| 00:00:04 | rodzilla | is it talking about RSA? |
| 00:00:27 | tux_mike | sftp/scp just die for me |
| 00:00:37 | rodzilla | adding an entry for it in my .ssh/config file |
| 00:02:39 | Aquarius | Hm. I'm not having any luck installing packages using QtopiaDesktop at all, but it syncs the addressbook and so on fine... |
| 00:03:37 | rodzilla | can you get lynx/links for z? |
| 00:09:32 | maven | Blast, still no luck. How can I get packages on to the Zaurus? Qt Desktop doesn't seem to work (network error 13), and i can't set up masquerading because I haven't got a command line on the Zaurus to add the routes... |
| 00:14:36 | ljp | maven: you can ftp into the Z on port 4242, rott/ and there's no password |
| 00:14:42 | ljp | err user root |
| 00:15:18 | maven | ljp: where do I put apps, though? If I just drop an app into the Applications directory, will it appear? Or do I need to create a .desktop file and put it somewhere? |
| 00:16:12 | ljp | put it in the Documents dir |
| 00:16:25 | maven | ha. Clever. :) |
| 00:16:27 | ljp | unless you have a cf or sd |
| 00:16:42 | maven | Don't have CF yet -- I only got the Zaurus yesterday. :) |
| 00:17:28 | maven | I still don't know why qtopiadesktop doesn't work, though. Comes up with a network error 13 when I try to install packages... |
| 00:17:30 | ljp | then Documents it is! |
| 00:17:55 | ljp | can you ping both the Z's ip? |
| 00:18:07 | rodzilla | is there a way to have opera or konq download files instead of trying to open them? |
| 00:18:20 | maven | ljp: both? |
| 00:18:22 | ljp | use wget |
| 00:18:45 | maven | ljp: yes. |
| 00:18:54 | ljp | ya.. say you setup the Z as 192.168.129.200 you should be able to ftp and ping to 192.168.129.201 |
| 00:19:16 | maven | ljp: yes, I can ping both 200 and 201. |
| 00:19:22 | Nasa | Is there a way to get the java programs off the sharp rom without having it installed? |
| 00:19:49 | ljp | without having what installed? |
| 00:20:05 | Nasa | The sharp rom, I have oz installed now.... |
| 00:20:06 | W|GGL|T | the rom |
| 00:20:40 | ljp | ya.. you'll have to mount a rom on your desktop.. and you'll need cramfs |
| 00:21:33 | y0ssarian | hello all |
| 00:21:39 | ljp | http://www.opie.us/opie/devZone.php/ZaurusMountROM.txt |
| 00:21:40 | W|GGL|T | hi y0ssarian |
| 00:22:02 | Nasa | Thanks ljp |
| 00:22:04 | maven | lo y0ssarian |
| 00:22:18 | y0ssarian | how's it going? |
| 00:23:00 | ljp | the home fs is in a tar ball thats in /root once you mount it |
| 00:23:38 | maven | ljp: so I'll have to manually unpack the Terminal ipk on my desktop machine and ftp the binary into the Documents directory on the Z? |
| 00:24:01 | ljp | no.. just upload the ipk and install from the Z |
| 00:24:26 | ljp | that was for java stuff |
| 00:24:56 | ljp | maven: be sure to use port 4242 and root/ |
| 00:26:22 | Nasa | ljp: I need some clarification. romimage = Sharp rom image initrd.bin = ??? |
| 00:27:00 | ljp | yes.. for the 5500 its called Ospack |
| 00:27:27 | ljp | you have to remove the initrd.bin from the bootloader, and zImage |
| 00:27:45 | ljp | and you'll be mounting initrd.bin |
| 00:28:09 | Nasa | ok, got it. One last question -- what device is /dev/loop0? |
| 00:28:23 | Nasa | do I need to create it? I am using devfs. |
| 00:29:12 | y0ssarian | Nasa: you don't need to create anything if you're using devfs |
| 00:29:20 | y0ssarian | it should automagically create it for you |
| 00:29:32 | y0ssarian | if you have the module for loopback loaded |
| 00:29:41 | y0ssarian | or builtin |
| 00:30:11 | Nasa | no, I don't have a modules 'loopback' loaded |
| 00:30:12 | extremis | so, I got the 5500 |
| 00:30:22 | extremis | and a smc 2642w |
| 00:30:27 | extremis | the smc is a good buy |
| 00:30:34 | extremis | $129, small , and low power |
| 00:30:37 | y0ssarian | hrm, i don't know if the module is called loopback |
| 00:30:46 | maven | ljp: ah, right, got a Terminal. Thanks for that. :) |
| 00:30:48 | y0ssarian | extremis: i got my smc for $101 |
| 00:30:57 | ljp | :D |
| 00:30:58 | maven | ljp: Any suggestions as to why QtopiaDesktop doesn't work? |
| 00:31:03 | extremis | y0ssarian: got a good kismet conf file? |
| 00:31:53 | ljp | maven: download the latest qtopiadesktop version from here-> ftp://ftp.trolltech.com/qtopia/ |
| 00:32:08 | y0ssarian | extremis: try this one: http://www.kismetwireless.net/code/kismet-zaurus.conf |
| 00:32:49 | maven | ljp: I did, about half an hour ago :( |
| 00:33:32 | ljp | oh |
| 00:33:35 | y0ssarian | Nasa: loopback module is called loop.o |
| 00:34:44 | Nasa | yOssarian: yeah, I just figured that out. Maybe I should look more before making an ass out of myself |
| 00:34:59 | y0ssarian | Nasa: lol, it's okay |
| 00:35:03 | y0ssarian | everyone here is an ass |
| 00:35:16 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 00:35:28 | W|GGL|T | smells like ass in here |
| 00:35:39 | y0ssarian | opens a window |
| 00:35:40 | Nasa | ah, I am in good company.... |
| 00:36:10 | rodzilla | are there ipkg files for opie on zaurus, or do you have to compile? |
| 00:37:16 | W|GGL|T | http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/ |
| 00:39:02 | rodzilla | cool |
| 00:39:37 | rodzilla | do I use the qpe-appROM app to install oz? |
| 00:40:28 | W|GGL|T | no |
| 00:40:35 | W|GGL|T | at least, i diddnt |
| 00:40:39 | W|GGL|T | didnt |
| 00:40:57 | y0ssarian | thats a good question |
| 00:41:03 | y0ssarian | why don't you try it rodzilla ;)? |
| 00:41:26 | W|GGL|T | it kept telling me "image not found" |
| 00:43:33 | y0ssarian | hrm, i bet that the sharp roms are signed somehow to prevent you from flashing with a corrupt image |
| 00:43:48 | y0ssarian | or at least, that's how i would do it ;) |
| 00:45:04 | Nasa | did zauruzone lose all the old post? |
| 00:45:24 | Cloud | don't think so |
| 00:45:30 | W|GGL|T | dunno...i havent been there in days |
| 00:45:42 | Cloud | jason said new one shouldd be up very soon |
| 00:46:13 | Nasa | hmm. there use to be a post about what files from the sharp rom you need to run java on oz. But I can't find it now. |
| 00:49:37 | W|GGL|T | when flashing OZ, i had the damnedest time pressing both the C key and the D key |
| 00:49:50 | W|GGL|T | AND reset |
| 00:50:41 | W|GGL|T | the sharp site doesn't mention pressing those keys either |
| 00:51:17 | Nasa | Those are the buttons for flashing anything though.... |
| 00:51:57 | Nasa | and for us foolsih guys -- what files are needed for jeorde java? So I can move them to OZ. |
| 00:53:02 | W|GGL|T | Nasa: but i needed to press them in order to flash OZ...couldn't do it without pressing them, |
| 00:53:44 | W|GGL|T | the OZ site flash instructions were saying to look at sharp's instructions |
| 00:53:57 | Nasa | WIGGLIT: yes, you need to press those keys to flash any rom. Do it a few times and it will become pretty easy |
| 00:54:31 | W|GGL|T | has big hands and he's 34 yrs old...doubt he'll become limber in the fingers :o) |
| 00:54:58 | Nasa | Ah come on -- I'm 32 and still can do it |
| 00:55:16 | W|GGL|T | maybe you're more sheltered :o) |
| 00:55:29 | W|GGL|T | anyways....do you have to use that key combo for sharp's rom? |
| 00:55:45 | Nasa | And if you want step by step instructions -- download a sharp rom, unzip it and read the readme |
| 00:56:04 | Nasa | It's pretty good -- and the process is the same for OZ |
| 00:56:17 | Nasa | except the files (of course) |
| 00:56:22 | W|GGL|T | just wondering why i found two different flash instructions |
| 01:03:41 | rodzilla | so which instructions worked for you W|GGL|T? |
| 01:04:03 | W|GGL|T | http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/rom_upgrade_howto.shtml |
| 01:05:31 | rodzilla | thx |
| 01:06:45 | rodzilla | do you have to do it with CF card? or can you do it just as easily with SD? |
| 01:06:53 | W|GGL|T | brb...gotta put my daughters in bed |
| 01:06:56 | W|GGL|T | CF |
| 01:08:30 | rodzilla | I got a 48mb CF card that I replaced with a 64mb card, I'll use the 48mb as my rom card... |
| 01:11:29 | Nasa | could some one tell me where to go to find out how to setup supermount? |
| 01:12:00 | Nasa | wrong list -- sorry |
| 01:17:28 | Nasa | and for us foolsih guys -- what files are needed for jeorde java? So I can move them to OZ. |
| 01:19:44 | nicodeimous | Is thier Jeode for OZ? |
| 01:20:21 | Nasa | I am ripping it off the sharp rom (since I bought the z, I think I can do that) |
| 01:21:28 | nicodeimous | Will it work in OZ? |
| 01:23:02 | Nasa | from what I hear... I just need to know what files they are |
| 01:23:56 | nicodeimous | Ah. |
| 01:24:26 | nicodeimous | What cool rom images are thier out thier? Sharp, OZ, Paul Flibbers, any others? |
| 01:24:31 | rodzilla | what do I need to do if the SD icon no longer shows up when I insert an SD card? |
| 01:25:10 | rodzilla | thought I saw a cf/sd format utility for the z, is that right? |
| 01:25:12 | Nasa | nicodeimous -- I think that's about it |
| 01:25:41 | nicodeimous | which do you think is the best? |
| 01:25:56 | Nasa | OZ |
| 01:26:18 | nicodeimous | -smile- How can I get Hancom Word installed on OZ? |
| 01:26:43 | Nasa | install like any other ipkg file. I used oipkg |
| 01:27:02 | nicodeimous | I did, it dosen't run after istallation. |
| 01:27:42 | Nasa | hmm. I only had problems with presenter. |
| 01:27:51 | nicodeimous | nod |
| 01:29:04 | nicodeimous | Does the Paul rom work on the SL5500? |
| 01:29:26 | Nasa | It should, but I wouldn't know. I only have the SL5000 |
| 01:29:42 | nicodeimous | Ah ... I have a SL5500 |
| 01:30:01 | Nasa | hmm. |
| 01:31:03 | nicodeimous | Does it allow the user to right to the 16 mb rom? |
| 01:31:55 | nicodeimous | er write |
| 01:32:34 | Nasa | No, the Paul one doesn't -- OZ on the othe rhand may |
| 01:32:51 | nicodeimous | I know OZ does :) |
| 01:34:16 | Nasa | Well, the paul rom -- I am not totally sure. I haven't used it for a long time. |
| 01:34:42 | nicodeimous | Nod I am going to try OZ. You on for awhile? |
| 01:34:59 | Nasa | Yeah, and I love it |
| 01:35:03 | nicodeimous | nod |
| 01:35:07 | Nasa | background is really cool |
| 01:35:32 | nicodeimous | How do you get the USBNet working consitantly? |
| 01:36:59 | Nasa | I use mandrake cooker -- the latest kernel has the usbdnet module already compiled. So I just insmod it in. Press the sync button and it's all good. |
| 01:37:18 | nicodeimous | I use WinXP Pro. |
| 01:38:14 | nicodeimous | can I use QPE on OZ? |
| 01:38:38 | Nasa | QPE? Not sure what that is... |
| 01:38:44 | nicodeimous | QTopia |
| 01:38:51 | treke|home | nicodeimous : OPIE is far nicer than QPE was |
| 01:39:27 | nicodeimous | nod |
| 01:41:18 | ScooterTrash | Q: QtopiaDesktop 1.5/Linux does not give me a LAN option -- Help? |
| 01:41:20 | nicodeimous | How do I make the OZ storage ram use leaner? |
| 01:42:53 | y0ssarian | nicodeimous: don't install so much stuff ;) |
| 01:43:21 | nicodeimous | This is from the base install of the rom. Out of 32 it uses 20. |
| 01:43:33 | y0ssarian | 20 mb of storage?? |
| 01:43:35 | y0ssarian | hmm |
| 01:43:39 | y0ssarian | i dunno... |
| 01:44:48 | nicodeimous | jffs2 = 10 used of 14 max / mnt/ram minix 21 used of 32 max. |
| 01:45:10 | nicodeimous | Just looking for any ways to reduce the amount of used storage. |
| 01:45:20 | Nasa | go to go -- cya |
| 01:47:50 | y0ssarian | nicodeimous: go to console and type df -h |
| 01:48:32 | nicodeimous | okay |
| 01:49:07 | y0ssarian | and report ;) |
| 01:49:40 | y0ssarian | actually, i've gotta go |
| 01:49:42 | y0ssarian | ttyl |
| 01:50:49 | nicodeimous | They are; /dev/mtblock4 14.1 used 10.7 /dev/mmcda1 25.5 used 19.5 /dev/mtblock6 31.6 used 1.0k |
| 01:52:00 | nicodeimous | sigh |
| 01:54:06 | rodzilla | anybody remember what devices to mount usb cf reader from? thought it was one of the sg# devices |
| 01:58:23 | roge99 | rodzilla: usuallay /dev/sd[letter] |
| 01:58:43 | rodzilla | thx |
| 01:58:58 | ScooterTrash | Yeah, any USB Storage I enver had was /dev/sda |
| 01:59:10 | ScooterTrash | (I have no real SCSI) |
| 01:59:13 | nicodeimous | how do I setup usb net connection with OZ and XP? |
| 01:59:23 | rodzilla | doh! I didn't have usb-storage loaded |
| 02:00:12 | Speedy2 | You can't use a USB HDD on the Z...no USB host. |
| 02:00:44 | rodzilla | doing this on my pc... |
| 02:01:05 | Speedy2 | Ah |
| 02:10:12 | wembly | what is the point of /var/mnt/ide ? |
| 02:10:30 | wembly | some remnent of their prototype system? |
| 02:12:01 | nicodeimous | How do I get the usbnet working on OZ? |
| 02:12:30 | Speedy2 | wembly: You can mount a CF card as an IDE device... |
| 02:13:09 | ScooterTrash | CF harddrive? |
| 02:13:12 | Speedy2 | sigh |
| 02:13:36 | Speedy2 | CompactFlash cards can be accessed as an IDE device. And yes you can even attach IDE disks to the CF port, I've done it and wrote a StrongARM Linux driver for it. |
| 02:16:03 | rodzilla | getting ready to install oz on my z |
| 02:16:22 | rodzilla | how do you configure wireless in oz when you don't have gui installed yet? ifconfig? |
| 02:24:21 | rodzilla | uh, where is the full reset button? looking, but don't see one |
| 02:25:06 | nicodeimous | Will familiar rom image work on the SL5500? |
| 02:28:57 | Aquarius | Help: I'm trying to get the usb0 interface to appear under Linux so I can sync with my Zaurus, and it's not working... |
| 02:29:12 | nicodeimous | So am I. |
| 02:29:54 | Aquarius | It worked earlier, but I had to reboot, and now it's not appearing at all...:( |
| 02:31:01 | nicodeimous | I can't get anything to work over the usb0 |
| 02:31:48 | Aquarius | ah, it's not that I can't get anything to *work*, I haven't even *got* a usb0 interface. |
| 02:31:54 | ljp | what does lsmod tell you? |
| 02:32:19 | Aquarius | ljp: usbcore, usb-uhci, usbdnet all loaded. |
| 02:33:46 | nicodeimous | usbdcore, usbdmonitor, net_fd, sa1100_bi, sharp_mmcsd_h |
| 02:34:05 | nicodeimous | How do I load the usb for network use? |
| 02:35:00 | ][N-Flux | damn :) |
| 02:35:22 | rodzilla | flashing oz on my z now |
| 02:35:23 | Nadav | lol |
| 02:35:30 | Aquarius | nuts the screen in frustration. It worked earlier! Argh! |
| 02:36:54 | ][N-Flux | doom port ever come out? |
| 02:36:56 | ljp | nicodeimous: how about doing lsmod on your desktop, assuming your using linux |
| 02:37:30 | Aquarius | ah! I rebooted the Z and it's come alive again. Hm. :) |
| 02:38:05 | Aquarius | Memo to self: if qtopiadesktop crashes, reboot Z. |
| 02:38:14 | rodzilla | oz is starting! cool logo! |
| 02:39:27 | Nadav | lol Aquarius |
| 02:40:42 | Aquarius | rodzilla: What's oz? |
| 02:40:55 | Speedy2 | Oz is a place with crazy criminals |
| 02:41:09 | rodzilla | wow lots of free memory with the no-ramdisk kernel |
| 02:41:13 | rodzilla | oz = OpenZaurus |
| 02:41:32 | rodzilla | openzaurus.sourceforge.net |
| 02:44:37 | | oz is, like, see openzaurus |
| 02:44:37 | ljp | ibot: oz |
| 02:44:37 | nicodeimous | desktop is Winxp |
| 02:44:45 | | hmmm... openzaurus is a Community version of the operating environment for the Sharp Zaurus SL-5x00[d] PDA. See http://openzaurus.sf.net/. or http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/ |
| 02:44:45 | ljp | ibot: openzaurus |
| 02:45:18 | nicodeimous | So far I have not be able to get the OZ to go online. The sharp image does go online with little effort. |
| 02:45:24 | Aquarius | erm! Just rebooted the Z again and I've just got arather streaky screen and no reboot... |
| 02:48:01 | ljp | nicodeimous: try going to the security settings app and choosing your ip range. Any will open them all |
| 02:48:39 | nicodeimous | I used the ip range of 192.168.0.0/16 and the any. No ping at all. |
| 02:49:37 | ljp | by default, the Z is at 192.168.129.200 or .201 |
| 02:50:21 | W|GGL|T | wow...lots of people chatting tonight |
| 02:50:34 | ljp | chit chat |
| 02:51:05 | ljp | discovering the finer points of openzaurus development |
| 02:51:50 | nicodeimous | okay ... nothing so far. |
| 02:52:15 | ljp | nicodeimous: one thing you'll want to do is run /etc/init.d/atd start |
| 02:52:57 | W|GGL|T | it doesn't start on it's own? |
| 02:53:12 | W|GGL|T | because i didnt do that when i flashed OZ |
| 02:53:16 | ljp | slight bug keeps it from starting |
| 02:53:26 | W|GGL|T | oops |
| 02:53:57 | nicodeimous | cannot chdir |
| 02:54:03 | ljp | oh that just make sure when you resume, that you'll have proper time set |
| 02:54:51 | nicodeimous | okay got it running ... now what? |
| 02:55:09 | ljp | nicodeimous: what ip did you give the Z's usb device on winxp? |
| 02:56:58 | nicodeimous | 192.168.129.200 |
| 02:57:12 | ljp | can you ping? |
| 02:57:50 | nicodeimous | nope |
| 02:58:19 | nicodeimous | Allthough I have four stream connections listed when I type netstat now instead of two. |
| 02:58:41 | ljp | hmm |
| 02:59:34 | nicodeimous | Should I add a network service? If so what one? |
| 02:59:45 | ljp | try unplugging the usb device from the icon in the taskbar |
| 02:59:56 | ljp | oohh |
| 03:00:04 | ljp | tcp/ip |
| 03:00:18 | ljp | wait.. hmmm |
| 03:00:51 | ljp | is that from network conntections? |
| 03:01:31 | nicodeimous | still can not ping. |
| 03:01:40 | nicodeimous | Nod network connections |
| 03:02:07 | nicodeimous | The network icon in settings. |
| 03:02:30 | ljp | and the connect for the usb device is enabled in network connections applet? |
| 03:02:52 | nicodeimous | thier isn't even an option for the usb device. |
| 03:03:03 | nicodeimous | just Lan and Dial-up |
| 03:03:06 | wembly | nicodeimous: do you have any SNAT setup for that interface? |
| 03:03:16 | nicodeimous | SNAT? |
| 03:03:30 | wembly | hehe nm. |
| 03:03:44 | wembly | whats the problem? |
| 03:04:07 | nicodeimous | cannot get any online connectivity. |
| 03:04:16 | wembly | define 'online connectivity' |
| 03:05:07 | ljp | no pingi |
| 03:05:23 | wembly | is the usb device detected by the system? |
| 03:05:38 | nicodeimous | no ping, no feeds, no sync. |
| 03:05:45 | wembly | yes |
| 03:05:50 | wembly | but does it show up on the host system? |
| 03:05:54 | wembly | aka on the pc |
| 03:05:58 | nicodeimous | Yeah the WinXP system sees the Zaurus as a network device. |
| 03:06:00 | wembly | is it detected by the pc? |
| 03:06:03 | wembly | ahh |
| 03:06:07 | wembly | herm. |
| 03:06:17 | wembly | win xp? |
| 03:06:26 | wembly | thats one system i havnt played with the zaurus on :/ |
| 03:06:26 | nicodeimous | This issue is only a problem I am having with the OZ. The sharp image has no issues. |
| 03:06:38 | wembly | herm... |
| 03:06:43 | wembly | OZ uses opie? |
| 03:07:25 | nicodeimous | Like I said I have a workin setup of the Z running the sharp image. Its worked fine for the last few months. Every time I have tried OZ though the usb network functions die off. |
| 03:07:37 | nicodeimous | SOOOOO ... I am trying to find out why. |
| 03:08:42 | Aquarius | right, fixed. Thanks for help, chaps. |
| 03:09:55 | rodzilla | hmmm |
| 03:09:59 | wembly | dunno |
| 03:10:00 | ljp | hmm.. where's kergoth when ya need him? |
| 03:10:12 | [DrEvil] | hiding |
| 03:10:12 | rodzilla | can't get my 802.11b cf card to work with oz |
| 03:10:15 | [DrEvil] | as well as he should |
| 03:10:22 | [DrEvil] | *sigh* |
| 03:10:23 | rodzilla | the led on the card keeps flashing |
| 03:10:32 | [DrEvil] | edit your /etc/pcmcia/wireless.opts |
| 03:10:37 | [DrEvil] | change SSID to ESSID |
| 03:10:58 | rodzilla | ah, thx |
| 03:14:09 | nicodeimous | This is very frustrateing. |
| 03:15:42 | W|GGL|T | proceeds to play with XP and the Z |
| 03:16:03 | ljp | ooo yer just rubbin it in, eh? |
| 03:16:39 | nicodeimous | ... |
| 03:17:18 | ljp | if I had winxp, I could help you better... sorry |
| 03:17:33 | W|GGL|T | no...i just installed OZ myself but have been using it with Linux only, though i've an XP box too |
| 03:17:43 | W|GGL|T | gonna see if OZ has problems with XP |
| 03:17:47 | ljp | oooo |
| 03:18:00 | rodzilla | [DrEvil] thx, I think I read about wireless.opts, but I forgot about it and freaked when I couldn't get wireless working... |
| 03:18:09 | nicodeimous | nod |
| 03:18:39 | nicodeimous | sigh ... |
| 03:18:40 | ljp | kergoth needs to update oz with these fixes that keep happening |
| 03:19:19 | W|GGL|T | damn....OZ isn't working with XP |
| 03:19:24 | nicodeimous | I have tried changeing the lan.conf [by copying it as a usb.conf file]. I have tried adding it to the network settings ... the ip is set and ready but still no ping. |
| 03:19:27 | W|GGL|T | was working fine with the sharp ROM |
| 03:19:34 | nicodeimous | Yeah same here. |
| 03:19:43 | ljp | hmmmmmm |
| 03:19:50 | MEGASTeP | is away: I'm away, dammit |
| 03:20:22 | nicodeimous | I like OZ, but lack of sync and inet limits its use to me. |
| 03:20:41 | ljp | what does ipconfig tell you? |
| 03:20:58 | ljp | well.. oz works fine here.. syncing to linux and win2k |
| 03:21:03 | nicodeimous | ipconfig -a? |
| 03:21:14 | ljp | no just ipconfig |
| 03:21:43 | ljp | or ipconfig /a for more info |
| 03:21:51 | trilluser | most of you fellas use the opera browser or konq? |
| 03:22:12 | [DrEvil] | each has strengths and weaknesses |
| 03:22:29 | ljp | depends on the platform ;) |
| 03:22:37 | [DrEvil] | I have both installed on my Z |
| 03:22:56 | trilluser | do like one more than the other? |
| 03:22:59 | nicodeimous | link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 40:00:01:00:00:01 / Inet addr:192.168.129.200 Bcast:192.168.129.255 mask 255.255.255.0 |
| 03:23:00 | ljp | has konq been updated lately? |
| 03:23:05 | trilluser | dunno |
| 03:23:11 | W|GGL|T | nicodeimous: that's from your Z? |
| 03:23:20 | ljp | no thats winxp |
| 03:23:33 | nicodeimous | Thats from the Z. |
| 03:23:36 | ljp | or is it? |
| 03:24:07 | W|GGL|T | my z is only showing loopback |
| 03:24:17 | nicodeimous | The WinXP machine reports ip = 192.168.129.200 gateway = 255.255.255.0 [same physical address] |
| 03:24:34 | nicodeimous | loopback is listed first, then the stuff I just typed/ |
| 03:25:01 | nicodeimous | 4B10e 4R10ight 4B10ack |
| 03:25:14 | ljp | well. my oz ifconfig -a only reports a loopback, an dsyncs fine |
| 03:25:26 | ljp | errt lemme put it on the cradle |
| 03:25:52 | ljp | address on the z should be 192.168.129.201 |
| 03:26:54 | nicodeimous | nod |
| 03:26:59 | nicodeimous | okay ... setting that now |
| 03:29:06 | nicodeimous | Nothing |
| 03:29:36 | W|GGL|T | yeah, i think i'll go back to the sharp rom...at least that one didn't have problems syncing to XP |
| 03:31:03 | W|GGL|T | doh...heard the 'ding' |
| 03:31:32 | nicodeimous | Yeah I hear that every time I lift it out of its cradle and put it back. |
| 03:32:04 | W|GGL|T | i wasn't hearing that before |
| 03:32:13 | W|GGL|T | grrr...but its not doing anything else |
| 03:32:24 | W|GGL|T | ips are all correct |
| 03:32:33 | nicodeimous | nod |
| 03:32:38 | ljp | unplug it from the icon, dont just pull it out of the cradle in windows.. |
| 03:32:51 | nicodeimous | I get no icon. |
| 03:33:00 | ljp | ip on the desktop still 192.168.129.200? |
| 03:33:29 | nicodeimous | If you mean the XP One, I have done that twice now. No I changed the ip to 192.168.129.201 |
| 03:33:29 | W|GGL|T | i get qtopia icon but the disconnected icon |
| 03:33:56 | nicodeimous | Well I don't even get the icon :) DO you have a modem with your z? |
| 03:34:50 | Nasa | ljp: what files are needed to get java running on OZ? |
| 03:36:53 | W|GGL|T | no |
| 03:43:40 | TSX-5 | damn computer locked up |
| 03:43:51 | kend-zaur | re |
| 03:43:56 | wembly | hihi |
| 03:44:03 | kend-zaur | i installed apache/php on my z just now |
| 03:44:08 | kend-zaur | i need docs!!! |
| 03:44:12 | TCLmeElmo | that's nice? |
| 03:44:16 | TCLmeElmo | for what purpose? |
| 03:44:18 | wembly | kend: docs for what? |
| 03:44:33 | kend-zaur | what do i do after installing ipk |
| 03:44:40 | TSX-5 | ljp: yu still here? What files are necessary to run java app on OZ? (ie from sharp rom) |
| 03:44:43 | TCLmeElmo | say you have it installed |
| 03:44:45 | kend-zaur | i have paul 1.12 rom which has boa, first off |
| 03:44:56 | | TSX-5: huh? |
| 03:44:56 | TSX-5 | ibot nasa |
| 03:45:04 | | kend-zaur: what? |
| 03:45:04 | kend-zaur | ibot apache |
| 03:45:06 | kend-zaur | grr |
| 03:45:09 | | kend-zaur: huh? |
| 03:45:09 | kend-zaur | ibot boa |
| 03:45:38 | kend-zaur | so now what? how can i shut off boa for good? |
| 03:45:45 | kend-zaur | should i grab server mgr? |
| 03:46:03 | kend-zaur | it doesnt seem to 'know' apache :^/ |
| 03:47:11 | kend-zaur | ZSI's entry for apache has no docs |
| 03:47:23 | kend-zaur | or webpage link.. just ipk :( |
| 03:48:55 | kend-zaur | hmmm |
| 03:53:51 | TSX-5 | Does anyon e know what files of off the sharp rom make java work? |
| 03:59:59 | TSX-5 | I think awt.jar, core.jar and libevmawt.so |
| 04:05:06 | W|GGL|T | crap....unit wont flash now |
| 04:05:32 | W|GGL|T | lights wont stay on when attempting a flash |
| 04:07:05 | W|GGL|T | doh....won't even power up |
| 04:08:51 | W|GGL|T | this SUCKS |
| 04:09:36 | TSX-5 | WIGGLIT: did you get a sharp rom with the instructions in it? |
| 04:09:37 | rodzilla | what would cause my SD to not auto-mount in oz? sd logo comes up when I manually mount |
| 04:10:31 | TSX-5 | rodzilla, what memory config you using? |
| 04:11:06 | rodzilla | you mean what kernel? the one that gives you all your 64mb |
| 04:11:26 | TSX-5 | I never got that kernel to work |
| 04:11:41 | rodzilla | it boots, but I'm having problems here and there... |
| 04:11:45 | rodzilla | sd doesn't automount |
| 04:11:53 | rodzilla | can't generate ssh key |
| 04:12:02 | rodzilla | which kernel you using? |
| 04:12:04 | TSX-5 | I always had strange problmes like the you mentoned. They went away with any other kernel |
| 04:12:25 | rodzilla | hehe, well I guess it's goodbye extra memory... |
| 04:13:05 | W|GGL|T | the rom i got is the latest rom...and im using an external website's instructions, the same one i used to get OZ up and running |
| 04:13:09 | TSX-5 | oh no, just choose something not so agressive. I use the 26-6 for mine (or is it the other way arund |
| 04:16:27 | rodzilla | 26+6=32 |
| 04:16:33 | rodzilla | don't I want them to =64? |
| 04:16:46 | TSX-5 | I have the 5000D, not the 5500 |
| 04:16:53 | rodzilla | ah |
| 04:17:22 | TSX-5 | look for something like 56-8 (or something like that) |
| 04:17:23 | rodzilla | what do the two numbers mean? ram/ramdrive size |
| 04:17:23 | rodzilla | ? |
| 04:17:36 | rodzilla | no 56-8 |
| 04:17:37 | rodzilla | but I see |
| 04:17:45 | rodzilla | 32-32 |
| 04:17:51 | rodzilla | 40-24 |
| 04:17:55 | rodzilla | 48-16 |
| 04:17:57 | W|GGL|T | that's a 5500 rom |
| 04:18:03 | TSX-5 | right |
| 04:18:18 | W|GGL|T | if it totals 64 |
| 04:18:32 | rodzilla | so does 32-32 mean I'll have 32 mem and 32 ramdisk? |
| 04:18:44 | TSX-5 | yeah -- 50/50 split |
| 04:18:56 | TSX-5 | But you don't need that much |
| 04:19:01 | rodzilla | so I could go 48-16 and have a little more ram |
| 04:19:12 | TSX-5 | yeah |
| 04:19:17 | rodzilla | and less ramdisk |
| 04:19:32 | rodzilla | ah |
| 04:19:33 | rodzilla | k |
| 04:20:12 | ljp | nicodeimous: ip on windows ip should be 192.168.129.200.. on z is 192.168.129.201 |
| 04:21:23 | nicodeimous | nod. |
| 04:21:34 | TSX-5 | ljp - do you know wha tfiles are needed for java on oz? |
| 04:21:49 | ljp | thos ones you said and evm |
| 04:21:56 | nicodeimous | I will look into it latter ... is thier any plans to offer a easier configuration option for the OZ and XP? |
| 04:22:09 | ljp | there's a list on zauruszone.. if they ever get it back up |
| 04:22:37 | ljp | nicodeimous: not sure why your having problems.. it works fine for me |
| 04:22:54 | nicodeimous | Your useing Win2k? |
| 04:23:33 | ljp | its the same thing basically |
| 04:24:29 | nicodeimous | Some changes that make the two different on networks. The driver model is slightly adjusted and their is the presence of both the default firewall and the built in ics options. |
| 04:24:37 | TSX-5 | ok, I have got to go -- early day tomorrow. CYA |
| 04:25:19 | nicodeimous | What I could not get is why the connection works fine over the Qtopia/ Sharp Image ... but bombs on the OZ/ Opie Image. |
| 04:26:14 | nicodeimous | I understand that the connection rocks on the linux side for instance, but I run a business and the systems I sync with aren't linux systems. OZ had attracked me because of the potential for some control over the filesystem. |
| 04:26:38 | W|GGL|T | ok...i think i know what i did wrong...gonna have to install OZ again before i go back to sharp's rom |
| 04:26:55 | nicodeimous | What? |
| 04:27:35 | W|GGL|T | i have to use that appROM ipk file in order to install the sharp ROM |
| 04:27:39 | W|GGL|T | i wasn't using that |
| 04:28:05 | nicodeimous | You can just flash from the ospack itself. |
| 04:28:35 | nicodeimous | I can email you the rom image. You flash it the same way you would the OZ rom. |
| 04:28:52 | W|GGL|T | ive just downloaded the rom image |
| 04:29:09 | W|GGL|T | it wasnt flashing when i just tried it a few minutes ago |
| 04:34:23 | nicodeimous | night |
| 04:34:31 | W|GGL|T | hrmm...OZ flashed again |
| 04:34:38 | W|GGL|T | doh...he left |
| 04:34:54 | rodzilla | only got the green light this time, no yellow/amber |
| 04:35:22 | rodzilla | ok, it went off, let me try again |
| 04:35:43 | W|GGL|T | he'd said to rename ospack.srom to ospack...i don't think that's right |
| 04:35:58 | W|GGL|T | instructions dont mention that |
| 04:36:57 | rodzilla | still only green light, I may reformat this card... |
| 04:44:09 | rodzilla | now it is flashing |
| 04:44:16 | rodzilla | stupid me forgot to plug in ac |
| 04:44:30 | W|GGL|T | doh |
| 04:46:37 | y0ssarian | does anyone know if wget on OZ supports ssl? |
| 04:49:28 | rodzilla | oz is booting with new 48-16 kernel |
| 04:50:56 | rodzilla | reconfiguring all packages has stopped echoing dots... |
| 04:51:08 | rodzilla | ah |
| 04:51:14 | rodzilla | working now |
| 05:03:04 | rodzilla | I'm getting read-only errors on my sd card |
| 05:03:17 | rodzilla | do I need to change perms in /dev? |
| 05:05:00 | W|GGL|T | good lord, its about time the sharp ROM started flashing |
| 05:06:13 | rodzilla | every time I try to install a pkg on my SD card it says permission denied, read-only |
| 05:06:28 | y0ssarian | hrm, might be mounted ro... |
| 05:06:50 | y0ssarian | ewww, i read something about a sandisk sd card with a physical problem... |
| 05:06:54 | rodzilla | it was automounted |
| 05:07:00 | rodzilla | that's what I have... |
| 05:07:02 | y0ssarian | where it marks the disk readonly |
| 05:07:08 | y0ssarian | is it brand new? |
| 05:07:11 | rodzilla | yeah |
| 05:07:17 | y0ssarian | that's probably it then |
| 05:07:29 | rodzilla | ah, there is a lock on the side of the card |
| 05:07:31 | y0ssarian | i deleted the email, i think it was on the zaurus-chat or something |
| 05:07:31 | rodzilla | let me check that |
| 05:07:34 | y0ssarian | k |
| 05:07:46 | W|GGL|T | it would be cool to add your own splash screen |
| 05:08:17 | sojourner | 128M SanDisk was a problem... mentioned in zaurus-general |
| 05:08:29 | y0ssarian | there ya go |
| 05:08:41 | sojourner | the newer ones apparently |
| 05:09:12 | rodzilla | that sucks, I have the 128mb sandisk sd |
| 05:09:17 | rodzilla | got it at a great price too |
| 05:09:18 | y0ssarian | doh |
| 05:09:20 | rodzilla | 63 buchs |
| 05:09:20 | sojourner | bummer |
| 05:09:28 | y0ssarian | they must have known it was defective ;) |
| 05:09:34 | W|GGL|T | heh |
| 05:09:41 | y0ssarian | wow, that's cheap |
| 05:09:51 | rodzilla | got it through pricewatch |
| 05:09:57 | rodzilla | was more expensive without |
| 05:10:04 | y0ssarian | eww, so good luck returning it... |
| 05:10:14 | y0ssarian | i guess there's prolly a manufact. warranty... |
| 05:10:25 | rodzilla | wonder if I should try to go through sandisk instead |
| 05:10:38 | rodzilla | of the retailer |
| 05:10:40 | y0ssarian | probably better than some random place you found on pricewatch |
| 05:10:50 | y0ssarian | what retailer? |
| 05:10:54 | rodzilla | cruxworks |
| 05:10:56 | y0ssarian | reputable? |
| 05:10:59 | y0ssarian | hrm, never heard |
| 05:11:08 | rodzilla | I've bought from them before |
| 05:11:29 | rodzilla | I can format it tho |
| 05:11:36 | y0ssarian | A full refund is due for products that are either: Defective, Damaged, Incomplete, Unopened, or the Wrong Product Shipped. All other types of returns will be charged a 15% restocking fee. |
| 05:11:36 | rodzilla | why can't I access it |
| 05:11:51 | y0ssarian | read the archive of zaurus-general |
| 05:13:04 | W|GGL|T | crap... got e2fsck error |
| 05:13:38 | W|GGL|T | asking if i want to repair fs |
| 05:14:02 | y0ssarian | go for it |
| 05:14:14 | y0ssarian | you only live once |
| 05:14:37 | W|GGL|T | thinks he broke his Z |
| 05:14:49 | W|GGL|T | nothing but a screen of 'y's now |
| 05:15:22 | y0ssarian | might be time for a hard reset... |
| 05:16:16 | W|GGL|T | ok...that seems to be working |
| 05:16:25 | W|GGL|T | yeah |
| 05:16:26 | W|GGL|T | thanks |
| 05:19:14 | W|GGL|T | dayam...almost forgot how to use sharp's ROM |
| 05:19:15 | W|GGL|T | hehe |
| 05:20:36 | W|GGL|T | the backup/restore utility should make a quick way to remove previous backup archives |
| 05:21:05 | y0ssarian | yeah, the backup/restore utility should do a lot of stuff that it doesn't ;) |
| 05:21:20 | W|GGL|T | hehe |
| 05:21:24 | y0ssarian | the opie one is better than the sharp one |
| 05:21:42 | W|GGL|T | there's an opie backup/restore util? |
| 05:21:47 | W|GGL|T | i was looking for that one |
| 05:21:50 | y0ssarian | i thought so... |
| 05:22:04 | W|GGL|T | for OZ |
| 05:23:37 | W|GGL|T | damn, my Z seems so plain now |
| 05:23:42 | y0ssarian | lol |
| 05:24:10 | y0ssarian | i definitly remember using a better backup util than the one that comes with the sharp rom... |
| 05:36:31 | y0ssarian | is away: sleep |
| 05:52:59 | W|GGL|T | made the mistake of trying to read the results of 'ps -aux' on the Z |
| 05:53:12 | W|GGL|T | vision is blurred |
| 06:43:05 | W|GGL|T | is away: I'm busy smoking a blunt or sleeping or something |
| 06:54:47 | wyvern | what's the disadvantage of having an SL-5000D as opposed to the SL-5500? |
| 06:54:59 | wyvern | I know the only difference is 32MB of ram, but how does this affect the PDA? |
| 06:55:34 | wyvern | and does it have a separate 16MB Flash? |
| 06:59:53 | warmi | the only difference is RAM |
| 07:00:07 | warmi | and contenst of the ROM |
| 07:00:17 | wyvern | yes, but how does that affect the operation of the PDA? |
| 07:00:23 | warmi | oh .. and supposedly 5500 has a better battery |
| 07:00:51 | warmi | not much really since most of the developers use 5000d meaning most of the available apps will work on 5000 just fine |
| 07:01:05 | wyvern | it has a 16MB ROM? |
| 07:01:09 | warmi | yeah |
| 07:01:12 | wyvern | for storing apps long term right |
| 07:01:13 | warmi | I have 5000d |
| 07:01:21 | wyvern | the ram is just like in a computer, for running applications right? |
| 07:01:29 | warmi | ROM is where OS and default set of apps reside |
| 07:01:42 | wyvern | what is the ram for? |
| 07:01:52 | wyvern | can you load your own apps into the ROM? |
| 07:01:59 | warmi | RAM is divided in two - one is like your harddrive used to store files and another is just like RAM |
| 07:02:20 | wyvern | do your files stay in RAM when the PDA is powered off? |
| 07:02:30 | warmi | RAM is random access memory - a place where programs are loaded |
| 07:02:31 | warmi | yeah |
| 07:02:53 | wyvern | can you load anything into the rom at all? |
| 07:03:15 | warmi | you can reflash ROM meaning reprogram it but that is not something that you do often |
| 07:03:28 | warmi | it is only used to update your OS with newer version etc |
| 07:03:46 | wyvern | does the Zaurus use a VFS type system when using CF cards and the like? |
| 07:03:52 | wyvern | like a 128MB CF card |
| 07:04:09 | warmi | it can use FAT (dos/windows) or native linux ext2 |
| 07:04:23 | wyvern | yes, but can it run apps directly from it? |
| 07:04:26 | warmi | frankly, it can use any sort of filesystem supported by linux |
| 07:04:29 | warmi | of course |
| 07:04:33 | wyvern | k |
| 07:04:38 | wyvern | palm 3.5.x can't do that |
| 07:04:45 | warmi | when you install apps you have a choice - RAM, SD or CF |
| 07:05:07 | wyvern | can you get to the command line and see the whole filesystem? |
| 07:05:13 | wyvern | mount stuff to different places, etc.? |
| 07:05:15 | warmi | of course |
| 07:05:17 | Speedy2 | Hey warmi |
| 07:05:25 | wyvern | ssh? :) |
| 07:05:45 | warmi | in fact I run samba server ... I can mount windows drives on my Z or mount Z filesystem on my Windows box |
| 07:05:48 | warmi | hi Speedy |
| 07:05:50 | wyvern | I was looking at an SL-5500 in the store and I couldn't find out how to get to the command line |
| 07:05:51 | warmi | ssh too |
| 07:06:10 | warmi | wayven: cause it is not installed by default .. the app (cmd) is on CD |
| 07:06:15 | warmi | you have to install it |
| 07:06:15 | wyvern | how is the battery on your SL-5000D? any problems? |
| 07:06:18 | wyvern | Li-Ion? |
| 07:06:30 | warmi | 5000D has rather crappy battery |
| 07:06:39 | wyvern | what's wrong with it? |
| 07:06:42 | warmi | I get around 2 hrs of havey mp3 usage |
| 07:07:01 | warmi | 5500 has a better one ( or at least people claim it does) |
| 07:07:04 | wyvern | how long can it stay powered on when doing nothing? |
| 07:07:19 | warmi | 3-4 days I think |
| 07:07:20 | wyvern | how long does the 5500 stay powered on when doing nothing? |
| 07:07:21 | Speedy2 | I think the only difference between 5500 and 5000 in terms of battery is that the software that reports battery usage was fixed |
| 07:07:47 | Speedy2 | It should last a while when not being used, the SA1110 consumes like 1mW and the SDRAM prob. like 5-10mW |
| 07:07:53 | wyvern | any of you ever had an iPAQ w/ Linux? |
| 07:08:00 | warmi | not me |
| 07:08:23 | warmi | Speedy2: I read that battery was different |
| 07:08:25 | Speedy2 | warmi: Really, it doesn't last that long without batteries? hrm |
| 07:08:34 | warmi | but I don't know fore sure |
| 07:08:35 | Speedy2 | warmi: Wow, can someone with a 5500 take a picture of their battery? |
| 07:08:39 | Speedy2 | err |
| 07:08:49 | Speedy2 | The question about the picture goes out to anyone here w/5500 |
| 07:09:36 | warmi | I mean .. the biggest problem I have with 5000d is that it has completely fucked up battery usage applet |
| 07:09:41 | warmi | completely useless |
| 07:09:44 | Speedy2 | Yeah |
| 07:09:55 | Speedy2 | If we knew how they fixed it in the 5500... |
| 07:09:56 | warmi | hopefully Shapr will provide ROM update for 5000d users as well |
| 07:10:08 | Speedy2 | I think it's more than ROM |
| 07:10:18 | Speedy2 | Someone here said JasonNJ said they had to update some "microcode" |
| 07:10:27 | Speedy2 | I suspect that to mean fix something inside a microcontroller |
| 07:10:28 | warmi | well, that's great then |
| 07:10:30 | warmi | heeh |
| 07:10:34 | Speedy2 | Yeah |
| 07:10:39 | warmi | Speedy: are you in US ? |
| 07:10:41 | Speedy2 | Yes |
| 07:10:50 | warmi | and still up ? |
| 07:10:51 | Speedy2 | heh |
| 07:10:52 | Speedy2 | Yes |
| 07:10:52 | Speedy2 | ;) |
| 07:11:04 | warmi | I just stopped by cause I was watching soccer match |
| 07:11:07 | warmi | hehe |
| 07:11:09 | wyvern | I'd like to see another Zaurus :) |
| 07:11:09 | Speedy2 | heh |
| 07:11:20 | warmi | wyva: what do you mean ? |
| 07:11:23 | Speedy2 | wyvern: I think the Z has better hardware compared to the iPaq |
| 07:11:26 | wyvern | built in 802.11b or bluetooth :) |
| 07:11:43 | Speedy2 | The only thing the iPaq has going with it is: A) Really nice LCD (at least 3600 model) and B) Bigger battery |
| 07:11:48 | warmi | oh , according to Jason( Sharp dude) they are going to come out with new models |
| 07:11:50 | wyvern | maybe add SM slot too |
| 07:11:51 | warmi | sometime this year |
| 07:12:07 | wyvern | neat |
| 07:12:08 | Speedy2 | wyvern: It has a SD/MMC slot. Frankly I'd prefer dual-CF |
| 07:12:10 | warmi | Speedy: I think Sharp LCD is just as good |
| 07:12:23 | warmi | Speedy: EXACTLY !!!! |
| 07:12:27 | wyvern | Speedy2: SM is a bit slower than CF but uses a lot less power |
| 07:12:30 | warmi | SD is useless, slow and expensive |
| 07:12:40 | warmi | but it is expensive |
| 07:12:42 | Speedy2 | warmi: I recall the iPaq LCD being really amazing and I tried the Z for sometime and I didn't like it as much |
| 07:12:48 | wyvern | I kind of hae to agree with warmi on SD |
| 07:12:50 | Speedy2 | the LCD on the iPaq is readable under low-lighting conditions |
| 07:12:51 | wyvern | SM is not expensive |
| 07:12:55 | wyvern | same price as CF |
| 07:12:58 | Speedy2 | I was unable to read the Z in my apartment even w/lights on |
| 07:13:05 | warmi | no it is not the same as CF |
| 07:13:07 | Speedy2 | (w/o using backlight on Z) |
| 07:13:09 | warmi | at least not in US |
| 07:13:27 | wyvern | yes it is |
| 07:13:31 | wyvern | I compiled the prices |
| 07:13:42 | warmi | Speedy2: could be but of all things I have absolutely no complains as far as Z LCD is concerned |
| 07:13:43 | wyvern | of Sony MS, MMC/SD, CF and SM |
| 07:13:45 | warmi | works fine for me |
| 07:13:52 | wyvern | from pricewatch+pricegrabber |
| 07:14:02 | wyvern | and SM/CF are the two cheapest, damn near mirroring each other |
| 07:14:05 | Speedy2 | warmi: Oh I'm sure it works fine and it looks good, I just found the iPaq LCD to be more readable under lower lighting conditions. |
| 07:14:10 | wyvern | except there are not the CF incompatibilities |
| 07:14:17 | wyvern | SM has lower power usage |
| 07:14:27 | Speedy2 | wyvern: Possibly |
| 07:14:30 | wyvern | and they generally last longer (have a larger number of writes) |
| 07:14:36 | Speedy2 | wyvern: That's bogus |
| 07:14:46 | Speedy2 | They're using the *SAME* Flash technology "NAND" type |
| 07:14:46 | warmi | waywem: looking at the prices right now: CF -128 $50 ... SD- 128 $90 |
| 07:15:01 | wyvern | though CF does have durability going for it and has MUCH faster writes |
| 07:15:07 | warmi | Speedy: do you own Z ? |
| 07:15:17 | Speedy2 | warmi: No, I tried. |
| 07:15:21 | wyvern | I am not talking about SD |
| 07:15:24 | wyvern | SM |
| 07:15:27 | wyvern | SmartMedia |
| 07:15:32 | wyvern | not SecureDigital |
| 07:15:53 | warmi | oh sorry |
| 07:15:57 | wyvern | and they are right about the same size too, CF+SM that is |
| 07:16:04 | warmi | it is late here .. I can hardly see as it is |
| 07:16:05 | warmi | heeh |
| 07:16:08 | wyvern | CF can do more though, SM is generally storage only I think |
| 07:16:26 | wyvern | I think there are more than just CF storage modules.. |
| 07:16:34 | Speedy2 | SM is basically just a serial interface. |
| 07:16:47 | wyvern | what's wrong with serial? |
| 07:16:54 | wyvern | ethernet is serial |
| 07:17:01 | Speedy2 | uhh |
| 07:17:02 | wyvern | ide is moving to serial |
| 07:17:05 | Speedy2 | Yeah |
| 07:17:10 | Speedy2 | Except that's high-speed serial |
| 07:17:21 | wyvern | hehe |
| 07:17:23 | Speedy2 | My point however is that there is a decent amount of overhead for serial interfaces |
| 07:17:26 | Speedy2 | Hey |
| 07:17:30 | Speedy2 | I'm all for serial man |
| 07:17:34 | wyvern | SM is about the same speed as CF for reads |
| 07:17:40 | wyvern | just writes are much slower |
| 07:17:56 | wyvern | I think they use similar flash technologies but implement the way stuff is stored in a different way |
| 07:18:13 | wyvern | and SM uses lower power, which might be a reason they tend to last a longer set of cycles |
| 07:18:23 | Speedy2 | SM does NOT tend to last longer |
| 07:18:25 | Speedy2 | That is bogus |
| 07:18:34 | Speedy2 | They don't "implement" things in a different way |
| 07:18:38 | Speedy2 | They're both NAND type FlashROM |
| 07:18:40 | wyvern | personally I'd like to see CF+SM |
| 07:18:57 | wyvern | get rid of SD |
| 07:19:47 | warmi | wyvern: are you planing to buy 5000D ? |
| 07:26:54 | wyvern | can you use a 5500 battery in a 5000D? |
| 07:26:57 | wyvern | warmi: possibly |
| 07:27:07 | wyvern | I have a Handspring Visor Edge atm |
| 07:27:19 | warmi | that's like a toy |
| 07:27:22 | warmi | compared with Z |
| 07:27:33 | warmi | wayvern: I don't think so |
| 07:27:40 | warmi | as far as using 5500 battery |
| 07:27:46 | warmi | but I am not sure |
| 07:27:59 | warmi | you would have to ask JasonJ when he is around |
| 07:29:27 | warmi | see you later folks |
| 07:29:37 | Speedy2 | Wow, the Visor with color is $299 |
| 07:29:39 | Speedy2 | What a gyp! |
| 07:30:48 | wyvern | warmi: it does it's job |
| 07:31:02 | wyvern | springboard allows for SM/CF cards |
| 07:31:09 | wyvern | so I can get a lot of storage |
| 07:31:20 | wyvern | I can beam files around, I can hook it up to my cell phone and get the internet |
| 07:31:27 | wyvern | it's not bad |
| 07:31:37 | wyvern | I got to play with an SL-5500 a bit, and I like it |
| 07:32:11 | wyvern | seems like some of the apps aren't quite so robust, but I'm looking around online and man it seems like not that long ago these things were just being announced and now there are tons of people developing for this thing |
| 07:32:39 | Speedy2 | Yeah |
| 07:33:14 | wyvern | I cannot afford $400 for a PDA |
| 07:33:28 | wyvern | I got my Edge for $85 |
| 07:33:40 | wyvern | (even though it's normally about $150) |
| 07:34:00 | wyvern | the Deluxe (_CRAP_) is normally what you see going for $85 |
| 07:34:15 | wyvern | unless of course I win the lottery |
| 07:34:20 | wyvern | ;p |
| 07:34:39 | Speedy2 | How'd you get your Edge for so cheap? |
| 07:34:45 | wyvern | ebay |
| 07:34:46 | wyvern | brand new |
| 07:34:53 | wyvern | "no backlight" |
| 07:35:04 | wyvern | seller didn't realize it doesn't have a backlight, it uses reverse backlighting |
| 07:35:06 | wyvern | hehe |
| 07:35:46 | wyvern | it's not bad, it's not perfect, I have to make comprimises with it but that's how things go |
| 07:35:54 | wyvern | atleast it syncs with KDE PIM well :) |
| 07:37:57 | Speedy2 | reverse backlighting ?? |
| 07:37:59 | Speedy2 | huh? |
| 07:39:33 | Speedy2 | Explain |
| 07:39:38 | Speedy2 | I'm thinking about getting an Edge for a friend |
| 08:04:25 | Com[Plex] | I get an error when compiling kpacman, "QT 1.3 Libraries cannot be found, check your instalation" - any idea where I can find those? or why its not finding em? I have nmy source set to dev-arm-qpe.sh via the script, - I dont know what im doing wrong.. |
| 08:04:37 | Com[Plex] | im compiling using ./configure |
| 08:44:57 | tboc | hi |
| 09:34:32 | wembly | would it be possable to upgrade the size of the flash on the zaurus? |
| 10:10:31 | tboc | join #opie.de |
| 10:10:35 | tboc | =) |
| 10:13:31 | Twiun | Heya Cloud |
| 10:25:15 | Cloud | 'mornin |
| 10:25:40 | Cloud | have to head out to work..back i a bit ;) |
| 10:40:20 | kajUk | hi |
| 10:41:07 | kajUk | Does anybody know how to change the default font? |
| 11:14:06 | smatt | can someone help me getting qpose working please? I have the qpose and qpose-date ipks installed and put a rom at $QPE/share/pose/palmiii.rom, but when I start qpose I just get an empty window |
| 11:24:44 | narrowmind | sup |
| 11:28:50 | catalin | smatt: did you by any chance tried to start qpose *before* installing the rom ? |
| 11:29:34 | smatt | catalin: yeah...although I've restarted it since...did I screw up my config? |
| 11:29:50 | catalin | yes. this is a known bug in qpose |
| 11:30:06 | catalin | either uninstall and install data again |
| 11:30:13 | catalin | or edit ~/.poserrc |
| 11:30:23 | catalin | and comment out the line starting with LastPSF= |
| 11:30:41 | narrowmind | hey.. is the handwriting recognition program opensource ? .. It would be cool to add graffiti recogition |
| 11:31:05 | smatt | catalin: I'll try...thanks...sorry if that was a faq |
| 11:31:39 | catalin | np. it is a faq but it isn't documented anywhere |
| 11:34:00 | Speedy2 | How good is the Palm emu? |
| 11:34:36 | narrowmind | dunno |
| 11:34:57 | catalin | slow with 3.0+ rom's |
| 11:35:09 | narrowmind | really. |
| 11:35:11 | catalin | much faster with 1.0 and 2.0 |
| 11:35:15 | narrowmind | hm. |
| 11:35:35 | narrowmind | arnt the 3.0 palms still 16 dragonballz chips |
| 11:35:44 | catalin | yes |
| 11:35:47 | catalin | AFAIK |
| 11:35:50 | narrowmind | huh. |
| 11:38:45 | narrowmind | bah this email program sux |
| 11:39:06 | narrowmind | no ssl.. no authenticated smtp |
| 11:42:47 | Cloud | good morning :) |
| 11:42:55 | narrowmind | sup |
| 11:43:06 | Cloud | not too much yet |
| 11:43:39 | Cloud | was looking at sharp mobile site |
| 11:43:47 | Cloud | no coverage for my zip code |
| 11:43:49 | Cloud | bleh |
| 11:44:08 | narrowmind | bah... I dont think I really want sharps service |
| 11:44:12 | Cloud | its slow anyway |
| 11:44:29 | narrowmind | I would rather wait for one of the cell CF cards.. one thats a phone/modem |
| 11:44:38 | Cloud | these wireless companies really need to listen..and standardize |
| 11:44:52 | narrowmind | bahh.. they are making to much money to do that. |
| 11:45:13 | mark | narrowmind: which one? |
| 11:45:23 | Cloud | they could make more if they could all talk to each other |
| 11:45:30 | narrowmind | I see that sharp has listed a few on the site.. but non are supported.. |
| 11:46:12 | narrowmind | I dont think I care so much about which card.. *aslong as it works* I would rather make sure it supports sprint .. the best provider in my area |
| 11:46:25 | Cloud | hmm |
| 11:46:33 | Cloud | my cell phone is sprint (work cell) |
| 11:46:42 | Cloud | they have some sort of service that would work? |
| 11:47:59 | narrowmind | Im sure one of the phone modules will support them. |
| 11:48:44 | Cloud | even something like the palm net thing would be nice..get news and mail |
| 11:48:50 | Cloud | instant messages.. |
| 11:51:58 | narrowmind | bah. IP isnt enough... If I need to carry a cellphone.. might as well just carry a modem card.. at least that why I only pay for one service |
| 11:52:17 | Cloud | nods true |
| 11:52:31 | Cloud | but cellular service can be expensive |
| 11:52:54 | Cloud | if you use it for data also, no? |
| 11:53:25 | narrowmind | naw.. its just minutes if you dial into an ISP (I get free dialup from with my DSL) |
| 11:53:40 | Cloud | i don't |
| 11:54:17 | Cloud | plus there's no offline browsing with the z |
| 11:54:18 | narrowmind | get a extra phoneline ($7bucks) plug a modem into it.. and runn pppd on it in answermode on your linux desktop. |
| 11:54:34 | Cloud | i have cable |
| 11:54:44 | narrowmind | Cloud.. doesnt matter.. |
| 11:55:01 | narrowmind | You dial into your linux box.. (you pay for a cell call home).. |
| 11:55:29 | narrowmind | then your linux box nats you to your cable modem.. bingo serviice |
| 11:55:42 | Cloud | hmm .. interesting |
| 11:55:52 | narrowmind | If you dont wana pay for minutes then you get a family plan.. and two phones.. |
| 11:56:04 | narrowmind | You know 'free minutes' between phones.. |
| 11:56:32 | narrowmind | then use a cell phone at your home computer.. cell modem.. pppd.. samething.. free minutes.. |
| 11:56:33 | Cloud | then how would you hook cell phone up to modem/linux box? |
| 11:56:47 | Cloud | that's a cool idea actually |
| 11:56:59 | narrowmind | ya.. I know..I have alot ofem =) |
| 11:57:37 | Cloud | i think its 25.00 extra to get another phone for a family member (per month) |
| 11:57:52 | narrowmind | the cool thing is that the family plan isnt all that much more..(they figure the kids will go over the minutes).. but how many calls do you think your computer will make. |
| 11:57:52 | Cloud | but we do have free calling between sprint users |
| 11:58:05 | Cloud | true |
| 11:58:13 | Cloud | is it very slow? |
| 11:58:19 | narrowmind | 14.4 ish |
| 11:58:29 | Cloud | yes that's pretty slow |
| 11:58:32 | narrowmind | I think its usally about 19.2. |
| 11:58:45 | narrowmind | bah.. there are still people that use 14.4 modems on desktops.. |
| 11:58:54 | Cloud | since there's not too many web sites optimized for small screens |
| 11:58:57 | narrowmind | so it wont do pr0n.. but if you want news and mail that will work. |
| 11:59:13 | Cloud | there still should be offline news reader |
| 11:59:21 | narrowmind | and as for offline browsing.. wget and boa..and you can browse off localhost |
| 11:59:23 | Cloud | and offline web thingy |
| 11:59:30 | Cloud | wget is a pita |
| 11:59:38 | narrowmind | not if you script it up. |
| 11:59:42 | Cloud | and then...you have to type in path |
| 11:59:55 | Cloud | go back and forth for the long addresses |
| 12:00:00 | narrowmind | naw.. script it up to suck down the sites that you like.. |
| 12:00:10 | narrowmind | kick it up.. mirror the sites.. then run boa on the content |
| 12:00:21 | narrowmind | its not perfect.. but it will work. |
| 12:00:30 | Cloud | there should be a way in the browser to look for local stuff |
| 12:00:38 | Cloud | ok all great ideas |
| 12:00:48 | mark | hm, a way in OZ to kill QPE would be nice |
| 12:00:52 | Cloud | however, would take me months of asking questions to get it all figured out |
| 12:01:03 | Cloud | the average user won't deal with that |
| 12:01:15 | Cloud | so its all "cool" that it can be done that way |
| 12:01:19 | narrowmind | naw.. its not impossible..and when your done. youll be better with your zuarus |
| 12:01:43 | narrowmind | bah.. stop trying to make things easy.. but instead look at as chance to learn how todo something new.. |
| 12:01:49 | Cloud | lol |
| 12:01:51 | Cloud | oh i do |
| 12:01:52 | narrowmind | If it was easy your cat would need a pda |
| 12:02:00 | Cloud | and i will |
| 12:02:05 | Kopsis | Cloud: take a peek at http://sitescooper.org |
| 12:02:11 | Cloud | but i'm pretty technical |
| 12:02:16 | Cloud | just new to linux |
| 12:02:28 | narrowmind | heh |
| 12:02:54 | Cloud | thats for pal Kopsis |
| 12:02:54 | narrowmind | so your a bsd/irix/solaris/aix dood. |
| 12:02:58 | Cloud | er palm |
| 12:03:13 | Cloud | no i'm a basic windows dudette :) |
| 12:03:20 | narrowmind | heh |
| 12:03:35 | Cloud | unfortunately for what i do i can't go totally linux |
| 12:03:46 | narrowmind | what do you do ? |
| 12:03:51 | Cloud | visio being the biggest hurdle |
| 12:03:54 | narrowmind | write windows drivers? |
| 12:03:57 | Cloud | haha |
| 12:03:58 | Kopsis | Cloud: it's been ported to Linux. You can run it on the desktop to create local copies of all the pages you want then copy them over to the Zaurus. |
| 12:04:20 | Cloud | ok Kopsis that's very cool |
| 12:04:23 | Cloud | next question... |
| 12:04:32 | Cloud | when i save a webpage to my pc |
| 12:04:48 | Speedy2 | I wonder why the Palm emulator is so slow. |
| 12:04:51 | Cloud | it saves the .htm file and then in another dir, it saves graphics |
| 12:05:00 | Cloud | the synch for z doesn't allow that |
| 12:05:23 | narrowmind | ick.. dont use the sync |
| 12:05:24 | Cloud | it will just dump all the files into the z, then how do you maintain the links? |
| 12:05:34 | narrowmind | just ftp it over. |
| 12:05:43 | Kopsis | tar or zip everything up, shoot the compressed file to the Z then untar/unzip :) |
| 12:05:50 | Cloud | ok then, i open up opera |
| 12:06:17 | Cloud | andd get my page up |
| 12:06:18 | narrowmind | Or if you want to be Uber Cool.. nfs mount your desktop on the handheld |
| 12:06:32 | Cloud | lets assume i have no access to my desktop |
| 12:06:40 | Cloud | and want to see my saved web pages on the train |
| 12:07:06 | Cloud | i work on cisco equipment by the way ;) |
| 12:07:14 | narrowmind | naw.. nfs mount your desktop.. pull over pages.. umount desktop.. get onto train.. pick up doods with super Geek skillz |
| 12:07:17 | Cloud | another sore spot being the serial cable |
| 12:07:29 | narrowmind | ya. |
| 12:07:42 | narrowmind | get an 802.11b wireless cf card |
| 12:07:48 | Cloud | i have one |
| 12:07:58 | narrowmind | basestation in your home. |
| 12:08:04 | Cloud | cisco ap 340 |
| 12:08:06 | narrowmind | install sshd on zaurus. |
| 12:08:10 | narrowmind | ssh to the zaurus.. |
| 12:08:28 | sig | I just bought the SL-5500 |
| 12:08:35 | narrowmind | WOOO HOO SIG |
| 12:08:56 | sig | can someone help me get it on the internet from a winxp box with the cradle and usb |
| 12:08:57 | sig | ? |
| 12:08:57 | narrowmind | does a jig.. *shakes finger* |
| 12:09:17 | narrowmind | you need to setup internet sharing.. |
| 12:09:40 | sig | narrowmind: yeah on my dsl connection i clicked ICS |
| 12:10:13 | narrowmind | I think there is more to configureing that.. but Im not sure.. Iv been Windows Free for over a 2 years. |
| 12:10:21 | Cloud | Kopsis: that sitescooper looks pretty cool |
| 12:10:23 | nemui | Heya everyone. |
| 12:10:30 | Cloud | hiya nemui |
| 12:10:43 | Cloud | i'm trying to go microsoftless, just can't get there yet |
| 12:10:44 | nemui | Cloud : Any luck with zmame? ;) |
| 12:10:50 | Cloud | hehe nope |
| 12:10:54 | nemui | I'm not going to try to go microsoftless. |
| 12:10:58 | nemui | What would I play games on? :) |
| 12:11:04 | Cloud | yes very true |
| 12:11:12 | Cloud | i got a game to work with wine |
| 12:11:20 | Cloud | but not some of the supporting apps for it |
| 12:11:27 | Cloud | and its slower |
| 12:11:29 | nemui | hehe.. a lot more games work with wine, but not well enough for me. |
| 12:11:36 | Cloud | nods |
| 12:11:48 | Cloud | slow isn't good when something is shooting at you ;) |
| 12:11:50 | nemui | I have 2 computers and already have a gateway/firewall, so it works out ok :) |
| 12:11:53 | nemui | Hehe.. very true. |
| 12:12:07 | nemui | Unless its slow ala Matrix. |
| 12:12:09 | Cloud | but i can't use linux for work totally either |
| 12:12:23 | nemui | Why not? ;p |
| 12:12:29 | Cloud | viso diagrams |
| 12:12:35 | Cloud | no linux app can read them so far |
| 12:12:41 | nemui | The only non work function I use windows for is photoshop... and only because I suck bad with gimp ;) |
| 12:12:46 | Cloud | that i've been able to find |
| 12:12:51 | nemui | Hmm.. are you sure? I thougt there was one... |
| 12:12:54 | nemui | I'll keep an eye out for it. |
| 12:12:59 | Cloud | there's a diagramming tool |
| 12:13:08 | nemui | But not compatible with viso? |
| 12:13:11 | Cloud | but can't read visio .vsd (very proprietary) |
| 12:13:13 | narrowmind | bah routing out to the internet my be a little odd in the windows routing table. |
| 12:13:18 | nemui | bummer |
| 12:13:27 | sig | ok, got disconnected |
| 12:13:31 | narrowmind | youll get a 192.168.x.x address on your usb prolly |
| 12:13:32 | nemui | narrowmind : As opposed to everything else being normal in windows? ;) |
| 12:13:37 | Cloud | hahah |
| 12:13:38 | narrowmind | heh |
| 12:13:43 | sig | narrowmind: can you help me? |
| 12:13:49 | Cloud | windows is *not* a router |
| 12:13:49 | narrowmind | ya.. ip isnt windows does well |
| 12:13:56 | nemui | QT Desktop can only read if your Z is 192.168.129.201.. its hardcoded in last I checked. |
| 12:14:04 | narrowmind | huh? |
| 12:14:15 | narrowmind | bah.. another reason why I have never installed QT Desktop |
| 12:14:23 | Cloud | i use qt over wirelss just fine |
| 12:14:29 | narrowmind | backup to SD.. and then scp the backup to my host |
| 12:14:34 | nemui | I installed QT Desktop to transfer over my palm contacts. |
| 12:14:43 | nemui | Cloud : Really? Hmm. maybe I as misinformed. |
| 12:15:01 | Cloud | change to "serial" |
| 12:15:04 | narrowmind | ya.. I use wireless it works fine.. |
| 12:15:08 | sig | when i run "ipconfig" on xp, it gives me a IP address for the zaurus 192.168.0.1 |
| 12:15:24 | nemui | Thats odd. |
| 12:15:27 | sig | so when I setup up the zaurus, i give it a ip of 192.168.0.2 and the same for the connections |
| 12:15:35 | narrowmind | zarus has 2 ips.. one for it .. one for the host.. |
| 12:15:39 | sig | i can sync and transfer files, but no internet |
| 12:15:44 | narrowmind | the host one should be on the winblows box |
| 12:15:50 | nemui | sig: you have to setup a gateway on your Z |
| 12:16:00 | nemui | route add default gw 192.168.0.1 usbd0 |
| 12:16:03 | sig | nemui: what would the gateway be? |
| 12:16:05 | nemui | do that on your zaurus. |
| 12:16:11 | nemui | assuming that your XP box is setup to masquerade. |
| 12:16:22 | nemui | As far as setting up XP to masquerade.... hell if I know :) |
| 12:16:36 | sig | nemui: so give the zaurus a gateway of the xp dsl? |
| 12:16:41 | nemui | no no |
| 12:16:50 | nemui | Its going through the XP box.. so the XP box is its gateway. |
| 12:17:04 | narrowmind | its gateway its in its subnet.. |
| 12:17:12 | NetAmp | just run the Connection Sharing wizard on Windoze :) |
| 12:17:16 | nemui | hehe |
| 12:17:18 | sig | NetAmp: i did |
| 12:17:46 | NetAmp | ok good... hm... do yo have other computers sharing the connection? |
| 12:17:49 | nemui | hmm. I need to redesign my website and get a new provider. |
| 12:18:02 | NetAmp | nemui: what does it look like now? :) |
| 12:18:07 | nemui | Crap. : ) |
| 12:18:10 | sig | nemui: how would i find out what the gateway needs to be on my zaurus? |
| 12:18:12 | NetAmp | hah |
| 12:18:20 | nemui | First of all, the guy broke his server... and so my shtml files appear as text :p |
| 12:18:25 | NetAmp | it's your XP box's IP |
| 12:18:33 | NetAmp | from `ipconfig` |
| 12:18:35 | nemui | but if you wanna look (and ignore the homepage whichs is broken) its www.zbonk.com |
| 12:18:39 | NetAmp | probably 192.168.0.1 |
| 12:18:42 | sig | NetAmp: the ip to the intenet |
| 12:18:46 | nemui | NetAmp: nono.. isnt it his XP's usbd0 ip? |
| 12:18:56 | NetAmp | no, the IP to your XP computer |
| 12:19:00 | nemui | how odd. |
| 12:19:05 | NetAmp | not the Internet NIC |
| 12:19:14 | sig | NetAmp: the ip of the zaurus under the ipconfig is 192.168.0.1 |
| 12:19:16 | nemui | Oh wait. I guess it would not make sense to have windows look the same as linux. nevermind. |
| 12:19:25 | NetAmp | huh? |
| 12:19:28 | nemui | ignore me. |
| 12:19:45 | nemui | I use my Z with linux.. so I do stuff differently. |
| 12:19:49 | NetAmp | oh... duh... I was thinking of Win ipconfig.. |
| 12:19:59 | sig | ?? |
| 12:20:03 | sig | now I'm really confused |
| 12:20:10 | nemui | sig: I t should be your windows boxes ip.. as your gateway. |
| 12:20:28 | nemui | so if your XP box is 192.168.0.1, then on your zaurus, type 'route add default gw 192.168.0.1 usbd0' |
| 12:20:30 | sig | and thats all i will need? |
| 12:20:31 | nemui | minus the quotes. |
| 12:20:40 | NetAmp | sorry, my stuupid head didn't really get you're talking about the usb connection ;) heh I never used that... |
| 12:20:41 | nemui | If your xp box is setup for net sharing, yes. |
| 12:20:46 | nemui | NetAmp : heh |
| 12:21:23 | nemui | kicks nemui-chan |
| 12:21:23 | NetAmp | bit it's pretty weird to have 192.168.0.1 on both machines |
| 12:21:33 | nemui | NetAmp: He's not having that on both machiens. |
| 12:21:36 | nemui | he's adding it as a route. |
| 12:21:48 | nemui | He's telling the Z, go through this ip address to get to the outside world. |
| 12:21:52 | NetAmp | yeah but he just said "NetAmp: the ip of the zaurus under the ipconfig is 192.168.0.1" |
| 12:22:04 | nemui | doh. I'm sorry. I thought he said that about the xp. |
| 12:22:17 | NetAmp | no problem ;) |
| 12:22:21 | NetAmp | I'm confused too :D |
| 12:22:26 | nemui | sig: Whats the ip address on your xp box? |
| 12:22:43 | NetAmp | (I'll just shut my mouth, or it'll get even more confusing) |
| 12:22:52 | sig | nemui I have three things show up in ipconfig: Ethernet adapter local area conection, PPP adapter DSL, Ethernet adapter local area connection 3 (which is my zaurus) |
| 12:23:06 | sig | not sure what one to put for the gateway in my zaurus |
| 12:23:15 | nemui | bleh.the ethernet adapter local area connection |
| 12:23:17 | nemui | wait |
| 12:23:26 | nemui | What is listed under the connection for your zaurus? |
| 12:23:38 | sig | 192.168.0.2 |
| 12:23:42 | nemui | Ok. |
| 12:23:50 | nemui | and whatr aabout local area connection? |
| 12:23:58 | nemui | the first one you listed |
| 12:24:07 | sig | 169.254.59.64 |
| 12:24:17 | nemui | Where'd you get 192.168.0.1 from? |
| 12:24:48 | sig | thats what it says for: ethernet adapter local area connection 3 (which is my zaurus) |
| 12:24:57 | nemui | You just said it was .0.2 :p |
| 12:25:11 | sig | thats what it shows up as in xp ipconfig |
| 12:25:18 | nemui | Which one? |
| 12:25:22 | nemui | ok stop |
| 12:25:24 | nemui | lets start over. |
| 12:25:26 | narrowmind | any else read the paper about wireless networks/communities at UCSD ? |
| 12:25:36 | nemui | Whats the ip address for your Z? |
| 12:25:47 | sig | nemui: 192.168.0.2 which i manually put in |
| 12:25:56 | nemui | ok. Whats the ip address for ytour windows box? |
| 12:26:22 | sig | nemui: i have dsl and lan connection |
| 12:26:23 | sig | what one? |
| 12:26:32 | sig | can i /msg you and paste? |
| 12:26:42 | nemui | lan connection |
| 12:26:43 | nemui | Sure |
| 12:26:55 | sig | nm, can even highlight the damn command prompt |
| 12:28:31 | nemui | sig: ok. type 'route add default gw 192.168.0.1 usbd0' on your zaurus and that should work. |
| 12:29:21 | sig | can i just type it in the gateway spot under the tool thing? |
| 12:29:27 | nemui | nope. |
| 12:29:35 | nemui | for some reason that doesnt seem to add a gateway. |
| 12:29:37 | nemui | I dunno why |
| 12:29:51 | sig | that sucks |
| 12:30:01 | nemui | Just get embedded konsole |
| 12:30:10 | nemui | Hrmm. |
| 12:30:10 | sig | i have it |
| 12:30:13 | narrowmind | web mirror tools : pavuk ,kwebget, Opal Mirror Tool, gHTTrack |
| 12:30:15 | nemui | ponders how to do his web design. |
| 12:30:24 | narrowmind | all listed on freshmeat.net |
| 12:30:35 | nemui | narrowmind : ok..? |
| 12:30:59 | narrowmind | cloud was talking about offline mirroring |
| 12:31:10 | NetAmp | nemui: what's your url? |
| 12:31:44 | nemui | www.zbonk.com .. like I said though, the front page is broken by some idjit. |
| 12:31:46 | sig | nemui: ok i typed that and it says "network unreachable" |
| 12:31:48 | narrowmind | nemui: vi.. the only html editor |
| 12:31:53 | nemui | well duh :p |
| 12:32:00 | nemui | I meant what I should make it look like :) |
| 12:32:04 | nemui | I always use vi |
| 12:32:09 | nemui | actually I use vim, but hey. |
| 12:32:09 | narrowmind | can you ping the gateway ? |
| 12:32:09 | NetAmp | mine's http://www.remz-jay.org/~netamp/ though it's still somewhat boring... |
| 12:32:20 | narrowmind | nemui.. of course.. vim kicks ass |
| 12:32:37 | nemui | NetAmp: nice look though |
| 12:32:41 | NetAmp | thanx :) |
| 12:32:43 | nemui | narrowmind : Yes it does :) |
| 12:32:48 | nemui | Folds are great. |
| 12:32:50 | narrowmind | but I often get pulled into nvi on fbsd |
| 12:32:58 | nemui | I've never used nvi |
| 12:33:07 | narrowmind | its all right.. nothing like vim |
| 12:33:21 | narrowmind | course it doesnt qaulify as a OS/shell like vim does |
| 12:33:34 | nemui | hehe |
| 12:34:13 | narrowmind | sig: can you ping the gateway iP ? |
| 12:34:26 | nemui | NetAmp: Do you use any sort of templating system? |
| 12:34:27 | narrowmind | sig: and then can you ping the IP of the other interface on the gateway ? |
| 12:34:40 | nemui | eww php |
| 12:35:10 | NetAmp | nemui: just php :) |
| 12:35:16 | nemui | heh |
| 12:35:34 | nemui | I might actually use php solely to pull up my left rail. |
| 12:35:38 | sig | narrowmind: ping it from where? my zaurus? |
| 12:35:47 | narrowmind | sig: yes |
| 12:35:55 | narrowmind | sig: from the Z ping the gateway IP. |
| 12:36:29 | narrowmind | sig: then from the Z ping the other interface of the gatway(other IP on the xp boxen) |
| 12:36:42 | nemui | heh.. anyone read the slashdot story about Iowa making microsoft give 40 bucks back to every windows user? :) |
| 12:36:50 | narrowmind | ya.. |
| 12:36:55 | nemui | Too funny. |
| 12:37:12 | narrowmind | it would be cool.. but I think you should at least $40 just for living in the hell that is Iowa.. |
| 12:37:16 | nemui | lol |
| 12:37:28 | narrowmind | that much corn just give me the creeps |
| 12:37:47 | nemui | i've seen children of the corn man... I'm not going near there. |
| 12:37:54 | narrowmind | heh |
| 12:38:06 | sig | nemui i typed what you told me to and i still have no internet |
| 12:38:09 | nemui | seeing as how I come from vegas and seattle there's no room to talk though. |
| 12:38:20 | narrowmind | about the only place worse then Iowa is Wyoming |
| 12:38:26 | nemui | lol |
| 12:38:36 | narrowmind | more people live in my suburb then ijn Wyoming. |
| 12:38:37 | nemui | never been to any place in the middle of america. |
| 12:38:41 | nemui | heh |
| 12:38:46 | narrowmind | dont ever go ... |
| 12:38:46 | sig | nemui i am trying to connect through my cradle you know |
| 12:39:04 | nemui | sig: That shuold have worked... thats how you connect through yourt cradle. |
| 12:39:11 | nemui | I'm really not sure what else to do though, since I'm not really a windows user... |
| 12:39:14 | narrowmind | sig: the craddle is just a ip connection |
| 12:39:16 | sig | didn |
| 12:39:17 | sig | t fo rme |
| 12:39:32 | narrowmind | is the craddle the usbd0 device? or ppp0 ? |
| 12:39:34 | nemui | NetAmp: So you do all that stuff manually? |
| 12:39:43 | nemui | NetAmp: no template, squishdot, anything? |
| 12:39:46 | sig | it is neither according to the ipconfig |
| 12:39:54 | sig | (C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp. |
| 12:39:54 | sig | C:\Documents and Settings\Joe>ipconfigf |
| 12:39:54 | sig | 'ipconfigf' is not recognized as an internal or external command, |
| 12:39:54 | sig | operable program or batch file. |
| 12:39:54 | sig | C:\Documents and Settings\Joe>ipconfig |
| 12:39:56 | sig | Windows IP Configuration |
| 12:39:58 | sig | Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection: |
| 12:40:00 | sig | Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : |
| 12:40:03 | sig | Autoconfiguration IP Address. . . : 169.254.59.64 |
| 12:40:05 | sig | Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.0.0 |
| 12:40:05 | NetAmp | nemui: well yeah, it's by far not as advanced as php Nuke engine for example, but it works :) |
| 12:40:06 | sig | Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : |
| 12:40:08 | sig | PPP adapter DSL: |
| 12:40:11 | sig | Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : |
| 12:40:12 | sig | IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 165.121.25.194 |
| 12:40:14 | sig | Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.255 |
| 12:40:17 | narrowmind | sig the gatway needs to be set on the Z |
| 12:40:18 | nemui | netamp; My question was more what did you use.. |
| 12:40:18 | sig | Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 165.121.25.194 |
| 12:40:20 | sig | Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection 3: |
| 12:40:22 | sig | Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : |
| 12:40:25 | sig | IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1 |
| 12:40:25 | nemui | bonks sig |
| 12:40:27 | sig | Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0 |
| 12:40:28 | sig | Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : |
| 12:40:30 | sig | C:\Documents and Settings\Joe>na |
| 12:40:32 | sig | whoops |
| 12:40:34 | sig | sorry |
| 12:40:35 | nemui | lol |
| 12:40:36 | sig | narrowmind: i did |
| 12:40:38 | sig | I typed it |
| 12:40:59 | NetAmp | nemui: php includes :) pretty primitive but I didn't want to use a pre-made template/portal engine |
| 12:41:15 | nemui | We use a really nice one at work that I'm considering using at home. |
| 12:41:19 | sig | route add default gw 192.168.0.1 usbd0 |
| 12:41:36 | sig | i typed that and still no net |
| 12:41:41 | narrowmind | ifconfig on the Z |
| 12:42:00 | narrowmind | do you see a usbd0 inet=192.168.0.2 ? |
| 12:42:35 | sig | yes |
| 12:43:00 | narrowmind | can you ping 192.168.0.1 on the Z |
| 12:43:25 | sig | yes |
| 12:43:33 | nemui | then you should be able to add it as a route |
| 12:43:54 | sig | ? |
| 12:44:05 | sig | how do i add it as a route? |
| 12:44:12 | narrowmind | can you ping 169.254.59.64 from the Z ? |
| 12:44:27 | narrowmind | route add default gw 192.168.0.1 |
| 12:44:54 | sig | i can't ping 169.254.59.64 |
| 12:45:25 | sig | narrowmind: i already did: route add default gw 192.168.0.1 usbd0 |
| 12:45:42 | narrowmind | k |
| 12:46:07 | narrowmind | try the other cablemodem ip.. 165.121.25.194 |
| 12:47:07 | sig | yeah i can ping that |
| 12:47:16 | narrowmind | hmmm. |
| 12:47:27 | narrowmind | heh. |
| 12:47:38 | narrowmind | sounds like ICS suxs my nutz |
| 12:47:45 | sig | :( |
| 12:48:10 | sig | how hard is it to get this thing up and running under linux? |
| 12:48:20 | narrowmind | its not a linux problem.. its a ics problem. |
| 12:48:26 | Cloud | gives a hint get a nic |
| 12:48:38 | sig | Cloud: it should be here today |
| 12:48:42 | Cloud | P:) |
| 12:48:51 | sig | but I want to be able to set it in the cradle and connect as well |
| 12:48:53 | narrowmind | nemui: can you set the ip ubsd adapter ? |
| 12:48:58 | sig | I didn't pay this much for nothing |
| 12:49:28 | Cloud | well synching and connecting to internet 2 diff issues |
| 12:49:39 | sig | what was the default gateway before i messed with it? |
| 12:49:53 | narrowmind | prolly didnt have one. |
| 12:50:00 | sig | Cloud: yeah, i cn sync no problem |
| 12:50:02 | narrowmind | no other setting really make sents |
| 12:50:11 | narrowmind | er sense |
| 12:50:25 | sig | narrowmind: so when i get a nic will that default gateway that i added mess it up from connecting? |
| 12:50:52 | Cloud | no even with a nic |
| 12:50:55 | narrowmind | sig: naw.. |
| 12:50:55 | Cloud | you need ics |
| 12:51:09 | narrowmind | the nic will change it when it gets a ip via dhcp |
| 12:51:09 | sig | this sucks |
| 12:51:15 | narrowmind | Or youll need to set it your self. |
| 12:51:24 | sig | I have dsl |
| 12:51:26 | narrowmind | Well you could change fix ICS |
| 12:51:45 | narrowmind | change the lan settings in ICS to 192.168.0.0/255.255.0.0 |
| 12:52:11 | sig | narrowmind: what should the zaurus ip be? |
| 12:52:35 | narrowmind | on the craddle ? |
| 12:52:40 | sig | yeah |
| 12:52:42 | narrowmind | wasnt it 192.168.0.2 |
| 12:52:46 | sig | yeah |
| 12:52:46 | nemui | NetAmp: you decent with php? |
| 12:52:49 | narrowmind | thats cool |
| 12:52:56 | sig | wtf is wrong then? |
| 12:53:11 | narrowmind | ics isnt nating your packets |
| 12:53:36 | Cloud | nods doesn't ics do that thoug? |
| 12:53:36 | narrowmind | most likly you need to change the lan settings in ics on xp box |
| 12:53:51 | mark_ | does fbvnc work on zaurus? |
| 12:53:56 | NetAmp | nemui: oh well.. I'm not an expert but I think I'm pretty well on my way :) |
| 12:54:00 | nemui | Works for me mark. |
| 12:54:02 | Cloud | mark: yes |
| 12:54:20 | narrowmind | nemui you use ics ? |
| 12:54:20 | nemui | NetAmp: I keep getting a syntax error on this line... foreach ($this->global_assign as $key => $var_name) { any ideas? (and no, this isnt my code) |
| 12:54:26 | nemui | I dont even know what ICS is |
| 12:54:33 | Cloud | internet connection sharing |
| 12:54:38 | nemui | oh. |
| 12:54:40 | nemui | then yes, I do. |
| 12:54:40 | Cloud | does it serve as dhcp server? |
| 12:54:41 | narrowmind | xp nat |
| 12:54:42 | nemui | but not on windows. |
| 12:54:47 | narrowmind | .. |
| 12:54:49 | nemui | I dont use xp either |
| 12:54:56 | Cloud | me either nemui |
| 12:55:00 | Cloud | i won't either |
| 12:55:01 | Cloud | ever |
| 12:55:04 | nemui | Amen |
| 12:55:21 | narrowmind | bah.. then its not exactly the same |
| 12:55:26 | Cloud | course i may have to find new job, but oh well |
| 12:55:34 | nemui | he |
| 12:55:35 | NetAmp | nemui: what kind of class is that? |
| 12:55:35 | nemui | h |
| 12:55:37 | narrowmind | bah.. you didnt need that job anywas |
| 12:55:56 | nemui | NetAmp: Its one of the smarty files for a templating system. I'm trying to get the LDAP -> Zaurus address book import. |
| 12:56:04 | Cloud | narrowmind if you are around later i may ask help to set some of thos things up that you told me about |
| 12:56:15 | NetAmp | nemui: cool :) |
| 12:56:15 | mark_ | Cloud: ok |
| 12:56:27 | nemui | NetAmp: It'd be cool if it worked. I dont know whats wrong twith that line. |
| 12:56:28 | narrowmind | import?.. you can use ldap search.. and write the xml in perl or something. |
| 12:56:29 | Cloud | although, some of those things *should* work already with the software available |
| 12:56:38 | narrowmind | heh |
| 12:56:45 | nemui | narrowmind : well, someone apparently already did that in php, but I cant get it to work :p |
| 12:56:49 | Cloud | if its not made seamless/easier the z won't stand a chance commercially |
| 12:56:57 | narrowmind | php.. ugh |
| 12:57:01 | nemui | I agree |
| 12:57:04 | Cloud | and if it doesn't sell ot masses |
| 12:57:08 | Cloud | it will die |
| 12:57:28 | narrowmind | Cloud.. thats cool.. I got mine.. |
| 12:57:35 | nemui | Hey, narrowmind .. I was thinking about writing something to let me do a search in perl and convert it to xml... however I was curious what the seemingly random number in the contact list is for each contact. |
| 12:57:38 | Cloud | and honestly when i'm on the road i don't want to deal with that.. i want to get things done |
| 12:57:42 | narrowmind | Guess. Ill have to use OZ if I want to upgrade.. I could do worse |
| 12:57:49 | nemui | I use oz now. |
| 12:57:51 | nemui | I like oz. |
| 12:57:52 | nemui | a lot. |
| 12:58:04 | Cloud | i'm waiting on oz til its more ready |
| 12:58:15 | nemui | honestly, I've never had a problem with OZ |
| 12:58:17 | narrowmind | I just upgraded to the latest sharp rom.. Im going to mull over that for a while. |
| 12:58:24 | nemui | And I dont use java. |
| 12:58:28 | narrowmind | ick java |
| 12:58:31 | NetAmp | is global_assign a proper array? |
| 12:58:38 | nemui | And I like have 44 megs of space instead of 32 ;) |
| 12:58:45 | nemui | 46 even |
| 12:58:47 | narrowmind | heh |
| 12:59:02 | narrowmind | If I need more space I just use SD card.. |
| 12:59:06 | nemui | var $global_assign = array( 'HTTP_SERVER_VARS' => array( 'SCRIPT_NAME' ) |
| 12:59:09 | nemui | ); |
| 12:59:11 | narrowmind | I want to have as much excuttion space as I need |
| 12:59:24 | nemui | narrowmind : I just see no reason NOT to have a writable flash ;) |
| 12:59:59 | narrowmind | is that php.. |
| 13:00:03 | nemui | yup. |
| 13:00:06 | NetAmp | yah |
| 13:00:11 | narrowmind | hmm... |
| 13:00:33 | narrowmind | bout the only scripting lanugage I know is perl.. and I dont do that very well.. |
| 13:00:36 | NetAmp | and what's the error message? |
| 13:00:42 | nemui | var $global_assign = array( 'HTTP_SERVER_VARS' => array( 'SCRIPT_NAME' ) |
| 13:00:44 | narrowmind | I tend to write C faster => |
| 13:00:45 | nemui | oops |
| 13:00:46 | nemui | that didnt work |
| 13:00:50 | nemui | Parse error on line 192 |
| 13:00:56 | nemui | which is the first line I showed you.. the foreach line. |
| 13:00:56 | NetAmp | hm I'm not very good at Perl either... and RegEx even less |
| 13:00:56 | narrowmind | maybe var @global_assign |
| 13:01:00 | nemui | I'm great at perl. |
| 13:01:08 | narrowmind | heh.. regex are cool. |
| 13:01:31 | nemui | narrowmind : Nope. they dont dfeclare variables like normal people. |
| 13:01:35 | NetAmp | they are, but pretty complicated to get started |
| 13:01:40 | narrowmind | I wrote a perl system wich generates lex/yacc code.. for a CLI parser |
| 13:01:51 | NetAmp | neat |
| 13:02:04 | narrowmind | its like programming with a 10 foot pool |
| 13:02:06 | NetAmp | well... @ probably doesn't have that function in php |
| 13:02:08 | narrowmind | er pole |
| 13:02:43 | narrowmind | that looks odd.. |
| 13:03:06 | narrowmind | I mean its like [ ,[]] |
| 13:03:31 | NetAmp | multi-dimensional array |
| 13:03:34 | nemui | I really dont know.. thats why I'm asking netamp :) |
| 13:03:43 | nemui | php is b evil bad juju |
| 13:03:48 | narrowmind | heh |
| 13:04:13 | NetAmp | hah;) err.. shouldn't there be a $ in front of global_assign |
| 13:04:20 | nemui | are you sure? |
| 13:04:22 | narrowmind | it looks like its trying to be a double dimensional |
| 13:04:26 | NetAmp | I didn't do that much with php classes yet... |
| 13:04:37 | nemui | Parse error: parse error, expecting `'$'' in Smarty.class.php on line 80 |
| 13:04:47 | NetAmp | in this ($this->global_assign |
| 13:04:51 | nemui | OH! |
| 13:05:01 | narrowmind | but that would prolly be var $global_assing = array(array("http server vars")=> array('script name')) |
| 13:05:16 | nemui | still has a parse error though :p |
| 13:05:27 | narrowmind | I forget where.. but => is the same as , in the perl cookbook. |
| 13:05:34 | narrowmind | php is perlish. |
| 13:05:40 | narrowmind | or has real perl flavoring |
| 13:05:40 | nemui | php is crappish. :) |
| 13:05:41 | NetAmp | hehe yeah it is |
| 13:05:58 | narrowmind | made with 10% perl juice |
| 13:06:09 | nemui | hehe |
| 13:07:49 | narrowmind | bah.. the sharp roms should have shipped with fdisk and mkfs |
| 13:08:08 | narrowmind | or at least busybox versions |
| 13:09:58 | sig | well guys, I ran ICS like 10 times now and still no internet on my z |
| 13:10:22 | exs | heh ircing fom zic |
| 13:10:28 | narrowmind | heh |
| 13:10:32 | narrowmind | zic is cool. |
| 13:10:34 | sig | exs wish i could say the same |
| 13:10:42 | sig | I downloaded zic but haven't used it yet |
| 13:10:44 | nemui | yes it is |
| 13:10:44 | sig | can't get online |
| 13:10:45 | narrowmind | bah.. this 'Agancy' was a rerun |
| 13:10:50 | narrowmind | summer sux. |
| 13:11:01 | exs | i think zic is quite limited though |
| 13:11:08 | narrowmind | why. |
| 13:11:34 | sig | throws his z against the wall!! |
| 13:11:37 | exs | needs scripts for shortcuts |
| 13:11:42 | sig | why the hell won't it connect!! |
| 13:11:56 | exs | well batt is almost dead |
| 13:11:57 | narrowmind | your windows box wont nat for it. |
| 13:12:09 | exs | talk to you guys later |
| 13:12:13 | sig | narrowmind: how hard is it to setup in linux? |
| 13:12:20 | narrowmind | dcc support also |
| 13:12:33 | narrowmind | masqing is easy. |
| 13:12:43 | narrowmind | I dont know about the usb adapter.. |
| 13:12:50 | narrowmind | Iv never used a Cradle on my Z |
| 13:12:54 | sig | I think I'd have to patch the kernel |
| 13:12:59 | NetAmp | hm... |
| 13:13:02 | sig | from what I've read |
| 13:13:10 | NetAmp | nemui: the 'var' shouldn't be there for PHP |
| 13:13:17 | narrowmind | I got a wireless card the same day.. and never looked back |
| 13:13:18 | nemui | NetAmp: which one? |
| 13:13:24 | NetAmp | var $global_assign |
| 13:13:46 | narrowmind | i think var is legal |
| 13:13:49 | nemui | Parse error: parse error, expecting `OLD_FUNCTION' or `FUNCTION' or `VAR' or `'}'' in Smarty.class.php on line 80 |
| 13:13:51 | nemui | IT is. |
| 13:13:54 | nemui | oops. It. |
| 13:14:18 | sig | is there a portable keyboard that works with the z? |
| 13:14:25 | narrowmind | huh? |
| 13:14:31 | narrowmind | slide out the onboard |
| 13:14:39 | sig | that one sucks |
| 13:14:42 | sig | to small |
| 13:14:46 | narrowmind | paractice |
| 13:14:51 | sig | heheh |
| 13:15:16 | sig | anyone have dsl and is using the z? |
| 13:15:21 | sig | with a cf netcard? |
| 13:15:21 | narrowmind | ya |
| 13:15:27 | narrowmind | linksys |
| 13:15:32 | narrowmind | wireless |
| 13:15:34 | nemui | I have cable and Im using one with a wireless cf |
| 13:15:43 | sig | cool |
| 13:15:57 | sig | anyone use windows XP and has there z working on the internet?? |
| 13:15:59 | sig | :) |
| 13:15:59 | narrowmind | the encryption is wonky.. if you generate from a pass phrase |
| 13:16:02 | NetAmp | nope... 'var' is never mentioned in the manual (variable declaration) |
| 13:16:05 | sig | with the cradle |
| 13:16:27 | nemui | NetAmp: well, it dies without it saying it needs function or var. |
| 13:16:41 | NetAmp | jeesh that's weird... |
| 13:16:47 | nemui | heh.. yes it is :p |
| 13:16:55 | NetAmp | where did you get that script from? |
| 13:17:01 | nemui | let me find the url. |
| 13:18:21 | nemui | crap. |
| 13:18:29 | nemui | debian uses php3 right nwo for woody. |
| 13:18:34 | narrowmind | ya.. thats a double deminsal array |
| 13:19:55 | nemui | a wha..? |
| 13:20:07 | NetAmp | dimensional |
| 13:20:52 | NetAmp | for example |
| 13:20:52 | NetAmp | $fruits = array ( |
| 13:20:52 | NetAmp | "fruits" => array ("a"=>"orange", "b"=>"banana", "c"=>"apple"), |
| 13:20:52 | NetAmp | "numbers" => array (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6), |
| 13:20:52 | NetAmp | "holes" => array ("first", 5 => "second", "third") |
| 13:20:52 | NetAmp | ); |
| 13:20:55 | narrowmind | ya |
| 13:21:02 | narrowmind | I found the same example |
| 13:21:05 | NetAmp | :) |
| 13:21:06 | NetAmp | (http://www.php.net/manual/en/function.array.php) |
| 13:22:59 | nemui | Warning: Invalid argument supplied for foreach() in /var/www/Smarty/Smarty.class.php on line 192 |
| 13:23:04 | nemui | We've changed errors ;) |
| 13:23:37 | narrowmind | heh |
| 13:23:42 | narrowmind | are you for eaching on that array |
| 13:24:04 | nemui | yay |
| 13:24:06 | nemui | I think I got it. |
| 13:24:08 | narrowmind | that array looks like a hash.. |
| 13:24:15 | nemui | I dunno... this whole thing is wacky. |
| 13:24:28 | narrowmind | is there a 'keys' function? |
| 13:25:13 | NetAmp | if you change |
| 13:25:19 | narrowmind | you prolly wnat a values funtion. instead |
| 13:25:24 | NetAmp | this->global_assign |
| 13:25:26 | NetAmp | to |
| 13:25:28 | NetAmp | $global_assign |
| 13:25:39 | nemui | I did :) |
| 13:25:40 | NetAmp | it just prints HTTP_SERVER_VARS |
| 13:25:42 | NetAmp | :S |
| 13:25:58 | NetAmp | pretty not-useful? :( |
| 13:27:21 | sig | what linux distro's do you all use? |
| 13:27:30 | nemui | debian |
| 13:27:37 | sig | anyone use redhat? |
| 13:27:39 | narrowmind | redhat/mandrake.... |
| 13:27:41 | sig | I need a router |
| 13:27:43 | nemui | not if I can help it. |
| 13:28:08 | narrowmind | I would use debian.. but Im used to all the bugs in redhat ... learning debians would be a pain.. |
| 13:28:18 | sig | if i had a router all of this would be much easier for me to share the internet connection with my linux box |
| 13:28:27 | narrowmind | dunno |
| 13:28:28 | sig | I know redhat |
| 13:28:35 | narrowmind | prolly. |
| 13:28:37 | sig | I've used it for 2 years now |
| 13:28:38 | wembly | sig: wha? |
| 13:28:50 | wembly | sig: what do you need a router for? |
| 13:28:59 | narrowmind | but it would be alot eaiser with a real network adapter on the Z.. I like the wireless |
| 13:29:03 | nemui | debians great. I hate redhats lack of a good front end for rpm. |
| 13:29:04 | sig | wembly: to save myself time and pain |
| 13:29:10 | wembly | sig: ahh lazy huh? |
| 13:29:12 | nemui | and ipkg is based on apt-get |
| 13:29:14 | narrowmind | heh.. rpm |
| 13:29:19 | wembly | nemui: ugh i hate rpm in general |
| 13:29:20 | narrowmind | ya. |
| 13:29:26 | nemui | wembly : me too |
| 13:29:29 | wembly | nemui: its a horrid file format with crappy everything else. |
| 13:29:30 | narrowmind | Im hooked on /usr/ports |
| 13:29:31 | sig | wembly: I'd have to patch the kernel to get the cradle working in linux |
| 13:29:42 | nemui | yup |
| 13:29:42 | wembly | nemui: not to mention the packages. |
| 13:29:49 | Cloud | sig: i use a linksys |
| 13:29:49 | wembly | sig: yea so? |
| 13:29:53 | wembly | sig: whats so wrong with that? |
| 13:29:55 | wembly | sig: or hard. |
| 13:30:01 | sig | does QT/desktop work with sl-5500? |
| 13:30:08 | Cloud | easy enough and fairly cheap |
| 13:30:19 | wembly | uses linux to do his routing. |
| 13:30:26 | sig | wembly: I tried to patch last night from the source tree and it errored on me |
| 13:30:29 | Cloud | hehe yes that works too wembly |
| 13:30:31 | nemui | Anyone here know ldap at all? |
| 13:30:32 | narrowmind | ick.. desktop.. |
| 13:30:46 | wembly | sig: how so? |
| 13:30:48 | Cloud | thinks narrowmind's name is fitting |
| 13:30:51 | wembly | sig: what was the error? |
| 13:30:54 | sig | sysinfo error |
| 13:30:54 | nemui | lol |
| 13:30:55 | sig | I think |
| 13:31:04 | wembly | sig: what patch? |
| 13:31:09 | wembly | sig: usbdnet or cdcether? |
| 13:31:09 | sig | I'll have to try again later |
| 13:31:19 | sig | the patch for the usb cradle |
| 13:31:23 | wembly | yes |
| 13:31:24 | sig | usbdnet |
| 13:31:24 | wembly | which one? |
| 13:31:26 | wembly | k |
| 13:31:37 | wembly | the instructions were fairly simple. |
| 13:31:46 | sig | wembly: yes, very simple |
| 13:31:47 | wembly | perhaps redhat does more stupid stuff then im not aware of :/ |
| 13:31:49 | sig | and it errored |
| 13:31:57 | sig | wembly: that is prolly it |
| 13:31:58 | wembly | what version fo the kernel do you have? |
| 13:31:59 | sig | :( |
| 13:32:01 | wembly | 2.4 or 2.2? |
| 13:32:08 | sig | 2.4.18-4 |
| 13:32:14 | wembly | and wtf is -4? |
| 13:32:14 | sig | and i got the right patch too fo rit |
| 13:32:20 | sig | lol |
| 13:32:32 | sig | redhats version numbers |
| 13:32:38 | wembly | there is no 2.4.18-4 on kernel.org :P |
| 13:32:40 | Cloud | http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/linux_ethernet-over-usb-howto.shtml#mdrk |
| 13:32:41 | wembly | bah |
| 13:32:50 | sig | wembly: i got it from a diff place |
| 13:33:07 | wembly | *sigh* |
| 13:33:12 | wembly | where did it put it? |
| 13:33:37 | wembly | the kernel source that is. |
| 13:33:38 | sig | http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/qtopia_desktop_howto.shtml |
| 13:33:43 | NetAmp|brb | Mandrake8.2/Redhat7.2 |
| 13:34:04 | sig | http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/linux_ethernet-over-usb-howto.shtml |
| 13:34:15 | wembly | whats the urls' for? |
| 13:34:26 | sig | for the patching |
| 13:34:36 | sig | the howto |
| 13:34:49 | sig | wembly: you use mdk? |
| 13:35:03 | wembly | wtf is mdk? |
| 13:35:06 | sig | lol |
| 13:35:09 | sig | mandrake |
| 13:35:11 | wembly | oh |
| 13:35:11 | wembly | no |
| 13:35:12 | wembly | debian |
| 13:35:15 | wembly | i avoid rpm |
| 13:35:22 | wembly | cus its just horrid. |
| 13:35:34 | sig | no f'ing clue why it errored |
| 13:35:37 | NetAmp | hm I'm kinda used to rpm |
| 13:35:46 | NetAmp | cuz I used SuSE for a while |
| 13:35:51 | wembly | 1st things 1st. do you have a dir called linux in /usr/src/ |
| 13:35:53 | narrowmind | the only ting that sucks about rpm is the depends |
| 13:35:55 | wembly | aka |
| 13:36:00 | wembly | does the dir /usr/src/linux exist? |
| 13:36:06 | NetAmp | though I don't really get the rpm command line tool... pretty confusing |
| 13:36:08 | wembly | and does it contain the source for 2.4.18? |
| 13:36:09 | sig | wembly: i know how to patch and build kernels |
| 13:36:12 | narrowmind | its nice when the tool just *finds* the dependancies |
| 13:36:17 | sig | don't need to go there |
| 13:36:26 | narrowmind | heh |
| 13:36:37 | narrowmind | im hooked on /usr/ports |
| 13:36:39 | wembly | narrowmind: not to mention the crappy file format and meny meny other things. |
| 13:36:50 | wembly | narrow: wtf is /usr/ports? |
| 13:36:56 | NetAmp | nemui: http://www.php.net/manual/en/ref.ldap.php ? :) |
| 13:37:01 | wembly | sig: then what is the error? |
| 13:37:03 | narrowmind | the ports system on *bsd |
| 13:37:07 | wembly | narrow: ahhhh |
| 13:37:10 | sig | wembly: i told you the error |
| 13:37:13 | sig | sysconfig |
| 13:37:17 | NetAmp | nemui: could you have a use for that? ;) |
| 13:37:18 | narrowmind | it auto downloads and builds the tools. |
| 13:37:20 | mark_ | Cloud: where does it come from? (fbnc for Z) |
| 13:37:20 | sig | I don't have it in front of me right now |
| 13:37:24 | narrowmind | including dependncies |
| 13:37:25 | wembly | sig: :/ |
| 13:37:29 | wembly | sig: sysconfig tells me nuffin. |
| 13:37:35 | sig | wembly: will you be around later? |
| 13:37:38 | wembly | yes |
| 13:37:40 | sig | I have to go to school soon |
| 13:37:48 | narrowmind | isnt is summer yet. |
| 13:37:53 | sig | I'm from westcoast |
| 13:37:59 | sig | it is 6:41 here |
| 13:38:05 | sig | I'll be back around noon |
| 13:38:07 | mark_ | sig: heh, my name is westcott :) |
| 13:38:07 | narrowmind | heh.. this commerical rox.. the police change the tire for the robbers |
| 13:38:08 | sig | will you be here? |
| 13:38:13 | wembly | sig: yes msg me |
| 13:38:18 | sig | ok, cool |
| 13:38:22 | sig | you can help me later then |
| 13:38:23 | sig | bbl |
| 13:38:25 | NetAmp | "school" ~= /school/yuck/ :P |
| 13:38:27 | wembly | sig: there is no sysconfig anywhere in the patch |
| 13:38:37 | narrowmind | Im so happy to be done.. |
| 13:38:45 | sig | wembly: I'll run it again later and paste the error |
| 13:38:47 | sig | I have to go now |
| 13:39:05 | NetAmp | Cya sig |
| 13:39:13 | wembly | sig: there is only 5 files touched. |
| 13:39:29 | Cloud | mark: killefiz has it |
| 13:39:35 | Cloud | sorry i missed you asking that |
| 13:40:14 | Cloud | http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showapps.php?cat=8 |
| 13:40:20 | Cloud | for fbvnc server for z |
| 13:41:56 | NetAmp | wowy |
| 13:42:01 | NetAmp | I'm gonna buy me a Zaurus |
| 13:42:07 | NetAmp | just to use that app ;) |
| 13:42:09 | NetAmp | hah |
| 13:42:32 | Cloud | NetAmp: vnc? |
| 13:42:42 | NetAmp | yep :P |
| 13:43:00 | NetAmp | I think it's cool, the remote controlling stuff ;) |
| 13:43:04 | Cloud | hehe i use it all the time |
| 13:43:57 | Cloud | but, vnc to windows is a bit rough |
| 13:44:05 | NetAmp | yah :S |
| 13:44:31 | NetAmp | hey, the picture says you can also connect via the web |
| 13:44:41 | NetAmp | so you'd get a picture in your browser ?! |
| 13:46:29 | wembly | netamp: herm? |
| 13:46:30 | wembly | for vnc? |
| 13:46:36 | wembly | the server has a little java applet |
| 13:46:53 | NetAmp | oh.. sweet :) |
| 13:46:56 | wembly | you connect on port 8080 i think is the default |
| 13:46:59 | wembly | so you dont need the client. |
| 13:47:14 | NetAmp | it says here: http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=21 |
| 13:47:19 | wembly | anyone know what the serial device driver does? |
| 13:47:21 | NetAmp | so I was wondering how that'd go... |
| 13:47:32 | NetAmp | so it's java, hm interesting :) |
| 13:47:54 | NetAmp | serial? |
| 13:48:03 | NetAmp | isn't that for the port at the bottom of the device |
| 13:49:19 | NetAmp | aaaahhhhh no |
| 13:49:25 | NetAmp | EBone/KPNQwest is gonna die :( |
| 13:49:38 | NetAmp | according to slashdot "EBone/KPNQwest Network Shutting Down" |
| 13:50:20 | wembly | err sorry |
| 13:50:23 | wembly | 5900 |
| 13:50:24 | wembly | not 8080 |
| 13:50:33 | wembly | wtf is EBone/KPNQwest? |
| 13:51:05 | NetAmp | http://slashdot.org/ |
| 13:51:05 | wembly | netamp: the port at the bottom is serial and usb combined i think. |
| 13:51:12 | mark_ | Cloud: cheers |
| 13:51:30 | NetAmp | wembly: hm I guess... but it's weird Sharp doesn't sell a USB cable then |
| 13:51:41 | NetAmp | to use without the docking station I mean |
| 13:52:46 | mark_ | NetAmp: uoch |
| 13:52:50 | mark_ | thats not gonna be nice |
| 13:52:55 | NetAmp | I wonder if my cable connection will stay online when the network goes down :( |
| 13:53:02 | NetAmp | mark_: indeed :| |
| 13:53:26 | NetAmp | I think @Home has taken measures to redirect traffic |
| 13:53:43 | narrowmind | ugh.. is there a script I can put a hook into when dhcpc connects ? |
| 13:53:57 | NetAmp | but it'll need to go somewhere... |
| 13:59:17 | | Go on, EMOTE! I was RAISED on thought balloons!! |
| 13:59:17 | NetAmp | ibot: yow |
| 14:02:28 | wembly | siwwy |
| 14:02:37 | wembly | @home is dead i thought? |
| 14:02:51 | wembly | netamp: wha? |
| 14:02:52 | NetAmp | @home Netherlands |
| 14:03:02 | wembly | netamp: the craddle for the sl-5500 is usb |
| 14:03:13 | NetAmp | yeah I know |
| 14:03:21 | NetAmp | but wouldn't it be handier |
| 14:03:31 | NetAmp | to use without the cradle? |
| 14:03:35 | NetAmp | If you take it with you |
| 14:03:46 | wembly | netamp: the port on the bottom of the zaurus is a properatary connector (tho the specs for making hardware for it public) |
| 14:04:30 | NetAmp | yeah |
| 14:04:31 | wembly | the connector connects to the usb craddle and the serial cable provided by sharp |
| 14:04:39 | NetAmp | but they do have a serial cable |
| 14:04:52 | wembly | on the usb craddle there is a port on the back that has the exact same 'sharp i/o' port as the zaurus |
| 14:05:04 | NetAmp | one side proprietary, other side sub-D |
| 14:05:05 | wembly | which you can use to connect the craddle. |
| 14:05:09 | wembly | yea |
| 14:05:18 | NetAmp | huh? |
| 14:05:24 | NetAmp | so the cradle's cable isn't fixed? |
| 14:05:35 | wembly | what do you mean isn't fixed? |
| 14:05:38 | NetAmp | well |
| 14:05:53 | NetAmp | you say the same i/o connector is on the cradle? |
| 14:06:09 | NetAmp | or is that next to the cradle's USB cable |
| 14:06:19 | NetAmp | so the cradle's USB is not connected to that port? |
| 14:06:20 | wembly | the craddle consists of a block of plastic with the sharp i/o female port in the back and a usb cable coming out next to it. along with that a sharp i/o male connector inside the craddle. |
| 14:06:46 | wembly | netamp: if im understanding you properly no. |
| 14:06:52 | wembly | it goes like this. |
| 14:06:54 | narrowmind | ok.. any one using the email prog on the Z? |
| 14:07:14 | narrowmind | I got stunnel running off of inetd .. so I can get my mail from my imaps server.. |
| 14:07:24 | wembly | [ <sharp i/o> (pwr) (usb) ] |
| 14:07:24 | narrowmind | but I still have to solve the stunnel problem |
| 14:07:31 | narrowmind | er smtp problem |
| 14:07:42 | wembly | usb being a cable coming out of the craddle. |
| 14:08:06 | narrowmind | I guess some sort of smtp proxy that will do smtp authentication for me. |
| 14:08:06 | wembly | narrowmind: what smtp problem? |
| 14:08:08 | wembly | no auth? |
| 14:08:13 | narrowmind | ya.. I need authed smtp |
| 14:08:15 | wembly | yea |
| 14:08:18 | wembly | i have the same problem |
| 14:08:26 | narrowmind | ugh.. I really dont wana write one. |
| 14:08:35 | wembly | i just added the ip so it dosnt need one :) |
| 14:08:37 | NetAmp | oh... ok wembly now it's more clear :) |
| 14:08:56 | narrowmind | not really possible.. I was planning on useing the smtp server at werk |
| 14:08:56 | JasonNJ | morning |
| 14:09:07 | wembly | netamp: i have no clue why they didnt create some cable that is less bulky then the craddle for usb. |
| 14:09:13 | NetAmp | morning Jason |
| 14:09:21 | NetAmp | I thought you meant the USB cable was connected to i/o |
| 14:09:25 | NetAmp | that's ofcourse mean |
| 14:09:26 | wembly | like have the craddle then a sharp i/o thing or something. |
| 14:09:32 | NetAmp | that you could connect it to the Z directly... |
| 14:09:35 | wembly | i have no clue wtf the sync button on the craddle does. |
| 14:09:36 | NetAmp | but you can't :( |
| 14:09:51 | wembly | tho it does turn the z on when its pressed |
| 14:09:58 | wembly | i really gotta play wif stuffs more. |
| 14:09:59 | NetAmp | it sends a signal to Qtopia desktop I believe? |
| 14:10:06 | wembly | netamp: no clue. |
| 14:10:08 | narrowmind | bah.. I guess I could hack my sendmail server |
| 14:10:09 | NetAmp | though I have no Z (yet), so I'm not the one to ask ;) |
| 14:10:12 | wembly | i know it makes a clicky sound on the Z :) |
| 14:10:17 | wembly | so i presume it does something hehe |
| 14:10:18 | NetAmp | hah |
| 14:10:19 | ljp_work | heh.. I've been suggesting for months for a USB cable so people can use their keyboards when hooked into USB port |
| 14:10:24 | narrowmind | but thats uber gay.. as I cant roam with it.. |
| 14:10:30 | wembly | ljp: yes i demand one :) |
| 14:10:41 | wembly | ljp: they should totally redesign the craddle imho |
| 14:10:46 | wembly | ljp: chop the usb cable off |
| 14:10:57 | wembly | ljp: and stick with the sharp i/o port on the back |
| 14:11:06 | wembly | *wonders what the eletronics inside the craddle do* |
| 14:11:22 | ljp_work | naa.. just make a USB/Z cable... |
| 14:11:31 | narrowmind | hm. |
| 14:11:48 | narrowmind | usb would be cool.. it could connect to my digital camera |
| 14:11:57 | NetAmp | wembly: they have this http://www.myzaurus.com/acc_Serial2.asp but no usb cable |
| 14:12:03 | wembly | narrow: blame it on intel |
| 14:12:10 | ljp_work | no. becuase the Z is just a USB device |
| 14:12:20 | wembly | narrow: usb is meny devices one pc |
| 14:12:23 | narrowmind | what did intel do ? |
| 14:12:26 | wembly | narrow: its tree like. |
| 14:12:27 | ljp_work | you wont be able to hook anything usb into it |
| 14:12:33 | wembly | narrow: they forced it to be pc centric. |
| 14:12:34 | NetAmp | the Z has no USB host controller thingy... |
| 14:12:46 | narrowmind | usb? or the Z ? |
| 14:12:47 | ljp_work | thems the words, thx |
| 14:12:54 | wembly | narrow: the usb design does not allow usb devices to also be usb hosts |
| 14:12:55 | NetAmp | but you would be able to hook it to your PC directly, wouldn't you? |
| 14:13:11 | ljp_work | ya. its a USB client only |
| 14:13:21 | narrowmind | gdamn.. I just dont care about preiest that touch children.. man the news sucks |
| 14:13:36 | ljp_work | then dont listen to it |
| 14:13:38 | narrowmind | heh |
| 14:13:41 | NetAmp | :P |
| 14:14:06 | narrowmind | its all thats on the tv at this time of day |
| 14:14:32 | wembly | narrow: soup operas :) |
| 14:14:33 | ljp_work | I'd rather watch Mighty Mouse cartoons |
| 14:14:35 | wembly | anyhow |
| 14:14:38 | narrowmind | naw.. its still 7am |
| 14:14:44 | narrowmind | hm. |
| 14:14:49 | wembly | if only usb were not pc centric :/ |
| 14:15:02 | wembly | why cant we all just use firewire? :~( |
| 14:15:21 | narrowmind | I would live with a CF <-> memory stick adapter |
| 14:15:36 | narrowmind | ever try to power firewire off a battery ? |
| 14:15:48 | narrowmind | its like I can hear the sucking noise |
| 14:15:49 | wembly | narrow: use i.link :) |
| 14:16:02 | narrowmind | I think my ps/2 has a ilink |
| 14:16:10 | wembly | yes |
| 14:16:12 | narrowmind | hm. |
| 14:16:19 | narrowmind | I hae the linux kit fer dat as well.. |
| 14:16:20 | wembly | i.link is the 4 wire (aka no power/ground) firewire |
| 14:16:36 | NetAmp | hey I use i.link too ;) |
| 14:17:41 | wembly | i wish Z along with everything use used ilink or firewire |
| 14:17:45 | wembly | or something other then usb |
| 14:17:50 | wembly | or that usb wasnt host centric. |
| 14:18:13 | narrowmind | ethernet |
| 14:18:23 | wembly | *shrug* |
| 14:18:28 | wembly | i dont care hehe |
| 14:23:12 | wembly | herm |
| 14:23:18 | wembly | i do like the Z's email proggy |
| 14:23:38 | NetAmp | :) |
| 14:23:48 | narrowmind | wembly : it sux nutz |
| 14:24:00 | narrowmind | it needs imaps support |
| 14:24:06 | narrowmind | as well as auth'ed smtp |
| 14:24:08 | NetAmp | it's all a matter of what you're used to ;) |
| 14:24:26 | narrowmind | bahh.. have no problem with the interface.. |
| 14:24:36 | narrowmind | only the protocol compatiablities |
| 14:24:50 | Cloud | cya all later, i actually have to do some work today ;) |
| 14:25:08 | narrowmind | gdamn..emailrelay looks like it would work.. but install s a butt load of files |
| 14:26:01 | narrowmind | ugh.. and it uses a spool dir.. |
| 14:27:59 | wembly | narrow: fetchmail? |
| 14:28:07 | narrowmind | wrong direction |
| 14:28:14 | leseb | lisamail should be out soon... |
| 14:28:57 | NetAmp | oh well I don't need the mail app anyway :P |
| 14:29:00 | narrowmind | ick german |
| 14:29:01 | W|GGL|T | is back (gone 07:45:54) |
| 14:29:01 | wembly | what is lisamail anyhow? |
| 14:29:11 | wembly | whats it look like etc. |
| 14:29:12 | NetAmp | is it at lisa.de? |
| 14:29:12 | narrowmind | http://www.lisa.de/pages/de/mlinux/mailer.html |
| 14:29:17 | NetAmp | aha |
| 14:29:40 | NetAmp | hey, that does look OK :) |
| 14:30:13 | wembly | is it going to be open source? |
| 14:30:18 | wembly | will it support ssl auth? |
| 14:31:43 | JasonNJ | lisamail looks like its going to be nice |
| 14:31:51 | JasonNJ | tkcMail should be very impressive as well |
| 14:32:04 | NetAmp | :D |
| 14:32:08 | leseb | tkcMail ??? |
| 14:32:15 | JasonNJ | yep. |
| 14:32:23 | NetAmp | (I hope it features the Kwacky mascot :P ;-) |
| 14:32:27 | JasonNJ | An embedded version of their Aethera |
| 14:32:49 | JasonNJ | I've only seen some screen shots of it |
| 14:32:49 | narrowmind | ugh.. doesnt look like lisamail does imaps .. at least from the screen shots |
| 14:32:52 | warmi | hi |
| 14:33:02 | leseb | Aethera 1.0 was planned to be finished in may... |
| 14:33:04 | JasonNJ | aethera I know does IMAP |
| 14:33:06 | narrowmind | and unless tkcmail is gunna be free.. I ant gunna use it. |
| 14:33:13 | NetAmp | narrowmind: it does, see the config screenshot? |
| 14:33:16 | narrowmind | Ill write my own imap proxy first |
| 14:33:27 | narrowmind | er smtp proxy |
| 14:33:38 | wembly | narrow: you have that same problem huh? |
| 14:33:43 | narrowmind | ya |
| 14:33:57 | wembly | has everyone given up on opie-mail? |
| 14:34:04 | JasonNJ | the thing about the Zaurus platfor is there is something for everyone -- commercial and free software. |
| 14:34:05 | ljp_ | yes |
| 14:34:14 | JasonNJ | I dont think the platform can survive on open source alone. |
| 14:34:16 | narrowmind | ick.. commerical |
| 14:34:24 | JasonNJ | and niether can linux in general, for that manner. |
| 14:34:36 | ljp_ | opie supports lisa.de in their effort for lisamail, including selling imap support |
| 14:34:51 | wembly | jasonnj: thats great but unless your going to buy the software for me. |
| 14:35:05 | wembly | ljp: selling imap support? joy |
| 14:35:07 | JasonNJ | wembly: corporations want a commercial email client |
| 14:35:07 | narrowmind | its not the nicklel and diming (that sucks also) its the fact that I cant just fix the bug when I find it.. I Have to wait for some company to get around to it.. *might as run PockPC* |
| 14:35:15 | wembly | jasonnj: thats great. |
| 14:35:24 | wembly | jasonnj: i just want a email client. |
| 14:35:25 | ljp_ | yes, imap will be a plugin... |
| 14:35:25 | narrowmind | coperations want email that works |
| 14:35:33 | JasonNJ | narrowmind: tkc has been very diligent about fixing bugs |
| 14:35:40 | narrowmind | bah |
| 14:35:43 | JasonNJ | they release new versions of their stuff practically every day |
| 14:35:59 | narrowmind | thats all I need.. buggy code that I need to update every 10 minutes |
| 14:36:03 | wembly | jasonnj: good for them. |
| 14:36:11 | JasonNJ | I wish every PDA software vendor was as diligent. |
| 14:36:21 | warmi | narrowmind: nah ... I would take commercial software over OS stuff any time |
| 14:36:23 | wembly | jasonnj: how does that help me get the money to afford the software that they release every day? |
| 14:36:24 | warmi | just my experience |
| 14:36:34 | NetAmp | hah |
| 14:36:41 | NetAmp | updates are free :) |
| 14:36:43 | narrowmind | warmi: and you have a zaurus for a pda ? |
| 14:36:46 | ljp_ | heh you can't afford $15, or $10? |
| 14:36:52 | NetAmp | at least that's what I understood... |
| 14:37:00 | wembly | ljp: i cant afford the $50 they are asking for some of their products |
| 14:37:06 | narrowmind | bah |
| 14:37:12 | narrowmind | I havnt seen anything that I really like |
| 14:37:15 | warmi | narrow: yeah ... but I was talking in general ..desktop, server pda etc |
| 14:37:32 | narrowmind | If they had something that was really COol.. maybe.. but a file browser?? ftp client.. bah.. |
| 14:37:35 | NetAmp | I really like the Editor :) |
| 14:37:41 | narrowmind | ick.. |
| 14:37:45 | narrowmind | vi |
| 14:37:48 | wembly | narrow: they have majong :) |
| 14:37:54 | wembly | or however you spell it. |
| 14:38:09 | narrowmind | Im sure the qt mahjong will port |
| 14:38:11 | NetAmp | no vi if I can have a graphical toy ;) |
| 14:38:12 | warmi | NetAmp: you are not big about vi are you ? |
| 14:38:18 | ljp_ | narrow: whats vreally cool for you.. games? |
| 14:38:32 | narrowmind | a h323 client |
| 14:38:46 | wembly | just as long as theres no protection crap like cdkeys or some stupid junk :) |
| 14:39:11 | narrowmind | I wana voip from the pda.. and drop into a ip network with my wireless |
| 14:39:13 | wembly | why cant cellfone makers put a cellfone in a compact flash module? |
| 14:39:22 | narrowmind | wmbly they have |
| 14:39:28 | wembly | narrow: spiffs |
| 14:39:32 | wembly | narrow: where can i get it? |
| 14:39:40 | narrowmind | they arnt supported.. |
| 14:39:48 | narrowmind | look at the myzaurus wishlist |
| 14:39:49 | wembly | bah that sucks. |
| 14:39:54 | wembly | wishlist? |
| 14:39:54 | JasonNJ | narrowmind: the zaurus doesnt have enough horsepower to do VOIP |
| 14:39:57 | JasonNJ | at least, not yet |
| 14:40:04 | narrowmind | bah.. |
| 14:40:09 | NetAmp | warmi: hm? well.. I know it's really powerful but I'm just not used to it |
| 14:40:15 | wembly | wheres the wishlist? |
| 14:40:21 | narrowmind | you just need to write better code.. a dont use a java stack =P |
| 14:40:41 | NetAmp | cuz I'm not used to most linux stuff, I started off with dos like at age of 5 and after that only Windoze |
| 14:41:11 | narrowmind | so your like 8 now... |
| 14:41:16 | wembly | netamp: go stick linux on your desktop :) |
| 14:41:17 | warmi | NetAmp: nah .. I can;t stand that crap either .. |
| 14:41:18 | narrowmind | I mean how long can someone stay on windows? |
| 14:41:19 | JasonNJ | myzaurus has a wish list? |
| 14:41:20 | wembly | and ditch the gui :) |
| 14:41:21 | NetAmp | well ok I admit I once used Edlin ;) which is WAY more primitive than any console editor I know :P |
| 14:41:27 | warmi | I would rather use pico than vi |
| 14:41:28 | warmi | heh |
| 14:41:39 | NetAmp | warmi: hah ;) |
| 14:41:42 | NetAmp | wembly: I have mandrake :P |
| 14:41:43 | narrowmind | pico is evil |
| 14:41:51 | narrowmind | it does nasty things like auto truncate |
| 14:42:13 | wembly | narrow: thats what -w is for |
| 14:42:17 | ljp_ | real programmers just use sed |
| 14:42:27 | wembly | ljp: real programmers use cat :) |
| 14:42:31 | narrowmind | I once watched a admin kill a nameserver file with like 600 entires with pico |
| 14:42:45 | wembly | ljp: real programmers dont need to correct the non-existent mistakes :) |
| 14:42:54 | wembly | *whince* |
| 14:42:58 | narrowmind | I recompiled pico with if(!getuid()) exit(0); |
| 14:43:01 | nemui | Yhay was fun. |
| 14:43:01 | wembly | narrowmind: that admin should be fired |
| 14:43:03 | nemui | err That. |
| 14:43:09 | warmi | precisely |
| 14:43:20 | warmi | if he doesn't know how to use pico .. heehh |
| 14:43:32 | nemui | No kidding. |
| 14:43:45 | narrowmind | pico was enough for me.. but he was *related* to the uper staff |
| 14:43:51 | narrowmind | So we just let him fix it |
| 14:43:59 | narrowmind | by hand |
| 14:44:10 | narrowmind | then we showed thim the 3 line perl script that would have dont it for him |
| 14:44:26 | NetAmp | wahahha |
| 14:44:29 | NetAmp | *lolz* |
| 14:44:38 | warmi | hah ... hopefully someday he will pay you back guys for being such assholes |
| 14:44:39 | warmi | hehe |
| 14:44:52 | NetAmp | :D |
| 14:44:53 | narrowmind | no.. he thanked us.. ha has learned.. |
| 14:45:11 | narrowmind | you must while you can feed monkeys.. humans need a smack to learn |
| 14:45:58 | NetAmp | well you must admit it looks ok :P http://www.thekompany.com/embedded/tkceditor/screenshots.php3 |
| 14:46:34 | narrowmind | gui editor are hella slow.. you always reaching for a pointing device mouse/stylus.. while your in the middle of editing |
| 14:46:38 | ljp_ | tkcEditor is really nice. perhaps a little slow to start and graphic heavy.. |
| 14:47:21 | NetAmp | narrowmind: yeah I agree with you there... |
| 14:47:26 | warmi | narrow: yeah sure they are ... frankly GUIs are slow to begin with and these f** graphics cards expensive like hell .. |
| 14:47:27 | ljp_ | but there's nothing else thatdoes syntax hoghlighting |
| 14:47:30 | mark | warmi: working :) |
| 14:47:38 | warmi | I bet you would like to roll back to 80s ... |
| 14:47:39 | warmi | hehe |
| 14:47:46 | warmi | mark: what was the problem ? |
| 14:48:09 | mark | warmi: probs in knights kprocess code |
| 14:48:15 | narrowmind | well the everything from the 80s.. but with todays bandwidth |
| 14:48:54 | warmi | mark: kprocess class itself ? |
| 14:48:57 | narrowmind | and processing power.. watching 'hello world' compile for 10 minutes sucked |
| 14:49:01 | warmi | or Knights interface to kprocess ? |
| 14:49:09 | NetAmp | back to the C64 era, with DSL bandwidth :P |
| 14:49:26 | narrowmind | amiga |
| 14:49:29 | warmi | narrow: you are an admin right ? |
| 14:49:32 | narrowmind | I was |
| 14:49:38 | narrowmind | I have a real job now. |
| 14:49:39 | NetAmp | how long does "hello world" take to compile on the Z? ;) |
| 14:49:46 | narrowmind | its fast.. |
| 14:49:47 | warmi | narrow:; coding ? |
| 14:49:50 | narrowmind | ya |
| 14:50:00 | mark | warmi: knights interface to kprocess. there were two probs - first it was picking up lots of stray characters; secondly it was not dealing with '\n' lines |
| 14:50:15 | NetAmp | Amiga... cool, I used to have one, and I built worlds using "3D Construction Kit" ;) |
| 14:50:34 | mark | warmi: knights interface to kprocess. there were two probs - first it was picking up lots of stray characters; secondly it was not dealing with '\n' lines properly |
| 14:50:39 | warmi | mark: well, there you go .. looks like Knights is still quite "beta" |
| 14:50:42 | narrowmind | i build network appliences now.. |
| 14:50:50 | JasonNJ | warmi: I am really looking forward to your chess software. |
| 14:50:52 | warmi | you might want to let them know about it |
| 14:51:05 | mark | warmi: i shall |
| 14:51:17 | mark | warmi: i think the second problem is specific to ARM/zaurus or whatever though |
| 14:51:24 | mark | but the first isn't |
| 14:51:26 | JasonNJ | Now we just need a backgammon program, maybe one with a FIBS interface |
| 14:51:37 | NetAmp | heh |
| 14:51:44 | mark | anyone wanna beta test knights? |
| 14:52:03 | narrowmind | I want to write a program for the IR port.. a game of catch |
| 14:52:04 | nemui | Sure |
| 14:52:12 | nemui | mark: email it to me? |
| 14:52:16 | narrowmind | throw a virtual ball around over ir |
| 14:52:25 | NetAmp | narrowmind: hah neat idea ;) |
| 14:52:55 | narrowmind | I guess like hot potato..but with no real vegitables |
| 14:53:00 | mark | nemui: email addr? It will expire after a month or something, I don't want beta copies lurking about, that okay? |
| 14:53:12 | nemui | I need to put make back on my machine :/ |
| 14:53:13 | mark | warmi: it works v nicely |
| 14:53:34 | warmi | mark: great |
| 14:53:48 | nemui | mark: Sure.. thats fine. its hyloth@yahoo.com |
| 14:53:48 | nemui | make back on my zaurus I mean. |
| 14:53:49 | warmi | are you sure Phalanx is NOT going to work well with your Knighst |
| 14:53:56 | nemui | freakin lag. |
| 14:54:06 | nemui | someone ing me? |
| 14:54:13 | nemui | ping |
| 14:54:15 | mark | warmi: according to knights page phalynx works, hang on |
| 14:54:24 | narrowmind | tcpdump it |
| 14:54:53 | nemui | Anyone? lol |
| 14:54:55 | mark | warmi: according to the page 'apparently Phalanx XXII' works |
| 14:55:15 | NetAmp | nemui: did you get this link a while ago? http://www.php.net/manual/en/ref.ldap.php |
| 14:55:29 | JasonNJ | someone should check out kbackgammon |
| 14:55:30 | nemui | NetAmp : No... but I think I got it working... except I need to know what a dn is :) |
| 14:55:39 | JasonNJ | that sounds like a job for catalin |
| 14:55:41 | NetAmp | dn? |
| 14:55:50 | narrowmind | distignushed name |
| 14:56:06 | nemui | NetAmp: It asks for a binddn and a ... something else dn.. oh, basedn |
| 14:56:20 | mark | JasonNJ: i'd do it if i liked backgammon, which I don't. :) |
| 14:56:26 | warmi | mark: I am going to make ipkg for Phalanx engine and send it to you |
| 14:56:31 | narrowmind | basedn is like the chuck of the direcotory .. |
| 14:56:34 | mark | warmi: cheers |
| 14:56:43 | narrowmind | usally its like dc=foo,dc=com |
| 14:56:46 | narrowmind | for foo.com |
| 14:56:51 | warmi | if it works make it available as a free add on to your Knights |
| 14:57:07 | mark | warmi: yeh, i'm making a themepack available too |
| 14:57:08 | NetAmp | nemui: The equivalent to the fully qualified file reference in LDAP is the "distinguished name", referred to simply as "dn". An example dn might be. |
| 14:57:08 | NetAmp | cn=John Smith,ou=Accounts,o=My Company,c=US |
| 14:57:19 | narrowmind | ick |
| 14:57:23 | warmi_away | alright time to do some work |
| 14:57:29 | mark | c ya warmi_away, cheers |
| 14:57:36 | narrowmind | uid=foo,ou=people,dc=foo,dc=com |
| 14:58:01 | narrowmind | your example is like old style |
| 14:58:19 | NetAmp | :P it's from the PHP manual |
| 14:58:25 | nemui | Right, but whats the difference between binddn and basedn? |
| 14:58:26 | narrowmind | ya.. its old |
| 14:58:29 | NetAmp | yep... |
| 14:58:35 | JasonNJ | yo kergoth. |
| 14:58:40 | narrowmind | binddn is the name that you connect to the database as |
| 14:58:42 | nemui | Let me ask my ldap master. |
| 14:58:42 | JasonNJ | I heard you did a test with 2.4.18? |
| 14:58:43 | nemui | Ahh |
| 14:58:46 | nemui | got it. |
| 14:59:02 | nemui | and basedn is the o=this,ou=that stuff? |
| 14:59:04 | narrowmind | basedn is sorta like the name of the database, inside the databas namespace |
| 14:59:09 | narrowmind | ya. |
| 14:59:12 | nemui | ok. |
| 14:59:15 | kergoth | hey |
| 14:59:16 | nemui | let me try it again.. afk a few :) |
| 14:59:17 | NetAmp | hm... |
| 14:59:20 | narrowmind | they both are look like that |
| 14:59:42 | narrowmind | so lets say your basedn is dc=foo,dc=com |
| 14:59:44 | kergoth | JasonNJ: didnt get as far as I'd like. I'm buying a serial cable. heh |
| 15:00:01 | narrowmind | but your bindn is cn=manger |
| 15:00:12 | JasonNJ | kergoth: dont buy one, I may have one here |
| 15:00:19 | narrowmind | the binddn could also be cn=manager,dc=foo,dc=foo |
| 15:00:34 | narrowmind | Now youll need a password or some sort of creditnals |
| 15:00:42 | kergoth | brb, thirsty |
| 15:00:49 | narrowmind | the good news is you can most lkly ignore the binddn |
| 15:00:59 | narrowmind | a null bindnn aka annoymouse |
| 15:01:36 | narrowmind | so as long as the ldap server allows for annoymose read you should be able to skip the binddn |
| 15:02:06 | wembly | spiffs |
| 15:02:18 | narrowmind | I just wrote impented a ldap client.. does it show ?? =) |
| 15:02:21 | wembly | hehe |
| 15:04:45 | NetAmp | :) |
| 15:04:56 | JasonNJ | catalin |
| 15:05:00 | JasonNJ | I have a porting request |
| 15:05:23 | narrowmind | heh.. looks like lisamail does imaps |
| 15:05:27 | ljp_ | JasonNJ: why don't you learn programming? ;) |
| 15:05:56 | narrowmind | ?? |
| 15:05:56 | NetAmp | narrow: yah it does... |
| 15:06:08 | narrowmind | hmmm. |
| 15:06:25 | narrowmind | why cant a Z do voip ? |
| 15:06:33 | narrowmind | I mean it could use a shitty sampling rate |
| 15:06:54 | JasonNJ | ljp_: cause I have Benjamin |
| 15:06:55 | narrowmind | even it was half duplex. it would be a cool app. |
| 15:07:06 | JasonNJ | and I also have a billion other things to do |
| 15:07:13 | ljp_ | hehe |
| 15:08:03 | narrowmind | jasonNJ: your not a programmer ? |
| 15:08:53 | JasonNJ | no, of course not. |
| 15:08:58 | narrowmind | hm. |
| 15:09:04 | JasonNJ | I run the developer program. |
| 15:09:08 | narrowmind | haha |
| 15:09:12 | narrowmind | your a manager... |
| 15:09:28 | SmBJ | who runs sirc as root... |
| 15:09:37 | narrowmind | bwhahaha |
| 15:09:44 | JasonNJ | yeah, I like to live dangerously |
| 15:09:49 | Nadav | hehe |
| 15:10:05 | narrowmind | bah I should force fakedentd to return root |
| 15:11:57 | JasonNJ | narrowmind: I manage technical people, projects, etc. My background is in system integration and project managment. I run a consulting company and I work under contract for sharp. |
| 15:14:53 | narrowmind | ya.. your a manager |
| 15:15:03 | mark | hi mandrake |
| 15:15:07 | JasonNJ | I dont wear suits though |
| 15:15:11 | JasonNJ | I refuse to wear suits |
| 15:15:16 | JasonNJ | no ties. |
| 15:15:17 | NetAmp | hah ;) |
| 15:15:28 | catalin | yeef :) |
| 15:16:36 | narrowmind | hah.. I wear tshirst |
| 15:16:53 | narrowmind | I meet the head of sony north america in ripped jeans an a tshirt |
| 15:17:18 | JasonNJ | narrowmind: who do you work for? |
| 15:17:31 | catalin | microsoft ? *g* |
| 15:17:35 | Nadav | heh |
| 15:17:35 | narrowmind | I was working for the University of California, Riverside then |
| 15:17:50 | narrowmind | Now I work for ArrayNetworks www.arraynetworks.net |
| 15:18:19 | narrowmind | we arnt M$ .. but we do have a buinsess relationship with them |
| 15:18:46 | NetAmp | oh well... could be worse ;) |
| 15:18:53 | catalin | you can tell that... from the quotes on the main page :) |
| 15:18:55 | Nadav | haha |
| 15:19:30 | narrowmind | actually we were a MS free shop for like the first 8 months.. |
| 15:19:43 | narrowmind | now he buiness people run ms stuff.. |
| 15:19:45 | mark | nemui: sorry, can I have ur email addr again? |
| 15:19:50 | narrowmind | but the developers are all fbsd |
| 15:20:09 | NetAmp | I bet Bill runs Linux at home ;) |
| 15:20:19 | NetAmp | (Gates, that is :P) |
| 15:20:35 | catalin | NetAmp: yeah and BeOS Dano ;p |
| 15:20:49 | NetAmp | *lol* |
| 15:20:51 | Nadav | lol |
| 15:21:07 | Nadav | windows is probably programmed in vi |
| 15:21:32 | catalin | Nadav: dos was written on MS Xenix boxen |
| 15:21:35 | ljp_ | is that why it's so broken? |
| 15:21:40 | narrowmind | naw.. its another editor.. |
| 15:21:46 | narrowmind | on a xinix machine |
| 15:21:50 | Nadav | heh |
| 15:21:54 | narrowmind | what was it again.... |
| 15:21:58 | Nadav | yeah, read about that somewhere |
| 15:22:14 | narrowmind | heh. |
| 15:22:25 | narrowmind | I have a few copies of msdos.. its lamo code |
| 15:22:42 | narrowmind | bahahwahahah.. virus... jpegs...... |
| 15:23:24 | narrowmind | laughs.. so hard he almost needs new underpants |
| 15:24:32 | NetAmp | sw33t |
| 15:24:38 | NetAmp | let's re-compile msdos |
| 15:24:41 | narrowmind | I wonder what is like to live in a world where computers can get virii |
| 15:24:46 | NetAmp | for the Z :P |
| 15:24:51 | ][N-Flux | anyone good with iptables in here/ |
| 15:24:52 | NetAmp | *evil* |
| 15:24:59 | ][N-Flux | need a quick answer on something |
| 15:24:59 | narrowmind | there is alot of asm in there |
| 15:25:00 | wembly | in-flux: what do you need? |
| 15:25:07 | catalin | influx: ? |
| 15:25:09 | ][N-Flux | redirection for ms exchange |
| 15:25:17 | wembly | im not good but i might be able to answer your question (btw dont poll) |
| 15:25:21 | catalin | ports ? |
| 15:25:22 | NetAmp | Note that there *are* Linux virii... |
| 15:25:23 | wembly | i dunno |
| 15:25:23 | ][N-Flux | # Redirection for Exchange |
| 15:25:23 | ][N-Flux | iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -p tcp -s 0.0.0.0/0 -d 12.30.22.99/32 --destination-port 25 -j ACCEPT |
| 15:25:23 | ][N-Flux | iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -s 0.0.0.0/0 -p tcp --destination-port 25 -j DNAT --to-destination 192.168.1.125:25 |
| 15:25:34 | ][N-Flux | that is how it's setup atm but it's not working |
| 15:25:52 | wembly | whered you get that from? |
| 15:26:13 | ][N-Flux | it's at a customer site |
| 15:26:27 | catalin | influx: you don't need -s when it's 0.0.0.0/0 |
| 15:26:45 | ][N-Flux | catalin: o.k. just going by examples atm |
| 15:26:51 | narrowmind | and do you need /32 for a full ip |
| 15:27:21 | catalin | narrowmind: not necessarily |
| 15:27:44 | catalin | the 2 lines seem ok to me |
| 15:28:59 | catalin | '-i eth0' is also quite redundant if the router only got 2 interfaces |
| 15:29:06 | narrowmind | flux... why are you nating smtp ? |
| 15:29:26 | narrowmind | do you really want to expose exchange to every haxor on the net ? |
| 15:29:51 | narrowmind | wouldnt it be better to have a locked down sendmail accept the mail.. and then forward it to exchange |
| 15:30:00 | NetAmp | >:) |
| 15:30:02 | ][N-Flux | it's the way they want it |
| 15:30:03 | catalin | narrowmind is right |
| 15:30:06 | ][N-Flux | not my choice |
| 15:30:15 | narrowmind | just setup sendmail.. they wont know |
| 15:30:22 | ][N-Flux | belive me they will |
| 15:30:29 | narrowmind | how ? |
| 15:30:33 | ][N-Flux | nosey half assed admin there |
| 15:30:40 | catalin | eek |
| 15:30:47 | ][N-Flux | yep |
| 15:31:05 | ][N-Flux | it's a mess just trying to get them working, then I'm gonna leave it alone |
| 15:31:06 | narrowmind | did he come up with this solution or did you? |
| 15:31:19 | narrowmind | exposting sexchange is a bad idea.. |
| 15:31:26 | ][N-Flux | no kidding |
| 15:31:29 | ][N-Flux | I know that |
| 15:31:32 | ][N-Flux | you know that |
| 15:31:36 | ][N-Flux | they don't hear that |
| 15:31:54 | narrowmind | bah.. you need to sell it to them |
| 15:32:01 | ][N-Flux | not my job to sell :)P |
| 15:32:04 | narrowmind | bah. |
| 15:32:11 | narrowmind | everyone sells |
| 15:32:13 | ][N-Flux | wasn't even supposed to be setup this way |
| 15:32:20 | narrowmind | just like everyone pays |
| 15:32:23 | catalin | flux: why do you need the 12.30.22.99/32 ? |
| 15:32:26 | ][N-Flux | I'd sell it if I didn't have a bazillion other things going on |
| 15:32:48 | ][N-Flux | gf just had a kid been dealing with that all week ;) |
| 15:33:01 | ][N-Flux | trying to do little work inbetween |
| 15:33:18 | NetAmp | where'd she get that? ;) heh |
| 15:33:22 | ][N-Flux | catalin: you tell me I'm still getting used to iptables |
| 15:33:22 | NetAmp | congrats :D |
| 15:33:25 | ][N-Flux | thanks |
| 15:33:34 | narrowmind | milkman |
| 15:33:50 | catalin | flux: try removing that and see if it works |
| 15:33:52 | ][N-Flux | that's why I've been in idel city, workk work work, now kid and work work |
| 15:34:19 | NetAmp | give the kid a Z, that'll keep him/her busy ;) |
| 15:34:27 | catalin | heh |
| 15:34:27 | mark | Flood: Beta testers required for knight's chess game (non-java) |
| 15:34:31 | narrowmind | your connecting to the outside ip on this machine to test it right ? |
| 15:34:47 | ljp_ | mark: me |
| 15:34:58 | catalin | narrowmind: good question |
| 15:35:17 | kergoth | gah i forgot my cf reader at home again |
| 15:35:21 | narrowmind | if your just telneting to port 25.. you may not be conneciting to the outside ip.. |
| 15:35:24 | ][N-Flux | narrowmind: yes |
| 15:35:29 | mark | ljp_: email adr? |
| 15:35:50 | ljp_ | ljp at llornkcor.com |
| 15:35:57 | narrowmind | bah.. kick off tcpdump on both interfaces.. see where the packets go |
| 15:36:15 | NetAmp | l8r folks, dinner's waiting |
| 15:36:23 | mark | ljp_: sending |
| 15:36:50 | narrowmind | this chick on cnnfn is a hotty |
| 15:37:08 | nemui | lol |
| 15:37:52 | narrowmind | ... ohh ..yes.. mutal fund.. bond market.. buy.. sell.. touch my sector |
| 15:38:00 | Nadav | lol |
| 15:44:05 | ][N-Flux | packet's coming in, but then not passing over |
| 15:44:15 | mark | ljp_: sent |
| 15:46:43 | catalin | flux: what does 'lsmod | grep ip' say ? or is it compiled directly into the kernel (ie. not as modules) ? |
| 15:49:42 | ][N-Flux | ipt_REDIRECT 1152 0 (autoclean) |
| 15:49:42 | ][N-Flux | ipt_LOG 3872 1 (autoclean) |
| 15:49:42 | ][N-Flux | ipt_state 1024 4 (autoclean) |
| 15:49:42 | ][N-Flux | ipt_MASQUERADE 1664 1 (autoclean) |
| 15:49:42 | ][N-Flux | iptable_nat 16532 0 (autoclean) [ipt_REDIRECT ipt_MASQUERADE] |
| 15:49:43 | ][N-Flux | ip_conntrack 15820 2 (autoclean) [ipt_REDIRECT ipt_state ipt_MASQUERADE iptable_nat] |
| 15:49:44 | ][N-Flux | iptable_filter 2144 0 (autoclean) (unused) |
| 15:49:46 | ][N-Flux | ip_tables 10944 8 [ipt_REDIRECT ipt_LOG ipt_state ipt_MASQUERADE iptable_nat iptable_filter] |
| 15:49:56 | nemui | Plesae stop that. |
| 15:51:16 | catalin | hmm, you seem to have all the modules... |
| 15:51:30 | ][N-Flux | yeah, the kernel is the easy part :) |
| 15:55:24 | catalin | http://www.knowplace.org/netfilter/syntax.html#portforward |
| 15:57:47 | catalin | the docs above mention FORWARD instead of INPUT |
| 16:00:52 | W|GGL|T | hrmmm...can't compile usb (ohci) directly into the kernel |
| 16:00:59 | ][N-Flux | catalin: danke :) |
| 16:01:25 | catalin | flux: np :). it worked ? |
| 16:01:56 | W|GGL|T | oh yeah i can |
| 16:02:35 | ][N-Flux | yeppers |
| 16:03:38 | catalin | flux: odd, it didn't work here... |
| 16:11:55 | dstathos | Hello everyone |
| 16:18:09 | dstathos | Does anyone know of free WiFi access in airports? |
| 16:24:38 | JasonNJ | ick. note to self, no more gazpatcho from the sharp cafeteria. |
| 16:25:15 | Nadav | lol |
| 16:25:57 | Com[Plex] | hey jason |
| 16:26:10 | Com[Plex] | whats in store for us from the next zaurus version? |
| 16:26:59 | Com[Plex] | have you seen any prototypes yet? |
| 16:32:31 | JasonNJ | I've seen mockups of a few different designs. |
| 16:32:50 | JasonNJ | and specs on paper |
| 16:32:59 | JasonNJ | and schematics |
| 16:33:18 | JasonNJ | we expect some prerelease hardware this summer. |
| 16:33:39 | Nadav | ooh |
| 16:33:40 | extremis | What is the key bcombo for | |
| 16:33:54 | ljp_ | Shift- Space |
| 16:34:06 | extremis | ok |
| 16:34:32 | ljp_ | and '\' is Shift-Tab |
| 16:34:59 | extremis | no it isn't |
| 16:35:03 | extremis | not on the 5500 |
| 16:35:04 | extremis | :) |
| 16:35:33 | ljp_ | hmm really? |
| 16:35:50 | wembly | i have the same problem. |
| 16:36:15 | wembly | kergoth: you know if loadkeys/getkeys etc works on the zaurus platform? |
| 16:37:36 | kergoth | wembly: should work fine, though ive never tested them |
| 16:37:46 | wembly | drat |
| 16:37:55 | extremis | first level sharp pda support is scary |
| 16:37:58 | kergoth | wembly: thinking for the german key layout ppl? |
| 16:37:58 | wembly | itd be interesting to redefine the keys on the zaurus or change the key combo's |
| 16:38:03 | kergoth | ah yeah |
| 16:38:07 | extremis | they don't know what ps aux is |
| 16:38:12 | kergoth | extremis: hehe |
| 16:38:16 | wembly | kergoth: no so people can have access to \ on the 5500 :/ |
| 16:38:17 | extremis | he couldn't tell me how to bring up | |
| 16:38:25 | extremis | "you can do that with the keyboard" |
| 16:38:29 | Nadav | lol |
| 16:38:30 | extremis | can't |
| 16:38:41 | extremis | he didn't know aht dmesg was |
| 16:38:51 | extremis | or an mmc |
| 16:39:08 | wembly | extremis: they contract out help so what do you expect? |
| 16:39:18 | extremis | haha |
| 16:39:30 | extremis | they should at least know what linux is |
| 16:39:48 | extremis | I expect way more than that :) |
| 16:39:58 | extremis | but that is fine |
| 16:40:05 | extremis | I'll escalate before asking anything from now on |
| 16:40:20 | extremis | my damn won't automount in this thing |
| 16:40:23 | extremis | ugh |
| 16:40:24 | extremis | mmc |
| 16:40:31 | extremis | I've gotten it to work once |
| 16:40:40 | extremis | but defaul ti twon't even recognize the device |
| 16:40:47 | extremis | "no such device: /dev/mmcda1" |
| 16:40:48 | extremis | heh |
| 16:41:00 | Com[Plex] | JasonNJ: any idea what the stats of them will be? - same cpu? more ram? bigger lcd? |
| 16:41:01 | extremis | I should just install oz |
| 16:41:04 | wembly | ker: is there a way to export a filesystem in default zaurus? and whats the name of the default zaurus distro? |
| 16:41:26 | Com[Plex] | extr: how is it formatted? |
| 16:41:28 | wembly | com: stats for what? |
| 16:41:36 | extremis | ext2 |
| 16:42:00 | Com[Plex] | the next version of the zaurus. |
| 16:42:09 | wembly | ahhh |
| 16:42:20 | extremis | I got the best buy 3 year warrantee |
| 16:42:29 | extremis | as soon as they stop making the 5500 I'm upgraidng :) |
| 16:42:29 | Com[Plex] | extr: you might want to fdisk the mmc- aparently, your not supopsed to just format it |
| 16:42:31 | godzirra | Woohgooo.. me too :) |
| 16:42:31 | wembly | extremis: whats so speical about that? |
| 16:42:32 | extremis | "my zaurus is bad" |
| 16:42:38 | wembly | hahahah |
| 16:42:44 | godzirra | As sooin as a new one comes out "My zaurus is broken get me a new one" |
| 16:42:51 | extremis | yup |
| 16:42:56 | Com[Plex] | heheh |
| 16:42:59 | extremis | 50 for a new pda |
| 16:43:00 | Com[Plex] | I should do that |
| 16:43:04 | extremis | rather upgrade price |
| 16:43:07 | wembly | do a bad flash on the bootloader ;) |
| 16:43:08 | extremis | its so worth it |
| 16:43:10 | curd | does anybody know where to get ogg123? The link on the software index that points to zauruszone doesn't work |
| 16:43:13 | Com[Plex] | 50, is that a fee for replacement? |
| 16:43:19 | extremis | wembly: thats easy |
| 16:43:21 | extremis | good idea |
| 16:43:29 | wembly | grins innocently |
| 16:43:35 | wembly | i swear i cant help it |
| 16:43:41 | wembly | i always find ways to screw junk up |
| 16:43:44 | wembly | its my nature :) |
| 16:44:02 | extremis | the best buy folks won't be able to figure it out |
| 16:44:08 | extremis | hrm, won't boot |
| 16:44:12 | extremis | :) |
| 16:44:18 | wembly | extremis: even if they do its one hell of a fun thing to fix. |
| 16:44:22 | wembly | they will just say 'here' |
| 16:44:26 | wembly | and give you a new one. |
| 16:45:02 | extremis | wembly: do you run opie? |
| 16:45:28 | extremis | Com[Plex]: 50 is for 3 year warrantee |
| 16:46:35 | Com[Plex] | ah yes |
| 16:48:52 | wembly | extremis: no |
| 16:48:52 | wembly | extremis: herm i do believe i have that. |
| 16:49:18 | mark | JasonNJ: I'll port kbackgammon if you can get me a spare stylus or two |
| 16:49:39 | Com[Plex] | heheh\ |
| 16:49:54 | godzirra | oke dokee |
| 16:49:57 | Com[Plex] | Ill mail you a spare stylus or three if you port scummvm to qpe |
| 16:50:33 | godzirra | GOd I had a lot of messages. |
| 16:51:15 | godzirra | So who maintains addressbook? |
| 16:51:25 | godzirra | oh.. nevermind. I know that. |
| 16:51:35 | godzirra | oh damn. I'm in th4e wrong channel. |
| 16:54:14 | extremis | where is a good place to get cheap sd/mmc cards? |
| 16:54:31 | mark | Com[Plex]: heh |
| 16:55:05 | kergoth | brb |
| 16:55:54 | mark | is away: I'm busy |
| 16:56:23 | Com[Plex] | mark, im not kidding |
| 16:56:38 | Com[Plex] | not to mention, that I think that porting it would be a peice of cake |
| 16:56:57 | godzirra | Porting what? |
| 16:57:06 | Com[Plex] | just joine #scummvm - they are pretty helpful in there I just dont know fuck about coding, never had a chance to learn. |
| 16:57:12 | Com[Plex] | or proper guidance |
| 16:57:34 | Com[Plex] | scummvm emulator, the engine that ran those old sam and max games, day of the tentacle, maniac mantion. etc |
| 16:57:48 | godzirra | Ahhh |
| 16:58:03 | Com[Plex] | Script Creation Utility for Maniac Mansion Virtial Machine |
| 16:58:36 | mark | Com[Plex]: so do I, i'm gonna do it soonish |
| 16:59:22 | Com[Plex] | awsome :> |
| 16:59:33 | treke|laptop | funny thing is, It cant play maniac mansion :) |
| 16:59:41 | Com[Plex] | that will be so awesome to be able to play those games on the Z. |
| 16:59:46 | Com[Plex] | hehe. thats right treke :> |
| 16:59:59 | Com[Plex] | but mm wasnt as cool as dott and s&m. |
| 17:00:08 | Com[Plex] | dott was awesoem. s&m was even better. |
| 17:00:14 | treke|laptop | Com[Plex] : if its anything like sarien and freesci, the hardest part would be the build system |
| 17:00:37 | treke|laptop | thats the only reason I never finished my sarien port ( not to mention some minor namespace conflicts) |
| 17:00:37 | Com[Plex] | looks for subtitles |
| 17:00:40 | Com[Plex] | build system? |
| 17:00:49 | Com[Plex] | name space? |
| 17:01:08 | Com[Plex] | Im interested in knowing. I just Dont yet. :< |
| 17:01:55 | ][N-Flux | is away: Picking up my kid... |
| 17:02:33 | treke|laptop | Com[Plex]: some variables conflicted with QT class names |
| 17:03:19 | Com[Plex] | doh |
| 17:03:28 | Com[Plex] | couldnty you jsut use different ones? |
| 17:03:34 | Com[Plex] | I mean, a variable is just that right? |
| 17:03:50 | treke|laptop | Com[Plex] ; it was simple to fix :) |
| 17:04:17 | Com[Plex] | but are you still working on it? |
| 17:04:54 | treke|laptop | Com[Plex] : as for building, qt does its odd magic with moc and uic to generate a lot of qt code. I could never get the configure scripts to do the right things to link these c apps with a qt c++ app |
| 17:05:18 | treke|laptop | Com[Plex] : I stopped a while ago, but I'd start over again if I could get it to build. Its pretty simple code |
| 17:07:53 | ComZaurus | hey uh - is the source code for zic available to download? |
| 17:08:21 | treke|laptop | yeah it is |
| 17:08:30 | ComZaurus | i would like to change it so it doesnt automatically get the /motd every time i connect |
| 17:08:55 | treke|laptop | http://zic.sf.net |
| 17:08:56 | ComZaurus | what verion is it up to right now? |
| 17:09:18 | ComZaurus | ty |
| 17:11:14 | ComZaurus | any idea if there is a config file for opera that tells it what file types to open and what ones to download? |
| 17:11:40 | ComZaurus | im pretty sic of trying to dl an ipk and have it open as greek |
| 17:13:35 | Nadav | ah. xbill has been ported |
| 17:13:39 | Nadav | never noticed |
| 17:13:43 | Nadav | now i can buy a z! ;) |
| 17:14:05 | ComZaurus | lol |
| 17:14:53 | Nadav | that game is addictive |
| 17:14:55 | Nadav | uh |
| 17:15:02 | Com[Plex] | you mean wackamole? |
| 17:15:06 | Nadav | you know what game needs to be ported |
| 17:15:16 | Nadav | i don't remeber what it's called |
| 17:15:23 | Nadav | jazzyard or something |
| 17:23:34 | y0ssarian | Nadav: ported from what platforM/ |
| 17:23:36 | y0ssarian | ? |
| 17:28:59 | Nadav | well, it was windows orginally |
| 17:29:01 | Nadav | win 3.1 |
| 17:29:10 | Nadav | but there's a linux port ;) |
| 17:29:15 | y0ssarian | cool |
| 17:31:01 | numatrix | is happy. He successfully cross-compiled his first zaurus app. |
| 17:32:08 | Nadav | lol |
| 17:32:13 | Nadav | what was it? |
| 17:33:25 | numatrix | frotz - infocom interpreter. Zork for the Zaurus! |
| 17:33:42 | numatrix | I've gotta package it up pretty today, but the fact that it worked as expected really suprised me. |
| 17:35:49 | occ0 | hey |
| 17:36:22 | numatrix | hey occ |
| 17:45:47 | treke|laptop | numatrix : Plain old console frotz or a qt frotz front end? |
| 17:47:07 | JasonNJ | infocom? |
| 17:47:11 | JasonNJ | awesome. |
| 17:47:24 | JasonNJ | numatrix: where do you get the data files? |
| 17:47:29 | JasonNJ | hitchhikers guide!!! |
| 17:48:11 | treke|laptop | has a box full of infocom games on 5.25's |
| 17:49:17 | treke|laptop | http://www.krosnoff.com/hitchhikersguide/hhgttgGame.zip |
| 17:50:14 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 17:50:19 | Com[Plex] | I have that game on my site |
| 17:50:22 | Com[Plex] | anyone wants it |
| 17:50:57 | Com[Plex] | I also got the books online, the entire books on tape collection on mp3s, and the ultimate index to the hhg |
| 17:51:50 | Com[Plex] | JasonNJ: you want the data files for hhg? |
| 17:53:07 | MEGASTeP | is back (gone 14:33:18) |
| 17:56:25 | Com[Plex] | I have two versions of the game.. one with jsut two fiels, the exe and the dat, and one with the dat file broken up into all the different sections. |
| 18:00:21 | W|GGL|T | whoa...AAFES has a Zaurus as 2nd prize in a Back to School sweepstakes |
| 18:00:32 | Com[Plex] | http://www.256k.net/books/HHG2TG |
| 18:00:35 | Com[Plex] | aafes? |
| 18:01:03 | W|GGL|T | Army and Air Force Exchange Services |
| 18:01:09 | W|GGL|T | military department store |
| 18:01:12 | Com[Plex] | ahh |
| 18:01:48 | W|GGL|T | Jornada as first prize |
| 18:01:58 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 18:02:01 | W|GGL|T | yeah |
| 18:02:04 | W|GGL|T | that's funny |
| 18:07:20 | W|GGL|T | dayam...ZZ forum is still down |
| 18:16:41 | W|GGL|T | about to build another kernel |
| 18:16:44 | W|GGL|T | <sigh> |
| 18:21:52 | numatrix | sorry guys, got called away for 'work'. :-) It's just the plain console version. No qt interface, requires a terminal. |
| 18:22:32 | numatrix | JasonNJ: I just searched around for a couple of the zork ones, I've only tested zork1 so far just to verify it's working. If someone else wants to test more, let me know and I can send them the executable. Like I said I haven't packaged it up yet. |
| 18:23:14 | numatrix | I'm mkipk'ing it now. |
| 18:24:09 | numatrix | Except I can't make my mind on how to package it. Since it's just a console program and requires seperate data files, should I package just the executable along with maybe a text document help file to put on the desktop? |
| 18:24:26 | zaurusstudent | Does anyone know of any good CAS for the Zaurus? |
| 18:24:27 | numatrix | Should I include the zork1.dat file by default? Can I legally? |
| 18:24:59 | [DrEvil] | hrmmm |
| 18:25:04 | [DrEvil] | I have all the infocom games |
| 18:25:27 | asys3 | kergoth ? |
| 18:31:00 | wembly | herm. |
| 18:31:08 | wembly | well now i gotta figure out why this sounds horrid but hehe |
| 18:31:26 | Speedy_2 | Sound program? |
| 18:33:15 | wembly | im poking at something hehe |
| 18:33:22 | wembly | but it sounds all scratchy |
| 18:33:40 | wembly | it might be the codec that is causeing problems and not decoding the sound properly. |
| 18:34:03 | Speedy_2 | If you get a buffer misalignment, you'll get weirdo stuff |
| 18:34:06 | Speedy_2 | Be ware! |
| 18:34:14 | wembly | herm? |
| 18:34:14 | Speedy_2 | Sleep time |
| 18:34:16 | Speedy_2 | later |
| 18:34:18 | wembly | this isnt wif the zaurus tho |
| 18:34:31 | Speedy_2 | Still |
| 18:34:43 | wembly | what is a buffer misalignment? |
| 18:35:10 | Speedy_2 | When your start/stop of a buffer gets messed up and you're off on the samples that you're playing back |
| 18:35:43 | wembly | ist streaming tho |
| 18:35:46 | wembly | well kinda sorta |
| 18:35:51 | wembly | its from a divx movie |
| 18:35:56 | Speedy_2 | nevermind |
| 18:36:08 | wembly | hehe |
| 18:36:20 | wembly | i need another movie all the movies i have are encoded in divx. :/ |
| 18:37:01 | godzirra | i just need a divx player for my Z |
| 18:37:36 | numatrix | Are there any divx players for the Z in development that anyone knows about? |
| 18:37:45 | wembly | yes |
| 18:38:06 | nems | 2 that I know off hand. |
| 18:38:12 | nems | Probably 3. |
| 18:38:35 | numatrix | Most excellent. |
| 18:39:03 | numatrix | prepares to start re-encoding movies at 320x240... |
| 18:39:04 | zaurusstudent | Does anyone here know of any Computer Algebra System for the Zaurus? |
| 18:39:20 | nems | not offhand. |
| 18:40:06 | numatrix | Closest thing is probably http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=134 |
| 18:40:11 | numatrix | And that's not that close... |
| 18:40:21 | Com[Plex] | I get an error when compiling kpacman, "QT 1.3 Libraries cannot be found, check your instalation" - any idea where I can find those? or why its not finding em? I have nmy source set to dev-arm-qpe.sh via the script, - I dont know what im doing wrong.. |
| 18:40:24 | Com[Plex] | im compiling using ./configure |
| 18:41:12 | Com[Plex] | also.. anyone know where I can find the source for keypebble? |
| 18:41:18 | zaurusstudent | hmm, I wonder if I could compile YACAS on the zaurus |
| 18:41:21 | treke|laptop | opie cvs |
| 18:41:34 | Com[Plex] | I want to mak it default to 8bit. so I wont have to keep changing it AFter I type in my uip address and realise I screwed up |
| 18:41:44 | | rumour has it cvs is Concurrent Versions System and is at http://www.handhelds.org/sources.html or at http://cvs.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/ and at http://linux.oreillynet.com/pub/a/linux/2002/01/03/cvs_intro.html and http://linux.oreillynet.com/pub/a/linux/2002/01/17/cvsadmin.html and http://www.red-bean.com/cvsbook/ |
| 18:41:44 | Com[Plex] | ibot cvs |
| 18:41:58 | catalin | complex: you should tmake instead of ./configure for kpacman |
| 18:42:34 | Com[Plex] | kpacman doesnt have a pro file |
| 18:42:43 | Com[Plex] | tmake needs the pro file doesnt it? |
| 18:42:48 | catalin | yes |
| 18:42:51 | Com[Plex] | tmake yadda.pro > Makefile |
| 18:42:58 | catalin | where did you get the sources from ? |
| 18:43:06 | Com[Plex] | uh.. the uh.. site? |
| 18:43:09 | Com[Plex] | let me look |
| 18:43:12 | | opie is the Open Palmtop Integrated Environment. More info can be found at http://opie.handhelds.org or in the #opie channel. or at http://www.opie.info or at http://www.opie.us or most important at http://www.opie.info |
| 18:43:12 | nems | ibot, opie |
| 18:43:24 | catalin | complex: kpacman.sf.net ? |
| 18:43:33 | Com[Plex] | probly. let me follow my trail |
| 18:43:36 | numatrix | Anyone have any preference for where I should have my ipk file install the frotz interpreter? |
| 18:43:49 | Com[Plex] | yes. from there |
| 18:43:55 | numatrix | /home/QtPalmtop/bin/ ? |
| 18:44:01 | Com[Plex] | yes |
| 18:44:03 | Com[Plex] | here |
| 18:44:11 | numatrix | /usr/local/bin ? |
| 18:44:13 | Com[Plex] | /home/QtPalmtop |
| 18:44:15 | Com[Plex] | NO |
| 18:44:23 | Com[Plex] | if you put it in usr/local it wont install to SD |
| 18:44:31 | numatrix | Ahh. Ok, thanks. |
| 18:44:36 | Com[Plex] | no, thank you! |
| 18:44:49 | nems | I have /usr/local symlinked to SD :) |
| 18:44:52 | nems | And opt too. |
| 18:44:56 | Com[Plex] | if yuo didnt do it this way, I would spend 15 minutes pissing and moaning about having to do it again. lol |
| 18:45:02 | Com[Plex] | again / myself ratehr |
| 18:45:03 | catalin | complex: get the kpacman/E patch from here then try again: http://www.climov.com/zaurus/kpacman/ |
| 18:45:11 | Com[Plex] | E patch? |
| 18:45:19 | catalin | embedded |
| 18:45:22 | Com[Plex] | ahh |
| 18:45:25 | Com[Plex] | thanks |
| 18:45:31 | Com[Plex] | The page cannot be displayed |
| 18:45:40 | catalin | or check it out off opie's cvs |
| 18:45:56 | numatrix | Does anyone have any advice on whether I should include the zork1.dat file with the frotz interpreter? Or just let people find their own? |
| 18:46:20 | Com[Plex] | /Documents |
| 18:46:25 | Com[Plex] | oh. no |
| 18:46:37 | Com[Plex] | /home/QtPalmtop/Shared/Zork |
| 18:46:42 | wembly | anyone know of a good sample mpeg video? |
| 18:46:47 | Com[Plex] | lowercase shared |
| 18:46:48 | Speedy_2 | wembly: For what? |
| 18:46:55 | Speedy_2 | wembly: I could send you some stuff |
| 18:47:21 | nems | buy guys, have a good weekend :) |
| 18:47:27 | Com[Plex] | later nems |
| 18:47:28 | W|GGL|T | doh...usbdnet.c won't compile into the kernel |
| 18:47:53 | wembly | herm.. :/ |
| 18:47:59 | wembly | wigglit: why not? |
| 18:48:04 | Speedy_2 | wembly: What do you want a test MPEG for, I can send you a few things |
| 18:48:06 | wembly | urf :/ |
| 18:48:09 | numatrix | Com[Plex]: you mean "share"? not "shared" right |
| 18:48:11 | Speedy_2 | Like tell me how large, etc. |
| 18:48:27 | wembly | speedy: just something to see how something works if the audio problem persists. |
| 18:48:28 | wembly | eek no |
| 18:48:29 | wembly | not here. |
| 18:48:30 | wembly | hold |
| 18:48:31 | W|GGL|T | can you even compile something that was patched? |
| 18:48:36 | Com[Plex] | uh.. let me look numatrix |
| 18:48:36 | Speedy_2 | bah |
| 18:48:59 | Com[Plex] | yes share |
| 18:48:59 | W|GGL|T | usbdnet.c:24: #error MODULE not defined |
| 18:48:59 | W|GGL|T | usbdnet.c:59: parse error before string constant |
| 18:49:09 | wembly | umm. |
| 18:49:18 | wembly | you have a bigger problem then usbdnet if thats the error hehe |
| 18:49:28 | W|GGL|T | i dont think so |
| 18:49:41 | W|GGL|T | there's a shitload more |
| 18:49:51 | W|GGL|T | no need to screenflood |
| 18:52:56 | Com[Plex] | I cant seem to reach that page with the embedded patch for kpacman |
| 18:53:58 | catalin | Complex: what error ? |
| 18:54:08 | Com[Plex] | The page cannot be displayed |
| 18:54:22 | catalin | hang on, lemme check |
| 18:54:25 | sig | my cf network card is here!! |
| 18:54:27 | sig | woo hoo |
| 18:54:31 | Com[Plex] | NCIE!! |
| 18:55:27 | Com[Plex] | anyone here had any experience with putting a N type Pigtail on there wireless cards? <for extenal antenna> |
| 18:56:03 | sig | I bought this one from the zaurus website, it better work easily |
| 18:57:13 | catalin | complex: try to wget this url: http://www.climov.com/zaurus/kpacman/kpacman-0.3.1-0.1.diff.gz |
| 19:09:13 | extremis | other than zz, what are other /feed/'s? |
| 19:09:59 | | somebody said feeds was listed at http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds |
| 19:09:59 | ljp | ibot: feeds |
| 19:10:04 | | hmmm... feed is a package repository or http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds or http://www.zauruszone.com/feed/ or http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/ for OpenZaurus |
| 19:10:04 | ljp | ibot: feed |
| 19:16:45 | extremis | thank you |
| 19:24:54 | sig | can someone help me with my CF netcard before i go crazy? |
| 19:24:54 | sig | I have dsl, and I'm not sure what exactly to do |
| 19:25:23 | sig | I made a new LAN connection and put in my dns #'s from my isp, but there is no field to put the mindspring.com and my user name for my isp? |
| 19:25:27 | sig | anyone? |
| 19:26:24 | JasonNJ | you but in the router/gateway? |
| 19:26:28 | JasonNJ | er put in |
| 19:26:44 | sig | no I let it choose its own |
| 19:26:50 | JasonNJ | hmm |
| 19:26:52 | JasonNJ | that wont work |
| 19:26:55 | sig | auto config |
| 19:27:00 | JasonNJ | are you doing DHCP |
| 19:27:05 | sig | no |
| 19:27:07 | sig | dsl |
| 19:27:10 | sig | i have dns #'s |
| 19:27:17 | JasonNJ | ok, well, DNS isnt good enough |
| 19:27:24 | sig | wha? |
| 19:27:43 | JasonNJ | you need to specify a gateway addr if you arent doing DHCP thru your router, or residental gateway, whatever. |
| 19:27:53 | sig | I'm not hooked to a router |
| 19:27:57 | JasonNJ | ah. |
| 19:28:03 | sig | I"m connecting it straight to a dsl modem |
| 19:28:17 | JasonNJ | youre going from the zaurus right into a DSL modem? |
| 19:28:21 | sig | yeah |
| 19:28:33 | JasonNJ | how do you connect with your PC? |
| 19:28:42 | JasonNJ | DHCP or do you specify all your ip info |
| 19:28:56 | sig | dns |
| 19:29:02 | sig | im on a xp box now |
| 19:29:17 | JasonNJ | yes, but DNS only does name resolution. |
| 19:29:19 | sig | and to connect to the internet i had to enter 2 dns #'s |
| 19:29:30 | sig | and put in like mindspring.com |
| 19:29:35 | sig | and my user name |
| 19:29:40 | JasonNJ | soemthing still has to throw you an IP address, be it statically assigned by your ISP or or dhcp |
| 19:29:41 | sig | there are no fields for that in the z |
| 19:30:08 | JasonNJ | I've never heard of a configuration like that... unless you are talking about PPOE on the router side |
| 19:30:08 | sig | if dsl isn't supported by this thing i'm taking it back |
| 19:30:15 | sig | yes pppoe |
| 19:30:17 | sig | that is dsl |
| 19:30:34 | JasonNJ | ok, well, ppoe authentication typically is done at the router level. |
| 19:30:35 | sig | you put in 2 dns #'s mindspring.com and username and passwd |
| 19:30:41 | sig | no its not |
| 19:30:54 | sig | I've had dsl for 3 years and never owned a router |
| 19:30:56 | JasonNJ | So I would suggest you get a DSL rotuer for 100 bucks with a few ethernet ports in it |
| 19:31:02 | sig | no no no |
| 19:31:05 | JasonNJ | I am aware that windows has ppoe clients |
| 19:31:10 | sig | so does linux |
| 19:31:21 | sig | I don't need a router to connect with my linux boxes |
| 19:31:29 | JasonNJ | well, the easiest way to handle it is thru a router. |
| 19:31:35 | sig | dude |
| 19:31:43 | sig | you don't know what your talking about |
| 19:31:46 | sig | never mind |
| 19:31:46 | JasonNJ | are you physically disconnecting your PC's? |
| 19:31:48 | sig | thanks anyways |
| 19:32:18 | sig | yes, I had to unplug my z to put this pc's rj45 cable back in so i could connect |
| 19:32:31 | sig | so i could come here and ask for help |
| 19:32:35 | JasonNJ | doesnt that defeat the purpose of having a home network? |
| 19:32:40 | sig | once i find the help, i will unplug this and plug the z back in |
| 19:32:48 | sig | I don't want a home network |
| 19:32:59 | Nadav | so you want internet on your z, but not on your pc? |
| 19:33:07 | sig | Nadav: exactly |
| 19:33:10 | JasonNJ | ok, well, we dont have a gui interface to PPOE. |
| 19:33:15 | Nadav | well, why? ;) |
| 19:33:29 | sig | is there roaring penguin availiable for it? |
| 19:33:34 | sig | or command line setup? |
| 19:33:48 | sig | if not I'm returning this pubby |
| 19:33:56 | sig | pubby=puppy |
| 19:34:09 | JasonNJ | sig: we have all the command line stuff if you want it. |
| 19:34:26 | sig | you have a pppoe command line setup? |
| 19:34:32 | JasonNJ | but like I'm saying, your configuration is somewhat on the estoteric side |
| 19:34:42 | sig | no its not |
| 19:34:45 | wembly | sig: herm? |
| 19:34:49 | wembly | sig: you fix your patch problem? |
| 19:35:01 | sig | wembly: no, i just received my cf netcard now |
| 19:35:12 | JasonNJ | sig I am pretty sure you could cross compile the ppoe tools if you REALLY wanted them. |
| 19:35:15 | wembly | sig: hehe that'll solve some problem :) |
| 19:35:19 | sig | and JasonNJ is telling me i can't connect it straight to my dsl modem and connect with pppoe |
| 19:35:23 | JasonNJ | I mean, its a linux box. |
| 19:35:36 | wembly | sig: nope |
| 19:35:40 | wembly | you need pppoe junk. |
| 19:35:46 | sig | where can i dl it? |
| 19:35:49 | sig | for the z |
| 19:35:50 | wembly | dunno |
| 19:35:54 | sig | well fuck |
| 19:35:56 | sig | :( |
| 19:36:01 | wembly | jasonnj: couldnt he rip em out of debian arm? |
| 19:36:13 | JasonNJ | yeah, he probably could. |
| 19:36:18 | wembly | setup a linux box as a router with a switch/hub on the other side :) |
| 19:36:31 | wembly | thatd be what id do |
| 19:36:33 | sig | wembly: thats like asking a chimp to talk to you |
| 19:36:35 | sig | hehehe |
| 19:36:38 | JasonNJ | or, go to compusa and buy a stinking rotuer for 50 bucks |
| 19:36:49 | wembly | or that hehe |
| 19:36:50 | sig | I'm a poor bastard |
| 19:36:59 | wembly | herm. |
| 19:37:05 | wembly | jasonnj: could you do me a fav. |
| 19:37:19 | JasonNJ | wembly: |
| 19:37:23 | JasonNJ | yes |
| 19:37:36 | sig | can someone help me find that pppoe crap for this z |
| 19:37:40 | wembly | can you help me with a mental idea/concept of how fast the zaurus processor is compared to roughtly what intel cpu/speed? |
| 19:37:51 | JasonNJ | hmm |
| 19:38:03 | JasonNJ | probably a pentium 233 |
| 19:38:14 | JasonNJ | except we dont have a FPU. |
| 19:38:15 | wembly | basicly i dunno how well the arm platform performs. |
| 19:38:30 | JasonNJ | so all comparisons are basically BS. |
| 19:38:33 | wembly | so i have no clue what to expect as far as performance and such. |
| 19:38:47 | wembly | jasonnj: not really. as long as its not useing fpu :) |
| 19:38:52 | JasonNJ | wembly what are you trying to achieve |
| 19:38:59 | wembly | what freq is the processor running at in the zaurus? |
| 19:39:03 | JasonNJ | 206 |
| 19:39:12 | wembly | jason: a rought idea of what the zaurus is capable of :) |
| 19:39:13 | CloudChaser | hello everyone |
| 19:39:44 | wembly | mainly atm im pondering why it takes a 400mhz pent to play videos. and yet it shouldnt take that much for the zaurus. |
| 19:39:52 | wembly | or wondering what kinda performance i can get outa the zaurus |
| 19:40:07 | wembly | and if its just the software that is playing it on the pc sucks :) |
| 19:40:08 | wembly | etc |
| 19:41:32 | sig | anyone know where I can get pppoe prog for my z? |
| 19:41:36 | sig | please |
| 19:42:02 | wembly | sig: go poke at debian's arm distro is the only thing i can think of |
| 19:42:19 | sig | wembly: i don't know how to change it to a z package or anything |
| 19:42:25 | sig | i just know how to click on install |
| 19:42:26 | sig | :( |
| 19:42:47 | wembly | sig: you dont you extract it and put the files someplace so they can be used and you set it up all on your own. |
| 19:42:50 | wembly | or you do it by hand. |
| 19:42:54 | wembly | ahh |
| 19:42:56 | wembly | i dunno |
| 19:43:03 | wembly | id say go with a router. |
| 19:43:07 | wembly | itd make life easier :) |
| 19:43:16 | wembly | ether turning your pc into a router or buying one |
| 19:43:26 | sig | the whole purpose i bought this ethernet card was for a direct connection to my dsl modem |
| 19:43:45 | wembly | linksys has a fairly decent wireless Access point and dsl/cable router unit (imho) |
| 19:43:59 | wembly | well you have a direct connection to your dsl modem |
| 19:44:06 | wembly | your isp just sucks ;) |
| 19:44:09 | sig | wembly: if i shut this comp down and add another nic to my redhat machine, can you help me turn it into a router? |
| 19:44:10 | wembly | hehe j/kin |
| 19:44:22 | wembly | sig: not really |
| 19:44:28 | sig | earthlink/mindspring isp |
| 19:44:35 | wembly | sig: mainly cus i dunno how redhat does its stuff. |
| 19:45:01 | wembly | how meny ip's does your isp give you? |
| 19:45:05 | JasonNJ | sig there are HOWTOS out there for NAT on redhat |
| 19:45:07 | sig | 2 |
| 19:45:13 | wembly | spiffs |
| 19:45:25 | sig | well this sucks |
| 19:45:31 | JasonNJ | also if you turn your pc into a router you will need a crossover cable |
| 19:45:41 | sig | i have a crossover cable |
| 19:45:47 | wembly | jason: or a hub/switch |
| 19:45:55 | JasonNJ | well actually you dont |
| 19:46:01 | sig | and a hub |
| 19:46:07 | JasonNJ | you can go nic to nic, but its ugly |
| 19:46:17 | JasonNJ | not recommended |
| 19:46:23 | wembly | jason: i know. |
| 19:46:24 | sig | man....... maybe I'll just return it |
| 19:46:25 | sig | :( |
| 19:46:31 | Nadav | where do you live? |
| 19:46:36 | sig | me? |
| 19:46:37 | Nadav | i'll buy it from ya ;) |
| 19:46:45 | sig | it is 2 days old |
| 19:46:47 | [MiniMe] | anyone having probs connecting to the tkcjabber server? |
| 19:46:57 | wembly | sig: return which? |
| 19:47:02 | sig | the z |
| 19:47:08 | sig | and the cf network card |
| 19:47:11 | wembly | *crys* |
| 19:47:36 | CloudChaser | MiniMe: i am |
| 19:47:41 | sig | they make this shit to hard for typical users to connect to the internet |
| 19:47:43 | CloudChaser | for couple days now |
| 19:47:46 | [MiniMe] | hmmm |
| 19:47:57 | Nadav | sig, typical users would use a router for a network |
| 19:48:01 | CloudChaser | haven't seen bigboss in couple days either |
| 19:48:05 | [MiniMe] | and BB is MIA |
| 19:48:10 | Nadav | most people wouldn't try connecting their Z straight to their DSL modem |
| 19:48:14 | sig | Nadav: i don't have a router and I'm connected to the internet now |
| 19:48:21 | sig | straight into my dsl modem |
| 19:48:23 | wembly | sig: a typical user would have a linksys router connected to the dsl. |
| 19:48:28 | sig | how untypical ist that?? |
| 19:48:36 | wembly | sig: depends. |
| 19:48:41 | Nadav | not untypical if you only have 1 computer.. |
| 19:48:42 | wembly | sig: do you only have one pc? |
| 19:48:42 | sig | thats retarded |
| 19:48:50 | sig | I have 6 |
| 19:48:52 | wembly | sig: if you have more then one pc then very untypical. |
| 19:48:59 | sig | only one is connected to thenet |
| 19:49:03 | wembly | sig: ahh nm then. |
| 19:49:06 | wembly | sig: my gawd |
| 19:49:09 | wembly | sig: get a router. |
| 19:49:13 | wembly | sig: and/or a switch |
| 19:49:18 | sig | fack it |
| 19:49:20 | wembly | and hook the rest of those systems up to the net useing nat |
| 19:49:48 | wembly | or learn howto setup a linux pc as a router |
| 19:49:49 | sig | why the hell didn't zaurus build in pppoe shit? |
| 19:49:58 | wembly | sig: why would they need to? |
| 19:50:06 | sig | for users with dsl |
| 19:50:15 | sig | that don't want to spend money on routers |
| 19:50:18 | wembly | sig: i have dsl my dad has dsl |
| 19:50:23 | CloudChaser | linksys has dsl/cable router |
| 19:50:38 | wembly | sig: then use linux |
| 19:50:40 | CloudChaser | less than 100 i think for 4 port switch with router |
| 19:50:42 | sig | i'm returnin this thing i think |
| 19:50:43 | Nadav | sig because 99% of the people with dsl would want to have their pc connected to the internet and the z at the same time |
| 19:50:45 | sig | wembly: i use linux |
| 19:50:51 | wembly | sig: do you have a switch/hub? |
| 19:50:58 | sig | wembly: no |
| 19:51:11 | sig | I have a hub in the closet |
| 19:51:16 | wembly | sig: your isp will hate you but hook the dsl modem the linux box and all the other pc's into the same switch/hub. |
| 19:51:24 | wembly | then you only need one nic in the linux box |
| 19:51:42 | wembly | btw did i mention this is horridly unrecommended? and very bad juju? along with your isp will hate you? |
| 19:51:43 | CloudChaser | you do? |
| 19:51:51 | CloudChaser | how do they connect then? |
| 19:52:06 | wembly | anyhow then setup a alias eth0:1 that will be your internal network. and eth0 will be your external network. |
| 19:52:08 | sig | well I'm heading out |
| 19:52:09 | CloudChaser | linux has to connect to hub |
| 19:52:30 | sig | I've had enough of this for 2 days now |
| 19:52:31 | CloudChaser | ah i see |
| 19:52:33 | wembly | best investment if you dont wanta put the effort into linux |
| 19:52:40 | wembly | is to grab a router |
| 19:53:06 | wembly | sig: if for no other resone then to get the rest of your systems on the net. |
| 19:53:16 | wembly | screw the Z for now. worry about that after you get a local lan |
| 19:53:33 | wembly | *sigh* |
| 19:53:38 | CloudChaser | guess he didn't like any of the answers |
| 19:53:40 | wembly | isnt shure what to make of sig... |
| 19:54:01 | CloudChaser | i have a question thouhg |
| 19:54:02 | Nadav | makes me sad, people who don't try ;) |
| 19:54:09 | wembly | sounded like a cross between the generic lazy luser and the poweruser |
| 19:54:17 | CloudChaser | hehe yeah |
| 19:54:24 | wembly | i have no problems with ether. |
| 19:54:31 | CloudChaser | ok if you plug dls into linux box with ethernet right? |
| 19:54:38 | CloudChaser | and all your pc's into hub |
| 19:54:47 | wembly | but he's trying to do poweruser stuffs. while thinking he's a luser :) |
| 19:54:51 | CloudChaser | don't you need to plug linux box into hub too? |
| 19:54:54 | wembly | wtf is dls? |
| 19:55:02 | CloudChaser | so sorry |
| 19:55:04 | CloudChaser | typo |
| 19:55:05 | CloudChaser | dsl |
| 19:55:07 | wembly | ahh |
| 19:55:10 | wembly | you have one hub |
| 19:55:15 | wembly | and you plug everything into that hub |
| 19:55:19 | wembly | its nasty |
| 19:55:19 | CloudChaser | yes |
| 19:55:26 | wembly | and a huge kludge :/ |
| 19:55:37 | CloudChaser | you said if he has linux he only needs one nic on that machine |
| 19:55:37 | wembly | along with sending all your private net traffic over the dsl line. |
| 19:55:49 | wembly | or atleast to the dsl modem. |
| 19:55:56 | wembly | your also sending it to all the other systems. |
| 19:56:00 | wembly | yes |
| 19:56:03 | CloudChaser | right but need 2nd nic to connect to hub |
| 19:56:07 | wembly | what you do is setup an alias on eth0 |
| 19:56:15 | wembly | no |
| 19:56:16 | wembly | only one |
| 19:56:26 | wembly | you have dsl modem linuxbox and workstation |
| 19:56:30 | wembly | all plugged into the one hub |
| 19:56:43 | CloudChaser | oh ok i misunderstood |
| 19:56:57 | CloudChaser | i thought you said dsl plugged into linuxbox |
| 19:57:02 | wembly | what happends is the linux box will listen for packets on the inet address and on the privlan address |
| 19:57:08 | wembly | ahh ok |
| 19:57:11 | CloudChaser | ok that makes sense now |
| 19:57:15 | wembly | so i dont need to explain anymore? |
| 19:57:25 | CloudChaser | hehe no |
| 19:57:28 | wembly | k :) |
| 19:57:31 | wembly | its nasty tho hehe |
| 19:57:38 | wembly | funny as hell when you get it working |
| 19:57:42 | wembly | cus its such a kludge |
| 19:57:48 | CloudChaser | for the money the linksys does the best |
| 19:57:49 | wembly | but nasty none the less |
| 19:57:53 | CloudChaser | less than 100.00 |
| 19:57:57 | CloudChaser | does nat and dhcp |
| 19:58:04 | CloudChaser | easy to set up |
| 19:58:07 | wembly | the wirelss linksys isnt half bad ether it looks like |
| 19:58:15 | wembly | my dad went with that one and such. |
| 19:58:15 | CloudChaser | i've heard that |
| 19:58:25 | CloudChaser | i have an aironet though so didn't need to try it |
| 19:58:32 | wembly | said 'here you know about computers and i have alot of work to do set it up' |
| 19:58:34 | wembly | so i set it up |
| 19:58:55 | wembly | and hard wired his pc to the 4 port hub on the linksys |
| 19:59:07 | wembly | and then plugged in the wireless lan cards for the rest of the house. |
| 19:59:19 | CloudChaser | i did thet same for my mom, she has cable...and her cable company provisions on mac addy |
| 19:59:28 | CloudChaser | cool ;) nice setup |
| 19:59:28 | wembly | funfun |
| 19:59:38 | CloudChaser | well the linksys allows mac addy cloning |
| 19:59:45 | wembly | 2 story house. comes in in the basement... |
| 19:59:59 | wembly | so it was cheaper then wireing the house for ethernet. |
| 20:00:05 | CloudChaser | so it was very easy...plug in mac addy of the assigned nic and it works like a charm |
| 20:00:09 | wembly | and he now loves wandering about the house with his laptop :) |
| 20:00:09 | CloudChaser | oh very much easier |
| 20:00:14 | CloudChaser | hehe me too |
| 20:00:24 | CloudChaser | now i just need to increase range of wireless |
| 20:00:28 | wembly | hehe |
| 20:00:32 | CloudChaser | my switch is in basement |
| 20:00:36 | CloudChaser | so is ap |
| 20:00:40 | wembly | *nods* |
| 20:00:42 | ljp_ | hey you couild even take your laptop into the shower now, too! |
| 20:00:44 | CloudChaser | i want access out on the patio |
| 20:00:47 | CloudChaser | ewww |
| 20:00:50 | wembly | hehe |
| 20:00:56 | wembly | haha |
| 20:00:59 | wembly | ljp: hahah |
| 20:01:00 | CloudChaser | thinks of the shock |
| 20:01:09 | wembly | ljp: cover your zaurus with a plastic bag and go into the shower. |
| 20:01:16 | CloudChaser | lol |
| 20:01:19 | wembly | ljp: with the wireless lan. |
| 20:01:20 | ljp_ | just get some spray on waterproofing |
| 20:01:22 | CloudChaser | that would be pitiful |
| 20:01:30 | wembly | ljp: gawd knows what youd do in the shower with it and a net connection tho :P |
| 20:01:40 | CloudChaser | don't even go there |
| 20:01:42 | ljp_ | check email of course |
| 20:01:48 | CloudChaser | lol |
| 20:01:53 | Nadav | haha |
| 20:01:58 | ljp_ | cant let it pile up! |
| 20:02:00 | CloudChaser | i don't want my email that badlly |
| 20:02:14 | CloudChaser | thats like having telephone in bathroom |
| 20:02:15 | CloudChaser | eww |
| 20:02:33 | CloudChaser | everyone can wait!!!!!! |
| 20:03:01 | wembly | cloudchaser: yes that always disturbed me |
| 20:03:14 | wembly | till one day i the fone was ringing and i really had to use the restroom. |
| 20:03:23 | wembly | and the fonecall was kinda importent too :/ |
| 20:03:28 | CloudChaser | hehe |
| 20:03:32 | wembly | nah |
| 20:03:47 | CloudChaser | haha one day i went to the restroom.. apparently my phone dialed out |
| 20:03:48 | wembly | but some people when they are useing the restroom finally take a moment to think things out |
| 20:04:01 | wembly | cus its a time when they have nothing todo.. well more speificly nothing they can do. |
| 20:04:02 | CloudChaser | all they could hear was whooosh |
| 20:04:04 | ljp_ | good thing it isn't smella-phone |
| 20:04:16 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 20:04:17 | Wembly | anyhow |
| 20:04:25 | CloudChaser | i get a call later.. "Thanks for flushing the toilet in my ear" |
| 20:04:34 | CloudChaser | luckily it was my husband and not my boss |
| 20:04:38 | Wembly | just plug a external speaker onto the Z and then go wander into the bathroom. |
| 20:04:49 | Wembly | streaming wireless inet music :) |
| 20:04:55 | W|GGL|T | hopefull they didnt hear anything else |
| 20:04:59 | W|GGL|T | lol Wembly |
| 20:05:01 | CloudChaser | hehe now that couldl be nice |
| 20:05:11 | CloudChaser | i saw an add for wireless speakers! |
| 20:05:16 | Wembly | hehe i think of all the coolie things |
| 20:05:18 | CloudChaser | wonder if they'd work on the z |
| 20:05:21 | ljp_ | hooks up his sound mixer to his Z and blares a few mp3's from time to time |
| 20:05:34 | Wembly | i wonder how well the Z does routing. |
| 20:05:45 | Wembly | plug in the wireless lan cf card and the usb craddle. |
| 20:05:48 | ljp_ | iptables isn't in the kernel |
| 20:05:52 | Wembly | drat |
| 20:06:04 | Wembly | err wait cant you load iptables as a module? |
| 20:06:24 | Wembly | tho pray to god you get the right crc tag at the end of the functions :) |
| 20:07:01 | numatrix | Wembly: I think kergoth was working on getting iptables as a module in the OZ rom. If it isn't in already. |
| 20:07:24 | Wembly | herm. |
| 20:08:00 | Wembly | i wonder if there is a binary file format that is very condensed. |
| 20:08:09 | Wembly | *ponders for awhile* |
| 20:08:24 | Wembly | i gotta remember to lookup the elf file spec sometime. |
| 20:08:44 | Wembly | does the zaurus have memory protection? |
| 20:08:54 | Wembly | aka can processes write into other processes memory space? |
| 20:09:00 | ljp_ | heh like old DOS mem? |
| 20:09:14 | Wembly | like any un protected mem :) |
| 20:10:31 | ljp_ | dont know.. thats kernel space stuff. |
| 20:10:49 | numatrix | what's the ipkg making script called? Not mkipkg, but the other one? |
| 20:11:09 | d4n | hi |
| 20:11:11 | numatrix | nm, found it |
| 20:11:14 | numatrix | hi d4n |
| 20:11:21 | d4n | can i get the tkc calender in german ???? |
| 20:11:59 | Com[Plex] | numatrix : |
| 20:12:07 | d4n | because there are other database links |
| 20:12:09 | Com[Plex] | yuo rang? |
| 20:12:10 | Wembly | herm. |
| 20:12:19 | Wembly | how does the file transfer app in intellisync work? |
| 20:12:33 | d4n | is a german here ??? plz query me ! :) |
| 20:12:33 | Wembly | aka where does it put the files? |
| 20:12:44 | ljp_ | build-ipkg |
| 20:13:33 | numatrix | Wembly: it dumps them in the 'appropriate' directory in /home/root/Documents |
| 20:14:07 | numatrix | thanks, ljp_ I found it. I actually stole someone else's called ipkg-build |
| 20:14:13 | Wembly | num: how's it fine out what that dir is? |
| 20:15:28 | d4n | no german here?? i have a question ???? |
| 20:16:12 | numatrix | nine sprechen zie deutsch. I don't even want to know how horribly that's spelled... |
| 20:17:18 | _Genius_ | does anyone has a step-by-step guide for installing a compactflash wireless-card ?? |
| 20:17:30 | CloudChaser | i just put mine in and it worked |
| 20:17:36 | CloudChaser | added new lan con |
| 20:17:43 | ljp_ | d4n: there may be german speakers in #opie.de, but may not be active |
| 20:18:19 | _Genius_ | CloudChaser: mine isnt working ... ifconfig -a doesnt list the new network-device |
| 20:18:20 | tboc | ljp_: at least one of em is active ;) |
| 20:18:37 | CloudChaser | what kind genius? |
| 20:19:09 | _Genius_ | CloudChaser: its a 1stwave-card ... prism2 chipset |
| 20:19:23 | CloudChaser | haven't heard of that one |
| 20:19:35 | CloudChaser | you hvae dhcp working on your net? |
| 20:20:39 | _Genius_ | CloudChaser: no , fixed ips .. but i need to get the card recognized as a networkdevice first |
| 20:21:00 | _Genius_ | CloudChaser: do you know any faq-sites for the zaurus ? |
| 20:21:28 | | i guess faq is at http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/zaurus-faq/ or at http://www.handhelds.org/handhelds-faq/handhelds-faq.html or at http://adorphuye.com/zaurus/java/faq.jsp |
| 20:21:28 | ljp_ | ibot: faq |
| 20:21:47 | George- | ok, in OZ, can I use the kernel that allocates all system RAM to proper system RAM, and therefore have no ramdisk, and use my CF card as a root partition? |
| 20:22:28 | ljp_ | probably |
| 20:23:05 | Wembly | george: most likely |
| 20:23:15 | Wembly | george: iv seen something about that actually |
| 20:23:25 | Wembly | dunno if it was with OZ or not tho |
| 20:23:35 | Wembly | herm. |
| 20:23:45 | Wembly | mediaplayer seems to have sync issues :/ |
| 20:24:08 | CloudChaser | Genius: not sure exactly what you've done so far, but is your card supported on the z? |
| 20:24:43 | CloudChaser | and are you using sharp rom or oz? |
| 20:25:03 | _Genius_ | CloudChaser: i have to admit that i got the card to work on the zaurus already ... but now i updated my rom and forgot how i got the card to work :( |
| 20:25:19 | George- | I haven't seen my Z yet, I see it on Sunday - I'm at boarding school, and it's arrived at my home... |
| 20:26:03 | CloudChaser | hehe ok.. well it will come to you i'm sure |
| 20:27:10 | George- | bah, I've waited so long :) |
| 20:27:34 | CloudChaser | i meant it would come to genius what he did before :) |
| 20:27:41 | CloudChaser | but sunday isn't so far off |
| 20:27:50 | George- | ok, damn :) |
| 20:28:59 | CloudChaser | did zaurus zone dump our logins? do we have to re-register? |
| 20:29:42 | ljp_ | no, its just not all there yet |
| 20:29:55 | CloudChaser | i had registered on new one |
| 20:30:01 | CloudChaser | now i can't get in |
| 20:30:03 | George- | So, I _can_ boot off the Z with a CF? |
| 20:30:25 | George- | because, I have a 160MB CF, and I dun wanna spend money on SD cards :) |
| 20:30:51 | _Genius_ | CloudChaser: got it to work now ... doh ... thanks |
| 20:31:05 | CloudChaser | what was wrong? |
| 20:31:43 | Wembly | *whince* |
| 20:31:55 | CloudChaser | s'matter wembly? |
| 20:32:09 | Wembly | was gonna look at the debian arm distro. |
| 20:32:15 | Wembly | and read the bottom about the dedication. |
| 20:33:43 | Com[Plex] | hey moo |
| 20:33:48 | Com[Plex] | im playing zork on myn z :> |
| 20:33:50 | Wembly | the coordinater for the debian arm distro died in a car accident :/ |
| 20:33:50 | Com[Plex] | UNF |
| 20:33:52 | _Genius_ | CloudChaser: stupid ... edited the /etc/pcmcia/wlan-ng.conf file with the buildin texteditor .. when you save the editor appends *.txt to the filename :) |
| 20:34:02 | Com[Plex] | im helping the guy who made it write an installer for it :>' |
| 20:34:04 | Com[Plex] | hah |
| 20:34:04 | Wembly | im guessing the news is fairly old. |
| 20:34:12 | Com[Plex] | wrong windopw |
| 20:34:13 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 20:34:17 | CloudChaser | hehe is it fun? |
| 20:34:29 | CloudChaser | oh wembly that's sad :( |
| 20:35:21 | Wembly | herm. |
| 20:35:30 | Wembly | i wonder if there will be a nntp news reader/cacher |
| 20:35:53 | Com[Plex] | hey numatrix: msg |
| 20:38:38 | Com[Plex] | anyone wants hitchikers guide to the galaxy, http://www.256k.net/books/hhg2tg/ |
| 20:40:16 | CloudChaser | i had to re-register on zz |
| 20:40:18 | _Genius_ | is iwconfig ported to the zaurus ? |
| 20:40:53 | Wembly | whats iwconfig? |
| 20:41:08 | [DrEvil] | iwconfig is in OZ |
| 20:41:40 | _Genius_ | Wembly: wireless config-tool |
| 20:41:40 | Wembly | what is it tho? |
| 20:41:43 | Wembly | ahh |
| 20:41:58 | _Genius_ | [DrEvil]: but not available seperatly ? |
| 20:42:41 | [DrEvil] | it might already be a package |
| 20:42:49 | [DrEvil] | check the OZ feed |
| 20:43:03 | [DrEvil] | might cause probs with the Sharp rom |
| 20:43:07 | _Genius_ | [DrEvil]: cool ... found them on ipkgfind.handhelds.org |
| 20:53:20 | extremis | Are there any apps that will allow you to store and select multiple SSIDs? |
| 20:53:35 | extremis | so that you don't have to manually change each time you roam |
| 20:53:45 | extremis | maybe one that looks for ssid broadcasts too |
| 20:53:47 | extremis | :) |
| 21:03:11 | ljp_ | heh linuiso.org offers netbsd... I never knew they switched netbsd to linux... heh |
| 21:04:56 | warmi | yeah .. still they have like 10 000 different Linux distros there |
| 21:05:43 | ljp_ | but not lindows.. or linuxone !! |
| 21:05:45 | warmi | ljp: are you familiar with free BSD ? |
| 21:05:52 | ljp_ | yes |
| 21:05:53 | warmi | linuxone ? |
| 21:06:15 | ljp_ | warmi: go to /. and do a search for linuxone |
| 21:06:23 | warmi | is it even out ? |
| 21:06:28 | ljp_ | hehehe no |
| 21:06:32 | warmi | I know what it is just I don't think there is one yet |
| 21:06:33 | warmi | heeh |
| 21:06:44 | warmi | I actually might switch to it |
| 21:06:46 | warmi | from RH |
| 21:06:48 | ljp_ | actually, there was one at one time |
| 21:06:59 | ljp_ | linuxone? |
| 21:07:14 | warmi | I think I might switch to Linuxone |
| 21:07:26 | warmi | it uses RPMs .. etc .. stuff I am familiar with |
| 21:07:48 | ljp_ | go with mandrake |
| 21:08:12 | KhensU | it's the same ;) |
| 21:08:18 | warmi | nah .. they are too ahead of the pack |
| 21:08:24 | ljp_ | no no no its not.. |
| 21:08:29 | warmi | I had bad experience with mandrake |
| 21:08:42 | KhensU | different letters! |
| 21:08:56 | warmi | is mandrake going to join linuxone ? |
| 21:09:02 | ljp_ | no there's more than that, mandrake blows rh away |
| 21:09:26 | ljp_ | warmi: your thinking of united linux? |
| 21:09:36 | warmi | yeah , |
| 21:09:42 | warmi | huh |
| 21:09:51 | ljp_ | cause linuxone was a scam |
| 21:09:51 | warmi | hehe |
| 21:10:24 | warmi | heeh |
| 21:10:26 | warmi | oh well |
| 21:10:39 | KhensU | linuxone was an old mandrake with some strings changed |
| 21:10:40 | warmi | was it that Korean dude with nothing but a web site ? |
| 21:10:52 | ljp_ | no it was redhat with strings changed |
| 21:11:00 | KhensU | ah ok |
| 21:11:08 | KhensU | been awhile now |
| 21:11:18 | ljp_ | mandrake USED to be redhat with strings changed |
| 21:11:30 | warmi | still is |
| 21:11:34 | ljp_ | no.. |
| 21:11:43 | warmi | they even had redhar-release file in /etc |
| 21:11:44 | warmi | hjehe |
| 21:12:04 | ljp_ | its different. redhat still compiles for i386.. and mandrake does i586, and has a better install |
| 21:12:40 | warmi | you got to be kidding me |
| 21:12:50 | warmi | latest rh still uses i386 ? |
| 21:12:58 | ljp_ | sure |
| 21:13:00 | warmi | man , even MS is beyond that |
| 21:13:13 | warmi | lol |
| 21:13:35 | warmi | on the other hand , there are people who still run RH on some old 486s etc DNS servers etc |
| 21:13:45 | ljp_ | maybe its 486.. one of those |
| 21:14:00 | warmi | but then again, do you want to support this kind of niche market at such cost ? |
| 21:14:08 | ljp_ | at any rate, its optimized differently |
| 21:14:34 | warmi | I remember of the distros (madrake?) use to have everything compiled with that pgcc compiler |
| 21:14:42 | warmi | supposedly pentium optimized gcc |
| 21:15:00 | ljp_ | hmmm |
| 21:15:02 | warmi | (one of the distros) |
| 21:15:18 | warmi | ljp: have you heard about pgcc at all ? |
| 21:15:28 | allegra_ | hi everybody |
| 21:15:32 | warmi | hi |
| 21:15:50 | ljp_ | " Stampede was the first GNU/Linux distribution built entirely with PGCC *" |
| 21:15:56 | ljp_ | I have now |
| 21:16:07 | warmi | oh so it was stampede |
| 21:16:14 | warmi | is it still around ? |
| 21:16:20 | allegra_ | are you guys discussing something specific or can i chip in with a question? |
| 21:16:27 | KhensU | nope |
| 21:16:54 | allegra_ | nope - like nothing specific or nope - like cannot chip in a q? :) |
| 21:17:24 | allegra_ | ok |
| 21:17:27 | warmi | you can ask |
| 21:17:34 | KhensU | allegra_: go ahead |
| 21:17:44 | warmi | but chances are nobody will have a clue anyway |
| 21:17:45 | warmi | hehee |
| 21:17:53 | allegra_ | does anyone figure out how to get a socket wireless card going on a Z |
| 21:18:19 | warmi | I don't have wireless but some folks on this channel do |
| 21:18:22 | warmi | any takers ? |
| 21:19:14 | CloudChaser | i can't help .. that one's tricky |
| 21:19:14 | CloudChaser | don't think wep works on it though |
| 21:19:14 | CloudChaser | somewhere there's a driver for it i believe |
| 21:19:14 | allegra_ | yeah - read that - at this time i could work without wep |
| 21:19:14 | allegra_ | found the driver and installed it |
| 21:19:15 | ljp_ | wireless?? isn't that kinda like magic ? |
| 21:19:21 | allegra_ | :) |
| 21:19:38 | allegra_ | the prob is that the card is blinking but i cannot get it to connect to the access point |
| 21:19:50 | ljp_ | I dont have wireless, either.. |
| 21:20:25 | ljp_ | if JasonNJ was here, he might be able to help you.. or kergoth |
| 21:20:26 | CloudChaser | did you do wireless set up ie. essid and also set up lan con for it? |
| 21:20:53 | allegra_ | nope - only installed the drivers |
| 21:21:02 | ljp_ | the only thing I have done wirelessly is beam a file to my brothers pocketpc |
| 21:21:04 | CloudChaser | ok go to wireless lan set up |
| 21:21:26 | allegra_ | ah - ok - sorry - did that but no luck |
| 21:21:30 | CloudChaser | its on the settings..wireless lan setting |
| 21:21:32 | CloudChaser | ok |
| 21:21:42 | CloudChaser | also network and sync app |
| 21:21:44 | CloudChaser | open that |
| 21:22:01 | CloudChaser | on services tab |
| 21:22:21 | CloudChaser | add Lan - tcp/ip |
| 21:22:34 | allegra_ | ah - that is emberassing - deleted the network setup there before i installed the card - aakkk - stupid |
| 21:22:42 | warmi | ok .. I am gonna watch Harry Potter movie .. |
| 21:22:43 | CloudChaser | :) |
| 21:22:44 | warmi | :-) |
| 21:23:15 | allegra_ | ok cloud chaser - am setting it up again - back in a min |
| 21:23:58 | CloudChaser | k |
| 21:25:23 | allegra_ | hmm - seems that the dhcp isn't working - will try the manual setup |
| 21:25:52 | CloudChaser | might have to restart z |
| 21:26:00 | CloudChaser | sometimes i do.. sometimes not |
| 21:26:15 | ljp_ | cloud: you have wireless? |
| 21:26:18 | allegra_ | k |
| 21:26:23 | CloudChaser | yes |
| 21:26:36 | allegra_ | do you know what the broadcast address is - 255.255.255.255 ? |
| 21:26:47 | ljp_ | wireless is like... magic |
| 21:27:03 | CloudChaser | broadcast address depends on your subnet mask |
| 21:27:24 | allegra_ | k - then i guess it's 192.168.1.000 or 192.168.1.255 |
| 21:27:33 | allegra_ | the 192.168.1.x is my subnet |
| 21:27:50 | CloudChaser | .255 is your broadcast address if you use 255.255.255.0 as a mask |
| 21:27:57 | CloudChaser | .0 is network |
| 21:28:05 | allegra_ | ok - thanx |
| 21:28:34 | CloudChaser | how are you doing dhcp and nat? |
| 21:29:00 | allegra_ | yes - though sometimes i am having trouble with my dhcp server |
| 21:29:19 | CloudChaser | ok you have dhcp server.. what kind of internet access? |
| 21:29:28 | allegra_ | a dsl line |
| 21:29:45 | CloudChaser | do you have linksys router or the like? |
| 21:29:55 | allegra_ | actually - a 3com |
| 21:30:08 | CloudChaser | ok is that doing the nat/pat? |
| 21:31:41 | allegra_ | yeah |
| 21:31:57 | allegra_ | uh - sorry - no |
| 21:32:02 | allegra_ | was resetting the Z |
| 21:32:10 | allegra_ | i have the 3com wireless ap |
| 21:32:15 | CloudChaser | ok |
| 21:32:23 | allegra_ | that is connected to my dsl router |
| 21:32:30 | allegra_ | the router is doing the nat and dhcp |
| 21:32:38 | allegra_ | the access point is transparent |
| 21:32:50 | CloudChaser | ok gotcha ;) |
| 21:33:21 | allegra_ | and isn't doing too much beside (supposedly) connect to the wireless cards ;) |
| 21:34:22 | Com[Plex] | wtf |
| 21:34:40 | Com[Plex] | where can I go to see what the error mesage was from an install that ipkg said didnt work? |
| 21:34:41 | allegra_ | sigh - still no luck |
| 21:34:52 | Com[Plex] | wheres that log file? |
| 21:35:20 | Com[Plex] | anyne? |
| 21:35:32 | CloudChaser | don't know that Com[Plex] |
| 21:35:40 | allegra_ | restarted and sorry |
| 21:35:48 | allegra_ | sorry - don't know that |
| 21:36:21 | CloudChaser | what address did you use as gateway? |
| 21:36:55 | allegra_ | cloud chaser - didn't work unfortunately - have and ip address now but cannot point the router |
| 21:37:07 | allegra_ | the gateway is the ip address of my router |
| 21:37:12 | CloudChaser | ok |
| 21:37:27 | allegra_ | cannot ping the router though |
| 21:37:34 | allegra_ | can ping my own ip address at least |
| 21:37:38 | CloudChaser | i guess someone might give some idea how to tell if the z recognizes the card |
| 21:38:33 | allegra_ | i do have an entry of eth0 in the network settings - and now i have the ip address there |
| 21:38:47 | allegra_ | as the card is blinking - i think that part should actually work |
| 21:38:57 | allegra_ | hmmm |
| 21:41:31 | CloudChaser | just a little hint: don't just pull ot your cf cards...use the "remove card" from the bottom bar |
| 21:42:07 | BZFlag | another hint, don't install anything with a plugin to a CF or SD card like jabber or screenshot. |
| 21:42:09 | allegra_ | thanx - yeah |
| 21:42:28 | allegra_ | ok - didn't |
| 21:42:36 | CloudChaser | oh i thought jabber could go on cf card |
| 21:42:57 | BZFlag | jabber can, but the plugin cannot. you would need to clean it up by hand |
| 21:43:05 | CloudChaser | plug in? |
| 21:43:13 | BZFlag | on the taskbar. |
| 21:43:16 | CloudChaser | (i do have it in ram) |
| 21:43:19 | CloudChaser | ah oki |
| 21:43:28 | CloudChaser | think jabber server is down |
| 21:43:34 | allegra_ | the thekompany stuff i think is what he meant |
| 21:43:50 | allegra_ | i heard this earlier - yeah |
| 21:44:02 | BZFlag | the flower on the taskbar is a .so that loads with qpe. if it's on SD or CF then it locks the filesystem and suspend/resume will cause filesystem corruption. |
| 21:44:06 | allegra_ | but as i havent got my wireless card running - i wouldn't know :) |
| 21:44:19 | BZFlag | ah yeah, I meant tkcJabber. |
| 21:44:23 | CloudChaser | if you can allegra do some searches |
| 21:44:29 | CloudChaser | and i knew you meant tkc |
| 21:44:41 | CloudChaser | i have it in ram cause i have no sd card yet |
| 21:44:47 | CloudChaser | probly leave it there |
| 21:44:48 | allegra_ | did do searches for about the last 5 hours |
| 21:44:49 | | ljp was last seen on #opie 2 hours, 1 minutes and 45 seconds ago, saying: bbl [Fri Jun 14 20:43:04 2002] |
| 21:44:49 | BZFlag | ibot: seen ljp |
| 21:44:56 | CloudChaser | and move less used stuff to sd |
| 21:45:30 | BZFlag | anyone know how to recover an SD card that someone tried (and failed) to repartition? |
| 21:45:45 | allegra_ | uh - sorry :( |
| 21:46:01 | narrowmind | sup |
| 21:46:09 | CloudChaser | hehe same here. i don't have one and the one i was planning to buy seems to have some major problems this last week or so |
| 21:46:17 | CloudChaser | hiya narrowmind |
| 21:46:19 | BZFlag | I've tried all kinds of things to get a sandisk 128M card back to working, but no luck. |
| 21:46:23 | CloudChaser | thats the one |
| 21:46:28 | CloudChaser | they used to work fine |
| 21:46:32 | narrowmind | restore the orignal partion table ... keeping the oringal types |
| 21:46:33 | CloudChaser | now people complaining right and left |
| 21:46:42 | narrowmind | depends on how bad they failed.. |
| 21:46:52 | narrowmind | CloudChaser.. |
| 21:46:58 | CloudChaser | yes? |
| 21:47:01 | BZFlag | narrowmind: can't write to it at present. (yes, the write protect is off) |
| 21:47:05 | narrowmind | washt that the name of the boat from that online game about AI |
| 21:47:10 | narrowmind | damn that movie sucked |
| 21:47:25 | CloudChaser | never saw it.. don't know |
| 21:47:28 | BZFlag | tried on the Z, on an ipaq, on win* with some usb tools, etc. no luck. |
| 21:47:31 | narrowmind | hm. |
| 21:47:32 | CloudChaser | its a name i've used for years :) |
| 21:47:37 | CloudChaser | i'm a daydreamer :) |
| 21:47:46 | BZFlag | they all see it as a 128M card, but no filesystem and I can't create a partition table. |
| 21:47:53 | narrowmind | well dont be supprised if people asscocaite you with the online AI game.. |
| 21:48:01 | narrowmind | the game was hella cooll.. |
| 21:48:06 | narrowmind | just the movie sucked. |
| 21:48:31 | narrowmind | bZ: sound slike your sol |
| 21:48:45 | narrowmind | bz: do you just want a usable card?.. or the data from it ? |
| 21:49:00 | BZFlag | narrowmind: yep. just want to get the card back to usable. |
| 21:49:09 | narrowmind | where do you live ? |
| 21:49:15 | alexw | hi all, has anyone (in general, not just y'all here) dismantled their unit & put up pictures of the zaurus internals yet? |
| 21:49:16 | BZFlag | if i can find a way, I'll add it to the Z driver. |
| 21:49:26 | | you are probably TimRiker or a 3D internet multiplayer multiplatform (linux, irix, win32, etc) opensource opengl Battlezone capture the flag game that you must try at http://BZFlag.org/ debian arm linux contains a version that will run on the ipaq at like 6 fps or CTO of Embedix |
| 21:49:26 | BZFlag | ibot: bzflag |
| 21:49:41 | BZFlag | narrowmind: us. Utah. |
| 21:49:59 | narrowmind | BZFlag : ok.. this is what you do.. go to Frys.. but another mmc card.. one that looks like the one you busted.. try to get a similar size. |
| 21:50:09 | narrowmind | BZFlag : then return the broken card ... |
| 21:50:29 | BZFlag | narrowmind: I have plenty of other cards. the point is to fix the Zaurus kernel so it no longer kills cards. |
| 21:50:29 | narrowmind | BZFlag : and whamo you get a working card.. and the company gets back their defective produce |
| 21:50:36 | treke|laptop | narrowmind : if its fries, theres no reason to buy a new one. You can return the old one regardless of where you got it :) |
| 21:50:47 | narrowmind | BZFlag : I doubt it a kernel problem |
| 21:51:10 | treke|laptop | narrowmind : Just bitch at the return guy and he'll eventually take it back. Ive done that with items they dont even sell :) |
| 21:51:25 | BZFlag | narrowmind: the card worked fine in an ipaq while testing. it did not croak till used in the Z. and other cards have also croaked in the Z. |
| 21:51:46 | narrowmind | treke|laptop : not always.. the usally give you like a 1month instore return.. after that you take your chances mailing it back to the company |
| 21:52:22 | CloudChaser | that is very bad |
| 21:52:24 | narrowmind | what fs did you have on these things ? |
| 21:52:27 | treke|laptop | narrowmind : Well we must have much more gullible frys employees in southern califorina :) |
| 21:52:40 | narrowmind | heh |
| 21:52:50 | narrowmind | the norcal ones are on to us.. |
| 21:52:58 | narrowmind | they have been around alot longer |
| 21:53:09 | BZFlag | narrowmind: this test was just with fat as factory partitioned. |
| 21:53:10 | treke|laptop | the ones down here are stupid to ever learn |
| 21:53:15 | narrowmind | also helps when you *lost* the receipt |
| 21:53:22 | narrowmind | hm. |
| 21:53:33 | narrowmind | I dont use fat.. |
| 21:55:48 | BZFlag | narrowmind: I just did not want to have repartitioning be a possible cause this time around. I normally use ext2 on my sd/mmc cards. |
| 21:56:04 | narrowmind | hm. |
| 21:56:08 | narrowmind | so fdisk failes? |
| 21:56:33 | BZFlag | yes. on win* or the Z. |
| 21:56:42 | narrowmind | hm. |
| 21:56:54 | narrowmind | are the contacts jacked? |
| 21:57:29 | BZFlag | nope. card is like new on the outside. |
| 21:57:53 | narrowmind | and how did you get this damage ? |
| 21:59:05 | narrowmind | this isnt a case where the win* was using the SD stuff.. while the Z only really supports the old mmc |
| 22:00:35 | BZFlag | no. I put stuff on in in win* and was able to read it on the Z but after suspend/resume a number of times, the fs was lost. |
| 22:00:49 | narrowmind | hm. |
| 22:01:14 | narrowmind | have these card got a lot of use? |
| 22:01:17 | narrowmind | I mean a lot? |
| 22:01:55 | narrowmind | You only get so many writes to the flash.. and then its dead.. the suspend prolly fsync'ed.. which caused writed.. |
| 22:02:20 | narrowmind | er writes.. while those should not corrupt the fs.. it may be you hit the EOL of the flash |
| 22:02:49 | alexw | [apologies if this is now noise] does anyone know of a website with pictures of the Zaurus's internals? |
| 22:02:54 | tboc | narrowmind: last thing i heard was that the MTBF is ~ 1mio cycles (AMD) |
| 22:03:44 | narrowmind | I forget what it is.. but I had friend that was working on a webappliance at Be (Be fore the palm buyout).. and he said they were running through flash like it was going out of style |
| 22:03:45 | tboc | narrowmind: but the flash should do 100.000 cycles before failing |
| 22:03:55 | BZFlag | narrowmind: no. I strongly suspect a driver issue, I was just looking for folks that had any luck recovering cards. |
| 22:03:59 | CloudChaser | how long is that tboc? |
| 22:04:07 | narrowmind | they endup writing a new filesystem just for the flash project |
| 22:04:20 | CloudChaser | hate to spend good money for just a couple months use |
| 22:04:37 | narrowmind | assume the flash is totaly hosed.. |
| 22:04:43 | tboc | CloudChaser: not enough for putting swapfiles on flash - but for anything else i think it's enough |
| 22:04:48 | narrowmind | you should still be able to fdisk and format it. |
| 22:04:59 | narrowmind | If the Z has a busted driver.. then it should work in your windows boxen |
| 22:05:08 | narrowmind | assuming they know how to fdisk a flash |
| 22:05:55 | narrowmind | I meant what if you got a flash that didnt have a partion table or filesystem.. like from a camera that didnt use fat.. but its own wonky fs-like data format |
| 22:06:09 | narrowmind | it would appear to be random data.. and how worse can you card be then random data |
| 22:19:06 | LarryGarfield | Anyone know of a good public jabber server? I'm giving up on TheKompany's. |
| 22:21:06 | mark | jabber.org? |
| 22:21:36 | LarryGarfield | What's the full name for that one? |
| 22:23:08 | alexw | LarryGarfield: have a look at www.jabberview.com for a list of servers, but jabber.org is alright. jabber.earth.li is good for transports |
| 22:23:29 | LarryGarfield | I just want to get tkcJabber working long enough to get some scree nshots. :-) |
| 22:24:11 | alexw | LarryGarfield: jabber.org should be nice and simple then :) |
| 22:25:25 | LarryGarfield | hm, it's not connecting, but it's not looping like with tkc's server. I wish this thing gave decent error messages. ;-) |
| 22:26:23 | alexw | LarryGarfield: jabberview has the most complete list I know of, but jabber.com, or jabber.org should work |
| 22:27:24 | LarryGarfield | ah, now I'm on. I think. |
| 22:28:07 | LarryGarfield | but can't connect to IRC. |
| 22:28:37 | alexw | what is the jid your using, you're welcome to msg me on jabber://moreati@jabber.org for testing |
| 22:29:28 | LarryGarfield | LarryGarfield See if you can msg me. |
| 22:29:51 | allegra_ | hi again folks - it's getting time for me to got to bed I guess :) - did anyone come online in the meantime that got a socket wirless card to run with the Z? |
| 22:30:05 | LarryGarfield | has the Symbol WiFi card, which is the socket. |
| 22:30:37 | allegra_ | cool larry - would you have time to help me out with some problems? |
| 22:31:08 | LarryGarfield | Possibly, what's broken? |
| 22:32:06 | allegra_ | i never get it to work - i installed the socket drivers, the card is blinking and i was able to define (manually) the ip address etc - the problem is that i cannot get it connected to the access point (wep is off) |
| 22:32:21 | LarryGarfield | hm. Do you have control over the AP? |
| 22:32:30 | allegra_ | yes |
| 22:33:19 | LarryGarfield | Is it a combo unit, vis, can it do DHCP? |
| 22:34:14 | allegra_ | it can but i don't use it for that - i have a dsl line with a dsl router that is doing nat and dhcp - the access point is a 3com that could do it as well but i don't use it - it is transparent for the computers |
| 22:35:24 | LarryGarfield | hm. (I have a Linksys do-everything AP, and my WiFi gets its DHCP from the AP.) |
| 22:35:43 | Dilbert- | hi |
| 22:35:51 | LarryGarfield | Hi, Dilbert- |
| 22:36:04 | allegra_ | the problem isn't as much that i don't get the dhcp as the card never connects to the access point |
| 22:36:16 | allegra_ | hi dilbert |
| 22:36:41 | LarryGarfield | Can you ping it? |
| 22:37:00 | mark | ljp: is there any reason knights needs to be full screen? |
| 22:37:39 | allegra_ | no - cannot ping it - the only machine that i can ping is the z itself - using the localhost as well as the assigned ip |
| 22:37:56 | allegra_ | i can ping nothing on the network as the card doesn't connect to the ap |
| 22:38:42 | LarryGarfield | No, I mean from some other system can you ping the Z. |
| 22:39:11 | allegra_ | yes - no problem - i have other computers connected to it |
| 22:40:34 | allegra_ | i also don't see the socket card as a wireless client in the settings of the ap - this means that it never sucessfully connected |
| 22:41:09 | LarryGarfield | Wait, so from your PC you can ping the Z, but from the Z you can't ping the PC? |
| 22:41:47 | allegra_ | correct - i don't have a problem connecting to the ap from my PCs but cannot connect to it with the Z |
| 22:42:01 | allegra_ | and as i cannot get a connection - i cannot ping anything |
| 22:42:32 | LarryGarfield | No no no. I don't mean can you connect to the AP with the PC. Once you've assigned the PC an IP and the Z an IP, can you ping the Z from the PC? |
| 22:42:46 | allegra_ | hold on |
| 22:43:05 | allegra_ | nope |
| 22:43:43 | LarryGarfield | ok. <ponders. |
| 22:44:10 | LarryGarfield | In the network control panel, it's set to the right ESSID? |
| 22:44:16 | LarryGarfield | erm, the wireless lan setting? |
| 22:44:52 | allegra_ | yes - the same that the PC has - and the setting is on infrastructure |
| 22:45:22 | LarryGarfield | <ponders> |
| 22:45:32 | LarryGarfield | Have you tried the card in any other devices to make sure it's not a hardware issue? |
| 22:46:12 | NetAmp | hrm ok guys, best of luck with that problem, i'm hittin' the sack, callin' it a day, whotevva; bbl |
| 22:46:49 | allegra_ | nope - didn't do that but don't know if i will have luck as i don't have win xp drivers with the card |
| 22:47:38 | allegra_ | i could try that but then i would have to disconnect from irc :) |
| 22:50:05 | LarryGarfield | You can download them I'm sure. |
| 22:50:13 | Nadav | is back |
| 22:50:24 | allegra_ | yeah - i guess i try this tomorrow |
| 22:50:47 | allegra_ | so - basically - what you did is install the drivers and pop in the card? |
| 22:51:40 | LarryGarfield | Yeah, that's about it. |
| 22:51:57 | allegra_ | hmm - good for you - sucks for me :) |
| 22:52:13 | LarryGarfield | WEP doesn't work yet, but otherwise I just installed the drivers, put the card in, setup a profile in Network for DHCP (from my AP), and it worked. |
| 22:52:20 | LarryGarfield | Well, I did have to restart the Z, but then it worked. |
| 22:54:04 | allegra_ | tried this don't know how many times - maybe i screwed up something earlier - guess i could try to install the new rom and try again with a clean installation |
| 22:55:34 | LarryGarfield | Possibly. I've done that several times now. :-) |
| 22:55:53 | allegra_ | :) |
| 22:56:15 | allegra_ | ok - it's getting late here - i guess i sign off |
| 22:56:30 | LarryGarfield | good luck. |
| 22:56:36 | allegra_ | thanks a lot larry and have a good evening |
| 22:56:54 | allegra_ | bye |
| 23:10:51 | ljp | anybody heard of vercel's pda? |
| 23:11:55 | catalin | yup, just a little bit |
| 23:12:37 | ljp | ahh http://www.cesweb.org/awards/inn_images/685/vercelm1.jpg |
| 23:13:17 | catalin | they've got some interesting UI ideas for QPE |
| 23:13:49 | catalin | ha! the device looks as alien as their UI :) |
| 23:13:51 | ljp | hmm can't really tell that much from their web site |
| 23:14:00 | LarryGarfield | bizarre |
| 23:15:47 | ljp | there web site's all flash |
| 23:15:53 | ljp | and no substance |
| 23:15:55 | ljp | heh |
| 23:16:27 | LarryGarfield | has to go pack. Bye |
| 23:16:34 | catalin | yup, they seem to have hired a flash freak. I got an UI demo made in flash for evaluation |
| 23:17:47 | ljp | hahaha |
| 23:17:47 | occ | flash is annoyingly slow for some things, ive found |
| 23:17:54 | occ | like, entering text in a text box, heh |
| 23:18:25 | catalin | agree. I hate flash and avoid site that are using it |
| 23:18:43 | occ | im using it right now to make a little applet, so to speak |
| 23:18:45 | catalin | however, it's the best tool for an gfx artist to demo animations |
| 23:18:59 | occ | but there are some areas where its surprisingly slow |
| 23:19:07 | ljp | I dont mind a little flash.. but when the whole site uses flash, and doesn't give you a choice.. |
| 23:19:08 | occ | and i think its because they use vectors for some things where theres no advantage |
| 23:19:50 | occ | like rendering any large amount of text |
| 23:20:02 | occ | and doing things like "cursors" in flash...holy crap, why even bother? |
| 23:20:29 | catalin | IMO flash on the web is used by the same guys who were using the <blink> tag in the past :) |
| 23:20:37 | ljp | haha |
| 23:20:58 | occ | heh |
| 23:21:03 | occ | the most hated of all tags! |
| 23:21:15 | LarryGarfield | I'm back. :-) |
| 23:22:10 | LarryGarfield | The finalists in the contest, what do they all do? I'm not familiar with all of them. :-) |
| 23:22:52 | LarryGarfield | What exactly is KOrganizer, of Trolltech contest fame? |
| 23:23:11 | ljp | its a port of kde's pim |
| 23:23:31 | | the finalists in the contest are envying thekompany for winning the grand prize |
| 23:23:31 | catalin | ibot: the finalists in the contest |
| 23:23:52 | ljp | geeezzz |
| 23:24:02 | catalin | lol |
| 23:24:23 | LarryGarfield | lol |
| 23:24:24 | catalin | well, I'm one of them |
| 23:24:44 | ljp | finalists? envying? or tkc? |
| 23:24:46 | LarryGarfield | and taskman? |
| 23:24:55 | catalin | all three |
| 23:24:58 | ljp | hehe |
| 23:25:04 | sig | what is IrDA - PPP ?? |
| 23:25:08 | LarryGarfield | Move sig! |
| 23:25:15 | LarryGarfield | thwaps himself |
| 23:25:20 | ljp | well, my submission ipkg was borked |
| 23:25:38 | ljp | grumbles |
| 23:25:42 | catalin | well, my entry was disqualified |
| 23:25:47 | ljp | why? |
| 23:25:50 | sig | can someone help me with a small problem here? |
| 23:25:52 | LarryGarfield | What exactly does taskman do? |
| 23:25:52 | ljp | too good? |
| 23:25:57 | sig | eth0 shows up in my z |
| 23:25:59 | LarryGarfield | has to finish this article then go pack. :-) |
| 23:26:04 | catalin | lol, no, programmer too stupid |
| 23:26:08 | sig | so does that mean that the cf networkcard is working? |
| 23:26:37 | ljp | that means the it's seen.. do you have terminal installed? |
| 23:26:46 | sig | yea |
| 23:26:53 | ljp | do ifconfig -a |
| 23:26:53 | alexw | sig: probably yes, have you tried pinging the network? |
| 23:26:55 | sig | thats how i saw it |
| 23:27:18 | sig | alexw: i don't even know if I've set ipmasQ up on this box right |
| 23:27:34 | sig | i can't reach the network and the network can't reach the z |
| 23:28:04 | ljp | LarryGarfield: article on the contest winners? |
| 23:28:31 | alexw | sig: have you tried it without IP Masq? Ie just straight through the cf card. |
| 23:29:06 | LarryGarfield | ljp: Yep. Just sent it in to my editor. |
| 23:29:19 | sig | ljp: i did ping -a and it says this: BusyBox v.52 (2001.08.30-07:09+0000) multi-call binary usage: ping [OPTION]... host |
| 23:29:37 | sig | alexw: can't i have dsl/pppoe |
| 23:29:45 | LarryGarfield | ok, that's done. Now I must go pack. |
| 23:29:58 | LarryGarfield | later, folks |
| 23:31:01 | alexw | sig: do you have a local network, try pinging a host on that first if you do |
| 23:31:10 | sig | alexw: i don't |
| 23:32:10 | alexw | sig: ok, trickier. What connects you to the internet? |
| 23:32:19 | sig | my dsl modem |
| 23:32:23 | sig | eth0 |
| 23:32:28 | sig | on my linux pc |
| 23:34:20 | alexw | sig: so is the arrangment Zaurus[cf card]---<ethernet>---LinuxPC[ethernet card]---<ethernet> DSLModem ? |
| 23:34:31 | alexw | or is it something else? |
| 23:35:27 | sig | alexw: let me explain |
| 23:35:38 | sig | starting with the modem towards the machine |
| 23:35:42 | sig | :) |
| 23:37:14 | sig | ok I have dsl modem that runs to eth0 (192.168.10.1) then I have an extra nic eth1 (192.168.0.2) that runs to a hub on a rj45 cable... then I have my Zaurus setup with the ip of 192.168.0.3 and a gateway of the eth1 card.. |
| 23:39:14 | alexw | sig: so the zaurus goes through the PC to get to the modem? |
| 23:39:19 | sig | yes |
| 23:39:25 | sig | well |
| 23:40:18 | alexw | sig: as in Z[cf eth0]----[Hub]----[eth1]PC[eth0]------[modem] |
| 23:40:25 | sig | yup |
| 23:40:36 | alexw | right, can you ping the PC? |
| 23:40:40 | sig | no |
| 23:40:45 | sig | and the pc can't ping the z |
| 23:40:57 | sig | so i'm sure the ipmasq is done wrong but i can't figure out what |
| 23:41:32 | alexw | well the problem is more basic than IP Masq, or IP Masq is interfering |
| 23:41:40 | sig | ? |
| 23:41:42 | sig | fill me in |
| 23:42:03 | alexw | ok, there is a direct connection between the PC and the Z |
| 23:42:20 | sig | the hub |
| 23:42:28 | alexw | so NAT or Masquerading are unnecessary when they talk to each other |
| 23:42:50 | alexw | the hub is just a bug standard ethernet hub right? |
| 23:42:59 | alexw | sorry bug=bog |
| 23:43:04 | sig | yeah |
| 23:44:04 | alexw | shouldn't matter then, I have 2 switches (slightly fancy hub) between my PC and the gateway machine, but 'ping gateway' works without any Masq at my end |
| 23:44:29 | alexw | so try 'ping 192.168.0.2' on the Z |
| 23:44:39 | sig | can't |
| 23:44:43 | sig | nothing happens |
| 23:45:19 | alexw | it should say atleast 'host unreachable' or similar, what is the _exact_ error |
| 23:45:28 | sig | just hangs |
| 23:45:32 | alexw | oh |
| 23:46:18 | alexw | what about the PC, can you try 'ping 192.168.0.3' on that (when the Z has rebooted of course |
| 23:46:40 | sig | yeah i can ping 192.168.0.3 which is the z's eth0 ip |
| 23:46:54 | alexw | and you get a reply? |
| 23:47:12 | sig | yeah |
| 23:47:50 | sig | 0.3ms |
| 23:47:53 | alexw | ok, then the problem is on the Z, possibly with the ping command, is the Linux PC running any servers |
| 23:48:06 | sig | um |
| 23:48:17 | sig | well |
| 23:48:19 | sig | httpd |
| 23:48:27 | sig | and ftp |
| 23:48:29 | sig | and ssh |
| 23:49:00 | alexw | ok try pointing opera/konqueror embedded at http://192.168.0.2/ |
| 23:49:07 | sig | k |
| 23:50:12 | alexw | any joy? |
| 23:50:18 | sig | looks like it try's to connect then i get "the address is not availiable from this machine" |
| 23:51:10 | alexw | hmm, is the linux PC running any sort of firewall, or is the webserver bound only to eth0? |
| 23:51:22 | sig | no |
| 23:51:25 | sig | i disabled it |
| 23:51:29 | sig | trying to get this working |
| 23:51:54 | alexw | what about the IP Masquerading, have you tried disabling that |
| 23:52:14 | sig | how do i disable it now? |
| 23:52:48 | alexw | Which did you use, iptables or ipchains? |
| 23:52:53 | sig | iptables |
| 23:53:44 | sig | ipchains -F or iptables -F then echo 0 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 23:53:49 | sig | ok i just disabled it |
| 23:54:54 | alexw | that might work, I was going for the brute force rmmod method, but that was messy :) |
| 23:55:08 | alexw | try the ping again on the Z |
| 23:55:35 | sig | nope |
| 23:55:47 | sig | it just sts there and won't say timout or anything |
| 23:56:33 | alexw | hmm, what is the ouput of ifconfig? |
| 23:56:44 | warmi | whoaa !! |
| 23:56:48 | warmi | zuruszone is back |
| 23:57:08 | sig | normal |
| 23:57:41 | sig | eth0 Linux encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:20:CB: blah blah |
| 23:58:00 | occ | im getting a weird phone call |
| 23:58:04 | occ | i can't figure out of its a scam or not |
| 23:58:14 | occ | supposedly, its the nielsen corp |
| 23:58:47 | occ | telling me they want me to install some piece of software, and they'll give me $100 |
| 23:58:48 | occ | odd. |
