| 00:08:06 | bobstay | ack |
| 00:08:11 | bobstay | used to have perl for the Z |
| 00:08:37 | bobstay | can't find it anymore... |
| 00:11:08 | bobstay | argh |
| 00:11:15 | bobstay | does anyone still have the ipk? |
| 00:14:38 | bobstay | oh, heh |
| 00:14:45 | bobstay | it's in the essential console utils package |
| 00:14:49 | ljp | whardier: no, it means I have to mow the lawn before them pesky neighbors get the posse out for me having too long of lawn |
| 00:19:34 | ljp | damn I'm good. I installed windows bootloader from linux |
| 00:37:08 | jmhodges | heya |
| 00:39:29 | jmhodges | hey lowkey |
| 00:40:21 | lowkey | hey jmhodges |
| 00:40:50 | jmhodges | just took a long walk with 2 cds+ of mp3s playing on his Z |
| 00:41:09 | jmhodges | need to rip some more.. and find a decent mirror for the z port of ogg123 |
| 00:43:51 | whardier | ljp: mow that lawn! |
| 00:45:37 | jmhodges | anyone know a ogg player for the sharp rom? |
| 00:46:49 | jmhodges | ok then.. |
| 00:46:55 | jmhodges | backs up his Z.. |
| 00:47:03 | jmhodges | oooh come to me beta10 |
| 00:50:54 | Guru | hello all! |
| 00:51:11 | Guru | kergoth-: how to go you from OZ back to the Sharp ROM (on a SL-5500)? |
| 00:51:23 | whardier | your a real guru |
| 00:51:40 | whardier | download sharp rom |
| 00:51:41 | Guru | whardier: guru in training |
| 00:51:43 | whardier | flash sharp rom |
| 00:52:00 | Guru | whardier: yeah, but the SL-5500 rom requires you to run that stupid qpe-updateROM program |
| 00:52:11 | whardier | err |
| 00:52:13 | whardier | what? |
| 00:52:14 | Guru | when I try to run that program, it cannot find the SHARP Rom Image |
| 00:52:25 | Guru | the new SL-5500 2.2 rom |
| 00:52:26 | whardier | just download the rom and flash it off of CF |
| 00:53:24 | Guru | I tried to download the image and rename it to romimage on my cf card... tried the flash method, but it didn't work |
| 00:54:12 | Guru | sharp supplies the UpdateROM program.. and I think the SL-5500 requires that program to update the rom |
| 00:54:59 | whardier | hmm |
| 00:55:04 | Guru | http://www.myzaurus.com/ROMupdate2.asp |
| 00:55:06 | Guru | see.... |
| 00:55:08 | whardier | well I am not a spoiled little brat that can afford an SL-5500 |
| 00:55:09 | whardier | hehe |
| 00:55:18 | whardier | so you go and die now |
| 00:55:20 | Guru | hehe.. c'mon! |
| 00:55:23 | whardier | haha |
| 00:55:28 | whardier | well I obviosly can't help |
| 00:55:32 | Guru | i've been testing out OZ and submitting bug reports |
| 00:55:45 | Guru | hmmmmmmmmmmm.............. |
| 00:55:49 | Guru | anyone know? |
| 01:07:28 | ljp | whardier: gcc -v ? |
| 01:07:56 | whardier | 2.95.4 |
| 01:08:12 | whardier | brb.. dude I am working for just cooked me a chicken :P |
| 01:11:41 | Nasa | Does anyone know if mpeg4 is going to be supported on the Z? |
| 01:13:30 | NoRemorse | ljp has %20 been fixed? |
| 01:17:13 | NoRemorse | jmhodges to answer your q from yesterday, yes tkcJabber costs |
| 01:17:44 | Guru | argh. anyone know how to go back to sharp rom from OZ on an SL-5500? |
| 01:19:04 | Guru | anyone have the link for the original 2.12 rom image for the SL-5500? |
| 01:19:14 | jmhodges | NoRemorse: hehe i thought i had it right in my head |
| 01:19:30 | NoRemorse | k |
| 01:19:53 | NoRemorse | guru on myzaurus.com |
| 01:20:00 | jmhodges | is away: |
| 01:20:19 | Guru | NoRemorse: thats the new 2.2 rom image. they had the original image up for a while |
| 01:21:04 | NoRemorse | ah why u want old one |
| 01:22:43 | NoRemorse | how do i check my version? |
| 01:22:58 | NoRemorse | i might have it |
| 01:28:25 | jmhodges | NoRemorse: theh 2.2 requires that odd qpe-appROM |
| 01:29:33 | jmhodges | is away: |
| 01:29:36 | Guru | anyone know how to abort the startup and drop into the shell right away? |
| 01:29:41 | Guru | (upon a reboot) |
| 01:29:41 | jmhodges | is away: |
| 01:29:49 | jmhodges | is away: |
| 01:30:17 | jmhodges | at that "Wait" section during reboot hit / on the keyboad |
| 01:30:53 | Guru | cool... lemme try |
| 01:32:23 | jmhodges | then hit the letter that corresponds with Linux Console |
| 01:35:16 | jmhodges | hm.. got the bin now.. |
| 01:38:17 | jmhodges | how does one "select a kernel" ? |
| 01:41:36 | rodzilla | hehe, found ya jmhodges... |
| 01:41:37 | rodzilla | lol |
| 01:42:02 | Guru | jmhodges: what letter corresponds with Linux Console? |
| 01:42:18 | jmhodges | hehe ro |
| 01:42:21 | jmhodges | hehe rodzilla |
| 01:42:29 | jmhodges | Guru: it should tell you.. |
| 01:42:37 | jmhodges | look next to the Linux Console part |
| 01:42:44 | jmhodges | like a or e or something.. |
| 01:42:45 | jmhodges | hrmph |
| 01:42:47 | rodzilla | jmhodges: you installing openz? |
| 01:42:52 | jmhodges | rodzilla: tryine |
| 01:43:06 | jmhodges | but i dont know where to find a kernel to build for it.. |
| 01:43:08 | jmhodges | :( |
| 01:43:58 | rodzilla | hehe I can't do anything till I get my Z around wednesday |
| 01:44:40 | jmhodges | hehe.. |
| 01:44:47 | jmhodges | gtg |
| 01:46:40 | kergoth- | I need a drink. |
| 01:49:22 | Guru | hey kergoth! |
| 01:49:42 | kergoth | hey guru, how goes it |
| 01:49:45 | Guru | can you tell me how to drop into a shell upon booting OZ |
| 01:50:05 | Guru | kergoth: I think i messed up the OZ rom. I tried copying a file larger than /root/ , and it screwed things up |
| 01:50:11 | kergoth | is opie failing to load? |
| 01:50:15 | Guru | yues |
| 01:50:24 | Guru | opie fails to load |
| 01:50:51 | Guru | even a full reset doesnt work.. it boots for a while, and then when it start loading opie, screen does some funny stuff |
| 01:52:32 | Guru | any ideas? |
| 01:52:50 | kergoth | the qtopia loader.. the thing that lets you hit \ to drop to shell, on the sharp rom.. thats one of many items for which we have no source.. so at the moment, oz doesnt use a loader of any kind.. you'll have to reflash. sorry to hear that. I'll jump on throwing together a boot menu app |
| 01:53:13 | Guru | kergoth: okay! thanks! |
| 01:53:28 | rodzilla | can you backup your zaurus rom before installing oz? |
| 01:54:33 | kergoth | you can backup your root filesystem, but cannot backup the kernel, from what i understand |
| 01:56:02 | kergoth | why bother though? sharp roms are available.. |
| 01:56:15 | rodzilla | they are? cool |
| 01:56:25 | rodzilla | I don't have my Z yet, it's on the way tho :) |
| 01:56:38 | kergoth | ah :-) |
| 01:57:04 | kergoth | greetings CloudChaser |
| 02:03:58 | CloudChaser | hiya |
| 02:04:09 | CloudChaser | how are you tonight? |
| 02:04:55 | kergoth | dealing with intense emotion anguish, and yourself? |
| 02:04:56 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:05:04 | kergoth | such is life |
| 02:05:27 | CloudChaser | aww |
| 02:05:38 | CloudChaser | i'm fine.. no intense emotions here |
| 02:05:42 | CloudChaser | hope yours works out |
| 02:06:02 | kergoth | glad to hear that |
| 02:06:05 | kergoth | thanks |
| 02:06:35 | kergoth | says WOMEN, in the way guys often do. present company excluded of course. |
| 02:06:53 | CloudChaser | hehe i'm a geek woman |
| 02:07:06 | CloudChaser | not quite the same i've heard |
| 02:10:02 | kergoth | hah, really.. |
| 02:11:43 | CloudChaser | :) |
| 02:12:11 | CloudChaser | how many women do you know that hates shopping and would rather by computer equipment |
| 02:12:30 | kergoth | point taken |
| 02:12:38 | CloudChaser | :) |
| 02:13:02 | CloudChaser | and have to struggle to make small talk that most people can understand |
| 02:15:01 | kergoth | hehe. small talk always seems so superficial.. lacking depth. |
| 02:15:37 | CloudChaser | nods |
| 02:18:23 | kergoth | quiet channel tonight |
| 02:18:55 | CloudChaser | yeah they must all have a life! |
| 02:19:28 | kergoth | bastards |
| 02:19:51 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:20:04 | ljp | thinks usb1 wasn't meant for high end audio |
| 02:23:24 | CloudChaser | whatcha up to there ljp? |
| 02:26:02 | kergoth | ack |
| 02:26:13 | kergoth | my compile just failed out with received signal 11 |
| 02:26:16 | kergoth | ugly ugly |
| 02:30:35 | wyvern | [19:18:40] <CloudChaser> how many women do you know that hates shopping and would rather by computer equipment |
| 02:30:36 | wyvern | 1! |
| 02:30:41 | wyvern | and I married her ;) |
| 02:31:22 | CloudChaser | haha well meet # 2 :) |
| 02:31:27 | wyvern | kergoth: doesn't signal 11 generally mean faulty hardware? |
| 02:31:34 | wyvern | as in the processor is overheating |
| 02:31:59 | wyvern | CC: you're a woman who hates shopping and would rather shop for computer stuff? |
| 02:32:15 | wyvern | I have not actually married her yet but I intend to and she knows it :) |
| 02:32:28 | CloudChaser | yes i am |
| 02:32:41 | CloudChaser | and congrats ;) |
| 02:32:44 | wyvern | she is not a "computer person" actually but she loves electronics and gadgets and technology |
| 02:32:48 | wyvern | thanks :) |
| 02:33:35 | CloudChaser | well my latest purchases are the z and companion parts |
| 02:34:18 | CloudChaser | going to jamaica for our 10th anniversary and dreading having to go buy clothes for the adventure |
| 02:34:34 | CloudChaser | but i did talk him into letting my buy a 128 mb SD card |
| 02:34:44 | CloudChaser | for the z so i can put pics on it on our trip :) |
| 02:35:25 | CloudChaser | so i guess i'll go buy swimwear too :) |
| 02:39:57 | CloudChaser | - |
| 02:57:31 | ljp | hmmm... if you see a guy named bankie banx.. tell him hi for me |
| 03:06:56 | whardier | heh |
| 03:07:05 | whardier | just caried a really heavy computer up the stairs |
| 03:07:09 | whardier | damnit |
| 03:07:39 | whardier | has a brain malfunction |
| 03:16:41 | ljp | sittin on his byte tractor |
| 03:25:12 | jmhodges | hrm. |
| 03:25:17 | jmhodges | this instructions are bothersome |
| 03:25:46 | kergoth | ? |
| 03:25:57 | kergoth | sup whardier |
| 03:26:32 | whardier | just got a 1ghz machine |
| 03:26:44 | jmhodges | kergoth: im just confused about where and what kernel i should grab.. |
| 03:26:47 | whardier | just got payed to fix windows |
| 03:26:51 | whardier | getting payed to install linux |
| 03:27:26 | jmhodges | cool :) |
| 03:27:45 | whardier | err |
| 03:27:52 | whardier | this has a 40 gig scsi drive in it |
| 03:27:57 | whardier | how is it not recognized? |
| 03:28:01 | whardier | I recognize it! |
| 03:28:54 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 03:30:50 | ljp | heh bios |
| 03:31:45 | jmhodges | oooh.. i see. |
| 03:31:51 | kergoth | jmhodges: depends on what you want for memory |
| 03:31:52 | jmhodges | found a nice little link |
| 03:32:33 | jmhodges | kergoth: oh.. |
| 03:33:09 | jmhodges | kergoth: well... ok.. is there a link i can find more info about that at? |
| 03:33:10 | kergoth | i.e. zImage-beta7_20-12 = for a sl-5000d, 20 megs of your 32 is available as memory, 12 megs available as a ramdisk for installing apps |
| 03:33:16 | kergoth | yes, read README |
| 03:33:23 | kergoth | on the sourceforge project download page |
| 03:33:32 | jmhodges | yeah i did |
| 03:33:46 | kergoth | 5000d or 5500? |
| 03:33:55 | jmhodges | it gave one that is very vague.. but i found a more specific link inside of that page (i think) |
| 03:33:57 | jmhodges | 5500 |
| 03:34:27 | kergoth | then use only kernels for which the memory and ramdisk sizes add up to 64mb, not 32 |
| 03:34:41 | kergoth | i.e. use 48/24.. etc.. rather than 20/12.. etc |
| 03:34:43 | jmhodges | hrm.. ok.. where can i find such kernels? |
| 03:35:35 | sharp | hello |
| 03:35:47 | jmhodges | hey sharp |
| 03:36:21 | sharp | i just got a zaurus a couple days ago and i think it is the coolest thing in the world :)) |
| 03:36:27 | jmhodges | heh |
| 03:36:35 | W|GGL|T | it rawks! |
| 03:36:51 | jmhodges | slaps W|GGL|T with a frozen trout |
| 03:36:57 | jmhodges | ;) |
| 03:37:21 | bill2or3 | sharp, can I ask how much you paid for it? |
| 03:37:26 | bill2or3 | and what accessories you have.. |
| 03:37:27 | W|GGL|T | hehe |
| 03:37:57 | sharp | its was a gift, but i went out and bought a 64mb CF card for $45 |
| 03:38:20 | W|GGL|T | damn...a gift |
| 03:39:01 | W|GGL|T | my wife found out that I bought mine, she didnt lose her mind and just said "that's your father's day present"...i guess i got it 2 months in advance |
| 03:39:19 | jmhodges | heh |
| 03:39:45 | jmhodges | sharp: from now on buy your mem cards at Sam's Club got a 128 CF card for 50 |
| 03:39:47 | W|GGL|T | i'd asked for a cpu/mb combo :o) |
| 03:40:03 | W|GGL|T | :o( no sams here |
| 03:40:05 | jmhodges | :( |
| 03:40:32 | jmhodges | hm.. the Z was cheap on amazon.com (or so i heard from some friends) so you might try there |
| 03:40:37 | bill2or3 | costco has the same stuff |
| 03:41:00 | sharp | if i can gather together enough money i may eventually buy a ibm microdisk or whatever its called. it works right? |
| 03:41:27 | jmhodges | hm.. |
| 03:41:41 | jmhodges | would it be wise to copy my zImage from my Sharp ROM? |
| 03:41:55 | jmhodges | to my cf card i mean and use it? |
| 03:41:55 | W|GGL|T | notes sandisk now has 1gb |
| 03:42:03 | W|GGL|T | $800 a pop |
| 03:42:29 | kergoth | jmhodges: i dont see a problem with that |
| 03:42:45 | jmhodges | kergoth: thanks .. |
| 03:42:46 | jmhodges | :) |
| 03:42:48 | kergoth | np |
| 03:42:49 | sharp | whats the largest sd or mmc can go? |
| 03:43:07 | bill2or3 | 256 I think |
| 03:43:11 | W|GGL|T | notes sandisk now has 1gb SD |
| 03:43:12 | whardier | damn |
| 03:43:16 | whardier | only 5 volts going to the scsi |
| 03:43:18 | whardier | device |
| 03:43:21 | whardier | not 12 and 5 |
| 03:43:23 | bill2or3 | 1g sd's? |
| 03:43:23 | whardier | like it should have been |
| 03:43:27 | whardier | one very ugly power cable |
| 03:43:28 | bill2or3 | uhh |
| 03:43:33 | whardier | and you all care! |
| 03:43:45 | bill2or3 | amazon has the Z for $425 |
| 03:43:46 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 03:43:47 | sharp | ooo....1gb SD's....... |
| 03:43:50 | jmhodges | whardier: :P |
| 03:44:46 | W|GGL|T | crap...i meant CF |
| 03:44:53 | sharp | awww.... |
| 03:45:26 | bill2or3 | ya |
| 03:45:32 | sharp | ibm microdisks are like $400 for 1gb or somthing |
| 03:45:43 | bill2or3 | I only see up to 128m SD's from sandisk, but I think viking makes a 256 |
| 03:46:22 | sharp | i'm planning to have a wireless network somtime in the next 5 yrs |
| 03:46:42 | W|GGL|T | lol...me too |
| 03:46:42 | sharp | so i want sd's more then cf's. |
| 03:46:43 | bill2or3 | you mean a 802.11 one for home, or like cdpd for out-and-about? |
| 03:46:50 | sharp | 802.11 |
| 03:46:55 | W|GGL|T | that's how long it'll take to convince my wife |
| 03:46:56 | W|GGL|T | 5 yrs |
| 03:47:00 | bill2or3 | uh |
| 03:47:05 | whardier | pees on 802.11 |
| 03:47:10 | bill2or3 | access points can be had for <$100 now.. |
| 03:47:21 | bill2or3 | with a little shopping around, anyway. |
| 03:47:24 | whardier | no really.. I probably have my piss hit 802.11b waves.. |
| 03:47:35 | whardier | just imagine what packets are going upstream! |
| 03:48:18 | W|GGL|T | access points + wireless cards = $$$ |
| 03:48:27 | W|GGL|T | the whole shebang, not just the WAP |
| 03:48:42 | sharp | yeah |
| 03:48:43 | whardier | hehe |
| 03:48:50 | whardier | my access points are gonna be around $400 |
| 03:48:51 | sharp | but still....the coolness.... |
| 03:49:01 | whardier | but uh.. they can do things that other waps can't |
| 03:49:50 | bill2or3 | I suppose if you want to replace your existing wired network it'd be pretty spendy |
| 03:50:35 | whardier | naw |
| 03:50:36 | sharp | i wouldn't replace |
| 03:50:38 | whardier | just mug a few people |
| 03:50:40 | sharp | just add on |
| 03:50:49 | whardier | I would never replace 100bt |
| 03:50:50 | whardier | haha |
| 03:54:54 | whardier | its blatent mafia super marketing for their prostitution rings! |
| 03:54:57 | whardier | shit |
| 03:55:00 | whardier | wrong channel |
| 03:56:07 | CloudChaser | hullo |
| 03:56:55 | whardier | hi! |
| 03:56:57 | whardier | hows the CloudChaser |
| 03:57:03 | whardier | catch any today? |
| 03:57:10 | CloudChaser | hehe just a couple |
| 03:57:27 | CloudChaser | how are you? |
| 03:57:40 | whardier | ooooooooooooooooh |
| 03:57:43 | whardier | not baaaaaaaaaaaaaaddddddddd |
| 03:57:47 | whardier | actually |
| 03:57:50 | whardier | I am a bad ass |
| 03:57:53 | whardier | no REALLY |
| 03:57:55 | CloudChaser | hehe |
| 03:57:57 | whardier | I beat up a moth today |
| 03:58:04 | CloudChaser | ooh |
| 03:58:07 | CloudChaser | you big meanie |
| 03:58:10 | whardier | haha |
| 03:58:13 | whardier | guess what else |
| 03:58:22 | CloudChaser | what |
| 03:58:24 | whardier | I must have vacuumed up 100's of em today |
| 03:58:26 | bill2or3 | anyone played the nethack-for-zaurus? |
| 03:58:43 | CloudChaser | i just got it ;) |
| 03:58:48 | CloudChaser | got killed once |
| 03:58:53 | CloudChaser | and got stuck in a bear trap |
| 03:58:57 | CloudChaser | thats where i am now |
| 03:58:57 | bill2or3 | how is the interface? |
| 03:59:09 | whardier | heh |
| 03:59:35 | CloudChaser | not sure what you mean by how is the interface |
| 03:59:46 | CloudChaser | it is an old game |
| 03:59:50 | CloudChaser | from what i read |
| 03:59:51 | whardier | bear traps are pretty simple |
| 03:59:54 | whardier | they have a quick interface |
| 03:59:57 | CloudChaser | i never played it before |
| 04:00:21 | whardier | kergoth` heh.. I might be testing openMosix over vtun |
| 04:00:24 | jmhodges | bill2or3: i have its nice |
| 04:00:27 | whardier | care to join the nodelist? |
| 04:00:31 | CloudChaser | oh yeah? how do you get out of it? |
| 04:00:34 | jmhodges | bill2or3: its all stylus thought which kinda sucks |
| 04:02:01 | kergoth` | whardier: mosix over vtun? hmm |
| 04:03:14 | whardier | kergoth` just as a test |
| 04:03:14 | whardier | haha |
| 04:03:23 | whardier | maybe I will just bounce connections all over the place to test it |
| 04:03:33 | whardier | bounce to alaska and back to another node |
| 04:08:39 | jmhodges | no way can it be this easy.. |
| 04:09:04 | W|GGL|T | what? |
| 04:09:38 | jmhodges | ok with a .backup, my initrd.bin, zImage and bootflag.txt in my CF card i just open up the battery compartment and hit full reset? |
| 04:10:26 | jmhodges | right? |
| 04:12:17 | jmhodges | wyvahn: problems? |
| 04:14:12 | W|GGL|T | looks like it |
| 04:15:47 | jmhodges | hm.. |
| 04:15:53 | jmhodges | i think i did this right.. |
| 04:15:57 | jmhodges | nope.. |
| 04:16:00 | jmhodges | stupid qtopia.. |
| 04:16:11 | W|GGL|T | that's why i won't screw with it yet |
| 04:16:35 | jmhodges | W|GGL|T: hehe |
| 04:17:12 | W|GGL|T | i WANT to, but not if its gonna have me running in circles constantly |
| 04:17:35 | jmhodges | well im going to figure the fucker out.. |
| 04:17:43 | Nicodeimous | eh? |
| 04:17:55 | W|GGL|T | jmhodges: that's the spirit |
| 04:18:06 | jmhodges | heh |
| 04:18:12 | Nicodeimous | Anyone seen a bejewelled like game for the openzaurus? |
| 04:18:23 | CloudChaser | hehe jm.. you resetting your z already? |
| 04:18:28 | jmhodges | CloudChaser: yep.. |
| 04:18:34 | CloudChaser | why? |
| 04:18:36 | W|GGL|T | prolly pays in the long run to keep with hacking. Me? I tend to run out of time when it comes to hacking linux and caring for my kids |
| 04:18:40 | jmhodges | i have two days before i leave.. and im an idiot :) |
| 04:18:45 | CloudChaser | lives in fear of resetting |
| 04:18:54 | jmhodges | i really do have things i should be doing.. |
| 04:18:55 | jmhodges | sigh.. |
| 04:19:09 | Nicodeimous | 4-=-10jmhodges4-=- - The flash didn't go well? |
| 04:19:13 | W|GGL|T | resetting should be fine if you have backups, no? |
| 04:19:42 | jmhodges | Nicodeimous: nope |
| 04:19:52 | jmhodges | it just reset my sharp rom |
| 04:19:57 | jmhodges | W|GGL|T: yep |
| 04:20:06 | jmhodges | just restore one.. |
| 04:21:52 | kergoth` | "<jmhodges> ok with a .backup, my initrd.bin, zImage and bootflag.txt in my CF card i just open up the battery compartment and hit full reset?" <-- nope. read the instructions on flashing on the sharp developer site. |
| 04:22:06 | jmhodges | argh i did.. |
| 04:22:11 | jmhodges | im guessing its the .backup.. |
| 04:22:33 | kergoth` | you hold c+d down and THEN tap full reset.. then you release c+d, wait for the flash to complete, and then hit full reset again |
| 04:22:57 | jmhodges | well i did the c, d part |
| 04:23:05 | kergoth` | did both lights turn on for a few minutes? |
| 04:23:12 | kergoth` | after hitting full reset i mean |
| 04:23:16 | jmhodges | hold im just going to do this again. |
| 04:23:21 | kergoth` | or did they both turn on then turn off right away |
| 04:23:53 | jmhodges | i forgot to look |
| 04:23:56 | jmhodges | is an idiot |
| 04:23:58 | jmhodges | sigh.. |
| 04:24:05 | kergoth` | hehe. np |
| 04:25:39 | jmhodges | they went on.. then they went off reaaal quick |
| 04:25:49 | jmhodges | i think i let go of c+d thought.. is that bad? |
| 04:26:49 | kergoth` | you should let go of c+d, only after you hit full reset |
| 04:26:55 | kergoth` | and also, when they flash and turn off right away.. |
| 04:27:02 | kergoth` | most often you're accidentally hitting another key along with c+d |
| 04:27:05 | kergoth` | it has to be ONLY c+d |
| 04:27:06 | jmhodges | shit.. |
| 04:27:21 | kergoth` | yeh it takes some practice |
| 04:27:22 | kergoth` | heh |
| 04:27:35 | jmhodges | now.. my z wont boot :) |
| 04:28:31 | [DrEvil] | what rom are you trying to install? |
| 04:28:34 | NoRemorse | jmhodges have u tried the reset button near the battery? |
| 04:28:44 | whardier | well |
| 04:28:44 | jmhodges | dammit dammit dammit |
| 04:28:46 | jmhodges | OZ |
| 04:28:47 | whardier | night peeps! |
| 04:28:50 | jmhodges | night whardier |
| 04:28:55 | kergoth` | night whardier |
| 04:28:58 | jmhodges | NoRemorse: yes. thats what im dooing |
| 04:28:58 | jmhodges | fsck |
| 04:29:05 | kergoth` | jmhodges: try the flash procedure again |
| 04:29:11 | jmhodges | i have been.. |
| 04:29:18 | [DrEvil] | keep trying |
| 04:29:22 | kergoth` | jmhodges: its not successful until you see both lights turn on and stay on for a few minutes |
| 04:29:34 | [DrEvil] | it took me a few times before I could do it in my sleep |
| 04:29:45 | jmhodges | now i cant get my Z to run |
| 04:29:55 | NoRemorse | can sum1 tell me how i check my rom ver? |
| 04:29:56 | CloudChaser | ohh whardier |
| 04:30:01 | kergoth` | jmhodges: elaborate |
| 04:30:06 | CloudChaser | you didn't tell me how to get out of that bear trap! |
| 04:30:46 | jmhodges | i slapped everything into place (battery case back on, back to Normal Operation, and then hit the Cancel button just to clear things up) but i had ttried to run the flash procedure a few times over.. |
| 04:30:55 | jmhodges | maybe ill het reset again.. |
| 04:31:12 | kergoth` | okay you still havent said what you mean by the Z not running |
| 04:31:14 | kergoth` | heh |
| 04:31:18 | jmhodges | it wouldnt turn on |
| 04:31:20 | jmhodges | or boot |
| 04:31:22 | jmhodges | or anything |
| 04:31:26 | jmhodges | just blank |
| 04:31:27 | kergoth` | hold down cancel instead of releasing it right away |
| 04:31:33 | kergoth` | hold it for a few seconds i mean |
| 04:31:43 | jmhodges | kergoth`: i just hit full reset again.. |
| 04:31:46 | jmhodges | ok.. |
| 04:32:30 | jmhodges | let me try this all again ;) |
| 04:32:31 | Nicodeimous | Is thier a new release of Openzaurus yet :) |
| 04:33:12 | kergoth` | beyond beta10? not yet. there are only a couple major feature adds I want done before I consider oz3 ready for release.. so not too long a wait |
| 04:33:53 | whardier | goes ans sneefs around for a bit |
| 04:34:02 | Nicodeimous | nod. Is the usb network feature of the Zaurus 5500 usable in the soon to be release final product? |
| 04:34:17 | kergoth` | yeh usb networking works |
| 04:34:35 | Nicodeimous | That would be sweet. |
| 04:34:48 | Nicodeimous | Its the only reason I am presently not running OZ. |
| 04:35:01 | [DrEvil] | IrDA |
| 04:35:08 | kergoth` | what about irda |
| 04:35:11 | [DrEvil] | beaming |
| 04:35:14 | kergoth` | ah |
| 04:35:19 | NoRemorse | does OZ support wlan? |
| 04:35:26 | kergoth` | beat sharp into releasing the code for libqobex |
| 04:35:32 | [DrEvil] | there is no gui to configure it as a networking option |
| 04:35:39 | kergoth` | oz doesnt support beaming |
| 04:35:42 | kergoth` | oz fully supports wlan |
| 04:36:09 | NoRemorse | hmm i'll stick with sharp rom |
| 04:36:17 | [DrEvil] | did you fix the SSID thing? |
| 04:36:30 | Nicodeimous | the new OZ will support USB Net and Syncing right? I mean without signifcant alterations made by users. |
| 04:36:35 | kergoth` | beaming will work once the Opie project either writes our own version of libqobex, or directly adds support for libopenobex to opie |
| 04:36:46 | jmhodges | is angered greatly |
| 04:36:47 | jmhodges | ok |
| 04:36:47 | [DrEvil] | there is always Evil ROM |
| 04:36:50 | kergoth` | yes, syncing and usb networking works fine in beta10 |
| 04:36:51 | kergoth` | heh |
| 04:36:53 | jmhodges | so i hit c+d |
| 04:37:04 | kergoth` | yeh i fixed the SSID thing, but i havent uploaded a new package to the feed yet |
| 04:37:05 | jmhodges | then i hit Full Reset (while holding c+d) |
| 04:37:07 | Nicodeimous | Does evil rom work on a Zaurus 5500? |
| 04:37:13 | [DrEvil] | yes |
| 04:37:15 | kergoth` | I only just got my cable modem setup at home here |
| 04:37:17 | kergoth` | today |
| 04:37:17 | kergoth` | heh |
| 04:37:20 | [DrEvil] | it works on my 5500 |
| 04:37:24 | jmhodges | then i let go of Full Reset and then let go of c+d |
| 04:37:27 | NoRemorse | whats evilrom? |
| 04:37:50 | [DrEvil] | my own version of the Sharp rom |
| 04:38:01 | [DrEvil] | complete with custom boot screen |
| 04:38:05 | Nicodeimous | could I have a url? And is the rom in a form that is flashable to the Zaurus? |
| 04:38:13 | jmhodges | is that the correct sequence? |
| 04:38:16 | [DrEvil] | it's not ready for everyone yet |
| 04:38:20 | NoRemorse | what windows system? qtopia still? |
| 04:38:21 | kergoth` | jmhodges: yep. |
| 04:38:31 | [DrEvil] | I ripped out some of the apps |
| 04:38:43 | kergoth` | I need to remember to write up that rom customization howto for zz |
| 04:38:43 | Speedy2 | DrEvil: Have you picked apart some of the gritty system level details? Bootloader entry points, etc? |
| 04:38:47 | kergoth` | i keep forgetting |
| 04:38:48 | [DrEvil] | and put things like sshd and samba in rom |
| 04:38:55 | [DrEvil] | I haven't messed with the kernel |
| 04:38:58 | Speedy2 | oh |
| 04:39:09 | [DrEvil] | I don't know if I want to go that far |
| 04:39:12 | kergoth` | Speedy2: what do you need to know? from what i understand we dont have much info on the bootloader |
| 04:39:17 | [DrEvil] | I do need to setup the cross compiler |
| 04:39:25 | Speedy2 | kergoth`: Umm, I want loads of info ;) |
| 04:39:33 | whardier | wants networked flash |
| 04:39:36 | NoRemorse | crosscompiler is easy |
| 04:39:39 | jmhodges | dammit |
| 04:39:44 | Nicodeimous | 4-=-10[DrEvil]4-=- - were can I get this rom? |
| 04:39:54 | [DrEvil] | Nicodeimous: I said it isn't ready yet |
| 04:40:03 | Nicodeimous | -sigh- |
| 04:40:06 | kergoth` | Speedy2: me too. heh. I need to send off a follow to my email to sharp regarding chip specs |
| 04:40:10 | whardier | fiunalyl got ananas working on OZ |
| 04:40:15 | [DrEvil] | I took the Hancom stuff out |
| 04:40:15 | kergoth` | nice |
| 04:40:22 | [DrEvil] | but then I install the ipks |
| 04:40:23 | whardier | it was really funky to x compile |
| 04:40:24 | Speedy2 | Off a fellow? What does that mean? |
| 04:40:27 | [DrEvil] | to somewhere else |
| 04:40:35 | Speedy2 | Err, send of a fellow to my email? |
| 04:40:36 | kergoth` | s/follow/follow up/ |
| 04:40:38 | kergoth` | heh |
| 04:40:46 | jmhodges | i did that.. and i got the same damn thing |
| 04:41:01 | whardier | boooold |
| 04:41:16 | [DrEvil] | jmhodges: did you by any chance keep a copy of the sharp rom? |
| 04:41:30 | whardier | sleeeeep.. |
| 04:41:35 | Nicodeimous | I have one if he needs it ... |
| 04:41:43 | whardier | pooop |
| 04:41:44 | jmhodges | [DrEvil]: i can get it back essy enough when i screw it pu.. just have to hit full reset |
| 04:41:55 | jmhodges | the problem is that the rom never gets overwritten |
| 04:42:09 | [DrEvil] | you aren't doing something right |
| 04:42:19 | [DrEvil] | did you press reset after you installed the new rom? |
| 04:42:29 | [DrEvil] | |
| 04:42:43 | whardier | oh bastard |
| 04:42:44 | jmhodges | [DrEvil]: you mean full reset? |
| 04:42:49 | [DrEvil] | yes |
| 04:42:55 | jmhodges | yes |
| 04:42:59 | whardier | now my screen gets big and bright when I switch BitchX screens! |
| 04:43:03 | jmhodges | thats how i get the sharp rom back |
| 04:43:05 | jmhodges | :( |
| 04:43:09 | whardier | clear |
| 04:43:11 | whardier | er |
| 04:43:13 | [DrEvil] | did you flip the switch back to normal mode? |
| 04:43:26 | jmhodges | yes |
| 04:43:37 | whardier | did you hut full reset after flipping it back |
| 04:43:38 | jmhodges | [DrEvil]: the problem is the Sharp rom doesnt get overwritten |
| 04:43:41 | whardier | *trick question* |
| 04:43:42 | jmhodges | yes |
| 04:43:46 | jmhodges | argh.. |
| 04:43:49 | [DrEvil] | http://home.earthlink.net/~xeraphin/Startup_screen.bmp |
| 04:43:56 | [DrEvil] | my evil rom splash screen |
| 04:44:00 | [DrEvil] | it needs some work |
| 04:44:13 | [DrEvil] | something raytraced |
| 04:44:17 | whardier | quite evil |
| 04:44:34 | whardier | use http://segfault.bogomip.com/spheresphere.png |
| 04:44:39 | whardier | its pretty on the Z screen |
| 04:44:48 | [DrEvil] | |
| 04:44:54 | whardier | |
| 04:45:03 | [DrEvil] | the problem is the prettier the screen the more space it takes in rom |
| 04:45:14 | [DrEvil] | |
| 04:45:17 | whardier | damnit |
| 04:45:19 | whardier | quit that |
| 04:45:20 | Nicodeimous | How do I use a custom startup screen on the Sharp Rom? |
| 04:45:29 | whardier | is on visual bell and its blinding me! |
| 04:45:39 | [DrEvil] | gouge your eyes out |
| 04:45:49 | [DrEvil] | Nicodeimous: look for that file on your Z |
| 04:45:51 | Nicodeimous | the righht or left one first? |
| 04:45:52 | jmhodges | argh.. |
| 04:45:57 | jmhodges | ok.. |
| 04:46:00 | jmhodges | hrmph.. |
| 04:46:03 | jmhodges | interesting.. |
| 04:46:04 | [DrEvil] | find / -name Startup_screen.bmp |
| 04:46:08 | [DrEvil] | replace it |
| 04:46:20 | [DrEvil] | it wont survive a hard reset unless you add it to the rom |
| 04:46:50 | [DrEvil] | hrmmm |
| 04:46:54 | [DrEvil] | dare I do what I am about to do |
| 04:47:12 | Nicodeimous | eh? |
| 04:47:21 | bill2or3 | what are they planning on using for a web browser in the Open rom? |
| 04:47:29 | NoRemorse | i changed to the latest sharp rom, does that survive full reset? |
| 04:47:34 | jmhodges | konq bill2or3 its already in |
| 04:47:37 | Nicodeimous | if I store it os SD and make a symlink to the location would that work? |
| 04:47:45 | bill2or3 | jm, how is it? good? |
| 04:47:52 | [DrEvil] | don't do that |
| 04:47:55 | [DrEvil] | it's a system file |
| 04:48:11 | whardier | runs off |
| 04:48:26 | [DrEvil] | I'm going to flash you if you leave |
| 04:48:43 | jmhodges | bill2or3: leave me alone.. until i fix tis. |
| 04:48:51 | whardier | heh |
| 04:48:57 | whardier | switches to another VT |
| 04:48:58 | W|GGL|T | hehe |
| 04:49:09 | jmhodges | i figured out my problem |
| 04:49:10 | whardier | I don't wanna see [DrEvil] flash nothin |
| 04:49:18 | NoRemorse | tkcJabber shows /me |
| 04:49:21 | jmhodges | well i think i figured it out |
| 04:49:28 | whardier | jmhodges pull your ass out of the other dimension? |
| 04:49:37 | Nicodeimous | Thats software I don't have :) |
| 04:49:42 | whardier | pooping in other dimensions is littering |
| 04:49:47 | whardier | and is a fineable offence |
| 04:50:09 | W|GGL|T | nice startup screen |
| 04:50:10 | W|GGL|T | hehe |
| 04:50:28 | Nicodeimous | Anyhows ... so if a copy over the startup_screen.bmp isn't that basically the same as makeing a symlink over it? |
| 04:50:33 | jmhodges | cant see bmp... :( |
| 04:50:33 | [DrEvil] | the font is perfect |
| 04:51:04 | [DrEvil] | Nicodeimous: I don't know what would happen to the boot sequence if the file is missing because the SD card isn't in the Z |
| 04:51:20 | [DrEvil] | and I am also not sure if the screen starts before or after the SD stuff starts |
| 04:51:36 | kergoth` | iirc that screen is started in the qtopia startup script |
| 04:51:41 | kergoth` | so sd would be up and running |
| 04:51:43 | kergoth` | hey hunger |
| 04:51:44 | kergoth` | how goes it |
| 04:52:08 | Nicodeimous | sigh ... |
| 04:52:50 | Nicodeimous | heck wit it. I'll copy the file with the new then ... :) |
| 04:52:58 | Nicodeimous | what about the wait screen? |
| 04:53:09 | [DrEvil] | the Sharp screen is always there |
| 04:53:21 | Nicodeimous | SO I can't replace it. |
| 04:53:35 | [DrEvil] | not the one with Sharp in red letters |
| 04:53:42 | kergoth` | well you can replace hte sharp screen, oz does.. but you have to inline the image into a header file and rebuild the kernel |
| 04:53:43 | kergoth` | heh |
| 04:53:56 | Nicodeimous | ouch |
| 04:54:04 | Nicodeimous | Okay. |
| 04:54:19 | Speedy2 | kergoth: Is the image file like a PCX or something? |
| 04:54:50 | Nicodeimous | kergoth - How do I get the opie-sounds to work in Qtopia? It works when I run OZ but not on the Sharp image. |
| 04:55:01 | bill2or3 | anyone used the DemoLinux iso file in VMware? |
| 04:55:14 | W|GGL|T | puts his finger on jmhodges' carotid artery |
| 04:55:28 | kergoth` | alright i need some sleep. ttyl |
| 04:55:58 | jmhodges | ewwww W|GGL|T |
| 04:56:15 | jmhodges | ah ha! |
| 04:56:39 | jmhodges | closer and closer still |
| 05:00:06 | jmhodges | bam! |
| 05:00:09 | jmhodges | there we go! |
| 05:00:14 | jmhodges | does his happy dance |
| 05:00:26 | jmhodges | my stupid stupid files where in the Documents dir |
| 05:01:02 | [DrEvil] | yay |
| 05:01:10 | [DrEvil] | 11420 frames in 5.000 seconds = 2284.000 FPS |
| 05:01:31 | jmhodges | whoa on what? |
| 05:01:50 | [DrEvil] | this nvida card |
| 05:02:12 | [DrEvil] | lets see if it is more stable than last time |
| 05:02:30 | [DrEvil] | this computer did not get alone with this card very well a few driver versions back |
| 05:03:30 | jmhodges | hm.. interesting.. |
| 05:03:44 | jmhodges | how long does the first boot usually take? |
| 05:03:52 | jmhodges | is just getting the Sharp screen |
| 05:04:05 | jmhodges | maybe if i hit Full Reset again.. |
| 05:06:00 | [DrEvil] | we missed you |
| 05:06:07 | jmhodges | this voids my warranty doesnt it |
| 05:06:09 | jmhodges | ? |
| 05:06:11 | jmhodges | [DrEvil]: hehe |
| 05:06:37 | W|GGL|T | messing with the roms void the warranty? |
| 05:06:50 | jmhodges | hm.. bet not.. |
| 05:07:12 | W|GGL|T | not when you can just reinstall stock one, i guess |
| 05:07:56 | jmhodges | shivers with rage.. ok |
| 05:08:24 | [DrEvil] | you tempted fate by trying to install OZ |
| 05:08:45 | jmhodges | sigh.. i know.. |
| 05:08:52 | jmhodges | now i cant even boot |
| 05:09:53 | jmhodges | hm.. |
| 05:09:56 | jmhodges | interesting.. |
| 05:10:42 | jmhodges | now the c+d thing wont wokr. |
| 05:10:48 | jmhodges | curses himself |
| 05:11:38 | jmhodges | ah there |
| 05:14:50 | jmhodges | ok |
| 05:15:02 | jmhodges | ive done the c+d Full Reset thing |
| 05:15:16 | jmhodges | what do i do after that? (im trying to make sure of the setopl.. im not getting them right) |
| 05:16:00 | jmhodges | hello? |
| 05:16:18 | W|GGL|T | cannot offer help |
| 05:17:51 | jmhodges | shoot.. |
| 05:17:59 | jmhodges | i must not have something on my cf card right |
| 05:18:06 | jmhodges | ok so i just fucked my Z over |
| 05:18:12 | jmhodges | i knew i shouldnt have done this |
| 05:18:16 | jmhodges | ljp: you there? |
| 05:18:24 | W|GGL|T | just go back to stock |
| 05:18:39 | jmhodges | W|GGL|T: how? |
| 05:18:46 | jmhodges | i cant boot at all |
| 05:18:51 | W|GGL|T | doh |
| 05:18:59 | jmhodges | it just gives me the Sharp screen |
| 05:19:01 | jmhodges | oh man... |
| 05:19:04 | W|GGL|T | there's got to be a way |
| 05:19:08 | jmhodges | i know.. |
| 05:19:16 | W|GGL|T | just wait until someone comes back from afk |
| 05:20:05 | jmhodges | wonders where all the nice OZ pepole went |
| 05:21:15 | [DrEvil] | they knew you needed help |
| 05:21:17 | [DrEvil] | so they left |
| 05:21:21 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 05:21:39 | NoRemorse | jmhodges where r u? |
| 05:22:04 | jmhodges | NoRemorse: whadda ya mean? |
| 05:22:16 | NoRemorse | country? |
| 05:22:40 | jmhodges | us |
| 05:22:52 | NoRemorse | ah ok |
| 05:25:05 | CloudChaser | - |
| 05:31:49 | jmhodges | ARGH |
| 05:44:44 | jmhodges | hey codemnky |
| 05:44:49 | jmhodges | codemnky: you use OZ? |
| 05:46:51 | W|GGL|T | jmhodges: it still locked? |
| 05:47:22 | W|GGL|T | wonders if taking out the battery and leaving it out for 5 min will work |
| 05:47:45 | jmhodges | W|GGL|T: its not locked.. its like theres nothing to boot into |
| 05:47:50 | jmhodges | like theres no OS |
| 05:47:51 | jmhodges | .. |
| 05:47:58 | jmhodges | ill try that anyway though :) |
| 05:48:02 | y0ssarian | jmhodges: can you hit / as it's booting to enter the console? |
| 05:48:09 | y0ssarian | or does it not get that far? |
| 05:48:17 | jmhodges | doesnt get that far |
| 05:48:23 | jmhodges | theres no text |
| 05:50:19 | y0ssarian | so it's stuck on the sharp logo screen? |
| 05:50:50 | jmhodges | yep |
| 05:51:52 | y0ssarian | so either you flashed it with a corrupt image, or somehow the flashing process messed up |
| 05:52:00 | jmhodges | i think its the former |
| 05:52:07 | y0ssarian | tried flashing again i assume? |
| 05:52:16 | jmhodges | many times |
| 05:52:33 | y0ssarian | lol, don't have a external cf reader i guess |
| 05:52:39 | jmhodges | no.. |
| 05:52:44 | W|GGL|T | does |
| 05:52:49 | jmhodges | dude.. i knew i shouldnt have done this.. |
| 05:52:50 | y0ssarian | well, i predict that you will invest in one |
| 05:52:58 | jmhodges | y0ssarian: how much is it? |
| 05:53:03 | jmhodges | and can i use it for anything else? |
| 05:53:04 | W|GGL|T | not that much |
| 05:53:15 | W|GGL|T | i bought mine for like $20 or so |
| 05:53:18 | W|GGL|T | best buy |
| 05:53:18 | jmhodges | oh ok.. |
| 05:53:19 | jmhodges | few.. |
| 05:53:21 | jmhodges | alright.. |
| 05:53:29 | y0ssarian | yeah, i have a sandisk for like $25 a year ago |
| 05:53:30 | jmhodges | i would right that done in my TODO list but.. |
| 05:53:37 | y0ssarian | digicam uses cf too |
| 05:53:58 | codemnky | hey |
| 05:54:01 | codemnky | i'm alive! |
| 05:54:05 | y0ssarian | wonders if he could plug his cf wlan card into the usb reader.... |
| 05:54:23 | codemnky | i've used OZ, currently i have the lastest sharp image installed |
| 05:54:48 | codemnky | in ref to your question above |
| 05:55:21 | NoRemorse | codemnky how do i check my rom version please? |
| 05:55:31 | W|GGL|T | hrmm...73 kb/s |
| 05:56:32 | jmhodges_ | sirrt |
| 05:56:34 | jmhodges_ | xchat went nuts |
| 05:56:36 | jmhodges_ | what did you guys say? |
| 05:56:54 | jmhodges | hello? |
| 05:57:30 | W|GGL|T | i'll cut/paste |
| 05:57:33 | y0ssarian | <codemnky> i've used OZ, currently i have the lastest sharp image installed |
| 05:57:35 | jmhodges | k |
| 05:57:35 | W|GGL|T | <jmhodges> alright.. |
| 05:57:35 | W|GGL|T | <y0ssarian> yeah, i have a sandisk for like $25 a year ago |
| 05:57:35 | W|GGL|T | <jmhodges> i would right that done in my TODO list but.. |
| 05:57:35 | W|GGL|T | <y0ssarian> digicam uses cf too |
| 05:57:35 | W|GGL|T | <codemnky> hey |
| 05:57:36 | W|GGL|T | <codemnky> i'm alive! |
| 05:57:38 | W|GGL|T | * y0ssarian wonders if he could plug his cf wlan card into the usb reader.... |
| 05:57:40 | W|GGL|T | <codemnky> i've used OZ, currently i have the lastest sharp image installed |
| 05:57:42 | W|GGL|T | <codemnky> in ref to your question above |
| 05:57:44 | W|GGL|T | <NoRemorse> codemnky how do i check my rom version please? |
| 05:57:51 | jmhodges | thank you |
| 05:57:52 | jmhodges | ok.. |
| 05:57:57 | W|GGL|T | sorry for flood |
| 05:57:58 | jmhodges | what exactly can a cf reader do? |
| 05:58:03 | jmhodges | thanks W|GGL|T |
| 05:58:38 | W|GGL|T | read cf card from pcmcia slot or usb or whatever |
| 05:58:50 | W|GGL|T | provides more versatility |
| 05:58:58 | jmhodges | ok so how can i use it to fix my Z? |
| 05:59:26 | y0ssarian | use it to put a good rom image on the cf card |
| 05:59:26 | NoRemorse | can z boot from cf? |
| 05:59:55 | y0ssarian | doesn't boot, but if you hold down the right key combinations, it copies the file on the cf card to flash rom |
| 06:00:27 | jmhodges | oh so it can right as well. goodie |
| 06:00:32 | jmhodges | s/right/write |
| 06:00:44 | NoRemorse | cool |
| 06:00:50 | W|GGL|T | ooops...i shoulda said that |
| 06:01:13 | jmhodges | heh |
| 06:01:30 | W|GGL|T | is downloading OZ and latest sharp rom right now |
| 06:01:49 | W|GGL|T | gonna install one of them instead of sleeping |
| 06:02:02 | y0ssarian | lol, sleep is overrated |
| 06:02:04 | W|GGL|T | im gonna blow my shit up before i go to bed |
| 06:02:26 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 06:02:29 | jmhodges | i need to fix this.. |
| 06:02:34 | jmhodges | ok.. im going to bed. |
| 06:02:41 | jmhodges | i got stuff to do tomorrow (like packing) |
| 06:02:53 | NoRemorse | if u upgrade rom then restore a backup does it wipe any of the new rom? |
| 06:02:58 | jmhodges | ill see if i cant run out to Radio Shack and grab up a reader.. |
| 06:03:04 | jmhodges | then ill load something on my Z |
| 06:03:08 | jmhodges | then do all my chores.. |
| 06:03:08 | y0ssarian | you might have better luck at walmart |
| 06:03:10 | jmhodges | then pack.. |
| 06:03:17 | y0ssarian | i've never seen them at radio shack |
| 06:03:25 | jmhodges | y0ssarian: really?! weird.. ok .cool |
| 06:03:29 | W|GGL|T | hates rs with a passion |
| 06:03:30 | y0ssarian | of course, all of the radio shacks here suck |
| 06:03:38 | y0ssarian | yeah, all radio shacks suck |
| 06:03:54 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 06:04:07 | codemnky | back again |
| 06:04:16 | codemnky | you check the version in system info |
| 06:04:39 | NoRemorse | ta where is sysinfo? |
| 06:05:09 | codemnky | front page |
| 06:05:12 | y0ssarian | NoRemorse: on the appilcations tab |
| 06:05:18 | codemnky | little green circle |
| 06:05:27 | jmhodges | ok im outta here.. |
| 06:05:29 | NoRemorse | ah ta |
| 06:05:30 | y0ssarian | later |
| 06:05:31 | jmhodges | got stuff to doo.. |
| 06:05:34 | jmhodges | and sleep to get |
| 06:05:39 | jmhodges | :) |
| 06:05:41 | jmhodges | seeya |
| 06:05:42 | codemnky | later |
| 06:05:46 | jmhodges | bbtomorrow |
| 06:06:06 | codemnky | *crickets* |
| 06:06:14 | NoRemorse | 44rom 2.2 |
| 06:06:31 | NoRemorse | fuck my fn key is stuck on gain |
| 06:06:44 | W|GGL|T | wonders which zimage is better, 32/32, 40/24/ or 48/16 |
| 06:06:48 | W|GGL|T | prolly silly question |
| 06:07:34 | codemnky | well lets hear it |
| 06:07:57 | W|GGL|T | which zimage is better, 32/32, 40/24/ or 48/16? |
| 06:08:02 | W|GGL|T | OZ |
| 06:08:32 | codemnky | what's the difference with them |
| 06:08:50 | W|GGL|T | RAM division, i think |
| 06:08:53 | W|GGL|T | teag |
| 06:08:56 | W|GGL|T | er...yeah |
| 06:09:13 | codemnky | which ram division is better :) |
| 06:09:42 | W|GGL|T | stock rom does 32/32, so i guess i'll stick with that |
| 06:09:45 | y0ssarian | depends on what you're using it for |
| 06:10:03 | W|GGL|T | just wondering if its something to be anal about |
| 06:10:12 | W|GGL|T | readme file doesn't say much about it |
| 06:10:42 | y0ssarian | not really, if you have less storage space you just can't install as much |
| 06:10:59 | y0ssarian | although, i have run out of memory a few times with 32mb |
| 06:11:10 | y0ssarian | looking at great big webpages in opera |
| 06:11:17 | W|GGL|T | ahh |
| 06:11:33 | W|GGL|T | i barely play with the Z as it is...not much on it |
| 06:11:50 | y0ssarian | in that case, the default is probably fine |
| 06:12:55 | W|GGL|T | ok |
| 06:12:56 | W|GGL|T | thanks |
| 06:14:49 | codemnky | l8r |
| 06:16:00 | W|GGL|T | when you backup your Z using the backup utility, it just backs up the PIM information and settings and not the apps themselves? |
| 06:16:04 | NoRemorse | whats url of a feed with latest opie player? |
| 06:16:13 | W|GGL|T | like third party apps? |
| 06:16:39 | y0ssarian | hmmm |
| 06:16:43 | NoRemorse | definitely does apps in ram wig |
| 06:17:06 | W|GGL|T | doh |
| 06:17:28 | W|GGL|T | wasn't running on all cylinders when he asked that question |
| 06:18:10 | NoRemorse | does it backup stuff from rom like kernel? |
| 06:18:47 | W|GGL|T | i dont think so |
| 06:20:00 | NoRemorse | for gprs on irda do i use irda-ppp ? |
| 06:20:03 | y0ssarian | no, that's in the rom |
| 06:20:11 | NoRemorse | ta |
| 06:20:19 | y0ssarian | gprs? |
| 06:20:25 | y0ssarian | wassat? |
| 06:20:46 | NoRemorse | perm connection on gsm mobile |
| 06:20:51 | y0ssarian | general packet radio service |
| 06:20:54 | y0ssarian | k |
| 06:30:49 | W|GGL|T | damn box froze after i removed the Z from the cradle |
| 06:32:21 | y0ssarian | that sucks |
| 06:32:46 | y0ssarian | what os? |
| 06:32:56 | W|GGL|T | slackware 8.0 |
| 06:34:48 | W|GGL|T | under the 'Q' button, under 'Applications', there's supposed to be an 'UpdateROM'?? |
| 06:35:41 | y0ssarian | i don't have one |
| 06:35:55 | y0ssarian | maybe if you installed the app that updates to the 2.2 sharp rom |
| 06:36:24 | y0ssarian | but after you install the new rom, the updaterom thing goes away |
| 06:36:43 | W|GGL|T | me either. http://www.myzaurus.com/ROMupdate2.asp states that you have to use that function to update to 2.2 ROM |
| 06:36:50 | W|GGL|T | well, this is my first update |
| 06:37:00 | W|GGL|T | came stock with 2.12 |
| 06:37:03 | W|GGL|T | weird |
| 06:37:09 | W|GGL|T | im trying to install OZ |
| 06:37:22 | y0ssarian | i don't know if you can use the updateROM thing for that |
| 06:37:34 | y0ssarian | updateROM is a seperate program |
| 06:37:41 | y0ssarian | used to update to the newest sharp rom |
| 06:37:52 | y0ssarian | but i don't know if you can use it to install OZ |
| 06:37:53 | y0ssarian | maybe |
| 06:38:06 | y0ssarian | but i think i would stick with the cf method for OZ |
| 06:38:21 | W|GGL|T | lemme try that then |
| 06:38:26 | W|GGL|T | crosses his fingers |
| 07:10:52 | W|GGL|T | notes there's two webpages with two different ways to install rom |
| 07:11:49 | W|GGL|T | whoa |
| 07:12:08 | W|GGL|T | openzaurus baybee |
| 07:12:53 | W|GGL|T | grr...lint under my screen |
| 07:14:20 | NoRemorse | can z print? |
| 07:15:13 | W|GGL|T | had hardly any problems upgrading to OZ beta 10 |
| 07:16:40 | W|GGL|T | damn...jffs2 is sucking up alot of RAM |
| 07:16:50 | y0ssarian | OZ uses jffs? cool |
| 07:17:17 | y0ssarian | NoRemorse: if your printer has an IR port, I think that it can |
| 07:17:53 | NoRemorse | so no network printers |
| 07:17:59 | y0ssarian | dunno |
| 07:18:05 | NoRemorse | k |
| 07:18:07 | W|GGL|T | doh...no hwr |
| 07:18:22 | y0ssarian | i imagine that if you were to compile lpr for it it probably could |
| 07:18:47 | y0ssarian | really?? that sucks.... |
| 07:19:55 | W|GGL|T | recalibrator won't close |
| 07:23:41 | y0ssarian | is away: sleep... |
| 07:31:07 | W|GGL|T | damn...no backup app for OZ |
| 07:32:39 | W|GGL|T | needs to take notes...some things i don't like about OZ |
| 07:35:04 | W|GGL|T | is calling it the night...i just KNOW the kids will wake up at 7am, meaning i'll have 4.5 hrs sleep |
| 07:39:34 | W|GGL|T | is away: I'm busy smoking a blunt or sleeping or something |
| 09:07:18 | mark | hi dc_ |
| 09:37:41 | mark | Sugar: seen benmeyer |
| 09:37:41 | Sugar | mark: I last saw benmeyer quitting IRC 36h 41m 36s ago. |
| 09:37:51 | | benmeyer was last seen on #zaurus 1 days, 12 hours, 42 minutes and 0 seconds ago, saying: see you all monday [Fri Jun 7 21:55:51 2002] |
| 09:37:51 | mark | ibot: seen benmeyer |
| 10:49:40 | wembly | how do i make/unmake flash images for the zaurus? |
| 12:02:05 | mark | anyone about? |
| 12:17:22 | wembly | hihi |
| 12:22:32 | Twiun | Yup... I'm about... just about ;-) |
| 12:25:24 | mark | hi Twiun, wembly |
| 12:25:57 | mark | things are slow here on the weekend |
| 12:26:31 | wembly | hehe |
| 12:28:33 | Twiun | Yeah... it's time to wind down |
| 12:33:08 | mark | grr |
| 12:33:21 | mark | how do I use DocLnk to create a new .desktop file? |
| 12:37:45 | mark | oh thats neat |
| 12:50:40 | NoRemorse | heya george |
| 13:20:29 | rectal- | How much is the SL5000D from Sharp after registering as a developer? |
| 13:20:38 | mark | rectal-: you cant get it any more |
| 13:20:45 | mark | rectal-: ebay is ur best bet |
| 13:21:33 | rectal- | mark: how much were they going for before they stopped selling them? |
| 13:22:42 | mark | rectal-: no idea, i won mine |
| 13:23:00 | rectal- | mark: heh, cool |
| 13:41:42 | wembly | why would you want the sl5000d? |
| 13:42:51 | mark | hi George- |
| 13:43:25 | George- | hi mark |
| 13:43:29 | George- | I got dual head to work :) |
| 13:44:51 | wembly | george: dual head for what? |
| 13:45:06 | mark | George-: his head is so empty he needs two to make up for it |
| 13:45:22 | George- | wembly: yeh, believe mark :) |
| 13:45:29 | wembly | dual head for what? |
| 13:45:33 | George- | wembly: actually dual head on my evil winxp box |
| 13:45:38 | wembly | ahh |
| 13:45:38 | wembly | spiffs |
| 13:45:39 | ljp | my firewall is headless |
| 13:45:46 | wembly | my firewall isnt :) |
| 13:45:47 | George- | ljp: firewalls generally are :) |
| 13:45:55 | George- | ljp: but mine isn't |
| 13:46:00 | George- | hmm |
| 13:46:11 | George- | y'know that SDK some of us got for entering the trolltech contest? |
| 13:46:16 | George- | Is it the commercial edition? |
| 13:46:19 | George- | or the GPL one |
| 13:46:40 | ljp | my firewall doubles as a compiler in my compiler farm |
| 13:46:47 | George- | heh |
| 13:46:57 | ljp | and I'm sittin at my byte tractor |
| 13:47:00 | George- | my firewall doubles as a video editing terminal |
| 13:47:00 | NoRemorse | ljp how far off is opieplayer with the %20 fix? |
| 13:47:37 | ljp | dont know.. harlekin was at linuxtag, we'll look into .. I'll keep buggin him to sit down with me |
| 13:47:50 | NoRemorse | ta man |
| 13:47:58 | CloudChaser | - |
| 13:54:21 | ljp | we're waiting for the cvs dust to settle.. heh |
| 13:56:41 | roge99 | ljp: did kergoth ever get the cvs prob fixed ? |
| 13:59:45 | ljp | apparently a merge did get backed out, and moved to a seperate branch, there were too many cvs mails to look through... |
| 14:00:16 | ljp | but someone was saying it didnt look correct still |
| 14:00:43 | CloudChaser | if i wanted to set up my news reader for the zaurus newsgroup |
| 14:00:54 | CloudChaser | what would the address be? |
| 14:00:58 | CloudChaser | does anyone know? |
| 14:01:36 | CloudChaser | i can get to web site where the zaurus-general is but i want to search the archives and can't find a way to do that |
| 14:02:36 | ljp | not sure there is a zaurus newsgroup, there was something on yahoo, but its been closed |
| 14:03:13 | CloudChaser | there is and i have subscribed to it |
| 14:03:17 | CloudChaser | and get digests in my email |
| 14:03:34 | CloudChaser | and have it set up on other partition |
| 14:03:39 | CloudChaser | hehe guess i'll have to reboot |
| 14:03:46 | CloudChaser | and see what its calle |
| 14:03:48 | CloudChaser | d |
| 14:04:04 | CloudChaser | ljp do you have a 5500? |
| 14:06:49 | CloudChaser | - |
| 14:07:11 | CloudChaser | i seem to be having some irc lag |
| 14:09:42 | ljp | no, a have 5000d |
| 14:10:04 | CloudChaser | oh |
| 14:11:06 | ljp | just a different memory config, really |
| 14:11:26 | CloudChaser | i just wanted to see what another 5500 says for memory |
| 14:11:45 | CloudChaser | mine says total memory 28815kb |
| 14:12:02 | CloudChaser | internal storage 32619 kb |
| 14:12:18 | CloudChaser | i'd think it should be 32619 for both |
| 14:12:23 | CloudChaser | to get to 65 mb |
| 14:12:47 | CloudChaser | er i mean 64 mb |
| 14:13:09 | CloudChaser | was kind of wondering where the other 4 went |
| 14:14:58 | George- | CloudChaser: the 4mb is used for the kernel, right? |
| 14:15:09 | George- | and initrd |
| 14:15:23 | George- | I'm not sure, I haven't got my Z yet |
| 14:15:57 | CloudChaser | i don't know :) isn't that on the ROM? |
| 14:16:07 | wembly | how do you get info outa the rom flash file? |
| 14:16:23 | wembly | how do you makeit/extract info from it? |
| 14:17:08 | CloudChaser | don't know wembly |
| 14:19:06 | roge99 | wembly: you need to extract the initrd.bin file from the rom |
| 14:19:16 | roge99 | then mount it via loopback fs |
| 14:35:00 | George- | where can you buy screen protectors for the Z? |
| 14:49:07 | George- | Cloud: Yes, the kernel is in the RAM, not the ROM, it's stored in ROM, but loaded to RAM on bootup |
| 14:49:30 | George- | afaik |
| 14:49:53 | George- | that's what happens on my Psion anyway :) |
| 14:53:54 | wembly | roge99: and how do you do any of that? |
| 14:54:21 | wembly | george: well of course its loaded to ram on bootup hheh |
| 14:54:28 | wembly | george: where do you expect it to be? :) |
| 14:59:03 | W|GGL|T | is back (gone 07:19:28) |
| 15:00:21 | roge99 | wembly: for extracting use dd ...... dd bs=131072 if=romimage count=113 skip=14 of=initrd.bin works on the 5000D roms |
| 15:00:49 | wembly | roge99: how do you find the offsets and such? |
| 15:01:06 | roge99 | hmm i think i got those numbers from kergoth |
| 15:01:11 | wembly | skip == number of bytes to skip from beginning of file no? |
| 15:01:16 | roge99 | yep |
| 15:01:27 | wembly | is it just like setup like a harddrive? |
| 15:01:32 | W|GGL|T | there's a zaurus newsgroup? |
| 15:01:37 | roge99 | actually the nuber of blocks to skip |
| 15:03:33 | roge99 | you know how to set up a loopback fs ? |
| 15:03:57 | wembly | roge99: yea |
| 15:04:07 | wembly | roge99: im wondering tho how that is determined. |
| 15:04:28 | roge99 | how what is determined |
| 15:04:43 | wembly | the skip |
| 15:05:04 | wembly | blocksize being 131072 |
| 15:05:12 | wembly | meaning it'll skip 131072*14 no? |
| 15:05:15 | roge99 | right |
| 15:05:27 | roge99 | the kernel is the first part of the rom |
| 15:05:42 | roge99 | so you need to skip over it to get to the cramfs |
| 15:06:15 | wembly | herm. |
| 15:06:25 | wembly | is there any signature for what is what? |
| 15:07:18 | roge99 | i dont know |
| 15:07:41 | roge99 | there may be at the begining of the cramfs |
| 15:08:31 | roge99 | dump a few different roms or create a few cramfs files and look at the first few bytes with a hex editor |
| 15:09:01 | roge99 | anyhow ...... i gota run |
| 15:09:06 | roge99 | later |
| 15:09:08 | wembly | how is the thing made to begin with? |
| 15:09:20 | roge99 | the rom or a cramfs |
| 15:09:45 | wembly | the rom |
| 15:10:53 | roge99 | the rom has the bootloader the kernel and the inird.bin all stuck together |
| 15:11:26 | roge99 | you really dont want to reload the bootloader .. thats the only thing that can fsck up your Z when you flash |
| 15:12:14 | roge99 | you can just flash the kernel and initrd.bin by having them in the CF insead of the romimage |
| 15:12:30 | roge99 | this way theres no chance of bricking your Z |
| 15:13:32 | roge99 | talk w/ kergoth on this ... he has more info than I do on this |
| 15:13:47 | roge99 | I gota run .. |
| 15:13:53 | roge99 | is away: out-n-about |
| 15:22:27 | hardwire | long time no spleen! |
| 15:23:26 | tux_mike | whar: lay off the crack, ok? |
| 15:24:44 | hardwire | no |
| 15:37:46 | ljp | spleen this to me: how can I do like that AES project, and use my zaurus' mic (heh), and record high quality audio wirelessly on some else's machine? |
| 15:38:37 | mark | ljp: ssh it across? |
| 15:40:28 | hardwire | esd |
| 15:40:35 | hardwire | thats why I ported over esd |
| 15:41:01 | hardwire | howeveer that was for sending |
| 15:41:07 | hardwire | I need to mangle the code for the Z |
| 15:41:18 | hardwire | to use /dev/dsp0 and 1 |
| 15:42:01 | hardwire | then from a remote machine I just type "esdrec --server:zaurus:16001 | tee out.dump | esdcat" |
| 15:42:22 | hardwire | then from a remote machine I just type "esdrec --server=zaurus:16001 | tee out.dump | esdcat" |
| 15:42:36 | hardwire | if you have esd installed I can demonstrate it right now |
| 15:42:45 | hardwire | ever them there innernut |
| 15:44:22 | ljp | no typey, my fingers are broken |
| 15:44:56 | hardwire | ? |
| 15:45:59 | hardwire | esdmon -s segfault.bogomip.com -m | esdcat -m |
| 15:46:08 | hardwire | just type that after you run esd -tcp -public |
| 15:46:11 | hardwire | on your own machine |
| 15:46:15 | ljp | can you make that clickable? |
| 15:46:22 | hardwire | not really |
| 15:46:30 | hardwire | what happened to your chubby digits |
| 15:46:35 | ljp | yes.. me want clicky clicky |
| 15:46:42 | hardwire | hehe |
| 15:46:53 | hardwire | you could cut and paste that to another vt |
| 15:47:00 | hardwire | all with mousey |
| 15:47:22 | ljp | 2 button: "Do" "Don't" |
| 15:47:35 | hardwire | apparently your brain is broken as well |
| 15:47:38 | ljp | esshh.. really.. esd? |
| 15:47:50 | hardwire | has used ESD for a few years |
| 15:48:02 | ljp | how about multi track? |
| 15:48:14 | hardwire | esd and multitracking? |
| 15:48:19 | ljp | :D |
| 15:48:21 | hardwire | I dunno.. never had more than a few soundcards |
| 15:48:32 | hardwire | you can pull in from like a billion sources at once |
| 15:48:41 | hardwire | and write each to a different file |
| 15:48:44 | ljp | heh my sound cards have many outs |
| 15:49:04 | hardwire | heh.. well you are just avoiding doing stuff I want you to do |
| 15:49:26 | hardwire | bbl |
| 16:25:16 | prpplague | anyone running x on the zaurus? |
| 16:39:25 | Nadav | what's the battery life of the 5500? |
| 16:40:09 | wembly | nadav: depends on how you use it |
| 16:40:48 | Nadav | uh |
| 16:41:10 | Nadav | nothing too heavy (no mp3s etc) |
| 16:50:38 | mark | Neo|Home: ping? |
| 16:51:00 | Neo|Laptop | yes? |
| 16:51:23 | mark | Neo|Laptop: this on the fly decompression thing - how did you do it? |
| 16:51:34 | Neo|Laptop | gunzip |
| 16:51:56 | Neo|Laptop | or to be exact, a small shellscript which gunzips to /tmp/ and runs it from there |
| 16:52:01 | mark | just unziped to a temp location and access from there? |
| 16:52:10 | Neo|Laptop | note however that I'm considering changing it |
| 16:52:29 | Neo|Laptop | mainly because of /tmp/ happens to be SD, it's slow. :P |
| 16:52:37 | mark | he |
| 16:52:37 | mark | h |
| 16:52:44 | mark | i just wanna compress my images |
| 16:53:34 | W|GGL|T | seen jmhodges |
| 16:53:39 | mark | Neo|Laptop: what you considering changing to? |
| 16:53:52 | W|GGL|T | !seen jmhodges |
| 16:54:12 | Neo|Laptop | mark: no compression |
| 16:54:41 | Neo|Laptop | an in-the-memory-only decompression would be cute, but. :P |
| 16:54:50 | rodzilla | I haven't seen jmhodges today |
| 16:54:58 | rodzilla | in here or #lunar either |
| 16:55:06 | mark | Neo|Laptop: yeyp :) |
| 16:55:50 | rodzilla | is impaitiently waiting for UPS to deliver his Z |
| 16:56:01 | bill2or3 | can you partition a SD into 2 partitions, and mount them both? |
| 16:56:07 | rodzilla | W|GGL|IT: if I see him I'll let him know you're looking for him |
| 16:57:12 | W|GGL|T | thank you rodzilla |
| 16:57:46 | W|GGL|T | i just wanted to let him know that I installed OZ last night and it only took an hour...i know he was having problems |
| 16:58:21 | rodzilla | you can still install ipkg stuff and all with oz right? |
| 16:58:41 | W|GGL|T | yeah |
| 16:58:53 | W|GGL|T | installation app is a bit different though |
| 16:59:00 | rodzilla | I may wait a few days from when I get my Z |
| 16:59:04 | W|GGL|T | and im sure commandline works |
| 16:59:04 | rodzilla | should be here Wednesday |
| 16:59:13 | rodzilla | you tried opie yet? |
| 16:59:17 | W|GGL|T | you'll love it |
| 16:59:20 | W|GGL|T | no, not yet |
| 16:59:43 | rodzilla | can you download a Sharp rom as a backup? |
| 17:00:04 | W|GGL|T | yeah, that's what i did, in case the OZ install messed up |
| 17:00:18 | rodzilla | where you get it at? |
| 17:00:18 | wembly | anyhow nini |
| 17:00:39 | W|GGL|T | notes theres some things he doesn't like about OZ....but oh well, its beta, a works in progress |
| 17:00:56 | wembly | nini |
| 17:01:00 | bill2or3 | are there OZ screenshots somewhere? |
| 17:01:01 | W|GGL|T | nini |
| 17:01:01 | W|GGL|T | hehe |
| 17:01:19 | W|GGL|T | rodzilla: I'm trying to find it now |
| 17:01:22 | W|GGL|T | hold on |
| 17:01:24 | mark | bill2or3: there are opie ones |
| 17:01:27 | mark | opie.handhelds.org |
| 17:01:30 | mark | OZ's gui |
| 17:02:11 | bill2or3 | looks |
| 17:02:31 | mark | yey, knights is nearly done |
| 17:03:07 | | warmi was last seen on #zaurus 1 days, 13 hours, 54 minutes and 35 seconds ago, saying: oh it is geometry , function plotting style thingy [Sat Jun 8 04:08:32 2002] |
| 17:03:07 | mark | ibot: seen warmi |
| 17:03:25 | rodzilla | hehe, they changed the q to an o on the menu bar |
| 17:03:49 | W|GGL|T | rodzilla: www.myzaurus.com/ROMupdate2.asp |
| 17:03:56 | mark | rodzilla: yep. that was me :) |
| 17:03:57 | rodzilla | thx |
| 17:04:17 | bill2or3 | how much of the 16m flash does the OZ image use? |
| 17:06:29 | mark | bill2or3: varies from version to version |
| 17:06:36 | mark | bill2or3: about 12 Meg i think |
| 17:06:40 | rodzilla | wishes he had his z now... |
| 17:07:24 | W|GGL|T | i think i'm seeing 11mb here |
| 17:07:49 | bill2or3 | hmm, so 5mb left... |
| 17:07:58 | bill2or3 | can I rebuild the rom image, adding my own stuff? |
| 17:08:33 | mark | well that 5mb is writable |
| 17:09:19 | bill2or3 | ah, so just copy it in? |
| 17:09:20 | rodzilla | looking at all the opie screenshots |
| 17:09:33 | W|GGL|T | damn...something's hogging my memory |
| 17:12:58 | rodzilla | mark: how do you develop for Z? do you compile on a pc with a cpu flag or do yopu copy source to the z and compile there? |
| 17:13:48 | mark | rodzilla: compile on a pc with a cross compiler |
| 17:14:24 | | somebody said kendrick2 was Bill Kendrick, http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/bill/ |
| 17:14:24 | tux_mike | ibot kendrick2 |
| 17:15:29 | rodzilla | I also saw where you could write python scripts too |
| 17:18:28 | rodzilla | where's the oz page again? |
| 17:21:14 | | OZ is see openzaurus |
| 17:21:14 | W|GGL|T | ibot OZ |
| 17:21:21 | | it has been said that openzaurus is a Community version of the operating environment for the Sharp Zaurus SL-5x00[d] PDA. See http://openzaurus.sf.net/. or http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/ |
| 17:21:21 | W|GGL|T | ibot openzaurus |
| 17:25:07 | Nadav | hm |
| 17:31:51 | George- | will the Z not output stereo sound, 'cos the left channel is used for the microphone? |
| 17:33:01 | Nadav | can the Z synchronize with outlook? |
| 17:33:17 | treke|home | yes. use intellisync |
| 17:33:22 | Nadav | ok |
| 17:34:02 | Nadav | i'm trying to convince people the z is better than others for me |
| 17:34:10 | Nadav | gimme some stuff to say ;) |
| 17:36:14 | CloudChaser | why do you have to convince anyone other than yourself? |
| 17:36:39 | treke|home | probably to get his employer to spring for it :) |
| 17:36:52 | George- | Nadav: It has a fully open SDK? |
| 17:37:07 | George- | Nadav: it uses a true cross-platform widget library as it's s/w base? |
| 17:37:23 | George- | Nadav: It has a huge number of developers? :) |
| 17:38:02 | Nadav | lol |
| 17:38:10 | treke|home | George- : Lets stick to the true ones :) |
| 17:38:16 | Nadav | well, that would convince me |
| 17:38:19 | Nadav | but i'm talking to non-geeks |
| 17:38:21 | George- | treke|home: yeh well :) |
| 17:38:37 | Nadav | "it |
| 17:38:42 | Nadav | "it's linux based fs!" |
| 17:38:44 | George- | Nadav: It has thousands of gigahertz? :)))) |
| 17:38:44 | Nadav | didn't work too well |
| 17:38:47 | Nadav | haha |
| 17:38:54 | treke|home | it has a great text reader, and it also hase gutenbrowser |
| 17:39:12 | George- | It can make coffee? |
| 17:39:31 | CloudChaser | has a built in keyboard |
| 17:39:45 | CloudChaser | is able to be networked |
| 17:40:00 | Nadav | ah |
| 17:40:02 | treke|home | Nadav : Non geeks? So you cant use the "it really cool" arguement? |
| 17:40:06 | George- | it can't sync with WinXP? |
| 17:40:11 | Nadav | eww |
| 17:40:15 | Nadav | who wants xp fs? |
| 17:40:22 | CloudChaser | not me! |
| 17:40:24 | hardwire | ? |
| 17:40:25 | George- | fs? |
| 17:40:41 | George- | that's why that is a PLUS! :) |
| 17:40:44 | Nadav | fs = f*cks sake |
| 17:40:44 | Nadav | haha |
| 17:41:32 | Nadav | the "it's linux based" argument only brought the "why do you need linux?" slap right back at me |
| 17:41:41 | Nadav | well, i'll just buy it anyway ;) |
| 17:41:49 | CloudChaser | what do you need a pda for? |
| 17:41:59 | W|GGL|T | can sync fine in XP |
| 17:42:18 | W|GGL|T | PIM functions :o) |
| 17:42:24 | CloudChaser | well it will do that |
| 17:42:29 | CloudChaser | is it in the budget range |
| 17:43:12 | W|GGL|T | what? the Z? |
| 17:43:28 | CloudChaser | and was treke right in that you are trying to convince your boss to pay for it? |
| 17:43:31 | CloudChaser | yes the z |
| 17:43:46 | treke|home | either that or his wife/husband |
| 17:43:50 | treke|home | his/her |
| 17:43:59 | CloudChaser | hehe different tactics |
| 17:44:08 | George- | Nadav: The easiest solution is to say "fuck it, you are the ones that are misguided" and fuck off :) |
| 17:44:08 | CloudChaser | have to know who/why |
| 17:44:13 | Nadav | haha |
| 17:44:20 | W|GGL|T | i bought mine and dealt with the wife later :o) |
| 17:44:28 | Nadav | that's probably the solution. |
| 17:44:36 | W|GGL|T | got mine for $499...they can be had for cheaper tho |
| 17:44:51 | CloudChaser | i paid 459. |
| 17:44:53 | Nadav | around $450 is the cheapest i've seen |
| 17:45:50 | CloudChaser | me too |
| 17:46:10 | W|GGL|T | i wanted to buy mine locally and was willing to pay up to $500 (best buy card :o) ) |
| 17:46:19 | George- | I got mine for 300 |
| 17:46:24 | Nadav | 300? |
| 17:46:24 | George- | but off eBay |
| 17:46:27 | Nadav | 5000D? |
| 17:46:34 | Nadav | or 5500? |
| 17:46:37 | George- | yeh |
| 17:46:43 | George- | D |
| 17:46:46 | Nadav | oh |
| 17:46:50 | CloudChaser | what i did was found a price and went to Staples and they matched it and gave me 10% more |
| 17:47:04 | CloudChaser | so i could buy it locally and still get a good price |
| 17:47:27 | W|GGL|T | the week after i bought mine was when best buy did a PDA price cut :o( |
| 17:47:53 | bill2or3 | cloudchase, did they give you any hassle about that? |
| 17:47:55 | CloudChaser | sometimes stores will honor the lower price |
| 17:47:56 | Nadav | I haven't seen the Z around here |
| 17:47:59 | George- | the Z uses busybox, right? |
| 17:48:02 | W|GGL|T | yeah |
| 17:48:17 | CloudChaser | no they didn't give me hassle.. i had a price of 459 from J&R which is in NYC |
| 17:48:23 | CloudChaser | which is fairly close to me |
| 17:48:25 | bill2or3 | ahh |
| 17:48:32 | CloudChaser | i printed it out and took it in to them |
| 17:48:34 | bill2or3 | I've found it for like $420 online.. |
| 17:48:47 | bill2or3 | dunno if local stores will pricematch web-prices though. |
| 17:48:58 | Nadav | probably not |
| 17:49:02 | CloudChaser | right but ...J&R has retail store |
| 17:49:10 | Nadav | well, unless it's a well known site |
| 17:49:11 | CloudChaser | they had them in stock and i wwas working in nyc that weeke |
| 17:49:11 | Nadav | like amazon |
| 17:49:14 | bill2or3 | but staples.com would match.. |
| 17:49:32 | CloudChaser | guess it depends how much they want the sale |
| 17:49:44 | George- | haha |
| 17:49:54 | George- | Copy the amazon page |
| 17:49:58 | George- | edit it to say $350 |
| 17:50:03 | George- | then print it out :) |
| 17:50:07 | George- | or whatever =P |
| 17:50:13 | bill2or3 | I think they call.. |
| 17:50:21 | Nadav | lol |
| 17:50:42 | Nadav | make a fake amazon page |
| 17:50:45 | Nadav | and point them to it |
| 17:50:54 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 17:50:58 | Nadav | amazon.com@my.ip/zaurus.html |
| 17:51:00 | George- | h4x0r amazon.com |
| 17:51:04 | Nadav | i've seen it being done before ;) |
| 17:51:05 | Nadav | lol |
| 17:51:15 | George- | Nadav: hmm? |
| 17:51:21 | Nadav | George- would be less of a hassle to break into staples.. |
| 17:51:38 | George- | Nadav: hehe |
| 17:51:50 | George- | break into staples, and steal everything! :) |
| 17:51:57 | Nadav | yep |
| 17:51:57 | Nadav | http://mslinux.org/ |
| 17:52:13 | W|GGL|T | steal all the Zs |
| 17:52:13 | W|GGL|T | hehe |
| 17:52:26 | treke|home | and get me an ipaq 3800 |
| 17:52:30 | Nadav | heh |
| 17:52:48 | hardwire | apparenty bought another SL-5000 |
| 17:52:55 | Nadav | ? |
| 17:52:58 | W|GGL|T | apparently? |
| 17:53:04 | hardwire | I had my wisdom teeth pulled |
| 17:53:12 | hardwire | so I cannot afford the one I have on ebay waiting for me to buy it |
| 17:53:24 | hardwire | so.. its either honor.. or rent.. |
| 17:53:28 | hardwire | which shall I dispose of? |
| 17:53:52 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 17:54:03 | treke|home | the person you bought the sl5000 from |
| 17:54:16 | hardwire | haha |
| 17:54:19 | George- | hardwire: hmm? |
| 17:54:32 | hardwire | hrmm! |
| 17:54:50 | W|GGL|T | damn, that sucks |
| 17:55:13 | hardwire | gderrick(ebay) in this channel selling a SL-5000? |
| 17:55:13 | prpplague | hardwire: at least message the seller with an explanation, most ppl will understand |
| 17:55:19 | hardwire | haha |
| 17:55:19 | hardwire | well |
| 17:55:23 | hardwire | I sorta need it for testing too :P |
| 17:55:31 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 17:55:53 | hardwire | decides to starve |
| 17:56:13 | W|GGL|T | if you nibble on the case a little bit each day, you may survive |
| 17:58:08 | George- | hardwire: how much did you pay for the Z on eBay? |
| 17:58:16 | hardwire | $250.00 |
| 17:58:18 | hardwire | well |
| 17:58:21 | hardwire | haven't yet |
| 17:58:25 | hardwire | 8 hours left |
| 17:58:38 | hardwire | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1358045451 |
| 17:58:40 | hardwire | is maroon3 |
| 17:58:58 | treke|home | maybe youll get lucky and someone else will bid |
| 17:58:59 | George- | hardwire: You'll prolly lose it :) |
| 17:59:03 | hardwire | you think? |
| 17:59:16 | George- | hardwire: yes |
| 17:59:23 | hardwire | you gonna make me loose it? |
| 17:59:24 | George- | hardwire: When I was gonna buy a Z on ebay |
| 17:59:34 | hardwire | lose it |
| 17:59:34 | hardwire | heh |
| 17:59:39 | George- | hardwire: one went up from about $300 to $500 in the last couple of minutes of the auction |
| 17:59:45 | hardwire | haha |
| 17:59:46 | hardwire | no shit |
| 17:59:47 | hardwire | wow |
| 17:59:53 | George- | hardwire: if you _really_ want to lose, just do a bid retraction |
| 18:00:17 | hardwire | I don't wanna |
| 18:00:19 | hardwire | its not honorable |
| 18:00:24 | hardwire | has many honors |
| 18:01:08 | George- | hardwire: hehe |
| 18:01:22 | George- | hardwire: $250 for a Z is pretty cheap... |
| 18:01:33 | hardwire | well its the dev model |
| 18:01:43 | George- | yeh |
| 18:01:51 | hardwire | it should not be going for that much |
| 18:01:53 | hardwire | thats dumb |
| 18:01:53 | George- | but dev models on eBay are going at past 400 |
| 18:01:57 | George- | lol |
| 18:02:01 | George- | I got mine for "cheap" at 300 |
| 18:02:03 | hardwire | haha |
| 18:02:05 | hardwire | me too! |
| 18:02:07 | hardwire | from sharp! |
| 18:02:16 | George- | how? |
| 18:02:19 | hardwire | err |
| 18:02:21 | W|GGL|T | the last few minutes of an EBay bid process is crucial |
| 18:02:26 | hardwire | what was the original sales price on the SL-5000D? |
| 18:02:29 | W|GGL|T | someone will bid over it |
| 18:02:29 | George- | is that how much they used to be? |
| 18:02:32 | hardwire | $399 or $299? |
| 18:02:40 | hardwire | I cannot remember |
| 18:02:43 | hardwire | I think $399 |
| 18:02:44 | George- | I thought it was 399 |
| 18:02:49 | hardwire | ok |
| 18:02:51 | George- | the original price of the 5000D |
| 18:02:54 | hardwire | well thats how much I bought it for |
| 18:03:02 | hardwire | and if they are going past that for used ones on ebay |
| 18:03:06 | George- | I remember 6 months ago the 5000D was going on eBay with buy-it-nows at 199 |
| 18:03:10 | hardwire | then I should buy a gun and start shooting people |
| 18:03:10 | George- | lol |
| 18:03:30 | W|GGL|T | hehehe |
| 18:03:40 | George- | haha |
| 18:03:42 | hardwire | but not buy it on ebay |
| 18:03:49 | hardwire | it will just be marked up $600 for a BB gun |
| 18:03:51 | George- | buying a gun to threaten a z user is cheaper than buying a z :) |
| 18:04:06 | W|GGL|T | depends on the weapon bought :o) |
| 18:04:32 | George- | W|GGL|T: a water pistol that looks vaguely like a gun should do ;) |
| 18:04:39 | W|GGL|T | lol! |
| 18:05:30 | CloudChaser | why would someonen pay more than 400.00 on ebay for a used 5000 |
| 18:05:42 | CloudChaser | when they can get a new one for 450? |
| 18:06:00 | George- | heh |
| 18:06:05 | George- | I know |
| 18:06:20 | W|GGL|T | some people prolly want both (collecting linux devices) |
| 18:06:24 | George- | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1357735103 |
| 18:06:30 | George- | hahaha |
| 18:06:30 | George- | that's ridiculous |
| 18:07:19 | CloudChaser | its stuff like that that makes me stay away from ebay |
| 18:07:27 | W|GGL|T | bought an agenda the same time he bought a Z |
| 18:08:04 | CloudChaser | that is at least a 5500 george |
| 18:08:37 | George- | CloudChaser: heh |
| 18:09:13 | George- | what does the Z come with ? |
| 18:09:25 | George- | A stylus, screen protection cover, z...? |
| 18:09:38 | W|GGL|T | charger, cradle |
| 18:09:59 | W|GGL|T | manuals, CD with drivers and software |
| 18:10:03 | W|GGL|T | and what you mentioned |
| 18:10:29 | ljp | damn windows usb device driver installation thingy |
| 18:10:53 | George- | CD has what software? |
| 18:11:07 | W|GGL|T | is there a way to control how OZ suspends? it goes to sleep too damn quick |
| 18:11:27 | hardwire | ljp :P |
| 18:11:32 | W|GGL|T | syncing software, drivers, some Z apps |
| 18:11:40 | hardwire | ljp if you feel like typing later I can set up a vtun from your firewall to mine.. |
| 18:11:48 | W|GGL|T | some Z apps like 'terminal', filemanager... |
| 18:11:54 | hardwire | ir even just a simple GRE tunnel |
| 18:12:07 | George- | W|GGL|T: Hancom Office? |
| 18:12:09 | CloudChaser | loves her Z |
| 18:12:13 | W|GGL|T | not on the CD, no |
| 18:12:21 | CloudChaser | is on the z though |
| 18:12:26 | CloudChaser | not the 5000 |
| 18:12:27 | George- | ok |
| 18:12:28 | CloudChaser | the 5500 |
| 18:12:35 | George- | hmm |
| 18:12:39 | W|GGL|T | that's right |
| 18:12:40 | George- | do 5000D users get Hancom? |
| 18:12:48 | CloudChaser | i think they can download it |
| 18:12:48 | W|GGL|T | i think you can from the sharp site |
| 18:12:56 | George- | oh ok |
| 18:12:59 | George- | ok |
| 18:12:59 | George- | bbl |
| 18:13:20 | NetAmp | I believe there is some add-on software on the CD? |
| 18:13:28 | NetAmp | or is that only on the 5500 CD |
| 18:13:37 | CloudChaser | ah that i don't know |
| 18:13:43 | NetAmp | btw isn't the 5000D sold much cheaper now? |
| 18:13:52 | CloudChaser | you'd think so ;) |
| 18:13:56 | NetAmp | Or was that only for javaOne |
| 18:13:58 | CloudChaser | oh |
| 18:14:02 | CloudChaser | not from sharp |
| 18:14:06 | NetAmp | could be that it was an exception... |
| 18:14:08 | CloudChaser | they'r e not available any more |
| 18:14:23 | CloudChaser | least thats what i've read in here ;) |
| 18:14:27 | NetAmp | hm |
| 18:14:33 | NetAmp | I want my 5500 *sigh* |
| 18:14:39 | hardwire | heh |
| 18:14:43 | NetAmp | but they're not (yet) sold here in the Netherlands |
| 18:14:47 | hardwire | anyhoot.. lunchtime |
| 18:14:48 | CloudChaser | awww |
| 18:14:58 | CloudChaser | have a nice lunch and good luck hardwire! |
| 18:15:20 | NetAmp | I guess lunch is always nice with a Z :P |
| 18:15:27 | CloudChaser | hehe |
| 18:16:00 | NetAmp | I gotta wait at least a month, and pray they're not going to translate it to Dutch while they're at it |
| 18:16:03 | NetAmp | that would suck... |
| 18:16:14 | CloudChaser | why? |
| 18:16:17 | NetAmp | Only for certain things it's nice like the word processor |
| 18:16:18 | CloudChaser | you want english? |
| 18:16:36 | CloudChaser | take a trip to england and buy one ;) |
| 18:16:40 | CloudChaser | nice long weekend |
| 18:16:45 | NetAmp | yeah I want english, I always do, my WindowsXP is english also |
| 18:16:50 | NetAmp | hm |
| 18:16:58 | NetAmp | I'm going there in September |
| 18:17:13 | NetAmp | maybe I'll pick one up ;) |
| 18:17:22 | NetAmp | depends at what price they'll be sold here... |
| 18:17:30 | CloudChaser | is shipping from england to the netherlands very expensive? |
| 18:17:52 | NetAmp | since UK doesn't do Euros, probably cheaper here than in UK Pounds |
| 18:18:12 | NetAmp | dunno about shipping for that kind of thing... |
| 18:18:19 | NetAmp | how much is it these days? |
| 18:18:36 | NetAmp | ibot: change 500 USD to GBP |
| 18:18:38 | | NetAmp: 500.00 (United States Dollar (USD)) makes 342.607 (Pound (GBP)) |
| 18:20:12 | CloudChaser | wow i didn't know they didn't do euros (but then i am in us) and haven't kept up with it |
| 18:20:45 | NetAmp | they won't |
| 18:20:53 | W|GGL|T | thinks he may go back to the stock Z rom instead of OZ |
| 18:21:06 | NetAmp | I think Denmark isn't either... or some other scandinavian country... hm |
| 18:21:42 | bill2or3 | wig, what dont you like about the oz? |
| 18:22:04 | W|GGL|T | no IR is a biggie |
| 18:22:47 | W|GGL|T | i cant control the suspend time or lighting |
| 18:22:53 | W|GGL|T | no HWR |
| 18:22:58 | W|GGL|T | i keep losing time |
| 18:23:20 | NetAmp | bbl |
| 18:23:22 | W|GGL|T | i can't install my backup files from my SD that i used with default rom |
| 18:23:23 | NetAmp | have a nice day |
| 18:23:45 | W|GGL|T | that's about it |
| 18:24:07 | W|GGL|T | its not bad...looks good, but not really usable for me |
| 18:24:53 | W|GGL|T | it was easier to install than I thought |
| 18:25:10 | George- | back |
| 18:25:26 | W|GGL|T | and i really like the 'today' app |
| 18:25:39 | bill2or3 | do the opie apps run with the default rom? |
| 18:25:45 | bill2or3 | or only with oz? |
| 18:25:51 | W|GGL|T | i havent tried yet, but i heard they do |
| 18:26:06 | CloudChaser | i have an opie game installed |
| 18:26:27 | bill2or3 | ah |
| 18:26:30 | CloudChaser | some opie things overwrite stuff though if i understod it right |
| 18:26:38 | W|GGL|T | doh |
| 18:26:41 | CloudChaser | better ask someone who knows it well |
| 18:27:08 | CloudChaser | something like if there's an existing app on the z for the same thing it could cause issues |
| 18:27:14 | W|GGL|T | ahhh |
| 18:27:22 | CloudChaser | but as far as the game went it didn't conflict with anything |
| 18:27:47 | CloudChaser | but i'm just a parrot and repeating what i was told as best i can remember |
| 18:27:57 | CloudChaser | so don't hold me to that ;) |
| 18:28:04 | CloudChaser | just check to be sure |
| 18:29:18 | nemui-chan | Hey everyone |
| 18:29:52 | CloudChaser | hiya ;) |
| 18:30:04 | W|GGL|T | hi |
| 18:30:25 | nemui-chan | whats up with zauruszone? |
| 18:30:33 | nemui-chan | why do they go to killefiz now when you click downloads? |
| 18:34:37 | W|GGL|T | i think they are still working on Zauruszone...they probably made the link go to killefiz until they finish redoing the site |
| 18:34:57 | nemui-chan | Ahh.. i didnt even realize they were redesigning it. |
| 18:37:19 | W|GGL|T | hrmmm...Z didnt go into suspend once i put it in the cradle |
| 18:37:38 | W|GGL|T | should change my OZ critique to note that :o) |
| 18:37:50 | nemui-chan | It wont suspend if plugged in. |
| 18:38:23 | W|GGL|T | i cant control the suspend time or lighting |
| 18:38:34 | nemui-chan | Install opie-lightandpower I think is the packag.e |
| 18:38:39 | W|GGL|T | it suspends too quick when its in my hands and im a bit slow |
| 18:38:42 | W|GGL|T | ahhh |
| 18:38:48 | W|GGL|T | thanx! |
| 18:38:50 | nemui-chan | I had the same problem when it was unplugged :) |
| 18:38:51 | nemui-chan | no prob |
| 18:39:10 | nemui-chan | It really sucks when you're installing something but its not plugged into the wall... |
| 18:39:16 | nemui-chan | It'll die halfway into installing it ;p |
| 18:39:46 | W|GGL|T | ack |
| 18:39:51 | W|GGL|T | yeah, that WOULD suck |
| 18:40:32 | nemui-chan | Anyone know if opie mediaplayer supports streaming? |
| 18:40:54 | W|GGL|T | i'll need to get that too |
| 18:41:05 | W|GGL|T | is there an opie backup utility? |
| 18:41:19 | nemui-chan | Maybe.. I'm not sure what it is :) |
| 18:41:23 | nemui-chan | do ipkg -l | grep backup |
| 18:41:30 | nemui-chan | there's SOME thing but I dont know what it is or how well it works. |
| 18:41:40 | W|GGL|T | i'm taking a look but on another box |
| 18:41:44 | nemui-chan | Let me know when you find out though =)) |
| 18:41:47 | W|GGL|T | ok |
| 18:41:54 | nemui-chan | Afk a bit... |
| 18:41:57 | W|GGL|T | k |
| 18:42:45 | George- | what type of a power cord does the Z use? a 2 part one or a single lead? |
| 18:44:40 | W|GGL|T | not sure what you mean |
| 18:48:31 | nems-zic | neato |
| 18:49:06 | nems-zic | I wonder what the diff between zic and tkcjabber are - irc wise |
| 18:49:37 | treke|home | very different |
| 18:50:05 | treke|home | zic actually supports some irc features like private messages |
| 18:50:22 | nems-zic | tkc doesnt? |
| 18:50:55 | treke|home | The irc connecter doesnt seem to |
| 18:51:20 | nems-zic | how odd |
| 18:51:48 | nems-zic | I really miss opera. :p |
| 18:52:08 | treke|home | install konqueror :) |
| 18:52:08 | nems-zic | the whole lack of a 'loading' button sucks on konq |
| 18:52:12 | W|GGL|T | ohhh...that's right |
| 18:52:14 | nems-zic | I did |
| 18:52:22 | treke|home | loading button? |
| 18:52:59 | nems-zic | the button that spins until the page is done loading |
| 18:53:06 | Nadav | lol |
| 18:53:23 | treke|home | nems-zic : Look at the statusbar in konqueror |
| 18:54:07 | nems-zic | it displays the url til its done loading? |
| 18:54:33 | treke|home | yup |
| 18:55:15 | nems-zic | now I just need a streaming mp3 player |
| 18:55:58 | nemui-chan | Does opie mediaplayer do streaming? I see a 'open file or url' link on it... |
| 19:03:03 | CloudChaser | ok..i'm baffled once again |
| 19:03:22 | CloudChaser | i am tryingto take a music cd and turn the songs into mp3 |
| 19:03:27 | CloudChaser | i'm using grip |
| 19:03:40 | CloudChaser | says thet default mp3 file format is .ogg |
| 19:03:44 | CloudChaser | is that ok? |
| 19:04:35 | W|GGL|T | knows nothing about ogg vorbis :o( |
| 19:05:17 | Kopsis | CloudChaser: depends on what you're going to use to play the files |
| 19:05:32 | CloudChaser | tkc's player |
| 19:05:38 | CloudChaser | on the z |
| 19:05:46 | CloudChaser | but i'm such a newbie |
| 19:05:59 | CloudChaser | with mp3's ....and linux... |
| 19:06:19 | CloudChaser | all those configuration options |
| 19:06:25 | CloudChaser | i left them as default |
| 19:06:28 | Kopsis | I think tkc's player handles ogg, but I've never tried it myself |
| 19:06:34 | CloudChaser | but no clue if i'm even getting anything |
| 19:06:53 | CloudChaser | all i see so far in my mp3 dir is this: |
| 19:07:07 | CloudChaser | jimmy_buffet-far_side_of_the_world.m3u |
| 19:07:14 | bill2or3 | that's just a playlist file |
| 19:07:15 | CloudChaser | which is the playlist apparently |
| 19:07:31 | CloudChaser | where are the songs then? |
| 19:07:41 | CloudChaser | its ripping trk 8 and mp3 trk 7 |
| 19:07:55 | CloudChaser | or will they show up when its all done ripping/encoding? |
| 19:08:24 | Kopsis | The track files should show up as the ripping/encoding progresses |
| 19:08:31 | CloudChaser | grr |
| 19:08:43 | bill2or3 | there should be a rip progress bar and a encode progress bar in the 'rip' tab |
| 19:08:57 | CloudChaser | there is |
| 19:09:03 | CloudChaser | its showing progress |
| 19:09:05 | bill2or3 | are they both moving? |
| 19:09:15 | CloudChaser | yes |
| 19:09:23 | CloudChaser | welll the rip one is |
| 19:09:30 | CloudChaser | the mp3 one isn't at the moment |
| 19:09:33 | CloudChaser | ah there it goes |
| 19:09:36 | CloudChaser | now both moving |
| 19:09:42 | bill2or3 | do a 'ls -lart */* |tail -3" from your home dir, when it's done |
| 19:09:48 | bill2or3 | to see where it put them |
| 19:10:32 | CloudChaser | ok thanks...i prolly should have tried only 1 song til i get the hang of it |
| 19:10:41 | bill2or3 | it's pretty simple.. |
| 19:11:09 | CloudChaser | hehe apparently i'm simpler ;) |
| 19:11:47 | XavierXeon | has anyone made kismet work on the sharp rom ? i always get the error : "could not connect to localhost:2501" |
| 19:12:21 | CloudChaser | i haven't tried.. i will one day soon.. when wharier is around ;) |
| 19:12:28 | W|GGL|T | damn...found everything i wanted but the backup ipkg |
| 19:12:39 | CloudChaser | er whardier |
| 19:12:49 | CloudChaser | he seems to have it down |
| 19:12:59 | CloudChaser | the wireless sniffing ;) |
| 19:13:32 | W|GGL|T | smoke break |
| 19:13:49 | CloudChaser | XavierXeon: there's a good how to somewhere...have you seen it? |
| 19:13:59 | XavierXeon | no |
| 19:14:23 | CloudChaser | i'll see if i can find it.. i have the link on my win partition but 'm on the linux one at the moment |
| 19:14:26 | bill2or3 | can you open a ppp connection thru the cradle? |
| 19:14:51 | W|GGL|T | i thought i saw a webpage on that |
| 19:15:26 | CloudChaser | hmmm maybe one day i'll make a webpage on my z with the webserver and put up all my z links so i can find them! |
| 19:15:36 | CloudChaser | adds that to her list |
| 19:15:59 | XavierXeon | i checked the kismet web page, but it just tells you about compiler errors |
| 19:16:11 | prpplague | home depot is a fun one to sniff, they post the mac, essid, and ip in big letters on the ap's just above the exit doors |
| 19:16:19 | CloudChaser | hahaha |
| 19:16:51 | Nadav | lol |
| 19:17:02 | CloudChaser | i wish the zaurus zone's forums were back up |
| 19:17:04 | W|GGL|T | bill2or3: www.zauruszone.com/howtos/linux_ethernet-over-usb-howto.shtml |
| 19:17:08 | W|GGL|T | same here |
| 19:17:14 | W|GGL|T | that site rocks |
| 19:17:17 | CloudChaser | yeah sure does |
| 19:17:30 | CloudChaser | everything just about has been talked about there |
| 19:18:11 | W|GGL|T | bill2or3: just go down the page a bit until you see '3) If you want to be able to connect to the internet from the Zaurus' |
| 19:18:46 | W|GGL|T | i was going to zaurus@LL but their forum is dead compared to ZZ |
| 19:19:23 | XavierXeon | i managed to see the old zauruszone forum entries about an hour ago. the seem to be nearly finished moving the board |
| 19:19:36 | CloudChaser | YAY! |
| 19:20:31 | XavierXeon | don't be that optimistic. now you see just the anouncments again |
| 19:20:43 | W|GGL|T | doh |
| 19:21:01 | W|GGL|T | just realized that he never took his smoke break |
| 19:21:04 | W|GGL|T | brb |
| 19:22:57 | CloudChaser | bill2or3: i did that tail command |
| 19:23:17 | CloudChaser | drwxr-xr-x 3 mross mross 4096 Jun 9 14:40 .. |
| 19:23:17 | CloudChaser | drwxr-xr-x 3 mross mross 4096 Jun 9 14:40 . |
| 19:23:17 | CloudChaser | drwxr-xr-x 2 mross mross 4096 Jun 9 15:26 far_side_of_the_world |
| 19:23:54 | CloudChaser | doh i found them..there is ogg dir there now |
| 19:24:29 | XavierXeon | cloudchaser : which GUI do you use ? |
| 19:24:59 | CloudChaser | gnome |
| 19:25:08 | CloudChaser | actually ximian |
| 19:25:14 | CloudChaser | is that what you mean? |
| 19:25:37 | CloudChaser | or for the z? |
| 19:25:59 | XavierXeon | have you tries the KDE konqueror under GNOME ? |
| 19:26:06 | CloudChaser | no |
| 19:26:19 | XavierXeon | ripping CD is dead easy with it |
| 19:26:46 | CloudChaser | i thought the konqueror was a browser |
| 19:28:01 | XavierXeon | konqueror is a multi function program |
| 19:28:07 | CloudChaser | i haven't even attempted to try to get usb cd burner installed in linux yet |
| 19:28:21 | CloudChaser | hehe every new thing i try to do is an adventure |
| 19:28:50 | CloudChaser | i will try it.... |
| 19:29:32 | CloudChaser | it runs in gnome? |
| 19:29:40 | XavierXeon | if you have KDE installed open a terminal in Gnome and simply type konqueror |
| 19:29:58 | XavierXeon | it works the other way |
| 19:30:18 | CloudChaser | i guess i don't have it installed |
| 19:30:35 | XavierXeon | bad luck |
| 19:31:06 | XavierXeon | i have installed nearly everything available on my distro |
| 19:31:18 | CloudChaser | i thought i had it installed |
| 19:31:21 | CloudChaser | kde that is |
| 19:31:50 | XavierXeon | do you use redhat ? |
| 19:32:07 | CloudChaser | yes |
| 19:32:11 | CloudChaser | 7.2 |
| 19:32:32 | XavierXeon | i think all kde binaries are in /usr/bin |
| 19:32:42 | CloudChaser | oh i just read on tkc that the player supports mp3 and ogg |
| 19:33:13 | XavierXeon | oggs are smaller |
| 19:33:48 | CloudChaser | ok i have kde-config in /usr/bin |
| 19:34:25 | XavierXeon | are there any other k* binaries ? |
| 19:34:54 | CloudChaser | kban texi2dvi4a2ps |
| 19:34:54 | CloudChaser | kbd_mode texi2html |
| 19:34:54 | CloudChaser | kbdrate texi2pdf |
| 19:34:54 | CloudChaser | kbuildsycoca texindex |
| 19:34:54 | CloudChaser | kconf_update texlinks |
| 19:34:55 | CloudChaser | kcookiejar texshow |
| 19:34:57 | CloudChaser | kdb2html text2sf |
| 19:34:59 | CloudChaser | kde-config texutil |
| 19:35:01 | CloudChaser | kded tfmtodit |
| 19:35:03 | CloudChaser | kdeinit tftopl |
| 19:35:05 | CloudChaser | kdeinit_shutdown tgatoppm |
| 19:35:07 | CloudChaser | kdeinit_wrapper tgz |
| 19:35:09 | CloudChaser | kdesu_stub themehelper |
| 19:35:11 | CloudChaser | kdontchangethehostname thinkjettopbm |
| 19:35:13 | CloudChaser | keyboard-properties thumbnail |
| 19:35:15 | CloudChaser | keyboard-properties-control thumbpdf |
| 19:35:17 | CloudChaser | keytab-lilo |
| 19:36:23 | XavierXeon | but no konqueror ! have you tried "find / -print | gre konq" |
| 19:36:44 | XavierXeon | sorry that is grep konq |
| 19:37:00 | CloudChaser | ack! |
| 19:37:15 | CloudChaser | its giving me permission denied while it looks |
| 19:38:01 | XavierXeon | try it as root : command "su" |
| 19:38:48 | XavierXeon | dont forget to type exit when you are done ! |
| 19:39:16 | CloudChaser | ok didn't show anything.. cursor sitting on line below |
| 19:40:09 | XavierXeon | after typing su you should be prompted for your root password and then you will have your prompt back |
| 19:40:17 | CloudChaser | oh i did that |
| 19:40:22 | CloudChaser | i did the grep thingy |
| 19:40:27 | CloudChaser | it didn't find anything |
| 19:40:48 | XavierXeon | sorry can't help you then |
| 19:40:54 | CloudChaser | hehe thats ok thank you for trying |
| 19:40:59 | CloudChaser | i think the grip worked fine |
| 19:41:26 | CloudChaser | now i just need headphone/speaker for z and i can test it all out ;) |
| 19:43:07 | prpplague | anyone used any of the database functions in qt3? |
| 20:35:46 | jmhodges | hello |
| 20:35:48 | jmhodges | is not happy with himself |
| 20:37:41 | jmhodges | hey warmi |
| 20:37:56 | jmhodges | well.. ive successfully fucked my Z |
| 20:38:16 | warmi | hi |
| 20:38:24 | warmi | is that so ? |
| 20:38:26 | warmi | how ? |
| 20:38:57 | jmhodges | well.. you see if you move your leg in such a position that the z is .. |
| 20:39:00 | jmhodges | er.. i mean.. |
| 20:39:21 | jmhodges | i wiped the OS and the one on my cf wont load into the mem |
| 20:39:25 | rodzilla | hey jmhodges |
| 20:39:33 | jmhodges | hey rodzilla! |
| 20:39:39 | rodzilla | somebody was looking for you earlier |
| 20:39:39 | jmhodges | hey nhudson while im at it |
| 20:39:45 | jmhodges | rodzilla: really? who? |
| 20:39:55 | rodzilla | hey nhudson |
| 20:40:01 | warmi | are you sure , nothing can't be done with it anymore ? |
| 20:40:19 | rodzilla | don't remember their name but they had a few |'s in their nick |
| 20:40:31 | rodzilla | ah, yes |
| 20:40:32 | jmhodges | warmi: ahh W|GGL|T |
| 20:40:37 | jmhodges | er.. |
| 20:40:37 | jmhodges | rodzilla: ^^ |
| 20:40:37 | rodzilla | W|GGL|T |
| 20:40:48 | jmhodges | warmi: i think i need a cf reader |
| 20:40:58 | warmi | you can get one for about $20 |
| 20:40:59 | jmhodges | warmi: it just loads the Sharp screen but no text |
| 20:41:02 | warmi | that's not a big deal |
| 20:41:06 | jmhodges | warmi: yeha.. thats what im going to do today |
| 20:41:21 | warmi | I bought one anyway ... it is usefull all around |
| 20:41:29 | rodzilla | jmhodges: some cf readers work with linux and some don' |
| 20:41:30 | warmi | not only for problems like that |
| 20:41:37 | rodzilla | sandisk's site lists versions that do work with linux |
| 20:41:48 | warmi | I am using mine with Windows box .. |
| 20:41:57 | rodzilla | I had to go out and buy a new version of the usb reader I had... |
| 20:42:03 | jmhodges | rodzilla: thanks |
| 20:42:08 | nemui-chan | sandisk works great for cf readers. |
| 20:42:15 | nemui-chan | I have one myself. |
| 20:42:21 | jmhodges | rodzilla: how much trouble is it to get it to work on linux? |
| 20:42:25 | nemui-chan | Very easy. |
| 20:42:28 | rodzilla | yeah, I have their newer version, which works with linux |
| 20:42:31 | jmhodges | i have to leave for euro tomorrow and i have yet to pack :( |
| 20:42:31 | rodzilla | not hard at all |
| 20:42:46 | jmhodges | holy crap! i havent given you and nhudson my module! |
| 20:42:46 | rodzilla | then it becomes a scsi hard drive to the system |
| 20:42:51 | nemui-chan | Just compile in usb support and usb mass storage support, and scsi. you're set then. |
| 20:42:57 | rodzilla | modules? |
| 20:43:14 | warmi | jmhodghes: you got rid of your current OS because .. ? |
| 20:43:15 | jmhodges | my linux w/ usbdnet patch module |
| 20:43:21 | jmhodges | warmi: going to OZ |
| 20:43:24 | rodzilla | I have got just about everything working with gtk in it's new location except gimp |
| 20:43:30 | warmi | oh ... as I said before , brave man |
| 20:43:34 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 20:43:36 | jmhodges | yeah i know.. |
| 20:43:40 | warmi | I think they said it is still rather rough |
| 20:43:44 | warmi | OZ, I mean |
| 20:43:47 | jmhodges | hrmph.. |
| 20:43:54 | jmhodges | maybe ill just jump back to Sharp |
| 20:43:55 | rodzilla | hey, jmhodges, someone gave me a link to the sharp rom page if you need to revert back |
| 20:44:07 | jmhodges | rodzilla: i think that would be wise |
| 20:44:11 | nemui-chan | 1Anyone knwo of a streaming media player? |
| 20:44:16 | rodzilla | http://www.myzaurus.com/ROMupdate2.asp |
| 20:44:20 | warmi | but then again, for it to get better we need crazy people like you to jump ahead of us :-) |
| 20:44:20 | jmhodges | ah.. right |
| 20:44:29 | jmhodges | hehe warmi |
| 20:44:33 | nemui-chan | warmi: What'd he upgrade it to? |
| 20:44:38 | jmhodges | ill do it when i get back in 10 days |
| 20:45:05 | jmhodges | this is not helpfull.. ive seen this link before and its not what i need |
| 20:45:08 | rodzilla | I know that this is out of this channel's subject, but does anyone know how to get the lyra mp3 player to play anything other than it's own proprietary mpx format and windows media player format? |
| 20:45:13 | jmhodges | goes to another link he knows will help |
| 20:45:28 | nemui-chan | rodzilla : do a google for lyra firmware maybe, but other than that I dont know. |
| 20:45:37 | rodzilla | thx |
| 20:45:57 | warmi | nemui-chan: OZ |
| 20:46:12 | nemui-chan | OZ rocks... I love OZ :) |
| 20:46:39 | nemui-chan | The writable flash is nice, for one thin. |
| 20:46:41 | nemui-chan | thing. |
| 20:46:44 | warmi | yeah, well, let say it will rock when it is ready ... but it is getting better very fast |
| 20:47:08 | nemui-chan | I agree, it has a few probs... but honestly, what does Sharp have that OZ doesnt? Other than java. (DOH!) ;) |
| 20:47:15 | jmhodges | nemui-chan: do you use OZ? |
| 20:47:18 | jmhodges | nemui-chan: im guessing yes |
| 20:47:22 | nemui-chan | Yup |
| 20:47:23 | nemui-chan | I love it. |
| 20:47:32 | jmhodges | nemui-chan: when i get back from buying a CF reader wanna help me out :)? |
| 20:47:47 | nemui-chan | Sure.. I'm here off and on, but you can always email me at hyloth@yahoo |
| 20:48:00 | warmi | it is not about what it has or hasn't but how it works with what it has:-) |
| 20:48:01 | jmhodges | nemui-chan: well.. i have today and only today.. |
| 20:48:06 | warmi | (mouthfull) |
| 20:48:06 | jmhodges | :( |
| 20:48:06 | jmhodges | to do this.. |
| 20:48:09 | warmi | hehe |
| 20:48:10 | jmhodges | i leave tomorrow.. |
| 20:48:25 | rodzilla | where are you going? |
| 20:48:36 | nemui-chan | but youre coming back in 10 days right? |
| 20:48:38 | warmi | basically, OZ needs more testing and bugfixing at this point |
| 20:48:39 | jmhodges | spain and france |
| 20:48:47 | warmi | whoa ... vacation ? |
| 20:48:52 | jmhodges | nemui-chan: yes but i would like to have it for the trip |
| 20:48:55 | jmhodges | warmi: yep |
| 20:48:59 | jmhodges | warmi: school thingy |
| 20:49:01 | jmhodges | very fun |
| 20:49:02 | nemui-chan | Ahh... |
| 20:49:05 | warmi | oh .. ok |
| 20:49:08 | nemui-chan | school is sending you to europe? |
| 20:49:09 | nemui-chan | You suck :p |
| 20:49:15 | jmhodges | heh we paid for it |
| 20:49:19 | nemui-chan | hehe.. I'll bet. |
| 20:49:32 | jmhodges | but we get a deal cause its school and its a large group |
| 20:49:34 | jmhodges | anyway.. |
| 20:49:42 | nemui-chan | Thats cool. |
| 20:49:52 | nemui-chan | Well, you read up on how to install it right? |
| 20:49:55 | warmi | yeah ..... it will degenerate into non-stop drinking ... it always does |
| 20:49:58 | jmhodges | nemui-chan: yes |
| 20:50:01 | nemui-chan | Get an image, rename it initrd.bin, toss it on a card... |
| 20:50:03 | nemui-chan | Flash :) |
| 20:50:04 | jmhodges | but i fscked the install.. |
| 20:50:08 | jmhodges | nemui-chan: ok |
| 20:50:11 | warmi | but at least you will be dringking in Spain and Frace |
| 20:50:13 | warmi | hehe |
| 20:50:20 | nemui-chan | That and bootflag.txt and zImage |
| 20:50:25 | nemui-chan | Toss that on a card, put it in, flash. |
| 20:50:28 | jmhodges | warmi: actually we're not "allowed" (meaning i will anyways) |
| 20:50:43 | jmhodges | nemui-chan: by flash you mean? |
| 20:50:44 | nemui-chan | After that, setup networking, about the same as sharp to be honest, then hop to a command line, run ipkg update;ipkg upgrade |
| 20:51:01 | nemui-chan | open up the battery port, hold down C and D keys, and hit the reset button |
| 20:51:05 | nemui-chan | make SURE its plugged in to the AC |
| 20:51:16 | nemui-chan | The two lights on front will light up and stay lit for about 3 minutes |
| 20:51:25 | warmi | heh .... yeahh riiiiighhht |
| 20:51:26 | jmhodges | yeah 9thats the flash part right) |
| 20:51:33 | jmhodges | nemui-chan: i was getting that |
| 20:51:42 | nemui-chan | once they go off, hit the reset button again on the back, and then put the cover back on, flip to normal operation (instead of replace battery) |
| 20:51:44 | nemui-chan | Yup |
| 20:52:02 | jmhodges | yeah.. somethingwas corrupted on my CF |
| 20:52:08 | nemui-chan | oh |
| 20:52:09 | nemui-chan | doh |
| 20:52:24 | jmhodges | nemui-chan: doe i have to mkfs my CF a certain way? ( i read something about vfat) |
| 20:52:41 | XavierXeon | i could not make WLAN working on OZ |
| 20:52:44 | nemui-chan | It has to be vfat... if you havent formatted your card it should be fine. |
| 20:52:50 | nemui-chan | XavierXeon : It was a problem before, but the new image has it fixed... |
| 20:53:03 | nemui-chan | XavierXeon : All it was is that /etc/pcmcia/wireless.opt listed SSID instead of ESSID |
| 20:53:11 | jmhodges | nemui-chan: argh.. ok |
| 20:53:28 | jmhodges | ill do this in win cause i dont have time to rebuild my kernel.. |
| 20:53:31 | jmhodges | alright |
| 20:53:35 | nemui-chan | hehe |
| 20:53:41 | jmhodges | goes off to find a decently clean pair of pants |
| 20:53:42 | W|GGL|T | hi jmhodges |
| 20:53:45 | XavierXeon | thanks i will try that now ! |
| 20:53:57 | jmhodges | khey W|GGL|T |
| 20:54:01 | CloudChaser | hey jm! have a great holiday!! |
| 20:54:02 | W|GGL|T | jmhodges: ive OZ running...beta 10 |
| 20:54:05 | jmhodges | CloudChaser: thanks! |
| 20:54:08 | jmhodges | W|GGL|T: sweet |
| 20:54:11 | jmhodges | alright.. |
| 20:54:12 | W|GGL|T | you leaving? |
| 20:54:18 | jmhodges | ill be right back witha CF reader |
| 20:54:23 | jmhodges | target should have one right? |
| 20:54:24 | W|GGL|T | ahhh...that's right |
| 20:54:27 | jmhodges | hrmph.. |
| 20:54:28 | W|GGL|T | doh...dunno |
| 20:54:35 | jmhodges | maybe ill make some calls |
| 20:54:38 | jmhodges | yeah that sounds good |
| 20:54:43 | nemui-chan | jmhodges : I got mine from walmart. |
| 20:54:58 | W|GGL|T | didnt know walmart carried those |
| 20:55:09 | W|GGL|T | they carry CF cards? |
| 20:55:09 | nemui-chan | In the digital camera department. |
| 20:55:12 | nemui-chan | Yup. |
| 20:55:15 | nemui-chan | Mine does anyways. |
| 20:55:23 | W|GGL|T | dayam |
| 20:55:27 | jmhodges | walmart is likke 15min away thought... target is like 5 min.. calling target first.. |
| 20:55:31 | nemui-chan | Hehe |
| 20:55:34 | W|GGL|T | good call |
| 20:55:44 | CloudChaser | any office stores around you? |
| 20:55:45 | W|GGL|T | wants 128mb CF |
| 20:55:50 | nemui-chan | Order it online. |
| 20:55:55 | nemui-chan | Actually.. online I found a 256 for 109. |
| 20:55:56 | W|GGL|T | 64 goes too quick |
| 20:56:08 | CloudChaser | i'm going to get a 128 sd card ;) |
| 20:56:09 | W|GGL|T | i hate ordering stuff online |
| 20:56:11 | nemui-chan | Heh.. me too |
| 20:56:15 | rodzilla | nemui-chan: was that a cf card or a sd carD? |
| 20:56:16 | nemui-chan | Instant gratification is what its all about |
| 20:56:16 | W|GGL|T | ive been burned more than once :o( |
| 20:56:24 | W|GGL|T | yeah |
| 20:56:30 | nemui-chan | Pricewatch.com is usually pretty good about policing its group. |
| 20:56:34 | jmhodges | hates waiting for receptionists.. |
| 20:56:48 | rodzilla | lol |
| 20:56:53 | jmhodges | there we go.. |
| 20:57:02 | rodzilla | jmhodges: you tell them you want them to deliver it pronto! for free! |
| 20:57:02 | jmhodges | is being transferred..electronics |
| 20:57:06 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 20:57:11 | nemui-chan | Anyways... talk to ya'll later... I'm gonna go play elder scrolls. |
| 20:57:19 | jmhodges | sweet "think we do" |
| 20:57:22 | nemui-chan | lol |
| 20:57:23 | nemui-chan | Get a price. |
| 20:57:28 | nemui-chan | "Think we do" doesnt mean shit :) |
| 20:57:32 | nemui-chan | and make sure to ask if they have em in stock |
| 20:57:35 | W|GGL|T | thinks he'll buy a cpu/motherboard combo soon....while the wife is still on her business trip |
| 20:57:42 | jmhodges | got a prcie |
| 20:57:47 | nemui-chan | I've had people tell me though and when I got there (60 minutes later) they've said "Oh.. you didnt ask if we had them IN STOCK" |
| 20:57:47 | jmhodges | $40 !! |
| 20:57:51 | nemui-chan | jesus christ. |
| 20:57:52 | jmhodges | FUCKING HELL |
| 20:57:53 | nemui-chan | I got mine for 18 |
| 20:57:57 | nemui-chan | Got a compusa around? |
| 20:58:03 | jmhodges | Circuit city! |
| 20:58:05 | nemui-chan | They're about 25 at walmart, 20 at compusa |
| 20:58:05 | jmhodges | duh! |
| 20:58:07 | rodzilla | I was in an office depot looking for a printer auto-switch, asked for assistance and they said they didn't have any |
| 20:58:09 | W|GGL|T | damn, that's alot |
| 20:58:10 | jmhodges | smacks his forehead |
| 20:58:11 | nemui-chan | dunno about circuit city :) |
| 20:58:16 | rodzilla | found one on the next isle over |
| 20:58:25 | nemui-chan | lol |
| 20:58:26 | rodzilla | yeah, they're usually around $39.95 |
| 20:58:28 | W|GGL|T | $25ish at best buy |
| 20:58:33 | nemui-chan | thats crazy rod |
| 20:58:38 | nemui-chan | my san was 18-20 |
| 20:58:42 | jmhodges | waits.. |
| 20:58:46 | jmhodges | sigh.. |
| 20:58:55 | nemui-chan | jmhodges : just call a few other places... |
| 20:58:55 | jmhodges | presses 2 |
| 20:58:58 | nemui-chan | lol |
| 20:59:03 | nemui-chan | anyways... afk to play elder scrolls. |
| 20:59:26 | rodzilla | so jmhoges, where are you going tomorrow? |
| 20:59:40 | jmhodges | flight to madrid |
| 20:59:54 | rodzilla | huh? |
| 20:59:54 | jmhodges | then over the next ten days we wind through spain and into france |
| 20:59:58 | jmhodges | ending in Paris |
| 21:00:04 | rodzilla | going on vacation before college? |
| 21:00:12 | jmhodges | its a school thingy |
| 21:00:13 | rodzilla | hope you get internet access... |
| 21:00:14 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 21:00:18 | jmhodges | dammit |
| 21:00:34 | jmhodges | hold on |
| 21:00:42 | jmhodges | missed a number.. |
| 21:00:53 | jmhodges | hears ringing.. |
| 21:01:07 | rodzilla | one ring-a-dingy |
| 21:01:36 | jmhodges | argh.. |
| 21:01:44 | jmhodges | 29.99 !! hrmph.. |
| 21:01:51 | jmhodges | but they read multiple cards.. |
| 21:01:56 | jmhodges | er..multiple kinds? |
| 21:02:00 | jmhodges | is talking to an idiot |
| 21:02:27 | jmhodges | sorry for the flood |
| 21:02:53 | W|GGL|T | a multiple card reader is fine |
| 21:03:14 | W|GGL|T | because eventually, you'll have both CF and SD/MMC (if you don't already) |
| 21:03:41 | jmhodges | right.. im planning on that.. |
| 21:03:42 | W|GGL|T | i wish i had bought one of those in the first place |
| 21:03:47 | jmhodges | jesus.. shes taking forever. |
| 21:04:00 | jmhodges | all i wanted to konw is if they had sandisk cf readers.. |
| 21:04:19 | jmhodges | thanks W|GGL|T i needed to check if such things existed :) i didnt trust her |
| 21:04:23 | W|GGL|T | she's probably looking and someone asked them to help her with something :o) |
| 21:04:46 | W|GGL|T | i saw an ad in max pc that had a card reader with like 5 different slots |
| 21:05:03 | jmhodges | oooh |
| 21:06:06 | jmhodges | hears rustling near the other end.. |
| 21:06:12 | jmhodges | pick it up dammit! |
| 21:06:15 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 21:06:17 | jmhodges | sorry |
| 21:06:35 | jmhodges | i should sympathize with hear.. working in a game store is just like this.. |
| 21:06:49 | jmhodges | and ive left a couple of people like this (accidentall) |
| 21:07:17 | W|GGL|T | yeah....multitasking |
| 21:07:18 | rodzilla | your actions are comming back to haunt you... lol |
| 21:07:22 | W|GGL|T | customers nagging you |
| 21:07:42 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 21:07:46 | jmhodges | yep.. |
| 21:07:57 | rodzilla | then there are lUsers |
| 21:08:28 | jmhodges | some guy complaing about something we gladly explained about before he bought it |
| 21:08:43 | jmhodges | some parent coming in bitching about the violence in a game |
| 21:08:49 | jmhodges | sigh.. |
| 21:09:07 | jmhodges | im going to wait 5 more min |
| 21:09:29 | W|GGL|T | she's standing right there waiting for you to hang up |
| 21:09:34 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 21:10:33 | W|GGL|T | notes Seven of Nine is on the cover of Maxim |
| 21:11:02 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 21:12:48 | Hellaenergy | anyone here a sendmail expert? |
| 21:13:35 | jmhodges | ok 5 min are upo |
| 21:13:40 | jmhodges | hangs up |
| 21:14:01 | nemui-chan | I'm not an expert, but just ask your question. ;) |
| 21:16:04 | jmhodges | if i were a wallet where would i hide? |
| 21:16:18 | W|GGL|T | jmhodges: you shoulda got her name so you could complain |
| 21:16:23 | W|GGL|T | 5 min is too long |
| 21:16:56 | jmhodges | W|GGL|T: i know.. :( |
| 21:17:06 | jmhodges | oh well.. |
| 21:17:10 | jmhodges | ill give it to them this time.. |
| 21:17:23 | jmhodges | i have money .. but no wallet with drivers license.. |
| 21:17:25 | jmhodges | hrmph. |
| 21:17:49 | W|GGL|T | they wont card you |
| 21:17:49 | W|GGL|T | hehe |
| 21:17:54 | jmhodges | heh there we go.. |
| 21:17:55 | jmhodges | got it |
| 21:18:02 | jmhodges | au revoir mes amis! |
| 21:18:06 | jmhodges | bbiab |
| 21:20:46 | W|GGL|T | later |
| 21:21:20 | Richard| | have you guys seen this? |
| 21:21:21 | Richard| | http://www.fossil.com/tech/default.asp?ID=tech |
| 21:21:40 | Richard| | looks pretty cool :) |
| 21:21:59 | nemui-chan | how cool |
| 21:22:04 | nemui-chan | too bad they both run crappy os's. :) |
| 21:22:07 | Richard| | haha |
| 21:22:29 | Richard| | (wrist watch which can store Palm or PocketPC data) |
| 21:22:32 | Richard| | well |
| 21:22:41 | Richard| | dunno what OS the watches themselves run |
| 21:22:57 | Richard| | I wonder if it could communicate with a Zaurus, heh ;) |
| 21:23:11 | Richard| | since it's IR... |
| 21:23:45 | Richard| | 8-bit EPSON CPU *lol* |
| 21:24:01 | Richard| | MEMORY STORAGE |
| 21:24:02 | Richard| | 190 Kbytes |
| 21:24:04 | Richard| | hah |
| 21:40:56 | CloudChaser | the z can't do stereo sound right? |
| 21:41:42 | Kopsis | Yes it can. |
| 21:42:03 | CloudChaser | oh neat :) so can i get an external amplified speaker to plug into it? |
| 21:42:12 | bill2or3 | sure |
| 21:42:14 | CloudChaser | (pair of speakers) |
| 21:42:20 | CloudChaser | like would pc speakers work? |
| 21:42:24 | bill2or3 | like a set of pc-speakers |
| 21:42:32 | CloudChaser | yay :) |
| 21:42:39 | bill2or3 | or one of the car-cassette-adapters, too. |
| 21:42:59 | CloudChaser | car cassette adapters fit in z? |
| 21:43:11 | bill2or3 | no, in a car stereo... |
| 21:43:27 | bill2or3 | like to play oudio on your z thru the car speakers |
| 21:43:43 | bill2or3 | err.. audio |
| 21:43:58 | CloudChaser | ohh |
| 21:44:02 | CloudChaser | gotcha |
| 21:44:19 | CloudChaser | oh bleh |
| 21:44:25 | CloudChaser | have to take out the wireless card |
| 21:44:29 | CloudChaser | sighs |
| 21:46:01 | bill2or3 | you need wireless in your car? |
| 21:46:14 | CloudChaser | hehe no |
| 21:46:25 | CloudChaser | it will be fine when i am out and about |
| 21:46:47 | CloudChaser | just annoying that the stylus and the sound jack are blocked |
| 21:46:57 | bill2or3 | which card do you have? |
| 21:47:03 | CloudChaser | dlink |
| 21:47:17 | bill2or3 | are there any that don't block the stylus? |
| 21:47:23 | CloudChaser | yes |
| 21:47:25 | CloudChaser | socket i think |
| 21:47:34 | CloudChaser | but 've read of some problems with it |
| 21:47:40 | CloudChaser | hard to get it working i think |
| 21:47:41 | y0ssarian | i have a smc that doesn't block |
| 21:47:43 | CloudChaser | and its more expensive |
| 21:47:46 | y0ssarian | no problems getting it to work |
| 21:47:48 | bill2or3 | oh yeah, i heard it doesn't work with kismet |
| 21:47:51 | bill2or3 | smc huh |
| 21:47:55 | y0ssarian | yeah |
| 21:47:57 | y0ssarian | works great |
| 21:48:01 | bill2or3 | do any of them have an antenna connector? |
| 21:48:06 | bill2or3 | that would rule |
| 21:48:08 | y0ssarian | don't think so |
| 21:48:08 | CloudChaser | does the smc work with kismet? |
| 21:48:10 | y0ssarian | yeah |
| 21:48:18 | y0ssarian | works with kismet |
| 21:48:22 | y0ssarian | no antenna |
| 21:48:28 | CloudChaser | well i have to wait before i get another card |
| 21:48:34 | CloudChaser | have mor things to get first |
| 21:48:47 | CloudChaser | sd card, serial cable |
| 21:48:54 | y0ssarian | lol, story of my life, always more crap to buy |
| 21:49:00 | bill2or3 | hmmmm |
| 21:49:01 | CloudChaser | yeah ain't that the truth |
| 21:49:13 | bill2or3 | the Z's interface is serial? I thought it was usb.. |
| 21:49:14 | CloudChaser | i did get external battery pack which is very cool |
| 21:49:27 | y0ssarian | i've been looking at those, where did you get it from? |
| 21:49:30 | CloudChaser | there's a serial cable fr it but it stinks |
| 21:49:32 | bill2or3 | can you hook up a gps to the serial? |
| 21:49:38 | CloudChaser | i bought mine at a camera store |
| 21:49:43 | CloudChaser | the battery pack |
| 21:49:56 | bill2or3 | it's not special-made for the Z? |
| 21:49:56 | y0ssarian | CloudChaser: what kind of battery is it? |
| 21:50:00 | CloudChaser | nice with a little leather case and belt clip |
| 21:50:24 | y0ssarian | nicd, Li-ion? |
| 21:50:27 | CloudChaser | its a digipower 8100 |
| 21:50:44 | CloudChaser | comes with a cable that plugs right into z or ipaq |
| 21:50:52 | y0ssarian | NiMH |
| 21:50:54 | bill2or3 | nice |
| 21:50:59 | CloudChaser | charges in about an hour and you can use it while you are charging |
| 21:51:11 | CloudChaser | nimh |
| 21:51:15 | bill2or3 | http://www.thomas-distributing.com/dp-dps-8100.htm |
| 21:51:25 | bill2or3 | how long is it good for? |
| 21:51:33 | CloudChaser | haven't fully tested it yet |
| 21:51:43 | CloudChaser | but i read a person got 3 full charges out of it |
| 21:51:54 | y0ssarian | wow |
| 21:51:58 | y0ssarian | that's pretty good |
| 21:52:10 | y0ssarian | only $50 |
| 21:52:19 | bill2or3 | damn |
| 21:52:26 | CloudChaser | i can't verify that but i'll try sometime.. haven't been out on the road for long since i got it |
| 21:52:46 | CloudChaser | someday i'll get the solar charger too ;) |
| 21:54:13 | bill2or3 | that's for like... outdoors.. right? |
| 21:54:20 | bill2or3 | beware the DeathOrb. |
| 21:54:26 | CloudChaser | yes.. what's that? |
| 21:55:07 | y0ssarian | lmao |
| 21:55:57 | y0ssarian | deathorb == sun |
| 21:56:13 | bill2or3 | BeWaREEE!! |
| 21:56:40 | y0ssarian | bill2or3: are you a pasty white geek? |
| 21:57:41 | CloudChaser | hehe *looks embarrassed* |
| 22:01:20 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 22:01:35 | W|GGL|T | is a dark geek |
| 22:04:03 | Richard| | is always wrapped in from head to toes to avoid any direct sunlight exposure |
| 22:05:07 | W|GGL|T | i scalded the holy hell out of my neck this weekend cutting the grass though |
| 22:05:22 | y0ssarian | i got sunburned at the beach last weekend |
| 22:05:24 | y0ssarian | and i'm peeling |
| 22:05:26 | W|GGL|T | didn't know i was sunburned... |
| 22:05:37 | W|GGL|T | just knew my neck hurt |
| 22:06:14 | W|GGL|T | most black people dont burn like that |
| 22:07:15 | W|GGL|T | wishes netscape 4.76 and mozilla would share bookmarks |
| 22:07:39 | y0ssarian | ugh, why would anyone want to subject themselves to ns 4? |
| 22:07:48 | NetAmp | ahhhhhh |
| 22:07:57 | NetAmp | runs and screams in horro |
| 22:07:57 | NetAmp | r |
| 22:08:00 | W|GGL|T | in some cases, its quicker than mozilla |
| 22:08:05 | y0ssarian | really? |
| 22:08:12 | bill2or3 | <-- the pastiest |
| 22:08:13 | W|GGL|T | on my systemS, yeah |
| 22:08:16 | NetAmp | I hate the default ns/mozilla skins |
| 22:08:31 | y0ssarian | yeah, but there are some that are pretty good |
| 22:08:33 | NetAmp | does mozilla 1.0 look any better? |
| 22:08:36 | y0ssarian | i like the pinball one |
| 22:08:41 | y0ssarian | the default skins are the same |
| 22:08:44 | W|GGL|T | i havent tried 1.0 yet |
| 22:08:52 | y0ssarian | i'm waiting for it to show up in apt |
| 22:13:09 | W|GGL|T | WAS going to take a spirited joyride in the sportscar but the daughters are just wayyy too cranky this evening |
| 22:18:18 | jmhodges | bam |
| 22:18:20 | jmhodges | ok im back |
| 22:18:36 | jmhodges | bought a fscking kodak one which im sure will not work in linux.. but its multi-typed so.. |
| 22:18:41 | jmhodges | bbiab |
| 22:18:44 | jmhodges | gotta reboot |
| 22:24:55 | NetAmp | kodak? hm... |
| 22:25:28 | y0ssarian | i bet it would have worked in linux |
| 22:25:35 | y0ssarian | he just was too lazy to try ;) |
| 22:25:37 | W|GGL|T | same here |
| 22:25:46 | NetAmp | what is he talking about anyway? |
| 22:25:52 | W|GGL|T | card reader |
| 22:26:14 | NetAmp | oh ok, heh |
| 22:37:07 | NetAmp | hrm.. is there a standard filesystem for SD-cards? |
| 22:38:13 | ljp | vfat |
| 22:38:49 | NetAmp | ah, thought so |
| 22:38:50 | NetAmp | but my vidcam uses SD too for stills, I wonder if it could be used with a Z |
| 22:39:01 | NetAmp | oh well I guess I'll just have to try :) |
| 22:39:32 | y0ssarian | probably can, my digicam uses a fat16 cf card |
| 22:39:39 | NetAmp | cool :) |
| 22:40:09 | NetAmp | I have an older type Sony DSC, but it's MemoryStick |
| 22:40:11 | NetAmp | dangit |
| 22:40:14 | NetAmp | I hate that |
| 22:40:20 | NetAmp | all the different 'standards' :( |
| 22:40:45 | NetAmp | Acer is going to use MemoryStick in their new XScale PckPC PDA |
| 22:40:49 | bill2or3 | bleh |
| 22:40:52 | bill2or3 | memorystick sucks |
| 22:40:53 | NetAmp | instead of SD+CF :( |
| 22:41:03 | bill2or3 | hates sony |
| 22:41:08 | y0ssarian | are there memory stick peripherals? |
| 22:41:10 | NetAmp | and MemoryStick is friggin' expensive too |
| 22:41:20 | NetAmp | y0ssarian: I believe there are none |
| 22:41:26 | y0ssarian | that's dumb |
| 22:41:32 | NetAmp | so it's pretty weird indeed... |
| 22:41:34 | y0ssarian | i guess they're getting a kickback from sony |
| 22:53:44 | jmhodges | fsck |
| 22:53:51 | jmhodges | i think im going to have to take this thing back.. |
| 22:54:00 | W|GGL|T | won't work? |
| 22:54:43 | jmhodges | well i cant figure out how to get data on and off of it .. the Compact Flash software that its supposed to install seemingly wont install |
| 22:54:48 | jmhodges | i hate windows |
| 22:54:55 | y0ssarian | what windows? |
| 22:55:12 | y0ssarian | most stuff like that just works when you plug it in, with win2k anyway |
| 22:55:17 | y0ssarian | is it usb? |
| 22:55:19 | W|GGL|T | i dunno...i use a pcmcia reader for my notebook |
| 22:55:20 | NetAmp | Windoze XP indahouse |
| 22:55:23 | jmhodges | yes it is usb |
| 22:55:34 | jmhodges | is running win2k pro in this partition.. |
| 22:55:47 | y0ssarian | try just plugging the reader in and see what happens |
| 22:55:55 | jmhodges | im grabbing an update to see what happens |
| 22:56:00 | jmhodges | y0ssarian: nothing happens |
| 22:56:20 | y0ssarian | hrmm |
| 22:56:37 | y0ssarian | look at device mananger and see if the reader shows up |
| 22:56:48 | NetAmp | now I have 2 bootloaders ;) first is Lilo and then the WinXP thingy |
| 22:57:14 | NetAmp | but I'm not totally excited about Mandrake... maybe I'll try Debian or something... |
| 22:57:15 | jmhodges | ah ha! |
| 22:57:16 | y0ssarian | wow, i need a new job, i know far too much about win2k |
| 22:57:20 | W|GGL|T | ding! |
| 22:57:22 | jmhodges | i didnt find a driver apparently.. |
| 22:57:33 | jmhodges | dammit.. it couldnt find a driver for it on the cd |
| 22:57:44 | NetAmp | that sucks |
| 22:57:56 | y0ssarian | most of them should use the same driver |
| 22:57:59 | NetAmp | the driver detection is pretty primitive I believe... |
| 22:58:04 | jmhodges | no.. it only looks on the top level of the cd |
| 22:58:04 | y0ssarian | maybe the one you have is an oddball |
| 22:58:40 | y0ssarian | did you say that it does both sd and cf? |
| 22:58:53 | y0ssarian | mine is only cf, maybe they work differently |
| 22:59:11 | jmhodges | and sm and multimedia |
| 22:59:35 | NetAmp | no memorystick? :P |
| 22:59:36 | NetAmp | heh |
| 22:59:47 | jmhodges | heh |
| 22:59:54 | jmhodges | well i hope to god this wokrs.. |
| 22:59:59 | jmhodges | stupid windows.. |
| 23:00:10 | jmhodges | at least with linux i would get told whats wrong.. |
| 23:00:14 | y0ssarian | are you sure that it woulnd't have worked in linux? |
| 23:00:36 | y0ssarian | NetAmp: you should try debian, it rocks |
| 23:00:39 | jmhodges | y0ssarian: it was doing it in windows to avoid recompiling my kernel.. |
| 23:00:43 | y0ssarian | ahh |
| 23:00:43 | jmhodges | now im not so sure.. |
| 23:00:44 | NetAmp | y0ssarian: :) |
| 23:00:57 | y0ssarian | what's wrong with recompiling your kernel? |
| 23:01:04 | y0ssarian | should just be a module if it's supported |
| 23:01:06 | ljp | does debian run in windows 95? |
| 23:01:11 | y0ssarian | lol |
| 23:01:12 | jmhodges | it takes time |
| 23:01:18 | jmhodges | i meant to save time.. |
| 23:01:20 | y0ssarian | ljp: yes, but very slowly |
| 23:01:23 | NetAmp | haha |
| 23:01:43 | W|GGL|T | it takes time to save time |
| 23:01:59 | NetAmp | you could run Win95 inside of Debian again |
| 23:02:16 | NetAmp | so you have Win95->Debian->Win95 :P |
| 23:02:25 | y0ssarian | i had to run win2k inside of debian for a few classes i took |
| 23:02:27 | ljp | could I run debian running windows running debian? |
| 23:02:31 | NetAmp | poors himself a glass of WiNE |
| 23:02:54 | y0ssarian | i dunno, will vmware run inside of itself? |
| 23:02:55 | NetAmp | erm... |
| 23:02:58 | jmhodges | attempts to calm his nerves by pouring a glass of WineX .. |
| 23:02:59 | NetAmp | wahahah |
| 23:03:04 | jmhodges | dammit.. not in linux |
| 23:03:43 | NetAmp | ah heck I don't wanna go to work :( |
| 23:03:47 | NetAmp | but I'll have to... |
| 23:03:49 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 23:03:50 | ljp | me either |
| 23:04:04 | ljp | think I'll just stay home tonight |
| 23:04:07 | W|GGL|T | would give anything for a decent job |
| 23:04:20 | y0ssarian | is in the same boat as wig |
| 23:04:38 | W|GGL|T | i havent had a decent job in almost 3 yrs |
| 23:04:42 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 23:04:51 | ljp | is not on a boat, but more of a raft |
| 23:04:52 | W|GGL|T | that's why im a househusban |
| 23:04:55 | W|GGL|T | d |
| 23:04:57 | y0ssarian | i just graduated and everything i look at wants >3 years of experience |
| 23:05:13 | NetAmp | my job sucks too, but at least it pays OK and I do it next to college |
| 23:05:15 | W|GGL|T | at least you have a degree |
| 23:05:21 | W|GGL|T | im halfway to my assoc |
| 23:05:27 | y0ssarian | true |
| 23:05:52 | NetAmp | I have to do it in order to pay for my very own Zaurus toy ;) |
| 23:06:03 | NetAmp | gheh, so that's a pretty good motivation :P |
| 23:06:06 | W|GGL|T | and this town im in is so hick that everyone's battling for the tech jobs fiercely |
| 23:06:36 | W|GGL|T | NetAmp: i just charged mine on my card and took a financial hit :o) |
| 23:06:38 | y0ssarian | W|GGL|T: lol |
| 23:07:20 | NetAmp | W|GGL|T: ;-) |
| 23:07:30 | y0ssarian | i want a job in seattle |
| 23:07:36 | y0ssarian | i really like it up there |
| 23:07:40 | NetAmp | hm I could do that... but I'm not really into financial hits |
| 23:08:01 | W|GGL|T | i wasn't either until i kept hearing about the Z :o) |
| 23:08:08 | NetAmp | :D |
| 23:08:42 | bill2or3 | reisists the purchase |
| 23:08:43 | W|GGL|T | good investment tho |
| 23:08:46 | bill2or3 | must... resist.... |
| 23:08:52 | W|GGL|T | hehehe |
| 23:08:59 | y0ssarian | lol, my Z was a grad. gift |
| 23:09:04 | NetAmp | I went back to paper-only agenda because my organiser sucked |
| 23:09:15 | NetAmp | it's so primitive, heh |
| 23:09:15 | W|GGL|T | ack |
| 23:09:22 | bill2or3 | how is the z calendar app, compared to the palmos one? |
| 23:09:24 | NetAmp | but at least the batteries never die :P |
| 23:09:25 | jmhodges | FUCK |
| 23:09:28 | jmhodges | i have to reboot |
| 23:09:32 | y0ssarian | palm's is better |
| 23:09:35 | jmhodges | goddamn i hate windows |
| 23:09:38 | y0ssarian | lol |
| 23:09:41 | jmhodges | brb |
| 23:09:42 | W|GGL|T | at least you don't have to make sure its backed up or that you don't drop it :o) |
| 23:09:43 | NetAmp | jmhodges: cya |
| 23:09:57 | NetAmp | W|GGL|T: lol, true |
| 23:10:01 | W|GGL|T | i agree...palm's is better |
| 23:10:07 | bill2or3 | hmm |
| 23:10:12 | NetAmp | W|GGL|T: and it's also quite visible in direct sunlight |
| 23:10:13 | bill2or3 | that's the part I actually use. |
| 23:10:26 | y0ssarian | but the Z calendar will improve |
| 23:10:38 | W|GGL|T | heheh...so true |
| 23:10:50 | y0ssarian | power of open source |
| 23:11:01 | NetAmp | but it won't let me play any games for some reason... |
| 23:11:14 | NetAmp | only ripping out pages and folding them into paper airplanes |
| 23:11:29 | W|GGL|T | bwahahah |
| 23:11:32 | NetAmp | that isn't fun for long :S |
| 23:11:33 | NetAmp | ;-) |
| 23:11:36 | y0ssarian | you cn play the game where you draw dots and try to make boxes |
| 23:11:44 | W|GGL|T | and you lose your data :o) |
| 23:11:44 | NetAmp | oh yeah... |
| 23:11:50 | W|GGL|T | and tic tac toe |
| 23:11:54 | y0ssarian | but i guess you hvae to have a second player for those |
| 23:12:07 | NetAmp | hm... ouch... I'm actually physically deleting data ;-) |
| 23:12:39 | NetAmp | y0ssarian: well... I think there are multiple personalities in my head anyway, so that's not a problem :P |
| 23:12:44 | y0ssarian | lol |
| 23:12:50 | y0ssarian | i wish that Z had a decent email client |
| 23:12:57 | NetAmp | doesn't it? |
| 23:12:59 | y0ssarian | i never used the palmos one...but Z's sucks |
| 23:13:00 | NetAmp | hm.. |
| 23:13:03 | y0ssarian | for imap anyway |
| 23:13:13 | NetAmp | oh well I won't be using it for that anyway |
| 23:13:21 | NetAmp | wireless internet is WAY |
| 23:13:25 | NetAmp | too expensive here... |
| 23:14:02 | y0ssarian | all of my friends have wireless access points at their apartments + adsl |
| 23:14:13 | NetAmp | I also hate the i-mode crap the Dutch phone company introduced, slow and $$$ |
| 23:14:17 | y0ssarian | also wireless at work |
| 23:14:19 | jmhodges | FSCK |
| 23:14:25 | jmhodges | its the wrong friggin software.. |
| 23:14:36 | y0ssarian | jmhodges: you aren't having very good luck today |
| 23:14:54 | jmhodges | yes! i think i found the right one! |
| 23:14:59 | jmhodges | y0ssarian: no no im not |
| 23:15:25 | jmhodges | ok i need to find some food.. preferably meat.. i need to rip into something |
| 23:15:30 | jmhodges | while i d/l this thing |
| 23:15:34 | NetAmp | ;) |
| 23:15:35 | y0ssarian | lol |
| 23:15:42 | NetAmp | "primal rage" |
| 23:16:07 | bill2or3 | does the gameboy emu run fast enough to actually enjoy playing the games? |
| 23:16:20 | NetAmp | hope so |
| 23:17:12 | jmhodges | ok i gtg |
| 23:17:16 | jmhodges | ill let this d/l |
| 23:17:36 | jmhodges | but i gotsa meeting to go to.. (it may have been cancelled but that came second hand( |
| 23:17:44 | y0ssarian | that sucks |
| 23:17:45 | jmhodges | ick.. this colby tastes awful.. |
| 23:17:53 | y0ssarian | hope you don't have to go far for a cancelled meeting |
| 23:17:54 | jmhodges | yeah oh well |
| 23:17:58 | jmhodges | nope |
| 23:18:01 | jmhodges | like 5 min |
| 23:18:05 | NetAmp | :) |
| 23:18:10 | jmhodges | lives in samll edu town |
| 23:18:12 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 23:18:16 | y0ssarian | ditto |
| 23:18:42 | jmhodges | yeah.. kinda weird for a software etc to be having a meeting for the local store |
| 23:18:44 | jmhodges | shrgus |
| 23:18:46 | jmhodges | off i go! |
| 23:18:49 | jmhodges | bbl |
| 23:18:51 | NetAmp | sweet, I travel like 50 min :S |
| 23:19:23 | NetAmp | ok i'm off too |
| 23:19:32 | NetAmp | I need to get some sleep while I can |
| 23:19:42 | NetAmp | so my brain can sort-of defragment itself |
| 23:20:10 | NetAmp | (which is really really necessary, as you may have noticed by random stupid remarks ;) |
| 23:20:15 | NetAmp | have fun y'all |
| 23:39:42 | jmhodges | argh.. |
| 23:39:44 | jmhodges | that didnt help.. |
| 23:39:48 | [DrEvil] | ohh no |
| 23:39:49 | [DrEvil] | not again |
| 23:40:12 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 23:40:16 | jmhodges | my Z is wiped.. |
| 23:40:27 | jmhodges | now im trying to get my reader to work with win.. |
| 23:40:31 | jmhodges | stupid windows |
| 23:43:11 | jmhodges | FINALLY |
| 23:43:12 | jmhodges | ok.. |
| 23:43:15 | jmhodges | here goes nada |
| 23:48:10 | jmhodges | hello? |
| 23:48:12 | jmhodges | ping! |
| 23:48:42 | [DrEvil] | pong |
| 23:48:49 | jmhodges | excellent :) |
| 23:59:42 | W|GGL|T | damn, he keeps leaving |
