| 00:02:00 | [DrEvil] | I suddenly need a bigger CF card |
| 00:04:05 | BigBoss | where is ther a satellite tracker? |
| 00:04:20 | MSpin | hrm, it's on ZSI someplace |
| 00:06:14 | ljp | ya.. its nice,.. a little bogged down by floats |
| 00:06:24 | [DrEvil] | hrmm |
| 00:14:14 | BigBoss | can anyone reach www.thekompany.com ? |
| 00:17:24 | MSpin | DNS seems to be fucked |
| 00:17:32 | BigBoss | bloody hell |
| 00:18:07 | ljp | working here |
| 00:18:31 | MSpin | works now |
| 00:18:34 | MSpin | thatwas strange |
| 00:19:05 | [DrEvil] | probably someone who was unhappy about the contest results |
| 00:19:32 | ljp | nope.. wasnt my fault |
| 00:19:42 | ljp | :) |
| 00:21:18 | MSpin | BigBoss: although, sucky packet loss |
| 00:21:56 | BigBoss | it's back now |
| 00:22:09 | BigBoss | the whole co-lo was out for about 5 minutes |
| 00:22:35 | MSpin | I'm getting 80% packet loss starting at 64.58.128.170 |
| 00:23:36 | ljp | BB: have you checked out teambuilder? |
| 00:24:13 | BigBoss | the new TT app? |
| 00:24:23 | BigBoss | there is an open source one too |
| 00:24:25 | BigBoss | haven't tried either |
| 00:24:53 | ljp | teambuilder has a personal edition, limited to 3 boxes.. |
| 00:25:09 | ljp | got a kernel build from 15 minutes to 6 |
| 00:25:53 | ljp | do you know what the open sourced one's called |
| 00:26:34 | BigBoss | checking |
| 00:27:03 | BigBoss | dammit |
| 00:27:15 | BigBoss | our server is up and down like a yo yo right now |
| 00:29:36 | BigBoss | ljp: I can't get ahold of my engineer that had been working on it now |
| 00:29:47 | BigBoss | we were talking in our private irc and it went down again |
| 00:37:13 | rikkus | BigBoss: argh :| |
| 00:39:58 | whardier | fuck on a rope |
| 00:41:28 | warmi | re |
| 00:42:31 | treke|home | just tried a Zarurus out |
| 00:42:39 | treke|home | Surprisingly small screens |
| 00:43:14 | warmi | my first reaction was : surprisingly cute |
| 00:43:16 | warmi | seriously |
| 00:45:08 | kergoth | re |
| 00:45:55 | BigBoss | rikkus |
| 00:45:56 | whardier | bar |
| 00:46:01 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:46:03 | BigBoss | what was that OSS version of TeamBuilder? |
| 00:46:04 | whardier | verberate |
| 00:46:17 | rikkus | BigBoss: distcc |
| 00:46:24 | BigBoss | you have a url? |
| 00:46:50 | rikkus | http://distcc.samba.org/ |
| 00:46:58 | BigBoss | thanks |
| 00:47:00 | warmi | catching up with email ... on the [Zaurus General] front looks like UE author got pissed it was froot and not his game that won the game category heheh |
| 00:47:13 | rikkus | BigBoss: 'cvs ci' ... nothing happening :( |
| 00:47:21 | rikkus | kicks valentine |
| 00:47:38 | BigBoss | shit shit shit |
| 00:47:42 | BigBoss | I have a call into the co-lo |
| 00:47:45 | BigBoss | their server went out too |
| 00:47:47 | rikkus | I can ping it... just |
| 00:47:55 | BigBoss | i can't even ping it |
| 00:47:59 | rikkus | every 10s or so I get a reply, saying 300ms |
| 00:48:14 | rikkus | 64 bytes from 216-73-109-110.ocdc-01.net (216.73.109.110): icmp_seq=2 ttl=239 time=325.479 msec |
| 00:48:38 | BigBoss | i'm just getting 'request timed out' |
| 00:49:10 | warmi | yep .. tkc is down |
| 00:49:52 | BigBoss | everytime I'm gonna go out of town we either get slashdotted or have a server problem |
| 00:50:05 | kergoth | murphy's law |
| 00:50:44 | xxl | or skript kiddies |
| 00:50:49 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:52:04 | catalin | I'm getting the same behaviour on several other hosts on the net |
| 00:52:38 | warmi | I wonder what kind of hardware is required to survive an average slashdoting |
| 00:52:40 | warmi | heh |
| 00:52:44 | rodzilla | hey warmi, I noticed you're using cgi:irc earlier, I've been looking for a site that connected to irc.openprojects.net... |
| 00:53:12 | rikkus | warmi: hardware isn't too much of a problem, it's bandwidth that gets eaten |
| 00:53:32 | warmi | yeah I always use it when connection from the office to get around the corporate firewall |
| 00:53:39 | rikkus | unless you're php'd to the teeth, of course |
| 00:53:44 | BigBoss | yea, our hardware does just fine as long as we have the ftp properly limited |
| 00:54:29 | warmi | well, we got slashdoted couple of times without much effect on the site ( but we have big ass servers etc ) |
| 00:54:39 | warmi | I am just wondering about smaller setup .. |
| 00:54:56 | warmi | there is no chance in hell to survive ./ing on your average DSL line |
| 00:54:57 | warmi | hehe |
| 00:55:05 | Nadav | heh |
| 00:55:15 | whardier | me has $1550 in dental work to do |
| 00:55:19 | rodzilla | warmi, is this cgi:irc for the public? |
| 00:55:21 | rikkus | so long as you have mostly static stuff or your dynamic stuff is cached locally instead of generated for each request, you are fine |
| 00:55:40 | rikkus | even a tiny box can handle thousands of requests for static stuff per second |
| 00:55:40 | whardier | but I am gonna get it by workin for it.. haha.. the dentist needs a new network layout |
| 00:55:41 | warmi | rodzilla: no it is a perl program that you install on the web server |
| 00:55:59 | warmi | I have it installed on my private web server for my personal use |
| 00:56:08 | rodzilla | ah! |
| 00:56:17 | y0ssarian | whardier: lol, getting a platinum grill? |
| 00:56:21 | whardier | haha |
| 00:56:24 | whardier | a few fillings |
| 00:56:33 | whardier | a few pulling of wisdom teeth |
| 00:56:36 | rodzilla | I wonder if I could do that at my site, they allow php & mysql and should allow perl too |
| 00:56:38 | y0ssarian | yeouch |
| 00:56:46 | whardier | I already got one pulled |
| 00:56:48 | extremis | hrm, I'mhaving a hell of a time installing anything in OZ |
| 00:56:56 | y0ssarian | whardier: the way to do it is all 4 at once... ;) |
| 00:56:57 | whardier | but apparently they are gonna have to shclack off some gum to get to another one |
| 00:57:03 | y0ssarian | ick |
| 00:57:07 | warmi | rodzilla: I don't see why not .. it is just another cgi |
| 00:57:08 | whardier | y0ssarian naw.. I like the one at a time thing |
| 00:57:13 | extremis | everything errors out |
| 00:57:17 | whardier | then I am not useless for days on end |
| 00:57:32 | extremis | and my sd won't mount automatically, I have to manually mount it |
| 00:57:45 | whardier | extremis did you ipkg install magic ? |
| 00:57:53 | whardier | you really need magic to get that stuff working right |
| 00:58:00 | extremis | whardier: haha |
| 00:58:14 | extremis | I could get it all working if I hacked at it for a bit |
| 00:58:15 | whardier | ipkg install opie-portablesex |
| 00:58:28 | extremis | I just thought it would be somewhat usuable out of the box |
| 00:58:38 | whardier | has to go get thrown about a bit now.. ttyl! |
| 00:58:44 | kergoth | extremis: it is usable out of the box. |
| 00:59:01 | kergoth | extremis: 'everything errors out' <-elaborate |
| 00:59:15 | extremis | kergoth: well every package I have fails with errors |
| 00:59:29 | extremis | I could get you the errors |
| 00:59:31 | warmi | riskus: yeah but even with purely static contet , the bandwidth limitation would kill you rather quickly |
| 00:59:46 | warmi | I am talking about an average DSL line |
| 00:59:47 | warmi | hehe |
| 00:59:59 | extremis | but it will have to wait a bit, I have some more pressing matters |
| 01:00:21 | whardier | WOOWOOO |
| 01:00:26 | whardier | I FOUND 25 BUCKS! |
| 01:00:31 | whardier | heads off to the dollar store |
| 01:00:39 | y0ssarian | you can get 25 items |
| 01:00:40 | Nadav | kills whardier and steals the $25 |
| 01:00:46 | whardier | mine |
| 01:00:47 | y0ssarian | excluding sales tax.... |
| 01:00:48 | whardier | anyhoot |
| 01:00:50 | whardier | I should go now |
| 01:01:07 | kergoth | extremis: what do yo mean? are you installing packages with oipkg? |
| 01:08:43 | warmi | catalin: are you around ? |
| 01:08:57 | catalin | yes |
| 01:09:16 | catalin | for a couple of minutes. |
| 01:09:21 | catalin | what's up ? |
| 01:09:34 | warmi | hehe .. don't get pissed but I just couldn't refuse joining the flame war on [ZAurus-General] |
| 01:09:47 | warmi | so I fired up a little shot back at your latest email |
| 01:09:49 | warmi | :-) |
| 01:10:07 | BigBoss | I hope you jumped on catalins side :) |
| 01:10:32 | warmi | not exactly :-) |
| 01:10:38 | warmi | actually it was just a remark |
| 01:10:40 | catalin | <quote> |
| 01:10:42 | catalin | Not to defend the original poster or anything but I think you should have |
| 01:10:42 | BigBoss | he's sending from home |
| 01:10:42 | catalin | mentioned in your email that you are employed by tkc. |
| 01:10:43 | catalin | Walter Rawdanik |
| 01:10:49 | catalin | </quote> |
| 01:10:51 | warmi | yeah |
| 01:10:53 | BigBoss | warmi copied me |
| 01:11:06 | BigBoss | doesn't make his comments less valid though |
| 01:11:18 | warmi | yeah I know |
| 01:11:30 | warmi | I completely agree that this guy lost it |
| 01:11:50 | BigBoss | i mean what an idiot - yea, let's boycott the only company making software for this thing |
| 01:11:55 | warmi | especially with that boycott tkc company remark |
| 01:12:26 | BigBoss | all the OSS zealots feel it's their god given right to have everything for free |
| 01:12:33 | BigBoss | yet few of them actually contribute |
| 01:12:38 | BigBoss | at least we do contribute |
| 01:13:06 | warmi | well, BB to tell you the truth I don't think this guy has anything personally against TCK |
| 01:13:21 | warmi | I just think he was pissed because his (very good btw) entry lost in the games category |
| 01:13:47 | kergoth | who is this you're talking about? |
| 01:13:56 | catalin | warmi: which one ? |
| 01:13:59 | rikkus | was that the Puzz-le ? |
| 01:14:11 | warmi | I am sure it was a case of pressing "send" button without reallizing what he just wrote |
| 01:14:14 | warmi | no |
| 01:14:24 | warmi | riskus:no , no no .. and no |
| 01:14:26 | warmi | I wrote Puzz-le |
| 01:14:30 | warmi | hehehe |
| 01:14:31 | rikkus | hehe |
| 01:14:37 | BigBoss | yea, warmi wrote puzzle :) |
| 01:14:40 | warmi | http://int13.net/ |
| 01:14:42 | rikkus | puzz-le is quite good |
| 01:14:48 | rikkus | played it |
| 01:14:48 | rikkus | :) |
| 01:14:57 | rikkus | wahey, CVS is back |
| 01:15:12 | warmi | yeah, I think it is better than Froot but then again .. it is matter of personal preferences and I am not pissed I lost |
| 01:15:27 | rikkus | haven't seen froot, so can't say |
| 01:15:35 | rikkus | plenty of people said puzz-le was better |
| 01:15:35 | warmi | I am actually happy I won my Zaurus |
| 01:16:00 | warmi | but going back to the flame war |
| 01:16:04 | Nadav | ? |
| 01:16:05 | kergoth | I thought puzz-le was better than froot myself, as well |
| 01:16:05 | extremis | Ok, first errors: "ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for qpe-thekompany.\n qpe-base(1.5.0)." |
| 01:16:05 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:16:18 | kergoth | extremis: check the -force-depends box please. |
| 01:16:18 | warmi | I think he already knows he made a huge mistake sending that email out |
| 01:16:21 | extremis | this was after I edited the default destination so that sd actually had a url |
| 01:16:33 | BigBoss | puzzle is definitely better than froot |
| 01:16:51 | catalin | so he wrote froot ? |
| 01:16:54 | kergoth | extremis: oipkg is buggy atm. take a look at the bug tracking system on opie.handhelds.org for example |
| 01:17:13 | warmi | Thorsten Scheuermann |
| 01:17:32 | extremis | kergoth: ok, so to maintain usuability out of the box, don't use oipkg :) |
| 01:17:45 | BigBoss | froot won it's category |
| 01:17:46 | kergoth | extremis: if we use qipkg, you lose the ability to install to sd/cf.. at least you used to |
| 01:17:48 | extremis | the mass amount of errors I was seing was due to the blank url :) |
| 01:17:55 | kergoth | extremis: because the source to qinstall was never released |
| 01:17:56 | catalin | bb: oh, got it |
| 01:18:07 | extremis | kergoth: I'm not saying that OZ isn't amazing |
| 01:18:07 | extremis | it is |
| 01:18:12 | warmi | according to benmayer: UE . (written by the guy who started flame war) is really good |
| 01:18:21 | extremis | its just not braindead simple out of the box... brb |
| 01:18:25 | warmi | so I can somewhat understand his frustration |
| 01:18:35 | kergoth | extremis: yeh, oipkg is buggy as hell. we're working on the situation |
| 01:18:42 | kergoth | whats UE? |
| 01:18:52 | warmi | http://int13.net/ |
| 01:18:55 | BigBoss | i was bummed we could only have one entry |
| 01:19:22 | kergoth | warmi: ah yeah i remember going to that url a long ass time ago.. |
| 01:19:49 | extremis | heh, tons of input/output errors on tkcaddressbook |
| 01:20:07 | BigBoss | doing what? |
| 01:20:21 | extremis | trying to install in OZ |
| 01:20:29 | kergoth | extremis: i/o errors? hmm, i havent seen that on any install in oz.. odd |
| 01:20:45 | kergoth | extremis: do this. exit oipkg. drop to embeddedkonsole. run 'oipkg' from there, try again. |
| 01:20:51 | extremis | heh |
| 01:21:19 | extremis | I can't select packages from there |
| 01:21:19 | BigBoss | I should offer that guy a job and see how he reacts :) |
| 01:21:20 | kergoth | extremis: fyi Trolltech added install to cf/sd support to qipkg in qtopia cvs, I'll likely include that in the next version if tille hasnt cleaned up oipkg by then |
| 01:21:24 | kergoth | BigBoss: hah |
| 01:21:40 | extremis | I have to select them from docs |
| 01:21:46 | warmi | BB: tkcJabber is not based on any GPL stuff is it ? |
| 01:21:53 | kergoth | extremis: wont work. |
| 01:22:02 | kergoth | extremis: oipkg doesnt work properly when spawned by the launcher. huge bug |
| 01:22:05 | kergoth | extremis: heh |
| 01:22:13 | extremis | then how do I install anything? |
| 01:22:14 | kergoth | extremis: drop to embeddedkonsole.. run.. oipkg /path/to/your/ipk |
| 01:22:18 | extremis | ok |
| 01:22:28 | extremis | pain in the butt |
| 01:22:34 | kergoth | no kidding.. |
| 01:22:51 | BigBoss | warmi: not at all, it uses a jabber server - maybe that is what he is talking about |
| 01:23:09 | warmi | in any case, I couldn't care less if it was ... frankly, GPL should be banned for it actually hinders code reuse |
| 01:23:30 | BigBoss | it absolutely does, and it chews up too much energy figuring out how to work with it |
| 01:23:41 | CloudChaser | warmi: have you played that guy's UE game? |
| 01:23:43 | BigBoss | I'd happily mix pieces of code as gpl and close if I could |
| 01:23:54 | BigBoss | the screenshots look nice, he appears to be talented, too bad he's an ass |
| 01:23:58 | kergoth | yeh i agree. gpl is definately less free than say.. bsd for example |
| 01:24:15 | warmi | as far as that email ... you better make sure everyone knows it is not based on GPL |
| 01:24:22 | CloudChaser | Screenshots may be nice but has anyone actually played it? |
| 01:24:38 | warmi | crap like that can propagate easily even if it is not true |
| 01:24:42 | warmi | Cloud: Benmayer did |
| 01:24:44 | extremis | oh god, do I have to give it the full path? |
| 01:24:48 | warmi | and he said it was a great game |
| 01:25:02 | CloudChaser | ah ok.. didn't know because it's not available |
| 01:25:08 | kergoth | extremis: not sure.. you might be able to cd over there and just give the filename. dont know off the top of my head |
| 01:25:12 | extremis | oipkg ./package.ipk fails with "No such file or directory" upon install |
| 01:25:17 | kergoth | ack |
| 01:25:19 | kergoth | stupid piece of shit |
| 01:25:21 | kergoth | try full path |
| 01:25:24 | extremis | haha |
| 01:25:56 | kergoth | extremis: hey you can do this.. edit oipkg.conf .. you can change a path in there to make it show your packages in a certain path as though they were in a feed.. within 'oipkg' |
| 01:26:16 | kergoth | extremis: benmeyer is working on a new package manager to solve some of this, and the installer brokenness on the sharp rom |
| 01:26:19 | warmi | Cloud: I think they were going to release UE after the contest |
| 01:26:24 | BigBoss | warmi: I'm not on that mail list, so I can't comment |
| 01:27:02 | extremis | heh, now oipkg stopped responding |
| 01:27:13 | warmi | BB: before you know it you will have /. story about how TKC uses GPL software without releasing the source |
| 01:27:27 | warmi | I am kidding here but /. has been known to post stories like that |
| 01:27:39 | BigBoss | no kidding |
| 01:28:37 | extremis | ok, I reinstalled qpe-thekompany.com |
| 01:28:42 | extremis | now for addressbook |
| 01:28:46 | kergoth | extremis: hehe. fun fun |
| 01:29:36 | warmi | Claud: as far as UE .. it does say on the their page that beta testers are welcomed .. |
| 01:30:16 | warmi | I hope climove did not get pissed at me for sending out that email .. |
| 01:30:17 | warmi | huh |
| 01:30:33 | catalin | warmi: nope |
| 01:30:36 | warmi | :-) |
| 01:30:40 | catalin | ;) |
| 01:30:45 | extremis | hrm, after installing qpe-tkcaddressbook, I can't find it |
| 01:30:59 | extremis | in the sharp rom, it replaced the Contacts icon |
| 01:31:03 | extremis | bah |
| 01:31:13 | kergoth | extremis: hmm, try restarting qtopia |
| 01:31:16 | kergoth | s/qtopia/opie/ |
| 01:31:21 | warmi_dinner | finally !! |
| 01:31:22 | extremis | kergoth: I did |
| 01:31:27 | extremis | and there still is not tkc tab |
| 01:31:28 | warmi_dinner | something to eat |
| 01:31:30 | extremis | no |
| 01:31:33 | kergoth | extremis: hm.. drop to konsole. ipkg files qpe-tkcaddressbook |
| 01:31:41 | CloudChaser | hehe have a nice dinner warmi |
| 01:31:46 | extremis | I need it on my sd |
| 01:31:54 | extremis | oh, files to list |
| 01:31:59 | CloudChaser | it won't work on sd |
| 01:32:00 | warmi_dinner | oh ... I will ,believe me |
| 01:32:03 | extremis | I hate working in the shell with the keyboard |
| 01:32:05 | kergoth | extremis: yep. i want to see what files are installed |
| 01:32:13 | kergoth | CloudChaser: oh really.. |
| 01:32:14 | CloudChaser | has to be in ram |
| 01:32:16 | kergoth | ah |
| 01:32:21 | kergoth | how annoying |
| 01:32:23 | CloudChaser | address book and calendar |
| 01:32:36 | CloudChaser | have to install the kompany file too |
| 01:32:39 | extremis | wtf |
| 01:32:47 | extremis | I don't have enough ram |
| 01:32:52 | extremis | sorry, no |
| 01:32:54 | CloudChaser | thekompany ipk |
| 01:32:58 | extremis | I will not install any tkc app in ram |
| 01:33:46 | kergoth | extremis: fyi, default install dest in OZ is flash, not ram. even less space to work with |
| 01:34:00 | extremis | ugh, paperweight |
| 01:34:16 | kergoth | extremis: we can probably make it work though, if you'll work with me here.. send me the output of ipkg files qpe-tkcaddressbook |
| 01:34:21 | CloudChaser | extremis: i don't know about oz at all |
| 01:34:41 | kergoth | BigBoss: why do your packages not install to sd properly? you know offhand? |
| 01:34:52 | extremis | kergoth: I will need to get this thing networked |
| 01:35:30 | extremis | brb, must get stuff done which pays the bills |
| 01:35:34 | kergoth | extremis: ah.. you could copy the output of it to CF.. :-) |
| 01:35:36 | kergoth | k |
| 01:44:57 | CloudChaser | - |
| 01:47:13 | BigBoss | kergoth: I know some of them expect to be in RAM, but other than that you'd need to talk to max |
| 01:47:36 | kergoth | BigBoss: k, thanks |
| 01:48:17 | warmi | the only difference between ram and CF/SD is the filesystem |
| 01:48:35 | warmi | no symlinks allowed on fat etc .. |
| 01:49:00 | warmi | kergoth: is there any other difference I am not aware of ? |
| 01:49:11 | kergoth | not to my knowledge. |
| 01:49:31 | kergoth | except paths.. they may be depending on specific paths, which would be foolish, but entirely possible |
| 01:49:31 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:49:38 | kergoth | hmm |
| 01:49:48 | warmi | hehe |
| 01:50:33 | kergoth | Documentation/pm.txt says to handle power management events in a device driver using pm_register ... Documentation/driver-model.txt says you put in resume and suspend functions into the device_driver structure |
| 01:50:55 | kergoth | wonder which one you're supposed to use for suspend/resume events. damn inconsistencies |
| 01:50:57 | kergoth | hehe |
| 01:52:33 | warmi | you know what to do when in doubt ... |
| 01:52:41 | warmi | unless there is no source , then you are screwed |
| 01:52:42 | warmi | hehe |
| 01:53:28 | extremis | hrm, seems the usb port on this machine isn't working |
| 01:53:51 | extremis | I'm starting to get discouraged |
| 01:53:52 | extremis | brb |
| 01:53:55 | extremis | finding drivers |
| 01:54:03 | kergoth | i'm reading shitloads of course.. and i see drivers/base/power.c calls out the suspend/resume functions from the device driver structure .. |
| 01:54:08 | kergoth | so i know thatd work.. |
| 01:54:32 | kergoth | but kernel/pm.c has the pm_register shit, which would probably work too |
| 01:54:56 | kergoth | so the question is, when to use one method vs the other. heh |
| 01:54:57 | kergoth | hm |
| 01:55:07 | warmi | maybe it is an union |
| 01:55:08 | warmi | heheeh |
| 01:55:24 | kergoth | ugh |
| 01:55:26 | kergoth | hehe |
| 01:56:24 | warmi | kergoth: what exactly are you doing ? trying to write SD driver for OZ ? |
| 01:56:46 | kergoth | warmi: nah nothing so advanced. just doing the port still, but I'm trying to improve things to work in a more sane way along the way |
| 01:56:46 | kergoth | brb |
| 02:02:19 | [DrEvil] | all this strife on Zaurus-general about the contest |
| 02:03:14 | warmi | must be Debian beatnikcs |
| 02:03:23 | warmi | beatnicks even |
| 02:03:24 | [DrEvil] | yeah |
| 02:03:30 | [DrEvil] | beatnik |
| 02:03:31 | warmi | lol |
| 02:03:52 | [DrEvil] | they are the most feverent advocates of GPL everything |
| 02:04:35 | warmi | including GPLed wifes |
| 02:04:36 | warmi | heh |
| 02:04:47 | [DrEvil] | wife swapping |
| 02:05:07 | warmi | well, very much GPL concept |
| 02:05:09 | warmi | heeh |
| 02:05:41 | [DrEvil] | they could whore their wives but it would be against their views to charge anything |
| 02:06:47 | [DrEvil] | I finally got a response from Kenwood about their Sirius tuner |
| 02:07:01 | warmi | well, while we are all charged up with Debian hatred ... let's go hack some Debian based site or possibly beat up on some poor debian user |
| 02:07:02 | warmi | hehe |
| 02:07:09 | treke|home | runs |
| 02:07:12 | warmi | :-) |
| 02:07:21 | [DrEvil] | burn the debian witches |
| 02:07:22 | [DrEvil] | burn them all |
| 02:07:26 | treke|home | puts a red hat on |
| 02:07:34 | treke|home | dum dee dum dee dum |
| 02:07:41 | [DrEvil] | that wont do you any good |
| 02:08:33 | [DrEvil] | I want a Music Keg and a Sirius tuner |
| 02:08:38 | [DrEvil] | who wants to buy them for me |
| 02:08:41 | warmi | what else ? |
| 02:08:53 | [DrEvil] | that will do for right now |
| 02:09:03 | warmi | how much is this stuff anyway ? |
| 02:09:18 | [DrEvil] | the Music Keg is around $1000 |
| 02:09:40 | warmi | well, I don;t even want to know about Sirius then |
| 02:09:41 | [DrEvil] | the tuner is $200 retail |
| 02:10:00 | warmi | we talking here 2.5 Zaurus DrEvil .. |
| 02:10:07 | warmi | are you sure you really want that stuff ? |
| 02:10:31 | [DrEvil] | who wouldn't? |
| 02:10:50 | warmi | Music Keg . what is that ? some sort of synthetiser ? |
| 02:11:04 | [DrEvil] | no |
| 02:11:06 | warmi | sort of like sophisticated casio keyboard ? |
| 02:11:12 | [DrEvil] | http://www.kenwoodusa.com/product/product.jsp?productTypeId=162&productLineId=1&productId=2373 |
| 02:12:08 | warmi | DrEvil: come on .. you can build something like that yourself for about 1/4 of the price they are asking |
| 02:12:21 | [DrEvil] | it wont integrate well |
| 02:12:33 | warmi | well, I said 1/4 of the price .. |
| 02:12:34 | warmi | hehee |
| 02:12:43 | [DrEvil] | I just plug that into one of my CD changer inputs and voila |
| 02:12:46 | [DrEvil] | everything works |
| 02:12:52 | warmi | but 1200 !!! |
| 02:12:52 | [DrEvil] | it all goes through my deck display |
| 02:12:53 | [DrEvil] | I don' |
| 02:12:58 | warmi | that's insane of you ask me |
| 02:13:21 | [DrEvil] | and it does ogg |
| 02:14:12 | warmi | my $300 5 years old PC does ogg as well .. |
| 02:14:22 | warmi | but as you said ... "it won't integrate" |
| 02:14:23 | warmi | hehe |
| 02:14:26 | [DrEvil] | I am picky about what goes into my car |
| 02:14:41 | [DrEvil] | I spent a bundle on a proper installation |
| 02:14:52 | warmi | how about Z with big ass CF card ? |
| 02:15:01 | [DrEvil] | hell...I have a 28 band EQ in the car |
| 02:15:04 | warmi | like 515 MB or possibly 1024 MB |
| 02:15:06 | [DrEvil] | no |
| 02:15:14 | [DrEvil] | it isn't line level output |
| 02:15:22 | W|GGL|T | 28 band? dayam |
| 02:15:29 | [DrEvil] | yes |
| 02:15:31 | [DrEvil] | 28 band |
| 02:16:06 | ljp | hardwire: ping: ping |
| 02:16:34 | warmi | you are not driving the new VW Beattle , are you ? |
| 02:16:41 | [DrEvil] | huh? |
| 02:16:49 | [DrEvil] | what does that have to do with anything |
| 02:17:01 | [DrEvil] | debian beatniks drive beatles |
| 02:17:06 | warmi | heheehe |
| 02:17:13 | warmi | nah ... just asking |
| 02:17:27 | [DrEvil] | 800 watts of pure love |
| 02:17:49 | W|GGL|T | i woudn't mind a beetle, only i wish they'd bring the awd versions to the US |
| 02:18:01 | warmi | whats awd ? |
| 02:18:06 | W|GGL|T | all wheel drive |
| 02:18:17 | [DrEvil] | I want the Celica All-Trac back in the US |
| 02:18:24 | W|GGL|T | i hate front wheel drive with a passion |
| 02:18:38 | W|GGL|T | those all-tracs aren't bad |
| 02:18:50 | [DrEvil] | I want a new model |
| 02:18:55 | W|GGL|T | about the same layout and power output as my eagle talon awd |
| 02:18:55 | [DrEvil] | turbo charged |
| 02:18:57 | [DrEvil] | awd |
| 02:19:04 | warmi | if it drives and doesn't make unusuall noise , then a car is fine with me |
| 02:19:32 | W|GGL|T | likes his cars with good amounts of testosterone :o) |
| 02:19:33 | [DrEvil] | I wish the Kenwood HUD was more flexible |
| 02:20:32 | warmi | I don;t even have CD player in my car so I guess I am not a right person to talk about stuff like Music Ken |
| 02:20:53 | [DrEvil] | that sux |
| 02:20:57 | W|GGL|T | i added one of those radio frequency ones...a cheap one |
| 02:21:06 | [DrEvil] | ugh |
| 02:21:21 | W|GGL|T | im through with adding stereo stuff to my car...its been broken into multiple times |
| 02:21:33 | warmi | hehehe |
| 02:21:49 | warmi | and he wants to put $1200 stuff inside |
| 02:21:59 | warmi | that's like asking somebody to break in |
| 02:22:10 | [DrEvil] | no one can tell what is in mine |
| 02:22:49 | warmi | well, I guess if you like to drive or are forced to drive a lot then it would make sense |
| 02:23:23 | warmi | after all, you would spent a big chunk of your life in that car |
| 02:23:36 | W|GGL|T | then i borrowed my gf's car once and they broke into that one also (it was all stock stuff)...they saw there was nothing in it but an ashtray of coins and they stole the coins, tray and all |
| 02:23:54 | W|GGL|T | and a maglite |
| 02:24:20 | [DrEvil] | I've got almost limo tint |
| 02:24:28 | warmi | hehehe |
| 02:24:34 | [DrEvil] | I paid for an install where everything is hidden |
| 02:24:46 | [DrEvil] | amps, eq, sub |
| 02:24:47 | [DrEvil] | etc |
| 02:25:04 | warmi | WGGLIT: you got to change your neighborhood |
| 02:25:14 | warmi | hehe |
| 02:25:34 | [DrEvil] | I need a bigger CF card if i am going to delve into scumm |
| 02:26:03 | warmi | these games are from 1992 or so .. they can't be that big |
| 02:26:18 | warmi | they used floppies back then |
| 02:26:38 | [DrEvil] | the talkie version of Indy that i have is about 150 megs |
| 02:26:39 | [DrEvil] | on a CD |
| 02:27:02 | warmi | huh |
| 02:27:09 | warmi | that's a lot .. |
| 02:27:15 | [DrEvil] | yes |
| 02:27:15 | warmi | when was that game released ? |
| 02:27:21 | [DrEvil] | I need to find my DOTT cd |
| 02:28:05 | [DrEvil] | the files are dated 93 |
| 02:28:25 | warmi | CDs in 1993 ? |
| 02:28:30 | [DrEvil] | yes |
| 02:28:49 | extremis | hrm, what do I need to pass to ssh_keygen? |
| 02:29:05 | [DrEvil] | ssh_keygen --help |
| 02:29:10 | extremis | heh |
| 02:29:14 | extremis | neat, not in path |
| 02:29:25 | extremis | ugh, I hate trying to work in shell on this keyboard |
| 02:29:51 | W|GGL|T | vnc works wonders :o) |
| 02:29:58 | [DrEvil] | or just ssh |
| 02:30:02 | warmi | so does telnet :-) |
| 02:30:04 | warmi | hehehe |
| 02:30:14 | extremis | neither are installed |
| 02:31:13 | extremis | hah, ssh-keygen ignores --help |
| 02:32:11 | CloudChaser | hey how long do you think it would take to get kismet working? |
| 02:33:29 | CloudChaser | ack! i pushed a button and my light went off and won't go back on |
| 02:33:56 | BigBoss | try clapping your hands together |
| 02:33:59 | BigBoss | I've seen that work on tv |
| 02:34:07 | warmi | lol |
| 02:34:14 | CloudChaser | nono its not funny ;( |
| 02:34:32 | CloudChaser | i pushed one of the app buttons on the z |
| 02:34:40 | CloudChaser | now my light's gone off |
| 02:34:48 | warmi | completely ? |
| 02:34:51 | warmi | or just dimmed ? |
| 02:34:59 | CloudChaser | off |
| 02:35:05 | CloudChaser | have to hold it up to light to see it |
| 02:35:13 | CloudChaser | will try restarting to see if that does it |
| 02:35:24 | warmi | sound strange |
| 02:35:40 | warmi | yeah, try to reboot ... Windows way TM |
| 02:35:49 | CloudChaser | is very nervous |
| 02:36:08 | kergoth | CloudChaser: did you hold down the button with the little light bulb next to it? |
| 02:36:21 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:36:37 | CloudChaser | hmm maybe, but that's usually an app key |
| 02:36:44 | kergoth | yes, unless you hold it down. |
| 02:36:45 | CloudChaser | its back on |
| 02:36:53 | CloudChaser | wow i didn't know that |
| 02:36:59 | kergoth | hence the 'lightbulb' |
| 02:37:01 | kergoth | try it again |
| 02:37:01 | CloudChaser | feels silly |
| 02:37:02 | kergoth | ;-) |
| 02:37:04 | warmi | yeah .. Kergoth knows everything |
| 02:37:07 | kergoth | hah |
| 02:37:15 | kergoth | no, i know very very little about a number of things |
| 02:37:15 | warmi | I am not kidding here |
| 02:37:23 | kergoth | an expert at nothing, mediocre at a few things |
| 02:37:24 | kergoth | hehe |
| 02:37:27 | kergoth | grumbles |
| 02:37:27 | warmi | everything on this channel means "Zaurus everything" |
| 02:37:29 | warmi | heeh |
| 02:37:31 | CloudChaser | yep thats it |
| 02:37:35 | CloudChaser | thanks so much! |
| 02:37:38 | kergoth | anytime |
| 02:38:11 | CloudChaser | ok now back to the kismet.. do you think i could do it in an hour? getit installed? |
| 02:38:20 | kergoth | yep, shouldnt be a problem |
| 02:39:03 | CloudChaser | ok i saved how to and will attempt this :) |
| 02:39:36 | warmi | interesting reading: http://www.thekompany.com/press_media/full.php3?Id=150 |
| 02:40:20 | BigBoss | you haven't read that yet? |
| 02:40:25 | BigBoss | it was slashdotted a couple months ago |
| 02:41:16 | warmi | I read that back then |
| 02:41:54 | CloudChaser | kergoth: there are two files, kismet and kismet-qt which is ipk |
| 02:42:01 | CloudChaser | do i need both or just one? |
| 02:42:07 | kergoth | CloudChaser: yep, kismet_qt depends on kismet |
| 02:42:11 | warmi | you got a lot of heat for that article BB ? |
| 02:42:20 | kergoth | CloudChaser: kismet is a server and a console client, kismet_qt is a GUI interface for it |
| 02:42:27 | kergoth | CloudChaser: so you want both. kismet first, then kismet_qt |
| 02:42:41 | CloudChaser | ok then i have to edit some files? |
| 02:43:36 | kergoth | actually I havent used kismet_qt since MSpin created an ipk.. but you shouldnt need to, as far as I know. |
| 02:43:41 | warmi | is it benmayer who wrote kismet itself ? |
| 02:43:43 | kergoth | should be able to run kismet-qt |
| 02:43:48 | kergoth | dont think so |
| 02:43:53 | kergoth | he did kinkattalite |
| 02:43:58 | warmi | oh sorry |
| 02:44:16 | warmi | right, I confused the names |
| 02:44:20 | kergoth | figured :-) |
| 02:46:06 | VerxHome | Shawn, I sent Max that email |
| 02:46:15 | VerxHome | I also sent him a while back the email about contacts |
| 02:46:22 | VerxHome | I haven't heard back from him on either one |
| 02:46:27 | extremis | kergoth: I got network connectivity to it now |
| 02:46:55 | kergoth | extremis: cool. i'll want the output of ipkg files tkcpackagename |
| 02:47:14 | extremis | Package qpe-tkcaddressbook_1.5.0-8_arm.ipk not installed. |
| 02:47:14 | BigBoss | I had Max working like a dog today to finish an alpha of tkcVideo for the Handango conference tomorrow |
| 02:47:17 | extremis | bwahahah |
| 02:47:25 | kergoth | extremis: ipkg -d sd files tkcpackagename |
| 02:47:28 | VerxHome | ahhh |
| 02:47:38 | BigBoss | verx: hopefully you'll hear from him tomorrow |
| 02:47:39 | VerxHome | so tkcVideo will be a seperate product from tkcplayer? |
| 02:47:45 | BigBoss | yes |
| 02:47:47 | BigBoss | there are two |
| 02:47:53 | BigBoss | tkcVideo an tkcMovie |
| 02:47:54 | extremis | # ipkg -d sd files qpe-tkcaddressbook_1.5.0-8_arm.ipk |
| 02:47:54 | extremis | Package qpe-tkcaddressbook_1.5.0-8_arm.ipk not installed. |
| 02:47:58 | VerxHome | eh? |
| 02:48:03 | VerxHome | so three products for media? |
| 02:48:04 | kergoth | extremis: ah.. not the filename, the packagename |
| 02:48:09 | extremis | heh |
| 02:48:11 | BigBoss | there will be 4 actually |
| 02:48:11 | kergoth | extremis: i.e. ipkg files qpe-tkcaddressbook |
| 02:48:15 | BigBoss | Player is audio |
| 02:48:25 | BigBoss | Video is high end mpeg4/divx/avi type stuff |
| 02:48:32 | extremis | Package qpe-tkcaddressbook not installed. |
| 02:48:44 | BigBoss | Movie is mpeg1/mpeg2 and an integrated client to browse and search our online database for content |
| 02:48:45 | kergoth | BigBoss: who from tkc is going to be at the conf tomorrow? |
| 02:48:48 | treke|home | 4 media players? Dont think that is a bit excessive? |
| 02:48:57 | extremis | one media player |
| 02:48:57 | BigBoss | kergoth: just me |
| 02:49:01 | kergoth | ah |
| 02:49:01 | extremis | should just be one |
| 02:49:02 | extremis | :) |
| 02:49:12 | kergoth | too bad I couldnt make it. heh |
| 02:49:14 | VerxHome | yeah, 4 media players seems extremely excessive |
| 02:49:15 | kergoth | brb |
| 02:49:18 | BigBoss | treke: we were going to put them all in one, but a poll of our customers said they preferred to have smaller, more specialized apps |
| 02:49:26 | treke|home | one video and one audio wouldnt be bad |
| 02:49:28 | BigBoss | they are all different types and styles of media |
| 02:49:47 | treke|home | hmm. oh well :) |
| 02:49:57 | warmi | BigBoss: of course that would make sense on a device like Z to have more specialized apps |
| 02:50:17 | BigBoss | besides tkcVideo is going to be like $50 |
| 02:50:29 | VerxHome | man |
| 02:50:36 | extremis | ok, I figured out the input output errors |
| 02:50:39 | extremis | its post suspend |
| 02:50:45 | VerxHome | that is one app I certainly won't be buying |
| 02:50:45 | treke|home | wtf? Will it wash my dishes also? |
| 02:50:47 | BigBoss | which is competitively priced for the same app on PocketPC |
| 02:50:49 | extremis | kergoth: wanna help me get the automount of sd fixed? |
| 02:50:54 | extremis | that would probably fix most of my probs |
| 02:51:00 | BigBoss | we aren't doing nickel and dime stuff forever |
| 02:51:05 | BigBoss | tkcRekall will also be $50 |
| 02:51:05 | extremis | I will use ipkg to install now that I know I can specify a location |
| 02:51:06 | warmi | hehe |
| 02:51:12 | VerxHome | what is tkcRekall? |
| 02:51:28 | BigBoss | a version of Rekall (www.thekompany.com/products/rekall) for the Zaurus |
| 02:51:37 | BigBoss | design or deploy on desktop or Z |
| 02:51:44 | BigBoss | work against a local or remote database |
| 02:51:47 | warmi | treke: yeah 50 bucks .. but then again, your porn will look like never before with this fine app |
| 02:51:48 | warmi | hehe |
| 02:51:53 | BigBoss | it's working right now, I have a beta of it |
| 02:52:00 | kergoth | extremis: sure, anything in dmesg about sd? |
| 02:52:22 | BigBoss | remember, you can convert a full length movie to divx to display on the Z in about 120mb |
| 02:52:27 | BigBoss | at least our tests have done it |
| 02:52:43 | BigBoss | now $50 for a portable video player is pretty cheap |
| 02:52:43 | treke|home | How long does it take? |
| 02:53:02 | BigBoss | depends on your computer, but I'm not sure off the top of my head |
| 02:53:15 | VerxHome | so does the Z have enough battery life to PLAY a full length movie? |
| 02:53:15 | VerxHome | heheh |
| 02:53:22 | treke|home | that was my next question :) |
| 02:53:37 | extremis | kergoth: gonna reboot so its clean |
| 02:53:46 | warmi | it can play mp3 for at last 1.5 |
| 02:53:53 | warmi | 1.5 h |
| 02:53:57 | treke|home | that sounds like a no then |
| 02:54:09 | extremis | I see something at console about starting sd... file not found |
| 02:54:19 | warmi | but that is with dimmed screen which , obviously, won't work for the video |
| 02:54:22 | BigBoss | on a 5500 it likely will |
| 02:54:29 | extremis | but it doesn't show up in dmesg |
| 02:54:34 | extremis | just a sec, lets look for something obvious |
| 02:54:35 | extremis | brb |
| 02:54:46 | warmi | yeah, I was talking about 5000D |
| 02:55:10 | kergoth | extremis: is sdmgr running in the process list? |
| 02:55:12 | BigBoss | well there isn't much we can do about the crappy battery on the 5000 |
| 02:55:17 | BigBoss | pick up an extra battery I guess |
| 02:55:18 | extremis | kergoth: no |
| 02:55:26 | kergoth | extremis: from konsole, run /etc/init.d/sd start |
| 02:55:46 | VerxHome | Shawn: Will tkcRekall allow form design on the Z? |
| 02:56:33 | BigBoss | yes |
| 02:56:47 | BigBoss | I've got some screenshots posted somewhere, let me see if I can find them |
| 02:57:34 | VerxHome | okie |
| 02:57:43 | extremis | kergoth: just a sec, restarting sshd |
| 02:58:09 | extremis | I wonder if openbsd has drivers for this :) |
| 02:58:11 | BigBoss | http://www.seriesone.net/hidden/ |
| 02:58:11 | extremis | probably not |
| 02:58:22 | BigBoss | integrated python debugger as well |
| 02:58:44 | VerxHome | does it debug python PyQt? |
| 02:59:16 | BigBoss | no, this is PyQt |
| 02:59:24 | VerxHome | eh? |
| 02:59:25 | BigBoss | you could use it instead of PyQt though for many things |
| 02:59:27 | extremis | # /etc/init.d/sd start |
| 02:59:27 | extremis | Start SD services:# |
| 02:59:29 | extremis | that worked |
| 02:59:33 | BigBoss | isn't pyqt rather |
| 02:59:36 | VerxHome | the app itself is written in pyqt? |
| 02:59:48 | extremis | I'll try ejecting and insterting the sd |
| 02:59:59 | extremis | # ps | grep sd |
| 02:59:59 | extremis | 461 root 1712 S grep sd |
| 03:00:02 | extremis | hrm, no it didn't work |
| 03:00:20 | BigBoss | no it isn't |
| 03:00:27 | extremis | EXT2-fs: Unrecognized mount option user |
| 03:00:28 | BigBoss | it uses python as the scripting language |
| 03:00:33 | extremis | thats from dmesg |
| 03:01:46 | extremis | /dev/mmcda1 /mnt/card auto noauto,user,owner 0 0 |
| 03:01:51 | extremis | must be getting it from that |
| 03:01:53 | kergoth | extremis: your sd is ext2, right? edit /etc/fstab change auto fs type to ext2 |
| 03:01:55 | extremis | what does 'user' do? |
| 03:02:08 | kergoth | extremis: lets ordinary users mount/unmount |
| 03:02:14 | kergoth | extremis: wont affect you here |
| 03:02:20 | extremis | it doesn't like that option though |
| 03:02:26 | extremis | shoudl I remove it? |
| 03:02:37 | kergoth | hmm go ahead |
| 03:03:11 | extremis | how do I keep everything but what is in rom on the sd? |
| 03:03:18 | kergoth | extremis: hmm? |
| 03:03:37 | extremis | where do user prefs get stored? |
| 03:03:38 | extremis | ram? |
| 03:03:44 | kergoth | extremis: flash by default. |
| 03:03:55 | extremis | good or bad idea? |
| 03:04:21 | kergoth | extremis: good in that it doesnt break things for all circumstances, but bad due to the large amount of reads/writes to flash |
| 03:04:58 | kergoth | extremis: e.g. if i make the user home dir /mnt/card/root, then things wont be happy if you boot without a sd in.. that sort of thing |
| 03:05:14 | kergoth | extremis: actually /mnt/ram/root would make a sane default, but then itd break for the nomtdram kerenl |
| 03:05:17 | kergoth | kernel too |
| 03:05:42 | extremis | kergoth: what if I never remove my sd |
| 03:05:56 | kergoth | extremis: thats fine.. i'm talking about defaults for the rom here.. |
| 03:06:22 | extremis | I want to put as much as possible on the sd |
| 03:06:25 | kergoth | extremis: for you, you could either symlink /root/Documents and /root/Applications to /mnt/card/root/Documents and /mnt/card/root/Applications .. or something simliar. |
| 03:06:26 | extremis | what shoudl I change in fstab? |
| 03:06:37 | kergoth | extremis: again thats only for user prefs. apps should be installed to sd properly |
| 03:06:43 | extremis | right |
| 03:06:57 | extremis | so /home and /root to sd |
| 03:07:02 | kergoth | extremis: I'll be doing a little gui app to change the path to the user prefs.. to make it easier |
| 03:07:12 | extremis | good idea |
| 03:07:12 | kergoth | extremis: nope, /root/Documents and /root/Applications to sd |
| 03:07:18 | extremis | why not the rest? |
| 03:07:25 | kergoth | extremis: remember, /home doenst mean what it does on the sharp rom. |
| 03:07:31 | kergoth | extremis: /home is just another path in flash |
| 03:07:32 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:07:40 | extremis | heh, I want to limit writes to flash |
| 03:07:54 | kergoth | doesnt matter. /home is empty in OZ |
| 03:07:59 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:08:04 | extremis | # ls /home |
| 03:08:04 | extremis | QtPalmtop root |
| 03:08:08 | kergoth | well it has a couple compatibility symlinks |
| 03:08:15 | kergoth | for stupid zaurus ipks |
| 03:08:30 | kergoth | i.e. apps that install to /home/QtPalmtop (incorrect) instead of /opt/QtPalmtop |
| 03:08:45 | extremis | why not /root/Settings also? |
| 03:09:02 | extremis | sounds like that would get written to somewhat |
| 03:09:57 | kergoth | ? |
| 03:10:01 | extremis | EXT2-fs: Unrecognized mount option user |
| 03:10:03 | extremis | heh, still |
| 03:10:04 | extremis | hrm |
| 03:10:23 | extremis | /dev/hda1 /mnt/cf auto noauto,user,owner 0 0 |
| 03:10:29 | extremis | but that one is mounted |
| 03:10:38 | extremis | /dev/hda1 124776 33068 91708 27% /mnt/cf |
| 03:10:40 | extremis | hrm |
| 03:10:48 | kergoth | cf ext2 or vfat? |
| 03:10:57 | extremis | cf is vfat |
| 03:11:02 | extremis | sd is ext2 |
| 03:11:06 | extremis | cf is mounted |
| 03:11:08 | extremis | sd is not |
| 03:11:09 | kergoth | remove user and owner from the opts for the sd device |
| 03:11:19 | extremis | this is what I have: /dev/mmcda1 /mnt/card ext2 noauto,owner 0 0 |
| 03:11:30 | extremis | ok, owner |
| 03:11:31 | extremis | duh |
| 03:12:25 | extremis | so its assumed default users have vfat? |
| 03:12:33 | kergoth | extremis: no, its not. |
| 03:12:38 | kergoth | extremis: thats why filesystem type is auto.. |
| 03:12:48 | extremis | they why is it broke for my ext2 filesystem? |
| 03:12:52 | kergoth | extremis: i didnt know user and owner werent supported by ext2, my mistake |
| 03:13:03 | kergoth | its a bug, not an assumption |
| 03:13:04 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:13:06 | extremis | ahh |
| 03:13:06 | extremis | ok |
| 03:13:48 | Nasa | hey kergoth: taling about installing apps, have you setup the network app to allow fo ra persistant gateway ip address? |
| 03:14:01 | extremis | EXT2-fs: Unrecognized mount option user |
| 03:14:02 | extremis | still |
| 03:14:12 | extremis | I don't know if that is related to this or not |
| 03:14:20 | extremis | but it is my only ext2 filesystem |
| 03:14:37 | kergoth | what the hell |
| 03:14:44 | extremis | thats post reboot |
| 03:14:46 | kergoth | extremis: do this.. |
| 03:15:04 | kergoth | extremis: run syslogd & klogd from konsole. |
| 03:15:06 | kergoth | extremis: then /etc/init.d/sd start.. then send me your /var/log/messages |
| 03:15:22 | mjb | hey, is the latest rom image on sharp's site, the latest and greatest? |
| 03:15:28 | mjb | 1.5.0-1 |
| 03:16:21 | extremis | damnit, can't scp |
| 03:16:58 | extremis | no big deal |
| 03:16:59 | extremis | copy paste |
| 03:17:53 | extremis | heh, I need a screensaver for this |
| 03:20:05 | ljp | screensaver for your Z? |
| 03:20:25 | extremis | yup, I'ms ure these are subject to burnin |
| 03:20:37 | extremis | when sitting at my desk forever |
| 03:20:50 | extremis | heh, I need to figure out how to setup an alert console for snort on my zaurus |
| 03:21:23 | ljp | there IS one.. |
| 03:21:42 | ljp | you just cant see it because the screen is off.. |
| 03:22:36 | warmi | the other day soembody mentioned mathematics software with a some sort of "girl-like name" ... it was a demo version , anyone remember its name ? |
| 03:23:22 | ljp | sherry |
| 03:23:26 | warmi | han |
| 03:23:28 | warmi | nah |
| 03:23:32 | warmi | something long |
| 03:23:32 | warmi | hehe |
| 03:23:40 | ljp | rapunsel |
| 03:23:45 | warmi | for the love of God .. I can't recall that name |
| 03:24:10 | ljp | ummm... Michelle? |
| 03:24:32 | warmi | cindirella - that's it !!! |
| 03:25:03 | warmi | or was it ... fuck, I am getting old |
| 03:25:21 | extremis | too much drugs |
| 03:25:28 | warmi | or not enough |
| 03:26:24 | warmi | yeah, that was it .. I found it http://www.cinderella.de/en/index.html |
| 03:28:01 | extremis | kergoth: zzZZz |
| 03:28:07 | ljp | ahhh the old rhyming worked |
| 03:28:35 | warmi | I quit smoking about one year ago .. I guess I got to go back .. it makes me sharper |
| 03:29:27 | extremis | heh |
| 03:29:29 | extremis | doubtful |
| 03:29:36 | extremis | just quit and I feel sharper |
| 03:30:00 | warmi | ljp: no , it did not .. English is not my first language and I don not pronounce Cindirella the way you do :- |
| 03:30:02 | warmi | hehe |
| 03:30:40 | warmi | look at this stuff from [ZAURUS-GENERAL] >> Please stay tuned for a follow-up contest. We are trying to see what else |
| 03:30:41 | warmi | can we do to help developers. |
| 03:30:43 | ljp | hahah oh ok.. :D |
| 03:30:54 | ljp | java |
| 03:31:22 | ljp | I can make a mean espresso... watch out |
| 03:31:31 | warmi | sounds like this "no one is left behind" liberal bullshit to me |
| 03:31:40 | warmi | we don't want anyone to feel "left out" |
| 03:31:50 | warmi | but that's fine with me :-) |
| 03:32:05 | extremis | Jun 11 23:33:53 zaurus daemon.err sdmgr[508]: No such file or directory |
| 03:32:06 | warmi | I am ready to win another Z any day |
| 03:32:43 | warmi | ljp: do you know Java ? |
| 03:33:09 | ljp | yepp.. drink it every day with a bunch of cream |
| 03:33:31 | extremis | insmod: /lib/modules/2.4.6-rmk1-np2-embedix/kernel/drivers/block/sharp_mmcsd_m: No such file or directory |
| 03:33:34 | extremis | thats the error |
| 03:33:35 | warmi | huh .. that's Starbucks ljp |
| 03:33:46 | warmi | heh |
| 03:33:50 | kergoth | extremis: update your kernel-modules and sdmmc packages. |
| 03:33:55 | kergoth | extremis: from the oz feed |
| 03:33:57 | | oz3 feed is at http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/feeds/3.0/ |
| 03:33:57 | kergoth | ibot: oz3 feed? |
| 03:34:12 | extremis | nevermind |
| 03:34:19 | extremis | I left off the .o |
| 03:34:25 | extremis | insmod: a module named sharp_mmcsd_m already exists |
| 03:34:30 | extremis | so its already inserted |
| 03:34:37 | ljp | no.. I know no java.. |
| 03:34:45 | extremis | # sdmgr |
| 03:34:45 | extremis | # grep sdmgr /var/log/messages |
| 03:34:48 | extremis | Jun 11 23:36:53 zaurus daemon.err sdmgr[528]: No such file or directory |
| 03:34:54 | extremis | waht can't sdmgr find? |
| 03:34:57 | warmi | alright, time to watch another soccer match .. this time I am going to watch French get their ass kicked ... that's always fun |
| 03:35:03 | warmi | see you tommorow |
| 03:35:50 | kergoth | extremisi'm not sure, check for a newer sdmmc and kernel modules packages like i said |
| 03:36:48 | extremis | heh, now I need it to route |
| 03:36:49 | extremis | bleh |
| 03:37:04 | extremis | time to figure out this winxp nat shit |
| 03:37:52 | ljp | shutters |
| 03:38:20 | extremis | its either that or through openbsd |
| 03:38:25 | extremis | and openbsd doesn't support it |
| 03:39:22 | kergoth | extremis: doesnt support what? |
| 03:39:51 | ljp | crashing |
| 03:40:06 | extremis | the zaurus |
| 03:40:10 | kergoth | ah |
| 03:40:11 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:43:01 | extremis | well that was relatively painless |
| 03:43:07 | extremis | lost all my established connections |
| 03:43:13 | extremis | but now my zaurus has 'net connectivity |
| 03:43:24 | extremis | how do I update? |
| 03:43:42 | ljp | update what? |
| 03:43:54 | extremis | <kergoth> extremisi'm not sure, check for a newer sdmmc and kernel modules packa |
| 03:44:20 | extremis | ipkg update |
| 03:44:21 | extremis | ipkg upgrade |
| 03:44:22 | extremis | ok |
| 03:44:26 | kergoth | extremis: yeah |
| 03:44:43 | extremis | Upgrading opie-base from 1.5.0-20020516.2 to 1.5.0-20020517.2 |
| 03:44:57 | ljp | try ipkg feed me sdmmc |
| 03:45:01 | extremis | Upgrading kernel-modules from 2.4.6-rmk1-np2-embedix-20011228-4 to 2.4.6-rmk1-np2-embedix-20011228-4b |
| 03:45:45 | mjb | hey um, all the promos and even the box tells me my 5500 has 64MB...but my system info (and df -k) tell me i only have 32MB |
| 03:45:53 | extremis | hrm, is there supposed to be data in /opt? |
| 03:45:55 | extremis | there is now |
| 03:46:00 | kergoth | mjb: there is a ramdisk |
| 03:46:38 | extremis | # ipkg feed me sdmmc |
| 03:46:38 | extremis | ipkg: unknown sub-command feed |
| 03:46:40 | extremis | heh |
| 03:46:41 | mjb | so it is using 32mb for swap or something? |
| 03:47:02 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:47:19 | extremis | Downloaded sdmmc as ./sdmmc_1.13-4_arm.ipk |
| 03:47:21 | extremis | neat |
| 03:47:44 | extremis | # ipkg install ./sdmmc_1.13-4_arm.ipk |
| 03:47:44 | extremis | Package sdmmc is already installed. |
| 03:47:46 | extremis | :( |
| 03:47:57 | kergoth | extremis: ipkg info sdmmc |
| 03:48:01 | kergoth | extremis: same version? |
| 03:48:14 | extremis | Package: sdmmc |
| 03:48:14 | extremis | Version: 1.13-4 |
| 03:48:15 | extremis | yes |
| 03:48:40 | extremis | how much does the 5000 sell for on ebay |
| 03:48:43 | extremis | I wanna buy me a 5500 |
| 03:49:09 | mjb | heh |
| 03:51:50 | extremis | so my sd will never automount |
| 03:52:29 | kergoth | extremis: ? we'll figure it out |
| 03:52:33 | kergoth | extremis: patience |
| 03:52:42 | extremis | I'm tired |
| 03:52:43 | kergoth | extremis: lsmod .. is the sharp sdmmc module loaded? |
| 03:52:47 | kergoth | extremis: heh, me too |
| 03:52:48 | kergoth | long day |
| 03:52:48 | extremis | rebooting... |
| 03:52:58 | extremis | hrm, no such file... |
| 03:53:00 | extremis | just a sec |
| 03:53:27 | kergoth | extremis: heh. no /sbin in your path? |
| 03:53:54 | extremis | of course it is |
| 03:54:08 | extremis | # echo $PATH |
| 03:54:12 | extremis | /bin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin |
| 03:55:02 | extremis | Jun 11 17:57:14 zaurus daemon.err sdmgr[426]: No such file or directory |
| 03:55:13 | extremis | sharp_mmcsd_m 26576 0 (unused) |
| 03:55:17 | extremis | its loaded |
| 03:55:28 | extremis | sdmgr is real descriptive |
| 03:55:31 | extremis | :) |
| 03:56:30 | kergoth | okay, so module is loaded, but sdmgr is still erroring? hrm |
| 03:56:38 | kergoth | stupid shit |
| 03:56:40 | extremis | yup |
| 03:56:53 | kergoth | you have strace installed? |
| 03:56:53 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:57:03 | extremis | nothing is installed |
| 03:59:51 | kergoth | well, if you install strace, you could killall sdmgr, strace sdmgr >log ... let it go until you see that message in /var/log/messages, then ctrl+c the strace and send me that.. the strace will show what file its trying to open |
| 03:59:52 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:59:54 | kergoth | stupid thing |
| 04:00:39 | kergoth | i couldve sworn i fixed that bug already |
| 04:00:43 | kergoth | grrrr |
| 04:00:52 | ljp | "you're in love with a computer sub-routine"? heh nice line |
| 04:01:19 | extremis | # ipkg download strace |
| 04:01:19 | extremis | Cannot find package strace. Check the spelling or perhaps run `ipkg update' |
| 04:01:21 | extremis | what is it? |
| 04:01:30 | extremis | or is it not in feed |
| 04:01:35 | extremis | or whatever it is called |
| 04:01:45 | kergoth | its not in the OZ feed, iirc its on the SF project |
| 04:02:52 | ljp | straps on his overie-alls and hops on the byte tracktor |
| 04:02:56 | extremis | I hope I don't have to do this again if the flash gets fubared |
| 04:03:13 | extremis | poweroff in the middle of write :) |
| 04:04:00 | kergoth | extremis: well if we can figure out wtf it cant find, we'll know the solution for next time. heh. |
| 04:04:04 | kergoth | agh brb |
| 04:06:09 | ljp | grrrrr -> yacc: Command not found |
| 04:07:24 | extremis | hrm,Configuring strace...Done |
| 04:07:56 | extremis | wowo a bunch of file not founds |
| 04:08:01 | ljp | dont know which is worse.. getting that error, or not having yacc |
| 04:15:15 | extremis | I want bsd on my zaurus |
| 04:15:18 | extremis | :) |
| 04:17:52 | kergoth | whee 2.5.18 built flawlessly with my newly altered irq handling .. nifty. |
| 04:18:09 | wembly | a zaurus running 2.5.18!? |
| 04:18:26 | kergoth | wembly: soon, i need to fix the framebuffer driver and see if it actually powers up the lcd |
| 04:18:27 | extremis | kergoth: dcc get |
| 04:18:40 | kergoth | extremis: timed out, try again |
| 04:18:58 | extremis | you are going to like it |
| 04:19:36 | wembly | ker: any of your patches getting integrated into the new kernels? |
| 04:19:39 | kergoth | extremis: jeeze, does it try enough libc6.so's? |
| 04:19:41 | kergoth | hehe |
| 04:20:08 | extremis | :) |
| 04:20:19 | kergoth | wembly: well thats why I'm taking my time with this and cleaning it up. i couldve had it booting a while ago |
| 04:20:39 | kergoth | wembly: I'm trying to follow the new conventions and interfaces in 2.5.18 so i can formulate a changeset for push to rmk's tree |
| 04:20:59 | kergoth | wembly: unfortunately I'm no kernel expert, I only dabble.. so its taking me longer than it should. hehe |
| 04:21:16 | wembly | *nods* |
| 04:21:19 | wembly | id offer to help |
| 04:21:32 | wembly | but i have a feeling itd take me longer to get upto speed then it would for you to do it all by yourself. |
| 04:21:41 | kergoth | I'm spending more time reading code trying to understand how this shit fits together than i am actually coding |
| 04:21:43 | wembly | btw |
| 04:21:49 | extremis | open("/lib/libc.so.6", O_RDONLY) = 3 |
| 04:21:51 | wembly | wtf is the dir /var/mnt/ide for? |
| 04:21:54 | extremis | finally finds it |
| 04:22:01 | kergoth | wembly: lol, good question |
| 04:22:23 | kergoth | extremis: yep.. hmm does /var/run/sdmgr.pid exist? |
| 04:22:25 | extremis | yes |
| 04:22:30 | kergoth | well i'm confused |
| 04:22:32 | kergoth | rereads |
| 04:22:34 | extremis | it has 503 in it |
| 04:22:42 | extremis | but the process isn't running |
| 04:23:04 | extremis | hrm, it forks |
| 04:23:09 | extremis | how do I make strace follow a fork |
| 04:23:30 | extremis | fork() = 520 |
| 04:23:30 | extremis | brk(0) = 0x13320 |
| 04:23:30 | extremis | brk(0x134a0) = 0x134a0 |
| 04:23:30 | extremis | --- SIGCHLD (Child exited) --- |
| 04:23:32 | kergoth | extremis: hm thats interesting, run ldconfig please |
| 04:23:40 | extremis | ldconfig: /usr/lib/libapm.so.1 is not a symbolic link |
| 04:23:41 | kergoth | extremis: ah shit.. i dunno offhand |
| 04:23:53 | kergoth | extremis: i hope we dont need to fire up gdb --pid... |
| 04:23:54 | kergoth | hehe |
| 04:24:09 | kergoth | this problem seems so small and fucking stupid to take so long to nail down |
| 04:24:10 | kergoth | hey fusion |
| 04:24:29 | extremis | fork() = 525 |
| 04:24:29 | extremis | brk(0) = 0x13320 |
| 04:24:29 | extremis | brk(0x134a0) = 0x134a0 |
| 04:24:29 | extremis | brk(0x14000) = 0x14000 |
| 04:24:33 | extremis | hrm, o sigchld |
| 04:24:35 | extremis | no |
| 04:24:44 | extremis | but 525 doesn't exist |
| 04:24:57 | kergoth | hrm |
| 04:24:57 | extremis | # more /var/run/sdmgr.pid |
| 04:24:57 | extremis | 525 |
| 04:25:25 | kergoth | /etc/init.d/sd stop .. rm -rf /var/run/sdmgr* .. killall sdmgr .. sdmgr; |
| 04:25:26 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:26:09 | extremis | # /etc/init.d/sd stop |
| 04:26:09 | extremis | Stop SD services:killall: /sbin/sdmgr: no process killed |
| 04:26:09 | extremis | # rm /var/run/sdmgr.pid |
| 04:26:10 | extremis | # killall sdmgr |
| 04:26:10 | extremis | killall: sdmgr: no process killed |
| 04:26:10 | extremis | # sdmgr |
| 04:26:21 | extremis | Jun 11 23:27:25 zaurus daemon.warn klogd: SD Driver Unloaded. |
| 04:26:21 | extremis | Jun 11 23:27:44 zaurus daemon.err sdmgr[539]: No such file or directory |
| 04:26:28 | extremis | hrm, I need to sd start |
| 04:27:19 | extremis | Jun 11 23:28:35 zaurus daemon.err klogd: sd : acmd [ 41 ] response [ 05 ] |
| 04:27:19 | extremis | Jun 11 23:28:35 zaurus daemon.warn klogd: SD Driver Initialized. |
| 04:27:19 | extremis | Jun 11 23:28:35 zaurus daemon.warn klogd: sharp_mmcsd 0.10 28 Dec 2001 |
| 04:27:19 | extremis | Jun 11 23:28:35 zaurus daemon.err sdmgr[554]: No such file or directory |
| 04:27:20 | kergoth | extremis: you're on 1.13-4 of sdmmc right? |
| 04:27:22 | extremis | yes |
| 04:27:41 | extremis | kergoth: remember my argument about functional out of the box :) |
| 04:27:43 | extremis | haha |
| 04:27:59 | kergoth | extremis: hehe. okay okay, someone needs to send me a sd card :-P |
| 04:28:10 | extremis | no doubt |
| 04:28:58 | extremis | who is writing the sd code? |
| 04:29:28 | kergoth | extremis: we dont have the source to sdmgr, or to the driver |
| 04:29:42 | extremis | :( |
| 04:29:57 | extremis | ok, so I need to follow this fork |
| 04:29:59 | extremis | help |
| 04:30:00 | extremis | :) |
| 04:30:27 | extremis | I'm surprised more haven't complained |
| 04:30:32 | extremis | I can't be that wrong :) |
| 04:30:51 | extremis | I'm going to reflash :) |
| 04:33:40 | CloudChaser | g'night everyone :) |
| 04:35:12 | Speedy2 | Night |
| 04:41:40 | whardier | just drank a bottle of suck |
| 04:41:46 | kergoth | ? |
| 04:42:05 | whardier | and toked up with the towing guy |
| 04:42:15 | whardier | had a broken transmission |
| 04:42:22 | whardier | I found this out while I was driving |
| 04:42:36 | whardier | I broke down in front aof a liquor store |
| 04:42:42 | whardier | :P |
| 04:42:46 | whardier | what a way to break down |
| 04:43:47 | whardier | is fully cider'd |
| 04:43:57 | whardier | and I rented a fun flick! |
| 04:44:32 | whardier | and payed a dude $45 dollars to talk about his smack infested youth and all the martial arts mistakes he has made in his life while he dragged my car across the town |
| 04:44:46 | whardier | :( |
| 04:45:02 | whardier | it is soon becomeing make sandwich and sit down and watch movie time |
| 04:45:24 | extremis | kergoth: no good |
| 04:45:36 | extremis | by default my zaurus does not run sdmgr after boot |
| 04:45:41 | extremis | with beta10 |
| 04:45:45 | extremis | how about you kergoth? |
| 04:45:50 | kergoth | extremis: hrm, hold, ill check |
| 04:46:39 | extremis | I just noticed that ont he right side of my zaurus the seams aren't very tight |
| 04:46:44 | extremis | and dust is starting to fill my zaurus |
| 04:46:50 | whardier | boohoo |
| 04:46:57 | whardier | use a diaper |
| 04:47:12 | CloudChaser | hey whardier ;) |
| 04:47:16 | CloudChaser | i have a question for you |
| 04:47:18 | extremis | whardier: heh, go smoke a bowl |
| 04:47:45 | CloudChaser | when i capture with kismet, how do i read the capture file? |
| 04:48:03 | extremis | CloudChaser: what 802.11 card do you have? |
| 04:48:09 | CloudChaser | dlink |
| 04:48:15 | extremis | $$$ ? |
| 04:48:20 | CloudChaser | 99.00 us |
| 04:48:25 | extremis | cool |
| 04:48:35 | CloudChaser | gets in the way but it works well |
| 04:48:35 | extremis | much better than the $179 us for the spectrum24 |
| 04:48:45 | CloudChaser | yes but that's more power friendly |
| 04:48:48 | extremis | what is your battery life when warwalking |
| 04:48:58 | CloudChaser | and doesn't get in the way of the stylus/headphone jack |
| 04:49:11 | CloudChaser | just got kismet going a little while ago thanks to kergoth ;) |
| 04:49:27 | CloudChaser | i have external battery pack.. with the CF wireless i'm lucky to get an hour |
| 04:49:30 | extremis | as soon as a I get a card I will be getting it working too |
| 04:49:48 | extremis | CloudChaser: with the external battery pack too? |
| 04:49:58 | CloudChaser | no that gives the z 3 charges |
| 04:50:09 | extremis | infos? |
| 04:50:13 | CloudChaser | i don't normally use cf when i'm out and about |
| 04:50:40 | extremis | I don't usually use my z when I'm out and about |
| 04:50:45 | CloudChaser | http://www.erwincomputers.com/digdpnimexba1.html |
| 04:50:50 | CloudChaser | i do ;) |
| 04:51:07 | CloudChaser | so with pack i should get 8 or more hours out of the z |
| 04:51:22 | CloudChaser | havn't put it to test yet |
| 04:51:47 | extremis | hrm, do you have to remove your battery to charge it? |
| 04:51:50 | CloudChaser | no |
| 04:51:59 | CloudChaser | and you can use your z while it charges |
| 04:52:03 | extremis | neat |
| 04:52:21 | extremis | I think I'm going to superglue the side of my z |
| 04:52:32 | Speedy2 | extremis: Use silicone glue |
| 04:52:39 | Speedy2 | It's removable and it's a good sealent |
| 04:52:41 | CloudChaser | super glue it? |
| 04:52:44 | kergoth | brb |
| 04:52:47 | CloudChaser | why? |
| 04:52:53 | extremis | its coming apart |
| 04:53:03 | extremis | and dust is filling my screen |
| 04:53:06 | CloudChaser | you bought used one? |
| 04:53:08 | extremis | nope |
| 04:53:13 | extremis | and I don't mistreat it |
| 04:53:22 | CloudChaser | how long have you had it? |
| 04:53:29 | extremis | hrm, 6 months |
| 04:53:39 | extremis | nah |
| 04:53:40 | extremis | since dec |
| 04:53:49 | extremis | yeah, 6 months |
| 04:53:51 | CloudChaser | ah |
| 04:54:20 | CloudChaser | well...i really need to get t bed..see you all later ;) |
| 04:55:07 | kergoth | hey hunger |
| 04:55:24 | whardier | dies |
| 04:57:36 | extremis | kergoth: so, whats the verdict |
| 05:02:10 | whardier | slaps extremis on the head with a gabel |
| 05:02:17 | extremis | heh |
| 05:02:22 | extremis | what did I do? |
| 05:02:47 | whardier | asked for the verdict |
| 05:02:54 | whardier | I went all judge judy on your ass! |
| 05:04:24 | extremis | well gnight |
| 05:06:43 | kergoth | extremis: night, i'll play with the sdmmc automounter stuff and keep ya posted |
| 05:09:05 | druiid | kergoth: yeah, sd automounting isn't working again ;) |
| 05:09:42 | kergoth | druiid: i couldve sworn i fixed it... |
| 05:09:46 | kergoth | ugh |
| 05:14:14 | whardier | night folks |
| 05:14:20 | whardier | go fuck a duck |
| 05:14:47 | kergoth | nah ill leave that to you |
| 05:14:48 | kergoth | night |
| 05:14:53 | whardier | has no duck |
| 05:15:02 | kergoth | aww |
| 05:15:11 | whardier | rented some movies :P |
| 05:15:19 | whardier | Out Cold |
| 05:15:27 | whardier | and Metropolis |
| 05:15:37 | whardier | I think I can understand Out Cold right now |
| 05:15:45 | whardier | oh well |
| 05:15:47 | whardier | if you got a duck |
| 05:15:52 | whardier | snuggle up tight! |
| 05:15:59 | whardier | and talk to it afterwards |
| 05:16:22 | whardier | ducks might not have lips.. but they have feelings too |
| 05:16:41 | whardier | is a tyro duck enthusiest |
| 05:17:09 | whardier | with obnoxiously clean teeth |
| 05:17:15 | whardier | bah.. humbug |
| 05:17:30 | whardier | heads for his lair if noggin licking kitties |
| 05:17:30 | kergoth | k im gonna reboot my desktop here |
| 05:17:31 | kergoth | brb |
| 05:27:01 | druiid | anyone have OZ working with a Linksys WCF11? |
| 05:31:03 | roge99 | druiid: yea Linksys WCF11 works fine here ( i have the older one ) |
| 05:31:24 | druiid | roge99: did you have to make any special config changes? |
| 05:31:38 | druiid | I'm having a hard time getting mine to sync. |
| 05:32:16 | roge99 | hmm not that i can remember ( i've been using oz since january and reflashed 100+ times ) |
| 05:32:33 | druiid | and are you using wep? |
| 05:32:48 | roge99 | no im not useing wep |
| 05:33:12 | druiid | okay.. then are you running it with an AP or is it being run in ad-hoc mode? |
| 05:33:46 | roge99 | druiid: i seem to remember somone saying somthing about the way the keys were stored it the file being differnt than sharps |
| 05:34:00 | roge99 | one had the colon and one didnt |
| 05:34:16 | roge99 | yea i have an ap |
| 05:34:19 | druiid | well.. I have WEP disabled for now.. |
| 05:34:30 | druiid | and you're positive you didn't have to touch any of the config files? |
| 05:34:42 | roge99 | no im not ... |
| 05:35:04 | druiid | hmm |
| 05:35:07 | roge99 | ive been upgrading from the feed .... so i havent flashed in a while |
| 05:35:59 | druiid | well.. I'll build from CVS.. maybe there's a change that was made since beta10 |
| 05:36:41 | roge99 | what is it doing ( or not doing ) |
| 05:37:06 | roge99 | does it see the card ? |
| 05:37:37 | druiid | it supposedly sees the card, but I can't get it to sync up |
| 05:38:09 | druiid | worked fine with Sharps distrib.. and I remember the last time I tried OZ I had to modify a config file or two to get it working even without WEP |
| 05:38:23 | roge99 | if you do an ifconfig eth0 do you have that interface |
| 05:38:31 | druiid | it's wlan0 |
| 05:38:43 | roge99 | nope |
| 05:39:04 | roge99 | used to be ... |
| 05:39:07 | roge99 | not anymore |
| 05:39:26 | druiid | well that's what it's listed as in ifconfig |
| 05:39:36 | roge99 | really ? |
| 05:39:40 | druiid | yep |
| 05:39:47 | roge99 | what rev of the card do you have |
| 05:39:54 | druiid | A |
| 05:40:05 | roge99 | hrmm ... so do i |
| 05:40:13 | roge99 | mine shows up as eth0 |
| 05:40:40 | druiid | maybe that's the problem.. something maybe was fixed since the version that was released on sourceforge. |
| 05:41:22 | roge99 | could be |
| 05:41:36 | roge99 | kergoth: you still here |
| 05:51:48 | druiid | mirrors the OZ feed onto the system the dock is connected to in hopes he can update stuff. |
| 06:00:57 | druiid | well.. i'll mess around.. bbl |
| 06:01:46 | bill2or3 | hrm |
| 06:02:03 | bill2or3 | circuit shitty has a good deal on 350vaups'en, if anyone needs one. |
| 06:02:30 | bill2or3 | $40-$30 rebate = $10 |
| 06:02:31 | bill2or3 | yay |
| 06:02:55 | W|GGL|T | 350what? |
| 06:03:09 | bill2or3 | 350 VA ups's |
| 06:03:12 | bill2or3 | heh |
| 06:03:59 | W|GGL|T | ahhh |
| 06:09:42 | bill2or3 | waits for Z's to drop under $400 |
| 06:10:39 | wembly | omg |
| 06:10:45 | wembly | wtf would you do with a 350va ups? |
| 06:11:09 | wembly | power your microwave your clock so it dosnt lose power when the power goes out?> |
| 06:11:14 | wembly | 350 is like... ungodly small. |
| 06:12:05 | bill2or3 | it'll work fine for the linux-iopener by the sofa |
| 06:12:22 | wembly | hehehe |
| 06:13:04 | bill2or3 | listens to something about the ISS |
| 06:13:06 | W|GGL|T | shit....OZ wont keep tim |
| 06:13:09 | W|GGL|T | e |
| 06:13:57 | bill2or3 | anyone get nasa-tv? |
| 06:23:10 | W|GGL|T | i think ill go back to the stock rom tomorrow |
| 06:23:35 | W|GGL|T | is away: I'm busy smoking a blunt or sleeping or something |
| 06:55:10 | wembly | wigglit: why not? |
| 06:56:19 | W|GGL|T | i cant get irda working and i keep losing time...not having those two working is bothering me |
| 09:19:33 | wembly | hello? |
| 09:19:38 | wembly | anyone actually alive? |
| 09:19:54 | tille | no |
| 09:19:57 | tille | ;-) |
| 09:20:41 | tille | whats up wembly? |
| 09:38:44 | | warmi was last seen on #zaurus 6 hours, 3 minutes and 41 seconds ago, saying: see you tommorow [Wed Jun 12 04:35:03 2002] |
| 09:38:44 | mark | ibot: seen warmi |
| 09:40:31 | Twiun | Morning mark |
| 09:50:43 | mark | hi Twiun |
| 09:53:04 | wembly | bored |
| 09:53:10 | wembly | and compiling kernel. |
| 09:53:12 | wembly | distracted hehe |
| 09:53:48 | wembly | why do half the people in this channel also join #opie? |
| 09:54:32 | tille | 'cause they probably use opie, wembly. |
| 09:56:50 | Twiun | And they're probably afraid they'll miss some nice juicy gossip |
| 09:57:50 | wembly | hehe |
| 09:57:57 | wembly | herm. |
| 09:57:59 | wembly | kernel's done |
| 09:58:03 | wembly | *hears a ding* hehe |
| 09:58:49 | wembly | whoa |
| 09:58:59 | wembly | 2.5's menuconfig is cleaned up |
| 10:02:42 | mark | wembly: coz we're opie devels? |
| 10:05:53 | wembly | mark: that could be too |
| 10:05:53 | wembly | hehe |
| 10:05:59 | wembly | opie is hella confuseing. |
| 10:06:22 | wembly | *needs to hack apart his system to stuff opie replacements for default things* |
| 10:06:41 | mark | or move to openzaurus |
| 10:07:01 | wembly | openzaurus dosnt have some things no? |
| 10:07:29 | mark | hmm, only beaming its missing atm, shall get it shortly |
| 10:26:47 | wembly | i might try it |
| 10:26:59 | wembly | but omg beaming is like.. hehe needed :) |
| 10:27:02 | wembly | why is it missing? |
| 10:27:15 | wembly | which is smaller oz or default? as far as uses the most space on the system? |
| 11:30:26 | wembly | is away. Automatically set away [SZon] |
| 12:08:29 | CloudChaser | 'mornin |
| 12:08:52 | Speedy2 | hey |
| 13:09:03 | Com[Plex] | hey uh.. are there any good map programs for the z? like "city streets" |
| 13:38:24 | mjb | how do i do esc on Z's kb? |
| 13:38:53 | CloudChaser | the cancel button |
| 13:39:14 | mjb | cool, thanks! |
| 13:39:26 | mjb | pretty tough to use vi w/out it :) |
| 13:39:39 | mjb | i kept having to bring up the sw kb |
| 13:40:35 | ljp | use emacs |
| 13:40:41 | mjb | heh |
| 13:40:46 | Twiun | or one of the gui editors |
| 13:40:55 | ljp | or sed |
| 13:41:00 | darienm | or SSH into the Z. |
| 13:41:25 | darienm | or FTP into the z. |
| 13:45:20 | ljp | or invent a brainwave accentuator and move the bits on the text with your mind ;) |
| 13:46:38 | Com[Plex] | hey uh.. are there any good map programs for the z? like "city streets" |
| 13:47:44 | Twiun | not yet... there seem to be a few pocketpc companies porting their products though |
| 13:48:30 | Com[Plex] | ah |
| 13:48:55 | Com[Plex] | hmm |
| 13:56:59 | wembly | people should give or sell or pointout the cheap deals on the 5000d's that people might be selling as they buy the 5500's |
| 13:57:22 | wembly | to increase the market share of the zaurus platform. |
| 14:07:32 | N0Remorse | heya is valentine.thekompany.com jabber server down? |
| 14:09:15 | kergoth | morning all |
| 14:10:40 | numatrix | morning |
| 14:11:07 | numatrix | Anybody know a good way to communicate with a laptop (either linux or windows) via IR from the zaurus? |
| 14:13:01 | ljp_work | Ir on the Z is mainly setup for beaming of individual files |
| 14:16:15 | numatrix | I noticed; heck, I'd even take a convienant way to beam a file back and forth. |
| 14:16:41 | numatrix | Mainly it's because I want to leave my cradle at home and beam files back and forth while at work so I can still upload to the zaurus without going downstairs and borrowing a friend's wireless card. |
| 14:17:46 | ljp_work | in the Settings tab there is a beam receive app.. |
| 14:19:34 | ljp_work | and to send files, you can do it by holding the stylus on a Documents tab icon.. or it can be initiated from a qcop call, I think |
| 14:28:31 | numatrix | Right; but I don't think that's compatible with (for example) sending, and receiving files with a win2k laptop. |
| 14:31:31 | ljp_work | its compatible with beaming files to/from pocketpc |
| 14:45:23 | numatrix | Yeah, but not from my laptop itself. I could sync it to my office mate's ipaq, then beam it to my zaurus, but that's a little convoluted. |
| 14:47:20 | ljp_work | well, there is no sync support through Ir |
| 15:01:58 | kajUk | Hi! Has anyone managed to compile the recent version of Qpose or had success with running the precompiled binary? |
| 15:02:01 | W|GGL|T | is back (gone 08:38:25) |
| 15:18:59 | warmi | hi |
| 15:20:10 | W|GGL|T | hello |
| 15:49:01 | jape | hey |
| 15:49:12 | Com[Plex] | http://me.256k.net/casemod/TUTORIALS/new_blocks/blocks4.jpg |
| 15:49:17 | Com[Plex] | man, those are pretty |
| 15:50:25 | jape | I've got two question about Sharps Zaurus: |
| 15:50:30 | Com[Plex] | ask |
| 15:50:52 | jape | (1) very often, my computer restarts, if I put on it the station |
| 15:50:59 | Com[Plex] | hehe. |
| 15:51:01 | jape | does anybody have same problem ? |
| 15:51:07 | Com[Plex] | sounds like a usb issue |
| 15:51:13 | Com[Plex] | you sure its plugged ni okay? |
| 15:51:23 | warmi | jape: you mean your desktop machine is restarting ? |
| 15:51:26 | Com[Plex] | I used to have that problem with a webcamera. |
| 15:51:29 | jape | i don't know :( |
| 15:51:37 | Com[Plex] | would reboot my PC all the time. drove me nuts |
| 15:51:41 | jape | all is restarting - full computerstart .. |
| 15:51:48 | Com[Plex] | could be a bad cable, or the cradles bunk |
| 15:51:53 | warmi | yeah, definately usb problem |
| 15:52:09 | Com[Plex] | contact tech support, OR, do what most of us here ahev done, and lost our cradles altogether |
| 15:52:21 | warmi | I had that with my scanner ... except instead of restarting it would pop up USB device found dialog every 10 seconds ... |
| 15:52:21 | Com[Plex] | I havent seen mine since january when I got my z |
| 15:52:27 | Com[Plex] | uugh |
| 15:52:29 | warmi | I had to replace my USB port |
| 15:52:33 | Com[Plex] | usb is a mouthy bitch aint she |
| 15:52:39 | jape | hmmm ... |
| 15:53:00 | warmi | jape: do you haver any other USB devices ? |
| 15:53:07 | jape | yes I have |
| 15:53:14 | warmi | do they work fine ? |
| 15:53:16 | Com[Plex] | disconnectem |
| 15:53:21 | jape | mouse (because I can't find my PS2-Connector :( ) |
| 15:53:29 | Com[Plex] | ahh. thats all. |
| 15:53:31 | Com[Plex] | thats nothin |
| 15:53:38 | warmi | mouse doesn't count :-) |
| 15:53:47 | jape | mouse don't work fine two because I've got a damaged Mandrake Linux (Mandrake was it, not me) |
| 15:54:27 | warmi | jape: I am pretty sure it is a problem with your destkop machine and not the ZAurus |
| 15:54:47 | jape | yes I think too ;) |
| 15:55:14 | jape | but nevertheless I want to solve it ;) |
| 15:55:19 | Com[Plex] | well jape. - considering how sloppy the Z's cradle is, its very easily assumed that its a malfunction of the cradle over usb, and yur computers inability to deal with it.- its probably getting a voltage spike or soemthing, wich would cause yuor computer to reboot. |
| 15:55:33 | jape | have anybody else same problem ? |
| 15:55:47 | warmi | if I were you I would try to hook your cradle to another machine and see if you can reproduce the same problem |
| 15:55:49 | Com[Plex] | its not the Z, but if I were you, I would ditch the cradle. get yourself a nic card |
| 15:55:56 | Com[Plex] | good call warmi |
| 15:56:05 | warmi | that is the only way to know for sure which one to blame |
| 15:56:35 | Com[Plex] | nods |
| 15:56:56 | warmi | as far as a nic card ... he is right ... I got myself a CF nic card for about $40 .. much better than cradle if you want to share/copy/move around files |
| 15:57:01 | jape | it don't restart always ... |
| 15:57:17 | jape | sometimes it operates |
| 15:58:10 | warmi | jape: as I said , it seems something specific to your setup ... either replace cradle and see if it helps or try to connect to another PC and see what happens .... I just don't know what else could you do |
| 15:58:19 | jape | hmmmm nic ... net bad ..... I deliberated about them ... |
| 15:58:33 | warmi | lan cards are cheap |
| 15:58:39 | warmi | only $40 or so |
| 15:58:58 | jape | hmmmm (german boy pays in Euro ;) ) |
| 15:59:18 | jape | hmmm okay ..... |
| 15:59:25 | warmi | $40 would be around 45 Euro or so |
| 15:59:31 | Com[Plex] | otehr way around |
| 15:59:36 | Com[Plex] | euros are worth more than usd now |
| 15:59:46 | jape | in what I must pay attention ? |
| 15:59:47 | warmi | well, oh ok .. but still it is close |
| 16:00:02 | warmi | jape: what do you mean ? |
| 16:00:31 | jape | hmm nic-card is without cable - right ? |
| 16:00:50 | jape | what connection is it ? |
| 16:01:23 | warmi | no I am talking about one with the cable |
| 16:01:33 | warmi | wireless are way more expensive |
| 16:01:41 | warmi | something like $100 |
| 16:02:43 | warmi | but again jape: have you tried to take your ZAurus back to the place where you bought it and have it tested there for possible cradle problems ? |
| 16:02:47 | Com[Plex] | jape, nic is With cable |
| 16:02:56 | Com[Plex] | 802.11 is wireless |
| 16:03:38 | jape | where can I see a card ? |
| 16:03:55 | kergoth | re |
| 16:04:23 | jape | hey 3kergoth |
| 16:04:26 | jape | -3 |
| 16:05:26 | warmi | hold one second jape |
| 16:05:57 | jape | yes I've got time ;) |
| 16:05:58 | warmi | jape:http://www.dalantech.com/cf-686.shtml |
| 16:06:39 | warmi | it works perfectly with the ZAurus .. I and some other people on this channel (NETron) use it as well |
| 16:07:19 | jape | how can I put on it ? |
| 16:07:52 | warmi | it goes into CF port |
| 16:08:34 | Com[Plex] | http://www.dalantech.com/cf-686.shtml |
| 16:08:47 | Com[Plex] | hats what I have |
| 16:08:58 | Com[Plex] | hawking, nic and wireless both |
| 16:09:48 | Com[Plex] | zaurus has built in support for it |
| 16:10:17 | Com[Plex] | I dont like the ugliness actor, but the performance is good. |
| 16:10:23 | Com[Plex] | I also got a modem. lol |
| 16:10:27 | Com[Plex] | regular 169$ |
| 16:10:32 | Com[Plex] | I got it for 33$ |
| 16:11:09 | warmi | a modem ? |
| 16:11:29 | warmi | heh |
| 16:12:00 | Com[Plex] | yeah, 56k even, it flys |
| 16:12:03 | Com[Plex] | flies |
| 16:12:10 | Com[Plex] | and its TINY |
| 16:12:30 | Com[Plex] | its got a dongle, but the card is no bigger than a cf flash |
| 16:12:37 | Com[Plex] | the dongles tiny too |
| 16:14:59 | Com[Plex] | its a casio, JK-711MC56 v.90 K56flex |
| 16:15:49 | Com[Plex] | this also worked instantly. plug it in, open up the internet wizard, select dialup account and presto |
| 16:17:58 | Twiun | Heya Jason |
| 16:17:58 | JasonNJ | morning/afernoon. |
| 16:18:02 | warmi | Complex: as far as modems.. I am waiting for a reasonable mobile plan |
| 16:18:07 | warmi | hi Jason |
| 16:18:31 | whardier | mornin alligators! |
| 16:18:35 | Com[Plex] | well, - I got it because it was 33$. and when I stay in hotels, - I can get online if they dont haev DSL |
| 16:18:38 | kergoth | morning all |
| 16:19:15 | whardier | ljp_work hmmm.. |
| 16:19:33 | ljp_work | was working earlier today |
| 16:20:00 | whardier | I think bind on that machine decided to go poopoo platter |
| 16:20:02 | whardier | brb |
| 16:21:19 | warmi | huh .. some guy on [ZAURUS-GENERAL] is claiming that IRC/AOL/MSN/YAHOO/ICQ chatting is a "niche application" hehe |
| 16:21:40 | whardier | woohoo |
| 16:21:45 | whardier | fast acting response aleuts |
| 16:22:14 | whardier | nope |
| 16:22:16 | whardier | bind on that thing is fine |
| 16:22:17 | whardier | wtf! |
| 16:22:25 | whardier | <hardwire> p2 host opie.us |
| 16:22:25 | whardier | <p2> Operation timed out |
| 16:22:51 | whardier | p2 host ns1.opie.us |
| 16:23:08 | whardier | Name Server: NS1.OPIE.US |
| 16:23:09 | whardier | Name Server: NS2.OPIE.US |
| 16:23:14 | whardier | that switched over |
| 16:23:24 | JasonNJ | theres an opie.us domain? |
| 16:23:25 | whardier | err.. well.. it should have the other day |
| 16:23:29 | whardier | yeah |
| 16:23:44 | whardier | and I don't think 000domains likes me |
| 16:24:49 | ljp_work | hehehe probably not me either |
| 16:25:02 | JasonNJ | where can one get a copy of easygallery that is used on the handhelds.org site? |
| 16:25:33 | JasonNJ | ah I found it. |
| 16:25:43 | Harlekin | ljp_work: more important is the opie.info site .-) |
| 16:25:50 | ljp_work | hehe |
| 16:25:51 | Harlekin | since its the new major page |
| 16:26:09 | Harlekin | since with have 8/10th off the devel staff in germany |
| 16:26:11 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 16:26:12 | ljp_work | an dsince that one resolves.. ;) |
| 16:26:39 | numatrix | is qpose 3.5.0.1 supposed to be any faster than the previous version? |
| 16:26:55 | treke | someone translate the ste to english :) |
| 16:26:56 | jape | puhhh ..... LAN CF-Karte 59,00 EUR <-- is that's ? |
| 16:26:58 | ljp_work | I want to put up an x86 feed also |
| 16:27:18 | numatrix | I spent an entire class period getting it working before, and promptly uninstalled it after using it for about 5 minutes. I think I'll wait until everyone starts saying how it's full speed before I try again. |
| 16:27:23 | Harlekin | ljp_work: we wanted to supply a x86 knoppix version .-) |
| 16:27:29 | warmi | jape: yeah , that is it |
| 16:27:35 | y0ssarian | numatrix: hey jordan, it's phil |
| 16:27:47 | warmi | jape: fo you have any sort of network at your place ? |
| 16:27:58 | Harlekin | JasonNJ: and we talked to Sharp / germany at linuxtag |
| 16:28:03 | Harlekin | JasonNJ: was really funny |
| 16:28:11 | warmi | like two computers , possibly a hub .. |
| 16:28:12 | Harlekin | JasonNJ: especially the bluetooth issue |
| 16:28:13 | Harlekin | ,-) |
| 16:28:19 | whardier | ibot nslookup ns1.opie.us |
| 16:28:19 | | ns1.opie.us is 209.161.173.164 |
| 16:28:23 | whardier | ibot nslookup www.opie.us |
| 16:28:25 | jape | I've got 100 MB |
| 16:28:30 | ljp_work | Harlekin: nice.. I was planning on doing an openzaurus/opie dev cd with the env allset and ready to go from cd |
| 16:28:32 | whardier | that is just fucked up |
| 16:28:35 | jape | ähm .... not koaxial ... |
| 16:28:38 | jape | AJ45 .. |
| 16:28:52 | Harlekin | ljp_work: look at knoppix |
| 16:29:21 | ljp_work | thats customizable? |
| 16:29:36 | Harlekin | ljp_work: yes |
| 16:29:43 | | I can't find that machine name |
| 16:30:22 | warmi | jape: but you do know about how the network work, how to connect your Z to your computer using network cable etc ? |
| 16:30:42 | JasonNJ | Harlekin: I dont know any of the Sharp Germany people. |
| 16:30:53 | Harlekin | JasonNJ: marketing drones |
| 16:31:09 | Harlekin | JasonNJ: for example they wanted to do a devel workshop on saturday |
| 16:31:17 | Harlekin | JasonNJ: but had to leave on Fr evening |
| 16:31:27 | Harlekin | JasonNJ: since suddenly _all_ got sick |
| 16:31:29 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 16:31:34 | Harlekin | whoever believes that |
| 16:31:45 | warmi | anyone got url to german equivlent of myzaurus.com ? |
| 16:31:53 | ljp_work | Harlekin: iso available? |
| 16:32:03 | Harlekin | warmi: killefiz.de |
| 16:32:17 | warmi | nah .. I mean the official one |
| 16:32:19 | Harlekin | ljp_work: kind of, look at the page for build instruktions |
| 16:32:20 | fusion94 | JasonNJ: mornihng |
| 16:32:41 | jape | ähmmm ... I learn it ;) |
| 16:32:54 | Harlekin | JasonNJ: and vleutooth, sharp takes till september to get bluetooth out, I am sure, thats because they are right now writing the 4th bluetooth stack for linux |
| 16:32:55 | jape | but I can imagine, how it's operate ... |
| 16:32:56 | warmi | once I got an email from them asking if they can have zcheckers listed tehre or something like that ... I lost that email |
| 16:33:05 | Harlekin | JasonNJ: meanwhile bleutooth is allready working on zaurus |
| 16:33:15 | Harlekin | JasonNJ: with bluez and non sharp devices |
| 16:33:22 | Harlekin | JasonNJ: good marketing strategy |
| 16:33:23 | jape | are you german @warmi ? |
| 16:33:26 | JasonNJ | yes, it is. |
| 16:33:31 | warmi | jape: yeah .. I used it all the time - much better than cradle |
| 16:33:37 | warmi | jape: no |
| 16:34:09 | fusion94 | warmi: kanadian ? |
| 16:34:11 | whardier | ibot nslookup www.opie.us |
| 16:34:11 | | www.opie.us is 209.161.173.162 |
| 16:34:12 | whardier | :P |
| 16:34:12 | fusion94 | :P |
| 16:34:21 | whardier | there ljp.. fixed |
| 16:34:28 | warmi | fusion94: wtf ?? Canadian ???? |
| 16:34:30 | warmi | lol |
| 16:34:37 | jape | because you asked of germand translation of my... |
| 16:34:39 | jape | ;)# |
| 16:34:47 | ljp_work | Harlekin: there are iso's |
| 16:34:58 | warmi | jape: no I asked about german zaurus site |
| 16:35:08 | Harlekin | ljp_work: yes, and howtomake instruktions |
| 16:35:12 | warmi | cause I was there once and I wanted to go again .. but I lost the URL |
| 16:35:16 | Harlekin | warmi: the official is zaurus.de |
| 16:35:18 | jape | www.zaurus.de |
| 16:35:33 | Harlekin | warmi: but they make their own software site, instead of also using handago |
| 16:35:34 | warmi | yeah, that is the one |
| 16:35:36 | warmi | thanks |
| 16:35:38 | Harlekin | warmi: very developer hostile |
| 16:35:43 | jape | but it's not same site .. it's another (and it's very bad I think ...) |
| 16:36:01 | warmi | Harlekin: well, handango is German hostile in the sense that it uses English and is US oriented |
| 16:36:03 | warmi | :-) |
| 16:36:15 | jape | ähmm ... I've got a new question ... |
| 16:36:23 | warmi | what's that jape |
| 16:36:31 | jape | I can't start qtopiadesktop as normal user ... (jape) |
| 16:36:35 | jape | only as root |
| 16:36:56 | numatrix | is back (gone 18:51:47) |
| 16:36:57 | fusion94 | warmi: well htats what JasonNJ told me |
| 16:36:59 | Harlekin | warmi: no |
| 16:37:08 | Harlekin | warmi: handago is multilanguage |
| 16:37:14 | Harlekin | warmi: if you want |
| 16:37:19 | jape | this error is shown: |
| 16:37:21 | jape | Logging in as user root |
| 16:37:21 | jape | pure virtual method called |
| 16:37:21 | jape | Abgebrochen |
| 16:37:28 | warmi | oh sorry, maybe someone else will step in to answer that question , I haven't used Qtopiadesktop |
| 16:38:09 | warmi | Harlekin: is it ? hmm .. anyway, seems like zaurus.de is simply oriented toward german speaking folks |
| 16:38:19 | Harlekin | warmi: .de <- |
| 16:38:21 | warmi | I don't see anything wrong with it |
| 16:38:24 | Harlekin | warmi: suprise ,-) |
| 16:38:29 | whardier | this is awesome.. I am so pissed at waking up! |
| 16:38:33 | Harlekin | warmi: sno software there |
| 16:38:48 | warmi | Harlekin: are you German ? |
| 16:39:02 | warmi | fusion94: I have nothing against Canadians ... I was just kidding :-) |
| 16:39:18 | Harlekin | warmi: yes |
| 16:39:23 | Harlekin | warmi: but i dont have a zaurus |
| 16:39:30 | Harlekin | warmi: if that is the second question |
| 16:39:35 | warmi | hehehe |
| 16:39:38 | jape | who are german ????? please notify |
| 16:39:43 | jape | notify ;) |
| 16:39:43 | warmi | you read my mind |
| 16:39:53 | warmi | hehe |
| 16:40:08 | Harlekin | jape: yo |
| 16:40:46 | warmi | fusion94: I am half Polish ( my mother) half German ( my father) with US citizenship living in ( of course) US |
| 16:40:47 | warmi | hehe |
| 16:41:07 | fusion94 | warmi: sure thats what they all say :P |
| 16:41:40 | jape | aha ..... |
| 16:41:44 | warmi | ok .. so I am half German, half Polish .. is that better ? |
| 16:41:46 | warmi | lol |
| 16:43:46 | ljp_work | I'm 100% human |
| 16:43:51 | kergoth | liar |
| 16:43:58 | whardier | you are 1/4 spencer |
| 16:44:00 | ljp_work | earthling human no doubt |
| 16:44:00 | warmi | "Für Entwickler hat Sharp ein attraktives Programm gestartet, so daß Zaurus-Besitzer sich schon auf viele, neue Anwendungen freuen dürfen." |
| 16:44:06 | whardier | which makes you a liar |
| 16:44:06 | warmi | this is what I am interested in |
| 16:44:08 | warmi | lol |
| 16:44:25 | warmi | I wonder if that program has already started .. |
| 16:46:24 | Harlekin | warmi: it is sooo attractive |
| 16:46:31 | Harlekin | warmi: you do not even get a devel unit |
| 16:46:41 | warmi | I thought you did |
| 16:47:07 | Harlekin | warmi: 18:43 < Harlekin> warmi: but i dont have a zaurus |
| 16:47:15 | ljp_work | bbiab |
| 16:48:34 | warmi | I did not mean you personally, but people who signed up for that program |
| 16:49:31 | Harlekin | no |
| 16:49:34 | Harlekin | only from the contest |
| 16:49:36 | warmi | but never mind then .. seems like you have aversion toward zaurus.de |
| 16:49:37 | Harlekin | it is very unattraktive |
| 16:49:45 | Harlekin | warmi: no |
| 16:49:48 | Harlekin | warmi: not zaurus ,de |
| 16:49:58 | whardier | is getting magically pissylicious |
| 16:50:16 | whardier | I woke up today.. and everything broke |
| 16:50:20 | whardier | I should have slept |
| 16:50:59 | warmi | yeah, me too .. |
| 16:51:20 | Harlekin | warmi: but i think they get the idea slowly, at least they wanted to do a devel workshop |
| 16:51:23 | Harlekin | warmi: at linuxtag |
| 16:51:27 | warmi | instead I was sitting till 3 AM watching world cup hehe |
| 16:51:34 | Harlekin | warmi: but all got "sick" before they could do it |
| 16:52:32 | Harlekin | warmi: where did you read the sentence? |
| 16:52:50 | warmi | the German one ? |
| 16:54:34 | zecke | hi where to I get the Embeddix cross compile arm toolchain? |
| 16:54:55 | Harlekin | warmi: yes |
| 16:55:10 | warmi | I was just surprized you were complaining about zaurus.de because I have seen some British folks complaining about Sharp-UK anf wishing it would be more like zaurus.de |
| 16:55:11 | warmi | hehe |
| 16:55:19 | Harlekin | zecke: did you knew that sharp .de has a "very attractive development programm" ?? |
| 16:55:26 | warmi | http://www.zaurus.de/ |
| 16:55:33 | warmi | right there , on the front page |
| 16:55:41 | Harlekin | warmi: excapt page |
| 16:55:42 | Harlekin | hmm |
| 16:55:54 | Harlekin | warmi: tnx |
| 16:55:58 | warmi | last paragraph |
| 16:56:11 | warmi | third bullet point |
| 16:56:16 | Harlekin | warmi: ah, that sentence is new |
| 16:56:35 | ljp_work | can anyone see this page? http://www.opie.us/ |
| 16:56:49 | warmi | yeah |
| 16:56:52 | [DrEvil] | I can see the link |
| 16:56:59 | [DrEvil] | should I click on it? |
| 16:57:27 | warmi | ljp: works great |
| 16:58:06 | warmi | oh .. actually it does switch to german if you click on "screenie" link |
| 16:58:11 | JasonNJ | I can see it |
| 16:59:22 | JasonNJ | screenies sounds very german |
| 16:59:36 | JasonNJ | der screenies |
| 16:59:42 | extremis | teenie screenies :) |
| 16:59:56 | Harlekin | JasonNJ: hehe, since he just took our opie.info page |
| 17:00:09 | extremis | JasonNJ: upgrade program for sl5kd owners? |
| 17:00:12 | Harlekin | ljp_work: please put a (c) by harlekin on the page .-) |
| 17:00:14 | extremis | tell me its complete |
| 17:00:22 | warmi | hehe |
| 17:00:33 | JasonNJ | opie, opie uber alles |
| 17:00:45 | JasonNJ | uber alles en der PDA |
| 17:00:53 | Harlekin | Ü |
| 17:01:04 | JasonNJ | yeah my keyboard doesnt do that |
| 17:01:07 | Harlekin | JasonNJ: and especially ON all pdas |
| 17:01:21 | ljp_work | Harlekin: notice the title in the titlebar |
| 17:01:21 | JasonNJ | we need a theme song |
| 17:01:23 | Harlekin | JasonNJ: ipaq, zaurus, psion, agenda, tuxscreen, so far |
| 17:01:32 | Harlekin | ljp_work: which titlebar |
| 17:01:38 | JasonNJ | Opie runs on a psion?? |
| 17:01:38 | ljp_work | www.opie.us |
| 17:01:43 | JasonNJ | and agenda? |
| 17:01:55 | Harlekin | partly |
| 17:02:01 | JasonNJ | what I really want is us to do a palm port on the new hardware |
| 17:02:12 | zecke | JasonNJ: I run Opie on AgendaVr3 |
| 17:02:22 | ljp_work | familiar? |
| 17:02:31 | warmi | JasonNJ: you mean their upcoming ARM based Palms ? |
| 17:02:40 | Harlekin | wait until you see the new opiefamiliar with busybox |
| 17:02:41 | JasonNJ | yes on the arm ones |
| 17:02:56 | JasonNJ | does it run well on a VR3? |
| 17:02:56 | Harlekin | JasonNJ: i said so far |
| 17:03:05 | Harlekin | JasonNJ: not mentioning the "nda" once |
| 17:03:18 | ljp_work | signed up for new palm developer, even tho he has no device |
| 17:03:32 | zecke | JasonNJ: it's acceptable for my first rom version |
| 17:04:08 | JasonNJ | I was thinking once my job here at sharp is done, to form a company like a Redhat that sells linux distros with tech support for PDA's |
| 17:04:23 | ljp_work | hmm thats MY idea |
| 17:04:26 | whardier | can I be an employee? |
| 17:04:27 | JasonNJ | however, the difference would be, that we would openly support opie |
| 17:04:33 | extremis | and bsd |
| 17:04:52 | JasonNJ | whardier: this is just at the thinking about stage. I have a ton of work here at Sharp still do do |
| 17:04:54 | whardier | JasonNJ I will do all the graphics for money! |
| 17:04:56 | kergoth | heh. openzaurus on a larger scale |
| 17:05:00 | kergoth | whee |
| 17:05:16 | whardier | needs to start selling pingizauru shirts in germany |
| 17:05:22 | ljp_work | hehehe |
| 17:05:36 | whardier | then it can go into my swiss bank account |
| 17:05:43 | zecke | Harlekin: hopefully whardier doesn't sue you |
| 17:05:51 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:05:52 | ljp_work | whardier astart your own cafepress |
| 17:05:52 | whardier | its a GPL design |
| 17:06:01 | JasonNJ | opie could really explode on the Palm platform |
| 17:06:02 | Harlekin | zecke for what? |
| 17:06:03 | whardier | no offense |
| 17:06:10 | JasonNJ | since the new units will be cheap and easy to get. |
| 17:06:10 | whardier | but cafepress shirts are not that high quality |
| 17:06:24 | zecke | Harlekin: of producing these Opie PoloShirts |
| 17:06:25 | whardier | or do they actually silk the designs on now? |
| 17:06:35 | Harlekin | whardier: seen pics of us wearing the shirts i told you? |
| 17:06:39 | JasonNJ | you'd have to come up with a software program that backs up and restores the Palm ROM on command, though. |
| 17:06:41 | Harlekin | zecke: i asked him |
| 17:06:54 | ljp_work | whardier: how much till www.opie.us runs out of space? |
| 17:07:18 | treke|laptop | JasonNJ : Wouldnt palms be a tiny bit underpowered? |
| 17:07:30 | JasonNJ | treke|laptop: not the ARM based ones. |
| 17:07:47 | treke|laptop | ah. I was thinking the old 16mhz ones :) |
| 17:07:56 | whardier | /dev/sda10 31G 5.0G 24G 17% /usr |
| 17:07:59 | whardier | its gonna take a while |
| 17:08:01 | JasonNJ | no, forget the old ones. |
| 17:08:06 | JasonNJ | the new ones will be out in the fall. |
| 17:08:14 | treke|laptop | oh really? |
| 17:08:29 | whardier | home -> usr/home/ |
| 17:08:33 | JasonNJ | what my friends at Palm tell me. |
| 17:08:38 | ljp_work | whardier: not if I stick iso's on their |
| 17:08:58 | whardier | then I will move you over to another server.. howmany ficking iso's? |
| 17:09:00 | whardier | and for what |
| 17:09:02 | whardier | its a god damn pda |
| 17:09:17 | ljp_work | bootable dev cd of course |
| 17:09:29 | whardier | so |
| 17:09:32 | whardier | 640 megs? |
| 17:09:36 | whardier | how many of them? |
| 17:09:40 | ljp_work | 1 |
| 17:09:50 | whardier | 640 megs != 24 gigs |
| 17:09:55 | ljp_work | I just asked, cause I'd like to do that |
| 17:09:59 | whardier | go ahead |
| 17:10:13 | whardier | I am gonna move it to a high bandwidth area in a week |
| 17:10:25 | ljp_work | ya too bad my upload is capped by QWorst |
| 17:10:44 | whardier | heh |
| 17:11:11 | Harlekin | ljp_work: use opie.info .-) |
| 17:11:39 | JasonNJ | there are going to be a few problems with teh plams, mainly that they wont be using CF, I think, just SD and the proprietary palm connector. |
| 17:11:57 | JasonNJ | so rom updates might be a pain in the ass depending on how the bootloader works. |
| 17:12:20 | JasonNJ | also WIFI will be a pain, you'd need a bluetooth card or WIFI for SD. |
| 17:12:27 | Harlekin | JasonNJ: youre still working for sharp? |
| 17:12:39 | JasonNJ | Harlekin: as a consultant, yes. |
| 17:12:42 | Harlekin | ah |
| 17:12:50 | warmi | hehe |
| 17:13:33 | JasonNJ | its actually in Sharp's itnerest to see the other OPIE/Qtopia platforms succeed because it means more apps and it validates their decision to go Linux. |
| 17:15:02 | treke|laptop | I doubt palm wouldbe to happy about though |
| 17:15:32 | warmi | they woudn't care ... as long as people buy their devices |
| 17:16:10 | JasonNJ | Linux would be the only OS that could take advantage of their new hardware anyways. |
| 17:16:22 | JasonNJ | all of the Palm OS 5 apps run under dragonball emulation |
| 17:16:50 | treke|laptop | warmi : they'd lose out on licensing the palmos |
| 17:17:12 | JasonNJ | actually I could see Linux Distros for palm being more popular than desktop linux distros. |
| 17:17:45 | JasonNJ | especially if they provided capabilities Palm OS or Pocket PC did not. |
| 17:17:56 | JasonNJ | especially for enterprise/business use |
| 17:18:03 | warmi | treke: yeah., on the other hand I don';t know their plans .. are they planning to become MS of PDAs or are they hoping to continue to be hardware company ? |
| 17:18:26 | JasonNJ | Palm Inc is now separate from PalmSource |
| 17:18:35 | JasonNJ | one is a hardware company, one is software |
| 17:19:33 | warmi | do you know which one generates more income ? |
| 17:19:35 | zecke | JasonNJ: Distributions for Desktops is a no win business. I don't think that will change for PDAs |
| 17:20:04 | JasonNJ | zecke: PDA's are different because mobile technology is a relativlely new thing. |
| 17:20:13 | JasonNJ | Desktop OSes have been around for 15 years |
| 17:20:22 | kergoth | not to mention opie helps hide the complexity of a linux system more than X does, for the end user |
| 17:20:22 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:20:45 | JasonNJ | also, a lot of mobile apps use homegrown code, and have vertical uses. |
| 17:20:47 | zecke | JasonNJ: On LT I was asked why should somebody buy a Lisa Distri when you can download everything from the Internet |
| 17:20:48 | warmi | zecke: not to mention the fact that pdas are much more predictable hardwarewise then your average Dekstop |
| 17:21:01 | warmi | not problems with drivers etc .. everythjing is known ahead of time |
| 17:21:26 | kergoth | that too |
| 17:21:27 | JasonNJ | zecke: any company involved with doing linux distros for PDA's would need to have a very vertical focus with most of its revenue based on custom programming. |
| 17:21:46 | JasonNJ | or, licenses it out to PDA makers. :)) |
| 17:22:08 | warmi | kergoth: do you own any other PDAs beside Zaurus ? |
| 17:22:19 | kergoth | warmi: nope |
| 17:22:27 | JasonNJ | even Redhat's business is really based on integration services, not boxed copy sales. |
| 17:23:39 | warmi | so was Lineo's :-) |
| 17:23:54 | JasonNJ | warmi: yup. |
| 17:24:18 | warmi | are they truly dead ? |
| 17:24:27 | JasonNJ | for now, theyre alive. |
| 17:25:16 | JasonNJ | Lineo is different in that they are trying to make all their income off their toolsets, and licensing the qtopia/linux stack to manufacturers. |
| 17:25:30 | JasonNJ | they arent really an application development shop for doing contract programming work. |
| 17:26:03 | JasonNJ | there are lots of industries that need specialized handheld apps. |
| 17:26:08 | warmi | right, they were basically competing against MS or Palm OS division |
| 17:26:15 | JasonNJ | Medical, Legal, Industrial, Manufacturing, retailm etc. |
| 17:27:14 | JasonNJ | we have lots of those kinds of people coming to sharp for integrator solutions for the Z, but nobody has really come to bat to do that kind of work yet. |
| 17:27:44 | JasonNJ | Once such company is buying over 1000 Z's in a trial for the railroad industry, of all things. |
| 17:27:55 | warmi | hehehe |
| 17:28:07 | JasonNJ | and wants to role out several thousand units next year. |
| 17:28:07 | JasonNJ | all feild service related stuff. |
| 17:28:09 | ljp_work | B2B is the way to go |
| 17:29:26 | warmi | hmm, I am in the wrong market with my Puzz-le then |
| 17:29:27 | warmi | heh |
| 17:29:44 | zecke | any one here got an official sharp Zaurus rom installed? |
| 17:29:54 | JasonNJ | actually if anything else games is going to sell teh zaurus in the consumer space |
| 17:30:13 | JasonNJ | Did Neo make any progress with DOOM? |
| 17:30:15 | treke|laptop | go Neo! |
| 17:30:19 | treke|laptop | he gave up |
| 17:30:24 | JasonNJ | really? |
| 17:30:30 | treke|laptop | It didnt interest him much. |
| 17:30:31 | JasonNJ | someone should take ownership of it |
| 17:30:44 | warmi | yeah, I know ... on the other hand custom apps for specialized stuff like that railroad trial will be the way to make money |
| 17:30:49 | KhensU_work | zecke: yes |
| 17:31:06 | Hellaenergy | screw DOOM do Quake |
| 17:31:27 | JasonNJ | Hellaenergy: we'd need to really tweak the hell out of the Quake code to make it run acceptably. |
| 17:31:40 | zecke | KhensU_work: what does it do if you want to receive files over IrDa? What does the App in settings do? |
| 17:31:52 | zecke | KhensU: does it come up with a gui? |
| 17:31:54 | treke|laptop | JasonNJ : Some of the tweaks could probably be taken from pocketQuake, in ce |
| 17:31:56 | warmi | surely it CAN be done since there are working implementations available for PPC ( and working quite well) |
| 17:32:15 | treke|laptop | since it is GPL |
| 17:32:33 | warmi | treke: how do you know Neo gave up on his Doom port ? |
| 17:32:55 | treke|laptop | warmi : He mentioned it in here. He wanted someone else to take over |
| 17:33:19 | JasonNJ | warmi: you should take ownership |
| 17:33:34 | warmi | JasonNJ: nah .. I have literally 3 projects going on now |
| 17:33:48 | warmi | I hardly have time as it is |
| 17:33:50 | JasonNJ | 3 zaurus projects besides puzz-le? |
| 17:34:07 | warmi | ZDiary, ZChess and ASM class for fast blitting |
| 17:34:33 | JasonNJ | warmi: is that ASM class usable with SDL? |
| 17:34:45 | KhensU_work | zecke: the app in settings allows you to set automatic or manual beam reception and a button to start beam reception. |
| 17:34:52 | warmi | not to mention NFDB which is National Food Database I just finished - database of 5000 foods with all kinds of info for each , calories etc .. |
| 17:35:06 | JasonNJ | warmi: the food database sounds cool. |
| 17:35:23 | warmi | JasonNJ: no it will be standalone class just for blitting - if Neo wants to incorporate the code into SDL then fine |
| 17:35:44 | JasonNJ | warmi: how much faster would it be than existing SDL blitting performance? |
| 17:35:57 | JasonNJ | anyways, what exactly would you use fast blittting for? |
| 17:35:58 | zecke | KhensU: and then? |
| 17:36:05 | warmi | I think it will be around 50% up to twice as fast |
| 17:36:06 | zecke | KhensU: how is manual working? |
| 17:36:36 | warmi | JasonNJ: ARM cpu offers way to blit 50-60 bytes with a single instruction ... |
| 17:36:36 | JasonNJ | are we talking overall screen writes or for specific functions |
| 17:36:45 | warmi | this kind of stuff is impossible to do in C |
| 17:36:58 | warmi | it is purely ARM specific |
| 17:37:50 | warmi | JasonNJ: this class will access QFRameBuffer to do fast direct blit .. in fact many blits .. like alpha blit, transparency blit etc |
| 17:38:19 | warmi | I am doing this in part to see how fast I can go with using ARM asm |
| 17:38:25 | warmi | sort of like my little pet project |
| 17:39:10 | whardier | ljp_work http://home.gci.net/~dpharris/dumb_tourist_faq.htm |
| 17:39:52 | ljp_work | hehe |
| 17:40:10 | ljp_work | "at what altitude do deer turn into elk" |
| 17:40:13 | warmi | as far as the food database ... it was first test-[project with using sqlite |
| 17:40:32 | warmi | I don't know if anyone around here used sqlite but it is embedded SQL compatible database |
| 17:40:34 | JasonNJ | how quick does sqllit run on the Z? |
| 17:40:42 | warmi | great for PDAs etc |
| 17:40:48 | warmi | very fast |
| 17:40:49 | JasonNJ | better than mysql? |
| 17:40:55 | whardier | hehe |
| 17:40:58 | warmi | I don't know about that |
| 17:41:09 | warmi | but mysql is server based |
| 17:41:10 | whardier | 26. "Where are all the penguins?"(Joe Sonneman) |
| 17:41:13 | JasonNJ | I wonder if Php/apache can be made to talk to sqlite |
| 17:41:23 | warmi | this one is more like an Access style, file based no need to run separate server |
| 17:41:45 | warmi | http://www.hwaci.com/sw/sqlite/ |
| 17:42:10 | KhensU_work | zecke: just went to test it, if you push the start button it turns into a stop button. once it picks up something it shows a screen about receiving data and shows a button to add it to the appropriate app or to cancel. I've only beamed addresses though. |
| 17:42:15 | whardier | HAHAHA |
| 17:42:17 | whardier | Why are there so many Orientals here? |
| 17:42:18 | whardier | augh |
| 17:42:27 | warmi | I love it .. I had to modify it a bit to fit my needs but now it works great |
| 17:42:44 | JasonNJ | whardier: you dont like Orientals? |
| 17:42:57 | JasonNJ | actually the politically correct word is Asians |
| 17:43:06 | whardier | nono |
| 17:43:10 | whardier | read http://home.gci.net/~dpharris/dumb_tourist_faq.htm |
| 17:43:17 | whardier | funny alaska tour guide shit |
| 17:43:27 | fusion94 | kicks whardier |
| 17:43:59 | warmi | whardier: you should have put that sentence in quotes .... hehe |
| 17:44:19 | whardier | that I sohuld have |
| 17:44:58 | warmi | JasonNJ: The speed of SQLite 2.4.0 is similar to MySQL. This is true in spite of the fact that SQLite contains full transaction support whereas the version of MySQL tested did not. |
| 17:45:33 | whardier | 37. [Exchange overheard between 2 tourists on a tour bus] "Is that a bear?" "No, that's a rock." "No, it must be a bear. Its too big to be a rock." (Glenn D. Wolf) |
| 17:45:34 | whardier | MWA HA HA HA |
| 17:45:49 | whardier | 38. Tourist asked an Indian tour guide "How long have you been an Indian?" (Robinson) |
| 17:45:50 | whardier | MWA HA |
| 17:45:51 | whardier | oh shit |
| 17:46:19 | JasonNJ | I love number 39 |
| 17:47:08 | ljp_work | number 26 |
| 17:47:47 | JasonNJ | there are no penguins in alaska? |
| 17:47:55 | whardier | hahaha |
| 17:47:58 | whardier | 45 is neat |
| 17:48:00 | JasonNJ | there are african penguins. |
| 17:48:13 | JasonNJ | like theres a whole lot of kinds of penguins. |
| 17:48:25 | kergoth | i like 50 |
| 17:48:54 | JasonNJ | we need like Top 10 stupidest questions about the Zaurus |
| 17:49:05 | JasonNJ | "How do I get my pocket pc apps to run?" |
| 17:49:40 | whardier | 49 |
| 17:49:40 | whardier | haha |
| 17:50:16 | whardier | 51 |
| 17:50:17 | whardier | hah |
| 17:50:18 | whardier | anyhoot |
| 17:50:31 | fusion94 | JasonNJ: #1) When is SHarp Signing ? :P |
| 17:51:17 | JasonNJ | #2) How do I "feed" my zaurus? |
| 17:52:00 | whardier | #3) Where do I get cute pingizauru merchandise? |
| 17:52:19 | JasonNJ | fusion94: enjoy your respite, youre gonna wish you never did business with us pretty soon! |
| 17:52:34 | whardier | should order a pity pizza |
| 17:52:42 | fusion94 | #4) Does that Perlow guy actually do anything ? |
| 17:52:54 | JasonNJ | #%) Do you work for sharp? |
| 17:52:59 | fusion94 | lol |
| 17:53:07 | Harlekin | lol |
| 17:53:15 | JasonNJ | #5) Where can I get free copies of the tkc apps? |
| 17:53:37 | whardier | #6) Does OZ work? |
| 17:53:46 | JasonNJ | #6) is beta (insert number here) of OpenZaurus out yet? |
| 17:53:49 | Harlekin | 6) arent the tkc apps ripp offs from gpl code and so illegal? Yes they are |
| 17:53:50 | whardier | haha |
| 17:54:03 | fusion94 | JasonNJ: #theKompany_warez |
| 17:54:04 | whardier | #7) how do I get the usb networking to work! |
| 17:54:08 | JasonNJ | Harlekin: thats slander. |
| 17:54:12 | whardier | #7) how do I get the usb networking to work! DEAR GOD HELP ME! |
| 17:54:25 | Harlekin | JasonNJ: slander? |
| 17:54:49 | JasonNJ | Harlekin: that means you are accusing someone of doing something you have no proof of. |
| 17:55:07 | JasonNJ | its also very litigous kind of stuff here in the states. |
| 17:55:12 | Harlekin | JasonNJ: hehe, its just to funny that they have 100% the same bugs all the time |
| 17:55:13 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 17:55:23 | Harlekin | and fix them with a delay after |
| 17:55:48 | warmi | Harlekin:who do you mean by "they" ? |
| 17:55:51 | fusion94 | Harlekin: Slander \Slan"der\, v. t. [imp. & p. p. Slandered; p. pr. & |
| 17:55:52 | fusion94 | vb. n. Slandering.] |
| 17:55:52 | fusion94 | 1. To defame; to injure by maliciously uttering a false |
| 17:55:52 | fusion94 | report; to tarnish or impair the reputation of by false |
| 17:55:52 | fusion94 | tales maliciously told or propagated; to calumniate. |
| 17:56:19 | Harlekin | warmi: tkc |
| 17:56:49 | warmi | Harlekin: no I mean , the same bugs as compared with what ? |
| 17:57:03 | Harlekin | qpe and opie apps |
| 17:57:08 | Harlekin | mostly qpe base apps |
| 17:57:22 | Harlekin | maybe they bought source code from qt |
| 17:57:23 | JasonNJ | Harlekin: no way are they using the same code. |
| 17:57:24 | Harlekin | TT |
| 17:57:25 | Harlekin | ,) |
| 17:57:39 | Harlekin | JasonNJ: not for the ugly ui |
| 17:57:41 | Harlekin | at least |
| 17:58:14 | JasonNJ | They are using the identical XML stuctures that are on the Zaurus, thus they are suscpeptible to any corruption in them caused by the sync software. |
| 17:58:19 | JasonNJ | if thats what you are driving at. |
| 17:58:27 | Harlekin | nono |
| 17:58:33 | Harlekin | i wont go into detail |
| 17:58:39 | Harlekin | its somebody else job |
| 17:59:19 | JasonNJ | Harlekin: we're actually looking at TKC as a posibility to replace our own PIM apps. We'd have to review all their source, in any effect. |
| 17:59:42 | Harlekin | have fun |
| 17:59:45 | treke|laptop | and hopefully get them to drop the custom theme :) |
| 18:00:02 | JasonNJ | actually I like their theme. |
| 18:00:11 | JasonNJ | I just would like to apply it to all the apps on the Z |
| 18:00:14 | warmi | the theme is fine .. the problem is that it seems to have hardcoded colors etc |
| 18:00:19 | JasonNJ | but for that, we'd need a theme manager |
| 18:00:27 | JasonNJ | which we havent really standardized on. |
| 18:00:34 | zecke | JasonNJ: at least tkc PIM share the same bugs |
| 18:00:55 | JasonNJ | zecke: they have a whole bunch of libraries in common |
| 18:01:06 | zecke | JasonNJ: tell Sharp to better fund Opie development before using tkc ;) |
| 18:01:54 | JasonNJ | zecke: theres a fine line between supporting OSS and delivering polished commercial products. |
| 18:01:56 | zecke | JasonNJ: adding their features to every single app including filemanager and ImageViewer |
| 18:02:03 | Harlekin | zecke: dont bother |
| 18:02:09 | Harlekin | zecke: he will ne believe |
| 18:02:19 | Harlekin | zecke: lets have them on the z and then sue it |
| 18:02:23 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 18:02:32 | zecke | Harlekin: we decided against it ;) |
| 18:02:38 | JasonNJ | Harlekin: you forget that I'm partially responsible for OPIE. |
| 18:02:59 | zecke | Harlekin: but all the features could be done by a one day hacking session but you know it as well ;) |
| 18:03:05 | ljp_work | JasonNJ: are you saying opensource cant deliver polished products? |
| 18:03:05 | JasonNJ | I'd like to see sharp contribute as much into OSS as possible. |
| 18:03:12 | JasonNJ | ljp_work: not at all. |
| 18:03:46 | JasonNJ | however, the distributed development model can hinder progress, at least in terms of deliverables. |
| 18:04:02 | zecke | JasonNJ: is it possible to get QA access on Sharp sites for Opie? |
| 18:04:04 | ljp_work | how so? |
| 18:04:27 | JasonNJ | ljp_work: depending on the size of the project you can get into some serious scalability issues with management. |
| 18:04:58 | JasonNJ | zecke: we are working on getting a developer site up that will have CVS acces for open source projects. |
| 18:05:02 | zecke | JasonNJ: I don't ask Sharp to solely rely on OSS development |
| 18:05:05 | JasonNJ | basically, our own private sourceforge. |
| 18:05:10 | Harlekin | JasonNJ: 20:06 < JasonNJ> Harlekin: you forget that I'm partially responsible for OPIE. |
| 18:05:16 | Harlekin | JasonNJ: responsible in what manner |
| 18:05:27 | zecke | JasonNJ: I mean the team that did test QPE |
| 18:05:33 | zecke | and found x000 bugs |
| 18:05:35 | JasonNJ | well, I named the project. |
| 18:05:36 | Harlekin | JasonNJ: is there any sharp contribution to opensource at ALL? |
| 18:05:53 | kergoth | Harlekin: he's referring to the creation of the project in the first place. |
| 18:06:00 | Harlekin | kergoth: opie |
| 18:06:07 | kergoth | yes |
| 18:06:10 | Harlekin | kergoth: that was biolar, kandalf and me |
| 18:06:19 | Harlekin | kergoth: november 2001 |
| 18:06:21 | JasonNJ | I'm not going to take any credit for any of the devleopment work. |
| 18:06:23 | Harlekin | kergoth: the idea |
| 18:06:42 | Harlekin | kergoth: because there was just too much wrong with qpe for ipaq |
| 18:06:46 | Harlekin | kergoth: that was the initial idea |
| 18:06:48 | Harlekin | kergoth: not openzaurus |
| 18:06:50 | JasonNJ | Harekin: kandalf and I discussed it before he discussed it with you. |
| 18:06:54 | JasonNJ | at length. |
| 18:06:58 | JasonNJ | I almost hired him here. |
| 18:07:03 | Harlekin | JasonNJ: pretty sure not |
| 18:07:14 | Harlekin | kandalf popped up after that |
| 18:07:26 | Harlekin | but left pretty fast |
| 18:07:30 | JasonNJ | Harlekin: kandalf came to the states to help us with the Zaurus. |
| 18:07:39 | JasonNJ | I had sharp invite him to the US. |
| 18:07:45 | Harlekin | JasonNJ: i know |
| 18:07:55 | Harlekin | JasonNJ: and now he does not want to heard about it anymoew |
| 18:08:08 | Harlekin | JasonNJ: since sharp still did not understood what open source is |
| 18:08:12 | zecke | what did I miss Harlekin? |
| 18:08:13 | JasonNJ | Harlekin: I dont think you're familiar with the entire story. |
| 18:08:34 | JasonNJ | What he was upset with was that we chose not to pay for a Koffice port instead of going with Hancom. |
| 18:08:43 | JasonNJ | And our reasons for it had to do with time to market issues. |
| 18:08:56 | Harlekin | JasonNJ: hehe, he was at LT |
| 18:08:58 | Harlekin | JasonNJ: he is also KDE staff |
| 18:09:00 | Harlekin | JasonNJ: we had a LOT off talks |
| 18:09:03 | Harlekin | JasonNJ: never heard about the koffice story |
| 18:09:06 | Harlekin | koffice would be overkill |
| 18:09:08 | JasonNJ | because it would take several months to do the port, when we were dealing with the release of the 5500. |
| 18:09:08 | Harlekin | for a pda |
| 18:09:16 | Harlekin | and nearly impossible to port |
| 18:09:23 | JasonNJ | Actualy, no. |
| 18:09:32 | JasonNJ | Matias Kalle Dalheiner wanted to do it for us. |
| 18:09:43 | Harlekin | btw, even the 5500 freezes after 5 h up |
| 18:09:46 | JasonNJ | Dalheimer |
| 18:09:50 | Harlekin | Dallheimer |
| 18:09:57 | Harlekin | kelvesent data ... |
| 18:10:00 | Harlekin | sure |
| 18:10:01 | zecke | JasonNJ: I can't imagigne Matthias would port Koffice |
| 18:10:09 | Harlekin | zecke: me neither |
| 18:10:15 | Harlekin | zecke: as we also heard on LT |
| 18:10:17 | Harlekin | -) |
| 18:10:32 | zecke | JasonNJ: I know him and his guys from the KDE project |
| 18:10:34 | JasonNJ | zecke: he propose a whole team of guys to do it for us, even gave us a proposal with exact cost estimates. |
| 18:10:38 | JasonNJ | you dont beleive me? |
| 18:11:12 | zecke | JasonNJ: I believe he wanted to use libkofficecore but not port the whole KOffice |
| 18:11:14 | Harlekin | no |
| 18:11:43 | JasonNJ | zecke: It would have been a partial port, an embedded version, yes. |
| 18:11:45 | zecke | JasonNJ: but when Sharp develops another bluetooth stack for Linux they're braindead |
| 18:11:56 | Harlekin | zecke: hehe, who cares |
| 18:11:59 | zecke | JasonNJ: that is very different! |
| 18:12:02 | tux_mike | warmi: ping |
| 18:12:06 | JasonNJ | zecke: who told you this? |
| 18:12:13 | Harlekin | zecke: the cheaper and more beautifull bluetooth cf card is allready working |
| 18:12:17 | Harlekin | so why wait for sharp |
| 18:12:21 | zecke | Harlekin: I prefer iPAQs with keyboard |
| 18:12:34 | zecke | JasonNJ: Nobody. As I said I know them very well |
| 18:12:37 | Harlekin | zecke: few more months |
| 18:12:42 | zecke | tux_mike: ping |
| 18:12:50 | JasonNJ | zecke, uh, yeah, but you spoke to sharp germany. |
| 18:12:56 | kergoth | wonders what the point of this conversation is |
| 18:13:10 | zecke | tux_mike: we got obex working but no GUI for and not a fully functional receiving back end |
| 18:13:12 | JasonNJ | The people responsible for the hardware design and implementation of the OS builds is in Nara, Japan. |
| 18:13:20 | zecke | JasonNJ: a concerning bt |
| 18:13:27 | JasonNJ | who I am in contact with on a daily basis. |
| 18:13:36 | tux_mike | zecke: cool |
| 18:13:49 | zecke | JasonNJ: yes Sharp Germany said they will be able to deliever BT in Sept |
| 18:13:56 | Harlekin | or later |
| 18:13:56 | JasonNJ | And my understanding is bluetooth is on the drawing board, and they have only started to investigate possible solutions for it in software, icluding blueZ. |
| 18:13:57 | Harlekin | *g* |
| 18:13:58 | ljp_work | kergoth: its was about kandalf |
| 18:14:00 | zecke | JasonNJ: and we guessed that it won't use bluez |
| 18:14:04 | JasonNJ | zecke: they are wrong. |
| 18:14:30 | kergoth | ljp_work: ah |
| 18:14:35 | zecke | JasonNJ: go for blueZ and join talks with Marcel Holtman about a ioctl able socket for pdas |
| 18:14:41 | Harlekin | zecke: i guess the nokia cf bt is cheaper |
| 18:14:42 | Harlekin | ,-) |
| 18:14:54 | zecke | JasonNJ: and help him with getting RFCOM into kernel |
| 18:15:07 | JasonNJ | zecke: we are working with many people regarding bluetooth, including Juergen Kienhoefer. |
| 18:15:14 | JasonNJ | and Marcel. |
| 18:15:18 | zecke | good |
| 18:15:56 | JasonNJ | Juergen has been doing a lot of compatabiltiy testing of drivers with the 5500 and various cards with BlueZ |
| 18:16:00 | zecke | JasonNJ: I hope Sharp understands OSS in time |
| 18:16:19 | JasonNJ | zecke: it is part of the reason why we are doing a collaborate software site for developers. |
| 18:16:42 | JasonNJ | Also, remember, Sharp Germany is not SEC nor SC. |
| 18:16:49 | JasonNJ | Sharp Germany is off doing its own stuff. |
| 18:16:58 | JasonNJ | including their own developer program. |
| 18:17:02 | JasonNJ | So I cant speak for them. |
| 18:17:04 | zecke | JasonNJ: that's a structural problem of Sharp and not mime |
| 18:17:04 | Harlekin | see market shares |
| 18:17:06 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 18:17:12 | JasonNJ | However, they get their hardware and software from us. |
| 18:18:18 | JasonNJ | the german market for the most part is totally different than the US or UK. |
| 18:21:48 | zecke | ls |
| 18:22:39 | tux_mike | wrong window |
| 18:23:28 | ljp_work | bash: ls: Command not found |
| 18:24:38 | warmi | use dir |
| 18:25:27 | ljp_work | bash: dir: Foreign virus command called, sectioning off the quadrant |
| 18:25:37 | kergoth | brb |
| 18:25:53 | whardier | ok |
| 18:26:03 | riskable | Howdy folks |
| 18:26:12 | whardier | I am gonna need a computer I.Q. drug for the people in alaska trying to learn HTML |
| 18:28:21 | ljp_work | WYSIWYG |
| 18:37:21 | jape | harlekin - are you german ? |
| 18:38:21 | Harlekin | yes |
| 18:39:36 | jape | I read it just ;) |
| 18:49:15 | whardier | should start drinking |
| 18:49:59 | kergoth | too |
| 18:50:26 | whardier | I bought lots of beer right before I had to have my car towed home from the liquor store |
| 18:50:44 | whardier | so atleast I don't have to "walk" to the liqour store |
| 18:50:48 | kergoth | how convenient |
| 18:50:54 | whardier | I wonder if I can transport beer on public transprtation |
| 18:51:02 | whardier | better yet |
| 18:51:07 | whardier | I wonder if I can drink beer on a bus |
| 18:55:48 | ep0ch | hello |
| 18:56:05 | ep0ch | kergoth: what happened to http://geezer.umgllc.net/kergoth/? |
| 18:56:24 | ep0ch | or anyone else who knows the answer |
| 19:14:16 | tux_mike | damn com-ed |
| 19:44:28 | Twiun | rehi |
| 19:47:13 | jape | a question: does anyone uses qtopiadesktop in Linux ? |
| 19:47:39 | y0ssarian | jape: i've got it setup, don't really use it... |
| 20:21:44 | jape | can you start it as normal user ? @y0ssarian |
| 20:21:59 | y0ssarian | yeah |
| 20:22:07 | jape | hm :( |
| 20:22:12 | jape | I've got an error ... |
| 20:22:24 | y0ssarian | it's mode is 755 ... |
| 20:22:29 | y0ssarian | i didn't even have to change the user |
| 20:22:41 | y0ssarian | and the error is..... ? |
| 20:23:19 | jape | Logging in as user root |
| 20:23:19 | jape | pure virtual method called |
| 20:23:19 | jape | Abgebroche |
| 20:23:21 | jape | +n |
| 20:23:33 | jape | whats mod is 755 ? |
| 20:24:00 | y0ssarian | rwxr-xr-x |
| 20:24:15 | y0ssarian | so your qtopiadesktop starts but doesnt' log in... |
| 20:32:07 | jape | what must I do ? |
| 20:32:13 | jape | chmod 777 ? |
| 20:32:33 | y0ssarian | does the program start? |
| 20:32:39 | jape | yes |
| 20:32:45 | jape | and then breaks |
| 20:32:59 | y0ssarian | okay, i thought you were having trouble starting the program |
| 20:33:09 | y0ssarian | what does it do after the error message you gave? |
| 20:33:29 | jape | shell ;) |
| 20:33:32 | jape | nothing .... |
| 20:33:53 | y0ssarian | so the program crashes? never opens a window? what? |
| 20:34:28 | CloudChaser | hello everyone :) |
| 20:34:34 | y0ssarian | hello |
| 20:34:42 | jape | it obens the window ... |
| 20:34:50 | jape | can I send you all messages ? |
| 20:44:44 | numatrix | is away: I'm not here. |
| 21:14:55 | hunger | kergoth: Any news on the OZ front? |
| 21:15:45 | hunger | kergoth: I was at the LinuxTag in Karlsruhe and told the Sharp guys there to use OZ as default installation because their ROMs suck;-) |
| 21:17:23 | whardier | I wish I had viagra to use on somebody |
| 21:18:39 | CloudChaser | i think you scared him ;) |
| 21:19:12 | tux_mike | whardier scares all |
| 21:19:22 | CloudChaser | :) |
| 21:20:30 | whardier | heh |
| 21:20:48 | W|GGL|T | is away: I'm busy smoking a blunt or sleeping or something |
| 21:28:20 | kergoth | hunger: not much new. i finished the new irq handler and framebuffer code and lcd powerup/down, in theory this 2.5.18 kernel ive got here should boot and power up the lcd.. cant test till i get home |
| 21:28:38 | kergoth | hunger: nothing else realy. been busy in kernel space. well, i fixed the major bugs in wlansetup |
| 21:29:50 | fafhrd | hi all, is the ir accessable via a device in /dev/xyz? |
| 21:35:28 | sjohnson | is away: I'm busy |
| 21:37:18 | Nasa | kergoth: is there a reason help files don't exit in oz? |
| 21:37:44 | ljp_work | dont exit? |
| 21:37:59 | Nasa | s/exist/exit |
| 21:40:28 | sjohnson | is back (gone 00:04:59) |
| 21:43:39 | ljp_work | oohh exists |
| 21:44:21 | ljp_work | we figure people dont need help ;) |
| 21:44:32 | Nasa | hehe |
| 21:45:13 | mark | hi all |
| 21:45:27 | CloudChaser | hello ;) |
| 21:45:31 | Nasa | howdy |
| 21:46:11 | Nasa | another really stupid question -- any new word on java for oz? |
| 21:47:04 | mark | no |
| 21:48:04 | ljp_work | you can copy the jeode stuff to your dekstop and then install it on oz |
| 21:48:15 | Nasa | So do the nets stand a chance? |
| 21:48:18 | warmi | Nasa: get rid of that nasty Java addiction and join ranks of happy C++ programers |
| 21:48:46 | mark | or, go finsih the Qt AWT |
| 21:49:11 | Nasa | warmi: I don't want to program in java, just use some of the programs... |
| 21:49:33 | warmi | I was just kidding anyway |
| 21:49:39 | Nasa | javanoid, drugmoney come to mind... |
| 21:50:28 | warmi | like ljp said: I think it is possible to install joede java on oz |
| 21:50:49 | mark | it is |
| 21:50:50 | Nasa | java = new jersey c++=lakers |
| 21:51:37 | Nasa | you mean taking the java binaries of the z rom and put them on the z? |
| 21:51:43 | warmi | yeah |
| 21:52:28 | Nasa | Is there a way to do that without reinstalling the old rom? I am kind of lazy and don't want to remove my nice oz setup.... |
| 21:53:50 | mark | warmi: i see in these description files you have '<qt> </qt>' -- these necessary/what do they do? |
| 21:54:08 | warmi | this is basically qt rich text file |
| 21:54:23 | tux_mike | hey, sony and universal are having decent prices on online music and removing crippleware and burning restrictions... |
| 21:54:35 | warmi | just like html , you can have different fonts , tables, colors etc |
| 21:54:42 | mark | warmi: okay |
| 21:54:43 | treke | wonder whether they'll release anything decent |
| 21:55:40 | tux_mike | http://www.sunspot.net/la-fi-universal12jun12.story it's about time they get it |
| 21:55:57 | warmi | mark: I should have used <html> </html> since Qt understends that as well |
| 21:56:10 | mark | warmi: okay |
| 21:56:11 | warmi | that's what I am going to do I think with the final ipkgs |
| 21:56:28 | mark | okay |
| 21:56:37 | mark | i'm writing the same for the themes, so i was just wondering |
| 21:57:03 | warmi | you should start using it when it makes sense .. QLabel can automatically detect if it is a rich text , so can couple of other widgets |
| 21:57:56 | warmi | time to go home . |
| 21:57:57 | warmi | later |
| 21:58:13 | warmi | I will send ipks to you today for sure, mark |
| 21:58:14 | tux_mike | bye warmi |
| 21:59:40 | fafhrd | the z is a wonderful machine |
| 22:00:11 | fafhrd | i just managed to cross-compile a little app. to get the phonebook from a mobile phone |
| 22:00:21 | fafhrd | via the irda device |
| 22:04:13 | Nasa | how do you set the path to the z linux headers? |
| 22:06:26 | tux_mike | -I |
| 22:06:54 | KajUK | Hi! Anyone knows how to set konqueror to desplay charsets other than Latin? |
| 22:07:14 | rikkus | KajUK: #kde-users |
| 22:07:53 | KajUK | rikkus: I mean embedded konqueror |
| 22:08:02 | rikkus | curt answers © #zaurus 2000 |
| 22:08:05 | rikkus | er, 2002 |
| 22:08:10 | rikkus | missed a couple of years |
| 22:08:14 | rikkus | KajUK: sorry, no idea |
| 22:08:30 | rikkus | KajUK: I'd guess you need the correct font(s) installed first |
| 22:09:20 | KajUK | rikkus: I have Unicode fonts installed on my Zaurus |
| 22:09:26 | tux_mike | kaj: i don't know if there is support yet |
| 22:10:41 | Nasa | Isn't there a way to set the header directory via an environment variable? |
| 22:14:16 | kergoth | ls |
| 22:14:16 | kergoth | reset |
| 22:14:20 | kergoth | er wrong window |
| 22:14:21 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:17:50 | mark | heh |
| 22:18:03 | mark | kergoth: its better 'ls; reset' then su + ur password ;) |
| 22:18:51 | rikkus | xine ~/pr0n/*avi |
| 22:18:55 | rikkus | ups |
| 22:19:25 | tux_mike | rm -rf rikkus |
| 22:19:56 | rikkus | or |
| 22:20:01 | rikkus | xine ~/pr0n/doggies/*avi |
| 22:34:00 | CloudChaser | - |
| 22:38:13 | CloudChaser | hiya ;) |
| 22:38:19 | Mickey0 | hodwy |
| 22:38:52 | CloudChaser | quiet here at the moment ;) |
| 22:39:16 | Nadav | heh |
| 22:39:55 | KhensU_work | CloudChaser: how does your external battery work? |
| 22:40:08 | CloudChaser | works very well |
| 22:40:16 | CloudChaser | haven't pushed its limits yet |
| 22:40:27 | CloudChaser | so i can't tell you just how long it will work |
| 22:40:50 | CloudChaser | nice knowing i have it though :) |
| 22:41:04 | Com[Plex] | whats this? |
| 22:41:11 | Com[Plex] | cloud, you got an external battery? |
| 22:41:17 | CloudChaser | battery pack |
| 22:41:39 | CloudChaser | http://www.erwincomputers.com/digdpnimexba1.html |
| 22:41:56 | CloudChaser | i got mine from camera store, not from there, but thats what it is |
| 22:42:03 | | catalin is xxL |
| 22:42:03 | VerxHome | ibot, catalin |
| 22:42:03 | Com[Plex] | does it work with the Z? |
| 22:42:07 | CloudChaser | yes |
| 22:42:07 | | somebody said xxl was Catalin Climov <mailto:catalin@climov.com>, http://www.climov.com/zaurus/ |
| 22:42:07 | VerxHome | ibot, xxl |
| 22:42:11 | Com[Plex] | wooo! |
| 22:42:26 | CloudChaser | the 8100 comes with a cable that fits the z and ipaq |
| 22:42:30 | Com[Plex] | is it big and ugly? |
| 22:42:34 | Com[Plex] | nice... |
| 22:42:36 | CloudChaser | nope |
| 22:42:47 | CloudChaser | the size of 4 AA batteries with a little leather case |
| 22:42:52 | CloudChaser | with a belt clip |
| 22:43:09 | Com[Plex] | and a wire.. |
| 22:43:18 | Com[Plex] | does ti have the power plug right on it? or? |
| 22:43:29 | CloudChaser | no you can detach it |
| 22:43:31 | CloudChaser | and leave it home |
| 22:43:42 | CloudChaser | and carry just the little cord to connect pack to z |
| 22:43:46 | Com[Plex] | excellent. and that gives you another power adapter |
| 22:43:51 | Com[Plex] | sweeeet |
| 22:44:04 | Com[Plex] | whats the supposed life on it? |
| 22:44:07 | CloudChaser | http://www.geocrawler.com/archives/3/18496/2002/4/50/8514758/ |
| 22:44:15 | CloudChaser | read that.. someone who bought one posted about it |
| 22:44:45 | CloudChaser | i also emailed someone who posted about it on the zauruszone boards |
| 22:44:49 | CloudChaser | before i bought it |
| 22:45:02 | CloudChaser | takes an hour or less to charge up the z |
| 22:45:07 | CloudChaser | and you can use it while it charges |
| 22:45:55 | kergoth | thats pretty sweet |
| 22:46:41 | CloudChaser | i guess the time depends on what cards you have plugged in |
| 22:46:48 | CloudChaser | and how much light you have going |
| 22:46:57 | CloudChaser | same as the life of the z's battery |
| 22:47:34 | Com[Plex] | thats awesome. im getting one. thanks a million for that link |
| 22:47:45 | CloudChaser | don't get the 8000 though |
| 22:47:49 | CloudChaser | it doesn't have the cable |
| 22:48:02 | CloudChaser | same item but without the cable that fits the z |
| 22:48:38 | Com[Plex] | so get the 8100. check |
| 22:49:53 | CloudChaser | yeah i'm happy wiht it so far but i haven't put it through its paces really. |
| 22:50:09 | CloudChaser | 2 times i charged the z wth it so far |
| 22:50:12 | CloudChaser | maybe 3 |
| 22:51:34 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 22:51:42 | CloudChaser | whats so funny? |
| 22:52:06 | Com[Plex] | if this is 40$, and can charge the z 3 times full, and sharp wants 50$ for a second BATTERY, I think the choice is clear |
| 22:52:14 | CloudChaser | oh yes |
| 22:52:22 | CloudChaser | you don't have to remove the z's either |
| 22:52:27 | Com[Plex] | they want 40 or so just for a second power adapter |
| 22:52:32 | Com[Plex] | very cool |
| 22:57:20 | CloudChaser | i got kismet going last night |
| 22:57:24 | CloudChaser | (thanks to kergoth) |
| 22:57:27 | CloudChaser | ;) |
| 22:57:31 | CloudChaser | its very cool |
| 22:57:52 | CloudChaser | now i just need to know how to view teh packets i capture |
| 22:59:39 | kergoth | CloudChaser: how'd your meeting go? |
| 23:00:47 | kergoth | man, today has really sucked |
| 23:00:49 | CloudChaser | the meeting was.. ok.. *grins* the sniffing went well :) |
| 23:00:55 | CloudChaser | question: |
| 23:00:55 | kergoth | its like.. a monday, but its the middle of the week |
| 23:01:01 | kergoth | CloudChaser: ah.. :-) |
| 23:01:06 | CloudChaser | once you get all those wonderful informations.. |
| 23:01:18 | CloudChaser | how do you view the packets you capture? |
| 23:01:33 | kergoth | tcpdump can read that format, as can ethereal and others |
| 23:01:43 | kergoth | i'm not sure if kismet has that function built in or not |
| 23:01:46 | CloudChaser | i saw like 5 access points but they use LEAP so only 2 ESSIDs |
| 23:02:07 | CloudChaser | where do the cap files save to? |
| 23:02:19 | kergoth | its just pcap format, iirc. you could use the arm version of tcpdump on your Z, or tcpdump or ethereal or something on a desktop |
| 23:02:28 | kergoth | CloudChaser: $HOME |
| 23:02:58 | kergoth | CloudChaser: Kismet* |
| 23:03:20 | CloudChaser | i saw some nice pictures of captures on kismets site that said something about "curses" |
| 23:03:51 | kergoth | CloudChaser: curses is one of the gui interfaces.. there's curses, panel, and now mspin's qt.. |
| 23:04:01 | kergoth | CloudChaser: brb, let me take a look at their site |
| 23:04:21 | CloudChaser | oh i see |
| 23:04:57 | kergoth | CloudChaser: from what i see, it has the ability to dump strings out of the packets, but thats it.. could be wrong though. mspin would be the expert, having interfaced with the kismet server directly |
| 23:05:33 | CloudChaser | oh i seee, it's basically the same info as you see with the qt |
| 23:05:37 | CloudChaser | just different format |
| 23:06:38 | CloudChaser | i'll work on getting the buzzer to work maybe tomorrow (i have a killer headache atm) |
| 23:06:49 | CloudChaser | and i'm running out of space on my z :) |
| 23:07:00 | CloudChaser | the sd card i wanted is on backorder ;( |
| 23:07:50 | Nasa | kergoth: is there a website that explains what the different symbols mean in oipkg? |
| 23:08:42 | CloudChaser | hehe whoever posted the screenies on kismet site has a map of my area :) |
| 23:09:06 | CloudChaser | his travel log goes through CT :) |
| 23:12:36 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:12:47 | kergoth | Nasa: not to my knowledge. check the opie.handhelds.org wiki |
| 23:15:41 | Nasa | what the helll do grey boxes with little blue circles mean? expecially if they follow a line with a blue circle (same app) |
| 23:15:57 | wembly | wtf? |
| 23:16:18 | Nasa | oipkg.... |
| 23:16:43 | wembly | ahh |
| 23:17:04 | treke | Nasa : they mean that the author of oipkg wants to confuse you |
| 23:17:19 | Nasa | treke: mission accomplished |
| 23:19:25 | wembly | why do i have to repeat my passcode? |
| 23:24:01 | wembly | anyone alive or around? |
| 23:24:51 | bill2or3 | hi |
| 23:25:02 | wembly | hihi :) |
| 23:26:03 | Nadav | heya |
| 23:27:27 | CloudChaser | hiya |
| 23:39:59 | bill2or3 | newegg.com shows a sku for a refurbished zaurus at $320, but no stock |
| 23:40:03 | bill2or3 | Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 23:45:42 | VerxHome | 5000 or 5500? |
| 23:45:51 | Speedy2 | Refurbished units? Already?! |
| 23:45:54 | bill2or3 | 5500 |
| 23:46:00 | Speedy2 | I find that hard to believe! |
| 23:46:05 | bill2or3 | well, they dont have any stock |
| 23:46:08 | VerxHome | 320, that would be nice for $320 |
| 23:46:11 | bill2or3 | but there's a sku |
| 23:46:52 | CloudChaser | - |
| 23:50:34 | Com[Plex] | probably because they had ONE, and now its gone |
