| 00:00:17 | Cloudchaser | i had read some posts about it and emailed someone who had one |
| 00:00:24 | Cloudchaser | one of them said they got 16 hours total |
| 00:00:39 | Neo|Work | not bad |
| 00:00:42 | Cloudchaser | between full z charge and 3 re-charges of the pack |
| 00:00:48 | Neo|Work | but is it rechargable? |
| 00:00:52 | Neo|Work | doh |
| 00:00:52 | Cloudchaser | yes |
| 00:00:55 | siriusnov | Cloudchaser : how do you recharge it? |
| 00:01:01 | Neo|Work | does it come with a charger I mean |
| 00:01:03 | Cloudchaser | there's a charger |
| 00:01:04 | Cloudchaser | yes |
| 00:01:05 | Neo|Work | ok |
| 00:01:07 | Neo|Work | coolio |
| 00:01:08 | siriusnov | it comes with a charger? |
| 00:01:11 | Neo|Work | might have to get one of those |
| 00:01:11 | Cloudchaser | that separates from the pack |
| 00:01:17 | Cloudchaser | you can leave that home |
| 00:01:20 | Cloudchaser | or in briefcase |
| 00:01:27 | siriusnov | thats cool if it comes with a charger |
| 00:01:30 | siriusnov | im getting one of those then |
| 00:01:38 | Cloudchaser | and there's a cable that plugs into the pack and the other end to the z |
| 00:01:42 | Cloudchaser | fits perfectly |
| 00:02:13 | Cloudchaser | i've charged z a couple times but only once as i didn't need more than that |
| 00:02:22 | siriusnov | neat |
| 00:02:26 | Cloudchaser | i'll try it on a long commute sometime and see how it goes |
| 00:02:29 | Neo|Work | I should get one and see how long it lasts with the ethernet card plugged in |
| 00:02:45 | Cloudchaser | probly around 4 hourss |
| 00:02:46 | siriusnov | hook that up the Z with a 802.11b card and if you get more then 5 hours, im sold |
| 00:03:03 | Cloudchaser | i ought try it sometime |
| 00:03:13 | Cloudchaser | but when i'm home i charge z in cradle |
| 00:03:16 | Neo|Work | I think it'll work for about 1 hour or so |
| 00:03:18 | Cloudchaser | and use vnc with it |
| 00:03:31 | Neo|Work | I use the AC adapter and ethernet at home |
| 00:03:39 | Cloudchaser | some wi-fi cards will get more than 1 hour |
| 00:03:50 | siriusnov | I dont really use wi-fi |
| 00:03:52 | Cloudchaser | mine, of course, is the most power hungry |
| 00:03:55 | Neo|Work | Well, this is the Hawkings 10/100 ethernet |
| 00:04:11 | Neo|Work | it gets 10-15 minutes (or perhaps less - never measured) when connected |
| 00:04:20 | siriusnov | sucky |
| 00:04:24 | Neo|Work | yah |
| 00:04:30 | siriusnov | Ill buy the hawking since its cheap and Ill get that batt pack |
| 00:04:32 | Neo|Work | but it was the only nic in my pricerange |
| 00:04:36 | iang | I've definitely used kismet for 3+ hours on the standard battery, but that's just in Monitor mode (not transmitting). |
| 00:04:37 | siriusnov | same here |
| 00:04:49 | Neo|Work | and I only do use it at home and since it's a wire anyway no big deal |
| 00:04:57 | siriusnov | yeah |
| 00:05:07 | Cloudchaser | i need to get wired card sometime |
| 00:05:13 | Cloudchaser | and big huge cf card :) |
| 00:05:57 | Neo|Work | well, mine certainly works. :P |
| 00:06:08 | siriusnov | Neo : you just plug it in and it works? |
| 00:06:42 | Neo|Work | yeah |
| 00:06:51 | Neo|Work | configure networking to, in my case, use dhcp and voila |
| 00:06:55 | Neo|Work | works at home, works at work |
| 00:07:41 | siriusnov | cool |
| 00:07:41 | siriusnov | I want one |
| 00:07:43 | siriusnov | its $50 bucks |
| 00:07:49 | siriusnov | doesnt block ports? |
| 00:09:14 | | kergoth is available at mailto:kergoth@digitalnemesis.net |
| 00:09:14 | tux_mike | ibot kergoth |
| 00:09:53 | whardier | hi |
| 00:10:18 | Neo|Work | siriusnov: nope, doesn't block anything |
| 00:10:28 | Neo|Work | it's exactly as wide as a cf card |
| 00:10:51 | siriusnov | cool |
| 00:10:55 | Cloudchaser | ooh someone released a "lightswitch" applet |
| 00:10:59 | Cloudchaser | sits in the tray |
| 00:11:00 | siriusnov | its cheap and works, im buying it |
| 00:11:19 | Cloudchaser | heya whardier! |
| 00:11:25 | extremis | where is the 062402 rom? |
| 00:11:25 | siriusnov | brb |
| 00:13:50 | Cloudchaser | http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/files/5500CD-062402.ZIP |
| 00:13:57 | Cloudchaser | unless its been taken down |
| 00:15:29 | Cloudchaser | hmm my samba didn't restart after i re-booted z |
| 00:17:07 | extremis | tkcjabber is cool! |
| 00:17:12 | extremis | kinda pricey |
| 00:17:24 | Cloudchaser | for me it was worth it |
| 00:17:33 | Cloudchaser | 20.00 isn't a big price |
| 00:17:44 | Cloudchaser | bigger than free, yes |
| 00:18:44 | Cloudchaser | i think there's some free ones out there |
| 00:18:53 | Cloudchaser | check killefiz |
| 00:18:59 | siriusnov | kinkattalite |
| 00:19:01 | siriusnov | i think |
| 00:23:15 | Neo|Work | so what kinds of games do you want for your Zaurus? |
| 00:23:28 | Cloudchaser | me? |
| 00:23:32 | Neo|Work | anyone here |
| 00:23:36 | Cloudchaser | hehe i like scrollers :) |
| 00:23:39 | Neo|Work | not directed at anyone specific. :P |
| 00:23:43 | Cloudchaser | like mario and sonic |
| 00:23:48 | Neo|Work | scrollers? like shoot'em'up or platform |
| 00:23:52 | Neo|Work | ah, platform ten |
| 00:23:54 | Neo|Work | then |
| 00:23:57 | siriusnov | I want Quake at 30fps |
| 00:24:01 | siriusnov | at 320x240 |
| 00:24:03 | siriusnov | =P |
| 00:24:19 | Cloudchaser | i got the iceblox one that someone posted today :) |
| 00:24:22 | Cloudchaser | i like it |
| 00:24:31 | Cloudchaser | its slow enough for me and i still get killed ;) |
| 00:24:35 | siriusnov | i havent played it yet |
| 00:24:38 | siriusnov | is it good? |
| 00:24:46 | siriusnov | the guys at thekompany are making an overhead racer game |
| 00:24:53 | Cloudchaser | hehe cool |
| 00:25:07 | siriusnov | yeah I was talking to BigBoss earlier |
| 00:25:08 | Neo|Work | I will get a motocross game out as soon as Digital Concepts finishes the PPC version. :P |
| 00:25:10 | Cloudchaser | i liked iceblox but i somehow closed it from the wheelile bar |
| 00:25:25 | Cloudchaser | have to play it some more to see if that happens often |
| 00:26:08 | toolafial | I would like joust |
| 00:27:55 | toolafial | or a game that works like joust |
| 00:28:54 | toolafial | well I'm out |
| 00:32:16 | Guyzmo | Hi |
| 00:32:33 | Guyzmo | I just wanna know if there is a 802.11b support |
| 00:32:35 | Guyzmo | in the zaurus |
| 00:32:44 | siriusnov | yep |
| 00:32:46 | siriusnov | there is |
| 00:32:46 | Nadav | you need to buy a card |
| 00:32:49 | Nadav | and then there is |
| 00:32:51 | siriusnov | now go buy one ;) |
| 00:32:55 | Guyzmo | ok |
| 00:32:58 | Guyzmo | uhuh |
| 00:33:04 | Guyzmo | I don't have a zaurus :> |
| 00:33:32 | Guest | heh |
| 00:33:36 | Guyzmo | I'm just watching the prices of all pda 802.11b enabled solutions :) |
| 00:33:43 | siriusnov | heh |
| 00:33:45 | Guest | neat jabber is cool |
| 00:33:47 | siriusnov | get a Zaurus |
| 00:33:54 | Cloudchaser | yep it is |
| 00:34:11 | Guyzmo | how much does it cost with the 802.11b card ? |
| 00:34:14 | Cloudchaser | hehe being the gabber that i am, its the first thing i bought |
| 00:34:15 | Guest | now to get longer batt time |
| 00:34:40 | Cloudchaser | http://www.erwincomputers.com/digdpnimexba1.html |
| 00:35:49 | siriusnov | yeah hehe |
| 00:35:53 | siriusnov | im buying one of those |
| 00:35:57 | Neo|Work | the Z is kind of cheap now |
| 00:35:58 | siriusnov | with a hawking ethernet connector |
| 00:36:08 | siriusnov | $360 is the lowest price I found |
| 00:36:21 | Cloudchaser | siriusnov: thats 100.00 less than i paid for mine |
| 00:36:30 | siriusnov | you used to be able to buy it for $300 from staples |
| 00:36:38 | siriusnov | I bought mine for $399 from best buy |
| 00:36:38 | Neo|Work | weird |
| 00:36:38 | siriusnov | heh |
| 00:36:40 | Guyzmo | staples ? |
| 00:36:48 | Cloudchaser | i got mine from statbles |
| 00:36:52 | Neo|Work | at amazon.com yesterday or day before it was $379 |
| 00:36:52 | Cloudchaser | staples |
| 00:36:59 | Neo|Work | today it's $418 |
| 00:37:01 | Cloudchaser | wasn't ever 300. that i know of |
| 00:37:29 | siriusnov | Cloudchaser, staples price matches, so you could price match it a few weeks ago with the lowest price out there from buy.com which was around $350 |
| 00:37:31 | Cloudchaser | least not at mine |
| 00:37:37 | siriusnov | then there was like a $50 coupon |
| 00:37:49 | Cloudchaser | yes they matched mine but that was just about 2 months ago |
| 00:37:51 | Guyzmo | and the 802.11b card ? |
| 00:37:59 | Cloudchaser | and i got it for 455.00 |
| 00:38:05 | Cloudchaser | that was the cheapest at the time |
| 00:38:07 | siriusnov | 802.11b cards are kinda expensive |
| 00:38:12 | siriusnov | around $100 bucks |
| 00:38:14 | Cloudchaser | yep |
| 00:38:28 | Guyzmo | that's standard pcmcia card ? |
| 00:38:36 | Cloudchaser | no |
| 00:38:38 | Cloudchaser | CF |
| 00:38:42 | siriusnov | i dont really see the point of 802.11b anyway they kill your batt life just use wired ethernet your not going to be THAT far from a cable, ever. |
| 00:38:42 | Guyzmo | oh ok |
| 00:39:02 | Cloudchaser | well for me i can go outside or anywhere in my house |
| 00:39:07 | Cloudchaser | wiwthout being attached |
| 00:39:08 | siriusnov | yeah well |
| 00:39:15 | Cloudchaser | if 'm goingto be attached i'll use my laptop |
| 00:39:20 | Guyzmo | siriusnov - I need it for my work |
| 00:39:23 | KhensU | surf from the toilet! |
| 00:39:31 | Cloudchaser | (but my laptop is wireless also) :) |
| 00:39:55 | Guyzmo | (my laptop is wired to the electricity :/ ) |
| 00:40:03 | Guyzmo | s/electricity/power/ :P |
| 00:40:54 | Cloudchaser | so you have access point? |
| 00:41:10 | Guyzmo | not yet |
| 00:41:22 | Cloudchaser | thats what is costly |
| 00:41:24 | Guyzmo | but I will have them for free :) |
| 00:41:27 | siriusnov | ill go wireless when I dont need to buy $400 bucks worth of equipment and only get a range of a couple hundred feet =P |
| 00:41:49 | siriusnov | I want ethernet lan speeds everywhere! |
| 00:41:50 | Guyzmo | (my company is sponsored by SMC) |
| 00:42:13 | Cloudchaser | hehe fine, then drag a cable around the house with you |
| 00:42:13 | Guyzmo | and is mutt useable on a zaurus ? |
| 00:42:28 | siriusnov | it should be |
| 00:42:30 | siriusnov | I havent tried |
| 00:42:41 | Guyzmo | (I mean readable :) |
| 00:42:53 | siriusnov | well |
| 00:42:55 | Guyzmo | when you launch a xterm |
| 00:42:58 | Guyzmo | what's the size ? |
| 00:43:12 | siriusnov | you can always increase the font size by installing the embedded-terminal |
| 00:43:12 | Guyzmo | (cols by rows) |
| 00:43:15 | siriusnov | with tabs |
| 00:43:16 | siriusnov | dunno |
| 00:43:26 | siriusnov | i use frotz and pico all the time |
| 00:43:27 | Guyzmo | (approx) |
| 00:43:42 | siriusnov | dunno |
| 00:43:52 | Guyzmo | is an old psion user ;) |
| 00:44:05 | Guyzmo | and I compiled vi on my psion :) |
| 00:44:11 | siriusnov | heh |
| 00:45:59 | siriusnov | afk |
| 00:46:28 | Guyzmo | and the hard of the zaurus is resistant ? :) |
| 00:47:02 | extremis | ugh, I hate mci |
| 00:47:20 | Nadav | join the club |
| 00:47:26 | Guyzmo | (everything which is in my pocket has always hard times :) |
| 00:48:31 | extremis | they have been charging me $40/m for 'basic service' |
| 00:49:12 | extremis | I told them I won't pay them what I owe them |
| 00:49:14 | extremis | fuck em |
| 00:49:39 | Guyzmo | hm |
| 00:49:53 | Guyzmo | what was the bad surprises you had with the zaurus ? |
| 00:49:55 | extremis | I can use that money to get 3000 minutes on a cellphone |
| 00:51:46 | Guyzmo | so |
| 00:51:52 | Guyzmo | it's time to go to bed |
| 00:51:57 | Guyzmo | 3:00 am :) |
| 00:58:53 | Guest | damn 3000 minutes for 50 |
| 01:15:48 | sirius|afk | http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00005U1B5/qid=1025572717/sr=1-8/ref=sr_1_8/102-5669188-5352131 |
| 01:15:57 | siriusnova | anyone have one of those? |
| 01:16:04 | siriusnova | i might go the 802.11b route |
| 01:23:52 | Neo|Work | that I know nothing of |
| 01:24:06 | Neo|Work | don't have any wireless network equipment so it'd be real expensive to set up |
| 01:24:18 | siriusnova | me neither |
| 01:24:23 | siriusnova | Im just going to the wired route |
| 01:24:30 | siriusnova | since its the cheapest and fastest way |
| 01:24:36 | siriusnova | Im going to buy that camera batt pack |
| 01:24:45 | siriusnova | and the $50 hawkings cf ethernet card |
| 01:24:49 | siriusnova | for $100 bucks total |
| 01:28:22 | Neo|Work | is away: home |
| 01:37:53 | ljp | boo! |
| 01:38:18 | whardier | ger |
| 01:43:09 | ljp | bil |
| 01:43:47 | whardier | ? |
| 01:43:49 | whardier | haha |
| 01:43:50 | whardier | damnit |
| 01:43:52 | whardier | ljp! |
| 01:44:11 | ljp | trying to compile qte? |
| 01:45:01 | whardier | did and done |
| 01:45:06 | whardier | modifying the liquid theme |
| 01:45:11 | whardier | making one named dark |
| 01:45:34 | whardier | but tonight.. I must make money |
| 01:45:34 | whardier | heh |
| 01:45:55 | ljp | hmmm going down to the red light district, eh? ;) |
| 01:50:35 | whardier | has too big of a booty for any of that |
| 01:53:07 | whardier | http://www.jp.home.com/ |
| 01:54:13 | jlb | Ugh... anyone compiled qpe from CVS today/recently? |
| 01:54:17 | warmi | re |
| 01:54:38 | ljp | not recently.. whats the problem? |
| 01:55:13 | jlb | It's not finding the uuid header |
| 01:55:23 | jlb | uuid/uuid.h |
| 01:56:03 | jlb | Something the taskbar wants. |
| 01:56:08 | ljp | looks like uuid.h is kernel header |
| 01:56:54 | ljp | there's a quuid.h in library/ |
| 01:57:08 | jlb | Right. It includes uuid.h |
| 01:57:34 | jlb | Or maybe transferserver.cpp is including it. |
| 01:58:18 | jlb | If that's a kernel header, where should it live in the toolchain? |
| 01:58:24 | ljp | on this machine its in /usr/src/linux/include/linux/xfs_support/ |
| 01:58:38 | jlb | Weird. I have a /usr/include/uuid/uuid.h |
| 01:58:42 | jlb | (on my desktop box) |
| 01:58:48 | ljp | ahh.. hmm |
| 01:58:48 | jlb | But it's not in the arm toolchain that I can find. |
| 01:59:10 | jlb | Maybe I'll just copy it and see if it works. :) |
| 01:59:14 | ljp | you could symlink it to QTDIR/include |
| 01:59:16 | jlb | Surely it's the same. |
| 01:59:23 | ljp | yep |
| 01:59:35 | whardier | augh |
| 01:59:44 | ljp | ? |
| 02:01:33 | jlb | Ok... it's building. BTW there are some omissions in qpe's library/Makefile.in (fileselector.cpp wants fileselector.moc, but there's no rule to generate it)... is zaurus-devel the appropriate place to mention that? |
| 02:01:51 | jlb | Crap... there's a libuuid too. Grrr. :) |
| 02:02:51 | warmi | ljp: if you install say a 4 MB ipkg to /mnt/card or CD does it still need to have 4 MB on the RAM filesystem to install properly ( or is it even 8 mb that it needs) ? |
| 02:02:57 | warmi | I am confused here .. |
| 02:03:48 | warmi | btw this ljp/jlb stuff is even more confusing |
| 02:03:49 | warmi | hehe |
| 02:04:46 | ljp_studio | better? |
| 02:05:10 | ljp_studio | I think ipkg puts the files in /tmp first |
| 02:05:11 | warmi | heh |
| 02:05:26 | Pentad | Hello all! |
| 02:05:35 | warmi | and then uncompresses the file in place ? |
| 02:05:39 | ljp_studio | jlb: try the qpe-devel list at qpe.sourceforge.net |
| 02:06:01 | warmi | that would mean it needs 2x as disk (memory) space even if you installing to to CF/SD .. |
| 02:06:02 | ljp_studio | unless you are trying to compile opie |
| 02:06:09 | warmi | what a piece of crap is taht |
| 02:08:23 | jlb | ljp_studio: nope, qpe. Thanks. |
| 02:08:30 | Pentad | What kind of dev tools are you folks using to work with the Z? I mean to port and compile other Linux stuff? |
| 02:09:00 | warmi | http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/howtos/linux_compiler_setup_howto.shtml |
| 02:09:02 | warmi | check this out |
| 02:09:37 | Pentad | Thanx! :-) |
| 02:09:42 | extremis | hrm, I wonder if I can find the dps-8100 cheaper locally |
| 02:09:50 | extremis | $10 shipping for ground is rediculous |
| 02:10:23 | Pentad | warmi: In that howto is there a Z emulator so I don't have to compile - move -test to my Z? |
| 02:10:41 | warmi | not really an emulator .. |
| 02:10:57 | warmi | more Z like enviroment ( Qtopia) but running under X86 system |
| 02:11:12 | warmi | basically you compile for X86 and run under X86 zaurus emulator |
| 02:11:31 | Pentad | warmi: Oh, cool. That should be fine. |
| 02:12:12 | warmi | it emulates everything Z has short of ASM code or i/o stuff |
| 02:12:22 | Pentad | warmi: Have you tried to port any X stuff over to the Z? |
| 02:12:47 | Pentad | Is the program Qtopia-X (I think) any good for getting around some of the X stuff to run under qt? |
| 02:13:01 | warmi | well, I ported some software from X based enviroment to Qtopia |
| 02:13:19 | warmi | I am not sure .. I have never attempted to run X software on Z |
| 02:13:44 | Pentad | I am thinking of tackling UAE and trying to port it to the Z. I think that would be awesome. :) |
| 02:13:44 | warmi | I know it can be done I but cannot help you with it |
| 02:13:56 | warmi | UAE ?? Amiga ? |
| 02:14:08 | Pentad | Yep! |
| 02:14:35 | warmi | well, there is no point porting to Z and requiring X to run it since hardly anybody has it installed |
| 02:14:38 | Pentad | I helped write some of the Kickstart ROM code a long time ago so I have a soft spot in my heart for the AmigaOS |
| 02:14:53 | warmi | if I were you I would port it to Qtopia framebuffer |
| 02:14:53 | Cloudchaser | i thought its been done |
| 02:15:06 | Cloudchaser | i read it worked on z but not releasd yet or something |
| 02:15:11 | Cloudchaser | they're goingfor japan first ;( |
| 02:15:18 | Pentad | Well, I would like to get around using X and trying to use either QT or cheat by using a program like Qtopia-X (if its any good). |
| 02:15:51 | ljp_studio | whats wrong with using qtopia? |
| 02:16:01 | warmi | Cloudchaser: I think you are a bit confused here ..... he thinks about an emulator that emulates 68000 CPU and you are thinking about native ARM compilation of AMiga OS |
| 02:16:08 | Pentad | Cloudchaser: I think that was AmigaDE or a PDA version of the current AmigaOS. |
| 02:16:29 | Cloudchaser | maybe |
| 02:16:34 | Cloudchaser | oh ok |
| 02:16:41 | Cloudchaser | i'm definitely confused :) |
| 02:16:51 | Pentad | Cloudchaser: Of course I would like to get ahold of that too. I'm still not sure why they never released it. It was big news when they first annouced it but then I'm not sure what happened. |
| 02:17:01 | Pentad | Hey, its Monday... |
| 02:17:14 | warmi | Pentad: I am sure EAU uses X only for setup and 90% of the work is done writing to internal backbuffer which is then blasted to X using X image or soemthing like that |
| 02:17:29 | warmi | in this case, for it to work on Qtopia, you would have to only change setup code .. |
| 02:18:01 | warmi | in fact Qtopia has a potential to be faster since you can directly access framebuffer memory without creating QIMages etc .. |
| 02:18:06 | Pentad | warmi: I am hoping you are correct. I would love to play around with UAE on the Z. |
| 02:18:37 | Pentad | I think Qtopia is very cool, it has some really cool stuff that X lacks. |
| 02:19:08 | warmi | Qtopia is OK .. I don't think it is great but I prefer to have it on my PDA instead of X |
| 02:19:36 | warmi | anyone here has 5500 and is willing to test a new application ? |
| 02:20:22 | Pentad | Sharp told me that there is a new rom to be released in July. Have any of you heard this? Supposed to fix some problems. |
| 02:21:00 | warmi | yeah |
| 02:21:08 | warmi | actually 2 different ROMS |
| 02:21:15 | warmi | one for 5500 and one for 5000d |
| 02:21:41 | warmi | tons of bug fixes accordig to our channel Sharp dudes ( JasonNJ and Benmayer) |
| 02:22:26 | Pentad | warmi: Very cool. I know there is a bug with the Z and MS Proxy server that I hope they resolve with this ROM or address in a software patch. |
| 02:22:34 | Pentad | For the desktop I mean. |
| 02:24:19 | warmi | yeah |
| 02:24:24 | warmi | hopefully they did |
| 02:25:01 | warmi | Cloudchaser: aren't you already running this upcoming ROM on your Z ? |
| 02:26:45 | Pentad | warmi: You said there are some Sharp folks here. Does Sharp seem to be commited to the Z for the long haul? I think it could be a real PPC/Palm Killer with enough |
| 02:27:00 | Pentad | support from Sharp over the next 12 to 18 months. |
| 02:27:12 | warmi | heh .. I wish I knew the answer to that question |
| 02:27:16 | warmi | they seem to be |
| 02:27:34 | warmi | 5600 is in the works ( again, according to our resident Sharp dudes) |
| 02:28:06 | Pentad | I was somewhat scared with the price cut. I bought my Z at Office Depot and they weren't not going to reorder any more Z's. (I had bought the last one) |
| 02:28:18 | warmi | I think it will be based on XScale CPU just like the newly released A300 |
| 02:29:07 | Pentad | That would be a great move for Sharp. I just don't want to seem them cave and go either PPC or Palm. I have owned both and Linux is a real OS compared to the others. |
| 02:29:50 | warmi | Pentad: how many units, do you think , Sharp managed to sell during the first two months after it was introduced ( April + May) ? |
| 02:29:58 | warmi | what would be your guess ? |
| 02:30:06 | whardier | is to the fun part |
| 02:30:22 | Pentad | I don't know, I would hope it would be high. Maybe 50k? |
| 02:30:55 | warmi | nah .. 20K during 2 months period .. by now probably 30 or 40 |
| 02:31:23 | warmi | this device has a potential but they need to stick with it |
| 02:31:41 | warmi | it looks like they are trying to switch their Japanese Zaurus to Qtopia/Linux combo |
| 02:31:43 | Pentad | That still isn't bad. I haven't really seen any ads for the Z from Sharp. |
| 02:31:47 | warmi | that is a good sign |
| 02:31:56 | Pentad | Yes, a very good sign |
| 02:32:17 | warmi | Pentad: I have seen some ads in Fortune and Wired |
| 02:32:40 | Pentad | Maybe I need to pay more attention. |
| 02:33:08 | Pentad | Best Buy and Office depot do nothing to help draw attention to the Z. |
| 02:33:12 | warmi | but you are right, they are not advertising their PDAs they way Ipaq or Palm does |
| 02:34:15 | warmi | well, to tell you the truth .. my local BestBay doesn't seem to promote any brand .. all of them Ipaqs, Jornadas, Palms, Zs are sort of siting there with blank screens etc.. |
| 02:34:22 | Nadav | yep |
| 02:34:37 | Pentad | OD had a huge Palm section and a huge PPC section. And then there was the Z in the corner. Best Buy doens't even have the Z so you can check out the sliding keyboard. Atleast in my area. Circuit City doesn't carry 'em at all which surprised me. |
| 02:34:54 | warmi | it seems as if the work with the assumption that people who buy PDAs come there knowing what they are going to buy |
| 02:35:16 | warmi | yeah, my local CC doesn't carry them either |
| 02:35:59 | warmi | Pentad: who did you buy your ZAurus from ? |
| 02:36:11 | Pentad | Yes, and we all know new PDA buyers are sheep and the sales folks don't know crap. The guy at hhgreg told me that any pda with ppc could run any windows app from your desktop machine. sigh... |
| 02:36:21 | warmi | hehehe |
| 02:36:35 | warmi | well, what do you expect from 16 year olds ... |
| 02:36:42 | Pentad | I bought mine from Office Depot. Best Buy has that 15% restocking fee if you return it. Arrg! |
| 02:36:55 | Nadav | are you serious? i didn't know that |
| 02:37:17 | warmi | I just returned a new monitor I bought couple of days ago and there was no resstocking fee |
| 02:37:18 | Nadav | But i have a $125 gift certificate to bestbuy.. so i'll buy it at bestbuy when i buy |
| 02:37:47 | Pentad | At least in my area (Indiana). They told me they get too many people that buy stuff, use it for a weekend, and then return it. Video Cameras 'n such I guess. |
| 02:38:10 | warmi | yeah most likely it is product based |
| 02:38:11 | Pentad | Nadav: Hey, you won't go wrong getting one. |
| 02:38:31 | Nadav | Pentad: Yeah, i know. I'm thinking about getting a mac though |
| 02:38:39 | warmi | Pentad: do you code ? |
| 02:39:14 | Pentad | The local Best Buy doesn't carry Macs here. Unless you meant getting a Mac in general. However you can still telnet, ssh, and ftp to your Z. |
| 02:39:27 | Pentad | warmi: A little, when I have time. :-) |
| 02:39:35 | Nadav | oh, i know bestbuy doesn't carry macs |
| 02:40:08 | Nadav | just both at the same time is quiet an expense |
| 02:40:28 | Pentad | Nadav: I can imagine. What kind of mac are you goint to get? |
| 02:40:34 | Pentad | warmi: Do you code a lot? |
| 02:40:45 | Nadav | I'm thinking about an ibook |
| 02:40:56 | warmi | yeah, that's my job |
| 02:41:17 | Pentad | Nadav: Why a Mac? No attack intended, just wondering? For OS X? |
| 02:41:41 | Pentad | warmi: Wow, C, Jave, XML, all, some?? |
| 02:41:58 | Pentad | jave=java..sigh |
| 02:42:15 | warmi | I personally think OS X is cool but I just cannot shell out 2x as much for their hardware as I would have to pay for similarly performing X86 box |
| 02:42:34 | warmi | Pentad: Java, C++ , TCL .. depends |
| 02:42:46 | Nadav | Well, I'm tired of windows and OS X is more widely accepted than linux.. I think it's time to get a new computer anyway, I want something different. |
| 02:42:55 | warmi | used to code for Amiga in 1990 in 6800 asm , then switched to X86 |
| 02:43:15 | Nadav | Can someone please tell me if www.deviantart.com looks extremely messed up? |
| 02:43:45 | Pentad | I think OS X is cool but the hardware is kind of pricey. IMHO that is. |
| 02:44:28 | Pentad | warmi: WOW! What did you code on the Amiga? I helped write the first Kickstart relocator program (like kickit, rekick, etc) |
| 02:44:38 | warmi | Nadav: my Mozilla kinds sits there trying to load this page ( I have DSL connection ) |
| 02:45:06 | Nadav | warmi: yeah, that's the same thing i get |
| 02:45:08 | Nadav | on mozilla and IE |
| 02:45:13 | warmi | Pentad: yeah we used to use Hisoft Assembler |
| 02:45:29 | warmi | Nadav: it came up but with all images missing |
| 02:45:37 | Nadav | ok, so it's not just a problem on my side |
| 02:45:39 | Nadav | thanks |
| 02:45:53 | warmi | Pentad: I still somewhere have like 5 different amiga manuals hehe |
| 02:46:17 | warmi | I used to have Amiga 600 with HD etc up until 1997 or 1998 |
| 02:46:43 | Pentad | warmi: You can check out my Amiga site at http://www.mmhart.com/amiga.htm I also am hosting the Amiga Unix OS called AMIX now too. |
| 02:46:49 | Pentad | Actually all of you are welcome to check my site out. :-) |
| 02:47:13 | warmi | Pentad: do you still use Amigas ??? |
| 02:47:46 | Pentad | Not really, though I have a bunch still laying around (1000s, 2000s, etc). WinUAE runs pretty well so I mainly use that. |
| 02:48:05 | warmi | heheh |
| 02:48:38 | warmi | yeah, tried to run StateOfTheArt demo on one of Amiga emulators under WIndows .. it didn't run all that well |
| 02:48:41 | Pentad | warmi: If you like Linux, AMIX was pretty cool for the time. SVR4 on the Amiga with Xwindows and everything... |
| 02:48:51 | warmi | basically choppy sound etc ... and I was running it on 1 GHZ box |
| 02:49:23 | warmi | man.. I remember when State of The Art came out .. it was a friggin shock |
| 02:49:32 | warmi | everyones jaws dropped |
| 02:49:34 | warmi | hehe |
| 02:49:59 | warmi | you remmeber State oF the Art Pentad ??? |
| 02:50:00 | Pentad | WinUAE does run the KGB Demo pretty well. I thought that was cool too. Oh, and Wild Copper too. |
| 02:50:19 | kergoth | re |
| 02:50:31 | warmi | I actually found a site with tons of Amiga/PC demos available as high quality AVIs files |
| 02:50:33 | Pentad | Can you give me a hint to jog my memory? When did it come out? ECS or AGA? |
| 02:50:35 | warmi | pretty cool :-) |
| 02:50:40 | warmi | ECS |
| 02:50:52 | warmi | I never owned AGA machine so it must have been ECS |
| 02:51:11 | Pentad | Is State of the Art on that site you mentioned? |
| 02:51:17 | Pentad | Or on aminet? |
| 02:51:18 | warmi | I was comtemplating buying A 1200 but then went for 486 dx |
| 02:51:51 | warmi | I will try to find that site ... I don't have it booked on my Linux desktop ( it is booked on WIndows site - it is a dualboot box) |
| 02:51:54 | Pentad | I actually bought a 4000 but then I graduated from college and sold it and bought a Mac. |
| 02:52:16 | warmi | holly crap ... I remember 4000 were sold for like $ 2000 or so |
| 02:52:19 | warmi | a lot of money |
| 02:52:47 | Pentad | I saved a lot of pennies to get it. Too bad CBM went down hill... |
| 02:53:33 | warmi | hehehe |
| 02:53:44 | Pentad | Did you know that MS tried to buy and port the AmigaOS for Windows 95? They were going to try to port it. However, CBM went bankrupt and the deal fell through. |
| 02:53:55 | warmi | hahahaha |
| 02:54:03 | warmi | I never heard about that |
| 02:55:32 | warmi | ftp://ftp.gathering.org/Amidemos |
| 02:55:44 | warmi | zipeed avi files .. state of the art is sota.zip |
| 02:55:48 | Pentad | Oh cool, I'm going to bookmark that. |
| 02:56:53 | Pentad | I'm grabbing it right now...thanks. |
| 02:57:32 | warmi | I remember I had a600 + 1 MB additonal RAM + 110 MB HD disk drive |
| 02:57:35 | warmi | something like that |
| 02:57:54 | warmi | very small, compact unit |
| 02:57:59 | warmi | without numeric keypad |
| 02:58:26 | Pentad | Oh yeah, the A600. Very cool. I had the 500, 3000, and 4000. |
| 02:58:48 | warmi | I had 500 then went to a600 |
| 02:59:10 | warmi | but much of a diferent just newer workbench ( 2.1 I believe) |
| 02:59:21 | warmi | + ECS |
| 03:00:04 | Pentad | Yeah, Workbench sure improved over the years. And yet remained fairly small in size. |
| 03:00:36 | darienm | Nadav still here? |
| 03:00:47 | warmi | heh .. I know there is like a third party extension which upgrades Workbench to 3d look etc .. |
| 03:01:14 | warmi | kergoth: are you around ? |
| 03:01:21 | kergoth | yeah |
| 03:01:23 | kergoth | whats goin on |
| 03:01:44 | warmi | can you test ipkg for me ? |
| 03:01:52 | warmi | basically see if it installs on 5500 ? |
| 03:02:10 | warmi | because I am running out of mem on 5000d .. it contains 4 MB database |
| 03:02:14 | Pentad | warmi: Thanks for all the help! I'm going to bed now. :-) |
| 03:02:33 | warmi | Pentad: no problem .. stop by more often will talk about amiga and Zs hehe |
| 03:03:06 | Pentad | hehe...count on it! See you soon! |
| 03:03:12 | kergoth | warmi: sure. send it over. ill reflash a 2.4.6 kernel first so i can run opie.. hehe |
| 03:04:38 | warmi | can you access that file with your browser ftp://ftp.warmi.net/public |
| 03:04:48 | warmi | it is nfdb_1.0.0_arm.ipk |
| 03:05:08 | warmi | or would you prefer if I emailed it to you ? |
| 03:05:27 | darienm | Has anybody heard whether any person or team is working on a 'transcribe' handwriting recognition function like the PPCs have? |
| 03:05:57 | MSpin | kergoth: any kernel luck? |
| 03:06:05 | warmi | ok . I am trying to dcc it |
| 03:06:29 | kergoth | warmi: got it via the ftp |
| 03:07:24 | kergoth | MSpin: well, since i got home here, ive had worse luck.. hehe. |
| 03:07:38 | warmi | ok .. I am getting "sorry something went wrong " when installing .. using command line gives me "device out of space" |
| 03:07:41 | warmi | hehe |
| 03:07:57 | jmhodges | heya |
| 03:08:00 | MSpin | kergoth: that |
| 03:08:03 | MSpin | kergoth: that's no good |
| 03:08:09 | warmi | and I have 6 MB free ( this is all trying to install to SD ) |
| 03:08:29 | warmi | hi jmhodges |
| 03:08:32 | MSpin | was there a strange change in OZ/opie version numbers? |
| 03:08:35 | warmi | the medieval dude |
| 03:08:35 | warmi | hehe |
| 03:08:38 | kergoth | MSpin: yep |
| 03:08:42 | kergoth | MSpin: ipkg install opie-update; |
| 03:08:43 | MSpin | hehe, ok |
| 03:08:47 | MSpin | ahh |
| 03:08:50 | jmhodges | hey warmi! |
| 03:08:50 | kergoth | MSpin: it'll just uninstall & reinstall for ya. heh |
| 03:09:10 | warmi | jmhodges: still dialing up ? |
| 03:09:11 | kergoth | MSpin: opie is now at 0.9.1, which is its true version, instead of sticking with 1.5.0 just because of qtopia |
| 03:09:49 | MSpin | yeah |
| 03:09:53 | jmhodges | warmi: yeah :) |
| 03:09:57 | MSpin | thats what it looked like to me |
| 03:10:14 | MSpin | well, I need to redo my OZ install anyway |
| 03:10:28 | MSpin | I tried removing and updating each package |
| 03:10:34 | MSpin | it isn't pretty |
| 03:10:51 | kergoth | oh yeah, that reminds me, i need to add openobex to the buildsystem for oz3 beta 10.2 |
| 03:11:53 | MSpin | is OBEX getting there? |
| 03:13:12 | kergoth | MSpin: opie supports beaming. |
| 03:13:30 | kergoth | MSpin: libopieobex + irda applet + openobex |
| 03:14:05 | MSpin | excellent |
| 03:14:21 | MSpin | is there a PPP over IrDA network module yet? |
| 03:14:59 | kergoth | ? |
| 03:15:14 | kergoth | you can do ppp over ircomm.. ircomm gives you a tty |
| 03:15:33 | MSpin | yeah |
| 03:16:05 | MSpin | I was wondering if there was a module/applet for the network control panel thingy |
| 03:16:11 | kergoth | ah.. |
| 03:16:15 | kergoth | someone is rewriting netsetup |
| 03:16:21 | kergoth | they're adding wireless lan to netsetup itself |
| 03:16:23 | MSpin | ah, fun |
| 03:16:24 | kergoth | and adding usb and irda and shit |
| 03:16:28 | MSpin | excellent |
| 03:16:30 | kergoth | and making the network monitor applet usable |
| 03:16:31 | MSpin | and BT:) |
| 03:16:33 | kergoth | yep |
| 03:16:38 | MSpin | sweet |
| 03:16:51 | kergoth | theres a whole suite of BT shit harlekin and zecke have been working on |
| 03:16:53 | kergoth | libopietooth |
| 03:16:55 | kergoth | and shit |
| 03:17:14 | MSpin | cool, a friend of mine got his BTcard a few days ago |
| 03:17:31 | kergoth | woot! my Z pulled down the transmit signal again |
| 03:17:34 | kergoth | i'm back in business |
| 03:17:41 | MSpin | I shall be buying more toys in a few weeks after I start getting my pay checks:) |
| 03:17:43 | kergoth | having serial again is nice |
| 03:17:44 | kergoth | hah |
| 03:17:46 | MSpin | hehe |
| 03:17:53 | MSpin | you broke the debugging serial? |
| 03:17:55 | kergoth | yeah |
| 03:17:58 | kergoth | dunno what i did |
| 03:18:04 | MSpin | that happens pretty early :) |
| 03:18:04 | kergoth | i had to reflash the same kernel i had on it before |
| 03:18:19 | kergoth | extremely early when you turn on DEBUG_LL |
| 03:18:26 | MSpin | yeah |
| 03:18:36 | kergoth | k brb, time to make this piece of shit hyperterminal cooperate |
| 03:18:37 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:18:55 | MSpin | I need to package my latest version of kismet_qt...it's been mostly ready for a month |
| 03:19:25 | MSpin | ugh |
| 03:20:32 | kergoth | shoots hyperterminal |
| 03:20:44 | kergoth | you have procomm plus handy? |
| 03:20:45 | kergoth | heeh |
| 03:20:59 | kergoth | or crosstalk or comit or something |
| 03:21:00 | warmi | kergoth: just to make soemthing clear ... even if one is installing to SD .. it still needs 2x the size of unpackaged ipkg to install it right ? |
| 03:21:18 | kergoth | warmi: yep, because /tmp is in ram |
| 03:21:23 | MSpin | minicom:) |
| 03:21:29 | kergoth | warmi: uses up that much space in temp, then sd |
| 03:21:31 | MSpin | or tip, heheh |
| 03:21:42 | kergoth | MSpin: i'm on my windows xp gaming box.. is there minicom for cygwin? |
| 03:21:43 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:21:51 | MSpin | hrm, not sure |
| 03:21:54 | kergoth | MSpin: or cu from uucp.. |
| 03:22:06 | kergoth | cu -l /dev/ttyS0 -s 9600 |
| 03:22:08 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:22:12 | MSpin | I might be able to find the top source tho |
| 03:22:23 | kergoth | hmm does putty support serial? |
| 03:22:43 | kergoth | doesnt look like it |
| 03:22:48 | kergoth | i bet CRT/SecureCRT supports serial.. |
| 03:22:49 | kergoth | looks |
| 03:23:08 | warmi | I think I am just going to gzip my big file and ungzip it when it is first run .. this way I can fool that stupid qinstall |
| 03:23:53 | MSpin | oh |
| 03:23:54 | MSpin | yeah |
| 03:24:00 | MSpin | SecureCRT does |
| 03:24:10 | kergoth | does it? been a while since i used it |
| 03:24:18 | MSpin | yeah |
| 03:24:20 | kergoth | i switched to p utty cause putty's more lightweight |
| 03:24:21 | kergoth | cool |
| 03:24:29 | MSpin | me too |
| 03:24:42 | MSpin | it's a decent suggestion for putty tho |
| 03:24:42 | kergoth | where's telemate or telix when i need it |
| 03:24:49 | MSpin | hehe..telix |
| 03:24:51 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:24:55 | kergoth | i miss those apps.. bbsing |
| 03:25:06 | MSpin | man, and I was looking up AT init strings earlier |
| 03:25:16 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:25:28 | MSpin | a friend of mine moved out intothe sticks, and his 56k modem wouldn't stay connected longer than 2 seconds |
| 03:25:40 | kergoth | i remember my init string for my 9600 baud practical peripherals modem.. external |
| 03:25:50 | MSpin | so we found the command to disable v.90 heheh |
| 03:25:54 | MSpin | 28.8 baby! |
| 03:25:56 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:26:09 | MSpin | it's funny, he can get DSL thp |
| 03:26:41 | MSpin | actually, that's prolly why the line quality sucks, they removed the loading coils for the previous tennent |
| 03:28:18 | kergoth | hahaha son of a bitch |
| 03:28:22 | kergoth | grumbles |
| 03:28:26 | kergoth | no flow control! |
| 03:28:31 | kergoth | it overflowed my inbound buffer |
| 03:28:33 | kergoth | fucking kernel messages |
| 03:28:36 | kergoth | turned into garbage |
| 03:29:20 | kergoth | I'm going to have to drop the baud rate below 9600.. drip feed the data |
| 03:29:26 | kergoth | what a pain in the ass |
| 03:29:47 | kergoth | ibot: message for bzflag: note to self: serial consoling with lots of printks and no flow control = bad |
| 03:30:07 | MSpin | haha |
| 03:30:44 | MSpin | might be a decent idea for a kernel patch...flow control in early serial debugging mode |
| 03:31:07 | kergoth | it pisses me off that my desktop cant get the data out of the damn uart as fast as its coming in |
| 03:31:09 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:31:16 | warmi | is it possible to force gunzip to unzip a file that does have .gz suffix ??? |
| 03:31:19 | kergoth | yeah basic flow control wouldnt be very difficult |
| 03:31:40 | kergoth | keep track of high & low water marks.. either do rts/cts or xon/xoff |
| 03:31:44 | kergoth | maybe ill do that if i'm bored |
| 03:31:55 | kergoth | for now, i drip feed the desktop |
| 03:33:53 | kergoth | Based upon Swansea University Computer Society NET3.039 |
| 03:33:54 | kergoth | Initializing RT netlink socket |
| 03:33:54 | kergoth | )5RJ-)5 |
| 03:33:54 | kergoth | )5A+)5A+ |
| 03:33:58 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:34:00 | kergoth | stupid shit |
| 03:34:22 | MSpin | that's really strange |
| 03:34:30 | kergoth | thats what happens when you overflow the buffer |
| 03:34:32 | MSpin | sure it is the inbound buffer? |
| 03:34:34 | kergoth | everything is garbage |
| 03:34:42 | kergoth | yeah, it was like this, but not as bad on my linux box at work |
| 03:34:47 | MSpin | ahh |
| 03:34:48 | kergoth | it obviously handled it better |
| 03:34:55 | kergoth | ah well |
| 03:34:59 | MSpin | what baud rate? |
| 03:35:03 | kergoth | 9600 |
| 03:35:08 | MSpin | hrm |
| 03:35:17 | kergoth | i'm dropping to 2400 to drip feed the desktop so it doesnt overflow the buffer |
| 03:35:26 | kergoth | you know, maybe a different terminal app would handle it better |
| 03:35:27 | kergoth | who knows |
| 03:35:33 | MSpin | one would expect that a 16byte fifo would be big enough to handle that better |
| 03:35:37 | kergoth | you'd think |
| 03:35:46 | MSpin | are you running the preemptive kernel? |
| 03:35:50 | kergoth | nope |
| 03:35:53 | kergoth | preemption is off |
| 03:35:59 | kergoth | I dont need more variables |
| 03:36:00 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:36:06 | MSpin | I meant on the linuxdesktop |
| 03:36:14 | kergoth | ah, nope |
| 03:36:16 | alphablue | hmm i have openzaurus installed.. no mp3 player with it.. |
| 03:36:22 | kergoth | the linux box is 2.4.18-somethingorother |
| 03:36:25 | kergoth | alphablue: install one |
| 03:36:29 | alphablue | where do i get that app separately ? |
| 03:36:38 | kergoth | alphablue: the package feed, where you get all the OZ apps |
| 03:36:41 | | oz3 feed is at http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/feeds/3.0/ |
| 03:36:41 | kergoth | ibot: oz3 feed |
| 03:37:03 | whardier | no BEEER |
| 03:37:03 | kergoth | alphablue: or if you have net access on the Z.. ipkg update; ipkg install opieplayer; # iirc |
| 03:37:05 | whardier | for whardier! |
| 03:37:09 | kergoth | whardier: ack, why the hell not |
| 03:37:24 | alphablue | the latest oz rom has wireless support ? |
| 03:37:29 | MSpin | kergoth: at 9600 the fifo would fill up in 16ms |
| 03:37:40 | kergoth | MSpin: assuming constant input, yep |
| 03:37:44 | MSpin | yeah |
| 03:37:45 | kergoth | hah |
| 03:37:51 | kergoth | hyperterminal stops clear data at the same point |
| 03:37:55 | kergoth | but hides hte garbage from me |
| 03:38:03 | MSpin | lol |
| 03:38:08 | kergoth | must not like high ascii chars |
| 03:38:09 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:38:26 | MSpin | maybe it's reading the UART error bit? |
| 03:38:31 | MSpin | framming and such |
| 03:38:43 | kergoth | yeah it probably figures out its in an overflow condition |
| 03:38:47 | kergoth | and shuts up |
| 03:39:00 | kergoth | man, of all the stupid fucking things to interfere with debugging this |
| 03:39:12 | kergoth | i work in serial, i deal with buffer overruns daily |
| 03:39:12 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:39:15 | kergoth | how ironic |
| 03:40:09 | MSpin | what do you do? |
| 03:40:45 | kergoth | unix tech support for Digi international (formerly digiboard) |
| 03:41:02 | kergoth | they do serial console servers, serial boards, that sort of thing |
| 03:41:12 | Cloudchaser | wow now there's a blast from the past |
| 03:41:16 | kergoth | indeed |
| 03:41:28 | kergoth | i dont think they get that serial is dead. |
| 03:41:31 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:41:32 | MSpin | ahhh yeah |
| 03:41:32 | Cloudchaser | i worked on a serial network a few years back |
| 03:41:42 | Cloudchaser | til we converted it over to ethernet ;) |
| 03:41:44 | MSpin | I have a couple digi ISDN boards |
| 03:41:49 | Cloudchaser | poor old digiboards |
| 03:41:56 | kergoth | like 80% of our calls are still SCO OpenServer boxes running serial to their terminals and printers |
| 03:41:57 | kergoth | nuts |
| 03:42:05 | kergoth | shits been untouched for like 7 years and it breaks |
| 03:42:09 | Cloudchaser | eheh they used sco there too |
| 03:42:46 | kergoth | openserver was solid for what it was good for |
| 03:42:51 | kergoth | sco unixware blows horribly |
| 03:42:55 | MSpin | doesn't digi make some decent sync serial boards? |
| 03:42:58 | kergoth | at laast in user space |
| 03:43:22 | kergoth | MSpin: yeh, they do 232/422/485 switchable cards and stuff.. single port network attached devices that speak modbus/tcp.. etc |
| 03:44:09 | MSpin | cool |
| 03:44:36 | kergoth | and digi is yet another company that doesnt understand the linux community |
| 03:44:44 | alphablue | kergoth |
| 03:44:59 | kergoth | they distribute their drivers seperately as source rpms rather than as a part of the kernel.. annoying |
| 03:45:01 | alphablue | i just did a wget -m on the feds page. and got all the ipks |
| 03:45:04 | kergoth | alphablue: k.. |
| 03:45:27 | kergoth | alphablue: install opie-libmad .. opie-libmpeg3 and opie-mediaplayer |
| 03:45:52 | alphablue | can i do ipkg update by putting my ipks on the flash card, and do ipkg update ? |
| 03:46:00 | kergoth | if you add the CF card to the ipkg feeds |
| 03:46:21 | kergoth | echo "cf file:/mnt/cf" >> /etc/ipkg.conf ; assuming Packages from the feed is on /mnt/cf/ |
| 03:46:29 | kergoth | er |
| 03:46:37 | alphablue | i see |
| 03:46:39 | kergoth | s/cf/src cf/ |
| 03:46:59 | kergoth | ipkg update only updates ipkg's feeds. cf isnt a feed for most people |
| 03:47:30 | MSpin | kergoth: what do you know about theier ISDN cards |
| 03:48:58 | kergoth | goddamnit |
| 03:49:01 | kergoth | it overflowed again |
| 03:49:03 | MSpin | haha |
| 03:49:05 | kergoth | after 2 more lines |
| 03:49:06 | kergoth | argh! |
| 03:49:24 | kergoth | how the fuck do i debug when the data is coming in too damn fast |
| 03:49:37 | kergoth | Initializing RT netlink socket |
| 03:49:37 | kergoth | tarting kswapd |
| 03:49:38 | kergoth | %=-)5 |
| 03:49:41 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:49:42 | kergoth | oi |
| 03:50:43 | kergoth | ahhh |
| 03:50:44 | kergoth | that sucked |
| 03:50:49 | kergoth | did a cat < /dev/ttyS0 |
| 03:50:51 | kergoth | from cygwin.. |
| 03:50:54 | kergoth | the high ascii produced beeps |
| 03:51:02 | kergoth | its beeping there for like a minute and a half.. |
| 03:51:03 | kergoth | lol |
| 03:51:20 | MSpin | hahaha |
| 03:51:53 | MSpin | it's over flowing at 2400? |
| 03:52:56 | kergoth | yep |
| 03:52:58 | kergoth | wtf |
| 03:53:19 | kergoth | see it doesnt help that this super low level shit isnt going thruogh the console system |
| 03:53:22 | kergoth | its direct out the port |
| 03:53:23 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:53:33 | kergoth | this is getting on my nerves |
| 03:53:59 | kergoth | sets to 110 baud, just for shits |
| 03:54:54 | MSpin | hears patch:) |
| 03:55:34 | kergoth | MSpin: cant do hardware flow control |
| 03:55:37 | kergoth | unfortunately |
| 03:55:49 | kergoth | MSpin: rts, cts, dtr, dsr are all GPIO's.. which arent even setup at this point |
| 03:56:09 | kergoth | MSpin: and whats worse, they arent GPIO's directly on the sa1110, they're GPIO's on a sharp chip |
| 03:56:09 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:56:46 | MSpin | oh, damn |
| 03:56:51 | MSpin | xon/xoff |
| 03:57:05 | kergoth | MSpin: so I'd have to implement xon/xoff in arch/arm/kernel/debug.S |
| 03:57:13 | MSpin | hehe |
| 03:57:15 | kergoth | MSpin: you want to ipmlement xon/xoff in ARM asm for me? lol |
| 03:57:16 | alphablue | wierd |
| 03:57:18 | kergoth | man, its not my day |
| 03:57:26 | alphablue | it's always trying to install in /mnt/cf |
| 03:57:33 | kergoth | alphablue: using oipkg? |
| 03:57:42 | MSpin | what about a quick acknowlege hack? |
| 03:57:53 | MSpin | for every char sent, wait for a char back? |
| 03:57:58 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:58:01 | alphablue | i went into the control panel from oz, and then hit software then i hit update |
| 03:58:06 | kergoth | telnet go ahead implemented in serial.. |
| 03:58:08 | kergoth | eww |
| 03:58:14 | alphablue | i added the line echo "cf file:/mnt/cf" >> /etc/ipkg.conf ; |
| 03:58:25 | kergoth | alphablue i corrected myself.. you didnt see |
| 03:58:37 | kergoth | alphablue: it should be 'src cf file:/mnt/cf' .. then run ipkg update |
| 03:58:54 | alphablue | o |
| 03:59:14 | kergoth | MSpin: goddamnit .. i cant debug the kernel crash because of such a stupid fucking problem. this is pissing me off |
| 03:59:27 | alphablue | so take out the first line i added right ? |
| 03:59:40 | kergoth | MSpin: your quick ack hack would be close to a xon/xoff implementation, may as well finish the job.. hehe |
| 04:00:11 | MSpin | or even a throttling |
| 04:00:16 | MSpin | busy loop |
| 04:00:20 | kergoth | the thing is.. this isnt even tty level |
| 04:00:38 | kergoth | how do i sleep the process thats calling printascii from assembly? |
| 04:00:55 | kergoth | yeah i suppose the equiv of a spinlock would work. loop |
| 04:00:57 | kergoth | what a pain in the ass |
| 04:01:06 | kergoth | i need a drink. yet i'm completely out |
| 04:01:19 | MSpin | what serial port is it? |
| 04:01:21 | MSpin | 1 or 3? |
| 04:01:25 | kergoth | MSpin: 3 |
| 04:01:46 | kergoth | MSpin: i dont think they use 1.. if they do its as as gpclk not as a uart |
| 04:03:15 | kergoth | MSpin: lol one thing.. it doesnt even enable the receive pin :-) |
| 04:03:22 | MSpin | d0h |
| 04:03:31 | kergoth | MSpin: so i'd have to throttle unless i want to add added complexity by dealing with receipt of data |
| 04:03:37 | whardier | well aren't we all chatty like! |
| 04:03:40 | kergoth | MSpin: which i decidedly dont at this point |
| 04:03:41 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:03:44 | MSpin | did yo utry anything higher than 9600? |
| 04:03:45 | kergoth | sup whardier |
| 04:04:13 | kergoth | MSpin: nope. hmm thats an idea.. if its overflowing the uart on the Z, not my pc's uart.. then it could empty its transmit buffer faster |
| 04:04:20 | whardier | kergoth oh nothing |
| 04:04:20 | kergoth | MSpin: hah i bet thats the issue. thanks for that. |
| 04:04:24 | whardier | just being destructive |
| 04:04:36 | MSpin | yeah |
| 04:04:41 | kergoth | changes the baud rate from 110 to 38400 |
| 04:04:43 | kergoth | lol |
| 04:04:48 | MSpin | the SA has a 12 byte Fifo I think |
| 04:05:09 | kergoth | 12 byte? |
| 04:05:15 | kergoth | if thats the case i'm surprised it got as far as it did |
| 04:05:16 | kergoth | hehe |
| 04:05:19 | MSpin | I think I just read that |
| 04:05:29 | alphablue | ummm |
| 04:05:39 | alphablue | i have ipkg version 0.99.10-1 |
| 04:05:54 | MSpin | jsut realized that the SA has a sync-serial port |
| 04:05:59 | MSpin | this is perfect |
| 04:06:12 | kergoth | MSpin: sync? |
| 04:06:27 | MSpin | synchronous |
| 04:06:28 | alphablue | when it tries to install it saysunknown command sub-command /mnt/card |
| 04:06:36 | kergoth | MSpin: yes yes i know what i sync is.. hehe. i meant it does? |
| 04:06:42 | MSpin | oh, yeah |
| 04:06:48 | MSpin | two I think |
| 04:07:20 | whardier | I think I am gonna scan for open VNC systems now.. |
| 04:07:21 | MSpin | the audio codec can hang off one |
| 04:07:22 | kergoth | ahahaha |
| 04:07:28 | kergoth | MSpin: it has a 8 entry output fifo! |
| 04:07:33 | kergoth | MSpin: no wonder the difficulties |
| 04:07:35 | MSpin | haha |
| 04:08:13 | MSpin | a better solution would be to modify debug.S to only send a byte at a time |
| 04:08:25 | kergoth | yeah.. throttle it |
| 04:08:34 | MSpin | or, just watch the fifo full bit |
| 04:08:43 | kergoth | yeh |
| 04:08:51 | kergoth | or take the time and turn on RXE and wait for an xoff |
| 04:08:58 | MSpin | yeah |
| 04:09:06 | MSpin | but that wouldrequire recieve |
| 04:09:14 | kergoth | yeh |
| 04:09:16 | kergoth | not a big deal really |
| 04:09:40 | kergoth | but it'd be easier to slow it down a bit |
| 04:09:44 | kergoth | brb, |
| 04:11:16 | alphablue | this is wierd |
| 04:11:31 | alphablue | i copied 14 mb over to the cf card and it says the disk is full |
| 04:11:50 | alphablue | can i do a mke2fs on the disk ? |
| 04:13:50 | MSpin | alphablue: how big is the card supposed to be? |
| 04:13:56 | alphablue | 64mb |
| 04:14:03 | alphablue | dev/hde1 62M 14M 48M 22% /stick |
| 04:14:43 | MSpin | FAT? |
| 04:14:52 | MSpin | and writing to it says it's full? |
| 04:14:58 | alphablue | ya |
| 04:15:13 | alphablue | VFS: Disk change detected on device ide2(33,1) |
| 04:15:13 | alphablue | FAT: Using codepage cp437 |
| 04:15:14 | alphablue | FAT: Using IO charset default |
| 04:15:17 | MSpin | how many files? |
| 04:15:18 | kergoth | hmm i never knew this.. when you hit full reset the Z is turned on immediately |
| 04:15:28 | MSpin | hrm |
| 04:15:42 | alphablue | ls -l | wc -l |
| 04:16:10 | alphablue | 163 |
| 04:16:30 | kergoth | gahhhh!!! |
| 04:16:36 | NeoTron | is away: I'm busy |
| 04:16:37 | kergoth | fucking son of a bitch |
| 04:16:45 | NeoTron | is back (gone 00:00:01) |
| 04:16:55 | alphablue | i didn't mean to be one |
| 04:17:00 | kergoth | i'm not talking to you |
| 04:17:01 | kergoth | hehe |
| 04:17:08 | alphablue | :) |
| 04:17:16 | MSpin | alphablue: he's yelling at a piece of sand:) |
| 04:17:23 | MSpin | alphablue: that could be the problem |
| 04:17:24 | alphablue | i see |
| 04:17:31 | alphablue | too many files ? |
| 04:17:52 | MSpin | maybe |
| 04:18:03 | MSpin | you might try moving them to some sub dirs just to test |
| 04:18:35 | kergoth | MSpin: overflowed sooner than 2400.. wtf? |
| 04:18:37 | kergoth | weird |
| 04:19:19 | MSpin | at the higher bitrate? |
| 04:19:25 | kergoth | yeah, at 38400 |
| 04:19:29 | MSpin | hrm |
| 04:19:30 | kergoth | i'm upping it to 115200 now |
| 04:19:44 | kergoth | that oughta let it dump the fifo fast enough |
| 04:19:47 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:20:01 | kergoth | yawns |
| 04:20:02 | kergoth | im tired |
| 04:25:54 | NeoTron | kergoth: what are you up to? |
| 04:26:17 | warmi | I am looking for an ipkg that contains some sort of postinstall or other scripts |
| 04:26:27 | kergoth | NeoTron: serial consoling the Z to get 2.5.x working |
| 04:26:33 | warmi | I am trying to figure out how to use them with mkipkg |
| 04:27:00 | kergoth | NeoTron: but the Z's output fifo is only 8 bytes, and i keep overflowing the buffer and corrupting the output.. so the console is useless. pissing me off, cause i'm at such a low level I have no flow control |
| 04:27:00 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:27:39 | kergoth | can someone send me their dmesg output from the Z please? I'd like to check something |
| 04:28:03 | kergoth | warmi: you know about the issues with mkipks right? heh |
| 04:28:34 | warmi | ?? |
| 04:28:41 | warmi | I used it without any problems so far |
| 04:28:43 | kergoth | mkipks doesnt sanity check the control file |
| 04:28:56 | alphablue | hmm is ipkg still like buggy ? |
| 04:28:57 | kergoth | if you make a typo, for example, you could have an ipk thats useless and no one can install |
| 04:28:59 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:29:04 | kergoth | alphablue: not really |
| 04:29:07 | kergoth | alphablue: oipkg is. ipkg isnt. |
| 04:29:19 | warmi | yeah... I know but I don't make typos :-) |
| 04:29:22 | siriusnov | sup |
| 04:29:23 | kergoth | hah |
| 04:29:26 | siriusnov | I love my zaurus! |
| 04:29:30 | warmi | seriously, I had no major problems so far with mkipk |
| 04:29:40 | siriusnov | tkcplayer + zaurus = kick ass audio player =) |
| 04:29:44 | warmi | just trying to figure out how to get it to incorporate postinst script |
| 04:30:15 | MSpin | kergoth: I don't have an easy way to get it off, besides, my Z is not well |
| 04:30:20 | alphablue | well it keeps failing to install with update or even installing one package by itself |
| 04:30:34 | alphablue | atleast not to the /mnt/card (my sd card) .. |
| 04:30:40 | kergoth | alphablue: update your oipkg. the one in oz3 b10 is a piece of shit |
| 04:30:48 | kergoth | alphablue: ipkg update; ipkg upgrade; |
| 04:30:59 | kergoth | alphablue: er i mean ipkg update; ipkg install opie-update; |
| 04:31:03 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:31:13 | warmi | kergoth: you still want that dmesg ? |
| 04:31:44 | alphablue | ahh |
| 04:31:54 | alphablue | ok it's doing removing package... blahblahblah .. |
| 04:32:01 | alphablue | now install ing opie-taskbar |
| 04:32:03 | kergoth | warmi: sure. email to kergoth@digitalnemesis.net if you would |
| 04:32:07 | alphablue | nifty |
| 04:32:07 | kergoth | brb, need to reboot.. |
| 04:33:07 | warmi | yeah, it went out |
| 04:37:34 | alphablue | sweet HP Liquid on the Z |
| 04:37:40 | whardier | heh |
| 04:39:46 | DiamondD | hi i have a problem, just installed apps onmy new SL-5500 now it wont boot |
| 04:39:48 | DiamondD | HELP |
| 04:40:42 | DiamondD | it just loops at a black bootup screen, saying respawning too fast waiting 5 mninutes |
| 04:41:02 | DiamondD | can i reset to factiry defaults |
| 04:41:24 | sig_zaurus | howdy folks |
| 04:41:24 | warmi | yeah |
| 04:41:28 | DiamondD | how |
| 04:41:32 | warmi | just do hard reset |
| 04:41:41 | DiamondD | how |
| 04:41:49 | sig_zaurus | DiamondD: open the battery panel and press that button |
| 04:41:59 | warmi | remove battery cover and press that little button |
| 04:42:03 | warmi | or something like that |
| 04:42:22 | DiamondD | i see it |
| 04:42:24 | DiamondD | :) |
| 04:42:55 | DiamondD | i love this, just got it tonight |
| 04:43:01 | sig_zaurus | cool beans |
| 04:43:02 | DiamondD | installed a couple apps |
| 04:43:10 | DiamondD | and no she wont boot up |
| 04:43:22 | sig_zaurus | you want to see a cool ass screenshot of my z being run on vncserver DiamondD? |
| 04:43:42 | DiamondD | yes |
| 04:43:49 | DiamondD | i wana set that up too |
| 04:43:56 | sig | DiamondD: dcc dude |
| 04:44:06 | sig | accept it |
| 04:44:52 | sig | you see it? |
| 04:44:56 | DiamondD | send again |
| 04:45:03 | sig | you didn't accept it |
| 04:45:05 | sig | it is still there |
| 04:45:08 | DiamondD | i did |
| 04:45:11 | DiamondD | it didnt come |
| 04:45:16 | sig | no you didn't |
| 04:45:25 | sig | --- Offering vncz.jpg to DiamondD |
| 04:45:43 | sig | taps his foot waiting |
| 04:45:53 | sig | ok I'm canceling it in like 5 seconds |
| 04:45:58 | sig | 5 |
| 04:46:00 | sig | 4 |
| 04:46:01 | sig | 3 |
| 04:46:03 | sig | 2 |
| 04:46:04 | sig | 1 |
| 04:46:06 | sig | too late |
| 04:46:11 | DiamondD | it isnt working |
| 04:46:16 | DiamondD | sorry |
| 04:46:27 | DiamondD | thanks, i did manage to hard reset, wow, that sucked |
| 04:46:32 | DiamondD | thankfully im back |
| 04:46:33 | sig | heh |
| 04:46:45 | sig | you got to put all your crap back on that thing now |
| 04:46:50 | DiamondD | cani connectto the Internet and grab mail |
| 04:46:55 | DiamondD | using te cradle |
| 04:46:57 | sig | yes |
| 04:47:03 | DiamondD | not a lan adapter |
| 04:47:08 | sig | yeah you can |
| 04:47:17 | DiamondD | i tried, will again, |
| 04:47:22 | sig | didn't your zaurus come with a manual |
| 04:47:31 | DiamondD | do you need anything besides what comes built in |
| 04:47:31 | sig | read through it |
| 04:47:34 | sig | carefully |
| 04:47:43 | DiamondD | yea, i set up the connection to a T |
| 04:47:57 | DiamondD | boy just didnt work, i figured i needd the CF LAN Adapter |
| 04:48:11 | sig | no, you can sync it to your outlook express |
| 04:48:20 | DiamondD | ohh cool |
| 04:48:21 | DiamondD | :) |
| 04:48:28 | DiamondD | what about Web Browsing |
| 04:48:31 | sig | yeah, just read through that manual |
| 04:48:44 | sig | well probably not until you get a CF netcard |
| 04:48:55 | sig | SirPsycho-home: |
| 04:48:58 | sig | you around dude |
| 04:48:58 | DiamondD | and , i was looking , is there an easyway to throw out, trash files? |
| 04:49:11 | DiamondD | i didnt see how to move from CF or CD to built in ram |
| 04:49:17 | sig | hold your stylus on the apps you want to delet |
| 04:49:18 | sig | e |
| 04:49:25 | DiamondD | ahhh |
| 04:49:32 | DiamondD | ill have to read more of teh manual |
| 04:49:35 | DiamondD | RTFM right |
| 04:49:38 | DiamondD | haahaha |
| 04:49:39 | sig | yeah, heh |
| 04:49:42 | DiamondD | \i love this device |
| 04:49:53 | DiamondD | i had a Handspring Visor Platinum |
| 04:49:56 | DiamondD | and now upgraded |
| 04:50:06 | DiamondD | have a 256 Meg CF and a 32 meg SD/MMC card |
| 04:50:09 | DiamondD | so im happy |
| 04:50:13 | whardier | awww |
| 04:50:15 | whardier | kess is a sweety |
| 04:50:27 | sig | whardier: kess? |
| 04:50:37 | sig | whardier: did i ever send you this sshot? |
| 04:51:04 | whardier | err |
| 04:51:05 | whardier | I dunno |
| 04:51:06 | whardier | heh |
| 04:51:12 | sig | here, I'll dcc it to ya |
| 04:51:26 | sig | k, on its way |
| 04:51:47 | whardier | ok |
| 04:51:50 | whardier | heh |
| 04:51:51 | whardier | quit that |
| 04:51:56 | whardier | it tickles |
| 04:52:03 | sig | accept it |
| 04:52:10 | whardier | do it again! |
| 04:52:10 | sig | --- Offering vncz.jpg to whardier |
| 04:52:10 | sig | <sig> k, on its way |
| 04:52:13 | sig | damn |
| 04:52:21 | whardier | or set up a web server |
| 04:52:33 | sig | --- Offering vncz.jpg to whardier |
| 04:52:45 | sig | I have a webserver, this is easier than cp'ing it to it |
| 04:53:09 | whardier | much |
| 04:53:15 | whardier | surprised you did not use it! |
| 04:53:40 | sig | you didn't grab it |
| 04:53:57 | whardier | you didn't post a link |
| 04:54:19 | sig | whardier: its called dcc |
| 04:54:38 | whardier | its called firewall |
| 04:58:00 | whardier | sing ger |
| 05:01:33 | DiamondD | sig: |
| 05:01:38 | DiamondD | i just did it again |
| 05:01:40 | sig | what |
| 05:01:44 | DiamondD | installed olie-taskbar |
| 05:01:54 | DiamondD | to RAM , not CF or SD |
| 05:02:03 | DiamondD | it then rebooted an dnow in a loop |
| 05:02:12 | DiamondD | do i not install packages to RAM |
| 05:02:25 | sig | most of them yeah |
| 05:02:33 | DiamondD | yea, what |
| 05:02:39 | DiamondD | where do i install most of my apps |
| 05:02:41 | sig | yeah install your apps to ram |
| 05:02:55 | DiamondD | ijust did , and it messed up my zaurus :( |
| 05:02:57 | DiamondD | again |
| 05:03:01 | DiamondD | HARD REBOOT |
| 05:03:06 | sig | what are you trying to install? |
| 05:03:16 | DiamondD | a taskbar prog called |
| 05:03:31 | DiamondD | opie-taskbar |
| 05:03:36 | DiamondD | is it not a right app |
| 05:04:43 | whardier | TIRED! |
| 05:04:43 | DiamondD | hey before i start instaling a bunch a stuff, do i need to update , flash teh OS |
| 05:04:48 | DiamondD | or anything>? |
| 05:09:41 | alphablue | can i format my cf card as ext2 and then try to mount it on the zaurus ? (openzaurus?) |
| 05:19:59 | exsxe | i never thought thati would be ircing from a pda |
| 05:51:19 | ][N-Flux | is away: Bed... |
| 05:59:56 | DiamondD | What are some good places to download software, freeware, shareware and Trialware? |
| 06:00:00 | W|GGL|T | is away: nite all...cya onna flipside! |
| 06:05:06 | DiamondD | anyone know of a service like AvantGO where you can sync up to the top news stories and web related stuff, liek 2 megs at a time, for offline viewing |
| 06:31:03 | sig | http://members.cox.net/image.server/nat-portman-pikey.jpg |
| 11:00:35 | smatt | considers building a new rom to fix tinylogin perms and upgrade busybox...anyone done this already? |
| 12:08:11 | nemui-chan | howdy |
| 12:39:46 | ][N-Flux | is away: winfax is pain in my hairy ass |
| 13:01:50 | benmeyer | in kbill in opie qApp->quit() is used |
| 13:01:54 | benmeyer | it shouldn't be |
| 13:07:15 | ljp_studio | ?? |
| 13:08:04 | benmeyer | close() should be used |
| 13:26:28 | nadav_ | is gone.. autoaway after 15 min ..[cyp(l/on.p/on)] |
| 13:35:11 | nems | Howdy |
| 13:35:32 | darienm | hi-dee hoe |
| 14:14:11 | ljp_ | slow Tuesday, eh? |
| 14:14:31 | darienm | seems |
| 14:14:46 | darienm | Not too slow on ZSI, lots of relases last 24 hours. |
| 14:15:31 | cranch | the party can now start |
| 14:17:12 | ljp_ | anyone using bitchx? heh |
| 14:17:28 | Twiun | which one? |
| 14:17:32 | cranch | not I |
| 14:18:04 | cranch | when is BigBoss gonna get here so we can find out when the Divx player comes out |
| 14:18:43 | zecke | cranch: get xine |
| 14:18:44 | nemui-chan | Heya'll. |
| 14:18:57 | nemui-chan | sighs at his ugly sirc. Stupid BX backdoors. |
| 14:19:14 | cranch | for the Z? |
| 14:19:16 | ljp_ | twuin: the trojaned one |
| 14:19:55 | alphablue | recompiles redhat kernel.. hopefully usb will finally work |
| 14:19:56 | nemui-chan | BitchX? No, for x86. |
| 14:20:27 | alphablue | use irssi |
| 14:20:49 | Twiun | ljp_: Haha |
| 14:21:02 | nemui-chan | irssi? I havent heard of it I dont think |
| 14:21:10 | alphablue | irssi.linuxpowered.com |
| 14:21:30 | alphablue | very powerful client, has automatic windows etc. |
| 14:21:34 | alphablue | or join #irssi |
| 14:21:48 | nemui-chan | Yet another remote crash found. |
| 14:21:54 | alphablue | ? |
| 14:21:55 | nemui-chan | Thats the first news on irssi... thats kind of scary... ;p |
| 14:22:07 | alphablue | but atleast they tell u straight up front |
| 14:22:12 | nemui-chan | hehe.. thats true. ;) |
| 14:22:15 | ljp_ | hehe 'Shopping List Manager" ?? |
| 14:22:25 | alphablue | ahh june 19th.. thats old |
| 14:22:48 | nemui-chan | Right.. but there isnt anything saying its fixed yet either ;) |
| 14:23:07 | alphablue | well your mission is to find the exploit and use it against me :) |
| 14:23:37 | nemui-chan | lol.. . sorry. I skipped the script kiddy phase. ;) |
| 14:24:25 | alphablue | :) |
| 14:24:42 | nems | This is better colorwise at least than sirc. |
| 14:24:51 | alphablue | heh i was wondering how i was able to d/l the 85 src so fast.. then i realized.. doh !!! that website is on my own server |
| 14:25:00 | nems | lol |
| 14:25:05 | darienm | ljp_: Making fun of Shopping List Manager ?? |
| 14:25:17 | alphablue | heh d/l then meant copying from 1 partition to another |
| 14:25:34 | nems | Hrm |
| 14:25:45 | nems | This is kind of weird. |
| 14:25:45 | ljp_ | yes, because I never use a shopping list. ;) If I had a wife it might come inhandy tho |
| 14:25:46 | alphablue | see my message ? |
| 14:25:52 | nems | Me? |
| 14:25:55 | alphablue | yes |
| 14:26:01 | nems | No.. I'm trying to figure out how to turn message windows off. |
| 14:26:01 | alphablue | u have a new hidden window opened |
| 14:26:05 | alphablue | o |
| 14:26:12 | nems | And how do I turn to it? |
| 14:26:17 | nems | I'd raather everything pop up here ;p |
| 14:26:22 | darienm | ljp_: maybe when you get a wife, some kids, and a car in need of repair, and begin to wear out your clothes you might find it useful. :) |
| 14:26:29 | alphablue | press alt 1 2 3 4 5 the # being the specific window |
| 14:26:33 | nems | lol |
| 14:26:40 | nems | That moves me to different x sessions ;) |
| 14:26:46 | nems | I'm using a command line tool through ssh |
| 14:26:48 | nems | while in X |
| 14:26:48 | alphablue | ahh you're using wm or something |
| 14:26:58 | alphablue | ctrl w 1 2 3 4 5 |
| 14:27:13 | ljp_ | darienm: yes.. but for now, all I do is sit at the computer, naked, get pizza delivered and work on code :D |
| 14:27:14 | nems | try messaging me agian? |
| 14:27:16 | alphablue | actually duh!!! |
| 14:27:20 | alphablue | do /window 1 2 3 4 5 |
| 14:27:35 | uncon | could i get some help? |
| 14:27:41 | darienm | ljp_: that's fine, but don't make fun of the rest of us who might like to keep the fridge stocked with goodies. |
| 14:27:42 | nems | Got it ;) |
| 14:27:42 | cranch | what up uncon |
| 14:27:43 | alphablue | #irssi is a good place for help for the client nems |
| 14:27:56 | uncon | i have an sl-5500 and i flashed openzaurus to it |
| 14:28:02 | nems | I'm just trying to remmber what the hours format is for timestmap :) |
| 14:28:12 | cranch | k |
| 14:28:18 | alphablue | h H |
| 14:28:22 | uncon | it won't recognize my eth CF card |
| 14:28:32 | nems | h keeps showing July |
| 14:28:33 | cranch | eth as in ethernet |
| 14:28:36 | nems | H .. there we go |
| 14:28:37 | uncon | yeah |
| 14:28:42 | ljp_ | darienm: is shopping list your app? |
| 14:28:44 | nems | god damn my boxes time is wrong. |
| 14:28:46 | alphablue | brb |
| 14:28:54 | uncon | i have a TE-CF100 |
| 14:28:58 | benmeyer | BitchX has a back door. |
| 14:29:01 | benmeyer | fun fun |
| 14:29:02 | darienm | ljp_: no, but I did the icon and helped with testing and documentation. |
| 14:29:05 | uncon | "TRENDnet" |
| 14:29:05 | cranch | has never used openzaurus...sorry |
| 14:29:10 | nems | benmeyer: : Ya... thats why I'm learning a new irc client :/ |
| 14:29:31 | darienm | ljp_: so I'm curious when someone says its not [necessarily] useful |
| 14:29:37 | alphablue | miss me ? |
| 14:29:53 | nems | heh |
| 14:29:55 | ljp_ | darienm: ahhh, well, dont take my poking fun at it personally, ok:) |
| 14:29:57 | uncon | how can i flash the original sharp rom back to my device? |
| 14:30:05 | alphablue | i love the auto joins etc |
| 14:30:10 | nems | /SET autocreate_own_query OFF |
| 14:30:13 | nems | oops |
| 14:30:16 | ljp_ | darienm: oh I can see where it _would_ be useful |
| 14:30:21 | darienm | ljp_: Not at all, I'm working with the developer on version 2 features. |
| 14:30:25 | nems | alphablue: I cant get it to turn off message windows. |
| 14:30:38 | alphablue | nems, i use the default settings for most stuff |
| 14:30:40 | alphablue | try #irssi |
| 14:30:53 | nems | I will when I have more time.. I'm at work right now ;) |
| 14:31:23 | ljp_ | darienm: I just never use shopping lists, I go in.. see what I am hungry for, want to wear, whatever.. and get out, fast.. I hate shopping, unless its for electronics |
| 14:31:25 | DiamondD | how do i view AVI video on Zaurus |
| 14:31:36 | nems | amen ljp ;) |
| 14:32:00 | nems | Hrmm.. my perl script is 75k characters :/ |
| 14:33:03 | DiamondD | i want to try that PALM Emulator , where do i get a Palm M505 rom |
| 14:33:06 | darienm | its small then. |
| 14:33:18 | darienm | DiamondD: I can help |
| 14:33:25 | DiamondD | thanks |
| 14:33:31 | nems | darienm: 75k is small? lol. what the hell kind of perl do you write? ;) |
| 14:33:35 | uncon | you can get it from their site |
| 14:33:39 | uncon | (the palm rom) |
| 14:33:40 | nems | Its 1800 lines.. lol |
| 14:33:56 | nems | Yup.. but you have to sign up for their development program and wait for them to approve you, DiamondD |
| 14:34:14 | DiamondD | can someone send me the rom |
| 14:34:21 | nems | Nope. |
| 14:34:24 | nems | Thats HUGELY against the rules. |
| 14:34:33 | DiamondD | and also AVI PLayer, MP3 PLayer etc |
| 14:34:33 | nems | Serious pirating offense, blah blah blah. |
| 14:34:37 | DiamondD | divx players? |
| 14:34:42 | nems | Divx players are in the works. |
| 14:34:52 | nems | mp3 player you can download yourself if you look around. ;) |
| 14:35:18 | DiamondD | what are soem of teh popular mp3 PLayers |
| 14:35:27 | nems | opiemediaplayer is what I use |
| 14:35:34 | darienm | nems: i write some large-scale apps in perl |
| 14:35:37 | nems | but I thnk its just for openzaurus |
| 14:35:48 | nems | darienm: right, but most arent that size. ;) |
| 14:35:55 | uncon | can someone point me to a sharp rom i can flash to a sl-5500? |
| 14:35:57 | darienm | nems: I agree. |
| 14:36:02 | ljp_ | opieplayer will also work on sharp roms.. |
| 14:36:08 | DiamondD | nems: is opiemedia freeware |
| 14:36:11 | DiamondD | can you sednd |
| 14:36:15 | nems | darienm: Right now I'm writing a tool to let content people submit their content and let us approve it and take it through the format/edit/final approval process. For that and pdfs. (I work for the government. ick) |
| 14:36:20 | nems | ljp: Cool.. didnt know that ;) |
| 14:36:31 | nems | DiamondD: yes it is, but no I cant. Just search on the web. Google is your friend. |
| 14:36:37 | DiamondD | k |
| 14:36:43 | uncon | nems, are you use'n oz3 beta 10? |
| 14:36:45 | nems | I dont have it on this machine to send. Its on my zaurus ;) |
| 14:36:47 | ljp_ | just need libopie, and probably want libmadplaugin for mp3 streaming |
| 14:36:48 | nems | uncon: yup |
| 14:36:57 | nems | ljp: Does it work with mp3.com now? |
| 14:37:04 | uncon | nems, where do you get you ipks? |
| 14:37:11 | ljp_ | dont know.. mp3 uses lots of redirects |
| 14:37:15 | nems | ljp: I know someone made the changes but harlequin and them were arguing over whether it was 'broken' |
| 14:37:18 | ljp_ | mp3.com that is |
| 14:37:29 | nems | uncon: openzaurus.sourceforge.net feeds and zauruszone feeds. |
| 14:38:21 | uncon | nems, you use an CF ethernet card? |
| 14:41:08 | uncon | [sigh] |
| 14:44:38 | nems | uncon: Yes... sorry ;) |
| 14:44:47 | nems | uncon: got pulled away. (I'm at work so it happens a lot) |
| 14:44:51 | nems | Oh.. cf ethernet |
| 14:44:51 | nems | no |
| 14:44:56 | nems | I use cf wireless. |
| 14:45:29 | uncon | oh |
| 14:45:43 | uncon | do you happen to know what kernel drivers they might have pulled on oz? |
| 14:46:16 | uncon | (my nic used to work on the sharp rom) |
| 14:46:51 | nems | I'm really not sure... Kergoth would be the best one to ask about that, I think. |
| 14:47:31 | uncon | k, thanks |
| 14:47:49 | W|GGL|T | damn...roadrunner is slow today |
| 14:47:51 | uncon | do you know if there is any way to go back to the sharp rom? |
| 14:47:57 | W|GGL|T | is back (gone 08:47:55) |
| 14:50:22 | uncon | and, where can i see a detailed changelog or even the sources for the oz kernel? |
| 14:53:23 | BigBoss | howdy ho |
| 14:57:02 | ljp_ | hi shawny |
| 14:57:19 | cranch | hey bigboss |
| 14:57:21 | cranch | welcome back |
| 14:57:26 | darienm | FYI: Palm ROMS are on this page: http://www.clubepalmdownload.hpg.ig.com.br/ |
| 14:57:28 | cranch | any releases coming? |
| 15:00:28 | benmeyer | in a web page how do you keep the text spacing etc? |
| 15:00:36 | benmeyer | in the normal txt file |
| 15:00:59 | treke_ | <pre></pre> |
| 15:01:12 | extremis | BigBoss: todo app? |
| 15:01:36 | benmeyer | many thanks treke_ |
| 15:02:05 | BigBoss | extremis: it's being worked on |
| 15:02:25 | nems | Heya bossman |
| 15:02:45 | nems | BigBoss: I like your phone book. However I hate that when you register to purchase stuff you get put on your guys mailing list. ;) |
| 15:03:21 | cranch | Boss..what about Divx |
| 15:05:06 | whardier | wow |
| 15:05:11 | whardier | strolls down memory lane |
| 15:05:31 | whardier | today reminds me of the perfect day to just hang out with my legos all day |
| 15:07:32 | nems | hehe |
| 15:08:51 | uncon | nems, is there a cvs for oz? |
| 15:09:18 | BigBoss | nems: I'm trying to get the webmaster to modify it so you can select to sign up at that time |
| 15:09:24 | BigBoss | cranch: also being worked on |
| 15:09:47 | BigBoss | cranch: yesterday there was still a corner case memory leak we wanted to nail |
| 15:14:12 | nems | BigBoss: : Cool.. Just pointing it out. ;) |
| 15:14:30 | nems | uncon: of course... I think you can find all the info for it at opie.info |
| 15:14:40 | nems | Anyone use vim with a scroll mouse? |
| 15:15:10 | uncon | nems, than ks, i got it |
| 15:15:36 | nems | uncon: np |
| 15:20:29 | W|GGL|T | hrmmm...www.reactivelinux.com is down |
| 15:21:32 | W|GGL|T | OZ page is down? |
| 15:22:52 | uncon | been down |
| 15:23:41 | W|GGL|T | ahhh |
| 15:23:48 | W|GGL|T | thanks for the confirmation |
| 15:23:56 | uncon | heh, np |
| 15:24:03 | uncon | and, definatly not my pleasure |
| 15:26:11 | W|GGL|T | that's nice to hear |
| 15:28:21 | nems | heya warmi, xavier |
| 15:28:39 | XavierXeon | hello |
| 15:29:34 | XavierXeon | i am trying to run jed on the z. cannot get any syntax coloring though. any ideas ? |
| 15:29:47 | warmi | hi |
| 15:29:59 | kergoth | mornin |
| 15:32:42 | whardier | mornin |
| 15:32:47 | uncon | kergoth, can you help me for a minute? |
| 15:32:52 | whardier | wow |
| 15:33:02 | whardier | I can get 72 hours of unlimited psychic advice |
| 15:33:02 | whardier | !! |
| 15:33:18 | whardier | wonders if he could make a warp core with that |
| 15:33:27 | BigBoss | I think that won't be enough for you |
| 15:33:50 | ljp_ | if a psychic was real, they'd know to call ME when I wanted one |
| 15:34:01 | whardier | hehehe |
| 15:34:04 | whardier | hates span |
| 15:34:06 | whardier | spam |
| 15:34:08 | whardier | and loves spam |
| 15:34:10 | whardier | ah |
| 15:34:14 | whardier | what cruel world we live in |
| 15:34:38 | cranch | thanks for the update boss..you guys gonna have some advice on suggested encoding and stuff? |
| 15:34:40 | ljp_ | I can send you all my spam, if you wish |
| 15:35:59 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:36:10 | kergoth | uncon: what do you need? |
| 15:36:15 | kergoth | re whardier, ljp |
| 15:36:17 | BigBoss | cranch: we might sell an app that will convert a movie into the format needed for the Z in terms of screen rez |
| 15:36:31 | whardier | man |
| 15:36:34 | whardier | what a perfect day! |
| 15:36:52 | ljp_ | kergoth: did you ever cvs up that jffs2 fix? |
| 15:37:18 | cranch | Sweet! |
| 15:37:23 | cranch | that would be excellent |
| 15:38:17 | kergoth | ljp_: it doesnt go into 2.4.6 cleanly. |
| 15:38:44 | kergoth | ljp_: hey the 2.5.x kernel actually fires up the serial port and dumps shit out it. fun stuff. |
| 15:39:36 | kergoth | hmm |
| 15:39:38 | kergoth | make[2]: *** [openzaurus_ipkextract] Error 139 |
| 15:39:49 | kergoth | error 139.. something make called segfaulted |
| 15:39:52 | kergoth | damnit |
| 15:39:58 | ljp_ | hmmm |
| 15:40:02 | uncon | grr |
| 15:40:20 | kergoth | now it wont create a new rootfs for oz. stupid shit |
| 15:40:35 | whardier | kergoth: I wanna play with 2.5.18 |
| 15:40:38 | uncon | kergoth, can i ask you a question about the oz kernel..? |
| 15:40:38 | warmi | kergoth: is awk available on the zaurus ? |
| 15:41:01 | warmi | I don't have Z with me |
| 15:41:29 | XavierXeon | warmi: awk is available from sourceforge.net, not in default rom |
| 15:42:03 | XavierXeon | sharp rom that is |
| 15:42:05 | kergoth | uncon: ask away |
| 15:42:20 | warmi | thanks |
| 15:42:32 | uncon | kergoth, i just flashed the oz 3(beta 10) rom, and now my cf nic isn't working... |
| 15:42:34 | kergoth | whardier: its crashing before it reaches serial console. the serial output i'm getting is from the DEBUG_LL functions for low level debugging... |
| 15:42:47 | uncon | kergoth, were there any nic drivers removed from the kernel? |
| 15:42:48 | kergoth | uncon: what chipset? you probably just need a card entry |
| 15:43:01 | uncon | i believe it's a ne2k compatable |
| 15:43:12 | kergoth | no |
| 15:43:14 | kergoth | what card is it? |
| 15:43:17 | kergoth | specifically |
| 15:43:22 | kergoth | i dont care what its compatible with, i want to know what it is |
| 15:43:25 | kergoth | Installing kernel-modules (2.4.6-rmk1-np2-embedix-20011228-4b) |
| 15:43:25 | kergoth | Configuring kernel-modules...Done |
| 15:43:26 | uncon | TE-CF100 |
| 15:43:26 | kergoth | make[2]: *** [openzaurus_ipkextract] Error 139 |
| 15:43:30 | kergoth | wtf? |
| 15:43:35 | whardier | http://www.hyperlinktech.com/web/ha2410.html I want one! |
| 15:43:40 | uncon | TRENDnet |
| 15:44:50 | uncon | whardier, go ahead and get me one too |
| 15:45:06 | whardier | heh |
| 15:45:22 | uncon | kergoth, http://www.trendware.com/products/TE-CF100.htm |
| 15:45:53 | kergoth | uncon: yep, already there. google you know |
| 15:46:02 | uncon | heh, yeah. |
| 15:46:14 | uncon | that's where i grabbed it... |
| 15:46:15 | kergoth | uncon: run dmesg on the Z. what does the pcmcia subsystem say (specifically, what messages from cardmgr)? |
| 15:46:26 | uncon | says it's unrecognized |
| 15:46:32 | kergoth | the exact error, if you would |
| 15:46:34 | uncon | i'll get the exact msg in about 10 seconds |
| 15:46:35 | kergoth | hehe |
| 15:46:36 | kergoth | k |
| 15:47:53 | BigBoss | so LinuxJournal has a long, positive story about the Zaurus |
| 15:48:40 | kergoth | morning Sniper |
| 15:48:50 | uncon | Socket 0: |
| 15:49:11 | uncon | product info: "Fast EThernet", "CF Size PC Card", "1.0" |
| 15:49:19 | warmi | BigBoss: not very surprising ... |
| 15:49:30 | uncon | manfid: 0x0149, 0xc1ab |
| 15:49:33 | BigBoss | glad to hear it |
| 15:49:40 | uncon | function: 6 (network) |
| 15:49:40 | dupedAgain | hey anoyne have the api for the zaurus camera? |
| 15:49:50 | Sniper | i do |
| 15:49:51 | BigBoss | although I don't know where he got tkcJabber for the review, I can't find him in our database |
| 15:50:02 | dupedAgain | sniper you do? |
| 15:50:06 | Sniper | yes |
| 15:50:11 | dupedAgain | can you send it pleaze? |
| 15:50:20 | dupedAgain | or tell me where to get it ? |
| 15:50:21 | BigBoss | I've asked for a zaurus camera for a long time to see if there was an interface we could/should do for tkcGallery, but couldn't get one :( |
| 15:50:24 | Sniper | give me ur email |
| 15:50:47 | BigBoss | Sniper: send it to me too |
| 15:50:49 | BigBoss | please |
| 15:50:52 | dupedAgain | heh |
| 15:50:57 | Sniper | bb: what's your email again? |
| 15:51:05 | uncon | BigBoss, are you associated with tkc? |
| 15:51:13 | warmi | hehe |
| 15:51:13 | dupedAgain | whats tkcGallery? |
| 15:51:23 | nems | heh |
| 15:51:28 | uncon | ker, did you get that? |
| 15:51:29 | Sniper | wait.. i found it |
| 15:51:34 | Sniper | anyone else want the camera API? |
| 15:51:38 | uncon | kergoth, did you get that? |
| 15:51:42 | dupedAgain | you got my email right sniper? |
| 15:51:42 | BigBoss | www.thekompany.com/embedded/tkcgallery |
| 15:51:47 | dupedAgain | thanks |
| 15:51:48 | Sniper | yes |
| 15:51:56 | warmi | uncon .. |
| 15:51:57 | dupedAgain | thanks a bunch man |
| 15:52:04 | | hmmm... BigBoss is the president of TheKompany |
| 15:52:04 | warmi | ibot: BigBoss |
| 15:52:15 | dupedAgain | 10 DOllars! |
| 15:52:19 | dupedAgain | good lord! |
| 15:52:20 | kergoth | uncon: the card information is not the errors. |
| 15:52:22 | dupedAgain | haha |
| 15:52:53 | BigBoss | 10 Dollars is outrageos, it is only $9.95 |
| 15:52:55 | BigBoss | :) |
| 15:53:00 | dupedAgain | aaag |
| 15:53:06 | BigBoss | and the more software you buy, the bigger the discount |
| 15:53:08 | dupedAgain | i wont pay a penny over 9 94 |
| 15:53:21 | uncon | kergoth, dmesg isn't showing anything from cardmgr.. |
| 15:53:25 | Sniper | sent |
| 15:53:45 | kergoth | uncon: do this. run syslogd; klogd; re-insert the card. look in /var/log/messages |
| 15:54:17 | dupedAgain | BigBoss: is that in c? |
| 15:54:33 | BigBoss | C++ |
| 15:54:42 | dupedAgain | kewl |
| 15:54:43 | Sniper | anyone working on an ebook reader compatible with MS or Adobe formats? |
| 15:54:44 | dupedAgain | looks nice |
| 15:55:11 | HrAbbey | Sniper: encryption and DMCA and all that makes it tricky... |
| 15:55:13 | treke | wouldnt mind an Adobe reader |
| 15:55:20 | treke | MS is straight out though :) |
| 15:55:36 | Sniper | hrabbey: is it too difficult? |
| 15:55:38 | HrAbbey | What, no double rot13 encoding? ;) |
| 15:55:48 | Sniper | is it feasible? |
| 15:56:10 | HrAbbey | Sniper: I haven't a clue, but threat of lawsuits make people worry. Plus, with Doc and text, no real need, IMHO. |
| 15:56:10 | treke | the adobe format isnt too tough, but after the whole Skylov thing, I doubt anyone would touch it with a 10 foot pole |
| 15:56:17 | Twiun | Specs for the MS one aren't published afaik |
| 15:56:35 | Sniper | Ok.. my management has asked me if we had one.. |
| 15:56:42 | nems | That would be nice though. |
| 15:56:54 | warmi | is there MS reader for Palm ? |
| 15:56:56 | treke | Sniper : contact adobe, they might be willing to write one. |
| 15:57:01 | Sniper | i saw QTReader.. but they want to know if someone gets a book from Amazon, do we have a reader that will work |
| 15:57:03 | treke | warmi : WinCE only I think |
| 15:57:07 | HrAbbey | Nicer wouild be a desktop MS reader file to HTML / txt converstion program. |
| 15:57:10 | Sniper | treke: ok - will do |
| 15:57:18 | XavierXeon | BigBoss: send you a copy of email transfer to mike regarding tkcRekall ? |
| 15:57:54 | treke | Adobe seems to have this silly idea that the more people who use their format, the better off they are :) |
| 15:58:07 | warmi | BigBoss: you used to have "hidden" URL to bunch of screenshots of your embedded MS Access like app ? do you still have that URL ? |
| 15:58:08 | BigBoss | XX: huh? |
| 15:58:17 | dupedAgain | man camera api is small! |
| 15:58:20 | BigBoss | warmi: yes |
| 15:58:29 | BigBoss | XX: I'm talking to Mike in Jabber right now |
| 15:58:29 | warmi | can you post it ? |
| 15:59:16 | BigBoss | http://www.seriesone.net/Z/rekall.html |
| 15:59:29 | XavierXeon | BigBoss: have not sent him anything yet. just wanted to know if i should cc emails to you |
| 15:59:40 | warmi | thanks a lot |
| 15:59:52 | BigBoss | XX: doesn't matter, you can if you want |
| 15:59:58 | XavierXeon | ok |
| 16:01:07 | Sniper | brb |
| 16:07:55 | dupedAgain | so Sniper: there is the api... is there any code i need? |
| 16:12:22 | nems | brb |
| 16:26:08 | toolafial | hey, what happened to ogg123 for the zaurus, all the links for it are broken |
| 16:26:54 | ljp_ | they decided ogg wasn't a very good file format, so they quit ;) |
| 16:27:33 | toolafial | I though ogg was the future of digital audio |
| 16:27:43 | toolafial | s/though/thought |
| 16:28:38 | ljp_ | I was joking.. it may be in some circles, but I seriuosly doubt it will get very big at all |
| 16:28:58 | toolafial | ha |
| 16:29:32 | BigBoss | I'm going to be debuting the first entirely ogg based internet radio station later this month |
| 16:30:06 | toolafial | I've found that at much lower bitrates ogg files sound as good as higher bitrate mp3's |
| 16:31:39 | ljp_ | but its not really a matter of a better codec.. its about patents, licensing and company support |
| 16:32:02 | ljp_ | and money |
| 16:32:07 | tux_mike | worldcom is up by 16.5%!!! :) |
| 16:32:23 | tux_mike | they are up a penny! :) |
| 16:32:33 | dupedAgain | haha |
| 16:36:01 | dupedAgain | anyone use swt with the zaurus? |
| 16:38:27 | Twiun | dupedAgain: I haven't... what's the jar size? |
| 16:40:59 | dupedAgain | dunno |
| 16:41:07 | Twiun | bah ;-) |
| 16:41:07 | dupedAgain | i havent even seen if it exists |
| 16:41:12 | dupedAgain | :) |
| 16:41:18 | dupedAgain | thats what i was trying to ask |
| 16:41:34 | Twiun | dupedAgain: I know Eclipse uses it, but that's about it - I'm not aware of it living as a separate project |
| 16:45:55 | XavierXeon | dupedAgain: before i get it wrong : swt is not swing ? |
| 16:46:55 | Twiun | XavierXeon: nope, swt is AnotherLightweightToolkit(tm) used in the Eclipse ide by ibm & al |
| 16:47:08 | Twiun | supposedly less heavy than swing |
| 16:48:06 | Twiun | haven't tried it yet though |
| 16:48:10 | XavierXeon | hmm...only seen swing for the z. sorry folks |
| 16:49:09 | Twiun | XavierXeon: yup, I've got that in my faq |
| 16:50:53 | Twiun | anyways... goin' home now, bbl |
| 16:52:06 | rev|work | hey all |
| 16:52:48 | rev|work | can you rotate the display on the zaurus under qtopia? |
| 16:52:54 | rev|work | like you can on the Newton? |
| 16:53:47 | XavierXeon | http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=39939 qpe_extra1.zip contains the rotation ipks (you have to install both) |
| 16:54:05 | rev|work | ah cool |
| 16:54:07 | rev|work | :) |
| 16:54:28 | rev|work | don't have a zaurus (yet), just curious as a factor in deciding whether or not i get one :) |
| 16:55:24 | XavierXeon | rev|work: if you want a pda buy a palm, if you want a real computer buy a zaurus |
| 16:55:39 | rev|work | i want both |
| 16:56:00 | rev|work | palm devices are way to primitive |
| 16:56:20 | W|GGL|T | the Z functions well as a PIM, just don't expect Palm-type PIM functionality |
| 16:56:27 | rev|work | my newt is both a pda and a real computer, and i'm hoping that a Z can too |
| 16:56:34 | rev|work | well, i don't use the PIM functions heavily |
| 16:56:58 | kergoth | course the advantage with the Z is, if the pim stuff isnt doing what you want, its open source, you can make it do what you want |
| 16:56:58 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:56:59 | XavierXeon | agres with W|GGL|T |
| 16:57:03 | rev|work | i largely use my newton for the things i would use my desktop for, but away from being tied down by laptop battery life, size, &c... email, coding, irc, &c |
| 16:57:21 | rev|work | kergoth: well, even with the PalmOS, you can always write your own new app. :) |
| 16:57:25 | kergoth | indeed |
| 16:57:29 | rev|work | i plan on running my own PDA OS/OE on the Z anyway |
| 16:57:35 | whardier | ibot nslookup www.traevoli.com |
| 16:57:36 | | www.traevoli.com is 206.196.148.82 |
| 16:57:41 | rev|work | http://dynapad.swiki.net/1 |
| 16:57:59 | rev|work | it's not very done, but everything is customizable and modifyable, which is what i expect from a computing environment |
| 16:58:13 | rev|work | also cool to use the same homebrewed ecological analysis tools out in the field as i do at home. :) |
| 16:58:48 | rev|work | if only the Z had real HWR (not character recognition), i'd get one in a second... does anyone know if there are efforts toward that goal? |
| 16:59:13 | rev|work | also, just out of curiosity, does anyone provide an 'upgrade' for the Z's ROM to run WinCE/PocketPC instead of QPE/Linux? |
| 16:59:33 | rev|work | one more question... what kind of WPM do you guys achieve with the keyboard, writing in all lowercase? |
| 16:59:46 | W|GGL|T | PPC on the Z????? |
| 16:59:54 | uncon | sick |
| 16:59:55 | W|GGL|T | that's sacreligious |
| 16:59:56 | kergoth | i dont believe anyone is selling ppc for the z |
| 16:59:58 | rev|work | haha |
| 17:00:09 | tux_mike | rev: not possible. |
| 17:00:25 | rev|work | well, i'm pragmatic, and you can do certain things under PocketPC you cannot under Linux/QPE at this point, unfortunately. probably wouldn't do it, but i'm just curious |
| 17:00:36 | XavierXeon | rev|work: rom is to small for ppc |
| 17:00:44 | tux_mike | certian things for windows CE needs to be custom developed, and PPC is only availiable in an OEM license |
| 17:00:44 | rev|work | no, it's large enough |
| 17:00:50 | rev|work | 16 MB is the same as the iPAQ ROM |
| 17:01:01 | jlb | Ok... what's the "right" konsole to grab? :) (i.e. the one w/ the most feature that runs on standard Qtopia) |
| 17:01:32 | XavierXeon | jlb: opie konsole |
| 17:01:42 | jlb | There appear to be three or more in the project file list on zaurus.sourceforge.net |
| 17:01:56 | jlb | I can run it w/o opie? |
| 17:02:01 | darienm | jlb: http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/zaurus/embeddedkonsole-tabs_1.5.0-2-2_arm.ipk?download |
| 17:02:15 | tux_mike | that is old i belive |
| 17:02:15 | darienm | jlb: runs fine on the original roms |
| 17:02:31 | jlb | darienm: sweet, thanks. |
| 17:02:34 | darienm | I use it a few dozen times a day, no problems with it. |
| 17:02:36 | rev|work | anyone measured their WPM on the Z kb? |
| 17:02:41 | darienm | if there's a newer one, I haven't found it yet. |
| 17:02:43 | tux_mike | you can find newer versions on the feeds |
| 17:02:47 | | feed is, like, a package repository or http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds or http://www.zauruszone.com/feed/ or http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/ for OpenZaurus |
| 17:02:47 | tux_mike | ibot feed |
| 17:03:01 | kergoth | ljb: most opie apps run on the sharp rom |
| 17:03:04 | | rumour has it i am dumb or delightfully sexy |
| 17:03:04 | BigBoss | ibot ibot |
| 17:03:19 | jlb | Hehe. |
| 17:03:50 | Nadav | hhah |
| 17:04:03 | Neo|Work | is back (gone 15:35:41) |
| 17:04:08 | kergoth | re neo |
| 17:04:11 | rev|work | does anyone know of packages to write first-class GUI apps with perl for qtopia? |
| 17:04:20 | rev|work | that is, are there ipks with Perl/Qt out there? |
| 17:04:33 | darienm | tux_mike: I'll have you know the version of embeddedkonsole on http://qpe.sourceforge.net/packages/ipaq/ is even older than the one I posted. |
| 17:04:53 | treke | rev|work : nope. there is python though |
| 17:04:57 | darienm | tux_mike: and the one listed at http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/feeds/3.0/ is a snapshot, and doesn't have a version. (though I suspect its the same) |
| 17:04:58 | tux_mike | yes, but qpe.sf.net is another old site |
| 17:05:04 | kergoth | darienm: i think he was referring to the zauruszone or openzaurus feed |
| 17:05:07 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:05:10 | rev|work | treke: bah. ;) |
| 17:05:11 | tux_mike | the oz one is newer |
| 17:05:33 | treke | rev|work : its hard to fit python and perl on an pda :) and python is a bit more popular :) |
| 17:05:55 | siriusnov | wow |
| 17:06:00 | treke | at least among linux on pda users |
| 17:06:05 | siriusnov | i ran down my battery for the 1st time since ive gotten my Zaurus |
| 17:06:06 | siriusnov | hehe |
| 17:06:25 | siriusnov | playing mp3s for 4 hours with the backlight on |
| 17:06:31 | rev|work | treke: perl fits fine, had it on my iPAQ... i'd imagine perl is more popular, but not for creating GUI apps. python just isn't my thing. |
| 17:06:32 | rev|work | shrugs |
| 17:06:35 | kergoth | ah fuck |
| 17:06:45 | kergoth | "Unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference..." |
| 17:06:47 | kergoth | fun fun |
| 17:06:56 | tux_mike | kergoth: crap on a stick |
| 17:06:58 | rev|work | treke: and don't give me any liens about python's OO... when I want OO, i go to a real OO language like Smalltalk. hehe. :) |
| 17:07:05 | treke | rev|work : I said among linux pda users, python is pretty much the language of choice there :) |
| 17:07:13 | treke | doesnt care for python much |
| 17:07:24 | rev|work | treke: really? over C++ even? |
| 17:07:39 | rev|work | treke: are a goodly amount of the non-sharp Z apps written in python? |
| 17:07:41 | tux_mike | rev: as a scrpting language |
| 17:07:58 | rev|work | oh, not for real apps? |
| 17:08:01 | rev|work | bummer |
| 17:08:24 | tux_mike | i don't think any "real" apps should be made in a scripting language |
| 17:08:33 | rev|work | would much rather have his apps all writte in a language like perl or python (with parts in C for speed if needed)... easily modifiable and customizable |
| 17:08:38 | rev|work | heh |
| 17:08:55 | whardier | ibot nslookup www.traevoli.com |
| 17:08:55 | | www.traevoli.com is 206.196.148.82 |
| 17:08:55 | treke | rev|work : I prefer c++ on pdas. uses less memory usually, and loads much faster |
| 17:09:04 | | siriusnov: i'm not following you... |
| 17:09:04 | siriusnov | ibot eviltentacle.org |
| 17:09:05 | BigBoss | we've found with our BlackAdder product, an IDE for Python and PyQt that number one it is very popular, and number 2 the speed is almost the same as C++ in a user app |
| 17:09:05 | rev|work | nods |
| 17:09:10 | | siriusnov: excuse me? |
| 17:09:10 | siriusnov | ibot www.eviltentacle.org |
| 17:09:12 | siriusnov | bleh |
| 17:09:35 | tux_mike | BigBoss: have you gotten pyqt working on qpe? |
| 17:09:41 | rev|work | BigBoss: you speak lies! python is "just" a scripting language so you can only write scripts in it. :P (j/king of course) |
| 17:09:50 | rev|work | tux_mike: isn't there a pre-built ipk of it? |
| 17:10:03 | BigBoss | tux: Phil ported it months ago |
| 17:10:08 | tux_mike | ah |
| 17:10:21 | kergoth | this is not my dad |
| 17:10:29 | tux_mike | i hadn't heard that, last i heard was the qt bindings worked but there was no qpe bindings |
| 17:10:30 | treke | are the qpe ported yet? |
| 17:10:35 | kergoth | i've got a null pointer deref in the kernel, and ipkg is segfaulting trying to install ipks into the rootfs for building an oz rom |
| 17:10:45 | treke | er qpe classes |
| 17:10:46 | BigBoss | i don't think there is, or will be PyQPE |
| 17:11:00 | rev|work | why not? |
| 17:11:06 | XavierXeon | for python + pyqt + docu taking less than 6MB see http://home.arcor.de/xavierxeon |
| 17:11:09 | rev|work | are there a bunch of non-qt QPE classes/calls? |
| 17:11:11 | W|GGL|T | hrmmm...beta 10.1 ain't out yet? |
| 17:11:51 | treke | rev|work : Not too many, but they are important. Thinks like the AppLnk/DocLink classes for accessing documents |
| 17:12:16 | rev|work | how does the Z/QPE/Qtopia store data? does it have a database (something like berkeley db, or an OODB like on the Newton) or do most apps still use files (blech)? |
| 17:12:19 | Neo|Work | not to mention QPEApplication |
| 17:12:22 | rev|work | treke: ah, indeed |
| 17:12:28 | treke | rev|work : Files |
| 17:12:43 | rev|work | treke: so there's no storage API other than open()? |
| 17:13:36 | treke | rev|work : There is a DB api, but I dont think its on the Z |
| 17:13:43 | rev|work | bummer |
| 17:13:49 | rev|work | i mean, i know i could install it and use it for my app |
| 17:13:59 | rev|work | but such an inelegant solution for storage |
| 17:14:13 | treke | theres also the Config Classes if you dont need to store a lot of binary data |
| 17:14:14 | rev|work | files, that is |
| 17:14:30 | rev|work | config classes? for saving/reading windows-like INI files or something? |
| 17:14:33 | treke | yup |
| 17:14:38 | rev|work | ah |
| 17:15:10 | rev|work | so then if someone creates a new kind of app and wishes it to be sync'd with the desktop, you have to write a specific 'conduit' i suppose? |
| 17:15:51 | treke | dont know anything about syncing |
| 17:16:19 | treke | you could probably use QDataStream if its inabled to simplify your life. Not sure you cross platform it is though |
| 17:16:24 | rev|work | that's one of the problems a db/oodb for most datastorage would solve, snazzy it is |
| 17:16:35 | rev|work | what is QDataStream? let you serialize C++ objects? |
| 17:17:02 | treke | yup. and it is pretty portable |
| 17:17:05 | treke | http://doc.trolltech.com/2.3/qdatastream.html |
| 17:17:11 | rev|work | well, at least there's that |
| 17:27:25 | uncon_ | kergoth, ne2000_cs doesn't excist |
| 17:29:47 | kergoth | uncon_: i dont remember the exact filename. find /lib/modules -name \*ne2\* |
| 17:30:03 | uncon_ | well |
| 17:30:06 | rev|work | are there any Z desktop apps for linux yet? |
| 17:30:26 | uncon_ | in the config, there are sever NE2000 cards that use pcnet_cs |
| 17:30:37 | uncon_ | s/server/several |
| 17:31:02 | kergoth | uncon_: give that a shot then :-) |
| 17:31:10 | uncon_ | so, i used it and /var/log/messages says it's good and an NE2000 card |
| 17:31:42 | uncon_ | then there are a load of wireless errors |
| 17:32:11 | uncon_ | but, i guess that's normal? |
| 17:32:42 | kergoth | uncon_: not certain. if you want, you can email me your /var/log/messages, i can take a look |
| 17:33:04 | uncon_ | i will |
| 17:33:39 | scl900 | Heya'll. |
| 17:33:49 | nemui-chan | Is there a way to ipkg something already installed on a Z? |
| 17:33:57 | nemui-chan | And is there a way to mount an image? |
| 17:34:43 | ljp_ | yes and yes |
| 17:34:49 | XavierXeon | nemui-chan: what image ? |
| 17:35:05 | nemui-chan | XavierXeon: the sharp rom image |
| 17:35:13 | nemui-chan | ljp: Where can I read about how to do either? |
| 17:35:39 | XavierXeon | nemui-chan: get romburst from ZSI and rip the image |
| 17:35:47 | nemui-chan | romburst? |
| 17:35:51 | nemui-chan | I dont want the image I have now :) |
| 17:35:57 | nemui-chan | I want something from a different image. |
| 17:36:03 | XavierXeon | then you can mount the rootfilesystem as cramfs |
| 17:36:33 | uncon_ | kergoth, network is up! (: |
| 17:36:38 | uncon_ | kergoth, thanks |
| 17:37:05 | kergoth | uncon_: nice :-) np |
| 17:37:13 | kergoth | uncon_: I'll get your card entry into the next pcmcia-cs package |
| 17:37:14 | nemui-chan | ljp: How do I make an ipk of something already on the Z? (Or from the image) |
| 17:37:17 | nemui-chan | xav: thanks :) |
| 17:38:03 | ljp_ | copy it to your desktop, make all the necessary dire structor, write a control file, and run ipkg-build |
| 17:38:23 | ljp_ | dir structure |
| 17:38:25 | nemui-chan | dire structor? |
| 17:38:26 | nemui-chan | oh |
| 17:38:28 | nemui-chan | duh |
| 17:38:34 | nemui-chan | Where can I read about control files? |
| 17:38:38 | ljp_ | heh bad typing skillz |
| 17:39:01 | ljp_ | http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/iPKG |
| 17:40:03 | nemui-chan | hrmm |
| 17:40:07 | nemui-chan | where's the sharp 5500 image again? |
| 17:40:45 | ljp_ | or http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/ipkg_howto.shtml |
| 17:41:49 | BigBoss | l |
| 17:42:26 | XavierXeon | rom image for 5500 is at http://www.myzaurus.com/ROMupdate2.asp |
| 17:42:54 | W|GGL|T | damn...i think im going to have to call roadrunner |
| 17:43:02 | nemui-chan | W|GGL|T: I'm sorry |
| 17:43:04 | dupedAgain | call call |
| 17:43:05 | nemui-chan | thanks XavierXeon |
| 17:44:21 | uncon_ | heh, i'm ipkg is fetching the ipk files at 120kpbs (: |
| 17:44:28 | W|GGL|T | nemui-chan: yeah...internet connect is SLOW today...can barely browse the web |
| 17:45:00 | benmeyer | Using QString who would I incriment through the alphabet? |
| 17:45:13 | benmeyer | i.e. starts out QString foo=a and ends up foo==z? |
| 17:45:24 | benmeyer | There is no ++ |
| 17:45:37 | W|GGL|T | anyone tried the 'strategic assault' Zaurus game? |
| 17:45:40 | W|GGL|T | http://www.handango.com/sharp/PlatformProductDetail.jsp?siteId=423&jid=XC93C1B7XDF3DFAB75EXX29B36D9EX7F&catalog=0§ionId=0&productType=2&platformId=9&productId=27088 |
| 17:46:25 | nemui-chan | XavierXeon: I need loopback support dont I? |
| 17:46:26 | kergoth | W|GGL|T: yep. neo did the port. good game |
| 17:46:35 | kergoth | benmeyer: does QChar have ++? |
| 17:47:04 | W|GGL|T | thinks he'll buy that game |
| 17:47:12 | XavierXeon | nemui-chan: yes (mount -o loop -t cramfs /file /mountpoint) |
| 17:47:13 | benmeyer | nope |
| 17:47:25 | kergoth | odd |
| 17:47:35 | benmeyer | hmmm I could just creat a string abcdefghi... |
| 17:47:41 | benmeyer | then loop through it using at |
| 17:47:46 | benmeyer | .at() |
| 17:48:34 | nemui-chan | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop0, |
| 17:48:43 | nemui-chan | Meaning I dont have cram support? |
| 17:48:47 | Neo|Work | W|GGL|T: it's en excellet game. I'd say it's the best RTS available for the Zaurus. :-)) |
| 17:49:18 | kergoth | neo's biased ;-) |
| 17:49:24 | nemui-chan | hmmm I do have cramfs support. |
| 17:49:34 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 17:49:38 | kergoth | nemui-chan: you're loopback mounting the rootfs right? |
| 17:49:44 | nemui-chan | Trying to |
| 17:49:52 | kergoth | nemui-chan: paste the mount command exactly |
| 17:49:52 | nemui-chan | cd |
| 17:49:53 | W|GGL|T | really likes strat-type RTS games |
| 17:50:09 | nemui-chan | cdscl900@debian:~$ sudo mount -o loop -t cramfs ~/ospack.srom /mnt |
| 17:50:15 | kergoth | wrong |
| 17:50:27 | kergoth | you didnt use the util to split apart ospack that he pointed you to |
| 17:50:27 | nemui-chan | Oh. Thats what X just told me... What is it? |
| 17:50:35 | nemui-chan | Oops. I missed that part. Let me scroll back,. |
| 17:51:03 | kergoth | <XavierXeon> nemui-chan: get romburst from ZSI and rip the image |
| 17:51:08 | nemui-chan | found it.. thanks. |
| 17:51:12 | kergoth | np |
| 17:51:35 | | i think zsi is http://killefiz.de/zaurus/ |
| 17:51:35 | nemui-chan | ibot, zsi? |
| 17:51:51 | ljp_ | I just use a script that uses dd |
| 17:51:52 | XavierXeon | thats what i said |
| 17:52:02 | kergoth | i use split.c |
| 17:52:30 | ljp_ | I tried using a knife, but my hard drive quit working |
| 17:53:33 | Neo|Work | kergoth: although the statement "the best RTS" is true since, at least afaik, there are no other RTS games for the Zaurus |
| 17:54:10 | nemui-chan | ok.. so once I use romburst I should have a bunch of files like this: COLLIE.BIN-20020426 ? |
| 17:54:34 | W|GGL|T | Neo|Work: hehe |
| 17:54:59 | warmi | benmayer: QString bla="a"; |
| 17:55:01 | warmi | bla.replace(0,1,QChar(bla.at(0).latin1()+1)); |
| 17:55:13 | kergoth | Neo|Work: indeed :-) |
| 17:57:11 | kergoth | man, i wish the buffer would stop overflowing so i could get a clean oops to send through ksymoops |
| 17:57:33 | warmi | this C++ statement looks more like a Perl crap |
| 17:57:34 | warmi | hehe |
| 17:58:35 | tux_mike | warmi: any word? |
| 17:58:57 | warmi | haven't had a chance to talk yet . I will make sure I catch him today |
| 17:59:04 | tux_mike | ok, cool |
| 17:59:15 | tux_mike | ugh, palladium is scary |
| 17:59:48 | XavierXeon | thinks palladium is real nazi |
| 18:01:56 | warmi | what's palladium ? |
| 18:02:26 | darienm | Okay, so I'm contemplating going thru with this ROM update, and thinking I might want to format my 128 SD card from FAT to ext2 at about the same time. Any current drawbacks to going ext2? |
| 18:04:06 | XavierXeon | warmi: http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/users/rja14/tcpa-faq.html and http://www.zdnet.com/anchordesk/stories/story/0,10738,2873149,00.html |
| 18:05:17 | scl900 | Stupid X |
| 18:05:40 | nemui-chan | Sorry, after romburst-ing the ospack.rom, I should have this: BOOTSHP2.BIN-20020426 ? |
| 18:05:45 | nemui-chan | Or many of those rather? |
| 18:07:21 | warmi | darienm: the only drawback I can think of is inability to mount your SD cards under WIndows |
| 18:07:35 | warmi | ( ie use SD readers under Windows) |
| 18:07:51 | darienm | what's windows? |
| 18:08:27 | warmi | something that various Unix folks ( KDE, GNOME) are trying to duplicate on Linux |
| 18:08:28 | XavierXeon | nemui-chan: the screenshot at zsi shows you what files you should have (apart from th epdf) |
| 18:08:37 | Kopsis | darienm: also make sure you mount your SD card "noatime" |
| 18:08:37 | nemui-chan | I figured it out.. only the Romdisk can be mounted? |
| 18:08:46 | XavierXeon | yes |
| 18:09:20 | nemui-chan | Hrm |
| 18:09:28 | Nadav | woah |
| 18:09:29 | nemui-chan | I just want java. Sigh. ;p |
| 18:09:32 | Nadav | bestbuy prices are back up? |
| 18:09:37 | Nadav | $449? |
| 18:09:46 | nemui-chan | Bestbuy prices go down? Can I move to where you live? |
| 18:10:24 | Nadav | where have you been? they were at $399 for ages |
| 18:10:27 | Nadav | on bestbuy.com |
| 18:10:32 | Nadav | and $360 at my local store |
| 18:10:42 | numatrix | 380 on amazon.com right now. |
| 18:11:03 | nemui-chan | wow |
| 18:11:06 | numatrix | Though they do that annoying 'you must add to your shopping cart to see the price' crap. |
| 18:11:12 | nemui-chan | That is pretty communist... |
| 18:11:16 | nemui-chan | OH wait.. amazon does that now? |
| 18:11:20 | nemui-chan | Bestbuy has been doing that |
| 18:11:35 | numatrix | Amazon's been doing it for a little while. And yeah, definitely pinko style. |
| 18:12:16 | XavierXeon | nemui-chan: communist would be if it had no price at all and you would still be forced to pay :) |
| 18:12:37 | nemui-chan | lol |
| 18:12:48 | numatrix | XX: I think he's using communist in a slightly different sense. One that I use all the time too. :-) |
| 18:12:52 | Nadav | was about to do tsomething |
| 18:12:57 | Nadav | *something |
| 18:12:59 | nemui-chan | "Commnist" is my default amazon comment. ;) My roommate when I worked for Amazon used that ALLLLL the time. and it rubbed off. |
| 18:13:16 | nemui-chan | Is communism where you work but dont get payed? |
| 18:14:35 | XavierXeon | communism is where everything belongs to everybody, so it does not make sense to pay for something you already own |
| 18:15:01 | nemui-chan | Oh.. so amazon really WAS the epitomy of communism. |
| 18:15:07 | nemui-chan | Everyone owned stock options so no one got payed. |
| 18:15:10 | nemui-chan | ;) |
| 18:15:13 | numatrix | laughs |
| 18:15:22 | nemui-chan | I swear... I left amazon and literally doubled my salary. |
| 18:15:50 | Nadav | What would you do if you had $125 to spend @ bestbuy? |
| 18:15:56 | nemui-chan | ./bin/evm |
| 18:15:59 | nemui-chan | oops |
| 18:16:04 | numatrix | wrong window. :-) |
| 18:16:05 | nemui-chan | Video card of sound card =) |
| 18:16:10 | nemui-chan | numatrix: : Yes =) |
| 18:16:32 | numatrix | I set instant messenger windows to popup so I end up typing shell commands to my friends all the time. |
| 18:16:38 | tux_mike | bother. directv is starting a new smartcard rotation |
| 18:16:42 | nemui-chan | hehe |
| 18:16:55 | numatrix | tux_mike: but that doesn't matter if you're a paying customer, right? :-) |
| 18:17:22 | tux_mike | no, but it still is a pain in the ass for some of my recivers. the tivo has the card in the back, in the worst place possible |
| 18:18:01 | numatrix | tux_mike: ahh, gotcha. I just get my cheapo 10$/month cable and keep it simple. Don't have to worry about it that way. |
| 18:18:06 | tux_mike | and, i just love pr firms, they make it seem like its a service enhncement. |
| 18:18:23 | numatrix | And they're doing it at NO ADDED CHARGE! *gasp* |
| 18:18:26 | tux_mike | how the hell do you get cable for ten bucks a month. here the base is like 40. |
| 18:18:58 | numatrix | It's the exceedingly basic package. Comes with the standard channels. NBC, CBS, ABC, Fox, WB, two different PBS' for some reason, tnt, and maybe one or two other ones. |
| 18:19:09 | tux_mike | ah. |
| 18:19:16 | numatrix | And oh yeah; the tv guide channel so you can drool over all the channels you don't have. It works great in an area where hardly anything is available via air. |
| 18:19:22 | Nadav | hah |
| 18:19:38 | nemui-chan | lol |
| 18:19:45 | tux_mike | i need discovery, tlc, dsci, dwings, hist, hint, techtv, and a very few others :) |
| 18:19:52 | nemui-chan | DIY! |
| 18:19:59 | Nadav | techtv is nice |
| 18:20:01 | Nadav | had it for a while |
| 18:20:02 | nemui-chan | We dont have DIY here. |
| 18:20:05 | nemui-chan | sniffles. |
| 18:20:24 | tux_mike | i haven't seen anything on diy that i can relate to |
| 18:25:08 | nyargh | hey |
| 18:25:16 | nyargh | anyone here use the SMC wireless card/ |
| 18:25:18 | nyargh | w/ the Z? |
| 18:25:32 | nyargh | or know of the problems w/ it? |
| 18:25:50 | KhensU | I don't have any |
| 18:26:00 | nyargh | you use the SMC tho? |
| 18:26:05 | nyargh | what ROM? |
| 18:26:09 | KhensU | 2.2 |
| 18:26:12 | nyargh | ah :/ |
| 18:26:16 | nemui-chan | hrm |
| 18:26:19 | nyargh | what wlan-ng is on it? |
| 18:26:21 | nemui-chan | I need a small java ipk. |
| 18:28:50 | KhensU | 0.1.12-shp |
| 18:28:59 | tux_mike | nyargh: i use it on the openzaurus roms and the older sharp roms without a problem |
| 18:43:13 | nemui-chan | Does anyone here run jeode on their oz Z? |
| 18:43:39 | nemui-chan | Or can anyone tell me hwere java/awt/ stuff would be on the sharp rom? |
| 18:44:38 | Twiun | nemui-chan: probably in libevmawt.so |
| 18:44:46 | Twiun | is the QtPalmtop/bin dir |
| 18:44:52 | nemui-chan | thanks |
| 18:46:21 | nemui-chan | hmm. I copied that over to the OZ rom and I'm still getting errors saying java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: java/awt/event/ACtionListener |
| 18:48:14 | Twiun | nemui-chan: got all the jar files from QtPalmtop/lib ? |
| 18:48:20 | nemui-chan | Nah.. i just noticed that. |
| 18:48:25 | Twiun | Hehe |
| 18:48:28 | nemui-chan | :) |
| 18:48:29 | nemui-chan | Thanks |
| 18:48:34 | Twiun | that's ok |
| 18:48:43 | benmeyer | http://www.rmdashrfslash.com isn't taken |
| 18:48:44 | benmeyer | hehe |
| 18:49:08 | nemui-chan | lol |
| 18:52:25 | benmeyer | or even better rm-rfslash.com |
| 18:55:27 | nemui-chan | Hmmm |
| 18:55:38 | nemui-chan | Twiun: you have jave up and running on your Z? |
| 18:55:41 | nemui-chan | java |
| 18:56:24 | ljp_ | doesn't that short curcuit the electronics ;) |
| 18:56:36 | nemui-chan | ljp: hmm? |
| 18:57:10 | ljp_ | java on the Z short curcuit |
| 18:57:22 | ljp_ | ciruit |
| 18:57:28 | nemui-chan | ah |
| 18:57:36 | ljp_ | crap- I give up spelling |
| 18:57:57 | ljp_ | heheh just a bad joke |
| 18:58:16 | Twiun | nemui-chan: Well... yes, but I'm still on the Sharp rom |
| 18:58:32 | nemui-chan | I was just going to ask if you can run the java-stopwatch from command line and see if it segfaults upon exit... |
| 18:58:40 | nemui-chan | The one from here... |
| 18:58:42 | nemui-chan | http://www.zaurusoft.com/packages/browse/7 |
| 18:58:45 | nemui-chan | brb.. gotta meeting though :( |
| 18:58:48 | Twiun | sure |
| 18:58:54 | nemui-chan | thanks :) I appreciate it |
| 19:02:11 | kergoth`lunch | whee progress in the kernel front |
| 19:02:27 | Twiun | something working at last? ;-) |
| 19:02:29 | ljp_ | making some pop corn? |
| 19:02:39 | Twiun | frying some bacon on your Z? |
| 19:02:42 | kergoth | if the kernel explodes, ive got problesm |
| 19:02:44 | kergoth | heheh |
| 19:03:04 | kergoth | just isolating the null pointer dereference to something related to the framebuffer code |
| 19:04:24 | Twiun | nemui-chan: Nope, no segfault for me... anything particular I should be doing? (did start->snap->snap->snap->exit) |
| 19:05:37 | Sniper | hello |
| 19:06:05 | Neo|Work | Sniper: gday |
| 19:06:24 | kergoth | hey Sniper |
| 19:06:26 | Twiun | heya Sniper |
| 19:06:59 | Sniper | anything new? |
| 19:07:01 | Twiun | Sniper: Any updates on those cross pda questions? |
| 19:07:28 | Twiun | thinks he should really try being more obtuse and vague... |
| 19:07:51 | kergoth | yay i have serial console without using the DEBUG_LL low level debugging functions' |
| 19:07:53 | kergoth | nifty |
| 19:08:02 | kergoth | wonder why the Z isnt raising RTS & DTR though |
| 19:09:07 | numatrix | Anybody tried spoofing their mac address with a wireless card? |
| 19:09:23 | Twiun | Sniper: what I meant was... I'll email you those questions ;-) |
| 19:09:28 | numatrix | I can change it simply enough with ifconfig but as soon as I up the interface, it pulls the original mac |
| 19:09:35 | MSpin | kergoth: yay! |
| 19:09:52 | kergoth | MSpin: no more kernel NULL Pointer deref |
| 19:11:00 | JasonNJ | kergoth: we want 10.2 |
| 19:11:10 | JasonNJ | kergoth: I sent you an email about an updated driver |
| 19:11:11 | kergoth | JasonNJ: my 'make openzaurus' is segfaulting |
| 19:11:14 | kergoth | JasonNJ: its not my day |
| 19:11:55 | MSpin | kergoth: yeah, that'd do it |
| 19:24:10 | Nadav | yawns |
| 19:24:18 | uncon | hrm |
| 19:24:37 | JasonNJ | kergoth: tim riker at lineo wants to give you his changes that run opie as non root with suid root for the installer apps |
| 19:25:02 | JasonNJ | he has it running that way on the Vercel |
| 19:25:23 | kergoth | JasonNJ: great |
| 19:25:29 | | bzflag was last seen on #tuxscreen 4 hours, 47 minutes and 32 seconds ago, saying: -D option on tuxphone should have been updated to latest known working date, NOT removed. [Tue Jul 2 15:37:57 2002] |
| 19:25:29 | kergoth | ibot: seen bzflag? |
| 19:27:02 | kergoth | JasonNJ: progress ont he kernel btw.. i got serial console, and i'm debugging shit atm |
| 19:28:21 | JasonNJ | oh excellent. |
| 19:28:35 | kergoth | JasonNJ: its more fun now that i'm not working blind :-) |
| 19:29:02 | kergoth | JasonNJ: any news on oxygen? |
| 19:29:07 | JasonNJ | whatshisname from redhat wants to give you the jffs2 changes |
| 19:29:14 | JasonNJ | apparently speeds things up considerably |
| 19:29:15 | kergoth | david woodhouse |
| 19:29:16 | kergoth | dwmw2 |
| 19:29:18 | JasonNJ | yes |
| 19:29:39 | alan6101 | anyone tried the netgear cf wireless card yet, I'm going to get one tonight |
| 19:30:00 | alan6101 | I saw some post that people pad problems with it, but then post that said it worked fine ??? |
| 19:30:11 | kergoth | JasonNJ: was he talking about upgrading our jffs2 driver in 2.4.6? thatd be nifty. i tried to do it myself but it was complaining left and right |
| 19:30:18 | JasonNJ | we've tested the netgear, it works. |
| 19:30:36 | JasonNJ | nah I think he meant for 2.4.18/2.5.x |
| 19:30:46 | JasonNJ | but it would be possible I think |
| 19:30:50 | alan6101 | great |
| 19:39:27 | kergoth | JasonNJ: cool. I should be able to get this going soon.. |
| 19:39:41 | kergoth | JasonNJ: right now i'm trying to figure out why the serial console doesnt raise RTS & DTR.. |
| 19:47:35 | alan6101 | anyone tried rdesktop with zaurus? |
| 19:47:48 | Cloudchaser | hiya |
| 19:49:34 | treke | alan6101 : is it a qt app? |
| 19:50:36 | ljp_ | treke: no -> http://www.rdesktop.org/ |
| 19:50:53 | treke | yeah, I've used rdekstop, didnt know if it was a QT app though |
| 19:51:33 | alan6101 | you've used it on the z? |
| 19:51:37 | treke | no |
| 19:51:57 | ljp_ | looks like its written in c |
| 19:52:46 | alan6101 | I admin a bunch of windows server with terminal services installed, would be nice to have |
| 19:53:09 | treke | alan6101 : I seem to remember it wasnt very portable to non x86 platforms |
| 19:53:34 | treke | that was a while back, might be fixed by now |
| 19:53:50 | ljp_ | it would need to be ported from Xlib to qtopia gui window system |
| 19:55:39 | alan6101 | as far as I know, it hasn't been updated since I first found it, like a year ago |
| 19:56:00 | siriusnov | which reminds me |
| 19:56:16 | siriusnov | anyone here use kinkatta lite sucessfully with VNC server for windows? |
| 19:56:43 | siriusnov | oops |
| 19:57:00 | siriusnov | i meant keypebble-vnc |
| 19:57:11 | treke | yes |
| 19:57:14 | siriusnov | it doesnt work with vnc server for windows ;( |
| 19:57:22 | treke | set the options to request 8 bit session |
| 19:57:28 | treke | and disable copy rectangle |
| 19:57:33 | siriusnov | treke ok |
| 19:57:55 | alan6101 | so treke you've used it with vnc on windows? |
| 19:57:59 | treke | has an improved copy at home, will send the source to opie one of these days |
| 19:58:07 | treke | yes. briefl |
| 19:59:30 | ljp_ | treke: keypebble? |
| 19:59:34 | treke | vncviewer |
| 19:59:44 | treke | its in noncore/comm. |
| 20:00:20 | ljp_ | ya keypebble |
| 20:01:38 | treke | It had an annoying bug where it never actually saved settings to the config file like it tried to :) |
| 20:01:55 | treke | I'm guessing the QTopia api changed and it was never updated |
| 20:02:48 | siriusnov | yay it works |
| 20:02:52 | siriusnov | awesome |
| 20:03:04 | kergoth | oi |
| 20:03:06 | kergoth | what a day |
| 20:03:12 | kergoth | DAMNIT RTS raise! |
| 20:04:49 | ljp_ | kergoth: did you say the magic words first? |
| 20:05:14 | kergoth | ljp_: hah |
| 20:05:23 | kergoth | speaks a magical incantation for signal riase |
| 20:05:41 | Nadav | for $220 (that's including shipping) would you buy a 5000D? |
| 20:05:57 | siriusnov | no |
| 20:06:00 | siriusnov | =P |
| 20:06:05 | siriusnov | i already have a 5500 |
| 20:06:06 | siriusnov | hehe |
| 20:06:14 | Nadav | well, good for you |
| 20:06:19 | Nadav | but let's say you didn't |
| 20:06:23 | ljp_ | nadav: sure.. why not |
| 20:06:23 | siriusnov | well thats not a bad deal |
| 20:06:26 | siriusnov | honestly |
| 20:07:31 | Cloudchaser | from that guy nadav? |
| 20:07:44 | uncon | do i have to have my SD card formated as soemthing that supports symlinks to isntall software there? |
| 20:07:45 | Cloudchaser | i'd have a bit of trouble trusting that one who's been posting |
| 20:07:50 | Cloudchaser | but that's just me |
| 20:08:07 | Nadav | Cloud: yeah, the ebay guy |
| 20:08:15 | Cloudchaser | yeah he's obnoxious |
| 20:08:25 | Nadav | haha yeah |
| 20:09:57 | Cloudchaser | i guess you hve to ask yourself if you'd be happy with a 5000 after all you've read |
| 20:10:06 | siriusnov | yeah |
| 20:10:10 | Cloudchaser | or if you'd be better to wait til you can get 5500 |
| 20:10:20 | Nadav | yeah, that's a good question |
| 20:10:21 | siriusnov | id rather spend the extra 100 and get a 5500 |
| 20:10:22 | Cloudchaser | or...even a few months til the 6500? |
| 20:10:30 | siriusnov | whats the 6500? |
| 20:10:32 | Cloudchaser | me too siriusnov |
| 20:10:40 | siriusnov | i love my 5500 |
| 20:10:48 | Cloudchaser | hehe the one someone posted that sharp said they'd be out with in 6 months |
| 20:10:51 | ljp_ | well, then, why dont you marry it? |
| 20:10:55 | siriusnov | goddamn |
| 20:10:58 | siriusnov | that's quick |
| 20:10:59 | treke | siriusnov : sharp is planning new models |
| 20:11:02 | siriusnov | my 5500 is obsolete =( |
| 20:11:03 | Cloudchaser | 6-9 months |
| 20:11:07 | Cloudchaser | yeah it is :( |
| 20:11:11 | Cloudchaser | cries |
| 20:11:16 | siriusnov | whats new in the 6500? |
| 20:11:21 | ljp_ | 5600 |
| 20:11:22 | Cloudchaser | no info on that |
| 20:11:26 | alan6101 | I hope the new one has a keyboard |
| 20:11:26 | treke | only sharp knows :) |
| 20:11:31 | siriusnov | heh |
| 20:11:32 | ljp_ | 56k modem |
| 20:11:33 | Cloudchaser | oh hehe 5600 |
| 20:11:46 | treke | it would be cool if its like the a600 ( from what I've read of it) |
| 20:11:56 | treke | That would probably get me to switch to the zaurus :) |
| 20:12:01 | siriusnov | cool |
| 20:12:09 | siriusnov | im going to keep my zaurus for 2 years |
| 20:12:13 | alan6101 | treke, what do you use now? |
| 20:12:16 | treke | ipaq |
| 20:12:24 | Cloudchaser | smacks treke |
| 20:12:27 | siriusnov | since thats how long the bestbuy replacement thing lasts |
| 20:12:36 | ljp_ | I'm going to keep my z untill its an antique, and then seel it for millions |
| 20:12:38 | uncon | ext2what fs should i use on a SD card? |
| 20:12:43 | ljp_ | sell even |
| 20:12:43 | siriusnov | so after 2 years ill just hook it up to my car batt and get a new one :) |
| 20:12:53 | treke | the battery on the a600 looks really nice |
| 20:13:01 | siriusnov | a600? |
| 20:13:03 | alan6101 | ipaq with linux on it? |
| 20:13:04 | Cloudchaser | mumbles |
| 20:13:07 | treke | yeah |
| 20:13:15 | treke | siriusnov : the japanese zaurus |
| 20:13:17 | Cloudchaser | i don't wanna hear how nice the 300 is! |
| 20:13:18 | alan6101 | I've always wanted to try that, how is it? |
| 20:13:30 | treke | alan6101 : pretty much the same as a Zaurus |
| 20:13:34 | Cloudchaser | i wanna hear that the Z will have those nice features in the next rom! |
| 20:14:02 | Gepeto | Heya...anyone doesn't have a Zaurus and would like to trade something against a 5000d? |
| 20:14:04 | siriusnov | I just dont want my Z to go obsolete like the farking Pocket PC machines |
| 20:14:14 | ljp_ | like an xscale upgade? |
| 20:14:16 | siriusnov | yeah |
| 20:14:23 | Nadav | Gepeto: how about a $125 gift card to bestbuy and $25 card to compusa? ;) |
| 20:14:26 | Cloudchaser | no the software features |
| 20:14:30 | siriusnov | both |
| 20:14:40 | siriusnov | mostly software tho |
| 20:14:46 | siriusnov | I want it to have palm like compatability |
| 20:14:56 | siriusnov | I had a handspring for the longest time |
| 20:14:59 | siriusnov | and all software worked |
| 20:15:25 | ljp_ | what?! you want _working_ software?! thats crazy |
| 20:15:29 | siriusnov | heh |
| 20:16:26 | Gepeto | Nadav: nah :) |
| 20:16:35 | Nadav | Gepeto: i could add some extra money.. |
| 20:17:05 | Gepeto | I live In canada |
| 20:17:14 | Gepeto | don't care about best buy nor compusa |
| 20:17:16 | Nadav | oh ok |
| 20:17:16 | Nadav | haha |
| 20:17:25 | siriusnov | im just worried that sharp will stop updating the rom for the Z in a few months |
| 20:17:31 | siriusnov | so Ill be stuck like in Pocket Pc land |
| 20:17:39 | Nadav | That's when OZ will rise ;) |
| 20:17:41 | siriusnov | new rom = buy new model |
| 20:17:55 | siriusnov | im a poor college kid =( |
| 20:20:25 | siriusnov | so when are they releasing Opera 6.0 for the Z ? |
| 20:20:26 | siriusnov | :) |
| 20:21:05 | Twiun | it'd better be soon! |
| 20:21:16 | siriusnov | so how is Sharp with releasing rom upgrades? |
| 20:21:21 | siriusnov | i might switch to OpenZaurus soon |
| 20:21:31 | siriusnov | any differences? |
| 20:21:35 | siriusnov | that are noticable? |
| 20:22:04 | siriusnov | i know OpenZaurus comes with Opie right? or do I have to install Opie after I install OZ? |
| 20:22:11 | Twiun | shrugs |
| 20:22:16 | Twiun | haven't gone down that road yet |
| 20:23:11 | siriusnov | U know whats funny |
| 20:23:25 | siriusnov | yesterday I found myself holding the Z like a tricorder |
| 20:23:30 | siriusnov | with the keyboard extended |
| 20:23:31 | siriusnov | heh |
| 20:23:34 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 20:23:47 | siriusnov | it looked like on too |
| 20:23:54 | siriusnov | with the plastic screen protector up |
| 20:23:57 | siriusnov | and the keyboard down |
| 20:24:01 | ljp_ | I keep saying into mine, "beam me up, Scottie" but nothing happensd |
| 20:25:03 | Twiun | You're obviously using the wrong app... |
| 20:25:11 | siriusnov | heh |
| 20:25:12 | ljp_ | ahhhh.. ok.. |
| 20:25:51 | Twiun | I'm sure whardier can help you there ;-) |
| 20:28:45 | siriusnov | the AL300 uses an intel xcale crappy proc |
| 20:28:48 | siriusnov | at 200mhz |
| 20:29:00 | siriusnov | xscale |
| 20:29:09 | kergoth | whats wrong with xscale? |
| 20:29:18 | siriusnov | xscale doesnt live up to the hype |
| 20:29:25 | kergoth | how so? |
| 20:29:38 | sjohnson | siriusnov: PPC2002 on XSacle doens't live up to hype. |
| 20:29:48 | siriusnov | true sjohnson |
| 20:29:49 | ljp_ | ya, who could possibly use an fpu on a handheld? |
| 20:30:01 | kergoth | and dont tell me its because of the PPC perf numbers, cause I take that with a grain of salt, considering its not built for it |
| 20:30:26 | siriusnov | but Ive heard stories of xscale having serious, I think I read that on slashdot somewhere |
| 20:30:31 | siriusnov | serious issues that is |
| 20:30:41 | siriusnov | PPC xscale blows chunks |
| 20:30:51 | JasonNJ | there is NOTHING wrong with xscale. |
| 20:30:53 | kergoth | I havent heard any problems with xscale itself yet, myself. |
| 20:30:56 | siriusnov | k |
| 20:30:57 | JasonNJ | its Pocket PC OS. |
| 20:30:59 | siriusnov | well I may be wrong |
| 20:31:01 | kergoth | I hear its quite cool actually |
| 20:31:02 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:31:15 | JasonNJ | Linux that is ARM V5 optimized runs like a bat out of hell on xscale |
| 20:31:18 | siriusnov | I just dont want my Z to be obsolete =P |
| 20:31:20 | sjohnson | kergoth: PPC 2002 is optimized for the ARM v4 core, XScale is ARM v5+ and M$ won't optimize it. |
| 20:31:27 | kergoth | sjohnson: yep, i heard about that... |
| 20:31:39 | Gepeto | siriusnov: Your Z will be as great when it'll be obsolete though |
| 20:31:44 | JasonNJ | we already have an ARM V5 port of the Zaurus OS running on xscale and it is fast |
| 20:31:47 | Gepeto | my 286 is still as powerful as it was ;) |
| 20:31:51 | siriusnov | haha |
| 20:32:04 | Gepeto | and I prefer that my Z becomes obsolete FAST |
| 20:32:07 | Gepeto | as it is a first device |
| 20:32:11 | Gepeto | a first try |
| 20:32:17 | Gepeto | I am sure sharp is capable of much much better |
| 20:32:17 | siriusnov | anyway in 2 years Im going to upgrade to the new Z |
| 20:32:19 | siriusnov | whatever it is |
| 20:32:35 | JasonNJ | 5500 will continue to be a useful machine for quite some time |
| 20:32:44 | JasonNJ | especially with the continued development of Openzaurus |
| 20:32:47 | siriusnov | or 1 year, as Best Buys product replacement plan will give you a new one if it messes up after a year |
| 20:32:53 | siriusnov | hehe I cant wait ;) |
| 20:33:07 | siriusnov | Ill just hook it up to a car batt by accident, and bring it in after 1 year and get a new Z |
| 20:33:15 | kergoth | you know whats annoying.. having to keep removing the serial cable to flash a new kernel |
| 20:33:16 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:33:31 | JasonNJ | kergoth: makin progress? |
| 20:33:35 | toolafial | has anyone seen the news release about the A300? |
| 20:33:38 | siriusnov | no |
| 20:33:47 | toolafial | http://www.nikkeibp.asiabiztech.com/wcs/leaf?CID=onair/asabt/news/194069 |
| 20:34:00 | toolafial | no kybrd on this one though |
| 20:34:01 | treke | hehe, my parents got a great deal on a laptop thanks to that product replacement plan :) |
| 20:34:12 | kergoth | JasonNJ: getting there.. it keeps overflowing its transmit buffer and garbling up the output |
| 20:34:13 | siriusnov | haha |
| 20:34:20 | JasonNJ | a300 is japanese market only |
| 20:34:31 | toolafial | I know |
| 20:34:34 | JasonNJ | teh framebuffer is the only part that seems to be messed up? |
| 20:34:41 | treke | wouldnt mind not having a keyboard |
| 20:34:52 | siriusnov | quick someone fly to japan and buy me one |
| 20:34:52 | siriusnov | =P |
| 20:34:57 | ljp_ | suggests treke get an ipaq |
| 20:35:01 | siriusnov | afk |
| 20:35:02 | JasonNJ | kergoth: if you get stumped, send it to riker |
| 20:35:07 | kergoth | JasonNJ: I likely slipped up in the lcd power on/off code. I'll get it fixed.. but its a pain with serial garbled |
| 20:35:09 | JasonNJ | I want to see this kernel run |
| 20:35:10 | toolafial | that's one of the biggest draws of the 5500, at least for me |
| 20:35:12 | treke | hehehe. But I do like the supposed 5 hour of active use |
| 20:35:26 | kergoth | JasonNJ: i already pestered him once, he pointed me to the low level debugging functions.. invaluable.. its what got me out of the slump |
| 20:35:31 | kergoth | JasonNJ: :-) |
| 20:35:35 | JasonNJ | kay. |
| 20:37:00 | benmeyer | You want to know something really really anoying? |
| 20:37:11 | Nadav | no, but sure |
| 20:37:31 | benmeyer | A lot of algorithms are really messy untill you make them resursive and then they turn into this very simply 2 line thing |
| 20:37:42 | benmeyer | bla |
| 20:37:56 | benmeyer | at least for algorithems that should be recursive |
| 20:37:59 | benmeyer | such as tree sorting |
| 20:38:01 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:38:05 | kergoth | yep |
| 20:39:32 | Twiun | yeah... but then they turn into memory hogs |
| 20:40:09 | benmeyer | ? |
| 20:40:17 | warmi | slow memory hogs .. |
| 20:40:19 | warmi | hehe |
| 20:40:24 | benmeyer | recursive programming is one of those places where memory bugs don't show up |
| 20:40:33 | benmeyer | and if they do they smash you system to death the first time |
| 20:40:38 | benmeyer | and then go away |
| 20:40:51 | jmhodges | hehehehe |
| 20:41:07 | warmi | well, recursive stuff can be deadly as far as performance is concerned |
| 20:41:34 | warmi | these function calls can add rather quickly .. |
| 20:41:37 | benmeyer | i.e. if the algorithem works it is pretty hard to have a memory leak, if it doesn't work then you system is probably loosing 5mb every second |
| 20:41:58 | Twiun | hehe |
| 20:45:01 | benmeyer | which really stinks when you are on a X terminal sense you can't hear the hard drive suddenly kick in as it tries to swap several hundred megs |
| 20:46:04 | warmi | hah |
| 20:46:09 | warmi | true |
| 20:47:05 | warmi | one can always tell if this app just went south ... suddly other windows become less reponsive and refresh is taking forever ... sings of infinite loop or memory starvation |
| 20:47:07 | warmi | hehe |
| 20:47:14 | benmeyer | nothing like monitoring the server when the compsci1 students had the tower of henoi lab project. :-D |
| 20:48:45 | benmeyer | Off to the train station to drop someone off |
| 20:48:47 | benmeyer | see you all later |
| 20:52:17 | killefiz | Hmm ... someone has added a Java Hangman game to the ZSI as GPL but the link it points to a commercial "hangman" java applet for $19.95 |
| 20:52:30 | killefiz | that has to be a joke |
| 20:53:34 | ljp_ | nothing wrong with selling gpl's programs |
| 20:54:04 | warmi | killefiz: not necesarily ... |
| 20:54:07 | treke | killefiz : nope. knights is the same way |
| 20:54:07 | killefiz | ljp_: of course not - but there is something wrong as stating they are under a commercial license |
| 20:54:34 | warmi | there is not option to to set to GPL on handango , you have to select commercial if you want to charge |
| 20:54:36 | ljp_ | thats the only option they give you at handango |
| 20:54:43 | ljp_ | commercial or freeware |
| 20:54:47 | killefiz | treke: I know of knights and puzzle and there is also the opie-drawpad for sale on handago ... |
| 20:54:58 | killefiz | have a look yourself: |
| 20:55:09 | killefiz | http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=280 |
| 20:56:11 | warmi | well, it is hard to say .. |
| 20:56:16 | killefiz | The handhelds entry even has the "Gabriel software commercial upgrade policy" |
| 20:56:25 | warmi | his site doesn't even list hangman as a product they sell |
| 20:56:46 | warmi | if it is GPLed then he eventually should make the source code for it available |
| 20:57:04 | warmi | or modify license on zsi .. |
| 20:57:06 | treke | warmi : might be part of the downloadabl package |
| 20:57:15 | killefiz | someone has submitted a change for the zsi-entry that changes the homepage from handago to http://java.sun.com/applets/other/Hangman/index.html |
| 20:57:28 | treke | he doesnt have to put it on his web page |
| 20:58:17 | warmi | oh so this is Suns applet .. haha .. |
| 20:58:25 | Twiun | He can't exactly charge for something he just packaged up though |
| 20:58:25 | warmi | somebody modified it to run on the Zaurus |
| 20:58:31 | treke | now thats pretty lame |
| 20:58:38 | treke | legit, but lame |
| 20:58:45 | warmi | I doubt he just packaged it |
| 20:58:53 | warmi | he claims to support 18 K words |
| 20:59:01 | killefiz | it looks different (a bit) |
| 20:59:12 | warmi | suns applet doesn't support that many words |
| 20:59:23 | Twiun | not hard to find a word list though |
| 20:59:46 | warmi | Twiun[ZzWorkzZ]: well yeah but .. oh well .. I dosn't really bother me all that much |
| 20:59:55 | Twiun | Oooooo, definately not legit... he's using the Duke mascot from sun... he'll get his fingers burnt |
| 21:00:07 | warmi | let him try to make some cash |
| 21:00:16 | warmi | hehe |
| 21:00:34 | killefiz | I can think of many apps I would pay for but hangman for 19.95 won't sell one piece ;) |
| 21:00:52 | warmi | hehe .. not for $ 19 |
| 21:01:02 | treke | well let him fail :) |
| 21:01:10 | warmi | I mean if he tried to sell it for 4.95 then maybe . |
| 21:01:11 | Twiun | Hehe, but seriously, the mascot is off limits to non-Sun people... it's in their legal requirements |
| 21:01:25 | treke | is it? |
| 21:01:34 | Twiun | yup... let me dig up that link |
| 21:01:42 | iang | Actually, the license in the java software to begin with explicitly says that you're only allowed to redistribute it without fee. |
| 21:01:54 | iang | http://java.sun.com/applets/other/Hangman/src/Hangman.java |
| 21:02:04 | BeFrank | hi |
| 21:02:17 | Twiun | http://java.sun.com/nav/business/licensed-logos.html |
| 21:02:23 | Twiun | right at the bottom of the page |
| 21:02:35 | Twiun | "Duke Logo(tm)" |
| 21:03:24 | Twiun | They're pretty specific ;-) |
| 21:06:25 | warmi | yeah, |
| 21:16:43 | Twiun | Hahaha... Hangem-es by Gabriel Software: $24.95 |
| 21:17:16 | Twiun | So... Sun's applet packaged up with cracking dictionaries in various languages... |
| 21:17:32 | treke | hey, thats work :) |
| 21:18:41 | Twiun | Although seeing that he's actually crediting Patrick Chen from Sun for the framework... you'd think he'd have read a bit more on the Sun website |
| 21:19:21 | Twiun | fires a quick email off to support@gabrielsoftware.com... |
| 21:19:43 | Twiun | before Sun's bloodthirsty lawyers get their fangs into him ;-) |
| 21:20:20 | jmhodges | heh |
| 21:20:42 | treke | relicensing it as gpl probably isnt kosher either |
| 21:21:11 | Twiun | No, but he could get away with it... it's really the logo that'll hurt |
| 21:22:42 | Twiun | I mean... the only difference I can see from Sun's one is that the image for the hangging lattice is different... he changed it to brown from black |
| 21:22:46 | Twiun | it's identical otherwise |
| 21:22:55 | Twiun | (just downloaded the demo version) |
| 21:23:18 | BeFrank | Anyone heard of the MacOS X driver? |
| 21:24:22 | turtl | ello |
| 21:25:27 | NetAmp | Any burning hot news in here? ;) |
| 21:26:41 | warmi | hi NetAmp |
| 21:26:50 | NetAmp | hiya warmi |
| 21:26:51 | warmi | Twiun[ZzWorkzZ]: how's the game ? is it any good ? |
| 21:27:25 | turtl | lots of new applications coming out for zaurus every day :) |
| 21:27:35 | NetAmp | what game? *no i'm not curious, it just seems that wat* |
| 21:27:57 | NetAmp | turtl: good thing! :) |
| 21:28:06 | numatrix | This guy definitely seems to be in the wrong, though people have charged just for repackaging before: http://zaurus.wynn.com/software/pay/kjb.readme.html |
| 21:28:25 | warmi | NetAmp: <killefiz> http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=280 |
| 21:28:45 | NetAmp | *lol* |
| 21:28:49 | NetAmp | Java mascot ;) |
| 21:28:52 | numatrix | It's the newest controversy. He repackaged a sun application and is charging for it. And using their logo. ;-) |
| 21:28:53 | NetAmp | hehe |
| 21:29:06 | Twiun | NetAmp: Oh yes, explained that already ;-) |
| 21:29:13 | NetAmp | :D |
| 21:29:24 | Twiun | And I've just decompiled it... (Booo! Hiss!!!) |
| 21:29:32 | Twiun | And the code is.... virtually identical |
| 21:29:32 | NetAmp | hah |
| 21:29:44 | Twiun | all he's done is externalised the word list to a zip file |
| 21:29:58 | numatrix | Well hot dang, if that's not worth $20, I don't know what is... |
| 21:30:05 | NetAmp | hehe |
| 21:30:05 | Twiun | So I'm pointing this out to him in an email... |
| 21:30:19 | Twiun | anyone bothered enough to want a copy? |
| 21:30:24 | numatrix | That would probably be polite. And if he doesn't respond, I'm sure handago would love to know. |
| 21:30:42 | NetAmp | gheh |
| 21:30:43 | Twiun | numatrix: I'll give him the benefit of the doubt for now... |
| 21:30:44 | numatrix | is away: I'm not here. |
| 21:30:48 | NetAmp | hang him high! |
| 21:30:48 | warmi | frankly, this bible guy could even be using my version of bible I packaged for the guy who wrote the original bible reader ( he entered the contest and I helped him to test his app on the ZAurus) |
| 21:30:54 | Twiun | NetAmp: rofl |
| 21:31:32 | numatrix | warmi: Not even; that bible program just uses html versions of the KJV. How weak is that? |
| 21:31:52 | numatrix | Ok, this time I mean it... really away. Out of the office. Going home or my wife will kill me. bye all. |
| 21:32:04 | NetAmp | well folks, it's been nice to quickly read up on the hassles and miracles of the Z open source world, but it's time for bed here |
| 21:32:12 | NetAmp | ok then I'm off to sleep... l8r |
| 21:32:33 | turtl | Twiun - doesn't decompiling not give you the exact original source |
| 21:32:47 | warmi | heh |
| 21:32:51 | Twiun | No, but it's close enough for me to compare ;-) |
| 21:33:38 | warmi | numatrix: you are absolutely right .. this guy is using Opera + HTML file hehe |
| 21:33:39 | Twiun | Obfuscation would make that very difficult... nothing comparable would be left... but his classes aren't obfuscated |
| 21:33:57 | warmi | selling HTML file available for free on the net for $10 .. heeh |
| 21:34:02 | Twiun | lol |
| 21:34:12 | turtl | what a fool |
| 21:34:12 | turtl | heh |
| 21:34:29 | Twiun | Oh well... benefit of the doubt for a few days, then nice hot coals |
| 21:34:33 | turtl | has anybody here tried "intent" on the Z? |
| 21:34:58 | Twiun | turtl: Yep, runs nicely... |
| 21:35:08 | Twiun | shame you have to flash the rom for it though |
| 21:35:22 | turtl | Twiun - does it totally replace the Zaurus' enviro? |
| 21:35:37 | Twiun | Yup, although it shouldn't need to |
| 21:36:11 | Twiun | well... ok, it doesn't include a kernel |
| 21:36:22 | Twiun | so it's an initrd.bin, essentially |
| 21:36:40 | turtl | Is there much of a point to it? Does it have anything over the Z's enviro? |
| 21:36:51 | Twiun | It's really only a tech demo |
| 21:37:06 | Twiun | can't do much with it and the usbd driver isn't enabled by default |
| 21:37:11 | turtl | Easy to develop for? |
| 21:37:33 | turtl | or develop with? |
| 21:37:42 | Twiun | No idea... looks like they have some kind of advance compilation file format |
| 21:37:48 | Twiun | no .class files anywhere |
| 21:37:55 | Twiun | (or even renamed ones) |
| 21:38:08 | Twiun | the Intent site(s) are virtually dead |
| 21:38:15 | Twiun | So... I wouldn't bother |
| 21:38:28 | turtl | Can either the zaurus or "intent" compile console-based java applications? |
| 21:38:45 | turtl | Could I write, compile, and excecute console based applications all on the zaurus? |
| 21:39:00 | Twiun | the Z can... in intent... probably - no idea how though |
| 21:39:34 | turtl | Would you need a separate application on the Z or is it built in |
| 21:39:43 | Twiun | It's not built in |
| 21:39:57 | turtl | Ahh, what's needed then? |
| 21:39:57 | Twiun | Java compilers+class libraries are bulky |
| 21:40:34 | Twiun | you need a compiler (jikes/a.n.other), class libraries and an editor |
| 21:40:54 | Twiun | you can use the editors available for the Z easily |
| 21:41:23 | turtl | ahh, EIDE and MinIDE? |
| 21:41:31 | Twiun | compilers/class libraries can be found at http://sf.net/projects/zaurus in the files section |
| 21:41:46 | Twiun | EIDE I couldn't get to install... where can I find MiniIDE? |
| 21:41:57 | turtl | http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showapps.php?cat=3 |
| 21:42:11 | turtl | they regularly update new programs |
| 21:42:16 | turtl | like 6-10 came in today |
| 21:42:28 | turtl | err 11 |
| 21:42:35 | Twiun | I'm on the mailing list... just never noticed miniide |
| 21:44:09 | turtl | ohh |
| 21:44:10 | Twiun | looks ok... not as polished as the tkcEditor, but hey, it's free ;-) |
| 21:45:02 | Twiun | I'll give EIDE another try |
| 21:45:07 | turtl | how much does tkcEditor cost? :-/ |
| 21:45:32 | Twiun | can't remember... it's here: www.theKompany.com |
| 21:46:08 | Nadav | $20 i think |
| 21:46:17 | Nadav | or $15 |
| 21:46:52 | turtl | damn i wish it was freeware |
| 21:46:58 | turtl | some of their products are really cool |
| 21:47:01 | Nadav | heh |
| 21:47:08 | Nadav | yeah, it's too bad people want to get paid for their work ;)\ |
| 21:47:15 | turtl | ;) |
| 21:53:22 | BigBoss | yea, damn how people don't want to just give you stuff for free |
| 21:53:24 | BigBoss | doesn't that suck? |
| 21:53:38 | Nadav | heh |
| 21:54:41 | BigBoss | I think we should all sign a petition and INSIST that theKompany give their software away. By what right do they force people to pay for it? |
| 21:54:44 | Twiun | absolutely... personally I don't want free apps... I'd rather have free cash |
| 21:54:53 | treke | halelujiah! |
| 21:55:16 | BigBoss | Oh, and tkcEditor has Java and JSP support in the next release |
| 21:55:37 | Twiun | smothers BigBoss with flowers! |
| 21:55:42 | Twiun | thank you! |
| 21:56:06 | toolafial | I wish more games for the zaurus were multiplayer over a network |
| 21:56:41 | BigBoss | toolafial: me too |
| 21:57:11 | Twiun | toolafial: I think we should encourage people with 2 Z's to develop more games ;-) |
| 21:57:20 | Twiun | Where's ljp when you need him? |
| 21:57:24 | Twiun | grins |
| 21:58:01 | treke | someone send NeoTron another zaurus :) |
| 21:58:03 | toolafial | well it wouldn't take two Z's to develop a network game |
| 21:58:43 | toolafial | I assume the qvfb has network support |
| 21:58:52 | Twiun | it would definately help testing though |
| 21:59:02 | toolafial | that's true |
| 21:59:04 | Twiun | from a usability perspective |
| 21:59:16 | warmi | one can always use x86 to network with the Zaurus |
| 21:59:30 | Twiun | I mean, doom on the Z is great... but that sideways orientation is painful |
| 21:59:35 | warmi | basically, one game would run on X86 Qtopia emulator and another on the device itself |
| 22:01:01 | MSpin | kergoth: ping |
| 22:01:30 | toolafial | warmi: yea |
| 22:01:47 | toolafial | and doesn't QT have some networking classes and such? |
| 22:02:02 | treke | not on the zaurus |
| 22:02:05 | treke | :) |
| 22:02:07 | warmi | sure it does |
| 22:02:19 | warmi | QClass + asynchronous socket handling |
| 22:02:24 | warmi | I mean QSocket |
| 22:02:26 | warmi | hehe |
| 22:03:15 | toolafial | I mean you could have a room full of Z's and everyone could play each other using wireless networking |
| 22:03:19 | toolafial | that would be pretty cool |
| 22:03:26 | treke | ah its QNetworkProtocol that isnt there |
| 22:03:53 | turtl | i'd designate my Z to be hte one that screws up everyone else's Z's gameplay ;) |
| 22:03:54 | Twiun | toolafial: Yeah... erm... we need to brainwash lots of people and make them buy Z's |
| 22:03:56 | kergoth | MSpin: pong |
| 22:04:43 | toolafial | can the cf wireless cards be set to do P2P? w/o an AP? |
| 22:05:14 | kergoth | toolafial: thats called adhoc mode, and yes |
| 22:05:32 | toolafial | ah yea, that's what it's called |
| 22:05:53 | toolafial | anyways a client could also be developed for PocketPC |
| 22:07:20 | toolafial | then all one has to do is put their CF wireless card in adhoc and wander around looking for someone to play |
| 22:07:28 | toolafial | we could start a craze ... |
| 22:07:43 | turtl | toolafial: they'd be wandering for years |
| 22:07:45 | toolafial | 's eyes glaze over with grandure |
| 22:07:51 | turtl | ;) |
| 22:07:55 | toolafial | that's true |
| 22:07:58 | toolafial | oh well |
| 22:08:50 | turtl | what developers should really focus on is zaurus <-> palm interaction |
| 22:09:19 | turtl | i've got many friends with palm pilots, dont know anybody with a zaurus |
| 22:09:46 | toolafial | there's wireless cards for the palm's isn't there? |
| 22:10:19 | treke | some of them. most palms arent expanadable |
| 22:11:53 | toolafial | is it possible to have a tcp connection over the ir port? |
| 22:12:51 | turtl | most wireless palm users use bluetooth i believe |
| 22:13:00 | turtl | because it's small enough to fit in that damn port of theirs |
| 22:13:09 | turtl | i think its sd/mmc |
| 22:13:35 | treke | unless its a handspring, then its handsprings proprietary card |
| 22:13:47 | Twiun | screams |
| 22:14:04 | Twiun | just tried Bust'em... godawfully addictive... |
| 22:14:07 | turtl | not hte newer ones |
| 22:14:16 | turtl | the newer ones dont use the larger sled thingy |
| 22:14:20 | Twiun | ... must buy ... when it's on sale ;-) |
| 22:14:29 | turtl | but the thing about those is that you can buy adapter sled thingies |
| 22:14:41 | turtl | like ones for compact flash and (i think) sd/mmc |
| 22:14:55 | turtl | i personally love compact flash |
| 22:15:03 | turtl | mostly because i have more CF cards than any other cards |
| 22:15:04 | turtl | hehe |
| 22:15:10 | treke | theres still all those old palms that cant do any more than ir :) |
| 22:15:38 | turtl | i'm making a bit of a jump :-/ m100->sl5000d ;) |
| 22:17:15 | turtl | anyone here heard of or tried netbsd live? |
| 22:18:20 | turtl | http://bsd.slashdot.org/bsd/02/06/20/1952234.shtml?tid=122 |
| 22:18:26 | turtl | sounds neat |
| 22:20:56 | turtl | w |
| 22:28:27 | mark | lol, what a suprise, I open open Linuxtoday and see BigBoss :) |
| 22:30:12 | mark | nice article though |
| 22:51:07 | Twiun | hmmm... anyone know of a reliable way of shredding files on a journalled fs? |
| 23:06:14 | Cloudchaser | hiya |
| 23:07:10 | nhudson | anyone had any probelms with CF cards saying read only? |
| 23:07:38 | Cloudchaser | how do you mean? with samba? |
| 23:07:56 | nhudson | no |
| 23:08:01 | nhudson | in the terminal |
| 23:08:04 | nhudson | on my Z |
| 23:08:23 | nhudson | I tried to remove some files and it said I couldnt because it is read only |
| 23:08:33 | Cloudchaser | ah i haven't run across that yet |
| 23:08:40 | nhudson | but if I put it back in my CF reader I can add and delete files normally |
| 23:09:20 | jmhodges | Cloudchaser: its a known bug .. but i cant remember who told me about it last night |
| 23:09:41 | iang | Someone's been complaining about that on ZaurusZone, too. |
| 23:09:51 | iang | What brand/size CF is it? |
| 23:10:20 | nhudson | its a SanDisk 64 meg card |
| 23:11:05 | iang | The one in http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/invboard/index.php?act=ST&f=4&t=1915&hl=&s=fced1e40d5de43cddf4ced16b3e9f2b8 is a Sandisk 128MB. |
| 23:11:34 | iang | Looks like both their CF and their SD have timing issues. |
| 23:11:35 | nhudson | ok now its back to working right |
| 23:11:39 | nhudson | weird |
| 23:12:04 | iang | It's probably a timing issue similar to that in their SD card, but it seems to be more intermittent. |
| 23:12:34 | nhudson | yeah I have a SD card that isnt worth a crap it has never wored |
| 23:12:42 | nhudson | a SanDisk 128 meg SD card |
| 23:12:51 | iang | With a LQ batch number, yes? |
| 23:13:12 | nhudson | how ould I know? |
| 23:13:16 | nhudson | *would |
| 23:13:16 | iang | It's on the back. |
| 23:13:19 | nhudson | oh |
| 23:13:29 | nhudson | 0205LQ |
| 23:13:32 | iang | Yup. |
| 23:13:41 | iang | The LQ's are the ones with the timing issue. |
| 23:13:49 | nhudson | ahh |
| 23:14:00 | nhudson | well im sure they will fix it sooner or later |
| 23:14:09 | iang | Apparently, Sharp's working on a fix. I've heard "August" for a time frame. |
| 23:14:19 | nhudson | cool |
| 23:14:36 | nhudson | oh what all does the "backup" include? |
| 23:14:46 | nhudson | if I backed up my Z what all is in the backup? |
| 23:14:48 | iang | Luckily, I probably won't fill my memory and need an SD card until then... |
| 23:15:09 | iang | Dunno. Take a look. |
| 23:15:11 | nhudson | well i like the SD card bc I have a wireless card in the CF slot :) |
| 23:15:17 | jlb | Hrm. I've hit that problem too, but with a different card. |
| 23:15:23 | iang | nhudson: me, too. :-) |
| 23:15:34 | jlb | It only happened after suspending the Z. |
| 23:15:48 | nhudson | seems the timing is a bit buggy on all the cards but the SD cards are the worst |
| 23:15:54 | jlb | I wondered if the automounter was getting confused by suspending or something. |
| 23:15:58 | iang | rolled his own backup/restore mechanism, so he knows exactly what's being saved (i.e. everything) |
| 23:16:38 | nhudson | thats might be it .. but mine did it just by taking it out and putting it back in |
| 23:16:48 | nhudson | but I would always unmount it before taking it out |
| 23:17:36 | jlb | nhudson: which wireless card are you using, btw? |
| 23:17:48 | nhudson | the D-Link one |
| 23:17:55 | jlb | is probably gonna get the SMC 2642W |
| 23:18:03 | iang | uses the Socket Low-Power |
| 23:18:03 | jmhodges | jlb: it doesnt wokr with OZ fyi |
| 23:18:16 | nhudson | oh but my wireless doesnt work with IZ |
| 23:18:18 | nhudson | *OZ |
| 23:18:44 | nhudson | thx for reminding me of that jmhodges :) |
| 23:18:46 | jlb | jmhodges: thanks (not running it right now). Any idea why? It's prism2.5, prism2_cs should work. |
| 23:19:05 | nhudson | yeah I know but it wont put up anything from my access point |
| 23:19:17 | jmhodges | jlb: i have no idea.. nhudson had problems with it |
| 23:19:26 | jlb | Weird. |
| 23:19:33 | nhudson | the module is loaded and I know that the card is registered but I cant get a IP from the wirelssaccess point |
| 23:19:38 | jmhodges | jlb: and i trust his opinions on such things (we work on a project together ;) |
| 23:20:30 | nhudson | i was thinking of reinstalling OZ again tonight to see if I can get it to work but I dont know what all the back up leaves and doesnt backup |
| 23:20:50 | iang | just tar it up yourself. |
| 23:21:04 | nhudson | just tar the whole thing up? |
| 23:21:10 | iang | everything under /home/ |
| 23:21:31 | iang | but don't try to restore that under OZ, of course; you'll overwrite a bunch of stuff. |
| 23:21:33 | nhudson | hmm ok good idea |
| 23:21:38 | nhudson | no |
| 23:21:49 | nhudson | I doubt OZ will work but im going to work on it anyway |
| 23:21:50 | iang | But it's useful if you want to restore the ROM you're running now. |
| 23:21:57 | nhudson | man I really need to study for a midterm |
| 23:22:08 | nhudson | but I cant seem to get started |
| 23:22:10 | jmhodges | hehehe |
| 23:22:15 | iang | what subject |
| 23:22:16 | jmhodges | summer session eh? |
| 23:22:17 | nhudson | heh |
| 23:22:20 | nhudson | yeah |
| 23:22:22 | nhudson | umm |
| 23:22:27 | nhudson | promise not to hurt me? |
| 23:22:35 | jmhodges | sure |
| 23:22:38 | nhudson | Windows 200 Network Security :) |
| 23:22:43 | nhudson | well |
| 23:22:45 | iang | 's gf just handed him a frosty fruity drink :-) |
| 23:22:46 | nhudson | windows 2000 |
| 23:22:49 | jmhodges | ROFL |
| 23:22:57 | Cloudchaser | hehe is there such a thing? |
| 23:23:01 | nhudson | I know |
| 23:23:08 | jmhodges | well.. its not your fault nhudson |
| 23:23:08 | nhudson | and half way through the class |
| 23:23:09 | iang | that's why the course is so hard |
| 23:23:16 | Cloudchaser | oh yeah, best way to secure it...remove it grom the network :) |
| 23:23:16 | nhudson | there isnt such a thing |
| 23:23:18 | jmhodges | your school doesnt have any non-win cs stuff |
| 23:23:23 | jlb | It should be easy: reboot, install something else. :) |
| 23:23:24 | nhudson | yeah it doesnt |
| 23:23:29 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 23:23:50 | nhudson | oh I just sit there and find new ways to crash IE and IIS |
| 23:23:55 | nhudson | its fun |
| 23:24:05 | jmhodges | LOL |
| 23:24:24 | nhudson | sence its a non patched version of win2k adv server |
| 23:24:25 | jlb | BTW, this is fun: http://browsercheck.qualys.com/ |
| 23:24:35 | jmhodges | imagines nhudson raising his hand in class and saying 'It crashed again what should i do' |
| 23:24:38 | jlb | They've accumulated all the latest IE exploits in one place and let you try them out. Wheee. |
| 23:24:45 | jmhodges | lol |
| 23:24:56 | nhudson | hahaha |
| 23:25:37 | jmhodges | waits to see if Galeon can be exploited |
| 23:25:53 | iang | with an IE hack? ;-) |
| 23:26:10 | jlb | I think it's smart enough not to try if you're not using IE. :) |
| 23:26:28 | jlb | Mostly it's buffer overflow stuff. Lauching apps on your desktop and so forth. |
| 23:26:34 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 23:26:53 | jmhodges | i want to see what it says :P |
| 23:27:13 | nhudson | heh im still working on remotly reformatting my teachers harddrive through IIS o |
| 23:27:20 | jmhodges | ah now its showing me a ton of my semi-secret info |
| 23:27:40 | jmhodges | lol! |
| 23:27:40 | jmhodges | oh man.. |
| 23:27:41 | jmhodges | that would be hilarious |
| 23:27:46 | jmhodges | right before a final.. |
| 23:27:51 | jmhodges | oh man.. |
| 23:27:59 | nhudson | haha |
| 23:28:02 | nhudson | yeah |
| 23:28:03 | nhudson | :) |
| 23:28:12 | nhudson | oh man |
| 23:28:15 | nhudson | AA fonts are so cool |
| 23:28:21 | nhudson | I love GTK+2 |
| 23:28:25 | jmhodges | hehehe |
| 23:28:34 | iang | When I taught a security course, I intentionally left the student grades file on an NFS partition to see if anyone would hack it. No one did. :-p |
| 23:28:35 | jmhodges | nhudson: i thought you were just saying xchat2 was buggy! |
| 23:28:44 | nhudson | oh xchat2 is buggy |
| 23:28:49 | nhudson | but it looks so cool |
| 23:29:00 | jlb | iang: unadventurous lot. :) |
| 23:29:08 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 23:29:19 | nhudson | haha |
| 23:29:26 | jmhodges | iang: hehehe |
| 23:29:29 | nhudson | I would have gotten it :) |
| 23:29:29 | jmhodges | brb |
| 23:29:35 | ljp_studio | if you love GTK+2 so much, why don't you marry it? |
| 23:29:36 | nhudson | or atleast tried |
| 23:29:45 | nhudson | heh |
| 23:34:47 | mark | Cloudchaser: was it you who wanted scumvm porteD? |
| 23:38:13 | nhudson | anyone know why the OZ rom only leaves like 5mb worth of space on your Z? |
| 23:38:36 | mark | nhudson: coz it uses the rest of the ROM? but youve got the ot her space to use.. |
| 23:38:55 | nhudson | what other space? |
| 23:39:09 | mark | mtdram |
| 23:39:14 | nhudson | the sharp rom leaves me like 22 megs in /home |
| 23:39:55 | mark | yeh its just organized differently, you actually have more space with OZ coz you have that 5Meg from the 16M rom space |
| 23:40:39 | mark | BigBoss: nice article |
| 23:41:12 | BigBoss | thanks |
| 23:41:21 | BigBoss | here is a strange question |
| 23:41:30 | BigBoss | can the Z act as an FTP server? |
| 23:41:41 | mark | BigBoss: i dont see why not... |
| 23:41:51 | ljp_studio | already does.. port 4242 |
| 23:41:57 | mark | yeh, thats what i was thinking |
| 23:42:01 | BigBoss | thanks |
| 23:42:12 | ljp_studio | doesnt have all commands tho.. very simple |
| 23:42:49 | BigBoss | I've got some guy at the navy that wants to use the Z as an FTP *server*, not as a client, but I can't for the life of me figure out why |
| 23:43:09 | mark | heh, odd |
| 23:44:17 | mark | whast the name of the thing that lets you play monkey island on linux? |
| 23:44:23 | ljp_studio | ftp server is always running if qpe is running |
| 23:44:39 | Neo|Work | mark: article? |
| 23:45:02 | mark | Neo|Work: an essay from BB, top thing on www.linuxtoday.com, i cant remember the site |
| 23:46:33 | BigBoss | from linuxandmain |
| 23:46:38 | BigBoss | it's been up since last night |
| 23:46:50 | BigBoss | and for the most part no one has been able to tell me I'm wrong yet :) |
| 23:47:59 | Cloudchaser | mark: it wasn't me who wanted scumvm.. can't remember who it was |
| 23:48:22 | treke | your wrong, I dont know why though |
| 23:49:00 | mark | BigBoss: its this binary compatibility rubbish, if we have a long series of BC releases.... |
| 23:49:02 | Cloudchaser | heya big boss! how is the mail program coming along? |
| 23:49:26 | BigBoss | Cloudchaser: beta 2 will be Monday |
| 23:49:29 | mark | Cloudchaser: scumvm isn't even its name, icant remember what it is though... |
| 23:49:48 | mark | BigBoss: and you are right, the league sucks |
| 23:50:00 | treke | mark: it is scummvm. scummvm.sourceforge.net |
| 23:50:22 | Cloudchaser | BigBoss: can't wait til it comes out! will drop the default mail program like a hot potato :) |
| 23:50:35 | mark | treke: cheers |
| 23:50:35 | BigBoss | Cloudchaser: glad to hear it :) |
| 23:50:45 | BigBoss | mark: that is why I dropped out early on, it was pathetic |
| 23:51:00 | treke | mark: the zaurus ackage is ZaurusAdventures or something like it |
| 23:51:07 | BigBoss | I would talk myself blue in the face on simple, cheap and easy things to do, and all I got was apathy |
| 23:51:29 | mark | BigBoss: they are seen to be doing absolutely nothing |
| 23:51:33 | mark | and won't tell people what they are doin |
| 23:51:42 | mark | treke: its got ported already? |
| 23:51:54 | treke | mark: Compiled against sdl |
| 23:52:15 | mark | treke: it work? |
| 23:52:43 | treke | mark: works great. |
| 23:52:53 | treke | as long as you have a keyboard |
| 23:52:56 | mark | treke: playing monkey island on therte? |
| 23:53:05 | treke | mark: nope, no keyboard :) |
| 23:53:13 | treke | I played with the fate of atlantis demo |
| 23:53:27 | mark | this is for qt/e yes..? |
| 23:53:27 | treke | BigBoss : good article |
| 23:54:16 | treke | mark: yes, it uses Neo|Work's sdl |
| 23:54:27 | mark | ok |
| 23:54:28 | mark | cool |
| 23:54:33 | Cloudchaser | is there a trick to playing games with that round thingy on the z? i had trouble getting it to respond sometimes |
| 23:54:58 | treke | you probably cant save or quit unless the zs keyboard can crate the f5 key sequence |
| 23:54:59 | Cloudchaser | that and it closed the game sometimes |
| 23:55:33 | mark | treke: hmm, it can't. |
| 23:55:40 | mark | well not easily :) |
| 23:55:43 | treke | then you cant save or quit :) |
| 23:55:49 | mark | heh, greeeeeeeeeat |
| 23:56:11 | treke | f5 is what lucas arts games have traditionally used |
| 23:56:15 | mark | yeah |
| 23:57:56 | mark | treke: perhaps we could add a menu bar or something to send key sequences |
| 23:58:54 | treke | I'd like to see somekind of virtual keyboard for SDL :) |
| 23:59:42 | mark | treke: how do you get the game onto ur z? |
| 23:59:54 | treke | I scped it |
