| 00:01:38 | ljp | funny thing is ogg and oog appeared about the same time |
| 00:01:55 | whardier | oooog! |
| 00:01:59 | whardier | maybe they should form |
| 00:02:04 | whardier | and make O)GG |
| 00:02:07 | whardier | and make OOGG |
| 00:02:39 | ljp | whardier: did you get NAS running on the z? |
| 00:05:56 | tharin | anyone know how to stop your search in lynx? |
| 00:19:25 | BZFlag | kergoth`gone: how's 2.4.18 ? |
| 00:19:55 | tharin | I am having trouble setting up my mail client... I have the internet working and my e-mail setup is identical to my outlook setup but I can't get e-mail...? |
| 00:20:21 | NoRemorse | ljp u there? |
| 00:20:23 | tharin | host not found |
| 00:21:57 | Cloud | are you using dhcp or static? |
| 00:23:38 | Cloud | nm you're getting to web pages and all right? |
| 00:36:57 | tharin | yes |
| 00:37:01 | tharin | webpages just fine |
| 00:37:57 | Cloud | hmm.. mine was fairly easy |
| 00:38:15 | Cloud | pop mail.. |
| 00:38:21 | whardier | KACKA! |
| 00:38:50 | Cloud | whats the matter whardier? |
| 00:39:02 | whardier | nothin really |
| 00:39:07 | whardier | the fact that I missed the simpsons? |
| 00:39:11 | Cloud | hehe |
| 00:39:17 | Cloud | he.. i have question for you |
| 00:39:22 | whardier | is merging cow files |
| 00:39:26 | whardier | whats new? |
| 00:39:34 | Cloud | i need to shut off logging for kismet |
| 00:39:39 | Cloud | not quite sure how.. |
| 00:39:46 | whardier | under the Z? |
| 00:39:54 | Cloud | yep |
| 00:39:58 | Cloud | in the kismet.conf |
| 00:39:59 | whardier | you might have to kill the prism2_monitor |
| 00:40:01 | whardier | oh |
| 00:40:02 | whardier | that part |
| 00:40:04 | whardier | I dunno |
| 00:40:22 | whardier | maybe set the logging dir to /dev/null ? |
| 00:40:22 | whardier | hah |
| 00:40:27 | whardier | I don't think that works |
| 00:42:05 | tharin | any irc program for the Z? |
| 00:42:57 | SirPsycho | yup |
| 00:43:00 | whardier | telnet |
| 00:43:04 | Cloud | yes zic or tkcjabber |
| 00:43:22 | Cloud | whardier: how bout if i comment out this line: |
| 00:43:49 | Cloud | logtypes=dum,network,csv,xml,weak,cisco |
| 00:44:15 | whardier | just make that "logtypes=" |
| 00:45:12 | Cloud | and have nothing after = ? |
| 00:52:44 | alphablue | anyone tried qtopia 1.5 ? |
| 00:55:11 | alphablue | for windows ? |
| 00:57:30 | NoRemorse | ljp |
| 00:57:48 | NoRemorse | anyone use opieplayer? |
| 00:58:02 | ljp | hmm |
| 00:58:24 | whardier | That 70's show! |
| 00:58:28 | whardier | oooh happy |
| 00:59:21 | NoRemorse | ljp what am i doing wrong, i type a urlto a mp3 and it says no apprpriate decoders |
| 00:59:37 | NoRemorse | whardier that chick is so hot |
| 00:59:39 | alphablue | i'm getting an error message saying msvcrtd.dll not found |
| 00:59:56 | ljp | do yo uhave libmadplugin installed? |
| 01:00:08 | NoRemorse | nope! |
| 01:00:22 | ljp | :D |
| 01:00:37 | alphablue | u guys have openzaurus working with linux and qtopia ? |
| 01:00:56 | W|GGL|T | i did, until i removed OZ |
| 01:01:47 | ljp | opie is on openzaurus instead of qtopia |
| 01:03:45 | NoRemorse | thanks ljp, worked! |
| 01:05:00 | ljp | :D |
| 01:06:42 | alphablue | ljp.. then how do i sync with desktop ? |
| 01:06:48 | alphablue | opie is a desktop app ? |
| 01:07:53 | NoRemorse | ljp how far have u got with %20? i assume the fix will need to be in libmad |
| 01:12:25 | ljp | opie is not a desktop app, but neither is qtopia... you must mean qtopiadesktop |
| 01:12:42 | ljp | NoRemorse: I've been busy with other things.. will get to it, tho |
| 01:13:10 | [DrEvil] | finally |
| 01:13:16 | [DrEvil] | this media card reader works |
| 01:13:36 | alphablue | ljp, yea sorry |
| 01:14:10 | alphablue | how would i sync ? with the latest version of qtopiadesktop ? |
| 01:17:47 | ljp | ya |
| 01:18:18 | alphablue | ok i get a problem with qtopiadesktop 1.5 for windows, i downloaded from qtopia's site. |
| 01:18:44 | alphablue | says msvcrtd.dll cannot be found |
| 01:24:23 | ljp | ya.. I got that error, also. fortunately, I am a developer with that debugging version of msvcrtd.dll |
| 01:24:43 | ljp | email trolltech and tell them.. |
| 01:25:02 | ljp | I alerted them of that problem months ago... |
| 01:25:19 | ljp | *sigh* |
| 01:26:21 | [MiniMe] | :'( |
| 01:26:34 | Speedy2 | re |
| 01:28:08 | alphablue | ok |
| 01:28:10 | alphablue | cool thanks |
| 01:28:28 | alphablue | i'm screwed till then ? |
| 01:30:06 | ljp | I'll send them another email via their mailing list about it |
| 01:31:10 | alphablue | k, it's not even on their faq |
| 01:34:49 | ljp | nor would it be.. they shouldn't have that dependency on a debugging dll thats not distributed with windows |
| 01:36:18 | alphablue | ahh |
| 01:36:24 | alphablue | so they screwed the build |
| 01:36:48 | alphablue | any chance u can send me that dll ? if i ask with a cherry on top ? |
| 01:36:49 | alphablue | :) |
| 01:37:03 | BigBoss | we had the same problem with one application for that DLL, it's a tough one to remember since it is on all the developer machines |
| 01:37:11 | BigBoss | TT screwed up making the installer though |
| 01:37:15 | BigBoss | took us an hour to fix ours |
| 01:37:32 | alphablue | hmm |
| 01:37:39 | alphablue | i think i'll try to get it to work in linux |
| 01:37:45 | alphablue | time for food first. |
| 01:38:08 | ljp | ya.. I would have found it except I had just reinstalled win2k, and hadn't yet installed vc++ when I installed qtopaidekstop |
| 01:38:19 | ljp | wouldn't have |
| 01:39:29 | ljp | alphaL let me see if I am able to distribute that dll |
| 01:41:17 | alphablue | cool, i'll be back in 30 min. goin to get some food. |
| 01:45:53 | NoRemorse | hrmm qmame wont compile |
| 02:00:26 | | mark is mailto:mark@houseoffish.org, a dormant opie developer :) |
| 02:00:26 | warmi | ibot mark |
| 02:00:31 | warmi | hi |
| 02:03:06 | | mark was last seen on #zaurus 5 hours, 3 minutes and 43 seconds ago, saying: yep, :( [Tue Jun 18 21:59:23 2002] |
| 02:03:06 | warmi | ibot seen mark |
| 02:06:32 | warmi | anyone has a problem with new zauruszone.com being almost unreadable on mozzila on Linux ( extremely small fonts and no amount of messing around with mozzila fonts settings seem to make any difference) ? |
| 02:06:58 | ljp | you can get it? |
| 02:07:03 | ljp | err in I mean |
| 02:07:24 | warmi | I can get in |
| 02:07:52 | warmi | but the fonts are so small I can't read anything |
| 02:08:00 | warmi | it works on old Netscape though |
| 02:08:04 | ljp | hmm you can read posts? |
| 02:08:07 | warmi | I just will use that for now |
| 02:08:29 | warmi | yeah, I can |
| 02:08:41 | warmi | crap , I thought it worked on NEtscape but it doesn't |
| 02:08:48 | warmi | last option - konequeror |
| 02:08:48 | ljp | I always get 'no topics found |
| 02:09:02 | warmi | I remember CloudChaser was having similar problem |
| 02:09:49 | ljp | ahhh ok.. I had to start from zz.com, instead of my link |
| 02:09:58 | warmi | konqueror works great ! |
| 02:10:14 | warmi | this what I mean when I say Linux desktop sucks :-) |
| 02:10:41 | warmi | zz.com |
| 02:10:41 | warmi | ? |
| 02:10:54 | warmi | oh zauruszone.com |
| 02:10:55 | warmi | hehe |
| 02:10:59 | warmi | I actually went to zz.com |
| 02:12:40 | Speedy2 | re |
| 02:12:53 | Speedy2 | Linux desktops do suck.... |
| 02:13:23 | treke|home | what! What! WHAT! |
| 02:13:52 | treke|home | thems fightin words boy |
| 02:14:17 | Speedy2 | No |
| 02:14:18 | ljp | operator error |
| 02:14:41 | warmi | wtf is wrong with mozilla , under "proportional fonts " selection box I can only select two fonts despite the fact that I have around 50 (ttf) installed |
| 02:14:53 | treke|home | bad ram |
| 02:15:41 | warmi | at least konqueror works fine |
| 02:17:20 | warmi | somebody on zauruszone.com is asking for mesa for the Zaurus |
| 02:17:34 | warmi | a frigging star from the sky will surely be next |
| 02:17:35 | treke|home | must be a masochist |
| 02:18:45 | warmi | another dude is "looking forward to Enlightenment on my Z" .. gee |
| 02:18:46 | Speedy2 | warmi: Hah |
| 02:18:57 | Speedy2 | warmi: Agreed |
| 02:21:03 | warmi | actually, as I understand , some of the newer PocketPC devices do have some sort of hardware acceleration built in for the framebuffer .. |
| 02:21:20 | warmi | on a device like that OpenGL could run quite well |
| 02:21:42 | warmi | I mean not Nvidia on desktop style well but reasonably well |
| 02:21:50 | [DrEvil] | Sony has hardware acceleration on their Palm Devices |
| 02:22:54 | warmi | oh well, screw that ... we can catch up with them with a bit of ARM asm .. |
| 02:22:56 | warmi | hehe |
| 02:23:51 | warmi | Speedy2: you are asm and low level hardware type of guy , right ? |
| 02:24:26 | [DrEvil] | someone tell me where I can get a kernel patch |
| 02:24:35 | [DrEvil] | diff-2.4.6-rmk1-np2 |
| 02:29:46 | Speedy2 | warmi: ASM, C and hardware, yes |
| 02:30:09 | Speedy2 | warmi: What's up? |
| 02:30:11 | warmi | are you working with embedded stuff ? |
| 02:30:14 | Speedy2 | Yes |
| 02:30:18 | Speedy2 | h@rdc0r3 |
| 02:30:29 | warmi | right, yeah .. I think we have talked about it before |
| 02:30:33 | Speedy2 | Yes ; |
| 02:30:34 | Speedy2 | ;) |
| 02:30:35 | ljp | he wants you to write an accelerator for the framebuffer |
| 02:30:39 | Speedy2 | hrm |
| 02:30:45 | Speedy2 | would need to analyze it |
| 02:31:08 | Speedy2 | SA LCD controller is a bit weird and does have some demanding needs |
| 02:31:16 | warmi | well, I am actually in process of writing one (slowly) .. not an accelerator but just a class for blitting in ASM |
| 02:31:36 | warmi | I don't plan to try to synch with refresh or anything like that |
| 02:31:40 | warmi | just a simple blit |
| 02:31:43 | Speedy2 | ah |
| 02:31:49 | Speedy2 | want some hardware to help? |
| 02:31:50 | Speedy2 | Heh |
| 02:31:51 | Speedy2 | ;) |
| 02:31:56 | warmi | what do you mean ? |
| 02:32:14 | warmi | the only hardware that can help me on Z is ARM CPU itself :-) |
| 02:32:20 | Speedy2 | Just wondering if you want me to design some l33t hardware |
| 02:32:21 | warmi | at least to the best of my knowledge |
| 02:32:24 | Speedy2 | Not necc. true |
| 02:32:33 | Speedy2 | Could stuff in a CF "accelerator" card |
| 02:32:41 | Speedy2 | Since CF hooks directly to processor bus |
| 02:33:06 | slumpy | hi |
| 02:33:10 | MrMeanor | hi |
| 02:33:15 | slumpy | sup? |
| 02:33:16 | Speedy2 | Unfortunetly, no DMA via CF nor can you have 32-bit access to CF. |
| 02:33:34 | MrMeanor | i have a question |
| 02:33:42 | Speedy2 | How do Charlie's Angels " |
| 02:33:45 | Speedy2 | get down" like that? |
| 02:33:51 | warmi | with ARM CPU you can get wider than 32 bit .. as wide as 320 bit with one instruction |
| 02:33:58 | Speedy2 | warmi: Well |
| 02:34:08 | Speedy2 | warmi: You can't get 32-bit hardware access to CF port |
| 02:34:18 | warmi | I mean to the framebuffer |
| 02:34:21 | Speedy2 | You could if they routed the data lines there, but they didn't, so the point is moot |
| 02:34:22 | warmi | not CF port |
| 02:34:28 | MrMeanor | i have a sl-55000 and i was playing with cat in the console and i can't get out of it, cause on my desktop i would use ctrl + d but there's no ctrl key on my zaurus |
| 02:34:35 | Speedy2 | warmi: Well, LCD controller is integrated on-board CPU... |
| 02:34:51 | warmi | MrMeanor: cats can be vicious |
| 02:34:53 | warmi | heh |
| 02:34:56 | warmi | hold on |
| 02:35:09 | | icefox: i'm not following you... |
| 02:35:09 | icefox | ibot kde3.1 |
| 02:35:14 | | icefox: sorry... |
| 02:35:14 | icefox | ibot 3.1 |
| 02:35:18 | ljp | add a dog to your console to chase that cat |
| 02:35:23 | | bugger all, i dunno, icefox |
| 02:35:23 | icefox | ibot when does kde 3.1 come out? |
| 02:35:30 | MrMeanor | hehe |
| 02:35:38 | warmi | MrMeanor: try fn +c |
| 02:35:58 | ljp | icefox: you know kde3.1 wil have kitchensync |
| 02:36:07 | MrMeanor | nope |
| 02:36:08 | Speedy2 | heh |
| 02:36:09 | icefox | it has kaudiocreator, my app |
| 02:36:11 | MrMeanor | :( |
| 02:36:14 | icefox | so I want to know |
| 02:36:15 | icefox | ;-D |
| 02:36:21 | icefox | my first app that actually made it into kde |
| 02:36:22 | ljp | ahhh |
| 02:36:41 | ljp | I heard the kde pim app is need of fixing |
| 02:36:56 | Speedy2 | Maybe if they renamed it "PIMp" it would get more attention |
| 02:37:07 | warmi | MrMeanor: it does work for me |
| 02:37:11 | MrMeanor | hmm |
| 02:37:28 | ljp | kpimp |
| 02:37:31 | warmi | ljp: is there difference in key handling between standard terminal and the one from opie ?? |
| 02:37:51 | warmi | MrMeanor: I forgot to tell you that I am not using standard terminal though .. |
| 02:37:54 | warmi | hehe |
| 02:38:05 | MrMeanor | i'm in the standard too |
| 02:38:24 | ljp | umm not really |
| 02:38:28 | MrMeanor | "/ + a" |
| 02:38:37 | warmi | MrMeanor: I think this question is answered in FAQ |
| 02:38:40 | MrMeanor | k |
| 02:38:42 | | i heard faq was at http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/zaurus-faq/ or at http://www.handhelds.org/handhelds-faq/handhelds-faq.html or at http://adorphuye.com/zaurus/java/faq.jsp |
| 02:38:42 | warmi | ibot faq |
| 02:38:58 | MrMeanor | thanks |
| 02:39:02 | MrMeanor | i'll start reading |
| 02:41:14 | warmi | yeah .. it is there - check character input section - 10 |
| 02:45:58 | MrMeanor | thanks |
| 02:46:03 | MrMeanor | i ended up restarting it |
| 02:46:09 | MrMeanor | but it's good to knwo |
| 02:50:27 | W|GGL|T | sig |
| 02:50:34 | W|GGL|T | sig: slackware 8.1 was just released |
| 02:53:21 | alphablue | i'm back |
| 03:12:31 | [MiniMe] | :@ |
| 03:45:08 | NoRemorse | heya has anyone ever modded a linksys WCF11 for an external antenna tail? |
| 03:46:40 | whardier | newp! |
| 03:47:02 | NoRemorse | doh |
| 03:47:24 | NoRemorse | I did it and dont get any signal dunno if it's software sel;ectable or not |
| 03:49:37 | whardier | you neeedd |
| 03:49:43 | whardier | bridges on the conductors |
| 03:56:13 | NoRemorse | huh? |
| 04:00:46 | NoRemorse | whardier bridges from what conductors? |
| 04:12:04 | W|GGL|T | quiet |
| 04:12:09 | y0ssarian | shhh |
| 04:12:50 | y0ssarian | W|GGL|T: what branch of the military were you in? |
| 04:13:45 | W|GGL|T | Army |
| 04:14:21 | y0ssarian | hrm, I'm thinking about joining the peace corps... |
| 04:14:38 | y0ssarian | (if they'll have me) |
| 04:15:36 | W|GGL|T | when i got my first security clearance, they asked me if i'd ever been in the peace corps |
| 04:15:39 | W|GGL|T | dunno why |
| 04:16:09 | y0ssarian | hmm, i dunno, they don't want former military or intel. people in peace corps |
| 04:16:36 | y0ssarian | they want to keep the two strictly seperate for the security of the volunteers |
| 04:16:37 | W|GGL|T | vice versa it seems |
| 04:16:38 | W|GGL|T | hehe |
| 04:16:38 | y0ssarian | esp. cia |
| 04:18:17 | W|GGL|T | hrmmm...i didnt think about the peace corps before i enlisted in the army |
| 04:18:39 | y0ssarian | what did you do in the army? |
| 04:19:02 | W|GGL|T | then again, i'd rather have dedicated my time to my own country |
| 04:19:22 | W|GGL|T | i was a nuclear weapons specialist and an intelligence analyst |
| 04:19:29 | y0ssarian | damn |
| 04:19:30 | y0ssarian | cool |
| 04:19:55 | W|GGL|T | the first 3 years were nuclear wpns, and the last 7 was intel |
| 04:20:44 | W|GGL|T | but its still kinda hard for me to find a job as a civilian |
| 04:20:52 | W|GGL|T | my background is too specialized |
| 04:21:05 | y0ssarian | why'd you leave the army? |
| 04:22:05 | W|GGL|T | because the last 4 years was really hectic...i was assigned to a rapid deployment force and hardly had time to take a damn dump |
| 04:22:31 | W|GGL|T | then i got married and there was no way i was gonna live that way and never see my wife |
| 04:22:33 | y0ssarian | i see |
| 04:22:40 | y0ssarian | ahh |
| 05:04:25 | sig | sup W|GGL|T |
| 05:04:31 | W|GGL|T | hi sig |
| 05:04:40 | sig | I had a 14 hour day today |
| 05:04:42 | sig | :/ |
| 05:04:45 | sig | I'm so tired |
| 05:04:47 | W|GGL|T | slackware 8.1 was just released |
| 05:04:57 | W|GGL|T | go to bed! :o) |
| 05:05:01 | sig | W|GGL|T: nice, I'll have to grab it this weekend |
| 05:07:55 | SirPsycho-home | what is the advantage of making a swap file? |
| 05:08:25 | y0ssarian | SirPsycho-home: it gives you more ram at the cost of storage space |
| 05:08:30 | W|GGL|T | virtual memory, that's what it really is |
| 05:08:38 | W|GGL|T | because RAM isn't infinite |
| 05:09:01 | W|GGL|T | you'll eventually need more memory than the RAM you have |
| 05:09:17 | y0ssarian | SirPsycho-home: but you shouldn't put a swap file on a cf or sd card |
| 05:09:27 | SirPsycho-home | hrm.. so the 64MB is divided into 32MB of "RAM" and 32MB of "disk" |
| 05:09:34 | y0ssarian | SirPsycho-home: correct |
| 05:09:39 | SirPsycho-home | ok.. makes sense now |
| 05:10:00 | SirPsycho-home | i know bout swap files just didnt make sense why you would want one at first.. |
| 05:10:06 | y0ssarian | ahh, k |
| 05:10:29 | SirPsycho-home | how much of the 32MB of "RAM" is used by the OS? |
| 05:10:53 | y0ssarian | hrm, good question... |
| 05:11:28 | y0ssarian | right now on my Z, i'm not running any gui apps, only qpe |
| 05:11:37 | y0ssarian | and i have 8517kB of memory used |
| 05:11:37 | W|GGL|T | with OZ, all but 4mb, i thought |
| 05:11:49 | W|GGL|T | ooops |
| 05:11:52 | W|GGL|T | wrong |
| 05:11:53 | y0ssarian | this is sharp rom |
| 05:12:14 | y0ssarian | the free amount is different than what's actually used |
| 05:12:28 | y0ssarian | because of the stuff that gets cached into memory |
| 05:12:29 | W|GGL|T | all but 4mb of "disk", i thought |
| 05:12:37 | W|GGL|T | OZ takes alot |
| 05:12:44 | y0ssarian | ahh |
| 05:12:44 | y0ssarian | k |
| 05:12:50 | sig_zaurus | sup |
| 05:13:12 | W|GGL|T | damn...XP doesn't like this DVD...keeps resetting my notebook |
| 05:13:16 | SirPsycho-home | i would think it would be slick if someone made it so that you had minimal "RAM" (say 8MB) and then they made it so there was a dynamic sized swap file created as needed on the "disk" |
| 05:13:17 | sig_zaurus | zic is nice |
| 05:13:38 | SirPsycho-home | join the class action lawsuit W|GGL|T =) |
| 05:13:39 | y0ssarian | sig_zaurus: yeah, it's pretty cool |
| 05:13:50 | W|GGL|T | huh? |
| 05:13:58 | W|GGL|T | ahh |
| 05:13:59 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 05:14:00 | SirPsycho-home | there is a class action lawsuit.. |
| 05:14:02 | sig_zaurus | i can paste in this irc program |
| 05:14:14 | W|GGL|T | what lawsuit? |
| 05:14:14 | SirPsycho-home | recent article on slashdot |
| 05:14:30 | sig_zaurus | post the article |
| 05:14:43 | sig_zaurus | bash-2.05# cat /proc/cpuinfo Processor : Intel StrongARM-1110 rev 8 (v4l) BogoMIPS : 137.21 Hardware : Sharp-Collie Revision : 0000 Serial : 0000000000000000 bash-2.05# |
| 05:15:33 | sig_zaurus | if i was to paste that in tkcjabber irc client it would have disconnected me |
| 05:15:56 | y0ssarian | submit a bug report |
| 05:16:09 | sig_zaurus | i did |
| 05:16:12 | y0ssarian | ahh |
| 05:16:12 | y0ssarian | k |
| 05:16:17 | sig_zaurus | :) |
| 05:16:24 | SirPsycho-home | W|GGL|T: http://slashdot.org/ and look in the middle of monday.. |
| 05:17:31 | sig | SirPsycho-home: what is the headline? |
| 05:17:52 | W|GGL|T | RIAA? |
| 05:18:05 | sig | huh? |
| 05:18:08 | sig | heh |
| 05:18:08 | SirPsycho-home | Lawsuit challenges copy-protected CD's |
| 05:18:18 | y0ssarian | http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/06/17/1435211&mode=nested&tid=141 |
| 05:18:39 | y0ssarian | that's not a class action lawsuit |
| 05:18:47 | y0ssarian | oh wait |
| 05:18:49 | y0ssarian | nevermind |
| 05:18:51 | W|GGL|T | all i see is this: AudioGalaxy Reaches Settlement With the RIAA |
| 05:19:07 | SirPsycho-home | click on y0ssarian's link |
| 05:19:18 | y0ssarian | reels from an incredible brainfart |
| 05:19:29 | y0ssarian | reaches for his can of lysol |
| 05:19:45 | sig | Make sure you trademark the stokes per minute of the raping first so you can sue them for ass-rape harmonic infringement.+ |
| 05:19:48 | sig | LMAO!! |
| 05:21:00 | y0ssarian | lol |
| 05:21:09 | sig | They should be required to remove that little CD-quality logo from packaging and say that it is a copy-protected CD. That way, people will know the quality may suck, and they can't listen to it in a computer. |
| 05:21:35 | sig | Or how about a nice "To copy this CD, you must purchase a felt-tipped marker" sticker or a "Must purchase a CD-Burner which is supported by CloneCD and has a RAW read capabilty" sticker. |
| 05:21:37 | sig | LMAO |
| 05:21:41 | sig | these are funny |
| 05:22:04 | SirPsycho-home | you did hear about the way to break the copy protection on some cd's is to mark out the outer track with a sharpie right? |
| 05:22:07 | sig | Don't mark up that copy protected disc. That would be naughty! For detailed instructions on what you better not get caught doing, read |
| 05:22:07 | sig | http://www.uncoveror.com/sayno.htm |
| 05:22:30 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 05:22:32 | sig | go to that link i just pasted |
| 05:22:35 | sig | bookmark it!! |
| 05:22:36 | sig | lol |
| 05:22:44 | W|GGL|T | they had a blurb on that on TechTV |
| 05:22:51 | W|GGL|T | The Screen Savers |
| 05:23:27 | SirPsycho-home | yeah.. that link is rip'd from the original article.. (for some reason i think it was in german..) |
| 05:23:31 | sig | this is funny |
| 05:24:59 | W|GGL|T | is lindows actually linux? |
| 05:25:05 | SirPsycho-home | ok.. here is the original =) http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/05/14/0040215&tid=141 |
| 05:25:47 | y0ssarian | W|GGL|T: yes |
| 05:26:00 | W|GGL|T | i'd thought it was a unix clone |
| 05:26:13 | SirPsycho-home | isnt it linux + wine basically ? |
| 05:26:22 | y0ssarian | i thought so... |
| 05:27:07 | W|GGL|T | wine doesn't support all MS software but lindows was claiming otherwise |
| 05:27:08 | y0ssarian | http://www.lindows.com/lindows_products_lindowsos.php |
| 05:27:08 | W|GGL|T | wtf |
| 05:27:25 | y0ssarian | hrm, seems like a subscription type thingy |
| 05:27:27 | SirPsycho-home | be thankful of one thing W|GGL|T.. at least your puter spits out the nasty CD.. if you had a Mac it wouldnt open at all anymore =) |
| 05:27:31 | y0ssarian | "click and run" |
| 05:27:37 | W|GGL|T | heheh |
| 05:27:53 | y0ssarian | you click on the webpage and run an application over your broadband |
| 05:27:55 | y0ssarian | odd |
| 05:27:58 | W|GGL|T | lindows is going to give linux a bad name |
| 05:28:05 | W|GGL|T | you 'run' it? |
| 05:28:09 | W|GGL|T | not copy it? |
| 05:28:14 | W|GGL|T | ew |
| 05:28:16 | W|GGL|T | that sucks |
| 05:28:16 | SirPsycho-home | i think that wal-mart is sellin pc's with lindows |
| 05:28:22 | y0ssarian | yeah, they are |
| 05:28:22 | W|GGL|T | they are |
| 05:28:31 | W|GGL|T | screw that |
| 05:28:36 | y0ssarian | i'd say that even mandrake is better than that... |
| 05:28:41 | y0ssarian | *shudder* |
| 05:28:48 | W|GGL|T | http://newsforge.com/newsforge/02/06/18/1344258.shtml?tid=23 |
| 05:28:55 | W|GGL|T | y0ssarian: hahaha |
| 05:28:59 | W|GGL|T | i concur |
| 05:29:21 | SirPsycho-home | well.. look at it like this.. 600 bux and you can get a 1.8G machine with it already on it.. if you dont like it ya jus wipe it =) |
| 05:29:30 | sig | I'll have to make a trip to walmart just to see one |
| 05:29:42 | y0ssarian | i think that it's only in the online store |
| 05:29:54 | y0ssarian | if i recall the /. article |
| 05:30:41 | sig_zaurus | i wonder if zic supports /part channels?? |
| 05:30:46 | sig_zaurus | lets see |
| 05:30:49 | y0ssarian | lol |
| 05:30:50 | y0ssarian | try it |
| 05:31:26 | sig | sweet |
| 05:31:29 | sig | it works |
| 05:31:37 | y0ssarian | lol, i forgot you were in the channel for real |
| 05:31:38 | sig | I got ssh on this bad boy too |
| 05:31:45 | y0ssarian | i was going to tell you it didn't work when you re-joined ;) |
| 05:31:52 | sig | lol |
| 05:31:56 | sig | you bastard! |
| 05:31:57 | sig | hehehe |
| 05:31:58 | sig | :) |
| 05:32:33 | sig | I got that service.ipk |
| 05:32:41 | sig | I can ssh in my zaurus |
| 05:32:49 | y0ssarian | cool |
| 05:32:52 | sig | look around from a real terminal |
| 05:33:00 | y0ssarian | yes, it's much nicer that way |
| 05:33:01 | sig | I'm gonna run a apache server... |
| 05:33:04 | sig | just text though |
| 05:33:05 | y0ssarian | lol, why? |
| 05:33:08 | W|GGL|T | i need to config my Z to ssh into my box |
| 05:33:16 | sig | y0ssarianjust for fun |
| 05:33:40 | y0ssarian | W|GGL|T: i haven't been able to do that yet...whenever i try it says something like "invalid packet length" |
| 05:34:00 | y0ssarian | W|GGL|T: i'm going to sit down sometime and figure out why.... |
| 05:34:16 | sig | now at school, I can pic up a rj45 cable, slap it in to my zaurus and move stuff to my server |
| 05:34:37 | sig | you guys can't ssh to your boxes from the z? |
| 05:34:42 | W|GGL|T | kinda sucks trying to ssh thru the cradle tho |
| 05:34:50 | W|GGL|T | because you can't access the keyboard |
| 05:34:55 | y0ssarian | right, that sucks |
| 05:35:08 | sig | thats why i bought a cf netcard |
| 05:35:09 | y0ssarian | sig: nope, i think it has something to do with my server configuration |
| 05:35:22 | sig | y0ssarian hmm, |
| 05:35:49 | sig | pacman is a nice game on the z |
| 05:36:13 | sig | I ssh'd to my server earlier and updated some crap |
| 05:36:15 | sig | from my z |
| 05:36:21 | sig | from work |
| 05:36:25 | sig | :) |
| 05:36:30 | sig | I get bored there sometimes |
| 05:36:48 | y0ssarian | lol, you need a more intersting job then ;) |
| 05:36:56 | sig | if my boss knew what this little z could do he would probably tell me not to bring it in anymore |
| 05:37:02 | y0ssarian | hehe |
| 05:37:18 | sig | I'm a social worker dude |
| 05:37:28 | sig | depressing work |
| 05:37:28 | y0ssarian | ahh |
| 05:37:30 | y0ssarian | i see |
| 05:37:44 | SirPsycho-home | so start up eliza and talk to your patients =) |
| 05:37:50 | sig | lol |
| 05:38:03 | sig | no, better yet, log onto http://www.thehun.net |
| 05:38:09 | sig | LMAO |
| 05:39:35 | y0ssarian | boss might like that even less :) |
| 05:40:22 | sig | yeah i bet |
| 05:41:54 | Twiun | Morning folks |
| 05:42:40 | y0ssarian | yo |
| 05:56:15 | LinuxDude | anyone have a suggestion for the best wireless lan card for a Zaurus? |
| 05:56:42 | y0ssarian | well, most people only have one, so they can't compare... |
| 05:56:45 | y0ssarian | i've got an smc |
| 05:56:58 | y0ssarian | 2642w |
| 05:56:59 | LinuxDude | ya.. |
| 05:57:01 | y0ssarian | and it's pretty good |
| 05:57:12 | LinuxDude | i want one that won't suck up the batteries |
| 05:57:15 | y0ssarian | i like that it doesn't block the stylus + headphones |
| 05:57:20 | LinuxDude | sweet |
| 05:57:23 | y0ssarian | i don't know if such a thing exists |
| 05:57:27 | LinuxDude | lol |
| 05:57:30 | LinuxDude | ya |
| 05:57:33 | y0ssarian | wlan by very nature sucks up batteries |
| 06:01:02 | LinuxDude | ya |
| 06:01:03 | LinuxDude | whats the difference between the 5000 and 5500? |
| 06:01:03 | LinuxDude | i have been looking here http://www.zauruszone.com/wiki/index.php?WirelessCardSupport |
| 06:01:03 | LinuxDude | it has some good info |
| 06:01:03 | LinuxDude | just wanted someones 'real' opinion |
| 06:01:15 | y0ssarian | 5000 has only 32 mb of ram, 5500 has 64 |
| 06:01:20 | treke|home | LinuxDude : half the ram |
| 06:01:27 | treke|home | and a shorter battery life |
| 06:01:35 | y0ssarian | the ram is divided between storage and space to run programs |
| 06:01:36 | LinuxDude | where can you buy that card? |
| 06:01:43 | y0ssarian | ? |
| 06:01:48 | LinuxDude | your smc |
| 06:01:51 | y0ssarian | oh |
| 06:01:56 | y0ssarian | i got it from newegg.com |
| 06:02:07 | y0ssarian | it was like $105 |
| 06:03:11 | LinuxDude | ok |
| 06:07:14 | LinuxDude | ya same price at amazon |
| 06:08:08 | LinuxDude | i don't have my zaurus yet but will soon... and am the typical linux geek... i guess they have a terminal app do they have a ssh client? |
| 06:08:32 | y0ssarian | LinuxDude: yes, there's a terminal and an ssh client |
| 06:08:36 | y0ssarian | and ssh server |
| 06:08:53 | LinuxDude | it would be nice to control my servers from anywhere in my house |
| 06:08:57 | LinuxDude | sweet |
| 06:09:13 | y0ssarian | it's pretty easy to compile any terminal app you can think of |
| 06:09:37 | LinuxDude | so i can compile the bread and butter ported OpenSSH? |
| 06:10:01 | y0ssarian | probably no porting involved |
| 06:10:08 | y0ssarian | probably would just compile |
| 06:10:21 | y0ssarian | just has to be cross compiled, or compiled on Z |
| 06:10:28 | LinuxDude | right i mean the linux version of OpenSSH not the OpenBSD version |
| 06:10:32 | y0ssarian | ahh |
| 06:10:41 | LinuxDude | sweet |
| 06:10:42 | y0ssarian | i didn't know there was a difference |
| 06:11:02 | y0ssarian | but someone's already compiled it and made binaries available ;) |
| 06:11:06 | LinuxDude | ssh -V in linux has p1 after version |
| 06:11:13 | LinuxDude | sweet |
| 06:11:28 | LinuxDude | I can't wait to get it |
| 06:12:02 | LinuxDude | what kind of batter life have you been able to get out of it? |
| 06:15:28 | LinuxDude | y0ssarian: what is the average battery life? |
| 06:16:09 | y0ssarian_ | depends on what you're doing ;) |
| 06:16:20 | y0ssarian_ | the wireless stuff really does eat it up |
| 06:16:51 | LinuxDude | ok... what about listening to mp3s |
| 06:17:26 | y0ssarian | hmm, i haven't really done much of that... |
| 06:17:40 | y0ssarian | i've mostly used it for wireless webbrowsing |
| 06:17:49 | LinuxDude | ya... thats what i plan on doing |
| 06:17:51 | y0ssarian | for which it lasts about 1.5 hours |
| 06:17:56 | LinuxDude | cool |
| 06:18:12 | y0ssarian | i'm flying to seattle next week so i bought an external battery pack for the flight |
| 06:18:24 | LinuxDude | you bought an extra? |
| 06:18:27 | y0ssarian | where I will be listening to mp3's |
| 06:18:38 | y0ssarian | no, this is a camera battery |
| 06:18:51 | LinuxDude | ok |
| 06:18:58 | y0ssarian | http://www.delkin.com/products_consumer/information/info_epower.htm |
| 06:19:00 | LinuxDude | can't you watch movies too? |
| 06:19:10 | y0ssarian | sort of... |
| 06:19:22 | y0ssarian | not very practical unless you have a huge cf card |
| 06:19:25 | MrMeanor | hey has anyone ran into the problem where their zaurus won't resume from a suspend in qtopia after putting on X-windows |
| 06:19:31 | y0ssarian | or a mounted network share... |
| 06:19:43 | y0ssarian | MrMeanor: haven't tried Xwindows |
| 06:19:56 | MrMeanor | hmm |
| 06:20:00 | y0ssarian | MrMeanor: but i think i've read about the problem in the zz forums |
| 06:20:01 | MrMeanor | it's weird |
| 06:20:14 | LinuxDude | cool |
| 06:20:17 | MrMeanor | it resumes in xwindows but not in qtopia |
| 06:20:26 | y0ssarian | i dunno |
| 06:20:34 | MrMeanor | where's the zzforus at |
| 06:20:41 | y0ssarian | www.zauruszone.com |
| 06:20:46 | y0ssarian | click on forums |
| 06:20:59 | y0ssarian | then bookmark it ;) |
| 06:21:00 | MrMeanor | thanks |
| 06:21:04 | MrMeanor | :) |
| 06:21:07 | MrMeanor | will do good buddy |
| 06:21:39 | LinuxDude | do you really ever get used to the little keyboard? |
| 06:21:51 | y0ssarian | i think it's alright |
| 06:22:02 | y0ssarian | wouldn't want to write a ton of stuff on it... |
| 06:22:11 | y0ssarian | but it's faster than handwriting |
| 06:22:18 | LinuxDude | thats good |
| 06:22:32 | LinuxDude | played any games? |
| 06:22:35 | y0ssarian | i find that it's faster for me to set the Z down on a table and use my index fingers |
| 06:22:40 | y0ssarian | rather than thumbs |
| 06:22:47 | LinuxDude | ya |
| 06:22:57 | y0ssarian | yeah, there's a solitare game that just came out that's pretty cool |
| 06:23:10 | y0ssarian | and the included scrabble game is great |
| 06:23:16 | LinuxDude | cool |
| 06:23:55 | MrMeanor | yeah |
| 06:23:58 | LinuxDude | is there a graphical IRC client? |
| 06:23:59 | MrMeanor | i love my zaurus |
| 06:24:20 | y0ssarian | LinuxDude: yeah, check out http://killefiz.de/zaurus/ |
| 06:24:34 | y0ssarian | great list of software for Z |
| 06:25:02 | MrMeanor | yeah |
| 06:25:33 | LinuxDude | looks like i am going to have to get one of these |
| 06:25:42 | y0ssarian | zaurus rocks |
| 06:25:55 | y0ssarian | i'm very pleased with mine |
| 06:26:08 | y0ssarian | a lot of people have had problems with the sync software tho... |
| 06:26:08 | MrMeanor | it's not as strong as a pim but it's one hell of a portable computer |
| 06:26:13 | y0ssarian | qtopiadesktop |
| 06:26:24 | y0ssarian | i got it setup and working, but i never use it |
| 06:26:36 | zkhensu | me neither |
| 06:26:55 | y0ssarian | MrMeanor: exactly, that's what i'm more interested in a pocket computer |
| 06:26:59 | MrMeanor | yeah |
| 06:27:01 | LinuxDude | i don't see the point |
| 06:27:12 | MrMeanor | i've got mine running xwindows with a supernintendo emulator |
| 06:27:16 | y0ssarian | sweet |
| 06:27:26 | MrMeanor | i get to play mariocart in the airport |
| 06:27:28 | MrMeanor | :) |
| 06:27:32 | y0ssarian | that's awesome |
| 06:27:33 | LinuxDude | awsome |
| 06:27:39 | y0ssarian | does it run chronotrigger? |
| 06:27:39 | MrMeanor | yeah it's so much fun |
| 06:27:45 | LinuxDude | xmame ported yet? |
| 06:27:46 | MrMeanor | any snes rom |
| 06:27:50 | MrMeanor | yes it is |
| 06:27:54 | LinuxDude | dude |
| 06:27:55 | y0ssarian | damn, i've got to get that setup |
| 06:27:59 | LinuxDude | this is so badass |
| 06:28:03 | y0ssarian | lol |
| 06:28:17 | y0ssarian | MrMeanor: how much space does X take up? |
| 06:28:18 | MrMeanor | here the link |
| 06:28:35 | MrMeanor | like 2 megs or less |
| 06:28:43 | MrMeanor | i run it with the ice windows manager |
| 06:28:55 | LinuxDude | icewm is good |
| 06:28:57 | MrMeanor | http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=39939 |
| 06:29:07 | MrMeanor | that's for xwindows and the mame |
| 06:29:14 | MrMeanor | and snes emulator |
| 06:29:39 | y0ssarian | do you have to do any additional setup to get X running? |
| 06:29:56 | y0ssarian | i guess it should be configured to work right from the ipk... |
| 06:30:01 | MrMeanor | yeah |
| 06:30:22 | MrMeanor | all you do is goto the standard console install the ipk for xwindows |
| 06:30:26 | MrMeanor | then do the ice |
| 06:30:32 | MrMeanor | then in xwindows |
| 06:30:49 | MrMeanor | install the enulator or whatnot |
| 06:31:15 | y0ssarian | nice...does snes9x run rotated? |
| 06:31:37 | y0ssarian | how do the buttons work? |
| 06:32:24 | MrMeanor | the dpad is run on the little circle on the botton, and the a,b,x,y are on teh keyboard |
| 06:32:30 | MrMeanor | and start is enter |
| 06:33:05 | y0ssarian | cool, i definitly have to check that out |
| 06:33:12 | MrMeanor | yeah its cool |
| 06:34:00 | MrMeanor | i'm looking up how to overclock the zaurus if it can be done |
| 06:34:02 | LinuxDude | how big of a CF card should i get? |
| 06:34:08 | MrMeanor | the bigger the better |
| 06:34:20 | LinuxDude | ya... money is an issue though |
| 06:34:30 | SirPsycho-home | i am gonna get a big SD card |
| 06:34:36 | MrMeanor | then that's how big you want the card |
| 06:34:46 | MrMeanor | as much cash as yuo have |
| 06:34:49 | LinuxDude | heh |
| 06:34:55 | LinuxDude | i guess that will work |
| 06:35:19 | LinuxDude | which is better SD or CF? |
| 06:35:52 | SirPsycho-home | SD can only be memory |
| 06:36:06 | SirPsycho-home | CF can be memory, camera, nic, etc |
| 06:36:21 | LinuxDude | right... i mean memory? |
| 06:36:36 | y0ssarian | sd is way more expensive than cf too |
| 06:36:37 | SirPsycho-home | CF memory is needed though if you want to flash your Z |
| 06:36:37 | LinuxDude | is one cheaper, faster, better |
| 06:36:52 | LinuxDude | ok |
| 06:36:54 | y0ssarian | sd is usually faster, but not with the Z's hw implementation |
| 06:37:07 | LinuxDude | ok i will get cf then |
| 06:37:24 | SirPsycho-home | so you dont plan on networking unless you are in the cradle |
| 06:37:31 | y0ssarian | the downside to cf is you can't use the flash card at the same time as the network card |
| 06:37:37 | LinuxDude | ya |
| 06:37:57 | LinuxDude | i will use the compact flash for games, music, etc... the wireless for browsing |
| 06:38:02 | fargo | sd.. |
| 06:38:07 | fargo | give me a break |
| 06:38:16 | SirPsycho-home | if you get the SD.. be careful of sandisk 128MB.. lots of problems listed on the boards |
| 06:38:47 | LinuxDude | i can mount a network filesystem you say? |
| 06:39:02 | SirPsycho-home | sure can |
| 06:39:06 | LinuxDude | nice |
| 06:39:24 | SirPsycho-home | imagine Z with wireless nic mounting your mp3/ogg collection =) |
| 06:39:40 | LinuxDude | i guess i will make a place on my linux box for storing stuff i don't need so i can keep some space on it |
| 06:39:49 | LinuxDude | thats exactly what i am thinking |
| 06:39:53 | MrMeanor | or you could run apache off it and have a website run off it |
| 06:39:56 | LinuxDude | my 5gb worth |
| 06:39:57 | y0ssarian | yes, network mounts are very nice |
| 06:40:02 | y0ssarian | Z does both smb and nfs |
| 06:40:16 | SirPsycho-home | can it do nfs automounting? |
| 06:40:21 | y0ssarian | dunno |
| 06:41:12 | [DrEvil] | no |
| 06:41:19 | [DrEvil] | it can't |
| 06:41:28 | [DrEvil] | the autofs stuff is on the Z |
| 06:41:28 | [DrEvil] | but |
| 06:41:32 | LinuxDude | wow... this sounds like a must have for any linux geek... i am surprised sharp left it this "open" |
| 06:41:45 | [DrEvil] | the mount command in busybox does not support it's command line syntax |
| 06:41:54 | y0ssarian | yeah, it would suck if you couldn't tweak it |
| 06:42:12 | LinuxDude | i am dissapointed about getting my xbox for that very reason |
| 06:42:24 | y0ssarian | lol, xbox == evil |
| 06:42:25 | [DrEvil] | automount wants mount --bind |
| 06:42:42 | [DrEvil] | but busybox uses mount -o bind |
| 06:42:49 | LinuxDude | everyone thought it would be easy to hack and have linux servers... etc, but only way to do it now is with modchip |
| 06:42:56 | y0ssarian | i have a friend who works for ea-sports |
| 06:42:57 | [DrEvil] | and it is not a matter of putting a proper mount command in there |
| 06:43:04 | y0ssarian | he worked on an x-box game |
| 06:43:23 | y0ssarian | for the controller, when you hit one of the buttons, a slight hit is registered on all of the buttons |
| 06:43:28 | SirPsycho-home | could you remove the busybox symlink to mount and create a script? |
| 06:43:49 | [DrEvil] | I was thinking of doing that |
| 06:43:49 | y0ssarian | so they have to, in software, filter out all button presses that are less than like 10 ms |
| 06:43:51 | LinuxDude | cool, i guess... i never cared much about the games... i was stupid to buy it the day it came out |
| 06:44:17 | [DrEvil] | it should work if it lets all the other syntax go through |
| 06:44:28 | LinuxDude | weird... sounds like ms with their bad hardware |
| 06:44:33 | [DrEvil] | the Z wont first boot right witht the wrong mount command |
| 06:44:57 | y0ssarian | well, i hate the xbox controller anyway, it's _way_ too big |
| 06:45:06 | LinuxDude | ya it is |
| 06:45:20 | [DrEvil] | the other problem is....you can only change this by editing the rom image |
| 06:45:51 | y0ssarian | http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2002-03-25&res=l |
| 06:46:28 | LinuxDude | is the terminal shell bash? |
| 06:46:42 | [DrEvil] | I am going to recompile the kernel so the Z will also be able to act as an nfs server |
| 06:47:14 | y0ssarian | [DrEvil]: you can't use a user-space nfs server? |
| 06:47:32 | [DrEvil] | where is it?> |
| 06:47:56 | [DrEvil] | the nfs-kernel-server ipk is missing something |
| 06:48:31 | SirPsycho-home | is ther a nfs-common? |
| 06:48:45 | y0ssarian | [DrEvil]: http://freshmeat.net/projects/nfs-server/?topic_id=142 |
| 06:48:46 | [DrEvil] | yeah |
| 06:48:52 | [DrEvil] | that works |
| 06:49:09 | LinuxDude | ok well i have to go, thx for all the great sites and tips |
| 06:49:18 | [DrEvil] | there it goes |
| 06:49:23 | [DrEvil] | tkcJabber just ate my Z |
| 06:49:48 | y0ssarian | i wonder how it tasted |
| 06:49:52 | y0ssarian | salty? |
| 06:51:13 | [DrEvil] | I can see the exports on the Z |
| 06:51:18 | [DrEvil] | but I can't mount them |
| 06:51:29 | [DrEvil] | and it isn't permission related |
| 06:51:49 | y0ssarian | hrmm |
| 06:51:53 | [DrEvil] | Starting NFS kernel daemon: nfsdnfssvc: Function not implemented |
| 06:52:07 | y0ssarian | sounds like a kernel issue :) |
| 06:52:38 | [DrEvil] | that is from tne nfs-kernel-server ipk that I have in my ROM |
| 06:52:51 | [DrEvil] | I think it wants knfsd |
| 07:10:30 | W|GGL|T | its WAYYY past my bedtime |
| 07:10:53 | y0ssarian | lol |
| 07:10:55 | y0ssarian | then go to bed |
| 07:11:05 | y0ssarian | i took at 4 hour nap this afternoon |
| 07:13:07 | y0ssarian | so i'm not tired |
| 07:16:52 | W|GGL|T | i had to set up an ftp server so someone could grab slack 8.1 from me |
| 07:17:04 | W|GGL|T | firewalls can sometimes be a bitch |
| 07:17:12 | W|GGL|T | is away: I'm busy smoking a blunt or sleeping or something |
| 07:17:22 | y0ssarian | night |
| 07:17:27 | W|GGL|T | nite |
| 07:20:10 | Speedy2 | night |
| 07:28:31 | Wembly | wavies |
| 07:28:34 | Wembly | hihi :) |
| 07:28:56 | Wembly | anyone alive? |
| 07:28:59 | y0ssarian | yo |
| 07:29:00 | y0ssarian | wassup |
| 07:29:05 | Wembly | hihi |
| 07:29:18 | y0ssarian | how's it going? |
| 07:29:29 | Wembly | pritty good |
| 07:29:39 | Wembly | just kinda looking for stuffs. |
| 07:29:49 | Wembly | and desided to pop in here cus i was bored and sick of doing that stuff :) |
| 07:30:17 | y0ssarian | i see, well you might not find much relief from your boredom here ;0 |
| 07:30:19 | y0ssarian | :) |
| 07:30:37 | cdm | back again. |
| 07:30:43 | cdm | ducks looking for [DrEvil] and Wembly |
| 07:30:51 | Speedy2 | Hi CDM |
| 07:30:55 | Speedy2 | *HI* |
| 07:30:59 | cdm | hey Speedy2. |
| 07:31:55 | [DrEvil] | it's Mr. QNX |
| 07:32:01 | y0ssarian | lol |
| 07:32:07 | Speedy2 | Not Mr. QNX |
| 07:32:08 | Speedy2 | Dr. QNX |
| 07:32:27 | [DrEvil] | you are rating him too high |
| 07:32:45 | Speedy2 | He's a cool cat with knowledge. |
| 07:33:36 | SirPsycho-home | so you gonna load qnx on a Z ? ;P |
| 07:33:50 | Speedy2 | Yes |
| 07:33:53 | cdm | SirPsycho-home: I hope to have http://qnxzone.com/eQip/ going on a Z yes. |
| 07:33:54 | Speedy2 | If I could, I would |
| 07:48:20 | y0ssarian | is away: sleep |
| 07:52:51 | Speedy2 | There's a hunger inside you |
| 07:59:25 | cdm | ah. |
| 07:59:29 | cdm | can talk now. |
| 08:09:49 | Wembly | hihi |
| 08:10:31 | Wembly | just cant see the point of qnx. |
| 08:10:38 | Wembly | atleast on the Z that is. |
| 08:10:49 | Wembly | but *shrug* |
| 08:10:53 | Wembly | thats just my opionion :) |
| 08:13:12 | cdm | Wembly: of course. There are people who want to run QNX on ARM based PDAs in vertical applications. |
| 08:13:27 | Wembly | vertical applications? |
| 08:14:48 | cdm | yeah - ie: not a general consumer device but, as a fictional example, as the handhelds computing device that all UPS people would carry. |
| 08:14:59 | cdm | vertical markets. |
| 08:19:18 | cdm | the iPaq gets a lot of OEM sales in such areas. |
| 08:19:22 | cdm | some now with QNX. |
| 08:20:25 | cdm | plus it is always fun to try out different OSes on your devices I think. |
| 08:23:03 | MrMeanor | ahh i just got done watering my bonsai and i'm in the mood for linux |
| 08:23:09 | MrMeanor | the 2 go together |
| 08:23:22 | MrMeanor | both take patiences |
| 08:23:30 | MrMeanor | but the end result is beutife |
| 08:23:40 | MrMeanor | *beautyful |
| 08:23:44 | MrMeanor | pff |
| 08:24:03 | cdm | MrMeanor: You need to pipe your irc text into ispell. ;) |
| 08:24:21 | MrMeanor | i know |
| 08:24:23 | MrMeanor | too tired |
| 08:24:29 | MrMeanor | i was wakeboarding today |
| 08:24:41 | MrMeanor | my arms are so tired |
| 08:27:45 | cdm | cool stuff. |
| 08:37:32 | Wembly | cdm: yea |
| 08:37:38 | Wembly | cdm: trying out diff oses is nice |
| 08:37:50 | Wembly | but im just trying to get settled with the one os atm :) |
| 08:38:24 | Wembly | cdm: i solve the ispell problem by just declaring myself as speaking another language :) |
| 08:38:29 | Wembly | cdm: 'wemglish' hehe |
| 08:38:38 | Wembly | what in the world is wakeboarding? |
| 08:39:03 | Wembly | that where you tie a little board you knee on and then go on the boat wake? (you being towed behind one that is) |
| 08:40:48 | cdm | Wembly: wakeboarding is like snowboarding on water. |
| 08:41:02 | cdm | Wembly: or like a cross between snowboarding and waterskiing |
| 08:41:09 | Wembly | herm weird |
| 08:41:13 | Wembly | so you stand up? |
| 08:41:16 | cdm | yeah. |
| 08:41:19 | Wembly | do you get towed behind i boat i take it? |
| 08:41:26 | cdm | with both feet secured to a single plank. |
| 08:41:31 | cdm | yep. |
| 08:45:23 | NoRemorse | heya, is there a function call to pop up a text window in opie? |
| 08:45:30 | NoRemorse | I need to debug s tring manipulation |
| 08:45:41 | NoRemorse | I need to debug a string manipulation |
| 08:54:49 | tille | benmeyer: ping |
| 09:11:53 | MrMeanor | now if i were to go buy a sd card which brand should i go, Pretec or Sandisk? |
| 09:12:14 | MrMeanor | or which has the least amount of conflicts etc. |
| 09:20:14 | NoRemorse | conflicts? |
| 09:21:48 | Wembly | mrmeanor: there is a compatablity list somewhere on the web :/ |
| 09:21:54 | Wembly | mrmeanor: check the unoffical faq? |
| 09:22:07 | Wembly | besides i never figured out what was so speical about SD |
| 09:22:13 | Wembly | vs mmc |
| 09:29:01 | cdm | Wembly: content protection is the only thing I see. |
| 09:31:01 | MrMeanor | i just want the cf slot to be open for the wireless card |
| 09:31:11 | MrMeanor | so i figured i'd fill the sd slot |
| 09:37:07 | NoRemorse | MrMeanor exactly what I did, so I got a 128MB toshiba SD |
| 09:37:46 | tille | benmeyer: ping |
| 09:41:44 | MrMeanor | maybe i'll get this and get a camcorder and a sd card |
| 09:41:46 | MrMeanor | http://www.ibmega.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=IM&Product_Code=SV-AV10A |
| 09:47:31 | NoRemorse | ljp |
| 09:48:01 | NoRemorse | the prob with %20 bug is that libmad converts the %20's to spaces, it needs to leave them as is |
| 09:52:49 | tille | NoRemorse: write a bugreport at http://opie.info/mantis/ |
| 09:57:55 | Wembly | cdm: how's that work? |
| 10:00:08 | NoRemorse | na tille I am gonna fix it maself |
| 10:00:33 | NoRemorse | and the %20's seem to be changed to spaces when the m3u is loaded |
| 10:01:48 | tille | NoRemorse: even cooler, %20 is ~ right? |
| 10:01:53 | NoRemorse | which doesnt look like thats done in libmad |
| 10:02:00 | NoRemorse | nah %20 is pace |
| 10:02:03 | NoRemorse | space |
| 10:03:03 | NoRemorse | found it |
| 10:03:09 | NoRemorse | filename.replace(QRegExp("%20")," "); |
| 10:16:11 | NoRemorse | YES YES YES |
| 10:16:22 | NoRemorse | is playing mp3.com .m3u playlists in opieplayer! |
| 10:20:06 | tille | cool, what do you do with the changes, NoRemorse? |
| 10:21:43 | NoRemorse | havent done anythang yet |
| 10:22:19 | tille | you modified opieplayer? |
| 10:23:57 | NoRemorse | yep |
| 10:24:06 | NoRemorse | w00t just loaded an m3u with 200 songs and it worked |
| 10:24:33 | tille | NoRemorse: upload a patch to http://opie.info/mantis/ |
| 10:24:41 | tille | wonders if it works |
| 10:24:42 | NoRemorse | hehe of course they are unreadable on the playlist.... |
| 10:24:53 | NoRemorse | of coursew it works! |
| 10:25:31 | tille | to upload a file to mantis, NoRemorse? |
| 10:25:58 | NoRemorse | hey as an aside, what ya think of this. I burn some mp3's to a cd using nero, just so I could play in the car cd player. the cd player shows the NAMES of the songs... I didnt think normal cd format allowed for that? |
| 10:26:04 | NoRemorse | oh sorry thought youy meant my fix |
| 10:27:38 | tille | NoRemorse: would be nice to see your fix |
| 10:28:07 | tille | NoRemorse: and i am keen in testing the features of the new opie bugtracker ;) |
| 10:30:29 | NoRemorse | hrm... the load file or url dialog DOESNT open an m3u from a http, I'll fix that too |
| 10:30:56 | NoRemorse | and then the final step will be being able to click an m3u from opera and have it pass it to opieplayer, load it and play! |
| 10:31:20 | NoRemorse | hrm enuf for tonight tho |
| 10:35:23 | tille | NoRemorse: whats about uploading a patch? |
| 10:36:36 | Harlekin | tille: hehe, no bugreport, no fix |
| 10:47:58 | NoRemorse | oeer nah that will be too hard |
| 10:48:14 | NoRemorse | cos the url is not fetched until you press play, bot at the open file dialogbox stage |
| 10:48:21 | NoRemorse | bot=not |
| 10:48:23 | NoRemorse | damnit |
| 10:48:29 | NoRemorse | oh well this'll do! |
| 10:58:34 | Speedy2 | re |
| 11:03:14 | Wembly | herm |
| 11:04:30 | Speedy2 | Hi wembly |
| 11:12:58 | NoRemorse | how can i limit my linksys wlan cf card to 2meg max? |
| 11:13:21 | Speedy2 | hrm |
| 11:14:29 | NoRemorse | no takers?! |
| 11:15:15 | Speedy2 | There might be an IOCTL to do it |
| 11:15:36 | NoRemorse | k |
| 11:27:22 | Harlekin | does somebody have a log from #zaurus ? |
| 11:29:29 | tille | Harlekin: can make you one starting from 10:58:45 MET |
| 11:29:37 | NoRemorse | where in opieplayer source or runtime can i increase the streaming buffersize? |
| 11:30:15 | Harlekin | lol |
| 11:30:23 | Wembly | herm. |
| 11:30:33 | Wembly | if only i had a clue of howto use opie-remote :) |
| 11:30:40 | Wembly | or more speificly what it needed to be used :) |
| 11:32:03 | tille | Harlekin: ? |
| 11:32:59 | Harlekin | tille: just laughing about people not willing to write bug reports |
| 11:33:02 | Harlekin | tille: their prob |
| 11:35:16 | NoRemorse | # define MAD_BUFFER_MDLEN (511 + 2048 |
| 11:35:22 | NoRemorse | hrm |
| 11:35:31 | NoRemorse | whata ya recon |
| 11:56:47 | nems | Hmm |
| 11:56:54 | nems | hey everyone. |
| 11:56:54 | Cloud | 'mornin |
| 11:58:03 | Cloud | i just read something on zz...that if you edit a system file with a gui text editor on the z, it saves a copy to the doc dir rather than editing the original |
| 11:58:12 | Cloud | do you happen to know if thta's true? |
| 11:58:13 | nems | Really? |
| 11:58:19 | nems | Evidently I dont know for sure ;) |
| 11:58:22 | Cloud | hehe |
| 11:58:23 | nems | It sucks if it does though. |
| 11:58:34 | Cloud | me either but that would be very bad if it is true |
| 11:59:24 | Cloud | should save over the original unless you do "save as" and specify something different |
| 12:01:01 | Cloud | anyway how are you doing this morning? |
| 12:04:52 | nems | not too bad ;) |
| 12:04:58 | nems | Forgot my cradle at home :/ heh |
| 12:05:28 | nems | still listening to the Rent soundtrack. lol |
| 12:05:54 | Cloud | :) i'm trying to motivate here.. |
| 12:06:07 | Cloud | have a wireless class this afternoon |
| 12:06:22 | Cloud | then i have to study for the cisco wireless exam |
| 12:06:28 | nems | Hehe |
| 12:06:36 | nems | Fun fun... I cant wait to go back to school. |
| 12:06:39 | Cloud | took my z yesterday and impressed people ; |
| 12:06:46 | nems | lol |
| 12:06:51 | Cloud | hehe this is work classes not school classes |
| 12:07:01 | nems | Eh, it ammounts to the same thing. ;) |
| 12:07:02 | Cloud | 4 hours on wireless, how much could they say |
| 12:07:30 | Cloud | the guy who's giving the presentation said i probly know more about it than he does |
| 12:07:34 | Cloud | and that's not so much |
| 12:07:41 | nems | 4 hours? ouch |
| 12:07:57 | Cloud | for the exam though.. that requires some studying |
| 12:08:26 | Cloud | i think today is just to show us what our company offers maybe just an overview and how to do a site survey |
| 12:09:15 | nems | Sounds like a nice long... powerpoint presentation. ;) |
| 12:09:23 | Cloud | exactly! |
| 12:09:26 | Cloud | snores |
| 12:09:28 | nems | hehe |
| 12:09:36 | Harlekin | NoRemorse: so wheres the patch? |
| 12:09:39 | nems | Powerpoint is the biggest pile of marketing crap... lol |
| 12:09:47 | nems | heya Harlekin |
| 12:10:11 | Harlekin | hey nems |
| 12:11:21 | zecke | NoRemorse: 0xffffffff would be a good buffer size |
| 12:12:08 | Harlekin | lol |
| 12:12:18 | Harlekin | zecke: dont pick on remorse |
| 12:12:24 | Harlekin | NoRemorse: where do you think the error is? |
| 12:16:18 | NoRemorse | hrm well |
| 12:16:42 | NoRemorse | first error is it sticks a / on the end of the url |
| 12:16:50 | ljp | ha |
| 12:17:13 | NoRemorse | second is it replaces %20 with spaces |
| 12:17:22 | NoRemorse | i fixed both those |
| 12:17:36 | NoRemorse | now i got a prob some urls get barfed |
| 12:17:51 | Harlekin | NoRemorse: wrong |
| 12:18:01 | Harlekin | and URL allways has a tailing / |
| 12:18:06 | Harlekin | read the rfc |
| 12:18:08 | NoRemorse | also would help if opieplayer handled 404 better than shutting down |
| 12:18:12 | Harlekin | and libamd expects |
| 12:18:13 | Harlekin | it |
| 12:18:24 | Harlekin | 404 pops up a dialog |
| 12:18:38 | NoRemorse | harl well it dont work with file.mp3/ for some reason |
| 12:18:45 | Harlekin | 3rd an url with spaces is malformed |
| 12:18:51 | NoRemorse | rfc aint always right huh |
| 12:18:55 | Harlekin | they are |
| 12:18:56 | ljp | the %20 replace space was a try fix |
| 12:19:02 | Harlekin | just because windows breaks the rules |
| 12:19:07 | Harlekin | does not mean they are right |
| 12:19:11 | NoRemorse | hehe tell apache that harl |
| 12:19:22 | NoRemorse | windows? |
| 12:19:23 | Harlekin | the user that saves with spaces it the dummy |
| 12:19:25 | Harlekin | nut apache |
| 12:19:30 | NoRemorse | who is using windowss |
| 12:19:42 | Harlekin | which idiot would save a file with spaces unter unix? |
| 12:19:47 | nems | I am at home? For games? ;) |
| 12:20:01 | hunger | NoRemorse: More then half the world does! |
| 12:20:05 | nems | Harlekin : Windows idiots with networked unix drives ;) |
| 12:20:17 | hunger | Harlekin: That's a nasty restriction of Unix, isen't it? |
| 12:20:30 | Harlekin | hunger: its not a restriction, you could |
| 12:20:35 | Harlekin | but its plain stupid |
| 12:20:38 | nems | hunger: Not really. Its not actually a restriction. You're more than welcome to create a filename with spaces. |
| 12:20:41 | nems | What harlekin said.. I'm just realkly laggy. |
| 12:20:43 | NoRemorse | look I aint looking for a fight, u want software that is rfc or software that works? |
| 12:20:59 | hunger | Harlekin: Obviously you are UNIX-brainwashed allready. Of course it's a restriction. |
| 12:21:00 | Harlekin | it works for me |
| 12:21:05 | Harlekin | and i did not got a bugreport yet |
| 12:21:07 | Harlekin | so |
| 12:21:08 | Harlekin | ... |
| 12:21:12 | NoRemorse | fact is it now works for me on mp3.com |
| 12:21:13 | Harlekin | hunger: ? |
| 12:21:15 | nems | I agree for noremorse... for what my 1 cent is worth. (Since I'm not coding it, I dont even get 2 cents ;) |
| 12:21:20 | Harlekin | hunger: you can make as much spaces as you want |
| 12:21:29 | nems | err. s/for/with |
| 12:21:56 | NoRemorse | no i aint gonna submit a bug report i am obvously a minute minority :) |
| 12:22:23 | nems | I agree with you for what its worth NoRemorse :) RFC's that make things more difficult to use shuold be relooked at. Because thats defeating the purpose. |
| 12:22:45 | NoRemorse | thanks nems |
| 12:22:46 | Harlekin | the fix is actually very easy |
| 12:22:51 | Harlekin | i tell you when you get close |
| 12:22:59 | NoRemorse | huh |
| 12:23:12 | NoRemorse | close to what |
| 12:23:16 | nems | NoRemorse: And if you have the version that works with mp3.com, could I have your version once its released? ;) |
| 12:23:29 | NoRemorse | i am there as far as my requirements go |
| 12:23:38 | NoRemorse | hehe nems |
| 12:23:50 | hunger | Harlekin: You said it's stupid to do spaces in names. It's not from the user's point of view. So since Unix can't handle those filenames properly (on the commandline) is a restriction. |
| 12:24:13 | NoRemorse | well my spaces stem from rips of cd names |
| 12:24:25 | nems | Because as far as I'm concerned, if it doesnt work with a random sit on shoutcast.com and a random song on mp3.com, then its not working right :) of course, my opinion counts for very little since I'm not coding it, and not C savvy enough to know what to do with it if I was coding it :) |
| 12:24:28 | NoRemorse | thats not thee point tho |
| 12:24:41 | nems | hunger: No, technically windows can't handle spaces on the command line either if you look at it. |
| 12:25:00 | nems | hunger: only in the GUI |
| 12:25:05 | NoRemorse | which is why the rfc allowed for %20 |
| 12:25:12 | NoRemorse | for urls |
| 12:25:30 | hunger | nems: Others having the same restriction does not make things right. |
| 12:26:08 | nems | I didnt say it was right. I was saying your argument was somewhat invalidated by the fact that you're arguing that its not a restriction on windows, when you're talking about command line unix. You should be talking about in the GUI or on the command line. Not on command line of one and GUI of another. |
| 12:26:28 | nems | But realize I'm only arguing because I dont want to start this project I have pending. ;) |
| 12:27:36 | hunger | nems: I argued that it's a restriction to the users. And developers should strive to get rid of restrictions to users, not get used to having them and go round telling people they are stupid they bumped into restrictions in the first place. |
| 12:28:03 | hunger | nems: And yes, I am arguing to not get back to work too:-) |
| 12:28:26 | nems | I agree with that argument. :) |
| 12:28:46 | nems | And besides... you should always aim for support for the most ignorant user. Because they're going to be the ones that need it most.. |
| 12:28:57 | nems | And I think harlekin and NoRemorse stopped listening to us about 20 minuts ago. ;) |
| 12:29:04 | NoRemorse | hehe |
| 12:29:24 | hunger | nems: Too bad as I was trying to make a point with Harlekin, not you. |
| 12:29:37 | nems | hunger: Sorry. ;) |
| 12:29:56 | Harlekin | re |
| 12:30:28 | hunger | is really upset about this The-user-did-not-get-what-I-developed-so-he-mustz-be-a-stupid-asshole approach I find rather often in open source (and free software) projects. |
| 12:30:47 | NoRemorse | i dont think i can post it as a fix cos it isnt really broken (apparently) |
| 12:30:58 | hunger | Nearly as bad as the I-need-to-reinvent-the-wheel-because-everyone-else-is-dumb-anyway approach;-) |
| 12:31:10 | ljp | hunger: are you a developer? |
| 12:31:22 | hunger | ljp: I'm trying to be, yes. |
| 12:31:57 | NoRemorse | if anyone wants the mod ipk email me@murf.net |
| 12:32:26 | ljp | if you distribute the binary, you must dostribute your changes, noremorse |
| 12:32:33 | nems | "I'm not a developer, but I play one on tv... you may have seen me in such films as 'He Really Was a Computer Geek' or 'Attack of the 50 foot Computer Boy'". |
| 12:32:46 | nems | NoRemorse : Mod player? |
| 12:32:51 | hunger | ljp: I'm apt to fall into the same traps, but at least I try to read as much as possible about simular projects and reuse code where possible (not that it's possible in a lot of places;-) |
| 12:32:52 | nems | or modified ipkg for opie player? |
| 12:33:03 | NoRemorse | no my mods to opieplayer |
| 12:33:58 | nems | Sent. |
| 12:34:27 | NoRemorse | shh i am not meant to distrib |
| 12:35:01 | nems | NoRemorse : Does any of your stuff make anything WORSE out of curiousity? |
| 12:35:08 | nems | Any of your changes? |
| 12:35:08 | NoRemorse | ljp how should i go about this? |
| 12:35:17 | NoRemorse | nope nems |
| 12:35:28 | nems | Then what the hell is the big deal? Maybe I'm missing a point somewhere. |
| 12:35:33 | NoRemorse | not for me anyways |
| 12:35:53 | NoRemorse | cos apparently it wasnt broken |
| 12:36:02 | nems | So if its not broken, don't make improvements? |
| 12:36:06 | NoRemorse | so how can i post a fix |
| 12:36:15 | NoRemorse | ok nems i wont |
| 12:36:24 | ljp | NoRemorse: e me a patch |
| 12:36:29 | nems | That was a rhetorical "Do you realize how stupid that sounds" question :p |
| 12:36:38 | NoRemorse | if u call getting it to work on mp3.com not an improvement |
| 12:36:50 | nems | I definitely DO call that an improvement. |
| 12:37:01 | nems | "only the biggest provider of legal free mp3's known to man... but we'll ignore them" ;p |
| 12:37:12 | NoRemorse | hehe |
| 12:37:39 | nems | Don't mind me.. i'm running on severe lack of sleep and I'm rather sarcastic right now... |
| 12:37:41 | nems | Actually... nevermind I'm like this all the time. |
| 12:38:19 | nems | I work for the government though and I hate to see bureacracy outside of it. (Or inside of it for that matter) |
| 12:39:28 | nems | Hehe.. we've spent 2 years before figuring out an application that should have taken 2 weeks, and then taken 2 weeks to figure out our implementation of Websphere within the department. |
| 12:39:41 | NoRemorse | hmm |
| 12:40:05 | nems | not that I'm bitter ;) |
| 12:40:18 | nems | Anyways.. since I seem like I'm talking to myself now, I'll shut up. |
| 12:40:32 | NoRemorse | hehe |
| 12:45:38 | nems | KDE is very QT-ish right? |
| 12:45:45 | nems | I mean KDE uses a lot of packages based on QT? |
| 12:45:59 | hunger | nems: KDE is based on QT. |
| 12:46:07 | nems | Ok. I thought so but wasnt positive. |
| 12:47:13 | hunger | nems: The original KDE announcement was about building a Desktop environment based on QT. |
| 12:48:06 | hunger | feels old having seen the original announcement of KDE ;-) |
| 12:49:06 | nems | heh.. I did too.. but back then I used slackware and didnt believe in GUI's. ... boy we were stupid when we were young. ;> |
| 12:49:28 | hunger | nems: I still don't believe in GUIs for most tasks;-) |
| 12:49:36 | nems | I believe in gui's whole heartedly. |
| 12:49:40 | hunger | nems: Maybe I am still young? ;-) |
| 12:49:47 | nems | How else am I going to fit 15 terminal windows in one screen :) |
| 12:50:09 | hunger | nems: Well, that's not actually 'using' a GUI, is it? |
| 12:50:15 | nems | The sad part is, that really is all I use my X sessions for =) |
| 12:50:26 | hunger | nems: I prefer to call that graphical terminal multiplexing. |
| 12:50:30 | nems | Hehe |
| 12:50:36 | nems | You should have went into marketing. :) |
| 12:51:04 | nems | "And this machine supports a new function we call Graphical Terminal Multiplexing which will allow you to get work done at much faster rates of speed!" |
| 12:51:23 | NoRemorse | dood |
| 12:51:28 | NoRemorse | GTM |
| 12:51:32 | nems | GTM? |
| 12:51:33 | NoRemorse | get it right |
| 12:51:39 | nems | Ahh |
| 12:51:40 | NoRemorse | :) |
| 12:51:58 | nems | I'm just looking for a new addressbook app. I love tux_mike's app, but it doesnt quite do what I need it to. |
| 12:53:06 | ljp | nems: what would you change? |
| 12:53:59 | NoRemorse | i am outta here bye all |
| 12:54:39 | Cloud | i use tkc's address book.. seems fine to me |
| 12:54:49 | nems | My biggest complaints aren't really all that big. If its flagged a business, it will show a business name / phone number, if its flagged home it does first & last/home phone. Support to change the preferences of how it displays in general (i.e. if you want to show names and email address on the default view) |
| 12:54:57 | nems | Cloud : DOes it fix those problems? :) |
| 12:55:35 | nems | Cloud : Btw, you ever get zmame to work? ;) |
| 12:59:15 | zecke | nems whats wrong? |
| 12:59:25 | nems | Wasnt sure if I was still here or not. |
| 13:00:07 | ljp | you arent, really |
| 13:00:17 | nems | pokes cloud with a stick. |
| 13:00:20 | zecke | it's just a dream |
| 13:00:45 | nems | You're all just a figment of my imagination anyways. |
| 13:01:40 | ljp | no, _you're_ a figment of _my_ imagination |
| 13:01:57 | nems | Damnit. Stop backtalking me, imagination. |
| 13:02:06 | nems | ;) |
| 13:02:27 | ljp | hehe |
| 13:02:54 | ljp | "this is your tummy speaking.. feed me oatmeal" |
| 13:03:09 | nems | lol... you're a very odd person ljp. We'll get along fine. |
| 13:03:50 | ljp | I'm not odd.. the rest of the worls is whats odd... I am the most normal person onthe earth |
| 13:03:59 | nems | For some definition of normal. |
| 13:04:04 | ljp | hehe |
| 13:04:12 | ljp | normal == me |
| 13:04:43 | nems | return false; |
| 13:04:46 | nems | ;) |
| 13:06:23 | ljp | hehe |
| 13:06:31 | Twiun | Yo |
| 13:06:36 | nems | heya twui |
| 13:06:38 | nems | err Twiun |
| 13:06:53 | Twiun | how goes it? |
| 13:07:06 | nems | not bad.. trying to get YoSucker to work :) |
| 13:07:25 | Twiun | YoSucker? |
| 13:07:39 | nems | It sucks your yahoo mail into procmail |
| 13:08:25 | Twiun | Ahhh |
| 13:08:54 | Twiun | anything like that available for hotsnail? |
| 13:09:00 | Twiun | erm... hotmail even |
| 13:09:01 | nems | No idea. :) |
| 13:09:11 | nems | I'd be surprised if there wasnt, but no idea what it'd be called. |
| 13:09:16 | nems | Nothing near as cool as YoSucker :) |
| 13:10:42 | Twiun | I'm sure ;) |
| 13:12:27 | benmeyer | morning |
| 13:13:05 | nems | heya benmeyer |
| 13:13:28 | ljp | whats shakin' benmeyer? |
| 13:15:33 | Twiun | Hey ben |
| 13:17:05 | Speedy2 | Hey ben |
| 13:25:32 | benmeyer | Morning |
| 13:25:43 | benmeyer | Thinking about re-doing ipkg |
| 13:26:03 | benmeyer | ipkg seems like a project that was just slapped together |
| 13:26:08 | nems | Oh? qipkg? or oipkg? |
| 13:26:12 | benmeyer | both |
| 13:26:29 | benmeyer | already did oipkg which is why I think I need to redo qipkg |
| 13:26:41 | benmeyer | not qipkg, but ipkg |
| 13:26:42 | Harlekin | lol |
| 13:26:44 | benmeyer | the console tool |
| 13:26:47 | nems | Ahh |
| 13:26:59 | benmeyer | i.e. there should be a library that they can both access |
| 13:27:11 | benmeyer | Where is the Settings class in opie? |
| 13:29:24 | benmeyer | never mind |
| 13:29:28 | benmeyer | I mean config |
| 13:29:31 | benmeyer | :-D |
| 13:29:36 | zecke | lol |
| 13:29:41 | Harlekin | too |
| 13:29:56 | Harlekin | benmeyer: do yourself a favor and just use oipkg |
| 13:30:00 | zecke | benmeyer: why do you care for Opie? You work for Sharp at least you told it on the KDE mls |
| 13:30:22 | Speedy2 | Why would he not care for it? |
| 13:30:53 | benmeyer | I do work for sharp |
| 13:30:57 | zecke | Speedy2: I think Sharp got other problems to solve |
| 13:31:10 | benmeyer | I care for opie because if Opie suceeds Sharp suceeds |
| 13:31:22 | zecke | benmeyer: ? |
| 13:31:23 | benmeyer | Opie goes up = Sharp sales go up |
| 13:31:35 | zecke | benmeyer: Opie not Qtopia? |
| 13:31:42 | benmeyer | Opie is Qtopia |
| 13:31:45 | Harlekin | no |
| 13:31:47 | benmeyer | yes |
| 13:31:48 | zecke | no |
| 13:31:49 | benmeyer | yes |
| 13:31:51 | benmeyer | ;_d |
| 13:31:52 | ljp | no |
| 13:31:54 | Harlekin | benmeyer: how should you know |
| 13:31:55 | benmeyer | for the morst part |
| 13:31:58 | benmeyer | yes I do know |
| 13:32:05 | zecke | benmeyer: and Linux is Windoze |
| 13:32:10 | benmeyer | hmmm |
| 13:32:16 | Harlekin | zecke: both have windows |
| 13:32:18 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 13:32:20 | ljp | opie was based on qtopia, but it is more than qtopia |
| 13:32:25 | benmeyer | yes |
| 13:32:28 | Harlekin | zecke: and on both there is netscape |
| 13:32:30 | benmeyer | exactly |
| 13:32:30 | Harlekin | ... |
| 13:32:35 | ljp | but it is not qtopia |
| 13:32:35 | zecke | benmeyer: checkout qpe |
| 13:32:38 | zecke | and opie |
| 13:32:42 | benmeyer | no it is not qtopia, but it has qtopia |
| 13:32:44 | zecke | and do a diff |
| 13:32:54 | benmeyer | and anything that I made for Opie can go back into my Zaurus |
| 13:33:14 | Harlekin | depend how long |
| 13:33:16 | Harlekin | s |
| 13:33:26 | benmeyer | i.e. if I write a package manager to replace the junk that the Zaurus currently has I might as well write it for Opie so everyone can enjoy it |
| 13:33:46 | Harlekin | but since opie has allready a very good one coming .... |
| 13:33:47 | benmeyer | i.e. open source it |
| 13:34:11 | benmeyer | I am not saying that the gui is a bad app |
| 13:34:13 | zecke | benmeyer: are you sure you can release it as OpenSource? |
| 13:34:19 | Harlekin | if sharp whats to do something they should evaluate ( do the sun tests) for jeode on openzaurus |
| 13:34:22 | benmeyer | I am saying that the underlying design of the ipk system is flawed |
| 13:34:26 | benmeyer | yes I am sure |
| 13:34:34 | benmeyer | I ahve already contributed a number of apps to opie |
| 13:34:40 | Harlekin | right |
| 13:34:42 | benmeyer | I have the permission of my bosses, bosses, bos |
| 13:34:42 | zecke | benmeyer: how can that pass QA Sharp Japan? |
| 13:34:45 | Harlekin | the wireless setting apps |
| 13:34:56 | zecke | benmeyer: which apps? |
| 13:35:01 | benmeyer | the wireless settings app |
| 13:35:09 | benmeyer | backup tool, servermanager, tab manager |
| 13:35:10 | Speedy2 | Java...blah |
| 13:35:22 | Harlekin | Speedy2: some companies need it |
| 13:35:24 | benmeyer | back and server source was lost in a horible accident, but that is beside the point |
| 13:35:29 | Speedy2 | Some companies should give up on it |
| 13:35:34 | benmeyer | they would have been open sourced |
| 13:35:36 | BigBoss | howdy |
| 13:35:40 | benmeyer | Hello |
| 13:35:44 | zecke | benmeyer: backup app? |
| 13:35:54 | zecke | benmeyer: servermanager? |
| 13:35:59 | Harlekin | ah Mister " no our apps do not imitate XP look" |
| 13:36:01 | Harlekin | lol |
| 13:36:18 | zecke | benmeyer: the tab manager is very problematic |
| 13:36:18 | Twiun | Heyup BB |
| 13:36:25 | benmeyer | I wrote a backup app that allows you to backup just your settings (i.e. 12K and not 5MB for a backup). It was more powerfull then the current one |
| 13:36:26 | Cloud | sorry nems, i had to run out real quick |
| 13:36:29 | nems | np Cloud |
| 13:36:30 | Cloud | never got zmame to work |
| 13:36:38 | nems | hehe.. |
| 13:36:43 | Cloud | checking on the address thingy now |
| 13:36:44 | nems | What was the other question I asked? |
| 13:36:46 | nems | Ahh, ok thanks. |
| 13:36:48 | benmeyer | zeche: yes the tab manger was much more of a quick hack and a better more intigrated solution is being sought |
| 13:36:49 | Twiun | benmeyer: Cool... can you back up installed apps+settings too? |
| 13:37:05 | benmeyer | yes, but the app was never fully finished |
| 13:37:12 | benmeyer | I would tar.gz the entire thing |
| 13:37:37 | zecke | benmeyer: then the look n' feel is not Opie nor Qt/E style |
| 13:37:40 | benmeyer | which seemed to have a bug if your system was already pretty full sense memory couldn't be alocated for gzip |
| 13:37:57 | benmeyer | I will be making a better new one anyway sense the source was lost |
| 13:38:14 | benmeyer | zeche: I don't understand what you mean |
| 13:38:47 | Harlekin | need to reread the log from yesterday about BB, was soo funny |
| 13:38:56 | Cloud | nems: regarding tkc address, you can change your view to several different things |
| 13:39:11 | nems | Harlekin : What log? |
| 13:39:14 | Cloud | there's an email view, a list view, a card view a telephone book view |
| 13:39:16 | Harlekin | NettreboR: # log |
| 13:39:23 | Harlekin | nems: # log |
| 13:39:54 | Cloud | and the tabs are editable so i added an a-z tab which shows all my contacts in one list |
| 13:39:56 | nems | Ya lost me? |
| 13:40:24 | Cloud | ok when you open address book |
| 13:40:25 | BigBoss | Harlekin: what are you talking about? |
| 13:40:35 | Harlekin | hehe |
| 13:40:42 | Cloud | you have on the right tabs..123, abc, def etc right? |
| 13:40:48 | Harlekin | BigBoss: your conversation yesterday with tboc |
| 13:40:55 | Harlekin | very funny to reread it over |
| 13:41:04 | tboc | ;) |
| 13:41:07 | BigBoss | it was entertaining at the time as well |
| 13:41:17 | Harlekin | sure |
| 13:41:21 | nems | got a log I can read since it was so humorous? :) |
| 13:41:24 | Cloud | so you click on abc and see all your contacts that fit in that rage |
| 13:41:26 | Cloud | range |
| 13:41:28 | Harlekin | BigBoss: youre quite a good entertainer |
| 13:41:31 | zecke | benmeyer: why do you care for Opie? |
| 13:41:52 | Cloud | at the top there's a icon that lets you change your default view |
| 13:41:56 | Harlekin | BigBoss: i allready posted the log to other people along with screenshots |
| 13:41:59 | Speedy2 | zecke: I think he answered that. |
| 13:42:07 | Cloud | and there's several choices for that |
| 13:42:08 | Harlekin | BigBoss: can still hear them laughing |
| 13:42:23 | benmeyer | zeche: Because I want to have a fully open sourced rom |
| 13:42:25 | BigBoss | Harlekin: glad to hear it |
| 13:42:27 | nems | zecke: Because other alternatives are good. Hardware is more likely to succeed when it has more choices. |
| 13:42:59 | benmeyer | zeche: from a company standpoint I care for opie because any development on the Z is good development. |
| 13:43:14 | Harlekin | BigBoss: so you still think your apps do not imitate /copy the ugly look from win XP? |
| 13:43:20 | benmeyer | i.e. turns into hardware sales at some point |
| 13:43:38 | Harlekin | benmeyer: the question is if it will be sharp hardware |
| 13:43:43 | BigBoss | Harlekin: I suppose despite your contention that you read what I said, you either didn't read it or didn't understand it |
| 13:43:58 | ljp | but what sharp really needs is people from the windows world to be able to use it, and buy it instead of pocketpc |
| 13:43:59 | BigBoss | what I said is that we use an XP them from Qt3 that we back ported to Qt/e 2 |
| 13:44:01 | zecke | benmeyer: but Opie runs better on iPAQs |
| 13:44:10 | benmeyer | oh? |
| 13:44:12 | benmeyer | how so? |
| 13:44:14 | zecke | benmeyer: cause that is the basis for most Opie developer |
| 13:44:20 | benmeyer | ok |
| 13:44:25 | zecke | benmeyer: I won a Z but it's not usable at all |
| 13:44:26 | benmeyer | That is fine with me |
| 13:44:28 | Harlekin | benmeyer: more support from "the new hp" |
| 13:44:37 | benmeyer | what was wrong with it? |
| 13:44:39 | Harlekin | no support from sharp |
| 13:44:55 | ljp | how so? |
| 13:44:56 | zecke | benmeyer: it's freezing on heavy io or cpu usage |
| 13:45:13 | zecke | benmeyer: usb networking supports one ping |
| 13:45:16 | benmeyer | Indeed because of lack of support I was hired |
| 13:45:28 | BigBoss | Harlekin: and while you might think it ugly, a great majority of PDA users come from the Windows world and it is comfortable for them to have a similar look |
| 13:45:39 | zecke | benmeyer: opie player freezes the whole Z (it's not an opieplayer bug ) |
| 13:45:46 | zecke | benmeyer: official rom is freezing too |
| 13:45:51 | benmeyer | zecke: are these hardware or softawre issues you are refuring too? |
| 13:45:55 | Harlekin | BigBoss: 10 % off the apps breaking the look and feel, they will like it |
| 13:46:01 | Harlekin | BigBoss: but ok |
| 13:46:05 | zecke | benmeyer: KDE/GNOME will only have syncing support with Opie on iPAQs |
| 13:46:14 | zecke | benmeyer: hardware |
| 13:46:22 | BigBoss | Harlekin: tell me what is different about the look and feel? The only visible difference is the scroll bar |
| 13:46:35 | BigBoss | the icons are the icons and since we make icons for our apps, they are what we make them |
| 13:46:35 | zecke | benmeyer: they occur randomly and I know the Opie src |
| 13:46:41 | benmeyer | zecke: Would you like me to not encurage work on opie? I am very confused? |
| 13:46:43 | ljp | so you guys are excluding the zaurus from syncin gin your kitchesync? |
| 13:46:58 | zecke | ljp: no |
| 13:46:59 | Harlekin | ljp: ? |
| 13:47:07 | Harlekin | ljp: no, openzaurus syncs great |
| 13:47:11 | Harlekin | allready |
| 13:47:13 | Harlekin | now |
| 13:47:17 | benmeyer | on the z? |
| 13:47:19 | zecke | ljp: KitchenSync is OpenSource development |
| 13:47:42 | zecke | benmeyer: ljp: I can not gurantee that it's working on a Z |
| 13:47:51 | benmeyer | zecke: do you doubt that I have done open source work before? |
| 13:47:51 | zecke | benmeyer: yes on a Z with Opie |
| 13:47:57 | zecke | benmeyer: no |
| 13:47:59 | benmeyer | http://www.csh.rit.edu/~benjamin/desktop/programs.shtml |
| 13:48:18 | zecke | benmeyer: you did kaim |
| 13:48:22 | nems | Everyone is in a vicious mood today, aren't they? ;) |
| 13:48:22 | benmeyer | yup |
| 13:48:39 | benmeyer | I also am a core kde developer |
| 13:48:51 | benmeyer | but that is besides the point |
| 13:49:01 | benmeyer | I like the idea behind opie and would like to see it succeed |
| 13:49:12 | zecke | benmeyer: it's just Sharp thats let me think their developers are not allowed to do OpenSource work |
| 13:49:25 | ljp | zecke: I have no real problems with eother of my Z's freezing |
| 13:49:27 | zecke | benmeyer: core kde developer? Not at the KDE3 development |
| 13:49:36 | benmeyer | I can forward you the e-mail that gives me permission |
| 13:49:38 | nems | I've not had any problems with my Z freezing either. |
| 13:49:45 | tboc | zecke: btw. i've never had problems with my Z like freezing ... how comes? |
| 13:49:56 | zecke | nems: I can give you mine. It's no use for me :( |
| 13:50:04 | nems | Actually... I've frozen it a few times testing scrolling on opie player :) |
| 13:50:06 | zecke | SL 5000d |
| 13:50:08 | nems | zecke: Want me to pay shipping? |
| 13:50:12 | benmeyer | zecke: Just got married, moved, new job. So maybe I havn't been the most active developer at all |
| 13:50:19 | tboc | zecke: ah, got a 5500 ... maybe thats why |
| 13:50:28 | zecke | yes |
| 13:50:48 | ljp | no, I have two 5000d's and experience no freeze up using sharps one on one and openzaurus on the other |
| 13:51:09 | benmeyer | trust me getting married == free time going bye bye |
| 13:51:19 | Speedy2 | That's not always a bad thing ;) |
| 13:51:42 | nems | Hehe.. no it isnt. I'm going on my 1st anniversary honeymoon this week =) |
| 13:51:52 | Speedy2 | ahem...cough cough |
| 13:51:53 | Speedy2 | :) |
| 13:52:37 | nems | brb.. work calls. |
| 14:27:10 | Cloud | - |
| 14:36:13 | nems | + |
| 14:40:34 | nems | Sigh. I hate sendmail. |
| 14:42:41 | Twiun | +++ |
| 14:44:49 | Cloud | hiya twiun ;) |
| 14:45:13 | ljp_work | I hate sendmail, too thats why I dont use it |
| 14:48:40 | nems | ljp: what do you use instead? |
| 14:49:04 | ljp_work | kmail |
| 14:49:05 | nems | ljp: all I'm trying to do actually is get procmail to sort my YoSucker incoming mail into a normal mail spool instead of a text file. |
| 14:49:17 | nems | But I couldnt get procmail working right so I setup sendmail t otest it |
| 14:49:22 | nems | and I cant get sendmail setup right. ;p |
| 14:51:15 | JasonNJ | morning. |
| 14:51:21 | Speedy2 | Hey Jason |
| 14:52:16 | Twiun | Heya Jason |
| 14:53:36 | Wembly | the sd card has some kinda copy protection and junk.. but how does that work? |
| 14:55:01 | Twiun | JasonNJ: Think Sharp UK need a Java programmer by any chance? |
| 14:58:19 | bipolar | JasonNJ: hiya! been a while |
| 15:05:43 | mark | hi bipolar |
| 15:05:51 | bipolar | hi mark |
| 15:08:22 | BigBoss | bipolar lives |
| 15:09:04 | bipolar | is getting married next saturday |
| 15:09:16 | mark | wow,c ool |
| 15:09:23 | ljp_work | wow cool, we'll have to have an irc party for you |
| 15:09:28 | Speedy2 | Congrats bipolar |
| 15:09:29 | bipolar | I'm already exausted |
| 15:09:34 | ljp_work | whens the bachelor party? |
| 15:09:35 | bipolar | thanks Speedy2 |
| 15:09:44 | bipolar | ljp_work: sorry, no party. :) |
| 15:09:45 | Speedy2 | bipolar: Pre-marital bliss? :) |
| 15:10:01 | bipolar | Speedy2: Pre-Marital insanity is more like it |
| 15:10:23 | fargo | anyone know of any tools for working on the reiserfs on a handheld? |
| 15:11:01 | quork | I tried to flash my zaurus with the current oz beta10 but it won't work. The LEDs are blinking and nothing is done. |
| 15:11:12 | hunger | fargo: You want reiserfs on your handheld? |
| 15:11:24 | mark | quork: after its done, are you doing a full reset again? |
| 15:11:25 | hunger | fargo: You know that the logs use up 32MB? |
| 15:11:36 | quork | mark: yep |
| 15:11:57 | quork | mark: light kept blinking for about 20 Minutes before I did a reset |
| 15:12:11 | mark | quork: shouldn't be blinking, should be consistantly on |
| 15:12:31 | quork | marK: I think so, what may be wrong? |
| 15:12:58 | mark | quork: file system on the CF card, problem with the files? |
| 15:13:28 | hunger | quork: Check the filenames of the things on the CF card. |
| 15:13:34 | quork | mark: filesystem: should be fat, I can read the card without problems |
| 15:13:52 | quork | mark: files: copied bootflag.txt, initrd.bin and zimage |
| 15:13:55 | mark | quork: fat32 yeh? |
| 15:14:02 | quork | mark: hmmm |
| 15:14:09 | hunger | quork: I accedentally flashed the zImage and mistyped initrd.bin resulting the kernel getting flashed but no initrd. |
| 15:14:19 | quork | mark: don't know, will check this |
| 15:14:41 | quork | mark: nope, wether the initrd nor the zImage was flashed |
| 15:15:05 | quork | mark: what filesystem do I need? fat16? |
| 15:15:28 | mark | it should be fat32 |
| 15:16:05 | quork | mark: anything special with the files? what is the bootflag.txt for? |
| 15:16:22 | NetAmp | i just love RegEx (well, the ones that aren't too complex :P heh) |
| 15:17:30 | quork | mark: what's the easiest way to check what filesystem the cf has? |
| 15:17:37 | NetAmp | quork: hm I believe for extra parameters for the boot sequence... |
| 15:18:15 | mark | quork: reformatting it to known ones |
| 15:18:25 | quork | mark: *lol* |
| 15:18:29 | NetAmp | ;-) |
| 15:18:42 | NetAmp | hm there's a certain command for that... |
| 15:19:17 | NetAmp | err |
| 15:19:24 | NetAmp | `df -T` maybe? |
| 15:19:40 | quork | I have to leave, see you soon.. |
| 15:19:43 | NetAmp | -T, --print-type print filesystem type |
| 15:19:47 | NetAmp | C-ya |
| 15:20:41 | benmeyer | how do you compute the mp5sum of the computer md5sum? |
| 15:20:51 | benmeyer | computed |
| 15:23:10 | NetAmp | ? |
| 15:23:13 | NetAmp | mp5? |
| 15:23:50 | mark | is away: late siesta |
| 15:25:06 | benmeyer | http://www.palmos.com/dev/support/docs/zenofpalm/Enlightenment.html#940701 |
| 15:25:09 | nmendes | hi |
| 15:25:37 | | nmendes: no idea |
| 15:25:37 | nmendes | ibot: themes ? |
| 15:25:47 | | divx is a forn of MPEG4. |
| 15:25:47 | nmendes | ibot: divx ? |
| 15:25:52 | nmendes | duh |
| 15:26:19 | Speedy2 | pr0n, MPEG4, what? |
| 15:26:28 | NetAmp | ? |
| 15:26:30 | NetAmp | wahaha |
| 15:26:38 | nmendes | eheheh |
| 15:26:50 | Speedy2 | Wow, that's a lot of marketting CRAP on the PalmOS website |
| 15:26:55 | Speedy2 | Talk about utter crap... |
| 15:27:03 | nmendes | are there themes for qpe ? |
| 15:27:35 | warmi | hi |
| 15:27:37 | NetAmp | hrm.. how do I stop "<P>.+</P>" from going beond that </P> :S |
| 15:28:24 | NetAmp | weird.. I should read a regex tutorial ;) |
| 15:29:45 | nmendes | I've got Oreilly's regex book around here |
| 15:29:50 | NetAmp | sweet |
| 15:29:55 | nmendes | but it's always looked encrypted to me |
| 15:29:57 | nmendes | :] |
| 15:29:57 | NetAmp | those are really good books :) |
| 15:30:00 | NetAmp | hah |
| 15:30:08 | NetAmp | well you're not the only one ;) |
| 15:30:12 | nmendes | eheh |
| 15:30:36 | NetAmp | but they can be oh so useful for certain tasks |
| 15:31:07 | nmendes | exactly |
| 15:32:40 | nems | NetAmp : after promising all your base yesterday you ditched me ;p |
| 15:33:01 | NetAmp | yeah I'm sorry :( |
| 15:33:09 | NetAmp | I told you it was the wrong one, didn't I? |
| 15:33:11 | nems | its all good ;) |
| 15:33:15 | nems | Was it the gundam one? :/ |
| 15:33:23 | NetAmp | while I was dld'ing it, turned out to be a music vid. |
| 15:33:27 | nems | Bummer |
| 15:33:34 | NetAmp | yah |
| 15:33:45 | NetAmp | I tried some sites, but only SWF |
| 15:33:50 | NetAmp | that sucks |
| 15:33:59 | nems | I think I'm just going to reconvert it using quicktime and then re-add the music using a third program. |
| 15:34:05 | NetAmp | there's also a .MOV which could be convert it |
| 15:34:06 | Speedy2 | QuickTIME SUX |
| 15:34:09 | nems | Yes it does. |
| 15:34:10 | Speedy2 | Never use it |
| 15:34:12 | Speedy2 | make your stuff MPEG |
| 15:34:19 | nems | Speedy2 : you're missing our point. :p |
| 15:34:25 | nems | We're TRYING To make it mpeg. |
| 15:34:26 | nems | its in flash |
| 15:34:30 | Speedy2 | Ah |
| 15:34:33 | nems | Quicktime is the only thing that converts from flash to anything else. |
| 15:34:42 | Speedy2 | Well...just hit print screen a lot of times and make an animated BMP |
| 15:34:46 | NetAmp | *lol* |
| 15:34:48 | nems | heh |
| 15:34:50 | NetAmp | yeah right ;-) |
| 15:34:51 | nems | Thats sick |
| 15:34:54 | Speedy2 | ;) |
| 15:34:58 | NetAmp | pretty sick if you ask me :P |
| 15:34:59 | nems | Really twisted... I'm proud of you. |
| 15:35:03 | Speedy2 | hah |
| 15:35:05 | Speedy2 | Give me a Z then |
| 15:35:05 | NetAmp | good job! |
| 15:35:12 | Speedy2 | gets the "mad pr0ps" |
| 15:35:13 | nems | heh.. I've got one and its not goin anywhere. |
| 15:35:15 | NetAmp | well... I could, but I don't have one myself |
| 15:35:34 | Speedy2 | nems: That's a bit like a quote I am familair with: Life goin' no where, somebody help me, ah ah ah ah... |
| 15:36:12 | Speedy2 | is sad without his suond card and lack of ability to play MP3s. |
| 15:36:17 | Speedy2 | sound card even. |
| 15:36:54 | NetAmp | nems: you want the .mov? or do you already have it |
| 15:37:07 | nems | Sure, I could use the mov. |
| 15:37:14 | nems | dcc or ftp it to me? |
| 15:37:17 | Speedy2 | hrm |
| 15:37:18 | nems | wait |
| 15:37:21 | nems | is the mov with music? |
| 15:37:22 | Speedy2 | I have a MOV that should be seen by everyone |
| 15:37:23 | NetAmp | hm.. it's 1175kb |
| 15:37:32 | nems | That totally does not sound anywhere close to right. |
| 15:37:34 | nems | I'd watch it first. |
| 15:37:48 | NetAmp | I believe it has music... i'll see in a min. or two |
| 15:37:59 | nems | ok |
| 15:38:10 | Speedy2 | http://www.sr20power.com/phpBB/videos/misc/Dodge.mov |
| 15:38:12 | Speedy2 | Please watch this |
| 15:38:14 | Speedy2 | Seriously |
| 15:38:17 | Speedy2 | You'll laugh very hard |
| 15:38:19 | Speedy2 | You'll love it |
| 15:38:21 | nems | no mov player at work :/ |
| 15:38:23 | Speedy2 | It will become a part of you |
| 15:38:25 | nems | Dont use quicktime anywayws. |
| 15:38:25 | NetAmp | well, that is, the original sound... not the gundam mix stuff |
| 15:38:28 | nems | Quicktime sucks. :) |
| 15:38:30 | Speedy2 | yeah |
| 15:38:31 | Speedy2 | Agreed |
| 15:38:34 | Speedy2 | But what can you do? |
| 15:38:37 | nems | Convert it. |
| 15:38:41 | Speedy2 | If I had a Klondike bar, I would |
| 15:38:49 | Speedy2 | Well, actually, I don't have access to any tools that will |
| 15:38:51 | nems | I wouldnt use quicktime for a klondyke bar. |
| 15:38:53 | Speedy2 | Maybe Adobe Premiere might |
| 15:38:57 | nems | Speedy2 : www.freshmeat.net :p |
| 15:39:00 | nems | or google |
| 15:39:04 | Speedy2 | nems: Sorry, I've tried |
| 15:39:08 | nems | Bah :p |
| 15:39:15 | Speedy2 | Lose2000 here |
| 15:39:43 | NetAmp | hah ;) cool movie |
| 15:41:43 | | kergoth was last seen on #zaurus 16 hours, 56 minutes and 49 seconds ago, saying: heh [Tue Jun 18 23:44:54 2002] |
| 15:41:43 | benmeyer | ibot seen kergoth |
| 15:42:16 | warmi | anyone here familiar with StoryServer from Vignette ? |
| 15:42:18 | NetAmp | nems: it's sending... |
| 15:42:30 | NetAmp | DCC |
| 15:42:48 | nems | NetAmp: and its the whole movie with music? |
| 15:42:52 | nems | That seems way small. |
| 15:42:56 | nmendes | ahahahah |
| 15:43:00 | nmendes | aries |
| 15:43:16 | NetAmp | well no only the space ship part :S |
| 15:43:20 | nems | doh |
| 15:43:22 | nems | Bleh :/ |
| 15:43:24 | NetAmp | but it's probably better than nothing :P |
| 15:43:32 | nmendes | http://whitehat.gep.pt/flash/fun/codigo.swf |
| 15:43:40 | nmendes | whatch these new driving rules |
| 15:43:58 | NetAmp | hah ;) |
| 15:43:59 | nmendes | s/whatch/watch |
| 15:45:42 | NetAmp | nems: there's also an ASF file |
| 15:45:53 | NetAmp | it's 7MB |
| 15:45:58 | NetAmp | could be complete.. |
| 15:46:20 | NetAmp | at least it has original sound ;) |
| 15:46:38 | | mark was last seen on #opie 22 minutes and 48 seconds ago, saying: is away: late siesta [Wed Jun 19 16:23:50 2002] |
| 15:46:38 | warmi | ibot seen mark |
| 15:48:28 | NetAmp | nems: yep, seems to be it this time :) |
| 15:48:37 | nems | NetAmp : woohoo! :) |
| 15:48:38 | NetAmp | with the picture slide show |
| 15:48:43 | NetAmp | and the music |
| 15:48:55 | NetAmp | asf shouldn't be too hard to make mpeg |
| 15:49:09 | benmeyer | sigh... |
| 15:51:29 | nems | Whats wrong ben? |
| 15:53:59 | benmeyer | too many things |
| 15:55:08 | warmi | sounds familiar |
| 15:56:07 | ljp_ | mmmmmm espresso |
| 15:56:25 | ljp_ | ever tried writing code without espresso? |
| 15:56:28 | nmendes | eheh |
| 15:56:35 | Harlekin | ljp_: sure |
| 15:56:41 | warmi | yeah ... you can substitute beer there |
| 15:56:42 | ljp_ | impossible! |
| 15:56:45 | nmendes | there are ones who write with CodeRed |
| 15:56:48 | ljp_ | heh |
| 15:56:48 | warmi | but it only works for a short while |
| 15:56:56 | Harlekin | ljp_: a tr("Weizen") or tr("Radler") is often better |
| 15:57:05 | NetAmp | yeah I substitute coke (the softdrink, not harddrugs :P) |
| 15:57:15 | nmendes | eheh |
| 15:57:19 | ljp_ | I can't focus when I drink alcohol and try to code |
| 15:57:36 | warmi | ljp: me niether ... I start singing about constructors etc |
| 15:57:43 | nmendes | eheheh |
| 15:57:45 | ljp_ | hahaha |
| 15:58:09 | Speedy2 | espresso |
| 15:58:17 | Speedy2 | The logic minimization software? |
| 15:58:44 | ljp_ | hehehe noooo. |
| 15:59:20 | NetAmp | nems: I got the asf from kazaa, though it seems to be a bit corrupted |
| 15:59:30 | Twiun | here's something funny ;-) http://theregister.co.uk/content/28/25800.html |
| 15:59:32 | NetAmp | maybe it can still be converted |
| 16:00:24 | NetAmp | hah |
| 16:01:57 | NetAmp | nems: still dcc it? |
| 16:02:04 | warmi | mother of all disclaimers - hehehe |
| 16:02:15 | NetAmp | heh yeah |
| 16:02:20 | nmendes | ahahah |
| 16:02:35 | nmendes | Micromuse rules |
| 16:03:01 | Twiun | Now for the hard part... guess which company I work for ;-) |
| 16:03:15 | nmendes | hmmm |
| 16:03:15 | ljp_ | MICROS~1? |
| 16:03:18 | nmendes | Micromuse ?! |
| 16:03:19 | NetAmp | ahhhhhhhhh |
| 16:03:24 | warmi | riversoft |
| 16:03:30 | NetAmp | the register? |
| 16:03:33 | NetAmp | :P |
| 16:03:35 | ljp_ | sharp? |
| 16:03:36 | warmi | Twiun [~smeslinw@gateway.riversoft.com] |
| 16:03:37 | nmendes | The Hustler ?! |
| 16:03:40 | Twiun | warmi: well done ;-) |
| 16:03:46 | nmendes | eheh |
| 16:03:58 | nmendes | well, it could be spoofed :p |
| 16:04:02 | mark | hi warmi |
| 16:04:05 | NetAmp | ;-) |
| 16:04:13 | warmi | hi mark .. I see you got 4 customers already |
| 16:04:18 | mark | warmi: 5 now ;) |
| 16:05:16 | nmendes | ah.. excellent acl I made for Squid |
| 16:05:21 | warmi | yep , wait couple of more days and you will have enough cash for a wireless card |
| 16:05:22 | Wembly | the sd card has some kinda copy protection and junk.. but how does that work? |
| 16:05:27 | nmendes | I'm going to name it... "HTMLDoS" |
| 16:05:50 | mark | warmi: I hope so... |
| 16:05:57 | ljp_ | can I make a zaurus app with dhtml? |
| 16:06:00 | Twiun | Wembly: afaik, on the Z, it doesn't |
| 16:06:12 | mark | warmi: up to 6 now hehe. going fairly quickly |
| 16:06:14 | benmeyer | hey anyone here good with shell scripts? |
| 16:06:18 | Wembly | how is it supposed to work tho? |
| 16:06:27 | warmi | mark: you won't see your first check until the amount they owe you is at least $100 |
| 16:06:44 | mark | warmi: yeh, which means 13 sales |
| 16:06:48 | warmi | in any case , you won't see it for another month or so |
| 16:07:30 | ljp_ | benmeyer: kergoth is the scripting meister |
| 16:07:34 | benmeyer | I want to write a script that checks domain names starting at a then b... then aa...etc and prints out any that arn't taken testing up to 4 letters or whatnot. How would I do that in a shell script |
| 16:07:54 | Wembly | *shudders* |
| 16:08:21 | mark | benmeyer: they are all taken iirc |
| 16:08:23 | benmeyer | fun, XBox mode chips are out |
| 16:08:40 | benmeyer | well my friend ran it a few months ago and got jadn.com |
| 16:08:45 | benmeyer | just another domain name |
| 16:09:05 | mark | hehe, oh well, maybe its all of 3 characters that are taken |
| 16:09:25 | mark | warmi: yep, it may even be enough to pay for a fatter pipe |
| 16:09:36 | warmi | hehe |
| 16:10:12 | Wembly | yes all 3 char names are taken. |
| 16:10:33 | warmi | how much is this fatter pipe ? |
| 16:10:40 | benmeyer | well I am more thinking 4-7 chars |
| 16:11:05 | mark | warmi: 5 sales a month == ADSL for me. 20 gbp per month or so |
| 16:11:20 | Wembly | mark: congrads :) |
| 16:11:32 | tux_mike | mark: what did you write? |
| 16:11:54 | mark | tux_mike: Knights/E |
| 16:11:58 | Wembly | so how is the sd stuff supposed to work? |
| 16:12:13 | tux_mike | cool |
| 16:12:29 | tux_mike | warmi: did you release the full version of puzz-le yet? |
| 16:12:55 | warmi | huh ? it has been out for like a month now |
| 16:12:57 | warmi | hehe |
| 16:13:12 | Nadav | heh |
| 16:13:12 | tux_mike | you charging for it, like your original plan? :) |
| 16:13:34 | warmi | yeah, with the source code being availble for people who would rather compile it themselves |
| 16:13:50 | tux_mike | anyone buy it yet? :) |
| 16:14:12 | warmi | yeah, I got enough sales to get me a network card + SD card + some other minor stuff |
| 16:14:20 | tux_mike | cool |
| 16:14:31 | warmi | nothing major but still ... I was going to release it anyway |
| 16:14:42 | mark | warmi: can you do me a quick favour? just send a blank message to support@houseoffish.org, i'm not sure its working |
| 16:15:12 | ljp_ | finds a spam lister |
| 16:15:13 | warmi | yeah, |
| 16:15:35 | warmi | you should get en email from wrawdanik@tribune.com |
| 16:15:51 | ljp_ | and a few from sexxx.com |
| 16:15:59 | warmi | that's another story |
| 16:16:01 | warmi | hehe |
| 16:16:02 | mark | ljp_: hehe |
| 16:16:13 | mark | warmi: got it, cheers |
| 16:16:29 | nmendes | grr |
| 16:16:36 | warmi | surprisingly fast considering the fact that tribune runs MS Exchange |
| 16:16:38 | mark | I should do some more piano practise. :/ |
| 16:16:46 | mark | warmi: heh |
| 16:16:48 | nmendes | how can I cancel a 'ping' from the terminal ? |
| 16:16:54 | nmendes | ctrl-c... |
| 16:16:54 | ljp_ | ya dont forget that metronome |
| 16:16:58 | warmi | try fn+c |
| 16:17:02 | nmendes | k |
| 16:17:09 | mark | nmendes: or close the terminal |
| 16:17:10 | warmi | does it work ? |
| 16:17:14 | ljp_ | rebooting wil lalso stop ping |
| 16:17:16 | nmendes | hmm |
| 16:17:24 | nmendes | ljp: really? |
| 16:17:25 | nmendes | :p |
| 16:17:25 | | faq is at http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/zaurus-faq/ or at http://www.handhelds.org/handhelds-faq/handhelds-faq.html or at http://adorphuye.com/zaurus/java/faq.jsp |
| 16:17:25 | warmi | ibot faq |
| 16:17:30 | mark | so will hitting it with a sledgehammer |
| 16:17:44 | warmi | if it doesn't then there is a faq explaining how to do this stuff on teh Zaurus |
| 16:17:48 | nmendes | well... I'm working via fbvnc |
| 16:18:02 | warmi | oh .. that's another story .. I have no clue |
| 16:18:04 | warmi | hehe |
| 16:18:06 | nmendes | don't know how can I press fn-c ... |
| 16:18:08 | nmendes | :] |
| 16:18:16 | nmendes | I'll just close the terminal. |
| 16:18:16 | mark | ctrl C |
| 16:18:23 | warmi | hahaha |
| 16:18:23 | nmendes | it appears 'c' |
| 16:18:26 | mark | warmi: does what work? |
| 16:18:38 | mark | nmendes: interesting... |
| 16:18:48 | warmi | .. I was asking nmendes |
| 16:19:00 | nmendes | nothing worked |
| 16:19:10 | nmendes | unless closing terminal |
| 16:19:31 | nmendes | another thing is... my terminal doesn't have the option to open a new session |
| 16:19:36 | nmendes | is this normal ?! |
| 16:19:38 | warmi | there is your lesson .. do not fire up ping without specifying number of times it should run |
| 16:19:45 | ljp_ | nmendes: which terminal? where did you download it from? |
| 16:19:54 | nmendes | warmi: no no... do not fire ping to alive hosts! :) |
| 16:19:59 | nmendes | ljp: from qpe feeds |
| 16:20:01 | warmi | hehe |
| 16:20:10 | nmendes | zauruszone I believe |
| 16:20:13 | diclophis | z0r |
| 16:20:27 | warmi | you mean zorro ? |
| 16:20:37 | diclophis | anyone have any tips on gettin a cross compiling enviroment setup on win32? |
| 16:20:48 | ljp_ | cause I believe the opie terminal has a hack in it to to send ctrl-C |
| 16:20:54 | nmendes | it's qpe-terminal 1.0.5 |
| 16:20:57 | warmi | diclophis: I don't think it is possible at this point |
| 16:21:15 | diclophis | hmmm |
| 16:21:19 | nmendes | ljp: as well as this new session button ... but I don't have it |
| 16:21:23 | warmi | or crosscompiling .. |
| 16:21:34 | warmi | or -> oh |
| 16:21:41 | warmi | crosscompiling should be possible |
| 16:21:53 | warmi | I thought you were asking about entire development enviroment |
| 16:22:15 | diclophis | well.. like i have vc++.. i jsut need some tips as to howto setup the whoel deal |
| 16:22:21 | diclophis | with the qt libs and stuff |
| 16:22:30 | warmi | there are two issues.. |
| 16:22:35 | ljp_ | qpe dev is only on linux |
| 16:23:12 | warmi | mostly because there is no VC++ friendly qpe libs |
| 16:23:28 | warmi | you can do as I do .. compiling and testing your apps on Windows using VC++ |
| 16:23:35 | warmi | and doing finalcompile on Linux |
| 16:23:40 | diclophis | right... |
| 16:23:43 | treke | diclophis : sources.redhat.com. Download cygwin |
| 16:23:55 | diclophis | what about the virtual framebuffer and stuff |
| 16:23:59 | diclophis | is there a windows port of that |
| 16:24:00 | diclophis | ? |
| 16:24:01 | ljp_ | in the next month or so, opie will have a bootable dev cd where the env is setup, so you windows users can boot up linux on cd and develop stuff for qpe |
| 16:24:02 | warmi | that won't work |
| 16:24:05 | warmi | no |
| 16:24:23 | mark | ljp_: where do you save projectgs and stuff? |
| 16:24:24 | warmi | the way I do it is to use standard Windows qt distribution to compile programs |
| 16:24:29 | treke | then build the compiler: http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/HOWTO%20Build%20a%20Cross%20Toolchain%20in%20Brief |
| 16:24:43 | ljp_ | mark: it will save on disk if you want.. |
| 16:24:44 | warmi | just making sure that my windows size matches Zaurus screensize |
| 16:24:56 | warmi | sort of like a hack but it does work |
| 16:25:27 | ljp_ | mark: it will be based on knoppix |
| 16:26:38 | diclophis | hmmm this isnt a good thing... are they going to come out with more windows friendly development envirments... |
| 16:26:48 | Harlekin | joe /#opie-knoppix |
| 16:26:53 | Harlekin | join /#opie-knoppix |
| 16:26:54 | warmi | ljp_: I have seen email from Qt folks saying that they are working on WIndows friendly dev env |
| 16:26:55 | diclophis | i am really interested in getting my work to get the dept some of these things |
| 16:27:00 | warmi | but no dates |
| 16:27:20 | diclophis | but at work we are pretty much 100%windows workstations |
| 16:27:28 | warmi | you might want to ask somebody at trolltech |
| 16:27:43 | warmi | what's the plan as far as Windows friendly QPE development |
| 16:28:19 | nmendes | j #opie-knoppix |
| 16:28:28 | BigBoss | isn't the plan to use Linux? :) |
| 16:28:53 | ljp_ | I woulnd't hold my breath for any TT updates.. like that |
| 16:29:02 | warmi | nah .. I am like diclophis .. I have only WIndows workstation at work |
| 16:29:03 | diclophis | BigBoss the plan is to take advantage of linuxes openness, and ease of development |
| 16:29:28 | warmi | so I have to use Windows Qt + VCC to play with stuff at work |
| 16:30:21 | BigBoss | actually what Haavard from TT discussed back in December is that their development environment would be available on linux, windows and os X |
| 16:30:54 | warmi | OS X ? that should be easy considering it is Unix after all |
| 16:32:00 | treke | yeah, they'd just have to rewrite the gui.. :) |
| 16:32:42 | warmi | no .. all they have to do is write vfb for OS x |
| 16:32:54 | treke | oh wait qt supports os x |
| 16:33:01 | warmi | it does |
| 16:33:10 | treke | so it should be relativly quick. I thought it was classic only |
| 16:33:37 | warmi | who would want to develop on Mac OS ? |
| 16:33:48 | treke | the mentally deranged |
| 16:33:49 | warmi | I mean this thing doesn't even multitask properly |
| 16:33:59 | treke | and its window manager sucks |
| 16:36:24 | benmeyer | How do you validate that a tar file is valid? |
| 16:36:29 | warmi | well, some people love the way it works ( sort of like Amiga used to work) |
| 16:36:32 | nmendes | Ah! I wasn't using kde console |
| 16:36:42 | tux_mike | ben: i think the -t flag |
| 16:36:50 | treke | warmi : some people like being tied up and whipped. whats your point :) |
| 16:37:51 | warmi | you must be talking about Gnome users . but yeah , you are right |
| 16:38:25 | tux_mike | ouch |
| 16:38:46 | treke | kde users also |
| 16:38:47 | warmi | hehe |
| 16:39:01 | BigBoss | we've been porting apps to OS X lately with Qt 3, and we are getting very good response |
| 16:44:41 | ljp_ | neo: do you have any idea what the fresh rate of the Z's screen is? Does it work like that? |
| 16:45:56 | tux_mike | ljp: i thought most lcds were 60 |
| 16:47:38 | ljp_ | hmm.. I dunno |
| 16:47:48 | warmi | ljp: you trying to synch to refresh rate ? |
| 16:47:56 | warmi | yeah, it is low |
| 16:48:00 | warmi | just like a laptops |
| 16:48:19 | ljp_ | yes, I was just thinking of doing that |
| 16:48:46 | warmi | is there even way to do it ? btw ... is there any documentation for internal lcd controller ? |
| 16:48:56 | benmeyer | kergoth has it |
| 16:49:44 | ljp_ | heh, well if its the specs he sent me.. its all in Japanese, except the images.. ;) |
| 16:50:05 | Neo|Work | morning |
| 16:51:06 | warmi | hahaha |
| 16:51:27 | warmi | nice ... I guess i/o ports and numebers are not in Japanese , are they ? |
| 16:52:50 | warmi | ljp: how big is this stuff ? the specs |
| 16:53:02 | ljp_ | hard to tell, as it was a photocopied pdf |
| 16:53:15 | ljp_ | 93 pages.. the one kergoth gave me |
| 16:53:20 | warmi | photocopied pdf written in Japanese .. can it get worse than that ? |
| 16:53:39 | warmi | heh |
| 16:54:16 | warmi | was kergoth able to decipher this stuff ? |
| 16:54:40 | ljp_ | just the pinouts I think |
| 16:54:49 | | cworth was last seen on #familiar 1 days, 19 hours, 37 minutes and 5 seconds ago, saying: Wooble: (I don't know who made that src directory though --- I should clean that up) [Mon Jun 17 22:17:44 2002] |
| 16:54:49 | benmeyer | ibot seen cworth |
| 16:54:53 | ljp_ | I beleive it was for a specif chip maybe tho |
| 16:55:36 | warmi | hehe |
| 16:56:05 | warmi | theres got to be English version somewhere |
| 16:56:08 | ljp_ | yes. it is worse.. its not copied at 90 degrees.. |
| 16:56:30 | warmi | I mean ARM is being produced by Intel , is it not ? |
| 16:56:36 | ljp_ | I dont think so.. zaurus specs Iheard were all injapanese |
| 16:56:53 | warmi | yeah but lcd controller is not a custom made part |
| 16:57:05 | warmi | I think it is a part of ARM package they got from Intel is it not ? |
| 16:57:28 | warmi | I mean, hardware wise it is part of ARM CPU chip |
| 16:57:40 | ljp_ | hmm.. dont know |
| 16:57:41 | tux_mike | i thought it was offboard, but still a standard chip |
| 16:58:06 | warmi | do we even know exact part number of model number of this LCD ? |
| 16:58:38 | tux_mike | 5 |
| 16:58:40 | mark | warmi: as people are finding GNUChess too hard, I think I am going to make phalanx an 'easy' one in the command line args. |
| 16:59:25 | benmeyer | Is busybox a single exe? |
| 16:59:45 | warmi | well, hardcoding won't work |
| 16:59:50 | tux_mike | benmeyer: yes |
| 16:59:54 | nmendes | benmeyer: yup |
| 16:59:56 | zecke | benmeyer: yes |
| 16:59:59 | nmendes | eheh |
| 17:00:00 | warmi | you gonna have others complaining about Phalanx being to easy for them |
| 17:00:07 | mark | benmeyer: yes |
| 17:00:11 | benmeyer | how does it determine what app actually wants to be run |
| 17:00:16 | mark | warmi: I know, I need to find a solution. |
| 17:00:19 | benmeyer | i.e. I see that dpkg is there |
| 17:00:22 | nmendes | benmeyer: 'busybox ls' |
| 17:00:24 | zecke | tux_mike: tille and I'm currently debugging a crash in addressbook with journals |
| 17:00:27 | mark | benmeyer: same as everything else. argv[1] |
| 17:00:31 | warmi | you need to come up with capabilities settings for setting this for each engine |
| 17:00:32 | zecke | benmeyer: argv[0] |
| 17:00:43 | mark | s/1/0 for me |
| 17:00:43 | benmeyer | interesting |
| 17:00:45 | nmendes | but... the aliases on Z are pointing to busybox only.... |
| 17:00:51 | nmendes | howcome it works ? |
| 17:00:54 | warmi | if engine doesn't support it ,,... skip it and don't offer an option in the menu/setup dialog for this |
| 17:00:56 | zecke | benmeyer: it can save more than 2mb |
| 17:01:06 | nmendes | does it detect the sym link ? |
| 17:01:09 | tux_mike | zecke: ok... cool, i don't know how the journals work :) i just saw them in there |
| 17:01:21 | warmi | come up with standard scale like easy, medium, hard and map each engine settings to that |
| 17:01:26 | mark | warmi: do any engines support being told 'easier, harder' during play? |
| 17:01:26 | benmeyer | zecke: on startup costs for apps etc? |
| 17:01:32 | zecke | tux_mike: on every change a file gets openen append only |
| 17:01:36 | benmeyer | busybox is only 1.0k? |
| 17:01:41 | nmendes | no |
| 17:01:42 | zecke | tux_mike: and there are 3 journal actions |
| 17:01:47 | nmendes | >400k |
| 17:01:49 | zecke | tux_mike: add, remove, modified |
| 17:02:04 | nmendes | the latest one |
| 17:02:04 | warmi | mark: no , you have to indicate to the user that this parameter can only be set between matches and restart the engine with the new setting |
| 17:02:16 | warmi | that's what I was planning to do |
| 17:02:21 | warmi | there is just no other way to do it |
| 17:02:29 | warmi | without hacking each engine |
| 17:02:40 | mark | k, pain, shame th ey dont support it during play. |
| 17:02:54 | warmi | yep |
| 17:03:06 | warmi | but there is nothing you can do about it .. just work around it |
| 17:03:13 | mark | yeh, okay. |
| 17:03:24 | warmi | if people are asking about that feature, tell them you are ivestigating ways to do it |
| 17:03:38 | warmi | and , eventually will release update with thsi feature enabled |
| 17:04:30 | warmi | mark: does Knights support configurable "pondering" option ? |
| 17:04:40 | mark | yes |
| 17:04:58 | mark | warmi: which does make it easier |
| 17:05:57 | NetAmp | wow... |
| 17:06:07 | NetAmp | they could probably base an entire new religion |
| 17:06:20 | NetAmp | upon that PalmOS Zen-theory :P |
| 17:06:21 | benmeyer | http://www.uclibc.org/ |
| 17:06:26 | benmeyer | fun fun |
| 17:06:49 | mark | yeh |
| 17:07:20 | warmi | "uClibc even supports shared libraries and threading. " << even support so libraries !!! |
| 17:07:28 | warmi | that's highly advanced |
| 17:07:30 | warmi | j/k |
| 17:08:30 | warmi | well, GTK is working with this lib and GCC as well |
| 17:08:46 | warmi | so it appears to be almost complete replacement |
| 17:09:28 | warmi | mark: you getting emails from people complaining that GNUCHESS is too hard ? |
| 17:09:30 | zecke | warmi: for productioan roms ulibc could be used to squeze some place |
| 17:09:54 | warmi | zecke: I know ... as long as Qt will work with it then we are fine |
| 17:10:38 | warmi | I wonder what kind of size difference we are talking here .. |
| 17:11:09 | nems | LMAO |
| 17:11:12 | nems | I hate cable companies. |
| 17:11:18 | NetAmp | heh |
| 17:11:30 | NetAmp | me2, though @home's running pretty well today |
| 17:11:34 | nems | To get a static ip it'll only cost me 170 dollars a mont for the service and 60 dollars A MONTH for a static IP. |
| 17:11:44 | NetAmp | I had a nice upstream speed of 15k ;) |
| 17:11:46 | ljp_ | ouch |
| 17:12:00 | nems | Or I can get DSL at the same rate of speed (Exactly) for 70 dollars a month + 3 dollars per static ip (And it comes with two included in the package) |
| 17:12:05 | NetAmp | jeesh... |
| 17:12:18 | nems | At&T are a bunch of <explitive deleted> <explitive deleted> |
| 17:12:27 | warmi | well, DSL is not an option for folks who are too far from the access point |
| 17:12:33 | warmi | and CABLE companies know it |
| 17:12:35 | warmi | hehe |
| 17:12:38 | nems | Thats true, but those prices are just wrong. |
| 17:12:50 | nems | I want my same freaking service I have now. for 40 bucks a month. I just want a static ip. |
| 17:13:02 | nems | It'd take them 3 minutes to set it up and they'd never have to do anything to it again. |
| 17:13:09 | NetAmp | can't you use some redirect thingy? |
| 17:13:12 | NetAmp | like dyndns |
| 17:13:18 | nems | Probably... |
| 17:13:27 | NetAmp | ok that's not quite the same.. but still |
| 17:13:31 | nmendes | bbl |
| 17:14:41 | NetAmp | btw you still want that ASF? |
| 17:14:48 | NetAmp | I'm not sure it's useful... |
| 17:14:56 | mark | warmi: no, but i've yet to know an yone who has beat it... :) |
| 17:15:02 | NetAmp | Mediaplayer complains about it being corrupt after a while :S |
| 17:15:55 | NetAmp | All your Z's are belong to us |
| 17:16:02 | warmi | except mine |
| 17:16:06 | NetAmp | gheh |
| 17:16:09 | ljp_ | and mine |
| 17:16:10 | MSpin | no! not mine! |
| 17:16:50 | JasonNJ | http://www.macromedia.com/macromedia/proom/pr/2002/flashplayer_opera.html |
| 17:16:57 | JasonNJ | flash player for zaurus announced |
| 17:17:43 | NetAmp | yay! |
| 17:17:44 | NetAmp | ;) |
| 17:18:13 | NetAmp | nems: maybe you can use the swf file anyway ;) |
| 17:18:57 | MSpin | woohoo |
| 17:19:15 | NetAmp | sweeet |
| 17:19:25 | benmeyer | Has anyone tried compiling any zaurus qt apps with uClibc? |
| 17:19:30 | NetAmp | now we just need to port swish :P |
| 17:19:32 | NetAmp | hah |
| 17:19:39 | warmi | "Mandrake to Come Preloaded on Wal-Mart PCs " - wtf ? Walmart folks are asking for trouble here .. |
| 17:19:43 | NetAmp | (and maybe the flash designer) |
| 17:19:50 | ljp_ | ben: I thinksomeone did.. too many fixes needed |
| 17:19:59 | benmeyer | oh? |
| 17:20:07 | ljp_ | I think |
| 17:20:19 | warmi | ljp: qt2 or qt3 ? |
| 17:20:26 | tux_mike | ugh... why would someone want mandrake |
| 17:20:49 | warmi | why would someone want Linux ? |
| 17:20:53 | ljp_ | cause mandrake is easy install |
| 17:20:58 | mark | tux_mike: i'd prefer it to windows |
| 17:21:00 | warmi | I mean who buys computers in Walmart ? |
| 17:21:06 | whardier | hah |
| 17:21:12 | mark | warmi: v true |
| 17:21:14 | warmi | do they really want these people to run Linux ? |
| 17:21:32 | whardier | suuure |
| 17:21:33 | ljp_ | doubtful.. |
| 17:21:40 | diclophis | damn bosses and their outlook virii |
| 17:21:41 | whardier | I want more people to run linux |
| 17:21:45 | whardier | no matter who they are |
| 17:21:50 | tux_mike | its gonna be a support nightmare |
| 17:21:54 | warmi | no shit |
| 17:21:58 | whardier | all they need to know is where the web browser is and what porn pages are good |
| 17:22:03 | ljp_ | thats lindows, thing, tho |
| 17:22:12 | warmi | you gonna have tons of folks asking why is that new Word CD doesn't work on their box etc |
| 17:22:17 | NetAmp | hah *lol* |
| 17:22:20 | whardier | naw you wanna throw somebody in the linux pot you gotta do it all at once |
| 17:22:36 | whardier | but they should also sell star office or bundle it with |
| 17:22:52 | treke | <whardier> Here's your texbook. get busy |
| 17:23:07 | whardier | what? |
| 17:23:19 | warmi | whardier: well .. how about QNX desktop edition computers being sold at your local Walmart ... |
| 17:23:21 | treke | screw staroffice :) |
| 17:23:48 | NetAmp | openoffice :P |
| 17:23:50 | whardier | QnX? |
| 17:23:56 | nems | I hate mandrake. :p |
| 17:24:01 | whardier | its only good side is it can browse |
| 17:24:05 | nems | Actually.. I rank mandrake way above redhat. |
| 17:24:05 | NetAmp | I run mandrake :P >:) |
| 17:24:08 | nems | But I dislike mandrake. |
| 17:24:09 | warmi | yeah .. it makes just as much sense to sell QNX as it does to sell LINUX |
| 17:24:13 | MSpin | m...gentoo:) |
| 17:24:14 | NetAmp | But I'm thinking of trying debian next... |
| 17:24:19 | nems | Debian is great. |
| 17:24:27 | ljp_ | I like mandrake, but hate gcc 2.96 |
| 17:24:28 | NetAmp | or gentoo, but you probably have to compile a lot? |
| 17:24:32 | nems | mutters damn mandrake yuppies. ;) |
| 17:24:35 | [DrEvil] | Debian Beatniks |
| 17:24:39 | nems | heh |
| 17:24:41 | warmi | heh |
| 17:24:45 | MSpin | NetAmp: it takes a little while to get the system happy |
| 17:24:47 | whardier | has ever-kittens |
| 17:24:49 | treke | Debian is cool. |
| 17:24:51 | whardier | they won't get bigger |
| 17:25:00 | MSpin | make sure you have a fast box if you want to build everything |
| 17:25:06 | ljp_ | I use whardier's net-linux distribution |
| 17:25:13 | NetAmp | MSpin: yeah so I read... but the package management is supposed to be real good? |
| 17:25:16 | warmi | NetAmp: that's THE idea there .. these folks who run gentoo they enojoy compiling stuff |
| 17:25:24 | NetAmp | warmi: heh ;) |
| 17:25:38 | MSpin | NetAmp: I just built my first gentoo box...it seems great |
| 17:25:46 | MSpin | it's FAST |
| 17:25:52 | ljp_ | how long did compile take? |
| 17:25:53 | NetAmp | well there's also the idea of running faster because everything's compiled locally |
| 17:25:55 | warmi | MSpin: yeah .. it is still Linux though .. |
| 17:25:56 | whardier | gentoo seems fun |
| 17:25:57 | warmi | heeh |
| 17:26:00 | whardier | Iwanna play with that |
| 17:26:23 | MSpin | it's nice being able to type 'emerge kde' and walk away |
| 17:26:28 | NetAmp | :D |
| 17:26:30 | MSpin | a few hours later you have kde |
| 17:26:34 | NetAmp | sweet |
| 17:26:46 | MSpin | updatting is: |
| 17:26:48 | warmi | NetAmp: do you think most of the binaries you find on the net are compiled on 386 boxes ? it won't be all that faster if you compile it yourself |
| 17:26:49 | MSpin | merge rsync |
| 17:26:54 | MSpin | emerge -u world |
| 17:27:22 | warmi | most RPMs these days are compiled with pentium optimizations anyway |
| 17:27:43 | NetAmp | warmi: no only a little bit... it's minimal, but they do use it as a motivation to get gentoo |
| 17:27:45 | MSpin | warmi: actually, they are compiled on faster boxen, but optimiced for 386 using a 386 instruction set |
| 17:27:55 | MSpin | err |
| 17:27:58 | zecke | warmi: SuSE compiles -march=486 -mcpu=686 |
| 17:28:05 | warmi | MSpin: redhat perhaps |
| 17:28:09 | MSpin | sorry |
| 17:28:16 | MSpin | the key thing is -march |
| 17:28:28 | nems | boxen |
| 17:28:29 | MSpin | mine is -march=i686 |
| 17:28:40 | nems | Why does everyone use the word boxen? is it foreign? Or just geek? |
| 17:28:55 | nems | NetAmp : you get the ASF? :) |
| 17:29:09 | NetAmp | nems: yeah a corrupt one :S |
| 17:29:15 | zecke | tux_mike: the two bugs are fixed now |
| 17:29:20 | MSpin | nems: it's a more natural plural of 'box' |
| 17:29:26 | NetAmp | nems: dcc anyway? maybe it still converts to mpeg ( ?) |
| 17:29:44 | nems | NetAmp: Nah :( |
| 17:29:59 | zecke | I gues I'm leading the Qtopia inhereted bugfixing ranking |
| 17:29:59 | nems | I'll have to download the flash file, convert it, then re multiplex the suond. |
| 17:30:08 | nems | sound |
| 17:30:13 | warmi | Qtopia or OPIE ? |
| 17:30:23 | zecke | does anyone here use a Qtopia rom? |
| 17:30:45 | NetAmp | nems: yeah or wait for that Flash Player ;) |
| 17:31:03 | warmi | I wonder how fast will it run on a device like Z |
| 17:34:27 | whardier | ljp_! |
| 17:34:36 | ljp_ | thats me |
| 17:34:52 | benmeyer | zecke: do you work for TrollTech? |
| 17:34:53 | [DrEvil] | Butters |
| 17:35:15 | zecke | benmeyer: no... I would like to though |
| 17:35:16 | ljp_ | hahaha good one, ben |
| 17:35:40 | ljp_ | zecke: keep tabs on the trolltechs jobs page |
| 17:36:17 | ljp_ | you'd have to relocate to Oslo |
| 17:36:19 | zecke | ljp_: our tt insider told us we could get jobs if we want to. So I'll finish skool first... |
| 17:36:24 | zecke | ljp_: no Australia |
| 17:36:31 | ljp_ | ohh for embedded |
| 17:36:33 | whardier | Butters ljp) |
| 17:36:50 | ljp_ | ?? |
| 17:37:04 | zecke | benmeyer: do you've an official sharp rom installed? |
| 17:37:06 | [DrEvil] | hrmmm |
| 17:37:15 | benmeyer | yes on my 5000, opie on my 5500 |
| 17:37:15 | [DrEvil] | do I want to enable BT support in this kernel? |
| 17:37:16 | zecke | benmeyer can you test some stuff for me? |
| 17:37:26 | benmeyer | sure |
| 17:37:42 | bipolar | lusts for an Archos 20GB MP3 Jukebox Recorder |
| 17:37:43 | Harlekin | zecke: sooner or later |
| 17:37:44 | ljp_ | test the new beaming stuff |
| 17:37:51 | mark | bipolar: creative ones are nicer |
| 17:38:14 | bipolar | mark: Creative ones are bigger in size |
| 17:38:22 | ljp_ | unless kergoth didn't update the feed with that yet |
| 17:38:23 | bipolar | mark: why do you like the creative ones? |
| 17:38:32 | mark | bipolar: the new one? v3 |
| 17:38:43 | bipolar | ljp_: the OZ feed has packages from may 20th. :( |
| 17:38:52 | mark | bipolar: rio ones are nice too |
| 17:38:59 | ljp_ | still? |
| 17:39:01 | bipolar | mark: is it USB 2.0? |
| 17:39:09 | bipolar | ljp_: seems so. |
| 17:39:09 | nems | bipolar: recorder? |
| 17:39:11 | mark | archos ones look horrid |
| 17:39:43 | ljp_ | I think kergoth's dev box got... unusable |
| 17:39:59 | bipolar | http://www.archos.com/us/products/product_jprecorders.html |
| 17:40:00 | nems | Toshiba's new one looks nice I think. |
| 17:40:15 | nems | That link doesnt work |
| 17:40:43 | bipolar | oops... http://www.archos.com/us/products/product_jbrecorders.html |
| 17:40:44 | NetAmp | no it doesn't.. |
| 17:40:53 | bipolar | hows that? |
| 17:41:10 | [DrEvil] | will gcc bitch if you try and run it on code for a different arch? |
| 17:41:22 | nems | ok. I have seen that one... I just didnt realize it was a recorder. |
| 17:41:22 | NetAmp | bipolar: looks sweet :D |
| 17:41:27 | nems | or called a recorder rather |
| 17:41:34 | bipolar | NetAmp: very |
| 17:41:55 | nems | My favorite is the fact that its a laptop hd... so ine a year when we have 80 gig laptop drives. :) |
| 17:42:01 | bipolar | nems: it can record to mp3. the big thing is it's USB 2.0 so the transfer times are sane. |
| 17:42:21 | nems | I heard USB2.0 was still insanely slower than firewire? Is that true? |
| 17:42:29 | bipolar | If I was not broke I would get one. |
| 17:42:33 | nems | heh |
| 17:42:39 | mark | creative ones are firewire |
| 17:42:48 | nems | Really? the older ones werent. |
| 17:42:50 | nems | the nomads? |
| 17:42:55 | nems | nomad jukeboxes rather |
| 17:42:56 | bipolar | nems: no. Firewire is 400mbps. |
| 17:43:03 | mark | http://www.nomadworld.com/products/Jukebox3/ |
| 17:43:11 | mark | nbetter battery life |
| 17:43:18 | bipolar | nems: USB 2.0 is 480mbps |
| 17:43:22 | NetAmp | yeah |
| 17:43:29 | NetAmp | I haven't tried the 2.0 yet... |
| 17:43:35 | NetAmp | don't have any 2.0 devices.. |
| 17:43:51 | nems | Ahh.. I read that usb2 was slower... interesting. |
| 17:43:58 | treke | they have 2.0 now? I barely use 1 still |
| 17:44:06 | NetAmp | heh |
| 17:44:17 | mark | is away: concert |
| 17:44:19 | nems | I use 1 for my Z, my camera, and ... hmm. A web cam... and... I think thats it. |
| 17:44:24 | NetAmp | mark: have fun |
| 17:44:26 | nems | a mouse |
| 17:44:36 | mark | NetAmp: i'll try. shame i can't play my pieces :/ |
| 17:44:45 | [DrEvil] | yay |
| 17:44:49 | nems | what do you play? |
| 17:44:50 | [DrEvil] | I'm building my own kernel |
| 17:44:53 | NetAmp | whoops... well good luck then :) |
| 17:44:54 | mark | piano |
| 17:44:57 | nems | ahh cool |
| 17:45:27 | NetAmp | hm I did that for like a year and a half |
| 17:45:47 | NetAmp | well... actually keyboard... but it starts with about the same stuff |
| 17:47:22 | ljp_ | buttons, its all buttons |
| 17:48:23 | kergoth | re |
| 17:48:33 | bipolar | Wb kergoth |
| 17:48:40 | kergoth | thanks. hows it goin? |
| 17:48:45 | nems | hey kergoth |
| 17:48:47 | bipolar | kergoth: going ok |
| 17:48:48 | benmeyer | hey there kergoth |
| 17:49:07 | bipolar | kergoth: Wedding next saturday. going insane. the usual |
| 17:49:14 | nems | wow.. grats bipolar |
| 17:49:18 | bipolar | kergoth: hows your build box? |
| 17:49:20 | zecke | kergoth: when are you going to make a new feed? and when will be openobex included? |
| 17:49:24 | bipolar | nems: thanks |
| 17:49:30 | nems | Monday's my 1st year anniversary :) |
| 17:49:44 | bipolar | nems: congratz! :) |
| 17:49:51 | nems | Thanks =) |
| 17:49:58 | KhensU_work | bipolar: congrats. I just got married over a month ago. |
| 17:50:17 | benmeyer | Tuxscreen and Zaurus have the same touchscreen hardware |
| 17:50:22 | benmeyer | this true? |
| 17:50:43 | bipolar | what really sux is that our arangements for an appt fell through and now were rushing to get another one. |
| 17:50:58 | bipolar | damned water leak ruined the floor. |
| 17:50:59 | benmeyer | found on google: but i should convert the ucb1200 driver to use the new touchscreen interface... |
| 17:51:04 | benmeyer | maybe there is already a driver |
| 17:51:55 | kergoth | benmeyer: ? |
| 17:52:04 | zecke | benmeyer: IIRC the driver for touchscreens is not yet working |
| 17:53:29 | kergoth | zecke: s/touchscreens/tuxscreens/? |
| 17:53:48 | NetAmp | ;) |
| 18:00:52 | mtm | JasonNJ: any idea if that Opera Flash plugin will work in embedded Konq? |
| 18:09:45 | whardier | I have a stinky wound |
| 18:10:13 | Cloud | hello whardier ;) you always have the most interesting things to say :) |
| 18:10:27 | Cloud | btw i hope it isn't painful |
| 18:10:31 | NetAmp | hah |
| 18:10:32 | whardier | it was |
| 18:11:02 | whardier | I took the bandaid off and it smelled rotten |
| 18:11:08 | whardier | but it was healing |
| 18:11:11 | whardier | so that made me happy |
| 18:11:18 | Cloud | well thank you for sharing that |
| 18:11:23 | Cloud | is glad i already ate lunch |
| 18:11:25 | NetAmp | bless you |
| 18:11:45 | Cloud | hehe |
| 18:12:07 | whardier | should go fix a sandwich |
| 18:12:30 | NetAmp | Midnight Commander rulez |
| 18:13:24 | nems | Hmm |
| 18:13:34 | nems | NetAmp : Was it you that was workin' on opieplayer |
| 18:13:35 | nems | ? |
| 18:13:42 | nems | Or was that someone else. |
| 18:13:44 | NetAmp | nope... sorry |
| 18:13:46 | nems | I'm braindead... |
| 18:13:50 | nems | crap. who was that this morning. |
| 18:13:52 | NetAmp | I'm not that much of a C programmer anyway ;) |
| 18:14:02 | Nasa | Hey kergoth: question for you -- is it possible to save install info on the medium that the program is installed too? In other words, if I install an app to the sdcard - put the package info on the sdcard as well |
| 18:14:24 | NetAmp | catalin maybe?.. err |
| 18:14:58 | nems | nope |
| 18:15:01 | nems | not catalin |
| 18:15:05 | nems | I thought it was an N person. |
| 18:15:09 | NetAmp | heh |
| 18:15:33 | benmeyer | hmm |
| 18:15:49 | benmeyer | well I guess uClibc is not ready for prime time |
| 18:16:15 | benmeyer | just tried to get it working, but the documentation on how to compile it was wrong in a number of places at which point I gave up on it |
| 18:18:57 | Harlekin | it works |
| 18:19:03 | Harlekin | its just a PITA |
| 18:19:09 | nems | PITSA? |
| 18:19:11 | Harlekin | since you need to recompile everything |
| 18:19:13 | NetAmp | Pain in... |
| 18:19:14 | nems | oh |
| 18:19:15 | NetAmp | heh ;) |
| 18:19:16 | nems | duh |
| 18:19:21 | bipolar | runs off |
| 18:19:24 | bipolar | is away: I'm not here... Really.... |
| 18:23:03 | Cloud | i just read where macromedia flash is coming to opera's embeddedd browser |
| 18:23:10 | Cloud | shakes head |
| 18:23:27 | Cloud | how bout they put in the useful features first |
| 18:24:06 | warmi | hehe |
| 18:24:33 | warmi | yeah, I said that before .. don't worry about "luxury" features |
| 18:24:37 | Cloud | hehe i usually skip the flash stuff anyway but i sure would like to be able to do a "save as" on a web page |
| 18:24:42 | warmi | fix basic stuff first |
| 18:24:58 | Cloud | or have it let me browse locally for a an html file |
| 18:24:58 | warmi | but this one comes from Opera and not Trolltech |
| 18:25:11 | Cloud | the opera we use? |
| 18:25:17 | warmi | I think you can do that now |
| 18:25:25 | Cloud | how? |
| 18:25:34 | Cloud | i always have to type in the path to the file locally |
| 18:25:40 | Cloud | big time pita |
| 18:25:54 | warmi | I don't remember now but I do have Qt docs installed on my CD card and I use Opera to browse it |
| 18:26:10 | Cloud | hmmm |
| 18:26:10 | warmi | CD -> CF |
| 18:26:20 | Cloud | hehe i figured that |
| 18:26:23 | Nasa | kergoth: ping. |
| 18:27:31 | warmi | I knew it was possible because when Opera starts it displays local html file .. |
| 18:27:48 | Cloud | mine doesn't any more |
| 18:27:56 | Cloud | well not the original one |
| 18:28:18 | Cloud | somehow i keep changing it and i wasn't sure what the original one was called |
| 18:29:03 | warmi | hehehe |
| 18:29:55 | warmi | I don't have my Z with me now so I will leave you with knowledge that it can be done but with no details how to do it |
| 18:29:56 | warmi | heh |
| 18:30:13 | Cloud | i'm looking at mine and can't find anyway |
| 18:31:08 | NetAmp | bbl |
| 18:32:43 | Cloud | oh well.. later you can tell me |
| 18:33:00 | Cloud | and.. what do you mean you don't have your Z with you????? poor lonely z |
| 18:33:05 | Cloud | left behind... |
| 18:33:07 | warmi | I am at work now |
| 18:33:16 | Cloud | you don't take your z to work? |
| 18:33:23 | warmi | sometimes ... |
| 18:33:46 | warmi | I need to get wireless service |
| 18:33:56 | warmi | so I can use it on the train etc |
| 18:34:32 | warmi | but the bottom line is ... Z is just to expensive to be carried around like that |
| 18:34:33 | warmi | hehe |
| 18:34:36 | warmi | :-) |
| 18:34:37 | kergoth | Nasa: pong |
| 18:34:42 | kergoth | re warmi, cloud |
| 18:34:50 | Cloud | hiya kergoth |
| 18:34:51 | warmi | re kerg: |
| 18:35:08 | Cloud | i take mine with me everywhere |
| 18:35:20 | Cloud | i should take out an insurance policy on it |
| 18:36:20 | Cloud | i'd like the wireless service too but i want a flat rate price that wouldn't require me gettinga second job |
| 18:36:35 | warmi | how much would you have to pay now ? |
| 18:36:42 | warmi | I know they have different plans |
| 18:36:53 | treke | warmi : what good is it if you dont carry it? :) |
| 18:37:05 | Cloud | nods |
| 18:37:08 | Cloud | exactly treke |
| 18:37:18 | warmi | treke: it looks cute on my desk |
| 18:37:30 | treke | hehe |
| 18:37:39 | kergoth | looks more cute in your hand |
| 18:37:39 | Nasa | Hey kergoth: question for you -- is it possible to save install info on the medium that the program is installed too? In other words, if I install an app to the sdcard - put the package info on the sdcard as well |
| 18:37:52 | kergoth | Nasa: define 'package info' |
| 18:38:03 | warmi | kergoth: nah ... you haven't seen my hand ... it doesn't |
| 18:38:05 | kergoth | hah |
| 18:38:36 | Nasa | Kergoth: isn't a database kept of package info by ipkg? |
| 18:38:56 | kergoth | Nasa: yes. and when you ipkg install -d sd blah.ipk, it puts said ipkg database on the sd itself. |
| 18:39:00 | warmi | Cloud: how much did you pay for your Z? |
| 18:39:06 | kergoth | Nasa: so the answer is not only is it possible, it already does it |
| 18:39:12 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:39:23 | Cloud | warmi: i paid 459. |
| 18:39:45 | warmi | see .. one wrong move and it all that money is basically wasted |
| 18:39:46 | Cloud | plus accessories so far 150.00 |
| 18:39:54 | warmi | this is why I avoid carrying Z with me around |
| 18:39:55 | kergoth | Nasa: now if you're wondering how you can flash your Z and have those apps on the sd be available, since the database wasnt lost, the answer is they need the symlinks into the rootfs recreated.. that needs to be a function of the opie package manager .. |
| 18:39:56 | Cloud | yes but i got it to use it |
| 18:40:09 | warmi | especially knowing how I tend to lose/break cellular phones etc |
| 18:40:13 | warmi | hehe |
| 18:40:13 | Cloud | if i leave it home its useless ;) |
| 18:40:45 | Nasa | kergoth: what is the name of the database? Because I am not sure it is putting that on the appropiate medium. |
| 18:41:06 | kergoth | Nasa: /mnt/card/usr/lib/ipkg/(info|status|...) |
| 18:42:08 | warmi | I think I am just going to get myself cheap-ass palm device and use Z only for "special" ocassions .. |
| 18:42:11 | warmi | j/k |
| 18:42:26 | Nasa | Kergoth: ok, so what uses space on the Z? After installing a program on the sd card the memory of the Z shoudn't change (very little for the symlink) |
| 18:42:28 | treke | hopes he finds his ipaq tonight |
| 18:42:46 | kergoth | Nasa: nothing should, except for the symlinks themselves |
| 18:43:01 | kergoth | Nasa: verify that in /etc/ipkg.conf the dest for sd is /mnt/card |
| 18:43:05 | kergoth | treke: you lost it? |
| 18:43:17 | treke | kergoth : Sort of |
| 18:43:21 | warmi | huh |
| 18:43:22 | treke | I couldnt find it this morning before work |
| 18:43:26 | treke | I was in a hurry though |
| 18:43:45 | treke | and my apartment needs some straitening up :) |
| 18:43:51 | Nasa | kergoth: it is -- and the ipkg info is indeed on the sd card. |
| 18:44:13 | kergoth | Nasa: then the only space taken up in the rootfs should be from the numerous symbolic links .. one per file installed to sd |
| 18:45:01 | Nasa | kergoth: but I have noticed a decrease of available space of 28K on / (jfts2) and 6k on /mnt/ram after installing froot |
| 18:45:18 | Nasa | And this is not unique to froot |
| 18:45:19 | warmi | kergoth: when installing ipkg , is it possible to indicate that some of the files should go to SD/CF and some ( say so libs) should go to RAM ? |
| 18:46:14 | kergoth | Nasa: hrm.. it should never touch /mnt/ram.... |
| 18:46:40 | kergoth | warmi: not currently. a given ipk goes entirely to one destination or another. if you need more granularity, break it up into more than one ipk |
| 18:47:41 | warmi | so how do you handle so libraries ? since you can't make symlinks in CF/SD you have to install entire package into RAM |
| 18:47:49 | warmi | or , as you said, break it in two |
| 18:48:03 | Nasa | kergoth: let me correct myself. I installed mediaplayer, libmpeg3plugin, libmadplugin, and froot -- leading to the numbers I said earlier |
| 18:48:21 | kergoth | Nasa: odd. you may want to remove one of them, and verify that the space comes back |
| 18:48:24 | kergoth | hey mark |
| 18:48:37 | Nasa | kergoth: btw the info is on the sd card for all of them |
| 18:48:47 | Nasa | kergoth: ok |
| 18:49:17 | kergoth | warmi: hmm. if the .so is part of a package including the only app that will use it, just distribute it as blah.so, then no symlinks are necessary |
| 18:49:34 | kergoth | warmi: other than that.. i dunno |
| 18:49:35 | kergoth | hm |
| 18:50:56 | kergoth | warmi: couldnt libblah.so.[version] be put on cf/sd.. then the ipkg gui creates a symlink into /usr/lib or what have you.. then you create symlinks to libblah.so in /usr/lib .. a level of indirection.. /usr/lib/libblah.so -> /usr/lib/libblah.so.version -> /mnt/card/usr/lib/libblah.so.version .. |
| 18:50:57 | warmi | that's what I tried and it worked |
| 18:51:02 | kergoth | ah |
| 18:51:08 | warmi | I think I am just going to use blah.so |
| 18:52:06 | warmi | kergoth: I think other apps will still find the lib, even if I just name it blah.so |
| 18:52:06 | kergoth | cool |
| 18:52:10 | W|GGL|T | is back (gone 11:34:55) |
| 18:52:14 | kergoth | warmi: yep, they will |
| 18:52:17 | warmi | after all they use the same process toload it as my app does |
| 18:52:39 | warmi | it is only upgrade and compilation process that will fail ... but I don't worry about that |
| 18:52:47 | kergoth | yeah |
| 18:52:50 | warmi | hardly anyone compiles stuff on Z any way |
| 18:52:56 | kergoth | versioning wouldnt be handled well |
| 18:53:02 | kergoth | re treke |
| 18:53:38 | kergoth | shit, my arm kernel tree got left on my hd at home, and i forgot to turn on my pc at home this morning |
| 18:53:40 | kergoth | grumble |
| 18:54:05 | warmi | kergoth: why don't you get yourself a dedicated (cheap) server box |
| 18:54:14 | warmi | and use masquarading for internall access |
| 18:54:36 | warmi | works fairly well for me |
| 18:54:50 | kergoth | yeah |
| 18:54:51 | Nasa | kergoth: after removing all the mentioned apps, and rebooting the Z - I found that /mnt/ram hadn't changed but I LOST and additional 28K |
| 18:54:53 | kergoth | i need a firewall anyway |
| 18:54:54 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:55:06 | Nasa | kergoth : from / |
| 18:55:10 | kergoth | Nasa: wtf |
| 18:55:19 | warmi | hahaha |
| 18:55:23 | Nasa | kergoth: exactly.... |
| 18:55:30 | kergoth | Nasa: gnomes are eating your flash |
| 18:55:31 | kergoth | :-P |
| 18:55:34 | warmi | it is one way street |
| 18:55:38 | warmi | lol |
| 18:55:55 | Cloud | hmm e-books aren't much cheaper than paperback books |
| 18:55:57 | kergoth | one bite = 28k |
| 18:55:59 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:56:05 | kergoth | Cloud: heh, thats stupid |
| 18:56:08 | Cloud | some i think are equivalent |
| 18:56:10 | Cloud | yes |
| 18:56:26 | Cloud | it is.. 6-20.00 so far i've seen |
| 18:56:32 | kergoth | weird |
| 18:56:38 | kergoth | i prefer having the actual book anyway |
| 18:56:38 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:56:42 | warmi | reading books on Z is not a good idea anyway .. |
| 18:56:52 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:56:54 | warmi | unless you absolutely don't have any other option |
| 18:56:58 | kergoth | run out of battery in a really good part.. |
| 18:57:02 | kergoth | thatd piss me off |
| 18:57:02 | Cloud | i'd buy ebooks if they were 2-3.00 for a full book |
| 18:57:05 | Cloud | hehe |
| 18:57:15 | Cloud | has battery pack ;) |
| 18:57:19 | kergoth | oh yeah :-) |
| 18:57:43 | warmi | Cloud: there are tons of free books at :http://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/ |
| 18:57:58 | warmi | some of them are formated in HTML which should make it possible to use Opera |
| 18:58:04 | warmi | to read |
| 18:58:07 | W|GGL|T | warmi: why is reading books on the Z not a good idea? |
| 18:58:10 | alphablue | what format are they in ? text or do they require a program to read em ? |
| 18:58:52 | Cloud | warmi: i want new books :) |
| 18:59:19 | warmi | W|G: there are better ways to read ...:-) |
| 18:59:31 | warmi | alphablue: depends how people submit them |
| 19:00:00 | W|GGL|T | sure there are, but the option of reading a book on the fly (and not having to carry one/several) is powerful |
| 19:00:04 | warmi | my buddy for example offers his ( formated by him) books in HTML, Tex etc .. http://books.rakeshv.org/ |
| 19:00:16 | Nasa | kergoth: btw, I still have my clock reset after a suspend. Even after removing the hwclock, making sure atd was running, and checking the links in /etc/rc*d |
| 19:00:22 | Cloud | i'd like some tech books in ebook form too |
| 19:00:42 | W|GGL|T | i saw alot of text books...forget the name of the site tho |
| 19:00:55 | W|GGL|T | text=tech |
| 19:01:46 | Cloud | i found a few on memo ware i wanted but the z coulnd't read them (qt reader) |
| 19:01:57 | kergoth | Nasa: did you re-run the clock app and hit OK? the clock app only stores the proper TZ in the RTC if atd was running at the time you set it up |
| 19:02:00 | kergoth | Nasa: ... |
| 19:02:19 | Nasa | kergoth: Yes I ddi |
| 19:02:42 | kergoth | Nasa: well shit i dunno. works flawlessly on my unit.. or it did, before i made it not boot again |
| 19:02:43 | kergoth | Nasa: hm |
| 19:03:09 | kergoth | Nasa: ah, is /etc/default/rcS .. UTC line.. yes or no? |
| 19:03:21 | kergoth | ah fuck that shouldnt matter. grumble |
| 19:03:33 | kergoth | Nasa: i'll reflash my unit and figure it out again. hehe |
| 19:03:58 | Nasa | kergoth: well thanks... |
| 19:04:14 | Nasa | kergoth: how much space do the symlinks take? |
| 19:06:13 | kergoth | Nasa: create one and see.. like 3 bytes or something |
| 19:06:17 | kergoth | brb |
| 19:10:29 | ljp_ | boo! |
| 19:11:01 | whardier | wets himself |
| 19:11:18 | Nasa | kergoth: 7 -9 bytes |
| 19:11:50 | ljp_ | opie-knoppix! |
| 19:12:36 | kergoth | re ljp |
| 19:13:12 | ljp_ | hi kergoth.. hows things? |
| 19:13:32 | kergoth | not bad overall. long, shitty week though |
| 19:13:33 | kergoth | you? |
| 19:13:58 | ljp_ | ok, I suppose. no enough time for everything, though |
| 19:14:36 | ljp_ | you'd think when you get older, time would slow dow like the rest of your body.. but noooo... |
| 19:14:56 | whardier | I blame pot |
| 19:15:04 | ljp_ | heh |
| 19:15:21 | ljp_ | got scripts and instructions for creating opie-knoppix |
| 19:15:28 | kergoth | heh, nice |
| 19:15:41 | Nasa | ljp: what is opie-knoppix? |
| 19:16:04 | ljp_ | bootable dev cd based on knoppix www.knoppix.de |
| 19:16:50 | Nasa | ljp: cool |
| 19:17:42 | ljp_ | only thing is, someone will need space ona disk for compiling stuff |
| 19:20:20 | Nasa | kergoth: it is one way. I installed kpacman it removed 4k from / (nothing from /mnt/ram) -- removing the app didn't give it back. reinstalling it I lost 4k more |
| 19:21:05 | Nasa | kergoth: but /mnt/ram seems to have stabalized.... |
| 19:21:19 | whardier | mix it with /mnt/rom |
| 19:21:22 | whardier | see if it combusts |
| 19:21:29 | whardier | <- a hole |
| 19:23:56 | kergoth | Nasa: rebooting doesnt clear? i mean, its not due to jffs2 failing to garbage collect immediately |
| 19:25:04 | Nasa | kergoth: initally numbers were off because I had not rebooted. But I have fixed the errors of my ways and reboot after each install/uninstall to ensure proper reporting |
| 19:25:32 | tux_mike | anyone using kvim? |
| 19:25:51 | killefiz | tux_mike: is there a binary somewhere? |
| 19:26:11 | tux_mike | no, and i should state for their desktop :) |
| 19:26:14 | Nasa | kergoth: If I may -- how much should / have after a clean install? |
| 19:26:46 | killefiz | oups - then no - vim only |
| 19:28:08 | ljp_ | found out today who wrote jffs2 |
| 19:29:19 | tux_mike | i think i should go and rebuild this machine... it's starting to really irk me |
| 19:31:47 | whardier | wants to tell Rob Levin to go flip a goddamn burger |
| 19:34:51 | tux_mike | rob levin? |
| 19:35:01 | treke | lilo |
| 19:35:25 | tux_mike | mm hrm |
| 19:35:42 | whardier | god damn dude |
| 19:35:52 | whardier | he thinks he is gonna have to sell his car |
| 19:35:57 | whardier | and end up on the street |
| 19:36:09 | whardier | all to save hiumself the humilation of getting a job where he has to lift more than his fingers |
| 19:36:10 | benmeyer | where was the link on hancom's page that would let you download the office sweet if you have a 5000 |
| 19:36:41 | treke | the real one or the w4r3z one |
| 19:36:41 | tux_mike | whardier: forget him... maybe he'll learn a hard lesson that way |
| 19:36:54 | treke | feels bad for his family |
| 19:37:15 | tux_mike | wife and kids or mom and dad? |
| 19:37:21 | treke | mostly kids |
| 19:37:28 | treke | wife to a lesser extent |
| 19:37:30 | tux_mike | he has a wife and kids? |
| 19:37:32 | tux_mike | ugh |
| 19:37:38 | tux_mike | what a dumbass then |
| 19:37:40 | benmeyer | the real one |
| 19:37:45 | ljp_ | kids make good beggars |
| 19:37:54 | treke | since his kids dont have much of a choice in his stupidity |
| 19:38:04 | benmeyer | http://www.zaurus.com/dev/hancom/registration.php |
| 19:38:18 | tux_mike | maybe he should get his ass off irc and get a damn job |
| 19:38:38 | Harlekin | benmeyer: how to get the german hamcom office verison |
| 19:39:21 | darienm | I know at least a few folks here have written apps for the Palm. If you're one of those, can you identify yourselves so I can ask a question? |
| 19:39:52 | benmeyer | Harlekin: don't know |
| 19:40:03 | ljp_ | is there a german hancom version? |
| 19:40:30 | Harlekin | ljp_: it says on hancom homepage |
| 19:40:41 | tux_mike | darienm: i have written apps on my palm... but it smudged off later that way, so i switched to coding on my computer :) |
| 19:41:01 | ljp_ | bl |
| 19:41:03 | darienm | tux_mike: :) |
| 19:41:46 | tux_mike | time to make the backup |
| 19:41:52 | Kopsis | darienm: I've done PalmOS work |
| 19:44:10 | Kopsis | darienm: are they looking for a custom app or an existing solution? There are database tools for Palm that could handle that pretty easily. |
| 19:44:56 | killefiz | Harlekin: Have you tried the link on zaurus.help4free.de? |
| 19:45:08 | Harlekin | oh |
| 19:45:11 | Harlekin | killefiz |
| 19:45:16 | Harlekin | that funny |
| 19:45:26 | killefiz | ?? |
| 19:45:30 | BigBoss | are you looking for a database development app? |
| 19:46:01 | darienm | Is that along the lines of easy, medium, hard? And what's a ballpark range for said development? |
| 19:47:38 | Kopsis | darienm: easy if they're just rolling data into an existing Palm DB app. Medium for a custom app. I couldn't begin to ballpark LOE without a lot more details. |
| 19:48:26 | tux_mike | would like a simple flexible db app for the Z |
| 19:48:33 | BigBoss | we have that |
| 19:48:43 | Kopsis | darienm: there are plenty of existing DB apps for Palm. |
| 19:48:50 | tux_mike | something that i can make a db on my PC and read it on the Z with a cheap/free viewer |
| 19:48:53 | BigBoss | http://www.seriesone.net/hidden/ |
| 19:49:53 | treke | recall is very tempting |
| 19:50:14 | treke | BigBoss : can it do odbc? |
| 19:50:22 | tux_mike | big: a lot more complex that i wanted :) |
| 19:50:23 | BigBoss | maybe |
| 19:50:26 | BigBoss | we are talking about it |
| 19:52:24 | BigBoss | our database interface layer is further abstracted from ODBC, and also closer to the databaes |
| 19:52:29 | BigBoss | ODBC just becomes another plug in |
| 19:52:36 | BigBoss | which will likely be our next plug in |
| 19:53:02 | tux_mike | BigBoss: i don't suppose you have a readonly viewer for it? |
| 19:53:38 | BigBoss | we are finishing the 1.1 and embedded releases (and Windows), then we'll finish up the 'run time' |
| 19:54:16 | BigBoss | cool - we heard the Shuttle sonic boom when it landed an hour or so again |
| 19:54:27 | BigBoss | thought it was terrorists blowing up Los Angeles at first :) |
| 19:54:30 | tux_mike | on it's way to huston? |
| 19:55:18 | BigBoss | no, it landed in California |
| 19:55:21 | BigBoss | floridy had storms |
| 19:55:36 | tux_mike | i thought huston was the second choice for landings |
| 19:55:44 | tux_mike | then cali |
| 19:56:10 | treke | tux_mike : The shuttle cant take that kind of heat |
| 19:56:34 | BigBoss | :) |
| 19:56:41 | BigBoss | Edwards is the back up site |
| 19:56:42 | warmi | the shuttle needs all the 8086 you can get ... |
| 19:56:46 | BigBoss | costs a million to move it back |
| 19:56:47 | tux_mike | ... it gets over 7000C on reentry.... i think it can handle 110F :) |
| 19:56:54 | warmi | that's according to NASA who are looking for old CPUs .. |
| 19:56:56 | warmi | hehe |
| 19:57:03 | BigBoss | I was in texas last week - believe me, the shuttle can not take it :) |
| 19:57:12 | tux_mike | the shuttle's navigation computers all together have less power than the first palms :) |
| 19:57:39 | tux_mike | ok... i'm gonna be away for a while, i gotta rebuild my desktop |
| 19:57:49 | tux_mike | this thing has pissed me off long enough! :) |
| 20:07:12 | crackotter | Hi all, sorry bugging everyone.. I recently moved off my Windows desktop to a RedHat desktop and I was wondering how do I get my Zaurus to work on RedHat 7.2? |
| 20:09:03 | BigBoss | install Windows :) |
| 20:09:05 | y0ssarian | hello |
| 20:09:23 | crackotter | <groan> :) |
| 20:09:25 | warmi | that is a long .. long story |
| 20:09:32 | warmi | but check this out :http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/howtos/qtopia_desktop_howto.shtml |
| 20:10:36 | warmi | this only deals with how to set up Qtopia Desktop on Linux |
| 20:10:58 | | faq is at http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/zaurus-faq/ or at http://www.handhelds.org/handhelds-faq/handhelds-faq.html or at http://adorphuye.com/zaurus/java/faq.jsp |
| 20:10:58 | warmi | ibot faq |
| 20:10:59 | crackotter | <nod> I can get QT desktop to run, but I don't know how to get USB connectivity with my Zaurus.. |
| 20:11:53 | warmi | http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/zaurus-faq/sections/syncing_and_sharp_io_port.php3 |
| 20:12:11 | warmi | question # 8 |
| 20:13:21 | whardier | hehe |
| 20:13:23 | whardier | doh |
| 20:14:04 | crackotter | <nod> I tried to follow the FAQ, but having a problem " zcat usbdnet-RedHat-7.2-2.4.7.patch.gz | patch -p0" givies me "can't find file to patch at input line 3" .. I have never tried patching my kernel before |
| 20:14:09 | crackotter | Am I missing something?? |
| 20:14:46 | warmi | I wouldn't know .. I am Windows user |
| 20:15:13 | mark | warmi: pha! :P |
| 20:15:20 | mark | oh right, I read 'I am no Windows user' |
| 20:15:22 | Nadav | hah |
| 20:16:49 | crackotter | I guess I can try running the Zaurus off of VMWare until I figure out the patch |
| 20:17:03 | whardier | haha |
| 20:17:23 | whardier | I sure can knock back sprite |
| 20:17:30 | whardier | I think it almos rivals my Mtn Dew knocking ability |
| 20:21:49 | W|GGL|T | is away: I'm busy smoking a blunt or sleeping or something |
| 20:29:10 | warmi | mark: I do use Linux a lot .. server stuff , final crosscompile, testing etc .. but I am not all that familiar with Unix sys admin style tasks etc .. |
| 20:30:05 | warmi | mark: any new sales ? |
| 20:30:07 | warmi | hehe |
| 20:32:46 | kergoth | hm |
| 20:33:06 | tux_mike|server | one hdd light blinks, then the other :) |
| 20:34:20 | tux_mike|server | go-go gadget network install :) |
| 20:34:48 | W|GGL|T | is back (gone 00:12:58) |
| 20:39:28 | Nasa | kergoth: you there? |
| 20:41:20 | whardier | Do wa ditty ditty dumb ditty doo |
| 20:41:40 | benmeyer | echo "#! /bin/bash |
| 20:41:41 | benmeyer | MimeTypeFile=\"/home/QtPalmtop/etc/mime.types\"' |
| 20:41:41 | benmeyer | if [ -e $MimeTypeFile ]; then |
| 20:41:41 | benmeyer | MimeType=\"application/hancomword\" |
| 20:41:41 | benmeyer | MimeTypeString='application/hancomword hmw\" |
| 20:41:41 | benmeyer | TokenString=\"\" |
| 20:41:43 | mark | warmi: nope, stuck on 6 |
| 20:41:44 | benmeyer | TokenString=$(grep $MimeType $MimeTypeFile) |
| 20:41:46 | benmeyer | if [ \"$TokenString\" = \"\" ]; then |
| 20:41:47 | benmeyer | echo $MimeTypeString >> $MimeTypeFile |
| 20:41:49 | benmeyer | fi |
| 20:41:51 | benmeyer | MimeType=\"application/msword\" |
| 20:41:53 | benmeyer | MimeTypeString='application/msword doc dot wrd' |
| 20:41:55 | benmeyer | TokenString=\"\" |
| 20:41:57 | benmeyer | TokenString=$(grep $MimeType $MimeTypeFile) |
| 20:41:59 | benmeyer | if [ \"$TokenString\" = \"\" ]; then |
| 20:42:01 | tux_mike|server | benmeyer: ? |
| 20:42:01 | benmeyer | echo $MimeTypeString >> $MimeTypeFile |
| 20:42:03 | benmeyer | fi |
| 20:42:05 | benmeyer | fi" > |
| 20:42:06 | mark | benmeyer: shtop! |
| 20:42:07 | benmeyer | oops |
| 20:42:14 | benmeyer | sorry trying to figure out what is wrong with that script |
| 20:42:27 | benmeyer | it wont run |
| 20:42:33 | benmeyer | get a grep error |
| 20:42:38 | tux_mike|server | well, for one, it's not gonna run over irc :) |
| 20:42:41 | benmeyer | all it sould do is dump the tezt to a file |
| 20:42:46 | benmeyer | haha yah I know |
| 20:42:52 | benmeyer | wonder of uniz |
| 20:45:20 | mark | i'll be a very happy man if it continues at this rate though, heh, rather doubt it though :P |
| 20:45:47 | Nadav | hah |
| 20:45:51 | Nadav | mark: how many so far? |
| 20:46:04 | mark | 6 in about 36 hours |
| 20:46:08 | Nadav | nice |
| 20:48:51 | warmi | mark: you wanna be new B.Gates .. don't you ? |
| 20:49:28 | mark | warmi: not particularly.... |
| 20:49:35 | warmi | heh |
| 20:52:00 | benmeyer | kjsdfljdakl;jfkl;j |
| 20:52:02 | benmeyer | grr |
| 20:52:07 | benmeyer | scripts suck |
| 20:53:21 | mark | warmi: I want to have a nice big room with a Steinway piano in it. my life's aim :) |
| 20:56:24 | JasonNJ | I want a jacuzzi with a swim up wet bar |
| 20:56:41 | treke | and a couple redheads |
| 21:00:14 | warmi | I want some food .. |
| 21:00:23 | warmi | I haven';t had anything to eat today so far |
| 21:00:31 | warmi | and it is 4:03 pm |
| 21:00:32 | warmi | heh |
| 21:01:19 | warmi | food .. and a couple of redhads .. |
| 21:01:22 | warmi | treke is right |
| 21:01:57 | treke | what else is new |
| 21:02:30 | warmi | "treke is right" - that's whats new |
| 21:02:34 | warmi | :-) |
| 21:02:35 | treke | ha |
| 21:03:13 | whardier | lordy lordy lordy |
| 21:04:35 | whardier | wants to replace * wth y'all on the command prompt |
| 21:04:51 | treke | ha |
| 21:04:58 | whardier | ls y'all |
| 21:10:18 | MrMeanor | has anyone ran into the problem of not being able to resume from a suspend in qtopia |
| 21:10:41 | MrMeanor | but i can resume in xwindows and the standard console |
| 21:12:26 | warmi | mark: are yoy going to release the metronom app you wrote ? |
| 21:12:38 | warmi | believe it or not I might actually need it |
| 21:15:47 | JasonNJ | anyone seen this Linuette thing? |
| 21:15:55 | JasonNJ | http://www.mizi.com/en/# |
| 21:16:07 | JasonNJ | its apparently a derivative of qtopia |
| 21:16:10 | JasonNJ | looks like pocket pc |
| 21:16:14 | JasonNJ | qt based |
| 21:16:20 | JasonNJ | I wonder if we can get it to run on the Z |
| 21:17:12 | treke | doesnt look like ppc based to me |
| 21:17:19 | whardier | *sniff* |
| 21:17:42 | treke | looks linux based to me |
| 21:18:07 | JasonNJ | it is linux |
| 21:18:12 | JasonNJ | but it LOOKS like PPC |
| 21:18:21 | JasonNJ | check out their flash demo |
| 21:18:26 | JasonNJ | they even have a sdk to download |
| 21:18:39 | JasonNJ | with binaries for ipaq |
| 21:18:41 | Nadav | looks cool |
| 21:18:52 | JasonNJ | I wonder if we could graft their binaries onto openzaurus |
| 21:19:03 | JasonNJ | http://www.linuette.com/downloads/ |
| 21:19:46 | whardier | they are just not using QPE |
| 21:20:03 | JasonNJ | right |
| 21:20:06 | JasonNJ | but its Qt |
| 21:20:08 | whardier | but still useing QTE |
| 21:20:19 | JasonNJ | nice theming |
| 21:20:24 | treke | looks likeq pe :) |
| 21:20:57 | treke | nm |
| 21:21:14 | warmi | it does look like PocketPC |
| 21:21:14 | treke | has that same no-standrd-ui windows look |
| 21:21:38 | treke | the apps I had looked at looked like qpe |
| 21:21:42 | treke | then some looked like ppc |
| 21:22:07 | treke | klick on the web browser, theres a trolltech icon |
| 21:24:22 | treke | a shame they couldnt make it look more consistant |
| 21:26:13 | mark | warmi: its ridiculously unaccurate |
| 21:27:23 | mark | warmi: I need to rewrite it away from QTimer and to processor ticks |
| 21:28:33 | JasonNJ | should be pretty damn easy to get those ipaq binaries to run in OpenZaurus |
| 21:28:36 | JasonNJ | should be trivial in fact |
| 21:29:04 | warmi | mark: what is innacurate ? |
| 21:31:25 | treke | JasonNJ : assuming the qts match up |
| 21:31:55 | treke | these guys could be enabling something not in the qtopia qt |
| 21:32:07 | JasonNJ | ya, very possibly |
| 21:32:20 | warmi | treke: just move over qte libs as well |
| 21:32:23 | warmi | that will fix it |
| 21:32:30 | warmi | heh |
| 21:32:34 | treke | warmi : And qtopia might need something they dont use :) |
| 21:32:39 | JasonNJ | I think we should try it as a goof |
| 21:32:49 | treke | would try it if he had his ipaq |
| 21:33:10 | treke | I'll try them if I find it at home |
| 21:33:12 | ljp_ | huh? try what? |
| 21:33:28 | JasonNJ | ljp_: run linuette in OpenZaurus |
| 21:34:25 | [DrEvil] | what is the filename for the kernel boot logo? |
| 21:34:49 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: LogoScreen.c |
| 21:35:03 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: drivers/video/ iirc in the kernel source tree |
| 21:35:11 | [DrEvil] | danke |
| 21:35:13 | kergoth | np |
| 21:35:13 | treke | JasonNJ : ew another problem |
| 21:35:23 | treke | JasonNJ : they could be using ulibc |
| 21:35:48 | kergoth | treke: hrm. i can add uclibc support to the openzaurus buildsystem. could then easily produce a stock openzaurus initrd which could use it |
| 21:35:54 | kergoth | treke: if thats the case i mean |
| 21:36:14 | JasonNJ | theres no reason why you cant make that run in OZ |
| 21:36:18 | [DrEvil] | what program can be used to generate that file? |
| 21:36:20 | JasonNJ | you have all the fb drivers written |
| 21:36:30 | JasonNJ | this is jut a qt executable isnt it |
| 21:36:30 | kergoth | JasonNJ: it'll work. just need to take a look at it |
| 21:36:42 | treke | JasonNJ : where did you find the bins? |
| 21:36:48 | JasonNJ | on their site |
| 21:37:14 | JasonNJ | www.linuette.com/downloads |
| 21:37:22 | JasonNJ | I want to see how this compares to qtopia |
| 21:37:36 | JasonNJ | the interface looks a lot more lightweight |
| 21:37:51 | BigBoss | yea, they wrote their own |
| 21:37:59 | treke | there using hh kernels... |
| 21:38:03 | BigBoss | but getting any decent response from them is brutal |
| 21:38:23 | [DrEvil] | Sharp can just buy them |
| 21:38:37 | JasonNJ | I forwareded their contact info to japan |
| 21:38:55 | JasonNJ | in theory existing zaurus apps could run on it with some modification |
| 21:39:07 | [DrEvil] | JasonNJ: why does Sharp include the autofs stuff on the Z? |
| 21:39:34 | JasonNJ | I wonder if the whole thing will fit in 16MB of ROM |
| 21:39:43 | treke | looks like it |
| 21:39:48 | treke | they have a ipaq image |
| 21:40:01 | JasonNJ | well we can just rip that apart cant we |
| 21:40:07 | JasonNJ | they are arm binaries |
| 21:40:09 | Nasa | kergoth: you ever figure out how to keep my clock from resetting? |
| 21:40:19 | treke | the 3600 is a 16mb rom ( those are 3600 images) |
| 21:40:22 | mark | warmi: my metronome |
| 21:40:30 | BigBoss | did they open source their desktop? |
| 21:40:41 | JasonNJ | dunno good question shawn |
| 21:40:46 | BigBoss | i don't think so |
| 21:40:50 | BigBoss | and they are korean |
| 21:41:02 | treke | we cant hold that against them |
| 21:41:17 | BigBoss | not saying that, but from experience it is very hard to work with koreans |
| 21:41:23 | treke | jk |
| 21:41:24 | BigBoss | very large language and cutural barrier |
| 21:41:25 | JasonNJ | BigBoss: yeah |
| 21:41:36 | [DrEvil] | and the japanese hate the koreans |
| 21:41:39 | mark | like handcom.. :) |
| 21:41:53 | BigBoss | DrEvil: it's the other way around |
| 21:42:07 | [DrEvil] | they hate each other |
| 21:42:13 | BigBoss | Mizi use to be part of the Haansoft group of companies of which Hancom is/was part |
| 21:42:22 | JasonNJ | I love korean food |
| 21:42:29 | BigBoss | even with my relationship with Hancom and a personal introduction to Mizi, I can get nothing out of them |
| 21:42:47 | BigBoss | what food do you hate? :) |
| 21:42:52 | BigBoss | I like korean bbq a lot |
| 21:43:01 | BigBoss | don't want to have any of their ranched dogs though |
| 21:43:03 | JasonNJ | BigBoss: good point |
| 21:43:07 | BigBoss | wonder what they herd them with |
| 21:43:23 | treke | bigger dogs |
| 21:43:47 | ljp_ | captured western women |
| 21:44:20 | [DrEvil] | yay! |
| 21:44:24 | [DrEvil] | my Z is an NFS server |
| 21:45:31 | JasonNJ | looks like they use a custom qt library |
| 21:46:01 | [DrEvil] | just let ljp clone it |
| 21:46:06 | mark | hehe |
| 21:46:18 | Nasa | How can I loose space on / when I install all my apps to my sdcard???? |
| 21:46:24 | kergoth | Nasa: I'm at work. I dont have time to test atm. |
| 21:46:25 | [DrEvil] | he'll use clonelib |
| 21:46:27 | ljp_ | I tried to get my Z to be a cocktail server, but it had problems lifting the heavy trays |
| 21:46:35 | Nasa | kergoth: that's cool |
| 21:46:40 | NetAmp | :D haha |
| 21:46:49 | Nasa | kergoth: we all need gameful employment |
| 21:47:04 | [DrEvil] | Nasa: each of those links that have to be made take up nodes on the filesystem |
| 21:47:18 | NetAmp | ljp_: maybe it'll still work hooked up to the cocktail machine ;) |
| 21:48:02 | ljp_ | I tried pinging the cocktail machine, but no go |
| 21:48:09 | NetAmp | :( |
| 21:48:13 | NetAmp | hehe |
| 21:48:20 | ljp_ | I even tried pinging the waitress, but just got slapped |
| 21:48:33 | NetAmp | :D |
| 21:48:36 | NetAmp | wahahaa |
| 21:48:44 | ljp_ | oh man , its too hot |
| 21:48:47 | Nasa | Yeah each link takes about 7 -9 bytes -- I am losing about 8K installing an app |
| 21:48:59 | NetAmp | "excuse me, miss" *ping* |
| 21:49:31 | ljp_ | nasa, ipkg also writes stuff to its config files |
| 21:49:58 | ljp_ | nasa: did you check /tmp? |
| 21:50:03 | NetAmp | it's too hot indeed... if it weren't for my fan i'd be fried |
| 21:50:22 | Nasa | ljp: yeap, but that is kept on the sdcard (were the apps were installed) and yes I did look at /tmp |
| 21:50:47 | Nasa | I install all my apps to my sd card.... |
| 21:52:25 | Nasa | To make matters more interesting... I did a 'du -s *' in the root directory before and after installing apps. Comparing before and after I can not find a difference in directory sizes |
| 21:53:09 | Nasa | with the exception of /mnt/card (which is expected) |
| 21:53:57 | ljp_ | hmmm |
| 21:54:27 | [DrEvil] | kergoth: what file in the kernel tree sets the RAM size? |
| 21:55:37 | ljp_ | anybody read this-> http://www.palmos.com/dev/support/docs/zenofpalm/Enlightenment.html#940701 |
| 21:57:32 | MrMeanor | ljp: that's interesting |
| 21:58:36 | MrMeanor | only i think pocket pc's arn't on the downhill side of pda features's |
| 21:59:12 | MrMeanor | i had 2 palms before my zaurus and i haven't had this much fun in my palm as i do now |
| 21:59:35 | [DrEvil] | heh |
| 21:59:44 | [DrEvil] | I should try raid support |
| 22:00:34 | ljp_ | zaurus is my first pda, so I have nothing to judge it against |
| 22:00:41 | ljp_ | interesting read tho |
| 22:01:02 | ljp_ | it is correct about how people use pda's compared to desktops |
| 22:01:09 | [DrEvil] | I like Palm |
| 22:01:26 | ljp_ | heh Rosey Palm? |
| 22:01:26 | mark | ljp_: yeh, good article |
| 22:01:27 | [DrEvil] | it is what the average handheld user needs |
| 22:03:02 | ][N-Flux | palm is lacking speed and features |
| 22:03:04 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: ram size? you mean size of the ramdisk? or...? |
| 22:03:14 | [DrEvil] | where the ratio is set |
| 22:03:24 | [DrEvil] | between how much RAM vs RAM disk |
| 22:03:41 | [DrEvil] | I see the kernel opts in general setup |
| 22:03:49 | [DrEvil] | and it says mem-30m |
| 22:03:52 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: if you want the ramdisk to exist, you need mtdram defined.. and you set the mtdram size in the kernel configuration. you set ram size in the kernel command line "ram=blahm" |
| 22:04:18 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: kernel configuration. MTD section. "Self contained MTD device drivers." |
| 22:04:48 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: see mtdrom and mtdram. mtdram is what you're looking for. |
| 22:05:27 | [DrEvil] | so the device size in kB refers to the ramdisk? |
| 22:05:36 | [DrEvil] | for mtdram |
| 22:06:25 | NetAmp | nope... |
| 22:06:37 | NetAmp | Palm isn't lacking features :P |
| 22:06:40 | [DrEvil] | and that value is always a factor of 1024? or does it need to be in like 4 8 16 32 |
| 22:06:40 | NetAmp | At least, |
| 22:06:52 | NetAmp | not according to the PalmOS Zen theory ;) |
| 22:06:53 | NetAmp | http://www.palmos.com/dev/support/docs/zenofpalm/Enlightenment.html#939550 |
| 22:06:55 | NetAmp | hah |
| 22:06:58 | mark | [DrEvil]: a power of two i'd presume...... |
| 22:07:03 | mark | NetAmp: they are on the sweet spot! |
| 22:07:04 | mark | :P |
| 22:07:09 | NetAmp | *lolz* |
| 22:07:12 | NetAmp | mark: indeed ;) |
| 22:07:15 | NetAmp | they are |
| 22:07:17 | mark | [DrEvil]: i dont mean that. ignore me |
| 22:07:20 | ][N-Flux | pal is also overpriced |
| 22:07:24 | ][N-Flux | palm even |
| 22:07:50 | Nadav | heh |
| 22:08:03 | [DrEvil] | it's like this |
| 22:08:10 | [DrEvil] | can I say the ramdisk is 20 megs |
| 22:08:18 | mark | NetAmp: we should overlay that graph with an opie one |
| 22:08:24 | [DrEvil] | or some odd number like that |
| 22:09:25 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: hmm? yes, as long as you express it in k |
| 22:09:35 | [DrEvil] | thanks |
| 22:09:40 | [DrEvil] | that is what I needed |
| 22:09:42 | mark | JasonNJ: handago complaint; if you are charging for an app it forces you into saying its commercial for license |
| 22:09:42 | NetAmp | mark: wahaha, yeah! and then mail it to them :P |
| 22:09:43 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: 20-12 was one of the first mtd/ram balances.. on the first sharp roms |
| 22:09:46 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: heh |
| 22:09:54 | NetAmp | mark: or at least put it on the OPIE site, hah |
| 22:09:58 | mark | NetAmp: hehe, |
| 22:10:04 | mark | gets gimp open |
| 22:10:45 | [DrEvil] | I was going to say 44megs of RAM and 20 megs of RAMDISK |
| 22:11:27 | [DrEvil] | kergoth: did you answer my question about what program to use to generate the kernel logo? |
| 22:11:59 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: no i didnt.. its just inlined. ask whardier, he did the openzaurus kernel boot logo |
| 22:12:13 | [DrEvil] | oh |
| 22:12:14 | [DrEvil] | ok |
| 22:12:14 | [DrEvil] | thanks |
| 22:12:26 | [DrEvil] | EvilKernel needs a new face |
| 22:15:56 | tux_mike | grumb,.e |
| 22:16:05 | tux_mike | they don't have any updates for rh for kde 3.0.1 |
| 22:17:59 | mark | compile it |
| 22:21:43 | NetAmp | mark: something like... this? :P http://www.remz-jay.org/~netamp/enlight-oz.gif |
| 22:22:44 | MrMeanor | netamp: :) |
| 22:23:00 | NetAmp | heh |
| 22:25:40 | NetAmp | however... it should probably move more to the right... ;) |
| 22:25:45 | NetAmp | the OZ dot |
| 22:26:02 | whardier | is trying to get intermezzo support for the Z |
| 22:26:05 | whardier | or atleast CODA |
| 22:26:08 | NetAmp | since it had more features than PocketPC >:) *grin* |
| 22:26:22 | Sniper | sup everyone |
| 22:26:30 | NetAmp | whardier: you're gonna degrade it to a friggin' metronome? |
| 22:26:32 | NetAmp | *lol* |
| 22:26:42 | whardier | a metronome? |
| 22:26:52 | whardier | Intermezzo the FS |
| 22:26:56 | NetAmp | hm ow *lol* |
| 22:27:16 | kergoth | whardier: needing a new network based fs eh? |
| 22:27:22 | whardier | not really |
| 22:27:22 | NetAmp | btw Shpongle is pretty nice work music, heh ;) |
| 22:27:27 | whardier | needing a new sync method |
| 22:27:27 | kergoth | man, life would really suck without procmail |
| 22:27:31 | kergoth | whardier: ah |
| 22:27:43 | whardier | using intermezzo I can sync the rootfs to my desktop |
| 22:27:51 | whardier | whenever I have networking activity |
| 22:27:54 | warmi | kergoth: and without outlook .. |
| 22:27:58 | warmi | heh |
| 22:28:06 | whardier | and when I don't have networking activity it caries on its little way |
| 22:28:22 | whardier | I don't think it works with jffs2 however |
| 22:28:31 | kergoth | bitkeeper rocks |
| 22:28:40 | kergoth | whardier: keep me posted with your progress |
| 22:29:07 | whardier | will do |
| 22:29:07 | whardier | testing with a UML as I go |
| 22:29:26 | whardier | probably one of the most sophisticated sync methods |
| 22:29:30 | whardier | a method you never have to sync |
| 22:31:46 | MrMeanor | has anyone successfully overclocked their zaurus here? |
| 22:32:23 | warmi | are you serious MrMeanor ? |
| 22:32:27 | Cloud | hehe |
| 22:32:43 | MrMeanor | yeah |
| 22:32:44 | warmi | how would you do it ? |
| 22:32:45 | Cloud | i was just thinking...i just got mine! i surely don't want to fry it yet |
| 22:33:05 | MrMeanor | i want some better gameplay in snes |
| 22:33:14 | mark | NetAmp: hehe, i was gonna carry a straight line from the sweet point on |
| 22:33:22 | NetAmp | mark: hah! ;) |
| 22:33:30 | warmi | yeah, but HOW would you do it ? is there some sort of BIOS equivelent on Z ? |
| 22:33:43 | MrMeanor | i'm not sure that's why i was asking |
| 22:33:49 | mark | NetAmp: then put OZ at the end |
| 22:33:52 | warmi | huh |
| 22:35:07 | Cloud | did you get the gnu boy to work MrMeanor: |
| 22:37:17 | tux_mike | warmi: i think it's set in runtime, but i don't know how. fastolfe was doing it, but he hasn't come back in here since he was canned from lineo. he did say he couldn't get too much performance out of the Z without it overheating |
| 22:37:58 | mark | fastolfe got sacked? |
| 22:38:43 | tux_mike | long time ago |
| 22:38:48 | tux_mike | went back to france |
| 22:38:57 | tux_mike | haven't heard a peep from him |
| 22:39:13 | mark | i knew he was in france |
| 22:39:20 | mark | didn't know he was sacked. jeeez. that guy rocked |
| 22:39:26 | tux_mike | yes he did |
| 22:39:43 | MrMeanor | Cloud: no i didn't |
| 22:39:59 | MrMeanor | that's my next project |
| 22:40:06 | Cloud | ooh if you get it let me know |
| 22:40:09 | MrMeanor | i will |
| 22:40:09 | Cloud | i tried it right off |
| 22:40:16 | MrMeanor | yeah me too |
| 22:40:16 | Cloud | my son sent me some roms |
| 22:40:23 | Cloud | it didn't work ;( |
| 22:40:38 | Cloud | the roms work on windows gba emulator |
| 22:40:43 | Cloud | snes ones too |
| 22:41:29 | whardier | its a rainin |
| 22:41:35 | MrMeanor | i'll see what i can do later tonight in my thinkning hours 12am - 4am |
| 22:41:58 | MrMeanor | i'm still groggy from waking up |
| 22:42:17 | MrMeanor | the fun of summer vacation |
| 22:45:14 | NetAmp | dang |
| 22:45:19 | NetAmp | I want that too |
| 22:45:43 | NetAmp | but I have a test week coming op :( |
| 22:45:45 | NetAmp | *sigh* |
| 22:47:03 | MrMeanor | i just got done with mine 2 weeks ago |
| 22:47:20 | MrMeanor | so it's going to bed at 6am and waking up at 3 |
| 22:47:45 | NetAmp | haha |
| 22:47:58 | NetAmp | I know that pattern pretty well ;) |
| 22:48:14 | NetAmp | oh well... I won't be doing that too much the first vacation weeks.. |
| 22:48:16 | Nadav | yep |
| 22:48:17 | NetAmp | have a jon |
| 22:48:19 | NetAmp | job |
| 22:48:20 | NetAmp | too |
| 22:48:38 | NetAmp | makin' some extra cash |
| 22:48:47 | NetAmp | (in my vacation, d'oh!) |
| 22:48:49 | NetAmp | heh |
| 22:48:56 | whardier | heh |
| 22:49:04 | whardier | hey cool |
| 22:49:08 | whardier | this spam said I was approved |
| 22:49:11 | whardier | I wonder if its a chick |
| 22:49:14 | NetAmp | wahah |
| 22:49:22 | NetAmp | you never know ;) |
| 22:49:29 | NetAmp | mail back :P |
| 22:49:31 | MrMeanor | yeah i'm taking a month hiatus before i start up in my next job |
| 22:50:04 | whardier | get lilo a job |
| 22:50:05 | whardier | heh |
| 22:50:31 | NetAmp | I have to work fulltime for like two weeks in order to get my hour-balance right |
| 22:50:45 | treke | please get him a job |
| 22:50:54 | treke | so we dont have to listen to him beg every day |
| 22:51:00 | whardier | hehe |
| 22:51:04 | whardier | I have been talking to him |
| 22:53:12 | NetAmp | hm my job isn't that great, but it lets me buy techy toys, and what more.. |
| 22:53:18 | Nasa | Where the hell is my memory going???? It is doing a disappearing act! |
| 22:53:19 | NetAmp | so I'm ok with it :P |
| 22:53:36 | NetAmp | Nasa: amnesia? |
| 22:53:55 | Nasa | NetAmp: that would suggest I could get it back.... |
| 22:54:04 | NetAmp | yeah ;) |
| 22:54:07 | whardier | I like to hold my nostrils |
| 22:54:13 | NetAmp | ??? |
| 22:54:17 | Nasa | ??? |
| 22:54:19 | NetAmp | err... right... |
| 22:54:22 | whardier | :P |
| 22:57:56 | NetAmp | I'm having a stack overflow |
| 22:58:06 | NetAmp | guess I do need some sleep to fix that |
| 22:58:09 | NetAmp | ;) |
| 22:58:14 | whardier | lethermans are from Heaven |
| 22:58:20 | treke | true dat |
| 22:59:41 | whardier | hmm |
| 22:59:55 | tux_mike | damnit damnit damnit |
| 23:00:01 | tux_mike | this memory is only 100mhz |
| 23:00:02 | whardier | hmmm |
| 23:00:06 | tux_mike | i bought 133 |
| 23:00:07 | whardier | DAAAAMMN! |
| 23:00:07 | tux_mike | >< |
| 23:00:23 | whardier | best buy shuold be required to pay for your feul when they give you the wrong thing |
| 23:00:57 | tux_mike | i bought it at cdw. not their fault, kingston's fault |
| 23:01:06 | whardier | DAMN THEM! |
| 23:01:11 | whardier | DAAAAMN THEM! |
| 23:01:16 | whardier | IF YOU WOULD HAVE ONLY BOUGHT PNY! |
| 23:01:20 | tux_mike | my system is now clocked at 100mhz on the memory bus, slowing everything down |
| 23:01:36 | tux_mike | pny. yay. then i can clock my bus at what, 133 khz? |
| 23:01:46 | whardier | hehehe |
| 23:01:55 | NetAmp | I've got Kingston too... DDR 512MB |
| 23:02:00 | NetAmp | 235 euros |
| 23:02:09 | NetAmp | ibot: change 235 EUR to USD |
| 23:02:15 | | NetAmp: 235.00 (Euro (EUR)) makes 224.865 (United States Dollar (USD)) |
| 23:02:20 | NetAmp | something like that :S |
| 23:02:23 | NetAmp | oh well.. |
| 23:02:53 | tux_mike | i need to get a half a gig module of pc 133 |
| 23:02:59 | tux_mike | and a 128 m module |
| 23:03:29 | whardier | I wouldn't mind some 1ghz ram |
| 23:03:42 | NetAmp | I still have pc133 left over ;) |
| 23:03:53 | NetAmp | I'll bring it over if someone pays the plane ticket :P |
| 23:04:07 | tux_mike | it'd cost less for the ram! :) |
| 23:04:14 | NetAmp | hah |
| 23:04:40 | NetAmp | you guys have fun with your Zs or whatever else... |
| 23:04:41 | NetAmp | l8r! |
| 23:05:17 | tux_mike | hrm... 56 for a 512 module |
| 23:05:28 | tux_mike | minus well buy two when i get the money |
| 23:07:07 | ljp | I wouldn't mind 23 second kernel compiles |
| 23:07:39 | tux_mike | ljp: p4 1.7GHz and a .99 kernel? :) |
| 23:08:11 | ljp | you'd need several in a cluster |
| 23:08:12 | whardier | has a small tiger on his lap |
| 23:11:05 | Speedy2 | re |
| 23:11:19 | ljp | has a zaurus in his shirt pocket |
| 23:12:38 | whardier | hehe |
| 23:12:46 | whardier | hey did you see the linksys WCF11 got a lot smaller? |
| 23:13:05 | whardier | http://www.linksys.com/products/product.asp?grid=22&prid=434 |
| 23:13:13 | ljp | tux_mike: no I was meaning a recent kernel compiling in 23 seconds |
| 23:13:28 | tux_mike | you said kernel compile :) |
| 23:13:28 | ljp | heh so will your wallet if you buy it |
| 23:13:43 | Speedy2 | heh |
| 23:15:07 | tux_mike | time to build kvim |
| 23:15:12 | whardier | I wonder if I can compile linux 1 |
| 23:15:16 | Speedy2 | hah |
| 23:16:14 | whardier | tries |
| 23:16:15 | whardier | haha |
| 23:16:16 | whardier | wow |
| 23:16:46 | ljp | vim is overrated |
| 23:16:53 | ljp | ducks fast |
| 23:17:20 | ljp | how fast did it compile? |
| 23:17:35 | tux_mike | yah, well, it's nowhere near as useless as emacs |
| 23:17:51 | tux_mike | ljp: 22 seconds :P |
| 23:17:59 | ljp | hmmm interesting |
| 23:18:40 | whardier | wow |
| 23:18:46 | whardier | Linux 1.0 was pretty advanced |
| 23:18:49 | Speedy2 | hah |
| 23:18:54 | whardier | either that or linux 2.4 is pretty fucking old |
| 23:18:58 | whardier | and antiquated |
| 23:19:07 | whardier | download linux-1.0 |
| 23:19:09 | whardier | its veeeery interesting |
| 23:19:24 | whardier | the first question it asks you is "Math Emulation (y/n)" |
| 23:19:29 | whardier | that scares me |
| 23:19:48 | ljp | whardier: the real question is can you boot it up? |
| 23:19:58 | whardier | I can test it in vmware |
| 23:20:00 | whardier | using grub :P |
| 23:20:30 | whardier | [ ] linux-1.0.tar.bz2 12-Mar-1994 16:00 993k |
| 23:20:31 | whardier | heh |
| 23:20:45 | ljp | hehe |
| 23:20:59 | whardier | [ ] linux-2.5.23.tar.gz 18-Jun-2002 19:17 33.0M |
| 23:21:50 | ljp | hmm |
| 23:22:19 | warmi | ljp: vim is overrated ?? anything starting with vi* is waay overrated |
| 23:22:25 | Harlekin | and both take the same time to download |
| 23:22:35 | Harlekin | first maybe even longer |
| 23:22:38 | Harlekin | at that date |
| 23:23:10 | tux_mike | at least vim is not the 600lb gorilla that is emacs :P |
| 23:23:38 | ljp | my emacs fits on the zaurus and is smaller than vi |
| 23:23:42 | warmi | everything has its use ... even 600lb gorilla |
| 23:23:48 | whardier | slaps all of you |
| 23:23:49 | whardier | JED! |
| 23:23:57 | ljp | sed |
| 23:23:58 | tux_mike | that's microemacs, and that has no features. |
| 23:24:01 | whardier | sex! |
| 23:24:01 | tux_mike | cat! |
| 23:24:09 | whardier | ? |
| 23:24:17 | warmi | what is JED ? |
| 23:24:21 | ljp | sex with cat?? |
| 23:24:22 | warmi | some sort of VI clone / |
| 23:24:23 | warmi | ? |
| 23:24:49 | whardier | JED is a bit from column a |
| 23:24:53 | ljp | hmmm-> bash: sex: command not found |
| 23:24:53 | tux_mike | sex with cat sick and disturbing |
| 23:24:55 | whardier | a bit from column B |
| 23:25:06 | whardier | ljp apt-get install sex |
| 23:25:17 | warmi | in effect no personality of its own |
| 23:25:19 | warmi | hehe |
| 23:25:20 | ljp | ahh I thought it was apt-get laid |
| 23:25:28 | tux_mike | are you crazy or senile? a little from column a, a little from column b! |
| 23:25:33 | Harlekin | apt-get muh |
| 23:25:50 | ljp | muh? |
| 23:26:32 | Harlekin | arg |
| 23:26:39 | tux_mike | gah |
| 23:27:29 | warmi | tux_mike: you are vi fan ? |
| 23:27:58 | tux_mike | i use vi. vi is easier to use than emacs :) |
| 23:28:24 | ljp | I use notepad |
| 23:28:32 | warmi | so is a showel but .. |
| 23:28:36 | warmi | eh never mind |
| 23:28:57 | ljp | vercel, hmmmm.... |
| 23:29:05 | warmi | ljp:notepad on NT kick ass |
| 23:29:15 | warmi | no more 64 Kb limitation |
| 23:29:16 | warmi | lol |
| 23:29:38 | ljp | ha |
| 23:29:51 | ljp | who needs to edit anything over 64 kb? |
| 23:29:58 | warmi | hehehe |
| 23:30:04 | warmi | that is true ... |
| 23:30:22 | warmi | there is something wrong if your c or C++ doesn't fit in 64 kb |
| 23:30:32 | ljp | haha |
| 23:30:49 | Harlekin | at least in c++ |
| 23:31:00 | warmi | unless you are big time into loop unrolling |
| 23:31:18 | ljp | someone send me a new hard drive for some testing |
| 23:31:36 | warmi | ljp; you can pick up 80 Gb for $90 these days |
| 23:31:42 | ljp | oh I know |
| 23:31:44 | warmi | a frigging 80 GB !! |
| 23:31:49 | warmi | ins't that amazing ? |
| 23:31:58 | ljp | heh ya. I have a 40 mb drive in my p100 |
| 23:32:25 | ljp | try compiling yer linux 1 kernel on that whardier! |
| 23:32:36 | warmi | in 1993 or 94 I paid $200 for 100 MB for my Amiga |
| 23:33:14 | warmi | ljp: uh .. your desktop machine is p100 ? |
| 23:33:15 | ljp | I upgraded my Amiga 500 to 1mb.. in 1989 |
| 23:33:36 | ljp | heh.. no, I do have a p100 w a 40 mb drive, tho |
| 23:34:17 | warmi | I have this rotation system which I use when upgrading my boxes |
| 23:34:26 | warmi | I ahve 6 comps at my place |
| 23:34:37 | warmi | and the oldest one used to be 486 .. |
| 23:34:43 | warmi | these days it is Celeron 300 |
| 23:34:50 | warmi | that tells you something .. |
| 23:34:51 | kergoth | i gave away all my old boxes |
| 23:34:54 | kergoth | now i just have one |
| 23:34:55 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:35:23 | warmi | and the top of the line is 1.1 Ghz Atlhon ... |
| 23:35:26 | ljp | I got parts strewn across my dining room table, and underneath,, and all around eberywhere |
| 23:35:27 | MrMeanor | i still got my 386 box on my desk for my oldschool games: simcity, wolf3d, doom |
| 23:35:31 | warmi | time to upgrade again |
| 23:35:51 | ljp | I even have a 286! |
| 23:36:14 | whardier | hmm |
| 23:36:24 | whardier | I have 6 machines humming away under my desk |
| 23:36:27 | whardier | well 2 are on top |
| 23:36:28 | ljp | I'll trade someone that 286 for a new drive |
| 23:36:46 | ljp | it runs DOS |
| 23:36:47 | whardier | 286 is boogery |
| 23:36:50 | warmi | I can give you C-64 for that 286 |
| 23:36:55 | warmi | how's that ? |
| 23:36:56 | ljp | its upgraded to 486 |
| 23:37:08 | warmi | heh |
| 23:37:13 | whardier | wha? |
| 23:37:17 | warmi | was it even possible to upgrade to 486 ? |
| 23:37:30 | ljp | yes.. the processor anyway |
| 23:37:42 | BigBoss | oh this is very strange |
| 23:37:49 | BigBoss | I just installed an application on my Z |
| 23:37:50 | warmi | who do you have running on that box ? |
| 23:38:01 | BigBoss | now it is looping between the boot sequence and the "Please wait" screen |
| 23:38:12 | ljp | warmi: the 286-486? DOS |
| 23:38:41 | ljp | BB: what app? an opie one ;) |
| 23:38:52 | warmi | yeah, what app is that ? |
| 23:39:01 | warmi | so we can avoid your fate |
| 23:39:02 | BigBoss | the app isn't what is the problem |
| 23:39:09 | BigBoss | something is wrong with the file system it looks like |
| 23:39:18 | BigBoss | I keep seeing errors about free inodes |
| 23:39:30 | ljp | hmmm.. yep |
| 23:39:31 | BigBoss | and that it is fixing them |
| 23:39:36 | kergoth | odd, for some reason my linux box at home will NOT obtain an ip via dhcp. if i assign it manually, its fine... if i reboot into windows, it gets an ip from dhcp fine. grr |
| 23:40:16 | ljp | hmmm |
| 23:40:32 | warmi | BB: I guess hard reset is in order |
| 23:40:58 | ljp | naa he can just reboot |
| 23:41:13 | BigBoss | reboot didn't do it |
| 23:41:15 | BigBoss | had to hard reset |
| 23:41:18 | BigBoss | which did clear it |
| 23:42:36 | warmi | ljp: going back to that harddrive ... |
| 23:42:49 | ljp | hehe |
| 23:42:51 | warmi | perhaps you are willing to trade one of your Zs for some nice HD .. |
| 23:42:55 | warmi | ? |
| 23:42:57 | warmi | hehe |
| 23:43:12 | ljp | better be scsi3 15000rpm |
| 23:43:18 | Speedy2 | hrm |
| 23:43:20 | Speedy2 | Yes |
| 23:43:22 | Speedy2 | YES |
| 23:43:25 | Speedy2 | Ok |
| 23:43:33 | Speedy2 | HOw about 10K RPM, 18.4GIG? |
| 23:43:35 | warmi | oh .. scsi is way overrated |
| 23:43:40 | Speedy2 | Utlra-160 |
| 23:43:45 | ljp | I need Z's for testing purposes |
| 23:43:53 | warmi | so do I !! |
| 23:43:57 | warmi | :-) |
| 23:44:02 | Speedy2 | I need a woman for testing purposes |
| 23:44:09 | ljp | scsi still rules for sustained throughput |
| 23:44:11 | Speedy2 | Yes |
| 23:44:19 | Speedy2 | I get 38MB/sec sustained on my UltraWide right here |
| 23:44:29 | Speedy2 | And I get a new SCSI card next week :( |
| 23:44:30 | Speedy2 | :) |
| 23:44:32 | Speedy2 | U230 |
| 23:44:33 | warmi | scsi: hehe ... RAM rules for sustained throutput |
| 23:44:35 | Speedy2 | U320 even |
| 23:45:03 | ljp | needs a new scsi card |
| 23:45:15 | warmi | uh ,... I wasn't talking to scsi: but to ljp in case there is any doubt about that |
| 23:45:21 | warmi | I need something to eat |
| 23:45:28 | Speedy2 | This free printer kicks ass |
| 23:45:41 | warmi | free printer ? |
| 23:45:42 | ljp | free printer? |
| 23:45:44 | Speedy2 | Yeah |
| 23:45:47 | Speedy2 | Alps MD-1000 |
| 23:45:54 | warmi | how come it is free ? |
| 23:45:57 | Speedy2 | 1200x600 photorealistic "ink jet" with dry ink! |
| 23:46:02 | ljp | you got it when you signed up for a year of AOL? |
| 23:46:04 | Speedy2 | It's like a ribbon kind of thing |
| 23:46:04 | Speedy2 | Hahah |
| 23:46:05 | Speedy2 | No |
| 23:46:07 | Speedy2 | Loacl dude |
| 23:46:12 | Speedy2 | Didn't know what it was or if it was working |
| 23:46:22 | Speedy2 | I just cleaned it up (nasty dust and dirt) |
| 23:46:29 | Speedy2 | And plugged in, installed drivers, and WHAM |
| 23:46:34 | ljp | nice |
| 23:46:41 | Speedy2 | Indeed |
| 23:46:44 | ljp | likes free hardware |
| 23:46:46 | Speedy2 | Now printing a picture of an F-40 |
| 23:46:48 | MrMeanor | http://www.streettech.com/archives_Hardware/md1000Printer.html |
| 23:46:50 | warmi | ALPS MD-1000 costs $350 |
| 23:46:52 | Speedy2 | Yes |
| 23:47:21 | Speedy2 | It makes passes of the image with different colors |
| 23:47:27 | Speedy2 | Prints one colors, sucks it back, makes another pass, etc. |
| 23:47:34 | Speedy2 | Comes out looking nice. |
| 23:47:40 | warmi | does the output really look photorealistic ? |
| 23:47:41 | kergoth | I need to pick up 6 10k rpm ultra wide drives. they should be avail for dirt cheap nwoadays |
| 23:47:56 | ljp | 6? for what? |
| 23:48:09 | MSpin | kergoth: fujitsu drives on eBay:) |
| 23:48:19 | MSpin | get the SCA ones |
| 23:48:26 | warmi | hehe ... he is expanding his Z |
| 23:48:29 | kergoth | ljp: i have a 3 channel caching raid controller |
| 23:48:34 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Check the /msg I sent you |
| 23:48:53 | ljp | nice |
| 23:49:12 | kergoth | right now i'm using 5 old ass 5400rpm fast scsi2 2 gig drives |
| 23:49:13 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:49:20 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Please check /msg I sent |
| 23:49:23 | kergoth | its surprisingly quick, given raid 0.. |
| 23:49:35 | MSpin | mmmmm...eBay |
| 23:49:48 | MSpin | lately I've been perusing it for telecom gear hehe |
| 23:51:20 | ljp | eBay.. do they sell girlfriends yet? |
| 23:51:27 | kergoth | ack |
| 23:51:43 | kergoth | i just realized that 2 hours have passed since i've done any real work, and an hour has past since i could go home |
| 23:51:44 | kergoth | wtf |
| 23:51:49 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:51:58 | MSpin | prolly on the baned product list |
| 23:52:00 | warmi | ljp: going back to your Zs ... how about a nice girfriend then ? |
| 23:52:20 | ljp | sure.. gimme a nice girlfriend and you can have BOTH z's |
| 23:52:28 | warmi | heheh |
| 23:52:28 | kergoth | shit checking out opie from cvs takes a long ass time |
| 23:52:39 | ljp | AND the 486 |
| 23:52:51 | warmi | I can give you one but if she runs away I still get to keep Zs .. |
| 23:52:59 | ljp | kergoth: thats why we want more modules |
| 23:53:14 | kergoth | ljp: yep. |
| 23:53:20 | ljp | ok.. leave her shoes there, tho |
| 23:53:29 | warmi | heh |
| 23:53:31 | kergoth | ljp: course we've been talking about more modules since early on in the project. heh |
| 23:53:51 | ljp | ya its just a pain to reloacet things |
| 23:53:59 | ljp | relocate even |
| 23:54:07 | kergoth | lol i like tille's cvs log messages there |
| 23:54:09 | kergoth | "." |
| 23:54:12 | kergoth | and... ".." |
| 23:54:44 | kergoth | jeeze i could spend hours a day just keeping up with linux-kernel. i need more time |
| 23:54:44 | ljp | hmmmm |
| 23:54:45 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:55:06 | warmi | hehehe |
| 23:55:29 | NoRemorse | can the Z mail client be told to check for mail periodically? |
| 23:55:48 | warmi | time to go home |
| 23:55:53 | warmi | see you later |
