| 00:12:15 | bill2or3 | anyone found a better price than $439 for a 5500? |
| 00:25:27 | Com[Plex] | hey guys.. what ever happened to that scummmv emulator for the z? |
| 00:25:41 | CloudChaser | what emulator? |
| 00:25:53 | Com[Plex] | you know, that thign that let you play those old games like Sam and Max, and day of the tentacle |
| 00:26:26 | CloudChaser | oh i dont know anything about it.. maybe one of the others does |
| 00:27:32 | Com[Plex] | k, im searching google for it now |
| 00:28:32 | Com[Plex] | http://scummvm.sourceforge.net/ |
| 00:29:30 | Com[Plex] | heres one for the ipaq linux. http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/scummvm/scummvm_0.2-3_arm.ipk |
| 00:29:40 | CloudChaser | haha i thought you said "skummy" emulator |
| 00:29:51 | CloudChaser | couldn't figure ot why you wanted it if it was scummy |
| 00:30:42 | Com[Plex] | Script Creation Utility for Maniac Mansion |
| 00:32:29 | CloudChaser | ah |
| 00:46:09 | CloudChaser | ok is there qtopia desktop for linux? |
| 00:48:22 | bill2or3 | ftp://ftp.trolltech.com/qtopia/qtopiadesktop.tgz |
| 00:48:34 | bill2or3 | so says http://www.trolltech.com/developer/download/qtopia.html |
| 00:48:47 | CloudChaser | oh thank you |
| 00:49:00 | bill2or3 | ponders a purchase |
| 00:49:09 | bill2or3 | is 16m of flash really enough? |
| 00:50:38 | CloudChaser | depends on what you want to do with it |
| 00:50:48 | CloudChaser | wait sorry |
| 00:51:04 | CloudChaser | do you mean like a CF card? |
| 00:53:59 | bill2or3 | I mean the built in flash |
| 00:54:19 | jmhodges | back |
| 00:54:23 | CloudChaser | ok |
| 00:54:27 | jmhodges | :) |
| 00:55:04 | CloudChaser | ok i got that file |
| 00:55:31 | CloudChaser | now i do a tar xzvf on it right? |
| 01:00:08 | CloudChaser | ok did that.. |
| 01:04:52 | whardier | whats up foos |
| 01:04:55 | CloudChaser | hiya |
| 01:05:00 | whardier | you down?! |
| 01:05:03 | CloudChaser | just me trying to umm |
| 01:05:20 | CloudChaser | get qtopia destop on my linux to work |
| 01:05:31 | whardier | umm? |
| 01:05:38 | whardier | sadf |
| 01:05:40 | whardier | haha |
| 01:05:43 | jmhodges | CloudChaser: ive done it |
| 01:05:44 | CloudChaser | i want my z to talk to linux |
| 01:05:47 | jmhodges | whatcha need? |
| 01:05:55 | CloudChaser | ok i did the tar thing |
| 01:06:05 | jmhodges | sorry on what file? |
| 01:06:13 | jmhodges | the usbdnet tarball? |
| 01:06:18 | CloudChaser | now i've got a directory called qtopiadesktop-personal-use-1.5 |
| 01:06:23 | jmhodges | ooh |
| 01:06:28 | jmhodges | CloudChaser: thats all ya need to do.. |
| 01:06:35 | CloudChaser | how do i run it? |
| 01:06:39 | jmhodges | CloudChaser: for qtopia at least :) |
| 01:06:48 | jmhodges | CloudChaser: did you already do the ifconfig stuff? |
| 01:06:52 | CloudChaser | i don't need usb i want it to synch over wireless |
| 01:07:07 | jmhodges | slowly backs away |
| 01:07:09 | jmhodges | sorry :( |
| 01:07:16 | jmhodges | i dont want to try that.. |
| 01:07:27 | CloudChaser | why? works great with windows |
| 01:07:42 | CloudChaser | how do i run that program though.. |
| 01:07:43 | jmhodges | cause im not much of a networking guy :) |
| 01:08:04 | CloudChaser | if i couldl get the destop app open i might could get it to work |
| 01:08:11 | jmhodges | export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/home/jmh/qtopiadesktop-personal-use-1.5/ && |
| 01:08:11 | jmhodges | /home/jmh/qtopiadesktop-personal-use-1.5/qtopiadesktop |
| 01:08:20 | jmhodges | thats what i use :) |
| 01:08:24 | jmhodges | in a little script of mien |
| 01:08:33 | jmhodges | OH and you also need ot do this before hand |
| 01:08:40 | jmhodges | #ln -s librsync.so.1.0.0 librsync.so.1 && |
| 01:08:40 | jmhodges | #ln -s libpalmtopcenter.so.1.0.0 libpalmtopcenter.so.1 && |
| 01:08:40 | jmhodges | #ln -s libqt.so.3.0.3 libqt.so.3 |
| 01:08:42 | CloudChaser | ok i'm in the dir and when i type qtopiadesktop it says command not found |
| 01:08:48 | jmhodges | minus the # |
| 01:09:01 | jmhodges | CloudChaser: you need to do ./qtopiadesktop :) |
| 01:09:57 | CloudChaser | turns red |
| 01:10:23 | CloudChaser | bleh that gave an error |
| 01:10:32 | CloudChaser | ./qtopiadesktop: error while loading shared libraries: librsync.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 01:11:55 | whardier | is cracking his own wep |
| 01:12:02 | CloudChaser | hehe |
| 01:12:17 | whardier | I am getting bored |
| 01:12:26 | whardier | eats a sandwich |
| 01:13:07 | CloudChaser | i don't have to compile that? |
| 01:13:34 | jmhodges | CloudChaser: do this |
| 01:13:46 | jmhodges | #ln -s librsync.so.1.0.0 librsync.so.1 && |
| 01:13:46 | jmhodges | #ln -s libpalmtopcenter.so.1.0.0 libpalmtopcenter.so.1 && |
| 01:13:46 | jmhodges | #ln -s libqt.so.3.0.3 libqt.so.3 |
| 01:13:49 | jmhodges | minus the #;s |
| 01:13:59 | CloudChaser | what does that do? |
| 01:14:09 | CloudChaser | and do i ahve to do that every time? |
| 01:14:38 | jmhodges | that makes symlinks and no |
| 01:14:49 | jmhodges | symlinks are like "super-shortcuts" |
| 01:14:59 | CloudChaser | where do i do that? |
| 01:15:02 | jmhodges | symbolic links is the full name |
| 01:15:07 | CloudChaser | from inside qtopia dir? |
| 01:15:35 | jmhodges | look in that dir for the files librsync.so.1, libpalmtopcenter.so.1 and libqt.so.3.0.3 |
| 01:15:44 | CloudChaser | yep i see them |
| 01:15:47 | jmhodges | if you are in the correct dir do those commands |
| 01:15:54 | jmhodges | you can do them separately too if you want |
| 01:15:55 | jmhodges | ie |
| 01:16:01 | jmhodges | ln -s librsync.so.1.0.0 librsync.so.1 |
| 01:16:06 | jmhodges | ln -s libpalmtopcenter.so.1.0.0 libpalmtopcenter.so.1 |
| 01:16:11 | jmhodges | ln -s libqt.so.3.0.3 libqt.so.3 |
| 01:16:18 | Com[Plex] | anyone nkow where I can find this? libXext.so.6 |
| 01:16:24 | Com[Plex] | how about icew, |
| 01:16:28 | Com[Plex] | icewm |
| 01:17:01 | jmhodges | /usr/X11R6/lib/libXext.so.6 |
| 01:17:01 | jmhodges | /usr/X11R6/lib/libXext.so.6.4 |
| 01:17:23 | jmhodges | ls -l /usr/X11R6/lib/libXext.so* |
| 01:17:24 | jmhodges | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 14 Apr 4 00:48 /usr/X11R6/lib/libXext.so -> libXext.so.6.4 |
| 01:17:24 | jmhodges | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 14 Apr 4 00:48 /usr/X11R6/lib/libXext.so.6 -> libXext.so.6.4 |
| 01:17:24 | jmhodges | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 72816 Apr 4 00:48 /usr/X11R6/lib/libXext.so.6.4 |
| 01:17:28 | codemnky | anyone know anything about "Sonicwall" firewall ? |
| 01:17:31 | jmhodges | Com[Plex]: see those? |
| 01:17:35 | Com[Plex] | :> |
| 01:17:38 | jmhodges | Com[Plex]: those be symlinks :) |
| 01:17:43 | Com[Plex] | yeah, but Im tring to use something on the Z |
| 01:17:56 | codemnky | thumbs up or down |
| 01:17:57 | Com[Plex] | hang on a sec, ill explain. |
| 01:18:06 | jmhodges | codemnky: nope sorry |
| 01:18:09 | CloudChaser | ok i did all that and got same message |
| 01:18:12 | jmhodges | Com[Plex]: uh.. dont ask me :) |
| 01:18:22 | jmhodges | CloudChaser: ? |
| 01:18:25 | jmhodges | hm.. |
| 01:18:32 | jmhodges | that should have cleared it up |
| 01:18:33 | jmhodges | ... |
| 01:20:28 | Com[Plex] | okay, im trying to use this scumm emulator on he Z, its written for the ipaq linux. |
| 01:20:48 | Com[Plex] | So, I need the X11 version with the x11 libs |
| 01:21:07 | Com[Plex] | I mean, the ipaq port with the x11libs and icewm |
| 01:21:19 | jmhodges | oh. |
| 01:21:32 | jmhodges | Com[Plex]: there are some dev guys around here somewhere :D |
| 01:21:43 | jmhodges | they can help point you in the right direction |
| 01:24:52 | Com[Plex] | coo |
| 01:25:13 | Com[Plex] | I gotta find icewm. - crazy that I see it every day, and now I cant find it |
| 01:25:21 | Com[Plex] | !ibot icewm |
| 01:25:52 | Com[Plex] | wtf ibot? |
| 01:25:57 | Com[Plex] | !ibot feed |
| 01:26:04 | Com[Plex] | weird |
| 01:26:10 | Com[Plex] | kicks ibot |
| 01:27:52 | Com[Plex] | well, icewm dissapeared |
| 01:28:05 | | Com[Plex] was last seen on #zaurus 7 seconds ago, saying: <private message> [Thu Jun 6 02:27:58 2002] |
| 01:28:05 | jmhodges | ibot seen Com[Plex]? |
| 01:29:40 | Com[Plex] | :> |
| 01:32:43 | Guru | hello all! |
| 01:32:58 | jmhodges | hello! |
| 01:33:06 | Guru | Anyone know the status of SDL on the Z? |
| 01:33:30 | Guru | I know it's been ported, but I understand the author was fixing some show stopper bugs. |
| 01:35:09 | Guru | Also, has the source been released yet? |
| 01:37:38 | Com[Plex] | hmm |
| 01:39:20 | CloudChaser | yay! it works :) thanks jm! :) |
| 01:58:15 | Com[Plex] | say, what are the options for the ln command? |
| 01:58:29 | Com[Plex] | I want to link to a file, but I think im missing a switch |
| 01:58:55 | Com[Plex] | ahh |
| 01:58:56 | Com[Plex] | nm |
| 01:58:58 | Com[Plex] | ln -s |
| 01:59:16 | CloudChaser | hehe i was just about to say i couldn't help you |
| 01:59:32 | jmhodges | can someone change the topic? its misleading ;) |
| 01:59:32 | CloudChaser | wb jm |
| 01:59:36 | jmhodges | hey |
| 01:59:40 | jmhodges | CloudChaser: when did you see me leave? |
| 01:59:42 | CloudChaser | there's no ops in her |
| 01:59:47 | jmhodges | thinks his xchat is fscked.. |
| 01:59:47 | CloudChaser | just a few minutes ago |
| 01:59:51 | jmhodges | hm.. |
| 01:59:53 | jmhodges | yep it is.. |
| 02:00:12 | CloudChaser | 21:57:17 |
| 02:00:20 | CloudChaser | its now 22:04:58 |
| 02:00:21 | jmhodges | yeah.. |
| 02:00:29 | jmhodges | that was an xchat thing then.. |
| 02:00:42 | jmhodges | CloudChaser: you know anything about iptables? |
| 02:01:05 | CloudChaser | nope not a thing except i shut them off |
| 02:01:10 | CloudChaser | or didn't turn them on |
| 02:01:41 | jmhodges | ah k |
| 02:02:20 | whardier | hrmphm |
| 02:02:58 | Wembly | herm. |
| 02:03:04 | Wembly | hunts down router guru |
| 02:03:10 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 02:03:15 | jmhodges | whardier: whats up? |
| 02:03:25 | jmhodges | Wembly: whats up [now]? |
| 02:03:43 | Wembly | jmhodges: same thats always been up |
| 02:03:51 | Wembly | i need to understand linux routing better. |
| 02:03:54 | jmhodges | ah.. |
| 02:03:55 | Wembly | herm. |
| 02:03:56 | jmhodges | well.. |
| 02:04:00 | jmhodges | dont we all :) |
| 02:04:19 | Wembly | i wonder if i can write something into libc or somewhere that'll allow an env variable to determine what interface a thing binds to hehe |
| 02:04:20 | jmhodges | if everyone knew taht we would all lead very happy lives :) |
| 02:05:29 | CloudChaser | what do you ant to know about routers? |
| 02:05:47 | CloudChaser | or is it linux routing you want to know? |
| 02:05:50 | Wembly | cloudchaser: i dunno itd take too long to explain anyhow |
| 02:06:11 | Wembly | cloudchaser: i dont wish to subnet my block of 16 ip's |
| 02:06:39 | CloudChaser | ok |
| 02:06:51 | Wembly | cloudchaser: so i could have one part of my subnet on one interface and another part of the block on another interface |
| 02:06:58 | Wembly | and it looks as tho it is all one interface. |
| 02:07:08 | Wembly | yet also maintain the routing for the inet. |
| 02:07:12 | Wembly | its all complicated :/ |
| 02:08:08 | CloudChaser | i'm not sure it would work |
| 02:08:39 | Wembly | its gotta work :) |
| 02:08:42 | Wembly | it'll work :) |
| 02:08:44 | CloudChaser | do you have a router? |
| 02:08:56 | Wembly | well the other interface is the usb0 :) |
| 02:09:17 | CloudChaser | linux will let you channel interfaces? |
| 02:09:47 | jmhodges | whatta ya mean? |
| 02:09:52 | Wembly | what does channel mean? |
| 02:10:14 | CloudChaser | make 2 interfaces act as one |
| 02:10:19 | CloudChaser | like on a switch |
| 02:10:23 | CloudChaser | you can do it |
| 02:10:37 | CloudChaser | takes special nics i believve |
| 02:12:58 | CloudChaser | routers can do it to, called multi-link ppp |
| 02:15:22 | CloudChaser | don't know about linux though...how to do it that is |
| 02:23:17 | ljp | whardier: ping |
| 02:23:38 | Wembly | i think its called bridging :) |
| 02:30:50 | CloudChaser | usually a bridge separates collision domains |
| 02:31:15 | whardier | hi |
| 02:31:16 | whardier | bonding |
| 02:31:19 | whardier | and EQL |
| 02:31:36 | whardier | is hacking a wireless network ona mountain ATM |
| 02:31:38 | whardier | sshhhh... |
| 02:31:56 | CloudChaser | hehe |
| 02:32:04 | whardier | the Colorado Wireless Exchange |
| 02:32:20 | whardier | they said I was not certified enough to get on their network |
| 02:32:25 | CloudChaser | haha |
| 02:32:25 | whardier | eth1 IEEE 802.11-DS ESSID:"ColoradoWirelessExchangeTestNet" Nickname:"deadbeaf" |
| 02:32:25 | whardier | Mode:Managed Frequency:2.437GHz Access Point: 00:40:96:26:52:6D |
| 02:32:25 | whardier | Bit Rate:2Mb/s Tx-Power=15 dBm Sensitivity:1/3 |
| 02:32:26 | whardier | Retry limit:4 RTS thr:off Fragment thr:off |
| 02:32:26 | whardier | Encryption key:off |
| 02:32:26 | whardier | Power Management:off |
| 02:32:28 | whardier | Link Quality:12/92 Signal level:-86 dBm Noise level:-99 dBm |
| 02:32:30 | whardier | Rx invalid nwid:0 Rx invalid crypt:20097 Rx invalid frag:7 |
| 02:32:32 | whardier | Tx excessive retries:2 Invalid misc:582 Missed beacon:0 |
| 02:32:34 | whardier | certify this a-holes |
| 02:32:37 | CloudChaser | you goingto prove them wrong eh |
| 02:32:38 | whardier | try to hide your essid from me |
| 02:32:40 | whardier | I have things you dont! |
| 02:32:40 | CloudChaser | haha |
| 02:32:42 | CloudChaser | lol |
| 02:32:52 | whardier | will force the transmit beacons with ping -f! |
| 02:34:03 | whardier | hehe |
| 02:34:45 | whardier | oh well |
| 02:34:48 | whardier | moves his shit inside |
| 02:34:50 | whardier | another time |
| 02:34:51 | whardier | another day |
| 02:36:05 | CloudChaser | hehe |
| 02:36:27 | CloudChaser | so how far are you from that point? |
| 02:37:10 | ljp | probably about 20 feet |
| 02:37:57 | CloudChaser | from the colorado network? |
| 02:41:47 | whardier | err |
| 02:41:47 | whardier | hmm |
| 02:41:51 | whardier | about 7 miles |
| 02:42:31 | CloudChaser | hehe one of these days i'll get the wireless sniffer going |
| 02:42:35 | CloudChaser | its on my todo list ;) |
| 02:42:51 | whardier | well it works on the Z |
| 02:42:59 | CloudChaser | got my battery pack now so i can get a few extra hours out of the z |
| 02:43:00 | whardier | and I sorta have some patches to orinoco_cs to help do that |
| 02:43:16 | whardier | which reminds me |
| 02:43:24 | CloudChaser | i've been following the thread...just have a big list of to-do |
| 02:43:31 | ljp | anybody know how to write html code? |
| 02:43:33 | CloudChaser | i need an sd card next |
| 02:43:34 | warmi | that's what happens when you hang out with Linux geeks ... you get into sniffing and all kinds of other weirds stuff |
| 02:43:40 | whardier | ljp.. whats up |
| 02:43:49 | CloudChaser | hehe well i've used sniffer..wired |
| 02:43:55 | whardier | yeah thats fun as well |
| 02:44:01 | CloudChaser | haven't tried the wireless |
| 02:44:38 | CloudChaser | and i suppose i'm a geek of sorts...just a linux noob |
| 02:44:43 | ljp | Ima gonna add a opie page |
| 02:44:48 | warmi | heh |
| 02:44:48 | CloudChaser | ;) |
| 02:45:19 | whardier | beat |
| 02:45:21 | whardier | err |
| 02:45:21 | whardier | neat |
| 02:45:23 | whardier | man |
| 02:45:26 | whardier | I have a hacker headache |
| 02:45:30 | CloudChaser | hehe |
| 02:45:36 | whardier | too much smoking |
| 02:45:38 | whardier | too much paranoia |
| 02:45:42 | whardier | then again |
| 02:45:43 | whardier | haha |
| 02:45:57 | ljp | heh feel lazy, so I'm going to check out moz 1 composer and see what kinda horse poop code is generates, and then clean it up |
| 02:46:01 | whardier | with a mac like 00:04:DE:AD:BE:EF |
| 02:46:05 | whardier | who could catch me? |
| 02:46:27 | whardier | err |
| 02:46:30 | whardier | ljp you funk |
| 02:46:30 | CloudChaser | hehe |
| 02:46:46 | whardier | well |
| 02:46:52 | whardier | with all the rearranging I did of arp shit |
| 02:46:59 | whardier | CWX should be confused for a while |
| 02:47:08 | whardier | and quite possibly overlooking DEADBEEF |
| 02:47:13 | ljp | well, at least I started out in emacs... |
| 02:47:13 | CloudChaser | lol |
| 02:47:29 | whardier | wireless is soo insecure |
| 02:47:40 | whardier | which is why I fixed that quite a bit |
| 02:47:47 | CloudChaser | yes it is |
| 02:47:57 | whardier | turn off everything including arp |
| 02:48:01 | whardier | open 1 port |
| 02:48:06 | ljp | tesla |
| 02:48:08 | whardier | allow 1 mac to go into that port |
| 02:48:18 | whardier | and vtun the two connections |
| 02:48:46 | whardier | all any sniffer would see is a big udp tunnel |
| 02:48:55 | whardier | wanna know something sicker |
| 02:48:59 | CloudChaser | sure |
| 02:49:01 | whardier | with ananas I can have no ip |
| 02:49:03 | whardier | on the interfaces |
| 02:49:10 | CloudChaser | but i'd like to know how you did that tunnel ;) |
| 02:49:19 | whardier | then establish a proprietary broadcast interface |
| 02:49:26 | whardier | and use the ips you give those |
| 02:49:30 | whardier | its uber mcfucking secure |
| 02:49:36 | whardier | like.. sure.. hack me.. |
| 02:49:38 | whardier | c'mon |
| 02:49:40 | whardier | I DARE YOU! |
| 02:49:44 | whardier | tunnels are easy |
| 02:49:44 | whardier | now |
| 02:49:45 | whardier | haha |
| 02:49:57 | whardier | I didn't know how easy they were like 3 months ago |
| 02:50:00 | whardier | spam |
| 02:50:01 | whardier | spam |
| 02:50:01 | whardier | spam |
| 02:50:07 | whardier | is a little chattybox |
| 02:50:28 | whardier | err |
| 02:50:28 | jmhodges | bitchslaps the little chattybox |
| 02:50:28 | whardier | brb |
| 02:50:29 | CloudChaser | hehe its ok |
| 02:50:35 | jmhodges | :) |
| 02:50:37 | whardier | I have to change backbones |
| 02:50:38 | whardier | haha |
| 02:53:00 | jmhodges | ping |
| 02:53:08 | whardier | pong |
| 02:53:54 | whardier | hmmpmh |
| 02:53:58 | whardier | my dns already rolled over |
| 02:53:59 | whardier | damnit |
| 02:55:19 | whardier | bye |
| 02:56:20 | ljp | dusts off cubase, and ponders if it will ever run on the z... |
| 02:56:42 | jmhodges | i believer there is an ipkg isnt there? |
| 02:56:47 | jmhodges | thought he saw one.. |
| 03:22:05 | whardier | la |
| 03:37:07 | jmhodges | how can i install an ipkg in a local folder? |
| 03:37:21 | jmhodges | is it just through Add/Remove Applications? |
| 03:38:23 | Wembly | jmhodges: what do you mean in a local folder? |
| 03:39:01 | jmhodges | like in Documents |
| 03:39:07 | jmhodges | ..hrm.. |
| 03:39:13 | jmhodges | is dhcpcd installed by default? |
| 03:40:31 | jmhodges | Wembly: did you use dhcp in your Z ? |
| 03:41:06 | glennn | hi |
| 03:42:03 | glennn | bye |
| 03:42:17 | jmhodges | ping |
| 03:42:41 | bill2or3 | gnip |
| 03:43:14 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 03:43:35 | whardier | buils OZ |
| 03:43:40 | whardier | builds even |
| 03:43:45 | whardier | I wanna add a few things to the feeeed |
| 03:45:02 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 03:45:08 | jmhodges | whardier: what feed? |
| 03:46:53 | ljp | scripts? |
| 03:47:30 | whardier | no some more apps |
| 03:47:32 | whardier | like vtund |
| 03:47:33 | whardier | and ananas |
| 03:47:40 | whardier | and alter a few other things |
| 03:47:44 | whardier | like the kernel |
| 03:47:53 | whardier | and oh.. add X |
| 03:48:22 | whardier | in most cases a vncviewer would suffice |
| 03:48:43 | ljp | x and icewm |
| 03:48:54 | whardier | matchbox |
| 03:51:50 | ljp | scary player -> http://llornkcor.com/opie.html |
| 03:53:47 | whardier | keypebble only supports 8 bit? |
| 03:55:03 | ljp | keypebble? |
| 03:55:07 | whardier | the vnc viewer |
| 03:55:25 | treke|home | matchbox rocks |
| 03:55:41 | ljp | I dunno, ask fastolfe |
| 04:00:28 | whardier | hey |
| 04:00:34 | whardier | I thinkmy tooth hole finally hurts |
| 04:00:41 | whardier | downs some meds |
| 04:00:55 | NeoTron | is away: I'm busy |
| 04:01:05 | NeoTron | is back (gone 00:00:01) |
| 04:01:45 | whardier | NeoTron: another quicky with the woman? |
| 04:01:48 | jmhodges | LOL |
| 04:01:51 | jmhodges | nhudson: you rock |
| 04:01:54 | nhudson | :) |
| 04:01:56 | whardier | heh |
| 04:02:00 | whardier | welcom |
| 04:02:01 | nhudson | heh im just here to watch |
| 04:02:02 | whardier | e |
| 04:02:14 | whardier | wanna watch me compile OZ? |
| 04:02:27 | jmhodges | alright folks.. |
| 04:02:38 | whardier | thinks ljp might freak if he saw what I do with X running on a PDA |
| 04:02:47 | jmhodges | who here used dhcp to get their Z on the net? |
| 04:02:52 | whardier | err |
| 04:02:54 | whardier | me |
| 04:02:56 | whardier | I suppose |
| 04:02:59 | whardier | on the localnet |
| 04:03:05 | whardier | it sorta takes care of the other part too |
| 04:03:11 | whardier | but one is more important than the other |
| 04:03:13 | whardier | :P |
| 04:03:25 | jmhodges | whardier: can you help me otu here.. |
| 04:03:38 | jmhodges | nhudson was helping me out but he doesnt have a Z :P |
| 04:03:40 | NeoTron | whardier: hehe |
| 04:03:44 | whardier | heh |
| 04:03:51 | whardier | whats with having a Z or not? |
| 04:04:05 | whardier | what interface are you trying to get working? |
| 04:04:08 | jmhodges | well.. i was asking questions about needing stuff in the gui section |
| 04:04:15 | whardier | oh |
| 04:04:17 | whardier | haha |
| 04:04:20 | whardier | screw that |
| 04:04:23 | jmhodges | ppp0 to the outside net and usb0 for internal |
| 04:04:28 | whardier | terminal -> dhcpcd wlan0 |
| 04:04:29 | whardier | heh |
| 04:04:30 | jmhodges | whardier: hehe |
| 04:04:37 | jmhodges | wlan0.. oh.. |
| 04:04:38 | whardier | I would atleast test it that way first |
| 04:04:41 | jmhodges | interesting |
| 04:04:43 | ljp | interface.. ya whatever happened to that clear text stuff, eh? |
| 04:04:51 | whardier | feh |
| 04:04:53 | jmhodges | whardier: what would i type in for myself? |
| 04:04:58 | whardier | that sounds easy eh |
| 04:05:02 | jmhodges | dhcpcd usb0 or ppp0? |
| 04:05:09 | whardier | jmhodges do you have chubby digits or something>? |
| 04:05:19 | whardier | I dunno |
| 04:05:19 | jmhodges | uh.. |
| 04:05:22 | whardier | do an ifconfig -a |
| 04:05:27 | whardier | that shows all the devices |
| 04:05:31 | whardier | find out which one you need |
| 04:05:39 | jmhodges | ack.. |
| 04:05:50 | whardier | ifconfig -a | grep Link |
| 04:05:55 | jmhodges | hm.. |
| 04:06:12 | jmhodges | ah i guess i fscked both ends here.. |
| 04:06:14 | whardier | ljp cleartext would be uber smootth |
| 04:06:21 | whardier | but I don't know where the font rendering functions are |
| 04:06:51 | whardier | that and uh |
| 04:06:58 | whardier | most of the fonts on the z are not anti-aliased |
| 04:07:03 | whardier | so the point |
| 04:07:04 | whardier | dare I say |
| 04:07:06 | whardier | is MOOOOT! |
| 04:07:21 | ljp | you mean mute |
| 04:07:25 | whardier | MOOOOOOT! |
| 04:07:29 | codemnky | put the drugs down whardier |
| 04:07:35 | codemnky | just say no |
| 04:07:49 | ljp | which reminds me.. I hear arum calling |
| 04:11:32 | whardier | dude |
| 04:11:35 | whardier | I soo wanna do drugs |
| 04:11:43 | whardier | NOT! |
| 04:11:46 | tux_mike | well, why don't you then? |
| 04:11:50 | whardier | is clean as a whistle |
| 04:11:52 | ljp | they aint good fer ya |
| 04:12:16 | tux_mike | nope, they sure arent. |
| 04:12:43 | tux_mike | never touches them |
| 04:14:45 | jmhodges | whardier: i apparently dont know hwo to make a subnet for usb0 |
| 04:15:43 | whardier | is a bot |
| 04:15:50 | whardier | jmhodges ? |
| 04:15:54 | whardier | what are you trying |
| 04:15:58 | whardier | that would be helpfull to know |
| 04:16:48 | whardier | aww man I love watching glibc compile |
| 04:16:54 | whardier | I need a bed in my office |
| 04:16:55 | whardier | damnit |
| 04:16:59 | whardier | maybe I should do that tonight |
| 04:17:05 | jmhodges | whardier: i am trying to let Z share my net connection with my pc.. my pc uses ppp0 for its connection.. i use usb0 to connect the Z and the pc .. i treid iptables but i kept falling flat .. i tried dhcpd and im running into the problems i am haviing now |
| 04:17:06 | whardier | mive my bed right up to my desk |
| 04:17:16 | ljp | I have a bed in the office.. its called the bedroom |
| 04:17:21 | whardier | heh |
| 04:17:26 | jmhodges | hehee |
| 04:17:38 | whardier | jmhodges your desktop is using ppp0 to connect to the Z? |
| 04:17:47 | whardier | and your Z is using usb0? |
| 04:17:52 | whardier | those two don't match |
| 04:18:18 | whardier | I don't have a lot of experience doing wired connections of the Z either |
| 04:18:26 | whardier | so you might wanna become a Wiki master |
| 04:18:31 | jmhodges | no sorry .. my desktop is using ppp0 to access the net .. the Z and the pc are using usb0 to connect to each other.. my syncing is fine its just geting the net to my Z that is the problem |
| 04:18:36 | jmhodges | whardier: :) |
| 04:18:49 | whardier | oooh |
| 04:18:51 | whardier | syncing is fine |
| 04:18:57 | whardier | well the thing is |
| 04:19:00 | whardier | getting your Z to the net |
| 04:19:02 | whardier | using iptables? |
| 04:19:14 | jmhodges | well i tried that and fell on my face |
| 04:19:17 | whardier | haha |
| 04:19:18 | jmhodges | ...hard |
| 04:19:19 | whardier | I will help |
| 04:19:23 | whardier | first off.. do an iptables-save |
| 04:19:23 | jmhodges | thank you |
| 04:19:25 | whardier | what does it output? |
| 04:19:47 | jmhodges | want the output? |
| 04:19:50 | jmhodges | its a lot.. |
| 04:19:51 | whardier | how long is it? |
| 04:20:06 | whardier | err.. just send it to me in a query |
| 04:20:07 | whardier | hehe |
| 04:20:08 | jmhodges | so long i really wanna query you or go to #flood |
| 04:20:17 | whardier | go ahead and query me |
| 04:20:29 | whardier | do you have other machines using iptables? |
| 04:20:57 | ljp | I spillt some wax on an iptable once... |
| 04:21:03 | whardier | haha |
| 04:21:50 | whardier | jmhodges you certainly do blackhole a lot of shit |
| 04:21:59 | jmhodges | nope |
| 04:22:01 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 04:22:04 | whardier | whats the drop-reserved? |
| 04:22:10 | jmhodges | whardier: yeah.. i was using some modified scripts.. |
| 04:22:12 | whardier | IS THAT ALL YOU GOT! |
| 04:22:16 | jmhodges | hehehe |
| 04:22:25 | jmhodges | want the latest script i tried? |
| 04:22:26 | whardier | I have seen longer iptables-save's from babys! |
| 04:22:30 | whardier | iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o ppp0 -j MASQUERADE |
| 04:22:31 | whardier | type that |
| 04:22:31 | jmhodges | lol |
| 04:22:48 | whardier | then as root "echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward" |
| 04:22:55 | ljp | I really wish I had the .avi of this -> http://llornkcor.com/video/title.ram |
| 04:23:03 | whardier | then it might also be a good idea to tell me what ip's you have on your localnet for everything |
| 04:23:04 | whardier | haha |
| 04:23:12 | whardier | ljp wan't me to convert it? |
| 04:23:14 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 04:23:29 | jmhodges | whardier: 192.168.129.201 is the Z, .200 is the PC |
| 04:23:37 | whardier | no other machines on the network? |
| 04:23:40 | jmhodges | nope |
| 04:23:43 | whardier | cool |
| 04:23:47 | whardier | did you issue the iptables command |
| 04:23:48 | whardier | ? |
| 04:23:49 | ljp | heh... thats ok.. I was hoping to foind the better quality file... |
| 04:24:01 | jmhodges | whardier: yep and the ip_forward enable command |
| 04:24:05 | whardier | ok |
| 04:24:09 | jmhodges | whardier: er.. i mean the echo 1 > |
| 04:24:12 | whardier | ok |
| 04:24:19 | whardier | on the z |
| 04:24:33 | whardier | do a route add default gw 192.168.129.200 |
| 04:24:39 | jmhodges | busts out his stylus |
| 04:24:43 | whardier | haha |
| 04:24:57 | ljp | well, mozilla composer hasn't crashed on me yet....... whats up with that?! |
| 04:24:59 | whardier | damn glibc takes a while |
| 04:25:00 | jmhodges | gets ready to blast a mad cap in his Z's ass |
| 04:25:02 | whardier | even at -j 8 |
| 04:25:08 | jmhodges | stops pretending to be a gangsta |
| 04:25:12 | whardier | good deal |
| 04:25:13 | whardier | heh |
| 04:25:24 | whardier | you gui master you! |
| 04:25:31 | jmhodges | lol |
| 04:25:33 | jmhodges | hey now! |
| 04:25:36 | whardier | this word left intentionaly blank |
| 04:25:59 | jmhodges | just cause i underestimated the hackerly abilities of the Z does not make me a gui master ;) |
| 04:26:36 | Wembly | jmhodges: herm? |
| 04:26:38 | whardier | naw I was yappering at LJP for using a gui HTML tool |
| 04:26:46 | Wembly | whardier: try it at -j -l 10 :) |
| 04:26:53 | whardier | Wembly :P |
| 04:26:56 | jmhodges | gw: host name lookup failure |
| 04:27:05 | whardier | haha |
| 04:27:08 | Wembly | herm. |
| 04:27:09 | jmhodges | ? |
| 04:27:15 | whardier | are you using Open Zaurus jmhodges ? |
| 04:27:18 | Wembly | i need to figure out why snmp dosnt like me. |
| 04:27:19 | jmhodges | um..no |
| 04:27:22 | whardier | damn.. otherwise you could just ssh in |
| 04:27:26 | jmhodges | i know.. |
| 04:27:33 | jmhodges | i really want sshd on this thing |
| 04:27:43 | jmhodges | but since its all ipkg stuff... |
| 04:27:44 | whardier | patience |
| 04:27:51 | Wembly | jmhodges: why cant you? |
| 04:27:53 | jmhodges | meditates |
| 04:28:00 | whardier | can you ping .200 from .201? |
| 04:28:10 | jmhodges | smacks his forehead |
| 04:28:14 | Wembly | hehe |
| 04:28:21 | jmhodges | i forgot to run my little ifconfig script |
| 04:28:21 | Wembly | whardier: darn nat screwed me over on that one :) |
| 04:28:24 | jmhodges | specifically |
| 04:28:29 | whardier | kicks jmhodges |
| 04:28:34 | jmhodges | ifconfig usb0 192.168.129.200 netmask 255.255.255.255 up && |
| 04:28:35 | jmhodges | route add -host 192.168.129.201 usb0 |
| 04:28:47 | jmhodges | there.. |
| 04:28:48 | jmhodges | jesus |
| 04:28:53 | jmhodges | kicks himself |
| 04:28:56 | whardier | ok |
| 04:28:56 | whardier | well |
| 04:28:58 | whardier | is it working now>? |
| 04:29:15 | jmhodges | hold on |
| 04:29:17 | Wembly | hehe |
| 04:29:23 | whardier | hols on to jmhodges |
| 04:29:25 | Wembly | jmhodges: you should setup hotplug |
| 04:29:28 | whardier | are we there yet! |
| 04:29:39 | jmhodges | no it didnt work.. |
| 04:29:45 | jmhodges | dammit |
| 04:29:47 | jmhodges | hold on.. |
| 04:29:59 | Wembly | how is the MAC address determined on usb0? |
| 04:30:01 | jmhodges | FSCK |
| 04:30:18 | Wembly | ugh |
| 04:30:18 | jmhodges | of fscking course now it wants to fail on me |
| 04:30:29 | Wembly | new device not accepting new address=30 |
| 04:30:30 | Wembly | wtf? |
| 04:30:36 | jmhodges | this has happened to me before.. but i dont know how i fixed it.. |
| 04:30:37 | whardier | Wembly by the ip you assign it |
| 04:30:37 | jmhodges | jesus |
| 04:30:44 | Wembly | whardier: herm? |
| 04:30:48 | Wembly | whardier: what do you mean? |
| 04:31:14 | whardier | you assign it 10.21.0.1 |
| 04:31:14 | jmhodges | ok let me try this again |
| 04:31:19 | Wembly | jmhodges: usb device not being recognized? |
| 04:31:22 | jmhodges | nope no good |
| 04:31:27 | jmhodges | Wembly: no its wokring now.. |
| 04:31:30 | jmhodges | sigh.. |
| 04:31:30 | whardier | then the last four digits are of the ip address |
| 04:31:30 | Wembly | whardier: why would i assign it 10.21.0.1? |
| 04:31:37 | whardier | you just would if you were me1 |
| 04:31:37 | Wembly | wha? |
| 04:31:42 | Wembly | *is confused* |
| 04:31:42 | whardier | kicks Wembly |
| 04:31:46 | whardier | bettar! |
| 04:32:04 | Wembly | whardier: whyd you kcik me? |
| 04:32:05 | Wembly | :P |
| 04:32:12 | whardier | because you got confused |
| 04:32:17 | jmhodges | whardier: i can ping it but it cant ping me.. |
| 04:32:30 | whardier | jmhodges err.. the Z cannot ping the host? |
| 04:32:33 | Wembly | *sigh* this stupid usbdnet driver sucks :( |
| 04:32:38 | jmhodges | yes |
| 04:32:44 | whardier | whats the interface on the host |
| 04:32:46 | whardier | usbd0? |
| 04:32:47 | whardier | err |
| 04:32:49 | whardier | 'usb0 |
| 04:32:58 | jmhodges | GOT IT |
| 04:33:02 | whardier | finally! |
| 04:33:05 | jmhodges | edited some gui bs |
| 04:33:09 | jmhodges | ARGH.. |
| 04:33:13 | Wembly | why wtf is device not accepting new address supposed to mean? |
| 04:33:31 | jmhodges | uh.. |
| 04:33:32 | whardier | jmhodges all working? |
| 04:33:36 | jmhodges | but the route add doesnt |
| 04:33:42 | whardier | dude |
| 04:33:44 | jmhodges | bashes his head against his desk |
| 04:33:48 | whardier | quit it |
| 04:34:01 | whardier | I never ever thought I would say this |
| 04:34:05 | Wembly | hehe |
| 04:34:07 | whardier | BUT YOU ARE ALL A BUNCH OF CHILDREN! |
| 04:34:07 | jmhodges | what?! |
| 04:34:10 | Wembly | hahahaha |
| 04:34:11 | jmhodges | argh.. |
| 04:34:12 | whardier | bbl.. going to the sandbox |
| 04:34:17 | jmhodges | :( |
| 04:34:18 | Wembly | whardier: have fun |
| 04:34:18 | jmhodges | damn |
| 04:34:20 | whardier | haha |
| 04:34:21 | jmhodges | seeya |
| 04:34:22 | whardier | no no |
| 04:34:24 | whardier | no |
| 04:34:27 | whardier | jmhodges :P |
| 04:34:30 | jmhodges | :P |
| 04:34:35 | whardier | route -n |
| 04:34:40 | whardier | whats the output of that on the host |
| 04:34:55 | Wembly | whardier: know of anyone thats fixing the bugs in usbdnet? |
| 04:35:07 | whardier | nope |
| 04:35:12 | whardier | jmhodges what about on the Z now |
| 04:35:17 | Wembly | herm. |
| 04:35:20 | whardier | hehe |
| 04:35:26 | whardier | watches jmhodges type away |
| 04:35:27 | Wembly | i take it usb_control/bulk_msg: timeout |
| 04:35:30 | Wembly | is not a good thing hehe |
| 04:35:55 | | codemnky: excuse me? |
| 04:35:55 | codemnky | ibot spank whardier |
| 04:36:03 | whardier | codemnky spank ibot |
| 04:36:07 | whardier | damn bots never listen |
| 04:36:10 | jmhodges | 192.168.129.0 0.0.0.0 usbd0 255.255.255.0 |
| 04:36:17 | jmhodges | lol |
| 04:36:23 | whardier | thats the only route? |
| 04:36:30 | jmhodges | yep |
| 04:36:42 | Wembly | route add default gw 192.168.129.200 |
| 04:36:44 | whardier | route add -net 0.0.0.0 gw 192.168.129.200 |
| 04:36:52 | Wembly | you must do that if you want net access. |
| 04:36:54 | whardier | fucking sharp |
| 04:36:59 | Wembly | or |
| 04:37:01 | Wembly | you can use dhcp |
| 04:37:07 | whardier | kicks Wembly |
| 04:37:08 | Wembly | err a dhcp server |
| 04:37:14 | whardier | actually.. |
| 04:37:16 | Wembly | on the pc hehe |
| 04:37:19 | Wembly | not on the zaurus |
| 04:37:20 | whardier | that sounds like a hella better idea |
| 04:37:24 | jmhodges | ARGH |
| 04:37:25 | Wembly | useing dhcp? |
| 04:37:25 | whardier | jmhodges what distro you running |
| 04:37:25 | Wembly | yea |
| 04:37:33 | Wembly | i wish it mentioned it in the little howto |
| 04:37:35 | jmhodges | keeps going from iptables to dhcp and back again |
| 04:37:38 | Wembly | but i dunno howto get in touch with the author |
| 04:37:41 | jmhodges | whardier: lunar linux |
| 04:37:45 | whardier | jmhodges iptables is not dhcp |
| 04:37:49 | Wembly | jmhodges: dhcp dosnt mean you dont need iptables |
| 04:37:49 | whardier | dhcp is just for assigning addresses |
| 04:37:55 | whardier | iptables actually routes the shit (sorta) |
| 04:38:07 | jmhodges | whardier: Wembly: sigh.. i meant.. of you can sort it out |
| 04:38:10 | whardier | iptables will allow you to MASQ the connection |
| 04:38:14 | Wembly | jmhodges: dhcp is a way to assign ip/dns/routing info |
| 04:38:20 | whardier | its happy! |
| 04:38:25 | whardier | I like it as much as burritos! |
| 04:38:32 | jmhodges | sigh.. yes i knwo .. but i keep going from onlyiptables to dhcp and iptables and back again |
| 04:38:46 | jmhodges | just lrm'd dhcp too.. |
| 04:38:46 | Wembly | jmhodges: why dont you just stick with dhcp? |
| 04:38:48 | jmhodges | fsck.. |
| 04:39:00 | Wembly | why'd you go away from dhcp? |
| 04:39:00 | jmhodges | Wembly: i will .. if i get help |
| 04:39:00 | whardier | haha |
| 04:39:08 | whardier | is dhcpd installed? |
| 04:39:19 | Wembly | whardier: you wanta know the scary thing? |
| 04:39:30 | whardier | Wembly wanna know something scarier? |
| 04:39:34 | whardier | oh wait |
| 04:39:37 | whardier | you go first |
| 04:39:37 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 04:39:40 | whardier | and then I wanna hit you |
| 04:39:42 | whardier | for some reason |
| 04:39:44 | whardier | OH YAH |
| 04:39:46 | jmhodges | ROFL |
| 04:39:47 | Wembly | whardier: well the zaurus dhcpd server. |
| 04:39:52 | whardier | usb0 and dhcp will not make good bed buddies! |
| 04:40:03 | Wembly | whardier: shure they will :) |
| 04:40:09 | whardier | otay |
| 04:40:12 | jmhodges | Wembly: you did it didnt you? |
| 04:40:13 | Wembly | just do a restart on the thing when the interface goes up :) |
| 04:40:20 | jmhodges | ok |
| 04:40:26 | whardier | Wembly give him your damn config then |
| 04:40:31 | jmhodges | you two.. you get to be my think tanks |
| 04:40:31 | Wembly | hehe |
| 04:40:38 | jmhodges | er.. tank |
| 04:40:38 | Wembly | its debian tho :/ |
| 04:40:44 | Wembly | useing ipupdown. |
| 04:40:50 | whardier | so |
| 04:40:55 | whardier | I use debian |
| 04:40:56 | Wembly | err ifupdown sorry |
| 04:41:03 | whardier | here |
| 04:41:04 | whardier | hold on jmhodges |
| 04:41:05 | jmhodges | ifupdown? |
| 04:41:06 | jmhodges | wtf? |
| 04:41:09 | jmhodges | ok.. |
| 04:41:12 | jmhodges | holds |
| 04:41:15 | Wembly | ugh |
| 04:41:19 | whardier | relaxes as jmhodges holds |
| 04:41:21 | Wembly | why does it say send request rejected? :/ |
| 04:41:32 | jmhodges | flys around making little circles over the chatport |
| 04:41:36 | whardier | err |
| 04:41:39 | whardier | wait a gold damnm inuto |
| 04:41:45 | Wembly | oh wait duh |
| 04:41:45 | Wembly | hehe |
| 04:41:50 | jmhodges | get it? get it? "holding.. pattern?" LOL |
| 04:42:40 | Wembly | *sigh* |
| 04:42:41 | Wembly | hold |
| 04:43:37 | Wemb | *sigh* |
| 04:43:54 | jmhodges | Wemb: sorry |
| 04:44:13 | Wemb | get the dcc sends? |
| 04:44:35 | jmhodges | nope please try again.. |
| 04:44:41 | jmhodges | xchat reverted to an old config.. |
| 04:45:14 | Wemb | there |
| 04:45:39 | Wemb | get the files? |
| 04:45:54 | Wembly | jmhodges: hello? |
| 04:46:00 | Wemb | anyhow |
| 04:46:18 | jmhodges | dammit no. sorry disracted |
| 04:46:22 | Wemb | here |
| 04:46:26 | whardier | haha |
| 04:46:32 | whardier | jmhodges takes speeeed pilllzz |
| 04:46:45 | Wembly | http://<myip>/~wembly/interfaces |
| 04:46:49 | Wembly | http://<myip>/~wembly/dhcpd.conf |
| 04:47:30 | jmhodges | Wembly: sorry.. |
| 04:47:33 | Wembly | np |
| 04:47:44 | jmhodges | what is your ip? |
| 04:47:46 | Wembly | my fingers just hurt :/ |
| 04:47:51 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 04:47:57 | Wembly | do a whois on me :P |
| 04:48:05 | Wembly | err |
| 04:48:10 | Wembly | 216.162.113.161 |
| 04:48:10 | whardier | your a black panther? |
| 04:48:11 | Wembly | sorry |
| 04:48:31 | Wembly | whardier: mrow? ;) |
| 04:48:42 | whardier | my cat beckons for your sex Wembly |
| 04:48:50 | Wembly | whyfor? |
| 04:49:46 | whardier | you mrow |
| 04:49:48 | Wembly | ugh why would the usb device reject the new address? |
| 04:49:49 | whardier | just like she does |
| 04:49:54 | whardier | when she is soo hornie! |
| 04:49:55 | jmhodges | lol |
| 04:51:19 | LarryGarfield | Ok, OZ is beginning to annoy me. |
| 04:51:45 | Wembly | herm. |
| 04:52:02 | LarryGarfield | Hi Dave. |
| 04:52:06 | Com[Plex] | wembly, if you replaced <myip> with ?+ $ip ?+ it weould ahve filled it in for ya |
| 04:52:10 | Com[Plex] | //say http:// $+ $ip $+ /bleh |
| 04:52:22 | jmhodges | um.. |
| 04:52:24 | Wembly | com: umm.... that entails speical clients. |
| 04:52:26 | jmhodges | interesting |
| 04:53:03 | Com[Plex] | lol,. you dont think thats a special client? |
| 04:53:08 | Wembly | well |
| 04:53:14 | Com[Plex] | [00:56] [Wembly VERSION reply]: ircII 4.4Z+ScrollZ 1.8m (15.10.2001)+Cdcc v1.8+OperMods v1.0 by acidflash - Feel the power! |
| 04:53:17 | Com[Plex] | ehhe |
| 04:53:19 | Wembly | its a speical client in the sense that its not a generic pos client. |
| 04:53:55 | whardier | goes to pet a horny kitten |
| 04:54:00 | Com[Plex] | so it doesnt have that sort of stuff in it. |
| 04:54:11 | Wembly | anyhow |
| 04:54:24 | jmhodges | ok Wembly |
| 04:54:28 | jmhodges | ok .. |
| 04:54:32 | LarryGarfield | SO does not want to know, whardier. |
| 04:54:42 | Com[Plex] | say, does anyone know where I can find the icewm for the zaurus? |
| 04:54:43 | Wembly | com: it also dosnt help that im on a diff box and forgot about it hehe |
| 04:55:05 | Com[Plex] | :) |
| 04:55:07 | LarryGarfield | That would do it. |
| 04:55:33 | LarryGarfield | OK, does OZ with-all-RAM-as-RAM not mount the SD card at all? |
| 04:55:50 | W|GGL|T | damn...zz is still down |
| 04:56:05 | LarryGarfield | It's been working here. |
| 04:56:10 | NeoTron | LarryGarfield: heya |
| 04:56:30 | jmhodges | i just want you to know whardier... i-i love you.. |
| 04:56:33 | jmhodges | there i said it |
| 04:56:36 | LarryGarfield | Dave: You played with OZ at all? It's giving me trouble. |
| 04:56:49 | jmhodges | excuse me.. i got something in my eye.. |
| 04:56:49 | W|GGL|T | Sorry, the boards are offline at the moment |
| 04:56:52 | W|GGL|T | still getting that |
| 04:56:56 | NeoTron | I installed it once and it thought I had 64 MB of memory |
| 04:57:06 | LarryGarfield | I wish. :-) |
| 04:57:08 | NeoTron | was hell on earth trying to get rid of it because I only had 32 MB (obviously) |
| 04:57:23 | NeoTron | so when I tried copying the old rom image to the CF (using ssh) it kept locking up |
| 04:57:34 | NeoTron | (disk cache -> outside real memory -> dead) |
| 04:58:04 | LarryGarfield | It's claiming that "device is full". My best guess is that it isn't mounting the SD card to /mnt/card, especially since the default location for it is malformed in the installer applet. |
| 04:58:43 | W|GGL|T | ok...zz is up but the forum part is down |
| 04:58:57 | LarryGarfield | W|GGL|T: They've not moved the archives over yet, according to Jason. |
| 04:59:08 | LarryGarfield | Hm. OK, I'm going to try reflashing this bugger again. |
| 04:59:10 | W|GGL|T | ahh |
| 04:59:35 | LarryGarfield | Question: How long should I leave the steak I'm cooking in? :-) It's a fairly think steak, at 400 F. |
| 04:59:40 | LarryGarfield | is not the greatest cook in the world. |
| 05:00:06 | W|GGL|T | some people like it still kicking :o) |
| 05:00:20 | LarryGarfield | Medium well. :-) |
| 05:00:58 | codemnky | you guys have time to answer a firewall question |
| 05:03:02 | jmhodges | whardier is the man .. not The Man ..but the man |
| 05:03:21 | jmhodges | oh and the Ethernet-over-USB HOWTO is filled with bs.. |
| 05:03:23 | jmhodges | :) |
| 05:03:31 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 05:03:33 | jmhodges | one fscking line fucked me over for two days |
| 05:03:37 | W|GGL|T | worked for me :oP |
| 05:03:46 | jmhodges | If you don't see this, try to push the sync button on the craddle, it should help ! |
| 05:03:46 | jmhodges | now do ifconfig -a |
| 05:03:46 | jmhodges | you should see a new ethernet interface ( probably usb0 ), you can now configure it : |
| 05:03:46 | jmhodges | ifconfig usb0 192.168.129.200 netmask 255.255.255.255 up |
| 05:03:46 | jmhodges | route add -host 192.168.129.201 usb0 |
| 05:03:51 | jmhodges | thats from the HOWTO |
| 05:04:04 | jmhodges | he doesnt say where to do it.. and to any newb that seems ok |
| 05:04:15 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 05:04:23 | jmhodges | obviously now that i know something about it i can see the errro |
| 05:04:29 | W|GGL|T | email him |
| 05:04:33 | [DrEvil] | yay |
| 05:04:34 | jmhodges | but I originally ran that on my fucking comp.. |
| 05:04:39 | [DrEvil] | the Z and Kismet on T4echTV |
| 05:05:11 | W|GGL|T | the Z is on TechTV? |
| 05:05:13 | jmhodges | W|GGL|T: i would if bgsu.edu didnt crap all over evolution... sigh.. guess ill load up the webmail... |
| 05:05:17 | jmhodges | [DrEvil]: info? |
| 05:05:23 | whardier | well |
| 05:05:29 | whardier | I have hacked 2 wireless networks today |
| 05:05:33 | jmhodges | lol |
| 05:05:34 | [DrEvil] | it was on The ScreenSavers |
| 05:05:36 | [DrEvil] | today |
| 05:05:40 | whardier | restored a relationship with a high bandwidth area |
| 05:05:40 | W|GGL|T | doh...missed it |
| 05:05:46 | whardier | pissed off a few people |
| 05:05:47 | jmhodges | wants techtv dammit.. |
| 05:05:48 | [DrEvil] | TiVo baby |
| 05:05:52 | whardier | and helped a new buddy |
| 05:05:54 | whardier | its time to go to sleep |
| 05:05:54 | jmhodges | whardier: hehe how so? |
| 05:06:00 | whardier | oooooh |
| 05:06:02 | W|GGL|T | my 3 yr old daughter was yelling that she wanted to watch screensavers |
| 05:06:04 | jmhodges | whardier: noooo.. time to tell stories. |
| 05:06:04 | whardier | lets just say.. all in a days work |
| 05:06:12 | whardier | jmhodges haha.. no.. sleeeeep |
| 05:06:16 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 05:06:24 | whardier | hang around and you will hear my shit |
| 05:06:29 | jmhodges | excellent |
| 05:06:32 | whardier | I force everybody to know |
| 05:06:50 | jmhodges | hehee |
| 05:07:20 | [DrEvil] | they found like 15 unprotected networks in the vicinity of their studios |
| 05:07:22 | W|GGL|T | Screensavers say anything good/bad about the Z? |
| 05:07:26 | whardier | heh.. night folks.. sleep tight.. don't let the pingizauru bite! |
| 05:07:30 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 05:07:33 | [DrEvil] | it wasn't about the Z really |
| 05:07:38 | W|GGL|T | ah |
| 05:07:38 | [DrEvil] | it was about WiFi networks |
| 05:07:39 | jmhodges | what was it about? |
| 05:07:42 | jmhodges | aah.. |
| 05:07:43 | [DrEvil] | the Z was running Kismet |
| 05:07:51 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 05:07:56 | [DrEvil] | and they were showing what was going on |
| 05:08:31 | jmhodges | dammit someone needs to combine a 802.11b and a 802.11a card and slap that baby in a cf card dammit ;) |
| 05:08:35 | Wembly | ugh |
| 05:08:37 | [DrEvil] | then they had a laptop running ethereal dumping data |
| 05:08:41 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 05:08:41 | W|GGL|T | i dont see wifi in my future until i get a job....wife found out i bought a zaurus, she didn't flip but said that that's my fathers day gift, so no more toys for awhile :o( |
| 05:08:44 | Wembly | kernel panics SUCK |
| 05:08:51 | jmhodges | W|GGL|T: hehehee |
| 05:08:59 | whardier | s/panics/penis/ |
| 05:09:03 | whardier | really leaves now |
| 05:09:06 | whardier | stupid email |
| 05:09:09 | Speedy2 | Wembly: What'd you do to kernel panic the Z? |
| 05:09:10 | [DrEvil] | yes |
| 05:09:12 | W|GGL|T | i hid the best buy invoice for 2 months...hehe |
| 05:09:12 | [DrEvil] | stupid email |
| 05:09:18 | Wembly | speedy: not the Z |
| 05:09:23 | Wembly | speedy: my system |
| 05:09:26 | [DrEvil] | until she saw the credit card bill |
| 05:09:38 | Wembly | speedy: something about the usb driver subsystem having issues |
| 05:09:43 | Speedy2 | ha |
| 05:09:45 | Speedy2 | err |
| 05:09:45 | Speedy2 | ah |
| 05:09:50 | Wembly | speedy: i get a error of addresses being refused |
| 05:09:53 | Speedy2 | hrm |
| 05:09:55 | Wembly | speedy: as i connect the Z |
| 05:10:00 | W|GGL|T | i do the bills...for some reason, they sent her one too (she's on an extended business trip) |
| 05:10:02 | Wembly | then i unload usbdnet no problems. |
| 05:10:05 | W|GGL|T | ah well |
| 05:10:06 | Wembly | i unload usb-uhci. |
| 05:10:08 | jmhodges | hhehe |
| 05:10:11 | Wembly | and i get a kernel panic |
| 05:10:13 | W|GGL|T | brb...smoke break |
| 05:10:18 | [DrEvil] | I should get the wireless adapter for my TiVos |
| 05:10:18 | Wembly | and have to do a physical reset |
| 05:10:24 | Wembly | wtf? |
| 05:10:28 | Wembly | wireless adaptor for tivo? |
| 05:10:31 | Wembly | omg |
| 05:10:38 | [DrEvil] | yeah |
| 05:10:44 | Wembly | 3rd party hardware for the tivo is like totally rampnet isnt it? |
| 05:10:48 | [DrEvil] | yup |
| 05:10:51 | Wembly | i still havnt upgraded my hd's |
| 05:10:52 | [DrEvil] | it runs linux |
| 05:10:55 | [DrEvil] | what else do you expect |
| 05:11:02 | Wembly | i dunno hehe |
| 05:11:06 | Wembly | i wonder what tivo thinks of it tho |
| 05:11:09 | bill2or3 | there's a few network cards |
| 05:11:17 | [DrEvil] | I don;t think they really care |
| 05:11:25 | Wembly | drevil: depends. |
| 05:11:28 | [DrEvil] | as long as it doesn[t involve theft of service |
| 05:11:33 | Wembly | drevil: i think they might somewhat care. |
| 05:11:33 | bill2or3 | they dont mind it, the newest version comes with drivers for the aftermarket net card |
| 05:11:39 | [DrEvil] | or stream extraction |
| 05:11:42 | Wembly | spiffs |
| 05:12:03 | bill2or3 | so they're at least somewhat sympathetic |
| 05:12:12 | [DrEvil] | People are so hyped up about the Series 2 |
| 05:12:12 | Wembly | yea tivo is fairly friendly. |
| 05:12:16 | Wembly | but its a thin line. |
| 05:12:19 | Wembly | bah |
| 05:12:23 | Wembly | series 2 is ick :P |
| 05:12:24 | Wembly | no firewire |
| 05:12:29 | Wembly | only usb |
| 05:12:29 | [DrEvil] | the problem I see is that you will never be able to do 100mbs on them |
| 05:12:35 | Wembly | i dont see whats so good about it. |
| 05:12:36 | [DrEvil] | USB 1.x |
| 05:12:50 | Wembly | *shrug |
| 05:12:51 | Wembly | * |
| 05:12:56 | Wembly | usb still sucks imho |
| 05:12:59 | [DrEvil] | on the Series 1 you could put in the 100mb cards |
| 05:13:03 | [DrEvil] | it doesn't suck |
| 05:13:15 | [DrEvil] | I wish they had put in USB 2.x |
| 05:13:27 | Wembly | my biggest problem with usb is the computer centric view it has. |
| 05:13:37 | [DrEvil] | but I think that was an effort to stall off lawsuits from the MPAA et al |
| 05:13:47 | Speedy2 | DrEvil USB 2.x in what? |
| 05:13:48 | Wembly | for example. the zaurus would of been alot cooler if usb did not have a computer centric view. |
| 05:13:54 | Speedy2 | Dude |
| 05:14:00 | Speedy2 | The USB controller is built into the CPU |
| 05:14:01 | Speedy2 | That's a fact |
| 05:14:02 | Wembly | then you could connect devices to the zaurus and zaurus to other devices hehe. |
| 05:14:15 | Wembly | yea intel sucks whats your point? hehe |
| 05:14:18 | Speedy2 | It's a USB slave controller. |
| 05:14:21 | Speedy2 | Intel didn't design it |
| 05:14:25 | jmhodges | interesting.. |
| 05:14:28 | Speedy2 | And that CPU was design over 4 years ago |
| 05:14:30 | Wembly | usb == intel's incarnation |
| 05:14:31 | Speedy2 | desgined |
| 05:14:50 | [DrEvil] | Speedy2: I wanted USB 2.x in the Series 2 TiVo |
| 05:14:56 | Wembly | i just hate the pc centric view with usb. |
| 05:15:06 | Wembly | the mentallity that 'everything must connect to the pc' |
| 05:15:17 | Wembly | one host meny client crap is such bullshit :/ |
| 05:15:22 | Speedy2 | It makes sense for what USB is supposed to do |
| 05:15:28 | Wembly | yes |
| 05:15:31 | [DrEvil] | if Sonic Blue wins it's court cases, then TiVo might put a faster bus in the Series 3 or something |
| 05:15:35 | Speedy2 | Although I think the protocol itself and the implementation is quite poor |
| 05:15:37 | Wembly | but not all devices that use usb does it make sense on. |
| 05:15:42 | Wembly | usb for keyboards and such yes |
| 05:15:52 | Wembly | usb for harddrives? perhaps. |
| 05:15:55 | Wembly | usb for cameras? no. |
| 05:15:58 | Wembly | usb for pda? no |
| 05:16:23 | Wembly | if usb could lose the pc centric approach then id like it alot better. |
| 05:16:26 | Speedy2 | It's fine for PDAs -- typically you don't need to transfer too much data, though these days with 16MB+ ROM/RAM... |
| 05:16:42 | Speedy2 | StrongARM was designed when PDAs had like 4MB ROM/RAM |
| 05:16:56 | Wembly | speedy: i dont care about the speed or anything like that as much as i care about the pc centric approach to usb. |
| 05:16:57 | jmhodges | ipkg doesnt seem to want to have a friggin list.. |
| 05:16:59 | jmhodges | interesting.. |
| 05:17:11 | Wembly | speedy: i prefer firewire because of its lack of that. |
| 05:17:48 | Speedy2 | Wembly: Firewire and USB serve two distinct different purposes, you aren't supposed to compare them |
| 05:17:59 | Wembly | speedy: i dont care |
| 05:18:07 | Wembly | speedy: thats just a marketing arguement anyhow |
| 05:18:11 | Speedy2 | No, it's not |
| 05:18:20 | Wembly | speedy: they know full well that they will and are being compared. |
| 05:18:26 | Speedy2 | No they didn't |
| 05:18:37 | Speedy2 | USB is meant for low-speed "silly" devices, like keyboards, mice, etc |
| 05:18:37 | Wembly | speedy: that there is competition between firewire and usb as far as design choices go. |
| 05:18:52 | Speedy2 | Except the idiots decided to compete and come up with USB 2.0 which is retarded. |
| 05:18:55 | Wembly | speedy: tell that to the harddrive manuf. and other manuf that want to put usb on everything. |
| 05:19:05 | [DrEvil] | tell that to Microsoft and their USB speakers |
| 05:19:12 | [DrEvil] | now that is a useless thing |
| 05:19:21 | Wembly | haha |
| 05:19:21 | Wembly | yes |
| 05:19:22 | Speedy2 | USB speakers need 1.4MBytes/sec uncompressed |
| 05:19:30 | Speedy2 | Firewire supports upto 480Mbps |
| 05:19:33 | Speedy2 | Not the same thing |
| 05:19:39 | Wembly | and also im shure has issues with the new copy protected audio 'cd's |
| 05:20:05 | Speedy2 | And "digital" speakers are a pretty smart thing, though I don't think it would be best to do that via USB |
| 05:20:12 | Wembly | speedy: my biggest thing i want is a standardized serialized bus that is not pc centric. |
| 05:20:24 | Speedy2 | RS-232 ;) |
| 05:20:35 | Wembly | speedy: so i can connect two devices to each other and they will be on the same bus and use the same resources. ditto with 3 4 etc. |
| 05:20:45 | Wembly | that is why i like firewire. |
| 05:20:52 | Wembly | because it does not require a host pc. |
| 05:20:54 | Wembly | unlike usb |
| 05:21:41 | Wembly | anyhow |
| 05:21:46 | Wembly | i dunno why im having issues |
| 05:21:54 | Wembly | and i dunno whats causeing it. |
| 05:22:01 | Wembly | and im not about to start hacking at the kernel to find out :P |
| 05:22:53 | jmhodges | hm.. |
| 05:23:03 | jmhodges | whats the unicode number for ctrl+v? |
| 05:23:17 | jmhodges | or can i not paste that way? |
| 05:23:37 | [DrEvil] | why not just paste with the keyboard |
| 05:24:01 | [DrEvil] | look closely at it |
| 05:24:11 | jmhodges | cause im trying to use the Install over network thing.. casue apparently im too much of an idito to figure it out.. |
| 05:24:28 | [DrEvil] | what are you trying to install over the network? |
| 05:25:08 | jmhodges | sshd |
| 05:25:27 | [DrEvil] | oh nevermind |
| 05:25:32 | jmhodges | ? |
| 05:25:33 | [DrEvil] | I just made that part of my ROM |
| 05:25:57 | jmhodges | yeah im not an OZ user (yet) |
| 05:26:05 | [DrEvil] | I'm not using OZ |
| 05:26:09 | jmhodges | maybe after my france/spain trip.. |
| 05:26:13 | [DrEvil] | it is part of Evil ROM |
| 05:26:17 | jmhodges | [DrEvil]: then you rock |
| 05:26:26 | jmhodges | rolled your own eh? |
| 05:26:32 | [DrEvil] | more or less |
| 05:26:45 | NoRemorse | heya |
| 05:26:50 | jmhodges | hello |
| 05:26:55 | NoRemorse | anyone used mpg123 on Z before? |
| 05:27:07 | KhensU | yup |
| 05:27:14 | NoRemorse | How you find the quality?! |
| 05:27:16 | [DrEvil] | nfs server needs to work |
| 05:27:45 | NoRemorse | KhensU: for me the quality is bad compared to say the media player or tkcPlayer on the same files |
| 05:27:55 | Wembly | is there anyway to get the zaurus to do things when it connects? |
| 05:27:56 | Wembly | err |
| 05:28:02 | Wembly | when it is put in the craddle? |
| 05:28:13 | jmhodges | hm.. |
| 05:28:49 | KhensU | hmm. I wasn't listening to that. |
| 05:28:51 | [DrEvil] | like cartwheels? |
| 05:29:04 | NoRemorse | KhensU so "yup" was not for mpg123? |
| 05:29:16 | [DrEvil] | handstands? |
| 05:29:37 | jmhodges | argh.. ok how do i add a server with ipkg? |
| 05:29:44 | KhensU | NoRemorse: yes it was but I didn't use it much. |
| 05:29:46 | NoRemorse | Wembly there is a ppp chat script somewhere I think |
| 05:30:00 | NoRemorse | KhensU are ok. how did u compile it? with the cross compiler? |
| 05:30:07 | [DrEvil] | I think I tried the nfs server from familiar |
| 05:30:07 | [DrEvil] | or is it debian |
| 05:30:07 | [DrEvil] | bleah |
| 05:30:21 | [DrEvil] | no workie |
| 05:30:21 | [DrEvil] | it works |
| 05:30:21 | [DrEvil] | I just can't mount anything |
| 05:30:41 | KhensU | NoRemorse: no, I extracted it from the debian arm package |
| 05:30:50 | dragoonn | Hello, can someone help me out? |
| 05:30:56 | NoRemorse | ah very cool I might try that one and see how it compares ta dood |
| 05:31:06 | dragoonn | I tried to upgrade the rom on my zaurus sl-5500, but now it doesn't start up |
| 05:31:26 | jmhodges | ouch.. |
| 05:31:35 | NoRemorse | dragoonn: what about a full reset? |
| 05:31:40 | Speedy2 | dragoonn: Did it lose power during update or anything? |
| 05:32:12 | NoRemorse | ah shit KhensU where is that debian arm apckagae again please?I deleted it |
| 05:32:27 | dragoonn | I don't think so |
| 05:33:32 | NoRemorse | KhensU dont worry I got it |
| 05:33:36 | KhensU | k |
| 05:33:51 | NoRemorse | err except there is no mpg123 in it.... |
| 05:34:07 | roge99 | is away: zzzzZZzz |
| 05:34:10 | NoRemorse | which one you use? |
| 05:34:21 | KhensU | did you look in non-free? |
| 05:34:49 | NoRemorse | where sorry? myzaurus? |
| 05:35:04 | Com[Plex] | anyoneknow anythign about icewm? |
| 05:35:17 | dragoonn | exactly where is the reboot button in the back? |
| 05:35:23 | KhensU | NoRemorse: http://saens.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/m/mpg123/ |
| 05:35:23 | NoRemorse | Com[Plex] I have used it |
| 05:35:29 | NoRemorse | ta |
| 05:35:35 | Speedy2 | dargoon: You might have to call Sharp tech support tomor and talk to them. If you've flipped the battery switch back as it was before and "un did" all the changes before flashing and it doesn't start up, that's not a good sign. |
| 05:35:43 | Com[Plex] | on the Z? |
| 05:35:46 | dragoonn | yes |
| 05:36:06 | NoRemorse | Yes dood |
| 05:36:17 | NoRemorse | ok lame q, how I install a .deb on Z?! |
| 05:36:44 | LarryGarfield | You don't? :-) |
| 05:36:48 | LarryGarfield | The Z uses ipk. |
| 05:36:49 | NoRemorse | sigh |
| 05:36:52 | dragoonn | maybe I didn't hit the right reboot switch |
| 05:37:21 | NoRemorse | KhensU do I get the .deb file? the arm one? |
| 05:38:19 | KhensU | NoRemorse: do you want me just to give you the binary? |
| 05:38:43 | NoRemorse | KhensU yes please, tho I'd like to know how the hell to get this one :) |
| 05:39:12 | dragoonn | okay, now it's coming up |
| 05:39:43 | NoRemorse | anyone use tkcJabber? |
| 05:40:27 | NoRemorse | my icq contacts wont download to it |
| 05:40:28 | jmhodges | ok.. what is a proper url for ipkg and the gui Add/Remove Packages app for the Sharp ROM |
| 05:40:30 | jmhodges | ? |
| 05:40:43 | NoRemorse | they'd be on the developer site |
| 05:41:32 | jmhodges | NoRemorse: you talking to me? |
| 05:41:39 | Wembly | anyone ever have any problems with after something like 30 times of having the zaurus come up on linux that it'll no longer come up because of rejecting the address? |
| 05:41:46 | NoRemorse | yes jmhodges |
| 05:42:05 | jmhodges | so i cant use other feeds? NoRemorse? |
| 05:42:16 | LarryGarfield | Work you! |
| 05:42:19 | LarryGarfield | swears at his Z. |
| 05:42:47 | NoRemorse | jmhodges dunno sorry |
| 05:42:53 | Wembly | larry: swear at my pc while your at it heheh |
| 05:42:56 | jmhodges | k |
| 05:43:28 | Speedy2 | Hey Larry |
| 05:43:41 | Speedy2 | I read your some of your article on the Palm and some of the technical explanations are off |
| 05:43:58 | Speedy2 | Anyone know how to get Mozilla just to show icons for the buttons and not Icons & Text |
| 05:43:59 | Speedy2 | ? |
| 05:44:10 | LarryGarfield | They are? |
| 05:44:12 | NoRemorse | Speedy2 u running Mozilla on Z?! |
| 05:44:24 | LarryGarfield | (Mind you, I was aiming for clarity for novices, not for technical readers.) |
| 05:44:27 | NoRemorse | Thank KhensU that mpg123 works fine |
| 05:44:38 | Speedy2 | NoRemorse: No, on my PC |
| 05:44:43 | NoRemorse | ah |
| 05:44:45 | NoRemorse | care=0 then |
| 05:44:52 | [DrEvil] | i don't think tkcJabber downloads buddy lists |
| 05:45:06 | NoRemorse | DrEvil then how do I get my contacts on there? |
| 05:45:22 | [DrEvil] | add them |
| 05:46:28 | NoRemorse | cant see how to |
| 05:46:38 | [DrEvil] | once you are connected... |
| 05:46:45 | NoRemorse | it's got me fucked, and If I message my icqnum on jabber from wlsewhere the messages dont show |
| 05:46:47 | [DrEvil] | look at the 3rd group of icons on the tool bar |
| 05:47:00 | NoRemorse | ok doing now |
| 05:47:05 | [DrEvil] | the first icon |
| 05:47:12 | [DrEvil] | select what service they are on |
| 05:47:18 | LarryGarfield | ok, design bugs to report to the OZ people.... |
| 05:47:24 | [DrEvil] | then fill in the rest |
| 05:47:31 | NoRemorse | I got "group Chat Connections" |
| 05:47:55 | [DrEvil] | UserID is 3rd icon group |
| 05:47:57 | [DrEvil] | not 3rd icon |
| 05:48:17 | NoRemorse | u rock |
| 05:48:17 | NoRemorse | ta |
| 05:48:43 | [DrEvil] | tkcJabber needs contact groups |
| 05:48:51 | [DrEvil] | it all goes into a flat list |
| 05:48:53 | [DrEvil] | bleah |
| 05:49:20 | NoRemorse | can I rename them from a UIN? |
| 05:49:23 | [DrEvil] | [MiniMe]: you complete me |
| 05:49:23 | jmhodges | heheheeh |
| 05:49:32 | jmhodges | [DrEvil]: that yours? |
| 05:49:41 | [DrEvil] | the UserID is for their login on the home service |
| 05:49:49 | [DrEvil] | the user name field is whatever you want to call them |
| 05:49:52 | [DrEvil] | yes |
| 05:49:58 | jmhodges | right |
| 05:50:00 | jmhodges | :) |
| 05:50:04 | [DrEvil] | that's scutter |
| 05:50:10 | jmhodges | scutter? |
| 05:50:17 | [DrEvil] | my Z is named scutter |
| 05:50:22 | jmhodges | aaah :) |
| 05:50:31 | NoRemorse | what about when they message me first? |
| 05:50:35 | NoRemorse | and all I got is a number |
| 05:50:46 | jmhodges | watches has Install over Network freezes on the zz feed at 100% |
| 05:51:00 | NoRemorse | is there a delay?whats the best jabber server to connect to this one is sus, it loses messages on me |
| 05:51:01 | Wembly | jmhodges: give it a few seconds |
| 05:51:06 | [DrEvil] | I don;t think that will change until you add them to your contacts list |
| 05:51:07 | Wembly | jmhodges: its gotta sort all the package info |
| 05:51:09 | jmhodges | Wembly: its been over a minute |
| 05:51:12 | Wembly | oh |
| 05:51:13 | Wembly | hehe |
| 05:51:16 | jmhodges | heh |
| 05:51:17 | Wembly | i dunno what to tell ya then |
| 05:51:23 | jmhodges | maybe its cause im on the net.. |
| 05:51:38 | jmhodges | gkrellm is reporting no traffic though.. |
| 05:51:40 | Wembly | jmhodges: it needs to be on the net |
| 05:51:51 | jmhodges | it is |
| 05:51:54 | [DrEvil] | I think the uid to nickname conversion is handled on the client end anyway |
| 05:52:51 | NoRemorse | DrEvil what icqserver do you use? I use icq.valentine.thekompany.com and it is not sending me live messages |
| 05:53:06 | [DrEvil] | I think you can only use their server |
| 05:53:11 | [DrEvil] | BigBoss would know more |
| 05:53:26 | [DrEvil] | I think someone is supposed to be writing some docs on tkcJabber |
| 05:53:32 | NoRemorse | pft it added the contact after the UIN so I ahve the UIN and underneath the named version, this prog sucks rocks |
| 05:53:42 | NoRemorse | cant beleeeve I paid for it |
| 05:54:17 | LarryGarfield | hehe. |
| 05:54:38 | [DrEvil] | it's won awards |
| 05:55:00 | LarryGarfield | FORK! |
| 05:55:07 | LarryGarfield | curses the OZ gods. |
| 05:55:20 | NoRemorse | pfft |
| 05:55:37 | [DrEvil] | looks like there is a users guide and a faq online now |
| 05:56:10 | ZKhensU | hrm |
| 05:56:35 | [DrEvil] | yay |
| 05:56:36 | Wembly | noremorse: perhaps your problem is with jabber and not with tkcjabber? |
| 05:56:44 | [DrEvil] | my nick has been immortalized in the screen shots |
| 05:56:45 | NoRemorse | cool, looks like I cant receive messages unless I have added them allready? |
| 05:57:01 | [DrEvil] | http://www.thekompany.com/embedded/tkcjabber/userguide.php3 |
| 05:57:02 | NoRemorse | got a url DrEvil please? |
| 05:57:04 | NoRemorse | ta |
| 05:57:11 | Wembly | noremorse: depends on the protocol. |
| 05:57:57 | NoRemorse | ICQ? |
| 05:58:07 | NoRemorse | Doesnt make sense |
| 05:58:22 | [DrEvil] | well |
| 05:58:26 | [DrEvil] | think about it |
| 05:58:35 | NoRemorse | I have, it sux |
| 05:58:48 | [DrEvil] | you can setup most any icq client to reject messages from people you don't know |
| 05:58:49 | NoRemorse | if someone sends me amessage, I should get it! regardless of wether I have added them in |
| 05:58:57 | [DrEvil] | not necessarily |
| 05:59:02 | NoRemorse | so can I change it to not reject? |
| 05:59:12 | [DrEvil] | I doubt it at this stage of the game |
| 05:59:13 | NoRemorse | or is that in my server settings, like at icq.com? |
| 05:59:20 | [DrEvil] | I think it is client based |
| 05:59:26 | NoRemorse | it's wierd, cos I get SOME messages, just not all! |
| 05:59:37 | NoRemorse | hrm it doesnt receive contacts either |
| 05:59:55 | [DrEvil] | look in the FAQ for AIM |
| 06:00:03 | [DrEvil] | it might be clear |
| 06:00:15 | Wembly | noremorse: perhaps the problem is with jabber's transport agents and not with the client :P |
| 06:00:25 | Wembly | the transport agents arnt exactly known to be the greatest :/ |
| 06:00:29 | Wembly | which is sad :( |
| 06:00:34 | NoRemorse | ah ok |
| 06:00:40 | [DrEvil] | and remember, ICQ is part of AOL |
| 06:00:53 | NoRemorse | dont blame icq, it works fine on my normal icq client! |
| 06:00:54 | Wembly | noremorse: try it with a pc based jabber client see if you encounter the same problems |
| 06:00:56 | [DrEvil] | and they have been having tifts with the jabber developers |
| 06:01:16 | [DrEvil] | AIM is not guaranteed to work |
| 06:01:21 | [DrEvil] | ICQ might be the same way |
| 06:01:23 | Wembly | your contact list is server side so it shouldnt be too much trouble to setup a client and test |
| 06:01:43 | Wembly | drevil: who has been having tifts with jabber developers? |
| 06:01:43 | NoRemorse | ok ta |
| 06:01:48 | [DrEvil] | AOL |
| 06:01:49 | Wembly | aol or tkc? |
| 06:01:50 | Wembly | ahh |
| 06:01:58 | Wembly | aol is having tifts with everyone. |
| 06:02:00 | [DrEvil] | AOL vs jabber |
| 06:02:16 | Wembly | just like aol vs. trillian? |
| 06:02:22 | [DrEvil] | yes |
| 06:02:28 | Wembly | tho that seems to of gone away |
| 06:02:28 | [DrEvil] | and AOL vs MSFT |
| 06:02:33 | Wembly | aol is anal |
| 06:02:35 | [DrEvil] | for now |
| 06:02:53 | [DrEvil] | they don't want anyone to steal their userlist |
| 06:04:02 | Wembly | on my pc i stick with .net messanger |
| 06:04:02 | NoRemorse | way to add people without their permission.. good one... |
| 06:04:07 | Wembly | and avoid aol's icq or aim |
| 06:04:09 | jmhodges_ | 9interesting |
| 06:04:10 | Wembly | because they suck. |
| 06:04:20 | Wembly | and .net messanger is the lesser of the two evils. |
| 06:04:22 | W|GGL|T | is away: I'm busy smoking a blunt or sleeping or something |
| 06:04:34 | NoRemorse | anyone got a lower icq UIN than 113679? |
| 06:04:36 | [DrEvil] | but you need .passport to use msn messenger |
| 06:04:51 | jmhodges | when i took off my Z and then put it back on and tried to start it up agin.. it killed my ppp connection and refused to let me log back in.. |
| 06:04:53 | jmhodges | fun |
| 06:05:26 | LarryGarfield | This is strange. Why is OZ not automatically mounting the SD card when it does mount the CF card? |
| 06:05:42 | [DrEvil] | my ICQ# is 128082774 |
| 06:05:55 | jmhodges | Wembly: what is this interfaces file? |
| 06:05:57 | NoRemorse | LarryGarfield what u formatted it with? ext2? |
| 06:06:09 | jmhodges | oh.. |
| 06:06:12 | LarryGarfield | Yes. Once I mount it manually, it works fine. |
| 06:06:33 | [DrEvil] | you are playing with fire in changing the file system on a SD card |
| 06:06:36 | NoRemorse | I am always getting errors on mine. it's a shitfight |
| 06:06:41 | NoRemorse | I leave it out mostly now |
| 06:06:45 | Wembly | jmhodges: its the config file for ifupdown |
| 06:06:50 | NoRemorse | DrEvil: what should it be? |
| 06:06:55 | LarryGarfield | I thought it would be required for using it as the main storage drive. |
| 06:06:58 | Wembly | jmhodges: it handles building and distroying the interfaces on the system. |
| 06:07:00 | [DrEvil] | leave it vfat |
| 06:07:10 | NoRemorse | DrEvil: ok, how I put it back to vfat?! |
| 06:07:11 | [DrEvil] | no |
| 06:07:23 | jmhodges | Wembly: oh.. |
| 06:07:29 | jmhodges | Wembly: its a deb thing? |
| 06:07:36 | LarryGarfield | So it doesn't automount ext2? And vfat will work when I have the SD card as the only storage device? (All RAM as RAM)( |
| 06:07:39 | Wembly | jmhodges: its very nice in debian cus net.agent in hotplug calls ifup and ifdown to construct/destruct the interface |
| 06:07:42 | Wembly | jmhodges: yea |
| 06:07:52 | Wembly | jmhodges: the up .... and down ... |
| 06:07:54 | Wembly | are commands tho |
| 06:07:57 | [DrEvil] | mkdosfs |
| 06:08:14 | Wembly | jmhodges: basicly you can construct a simple script by useing a case statment |
| 06:08:23 | jmhodges | oh.. |
| 06:08:27 | LarryGarfield | Ah, crap. So now I have to reinstall everything AGAIN? :-) |
| 06:08:38 | Wembly | jmhodges: and just build the interface yourself. |
| 06:08:40 | [DrEvil] | all the problems I have heard of people having with SD cards are usually because they fucked with the format |
| 06:08:45 | Wembly | jmhodges: aka add the proper ifconfig stuffs. |
| 06:09:07 | Wembly | jmhodges: then just run the up lines once the interface exists |
| 06:09:10 | jmhodges | right but unavailable for me |
| 06:09:13 | NoRemorse | can an SD card be used say half for /mnt/card and half for system RAM?! |
| 06:09:21 | Wembly | jmhodges: and run the down lines just before you take the interface down. |
| 06:09:25 | [DrEvil] | you don't want to use it for RAM |
| 06:09:33 | LarryGarfield | Only if you set up a swap partition on it, which is a bad idea. |
| 06:09:34 | [DrEvil] | slow |
| 06:09:39 | [DrEvil] | and you will burn it out sooner |
| 06:09:39 | Wembly | noremorse: if you enjoy it being rather slow. :) |
| 06:09:43 | Wembly | btw. |
| 06:09:48 | Wembly | sd cards.. |
| 06:09:51 | Wembly | vs. mm cards |
| 06:09:53 | LarryGarfield | And SD cards can't handle the frequency of swap read/write |
| 06:09:54 | Wembly | are they the same thing? |
| 06:09:56 | NoRemorse | ah ok |
| 06:10:01 | LarryGarfield | SD = MMC Type II |
| 06:10:13 | jmhodges | ok other than Wembly waht does everyone on a Linux distro use to easily connect with their Z ? |
| 06:10:16 | NoRemorse | I'll use it as VFAT to keep all my crap on. |
| 06:10:18 | [DrEvil] | there are more data lines on a SD card |
| 06:10:29 | NoRemorse | I ahve a 128SD and a 256CF, cept I need CF slot for my WLAN |
| 06:10:38 | NoRemorse | jmhodges I use ssh |
| 06:10:53 | jmhodges | NoRemorse: no i mean to connect it to the PC |
| 06:11:01 | jmhodges | NoRemorse: like hotplug, or some script or what.. |
| 06:11:21 | LarryGarfield | I want to use SD to install my programs to. |
| 06:11:30 | [DrEvil] | http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/wiki/index.php?MMC%20or%20SD%20card |
| 06:11:32 | [DrEvil] | read it |
| 06:11:36 | Wembly | jmhodges: i use a dhcp server on my pc and hotplug stuffs :) |
| 06:11:43 | [DrEvil] | * SD card users have reported problems with filesystem corruption when they have attempted to reformat and/or repartition the SD card. The consensus seems to be that SD cards work fine so long as you leave the filesystem alone. |
| 06:11:47 | Wembly | jmhodges: just to make shure you clearly understand hehe :) |
| 06:11:53 | LarryGarfield | I guess permission issues are non issues when everything is root. :) |
| 06:12:02 | Wembly | jmhodges: for the most part thats what you'll find people use |
| 06:12:10 | jmhodges | Wembly: ok help me set that up (with out the interfaces thing please) if you cant manage it w/o the interfaces thing n/m :) |
| 06:12:12 | Wembly | jmhodges: hotplug for triggering a script |
| 06:12:18 | jmhodges | alrighty then |
| 06:12:25 | Wembly | jmhodges: its easy to do without the interfaces thing. |
| 06:12:29 | jmhodges | Wembly: which parts should i build in/modulize |
| 06:12:31 | Wembly | jmhodges: 1st. install hotplug |
| 06:12:47 | Wembly | jmhodges: well make shure you have support for hotplug devices in your kernel. |
| 06:12:54 | NoRemorse | hey here is an interesting one, unless I kill zapmd, when I turn my Z off, it wont resume! |
| 06:13:18 | LarryGarfield | Well, it won't automount it as vfat, either. |
| 06:18:00 | jmhodges | is it just the PCI HotPlug support or is there more im missing? |
| 06:19:36 | jmhodges | :/ k |
| 06:19:48 | NoRemorse | anyone seen that prob with resume not working, for ANY reason?! |
| 06:24:38 | jmhodges | Wembly: do i need ACPI ? |
| 06:42:33 | Wembly | in the usb0 interface definition? |
| 06:42:42 | Wembly | sorry mismsg |
| 06:52:50 | LarryGarfield | grr... still can't get Handcom to install on OZ |
| 06:52:58 | jmhodges | :( |
| 06:53:12 | jmhodges | LarryGarfield: what site do you write for (i thought i heard it mentioned that you did) |
| 06:53:18 | LarryGarfield | www.infosync.no |
| 06:53:18 | jmhodges | is bad with names :) |
| 06:53:23 | LarryGarfield | Yeah, that's me. :-) |
| 06:53:38 | jmhodges | oh right! yes thats right.. we had this discussion last night.. |
| 06:53:41 | jmhodges | whew |
| 06:53:44 | LarryGarfield | hehe. |
| 06:53:53 | LarryGarfield | Yes, I'm still arguing with OZ. ;-) |
| 06:53:59 | jmhodges | hehehe |
| 06:54:01 | LarryGarfield | Figured out the problem I was having last night, though. |
| 06:54:06 | jmhodges | what is thsi Handango thing? |
| 06:54:10 | jmhodges | LarryGarfield: what was it? |
| 06:54:24 | LarryGarfield | It wasn't automounting the SD card for some reason, so I was installing to /mnt/card, which was really in ROM, and ran out of space fast. |
| 06:54:51 | LarryGarfield | Handango is an online PDA software store. Very corporatized, not very indy-friendly from what I hear. |
| 06:56:14 | jmhodges | LarryGarfield: ah i see. figured out why its fstab didnt come into play yet |
| 06:56:16 | jmhodges | ? |
| 06:56:30 | LarryGarfield | Nope. The line for the sd card is the same as the CF card, which is working. |
| 06:56:40 | jmhodges | LarryGarfield: eww |
| 06:56:43 | LarryGarfield | And of course, I have to use vi to play with it, which just bites in general. |
| 06:57:09 | jmhodges | LarryGarfield: hehe oh cmon its great! (vim would be better.. but then so would colors for ls :) |
| 06:57:22 | LarryGarfield | bah! I want my pico/nano! |
| 06:58:30 | jmhodges | hehe that would be nice too |
| 06:58:36 | jmhodges | nano is the shit :) |
| 06:59:24 | LarryGarfield | I need to find time to package up the command line tools as ipks. |
| 06:59:36 | jmhodges | yeah.. |
| 06:59:45 | jmhodges | is such a Z newb its not even funny |
| 06:59:49 | jmhodges | LarryGarfield: how do you do that? |
| 07:00:18 | LarryGarfield | There's a HowTo on ZZ. I've never made one, I figure a single-binary-file package is a good place to start learning. ;-) |
| 07:00:41 | jmhodges | cool :) |
| 07:00:44 | jmhodges | ok gtg |
| 07:00:49 | LarryGarfield | bye |
| 07:49:24 | LarryGarfield | wb, Dave |
| 07:50:04 | NeoTron | hey. writing this from a newly linuxfied laptop |
| 07:50:11 | LarryGarfield | yay. |
| 07:50:16 | LarryGarfield | Letting the penguins lose? |
| 07:50:34 | NeoTron | my mother-in-law's old laptop |
| 07:51:28 | LarryGarfield | hehe. |
| 10:23:03 | weimer | is there a qtopiadesktop on linux howto available? |
| 10:42:36 | weimer | All I get when starting it is: qtopiadesktop: error while loading shared libraries: librsync.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 10:52:40 | CloudChaser | qaerftgyhujikol]hehe its ok n 34578`1234567890- |
| 11:06:58 | CloudChaser | weime youstill here? |
| 11:07:03 | weimer | yepp |
| 11:07:11 | CloudChaser | ok i did what you are tryingto do last night |
| 11:07:16 | CloudChaser | had the same issue |
| 11:07:26 | CloudChaser | someone helped me and i wrote down what i did |
| 11:07:34 | CloudChaser | but |
| 11:07:41 | CloudChaser | i am using wireless to synch |
| 11:07:50 | CloudChaser | not usb |
| 11:07:53 | weimer | np |
| 11:07:58 | CloudChaser | so it worked for me |
| 11:08:02 | weimer | I just want to start the desktop |
| 11:08:17 | CloudChaser | ok let me find the instruction file |
| 11:09:15 | CloudChaser | youhave in your home dir a qtopiadesktop-personal-use-1.5 dir? |
| 11:09:22 | weimer | yepp |
| 11:09:28 | CloudChaser | ok cd into it |
| 11:09:42 | weimer | k |
| 11:09:45 | CloudChaser | there's 3 links and an export command that i did |
| 11:10:25 | CloudChaser | ln -s librsync.so.1.0.0 librsync.so.1 |
| 11:10:33 | CloudChaser | ln -s libpalmtopcenter.so.1.0.0 libpalmtopcenter.so.1 |
| 11:10:41 | CloudChaser | ln -s libqt.so.3.0.3 libqt.so.3 |
| 11:11:01 | weimer | thanks |
| 11:11:02 | CloudChaser | now the next 2 lines you put in as one line: |
| 11:11:04 | weimer | now it works |
| 11:11:09 | CloudChaser | it does? |
| 11:11:13 | weimer | yepp |
| 11:11:13 | CloudChaser | ah great |
| 11:11:22 | weimer | now ld_library_path? |
| 11:11:23 | CloudChaser | i had to do an export of a path |
| 11:11:27 | weimer | That's what I did before |
| 11:11:29 | weimer | ;-) |
| 11:11:38 | CloudChaser | ah ok youalready did that then? |
| 11:11:48 | weimer | Yepp |
| 11:14:05 | CloudChaser | so you're all set then? |
| 11:14:35 | weimer | Yes. Thanks a lot! |
| 11:14:59 | CloudChaser | hehe you're welcome...glad to help.. but it was jmhodges who told me how to do it :) |
| 11:15:03 | CloudChaser | i hadn't a clue |
| 11:16:49 | CloudChaser | i sure wish they would get the zaurus zone boards back up |
| 11:19:47 | CloudChaser | hmm mine doesn't work today |
| 11:21:52 | weimer | Do I need to setup a usb connection on the zaurus to make it work? |
| 11:22:05 | CloudChaser | well that's another whole issue |
| 11:22:43 | CloudChaser | there's specific instructions on that and it requires a kernel change |
| 11:22:46 | CloudChaser | i believe |
| 11:22:57 | CloudChaser | i don't have the link on this pc |
| 11:23:12 | CloudChaser | and the zaurus zone boards are down |
| 11:24:42 | CloudChaser | hey if youclose the desktop |
| 11:24:51 | CloudChaser | can you then re-open it? |
| 11:25:21 | weimer | yes |
| 11:25:50 | CloudChaser | hmm i cant i get this: librsync.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 11:27:03 | CloudChaser | sighs |
| 11:28:13 | CloudChaser | how do youget it to start then? |
| 11:28:31 | CloudChaser | you don't have to do those links and export again right? |
| 11:28:59 | weimer | no |
| 11:29:12 | weimer | not the links, but the export |
| 11:29:25 | weimer | did you read: http://humphrey.applitec.com/zaurus/ |
| 11:29:28 | CloudChaser | you have to do the export every time? |
| 11:29:38 | weimer | I have a skript to do so |
| 11:30:48 | CloudChaser | ah ok jm helped me make a script file but i didn't realize i had to do it every time |
| 11:31:35 | CloudChaser | ok so you have to do al those other steps to get usb to work |
| 11:32:07 | weimer | yepp |
| 11:32:17 | weimer | But currently usbnet does not work for me... |
| 11:34:49 | CloudChaser | oh yay ;) that little script worked it looks like |
| 11:35:04 | CloudChaser | sort of.. it opened up the desktop but its all grey |
| 11:35:37 | CloudChaser | bleh |
| 11:36:03 | CloudChaser | it defaulted back to usb |
| 11:36:12 | CloudChaser | hates the synch program |
| 11:36:59 | CloudChaser | doesn't get far enough for me to change it back to serial |
| 11:37:22 | CloudChaser | this stinks |
| 11:39:30 | CloudChaser | bleh i'm stumped now |
| 11:40:23 | weimer | Where do I find german rom updates? And How Do I install them? |
| 11:41:19 | CloudChaser | don't know that one..is sthere a sharp z germany site? |
| 11:41:52 | CloudChaser | [mross@BNS11287L mross]$ ./zaurus |
| 11:41:52 | CloudChaser | Loaded splash screen: splashscreen.png of size 47323 |
| 11:41:52 | CloudChaser | Installed qtopia dir = /home/mross |
| 11:41:53 | CloudChaser | ***** Connection type = USB |
| 11:41:53 | CloudChaser | AppSettings::resetSettings type = 0 |
| 11:41:53 | CloudChaser | Account::save localconection = 0 ip = 192.168.129.201 type = 0 |
| 11:42:00 | CloudChaser | ok thats the message i get when i run script |
| 11:42:14 | CloudChaser | somewhere there are those seetings and i need to change them |
| 11:42:21 | CloudChaser | from USB to serial |
| 11:42:58 | weimer | file->settings |
| 11:43:28 | weimer | how do I setup serial sync? I have a cable and want to start using this tool.... |
| 11:43:32 | CloudChaser | o cam |
| 11:43:53 | CloudChaser | ok my program doesn't work enough for me to change the settings back |
| 11:44:10 | CloudChaser | i use serial sync to sync with wireless cf |
| 11:44:29 | CloudChaser | its not really serial but that's how you get it to work |
| 11:45:10 | CloudChaser | do you have any sort of network card? |
| 11:45:19 | weimer | nope |
| 11:45:27 | weimer | I had for my ipaq, but it is pcmcia |
| 11:45:30 | CloudChaser | ok this is a guess here |
| 11:45:40 | CloudChaser | if you plug the serial cable into the back of your pc |
| 11:45:48 | CloudChaser | and use the default address for synching |
| 11:45:53 | CloudChaser | does that work? |
| 11:45:57 | weimer | nope |
| 11:46:19 | weimer | All the sync buttons are greyed out. |
| 11:46:36 | weimer | I am very dissapointed with trolltechs performance in this field! |
| 11:46:48 | CloudChaser | oh yeah me too.. big time |
| 11:46:52 | CloudChaser | and sharp too |
| 11:47:00 | CloudChaser | cause they bought it |
| 11:47:02 | CloudChaser | i guess |
| 11:47:10 | weimer | Does it work with windows? |
| 11:47:23 | CloudChaser | synching with serial? |
| 11:47:34 | weimer | anything |
| 11:47:41 | CloudChaser | could try it...i don't have a serial cable |
| 11:47:45 | CloudChaser | it works with the wireless |
| 11:47:49 | CloudChaser | but its buggy |
| 11:48:00 | weimer | great |
| 11:48:04 | CloudChaser | i have to keep changing the ip addy in the setup on the desktop |
| 11:48:18 | CloudChaser | it flashes me a message to change my ip address |
| 11:48:27 | CloudChaser | and then does changes it on its own |
| 11:49:15 | CloudChaser | on your z what do youhave in the sync tab of the sync applet? |
| 11:50:11 | CloudChaser | if you have the default and then on the desktop it matches for serial..it "should" work |
| 11:50:13 | weimer | CloudChaser: The standard entries for the ip's |
| 11:50:36 | weimer | But it doesn't |
| 11:50:37 | CloudChaser | but since i can't get into mine (it opens with totally blank grey screen) |
| 11:50:54 | weimer | Everything is greyed out |
| 11:51:05 | CloudChaser | ok under file settings |
| 11:51:18 | CloudChaser | can you change your option to serial sync on the desktop? |
| 11:51:58 | weimer | yepp |
| 11:52:01 | weimer | I did so |
| 11:52:36 | CloudChaser | maybe one of the more experience people here could help you |
| 11:52:47 | CloudChaser | i'm ....new at this |
| 11:53:29 | CloudChaser | and frustrated |
| 11:53:36 | CloudChaser | mine worked fine last night |
| 11:53:44 | CloudChaser | but that stupid bug makes it not work at all now |
| 11:54:45 | CloudChaser | i can ftp my stuff to back it up |
| 11:54:48 | CloudChaser | but that won't help you |
| 11:58:51 | heiko | hi |
| 11:58:55 | CloudChaser | odd now it works |
| 11:59:35 | CloudChaser | hiya heiko |
| 11:59:41 | CloudChaser | this is too wierd |
| 11:59:46 | CloudChaser | i tried it again and it works |
| 12:00:12 | heiko | I had a problem with Xfree on the Zaurus: After installing it and starting "wm" as mentioned in the release notes I just get the icewm screen but no stylus configuration program. The keys on the Z also don't work so I have to soft reset the Z |
| 12:00:41 | CloudChaser | hehe that's way over my head i'm afraid |
| 12:01:12 | heiko | is there perhaps a mailing list to look at if this has happended before? |
| 12:02:05 | CloudChaser | well the zaurus zone forums are down |
| 12:02:17 | CloudChaser | there probably are others but i don't know them |
| 12:02:23 | CloudChaser | i've found alot of answers there |
| 12:02:41 | CloudChaser | weimer i found my problem |
| 12:02:49 | CloudChaser | i have to su to run my script |
| 12:03:18 | CloudChaser | my user must not have permissions to use the qtopia commands |
| 12:03:59 | Kopsis | heiko: the SourceForge Zaurus mailing lists are archived at news://news.le.org/le.lists.zaurus.general ... you may want to search there |
| 12:04:59 | heiko | is there no web interface for this? |
| 12:05:38 | Kopsis | heiko: no, but the built in newsreaders in Netscape and Explorer should work fine with that URL |
| 12:08:50 | CloudChaser | thanks for that link! :) |
| 12:09:18 | CloudChaser | any more regarding the z that you might have Kopsis? |
| 12:11:05 | Kopsis | CloudChaser: there are a couple of developer lists but they're mainly for Qtopia programming |
| 12:11:33 | CloudChaser | ok i'm not quite that advanced :) |
| 12:12:08 | Kopsis | most "troubleshooting" discussions happen on the zaurus.general list |
| 12:12:23 | CloudChaser | k great |
| 12:12:34 | CloudChaser | weimer did you see this link: |
| 12:12:45 | CloudChaser | http://www.ruault.com/Zaurus/ethernet-over-usb-howto.html |
| 12:13:27 | Kopsis | To actually subscribe to the zaurus.general list, go to http://sourceforge.net/mail/?group_id=39939 |
| 12:13:57 | CloudChaser | is it the same as reading it in the news group? |
| 12:14:03 | CloudChaser | just email? |
| 12:14:29 | Kopsis | Yes. However, you can't post via the newsgroup ... it's read-only |
| 12:14:33 | weimer | CloudChaser: Sync works now for me |
| 12:14:46 | CloudChaser | great! what did you do to make it work? |
| 12:14:56 | CloudChaser | ok gotcha kopsis |
| 12:15:14 | weimer | CloudChaser: created a new usbdnet module on my pc |
| 12:15:32 | CloudChaser | ah very good |
| 12:15:42 | CloudChaser | mine works too now ;) |
| 12:15:52 | CloudChaser | have to su then run command |
| 12:15:54 | CloudChaser | ;) |
| 12:17:15 | CloudChaser | ok if i pick digest, i will get one email instead of many individual ones? |
| 12:18:00 | Kopsis | CloudChaser: Yep :) The digest is like 10-20 messages per email |
| 12:19:37 | CloudChaser | great thanks ;) |
| 12:34:12 | CloudChaser | 'mornin |
| 13:08:13 | Com[Plex] | anyone know where I can find the icewm ipkg for the zaurus? |
| 13:10:28 | CloudChaser | hiya..i don't |
| 13:10:54 | Twiun | Com[Plex]: last time I looked, it was on sf |
| 13:11:29 | CloudChaser | good morning twiun.. sorry for my abrupt departure last night |
| 13:11:57 | CloudChaser | my cable modem went out |
| 13:11:57 | CloudChaser | and by the time it came back on you were gone |
| 13:12:47 | Twiun | That's ok... I had to sneak off to get some sleep anyway ;-) |
| 13:13:05 | Com[Plex] | got it :> |
| 13:13:05 | Twiun | And good afternoon |
| 13:13:07 | CloudChaser | :) figured it was pretty late there |
| 13:13:19 | Twiun | Yeah, it was pushing 1am |
| 13:29:10 | BigBoss | http://linuxandmain.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=90 |
| 13:29:13 | BigBoss | great story :) |
| 13:32:51 | Twiun | Hehe, you're biased BOTH ways there ;-) |
| 13:35:38 | BigBoss | we've got to look out for everyone you know :) |
| 13:39:02 | Twiun | Oh absolutely |
| 13:52:17 | CloudChaser | very interesting |
| 13:52:33 | CloudChaser | reading the interview link too |
| 13:56:04 | benmeyer | what is the command line script to get a control file from an ipkg? |
| 13:59:06 | BigBoss | rm *.ipk |
| 13:59:09 | BigBoss | :) |
| 13:59:49 | benmeyer | tar -xzf foo.ipkg | tar -zxf control.tar.gz | cat CONTROL/control |
| 13:59:51 | benmeyer | or something like that |
| 14:02:59 | ljp_work | ipkg info |
| 14:04:40 | benmeyer | on a local file |
| 14:04:42 | benmeyer | i.e. in documents |
| 14:06:57 | benmeyer | tar -xzOf petittrack_1.1.0_arm.ipk ./control.tar.gz | tar xzOf - ./control |
| 14:06:58 | benmeyer | got it |
| 14:07:00 | benmeyer | never mind |
| 14:16:07 | ljp_work | so I wonder whats up with TT's contest results... |
| 14:16:43 | Twiun | probably got lost in the tropical downpours |
| 14:17:22 | ljp_work | heh. in Norway? |
| 14:17:48 | ljp_work | oooo _virtual_ tropical downpours |
| 14:18:10 | Twiun | Hehe, temperatures actually get quite high in nearby Sweden... |
| 14:18:24 | Twiun | they hit 30 celsius in the summer |
| 14:18:55 | ljp_work | ya, I know.. people dont beleive me when I tell them Fairbanks Alaska can get up to 100 F in the summer |
| 14:19:41 | ljp_work | well, maybe they'll announce by the end of summer.. |
| 14:20:14 | Twiun | Nah... they'll just sit on the result |
| 14:20:19 | Twiun | safer that way |
| 14:20:37 | ljp_work | their loan fell through |
| 14:23:42 | ljp_work | at least they could email us and say, 'its taking longer than expected, please stand by..' |
| 14:24:21 | Twiun | Exactly |
| 14:24:34 | Twiun | shouldn't really stir... it's not Java related afterall |
| 14:24:37 | Twiun | grins |
| 14:25:04 | ljp_work | ya, just wait till the java contest |
| 14:25:16 | benmeyer | hehe it will be over "real" quick hehe |
| 14:25:52 | Twiun | Aye |
| 14:26:08 | Twiun | Actually... isn't it getting close to when we'll have a cvm implementation from Sun? |
| 14:26:16 | Twiun | they did say "in the Summer" |
| 14:26:22 | ljp_work | I mean, c'mon.. mozilla released version 1 in the time they are taking.. ;) |
| 14:59:42 | ljp_work | thinks about adding sound effects to textedit.. |
| 15:00:59 | ljp_work | hmmm |
| 15:01:41 | ljp_work | thinks about creating a Star Trek interface for qtopia |
| 15:02:40 | BigBoss | thinks ljp_work needs a life :) |
| 15:02:47 | ljp_work | hehe |
| 15:05:46 | ljp_work | c'mon LCARS interface would lok cool on the z.. |
| 15:06:42 | N0Remorse | bigboss |
| 15:07:22 | BigBoss | yes? |
| 15:07:33 | ljp_work | thinks about customizing his tkc icons and such |
| 15:07:35 | N0Remorse | Khensu thanks for mpg123 its made my fucken day |
| 15:08:22 | N0Remorse | bigboss - nevermind |
| 15:08:54 | N0Remorse | lets just say i finally am streaming |
| 15:09:12 | BigBoss | ah wait till you see our mpeg1/mpeg2/mpeg4/divx video player |
| 15:09:26 | BigBoss | we've got full movies reduced to the Z in under 200mb for mpeg4 |
| 15:09:28 | BigBoss | it's awesome |
| 15:09:37 | N0Remorse | thats cool |
| 15:09:56 | N0Remorse | streaming? : |
| 15:10:01 | N0Remorse | :) |
| 15:10:51 | roge99 | is back (gone 09:36:45) |
| 15:11:13 | BigBoss | i'm not sure if they did streaming or not |
| 15:11:18 | N0Remorse | from what i can see on face value you run a tight ship, VERY professional software |
| 15:11:24 | BigBoss | we've got 2 different products |
| 15:11:28 | BigBoss | thanks :) |
| 15:11:40 | ljp_work | opie's media player does mp3 streaming |
| 15:12:01 | BigBoss | one is for mpeg1/mpeg2 with a database search function (needs an internet connection) that will connect to our database and let you search for and download content |
| 15:12:06 | N0Remorse | i was once a software project manager, b4 i took on what i do now |
| 15:12:17 | BigBoss | this is all freely available stuff on the 'net - we don't charge for it (the content) |
| 15:12:30 | BigBoss | the other is higher end and meant for watching movies |
| 15:12:40 | arnt | watching movies on the z? |
| 15:12:42 | BigBoss | N0Remorse: what do you do now? |
| 15:12:45 | BigBoss | arnt: yes |
| 15:12:48 | ljp_work | like Star Trek movies? ;) |
| 15:12:52 | BigBoss | full length DVD's |
| 15:13:03 | N0Remorse | ljp we have discussed your streaming b4 :) |
| 15:13:03 | BigBoss | what else would you watch other than star wars? :) |
| 15:13:19 | BigBoss | ljp is trying to code himself out of a potential job :) |
| 15:13:28 | N0Remorse | bb run a mmd isp |
| 15:13:44 | BigBoss | if you haven't seen this, it is hilarious http://anon.ifilm.speedera.net/anon.ifilm/qt/portal/2439321_200.mov |
| 15:13:49 | BigBoss | mmd? |
| 15:13:51 | ljp_work | h.. ya.. people that put spaces in their urls.. |
| 15:14:13 | N0Remorse | complex i agree |
| 15:14:27 | N0Remorse | bb guess |
| 15:14:51 | N0Remorse | multi .... |
| 15:15:02 | BigBoss | well multi media is fairly obvious |
| 15:15:08 | BigBoss | but what is the 'd' for? |
| 15:15:10 | N0Remorse | hmm |
| 15:15:23 | N0Remorse | multi million dollar |
| 15:15:46 | BigBoss | oh, that is what *you* do now |
| 15:15:55 | N0Remorse | nods |
| 15:16:25 | BigBoss | but the big question is, do *you* have multi millions? :) |
| 15:16:36 | N0Remorse | nods |
| 15:16:37 | Com[Plex] | question, is there a way to make ipkg installer use a different location for the temp files? |
| 15:16:54 | Com[Plex] | from the command line.. |
| 15:17:45 | BigBoss | N0Remorse: then I have an investment opportunity for you :) |
| 15:18:18 | N0Remorse | :) |
| 15:18:26 | N0Remorse | bb where r u? |
| 15:18:43 | N0Remorse | i'll be in usa in oct |
| 15:19:37 | BigBoss | southern california |
| 15:19:41 | BigBoss | where are you at? |
| 15:19:41 | N0Remorse | bb -> get streaming |
| 15:19:49 | BigBoss | streaming video or audio? |
| 15:19:52 | BigBoss | we've got audio on the list |
| 15:20:00 | BigBoss | video might be in what we're doing already |
| 15:20:01 | N0Remorse | melbourne australia |
| 15:20:06 | N0Remorse | both |
| 15:20:10 | BigBoss | hey, I use to live in Melton |
| 15:20:22 | N0Remorse | awesome |
| 15:20:34 | N0Remorse | u oz? |
| 15:20:36 | warmi | hi |
| 15:20:44 | BigBoss | no, but I moved there when I was 18 for a while |
| 15:20:49 | N0Remorse | ok |
| 15:20:51 | BigBoss | was about 20 minutes north of Melton |
| 15:20:55 | BigBoss | middle of nowhere :) |
| 15:21:03 | N0Remorse | hehe |
| 15:21:16 | N0Remorse | ..... calder? |
| 15:22:10 | N0Remorse | or.... woodend?! |
| 15:22:10 | BigBoss | I think the address was technically melton |
| 15:22:26 | BigBoss | spent a bit of time in Jalong and bendigo (can't remember the spelling) |
| 15:22:26 | N0Remorse | k |
| 15:22:36 | N0Remorse | geelong |
| 15:22:40 | BigBoss | had some great chinese food in west waylong |
| 15:22:40 | N0Remorse | :) |
| 15:22:54 | BigBoss | no offense, but the food there was less than interesting when I lived there :) |
| 15:23:29 | N0Remorse | hehe try city, and DONT do chinese |
| 15:23:56 | N0Remorse | then its up there |
| 15:24:02 | BigBoss | also spent some time up in Brisbane which was nice |
| 15:24:09 | BigBoss | the people there were really nice |
| 15:24:12 | N0Remorse | how many staff u got? |
| 15:24:26 | N0Remorse | brisbane rocks |
| 15:24:41 | N0Remorse | got family that way |
| 15:25:04 | N0Remorse | and a pop |
| 15:25:40 | BigBoss | less than 20 |
| 15:25:54 | N0Remorse | bb get m3u going and tkcPlayer will be up at the top |
| 15:26:12 | N0Remorse | thats cool |
| 15:26:54 | ljp_work | I thought it was more like 300, BB... ;) |
| 15:27:15 | BigBoss | m3u is what? the playlist management? |
| 15:27:31 | N0Remorse | ljp -> go work for bb like he asked : ) |
| 15:27:36 | BigBoss | you gotta remember that I don't have the time to get deeply into everything |
| 15:27:39 | BigBoss | we've talked about it |
| 15:27:42 | BigBoss | need more money :) |
| 15:28:23 | N0Remorse | m3u is a text file of mp3 urls |
| 15:29:25 | N0Remorse | Z, on wlan, assuming it can stream, is an awesome music box |
| 15:29:37 | ljp_work | ya, and look out for %20 in the damn urls |
| 15:29:48 | N0Remorse | with mpg123 i have achived that |
| 15:30:03 | N0Remorse | hehe ljp u r close |
| 15:30:07 | ljp_work | well.. nnn nnn nn .. good for you... ;) |
| 15:30:31 | Twiun | talking of mpg123... anyone know where I can get ogg123... not from the forums atm, obviously |
| 15:30:37 | BigBoss | 20% what in the url? |
| 15:30:49 | ljp_work | heh I say that cause libmad has quircks with %20 |
| 15:30:55 | ljp_work | space |
| 15:31:01 | N0Remorse | ljp dont be so fucken defensive, u r obviously a very capable person |
| 15:31:14 | ljp_work | heheh I knwo Im joking :) |
| 15:31:25 | BigBoss | we wrote our own replacement to libmad, it is way more effecient |
| 15:31:32 | N0Remorse | cool! |
| 15:31:53 | N0Remorse | sorry i misread that ljp |
| 15:32:14 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 15:32:19 | ljp_work | heheh... thats ok. I forgot about that bug.. |
| 15:33:00 | N0Remorse | bb ljp has m3u going except it cant read percent20 |
| 15:33:19 | N0Remorse | (show me percent on Z softpad) |
| 15:33:41 | ljp_work | ya, I'm going to have to dig into libmad for that one, I'm afraid |
| 15:34:05 | Com[Plex] | FN G |
| 15:35:47 | BigBoss | N0Remorse: well if you want to sponsor some work, we'll do whatever you want |
| 15:41:43 | N0Remorse | bye! |
| 15:42:36 | benmeyer | Anyone have a Zaurus on the net that we could put a webserver on |
| 15:42:44 | benmeyer | i.e. see current article on slashdot |
| 15:43:01 | BigBoss | I've got a pong game you can put it on |
| 15:43:31 | benmeyer | a pong game? |
| 15:43:33 | benmeyer | you have a new game? |
| 15:44:33 | BigBoss | no, I mean a 30 year old pong box :) |
| 15:44:35 | BigBoss | it was a joke |
| 15:44:36 | Com[Plex] | hey guys? could all you developers remember one simple rule when building your ipkgs? dont put the files in a folder called "/opt/" put them in /home" that way they will install properly to the SD or CF cards, and I wont have totake it all apart and rebuild it myself..:> |
| 15:45:26 | Com[Plex] | well, I could put my Z on the net, I dont have a t1 anymore, but we got a pretty decent dsl feed with static ips. |
| 15:45:28 | | Slashdot - Updated 2002-06-06 15:25:51 | PocketPC Wireless Webserver | Hominids: The Neanderthal Parallax | Noise Control Stealth Tower | Is China's Control of the internet Slipping? |
| 15:45:28 | ljp_work | ibot: slashdot |
| 15:46:01 | Com[Plex] | but, I dont have the security patches in place to shut off all the backdoors on the Z.. so it wouldnt be very safe for me |
| 15:46:32 | benmeyer | hehe |
| 15:46:33 | benmeyer | true |
| 15:46:39 | benmeyer | that is next weeks project |
| 15:46:44 | benmeyer | make an ipk to secure the z |
| 15:46:52 | Com[Plex] | yeah? awesome :> |
| 15:47:18 | ljp_work | Com[Plex]: the proper place is actually /opt, /home is specific only to the Sharp's Zaurus |
| 15:47:58 | benmeyer | yah |
| 15:48:06 | benmeyer | but is that why it wont install for the sd? |
| 15:48:13 | Com[Plex] | this channel is "zaurus" |
| 15:48:46 | Com[Plex] | yes, the reason it wont install to SD, is if its built for /opt/ the files wont go. - even tho my SD is formatted to ext2. |
| 15:49:20 | Com[Plex] | ipkg causes an error. and you cant use the command line to do ti either |
| 15:50:22 | Com[Plex] | on the Z, wehen you install to SD from the gui, it puts the files in /usr/mnt.rom/Qtpalmtop NOT in /usr/mt.rom/opt/qtpalmtop. because "/home" is declared by the button you click in tyhe ipkg gui. |
| 15:50:50 | ljp_work | umm anything in mnt.rom is not writable |
| 15:51:00 | Com[Plex] | So, when you try to do it from the command like, saying ipkg -d https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/zaurus-general |
| 15:51:00 | Com[Plex] | install whatever.ipkg, it gets put in |
| 15:51:01 | ljp_work | heh whoops nnm |
| 15:51:18 | ljp_work | remembers Sharp's screwy filesystem |
| 15:51:20 | Com[Plex] | https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/zaurus-general |
| 15:51:39 | Com[Plex] | shit, vnc sucks for irc |
| 15:52:40 | Com[Plex] | So, when you try to do it from the command like, saying ipkg -d install whatever.ipk it puts it in /usr/mnt.rom/opt/Qtpalmtop wich doesnt work. |
| 15:53:14 | Com[Plex] | I left out the /card |
| 15:53:17 | Com[Plex] | sorry. |
| 15:53:34 | Com[Plex] | anyway, /mnt/card is the same as /usr/mnt.rom/card - but you knew that. |
| 15:53:55 | ljp_work | have you added /usr/mnt.rom/card/opt/QtPalmtop/bin to the PATH? |
| 15:54:55 | Com[Plex] | if I hadnt, would that make ipkg return an error ? |
| 15:55:51 | ljp_work | I don't know.. |
| 15:57:21 | Com[Plex] | hmm.. its not in the path, what Is is /home/QtPalmtop/bin |
| 15:59:02 | whardier | kergoth`home if I make changes to the kernel config in OZ.. where do I put them to exist with all these patches |
| 15:59:02 | whardier | or is that a very large impossibility |
| 16:01:35 | ljp_work | nothings impossible |
| 16:02:38 | whardier | should clean today |
| 16:04:39 | warmi | ComPLex: $ QPEDIR points to /opt/Qtopia on Sharp |
| 16:04:52 | warmi | so how can you not put your files into /opt |
| 16:07:48 | ljp_work | I do NOT feel like working today |
| 16:07:55 | Com[Plex] | warmi /0opt/QtPalmtop is not the same as /mnt/card/opt/QtPalmtop |
| 16:08:33 | Com[Plex] | on the sd card, it has to be Just /mnt/card/QtPalmtop |
| 16:08:40 | Com[Plex] | if the opt is thrown in there, things dont work |
| 16:09:08 | whardier | ljp_work wanna ditch work and go snuggle somewhere?! |
| 16:09:23 | ljp_work | whardier: only if you have big boobs |
| 16:09:29 | whardier | I can make some |
| 16:09:35 | Com[Plex] | woot! just got iceWM on her finally, now I can play Day of the Tentacle! |
| 16:09:37 | ljp_work | no fakies |
| 16:09:40 | whardier | :( |
| 16:09:45 | NeoTron | is away: work |
| 16:11:38 | arnt | my z doesn't have /proc/net/wireless |
| 16:11:51 | arnt | does any of you know whether it has something equivalent? |
| 16:12:16 | arnt | wants to see how good his 802.11 coverage is out in the backyard |
| 16:14:08 | whardier | hmm |
| 16:14:20 | whardier | 27 cans |
| 16:14:28 | whardier | 2 cups |
| 16:14:37 | whardier | 4 donuts |
| 16:14:47 | whardier | all around 1 monitor |
| 16:14:50 | whardier | should clean |
| 16:17:02 | ljp_work | you only have 1 monitor? |
| 16:18:34 | ljp_work | I bet its small too |
| 16:33:50 | Com[Plex] | *sigh* anyone here used icewm on the z? |
| 16:35:17 | ljp_work | having problems? |
| 16:37:50 | ljp_work | bbl |
| 16:37:56 | Com[Plex] | well, trying to get thie scummvm emulator to run on the Z, and I finally get x11 libs and icewm in and running, but when I try to run the scummvm - it gives me an eror saying error while loading shared libraries libncurses.so.5 |
| 16:38:06 | Com[Plex] | shit |
| 16:39:26 | warmi | make a soft link of your existing ncurses lib |
| 16:39:37 | Com[Plex] | k |
| 16:39:46 | warmi | create libncurses.so.5 pointing to your existing ncurses library |
| 16:39:47 | Com[Plex] | I wonder where I should make it tho.. |
| 16:39:48 | warmi | yeah |
| 16:39:55 | Com[Plex] | hmm.. let me check the path. should be enough |
| 16:41:56 | Com[Plex] | well shit,. its asking for ncurses 5, I got 4 |
| 16:42:10 | Com[Plex] | where can I get the right one? |
| 16:42:31 | Com[Plex] | grumbles |
| 16:42:39 | warmi | I had tons of software installed on z that was asking for 5 |
| 16:42:46 | warmi | gdb etc .. |
| 16:42:53 | warmi | and it works with 4 |
| 16:42:58 | Com[Plex] | gdb ? |
| 16:43:07 | Com[Plex] | ahh, so I just link 4 to 5 |
| 16:43:15 | warmi | yeah, |
| 16:43:27 | warmi | that's what I said |
| 16:50:48 | warmi | fusion94: you working for Sharp now ? |
| 16:50:58 | fusion94 | um... |
| 16:50:59 | fusion94 | no |
| 16:51:12 | fusion94 | if i do i don't know about it |
| 16:51:14 | fusion94 | why ? |
| 16:51:15 | Com[Plex] | grumblke.. |
| 16:51:28 | warmi | I am asking because I think I saw you talking about that with Jason |
| 16:51:41 | warmi | something about some contract .. I assumed it was hiring contract |
| 16:51:54 | Com[Plex] | now its looking for the library, "libstdc++-libc6.2-2.s0.3" |
| 16:51:57 | fusion94 | well, i may do some work for sharp but still waiting for them to sign the contract and pony up some cash |
| 16:51:58 | Com[Plex] | so |
| 16:52:21 | warmi | oh so that would be contract work |
| 16:52:25 | warmi | kernel stuff ? |
| 16:53:48 | warmi | Complex: I don't know about libstdc .. |
| 16:54:09 | warmi | I guess you will have to either install it |
| 16:54:20 | warmi | or crosscompile icewm without it |
| 16:54:37 | Com[Plex] | hmm.. |
| 16:54:53 | warmi | it is a standard C++ library that gets "compiled" in whenever you use g++ heh |
| 16:55:04 | treke | icewm might not be compilable without major porting work though |
| 16:55:06 | Com[Plex] | I dont think I have the source for icewm.. |
| 16:55:14 | warmi | treke: why is that ? |
| 16:55:22 | Com[Plex] | well, Im running it right now |
| 16:55:39 | warmi | Com[Plex]: sure you can get the source .. I compiled it myself ( for x86 that is) many times |
| 16:55:41 | treke | warmi : If it actually uses stuff from libstdc++ and isnt just linked against it |
| 16:55:57 | warmi | o yeah , could be |
| 16:56:01 | Com[Plex] | uh.. Ill have to try compiling it from source when I get home. |
| 16:56:11 | treke | If it doesnt need anything from it, then there isnt a problem :) |
| 16:56:12 | Com[Plex] | the prblem is, I dont really have a clue what im doing |
| 16:56:37 | warmi | but I somehow doubt icewm uses std |
| 16:57:47 | warmi | Complex: well, if you try to install libstdc then you might find that this lib itself needs another set of 5 libs which in turn might needs something else ... a vicious circle |
| 16:57:48 | warmi | heheh |
| 16:58:29 | Com[Plex] | right.. but, I would like to just get it all in there.. I want this to work |
| 16:58:42 | Com[Plex] | Id like to know wher I can find the stdc |
| 16:59:20 | Com[Plex] | I had to uninstall like EVERY aopp I had on here to make room for this stupid installer. lol |
| 17:00:31 | Com[Plex] | heres another question, - when trying to build an ipkg on the Z, using ipkg-build, Ive noticed that thers no compression in the tar |
| 17:00:42 | Com[Plex] | its just storing. so the tar is 3 megs as opposed to 1.4 |
| 17:00:51 | Com[Plex] | /s tar ipk |
| 17:04:35 | Com[Plex] | also, what IS the correct syntax of the "find" command on the zaurus? |
| 17:05:39 | warmi | whoa .. we have a root among us |
| 17:05:48 | warmi | heh |
| 17:06:42 | CloudChaser | hunter |
| 17:06:51 | CloudChaser | oops ww |
| 17:08:45 | JasonNJ | hey dudes. |
| 17:09:00 | bill20r3 | find . -name 'filename_here' -print |
| 17:09:03 | JasonNJ | dont bother emailing me about the zauruszone forums. We're working on it. :) |
| 17:09:08 | bill20r3 | that will find files under the current directory.. |
| 17:10:36 | Com[Plex] | thank you kill |
| 17:10:48 | Com[Plex] | bill |
| 17:10:50 | bill20r3 | np |
| 17:11:22 | bill20r3 | I'm thinking of buying a zaurus, but I'm worried about 16megs of flash not being enough, should I be worried about that? |
| 17:12:38 | Com[Plex] | nah, the flash is fine, and your getting a 5500 with 640 megs opf ram |
| 17:12:47 | Com[Plex] | your gonna be golden |
| 17:13:03 | bill20r3 | can you load and run binaries off a SD card? |
| 17:13:13 | Com[Plex] | yes |
| 17:13:15 | warmi | 640 .. ah I wish |
| 17:13:20 | bill20r3 | I was thinking a 128M sd card, and a 802.11 CF card |
| 17:13:23 | Com[Plex] | I run Everything I install from teh SD card |
| 17:13:25 | warmi | that would be something |
| 17:13:36 | Com[Plex] | - seriously, I got almost 30 megs worth of apps entirely installed to SD |
| 17:13:38 | bill20r3 | also, does using a wifi card make battery life suffer much? |
| 17:13:56 | bill20r3 | how big os your SD card? |
| 17:13:58 | Com[Plex] | yeah, but not as much as a rj45 card :> |
| 17:14:02 | neurosys | 640 opf ram???? |
| 17:14:12 | Com[Plex] | my wireless is easier on the battery than my 100tx card |
| 17:14:20 | Com[Plex] | 64 sorry |
| 17:14:28 | warmi | it has 64 Megs of ram |
| 17:14:33 | neurosys | oh |
| 17:14:38 | neurosys | smacks himself |
| 17:14:49 | neurosys | isnt is in half thought? |
| 17:14:52 | Com[Plex] | im on vnc. so cant see my tpos till I send em and click in the window |
| 17:14:53 | neurosys | usless you use OZ? |
| 17:14:57 | bill20r3 | Do I need a ethernet card for anything, if I have 802.11? |
| 17:15:13 | [DrEvil] | 802.11 is fine |
| 17:15:18 | bill20r3 | k |
| 17:15:26 | bill20r3 | I figured |
| 17:15:26 | [DrEvil] | unless you are going to networks that don't have 802.11 |
| 17:15:29 | [DrEvil] | or don't allow it |
| 17:15:42 | bill20r3 | nah, I have wireless at home & work.. |
| 17:15:53 | bill20r3 | has anyone managed to find a better price than $439? |
| 17:16:11 | Com[Plex] | I use the ethernet card because its about 50 times faster than that slow assed 802.11 |
| 17:16:14 | [DrEvil] | if you download questionable material... |
| 17:16:20 | ljp_work | I got mine for free, is that better? |
| 17:16:22 | Com[Plex] | I think 439 is a damned good price. |
| 17:16:22 | [DrEvil] | then you might want an ethernet card |
| 17:16:38 | bill20r3 | ljp, that's better, where do I get mine for free too? :-) |
| 17:16:58 | [DrEvil] | is anyone working on a VPN client/server for the Z? |
| 17:18:39 | whardier | rarw |
| 17:18:43 | whardier | RAWR |
| 17:18:45 | whardier | RAAAWR! |
| 17:18:57 | whardier | snuggles up knowing this channel is all his now |
| 17:19:23 | [DrEvil] | all your's? |
| 17:19:30 | whardier | eats [DrEvil] |
| 17:19:31 | whardier | all mine |
| 17:19:44 | [DrEvil] | did you h4x0r it? |
| 17:20:25 | whardier | eats [DrEvil]'s talking head |
| 17:20:30 | whardier | all mine |
| 17:20:52 | [DrEvil] | change the topic if it is all your's |
| 17:23:40 | whardier | kicks [DrEvil] inside of his stomache |
| 17:23:41 | whardier | SHADDUP! |
| 17:23:47 | neurosys | lol |
| 17:24:00 | [DrEvil] | um |
| 17:24:02 | [DrEvil] | yeah |
| 17:24:05 | [DrEvil] | I thought so |
| 17:24:08 | whardier | hump on a stick |
| 17:24:16 | whardier | walks about for a while |
| 17:24:22 | whardier | heh |
| 17:24:22 | neurosys | teehee |
| 17:24:29 | whardier | nbn ? |
| 17:24:59 | [DrEvil] | uh-huh |
| 17:25:04 | neurosys | hehe |
| 17:25:05 | [DrEvil] | I see your dishonest ways |
| 17:25:15 | whardier | [DrEvil] don't make me swim with you in my stomache! |
| 17:25:42 | neurosys | man. i bid and won a brand new SL-5500 on ebay and the bastard didnt sell it to me. |
| 17:25:44 | [DrEvil] | I'll give you a crippling cramp |
| 17:25:53 | [DrEvil] | speaking of that |
| 17:25:54 | bill20r3 | lousy |
| 17:25:56 | [DrEvil] | ebay |
| 17:26:00 | [DrEvil] | someone hasn't sent me money |
| 17:26:02 | neurosys | im gonnna wait till the 89th day and leave neg. feedback :-P |
| 17:26:19 | bill20r3 | why wait? |
| 17:26:27 | bill20r3 | so he doesnt' have time to dispute it? |
| 17:26:29 | neurosys | DrEvil: what you got on ebay? |
| 17:26:29 | whardier | that sucks? |
| 17:26:38 | neurosys | bill20r3: Exactly |
| 17:26:43 | bill20r3 | heh heh |
| 17:26:46 | [DrEvil] | I had a Kenwood head unit on ebay |
| 17:26:55 | benmeyer | Only got jipped once, but it was for 250 and not 500 |
| 17:27:24 | benmeyer | but that was out of several hundred so I would still use e-bay |
| 17:27:36 | benmeyer | Working on this package Manager |
| 17:27:53 | benmeyer | I think I will put together a list of catagories that applications should try to follow for sections |
| 17:27:58 | whardier | I want broken ipaqs and Zauruses |
| 17:27:58 | benmeyer | in the control file |
| 17:27:59 | neurosys | I got my t68i, Socket BT CF, but no zaurus to test it! |
| 17:28:19 | neurosys | but my girl saw how pissed i got about the ebay zaurus thing shes gonna get me one teehee |
| 17:28:53 | neurosys | but its really my money in the end.. so i dunno what im happy about :P |
| 17:29:03 | [DrEvil] | I want a BT card |
| 17:29:13 | [DrEvil] | someone finish the BT support on the Z |
| 17:29:27 | neurosys | i can beta it., im no developer though. |
| 17:29:41 | neurosys | i dont have the mentality to program :( |
| 17:29:48 | whardier | hmm |
| 17:29:51 | [DrEvil] | I hope sharp is working on it |
| 17:29:58 | whardier | a dude named neurosys has no mentality? |
| 17:30:05 | ljp_work | ha .. sharp.. work? ha |
| 17:30:13 | neurosys | not the Mentality to code... :) |
| 17:30:19 | whardier | right |
| 17:30:20 | whardier | no mentality |
| 17:30:24 | whardier | thats what I said |
| 17:30:31 | neurosys | someone ported the BlueZ to zaurus |
| 17:30:52 | neurosys | kicks whardier in the nads |
| 17:30:57 | whardier | hey |
| 17:31:06 | [DrEvil] | does whardier even have nads? |
| 17:31:09 | whardier | I would say that smarts.. but it came from YOU! |
| 17:31:11 | neurosys | see. i have mentality again! |
| 17:31:49 | whardier | heh |
| 17:31:51 | whardier | anyhoot |
| 17:32:00 | whardier | time to go loosen up a few brain cells |
| 17:32:04 | neurosys | lol |
| 17:32:21 | neurosys | im very anxious to try BT on the zaurus. |
| 17:32:31 | neurosys | just gotta get a zaurus :) |
| 17:32:34 | whardier | BT? |
| 17:32:35 | whardier | BlueZ |
| 17:32:38 | neurosys | Yeah |
| 17:32:38 | whardier | whats that stuff? |
| 17:32:43 | neurosys | BlueTooth |
| 17:32:50 | whardier | err |
| 17:32:55 | whardier | isn't it part of the old kernel? |
| 17:32:55 | whardier | haha |
| 17:32:56 | whardier | well |
| 17:32:57 | whardier | it can be |
| 17:33:05 | whardier | but noOZ developers have BT equipment |
| 17:33:34 | neurosys | someone ported BlueZ to the Zaurus already tho |
| 17:33:46 | neurosys | actually the BlueZ author |
| 17:33:46 | JasonNJ | sharp is testng bluez internally |
| 17:33:58 | neurosys | I have it |
| 17:33:59 | neurosys | :) |
| 17:34:00 | whardier | good |
| 17:34:01 | JasonNJ | a future Z will likely have it built in |
| 17:34:05 | whardier | is starting to get bluez ballz |
| 17:34:11 | whardier | I wanna play with BT |
| 17:34:14 | neurosys | Future Z |
| 17:34:14 | ljp_work | opie devs have bluetooth stuff |
| 17:34:20 | whardier | neato |
| 17:34:33 | neurosys | i didnt see any BT stuff in Opies lists |
| 17:34:37 | JasonNJ | bluez in adn of itself works fine, but what we need is a qt front end that is easy to deal with |
| 17:34:48 | JasonNJ | your average user will not be able to deal with bluez |
| 17:34:55 | neurosys | JasonNJ: That would make life easier. |
| 17:35:07 | ljp_work | opies BT stuff is brand new in cvs |
| 17:35:12 | neurosys | OHhh |
| 17:35:27 | JasonNJ | opie has bluetooth configuration already? |
| 17:35:36 | neurosys | is looking.. |
| 17:35:46 | fusion94 | JasonNJ: morning |
| 17:37:45 | JasonNJ | morning |
| 17:37:57 | ljp_work | not sure how far along the Bt stuff is |
| 17:38:32 | neurosys | whats the URL for his CVS list again!? |
| 17:39:17 | ljp_work | hmm |
| 17:39:21 | ljp_work | hangon |
| 17:40:10 | ljp_work | http://handhelds.org/mailman/listinfo/opie-cvs |
| 17:40:29 | ljp_work | the list? |
| 17:40:35 | ljp_work | err that even |
| 17:41:11 | George- | I'm away (foooooood) |
| 17:42:05 | whardier | Dear SHANE SPENCER, |
| 17:42:06 | whardier | Being a father myself, I understand that men might want to get something |
| 17:42:06 | whardier | other than a tie for Father's Day every now and then. So why not treat |
| 17:42:08 | whardier | ... |
| 17:42:09 | whardier | ? |
| 17:42:13 | whardier | I have no kids! |
| 17:42:44 | JasonNJ | thank god for that |
| 17:42:53 | JasonNJ | I am not sure if I could deal with you having offspring |
| 17:43:15 | whardier | dude |
| 17:43:21 | whardier | l33t little hacker babiez |
| 17:43:34 | whardier | then I could say shit lik |
| 17:43:35 | JasonNJ | spawn of satan |
| 17:43:36 | whardier | e |
| 17:43:41 | whardier | my 2 year old could hack that box! |
| 17:43:45 | whardier | SataN! |
| 17:43:46 | whardier | ? |
| 17:43:53 | whardier | I see how it is |
| 17:44:00 | whardier | I thought you all loved .. me.. |
| 17:44:07 | whardier | runs off crying like a fucking twat. |
| 17:44:16 | ljp_work | typical |
| 17:44:16 | BigBoss | it is best if whardier not breed |
| 17:44:20 | JasonNJ | more pingzaurus dammit |
| 17:44:27 | JasonNJ | get back to work and stop sobbing |
| 17:44:38 | BigBoss | work? are they getting paid? |
| 17:44:41 | whardier | I need to retrace him |
| 17:44:42 | whardier | :( |
| 17:44:50 | whardier | damnit |
| 17:44:55 | whardier | its a long process |
| 17:44:57 | BigBoss | work is defined as being paid, otherwise it is leisure :) |
| 17:45:01 | JasonNJ | BigBoss: I'm not getting paid, but I'm working :) |
| 17:45:03 | whardier | haha |
| 17:45:04 | whardier | I wanna work |
| 17:45:08 | whardier | not be sucked dry |
| 17:45:11 | whardier | well |
| 17:45:14 | whardier | err |
| 17:45:16 | whardier | yeah |
| 17:45:31 | whardier | should not give himself sex until he gets money.. |
| 17:45:34 | neurosys | I wanna be sucked dry. no work! :)\ |
| 17:45:35 | whardier | can punish himself |
| 17:45:37 | JasonNJ | why, I'm just going all of this for my health. Didnt you know that? |
| 17:46:20 | JasonNJ | I cant beleive I am getting porno emails on my sharp account |
| 17:46:23 | JasonNJ | this sux |
| 17:46:29 | whardier | hahaha |
| 17:46:35 | whardier | somebody must love you! |
| 17:46:43 | fusion94 | JasonNJ: hopefully not frome miura-san or spencer |
| 17:46:54 | whardier | my last name is spencer. |
| 17:47:03 | JasonNJ | at least those would be amusing |
| 17:47:14 | fusion94 | heh |
| 17:47:16 | JasonNJ | I am curious as to what their preferences in porno would be |
| 17:47:17 | ljp_work | my great grandmother's maiden name was Spencer |
| 17:47:27 | whardier | oh no! |
| 17:47:34 | fusion94 | JasonNJ: tell sharp-jpn to hurry up |
| 17:47:38 | whardier | that could make things just terribly wrong! |
| 17:47:47 | JasonNJ | for miura it would be an 800 page itemized list of zaurus apps sorted by every stupid statistic imaginable |
| 17:47:55 | fusion94 | lol |
| 17:48:11 | whardier | also tell them to give me money |
| 17:48:17 | whardier | I have stuff they need to get working |
| 17:48:18 | whardier | :P |
| 17:48:48 | JasonNJ | whardier: you stopped being useful ages ago |
| 17:48:57 | JasonNJ | you need to earn your keep |
| 17:49:19 | JasonNJ | fire up your copy of Gimp and give me like 10 new pingizauru pics stat! |
| 17:49:41 | warmi | heh |
| 17:49:42 | whardier | JasonNJ err.. |
| 17:49:44 | ljp_work | what ever happened to the 3D pingi? |
| 17:49:47 | whardier | I was usefull to other people |
| 17:49:50 | JasonNJ | yeah 3d pingi |
| 17:49:55 | JasonNJ | whardier: just kidding |
| 17:50:07 | whardier | JasonNJ http://www.beringsea.com/communities/Saint_Paul/goingwireless2002/ |
| 17:50:22 | whardier | thats about 1/10 of the shit I have been doing for those people. hehe |
| 17:50:30 | whardier | 3d pingi looked funky |
| 17:50:35 | whardier | I am gonna redo him in blender |
| 17:50:43 | JasonNJ | I still dont understand what eskimoes need wirless internet for |
| 17:50:56 | fusion94 | JasonNJ: http://fusion94.deviantart.com new wallpaper i did last night |
| 17:51:00 | ljp_work | sam e as New Jerseyians |
| 17:51:22 | JasonNJ | new jerseyians dont need it either |
| 17:51:50 | JasonNJ | cool stuff fusion |
| 17:52:12 | whardier | JasonNJ haha.. its called bringing them to the tech edge |
| 17:52:14 | whardier | uhm |
| 17:52:21 | whardier | us stupid americans took all their fish |
| 17:52:24 | whardier | so they all need jobs |
| 17:52:26 | whardier | or they die |
| 17:52:26 | ljp_work | alaskan need wireless because wires take too long to lay down over the distances |
| 17:52:37 | JasonNJ | I am convinced that giving people personal computers was a bad idea |
| 17:52:40 | whardier | that and digging permafreeze sucks |
| 17:52:45 | JasonNJ | I liked the good old apple 2 days better |
| 17:52:51 | whardier | JasonNJ :P |
| 17:52:56 | JasonNJ | when only the true elite could go onto compuserve |
| 17:53:14 | jmhodges | heya folks |
| 17:54:45 | ljp_work | bbl |
| 17:54:52 | whardier | JasonNJ hehe.. its hard to string a cable over the ice ring.. |
| 17:55:39 | jmhodges | whardier: im pissed at myself.. i lost that iptables command you gave me last night ;) guess ill have to look over my OReilly books :P |
| 17:56:03 | whardier | err |
| 17:56:07 | whardier | or I could tell you again |
| 17:56:20 | whardier | iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o ppp0 -j MASQUERADE |
| 17:56:22 | jmhodges | you have it on hand? wow.. that would be nice |
| 17:56:30 | whardier | <- grepmaster |
| 17:56:33 | whardier | you should become one too |
| 17:56:34 | jmhodges | claps his hands gleefully |
| 17:56:36 | jmhodges | hehehe whardier |
| 17:56:48 | whardier | hehe |
| 17:56:50 | jmhodges | i need to turn logging back on this client.. |
| 17:56:52 | whardier | it worked well last night? |
| 17:56:59 | whardier | you were able to hit thehun.net from your PDA? |
| 17:57:02 | whardier | thats the first thing I did |
| 17:57:13 | whardier | avantgo works well with the hun. |
| 17:57:14 | whardier | haha |
| 17:57:23 | whardier | 4 bit porn |
| 17:57:23 | jmhodges | well .. it worked last night.. was even able to get Opera to load lunar-linux.org |
| 17:57:48 | George- | back |
| 17:57:49 | | whardier: i'm not following you... |
| 17:57:49 | whardier | ibot host segfault.bogomip.com |
| 17:57:51 | whardier | damnit |
| 17:57:56 | whardier | he does not have a dig command |
| 17:58:07 | whardier | ibot nslookup segfault.bogomip.com |
| 17:58:09 | | segfault.bogomip.com is 206.196.148.67 |
| 17:58:12 | whardier | neat |
| 17:58:39 | whardier | I sohuld give my PDA an external IP |
| 17:58:43 | jmhodges | whardier: hehe i love ibot-like ...bots.. i saw that you had an http server up but no text :) |
| 17:58:45 | whardier | actually |
| 17:58:47 | whardier | it already has one |
| 17:58:50 | whardier | sorta |
| 17:59:10 | whardier | jmhodges haha.. its an exclusive web server |
| 17:59:12 | | benmeyer: huh? |
| 17:59:12 | benmeyer | ibot ping www.yahoo.com |
| 17:59:14 | whardier | touch index.html |
| 17:59:16 | benmeyer | dang |
| 17:59:17 | whardier | keeps people out |
| 17:59:32 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 18:00:12 | whardier | http://segfault.bogomip.com/bastard/movies/ |
| 18:00:16 | whardier | there is a url I give out |
| 18:00:26 | whardier | grab http://segfault.bogomip.com/bastard/movies/Shaolin%20Soccer/ |
| 18:00:27 | whardier | wait |
| 18:00:29 | whardier | ppp0 |
| 18:00:30 | whardier | nevermind |
| 18:00:31 | whardier | hahaha |
| 18:01:30 | bill20r3 | cml |
| 18:01:30 | neurosys | POLL : What Resolution you running at and what the size of your monitor? |
| 18:01:36 | whardier | haha |
| 18:01:46 | whardier | 24" @ 1920x1280x32 |
| 18:01:51 | whardier | do I win? |
| 18:02:01 | neurosys | heh nope |
| 18:02:05 | benmeyer | http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/06/06/1522257&mode=nested&tid=100 |
| 18:02:13 | benmeyer | hehe my post about the Zaurus got a 5 |
| 18:02:31 | whardier | haha |
| 18:02:32 | whardier | dude |
| 18:02:43 | benmeyer | whardier: do you have a Sony GWV-900 too? |
| 18:02:48 | bill20r3 | yay |
| 18:02:54 | whardier | when BOA got moved over it should have been on slashdot |
| 18:02:58 | benmeyer | 24" @ 1920x1280x16 is mine |
| 18:03:04 | whardier | what that article was about was just plain silly |
| 18:03:20 | whardier | benmeyer GW900 |
| 18:03:21 | whardier | ? |
| 18:03:29 | benmeyer | Sony 24" widescreen monitor |
| 18:03:34 | whardier | thats my bitch! |
| 18:03:39 | whardier | I love it! |
| 18:03:48 | whardier | it makes people panick when they sit at my computer |
| 18:03:54 | benmeyer | http://www.csh.rit.edu/~benjamin/desktop/network.shtml |
| 18:03:54 | neurosys | how mych that run you? |
| 18:03:59 | whardier | free |
| 18:04:00 | whardier | haha |
| 18:04:01 | benmeyer | $1700 |
| 18:04:34 | neurosys | wow.. |
| 18:04:38 | neurosys | great price! |
| 18:04:54 | whardier | I used to have this screen.. that chair.. no kvm but two boxes and 2 sets of input |
| 18:04:58 | neurosys | got anymore? :) |
| 18:05:00 | benmeyer | at the time it was $2500 |
| 18:05:08 | benmeyer | so it _was_ a very good price |
| 18:05:12 | benmeyer | now it is 18-19 |
| 18:05:25 | whardier | still fucking expensive |
| 18:05:27 | whardier | but beautifull |
| 18:05:30 | benmeyer | yup |
| 18:05:33 | whardier | I just want a 1600x1200 projector |
| 18:05:34 | whardier | haha |
| 18:05:35 | benmeyer | Well I did DVD development all day |
| 18:05:43 | benmeyer | so that is how I was able to get it |
| 18:06:03 | benmeyer | nothing like having to move your eyes to see the whole screen |
| 18:06:07 | whardier | hahaha |
| 18:06:25 | whardier | it makes me happy.. |
| 18:06:28 | benmeyer | Now that I work for Sharp I am going to get a sharp projector for my tv (currently have a 12" little thing) |
| 18:06:42 | whardier | neurosys why did you poll? |
| 18:06:50 | benmeyer | whardier do you currently have it or used too? |
| 18:06:55 | whardier | still have it |
| 18:06:58 | whardier | looking at it right now |
| 18:07:49 | whardier | goes to loosen a few brain cells |
| 18:07:55 | neurosys | Wondering how CRT is better than LCD |
| 18:08:07 | whardier | bigger resolutions at 1/4 the price |
| 18:08:08 | benmeyer | One thing I love about it is how it has two inputs so if you use a kvm you don't get any signal loss from having to go through the kvm with the video |
| 18:08:19 | whardier | LCD is wonderfull however.. I like some of the 1280x1024 displays |
| 18:08:35 | neurosys | seen that new 24" samsung? |
| 18:08:39 | whardier | I want the 1600x1440 displays that somebody has |
| 18:08:50 | whardier | 24"! |
| 18:09:04 | neurosys | yup yup |
| 18:09:09 | neurosys | heh its like 5 G |
| 18:09:36 | whardier | haha |
| 18:09:36 | whardier | wow |
| 18:09:38 | whardier | I want a few! |
| 18:11:33 | whardier | http://www.samsungelectronics.com/semiconductors/TFT_LCD/Monitors/LTM240W1/ltm240w1.htm |
| 18:11:43 | whardier | dear lord! |
| 18:12:01 | whardier | I want that! |
| 18:13:03 | benmeyer | Just get the mac one |
| 18:13:07 | wembly | is there an email client that supports auth for the zaurus? |
| 18:13:07 | benmeyer | and get an adapter |
| 18:13:09 | benmeyer | save 2L |
| 18:13:12 | benmeyer | 2K |
| 18:13:33 | whardier | haha |
| 18:13:34 | whardier | its ugly |
| 18:13:39 | whardier | whats the macs max res? |
| 18:19:56 | darienm | Max res of a specific device? |
| 18:23:48 | wembly | is away. Automatically set away [SZon] |
| 18:24:15 | whardier | of the huce LCD of theirs |
| 18:25:12 | tux_mike | whardier: what were the physical dimensions? |
| 18:26:02 | darienm | the new 23-inch (1920-by-1200-pixel) ... http://www.apple.com/displays |
| 18:26:49 | Neo|Work | if I was rich to my ears, a monitor or two like that would be a definite buy |
| 18:27:05 | darienm | With a resolution of 1600-by-1024 pixels, the 22-inch Apple Cinema Display ... (smaller version) |
| 18:27:28 | darienm | I have the 1280 x 1024 version, myself. |
| 18:27:47 | darienm | ... which is plenty-big for me. |
| 18:38:42 | benmeyer | try changing the install point in /home/QtPalmtop/etc/ipkg.conf from |
| 18:38:42 | benmeyer | > /mnt/card/ to /mnt/card/.app |
| 18:38:52 | benmeyer | That solves the SD CF issues |
| 18:38:56 | benmeyer | with it scanning everything |
| 18:38:58 | benmeyer | yah! |
| 18:39:49 | George- | is the z good to use as a digicam? |
| 18:40:02 | George- | a portable digicam/photo editing station? :) |
| 18:41:40 | bill20r3 | I think the camera-card is only like .35 megapixels.. |
| 18:41:40 | whardier | haha |
| 18:41:41 | whardier | wrong |
| 18:42:38 | benmeyer | yah |
| 18:42:48 | benmeyer | get a real digital camera that uses a microdrive |
| 18:42:55 | benmeyer | i.e. casio ez3500 or 4000 |
| 18:43:08 | wembly | anyone know much about the email client on the zaurus? |
| 18:43:17 | | zsi is probably http://killefiz.de/zaurus/ |
| 18:43:17 | treke | ibot, zsi? |
| 18:43:17 | benmeyer | it isn't very good... |
| 18:43:20 | benmeyer | ;-) |
| 18:43:41 | wembly | benmeyer: who you talkin to? |
| 18:44:04 | benmeyer | you |
| 18:44:14 | benmeyer | the deafult e-mail app isn't all that good |
| 18:44:17 | benmeyer | has imap issues |
| 18:44:20 | benmeyer | unfortunettly |
| 18:44:28 | wembly | know of anything better? |
| 18:44:39 | benmeyer | nope |
| 18:44:56 | George- | i mean like |
| 18:45:03 | Twiun | rehi |
| 18:45:05 | George- | is the camera good for just like, general crap :) |
| 18:45:09 | bill20r3 | can you run fetchmail and then mutt in a shell? |
| 18:45:13 | bill20r3 | or anything like that? |
| 18:45:38 | benmeyer | yup |
| 18:45:47 | benmeyer | telnet and ssh work great |
| 18:46:06 | bill20r3 | is there a decent irc client? |
| 18:46:07 | treke | bill20r3 : I use mutt in a shell with its imap support |
| 18:46:15 | wembly | bill20r3: for what? |
| 18:46:36 | bill20r3 | uh, for irc... |
| 18:46:43 | KhensU | bitchx! |
| 18:46:45 | benmeyer | and zic is for the can |
| 18:46:47 | benmeyer | hehe |
| 18:46:51 | NetAmp | BitchX indahouse! |
| 18:46:53 | bill20r3 | there's a bitchx binary? |
| 18:46:57 | bill20r3 | that works.. |
| 18:46:58 | George- | bill20r3: zic |
| 18:47:17 | bill20r3 | anyone here irc'ing from thier zaurus now? |
| 18:47:23 | George- | can you get opera for OpenZaurus? |
| 18:47:54 | benmeyer | I am going to make a script to rip into ipks |
| 18:47:59 | benmeyer | before flashing into opie |
| 18:49:05 | darienm | I could be IRC'ing from my Z. in about 30 seconds. |
| 18:49:10 | darienm | I was the other day. |
| 18:49:39 | tux_mike | ... i hate starting projects off from scratch |
| 18:50:27 | onmyz | hi |
| 18:50:33 | CloudChaser | hi |
| 18:50:35 | ZKhensU | hi |
| 18:50:36 | onmyz | on my z |
| 18:50:41 | Twiun | tux_mike likewise ;-) |
| 18:50:42 | onmyz | he he |
| 18:50:54 | Twiun | pokes onmyz |
| 18:51:01 | Twiun | it lives! |
| 18:51:01 | onmyz | hey |
| 18:51:08 | tux_mike | twiun: i'm making a battletech program for the Z |
| 18:51:13 | onmyz | nice |
| 18:51:19 | onmyz | would like that |
| 18:51:41 | benmeyer | ok time to do real work with my z |
| 18:51:42 | benmeyer | :-D |
| 18:51:44 | Twiun | tux_mike: battletech? |
| 18:51:45 | NetAmp | battletech? |
| 18:51:53 | NetAmp | heh |
| 18:51:59 | benmeyer | i.e. program robots to fight? |
| 18:52:05 | benmeyer | writing a new package manager |
| 18:52:15 | Twiun | Ahh |
| 18:52:16 | tux_mike | yah, it's a board game of giant fighting robots. it's a fun game. |
| 18:52:21 | darien_Z | I'm on my zaurus here. |
| 18:52:28 | benmeyer | on qt right now? |
| 18:52:31 | benmeyer | i.e kde? |
| 18:52:35 | darien_Z | Yes, Qt running zic |
| 18:52:45 | Neo|Work | tux_mike: if you make a battletech game I'll love ya. :) |
| 18:52:54 | NetAmp | There's something like that for Java, with little tanks... |
| 18:52:54 | Neo|Work | would it be a board game simulator or? |
| 18:52:57 | tux_mike | neo: i need graphics for it though. |
| 18:53:04 | Neo|Work | (btw, there's a need for a desktop version too... :) |
| 18:53:10 | tux_mike | yes, and a mechlab, and a score sheet |
| 18:53:14 | Neo|Work | cool |
| 18:53:15 | Guru | hello! |
| 18:53:18 | Neo|Work | that'd be awesome |
| 18:53:23 | bill20r3 | is there a tetrnet client yet? |
| 18:53:25 | tux_mike | the board game simulator is last though |
| 18:53:38 | darien_Z | bill20r3: asking me? |
| 18:53:44 | Guru | tux_mike: mechwarrier for Z? |
| 18:53:44 | bill20r3 | asking whoever.. |
| 18:54:03 | darien_Z | bill20r3: tetrnet or telnet? |
| 18:54:10 | tux_mike | not really. more like battletech for the Z. board game |
| 18:54:15 | Neo|Work | http://www.wired.com/news/gallery/0%2C2072%2C52561-3933~3931%2C00.html <-- oh my |
| 18:54:25 | warmi | benmayer: you mean new front end for pacjkage manager ? |
| 18:54:35 | tux_mike | neo: seen it, quite sick |
| 18:54:36 | Guru | tux_mike: cooool! I love battletech! how far have you progressed? |
| 18:54:43 | treke | scary |
| 18:54:46 | Neo|Work | tux_mike: although some of the mech warrior character development would be nice |
| 18:54:49 | Neo|Work | i.e skills and such |
| 18:54:56 | benmeyer | nope, don't like qinstall or ipkg so I made my own |
| 18:54:57 | benmeyer | ;-D |
| 18:55:03 | tux_mike | guru: i'm starting on the first classes now. |
| 18:55:10 | treke | benmeyer : seen opikg? |
| 18:55:14 | tux_mike | where's my pen |
| 18:55:29 | benmeyer | yah, don't like it |
| 18:55:32 | benmeyer | has many issues |
| 18:55:38 | treke | that it does |
| 18:55:41 | warmi | hah .. I assume it will read existing ipkgs, right ? |
| 18:55:45 | benmeyer | the app is so small that it was easier for me to write it in a day |
| 18:55:48 | benmeyer | yah |
| 18:55:52 | Guru | Guru: cool! are you writing it from scratch, or is it a port of battletech (I think an Amiga version exists somewhere)? |
| 18:55:54 | tux_mike | neo: i don't rmemeber much of mechwarrior, and i didn't like the rules. too damn confusing |
| 18:56:19 | Neo|Work | tux_mike: wasn't that bad. problem with not using it is that skills in piloting and such won't be used |
| 18:56:33 | tux_mike | neo: but it's gonna be GPL, so if you want to add it :) |
| 18:56:40 | Neo|Work | anyhow, mtg to go to |
| 18:56:44 | Neo|Work | is away: mtg |
| 18:57:35 | benmeyer | Most of the storm troopers wandering around striking poses with their blasters seemed to be software engineers. |
| 19:01:58 | benmeyer | http://www.handango.com/sharp/PlatformProductDetail.jsp?catalog=0&jid=35E483X188A79445A6CB86XF53XC16D3&platformId=9&productId=32338&productType=2§ionId=0&siteId=423&zsortParams=true |
| 19:02:07 | benmeyer | gotta love that |
| 19:02:13 | benmeyer | always seems to happen |
| 19:07:41 | NetAmp | hah |
| 19:07:48 | NetAmp | benmeyer: that looks cool :) |
| 19:08:00 | whardier | I can walk in the living room! |
| 19:08:01 | whardier | no more hopping! |
| 19:08:06 | CloudChaser | yes it does :) handy little app |
| 19:11:00 | ljp_work | hey I can walk around also |
| 19:17:19 | W|GGL|T | is back (gone 13:12:55) |
| 19:18:23 | benmeyer | What apps do you think the Zaurus is missing? |
| 19:18:42 | whardier | gets the mad munchies |
| 19:19:14 | benmeyer | multilayer games? |
| 19:19:22 | benmeyer | network neighborhood front for smb? |
| 19:19:28 | benmeyer | i.e. need a list |
| 19:19:34 | benmeyer | so any suggestions are welcome |
| 19:19:46 | benmeyer | apache config gui app? |
| 19:19:53 | benmeyer | open source e-mail app? |
| 19:20:00 | benmeyer | mirror? |
| 19:20:02 | benmeyer | :-D |
| 19:20:05 | warmi | suggestions for what ? |
| 19:20:13 | warmi | your to-do list ? |
| 19:20:14 | warmi | lol |
| 19:20:23 | W|GGL|T | wants a battery analyzer, ala Runtime for the Palm OS |
| 19:20:54 | tux_mike | i want a good imap client |
| 19:21:52 | whardier | makes a pbj |
| 19:22:10 | whardier | benmeyer X |
| 19:22:12 | whardier | :P |
| 19:22:50 | [DrEvil] | pine |
| 19:23:00 | [DrEvil] | since imap is from the UW |
| 19:23:00 | tux_mike | i said good |
| 19:23:01 | whardier | mutt |
| 19:23:07 | [DrEvil] | then pine is the logical best client |
| 19:23:22 | whardier | its not free |
| 19:23:22 | tux_mike | anyone know how to make wget write to stdout? |
| 19:23:24 | whardier | well |
| 19:23:26 | whardier | gpl |
| 19:23:37 | whardier | wget -O - |
| 19:23:42 | darienm | scp front-end |
| 19:25:02 | W|GGL|T | is away: I'm busy smoking a blunt or sleeping or something |
| 19:25:14 | whardier | haha |
| 19:29:18 | benmeyer | Does the Zaurus have a hardware clock? |
| 19:29:58 | whardier | I believe so |
| 19:30:03 | whardier | err |
| 19:30:05 | whardier | actually |
| 19:30:09 | whardier | no clock bettery is there? |
| 19:31:28 | darienm | There's the standby battery. |
| 19:32:04 | NetAmp | yeah |
| 19:32:21 | NetAmp | oh man gimme gimme, I'm gonna mail Sharp NL again :P |
| 19:32:22 | NetAmp | hah |
| 19:33:31 | darienm | ? |
| 19:33:37 | nyargh | hey |
| 19:33:54 | nyargh | can someone dcc me their libncurses off of the sharp rom really quick? |
| 19:33:55 | nyargh | plz |
| 19:33:59 | nyargh | puh-leese |
| 19:34:04 | nyargh | ljp can |
| 19:34:05 | Com[Plex] | there isbnt one |
| 19:34:06 | nyargh | i know it |
| 19:34:08 | Com[Plex] | wait |
| 19:34:11 | Com[Plex] | I take it back |
| 19:34:13 | nyargh | or libcurses |
| 19:34:17 | nyargh | ok |
| 19:34:22 | ljp_work | I can what? |
| 19:34:27 | Com[Plex] | libncurses.s0.4 |
| 19:34:29 | Com[Plex] | so |
| 19:34:31 | nyargh | yah |
| 19:34:32 | nyargh | word |
| 19:34:34 | nyargh | can you dcc? |
| 19:34:39 | whardier | haha |
| 19:34:45 | nyargh | ljp_work: i need the libncurses from teh sharp rom |
| 19:34:47 | whardier | you people need to lay off the crack pipe |
| 19:34:55 | NetAmp | whardier: *lol* |
| 19:35:03 | Com[Plex] | uh.. not from my Z I cant |
| 19:35:27 | nyargh | wellll |
| 19:35:34 | nyargh | is there a way for you to get it to me? |
| 19:35:42 | ljp_work | who me? |
| 19:35:44 | NetAmp | Mr.Mackey: "crack's bad, hmmkay!" |
| 19:35:44 | Com[Plex] | with trime, yes] |
| 19:35:49 | whardier | gets it to nyargh |
| 19:35:49 | NetAmp | hmmkay |
| 19:35:52 | Com[Plex] | im eating, gimme 5 min |
| 19:35:52 | nyargh | ljp_work: sure |
| 19:35:55 | nyargh | whardier: woowoo |
| 19:36:00 | nyargh | Com[Plex]: okee |
| 19:36:02 | whardier | I don't have it |
| 19:36:05 | darienm | I can do it.... |
| 19:36:05 | whardier | I aws lying |
| 19:36:14 | darienm | I can extract the files, and DCC them. |
| 19:36:15 | whardier | does crack! |
| 19:36:20 | nyargh | darienm: word, thanks |
| 19:36:24 | Com[Plex] | coo |
| 19:36:32 | darienm | nyargh: any idea WHERE they are? (paths would help) |
| 19:36:43 | Com[Plex] | /usr/lib |
| 19:36:52 | NetAmp | whardier: do the kitties too? ;) |
| 19:37:05 | whardier | lay off with the kitties! |
| 19:37:10 | NetAmp | heh |
| 19:37:23 | whardier | needs to find kitty pics and put them online |
| 19:37:32 | nyargh | darienm: /usr//lib |
| 19:37:38 | nyargh | kitty pr0n |
| 19:38:10 | whardier | http://home.xyzz.org/tmp/camera/pets/cats/Maxim/3.jpg |
| 19:38:12 | whardier | HAHAHA |
| 19:38:19 | whardier | there is the infamous max! |
| 19:38:20 | darien_Z | so you're looking for /usr/lib/libncurses.so (anything else) ?? |
| 19:38:30 | Com[Plex] | thats the one |
| 19:38:31 | whardier | http://home.xyzz.org/tmp/camera/pets/cats/Maxim/1.jpg |
| 19:38:36 | Com[Plex] | wait a sec |
| 19:38:37 | whardier | MWA HA HA |
| 19:38:38 | nyargh | yup |
| 19:38:38 | nyargh | that's it |
| 19:38:39 | nyargh | well |
| 19:38:41 | Com[Plex] | nyargh, why do yuo need this? |
| 19:38:45 | nyargh | make sure it's not just the link :) |
| 19:38:49 | nyargh | Com[Plex]: to steal your soul |
| 19:38:53 | Com[Plex] | its impossible to delete from /usr/lib.rom |
| 19:38:54 | nyargh | Com[Plex]: and to compile something |
| 19:39:05 | Com[Plex] | you dont have a Z then do you? |
| 19:39:08 | darienm | Its 352K - coming at you |
| 19:39:11 | nyargh | nope |
| 19:39:13 | nyargh | word |
| 19:39:14 | nyargh | thanks |
| 19:39:16 | nyargh | you rock |
| 19:39:23 | nyargh | no i have a Z |
| 19:39:24 | nyargh | it's just not here |
| 19:39:24 | darienm | thanks |
| 19:39:26 | Com[Plex] | ahh |
| 19:39:29 | Com[Plex] | well. same thing |
| 19:39:35 | nyargh | yah |
| 19:39:36 | nyargh | pretty much |
| 19:39:48 | Com[Plex] | I need this file libstdc++-libc6.2-2 |
| 19:39:54 | darienm | Developing something fun, nyargh ? |
| 19:41:54 | ljp_work | libstdc++ isnt on the default sharp rom |
| 19:42:59 | nyargh | yeah, just trying out a curses based audio player |
| 19:43:07 | nyargh | nothing too exciting |
| 19:44:27 | George- | I'm off (digitizing a few VHS's) |
| 19:44:39 | George- | bye |
| 19:45:35 | whardier | opie should rescan its .desktop files |
| 19:47:04 | benmeyer | when? |
| 19:47:16 | ljp_work | ya when? |
| 19:47:47 | whardier | is there something I need to know about ipkg install zaurus-fbvncserver ? |
| 19:47:52 | whardier | err |
| 19:47:58 | whardier | when you switch tabs? |
| 19:47:59 | ljp_work | whardier: try running this command: qcop QPE/System 'linkChanged(QString)' '' |
| 19:48:17 | whardier | fuck |
| 19:48:29 | whardier | when I run the minimal vnc server it kills input! |
| 19:48:52 | darienm | The first thing to do after launching VNC is to re-calibrate the screen. |
| 19:48:54 | benmeyer | bool r = exec( |
| 19:49:00 | darienm | touch top-left corner then bottom-right corner |
| 19:49:02 | benmeyer | what would bool be when exec returns -1? |
| 19:49:18 | whardier | darienm otherwise even keyboard input does not work? |
| 19:49:20 | darienm | You only have to calibrate once... it remembers after that |
| 19:49:33 | darienm | Hrm.. I dunno about that,whardier |
| 19:49:55 | darienm | it might be 'waiting' for the calibration before accepting anything. |
| 19:50:10 | whardier | it freezes all input |
| 19:50:10 | whardier | heh |
| 19:50:28 | ljp_work | did you calibrate |
| 19:50:41 | whardier | click on fbvncserver minimal |
| 19:50:46 | whardier | touch top left |
| 19:50:50 | whardier | touch bottom right |
| 19:50:57 | whardier | awtch opie sit |
| 19:53:26 | ljp_work | wha? |
| 19:54:42 | ljp_work | damn WYSIWYG |
| 19:58:11 | NetAmp | gtg |
| 20:00:47 | Guru | Anyone know if the Zaurus is selling well?? |
| 20:01:06 | Guru | I see them all over the place, but I'm curious if they are selling well. (ie. how many units shipped/sold) |
| 20:01:43 | rikkus | hi |
| 20:01:45 | rikkus | it looks like QFileDialog is disabled on the Z - any idea how I should ask the user where to save a file ? |
| 20:02:15 | ljp_work | you can use my filebrowser widget, or use FileSelector class |
| 20:02:45 | rikkus | ah |
| 20:02:50 | rikkus | just found tkfiledialog.h :) |
| 20:02:51 | rikkus | sorry |
| 20:04:24 | warmi | ljp_work: is your filebrowser widget limited only to docs dir like FileSelector class ? |
| 20:05:30 | ljp_work | no, I wrote it to be able to find any file, anywhere.. it's more classic filedialog in nature |
| 20:05:42 | warmi | ah ok |
| 20:06:04 | ljp_work | and there's always OFileDialog |
| 20:06:24 | [DrEvil] | tkxJabber ate my Z |
| 20:06:40 | whardier | there is no mkfifo in B10 |
| 20:06:44 | whardier | therefore no fbvncserver |
| 20:06:50 | benmeyer | echo "ERROR: File not found: $IPKG_LISTS_DIR/$src" >&2 |
| 20:06:58 | benmeyer | does that go to sout or serr? |
| 20:07:45 | whardier | man I want X |
| 20:08:26 | whardier | I am not going anywhere until I shave my head! |
| 20:09:23 | ljp_work | ibot: message for kergoth: oz needs mkfifo for fbvncserver |
| 20:10:28 | | No luck, ljp_work |
| 20:10:28 | ljp_work | ibot: insult whardier |
| 20:14:08 | ljp_work | no luck? WTF |
| 20:14:33 | ljp | ibot: message for kergoth: oz needs mkfifo for fbvncserver |
| 20:16:24 | | ibot is nothing but a beslubbering mound of left-over cat hair. |
| 20:16:24 | ljp | ibot: insult ibot |
| 20:16:37 | | whardier is nothing but a frothy bucket of pox-marked pus. |
| 20:16:37 | ljp | ibot: insult whardier |
| 20:20:11 | ljp | whardier: know anything about 2 way satellite broadband? |
| 20:23:50 | whardier | lots o hotties down by the pool today |
| 20:23:58 | whardier | ljp: yeah |
| 20:23:59 | Com[Plex] | this is strange |
| 20:24:00 | whardier | whats the Q? |
| 20:24:18 | Com[Plex] | once I got the x11 ance icewm on the Z, it no longer resumes from suspend |
| 20:24:29 | Com[Plex] | have to reset it |
| 20:24:51 | whardier | haha |
| 20:24:57 | whardier | I somehow started getting playboy |
| 20:25:08 | whardier | and the mailbox is down by the pool |
| 20:25:14 | whardier | with all these cute chicks just sitting around |
| 20:25:18 | ljp | oh.. just some salesman type wanting to sell 2 way satellite... |
| 20:25:20 | whardier | and I open up the mail |
| 20:25:27 | whardier | see this black covered magazine |
| 20:25:39 | whardier | and think.. how many people would know I am walking away with a playboy? |
| 20:25:45 | whardier | ljp who was he with? |
| 20:25:47 | whardier | direcway? |
| 20:25:47 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 20:26:23 | whardier | I need to find the direcway rep here if you have his number |
| 20:26:31 | whardier | I have been meaning to run an official test on the 3 sat bonding |
| 20:26:51 | whardier | striping data across 3 sats.. and lowering ping times |
| 20:26:59 | whardier | its the lowinging ping times I am wondering about |
| 20:27:02 | whardier | powering |
| 20:27:03 | whardier | heh |
| 20:27:05 | Com[Plex] | fuckin a |
| 20:27:05 | whardier | err |
| 20:27:07 | whardier | lowering |
| 20:27:08 | whardier | dude |
| 20:27:12 | whardier | I cannot type! |
| 20:27:26 | Com[Plex] | I have to reset my z.. and I have made so many changes to it since I last reset, I dont wanna reset :<L |
| 20:27:46 | whardier | heh |
| 20:27:56 | ljp | ya directway |
| 20:28:04 | whardier | did you get their number? |
| 20:28:14 | rikkus | whardier: 'wondershaper' is good for lowering ping times |
| 20:28:22 | rikkus | whardier: needs iptables and hence Linux though |
| 20:28:22 | ljp | video technologies in longmont.. some new guy |
| 20:28:29 | whardier | rikkus setting mtu's over a sat connection does not help much |
| 20:28:37 | rikkus | whardier: right |
| 20:28:39 | benmeyer | echo "ERROR: File not found: $IPKG_LISTS_DIR/$src" >&2 |
| 20:28:42 | benmeyer | does that go to sout or serr? |
| 20:28:45 | rikkus | whardier: wondershaper doesn't just do that. In fact, it doesn't do that. |
| 20:28:45 | benmeyer | anyone know? |
| 20:28:53 | Com[Plex] | where is the path statement located? I catn remember :< |
| 20:28:59 | whardier | rikkus either way you slice it.. you have to talk to space and back |
| 20:28:59 | Com[Plex] | and prompt stuff |
| 20:29:09 | rikkus | whardier: it prioritises 'interactive' packets |
| 20:29:19 | rikkus | whardier: true |
| 20:29:37 | rikkus | whardier: space isn't very far though :) |
| 20:29:41 | whardier | the only solution I have found for lowering ping times dramatically is buy using more than one dish/modem at a time |
| 20:29:47 | ljp | hmm stargazer |
| 20:29:51 | whardier | rikkus space is far enough to cause 600-800ms ping times |
| 20:30:08 | JasonNJ | anyone have a rom for a palmpilot pro? |
| 20:30:12 | rikkus | whardier: you could use wondershaper's idea in combination with multiple dishes - put 'interactive' packets on one dish |
| 20:30:14 | JasonNJ | I want to try out that copilot emu |
| 20:30:15 | whardier | I might JasonNJ |
| 20:30:24 | rikkus | 'and this is my interactive packets dish...' |
| 20:30:47 | whardier | PalmOS_4.0_IIIx.rom PalmOS_4.0_V.rom palmos35-dr4-en-nonez.rom |
| 20:31:00 | rikkus | buys some quantum tunneling cable |
| 20:31:25 | whardier | JasonNJ: http://segfault.bogomip.com/palm/ |
| 20:31:28 | whardier | take your pick |
| 20:31:43 | whardier | strips off his shirt |
| 20:31:45 | whardier | DEAD SEXY! |
| 20:31:59 | ljp | eeewww whats that smell? |
| 20:32:02 | whardier | was it seinfeld that did a show about coughing nudists? |
| 20:33:28 | darienm | Copilot came with a ROM. |
| 20:33:33 | darienm | JasonNJ |
| 20:33:44 | darienm | Maybe it was a mistake, but it did. |
| 20:33:50 | darienm | anyway, its not worth checking out. |
| 20:33:58 | darienm | Its the OLD OLD OLD orignal palm pilot device... |
| 20:34:04 | JasonNJ | darien_Z: I just noticed that |
| 20:34:13 | darienm | um.. other darien |
| 20:34:15 | darienm | darienm |
| 20:34:17 | whardier | heh |
| 20:34:34 | whardier | 2/nick chucklepuss |
| 20:34:34 | darienm | Z is my zaurus. M is .. um, me. |
| 20:34:36 | whardier | haha |
| 20:34:43 | chucklepuss | heh |
| 20:35:19 | chucklepuss | bastard! |
| 20:36:02 | ljp | I'm finally starting to wake up |
| 20:36:13 | darienm | I just noticed a good amount of folks here have two nicks... HRM ?? |
| 20:36:33 | ljp | work / home |
| 20:38:35 | kergoth | greetings |
| 20:38:50 | CloudChaser | hiya |
| 20:39:06 | JasonNJ | whazzup kergy |
| 20:39:22 | kergoth | nada.. doin lots of real work today.. heh |
| 20:39:31 | whardier | haha |
| 20:39:32 | kergoth | you? |
| 20:39:32 | whardier | ok |
| 20:39:34 | whardier | this is fucked |
| 20:39:38 | kergoth | hey whardier |
| 20:39:40 | Com[Plex] | say uh.. where are the aliases saved? |
| 20:39:43 | whardier | I am gonna order starband service at 3 places on st paul island |
| 20:39:57 | whardier | those 2 points are the three points on the 802.11b backbone |
| 20:39:59 | whardier | err |
| 20:40:00 | whardier | 3 points |
| 20:40:05 | whardier | then I am gonna bond them together |
| 20:40:15 | whardier | WHY! |
| 20:40:20 | JasonNJ | whoops. killed the wrong process. |
| 20:40:22 | whardier | so we can kill the 10 foot dish that they are currently using |
| 20:40:24 | Com[Plex] | anyone? |
| 20:40:32 | whardier | and get more that 512/512 |
| 20:40:34 | Com[Plex] | know where the aliases are stored? |
| 20:40:43 | bill20r3 | com, email aliases, or shell aliases? |
| 20:40:44 | whardier | and more like 3500/512 |
| 20:41:00 | Com[Plex] | aliases for the embedded console |
| 20:41:07 | Com[Plex] | on the azaurus |
| 20:41:13 | darienm | you mean your bashrc ? |
| 20:41:20 | darienm | yeah - gimme a second I'll tell ya |
| 20:41:20 | Com[Plex] | Ive entered a few aliases, and I dont want to have to enter them again. |
| 20:41:23 | bill20r3 | depends on your shell, but it'd be like .cshrc in your home directory |
| 20:41:28 | Com[Plex] | I looked in .bashrc and didnt see it.. |
| 20:41:30 | bill20r3 | do a ls -al |
| 20:41:32 | Com[Plex] | now I gotta lok again |
| 20:41:45 | Com[Plex] | DUh |
| 20:41:49 | tux_mike | http://slashdot.org/articles/02/06/06/1522257.shtml?tid=100 how the heck is this news, anyone who runs openzaurus has a webserver built in... |
| 20:41:50 | Com[Plex] | there it is at the bottom |
| 20:41:54 | bill20r3 | they wouldn't be in the file if you just entered them by hand.. |
| 20:41:54 | darien_Z | You put them in .profile |
| 20:41:58 | Com[Plex] | thank you again bill |
| 20:42:11 | darien_Z | They aren't stored for longer than the current sesion if you just typed them |
| 20:42:15 | bill20r3 | no prob |
| 20:42:17 | Com[Plex] | its .bashrc on the z, the .profile doesnt work right. |
| 20:42:24 | darien_Z | Do you SSH into your zaurus? |
| 20:42:30 | darien_Z | No no.. its .profile |
| 20:42:31 | Com[Plex] | nope |
| 20:42:48 | darien_Z | Because if you SSH into it, you need to have .profile in two places. |
| 20:42:49 | Com[Plex] | its bashrc, trust me, I tried the proile a long time ago, |
| 20:42:56 | Com[Plex] | it doesnt work. I dont ssh to my s |
| 20:42:57 | Com[Plex] | z |
| 20:43:09 | Com[Plex] | I needed it for when I use the console ON the z |
| 20:43:17 | darien_Z | um.. tee hee.. I SSH into the Z -- that's why mine are in .profile |
| 20:43:18 | darien_Z | :) |
| 20:43:24 | Com[Plex] | yeha. |
| 20:43:40 | darien_Z | so perhaps you should put them in BOTH places on the off-chance you SSH into it ? |
| 20:43:49 | Com[Plex] | if I was loging in every time I opened the console. I would use .profile, I established that a long time ago |
| 20:44:28 | Com[Plex] | but since Im not, .bashrc makes it so whn I have the z in my hands and want to use it, my aliases are there |
| 20:44:36 | kergoth | ugh headache |
| 20:44:45 | Com[Plex] | I entered them manually a logn time ago, I just forgot where. :> |
| 20:45:49 | darien_Z | Hrm. WHen using zic and receiving a private msg, how to close the tab ?? |
| 20:46:01 | Com[Plex] | /part? |
| 20:46:10 | darien_Z | negative |
| 20:46:17 | Com[Plex] | try click and hold |
| 20:46:25 | darien_Z | negative |
| 20:46:38 | Com[Plex] | hmm..if I had it installed, Id tell ya, |
| 20:46:40 | darien_Z | is frustrated now |
| 20:46:46 | ljp | how about /close_sesame |
| 20:46:52 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 20:47:12 | darien_Z | maybe that's why its at version 0.2 |
| 20:47:29 | darien_Z | send me a private msg please |
| 20:47:33 | Com[Plex] | welp, naptime for me |
| 20:47:34 | darien_Z | I need 2 more to fill the screen |
| 20:47:39 | darien_Z | I wanna see what happens |
| 20:47:43 | darien_Z | ok, one more |
| 20:47:48 | Com[Plex] | ding |
| 20:47:52 | darien_Z | from... ljp ? |
| 20:48:11 | darien_Z | Oh, I can do it from the other box. |
| 20:48:13 | jmhodges | hello |
| 20:48:34 | ljp | anybody try the bootable dev cd? |
| 20:48:53 | darien_Z | haha. It starts adding LEFT arrow RIGHT arrow to the tabs |
| 20:48:58 | darien_Z | Like in Microsoft Excel |
| 20:49:19 | Com[Plex] | oh, yeah, I knew that |
| 20:49:41 | Com[Plex] | theres nothing in the menues to close the window? |
| 20:49:48 | darienm | no menus :( |
| 20:50:04 | Com[Plex] | k, naptime |
| 20:50:16 | jmhodges | hehe |
| 20:50:27 | jmhodges | hm.. interesting.. |
| 20:51:12 | bill20r3 | ~~~/ca |
| 20:54:44 | benmeyer | what is libopietooth? |
| 20:55:10 | ljp | bluetooth stuff |
| 21:00:28 | benmeyer | interesting |
| 21:00:30 | benmeyer | it has kprocess |
| 21:00:32 | benmeyer | yummy |
| 21:00:34 | benmeyer | yummy |
| 21:00:52 | ljp | ya.. kprocess is soon to be oprocess |
| 21:01:13 | ljp | ahh bbl |
| 21:07:25 | CloudChaser | - |
| 21:07:40 | bill20r3 | . |
| 21:15:57 | whardier | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2030261336 |
| 21:16:00 | whardier | I shoudl buy that |
| 21:16:31 | jmhodges | nice |
| 21:16:36 | bill20r3 | uh |
| 21:16:39 | BigBoss | catalin, is that really you? |
| 21:16:46 | bill20r3 | no? |
| 21:21:17 | darienm | whardier -- I'll out-bid you on the zaurus mpg recorder :) |
| 21:23:48 | bill20r3 | wonders why you'd want to record to cf cards. |
| 21:25:14 | jmhodges | hey Twiun |
| 21:27:28 | Twiun | Hey jmhodges, how's things? |
| 21:28:28 | jmhodges | not bad .. had the net on my Z last night.. but i cant seem to get the commands down today.. (thanks to whardier for the help last night :) |
| 21:28:45 | jmhodges | you? |
| 21:29:22 | Twiun | not much... making a web-gallery script, helping ben repackage those pesky java apps ;-) |
| 21:29:30 | jmhodges | heh nice |
| 21:29:37 | bill20r3 | made a web-gallery, it's a pain |
| 21:29:52 | Twiun | that reminds me... I'd better add JICQ to that list |
| 21:31:39 | Twiun | But first, I think, I'll go get some sleep |
| 21:31:51 | Twiun | I'll do those from work tomorrow ;-) |
| 21:32:22 | Twiun | Gnight! |
| 21:32:29 | jmhodges | gnihht |
| 22:11:13 | mark | whardier: pretty cool |
| 22:12:35 | gecko_x2 | forum still down :( |
| 22:12:47 | gecko_x2 | i hope the old posts are saved |
| 22:20:23 | mark | k wtf is a micro-filter |
| 22:20:37 | gecko_x2 | a very small filter? |
| 22:20:46 | Nadav | heh |
| 22:21:09 | mark | ;-) |
| 22:21:21 | mark | aww shite - i've got to put one of these things on every phone line in the house |
| 22:21:31 | mark | every socket even |
| 22:21:40 | Com[Plex] | no you dont |
| 22:21:56 | mark | according to this page I do - http://www.xtreme.pipex.net/adsl/sales/solutions/microfilter.html |
| 22:22:00 | Guru | mark: just on every socket you plan on using a voice telephone or modem |
| 22:22:18 | mark | Guru: yeh, thats all of em :) |
| 22:22:47 | Com[Plex] | just put one on the service. split the line at the service, run one to the modem, and the other to the phones in your house. put the filter on line used for the phones |
| 22:24:06 | mark | ah I see. thats better.... |
| 22:24:56 | darien_Z | ComPlex - /close DOES work in zic. |
| 22:25:00 | darien_Z | Dunno why it didn't before |
| 22:25:06 | darien_Z | Weird. |
| 22:25:09 | mark | Com[Plex]: just need to find a splitter now :) |
| 22:26:59 | Com[Plex] | darien, I knew it worked, but I thought it was for quitting. hehe |
| 22:27:06 | Com[Plex] | thats because I never tried it in a msg session |
| 22:27:42 | Com[Plex] | say, anyone know what the syntax would be for This command on the zaurus? it doesnt seem to work right. |
| 22:27:42 | Com[Plex] | large_uid_files=`find . -uid +99` |
| 22:28:01 | Com[Plex] | im trying to port the ipkg build script to run on the z |
| 22:29:40 | bill20r3 | com, I dont think you can find files with a uid > a number, only files that belong to a specific user |
| 22:31:11 | Com[Plex] | hmm.. |
| 22:31:20 | Com[Plex] | so I should strip that out completely |
| 22:31:21 | bill20r3 | what exactly are you trying to find? |
| 22:31:31 | bill20r3 | files that have a uid that isn't assigned to a user? |
| 22:31:46 | Com[Plex] | its jsut part opf the ipkg build itil, if it finds any greater than that, it warns you of it |
| 22:31:52 | bill20r3 | ah |
| 22:31:55 | Com[Plex] | echo "*** Warning: The following files have a UID greater than 99. |
| 22:31:55 | Com[Plex] | You probably want to chown these to a system user: " >&2 |
| 22:32:04 | bill20r3 | ahh. |
| 22:32:14 | Com[Plex] | no biggie |
| 22:33:03 | Com[Plex] | now, another thing I noticed, - the ipkg-build script - when run on a regular linux box, compressss the files pretty well, but when run on the ZA, it doesnt seem to compress them at all. like its just storing them. |
| 22:33:08 | Com[Plex] | what gives.. |
| 22:33:17 | bill20r3 | does the z have gzip? |
| 22:34:35 | Com[Plex] | uh... |
| 22:34:56 | Com[Plex] | I dont know. but heres the command I use to get it to work this far, |
| 22:34:57 | Com[Plex] | tar -C $pkg_dir -czf $tmp_dir/data.tar.gz . --exclude=$CONTROL |
| 22:35:06 | Com[Plex] | because theres no cat on here? |
| 22:35:09 | Com[Plex] | I forget why |
| 22:35:18 | bill20r3 | there's no cat? |
| 22:35:26 | Com[Plex] | I think there is no cat |
| 22:35:30 | Com[Plex] | let me check |
| 22:36:49 | Com[Plex] | hmm |
| 22:36:57 | Com[Plex] | er... |
| 22:37:07 | bill20r3 | that command line looks fine.. it should compress it. |
| 22:37:18 | Com[Plex] | it doesnt |
| 22:37:31 | bill20r3 | if you copy the resulting file to a pc and 'gzip -9 -v filename' does it get smaller? |
| 22:37:35 | Com[Plex] | tar -C $tmp_dir -czf $pkg_file ./debian-binary ./data.tar.gz ./control.tar.gz |
| 22:37:41 | Com[Plex] | let me try that |
| 22:37:45 | W|GGL|T | isn't there zcat? |
| 22:37:49 | W|GGL|T | is that the same? |
| 22:37:51 | treke | isnt cat a shell construct? |
| 22:37:52 | bill20r3 | no |
| 22:38:02 | bill20r3 | zcat is cat for compressed files. |
| 22:38:07 | Com[Plex] | wait a sec |
| 22:38:49 | Com[Plex] | I might be pasting from the wrong file! |
| 22:38:53 | bill20r3 | but the "z" in "-czf" is for "compress this" |
| 22:39:20 | bill20r3 | what are you trying to package up, anyway? |
| 22:39:55 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 22:39:59 | Com[Plex] | everythign |
| 22:40:19 | Com[Plex] | all the ipkgs that i get that are built wrong. IM trying to fix them from my Z, instead of booting up a linuxc box to do the work on them |
| 22:40:34 | Com[Plex] | anwyay, was pasting the wrong file. the Z wont let me use that command, I have to use something else |
| 22:40:55 | Com[Plex] | let me get that open |
| 22:41:42 | bill20r3 | :-( |
| 22:41:52 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 22:41:55 | Com[Plex] | one sec |
| 22:43:44 | Com[Plex] | here we go |
| 22:43:45 | Com[Plex] | tar -C $tmp_dir -cO ./debian-binary ./data.tar.gz ./control.tar.gz .|gzip >$pkg_file |
| 22:43:50 | Com[Plex] | this is the one that works onthe Z |
| 22:43:56 | Com[Plex] | but its not compressing |
| 22:44:31 | bill20r3 | uh |
| 22:44:32 | bill20r3 | sec |
| 22:45:09 | bill20r3 | have you got gzip? |
| 22:45:14 | Com[Plex] | its the -czf switch that wouldnt work I thin |
| 22:45:19 | Com[Plex] | gzip, is on here, yes |
| 22:45:29 | bill20r3 | that should compress then |
| 22:45:46 | bill20r3 | maybe do "gzip -v" and you'll get a status message from gzip |
| 22:45:51 | Com[Plex] | k |
| 22:45:53 | bill20r3 | v = verbose |
| 22:45:56 | Com[Plex] | roger |
| 22:46:08 | treke | tar may not support all those flags. Its busybox isnt it? |
| 22:46:08 | bill20r3 | I'd try a full path to gzip too, just for good measure. |
| 22:46:16 | bill20r3 | yeah, I think it is. |
| 22:46:41 | bill20r3 | using busybox is sort of like jogging while wearing ski boots. |
| 22:46:43 | treke | also, if its says the file is gzipped, you may be seeing side effects for a compressed as |
| 22:47:48 | bill20r3 | can I vnc to someone's zaurus and take a look? |
| 22:49:11 | Com[Plex] | sure bill |
| 22:49:23 | Com[Plex] | let me boot back into qpe |
| 22:49:36 | bill20r3 | cool |
| 22:49:49 | Com[Plex] | gzip is reporting its progress, or its compression ratio? |
| 22:49:58 | Com[Plex] | 41.3% |
| 22:50:06 | Com[Plex] | 86.5% |
| 22:50:10 | Com[Plex] | 0.3% |
| 22:50:21 | bill20r3 | progress |
| 22:50:25 | bill20r3 | err |
| 22:50:30 | Com[Plex] | and its STill Twice the size it was before. |
| 22:50:33 | bill20r3 | is it doing multiple files? |
| 22:50:36 | Com[Plex] | yeah |
| 22:50:42 | bill20r3 | it's probablly ratio then |
| 22:51:04 | bill20r3 | you could give gzip a -9 to tell it 'best compression ratio', but it probablly wont make a huge difference |
| 22:51:06 | Com[Plex] | tar -C $pkg_dir --exclude=$CONTROL -cO .|gzip >$tmp_dir/data.tar.gz |
| 22:51:06 | Com[Plex] | tar -C $pkg_dir/$CONTROL -cO .|gzip >$tmp_dir/control.tar.gz |
| 22:51:06 | Com[Plex] | tar -C $tmp_dir -cO ./debian-binary ./data.tar.gz ./control.tar.gz .|gzip >$pkg_file |
| 22:51:24 | Com[Plex] | okaym, Ill try that |
| 22:52:22 | bill20r3 | when it's done copy it to a pc and gzip it again.. if it shrinks then something didnt get compressed the first time. |
| 22:52:36 | Com[Plex] | k |
| 22:52:57 | Com[Plex] | its lol |
| 22:53:07 | Com[Plex] | the compressin improved by a tenth of a percent |
| 22:53:27 | Com[Plex] | its gotta be something else. |
| 22:53:54 | Com[Plex] | I mean, soemthing in the decompression maybe, but Its on the ext2 sd card. |
| 22:53:58 | Com[Plex] | not fat |
| 22:54:08 | Com[Plex] | eh, let me try gzippng on the pc |
| 22:55:15 | Com[Plex] | gotta love vmware |
| 22:56:21 | bill20r3 | the filesystem shouldn't really matter.. |
| 22:58:55 | bill20r3 | did it shrink more? |
| 23:00:23 | Com[Plex] | nope |
| 23:00:36 | bill20r3 | then the compression happened the first time.. |
| 23:00:36 | Com[Plex] | file system would matter if there were libs in there |
| 23:00:45 | bill20r3 | why would it? |
| 23:00:49 | Com[Plex] | symlinks, on a fat system, wont work |
| 23:01:12 | Com[Plex] | if there was a lib - they are allways linked to itself three times, |
| 23:01:26 | Com[Plex] | could increase the file sioze dramatically if those Links were actual copies |
| 23:01:31 | Com[Plex] | but in this case, thats nto happening |
| 23:01:34 | bill20r3 | ahh, yeah. I meant the fs shouln't affect final file's size.. |
| 23:01:34 | Com[Plex] | not |
| 23:01:38 | Com[Plex] | yeah |
| 23:01:45 | Com[Plex] | hmm... |
| 23:01:50 | bill20r3 | needs to buy a zaurus |
| 23:01:58 | Com[Plex] | oh yeah,, hang on a sec let me reboot |
| 23:02:06 | bill20r3 | time to have a long heart to heart discussion with my credit card. |
| 23:02:13 | Com[Plex] | I dont have Shit installed right now, somILl have to reinstall fbvnc |
| 23:02:31 | bill20r3 | that's fine, Ijust wanna mess with the interface a bit. |
| 23:02:44 | Com[Plex] | no prob :> |
| 23:05:46 | Com[Plex] | installign vnc now |
| 23:06:07 | bill20r3 | k |
| 23:06:29 | jmhodges | hey |
| 23:08:08 | gecko_x2 | lo jmhodges |
| 23:08:20 | jmhodges | hello gecko_x2 |
| 23:08:35 | Com[Plex] | your gonna like my custom vnc mod |
| 23:08:37 | Com[Plex] | [12PIMP] http://me.256k.net/casemod/ZAURUS-MODS/ |
| 23:09:10 | bill20r3 | whats custom about it? |
| 23:09:24 | bill20r3 | ooo pretty |
| 23:10:00 | gecko_x2 | wow |
| 23:10:13 | Com[Plex] | :> |
| 23:10:22 | gecko_x2 | nice.. |
| 23:10:39 | Com[Plex] | im gonna put my regular nic in, the wireless is too slow for vnc |
| 23:10:57 | bill20r3 | k |
| 23:11:25 | gecko_x2 | why doesn't my zaurus turn off after timeout |
| 23:11:33 | bill20r3 | insomnia? |
| 23:11:36 | gecko_x2 | i even have the suspend app installed |
| 23:11:49 | gecko_x2 | nope.. no insomnia :P |
| 23:13:34 | Com[Plex] | uhhh.. hmm. this is weird |
| 23:14:02 | bill20r3 | eh? |
| 23:14:31 | Com[Plex] | its not leting me connect over vnc |
| 23:14:36 | bill20r3 | :-( |
| 23:14:41 | Com[Plex] | one moment |
| 23:15:46 | Com[Plex] | gonna try again |
| 23:17:40 | jmhodges | argh.. stupid Install over Networks app.. |
| 23:19:27 | bill20r3 | no joy? |
| 23:20:31 | jmhodges | heh nope |
| 23:22:31 | bill20r3 | any luck Com? |
| 23:23:56 | bill20r3 | has to leave. |
| 23:23:59 | bill20r3 | nite all. |
| 23:24:41 | comfrey | hey gang |
| 23:25:07 | jmhodges | hello |
| 23:25:14 | comfrey | is there any way to export NFS directories from the zaurus? |
| 23:25:31 | [DrEvil] | well |
| 23:25:35 | [DrEvil] | I am trying to get that to work |
| 23:25:41 | [DrEvil] | but not having much luck |
| 23:25:51 | comfrey | open Z or sharp |
| 23:25:52 | comfrey | ? |
| 23:25:58 | [DrEvil] | Sharp |
| 23:26:05 | [DrEvil] | I think it is the same for OZ |
| 23:26:07 | comfrey | hmm... |
| 23:26:22 | comfrey | does kernel support it? |
| 23:26:29 | [DrEvil] | I can get the server to start but it bitches about something missing |
| 23:26:41 | [DrEvil] | I can see the exports from my desktop but I can't mount them |
| 23:26:42 | comfrey | what is missing? |
| 23:27:07 | jmhodges | [DrEvil]: is it a lib that its missing? |
| 23:27:12 | [DrEvil] | no |
| 23:27:19 | jmhodges | ok then :) |
| 23:27:21 | [DrEvil] | I think it is a function |
| 23:27:25 | jmhodges | ew. |
| 23:27:52 | [DrEvil] | Starting NFS kernel daemon: nfsdnfssvc: Function not implemented |
| 23:28:09 | comfrey | is that a kernel thing? |
| 23:28:13 | [DrEvil] | I think I might need to get the kernel patches and attempt a cross compile |
| 23:28:31 | [DrEvil] | I'm using the nfs server package from either debian or familiar |
| 23:28:38 | [DrEvil] | I don't remember which one it was |
| 23:28:45 | comfrey | is it possible to change kernel in sharp rom? |
| 23:29:03 | [DrEvil] | dunno |
| 23:29:09 | [DrEvil] | not sure if I would want to mess with that |
| 23:29:19 | comfrey | yeah heheh |
| 23:29:23 | tux_mike | comfrey: all you'd need to do is modularize it |
| 23:29:33 | comfrey | oh, oh |
| 23:29:36 | comfrey | ok |
| 23:29:48 | Com[Plex] | bill |
| 23:29:53 | Com[Plex] | im ready |
| 23:29:54 | Com[Plex] | hheh |
| 23:29:59 | Com[Plex] | oh shit, did he leave?? |
| 23:30:05 | comfrey | heh |
| 23:30:26 | Com[Plex] | doh |
| 23:31:08 | comfrey | ok thanks I will play some with the nfs ipk. |
| 23:31:10 | [DrEvil] | I;ve had it with this noisy fay |
| 23:31:15 | [DrEvil] | fan |
| 23:31:29 | [DrEvil] | I am trying to make the nfs server part of my ROM |
| 23:32:12 | comfrey | keep us posted DrEvil |
| 23:32:29 | [DrEvil] | then my project is to make autofs really work on the Z |
| 23:32:55 | gecko_x2 | what's the status o the forum boards nayone? |
| 23:33:00 | comfrey | your mission... if you choose to accept it... |
| 23:33:00 | gecko_x2 | anyone |
| 23:33:16 | [DrEvil] | which will involve either a wrapper script for mount or to recompile automount so it will use the proper mount command |
| 23:33:38 | Com[Plex] | why the Hell would my zaurus stop returning from suspend mode after I install x11 libs and icewm? |
| 23:33:57 | Com[Plex] | I ahve to reset the fucking thing |
| 23:34:04 | Com[Plex] | grumble grumble |
| 23:35:29 | gecko_x2 | Com[Plex] i read on the forums that x11 kills apm |
| 23:36:02 | jmhodges | goes about installing the required libs for ssshd |
| 23:36:04 | gecko_x2 | please post the solution if u find it :) |
| 23:36:25 | treke | gecko_x2 : actually I think its qtopia that kills apm |
| 23:37:02 | gecko_x2 | treke? that makes no sense |
| 23:37:04 | tux_mike | qtopia messes with the apm stuff in /proc |
| 23:37:21 | gecko_x2 | but he said he installed x11 and icewm |
| 23:37:48 | gecko_x2 | where does qtopia come into the picture? |
| 23:38:21 | tux_mike | well, was he in qtopia ever since the last reboot? |
| 23:38:22 | gecko_x2 | and how the hell does an app mess with stuff in proc? it only reads from there |
| 23:38:24 | Com[Plex] | sec |
| 23:38:45 | tux_mike | /proc is read-write. you can tune all sorts of stuffs from there |
| 23:38:52 | Com[Plex] | okay, its like this. - I use qtopia. sock sharp rom 1.12 or 3 or whatever. |
| 23:39:10 | gecko_x2 | oh |
| 23:39:12 | Com[Plex] | I Want to be able to use the scummvm emulator so I can play day of the tentacle and sam and max games |
| 23:39:19 | gecko_x2 | didn't know.. i'm new with linux |
| 23:39:22 | Com[Plex] | unfortunately, those only work under the xwinfows shite |
| 23:39:48 | gecko_x2 | but i'm still pretty sure X11 is causing the error |
| 23:40:08 | Com[Plex] | SO, I install the x11 libs, and the IceWM windows manager, and once thats installed, and works, - I only want that running when I play the games, and the rest of the time I wanna use qpe |
| 23:40:24 | tux_mike | is that game SDL? |
| 23:40:31 | Com[Plex] | unfortunately, when I suspend from qpe, I cant resuem without flicking the rest switch |
| 23:40:43 | Com[Plex] | yes its sdl, but there is a port that runs on the ipaq linux |
| 23:40:57 | treke | Com[Plex] : I'm pretty sure that the SDL scummvm worked fine |
| 23:41:04 | Com[Plex] | so I have to use the ipaq port of it under a kludged os |
| 23:41:13 | tux_mike | well, talk to neo, he can see if it can be ported to the Qtopia SDL |
| 23:41:17 | Com[Plex] | treke.. what do you mean? |
| 23:41:37 | treke | Com[Plex] : I mean that the SDL version of scummvm should work fine using SDL in qpe |
| 23:41:55 | treke | I believe I even tested it out |
| 23:42:06 | Com[Plex] | rrrreeeeaaalllyy.... |
| 23:42:18 | Com[Plex] | sdl.. is SDL built into the z? |
| 23:42:21 | Com[Plex] | I mean, qpe |
| 23:42:27 | Com[Plex] | or do I have to install it? |
| 23:42:29 | treke | no. download it from eongames |
| 23:42:33 | | treke: i'm not following you... |
| 23:42:33 | treke | ibot eongames |
| 23:42:35 | Com[Plex] | weeeeeelllllll... |
| 23:42:37 | | hmmm... CC is Candy Cruncher or beta demo download at http://eongames.com/downloads/CandyCruncher_1.50_arm.ipk or note that CC beta download needs libSDL from http://eongames.com/downloads/feed/ to be installed |
| 23:42:37 | treke | ibot CC |
| 23:42:40 | Guru | Com[Plex]: maybe someone will port ScummVM to QPE! |
| 23:42:56 | Com[Plex] | guru, hats what im hoping! |
| 23:42:57 | Com[Plex] | :> |
| 23:43:08 | Com[Plex] | lo |
| 23:43:12 | Guru | treke: any word on SDL for the Z? I know there is a port, but is it complete? |
| 23:43:19 | tux_mike | mostly |
| 23:43:21 | treke | Guru : it works. sometimes |
| 23:43:32 | Guru | can we just take any SDL app that uses SDL or SDL_Mixer and recomple for the Z... and voila!? |
| 23:43:45 | treke | Guru : no need to recompile :) |
| 23:43:46 | Com[Plex] | lol, my poor roomate. he so desperately wants a friend.. hehe. he heres me talking to myself from the other end of the house, and comes running in. "whats up? whats new? you eat yet? wanna do something tonight?" |
| 23:43:51 | Com[Plex] | im like "nothign. im working. |
| 23:44:01 | Com[Plex] | then I ignore him till he goes away. |
| 23:44:45 | treke | needs to try his hand at porting sarien and freesci again |
| 23:45:09 | Guru | treke: wonder if Paradroid_SDL will work on the Z then? |
| 23:45:38 | treke | no idea, try it :) |
| 23:45:43 | tux_mike | neo was working on getting prboom working... i want that :) |
| 23:46:52 | Com[Plex] | shit! I cant find the sdl version of this |
| 23:50:56 | Com[Plex] | hmm... I wonder... |
| 23:51:08 | treke | of what? |
| 23:51:46 | jmhodges | hm.. |
| 23:53:11 | Com[Plex] | of scummvmv. but I think I can use the ipaq one I got allready. |
| 23:53:24 | Com[Plex] | let me get the sdl libs installed and try it |
| 23:53:45 | bill2or3 | heya com-plex, did you get vnc going? |
| 23:54:27 | Com[Plex] | uh yeah. lol |
| 23:54:37 | Com[Plex] | just a sec tho, trying to install the sdl stuff :> |
| 23:54:43 | bill2or3 | k |
| 23:54:55 | Com[Plex] | heheheh |
| 23:55:21 | Com[Plex] | has anyone used OZ on the emulator? |
| 23:55:38 | bill2or3 | what emulator? |
| 23:55:54 | Com[Plex] | err.. let em rephrase. has anyone got OZ working, like the QT developing environments emulator under linux |
| 23:56:17 | Com[Plex] | thyey got a qt emulator, works pretty slick. tho I havent worked with it much |
| 23:56:25 | tux_mike | it's not an emulator |
| 23:56:34 | tux_mike | it's just a virtual frame buffer |
| 23:56:38 | Com[Plex] | uh.. |
| 23:57:00 | treke | Com[Plex] : Everything runs as a native x86 application, just using that frame buffer for input and output |
| 23:57:06 | Com[Plex] | close... enough? :> |
| 23:57:27 | Com[Plex] | anyone got OZ working though the frame buffer? :> |
| 23:57:43 | tux_mike | not lately... i can't get libopie compiled |
| 23:58:11 | Com[Plex] | I lost my stylus.. so I went to staples, and one of my students works there, she let have the nice shiny metal stylus that comes with the 5500 :> |
| 23:58:40 | Com[Plex] | WOO!@!! testsprites so cool I might just PUKE! |
| 23:58:43 | tux_mike | needs a new stylus |
| 23:59:01 | nyargh | ? |
| 23:59:22 | Com[Plex] | testsprite comes with the SDL libs |
| 23:59:27 | nyargh | ah |
