|GGL|T | doh...just saw you found it |
| 03:21:51 | Cloudchaser | haha my cat is climbing the walls after a moth :) |
| 03:24:31 | nhudson | crap my zaurus still wont turn on |
| 03:24:42 | nhudson | heh |
| 03:24:45 | nhudson | there it goes |
| 03:24:54 | nhudson | I should learn to bitch more oftem |
| 03:25:59 | nyargh | h4h |
| 03:26:18 | W|GGL|T | extremis: did it work? |
| 03:26:47 | extremis | still downloading... |
| 03:26:58 | W|GGL|T | dialup? :o) |
| 03:27:13 | extremis | no, my cf card crashed my laptop |
| 03:27:41 | extremis | there flashing... |
| 03:27:47 | extremis | then I'll do the upgrade to 2.37 |
| 03:28:02 | W|GGL|T | ok...then it worked |
| 03:28:25 | extremis | yeah, the old one, not 2.37 |
| 03:29:58 | nhudson | there is a new rom out? |
| 03:30:00 | W|GGL|T | that's ok...if it worked for the old rom, it'll work for the latest |
| 03:30:11 | W|GGL|T | nhudson: not an official release |
| 03:30:12 | W|GGL|T | yet |
| 03:30:22 | nhudson | ahh ok cool |
| 03:34:44 | extremis | ok, flashing to 2.37 |
| 03:34:55 | extremis | recovery almost complete |
| 03:35:49 | Cloudchaser | has anyone tried 2.37 with windows xp yet? |
| 03:36:02 | W|GGL|T | i have |
| 03:36:10 | Cloudchaser | any noticable differences? |
| 03:36:43 | W|GGL|T | seems to connect to the Z quicker |
| 03:37:23 | Cloudchaser | how bout anyone besides me and W|GGL|T try it on linux? |
| 03:38:08 | nhudson | where can I get it from and I can try it out? |
| 03:41:07 | W|GGL|T | crap...i forgot the url |
| 03:41:14 | W|GGL|T | can you accept dcc? |
| 03:41:24 | W|GGL|T | and do you have broadband? |
| 03:41:30 | Cloudchaser | http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/files/5500CD-062402.ZIP |
| 03:41:38 | W|GGL|T | there ya go |
| 03:41:39 | W|GGL|T | hehe |
| 03:46:26 | Cloudchaser | nhudson: if you would.. try ftp to z from linux |
| 03:46:32 | treke|home | hey, anyone here use stash? |
| 03:46:36 | Cloudchaser | we both had trouble with that' |
| 03:46:40 | Cloudchaser | heya treke |
| 03:46:50 | Cloudchaser | what's stash? |
| 03:46:55 | nhudson | k im downloading it now its going to take a while |
| 03:47:05 | treke|home | qpe financial program that is stalled |
| 03:47:32 | nhudson | good god its 40 megs :) |
| 03:47:45 | nhudson | it going to take a while |
| 03:47:47 | Cloudchaser | nhudson: you'll need 17 mb free on z and you can use usb to install it |
| 03:47:57 | Cloudchaser | ah it contains the whole cdrom |
| 03:48:06 | treke|home | its like kaptial |
| 03:48:07 | Cloudchaser | and you'll need to install the qtopia desktop |
| 03:48:17 | nhudson | ok cool |
| 03:48:18 | Cloudchaser | again for windows |
| 03:48:25 | Cloudchaser | no new one for linux |
| 03:48:34 | nhudson | yeah I have qtopia-desktop already installed |
| 03:48:35 | Cloudchaser | but the existing one seemed to work |
| 03:50:51 | Cloudchaser | my qtopia desktop is wonkier with 2.37 (windows 2000) |
| 03:51:09 | Cloudchaser | it works.. doesn't work.. works.. doesn't work |
| 03:52:26 | Cloudchaser | stupid thing |
| 03:52:29 | Cloudchaser | grrr |
| 03:52:54 | Cloudchaser | flashes on and off |
| 03:54:34 | Cloudchaser | treke: installing your vnc ;) |
| 03:56:53 | Cloudchaser | wow |
| 03:56:57 | Cloudchaser | that's awesome! |
| 03:57:08 | Cloudchaser | put in ip address and password and voila! |
| 03:57:12 | Cloudchaser | no fussing! |
| 03:58:20 | Cloudchaser | yahoo!!! |
| 03:58:28 | Cloudchaser | and it saves ip address to list! |
| 03:58:36 | Cloudchaser | treke you are awesome! |
| 04:00:04 | Cloudchaser | treke fixed vnc keypebble! |
| 04:03:06 | alan6101 | what did you do to keypebble? |
| 04:03:51 | Cloudchaser | he made it so it works! and it saves your settings |
| 04:04:01 | Cloudchaser | he made defaults so it works.. 8 bit, display 0 |
| 04:04:09 | W|GGL|T | i guess i'll just have to redownload keypebble :o) |
| 04:04:22 | Cloudchaser | treke where'd you post it? |
| 04:05:36 | Cloudchaser | he gave me link earlier.. met me see if i have it |
| 04:05:56 | Cloudchaser | have to search through log.. |
| 04:06:25 | Cloudchaser | pokes treke |
| 04:06:33 | Cloudchaser | is it ok if i post that link to it? |
| 04:06:48 | darienm | http://treke.net/downloads/opie-keypebble_0.9.1-20020703_arm.ipk |
| 04:06:57 | darienm | too late :) |
| 04:06:57 | Cloudchaser | :) |
| 04:07:01 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
| 04:07:11 | darienm | If its been said here, I have a record of it. |
| 04:07:20 | darienm | is constantly logging. |
| 04:07:25 | Cloudchaser | me too |
| 04:07:41 | Cloudchaser | just had restarted irc so i'd have had to go looking for it |
| 04:08:07 | darienm | we should have bot running that can sift thru 10 days worth of logs. |
| 04:08:55 | darienm | which irc client do you use? |
| 04:09:02 | Cloudchaser | mirc |
| 04:09:08 | darienm | * cough * sorry |
| 04:09:09 | treke|home | Cloudchaser: Next on my list of things to look at was stash :) |
| 04:09:24 | Cloudchaser | ;) i don't know that one yet |
| 04:09:59 | treke|home | Cloudchaser: Its nice, the author just doesnt seem to have time to work on it. No updates for a couple months |
| 04:10:02 | | darienm: sorry... |
| 04:10:02 | darienm | ibot stash |
| 04:10:06 | darienm | :( |
| 04:10:19 | | wish i knew, darienm |
| 04:10:19 | darienm | ibot what is stash |
| 04:10:22 | treke|home | http://jamesconrad.org/stash/ |
| 04:10:29 | | OK, treke|home. |
| 04:10:29 | treke|home | ibot stash is http://jamesconrad.org/stash/ |
| 04:11:35 | darienm | ugh |
| 04:12:17 | treke|home | I take it stash doesnt strike your fancy :) |
| 04:12:33 | Cloudchaser | when you're done i'll try it out :) |
| 04:12:37 | darienm | um... looks horrid (from a simplicity point of view) |
| 04:12:48 | Cloudchaser | i don't have much money to keep track of |
| 04:12:59 | treke|home | darienm: Well It seems better than starting from scratch |
| 04:13:11 | treke|home | Cloudchaser: I'm hoping I will if I start keeping track :) |
| 04:13:26 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
| 04:13:30 | darienm | perhaps I'm just not aware of its main purpose... "Stash is a program designed to help you _____ " |
| 04:14:56 | darienm | I mean, is it just an electronic checking register? |
| 04:15:15 | darienm | and it runs some reports.... |
| 04:15:24 | treke|home | reports seem unimplemented |
| 04:15:49 | br33zy | Sweet.. |
| 04:15:52 | br33zy | okay |
| 04:15:52 | br33zy | hi |
| 04:16:05 | darienm | hello |
| 04:16:06 | br33zy | i have some problems with setting up a qt dev environment.. |
| 04:16:08 | br33zy | hi |
| 04:16:10 | br33zy | first thing |
| 04:16:13 | br33zy | I have devfs |
| 04:16:20 | br33zy | (i already compiled everything..) |
| 04:16:26 | br33zy | and I dont have /dev/fb0 |
| 04:16:34 | darienm | You might want to make sure someone here can help you before you run out of breath. |
| 04:16:37 | br33zy | so I cant run any qpe/qt app because they all want /dev/fb0 |
| 04:16:42 | br33zy | oh ok |
| 04:16:47 | darienm | its pretty late at nite in some parts of the world. |
| 04:16:55 | br33zy | oh.. |
| 04:17:00 | br33zy | well, can you help me? |
| 04:17:02 | treke|home | br33zy: : use QVFB |
| 04:17:03 | darienm | no |
| 04:17:10 | | feeds is listed at http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds |
| 04:17:10 | W|GGL|T | ibot feeds |
| 04:17:22 | Cloudchaser | me either.. not a developer |
| 04:17:22 | br33zy | wowa |
| 04:17:55 | br33zy | okay |
| 04:17:59 | br33zy | I just ran qvfb |
| 04:18:04 | br33zy | now how do I run qpe under qvfb |
| 04:18:05 | treke|home | now run qpe |
| 04:18:19 | | i think feed is a package repository or http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds or http://www.zauruszone.com/feed/ or http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/ for OpenZaurus |
| 04:18:19 | W|GGL|T | ibot feed |
| 04:19:39 | darienm | wants to be a developer..... |
| 04:19:57 | br33zy | treke|home: another problem, when I run something it gives me something like, undifined symbol 0QPEToolBarP11QMainWindowPCc |
| 04:20:00 | Cloudchaser | me too but i don't know enough |
| 04:20:08 | treke|home | dances around chanting developers! developers! Developers! |
| 04:20:20 | Cloudchaser | bows to Developers! |
| 04:20:24 | darienm | I know enough about other platforms... but will have to start at square zero on qtopia |
| 04:20:34 | ljp_studio | br33zy: you are using the sdk arent you? |
| 04:20:40 | br33zy | am i? |
| 04:20:43 | br33zy | im using Qtopia stuff. |
| 04:20:51 | br33zy | that I downloaded from an rpm.. |
| 04:20:51 | ljp_studio | from trolltech? |
| 04:20:55 | br33zy | nope |
| 04:20:56 | br33zy | from |
| 04:20:58 | ljp_studio | hmmm.. what version? |
| 04:21:12 | br33zy | wait.. |
| 04:21:24 | ljp_studio | cause that error was in qtopia sdk1 |
| 04:21:35 | br33zy | yeah |
| 04:21:38 | br33zy | from trolltech |
| 04:21:50 | br33zy | the |
| 04:21:50 | br33zy | ftp://ftp.trolltech.com/qtopia/qtopia-free-1.5.0-1.i386.rpm |
| 04:21:53 | ljp_studio | get the latest version from trolltech and there will be no error like that |
| 04:22:09 | br33zy | isnt 1.5 the latest version? |
| 04:22:11 | ljp_studio | I think 3 is latest |
| 04:22:15 | br33zy | ahh |
| 04:22:18 | ljp_studio | 1.5.0-3 |
| 04:22:31 | ljp_studio | I think it should be there |
| 04:22:35 | br33zy | oh |
| 04:22:36 | br33zy | i see |
| 04:23:07 | ljp_studio | :D |
| 04:23:08 | br33zy | how about this |
| 04:23:09 | br33zy | qtopia-free-3.0.0-snapshot-20020704.tar.gz |
| 04:23:16 | treke|home | no |
| 04:23:25 | br33zy | qtopia-free-1.5.0-snapshot-20020704.tar.gz |
| 04:23:26 | br33zy | this? |
| 04:23:31 | treke|home | look for qtopia-free-1.5.0-3.i386.rpm |
| 04:23:46 | br33zy | dont see it |
| 04:24:08 | br33zy | just 1.5.0-1 |
| 04:24:10 | br33zy | in the ftp |
| 04:24:15 | br33zy | at |
| 04:24:16 | br33zy | ftp://ftp.trolltech.com/qtopia/ |
| 04:24:20 | treke|home | hmm, -1 is what I'm using. odd |
| 04:24:22 | whardier | I need C help |
| 04:24:24 | whardier | struct uml_net devices[MAX_UML_NETDEV] = { |
| 04:24:24 | whardier | [ 0 ... MAX_UML_NETDEV - 1 ] = |
| 04:24:24 | whardier | { |
| 04:24:24 | whardier | dev: NULL, |
| 04:24:24 | whardier | user: NULL, |
| 04:24:25 | whardier | kern: NULL, |
| 04:24:27 | whardier | private_size: 0, |
| 04:24:29 | whardier | } |
| 04:24:31 | whardier | }; |
| 04:24:35 | whardier | what the hell is that? |
| 04:24:52 | br33zy | treke|home: maybe I should _compile_ it |
| 04:25:04 | Cloudchaser | hiya whardier :) |
| 04:25:09 | br33zy | ljp_studio: should I just grab the snapshot |
| 04:26:46 | ljp_studio | its a struct |
| 04:26:52 | whardier | I got that much |
| 04:26:53 | whardier | heh |
| 04:26:57 | whardier | I just wonder what the hell it all means |
| 04:27:07 | ljp_studio | br33zy: no the snapshots are qtopia 3.. you want 1.5.0-3 |
| 04:27:17 | tux_mike | wow... it's up to 13.6k |
| 04:27:36 | tux_mike | this is a large header file :) |
| 04:27:44 | br33zy | ljp_studio: do you know where I can get it? |
| 04:28:03 | ljp_studio | isn't it on the trolltech ftp? |
| 04:28:27 | br33zy | nope |
| 04:29:05 | ljp_studio | hmmm.. no wonder that the free one |
| 04:29:53 | ljp_studio | if you have more than a modem, you could grab the qtopia cvs at sf and compile that |
| 04:30:02 | br33zy | i have cable |
| 04:30:11 | br33zy | okay |
| 04:30:19 | br33zy | ill cvs it off there |
| 04:30:31 | ljp_studio | I cant believe that rv3 isnt on there.. |
| 04:31:33 | ljp_studio | the version with that error in it caused a few developers to get disgruntled... |
| 04:32:15 | br33zy | ill just co qpe |
| 04:32:20 | br33zy | and compile all that crap.. |
| 04:32:21 | br33zy | again. |
| 04:32:37 | ljp_studio | whardier: where'd you get that weird struct? |
| 04:32:51 | whardier | 1from some user mode linux drivers |
| 04:32:52 | W|GGL|T | where do i grab OZ beta 10.1? its not showing at the OZ page (looking at the dates of the files) |
| 04:32:54 | topeira | hi you guys |
| 04:32:55 | whardier | this is beyond me |
| 04:32:56 | W|GGL|T | all is old |
| 04:32:59 | whardier | so I am gonna lay down |
| 04:33:00 | whardier | heh |
| 04:33:10 | apostle | hey, have any of you guys had problems getting the zaurus to get internet connectivity with the usb cradle through windows? |
| 04:33:18 | ljp_studio | flash oz b10, and update from the feed |
| 04:33:35 | ljp_studio | or wait for kergoth to get his dev box going |
| 04:33:42 | W|GGL|T | ahhh |
| 04:33:49 | topeira | again talking 'bout the GBA emu for Zaurus |
| 04:34:08 | W|GGL|T | then i assume there's no fix for syncing OZ beta 10 with XP |
| 04:34:16 | W|GGL|T | i'll pass then :o) |
| 04:34:25 | topeira | is the Snes cpu more powerful than GBA one? |
| 04:34:27 | ljp_studio | huh? |
| 04:34:45 | ljp_studio | oz syncs fine with win2k |
| 04:34:49 | treke|home | topeira: The GBA is more powerful |
| 04:35:02 | W|GGL|T | last i checked, it wouldn't sync with XP at ALL |
| 04:35:07 | W|GGL|T | musta tried it 20 times |
| 04:35:11 | ljp_studio | W|GGL|T: do you have the winxp firewall running? |
| 04:35:15 | W|GGL|T | nope |
| 04:35:27 | topeira | treke|home: so i mean it's more difficult to get GBA emu working on Zaurus.... |
| 04:35:32 | topeira | right? |
| 04:35:51 | treke|home | right |
| 04:35:54 | ljp_studio | one time, I had to uninstall, and install the usb devices on win2k |
| 04:36:07 | treke|home | GBA is something like a 16MHZ arm or something of the sort |
| 04:36:13 | topeira | :/ |
| 04:36:18 | W|GGL|T | ljp_studio: but, once i reinstalled the Sharp ROM, it worked fine |
| 04:36:33 | tux_mike | topeira: theoretically you can do most of the GBA instructions directly on the Zaurus, since they are both ARM processors |
| 04:36:33 | ljp_studio | did you run the security app? |
| 04:36:40 | W|GGL|T | yes |
| 04:36:56 | W|GGL|T | selected the correct ip range |
| 04:36:57 | ljp_studio | send me your winxp box.. I'll get it working |
| 04:36:59 | tux_mike | you only need to emulate unimplemented things in the SA-1100, and the Video/Sound hardware |
| 04:37:22 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 04:37:31 | ljp_studio | W|GGL|T: intelsync? |
| 04:37:35 | W|GGL|T | QD |
| 04:37:44 | ljp_studio | ;/ hmmm |
| 04:37:54 | W|GGL|T | one of these days, i'll try it again |
| 04:37:59 | topeira | tux_mike: the GB proc is an ARM too? |
| 04:38:07 | W|GGL|T | can't seem to stay away from OZ :-)~~~ |
| 04:38:07 | ljp_studio | what rom? |
| 04:38:12 | tux_mike | topeira: GBA |
| 04:38:15 | ljp_studio | what sharp rom? |
| 04:38:30 | W|GGL|T | me? |
| 04:38:33 | tux_mike | it's an ARM7. there are a few things in it that arent int the SA-1100 |
| 04:38:33 | ljp_studio | yes |
| 04:38:41 | tux_mike | or, so i have been told |
| 04:38:41 | W|GGL|T | im running 2.37 right now |
| 04:38:51 | topeira | tux_mike: the GB... |
| 04:39:02 | topeira | is an arm too? |
| 04:39:13 | treke|home | thats a z80 I think |
| 04:39:16 | tux_mike | GB is Z80 |
| 04:39:23 | tux_mike | slightly custom |
| 04:39:24 | ljp_studio | ya.. they may have changed the drivers a bit,, and haven't yet relesed the driver code ??(guess) |
| 04:39:33 | br33zy | i always get confused with Z80 |
| 04:39:35 | br33zy | whats Z80? |
| 04:39:42 | treke|home | br33zy: A 16bit cpu |
| 04:39:46 | tux_mike | processor made by Zilog. |
| 04:39:46 | W|GGL|T | brb...ice cream time!! |
| 04:39:48 | br33zy | okay.. |
| 04:39:56 | br33zy | Zilog, thats the company |
| 04:39:56 | topeira | br33zy: a processor |
| 04:39:58 | ljp_studio | like a 240z but smaller |
| 04:40:00 | topeira | :] |
| 04:40:09 | br33zy | k |
| 04:40:29 | treke|home | Z80 its just the processors name |
| 04:40:42 | br33zy | right. |
| 04:41:03 | topeira | it'd be wonderful to play SpiderMan |
| 04:41:10 | topeira | on Zaurus |
| 04:41:13 | tux_mike | didn't zilog go ka-put? |
| 04:41:17 | topeira | :] |
| 04:41:35 | Wembly | gba is arm? |
| 04:41:48 | treke|home | topeira: There is an almost usable gbc emulator |
| 04:41:52 | treke|home | Wembly: yup |
| 04:41:55 | Wembly | spiffs |
| 04:42:28 | topeira | treke: but it's gbc and not gba |
| 04:42:31 | topeira | :] |
| 04:42:41 | treke|home | topeira: Well it's usable and gba isnt :) |
| 04:43:01 | tux_mike | topeira: what's GBC? |
| 04:43:03 | topeira | treke: running on zaurus? |
| 04:43:08 | treke|home | topeira: Yes |
| 04:43:20 | topeira | GameBoyColor |
| 04:43:26 | tux_mike | i know that |
| 04:43:28 | topeira | cool... |
| 04:43:42 | tux_mike | <topeira> treke: but it's gbc and not gba <- what did you mean by this |
| 04:44:31 | topeira | tux_mike: it's a gbc emulator and not a gba emu |
| 04:44:37 | topeira | : |
| 04:44:37 | topeira | :] |
| 04:44:42 | tux_mike | the one that's out there, you mean? |
| 04:45:15 | tux_mike | what someone has to do, is ask the makers of boycottadvance to make a port for the zaurus |
| 04:45:23 | topeira | tux_mike: you said that there was a gbc emu for zaurus... |
| 04:45:30 | tux_mike | yah, there is |
| 04:46:01 | topeira | tux_mike: yes... that's it... |
| 04:46:18 | topeira | i mean that it's not *so* difficult... |
| 04:46:31 | topeira | because there's a port of SDL for Zaurus... |
| 04:46:35 | tux_mike | they already have an SDL version |
| 04:46:48 | topeira | yes.. |
| 04:47:15 | Cloudchaser | well if there was a gba emu for z i'd use it ;) |
| 04:47:30 | topeira | i mean the problem is the speed... |
| 04:47:49 | topeira | at least... when i've tested the emu... |
| 04:47:50 | Cloudchaser | ah so it wouldn't work on z then? |
| 04:47:51 | tux_mike | well, speed isn't a problem if you can run the same arch. |
| 04:47:59 | topeira | on a 300mhz ADM k62 |
| 04:48:04 | br33zy | g++ -c -I/home/anteater/qt-2.3.2/include -pipe -DQWS -fno-exceptions -fno-rtti -O2 -Wall -W -fPIC -I/home/anteater/qpe/include -Ibackend -o backend/vcc_yacc.o backend/vcc_yacc.cpp |
| 04:48:04 | br33zy | backend/vcc.y: In function `void enterAttr(const char *, const char *)': |
| 04:48:04 | br33zy | backend/vcc.y:444: warning: `const char * p2' might be used uninitialized in this function |
| 04:48:04 | br33zy | y.tab.c: In function `int vccparse()': |
| 04:48:04 | br33zy | y.tab.c:1267: call of overloaded `vcclex ()' is ambiguous |
| 04:48:04 | topeira | it runs slow... |
| 04:48:05 | br33zy | backend/vcc.y:989: candidates are: int vcclex() |
| 04:48:07 | br33zy | y.tab.c:1228: int vcclex(...) |
| 04:48:09 | br33zy | y.tab.c:1548: call of overloaded `vcclex ()' is ambiguous |
| 04:48:13 | br33zy | backend/vcc.y:989: candidates are: int vcclex() |
| 04:48:15 | br33zy | y.tab.c:1228: int vcclex(...) |
| 04:48:17 | br33zy | y.tab.c: At top level: |
| 04:48:19 | br33zy | backend/vcc_yacc.cpp:3: warning: `char yyrcsid[55]' defined but not used |
| 04:48:21 | br33zy | backend/vcc.y:989: warning: `int vcclex()' defined but not used |
| 04:48:23 | br33zy | make[1]: *** [backend/vcc_yacc.o] Error 1 |
| 04:48:25 | br33zy | make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/anteater/qpe/library' |
| 04:48:27 | br33zy | make: *** [library] Error 2 |
| 04:48:27 | treke|home | br33zy: : quit flooding the channel |
| 04:48:29 | br33zy | sorry for the flood |
| 04:48:31 | br33zy | but i got an error |
| 04:48:33 | br33zy | ;-) |
| 04:48:33 | tux_mike | br33zy: stop! |
| 04:48:35 | br33zy | any ideas? |
| 04:48:38 | br33zy | i stopped.. |
| 04:48:55 | treke|home | tux_mike: Hopefully the Arm7 doesnt come with an fpu :) |
| 04:48:58 | tux_mike | topeira: but ARM instructions are very different than i386 |
| 04:49:03 | Wembly | treke: why? |
| 04:49:04 | tux_mike | treke: nope |
| 04:49:08 | br33zy | any ideas for the error? |
| 04:49:21 | treke|home | seems to be the common downfall of apps on the zaurus |
| 04:49:31 | topeira | tux_mike: i know... |
| 04:49:36 | Wembly | treke: i dont understand. |
| 04:49:55 | Wembly | treke: how is it the downfall of apps? |
| 04:49:58 | br33zy | treke|home: is that a common error? |
| 04:50:10 | tux_mike | topeira: if you were to even "emulate" an ARM cpu on an ARM cpu, you would see a decent amount of speed |
| 04:50:11 | topeira | when more powerful versions of Zaurus will be released? |
| 04:50:30 | tux_mike | anyone know if the x-scale has FPU? |
| 04:51:30 | br33zy | tux_mike: go look at the specs and diagrams of the x-scale, im sure intel has them somewhere. |
| 04:52:22 | treke|home | Wembly: having to either optimize floating point yourself or use slow emulated floating point code |
| 04:52:44 | treke|home | Wembly: Not a problem unless you are doing something floating point intesive |
| 04:54:25 | br33zy | how do I build rpm src packages? |
| 04:54:33 | Cloudchaser | somone posted about a cidr app (subnet calculator) I would love one of those for the z! |
| 04:54:57 | treke|home | br33zy: man rpm |
| 04:55:29 | Wembly | treke: what do you mean either optmize floating point yourself or use slow emulated ver? |
| 04:55:34 | Wembly | what is emulating it the kernel? |
| 04:55:42 | Wembly | or some library or what? |
| 04:55:42 | treke|home | Wembly: The kernel |
| 04:55:57 | Wembly | shouldnt the kernel be able to emulate it alot faster then your opmtized ver? |
| 04:56:53 | br33zy | treke|home: cant get it to build |
| 04:57:09 | br33zy | do you know off the top of your head? |
| 04:57:48 | treke|home | Wembly: You can probably do faster if you know that you only need a certain precision or that certain calculations are done most frequently |
| 05:00:22 | Cloudchaser | trekke: is there any sort of terminal program beside miniterm that could be ported to z? |
| 05:00:38 | Cloudchaser | i used to have one for my jornada i bought from ruksun...term force |
| 05:00:50 | SirPsycho-home | solaris terminal program is called tip.. dunno if you can get source to that tho |
| 05:00:59 | treke|home | Cloudchaser: Dont know. minicom is the only one I've used |
| 05:01:21 | Cloudchaser | i haven't used it.. i have it but am waiting for the serial cable |
| 05:01:25 | Cloudchaser | that works ;) |
| 05:01:31 | W|GGL|T | hehe |
| 05:01:32 | Cloudchaser | well that lets me use the keyboard |
| 05:01:41 | treke|home | I havent used it on a pda though |
| 05:01:52 | Cloudchaser | its the main reason i got the z ;( |
| 05:02:00 | Cloudchaser | to console into routers and switches |
| 05:02:01 | br33zy | does anybody here have the Qtopia 1.5.0-3 tar.gz still? |
| 05:02:43 | br33zy | anybody? |
| 05:03:21 | oriu|nick | Cloudchaser: make your own |
| 05:03:28 | Cloudchaser | cable? |
| 05:03:32 | oriu|nick | yeah |
| 05:03:34 | oriu|nick | get the pinouts |
| 05:03:46 | SirPsycho-home | pinouts are avail on the dev site in japan |
| 05:03:46 | oriu|nick | isn't it a straight usb port? |
| 05:03:48 | Cloudchaser | how bout the connector? |
| 05:03:54 | SirPsycho-home | that is the problem |
| 05:04:13 | oriu|nick | $$$ for another cradle |
| 05:04:20 | SirPsycho-home | connector is made by some company but nobody seems to carry it |
| 05:04:48 | Cloudchaser | i read somewhere a 3rd party was coming out with a serial cable |
| 05:04:56 | oriu|nick | i hope so |
| 05:04:58 | Cloudchaser | haven't seen any confirmation of that though |
| 05:05:11 | Cloudchaser | actually need 2 |
| 05:05:20 | Cloudchaser | 1 to connect to pc |
| 05:05:27 | Cloudchaser | and 1 modem-like serial cable |
| 05:05:42 | Cloudchaser | otherwise i would need gender changer and null modem |
| 05:05:48 | SirPsycho-home | i wonder if i would be able to plug the Z into my phone then =) |
| 05:05:54 | oriu|nick | tcpdump lets me configure routers : / |
| 05:06:02 | Cloudchaser | tcp dump? |
| 05:06:23 | Cloudchaser | how? |
| 05:06:37 | oriu|nick | yeah... I just plug it into my nic and find out what ip it's running on and telnet in... only problem is I gotta keep telnet open on inside interface |
| 05:06:52 | oriu|nick | same deal w/switches |
| 05:06:56 | Cloudchaser | i need console connection |
| 05:07:12 | oriu|nick | make a cable |
| 05:07:22 | oriu|nick | rip apart a cradle after you get the pinouts |
| 05:07:32 | Cloudchaser | i use my cradle |
| 05:07:41 | Cloudchaser | how much is spare? |
| 05:07:44 | oriumpor | I bet you can buy another one |
| 05:07:48 | oriumpor | :P |
| 05:08:10 | Cloudchaser | besides that's BS! |
| 05:08:10 | oriumpor | shoot... when'd ian log? |
| 05:08:16 | treke|home | pdas should come with two cradles :) |
| 05:08:23 | oriumpor | :P |
| 05:08:32 | oriumpor | nah ya'll just need IR everywhere |
| 05:08:44 | Cloudchaser | ummm |
| 05:08:55 | Cloudchaser | i need a working serial cable |
| 05:09:07 | Cloudchaser | that doesn't block the keyboard |
| 05:09:09 | oriumpor | yeah .,.. you need that... and when you get it email me |
| 05:09:10 | treke|home | I dont know anyone who has a pda who hasnt had to go buy a new cradle for work :) |
| 05:09:43 | Cloudchaser | i don't want to buy a new cradle to rip it apart and make a cable that SHOULD have come with the Z |
| 05:09:46 | oriumpor | treke CF usb adapter all I tend to need |
| 05:10:08 | oriumpor | Cloudchaser yeah sucks donuts |
| 05:10:23 | Cloudchaser | besides i don't know how to make one :( |
| 05:11:06 | oriumpor | the socket is still bugging the heck outa me... I can't get kismet_server --silent to start |
| 05:11:16 | oriumpor | everything else gravy |
| 05:11:22 | oriumpor | but as soon as I try that... nada |
| 05:11:36 | oriumpor | errors up the butt |
| 05:13:08 | Cloudchaser | http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/invboard/index.php?act=ST&f=5&t=1878&s=2c52bce636d25ae59977d8121dfdfe00 |
| 05:13:19 | Cloudchaser | maybe some suggestions there that might help you |
| 05:13:49 | oriumpor | http://www.cypherpunks.ca/zaurus/socket.html |
| 05:15:29 | oriumpor | I'm working on it... and I haven't been able to figure it out : ( |
| 05:15:35 | oriumpor | it's gotta be something I'm doing |
| 05:17:25 | oriumpor | ian was helping me out bigtime : P |
| 05:18:05 | Cloudchaser | i hope you get it going ;) |
| 05:18:12 | oriumpor | I'm really close |
| 05:18:31 | br33zy | treke|home: im having some trouble building the qpe apps, here: |
| 05:18:33 | Cloudchaser | i've been very lucky so far |
| 05:18:58 | Cloudchaser | mostly everything i've tried to do has worked (with some help sometimes) but mainly cause of my ignorance it didn't |
| 05:19:01 | br33zy | treke|home: stuff like: /home/anteater/qt-2.3.2/include/qbutton.h:73: candidates are: void QButton::setText(const QString &) |
| 05:19:01 | br33zy | make[1]: *** [qimpenprefbase.o] Error 1 |
| 05:22:40 | W|GGL|T | ok...night time for me |
| 05:22:49 | W|GGL|T | need to place 'catchup' on some sleep |
| 05:22:57 | W|GGL|T | later |
| 05:22:59 | W|GGL|T | is away: nite all...cya onna flipside! |
| 05:23:22 | Cloudchaser | g'night |
| 05:23:34 | Cloudchaser | i'm off to dreamland myself |
| 05:23:42 | Cloudchaser | thanks again trekke! :) |
| 05:25:49 | rev | hey, quick question... are there gestures in the Z Opera version like there are in the desktop Opera 6? |
| 05:25:55 | rev | (which would rule on a PDA) |
| 05:26:45 | br33zy | treke|home, you there? |
| 05:27:01 | treke|home | `no |
| 05:27:08 | br33zy | seriously |
| 05:27:13 | br33zy | do you know what my problem is? |
| 05:27:17 | treke|home | no |
| 05:27:25 | br33zy | in my compile error? |
| 05:27:32 | treke|home | no idea |
| 05:27:40 | warmi | what's the error ? |
| 05:28:05 | br33zy | /home/anteater/qt-2.3.2/include/qbutton.h:73: candidates are: void QButton::setText(const QString &) |
| 05:28:07 | br33zy | stuff like that |
| 05:28:53 | warmi | you are calling some QButton method wrong way |
| 05:29:07 | warmi | is this a class derived from Qbutton we are talking about here ? |
| 05:29:11 | br33zy | I didnt write the code |
| 05:29:29 | br33zy | its qpe-1.4.0 |
| 05:29:34 | warmi | oh |
| 05:29:49 | oriumpor | failed to setup UI server: TcpServer gethostbyname() failed: no such file or directory |
| 05:29:54 | treke|home | who would want to use qpe-1.4 :) |
| 05:30:02 | topeira | Cya! |
| 05:30:05 | br33zy | whats the latest? |
| 05:30:10 | treke|home | 1.5 |
| 05:30:18 | oriumpor | treke|home: any idea? |
| 05:30:52 | br33zy | where do you get 1.5? |
| 05:30:52 | warmi | br33zy: is this crosscompiling or just x86 ? |
| 05:31:00 | br33zy | uh |
| 05:31:02 | br33zy | no clue |
| 05:31:06 | br33zy | im compiling for x86 |
| 05:31:10 | warmi | yeah |
| 05:31:22 | warmi | then go to their ftp and download latest shapshot |
| 05:31:26 | br33zy | okay, warmi, just tell me where to get which is? |
| 05:31:28 | warmi | hold on one sec |
| 05:31:31 | br33zy | okay thnx |
| 05:31:45 | | i heard opie was the Open Palmtop Integrated Environment. More info can be found at http://opie.handhelds.org or in the #opie channel. or at http://www.opie.info or at http://www.opie.us or most important at http://www.opie.info |
| 05:31:45 | warmi | ibot opie |
| 05:32:16 | br33zy | huh |
| 05:32:38 | br33zy | qtopia-free-1.5.0-snapshot-20020704.tar.gz? |
| 05:33:07 | warmi | yeah |
| 05:33:23 | warmi | tht's what I used to compile my Qtopia enviroment |
| 05:34:01 | br33zy | and you need qt-embedded 2.3.2 |
| 05:34:02 | br33zy | right? |
| 05:34:20 | warmi | yeah |
| 05:34:42 | warmi | this URL will tell you how to compile qte embedded for use with qtopia |
| 05:34:44 | warmi | http://opie.handhelds.org/wiki/index.php3?BuildingQtForOpie |
| 05:34:58 | oriumpor | why must it do this to me |
| 05:35:12 | oriumpor | I know all I have to do is install the sharp image and it'll friggen work damnit! |
| 05:35:19 | oriumpor | but that's the easy way out! |
| 05:35:25 | oriumpor | I must be a stubborn ass! |
| 05:35:30 | warmi | oriumpor: what are you trying to do ? |
| 05:35:41 | oriumpor | get kismet to work with my symbol |
| 05:36:03 | warmi | uh .. that's nasty .. I don't want to even touch it :-) |
| 05:36:13 | oriumpor | yes |
| 05:36:18 | oriumpor | I love the dlink |
| 05:36:26 | oriumpor | symbol can kiss my harry white butt |
| 05:36:44 | W|GGL|T | hairy |
| 05:36:45 | W|GGL|T | heh |
| 05:37:07 | warmi | br33zy: why are yoy trying to compile Qtopia in the first place ? setting up dev enviroment ? |
| 05:37:49 | br33zy | yup |
| 05:38:11 | warmi | why not use precompiled RPM ? |
| 05:38:18 | oriumpor | no... his name is harry |
| 05:38:18 | br33zy | which |
| 05:38:30 | warmi | http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/howtos/linux_compiler_setup_howto.shtml |
| 05:38:44 | W|GGL|T | oriumpor: your butt's name is harry? |
| 05:38:44 | warmi | this how to tells you how to get it going |
| 05:38:49 | br33zy | the procompiled qtopia one? |
| 05:39:14 | warmi | yeah |
| 05:39:31 | warmi | basically how to get starting developing qt apps for the ZAurus |
| 05:39:45 | br33zy | because whenever I run somehting from it |
| 05:39:50 | br33zy | I get an undifined symbols error |
| 05:40:32 | oriumpor | I givv up ... |
| 05:40:35 | warmi | yeah, I used to use the precompiled one for a while unil I started having some weird problems but in my case my system was weird |
| 05:40:45 | warmi | so I had to compile it myself, just like you are trying now |
| 05:40:46 | oriumpor | resetting Z and it'll be back to a friggen sharp image |
| 05:41:12 | warmi | oriumpor: yeah ... long live Sharp's default crappy ROM |
| 05:42:08 | warmi | I am not touching OZ/Opie for another 2-3 months or so .. |
| 05:42:14 | warmi | not on my ZAurus anyway |
| 05:42:22 | warmi | I will play with it on x86 enviroment |
| 05:42:46 | br33zy | so warmi |
| 05:42:52 | warmi | br33zy: ? |
| 05:42:53 | br33zy | I just follow the instructions on that opie page |
| 05:42:56 | Cloud-Z | i will wait til 1.0 |
| 05:42:59 | br33zy | for a dev environment |
| 05:43:16 | warmi | yeah, you got to apply patches etc . it is all explained there |
| 05:43:41 | br33zy | yeah i applied that one patch.. |
| 05:43:42 | warmi | altogether we are talking here about hour or so to compile and get it going |
| 05:44:40 | br33zy | okay so after i compile the qt-2.3.2 stuff, I compile the qpe stuff? |
| 05:44:53 | warmi | yeah |
| 05:45:09 | warmi | br33zy: are you new to Qt ? |
| 05:45:15 | br33zy | very |
| 05:45:19 | br33zy | just got started today |
| 05:45:20 | br33zy | in fact |
| 05:45:25 | warmi | even desktop Qt ? |
| 05:45:28 | br33zy | i dont even have a zaurus yet |
| 05:45:30 | warmi | oh , ok |
| 05:45:31 | br33zy | I dont run kde |
| 05:45:32 | warmi | got you |
| 05:45:35 | warmi | how about Linux ? |
| 05:45:38 | warmi | in general |
| 05:45:43 | br33zy | 2 years |
| 05:45:45 | br33zy | or more |
| 05:45:50 | br33zy | its just _qt_ |
| 05:45:54 | warmi | so you can easily find your way around the system |
| 05:45:57 | br33zy | yup |
| 05:45:59 | br33zy | pretty much |
| 05:46:06 | br33zy | well maybe not 2 years, but you get my point |
| 05:46:11 | warmi | yeah |
| 05:46:25 | warmi | you know C++ .. how to compile etc right ? |
| 05:46:30 | br33zy | yup.. |
| 05:46:46 | br33zy | gcc -Wall -g something.c/cpp/... -o something |
| 05:46:48 | br33zy | yeah yeah.. |
| 05:46:50 | br33zy | g++ |
| 05:46:51 | br33zy | or err |
| 05:46:54 | br33zy | g++ for .cpp |
| 05:46:55 | br33zy | whatever |
| 05:46:57 | warmi | yeah, so just follow OPIE howtos and you should be fine |
| 05:47:02 | br33zy | okay cool |
| 05:47:03 | br33zy | thnx |
| 05:47:32 | br33zy | whats OPIE? |
| 05:47:42 | warmi | OpenSource version of Qtopia |
| 05:48:01 | warmi | based on the same code with some enhancements etc |
| 05:48:08 | kergoth | yawns |
| 05:48:09 | br33zy | cool.. |
| 05:48:09 | kergoth | re warmi |
| 05:48:21 | W|GGL|T | sets mode o+ jmhodges |
| 05:48:28 | jmhodges | heheh |
| 05:48:30 | jmhodges | hey W|GGL|T |
| 05:48:36 | W|GGL|T | hi |
| 05:48:37 | jmhodges | whats up everyone? |
| 05:48:44 | jmhodges | whats up with you W|GGL|T? |
| 05:48:45 | W|GGL|T | actually, im supposed to be in bed |
| 05:48:48 | warmi | re kergoth |
| 05:48:51 | jmhodges | hehe W|GGL|T |
| 05:48:57 | W|GGL|T | client is in away mode :o) |
| 05:49:46 | W|GGL|T | jmhodges: when you were using OZ, could you sync with XP (or 2000?) |
| 05:50:05 | jmhodges | W|GGL|T: i have one win2k part that i almost never used |
| 05:50:05 | kergoth | W|GGL|T: echo "1.1" > $HOME/systeminfo/linkver; |
| 05:50:07 | jmhodges | i dunno |
| 05:50:34 | kergoth | W|GGL|T: that'll let intellisync and shit work. it works though, i use it at work on my win2k box and here on xp |
| 05:50:56 | W|GGL|T | ok....damn...i need to write that down |
| 05:51:23 | jmhodges | pbbt.. whats the point of a linux pda w/o a linux pc :) |
| 05:52:55 | W|GGL|T | kergoth: and i just run that in a terminal? |
| 05:53:54 | kergoth | W|GGL|T: yep. i think it may be fixed in the feed already. if not, it will be shortly |
| 05:55:20 | W|GGL|T | ok...thanks alot |
| 05:57:18 | Speedy2 | re |
| 05:57:22 | Speedy2 | kergoth: you're up? |
| 06:03:20 | oriumpor | goign to kill this thing |
| 06:04:17 | oriumpor | jmhodges: zipslack has gotten pretty good I've heard : P |
| 06:04:31 | oriumpor | as has bigslack |
| 06:04:55 | oriumpor | not that it was ever bad... |
| 06:06:20 | jmhodges | oriumpor: zipslack? |
| 06:06:23 | jmhodges | bigslack? |
| 06:06:29 | jmhodges | um.. what? |
| 06:15:16 | oriumpor | google it |
| 06:15:27 | oriumpor | my woman's calling |
| 06:15:30 | oriumpor | :P |
| 06:15:35 | jmhodges | i did |
| 06:15:37 | jmhodges | oriumpor: ick |
| 06:16:07 | jmhodges | is running on src optimized for his arch.. thanks lunar linux! |
| 09:36:05 | asterick | Quick question, what wireless lan module (802.11b prefered) would you recommend? I'm thinking the netgear MA701. |
| 10:11:32 | Kappucho | Why this error "USB device not accepting new address=4 (error=-110)" when I put the Z in the cradle? |
| 10:11:42 | Kappucho | It seems it never accepts it. |
| 10:18:07 | Twiun | Morning |
| 10:18:49 | Kappucho | Hey ppl. |
| 10:19:09 | Kappucho | Why this error "USB device not accepting new address=4 (error=-110)" when I put the Z in the cradle? I want acceptance! :-) |
| 10:19:53 | Twiun | I usually get that if I plug my Z in when it's off... tried pressing the sync key? |
| 10:21:19 | Kappucho | I get that same message every time I press the sync. |
| 10:21:41 | Kappucho | should have gone with the ipaq instead. ;-) |
| 10:22:02 | Twiun | Obviously... return it ;-) |
| 10:22:07 | Twiun | I'm happy with mine |
| 10:22:31 | Kappucho | Twiun: because you don't want to use it in the manor I want. You probably just mope around, playing mine sweeper and scheduling appointments. |
| 10:23:11 | Twiun | It's true that we all have different needs. I use it for linux development, file transfer and onboard development |
| 10:23:43 | Twiun | Oh, and reading ebooks... but that's on the train |
| 10:23:48 | Kappucho | I can't figure out why I can't get the USB connection to work. |
| 10:24:19 | Twiun | tried rebooting your desktop? |
| 10:24:26 | Kappucho | How would one go about erasing _everything_ on it and then install a system? There isn't exactly a floppy drive to boot from. |
| 10:24:39 | Kappucho | Twiun: why would I need to reboot it? |
| 10:24:56 | Twiun | Kappucho: Why not try... works for windows ;-) |
| 10:25:25 | Twiun | seriously though, about making a new system, easiest approach is what Kergoth is doing |
| 10:25:34 | Kappucho | What is that? |
| 10:25:41 | Twiun | make a replacement ROM that uses jffs2 |
| 10:25:53 | Twiun | it's called OpenZaurus |
| 10:26:03 | Kappucho | jffs2... hmm. what's that? |
| 10:26:39 | Twiun | allows writing to the rom.... so there wouldn't be any read only filesystems |
| 10:27:23 | Kappucho | Twiun: yep. well. can one boot from regular media? network, floppies, etc? |
| 10:28:08 | Twiun | I doubt it... you'd probably have to have some kind of barebones kernel in any case |
| 10:28:43 | Twiun | but Kergoth is the person to ask |
| 10:29:03 | Kappucho | nevermind, I'll have to focus on one thing at a time! I can't even get the darn USB working. I will never figure out why they designed and implemented USB, it is obviously ten times more complicated than the old uart. |
| 10:29:33 | Kappucho | and without obvious benefits. |
| 10:29:36 | Twiun | I'd imagine because ip is more flexible than serial |
| 10:29:46 | Kappucho | ip? |
| 10:29:47 | Twiun | and also has higher bandwidth |
| 10:30:13 | Twiun | Internet Protocol... the layer TCP and UDP are on top of |
| 10:30:22 | Twiun | look it up |
| 10:30:29 | Kappucho | yes yes, but USB has nothing to do with IP. you can run IP on PS/2 and old COm ports too. |
| 10:30:43 | Twiun | at what bandwidth? |
| 10:31:00 | Twiun | and to be honest, quite a few PCs nowdays don't even come with serial ports |
| 10:31:10 | Twiun | usb/firewire is all the rage |
| 10:31:12 | Kappucho | and on the bandwidth, well, there are curcuits for the old boards that are "high performance", probable some hundre kB of transfer. |
| 10:31:28 | Kappucho | USB _is_ a serial port. |
| 10:31:40 | Twiun | afaik, serial is capped at 115200b/s |
| 10:31:55 | Twiun | usb is much higher than that |
| 10:32:03 | Kappucho | It's just a new stupid standard with strange, very small connectors and a lot of hype. |
| 10:32:22 | Kappucho | Twiun: there is nothing stopping manufacturers of the old serial ports to speed up. |
| 10:32:31 | Twiun | ok, rephrased: USB instead of 'old-style' serial 9/25 pin connectors |
| 10:33:08 | Twiun | Kappucho: I think there is, the point is moot however |
| 10:33:21 | Twiun | USB is what's there |
| 10:33:36 | Twiun | No point arguing after the fact |
| 10:33:44 | Kappucho | Yep. And it's not working very well for me at the time being. |
| 10:34:09 | Kappucho | usb.c: USB device not accepting new address=12 (error=-110) |
| 10:34:23 | Kappucho | found the same question in some mailing lists, but no answers. |
| 10:34:31 | Twiun | what driver is it trying to use? |
| 10:34:41 | Kappucho | USB serial generic. |
| 10:34:55 | Kappucho | I pressume, how can I find out? |
| 10:35:05 | Twiun | lsmod |
| 10:35:23 | Twiun | usbdnet should be in there somewhere |
| 10:35:27 | Kappucho | I have usbserial, usb-uhci and usbcore. |
| 10:35:39 | Kappucho | ah, you're talking about on the Z? |
| 10:35:42 | Twiun | no |
| 10:35:57 | Twiun | Z(usbd), desktop (usbdnet) |
| 10:36:13 | Twiun | do modprobe usbdnet |
| 10:36:20 | Twiun | on the desktop |
| 10:36:22 | Kappucho | http://www.ruault.com/Zaurus/ppp-usb-howto.html doesn't mention this module. |
| 10:36:39 | Twiun | why are you trying ppp? |
| 10:36:51 | Twiun | look at his ethernet-over-usb faq |
| 10:36:58 | Kappucho | Because it is far superior than running some experimental code I have no idea what it does. |
| 10:37:23 | Kappucho | In any case, just with the bare minimum USB modules it should at least accept a device. |
| 10:37:30 | Kappucho | Without any network support that is. |
| 10:37:33 | Twiun | then I can't help you. usbdnet works fine for me.... and to be honest big chunks of the linux kernel are experimental anyway |
| 10:37:43 | Kappucho | It's not the network part that's missing. It's the USB part. |
| 10:38:33 | Kappucho | Without having any usbdnet or ppp or any other network stuff, the USB device should at least accept a serial connection between the cradle and the PC, right? |
| 10:39:15 | Twiun | I would have no idea |
| 10:44:00 | Kappucho | And now it's starting to complain that /dev/ttyUSB0 "No such device"... again... :-/ I have no idea how I made it work before, I have the same configuration... |
| 10:45:13 | Kappucho | I'm going to reboot, dance around the office while chanting and maybe that actualy will help. |
| 13:26:28 | Kappucho | Someone here running Linux 2.4.x with USB support as loadable modules? I need to know what modules to load, can't get it working even though I've spent hours reading and trying. |
| 13:35:46 | ][N-Flux | is away: Blowing stuff up... |
| 13:37:48 | Kappucho | blowing a zaurus |
| 13:38:41 | ][N-Flux | blowing a zaurus? |
| 13:38:43 | ][N-Flux | ew |
| 13:40:19 | Kappucho | blowing up |
| 13:40:24 | ][N-Flux | thought so :) |
| 13:40:26 | Kappucho | demolishing, trampling, scrapping |
| 13:40:45 | ][N-Flux | noticed a new rom for the retail one, but not for the dev version |
| 13:40:54 | Kappucho | one might consieve it as physicly possible, but it both blows and sucks at the same time. |
| 13:43:07 | ][N-Flux | is away: Blowing stuff up, for real this time |
| 13:43:56 | Kappucho | do I need any other modules than usbcore, usb-uhci and usbserial to make my /dev/ttyUSB0 work? |
| 13:47:42 | W|GGL|T | is back (gone 08:24:42) |
| 13:49:47 | W|GGL|T | you need 'usbdnet' patched to the kernel in order for it to work |
| 13:50:50 | W|GGL|T | Kappucho: http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/linux_ethernet-over-usb-howto.shtml |
| 13:51:25 | W|GGL|T | it officially works with 2.4.17+ |
| 13:51:32 | ljp | http://www.opie.us/opie/devZone.php/usbdnet-standalone.tgz |
| 13:51:36 | Kappucho | W|GGL|T why would I need that to make USB work? no USB guide says it's needed. |
| 13:52:46 | W|GGL|T | Kappucho: you want to use your Z and cradle with Linux, right? |
| 13:52:49 | Kappucho | I don't want an ethernet connection, I only want the USB to work as the simple serial device it is. |
| 13:52:49 | W|GGL|T | that's how you do it |
| 13:53:20 | W|GGL|T | you are just trying to get your mouse to work? |
| 13:53:38 | Kappucho | no. the hardware connected in the other end of my USB cable is irrelevant. |
| 13:54:09 | ljp | the zaurus usb is client only, not host.. if that helps |
| 13:54:59 | Kappucho | well, I want to bind my PC getty to /dev/ttyUSB0, but it claims "No such device" even though usbcore, usb-uhci and usbserial are all loaded. |
| 13:55:42 | Kappucho | eventually I will use minicom on my Z to get a serial connection to the PC getty and login on it. |
| 13:55:53 | W|GGL|T | had no such problems...all he did was follow the instructions to the letter and things worked |
| 13:56:23 | Kappucho | well, I guess that's the problem with the Zaurus, it's only good if you intend to use it the way the people at Sharp tell you to. |
| 13:56:39 | Twiun[meeting] | Isn't that really always the case? |
| 13:56:44 | Kappucho | Nopes. |
| 13:57:04 | W|GGL|T | Kappucho: i'd think they know their own product better than most outsiders |
| 13:57:18 | W|GGL|T | of course they'll dictate how its supposed to be used |
| 13:57:33 | W|GGL|T | that's the case with ANY product |
| 13:57:45 | ljp | what are you intending on doing with the usb? |
| 13:57:49 | Kappucho | why? I can understand that for gaming consoles, but for PDA's one would expect higher quality than that. |
| 13:59:15 | Kappucho | ljp: initiate a regular, simple serial connection between my PC and the zaurus. |
| 13:59:21 | W|GGL|T | Kappucho: if you're not happy with it, return it |
| 13:59:56 | Kappucho | W|GGL|T got it for free from Sharp. I am to evaluate it's usability compares to other handhelds for some larger project. |
| 14:00:16 | Twiun | Then Sharp really are the best people to talk to about this type of problem |
| 14:00:25 | W|GGL|T | so, you think its an inferior product because you can't get a serial connection on it, eh? |
| 14:00:31 | Kappucho | but I can't get the USB working on my PC, I don't think that has anything to do with Sharp at all. |
| 14:01:12 | W|GGL|T | Kappucho: more like your distribution's kernel config or settings |
| 14:01:18 | Kappucho | W|GGL|T: let's put it this way: I wouldn't recommend the Zaurus as anything else than a nifty calendar. |
| 14:01:52 | Kappucho | W|GGL|T: yes, exactly. but there's nobody who knows what is wrong, including me. everything seems fine according to FAQs, howtos and docs. |
| 14:02:30 | W|GGL|T | Kappucho: you got XP/2000 on your system? |
| 14:02:42 | Kappucho | W|GGL|T: negative. |
| 14:02:46 | W|GGL|T | Kappucho: or a different distribution of linux? |
| 14:02:56 | Kappucho | W|GGL|T: I only use the best distribution; Debian. |
| 14:03:04 | W|GGL|T | that may be your problem |
| 14:03:05 | W|GGL|T | heh |
| 14:03:17 | W|GGL|T | slackware gave me no problems whatsoever |
| 14:03:22 | Kappucho | I don't think so. Enough people in #debian have working USB. |
| 14:03:31 | W|GGL|T | everyone but you |
| 14:03:36 | Kappucho | Yep. |
| 14:03:46 | W|GGL|T | so, that leaves the user at fault |
| 14:03:54 | Wintre | Kappucho: Which version of the kernel? |
| 14:03:59 | Kappucho | 2.4.18 |
| 14:04:03 | Kappucho | compiled from source. |
| 14:04:09 | Kappucho | with USB as loadable modules. |
| 14:04:10 | Wintre | Indeed, should be right from what I've heard |
| 14:04:41 | Twiun | wasn't there issues with UHCI/OHCI depending on motherboard chipset? |
| 14:04:44 | Kappucho | W|GGL|T: well, everybody keeps telling me "have you read that? have you followed that? well then it should work!", but it doesn't. |
| 14:04:45 | ljp | the zaurus isnt intended as a regular serial usb device |
| 14:04:59 | W|GGL|T | Kappucho: you been using linux long? |
| 14:05:06 | Kappucho | W|GGL|T: since 96 |
| 14:05:12 | W|GGL|T | i swear it isn't hard |
| 14:05:26 | Kappucho | I also found a bug in the 2.4.18 makefile. |
| 14:05:40 | Wintre | Do you have any working USB on your machine? |
| 14:05:43 | W|GGL|T | you have a usb mouse? |
| 14:05:45 | Kappucho | although it was easily fixed by making a few adjustments. |
| 14:05:52 | Kappucho | no other USB devices exist on this machine. |
| 14:05:56 | Kappucho | Wintre: no. |
| 14:06:18 | Wintre | Makes testing a little more difficult then |
| 14:06:21 | Kappucho | If someone's running Linux with loadable modules and has USB working, what modules are needed? |
| 14:06:30 | ljp | is usb listed when you do lsmod? |
| 14:06:40 | Kappucho | if it's compiled as module. |
| 14:07:17 | Kappucho | I'm not a Linux rookie. I've even written my own modules for new hardware, but this one's got me all puzzled. I'm even considering hardware failure. |
| 14:07:45 | ljp | what happens when you do depmod -a? |
| 14:07:56 | Wintre | Kappucho: It does sound like that's a possibility |
| 14:07:59 | Kappucho | ljp: nothing. |
| 14:08:21 | ljp | any usb modules listed when doing lsmod? |
| 14:08:28 | W|GGL|T | usb activated in the bios? :o) |
| 14:08:29 | Kappucho | can you guys redirect data to /dev/ttyUSB0 as you would to any other char device? |
| 14:08:42 | Kappucho | ljp: usbcore, usb-uhci and usbserial. |
| 14:08:52 | Kappucho | W|GGL|T: yep. checked. |
| 14:09:15 | ljp | I dont think the Z is intended as a regualr usb serial device |
| 14:09:37 | Kappucho | ljp: I still don't care about what hardware is connected at the end of my cable. I want the USB ports working. |
| 14:10:44 | Kappucho | Unless USB won't allow it. |
| 14:11:03 | Kappucho | Which could be the case. USB is one of the most half-arsed things invented since WAP, so that could very well be it. |
| 14:11:09 | ljp | does cat /proc/bus/usb say anything? |
| 14:11:16 | W|GGL|T | Kappucho: then damn....go get a usb mouse or something cheaper than the Z, then test your USB capability |
| 14:11:26 | Kappucho | W|GGL|T I don't have such a file. |
| 14:11:34 | W|GGL|T | what file? |
| 14:11:49 | W|GGL|T | ahhh..../proc/bus/usb |
| 14:11:52 | Kappucho | yep |
| 14:11:55 | Kappucho | wrong person. |
| 14:12:01 | W|GGL|T | that's a dir |
| 14:12:30 | Kappucho | I dont have it. |
| 14:12:38 | W|GGL|T | well, there's nothing in mine either :o) |
| 14:12:39 | Kappucho | I have pccard and pci in it. |
| 14:12:54 | Kappucho | so, that can be ruled out as a possible failure source. |
| 14:13:17 | Wintre | none on /proc/bus/usb type usbdevfs (rw) |
| 14:13:26 | Wintre | Hm, you might not need it, I suppose |
| 14:13:37 | Wintre | shuts up and gets to work |
| 14:13:40 | Kappucho | This is what happens when I insert the Z. |
| 14:13:48 | Kappucho | Dec 4 15:16:49 coke kernel: hub.c: USB new device connect on bus2/1, assigned device number 8 |
| 14:13:48 | Kappucho | Dec 4 15:16:49 coke kernel: usb-uhci.c: interrupt, status 2, frame# 1595 |
| 14:13:48 | Kappucho | Dec 4 15:16:49 coke kernel: usb.c: USB device not accepting new address=8 (error=-110) |
| 14:13:48 | Kappucho | Dec 4 15:16:49 coke kernel: hub.c: port 1, portstatus 103, change 0, 12 Mb/s |
| 14:13:48 | Kappucho | Dec 4 15:16:49 coke kernel: hub.c: USB new device connect on bus2/1, assigned device number 9 |
| 14:13:50 | Kappucho | Dec 4 15:16:49 coke kernel: usb.c: USB device not accepting new address=9 (error=-110) |
| 14:14:21 | Kappucho | I don't think the USB device CAN be used as PS/2 or COM ports... :-/ |
| 14:14:24 | W|GGL|T | what does 'lspci' say? |
| 14:14:49 | Kappucho | oh, I do have USB hardware... |
| 14:15:00 | Kappucho | VIA tech. |
| 14:15:03 | W|GGL|T | just wondering....gotta check everything |
| 14:15:16 | Kappucho | yep. |
| 14:15:20 | Wintre | It's pretty clear that there's communication |
| 14:15:21 | ljp | maybe you need usb-uhci alternative modules |
| 14:15:26 | Wintre | Oops, I shut up |
| 14:15:28 | Wintre | shuts up and gets to work |
| 14:15:37 | Kappucho | ljp. tried it as well. made no difference. |
| 14:15:45 | W|GGL|T | it would be really easier if you actually had a real usb device connected to your system |
| 14:15:52 | ljp | have you tried usbdnet? |
| 14:16:01 | Kappucho | Like I said, perhaps USB won't allow me to access it unless it has a valid device and module support for it on the other end of the cable. |
| 14:16:09 | Kappucho | ljp: I'm going to try it now. |
| 14:16:11 | W|GGL|T | you got another system on-hand? |
| 14:16:48 | Kappucho | nopes. |
| 14:17:15 | Kappucho | who gave me the link for the standalone usbdnet stuff? It's not a patch. Is it usable as a module? |
| 14:18:17 | ljp | http://www.opie.us/opie/devZone.php/usbdnet-standalone.tgz |
| 14:18:51 | ljp | yes, compile, stick it in with the other usb modules, modprobe it |
| 14:18:56 | Kappucho | It's not working. |
| 14:19:14 | Kappucho | The README says I'm supposed to see a new ethernet something in the logs, but there's nothing. |
| 14:20:28 | Kappucho | I do not have a new network device called usb0. |
| 14:20:34 | Kappucho | ljp: are you using it? |
| 14:21:23 | W|GGL|T | Kappucho> W|GGL|T: let's put it this way: I wouldn't recommend the Zaurus as anything else than a nifty calendar. |
| 14:21:25 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 14:21:45 | Kappucho | did you read that one just now? :-) |
| 14:21:48 | W|GGL|T | when you are finished and can communicate with your Z, maybe you can explain why you said that statement |
| 14:21:58 | W|GGL|T | no...read it earlier but scrolled up again |
| 14:22:06 | Kappucho | I can explain it right now. |
| 14:22:29 | Kappucho | ljp: what needs to be done after the module is loaded? something needs to be done prior to this? |
| 14:22:49 | Kappucho | W|GGL|T: it lacks fundamental capabilities to install a system from scratch. |
| 14:22:58 | W|GGL|T | well, you should fix your kernel or modules or whatever first, IMO...will make your evaluation more 'credible' |
| 14:22:59 | W|GGL|T | heh |
| 14:23:25 | Kappucho | W|GGL|T: well. how should I fix them? |
| 14:23:54 | W|GGL|T | i dunno what's wrong...all i know is MINE works fine....multiple installs :o) |
| 14:24:16 | W|GGL|T | install a system from scratch?? that's not mainstream |
| 14:24:19 | Kappucho | W|GGL|T: because you are a median user who use it only as Sharp wants you to use it. |
| 14:24:26 | Kappucho | W|GGL|T: PC is not mainstream? |
| 14:24:32 | W|GGL|T | Kappucho: that's how they designed it |
| 14:24:34 | Wintre | A PDA is not a PC |
| 14:24:39 | W|GGL|T | its not made as a 'cure all' |
| 14:24:52 | Kappucho | W|GGL|T: some PDA's are. |
| 14:24:59 | W|GGL|T | well this one isnt |
| 14:25:11 | Wintre | The Z is nice in that it's very hobbyist-friendly and it's amenable to having its software entirely replaced, but that's certainly not a design goal |
| 14:25:14 | Kappucho | W|GGL|T: which was the base of my earlier statement. |
| 14:25:23 | Wintre | PDAs are supposed to Just Work(TM) |
| 14:25:25 | W|GGL|T | Kappucho: that's not a flaw |
| 14:25:39 | Wintre | They're not supposed to need the amount of work and effort a PC does |
| 14:25:51 | Kappucho | Wintre: according to what specifications? |
| 14:26:00 | W|GGL|T | just because it doesn't meet YOUR needs, doesn't mean the product is flawed |
| 14:26:08 | Cloudchaser | 'mornin |
| 14:26:15 | Wintre | Kappucho: Which statement are you questioning? |
| 14:26:21 | W|GGL|T | you'll need to find a pda that'll have some chance of doing what you expect it to do |
| 14:26:31 | Kappucho | W|GGL|T: I never said the products flawed, I said it's not good for much more than a nifty calendar. |
| 14:26:50 | Kappucho | like a palm pilot or whatever. |
| 14:26:58 | W|GGL|T | Kappucho: which sounds like you are ridiculing it....a flaw |
| 14:27:05 | Cloudchaser | i find it much more useful than a calender |
| 14:27:25 | W|GGL|T | same here...much much more capable than my Visor |
| 14:27:28 | Kappucho | W|GGL|T: why would I ridicule a calendar? I use one, happens to be paper, but still. |
| 14:27:52 | Kappucho | W|GGL|T: let's just say I had hopes that the Zaurus would be more than just another one of those Palm Pilot wannabes. |
| 14:28:28 | Wintre | Kappucho: Er, because you find it difficult to install a new distribution on the Z, you think it's a Palm wannabe? |
| 14:28:37 | W|GGL|T | Kappucho: i think you are in a minority on that one....#palm may agree with you tho |
| 14:28:56 | W|GGL|T | Wintre: exactly! |
| 14:29:06 | Kappucho | Wintre: no. you are making conclusions not based on what I have said. |
| 14:29:13 | Wintre | I'm just trying to understand |
| 14:29:23 | Kappucho | Wintre: I find it a palm wannabe because it intends to do only the things a palm can do, nothing more, nothing less. |
| 14:29:28 | Wintre | <Kappucho> W|GGL|T: it lacks fundamental capabilities to install a system from |
| 14:29:28 | Wintre | +scratch. |
| 14:29:29 | W|GGL|T | you wont find may pdas that accept anything other than what it was DESIGNED to accept as an OS |
| 14:29:44 | Wintre | Kappucho: Ah. |
| 14:29:48 | Kappucho | W|GGL|T: that's true, because most PDA's are Palm Pilot wannabes. |
| 14:29:50 | Wintre | Kappucho: Ok. Wrong. |
| 14:30:03 | W|GGL|T | Kappucho: what other pdas have you tried then? |
| 14:30:04 | Wintre | In the first place because it is Linux-based, and amenable to hacking |
| 14:30:07 | W|GGL|T | there isn't much else |
| 14:30:08 | W|GGL|T | heh |
| 14:30:14 | Kappucho | compaq and fujitsu. |
| 14:30:27 | Wintre | That alone is more than the Palm provides |
| 14:30:34 | Kappucho | although the latter feels more like a very very small laptop rather than a pda, it is still quite handy. |
| 14:31:04 | Kappucho | Wintre: Palms SDK enables the same amount of hacking. |
| 14:31:30 | Kappucho | Wintre: what OS it is running by default should be less of a concern if one can easily replace it with whatever OS is needed by the end-user. |
| 14:31:54 | Kappucho | Wintre: besides, the Zaurus does not take advantage of the fact that it's running a 32 bit multitasking OS. |
| 14:31:54 | Wintre | I haven't used the Palm SDK, actually, so I can't comment authoritatively, but I'd be surprised if it lets you tear out the OS on the device and install another |
| 14:32:07 | Kappucho | Wintre: no it doesn't. |
| 14:32:22 | Kappucho | Wintre: same as with the Zaurus. they are both palm wannabes, only palm is palm. |
| 14:32:27 | Wintre | mompls |
| 14:33:05 | W|GGL|T | Kappucho: find one that WILL fit your specs for your evaluation, THEN you'll have a case |
| 14:33:14 | W|GGL|T | there arent any |
| 14:33:23 | Wintre | ok |
| 14:33:31 | Kappucho | This is all pointless anyways. My problems stems mainly from my uncooprative USB hardware on the PC. |
| 14:33:50 | Wintre | I still don't see why you think it's important that the Z's OS be easily replaceable |
| 14:33:57 | Wintre | Your PC's isn't, really. |
| 14:33:59 | W|GGL|T | same here |
| 14:34:05 | Kappucho | Wintre: really, it is. |
| 14:34:21 | Wintre | Heh |
| 14:34:45 | W|GGL|T | thinks they have the wrong person evaluating the Zaurus (sorry for being blunt) |
| 14:34:45 | Wintre | Hey, I've been using Linux for a long time to, and I've done more installs than I care to think about |
| 14:35:02 | Kappucho | W|GGL|T: it's not a matter of person, it's a matter of hardware. |
| 14:35:10 | W|GGL|T | if you say so |
| 14:35:16 | W|GGL|T | heh...go work on your usb |
| 14:35:19 | Wintre | The mainstream, at whom the Z and your PC are aimed, aren't interested in replacing anything |
| 14:35:39 | Wintre | Geeky hacker types are able and willing to go through some hoops |
| 14:35:51 | W|GGL|T | anyone who's to evaulate the Zaurus on that level ought to have the damn Z syncing to the PC already |
| 14:35:52 | Kappucho | W|GGL|T: you might consider a fat, executive suite who doesn't no dick shit about software pleased with the fact that the Zaurus has a default installation of mine sweeper on it, but for me who actualy has to install a new OS on it is not pleased. |
| 14:36:12 | Kappucho | W|GGL|T: not my fault it doesn't work. |
| 14:36:28 | W|GGL|T | mine is working....others here, their's is working... |
| 14:36:41 | Kappucho | W|GGL|T: which is why I'm now suspecting failed USB hardware. |
| 14:37:25 | Kappucho | W|GGL|T You are making a grave mistake in confusing my USB problem with the fact that I think the Zaurus is to static in design. Two different issues. |
| 14:38:00 | Kappucho | W|GGL|T if you know WHY my isn't working, please tell me. I'm very eager. |
| 14:38:49 | Cloudchaser | why don't you return it for another one? |
| 14:39:39 | Cloudchaser | what os are you trying to put on it? |
| 14:41:00 | Kappucho | I have usbcore, usb-uhci, usbserial and usbdnet as loaded, working modules. According to the docs, placing the Zaurus in the cradle or pressing the sync button should give me a "new device connect" message. |
| 14:41:19 | Kappucho | instead, I get this: |
| 14:41:20 | Kappucho | Dec 4 15:44:37 coke kernel: hub.c: port 1 connection change |
| 14:41:21 | Kappucho | Dec 4 15:44:37 coke kernel: hub.c: port 1, portstatus 100, change 3, 12 Mb/s |
| 14:41:21 | Kappucho | Dec 4 15:44:37 coke kernel: hub.c: port 1 enable change, status 100 |
| 14:41:21 | Kappucho | Dec 4 15:44:37 coke kernel: hub.c: port 1 connection change |
| 14:41:21 | Kappucho | Dec 4 15:44:37 coke kernel: hub.c: port 1, portstatus 101, change 3, 12 Mb/s |
| 14:41:22 | Kappucho | Dec 4 15:44:37 coke kernel: hub.c: port 1, portstatus 103, change 0, 12 Mb/s |
| 14:41:24 | Kappucho | Dec 4 15:44:37 coke kernel: hub.c: USB new device connect on bus2/1, assigned device number 12 |
| 14:41:26 | Kappucho | Dec 4 15:44:37 coke kernel: usb-uhci.c: interrupt, status 2, frame# 1220 |
| 14:41:28 | Kappucho | Dec 4 15:44:37 coke kernel: usb.c: USB device not accepting new address=12 (error=-110) |
| 14:41:30 | Kappucho | Dec 4 15:44:37 coke kernel: hub.c: port 1, portstatus 103, change 0, 12 Mb/s |
| 14:41:32 | Kappucho | Dec 4 15:44:37 coke kernel: hub.c: USB new device connect on bus2/1, assigned device number 13 |
| 14:41:34 | Kappucho | Dec 4 15:44:37 coke kernel: usb.c: USB device not accepting new address=13 (error=-110) |
| 14:41:35 | Cloudchaser | yes i understand that but why don't you return it? |
| 14:42:16 | Cloudchaser | if you think it's faulty, you could take it back |
| 14:42:49 | Kappucho | I'm sure the Zaurus works fine. |
| 14:43:27 | Cloudchaser | oh i'm sorry i'm a bit confused |
| 14:43:37 | Kappucho | I just can't get it working with my PC. |
| 14:43:39 | Cloudchaser | i thought you said your usb on the z was no good |
| 14:43:45 | Kappucho | jlb: do you use the standalone module? |
| 14:44:05 | Kappucho | Cloudchaser: that's true. I'm sure it's not a hw problem on the Zaurus though. could be, but little chance. |
| 14:44:32 | Cloudchaser | ok..what flavor of linux are you using? |
| 14:44:50 | Kappucho | debian, 2.4.18 kernel |
| 14:45:03 | Cloudchaser | perhaps something else went wrong |
| 14:45:04 | Kappucho | I have the usbdnet module + all needed USB modules loaded. |
| 14:45:13 | Kappucho | I'm all ears (eyes) |
| 14:45:36 | Cloudchaser | sorry i'm not knowledgable enough with linux or debian :( |
| 14:46:11 | Cloudchaser | and i use wireless to synch when i do use linux |
| 14:47:01 | Kappucho | This is the problem: usb.c: USB device not accepting new address=5 (error=-110) |
| 14:47:09 | Cloudchaser | ok how bout this |
| 14:47:16 | Kappucho | Seen it in many mailing lists, people asking what is wrong, nobody knows the answer. |
| 14:47:23 | Cloudchaser | how bout trying it all with the default usb address |
| 14:48:14 | Cloudchaser | hmm wait sorry |
| 14:48:28 | Kappucho | which is? |
| 14:48:29 | Cloudchaser | i just got up and i'm not quite thinking clearly yet |
| 14:48:47 | Kappucho | from what I can see the address is automaticly incremented starting from 1. |
| 14:49:28 | Cloudchaser | ok lets back up a bit |
| 14:50:00 | Kappucho | hmhm |
| 14:50:15 | Cloudchaser | ok you can't get your z to synch with linux? |
| 14:50:50 | Kappucho | right. |
| 14:52:09 | Kappucho | some older docs mentions a module called CDCEther which I don't have. Is it still required? |
| 14:52:43 | W|GGL|T | had to step away for a bit...back now |
| 14:53:19 | Kappucho | Ah, I see, the standalone module does not require CDCEther. |
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| 14:54:37 | Kappucho | Cloudchaser current status. |
| 14:54:38 | Kappucho | usbserial 17596 0 (unused) |
| 14:54:38 | Kappucho | uhci 25136 0 (unused) |
| 14:54:38 | Kappucho | usbdnet 13884 0 (unused) |
| 14:54:39 | Kappucho | usbcore 34624 0 [usbserial uhci usbdnet] |
| 14:54:55 | Cloudchaser | ok Kappucho: are you trying to give your usb0 an address? |
| 14:55:05 | oriumpor | heh |
| 14:55:12 | Kappucho | ifconfig -a shows no extra interfaces |
| 14:55:13 | oriumpor | the ibot knows what's on slashdot |
| 14:55:52 | Kappucho | Cloudchaser: yep, the error is: |
| 14:55:53 | Kappucho | Dec 4 15:58:57 coke kernel: hub.c: USB new device connect on bus1/1, assigned device number 9 |
| 14:55:53 | Kappucho | Dec 4 15:58:57 coke kernel: uhci.c: uhci_result_control() failed with status 440000 |
| 14:56:09 | Kappucho | and then |
| 14:56:10 | Kappucho | usb.c: USB device not accepting new address=9 (error=-110) |
| 14:56:20 | Kopsis | Kappucho: dump uhci.o - you should be using usb-uhci.o instead |
| 14:56:28 | whardier | hehe |
| 14:56:35 | whardier | on my machine uhci.o is more stable |
| 14:56:39 | Kappucho | Kopsis: same result. only reason I used uhci.o was because usb-uhci didn't work at first. |
| 14:57:09 | Cloudchaser | ok well from what i understand and i could be wrong...you don't assign your usb0 an address do you? |
| 14:57:12 | Kappucho | With usb-uhci instead of uhci: |
| 14:57:15 | Kappucho | Dec 4 16:00:20 coke kernel: hub.c: USB new device connect on bus1/1, assigned device number 4 |
| 14:57:16 | Kappucho | Dec 4 16:00:20 coke kernel: usb.c: USB device not accepting new address=4 (error=-110) |
| 14:57:24 | Kopsis | Kappucho: are you using hotplug? |
| 14:57:31 | Kappucho | Kopsis: no. |
| 14:57:46 | Kappucho | Cloudchaser: USB address or IP address? |
| 14:58:05 | Cloudchaser | ok bear with me a second |
| 14:58:14 | Kappucho | yep |
| 14:58:16 | Cloudchaser | on my pc when i use usb to synch |
| 14:58:29 | Kappucho | After aprox. 16 hours of trying I bare with anyone. |
| 14:58:31 | Cloudchaser | my z has an address of 192.168.129.201 |
| 14:58:44 | Cloudchaser | i don't set an address for the usb interface |
| 14:58:52 | Cloudchaser | ok so far? |
| 14:59:38 | Kappucho | ok for what? |
| 14:59:47 | Kopsis | Kappucho: you sure your hardware is uhci and not ohci? |
| 14:59:48 | Kappucho | i'm sure it's working fine on your machine. |
| 15:00:01 | Kappucho | Kopsis: could a verbose lspci find that out? |
| 15:00:35 | Kappucho | 00:11.2 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. USB (rev 1b) (prog-if 00 [UHCI]) |
| 15:00:39 | Kappucho | UHCI I guess. |
| 15:00:50 | Cloudchaser | ok never mind me...w|ggl|t did say he assigned 192.168.129.200 as an address |
| 15:01:00 | Kappucho | And the VIA chipset should be supported by the usb-uhci. |
| 15:01:09 | Kappucho | Cloudchaser: assign to what? I have no device to assign that IP to. |
| 15:01:14 | W|GGL|T | Cloudchaser: oopps...thought you saw that |
| 15:01:57 | Cloudchaser | ok so have to go back even further..i'll stay ot of it and let kopsis help you |
| 15:02:01 | Kappucho | ljp: you run the standalone module, right? |
| 15:02:48 | Kappucho | Kopsis: so what else could be a problem? |
| 15:02:50 | Kopsis | Kappucho: what do you get if you cat /proc/bus/usb/devices ? |
| 15:02:58 | Kappucho | Kopsis: I don't have that. |
| 15:03:32 | Kopsis | Kappucho: not a good sign |
| 15:03:55 | Kappucho | Kopsis: What modules do you have and are they compiled or loaded? |
| 15:04:11 | | oriumpor: excuse me? |
| 15:04:11 | oriumpor | ibot wearhard |
| 15:04:26 | Kopsis | Kappucho: I have usb-uhci built into the kernel, usbdnet.o is loaded |
| 15:04:44 | Kappucho | Kopsis: You don't have usbserial? |
| 15:05:22 | Kopsis | Kappucho: yes - built in I believe ... let me check |
| 15:05:28 | Kappucho | Please do. |
| 15:05:51 | whardier | augh |
| 15:05:56 | whardier | lindows costs money |
| 15:06:08 | Cloudchaser | yep otherwise i'd havve checked it out |
| 15:06:10 | whardier | $99 of them |
| 15:06:16 | whardier | how stupid is that |
| 15:06:20 | whardier | why does it cost money? |
| 15:06:37 | Cloudchaser | they like to eat? |
| 15:06:46 | whardier | err |
| 15:06:47 | whardier | sorry |
| 15:06:55 | whardier | why can't I download it for free? |
| 15:06:59 | Cloudchaser | hehe i'm just messing with you whardier |
| 15:07:14 | Cloudchaser | i dunno why not |
| 15:07:28 | | OK, oriumpor. |
| 15:07:28 | oriumpor | ibot wear-hard is a wearable mailing list (mostly concerned with PC104 designs and linux based wearable solutions. http://wearbles.blu.org/wear-hard houses their mailing list |
| 15:07:50 | Kappucho | Kopsis: so, any news? |
| 15:07:52 | | OK, oriumpor. |
| 15:07:52 | oriumpor | ibot wearhard is see wear-hard |
| 15:07:55 | Kopsis | Kappucho: USB Generic Serial Driver is built-in to my kernel (2.4.17 on Debian) |
| 15:07:58 | Kappucho | whardier: why use lindows? |
| 15:08:10 | Kappucho | Kopsis: what else is in there? |
| 15:08:18 | | wearhard is, like, see wear-hard |
| 15:08:18 | oriumpor | ibot wearhard |
| 15:08:20 | whardier | I use Debian.. Lindows looks interesting enough to download and see if it works |
| 15:08:26 | | somebody said wear-hard was a wearable mailing list (mostly concerned with PC104 designs and linux based wearable solutions. http://wearbles.blu.org/wear-hard houses their mailing list |
| 15:08:26 | oriumpor | ibot wear-hard |
| 15:08:39 | whardier | http://wearbles.blu.org/wear-hard does not work |
| 15:08:52 | oriumpor | I friggen misspelled |
| 15:08:53 | Kopsis | Kappucho: everything else (except for usb-uhci and usb-ohci) is a module |
| 15:08:53 | oriumpor | doh |
| 15:08:58 | Kappucho | whardier: if you are going to use a system that ignores every rule ever put in Unix and POSIX, why not use Windows XP? |
| 15:09:07 | Kappucho | Kopsis everything? hmm. |
| 15:09:41 | | OK, oriumpor. |
| 15:09:41 | oriumpor | ibot correction wear-hard is a wearable mailing list (mostly concerned with PC104 designs and linux based wearable solutions. httpd://wearables.blue.org/wear-hard houses their mailing list. |
| 15:09:44 | Kappucho | Kopsis: all the extra stuff under the "generic serial driver"? |
| 15:09:54 | | somebody said wear-hard was a wearable mailing list (mostly concerned with PC104 designs and linux based wearable solutions. http://wearbles.blu.org/wear-hard houses their mailing list |
| 15:09:54 | oriumpor | ibot wear-hard |
| 15:10:03 | oriumpor | friggen stupid bot |
| 15:10:09 | whardier | http://wearables.blu.org/wear-hard |
| 15:10:18 | | whardier: I forgot wear-hard |
| 15:10:18 | whardier | ibot forget wear-hard |
| 15:10:28 | | OK, oriumpor. |
| 15:10:28 | oriumpor | ibot wear-hard is a wearable mailing list (mostly concerned with PC104 designs and linux based wearable solutions. httpd://wearables.blue.org/wear-hard houses their mailing list. |
| 15:10:29 | Kopsis | Kappucho: Yep. Shouldn't make any difference though because usbdnet has nothing to do with the serial stuff. |
| 15:10:34 | oriumpor | thanx |
| 15:10:44 | oriumpor | i did a bit of research |
| 15:11:01 | oriumpor | they've already modded an ipaq w/a HMD +twiddler |
| 15:11:09 | Kopsis | Kappucho: your USB hub isn't even showing up in /proc so I think you have bigger issues than the downstream modules |
| 15:11:19 | Kappucho | yup. |
| 15:11:20 | oriumpor | I really wanna see if any of em have started on the Z yet |
| 15:12:17 | Kopsis | Kappucho: I've never used uhci or ohci as modules so I probably can't help you there. |
| 15:12:18 | Kappucho | Kopsis: so, do you think it's a problem because I have USB support as loadable module. |
| 15:12:28 | Kappucho | Kopsis: I use usb-uhci. |
| 15:12:47 | Kopsis | Kappucho: don't know. Shouldn't make any difference but you never know. |
| 15:12:57 | Cloudchaser | did you run modprobe? |
| 15:13:05 | Kappucho | yupsey. |
| 15:13:38 | Kappucho | Kopsis: I'm going to try it again. I should modprobe usb-uhci first and then modprobe usbdnet and it should work, right? |
| 15:13:52 | | oriumpor: what? |
| 15:13:52 | oriumpor | ibot /. |
| 15:13:58 | | OK, oriumpor. |
| 15:13:58 | oriumpor | ibot /. is slashdot |
| 15:14:02 | | somebody said /. was slashdot |
| 15:14:02 | oriumpor | ibot /. |
| 15:14:05 | oriumpor | bah |
| 15:14:09 | | Slashdot - Updated 2002-07-04 14:56:19 | Publishing Now Counts As Now | New Chips Keep Tight Rein on Consumers | Two Lackluster Reviews For LindowsOS on Wal-Mart PCs | A More In Depth Look at PS/2 Linux |
| 15:14:09 | oriumpor | ibot slashdot |
| 15:14:11 | Kopsis | Kappucho: modprobe usb-uhci and see if the hub shows up in /proc |
| 15:14:30 | Kappucho | This is what happens in the log: |
| 15:14:31 | Kappucho | Dec 4 16:17:35 coke kernel: hub.c: USB new device connect on bus1/1, assigned device number 3 |
| 15:14:32 | Kappucho | Dec 4 16:17:35 coke kernel: usb.c: USB device not accepting new address=3 (error=-110) |
| 15:15:13 | Kappucho | Where is no "hub" directory or file under /proc |
| 15:15:28 | Kopsis | Kappucho: I think you're USB hardware on the MB may be bad. I have seen that happen before - similar symptoms. |
| 15:15:46 | Kappucho | Kopsis: hmm. |
| 15:15:58 | Kappucho | Any other way to test it? |
| 15:16:01 | Kopsis | Kappucho: you won't get a hub directory but the hub should show up in /proc/bus/usb/devices |
| 15:16:10 | Kappucho | I have two devices with two ports on each, could they both be bad? |
| 15:16:17 | Wintre | Have you tried googling for the error message, Kappucho? |
| 15:16:31 | Kappucho | Wintre: yes. mailing lists. questions, no answers. |
| 15:16:38 | Cloudchaser | you are using usb hub? |
| 15:17:03 | Kappucho | it is what the usbcore and usb-uhci gives me. |
| 15:17:37 | Kappucho | WHen modprobing usbcore: Dec 4 16:20:51 coke kernel: usb.c: registered new driver hub |
| 15:19:12 | Kappucho | and when modprobing usb-uhci lot's of information, but near the end this: |
| 15:19:13 | Kappucho | Dec 4 16:21:17 coke kernel: usb-uhci.c: v1.275:USB Universal Host Controller Interface driver |
| 15:19:13 | Kappucho | Dec 4 16:21:17 coke kernel: hub.c: port 1, portstatus 103, change 0, 12 Mb/s |
| 15:19:13 | Kappucho | Dec 4 16:21:17 coke kernel: hub.c: USB new device connect on bus1/1, assigned device number 3 |
| 15:19:14 | Kappucho | Dec 4 16:21:17 coke kernel: usb.c: USB device not accepting new address=3 (error=-110) |
| 15:20:11 | kergoth | Kappucho: install hotplug |
| 15:20:14 | kergoth | morning all |
| 15:20:20 | oriumpor | if there are Q:'s and no A:'s ... it probably is pretty obscure |
| 15:20:20 | Cloudchaser | hiya kergoth |
| 15:20:26 | kergoth | (/afternoon/evening as the case may be) |
| 15:20:30 | kergoth | hey Cloud |
| 15:20:35 | Cloudchaser | morning here for a little bit longer |
| 15:20:43 | Kappucho | kergoth: Is it mandatory, if so, why is it not in docs? |
| 15:20:48 | oriumpor | morning for a while |
| 15:21:05 | oriumpor | my woman is calling bbiab |
| 15:22:01 | kergoth | Kappucho: its not mandatory |
| 15:22:13 | Kappucho | kergoth: but it might help me? where is it found? |
| 15:22:13 | kergoth | Kappucho: but without it, =you have to manually load the usb modules |
| 15:22:29 | kergoth | Kappucho: and you obviously havent loaded all the modules you need for the support for the usb hub |
| 15:22:50 | kergoth | Kappucho: hotplug detects plug and unplug of usb devices and reacts accordingly |
| 15:23:09 | Kappucho | kergoth: where is it available? a module in the standard 2.4 kernel? |
| 15:23:48 | Kappucho | kergoth: why doesn't any document show all the needed modules then? I've loaded all listed in any howto. |
| 15:23:53 | Kopsis | Kappucho: hotplug is available as a Debian package but I don't think it's going to help since you can't get usb-uhci to load correctly |
| 15:24:19 | kergoth | Kappucho: hotplug is a user space utility, not a kernel module |
| 15:24:24 | Cloudchaser | can you try it just with the z plugged into your pc usb port and without hub? |
| 15:24:32 | kergoth | Kopsis: he cant get usb-uhci to load? it looked loaded fine to me |
| 15:24:51 | W|GGL|T | he has usb errors in his log |
| 15:24:57 | Kopsis | kergoth: he doesn't get a /proc/bus/usb/devices |
| 15:25:01 | Kappucho | kergoth: still, the error: USB device not accepting new address=3 (error=-110) |
| 15:25:03 | W|GGL|T | <Kappucho> Dec 4 16:21:17 coke kernel: usb.c: USB device not accepting new address=3 (error=-110) |
| 15:25:45 | kergoth | W|GGL|T: sounds like a fucked up hub or he's using hte wrong usb controller driver |
| 15:25:54 | kergoth | thanks for the info, i sort of jumped into the middle of the conversation :-) |
| 15:25:59 | kergoth | plus i havent had my coffee yet |
| 15:26:02 | kergoth | hehe |
| 15:26:05 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 15:26:05 | Cloudchaser | haha i know that drill |
| 15:26:14 | Cloudchaser | i'm just on my first :) |
| 15:26:33 | W|GGL|T | hrmmm...maybe i should go and get some |
| 15:26:43 | W|GGL|T | woke up a bit surly today |
| 15:26:44 | Kappucho | kergoth: I have tried usb-uhci and uhci, I can try the ohci just to make sure. |
| 15:26:54 | Cloudchaser | but maybe eliminating hub and trying just the usb port on pc would eliminate the hub as a point of failure? |
| 15:27:20 | Kappucho | No, usb-ohci does not load at all. |
| 15:27:21 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: excellend idea. the hub sounds like hte problem, as the hub isnt accepting a usb address |
| 15:27:31 | kergoth | s/excellend/excellent/ |
| 15:27:33 | Kopsis | Cloud: the "hub" is what the built-in ports are part of :) |
| 15:27:38 | ljp | did you try the uhci alternative driver? |
| 15:27:45 | W|GGL|T | she means the external hub |
| 15:27:50 | W|GGL|T | if he's using one |
| 15:27:54 | Cloudchaser | right |
| 15:28:00 | Kappucho | ljp: yep. |
| 15:28:13 | ljp | are your bios settings correct? |
| 15:28:26 | ljp | shooting in the dark |
| 15:28:29 | W|GGL|T | uses ohci |
| 15:28:39 | Kappucho | ljp: well, USB is marked as "All enabled", I can only assume it means they are all enabled. |
| 15:28:41 | Cloudchaser | hehe i thought he tackled the bios yesterday |
| 15:28:42 | Kopsis | ohci is your friend :) |
| 15:28:58 | kergoth | ohci is your friend if you use the right chipset, yeah |
| 15:28:58 | kergoth | hehe |
| 15:28:59 | Kappucho | W|GGL|T tried it, I have UHCI chip and OHCI wouldn't even load. |
| 15:29:02 | ljp | is about to shoot mandrakes hidden emacs settings |
| 15:29:13 | kergoth | just shoots mandrake in general |
| 15:29:17 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 15:29:21 | W|GGL|T | debian too |
| 15:29:25 | W|GGL|T | :oP |
| 15:29:25 | kergoth | bah :-P |
| 15:29:30 | Cloudchaser | is your machine linux only or dual boot? |
| 15:29:49 | Kappucho | wants to make the USB work to make some time for a well needed visit to the crapper. |
| 15:29:59 | W|GGL|T | too much info |
| 15:30:07 | Cloudchaser | way too much |
| 15:30:14 | kergoth | Kappucho: could always try the channel for your distribution for general usb assistance, or #kernelnewbies if you believe its kernel space |
| 15:30:14 | Kappucho | kergoth: so, ehrm, what's wrong? :-) |
| 15:30:34 | kergoth | Kappucho: are you using an external hub or directly connected to the onboard ports? |
| 15:30:41 | W|GGL|T | kergoth: he said he's no newbie |
| 15:30:48 | kergoth | W|GGL|T: irrelevant |
| 15:30:51 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 15:31:01 | W|GGL|T | i agree |
| 15:31:03 | kergoth | W|GGL|T: if he thinks because he's not a newbie he shouldnt ask around, he's a stupid non-newbie |
| 15:31:08 | Kappucho | kergoth: direct connection to the ports. |
| 15:31:15 | W|GGL|T | LOL |
| 15:31:24 | Cloudchaser | and you tried both ports? |
| 15:31:45 | Kappucho | already checked in #kernelnewbie and in #debian. seems like nobody is using the evil invetion of USB. |
| 15:31:49 | kergoth | Kappucho: so its the onboard hub that isnt working, as kopsis tried to indicate to us :-) good possibility you've got a hardware issue on your hands |
| 15:32:04 | kergoth | Kappucho: fyi, the usb maintainer is in #kernelnewbies once in a while |
| 15:32:22 | Cloudchaser | well the reason i asked (and didn't get answer) if he was dual boot was he could try usb in windows...just to test ports |
| 15:32:23 | Kopsis | Kappucho: I'll second kergoth's diagnosis. |
| 15:32:28 | Kappucho | kergoth: I've suspected it, but I have two controllers, I've tried both. Possibility of both being whack is minimal. |
| 15:32:40 | W|GGL|T | Cloudchaser: that's what i asked him too |
| 15:32:45 | kergoth | Kappucho: incorrect |
| 15:33:02 | Kappucho | Not even _I_, the man whom the god takes a crap on every day, can't have that misfortune on hardware. |
| 15:33:05 | kergoth | Kappucho: personally, my usb is fucked completely onboard. used to work fine, now none of the ports on either wrok fine. |
| 15:33:07 | W|GGL|T | also asked if he had another system to try it with |
| 15:33:16 | Cloudchaser | or you compiled something wrong when you recompiled kernel |
| 15:33:30 | kergoth | Kappucho: so its certainly possible |
| 15:33:30 | W|GGL|T | thats a big possibility |
| 15:33:39 | Kappucho | Cloudchaser: i didnt recompile the kernel, only the modules. |
| 15:33:56 | Cloudchaser | but you said you weren't using stand-alone |
| 15:33:56 | Kappucho | kergoth: why would people build such fragile hardware? |
| 15:34:07 | Kopsis | I, too, had the built in MB ports go south on one system. |
| 15:34:11 | kergoth | Kappucho: i'm not the person to be asking that. call tech support. :-P |
| 15:34:15 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
| 15:34:18 | Kappucho | Cloudchaser: did I say that? no, all modules are loadable. |
| 15:34:31 | Cloudchaser | oh sorry bout that |
| 15:35:23 | Kappucho | Kopsis & kergoth: you have both suffered hardware failure on USB? |
| 15:35:28 | W|GGL|T | the ethernet over usb is more than just kernel modules tho |
| 15:35:28 | Cloudchaser | well i'm fresh out of ideas if you did all the module stuff right |
| 15:35:44 | Kopsis | Kappucho: sounds like it. |
| 15:35:46 | W|GGL|T | you'll have to hack the kernel, NOT just mess with modules |
| 15:36:11 | Kappucho | W|GGL|T not if you use the standalone version of usbdnet. |
| 15:36:31 | Kappucho | W|GGL|T but that's irrelevant, because I don't even get the uhci module working properly. |
| 15:36:34 | W|GGL|T | i though you said you WEREN'T using standalone |
| 15:37:00 | W|GGL|T | well, it helps to check all routes... |
| 15:37:03 | kergoth | Kappucho: stupid question for you, that youve probably been asked already, the Z isnt sitting on the cradle suspended is it? :-P |
| 15:37:11 | Cloudchaser | wanders to the kitchen for more caffeine |
| 15:37:18 | Kappucho | you poeple keep saying that, I have no idea why I would have said it. :-) I'm starting to get dizzy anyway. |
| 15:37:29 | kergoth | Cloud, good idea |
| 15:37:30 | kergoth | brb |
| 15:37:55 | Kappucho | kergoth: well, when I press the sync button it isn't suspended, but I still get the same error in syslog and still no /proc/usb. |
| 15:38:08 | Kappucho | the device is simple not accepting any addresses. |
| 15:39:03 | Kopsis | Kappucho: /proc/*bus*/usb |
| 15:39:05 | Kappucho | s/simple/simply |
| 15:39:15 | Kappucho | Kopsis: yeah, that one. non-existant. |
| 15:39:56 | Kappucho | Although, /proc/bus/pci/devices contains usb-uhci. |
| 15:40:00 | kergoth | heh, good thing you clarified. iirc proc/usb isnt there unless you enabled it |
| 15:40:21 | kergoth | Kappucho: lsmod on the Z. is usbcore listed? and netfd? |
| 15:40:37 | kergoth | i'm out of coffee |
| 15:40:39 | kergoth | someone shoot me |
| 15:40:47 | kergoth | drinks orange juice |
| 15:40:52 | Cloudchaser | ack! |
| 15:41:00 | Cloudchaser | no soda? |
| 15:41:05 | ljp | oj with caffeine? |
| 15:41:19 | kergoth | i've got orange soda and cherry pepsi |
| 15:41:30 | Kappucho | kergoth: no. |
| 15:41:33 | Cloudchaser | go for the pepsi |
| 15:41:34 | Kappucho | kergoth: they are not. |
| 15:41:38 | kergoth | Kappucho: therein lies the problem |
| 15:41:38 | Cloudchaser | that has caffeine! |
| 15:41:53 | kergoth | Kappucho: the usb support on the Z isnt there, so it isnt acceptin a usb device # |
| 15:42:05 | Kappucho | usbdcore and serial_fd is available. |
| 15:42:17 | kergoth | Kappucho: serial_fd? what rom are you on? |
| 15:42:28 | Kappucho | I think I can fix it. |
| 15:42:32 | kergoth | Kappucho: net_fd should be default in ithe startup scripts |
| 15:43:08 | kergoth | I wonder if anyone ever added multiple configuration / multiple interface support to the host side usbnet driver |
| 15:43:09 | Kappucho | I know have usbdcore and net_fd loaded |
| 15:43:21 | Kappucho | kergoth: yes they did. net and serial are available. |
| 15:43:31 | Kappucho | Now it works. |
| 15:43:39 | kergoth | Kappucho: good :-) |
| 15:43:48 | Cloudchaser | cheers kergoth |
| 15:43:54 | kergoth | hah, and with no caffeine! |
| 15:43:56 | kergoth | :-P |
| 15:44:01 | Kopsis | kergoth: nice work! |
| 15:44:19 | Kappucho | Crap. The problem _WAS_ on the Zaurus after all. |
| 15:44:22 | oriu|away | baaah! |
| 15:44:23 | kergoth | hehe |
| 15:44:52 | Kappucho | All this time I thought that MY USB board that failed. |
| 15:44:59 | kergoth | see my problem was i thought it was your internal hub itself that couldnt get a device id.. then i reread the logs and saw it was likely the Z that wasnt accepting it |
| 15:45:00 | kergoth | hehe |
| 15:45:01 | Cloudchaser | well did you tweak the z? |
| 15:45:01 | kergoth | ah well |
| 15:45:04 | Kappucho | These kernel messages leaves much to be desired. |
| 15:45:07 | W|GGL|T | what was wrong? |
| 15:45:24 | kergoth | drinks his orange juice |
| 15:45:25 | Kappucho | W|GGL|T the Zaurus was set on using the USB as a serial device and not a network device. |
| 15:45:45 | Cloudchaser | you had the synch set to use serial???? |
| 15:45:57 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 15:46:12 | kergoth | he had the startup scripots set to use serial over usb |
| 15:46:12 | W|GGL|T | sorry...not laffing at you |
| 15:46:22 | kergoth | W|GGL|T: liar :-P |
| 15:46:29 | W|GGL|T | LOL!! |
| 15:46:33 | W|GGL|T | ok, imma liar |
| 15:46:46 | W|GGL|T | damn you, kergoth :oP |
| 15:47:03 | kergoth | man its beautiful out today |
| 15:47:10 | kergoth | happy 4th to anyone in the US |
| 15:47:11 | W|GGL|T | same here, for once |
| 15:47:15 | Kappucho | Well. That was a good two day event because whoever used this machine somehow wanted to use the USB as a serial device. |
| 15:47:18 | W|GGL|T | been dumping on us all week |
| 15:47:42 | kergoth | W|GGL|T: its was dumping on us last week, and was trying to bake us this week :-) |
| 15:47:47 | kergoth | here anyway |
| 15:47:50 | Kappucho | still dumping here |
| 15:47:56 | Cloudchaser | yeah its smoking hot here |
| 15:48:31 | oriu|away | I hate it when you're reading a book and the txt file ends abruptly |
| 15:48:35 | kergoth | i havent seen the size of an electric bill for my new townhouse with the AC running constantly all month |
| 15:48:36 | kergoth | yet |
| 15:48:41 | kergoth | not looking forward to it |
| 15:48:42 | kergoth | hehe |
| 15:48:51 | Cloudchaser | yeah same here kergoth, we have 3 window a/cs gong here |
| 15:49:03 | Cloudchaser | which are way too small for the job |
| 15:49:08 | Cloudchaser | so they're workin hard |
| 15:49:08 | oriu|away | it's foggy here : P |
| 15:49:09 | kergoth | oh i hate that |
| 15:49:15 | kergoth | thanks god for central air |
| 15:49:18 | ljp | notes he still hasn't found the perfect editor |
| 15:49:27 | kergoth | ljp: you havent? |
| 15:49:33 | Cloudchaser | hehe you in the north or the south? |
| 15:49:36 | ljp | nope |
| 15:49:39 | kergoth | north |
| 15:49:44 | Cloudchaser | me too |
| 15:49:50 | kergoth | ljp: try vim again :-P |
| 15:49:50 | Cloudchaser | old house though |
| 15:49:52 | ljp | I'm in the mid-south-west |
| 15:50:03 | Cloudchaser | hehe hot there too i'd bet |
| 15:50:12 | ljp | eeesch, yes, and dry |
| 15:50:25 | kergoth | man colorado needs some lakes |
| 15:50:25 | ljp | dry, dry, dry |
| 15:50:31 | ljp | ha |
| 15:50:35 | kergoth | its all resevours and shit |
| 15:50:38 | kergoth | hehe |
| 15:50:42 | ljp | I'd rather take the Carribean here, lpease |
| 15:51:04 | Cloudchaser | dreams of margaritas in the Carribean |
| 15:51:04 | kergoth | Cloudchaser: where you at again? |
| 15:51:09 | Cloudchaser | Connecticut |
| 15:51:19 | kergoth | ah cool |
| 15:51:28 | Cloudchaser | not at the moment :) |
| 15:51:36 | W|GGL|T | is away: coffee/smoke break! |
| 15:52:27 | kergoth | eheh |
| 15:53:06 | oriu|away | there hasn't been a recent samba remote root exploit has there? |
| 15:54:12 | ljp | I thought samba WAS a remote root exploit? |
| 15:54:24 | oriu|away | heh... if misconfigured |
| 15:58:07 | whardier | heh |
| 15:58:12 | kergoth | hey whardier |
| 15:58:17 | whardier | hey duude |
| 15:58:22 | kergoth | how goes it |
| 15:58:25 | whardier | terrible |
| 15:58:41 | whardier | a friend of mine that lives 2 hours away always wants me to visit |
| 15:58:51 | whardier | I have no car |
| 15:58:56 | Cloudchaser | aww :( |
| 15:59:03 | whardier | and its apain for him to come pick me up and drag me down and blah |
| 15:59:08 | W|GGL|T | then he's close enough so he can visit himself |
| 15:59:12 | whardier | that and I can't stand him most of the time |
| 15:59:13 | W|GGL|T | ahhh |
| 15:59:16 | W|GGL|T | LOL |
| 15:59:17 | Cloudchaser | lol |
| 15:59:20 | whardier | well |
| 15:59:24 | whardier | like on the phone call I just got |
| 15:59:25 | kergoth | hah |
| 15:59:27 | kergoth | get a car |
| 15:59:36 | W|GGL|T | has no friends that he cannot stand :oP |
| 15:59:39 | whardier | he tells me "Well I just figured I would call and see what you were up to" |
| 15:59:42 | whardier | 10 times over |
| 15:59:48 | whardier | augh |
| 15:59:55 | whardier | I am just really impatient I think |
| 16:00:13 | whardier | it sounds like he is begging |
| 16:00:14 | whardier | heh |
| 16:00:19 | whardier | and I hate that |
| 16:00:40 | whardier | and I have no clue what I am doing today |
| 16:00:43 | whardier | or how to get there! |
| 16:00:46 | whardier | is bummed |
| 16:00:54 | kergoth | i've got NO |
| 16:00:55 | kergoth | plans today |
| 16:00:57 | kergoth | ugh |
| 16:01:00 | whardier | that and fucking SKB's can blow my ass |
| 16:02:14 | whardier | packet_queue.c:static int route_me_harder(struct sk_buff *skb) |
| 16:02:17 | whardier | and I love going thru code |
| 16:02:26 | kergoth | haha |
| 16:03:56 | whardier | I am trying to attach headers to all outgoing packets for a device |
| 16:03:58 | whardier | I got it to work |
| 16:04:03 | whardier | but I am not allocating something correctly |
| 16:04:15 | whardier | and I might have to rewrite the skb every time I do a packet out |
| 16:04:16 | whardier | :( |
| 16:04:52 | whardier | and I am trying to modify it on the link layer |
| 16:04:57 | whardier | and its just not working |
| 16:05:05 | whardier | because outgoing packets don't have a link layer.. |
| 16:05:11 | whardier | until they are in the tcp/ip stack |
| 16:05:12 | whardier | :( |
| 16:05:53 | whardier | so I am trying to figure the best way to make a duplicate packet |
| 16:05:55 | whardier | oh shit |
| 16:05:57 | whardier | I am dumb! |
| 16:06:00 | whardier | dies |
| 16:07:59 | W|GGL|T | damn...wrong button |
| 16:08:15 | warmi | hi |
| 16:08:30 | Cloudchaser | hiya warmi ;) |
| 16:08:42 | Cloudchaser | wb W|GGL|T |
| 16:08:56 | warmi | hi |
| 16:09:27 | warmi | I thought this channel was dead ... today being the 4th of July and everything |
| 16:09:41 | W|GGL|T | thanks |
| 16:09:45 | ljp | sets out to kick emac on the machine's ass |
| 16:10:11 | ljp | meant emacs on this machine's ass |
| 16:10:15 | W|GGL|T | warmi: today is just another day to me...i mean, the 4th of July spirit is there, but only just |
| 16:10:16 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
| 16:10:56 | W|GGL|T | maybe if i had a job, i'd treat it as a vacation/celebration |
| 16:11:52 | warmi | W|GGL|T : you lookin for a job ? |
| 16:12:18 | W|GGL|T | i was...all but gave up |
| 16:12:27 | W|GGL|T | going to a job fair midmonth tho |
| 16:12:42 | warmi | is it that bad out there ? |
| 16:12:54 | warmi | I thought things gotten a little better recently |
| 16:12:57 | Cloudchaser | i think its bad everywhere |
| 16:13:03 | W|GGL|T | it just sucks |
| 16:13:13 | Cloudchaser | i'm praying i don't get laid off |
| 16:13:14 | W|GGL|T | had me thinking about trying to rejoin the army |
| 16:13:48 | W|GGL|T | im probably too old now tho |
| 16:13:53 | Cloudchaser | i'm too old to do that |
| 16:13:57 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
| 16:13:59 | warmi | I talked to couple of my buddies recently and both of then said things are picking up ( they works as an independant contractors) |
| 16:14:11 | Cloudchaser | where are you warmi? |
| 16:14:17 | warmi | Chicago |
| 16:14:21 | Cloudchaser | ah |
| 16:14:22 | oriumpor | 13 people interviewed for 1 position I was trying for... |
| 16:14:32 | Cloudchaser | worldcom laying off won't help things here |
| 16:14:46 | | Slashdot - Updated 2002-07-04 14:56:19 | Publishing Now Counts As Now | New Chips Keep Tight Rein on Consumers | Two Lackluster Reviews For LindowsOS on Wal-Mart PCs | A More In Depth Look at PS/2 Linux |
| 16:14:46 | oriumpor | ibot slashdot |
| 16:15:18 | warmi | yeah, I guess... on the other hand maybe this only seems that bad after so many years of economical orgy |
| 16:15:32 | W|GGL|T | yeah, my brother in law recently offered me a $50k/yr job (wayyy beyond what I ever made) but i had to turn it down because the job was in northern VA |
| 16:16:25 | Wintre | Ugh |
| 16:16:38 | warmi | Tribune (place I work at) used to have hiring freeze for the last couple of months |
| 16:16:52 | warmi | seems they are about to lift it |
| 16:17:00 | warmi | so mayb things are getting better |
| 16:17:08 | ljp | man, you shoulda taken that job, worked for a couple years and then move to an island |
| 16:17:51 | warmi | ljp: you have a job , don';t you ? |
| 16:19:09 | W|GGL|T | ljb: lol...thing was, i coulda done it. it woulda been a temp job, with me working until Oct. or Nov, enough for me to get my foot into the IT industry. I just don't think i can maintain this household and one in VA |
| 16:19:10 | ljp | ya |
| 16:20:18 | oriumpor | I hate temp jobs |
| 16:20:26 | oriumpor | they bug the hell outa me |
| 16:20:34 | W|GGL|T | well, ill take what i can get |
| 16:20:45 | W|GGL|T | im not too picky at the moment |
| 16:20:52 | oriumpor | true, but man do they treat you like second hand labor |
| 16:21:05 | W|GGL|T | hrmmm...never had that problem |
| 16:21:36 | oriumpor | I guess it's all on the reputation of the IT department you're working for |
| 16:21:43 | warmi | oriumpor: is it like working on the project ( as an outside contractor) |
| 16:21:50 | ljp | someone willing to give me $4000 a month can treat me like dirt if they want |
| 16:21:51 | W|GGL|T | although if someone would treat me like that, ill let them know right off that they can find someone else for the job |
| 16:22:30 | W|GGL|T | ljp: now, for $4000, i'd jump thru firehoops |
| 16:22:44 | W|GGL|T | this wasn't an actual temp job tho |
| 16:22:52 | oriumpor | warmi: at least then you get respect (albeit little) butthe IT dep I work for now has a horrible rep and it bleeds off no matter how good a job you do |
| 16:22:58 | VerxHome | howdy everyone |
| 16:23:00 | ljp | would party like a rockstar if I got $4000/month |
| 16:23:03 | VerxHome | anyone alive on this day? :) |
| 16:23:08 | ljp | nope |
| 16:23:10 | W|GGL|T | everyone is :o) |
| 16:23:12 | VerxHome | ljp: Um, so would I |
| 16:23:30 | VerxHome | if there weren't taxes, I would get over $4000/month |
| 16:23:33 | oriumpor | lotsa taxes |
| 16:23:38 | oriumpor | I hate taxes |
| 16:23:42 | warmi | ljp: nah .. maybe where you live $4000/month is a lot of money |
| 16:23:47 | W|GGL|T | hates texas too |
| 16:23:51 | W|GGL|T | :oP |
| 16:23:54 | W|GGL|T | and taxes |
| 16:23:56 | W|GGL|T | hehe |
| 16:23:56 | treke|home | ha |
| 16:24:14 | ljp | no, I live too near high tech crap.. 4000/month is alot for little ole me, though |
| 16:24:48 | W|GGL|T | isn't far from austin and DFW, but there's still more steers than tech jobs |
| 16:24:57 | W|GGL|T | steer, i mean |
| 16:24:58 | oriumpor | I just wish I got 5k a month tax free for the rest of my life, and I could go to work in boxers |
| 16:25:03 | ljp | is eatting pizza for breakfast |
| 16:25:15 | oriumpor | and I was a professional critic for slashdot or something |
| 16:25:17 | VerxHome | WAS going to eat pizza for breakfast |
| 16:25:26 | VerxHome | 's wife at the last of the pizza for breakfast |
| 16:25:29 | W|GGL|T | hasn't eaten breakfast yet |
| 16:25:37 | VerxHome | or perhaps it was a late night snack |
| 16:25:39 | VerxHome | isn't sure |
| 16:25:42 | oriumpor | Screw pizza |
| 16:25:47 | oriumpor | grabs some pop tarts |
| 16:25:47 | W|GGL|T | ive pizza, just no appetite to eat it for breakfast |
| 16:25:50 | VerxHome | but /me's wife also had the last of the cereal |
| 16:25:52 | W|GGL|T | good idea! |
| 16:25:59 | VerxHome | so there isn't any good breakfast left to be had |
| 16:26:17 | warmi | tacos |
| 16:26:25 | warmi | :-) |
| 16:26:28 | VerxHome | actually, ljp, if I stopped putting 16% into my 401K, I would be taking home more than $4k/month |
| 16:26:36 | VerxHome | does that mean I have to party like a rockstar? |
| 16:26:37 | VerxHome | :) |
| 16:26:56 | oriumpor | heh I blow all my money on junk... and my car |
| 16:27:07 | warmi | VerxHome where are you located ? |
| 16:27:15 | VerxHome | bought a car 1 year ago on a 2 year 0% loan |
| 16:27:22 | VerxHome | a LOT of money goes into that right now. . |
| 16:27:27 | VerxHome | warmi: Arizona |
| 16:27:38 | oriumpor | 0% loans rock |
| 16:27:40 | warmi | no shit then 4K/month is a lot of money there |
| 16:27:41 | VerxHome | they do |
| 16:27:51 | VerxHome | but 2 year loans are very large payments |
| 16:27:53 | VerxHome | trust me |
| 16:28:02 | VerxHome | I mean, in a year, I will be ELATED that I did it |
| 16:28:02 | oriumpor | 800 a month or something? |
| 16:28:04 | warmi | on the other hand 4k/month is not all that much in Chicago |
| 16:28:08 | ljp | oh my god-> http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2002-07-03-015-26-NW-CY-MS |
| 16:28:09 | VerxHome | but right now, I keep thinking what else I could spend it on |
| 16:28:09 | VerxHome | :) |
| 16:28:15 | VerxHome | oriumpor: Yup |
| 16:28:24 | oriumpor | yeah |
| 16:28:27 | VerxHome | warmi: true |
| 16:28:52 | oriumpor | I've got a 2 % 36 month... I can't buy a car any other way anymore |
| 16:28:57 | oriumpor | I just feel cheated |
| 16:29:16 | oriumpor | who cares If all I eat is ramen... I'm happy :P |
| 16:29:21 | oriumpor | and pop tarts |
| 16:29:25 | tux_mike | ljp: oh no. they are crashing our party! |
| 16:29:26 | W|GGL|T | VerxHome: what type of car? |
| 16:29:34 | warmi | VerxHome : it depends what kind of car are we talking about here .. it can be very large payment if it is BMW :-) |
| 16:29:43 | VerxHome | W|GGL|T: A Nissan Altima - the new design |
| 16:29:46 | W|GGL|T | ahh |
| 16:29:53 | VerxHome | warmi: Not anything too fancy |
| 16:29:55 | VerxHome | really |
| 16:29:56 | W|GGL|T | almost bought one of those |
| 16:30:01 | W|GGL|T | the V6? |
| 16:30:02 | VerxHome | thinks they look nice |
| 16:30:06 | VerxHome | W|GGL|T: Yup |
| 16:30:06 | warmi | oh , that's what I have .. except mine is from 1999 |
| 16:30:12 | VerxHome | it gets up and moves, trust me |
| 16:30:13 | W|GGL|T | the v6s are STRONGGG |
| 16:30:18 | warmi | definately not "the new design" |
| 16:30:21 | VerxHome | is pretty surprised |
| 16:30:28 | W|GGL|T | bought an accord v6 instead tho |
| 16:30:35 | W|GGL|T | used, but warrantied |
| 16:30:52 | VerxHome | W|GGL|T: Mine has a 7 year warranty. So after I pay it off, I still have 5 years of warranty |
| 16:31:04 | VerxHome | I wanted that and a 0% loan. I couldn't do that with a Honda or I would have |
| 16:31:10 | W|GGL|T | when/if i get a job, i'll maybe get an altima |
| 16:31:23 | warmi | yeah , it was a good time to buy a car |
| 16:31:36 | VerxHome | say, anyone here know how to tell make to use both cpus? |
| 16:31:52 | W|GGL|T | needs 4 doors and a good bit of HP :o) |
| 16:32:03 | W|GGL|T | is mono-cpu |
| 16:32:04 | tux_mike | 4 doors? bah. |
| 16:32:09 | W|GGL|T | tux_mike: got kids |
| 16:32:16 | tux_mike | 2 doors is all you ever need :) |
| 16:32:19 | W|GGL|T | the eagle talon isn't cutting it |
| 16:32:22 | W|GGL|T | no way |
| 16:32:31 | ljp | if I had an exihibit at LWE, I'd have a monitor show MS' BSOD |
| 16:32:32 | tux_mike | likes his saturn |
| 16:32:37 | W|GGL|T | i can barely fit baby seats in my backseat |
| 16:32:38 | oriumpor | don't feed em... then you can put em in the trunk in stacks of 2 |
| 16:32:42 | W|GGL|T | LOL |
| 16:32:57 | tux_mike | ljp: we can hack it so all their screens are BSODs :) |
| 16:33:03 | warmi | anyone knows who Bradley LaRonde is ? |
| 16:33:13 | whardier | augh |
| 16:33:21 | W|GGL|T | never heard of him |
| 16:34:07 | tux_mike | warmi: nope |
| 16:34:45 | oriumpor | I still have the win98 conference in my head where gates plugs in the USB device and it blue screens |
| 16:34:58 | VerxHome | had a Saturn before the Altima |
| 16:35:05 | VerxHome | loves his '95 Saturn SL2 |
| 16:35:09 | warmi | I talked to a guy who claimed he was Bradley LaRonder last night ( here on this channel) |
| 16:35:10 | VerxHome | was VERY fast |
| 16:35:22 | oriumpor | I'm sure he killed whoever was responsible and burried the body somewhere on his property |
| 16:35:27 | warmi | he claimed he was Agenda Computing CEO ( or former CEO) |
| 16:35:31 | warmi | and was switching to Zaurus |
| 16:35:34 | warmi | something like that |
| 16:36:02 | VerxHome | oriumpor: That was the best demo Gates has ever given |
| 16:36:25 | oriumpor | heh |
| 16:36:39 | VerxHome | and it was a USB printer |
| 16:36:40 | oriumpor | he demonstrated the true functionality of windows 98 first edition to a T |
| 16:36:41 | VerxHome | just fyi |
| 16:36:42 | VerxHome | :) |
| 16:36:49 | oriumpor | I remember pretty well |
| 16:36:53 | oriumpor | :P |
| 16:37:05 | warmi | oriumpor : well, Linux to this day has problems with USB |
| 16:37:06 | warmi | :-) |
| 16:37:37 | oriumpor | warmi: true, but it seldom locks up the system and forces an unsafe reboot |
| 16:38:04 | warmi | yeah |
| 16:38:21 | oriumpor | heh... the sounds for HMM4 are awesome |
| 16:41:17 | W|GGL|T | hrmm...something's not letting go of swap space |
| 16:44:43 | mark | catalin: ping |
| 16:44:45 | XavierXeon | W|GGL|T: konqueror does that (and probably other apps) |
| 16:45:31 | mark | is away: posting a letter |
| 16:46:59 | W|GGL|T | ooops |
| 16:47:03 | W|GGL|T | killed the wrong thing |
| 16:47:05 | W|GGL|T | hehe |
| 16:47:29 | W|GGL|T | but reset the wm....dropped whatever was hogging swap |
| 16:49:37 | W|GGL|T | too bad i can't dualboot the Z |
| 16:54:58 | ljp | why would you want to dual boot a pda? |
| 16:57:42 | W|GGL|T | ljp: because im lazy, want to try OZ again, but don't want to remove the current ROM i have |
| 16:58:12 | W|GGL|T | ive heard of ipaqs dualbooting, so i know it's not impossible |
| 16:58:59 | ljp | I woul dsuggest waiting till a new version of the initrd.bin is released |
| 16:59:26 | treke|home | W|GGL|T: Problem is there is no WinCE release for the Zaurus |
| 16:59:56 | XavierXeon | going back to sharp rom is easy. i made a script which does that in about 5 min |
| 16:59:57 | treke|home | W|GGL|T: And the ipaqs Linux bootloader was written to specifically support this |
| 17:00:52 | W|GGL|T | whoa...almost sideways rain |
| 17:00:56 | W|GGL|T | came outta nowhere |
| 17:02:18 | W|GGL|T | treke|home: ahhh IC |
| 17:03:12 | treke|home | W|GGL|T: The bootloader will boot wince as long as it's in rom, and can load linux off of CF |
| 17:04:02 | W|GGL|T | oh...didn't know they were still working on a newer version of initrd |
| 17:04:41 | W|GGL|T | damn...im glad i wasn't outside grilling (yet) |
| 17:05:01 | W|GGL|T | my steaks, hamburger and hotdogs woulda been soaked! |
| 17:05:53 | treke|home | yummmmm. 4th of July |
| 17:06:36 | Cloudchaser | don't forget corn on the cob! |
| 17:07:00 | W|GGL|T | my wife's favorite |
| 17:07:05 | treke|home | waits for his breakfast to finish cooking |
| 17:07:07 | W|GGL|T | corn on the cob |
| 17:07:18 | W|GGL|T | she likes it grilled! |
| 17:07:44 | Cloudchaser | grilled? |
| 17:08:09 | W|GGL|T | yeah, remove the ears, then put it on the grill |
| 17:08:26 | Cloudchaser | doesn't it burn? |
| 17:08:38 | W|GGL|T | if you keep it on a long while, yeah |
| 17:08:45 | W|GGL|T | doesn't take long to warm |
| 17:09:14 | W|GGL|T | well, some of the kernels may burn |
| 17:09:22 | W|GGL|T | just dont eat those :o) |
| 17:09:32 | Cloudchaser | hee |
| 17:09:43 | W|GGL|T | or, you can wrap it in foil |
| 17:09:47 | Cloudchaser | getting me hungry! |
| 17:09:49 | W|GGL|T | LOL |
| 17:10:36 | treke|home | good thing today is the day we honor our country by eating and blowing shit up |
| 17:11:01 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 17:11:14 | W|GGL|T | at least we eat first :o) |
| 17:11:19 | Cloudchaser | hey.. i was reading...saw you could use debian packages on z? |
| 17:11:41 | W|GGL|T | brb....gotta put someone to sleep |
| 17:11:48 | treke|home | Cloudchaser: Well you can use the contents of them on the Z |
| 17:12:09 | Cloudchaser | ok i found something.. ip subnet calculator for x |
| 17:12:15 | Cloudchaser | that wouldn't work right? |
| 17:12:29 | Cloudchaser | cause you need x? |
| 17:12:34 | treke|home | nope. It would if you put X on though :) |
| 17:12:42 | Cloudchaser | hhe no i don't really want to mess with that |
| 17:12:51 | Cloudchaser | i'll keep looking for one that doesn't need x |
| 17:13:41 | warmi | subnet calc ? |
| 17:13:46 | Cloudchaser | yes |
| 17:13:47 | warmi | what's the name of that app ? |
| 17:13:51 | Cloudchaser | do you know of one? |
| 17:14:04 | Cloudchaser | its gipsc |
| 17:14:07 | warmi | ok |
| 17:14:12 | treke|home | Cloudchaser: You could try writing one. I dont know what the math involved is, but I dont imagine its too complicated |
| 17:14:24 | Cloudchaser | writing one? |
| 17:14:28 | Cloudchaser | hides |
| 17:14:33 | Cloudchaser | no clue how to do that |
| 17:14:48 | treke|home | never too late to learn :) |
| 17:15:04 | Cloudchaser | what would i need to do to get started? |
| 17:15:30 | Cloudchaser | hmm here' a java one.. |
| 17:15:52 | Cloudchaser | could that be made to work? |
| 17:16:13 | treke|home | Cloudchaser: You could try it. I dont know the limits of Java on the Z |
| 17:16:47 | Cloudchaser | if i did want to make things for the z...what would i need to learn? |
| 17:17:01 | Cloudchaser | i see all kinds of stuff in here...seems like you have to know alot |
| 17:17:25 | Cloudchaser | no idea where to even start ;( |
| 17:17:41 | warmi | Cloud: yeah , the sad truth is that you do need to know a lot |
| 17:17:42 | treke|home | Cloudchaser: The first thing would be to learn some C++, maybe write a calculator for the terminal. |
| 17:17:50 | treke|home | yup |
| 17:18:15 | Cloudchaser | i should probly know linux a whole lot better |
| 17:18:58 | Cloudchaser | ok does the z support java platform version 1.1 or above? |
| 17:19:38 | warmi | I am not sure .. I think 1.1 only |
| 17:19:45 | warmi | Twiun would know for sure |
| 17:19:57 | warmi | he is the channel Java guru |
| 17:20:02 | Cloudchaser | oki.. also neeed JDK it loosk like |
| 17:21:08 | warmi | yeah, you would have to have entire Java development kit ( JDK + some sort of editor of your choice) installed on your WIndows or Linux machine |
| 17:22:19 | Cloudchaser | hmm that doesn't sound like it would work too well |
| 17:24:51 | NetAmp | hah, the linuxjournal article is pretty good :) |
| 17:24:54 | Cloudchaser | hmm found a bunch of java subnet calclators |
| 17:25:04 | NetAmp | And quite amusing also: "Keep in mind that downloading ROM files on the Internet for games you do not have is illegal." |
| 17:25:12 | NetAmp | duh ;) |
| 17:25:23 | NetAmp | Cloudchaser: cool :) |
| 17:25:27 | whardier | I FIGURED IT OUT! |
| 17:25:28 | whardier | heh |
| 17:25:32 | whardier | the name of my clothing line |
| 17:25:35 | whardier | 2600 !! |
| 17:25:45 | NetAmp | yee-ha |
| 17:25:49 | Cloudchaser | NetAmp: i don't know how to get them to work on z though |
| 17:26:30 | NetAmp | Cloudchaser: hrm.. do you know Java? |
| 17:26:37 | Cloudchaser | no |
| 17:27:09 | NetAmp | oh.. well, it probably doesn't need modification anyway.. |
| 17:27:39 | NetAmp | I just started reading a bit of the Zaurus Java docs |
| 17:27:52 | NetAmp | there is info about how to add Java apps to the launcher |
| 17:28:00 | Cloudchaser | i thought java apps were supposed to work on all platforms |
| 17:28:05 | NetAmp | but I guess you could also start them from the console. |
| 17:28:11 | NetAmp | Cloudchaser: they should |
| 17:28:11 | Cloudchaser | isn't that their raison d'etre? |
| 17:28:22 | NetAmp | it is... |
| 17:28:45 | Cloudchaser | if i tried one and it didn't work would i mess up my z? |
| 17:28:57 | NetAmp | err that I don't know |
| 17:29:08 | NetAmp | but I guess not if it doesn't change your files ;) |
| 17:30:30 | NetAmp | hmm |
| 17:30:40 | NetAmp | do you know whether it is an applet or an application? |
| 17:30:44 | Cloudchaser | dang i got a window popup i can't close |
| 17:31:16 | Cloudchaser | oh vtsp |
| 17:31:26 | Cloudchaser | oh crap it did something |
| 17:31:28 | NetAmp | on Windows i'd say ALT+F4 ;) |
| 17:31:44 | tux_mike | alt-ctrl-del |
| 17:31:49 | NetAmp | *lol* |
| 17:31:59 | NetAmp | it's cool in chatrooms |
| 17:32:03 | NetAmp | sometimes that works |
| 17:32:21 | NetAmp | telling people they get Operator priviliges from pressing ALT+F4 :P |
| 17:32:32 | NetAmp | (pretty sick huh ;-) |
| 17:33:06 | tux_mike | i've done it before |
| 17:33:13 | NetAmp | :D |
| 17:33:21 | tux_mike | you go into some chans and you see a bunch drop |
| 17:33:30 | Cloudchaser | that should be illegal! |
| 17:33:31 | NetAmp | hehe indeed ;) |
| 17:33:54 | Cloudchaser | flippin popups. .that one put up a search bar at the bottom of my screen |
| 17:34:05 | tux_mike | what's even worse, is go into one channel and say "for free ops, go to #otherchannel" and they will be flooded with people asking for ops |
| 17:34:37 | NetAmp | *lol* |
| 17:36:40 | Cloudchaser | cries what is it with these people! |
| 17:36:51 | NetAmp | :S |
| 17:37:37 | Cloudchaser | bleh |
| 17:37:52 | Cloudchaser | i just want to find a silly subnet calulator |
| 17:38:02 | NetAmp | :( |
| 17:38:08 | Cloudchaser | 2 sites i went to that have a list have that popup that takes over! |
| 17:38:44 | tux_mike | Cloudchaser: what browser do you use? |
| 17:39:00 | tux_mike | god, i hope that palladium blows up in microshaft's face |
| 17:39:07 | Cloudchaser | mumbles |
| 17:39:11 | NetAmp | yeah, very much so |
| 17:39:31 | NetAmp | stupid 'security' initiative, bleh |
| 17:40:51 | Cloudchaser | be back in a minute |
| 17:40:54 | NetAmp | k |
| 17:45:05 | tux_mike | it's all about control |
| 17:45:17 | tux_mike | palladium is being made to control the masses. |
| 17:45:48 | XavierXeon | i think it is (kind of) funny that they show xp embedded at linu expo |
| 17:45:53 | NetAmp | yeah... they're about to assimilate the general public ;) |
| 17:46:04 | tux_mike | thinks tolkien got it right "and nine were gifted to the race of men, who above all else *desired power*" |
| 17:46:09 | NetAmp | "Resistance is futile!" |
| 17:46:34 | NetAmp | XavierXeon: heh yeah ;) |
| 17:47:44 | XavierXeon | kind of scarry to think of cash machines running xp |
| 17:47:47 | tux_mike | these companies (MS/MPAA/RIAA/Disney) want to controll everyone. i've come to the realization that it's not about money. it's about power and control, and they will stop at nothing to control everyone |
| 17:48:04 | NetAmp | :( |
| 17:48:10 | Cloud-Z | its scary |
| 17:48:15 | tux_mike | quite |
| 17:48:15 | NetAmp | we're nearing 1984 |
| 17:48:51 | tux_mike | hopefully free market will prevent 1984. it is the *only* thing that has the power to do so |
| 17:48:57 | NetAmp | :) |
| 17:49:17 | XavierXeon | 1984 is reality. orwell had ot wrong though. you do not have to contol individuals, you just have to influence the masses |
| 17:49:29 | tux_mike | that is true |
| 17:50:00 | tux_mike | but without individual control you will always have rogues who will fight the power. and every now and again, they will succede |
| 17:50:14 | XavierXeon | :) |
| 17:53:38 | treke|home | tux_mike: So kill all individuals |
| 18:01:03 | | feed is a package repository or http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds or http://www.zauruszone.com/feed/ or http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/ for OpenZaurus |
| 18:01:03 | kaygee | ibot feed |
| 18:08:10 | sig | howdy howdy |
| 18:08:15 | asterick | hiya. |
| 18:08:16 | NetAmp | howdee |
| 18:08:36 | sig | is tkcmail out yet? |
| 18:08:48 | asterick | Quick question for ya... What CF 802.11b card would you recommend? |
| 18:08:55 | XavierXeon | has messed up oz again |
| 18:09:02 | sig | pretec |
| 18:11:45 | asterick | It doesn't appear they have a WiFi card out yet. |
| 18:12:41 | tboc | btw. is it right that openzaurus writes stuff such as pim-data on the internal flash? |
| 18:15:39 | NetAmp | spams sharp.nl yet again :P |
| 18:16:12 | NetAmp | jeesh... at least they understand the definition of *slow* over there. |
| 18:16:21 | XavierXeon | NetAmp: stil no Z ? |
| 18:16:27 | NetAmp | *sigh* *sob* |
| 18:16:29 | NetAmp | no |
| 18:16:44 | NetAmp | I've mailed them asking about any differences |
| 18:16:44 | XavierXeon | Do you want an us keyboard ? |
| 18:16:53 | NetAmp | between US and NL device |
| 18:17:01 | NetAmp | but they haven't responded so far |
| 18:17:44 | NetAmp | I'm already using a standard keyboard |
| 18:18:06 | XavierXeon | standard keyboard ? |
| 18:18:24 | NetAmp | on my PC. |
| 18:18:29 | NetAmp | so I don't mind that. |
| 18:19:04 | XavierXeon | UK versions have us keyboard layout (except for pound symbol) |
| 18:19:24 | NetAmp | hm.. |
| 18:20:16 | NetAmp | I was already thinking of getting one from the US |
| 18:20:26 | XavierXeon | so you could just use an us rom on it |
| 18:20:28 | NetAmp | since the dollar exchange rate is getting better. |
| 18:20:57 | XavierXeon | i don't know how they will handle warranty for us models in europe |
| 18:21:13 | NetAmp | yeah that was one of the things holding me back. |
| 18:21:29 | NetAmp | And that i'd like to see that thing in a store, hah ;) |
| 18:21:55 | NetAmp | But on the other hand it's taking them pretty long to get it distributed here |
| 18:22:04 | XavierXeon | since the brits are within the european union they must give you a warranty |
| 18:22:33 | NetAmp | oh yeah ofcourse :) |
| 18:22:49 | NetAmp | but I think it'd be even more expensive in pounds, heh ;) |
| 18:23:15 | XavierXeon | i lived in the uk for 4 years : everything is unpayable |
| 18:23:38 | NetAmp | :S |
| 18:25:02 | whardier | AUGH |
| 18:25:08 | whardier | any packet kiddies here? |
| 18:25:28 | NetAmp | heh |
| 18:25:32 | XavierXeon | packet kiddies ? |
| 18:25:35 | whardier | sure! |
| 18:25:37 | NetAmp | lol |
| 18:25:51 | whardier | actually |
| 18:25:56 | whardier | I am modifying the wrong file |
| 18:25:56 | whardier | heh |
| 18:26:02 | NetAmp | 's high on packets |
| 18:26:06 | NetAmp | good job ;) |
| 18:27:00 | VerxHome | wow |
| 18:27:10 | treke|home | gah. Havent needed my cf card for 3 months now, now I cant find the damn thing |
| 18:27:14 | VerxHome | David Gibson came out with a new orinoco driver YESTERDAY |
| 18:27:19 | whardier | I am trying to add headers to packets |
| 18:27:20 | whardier | heh |
| 18:27:23 | whardier | all packets.. |
| 18:27:33 | treke|home | wants poldhu drivers for familiar |
| 18:27:38 | VerxHome | it is the first driver that lets my D-LINK DWL-500/DWL-650 work WITHOUT errors - since I bought it last November! |
| 18:28:01 | XavierXeon | wants umts cf modem |
| 18:28:05 | NetAmp | are you upto something again? ;) like some kind of evil plan to corrupt wireless packets? :P |
| 18:28:08 | VerxHome | umts? |
| 18:28:28 | treke|home | VerxHome: Getting the xjack 3com card working on my ipaq would rock big time :) |
| 18:28:59 | XavierXeon | umts = Universal Mobile Telecommunications |
| 18:29:00 | VerxHome | treke: Heh. I have an ancient xircom creditcard ethernet card, works perfect |
| 18:29:26 | VerxHome | and a CF 56K Modem that worked under winCE, but I haven't even tried it on the iPAQ |
| 18:29:30 | VerxHome | hates modems |
| 18:29:36 | NetAmp | we need umts, in the Netherlands we only have gprs, which sucks :P |
| 18:29:45 | VerxHome | s/on the iPAQ/on the iPAQ with Linux |
| 18:29:54 | VerxHome | heh |
| 18:29:59 | NetAmp | ;) |
| 18:30:00 | VerxHome | we don't even really have gprs yet |
| 18:30:06 | NetAmp | hm :( |
| 18:30:13 | XavierXeon | ETA for umts in germany is in 2 years *sigh* |
| 18:30:26 | NetAmp | like 4 years here :( |
| 18:30:26 | VerxHome | is "anxiously" waiting for gprs service to become reasonably priced and widely available |
| 18:30:38 | treke|home | gprs? |
| 18:30:39 | VerxHome | what does umts have on gprs? |
| 18:30:50 | VerxHome | treke: It is digital cellular modem |
| 18:30:54 | asterick | GPRS service stops in like a 30mi radius from my house. |
| 18:31:03 | NetAmp | general packet radio system(?) |
| 18:31:08 | NetAmp | something like that... |
| 18:31:09 | asterick | service |
| 18:31:18 | NetAmp | ah yeah service.. |
| 18:31:25 | XavierXeon | VerxHome: umts has data rate of ADSL (if you are lucky) |
| 18:31:35 | VerxHome | my god man |
| 18:31:43 | NetAmp | heh |
| 18:31:47 | VerxHome | that would change the world we live in |
| 18:31:49 | VerxHome | seriously |
| 18:31:58 | NetAmp | wireless ADSL ;) |
| 18:32:06 | XavierXeon | and you can not spy on umts ! |
| 18:32:07 | VerxHome | well, when the price of it becomes such that many people can use it |
| 18:32:21 | VerxHome | XavierXeon: ROFL ROFL ROFL. It isn't out, and you are saying that |
| 18:32:24 | VerxHome | you can spy on everything |
| 18:32:27 | VerxHome | it just takes a bit |
| 18:32:27 | VerxHome | :) |
| 18:33:03 | treke|home | man that would rock |
| 18:33:04 | XavierXeon | no it is physical impossible, since the signal is below the white noise threshold |
| 18:33:09 | VerxHome | treke: Hell yeah |
| 18:33:20 | VerxHome | XavierXeon: Wrong. |
| 18:33:35 | XavierXeon | sure ? |
| 18:33:35 | VerxHome | works for Boeing in data security |
| 18:33:44 | VerxHome | many many MANY impossible things |
| 18:33:47 | VerxHome | are in fact possible |
| 18:33:49 | treke|home | if the person its meant for can get it, someone else can get it ventually |
| 18:34:06 | VerxHome | btw Xavier, is it point to point? |
| 18:34:08 | VerxHome | how does it work? |
| 18:34:26 | VerxHome | point to point would be unbelievably kickass |
| 18:34:27 | VerxHome | :) |
| 18:34:28 | sig | http://sig.ath.cx/vncz.jpg |
| 18:35:09 | XavierXeon | it basically spreads the signal over the whole EM spectrum, so that the amplitude becomes smaller than the backround radiation |
| 18:35:13 | treke|home | sig: That is sick and twisted. I like it :) |
| 18:35:21 | sig | treke|home: heh |
| 18:35:23 | NetAmp | sig: hm cool :) |
| 18:35:24 | sig | thanks |
| 18:35:52 | VerxHome | hey sig, can you TYPE to the tightvnc? Or do you have to mouse tap those keys? |
| 18:36:07 | sig | you can type with your keyboard |
| 18:36:28 | sig | or you can waste time and use the qwerty keyboard with your mouse |
| 18:36:29 | sig | hah |
| 18:36:29 | VerxHome | sig: You have a Z then I assume? |
| 18:36:32 | sig | yes |
| 18:36:39 | VerxHome | I couldn't get it to work with my iPAQ |
| 18:36:41 | VerxHome | :( |
| 18:36:43 | treke|home | VerxHome: It will work with an ipaq |
| 18:36:50 | treke|home | just not your ipaq :) |
| 18:36:54 | VerxHome | treke: mmhmm |
| 18:37:03 | sig | heh |
| 18:37:11 | VerxHome | slaps treke with the worlds largest, metal spike protruding trout |
| 18:37:19 | treke|home | VerxHome: The rotation makes it impractical to use on the 3800 |
| 18:37:34 | VerxHome | treke: Oh, so tightvnc displays it upside down, eh? |
| 18:37:44 | NetAmp | hah |
| 18:37:49 | treke|home | yup |
| 18:37:52 | VerxHome | someone TELL me what the heck compaq was thinking |
| 18:38:08 | sig | well I'll bbl, I gotta get ready |
| 18:38:17 | XavierXeon | thinking is illegal |
| 18:38:26 | treke|home | upside down is one thing... going upside down to right side up to upside down is bizarre |
| 18:38:44 | treke|home | VerxHome: Well even worse, it sideways if you arent using something that knows it's sideways :) |
| 18:39:00 | VerxHome | what do you mean? |
| 18:39:18 | treke|home | the native format is 320x240 not 240x320 |
| 18:41:17 | VerxHome | does a test compile of opie on a dual cpu system, to see how long it takes |
| 18:44:15 | treke|home | wonders when pda developers will start putting a rocker switch on the side of pdas again |
| 18:44:47 | NetAmp | hah |
| 18:45:44 | treke|home | NetAmp: Was browsing a page on philips nino hardware. The buttons there were so much nicer than on the ipaq/z |
| 18:47:40 | NetAmp | hey I heard about that... |
| 18:48:20 | treke|home | NetAmp: They had the buttons on the sides, so you could use them with the hand your holding the device with, leaving the other free to do whatever or use a stylus |
| 18:48:33 | NetAmp | sweet :) |
| 18:48:47 | treke|home | yeah |
| 18:48:50 | NetAmp | Also a pushable scroll button would be nice |
| 18:48:58 | NetAmp | like the Sony Clié has |
| 18:49:05 | NetAmp | (f.e.) |
| 18:49:08 | treke|home | NetAmp: That was there |
| 18:49:16 | NetAmp | cool |
| 18:49:17 | NetAmp | Still I like the 5000D/5500's buttons better than those of the new Japanese model. |
| 18:49:39 | NetAmp | those are kinda square :S |
| 18:49:40 | treke|home | having the buttons on the button forces two handed usage :) |
| 18:49:57 | NetAmp | yeah true.. |
| 18:50:10 | NetAmp | Maybe they'll take note of that at Sharp :) |
| 18:51:03 | treke|home | http://handhelds.org/COTW/projects/nino/port/sides-off.jpg |
| 18:51:17 | treke|home | you can see where the buttons were :) |
| 18:51:42 | NetAmp | wow that's good |
| 18:51:45 | NetAmp | too bad it's WinCE :P |
| 18:52:02 | treke|home | wince 2.0 i think :) |
| 18:52:35 | NetAmp | heh |
| 18:52:36 | treke|home | I think You can get Linux on it though |
| 18:52:45 | NetAmp | yah: http://handhelds.org/COTW/projects/nino/port/ |
| 18:53:10 | treke|home | problem is the nino rom makes the zaurus look downright spacious :) |
| 18:53:16 | NetAmp | :D |
| 18:53:17 | NetAmp | ghehe |
| 18:53:35 | NetAmp | Also, wouldn't you need special drivers for those side buttons? |
| 18:55:00 | XavierXeon | VerxHome: some umts specificaions at http://www.cost281.org/docs/schulz-gerhard_slides.pdf |
| 18:56:44 | NetAmp | heh, that nino even uses Sharp flash rom ;) |
| 18:58:19 | NetAmp | "From this, if we were to count memory in bytes, Windows CE actually fits in less than 8MB. It's about time Micro$oft shrank Windows down." |
| 18:58:20 | NetAmp | ;) |
| 19:11:52 | asterick | Grr... I hate review sites. |
| 19:22:52 | NetAmp | l8r |
| 19:33:34 | Fatbum | hey i need some help....where have they put the original rom? |
| 19:33:49 | Fatbum | i figured they'd take it offline......unless im just totally retarded.... |
| 19:33:53 | Fatbum | it seems gone |
| 19:33:56 | Fatbum | for 550 |
| 19:34:03 | Fatbum | 5500...1.3 rom i think |
| 19:34:11 | Fatbum | they released a couple months ago |
| 19:34:22 | iang | the 5500 takes the 2.* roms. |
| 19:34:36 | iang | http://www.myzaurus.com/ROMupdate2.asp |
| 19:34:39 | iang | is version 2.2 |
| 19:34:48 | Fatbum | right |
| 19:34:59 | Fatbum | im using the oz rom now.... |
| 19:35:10 | Fatbum | so if i just put the rom on the cf....it should work right? |
| 19:35:16 | Fatbum | it did b4...but last time...no such luck |
| 19:35:51 | W|GGL|T | is away: coffee/smoke break! |
| 19:37:09 | iang | Yes, it should. But you have to name it "ospack", not "ospack.srom". |
| 19:37:26 | iang | and it should be the only file on the card, and the card should have a FAT16 filesystem. |
| 19:38:39 | Fatbum | done and done.... |
| 19:38:58 | Fatbum | it may have been .srom last time....but before when it worked i remember it having no extensionm |
| 19:39:25 | Fatbum | what about gui custimization? can you change the background with any kind of app in the....sharp rom? |
| 19:40:36 | ljp | nope |
| 19:40:46 | Fatbum | why not? |
| 19:40:49 | Fatbum | whats up with that? |
| 19:41:09 | ljp | I dunno.. I'm not Sharp.. |
| 19:41:17 | Fatbum | heheh i know |
| 19:41:23 | ljp | :) |
| 19:41:32 | Fatbum | thres no way at all? |
| 19:41:46 | ljp | probably because they are marketting it for business types |
| 19:44:37 | Fatbum | lites come on, then go off |
| 19:44:39 | Fatbum | ?? |
| 19:44:45 | iang | right away? |
| 19:45:00 | Fatbum | like as soon as i took off c and d |
| 19:45:05 | Fatbum | ill give another whirl |
| 19:45:12 | nyargh | oh |
| 19:45:20 | nyargh | make sure your card is formatted right |
| 19:45:26 | iang | that's what happened to me when I assumed my digital camera formatted my CF card as FAT16. It's not. Use the Z to explicitly reformat the CF. |
| 19:45:33 | nyargh | yah |
| 19:45:34 | nyargh | ditto |
| 19:46:20 | Fatbum | k |
| 19:48:17 | Fatbum | mkfs.vfat? |
| 19:48:29 | Fatbum | or .msdos |
| 19:48:36 | iang | msdos |
| 19:48:43 | iang | -F16 |
| 19:48:58 | iang | (though that's probably the default) |
| 19:49:23 | Fatbum | for cf |
| 19:49:31 | Fatbum | i used to know |
| 19:50:08 | Fatbum | ./dev/??? |
| 19:50:34 | Fatbum | hda? |
| 19:50:36 | Fatbum | hdc? |
| 19:50:39 | Fatbum | mmm? |
| 19:50:43 | iang | hda1 |
| 19:51:22 | Fatbum | no such device or address |
| 19:52:53 | ToyKeeper | Er, can I run X11 on a Z? |
| 19:52:54 | iang | It really is /dev/hda1 . |
| 19:53:14 | Fatbum | ToyKeeper yea |
| 19:53:20 | iang | Your CF card is inserted, and the little card icon is showing up in the bar at the bottom? |
| 19:53:27 | Fatbum | yea |
| 19:53:33 | ToyKeeper | I might get one if I can run the same stuff on it as on familiar/ipaq.. |
| 19:53:37 | Fatbum | then when i try to mkfs it says its mounted... |
| 19:53:47 | ToyKeeper | (opie doesn't interest me, but X11 is fun.. :) |
| 19:53:47 | iang | Oh. You have to umount it first. |
| 19:53:54 | Fatbum | i did |
| 19:53:57 | Fatbum | now i get that msg |
| 19:54:23 | iang | "umount /dev/hda1; mkfs.msdos -F 16 /dev/hda1" |
| 19:55:00 | Fatbum | no such device or address buddy |
| 19:55:36 | Fatbum | oh wait |
| 19:55:37 | Fatbum | got it |
| 19:55:38 | iang | Had you tried mkfs'ing /dev/hda by accident a moment ago? |
| 19:55:38 | Fatbum | yay |
| 19:55:46 | iang | Ah. What was up? |
| 19:55:47 | Fatbum | nope |
| 19:56:01 | Fatbum | turns out umount and eject card are different *slap myself* |
| 19:56:03 | Fatbum | duh |
| 19:56:14 | iang | Oops. :-) |
| 19:57:24 | D10 | Anyone here tried PetitTrack? |
| 19:57:24 | NeoTron | http://www.handhelds.org/scap/port.9243.png :) |
| 19:57:29 | Fatbum | and my pc locks up when i transfer the rom from my hd to cf reader |
| 19:59:32 | Fatbum | lame windows |
| 19:59:34 | Fatbum | grrr |
| 20:00:04 | Fatbum | just sits at 55 seconds remaining |
| 20:00:24 | D10 | Can anyone here help with a problem with MPEG playback? |
| 20:00:34 | Fatbum | i prolly can |
| 20:00:39 | Fatbum | if its not mepg1 it wont work |
| 20:01:02 | D10 | It not that. It will work on files without sound, but gets |
| 20:01:11 | D10 | stuck with looping sound |
| 20:01:25 | D10 | if I try and play back one with a soundtrack |
| 20:01:36 | NeoTron | is away: afk |
| 20:01:46 | Fatbum | hmm |
| 20:02:13 | D10 | The main problem I tend to find with Linux (as an OS) |
| 20:02:35 | Fatbum | as opposed to a game :) |
| 20:02:38 | D10 | is that the apps tend not to deal as well with erroneous data |
| 20:02:44 | Fatbum | yeah... |
| 20:02:48 | Fatbum | i dig D10 |
| 20:02:51 | D10 | As opposed to the kernel |
| 20:04:19 | D10 | whenever I play back an MPEG file, with an Audio track, it locks up to the point of needing a soft reset |
| 20:04:28 | Fatbum | thats weird |
| 20:04:31 | Fatbum | .... |
| 20:05:52 | D10 | Have you tried doing that using the Qtopia Media Player? |
| 20:05:59 | Fatbum | yeah... |
| 20:06:10 | Fatbum | didnt happen to me... |
| 20:06:20 | D10 | hmmm |
| 20:06:20 | Fatbum | does the file play alright on your desktop |
| 20:06:21 | Fatbum | ? |
| 20:06:26 | D10 | yeah |
| 20:06:28 | D10 | fine |
| 20:06:39 | D10 | tried different file sizes |
| 20:06:49 | D10 | only link is that no audio - fine |
| 20:06:50 | Fatbum | do you know what format the audio is in? |
| 20:06:57 | D10 | audio gets stuck |
| 20:07:23 | D10 | MPEG1 audio is standard, I assume? PCM? |
| 20:07:45 | D10 | or at least something standard |
| 20:07:56 | Fatbum | what rom and z version? |
| 20:08:36 | D10 | UK SL5500 ROM v2.14 |
| 20:08:52 | Fatbum | that is whack man..... |
| 20:08:56 | D10 | I think there is a newer one on Sharp's Site |
| 20:09:00 | Fatbum | can you play mp3s alright? |
| 20:09:03 | Fatbum | 2.2 |
| 20:09:05 | D10 | Fine |
| 20:09:19 | D10 | But it says "US Only" |
| 20:09:35 | Fatbum | oh |
| 20:09:46 | Fatbum | i wonder if they mean it :-) |
| 20:09:49 | D10 | Is it OK on UK models, or am I being dumb? |
| 20:09:54 | D10 | :-) |
| 20:10:19 | D10 | Even then the errata doesn't seem to mention this problem |
| 20:11:01 | Fatbum | maybe the mpg is some us file ??? and your using the uk rom? |
| 20:11:07 | Fatbum | that sounds ridiculous to me..... |
| 20:11:12 | Fatbum | but you never know...crazy sharp |
| 20:12:12 | D10 | hmm No-one from Sharp here? |
| 20:12:50 | D10 | Anyone had a problem with MPEG video playback? |
| 20:12:51 | whardier | D10 you can mock them in her.e. its safe |
| 20:12:51 | Fatbum | yeah rite |
| 20:13:05 | Fatbum | sharp be at home with schlong in hand |
| 20:13:12 | Fatbum | "what is a computer" says sharp |
| 20:13:17 | whardier | D10: I got an email from somebody saying that their mail was not working right.. |
| 20:13:17 | Fatbum | hehe |
| 20:13:33 | whardier | D10: but that did not discuss.. what the problem was |
| 20:13:38 | D10 | I meant more that they could help |
| 20:13:46 | Fatbum | sharp rom loaded! |
| 20:13:47 | Fatbum | weeeee |
| 20:14:05 | Fatbum | fun times ahead eh guys? |
| 20:14:54 | Fatbum | or...it doesnt work |
| 20:14:55 | Fatbum | hehe |
| 20:16:47 | Fatbum | i hope i didnt screw it up |
| 20:28:04 | D10 | Anyone know anything about MPEG video problems in QTopia? |
| 20:30:30 | BinaryApe | D10: I tried some videos from my hard disk which didn't work, but the ones I've tried from pocketmovies.net worked fine. |
| 20:30:53 | D10 | did they have audio? |
| 20:30:57 | BinaryApe | Yes. |
| 20:31:01 | D10 | hmm |
| 20:31:03 | BinaryApe | I've got a UK ROM too. |
| 20:31:12 | D10 | Ahh? |
| 20:31:17 | D10 | Which version? |
| 20:31:41 | BinaryApe | I'll just check... |
| 20:32:35 | BinaryApe | 2.14 |
| 20:32:43 | D10 | hmm same? |
| 20:32:50 | D10 | I mean same. |
| 20:33:08 | D10 | sorry, been long day |
| 20:33:33 | BinaryApe | I know the feeling :-) |
| 20:34:22 | D10 | just downloading a file from pocket movies |
| 20:34:34 | BinaryApe | The video on pocketmovies.net called 9.81 m/s works fine with audio |
| 20:34:47 | BinaryApe | quite funny too |
| 20:35:07 | D10 | I wonder if it may be the size, but I didn't think so |
| 20:35:17 | BinaryApe | The "Typical Male Robot Behaviour works" too. |
| 20:35:32 | BinaryApe | It could be the size - are they played off CF or builtin RAM? |
| 20:35:53 | D10 | I think I was using SD when I had the problems |
| 20:36:38 | D10 | Have to have a look at the block diagram of the SL-5500 and see if that could cause a problem |
| 20:36:57 | D10 | Download done |
| 20:37:12 | D10 | Uploading to Zaurus now |
| 20:37:41 | BinaryApe | Which one did you download? |
| 20:38:37 | D10 | not 981, you sexy thing as it was the first one with audio |
| 20:38:41 | D10 | just a sec |
| 20:40:00 | D10 | trying it now |
| 20:40:59 | D10 | ok it works, I feel dumb now.. |
| 20:41:04 | D10 | :-) |
| 20:41:18 | D10 | I can only think it is the curse of linux apps |
| 20:41:28 | D10 | bad exception handling |
| 20:41:31 | BinaryApe | No, there seems to be something about some MPEGs that really upsets the Media player on the Zaurus |
| 20:41:48 | BinaryApe | But you're right, it should really give an error message |
| 20:42:10 | D10 | or do what the desktop players do and drop the errorenous frame |
| 20:42:23 | BinaryApe | I wonder what the best settings are for creating MPEGs...? |
| 20:42:57 | D10 | might try analysing these that make it crash and see what causes it |
| 20:43:24 | D10 | check their format against MPEGs published format with a hex editor |
| 20:43:59 | D10 | in my liberal free time LOL |
| 20:44:15 | BinaryApe | They've got "405" on that site too - a really good little SFX film |
| 20:44:38 | D10 | I went to it first and thought it was a subscription site |
| 20:45:39 | BinaryApe | Seems to be all free stuff, I think. It might be to support their shareware movie player software |
| 20:46:08 | D10 | ohh for PPC, as in MS PPC rather than Mac PPC |
| 20:46:41 | D10 | when the redhat beta iso finshes, I'll grab that |
| 20:46:48 | BinaryApe | They seem to be the same people who did the MPEG TV software for Linux a few years ago. |
| 20:46:57 | BinaryApe | You've got a MS PPC too? |
| 20:47:52 | D10 | nahh |
| 20:48:07 | D10 | This is the upgrade from a Palm |
| 20:48:10 | ralfw | question .. |
| 20:48:42 | ralfw | i write .. return 0x7fffffff/(a>>16); |
| 20:48:45 | D10 | Although the Palm productivity software seems to be a little better thought out |
| 20:48:52 | ralfw | its compiled to .. |
| 20:49:14 | ralfw | mvn r0, #-2147483648, bl __divsi3, ... |
| 20:49:31 | BinaryApe | D10: I agree. It's a pity the Palm emulators aren't faster, really. |
| 20:49:31 | ralfw | but 0x7fff... isnt supposed to be negative right ? |
| 20:51:22 | D10 | no |
| 20:51:36 | D10 | unless the machine is big rather than little endian |
| 20:51:49 | ralfw | so.. compiler bug ? |
| 20:51:58 | D10 | which compiler |
| 20:52:00 | D10 | ? |
| 20:52:08 | ralfw | it happens with gcc 2.95.2 and 3.1 |
| 20:52:21 | D10 | It's a corner case so I would say yes |
| 20:52:34 | D10 | actually |
| 20:52:56 | D10 | no |
| 20:53:11 | D10 | if you shift a twos complement number down |
| 20:53:15 | D10 | 16 places |
| 20:53:31 | D10 | it may sign extend at the top |
| 20:53:38 | D10 | by filling with ones |
| 20:53:57 | D10 | the resultant number will then have a sign bit of 1 |
| 20:54:07 | D10 | and thus be negative |
| 20:54:20 | D10 | positive over negative is negative |
| 20:54:38 | ralfw | i can write 0x7fffff00 and its still -2147483648 |
| 20:54:41 | D10 | I think |
| 20:54:41 | ralfw | its strange .. |
| 20:54:47 | ralfw | yep.. but a isnt known |
| 20:55:00 | D10 | yes I think the problem is the a>>16 downshift |
| 20:56:29 | D10 | how big is a in nibbles? |
| 20:56:50 | ralfw | 8 |
| 20:56:54 | ralfw | signed |
| 20:57:49 | ralfw | hmm |
| 20:58:13 | ralfw | x86 works .. |
| 20:58:18 | D10 | you're right looks suspiciously like a compiler bug |
| 20:59:37 | D10 | so you downshift to leave the top 4 nibbles |
| 21:00:50 | D10 | which will SHOULD sign extend the original MSB into the top 4 nibbles |
| 21:01:12 | D10 | what about if you make it 0x7fff0000 ? |
| 21:01:15 | ralfw | looks like constants are broken .. |
| 21:01:24 | ralfw | return 0x7ffff700/a; |
| 21:01:26 | ralfw | gives .. |
| 21:01:46 | ralfw | mvn ip, #2288 |
| 21:01:46 | ralfw | sub r2, ip, #-2147483633 |
| 21:01:46 | ralfw | mov r1, r0 |
| 21:01:46 | ralfw | str lr, [sp, #-4]! |
| 21:01:46 | ralfw | mov r0, r2 |
| 21:01:46 | ralfw | bl __divsi3 |
| 21:02:31 | ralfw | this is ok but .. |
| 21:02:36 | D10 | not used to reading mnemonics |
| 21:02:51 | ralfw | well.. |
| 21:03:08 | D10 | mvn=move |
| 21:03:11 | ralfw | ip ends up being 2288 - (-2147483633) |
| 21:03:32 | D10 | sub=subtract |
| 21:04:32 | ralfw | it ends up being .. 800008e |
| 21:04:36 | ralfw | 1 |
| 21:04:46 | ralfw | 0x800008e1 |
| 21:05:11 | D10 | mantissa exponent? |
| 21:05:27 | ralfw | its integer |
| 21:05:56 | ralfw | maybe the idiv wants negative dividends.. |
| 21:06:03 | ralfw | ill look it up 8p |
| 21:06:17 | iang | Nope, the bug happens even without the div. |
| 21:06:30 | iang | int foo(int a) { |
| 21:06:30 | iang | return 0x7ffffff0; |
| 21:06:31 | iang | } |
| 21:06:50 | iang | yields: |
| 21:06:51 | iang | foo: |
| 21:06:51 | iang | @ args = 0, pretend = 0, frame = 0 |
| 21:06:52 | iang | @ frame_needed = 1, current_function_anonymous_args = 0 |
| 21:06:52 | iang | movip, sp |
| 21:06:52 | iang | stmfdsp!, {fp, ip, lr, pc} |
| 21:06:54 | iang | subfp, ip, #4 |
| 21:06:56 | iang | mvnr0, #-2147483633 |
| 21:06:58 | iang | ldmeafp, {fp, sp, pc} |
| 21:07:06 | ralfw | so.. compiler bug 8p |
| 21:07:14 | iang | Looks like. |
| 21:07:38 | ralfw | how come they compiled the whole zaurus stuff with a compiler unable to emit large integers .. |
| 21:07:39 | D10 | OK I stand corrected, but I'm not a programmer |
| 21:07:48 | ralfw | :[ |
| 21:07:56 | D10 | at least not for the Zaurus...yet |
| 21:08:36 | D10 | I can do C, ASM for about 12 architectures etc. <include standard CV junk> |
| 21:09:07 | ralfw | gee.. a 0x7fff is coded as "mov ip, #32512, add r2, ip, #255" |
| 21:09:07 | D10 | opps been a while <#include "standardcvjunk.h"> |
| 21:09:24 | ralfw | ya.. i can code for .. |
| 21:09:29 | ralfw | 8080 |
| 21:09:41 | ralfw | 8088, 8086, 8186 .. |
| 21:10:05 | ralfw | like.. 10 different architectures ;> |
| 21:10:44 | D10 | not really a fan of intel, prefer big endian stuff |
| 21:11:24 | iang | I've done some tests. It looks like it fucks up when the high bit of the *low word* of the 2-word (4-byte) int is set. |
| 21:12:48 | iang | (and it's sufficiently big? there's some other condition.) |
| 21:13:00 | ralfw | someone test printf("%x\n", 0x7fffffff) on a zaurus plz .. |
| 21:14:20 | iang | Output is correct. |
| 21:14:46 | ralfw | hrm .. |
| 21:15:00 | ralfw | so the code looks bad but it works ? |
| 21:15:00 | iang | But that's because the number is correct in the asm. (check it out) |
| 21:15:27 | ralfw | static int blerg = ((1<<31)-1); gives .word 2147483647 |
| 21:15:40 | iang | and the asm is? |
| 21:15:52 | ralfw | .word 2147483647 |
| 21:16:01 | D10 | is it only when a constant is used in a return statement then? |
| 21:16:41 | ralfw | mm |
| 21:16:49 | ralfw | mvn = movenegative ? |
| 21:16:52 | ralfw | 8p |
| 21:18:21 | iang | Yup. D'oh. :-) |
| 21:18:34 | ralfw | oh well.. |
| 21:18:34 | iang | mvn == "move negated". (1's complement) |
| 21:18:44 | ralfw | hides |
| 21:18:45 | iang | False alarm. :-p |
| 21:19:58 | D10 | sigh.. |
| 21:20:23 | D10 | nice to know programmer still check the compiler output though |
| 21:20:36 | ralfw | ya.. i was coding for the gba .. |
| 21:20:47 | ralfw | gcc 3.01 or something .. |
| 21:20:51 | ralfw | modulo was broken .. |
| 21:21:00 | D10 | cool those kinds of projects make me |
| 21:21:17 | ralfw | took me 4 days to find out why doom hung up .. |
| 21:21:26 | D10 | far more optimistic about the future |
| 21:21:40 | D10 | of the net/computer/engineering |
| 21:21:45 | D10 | etc. |
| 21:22:17 | D10 | what's the app? A Doom Port? |
| 21:22:22 | ralfw | yep .. |
| 21:22:31 | D10 | nice |
| 21:22:46 | D10 | GPL or going to go mercenary on us? |
| 21:23:01 | ralfw | it starts, shows backgroundpic/menu, loads a level -> out of memory |
| 21:23:05 | ralfw | unfinished |
| 21:23:20 | ralfw | i stopped working on it a year ago |
| 21:23:53 | ralfw | but it left suspicion regarding gcc-arm and divs of all sort .. |
| 21:24:06 | ralfw | thats why i was checking the compiler output .. |
| 21:24:19 | ralfw | before actualy running it 8p |
| 21:42:55 | BeFrank | bye |
| 23:00:52 | Dilb | hi |
| 23:07:36 | gecko_x2 | b00 |
| 23:12:45 | mark | http://www.linux-mag.com/2000-08/desktop_01.html -- hehe, JasonNJ |
| 23:17:47 | asterick | is the Netgear 802.11b adapter good? |
