| 00:04:00 | | kergoth was last seen on #opie 8 hours, 47 minutes and 51 seconds ago, saying: cause i like to sleep in on saturday :-) [Sat Jun 29 16:16:09 2002] |
| 00:04:00 | W|GGL|T | ibot seen kergoth |
| 00:43:38 | jmhodges | is away: jk2 (again) |
| 01:13:05 | mark_ | hi warmi |
| 01:13:44 | warmi | re |
| 01:14:05 | mark_ | hows life? |
| 01:14:39 | warmi | not bad ... just booted into linux to do some work .. |
| 01:15:30 | mark_ | wow, warmi not in w2000 :) |
| 01:16:45 | warmi | yeah ... I do that sometimes , it always leaves in an emotional trauma for another day or two |
| 01:17:07 | mark_ | heheh |
| 01:17:18 | warmi | right now I am in KDE |
| 01:17:22 | warmi | so it is not that bad |
| 01:17:31 | mark_ | heh, kde==nice |
| 01:17:36 | warmi | I always make sure to configure KDE look & feel to match Windows |
| 01:18:11 | warmi | mark_: do you use KDE 3? |
| 01:18:16 | ljp | dont forget that clouds desktop background |
| 01:18:16 | mark_ | warmi: yes |
| 01:18:28 | mark_ | yeh, i'd install lycoris if i were you warmi |
| 01:18:30 | warmi | I am stiill at 2.4 or something like that |
| 01:18:38 | warmi | is it worth it to upgrade to 3 ? |
| 01:18:39 | mark_ | 2.4? i doubt it :P |
| 01:19:01 | warmi | actually 2.2.2 |
| 01:19:03 | mark_ | erm, youve got to do the qt3 move at some point :P. i'd wait for 3.1 though |
| 01:19:19 | warmi | I had qt3 installed for months now |
| 01:19:25 | warmi | I do develop stuff using qt |
| 01:19:32 | mark_ | oh right. i presumed you did that on qt2 |
| 01:19:37 | warmi | just never bothered to download and compile KDE 3 |
| 01:19:43 | lowkey | OK since the sharp ROM update application won't install under OZ, how do you get the sharp rom flashed back onto the sl-5500 |
| 01:19:45 | lowkey | ??? |
| 01:20:07 | mark_ | warmi: i cant remember 2.2, 3 is nicer, but no killer new functions |
| 01:20:39 | warmi | I have a problem with KDE ... Visual SlickEdit for Linux hands under KDE |
| 01:20:56 | warmi | I use it a lot so more often than not I am forced to run ICeW |
| 01:20:58 | warmi | iceWM |
| 01:21:08 | warmi | SlickEdit works perfect under any WM but KDE |
| 01:21:18 | mark_ | odd... |
| 01:21:22 | warmi | yeah |
| 01:21:28 | mark_ | what does kwin do to it? |
| 01:21:33 | warmi | what ? |
| 01:21:35 | warmi | kwin ? |
| 01:21:41 | warmi | oh their win manager |
| 01:21:45 | mark_ | kde window manager |
| 01:22:12 | warmi | I have no clue ... |
| 01:22:35 | warmi | I paid frigging $100 for VSlickEDit |
| 01:22:48 | warmi | so I keep using IceWM ( which is not bad anyway) |
| 01:23:01 | mark_ | bug the slickedit guys :) |
| 01:23:28 | warmi | that's not their problem .. it works withe verything but KDE .. I mean, I have tried tons of WM and it has only problem with KDE |
| 01:23:40 | warmi | I was thinking ...maybe KDE 3 will fix it |
| 01:23:46 | mark_ | try it :) |
| 01:23:59 | mark_ | needs to write a livejournal qtopia client |
| 01:24:25 | warmi | yeah, I hate compiling KDE it takes too much time but I will have to try it |
| 01:24:33 | warmi | maybe I will wait till 3.1 like you said |
| 01:24:43 | mark_ | yeh kde takes forever |
| 01:25:41 | warmi | I could probably install RPMs but I always try to compile KDE myself afer trying some precompiled binaries and ending up with weird linker errors etc .. |
| 01:26:10 | mark_ | yey, knights now deals with illegal moves from engines properly, n ow should go to bed, 2:30am |
| 01:26:21 | warmi | haha |
| 01:26:35 | warmi | yeah 2:30 .. you gonna miss World Cup Final tommorow .. |
| 01:26:53 | warmi | heh |
| 01:26:57 | mark_ | its at 11:30am or something here |
| 01:27:12 | warmi | ungodly 6 AM here |
| 01:28:12 | warmi | mark_: was asys3 or whatever his nickname, able to compile Knights yesterday ? |
| 01:28:59 | mark_ | oh shit, I said I'd get back to him, and forgot. oh well, i'll put a new source snapshot out when i release tomorrow, he can try that |
| 01:29:27 | warmi | yeah |
| 01:30:09 | warmi | I saw him at some point almost suggesting that you purposedly broken source code so people are forced to buy it from handago |
| 01:30:28 | mark_ | I missed that. |
| 01:30:34 | warmi | or at least that was my impression ( I wasn't following your thread very vigorously) |
| 01:30:49 | mark_ | yeh, he prolly did, i think he disagrees with what i'm doing |
| 01:30:55 | warmi | yeah |
| 01:31:01 | mark_ | I dont have to make source available to him at all |
| 01:31:24 | warmi | well, he must be one of these GPL-or-bust folks |
| 01:31:53 | warmi | anyway, he won't be buying your game anyway so you might as well help him to compile it |
| 01:32:00 | mark_ | yeh, I shall |
| 01:32:07 | mark_ | I'm not gonna bust a gut over it though |
| 01:32:37 | lowkey | anyone know how to restore the orignal sharp rom? |
| 01:32:37 | mark_ | it _should_ just work. i really dont know why it wasnt, it was working fine here |
| 01:33:49 | warmi | hehe |
| 01:33:52 | warmi | I know how it is |
| 01:34:18 | mark_ | 22 sales now, its settled down to one every 2 days or so |
| 01:34:27 | warmi | lowkey: you mean you are looking for original 5500 rom ? |
| 01:34:46 | warmi | mark_: that's great... at this rate it will cover your DSL needs and mroe |
| 01:34:48 | warmi | more even |
| 01:35:10 | lowkey | warmi: i'm looking for ANY sharp rom that I can install over the OZ rom. i figure i can find my way from there. |
| 01:35:20 | mark_ | yeh, if it stays like that I've got a nice little income there |
| 01:35:27 | lowkey | warmi: the new appROM installer doesn't seem to run under OZ. |
| 01:35:38 | mark_ | warmi: any idea if the japanese are into chess? :) |
| 01:36:03 | warmi | mark_: no, they are more into "go" |
| 01:36:17 | mark_ | no computer can play that decently |
| 01:36:22 | warmi | lowkey: I never even flashed my Z once |
| 01:36:44 | warmi | but you can find original 5500 rom at Sharp site |
| 01:37:00 | warmi | mark_: I know ... |
| 01:37:05 | lowkey | warmi: i installed OZ, and its nice but not functional yet. |
| 01:37:26 | mark_ | why do I spend my whole life porting stuff? next time i say im gonna port something, please stop me warmi |
| 01:37:42 | warmi | mark_: because this is how people learn .. |
| 01:38:14 | warmi | when porting stuff you tend to see a lot of different programing techniques .. some of them bad , some of them good |
| 01:38:24 | warmi | lowkey: so I heard |
| 01:39:05 | mark_ | warmi: hmm, yeh, i suppose. :) |
| 01:39:14 | lowkey | warmi: only rom i can find is the new srom image file which requires the appROM installer.......which requires qpe and OZ use opie so........ |
| 01:39:21 | mark_ | good way of getting code exposure |
| 01:39:40 | warmi | lowkey: you talking about image from www.myzaurus.com ? |
| 01:39:46 | warmi | mark_: precisely |
| 01:40:00 | warmi | mark_: nobody stoping you from wirting code from scratch though .. |
| 01:40:03 | warmi | hehe |
| 01:40:26 | mark_ | warmi: :). yeh, that metronome... :P |
| 01:40:44 | warmi | well, yeah .. next time try something greater |
| 01:41:04 | mark_ | warmi: i can never think of anything |
| 01:41:06 | warmi | like a clone of some older game ... space invaders or something like that |
| 01:41:47 | mark_ | hmm, yeh, game programming, haven't touched that. may give it a try |
| 01:42:29 | warmi | if you decide to do space invaders ... I already have royalty free set of sprites,explosions etc .. |
| 01:42:40 | warmi | designed for space invaders |
| 01:42:44 | mark_ | ok, cool, that could be fun |
| 01:43:09 | warmi | well, think about it ... perhaps even use SDL or something |
| 01:43:28 | warmi | or at least use SDL for in-game sfx for Qtopia QSound is pathetic |
| 01:43:41 | mark_ | yeh, I know, i found that with qtick |
| 01:43:47 | mark_ | utterly sucky |
| 01:44:09 | warmi | thinks how sweet it is to have my windows partition mounted under /windows |
| 01:44:26 | mark_ | suprised it isn't /C :) |
| 01:44:30 | wembly | haha |
| 01:44:36 | warmi | nah .. C is NTFS |
| 01:44:46 | warmi | D is FAT32 which can be mounted |
| 01:44:56 | warmi | as far as I know NTFS driver under linux is still a bit shaky |
| 01:45:03 | mark_ | its fine for reading |
| 01:45:26 | warmi | yeah, but sometimes I transfer stuff there ( I do my graphics for games, apps exclusively on WIndows) |
| 01:45:29 | warmi | I need read-write |
| 01:45:48 | mark_ | yeah, its a pain that driver isn't done. its been 'DANGEROUS' since 2.2 |
| 01:45:48 | warmi | hold one sec mark |
| 01:45:58 | warmi | I will show you someting |
| 01:46:02 | mark_ | k |
| 01:48:21 | warmi | heh |
| 01:48:42 | warmi | http://www.warmi.net/images/ntfb1.png |
| 01:48:50 | warmi | http://www.warmi.net/images/ntfb2.png |
| 01:48:57 | warmi | this is the app I am finishing up now |
| 01:49:03 | warmi | database of foods using sqlite db |
| 01:49:32 | warmi | I will release it sometime this week |
| 01:49:40 | warmi | and then I will work on asm blitting class |
| 01:49:43 | mark_ | cool. where does the data come from? |
| 01:49:50 | warmi | and after that finish ZChess |
| 01:49:57 | warmi | from US govermnet food and drugs agency |
| 01:50:02 | mark_ | zdiary? |
| 01:50:09 | warmi | I downloaded 20 MBs or so of data |
| 01:50:33 | warmi | zdiary later on .. I work on zdiary at my office when I have time and I have couple of big work-related projects coming there |
| 01:50:40 | warmi | so I won't be able to work on it for a while |
| 01:50:59 | mark_ | i see. it looks rather cool |
| 01:51:05 | warmi | I am fortunate to be able to work on my stuff during down time there |
| 01:51:07 | warmi | yeah .. |
| 01:51:13 | warmi | alright .. time to go back to work |
| 01:51:19 | mark_ | c y a |
| 01:51:21 | mark_ | i'm off to bed |
| 01:51:23 | mark_ | enjoy the match :) |
| 01:51:26 | warmi | good night |
| 01:51:27 | mark_ | who you supporting? |
| 01:51:28 | warmi | yeah, I wil |
| 01:51:34 | warmi | Brasil |
| 01:51:42 | warmi | Germans play, as always, anti-futbol |
| 01:52:05 | mark_ | heh, yeh, but then brazil knocked england out. its difficult f or me :) |
| 01:52:24 | mark_ | <yawn> |
| 01:52:25 | mark_ | night |
| 02:08:31 | ljp | heh 11 seconds.. |
| 02:10:26 | gizo | hello |
| 02:10:29 | caffeine | takes zaurus and goes to bed |
| 02:10:40 | gizo | are u using jabber |
| 02:11:03 | caffeine | i use jabber and zic |
| 02:11:08 | gizo | i need help |
| 02:16:52 | kevin | yawns |
| 03:05:47 | lowkey | hey anyone know a good ipkg feed? |
| 03:08:15 | | i think feeds is listed at http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds |
| 03:08:15 | ljp | ibot: feeds |
| 03:08:19 | | feed is a package repository or http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds or http://www.zauruszone.com/feed/ or http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/ for OpenZaurus |
| 03:08:19 | ljp | ibot: feed |
| 03:09:04 | lowkey | lol, those don't seem to work in the add/remove tool.....lol |
| 03:14:18 | kergoth | lowkey: fyi, the .srom file does not require the sharp rom installer. |
| 03:15:35 | lowkey | kergoth: lol, i figured that out. just had to rename it |
| 03:15:53 | kergoth | yep. just ospack or whatever |
| 03:15:56 | lowkey | kergoth: any word on fixing the linksys wfc11 in oz? |
| 03:16:02 | kergoth | it works fine |
| 03:16:05 | kergoth | or should anyway |
| 03:16:06 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:16:11 | lowkey | kergoth: Ospack. the capital O killed me for a while. |
| 03:16:15 | kergoth | hah |
| 03:16:17 | lowkey | kergoth: never has for me........ |
| 03:16:24 | kergoth | wlansetup doesnt set it up right.. |
| 03:16:27 | kergoth | but the card shoudl work |
| 03:16:29 | lowkey | kergoth: i had to go back to the sharp rom...... |
| 03:16:38 | kergoth | wlansetup writes SSID instead of ESSID to wireless.conf .. stupid typo |
| 03:16:42 | lowkey | kergoth: we've been over this. mine never creates the interface so.... |
| 03:16:43 | kergoth | at least the old ver did |
| 03:16:49 | kergoth | ah yeah |
| 03:16:54 | lowkey | kergoth: even with that fix mine doesn't work. |
| 03:16:58 | kergoth | weird. |
| 03:17:09 | lowkey | kergoth: i posted the log messages to sourceforge so...... |
| 03:17:23 | kergoth | i'll fix when i can.. i'm not sure how to debug, without a card |
| 03:17:24 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:17:24 | kergoth | hmm |
| 03:19:40 | [DrEvil] | MSpin ssh'd into my Z to troubleshoot |
| 03:19:46 | [DrEvil] | the wlan stuff |
| 03:19:51 | lowkey | maybe find out how sharp fixed it. because they had the same problem with the orig stock rom. |
| 03:20:28 | ljp | hahaha your dreamin' there! |
| 03:20:36 | lowkey | kergoth: soon as that is fixed all go back to oz but i need my networking......... |
| 03:25:36 | kergoth | haha |
| 03:25:38 | kergoth | * Workaround for L*nks*s CF WLAN card |
| 03:25:38 | kergoth | * 24/03/2002, otokawa@slab.tnr.sharp.co.jp |
| 03:25:40 | kergoth | */ |
| 03:26:00 | kergoth | /* printk("too stupid l*nks*s\n"); */ |
| 03:31:41 | lowkey | ok |
| 03:32:04 | kergoth | lowkey: found an old patch to fix linksys support.. they had a fixed zImage on ZZ for a while for the problem... |
| 03:32:11 | lowkey | so now you tell me it can be fixed. how much to i have to recompile |
| 03:32:22 | kergoth | lowkey: weird thing, the patch is against the cs.c in drivers/pcmcia/ |
| 03:32:38 | kergoth | lowkey: the kernel, as i believe that is compiled in monolithically |
| 03:32:45 | lowkey | kergoth: ahhh |
| 03:32:51 | kergoth | lowkey: I'm doing a new rom within a few days |
| 03:32:56 | lowkey | kergoth: cool |
| 03:33:08 | kergoth | lowkey: with a new opie build, wlansetup writing ESSID.. and I'll apply that patch as well |
| 03:33:10 | lowkey | kergoth: i don't have time this weekend but maybe next. |
| 03:33:21 | kergoth | lowkey: np. I'll get the new rom out soon |
| 03:34:06 | kergoth | ljp: man. found out i cant just use lineo's serial handling for the serial port.. cause it used an interrupt handler to deal with CTS and DSR signals.. I have to poll instead.. grumble |
| 03:34:11 | lowkey | kergoth: sometime soon i want to talk to you about getting some more howto and background type info (don't worry i don't expect you to do it...but i may be able to help....) |
| 03:34:22 | lowkey | err info on the website that is. |
| 03:34:43 | kergoth | lowkey: ah yes.. docs.. i need an faq and basic install guide at least |
| 03:34:54 | kergoth | lowkey: a page comparing and contrasting with .. sharp rom.. familiar.. |
| 03:35:04 | kergoth | lowkey: i've got plans, but no time. hehe |
| 03:35:13 | lowkey | kergoth: well when i get some time, lets talk. i should be able to get something started |
| 03:35:21 | kergoth | lowkey: cool |
| 03:35:26 | lowkey | kergoth: i'll have a little time. |
| 03:35:49 | lowkey | kergoth: and i figure its a quick way to learn it all myself without pestering you "too" much |
| 03:36:52 | lowkey | kergoth: lol, i barely got the sharp rom reinstalled and i already miss features in oz (writable flash for one...wish i could remove half these apps.....grrr) |
| 03:37:28 | kergoth | hehe. thats how i felt when i first got my z.. hence oz's existance.. |
| 03:37:44 | kergoth | you could pull down the oz buildroot and apply this patch.. and then run 'make kernel' |
| 03:37:47 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:38:02 | lowkey | yeah |
| 03:38:24 | lowkey | i could but i can't afford to make a mistake right now. i really need this working on monday. |
| 03:38:40 | kergoth | ah gotcha |
| 03:39:01 | kergoth | the z is really useful now that there are some decent apps avail |
| 03:39:02 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:39:39 | lowkey | its getting better every day. |
| 03:40:15 | kergoth | indeed |
| 03:56:51 | warmi | blah |
| 03:59:15 | alan6101 | anyone know if sharp is still behind the zaurus or are they getting ready to pull the plug? |
| 04:02:51 | warmi | why do you think they would do that ? |
| 04:03:37 | warmi | they just released new model .. |
| 04:03:52 | alan6101 | just a question, I wonder what kind of sales numbers they have had |
| 04:04:03 | warmi | pretty low |
| 04:04:30 | warmi | They reported 20 000 units sold during first two months ( ending in May) |
| 04:05:03 | alan6101 | the new model, is that the one with no keyboard? |
| 04:05:14 | warmi | they are planing to switch their Japanese Zaurus ( which is very sucesfull over there) to Linux/Qtopia |
| 04:05:15 | warmi | yeah |
| 04:05:19 | warmi | A300 I believe |
| 04:05:30 | alan6101 | what processor does that thing use? |
| 04:05:36 | warmi | XScale |
| 04:06:02 | warmi | http://sharp-world.com/corporate/news/020624.html |
| 04:06:23 | alan6101 | I guess you've seen the news about the ppc xscales poor performance? |
| 04:06:55 | warmi | http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20020624/tc_nm/tech_japan_sharp_dc_1 |
| 04:07:01 | warmi | another story about general Sharp plans |
| 04:07:28 | warmi | yeah, but that says nothing about native XScale performance |
| 04:07:44 | warmi | they were complaining about XSCale being slow emulating previous ARM cpus |
| 04:08:29 | alan6101 | yeah, I heard that part of the problem was in ppc 2002 as well, not being optimized and MS saying they have no plans to release an update |
| 04:09:11 | warmi | aha.. basically ppc 2002 was still optimized for older ARM cpus |
| 04:09:11 | alan6101 | I bought two of the toshiba e740s and had to take them both back, I thought the first one was defective, but it was the same with the second |
| 04:09:20 | warmi | what was wrong ? |
| 04:09:42 | alan6101 | very slow and inconsistent compared to ipaq 3800 series |
| 04:09:58 | warmi | I gather e740 runs XScale ? |
| 04:10:06 | alan6101 | buggy, lots of application crashes using software for arm |
| 04:10:07 | warmi | I mean is powered by XScale |
| 04:10:16 | alan6101 | yes, 400 mhz version |
| 04:10:41 | alan6101 | built in wifi, sd and cf slots |
| 04:10:48 | warmi | supposedly, A300 has everything, kernel, qte and qtopia libs recompiled to using native XScale compiler |
| 04:10:58 | warmi | so it should not have any of these problems |
| 04:11:12 | alan6101 | good, that was kind of the point I was trying to get at in a round about way |
| 04:11:23 | warmi | but that's just what I have heard on this channel from Sharp folks |
| 04:11:40 | warmi | it is by no means official |
| 04:11:47 | alan6101 | with ppc being tied up with poor performance, it would be nice to see linux take it and run |
| 04:11:59 | warmi | they haven't yet decided if A300 wil be released in US/European markets |
| 04:12:07 | warmi | yeah, I agree |
| 04:12:23 | warmi | do you own the ZAurus ? |
| 04:12:53 | alan6101 | yep |
| 04:13:00 | warmi | 5500 ? |
| 04:13:29 | alan6101 | yeah, I like it |
| 04:13:51 | warmi | I have only 5000d , for a while I was hoping that someone would come up with some way to upgrade the memory to at least 64 MB |
| 04:14:06 | alan6101 | the biggest selling point to me was the fact that it had a real OS, not some dumbed down os like ppc is |
| 04:14:07 | warmi | but they say it is impossible so I guess I am stuck with 32 for now |
| 04:14:27 | alan6101 | that new price drop has really made it more attractive |
| 04:14:31 | warmi | heh ... yeah, you can run all kinds of shit on it .. basically anything you can run on the real thing |
| 04:14:46 | alan6101 | best buy is selling them for 399 and a 25 rebate off of that |
| 04:15:13 | alan6101 | yeah, networking in ppc is awful, that's why I ditched my ipaq |
| 04:15:26 | warmi | hpefully it is because they want to make room for another model and not because BB want's to drop it altogether |
| 04:16:00 | alan6101 | I started to put familiar on it, but with no built in keyboard... |
| 04:16:12 | warmi | as far as ppc .. it really depends what you doing with your PDA ... most people are happy being able to do basic syncing etc .. |
| 04:16:20 | warmi | and PPC has tons of apps |
| 04:16:47 | warmi | I gather you are quite familiar with Linux as an OS right ? |
| 04:16:48 | alan6101 | I heard that circuit city dropped the line all together, has me wondering about the future of the device, that and the price drops everywhere |
| 04:17:11 | alan6101 | I'm reasonably familiar, not an expert but not quite a newbie either |
| 04:17:13 | warmi | I didn't know about circut city .. |
| 04:17:36 | [DrEvil] | I never saw the Z at Circuit Shitty |
| 04:17:50 | warmi | oh well .... this device has a bright future asuming Sharp will be willing to stick with it |
| 04:17:53 | jmhodges | is back (gone 03:34:13) |
| 04:18:10 | alan6101 | I did when I first got mine, but ended up buying mine at staples because of their liberal price matching policy |
| 04:18:19 | warmi | eventually Qtopia will mature enough to be on par with PPC and Palm desktops |
| 04:18:57 | kergoth | re |
| 04:18:58 | kergoth | nwn rocks |
| 04:19:01 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:19:02 | kergoth | sup warmi |
| 04:19:24 | alan6101 | ppc is great if you use your device for standard pim stuff, synch, tasks, contacts, but if you're looking for more, it gets really weak |
| 04:19:38 | warmi | anothet gaming session ? |
| 04:19:42 | warmi | heh |
| 04:19:43 | kergoth | heh. the Z isnt a pda, its a handheld computer |
| 04:19:44 | kergoth | yeh |
| 04:19:54 | kergoth | back to the kernel coding a bit |
| 04:19:57 | kergoth | now |
| 04:20:24 | alan6101 | yep, that's what I wanted, a handhelp computer so I didn't have to lug my bigass laptop around all the time |
| 04:20:33 | warmi | alan6101: agreed .. but people at places like BestBuy and CC do not look for "more" .. they are happy with standard stuff you described |
| 04:20:45 | lowkey | kergoth: the Z is everything i ever wanted in a mobile tool. |
| 04:20:57 | lowkey | i hardly every carry my laptop anymore. |
| 04:21:21 | kergoth | yeah, same here. though i still need a new laptop for coding reasons.. the z covers everything else |
| 04:21:22 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:21:24 | lowkey | err ever |
| 04:21:27 | alan6101 | right, makes me think sharp should think about a zaurus marketing campaign that focuses on "geeks" for lack of a better word |
| 04:21:30 | warmi | if anything Sharp should be pitching this device as a great tool for corporate enviroments where connectivity to other platforms/servers is importand |
| 04:21:41 | lowkey | yeah i got a nice workstation at home for big jobs. |
| 04:22:19 | kergoth | The Z is a great product for niche apps also |
| 04:22:28 | alan6101 | my laptop is windows, have to have it for work reasons, someone has to pay the bills :) |
| 04:22:32 | warmi | maybe they should make 180 .. and start competing against GameBoys of this world. .. |
| 04:22:33 | warmi | :-) |
| 04:23:51 | alan6101 | anyone use the kompany's replacement apps for the z? |
| 04:24:09 | lowkey | with the two expansion slots, the Z is about perfect for everything i need. |
| 04:24:21 | lowkey | ok, maybe more flash but other than that perfect. |
| 04:24:27 | kergoth | only tkc app i bought is tkcmahjonng.. though ill probably grab tkceditor as well. |
| 04:25:26 | SirPsycho-home | are any 3rd party stylus compatiable with the slot on the Z? |
| 04:26:09 | alan6101 | the stock mail, contacts, and tasks are not quite up to speed imho, but I've heard the kompany replacements are very nice |
| 04:26:31 | lowkey | i could use a good notes program. |
| 04:26:37 | kergoth | hm. i'm bored. i think i'll start re-reading the hitchhikers guide books |
| 04:26:39 | lowkey | anyone try IQNotes yet? |
| 04:27:08 | kergoth | yeh iqnotes is nice if you need a hierarchical notes app.. for outlining and the like. i use it for managing the shit i need to get done on my projects |
| 04:27:11 | kergoth | the UI could use some work though |
| 04:27:20 | lowkey | cool |
| 04:27:39 | lowkey | what i'd really like is kvim but i'm not sure i can make it small enough.... |
| 04:28:51 | warmi | I thought mark was working on kvim |
| 04:29:11 | kergoth | yeah he was |
| 04:29:14 | kergoth | not sure where he left off |
| 04:29:20 | alan6101 | any of you guys use a cf 802.11b card? |
| 04:29:25 | kergoth | last i heard he was dealing with parts of qt3 that it used |
| 04:29:28 | kergoth | alan6101: yep |
| 04:29:36 | alan6101 | which one you using? |
| 04:29:40 | lowkey | warmi: well kvim is just the start, cause as soon as I have it i want exuberant-c-tags, and a few other coding tools. |
| 04:29:45 | lowkey | its space fast. |
| 04:29:57 | kergoth | lowkey: ask mark, since he's been working on it |
| 04:30:00 | warmi | http://www.houseoffish.org/snapshot14.png |
| 04:30:01 | lowkey | alan6101: linksys wfc11. don't get it. |
| 04:30:09 | kergoth | alan6101: i have the dlink. huge, consumes lots of power |
| 04:30:27 | alan6101 | I had the dlink and took it back for those reasons |
| 04:30:28 | SirPsycho-home | alan6101: I have dlink one.. wep and kismet work out of the box.. but i cant take my stylus out with it in or use the headphones |
| 04:30:29 | kergoth | alan6101: check the ZZ howtos. one of them covers wireless. http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos iirc |
| 04:30:31 | warmi | looks like he got vim working on the framebuffer |
| 04:30:38 | kergoth | alan6101: it reviews range and the like |
| 04:30:42 | lowkey | mmmm pretty |
| 04:31:09 | alan6101 | SirPsycho, that drove me mad, the stylys/headphones issue |
| 04:31:14 | lowkey | i had to modify my linksys card to get the stylus out with it in. |
| 04:31:32 | SirPsycho-home | i just managed to break my stylus tonite.. guess i wont have that problem anymore =( |
| 04:31:39 | lowkey | used a nice rounded file to trim it back 3-4 mm. |
| 04:32:01 | alan6101 | have you seen the new netgear card, it's very small and one guy told me it worked fine with his z, probably just a plain intersil card like the linksys and dlink |
| 04:32:02 | warmi | lowkey: are you planning to actually develop on the ZAurus ? |
| 04:32:27 | lowkey | warmi: not much, but i need to be able to edit a lot of config files |
| 04:32:36 | lowkey | warmi: mainly ssh and minicom |
| 04:32:40 | warmi | yeah, that's true |
| 04:33:10 | warmi | lowkey: you are comfortable with vi and derivatives? |
| 04:33:23 | lowkey | warmi: i'm using it to help admin clusters. its a lot easier than dragging around a laptop. |
| 04:33:28 | lowkey | warmi: very |
| 04:33:32 | alan6101 | you guys develop in java or c? |
| 04:33:38 | lowkey | alan6101: perl. |
| 04:33:45 | warmi | ok .. hehe .. admin type work |
| 04:33:57 | warmi | alan6101: 95% folks around here use qt |
| 04:34:01 | alan6101 | that's what I want to use my z for, admin stuff |
| 04:34:13 | kergoth | lowkey: ah admin, so are you as annoyed as I that the serial cable cant be used at the same time as the hardware keyboard? |
| 04:34:24 | warmi | there are some java oddballs like Twiun ( who is not here I believe) |
| 04:34:24 | warmi | hehe |
| 04:34:25 | lowkey | kergoth: working on a mod. |
| 04:34:53 | lowkey | kergoth: i got the local electronics shop tracking down a connector for me and then i'll make a custom cable. |
| 04:35:09 | alan6101 | my development skills are pretty much limited to windows, vb and some c# |
| 04:35:19 | kergoth | lowkey: nice. please document if you do :-) |
| 04:35:25 | lowkey | kergoth: will do. |
| 04:35:53 | lowkey | kergoth: buy this and that. use multimeter to determine pinout. have fun. <---- is that complete enough docs? |
| 04:36:22 | alan6101 | I did development in college... in fortran, cobol, pascal, and rpg :) real useful now :( |
| 04:36:34 | kergoth | lowkey: hah |
| 04:36:38 | warmi | alan6101: hehehe |
| 04:36:55 | warmi | cobol lives on |
| 04:37:02 | lowkey | kergoth: no, i'll make sure to keep good notes. |
| 04:37:12 | warmi | it will never die .. and surely will outlive me |
| 04:37:18 | lowkey | kergoth: from what i've read there are a lot of people that need em. |
| 04:37:23 | alan6101 | you got to love cobol, write a thousand lines of code to do what a 10 line perl script will do |
| 04:37:27 | kergoth | lowkey: particularly model numbers of the 'this and that' that need to be purchased, would be great. hehe |
| 04:37:43 | kergoth | lowkey: yes it doesnt surprise me. quite a few need it for serial consoling.. others for various other things.. |
| 04:37:45 | kergoth | brb |
| 04:37:47 | lowkey | kergoth: oh yeah. that's been the hard part so far. |
| 04:38:12 | warmi | heh |
| 04:39:15 | warmi | man .. I love tmake |
| 04:41:04 | BSDude | why isn't x11 on the zaurus being actively developed anymore? |
| 04:45:19 | treke|home | when was X ever being activly used on the Z? |
| 04:45:43 | kergoth | heh. fastolfe used it.. |
| 04:47:23 | alan6101 | anyone tried kissmet? |
| 04:48:04 | alan6101 | kismet that is |
| 04:48:53 | kergoth | alan6101: yep |
| 04:49:41 | alan6101 | how is it? |
| 04:49:51 | kergoth | works fine |
| 04:49:59 | kergoth | mspin did a qt interface for it also |
| 04:50:09 | alan6101 | with the linksys card? |
| 04:50:16 | kergoth | with whatever card |
| 04:50:21 | kergoth | except for the symbol/socket |
| 04:50:24 | kergoth | the rest will work fine |
| 04:50:46 | SirPsycho-home | symbol/socket will work according to a recent post on ZZ boards |
| 04:50:56 | SirPsycho-home | you have to upgrade the kernel tho |
| 04:51:17 | kergoth | SirPsycho-home: er. since when? the driver doesnt support the monitor private ioctl.. |
| 04:51:26 | kergoth | SirPsycho-home: at least, it didnt the last time i built the driver... |
| 04:51:31 | kergoth | SirPsycho-home: got a url? |
| 04:51:46 | alan6101 | I'm going to get one of those netgear cards this week, small enough to not block the stylus or headphone jack |
| 04:51:58 | kergoth | netgear? |
| 04:52:00 | kergoth | cf? |
| 04:52:03 | SirPsycho-home | www.zauruszone.com |
| 04:52:05 | kergoth | i didnt know they made cf cards |
| 04:52:07 | alan6101 | yeah, it's new |
| 04:52:20 | kergoth | SirPsycho-home: i know, i meant a url to the article :-) but ill search |
| 04:52:25 | kergoth | alan6101: ah |
| 04:52:28 | SirPsycho-home | goto communications board |
| 04:55:04 | kergoth | SirPsycho-home: thanks for the info. I'll need to apply the necessary patches so that the new Openzaurus release will support it. |
| 04:55:41 | alan6101 | http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/invboard/index.php?act=ST&f=5&t=571&s=2a6be7e61ced69dda3aa87b5d3247e5a |
| 04:55:41 | SirPsycho-home | cool.. i gonna get one them cards at some point.. want everything supported tho =) |
| 04:55:58 | alan6101 | thread about the netgear card |
| 04:56:24 | warmi | kergoth: do you run KDE on your Linux desktop machine ? |
| 04:56:29 | kergoth | alan6101: hows the range compare to the smc/buffalo card? and how does the power consumption compare to the symbol/socket card? hehe |
| 04:56:33 | kergoth | warmi: yeah |
| 04:57:17 | alan6101 | that I don't know, I just like the fact that it doesn't cover anything up and it is a lot cheaper than the socket card |
| 04:57:44 | kergoth | k |
| 04:57:59 | kergoth | I try to keep up on whats the current best so that when i replace the dlink i have something nice |
| 04:58:00 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:59:16 | alan6101 | netgear card is about 90-97 bucks online, or about 120 at compusa |
| 04:59:46 | warmi | cheap |
| 05:00:07 | alan6101 | just print the online price and staples will match it though, that's how I got my z for under 400 two months ago |
| 05:03:32 | alan6101 | anyone tried to run rdesktop on the z? |
| 05:10:03 | alan6101 | anyone tried to run rdesktop on the z? |
| 05:10:15 | kergoth | didnt you just ask that? |
| 05:10:17 | kergoth | heh |
| 05:10:35 | kergoth | someone was working on it, but i dunno how far they got |
| 05:11:17 | alan6101 | oops, fat fingers |
| 05:11:59 | alan6101 | I admin a bunch of windows machines, they all have terminal services installed, would be nice to use rdesktop |
| 05:29:35 | nhudson | can anyone help me get my wireless card to work with OZ? |
| 05:31:03 | lowkey | nhudson: which card? |
| 05:31:29 | nhudson | D-link DCF-650W |
| 05:31:48 | lowkey | that should work. but i don't have one of those so........ |
| 05:32:05 | nhudson | I know thats what the wiki says |
| 05:32:10 | nhudson | but it doesnt |
| 05:33:46 | lowkey | nhudson: i have the same problem with my linksys wfc11. |
| 05:34:07 | lowkey | nhudson: kergoth is working on a patch for it which should be out soon. maybe it will fix yours too. |
| 05:34:44 | nhudson | well this blows ... how am I gonna switch back to qtopia then? |
| 05:35:00 | lowkey | do what i did. |
| 05:35:20 | lowkey | buy a cheap usb to compact flash writer. use that to write the file to the card. then flash the rom. |
| 05:35:23 | lowkey | $24 |
| 05:35:47 | lowkey | plus its nice for loading OGGs onto cards. |
| 05:36:18 | nhudson | grrr where am I suppost to buy one at 12:30 in the morning? |
| 05:36:21 | nhudson | :) |
| 05:36:55 | nhudson | seems like the OZ rom takes up alot of disk space |
| 05:37:05 | lowkey | how do you figure? |
| 05:37:40 | lowkey | mine had almost 5mb free flash space. |
| 05:38:20 | lowkey | and remember you can remove apps you don't use from OZ (can't do that with the sharp rom.....) |
| 05:39:07 | nhudson | oh i see all the stuff installed now |
| 05:42:07 | W|GGL|T | the new OZ ready? |
| 05:42:22 | nhudson | heya jmhodges |
| 05:42:33 | W|GGL|T | hi jmhodges |
| 05:43:07 | jmhodges | hey nhudson W|GGL|T! |
| 05:43:19 | jmhodges | W|GGL|T: holy crap.. is the new OZ rom out? |
| 05:43:34 | W|GGL|T | well, beta 10.1 |
| 05:44:04 | W|GGL|T | supposedly almost ready/already ready |
| 05:44:47 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 05:44:51 | W|GGL|T | but i dont see anything new on the OZ site |
| 05:48:19 | ][N-Flux | is away: Eternal Darkness |
| 05:48:42 | jmhodges | thanks W|GGL|T |
| 05:48:59 | W|GGL|T | huh? what'd i do? |
| 05:49:55 | jmhodges | telling me the info on oz rom |
| 05:50:13 | W|GGL|T | oh |
| 05:50:14 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 05:50:18 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 05:51:43 | W|GGL|T | hrmmm...i guess no OZ tonite then |
| 05:52:50 | jmhodges | :( |
| 05:53:15 | W|GGL|T | hehe...i been asking all day |
| 06:28:49 | sig | jmhodges: whats up |
| 06:28:57 | jmhodges | not much sig! |
| 06:29:06 | sig | I'm bored |
| 06:29:08 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 06:29:17 | sig | you got anymore of those funny cookie logs? |
| 06:29:27 | jmhodges | lol |
| 06:29:33 | jmhodges | that was from this site |
| 06:29:58 | jmhodges | http://www.geekissues.org/quotes/?top |
| 06:30:03 | jmhodges | well.. minus the ?top |
| 06:30:08 | jmhodges | ?random is also good |
| 06:30:10 | sig | heh |
| 06:30:59 | sig | lol |
| 06:31:03 | sig | this quote is funny |
| 06:31:08 | sig | <[SA]HatfulOfHollow> i'm going to become rich and famous after i invent a device that allows you to stab people in the face over the internet+ |
| 06:31:28 | jmhodges | i love that one |
| 06:37:27 | XavierXeon | "<+kritical> christin: you need to learn how to figure out stuff yourself.. |
| 06:37:27 | XavierXeon | <+Christin1> how do i do that" |
| 06:39:13 | jmhodges | heheh |
| 06:45:03 | sig | jmhodges: |
| 06:45:05 | sig | <@wickedsun> I dont know the difference between games and reality anymore |
| 06:45:09 | sig | thats messed up |
| 06:45:10 | sig | lol |
| 06:45:11 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 06:45:13 | jmhodges | i love those |
| 06:45:18 | jmhodges | theres a few like that ;) |
| 06:45:25 | sig | those are so funny |
| 06:46:12 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 06:46:17 | NeoTron | anyone around? |
| 06:46:23 | jmhodges | well.. ya |
| 06:46:45 | NeoTron | check out the new menues at http://eongames.com/ - whatcha think? Like, for example, http://eongames.com/games/bustem/shots.html |
| 06:47:12 | NeoTron | very.. basic |
| 06:48:06 | NeoTron | meaning, plain text, nothing fancy |
| 06:48:10 | NeoTron | but very usable imho |
| 06:50:04 | jmhodges | heh.. sorry im busy .. bandwidth going elsewhere |
| 06:50:12 | NeoTron | doh |
| 06:50:18 | NeoTron | like a few bytes or what not |
| 06:50:19 | jmhodges | :( |
| 06:50:28 | jmhodges | ok ok ! |
| 06:50:32 | jmhodges | you guilted me into it :) |
| 06:51:25 | NeoTron | I'm trying to tweak layout some at the moment btw |
| 06:51:47 | jmhodges | i like NeoTron |
| 06:51:53 | jmhodges | :D |
| 06:53:08 | sig | <Mr_Ed> I need to get a dishwasher.... but where the fuck will I find a whore like that |
| 06:53:10 | sig | lol |
| 06:53:23 | jmhodges | <Sharkey> And you're DMing an rpg with Anus Shades. |
| 06:53:30 | jmhodges | lol sig |
| 06:53:34 | sig | haha |
| 06:53:35 | jmhodges | havent seent that one ;) |
| 06:53:35 | Com[Plex] | hey uh, anyone here had a chance to use this scummvm emulator yet? |
| 06:53:45 | Com[Plex] | its on the zsi |
| 06:54:36 | Com[Plex] | it loads the game okay, but the touch screens rotated the wrong way. |
| 06:54:54 | jmhodges | http://www.geekissues.org/quotes/?5377 |
| 06:54:59 | Com[Plex] | :< so I cant click on stuff and do whatever because the damned cusors on the wrong part of the screen. |
| 06:55:46 | jmhodges | ouch |
| 06:56:14 | Com[Plex] | its such a tease too, Ive been wanting to play day of the tentacle for months. |
| 06:56:26 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 06:56:39 | Com[Plex] | frowns |
| 06:58:03 | jmhodges | :( that better? ;) |
| 06:58:29 | Com[Plex] | hmm.. |
| 06:58:45 | Com[Plex] | Id like to know who ported this. I wanna see if they are continuing to work on it. |
| 06:59:08 | Com[Plex] | if not, Id like the source to fiddle with. they got nothing of this on the site. just the executables |
| 06:59:34 | Com[Plex] | im gonna try to see if I can control it better through vnc |
| 06:59:38 | XavierXeon | Com[Plex]: you have to use the screen rotation app to rotate screen first |
| 07:00:00 | Com[Plex] | XavierXeon: that would make sense, only the application rotates the screen allready |
| 07:00:22 | Com[Plex] | so if I rotated the screen, - the app would rotate it too, and it would be upside down. |
| 07:00:32 | Com[Plex] | and sideways |
| 07:00:58 | XavierXeon | if you start scummwm rotated it will still be in the same position, but the mouse input should rotate over scummwm |
| 07:02:52 | Com[Plex] | k. Ill try that. where can I find the rotator app again? |
| 07:03:11 | Com[Plex] | theres still no way to close exit this thing without a reset. |
| 07:03:12 | Com[Plex] | grumble |
| 07:03:22 | XavierXeon | NeoTron: like the menus. simple but usable ! |
| 07:03:31 | sig | <nmatrix9> I ask you to show me a freaking Jet fighting game you show a plane made out of balsa wood |
| 07:03:31 | sig | <_JeReMy_> ? |
| 07:03:31 | sig | <_JeReMy_> wtf |
| 07:03:33 | XavierXeon | Com[Plex]: zz feed i believe |
| 07:04:16 | | feed is a package repository or http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds or http://www.zauruszone.com/feed/ or http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/ for OpenZaurus |
| 07:04:16 | Com[Plex] | ibot feed |
| 07:04:55 | NeoTron | XavierXeon: thanks. :) |
| 07:05:12 | NeoTron | and the best of all - I edit it in a simple text file and it also creates the titles of the pages |
| 07:05:25 | Com[Plex] | is there a rotation thats /not/ made for opie? |
| 07:05:48 | XavierXeon | Com[Plex]: yes. i have a look |
| 07:06:18 | Com[Plex] | ? |
| 07:07:05 | XavierXeon | Com[Plex]: qpe_extra on http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=39939 |
| 07:07:40 | Com[Plex] | sweet :> |
| 07:15:01 | NeoTron | http://eongames.com/games/bustem/download.html <-- Bust'em demo officially available |
| 07:17:27 | Com[Plex] | whats bustem? no screen shots? |
| 07:17:38 | XavierXeon | NeoTron: still same features in demo as 2 days ago ? |
| 07:17:45 | NeoTron | XavierXeon: identical |
| 07:17:49 | XavierXeon | ok |
| 07:17:56 | SirPsycho-home | there are screen shots of it |
| 07:17:57 | NeoTron | Com[Plex]: uh, is the menus really so bad? :P |
| 07:19:17 | XavierXeon | NeoTron: maybe you should add spaces between the menu levels |
| 07:19:22 | Com[Plex] | huh? |
| 07:19:23 | jmhodges | LOL -> http://www.geekissues.org/quotes/?8717 |
| 07:19:37 | NeoTron | Com[Plex]: "Screenshots" is right in the menu |
| 07:20:03 | Com[Plex] | "The known problems are: |
| 07:20:03 | Com[Plex] | The screenshot feature isn't functional yet. |
| 07:20:10 | Com[Plex] | thats why I asked "no screenshots" |
| 07:20:12 | Com[Plex] | sorry |
| 07:20:28 | XavierXeon | screenshots section works for me |
| 07:20:50 | Com[Plex] | thats not what i meant |
| 07:21:18 | NeoTron | Com[Plex]: ah, yes, there is an in-game screenshot feature which I have not fixed yet |
| 07:21:23 | Com[Plex] | whoa,. whos the penny arcade fan? |
| 07:21:47 | NeoTron | It's made by digital concept's |
| 07:21:57 | NeoTron | concepts even |
| 07:22:00 | Com[Plex] | ah |
| 07:22:03 | XavierXeon | Interstellar Flames looks cool |
| 07:22:07 | Com[Plex] | is this pinball? or something else? |
| 07:22:15 | Com[Plex] | breakout? |
| 07:22:18 | NeoTron | yes |
| 07:22:22 | NeoTron | but cooler |
| 07:22:44 | Com[Plex] | sweet |
| 07:22:57 | NeoTron | the pad moves in all directions up to an upper level (which can move) and when things are destroyed they create piles of debris on the bottom which eventually might hinder movement |
| 07:23:02 | SirPsycho-home | cool.. i got a backtrace on your site NeoTron |
| 07:23:13 | Com[Plex] | touch screen? or dpad? |
| 07:24:22 | NeoTron | SirPsycho-home: eek. what url? |
| 07:24:36 | Com[Plex] | having the balls tracer like that must make it really easy to see on the z screen |
| 07:24:39 | NeoTron | Com[Plex]: either |
| 07:24:54 | Com[Plex] | this game looks Sick. |
| 07:24:56 | NeoTron | the tracing only happens when you get the "insane ball speed" powerup |
| 07:24:59 | SirPsycho-home | i was reading the diary.. |
| 07:25:02 | NeoTron | which, well, makes it damn hard to see anyway |
| 07:25:25 | Com[Plex] | oh... |
| 07:25:26 | Com[Plex] | heh |
| 07:25:29 | NeoTron | SirPsycho-home: Hrm. odd. I was editing the menu thing a while ago |
| 07:25:38 | SirPsycho-home | i cant get it to repeat |
| 07:26:05 | NeoTron | SirPsycho-home: aha, I know why. :P |
| 07:26:11 | NeoTron | it's because I was editing it etc |
| 07:36:10 | SirPsycho-home | hey NeoTron.. you cant get to bugtracker |
| 07:36:51 | NeoTron | I kno |
| 07:36:53 | NeoTron | know even |
| 07:37:00 | NeoTron | missing php support... |
| 07:37:05 | NeoTron | I'm going to switch to bugzilla |
| 07:37:11 | NeoTron | so I won't bother fixing it |
| 07:38:29 | NeoTron | page updated |
| 08:06:29 | XavierXeon | W|GGL|T: are you around ? |
| 08:06:45 | W|GGL|T | yes |
| 08:06:51 | W|GGL|T | about to hit the hay |
| 08:07:11 | Com[Plex] | xav, you were right, the rotation appplet made the touch screen match the scummvms screen. |
| 08:07:15 | XavierXeon | i just woke up :) |
| 08:07:29 | W|GGL|T | damn...where you at? |
| 08:07:48 | Com[Plex] | I jasut played about 10 minutes of dott. and I got a headache. screesn too friggin small to have that dark blue on black text. |
| 08:08:05 | XavierXeon | W|GGL|T: i had another look at your website. if you want to attract an employer with it you should maybe use php/sql for your site |
| 08:08:40 | XavierXeon | W|GGL|T: localtime is 10 am in germany |
| 08:09:12 | killefiz | XavierXeon: OZ works fine with WLAN now - no lockups |
| 08:09:42 | W|GGL|T | yeah, i bought a php book not too long ago...just need to actually implement stuff in the book onto the website |
| 08:09:50 | XavierXeon | killefiz: i will try oz later again. did you have to do anything or did it just work ? |
| 08:10:22 | killefiz | Nothing special but editing wireless.opts |
| 08:10:45 | W|GGL|T | that, and my kids are driving me nuts. the only time i can actually do computer things is after like 10pm and im usually burned out :o( |
| 08:11:12 | XavierXeon | killefiz: i had some router trouble. oz worked, sharp didn't. i upgraded the firmware ad now it is the other way round |
| 08:11:35 | XavierXeon | W|GGL|T: kids do that. |
| 08:13:29 | W|GGL|T | yeah...my wife is on a 6 month business trip, so I'm pulling double duty |
| 08:14:50 | XavierXeon | 6 months ? that is a long time ! where is she ? |
| 08:16:20 | W|GGL|T | she's on assignment with a special unit that's involved with the war in Afghanistan |
| 08:16:44 | XavierXeon | sounds dangerous |
| 08:17:23 | W|GGL|T | she's still in the U.S. though (florida) |
| 08:17:36 | XavierXeon | good for her (and you) |
| 08:18:06 | W|GGL|T | yeah. i think i need a job now, just to get out of the house. hehehe |
| 08:18:52 | XavierXeon | is trying OZ flashback (drugs are dangerous kids) |
| 08:19:45 | XavierXeon | W|GGL|T: don't know about the states, but in europe it is pretty easy to get a job if you can program |
| 08:23:21 | W|GGL|T | the last time i coded anything was almost 4 years ago and it was just classroom crap :o( |
| 08:23:38 | W|GGL|T | i suppose i should quit IRCing as much and hit some coding books :o) |
| 08:25:07 | W|GGL|T | nite XavierXeon |
| 08:25:14 | W|GGL|T | thanks for the php tip |
| 08:25:33 | W|GGL|T | is away: nite all...cya onna flipside! |
| 09:16:05 | killefiz | where can I get an ntpdate ipk? |
| 09:18:03 | zecke | killefiz: familiar feed or debian arm? |
| 09:22:38 | killefiz | do the familiar ipk's work on Z? |
| 09:23:09 | zecke | killefiz: They should.... |
| 09:23:45 | killefiz | what's the familiar-feed-url? |
| 09:24:41 | zecke | killefiz: let me check |
| 09:26:08 | zecke | killefiz http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/feed/unstable |
| 09:26:20 | zecke | or |
| 09:26:44 | zecke | killefiz http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/feed/releases/v0.5.2/packages/armv4l |
| 09:28:19 | XavierXeon | has kergoth said anything on the progress on oz3beta10.1 while i was asllep ? |
| 09:28:50 | killefiz | zecke: thanks - it works |
| 09:28:59 | killefiz | (after changing feed to feeds) |
| 09:29:19 | SirPsycho-home | are there any disadvantages to running OZ? For some reason i think i read somewhere that SD cards dont work with it.. |
| 09:31:03 | XavierXeon | had only problem with sd acrd and nomtdram kernel |
| 09:31:11 | zecke | oh ok |
| 09:33:02 | killefiz | XavierXeon: Did you flash OZ again? |
| 09:33:30 | XavierXeon | not yet am busy on #kwave (am a developer there) |
| 09:33:45 | killefiz | wonders what kwave is |
| 09:34:09 | killefiz | ah .. A simple digital sound signal editor for KDE |
| 09:37:41 | wembly | seen speed2 |
| 09:38:22 | wembly | w |
| 09:38:26 | wembly | err sorry |
| 11:05:07 | XavierXeon | killefiz : had network trouble with oz again, switched back to sharp |
| 11:05:20 | XavierXeon | wants wlan to work on oz |
| 11:16:22 | George- | ok |
| 11:16:27 | George- | how do I get scratches out of my screen? |
| 11:37:14 | Wint | Quiet today |
| 11:37:56 | George- | ok |
| 11:38:05 | George- | any experts on OZ? |
| 11:41:52 | Wintre | OZ? |
| 11:42:10 | XavierXeon | hi Cloud |
| 11:42:22 | XavierXeon | OZ = open zaurus |
| 11:42:31 | Cloudchaser | 'mornin |
| 11:42:57 | XavierXeon | again afternoon here :) |
| 11:43:04 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
| 11:43:58 | XavierXeon | George-: what's yout trouble with OZ |
| 11:44:12 | George- | XavierXeon: uhm |
| 11:44:23 | George- | XavierXeon: It won't automagically mount an ext2 CF card |
| 11:44:43 | XavierXeon | hace you tried to mount it manually |
| 11:45:37 | XavierXeon | thinks football sucks (thats soccer in the US) |
| 11:49:05 | George- | XavierXeon: yes, and it works |
| 11:49:17 | George- | XavierXeon: but I hate it how it automatically mounts it as vfat |
| 11:50:54 | XavierXeon | George-: did you not say its ext2 ? |
| 11:51:04 | George- | it is ext2 |
| 11:51:13 | George- | but OZ keeps automouting it as vfat |
| 11:51:20 | George- | which is starting to really PISS ME OFF!!!! :) |
| 11:51:47 | XavierXeon | change the entry for /dev/hda1 in /etc/fstab from auto to ext2 |
| 11:52:04 | George- | I did that |
| 11:52:18 | George- | but I can't remember if it worked or not |
| 11:52:22 | George- | (I don't think it did) |
| 11:52:47 | XavierXeon | and it still mounts it as vfat ? tell kergoth later on |
| 11:53:27 | George- | I think it did mount as ext2 then, but that it all died when a reboot came |
| 11:54:22 | XavierXeon | file in a bug report and/or tell kergoth |
| 11:54:39 | XavierXeon | remember it is still beta |
| 11:58:54 | Cloudchaser | hey xx.. i've been reading on the zz about people having to hard reset their z's and losing everything... |
| 11:59:12 | Cloudchaser | I've never had to do that....I was wondering what might cause that |
| 11:59:41 | XavierXeon | i don't know but it happened to me a couple of times |
| 12:00:24 | XavierXeon | either the z didn't suspend or after reboot the sharp logo came up unlit and nothing else happened |
| 12:01:00 | Cloudchaser | with the regular sharp rom or oz? |
| 12:01:13 | XavierXeon | i think it is a file system error in the /dev/mmtdblock1 device |
| 12:01:50 | XavierXeon | sharp rom only, on oz i managed twice to get segmentation faults on qpe binary |
| 12:02:24 | Cloudchaser | have you tried the new rom? |
| 12:02:32 | Cloudchaser | 2.37? |
| 12:02:48 | XavierXeon | latest rom here is 2.13G. 2.36 will come out mid of july |
| 12:02:58 | Cloudchaser | ah |
| 12:03:36 | XavierXeon | i could load an american rom, but it always annoys me that y and z are interchanged on the keyboard |
| 12:04:08 | Cloudchaser | yeah its hard to use another nationality's keyboard |
| 12:04:17 | Cloudchaser | i had to use french keyboard one day |
| 12:04:25 | Cloudchaser | ack! was very hard |
| 12:04:43 | Cloudchaser | hiya ljp |
| 12:04:58 | XavierXeon | i lived in london for 4 years and was totaly unable to use the computers from the university pool |
| 12:06:13 | ljp_studio | George-: did you fdisk it before you formatted the cf card? |
| 12:06:19 | ljp_studio | hi cloud |
| 12:06:20 | George- | ljp_studio: yes |
| 12:12:52 | ljp | hmm |
| 12:13:02 | George- | ok |
| 12:13:20 | George- | anyone know why OZ's nomtdram says my Z has 64MB RAM (I have a 5000D) |
| 12:16:48 | XavierXeon | you also have the cf problems with nomtdram kernel ? |
| 12:17:07 | George- | yes |
| 12:17:23 | George- | but I have other problems with the nomtdram kernel |
| 12:17:29 | George- | ie - it thinks I have 64MB ram |
| 12:17:35 | Cloudchaser | i don't suppose there's any way to copy and paste from z to pc with vnc? |
| 12:17:41 | George- | and if it tries to access RAM > 32MB, the system freezes |
| 12:18:16 | XavierXeon | i think it is a bug. i heard it before. do not know how to work around it |
| 12:21:47 | XavierXeon | Cloudchaser: i can't copy and paste with the keyboard while using vnc |
| 12:24:56 | Cloudchaser | hehe didn't think so |
| 12:25:03 | Cloudchaser | ok next question...wget |
| 12:25:21 | XavierXeon | yes |
| 12:25:22 | Cloudchaser | if i go to a web page and get the url i want.. |
| 12:25:38 | Cloudchaser | how do i get wget to just get that one page and its artwork? |
| 12:26:40 | XavierXeon | dont know about the artwork, but wget http://someURL will get you the page |
| 12:26:50 | Cloudchaser | yes it will get me the entire thing |
| 12:26:56 | Cloudchaser | which is many levels deep |
| 12:27:16 | Cloudchaser | i did that once and got the entier new york city transist website ;) |
| 12:27:22 | Cloudchaser | i just want the subway map page |
| 12:27:33 | XavierXeon | unless otherwise specified it is just that html file |
| 12:28:05 | Cloudchaser | ok so if i type wget http://www.mta.nyc.ny.us/nyct/maps/submap.htm |
| 12:28:11 | Cloudchaser | i just get the one page? |
| 12:28:27 | XavierXeon | yes but without pictures |
| 12:28:40 | Cloudchaser | oh i need that or i don't get the subway map ;) |
| 12:29:11 | XavierXeon | wget -p http://url is what you need |
| 12:29:34 | Cloudchaser | thanks ;) i'll try that right now |
| 12:31:50 | George- | oh crap |
| 12:31:54 | George- | 179 emails :( |
| 12:33:28 | George- | ok |
| 12:33:33 | George- | How do I setup a USB network? |
| 12:34:59 | XavierXeon | Cloudchaser: the urls you need are http://www.mta.nyc.ny.us/nyct/maps/sub1a.gif and http://www.mta.nyc.ny.us/nyct/maps/sub2a.gif |
| 12:40:43 | XavierXeon | George-: USB network ? |
| 12:49:25 | Cloudchaser | that worked great XX |
| 12:49:34 | XavierXeon | with pictures |
| 12:49:36 | Cloudchaser | still not the best solution but it worked |
| 12:49:37 | Cloudchaser | yep |
| 12:50:30 | XavierXeon | i should email the author of localizer for a "howto make new maps" thingy |
| 12:57:29 | ljp | kwave eh? |
| 12:57:41 | XavierXeon | jep |
| 12:59:15 | ljp | nice- you have kde2 and kde3 _in the same code_ |
| 12:59:21 | XavierXeon | to big to port to opie though |
| 12:59:28 | ljp | hahaha |
| 12:59:40 | ljp | and a pda would be slow |
| 13:00:06 | XavierXeon | it is extremly hard to install with both kde2 and kde3 in the code. next release will be kde3 only |
| 13:01:00 | Cloudchaser | hmm..i think i'll like a pop up sticky note kind of app |
| 13:01:13 | Cloudchaser | something for when i'm in a hurry |
| 13:01:16 | ljp | sticky note? |
| 13:01:21 | Cloudchaser | hehe yeah |
| 13:01:29 | Cloudchaser | ever see the post it notes type app? |
| 13:01:37 | Cloudchaser | kinda lives in the tray |
| 13:01:49 | Cloudchaser | for situations like this: |
| 13:02:01 | Cloudchaser | I'm talking to someone, i need their phone number |
| 13:02:11 | Cloudchaser | i turn on z, tap little yellow icon |
| 13:02:21 | Cloudchaser | write number in the note with stylus |
| 13:02:39 | Cloudchaser | not a full screen type of thing but a little floating note |
| 13:02:49 | Cloudchaser | close it, it auto saves into a dir |
| 13:02:58 | ljp | ohh.. my gosh.. that'd be easy |
| 13:03:18 | ljp | how does it handle file names? |
| 13:03:27 | Cloudchaser | hehe then later i can add it to address book :) |
| 13:04:22 | Cloudchaser | be nice for it to have option to stay on top or not and be movable on screen with stylus |
| 13:04:51 | ljp | what are the filenames like that it saves.. is it from the note itself? |
| 13:04:55 | Cloudchaser | hehe i'm doing an email to sharp right now |
| 13:05:09 | Cloudchaser | reporting issues with 2.37 and feedback |
| 13:05:22 | Cloudchaser | trying to explain where the z is lacking |
| 13:05:33 | Cloudchaser | from a user standpoint as a pda |
| 13:06:08 | ljp | hahahaha... must be a long email |
| 13:06:20 | Cloudchaser | some things just should NOT be so complicated on a handheld |
| 13:06:23 | Cloudchaser | hehe yea it is |
| 13:06:47 | Cloudchaser | see the z is great and can do a whole lot more than a pda normally can |
| 13:06:57 | Cloudchaser | but it doesn't do some very basic things easily |
| 13:07:03 | mark | yeh. /me concurs |
| 13:07:14 | XavierXeon | what the z needs is more ram |
| 13:07:15 | Twiun | Howdy folks |
| 13:07:17 | ljp | Cloudchaser: like what? |
| 13:07:19 | Cloudchaser | so if it takes 3 times as long to do something simple... |
| 13:07:43 | Cloudchaser | for one..saving web pages |
| 13:07:58 | Cloudchaser | 2 portability of documents |
| 13:08:11 | Cloudchaser | yes i can ftp them |
| 13:08:17 | Cloudchaser | no i don't want to in most cases |
| 13:08:27 | Cloudchaser | hehe i'm a broken record |
| 13:08:45 | Cloudchaser | i figured if i could do it on my 3 year old jornada |
| 13:08:54 | Cloudchaser | i should be able to do it on my brand new z |
| 13:09:00 | ljp | portability? |
| 13:09:05 | Cloudchaser | yes |
| 13:09:21 | Cloudchaser | with my jornada, when synch program installed |
| 13:09:33 | Cloudchaser | it put a "Synchronized folder" on my desktop |
| 13:09:44 | mark | ljp: whats the best way of doing http gets and posts in qt/e? |
| 13:09:48 | Cloudchaser | any docs i wanted to be portable i saved into there in sub folders |
| 13:10:04 | Cloudchaser | all nice an organized..I work on them on my pc |
| 13:10:11 | Cloudchaser | then synch and voila |
| 13:10:24 | Cloudchaser | they are on jornada in same directory structure |
| 13:10:41 | Cloudchaser | i work on them on the handheld, synch and voila |
| 13:10:49 | Cloudchaser | changes saved on pc |
| 13:11:12 | Cloudchaser | if i made changes on both in between synching |
| 13:11:24 | Cloudchaser | i would get a prompt which allowed me to choose which one i wanted |
| 13:11:33 | ljp | hmm thats a nice idea... I'll tell the kitchensync guys, maybe they will add something like that.. |
| 13:11:50 | Cloudchaser | see if i save a web page on my pc |
| 13:12:05 | Cloudchaser | i have no way to get it to the z and maintain its structure |
| 13:12:12 | XavierXeon | ljp : i think the are planning just that |
| 13:12:23 | Cloudchaser | when you do a save as...you get a folder and an html file |
| 13:12:42 | Cloudchaser | when you open the html file you see all teh graphics that were saved in the folder |
| 13:12:46 | ljp | mark: you could either port qhttp (difficult) or use QSockets (difficult), or I believe.. sandman, or spiralman has been working on a minibrowser using QSockets |
| 13:13:04 | Cloudchaser | i tried to ftp the folder/html file over to z to sd card |
| 13:13:11 | Cloudchaser | browser could not open it |
| 13:13:23 | ljp | opera? |
| 13:13:27 | Cloudchaser | yes |
| 13:13:28 | mark | ljp: qhttp uses qnetworkprotocl that qt/e doesnt have, so can't do that one. QSockets, hmm. |
| 13:13:41 | XavierXeon | ljp: still most people use windoze as their pc platform (please insert your own M$ abuse here) |
| 13:13:58 | Cloudchaser | espcially for work |
| 13:14:03 | ljp | markL get ahold of one of those guys, as they have worked on http already |
| 13:14:28 | ljp | XavierXeon: I am aware of that.. I also use win2k ;) |
| 13:14:35 | Cloudchaser | basically the Documents tab is useless |
| 13:14:41 | mark | ljp: k, i will |
| 13:15:54 | ljp | useless in what way? too many files all together? |
| 13:18:35 | Cloudchaser | yes but also no way for me to drag a folder into synch program and have it maintain some sort of order |
| 13:18:50 | XavierXeon | all sort of unwanted things show up in the documnets (unless you fix it or use opie) and it is not easy to navigate |
| 13:18:52 | Cloudchaser | the docs tab doesn't tell me where my files are so i still have to search for them |
| 13:18:57 | Cloudchaser | that too! |
| 13:19:11 | Cloudchaser | whats with all the .png files there? |
| 13:19:39 | Cloudchaser | or maybe i mean the .desktop files |
| 13:19:53 | Cloudchaser | still needs more caffeine :) |
| 13:20:41 | XavierXeon | There you should be document location which you can just order in anyway you like instead of app/ipk audio/ogg etc |
| 13:21:10 | Cloudchaser | yep |
| 13:21:10 | XavierXeon | and you should be able to choose were this document location is ! |
| 13:22:03 | Cloudchaser | and you shouldl be able to drag directories over to the qtopia desktop although that synch folder would be better |
| 13:22:26 | Cloudchaser | imagine if every document showed up on your pc in one window!!! |
| 13:22:36 | Cloudchaser | have to scroll through to find it! |
| 13:22:38 | mark | yeh it'd be good if you could see ur Z through win explorer |
| 13:22:39 | zecke | mark: qt/e got qnetworkprotocol... at least the old sdk did |
| 13:22:56 | mark | zecke: its #defined out in the qconfig-qpe.h i have here |
| 13:23:13 | XavierXeon | mark: you can see your z through win explorer |
| 13:23:14 | Cloudchaser | mark doesn't samba do that? |
| 13:23:26 | Cloudchaser | hasn't attempted that yet |
| 13:23:28 | ljp | ya thats why you'll need to use QSockets ;( |
| 13:23:48 | mark | XavierXeon: can you ? can you like drag files to it and stuff? |
| 13:23:55 | mark | Cloudchaser: yeh, i mean on default rom though |
| 13:24:00 | Cloudchaser | true |
| 13:24:07 | Cloudchaser | definitely |
| 13:24:11 | XavierXeon | yes, just run samba server on the Z |
| 13:24:23 | Cloudchaser | would be hard for most users to get that set up |
| 13:24:35 | XavierXeon | it should be a part of the rom |
| 13:24:38 | mark | the new sync software provides that I think, judging by that sl-a300 press release |
| 13:24:41 | Cloudchaser | also what happens when you have to change passwords on your pc? |
| 13:24:46 | Cloudchaser | or if you use dhcp? |
| 13:24:54 | zecke | mark: just copy the GPL version and do QInitNetworkProtocols() IIRC |
| 13:24:58 | Cloudchaser | thats the SLA300!!!! |
| 13:25:03 | Cloudchaser | not the 5500/5000! |
| 13:25:23 | mark | i know, but it uses the new sync software i think |
| 13:25:30 | mark | zecke: and then copy qhttp over? |
| 13:25:49 | Cloudchaser | i got my z 2 months ago and what.. i'm SOL cause a new device is coming out? |
| 13:25:55 | Cloudchaser | that stuff should have come out on Z first! |
| 13:26:01 | ljp | mark: your going to have to also 'port' about 4 files that qhttp needs.. |
| 13:26:08 | zecke | mark: it doesn't matter from where you init the protocols |
| 13:26:10 | XavierXeon | maybe some writes a frontend for the samba server (i don't need it) |
| 13:26:28 | mark | ljp: k, i may just do it with QSockets, it'd be good for me to learn this stuff |
| 13:26:39 | ljp | using QSockets would be easier, I think |
| 13:27:27 | ljp | there's probably a http lib somewhere you could use or something |
| 13:27:46 | mark | or i could use KIO from konqe |
| 13:28:14 | ljp | XavierXeon: have you checked out ReZound? |
| 13:28:56 | ljp | fairly advanced for being 'alpha' |
| 13:29:21 | mark | ljp: whats rezound? |
| 13:29:30 | XavierXeon | ljp: i will try it |
| 13:30:16 | XavierXeon | ljp: but it does not seem to have any features we do not have :) |
| 13:30:52 | ljp | hmmm.. I guess I'll nee to chack out kwave, as I haven't for quite some time |
| 13:31:05 | ljp | rezound is an audio editor |
| 13:31:48 | XavierXeon | ljp: don't be shy to report bugs |
| 13:33:02 | ljp | ok.. kwave uses arts, eh? |
| 13:33:18 | XavierXeon | ljp: or alsa or oss |
| 13:34:15 | ljp | heh.. apparently, I dont have arts headers |
| 13:35:07 | XavierXeon | ljp: its a kde program, kde uses arts as standard sond output |
| 13:36:11 | ljp | I know.. I think I just never got around to installing arts on this box.. more of a standard install |
| 13:37:19 | ljp | I've been scouting around lately for wav file compression |
| 13:37:24 | XavierXeon | most people in europe are using suse or mandrake and both install arts with the default desktop setup |
| 13:38:07 | ljp | I always seem to have problems with arts.. |
| 13:38:17 | ljp | and esd and that kinda thing |
| 13:38:23 | XavierXeon | ljp: what kde version |
| 13:39:20 | ljp | this box has kde2.2 |
| 13:39:44 | ljp | you ever tried teambuilder yet? |
| 13:41:22 | XavierXeon | trolltech teambuilder ? |
| 13:42:38 | XavierXeon | ljp: you probably have a arts version<0.5. they were VERY unreliable |
| 13:43:47 | ljp | whatever versions I have tried, something always goes wrong.. so I havent tried it lately |
| 13:45:15 | George- | OK |
| 13:45:30 | George- | I have setup USB networking between my Z and my Apple laptop (running Gentoo PPC_ |
| 13:45:45 | George- | and my apple is connected via eth0 to my gateway which is connected to the internet |
| 13:45:51 | XavierXeon | i only have sound under linux for about have a year. i didn't bother with my old laptop because it sounded horrible anyway |
| 13:45:54 | George- | how do I get my Z to recognise the gateway ? |
| 13:46:30 | mark | George-: i think there are instructions |
| 13:46:54 | George- | on getting my Z to be able to see my gateway? |
| 13:46:57 | XavierXeon | George-: you should be able to specify the gateway in the network settings |
| 13:47:38 | mark | George-: can you ping the gatewy? |
| 13:47:46 | George- | XavierXeon: The IP addresses between the Z and the Apple are 192.168.129.201 (Z) and 192.168.129.200 (A); the IP address of the Apple on my gateway network is 192.168.1.3 (eth0) and my gateway is 192.168.1.5 (eth0) |
| 13:47:51 | George- | No, I can't ping the gateway |
| 13:47:55 | George- | I'll try again... |
| 13:48:12 | George- | no |
| 13:48:14 | George- | I can't ping it |
| 13:48:27 | XavierXeon | you need to specify a default route on the Z. I have a look where i have seen it |
| 13:49:21 | XavierXeon | George-: http://www.ruault.com/Zaurus/ethernet-over-usb-howto.html section 3 |
| 13:49:40 | XavierXeon | worked for me |
| 13:51:51 | George- | iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -j SNAT -o ethX --to MY_IP |
| 13:51:58 | George- | what's the ethX and MY_IP? |
| 13:52:58 | XavierXeon | ethX is eth= and MY_IP is you WAN ip |
| 13:53:17 | XavierXeon | eth0 |
| 13:54:10 | George- | WAN? |
| 13:54:22 | George- | what is the eth0 for though? |
| 13:55:46 | ljp | eth0 is the ethernet device on the desktop box |
| 13:56:04 | George- | I know, but I'm on dialup, so surely it uses ppp0? |
| 13:56:15 | George- | I'm not sure why iptables needs my eth0 thingy |
| 13:56:45 | mark | its only ppp0 on ur gateway box |
| 13:56:51 | mark | not on ur box the Z is conecting to |
| 13:56:58 | George- | oh right |
| 13:57:05 | George- | what's it on the box my Z is connecting to? |
| 13:58:08 | mark | eth0 |
| 14:00:48 | XavierXeon | George-: i used to do the ethernet over usb thing with ADSL ethX was ppp0 and wan ip was the ip of ppp0 (gets assigned to you dynamically) |
| 14:02:33 | mark | XavierXeon: George- as another box in there though |
| 14:03:07 | George- | so MY_IP is my internet IP address? |
| 14:03:15 | George- | or the IP address of eth0? |
| 14:04:07 | George- | OH YES! |
| 14:04:09 | George- | It works!!! |
| 14:26:36 | killefiz | is there an equivalent for dpkg --force-overwrite on OZ's ipkg? |
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| 14:26:51 | killefiz | Italiener (Plenki, 30.6.2002 16:24) |
| 14:26:54 | killefiz | Wen interessiert denn das? (Mowgli, 30.6.2002 16:22) |
| 14:26:56 | killefiz | Re: ... nur im Fußball! (schnubbi, 30.6.2002 16:19) |
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| 14:34:28 | Cloudchaser | - |
| 14:36:36 | W|GGL|T | - |
| 14:36:45 | W|GGL|T | is back (gone 06:11:11) |
| 14:40:28 | W|GGL|T | morning all |
| 14:42:02 | Cloudchaser | hiya W|GGL|T :) |
| 14:44:39 | W|GGL|T | morning Cloudchaser |
| 14:45:07 | W|GGL|T | needs a GOOD php book |
| 14:45:17 | W|GGL|T | need to check the o'reilly site |
| 14:46:55 | W|GGL|T | lots of timeouts |
| 14:47:18 | Cloudchaser | yeah |
| 14:47:24 | Cloudchaser | i time out alot |
| 14:48:16 | ljp | anyone here know about writing usb drivers? ;) |
| 14:55:46 | Cloudchaser | not me ;) |
| 14:58:46 | ljp | ya, me either, |
| 15:02:43 | W|GGL|T | http://void.printf.net/~chris/petition.pl |
| 15:02:45 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 15:06:20 | George- | heya mark |
| 15:10:37 | George- | what's that new Zaurus A300? |
| 15:10:42 | George- | With the XScale? |
| 15:12:07 | George- | hmm |
| 15:12:22 | George- | wonders why the A300 is a 200MHz XScale instead of a 400MHz XScale |
| 15:12:48 | zecke|away | George-: maybe intel couldn't deliver the 400Mhz in time? |
| 15:13:01 | George- | hehe |
| 15:13:35 | zecke|away | George-: ever asked yourself why the PocketLoox isn't in the stores yet? |
| 15:13:54 | zecke|away | besides that PPC isn't able to use the XScale architecture |
| 15:14:26 | George- | oh right |
| 15:23:08 | | XavierXeon was last seen on #zaurus 1 hours, 22 minutes and 20 seconds ago, saying: George-: i used to do the ethernet over usb thing with ADSL ethX was ppp0 and wan ip was the ip of ppp0 (gets assigned to you dynamically) [Sun Jun 30 15:00:48 2002] |
| 15:23:08 | W|GGL|T | ibot seen XavierXeon |
| 15:31:47 | W|GGL|T | hi SirPsycho-home |
| 15:39:49 | George- | omg |
| 15:39:57 | George- | browsing /. on my Z really rocks :) |
| 16:02:30 | George- | kergoth: ping |
| 16:05:01 | smadt | hi...anyone have problems with their Z locking up on reboot? |
| 16:05:41 | iang | smadt: it gets frozen in some weird graphical state? |
| 16:06:03 | smadt | yeah |
| 16:06:05 | iang | yup |
| 16:06:13 | iang | I find it happens a non-trivial fraction of the time. |
| 16:06:21 | smadt | and needs a hard reset |
| 16:06:40 | smadt | iang: hmm |
| 16:06:56 | iang | To be safe, I do "Terminate qtopia", hit / during "wait... 5...4...", open a console, log in as root, and do "init 6". |
| 16:07:51 | smadt | iang: good idea |
| 16:08:29 | smadt | ive been making sure I have upto date backups but its rather annoying |
| 16:11:34 | smadt | I have rom version 2.14...is that the most recent? |
| 16:13:55 | W|GGL|T | the latest (for 5500) is 2.2 |
| 16:14:17 | Rince | what about 5500G? |
| 16:15:12 | Aquarius | My Linux box isn't noticing my Zaurus when I plug it into the USB cradle and turn it on, and is therefore not creating a usb0 network interface. Is this likely to be a Zaurus problem or a USB problem? I've tried about everything I can think of to fix it :) |
| 16:15:24 | W|GGL|T | Rince: dunno the answer to that one |
| 16:15:32 | Rince | W|GGL|T: I´ll check :-) |
| 16:17:05 | W|GGL|T | Aquarius: that happened to me a few times...rebooting the Z fixes it (move button on back/bottom of the Z to 'replace battery' then back to 'normal operation') |
| 16:17:16 | W|GGL|T | see if that works |
| 16:18:24 | smadt | where can I get the latest rom from? google wont tell me |
| 16:18:26 | Aquarius | tries |
| 16:19:05 | Aquarius | ah-ha-haa! |
| 16:19:07 | Aquarius | Good man! |
| 16:19:15 | W|GGL|T | great! |
| 16:19:16 | Aquarius | I have only spent, like, three days trying to fix tis. |
| 16:19:31 | W|GGL|T | damn |
| 16:19:42 | Aquarius | Never occurred to me to reboot the Z. I assumed it was a desktop problem... |
| 16:19:47 | Aquarius | Oops. Cheers! |
| 16:20:11 | Aquarius | When I rebooted it it fscked. Tat would be the problem, then. Nice one! |
| 16:20:15 | Aquarius | does the dance of joy. |
| 16:20:19 | W|GGL|T | hehe |
| 16:21:44 | W|GGL|T | it did that like 3 times when using XP, then after the last time, i haven't had problems like that anymore (last time was approx. end of april) |
| 16:23:42 | Aquarius | It all works. What happened was that qtopiadesktop crashed while I was syncing -- apparently if that happens it scrags the Z, requiring a fsck. I shall remember that! |
| 16:23:51 | Aquarius | dances again. Right, off to restore all my data :) |
| 16:25:01 | W|GGL|T | good idea |
| 16:38:53 | Cloudchaser | heya.. i have a question for anyone who might know |
| 16:39:07 | Cloudchaser | sometimes web pages adapt to the size of the browser window |
| 16:39:23 | Cloudchaser | sometimes when the window is smaller you have to scroll to the right |
| 16:39:47 | Cloudchaser | does anyone know what code makes it adapt (horizontally)? |
| 16:40:27 | smadt | I guess it depends on the web page html itself unfortunately |
| 16:41:57 | HrAbbey | My understanding is it's extra code to make it not adapt. |
| 16:42:14 | HrAbbey | The way the tables are set up can be either % or fixed. |
| 16:42:49 | HrAbbey | Hmmm... that could be filtered to be changed on the fly... Would people like that? |
| 16:43:53 | siriusnov | hello |
| 16:44:03 | HrAbbey | siriusnov: greetings. |
| 16:44:22 | siriusnov | Whats the difference between Opie, and the stock that comes with the Zaurus |
| 16:44:25 | siriusnov | any advantages? |
| 16:44:34 | HrAbbey | yep. |
| 16:44:41 | siriusnov | like what? |
| 16:44:46 | siriusnov | I just got the zaurus yesterday |
| 16:44:57 | siriusnov | and was browsing sites, I came upon Opie and was curious |
| 16:45:10 | HrAbbey | Don't knnow them all as I don't run it, but they include better document handling, extra pim features, more programs. |
| 16:45:29 | siriusnov | is updating to opie hard? |
| 16:45:37 | siriusnov | I dont have a CF card, I have a SD card tho |
| 16:45:46 | HrAbbey | better internationalizaion, pretty backgound, etc. |
| 16:46:05 | HrAbbey | My understanding is that you'll need an CF card for OpenZaurus. |
| 16:46:11 | siriusnov | =( |
| 16:46:26 | HrAbbey | Many opie apps work on standard Zaurus's though. I run quite a bit that way. |
| 16:46:27 | siriusnov | what's the process involved in updating to Opie? |
| 16:46:47 | siriusnov | Is opie the kernel, and everything or just the qpe part |
| 16:47:03 | HrAbbey | For Zaurus people, use openzaurus, another ROM / kernel /etc, which is flashed with the CF |
| 16:47:11 | HrAbbey | Opie = Qpe part. |
| 16:47:32 | Cloudchaser | HrAbby: ok what i'm looking for is...obviously how to get web pages to fit on z without scrolling right to left |
| 16:47:32 | smadt | HrAbbey: you have a plan to get browser contents to wrap better? |
| 16:47:33 | siriusnov | ok, so 1st u flash openzaurus, then you flash Opie |
| 16:47:44 | siriusnov | right? |
| 16:47:56 | HrAbbey | siriusnov: OpenZaurus comes with Opie. so only 1 flash. |
| 16:48:04 | siriusnov | oh ok |
| 16:48:13 | siriusnov | so I just flash Opie, and IM good to go? |
| 16:48:14 | killefiz | Cloudchaser: Whilst still being readable on desktop browsers? Best guess would be "not at all" |
| 16:48:16 | Cloudchaser | but i need to know what to look for in the code for pages that i've downloaded |
| 16:48:32 | Cloudchaser | killefiz: no it doesn't really have to adapt to desktop |
| 16:48:34 | HrAbbey | Maybe wwwoffle can be made to convert the fixed table widths in HTML into % widths. I can |
| 16:48:45 | HrAbbey | I can't imagine it will work 100% of the time though. |
| 16:48:55 | HrAbbey | Cloudchaser: look at the <table> tags. |
| 16:49:15 | siriusnov | is there a how-to to update to Opie anywhere? |
| 16:49:16 | Cloudchaser | ok but sometimes its not tables |
| 16:49:26 | Cloudchaser | just text |
| 16:49:41 | Cloudchaser | maybe the ones that don't adapt have a fixed width? |
| 16:49:48 | HrAbbey | Cloudchaser: those I have no idea on. Some web designers use table tags for just text though. Have you checked the code? |
| 16:50:03 | Cloudchaser | ok i'll have a look |
| 16:50:05 | HrAbbey | Cloudchaser: I'm just guessing, but yeah. |
| 16:52:24 | HrAbbey | siriusnov: here's info on OpenZaurus http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/wiki/index.php?OpenZaurus |
| 16:52:28 | | well, openzaurus is a Community version of the operating environment for the Sharp Zaurus SL-5x00[d] PDA. See http://openzaurus.sf.net/. or http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/ |
| 16:52:28 | HrAbbey | ibot openzaurus? |
| 16:53:21 | siriusnov | k, but since im just going to flash Opie and it also updates the kernel, I dont need OpenZaurus right? |
| 16:53:23 | Cloudchaser | HrAbbey: the main issue I have with woffle is i don't want to save every page i go to and sometimes i find pages i want to save on my desktop and want to bring them over to the z intact |
| 16:53:53 | HrAbbey | Cloudchaser: Hmm. So instead of a pull from Z, a push from Desktop? |
| 16:54:29 | | opie is, like, the Open Palmtop Integrated Environment. More info can be found at http://opie.handhelds.org or in the #opie channel. or at http://www.opie.info or at http://www.opie.us or most important at http://www.opie.info |
| 16:54:29 | siriusnov | ibot opie |
| 16:54:45 | Cloudchaser | actually that might work |
| 16:54:53 | HrAbbey | Cloudchaser: BTW, did you try the disable caching script I put in? |
| 16:55:18 | Cloudchaser | not yet..i was busy the last few days ;( |
| 16:55:35 | HrAbbey | Right now I'm planning / debating making an easy way to pulll / fetch a list of URLs. |
| 16:55:50 | HrAbbey | They could be copied from the desktop web browser and put in a special sync'ed file? |
| 16:56:04 | Cloudchaser | that might work |
| 16:56:15 | Cloudchaser | here's what i am trying to do |
| 16:56:25 | Cloudchaser | there's some documentation on cisco's web site |
| 16:56:42 | Cloudchaser | i like to save the page to my z for future reference |
| 16:56:49 | Cloudchaser | but i need the diagrams also sometimes |
| 16:57:08 | Cloudchaser | when you do a save as, you get a folder with that web page's graphics |
| 16:57:17 | Cloudchaser | and just up one level, the html file |
| 16:57:29 | Cloudchaser | the z's synch doesn't allow anything but flat synch |
| 16:57:31 | NetAmp | There, I e-mailed Sharp. Let's see what they have to say for themselves :P |
| 16:57:32 | NetAmp | hah |
| 16:57:40 | Cloudchaser | hehe i did too netamp |
| 16:57:44 | NetAmp | :D |
| 16:57:49 | NetAmp | good job, heh ;) |
| 16:58:01 | Cloudchaser | i tried to ftp a dir and html file |
| 16:58:12 | Cloudchaser | but opera couldn't open it |
| 16:58:18 | NetAmp | :-( |
| 16:58:19 | Cloudchaser | (saved to sd card) |
| 16:58:25 | NetAmp | pretty dumb system |
| 16:58:29 | Cloudchaser | yeah |
| 16:58:30 | HrAbbey | Yeah, I do that often. ?Why didn't it work for you? |
| 16:58:41 | Cloudchaser | maybe i did something wrong |
| 16:58:50 | NetAmp | Anyway, I gotta go eat dinner |
| 16:58:53 | NetAmp | goodluck |
| 16:58:57 | HrAbbey | Oh, I don't use the ftp, I just copy direct to the CF. Maybe it's the ftp troubles... |
| 16:59:00 | Cloudchaser | or maybe the path i used in the browswer was wrong |
| 16:59:13 | HrAbbey | Did the files look right in terminal? |
| 16:59:43 | Cloudchaser | not sure what you mean by look right |
| 17:00:24 | Cloudchaser | this is why i don't like having to type urls in on the z: |
| 17:00:28 | HrAbbey | look the same as on the desktop? |
| 17:00:29 | Cloudchaser | http://cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/iaabu/pix/pix_62/config/mngacl.htm#xtocid1 |
| 17:00:45 | HrAbbey | Yuck. Agreed. |
| 17:00:55 | Cloudchaser | add in: fill//home/root/ |
| 17:01:07 | Cloudchaser | or /home/root/Documents/text/html |
| 17:01:09 | HrAbbey | But how about /mnt/cf/WebMirrors/Cisco., with /mnt/cf/WebMirrors as a bookmark? |
| 17:01:19 | HrAbbey | That's my current setup. |
| 17:01:38 | Cloudchaser | is that with woffle on or off? |
| 17:01:53 | HrAbbey | Either. It's a local file. Wwwoffle doesn't interfere. |
| 17:02:10 | Cloudchaser | but don't you have to do this: file// |
| 17:02:21 | HrAbbey | Yep. Included in the bookmark. |
| 17:02:49 | HrAbbey | The bookmark brings me to the directory, where I select which one I want. |
| 17:02:56 | HrAbbey | No typing. |
| 17:03:07 | Cloudchaser | how did youdo that? |
| 17:03:22 | Cloudchaser | how do you see dir in the web browser? |
| 17:04:00 | HrAbbey | file://localhost//mnt/cf, then bookmark. |
| 17:04:55 | Cloudchaser | can you do that with file://localhost/home/root ? |
| 17:05:10 | HrAbbey | Yep. |
| 17:05:31 | HrAbbey | And you can browse around inside Opera until you get to the dir you want. |
| 17:05:43 | HrAbbey | Only exception is I remember / being weird. |
| 17:06:45 | Cloudchaser | well i'll be damned! thank you! |
| 17:07:00 | HrAbbey | Cloudchaser: my pleasure. |
| 17:07:05 | Cloudchaser | that is awesome! |
| 17:07:20 | HrAbbey | ANything to avoid typing. Even if I'm good at 4 finger style. |
| 17:07:27 | Cloudchaser | hehe amen to that |
| 17:08:18 | Cloudchaser | ok now i just have to figure out how to get stuff to my sd card ;) |
| 17:08:33 | Cloudchaser | we sooo need a synch directory feature |
| 17:08:40 | Cloudchaser | that would solve everything ;) |
| 17:09:00 | Cloudchaser | but that trick you showed me.. i'm going to write that one down ;) |
| 17:09:37 | HrAbbey | If you tried samba, the directory stuff should work okay... |
| 17:09:38 | Cloudchaser | can you wget to sd card? |
| 17:09:45 | Cloudchaser | oh hmm.. |
| 17:09:50 | HrAbbey | wget to anywhere local, yeah. |
| 17:10:04 | Cloudchaser | i might have to try samba out |
| 17:10:15 | Cloudchaser | i had it running on my laptop linux |
| 17:10:35 | Cloudchaser | but changed my pw and also use dhcp |
| 17:10:35 | HrAbbey | Me too. I use it often on other systems but haven't on the Z yet. But the SL-A300 come with it standard. |
| 17:10:48 | Cloudchaser | oh don't get me started on that!!! |
| 17:10:59 | HrAbbey | Yeah, I know. Me too.... |
| 17:11:04 | Cloudchaser | that stuff should have been implemented on z first! |
| 17:11:12 | HrAbbey | Yep. |
| 17:11:19 | Cloudchaser | not some new thing that leaves us hanging |
| 17:11:26 | Cloudchaser | after less than 60 days! |
| 17:11:29 | HrAbbey | Yep. I agree. |
| 17:11:50 | | bugger all, i dunno, hrabbey |
| 17:11:50 | HrAbbey | ibot SL-A300? |
| 17:11:51 | Cloudchaser | a) i can't afford to buy another handheld |
| 17:12:08 | Cloudchaser | b) i like the z's keyboard |
| 17:12:25 | | OK, HrAbbey. |
| 17:12:25 | HrAbbey | ibot SL-A300 is Japan's new Zaurus, with new software that SHOULD have been released to the international versions FIRST!!!! |
| 17:12:30 | Cloudchaser | haha |
| 17:12:36 | HrAbbey | ditto on the keyboard. |
| 17:13:01 | Cloudchaser | i'm already po'd that i paid 100.00 more for it than its going for now |
| 17:13:32 | HrAbbey | I can accept deprectiation of hardware. I'm used to it. But not getting software really gets to me... |
| 17:13:52 | HrAbbey | If I only knew who at Troll Tech or Sharp to yell at.... |
| 17:13:55 | Cloudchaser | i can accept it too but in view of the fact that the 5500 is still so new |
| 17:14:24 | Cloudchaser | and so broken |
| 17:14:38 | Cloudchaser | [15:44] <JasonNJ-inCanada> send them to tobitaa@sharpsec.com |
| 17:14:38 | Cloudchaser | [15:44] <JasonNJ-inCanada> Arnold Tobita |
| 17:14:39 | Cloudchaser | [15:44] <JasonNJ-inCanada> and to Danika Lewis |
| 17:14:39 | Cloudchaser | [15:44] <JasonNJ-inCanada> dlewis@sharpsec.com |
| 17:15:00 | Cloudchaser | thats who i emailed, with a copy to jason@zauruszone.com |
| 17:15:01 | HrAbbey | Oooh... that's who I should bug?!? Thanks! |
| 17:15:26 | Cloudchaser | well i emailed bugs/problems with the 2.37 rom |
| 17:15:30 | Cloudchaser | do you have that? |
| 17:15:38 | Cloudchaser | and also my general issues with the z |
| 17:15:49 | Cloudchaser | i called it feedback :) |
| 17:16:13 | Cloudchaser | as a developer you might carry more weight :) |
| 17:16:25 | Cloudchaser | i'm just joe user, hehe |
| 17:16:32 | killefiz | Cloudchaser: how did you get hold of a 2.37 rom? |
| 17:16:34 | HrAbbey | I'm a 5000d user. I'm stuck at 1.12! I didn't even know it's up to .37!? |
| 17:16:59 | Cloudchaser | ah that one is supposed to come mid-july |
| 17:17:09 | Cloudchaser | if jason posts a link here for beta i'll grab it for you |
| 17:17:23 | Cloudchaser | cause i know you're not in here all the time |
| 17:17:46 | Cloudchaser | the new one will install from usb with no CF :) |
| 17:17:52 | Cloudchaser | pretty slick, that |
| 17:18:01 | HrAbbey | Impatiently waiting. The SL-A300 ROM was labelled 0.20 I believe... strange. |
| 17:18:10 | Cloudchaser | need 17 mb free though on your ram |
| 17:18:12 | HrAbbey | I thought the current 5500 rom could do that too. |
| 17:18:30 | Cloudchaser | the SL-A300 comes out of a different division i believe |
| 17:19:03 | Cloudchaser | i think sharp needs to see US consumers as important as Japan |
| 17:19:40 | HrAbbey | I think it's more they need to stop separating the two into different groups. |
| 17:19:46 | Twiun | exactly |
| 17:19:55 | Cloudchaser | yes, absolutely |
| 17:20:00 | HrAbbey | EVERYTHING a Japanese user wants I want. Even JP input. |
| 17:20:01 | Twiun | It's not nice to get shafted this regularly ;-) |
| 17:20:05 | Cloudchaser | it's so important for their credibility in us |
| 17:20:20 | Cloudchaser | and europe |
| 17:20:34 | whardier | mooooooooooooooornin |
| 17:20:40 | Cloudchaser | well apparently Japan division listens |
| 17:20:48 | Cloudchaser | and learns |
| 17:21:02 | mark | they are planning on making 20k a month of them for japan |
| 17:21:04 | HrAbbey | I think the JP team is used to the old closed shop ways. They should open up their code quickly. |
| 17:21:09 | Cloudchaser | (and maybe has a bigger development budget) |
| 17:21:49 | Cloudchaser | but mark: if the z didn't have so many issues when it came out it would have done much better in US already |
| 17:21:53 | whardier | ljp: ? |
| 17:22:07 | HrAbbey | My hope is the new Zaurus Zone cvs /etc. will be used the the JP team as well. |
| 17:22:09 | Cloudchaser | until they are fixed...the reviewers and media will crucify sharp |
| 17:22:16 | treke|home | Cloudchaser : Japanese users are more important though |
| 17:22:17 | HrAbbey | Even with issues, it will do okay in Jpn. |
| 17:22:21 | mark | Cloudchaser: indeed. hopefully they will learn from the japanese one and do a kick arse release next time |
| 17:22:34 | treke|home | in Japan, sharp is much bigger in the pda market |
| 17:22:36 | Cloudchaser | well 2.37 as it is ain't it |
| 17:22:51 | Cloudchaser | but we WANT them to have bigger market here |
| 17:23:02 | HrAbbey | 2.37 = screen shot / samba / A300 features? |
| 17:23:08 | Cloudchaser | no |
| 17:23:17 | Cloudchaser | as far as i can tell, there's no difference |
| 17:23:23 | mark | how do you know a300 has samba? |
| 17:23:25 | Cloudchaser | in the original 2.12 |
| 17:23:35 | Cloudchaser | and ftp is somewhat broken now in linux |
| 17:23:39 | HrAbbey | Read the JP info on it. That's how screen shot works. |
| 17:23:53 | HrAbbey | Z's a network drive. |
| 17:24:11 | HrAbbey | At least I THINK that's what I read. |
| 17:24:14 | Cloudchaser | that would be so awesome |
| 17:24:28 | Cloudchaser | would alleviate alot of file transfer issues |
| 17:24:30 | mark | i think its just a USB one, like everything else, but I may be wrong |
| 17:24:53 | Cloudchaser | yes but mark if my pc would see the z as a network drive |
| 17:25:02 | Cloudchaser | then its drag and drop to copy files back and forth |
| 17:25:16 | Cloudchaser | or to open a file from z on pc to work on |
| 17:25:39 | Cloudchaser | thinks she'll attempt samba on z |
| 17:26:32 | Cloudchaser | i need to clear some space |
| 17:26:37 | Cloudchaser | i think i'll move my games to sd |
| 17:26:53 | Cloudchaser | and set up swap space ;) |
| 17:28:15 | Cloudchaser | so..developers...what would be the issues with changing the way the Documents tab works? |
| 17:28:22 | Cloudchaser | if they've got it working on the 300? |
| 17:29:10 | HrAbbey | I think they basically switched it back to the way V0.01 did it, Categories based on physical location. |
| 17:29:18 | HrAbbey | I liked that. |
| 17:29:30 | Cloudchaser | you mean they HAD THAT and changed it???? |
| 17:29:51 | HrAbbey | Yep. They listened to the developers who didn't like it. |
| 17:30:01 | Cloudchaser | why didn't they like it? |
| 17:30:30 | HrAbbey | Some found it confusing I think. Also, they wanted the categories to be used for other stuff. |
| 17:31:09 | HrAbbey | Still, no directories inside the location categories. so still had problems. |
| 17:31:37 | mark | does qipkg do upgrades? |
| 17:31:37 | Cloudchaser | oh gotcha |
| 17:32:21 | Cloudchaser | but what i read on the 300 said: |
| 17:32:24 | Cloudchaser | GUI: On first sight it looks just like a localised version of the SL-5500, |
| 17:32:24 | Cloudchaser | it has the same tabbed menu structure where applications go in separate |
| 17:32:25 | Cloudchaser | categories, mostly the same applications (sort of), but there is a |
| 17:32:25 | Cloudchaser | significant difference: the Documents tab has evolved into a directory |
| 17:32:25 | Cloudchaser | browser - the flat file structure is gone, things start making sense again. |
| 17:32:25 | Cloudchaser | :-) The main applications look the same, too, I didn't see more or less PIM |
| 17:32:27 | Cloudchaser | functions." |
| 17:32:51 | mark | Cloudchaser: where is that from? |
| 17:32:57 | HrAbbey | Yep, Ulrich (a JP Zaurus user) said that. |
| 17:33:05 | Cloudchaser | zaurus general |
| 17:33:11 | Cloudchaser | he posted that |
| 17:33:19 | Cloudchaser | he played with it for a half hour or so at a show |
| 17:33:21 | mark | can you forward it please? mark@houseoffish.org :) |
| 17:33:22 | HrAbbey | I don't know how deep he looked at it though. |
| 17:33:32 | Cloudchaser | sure |
| 17:33:54 | mark | no official rom guys about? |
| 17:34:36 | Cloudchaser | ok sent it mark |
| 17:34:56 | Harlekin | hu all |
| 17:35:03 | Cloudchaser | hiya Harlekin: |
| 17:35:05 | mark | cheers Cloudchaser |
| 17:35:10 | Harlekin | hi Cloudchaser |
| 17:36:05 | Cloudchaser | who made "Today"? |
| 17:36:23 | HrAbbey | opie folks. Donno in particular. |
| 17:36:31 | Harlekin | hides |
| 17:36:35 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
| 17:36:38 | Harlekin | Cloudchaser: what not working |
| 17:36:39 | Cloudchaser | did you Harlekin: |
| 17:36:51 | Cloudchaser | oh nothing but i use sharp rom |
| 17:37:00 | Cloudchaser | and i was wondering if it could be made to pop up |
| 17:37:05 | Cloudchaser | when i turn z on? |
| 17:37:08 | Harlekin | id like to know that too |
| 17:37:22 | Harlekin | but i have no inside knowledge of the sharp rom |
| 17:37:28 | Harlekin | i dont even have a z |
| 17:37:30 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 17:37:37 | Cloudchaser | hehe if i have to open something i might just as well use my calendar |
| 17:37:44 | Harlekin | i know |
| 17:38:57 | Harlekin | Cloudchaser: sharp is zero cooperative |
| 17:40:21 | Cloudchaser | :( |
| 17:40:35 | lowkey | Cloudchaser: Today is a opie app. |
| 17:40:40 | Cloudchaser | i know |
| 17:40:52 | lowkey | ok |
| 17:40:55 | Cloudchaser | but sharp has it on their page and it works with sharp rom |
| 17:40:59 | Cloudchaser | just not fully |
| 17:41:14 | lowkey | seemed to work ok for me but i found it annoying and removed it. |
| 17:42:56 | Harlekin | Cloudchaser: i would need to hook / qcop call what ever that signals when the Z resumes |
| 17:43:05 | whardier | errerr |
| 17:43:14 | Harlekin | whardier: ? |
| 17:45:15 | mark | in a .postrm, how do I find if a file exists or not? |
| 17:45:29 | HrAbbey | if [ -e ... ] ??? |
| 17:46:19 | mark | k |
| 17:46:24 | HrAbbey | no apparent easy way for wwwoffle to convert fixed width tables to % width.... Alas. |
| 17:46:39 | HrAbbey | later all. |
| 17:47:51 | Cloudchaser | s'ok HR |
| 17:47:54 | Cloudchaser | oops |
| 17:47:57 | Cloudchaser | missed him |
| 17:50:15 | mark | if [ - e file] rm file -- that right? |
| 17:50:58 | whardier | ? |
| 17:51:22 | whardier | has not been paying attention |
| 17:51:27 | mark | i'm trying to delete a file only if it exists |
| 17:51:40 | whardier | if [ -f file] then; |
| 17:51:43 | whardier | rm file |
| 17:51:46 | whardier | fi; |
| 17:51:50 | whardier | if [ -f file ] then; |
| 17:51:52 | whardier | rm file |
| 17:51:53 | whardier | fi; |
| 17:51:55 | whardier | use the later |
| 17:52:21 | mark | is that bash or sh? |
| 17:52:25 | whardier | sh |
| 17:52:32 | mark | sh: syntax error near unexpected token `;' |
| 17:52:36 | whardier | THEN FIX IT |
| 17:52:38 | whardier | heh |
| 17:52:54 | whardier | no : after fi |
| 17:52:57 | whardier | ; |
| 17:53:08 | whardier | if [ -f file ]; then |
| 17:53:41 | mark | if [ -f file ]; then echo; fi |
| 17:53:56 | whardier | suure |
| 17:53:56 | whardier | hehe |
| 17:54:18 | whardier | ibot nslookup vasicom.net |
| 17:54:18 | | vasicom.net is 206.196.148.79 |
| 17:54:20 | whardier | GRR |
| 17:54:22 | whardier | RESOLVE! |
| 17:54:43 | whardier | I want my sexy site to be available to all! |
| 17:56:37 | warmi | hi |
| 17:56:40 | mark | hi warmi |
| 17:56:44 | Cloudchaser | hiya |
| 17:57:33 | whardier | howdy howdy howdy |
| 18:00:24 | Hellaenergy | whats new? |
| 18:00:53 | mark | warmi's arrived |
| 18:01:15 | Hellaenergy | They giving out free neworking cards yet? |
| 18:01:28 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
| 18:01:51 | Cloudchaser | hey would a 4mb swap file work ok or would it be useless as too small? |
| 18:02:34 | warmi | hehe |
| 18:02:46 | whardier | it adds 4 megs! |
| 18:02:56 | Cloudchaser | i know |
| 18:02:59 | warmi | well it would work like a 4 MB swap file .. basically your memory would = +4 mB |
| 18:03:02 | warmi | :-) |
| 18:03:21 | Cloudchaser | i just didn't know if it would be enough or not |
| 18:03:28 | warmi | Cloudchaser it depends on the applications .. if it still cries not enough memory then jus increase the size |
| 18:03:38 | Cloudchaser | oki good enough :) |
| 18:03:42 | warmi | frankly, if you have 5500 then you shouldn't have to do it anyway |
| 18:03:53 | Cloudchaser | i do get out of memory errors sometimes |
| 18:03:58 | Cloudchaser | not often though |
| 18:04:09 | warmi | maybe you are trying to run multiple apps at the same tie |
| 18:04:13 | warmi | time |
| 18:04:28 | Cloudchaser | sometimes;) |
| 18:04:29 | warmi | mark: did you watch the final ? |
| 18:05:40 | warmi | I know QPose is extremely memory hungry app |
| 18:08:39 | mark | warmi: yeh, didn't think it was a great match |
| 18:08:55 | warmi | me niether |
| 18:09:02 | warmi | I actually slept thru most of it |
| 18:09:11 | mark | lol, i ate through most of it :) |
| 18:09:20 | warmi | cause I went to bad at 2 AM and this thing started at 6 AM |
| 18:09:24 | warmi | to bed even |
| 18:09:33 | Cloudchaser | has anyone already created a swap file? do i add "swapon /home/root/swapfile" at the very end or before "exit 0" (which is the last line currently) |
| 18:09:37 | mark | ouch |
| 18:10:51 | warmi | Cloudchaser yeah swapon should be the last command |
| 18:11:03 | warmi | it basically makes your swap go "live" |
| 18:11:04 | warmi | heh |
| 18:11:24 | Cloudchaser | ok didn't know if exit 0 had to be last...hehe |
| 18:11:32 | warmi | but, obviously it should go before exit 0 if this is what you were asking about |
| 18:11:33 | warmi | hehe |
| 18:11:43 | warmi | yeah, sorry .. exit 0 have to be last |
| 18:11:51 | warmi | cause it terminates entire script :-) |
| 18:11:57 | warmi | sorry for the confusion |
| 18:12:18 | Cloudchaser | hehe i kinda thought so but the directions said "at the bottom of /etc/rc.d/rc.local |
| 18:17:08 | Cloudchaser | what does this do: ln -s ../rc.local S49local? |
| 18:17:23 | Cloudchaser | i messed up and didn't capitalize the 's' |
| 18:17:50 | wembly | cloudchaser: it creates a symlink to ../rc.local |
| 18:18:02 | wembly | by the looks of it id presume your in rcX.d |
| 18:18:05 | wembly | X being some number |
| 18:18:14 | wembly | basicly when that run level (X) gets started |
| 18:18:19 | Cloudchaser | how do i fix it? |
| 18:18:22 | wembly | it'll run all the S* files |
| 18:18:47 | wembly | rm s49local ln -s ../rc.local S49local |
| 18:18:49 | wembly | iirc |
| 18:18:55 | wembly | and if im understanding you :) |
| 18:19:18 | wembly | anyhow bbl |
| 18:19:20 | Cloudchaser | ok thanks.. |
| 18:21:41 | Twiun | anyone know what the -m option for the du utility is for? (on the Z) |
| 18:21:41 | mark | cosnt char x = -1; why is (x == -1) true on x86 but not arm? |
| 18:25:33 | Twiun | no idea mark |
| 18:26:51 | Twiun | brb |
| 18:27:13 | mark | warmi: any idea? |
| 18:41:07 | Mickey0 | Twiun: du -m : shows using MegaBytes, not Bytes |
| 18:41:50 | Twiun | cheers ;-) |
| 18:50:07 | killefiz | does anyone remember how to fix oz resetting the time after each suspend? |
| 18:50:41 | Mickey0 | killefiz: if i remember correct it was starting atfd |
| 18:50:46 | Mickey0 | eh... 'atd' |
| 18:51:26 | killefiz | Mickey0: hmm ... that doesn't start ... maybe i've updated it with a wrong package |
| 18:51:31 | killefiz | it just tells me start-stop-daemon not found |
| 18:52:27 | killefiz | strange - seems to work again |
| 18:52:39 | Mickey0 | good. |
| 19:02:10 | Cloudchaser | hmm lookss like i'm going to have to go static to use samba ;( |
| 19:03:18 | Cloudchaser | heya treke |
| 19:03:41 | Nadav | i'm bored |
| 19:04:01 | Cloudchaser | i'm trying to decide if i want to attempt samba on the z |
| 19:04:40 | Nadav | i need to get a z |
| 19:05:02 | Nadav | i'm thinking about a new computer though |
| 19:05:38 | Nadav | brb |
| 19:06:07 | treke|home | Cloudchaser : SHouldnt be too tough |
| 19:06:22 | Cloudchaser | i know but i use dhcp |
| 19:06:29 | treke|home | http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=9 |
| 19:06:36 | Cloudchaser | and windows 2000 |
| 19:07:01 | Cloudchaser | ah yes thanks i have it downloaded ;) |
| 19:07:15 | Cloudchaser | getting it to work is another story |
| 19:07:48 | Cloudchaser | i have a question |
| 19:07:54 | Cloudchaser | when you install a package |
| 19:08:04 | Cloudchaser | and then edit one of the system files.. |
| 19:08:17 | Cloudchaser | when you uninstall it, those changes stay, right? |
| 19:08:44 | treke|home | system files yes, files provided by the package, no |
| 19:09:03 | killefiz | Mickey0: atd starts fine but that doesn't fix the problem - any other hints? |
| 19:09:04 | Cloudchaser | so if you tell your z to start something and that something is no longer there, what happens? |
| 19:09:24 | Mickey0 | killefiz: sorry no idea. it did the job for my zaurus... strange. |
| 19:09:54 | treke|home | Cloudchaser : it um, doesnt start :) |
| 19:10:11 | Cloudchaser | the z? |
| 19:10:29 | treke|home | no, the app |
| 19:10:56 | Cloudchaser | ok so it doesn't mess anything up then? |
| 19:11:07 | treke|home | shouldnt, in theory :) |
| 19:11:27 | Cloudchaser | hehe |
| 19:14:31 | killefiz | Mickey0: could you do me a favor and check if you have both at and atd packages installed on your Z? |
| 19:14:31 | | asys3 was last seen on #zaurus 1 days, 20 hours, 24 minutes and 17 seconds ago, saying: mark: best would be mail - because I'm not online tomorrow. [Fri Jun 28 23:50:14 2002] |
| 19:14:31 | mark_ | ibot: seen asys3 |
| 19:19:10 | Mickey0 | killefiz: sure... please wait 5 minutes |
| 19:25:25 | Mickey0 | killefiz: i only have the package atd installed |
| 19:25:57 | killefiz | thanks |
| 19:26:05 | siriusnov | hallo |
| 19:26:20 | Mickey0 | surprisingly, atd seems not to be running anymore, but the time stays right . |
| 19:27:20 | killefiz | strange - KERGOOOTTTHHHH |
| 19:27:43 | siriusnov | I need to buy a cheap compact flash card |
| 19:27:58 | siriusnov | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2034277734 |
| 19:28:03 | siriusnov | what do y'all think of that one? |
| 19:29:44 | Mickey0 | sounds not too bad. you might have to manually adjust /etc/pcmcia and the like if it's not a mainstream chipset. |
| 19:30:08 | siriusnov | it's NE2000 compat |
| 19:30:20 | siriusnov | so i would think it would right out of the bxo |
| 19:31:26 | Mickey0 | not neccessarily. the core module yes, but the recognition depends on the vendor identification string. |
| 19:41:09 | siriusnov | ok |
| 19:52:02 | oriumpor | crud |
| 19:53:20 | oriumpor | treke: you live? |
| 19:54:56 | oriumpor | anyone live who has used the binaries from zaurus.loveslinux? |
| 19:55:25 | oriumpor | freesci in particular |
| 19:59:50 | Cloudchaser | hmm the samba server instructions says to read /usr/local/samba/lib/Readme.server, but it's not there |
| 20:05:30 | whardier | ibot nslookup www.vasicom.net |
| 20:05:32 | | www.vasicom.net is 206.196.148.79 |
| 20:05:37 | whardier | is getting annoyed at the internet |
| 20:06:01 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 20:07:28 | whardier | ooh |
| 20:07:29 | whardier | neat |
| 20:07:37 | whardier | jmhodges can you hit www.vasicom.net ? |
| 20:07:48 | whardier | it seems to be populating |
| 20:08:02 | jmhodges | hold on.. |
| 20:09:05 | | whardier: what? |
| 20:09:05 | whardier | ibot nslookup www.vasicom.net holly.colostate.edu |
| 20:09:10 | | www.vasicom.net is 206.196.148.79 |
| 20:09:10 | whardier | ibot nslookup www.vasicom.net |
| 20:09:14 | | whardier: what? |
| 20:09:14 | whardier | ibot nslookup www.vasicom.net @holly.colostate.edu |
| 20:09:19 | whardier | you suck ibot |
| 20:09:27 | jmhodges | whardier: yep i see it |
| 20:09:33 | jmhodges | very pretty |
| 20:10:14 | whardier | neat |
| 20:10:20 | whardier | so by tonight it should be rotated |
| 20:10:22 | whardier | that makes me happy |
| 20:10:41 | whardier | is usually not this impatient about domain rotation |
| 20:10:41 | whardier | heh |
| 20:12:08 | whardier | too bad I need to redo this site now |
| 20:12:15 | whardier | I lost the .xcf file |
| 20:12:27 | whardier | in a freak samba incident |
| 20:12:29 | jmhodges | rotated? |
| 20:12:33 | jmhodges | xcf? |
| 20:12:34 | whardier | yeah |
| 20:12:37 | whardier | gimp files |
| 20:12:44 | jmhodges | aaah |
| 20:12:46 | whardier | and rotated.. waiting for the nameservers to be changed |
| 20:13:41 | jmhodges | aaaaah ok |
| 20:13:55 | jmhodges | ok.. quick question .. how did the OZ rom get so big? |
| 20:14:16 | whardier | practice |
| 20:14:32 | whardier | its actually not that big |
| 20:14:33 | whardier | heh |
| 20:14:55 | jmhodges | well nhudson picked out the 32/32 and hes only got 3.5MB left.. |
| 20:15:30 | jmhodges | and mine is pretty much taken up over here |
| 20:16:30 | nhudson | where as the sharp rom I had alot of disk space alot more than 3.5 mB |
| 20:16:53 | jmhodges | are we smoking crack or what? |
| 20:18:07 | whardier | yeah |
| 20:18:14 | whardier | buy an SD |
| 20:18:16 | whardier | hehehe |
| 20:18:25 | whardier | and use no ntdram |
| 20:18:50 | whardier | and then just try bitching |
| 20:18:52 | whardier | hehehee |
| 20:19:24 | jmhodges | lol |
| 20:19:39 | nhudson | :) I have an SD card my zaurus doesnt like it |
| 20:25:20 | whardier | doh |
| 20:25:41 | jmhodges | yeah |
| 20:25:56 | nhudson | seems my zaurus doent like alot of things |
| 20:26:11 | nhudson | like OZ or a SD card or giving my alot of diskspace |
| 20:26:14 | nhudson | :) |
| 20:26:17 | jmhodges | ok wheres that sharp rom that you put on your cf card and flash from there (nhudson's switching back) |
| 20:28:30 | BeefCake | anyone alive? |
| 20:28:33 | siriusnov | yep |
| 20:28:56 | BeefCake | whats up |
| 20:29:02 | siriusnov | nuthing |
| 20:29:06 | BeefCake | same |
| 20:29:07 | siriusnov | just looking for a CF ethernet card |
| 20:29:19 | siriusnov | thats cheap anyway |
| 20:29:34 | BeefCake | get the pretec one |
| 20:29:43 | BeefCake | its cheap and works out of the box |
| 20:29:46 | BeefCake | nicely |
| 20:29:51 | siriusnov | its 100 bucks! |
| 20:29:56 | siriusnov | thats not cheap |
| 20:30:11 | BeefCake | what do you want |
| 20:30:14 | BeefCake | a piece of shit |
| 20:30:17 | siriusnov | a cheap CF card =P |
| 20:30:22 | BeefCake | check ebay |
| 20:30:35 | nhudson | siriusnov: I got the D-Link card off amazon for like 70 bucks |
| 20:30:35 | siriusnov | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2034277734 |
| 20:30:44 | siriusnov | it has to be wired tho |
| 20:30:46 | siriusnov | that one looks nice |
| 20:30:52 | siriusnov | but im concerned about the width |
| 20:30:59 | siriusnov | I dont want to block off the audio jack |
| 20:31:19 | siriusnov | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2034402033 |
| 20:31:21 | BeefCake | it won't |
| 20:31:24 | siriusnov | and then there is the Socket Ruggedized one |
| 20:31:25 | jmhodges | siriusnov: but nhudson's dosnt work in OZ ;) |
| 20:31:30 | BeefCake | pretec card won't block the audio |
| 20:31:37 | siriusnov | OZ? |
| 20:31:41 | nhudson | yeah it doesnt work in OZ like everything else for me |
| 20:31:42 | siriusnov | open Zaurus |
| 20:31:43 | siriusnov | ok |
| 20:31:45 | jmhodges | open zaurus |
| 20:32:02 | siriusnov | what about the socket ruggedized |
| 20:32:05 | siriusnov | the 2nd url |
| 20:32:14 | siriusnov | id say $50 bucks |
| 20:36:00 | nhudson | does anyone know if there is a ROM image avaliable for the Sharp ROM that I can install though the cf card? |
| 20:36:19 | siriusnov | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1362246750 |
| 20:36:27 | siriusnov | thats a pretec for $40 bucks |
| 21:01:26 | nhudson | anyone got a D-Link wireless card running on OZ? |
| 21:03:32 | siriusnov | nope |
| 21:14:17 | killefiz | hey kendrick2 |
| 21:14:18 | kendrick2 | re |
| 21:14:53 | kendrick2 | how goes it? |
| 21:14:54 | killefiz | two of newbreedsoftwares zaurus games are featured in this months german linux-magazine |
| 21:15:00 | kendrick2 | yay! :) |
| 21:15:09 | kendrick2 | which two? (I THINK I knew about it |
| 21:15:33 | killefiz | hmm ... madbomber and another one - the article is at work |
| 21:16:48 | kendrick2 | url for the mag? |
| 21:17:07 | killefiz | http://www.linux-magazin.de/ |
| 21:17:44 | killefiz | i can get you a scan if you want |
| 21:20:51 | Cloudchaser | anyone here? |
| 21:21:25 | killefiz | sure |
| 21:21:37 | kendrick2 | http://www.linux-magazin.de/ausgabe/2002/07/index.html <-- this issue? |
| 21:21:38 | Cloudchaser | if i change the hostname of my z |
| 21:21:42 | kendrick2 | killefiz: that'd be cool |
| 21:21:50 | kendrick2 | tho i THINK they're sending me a copy |
| 21:21:57 | Cloudchaser | can and then try to open a file on localhost, will it open? |
| 21:22:05 | kendrick2 | i forget. some other german mag. asked me recently if i wanted to advertise |
| 21:22:12 | kendrick2 | i was like "I don't _sell_ anything, so i can't afford it" :) |
| 21:22:29 | kendrick2 | localhost should always work |
| 21:22:51 | Cloudchaser | hehe i thought so just wanted to make sure |
| 21:22:59 | kendrick2 | when in doubt, use 127.0.0.1 ;) |
| 21:23:15 | killefiz | kendrick2: you're selling t-shirts - you should be a millionaire by now ;) |
| 21:23:24 | kendrick2 | HAH |
| 21:23:34 | kendrick2 | actually, someone recently donated $20 bucks to me via NBS |
| 21:23:55 | kendrick2 | (every now and then i go $100 or so over bandwidth, so i started asking for donations) |
| 21:24:48 | killefiz | i probably wouldn't donate on game development stuff but in general I am a big fan of paying for free software (development) |
| 21:25:00 | Cloudchaser | thanks ;) i'm trying to get samba server going ;) |
| 21:25:08 | killefiz | Cloudchaser: good luck |
| 21:25:13 | Cloudchaser | hehe thanks |
| 21:25:25 | kendrick2 | should i try porting TuxPaint to the Zaurus? :) :) |
| 21:25:34 | kendrick2 | i bet it wouldn't be all that hard... just a day or three more work |
| 21:27:19 | killefiz | what is tuxpaint? YAPT - yet another paint tool? |
| 21:27:25 | Cloudchaser | ok now the etc/host file i put the name and ip of my z? |
| 21:27:30 | Cloudchaser | or my pc? |
| 21:27:37 | killefiz | Cloudchaser: both |
| 21:27:53 | Cloudchaser | oki |
| 21:28:03 | kendrick2 | killefiz: it's FLKPTFL :^P |
| 21:28:08 | kendrick2 | (First Little Kid Paint Tool For Linux) |
| 21:28:19 | killefiz | Cloudchaser: it's /etc/hosts |
| 21:29:54 | Cloudchaser | nods |
| 21:30:19 | Cloudchaser | only bummer is ...i use dhcp ;) |
| 21:30:28 | Cloudchaser | will have to change it when address does |
| 21:31:24 | kendrick2 | speaking of scanners... my friend mike (aka uberguru debian master) finally poked around on my girlfriend's system and got the scsi card working so we can scan now :) |
| 21:31:34 | kendrick2 | after having owned the scanned for, like > 1 year |
| 21:32:00 | kendrick2 | another friend (wannabe uburguru kernel hacker) tried messing with it once, and all he did was create a 2.4 kernel that lacked sound, and STILL couldn't scan ;) |
| 21:33:45 | killefiz | i own an epson usb scanner which works great under linux - epson is supporting driver development - that's why i've bought it |
| 21:34:25 | kendrick2 | i just bought some random-assed cheap scanner that came with a scsi card |
| 21:34:30 | kendrick2 | then had to buy a different scsi card ;) |
| 21:35:06 | killefiz | nice toy tuxpaint - but probably useless on a Z |
| 21:35:46 | killefiz | I for one wouldn't give my latest high-tech toy away for children to play with |
| 21:35:51 | killefiz | (need to play with it myself ;) |
| 21:36:16 | kendrick2 | hahah |
| 21:36:30 | kendrick2 | so can you scan the article by any chance? :) :) |
| 21:36:45 | kendrick2 | are the reviews positive? (or just factual?) |
| 21:37:18 | killefiz | factual ... it's only a quarter of a page |
| 21:37:27 | killefiz | i'll scan it tomorrow |
| 21:37:35 | kendrick2 | thx :) |
| 21:37:49 | killefiz | what is the "magic" button for? |
| 21:37:57 | kendrick2 | special effects |
| 21:38:02 | kendrick2 | you running it, or just looking at a sshot? |
| 21:38:07 | killefiz | not yet active? |
| 21:38:08 | killefiz | running |
| 21:38:15 | kendrick2 | which ver? |
| 21:38:18 | Cloudchaser | it works! |
| 21:38:27 | kendrick2 | 2002.06.30 (released last night) was first to have magic |
| 21:38:53 | killefiz | some debian package - it doesn't tell what version it is |
| 21:39:09 | killefiz | Cloudchaser: samba? |
| 21:39:15 | Cloudchaser | yep :) |
| 21:39:21 | kendrick2 | debian pkg would prob. be 2002.06.17a |
| 21:49:17 | lowkey | anyone know why my mouse doesn't work in vncviewer (connected to fb-vnc)? did i miss a config option? |
| 21:49:28 | Cloudchaser | foo i can't copy files to my card.. access denie |
| 21:49:49 | Cloudchaser | lowkey: there is a config option for that |
| 21:49:58 | Cloudchaser | but also first time you have to calibrate it |
| 21:50:09 | Cloudchaser | tells you how in the read me i think |
| 21:50:14 | lowkey | Cloudchaser: hmmmm.... |
| 21:50:17 | lowkey | Cloudchaser: ok |
| 21:50:48 | lowkey | Cloudchaser: thanx |
| 21:51:06 | Cloudchaser | anyone have any idea about samba? |
| 21:54:18 | HrAbbey | Did you read Zaurus Zone's howto? |
| 21:54:31 | Cloudchaser | hmm no just the readme's it came with |
| 21:54:37 | Cloudchaser | there's one for samba? |
| 21:54:42 | Cloudchaser | goes to look |
| 21:54:50 | HrAbbey | Server's howto. |
| 21:55:22 | HrAbbey | Don't think it mentions not being happy running as root though. |
| 21:56:15 | Cloudchaser | ok did all that and its running |
| 21:56:20 | Cloudchaser | i can see my z from my pc |
| 21:56:27 | Cloudchaser | can copy from z to pc |
| 21:56:33 | ][N-Flux | what is the best rom to run atm |
| 21:56:35 | Cloudchaser | from z sd card to pc |
| 21:56:40 | ][N-Flux | commercial or OZ |
| 21:56:42 | HrAbbey | But can't write the flash card? |
| 21:56:47 | Cloudchaser | but can't copy from pc to sd card of z |
| 21:57:17 | HrAbbey | how about mnt dir? Is it writable? |
| 21:57:42 | Cloudchaser | well i write to it when i install to it don't i? |
| 21:58:03 | Cloudchaser | ok i can copy to my home dir |
| 21:58:14 | Cloudchaser | maybe i have to add the /all share to conf file |
| 21:58:15 | HrAbbey | I meant from PC, can you write to mnt dir ? |
| 21:58:25 | Cloudchaser | no |
| 21:58:36 | Cloudchaser | but i can copy from pc to /home/root |
| 21:58:49 | HrAbbey | sounds like a config setup then. /etc/samba... something or another. |
| 21:59:06 | Cloudchaser | yeah i'll add the /all share to it with read/write |
| 21:59:08 | Cloudchaser | and see what happens |
| 21:59:46 | kendrick2 | wanders |
| 22:00:55 | Cloudchaser | hehe once i do that i can map a Z drive :) |
| 22:01:08 | Cloudchaser | ahh found it |
| 22:04:24 | Cloudchaser | yes! :) |
| 22:05:38 | Cloudchaser | hehe this is great! :) |
| 22:10:20 | HrAbbey | Cloudchaser: should make xfering HTML directories easier, eh? |
| 22:10:36 | Cloudchaser | yes! thank you :) |
| 22:11:58 | Cloudchaser | i still would like a good synch feature but this will do in the meantime ;) |
| 22:12:44 | mark_ | does intellisync do plugins? |
| 22:12:47 | Cloudchaser | i really do like my Z :) |
| 22:13:05 | Cloudchaser | and all you developers :) |
| 22:14:03 | HrAbbey | mark_: that WOULD be neat... so I doubt it... |
| 22:14:11 | mark_ | HrAbbey: hehe |
| 22:19:10 | Cloudchaser | thanks very much HrAbbey: you made my day today ;) |
| 22:20:17 | HrAbbey | Cloudchaser: glad to help, as always. You figured out the tought stuff on your own though. |
| 22:21:03 | Cloudchaser | ;) i had done samba before on my linux pc so it kinda came back to me |
| 22:21:26 | Cloudchaser | that time it took me weeks though to get it working right ;) |
| 22:37:22 | nyargh | hey |
| 22:37:24 | nyargh | anyone awake? |
| 22:37:52 | nyargh | helooo |
| 22:38:20 | HrAbbey | nyargh: oooleh |
| 22:46:23 | siriusnov | hey anyone here from thekompany.com? I have some constructive criticism to make about tkcplayer :) |
| 22:47:43 | siriusnov | anyone here figure out how to make the visualization for tkcplayer go fater? |
| 22:47:44 | siriusnov | faster? |
| 22:49:16 | nyargh | anyone here have a SMC wireless card? |
| 22:49:19 | siriusnov | nope |
| 22:57:25 | mark_ | whatever happened to mandrake and his speech software? |
| 23:07:04 | smadt | hi...can i invoke a sync from Z command line? what does pressing the cradle sync button do? |
| 23:09:30 | Mickey0 | siriusnov: is tkcplayer the mod player? |
| 23:12:30 | Nadav | i didn't know apple was coming out with a pda |
| 23:14:02 | siriusnov | Mickey0, no |
| 23:14:11 | siriusnov | its a mp3 ogg player |
| 23:14:16 | siriusnov | its actually quite nice |
| 23:14:23 | siriusnov | but you cant fast forward or rewind |
| 23:14:29 | siriusnov | or make the visualizations go faster |
| 23:14:36 | siriusnov | so the visualizations look really slow |
| 23:14:48 | siriusnov | it would be nice to have them go at xmms speed |
| 23:14:53 | KhensU | nyargh: I do |
| 23:17:39 | siriusnov | tkceditor is just too cool for words |
| 23:17:45 | exs | hah |
| 23:17:54 | siriusnov | hehe |
| 23:18:40 | exs | zauruszone needs a reformatted page |
| 23:18:46 | exs | wap eh |
| 23:19:30 | treke|home | tkceditor is a really cool app |
| 23:19:47 | siriusnov | yeah |
| 23:19:51 | siriusnov | its just a tad but slow |
| 23:20:02 | siriusnov | but=bit |
| 23:20:12 | treke|home | yup |
| 23:20:18 | siriusnov | but hell, theres nothing like it on a pocket pc, or even a palm |
| 23:20:21 | siriusnov | so Im happy =) |
| 23:20:51 | exs | hrm pqennmap is on feed but nmap isnt |
| 23:22:15 | exs | nope its not |
| 23:22:40 | exs | only on the webpage and opera doesn't have the mime for ipk |
| 23:22:43 | exs | heh |
| 23:22:47 | exs | thats funny |
| 23:24:03 | exs | heh no its stupid |
| 23:48:43 | ljp | hot hot hot.. too hot |
| 23:54:58 | whardier | ? |
| 23:55:12 | whardier | only 93 degrees |
| 23:55:27 | Cloudchaser | yeah its hot here too |
| 23:56:32 | ljp | anything over 79 is too hot |
| 23:58:27 | ][N-Flux | is away: bbiab |
| 23:59:47 | whardier | I am sexy |
