| 00:00:00 | BigBoss | treke: thanks |
| 00:00:04 | mark | no, I mean, are they just like one file? |
| 00:00:18 | BigBoss | mark: they have collected hundreds of thousands of dollars at the League and no one knows what it was spent on |
| 00:00:30 | treke | mark: no, its a bunch of files |
| 00:01:19 | treke | Just tar up the directory, and put it on the Z |
| 00:01:36 | mark | treke: okay, i better go buy some of them :). |
| 00:01:52 | treke | hehe. They have them all online at lucasarts.com |
| 00:01:56 | treke | (for sale) |
| 00:02:30 | mark | cool |
| 00:02:39 | mark | so it scales down to fit the screen? |
| 00:02:41 | treke | comes out to around 60 bucks for all of them |
| 00:02:49 | treke | no scaling involved |
| 00:03:02 | treke | the originals where 320x240 :0 |
| 00:03:14 | mark | were they? wow. lol. |
| 00:03:30 | treke | except for Curse of Monkey Island |
| 00:04:49 | mark__ | treke: thats inconvenient actually. if my Z goes on its side you can't use the kebyoard :/ |
| 00:05:02 | treke | mark: you dont need they keyboard |
| 00:05:21 | mark__ | what do you use? |
| 00:05:26 | treke | Pretty sure all you needed was the stylus |
| 00:05:36 | mark__ | hmm, okay |
| 00:05:39 | mark__ | i can download demos you say? |
| 00:06:00 | treke | No, you can buy them online. You can probably track down some demos though |
| 00:06:18 | alphablue | i wish i could get the redhat kernel to compile with the damn usbd patch |
| 00:06:25 | nhudson | anyone using OZ? |
| 00:06:27 | mark__ | oh right. bet this place dont take my odd card.. |
| 00:06:36 | alphablue | nhduson moi |
| 00:07:10 | nhudson | can you send me your /lib/modules/2.4.6-rmk../modules.dep file? |
| 00:07:19 | nhudson | for some reason mine didnt come with one |
| 00:07:26 | nhudson | and I cant load my wireless module |
| 00:07:34 | alphablue | then your rom didn't install properly |
| 00:07:58 | nhudson | thats the 4th time Ive installed OZ |
| 00:08:05 | alphablue | hmm |
| 00:08:26 | mark__ | i wonder if grim frandango was a scumm game |
| 00:08:41 | treke | I think it is |
| 00:08:42 | alphablue | i'd love to send to you.. but currently i'm having trouble getting networking working between my computer and zaurus |
| 00:08:53 | treke | but, that version of scumm isnt supported :) |
| 00:08:58 | nhudson | thats cool |
| 00:09:02 | mark__ | treke: hehe |
| 00:09:26 | treke | mark: It seems to do everything after maniac mansion, and before Dig/Full Throttle |
| 00:09:26 | mark__ | looks for his day of the tenticle CD instead |
| 00:09:34 | treke | dott does work |
| 00:10:22 | treke | mark_: http://scummvm.sourceforge.net/compatibility.php |
| 00:10:55 | mark | treke: 95 percent |
| 00:11:16 | treke | mark: No known problems - should be playable to the end |
| 00:11:34 | mark | nice |
| 00:11:44 | mark | if i can find it :) |
| 00:11:53 | treke | 95% translates into, "something is probably broken, but we sure cant find it" |
| 00:13:36 | mark | treke: ok. cool, downloading a demo now coz i cant be bothered to look for my copy. where does the ipk come from? |
| 00:26:03 | mark | treke: found it |
| 00:29:21 | nhudson | jmhodges! |
| 00:29:35 | jmhodges | hey nhudson! |
| 00:30:34 | Cloudchaser | hiya jm |
| 00:32:08 | turtl | ello |
| 00:35:15 | jmhodges | is away: |
| 00:35:25 | jmhodges | is away: |
| 00:35:34 | jmhodges | is away: |
| 00:47:55 | whardier | heh |
| 00:47:57 | whardier | I rule |
| 00:47:59 | whardier | is making heavy modifications to liquid |
| 00:48:20 | whardier | its called my Stomach!! |
| 00:53:26 | ljp_studio | you are making modifications to your stamach? |
| 00:53:35 | ljp_studio | stomach even |
| 00:53:52 | ljp_studio | I'm going to make a modification of my stomach.. |
| 00:54:00 | whardier | peircings? |
| 00:54:10 | ljp_studio | I'm going to add mac and cheese |
| 00:54:20 | whardier | haha |
| 00:54:24 | whardier | added a whole pizza |
| 00:54:29 | ljp_studio | all chewed up |
| 00:54:30 | whardier | and I have been useless from noon till now |
| 00:54:47 | Cloudchaser | - |
| 00:55:00 | ljp_studio | you have screenies with your 'dark' liquid? |
| 00:56:22 | whardier | still working on the one thing I wanna do |
| 00:56:23 | whardier | err |
| 00:56:27 | whardier | hold on and I can show you a pre |
| 00:57:52 | whardier | I can even modify the sliders |
| 00:57:52 | whardier | heh |
| 00:58:51 | whardier | what the hell is the bottom button bar thingy called? |
| 00:58:54 | whardier | technically? |
| 00:59:35 | ljp_studio | taskbar? |
| 00:59:41 | whardier | thats what I would think |
| 00:59:41 | whardier | heh |
| 00:59:48 | ljp_studio | launcher |
| 01:00:42 | mark | as ljp_studio says |
| 01:04:52 | ljp_studio | what do I says? |
| 01:05:03 | mark | launcher |
| 01:05:13 | ljp_studio | I guess you could call it Ray |
| 01:05:20 | ljp_studio | or you could call it Jay |
| 01:05:32 | ljp_studio | but ya dont have to call it Johnson |
| 01:05:56 | whardier | woot |
| 01:06:03 | whardier | I think I found the function I was looking for |
| 01:10:07 | ljp_studio | haha bitchx |
| 01:17:32 | mark | bitchx devels spend more time on quit messages than anything else |
| 01:17:51 | jmhodges | heheh |
| 01:18:18 | jmhodges | they need to spend their next few days figuring out how the hell they got backdoored and how to keep it from happening again |
| 01:20:08 | ljp_studio | I can tell them- dont bend over |
| 01:23:40 | mark | hi warmi |
| 01:23:50 | warmi | hi |
| 01:24:10 | mark | warmi: hows life? |
| 01:25:17 | warmi | not bad ... very hot here in Chicago , around 30 C + humidity, basically sucks |
| 01:25:21 | warmi | thank God for AC |
| 01:25:34 | mark | heh, yeh, its a godsend in hot weather |
| 01:25:52 | warmi | and my computer room with 5 computers running here doesn't help either |
| 01:40:35 | Cloudchaser | hiya again ;) |
| 01:42:13 | ljp_studio | hiya cloud |
| 01:42:34 | Cloudchaser | whats news? |
| 01:44:24 | ljp_studio | news is.. dont use bitchX irc client |
| 01:44:39 | treke|home | thinks he just switched |
| 01:46:03 | ljp_studio | heh |
| 01:46:17 | ljp_studio | just dont use that one special version |
| 01:46:27 | treke|home | ljp_studio: : Thats actually not why I switched :) |
| 01:46:33 | Cloudchaser | whats spcial about it? |
| 01:46:43 | treke|home | Cloudchaser: : Had a backdoor in it |
| 01:46:50 | Cloudchaser | eww |
| 01:47:21 | treke|home | depends on whether I can figure out how to make BitchX emulate some irssi features :) |
| 01:47:58 | ljp_studio | some idiots hacked into their system and addd a backdoor in their code of rc10 I think |
| 01:52:59 | treke|home | and I can :) |
| 01:53:03 | whardier | augh |
| 01:53:11 | whardier | QT has the worst theming EVER! |
| 01:53:30 | ljp_studio | qt 2does, yes |
| 01:53:43 | ljp_studio | its only styles, realy |
| 01:53:50 | whardier | heh |
| 01:53:52 | whardier | well |
| 01:53:59 | whardier | I suppose I should fix the liquid style |
| 01:54:09 | treke|home | whats broken? |
| 01:54:11 | mark | doesnt understand themes/styles |
| 01:54:13 | whardier | use a dark theme |
| 01:54:26 | whardier | there is no border control for 0-255 wrapping |
| 01:54:59 | whardier | there are using REALLY REALLY optimized routinges for fading and striping pixmaps |
| 01:55:03 | whardier | that have no error protection |
| 01:55:19 | whardier | like .. super simple |
| 01:55:20 | whardier | heh |
| 01:55:38 | whardier | who did noncore/styles/theme |
| 01:56:09 | ljp_studio | sandman, why |
| 01:56:26 | whardier | it would be cool to pick his brain for a while |
| 01:58:06 | ljp_studio | he is the one that ported liquid and made it available for opie |
| 02:18:49 | whardier | ok |
| 02:18:58 | whardier | the liquid code is easy enouggh to figure out |
| 02:19:06 | whardier | but it would take forever to remove the liquid part |
| 02:19:10 | whardier | so I am gonna work forward from theme |
| 02:20:08 | whardier | or from the QPE default |
| 02:20:28 | ljp_studio | hmmm |
| 02:20:43 | ljp_studio | took me 3 minutes to add the metal theme ;) |
| 02:20:57 | whardier | I wondered if ity compiled |
| 02:21:00 | whardier | its not in the make file |
| 02:21:02 | whardier | checks it out |
| 02:22:02 | SirPsycho-home | anyone know if 256M SD cards are out yet? |
| 02:22:54 | ljp_studio | oh.. hmmm maybe i forgot to add it.. |
| 02:23:36 | ljp_studio | heh |
| 02:23:56 | whardier | /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lqt |
| 02:23:57 | whardier | damnit |
| 02:24:51 | warmi | ljp do you know how to extract actual destitantion of a soft link file using bash ?? is there a command that will give me true path of the soft link file ? |
| 02:25:07 | iang | readlink |
| 02:25:50 | warmi | crap ... actually I need to do it on the Zaurus |
| 02:25:55 | warmi | which doesn't have readlink |
| 02:26:03 | warmi | just using its busybox stuff |
| 02:26:17 | warmi | I could probably use ln -s and try to cut it out eheeh |
| 02:26:18 | iang | some combination of ls -l and cut |
| 02:26:21 | warmi | but that seems nasty |
| 02:26:28 | warmi | yeah ls -l |
| 02:26:37 | warmi | I guess that's the only choice here |
| 02:26:44 | warmi | no awk no nothing on the zaurus |
| 02:26:47 | warmi | :-( |
| 02:27:13 | SirPsycho-home | you can simulate awk with sed |
| 02:27:20 | SirPsycho-home | least for simple things =) |
| 02:27:56 | warmi | huh ... well, the problem is that I know nothing about sed |
| 02:27:57 | warmi | hehe |
| 02:28:14 | warmi | I think I will just use ls -l | cut -d' ' fsomething crap |
| 02:30:02 | iang | ls -l file | sed -e 's/.*> //' |
| 02:30:37 | warmi | holly crap |
| 02:30:40 | warmi | that works great |
| 02:30:41 | warmi | thanks |
| 02:30:52 | warmi | ( I am working on postinstall script for my app) |
| 02:31:01 | iang | (so long as the real file name doesn't have an actual > in it) |
| 02:31:11 | warmi | nah ... it doesn't |
| 02:31:49 | warmi | anyway. I need to write this script cause my app installs 4 mb database and stupid qinstall requires 2x memory (disk) to install anything |
| 02:31:57 | warmi | which is ridiculus with 4 MB dv |
| 02:31:58 | warmi | db |
| 02:32:16 | warmi | so I am just installing gzipped file which I then ungizip in postinstall |
| 02:32:47 | warmi | anyway, that worked great .. thanks again |
| 02:32:58 | iang | no prob |
| 02:37:02 | ljp_studio | k whardier.. metal style is in the makefile if you wanna cvs up and check it out |
| 02:37:13 | whardier | ok |
| 02:37:16 | whardier | I added it in |
| 02:37:21 | whardier | but its not liking me |
| 02:39:07 | warmi | ljp_studio: by "metal" you refer to that swing-like style for Qt ? |
| 02:39:16 | whardier | the tmake keeps using -lqt instead of -lqte |
| 02:39:19 | whardier | everything is set up fine |
| 02:39:24 | whardier | its just being a limey little bastard |
| 02:40:38 | whardier | hmm |
| 02:40:41 | whardier | I will work on this a bit later |
| 02:40:50 | whardier | I have me some thinking to do |
| 02:41:17 | ljp_studio | metal as in the metal style from qt examples, thats also available in gutenbrowser ;) |
| 02:41:34 | W|GGL|T | OMG! they killed kenny! |
| 02:41:43 | W|GGL|T | ooops |
| 02:41:47 | W|GGL|T | wrong channel |
| 02:41:54 | ljp_studio | whardier: TMAKEPATH= tmake/lib/qws/linux-x86-g++ |
| 02:55:24 | darienm | warmi: you're in chicago? what parts? Im in Downers Grove |
| 02:56:02 | whardier | ljp_studio I just added a single byte to the make file |
| 02:56:08 | whardier | its not showing up in opie however |
| 02:56:35 | whardier | I was compiling the dark style just fine |
| 02:56:39 | whardier | with the liquid .pro |
| 02:57:26 | warmi | darienm: Orland Park |
| 02:57:31 | ljp_studio | you have a correct plugin.cpp? |
| 02:57:33 | darienm | nifty |
| 02:57:50 | whardier | I shoudl download the new cvs then |
| 02:57:56 | warmi | you know where it is right ? |
| 02:58:09 | whardier | anyhoot |
| 02:58:14 | whardier | I am gonna take a break for a whil |
| 02:58:14 | whardier | e |
| 02:58:22 | darienm | Yeah - my ex-wife was from there (her parents still are) |
| 02:58:22 | whardier | I figured out how to do a few fun things |
| 02:58:44 | whardier | the fun Seinfeld where the cast is on trial is on |
| 02:58:48 | warmi | yeah, far out south .. 15 minutes drive from the Indiana border |
| 03:08:51 | nhudson | can anyone help me set up my wireless card in OZ? |
| 03:10:10 | whardier | oh |
| 03:10:12 | whardier | nudity |
| 03:10:13 | whardier | runs around |
| 03:10:51 | jmhodges | LOL |
| 03:11:02 | jmhodges | runs over to the geekissues.com |
| 03:12:11 | jmhodges | and so it is added to the quotes database |
| 03:12:20 | whardier | :( |
| 03:12:31 | jmhodges | whardier: i believe in 24hrs time your name will be in html glory :) |
| 03:12:37 | jmhodges | muwhahaha |
| 03:12:45 | whardier | yeah |
| 03:12:50 | whardier | I am in it a few times |
| 03:12:52 | whardier | where is the page? |
| 03:13:18 | nhudson | brb |
| 03:13:38 | jmhodges | really sweet |
| 03:13:44 | jmhodges | dunno just added it .. |
| 03:13:55 | whardier | http://www.geekissues.org/quotes/ |
| 03:13:58 | whardier | thats what I was looking for |
| 03:13:59 | whardier | heh |
| 03:14:06 | jmhodges | oh hehe |
| 03:14:14 | whardier | hmm |
| 03:14:18 | whardier | I "was" in there |
| 03:16:24 | jmhodges | yeah .. weird |
| 03:16:32 | jmhodges | i just searched for ya.. |
| 03:16:32 | jmhodges | :( |
| 03:16:39 | jmhodges | remember the gist of them ;) |
| 03:16:53 | whardier | nope |
| 03:16:56 | whardier | this was a long while back |
| 03:21:32 | ljp_studio | probably something about peanut butter sandwiches and being naked |
| 03:21:47 | whardier | alaaa peanut butter sandwiches! |
| 03:22:43 | jmhodges | hehehe |
| 03:23:00 | ljp_studio | dont you just love code that works fine on every machine you try it on.. except for one... |
| 03:23:23 | whardier | :( |
| 03:23:34 | whardier | what I really want is the PS2 linux kit |
| 03:23:40 | whardier | so I can play divx files on it |
| 03:23:40 | whardier | heh |
| 03:23:51 | whardier | that would make me el mucho happy happy |
| 03:24:11 | jmhodges | hehehe |
| 03:25:33 | whardier | aaugh |
| 03:25:45 | whardier | goes and kuddles the chattly little bitch kitten |
| 03:26:34 | jmhodges | hey nhudson |
| 03:26:36 | ljp_studio | my cat loves me.. know how I know? |
| 03:27:05 | treke|home | because it eats, shits , and sleeps? |
| 03:27:17 | ljp_studio | noo.. she purrrrss |
| 03:27:35 | treke|home | oh yeah, I knew there was a fourth thing cats did |
| 03:27:43 | whardier | watches greg the bunny |
| 03:28:06 | ljp_studio | hmm whardier must have cable |
| 03:28:17 | whardier | no |
| 03:28:20 | whardier | I have giFT |
| 03:28:28 | ljp_studio | what fox station? |
| 03:28:28 | whardier | had to download it |
| 03:28:35 | ljp_studio | ahhhh sneaky |
| 03:28:49 | whardier | I also downloaded farscape |
| 03:29:01 | whardier | I wanna download all of enterprise |
| 03:29:22 | treke|home | has season one of farscape. |
| 03:29:24 | ljp_studio | ya.. thats actually a good show |
| 03:29:29 | whardier | I dunno |
| 03:29:32 | whardier | has yet to watch it |
| 03:29:36 | whardier | I heard the blue chick is neat to watch |
| 03:29:41 | ljp_studio | enterpirse, I mran |
| 03:29:50 | ljp_studio | mean even |
| 03:30:03 | whardier | yeah |
| 03:30:05 | whardier | it seemed hip |
| 03:30:27 | treke|home | that sounded quite old |
| 03:31:55 | whardier | heh |
| 03:32:07 | whardier | well |
| 03:32:09 | ljp_studio | whardier IS quite old ;) |
| 03:32:10 | whardier | grabs a cat |
| 03:32:12 | whardier | some pringles |
| 03:32:15 | whardier | and starship troopers divx |
| 03:42:06 | codemnky | hello |
| 03:42:39 | codemnky | whoohoo |
| 03:42:44 | codemnky | *crickets* |
| 03:44:17 | whardier | heres the deal |
| 03:44:19 | whardier | I need money |
| 03:44:22 | whardier | so what I am gonna do |
| 03:44:29 | whardier | is start a clothing line |
| 03:44:39 | whardier | geekware of sorts.. more fashion then just logos |
| 03:44:41 | codemnky | make the cloths out of weed |
| 03:44:45 | whardier | hehe |
| 03:44:50 | whardier | then that will fund the wifi stuff |
| 03:45:01 | whardier | and I am gonna sell it with a web page that my company will code |
| 03:45:05 | whardier | so that we make clothes |
| 03:45:08 | whardier | to fund wifi stuff |
| 03:45:11 | whardier | and its all geeky |
| 03:45:21 | whardier | that'll be fun! |
| 03:45:25 | codemnky | you just be sure to make them out of pot and i'll roll them up, oik |
| 03:45:36 | whardier | heh |
| 03:45:42 | codemnky | :) |
| 03:45:45 | codemnky | what's up man |
| 03:45:49 | whardier | nothing |
| 03:45:53 | whardier | I just bought a pickle |
| 03:45:57 | whardier | thinking of munching |
| 03:46:10 | whardier | should I sip the pickle juice? |
| 03:46:16 | codemnky | i remember when the kids would put a jolly rancher in the middle |
| 03:46:19 | codemnky | ever do that? |
| 03:46:32 | whardier | ? |
| 03:46:37 | whardier | of a pickle? |
| 03:46:47 | codemnky | right |
| 03:46:54 | codemnky | not sure why they did that |
| 03:47:09 | Wembly | hellosih? |
| 03:53:21 | whardier | this is one garlicy pickle |
| 03:53:31 | codemnky | i think that's why |
| 03:53:40 | codemnky | they would cut it in 1/2 |
| 03:53:55 | codemnky | and stick a sweet jolly rancher in the center and suck on it |
| 03:54:01 | whardier | hahaha |
| 03:54:03 | whardier | what the hell |
| 03:54:07 | whardier | you grew up funny |
| 03:54:20 | codemnky | i never tried it but when i was in grade school eveyone was doing it |
| 03:54:53 | codemnky | yea i did. i got the fsck out of there as soon as i could. |
| 03:55:03 | whardier | heh |
| 03:55:10 | whardier | ok |
| 03:55:11 | whardier | pain |
| 03:55:12 | codemnky | now eveyone is married to each other, even the brother and sisters |
| 03:55:18 | whardier | I just bit my mouth sore |
| 03:55:23 | whardier | with a pickle and pickle juice in my mouth |
| 03:55:31 | whardier | heh |
| 03:55:34 | whardier | that is scary |
| 03:56:00 | SirPsycho-home | heh.. whardier.. that url you posted earlier got some funny stuff on it.. http://www.geekissues.com/quotes/?5542 |
| 03:56:29 | whardier | that it does |
| 03:58:25 | whardier | dear god! |
| 03:58:33 | whardier | I just dumped pickle juice down my shirt |
| 04:03:59 | W|GGL|T | smells pickles |
| 04:04:07 | W|GGL|T | whoa |
| 04:04:25 | W|GGL|T | anyone here seen Highlander: End Game? |
| 04:04:41 | jmhodges | nope |
| 04:04:47 | jmhodges | cause im sure its not the end |
| 04:04:51 | whardier | haha |
| 04:04:53 | whardier | its.. bad |
| 04:05:00 | whardier | a few cool fighting seens |
| 04:05:04 | whardier | and a lot of bad other stuff |
| 04:05:10 | W|GGL|T | whardier: compared to what? the first one? |
| 04:05:16 | W|GGL|T | or just generally sucks? |
| 04:05:28 | W|GGL|T | jmhodges: heheh |
| 04:05:47 | whardier | W|GGL|T just sucks |
| 04:05:48 | whardier | heh |
| 04:05:55 | whardier | you want Quality |
| 04:06:03 | whardier | download Shaolin Soccer |
| 04:06:09 | whardier | I have it on my server |
| 04:06:30 | jmhodges | shaolin soccer? w....t.....f? |
| 04:07:47 | codemnky | hey |
| 04:08:14 | codemnky | what the hell is shaolin soccer? |
| 04:08:20 | whardier | http://segfault.bogomip.com/bastard/movies/Shaolin%20Soccer |
| 04:08:25 | whardier | download me |
| 04:08:27 | whardier | love me |
| 04:08:30 | whardier | put me on a shrine |
| 04:09:01 | jmhodges | hehehehe |
| 04:09:13 | jmhodges | EEEEPPP |
| 04:09:16 | jmhodges | not on my 56k |
| 04:09:22 | whardier | haha |
| 04:12:27 | W|GGL|T | ok...i won't buy End Game then :o) |
| 04:12:28 | W|GGL|T | how big it that download? |
| 04:12:28 | W|GGL|T | it=is |
| 04:12:30 | W|GGL|T | can't reach that site |
| 04:12:34 | W|GGL|T | bbl...imma watch Iron Giant and read some linux mags |
| 04:12:36 | W|GGL|T | later |
| 04:14:41 | whardier | thats a lot to do |
| 04:19:45 | codemnky | what's a good linux app to see avi |
| 04:21:22 | iang | xine |
| 04:22:33 | jmhodges | xine or mplayer |
| 04:22:34 | jmhodges | er.. |
| 04:22:39 | jmhodges | yeah mplayer |
| 04:23:20 | codemnky | tahnks |
| 04:23:26 | codemnky | and thanks too |
| 04:25:46 | whardier | mplayer |
| 04:25:46 | whardier | mplayer |
| 04:25:48 | whardier | mplayer |
| 04:25:51 | whardier | err |
| 04:25:53 | whardier | mplayer |
| 04:26:44 | jmhodges | lol |
| 04:32:05 | codemnky | ok |
| 04:32:12 | codemnky | so i need to use xine? |
| 04:33:07 | jmhodges | nope |
| 04:33:14 | jmhodges | mplayer or xine |
| 04:33:20 | jmhodges | i like mplayer |
| 04:33:20 | codemnky | i'm joking |
| 04:33:26 | jmhodges | hehehe |
| 04:33:29 | jmhodges | oh shit.. |
| 04:33:33 | jmhodges | just looked up |
| 04:33:39 | jmhodges | above your message that is |
| 04:33:42 | codemnky | heh |
| 04:33:45 | jmhodges | has a short memory |
| 04:33:59 | codemnky | that's what hard disks are for |
| 04:34:10 | codemnky | don't remmeber what you can look up |
| 04:34:16 | codemnky | that's why i can't spell |
| 04:34:42 | codemnky | i just use a dictionary |
| 04:34:48 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 04:39:12 | codemnky | see you'all around |
| 04:39:24 | codemnky | later |
| 04:43:18 | Dilbert- | hi |
| 04:44:22 | jmhodges | hey Dilbert- |
| 04:51:09 | Wembly | is back. backie by request of speedy [SZoff] |
| 04:51:57 | jmhodges | hehhehe |
| 04:57:08 | jmhodges | SZoff? |
| 04:57:43 | Speedy2 | re |
| 05:01:53 | W|GGL|T | thinks jmhodges ought to add swapspace to compensate his memory |
| 05:02:34 | jmhodges | lol |
| 05:04:11 | W|GGL|T | is away: nite all...cya onna flipside! |
| 05:04:39 | jmhodges | gnight W|GGL|T! |
| 05:04:47 | Wembly | nini wigglit :) |
| 05:04:58 | W|GGL|T | nini' |
| 05:13:19 | Dilbert- | catalin: are you around ? |
| 05:14:55 | Wembly | is away. Automatically set away [SZon] |
| 05:30:20 | Guest | hi all |
| 05:30:25 | isaacs | yo |
| 05:38:34 | sergeant69 | lo all |
| 05:38:37 | isaacs | anyone updated their ROM for the 5000D? |
| 05:38:44 | isaacs | yo sergeant69 |
| 05:39:12 | sergeant69 | i have 5500 just updated the other day |
| 05:39:16 | Dilbert- | bbl |
| 05:39:23 | sergeant69 | bye dil |
| 05:39:45 | isaacs | ah. i have the developers version. Should that be a problem? |
| 05:39:55 | SirPsycho-home | sweet.. 256MB sd cards availiable within 2 weeks =) |
| 05:39:57 | ][N-Flux | .j #tuxscreen |
| 05:40:50 | sergeant69 | anyone used a microdrive with the 5500? |
| 05:41:20 | sergeant69 | dont know iisacs |
| 05:41:53 | isaacs | i'll just give it a go anyhow. |
| 05:42:04 | isaacs | just don't want to bust anything |
| 05:42:17 | SirPsycho-home | there are different roms for 5000 and 5500 |
| 05:42:30 | isaacs | ah. ok thanx |
| 05:45:53 | sergeant69 | wow quiet |
| 05:46:39 | isaacs | yeh. real quiet. |
| 05:46:51 | sergeant69 | java does work inthe opera browser correct? |
| 05:47:04 | sergeant69 | hehe isaac |
| 05:47:04 | isaacs | have not tried myself. |
| 05:47:33 | sergeant69 | hmmm doesnt seem to work on mine here |
| 05:48:14 | SirPsycho-home | anyone know how many euro to the us dollar? |
| 05:48:16 | isaacs | maybe some way to hack the settings for opera to point to the evm on the Z? |
| 05:49:17 | sergeant69 | that is a possibility |
| 05:49:47 | sergeant69 | boy this is fun on zauras |
| 05:50:04 | sergeant69 | having to print |
| 05:50:38 | isaacs | you can print from your zaurus? |
| 05:51:46 | sergeant69 | yhavent tried |
| 05:52:17 | sergeant69 | saw a product that you can buythat will let uprint |
| 05:52:25 | isaacs | ah, yes. |
| 05:53:49 | isaacs | we have a printer at work that has an IR port. I tried to beam a file to it, but no printing happened. |
| 05:53:49 | isaacs | i imagine i need to code something to send the printing instructions via IR |
| 05:53:49 | isaacs | to the printer |
| 05:53:49 | Speedy2 | issacs: You need to set the mode to HPIR |
| 05:53:49 | Speedy2 | It works |
| 05:53:50 | Speedy2 | Well, I haven't tried on Z |
| 05:53:59 | isaacs | what mode? (sorry) |
| 05:54:03 | Speedy2 | HPSIR |
| 05:54:07 | Speedy2 | 115200 bps |
| 05:54:11 | Speedy2 | Check the HP manual |
| 05:54:22 | Speedy2 | It might also handle IrDA, but it's typically only 115200 bps |
| 05:54:28 | isaacs | right. like the manual is anywhere to be found. ;) |
| 05:54:31 | sergeant69 | hmm sounds interesting |
| 05:54:32 | Speedy2 | :) |
| 05:54:42 | Speedy2 | issacs: What model printer? Google for it |
| 05:55:01 | isaacs | yeah. i will look it up tomarrow |
| 05:55:12 | isaacs | Speedy2: set the mode on the Z or the HP? |
| 05:55:28 | Speedy2 | isaacs: The Z needs to be set for HPSIR, 115200 bps |
| 05:55:35 | sergeant69 | everyone happy with the zauras? |
| 05:55:35 | Speedy2 | The HP *might* do IrDA, but I dunno |
| 05:55:51 | sergeant69 | i love mine. so easy to tweek |
| 05:56:07 | sergeant69 | fun to playwith |
| 05:57:05 | sergeant69 | <<Blink blink>> |
| 06:07:20 | NarrowMind | sup |
| 06:07:21 | isaacs | yo |
| 06:11:28 | NarrowMind | hm.. LJ has a artical on the Z |
| 06:13:51 | isaacs | frik. my addressbook wont friggin open anymore.... |
| 06:14:06 | NarrowMind | bah.. its just xml.. |
| 06:14:12 | NarrowMind | or the app is jacked? |
| 06:14:21 | isaacs | i'm thinking it's the app. |
| 06:14:35 | NarrowMind | or a library got dorked.. |
| 06:14:42 | NarrowMind | lanch it from the command line.. and see what happens. |
| 06:14:48 | isaacs | i just removed all the entries leaving only the bare xml tags... |
| 06:14:51 | isaacs | still won't open |
| 06:15:21 | NarrowMind | what does the command line say? |
| 06:15:32 | isaacs | yeh. I'm trying to figure out where and what it's called to launch it |
| 06:19:17 | NarrowMind | ugh..Iv found it before |
| 06:19:33 | NarrowMind | did you recently isntall anything? |
| 06:19:47 | isaacs | um. i think the binary is gone. |
| 06:19:48 | NarrowMind | Iv had my system dorked from librarys.. quake really jacked me |
| 06:19:54 | NarrowMind | that cant be good. |
| 06:19:55 | isaacs | heh. |
| 06:20:03 | NarrowMind | I thought it was in rom.. |
| 06:20:51 | isaacs | maybe. but i found all the other apps in /home/QtPalmtop/bin |
| 06:21:15 | NarrowMind | look around |
| 06:21:37 | NarrowMind | sharp made a mess of the file system IMHO |
| 06:22:48 | isaacs | yeh. you got your Z handy? |
| 06:24:55 | NarrowMind | ya |
| 06:25:02 | NarrowMind | uhhh.. hangon.. Ill ssh to it |
| 06:25:27 | isaacs | you mind looking to see where the addressbook is installed? |
| 06:25:54 | NarrowMind | hm. |
| 06:28:00 | NarrowMind | ok.. I found it |
| 06:28:18 | isaacs | well? |
| 06:28:40 | NarrowMind | the binary is at /usr/QtPalmtop.rom/bin/addressbook |
| 06:28:49 | isaacs | cool. |
| 06:29:15 | NarrowMind | There is a link at /home/QtPalmtop/bin/addressbook |
| 06:29:31 | NarrowMind | I bet the gui only has the link in the path |
| 06:29:42 | isaacs | ah. i found the binary, but no link! |
| 06:29:45 | NarrowMind | yep |
| 06:29:46 | isaacs | let me try |
| 06:29:47 | NarrowMind | make the link |
| 06:30:06 | NarrowMind | ln -s /usr/QtPalmtop.rom/bin/addressbook /home/QtPalmtop/bin/ |
| 06:32:34 | isaacs | yes. that was it. thanks |
| 06:32:38 | NarrowMind | heh |
| 06:32:44 | NarrowMind | dont dork your filesystem |
| 06:32:57 | isaacs | yeah. no joke. i wonder what killed the link |
| 06:34:59 | isaacs | NarrowMind: you got a wireless card? |
| 06:42:04 | isaacs | anybody use a D-Link DCF-650W Wireless CF type II card with their Z? |
| 06:47:57 | NarrowMind | naw.. I use a linksys cf wireless card |
| 06:48:21 | isaacs | did it work right out of the box? |
| 07:04:33 | isaacs|away | is away: I'm busy |
| 07:51:44 | surge | where is the homepage for the usbdnet driver? |
| 09:03:06 | Dilbert- | re |
| 09:31:31 | Twiun | Good morning folks |
| 09:45:56 | NetAmp | hey |
| 09:46:02 | NetAmp | Opera's even more into Macromedia now |
| 09:46:04 | NetAmp | (http://www.opera.com/pressreleases/en/2002/07/20020702.html) |
| 09:46:36 | NetAmp | "Opera will deliver a full-featured, embeddable version of its desktop browser..." |
| 09:46:43 | NetAmp | doesn't that sound familiar? ;-) |
| 09:55:48 | Twiun | full-featured? as in opera6 for the Z? |
| 09:55:53 | Twiun | that'd be nice |
| 09:56:17 | NetAmp | dunno 'bout that, haven't read all of it myself |
| 09:56:37 | NetAmp | but seems interesting to have it handy that way while developing :) |
| 09:56:40 | NetAmp | darn i gotta go to college... |
| 09:56:46 | NetAmp | have a nice day |
| 11:03:14 | Kappucho | Hello. I want to install Debian on my Zaurus, where should I start? Please guide me to a site, or documents, that can aid me. |
| 11:04:31 | Twiun | Kappucho: I'd recommend asking that question when the USA people log on... in about 4 hours or so |
| 11:07:40 | Kappucho | Hmmm. You know of no site for this? |
| 11:07:41 | Cloudchaser | 'mornin |
| 11:07:53 | Cloudchaser | site for what? |
| 11:08:08 | Kappucho | I don't need specifics, all I want for starters is a communication tool that works on Linux. |
| 11:08:26 | Kappucho | I find it rather dumb that to have a Linux PDA which can't sync with a Linux desktop. |
| 11:08:45 | Cloudchaser | it actually can |
| 11:08:53 | Kappucho | Bring it on, then. |
| 11:09:08 | Cloudchaser | what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 11:09:14 | Cloudchaser | synch with qtopia desktop? |
| 11:09:32 | Kappucho | SSH, telnet or whatever communication with my Zaurus. |
| 11:09:49 | Kappucho | Cloudchaser: my ultimate goal is to wipe it clean and install a real dist. |
| 11:09:52 | Cloudchaser | http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/linux_ethernet-over-usb-howto.shtml |
| 11:10:02 | Kappucho | sounds like it! |
| 11:10:02 | Cloudchaser | the z? |
| 11:10:05 | Kappucho | yep |
| 11:10:17 | Cloudchaser | well i can't help you there |
| 11:10:37 | Cloudchaser | ftp you need to ftp to port 4242 |
| 11:10:44 | Cloudchaser | root/no password |
| 11:10:47 | Kappucho | all I need is a kernel with working communication on the pda. |
| 11:11:20 | Kappucho | I can use fdisk to partition, download the dpkg and install the base package. |
| 11:11:41 | Cloudchaser | open ssh youcan get here: |
| 11:11:44 | Cloudchaser | http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showapps.php?cat=8 |
| 11:12:19 | Cloudchaser | samba too |
| 11:12:54 | Cloudchaser | http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showapps.php?cat=10 |
| 11:13:00 | Cloudchaser | server manager is on that linnk |
| 11:13:10 | Kappucho | couldn't I just setup a getty to work with usb device? |
| 11:13:35 | Cloudchaser | don't know that answer, i use wireless to synch over linux and windows |
| 11:13:46 | Cloudchaser | never bothered with usb on linux |
| 11:14:09 | Kappucho | Hmm. |
| 11:14:30 | Cloudchaser | with network cards, wired or wireless...its easier |
| 11:14:54 | Cloudchaser | but from what i understand.. it can be done with usb but you need to have the right kernel |
| 11:15:36 | Cloudchaser | other options are to search zaurus zone and subscribe to zaurus general newsgroup for information |
| 11:16:13 | Cloudchaser | also myzaurus.com has some information |
| 11:17:45 | Cloudchaser | plus some of the other guys in here might be able to help you more |
| 11:19:05 | Cloudchaser | what kind of real distribution are you going to put on the z/ |
| 11:19:55 | Kappucho | debian |
| 11:21:17 | Cloudchaser | good luck.. time for work for me ;) |
| 11:46:36 | Kappucho | Has anybody here installed a completely new system on a Z-5000D? I wish to install Debian on it and don't know where to start. My only communication device is the USB. |
| 12:12:59 | Harlekin | ljp_studio: who? |
| 12:13:08 | jimzeller | hello |
| 12:13:29 | ljp_studio | why would you want to install debian on your Z? |
| 12:14:02 | jimzeller | does anyone know if the 5500 is the end of the line for U.S. zaurus qtopia PDAs? |
| 12:14:36 | ljp_studio | jimzeller: no, they have mor eplanned |
| 12:18:15 | nemui-chan | Thankfully. i'd be upset if that was the end. |
| 12:21:13 | ljp_studio | Harlekin: he just signed off |
| 12:21:30 | mark | hi all. where is that doc with all the Zaurus keystrokes in it? |
| 12:21:46 | ljp_studio | I had one question for him.. where was he going to put the cd in at? ;) |
| 12:22:08 | ljp_studio | the small text files? of the pda? |
| 12:22:42 | ljp_studio | there's a couple at www.opie.us in the devZone pit |
| 12:23:17 | Twiun[lunch] | got an answer from Gabriel software! |
| 12:24:08 | jimzeller | another question, has anyone here tried zmame/qmame ? |
| 12:24:18 | Twiun | Nice long email, basically thanks for the heads up - they weren't aware of the license/logo issues |
| 12:24:28 | mark | ljp_studio: i want to send F5 :) |
| 12:24:39 | jimzeller | and how is it? |
| 12:25:20 | Harlekin | Twiun: which |
| 12:25:51 | Twiun | Harlekin: this was regarding the commercial Hangem game which uses the Duke mascot |
| 12:26:03 | Harlekin | duke mascot? |
| 12:26:22 | Twiun | The java mascot? little black/white thing with a red nose? |
| 12:26:27 | Twiun | never seen it? |
| 12:27:25 | Harlekin | ah |
| 12:27:26 | Harlekin | yeah |
| 12:27:35 | Harlekin | didnt remember it is "duke" |
| 12:28:07 | Twiun | Cool... essentially, Sun has exclusive rights to it and that game uses it... I send a friendly email pointing this out |
| 12:28:15 | Twiun | and got a nice answer |
| 12:30:32 | Harlekin | Neo|Work: ping, where do you want bugreports? |
| 12:32:15 | jimzeller | have any of you guys had trouble with the zaurus' paint scratching/wearing off? |
| 12:32:51 | uncon | jimzeller, yeah |
| 12:33:05 | Twiun | yeah |
| 12:33:16 | Twiun | mainly due to the screen protector |
| 12:33:22 | Twiun | (for me at least) |
| 12:33:30 | uncon | i've had mine for a week now and i'm noticing scratches fomr the screen protector |
| 12:33:42 | jimzeller | how does that work exactly |
| 12:33:46 | ljp_studio | mark: you wan tto send f5 programmatically? or using a program? |
| 12:33:49 | jimzeller | from the screen protector? |
| 12:33:58 | jimzeller | you mean the frosted plastic it comes with? |
| 12:34:06 | Twiun | jimzeller: yeah |
| 12:34:13 | uncon | it rubs the unit and when dirt gets in there it scratches |
| 12:34:27 | jimzeller | so the two contact points at the bottom or just all over |
| 12:34:40 | uncon | in the middle for me |
| 12:34:44 | jimzeller | hmmm |
| 12:34:47 | uncon | top left and right |
| 12:34:55 | jimzeller | how unsightly is it? |
| 12:34:59 | jimzeller | i have a sony phone |
| 12:35:02 | jimzeller | with similar paint |
| 12:35:05 | ljp_studio | *yawn* |
| 12:35:09 | jimzeller | and it's gross after a year |
| 12:35:21 | uncon | mines not bad |
| 12:35:30 | uncon | if you use a case, i'm sure it will minimize it |
| 12:35:36 | jimzeller | ok |
| 12:37:56 | mark | ljp_studio: using my Z keyboard :/, to a program |
| 12:38:17 | ljp_studio | I dont thin there is a way |
| 12:38:40 | mark | no, there isn't. gah. |
| 12:38:57 | ljp_studio | unless someone gets a brilliant idea of codes an input method with those extended keyboard characters |
| 12:39:14 | mark | or I do some kernel hacking :P |
| 12:39:29 | mark | input method wont do here |
| 12:39:39 | ljp_studio | or adds them to an existing inout method |
| 12:39:49 | ljp_studio | input even |
| 12:40:06 | ljp_studio | ooohh I know... ssh into it! |
| 12:40:55 | ljp_studio | needs to add a diode to his mic implant |
| 12:51:24 | nemui-chan | Twiun: Outta curiousity, did you get a chance to test that java stopwatch for me? |
| 12:53:05 | smatt | does tkcEditor line wrap? |
| 12:53:59 | ljp_studio | no |
| 12:54:34 | smatt | oh |
| 12:54:50 | nemui-chan | Twiun: Outta curiousity, did you get a chance to test that java stopwatch for me? |
| 12:55:00 | ljp_studio | its a nice editor, tho.. a little slow at starting up |
| 12:55:22 | smatt | my <80 char coding standard had better change I guess |
| 12:56:00 | ljp_studio | well, I doubt anyone is really going to do much writing of code on a z.. |
| 12:56:19 | ljp_studio | its better to not wrap lines for code, tho, IMHO |
| 12:56:27 | smatt | viewing though |
| 12:56:33 | smatt | I think it should be an option |
| 12:56:53 | ljp_studio | request it |
| 12:57:13 | smatt | yeah :) |
| 12:57:59 | nemui-chan | Anyone look at the new motorola canopy's? :) |
| 12:58:08 | nemui-chan | I want one of those for my Z }:) |
| 12:58:54 | ljp_studio | wonders when his vercel will ever arrive, ir ever ;) |
| 12:59:08 | nemui-chan | vercel? |
| 13:00:23 | ljp_studio | an upcoming to be released qtopia based pda |
| 13:02:30 | smatt | vercel.com hurts my eyes |
| 13:03:58 | Twiun | nemui-chan: I answered you soon after you asked ;-) Yep it worked fine, no segfaults |
| 13:04:29 | ljp_studio | ya vercel's web site sucks ass |
| 13:05:49 | smatt | ljp_studio: know any better urls? |
| 13:08:38 | ljp_studio | nope |
| 13:08:48 | nemui-chan | ljp: Sweet :) |
| 13:08:59 | nemui-chan | Twiun: when you exited too? (It worked fine for me but seg'd on exiting) |
| 13:09:12 | nemui-chan | ljp: and how do you be lucky enough to get one ofd those? :) |
| 13:09:19 | nemui-chan | takes notes. |
| 13:09:54 | ljp_studio | cause I'll be doing some coding for a company for them |
| 13:10:34 | nemui-chan | sweet |
| 13:10:53 | ljp_studio | and I'll probably make sure opie wil lrun on it ;) |
| 13:11:20 | ljp_studio | I just hope it has a better /dev/dsp than the Zaurus does |
| 13:11:31 | nemui-chan | hehe |
| 13:11:42 | nemui-chan | Why's the Z's /dev/dsp bad? |
| 13:11:58 | ljp_studio | driver |
| 13:12:32 | ljp_studio | for one.. it records 8 bit audio fine... but can't play it back at all |
| 13:13:50 | nemui-chan | thats odd. I thought there were vmemo things that did both? |
| 13:14:59 | ljp_studio | oh ya the software works.. the audio driver doesn't |
| 13:15:33 | nemui-chan | So you can't do it even with the vmemo thing or you can? I guess I dont understand. |
| 13:17:22 | ljp_studio | the audio driver doesn't play back 8 bit audio |
| 13:17:52 | ljp_studio | the gui software handles it fine. |
| 13:23:38 | nemui-chan | Twiun: Hmm. . Any idea what I may be missing to cause it to segfault on exit? |
| 13:24:24 | Twiun | nemui-chan: erm... no, no idea... yes, I did exit and no segfaults |
| 13:24:53 | Twiun | nemui-chan: do you use any native code? |
| 13:26:00 | nemui-chan | Twiun: I copied what I thought was everything over to my oz Z. I havent written anything in java. |
| 13:26:23 | nemui-chan | HMm |
| 13:26:26 | nemui-chan | It doesnt segfault now :p |
| 13:28:08 | Twiun | weird... did you do anything? |
| 13:29:11 | nemui-chan | tried to install java-japflash .. which doesnt seem to install because it tells me there's an error with java stopwatch :/ |
| 13:29:51 | nemui-chan | Ran from the command line, shouldnt ipkg give some information when you install something from a CF? |
| 13:30:07 | nemui-chan | Or is there a way to see what you have installed on your Z from the command line? |
| 13:31:02 | Twiun | I have no idea... does ipkg --help shed any light? |
| 13:31:24 | exsxe | kergoth how is oz 3 coming? |
| 13:31:32 | exsxe | :d |
| 13:32:17 | ljp_studio | he's working on a new kernel version |
| 13:32:54 | nemui-chan | Not really... (and another question... my screen size seems to wrong in my Z) i.e. when I have a program display help, it wraps funny. Is that a normal thing? |
| 13:32:54 | exsxe | eta on release? |
| 13:33:28 | Twiun | nemui-chan: I'm way out of me depth... OZ is unknown territory for me |
| 13:34:50 | nemui-chan | Hmm.. I'm thinking about switching back to sharp. :( Does opie mediaplayer work on sharp? |
| 13:34:52 | Cloudchaser | 'mornin |
| 13:34:59 | nemui-chan | heya cloud, hows things? |
| 13:35:12 | Cloudchaser | not too bad.. at work hanging out for a few |
| 13:35:16 | nemui-chan | fun fun |
| 13:35:17 | Cloudchaser | and with you? |
| 13:35:41 | nemui-chan | ditto.. cept I have to be here all day. ;) |
| 13:35:42 | Twiun | nemui-chan: I think I heard someone saying it did |
| 13:36:06 | Cloudchaser | i do too but will be out and about soon |
| 13:36:08 | nemui-chan | Twiun: ok.. I think I'm going to reflash when I get home. I use ipkg mostly from command line anyways so the crappy interface for ipkg wont hold me back I guess... |
| 13:38:11 | ljp_studio | nemui-chan: yes it will |
| 13:38:29 | nemui-chan | Ok.. I love OZ, but I end up having problems with too many things. (which granted may very well be my fault. ; ) |
| 13:39:22 | nemui-chan | ljp; So otuta curiousity... do you know the eta on the next release? |
| 13:41:03 | jimzeller | has anyone here used mame for the zaurus? |
| 13:41:15 | ljp_studio | nemui-chan: for oZ? |
| 13:41:21 | nemui-chan | Yes |
| 13:41:43 | smatt | jimzeller: qmame, sure, a little |
| 13:41:46 | ljp_studio | dont know.. but there is a new feed up that includes the liquid style |
| 13:42:31 | jimzeller | smatt: what's it like? |
| 13:42:45 | jimzeller | smatt: were any games running near full speed? |
| 13:42:56 | ljp_studio | bbl |
| 13:42:56 | nemui-chan | the liquid style? |
| 13:43:00 | smatt | only played some pacman plus :) |
| 13:43:03 | nemui-chan | ok, thanks for the info ljp ;) |
| 13:43:05 | smatt | seemed a little slow |
| 13:43:17 | jimzeller | ok |
| 13:43:35 | nemui-chan | pacman slow on a 206 mhz processor. Our ancestors would die of shame ;) |
| 13:44:11 | smatt | turn (in real time) in their graves |
| 13:44:44 | jimzeller | anyone know if qmame/zmame is being worked on? |
| 13:44:52 | jimzeller | author's site doesn't mention anything |
| 13:45:04 | jimzeller | and has been dormant for 3 months or so |
| 13:46:01 | Cloudchaser | i'd like to get that working on my z |
| 13:46:14 | Cloudchaser | but don't have any roms |
| 13:46:41 | jimzeller | i'd like to buy a z |
| 13:46:58 | jimzeller | but can't stop looking at ppc's selection of games |
| 13:49:30 | Cloudchaser | ah then by all means by a ppc :) |
| 13:49:55 | jimzeller | well |
| 13:50:15 | jimzeller | there's also the keyboard and CF slot... :) |
| 13:51:03 | smatt | get one, get one ;) |
| 13:51:26 | jimzeller | anyone know the cheapest place to get one? |
| 13:51:43 | smatt | not the UK |
| 13:52:23 | ljp_ | amazon |
| 13:53:36 | jimzeller | ok |
| 13:54:43 | jimzeller | best buy has it for $399-- is it worth buying it there so I can get that 2 year unlimited warranty (and trade it in for whatever's new right before it expires)? |
| 13:57:13 | nemui-chan | definitely Jim |
| 13:57:52 | nemui-chan | Bestbuy is fairly flexible with their warranties.. I started with a clie. a $200 one. ;) I've spent a total of 370 + warranty and I have my Z... and I got it when it first came out for 500 bucks |
| 13:58:53 | ljp_ | on saturday, amazon had one for $349 |
| 13:59:02 | nemui-chan | wow |
| 13:59:49 | jimzeller | have there been any revisions to the hardware along the way? |
| 14:00:03 | jimzeller | i.e. better dust under screen protection |
| 14:00:09 | jimzeller | that sort of thing |
| 14:09:07 | nemui-chan | you have to have the Z plugged in to flash it, dont you? |
| 14:09:35 | ljp_ | yes |
| 14:09:57 | kergoth | oi, need coffee |
| 14:10:00 | kergoth | morning |
| 14:10:12 | Cloudchaser | hiya |
| 14:10:17 | ljp_ | yo |
| 14:10:27 | kergoth | hey cloud, ljp, etc |
| 14:10:31 | kergoth | brb |
| 14:14:22 | mark | nemui-chan: no, but they say you do |
| 14:14:29 | Kappucho | Argh! I've been trying to make my USB work as a regular serial device for nearly six hours now, without any luck. Syslog says my USB serial driver core 1.4 is loaded, yet none of the /dev/ttyUSB* devices are working, I keep getting "no such device". What is wrong? |
| 14:18:25 | ljp_ | mark: you've falshed without it plugged in? |
| 14:18:28 | ljp_ | flash even |
| 14:19:52 | ljp_ | never has worked for me |
| 14:20:05 | ljp_ | lights go out |
| 14:20:35 | W|GGL|T | is back (gone 09:16:22) |
| 14:25:32 | Cloudchaser | Kappucho: I can't help you with that really, but those who can might need more information |
| 14:25:41 | Cloudchaser | have you read the how to? |
| 14:25:47 | Cloudchaser | and done all that? |
| 14:28:12 | nemui-chan | mark: And yo've had no problems doing it? |
| 14:29:06 | Kappucho | I've read every phreaking phucking howto there is. If I was less smart I would conclude that there simply is NO USB support in the Linux 2.4.x kernels. |
| 14:29:35 | Kappucho | Even when I execute the howto's to exact specifications it simply will not work. |
| 14:29:51 | Cloudchaser | well i belive others have gotten it working |
| 14:29:58 | nemui-chan | mark: I just wanna know if you've done it before unplugged... since everything I've read says it has to be plugged in... ;) I'm not doubting what you're saying.. i just want to make sure you've done it before =) |
| 14:30:09 | Kappucho | Naturally! Which is the ONLY reason why I don't refute USB as non-working in 2.4.x. |
| 14:30:23 | Kappucho | hmm. perhaps some evil bios setting.. :-[ |
| 14:30:32 | Cloudchaser | what z do you have? |
| 14:30:41 | nemui-chan | bios should be the first thing to check ;l) |
| 14:30:42 | Cloudchaser | oops too late |
| 14:31:19 | Cloudchaser | what bios setting nemui? i think i might have to try to get it working ;) just to help others out |
| 14:31:19 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
| 14:31:28 | Cloudchaser | (i use wireless) |
| 14:31:44 | Cloudchaser | would help me out to cause i've never recompiled a kernel :) |
| 14:31:53 | Cloudchaser | to = too ;) |
| 14:32:29 | ljp_ | never? |
| 14:32:42 | Cloudchaser | nope... |
| 14:32:50 | ljp_ | how long have you used linux? |
| 14:32:57 | Cloudchaser | not all that long really |
| 14:33:21 | jimzeller | wow |
| 14:33:26 | jimzeller | anyone seen this yet: |
| 14:33:28 | jimzeller | http://www.cs.unc.edu/~scheuerm/zaurus-adventure-emulators/ |
| 14:33:46 | Cloudchaser | and basically do things as i need them or i'd be overwhelmed ;) |
| 14:34:02 | ljp_ | ahhh |
| 14:34:42 | Cloudchaser | then once i get things to work i'm scared to do anything to mess it up :) |
| 14:35:36 | ljp_ | ohh. well. you dont really learn unless you mess up! |
| 14:35:40 | Kappucho | Cloudchaser: I can only conclude that the 2.4.18 kernel has no support for USB. |
| 14:35:58 | Cloudchaser | i truly don't know Kappucho |
| 14:36:31 | Cloudchaser | and ljp: yes i know ;) i just do my messing up slowly :) |
| 14:36:41 | Cloudchaser | gotta run for a bit cya all later! |
| 14:41:26 | nemui-chan | ljp: do you know about the flashing while not plugged in thing? |
| 14:41:38 | nemui-chan | I asume its only to make sure the Z doesnt die midflash? |
| 14:46:47 | ljp_ | dont know... I always plug it in |
| 14:46:59 | whardier | heheheh |
| 14:47:07 | whardier | can I quote you on that? |
| 14:47:08 | ljp_ | the few times it was unplugged whan i flashed, it didt flash |
| 14:53:26 | nemui-chan | ljp: I figured... Oh well.. I'll wait til I get home. I need a plug for my office. :/ |
| 14:53:53 | nemui-chan | Kappucho: : I'm using 2.4.18 and my usb works for my cradle and my card reader. |
| 15:00:48 | Kappucho | nemui-chan: what modules do you have loaded and how did you load them? |
| 15:01:04 | smatt | there's no way to remotely 'wake up' a zaurus, is there? |
| 15:01:07 | nemui-chan | usbdnet |
| 15:01:19 | nemui-chan | the other stuff I compiled into the kernel. |
| 15:01:34 | Kappucho | nemui-chan: I need to know ALL stuff. what is usbdnet anyway? |
| 15:01:34 | nemui-chan | Kappucho: : Make sure you're using the right controller.. I know there's two. If one doesnt work, try unchecking it and using the other. |
| 15:01:49 | nemui-chan | Thats covered in the howto. I dont know enoug to explain that to you... |
| 15:02:09 | Kappucho | nemui-chan: I _did_ follow the howto's. |
| 15:02:21 | Kappucho | what do you mean with "right controller"? |
| 15:02:29 | nemui-chan | If UHCI (Intel PIIX4, VIA) didnt work, try using UHCI Alternate Driver |
| 15:02:37 | nemui-chan | then recompile your kernel and see if that works. |
| 15:02:41 | Kappucho | Does one need uhci for it to work? |
| 15:02:54 | nemui-chan | You -have- to have one uhci controller. |
| 15:03:01 | nemui-chan | or OHCI controller |
| 15:03:17 | nemui-chan | The alternate controller doesnt show up if the main uhci controller is checked in menuconfig though |
| 15:04:13 | Kappucho | I'm compiling the intel uhci (i have via chipset so it should work) for the USB. |
| 15:04:47 | nemui-chan | That should work then |
| 15:05:02 | nemui-chan | what else do you have compiled in for usb? |
| 15:05:11 | nemui-chan | And is each one module or compiled into kernel |
| 15:05:19 | Kappucho | nemui-chan: I now have usbcore used by both usbserial and usb-uhci modules. |
| 15:05:23 | Kappucho | nemui-chan: is that enough? |
| 15:05:33 | nemui-chan | no |
| 15:05:48 | nemui-chan | you need USBD Nettwork (Encapsulated) Host-to-Host Link (Experimental) |
| 15:05:49 | Kappucho | nemui-chan: yes, it is. It is working now. :-) |
| 15:05:53 | nemui-chan | lol |
| 15:05:57 | Kappucho | what is that? |
| 15:06:05 | Kappucho | I'm thinking about using ppp instead. |
| 15:06:07 | nemui-chan | are you using mandrake? |
| 15:06:11 | Kappucho | nemui-chan: debian. |
| 15:06:19 | nemui-chan | Ahh.. and you dont have usbd network? |
| 15:06:22 | nemui-chan | how odd |
| 15:06:30 | nemui-chan | You should have that if you followed the usb ethernet howto ;) |
| 15:06:37 | Kappucho | I have it available if I want it. but what do I need it for? |
| 15:06:51 | nemui-chan | Its what lets your usb act as ethernet. |
| 15:06:59 | BigBoss | morning chillins |
| 15:07:00 | nemui-chan | heya BigBoss |
| 15:07:24 | Kappucho | nemui-chan ok. I already have an ethercard on my workstation, why would I need my USB for it? |
| 15:07:53 | Kappucho | nemui-chan: My plan is to setup pppd with ttyUSB to make my little zaurus use it. |
| 15:10:10 | Kappucho | I can't write a freaking 'p' with the pen!!! |
| 15:10:37 | Twiun | retrain the Z to understand your way of writing a 'p' |
| 15:11:08 | Twiun | (my personal one is x - can't figure out why it's not a two-stroke char by default) |
| 15:13:43 | Kappucho | Twiun: hmm. I have no idea what you are saying, I hoped the keyboard would work, but can't be docked and use keyboard at the same time. (dumb design) |
| 15:15:02 | Twiun | Kappucho: The handwriting recognition for the Z understands a default way of writing 'p'. There is a pencil button on the far right which allows you to change that to however YOU write your letter 'p' |
| 15:15:40 | Twiun | Kappucho: And I agree about the keyboard/dock design flaw |
| 15:16:24 | Twiun | Kappucho: You could always resort to using the software keyboard |
| 15:16:35 | nemui-chan | Kappucho: I know absolutely nothing about ppp. :) And you need usb to use ethernet because your Z is connected through the usb... not through your ethernet card :) |
| 15:16:50 | nemui-chan | I agree with your keyboard/dock design flaw too =) |
| 15:16:52 | warmi | hi |
| 15:16:57 | nemui-chan | heya warmi |
| 15:17:09 | nemui-chan | Twiun: I need to go through and graffiti-fy my handwriting :) |
| 15:17:15 | Kappucho | nemui-chan: I was talking about getting usb working on my pc, not pda. |
| 15:17:26 | nemui-chan | I know |
| 15:17:47 | nemui-chan | to telnet/ssh/whatefver into your pda, you have to have usbd working (which makes usb work like ethernet) on your workstation. |
| 15:17:59 | nemui-chan | unless you just want to use the desktop software. |
| 15:18:12 | Twiun | nemui-chan: Ideally, it'd be better if the handwriting recognition allowed plugin sets... so a Graffiti one, a Twiun one, a Kappucho one ;-) |
| 15:18:23 | JasonNJ | morning |
| 15:18:30 | Twiun | Heya Jason |
| 15:18:57 | nemui-chan | a graffiti one ;p |
| 15:19:03 | nemui-chan | Twiun: how can we talk to to get that? |
| 15:19:19 | | kergoth was last seen on #zaurus 1 hours, 8 minutes and 48 seconds ago, saying: brb [Wed Jul 3 15:10:31 2002] |
| 15:19:19 | JasonNJ | ibot: seen kergoth |
| 15:19:23 | treke | the opie project is working on that |
| 15:19:34 | treke | (multiple handwriting profiles) |
| 15:19:37 | Twiun | nemui-chan: Either develop it ourselves and include it in opie... or pester Sharp/TT to get it in for some future ROM |
| 15:19:44 | Twiun | There you go ;-) |
| 15:20:06 | treke | And I've got my graffity profile for the Z somewhere :) |
| 15:20:44 | Twiun | treke|home: How about a script one? |
| 15:21:04 | Twiun | fwaps BitchX's tab completion |
| 15:22:05 | Twiun | treke: How about a script one? |
| 15:23:50 | Kappucho | I get "tcsetattr: Invalid argument" and then exit when starting pppd 2.4.1, any suggestions? |
| 15:23:57 | Kappucho | This is on my PC. |
| 15:24:15 | treke | script one? |
| 15:24:54 | Harlekin | Twiun: allready though about the idea |
| 15:24:55 | warmi | hi mark |
| 15:25:08 | Harlekin | Twiun: but nobody steped up yet to do it |
| 15:25:12 | Harlekin | mark: hi |
| 15:25:22 | Harlekin | warmi: saw your food app was released |
| 15:25:26 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 15:25:34 | mark | hi warmi, Harlekin |
| 15:25:57 | nemui-chan | food app? |
| 15:26:07 | warmi | Harlekin: yeah .. |
| 15:26:15 | nemui-chan | Twiun: I'm not a C person and I'm still trying to learn C... so me doing it myself isnt likely any time soon ;) |
| 15:26:21 | nemui-chan | Twiun: Using .19? |
| 15:26:26 | nemui-chan | Bitchx .19 I mean? |
| 15:26:37 | mark | warmi: 'requirements: 5 MB K disk space' |
| 15:26:41 | Twiun | nemui-chan: Nope ;-) |
| 15:26:41 | warmi | it was more like a major test app for sqlite .. I wanted to see how sqlite is like to work with |
| 15:26:57 | mark | warmi: and? |
| 15:27:24 | warmi | mark: this is the size of the database itself ... I used all kinds of tricks to get it down to that size .. it was 20 MBs access file when I downloaded it |
| 15:27:44 | Twiun | Harlekin: I'm just like nemui-chan... Not a C/C++ person... yet ;-) |
| 15:27:47 | warmi | mark: sqlite works ok .. there are some problems but it is very usable |
| 15:28:29 | warmi | mark: I am going to release nice C++ wrapper class for sqlite C api |
| 15:28:35 | mark | warmi: ah, nice :) |
| 15:29:09 | warmi | actually it will be part of the source code package for NFDB |
| 15:29:30 | Kappucho | Did anybody get a working ppp connection between a regular workstation and the z? |
| 15:29:30 | mark | warmi: that'd be very useful |
| 15:29:34 | warmi | Harlekin: still undecided about using sqlite as main OPIE database ? |
| 15:29:54 | Harlekin | warmi: paused atm |
| 15:30:02 | Harlekin | warmi: maybe a better alternative turns up |
| 15:30:07 | warmi | any other contenders ? |
| 15:30:11 | mark | warmi: i'd like to hack together a prototype pim app using sqlite |
| 15:30:14 | Harlekin | warmi: but imho splite looks good |
| 15:30:52 | JasonNJ | why not mysql? |
| 15:30:54 | warmi | Harlekin: yeah.. I agre, it works fine |
| 15:31:05 | tux_mike | Harlekin: who wrote the irobex stuff for opie again? |
| 15:31:07 | Harlekin | JasonNJ: size |
| 15:31:16 | Harlekin | tux_mike: *cough* |
| 15:31:18 | warmi | JasonNJ: mysql required stand alone deamon and a lot of setup compared to file based db like sqlite |
| 15:31:22 | Harlekin | tux_mike: whats wrong with it? |
| 15:31:31 | nemui-chan | Twiun: Just makin' sure ;) |
| 15:31:50 | tux_mike | Harlekin: i have openobex properly installed and the irapplet won't activate ir |
| 15:32:10 | Harlekin | tux_mike: libopieobex too? |
| 15:32:15 | tux_mike | yup |
| 15:32:22 | Harlekin | newest opie? |
| 15:32:35 | Twiun | warmi: sqlite is in-process, right? |
| 15:32:38 | Harlekin | tux_mike: ipaq or z? |
| 15:32:42 | tux_mike | z |
| 15:32:49 | JasonNJ | the newest opie is pretty cool but that liquid stuff is flakey |
| 15:32:53 | Harlekin | hmm not sure if it works on a Z |
| 15:32:55 | JasonNJ | although its neat |
| 15:33:02 | mark | JasonNJ: flakey in what way? |
| 15:33:05 | Harlekin | JasonNJ: its a bit slow on 206 mhz |
| 15:33:09 | JasonNJ | doesnt work on the time |
| 15:33:10 | treke | JasonNJ: : mysql is huge :) |
| 15:33:12 | JasonNJ | er all the time |
| 15:33:13 | Harlekin | JasonNJ: and some bugs left |
| 15:33:14 | warmi | Twiun: yeah .. my app installs sqlite.so.2 |
| 15:33:20 | tux_mike | Harlekin: well, is there any way to get a debug output? |
| 15:33:26 | warmi | but it is inprocess db, that's what I like about it :-) |
| 15:33:36 | whardier | sqlite and my nutsack get along VERY well! |
| 15:33:41 | Harlekin | tux_mike: add som qDebug msg to irdaapplet and look |
| 15:33:46 | Twiun | warmi: wasn't there a libmysql around at some point too? |
| 15:33:49 | JasonNJ | it has potential though, I like the way it looks |
| 15:33:52 | Harlekin | tux_mike: because turning irda on is independant from obex |
| 15:33:55 | tux_mike | where will the qDebug messages go though? |
| 15:34:01 | Harlekin | tux_mike: console |
| 15:34:14 | warmi | Twiun: yeah but it was different... it was just client side code for connecting to mysql server |
| 15:34:20 | Twiun | Ahhhhh |
| 15:34:22 | Harlekin | tux_mike: maybe you need extra work on a Z |
| 15:34:27 | tux_mike | kinda hard to see the console on the Z :) i guess i can hack the scripts to put the debug to file |
| 15:34:29 | Harlekin | tux_mike: maybe ask somebody with a Z |
| 15:34:30 | mark | irda applet worked in the past |
| 15:34:34 | warmi | sqlite.so.2 is a standalone database .. all it needs is a db file itself .. like MS access |
| 15:34:39 | Kappucho | Right. I'm curious, how many of you have a working USB connection between the Z and a workstation running Linux? |
| 15:34:39 | Harlekin | tux_mike: no serial console on a Z? |
| 15:34:46 | mark | load up a konsole.. |
| 15:34:52 | Twiun | warmi: yeah, kinda like hsqldb in java |
| 15:34:59 | Harlekin | mark: wont work, since its an applet |
| 15:35:11 | Harlekin | mark: irdaapplet was rewritten |
| 15:35:15 | warmi | Twiun: I guess ... I never heard about hsqldb :-) |
| 15:35:25 | tux_mike | the thing is, i don't see how it shoudl be that differet, because they both depend on the linux irda drivers |
| 15:35:29 | Twiun | warmi: hsqldb.sf.net |
| 15:35:42 | nemui-chan | What is the "liquid" stuff? |
| 15:35:57 | Twiun | warmi: I'm thinking about using it for the competition |
| 15:35:58 | warmi | mark;: you want to write addressbook app with sqlite ? |
| 15:36:02 | treke | warmi: How portable are the data files for sql lite? |
| 15:36:12 | benmeyer | http://home.no.net/rfisher/zaurus/freeciv.html |
| 15:36:23 | warmi | treke: that is a problem .... these db files are endian dependent |
| 15:36:42 | warmi | for the Z it doesn't matter since both Z and intel are the same as far as endianess is concerned |
| 15:36:48 | JasonNJ | god damn is it hot outside |
| 15:36:52 | treke | warmi: mac's :) |
| 15:36:53 | JasonNJ | friggin 105 degrees |
| 15:36:59 | tux_mike | gah! i found my problem. the main module didn't load!! |
| 15:36:59 | warmi | JasonNJ: 90 degrees here in Chicago |
| 15:37:07 | treke | and how stable is the format between releases? |
| 15:37:13 | mark | warmi: i'm kinda tempted to write an all-in-one pim app. they work better for me |
| 15:37:27 | nemui-chan | mark: I'd use it if it worked well. |
| 15:37:29 | tux_mike | Harlekin: will the irda applet save my settings over reboots? |
| 15:37:39 | warmi | mark: use sqlite with my wrapper .. trust me , it will save you a lot of trouble :-) |
| 15:37:44 | Harlekin | tux_mike: no, it ready from /proc |
| 15:37:46 | Harlekin | reads |
| 15:37:49 | Kappucho | Well, anybody here having a working USB connection between Z and Linux on workstation? |
| 15:37:56 | mark | Kappucho: yes |
| 15:37:58 | Harlekin | treke: where you the one with the grafitti set? |
| 15:38:02 | warmi | Twiun: using hsqldb as in what app ? |
| 15:38:13 | Kappucho | mark: using ppp or making usb ethernet? |
| 15:38:13 | mark | warmi: hehe, yep. |
| 15:38:19 | treke | Harlekin: I am |
| 15:38:20 | mark | Kappucho: usb eth |
| 15:38:21 | Twiun | warmi: that'd be telling ;-) |
| 15:38:41 | Harlekin | treke: could you mail the files to mark and me? |
| 15:38:43 | warmi | Twiun: hehe .... |
| 15:38:56 | Kappucho | mark: and how did you setup your PC to work with that? |
| 15:38:57 | tux_mike | Harlekin: so i have to tell it to enable irda every reboot? |
| 15:39:08 | treke | Harlekin: : I'll send them to you as soon as I fix a couple things |
| 15:39:29 | Twiun | warmi: in any case, I think I can shrink hsqlb down to around 100k or so... not bad for a full-feature (almost)SQL92 b |
| 15:39:55 | Twiun | erm... SQL92 db |
| 15:40:03 | warmi | yeah, similar with sqlite ... 200 kb for almost SQL92 compliant DB with transactions etc |
| 15:40:03 | Harlekin | tux_mike: yes |
| 15:40:07 | Harlekin | tux_mike: you reboot your device? |
| 15:40:20 | mark | warmi: gimme a shout when ur wrapper lib is done. or is it? |
| 15:40:31 | nemui-chan | Kappucho: : I think everyone uses usb eth ;) You set it up by doing the usbd network part I told you about =) |
| 15:40:38 | Twiun | warmi: choice of memory and/or file tables? |
| 15:40:38 | warmi | it is already done .. iti s part of NFDB , I jsut haven't had a time to release the source code :-) |
| 15:40:42 | mark | oh right |
| 15:40:42 | warmi | but I will let you know |
| 15:40:55 | warmi | Twiun: what do you mean ? |
| 15:41:02 | Kappucho | nemui-chan: usbd on my PC will make it work like a HUB and then what? will it spoof ip packets on my interface? |
| 15:41:27 | warmi | btw .. the way current installation process on Z works really sucks . |
| 15:42:03 | Twiun | warmi: some databases have to load large chunks of the db into memory to work... the workaround are file-base databases... almost nothing gets read into ram |
| 15:42:04 | warmi | this 2x space requirment to install an ipkg is really anoying when things get a little bigger like db files etc |
| 15:42:13 | Twiun | absolutely |
| 15:42:27 | warmi | Twiun: it is btree based .. I am not sure how he handles it .. perhaps only index part resides in memory |
| 15:42:41 | Kappucho | Well. I'm going to quit for the day, this is too slow. |
| 15:44:00 | nemui-chan | Kappucho: if you follow the nat stuff listed in the usb ethernet howto, yes :) |
| 15:44:27 | kergoth | goddamn |
| 15:44:36 | kergoth | i was on that support call for 90 minutes |
| 15:44:39 | kergoth | sheesh |
| 15:44:39 | Kappucho | nemui-chan: not today. The software on the Zaurus suck so tremendously I have wasted half a day trying to make ppp work on it. How they could make something so poorly designed is beyond me. |
| 15:44:41 | warmi | Twiun: oh come on .. let us know what app are you planning .. just general idea |
| 15:44:41 | kergoth | re |
| 15:45:06 | warmi | it is not like millions of people are just waiting to enter this Java contest and are starving for ideas what app to write |
| 15:45:08 | warmi | hehe |
| 15:45:34 | mark | warmi: look at handago.com, browse ppc or palm, youll f ind something |
| 15:45:58 | benmeyer | Find a good seller on handago and clone it |
| 15:45:59 | warmi | mark: huh ? I am not looking for ideas :-) |
| 15:46:24 | warmi | I was just asking TWiun to let us know what is he planning for the Java contest |
| 15:46:44 | mark | it is not like millions of people are just waiting to enter this Java contest and are starving for ideas what app to write -- i th ought this was tinged with sarcasm :) |
| 15:47:24 | warmi | yeah, it was |
| 15:47:26 | warmi | hehe |
| 15:47:47 | warmi | anyway .. I have enough stuff to do |
| 15:47:55 | Twiun | Hehehe |
| 15:47:57 | mark | java is odd |
| 15:48:08 | Twiun | Java programmers are worse ;-) |
| 15:48:15 | warmi | I should have used that NFDB thingy for JAva contest .. write it in Java |
| 15:48:19 | warmi | heeh |
| 15:48:44 | Twiun | seriously though... my main reason is that my keyboar is on its way out... can't type some letters... |
| 15:48:56 | warmi | why ? |
| 15:49:00 | mark | warmi: i should do my pim in java ;) |
| 15:49:13 | Twiun | warmi: too ancient I think |
| 15:49:24 | warmi | mark: yeah you could ... |
| 15:49:27 | Twiun | getting itsupport to replace it |
| 15:49:45 | warmi | but then you would have to write JDBC driver for sqlite or use some other Java based db |
| 15:50:08 | Twiun | Yup... hsqldb has that |
| 15:50:11 | Harlekin | warmi: jeode lacks the java sql stuff? |
| 15:50:21 | Twiun | I hope not |
| 15:50:45 | warmi | Harlekin: I don't know .. |
| 15:51:10 | warmi | even it it does have ... someone still would have to write JDBC driver for sqlite |
| 15:51:16 | warmi | which woudn't be that hard |
| 15:51:49 | nemui-chan | Kappucho: I kind of have to take everything you say with a grain of salt about how software sucks... After bitching about how your usb didnt work and how you had read all the howtos, I told you the first step in the howto, you did it and it worked. =) |
| 15:52:02 | nemui-chan | Heya XavierXeon |
| 15:52:18 | warmi | mark: general info about sqlite http://www.hwaci.com/sw/sqlite/ |
| 15:52:22 | warmi | if you care |
| 15:52:35 | mark | yeh, i've read that |
| 15:52:49 | warmi | they already have ODBC driver for it .. hah , I did not know |
| 15:53:30 | XavierXeon | hi |
| 15:59:08 | warmi | mark: how are sales for Knights ? |
| 15:59:40 | mark | warmi: i think i've saturated the market :) |
| 15:59:51 | warmi | hahaha |
| 16:00:04 | treke | nah, I'll buy a copy eventually |
| 16:00:11 | warmi | new comers should provide you with enough momentum to pay for your DSL |
| 16:01:02 | warmi | mark: I won't be release for some time .. I have tons of other projects |
| 16:01:11 | warmi | which I intend to finish before that one |
| 16:01:20 | warmi | "won't be releasing" that is |
| 16:01:38 | warmi | I am talking here another 2-3 months ... |
| 16:01:58 | benmeyer | Well I will probably release a new version of kinkatta today |
| 16:02:03 | warmi | asys was the guy who kept bothering me about it.. now he is happy with Knights so I guess he won't bother me anymore |
| 16:02:05 | benmeyer | with buzzer support and a few bug fixes |
| 16:02:06 | treke | cool |
| 16:02:24 | mark | warmi: oh right, okay |
| 16:02:26 | benmeyer | reduced binary size |
| 16:02:28 | benmeyer | :-D |
| 16:02:29 | mark | cool :). hehe |
| 16:02:48 | warmi | reduced ? |
| 16:03:02 | warmi | how did you managed that ? |
| 16:03:03 | benmeyer | mak |
| 16:03:21 | benmeyer | Because the last binary was from December when the CONFIG class was messed up |
| 16:03:24 | nemui-chan | benmeyer: Kinkatta for the Z? Or in general? Can we make requests? =) |
| 16:03:36 | benmeyer | so I copied it from cvs and renamed it to fuckedupconfig and used it |
| 16:03:43 | nemui-chan | lol |
| 16:03:49 | benmeyer | now I can remove it sense the new sdk is better |
| 16:03:52 | warmi | hah |
| 16:04:13 | warmi | whoa .. alpha of freeciv available at zsi |
| 16:04:25 | benmeyer | -rwxrwxr-x 1 ben 467156 Jul 3 12:05 kinkattalite |
| 16:04:26 | mark | dott on my Z rocks :) |
| 16:04:29 | benmeyer | ALPHA |
| 16:04:30 | benmeyer | can't play |
| 16:04:47 | treke | mark: figured out how to quit yet? |
| 16:04:47 | benmeyer | dott? |
| 16:04:51 | treke | day of the tentacle |
| 16:04:52 | warmi | crap .. it doesn't work on 5000d |
| 16:05:01 | treke | Sequal to Maniac Mansion by Lucas arts |
| 16:05:01 | nemui-chan | benmeyer: So can we make requests? (I assume this is kinkatta for the z?) |
| 16:05:08 | benmeyer | yup |
| 16:05:12 | nemui-chan | DotT is great!! :) |
| 16:05:14 | benmeyer | sure go ahead and make a request |
| 16:05:17 | mark | treke: yes, control c in a ssh terminal :) |
| 16:05:21 | nemui-chan | benmeyer: TABS! =) I so hate kinkatta without tabs. |
| 16:05:26 | benmeyer | tabs? |
| 16:05:30 | benmeyer | sorry to incgrained |
| 16:05:36 | nemui-chan | Tabs ala gaim style. Different people just pop up a new tab instead of a new window. |
| 16:05:45 | treke | mark: haha. I guess we could go and modify the source to use escape and not f5, possibly |
| 16:06:00 | nemui-chan | (I'm not positive how it works on the Z when a 'new' person messages you but I assume its similar to x86's kinkatta) |
| 16:06:05 | mark | treke: can we not add a menu bar thing to it to allow us to quit and save and stuff? |
| 16:06:53 | treke | mark: I dont know how scummvm works, and whether the saving is handeled by he engine or the game script |
| 16:06:55 | warmi | benmeyer: are you the main developer for kinkatta ? |
| 16:06:59 | benmeyer | yup |
| 16:07:09 | benmeyer | wrote 99% of the code |
| 16:07:17 | benmeyer | well more like 90% |
| 16:07:24 | benmeyer | reused the network backend from kit |
| 16:07:33 | benmeyer | but even then heavily modified it |
| 16:07:38 | warmi | which kit ? |
| 16:07:46 | benmeyer | from kde |
| 16:07:49 | mark | treke: ok, but we cant add something that pops up when you it the menu button on a Z or something? |
| 16:07:50 | warmi | oh |
| 16:07:52 | warmi | ok |
| 16:08:07 | mark | treke: a menu bar? or is this not doable within SDL? |
| 16:08:07 | Hellaenergy | Is there a network sniffer like ethereal for the z? |
| 16:08:23 | tux_mike | sugar quote wcome |
| 16:08:23 | Sugar | tux_mike: WCOME @ 12:12pm: 0.24 (+0.14 +140.00%) Bid: n/a Ask: n/a |
| 16:08:29 | tux_mike | they are up |
| 16:08:38 | Hellaenergy | Also who wants to port nessus to the z? |
| 16:08:39 | treke | mark: Probably doable with SDL, my idea was to write an input sdl within SDL that would completly solve that problem :) |
| 16:09:05 | treke | mark: Its probably easier to make scummvm pretend that escape is f5 though |
| 16:09:10 | Hellaenergy | That would make the Zaurus one bad beast ;) |
| 16:09:37 | warmi | what's nessus ? |
| 16:09:45 | Hellaenergy | www.nessus.org |
| 16:09:48 | | BigBoss: sorry... |
| 16:09:48 | BigBoss | ibot nessus |
| 16:09:49 | mark | treke: yeh, go ask on #scummvm |
| 16:10:04 | warmi | oh, that security thing |
| 16:10:06 | Hellaenergy | A network security anylizer |
| 16:10:22 | Hellaenergy | Its a great tool |
| 16:10:27 | treke | I think I will :) |
| 16:10:30 | warmi | I was confused by treke talking about SDL .. I though it was related to nessus |
| 16:10:31 | warmi | hehe |
| 16:10:49 | treke | nope, not nessus |
| 16:10:51 | mark | warmi: i just saw an email from you to me re ti85 emu. please remind me to finish that at some point |
| 16:11:01 | warmi | hahaha |
| 16:11:03 | Hellaenergy | why not? |
| 16:11:13 | warmi | mark: it has been like ... 2 months now |
| 16:11:21 | mark | warmi: yes, I know, sorry :/ |
| 16:11:23 | warmi | I thought you got it to work |
| 16:11:54 | warmi | mark: I have the same problem .. I start bunch of projects and then slowly get one by one done .. not enough time |
| 16:12:05 | mark | it was sorta working, i'll go back to it soon |
| 16:12:15 | mark | warmi: i do the same, i just dont usually get em done :P |
| 16:12:16 | kergoth | mark: speaking of projects, wheres kvim/e at? :-P |
| 16:12:33 | mark | kergoth: i told you that was gonna take time, and a lot of it ;). Its at the cursing qt/e stage |
| 16:12:35 | warmi | I try to have couple of them at the same time so if I get bored and frustrated with one I can switch to another |
| 16:12:40 | kergoth | mark: hehe. figured :-) |
| 16:13:01 | mark | warmi: yeh, i do that, i often forget to switch back though :) |
| 16:13:08 | kergoth | mark: i have that problem too |
| 16:13:16 | JasonNJ | kergoth: how goes the kernel |
| 16:13:17 | warmi | kergoth: hahaha |
| 16:14:24 | kergoth | JasonNJ: working on the mtd driver stuff, so that i can mount the rootfs |
| 16:14:41 | warmi | kergoth: remember when I send you that nfdb ipkg two days ago or so .. forget about that one, it was screwed up , make sure you delete it :-) |
| 16:14:53 | warmi_meeting | crap .. another one |
| 16:15:29 | kergoth | warmi_meeting: hah, okay |
| 16:18:06 | ljp_ | damn meetings |
| 16:18:56 | alan6101 | any of you guys use winxp? |
| 16:19:02 | BigBoss | sadly, I have it |
| 16:19:16 | alan6101 | sadly is right, I plan to fix that very soon though |
| 16:19:30 | kergoth | wtf |
| 16:19:35 | kergoth | i have to come in to work friday |
| 16:19:36 | kergoth | that sucks |
| 16:19:50 | alan6101 | I've got a small 20 user network here at work with a couple of cheapo linksys routers connect to 2 dsl lines |
| 16:20:13 | alan6101 | been having issues for a few days connecting to the internet, it would die intermittently |
| 16:20:55 | alan6101 | found out today that any windows xp machine on the network can go into the connections folder, disable the internet gateway icon and it disconnects the dsl (ppoe) on the router |
| 16:21:04 | alan6101 | don't have to have the admin password or anything |
| 16:22:12 | kergoth | alan6101: lol |
| 16:23:29 | alan6101 | setup has worked fine for over a year with nt and 2k clients, changed a few to xp and it's gone to hell in a handbasket |
| 16:25:04 | isaacs|meeting | is away: i'm in a lovely meeting... |
| 16:25:19 | JasonNJ | hmmm what should we barbeque tomorrow |
| 16:25:33 | Nadav | hmm |
| 16:25:38 | JasonNJ | italian sausages.... pork loin.... hangar steaks... |
| 16:25:49 | whardier | is headed for the hills tomorrow |
| 16:26:01 | kergoth | man, i love barbequeing |
| 16:26:07 | alan6101 | one more thing, since there are two on the same subnet, all the xp machines have this internet gateway icon that disappears and reappears like it's having a conflict |
| 16:26:09 | JasonNJ | whardier: taking up the kazcynski mantle? |
| 16:26:19 | whardier | the who? |
| 16:26:26 | JasonNJ | unabomber |
| 16:26:39 | whardier | I don't bomb.. |
| 16:26:40 | whardier | heh |
| 16:26:52 | whardier | no a bunch of friends are headed up to the hills to camp |
| 16:26:53 | whardier | shoot |
| 16:26:54 | whardier | and have fun |
| 16:27:03 | JasonNJ | shooting is fun |
| 16:27:07 | whardier | we should have the swat there in a matter of a few hours |
| 16:27:08 | kergoth | camping is fun too |
| 16:27:42 | whardier | I have not been in a while |
| 16:27:49 | whardier | I am gonna have CRT detachment syndrome |
| 16:27:54 | kergoth | hah |
| 16:28:01 | kergoth | I love time away from the computer shit |
| 16:28:07 | whardier | I don't |
| 16:28:11 | whardier | it makes me loose money |
| 16:28:13 | MSpin | *yawn* |
| 16:28:17 | kergoth | point taken |
| 16:28:18 | kergoth | hey MSpin |
| 16:28:21 | HrAbbey | JasonNJ: / Ben Is the ZaurusZone feed prog's automatically updated to newest ver, or do we have to bug ya? |
| 16:28:23 | MSpin | heya kergoth |
| 16:28:44 | HrAbbey | s/Ben/benmeyer/ |
| 16:29:00 | whardier | has one fat kitty on him |
| 16:29:09 | whardier | digging into my skin |
| 16:29:10 | whardier | woot |
| 16:29:17 | whardier | I have the coolest body scars |
| 16:29:26 | whardier | I just have to claim they are from knives and stuff |
| 16:29:27 | whardier | and not cats |
| 16:29:33 | kergoth | hah |
| 16:30:00 | kergoth | i have scars on my left arm & shoulder from when i wiped my bicycle at 15yrs old and went part way underneith a chainlink fence. hehe |
| 16:30:12 | whardier | oww |
| 16:30:21 | kergoth | yeh that sucked. especially biking home |
| 16:30:21 | whardier | I lost my thumb nail once |
| 16:30:28 | kergoth | ack, thatd suck |
| 16:30:31 | whardier | it did |
| 16:30:34 | whardier | bout the same age |
| 16:30:38 | kergoth | i broke my toe by stubbing it into a coffee table! |
| 16:30:39 | kergoth | lol |
| 16:30:40 | whardier | it was pretty cool |
| 16:30:53 | whardier | I ripped the thumbnail from the bed of it |
| 16:30:58 | whardier | it was not coming off however |
| 16:31:00 | mark | kergoth: i've done that kinda things many a time |
| 16:31:07 | whardier | so I had to wait until it fell off |
| 16:31:13 | whardier | and it fell off when I was reaching for change |
| 16:31:23 | whardier | and I ended up giving some guy 50 cents and a thumbnail |
| 16:31:25 | kergoth | haha |
| 16:31:29 | kergoth | poor guy |
| 16:31:30 | whardier | he was.. grossed out |
| 16:31:34 | mark | LOL |
| 16:32:03 | whardier | the bed of your fingernail is just odd |
| 16:32:08 | whardier | it turns awesome crsty yellows |
| 16:32:11 | whardier | crusty |
| 16:32:18 | whardier | its just gross |
| 16:32:22 | whardier | don't loose your fingernails kids |
| 16:32:36 | whardier | I have mine back now of course.. but it is like double the original thickness |
| 16:32:47 | kergoth | hehe. i love how the body adapts like that |
| 16:32:55 | whardier | well |
| 16:33:07 | mark | lighting :/ |
| 16:33:07 | whardier | like when I was bitching about cutting a huge hole in my finger a few weeks back |
| 16:33:18 | whardier | its gonna take a while for the nerve endings to return |
| 16:33:27 | whardier | but I don't have a 3mm gash in my finger anymore |
| 16:33:29 | whardier | it grew back |
| 16:33:31 | whardier | thats just neat |
| 16:33:34 | kergoth | hehe |
| 16:33:35 | kergoth | yeah |
| 16:33:47 | whardier | I sorta wanna cut of more stuff and see if it grows back |
| 16:33:49 | kergoth | the body is such a cool thing. adaptive |
| 16:33:51 | kergoth | lol |
| 16:34:16 | whardier | can't some lizards regrow tails in like a few days? |
| 16:34:23 | HrAbbey | ZSI sez someone repackaged links. |
| 16:34:25 | sig | anyone use debian in here? |
| 16:34:28 | HrAbbey | yet another browser for me to test wwwoffle on... |
| 16:34:31 | whardier | sigh |
| 16:34:32 | kergoth | sig: course |
| 16:34:33 | HrAbbey | sig: I am. |
| 16:34:39 | sig | I got a question for you |
| 16:34:39 | whardier | everybody SHOULD.. use debian in here |
| 16:34:41 | sig | sid? |
| 16:34:43 | sig | or woody? |
| 16:34:47 | whardier | unstable! |
| 16:34:49 | whardier | all the way! |
| 16:34:51 | kergoth | i use sid on my desktops |
| 16:34:51 | whardier | screw the pet names1 |
| 16:34:53 | sig | so sid it is |
| 16:34:54 | sig | sweet |
| 16:35:00 | HrAbbey | stable base, unstable top. |
| 16:35:05 | sig | can you give me some source urls |
| 16:35:07 | whardier | I installed woody base |
| 16:35:07 | sig | for sid |
| 16:35:08 | whardier | unstable top |
| 16:35:09 | sig | Please |
| 16:35:10 | nemui-chan | unstable definitely. |
| 16:35:16 | whardier | http://segfault.bogomip.com/bf2.4.iso |
| 16:35:20 | whardier | sig: use that iso |
| 16:35:26 | sig | I am in sid now |
| 16:35:32 | whardier | it will install a 2.4.17 kernel with ext3/reiserfs if you want it |
| 16:35:34 | sig | I want apt-get source sources |
| 16:35:36 | kergoth | whardier: that a woody netinst iso? |
| 16:35:42 | whardier | kergoth: yeah1 |
| 16:35:44 | nemui-chan | Debian is so anal retentive about stability that their unstable version is more stable than most other distro's "stable" versions. |
| 16:35:46 | kergoth | cool |
| 16:35:55 | whardier | thats my most favorite iso |
| 16:35:56 | HrAbbey | nemui-chan: so true... |
| 16:36:18 | ljp_ | heh you said woody |
| 16:36:25 | sig | HrAbbey: can you give me some of your source sources urls in /etc/apt/sources.list???? |
| 16:36:27 | sig | please |
| 16:37:09 | nemui-chan | ljp: you here about the japanese internet tv box? |
| 16:37:23 | ljp_ | runs MS? |
| 16:37:36 | nemui-chan | ljp: They're mascot was woody woodpecker, and they wanted their logo to be "Get on the internet with your Woody" until the americans explained to them while that would be bad. :) |
| 16:37:42 | nemui-chan | s/They're/their/ |
| 16:38:13 | ljp_ | hahaha |
| 16:38:18 | kergoth | hm how the hell do you force wget to download something in binary mode |
| 16:38:28 | ljp_ | kick it first |
| 16:38:45 | kergoth | kicks it |
| 16:38:46 | HrAbbey | sig: sorry, don't use any source in apt, except for debian.org. |
| 16:39:41 | kergoth | sig: make sure you use http sources not ftp |
| 16:39:59 | sig | kergoth: yes i know |
| 16:40:20 | kergoth | apt's ftp method is slow as hell |
| 16:40:20 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:40:22 | XavierXeon | kergoth : you want to download binaries with wget |
| 16:40:37 | kergoth | XavierXeon: yeah |
| 16:41:05 | XavierXeon | maybe it's just me but you can just download them without any flag |
| 16:41:05 | JasonNJ | man I need lunch |
| 16:41:10 | JasonNJ | brb |
| 16:41:56 | kergoth | XavierXeon: assuming sane mime types on the web server.. yeah :) |
| 16:42:04 | benmeyer | With tmake how do I make it compile with optimiztions -Os and not -O2? |
| 16:42:33 | XavierXeon | benmeyer: alter makefile generated by tmake ? |
| 16:42:50 | mark | whats the best way to break from inside a for loop? |
| 16:43:02 | kergoth | benmeyer: there's a variable you can override in the .pro which contains that, iirc.. dont remember what it was though |
| 16:43:17 | kergoth | mark: break;? heh |
| 16:43:22 | tux_mike | anyone know of a good howto for making kstyles |
| 16:43:29 | benmeyer | bla, why are qt binaries to huge? |
| 16:43:43 | XavierXeon | mark: break or set abort condition |
| 16:44:08 | HrAbbey | anybody know where to get the source for server manager? |
| 16:44:08 | HrAbbey | I want to use it as a base for wwwoffle. |
| 16:44:40 | benmeyer | hehe |
| 16:44:51 | benmeyer | in the bits of my hard drives deleted section |
| 16:44:53 | benmeyer | sorry |
| 16:45:07 | benmeyer | didn't do anything fancy anway |
| 16:45:11 | benmeyer | simply some file parsing |
| 16:45:17 | HrAbbey | benmeyer: Eh?!? THAT's why one should publish sources! |
| 16:45:25 | HrAbbey | benmeyer: but I'm LAZY!!! |
| 16:45:48 | HrAbbey | and not confident in Qt... |
| 16:45:49 | benmeyer | yah, well I hadn't been given permission by Sharp Japan to publish the sources at that point |
| 16:45:59 | HrAbbey | Ah, understood... |
| 16:46:00 | benmeyer | so it just sat there on my drive |
| 16:49:53 | mark | kergoth: yeh, I was using break but it wasn't using. i was beeing supid thouH :) |
| 17:07:18 | benmeyer | yah went from 506592 to 453460 in size |
| 17:14:43 | mark | treke: can you send the graffiti sets over? |
| 17:16:59 | treke | mark: Soon. I messed part of it up and need to fix it |
| 17:18:57 | nemui-chan | Graffiti sets? Like for handwriting? |
| 17:19:04 | treke | yes |
| 17:19:21 | nemui-chan | How do you load a set? And where can I get the graffiti sets? |
| 17:19:44 | nemui-chan | Me and somone.. Twiun I think, were having this conversation this morning about how I wish we could do that. |
| 17:19:45 | treke | you put it in ~/Applications and you cant |
| 17:19:58 | nemui-chan | sigs |
| 17:20:02 | nemui-chan | I knew it was too good to be true. |
| 17:20:04 | nemui-chan | sighs too |
| 17:20:23 | treke | So far I'm the only person I know of who has done them, and I dont have them up for download :) |
| 17:20:37 | nemui-chan | Darnit :( I would really love a graffiti set. I truly hate the set that is default. |
| 17:21:03 | treke | be patient, I'll put them up somewhere when I'm sure I didnt forget anything stupid |
| 17:22:52 | nemui-chan | heh |
| 17:27:32 | [DrEvil] | all hail Clone Master ljp |
| 17:29:02 | BigBoss | clone master: we bow to you |
| 17:29:39 | Sniper | im working with the nessus guy on the porting |
| 17:30:35 | [DrEvil] | nessus to the Z? |
| 17:30:40 | Sniper | yes |
| 17:30:43 | [DrEvil] | why? |
| 17:30:48 | Sniper | nessus client |
| 17:31:18 | Sniper | i think it would be a great tool for security/network people |
| 17:31:33 | [DrEvil] | perhaps |
| 17:31:48 | [DrEvil] | or someone who uses his Z for war driving |
| 17:31:55 | [DrEvil] | but you still need a server |
| 17:32:28 | nemui-chan | Hmm... in opie solitaire, if you suck and the cards extend below the screen, you can't apparently ever see them again :p |
| 17:32:33 | nemui-chan | Why is ljp clone master?> |
| 17:32:51 | ljp_ | cause they want me to clone tkc apps |
| 17:32:56 | Sniper | true.. |
| 17:33:13 | nemui-chan | Who wants you to clone tkc apps? |
| 17:33:14 | [DrEvil] | you were talking about that awhile back |
| 17:33:21 | [DrEvil] | I own all the apps |
| 17:33:25 | ljp_ | nemuiZ: them |
| 17:33:25 | [DrEvil] | so it matters not to me |
| 17:33:42 | nemui-chan | Oh. "Them." |
| 17:33:43 | benmeyer | Does opera have a QCop call? |
| 17:33:43 | treke | nemui-chan: : Solitaire is pretty broken :) |
| 17:33:48 | benmeyer | or does konq? |
| 17:33:55 | treke | hehe I wouldnt mind more tkc clones :) |
| 17:33:59 | nemui-chan | treke: Sigh. What else am I supposed to do at work then? *(Sob)* =) |
| 17:34:00 | [DrEvil] | libclone |
| 17:34:11 | treke | nemui-chan: minesweeper of course |
| 17:34:20 | treke | far superior to solitaire |
| 17:34:26 | nemui-chan | I've already hit the point where on expert I can do it under 4 minutes easily. :) |
| 17:34:27 | ljp_ | although, I'd like to be able to figure out a way to disable tkc's style |
| 17:34:32 | nemui-chan | I'm mine swept out. =) |
| 17:34:50 | treke | same here. Thats the single biggest annoyance to me |
| 17:35:14 | treke | particularly since the difference in my color scheme and theirs is so striking |
| 17:35:41 | nemui-chan | Chicane is freaking insanely hard. How the hell do you win at that game? |
| 17:36:06 | nemui-chan | I came close once. For this definition of close: I actually had all the aces out. No stack was higher than 5, but hey... |
| 17:39:09 | nemui-chan | I'm repulsed by this horrid game, but strangely addicted. Like watching wrestling. |
| 17:40:41 | [DrEvil] | ljp_: clone Monopoly for PalmOS |
| 17:40:51 | ljp_ | trkek: think LD_PRELOAD |
| 17:40:55 | nemui-chan | With network support. :) |
| 17:41:13 | ljp_ | monopoly? |
| 17:41:24 | [DrEvil] | the game |
| 17:41:26 | nemui-chan | I want networked scorched earth actually. |
| 17:41:48 | [DrEvil] | Monopoly over BT would be sweet |
| 17:41:57 | nemui-chan | BT? |
| 17:41:59 | treke | ljp_: : What would you ld preload though? Isnt the style part of libtkc.so or whatever they call it? |
| 17:42:25 | [DrEvil] | BlueTooth |
| 17:42:28 | nemui-chan | ahh |
| 17:43:19 | ljp_ | trke: you have to invent a few functions to inject/replace theirs |
| 17:44:42 | ljp_ | setStyle() would be a good start |
| 17:55:09 | isaacs | is the Z an IrDA compatible device? |
| 17:56:26 | benmeyer | http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=30303 |
| 17:56:26 | benmeyer | put up kinkatta-0.94 |
| 17:57:25 | nemui-chan | I'm outta here guys. Enjoy you're holiday weekend if you get one, enjoy your weekend if you dont =) |
| 17:59:57 | treke | hehe later |
| 18:00:08 | KhensU_work | already had one |
| 18:00:18 | ljp_ | I wouldnt call one day off a holiday.. ;( |
| 18:00:32 | kergoth | man, they shouldve given us friday off |
| 18:00:37 | kergoth | i hate coming in on friday with thursday off |
| 18:00:44 | treke | same here |
| 18:01:15 | ljp_ | ya.. maybe I'll just be close on Friday, and give myself an extended weekend |
| 18:01:25 | ljp_ | hmmm |
| 18:03:53 | uncon | kintatta was painfully slow for me |
| 18:04:11 | benmeyer | eh, bummer |
| 18:04:15 | benmeyer | depends on the aol server |
| 18:04:22 | benmeyer | but the first 10 seconds probably is |
| 18:04:22 | uncon | well, the interface was slow |
| 18:04:30 | benmeyer | after the first 10 seconds? |
| 18:04:34 | uncon | yeah |
| 18:04:42 | uncon | after minutes |
| 18:04:45 | benmeyer | Well patches are welcome |
| 18:04:50 | uncon | heh |
| 18:05:01 | uncon | okay |
| 18:05:10 | kergoth | takepatch: 1695 new revisions, 4 conflicts in 1568 files. damn |
| 18:16:12 | JasonNJ | kergoth: how goes the kernel |
| 18:16:36 | peanut | yawns.. |
| 18:16:45 | peanut | anyone here have sharp mobile? |
| 18:16:58 | kergoth | JasonNJ: was working on the mtd stuff last night.. havent had time today, doing real work |
| 18:17:08 | JasonNJ | microsoft is honna have a both at linuxworld? lol |
| 18:17:19 | peanut | JasonNJ: hehehe. |
| 18:17:21 | treke | haha. |
| 18:17:33 | treke | that'l be fun :) |
| 18:18:09 | XavierXeon | microsoft at linuxworld ? |
| 18:19:24 | kergoth | damnit |
| 18:19:33 | kergoth | anyone have the url to the page with the pictures of hte Z internals handy? |
| 18:19:34 | XavierXeon | do they want to convince anyone with their "superior" products ? is there a press release ? |
| 18:20:04 | ljp_ | kergoth: http://www.opie.us in the devZone |
| 18:23:37 | kergoth | ljp_: is that a 5000d or a 5500? |
| 18:24:31 | ljp_ | ohh.. those are Rikers images |
| 18:24:50 | ljp_ | probably 5000d |
| 18:32:30 | Twiun | Is there a web page dedicated to PingiZaurus yet? |
| 18:33:23 | ljp_ | http://www.cafepress.com/cp/store/store.aspx?storeid=openzaurus |
| 18:34:12 | Twiun | Who's the copyright owner? I want to suggest Pingi as an alternative to Sun's Duke mascot |
| 18:34:31 | Nadav | hah |
| 18:34:34 | Hellaenergy | yo Sniper |
| 18:35:00 | ljp_ | twiun: I think wharider made pingizaurus |
| 18:35:02 | Twiun | Nadav: I had a really positive response from the Hangem game people |
| 18:35:11 | ljp_ | whardier, even |
| 18:35:27 | Twiun | ljp_: Cool, I'll get the guy to send queries to him then |
| 18:45:53 | Cloudchaser | - |
| 18:46:02 | honeypea | + |
| 18:48:22 | XavierXeon | = |
| 18:48:33 | kergoth | * |
| 18:48:34 | kergoth | bored |
| 18:48:37 | KhensU_work | % |
| 18:48:43 | honeypea | & me too |
| 18:48:59 | ljp_ | *%*&%$ |
| 18:49:01 | kergoth | ! i forgot to eat lunch. wtf |
| 18:49:11 | ljp_ | no soup fo ryou! |
| 18:49:53 | honeypea | @ lunchtime, kergoth? |
| 18:50:23 | kergoth | ( yeh was supposed to take lunch 50 mins ago :-) |
| 18:50:44 | honeypea | { dont go starving, now } |
| 18:58:01 | jbwiv | hey guys. I have a quick question if you don't mind. I just bought the SL-5500D and came home to play around with it. Slapped in the battery, started it up (while plugged into the AC adaptor) and was wow'd for a few hours. Then, I took the time to notice that I'm supposed to charge it for a full 24 hours before hand, for the internal niCd battery. Does it matter that I've been playing around with it turned on? Will it effect the internal b |
| 18:58:01 | jbwiv | attery? Or can I still use it as much as I want, confident that since I have it plugged in the internal battery is being charged? Thanks! |
| 18:58:53 | XavierXeon | i didn't load mine for 24h and it is working for months now |
| 19:00:05 | jbwiv | XavierXeon...thanks. So how long did you wait before turning it on? |
| 19:00:36 | ljp_ | just charge it up overnight, or till the light on the device goes out |
| 19:01:07 | whardier | keepa keen eye on that light! |
| 19:01:16 | ljp_ | hehe |
| 19:03:13 | benmeyer | the 24 hours is really for the backup battery which takes a really long time to charge |
| 19:06:30 | XavierXeon | is anyone working on a C++ class viewer for th z ? |
| 19:07:31 | jb_ | damn it. connection dropped. If anyone answered anything after my last q, could you repeat it? sorry ;-) |
| 19:09:43 | jbwiv | benmeyer: did you happen to answer that question? i.e., can incremental uses during that 24 hour period, or unplugging while off for periods of time, affect the life of the internal battery? Thanks. |
| 19:10:24 | Sniper | no |
| 19:10:32 | Sniper | just charge the thing overnight |
| 19:10:35 | Sniper | and it will charge the battery |
| 19:10:51 | jbwiv | cool, Sniper. Thanks. |
| 19:11:26 | Sniper | does anyone ahve any cool applications to show me? |
| 19:11:28 | honeypea | im never sure about the battery thang. i worry about it inordinately :) |
| 19:11:31 | Sniper | or ones they're working on? |
| 19:11:43 | jbwiv | one last question (I promise). The manual says I have to do a full reset *after* the battery is charged (that 24 hour period). I've already set it up, so is there any real reason to do this? |
| 19:12:13 | honeypea | does anyone know if it's literally *better* to top up charge a Li Ion, rather than just "not a problem" compared to bigger more discrete charging? |
| 19:12:27 | Sniper | jb: probably not, but if you havent set too much up on it, a hard reset might be pretty good to do |
| 19:14:06 | jbwiv | Sniper: well, I'm going out of town...where there are no ISPs or computers with USB ports, for the weekend, and I wanted to drop a terminal program on this thing and look around. If I do the hardware reset I'll lose those. That's fine, but what exact benefit do I get by doing the reset after the charge has completed? I've already done one reset (experimenting). |
| 19:14:47 | sjohnson | jbwiv: The fully reset will just clear out any left-over cruft processes. It's just a safty precaution |
| 19:14:58 | Sniper | start fresh |
| 19:15:35 | jbwiv | sjohnson: cruft processes? not sure what you mean....but, if I've done one during the charge period, do I really need to do one afterwards? Thanks for the answers.... |
| 19:15:38 | whardier | oh NEAT! |
| 19:15:41 | Sniper | cuz when you got the machine - there probably was some QA on it from the factory and you want to be sure all the processes are killed and you started frm scratch |
| 19:16:02 | siriusnov | hey |
| 19:16:10 | siriusnov | im thinking of going the wireless route |
| 19:16:17 | siriusnov | what CF card should I get + which wap ? |
| 19:16:27 | Sniper | CF card? call pretec |
| 19:16:34 | Sniper | WAP? do you have $$? |
| 19:16:45 | siriusnov | Sniper, whats the other way to connect via wireless? |
| 19:16:47 | jbwiv | Sniper: cool...that makes sense. but since I've already done one full reset, I should be cool, even though I didn't wait for the battery to fully charge, right? |
| 19:16:52 | sjohnson | jbwiv: IT's possible to start the Z on a patial battery charge. There is no telling what state your Z is in . |
| 19:17:07 | Sniper | WAP |
| 19:17:20 | Cloudchaser | you can connect 2 wireless cards ad-hoc |
| 19:17:22 | Sniper | if you're buying one, i want to know if you have a lot of $ .. if so get the cisco aeronet |
| 19:17:25 | Cloudchaser | or to access point |
| 19:17:30 | siriusnov | k |
| 19:17:34 | Sniper | or otherwise go for teh cheesey linksys one |
| 19:17:34 | Cloudchaser | i have an aironet 340 and like it ;) |
| 19:17:42 | Sniper | aironet rocks! but it's $$$$ |
| 19:17:47 | siriusnov | I dont have much $$$ =( |
| 19:17:50 | uncon | is it normal for the battery meter to only either diaply "good" or "low" ? |
| 19:17:52 | Cloudchaser | hehe i got it from work |
| 19:18:14 | Sniper | the battery meter isnt very good |
| 19:18:25 | Cloudchaser | they going to fix that Sniper? |
| 19:18:25 | Sniper | doesnt give much detail |
| 19:18:27 | uncon | hardware issue? |
| 19:18:37 | Sniper | hmm probably not.. |
| 19:18:56 | Sniper | you can run a command fromt he shell to tell % |
| 19:19:07 | siriusnov | Sniper, which command? |
| 19:19:10 | uncon | know the cmd off hand? |
| 19:19:29 | Sniper | hmm |
| 19:19:41 | mark | hi Sniper |
| 19:20:13 | Sniper | im looking |
| 19:20:50 | Sniper | #!/bin/bash |
| 19:20:50 | Sniper | # |
| 19:20:50 | Sniper | # Zaurus Battery *dtz* (Drain The Zaurus) v1.1 |
| 19:20:50 | Sniper | # As Follows: |
| 19:20:50 | Sniper | # Activate power level messaging by writting 1 or 2 to msglevel |
| 19:21:04 | Sniper | whoops |
| 19:21:08 | Sniper | sorry |
| 19:21:10 | Sniper | :-( |
| 19:24:47 | kergoth | Sniper: the driver itself only has 4 levels for power.. heh |
| 19:25:10 | Sniper | you mean /proc/driver/battery/msglevel |
| 19:25:42 | siriusnov | http://www.shopblt.com/cgi-bin/shop/shop.cgi?action=Enter&thispage=01200050400_B160473P.shtml&order_id=!ORDERID! |
| 19:25:46 | siriusnov | is that card any good? |
| 19:25:49 | uncon | full, good, low, none |
| 19:25:51 | kergoth | i mean linux-2.4.6-rmk1-np2-embedix/arch/arm/mach-sa1100/collie_battery.c |
| 19:25:55 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:25:58 | siriusnov | the socket communications wlan low power card? |
| 19:26:07 | Oriumpor | boo |
| 19:26:12 | Oriumpor | anyone live? |
| 19:26:15 | uncon | no |
| 19:26:23 | Oriumpor | :P |
| 19:26:39 | Sniper | nice card |
| 19:26:50 | Sniper | i have one |
| 19:26:57 | Oriumpor | big Q: anyone gotten freesci to work ... there a good page w/info? |
| 19:27:16 | siriusnov | Sniper. does it work well with the Z? |
| 19:27:21 | Sniper | yes.. |
| 19:27:24 | Sniper | WEP doesnt work though |
| 19:27:29 | siriusnov | crap |
| 19:27:33 | Oriumpor | Sniper which card? |
| 19:27:37 | Sniper | well it does/doesnt |
| 19:27:46 | siriusnov | no way in hell im having an unencrypted wlan in my house =P |
| 19:27:47 | Sniper | you need to recombile the kernel with the extensions |
| 19:28:08 | siriusnov | Sniper : so out of the box it works but without WEP? |
| 19:28:27 | siriusnov | and you gotta recompile the kernel to get WEP to work? |
| 19:28:30 | Sniper | 'out of the box' with the new ROM 2.37 .. otherwise download the driver from www.killefiz.de |
| 19:28:42 | Oriumpor | that the socket? |
| 19:28:49 | siriusnov | Sniper, where can I find the new rom? |
| 19:28:57 | Sniper | its not out yet.. but will be shortly |
| 19:29:00 | siriusnov | k |
| 19:29:22 | Oriumpor | ? |
| 19:29:33 | Sniper | in 2 weeks.. do you have a 5500? |
| 19:29:38 | siriusnov | yeah I do |
| 19:30:05 | Sniper | it fixes a few sync issues |
| 19:30:24 | siriusnov | does it fix the crappy batt-o-meter? |
| 19:30:29 | siriusnov | heh |
| 19:30:32 | Oriumpor | nothing will fix that |
| 19:30:33 | ljp_work | no |
| 19:30:38 | siriusnov | crap |
| 19:30:49 | siriusnov | any 3rd party solutions? |
| 19:30:52 | Sniper | batt-o-meter sucks |
| 19:30:53 | Oriumpor | it's a low battery warning :P |
| 19:30:53 | siriusnov | =( |
| 19:31:07 | Sniper | kergoth says there are only 4 states for the battery driver |
| 19:31:13 | siriusnov | that sux |
| 19:31:21 | Oriumpor | it's like the orange light on your gas gage... it laughs at you cause there's no way you could get gas in time if it goes off |
| 19:31:29 | Oriumpor | gauge even |
| 19:31:32 | siriusnov | what about OZ? |
| 19:31:35 | siriusnov | same prob? |
| 19:31:36 | ljp_work | I say that also, sniper ;) |
| 19:31:39 | Oriumpor | same thing |
| 19:31:46 | siriusnov | *sigh* |
| 19:31:55 | sjohnson | OZ and Z use the same kernel |
| 19:31:59 | siriusnov | well im going to buy the digipower dps 8100 batt pack anyway |
| 19:31:59 | uncon | what rom is soon to be out? sharp or oz? |
| 19:32:16 | Oriumpor | wear-hard might have some hardware solutions on that |
| 19:32:25 | Oriumpor | sharp |
| 19:32:42 | kergoth | uncon: oz3 b10.2 should be out soon.. if my buildsystem would stop segfaulting anyway |
| 19:32:52 | Oriumpor | :P |
| 19:33:03 | uncon | kergoth, cool |
| 19:33:10 | uncon | i had to take oz off of my z |
| 19:33:11 | ljp_work | kergoth: isnt the 4 battery levels a hardware limitation also? |
| 19:34:00 | uncon | i used the 32/32 rom and had way too little space to isntall aps, and ipks wouldn't install to sd w/o problems |
| 19:34:02 | Cloudchaser | oh i missed it all |
| 19:34:08 | kergoth | ljp_work: not certain. could be |
| 19:34:15 | Cloudchaser | the battery meter explanation |
| 19:34:22 | kergoth | uncon: so dont use 32/32 then. heh |
| 19:34:32 | uncon | kergoth, heh, i'm not now (: |
| 19:34:54 | uncon | but i like 32mb of ram (: |
| 19:34:55 | siriusnov | pricegrabber is so cool |
| 19:35:01 | ljp_work | cloudchaser: theres only 4 levels of battery |
| 19:35:12 | Oriumpor | There a good spec sheet on the serial port anywhere? |
| 19:35:41 | iang | siriusnov: I've written up instructions on using ahdoc, WEP, kismet for the socket low-power card. |
| 19:35:49 | iang | http://www.cypherpunks.ca/zaurus/socket.html |
| 19:36:10 | surge | aw hell |
| 19:36:17 | Oriumpor | I've had a hell of a time w/that card |
| 19:36:25 | Oriumpor | I'm thinking of just ebaying it at getting a dlink |
| 19:37:11 | crackotter | Anyone know where I can find a FAQ for getting qtopiadesktop-personal-use-1.5 running on the Redhat 7.2 distro?? Already have the USB ethernet networking up |
| 19:37:13 | Cloudchaser | i have a dlink |
| 19:37:15 | surge | whats this ospack.srom file with the new sharp update? can i chuck it in the root directory of a cf card and update the rom? |
| 19:37:37 | uncon | surge, nope |
| 19:37:39 | iang | surge: yes, but name it "ospack" |
| 19:37:42 | uncon | you'd have to rombust it |
| 19:37:49 | surge | shit |
| 19:38:01 | iang | that's how I did it |
| 19:38:05 | surge | whats rombust. and make up your minds :) |
| 19:38:06 | uncon | i tried it yesterday |
| 19:38:15 | uncon | http://www.cypherpunks.ca/zaurus/ bottom of page |
| 19:38:38 | uncon | it wouldn't flash the ospack.srom w/o the update software or breaking it up |
| 19:38:49 | iang | Did you rename the file to "ospack"? |
| 19:38:56 | uncon | no |
| 19:39:06 | uncon | bleh, lame |
| 19:39:08 | iang | When I did that, it worked. |
| 19:39:19 | uncon | took be hrs to get it to flash too... |
| 19:39:37 | uncon | is that documented omewhere? |
| 19:39:37 | Cloudchaser | http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/qtopia_desktop_howto.shtml |
| 19:39:38 | iang | If you *do* break up the ROM, you should probably only flash the zImage and initrd.bin files, and not the other ones. |
| 19:39:48 | surge | well, im out of ideas. i have a cf card with the ospack.srom in root directory, and a broken zaurus with the openzaurus rom on it that wont boot |
| 19:40:13 | uncon | surge, do what iang said and rename it |
| 19:40:15 | iang | What kind of Z do you have? |
| 19:40:25 | surge | uncon: how? |
| 19:40:33 | uncon | dunno how to rename a file |
| 19:40:42 | Cloudchaser | you using 5000 or 5500? |
| 19:40:46 | Oriumpor | q: |
| 19:40:46 | surge | sl-5500 |
| 19:40:55 | surge | uncon: not without a command prompt, no |
| 19:40:56 | uncon | ? |
| 19:41:07 | uncon | don't have any other way to read a cf card? |
| 19:41:17 | surge | no |
| 19:41:20 | iang | And this is the Ospack.srom from http://www.myzaurus.com/ROMupdate2.asp ? |
| 19:41:30 | uncon | iang, yes |
| 19:41:33 | surge | yes |
| 19:41:35 | uncon | (: |
| 19:41:37 | Oriumpor | after this crisis is dealt with... can someone explain to me how to create an icon that'll call a script?... i've messed with .desktops a little but it's confusing me |
| 19:41:41 | surge | 2.20 sharp rom |
| 19:42:06 | crackotter | Yes I used the ZaurusZone howto but unfortounley it starts up the Qt Palmtop windows but nevers goes past that <connects then disconnects over and over> |
| 19:42:07 | surge | Oriumpor: Exec=<your command to run here> |
| 19:42:08 | Cloudchaser | did you get both files? |
| 19:42:16 | iang | How did you get a file called "ospack.srom" onto a fat16 filesystem, anyway? |
| 19:42:34 | surge | iang: ncftp |
| 19:42:34 | Oriumpor | surge: i tried that... but it just hangs, and it never becomes a process. |
| 19:42:53 | surge | wonders why iang asked that |
| 19:42:53 | Cloudchaser | oh hmm if i remember right, can't have CF and SD card in |
| 19:43:02 | iang | But a fat16 filesystem is 8.3 filenames, and ospack.srom isn't. |
| 19:43:05 | surge | Oriumpor: then the program is broken |
| 19:43:09 | Oriumpor | do i need to define my script? (#!/bin/sh)? |
| 19:43:14 | surge | Oriumpor: try it directly from the command line |
| 19:43:27 | iang | Oriumpor: and make sure it's executable |
| 19:43:50 | surge | iang: win95 extensions i guess |
| 19:44:22 | iang | surge: then it won't work. The CF card *has* to be fat16, no extensions, for the C-D-reset to work. |
| 19:44:24 | uncon | lfn works fine on sd and cf formated fat16 (in my experience anyway) |
| 19:44:36 | Oriumpor | it works from the konsole |
| 19:44:43 | uncon | and in windows |
| 19:44:45 | Oriumpor | but not from the .desktop |
| 19:44:50 | uncon | (oh sry) |
| 19:45:02 | surge | iang: well i got openzaurus on it about an hour ago, it must be fat16 of some sort |
| 19:45:33 | iang | surge: In what way does OZ not boot? |
| 19:45:49 | Oriumpor | I don't need the direct path if it's in the env do I? |
| 19:46:08 | iang | Oriumpor: try it with the full path |
| 19:46:11 | surge | iang: currently: "Reconfiguring all packages installed to root." |
| 19:46:21 | JasonNJ | iang: OSPACK.SROM is uploaded to the RAM |
| 19:46:29 | JasonNJ | just rename it to OSPACK and put it on the CF card |
| 19:46:38 | sjohnson | surge: That's normal. It will take awhile to finish |
| 19:46:51 | jbwiv | hey guys...one more question. To sync the Zaurus with Linux, do I have to do the kernel patch, recompile, and then bring up the Ethernet over USB interface, or is there a faster way? |
| 19:46:56 | Cloudchaser | hello JasonNJ: :) |
| 19:47:10 | surge | sjohnson: yeh its been running like that for about 20 mins |
| 19:47:19 | iang | jbwiv: there's a standalone usbdnet module that doesn't need a kernel recompile |
| 19:47:26 | surge | i saw it take a while before, but not this long |
| 19:47:29 | Cloudchaser | you can do it with wireless or ethernet rather than eth over usb also |
| 19:47:39 | jbwiv | iang: do you know where can I find it? |
| 19:47:49 | iang | jbwiv: google? :-) |
| 19:47:56 | crackotter | jbwiv : The recompling is easy since it only affects the loadable modules.. |
| 19:48:02 | Oriumpor | iang: does it need a special type? |
| 19:48:10 | Oriumpor | iang: it's set as an app right now |
| 19:48:31 | iang | http://humphrey.applitec.com/zaurus/ for example |
| 19:48:36 | crackotter | I saw in a post the Troll-Tech was going to release the QtPalmtopDesktop as a RPM .. anyone know if it is out there yet?? |
| 19:48:47 | jbwiv | crackotter: so I should just be able to patch and "make modules" instead of doing a recompile? |
| 19:48:53 | sjohnson | surge: Mine took OZ install took awhile. but I don't recall exactly how long it took. |
| 19:49:00 | surge | oh god |
| 19:49:16 | surge | now i think ive completely deleted the rom |
| 19:49:29 | iang | jbwiv: not even that. Just compile the standalone package, and stick the resulting .o file in your /lib/modules/... directory. |
| 19:49:55 | iang | surge: is your CF card *in* your Z while the OZ is booting? |
| 19:50:34 | Oriumpor | iang: nm i'm an idiot it doesn't reset the links till after I restart QT |
| 19:50:36 | Oriumpor | my bad |
| 19:50:39 | surge | iang: sometimes, sometimes not. doesnt matter much now :/ it wont even turn on anymore |
| 19:50:56 | crackotter | jbwiv: Just follow the directions in the patching faq once you get your make menu running |
| 19:51:20 | surge | uhm, heh, is anyone happen to be near aachen that can write a rom image to a cf card for me ? :) |
| 19:52:18 | JasonNJ | surge: just ftp the sucker to port 4242 |
| 19:52:37 | iang | surge: d'oh. :-( Most computer places (and many camera shops) sell a CF-to-PCMCIA adapter. Then you could stick it in a laptop, etc. |
| 19:52:49 | surge | JasonNJ: this is openzaurus, they are paranoid f***ers and disabled it |
| 19:52:54 | surge | s/is/was |
| 19:53:07 | iang | JasonNJ: he said the machine doesn't even turn on. |
| 19:53:07 | JasonNJ | ah |
| 19:53:10 | surge | iang: oh thats nice. |
| 19:53:22 | JasonNJ | then you best get a CF to usb adapter for your pc |
| 19:53:23 | surge | . o O ( wish i had a laptop ) |
| 19:54:21 | iang | surge: you've tried (with the CF *out*) pushing the reset in the back without the C-D, right? And then pushing power on? With the AC in? |
| 19:54:29 | jbwiv | iang: found it. thanks. crackotter...thanks as well. When I loaded the standalone I got "Warning: usbdnet.o symbol for parameter echo_tx not found", but it's loaded, so I'll probably play this way for awhile and then recompile my own later. Thanks guys... |
| 19:54:39 | surge | well, if no one can lend me something.. im genuinely screwed. i cant afford stuff like that for a one off situation |
| 19:54:54 | crackotter | Best Buy <if you have one in your area> Has the CF-to-PCMCIA adaptors in the Digital Camera area.. |
| 19:54:56 | surge | iang: ill try it now.. |
| 19:55:44 | surge | iang: yep. dead as a doornail# |
| 19:55:58 | crackotter | no prob jbwiv .. I had a hello of a time getting working in my RH distro ..but seems fine now.. just have to get the hotplug service running so it does the "ifconfig" and "route" stuff automaticley |
| 19:56:00 | surge | iang: oh wait |
| 19:56:10 | surge | joy! openzaurus comes back! |
| 19:56:13 | iang | Yay! |
| 19:56:31 | iang | Now wait for it to comletely boot before putting the CF back in. |
| 19:56:32 | surge | but its still screwed |
| 19:56:37 | surge | i bet |
| 19:57:10 | surge | still stuck on "Reconfiguring all packages install to root" |
| 19:57:57 | surge | i saw somewhere a key to press to just do init=/bin/sh or something like that. can anyone remember where/remind me? |
| 19:58:04 | crackotter | Did anyone else have problems getting the Qtdesktop to run under RedHat Gnome? |
| 19:58:41 | kergoth | surge: let it reconfigure packages for a while |
| 19:58:41 | iang | On the normal Z, push the / key during the Wait...5...4...3... prompt. I don't know about OZ. |
| 19:58:58 | Cloudchaser | how so crackotter? |
| 19:59:03 | surge | iang: ill leave it overnight, but my "guts" tell me it wont get any further |
| 19:59:04 | iang | But kergoth would know better. :-) |
| 19:59:19 | surge | hmm |
| 20:00:00 | kergoth | surge: it'll reconfigure for a few minutes |
| 20:00:01 | iang | JasonNJ: is there a magic key combination to enter kernel boot parameters at all? |
| 20:00:16 | kergoth | iang: kernel boot parameters would have to be entered at the bootloader level, so no |
| 20:00:19 | crackotter | Clouadchaser: I linked all the library's plus exported the paths.. but The QtPalmtop software will never finish loading all the way.. pretty nuch a big blank window |
| 20:00:43 | iang | kergoth: yeah, I was hoping whatever checked for C-D-reset might also check for something else. |
| 20:00:48 | surge | kergoth: the / during boot wont work with OZ? |
| 20:00:52 | benmeyer | fun way to crash opera: http://developer.apple.com/images/ |
| 20:00:55 | benmeyer | haha |
| 20:01:01 | Cloudchaser | ok i have to run qtopia desktop as root |
| 20:01:02 | surge | oh hello |
| 20:01:11 | Cloudchaser | so my guess is you're having permissions issues |
| 20:01:16 | benmeyer | too much data... can't.. pr..oc.SEG |
| 20:01:23 | Cloudchaser | i was just too lazy to change it |
| 20:01:41 | crackotter | Cloudchaser: As root?? Why though?.. What file/libdoes it need SU permissions for?? |
| 20:02:07 | Cloudchaser | well i think i was root when i installed it |
| 20:02:20 | kergoth | surge: / wont help you if you want to adjust kernel parameters.. but no, oz odes not have a loader to alow you to hit /, sharp didnt release the soruce to theirs |
| 20:02:21 | Cloudchaser | so now i su to root and run the export and i'm fine |
| 20:02:41 | surge | kergoth: well it worked :) |
| 20:02:42 | Cloudchaser | if you use a script you have to changemod on the script |
| 20:02:52 | Cloudchaser | chmod |
| 20:03:02 | kergoth | surge: good good |
| 20:03:16 | Cloudchaser | anyway i'm not the most experienced linux user |
| 20:03:21 | iang | surge: so you're your OZ is up and running? |
| 20:03:30 | Cloudchaser | but i'd su and try it.. if it works then its permissions |
| 20:03:34 | Cloudchaser | if not, its something else |
| 20:03:42 | benmeyer | pretty pictures: http://developer.apple.com/macosx/architecture/index.html |
| 20:03:44 | benmeyer | yummy |
| 20:03:54 | crackotter | Cloudchaser: <nod> I tried running it as root and still no go.. In the background it shows it connecting to the Z then failing to reconnect and it just loops again and again.. |
| 20:03:56 | surge | iang, kergoth: i have a command prompt |
| 20:03:59 | benmeyer | <- needs to make the Zaurus's pictures more pretty |
| 20:04:00 | benmeyer | haha |
| 20:04:11 | Cloudchaser | hmmmm you made the links right? |
| 20:04:14 | surge | now to get the rom in the right form/place |
| 20:04:15 | Cloudchaser | and did the export? |
| 20:04:27 | crackotter | Cloudchaser: Yep.. |
| 20:04:37 | surge | iang: you said i should rename it to just "ospack"? |
| 20:04:42 | iang | surge: yes |
| 20:04:44 | Cloudchaser | and usb works on the pc? |
| 20:04:53 | iang | surge: it should be the *only* file on the card |
| 20:05:09 | crackotter | Cloudchaser: Yep got the USB up and running and ping back and forth from the machines |
| 20:05:16 | surge | iang: ok. trying now. wish me luck |
| 20:05:18 | Cloudchaser | and your settings in qtopia desktop are correct? |
| 20:05:24 | iang | surge: don't forget to plug in the AC! |
| 20:05:45 | iang | always found C+D+reset hard to do with one person |
| 20:06:14 | surge | iang: gotcha! |
| 20:06:37 | Cloudchaser | only other thing is, soft reset the z and retry it |
| 20:06:42 | surge | iang: yeh its probably to stop idiots like me from screwing up their zauruses |
| 20:06:45 | Cloudchaser | or restart z |
| 20:06:51 | crackotter | Cloudchaser: I didn't see any config file for the QTDesktop and the ./etc directory only has a config for mime types |
| 20:07:10 | Cloudchaser | in the gui under i thinkg file/settings |
| 20:07:20 | Cloudchaser | qtopia desktop gui that is |
| 20:07:40 | Cloudchaser | its probly at default and i think that's usb |
| 20:08:05 | Cloudchaser | if not, well, sir, I'm going to have to refer you to level 2 support :) |
| 20:08:21 | crackotter | Cloudchaser: The GUI doesn't come up all the way.. just opens a big blank grey Windows and the in the background I can see it connecting and then disconnectiong :) hehe Thanx for the assist anyways Cloudchaser |
| 20:08:40 | Cloudchaser | sorry i couldn't help ;( |
| 20:09:11 | crackotter | hopefully I will figure it out.. |
| 20:09:24 | Cloudchaser | i'm using RH 7.2 |
| 20:09:28 | surge | whew, lights are on, thats a good sign. |
| 20:09:33 | Cloudchaser | dunno if that makes any difference |
| 20:09:45 | iang | surge: great. |
| 20:09:54 | crackotter | Whats you flavor of Xwin Cloudchaser? KDE or Gnome? |
| 20:09:55 | surge | iang: and i had to get my gf to press "d" :) |
| 20:10:04 | iang | :-) |
| 20:10:18 | Cloudchaser | Gnome |
| 20:10:21 | Cloudchaser | Ximian |
| 20:10:39 | iang | surge: well, even if you don't have a laptop or PCMCIA adapter, a gf always comes in handy! :-) |
| 20:10:59 | crackotter | Same Ximian Gnome .. hmmmm I will play around the directories a little bit then |
| 20:11:42 | Cloudchaser | yeah and maybe one of the more experienced guys in here could help you |
| 20:12:28 | crackotter | Yeah .. I will try occasionly.. Thanx for the help though. |
| 20:12:30 | Cloudchaser | oh wait |
| 20:12:38 | Cloudchaser | have you logged out and logged back in? |
| 20:12:49 | Cloudchaser | since you got it going? |
| 20:12:59 | surge | whooo! |
| 20:13:22 | surge | iang: THANKS!! |
| 20:13:35 | surge | and to others that helped: THANKS!!! |
| 20:13:38 | Cloudchaser | try that ....and restarting the z...then run qtopiadesktop as root again |
| 20:14:05 | Cloudchaser | then if that works try it not as root ;) |
| 20:14:28 | crackotter | Cloudchaser: Yeah got the USB up a week ago.. trying been trying out the QTYdesktop since then |
| 20:14:53 | ljp_work | just backup your data before you sync ;) |
| 20:15:02 | iang | another potential paperweight averted! |
| 20:15:11 | Cloudchaser | crackotter you've seen this: |
| 20:15:18 | Cloudchaser | http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/qtopia_desktop_howto.shtml |
| 20:15:33 | Cloudchaser | (sorry if i already asked you that) |
| 20:15:49 | crackotter | Cloudchaser: Yep.. |
| 20:16:13 | Sniper | signing off.. need to finish up some work ehre |
| 20:16:14 | Cloudchaser | hehe ok good luck.. i'm out of suggestians |
| 20:16:21 | Cloudchaser | bye sniper |
| 20:16:33 | Sniper | for all your americans - have a great 4th! |
| 20:16:58 | iang | And we non-Americans can't have a great 4th tomorrow anyway? :-) |
| 20:16:59 | Cloudchaser | you too! |
| 20:17:06 | ljp_work | its been quiet this year, since they arent selling forworks due to dought |
| 20:17:30 | crackotter | Cloudchaser: No problems.. I also made sure I have the correct Rom but no luck.. a 4th of July is from everyone.. explosives and beer... what more can you want?? |
| 20:18:17 | ljp_work | rum |
| 20:18:28 | ljp_work | beer's for wussies |
| 20:18:39 | ljp_work | :D |
| 20:19:26 | crackotter | ;) |
| 20:19:56 | iang | Anyone here use qcopilot? I'm wondering what needs to be done before I should call it 1.0. |
| 20:22:26 | ljp_work | qcopilot? |
| 20:22:45 | iang | ljp_work: http://www.cypherpunks.ca/zaurus/ |
| 20:22:54 | iang | it's a Palm emulator for the Z |
| 20:23:08 | ljp_work | ahhh |
| 20:23:27 | ljp_work | does that run slow? |
| 20:23:49 | iang | Not as slow as qpose did when I tried it (that's why I wrote it). |
| 20:23:58 | Titan818 | I'm a bit new to Linux, but how do you install something like BuzzMe on zaurus? (tar.gz) |
| 20:24:45 | ljp_work | titan: you'd have to make sure its an arm binary first |
| 20:24:52 | iang | ljp_work: even if you start it cold, it gets to the prefs screen in < 6 seconds. |
| 20:24:58 | iang | (just tried it) |
| 20:25:17 | ljp_work | titan: and that it doesn't use X |
| 20:25:39 | crackotter | Does anyone know any other Syncing software I can use for the Zaurus other than the QtDesktop<since I having such problems with it>? |
| 20:25:47 | jbwiv | the usb-over-ethernet how-to says to do the following: ifconfig usb0 192.168.129.200 netmask 255.255.255.255 up and route add -host 192.168.129.201 usb0 . why is the ip different in those two lines??? |
| 20:25:48 | Oriumpor | how slow is slow tho?... is it slower than a palm by itself is? |
| 20:26:10 | Titan818 | well, the person said he made it for Zaurus so I figured it should work |
| 20:26:17 | JasonNJ | crackotter: zesync is in beta for linux |
| 20:26:23 | JasonNJ | it syncs with evolution |
| 20:26:29 | iang | Oriumpor: it seems to be a little bit slower than a real Palm. Not too surprising, since it's emulating a completely different processor |
| 20:26:46 | Hellaenergy | JasonNJ: where do we get zsnyc? |
| 20:26:54 | NetAmp | Cool, the Dutch phone company wants to establisch roaming between GPRS and WiFi hotspots, I just don't wanna know what it's going to cost :P ;) |
| 20:26:58 | JasonNJ | it was announced on Zaurus-general |
| 20:27:01 | Oriumpor | iang: tru, but the processor it's emulating is 32mhz |
| 20:27:07 | surge | crackotter: what kind of problems? |
| 20:27:10 | jbwiv | shouldn't the 192.168.129.201 in the route command be 192.168.129.200? (same as the ifconfig)? |
| 20:27:10 | kergoth | zesync? cool |
| 20:27:12 | Hellaenergy | Gotta link? |
| 20:27:30 | NetAmp | s/sch/sh |
| 20:27:32 | JasonNJ | I think its on sourceforge and on ZSI |
| 20:27:36 | JasonNJ | the killefiz site |
| 20:27:41 | ljp_work | ya zesync.. but ya have to use evolution first |
| 20:27:44 | surge | jbwiv: one is one end of the connection, the other is the other end |
| 20:27:51 | iang | Oriumpor: yup. But you've got to imagine > 10 instructions get executed to emulate each instruction on the Palm. |
| 20:28:00 | Oriumpor | ack |
| 20:28:02 | nyargh | there's that |
| 20:28:06 | kergoth | ljp_work: i still look forward to kitchensync myself |
| 20:28:07 | nyargh | and the memory emulation issue |
| 20:28:09 | Hellaenergy | tcp/ip over USB? |
| 20:28:12 | nyargh | which is the bigger problem from what i've heard |
| 20:28:17 | crackotter | jbwiv: That part of the FAQ you are looking at is for using Nat to translate so you Z can hitr the internet.. you don't need to do it |
| 20:28:32 | surge | JasonNJ: if i get it right, he probable means kernel hangs/crashes during large transfers |
| 20:28:38 | JasonNJ | I'd like to see Korganizer/E sync to Korganizer |
| 20:28:41 | Oriumpor | emulate the 5 :P doesn't it only run at 16mhz? |
| 20:28:50 | ljp_work | zesync needs python |
| 20:28:57 | Oriumpor | and you can still play a wicked game of simcity |
| 20:28:57 | crackotter | surge: The stupid Qtdesktop Comes up part way but not akll the way.. I have a nice pretty Grey window and thats it :) |
| 20:28:59 | Hellaenergy | I need python |
| 20:29:00 | iang | Oriumpor: that's the one I *am* emulating. ;-) |
| 20:29:05 | Oriumpor | doh |
| 20:29:08 | Oriumpor | double doh |
| 20:29:42 | ljp_work | crackotter: thats means not all libraries are getting loaded probably |
| 20:29:47 | mark | JasonNJ: korg/e is gonna get a xml backend to write to standard qtopia format, then use kitchensync to sync with korganizer, but its a silly way of doing it :) |
| 20:29:49 | jbwiv | hmm...I'm getting a "Destination Host Unreachable" when trying to ping, but I have usb0 and the route to the host set up correctly. Could anyone provide pointers on what to look at? |
| 20:29:56 | iang | You can't play real-time games on the emulator, but you can certainly use your PIM and other apps |
| 20:30:06 | crackotter | I just want a rpm <ok I am lazy> |
| 20:30:07 | surge | crackotter: oh then you have a library problem i think. re-read the installation instructions carefully. i think i had a similar problem due to their unclear description of how to install it |
| 20:30:13 | Oriumpor | I hate the PIM : / |
| 20:30:54 | surge | am i the only one that has major kernel crashes during large transfers between linux <-> zaurus? |
| 20:30:55 | JasonNJ | mark: doesnt korg/e use the same data format as korganizer? |
| 20:30:56 | crackotter | ljp_work: I exported all the paths and I link -s all the library's you need for gnome.. |
| 20:31:11 | ljp_work | gnome? |
| 20:32:12 | jbwiv | crackotter: I just want to hit the zaurus and connect. I've done "ifconfig usb0 192.168.129.200 netmask 255.255.255.0 up" and "route add -host 192.168.129.201 usb0". the route and usb0 interface are both setup. But for some reason, I can't ping it (Dest. Host unreachable). I can do a usbview or look in /proc/bus/usb and see the zaurus there... |
| 20:32:35 | iang | Which address are you trying to ping? |
| 20:32:43 | Oriumpor | doesn't ifconfig -a usb0 192.168.129.200 work as well? |
| 20:33:12 | crackotter | jbwiv: do a "ifconfig -a" and see you can see it .. and you need to make sure that you Z is loading through USB first before you can add the IP and route |
| 20:33:19 | jbwiv | iang: trying to ping 192.168.129.201 |
| 20:33:46 | iang | Are you using usb0 or usbd0 ? |
| 20:33:58 | jbwiv | iang: i can ping 200 easily, because it's local. I'm using usb0 |
| 20:34:00 | crackotter | you need to use usbd0 I believe |
| 20:34:14 | jbwiv | ah...let me try. the how-to says usb0 |
| 20:34:30 | crackotter | nope I was wrong |
| 20:34:33 | iang | Have you installed the usbdnet module? |
| 20:34:35 | crackotter | sorry .. I use USB0 |
| 20:34:39 | jbwiv | nope...no such device. |
| 20:34:47 | iang | (There's more than one way to do it.) |
| 20:34:52 | jbwiv | iang: yup...it's loaded. I can do an lsmod and see it |
| 20:35:06 | jbwiv | let me try unplugging the zaurus and replugging and then bring the interface back up |
| 20:35:12 | iang | OK. In another window, as root, run "tcpdump -n -i usb0" |
| 20:35:47 | Oriumpor | if you've got it installed : P |
| 20:35:47 | crackotter | when you don't recomplie the loadable module do you still have to reconfigure the usb driver info?? maybe that is his problem |
| 20:36:41 | jbwiv | iang: weird...when I ran tcpdump and pinged it it just started working.... |
| 20:36:50 | iang | Magic! :-) |
| 20:37:01 | jbwiv | iang: I'll take that kind of magic anyday ;-) |
| 20:37:48 | Oriumpor | are wireless extensions enabled in the OZ kernel? |
| 20:37:51 | iang | Does anyone here do warwalking with their Z? How would you connect a GPS in a way that doesn't use the CF slot? |
| 20:37:51 | jbwiv | crackotter and iang: thanks guys! |
| 20:38:19 | crackotter | "warwalking"?? <sigh> I miss the good ol' days or "wardialing" :) |
| 20:38:27 | iang | will take credit for that kind of magic anyday ;-) ;-) |
| 20:38:32 | Oriumpor | iang: wireless network to ipaq in other pocket works |
| 20:38:50 | Oriumpor | iang it saves on batteries because I split the devices |
| 20:39:00 | iang | Oriumpor: I don't think so; the Z's wireless card will be in Monitor mode, so it can't transmit. |
| 20:39:03 | crackotter | It is weird my Z shows that the QtDesktop is trying to Sync with it.. bbut the Qtdesktop never finishes loading.. |
| 20:39:03 | Oriumpor | i get about 10 extra minutes out of em both : / |
| 20:39:18 | Oriumpor | iang: store em and cycle the nic to adhoc |
| 20:39:50 | iang | Oriumpor: nice. What software do you use for that? Is it automated? |
| 20:40:08 | Oriumpor | iang: just part of the "found new network" in the hopper |
| 20:40:26 | jbwiv | crackotter and iang: hmmm...now all of a sudden...Destination Unreachable again. Weird... |
| 20:40:51 | iang | The prism2_hopper in kismet? |
| 20:40:54 | Oriumpor | iang: I'm thinking of trying to put it directly into kismet, but I'm lazy |
| 20:41:45 | iang | kismet knows when it finds a new network, but the hopper doesn't, no? |
| 20:41:53 | Oriumpor | yeah I'm sorry |
| 20:42:07 | Oriumpor | I use the audio function |
| 20:42:28 | Oriumpor | kismet.conf |
| 20:42:30 | iang | Right. How you you get the hopper to stop hopping when you want to go adhoc? |
| 20:42:33 | Oriumpor | take a look |
| 20:42:40 | iang | Yeah, I |
| 20:42:46 | iang | 'm familiar with the audio stuff |
| 20:42:59 | jbwiv | crackotter and iang: and even stranger still...I unplugged the device, restarted the zaurus..plugged everything back in, and tried to bring up usb0...unknown interface: No such device! |
| 20:43:00 | Oriumpor | killall |
| 20:43:06 | Oriumpor | or no |
| 20:43:07 | Oriumpor | wait |
| 20:43:10 | Oriumpor | lemme go get my z |
| 20:43:23 | iang | Yeah, that's an OK way to do it. |
| 20:43:33 | crackotter | jbwiv: Are you using internal net somewhere else in your system <Vmware device or such> you couldbe getting a IP conflict .. and sometimes you have to hit the sync button a couple of times after you unplug it to get the Z recongized |
| 20:43:46 | crackotter | well I gotta go.. router crashed some where.. bye bye |
| 20:43:48 | iang | Now if only I had another device to hook up a GPS to. |
| 20:44:23 | Oriumpor | umonitor |
| 20:44:25 | Oriumpor | heh |
| 20:44:40 | jbwiv | crackotter...yes, I am using another net: 192.168.2.0...that might be a prob. I'll look at that. However, now I can't even get usb0 to be recognized by the kernel ;-( |
| 20:44:40 | iang | How do you hook up the GPS to the ipaq? serial? |
| 20:44:48 | Oriumpor | it's a PC card |
| 20:45:11 | iang | So the ipaq can do both GPS and 802.11 at the same time? |
| 20:45:12 | Oriumpor | I've heard there are CF ones, but I don't have the CF sleeve |
| 20:45:21 | Oriumpor | yeah 2 PC cards |
| 20:45:27 | iang | OK. |
| 20:45:36 | Oriumpor | you might as well just warwalk with the Ipaq |
| 20:45:39 | iang | wants a GPS unit that can be a USB *master* |
| 20:45:43 | Oriumpor | but I can't get it to work right |
| 20:46:05 | Oriumpor | and it won't work in low power mode |
| 20:46:34 | Oriumpor | is the serial port just a tru usb port? with a funky pinout? |
| 20:47:00 | iang | thinks the complications will push him to make some usable way to warwalk without a GPS, but still record location |
| 20:47:08 | darienm | iang: does qcopilot currently allow you to install PalmOS software into its emulation mode? |
| 20:47:10 | Oriumpor | chalk |
| 20:47:10 | Oriumpor | ! |
| 20:47:22 | Oriumpor | who needs gps : P |
| 20:47:35 | Oriumpor | or spraypaint |
| 20:47:38 | Oriumpor | :P |
| 20:48:01 | iang | darienm: that's the last thing I can think of before 1.0. Right now, you have to install the palmos software on your desktop with xcopilot, and copy the RAM file over to your Z. |
| 20:48:23 | darienm | iang: so it only works on linux desktops, in essence. |
| 20:49:12 | iang | darienm: for installing other palmos software, yes. 1.0 will let you load it on the Z somehow. I'm thinking command-line, since that's a pretty rare operation. |
| 20:49:30 | Oriumpor | iang sort of |
| 20:49:42 | darienm | iang: I've had amazing success with qpose, by the way. I got the ePocrates medical reference installed in there, and then backed up the session (state) file so I don't worry about losing the install. I can go from Zaurus to Palm application in about 25 seconds. Once there things happen near real-time. |
| 20:49:46 | Oriumpor | does the IR port work at least? |
| 20:50:19 | Oriumpor | darienm: isn't Qpose X only? |
| 20:50:30 | iang | darienm: have they fixed the RAM usage problems? When I tried it, qpose needed a swapfile to run. |
| 20:50:36 | iang | Oriumpor: no, that's xcopilot. |
| 20:50:37 | darienm | Oriumpor: Nope, it runs inside of QPE |
| 20:50:59 | Oriumpor | hmm |
| 20:51:03 | darienm | iang: qpose does run much better with a swapfile, but those are easy enough to enable/disable as needed. |
| 20:51:17 | iang | qcopilot's RAM usage is < 1MB, so I just leave it running in the background all the time. Instant switch to PalmOS. |
| 20:51:26 | Oriumpor | I've got a CD full of palm stuff I've yet to pull out since my V went to the dump |
| 20:52:01 | Oriumpor | if it's as good as it sounds |
| 20:52:05 | Oriumpor | that would be awesome |
| 20:52:50 | darienm | iang: I've been keeping my eye on the palm emulator availability, and am currently using qpose since I can load software and data files onto it. Soon as qcopilot has that feature (and maybe a prettier skin) I'll be re-evaluating. |
| 20:53:34 | iang | I'm not a skin person; someone else will need to supply the graphic. The code *is* skinnable, though. |
| 20:53:48 | darienm | iang: I'm a graphics person, perhaps I can help :) |
| 20:54:28 | iang | Give me a graphic with a 160x160 space for the LCD, and buttons for power, up, down, and the 4 apps. |
| 20:54:40 | iang | It can appear in the next version. :-) |
| 20:55:28 | Oriumpor | what ext would you want on that graphic? |
| 20:55:37 | Oriumpor | heh |
| 20:55:40 | treke | ok, who wants a fixed keypebble |
| 20:55:45 | Oriumpor | woot |
| 20:55:47 | Oriumpor | !!! |
| 20:55:50 | Oriumpor | I love you treke |
| 20:56:11 | darienm | ME ME ME ME |
| 20:56:14 | kergoth | treke: in cvs yet? heh |
| 20:56:16 | darienm | What was brooken? |
| 20:56:23 | Oriumpor | stupid defaults |
| 20:56:26 | treke | kergoth: : nope. :) |
| 20:56:35 | darienm | well, that wasn't broken -- it just wasn't there |
| 20:56:38 | treke | ah thats what I forogt to do :) |
| 20:56:45 | Oriumpor | oh crap |
| 20:56:50 | Oriumpor | it isn't fixed? : P |
| 20:56:55 | treke | darienm: It didnt save defaults |
| 20:57:10 | treke | Oriumpor: : I added a mru list for connections, and I modified it to save your options |
| 20:57:17 | Oriumpor | awesome |
| 20:57:17 | darienm | treke: that was a feature or a bug? (j/k) |
| 20:57:19 | treke | I forgot to change the defaults. 1 sec |
| 20:57:27 | extremis | so, the best way to get opie 0.9.1 (with aqua) is to install oz3.0b10 and then ipkg upgrade? |
| 20:57:27 | Oriumpor | does it start with 8 bit and no encoding? |
| 20:57:41 | treke | darienm: well since the code was there, but wrong, i'd call it a bug :) |
| 20:57:44 | kergoth | extremis: yes. |
| 20:57:50 | darienm | sounds like it will start whichever way you left it last... |
| 20:58:12 | Oriumpor | I hope so |
| 20:58:24 | Oriumpor | :P |
| 20:58:25 | kergoth | man, cvs sucks compared to bk |
| 20:58:26 | Oriumpor | heh |
| 20:58:28 | kergoth | this shit spoils ya |
| 20:58:33 | Oriumpor | bk? |
| 20:58:37 | kergoth | bitkeeper |
| 20:58:42 | Oriumpor | url? |
| 20:59:03 | | kergoth: no idea |
| 20:59:03 | kergoth | ibot: bitkeeper? |
| 20:59:16 | | OK, kergoth. |
| 20:59:16 | kergoth | ibot: bitkeeper is at http://www.bitkeeper.com/ |
| 20:59:24 | | okay, kergoth. |
| 20:59:24 | kergoth | ibot: bitkeeper is also at http://www.bitmover.com/ |
| 20:59:30 | | bitkeeper is at http://www.bitkeeper.com/ or at http://www.bitmover.com/ |
| 20:59:30 | Oriumpor | ibot: bitkeeper? |
| 20:59:34 | Oriumpor | woot |
| 20:59:35 | Oriumpor | hehe |
| 20:59:43 | | okay, kergoth. |
| 20:59:43 | kergoth | ibot: bitkeeper is also hosted trees at http://www.bkbits.net/ |
| 21:00:16 | | no idea, kergoth |
| 21:00:16 | kergoth | ibot: bk? |
| 21:00:20 | | OK, kergoth. |
| 21:00:20 | kergoth | ibot: bk is see bitkeeper |
| 21:01:28 | extremis | whats the best mem combo? 32/32 (opinion question) |
| 21:02:26 | Oriumpor | they're all good, depending on your available storage needs |
| 21:02:41 | extremis | Oriumpor: so you use all of them currently? |
| 21:02:48 | extremis | at the same time too |
| 21:02:49 | extremis | :) |
| 21:02:51 | Oriumpor | : P |
| 21:02:59 | extremis | pick one and tell me why you did |
| 21:03:38 | Oriumpor | I use 32/32 cause it seems like just enough, I rarely use the available storage but when moving things between cf's it helps a bit |
| 21:03:45 | kergoth | extremis: imho, 40-24 |
| 21:03:56 | kergoth | extremis: 24 is more than enough storage for me, and i prefer the extra ram |
| 21:04:38 | extremis | kergoth: have you had an oportunity to use it? |
| 21:04:40 | extremis | the extra ram? |
| 21:04:47 | kergoth | extremis: yes |
| 21:04:49 | extremis | when? |
| 21:04:55 | kergoth | extremis: but i tend to push whatever hardware i use fairly hard. heh |
| 21:04:58 | Oriumpor | cracking wep? : P |
| 21:04:58 | iang | Once I need an SD card, I'll certainly switch to 48-16 or something like that. |
| 21:05:21 | kergoth | extremis: 40-24 is enough to put all of opie in ram, and leave space in flash for non opie applications |
| 21:05:27 | kergoth | extremis: heh |
| 21:05:28 | iang | I've run out of RAM on the standard kernel (30-34) with only a couple of apps open. But one was opera. |
| 21:05:41 | Oriumpor | opera eats ram |
| 21:06:20 | Oriumpor | lynx is the only good browser : P |
| 21:06:37 | iang | Oriumpor: you mean "telnet host 80". |
| 21:07:00 | Oriumpor | that gets ugly |
| 21:07:03 | iang | :-) |
| 21:07:05 | extremis | so does the c+d upgrade work on the 5500? |
| 21:07:10 | iang | extremis: yes |
| 21:07:18 | Oriumpor | c+d? |
| 21:07:31 | extremis | just answered my own queston by experimentation |
| 21:07:45 | extremis | kergoth: do you recommend daily snapshots? |
| 21:08:09 | iang | extremis: do you recommend daily backups? :-) |
| 21:08:18 | extremis | :) |
| 21:08:52 | extremis | meaning when was the last time something major broke int he daily snapshots? |
| 21:09:02 | extremis | something which would require alot of intervention |
| 21:09:04 | kergoth | extremis: snapshots of what? |
| 21:09:10 | kergoth | extremis: you mean the feed? |
| 21:09:30 | extremis | yes |
| 21:09:36 | extremis | the bleeding edge feed |
| 21:09:38 | kergoth | extremis: stay up to date with it |
| 21:09:39 | extremis | btw, where is it? |
| 21:09:45 | kergoth | extremis: 99% of the updates are fixes. heh |
| 21:09:49 | | oz3 feed is at http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/feeds/3.0/ |
| 21:09:49 | kergoth | ibot: oz3 feed? |
| 21:09:50 | extremis | heh |
| 21:10:13 | Hellaenergy | is there a lsof for the Z? |
| 21:10:30 | extremis | where is the howto? |
| 21:10:35 | Oriumpor | kergoth: does the BK arm bin work on the Z? |
| 21:11:01 | kergoth | Oriumpor: dont know, i dont do development ON the Z :-) |
| 21:11:29 | kergoth | Oriumpor: dont see any reason why it wouldnt work though |
| 21:11:34 | Oriumpor | hmm |
| 21:11:45 | treke | Oriumpor: There, fixed default |
| 21:12:10 | Oriumpor | woot |
| 21:12:10 | Oriumpor | you rock |
| 21:12:16 | extremis | heh, my z is hung on bobotup |
| 21:12:21 | Oriumpor | o... shoot... lag |
| 21:12:25 | extremis | "Reconifguring all packages installed to root......" |
| 21:12:33 | Oriumpor | let it sit there |
| 21:12:36 | Oriumpor | it takes a while |
| 21:12:44 | extremis | ok, the .'s have stopped |
| 21:12:49 | Oriumpor | a while |
| 21:12:52 | extremis | right |
| 21:12:54 | extremis | sitting... |
| 21:12:55 | extremis | :) |
| 21:13:24 | surge | bye |
| 21:13:26 | Oriumpor | treke you gonna post it? |
| 21:13:29 | Oriumpor | or wait a while? |
| 21:13:44 | treke | Oriumpor: building it for arm and making ipks right now |
| 21:13:50 | Oriumpor | woot |
| 21:13:53 | Oriumpor | double woot |
| 21:14:22 | kergoth | extremis: that step only occurs when you full reset. note that full reset WILL NOT do what it does on a sharp rom.. full reset will only 1) wipe the mtdram filesystem and 2) reconfigure all installed packages |
| 21:14:45 | Oriumpor | i think he just OZ'd it |
| 21:14:48 | Oriumpor | for the first time |
| 21:15:27 | Oriumpor | hrm |
| 21:16:36 | extremis | neat, first task, find out why 802.11b is broke |
| 21:16:40 | extremis | :) |
| 21:18:16 | extremis | wlansetup doesn't seem to check for key length |
| 21:18:26 | extremis | so I don't know how it parses the key for alpha or hex |
| 21:18:34 | extremis | prefacing it with 0x doesn't work |
| 21:18:37 | extremis | it allows it |
| 21:18:42 | extremis | but of course association fails |
| 21:19:30 | Oriumpor | you using the socket? |
| 21:19:40 | treke | http://treke.net/downloads/opie-keypebble_0.9.1-20020703_arm.ipk |
| 21:19:42 | extremis | smc |
| 21:19:58 | Oriumpor | hmm |
| 21:20:02 | Oriumpor | awesome treke |
| 21:20:44 | Oriumpor | znooo |
| 21:20:44 | Oriumpor | oh crud |
| 21:20:52 | Oriumpor | why ... right when I need it do I lose my CF reader |
| 21:22:15 | extremis | What IPKGs should I download to upgrade my base system? |
| 21:22:25 | extremis | maybe wlan is fixed in snapshot |
| 21:22:39 | extremis | I guess initially I could get wlan-ng :) |
| 21:27:28 | extremis | damn, I don't know |
| 21:27:36 | extremis | what handles the smc driver? |
| 21:27:39 | extremis | is it part of the kernel? |
| 21:28:02 | extremis | probably part of kermel-modules |
| 21:29:47 | kergoth | extremis: you dont want wlan-ng |
| 21:29:51 | kergoth | extremis: OZ doesnt use wlan-ng |
| 21:30:24 | kergoth | extremis: the smc driver is included in the b10 rom |
| 21:30:45 | Oriumpor | treke you friggen rock |
| 21:30:49 | treke | hehe |
| 21:31:06 | treke | now I just need to get around to implementing things the way I really wanted to... bookmarks :) |
| 21:31:29 | Oriumpor | hell yeah, save the passwords too who cares |
| 21:31:30 | Oriumpor | lol |
| 21:31:36 | Oriumpor | make it easy as all hell |
| 21:33:17 | extremis | kergoth: ok, so, what diag tools do I have available to figure out why my card won't associate with this rom? |
| 21:33:48 | kergoth | extremis: did you use the wireless config app to set it up? |
| 21:34:01 | kergoth | extremis: wlansetup was broken.. i hope you upgrade it from the feed ;-) |
| 21:35:39 | extremis | doing that now |
| 21:36:04 | Mickey0 | extremis: to be on the safe side, first try your setup with the console tools ==> iwconfig |
| 21:36:23 | kergoth | man i love wireless-tools |
| 21:36:27 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:36:50 | ljp_work | I owuld too, if someone would send me some wireless hardware ;) |
| 21:36:59 | Mickey0 | ljp :)) |
| 21:37:12 | Oriumpor | :p |
| 21:37:23 | kergoth | bvi is nifty |
| 21:37:23 | Oriumpor | wireless-extensions gonna be in new OZ? |
| 21:37:30 | kergoth | Oriumpor: oz supports wireless extensions. |
| 21:37:35 | Oriumpor | current? |
| 21:37:43 | Mickey0 | they are already in the current OZ, albeit version 6 (pretty old) |
| 21:37:45 | kergoth | Oriumpor: latest as of the sharp kernel (2.4.6-rmk1-np2) |
| 21:37:56 | Oriumpor | hmm |
| 21:37:57 | kergoth | Oriumpor: be patient and oz will have a new kernel.. its what i'm working on atm |
| 21:38:06 | Oriumpor | I'm always patient |
| 21:38:15 | Oriumpor | :P |
| 21:38:23 | Mickey0 | nah, sorry... it's version 11. |
| 21:38:30 | Oriumpor | hmm |
| 21:38:32 | Oriumpor | not so bad |
| 21:38:37 | kergoth | I'll have a beta 10.2 version soon.. the release after that will have a new kernel and running opie as a non root user |
| 21:39:03 | ljp_work | kergoth: you got that patch from riker, then? |
| 21:39:14 | kergoth | ljp_work: for nonroot? |
| 21:39:25 | Oriumpor | that would rock |
| 21:39:27 | kergoth | ljp_work: its not a patch, its exactly what I was planning on implementing. |
| 21:39:36 | kergoth | ljp_work: he set it up for the vercel, apparently works well |
| 21:39:59 | ljp_work | hmm.. |
| 21:40:10 | ljp_work | wonders when a vercel will find me |
| 21:40:15 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:40:39 | ljp_work | I seem to be gravitating linux pda's lately |
| 21:41:41 | kergoth | that'll be what, your third? |
| 21:42:05 | NetAmp | *sigh* |
| 21:42:16 | extremis | ok, it says its up, now dhccd won't get an ip |
| 21:42:27 | extremis | checking... |
| 21:42:46 | extremis | so I upgraded from 1.0-3 to 1.0-3 |
| 21:42:47 | extremis | heh |
| 21:43:22 | kergoth | extremis: iwconfig wlan0; check the ESSID |
| 21:43:34 | ljp_work | yes, third.. |
| 21:43:55 | ljp_work | I will need another one so I dont tip over |
| 21:44:12 | benmeyer | http://developer.apple.com/techpubs/macosx/Essentials/SystemOverview/Umbrella/index.html |
| 21:44:30 | extremis | kergoth: its right, and the key is the same |
| 21:44:31 | ljp_work | I'm going to have to be sneaky about recording to jffs2 flash, tho |
| 21:44:32 | extremis | rather |
| 21:44:37 | extremis | the encryption key is right too |
| 21:44:45 | extremis | the indicator light on my z shows its asosciated |
| 21:44:49 | kergoth | extremis: is dhcpcd running in the background? |
| 21:44:58 | benmeyer | What do you guys think of implimenting a system similar to OSX's packaging system? |
| 21:45:07 | extremis | nope, so I ran dhcpcd eth0 and it ifconfig's the int down after failing dhcp |
| 21:45:31 | benmeyer | Sense we in essence control the desktop (the finder in this case) |
| 21:45:41 | kergoth | extremis: anything useful in dmesg? |
| 21:45:49 | kergoth | extremis: what model card is this? |
| 21:45:49 | extremis | just a sec, retrying... |
| 21:45:51 | Mickey0 | extremis: your interface name is right? is it eth0 or wlan0 ? |
| 21:45:52 | ljp_work | never used osx |
| 21:45:54 | extremis | waiting for it to time out |
| 21:45:58 | kergoth | Mickey0: its wlan0 |
| 21:46:04 | extremis | rather, I ran dhcpcd wlan0 |
| 21:46:05 | mark | benmeyer: what is osX's packaging system? |
| 21:46:14 | extremis | just a sec... |
| 21:46:16 | ljp_work | and what would be better about it? |
| 21:46:18 | benmeyer | Follow this link:http://developer.apple.com/techpubs/macosx/Essentials/SystemOverview/AppPackaging/index.html |
| 21:46:27 | benmeyer | In essance every app is just a directory |
| 21:46:38 | benmeyer | so installing, uninstalling etc is just moving a dir around |
| 21:46:39 | Oriumpor | q: is there any way to get the symbol wireless card to recognize a network if it doesn't enable broadcast ssid? |
| 21:46:45 | benmeyer | managing is very very easy |
| 21:47:02 | kergoth | benmeyer: i STILL dont like it due to compatibility issues. |
| 21:47:04 | kergoth | :-) |
| 21:47:11 | sjohnson | Oriumpor: Just leave the SSID blank. |
| 21:47:14 | ljp_work | what about overhead? extra size? memory requirements? |
| 21:47:16 | benmeyer | compatibility? |
| 21:47:17 | mark | how do shared libs work? |
| 21:47:30 | treke | benmeyer: with the existing zaurus |
| 21:47:40 | kergoth | benmeyer: yes, compatibility. currently Z apps work on familiar for example, OZ, teh current sharp roms.. |
| 21:47:45 | benmeyer | sharped libs still stay in /libs/ |
| 21:47:56 | benmeyer | but gui apps use the packaging system |
| 21:47:59 | extremis | I'm going to download tcpdump |
| 21:48:10 | extremis | see if my packets are leaving |
| 21:48:16 | extremis | the int shows packets in both rx and tx |
| 21:48:17 | ljp_work | I like ipkg cause its just a tarball |
| 21:48:24 | kergoth | extremis: dont forget libpcap0 .. |
| 21:48:30 | benmeyer | eh, I have found that at best 1/2 of the familiar ipks I have tried have worked |
| 21:48:34 | extremis | kergoth: ok |
| 21:48:43 | kergoth | benmeyer: thats due to postinst scripts that are distribution dependent. |
| 21:48:49 | benmeyer | ljp_work yes mac's would also just be a tarball |
| 21:48:57 | treke | benmeyer: But 90% of the Z ipks I try on familiar work |
| 21:49:05 | mark | wishes macOS ran on x86 |
| 21:49:31 | treke | most of familiar is X depenedant anyways |
| 21:49:43 | benmeyer | none the less moving to a directory based system would solve many problems and is a much more eligant solution then just tossing files everywhere |
| 21:49:50 | Oriumpor | famfam the voice synth right? |
| 21:50:00 | Oriumpor | or wait |
| 21:50:01 | Oriumpor | not that's festival |
| 21:50:01 | Oriumpor | don't listen to me |
| 21:50:03 | mark | what happened to mandrake's voice synth? |
| 21:50:13 | benmeyer | fastival could easily be made to work with it |
| 21:50:19 | extremis | what is the website for the opie snapshot ipks |
| 21:50:26 | extremis | like opie.wok... |
| 21:50:40 | Oriumpor | festival already has a low hz versions precompiled for the Z |
| 21:50:40 | Mickey0 | opie.wox.org for OZ and opie.info for ipaq |
| 21:50:44 | Oriumpor | (flite16k) |
| 21:51:09 | treke | benmeyer: It's a nice idea, but developers would need to build two types of packages if they want to support the existing Zaurus, which would be very inconvienient |
| 21:51:15 | Speedy2 | re |
| 21:51:17 | kergoth | Mickey0: the startup script works? ;-) |
| 21:51:17 | kergoth | hey Speedy2 |
| 21:51:23 | Mickey0 | kergoth: sure, thanks :) |
| 21:51:23 | Speedy2 | Hi kergoth! |
| 21:51:26 | benmeyer | treke: I am thinking the next Zaurus |
| 21:51:27 | mark | benmeyer: you still taking hardware requests for new z? |
| 21:51:41 | kergoth | Mickey0: np. saves me some work, trying to keep the feed up to date. hehe |
| 21:51:43 | Oriumpor | usb root port |
| 21:51:48 | Oriumpor | my request |
| 21:51:50 | benmeyer | sure it will go into the black hole called higherups |
| 21:51:58 | ljp_work | I'd like x-ray goggles on the next Z |
| 21:52:20 | mark | yeh, well, it'd be nice if hitting the screen didn't generate pops through the headphone out |
| 21:52:27 | benmeyer | a simple script could convert most current ipk files into a directory based system |
| 21:52:32 | benmeyer | and the Zaurus is _very_ young |
| 21:52:39 | Speedy2 | The good die young. |
| 21:52:40 | Oriumpor | the Z rocks |
| 21:52:42 | benmeyer | if anything like this is going to be done it should be done soon |
| 21:52:49 | kergoth | benmeyer: but your directory based packages would be useless on other qtopia pdas and on familiar on ipaq |
| 21:52:52 | Mickey0 | kergoth: yeah, your work is much more important because it's where the foundation lies - the kernel and the rest of the base system. Keeping a feed up to date also takes time but its more a routine thing :) |
| 21:53:07 | benmeyer | or at least at the next major milestone i.e. the move to qt3 when everyone has to re compile there apps anywaay |
| 21:53:13 | kergoth | Mickey0: i should get oz itself's feed being auto updated one of these days |
| 21:53:15 | benmeyer | and the old system will still work |
| 21:53:32 | treke | kergoth: Actually, it would probably work on the ipaq, as long as all of qtopia is done outside of ipkg |
| 21:53:36 | kergoth | Mickey0: right now its all manual. heh |
| 21:53:44 | treke | it would be a pain to mix the two though |
| 21:53:45 | kergoth | treke: ugh.. dont get me started |
| 21:53:55 | sjohnson | The Big problem with a diectory based install scheme is that most apps won't work out of the box. Converting them will entail a lot of work. |
| 21:53:58 | Speedy2 | We need to get newlib ported and cut-down size of distribution |
| 21:53:59 | kergoth | treke: thats like installing apps on my servers from tarballs. |
| 21:54:02 | Mickey0 | kergoth: yeah, automation should be a goal at some time. |
| 21:54:12 | benmeyer | sjohnson why is it a lot of work |
| 21:54:16 | benmeyer | everyone has said this |
| 21:54:18 | benmeyer | what work??? |
| 21:54:25 | benmeyer | you already have to make ipk's |
| 21:54:26 | NetAmp | mark: couldn't the pops be because of the driver? |
| 21:54:32 | benmeyer | why not just make a dir instead |
| 21:54:45 | Mickey0 | kergoth: but on the other hand, if we can get Opie 1.0 and OZ 3.0 out of the door, I hope things will move a bit more slowly than their now do |
| 21:54:47 | treke | its not instead, it in addition to |
| 21:54:52 | kergoth | benmeyer: so familiar folks would have to what? untar opie to use its package manager? |
| 21:54:58 | kergoth | ugh |
| 21:55:03 | treke | Unless you want to ignore the original Z |
| 21:55:09 | mark | NetAmp: it could be, b ut i've heard these kinda things are hardware probs... |
| 21:55:21 | NetAmp | hrm.. oh well |
| 21:55:29 | sjohnson | benmeyer: Mostly it's going to be PATH and LD_LIBRARY_PATH issues. And defailt package confiugre scripts expect the standard unix file layout. |
| 21:55:42 | benmeyer | Ipkg would sill be on the system so it could be used for low level stuff, but for gui apps the directory based system would be used |
| 21:55:55 | benmeyer | heck you could still have the directories _within_ an ipk |
| 21:56:03 | benmeyer | if we wanted for true compatibility |
| 21:56:15 | Oriumpor | oye |
| 21:56:17 | kergoth | benmeyer: thats what i'm saying. if you're going to do this, do it so that it retains compatibility. manage the files within the system's package manager |
| 21:56:18 | benmeyer | and the defaul layout will be there |
| 21:56:22 | NetAmp | What about holographic storage :P (see slashdot) ;-) |
| 21:56:37 | kergoth | benmeyer: I despise installing anytihng into any system I own if it isnt controlled by the package manager.. heh |
| 21:56:40 | sjohnson | benmeyer: True. But you have to content with what the software expects to see |
| 21:56:47 | benmeyer | LD_LIBRARY_PATH isn't an issue sense you have to start it anyway |
| 21:56:51 | benmeyer | the gui that is |
| 21:57:33 | benmeyer | ok, so ipk's will still be used, but rather then spewing files all over it will just install a directory |
| 21:57:44 | extremis | hrm, there isn't a documented upgrade path from oz3b10 to opie current |
| 21:57:54 | kergoth | benmeyer: so in that case, you arent designing a new system, you're changing structure. |
| 21:58:00 | kergoth | benmeyer: which is much prefered imho |
| 21:58:03 | extremis | and it recommends that one doesn't ipkg upgrade |
| 21:58:08 | Mickey0 | extremes: none neccessary. remove all opie, qpe, qte packages and install the new |
| 21:58:10 | kergoth | extremis: ipkg update; ipkg install opie-update; |
| 21:58:11 | benmeyer | yes |
| 21:58:12 | sjohnson | benmeyer: The issues are not insumountable, but each app will have to be reconfigurated to expect the directory structs and you have issues of relocation. |
| 21:58:25 | extremis | cool |
| 21:59:01 | benmeyer | yes it will be a bit of first time hit as you make it into app directories, but they will still work in the old way untill it is done |
| 21:59:02 | kergoth | benmeyer: so write up a proposal on a filesystem structure change, and how apps could comply :-) |
| 21:59:16 | benmeyer | and once they are .app they you can add many new features |
| 21:59:24 | benmeyer | kergoth: already started |
| 21:59:38 | treke | and how will you distribute them over a network? tar up the .app dir? |
| 21:59:40 | benmeyer | thus my reading of how apple does it for the last 4 hours |
| 21:59:41 | benmeyer | hehe |
| 21:59:45 | benmeyer | yup |
| 22:00:01 | extremis | hrm, dhcp is anoying me |
| 22:00:21 | extremis | tcpdump keeps dying with 'bus error' when I do a dhcp query |
| 22:00:22 | benmeyer | that is the best part, you could just tar the app dir and place it on the desktop of the pda. the icon would have a little zip around it and when clicked on it would be unzipped and run |
| 22:00:22 | extremis | :) |
| 22:00:24 | benmeyer | no install needed |
| 22:00:27 | sjohnson | benmeyer: IS that apple stuff avail on the web somewhere? I'm interested to know how Apple did it. |
| 22:00:38 | benmeyer | yes |
| 22:00:39 | benmeyer | http://developer.apple.com/techpubs/macosx/Essentials/SystemOverview/AppPackaging/index.html |
| 22:00:50 | treke | benmeyer: And would there be any effort to add support for this new format to the "classic" Z |
| 22:00:52 | benmeyer | I don't think we want to go as far as apple did |
| 22:01:04 | benmeyer | treke: yes through open zaurus |
| 22:01:45 | benmeyer | the major push would be when the move to 3.0 is made sense re-compiling etc would have to be done anyway |
| 22:08:22 | Oriumpor | whaaaa |
| 22:08:26 | Oriumpor | this is really friggen wierd |
| 22:08:29 | NetAmp | ? |
| 22:08:38 | NetAmp | dhcp? |
| 22:08:40 | Oriumpor | I just installed kismet ... there's a binary called kismet... and when I type kismet |
| 22:08:46 | NetAmp | ah.. |
| 22:08:47 | Oriumpor | it says no such file |
| 22:08:52 | Oriumpor | wtf? |
| 22:08:55 | NetAmp | ./kismet? |
| 22:09:01 | iang | kismet is a shell script. |
| 22:09:01 | kergoth | Oriumpor: what kismet package did you get? |
| 22:09:03 | Oriumpor | nope |
| 22:09:09 | Oriumpor | 2.2.2-1 |
| 22:09:18 | Oriumpor | iang |
| 22:09:19 | Oriumpor | yours |
| 22:09:35 | kergoth | Oriumpor: kismet from latest oz feed? |
| 22:09:50 | Oriumpor | it's from ian's site |
| 22:09:59 | kergoth | Oriumpor: kismet is a shell script that calls out bash by default. the oz feed's kismet calls out /bin/sh instead |
| 22:10:03 | iang | kismet-socket_2.2.2-1_arm.ipk ? |
| 22:10:14 | Oriumpor | tru? |
| 22:10:21 | Oriumpor | it's looking for bash? |
| 22:10:26 | iang | Yes. /bin/bash |
| 22:10:28 | kergoth | Oriumpor: vi `which kismet` |
| 22:11:18 | Oriumpor | it needs a better error : / |
| 22:11:21 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:11:27 | benmeyer | I have made the recomendation that when we [sharp] moves to Qt3 that we move to a app based system for the gui apps. I am also taking to Kent at trolltech on this. So there will probably be a lot more talk about it. |
| 22:11:31 | kergoth | Oriumpor: what rom are you on? and what wlan card? |
| 22:11:33 | iang | That's Unix for you. :-p |
| 22:11:47 | kergoth | yeh unix errors are never waht they seem to be |
| 22:11:52 | Oriumpor | i'm trying out my symbol |
| 22:12:09 | Oriumpor | on OZ 10.3 |
| 22:12:10 | iang | "Unix is *very* user-friendly; it's just extremely particular about who its friends are." |
| 22:12:13 | Oriumpor | or beta 3 or whatever |
| 22:12:13 | kergoth | ahh |
| 22:12:28 | kergoth | Oriumpor: change /bin/bash to /bin/sh in the script |
| 22:12:38 | Oriumpor | +yeah got that much : P |
| 22:12:39 | kergoth | Oriumpor: also, you may want to check out MSpin's kismet-qt ui |
| 22:12:42 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:12:50 | Oriumpor | i think I might just ln -s /bin/sh |
| 22:12:57 | iang | kergoth: it doesn't work with the symbol card. But I've sent him a patch. |
| 22:13:12 | kergoth | iang: ah, what needs to happen, out of curiousity? |
| 22:13:19 | kergoth | iang: i'll need to update the OZ package. |
| 22:13:50 | iang | kergoth: you need to use "iwpriv eth0 monitor 2 chan" to set the monitor mode channel |
| 22:14:09 | iang | MSpin said he'd put a new version out "RSN". :-) |
| 22:14:12 | kergoth | iang: ah... whats 'chan' for? |
| 22:14:20 | iang | kergoth: the channel number (1..11) |
| 22:14:28 | kergoth | ah... |
| 22:14:49 | iang | Oriumpor: any luck with kismet? |
| 22:14:57 | kergoth | iang: so the way you set the channel to monitor on is different in the socket driver than the hostap prism2 driver.. gotcha |
| 22:15:03 | Oriumpor | one sec |
| 22:15:06 | iang | Yes. |
| 22:15:10 | kergoth | iang: altered hopper scripts i assume? |
| 22:15:42 | iang | kismet_qt has the hopper stuff built into it; it doesn't use external hoppers. |
| 22:16:00 | kergoth | iang: i know, i mean for console |
| 22:16:23 | iang | Yes, you use orinoco_hopper. |
| 22:16:33 | kergoth | k |
| 22:16:46 | kergoth | where's the patch that adds the monitor private ioctl to the driver? |
| 22:16:48 | MSpin | iang: LOL BTW hte sf project got approved |
| 22:17:30 | iang | Cool! kismet_qt will be on sourceforge! |
| 22:17:35 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:17:37 | kergoth | nice |
| 22:17:42 | Oriumpor | it's being wierd |
| 22:17:45 | kergoth | I still need to get openzaurus.org some web space |
| 22:18:03 | ljp_work | heh talk to whardier |
| 22:18:07 | treke | what about sourceforge? |
| 22:18:08 | iang | kergoth: airsnort.shmoo.com |
| 22:18:28 | ljp_work | put it on the server that opie.us is on |
| 22:18:41 | iang | But you need an extra patch for the Symbol card, too. |
| 22:19:04 | iang | Check the wireless@lists.samba.org archives. |
| 22:19:05 | kergoth | iang: yep, but thats easy, since its based on orinoco. cool. |
| 22:19:08 | kergoth | iang: k |
| 22:19:10 | kergoth | iang: thanks |
| 22:19:50 | kergoth | iang: I'm wondering when the HostAP driver will get support for downloading firmware.. when that happens we'd likely have 2 drivers that can support the socket/symbol cards. heh |
| 22:19:51 | Oriumpor | sheesh |
| 22:19:59 | Oriumpor | I didn't realize how much effort this was the first time |
| 22:20:00 | Oriumpor | heh |
| 22:20:23 | Oriumpor | I thought OZ had all the libraries for kismet already |
| 22:20:24 | ljp_work | kergoth: whardier said he was wanting more opensource web sites on that server |
| 22:20:29 | iang | kergoth: the more the merrier. :-) |
| 22:20:34 | kergoth | Oriumpor: hmm? |
| 22:20:39 | kergoth | Oriumpor: ipkg install libpcap0 kismet; |
| 22:20:49 | kergoth | iang: agreed |
| 22:21:14 | iang | kergoth: the kismet in the OZ feed has pcap support compiled in? |
| 22:21:22 | iang | (The "standard" one doesn't.) |
| 22:21:29 | iang | (That's why I built mine.) |
| 22:21:36 | kergoth | iang: yes, it uses pcap |
| 22:21:36 | MSpin | WTF!?! cvs is launching vim locally to let me edit my changelog entry, then swaps vi on the cvs server (via ssh) |
| 22:21:57 | NetAmp | heh |
| 22:21:58 | kergoth | MSpin: 'swaps vi on the cvs server' <-? |
| 22:22:39 | ljp_work | use emacs.. its smarter |
| 22:22:52 | iang | ducks the religious war |
| 22:23:03 | kergoth | iang: http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/openzaurus/buildroot-oz/configs/kismet.mk?rev=1.10&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup |
| 22:23:06 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:23:11 | NetAmp | dives away also |
| 22:23:15 | Oriumpor | pico is king |
| 22:23:19 | Oriumpor | :P |
| 22:23:30 | kergoth | bah |
| 22:23:33 | kergoth | i loved pico |
| 22:23:34 | MSpin | kergoth: spawns |
| 22:23:35 | kergoth | then learned vi |
| 22:23:39 | kergoth | MSpin: odd |
| 22:23:45 | NetAmp | debug rocks :P |
| 22:23:47 | MSpin | it's something local... |
| 22:23:52 | NetAmp | or edlin |
| 22:24:05 | NetAmp | from the old dos days ;) |
| 22:24:12 | Oriumpor | copy con |
| 22:24:15 | Oriumpor | no mistakes |
| 22:24:15 | NetAmp | hah! |
| 22:24:16 | iang | kergoth: so you just need to incorporate orinoco_hopper |
| 22:24:19 | Oriumpor | :P |
| 22:24:19 | warmi | hi |
| 22:24:22 | NetAmp | Oriumpor: that's even better ;) |
| 22:24:23 | kergoth | iang: precisely |
| 22:24:54 | Oriumpor | i need to get all the packages installed bbiab |
| 22:25:04 | NetAmp | g'luck |
| 22:25:16 | NetAmp | I'm outta here.. |
| 22:25:22 | benmeyer | Anyone know how much space would be saved by combining gui applications like how busy box does? |
| 22:25:59 | ljp_work | someone needs to port DOS's edit |
| 22:26:12 | warmi | benmayer: a bit but not all that much ... most of the code is in qte and qtopia libs which are shared |
| 22:26:34 | benmeyer | just trying to figure out how to decrease app size |
| 22:26:44 | VanDerVek | write it in asm |
| 22:26:46 | benmeyer | heck I remember writing apps and thinking 4K was huge |
| 22:26:48 | ljp_work | get more memory |
| 22:27:17 | ljp_work | have the Z be the first 256mb ram |
| 22:27:29 | benmeyer | <cough>maybe<cough> |
| 22:27:36 | kergoth | hah |
| 22:27:41 | kergoth | MS style |
| 22:28:21 | treke | switch to gtk embedded :) |
| 22:28:24 | ljp_work | I think some of the standard linux commands could be done up busybox style |
| 22:28:45 | kergoth | ljp_work: ? like../ |
| 22:28:54 | kergoth | speaking of busybox, it has getty and login and su and shit now |
| 22:29:02 | kergoth | we may not need tinylogin anymore |
| 22:29:07 | ljp_work | heh ya..one big executable |
| 22:29:31 | kergoth | my dev box is so fucked up |
| 22:29:36 | treke | well opie does have a config file for that... :) |
| 22:29:40 | kergoth | this POS rh6.2 box.. |
| 22:29:46 | treke | that would be a big ass executable |
| 22:29:49 | kergoth | I wish they'd let me get down there an dupgrade it sooner |
| 22:29:58 | warmi | switching to gtk would actually increase size of the apps since , due to lack of features in gtk itself, apps would have to include tons of custom code for handling stuff that qt does already |
| 22:30:31 | benmeyer | and actually the qt lib that came with the rom is missing sevearl things it shouldn't havbe |
| 22:30:40 | treke | bah, warmi always has to go and drag reaility into it |
| 22:30:42 | benmeyer | such as the standard input and progress dialog |
| 22:31:04 | warmi | treke: somebody has to keep things sane around here |
| 22:31:06 | benmeyer | both of which I am pushing to get into the next product/rom/anything |
| 22:31:06 | warmi | heheh |
| 22:31:39 | ljp_work | well. progress dialog is easy to make, as long as there is a progress bare |
| 22:31:42 | warmi | benmeyer: I am still not sure .. does qte on Z have qt xml stuff compiled in ? |
| 22:31:54 | benmeyer | don't know havn't tried myself |
| 22:32:02 | treke | the qtopia sdk didnt have xml |
| 22:32:32 | warmi | I though someone said it does not but then another dude on zauruszone was claiming he is actually running his own qt xml based app on the zaurus |
| 22:32:53 | warmi | I will have to check this out |
| 22:32:56 | benmeyer | indeed |
| 22:33:02 | warmi | I know Qtopia does its own xml processing |
| 22:33:14 | warmi | which would suggest there is no xml module |
| 22:33:21 | mark | benmeyer: yeh, QInputDialog is a must, its such a pain not having it |
| 22:33:26 | ljp_work | ya.. there's not qt xml in there |
| 22:33:38 | warmi | mark: I have 10 lines of code that does this .. it is easy to create one :-) |
| 22:33:44 | ljp_work | hmmm... bbl |
| 22:33:45 | treke | and OPIE has no XML either, so It points to the Z not having it |
| 22:34:02 | mark | warmi: i'm lazy :), and its more working in porting stuff when we dont have it |
| 22:34:04 | kergoth | treke: opie has xml support, in libopie |
| 22:34:10 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:34:13 | benmeyer | I would like to write up a spec sheet for Opie 1.0 or whatever we want to call it then |
| 22:34:15 | warmi | yeah, I know .. this should have been compiled in |
| 22:34:21 | benmeyer | from the ground up |
| 22:34:36 | benmeyer | So we know exactly what needs to be done, worked on etc |
| 22:34:44 | warmi | people would tend to use it which would in turn resulted in better GUI experience |
| 22:34:49 | treke | haha. well not in QT :) |
| 22:35:16 | kergoth | benmeyer: email opie@handhelds.org regarding what you think should happen in 1.0. talking about it in here isnt going to help. heh |
| 22:35:17 | warmi | xml sucks for a db format anyway |
| 22:35:25 | BigBoss | exactly |
| 22:35:28 | BigBoss | use a small db |
| 22:35:34 | warmi | especially on pda where disk space is at premium |
| 22:35:41 | benmeyer | yah |
| 22:36:04 | warmi | not to mention parsing and reparsing every time you start up our app |
| 22:36:21 | warmi | BigBoss: when are you going to be done with zRecall ? |
| 22:36:23 | kergoth | goddamnit i fucked the rpm database on my dev box |
| 22:36:25 | kergoth | jeesus |
| 22:36:28 | warmi | or embedded recall ? |
| 22:36:42 | kergoth | shoots redhat |
| 22:36:45 | warmi | that's only rpm database .... |
| 22:37:00 | warmi | you can try to fix it |
| 22:37:10 | kergoth | i know |
| 22:37:13 | kergoth | still pisses me off |
| 22:37:13 | benmeyer | Well I am off for the rest of the week. |
| 22:37:18 | benmeyer | See you all later |
| 22:37:23 | warmi | there is rpm command ( and API call) for that but it won't do any miracles for you :-) |
| 22:37:32 | warmi | by benmeyer |
| 22:37:34 | kergoth | you know, i'm surprised they didnt test people on recovering form a fucked up rpm database during the RHCE testing |
| 22:37:38 | mark | kergoth: ever heard of debian? :) |
| 22:37:50 | kergoth | mark: its in the server room.. have to get approval to upgrade the box.. heh |
| 22:37:56 | kergoth | mark: even though i admin the fucking thing |
| 22:38:03 | kergoth | grumbles |
| 22:38:04 | warmi | mark: even heard of hell ? |
| 22:38:06 | warmi | :-) |
| 22:38:27 | mark | warmi: yeh, its Red Hat :) |
| 22:38:37 | kergoth | nono, hell is suse |
| 22:38:40 | warmi | nah .. it is called dselect |
| 22:38:43 | treke | no, hell is gentoo |
| 22:38:43 | warmi | or something like that |
| 22:38:49 | kergoth | i'll agree dselect sucks |
| 22:38:56 | kergoth | dpkg and apt dont though :-) |
| 22:39:31 | kergoth | i should install dpkg onto this redhat 6.2 box and convert it to debian |
| 22:39:34 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:39:40 | kergoth | ive never tried that |
| 22:39:52 | mark | kergoth: s/convert/upgrade |
| 22:39:57 | treke | kergoth: : its no fun |
| 22:39:57 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:39:59 | kergoth | yeh |
| 22:40:16 | kergoth | treke: not surprising. but i cant do jack on a screwed up dev box, so what else will i do with my time. hehe |
| 22:40:28 | treke | kergoth: : Good point :) |
| 22:40:36 | kergoth | i really need a good laptop for development |
| 22:40:45 | treke | Just make sure you have things working before rebooting :) |
| 22:40:47 | kergoth | wait no, i need money to buy a laptop first ;-) |
| 22:40:51 | kergoth | treke: hehe, yeh |
| 22:41:19 | kergoth | treke: but if i bring the box down, i bet they'd let me into the server room sooner |
| 22:41:24 | kergoth | treke: hehe. |
| 22:46:33 | mark | kergoth: heheh :) |
| 22:46:38 | Speedy2 | re |
| 22:46:40 | warmi | kergoth: you should go into software development instead of playing around with the server room |
| 22:46:45 | warmi | re |
| 22:46:46 | Speedy2 | Hello warmi |
| 22:47:20 | Speedy2 | kergoth: What is the desire to use a laptop for development? Would you realy need to take it around? |
| 22:48:33 | warmi | that's just an excuse to get a new piece of hardware |
| 22:48:41 | Speedy2 | heh |
| 22:48:45 | Speedy2 | Warmi: How have you been? |
| 22:48:51 | kergoth | Speedy2: well, no point in assembling another desktop, and yeah I'd like to take it around. outside at the very least. I think better and am in a better mood out of doors |
| 22:49:11 | Speedy2 | Bring the out doors to you! |
| 22:49:14 | kergoth | hah |
| 22:49:16 | Speedy2 | Pitch a tent and move your computer inside |
| 22:49:16 | BigBoss | warmi: tkcRekall is in beta right now, we expect to release it next week I believe unless something outrageous happens |
| 22:49:18 | warmi | I been reasonably ok |
| 22:49:26 | Speedy2 | BigBoss: Hello |
| 22:49:32 | warmi | BigBoss: does it have its own backend solution ? |
| 22:49:46 | warmi | like a file based database ? |
| 22:50:00 | warmi | I know it can connect to SQL servers etc |
| 22:50:20 | warmi | kergoth which state are you in ? |
| 22:50:25 | Speedy2 | Minnesota |
| 22:50:28 | mark | battery life puts me off a laptop |
| 22:50:41 | warmi | is it humid there during summer ? |
| 22:50:48 | Speedy2 | mark: Don't be so negative |
| 22:50:50 | warmi | I know it is one of the colder states |
| 22:50:59 | kergoth | warmi: minnesota |
| 22:51:10 | kergoth | warmi: so yes, very cold. i dunno wtf i'm doing here. hehe |
| 22:51:26 | warmi | how about summer .. is it humid like it is in Chicago ? |
| 22:51:30 | kergoth | warmi: the humidity is fairly high given the large number of lakes around |
| 22:51:45 | kergoth | i mean our license plates say 'the land of 10000 lakes' after all |
| 22:51:46 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:52:05 | warmi | fuck lakes ... I grew up in the land of lakes and here this illinois flatland is driving me nuts |
| 22:52:11 | Nasa | BigBoss: how is the movie app coming? |
| 22:52:13 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:52:19 | warmi | and no, Michigan lake doesn't count .. it sucks |
| 22:52:46 | warmi | hehe .. it was meant as fuck , lakes !!!! |
| 22:52:46 | mark | gah why can't i find anything about binomial expansion of non integer powers on the net :/ |
| 22:52:52 | warmi | not fuck lakes !! |
| 22:52:53 | warmi | :-) |
| 22:53:16 | kergoth | lol |
| 22:53:17 | warmi | kergoth do you go sailing or swimming ? |
| 22:53:21 | Speedy2 | mark: Binomial expansion? Hold on |
| 22:53:37 | Speedy2 | mark: What exactly are you trying to do? |
| 22:53:39 | kergoth | warmi: swimming yeah. not sailing or boating.. jet skiing, yes.. i'm actually not much into watersports |
| 22:53:49 | warmi | I love to swimm and playing in the water |
| 22:54:04 | mark | Speedy2: i've been told to research binomial expansions for non-integer powers. so stuff like (2x+3)^2.5 i'd presume |
| 22:54:04 | kergoth | i prefer rock climbing and hiking and that sort of thing myself |
| 22:54:18 | warmi | and here I have to go to some idiotic swimming polls with millions of kids screaming and kicking around .. it just sucks |
| 22:54:28 | kergoth | yes, that does suck |
| 22:54:35 | iang | mark: it's exactly the same as the regular binomial theorem. |
| 22:54:49 | iang | Only you need to sum an infinite number of terms. |
| 22:54:50 | warmi | kergoth : I like to watch people climb rocks .. that is as far as I want to go |
| 22:54:51 | warmi | heh |
| 22:55:19 | BigBoss | god, do private chats to me, I keep missing everything |
| 22:55:22 | BigBoss | Hi Speedy2 |
| 22:55:31 | toolafial | I enjoy rock climbing too |
| 22:55:34 | BigBoss | tkcMovie: just squashing one memory leak at the moment |
| 22:55:49 | kergoth | warmi: hehe |
| 22:55:49 | BigBoss | tkcRekall works with xBase, MySQL and PostgreSQL as local or remote databases |
| 22:56:03 | kergoth | warmi: its really really good exercise for the hands and forearms, among other things |
| 22:56:06 | BigBoss | Aethera version 0.9.9 is now available |
| 22:56:09 | kergoth | BigBoss: nice |
| 22:56:14 | warmi | BigBoss : does it come installed with any one of them .... at least on the ZAurus ? |
| 22:56:24 | mark | BigBoss: you porting that? :) |
| 22:56:33 | BigBoss | it comes with xBase |
| 22:56:39 | Speedy2 | mark: Why are you bothering with binomial for that |
| 22:56:39 | BigBoss | Mysql and Postgresql are both available |
| 22:56:42 | BigBoss | we ported xbase |
| 22:56:52 | Speedy2 | 2.5 = 5/2 |
| 22:57:01 | Speedy2 | So you first take the square root, then ^5th |
| 22:57:05 | warmi | kergoth: yeah I know .. so does swimming ... not as good perhaps but still, great sport |
| 22:57:15 | kergoth | warmi: swimming is good overall for the body |
| 22:57:25 | warmi | BigBoss : xbase is basically flat file db right ? no SQL interface ? |
| 22:57:40 | kergoth | I still need a good physical training app for the Z. never got around to finishing mine |
| 22:57:44 | mark | Speedy2: yes but what if you want to get it in terms of x? |
| 22:57:49 | warmi | I used to swimm 1-2 km when I was 20 or so |
| 22:58:02 | Speedy2 | mark: It is interms of X |
| 22:58:12 | warmi | these days I am lucky to get 20 meters before some kid jumps on my etc .. |
| 22:58:14 | Speedy2 | Square_Root(2x+3)^5th |
| 22:58:19 | kergoth | warmi: lol |
| 22:58:34 | kergoth | warmi: that sucks |
| 22:58:42 | mark | iang: i see. wh y an infinite series? |
| 22:58:54 | Speedy2 | huh? |
| 22:58:56 | warmi | kergoth: yeah .. Ilinois doesn't have many lakes |
| 22:59:07 | warmi | there even close friggin parks at 9 PM .. |
| 22:59:16 | warmi | how do fuck do you close forest for the night ? |
| 22:59:21 | Speedy2 | Illinois is empt |
| 22:59:22 | kergoth | hah |
| 22:59:27 | Speedy2 | Illinois is empty....except for corn fields |
| 22:59:41 | warmi | Speedy2 : yeah .. quite boring |
| 22:59:41 | kergoth | I like everything about minnesota but the winters |
| 22:59:42 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:59:51 | Speedy2 | Texas is also boring...not as much, but still so |
| 22:59:55 | warmi | kergoth : winters are ok .. coming from Poland I have no problem with them |
| 22:59:56 | warmi | hjehe |
| 23:00:00 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:00:15 | kergoth | the weather gets me down. i get depressed inthe winter |
| 23:00:17 | mark | Speedy2: for example, to solve an equasion (x+2)^6 = 0 you need binomial expansion i think |
| 23:00:37 | Speedy2 | mark: No. You could use a Newton method too |
| 23:00:54 | Speedy2 | mark: Can you be more specific on EXACTLY what you are trying to do? |
| 23:01:01 | warmi | back when I was 12 or so we had 2 elementary schools next to each other ... we used to have huge (100 people or so ) snowball fights during recess between the kids from these schols |
| 23:01:07 | warmi | great fun |
| 23:01:08 | Speedy2 | Honestly, you could use a Euler method to solve as well |
| 23:01:10 | mark | Speedy2: no, i'm not exactly trying to do anything :) |
| 23:01:14 | Speedy2 | bah |
| 23:01:26 | mark | Speedy2: its just something i need to know for school math |
| 23:01:44 | mark | :-) |
| 23:01:50 | BigBoss | warmi: we wrote an SQL wrapper to xbase. It is a isam style file (b-tree indexes), it is a nice lightweight solution that scales surprisingly large |
| 23:01:57 | Speedy2 | mark: I see. Well, in that case, consult whatever book your course is using |
| 23:02:01 | BigBoss | from Rekall your applications work exactly the same regadless of the DB back end |
| 23:02:04 | warmi | BigBoss: sounds like sqlite .. |
| 23:02:06 | warmi | hehe |
| 23:02:29 | warmi | BigBoss: yeah, it does look like Unix version of MS Access |
| 23:03:08 | mark | Speedy2: euler and newton give approximations no? |
| 23:03:18 | Speedy2 | mark: Euler is exact, Newton is approximation |
| 23:03:38 | Speedy2 | Of course, I just use "PROOT" on my HP48 to get the answer |
| 23:03:45 | mark | heh |
| 23:03:56 | warmi | BigBoss: any estimates as far as projected price for tkcRekall ( on the Zaurus ) ? |
| 23:04:26 | kergoth | im out |
| 23:04:40 | BigBoss | xbase is probably pretty similar to sqlite |
| 23:04:47 | BigBoss | we are looking at $49.95 for tkcRekall |
| 23:04:57 | warmi | yeah, it is similar |
| 23:05:05 | warmi | does it support transactions ? |
| 23:05:11 | Speedy2 | BigBoss: Art thou prices insane? |
| 23:05:47 | warmi | Speedy2 : that is actually reasonable price for what essentialy is database construction set :-) |
| 23:05:56 | Speedy2 | I'm just being silly |
| 23:06:00 | BigBoss | Speedy2: do you think it's high or low? |
| 23:06:01 | warmi | I know |
| 23:06:18 | Speedy2 | BigBoss: I have no clue, warmi things it's reasonable. I was just asking in Amish Paradise style |
| 23:06:20 | BigBoss | the desktop version costs more, but is the same thing, you can develop or deploy in either place |
| 23:07:24 | warmi | yeah, it is actually more usefull for business like enviroment |
| 23:07:51 | warmi | however I am sure many people will be more than happy to create their own customized version of AddressBook of their dreams or soemthing like that |
| 23:08:07 | warmi | if they figure out how to do it, that is . |
| 23:08:26 | BigBoss | how's this for cool |
| 23:08:54 | BigBoss | in the new version of AEthera we just release, in the contact list you can just click on a link (if you have an address for them) and it will go online and pull up a map of their location |
| 23:10:05 | warmi | yeah, that's cool |
| 23:10:09 | warmi | mapquest ? |
| 23:10:54 | warmi | mark: what are you working on now ? |
| 23:11:08 | warmi | polishing up Knights or perhaps something new ? |
| 23:11:59 | Nasa | btw: were can one dowload the latest knights version? |
| 23:12:22 | warmi | there are two options .. |
| 23:12:27 | BigBoss | I have a cracked version of knights, does anyone want it? |
| 23:12:28 | BigBoss | :) |
| 23:12:33 | warmi | either you get the source code and compuled it yourself |
| 23:12:39 | warmi | or you go and buy binary |
| 23:12:54 | Nasa | hmm. I already bought an earlier version. |
| 23:13:01 | warmi | BigBoss : ehehehe ... you want a cracked version of tkcEditor for it ? |
| 23:13:02 | warmi | hehe |
| 23:13:16 | warmi | Nasa: you should have an access code from handango |
| 23:13:39 | warmi | you can use it to download the latest version from handango |
| 23:14:04 | Nasa | ok |
| 23:14:09 | warmi | Nasa which version do you have ? |
| 23:14:20 | warmi | does it use Phalanx or Gnuchess ? |
| 23:14:21 | Nasa | the first one |
| 23:14:26 | Nasa | gnuchess |
| 23:14:50 | warmi | yeah, go to handango and download it again |
| 23:15:19 | warmi | latest version is Version: 1.11 |
| 23:17:01 | warmi | BigBoss: do you know if it is possible develop for the Zaurus ( Qtopia ) with KDE Studio Gold ? |
| 23:17:42 | warmi | btw .. BB I read your article about problems trying to develop for such fast moving targets like KDE etc .. |
| 23:17:44 | warmi | good one |
| 23:18:32 | BigBoss | warmi: thanks |
| 23:18:43 | BigBoss | you can use KSG, but it doesn't have any of the qmake stuff in it |
| 23:19:02 | BigBoss | sure, KDevelop added some simple switches to invoke a cross compiler, but it doesn't address the actual difficult issues |
| 23:19:49 | BigBoss | warmi: what I'd like to see is KDE make an "official" package of KDE that put everything in one place using a single compiler, etc., that way a vendor could build to the specification and the distro's would have to use it or no one would write for their distro |
| 23:20:15 | Speedy2 | Re-mixes by crappy artists should be illegal |
| 23:20:23 | Speedy2 | re-mixes / re-dos |
| 23:20:33 | warmi | but you what the problem is with that .... this single compiler KDE package will not work on distros that used different compilers, libs etc .. |
| 23:20:33 | toolafial | Speedy2: I agree |
| 23:20:34 | Speedy2 | I guess that would put Will Smith on Death Row |
| 23:20:49 | warmi | basically the problem is not so much with KDE but the distros itself |
| 23:21:20 | warmi | unless you are talking about creating just a "reference" KDE package .. |
| 23:21:27 | BigBoss | it's a nightmare overall |
| 23:21:30 | Speedy2 | Hi Cloud |
| 23:21:39 | warmi | hello Cloudchaser |
| 23:21:42 | BigBoss | any reason you can't have multiple versions of a compiler though? |
| 23:21:56 | BigBoss | why can't you have KDE for gcc 3.0 and then you build to that reference platform |
| 23:22:20 | ljp_studio | warmi: I've used kde studio gold for some development fo rhte Z.. you can edit, and use the commandline, but I dont use automake, and I wish it used .pro files |
| 23:22:36 | warmi | not really .. but on the other hand there is no love lost between KDE and RH so you always going to end up with differences etc .. |
| 23:22:48 | ljp_studio | but it does have qt keywords highlighted ! |
| 23:22:56 | warmi | you never know what RH will do with their internal KDE RPMs .. |
| 23:22:57 | BigBoss | not to mention docbrowser :) |
| 23:23:17 | BigBoss | I don't get to code or build anymore, so I don't really have a firm grip on why this is such a pain in the ass |
| 23:23:22 | BigBoss | it works right on mainframes |
| 23:23:29 | toolafial | what about UnitedLinux? base kde libs will be a part of it |
| 23:23:35 | BigBoss | basically make yourself a self-contained KDE universe, and that is how we do it in there |
| 23:23:39 | Cloudchaser | hiya everyone :) |
| 23:23:44 | BigBoss | UL isn't focusing on the desktop, so the same problem will persist |
| 23:23:44 | ljp_studio | hi |
| 23:23:45 | BigBoss | hey CC |
| 23:23:50 | warmi | ljp_studio : I use VisualSlick Edit for linux .. it basically has a cmd menu option where I hook up tmake etc ... |
| 23:23:56 | BigBoss | and Mandrakes little monologue just proves they don't get it |
| 23:24:04 | Speedy2 | Linux... |
| 23:24:10 | warmi | BigBoss: yep . exactly |
| 23:24:12 | BigBoss | the way a distro work is that they have a new version, say 9, and they build everything for 9 |
| 23:24:15 | warmi | they are trying to be another RH |
| 23:24:24 | BigBoss | they don't try to build it for 8 or 7 or for a competitor, so to them, everything is fine |
| 23:24:55 | ljp_studio | but Mandrake is french, and you know how the French are.. ;) |
| 23:25:05 | Speedy2 | lol |
| 23:25:06 | BigBoss | our build system has mandrake 8.0, 8.1, 8.2 - redhat 7.1, 7.2, 7.3 - suse 7.2, 7.3, 8.0 and that just to name 3 distros, we have more |
| 23:25:13 | warmi | this is precisely why MS will always have an advantage here ... there control everything and can guarantee resonable stable user end platform for the developers |
| 23:25:29 | BigBoss | we just release a new version of QuantaGold yesterday for example |
| 23:25:41 | BigBoss | it works great everywhere but Mandrake 8.2 because of some fucked up gcc they used |
| 23:25:54 | BigBoss | it's a static qt application - why should that matter? it should just run |
| 23:25:54 | ljp_studio | yep.. damn thing |
| 23:26:01 | warmi | ljp_studio: especially considering that UnitedLinux is promoted in part by Suse which is German company hehe |
| 23:26:11 | BigBoss | and then KDE3 version of Qt broke all our stuff - it shouldn't have, but it does |
| 23:26:13 | ljp_studio | thats true, also |
| 23:26:32 | ljp_studio | kde3 also broke qtopiadesktop |
| 23:26:40 | warmi | BigBoss: if you really want to hav 100% working app then you just gonna have to do completely static link .. even for glibc |
| 23:26:41 | warmi | hehe |
| 23:26:52 | BigBoss | 200mb applications |
| 23:26:55 | warmi | which is stupid |
| 23:26:56 | warmi | yeah |
| 23:27:07 | BigBoss | you shouldn't have to - it's insane |
| 23:27:16 | BigBoss | redhat is going to do what they want because they have critical mass |
| 23:27:25 | BigBoss | mandrake is just going to copy them so they don't have to do anything different |
| 23:27:42 | warmi | frankly, it is sad since they are hurting themselves with this stupid crap ... this is UNIX world 80s-90s all over again |
| 23:27:45 | BigBoss | UL is going to try to do something that may or may not work (probably won't) because RH is the 800lbs gorilla |
| 23:27:56 | BigBoss | exactly right |
| 23:28:04 | BigBoss | which is where posix came from, then linux from posix |
| 23:28:08 | Speedy2 | Red Crap sux |
| 23:28:13 | warmi | haha |
| 23:28:20 | BigBoss | but if I can't make an x86 build and have it work across all linux distros, then they are fucked up |
| 23:28:41 | warmi | sure , especially for GUI based apps |
| 23:28:42 | BigBoss | although I wonder how star office is doing it |
| 23:28:43 | Speedy2 | When has Linux EVER been about compatability? It's always been about everyone doing their own f'ing thing |
| 23:28:57 | warmi | or commercial ones where there is no source code available |
| 23:29:03 | BigBoss | which is why people standardize on one distro, like redhat |
| 23:29:11 | treke | BigBoss: Hopefully once the C++ abi stabilizes, support wont be such a pain |
| 23:29:14 | warmi | Speedy2 : but they are trying to compete with MS |
| 23:29:16 | Speedy2 | RedCrap sux though...all it's installs leave things in a broken state |
| 23:29:21 | Speedy2 | warmi: They're failing because they suck |
| 23:29:22 | tux_mike | speedy: and having 50 different libs to do the same thing |
| 23:29:25 | Speedy2 | Yeah |
| 23:29:44 | warmi | treke: they will find something else ... Linux is a goldmine for customization :-) |
| 23:29:46 | Speedy2 | And 50000 programs that you have no clue what they do, and if you don't install, you break everything, but the installer won't tell you that you will break everything |
| 23:30:17 | Cloudchaser | speedy2 what breaks with red hat? |
| 23:30:21 | Speedy2 | FreeBSD is the free UNIX we should standardize on |
| 23:30:24 | Speedy2 | Cloud: The OS |
| 23:30:27 | warmi | let'as just all go back to Windows 2000 and be happy again . |
| 23:30:34 | toolafial | oh boy here comes the FreeBSD ... |
| 23:30:34 | warmi | uh .. did I go too far this time ? |
| 23:30:35 | Cloudchaser | how does it break? |
| 23:30:44 | tux_mike | hasnt had any problems with the RH installer |
| 23:30:46 | Speedy2 | I've had enough things broken in the install... |
| 23:30:48 | Cloudchaser | me either |
| 23:30:50 | MSpin | has been quite happy with gentoo |
| 23:30:56 | tux_mike | better than mandrake |
| 23:31:00 | Speedy2 | i.e. you install on laptop, it tries to bring up Network before it brings up PCMCIA NIC |
| 23:31:07 | Speedy2 | So networking fails...that's just one example |
| 23:31:13 | warmi | let's just standarize on Zaurus |
| 23:31:17 | Speedy2 | lol |
| 23:31:24 | Cloudchaser | i just disabled that |
| 23:31:28 | Cloudchaser | on my laptop |
| 23:31:32 | Speedy2 | ?? |
| 23:31:46 | Cloudchaser | i have a wireless card |
| 23:31:46 | ljp_studio | ya.. lets standardize on enbedix linux! |
| 23:31:47 | tux_mike | speedy: but the pcmcia service brings up the if on it's own |
| 23:31:51 | treke | Speedy2: Networking has always come up on my laptop, It starts once pcmcia starts |
| 23:32:05 | Cloudchaser | and i have internal nic |
| 23:32:09 | Speedy2 | tux_mike: I've had issues where PCMCIA service comes *AFTER* Networking, so things fail |
| 23:32:20 | Cloudchaser | the internal one was aleays trying to come up so i shut it off :) |
| 23:32:30 | treke | Speedy2: PCMCIA has always come after networking |
| 23:32:32 | Speedy2 | cloud: built-in NIC isn't same as PCMCIA |
| 23:32:35 | Cloudchaser | otherwise i haven't had any trouble |
| 23:32:39 | Cloudchaser | the wireless is pcmcia |
| 23:32:44 | Speedy2 | treke: I've specifically had to deal with this issue many times. |
| 23:32:45 | Cloudchaser | worked right out of the box |
| 23:32:49 | Speedy2 | *It should* come up after |
| 23:33:00 | Cloudchaser | anyway |
| 23:33:04 | Speedy2 | And on this P120 w/16MEG RAM, newer installers won't work |
| 23:33:07 | Speedy2 | (Laptop) |
| 23:33:13 | tux_mike | speedy: but if i made the init scripts, i'd do two things. one background certian processes to speed up bootup, and two make sure there are no special-case situations like pcmcia nics |
| 23:33:16 | Cloudchaser | 6 people will most likely never agree on same distro |
| 23:33:23 | treke | Right, you need 32mb minimum to install |
| 23:33:23 | Cloudchaser | but we all have a choice :) |
| 23:33:24 | Speedy2 | cloud: FreeBSD. |
| 23:33:30 | Speedy2 | treke: What kind of stupid crap is that? |
| 23:33:45 | Speedy2 | treke: I can even install Win95 w/16MEG RAM...we all know what a POS that is |
| 23:33:52 | Cloudchaser | Speedy2: do i detect a bit of hostility there? :) |
| 23:34:04 | treke | Speedy2: Whats wrong with it. The installer needs more memory to run. You cant install Windows 2000 with 16mb ram |
| 23:34:06 | Speedy2 | Cloud: I'm pretty fed up with Linux crap, so... |
| 23:34:21 | Cloudchaser | i'm sorry |
| 23:34:25 | Speedy2 | treke: Comparing Win2000 and Linux is not right...Win2000 is an f'ing hog |
| 23:34:40 | Speedy2 | treke: Aren't we running Linux on the Z??? |
| 23:34:51 | Cloudchaser | there's linux distros that will run with 16 mb ram |
| 23:34:52 | treke | Speedy2: So? You arent running redhat on the Z |
| 23:34:56 | Speedy2 | It SHOULD work on resource contrained setups |
| 23:35:03 | Speedy2 | treke: I guess if we tried, the Z would explode :) |
| 23:35:10 | treke | hehe |
| 23:35:13 | tux_mike | Sugar quote wcome |
| 23:35:14 | Sugar | tux_mike: WCOME @ 6:54pm: 0.24 (+0.14 +140.00%) Bid: +0.02 Ask: +9.09% |
| 23:35:14 | Cloudchaser | but all the features that make RedHat what it is require mor |
| 23:35:23 | Speedy2 | That or disown itself for defecting |
| 23:35:36 | Cloudchaser | take away some of that and it wouldn't be red hat but something else that might work with that little ram |
| 23:35:38 | Speedy2 | Cloud: We're talking the installer here, not the OS |
| 23:36:01 | Cloudchaser | oh |
| 23:36:17 | Speedy2 | That's not to mention RH having their own messed up version of executables |
| 23:36:22 | Speedy2 | like Mandrake |
| 23:36:32 | Speedy2 | They're own messed up kernel... |
| 23:36:34 | Speedy2 | their |
| 23:36:37 | Cloudchaser | fades out of this argument :) |
| 23:36:45 | treke | Speedy2 is just angry :) |
| 23:36:57 | treke | Every distribution does that. Linux is not FreeBSD |
| 23:37:02 | Speedy2 | treke: I think dealing with all this crap is wrong...i |
| 23:37:13 | treke | Speedy2: Then dont. |
| 23:37:15 | Cloudchaser | i must have missed something... |
| 23:37:17 | Speedy2 | treke: FreeBSD is standardized |
| 23:37:22 | treke | Speedy2: So go use freebsd |
| 23:37:23 | Speedy2 | One people control it...no messed up crap |
| 23:37:36 | Speedy2 | treke: Unfortunetly, there are only somethings supported under Linux... |
| 23:37:38 | Speedy2 | (hardware) |
| 23:37:41 | treke | Speedy2: And if you dont like the way freebsd does things, you up shit creek |
| 23:37:51 | Speedy2 | treke: Says who? You gots the source, and you can change as you like |
| 23:38:01 | Cloudchaser | right! exactly! |
| 23:38:08 | Cloudchaser | Can do the same with red hat, no? |
| 23:38:10 | Speedy2 | haha |
| 23:38:16 | Speedy2 | *You CAN* change |
| 23:38:26 | Speedy2 | That doesn't mean anyone will have the patience or time |
| 23:38:32 | Cloudchaser | ah.. |
| 23:38:38 | Speedy2 | I'm saying that it's not closed off |
| 23:38:48 | Speedy2 | But in terms of shipping quality, it's orders of magnitude better than RH, Mandrake, etc. |
| 23:38:55 | Cloudchaser | so for us lazy people or us stupid people...RH works great! |
| 23:39:05 | Speedy2 | stops |
| 23:39:08 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
| 23:39:20 | Cloudchaser | sorry .. |
| 23:39:24 | Speedy2 | warmi: Did you figure out how to sync. draws ? |
| 23:40:04 | warmi | no .. I haven't even tried .. I was busy working with sqlite and NFDB |
| 23:43:02 | warmi | Speedy2 : do you code at all or just hardware stuff ? |
| 23:44:08 | Speedy2 | warmi: Oh I code. |
| 23:44:44 | warmi | any plans for coding something for the Zaurus ? |
| 23:45:04 | Speedy2 | If I got one |
| 23:45:11 | Speedy2 | I want to write a new bootloader |
| 23:45:16 | Speedy2 | Among other things |
| 23:45:22 | Speedy2 | But one needs a Z to do things |
| 23:45:34 | warmi | why bootloader ? |
| 23:45:41 | warmi | is there anything wrong with the current one ? |
| 23:46:01 | Speedy2 | Hell yes |
| 23:46:06 | Speedy2 | The POS takes up 512KB |
| 23:46:11 | warmi | Speedy2 : should have entered trolls contest ... they were giving away Zs |
| 23:46:14 | Speedy2 | And the flashing procedure is STUPID |
| 23:46:19 | warmi | POS ?? |
| 23:46:22 | Speedy2 | warmi: I don't do too many application level things |
| 23:46:24 | Speedy2 | Piece of Shit |
| 23:46:33 | Speedy2 | It's using Angelboot which is mondo crap |
| 23:46:40 | warmi | heeh |
| 23:47:00 | Speedy2 | Flashing the Z is bizarre, and you have to do it from a CF card |
| 23:47:02 | Speedy2 | That's plain stupid |
| 23:47:10 | Cloudchaser | not with the 2.37 |
| 23:47:15 | Speedy2 | Oh? |
| 23:47:20 | Speedy2 | But that's only for the 5500 |
| 23:47:20 | Cloudchaser | nope ;) |
| 23:47:27 | Speedy2 | Cause 5500 has 64MB RAM |
| 23:48:06 | Speedy2 | There's still no status, nothing displayed to screen |
| 23:48:07 | Cloudchaser | i think you need 17 mb free in ram |
| 23:48:11 | Speedy2 | You can't boot images from RAM or off serial |
| 23:48:22 | Speedy2 | Besides, I'm trying to port another OS to the Z |
| 23:48:31 | Speedy2 | So I don't want to deal with Mr. El Crapo |
| 23:48:40 | kergoth | goddamnit |
| 23:48:42 | Speedy2 | re |
| 23:48:46 | kergoth | i cant fcking login to my dev box anymore |
| 23:48:53 | Speedy2 | hax0r it? |
| 23:49:04 | kergoth | it wont authenticate due to a failed attempted upgrade of pam from the rh6.2 ver to the rh7.0 ver |
| 23:49:06 | kergoth | grumbles |
| 23:49:07 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:49:11 | Speedy2 | hahah |
| 23:49:15 | kergoth | oi |
| 23:49:18 | Speedy2 | We were just discussing how shitty RH is |
| 23:49:23 | Speedy2 | Or I was. |
| 23:49:25 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:49:34 | Speedy2 | As usual, 1 vs. 90 |
| 23:49:38 | kergoth | the worst part is.. |
| 23:49:44 | kergoth | my bitkeeper tree is there |
| 23:49:47 | kergoth | and nowhere else |
| 23:49:52 | kergoth | because i stupidly didnt back it up anywhere |
| 23:49:53 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:50:01 | Speedy2 | Well, just grab the HDD and mount it in another machine |
| 23:50:08 | kergoth | its at work, in the server room |
| 23:50:09 | Speedy2 | Unless you're using an encrypted FS |
| 23:50:09 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:50:13 | Speedy2 | doheth! |
| 23:50:17 | Speedy2 | FTP won't work? |
| 23:50:24 | kergoth | hmm good question' |
| 23:50:30 | kergoth | probably not, since its pam thats likely fucked |
| 23:50:37 | kergoth | better check though |
| 23:50:40 | Speedy2 | Only secure FTP access? |
| 23:50:42 | Speedy2 | (SCP ? |
| 23:50:42 | Speedy2 | ) |
| 23:50:50 | kergoth | well ssh cant auth, i checked |
| 23:50:59 | Speedy2 | Yeah, I meant, do you have plain old FTP? |
| 23:51:02 | Speedy2 | On port 21 |
| 23:51:07 | kergoth | hah, yes ftp works |
| 23:51:08 | kergoth | nice |
| 23:51:09 | Speedy2 | :) |
| 23:51:12 | kergoth | grabs his tree |
| 23:51:22 | Speedy2 | See, all my years of l33t hax0ring paid off |
| 23:51:25 | kergoth | i hope this ftp server can tar it for my ass |
| 23:52:16 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Can you FTP a new version of SSH back in? |
| 23:52:22 | Speedy2 | hrm...need to bring it down and up |
| 23:52:37 | kergoth | plus i doubt root can ssh in, and my primary user doesnt have the rights |
| 23:52:42 | kergoth | er |
| 23:52:45 | kergoth | s/ssh/ftp/ |
| 23:52:45 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:52:49 | Speedy2 | hrm |
| 23:53:01 | kergoth | hmm |
| 23:53:09 | Speedy2 | mmh? |
| 23:53:14 | kergoth | i could ftp get my private ssh key, and ssh in via public key auth |
| 23:53:16 | warmi | alright .. time to go |
| 23:53:18 | warmi | see you |
| 23:53:20 | kergoth | later warmi |
| 23:53:21 | Speedy2 | Bye warmi |