| 00:00:25 | ljp | heh that reminds me, I need to find some hd space to install knoppix to |
| 00:00:38 | mike411 | knoppix? |
| 00:00:51 | ljp | knoppiz.de |
| 00:01:33 | mike411 | if thats a url it didnt work lol |
| 00:01:42 | ljp | http://knoppiz.de |
| 00:01:46 | ljp | http://knoppix.de |
| 00:01:51 | ljp | that darned Z |
| 00:02:00 | mike411 | lol the z is adictive isnt it:) |
| 00:02:18 | ljp | ya, but A is a pain |
| 00:02:28 | mike411 | sweet dose that linux distro run of a cd only? |
| 00:02:40 | ljp | ya |
| 00:02:59 | mike411 | oh sweet i was looking for one of thoughs mmmm cd linux |
| 00:03:14 | mike411 | it has x on it right so i have some kind of gui? |
| 00:03:36 | ljp | oh ya, does a great job of configuring itself |
| 00:03:50 | mike411 | sweet |
| 00:04:05 | mike411 | is there a web site with any other languages |
| 00:04:26 | ljp | for who? knoppix? |
| 00:04:35 | mike411 | yea |
| 00:04:38 | ljp | suse has a live cd, or there's demolinux |
| 00:04:50 | ljp | there's an english one |
| 00:04:58 | mike411 | of knoppix? |
| 00:05:06 | mike411 | and dose the suse one cost money |
| 00:05:10 | ljp | english page at knoppix |
| 00:05:19 | ljp | not the demo cd |
| 00:05:48 | mike411 | ok is the knoppix install in english? |
| 00:05:52 | mike411 | and is it free? |
| 00:06:06 | ljp | yes, and yes |
| 00:06:15 | mike411 | sweet |
| 00:06:28 | mike411 | is there any trick to makeing the cd or do i just get the iso and burn it? |
| 00:08:36 | ljp | yep |
| 00:09:47 | mike411 | nice and do i need to do any thing to my hard drive or just make the cd and reboot ? |
| 00:11:06 | ljp | sure |
| 00:13:32 | mike411 | damn 1 hour download |
| 00:18:46 | mike411 | zeld on the z if fun |
| 00:18:49 | mike411 | is |
| 00:28:01 | mike411 | is any one still here? |
| 00:33:32 | Speedy2 | Maybe |
| 00:33:57 | mike411 | lol ok |
| 00:35:53 | mike411 | well if u ever plan on doing any developing for the z the thing that slows down the game boy emu is when u hold down the movie keys |
| 00:36:01 | mike411 | kind of weird but ok |
| 00:38:04 | ljp | yes you are the only one here, cause the rest of us are just intelligent bots |
| 00:38:19 | mike411 | mmm bots |
| 01:09:37 | ljp | frickin ABC is broadcasting US v Germany on Saturday... idiots |
| 01:16:44 | jrm | I'm having trouble ftp'ing to my zaurus |
| 01:17:06 | ljp | what port? |
| 01:17:13 | jrm | a port scan shows that port 4242 is open |
| 01:17:22 | jrm | but I keep getting connection refused |
| 01:17:29 | ljp | user root? |
| 01:17:33 | jrm | yea |
| 01:17:35 | jrm | no password |
| 01:17:51 | jrm | does it matter that I changed the IP address for the Zaurus? |
| 01:18:02 | jrm | I'm at a loss right now |
| 01:18:10 | ljp | maybe, I just left mine default |
| 01:19:04 | jrm | plus I'm trying to come in from a different subnet |
| 01:20:06 | jrm | ftp> open 10.0.0.99 4242 |
| 01:20:06 | jrm | Connected to 10.0.0.99. |
| 01:20:06 | jrm | 421 Service not available, remote server has closed connection |
| 01:24:01 | [DrEvil] | turn on syslogging |
| 01:24:29 | jrm | where can I do that from? |
| 01:25:37 | [DrEvil] | edit your /etc/syslog.conf |
| 01:25:52 | [DrEvil] | uncomment theline that has /var/log/messages |
| 01:26:06 | [DrEvil] | then /etc/rc.d/init.d/syslog start |
| 01:26:43 | jrm | ok, I suppose I have to do this from a console |
| 01:26:51 | jrm | I don't have the terminal, or anything else installed |
| 01:26:57 | jrm | since I can't ftp files to the zaurus |
| 01:27:02 | jrm | it's plain jane how it came |
| 01:27:13 | [DrEvil] | terminal is on the CD |
| 01:27:23 | [DrEvil] | change everything back to defaults |
| 01:27:31 | jrm | I don't have any way of getting stuff to the zaurus |
| 01:27:36 | [DrEvil] | no CF card? |
| 01:27:36 | jrm | from the CD |
| 01:27:50 | jrm | all I have is a network card |
| 01:28:12 | jrm | and I have a mac, so I can't use the QtopiaDesktop |
| 01:28:14 | [DrEvil] | you really should have at least a CF card and a reader |
| 01:28:28 | jrm | My plan was to use ftp to transfer all my files for now |
| 01:29:23 | [DrEvil] | when things don't work... |
| 01:33:04 | Nasa | Does anyone know how to fix the clock in OZ? It keeps resetting itself after a suspend |
| 01:33:19 | Nasa | I have already removed hwclock (per kergoth) |
| 01:35:48 | ljp | reinstall hwclock, and just /etc/init.d/atd start after every reboot |
| 01:37:11 | Nasa | ljp: what is spooldir? |
| 01:38:02 | Nasa | ljp: is that /var/spool? |
| 01:38:57 | Nasa | ljp: nm (i wa being stupid) |
| 01:39:27 | ljp | :) |
| 01:41:38 | Nasa | ljp: That was the ticket -- damn I can be stupid sometimes. |
| 01:42:32 | ljp | naaa.... kergoth just hasn't fixed that yet |
| 01:46:56 | Neo|Work | is away: home |
| 01:51:26 | jrm | ok, I have an idea. since, I'm online with the zaurus, I could just download the packages and install them right? |
| 01:51:30 | jrm | doh! |
| 01:57:13 | ljp | and then delete the ipk so it doesn't waste space |
| 01:58:30 | ljp | hmm what a weird night for X files to be on |
| 02:00:39 | Cloud | hello :) |
| 02:00:55 | Cloud | i got a jack that lets me put speaker in with my cf wireless in! :) |
| 02:01:04 | Nasa | ljp: talking about space -- you realize that adding a program reduces available memory on the Z even if it is installed to an outside memory source (at least for OZ) |
| 02:01:26 | Cloud | and i got my sd card :) |
| 02:02:39 | Nasa | bbl |
| 02:06:26 | ljp | ya, thats why I think help files should be optional ;) |
| 02:09:26 | Speedy2 | bbl all |
| 02:22:08 | Wembly | nasa: how so on the external memory source? |
| 02:22:11 | Wembly | doh |
| 02:22:44 | | american soccer players is nothing but a weasel-smelling tongueful of dizzy-eyed yoo-hoo. |
| 02:22:44 | ljp | ibot: insult american soccer players |
| 02:22:55 | ljp | yuhup |
| 02:23:25 | Wembly | who won? |
| 02:24:18 | ljp | earthlings did |
| 02:25:01 | ljp | they did |
| 02:32:11 | treke|home | eh. no one cares about succer anyways... at least in civilized countries |
| 02:50:37 | Cloud | - |
| 02:54:03 | ljp | they needed to securitize that goal |
| 02:55:12 | Wembly | ljp: did the americans win? |
| 03:06:10 | ][N-Flux | nope |
| 03:34:38 | warmi | re |
| 03:38:53 | W|GGL|T | doh...that sucks |
| 03:49:21 | mike411 | hey any one here? |
| 04:36:48 | ][N-Flux | is away: Nap time... |
| 04:38:40 | ljp | ya I'm here.. but you aren't |
| 04:38:52 | ljp | heh |
| 04:39:05 | ljp | heh opie x86 feed.. |
| 04:45:19 | y0ssarian | minority report 0wnz0r3d |
| 04:45:29 | y0ssarian | best movie i've seen all yearh |
| 04:49:19 | y0ssarian | but now |
| 04:49:20 | y0ssarian | i sleep |
| 04:49:23 | y0ssarian | is away: sleep |
| 07:34:55 | wembly | hihi? |
| 07:41:23 | wembly | nini |
| 07:52:15 | wembly | is away. Automatically set away [SZon] |
| 08:00:51 | zecke | does anybody know Michael Crawford nickname? |
| 08:41:48 | mark_ | catalin: thanks for the bug re ports, working on them now |
| 08:47:40 | catalin | mark_: there's another one, bigger than all the others |
| 08:47:51 | W|GGL|T | is away: I'm busy smoking a blunt or sleeping or something |
| 08:47:51 | catalin | but I need to make several more tests to make sure |
| 08:49:05 | catalin | mark_: did you get my last message ? |
| 08:52:33 | mark_ | catalin: i've got two |
| 08:53:10 | mark_ | promotion freezes (this is only when youve loaded a game i think), and the loading and checks problem |
| 08:54:00 | catalin | mark_: there's one more, worse than all the others |
| 08:54:09 | mark_ | catalin: yeh, got that, sorry |
| 08:54:13 | catalin | you can't win over knights |
| 08:54:33 | mark_ | how do you mean? |
| 09:21:30 | zecke | catalin: how got qmame built until today? |
| 09:22:49 | catalin | zecke: sorry ? |
| 09:23:13 | zecke | catalin: didn't you ported xmame to Qt/E and put it into Opie cvs? |
| 09:23:23 | catalin | yes |
| 09:23:51 | zecke | catalin: how was it integrated into the build system? |
| 09:24:11 | zecke | catalin: max and me cleaned cvs up. qmame and nethack are now in opie-bigapps |
| 09:24:12 | catalin | I don't know. I only put the sources into cvs |
| 09:24:23 | zecke | catalin: I hope qpose will get there too |
| 09:24:44 | catalin | basically you need to run "make -f makefile.unix" to build it |
| 09:25:27 | catalin | it will, although I'll also run my own qpose cvs for a while |
| 09:25:56 | zecke | catalin: be sure to import it into opie-bigapps when you feel like it's ready |
| 09:26:13 | zecke | catalin: it was a pain in the but for modem users to checkout opie including qmame |
| 09:26:16 | catalin | yup. already talked to harlekin about that |
| 09:26:21 | zecke | catalin: ok |
| 09:46:34 | mark_ | is away: I'm busy |
| 13:20:22 | mark_ | catalin: around? |
| 14:19:34 | Cloud | hiya |
| 14:19:48 | Cloud | anyone awake? |
| 14:29:46 | Cloud | 'mornin ljp |
| 14:33:55 | Cloud | wow vnc will work via usb! :) |
| 14:34:09 | ljp | yes it does |
| 14:35:37 | ljp | you likey fbvnc? |
| 14:35:40 | Cloud | have you got a few minutes ljp? |
| 14:35:43 | Cloud | oh i love it! |
| 14:35:45 | ljp | sure |
| 14:35:46 | Cloud | i use it all the time |
| 14:36:22 | Cloud | ok here goes |
| 14:36:43 | Cloud | when i have music file (mpg or ogg) |
| 14:36:55 | Cloud | and i sync them |
| 14:37:28 | Cloud | if i say put them in ram they go into documents/audio/mpeg |
| 14:37:36 | Cloud | then my apps can see them no problem |
| 14:37:57 | Cloud | if i put them on CF, they go into document/application/octet-stream |
| 14:38:18 | Cloud | if i put them on sd they do the same |
| 14:38:24 | Cloud | so the apps can't see them |
| 14:39:22 | Cloud | oops no i'm wrong |
| 14:39:27 | Cloud | mp3 goes into audio |
| 14:39:30 | Cloud | ogg doesn't |
| 14:39:34 | Cloud | even in ramm |
| 14:39:36 | Cloud | ram |
| 14:39:49 | ljp | hmm |
| 14:39:50 | Cloud | ok so the z isn't recognizing ogg as an audio |
| 14:40:30 | Cloud | which is a problem for a general user |
| 14:40:58 | Cloud | like me ;) although i will play with things a bit |
| 14:41:40 | ljp | well.. tkc needs to either 1) make sure the ogg mimetype is in their mediaplayers .desktop file, and/or 2) add the ogg mimetype to /etc/mime.types |
| 14:42:06 | Cloud | it is but the problem is the syncher |
| 14:42:14 | Cloud | doesn't put them in the right place i don't think |
| 14:42:58 | ljp | thats because ogg probably hasn't been 'registered' as a mimetype by adding it to /etc/mime.types |
| 14:43:23 | ljp | can you click on an ogg from Documents tab and it opens in the player? |
| 14:43:47 | mark | is bored |
| 14:43:59 | Cloud | checking that |
| 14:44:39 | Cloud | nope |
| 14:44:51 | Cloud | says type is application/octet-stream |
| 14:45:33 | Cloud | says no application is defined for this document |
| 14:45:37 | ljp | well. then they haven't added the ogg mimetype to the players .desktop file |
| 14:45:49 | Cloud | who hasn't? |
| 14:45:52 | ljp | tkc |
| 14:46:28 | Cloud | ok so tkc could fix that, it doesn't mean a change to the z or the synching thingy? |
| 14:46:34 | ljp | you could look in the desktop file yourself to see |
| 14:46:56 | Cloud | how, just open it in the editor and have a look? |
| 14:47:01 | ljp | what editor do you use? |
| 14:47:06 | Cloud | tkc ;) |
| 14:47:12 | ljp | ok, good.. |
| 14:48:01 | ljp | yes, open /home/QtPalmtop/apps/ |
| 14:48:13 | ljp | uhh I think the dir is called tkc maybe |
| 14:48:18 | mark | i need another Z |
| 14:48:27 | ljp | mark: why? |
| 14:48:33 | mark | ljp: coz I'd like one to use as aPDA |
| 14:48:41 | ljp | hehe |
| 14:48:53 | Cloud | its called theKompany.com |
| 14:48:58 | mark | i reflash this one about once a week... |
| 14:49:01 | ljp | Cloud: and find the correspomding .desktop file for their player |
| 14:49:19 | ljp | and open that in tkceditor |
| 14:49:43 | ljp | mark: really? you have alot of problems, then? |
| 14:49:49 | Cloud | k it says MimeType=audio/mpeg;audio/ogg |
| 14:50:54 | mark | ljp: yes. |
| 14:50:55 | mark | :) |
| 14:52:19 | ljp | Cloud: ok... with tkceditor, open /home/QtPalmtop/etc/mime.types |
| 14:52:42 | ljp | is there a line that has audio/ogg there? |
| 14:52:58 | ljp | mark: like what problems.. thats sucks.. |
| 14:54:31 | Cloud | nope |
| 14:54:48 | ljp | ok.. add this line there: |
| 14:54:59 | ljp | audio/ogg ogg |
| 14:55:13 | ljp | and restart qpe |
| 14:55:20 | ljp | err save it and restert |
| 14:55:27 | Cloud | anywhere in ther? |
| 14:55:32 | Cloud | or in the audio section? |
| 14:55:46 | ljp | in the audio section.. but it doesn't really matter |
| 14:56:20 | Cloud | good cause i don't know how to insert a blank line :) |
| 14:56:31 | ljp | hit enter |
| 14:56:56 | Cloud | hehe i tried that (i'm vnc'd in) |
| 14:57:08 | Cloud | doh that worked that time ;) |
| 14:58:13 | Cloud | just restarting qtopia works fine? not restart z? |
| 14:58:32 | ljp | ya no need to reboot |
| 14:58:52 | Cloud | ok now i have to delete them and re-add them? |
| 14:59:04 | ljp | ya try that |
| 15:03:46 | Cloud | still put it in octet stream |
| 15:04:34 | ljp | hmm |
| 15:04:58 | catalin | btw, the correct mime type of ogg is application/x-ogg |
| 15:05:01 | Cloud | the mime-types file...how is that made? |
| 15:05:11 | Cloud | that would do it catalin! |
| 15:05:14 | Cloud | let me change that |
| 15:05:20 | Cloud | but the real issue then is |
| 15:05:31 | Cloud | how to get that automatic/transparent to user |
| 15:07:09 | catalin | Cloud in what way ? |
| 15:07:20 | Cloud | ok i buy tkcplayer |
| 15:07:23 | Cloud | get my oggs |
| 15:07:28 | Cloud | drag them into synch windo |
| 15:07:35 | Cloud | and voila...nothing |
| 15:07:51 | Cloud | because they go to octet-stream |
| 15:07:56 | catalin | windows or linux ? |
| 15:07:59 | Cloud | and the player won't recognize them |
| 15:08:01 | Cloud | windows |
| 15:08:17 | catalin | grr, dunno how windows handles mime types |
| 15:08:37 | Cloud | catalin is it audio/x-ogg |
| 15:08:43 | Cloud | or application/x-ogg |
| 15:08:58 | Cloud | mp3 is audio/mpeg |
| 15:08:59 | catalin | QtopiaDesktop (which is the faulty app here) should let you add mime types |
| 15:09:18 | catalin | application/x-ogg, last time I checked |
| 15:09:38 | Cloud | then the mp3 and ogg files will be different place |
| 15:09:44 | catalin | yup |
| 15:10:06 | catalin | prolly nobody bothered to register audio/ogg with IANA yet |
| 15:12:13 | Cloud | ok so application/x-ogg ogg is what i did |
| 15:13:31 | Cloud | here goes nothing! :) |
| 15:14:09 | Cloud | blah |
| 15:14:12 | Cloud | that didn't work either |
| 15:14:27 | Cloud | oh wait |
| 15:14:35 | Cloud | sorry forgot to restart qpe |
| 15:20:02 | Cloud | nope that didn't do the trick |
| 15:20:23 | Cloud | still going into documents/application/octet-stream |
| 15:20:25 | Cloud | ohh |
| 15:20:42 | catalin | grmbl, it's the QtopiaDesktop not knowing the mime type, imo |
| 15:20:43 | Cloud | maybe cause the tkc player is expecting it somewhere else |
| 15:21:38 | Cloud | MimeType=audio/mpeg;audio/ogg |
| 15:21:52 | Cloud | thats what the tck player says |
| 15:22:04 | Cloud | so if i do application/x-ogg ogg |
| 15:22:16 | catalin | so instead of one we've got 2 braindead apps :( |
| 15:22:27 | Cloud | shouldn't MimeType=application/x-ogg? |
| 15:22:28 | catalin | *sigh* |
| 15:22:42 | catalin | yes, it should |
| 15:22:58 | catalin | MimeType=audio/mpeg;application/x-ogg |
| 15:23:09 | Cloud | ok let me try that |
| 15:36:15 | ljp | did that work cloud? |
| 15:38:12 | Cloud | n ope |
| 15:38:21 | Cloud | still going to octet-stream |
| 15:39:20 | XavX[pc] | have you tried putting oggs on SD/CF and adding them to Documents with tkcExplorer ? |
| 15:41:13 | Cloud | its issue in ram also |
| 15:41:37 | ljp | must be a bug inthe sync software |
| 15:41:40 | Cloud | something with the mime-type apparently |
| 15:41:46 | Cloud | that too ljp |
| 15:41:55 | Cloud | could be a two-tier issue... |
| 15:42:52 | XavX[pc] | best "synch sofware" for sharp rom is a simple ftp client |
| 15:42:52 | Cloud | if i do it manually..where would i put the .ogg? /home/root/application/x-ogg? |
| 15:43:10 | Cloud | XavX[pc] that may be true |
| 15:43:22 | Cloud | but in order for the z to become mainstream |
| 15:43:33 | Cloud | people can't have to jump through hoops to get apps to work |
| 15:43:37 | catalin | Cloud: it shouldn't matter where you put it as long as it's in /home/root/Documents/ |
| 15:43:49 | Cloud | specially with commercial apps |
| 15:43:57 | XavX[pc] | just try the "add to documents" featue of tkcExplorer |
| 15:44:33 | Cloud | if it doesn't matter where it is, then why won't player recognize it? |
| 15:45:03 | catalin | maybe because it's buggy ? |
| 15:45:11 | Cloud | it has to "be" where player can recognize it, no? |
| 15:45:44 | catalin | depends on how is the player looking for files |
| 15:45:46 | Cloud | if player wants to see an ogg file in /home/documents/application/x-ogg |
| 15:45:52 | Cloud | ah i see |
| 15:45:59 | Cloud | it should look everywhere then? |
| 15:46:07 | Cloud | for .ogg files? |
| 15:46:09 | catalin | if it's using the standard Qtopia API's then it should look everywhere |
| 15:46:18 | Cloud | gotcha |
| 15:46:22 | catalin | if not, then you gotta ask Max |
| 15:47:05 | Cloud | oh duh i'm an idiot |
| 15:47:11 | Cloud | *feels stupid* |
| 15:48:20 | Cloud | ok still can't open them from docs tab |
| 15:48:33 | Cloud | but i was working the player wrong |
| 15:48:47 | Cloud | when i clicked on play list, nothing showed up |
| 15:49:01 | Cloud | if i hit add all, i can see songs |
| 15:49:21 | Cloud | now i have to start all over again |
| 15:49:35 | Cloud | put it all back the way it was and see if that works |
| 15:50:09 | XavX[pc] | the path is /home/root/Documents/audio/ogg. just tried it, works for me. with tkcexplorer i can open oggs in the player from everywhere |
| 15:50:32 | Cloud | ok but did you have to manually put them there? |
| 15:50:53 | Cloud | rather than have qtopia desktop do it? |
| 15:51:07 | Cloud | and did you have to change any desktop stuff? |
| 15:51:22 | XavX[pc] | i do not use any sync program. just ftp'd it to SD and let tkceditor do the rest |
| 15:52:05 | Cloud | ok how do you do that in editor? |
| 15:52:36 | XavX[pc] | sorry meant tkcexplorer. just click on file and choose "add to documents" |
| 15:53:02 | Cloud | and it puts the ogg where it needs to go? |
| 15:53:08 | XavX[pc] | yes |
| 15:53:50 | Cloud | ok thanks.. i have to back out the changes i made now though |
| 15:55:23 | Cloud | and try to get it to work with synch |
| 15:55:33 | Cloud | but i'll document how you do it too |
| 15:56:21 | Cloud | when you do that, is there an entry in your /home/qtpalmtop/etc/mime.types for ogg? |
| 15:56:52 | XavierXeon | i'll check |
| 15:58:52 | XavierXeon | only "audio/ogg ogg" |
| 15:59:03 | Cloud | hmm mine didn't have that |
| 15:59:26 | Cloud | you didn't add that yourself? |
| 15:59:43 | XavierXeon | send a mail to theKompany and tell them |
| 15:59:54 | Cloud | i will |
| 16:00:23 | XavierXeon | my entry might still be there from an older version of the player |
| 16:01:12 | Cloud | oh i see |
| 16:02:29 | Cloud | i think i'll uninstall tkc player and start again |
| 16:04:03 | Cloud | do you know which old version of player you might have installed? |
| 16:05:07 | XavierXeon | i started with 1.5.0_2 i think |
| 16:06:05 | Cloud | ok i started with 1.5.0-7 |
| 16:12:36 | sig | SirPsycho-home: |
| 16:14:57 | Cloud | ok i reinstalled the player and i can add things to the list no problem...although they are still in octet-stream |
| 16:15:12 | Cloud | so...looks like qtopia is stupid (and me too) |
| 16:27:23 | Cloud | hiya |
| 16:29:08 | Cloud | XavX_away you're not stil here by chance are you? |
| 16:31:22 | Cloud | does anyone know if you ftp to your z, how to access the cf/sd cards? |
| 16:32:32 | Nadav | /mnt/sd ? |
| 16:33:07 | Cloud | hehe i just tried that..no permissions it looks like but not sure if it should be: |
| 16:33:31 | Nadav | no permissions? |
| 16:33:32 | Cloud | ftp//root@192.168.129.201:4242/mnt/card or |
| 16:33:38 | Nadav | are you ftp'd in as root? |
| 16:33:50 | Nadav | use an ftp client :) |
| 16:33:50 | Cloud | ftp//root@192.168.129.201/mnt/card:4242 |
| 16:34:29 | Cloud | oki |
| 16:39:57 | Cloud | doesn't seem to want to connect with ftp client |
| 16:41:08 | Cloud | wants a password |
| 16:41:49 | Cloud | ah got it ;) |
| 16:41:59 | Cloud | i think |
| 16:43:38 | Nadav | hm |
| 16:43:59 | Cloud | nope i dont' |
| 16:44:19 | Nadav | ? |
| 16:44:37 | Cloud | can't see anything once i get connect |
| 16:44:50 | Cloud | in /home/root |
| 16:45:03 | Cloud | or /home |
| 16:45:38 | Nadav | hm |
| 16:47:57 | tux_mike | kergoth hasn't stirred, has he? |
| 16:48:09 | Cloud | haven't seen him yet today |
| 16:54:11 | Cloud | ok tried another ftp client |
| 16:54:15 | Cloud | this looks more promising ;) |
| 16:57:19 | Nadav | hehe |
| 16:58:39 | Cloud | is so confused |
| 17:00:03 | Cloud | hiya ljp |
| 17:01:25 | ljp_ | hi |
| 17:01:57 | Cloud | i'm beginning to thing you have to be a rocket scientist to use a z |
| 17:02:08 | Cloud | and i'm no rocket scientist ;) |
| 17:02:09 | mark | what have rockets got to do with it? |
| 17:02:10 | ljp_ | hmmm thats too bad.. why? |
| 17:02:25 | Cloud | just a figure of speech mark |
| 17:02:35 | Cloud | because things don't work the way they should |
| 17:02:38 | mark | Cloud: i know, i'm just being silly :) |
| 17:02:49 | ljp_ | ok, how shouldthey work? |
| 17:02:50 | Cloud | hehe |
| 17:02:58 | Cloud | well ok i'm joe user right? |
| 17:03:02 | Cloud | i buy a z |
| 17:03:06 | ljp_ | mm hmm |
| 17:03:14 | mark | Cloud: yeh.... |
| 17:03:20 | Cloud | i want to listen to music |
| 17:03:23 | Cloud | get some oggs |
| 17:03:24 | mark | yeh.... |
| 17:03:32 | Cloud | drag em into qtopia |
| 17:03:42 | mark | (joe users get mp3s btw :)) |
| 17:03:43 | ljp_ | qtopia? you meanwtopiadesktop? |
| 17:03:45 | Cloud | ok the player sees them |
| 17:03:59 | ljp_ | qtopiadekstop even |
| 17:04:01 | Cloud | yes qtopia desktop ;) |
| 17:04:11 | Cloud | they get put in octet-stream |
| 17:04:19 | Cloud | so although the player sees them |
| 17:04:26 | Cloud | can't open them from docs |
| 17:04:35 | Cloud | now.. i did what XX suggested |
| 17:04:42 | Cloud | i ftp'd them to sd card |
| 17:04:51 | mark | their mime type isn't registered? |
| 17:05:07 | Cloud | then in tkc explorer i say "add to documents" |
| 17:05:11 | Cloud | apparently not mark |
| 17:05:42 | Cloud | so then, explorer adds to documents, it goes to audio/ogg all is good |
| 17:05:50 | Cloud | except its audio/ogg in ram |
| 17:05:53 | Cloud | not on sd card |
| 17:06:20 | Cloud | ah there you are xx ;) |
| 17:06:23 | ljp_ | soitmoved\s it to audio/ogg, instead of just creating a doclnk there? |
| 17:06:38 | XavierXeon | the oggs are still on SD, there is only a link to them in ram |
| 17:06:39 | Cloud | ah that i don't know |
| 17:06:46 | Cloud | ohh |
| 17:07:02 | Cloud | ok gotcha |
| 17:07:10 | Cloud | makes a note |
| 17:07:29 | Cloud | so then how to get qtopia desktop to recognize that mime type |
| 17:07:47 | ljp_ | thats handled in the .desktop file |
| 17:08:07 | ljp_ | dont know why its not working |
| 17:08:08 | XavierXeon | qtopiadesktop has its own mime.types file |
| 17:08:13 | Cloud | i looked at that |
| 17:08:24 | Cloud | says audio/ogg |
| 17:09:27 | XavierXeon | are you sure you are not confusing mime.types on your Z with the qtopiadesktop one on your pc |
| 17:09:52 | Cloud | i certainly might be :) |
| 17:10:17 | Cloud | is there a way to look on qtopia desktop? |
| 17:10:23 | ljp_ | on the Z, what happens when you click ona ogg file on the Documents tab? |
| 17:13:07 | Cloud | it says No application is defined for this document. Type is application/octet-stream |
| 17:13:16 | Cloud | if i get it onto z via qtopia desktop |
| 17:13:31 | Cloud | the one i "moved to documents" now opens fine from docs tab |
| 17:13:40 | Cloud | i ftp'd it to sd card |
| 17:13:52 | ljp_ | ahh.. ok.. the bug then is in qtopiadesktop |
| 17:13:53 | Cloud | then in explorer i added to documents |
| 17:13:55 | Cloud | right |
| 17:14:05 | Cloud | that and i now have 3 entries on my docs tab |
| 17:14:09 | Cloud | for the 1 song |
| 17:14:16 | Cloud | that i ftp'd over |
| 17:14:44 | Cloud | player will see the oggs no matter where they are, |
| 17:14:45 | XavierXeon | There should be a etc directoty on you pc under the path where qtopiadesktop is installed, there you will find mime.types |
| 17:14:54 | Cloud | ok i'll look |
| 17:17:26 | Cloud | no ogg entry |
| 17:18:08 | XavierXeon | edit it accordingly |
| 17:18:56 | XavierXeon | ljp : there is another guy on ZZ who wants to synch with OZ ;-) |
| 17:19:22 | ljp_ | hmm.. and he's hai\ving a problem, I presume? |
| 17:19:41 | XavierXeon | obviously there is no open ftp port |
| 17:19:42 | ljp_ | I need a typing class |
| 17:20:29 | ljp_ | ya, the Security settings apps need to specify which ip range to accept |
| 17:21:31 | XavierXeon | i know. i like it with closed ports. people seem to be unable to read older forum entries or use the search function |
| 17:22:37 | Cloud | yahoo! thank you!!! |
| 17:22:41 | Cloud | that worked |
| 17:22:50 | XavierXeon | does it work mow ? |
| 17:22:51 | Cloud | put it into audio/ogg on my sd card |
| 17:23:16 | Cloud | so trolltech needs to add that to their list then ;) |
| 17:23:35 | ljp_ | heh good luck getting them to do anythng |
| 17:23:39 | XavierXeon | good stuff ! make an entry on ZZ to share your wisdom |
| 17:23:57 | Cloud | ok |
| 17:24:16 | XavierXeon | trolltech will look pretty lame with the next release of opie |
| 17:24:27 | ljp_ | :) |
| 17:24:41 | Cloud | oh really? tell joe user here why :) |
| 17:24:51 | ljp_ | I didn't realize that qtopiadesktop has its own mime.types file |
| 17:25:14 | Cloud | yah.. could be a problem for odd apps |
| 17:25:25 | Cloud | i wonder if i could get gnu boy to work if i edit that |
| 17:25:26 | XavierXeon | me neither. i just found it. (i don't use it anyway) |
| 17:25:49 | Cloud | it is/should be an easy way to get files from pc to z |
| 17:26:08 | Cloud | i don't care about synching address/contacts/calendar |
| 17:26:15 | XavierXeon | there was a forum topic on making gnuboy work with mimetypes. it is still cery slow though |
| 17:26:45 | Cloud | but i like a quick way to get files back and forth to z and have them show up in the right place |
| 17:26:54 | ljp_ | http://handhelds.org/scap/land.18652.png |
| 17:26:59 | XavierXeon | windows pc ? |
| 17:27:24 | Cloud | cause i don't always have time to mess around to get something to work |
| 17:27:32 | Cloud | i have windows and linux |
| 17:27:36 | Cloud | but have to use windows more |
| 17:28:10 | XavierXeon | use linux. get an nfs server working and mount your pc as an nfs share to the z |
| 17:28:21 | XavierXeon | for windows do the smae as a samba share |
| 17:29:23 | Cloud | linux doesn't have the support for some apps i use |
| 17:29:29 | Cloud | and alot of games |
| 17:29:43 | Cloud | if i have to switch back and forth its not doing its job for me as a primary os |
| 17:30:05 | Cloud | believe me, i'd like nothing better than to ditch windows totally |
| 17:30:08 | XavierXeon | http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=220 fr a smbmount app for the Z |
| 17:30:29 | Cloud | what would i do with that XX? |
| 17:31:07 | XavierXeon | a directory on the Z would function like a network drive under windows |
| 17:31:29 | XavierXeon | so you just can copy stuff on your Z from the samba dir to wherever you like |
| 17:31:42 | Cloud | ok i'll have to try that out :) |
| 17:32:05 | Cloud | but still there's a point here :) |
| 17:32:09 | Cloud | i'll do it |
| 17:32:11 | Cloud | you'll do it |
| 17:32:17 | Cloud | but most won't/can't |
| 17:32:35 | Cloud | we want the z to be successful |
| 17:32:45 | XavierXeon | linux is no OS for people who are unwilling to try |
| 17:33:03 | Cloud | then linux will never outdo microsoft |
| 17:33:08 | Cloud | and its a losing battle |
| 17:33:15 | Cloud | i understand what you are saying |
| 17:33:47 | XavierXeon | i don't care about autdoing microsoft. i like linux and that is it. |
| 17:33:54 | Austin | Ahh, the age-old argument. |
| 17:33:54 | Cloud | i like linux too |
| 17:34:03 | Cloud | but i can't use it daily for work |
| 17:34:10 | XavierXeon | why not ? |
| 17:34:13 | Cloud | because i'm not an island |
| 17:34:14 | Austin | This is as moot as vi v.s. emacs, of course. |
| 17:34:30 | Cloud | i have things i have to do that require certain apps that are only available on windows |
| 17:34:58 | Austin | One the one hand, you have people who are competent in using it, like it, and don't give a flip whether or not anyone else uses it. |
| 17:34:59 | Cloud | my boss and our clients don't give a shit what os i use |
| 17:35:15 | Cloud | as long as the docs we swap are readable on their windows machine |
| 17:35:15 | Austin | On the other hand, you have people who fell in love with it and want everyone on the planet to use this great thing. |
| 17:35:33 | XavierXeon | yeah i know. i have to code on windows for my job |
| 17:35:35 | Cloud | like i have to do visio diagrams |
| 17:35:55 | Cloud | there is NOTHING that will deal with them except visio |
| 17:36:11 | XavierXeon | what's a visio diagram ? |
| 17:36:21 | Cloud | network diagrams |
| 17:36:28 | Cloud | most companies use visio |
| 17:36:44 | Cloud | its very proprietary and now microsoft owns visio |
| 17:37:01 | Cloud | i get diagrams from clients in visio and i have to open them in visio |
| 17:37:21 | BigBoss | yo |
| 17:37:26 | Cloud | heya big boss ;) |
| 17:37:39 | BigBoss | what's the 411? |
| 17:37:52 | Cloud | been working on the player, had some glitches that these nice fellas helped me out with |
| 17:38:32 | ljp_ | 411? |
| 17:38:33 | BigBoss | our player has glitches? |
| 17:38:36 | Cloud | when you want to use oggs and have them work totally you need to edit the mime.type file on the desktopqtopia |
| 17:38:41 | Cloud | no your player doesn't |
| 17:38:43 | BigBoss | 411 == infomartion |
| 17:38:48 | ljp_ | ahhh |
| 17:38:52 | Cloud | just took me some time to figure out where the issue was |
| 17:38:57 | Cloud | half my stupidy |
| 17:39:02 | Cloud | stupidity |
| 17:39:06 | BigBoss | :) |
| 17:39:06 | Cloud | half qtopias |
| 17:39:38 | Cloud | but i'll document the mime-type thing so anyone who wants to use oggs will know how to do it pretty simply |
| 17:43:32 | Cloud | how are you doing today? |
| 17:44:36 | BigBoss | back is killing me |
| 17:44:42 | BigBoss | I pulled the muscle last week |
| 17:44:51 | BigBoss | tried working out yesterday and aggravated it again |
| 17:45:03 | BigBoss | but I have to leave to drink beer and play softball in an hour |
| 17:45:36 | XavierXeon | beer want hurt your back but softball will |
| 17:45:47 | XavierXeon | hmm...beer |
| 17:46:06 | Cloud | yeah skip the softball part and just drink beer |
| 17:46:08 | ljp_ | BB: get your kids to walk on your back |
| 17:46:24 | BigBoss | I'm bringing a chair |
| 17:46:26 | BigBoss | :) |
| 17:46:46 | BigBoss | I'm pissed becuse it was almost better and I avoided back exercises, but I got secondary stress doing tricep extensions |
| 17:48:53 | mark | me is bored |
| 17:49:28 | ljp_ | is bored, cause he's in his office for a bit longer |
| 17:49:47 | mark | is strangely bored coz his exams are over |
| 17:50:32 | XavierXeon | mark : get yourself a job and you will appreciate being bored |
| 17:50:36 | Cloud | haha |
| 17:50:46 | mark | heh |
| 17:54:17 | mark | doesn't like the idea of a menial job |
| 17:55:17 | W|GGL|T | is back (gone 09:07:25) |
| 17:55:36 | XavierXeon | mark : nobody does ! |
| 17:58:41 | mark | heh |
| 17:59:32 | W|GGL|T | when it comes to putting food on the family table, you don't always have 100% choice |
| 18:01:27 | Cloud | nods in agreement |
| 18:01:33 | ljp_ | especially if that table is a box |
| 18:01:35 | Cloud | idealism is for the young |
| 18:01:38 | Cloud | ;) |
| 18:01:44 | Cloud | realism is for the old |
| 18:01:52 | W|GGL|T | so true |
| 18:02:18 | ljp_ | or the table is loaded full of old computer boxes and parts, like mine is ;) |
| 18:02:34 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 18:03:05 | Cloud | i haven't found a way to turn old parts into nutritious meals yet! |
| 18:03:08 | mark | Cloud: i'm young :) |
| 18:03:21 | Cloud | knows |
| 18:03:27 | XavierXeon | its called "disillusion" not realism |
| 18:03:30 | Cloud | isn't so young |
| 18:03:51 | ljp_ | I have.. put parts from several, non working boxes into one working box, and then sell to someone that doesn't know what a fast machine is |
| 18:04:15 | Cloud | haha |
| 18:04:55 | XavierXeon | ljp : how much did you charfe ? (with or w/o OS) |
| 18:05:01 | mark | wonders if he wins the 'youngest opie developer' award |
| 18:05:08 | XavierXeon | charge |
| 18:05:11 | Cloud | oh man |
| 18:05:19 | Cloud | i messed something up |
| 18:05:32 | Cloud | sighs |
| 18:05:33 | ljp_ | XX; not sure... depends on whats wanted, I suppose |
| 18:06:29 | W|GGL|T | anyone in #question? |
| 18:06:31 | W|GGL|T | hehe |
| 18:06:49 | Cloud | hmm someone just mentioned that in linuXchange |
| 18:06:55 | Cloud | what is that? |
| 18:06:59 | W|GGL|T | lilo is speaking |
| 18:07:02 | XavierXeon | yeah me, what is the hussle ? |
| 18:07:32 | W|GGL|T | you guys' irc clients cant see global notices? |
| 18:07:40 | ljp_ | I can |
| 18:08:04 | Cloud | i can just don't look there all the time |
| 18:08:15 | W|GGL|T | i guess he wants opinions on how OPN is |
| 18:08:33 | XavierXeon | i am just wondering what is is about |
| 18:08:47 | W|GGL|T | not that im there :o) |
| 18:08:58 | XavierXeon | is he trying to get a channel overflow ? |
| 18:09:45 | W|GGL|T | almost 400 people in one channel...hehe |
| 18:14:34 | mark | whats happening in #question? |
| 18:14:41 | Rince | don't ask me... |
| 18:14:55 | Cloud | guess i should go see what it is he does...i'm guessing he runs this irc server |
| 18:15:02 | mark | yeh |
| 18:15:21 | sig | hey hey |
| 18:15:39 | Cloud | i think he's been getting some bad feedback |
| 18:15:53 | ljp_ | heh.. |
| 18:15:58 | Cloud | and wants to know if its trolls or if everyone feels that way |
| 18:16:08 | Cloud | i did read something...maybe on his web page |
| 18:16:11 | ljp_ | just trolls |
| 18:16:14 | sig | Cloud: what are you talking about? |
| 18:16:16 | Cloud | that he's looking for support? |
| 18:16:23 | Cloud | equipment and the like? |
| 18:16:32 | mark | i'm nto sure |
| 18:17:45 | mark | i think he was 'no, no, you rock' messages |
| 18:17:46 | Cloud | yeah he's been trying to fundraise |
| 18:18:14 | Cloud | if you look in the status messages |
| 18:18:14 | Twiun | Hehe, encourage Jason to get Sharp as a sponsor ;-) |
| 18:18:24 | Cloud | lilo- [GlobalNotice] Hi everybody. I've started sending two messages a day for fund raising, asking people to help so I can keep at this. I'm skipping the second message today and replacing it with something that I hope will be helpful. |
| 18:19:08 | sig | i just opened zic and it went to runlevel 3 |
| 18:19:10 | sig | wtf!! |
| 18:19:14 | sig | can't do crap now |
| 18:19:16 | sig | !!!! |
| 18:19:23 | XavierXeon | has he some kind of midlife crisis ? i sent him an email that he should continue what he is doing |
| 18:19:44 | Cloud | http://lilo.sargasso.net/ |
| 18:19:46 | sig | i see the cursor blinking in the middle of my gui |
| 18:20:17 | sig | this is wack |
| 18:21:22 | sig_zaurus | that was weird |
| 18:22:00 | sig_zaurus | too bad this thing does crap like that every once in a while... |
| 18:22:09 | sig_zaurus | pisses me off |
| 18:23:51 | darienm | pri5n3 |
| 18:23:58 | darienm | j3048sd |
| 18:24:03 | darienm | argh |
| 18:24:18 | Cloud | those your passwords darienm:? |
| 18:24:22 | darienm | hah, no. |
| 18:24:25 | Cloud | hehe |
| 18:24:48 | tux_mike | damnit sdmgr isn't starting |
| 18:25:22 | sig_zaurus | <> |
| 18:25:41 | sig_zaurus | damn dogs barking at the cyotes |
| 18:25:53 | sig_zaurus | bash-2.05# cat /proc/cpuinfo Processor : Intel StrongARM-1110 rev 8 (v4l) BogoMIPS : 137.21 Hardware : Sharp-Collie Revision : 0000 Serial : 0000000000000000 bash-2.05# |
| 18:26:09 | sig_zaurus | paste works nicely in zic |
| 18:27:01 | sig_zaurus | if you paste in tkcjabber it crashes the prog |
| 18:27:15 | | feed is, like, a package repository or http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds or http://www.zauruszone.com/feed/ or http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/ for OpenZaurus |
| 18:27:15 | sig_zaurus | ibot feed |
| 18:28:27 | sig_zaurus | bbl |
| 18:31:34 | sig | does anyone know in order to play quake, if you need the quake-data? |
| 18:32:28 | darienm | Yes, I've read that you do. |
| 18:32:36 | darienm | But I've also read that quake is not really 'playable' in the sense. |
| 18:33:05 | darienm | Framerate is supposedly lousy, and the controls may not be mapped to anything. |
| 18:33:20 | sig | yea, playing mpegs sucks too |
| 18:33:22 | darienm | I think the big deal is that it 'loads'. that's about all. |
| 18:33:29 | sig | all the mpegs I've played are all choppy |
| 18:33:30 | sig | sucks |
| 18:33:43 | darienm | I've downloaded a few from www.pocketmovies.net that are alright. |
| 18:34:23 | darienm | They're optimized for handhelds. |
| 18:34:49 | darienm | http://www.pocketmovies.net/detail_246.html is one recommendation |
| 18:34:59 | darienm | http://www.pocketmovies.net/detail_249.html is another |
| 18:35:11 | darienm | both cute animations |
| 18:36:03 | whardier | hi. |
| 18:36:11 | Cloud | whardier!! |
| 18:36:19 | whardier | :) |
| 18:36:21 | Cloud | bout time you woke up! |
| 18:36:27 | whardier | I went to sleep late |
| 18:36:32 | whardier | I had to geek out a friend |
| 18:36:47 | Cloud | i see |
| 18:36:53 | whardier | and I went and saw Minority Report |
| 18:36:56 | whardier | its was along movie |
| 18:37:10 | whardier | s/al/a l/ |
| 18:38:40 | Cloud | was it good? |
| 18:40:12 | whardier | yeah |
| 18:50:40 | Cloud | you guys watching still in #question? |
| 19:18:26 | Cloud | h- |
| 19:37:01 | W|GGL|T | im in there now |
| 19:37:58 | Cloud | wow |
| 19:38:19 | Cloud | i'm still reading back cause i looked away when he was opening for comments |
| 19:38:41 | W|GGL|T | most of it is just people bs'ing, trying to force an opinion down people's throats |
| 19:39:45 | W|GGL|T | need +voice in there...heh |
| 19:42:21 | Cloud | do you want to say somtehing? |
| 19:42:59 | W|GGL|T | i already did, but there's so much flotsam in there, its hard to even read alot of it |
| 19:43:14 | Cloud | i didn't see anything from you yet |
| 19:43:54 | Cloud | ah at the end there ;) |
| 19:43:57 | Cloud | i hadn't' gotten that far yet |
| 19:44:51 | whardier | I just feel damn happy with potato burritos in me |
| 19:45:30 | W|GGL|T | i think I'll donate a few $ to lilo |
| 19:45:36 | W|GGL|T | because i like OPN |
| 19:46:31 | Cloud | i do too |
| 19:47:46 | Cloud | and i might also ;) |
| 19:47:56 | Nadav | i already did ;) |
| 19:48:35 | Cloud | there's many things i would like to contribute money too that are worthwhile to me |
| 19:48:46 | Nadav | yep |
| 19:48:49 | Nadav | too bad we're not all ricvh |
| 19:48:50 | Nadav | *rich |
| 19:48:54 | Cloud | nods |
| 19:50:11 | whardier | well |
| 19:50:15 | whardier | you know what my pappy used to say |
| 19:50:30 | Cloud | you get what you pay for? |
| 19:50:34 | whardier | sorta |
| 19:50:46 | whardier | well |
| 19:50:49 | Cloud | no such thing as a free lunch? |
| 19:50:50 | whardier | I can't remember what he used to say |
| 19:50:52 | Cloud | haha |
| 19:51:02 | whardier | but it was something about fishing and just giving the fish |
| 19:51:05 | whardier | and horses I think |
| 19:51:08 | whardier | but you get the point |
| 19:51:17 | whardier | I wanna get lilo |
| 19:51:19 | whardier | a job! |
| 19:51:21 | whardier | heh |
| 19:51:22 | Cloud | hehe |
| 19:51:36 | Cloud | jobs are not so easy these days |
| 19:51:43 | Cloud | so i'm hoping not to get laid off |
| 19:51:51 | Cloud | but its not looking good |
| 19:51:56 | whardier | jobs are pretty easy to get |
| 19:51:57 | W|GGL|T | oh..."give a man a fish and he'll not be hungry a day, teach him to fish and he'll feed himself for life" or something like that |
| 19:52:08 | Cloud | right! i know that one |
| 19:52:09 | whardier | you just have to stop being a pussy and get something lower than you think you are |
| 19:52:10 | W|GGL|T | why doesn't he just go back to mainframes? |
| 19:52:24 | whardier | haha |
| 19:52:37 | whardier | why doesn't he go flip a damn burger and make whats important to him happen |
| 19:52:47 | whardier | he can IRC from burger king.. |
| 19:52:56 | Cloud | not if he's flipping burgers |
| 19:52:57 | W|GGL|T | maybe he HAS...i used to do that and i'll NEVER do it again |
| 19:52:59 | W|GGL|T | harsh job |
| 19:53:11 | whardier | feed kids |
| 19:53:12 | whardier | keep car |
| 19:53:17 | whardier | quit spamming 1000's of people for money |
| 19:53:32 | whardier | I dunno.. the teeter totter of life is very fickle |
| 19:53:36 | W|GGL|T | im sorry but i can find better low wage jobs that won't put me over a grill |
| 19:53:46 | whardier | tell lilo where to start! |
| 19:53:52 | whardier | I told him to move to alaska.. hahahaha |
| 19:54:00 | Cloud | if i lose my job and have to take less money i'd lose my house |
| 19:54:01 | whardier | he thougght that would be too difficult |
| 19:54:11 | whardier | and there are lots of grants for remote teaching and stuff that is right up his alley |
| 19:54:16 | W|GGL|T | evidently, he's not hit bottom yet or he'd be asking "you wanna go big with that?" |
| 19:54:25 | ljp | alaska? did I hear alaska..? |
| 19:54:30 | whardier | :) |
| 19:54:33 | Cloud | ooh i'd like to live in alaska |
| 19:54:38 | whardier | Alaska is pimp |
| 19:54:50 | whardier | except if you are a white guy surrounded by Aleut women.. |
| 19:54:53 | W|GGL|T | i wouldn't mind alaska, i think |
| 19:54:53 | whardier | it gets ugly after that |
| 19:54:54 | treke|home | unfortunatly, lilo's seems to be convinced that hes essential to the network. and takes any positive comment as reinforcement |
| 19:54:55 | ljp | alaksa need more wireless |
| 19:55:00 | whardier | that they do |
| 19:55:04 | whardier | and those are my plans |
| 19:55:15 | whardier | I just need $10,000 to get that started :) |
| 19:55:23 | whardier | so I am looking at grants day in day out |
| 19:55:23 | whardier | heh |
| 19:55:27 | whardier | and meeting with a grant writer today |
| 19:55:31 | ljp | beam from skyscrapers in anchorage |
| 19:55:32 | Cloud | cool |
| 19:55:37 | whardier | ljp basically |
| 19:55:39 | Cloud | can i come too and work for you? |
| 19:55:45 | whardier | haha |
| 19:55:46 | whardier | no |
| 19:55:52 | W|GGL|T | they have skyscrapers there? hehe |
| 19:55:53 | Cloud | well bleh to you then |
| 19:55:54 | whardier | sorry cloud but I have a posse |
| 19:56:30 | whardier | W|GGL|T take the second largest city in the state you live in.. devide it by two.. keep some skyscrapers.. and make all the small roads into highways.. thats Anchorage |
| 19:56:39 | W|GGL|T | would like a tech job but the only thing really tech out here are cow-milking machines |
| 19:56:45 | ljp | and he has to dog sled into some places.. |
| 19:57:02 | whardier | W|GGL|T heh.. |
| 19:58:12 | whardier | is somewhat thinking about Girdwood or Anchorage as a place to move too |
| 19:59:16 | ljp | advises against girdwood and move to kenai |
| 19:59:35 | whardier | why Kenai vs? |
| 19:59:45 | ljp | but thats a long drive to the dishes in anchor otwn |
| 19:59:49 | whardier | yeah |
| 19:59:56 | whardier | Anchorage is probably my best bet for moneys |
| 20:00:21 | whardier | I wanna make it all the way up to dead horse with wireless if I can |
| 20:00:29 | ljp | too many hills by fairbanks |
| 20:00:43 | whardier | hehe |
| 20:00:45 | whardier | yeah |
| 20:00:47 | whardier | impossible hills |
| 20:00:53 | whardier | fairbanks has a fiber line tho |
| 20:01:02 | whardier | and there is fiber running out to Dutch Harbor as well |
| 20:01:02 | whardier | heh |
| 20:01:27 | whardier | my main goal is to do wireless all the way down the island chain |
| 20:01:45 | whardier | but some of the islands are 40+ miles apart |
| 20:01:57 | whardier | so I would have to use VHF trancievers |
| 20:02:00 | ljp | bounce it like a rock on hte water |
| 20:02:04 | whardier | hehe |
| 20:02:07 | whardier | fresnel distortion |
| 20:02:11 | whardier | freznel distortion |
| 20:02:39 | mark_ | #question has become invite only |
| 20:02:43 | whardier | :( |
| 20:02:50 | mark_ | odd |
| 20:02:59 | ljp | also have to take into account magnetic storms |
| 20:03:14 | Cloud | k i just quit out of there |
| 20:03:18 | Cloud | everyonen was leaving |
| 20:03:33 | mark_ | Cloud: ok, anything exciting happened? |
| 20:03:42 | Cloud | yeah you missed all lthe open comments |
| 20:03:50 | Cloud | got a bit ugly in there |
| 20:03:51 | XavierXeon | strength of magnetic field of the earth is decreasing constantly |
| 20:04:02 | mark_ | Cloud: really? aww, shame I missed it :) |
| 20:04:05 | XavierXeon | less radio transmission every year |
| 20:04:15 | Cloud | once he read enough mails he opened up for comments |
| 20:04:49 | mark_ | Cloud: I see. mostly positive? |
| 20:05:05 | Cloud | not really.. |
| 20:05:11 | mark_ | oh dear. |
| 20:05:15 | Cloud | well there was positive but the negatives talked more |
| 20:05:21 | Cloud | if that makes sense.. |
| 20:05:21 | mark_ | heh |
| 20:05:28 | mark_ | yep |
| 20:05:31 | mark_ | catalin: how you getting on? |
| 20:05:35 | Cloud | so it looked more negative causes htey were more vocal |
| 20:05:50 | mark_ | I see. I'll send an email I suppose |
| 20:06:01 | treke|home | wished there were fewer morons on the negative side |
| 20:06:57 | Cloud | i think the whole thing couold have been handled differently |
| 20:07:52 | Cloud | but its very hard to |
| 20:08:01 | Cloud | not sure of how to say it.. |
| 20:08:41 | Cloud | so i'd probly better not try |
| 20:09:30 | mark_ | heh |
| 20:09:58 | Cloud | its kind of like how the internet became a place to make money |
| 20:10:06 | Cloud | so alot tried to make money from it |
| 20:10:07 | Cloud | and failed |
| 20:10:46 | Cloud | because people don't want to pay every step of the way |
| 20:11:07 | Cloud | but if used as a tool it can enhance a business |
| 20:11:38 | Cloud | and its become a part of businesses |
| 20:11:40 | XavierXeon | yeah and the people responsible for it in the first place got so pissed off that the now use inernet2 |
| 20:11:48 | Cloud | nods |
| 20:12:13 | XavierXeon | there are huge backbones just for universities nd military use, not accessible for anyone else |
| 20:12:19 | Cloud | aye |
| 20:12:36 | Cloud | right |
| 20:13:14 | [DrEvil] | it's all Al Gore's fault |
| 20:23:15 | Twiun | updating CVs is such a chore... |
| 20:29:48 | W|GGL|T | got quiet |
| 20:30:15 | Twiun | yup... I must've said something ;-) |
| 20:30:21 | nelazul | yeah that tends to happen whenever i enter a room :P |
| 20:30:26 | Twiun | shouts 'Boooo!' |
| 20:30:30 | Cloud | hiya ;) |
| 20:30:35 | Twiun | Heya |
| 20:30:38 | Cloud | i was eating ;) |
| 20:30:41 | Twiun | Bah |
| 20:30:44 | Cloud | hard to type with my hands full |
| 20:30:46 | Twiun | Call that an excuse? |
| 20:30:57 | Cloud | (was eating a sandwich) |
| 20:31:04 | Twiun | you should cram everything in your mouth - it' |
| 20:31:06 | nelazul | you mean you don't have experience with one-handed typing? |
| 20:31:16 | Cloud | it was a two-handed sandwich! |
| 20:31:16 | Twiun | it's not as if you need to speak or anything ;-) |
| 20:31:59 | Twiun | nelazul: I resent that comment... I use the slideshow features! |
| 20:32:03 | Twiun | laughs |
| 20:32:08 | nelazul | hehe |
| 20:34:13 | nelazul | mmm chatzilla is nice when i'm lazy ;) |
| 20:37:21 | sig | what is mozillas chat client called? |
| 20:37:23 | Cloud | what is chatzilla? |
| 20:37:41 | Nadav | chatzilla = mozilla irc client |
| 20:38:40 | sig | how do you run it Nadav? |
| 20:39:21 | Nadav | uh |
| 20:39:24 | nelazul | it's just part of mozilla |
| 20:39:27 | Nadav | there's a button in mozilla |
| 20:39:36 | Nadav | see the buttons on bottom left? |
| 20:39:41 | Nadav | one that says cZ |
| 20:39:47 | W|GGL|T | moz 1.0? |
| 20:39:49 | Nadav | yeah |
| 20:40:38 | Nadav | brb |
| 20:40:39 | whardier | OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHH |
| 20:40:40 | whardier | stinky feet |
| 20:41:41 | ljp | got got mozilla running on your z? |
| 20:42:01 | whardier | whois got? |
| 20:42:10 | nelazul | ljp: no, but that'd be nice... |
| 20:42:16 | whardier | and huge |
| 20:42:16 | whardier | haha |
| 20:44:05 | Speedy2 | re |
| 20:48:07 | Speedy2 | Wow |
| 20:48:09 | Speedy2 | Everyone is dead |
| 20:48:25 | W|GGL|T | is editing some pages |
| 20:48:42 | ljp | me too |
| 20:48:44 | W|GGL|T | before the rugrats awaken |
| 20:48:47 | nelazul | is reading lowbrow |
| 20:48:50 | nelazul | heh |
| 20:49:20 | Speedy2 | hrm |
| 20:51:46 | Cloud | is not Dead! |
| 20:51:57 | Speedy2 | Hi cloud |
| 20:52:44 | Cloud | hiya! |
| 20:54:15 | W|GGL|T | crap...rugrat R awake |
| 20:54:18 | W|GGL|T | that was quick |
| 20:54:32 | Speedy2 | That's what you call your child? |
| 20:54:32 | Speedy2 | hrm. |
| 20:54:32 | Cloud | hehe short naps? |
| 20:54:42 | W|GGL|T | yeah |
| 20:54:45 | Speedy2 | (Maybe you should given them a higher dosage of codine) |
| 20:54:50 | Speedy2 | (aka Nyquil) |
| 20:55:07 | Speedy2 | It's good when they're teething |
| 20:55:20 | W|GGL|T | i call them rugrats, runts, sweethearts (girls) or whatever jumps to my mind, depending on the mood |
| 20:55:20 | W|GGL|T | hehe |
| 20:55:38 | W|GGL|T | i just use ambesol for that |
| 20:55:47 | W|GGL|T | and/or tylenol |
| 20:55:49 | Speedy2 | Nyquil works better |
| 20:55:54 | Speedy2 | Cause it puts them to sleep |
| 20:56:00 | Speedy2 | For extended periods of time |
| 20:56:12 | W|GGL|T | tylenol will too...dunno of they make nyquil for kids tho |
| 20:56:32 | Cloud | benedryl |
| 20:56:35 | Cloud | for kids |
| 20:56:58 | W|GGL|T | yeah, i use that too....one of them has a skin condition so the doc prescribed benedryl |
| 20:57:16 | Cloud | definitely makes them sleepy |
| 20:57:20 | ljp | naaa.. give em a good shot ol whiskey! |
| 20:57:23 | W|GGL|T | sorta likes being an at-home dad...just miss working ALOT |
| 20:57:26 | W|GGL|T | ljp: LOL |
| 20:57:36 | W|GGL|T | share that with daddy...hehe |
| 20:57:41 | Cloud | hehe i loved it when my husband was a stay at home dad |
| 20:58:01 | Speedy2 | I bet |
| 20:58:06 | W|GGL|T | how'd your husband like it? |
| 20:58:07 | Cloud | trying to figure out a way that he can do it again |
| 20:58:17 | Cloud | well he thought he really wantedd to work again |
| 20:58:23 | Speedy2 | What does he do? |
| 20:58:34 | Cloud | then when he had to he discoverd how much he liked being at home ;) |
| 20:58:37 | Speedy2 | Nurse/Practioner? |
| 20:58:40 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 20:58:51 | Cloud | well he used to do pre-press work |
| 20:58:53 | W|GGL|T | it may be the same for me |
| 20:59:14 | Cloud | then he decided to work part time at the bowling alley cause he likes to bowl |
| 20:59:18 | Cloud | then we bought a house |
| 20:59:28 | Cloud | and so he needed to work full time |
| 20:59:42 | Cloud | so now he's the asst. manager at the bowling alley :) |
| 20:59:56 | Speedy2 | Bowling? "Bowling, bowling, everybody go bowling!" -- Homer Simpson |
| 21:00:02 | Cloud | but its' hard now cause sometimes i go away for work |
| 21:00:02 | Speedy2 | (weilding a shot gun, shooting in the air) |
| 21:00:06 | Cloud | or work late |
| 21:00:09 | Speedy2 | What do you do? |
| 21:00:11 | Cloud | or work in nyc |
| 21:00:30 | Cloud | i'm a network engineer (cisco) |
| 21:00:42 | Speedy2 | Ah |
| 21:00:49 | Speedy2 | My cousin does work for Cisco |
| 21:00:57 | Cloud | i don't work for cisco |
| 21:01:02 | Speedy2 | Yeah |
| 21:01:05 | Cloud | i work on cisco products :) |
| 21:01:06 | Speedy2 | YOu work ON Cisco |
| 21:01:06 | Speedy2 | yeah |
| 21:01:08 | Cloud | right |
| 21:01:14 | Speedy2 | Better than working on Crisco |
| 21:01:25 | Cloud | the company i work for got bought last year by NEC |
| 21:01:27 | Speedy2 | Only one letter, but it makes a big difference |
| 21:01:51 | Speedy2 | re |
| 21:01:55 | Cloud | so...we went from small to very big |
| 21:01:57 | NetAmp | :) |
| 21:02:09 | Speedy2 | Clould: Sorry, that sux, NEC is one of those crappy companies |
| 21:02:11 | Cloud | hiya NetAmp |
| 21:02:15 | Cloud | yeah |
| 21:02:20 | NetAmp | g'day Cloud :) |
| 21:02:27 | Speedy2 | I don't think I know of a company with worse customer service than NEC |
| 21:02:32 | NetAmp | slashdot: "Explaining Disappointing XScale Performance In Pocket PCs" :( |
| 21:02:32 | Speedy2 | NEC and Epson. |
| 21:02:41 | Speedy2 | XScale is a sham |
| 21:02:44 | Speedy2 | Intel sux |
| 21:02:54 | Speedy2 | Note: They didn't design or create the StrongARM |
| 21:04:13 | NetAmp | ok |
| 21:05:37 | Speedy2 | Besides, XScale supports ARM v5, not ARM v4...silly Slashdot |
| 21:06:33 | ljp | I used to blow up stretch armstrong with firecrackers when I was a kid |
| 21:06:43 | NetAmp | actually that's good, now I won't have to choose between a Z and an XScale thingy ;) |
| 21:06:50 | Speedy2 | ;) |
| 21:06:51 | NetAmp | (if that were even an issue) |
| 21:06:56 | NetAmp | ljp: lol ;) |
| 21:07:26 | NetAmp | anyway one would think 200Mhz.. err 206? should be quite enough :D |
| 21:07:47 | NetAmp | oh man... |
| 21:07:50 | Speedy2 | Yeah |
| 21:08:00 | NetAmp | not too many years ago that was still the speed of my desktop PC |
| 21:08:02 | NetAmp | gah |
| 21:08:03 | tboc | NetAmp: yeah, but with Qt you can't get enough CPU-power :P |
| 21:08:19 | NetAmp | tboc: you're absolutely right there ;) |
| 21:08:27 | Speedy2 | Well |
| 21:08:39 | Speedy2 | I'm thinking about hardware accelerating some of those things...just wonder how feasible it is. |
| 21:08:57 | XavierXeon | any computer could always be faster. I always have the fastest pc currently available pc at work and it is still to slow |
| 21:09:21 | tboc | Speedy2: what for? |
| 21:09:24 | NetAmp | XavierXeon: heh yeah... the software always needs more... |
| 21:09:25 | XavierXeon | one pc to much in that sentence |
| 21:09:33 | tboc | Speedy2: i bet it's not for that silly GUI? |
| 21:09:58 | Speedy2 | tboc: What, my idea of excellerating things? |
| 21:10:08 | tboc | yep |
| 21:10:15 | Speedy2 | tboc: You think it's silly? |
| 21:10:37 | tboc | Speedy2: at least if you just use it for the GUI of qtopia =) |
| 21:10:54 | Speedy2 | No |
| 21:11:04 | Speedy2 | I meant hardware sine/cosine, line drawing, etc. |
| 21:11:08 | Speedy2 | bitblitting, etc. |
| 21:11:23 | tboc | so you'd like to play Q2 or something like that? (= |
| 21:11:27 | Speedy2 | No |
| 21:11:37 | Speedy2 | But some things can benefit from it |
| 21:11:38 | tboc | but for games in general? |
| 21:11:41 | Speedy2 | No |
| 21:11:46 | Speedy2 | I meant for general things in general |
| 21:11:48 | tboc | then tell me please =) |
| 21:11:48 | Speedy2 | ;) |
| 21:11:52 | tboc | oh, ic ;) |
| 21:12:07 | Speedy2 | Get speed up and save power by not using CPU |
| 21:12:36 | NetAmp | that sounds almost too good ;) |
| 21:12:40 | tboc | btw. i think the CPU is fast enough for almost everything a 'normal' person wants to do with a _handheld_ |
| 21:12:43 | NetAmp | tell that to Sharp pleas :D |
| 21:12:45 | NetAmp | +e |
| 21:12:46 | Speedy2 | Yeah |
| 21:12:47 | NetAmp | heh |
| 21:12:47 | Speedy2 | Well |
| 21:12:52 | Speedy2 | They just need to h00k me up |
| 21:13:08 | Speedy2 | sigh...too shortsighted |
| 21:13:20 | tboc | Speedy2: hm? |
| 21:13:22 | Speedy2 | Nm |
| 21:14:19 | tboc | i just don't get it: you all use the bloated qt-crap but at the same time you want some sort of GPU - why not start with the easy things? |
| 21:14:27 | Speedy2 | Well |
| 21:14:36 | Speedy2 | What should one use instead of "bloated QT-crap" |
| 21:14:36 | Speedy2 | ? |
| 21:14:42 | Speedy2 | What alternative GUI exists? |
| 21:14:50 | Speedy2 | (that people are supporting with apps) |
| 21:15:00 | tboc | picogui is - as far as i can see - not that bad plus it's GPL |
| 21:15:03 | Speedy2 | ahh |
| 21:15:17 | tboc | ok, i have to admit that there are almost no aps atm |
| 21:15:24 | Speedy2 | I know scanline |
| 21:15:27 | Speedy2 | I know picoGUI |
| 21:15:42 | tboc | but i think you just can't port a 'desktop-GUI' to embedded and hope it's fast enough |
| 21:15:50 | Speedy2 | yeah |
| 21:16:21 | NetAmp | hey the speed isn't that bad |
| 21:16:23 | NetAmp | is it |
| 21:16:56 | NetAmp | especially not for a pocket device |
| 21:16:57 | tboc | btw. i don't know if picogui is much faster than QT but i think at least it would be possible for a company who charges for the software to do it better |
| 21:17:08 | Speedy2 | Who charges for the software? |
| 21:17:24 | Speedy2 | TrollTech free for non-commercial use. |
| 21:17:29 | tboc | hmm, i switched from my palm IIIxe to the zaurus because the palm was slow ... now what a surprise with the Z :/ |
| 21:17:41 | tboc | Speedy2: i don't think sharp got it for free ;) |
| 21:17:51 | Speedy2 | tboc: You find the Z too slow? |
| 21:17:57 | Speedy2 | I mean you find the GUI stuff too slow? |
| 21:18:02 | tboc | Speedy2: not everything - but some dialogs are |
| 21:18:05 | Speedy2 | hrm |
| 21:18:13 | Speedy2 | Maybe tell someone? Perhaps OpenZ is better? |
| 21:18:17 | tboc | Speedy2: opie-datebook for example |
| 21:18:18 | Speedy2 | (not trying to sound generic) |
| 21:18:24 | Speedy2 | Oh, you're using OZ |
| 21:18:25 | Speedy2 | hrm |
| 21:18:30 | Speedy2 | Tell me about Opie-Datebook |
| 21:18:43 | tboc | Speedy2: the edit-dialog for the appointments - it takes ~1sec to show you - just for a simple dialog |
| 21:18:53 | tboc | s/you/up |
| 21:19:16 | XavierXeon | i think it has to do with the xml parser used to read the data |
| 21:19:20 | tboc | and i thought i switched off the damn autocomplete *g* |
| 21:19:59 | tboc | XavierXeon: hmm... i don't think you'll have to read that much data for just a few categories etc. |
| 21:20:39 | XavierXeon | i did not look at the source, but if it reads the categories each time instead of cahing them ... |
| 21:20:49 | XavierXeon | caching |
| 21:21:54 | tboc | but the same thing appears with the addresbook - if you create a new entry the dialog shows up after >1sec |
| 21:22:07 | XavierXeon | it would make sense not to keep the data in memory, you don't have that much |
| 21:22:11 | tboc | and it just consists of ~20widgets |
| 21:22:26 | XavierXeon | same issue with the calender also an xml file |
| 21:23:21 | XavierXeon | anyway i do not use either calender nor addressbook often |
| 21:24:08 | tboc | hehe, and i thought that was the reason why many people buy handhelds :) |
| 21:24:21 | tboc | ok, i have to admit that i don't use them often, either |
| 21:24:23 | tboc | ;) |
| 21:24:52 | XavierXeon | i bought the Z to have a linux toy to carry around |
| 21:25:08 | Speedy2 | tboc: Yeah, that's not good sounding...what about software from TheKompany? |
| 21:25:09 | tboc | same with me *g* |
| 21:25:30 | tboc | Speedy2: i heard that it' even slower than the original apps cause of the new theme |
| 21:25:35 | Speedy2 | hrm |
| 21:25:45 | Speedy2 | Need to talk with Catalin / BigBoss |
| 21:25:57 | tboc | Speedy2: which is at the same time stolen - err copied err inspired by M$/apple ;) |
| 21:26:11 | XavierXeon | the improved the speed a bit with their latest release |
| 21:26:41 | tboc | Speedy2: but i appreciate that - it's always good to have some companies work on software for Z |
| 21:27:03 | tboc | XavierXeon: i can't tell because i've never used an application from them |
| 21:27:04 | Speedy2 | tboc: Well, talk with them, BigBoss is a very cool dude and if there is an issue, I'm sure they'll do their best to take care of it |
| 21:27:33 | tboc | Speedy2: hehe, i already did but he didn't agree to some of my statements ;) |
| 21:27:40 | Speedy2 | hrm |
| 21:27:56 | tboc | Speedy2: and after that discussion i don't think he'd take advices from me |
| 21:28:11 | Speedy2 | hrm |
| 21:28:16 | tboc | Speedy2: btw. i'm developing some stuff (just minor changes) for opie ... ;) |
| 21:28:23 | Speedy2 | Good! :) |
| 21:28:48 | NetAmp | wowy |
| 21:28:59 | NetAmp | that new LG titaniumInternet Refrigerator |
| 21:29:01 | NetAmp | is hot |
| 21:29:08 | NetAmp | err... cold.. well you know ;) |
| 21:29:27 | Cloud | sometimes one catches more files with honey than with vinegar |
| 21:29:44 | Cloud | mostly always |
| 21:29:50 | whardier | I AM THE GREAT POON! |
| 21:30:02 | NetAmp | hah, Internet Refrigerator |
| 21:30:19 | NetAmp | who would've thought that some years ago.. |
| 21:30:34 | tboc | NetAmp: the internet got a temperature? 8) |
| 21:30:37 | dupedagai | ummm anyone know the diff between php and php on zaurus? |
| 21:30:40 | NetAmp | oh well, nothing's too crazy anymore ;) |
| 21:31:11 | Speedy2 | yeah |
| 21:31:14 | Speedy2 | Apprently not |
| 21:31:27 | NetAmp | tboc: heh ;) who knows |
| 21:31:58 | tboc | NetAmp: maybe that's what the google-score of a page really represents ;) |
| 21:32:19 | NetAmp | haha |
| 21:32:24 | NetAmp | hm.. |
| 21:32:32 | NetAmp | how hot it is ;) |
| 21:32:34 | NetAmp | could be :P |
| 21:32:36 | dupedagai | so no one knows here ? |
| 21:32:39 | NetAmp | well |
| 21:32:45 | NetAmp | what difference could there be? |
| 21:32:57 | NetAmp | PHP rocks, on every platform ;) |
| 21:33:01 | Speedy2 | hah |
| 21:33:15 | NetAmp | (well that's my opinion) |
| 21:33:16 | whardier | heh |
| 21:33:17 | dupedagai | hmm specifics.. my program works on reg php and not on zaurus php |
| 21:33:18 | whardier | PHP+SQlite |
| 21:33:23 | whardier | those are my biznatches |
| 21:33:25 | NetAmp | oh well |
| 21:33:31 | NetAmp | dupedagai: maybe the libraries then |
| 21:33:35 | dupedagai | naw |
| 21:33:43 | dupedagai | i think it has to do with parameter |
| 21:33:48 | tboc | btw. anyone tried to use own images for localizer? |
| 21:33:50 | NetAmp | hmm... |
| 21:33:58 | dupedagai | maybe they do it the old way where it becoems a variable right away |
| 21:34:03 | NetAmp | dupedagai: what web server do you run on it? |
| 21:34:05 | dupedagai | and i test for teh _Get |
| 21:34:07 | dupedagai | apache |
| 21:34:09 | dupedagai | on zaurus |
| 21:34:13 | NetAmp | sweet! :D |
| 21:34:22 | dupedagai | crazy ey? |
| 21:34:28 | NetAmp | ohhh now I get it.. |
| 21:34:35 | NetAmp | at least I think |
| 21:34:43 | dupedagai | ok |
| 21:34:46 | NetAmp | you're using the latest version on your regular system? |
| 21:34:50 | dupedagai | yes |
| 21:34:58 | dupedagai | and then just copying over to z |
| 21:35:02 | dupedagai | no workie |
| 21:35:02 | NetAmp | hm yes that has new Global Var names indeed.. |
| 21:35:10 | dupedagai | but the z must not |
| 21:35:13 | XavierXeon | more localizer plans would be ccol |
| 21:35:15 | dupedagai | so i need to test for both |
| 21:35:36 | NetAmp | you probably need to use $HTTP_GET_VARS or something like that |
| 21:35:36 | whardier | is it only with irony that I code much faster w/ the matrix DVD playing? |
| 21:36:03 | whardier | I wonder what other Ironic accelerations I can play with.. |
| 21:36:34 | dupedagai | NetAmp can i do that? |
| 21:36:49 | dupedagai | i am jsp programer |
| 21:36:53 | NetAmp | dupedagai: I haven't tried that new stuff myself, but it's likely not backwards compatible |
| 21:37:09 | NetAmp | dupedagai: So in order to use it you need the same version on your Zaursu |
| 21:37:09 | dupedagai | yeah yeah |
| 21:37:15 | dupedagai | yeah |
| 21:37:15 | NetAmp | Zaurus |
| 21:37:20 | NetAmp | or change the config.. |
| 21:37:20 | dupedagai | need to do a phpinfo() |
| 21:37:24 | NetAmp | yeah :) |
| 21:37:32 | NetAmp | and check which vars you have... |
| 21:38:07 | dupedagai | vars? |
| 21:38:11 | NetAmp | variables |
| 21:38:14 | dupedagai | where is that in the php info.. let me bring it up |
| 21:38:21 | NetAmp | ok |
| 21:39:08 | dupedagai | ok its open where do i look? |
| 21:39:13 | NetAmp | most logical would seem the "PHP Variables" section |
| 21:39:18 | NetAmp | that is almost at the bottom |
| 21:39:43 | dupedagai | ok i see the php vars |
| 21:40:08 | dupedagai | what i look 4? |
| 21:40:19 | NetAmp | which version is it? I'm looking at Version 4.1.2 right now |
| 21:40:30 | dupedagai | 4.0.5 |
| 21:40:57 | NetAmp | I see variables like _SERVER["DOCUMENT_ROOT"] |
| 21:41:05 | NetAmp | you have those too? |
| 21:41:14 | NetAmp | right below PHP_SELF |
| 21:41:21 | dupedagai | yes |
| 21:41:28 | whardier | can dodge bullets |
| 21:41:32 | dupedagai | argv |
| 21:41:38 | NetAmp | whardier Matrix style ;) |
| 21:41:43 | whardier | actually |
| 21:41:44 | dupedagai | array |
| 21:41:45 | whardier | I don't have too |
| 21:41:51 | whardier | runs around in circles |
| 21:41:54 | NetAmp | dupedagai: well maybe you should compare the 2 phpinfo's |
| 21:42:02 | dupedagai | yeah' |
| 21:42:03 | dupedagai | ok |
| 21:42:31 | NetAmp | and adjust your programs so it can work on both.. |
| 21:42:33 | dupedagai | gonna try a test too |
| 21:42:35 | NetAmp | (or upgrade php) |
| 21:42:42 | dupedagai | cant upgrade |
| 21:42:51 | dupedagai | its kinda werid |
| 21:42:54 | dupedagai | need to downgrade! |
| 21:42:55 | dupedagai | heh |
| 21:43:01 | NetAmp | hehe |
| 21:43:08 | NetAmp | yeah that's a way too.. |
| 21:46:45 | dupedagai | crap thats it |
| 21:46:52 | dupedagai | damn _get messed me up |
| 21:47:01 | dupedagai | so now i need to get them first! |
| 21:47:03 | dupedagai | darmnit |
| 21:47:21 | dupedagai | i finished the program.. now i have to chang eit |
| 21:48:09 | NetAmp | :| |
| 21:48:25 | dupedagai | hey how can you test to see if a varible exists.... |
| 21:48:34 | dupedagai | liek if($var!=null) |
| 21:48:42 | NetAmp | (you could probably replace $_GET with $HTTP_GET_VARS) |
| 21:48:44 | NetAmp | well |
| 21:48:48 | dupedagai | that wont give error if the $var has never been talked about right? |
| 21:48:51 | NetAmp | there's a function called isset() |
| 21:49:00 | dupedagai | ok |
| 21:49:02 | NetAmp | if( isset($var) ) |
| 21:49:16 | dupedagai | is HTTP_GET_VARS same as _GET? |
| 21:49:25 | NetAmp | I believe so |
| 21:49:28 | dupedagai | like _GET['blak'} |
| 21:49:31 | dupedagai | like _GET['blak'] |
| 21:49:49 | NetAmp | $HTTP_GET_VARS['blak'] |
| 21:49:56 | dupedagai | kewl let me try that |
| 21:49:58 | dupedagai | thanks |
| 21:49:59 | NetAmp | but |
| 21:50:02 | dupedagai | but? |
| 21:50:07 | NetAmp | you are using a $ in front of _GET |
| 21:50:09 | NetAmp | aren't you? |
| 21:50:14 | dupedagai | yeah |
| 21:50:16 | dupedagai | sorry |
| 21:50:22 | NetAmp | oh ok that was kinda confusing me ;) |
| 21:50:23 | NetAmp | no problem.. |
| 21:50:24 | dupedagai | heh... |
| 21:50:29 | dupedagai | thanks let me try |
| 21:50:34 | NetAmp | :) |
| 21:50:34 | dupedagai | i will grep thu and replace |
| 21:51:19 | dupedagai | heh 60 occurances |
| 21:51:45 | NetAmp | ;-) |
| 21:51:56 | Speedy2 | sex is probably updatedb; locate blonde; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; ipkg install condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; ipkg remove condom; make clean; sleep |
| 21:52:55 | NetAmp | wahaha |
| 21:52:57 | dupedagai | ok.. worked on new version of php |
| 21:53:01 | dupedagai | now test the z |
| 21:54:19 | dupedagai | netamp you are my savior! |
| 21:54:24 | NetAmp | hah |
| 21:54:26 | dupedagai | one grep fixed the entire program! |
| 21:54:35 | NetAmp | no problem helping a fellow php coder ;) |
| 21:54:41 | dupedagai | heh |
| 21:54:45 | dupedagai | or jsp programmmer trying php |
| 21:55:06 | NetAmp | hm... I had to make a database connection with JSP |
| 21:55:10 | NetAmp | (for college) |
| 21:55:19 | dupedagai | jsp and php are very close |
| 21:55:30 | dupedagai | similair |
| 21:55:41 | dupedagai | jdbc is very nice tho |
| 21:55:57 | NetAmp | yeah I guess so... |
| 21:56:13 | dupedagai | anyway... NetAmp: one more question on HTML..... i wana make the text in my textboxes larger is this possible>? |
| 21:56:20 | NetAmp | yeah |
| 21:56:28 | NetAmp | you can use Style Sheets (CSS) |
| 21:56:28 | dupedagai | how |
| 21:56:30 | dupedagai | yeah |
| 21:56:39 | dupedagai | what do i use to make it larger? |
| 21:56:44 | dupedagai | i have a style sheet |
| 21:57:03 | NetAmp | like input { font-family:Arial; font-size:20pt } |
| 21:57:11 | NetAmp | or you could use a class |
| 21:57:30 | NetAmp | like .text1 { font-size: 24pt } |
| 21:57:49 | NetAmp | and then in your HTML code use <input type="text" class="text1"> |
| 21:57:51 | NetAmp | :) |
| 21:58:19 | dupedagai | i thought i tried that |
| 21:58:21 | NetAmp | depends on whether you want to change it for all INPUT components |
| 21:58:22 | dupedagai | i will try agian |
| 21:58:42 | dupedagai | i do for all inputs |
| 21:58:52 | dupedagai | so iw ill try the input |
| 21:59:00 | NetAmp | ok : |
| 21:59:01 | NetAmp | :) |
| 21:59:23 | dupedagai | input { font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 18px} trying this |
| 21:59:40 | NetAmp | that should work.. |
| 21:59:58 | dupedagai | yeah it does on regular ie |
| 22:00:06 | dupedagai | now trying on z opera |
| 22:00:18 | NetAmp | ah, that's another story ;) |
| 22:00:24 | dupedagai | :) |
| 22:00:40 | NetAmp | but I thought I read that it's compatible with at least CSS2 |
| 22:00:50 | NetAmp | so it should work I guess... |
| 22:01:09 | dupedagai | nope |
| 22:01:11 | NetAmp | :( |
| 22:01:15 | dupedagai | damn :) |
| 22:01:46 | NetAmp | have you tried changing other styles? |
| 22:01:49 | NetAmp | like the BODY |
| 22:02:05 | dupedagai | yeah some things work |
| 22:02:09 | dupedagai | like td |
| 22:02:43 | dupedagai | wait its working |
| 22:02:47 | dupedagai | darn refreshin! |
| 22:03:00 | NetAmp | :) |
| 22:03:08 | dupedagai | wo hoo |
| 22:03:13 | NetAmp | way2go |
| 22:03:17 | dupedagai | no you |
| 22:03:19 | dupedagai | thanks man |
| 22:03:24 | dupedagai | i love irc |
| 22:03:28 | NetAmp | no problem :) |
| 22:03:36 | whardier | heh |
| 22:03:40 | NetAmp | hah |
| 22:04:19 | dupedagai | i use it all the darn time |
| 22:04:22 | dupedagai | at work |
| 22:04:34 | NetAmp | I'm here way too often... even though I don't own a Z yet |
| 22:04:36 | dupedagai | specially the opensource irc channesl |
| 22:04:45 | NetAmp | (since they are not for sale yet in the Netherlands) |
| 22:04:48 | dupedagai | they got me one at work |
| 22:05:00 | NetAmp | wow I want a job like that ;) |
| 22:05:04 | dupedagai | they just got bluetooth and camera atachments too |
| 22:05:10 | NetAmp | sweet |
| 22:05:14 | whardier | dupedagai you suck |
| 22:05:15 | dupedagai | yeah |
| 22:05:18 | dupedagai | heh |
| 22:05:18 | NetAmp | hah |
| 22:05:21 | NetAmp | *lol* |
| 22:05:30 | dupedagai | well |
| 22:05:45 | dupedagai | they deal with palms and i said... we use linux for most things.. why not on pda's |
| 22:05:55 | dupedagai | so i convinced them to get two and now they LOVE THEM |
| 22:06:02 | whardier | heh |
| 22:06:05 | whardier | amazing how you still suck |
| 22:06:14 | dupedagai | heh |
| 22:06:17 | dupedagai | sorry i will shaddup |
| 22:06:19 | NetAmp | ;-) |
| 22:06:22 | whardier | no excuse can stop the amount of suck you have acheived here |
| 22:06:33 | dupedagai | i am dumb? |
| 22:06:33 | whardier | hehehe |
| 22:06:42 | dupedagai | i have to give it back |
| 22:06:46 | whardier | dupedagai no you are smart for duping your employers |
| 22:06:48 | dupedagai | eventually |
| 22:07:02 | whardier | hmm |
| 22:07:07 | dupedagai | heh |
| 22:07:12 | whardier | is thinking I have to hack the matrix to get a national streets database |
| 22:07:18 | NetAmp | ;-) |
| 22:07:54 | whardier | Apoch is one ugly bitch |
| 22:07:58 | NetAmp | would like a matrix screensaver on the Z ;) |
| 22:08:04 | dupedagai | yeah! |
| 22:08:14 | dupedagai | well that would use up battery |
| 22:08:22 | NetAmp | yeah but still :D |
| 22:08:34 | whardier | use the SDL one |
| 22:08:57 | dupedagai | sdL? |
| 22:09:04 | whardier | SdL! |
| 22:09:27 | dupedagai | what that is? |
| 22:10:17 | whardier | www.libsdl.org |
| 22:11:43 | NetAmp | I have one for console mode somewhere.. |
| 22:11:50 | NetAmp | (with a Matrix style font) |
| 22:12:00 | NetAmp | but the graphical one should look even cooler ;) |
| 22:12:40 | XavierXeon|Z | damn ! does it happen to others that sometimes konqueror embedded kills qtopia ? |
| 22:13:13 | dupedagai | still what is sdl |
| 22:13:14 | dupedagai | heh |
| 22:14:02 | ljp | whats qtopia? |
| 22:14:13 | NetAmp | who's john doe? |
| 22:14:25 | NetAmp | let's play Jeopardy while we're at it :P |
| 22:14:36 | NetAmp | or Celebrity Jeopardy even ;) |
| 22:14:43 | | i don't know, ljp |
| 22:14:43 | ljp | ibot: who's in jeopardy |
| 22:14:47 | dupedagai | shaddup ljp |
| 22:15:03 | XavierXeon|Z | qtopia is utopian attempt to be better than opie |
| 22:15:12 | NetAmp | heh |
| 22:15:24 | XavierXeon|Z | i think i will flah back to OZ tomorrow |
| 22:15:24 | NetAmp | nothing's better than opie :P |
| 22:15:30 | NetAmp | (cuz opie has Pingizauru) |
| 22:16:41 | XavierXeon|Z | did you know that opie means grandpa in german ? |
| 22:18:20 | NetAmp | gheheh ;) |
| 22:18:33 | ljp | aahhh.. thats why kids in german are beggin for stuffed pingizaurus |
| 22:18:37 | NetAmp | or what about opium |
| 22:22:38 | XavierXeon|Z | ljp : exactly |
| 22:22:53 | NetAmp | whoa! |
| 22:23:05 | NetAmp | I just love Wacom's new tablet screen |
| 22:23:06 | NetAmp | http://www.wacom.com/lcdtablets/index_18sx.cfm |
| 22:23:09 | NetAmp | drewls |
| 22:23:16 | W|GGL|T | latest OZ is still beta 10? |
| 22:24:47 | W|GGL|T | yeah |
| 22:24:50 | W|GGL|T | 3 beta 10 |
| 22:27:39 | dupedagai | bblater .. thanks yall |
| 22:35:22 | Speedy2 | bbl allllllllllllll |
| 22:39:56 | NetAmp | hah, actually it's quite amusing, the discussion on XScale PocketPC's |
| 22:39:58 | NetAmp | (http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1772) |
| 22:40:10 | NetAmp | Microsoft: "We are aware that PXA250 (XScale)-based devices are not demonstrating the huge performance gains that were anticipated. That said, Pocket PCs continue to offer the best performance and the richest functionality vs. other handhelds on the market today." |
| 22:40:17 | NetAmp | Translation: |
| 22:40:17 | NetAmp | We know your new car only goes 40mph instead of the 65mph you old car did, but it beats a bicycle, doesn't it? |
| 22:40:22 | NetAmp | hah ;) |
| 22:40:28 | Cloud | lol |
| 22:40:29 | NetAmp | it's real bad though... |
| 22:41:02 | NetAmp | customers who thought it'd be quite a bit faster, are being scr*wed this way |
| 22:41:04 | NetAmp | oh well.. |
| 22:44:13 | Cloud | what are xscale ppc's? i've not been keeping up |
| 22:44:18 | Cloud | since i don't want a ppc |
| 22:44:22 | NetAmp | hahaha |
| 22:44:26 | NetAmp | me neither :P |
| 22:44:39 | NetAmp | well XScale is a new type of processor |
| 22:44:44 | Cloud | i'm very happy overall with my z |
| 22:44:56 | W|GGL|T | ditto |
| 22:45:15 | NetAmp | you use it much for PIM stuff? |
| 22:45:22 | Cloud | a bit |
| 22:45:26 | W|GGL|T | that's about ALL i use mine for |
| 22:45:28 | Cloud | i don't have a ton of contacts |
| 22:45:36 | Cloud | but enough so i need the list |
| 22:45:46 | Cloud | and i use calendar a bit |
| 22:45:53 | NetAmp | or more like a toy :) |
| 22:46:01 | Cloud | both |
| 22:46:01 | NetAmp | heh |
| 22:46:02 | W|GGL|T | both |
| 22:46:06 | W|GGL|T | hehe |
| 22:46:10 | Cloud | i have notes for work on it |
| 22:46:21 | Cloud | but the saving web pages is a problem |
| 22:46:22 | NetAmp | hm I guess I will too... don't know if I will drop my paper agenda |
| 22:46:40 | NetAmp | 'cause that will not loose data (except when I rip a page out of it ;-) |
| 22:46:42 | Cloud | and the synch program is a program |
| 22:46:48 | Cloud | er problem |
| 22:46:52 | W|GGL|T | i use my Visor still though |
| 22:47:01 | Cloud | ah i dont have any other one |
| 22:47:11 | Cloud | i had a jornada 660lx that i used alot |
| 22:47:14 | Cloud | but it died |
| 22:47:15 | W|GGL|T | getting it to sync will take a bit of time |
| 22:47:29 | W|GGL|T | ive a visor, the Zaurus and an Agenda VR3 |
| 22:47:30 | Cloud | and unfortunately the z is falling a bit short |
| 22:47:42 | Cloud | the serial cable is a big problem |
| 22:47:50 | W|GGL|T | aggg |
| 22:47:55 | W|GGL|T | oops |
| 22:47:57 | NetAmp | well XScale was assumed to be twice as fast (though that's probably a bit unreasonable), but now it appears to be not much faster |
| 22:47:59 | W|GGL|T | that is, ahhh |
| 22:48:12 | Cloud | is it processor or software? |
| 22:48:22 | NetAmp | it's a processor, from Intel |
| 22:48:33 | NetAmp | like the current StrongARM that's in the Zaurus |
| 22:48:34 | Cloud | that one that was supposed to be 400 mhz? |
| 22:48:38 | NetAmp | yeah, 400 |
| 22:48:58 | Cloud | ah i did read alittle bout that but haven't been keeping up on it |
| 22:49:11 | NetAmp | But it's not. At least, not with Microsoft's OS |
| 22:49:14 | Cloud | hmm |
| 22:50:23 | NetAmp | So I guess I'll be off checking out a Z in a few weeks ;) |
| 22:50:40 | Cloud | going to..england? |
| 22:50:43 | NetAmp | as soon as the Sharp Netherlands people are so kind as to E-mail me |
| 22:51:00 | Cloud | ah |
| 22:51:07 | NetAmp | England? nah... I'll go there in September |
| 22:51:09 | Cloud | they will be going on sale in netherlands? |
| 22:51:17 | NetAmp | but I hope they'll be for sale here earlier. |
| 22:51:20 | whardier | does the money dance |
| 22:51:20 | Cloud | hehe i knew you said you were but can't remember when |
| 22:51:32 | NetAmp | That was what the representative said anyway... july/august |
| 22:51:39 | Cloud | is it working Whardier? |
| 22:51:42 | W|GGL|T | 400mhz strongARM? |
| 22:51:43 | Cloud | the money dance |
| 22:51:52 | whardier | Cloud hehe.. ever seen the 5th element :P |
| 22:51:55 | whardier | the money dance? |
| 22:51:59 | Cloud | nope |
| 22:52:07 | whardier | Gimme da caasshhhhhhhh |
| 22:52:16 | W|GGL|T | that movie rocked! |
| 22:52:19 | NetAmp | Tell me if it works, I'll start dancing immediately ;) |
| 22:52:20 | W|GGL|T | chris tucker |
| 22:52:20 | W|GGL|T | hehe |
| 22:53:45 | NetAmp | *ZZzzz* |
| 22:54:04 | whardier | pops in the 5th element |
| 22:54:08 | whardier | goood ambient |
| 22:54:10 | ljp | is the money dance anything like the rock lobster? |
| 22:54:20 | whardier | what the fuck is a rock lobster? |
| 22:54:25 | whardier | I keep hearing that |
| 22:54:27 | ljp | b52's |
| 22:54:35 | ljp | rock lobster |
| 22:54:39 | whardier | wan't me to encode the money dance? |
| 22:54:42 | whardier | so you all can see? |
| 22:54:48 | ljp | no |
| 22:55:50 | NetAmp | I gotta get some sleep... have to catch a train in the morning.. |
| 22:55:53 | NetAmp | have a nice day folks! |
| 22:55:59 | W|GGL|T | later |
| 22:56:04 | NetAmp | l8r :) |
| 22:56:04 | Cloud | bye |
| 23:05:07 | wembly | is there anyway to flash the zaurus to oz without a cf card? |
| 23:05:14 | wembly | and what is this cf ultra card i see? |
| 23:05:19 | wembly | is that just a brand or some marketing thing? |
| 23:05:22 | wembly | or is that something speical? |
| 23:05:35 | whardier | do you wear a tenchcoat? |
| 23:06:00 | wembly | me? no |
| 23:06:01 | wembly | whyfor? |
| 23:06:05 | whardier | can flash a lot of things w/o CF |
| 23:06:10 | SirPsycho-home | what is the minimum size CF to flash? |
| 23:06:14 | whardier | as long as I have my trenchcoat |
| 23:06:26 | whardier | SirPsycho-home 32 megs |
| 23:06:39 | whardier | otherwise you cannot fit the 16 meg romimages (sharp stuff) on the filesystem on it |
| 23:06:53 | whardier | but you can use 16 megs to flash OZ because it is not 16 megs large |
| 23:07:09 | whardier | I really think they should have made a filesystemless flash |
| 23:09:27 | ljp | huh? |
| 23:09:40 | ljp | raw mode filesystem? |
| 23:09:44 | whardier | no filesystem |
| 23:09:51 | whardier | for the flashing procedure |
| 23:10:04 | whardier | the filesystem on a 16 meg CF takes up space |
| 23:10:08 | whardier | so you cannot fit a 16 meg file on it |
| 23:12:55 | ljp | and you only have a 16 mb cf? |
| 23:13:44 | whardier | ljp no |
| 23:13:54 | whardier | I have a 32 meg flash |
| 23:14:00 | ljp | I need a new hd |
| 23:14:05 | whardier | I need a gf |
| 23:14:23 | ljp | I'd take a gf with a hd |
| 23:14:26 | Cloud | lol |
| 23:14:31 | whardier | heh |
| 23:14:55 | ljp | need someplace to do knoppix experiments |
| 23:16:38 | Cloud | that looks interesting |
| 23:16:48 | Cloud | i have an old laptop.. wonder if it would work on that |
| 23:16:59 | whardier | knoppix? |
| 23:17:05 | ljp | sure why not |
| 23:17:13 | ljp | http://www.knoppix.de |
| 23:17:26 | Cloud | i'm at the english site |
| 23:17:37 | whardier | where the hell is the english site! |
| 23:17:41 | ljp | customized with an Open Palmtop Integrated Environment sdk |
| 23:17:46 | Cloud | http://www.knopper.net/knoppix/index-en.html |
| 23:18:15 | whardier | heh |
| 23:18:18 | whardier | I geddit |
| 23:18:29 | whardier | thats cooky |
| 23:18:35 | whardier | how does it store writes? |
| 23:18:44 | ljp | I dunnoo.. |
| 23:18:50 | ljp | whereever it wants |
| 23:18:54 | whardier | well |
| 23:18:56 | whardier | not on the cd |
| 23:18:57 | whardier | hehe |
| 23:19:03 | ljp | ram or harddrive |
| 23:19:03 | Cloud | no it needs a hard drive |
| 23:19:09 | whardier | well |
| 23:19:23 | whardier | you could always loop mount an image on the win32 partition for demos |
| 23:20:33 | ljp | win32? |
| 23:42:32 | Cloud | - |
| 23:46:03 | ljp | anyone used nas before? |
| 23:47:35 | Cloud | not me |
| 23:50:05 | Cloud | hmm /mnt/card not available |
| 23:50:10 | Cloud | cries |
| 23:51:30 | Cloud | in tkc explorer it says my sd card is not avaiable |
| 23:52:01 | Cloud | it was earlier |
| 23:52:59 | Cloud | and i can play songs off of it |
| 23:53:48 | ljp | hmmm |
| 23:54:36 | Cloud | guess i'll do the old windows standby and restart the z |
| 23:57:32 | Cloud | yep that did the trick |
| 23:57:44 | Cloud | frowns |
| 23:58:11 | ljp | could have tried just restarting qtopia |
| 23:58:40 | Cloud | ok i'll try that next time |
| 23:59:29 | VerxHome | hrm |
| 23:59:31 | VerxHome | msmax isn't here |
| 23:59:34 | VerxHome | neither is bigboss |
| 23:59:36 | ljp | I wanna telecommute from here-: http://news.ai/ |
| 23:59:40 | VerxHome | anyone from thekompany on today? |
