| 00:01:33 | jmhodges | CloudChaser: hows things? |
| 00:03:56 | Com[Plex] | POS |
| 00:04:16 | Com[Plex] | claims it cant find the stupid libXext.so file. wich is there. |
| 00:04:21 | Com[Plex] | hmm.. |
| 00:04:27 | nyargh | run ldd on it |
| 00:04:32 | bill2or3 | have you got ldd |
| 00:04:32 | Com[Plex] | ldd? |
| 00:04:37 | Com[Plex] | whats that? |
| 00:04:49 | bill2or3 | it lists library dependancies for a binary |
| 00:04:53 | Com[Plex] | bad command |
| 00:04:55 | nyargh | ldd is the alpha and the omega |
| 00:05:02 | nyargh | Com[Plex]: it's just a shell script |
| 00:05:06 | Com[Plex] | hmm.. |
| 00:05:47 | CloudChaser | hiya! |
| 00:05:52 | CloudChaser | doing great jm! |
| 00:06:06 | CloudChaser | someone needed help with the same thing youhelpled me with last night |
| 00:06:17 | CloudChaser | so i told him same as you told me ;) |
| 00:06:21 | CloudChaser | and he was good to go |
| 00:07:01 | CloudChaser | and i played nethack and got killed once and stuck in a bear trap with no way out ;) |
| 00:07:11 | Com[Plex] | screw it, |
| 00:07:15 | Com[Plex] | hey bill ya ready? |
| 00:07:38 | bill2or3 | ya |
| 00:08:05 | Com[Plex] | k |
| 00:08:59 | Com[Plex] | msg |
| 00:12:09 | jmhodges | argh.. |
| 00:12:21 | jmhodges | where do non-text non-app Documents go? |
| 00:12:28 | jmhodges | is not happy with the Sharp ROM |
| 00:12:42 | jmhodges | n/m |
| 00:12:45 | jmhodges | found my problem |
| 00:20:43 | jmhodges | hm.. |
| 00:36:05 | jmhodges | ok whos running sshd on their Z? |
| 00:41:59 | Com[Plex] | I dont think I am |
| 00:42:40 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 00:50:18 | jmhodges | wembly: ping |
| 00:53:25 | Com[Plex] | *SOB* I want to plaaaaaayyyyy |
| 00:53:25 | Com[Plex] | http://scummvm.sourceforge.net/screenshots.php |
| 01:01:17 | Nadav | wow |
| 01:01:47 | [DrEvil] | I'm running sshd on my Z |
| 01:02:23 | [DrEvil] | this Crystal Orb sure is purtty |
| 01:47:15 | wembly | ok herm. |
| 01:47:23 | wembly | one more night of living hell |
| 01:47:25 | ][N-Flux | doooooooom |
| 01:47:26 | darienm | Gezuntheit |
| 01:47:27 | wembly | well hehe not really |
| 01:47:39 | wembly | darnit i want my nes emulator :/ |
| 01:48:02 | wembly | how well do you think the zaurus will do with a snes emulator? |
| 01:48:17 | ][N-Flux | snes should be o.k. |
| 01:48:26 | ][N-Flux | maybe a bit framey |
| 01:48:27 | darienm | less well than it does the gameboy emulator, methinks. |
| 01:48:39 | ][N-Flux | neogeo pocket emu would rock |
| 01:48:50 | wembly | darienm: that sentiance dosnt parse. |
| 01:49:14 | darienm | wembly: and whose parser are you using? It must be flased. |
| 01:49:16 | darienm | flawed. |
| 01:49:28 | wembly | darienm: oh it is... its my own :) |
| 01:49:46 | darienm | wembly: get a refund on your 4th grade education :) |
| 01:50:08 | wembly | darienm: ok ill go ask for a refund on my taxes. |
| 01:50:20 | wembly | while im at it ill murder the teachers who did such a horrid job ;) |
| 01:56:43 | wembly | is there a zaurus news site? |
| 02:00:05 | wembly | is there anyway to get the zaurus to perform actions when a network is setup? |
| 02:00:56 | jmhodges | wembly: i wish i could tell you :( |
| 02:01:15 | jmhodges | anyone? |
| 02:01:36 | wembly | jmhodges: hehe dont worry |
| 02:01:41 | darienm | something would have to be watching for the connection |
| 02:01:58 | bill2or3 | what kind of actions? |
| 02:02:03 | wembly | if you dont know an answer to a question dont worry about it :) and if no one does that generally means its not known or is not possable :) |
| 02:02:15 | wembly | bill2or3: like sending the email in the outbox or syncing the time or other such things. |
| 02:02:18 | bill2or3 | you could connect in with vnc and click on things... |
| 02:02:31 | bill2or3 | or you could use 'at' or 'cron' from the shell, if it has them. |
| 02:02:58 | wembly | bill2or3: at and cron are only useful for time related events. |
| 02:03:06 | bill2or3 | yeah |
| 02:03:19 | wembly | im looking for something that can perform actions based on other events. |
| 02:03:21 | wembly | herm |
| 02:03:24 | wembly | perhaps i shall write one |
| 02:03:28 | bill2or3 | like what? |
| 02:03:30 | wembly | but perhaps some other time. |
| 02:10:42 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 02:34:22 | whardier | ][N-Flux got X |
| 02:34:23 | whardier | ? |
| 02:38:41 | jmhodges | whardier: what now |
| 02:39:02 | wembly | is there anyway if a network connection exists for it check for email every x amount of time? or does it do that already? |
| 02:43:11 | ljp | moves a 65 lbs monitor... |
| 02:43:37 | jmhodges | ouch ljp |
| 02:44:24 | jmhodges | would the url "http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.com/feed/" work in the "Install over Network" part of the Add/Remove Pkgs app? |
| 02:46:06 | ljp | yep.. thats what its for |
| 02:46:25 | ljp | or so I hear.. never tried it |
| 02:47:31 | jmhodges | lol |
| 02:47:41 | jmhodges | im not going to OZ yet! |
| 02:47:57 | jmhodges | i have to safely come back from my trip to euro before i try that! |
| 02:48:01 | ljp | thats not openzaurus, tho |
| 02:48:23 | ljp | heh oh, there's only a few things you have to do to get it running! |
| 02:49:13 | jmhodges | but i need stability right now.. im leaving for a trip with it and wont have to time to try new versions of things and the like.. |
| 03:05:59 | jmhodges | hey CloudChaser |
| 03:06:32 | jmhodges | CloudChaser: how you doin over there? |
| 03:06:39 | CloudChaser | hiya |
| 03:06:42 | CloudChaser | pretty good and you? |
| 03:09:00 | jmhodges | not bad |
| 03:09:15 | jmhodges | CloudChaser: you gotten install over Network to work for you? ;) |
| 03:09:21 | CloudChaser | yes |
| 03:09:28 | CloudChaser | both windows and linux |
| 03:09:32 | CloudChaser | its buggy but it works |
| 03:10:03 | jmhodges | CloudChaser: tell me friggin hwo.. my understanding of it is flawed |
| 03:10:18 | CloudChaser | ok i have wireless card |
| 03:10:33 | CloudChaser | you set the qtopia desktop to sync via serial |
| 03:10:40 | CloudChaser | and put in the ip address of your z |
| 03:10:46 | jmhodges | no no no.. sorry |
| 03:10:51 | jmhodges | i meant the "feed" thing.. |
| 03:10:54 | CloudChaser | oh |
| 03:11:04 | CloudChaser | yes i have that too, but only tried zaurus zone feed |
| 03:11:14 | jmhodges | waht is the url you typed in? |
| 03:11:22 | CloudChaser | one sec let me get the z |
| 03:12:18 | jmhodges | coolio |
| 03:12:23 | CloudChaser | http://www.zauruszone.com/feed/ |
| 03:13:52 | jmhodges | hm.. |
| 03:13:57 | CloudChaser | ? |
| 03:14:17 | jmhodges | did you put anything else in that Server page? |
| 03:14:27 | jmhodges | just the url and the anme rigfht? |
| 03:15:01 | CloudChaser | yes |
| 03:15:11 | CloudChaser | nothing on the bottom under proxies |
| 03:15:21 | CloudChaser | what problem are youhaving with it/ |
| 03:16:00 | jmhodges | weird. mine just flashes the place where its supposed to show me the pakages on the site and then exits out to that 3 button place where you choose "install, ion or uninstall" |
| 03:16:37 | CloudChaser | odd when i do it it brings up list |
| 03:17:06 | CloudChaser | ok you pick the install from network place |
| 03:17:10 | jmhodges | right |
| 03:17:16 | CloudChaser | and you have internet access? |
| 03:17:25 | CloudChaser | any firewall going on? |
| 03:17:25 | jmhodges | yep |
| 03:17:34 | jmhodges | supposedly :) i can ping outside my network |
| 03:17:46 | jmhodges | and opera works |
| 03:17:54 | CloudChaser | ok |
| 03:18:28 | jmhodges | hunh |
| 03:18:32 | jmhodges | wait a sec.. |
| 03:18:34 | jmhodges | hrm.. |
| 03:18:40 | jmhodges | opera doesnt seem to work.. |
| 03:18:53 | jmhodges | hunh |
| 03:18:55 | jmhodges | hold on a sec |
| 03:18:55 | CloudChaser | what type of network connection do you have? |
| 03:19:18 | jmhodges | weird.. |
| 03:19:29 | jmhodges | it dropped my route command i had just run |
| 03:19:34 | jmhodges | anyway, opera works now :P |
| 03:19:56 | CloudChaser | ok will the feed work now? |
| 03:19:58 | jmhodges | now im getting an error! |
| 03:20:17 | jmhodges | jsut "ipkg says something went wrong" |
| 03:21:01 | CloudChaser | ok what package? |
| 03:21:13 | jmhodges | no pkg.. just me trying to load up the feed! |
| 03:22:14 | CloudChaser | verry wierd |
| 03:22:43 | CloudChaser | and you have http://www.zauruszone.com/feed/ ? |
| 03:22:47 | jmhodges | yep |
| 03:23:01 | jmhodges | FSck |
| 03:23:02 | jmhodges | nope |
| 03:23:04 | jmhodges | .net |
| 03:23:08 | CloudChaser | ;) |
| 03:23:22 | jmhodges | aaaah.. |
| 03:23:24 | jmhodges | there we go.. |
| 03:23:27 | jmhodges | is sooo happy |
| 03:23:34 | CloudChaser | sometimes just takes nother pair of eyes ;) |
| 03:23:50 | jmhodges | hehee |
| 03:23:54 | jmhodges | sounding board's rock |
| 03:25:51 | CloudChaser | yepperes |
| 03:25:53 | wembly | jmhodges: i thought it was .com? |
| 03:25:59 | CloudChaser | it is |
| 03:26:09 | jmhodges | it is.. |
| 03:26:28 | jmhodges | i had http://zauruszone.farplanet.net/feed/ in before that |
| 03:26:36 | jmhodges | and i didnt change the suffic |
| 03:26:39 | wembly | umm ok hehe |
| 03:33:16 | jmhodges | hm.. |
| 03:33:22 | jmhodges | anyone here used zic before? |
| 03:33:26 | jmhodges | cant seem to get it to work.. |
| 03:33:27 | CloudChaser | i use it |
| 03:34:04 | CloudChaser | you have it there? |
| 03:34:09 | jmhodges | yep |
| 03:34:15 | CloudChaser | open it and you get a screen, click on add |
| 03:34:19 | jmhodges | but i cant get it to connect withthe preset thing.. |
| 03:34:21 | jmhodges | yeah did that.. |
| 03:34:33 | wembly | who runs zauruszone's feed? |
| 03:35:02 | CloudChaser | hmm i saw his name somewehre today but i don't remember |
| 03:35:09 | jmhodges | then what CloudChaser? |
| 03:35:22 | CloudChaser | for the preset you have name: openprojects is fine |
| 03:35:33 | CloudChaser | server: irc.openprojects.net |
| 03:35:40 | CloudChaser | channels #zaurus |
| 03:35:44 | CloudChaser | click ok |
| 03:35:58 | CloudChaser | then highlight the preset |
| 03:36:04 | CloudChaser | click connect |
| 03:36:18 | jmhodges | uh.. its just blank.. |
| 03:36:25 | jmhodges | it doesnt look like its doing anything.. |
| 03:36:27 | CloudChaser | give it a sec |
| 03:36:36 | jmhodges | ill give it a minute.. |
| 03:36:44 | CloudChaser | my window says *** looking up hostname and couopole other things |
| 03:36:48 | CloudChaser | and voila |
| 03:36:50 | CloudChaser | there i am |
| 03:36:57 | CloudChaser | points to Cloud |
| 03:36:57 | jmhodges | maybe its cause i didnt do the iptables IRC thing.. |
| 03:37:03 | jmhodges | yeah i figured.. |
| 03:37:25 | jmhodges | yeah no go.. |
| 03:37:37 | jmhodges | ah ha |
| 03:37:44 | jmhodges | .. somehow got disconnected again.. |
| 03:37:46 | jmhodges | blah |
| 03:38:04 | CloudChaser | you doing wired or wireless? |
| 03:38:21 | CloudChaser | there you go :) |
| 03:38:59 | warmi | re |
| 03:39:05 | CloudChaser | hiya |
| 03:41:43 | Com[Plex] | unf |
| 03:43:16 | jmhodges | where can i find a screenshot app for the Z? |
| 03:43:39 | CloudChaser | there's one on the feed i think but i haven't been able to figure it out yet |
| 03:44:03 | jmhodges | n/m |
| 03:44:04 | CloudChaser | i vnc to z and screenie it from my windows desktop til i find an app for linux |
| 03:44:09 | jmhodges | heh |
| 03:44:11 | jmhodges | bleh.. |
| 03:44:13 | jmhodges | i found the app |
| 03:44:18 | jmhodges | wonders where quake installed too |
| 03:44:28 | CloudChaser | i have it installed but can't figure out how to work it |
| 03:44:36 | CloudChaser | not quake the screen shot app |
| 03:44:41 | jmhodges | ah.. |
| 03:46:04 | jmhodges | hrmph.. |
| 03:46:11 | jmhodges | quake error'd out on me.. |
| 03:46:19 | jmhodges | needs a gfx.wad... |
| 03:46:55 | jmhodges | ah there we goo.. |
| 03:47:19 | CloudChaser | hehe i saw that the raycast progs out again.. i'm a bit leery to try that |
| 03:47:25 | CloudChaser | i tried it once and it didn't work |
| 03:48:36 | warmi | I think the author said the only way to shut it down was to reboot your zaurus .. or something like that |
| 03:48:39 | warmi | very much alpha |
| 03:48:54 | jmhodges | how does one rm a Document easily? |
| 03:48:59 | CloudChaser | i'll wait ;) |
| 03:49:06 | CloudChaser | on the doc tab click and hold |
| 03:49:12 | CloudChaser | and click remove |
| 03:49:28 | warmi | jmhodes: file manager perhaps ? |
| 03:49:29 | CloudChaser | or delete it from your sync windo |
| 03:49:33 | CloudChaser | that too :) |
| 03:49:44 | CloudChaser | i'm going to put midnight commander on tomorrow |
| 03:49:45 | CloudChaser | :) |
| 03:49:47 | jmhodges | warmi: thats what i need to install.. |
| 03:49:50 | jmhodges | heheeh Cloud |
| 03:49:52 | jmhodges | .. |
| 03:49:59 | warmi | yeah, but file managment on Qtopia is rather pathetic at this point |
| 03:50:02 | warmi | this has to change |
| 03:50:03 | CloudChaser | i just got turned on to that yesterday for my linux |
| 03:50:09 | CloudChaser | tkc has one too |
| 03:50:12 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 03:50:13 | CloudChaser | works pretty good |
| 03:50:20 | warmi | yeah, I have heard tkc fm app is decent |
| 03:51:15 | warmi | sometimes I get so frustrated I just drop to cmd line and wipe out files from there |
| 03:51:17 | warmi | much faster |
| 03:53:22 | warmi | holly crap .. jmhodges .. you are still on dial up ? |
| 03:53:29 | warmi | it is like .. XXI century man |
| 03:53:31 | warmi | :-) |
| 03:53:39 | jmhodges | warmi: im going to kill you :) |
| 03:53:46 | warmi | heh |
| 03:53:48 | jmhodges | warmi: all i have to do is wait for next fall.. |
| 03:53:50 | wembly | warmi: gotta love suburbia and the telco's :P |
| 03:53:53 | warmi | kill your service provider. . not me |
| 03:54:03 | wembly | warmi: they are taking a long ass time to move into suburbia :P |
| 03:54:11 | wembly | hell they are taking a long ass time to move anywhere :P |
| 03:54:17 | warmi | actually not where I live ( Chicago subs ) |
| 03:54:27 | warmi | but , yeah, it can be pain in the ass |
| 03:54:36 | tux_mike | the suburban wasteland |
| 03:54:37 | W|GGL|T | i think the majority of the world's internet is still dialup |
| 03:55:02 | warmi | yeah, but cannot even imagine going back to 56 .. uhh |
| 03:55:06 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 03:55:07 | warmi | nasty styff |
| 03:55:09 | warmi | stuff |
| 03:55:14 | jmhodges | CloudChaser: i figured out the screenshot app |
| 03:55:17 | W|GGL|T | broadband is based on availability, not style :o) |
| 03:55:22 | jmhodges | clike the little green/camera looking thing |
| 03:55:24 | tux_mike | warmi: nor me. you couldn't pry my DSL out of my cold dead hands |
| 03:55:52 | jmhodges | hit the up arrow twice.. it will make it go for like a second or two and then take a screenshot (i thinkg) when the little menu pops back up look in Documents |
| 03:55:54 | CloudChaser | yes then what do you do jm? |
| 03:55:59 | CloudChaser | ah |
| 03:56:05 | jmhodges | youll see this thing named sc_<sometime>.png |
| 03:56:13 | warmi | yeah .. if the line goes down I get pissed . it is almost like an addiction |
| 03:56:51 | tux_mike | warmi: i'm never pissed out of the fact that i can't get on, it's that people and mail can't get to me |
| 03:56:59 | CloudChaser | well look at that! haha thanks! |
| 03:57:14 | warmi | yeah, I have my little server , lots of email coming in etc .. yeah, |
| 03:57:29 | jmhodges | CloudChaser: hehe |
| 03:57:48 | CloudChaser | ok now what good is a .png file? |
| 03:57:52 | CloudChaser | except to a Z? |
| 03:58:07 | warmi | your internet explorer will be able to display it |
| 03:58:12 | tux_mike | does have to rebuild his server |
| 03:58:16 | warmi | it is a next internet standard :-) |
| 03:58:25 | warmi | I mean .. upcoming |
| 03:58:30 | tux_mike | it's to replace GIF files |
| 03:58:39 | W|GGL|T | free version of gif |
| 03:58:39 | jmhodges | CloudChaser: its and AWESOME image filetype |
| 03:58:39 | CloudChaser | ah ok |
| 03:58:49 | jmhodges | you need quicktime i believe.. if you are in windows that is |
| 03:59:00 | CloudChaser | bleh i would use screenies for docs |
| 03:59:10 | warmi | no . you don't need anything IEwil read it out of the box |
| 03:59:13 | tux_mike | ie 5+ can view them just fine |
| 03:59:19 | warmi | as will most image viewers |
| 03:59:23 | tux_mike | 4 has a little trouble |
| 03:59:45 | warmi | frankly, I use that file format for my imags almost exclusively |
| 04:00:17 | tux_mike | i use it for non-photos |
| 04:01:01 | warmi | anyone tried this new Palm emulator ? |
| 04:01:16 | tux_mike | slow as all hell |
| 04:01:17 | warmi | QCopilot |
| 04:01:26 | tux_mike | QCopilot? |
| 04:01:28 | jmhodges | anyone here using the qpe-quake? |
| 04:01:31 | warmi | not Qpose .. I know that one is useless but QCopilot |
| 04:01:38 | warmi | http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=236 |
| 04:02:01 | warmi | jmhodges: at this poin Quake is unusable |
| 04:02:10 | jmhodges | damn/. |
| 04:02:13 | jmhodges | oh well :) |
| 04:02:15 | warmi | people are working on fixed point version which should run at decent speeds |
| 04:02:26 | warmi | by decent I mean around 20 fps |
| 04:02:27 | warmi | or so |
| 04:02:42 | warmi | now it runs at ... ehem .. 3 fps ? |
| 04:02:43 | warmi | hehe |
| 04:02:54 | tux_mike | hrmmm |
| 04:03:00 | jmhodges | ewww. |
| 04:03:05 | warmi | like watching Quake slideshow |
| 04:03:05 | CloudChaser | bleh i can't read the new zaurus zone board |
| 04:03:13 | tux_mike | all i want is bejeweled |
| 04:03:15 | CloudChaser | i get erros |
| 04:03:16 | warmi | why is that ? |
| 04:03:25 | warmi | oh ... which browser are you using ? |
| 04:03:38 | CloudChaser | i've tried it in mozilla and ie5 |
| 04:03:41 | CloudChaser | Error: mySQL query error: SELECT DISTINCT ibf_posts.author_id, ibf_topics.* from ibf_topics LEFT JOIN ibf_posts ON (ibf_topics.tid = ibf_posts.topic_id AND ibf_posts.author_id = '9') WHERE ibf_topics.forum_id='1' and (ibf_topics.last_post > '1020827277' OR ibf_topics.pinned='1') and ibf_topics.approved='1' ORDER BY pinned DESC, last_post DESC LIMIT 0,15 |
| 04:03:41 | CloudChaser | MySQL error: Can't create/write to file '/tmp/root-tmp.079942778c29fe16/files/#sql6391_3f52_0.MYI' (Errcode: 13) |
| 04:03:54 | CloudChaser | thats what happens when i click on the announcements |
| 04:04:15 | warmi | I can click around and read stuff just fine |
| 04:04:25 | warmi | not much there to read but it works |
| 04:04:34 | CloudChaser | worked for me couple days ago |
| 04:04:40 | CloudChaser | i saw the first announcement |
| 04:04:48 | tux_mike | warmi: i'm finally making a game for the Z :) |
| 04:05:10 | warmi | maybe , when everything is up and running it will get better ... if not , complain loudly to Jason |
| 04:05:11 | warmi | heh |
| 04:05:14 | warmi | tux_mike: ????? |
| 04:05:19 | warmi | what is it ? |
| 04:05:48 | tux_mike | warmi: a battletech program. it's a combo mech editor, score sheet, and eventually a full implementation of the board geme :) |
| 04:05:51 | W|GGL|T | works fine here, CloudChaser |
| 04:05:51 | tux_mike | game |
| 04:06:00 | CloudChaser | if i click on the right on the topic i can read 2 posts.. if i click on announcments i get that error |
| 04:06:26 | warmi | that's a lot of work !! |
| 04:06:27 | Com[Plex] | I got a problem |
| 04:06:48 | Com[Plex] | this scummVm emulator, when I run ldd on it, says it cant find one of the libraries it depends on |
| 04:06:50 | tux_mike | it's a fair deal... i have to compress 2 books into my Z :) |
| 04:06:50 | jmhodges | stupid comp.. stop freezing on me! |
| 04:06:53 | Com[Plex] | only I have it, right there. |
| 04:07:00 | warmi | hehehe ... I got to go now but I am gonna talk to you about that game later :-) |
| 04:07:03 | warmi | I love coding games |
| 04:07:04 | Com[Plex] | ive put links to it all over the place. it wont work. |
| 04:07:08 | warmi | bye folks |
| 04:07:28 | Com[Plex] | :< |
| 04:08:16 | tux_mike | what's the library? |
| 04:08:24 | CloudChaser | well g'night all |
| 04:08:41 | Com[Plex] | libXext.so.6.4 |
| 04:08:43 | Com[Plex] | libXext.so.6 |
| 04:09:03 | tux_mike | that's a part of the X Free 86 distrobution. |
| 04:09:20 | tux_mike | this on your x86 build? |
| 04:09:38 | jmhodges | is the zz ipkg a better version than my own? |
| 04:09:48 | Com[Plex] | uh... this is on the release for ipaq.. |
| 04:09:59 | Com[Plex] | of the scummvm emulator |
| 04:10:09 | tux_mike | look in the xfree libs packages, it should be in one of them |
| 04:10:23 | jmhodges | is there a way to get gcc on the Z ? |
| 04:10:30 | Com[Plex] | isnt it there allready? |
| 04:10:33 | tux_mike | zgcc |
| 04:10:39 | Com[Plex] | yeah, I jst saw it todayu |
| 04:10:58 | jmhodges | hunh.. |
| 04:11:13 | jmhodges | is zgcc available for the Sharp ROM? |
| 04:11:23 | tux_mike | afaik |
| 04:11:59 | jmhodges | hrm. not in the zz feed than |
| 04:13:18 | W|GGL|T | goes to make some kettle corn |
| 04:14:40 | Titan818 | HELP! How do you set up Hotmail receiving on Zaurus!!! |
| 04:15:56 | jmhodges | ICK |
| 04:16:05 | Titan818 | ?? |
| 04:16:09 | jmhodges | Titan818: you're trolling arent you |
| 04:16:20 | jmhodges | away with ye, troll |
| 04:16:25 | Titan818 | what? |
| 04:16:26 | [DrEvil] | no self respecting Z user would use Hotmail |
| 04:16:30 | CloudChaser | lol |
| 04:16:34 | Titan818 | ... |
| 04:16:41 | [DrEvil] | blasphemer |
| 04:17:10 | [DrEvil] | "how do I install windows on the Zaurus?" |
| 04:17:17 | jmhodges | hehehe |
| 04:17:53 | jmhodges | Titan818: i suggest gmx.net .. use babel to translate the pages :) |
| 04:18:20 | Titan818 | ok |
| 04:18:33 | jmhodges | its german btw but its great |
| 04:20:52 | CloudChaser | If you look like your passport picture, you |
| 04:20:52 | CloudChaser | probably need the trip. |
| 04:20:59 | CloudChaser | hehe |
| 04:20:59 | jmhodges | heh |
| 04:21:14 | CloudChaser | Bills travel through the mail at twice the speed |
| 04:21:15 | CloudChaser | of checks. |
| 04:21:38 | jmhodges | oh my.. |
| 04:21:39 | CloudChaser | lol sorry...email from mom |
| 04:21:47 | jmhodges | this jeffreyfox thing looks... painful.. |
| 04:21:51 | CloudChaser | No husband has ever been shot while doing the |
| 04:21:51 | CloudChaser | dishes. |
| 04:22:04 | CloudChaser | whats that jm? |
| 04:23:19 | jmhodges | er.. well zgcc |
| 04:23:27 | jmhodges | im afraid to even attempt it.. |
| 04:23:41 | Com[Plex] | damni |
| 04:23:49 | CloudChaser | if i don't know what the initials mean i won't install it ;) |
| 04:23:49 | jmhodges | cant decide which is worst .. trying toinstall a gcc onhis Z or a cross-compiler on his pc |
| 04:24:02 | Com[Plex] | I have the source code for this, but theres no pro file. |
| 04:24:36 | Com[Plex] | theres a proj file, but if I use tmake scummvm.proj > Makefile it says it either cant open it or its got bad syntax |
| 04:25:59 | jmhodges | ? |
| 04:26:57 | Com[Plex] | syntax error line one scummvm.proj |
| 04:27:58 | Com[Plex] | theres all kinds of greek in this file. hmm. |
| 04:37:33 | treke|home | .proj is a VisualC++ project file |
| 04:38:10 | treke|home | scummvm doesnt have a .pro since there is no QT target |
| 04:39:14 | codemnky | $how->d |
| 04:40:23 | Com[Plex] | :< |
| 04:42:20 | Com[Plex] | im stumped |
| 04:42:25 | Com[Plex] | I wanna play this :< |
| 04:43:37 | treke|home | Com[Plex] : You want to use the Makefile that comes with scummvm |
| 04:44:28 | Com[Plex] | tried that, aparently im missing the SDL_thread.h files and a hundred other files |
| 04:44:52 | treke|home | you have to install the SDL headers and the arm version of sdl |
| 04:45:18 | Com[Plex] | hm... |
| 04:45:27 | Com[Plex] | downloading some sdl stuff now |
| 04:46:20 | codemnky | anyone recommend a good web based project management tool, perferably open source |
| 04:46:24 | treke|home | you also have to change CC to arm-linux-g++. Modify `sdl-config --cflags` to point gcc to the sdl headers, and `sdl-config --libs` to the location of the libraries |
| 04:50:51 | Com[Plex] | yeah, welp, im way over my head. Ill just email the scummvm guys and ask them politely to get a zaurus port |
| 04:54:40 | [DrEvil] | how about a SCI and a ZIP interpeter |
| 04:56:13 | [DrEvil] | I want to be able to play Sierra and Infocom games |
| 04:58:12 | Com[Plex] | actually, I think there is a port for the infocom text based.. |
| 04:58:20 | Com[Plex] | I have hitchhikers guide to the galaxy :> |
| 04:58:53 | Com[Plex] | but who wants to type that much on the Z anyway? |
| 05:01:34 | [DrEvil] | they had it for the Palm |
| 05:01:34 | [DrEvil] | which has no keyboard |
| 05:02:24 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 05:06:53 | LarryGarfield | Anyone remember what the URL is for the OZ package feed? I forgot to write it down before dumping OZ. :-) |
| 05:07:50 | W|GGL|T | Palms have those 3rd party keyboards |
| 05:08:18 | LarryGarfield | needs to try one of those out. |
| 05:16:13 | [DrEvil] | yes |
| 05:16:27 | [DrEvil] | but the standard Palm device doesn't come with one |
| 05:17:19 | W|GGL|T | that's why i said 3rd party |
| 05:17:57 | Com[Plex] | lary |
| 05:18:00 | | feed is a package repository or http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds or http://www.zauruszone.com/feed/ or http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/ for OpenZaurus |
| 05:18:00 | Com[Plex] | ibot feed |
| 05:18:03 | LarryGarfield | Compex |
| 05:18:06 | LarryGarfield | A ha! |
| 05:18:12 | LarryGarfield | Thanks. |
| 05:19:51 | Com[Plex] | no problem :> |
| 05:20:04 | | LarryGarfield: huh? |
| 05:20:04 | LarryGarfield | ibot take a bow |
| 05:20:06 | LarryGarfield | hehe |
| 05:20:15 | Com[Plex] | anyone here any good at programming in qpe? I need something ported :< |
| 05:20:52 | LarryGarfield | I've not touched a line of qpe code, but want to eventually. :-) |
| 05:23:08 | Com[Plex] | uggh, I am no coder. I know my linmits |
| 05:25:16 | LarryGarfield | I'm something of a coder, depending on the project, but I know my time constraints. ;-) |
| 05:37:10 | Com[Plex] | this looks like its totally ready to go,, it just needs to be trimmed up to run on the Z. |
| 05:37:45 | LarryGarfield | What is it? |
| 05:37:54 | Com[Plex] | I just stumbled into two new files of it, one that runs without SDL, and one with. both of these are geared for the ipaqw running linux. they just need to be suped up for qpe. |
| 05:37:59 | Com[Plex] | its the scummvm emulator |
| 05:38:18 | Com[Plex] | Script Creation Utility for Maniac Mansion. |
| 05:38:35 | Com[Plex] | lets yuou play all those games like, day of the tentacle, sam and max etc |
| 05:38:46 | LarryGarfield | Ooo... |
| 05:38:49 | Com[Plex] | these games are PERFECT for the Z |
| 05:39:03 | LarryGarfield | Never played them, to be honest. ;-) Well, not much. |
| 05:39:21 | Com[Plex] | all the things to say and do are in nice easy to access menues, hilarious stories, etc |
| 05:39:46 | Com[Plex] | I never really played enm either when they came out, but im looking for something fun to do on the Z. I think these would totally Own |
| 05:41:53 | roge99 | is away: Zzzz |
| 05:42:36 | LarryGarfield | hm. |
| 05:42:43 | LarryGarfield | I do wish I had more time to code. :-) |
| 05:48:05 | occ | hey |
| 05:48:21 | whardier | LarryGarfield you should program something called nermel |
| 05:48:25 | whardier | for opie |
| 05:48:31 | LarryGarfield | bah! |
| 05:48:35 | LarryGarfield | Garfield, Opie, and Nermal? :-) |
| 05:48:37 | whardier | hehe |
| 05:48:40 | whardier | true that |
| 05:48:42 | LarryGarfield | Part of the Arbuckle suite? |
| 05:48:47 | whardier | you got it |
| 05:48:53 | LarryGarfield | What exactly would they do? |
| 05:48:57 | whardier | maybe Nermel can be ups/fedex tracking software |
| 05:48:57 | whardier | haha |
| 05:49:05 | LarryGarfield | eh? |
| 05:49:06 | whardier | cause nermel always ends up in another country |
| 05:49:09 | LarryGarfield | rofl |
| 05:49:24 | LarryGarfield | (And it's "Nermal", not "Nermel" <g>) |
| 05:49:27 | whardier | ah |
| 05:49:28 | whardier | well |
| 05:49:32 | whardier | you are the masta there |
| 05:49:42 | LarryGarfield | Yes. Yes I am. |
| 05:49:50 | whardier | go.fig |
| 05:49:52 | whardier | anyhoot |
| 05:50:09 | whardier | I am gonna go snuggle up to an imaginary woman now |
| 05:50:12 | whardier | ttyl |
| 05:50:29 | LarryGarfield | Enjoy, I guess. :-) |
| 05:50:30 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 05:50:57 | W|GGL|T | thinks someone needs a RealDoll :) |
| 06:27:29 | W|GGL|T | is away: I'm busy smoking a blunt or sleeping or something |
| 07:33:49 | heiko | hi |
| 07:49:47 | Nett|work | heiko:whats up? |
| 07:58:23 | Nett|work | how possible is it to make a zaurus work as a cell phone? |
| 08:24:59 | neophyte | hi folks |
| 08:28:04 | neophyte | does anyone know how to contact the admin of the new ZaurusZone board? |
| 08:28:24 | neophyte | or: does anyone else have problems to view the board when logged in? |
| 08:33:05 | neophyte | no one? |
| 08:33:15 | neophyte | *sigh* |
| 08:46:04 | reg | so I guess nobody is responsible for the new forum, and I'll just have to mail Jason |
| 10:20:58 | reg | hi all |
| 10:52:11 | heiko | hi |
| 10:52:45 | heiko | can anybody tell me how to start java apps on my Zaurus? "java" does not exist |
| 10:55:24 | reg | what are you trying to do? |
| 11:00:15 | heiko | just want to start a java (jar) file in the console |
| 11:00:37 | reg | oh, I never tried that |
| 11:01:06 | heiko | reg: I just need the command for starting a java app. How do they start them on the Z without a java bin? |
| 11:01:27 | reg | don't know, sorry |
| 11:02:31 | heiko | wait I think I found it in a sharp deceloper text. java is colled evm! strange name :-) |
| 11:02:53 | reg | yeah, some things are strange |
| 11:03:23 | reg | still haven't found the backslash for german Z in the console (otherwise its shift-tab) |
| 11:04:06 | heiko | Yes I have the same problem |
| 11:04:19 | heiko | and X11 still doesn't work on my german Z |
| 11:04:59 | heiko | hm, but now how to start .jar files. evm x.jar says NoclassDefFoundError |
| 11:05:11 | reg | didn't try X11, but a friend of mine has, I think |
| 11:05:19 | heiko | an evm -jar x.jar says don't know "-jar" |
| 11:05:40 | reg | strange |
| 11:06:31 | heiko | does x11 work? Icwem starts but then no calibration program starts and so there is no chance to input anything (you have to soft reset) |
| 11:07:33 | reg | he told me something about x11 that made me assume he's got it running |
| 11:07:48 | reg | but I don't know for sure |
| 11:08:22 | heiko | could you ask him how he did that? and send his answer to me? |
| 11:08:43 | reg | I don't know if he did |
| 11:09:08 | Twiun | heiko: you need to use something like "evm -cp x.jar MainClassInXJar" |
| 11:10:01 | Twiun | the -jar thing only exists in Java2 |
| 11:10:32 | reg | jsut got perl to work after unsetting locale in .bash.rc |
| 11:11:27 | heiko | Twiun: Oh, but what does this mean: "-cp" and how do I know the MainClass name? |
| 11:11:57 | Twiun | -cp is short for -classpath |
| 11:12:24 | Twiun | you can find out the main class (if the jar runs with -jar under Java2) by extracting the manifest |
| 11:12:37 | Twiun | jar files are ordinary zip files+manifest |
| 11:12:56 | Twiun | so to get the manifest you'd do (not on the Z) |
| 11:13:06 | Twiun | jar -xf x.jar META-INF/MANIFEST.MF |
| 11:13:23 | Twiun | in the manifest there should be a line "Main-Class: someClass" |
| 11:14:05 | Twiun | Bear in mind that the vm on the Zaurus is onla a java 1.1 equivalent one... if your app is for Java2 there's good chances it won't run |
| 11:15:36 | heiko | thanks, java 1.1 is enough for me I just wanted to start my java colsole apps on my Zaurus but I didn't know how :-) |
| 11:15:56 | Twiun | no worries |
| 11:21:49 | surge | {standard input}:1: Warning: rest of line ignored; first ignored character is `@' |
| 11:22:10 | surge | anyone know whats wrong here? (trying to cross compile an arm bin) |
| 11:22:13 | mark | is away: common england... |
| 11:24:47 | Twiun | surge: no idea |
| 11:30:23 | surge | ok... anyone know what the arm assembler is called? |
| 11:32:07 | Twiun | hmmm... I don't... you'll probably have more luck asking later on |
| 11:32:25 | surge | looks like its trying to use the x86 assembler |
| 11:32:43 | surge | {standard input}:22: Error: no such instruction etc. |
| 11:41:48 | Twiun | Heya CloudChaser |
| 11:57:18 | thiebaut | Any news on bluetooth support for SL-5*** ? |
| 13:11:46 | CloudChaser | 'morning |
| 13:13:36 | Com[Plex] | ugh |
| 13:13:44 | bill2or3 | and how |
| 13:21:33 | darienm | Goooooooood morning Zaurus channellll! |
| 13:21:51 | darienm | (trying to sound like Robin Williams) |
| 13:22:05 | CloudChaser | hehe good morningto you too |
| 13:22:09 | CloudChaser | happy friday! |
| 13:25:40 | mark | is away: school lesson |
| 13:28:03 | N0Remorse | heya |
| 13:29:26 | ljp | anyone tried the boot dev cd? |
| 13:33:30 | ljp | heh you sounded more like Vanessa Williams to me... ;) |
| 13:40:15 | CloudChaser | hey.. i read an article (which i can't find now) that said they had the Amiga Anywhere running on the Z. |
| 13:40:28 | CloudChaser | they showed it to from windows pc to pocket pc to z |
| 13:40:40 | CloudChaser | anyone know about that or when it will be available? |
| 13:42:58 | ljp | amiga anywhere? whats that? |
| 13:43:40 | CloudChaser | well it's an os of sorts that will run on any platform |
| 13:44:26 | ljp | ahhh hmmm cool |
| 13:45:19 | CloudChaser | wish i could remember that article |
| 13:45:29 | CloudChaser | where it was...it was a conference |
| 13:45:36 | CloudChaser | and they had some sort of game i think on a cf |
| 13:45:58 | CloudChaser | and the pt it a laptop and it worked and then in a pocket pc and it worked and then in a z and it worked |
| 13:53:14 | JasonNJ | the amiga stuff has been running on the Z for a while |
| 13:53:21 | JasonNJ | thats the TAO Intent VM. |
| 13:53:30 | JasonNJ | we've demonstrated it at a few trade shows. |
| 13:53:47 | JasonNJ | it can run on top of the existing linux os |
| 13:54:18 | JasonNJ | that will probably be introduced in the japanese market first |
| 13:54:48 | ljp | ohh.. they always get the fun technology |
| 13:57:55 | benmeyer | morning |
| 13:58:23 | bill2or3 | hi hi |
| 13:59:06 | CloudChaser | but i thought they didn't have the linux z for japan yet |
| 13:59:21 | JasonNJ | the linux z will be released in japan this summer |
| 13:59:37 | CloudChaser | aww so we have to wait for the fall? |
| 13:59:54 | JasonNJ | well, we really havent decided to do with the TAO stuff yet |
| 14:00:10 | JasonNJ | it will probably be one of several VM's that the customer has a choice of using or installing |
| 14:00:24 | JasonNJ | I dont think we will be using just one VM for the java side |
| 14:00:33 | JasonNJ | there are several we will be using |
| 14:01:03 | CloudChaser | what's a VM? |
| 14:03:17 | bill2or3 | virtual machine? |
| 14:03:56 | CloudChaser | :) |
| 14:05:39 | ljp | vehemently maniacal |
| 14:10:44 | BigBoss | howdy ho |
| 14:10:53 | CloudChaser | good morning! |
| 14:29:09 | whardier | feels spankin clean! |
| 14:50:31 | whardier | nobody care bout my spanking cleanness? |
| 14:52:16 | ljp | only your cat |
| 14:55:51 | whardier | haha |
| 14:55:56 | whardier | man I am hungry |
| 14:55:57 | whardier | ! |
| 14:56:10 | whardier | heads down to the gas store for some fewd |
| 14:56:43 | ljp | ewww gas food? |
| 14:59:58 | matsavhalev | hey ppl, i am about to buy a zaurus pda and have heard some bad things bout the battery life, could anyone tell me what kind of life they get out of their battery in regular usage? |
| 15:04:48 | BigBoss | depends on what you are doing |
| 15:05:00 | bill20r3 | matsavhalev, I hear it sucks. |
| 15:05:01 | BigBoss | playing MP3's, or mpegs or just doing "normal" work |
| 15:05:09 | BigBoss | it's not great |
| 15:05:20 | BigBoss | but the 5500 is better than the developer 5000 |
| 15:06:20 | whardier | hehe |
| 15:06:22 | whardier | :P |
| 15:06:58 | bcanon | Especially when you have an 802.11b CF card in there. ouch. I still wouldn't trade it for any other PDA out there, though. |
| 15:07:01 | whardier | poops on you |
| 15:07:21 | whardier | poops on MSpin |
| 15:07:28 | MSpin | ewwww |
| 15:07:38 | whardier | better get spanking clean! |
| 15:07:39 | MSpin | heh |
| 15:07:50 | whardier | uhoh |
| 15:07:53 | whardier | kitty standoff |
| 15:08:02 | whardier | waits for a leaf to blow across their way |
| 15:09:13 | whardier | woowoo |
| 15:09:16 | whardier | I should stop smoking |
| 15:09:24 | MSpin | yes |
| 15:09:33 | whardier | I coughed and gagged up something that resembled a jellyfish today |
| 15:09:40 | tux_mike | i chose a bad week to give up smokin' |
| 15:09:52 | whardier | hehe |
| 15:09:58 | whardier | every week is a bad week to quit smoking |
| 15:10:02 | matsavhalev | so it really is as kickass a pda as i have heard? |
| 15:10:05 | whardier | that is unless it was a bet put on by a playmate |
| 15:10:18 | tux_mike | i chose a bad week to give up drinkin' :) |
| 15:10:34 | whardier | hehe |
| 15:10:38 | whardier | I wanna start drinking more |
| 15:10:41 | whardier | ans smoking less |
| 15:10:42 | matsavhalev | im planning to use it for normal work |
| 15:10:52 | whardier | that way it dulls the irritability |
| 15:10:59 | MSpin | matsavhalev: I've been very ahppy |
| 15:11:22 | whardier | tux_mike: my personal solutino theory .. I like to just take a break and be on my deck doing jack squiat killing myself.. so I am gonna stop smoking |
| 15:11:23 | MSpin | it's not without it's rough sides and problems, but I still love it |
| 15:11:28 | whardier | and start doing Banzai |
| 15:11:43 | whardier | then I can go on the deck and play with little trees and make them pretty |
| 15:11:47 | whardier | for a little break |
| 15:11:52 | whardier | and not kill myself |
| 15:11:53 | whardier | hehe |
| 15:12:03 | whardier | Banzai Tree = Solution to smoking |
| 15:12:10 | matsavhalev | well it was that or an ipaq/palm, i guess the order for the zaurus goes in tonite |
| 15:12:25 | tux_mike | and that's when i developed my drinking problem *splashes drink in face* |
| 15:12:25 | tux_mike | i so don't want to go to school today |
| 15:12:32 | bill20r3 | you cansmoke bonsai tree? |
| 15:12:39 | whardier | matsavhalev good choice.. welcome to the elite new nerd kingdom |
| 15:12:50 | whardier | bill20r3 noooo |
| 15:12:56 | whardier | you snip the tree |
| 15:13:01 | whardier | and make pokemon out of them |
| 15:14:01 | bill20r3 | heh |
| 15:16:36 | tux_mike | i want to spend today working on my program. |
| 15:17:06 | tux_mike | but i have to leave the house soon to make it at least look like i went to school |
| 15:18:30 | whardier | http://spamradio.com/listen |
| 15:18:37 | whardier | mp3 stream |
| 15:18:38 | whardier | haha |
| 15:28:12 | bill20r3 | will the zaurus play .avi files? |
| 15:29:15 | whardier | sure |
| 15:29:29 | bill20r3 | cool |
| 15:31:53 | whardier | if you feed it beans! |
| 15:34:04 | ljp | just make sure you use beano on the beans first, otherwise you'll get gaseous output |
| 15:34:04 | warmi | hi |
| 15:41:14 | ljp | hmmm |
| 15:43:53 | ljp | ibot: message for Harlekin: hmmm.. kergoth's merge to HEAD broke library, not good during linuxtag, eh? so much for code freeze.., or maybe I was under a wrong impression of what code freeze means.. grrrrrrrrrrr |
| 15:48:35 | BigBoss | who wants to see screenshots of our new tkcMail application? (it's not done yet) |
| 15:49:10 | | whardier: excuse me? |
| 15:49:10 | whardier | ibot: message for bzflag stick around later tonight for some sugar baby.. |
| 15:49:20 | whardier | ibot: message for bzflag: stick around later tonight for some sugar baby.. |
| 15:49:23 | whardier | hehehehe |
| 15:49:56 | bill20r3 | heh |
| 15:50:14 | bill20r3 | there needs to be bzflag for the z |
| 15:50:19 | whardier | no shit |
| 15:50:23 | whardier | too bad it would be too slow |
| 15:50:26 | bill20r3 | would it? |
| 15:50:32 | whardier | its all floating point |
| 15:50:39 | whardier | floating point is emulated on the Z |
| 15:50:44 | bill20r3 | I sed to play it on a 150mhz indy and it ran ok.. |
| 15:50:47 | bill20r3 | ah, ok |
| 15:50:50 | warmi | BigBoss: where is it ? |
| 15:50:51 | bill20r3 | bummer |
| 15:50:52 | whardier | he would have to precalculate all sorts of shit |
| 15:51:06 | whardier | like precalc more than the ram can handle |
| 15:51:54 | warmi | whardier: no , just switch to fixed point |
| 15:52:16 | warmi | that should be enough .. unless BZFlag requires openGL |
| 15:52:24 | treke | pretty sure it does |
| 15:52:26 | whardier | which it does |
| 15:52:32 | warmi | oh then forget it |
| 15:52:34 | warmi | hehe |
| 15:52:40 | treke | which makes the entire discussion moot :) |
| 15:52:46 | warmi | yeah |
| 15:52:47 | wwelti | Bummer. why do all those f*** apps only install to RAM? :/ |
| 15:52:47 | whardier | mooooot! |
| 15:52:48 | whardier | moot! |
| 15:53:03 | warmi | wwelti: which apps ? |
| 15:53:26 | wwelti | oh lots of em. hancom stuff, nethack, and more |
| 15:53:32 | wwelti | basically all of em who are big |
| 15:53:38 | whardier | is buying another SL5000 |
| 15:53:41 | treke | bill20r3 : I think the reason it works well on an indy is because thats what it was written on originally :) |
| 15:53:46 | Twiun | wwelti: it's just poor packaging |
| 15:53:49 | warmi | wwelti: package manager is screwed up |
| 15:54:01 | wwelti | huh |
| 15:54:02 | Twiun | Hehe, both reasons ;-) |
| 15:54:33 | warmi | it has all kinds of bugs which can cause this kind of behaviour |
| 15:54:40 | wwelti | hrm |
| 15:54:55 | wwelti | RAM is valuable... |
| 15:55:00 | warmi | it can be as simple as including _ in the package name to make it fail on CF/SD |
| 15:55:08 | warmi | all kinds of stupid errors |
| 15:55:36 | wwelti | wot? .. a package name with a _ fails to install to cf? |
| 15:55:59 | warmi | another issue. .. this stupid thing requires 2x memory to install anything since it does uncompress into tmp dir before moving it to the final destination |
| 15:56:04 | Twiun | symlinks in packages (like for libs) are also unhealthy |
| 15:56:04 | warmi | wweli |
| 15:56:06 | warmi | yeah |
| 15:56:15 | warmi | NeoTron pointed it out |
| 15:56:27 | wwelti | so i can go and sweep the tmp dir regulary ? |
| 15:56:54 | wwelti | and i can rename ipk files so they dont have any more _ and then they will install_ |
| 15:56:55 | wwelti | ? |
| 15:57:06 | bill20r3 | whardier, why are you buying another? |
| 15:57:10 | warmi | no, it cleans it out but the point is that if you have 4 MB disk (ram) space free and want to install 3 MB app it won't let you .. you need to have 8 to make it happen |
| 15:57:14 | warmi | crap |
| 15:57:22 | wwelti | argh |
| 15:57:48 | warmi | wwelti: no , renaming doesn't help .. it has to be renamed while creating ipk - it is an internal problem |
| 15:58:06 | wwelti | i have a 128 MB CF but only 6 MB free internal space left. crap... |
| 15:58:08 | warmi | as I said, package manager is a great idea but not this one |
| 15:58:23 | warmi | benmayer is working on a complete replacement |
| 15:58:38 | warmi | without all these stupid limitations |
| 15:58:54 | wwelti | ... which will come with something like openzaurus so i have to flash dead my Z ? |
| 15:59:04 | wwelti | and of course be incompatible with ipk? |
| 15:59:05 | warmi | no .. it will work on any zaurus |
| 15:59:24 | warmi | benmayer works for Sharp |
| 15:59:27 | wwelti | ooh |
| 15:59:39 | wwelti | so theyre addressing the problem |
| 15:59:41 | wwelti | ahh |
| 16:00:03 | warmi | I think so |
| 16:00:16 | jmhodges | nhudson: welcome to the wonderful world of Zaurus! |
| 16:00:26 | nhudson | yay |
| 16:00:32 | nhudson | thx jmhodges |
| 16:00:35 | warmi | or rather ..welcome to the wonderfull world of 1.0 releases |
| 16:01:02 | warmi | anyone remember how crappy PocketPC or PalmOS was at 1.0 ? |
| 16:01:05 | warmi | hehe |
| 16:01:09 | jmhodges | hehehe |
| 16:01:36 | whardier | *yawn* |
| 16:01:38 | wwelti | darn i guess i want too much from my Z ... install everything AND have 16 MB swap within internal RAM |
| 16:01:40 | whardier | I GET TO GO TO THE DENTIST TODAY! |
| 16:01:41 | nhudson | I remember Palm OS 1.0 |
| 16:01:50 | nhudson | it sucked bad |
| 16:01:51 | whardier | and flirt with the no sense of humor girl again! |
| 16:01:57 | treke | I dunno. I liked Wince 1.0 |
| 16:02:01 | jmhodges | hehehe whardier |
| 16:02:08 | treke | or maybe it was 2.0. not sure |
| 16:02:21 | warmi | whardier: be thankfull there is someone to flirt there at all |
| 16:02:46 | whardier | true that |
| 16:02:52 | warmi | dead silence while waiting at the dentist office is much worse |
| 16:02:52 | whardier | instead of some chick with huge clean teeth |
| 16:02:59 | whardier | smiling all german at you |
| 16:03:30 | nhudson | the Zaurus comes with the AC Adaptor right? |
| 16:03:34 | BigBoss | yes |
| 16:03:35 | wwelti | is it a good idea to make big swap partition on CF cards ? |
| 16:03:36 | nhudson | along with the cradle? |
| 16:03:36 | warmi | nhudson: yeah |
| 16:03:39 | nhudson | ok |
| 16:03:43 | nhudson | I feel stupid |
| 16:03:48 | warmi | BigBoss: where are these screenshots you were talking about ? |
| 16:03:51 | jmhodges | lol dont nhudson |
| 16:03:59 | wwelti | yeah it comes with a nice small AC adapter |
| 16:04:03 | nhudson | I bought the AC Adaptor too :( |
| 16:04:17 | nhudson | but I will Cancel that! |
| 16:04:23 | bill20r3 | you bought an extra ac adapter? |
| 16:04:34 | bill20r3 | oops. |
| 16:04:39 | warmi | it doesn't hurt to have one nhudson.. |
| 16:04:42 | nhudson | yeah extra 30 bucks |
| 16:04:54 | nhudson | well if it comes with one I wont need it |
| 16:05:05 | warmi | how about keeping spare one at the office ? |
| 16:05:08 | wwelti | with Z this is sorta not necessary tho. anybody has experience using other 5V DC power sources ? |
| 16:05:34 | nhudson | the cradle charges it too doesnt it? |
| 16:05:34 | bill20r3 | how long does it take to charge to %100 from dead? |
| 16:06:20 | BigBoss | 3 to 4 days |
| 16:06:46 | BigBoss | :) |
| 16:06:48 | wwelti | BigBoss?! |
| 16:06:50 | BigBoss | an hour maybe? |
| 16:07:05 | bill20r3 | that's not bad. |
| 16:07:07 | wwelti | 1-2 hours i'd say |
| 16:07:09 | bill20r3 | the cradle is usb? |
| 16:07:39 | CloudChaser | hiya |
| 16:07:44 | BigBoss | yes |
| 16:07:48 | warmi | bill2or3: yeah .. but at this point USB syncing sucks |
| 16:08:16 | nhudson | does the cradle charge the Zaurus also ? or Does it need the AC Adaptor to charge? |
| 16:08:46 | bill20r3 | so how do you sync? or do you not? |
| 16:09:08 | jmhodges | bill20r3: depends on the OS |
| 16:09:09 | warmi | well, some people have no problem ... I couldn't get this stuff to work so I got myself a lan card |
| 16:09:33 | whardier | bbl |
| 16:09:44 | warmi | frankly, I don't do syncing the way "normal" pda users do |
| 16:10:04 | warmi | I just copy stuff from/to my Z using 3rd party apps or manually etc |
| 16:10:32 | BigBoss | i never sync |
| 16:11:08 | warmi | well, if you don't use Z as your primary PDA then there is no need to sync |
| 16:11:10 | warmi | heh |
| 16:12:58 | wwelti | hmmm basically i dont use outlook express |
| 16:13:08 | wwelti | and no m$ appz |
| 16:13:12 | BigBoss | I hear an update to the sync software is coming out this month |
| 16:13:13 | wwelti | so what should i sync with? |
| 16:13:25 | BigBoss | I'll install all the new stuff then and see about porting over my address book from my Visor |
| 16:13:33 | BigBoss | there is desktop software that comes with it |
| 16:13:36 | roge99 | is back (gone 10:31:43) |
| 16:14:18 | warmi | huh .. that should help a lot .. most of the bad press Sharp got was related to screwed up syncing |
| 16:14:48 | CloudChaser | what type of desktop calendar systems besides outlook can it synch with? |
| 16:15:06 | warmi | is there anything else ? |
| 16:15:07 | warmi | lol |
| 16:15:15 | roge99 | evolution :) |
| 16:15:15 | CloudChaser | smacks warmi |
| 16:15:40 | CloudChaser | will it sync to notes (not that i use that, just wondering) |
| 16:15:46 | warmi | well, Notus Lotes perhaps |
| 16:15:59 | CloudChaser | hehe that's what i meant |
| 16:16:11 | warmi | hehe |
| 16:16:30 | wwelti | hmm my stylus broke when it fell down. i had to glue it |
| 16:16:38 | CloudChaser | aww ;( |
| 16:16:50 | CloudChaser | i have 3 spares (visor styluses) |
| 16:17:08 | CloudChaser | i keep em in my pocketbook since i can't get to stylus with wifi card in |
| 16:17:21 | warmi | hah .. now you are screwed ... Sharp doesn't offer any replacement stylus ( at least not yet) |
| 16:17:32 | CloudChaser | they don't??????? |
| 16:17:35 | CloudChaser | how silly |
| 16:17:37 | wwelti | a propos pocket book |
| 16:17:41 | warmi | they will |
| 16:17:46 | wwelti | anybody got a good case for his zaurus? |
| 16:17:58 | BigBoss | my pocket |
| 16:17:59 | roge99 | the visor ones fit perfect if you cut a little off the back end |
| 16:18:12 | wwelti | i am searching desperately for a good belt clip case |
| 16:18:13 | CloudChaser | i'd like a nice sleeve with flip over screen cover, not bulky one |
| 16:18:18 | warmi | yeah, there is one made in Japan that fits Zaurus perfeclty ( in fact it was designed for the Zaurus) |
| 16:18:22 | CloudChaser | nice soft leather one |
| 16:18:27 | warmi | but it is expensinve .. |
| 16:18:32 | wwelti | yah i have seen. but where should i get that... order from japan? |
| 16:18:45 | CloudChaser | the ones i see are all...man-looking ones |
| 16:18:47 | warmi | that's what I heard .... they do take US orders |
| 16:18:50 | CloudChaser | girls like z's too ;) |
| 16:18:59 | warmi | man-looking |
| 16:19:00 | warmi | hehehe |
| 16:19:03 | CloudChaser | hehe |
| 16:19:11 | warmi | you mean like pink ones with some flowers etc ? |
| 16:19:13 | warmi | hehe |
| 16:19:13 | CloudChaser | rugged he-man covers |
| 16:19:27 | wwelti | hrm i dislike ordering stuff from oversea.. things can go weird |
| 16:19:43 | warmi | yeah |
| 16:19:57 | CloudChaser | i want to see and touch it before i buy it |
| 16:20:05 | CloudChaser | need some in retail stores |
| 16:20:15 | wwelti | never seen one in RL |
| 16:20:17 | CloudChaser | even in "fine stores everywhere" would be good |
| 16:20:17 | warmi | if you are really cheap ( like me) you can get a generic one from Best Buy ( $6) |
| 16:20:19 | warmi | hehe |
| 16:20:21 | wwelti | (case for Z= |
| 16:20:42 | wwelti | well.. cheap is nice but then it doesnt fit the Z well |
| 16:20:51 | wwelti | and i can't use it well whilst sitting in the case |
| 16:21:08 | warmi | reasonably well .. it is not perfect but it works for me |
| 16:21:22 | warmi | no , you can't ... thats why it is so cheap |
| 16:21:23 | warmi | :-) |
| 16:21:58 | wwelti | umm as long there is no good one available i'll just continue to use the soft bag which came with my sony MD recorder |
| 16:22:15 | wwelti | tho this sorta sux |
| 16:22:24 | wwelti | i wanna have this japanese thing |
| 16:22:43 | CloudChaser | http://www.officeonthegogo.com/products.html |
| 16:22:50 | CloudChaser | i might get this for work-days |
| 16:23:46 | CloudChaser | for all the accessorys and the z ;) |
| 16:23:49 | wwelti | why doesnt sharp distribute a case for the Z? Are Z sales *that* low? |
| 16:23:55 | warmi | then go ahead and order it |
| 16:24:39 | CloudChaser | they should come with a case! |
| 16:24:47 | CloudChaser | a nice little leather suit for the z :) |
| 16:24:47 | Twiun | wwelti: I think it's quite likely more due to poor global organisation |
| 16:24:51 | warmi | CloudChaser: but this one doesn't have an opening for the keyboard |
| 16:24:59 | CloudChaser | right |
| 16:25:07 | CloudChaser | so thats why i want a nice little leather suit |
| 16:25:16 | wwelti | Twiun ... but why is that poor? Sharp manufactures quite some other stuff uh? |
| 16:25:27 | CloudChaser | so once i get where i am going i can pull it out that nice carrying case |
| 16:26:25 | CloudChaser | that one i put the link up is great for carrying z and all accessories but not for "use" of it |
| 16:26:43 | CloudChaser | now i have it in my pocket book and all the cards are just kind of loose in a section |
| 16:27:19 | CloudChaser | and i'm sure you men don't have a pile of room in your pockets for all the cards and cables |
| 16:27:28 | wwelti | hrmmmm ... the great thing about a PDA is that you can carry it with you all the time. SHOULD BE |
| 16:27:32 | CloudChaser | and your phone |
| 16:27:35 | CloudChaser | and and |
| 16:27:48 | CloudChaser | whatever other gadgets you might have |
| 16:28:08 | kergoth | made opie cvs explode.. whee |
| 16:28:15 | kergoth | re all |
| 16:28:23 | wwelti | this is true for my digicam and my phone because i got great carrying cases for them |
| 16:28:37 | roge99 | hey kergoth how goes it |
| 16:28:42 | wwelti | but for my Z (which is not that much bigger) i dont have one |
| 16:29:05 | kergoth | roge99: not too bad.. one of those days though |
| 16:29:07 | kergoth | roge99: you? |
| 16:29:29 | roge99 | im doin ok |
| 16:29:33 | roge99 | little tired |
| 16:29:45 | CloudChaser | exactly like for phones they have little suits on then you can put them into say a cell phone pocket of a case |
| 16:30:15 | roge99 | went to bed around 2:30 and some guy called to make and appointment w/ me at 6:10 am |
| 16:30:56 | mark | hi kergoth |
| 16:31:07 | kergoth | roge99: ack |
| 16:31:08 | Twiun | wwelti: Poor global organisation as far as the Z is concerned... I mean, each country's Sharp hq is independent! This always results in power plays and lack of cohesion... best example is the Sharp DE developer site |
| 16:31:09 | kergoth | hey mark |
| 16:31:13 | mark | is back (gone 00:03:28) |
| 16:32:27 | kergoth | Anyone here good with cvs? I need to find all files on the MAIN branch that are tagged with a certain revision tag.. any files on MAIN with that tag need to have that revision removed from MAIN completely. ideas? |
| 16:32:36 | mark | kergoth: you are the cvs guru ;) |
| 16:32:36 | wwelti | Twiun ok i guess yer right here |
| 16:32:40 | kergoth | bah |
| 16:33:10 | kergoth | guru my ass.. opie HEAD doesnt compile anymore ;-) |
| 16:33:26 | mark | kergoth: hehe |
| 16:33:32 | roge99 | kergoth: do you want to remove the files or just the tags |
| 16:35:38 | mark | w00t, Knights now deals with different engines properly. cheers warmi_lunch |
| 16:36:59 | mark | theme support, finish off the config dialog and I'm done :D |
| 16:37:01 | kergoth | roge99: lets say a file is stable.. at a given revision.. then a merge occurs, which adds a new revision of the file, changing it slightly.. the new revision is tagged with a certain tag on both the vendor branch and MAIN. I want HEAD to now point to the version prior.. the stable one.. either moving HEAD on that file to the previous revision, or wiping the revision comlpletely that has the tag in question.. |
| 16:38:53 | kergoth | roge99: now the problem is... the repository wasnt tagged prior to the merge, so one cant simply merge back to that tag.. |
| 16:39:25 | roge99 | cvs admin -o rev file .. will delete that rev ... |
| 16:39:36 | roge99 | but be careful |
| 16:39:37 | kergoth | roge99: but its numerous files.. the revisions are different |
| 16:39:47 | kergoth | roge99: thats why i need to do it based ojn the existance of a tag |
| 16:39:51 | kergoth | s/ojn/on/ |
| 16:40:18 | roge99 | you could check out on that tag .. do a status to get the revs on each of the files |
| 16:40:35 | kergoth | oi thats unpleasant |
| 16:40:36 | kergoth | hehe |
| 16:40:53 | roge99 | do you want to make it like the merg never happened |
| 16:40:57 | kergoth | parse the output of the status with a shell script and have it either delete the current rev or move the HEAD tag to the previous rev.. |
| 16:41:16 | kergoth | roge99: on MAIN yes. I'd like the imported sources on the vendor branch to still exist if possible.. |
| 16:41:47 | roge99 | i would back up the repository before doing anythin ! |
| 16:41:53 | roge99 | :-) |
| 16:42:03 | roge99 | sounds dangerous |
| 16:42:09 | kergoth | indeed |
| 16:42:31 | kergoth | I'm delving more into the intricacies of cvs than i have before |
| 16:42:40 | wwelti | hmmm. just wrote a test RTF with mobile word. tried to open it with soffice on the pc. looks ugly:/ |
| 16:42:50 | mark | wwelti: not good |
| 16:43:12 | kergoth | ljp: status update. my import into the vendor branch implicitly merged files into HEAD.. I had assumed that I could import sources and delay the merge to HEAD until later.. |
| 16:43:37 | kergoth | ljp: I was wrong, it merged shit in the import itself.. I'm working on the reversion as we speak |
| 16:43:44 | roge99 | what about checking out by date |
| 16:43:56 | roge99 | do you know the time that the merge took place |
| 16:43:57 | kergoth | I can do that.. and then copy over the checked out HEAD.. |
| 16:44:02 | roge99 | right |
| 16:44:07 | kergoth | it'd work for files that exist on both branches, but what about add/removes? |
| 16:44:12 | wwelti | so it seems i HAVE to get X running. and use real software :!/ |
| 16:44:15 | mark | kergoth: i presume cvs commits are off atm? |
| 16:45:01 | kergoth | can cvs up merge by date? i dont think it can.. just -j by tag.. |
| 16:45:55 | ljp | yes cvs up has the -D option |
| 16:46:08 | kergoth | -D updates by date.. what about merging? |
| 16:46:19 | kergoth | will -D work in concert with -j? hm |
| 16:46:40 | ljp | if you know the time, it'll accept that |
| 16:46:50 | kergoth | i know.. thats not what i'm asking |
| 16:46:56 | ljp | has a cvs pocket reference handy |
| 16:47:15 | kergoth | plays |
| 16:47:45 | ljp | it should.. its only date or revision |
| 16:47:54 | ljp | -r |
| 16:48:51 | kergoth | i think cvs up -D will update my local dir to match that date, i dont think it'd merge from that date into mine.. but i'll try |
| 16:50:13 | roge99 | do you want it to look like what it did before the merge ? |
| 16:50:38 | kergoth | yep |
| 16:51:59 | kergoth | I may do what you said.. parse a cvs status, use cvs admin to move the HEAD tag from current rev to previous on any revs tagged with the vendor release tag |
| 16:52:00 | roge99 | so if you checked it out by date just prior to the merg and then commited it you should be ok .. no ? |
| 16:52:16 | kergoth | hm |
| 16:52:26 | kergoth | probably |
| 16:53:07 | kergoth | double checks the sticky tags prior to commit |
| 16:56:07 | kergoth | roge99: well, thatll work for files in both head and previous... any files added by the merge i can assume will be the only files left in HEAD that still have the release tag.. and any files deleted by it i should find in the local previous dir and not in cvs.. |
| 16:56:26 | kergoth | so i'll have to readd/delete any appropriate files as well |
| 16:56:29 | kergoth | but thatll work |
| 16:56:33 | kergoth | thanks for the advice |
| 16:57:10 | Com[Plex | anyone up for a cha;llenge? - somoone feel brave enough to port the ScuimmVm emulator to the zaurus? - its SDL. :> |
| 16:57:30 | Com[Plex | they got a port fo the ipaq under familiar, or icewm. but it isnt compatable enough with the z yet |
| 16:58:05 | bill20r3 | I think complex *really* wants to play some monkey island. |
| 16:58:16 | mark | too |
| 17:01:50 | jmhodges | nhudson: ping! |
| 17:03:30 | Com[Plex | DAY OF THE TENTACLE!! SAM AND MAX!! |
| 17:05:49 | Com[Plex | hehe. im jonezing. I played it on the PC last night a little, its so awesome! |
| 17:05:58 | Com[Plex | it would be PERFect for the z |
| 17:06:41 | Com[Plex | ium sure it would be a simple port for someone who knew what they were doing. |
| 17:06:47 | Com[Plex | I have NO idea what to do |
| 17:06:48 | Com[Plex | :< |
| 17:07:32 | mark | Com[Plex: i may do it when i have the time |
| 17:07:39 | mark | (not that i know what i'm doing :)) |
| 17:08:00 | mark | whats the best way of recognising the tap'n'hold - ie the right click substitute? |
| 17:11:41 | Com[Plex | mark, you would be a GOD if you did |
| 17:12:20 | mark | Com[Plex: ah, I already am :) |
| 17:18:02 | occ3 | hey |
| 17:18:26 | Com[Plex | hehehe |
| 17:18:43 | Com[Plex | well, anyone who wis interested in doing the port, theres a channel on here, #scummvm |
| 17:18:54 | mark | kergoth started iirc actually |
| 17:19:02 | Com[Plex | they seem pretty helpful,m but since they dont work with qpe, they dont know where toi start |
| 17:19:15 | Com[Plex | started what? |
| 17:19:18 | mark | a port |
| 17:19:25 | Com[Plex | really? when? |
| 17:19:28 | kergoth | nah I never got to it.. i was going to after I finished Sarien |
| 17:19:35 | mark | kergoth: ah, sorry |
| 17:19:39 | mark | anyone know how many volunteer open source developers there are in the world? |
| 17:19:40 | kergoth | but my source tree for sarien got deleted.. grumble |
| 17:19:42 | tux_mike | complex: they should prolly start wit SDL |
| 17:19:55 | mark | kergoth: heh |
| 17:20:06 | Com[Plex | doh |
| 17:20:29 | Com[Plex | tux.. I think I have a straight sdl version here, not the source, btu I still cant get it to work. |
| 17:21:42 | Com[Plex | let me dig out my Z and try it agin |
| 17:22:21 | Neo|Work | morning |
| 17:22:22 | Neo|Work | is back (gone 22:25:39) |
| 17:22:37 | tux_mike | well, you also have to make sure it's been configured --without-x |
| 17:22:46 | tux_mike | hey neo |
| 17:23:03 | tux_mike | anyone here good at CG/drawing? |
| 17:23:20 | ljp | I can draw damn good stick figures |
| 17:23:30 | tux_mike | dom art! |
| 17:23:32 | BigBoss | my stick figures are pretty bad |
| 17:23:32 | tux_mike | :) |
| 17:24:11 | tux_mike | is gonna need some graphics for his app before he is done... |
| 17:25:26 | BigBoss | you can employ my artist who does our embedded work |
| 17:26:11 | tux_mike | i unfortunatley don't have money for employing someone :) i'd be doing other things if i had that money :) |
| 17:26:47 | ljp | BB: who's that.. MICROS~1 ? |
| 17:27:01 | mark | :-) |
| 17:27:10 | Com[Plex | the SDL version I have,m when I run it, it errors out with "undefined symbol: cmd__12QPaintDeviceP8QPainterP13QPDevCmdParam |
| 17:28:22 | ljp | just kiddin' they're not that bad |
| 17:30:29 | Neo|Work | notes that TT needs to learn the value of keeping to schedules. :P |
| 17:31:23 | tux_mike | quite |
| 17:32:02 | BigBoss | ljp: not at all |
| 17:36:07 | ljp | BB: i just said that because a few people noticed they look like WinXP icons.. but I wouldn't know the difference |
| 17:37:44 | ljp | wants to port 'Elf Bowling' to the Z.. |
| 17:38:04 | Neo|Work | BigBoss: one more feature I thought of in calendar that I miss - setting alarms other than "minutes" in advance, say i week, a day and such |
| 17:41:47 | CloudChaser | you can do alarm in days ahead |
| 17:42:10 | CloudChaser | so you could put in 7 days or 14 days or whatever |
| 17:42:57 | CloudChaser | neo do you have newest caldendar installed? |
| 17:42:59 | jmhodges | ok what does the OZ rom have in it? |
| 17:43:12 | jmhodges | cant find anything about what it actually has.. |
| 17:45:00 | Neo|Work | CloudChaser: I don't have tckCalendar but I'm considering buying it |
| 17:45:27 | ljp | OZ has opie |
| 17:45:40 | CloudChaser | oh well it does do alarm days,, hours and minutes ahead |
| 17:45:43 | kergoth | hm my cvs rm is hanging. wtf |
| 17:45:52 | JasonNJ | hey kergoth |
| 17:45:54 | CloudChaser | days you can put in 7 for a week, etc |
| 17:45:56 | JasonNJ | what be new my u |
| 17:46:01 | JasonNJ | er by u |
| 17:46:07 | JasonNJ | thank god its friday. |
| 17:46:13 | kergoth | hey jason.. nothing much. no kidding.. been a long week |
| 17:46:13 | ljp | hhehehe thank goodness for cvs up -CPdA -D 2002-06-05 ;) |
| 17:46:22 | kergoth | ljp: oh shush :-P |
| 17:50:08 | fusion94 | JasonNJ: morning... |
| 17:58:05 | whardier | can feel seperate teeth now!! |
| 18:01:44 | bill20r3 | yay |
| 18:08:14 | ljp | nay! |
| 18:08:46 | mark | ljp: elf bowling rocked |
| 18:08:51 | ljp | hehe |
| 18:08:55 | mark | i spent a whole christmas holiday playing that |
| 18:09:29 | CloudChaser | hehe |
| 18:09:46 | ljp | I still laugh at the program |
| 18:10:52 | mark | heh |
| 18:10:55 | mark | closed source isnt it |
| 18:11:01 | ljp | ya |
| 18:11:32 | ljp | but with my new, patented clonelib.. should be able to get it working.. ;) |
| 18:12:46 | mark | hehe |
| 18:13:09 | mark | oh, i thought that was specific to tkcApps :) |
| 18:13:32 | ljp | I've improved it |
| 18:14:22 | mark | ljp: oh right. cool. whats your time-to-clone of a tkc app now then? |
| 18:14:37 | [DrEvil] | ljp is a Clone Master |
| 18:14:49 | ljp | well.. its in debugging mode, so it takes awhile.. |
| 18:17:10 | ljp | plus it has to run all those icons |
| 18:18:39 | whardier | *yawn*! |
| 18:18:55 | whardier | I.. feel.. sleeeeepyyyyyy.... |
| 18:19:19 | ljp | its the heat |
| 18:19:40 | whardier | I just spent an hour with some old tit pressed against the top of my head |
| 18:19:50 | whardier | I think it was motivation to die |
| 18:19:56 | ljp | hmmm |
| 18:20:06 | whardier | some funky scary old hygenist |
| 18:21:49 | jmhodges | hrm.. |
| 18:22:24 | whardier | anybody feel like donating a machine to me? |
| 18:22:30 | whardier | it can stay where it is.. |
| 18:22:35 | jmhodges | is my qpeapp data compatible with the opie data? |
| 18:22:36 | mark | hmm - if you were playing a chess game would it be intuitive for you to drag pieces around or to click piece and click location |
| 18:22:37 | whardier | I just need to place uml's all over the net |
| 18:22:47 | jmhodges | and what are some of the bugs OZ has? |
| 18:23:05 | mark | hi warmi |
| 18:23:13 | ljp | has no beaming yet |
| 18:23:16 | mark | warmi: thanks for all that, all implemented and working. great :) |
| 18:23:46 | warmi | mark: no problem .. I am gonna send you final ipkgs with the engines so you can distribute it along with your product |
| 18:23:50 | whardier | should find a way to get the infrared port to work with the timex monitor protocol |
| 18:23:52 | ljp | alarms dont seem to work correctly |
| 18:23:58 | warmi | mark: are you going to charge for Knights ? |
| 18:24:12 | mark | warmi: yeh |
| 18:24:19 | warmi | good for you |
| 18:24:36 | warmi | lot of work .. you will have some spare cash for ourself |
| 18:24:45 | mark | I hope so |
| 18:25:03 | warmi | I am gonna wait with my Zchess for a week or two so you can make some money off your Knights |
| 18:25:18 | jmhodges | hrm.. |
| 18:25:23 | jmhodges | argues with himself |
| 18:25:24 | jmhodges | ok.. |
| 18:25:26 | jmhodges | um.. |
| 18:25:30 | whardier | slaps jmhodges |
| 18:25:44 | warmi | mark: are you using similar engine selection dialog in your app ? |
| 18:25:45 | whardier | thats cause I wanted too! |
| 18:25:47 | whardier | slaps jmhodges again |
| 18:25:52 | whardier | thats cause warmi wanted me too! |
| 18:26:00 | warmi | yeah, I did .. true that |
| 18:26:21 | bill20r3 | are people actually making any real amount of cash from apps? |
| 18:26:26 | warmi | no |
| 18:26:29 | warmi | not real |
| 18:26:32 | ljp | whats real |
| 18:26:47 | warmi | but enough to buy some stuff like CF cards , perhaps wireless lan card etc |
| 18:26:55 | mark | dc :) |
| 18:26:56 | bill20r3 | enough to pay themself minimum wage per hour of coding... |
| 18:27:00 | bill20r3 | heh |
| 18:27:03 | warmi | <warmi> mark: are you using similar engine selection dialog in your app ? |
| 18:27:36 | mark | warmi: yep, i pretty much just copied it - although its a widget not a dialog now, and a few other changes |
| 18:28:07 | mark | bill20r3: heh, whats that then? |
| 18:28:34 | warmi | yeah, makes sense |
| 18:28:39 | mark | warmi: also, where would you advise I stored the themes? I'm gonna make ipks out of all of them but im not sure where to put them |
| 18:28:40 | bill20r3 | what's what, minimum wage? |
| 18:28:51 | mark | bill20r3: minimum coding wage |
| 18:28:57 | warmi | I would use $QPEDIR/pics/knights/themes |
| 18:28:59 | jmhodges | hehe whardier |
| 18:29:00 | warmi | or something like that |
| 18:29:16 | bill20r3 | I meant the legal minimum wage, but I dont actually know what that is. |
| 18:29:42 | mark | bill20r3: oh right, I didnt realise you meant the legal one, I thought you were just jesting :) |
| 18:29:45 | mark | warmi: okay, thanks |
| 18:29:48 | BigBoss | what country? |
| 18:30:04 | warmi | I know that is where Neo keeps his Eligo themes |
| 18:30:12 | warmi | I also keep some stuff there for my Puzz-le |
| 18:30:17 | mark | the united kingdom of great britain and northern ireland |
| 18:30:26 | mark | what a _stupid_ name for a country. |
| 18:30:36 | warmi | uh .. that northern ireland part is going to get you in trouble some day mark |
| 18:30:43 | warmi | wait till some Irish dudes show up here |
| 18:30:45 | warmi | hehehe |
| 18:30:50 | mark | warmi: hehe |
| 18:31:01 | ljp | ya.. you should just change that name to Scotland and be done with it |
| 18:31:11 | warmi | heeh |
| 18:31:32 | warmi | mark: which part of England you live in ? |
| 18:31:45 | mark | warmi: I'm just north of london |
| 18:31:54 | mark | well, north and then west a bit :) |
| 18:32:16 | warmi | oh ok ... I never been there |
| 18:32:33 | mark | warmi: in ZChess, are pieces dragged? |
| 18:32:43 | ljp | or maybe even name it "that country that has Stonehenge' |
| 18:32:45 | warmi | no , you point and click and it will animate the move |
| 18:32:53 | warmi | I find dragging a bit cumbersome |
| 18:33:00 | warmi | especially with the stylus |
| 18:33:08 | mark | warmi: okay. knights has both in, I'm having problems with dragging though, may be removing it |
| 18:33:39 | warmi | you have to catch mouseDown and then treat every move afterwards as a dragging move until you hit mouseUp |
| 18:33:45 | warmi | at least thats what I would do |
| 18:33:53 | mark | yep, thats whats done here |
| 18:34:18 | warmi | so what do you get ? keep "droping" pieces during the move ? |
| 18:34:43 | jmhodges | ok thats it.. |
| 18:34:50 | warmi | what ? |
| 18:34:50 | jmhodges | i want to move to OZ today |
| 18:34:54 | warmi | hah |
| 18:34:57 | warmi | brave man |
| 18:35:01 | whardier | jmhodges haha.. you will be able to ssh in |
| 18:35:08 | jmhodges | will i have trouble with my qpe data going to opie? |
| 18:35:14 | jmhodges | whardier: :) |
| 18:35:29 | mark | warmi: no, its that I wanted to use 'right' clicks as well, which are extended taps, so it was thinking i was trying to drag |
| 18:35:43 | jmhodges | any OZ users here? |
| 18:35:59 | warmi | oh that stuff is tricky with the stylus |
| 18:36:07 | warmi | it often doesn't work well |
| 18:36:14 | mark | warmi: yeh, i'm moving it to trapping double taps instead |
| 18:36:29 | mark | don't know how well its gonna work though |
| 18:36:38 | warmi | well, you won't know until you try |
| 18:36:51 | warmi | but I am just gonna stick with point and click .. work well enough |
| 18:37:05 | warmi | mark: does your program work with the internet chess servers? |
| 18:37:19 | warmi | is it possible to play against another Z ? |
| 18:37:25 | warmi | (over the network of course) |
| 18:37:43 | mark | warmi: internet play isn't yet working, its being a right pain |
| 18:37:51 | mark | unfortunately, a server is required, so peer to peer won't work |
| 18:37:57 | mark | which is a pitty |
| 18:38:21 | mark | coz that'd be cool |
| 18:38:50 | warmi | mark: is this related to Zaurus or just original Knights are not done yet as far as internet play is concerned |
| 18:38:53 | warmi | ? |
| 18:39:09 | mark | warmi: its related to my port. |
| 18:39:28 | warmi | oh ok . |
| 18:39:33 | warmi | try to make it work |
| 18:39:36 | mark | i will |
| 18:39:45 | mark | item 4 or my todo |
| 18:40:04 | warmi | that would that single part feature my ZChess doesn't have ( and I am not planning on intriducing it at all) |
| 18:40:28 | warmi | I wanna get done with this chess thingy and move onto other things |
| 18:40:33 | mark | warmi: yeh, it should mean some sales once ZChess is out too |
| 18:41:01 | warmi | yep |
| 18:41:12 | kergoth | goddamn cvs |
| 18:41:23 | kergoth | I need a "i'd rather be coding" sticker in my cubicle |
| 18:41:28 | mark | LOL |
| 18:41:41 | warmi | yeah .. that's why you should switch to visual source safe |
| 18:41:45 | warmi | ( just kidding) |
| 18:41:46 | mark | warmi: basically, if you are being as nice as you are, I should be able to release a non internet play version really pretty soon, then an internet play one later |
| 18:42:10 | kergoth | warmi: speaking of which, have you built a arm crosscompiler for cygwin? i was just about to |
| 18:42:17 | warmi | I am gonna wait with it .. I don't feel like working on it now .. have other things to do |
| 18:42:17 | darienm | warmi - writing a chess app? Will is allow the player to "Castle" by moving his king toward a knight and swapping positions. The javachess doesn't allow that (boo) |
| 18:42:28 | mark | warmi: that should mean that you are not waiting on me |
| 18:42:33 | mark | warmi: ah okay |
| 18:42:52 | warmi | darrien: everything that standard chess allows .... castling, promotion with your choice of piece to be promoted to etcv |
| 18:43:03 | darienm | warmi - duh -- rook, not knight. Me silly |
| 18:43:05 | warmi | mark: I am gonna wait as long as you want |
| 18:43:18 | mark | god I love QT |
| 18:43:34 | warmi | kergoth: I never tried to built crosscompiler |
| 18:44:15 | kergoth | ah. I want a full dev env for my Z from windows so i can game in the same session as i code.. i'm tired of rebooting into linux constantly. hehh |
| 18:44:16 | warmi | I do develop on WIndows like 60% of time but I am using just plain Windows Qt and then move it to my Linux and Qtopia box for final testing and crosscompilation |
| 18:44:27 | mark | warmi: cheers :) |
| 18:44:32 | kergoth | ah |
| 18:44:59 | warmi | if you keep your Qt window the size of Z screen and don't use Qtopia specific features then you will be fine |
| 18:45:11 | warmi | at least that's how I developed Puzz-le and now working on ZDiary |
| 18:45:40 | kergoth | thats cool. zdiary looks like it'll be pretty impressive |
| 18:45:59 | warmi | yeah, I jsut changed the whole model from page based to scrollbar based |
| 18:46:05 | warmi | page didn't work out well |
| 18:46:16 | mark | warmi: that widget can't have been easy |
| 18:46:17 | warmi | there were problems with images |
| 18:46:44 | warmi | yeah, it is still not $100 working .. but I had some experience with this before .. I have written syntax highlighting text editors |
| 18:47:01 | warmi | I mean 100% |
| 18:47:04 | warmi | not $100 |
| 18:47:06 | warmi | hehe |
| 18:47:07 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:47:33 | mark | ;-) |
| 18:47:41 | warmi | this time I am going easy way .. normally I would create a special buffer for text and speciall preprocessed buffer for highlighting info .. |
| 18:47:54 | warmi | this time I am making it simply if not very efficient |
| 18:48:02 | warmi | every char has coresponding attribute char :-) |
| 18:48:27 | mark | heh |
| 18:48:38 | warmi | and attribute char has 16 possible colors + bold/italic/underline etc |
| 18:48:50 | warmi | should be enough for a simple journal /diary |
| 18:49:03 | jmhodges | which gcc compiler set up is correct? arm-*-elf or arm*-*-linux-gnu |
| 18:49:05 | mark | heh, I love it when ugly hacks work well |
| 18:49:20 | mark | warmi: i dont mean ur widget, i mean what i've just done :) |
| 18:49:45 | warmi | my widget is an ugly hack compared to the stuff I have written before |
| 18:49:47 | warmi | :-) |
| 18:50:13 | warmi | it is not optimized and more than 1 MB of text will slow it down a lot |
| 18:50:20 | warmi | but for the purpose I am doing it is just perfect |
| 18:50:22 | warmi | hehe |
| 18:51:20 | warmi | jmhodges: crosscompiler you mean ? |
| 18:51:28 | warmi | or native arm compiler ? |
| 18:51:30 | jmhodges | warmi: yeah .. |
| 18:51:34 | jmhodges | warmi: cross |
| 18:51:42 | jmhodges | warmi: hell.. native too. :) |
| 18:51:49 | warmi | I am just using RPM I downloaded from Sharp site |
| 18:51:55 | warmi | works well enough |
| 18:52:04 | mark | warmi: crafty is a nice engine, I like it |
| 18:52:27 | jmhodges | warmi: my distro doesnt have rpm.. (yet) |
| 18:52:32 | warmi | mark: yeah but I have to disable creation of various junk log files etc. . it clutters Z too much |
| 18:52:32 | jmhodges | warmi: its src based |
| 18:52:48 | kergoth | jmhodges: for building gcc i generally use a target of 'arm-linux' |
| 18:53:01 | kergoth | you could just extract the rpm. iirc its cpio |
| 18:53:13 | jmhodges | kergoth: cool.. so its the arm*-*-linux-gnu .. |
| 18:53:18 | warmi | crap |
| 18:53:28 | kergoth | yep |
| 18:53:30 | warmi | then you are more brave than I am jmhodges :-) |
| 18:53:48 | jmhodges | kergoth: is that for native or cross? |
| 18:54:15 | nhudson | jmhodges: message me please |
| 18:54:16 | kergoth | jmhodges: assuming a arm linux system as a host/build as well, arm-linux would still work fine for a target and host |
| 18:54:17 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:54:28 | jmhodges | kergoth: im seeing this in the description of arm-*-elf on gcc.gnu.org :This configuration is intended for embedded systems" |
| 18:54:32 | jmhodges | kergoth: ok.. |
| 18:54:38 | warmi | crap .. Trolls are really late with their contest |
| 18:54:42 | kergoth | no kidding |
| 18:54:54 | mark | warmi: we've been saying that for about 3 months. hopeless afair |
| 18:55:09 | kergoth | jmhodges: i've never tried that particular config. worth a shot though. heh |
| 18:55:21 | jmhodges | kergoth: hehe.. alright then.. |
| 18:55:22 | warmi | I mean it is slowly approaching “ridiculous” |
| 18:58:08 | warmi | jmhodges: you trying to set up Qtopia development box ? |
| 18:58:42 | jmhodges | warmi: thinking about it |
| 18:58:55 | Com[Plex] | :< |
| 18:59:11 | Com[Plex] | the scummvm guys arent being very helpful to me. hehe. |
| 18:59:13 | warmi | whatever you do .. compile Qtopia + QTembedded yourself .. |
| 18:59:29 | Com[Plex] | why? |
| 18:59:34 | warmi | I tried to use their binary and had all kinds of wierd binary incompatibility problems |
| 18:59:45 | jmhodges | ewww |
| 18:59:47 | Com[Plex] | weird |
| 18:59:53 | warmi | like static methods crashing for no reason while creating QPEApplication |
| 19:00:15 | warmi | this stuff never happened on the Z ( crosscompiling) |
| 19:00:15 | jmhodges | warmi: if i do this cross/native compiler thing im going to opie.. |
| 19:00:37 | warmi | only when testing on X86 Qtopia enviroment .. and when I recompiled that one it started working well |
| 19:00:48 | jmhodges | cool |
| 19:01:00 | warmi | I am talking not about creating native binary .. just X86 deve enviroment with qvfb etcv |
| 19:04:05 | mark | something has happened to my coding, I'm fixing bugs left right and center. heh |
| 19:04:43 | warmi | huh |
| 19:04:56 | mark | this is not normal |
| 19:05:16 | JasonNJ | where would you buy a old scummvm game? |
| 19:05:24 | treke | JasonNJ : lucarts.com |
| 19:05:30 | warmi | buy >? |
| 19:05:37 | treke | JasonNJ : They sell them in bundles for about 30 bucks a piece. |
| 19:05:42 | treke | lucasarts.com that is |
| 19:05:44 | warmi | heh |
| 19:05:51 | warmi | still making money with 1992 games |
| 19:05:52 | warmi | nice |
| 19:05:54 | warmi | heheh |
| 19:06:14 | treke | They also had a bunch of "classics"on the new release |
| 19:06:19 | treke | shelf at a local eb |
| 19:08:00 | warmi | well, I never liked their so called "adventure" games anyway |
| 19:09:02 | mark | hmm, bishops and pawns look all too similar |
| 19:09:46 | treke | JasonNJ : Theres a demo of Day of the Tentacle floating around somewhere on the web that works with it |
| 19:10:13 | warmi | I used chess TTF fonts to generate piece graphics for ZChess |
| 19:11:17 | mark | warmi: i've got nice ones here, they just look the same when so small - www.houseoffish.org/knights2.png |
| 19:12:30 | warmi | yeah |
| 19:13:30 | benmeyer | :-D |
| 19:13:37 | benmeyer | How is the chess game coming along? |
| 19:13:51 | benmeyer | The package manager has slipped another day |
| 19:14:02 | kergoth | hey ben |
| 19:14:04 | benmeyer | moving yet again to another threading system |
| 19:14:07 | benmeyer | this time a good |
| 19:14:08 | benmeyer | one |
| 19:14:08 | warmi | maybe you want my pieces ? I have like 8 sets : http://www.warmi.net/images/phalanx.png |
| 19:14:10 | benmeyer | kprocess |
| 19:14:26 | benmeyer | system->fork->Process->KProcess |
| 19:14:26 | benmeyer | :-D |
| 19:14:34 | benmeyer | hey kergoth |
| 19:14:43 | benmeyer | can you please put the kprocess class in the opie class |
| 19:14:45 | mark | benmeyer: heh. oh is KProcess in? |
| 19:14:49 | warmi | as I said , mark, each of them created out of ttf chess font .. wiht some image processing like added drop shadow etc |
| 19:14:50 | benmeyer | I am going to use it in a number of apps |
| 19:14:53 | benmeyer | it is already in opie |
| 19:14:55 | benmeyer | in the tooth app |
| 19:15:01 | mark | in should go in libopie |
| 19:15:08 | kergoth | benmeyer: we'll get a OProcess.. |
| 19:15:08 | benmeyer | very much agreed |
| 19:15:15 | benmeyer | OProcess? |
| 19:15:15 | warmi | is KProcess any better than Process from Qtopia ? |
| 19:15:16 | kergoth | benmeyer: what license is kprocess under? |
| 19:15:19 | mark | warmi: i've got a set like that |
| 19:15:21 | mark | kergoth: lgpl |
| 19:15:27 | kergoth | good |
| 19:15:28 | benmeyer | Process from Qtopia is well pretty shitty |
| 19:15:33 | benmeyer | KProcess is lgpl |
| 19:15:48 | warmi | it looks like it has everything you need .. pipes going in both directsion etc .. |
| 19:15:53 | benmeyer | KProcess emits signals when the process dies, has output etc |
| 19:15:56 | warmi | assuming it all works as advertised |
| 19:15:59 | benmeyer | it is very well intigrated |
| 19:16:07 | warmi | oh . ok , that sounds nice |
| 19:16:19 | benmeyer | yah, better then Process and its exec() call |
| 19:16:26 | benmeyer | which by the way doesn't seem to work |
| 19:16:28 | mark | KProcess is v similiar to QT3's qprocess isnt it |
| 19:16:34 | benmeyer | doesn't return any output for me |
| 19:16:44 | benmeyer | mark: not sure |
| 19:16:50 | warmi | I just went thru hell writing code for forking and communicating with external chess engines .. I could have used KProcess for that .. stupid me |
| 19:16:54 | benmeyer | but if it is then it will be an easy port |
| 19:16:59 | kergoth | cant you use the qsocketnotifiers in the ProcessPrivate class? |
| 19:17:03 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:17:12 | benmeyer | warmi: don't feel bad we all have done that |
| 19:17:19 | warmi | heh |
| 19:17:22 | benmeyer | but now you know so go forth and use the source! |
| 19:17:23 | benmeyer | haha |
| 19:17:28 | mark | kergoth: not gonna give up on that are you? :) |
| 19:17:38 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:18:00 | warmi | yeah but I hate touching Posix layer with all these signals etc ... it is so nasty and well "dirty" compated to the beauty of Qt |
| 19:18:02 | warmi | hehe |
| 19:18:04 | benmeyer | kergoth: I am going to use it in a number of apps and it is already in the repository so it only makes sense to put it in the lib |
| 19:18:04 | benmeyer | hehe |
| 19:18:10 | kergoth | agreed |
| 19:18:15 | benmeyer | and for we move to qt 3 then we can migrate |
| 19:18:28 | kergoth | has anyone played with qtopia 3 yet? |
| 19:18:39 | benmeyer | laughs |
| 19:18:41 | warmi | nah .. but I want to try it this weekend |
| 19:18:45 | warmi | seriously |
| 19:18:53 | benmeyer | is still trying to get away from sharps pre 1.5 |
| 19:18:58 | kergoth | we should look at its apps and merge in improvements |
| 19:19:08 | warmi | I wanna see what the hell is in there .. hopefully nice theming engine etc .. no more hardcoded crap |
| 19:19:16 | kergoth | in theory |
| 19:19:24 | benmeyer | kergoth: why not simply move to qt3 and provide a way to launch qt2 apps |
| 19:19:29 | benmeyer | i.e. have both libs or something |
| 19:19:53 | warmi | that will be must if you want to keep binary compatibility with all the software available for Z |
| 19:19:54 | benmeyer | kergoth: have you seen it? |
| 19:19:59 | W|GGL|T | is back (gone 12:52:27) |
| 19:20:03 | kergoth | even if we have a qt2 libqte.. i doubt libqpe will be binary compatible |
| 19:20:26 | warmi | yeah, you would have to keep them both |
| 19:20:30 | benmeyer | yah 2 libs |
| 19:20:33 | kergoth | yep |
| 19:20:40 | warmi | that goes for both Qte and Qtopia |
| 19:20:52 | treke | would they conflict when it came to drawing to the framebuffer? |
| 19:21:17 | kergoth | assuming they didnt change the windowing system, i wouldnt think so. |
| 19:21:25 | warmi | that's interesting |
| 19:21:30 | benmeyer | Well how about someone takes a look to see if they have any new apps so we don't dup |
| 19:21:35 | warmi | it depends how QTE QWS server works |
| 19:21:38 | kergoth | yep |
| 19:21:46 | benmeyer | but otherwise after finishing up the package manager a ftp client is next |
| 19:21:50 | mark | benmeyer: aren't sharp gonna have to do something like that - telling people who get new Zs that all the software they had wont work any more isn't too hot |
| 19:21:55 | kergoth | benmeyer: why not improve opieftp. heh |
| 19:21:59 | treke | that would be rather cool if you have the space for it. Then make new stuff QT3, and use the old ones when necesarry |
| 19:22:10 | benmeyer | kergoth: that is what I mean |
| 19:22:18 | kergoth | ah |
| 19:22:19 | kergoth | cool |
| 19:22:21 | benmeyer | ftp is a little bit more work then a package manager |
| 19:22:30 | benmeyer | and backup tool |
| 19:22:32 | kergoth | yep |
| 19:22:36 | benmeyer | speaking of |
| 19:22:38 | warmi | definately .. I hope sharp is not going to drop all these Qtopia 1.5 based apps and start from scratch with OPIE or QTopia based on Qt 3 |
| 19:22:46 | kergoth | holy christ building glibc in cygwin on this old ass box is going to take a longgg time |
| 19:22:48 | mark | benmeyer: are you writing the package manager now? |
| 19:22:50 | benmeyer | how what should the backup tool for opie do? |
| 19:22:55 | benmeyer | mark: yup almost done |
| 19:23:06 | benmeyer | just moving it to a non-blocking thread system |
| 19:23:21 | mark | benmeyer: ah okay, thought treke was doing it? |
| 19:23:36 | benmeyer | the opgk or something? |
| 19:23:38 | warmi | kergoth: are you hoping to do just crosscompiling on your WIndows or trying to get Qtopia x86 and entire qvfb based enviroment working there ? |
| 19:23:46 | mark | benmeyer: yeh, different thing? |
| 19:23:55 | kergoth | warmi: for the moment, crosscompilation. |
| 19:23:56 | benmeyer | yah he was, but it was such a simply app that it was faster for me to write it myself then fix/finish his |
| 19:24:07 | kergoth | warmi: Ive never played with X on cygwin before, so thats a ways off. heh |
| 19:24:16 | mark | benmeyer: heh, i started doing the same, got bored though heh |
| 19:24:20 | warmi | kergoth: you would be a hero for many .. many folsk if you managed to get Qtopia x86 dev running under WIndows |
| 19:24:22 | warmi | heheh |
| 19:24:31 | warmi | but I understand Trolls are working on something like that |
| 19:24:35 | mark | warmi: kergoth's always a hero :) |
| 19:24:38 | kergoth | I'll work on it if this damn glibc build ever finishes |
| 19:24:40 | kergoth | mark: haha |
| 19:24:41 | benmeyer | mark: you wrote a package manager? |
| 19:24:51 | mark | benmeyer: i started, stopped after about an hour |
| 19:24:55 | warmi | hahah |
| 19:25:08 | benmeyer | ah, yah I have spent ~2 days on it |
| 19:25:14 | benmeyer | wed, thur, and today |
| 19:25:19 | warmi | I thought there was already c version of such in OPIE |
| 19:25:19 | mark | benmeyer: thats 3 :) |
| 19:25:35 | benmeyer | well minus other sharp duties only makes 2 |
| 19:26:23 | mark | is away: super |
| 19:26:25 | warmi | benmayer; do you already have a concepf for how is your package manager going to work as far as GUI part is concerned ? |
| 19:26:40 | benmeyer | warmi: it works and it done |
| 19:26:48 | warmi | already ? |
| 19:26:50 | benmeyer | it is |
| 19:26:50 | warmi | hehe |
| 19:26:51 | benmeyer | yah |
| 19:27:02 | Twiun | rehi |
| 19:27:09 | whardier | spanks Twiun |
| 19:27:13 | benmeyer | The only feature I havn't added is color coding for the catagories |
| 19:27:20 | benmeyer | Twiun: how goes my packages? |
| 19:27:30 | treke | there any chance it'll be released under a license that opie could use? |
| 19:27:37 | benmeyer | me? |
| 19:27:45 | treke | benmeyer : yeah. that was meant for you |
| 19:27:47 | benmeyer | yah, dual license lgpl and sharp |
| 19:27:53 | treke | scweeeet |
| 19:27:55 | benmeyer | i.e. opie can use it |
| 19:28:12 | benmeyer | sorry treke: looked like too much work to finish yours |
| 19:28:21 | treke | I never wrote one |
| 19:28:21 | benmeyer | treke: take a look at the kprocess class |
| 19:28:24 | benmeyer | oh? |
| 19:28:28 | treke | nope |
| 19:28:30 | benmeyer | didn't you write opikg? |
| 19:28:36 | | benmeyer: huh? |
| 19:28:36 | benmeyer | ibot opikg |
| 19:28:41 | | benmeyer: sorry... |
| 19:28:41 | benmeyer | ibot opkg |
| 19:28:43 | treke | Nah. I was just pointing it out in case you hadn't seen it |
| 19:28:45 | | benmeyer: excuse me? |
| 19:28:45 | benmeyer | ibot oipk |
| 19:28:48 | | oipkg is at http://spinne.chemie.unibas.ch/~vogtp/opie/oipkg/ or Opie Projects advanced gui ipkg installer |
| 19:28:48 | benmeyer | ibot oipkg |
| 19:29:09 | Twiun | benmeyer: working on them... finished your debate with larry about categories and things? |
| 19:29:47 | benmeyer | na, not really a debate, going to respond to his e-mail to add better discriptions to the catigories |
| 19:30:06 | benmeyer | Twiun: actually can you write a script to change the catigory of an ipk? |
| 19:30:08 | whardier | is listening to TranceGlobalNation2 |
| 19:30:14 | whardier | anybody got a better rip of this |
| 19:30:16 | whardier | my CD is fucked |
| 19:30:18 | kergoth | tille wrote oipkg |
| 19:30:24 | Twiun | benmeyer: erm... nope... That's pretty much beyond me |
| 19:30:25 | benmeyer | tar -xzOf %1 ./control.tar.gz | tar xzOf - ./control | sed ... etc |
| 19:30:38 | kergoth | i love tar's -O flag |
| 19:30:47 | whardier | overwrite? |
| 19:30:53 | kergoth | output to stdout |
| 19:30:56 | whardier | oh |
| 19:30:56 | whardier | haha |
| 19:30:57 | kergoth | useful for piping |
| 19:31:03 | whardier | pipes a lot |
| 19:31:09 | kergoth | i believe it |
| 19:31:10 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:31:12 | benmeyer | actually you would have to do a full tar -x and then repackage |
| 19:31:14 | whardier | damnit.. where is my lighter |
| 19:31:22 | benmeyer | unless someone knows how to replace a file in a tar file? |
| 19:31:30 | kergoth | nope, i dont know that myself |
| 19:31:35 | warmi | whardier: I quit piping about one year ago |
| 19:31:40 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:31:59 | benmeyer | http://www.csh.rit.edu/~benjamin/desktop/programs/mp3Librarian/ |
| 19:32:01 | Twiun | What'll I do ben is structure my system so that they'll be easier to change (on my end) once you decide ;-) |
| 19:32:04 | benmeyer | forget piping see that |
| 19:32:05 | benmeyer | hehe |
| 19:32:08 | whardier | hahahaha |
| 19:32:10 | whardier | oops |
| 19:32:14 | warmi | ( I am mentioning this just to increase that ever present sens of guilt in whardier) |
| 19:32:53 | warmi | I just told myself .. once I am old enough that keeping myself healty won't matter anymore much I am going back to smoking |
| 19:34:34 | warmi | . |
| 19:41:20 | benmeyer | can someone else name a utility |
| 19:41:30 | benmeyer | for the z |
| 19:41:37 | whardier | gaydar |
| 19:41:59 | treke | stash |
| 19:42:10 | warmi | stash ? |
| 19:42:16 | whardier | a "how much to tip your drug dealer converter" |
| 19:42:16 | benmeyer | money manager right? |
| 19:42:29 | treke | yup |
| 19:42:35 | whardier | I know |
| 19:42:36 | whardier | X! |
| 19:42:43 | whardier | runs around in circles |
| 19:42:46 | whardier | XXX |
| 19:42:47 | whardier | XXX |
| 19:42:48 | whardier | XXX |
| 19:42:54 | whardier | X00 |
| 19:42:55 | whardier | 0X0 |
| 19:42:56 | whardier | 00X |
| 19:42:58 | whardier | I WIN! |
| 19:43:03 | warmi | hehe |
| 19:43:10 | Neo|Work | actually, I think we should skip categories all together. just remove the tabs. Millions of Windows desktop users can't be wrong! |
| 19:43:16 | whardier | just ate some awfull food |
| 19:43:18 | whardier | I made it myself |
| 19:43:19 | whardier | it was.. awfull |
| 19:43:25 | CloudChaser | haha |
| 19:43:31 | benmeyer | Neo|Work I agree, but unfortunettly we need to start somewhere |
| 19:43:41 | ljp_ | is drinking odwalla "Superfood" thats green |
| 19:43:56 | whardier | good lord |
| 19:44:07 | whardier | I thought you said Odeuls |
| 19:44:12 | whardier | or howeveer yous pell that |
| 19:44:26 | Neo|Work | benmeyer: I was definitely NOT serious! |
| 19:44:34 | warmi | Neo|Work: and rely only on "Start" menu ? |
| 19:44:39 | warmi | oh ... |
| 19:44:40 | warmi | hehe |
| 19:44:45 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:45:17 | Neo|Work | Subject: (Adult) Eatme, Juicy ripe P*ssy for you. |
| 19:45:28 | Neo|Work | why would they even bother "censoring" that subject? I mean, does it help? |
| 19:45:31 | Neo|Work | spam is dumb |
| 19:45:33 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:45:45 | whardier | www.spamradio.com |
| 19:45:47 | whardier | spam got dumber |
| 19:46:29 | benmeyer | I don't want a start menu either |
| 19:46:31 | Neo|Work | so anyone knows a good place to find cheapish 3rd party laptop batteries? |
| 19:46:38 | benmeyer | I don't thinkt the apps should define where they belong |
| 19:46:41 | benmeyer | the users should |
| 19:46:47 | warmi | start menu doesn't work all that well on a small screen like Z |
| 19:46:47 | Neo|Work | this laptop would be a lot more useful if its batteries lasted more than 15 minutes |
| 19:46:54 | Neo|Work | benmeyer: exactly so |
| 19:46:57 | warmi | it gets too large too quickly |
| 19:47:06 | Neo|Work | TT doesn't seem to think that's a "valid" idea though |
| 19:47:20 | benmeyer | no, tt is confusing the issues |
| 19:47:20 | Neo|Work | Because that's not how MacOS does it! |
| 19:47:35 | treke | benmeyer : I wouldnt mind the apps specifying where to initially go, but it should be easy to move them without breaking uninstalls |
| 19:47:47 | ljp_ | you have a better idea than an app menu? |
| 19:48:09 | benmeyer | treke: yup |
| 19:48:13 | Neo|Work | the number one thing I miss from the palm in regards to the launcher: lack of (standard) categorizing and lack of ability to use "list" mode rather than "iron mode" (i.e smaller icons with the text to the right of the icon) |
| 19:48:20 | benmeyer | but to start we need a good standard to choose from |
| 19:48:34 | benmeyer | Neo|Work working on both of them |
| 19:48:45 | Neo|Work | standard _user_decided_ categorizing I should say |
| 19:49:14 | treke | benmeyer : The current apps/games/system breakdown doesnt seem to bad for a default |
| 19:49:28 | Neo|Work | I agree that it's a good default |
| 19:49:42 | Neo|Work | and I should add that PalmOS works perfectly well WITHOUT default categories |
| 19:49:58 | Neo|Work | it doesn't have the concept of categories on an application level |
| 19:50:09 | Neo|Work | which is perfectly fine for user friendlyness |
| 19:50:12 | Neo|Work | _I_ decide. :) |
| 19:50:17 | warmi | Neo|Work: so how do the apps are stored ? in random order ? |
| 19:50:25 | benmeyer | treke: you havn't played with everyone on the feed have you :-D |
| 19:50:48 | treke | well I do have a lot of stuff installed :) |
| 19:50:52 | benmeyer | every*thing* |
| 19:51:19 | kergoth | Could always use the debian style alternatives system for adding apps to a menu system |
| 19:51:24 | kergoth | use that for the launcher |
| 19:51:30 | whardier | escapes hells runners <- shane russell spencer |
| 19:51:33 | whardier | anagrams are cool |
| 19:51:34 | treke | benmeyer : not everything, but I have filled my 32mb flashrom without documents :) |
| 19:51:44 | whardier | captain gravestone <-netscape communicator |
| 19:52:24 | warmi | treke: I just heard someone here complaining that most of the apps won't even install on anything else but RAM and you are saying you have 32 MBs of it there |
| 19:52:25 | warmi | hehe |
| 19:52:53 | treke | warmi : Ipaq. Installing things in flash. not compactflash or ram :) |
| 19:53:14 | warmi | oh |
| 19:53:15 | warmi | ok |
| 19:53:31 | warmi | yeah, now I see .. flash ROm |
| 19:53:48 | Neo|Work | warmi: on PalmOS? Apps are displayed, per default, in alphabetical order icon form in the "general" category |
| 19:54:13 | Neo|Work | and then the user can move the apps to other categories and also change view to use various list views (columns differ) |
| 19:54:18 | Neo|Work | num columns I should say |
| 19:54:19 | kergoth | the launcher really needs to be able to display icons in 'list' form |
| 19:54:28 | kergoth | yeh different views |
| 19:54:34 | kergoth | thatd be nice |
| 19:54:39 | warmi | well, personally, I would at least like to see some separation between default ( system, utils, contols apps) and 3rd party apps |
| 19:55:09 | treke | is the launcher semi easy to replace in qtopia or is the system pretty tightly bound to it? |
| 19:55:22 | ljp_ | qpe IS the laucher |
| 19:55:36 | warmi | so you can quickly find "look & feel " applet or such ... without going thru potentially tens of apps looking for it |
| 19:56:00 | treke | ljp_: I guess it's pretty tightly bound then :) |
| 19:56:16 | warmi | Qtopia has a class for that |
| 19:56:16 | ljp_ | :D |
| 19:56:28 | gecko_x2 | damn OZ won't flash |
| 19:56:30 | warmi | but it is hardcoded in the sense that you can't substitute another launcher for it |
| 19:56:45 | gecko_x2 | how can i make sure the file are in the root of CF |
| 19:57:03 | treke | Thats one thing I liked about the palm, you could substitute another launcher without major surgery |
| 19:57:06 | gecko_x2 | the OZ flash images |
| 19:57:12 | kergoth | gecko_x2: ls? |
| 19:57:38 | gecko_x2 | kergoth well /var/mnt/cf places the file in different dirs? |
| 19:57:40 | kergoth | You could replace the launcher.. but you'd have to implement certain functionality so as not to break things |
| 19:57:42 | warmi | that's why I hope in Qtopia 3 they managed to modularize evertyhing ( say themes , launcher etc ) .. they have support for dynamically loaded C++ pluggins in Qt 3 .. that should be easy |
| 19:57:45 | kergoth | gecko_x2: huh? |
| 19:57:52 | gecko_x2 | ls what? |
| 19:58:09 | kergoth | gecko_x2: wherever you mounted the CF |
| 19:58:11 | warmi | hehe |
| 19:58:20 | kergoth | gecko_x2: /mnt/cf/ by default |
| 19:58:24 | whardier | I have a gecko |
| 19:58:25 | gecko_x2 | well where does qtopia mount them?? |
| 19:58:26 | whardier | made by HP |
| 19:58:31 | whardier | its old |
| 19:58:33 | kergoth | gecko_x2: qtopia doesnt mount them |
| 19:58:33 | treke | decides to stay away from binary only apps so he can move to qtopia 3 easier |
| 19:58:40 | gecko_x2 | whatever |
| 19:58:52 | Neo|Work | treke: but, but... :-) |
| 19:58:57 | kergoth | like i said, default is /mnt/cf |
| 19:59:05 | ljp_ | treke: there's an opie available that compiles with qte3 |
| 19:59:15 | warmi | treke: if they are smart they will provide binary compatibility for Qtopia 1.5 apps |
| 19:59:21 | gecko_x2 | i need to install the terminal again.. i flashed but nothing happened.. |
| 19:59:56 | kergoth | gecko_x2: the two lights just flashed and went out? |
| 20:00:00 | gecko_x2 | yes |
| 20:00:14 | gecko_x2 | stayed on for a few seconds |
| 20:00:21 | warmi | Neo|Work: that was not so subtle hint from treo for you to release source code for Eligo |
| 20:00:23 | warmi | heeh |
| 20:00:40 | treke | hehe |
| 20:01:01 | Neo|Work | I can't guarantee that it will or will not happen but anything is possible at some point |
| 20:01:07 | Neo|Work | how's sales on puzz'le? |
| 20:01:15 | treke | nah, I want Neo|Work to keep makin money off his games :) If it keeps him working on SDL its a fair trade |
| 20:01:23 | warmi | let's just say I am going to keep my day job for now |
| 20:01:26 | warmi | heh |
| 20:01:41 | gecko_x2 | ahh the files are in subfolders of /mnt/cf - is that the prob? |
| 20:01:42 | Neo|Work | warmi: no shit? :-) |
| 20:01:58 | warmi | frankly, not that I don't like my job .. I love it |
| 20:02:03 | warmi | so I will stick with it |
| 20:02:35 | warmi | during "downtime" I get to code my own stuff |
| 20:02:49 | warmi | otherwise I get to code "cool" Java apps |
| 20:02:51 | warmi | hehe |
| 20:02:58 | Neo|Work | If I could econimically work from home doing things I love doing, I'd take it over just about any job |
| 20:03:10 | kergoth | gecko_x2: the files must be named properly and in the root of the CF, as per the documentation. in other words, they must be in /mnt/cf directly, not in subdirs |
| 20:03:12 | Neo|Work | or let me put it this way, so far I haven't had a job which I would prefer over that |
| 20:03:20 | warmi | yeah, switch to PocketPC and Palm and your dream will come true |
| 20:03:22 | warmi | hehe |
| 20:03:41 | Neo|Work | too bad Palm is a nightmare to develop for |
| 20:03:41 | warmi | there are millions of PPC and Palm users out there |
| 20:03:47 | Neo|Work | it kind of loses on the "fun part". |
| 20:03:52 | warmi | but then again ... |
| 20:04:05 | warmi | who knows .. maybe Sharp will end up being the next big things |
| 20:04:07 | warmi | thing |
| 20:04:09 | Neo|Work | PPC is less painful in terms of capabilities but... wnidows... |
| 20:04:28 | warmi | yeah , oyu are right . |
| 20:04:52 | Neo|Work | but obviously I'm aware of where the "biggest chunk" of handled game income lies |
| 20:04:53 | gecko_x2 | kergoth that was the prob.. didn't know they were in /mnt/cf so i assumed they are in root.. trying again |
| 20:04:53 | warmi | I love coding for Qt |
| 20:04:58 | warmi | I am doing this for fun |
| 20:05:02 | Com[Plex] | hey kergoth, what would it take for me to bribe you to make that scummVm port for qpe? :> |
| 20:05:07 | Neo|Work | BUT (!) the smaller Zaurus market has one big benefit |
| 20:05:19 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: make the earth day 36 hours instead of 24 |
| 20:05:27 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: :-P |
| 20:05:30 | Com[Plex] | :< |
| 20:05:30 | Neo|Work | less existing games there |
| 20:05:34 | warmi | heeh |
| 20:05:40 | warmi | no competition ha ?? |
| 20:05:45 | Neo|Work | meaning average to good games have a higher chance of being successful in terms of the market size |
| 20:06:00 | Neo|Work | of course, the market size also means it's about saturated in say... a few months. :P |
| 20:06:15 | warmi | yeah, but the market ( at this point) is just too small to even support supperb or revolutionary games |
| 20:06:25 | warmi | not only average to good |
| 20:06:26 | warmi | hehe |
| 20:06:53 | treke | ah now you went and hurt Neo|Work's feelings |
| 20:07:02 | warmi | but I have a feeling you are doing this for fun |
| 20:07:08 | whardier | runs off for a nap with the kitties |
| 20:07:10 | whardier | WOOWOOO! |
| 20:07:10 | warmi | at least that is half of the reason |
| 20:07:22 | warmi | hehe |
| 20:07:24 | Com[Plex] | mann.. "Zero" is a Damned good candybar.. |
| 20:07:51 | warmi | treke: by revolutionary I mean something that would seel in millions of copies if it was available for PC |
| 20:07:54 | Nadav | anyone heard anything about the tiqit handheld? |
| 20:08:04 | gecko_x2 | here the lights are staying on :) |
| 20:08:06 | treke | tiqit |
| 20:08:07 | gecko_x2 | there |
| 20:08:20 | gecko_x2 | thx a million kergoth :) |
| 20:08:21 | treke | warmi : and by hurt his feelings I meant laugh, I'm trying to be funny |
| 20:08:30 | warmi | matchbox PC |
| 20:08:39 | warmi | treke: I know |
| 20:08:41 | warmi | hehe |
| 20:08:42 | kergoth | gecko_x2: np :-) |
| 20:08:58 | treke | Hyperspace Delivery Boy! |
| 20:08:58 | Nadav | nah, the tiqit eightythree not the matchbox pc |
| 20:09:07 | Neo|Work | warmi: Oh, I know. |
| 20:09:31 | treke | good gahd |
| 20:09:44 | Neo|Work | treke: been considering contacting them but... don't know if I'd really want to |
| 20:09:45 | warmi | Nadav: I can't find out what kind of OS is this running .. do you know ? |
| 20:10:01 | treke | warmi : looks like its supposed to be xp |
| 20:10:12 | Neo|Work | working with one ex-ID employee might be enough. :P |
| 20:10:12 | warmi | a full blown XP ? |
| 20:10:12 | treke | It runs any enterprise standard operating system (OS) - Windows, Linux or UNIX |
| 20:10:32 | treke | warmi : yes. The idea is that it runs your standard desktop software |
| 20:10:34 | warmi | yeah, but what does it run by default ? or is this even a consumer device ? |
| 20:10:44 | Nadav | it hasn't been released yet |
| 20:10:50 | Nadav | looks sweet though |
| 20:10:53 | kergoth | got a url? |
| 20:11:01 | treke | http://www.tiqit.com |
| 20:11:02 | warmi | http://www.tiqit.com/mpc/mpcspecifications.html |
| 20:11:12 | warmi | it is like a mini PC |
| 20:11:16 | gecko_x2 | WOOHOO cool bootimage :) |
| 20:11:18 | warmi | but it has only 256 colors |
| 20:11:21 | warmi | that sucks |
| 20:11:24 | treke | http://pages.sbcglobal.net/tiqit83/bigimages/9.jpg |
| 20:11:29 | Nadav | only 256? eek |
| 20:11:40 | Nadav | never noticed that |
| 20:11:41 | Nadav | heh |
| 20:11:42 | kergoth | ack, look at the processor |
| 20:11:49 | warmi | SVGA Resolution (800x600), 256 colors |
| 20:11:55 | warmi | XVGA Resolution (1024x768), 16 colors |
| 20:11:57 | warmi | that's all |
| 20:12:00 | Nadav | http://www.infosatellite.com/news/2002/04/a080402zaurus_review.html |
| 20:12:02 | Nadav | hm! |
| 20:12:04 | benmeyer | That is FAT |
| 20:12:14 | benmeyer | as in 1" deep |
| 20:12:21 | treke | It looks like you decide what to run on it. |
| 20:12:36 | Nadav | i'd be glad to beta test |
| 20:12:36 | Nadav | ;) |
| 20:12:49 | kergoth | warmi: its 18bit color |
| 20:13:04 | kergoth | that does look like a nifty little device |
| 20:13:09 | warmi | crap: infosatellite basically points to that infamous WSJ review |
| 20:13:14 | Neo|Work | one thing that would make a pda really awesome would be nice, good, fast-enough internal storage, like amicrodrive type device |
| 20:13:43 | kergoth | microdrive doesnt qualify as 'fast enough' imo |
| 20:13:44 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:13:47 | treke | either 800x600 with 256 colors or 1024x768 with 16 colors. |
| 20:13:56 | treke | wait. Thats the matchbox pc |
| 20:14:00 | kergoth | yep |
| 20:14:04 | kergoth | go to the eightythree |
| 20:14:21 | treke | the eightythre is 640x480 @ 18bit |
| 20:14:24 | kergoth | yep |
| 20:14:28 | benmeyer | 5.6" x 4.2" x 1.6" |
| 20:14:40 | benmeyer | way too big |
| 20:14:42 | Neo|Work | kergoth: ergo microdrive _type_ device |
| 20:14:51 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:14:59 | warmi | 300MHz National Geode << wtf is that ? |
| 20:15:04 | kergoth | good question |
| 20:15:08 | treke | benmeyer : Doesnt seem that big. Its not meant to be a pda |
| 20:15:19 | benmeyer | yah |
| 20:15:30 | benmeyer | but it isn't no webpad |
| 20:15:36 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:15:42 | benmeyer | if you want something that big you want a webpad |
| 20:15:44 | warmi | it looks rather strange for a mini-laptop |
| 20:15:47 | benmeyer | it is inbetween the wo |
| 20:15:52 | benmeyer | it is the no-man lang |
| 20:15:53 | benmeyer | land |
| 20:15:58 | warmi | I am pretty sure they are aiming for hihg-end pda market |
| 20:16:02 | CloudChaser | i like the looks of that |
| 20:16:10 | benmeyer | get a medical webpad |
| 20:16:23 | Nadav | is the battery life of the 5500 any better than the 5000D btw? |
| 20:16:27 | benmeyer | 1/4" thick, 1024x768 touch screen, everything that has |
| 20:16:35 | warmi | but running XP on 300 Mhz Cpu .. that's pushing it |
| 20:16:43 | Nadav | i'd run 2k |
| 20:16:44 | CloudChaser | well i wouldn't like xp |
| 20:16:48 | CloudChaser | i'd run linux;) |
| 20:16:51 | Nadav | yeah |
| 20:16:58 | Nadav | i would too, but if i had to run windows |
| 20:17:02 | Nadav | i'd run 2k rather than xp |
| 20:17:03 | Nadav | anyday ;) |
| 20:17:03 | Neo|Work | even at that it's not amazing |
| 20:17:06 | warmi | Xp is ok .. but you have to feed that beast at least something around 800 Mhz or so |
| 20:17:15 | CloudChaser | i won't use xp |
| 20:17:17 | CloudChaser | ever |
| 20:17:21 | kergoth | xp is nice, but its a huge memory hog |
| 20:17:24 | kergoth | more so than cpu even |
| 20:17:29 | Neo|Work | for a Windows, XP is about as good as I've seen it |
| 20:17:41 | Neo|Work | if you have the computer to run it naturally |
| 20:17:44 | warmi | I don't like XP because of MS stupid licensing crap |
| 20:17:45 | kergoth | XP's UI is quite nice, once you get used to it, imho |
| 20:17:54 | warmi | it will be a cold day in hell I pay for Windows license |
| 20:18:04 | Neo|Work | warmi: well, true... :) |
| 20:18:05 | warmi | and Xp has all kinds of stuff to piss people like me off |
| 20:18:14 | warmi | so ... I don';t like it |
| 20:18:18 | warmi | makes sense ha ? |
| 20:18:20 | warmi | heheh |
| 20:18:21 | kergoth | warmi: thankfully you can turn just about every annoying feature off |
| 20:18:22 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:18:37 | treke | except one |
| 20:18:45 | treke | the feature of being windows |
| 20:18:51 | warmi | I actually like XP default new look |
| 20:19:01 | warmi | the one that tkc is using |
| 20:19:01 | kergoth | treke: hehe |
| 20:19:16 | CloudChaser | notice it doesn't say anything about battery life or that tiqit |
| 20:19:18 | warmi | but then again .. all this crap jsut to get that look |
| 20:19:26 | Nadav | CloudChaser it said 4 hours somewhere |
| 20:19:35 | CloudChaser | ah i didn't see that |
| 20:19:35 | Nadav | • Power: Internal lithium-ion battery, 4 hrs under normal use |
| 20:19:36 | warmi | "Price: Laptop range " |
| 20:19:38 | Nadav | in specs |
| 20:19:46 | CloudChaser | ist hat with the backlight off and no cards in it? *grins* |
| 20:19:51 | CloudChaser | they said the z would get 10 hours |
| 20:19:53 | warmi | that does it ... why pay for crap like that when I can have real small sony laptop ? |
| 20:20:21 | ljp_ | cause you cant put a laptop in your poacket |
| 20:20:24 | kergoth | yeh i wouldnt buy it myself |
| 20:20:35 | kergoth | ljp_: i dont have any pockets big enough to fit that beast either |
| 20:20:36 | CloudChaser | i'd love to have one of those little sony's |
| 20:20:39 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:20:43 | CloudChaser | out of my price range though :( |
| 20:20:47 | kergoth | me too |
| 20:20:53 | warmi | well but then again .. I don't need that kind of complicated device for my pocket needs |
| 20:21:13 | Nadav | lol |
| 20:21:16 | treke | I could see something like this replacing say an old libretto |
| 20:21:17 | warmi | CloudChaser: yeah .... I love their VAIO line |
| 20:21:21 | CloudChaser | ooh |
| 20:21:31 | CloudChaser | librettos are nice too |
| 20:21:55 | CloudChaser | fujitsu has a nice small one too that costs less than the sony |
| 20:21:59 | warmi | but this stuff is just too expensive ... I mean toys are cool but my wife can only handle so much .. |
| 20:22:00 | warmi | hehe |
| 20:22:07 | CloudChaser | haha same with my husband |
| 20:22:13 | treke | is glad he is single |
| 20:22:16 | CloudChaser | i'm surprised he didn't give me a hard time about the z |
| 20:22:16 | Nadav | warmi: good thing i'm not married ;) |
| 20:22:26 | ljp_ | all I want is to get home from work |
| 20:23:09 | Nadav | i'm probably gonna finially get a Z really soon |
| 20:24:08 | ljp_ | still thinking of getting a tux screen for opie usage |
| 20:24:51 | kergoth | me too |
| 20:25:04 | kergoth | other uses too.. i want one in my kitchen as a recipe box.. |
| 20:25:07 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:25:14 | kergoth | so little ram in those things tho |
| 20:25:30 | Nadav | heh |
| 20:25:52 | ljp_ | I think I _may_ update my firewall so I can run teambuilder on it |
| 20:26:01 | kergoth | whats teambuilder? |
| 20:26:18 | kergoth | i switched my 2.5.18-rmk1 kernel tree to bitkeeper yesterday. nifty. |
| 20:26:34 | ljp_ | http://www.trolltech.com/products/teambuilder/ |
| 20:26:42 | ljp_ | distributed compiling |
| 20:27:08 | ljp_ | there's a personal edition in ftp |
| 20:27:18 | benmeyer | oh? |
| 20:27:26 | benmeyer | didnt' know there was a personal edition |
| 20:27:34 | benmeyer | has wild ideas |
| 20:27:40 | kergoth | nifty |
| 20:27:45 | kergoth | i should play with that |
| 20:27:56 | benmeyer | definatly would be usefull |
| 20:28:04 | benmeyer | for building stuff such as qt |
| 20:28:06 | benmeyer | opie |
| 20:28:12 | benmeyer | or any large package |
| 20:28:14 | ljp_ | I think the german opie guys are all over that |
| 20:28:59 | ljp_ | ya that looks very useful, but you need the same OS, and same gcc versions |
| 20:30:08 | benmeyer | hmm |
| 20:30:19 | benmeyer | all my servers run red hat 6.2 |
| 20:30:31 | benmeyer | but any production box runs everythign else |
| 20:30:39 | warmi | what's the point of personal edition if the main strenght of the product is in distributed compilation .. |
| 20:30:40 | warmi | hehe |
| 20:30:49 | benmeyer | debian, mandrake, red hat 7.x, home brew goop, etc. |
| 20:31:11 | warmi | treke : are you around ? |
| 20:31:11 | benmeyer | wonder if sourceforge could utilize it |
| 20:31:17 | benmeyer | show it as an example |
| 20:34:29 | ljp_ | personal license limits to no more than 3 boxes |
| 20:35:40 | kergoth | heh. reading the notes on it gives one an idea.. it requires a version of make that can spawn of multiple simultanious processes.. |
| 20:35:52 | ljp_ | essshhh. I'd have to install gcc on my firewall |
| 20:36:00 | kergoth | you could make a system that uses nfs or smb for the source tree, and calls out ssh to run the submakes.. |
| 20:36:02 | kergoth | eheh |
| 20:36:12 | ljp_ | hmm |
| 20:36:26 | treke | warmi : I am |
| 20:36:54 | benmeyer | when using ipkg -d do you have to go in and add symlinks? |
| 20:37:01 | kergoth | yep |
| 20:37:04 | benmeyer | how odd |
| 20:37:10 | kergoth | ipkg -d installs there, doesnt link to the root dest |
| 20:37:12 | benmeyer | thinks of writing a script to do that |
| 20:37:27 | kergoth | both qipkg from qpe cvs and oipkg from opie cvs do symlinkc reation atm |
| 20:37:29 | benmeyer | parse the list file and simply do a ln -s with each line |
| 20:37:35 | kergoth | thats all they do |
| 20:37:36 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:37:38 | benmeyer | reation? |
| 20:37:51 | kergoth | s/symlinkc reation/symlink creation/ |
| 20:37:52 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:37:57 | benmeyer | ah |
| 20:38:09 | benmeyer | though you ment rotation which really made no sense :-D |
| 20:38:23 | benmeyer | ok, well I will add that on Monday |
| 20:38:31 | benmeyer | bla didn't get much done on the package manager today |
| 20:38:35 | benmeyer | been to busy on other things |
| 20:39:04 | ljp_ | thinks about using those spare German opie cycles to compile for him |
| 20:39:50 | treke | maybe if you ran it on every linux box in germany, you'd be able to compile kde in a day |
| 20:39:56 | benmeyer | haha |
| 20:40:03 | warmi | treke: sorry .... I saw you mentioning something about problems with German Sharp dev division .. |
| 20:40:05 | ljp_ | too funny |
| 20:40:05 | benmeyer | what does it cost? |
| 20:40:09 | warmi | what was that about ? |
| 20:40:22 | treke | warmi : dont think so |
| 20:40:43 | ljp_ | price of teambuilder? 5 boxes for $750 |
| 20:41:12 | benmeyer | oh |
| 20:41:27 | ljp_ | but the personal edition allows for 3 boxes |
| 20:41:29 | mark | what exactly is teambuilder? |
| 20:41:33 | mark | clustering? |
| 20:41:35 | ljp_ | http://www.trolltech.com/products/teambuilder/ |
| 20:41:48 | kergoth | not clustering, distributed compiling |
| 20:41:48 | treke | thought the teambuilder add was cute |
| 20:41:51 | kergoth | still nifty |
| 20:41:51 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:42:17 | treke | http://www.trolltech.com/images/ban/teambuilder.gif |
| 20:42:26 | mark | kergoth: oh right, so different gcc's will be running on different systems? |
| 20:43:00 | kergoth | mark: yep. like make -j only the submakes run on remote boxes |
| 20:43:30 | mark | ah thats neat, much better than mosix clustering where most of the gcc's didn't get transfered to other systems |
| 20:44:10 | mark | well not _better_, but better suited to compiling |
| 20:44:17 | kergoth | yeh, they both have their uses |
| 20:44:47 | warmi | kergoth: do you have any Windows machines at home ? |
| 20:44:49 | ljp_ | oohh. I thought they all needed the same gcc... hmm great |
| 20:46:23 | kergoth | warmi: yep, my primary desktop is a xp box |
| 20:46:42 | kergoth | warmi: for gaming reasons. hehh |
| 20:46:45 | mark | kergoth: just for games I hope :) |
| 20:46:46 | benmeyer | #!/bin/sh |
| 20:46:46 | benmeyer | app=$1 |
| 20:46:46 | benmeyer | location=$2 |
| 20:46:46 | benmeyer | root=$3 |
| 20:46:46 | benmeyer | for file in `cat app`; do |
| 20:46:46 | benmeyer | ln -s $location/$file root/$file |
| 20:46:48 | benmeyer | done |
| 20:46:50 | benmeyer | how about that? |
| 20:47:18 | kergoth | what a hack ;-) |
| 20:47:24 | mark | kergoth: heh |
| 20:47:25 | kergoth | you may want to set file to something |
| 20:47:36 | kergoth | er |
| 20:47:40 | kergoth | i should read |
| 20:47:44 | kergoth | long day |
| 20:47:45 | warmi | yeah, same with me .. except I run Win2000 mostly to be able to play my favourite game Age Of Kings |
| 20:47:59 | kergoth | hehe. nice.. i havent played that in a while |
| 20:49:21 | warmi | I play that all the time .. it has been 2 years now and I still like it |
| 20:49:34 | kergoth | i am SO glad its friday |
| 20:49:50 | mark | wonders when wineX will support force feedback so he can play his driving games |
| 20:49:51 | treke | wishes it was friday evening and not just friday |
| 20:49:56 | kergoth | i should install it.. dont have much for games installed atm. just dungeonsiege and emporer: battle for dune |
| 20:49:59 | mark | treke: but it is :) |
| 20:50:05 | treke | mark : bleh |
| 20:50:08 | kergoth | im stuck here for 2 more hours |
| 20:50:09 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:50:12 | warmi | I used to go to lan parties where there would be 5 or 6 of us playing whole day |
| 20:50:24 | kergoth | yah i miss lan parties. i havent had one in a couple years |
| 20:50:29 | treke | hasnt been missing games now thathe bought a ps2 |
| 20:50:32 | benmeyer | yah, damm internet |
| 20:50:32 | benmeyer | haha |
| 20:50:35 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:50:49 | kergoth | i should buy a console now that the prices dropped |
| 20:50:53 | benmeyer | back in the day (97) I remember having lan parties |
| 20:50:54 | mark | has no geek friends to have lan parties wi th |
| 20:50:59 | ljp_ | bbiab |
| 20:51:12 | benmeyer | but then net speed and cable modem came around |
| 20:51:13 | benmeyer | hehe |
| 20:51:16 | kergoth | yep.. |
| 20:51:19 | kergoth | i miss it |
| 20:51:25 | warmi | I used to play Age of Kings with 6-7 people whole day ... great lan parties |
| 20:51:32 | benmeyer | half the fun of lan parties was swaping all fo the junk that you had been saving for weeks |
| 20:51:34 | kergoth | theres something to it. caffeine, junk food, throwing insults around |
| 20:51:40 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:51:46 | kergoth | i remember at least 3 people had to reinstall windows |
| 20:51:48 | kergoth | every damned time |
| 20:51:51 | benmeyer | course |
| 20:51:58 | benmeyer | and 2 hours before the network would work |
| 20:52:01 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:52:07 | kergoth | yep.. couldnt start playing till 2am |
| 20:52:13 | benmeyer | I remember one time we were short 1 new cable |
| 20:52:14 | treke | sounds like me |
| 20:52:26 | treke | I generally forget to install windows untill I get there :) |
| 20:52:32 | benmeyer | 10pm called up my boss and biked down to the little computer cafe place to "barrow" one |
| 20:52:32 | benmeyer | haha |
| 20:52:41 | heiko_ | hi |
| 20:52:44 | benmeyer | hi |
| 20:52:50 | mark | its the drivers and crap that take the longest with windows installs |
| 20:52:51 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:52:54 | kergoth | yep |
| 20:53:00 | heiko_ | did anybody tried to use the kopi java compiler with the Z? |
| 20:53:02 | kergoth | getting all the games reinstalled.. |
| 20:53:03 | treke | yup |
| 20:53:05 | mark | kergoth: yeah |
| 20:53:12 | mark | heiko_: sorry, this is a windows only channel atm |
| 20:53:16 | kergoth | lol |
| 20:53:20 | treke | And my machines always seem finkcy about drivers/stability |
| 20:53:20 | Nadav | haha |
| 20:53:41 | mark | ide drivers are always the worst |
| 20:53:41 | heiko_ | mark: why windows? What has kopi to do with windows? |
| 20:53:49 | mark | sniggers |
| 20:54:01 | treke | heiko_ : because java apps cant run on windows |
| 20:54:15 | warmi | heheeh |
| 20:54:19 | heiko_ | Thats new to me. |
| 20:54:24 | warmi | people , you are cruel |
| 20:54:27 | warmi | kind |
| 20:54:37 | mark | warmi: heh, yep |
| 20:54:42 | treke | heiko_ : You didnt hear? It was announced today, and applies retroactivly |
| 20:54:56 | heiko_ | oj yes :-) |
| 20:55:04 | heiko_ | quapla? |
| 20:55:06 | warmi | heiko_: you are dealing with bunch of kinds trying to have fun at your cost :-) |
| 20:55:09 | warmi | hehe |
| 20:55:23 | kergoth | not trying, succeeding |
| 20:55:29 | treke | most definitly |
| 20:55:29 | mark | ah god I love irc |
| 20:55:30 | warmi | not anymore |
| 20:55:32 | warmi | hehe |
| 20:55:35 | kergoth | you ruined it |
| 20:55:36 | kergoth | damn you |
| 20:55:38 | kergoth | :-P |
| 20:55:41 | benmeyer | its friday! |
| 20:55:42 | benmeyer | yah |
| 20:55:48 | benmeyer | time to beat traffic |
| 20:55:51 | benmeyer | see you all monday |
| 20:55:54 | mark | c ya benmeyer |
| 20:55:56 | warmi | yeah, that's what I do best .. ruin everything |
| 20:56:03 | kergoth | ttyl, have a good weekend ben |
| 20:56:06 | warmi | bye benmayer |
| 20:56:08 | kergoth | warmi: thanks for the warning |
| 20:56:38 | warmi | heiko_: what is kopi compiler ? |
| 20:56:44 | warmi | is this something free ? |
| 20:58:11 | heiko_ | doule |
| 20:58:23 | mark | kergoth: got cvs sorted |
| 20:58:24 | mark | ? |
| 20:59:05 | warmi | heiko_: whoa .. Kopi works with Swing and JDBC |
| 20:59:11 | warmi | both of which are missing on the zaurus |
| 20:59:44 | heiko_ | yes |
| 20:59:45 | kergoth | mark: yeh, i managed to get shit reverted to premerge state. feel free to test a build from HEAD, because no one has verified that it works again |
| 20:59:57 | warmi | hahaha |
| 21:00:04 | warmi | limbo state |
| 21:00:07 | warmi | we all love that |
| 21:00:09 | warmi | heh |
| 21:00:12 | mark | kergoth: cvs up'ing now, should be done in about an hour |
| 21:00:30 | mark | (the cvs up that is) |
| 21:00:52 | kergoth | mark: hehe. let me know how it goes |
| 21:01:02 | heiko_ | tanks for your great help |
| 21:01:15 | warmi | sorry heiko but there are no Java guys here |
| 21:01:17 | darienm | Good evening. Is there any special 'packaging' required for the Zaurus to run a Java app? In other words, what does the developer need to provide? Is the .jar file enough? |
| 21:01:21 | warmi | only C++ |
| 21:01:39 | warmi | or are there ? |
| 21:01:48 | darienm | No, I'm not. Sorry. |
| 21:02:02 | warmi | I think treke did java |
| 21:02:12 | ljp_work | I've written javascript, does that count? |
| 21:02:13 | kergoth | twuin is the java guy |
| 21:02:27 | mark | harlekin used to be a javaer i think |
| 21:02:35 | treke | is being confused with everybody today |
| 21:02:42 | mark | before he saw the light |
| 21:02:48 | warmi | yeah, sorry treke : that was twiun I was talking about |
| 21:02:48 | heiko_ | darienm: look here: http://more.sbc.co.jp/slj/doc/jeode/jeode_tips.asp |
| 21:02:49 | warmi | heh |
| 21:03:03 | ljp_work | all I want is to get home |
| 21:03:22 | warmi | ljp_work: get rid of that _work then |
| 21:03:44 | mark | first step to being home is thinking your home |
| 21:03:45 | ljp_work | I'm trying |
| 21:03:50 | warmi | heh |
| 21:04:04 | ljp_work | home is where my recording studio is tho.. there's no substitute |
| 21:04:16 | warmi | yeah .... friday afternoon is when most serious failures tend to occur |
| 21:04:22 | mark | ljp_work: heh, what you do? |
| 21:04:33 | ljp_work | http://llornkcor.com |
| 21:04:52 | warmi | you run that place ljp? |
| 21:05:12 | ljp_work | yep.. thats my ugly web site |
| 21:05:49 | ljp_work | opie page is brand new |
| 21:06:03 | warmi | http://llornkcor.com/equip.htm |
| 21:06:06 | warmi | a lot of stuff there |
| 21:06:23 | ljp_work | oh.. heh thats old, there's even more now |
| 21:06:41 | warmi | huh .. so this is how you spend you money you make with Gutenbrowser |
| 21:06:42 | warmi | heh |
| 21:06:45 | ljp_work | ha |
| 21:07:02 | treke | warmi : thats why I try not to do any work on fridays, so I dont cause any of those failures |
| 21:07:07 | ljp_work | I wish gutenbrowser bought me all that |
| 21:07:25 | warmi | treke: yeah . better be safe then sorry |
| 21:07:26 | darienm | thank you heiko |
| 21:07:26 | warmi | heh |
| 21:07:30 | treke | you gotten any sales on it |
| 21:08:33 | warmi | he got quite a few judging by myzaurus.com |
| 21:08:39 | warmi | but I think 6.95 was a mistake |
| 21:08:56 | warmi | in PocketPC world that kind of app would go for at least 12+ or so |
| 21:10:04 | ljp_work | well. I priced it by what tkc's apps were at |
| 21:10:28 | ljp_work | is no salesperson |
| 21:10:59 | treke | wow. Strategic Assault has gotten 1100 sales? |
| 21:11:07 | treke | oh downloads |
| 21:11:26 | darienm | tkc's apps went UP in price in the last 10 days. |
| 21:12:01 | warmi | they are still cheap as compared to similar stuff available for PPC or PalmOS |
| 21:12:09 | darienm | no argument. |
| 21:13:18 | kergoth | woot. get my cable net access hooked up tomorrow at my new place tomorrow at 11 |
| 21:13:32 | treke | cool |
| 21:14:47 | ljp_work | great, so set up teambuilder so I can compile my stuff on your box |
| 21:15:03 | kergoth | my house is so boring atm.. no net, no cable tv, no stereo |
| 21:15:04 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:15:07 | warmi | crap |
| 21:15:15 | warmi | no net ???? |
| 21:15:25 | kergoth | i didnt call ahead when i closed on the house |
| 21:15:34 | kergoth | didnt call till the day of closing.. |
| 21:15:35 | warmi | that's like .. bordering on blashemy |
| 21:15:35 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:15:57 | kergoth | ive been watching a lot of dvds and reading some books, and have had lots of time with my friends lately |
| 21:15:58 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:16:06 | warmi | I don't have cable tv either |
| 21:16:20 | warmi | but I got DirectTV satelite now .. mainly to watch world cup |
| 21:16:43 | kergoth | i need to get one of those myself |
| 21:16:45 | kergoth | or dish network |
| 21:17:50 | warmi | it is ok |
| 21:18:09 | warmi | I mean I don't watch much beyond history channel ( I like history stuff etc) and some news |
| 21:18:22 | warmi | and of course soccer but only during the world cup |
| 21:18:36 | kergoth | im not much for tv either. I watch discovery, history, mtv.. and movie channels |
| 21:18:37 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:18:38 | warmi | my DSL connection is my primary window to the world these days |
| 21:19:04 | kergoth | yep, computers are subverting tv more than they are our social lives, contrary to popular opinion |
| 21:19:06 | kergoth | brb, caffeine |
| 21:19:25 | warmi | caffeine at 5 PM .... that's hardcore |
| 21:19:28 | warmi | heh |
| 21:21:01 | whardier | mmm |
| 21:21:02 | whardier | beeer |
| 21:21:43 | kergoth | bastard. im stuck with coffee for another hr & a half |
| 21:21:46 | kergoth | s/hr/hour/ |
| 21:21:47 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:24:49 | whardier | wipes his boogers off of kergoth |
| 21:24:55 | whardier | sorry about that. I had to sneeze |
| 21:25:31 | whardier | oh good lord |
| 21:25:34 | whardier | I cannot stop sneezing! |
| 21:28:44 | warmi | that's what you get for going to the dentis |
| 21:28:55 | warmi | real man don't go to places like that |
| 21:36:22 | warmi | another week went by with no word from Trolls regarding contest |
| 21:36:27 | warmi | heh |
| 21:36:39 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 21:36:42 | CloudChaser | aww |
| 21:37:14 | CloudChaser | can't imagaine how you all feel.. i hate waiting! |
| 21:37:42 | CloudChaser | i'd be going nuts if i was involed in a contest that was late :) |
| 21:38:05 | warmi | jmhodges: did you participate in that contest ? |
| 21:38:20 | warmi | did you participate in that contest ? |
| 21:38:23 | warmi | . |
| 21:38:27 | jmhodges | nope.. i just got here remember? |
| 21:38:28 | jmhodges | :) |
| 21:38:39 | CloudChaser | hehe he's a fast-learning noob ;) |
| 21:38:58 | CloudChaser | hehe he's a fast-learning noob ;) |
| 21:39:04 | jmhodges | :D |
| 21:39:19 | warmi | jmhodges: did you participate in the contst ? |
| 21:39:26 | warmi | contest, that is |
| 21:39:30 | CloudChaser | oops he missed your answer jm |
| 21:39:34 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 21:39:38 | jmhodges | nope.. i just got here remember? |
| 21:39:51 | jmhodges | <jmhodges> :) |
| 21:39:51 | jmhodges | <-- warmi has quit ("CGI:IRC 0.4.3") |
| 21:39:51 | jmhodges | <CloudChaser> hehe he's a fast-learning noob ;) |
| 21:40:37 | jmhodges | whos bot is ibot? |
| 21:41:25 | warmi | right , I remember now |
| 21:41:44 | warmi | my intermal ram has very low refresh rate .. it takes a while to kick in |
| 21:41:47 | warmi | heh |
| 21:41:57 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 21:43:24 | warmi | oh right .. I remember , you are that medieval dude with 56 connection |
| 21:43:26 | warmi | huh |
| 21:43:30 | warmi | :-) |
| 21:43:34 | CloudChaser | lol |
| 21:43:37 | CloudChaser | ouch |
| 21:44:02 | jmhodges | ouch? |
| 21:44:13 | jmhodges | warmi: dont get me started .. |
| 21:44:16 | jmhodges | :) |
| 21:44:17 | warmi | hehe |
| 21:44:18 | CloudChaser | hehe |
| 21:44:20 | warmi | yeah, I know |
| 21:54:28 | ljp_work | boo! |
| 21:54:31 | CloudChaser | so jm what new and exciting z project are you working on today? |
| 21:54:36 | CloudChaser | hiya ljp ;) |
| 21:54:42 | warmi | alright, enough for this week .. have a nice weekend folks |
| 21:54:50 | CloudChaser | oh you too! |
| 21:55:10 | CloudChaser | if it gets above 65 degrees here this weekend i'll be very happy! |
| 21:55:26 | ljp_work | ugh its going to be above 90 here |
| 21:55:36 | CloudChaser | it was 58 here last i looked |
| 21:55:41 | CloudChaser | shivers |
| 21:55:54 | CloudChaser | feel like i live in alaska or something |
| 21:56:04 | ljp_work | where are you? |
| 21:56:08 | CloudChaser | connecticut |
| 21:56:17 | ljp_work | ahh colorado here.. |
| 21:56:41 | kergoth | been cold here too this spring |
| 21:56:43 | kergoth | brb |
| 21:57:58 | kergoth | gah damn real work interfering again |
| 21:58:37 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 21:59:31 | CloudChaser | -- |
| 22:02:01 | ljp_work | cmon 5 o'clock |
| 22:02:08 | CloudChaser | i'm looking at my memory on system info |
| 22:02:16 | treke | come one 4 o'clock |
| 22:02:17 | CloudChaser | says total memory 28815kb |
| 22:02:37 | treke | is taking his lunch hour at 4 o'clock :) |
| 22:02:38 | mark | which Qtopia dialog is the 'save' dialog? |
| 22:02:58 | CloudChaser | used 15055kb, buffers 294kb, cached 12828kb free 638kb...whats the cached for? |
| 22:03:03 | ljp_work | there is no qtopia save dialog |
| 22:03:18 | ljp_work | use FileManager class |
| 22:03:24 | CloudChaser | it looks like 28 meg total not 32 meg total |
| 22:04:13 | CloudChaser | did i lose 4 megs somewhere? |
| 22:04:27 | mark | ljp_work: code example anywhere? |
| 22:04:39 | kendrick2 | re |
| 22:04:51 | kendrick2 | does zaurus.loveslinux.com suck for anyone else? |
| 22:04:55 | ljp_work | mark: what are you saving? theres one in textedit |
| 22:05:27 | kendrick2 | the layout's all screwed up, i can't edit my personal info cuz of broken html, i get "attempt to directly alter preferences - permission denied" errors |
| 22:05:27 | kendrick2 | argh! |
| 22:06:02 | mark | ljp_work: a .pgn file (chess). okay, thanks |
| 22:06:45 | mark | ljp_work: ah this is gonna be a pain to work in. |
| 22:07:13 | [DrEvil] | goes to dig out the original Max Headroom movie |
| 22:08:22 | kergoth | hmm our network admin at digi just sent out an email with our new wep key in it.. and claims the wep key is case sensitive. |
| 22:08:23 | kergoth | lol |
| 22:08:40 | ljp_work | mark: in opies textedit dir, there's a normal save dialog |
| 22:08:58 | kergoth | fools |
| 22:09:27 | mark | ljp_work: yeh, I quite want this to be standard with the other Qtopia apps - i'm hopefully selling it on handago for nobrainers |
| 22:11:01 | ljp_work | you might have to change that a little.. I wrote it and you can use it as you wish |
| 22:14:08 | mark | ljp_work: does it use DocLnk? ie will stuff go into doc tab? |
| 22:14:44 | kendrick2 | wanders to do php |
| 22:14:45 | kendrick2 | :) |
| 22:15:16 | ljp_work | mark: no, but DocLnk would be easy to add |
| 22:15:42 | ljp_work | its basically just a way to get back path/name info |
| 22:16:40 | mark | okay |
| 22:16:45 | mark | really crap they ship no save dialog |
| 22:17:04 | ljp_work | heh nope... 'it's too confusing' |
| 22:17:29 | mark | there must be saves in hancom word? |
| 22:18:59 | whardier | kills |
| 22:19:12 | whardier | don't do whardier |
| 22:20:07 | bill20r3 | doo itt |
| 22:20:27 | jmhodges | what does Code=11 mean from QtopiaDesktop? |
| 22:23:10 | whardier | jmhodges means pack up your shit.. burn the building.. and head for canadia |
| 22:23:30 | mark | ljp_work: doesn't hancom have save dialogs? |
| 22:24:02 | ljp_work | probably use their own. |
| 22:24:04 | ljp_work | bbiab |
| 22:24:09 | whardier | yeah right |
| 22:24:11 | whardier | he is leaving for good |
| 22:24:21 | kergoth | waits for glibc to build on his windows box |
| 22:24:37 | tux_mike | glibc... windows... does not compute |
| 22:24:41 | whardier | I really wish that they would not have poked my mouth so much today |
| 22:24:58 | kergoth | whardier: i dont wanna know |
| 22:25:02 | bill20r3 | me either. |
| 22:25:06 | tux_mike | dentist? |
| 22:25:09 | whardier | yeah |
| 22:25:20 | whardier | they used this thing to see how deep my gums were |
| 22:25:28 | tux_mike | ackam's(sp) razor :) |
| 22:25:31 | whardier | I would have thought that xrays would work |
| 22:25:42 | whardier | the simplest solution is often the best solution |
| 22:25:54 | tux_mike | or correct solution |
| 22:25:54 | kergoth | ack |
| 22:25:55 | kergoth | wtf |
| 22:26:06 | whardier | kergoth surprised it did not work? |
| 22:26:09 | kergoth | the windows box crosscompiling glibc just rebooted itself spontaniously |
| 22:26:14 | tux_mike | lol |
| 22:26:20 | kergoth | it rejects it! |
| 22:26:26 | kergoth | bad windows, bad |
| 22:26:26 | whardier | I REJECT YOU! |
| 22:26:34 | whardier | patches OZ a bit |
| 22:26:38 | tux_mike | kerg: glibc is figting back, begging you not to put it on an inferior OS |
| 22:26:42 | whardier | ts a diff patch command line? |
| 22:26:45 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:26:50 | kergoth | diff -urNd? |
| 22:27:15 | kergoth | tux_mike: hehe.. grr |
| 22:27:35 | kergoth | man, bitkeeper is pretty sweet |
| 22:27:48 | tux_mike | is an all linux haus! |
| 22:27:52 | tux_mike | is in |
| 22:28:08 | kergoth | i need my games. need to take a break and kill something from time to time |
| 22:28:09 | kergoth | heheh |
| 22:28:22 | tux_mike | that's what the game cube is for |
| 22:28:31 | kergoth | yah i need to pick one of those up now that prices dropped |
| 22:28:59 | tux_mike | i need to get a good small laptop, something like an old toshiba portege |
| 22:29:08 | kergoth | for what/ |
| 22:29:41 | tux_mike | well my laptop is pretty much useless, and i want something small that i can take from place to place easire |
| 22:30:05 | kergoth | ah thats cool |
| 22:30:30 | kergoth | Ive taken to using my Z for most things when im away from my desk |
| 22:30:46 | tux_mike | i can't code well enough on my z |
| 22:31:09 | kergoth | true true |
| 22:31:33 | kergoth | id like to code out on my deck |
| 22:31:49 | tux_mike | same here |
| 22:33:14 | whardier | sucks gound thru linux.conf and adding 50 lines of shit |
| 22:33:15 | whardier | haha |
| 22:34:30 | whardier | kergoth I was hacking from my deck yesterday |
| 22:34:38 | whardier | I dragged a computer out there and everything |
| 22:34:40 | whardier | smoked |
| 22:34:41 | whardier | drank |
| 22:34:46 | whardier | got on a few wireless lans |
| 22:34:48 | tux_mike | i so need to get some money |
| 22:34:50 | bill20r3 | cate/ca |
| 22:34:51 | kergoth | hah, nice |
| 22:35:03 | kergoth | I need an AP at my house |
| 22:35:11 | whardier | I am trying to get a contract with somebody in town that wants satanic networking to be done |
| 22:35:19 | whardier | I am learning the black arts of open source networking |
| 22:35:19 | kergoth | satanic networking? |
| 22:35:22 | kergoth | hah |
| 22:35:41 | whardier | basically stuff that has RFC's that are only implemented in linux/freebsd |
| 22:36:05 | whardier | dorks around waiting for it to make linux |
| 22:36:06 | kergoth | stuff that belongs in your book? |
| 22:36:07 | kergoth | heheh |
| 22:36:09 | whardier | I wonder if the patch will apply |
| 22:36:20 | whardier | the Madmans guide to networking mahem? |
| 22:36:22 | whardier | hehe |
| 22:36:32 | kergoth | yup |
| 22:36:38 | whardier | I need a intern capable of writing for that to ever get published |
| 22:37:09 | whardier | god damnit I hate downloading 2.4.6 from busy servers |
| 22:37:13 | whardier | in the middle of a goddamn build |
| 22:37:16 | kergoth | heheh |
| 22:37:23 | kergoth | the buildsystem needs sane handling of mirrors |
| 22:39:20 | kergoth | whardier: hey ill have 2.5.18 being functional on my Z soon |
| 22:39:23 | whardier | can anybody here reach kernel.org? |
| 22:39:29 | whardier | 2.5.18 just sounds cool |
| 22:39:36 | Rince | ----kernel.org PING Statistics---- |
| 22:39:37 | Rince | 4 packets transmitted, 4 packets received, 0.0% packet loss |
| 22:39:38 | whardier | and it would be uber helpfull to me! |
| 22:39:53 | kergoth | im getting connection refused by ftp tho |
| 22:40:03 | whardier | and www |
| 22:40:03 | treke | kergoth : scary :) |
| 22:40:04 | whardier | damnit |
| 22:40:14 | tux_mike | connection refused |
| 22:40:29 | kergoth | the mirrors are fine |
| 22:40:34 | kergoth | hop out to ftp.us.kernel.org |
| 22:40:37 | treke | whardier : check /. maybe 2.4.19 came out :) |
| 22:40:56 | Nadav | lol |
| 22:41:18 | kergoth | wonder how long itd take to clone the linux-2.4 or linux-2.5 kernel bitkeeper trees |
| 22:41:33 | whardier | man my teeth hurt |
| 22:41:33 | tux_mike | 3 weeks |
| 22:41:43 | kergoth | heheh |
| 22:42:01 | kergoth | im happy. the arm crosscompiler for cygwin seems to work fine |
| 22:42:23 | kergoth | now i can do twisted things like do kernel dev from windows and then build one for the Z |
| 22:42:25 | whardier | woot |
| 22:42:28 | whardier | downloading at 28K/s |
| 22:42:30 | whardier | damnit |
| 22:42:44 | whardier | kergoth what the hell are you doing in windows? |
| 22:43:01 | Speedy2 | yo |
| 22:43:08 | kergoth | whardier: my main box at home is a windows box for gaming.. im setting up a qtopia and kernel dev env in cygwin for it |
| 22:43:09 | kergoth | whardier: heh |
| 22:43:23 | whardier | man my teeth hurt |
| 22:43:24 | kergoth | whardier: since im too cheap to buy another linux box for home |
| 22:43:32 | whardier | kergoth no uplink? |
| 22:43:38 | whardier | I would just use vmware |
| 22:43:41 | whardier | or uh.. ssh |
| 22:44:03 | whardier | or get a microdrive and compile the buildsystem on the zaurus |
| 22:44:04 | kergoth | the boxes i'm playing on at work here are slow as fuck. my box at home is tolerable |
| 22:44:06 | kergoth | hah |
| 22:44:07 | whardier | then flash your own zzaurus |
| 22:44:37 | whardier | kergoth of you need access to faster machines for compiling I might be able to come up with something |
| 22:44:46 | whardier | I have a dual 933 at home |
| 22:44:58 | Speedy2 | Would a Z with an 80GB fast IDE drive be of real use? |
| 22:44:59 | whardier | and a cluster of 1.6 ghz machines in Alaska |
| 22:45:00 | whardier | haha |
| 22:45:04 | kergoth | keep me posted. for the moment i'm setting this up. hehe |
| 22:45:09 | Speedy2 | i.e. more than a Z with a 1GB Microdrive. |
| 22:45:20 | whardier | kergoth or you could use the trolltech distributed compiling thing and just use eveerybody's connection here |
| 22:45:25 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:45:33 | kergoth | personal ver is only 3 boxes |
| 22:45:39 | whardier | crack |
| 22:45:44 | whardier | just saying |
| 22:45:47 | whardier | I do lots of crack |
| 22:45:50 | kergoth | I should alter make so that make -j can spawn submakes on other boxes through ssh |
| 22:45:59 | whardier | haha |
| 22:45:59 | kergoth | thatd be the poor mans teambuilder |
| 22:46:01 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:46:29 | kergoth | course theyd need a shared place to build at.. smb/nfs or something |
| 22:46:41 | Speedy2 | So what about it, a Z with an 80GB IDE disk, would that be useful? |
| 22:47:02 | kergoth | Speedy2: for what? other than having lots of mp3s to play. i cant think of much youd need that much space for offhand |
| 22:47:12 | Speedy2 | kergoth: For native development work (compiling, etc) |
| 22:47:19 | whardier | actually |
| 22:47:20 | whardier | heh |
| 22:47:26 | whardier | kergoth you apparently have an uplink? |
| 22:47:27 | treke | portable pr0n |
| 22:47:30 | Speedy2 | bah |
| 22:47:36 | Speedy2 | I'm asking a serious question here |
| 22:47:53 | kergoth | whardier: i dont get net at my house until tomorrow morning.. but im getting it finally |
| 22:48:00 | whardier | right on |
| 22:48:58 | kergoth | you have any recommendations for web hosting companies offhand? |
| 22:49:08 | whardier | anybody wanna share a girlfriend with me |
| 22:49:14 | whardier | I seem to be SOL at finding my own |
| 22:49:21 | kergoth | hah, no thanks |
| 22:49:28 | kergoth | i lost mine.. grumble |
| 22:49:34 | whardier | kick her ass! |
| 22:49:36 | whardier | err |
| 22:49:39 | whardier | send her flowers |
| 22:50:02 | whardier | kergoth what happened to your biznatch? |
| 22:50:33 | kergoth | she broke up with me last week. my fault. heh |
| 22:50:44 | whardier | when is it ever a mans fault? |
| 22:51:04 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:51:18 | kergoth | for women, when is it not? |
| 22:51:23 | whardier | oh |
| 22:51:24 | whardier | heh |
| 22:51:28 | whardier | I get dumped a lot |
| 22:51:30 | whardier | by the woman |
| 22:51:36 | whardier | its usually her fault she decided to dump me |
| 22:51:42 | whardier | see how I changed that around :P |
| 22:51:44 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:51:48 | kergoth | smooth |
| 22:52:05 | whardier | why did you turn off verbose kernel extraction |
| 22:52:14 | whardier | not like glibc does not fill the screen 5000x over |
| 22:52:42 | kergoth | true true. I silenced some of the items that didnt seem helpful |
| 22:52:46 | whardier | PATCH FUCKER! |
| 22:53:06 | whardier | is gonna be uber poopy if this does not patch |
| 22:53:17 | whardier | is downing cider |
| 22:53:29 | kergoth | ahas this numbnuts network admin at my work is funny |
| 22:53:34 | kergoth | s/ahas/aha/ |
| 22:53:46 | kergoth | he 'just discovered' that a wep key isnt case sensitive |
| 22:53:57 | kergoth | you stupid motherfucker. 0xa5 and 0xA5 are the same fucking value |
| 22:54:10 | whardier | WOOOOOTA |
| 22:54:12 | kergoth | i dunno where they get these people |
| 22:54:13 | kergoth | patched? |
| 22:54:16 | whardier | ci1 |
| 22:54:17 | whardier | err |
| 22:54:18 | whardier | ci! |
| 22:54:25 | kergoth | nice |
| 22:54:34 | whardier | added all he needs to test out Z-Nodez |
| 22:54:53 | whardier | I have people donating machines to me for research |
| 22:54:53 | whardier | haha |
| 22:55:00 | whardier | because all I need is to host a uml somewhere |
| 22:55:02 | kergoth | whatd ya add? |
| 22:55:05 | whardier | err |
| 22:55:52 | whardier | QoS/Advanced/Router/Multicasting/Bonding/PPP Multilink/IPV6/IPV^-NF/Bridge-NF |
| 22:56:01 | whardier | QoS/Advanced Router/Multicasting/Bonding/PPP Multilink/IPV6/IPV^-NF/Bridge-NF |
| 22:56:02 | whardier | heh |
| 22:56:07 | whardier | err |
| 22:56:11 | whardier | QoS/Advanced Router/Multicasting/Bonding/PPP Multilink/IPV6/IPV^-NF/Bridge-NF/GRE/IPIP |
| 22:56:14 | whardier | there |
| 22:56:15 | whardier | that covers it |
| 22:56:22 | whardier | damni |
| 22:56:25 | whardier | QoS/Advanced Router/Multicasting/Bonding/PPP Multilink/IPV6/IPV^-NF/Bridge-NF/GRE/IPIP/Ananas |
| 22:56:30 | whardier | fuck |
| 22:56:33 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:56:34 | whardier | QoS/Advanced Router/Multicasting/Bonding/PPP Multilink/IPV6/IPV^-NF/Bridge-NF/GRE/IPIP/Ananas/802.1Q |
| 22:56:40 | whardier | there |
| 22:56:42 | whardier | that should be it |
| 22:56:50 | whardier | QoS/Advanced Router/Multicasting/Bonding/PPP Multilink/IPV6/IPV6-NF/Bridge-NF/GRE/IPIP/Ananas/802.1Q |
| 22:56:51 | kergoth | ananas.. whats that? |
| 22:57:00 | whardier | an abstract routing interface |
| 22:57:03 | whardier | for ad-hoc routing |
| 22:57:06 | kergoth | ah.. |
| 22:57:29 | whardier | then the software I get to ad is ananas config stuff/olsrd/mrouted/vconfig/bridge-utils/iproute2 |
| 22:57:37 | whardier | ananas config stuff/olsrd/mrouted/vconfig/bridge-utils/iproute2/vtun |
| 22:57:39 | whardier | there |
| 22:57:50 | whardier | SA1100's kick ass at routing traffic |
| 22:58:09 | whardier | all integer.. all the time.. |
| 22:58:19 | kergoth | yep |
| 22:58:27 | whardier | then I am gonna kill opie |
| 22:58:29 | whardier | sorry |
| 22:58:32 | whardier | don't need it for testing |
| 22:58:38 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:58:39 | kergoth | np |
| 22:58:40 | whardier | add squid for testing reasons |
| 22:58:45 | wembly | well |
| 22:58:46 | kergoth | i should tweak those picogui .mks |
| 22:58:52 | whardier | and probably use picogui for a monitor |
| 22:58:52 | wembly | thank gawd my zaurus didnt get stolen |
| 22:59:04 | whardier | wembly ? |
| 22:59:04 | wembly | but my tv and stuffs did :~( |
| 22:59:13 | whardier | suck dude! |
| 22:59:16 | kergoth | shit.. that sucks |
| 22:59:20 | wembly | yea no kiddin |
| 22:59:24 | wembly | they missed my pda |
| 22:59:31 | wembly | and desided not to bother with the computers. |
| 22:59:44 | wembly | they did manage to get a 270lb 36inch tv out the door tho. |
| 22:59:52 | whardier | the embedded debian project looks really neat |
| 22:59:53 | Speedy2 | wembly: Where do you live? |
| 22:59:58 | wembly | MO |
| 23:00:09 | whardier | hmm |
| 23:00:11 | Speedy2 | The South does suck, eh? |
| 23:00:12 | kergoth | emdebian? its nifty, uses cml2 as a configuration system |
| 23:00:13 | whardier | so it wasn't your house I robbed? |
| 23:00:21 | whardier | I tried out the config system |
| 23:00:26 | whardier | its funk in my pants weird |
| 23:00:28 | kergoth | hah |
| 23:00:35 | wembly | south? |
| 23:00:40 | whardier | I really wanna get that running on the Z |
| 23:00:42 | wembly | MO is as much south as i dunno |
| 23:00:50 | wembly | its more north then wash DC :P |
| 23:00:51 | whardier | it would help me quite a bit.. OZ's buildsystem is really for a PDA |
| 23:01:00 | kergoth | oz's buildsystem is a hack |
| 23:01:02 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:01:09 | whardier | and I am fucking in love with /etc/network/interfaces |
| 23:01:12 | kergoth | actually, a collection of hacks |
| 23:01:17 | kergoth | yeh interfaces is nice |
| 23:01:28 | Speedy2 | kergot: Collection of hacks defines Linux |
| 23:01:29 | whardier | hmm |
| 23:01:40 | whardier | I could use the linux patches for OZ on the embeddix stuff |
| 23:01:42 | whardier | err |
| 23:01:45 | whardier | embdebian |
| 23:01:45 | wembly | whardier: you too huh? |
| 23:01:55 | whardier | :P |
| 23:01:59 | kergoth | Speedy2: point taken. still, my next version will have an actual design ;-) |
| 23:02:01 | kergoth | hey mspin |
| 23:02:08 | whardier | eats MSpin |
| 23:02:12 | Neo|Work | anyone interested in working on doom for the Zaurus? |
| 23:02:12 | MSpin | heya kergoth |
| 23:02:12 | whardier | NUFF TALKIN OUT OF YOU! |
| 23:02:22 | MSpin | whardier: how'd I taste? |
| 23:02:27 | whardier | like cantelope |
| 23:02:35 | Neo|Work | I don't feel heck of a lot of motivation for it so if someone wants take over I'd be happy |
| 23:02:37 | treke | Neo|Work : #zaurus nominates you |
| 23:02:40 | kergoth | whardier: emdebian would work fine on the Z |
| 23:02:49 | whardier | I should attempt compiling it |
| 23:02:56 | whardier | I assume ut has bzflags jffs2 work? |
| 23:03:00 | whardier | since he is associated with it |
| 23:03:03 | kergoth | familiar would work fine too |
| 23:03:05 | kergoth | ut? |
| 23:03:05 | treke | linuxbrit.org |
| 23:03:58 | MSpin | woohoo, I lvoe ksmet |
| 23:04:03 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:04:06 | kergoth | hows kismet_qt coming along? |
| 23:04:08 | MSpin | I picked up 13 networks in my walk home |
| 23:04:12 | kergoth | nice |
| 23:04:18 | MSpin | I just made a few additions |
| 23:04:50 | MSpin | more screen realestate and it now has the option to disable the suspend |
| 23:05:07 | kergoth | very good |
| 23:05:08 | whardier | attempts to understand emdebian |
| 23:05:20 | kergoth | we need an applet to disable suspend, and adjust backlight and shit |
| 23:05:22 | whardier | watches glibc dance in front of my eyes |
| 23:05:22 | whardier | god |
| 23:05:28 | kergoth | i hate building glibc |
| 23:05:29 | whardier | its like watching an ascii stripper wiggle around |
| 23:05:29 | kergoth | i really do |
| 23:05:33 | kergoth | hah |
| 23:05:48 | whardier | hehe |
| 23:05:48 | kergoth | that reminds me of some of the old ansi and ascii art |
| 23:05:55 | whardier | ascii.hotornot.com |
| 23:05:55 | kergoth | BBS shit |
| 23:05:58 | whardier | :P |
| 23:06:16 | kergoth | haha |
| 23:06:21 | kergoth | never been there |
| 23:06:26 | whardier | hehe |
| 23:06:44 | kergoth | they should do an ansi one too |
| 23:06:48 | kergoth | heheh |
| 23:06:54 | whardier | haha |
| 23:06:59 | whardier | aalib can only do soo much |
| 23:07:10 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:07:17 | whardier | should add an aalib output driver for oz |
| 23:07:17 | whardier | haha |
| 23:07:19 | whardier | that would be wrong |
| 23:07:23 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:07:28 | whardier | you know whats fucked |
| 23:07:34 | whardier | mplayer pornmovie.avi -vo aalib |
| 23:07:38 | whardier | thats fucked |
| 23:07:42 | kergoth | aha |
| 23:08:20 | kergoth | goddamnit, time to go. was hoping that glibc build in cygwin would finish b4 i left |
| 23:08:21 | kergoth | brb |
| 23:08:58 | whardier | :( |
| 23:09:10 | whardier | kicks cml2+os from emdebian |
| 23:09:12 | whardier | its stupid dependancy crackwhoreness |
| 23:09:43 | WhiteHat | hi ! |
| 23:10:54 | WhiteHat | I'm trying to connect my Z to a linux laptop. I was (once) able to do it and get usb0 up. the problem was that whenever I started a connection with Z, the connection got lost |
| 23:11:12 | WhiteHat | it seemed an unidireccional problema |
| 23:11:41 | WhiteHat | 'cause, pinging from Z to the laptop was ok, but the inverse 'hanged' the connection |
| 23:12:14 | WhiteHat | now, I'm in a stage where I simply can't recreate that 'bad' scenario, as the usbnet isn't working |
| 23:12:23 | WhiteHat | any suggestion ? |
| 23:17:56 | kergoth | goddamnit. |
| 23:17:59 | kergoth | glibc failed out |
| 23:18:20 | kergoth | time to head home. talk to you all tomorrow |
| 23:23:56 | CloudChaser | - |
| 23:25:13 | whardier | heh |
| 23:25:14 | whardier | 0 |
| 23:25:14 | whardier | - |
| 23:25:15 | whardier | - |
| 23:25:16 | whardier | 0 |
| 23:25:20 | whardier | binoculars! |
| 23:25:27 | whardier | oooor |
| 23:25:29 | CloudChaser | hehe hiya |
| 23:25:29 | whardier | a parascope! |
| 23:27:28 | whardier | damnit I am gonna hurt somebody |
| 23:27:37 | CloudChaser | runs and hides |
| 23:27:44 | whardier | runs around |
| 23:29:33 | ljp_studio | stands and stares |
| 23:32:14 | whardier | punk cats |
| 23:34:01 | ljp | installs teambuilder |
| 23:36:43 | ljp | whardier: you should install teambuilder, so I can compile my stuff on your boxes |
| 23:37:59 | ljp | :D |
| 23:51:30 | whardier | haha |
| 23:51:35 | whardier | has 6 here |
| 23:51:40 | whardier | I have too many |
| 23:52:11 | whardier | ljp.. bowling |
| 23:52:21 | whardier | where do you like to bowl? |
| 23:52:30 | whardier | Fort Collins can be hella fun! |
| 23:53:04 | whardier | emdebian is.. not working |
| 23:53:48 | ljp | uhh dude.. I've been bowling once in 10 years |
| 23:54:19 | ljp | yep.. Fort Fun |
| 23:54:39 | whardier | hehe |
| 23:54:44 | whardier | well.. I need a new water pump |
| 23:54:55 | whardier | if you would like to go bowling soonish it would probably have to be in Fort fun |
| 23:55:08 | whardier | I can't seem to convince anybody that longmont is cool |
| 23:55:19 | whardier | wonders why |
| 23:55:47 | ljp | heheh cause it isnt |
| 23:55:52 | whardier | oh yeah |
| 23:56:20 | whardier | I don't think I have ever stopped in longmont |
| 23:57:17 | ljp | its Boulder's alter ego |
| 23:57:25 | whardier | haha |
| 23:57:46 | whardier | well what have ye? |
| 23:57:49 | whardier | Fort Fun? |
| 23:58:00 | whardier | is bored and its only gonna get worse this weekend |
| 23:58:38 | ljp | heheh find open teambuilder boxes |
| 23:58:44 | whardier | you can do that? |
| 23:58:51 | ljp | who me? no |
| 23:58:55 | whardier | what? |
| 23:58:57 | whardier | no |
| 23:58:59 | whardier | oh |
| 23:59:00 | whardier | haha |
| 23:59:01 | whardier | I got it |
| 23:59:02 | whardier | fuck |
| 23:59:03 | whardier | dude! |
| 23:59:04 | ljp | I can barely find a box sitting right next to mine |
| 23:59:12 | whardier | haha |
| 23:59:13 | whardier | bowling? |
| 23:59:21 | whardier | fun in the fort of fun fort fun ? |
| 23:59:38 | ljp | tonight? hmmm |
| 23:59:52 | whardier | presses for tonight in hopes of getting lucky for atleats tomorrow |
| 23:59:58 | whardier | atleast even |
