| 00:00:27 | codemnky | what does eveyone use? bitchx ? |
| 00:00:39 | treke | I do |
| 00:00:49 | codemnky | did you see that link above |
| 00:00:52 | treke | yes |
| 00:00:55 | codemnky | funny huh |
| 00:00:59 | treke | yup |
| 00:01:16 | codemnky | where is eveyone |
| 00:01:24 | treke | having lives |
| 00:01:26 | codemnky | heh |
| 00:01:37 | codemnky | i'm supposed to be working |
| 00:02:02 | codemnky | on an impossible project with an unrealistic deadline |
| 00:02:09 | codemnky | same old same |
| 00:02:15 | treke | is waiting for the people from walma^H^H^H^H^H the security company to show up |
| 00:20:58 | ljp | whats the latest? |
| 00:22:33 | whardier | whats the greatest? |
| 00:29:12 | BigBoss | me in both cases |
| 00:32:37 | whardier | heh |
| 00:36:45 | ljp | esshshh.. I better get my cowboy boots on, cause its gettin deep around here |
| 00:36:53 | Nadav | What's the difference between the 5000D and the 5500? |
| 00:37:26 | ljp | 5000d was a developers model that only has 32 mb memory |
| 00:37:40 | Nadav | ah. |
| 00:37:42 | BigBoss | and is powered by a small thermo nuclear device |
| 00:38:46 | ljp | and is owned by best of em |
| 00:43:19 | ljp | I am sooo close to getting dsl back.... frickn peakpeak |
| 00:52:07 | ljp | time to retrain and see if they managed to fix my login.. |
| 01:16:45 | Neo|Work | is back (gone 03:39:24) |
| 01:17:13 | Neo|Work | you need a login for DSL? how lame |
| 01:18:39 | treke | I do also |
| 01:18:46 | treke | good ole pppoe |
| 01:19:44 | Neo|Work | pppoe is so unnecessary |
| 01:20:07 | treke | I'd disagree. It's very necesarry for getting my dsl service to work :) |
| 01:20:24 | treke | (yes I agree with your point) |
| 01:23:02 | ljp | it doesnt matter to me about login, but once I'm logged in, I'll be logged in for a few months at least |
| 01:23:15 | Wembly | pppoe sucks :/ |
| 01:23:22 | treke | Its a pain to have an ip change every time you log out though] |
| 01:23:23 | Wembly | id hate to have to use it for dsl :/ |
| 01:23:46 | Wembly | treke: change isps? heheh |
| 01:24:09 | treke | Wembly : Not really worth it at the moment. |
| 01:24:30 | Wembly | herm. |
| 01:24:34 | treke | other than the annoyance of pppoe, I'm happy with the service |
| 01:24:34 | Wembly | anyhow |
| 01:24:35 | Wembly | bbl |
| 01:24:38 | Wembly | hehe |
| 01:24:40 | Wembly | coolie :) |
| 01:24:51 | Wembly | im rather happy with my pppoeless service :) |
| 01:24:58 | Wembly | anyhow |
| 01:24:59 | Wembly | bbl |
| 01:25:01 | treke | And thats just because I dont like having to look up my ip everytime I try sshing in :) |
| 01:29:39 | tux_mike|pda | anyone ever use scp? |
| 01:32:12 | ljp | yes |
| 01:33:26 | tux_mike|pda | i get an error, unexpexted endline, ever get that? |
| 01:35:35 | tux_mike|pda | i cant belive kergoth left ftp out of oz |
| 01:36:22 | ljp | qpe has ftp already in it |
| 01:37:04 | tux_mike|pda | not server, client |
| 01:37:48 | ljp | install opieftp |
| 01:38:07 | tux_mike|pda | i have to get the stuff first |
| 01:38:35 | tux_mike|pda | i have a base install and only a internet connection |
| 01:47:31 | roge99 | hey tux_mike how goes it |
| 01:47:57 | tux_mike|pda | ok |
| 01:48:17 | roge99 | ever make use of those drives ? |
| 01:48:55 | tux_mike|pda | havent gotten tapes, its installed though |
| 01:49:07 | roge99 | cool |
| 01:49:15 | roge99 | shows up on the scsi bus |
| 01:49:30 | tux_mike|pda | yah |
| 01:50:21 | roge99 | should work then |
| 02:02:57 | tux_mike|pda | anyone use oipkg much? |
| 02:03:29 | roge99 | yea |
| 02:04:05 | tux_mike|pda | does it install to sd for you? |
| 02:04:10 | roge99 | yep |
| 02:04:29 | tux_mike|pda | hrmm... not working for me |
| 02:04:50 | roge99 | did you set up the dests right ? |
| 02:08:33 | tux_mike|pda | is there any way to open ipks in the prog instead of clicking on them ib doc tab? |
| 02:09:18 | warmi | hi |
| 02:09:48 | tux_mike|pda | hey warmi |
| 02:28:38 | ljp-- | damn its about time... |
| 02:28:48 | whardier | hi |
| 02:28:50 | whardier | bastard |
| 02:29:58 | ljp-- | :D |
| 02:30:09 | ljp-- | peak finally figgered it out |
| 02:30:36 | ljp-- | why did you root my laptop? |
| 02:30:53 | ljp-- | err why... did you root my laptop |
| 02:31:36 | ljp-- | doing a few cvs up -PdA before I do anything else |
| 02:32:16 | ljp-- | then.. I'm going to find a few iso and dl them |
| 02:32:49 | whardier | I rooted what? |
| 02:33:08 | ljp-- | my laptop |
| 02:33:10 | ljp-- | :D |
| 02:33:11 | whardier | what happened |
| 02:33:12 | ljp-- | NOT |
| 02:33:19 | whardier | why are you using evil peakpeak? |
| 02:33:31 | ljp-- | cause its a cool name |
| 02:33:42 | whardier | boobies |
| 02:33:46 | ljp-- | and its what I had before the great dsl blackout |
| 02:33:47 | whardier | thats who owns the place |
| 02:33:49 | whardier | a few boobs |
| 02:33:57 | codemnky | boobs? |
| 02:34:03 | codemnky | where! |
| 02:34:05 | whardier | brb |
| 02:34:14 | whardier | I gotta go kareoke to tool now |
| 02:34:23 | ljp-- | I would have singed up with boobs.net but they didnt service dsl in my area |
| 02:34:40 | ljp-- | signed even |
| 02:34:52 | whardier | heh |
| 02:35:28 | ljp-- | ok.. cvs up finished.. now find iso's and use some bandwidth |
| 02:37:20 | treke | hehe. sounds like my first night with dsl again :) |
| 02:37:41 | ljp-- | yep |
| 02:38:02 | ljp-- | opie cvs up took about 1/25 the time of a modem |
| 02:38:15 | treke | <me> hmmm, freebsd isos. I dont want to use it, but the site is fast! |
| 02:38:16 | whardier | fuck all you junkies and fuck your short memory.. |
| 02:38:35 | ljp-- | short memory? |
| 02:38:49 | whardier | eh? |
| 02:38:55 | treke | hehe |
| 02:39:11 | codemnky | boobs? |
| 02:39:14 | whardier | anybody blopped around with gentoo? |
| 02:39:21 | ljp-- | hey but now I can watch the shuttle launch tomorrow if alls well |
| 02:39:34 | whardier | alls well that ends in tail.. |
| 02:39:35 | ljp-- | gentoo.. dont you have to compile everything? |
| 02:39:35 | treke | shuttle launch tomorrow? |
| 02:39:42 | treke | is so out of it |
| 02:39:45 | whardier | ljp-- compiling everything is ok by me |
| 02:39:48 | ljp-- | yes.. todays got canceled |
| 02:40:01 | treke | there was one today? :) |
| 02:40:12 | codemnky | whardier follow these instructions and report back http://www.meighan.com/ |
| 02:40:16 | ljp-- | hhe how many days do you think it takes to compile a whole distribution? |
| 02:40:34 | ljp-- | there was supposed to be one today |
| 02:41:02 | treke | hasnt watched tv/ listened to radio/ read newspaper in a couple days |
| 02:41:13 | ljp-- | and theres a satellite tracker for Zaurus now too! |
| 02:41:39 | treke | If it didnt happen in my office or living room, I havent heard of it :) |
| 02:47:14 | whardier | neat |
| 02:47:17 | whardier | a sat tracker for linux |
| 02:47:22 | whardier | and the zaurus of all things! |
| 02:47:34 | whardier | so next time I look up into the sky.. I will know what is hovering over me |
| 02:47:37 | whardier | how damn clever is that |
| 02:47:45 | whardier | </jackass> |
| 02:48:39 | ljp-- | heh.. |
| 02:49:04 | ljp-- | now.. someone needs to get a sane star chart! |
| 02:49:10 | whardier | true that |
| 02:49:16 | whardier | there are a few GL ones that fucking rule |
| 02:50:04 | ljp-- | kstars was ported to the Z, but its not sane.. its too huge, and memory intensive |
| 02:57:44 | nems | 2We need koules on the Z :) |
| 03:00:30 | whardier | http://segfault.bogomip.com/work/TDX/pics/ST-Paul/104-0466_IMG.JPG <- roughneck whardier installing shit in 10 degree weather 50 feet off the ground |
| 03:04:08 | ljp-- | heh 10 degrees and youhave a leather jacket on? |
| 03:04:45 | whardier | err |
| 03:04:50 | whardier | it was warmer than my other coat |
| 03:05:01 | whardier | my leather jacket weighs around 20 pounds |
| 03:05:05 | ljp-- | where you white boy? |
| 03:05:14 | ljp-- | where you from even |
| 03:05:26 | whardier | Loveland |
| 03:05:38 | whardier | http://segfault.bogomip.com/work/TDX/pics/ST-Paul/104-0472_IMG.JPG <- the "I just crapped myself didn't I?" look |
| 03:05:50 | whardier | http://segfault.bogomip.com/work/TDX/pics/ST-Paul/104-0477_IMG.JPG <- I met Stephen King in this shot |
| 03:12:45 | whardier | tries to find something to smoke |
| 03:13:28 | ljp-- | try banana peels |
| 03:14:21 | whardier | no papers |
| 03:14:25 | whardier | what do you suggest? |
| 03:14:48 | ljp-- | toilet tissue |
| 03:14:58 | ljp-- | or paper sack |
| 03:15:14 | ljp-- | or walk down to 7-11 |
| 03:16:00 | whardier | in http://segfault.bogomip.com/work/TDX/pics/ST-Paul/104-0477_IMG.JPG I have what is called a St Paul sunburn |
| 03:16:10 | whardier | wow |
| 03:16:22 | whardier | irc could really use a different style |
| 03:16:28 | whardier | and servers that remember shit.. |
| 03:16:29 | whardier | like people |
| 03:16:34 | whardier | and constant state connections |
| 03:16:47 | whardier | all so that lilo can just shut its pie hole |
| 03:16:55 | whardier | there goes ljp-- |
| 03:16:59 | whardier | he was a good man |
| 03:23:12 | Neo|Zaurus | hey! |
| 03:23:39 | Neo|Zaurus | cf nic -> c00l |
| 03:23:41 | treke|home | hehe. portable irc |
| 03:23:59 | Neo|Zaurus | sitting at the tv |
| 03:24:19 | Neo|Zaurus | it's wired but cool never the less |
| 03:24:48 | whardier | thats just damb geeky |
| 03:24:50 | whardier | wanna buy a duck? |
| 03:25:55 | Neo|Zaurus | home networking is nice |
| 03:26:14 | Neo|Zaurus | duck? no thx |
| 03:26:25 | treke|home | wireless is cool, but pricey |
| 03:27:27 | treke|home | and not really worth it unless you have a laptop you use regularly at home |
| 03:29:55 | Neo|Zaurus | yeah |
| 03:30:13 | Neo|Zaurus | and this will work both home and at work |
| 03:30:26 | Neo|Zaurus | moved to the kitchen |
| 03:30:53 | treke|home | thats convenient. We've got wireless almost everywhere I go at work |
| 03:31:23 | whardier | http://www.beringsea.com/communities/Saint_Paul/goingwireless2002/ |
| 03:31:25 | whardier | I am famous! |
| 03:31:29 | warmi | which card did you get Neo ? |
| 03:32:11 | Neo|Zaurus | hawking 10/100 |
| 03:32:20 | Neo|Zaurus | ne2000 clone |
| 03:32:50 | warmi | yeah, I have same thing |
| 03:32:58 | warmi | except I think I have only 10 |
| 03:33:06 | warmi | but who cares it works great |
| 03:34:36 | fatbum | holall |
| 03:34:42 | fatbum | just got back from my first day at HEB! |
| 03:34:52 | warmi | NeoTron: it is great for mounting external drives on your Z and simply testing stuff by copying to exported dir on your dev box |
| 03:35:43 | Fatbum | hmm |
| 03:35:52 | Fatbum | is gonna get drenched with water |
| 03:35:55 | Fatbum | bbiab |
| 03:36:21 | warmi | what's HEB ? |
| 03:36:51 | whardier | Hubbe Heb. a.. |
| 03:37:06 | Neo|Zaurus | yeah |
| 03:39:35 | roge99 | is away: zzZZzzzzzz |
| 03:39:39 | Neo|Zaurus | w:i have used usb net w nfs too |
| 03:39:52 | Neo|Zaurus | eats... |
| 03:41:33 | warmi | well, for usb was shaky like hell |
| 03:41:48 | warmi | so some sort of lan card was my only choice |
| 03:42:01 | warmi | (for > for me ) |
| 03:43:31 | whardier | 7 |
| 03:43:33 | whardier | oops |
| 03:43:33 | whardier | haha |
| 03:43:44 | whardier | 488 N Sep 27 ogtNancy ( 22) Raping Hot Girls And Wild Horses!!!!!!! ssgow |
| 03:43:50 | whardier | Raping? |
| 03:43:56 | whardier | like.. when dudes rap? |
| 03:48:33 | Neo|Zaurus | nicest will be networking at work definitely |
| 03:51:59 | Neo|Zaurus | notes low battery |
| 03:53:41 | Wembly | is there a way to change the keyboard layout? |
| 03:53:48 | Fatbum | Wembly: rm -f / |
| 03:54:14 | warmi | ha .. yeah, rm -f / will work for everything |
| 03:54:20 | warmi | will cure them all man |
| 03:54:22 | Fatbum | it sure does |
| 03:54:57 | Wembly | if you like horridly mess up your pda's flashrom how do you recover? |
| 03:55:09 | Wembly | like if you end up getting it to flash badly? or whatever |
| 03:55:12 | Fatbum | reflash |
| 03:55:17 | Wembly | how? |
| 03:55:26 | Wembly | you run that little program thingie :) |
| 03:55:28 | Fatbum | same way you screwed it up, onyl better |
| 03:55:44 | Wembly | yes but to flash it you need a running system. |
| 03:55:46 | Wembly | atleast with the 5500 |
| 03:55:54 | Fatbum | no Wembly |
| 03:56:11 | Fatbum | you put the image on a cf and hold down c and d keys whilst hitting reset |
| 03:56:25 | Fatbum | plug it in the wall first! |
| 03:56:29 | Fatbum | or else.... |
| 03:56:38 | Fatbum | make sure you dont touch anything while the two lites are on |
| 03:56:57 | Fatbum | after about two minutes, lights go out, put on battery cover, and switch to normal |
| 03:57:00 | Fatbum | itll boot rite up |
| 03:57:36 | Wembly | fatbum: hitting reset?....the little switch in the battery cartage? |
| 04:00:43 | Fatbum | yes Wembly |
| 04:01:32 | Fatbum | brb |
| 04:02:27 | NeoTron | pokes Neo|Zaurus |
| 04:07:53 | Wembly | hehe |
| 04:13:37 | whardier | that |
| 04:13:39 | whardier | was an old mtn dew |
| 04:17:19 | bhartin | hey everyone...quick question...is the serial sync cable add-on usable as an actual serial port using minicom on the Zaurus (think router console access) |
| 05:58:48 | W|GGL|T | is away: I'm busy smoking a blunt or sleeping or something |
| 06:20:01 | benwei | does the $499 price sharp gives include docking cradle? |
| 07:13:54 | Wembly | benwei: if its the same package that comes in the stores then id say yes |
| 07:14:23 | Wembly | benwei: zaurus sl-5500, battery, charger, ac adaptor, docking craddle, manuals, cd |
| 07:14:33 | Wembly | thats what came in my box. |
| 07:14:46 | Wembly | but i got it from a local store. |
| 13:00:18 | benmeyer | Morning |
| 13:00:28 | benmeyer | Who wants there apps to be on a cd ;-D |
| 13:01:50 | ljp-- | you can put any opie apps on one |
| 13:03:56 | benmeyer | any multiplayer game that we could port? |
| 13:06:49 | ljp-- | heheh tictaktoe |
| 13:08:43 | benmeyer | http://www.happypenguin.org/show?4st%20Attack |
| 13:09:10 | benmeyer | http://www.happypenguin.org/show?Advanced%20Strategic%20Command |
| 13:10:00 | benmeyer | has anyone packaged sdl-net yet? |
| 13:10:03 | benmeyer | or should I? |
| 13:10:28 | | Will this never-ending series of PLEASURABLE EVENTS never cease? |
| 13:10:28 | tad_ | ibot yow |
| 13:10:50 | | Uh-oh!! I'm having TOO MUCH FUN!! |
| 13:10:50 | benmeyer | ibot yow |
| 13:11:05 | | benmeyer is nothing but a ruttish pile of loggerheaded poopy. |
| 13:11:05 | tad_ | ibot insult benmeyer |
| 13:11:09 | benmeyer | http://www.jumpbump.mine.nu/cgi-bin/jb.sh |
| 13:11:16 | benmeyer | ibot help |
| 13:11:25 | tad_ | cool |
| 13:11:27 | tad_ | thx |
| 13:12:07 | tad_ | um |
| 13:12:08 | tad_ | yea |
| 13:12:09 | tad_ | thx |
| 13:12:41 | tad_ | ibot help |
| 13:17:25 | | Slashdot - Updated 2002-05-31 12:42:37 | Behind the Satellite Piracy Lawsuit | Surveillance Update | WiFi &amp; Cellular Unite | April 1, 1972: Write Only Memory |
| 13:17:25 | tad_ | ibot slashdot |
| 13:30:55 | benmeyer | ahh nothing like 800K download speed |
| 13:34:32 | ljp-- | nothing like having a fiber optic cable 10 feet south of your house that you cannot tap into |
| 13:35:05 | benmeyer | or transfering between two computers next to each other |
| 13:36:19 | ljp-- | what cd ar eyou putting together? |
| 13:38:03 | benmeyer | I am putting together a developer cd myself but sharp will be putting out a cd at some point of community applications |
| 13:38:21 | benmeyer | http://www.kame.net/newsletter/20020425/ |
| 13:38:27 | benmeyer | ip6 under the zaurus |
| 13:38:38 | benmeyer | that would be cool if the zaurus used ip6 by default |
| 13:39:06 | | everybody in this room is nothing but a jarring bucket of pointy-nosed dung. |
| 13:39:06 | tad_ | ibot insult everybody in this room |
| 13:40:30 | benmeyer | wonder if kergoth could make the ip6 a module and then we could make it an ipk for people |
| 14:01:31 | BrianR | hey folks. |
| 14:02:53 | CloudChaser | hello |
| 14:03:46 | benmeyer | hello |
| 14:04:12 | benmeyer | http://www.csh.rit.edu/~jeffm/pub/cross/arm-linux/ |
| 14:04:13 | benmeyer | hmmm |
| 14:22:15 | jjbenham | any one here use the cross-compiler for zaurus? |
| 14:22:52 | ljp | yes |
| 14:23:17 | jjbenham | ljp: does qmake work the same as tmake? |
| 14:23:31 | benmeyer | similar |
| 14:23:38 | benmeyer | one is a script, the other is c |
| 14:23:44 | ljp | not entirely. qmake CAN make makefiles for qt2 |
| 14:24:36 | jjbenham | because the cross compiler instructions refer to tmake. I read on qt's website that tmake was replaced by qmake |
| 14:24:46 | ljp | yes, in qt3 |
| 14:24:57 | ljp | the zaurus uses qte 2.3.2 |
| 14:25:17 | jjbenham | ok |
| 14:25:25 | benmeyer | Working on an app? |
| 14:25:46 | jjbenham | I am trying to learn about using the compiler first |
| 14:26:00 | benmeyer | ah |
| 14:26:12 | benmeyer | The howto on zauruszone should be able to help you start |
| 14:26:19 | jjbenham | so If I want to write qt apps for z I would downgrade my cross compiler |
| 14:26:20 | benmeyer | And if anything is not clear ask me for I wrote them |
| 14:26:26 | benmeyer | and am cleaning them up right now |
| 14:26:56 | jjbenham | benmeyer if I have some command line programs does it matter which cross compiler I use to build them? |
| 14:26:58 | benmeyer | If you already have a working crosscompiler for arm installed then you don't have to downgrade |
| 14:30:13 | jjbenham | I ran the dev-x86 script but my environment vairables are still what they were previously. It is trying to complile the example against -I/usr/lib/qt-3.0.3/include -I/usr/lib/qt-3.0.3/mkspecs/default |
| 14:30:20 | jjbenham | then it give me an error |
| 14:31:17 | benmeyer | did you run source script? |
| 14:31:20 | benmeyer | or just the script? |
| 14:31:45 | jjbenham | I am learning the qt libraries also. I found that using qmake --project; qmake; make gave me errors also. But if I did it manually by doing this: g++ main.cpp -I/usr/lib/qt-3.0.3/include -L/usr/lib/qt-3.0.3/lib -lqt it worked fine. |
| 14:32:02 | jjbenham | I just ran the script |
| 14:32:12 | benmeyer | try running source script |
| 14:32:17 | benmeyer | "source" is the key |
| 14:32:28 | jjbenham | dev-x86-qpe.sh This script |
| 14:32:42 | jjbenham | where is the source script? I did not see it on the page |
| 14:32:55 | jjbenham | oops sorry |
| 14:32:56 | benmeyer | it isn't |
| 14:35:27 | jjbenham | what does this source script do? |
| 14:35:35 | benmeyer | no clue |
| 14:35:38 | benmeyer | ;-D |
| 14:35:39 | benmeyer | just works |
| 14:35:56 | benmeyer | or you can manually copy and paste it into your command line |
| 14:36:26 | NetAmp | wicked |
| 14:36:56 | jjbenham | I tried that. Now I get QMAKESPEC has not been set, so configuration cannot be deduced. |
| 14:36:57 | jjbenham | Error processing project file: example.pro |
| 14:39:46 | benmeyer | hmmm |
| 14:39:51 | benmeyer | and you installed all of the rpms? |
| 14:39:59 | jjbenham | yes I believe so |
| 14:40:10 | jjbenham | I will double check |
| 14:41:51 | jjbenham | yes there are all installed |
| 14:42:16 | benmeyer | your following the compiler setup howto? |
| 14:42:21 | ljp | sounds like you need qte 2.3.2 instead of qte3 |
| 14:42:23 | benmeyer | anything special on your system? |
| 14:42:24 | jjbenham | yes |
| 14:42:31 | whardier | http://openmosix.sourceforge.net/logo_submissions.html |
| 14:42:33 | whardier | mine is number 4 |
| 14:42:34 | whardier | heh |
| 14:42:49 | jjbenham | I have qt3 with qt2 compatibility libraries installed |
| 14:43:44 | jjbenham | yes I am following the instructions on http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/linux_compiler_setup_howto.html |
| 14:43:47 | ljp | you need qt embedded 2.3.2 |
| 14:44:07 | jjbenham | will that conflict with qt3? |
| 14:44:51 | benmeyer | yes |
| 14:45:02 | benmeyer | but you said you installed 2.3.2 right? |
| 14:45:21 | ljp | I installed qte2.3.2 in a different dir than qt3 and just change the symlink when I want to compile |
| 14:46:03 | ljp | qt -> qt-2.3.2-embedded or qt->qt-3.0.2 |
| 14:46:25 | jjbenham | ok |
| 14:47:22 | ljp | or in that script that you source, you can set up QTDIR to point to your qt-2.3.2-embedded dir |
| 14:47:42 | W|GGL|T | is back (gone 08:48:53) |
| 14:48:05 | jjbenham | ok |
| 14:50:36 | jjbenham | I have qtopia-free 1.5. Is this just the SDK? So I need to download the embedded libraries also or am I just confused? |
| 14:53:34 | ljp | hmm.. I think the sdk does contain qte libs and headers |
| 14:53:40 | whardier | fludge |
| 14:54:12 | jjbenham | perhaps I need to edit the script or something |
| 14:59:43 | benmeyer | Anyone interested in going to TX? |
| 14:59:49 | benmeyer | for a developer conferance? |
| 15:00:02 | neurosys | if i could develop :) id go |
| 15:00:03 | whardier | eww |
| 15:00:05 | BigBoss | i am |
| 15:00:15 | BigBoss | you talking about the Handango one? |
| 15:00:17 | benmeyer | ah, you are going? |
| 15:00:18 | benmeyer | yup |
| 15:00:19 | WORKspot | doesnt need any more conferences... :) |
| 15:00:51 | benmeyer | Got a few empty spots that I can fill with Zaurus developers |
| 15:01:03 | benmeyer | http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=227 |
| 15:01:06 | benmeyer | new app |
| 15:01:25 | BigBoss | for Handango? |
| 15:01:28 | neurosys | benmeyer: nice |
| 15:01:36 | BigBoss | it's supposed to be a partner summit, not really developer |
| 15:01:38 | benmeyer | yup, for the handango conferance |
| 15:01:42 | BigBoss | and the schedule is freaking packed |
| 15:01:49 | benmeyer | well, developer/partener pda thing |
| 15:01:51 | benmeyer | it is odd |
| 15:02:00 | BigBoss | why stay at a nice resort if your schedule is 8am to 10pm |
| 15:02:13 | BigBoss | I'm skipping out of the microsoft and nokia sessions |
| 15:02:24 | BigBoss | are all the expenses being picked up? |
| 15:02:48 | benmeyer | only the ones there (i.e. if you can get yourself there) |
| 15:02:59 | BigBoss | same as the deal I had |
| 15:03:05 | benmeyer | yup |
| 15:03:19 | BigBoss | althought I thought it was invitation only. Are you saying you can just throw it out to anyone now? |
| 15:03:32 | benmeyer | nope |
| 15:04:11 | BigBoss | then I misunderstood this statement |
| 15:04:12 | BigBoss | [08:03] <benmeyer> Anyone interested in going to TX? |
| 15:04:37 | benmeyer | screw it, noone will go |
| 15:05:16 | ljp | hmmm.. ok |
| 15:05:26 | MSpin | heh |
| 15:05:34 | neurosys | im confused |
| 15:05:35 | MSpin | ljp: [08:03] <benmeyer> Anyone interested in going to TX? |
| 15:06:35 | BigBoss | is ben being a dick today or something? |
| 15:07:42 | MSpin | I duno, I just woke up |
| 15:07:56 | ljp | oohhh.. they invited developers to some shindig in Texas.. motel accomadations paid for |
| 15:08:01 | neurosys | he seemed slightly agitated :-P |
| 15:08:15 | ljp | maybe no one signed up |
| 15:08:55 | ljp | who wants to be in Texas in the summer? |
| 15:09:11 | BigBoss | the conference was by invitation only |
| 15:09:13 | treke|home | well if the wouldnt have put it someplace as hot, maybe the surface of the sun, they would have gotten more sign ups |
| 15:09:21 | BigBoss | and apparently not enough people accepted |
| 15:09:22 | W|GGL|T | what's it matter if it's in a hotel? :o) |
| 15:09:30 | BigBoss | so ben started trolling for folks that were interested |
| 15:09:38 | BigBoss | but apparently it can't be for just anyone |
| 15:09:42 | BigBoss | but he was asking for anyone |
| 15:09:46 | BigBoss | so he got pissed and left |
| 15:09:51 | ljp | heh there's more to life than the inside of a meotel.. ;) |
| 15:09:54 | BigBoss | the flight to texas is cheap |
| 15:10:00 | BigBoss | and the resort is damn cool |
| 15:10:10 | MSpin | where in TX? |
| 15:10:16 | BigBoss | san antonio |
| 15:10:30 | BigBoss | but the schedule is packed, so there is virtually no time to enjoy the place |
| 15:10:41 | BigBoss | I got my flight for $270 from southern california |
| 15:11:13 | MSpin | when is it? |
| 15:13:02 | BigBoss | June 12 thru 14 |
| 15:13:23 | BigBoss | i wasn't going to go originally either, but they talked me into it, especially when I found out how cheap the flight was |
| 15:13:36 | BigBoss | but honestly for a developer, it looks boring as hell and mostly marketing hype |
| 15:13:39 | W|GGL|T | its unseasonably cool in TX at the moment |
| 15:13:55 | BigBoss | there are a bunch of "break out" sessions listed on top of the presentations by commercial companies |
| 15:14:05 | BigBoss | but I don't know what the heck is supposed to go on at one of them |
| 15:14:41 | BigBoss | the stuff from Nokia and Microsoft (talks) look pointless |
| 15:14:42 | ljp | I'd go but I can't afford to fly OR drive right now |
| 15:15:01 | BigBoss | but they are "Platinum Sponsors", so you can imagine what that will be |
| 15:15:47 | MSpin | that just isn't gonna work...:( |
| 15:15:51 | ljp | hmmm lineo, jeode, and lemme guess |
| 15:16:10 | ljp | Trolltech |
| 15:16:48 | BigBoss | this is Handango, not a sharp summit |
| 15:16:58 | BigBoss | there isn't anything by anyone from sharp or related to sharp |
| 15:17:09 | BigBoss | Palm is another platinum sponsor that will be speaking |
| 15:17:31 | ljp | ohh. so its not zaurus centric? |
| 15:17:51 | BigBoss | not at all, and probably very little, if anything will be on the zaurus |
| 15:17:57 | BigBoss | it is more pda industry related |
| 15:18:04 | BigBoss | that's why i say it isn't a developer conference |
| 15:18:27 | ljp | its a hype conference |
| 15:19:15 | ljp | I wish I could go |
| 15:19:41 | ljp | maybe I can get Opie, llc to pal for my airfare |
| 15:19:47 | ljp | pay even |
| 15:20:00 | BigBoss | with what money? |
| 15:20:11 | ljp | hehehe exactly |
| 15:20:38 | ljp | maybe Opie, llc can be part of United Linux |
| 15:20:41 | ljp | ha |
| 15:22:04 | BigBoss | don't you mean Gnu/UnitedLinux? |
| 15:22:11 | BigBoss | and shouldn't it be Gnu/Opie? |
| 15:22:11 | ljp | hahaha |
| 15:22:31 | ljp | no.. maybe Gnu/openzaurus |
| 15:22:59 | BigBoss | I'm going to make something called "MyAss" that is GPL so we can say "GNU/MyASS" |
| 15:25:08 | ljp | hehe. maybe something that will email rms |
| 15:26:42 | catalin | or maybe something called 'Sucks' *g* |
| 15:27:17 | BigBoss | that's even better :) |
| 15:38:56 | warmi | hi |
| 15:39:09 | BigBoss | hey |
| 15:39:28 | tux_mike | grumbles |
| 15:39:30 | warmi | so hot today in Chicago |
| 15:39:35 | tux_mike | why won't you compile! |
| 15:39:41 | tux_mike | warmi: it's not bad |
| 15:39:49 | ljp | its hot here also |
| 15:39:51 | warmi | too hot ... that's why |
| 15:39:54 | tux_mike | it's great in my opinion :) |
| 15:40:08 | warmi | well, it isnot like 100 but combined with some humidity it is pretty nasty |
| 15:40:31 | warmi | well, any amount of humidity makes me miserable |
| 15:41:00 | tux_mike | ah, i can live fine in 100% humidity |
| 15:41:16 | warmi | ah, there you go |
| 15:41:19 | warmi | I can't |
| 15:41:23 | warmi | it kills me |
| 15:41:34 | ljp | 20% humidity is too much |
| 15:41:54 | warmi | heh |
| 15:42:17 | ljp | and anything over 79 degrees is too hot |
| 15:42:25 | warmi | yep ljp |
| 15:42:32 | tux_mike | ships ljp off to siberia |
| 15:42:33 | tux_mike | :) |
| 15:42:46 | ljp | heheh I loved living in Alaska |
| 15:42:57 | ljp | except it rained too much in the winter |
| 15:42:58 | fusion94 | 79 degrees ? |
| 15:43:05 | fusion94 | anything over 65 is too hot |
| 15:43:07 | ljp | yep tpp hot |
| 15:43:17 | ljp | 75 is fine |
| 15:43:21 | tux_mike | today seems like a good day to go for a swim |
| 15:43:30 | warmi | tux_mike: in the lake ? |
| 15:43:45 | tux_mike | nah, the lake's always too cold |
| 15:43:56 | tux_mike | my friends have a pool at their condo |
| 15:44:02 | ljp | heh try swimming in Lake Superior |
| 15:44:06 | MSpin | Seattle is just right:) |
| 15:44:15 | ljp | seattle is too wet |
| 15:44:45 | tux_mike | nothing wrong with rain, as long as it's a hard rain, not some piddily-shit drizzle |
| 15:44:56 | MSpin | seattle gets less rain than most places....it's just spread out:) |
| 15:45:08 | MSpin | flooding isn't a big problem |
| 15:45:19 | ljp | heh uh huh ..sure... and I know of a bridge in Brooklyn for sale |
| 15:47:13 | tux_mike | ljp: have you tried pose on OZ? |
| 15:48:04 | ljp | no.. |
| 15:49:11 | tux_mike | the one attempt i made at it, it bombed, but it may not be configured correctly |
| 15:49:28 | warmi | tux_mike: what are you trying to compile ? |
| 15:50:05 | tux_mike | opie |
| 15:50:16 | tux_mike | i'm having lots of link and moc porblems |
| 15:50:42 | warmi | I never tried that yet so I can only wish you good luck |
| 15:54:25 | tux_mike | ... gah... konqueror in kde3 has some bugs... it doesn't like to cleanly exit and it wants to hog all my cpu |
| 15:54:48 | warmi | that sounds serious |
| 15:55:02 | warmi | maybe I should just stick to my current 2.3 |
| 15:55:32 | tux_mike | well, it seems to be when viewing large images... never did happen on onther installs though... could be a problem on my system |
| 15:55:37 | Speedy2 | What's a good price for a used Z development unit? |
| 15:55:53 | warmi | I would say $200 |
| 15:55:59 | Speedy2 | Woah, that low? |
| 15:56:01 | Speedy2 | $200 flat? |
| 15:56:11 | warmi | you mean sellers price or buyers price ? |
| 15:56:17 | Speedy2 | umm. |
| 15:56:19 | Speedy2 | Buyers? |
| 15:56:23 | Speedy2 | I want to buy one |
| 15:56:25 | Speedy2 | Or am thinking about it |
| 15:56:31 | Speedy2 | $200? You sure? |
| 15:56:43 | warmi | I wouldn't pay much more than that |
| 15:56:51 | Speedy2 | Jeeze |
| 15:56:56 | Speedy2 | There's a guy selling one for $290 |
| 15:57:22 | warmi | well .. you might be right .. |
| 15:57:35 | warmi | maybe my expectations are unrealistic |
| 15:57:59 | warmi | you can get 5500 for close to $400 these day |
| 15:58:02 | warmi | days |
| 15:58:09 | MSpin | eBay seemed to be around $300 last I looked |
| 15:58:17 | whardier | wants like 10 SL5000D |
| 15:58:18 | Speedy2 | Well the only difference in the units is RAM, right? |
| 15:58:25 | Speedy2 | I can hack in more memory, so I could care less |
| 15:58:44 | warmi | no there is some difference as far as quality of internal battery |
| 15:58:48 | warmi | or soemthing like that |
| 15:58:48 | Speedy2 | Oh? |
| 15:58:53 | Speedy2 | Do you have any more info? |
| 15:59:07 | tux_mike | hehe, write only memory |
| 15:59:07 | warmi | sadly no .. I just remeber reading on zauruszone about it |
| 15:59:18 | whardier | hmm |
| 15:59:23 | whardier | ebay has em for around 250 |
| 15:59:29 | Speedy2 | tux_mike: Oh, the newer units have more Flash? |
| 15:59:38 | Speedy2 | whardier: I haven't seen any actually *sell* for the price, have you? |
| 15:59:52 | warmi | whardier: "buy now " price of 250 ? |
| 16:00:16 | tux_mike | no, this is an old april fools joke, a spec for WOM chips :) |
| 16:00:30 | whardier | I dunno |
| 16:00:31 | whardier | heh |
| 16:00:33 | whardier | ask ebay |
| 16:00:53 | warmi | Speedy2: what did you mean when you said " I can hack in more memory" ? |
| 16:01:00 | Speedy2 | I can stuff more SDRAM in |
| 16:01:04 | Speedy2 | That's not hard to do |
| 16:01:10 | Speedy2 | And I can modify the bootloader to see it |
| 16:01:14 | Speedy2 | Or I know how |
| 16:01:21 | warmi | are you sure ... I think I remember there was a thread about it |
| 16:01:38 | Speedy2 | Do the new units have more Flash memory or SDRAM? |
| 16:01:39 | warmi | and generally it was agreed that expanding memory on 5000 would be very hard |
| 16:01:44 | Speedy2 | Umm |
| 16:01:45 | Speedy2 | Shouldn't be |
| 16:01:48 | Speedy2 | If they wired things properly. |
| 16:01:51 | warmi | 5500 is different internally |
| 16:01:58 | warmi | and supposedly easier to expand |
| 16:02:00 | tux_mike | there are no extra pads for ram |
| 16:02:09 | Speedy2 | tux_mike: SDRAM chips have the same outline |
| 16:02:18 | Speedy2 | The bigger chips have one or two more address lines |
| 16:02:29 | warmi | Speedy2: I think there was a problemw ith the controler chip or something like |
| 16:02:35 | warmi | 5500 uses different one |
| 16:02:40 | Speedy2 | warmi: The "controller" chip should be the StrongARM |
| 16:02:50 | Speedy2 | The StrongARM has an SDRAM controller internal. |
| 16:02:50 | warmi | I am not a hardware guy but there was some talk about it |
| 16:03:00 | Speedy2 | I've designed SA-1110 based hardware and I've hacked iPaqs. |
| 16:03:09 | Speedy2 | So unless Sharp became retarded, it SHOULD support more memory. |
| 16:03:15 | Speedy2 | warmi: Do you have any links to those threads? |
| 16:03:25 | warmi | I will try to look for it |
| 16:03:48 | Speedy2 | Please do. |
| 16:04:19 | tux_mike | http://home1.gte.net/res06upw/Pictures/sharpapart01.jpg |
| 16:04:41 | tux_mike | that's an internal image, the toshiba chips on the top are the ram |
| 16:05:09 | warmi | take a look at this one Speedy2 : |
| 16:05:11 | warmi | http://www.geocrawler.com/archives/3/18496/2002/4/550/8404769/ |
| 16:05:41 | Speedy2 | Well the GeoCrawler one is bogus |
| 16:05:49 | warmi | what do you mean ? |
| 16:05:51 | Speedy2 | Because SDRAM uses a multiplexed address bus |
| 16:05:55 | Speedy2 | DRAM/SDRA |
| 16:05:57 | Speedy2 | DRAM/SDRAM |
| 16:06:07 | warmi | well, could very well be .. |
| 16:06:12 | Speedy2 | The ROM/SRAM/Flash is limited by those 26 address lines |
| 16:06:17 | Speedy2 | No, this is how it is, I am stating it. |
| 16:06:25 | warmi | since I am not a hardware guy I have to rely on others opinion on that matter |
| 16:06:36 | Speedy2 | Ooooh, that's non-standard SDRAM |
| 16:06:39 | warmi | and these guys seemed to know what they were talking about |
| 16:06:42 | Speedy2 | Normal footprint is TSOP-II |
| 16:06:47 | Speedy2 | Jeeze, what foot print is that? |
| 16:06:47 | Speedy2 | hr |
| 16:07:09 | warmi | I wish you were right it was relatively easy to upgrade 5000 |
| 16:07:11 | Speedy2 | Surprise surprise it's a Sharp LCD ;) |
| 16:07:16 | tux_mike | from what i heard, this is the biggest chip in that footprint |
| 16:07:31 | tux_mike | but you can double check with toshiba to be sure |
| 16:07:32 | warmi | but so far I haven't seen who was able to accoplish that |
| 16:07:56 | Speedy2 | Well, I'm down with the sickness |
| 16:08:00 | Speedy2 | But back to my original question |
| 16:08:05 | tux_mike | i wouldn't mind more flash either :) |
| 16:08:16 | Speedy2 | Do the new units have more Flash memory or SDRAM? <--------------- |
| 16:08:24 | Speedy2 | tux_mike: That could be VERY hard to do. |
| 16:08:32 | tux_mike | 5500 have more sdram |
| 16:08:34 | tux_mike | same flash |
| 16:08:39 | tux_mike | speedy: yah |
| 16:08:42 | Speedy2 | Oh, well then it's quite possible to do this. |
| 16:09:30 | Speedy2 | That chip is mostly an LCD controller. |
| 16:09:34 | Speedy2 | Err, the Sharp part. |
| 16:10:18 | Speedy2 | hrm |
| 16:10:21 | Speedy2 | Any pics of the flip side of the board? |
| 16:11:15 | ljp | http://home1.gte.net/res06upw/Pictures/sharpapart02.jpg |
| 16:11:21 | ljp | hehe maybe there |
| 16:11:27 | tux_mike | yah |
| 16:11:52 | ljp | I've taken my Z apart a couple times |
| 16:12:16 | Speedy2 | I got the 2nd one |
| 16:12:20 | Speedy2 | I want to see underside |
| 16:12:25 | Speedy2 | But the Tosh parts ARE the SDRAM |
| 16:12:29 | Speedy2 | Let's see what organization |
| 16:12:38 | Speedy2 | SDRAM on dev. unit is 16MB or 32MB? |
| 16:12:50 | tux_mike | 32MB |
| 16:13:00 | tux_mike | i'm trying to find a datasheet on the chips right now |
| 16:13:10 | ljp | there's also a block diagram |
| 16:13:18 | whardier | SWEEEET |
| 16:13:26 | whardier | added a very limted vtun support to UML! |
| 16:13:30 | ljp | heh good luck finding a datasheet on the chips, kergoth wrote mitchy for that |
| 16:13:34 | whardier | feels.. awesome |
| 16:13:58 | Speedy2 | I got it |
| 16:14:09 | Speedy2 | (data sheet |
| 16:14:09 | Speedy2 | ) |
| 16:14:14 | tux_mike | where? |
| 16:14:20 | ljp | ditto |
| 16:14:33 | Speedy2 | Where do you think? |
| 16:14:45 | ljp | data sheet or block diagram |
| 16:14:52 | Speedy2 | Data sheet |
| 16:15:18 | ljp | would you email that to me? unless its dowloadable |
| 16:15:19 | Speedy2 | 4MEG x 512 x 16 SDRAM |
| 16:15:20 | Speedy2 | sure |
| 16:15:22 | Speedy2 | one second |
| 16:15:32 | Speedy2 | this does not have the ALS packaging, let me find one that does |
| 16:15:42 | ljp | ljp@llornkcor.com |
| 16:16:10 | Speedy2 | I'll give an URL |
| 16:16:16 | Speedy2 | It can't be hard to find... |
| 16:16:18 | Speedy2 | (ALS) |
| 16:16:46 | tux_mike | now the question is, do they have larger chips in the same package |
| 16:17:19 | Speedy2 | http://www.travellingkiwi.com/zarus/faq/faq.html |
| 16:17:21 | Speedy2 | YES |
| 16:19:01 | tux_mike | sweet |
| 16:19:23 | tux_mike | then the only thing you would be missing is the microcode for the ehanced battery life |
| 16:19:30 | Speedy2 | ??? |
| 16:19:45 | Speedy2 | The only difference in better battery life is software? That doesn't sound quite right |
| 16:19:47 | axp | someone already ties wireless connections ? |
| 16:20:41 | tux_mike | the 5500 is a 5000 with 64M ram and an enhanced microcode. |
| 16:22:01 | Speedy2 | Technicallly you mean ROM |
| 16:22:05 | Speedy2 | Microcode wouldn't be correct |
| 16:22:07 | benmeyer | I cleaned up the Special Zaurus Considerations made it more friendly |
| 16:22:19 | Speedy2 | Does anyone have pics of the new Zaurus innards? |
| 16:22:34 | benmeyer | the 5500? |
| 16:22:36 | Speedy2 | Yes |
| 16:22:38 | ljp | I do somewhere at home |
| 16:22:41 | tux_mike | no, they changed the microcode so the battery charges better |
| 16:22:45 | Speedy2 | umm |
| 16:22:48 | Speedy2 | microcode is not the correct term |
| 16:23:08 | Speedy2 | I think you mean ROM. |
| 16:23:23 | Speedy2 | i.e. software in ROM. Or if there is a microcontroller, the firmware in the microcontroller |
| 16:23:33 | tux_mike | jason told me they changed the CPU microcode |
| 16:23:33 | Speedy2 | ljp: Do your pics show the new SDRAM chips being used? |
| 16:23:39 | Austin | Speedy, if this keeps up, I'm going to have to file a restraining order against you. ;) |
| 16:23:39 | Speedy2 | Ok, that's the WRONG term |
| 16:23:52 | Austin | Speedy, both work. |
| 16:23:54 | Speedy2 | No |
| 16:24:01 | Austin | Yes. =) |
| 16:24:23 | Speedy2 | Microcode is usually a macro-like setup in a processor that creates complex ones from simple ones |
| 16:24:46 | Speedy2 | Firmware, ROM or boot image refers to software executing on the processor/microcontroller |
| 16:24:46 | ljp | speedy2: I only have a 5000d |
| 16:24:55 | Austin | But, when more broadly applied, can apply to a number of other instruction sets. |
| 16:24:55 | Speedy2 | ljp: Oh, you don't have pics of the 5500? |
| 16:25:07 | Speedy2 | Austin: Yes, but the INSTRUCTION SET on the CPU did not change! |
| 16:25:11 | ljp | no.. unless someone sends me a 5500 |
| 16:25:19 | tux_mike | speedy: this is what jason from sharp told me, i'm not very familiar with the inner workings of a cpu |
| 16:25:22 | Speedy2 | Yeah |
| 16:25:26 | Speedy2 | I know what he meant |
| 16:25:34 | Speedy2 | Anyway |
| 16:26:10 | Austin | Speedy, sets of CPU instructions, not those instructions themselves. ;) |
| 16:26:48 | ljp | ibot: message for kergoth: did you ever hear back from mitchy about chip specs? |
| 16:26:48 | Speedy2 | Austin: Yeah, I know, but the term "microcode" usually refers to microcoded instructions on a processor, not code running on a processor. |
| 16:26:59 | Speedy2 | Using that terms leads to confusion. |
| 16:27:11 | Speedy2 | (on the part of people who deal with microcoded processors!) |
| 16:28:01 | Austin | Most people who deal with microcoded processors are intelligent enough to apply fuzzy logic. =) |
| 16:28:51 | Speedy2 | There's something to be said for using the correct term in a technical conversation. |
| 16:28:58 | W|GGL|T | sees taco bell in his very near future |
| 16:29:07 | tux_mike | ... how odd... syestem info is showing my ramdrive has only 2M free, but DF shows only 6k is used... |
| 16:29:08 | tux_mike | odd |
| 16:29:26 | Austin | Don't make me gigabyte you with my megahertz, Speedy. |
| 16:30:39 | Speedy2 | This "ALS" part is non-standard |
| 16:30:45 | Speedy2 | It's not TSOP-II |
| 16:30:45 | ljp | tux: you using opies sysinfo? |
| 16:30:53 | Speedy2 | Finding chips for this could be hard. |
| 16:31:37 | tux_mike | yah |
| 16:32:18 | Speedy2 | iPaq uses standard SDRAM chips |
| 16:33:57 | tux_mike | speedy: if you do find anythign, let us know. a lot of people would be interested in this :) |
| 16:34:00 | Speedy2 | Yeah |
| 16:34:03 | ljp | grrrr |
| 16:34:06 | tux_mike | ljp: yah, i'm using opie sysinfo |
| 16:34:14 | Speedy2 | Well, so is the Z for $290 a good deal? It's a used developer's unit |
| 16:34:18 | Speedy2 | Not sure if I should just wait |
| 16:34:26 | benmeyer | yup |
| 16:34:31 | benmeyer | very good deal |
| 16:34:38 | benmeyer | unless they bought it at java1 for 200 |
| 16:34:40 | benmeyer | hehe |
| 16:34:44 | tux_mike | prolly... doesn't sound like you'll get it for much less |
| 16:34:47 | tux_mike | at this point |
| 16:34:52 | benmeyer | and if you don't want it I know someone who does |
| 16:34:54 | Speedy2 | Whoah |
| 16:34:55 | Speedy2 | Java1? |
| 16:35:00 | benmeyer | JavaOne |
| 16:35:01 | Speedy2 | These guys were selling units for $200? |
| 16:35:04 | benmeyer | conference |
| 16:35:07 | Speedy2 | SHIT! |
| 16:35:14 | benmeyer | it was the very last batch. |
| 16:35:20 | Speedy2 | Damn it |
| 16:35:23 | ljp | tux: there's one of those sysinfo graphics thats not exactly working.. ;) |
| 16:35:23 | benmeyer | before the 5500 was made |
| 16:35:37 | benmeyer | so the week after they bought it 5500 was released |
| 16:35:38 | benmeyer | so... |
| 16:36:00 | tux_mike | ljp: but it says 4M used, not just the bar graph :) |
| 16:36:08 | Speedy2 | Damn it. |
| 16:36:13 | ljp | I'm waiting for the 5500 developer upgrade deal |
| 16:36:15 | Speedy2 | DAMN IT |
| 16:36:25 | Speedy2 | So it's not worth spending more than $250, huh? |
| 16:36:26 | tux_mike | ljp: i thought there wasn't gonna be on |
| 16:36:27 | tux_mike | e |
| 16:36:33 | ljp | tux: heheh the text and graph are tied together.. I'll fix it soon |
| 16:36:42 | tux_mike | ah, k |
| 16:36:45 | benmeyer | the 5500 develop deal wont be anytime soon |
| 16:36:46 | benmeyer | sorry |
| 16:36:56 | neurosys | theres a 5500 develop model comming? |
| 16:37:05 | benmeyer | nope |
| 16:37:11 | Speedy2 | Ahh |
| 16:37:15 | Speedy2 | There's a Toshiba microcontroller |
| 16:37:20 | tux_mike | speed: 250 is still a good price for something like a Z |
| 16:37:21 | Speedy2 | I bet that handles the keyboard and the battery |
| 16:37:24 | ljp | heheh ya it seems like it would be a pain to validate for any dev deal |
| 16:37:28 | benmeyer | if you search online 400-500 is a good deal |
| 16:37:43 | Speedy2 | Which means the firmware on the microcontroller was prob. changed to help with the charging. |
| 16:38:00 | benmeyer | not with charging, but charge reporting |
| 16:38:13 | Speedy2 | Hrm. |
| 16:38:16 | ljp | I was hoping Lineo would send me a 5500 out of the blue, just because... ;) |
| 16:38:27 | Speedy2 | I bet Lineo will go under soon. |
| 16:38:32 | benmeyer | well if you write an OSX driver |
| 16:38:42 | benmeyer | or some other very usefull/wanted thing we might |
| 16:38:43 | ljp | hmm they just got funding a few weeks ago |
| 16:38:49 | neurosys | Why you think Lineo will go under??? It just got money. |
| 16:38:54 | benmeyer | 1 million |
| 16:38:57 | benmeyer | i.e. 4 months |
| 16:38:59 | ljp | and there's the contract woth Sharp |
| 16:39:00 | benmeyer | tops |
| 16:39:17 | benmeyer | but I expect in another month they will get another mill etc etc |
| 16:40:05 | tux_mike | can i have a million next month? :) |
| 16:40:19 | ljp | if you have the right contacts |
| 16:40:32 | tux_mike | i don't want to have to *do* anything ^_^ |
| 16:40:45 | ljp | ahhh money tree |
| 16:40:54 | tux_mike | quite :) |
| 16:41:36 | tux_mike | ljp: you run OZ on one of your two Zs right? |
| 16:41:52 | ljp | yes |
| 16:42:06 | tux_mike | do you have a WiFi card? |
| 16:42:20 | ljp | no |
| 16:42:35 | tux_mike | it doesnt set the essid on mine |
| 16:43:18 | ljp | ya I think kergoth knows and its fixed somwhere or knows of the fix |
| 16:44:41 | tux_mike | where is kergoth, i have to yell at him :) |
| 16:45:09 | ljp | naaa.. dont yell.. he's had a rough week |
| 16:45:19 | neurosys | Ok. so besides the socket (which doesnt work with kismet) and the buffalo (you gotta be in japan :P) whats the best Wifi cf? |
| 16:45:59 | tux_mike | i wasnt gonna actually yell, just tell him to include a plain ol' boring ftp command. that and give me the fix for the wifi :) |
| 16:47:24 | tux_mike | hrmm... i don't think qpose likes me |
| 16:47:27 | ljp | hahaha KPNQwest is going under... |
| 16:47:38 | treke | ha |
| 16:47:49 | tux_mike | anyone use qpose? |
| 16:48:02 | ljp | now.. if only QWest would be dragged down by them |
| 16:48:46 | neurosys | no one likes my wifi cf question L( |
| 16:48:54 | neurosys | i dunno which to buy |
| 16:49:23 | tux_mike | neu: most are good, i like the SMC because it keeps the heaphone port and stylus free |
| 16:50:13 | ljp | whats a wifi? sounds like something you'd throw around and let a dog run and fetch |
| 16:50:24 | neurosys | ljp: teehee |
| 16:53:40 | ljp | bbl |
| 17:00:51 | axp | my wireless connection does not work, any idea ? |
| 17:21:32 | Neo|Work | is away: I'm busy |
| 17:21:52 | Neo|Work | is back (gone 00:00:02) |
| 17:23:38 | | i don't know, ljp |
| 17:23:38 | ljp | ibot: who's yo daddy? |
| 17:23:51 | | *You* are, Mr Sexy-pants! |
| 17:23:51 | ljp | ibot: who's your daddy? |
| 17:24:28 | Neo|Work | morning |
| 17:24:37 | ljp | is it? |
| 17:26:14 | Neo|Work | it is here. approximately at least. |
| 17:26:17 | tux_mike | neo: how much ahve you been working on SDL? |
| 17:26:26 | tux_mike | lately |
| 17:27:20 | Neo|Work | uh. depends. :P |
| 17:27:28 | Neo|Work | what do you want to know exactly? |
| 17:28:19 | tux_mike | have you fixed those two outstanding bugs? |
| 17:29:26 | Neo|Work | yes |
| 17:29:49 | warmi | I moved quite ahead with my zsurface class .. |
| 17:30:01 | tux_mike | zsurface? |
| 17:30:03 | warmi | Neo : do you have timings for your SDL blit ? |
| 17:30:20 | warmi | I wanna see if all this stuff I am doind is at least 30-40% faster |
| 17:30:23 | Neo|Work | tux_mike: it's in CVS and in the latest SDL release |
| 17:30:33 | Neo|Work | warmi: what times do you get for a full rotate-blit? |
| 17:30:37 | tux_mike | cool... i'll have to play around with it |
| 17:30:44 | warmi | zsurface: basically bunch of blit methods written in ARM asm |
| 17:30:51 | tux_mike | any curent issues? |
| 17:31:13 | warmi | Neo; well, I haven't timed it out yet since I am finishing up but |
| 17:31:20 | warmi | mine doesn't do rotating blit |
| 17:31:40 | Speedy2 | warmi: It's nice to have a pipeline chart if you're doing ARM optimization. Keep in mind the StrongARM doesn't use the ARM7 3-stage pipeline |
| 17:31:42 | warmi | when you delcare ZSurface class you give image |
| 17:32:01 | benmeyer | http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/checklist.shtml |
| 17:32:03 | benmeyer | improved |
| 17:32:04 | Neo|Work | tux_mike: current issues would be with ipaq 3800 devices which has different rotation. possibly some other stuff too but I can't rmemeber right now |
| 17:32:11 | warmi | Speedy2: well, I am using multiple LOAD and STORE instructions |
| 17:32:20 | Speedy2 | warm: ldstmi? |
| 17:32:36 | Speedy2 | That guy is insane, pop or push 20 things to or from memory in one operation |
| 17:32:45 | warmi | basically you can load say 10 registers in one instruction and then dump it intoo another are of memory |
| 17:32:45 | Neo|Work | warmi: well, rotating blit seems to be about 7-8 ms for fullscreen and memcpy, i.e non-rotating, somewhere around 5-6 ms |
| 17:33:01 | warmi | not ldstmi |
| 17:33:01 | Speedy2 | warmi: Right, ldstmi I think was the op. |
| 17:33:04 | Speedy2 | No? |
| 17:33:04 | Speedy2 | hrm |
| 17:33:17 | warmi | I don't remember now .I am at work , don;t have with me |
| 17:33:36 | warmi | but it basiocally loads list of registersm from memory in one step |
| 17:33:43 | warmi | great for fast blitting |
| 17:33:56 | tux_mike | neo: and if SDL works well enough, i'm gonna see if i can talk to the guy who does boycottadvance or any of the other GBA emus to see if we can port it :) |
| 17:34:15 | Neo|Work | isn't it open source? |
| 17:34:21 | warmi | of course you have to have logic for that to figure out how many registers to load depending on the size of the bitmap etc |
| 17:34:28 | Neo|Work | and sdl works well enough to run SDL Doom (prboom to be exact) unmodified |
| 17:34:40 | Neo|Work | run it fast even, despite realtime 8-16 bit color conversion |
| 17:34:42 | Speedy2 | warmi: ldm I think it is |
| 17:34:50 | warmi | yeah, variation of that |
| 17:34:52 | Speedy2 | Right |
| 17:34:55 | warmi | but without flag modifiers |
| 17:34:56 | tux_mike | neo: really? |
| 17:34:58 | Speedy2 | I know the one you mean |
| 17:35:05 | warmi | I am not expert on ARM asm yuet |
| 17:35:12 | warmi | still learning it |
| 17:35:22 | Speedy2 | Yeah. Make good use of the shifter, it can be used in conjunction with a lot of ops |
| 17:35:24 | Speedy2 | Oh yeah |
| 17:35:24 | warmi | but I can already tell it is much , much better than X86 crap |
| 17:35:26 | Speedy2 | Use the predication. |
| 17:35:30 | tux_mike | neo: you have any binary files out there? :) (i was gonna try compiling, but if you did it already... :) |
| 17:35:35 | warmi | yeah, I am using shifter for alpha blitting |
| 17:35:48 | Speedy2 | Use predication like there is no tomorrow. |
| 17:35:50 | warmi | you can shift and add/divide or mask at the same time |
| 17:35:52 | Speedy2 | yeah |
| 17:35:56 | warmi | great for this kind of stuf |
| 17:35:58 | Speedy2 | Pretty clever |
| 17:35:58 | Speedy2 | Yeah |
| 17:36:18 | Speedy2 | adds, subs, use those guys |
| 17:36:26 | warmi | also, Neo ... doing rotating blit blows cache a lot that's why my zsurface class keeps images prerotated |
| 17:36:34 | warmi | it is much faster that way |
| 17:37:00 | Neo|Work | warmi: well, sure, but it does pretty darn well compared to a single memcpy if you ask me |
| 17:37:10 | warmi | ( not to mention you can't use multipe load/store commands) |
| 17:37:13 | Neo|Work | 8 ms isn't blazing fast but compared to 5.5 ms for memcpy it's not bad |
| 17:37:21 | Neo|Work | I do use word-size read/writes |
| 17:37:28 | warmi | yeah, I know . but as I said I wanna push it as far as I can |
| 17:37:34 | warmi | and see how fast I can get |
| 17:37:46 | warmi | I do use 10xword at one time |
| 17:37:49 | warmi | :-) |
| 17:37:53 | Neo|Work | of course, my stuff only does a simple backbuffer -> fb copy |
| 17:38:00 | warmi | of course it the bitmap is tall enough |
| 17:38:04 | Neo|Work | everything is SDL, or whatever graphics engine used |
| 17:38:07 | warmi | yeah, I know |
| 17:38:43 | Neo|Work | obviously, a lot of that other code has to use per-pixel blitting (masking, alpha...) |
| 17:39:10 | warmi | I am not doing per pixel masking |
| 17:39:16 | warmi | I am using RLE encoding |
| 17:39:42 | warmi | which works well for majority of sprites but fail if you have sprite lsay .. checkboard style / on - off |
| 17:39:43 | warmi | hehe |
| 17:40:42 | warmi | RLE is basically encoding ... say it tells you ok .. next 10 pixels are transparent , skip it .. or next 12 are not transparent , blast it without checking each one individually |
| 17:40:58 | warmi | you have to preprocess your bitmap beforehand |
| 17:40:59 | Neo|Work | right, I know of RLE |
| 17:41:03 | Neo|Work | Run Length Encoding |
| 17:41:12 | warmi | but generally it is faster than standardt transparent blitting |
| 17:41:13 | Neo|Work | SDL optionally has it as well |
| 17:42:53 | warmi | but first I got to finish that god damn Zchess |
| 17:43:16 | warmi | now , I got rid of this idiotic binary problem with gcc so I can proceed at faster rate |
| 17:43:29 | Speedy2 | ARM ASM & GCC. Not a friendly combo |
| 17:43:38 | warmi | well, it wasn't even that .. |
| 17:43:43 | Speedy2 | ?? |
| 17:43:57 | warmi | basically I had binary X85 Qtopia /qpe libs which I was using with my gcc |
| 17:44:17 | warmi | these libs must have been compiled with some slightly different gcc a |
| 17:44:30 | warmi | and it was causing subtle incompatibilities with my code |
| 17:44:47 | warmi | basically it would sometimes crash in app init code ( gcc init code) |
| 17:44:48 | warmi | etc |
| 17:44:55 | Speedy2 | crt0 |
| 17:44:56 | Speedy2 | eh? |
| 17:45:03 | warmi | I recompiled Qtopia and qte on my box and it all went away |
| 17:45:09 | warmi | now I am happy man again |
| 17:45:39 | warmi | I don't know what was it .. when I did backtrace on it, I was saying some libc init code etc .. and finally segfault somewhere there |
| 17:45:45 | warmi | weird stuff .. |
| 17:45:48 | Speedy2 | Indeed |
| 17:45:56 | Speedy2 | Documentation on ARM ASM for GCC is sparse. |
| 17:46:03 | Speedy2 | At least it was when I was doing my stuff |
| 17:46:03 | warmi | I have a book ... |
| 17:46:07 | Speedy2 | What book? |
| 17:46:10 | Speedy2 | ARM ARM? |
| 17:46:12 | warmi | hold one |
| 17:46:15 | warmi | hold on |
| 17:46:39 | WhiteHat | hi there |
| 17:47:02 | WhiteHat | is it possible to sync. Zaurus via irda ? |
| 17:47:04 | warmi | http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0201737191/ref=pd_bxgy_text_1/104-9548727-5560753 |
| 17:47:18 | Speedy2 | Yeah |
| 17:47:19 | Speedy2 | ARM ARM |
| 17:47:20 | Speedy2 | I haev it |
| 17:47:25 | WhiteHat | hmm |
| 17:47:32 | warmi | very dry ... doesn't teach you asm but gets the job done |
| 17:47:33 | Speedy2 | Except the GNU syntax isn't the same as the ARM syntax |
| 17:47:42 | Speedy2 | warmi: There is a better book you should get |
| 17:47:45 | warmi | it has all the mnemonics /adressing modes etc |
| 17:47:48 | Speedy2 | It's called "ARM Insights" by Steve Furber |
| 17:47:49 | warmi | what is that ? |
| 17:47:58 | Speedy2 | It has good snippets and a lot of interesting and useful info. |
| 17:48:05 | warmi | Speedy2: yeah it is |
| 17:48:07 | Speedy2 | Addison/Wessley publisher |
| 17:48:09 | Speedy2 | Do you have it? |
| 17:48:23 | warmi | I already wrote code using ARM syntax and GCC inline accepts it |
| 17:48:30 | Speedy2 | That must be new |
| 17:48:35 | warmi | yeah, I guess |
| 17:48:40 | Speedy2 | When I was using 2.95? It didn't accept ARM syntax |
| 17:48:40 | Speedy2 | AT ALL |
| 17:48:41 | warmi | that's what I was afraid off |
| 17:48:52 | Speedy2 | one sec |
| 17:48:52 | warmi | I have 2.95 or 2.96 gcc |
| 17:48:58 | warmi | and it does accept |
| 17:49:06 | warmi | at least limited set I used |
| 17:49:26 | warmi | mind you, I wasn't writting tons of code there just basic blits using 5-6 instructions |
| 17:49:26 | Speedy2 | ldr r0, =0x80020060 |
| 17:49:26 | Speedy2 | mov r1, #0x00000001 |
| 17:49:26 | Speedy2 | str r1, [r0] |
| 17:49:39 | Speedy2 | That's an example from my stuff |
| 17:50:07 | Speedy2 | I think ARM sytax uses/used a $ for register names or something |
| 17:50:13 | Speedy2 | I forgot, but there were differences |
| 17:50:19 | warmi | well, I don't remember now .. I have it at home but basically I used example from gcc docs how to use inline asm and plugged some code from that book |
| 17:50:31 | Speedy2 | mov r2, #0x02 @ store 0x02 (enable only trans |
| 17:50:31 | Speedy2 | mitter) |
| 17:50:31 | Speedy2 | str r2, [r1, #0x0C] @ in register UTCR3 |
| 17:50:34 | Speedy2 | Another example |
| 17:50:50 | warmi | yeah, that looks like arm |
| 17:50:57 | Speedy2 | Of course it is ;) |
| 17:51:08 | Speedy2 | But that's GCC stuff, I think the ARM version was different. |
| 17:51:10 | warmi | well, you might be right .. maybe ARM calls for $ or something liek that |
| 17:51:12 | Speedy2 | yeah |
| 17:51:21 | Speedy2 | There are subtle differences |
| 17:51:22 | warmi | but anyway .... the difference is not as great as in case of X86 |
| 17:51:25 | Speedy2 | I tried to use the shift instruction once |
| 17:51:27 | Speedy2 | hah |
| 17:51:27 | warmi | when everything is backward |
| 17:51:32 | Speedy2 | Took me 2 hrs to figure it out |
| 17:51:42 | Speedy2 | It used some weirdo format |
| 17:52:02 | Speedy2 | Anyway |
| 17:52:11 | warmi | Speedy2: which arm cpu you code for ? |
| 17:52:14 | Speedy2 | StrongARM |
| 17:52:16 | Speedy2 | Same as you. |
| 17:52:25 | warmi | oh ... because that book covers everything |
| 17:52:33 | warmi | including thumb set |
| 17:52:34 | Speedy2 | Well, it covers ARMV4 instruction set |
| 17:52:41 | Speedy2 | But the timings for StrongARM are not the same |
| 17:52:48 | warmi | which I understand is NOT present on StrongArm |
| 17:52:49 | Speedy2 | Well the instruction execution times MAYBE |
| 17:53:02 | Speedy2 | No, SA-110/1100/1110 do NOT have Thumb or Debug |
| 17:53:16 | warmi | well, I wouldn't use it anyway |
| 17:53:26 | warmi | it is supposedly slower |
| 17:53:33 | Speedy2 | Possibly |
| 17:53:35 | Speedy2 | Not always |
| 17:53:47 | Speedy2 | But SA is a full 32-bit dude and it's meant to be used that way |
| 17:54:00 | Speedy2 | So Thumb is superflous. |
| 17:54:17 | warmi | as I said, I am still learning ARM asm |
| 17:54:20 | Speedy2 | The Debug would have been very useful and cool, but no go |
| 17:54:33 | warmi | I used to write a lot of stuff in X86 and also Motorola 6800x |
| 17:54:41 | Speedy2 | warmi: Well look up the predicated instructions, adds, subs, etc |
| 17:54:47 | Speedy2 | You get a decent speed win using those |
| 17:55:05 | Speedy2 | 68K, eh? Coldfire is a pretty damn cool part. |
| 17:55:12 | warmi | yeah, right now I am trying to figure out how to do alpha and still use multiple load/store instructions |
| 17:55:21 | Neo|Work | is away: mtg |
| 17:55:47 | Speedy2 | warmi: Somewhere, there is a document that gives the timing information (how long it takes different instructions on the SA to execute). That's good to get. |
| 17:55:47 | warmi | I know how to do it for 0.5 alpha :-) a special case |
| 17:56:05 | warmi | yeah, I will look into it |
| 17:56:16 | Speedy2 | I think Intel has that for SA-110, and the SA-1100/1110 use basically the same core |
| 17:56:24 | Speedy2 | So you'll be fine with that document. |
| 17:56:29 | warmi | I know these days stuff is not so simple anymore .. a lot of timing depends on how well instructions pair ..etc |
| 17:56:33 | Speedy2 | The 7-modes of operation is a little excessive though. |
| 17:56:41 | warmi | Yeah, I have bunch of pdfs from Intel regarding that |
| 17:56:45 | warmi | I will look into it |
| 17:56:48 | Speedy2 | Cool. |
| 17:57:11 | warmi | right now I am just trying to get it working as it is with asm ... then I am going to see if I can cut some corners here and there and speed it up even more |
| 17:59:32 | nyargh | new version of ogg123 up on zauruszone |
| 17:59:35 | nyargh | using nicolas pitre's codec |
| 17:59:42 | nyargh | half the size, and much higher quality |
| 17:59:50 | Speedy2 | Nico is a cool dude. |
| 18:00:12 | nyargh | yup |
| 18:01:13 | WhiteHat | sorry to ask again. but is it possible to sync Zaurus via IrDA? |
| 18:02:28 | Speedy2 | Possibly, if you can get it to treat IrDA like a wireless serial link and do the same on your PC/Laptop |
| 18:04:40 | WhiteHat | ok Speedy2. 10x |
| 18:04:47 | Speedy2 | 10x? |
| 18:04:50 | WhiteHat | thanks |
| 18:04:53 | Speedy2 | Oh ;) |
| 18:04:54 | WhiteHat | :] |
| 18:04:55 | Speedy2 | You're welcome |
| 18:05:05 | Speedy2 | Usually IrDA can behave like a blind serial device |
| 18:05:11 | Speedy2 | ASKIR/115200 bps |
| 18:05:14 | WhiteHat | so, in other words, it hasn't been done |
| 18:05:17 | Speedy2 | Well |
| 18:05:23 | Speedy2 | I don't own a Z so I can't tell you |
| 18:05:27 | WhiteHat | oh ok |
| 18:05:28 | Speedy2 | But if you can sync via serial port |
| 18:05:33 | ljp | you can beam files ;) |
| 18:05:37 | Speedy2 | You should be able to via IrDA if the software isn't stupid |
| 18:05:49 | WhiteHat | lpj: it's a fact. I just discovered it :) |
| 18:08:11 | WhiteHat | c ya |
| 18:10:25 | Neo|Work | is back (gone 00:15:04) |
| 18:27:41 | benmeyer | Hi Snipper |
| 18:27:47 | Sniper | hi there |
| 18:27:48 | benmeyer | Sniper |
| 18:27:59 | benmeyer | Sniper also works for Sharp |
| 18:28:16 | killefiz | what should we bug him about? ;) |
| 18:28:18 | benmeyer | we are being overtaken. :-) |
| 18:28:23 | benmeyer | hmm, not sure |
| 18:28:26 | benmeyer | hehe |
| 18:28:34 | Wembly | hehe |
| 18:28:37 | Wembly | siwwy people. |
| 18:28:46 | Nadav | heh |
| 18:29:08 | Sniper | Sharp takeover!! |
| 18:29:55 | Nadav | gimme a discounted price sharp people ;) |
| 18:30:10 | benmeyer | Go to the developer site |
| 18:30:13 | benmeyer | you can get one ther |
| 18:30:20 | Sniper | we are not giving discounts on the 5500 yet |
| 18:30:28 | Sniper | Thats something Ive been working on |
| 18:30:32 | Nadav | hm. |
| 18:30:46 | killefiz | Sharp germany gives out developer editions of the 5500 |
| 18:30:55 | Sniper | 5000D? |
| 18:31:23 | Wembly | could someone explain to me why there is no default route for the usb inet stuffs? |
| 18:31:25 | Nadav | really? too bad i don't live in germany anymore |
| 18:31:43 | benmeyer | Wembly: you have to add it, I know it is kinda of a pain |
| 18:31:56 | Wembly | benmeyer: yes i know but why dosnt it exist? |
| 18:31:57 | benmeyer | maybe we should make a ipk that installs that all for you |
| 18:31:59 | Wembly | to begin with? |
| 18:32:20 | benmeyer | Because the target audiance isn't linux unfortunettly |
| 18:32:28 | Wembly | so? |
| 18:32:40 | Wembly | one can argue that if you setup NAT on windows youd have the same problem. |
| 18:33:24 | Sniper | brb |
| 18:34:36 | Sniper1 | back again |
| 18:34:46 | Nadav | maybe i'll buy a 5500 soon |
| 18:34:50 | whardier | hugs a cat |
| 18:34:59 | Wembly | yeye! |
| 18:35:08 | Wembly | now to figure out why my hotplug stuffs in linux hates me |
| 18:36:06 | Wembly | urg. |
| 18:37:54 | Wembly | *sighs* |
| 18:38:01 | Wembly | for the life of me i cant get hotplug to work :( |
| 18:38:35 | killefiz | Wembly: may I suggest getting a cf lan card? That makes life with the zaurus much easier |
| 18:38:45 | benmeyer | don't fret too much, neither did I, but suposedly someone at redhat is putting togher a rpm solution for us |
| 18:38:49 | Sniper1 | do most of you have the 5000D or 5500? |
| 18:39:01 | killefiz | I don't even know where my cradle is right now |
| 18:39:14 | Wembly | 5500 |
| 18:41:13 | ljp | I have a 5000d |
| 18:41:32 | KhensU_work | 5500 |
| 18:41:40 | Nadav | neither |
| 18:41:51 | Nadav | i want a 5500 ;) |
| 18:42:12 | Twiun | returns... Tada! |
| 18:42:16 | Neo|Work | wonders who Sniper really is. :P |
| 18:42:46 | benmeyer | Neo|Work: how goes doom? |
| 18:42:58 | Neo|Work | if / when there is news, you'll know. :P |
| 18:43:09 | benmeyer | ok :-D |
| 18:43:30 | killefiz | oh my god. A distributed.net client for the Z ;) |
| 18:43:30 | Neo|Work | is away: afk for a few mins |
| 18:43:31 | CloudChaser | i have a 5500 too :) |
| 18:43:41 | CloudChaser | i just bought an external battery pack ;) |
| 18:46:57 | Wembly | killefiz: thats scary |
| 18:47:16 | Wembly | benmeyer: an rpm solution for what? |
| 18:47:43 | Wembly | killefiz: id rather not a lancard but a wireless lan card. |
| 18:47:53 | Wembly | im just wondering about the attenta on the card. |
| 18:48:05 | Wembly | and other such things. |
| 18:48:45 | Wembly | why wont my usb0 interface show up? |
| 18:48:53 | Wembly | usbdnet has 0 use count :/ |
| 18:49:11 | Wembly | the module is loaded the craddle is plugged in the device is in the craddle. |
| 18:49:18 | Wembly | it just defys me :/ |
| 18:49:30 | ljp | ifconfig -a |
| 18:49:31 | killefiz | Wembly: wireless or not doesn't matter - both give you lan which is important (wireless is much more expensive) |
| 18:49:34 | Wembly | ljp: i did that. |
| 18:49:38 | warmi_work | crap ... my Windows 2000 is dying slow death |
| 18:49:41 | warmi_work | time to reboot |
| 18:49:49 | benmeyer | Wembly: for the usb conectivity |
| 18:49:59 | benmeyer | so all you have to do is install the rpm and you are all set |
| 18:50:05 | Wembly | ick |
| 18:50:11 | benmeyer | and plug it in |
| 18:50:12 | Wembly | *dislikes rpm* |
| 18:50:22 | Wembly | on the zaurus or on the redhat system? |
| 18:50:27 | benmeyer | i.e. try to get it so that Zaurus is supported in redhat 7.4 out of the box |
| 18:50:34 | Wembly | ahhh |
| 18:50:49 | Wembly | anyone making a package for debian? |
| 18:51:03 | KhensU_work | could do |
| 18:51:49 | benmeyer | A package for debian would be good |
| 18:51:57 | benmeyer | and packages for the development enviorment |
| 18:51:59 | benmeyer | :-) |
| 18:52:45 | KhensU_work | heh, I'll look into it then ;) |
| 18:54:31 | ljp | how about a package for SomeObscureBasementVariety Linux? |
| 18:55:00 | ljp | with their new SOB pakcage system? |
| 18:55:24 | Wembly | all i care about is figureing out why this silly device isnt detecting the pda :/ |
| 18:55:44 | Wembly | ljp: hey all package systems suck atm :) |
| 18:55:54 | Wembly | ljp: any progress on package management systems are a blessing |
| 18:56:15 | Wembly | there are sooo meny things that current package management is missing and lacking. yet has the ablity to easily do. |
| 18:56:42 | Wembly | anyhow |
| 18:56:57 | ljp | heheh.. |
| 18:57:46 | Sniper1 | (monkey) |
| 18:58:00 | Wembly | it worked before now it dosnt :/ |
| 18:58:01 | Wembly | wtf |
| 18:58:43 | Wembly | echo_tx param is? |
| 19:01:29 | Wembly | symbol for param echo_tx is not found or somesuch |
| 19:01:56 | ljp | you can ignore that |
| 19:02:18 | Wembly | why isnt it detected tho? |
| 19:04:28 | BigBoss | SWEET!!!! |
| 19:04:50 | Wembly | what? |
| 19:06:01 | Speedy2 | Later all, bbl |
| 19:06:57 | BigBoss | contest is over |
| 19:07:07 | ljp | wheres the announce? |
| 19:07:08 | Wembly | what contest? |
| 19:07:09 | BigBoss | we won grand prize |
| 19:07:21 | BigBoss | they are calling the winners |
| 19:07:27 | Wembly | congrads |
| 19:07:41 | BigBoss | the announcement will go out monday |
| 19:07:54 | Wembly | are they going to have other contests? |
| 19:09:58 | benmeyer | BigBoss: Where is the list? |
| 19:10:08 | Sniper1 | press release will go out Monday |
| 19:10:13 | Wembly | ugh! |
| 19:11:31 | BigBoss | there is no published list |
| 19:12:02 | benmeyer | do you know any of the other winners? |
| 19:12:19 | Wembly | any clue why the usb device isnt showing up? |
| 19:12:25 | BigBoss | he told me a couple apps, but I don't remember now |
| 19:12:28 | Wembly | are there any bugs in anything? |
| 19:12:43 | asys3 | BigBoss: can you tell me, when the new adressbook app is published (incl. the beam func.) ? |
| 19:13:01 | Rince | asys3: it is already? |
| 19:13:02 | BigBoss | it's out now |
| 19:13:36 | asys3 | BigBoss: you mean 1.5.0 is the version ? |
| 19:14:04 | BigBoss | 1.5.0-7 |
| 19:14:16 | Sniper | ok.. had to put personal info into irc client |
| 19:14:53 | BigBoss | asys3: just download whatever is currently available, it is the latest |
| 19:15:09 | Sniper | bigboss: congrats |
| 19:16:07 | BigBoss | thanks |
| 19:16:16 | asys3 | BigBoss: i'm doing so actually - does it mean i always get the latest version for a product and only have to pay once ? |
| 19:16:30 | ljp | what app won? |
| 19:17:08 | BigBoss | asys3: yes, for now |
| 19:17:11 | BigBoss | tkcJabber |
| 19:17:53 | ljp | hmm you sure it wasnt gutenbrowser? I could have sworn they called my in the middle of the night.. ;) |
| 19:18:17 | Sniper | Im putting together a 'secondary' contest |
| 19:18:55 | warmi | re |
| 19:18:56 | Sniper | as a follow-up |
| 19:18:59 | Sniper | stay tuned |
| 19:19:09 | warmi | ah .. missed something again |
| 19:19:15 | Wembly | could someone explain to me when you do a terminate qtopia. |
| 19:19:17 | ljp | damn.. that means I'll have to move all my living room furniture back |
| 19:19:28 | Wembly | the options are when you press / while it says wait? |
| 19:20:00 | ljp | warmi: yep.. BigBoss says tkcJabber won the contest |
| 19:20:13 | treke | contrest over? |
| 19:20:24 | ljp | according to BB is it |
| 19:20:29 | warmi | how come he has inside knowledge ? |
| 19:20:34 | treke | because he won? |
| 19:20:46 | Sniper | the press release is being worked on right now |
| 19:20:47 | ljp | they are phoning the winners |
| 19:21:04 | warmi | oh .. so they send out email already |
| 19:21:08 | warmi | emails |
| 19:21:20 | warmi | well, I didn't get one so I guess I didn't win anything |
| 19:21:21 | warmi | hehe |
| 19:21:39 | Wembly | so anyone know what the options mean? |
| 19:21:41 | warmi | correction ... I won the Zaurus |
| 19:21:45 | CloudChaser | Congrats BigBoss! :) |
| 19:21:48 | Wembly | with the wait... screen? |
| 19:21:51 | treke | Well I guess tkcjabber is a worthy winner :) |
| 19:22:04 | warmi | yeah, tkcJabber is a nice app |
| 19:22:32 | warmi | definately one of the most usefull apps in the contest |
| 19:22:37 | CloudChaser | hehe being the talker that I am, its my favorite :) |
| 19:23:00 | treke | has no substantial complaints about tkcjabber |
| 19:23:02 | ljp | I'm going to contest the contest.. they were bribed by the Russians! ;) |
| 19:23:09 | Neo|Work | tkcJabber won? Hrm. :P |
| 19:23:13 | warmi | yeah |
| 19:23:26 | ljp | or so the rumour is |
| 19:23:28 | treke | glares at msmax |
| 19:23:33 | Neo|Work | warmi: you were wrong though. :P |
| 19:23:47 | warmi | I actually expected some more "serious" app like korgannizer |
| 19:23:52 | Neo|Work | right |
| 19:24:01 | warmi | but , sure ktcJabber is a great app and surely deserved to win |
| 19:24:09 | Neo|Work | notes how tkc really didn't NEED to win. ;-) |
| 19:24:12 | Neo|Work | heh |
| 19:24:16 | Neo|Work | I haven't actually tried it |
| 19:24:22 | warmi | as I said, in practical terms , it was most likely the most used app of them all anyway |
| 19:24:29 | Wembly | *for the life of him he'll never understand how the zaurus file structure is structured :/ |
| 19:24:47 | treke | <Neo|Work> Eligo is far more usefull than tkcjabber |
| 19:24:47 | Neo|Work | yeah |
| 19:24:54 | CloudChaser | what is Eligo? |
| 19:24:56 | warmi | heheh |
| 19:25:06 | warmi | well, yeah .. if you want to play then it surely is |
| 19:25:07 | Neo|Work | treke: nah, I never expected to win the grand price and I don't think tkcJabber is a bad choice in general |
| 19:25:11 | | well, eligo is http://eongames.com/games/eligo/ |
| 19:25:11 | Neo|Work | ibot eligo |
| 19:25:21 | ljp | I wanted the metronome to win |
| 19:25:26 | warmi | hahah |
| 19:25:34 | Neo|Work | and msmax certainly has pushed out a large number of apps too. :) |
| 19:25:35 | benmeyer | Wembly: For an overview of the file sturucture in the Zaurus goto: http://127.0.0.1/howtos/system_layout.shtml |
| 19:25:42 | warmi | I think mark didn't even bother submiting it to the final round |
| 19:25:49 | Neo|Work | ljp: I actualy don't think he finished it |
| 19:25:53 | ljp | I know |
| 19:26:10 | warmi | and frankly, knowing financial situation in Russia he is the one who needs 10K most |
| 19:26:17 | ljp | so.. who else won? |
| 19:26:18 | Wembly | benmeyer: umm.... |
| 19:26:21 | Neo|Work | hopefully he will get it too. :) |
| 19:26:25 | Wembly | beymeyer: thats.. like.. :P |
| 19:26:27 | Neo|Work | Sniper: who are you? |
| 19:26:32 | killefiz | benmeyer: that's a warez-server ;) |
| 19:26:34 | treke | arent all of msmaxs apps owned by tkc though? |
| 19:26:35 | warmi | he is from Sharp |
| 19:26:38 | Neo|Work | Meaning, do you have a name that one might understand? |
| 19:26:46 | Neo|Work | treke: one would think |
| 19:26:52 | benmeyer | haha replace 127.0.0.1 with www.zauruszone.com |
| 19:26:52 | Wembly | ben: are you actually serious? |
| 19:26:56 | Neo|Work | hopefully he'll at least get a hefty bonus. :) |
| 19:27:04 | benmeyer | Wembly: For an overview of the file sturucture in the Zaurus goto: http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/system_layout.shtml |
| 19:27:05 | Neo|Work | benmeyer: hehe. :) |
| 19:27:14 | Wembly | i was gonna say hehe |
| 19:27:18 | benmeyer | I run a local web server to play with, before I update |
| 19:27:33 | Neo|Work | benmeyer: btw, is it just me or are none of the interesting things (feed, howtos) etc linked from the frontpage or so? |
| 19:27:56 | Wembly | where does the source for stuffs located in /home come from? |
| 19:27:57 | warmi | yeah, I think they should be .. by now I remember to just type /howtos |
| 19:28:09 | warmi | but I think there should be more direct and visible linke somewhere there |
| 19:28:23 | Neo|Work | btw, in regards to the TT contest in general - it's very hard to have a "fair" contest where the subject is "anything" |
| 19:28:33 | Wembly | hehe |
| 19:28:34 | Wembly | nm |
| 19:28:42 | Neo|Work | say a "application contest" or a "game contest" or smaller fields are easier to judge and such |
| 19:28:47 | treke | Neo|Work : you really didnt have a chance from the start :) |
| 19:28:55 | warmi | Neo|Work: well , I told you .. games don't win unless it i a contest specifically for writing games |
| 19:28:58 | Neo|Work | Well, if I had made some hell-of-a-game perhaps |
| 19:29:03 | warmi | anyway, I had lost of fun as it was |
| 19:29:07 | warmi | lots |
| 19:29:09 | Neo|Work | like StarCraft for Zaurus or so. :P |
| 19:29:10 | warmi | not lost |
| 19:29:13 | warmi | hehe |
| 19:29:22 | Neo|Work | warmi: Oh, I'm very fine with my Zaurus. Dang it I'm not complaining. :P |
| 19:29:23 | treke | I doubt you could have one if you ported doom 3 and got it running at 100fps |
| 19:29:33 | warmi | hehe |
| 19:29:38 | warmi | there is no need for 100 fps |
| 19:29:44 | Neo|Work | 30 fps. :) |
| 19:29:44 | warmi | I think original run at 30 or so |
| 19:29:55 | Neo|Work | But even Interstellar Flames wouldn't have won first price. |
| 19:29:59 | Neo|Work | if it WAS done |
| 19:30:08 | warmi | awell, who knows |
| 19:30:10 | Wembly | ben: where does that wait... / menu come from? |
| 19:30:16 | ljp | didnt win, so he's going to quit being a software developer altogether |
| 19:30:19 | Wembly | when you terminate qtopia? |
| 19:30:23 | treke | warmi : Doom 3 is the one that'll be doing 30ps on a gefroce 4 :) |
| 19:30:25 | Neo|Work | ljp: heh |
| 19:30:42 | warmi | yeah, I know ... adn that's if you have the latest model |
| 19:30:43 | Neo|Work | treke: I like comments like "hopefully computers will be fast enough when it's released..." |
| 19:30:59 | Neo|Work | but man, does it look good |
| 19:31:00 | warmi | supposedly , Doom 3 will stress the hell out of your graphic card |
| 19:31:03 | Sniper | brb |
| 19:31:31 | treke | Neo|Work : I still like how they screwed up on the really cool screen shots. "Oh we accidentally were running at medium graphics" |
| 19:31:54 | Neo|Work | treke: huh? The screenshots from the e3 article wasn't full quality? or some other shots? |
| 19:32:06 | Neo|Work | (like the one with the monster dragging some dead dude across the floor) |
| 19:32:20 | treke | Neo|Work : it was the video that wasnt full I think. Those shots might not have been though |
| 19:32:27 | Neo|Work | ah |
| 19:32:32 | warmi | I just hope they manage to capture that suspense from the original game |
| 19:32:38 | Neo|Work | perhaps todays computers aren't fast enough. :P |
| 19:32:43 | warmi | I mean this thing was genuinely scary |
| 19:32:45 | warmi | hehe |
| 19:32:48 | Neo|Work | warmi: I think they will, surpassinng it by far |
| 19:33:19 | Neo|Work | they are really spending time on that part of it it seems |
| 19:33:46 | [DrEvil] | Serious Sam |
| 19:33:48 | [DrEvil] | now that is a game |
| 19:34:00 | warmi | well, SS is fun but a different kind of fun |
| 19:34:13 | Neo|Work | I am so looking forward to Doom 3 |
| 19:34:14 | warmi | just pure blasting at the fastest rate possible |
| 19:34:19 | [DrEvil] | it's more fun than Quake 3 |
| 19:34:24 | warmi | yeah |
| 19:34:28 | Neo|Work | my next computer will most likely be purchased (upgraded) to run it |
| 19:34:31 | Sniper | Counterstrike is still the best |
| 19:34:38 | warmi | but niether of them has that Doom scary kind of feel |
| 19:34:39 | Neo|Work | at least a faster CPU and GF4 or GF5 or whatever |
| 19:34:43 | warmi | both seem silly |
| 19:34:49 | BigBoss | oh, KOrganizer won the personal productivity category |
| 19:34:50 | [DrEvil] | I made my GeForce 3 slow down in on part of SS |
| 19:35:07 | warmi | so at least I was right about that |
| 19:35:34 | Neo|Work | http://www.gamespy.com/e32002/pc/doom3b/screenshots.shtml, especially http://www.gamespy.com/e32002/image.asp?/e32002/pc/doom3b/9.jpg |
| 19:35:38 | Neo|Work | BigBoss: how do you know that? |
| 19:35:43 | treke | IS KOrganizer available anywhere? |
| 19:36:04 | BigBoss | I asked about the other apps when they called me |
| 19:36:07 | Neo|Work | Sniper: Counterstrike is nice and I'm surprised there isn't a modern, commercial try to beat it |
| 19:36:08 | BigBoss | that's the only one I remember |
| 19:36:23 | Neo|Work | odd that they call before announcing or what not. |
| 19:36:35 | BigBoss | they are calling the winners to let them know |
| 19:36:41 | treke | Neo|Work : the new single player counterstrike looks significantly better to me |
| 19:36:42 | BigBoss | because it was already so delayed |
| 19:36:50 | BigBoss | and sharp has to approve the announcement, so that takes time |
| 19:36:52 | warmi | BB : well, congratulations .. richly deserved .. tkcJaber is a great app |
| 19:36:58 | BigBoss | dumb red-tape |
| 19:37:03 | Neo|Work | treke: but isn't it still the half-life engine? |
| 19:37:04 | warmi | I know tons of people are using it |
| 19:37:09 | BigBoss | thanks warmi - that money certainly will help theKompany |
| 19:37:10 | Neo|Work | didn't know there was a single player version though |
| 19:37:18 | Neo|Work | BigBoss: now you can surely afford to give me a copy. :) |
| 19:37:28 | warmi | which I guess is one of the way to judge usefullnes of the program |
| 19:37:37 | treke | Neo|Work : not sure. it was at e3 this year |
| 19:37:54 | warmi | Korganizer could be big |
| 19:38:02 | Neo|Work | if it works, yeah |
| 19:38:06 | BigBoss | Neo: I thought I already gave you some stuff |
| 19:38:07 | Neo|Work | never used the desktop version |
| 19:38:14 | warmi | it is one of the apps that shine on PDAs |
| 19:38:17 | Neo|Work | BigBoss: right, but I have no stuff on the horizon. :P |
| 19:38:30 | Neo|Work | heh |
| 19:38:38 | Neo|Work | BigBoss: just got a network card, that's all. :PP |
| 19:39:10 | BigBoss | anyone ever rip CD's from Konqueror? |
| 19:39:18 | Neo|Work | huh? |
| 19:39:23 | BigBoss | I can't for the life of me find how to do it in SuSE 8 |
| 19:39:33 | Neo|Work | sounds like an awefully odd thing to do with a webbbrowser. :P |
| 19:39:34 | BigBoss | i have really grown to hate suse the last few releases |
| 19:39:44 | treke | Neo|Work : its also a file manager |
| 19:39:51 | BigBoss | it's cool, you drag and drop the tracks to your HD and it will ask if you want to do mp3 or ogg |
| 19:39:52 | Neo|Work | treke: oh. |
| 19:39:58 | BigBoss | I just don't know how to do it |
| 19:39:59 | Neo|Work | BigBoss: that's cute |
| 19:40:06 | W|GGL|T | yeah, i lost interest after suse 7.1 |
| 19:41:22 | asys3 | BigBoss: i installed adr 1.5.0-7 - it looks much better - thx. |
| 19:41:51 | Wembly | why do i have ppp running on my system? |
| 19:42:09 | Wembly | heres a question........ |
| 19:42:14 | Wembly | err nm |
| 19:42:20 | Wembly | *sighs* |
| 19:42:32 | Wembly | why wont this thing recognize itself :/ |
| 19:42:38 | Wembly | it works on windows :/ |
| 19:42:58 | Neo|Work | never used suse |
| 19:42:59 | Wembly | ben: any more clues? |
| 19:43:08 | Wembly | ben: it works in windows.. dosnt like linux :/ |
| 19:43:13 | Neo|Work | benmeyer: I noticed something odd with the tab manager |
| 19:43:23 | BigBoss | asys3: good |
| 19:43:36 | Neo|Work | uh never mind |
| 19:43:49 | Neo|Work | it had the menu off-sync with the tabs but it's fixed now |
| 19:43:50 | Neo|Work | how odd |
| 19:46:38 | Wembly | what in the world is 'survive? |
| 19:46:42 | Wembly | err 'survive' ? |
| 19:46:49 | Neo|Work | huh? |
| 19:46:59 | Neo|Work | in what context |
| 19:47:07 | Neo|Work | Survive \Sur*vive"\, v. i. |
| 19:47:07 | Neo|Work | To remain alive; to continue to live. |
| 19:47:36 | Wembly | :P |
| 19:47:48 | Wembly | i mean in context of the binary that is located in /sbin/ |
| 19:48:07 | Neo|Work | on the Zaurus or in general? |
| 19:48:12 | warmi | hehehe |
| 19:48:42 | warmi | man ... I need to some food .. preferably couple of tacos |
| 19:49:13 | Neo|Work | hmm. Taco Bell. Yum. ;-) |
| 19:49:36 | Wembly | on the zaurus |
| 19:49:39 | Wembly | and what starts pppd? |
| 19:49:40 | warmi | actrually, I found something better .. a small , local mexican place |
| 19:50:04 | warmi | great tacos .. not to say Taco Bell suck, it is great - especially their chalupas |
| 19:50:26 | warmi | but still, nothing can compare to small Mom'n Pop places |
| 19:50:46 | Neo|Work | warmi: Baja chalupa - what I always get these days. :P |
| 19:50:58 | warmi | Neo; do they have Taco Bell in Sweden |
| 19:50:59 | warmi | ? |
| 19:51:02 | Neo|Work | Mexican in general is "odd" for me (coming from Sweden I guess) |
| 19:51:06 | Neo|Work | no, we don't |
| 19:51:22 | Neo|Work | and I believe I have only seen and eaten at one (1) "mexican" place in sweden |
| 19:51:27 | warmi | actualy I work with a lot of Indians .. |
| 19:51:36 | Neo|Work | and "mexican" was various variations of tacos basically |
| 19:51:48 | warmi | and their food is hot ... man , the spices stuff I have ever tasted |
| 19:52:12 | warmi | yeah, I know ..... tacos and possibly chilly |
| 19:52:48 | Neo|Work | yes |
| 19:52:51 | warmi | I thought I was going to die when I tried real southern Indian food |
| 19:53:01 | Neo|Work | I have had H O T stuff though |
| 19:53:06 | warmi | now I got used to it but still, some stuff is just too much for me |
| 19:53:09 | Neo|Work | like habanero salsa |
| 19:53:21 | Neo|Work | and I talk about salsa made with the hottest of the hottest habanero |
| 19:53:28 | Neo|Work | and I ate it like ordinary salsa on tacos |
| 19:53:29 | warmi | yeah, deadly stuff |
| 19:53:31 | Neo|Work | spoonfuls |
| 19:53:39 | Neo|Work | OHMYFSCKINGGOD! |
| 19:53:45 | Neo|Work | I hate HALF A TACO before I noticed |
| 19:53:48 | Neo|Work | and man was it hot |
| 19:53:57 | Neo|Work | I have never before had anything that REALLY was hot |
| 19:54:05 | warmi | one can lose his/her taste for hours with this stuff |
| 19:54:39 | warmi | well, I am sure it only seems like that to us cause we come from the far north |
| 19:54:47 | warmi | where food tends to be mild |
| 19:55:13 | Neo|Work | I recovered relatively quickly, with the help of milk (fat you know) and gum (seems to bind with capsasin (sp?)) |
| 19:55:28 | warmi | yeah, I know .. I tried to calm it down with coke |
| 19:55:32 | warmi | and it didn't work |
| 19:55:59 | warmi | I had to order indian version of yogurt ( called lassi) |
| 19:56:00 | Neo|Work | and I think that habenero salsa, which is around 300000 ppm caps, is about as hot as it gets (TM) |
| 19:56:00 | Wembly | yeyey! |
| 19:56:03 | Wembly | i dunno what i did hehe |
| 19:56:10 | Wembly | other then rebooted the unit :/ |
| 19:56:40 | Neo|Work | that said, indian food is HOT when served "as it should be" for sure. also it's often creamy and that's not by accidenty. :) |
| 19:56:48 | | zsi is http://killefiz.de/zaurus/ |
| 19:56:48 | treke | ibot , zsi |
| 19:56:52 | warmi | hehe |
| 19:57:05 | Wembly | is there a ipkg that fixes the usb no default gateway issue? |
| 19:57:29 | Neo|Work | Wembly: I wish, although not I guess it doesn't matter to me (CF NIC) |
| 19:57:58 | warmi | Neo|Work: I already told you my expectations as far as games category .. I susspect French guy with UE will win |
| 19:58:06 | warmi | ha has been cooking some cool stuff |
| 19:58:19 | warmi | or possible SA if it got in, in time |
| 19:58:38 | Neo|Work | it was submitted for sure but apparently judges never got it |
| 19:58:50 | warmi | but this french guy had like 4 boulder dash like games |
| 19:58:51 | Neo|Work | don't know what happened with that |
| 19:58:58 | Neo|Work | Oh, I know |
| 19:58:59 | warmi | with , according to him, smooth scrolling etc |
| 19:59:10 | Neo|Work | question is, are they any fun? :) |
| 19:59:13 | warmi | I never seen that in the action but the screenshots look good |
| 19:59:18 | warmi | yeah, that's true |
| 19:59:21 | Wembly | UE? |
| 19:59:26 | warmi | well, Boulder Dash was a lot of fun |
| 19:59:35 | warmi | http://int13.net/ |
| 19:59:40 | warmi | UE engine |
| 19:59:57 | warmi | I remember wasting many hours playing the original game on my Atari |
| 20:00:09 | Wembly | warmi: that.. tells me nothing :/ |
| 20:00:27 | Wembly | urg scripts nm hehe |
| 20:00:49 | warmi | Wembly: I didn't create that site :-) |
| 20:00:52 | warmi | don't blame me |
| 20:00:55 | Neo|Work | right, but that doesn't mean that his implementation is |
| 20:01:12 | warmi | Neo|Work: yeah .. I know |
| 20:01:19 | warmi | well, I guess we will see soon enough |
| 20:01:42 | Neo|Work | yeah |
| 20:01:52 | Neo|Work | of course they had to wait till Monday to announce it. :P |
| 20:02:05 | warmi | hehehe |
| 20:02:30 | warmi | nah .. if they called BB then obviously it won't be long before they let us know |
| 20:02:31 | Neo|Work | "What do today that you can do next week" |
| 20:02:37 | warmi | and in any case .. |
| 20:02:52 | warmi | if we don't get the call then it is cleary :-) |
| 20:02:57 | Neo|Work | <BigBoss> the announcement will go out monday |
| 20:03:08 | warmi | oh ... I missed that |
| 20:03:27 | Wembly | *sigh* |
| 20:03:31 | warmi | that sucks |
| 20:04:21 | Neo|Work | Sniper: ah, you ARE Spencer. Hey. :-P |
| 20:04:45 | warmi | hehe |
| 20:05:32 | warmi | you though it was Jason in disguise? |
| 20:05:34 | warmi | heeh |
| 20:05:59 | Neo|Work | they might have more than 3 people working there ya know. :P |
| 20:06:15 | warmi | well, I know but so far I just know 3 names there |
| 20:06:22 | Neo|Work | right |
| 20:06:25 | Wembly | where is the network config stuff stored? |
| 20:06:32 | warmi | not a lot for a project like Zaurus |
| 20:06:50 | Neo|Work | Most of the peopel working on it are in Japan, so.. |
| 20:07:27 | ljp | all Sharp employees are bots, I thought everyone knew that |
| 20:07:31 | warmi | yeah, I know .. I think I have seen some Zaurus UNIX script code signed with some Japanese names |
| 20:07:39 | warmi | haha |
| 20:08:13 | warmi | oh, no .. that was Windows install script for their tools |
| 20:08:35 | Neo|Work | Has everyone been contacted by Zaurus Germany? |
| 20:08:43 | warmi | yeah |
| 20:08:49 | warmi | asking for permission to post apps ? |
| 20:08:53 | ljp | yes, multiple times |
| 20:08:59 | Neo|Work | they seem pretty "on it", which feels like a "typical" German trait. RN Germany is the same whay |
| 20:09:23 | treke | not on it enough to know better than to send their email to opie-devl |
| 20:09:28 | warmi | yeah .. they are good at everything they do .. including waging wars |
| 20:09:30 | warmi | heeh |
| 20:09:46 | Neo|Work | well, it's pretty darn automatic |
| 20:09:48 | Neo|Work | the mail that is |
| 20:09:57 | Neo|Work | but I mean in general they are really taking the Zaurus seriously |
| 20:10:29 | warmi | cetrainly more seriously than their British counterparts |
| 20:11:04 | asys3 | asys3: the taurus is the first linux pda sold in the big stores and seen in a lot of ads here in germany. |
| 20:11:15 | warmi | aproximately 30% of the orders for Puzz-le came from Germany |
| 20:11:22 | ljp | treke: thats because the support email for opie apps on handango are opie ml |
| 20:11:35 | Neo|Work | warmi: hmm. I haven't made any such checks. might be interesting to look at geographical distribution |
| 20:11:48 | warmi | Neo; any news about your native Sweden ? |
| 20:11:49 | Neo|Work | one cool thing is that Strategic Assault automatically uses german locale when run on a 5500D. :) |
| 20:11:56 | warmi | can you buy Z there ? |
| 20:11:59 | Neo|Work | unfortunately it's lacking an up-to-date german manual |
| 20:12:12 | Neo|Work | warmi: you can, if you buy it from the US, UK or Germany I guess |
| 20:12:19 | Neo|Work | i.e not available nativaly |
| 20:12:21 | warmi | btw .. when was a last time you been in Sweden ? |
| 20:12:27 | Neo|Work | with Swedish keyboard etc |
| 20:12:35 | Neo|Work | last time was... years ago. 2-3 or so |
| 20:16:27 | warmi | Neo|Work: have you played with QHorse ? |
| 20:16:58 | warmi | I found that game to be similar to Pet DOG ( or soemthing like that ) available for GameBoy |
| 20:17:24 | warmi | of course, it is rather badly coded in the sense that graphic is slow and somewhat .. doesn't have the right feel |
| 20:17:33 | warmi | but the concept itself is cool |
| 20:18:07 | Neo|Work | no, I haven't |
| 20:18:21 | warmi | check it out when you have some time |
| 20:18:22 | benmeyer | warmi: is QHors3e out? |
| 20:18:32 | warmi | it is available on myzaurus.com |
| 20:18:51 | benmeyer | ah |
| 20:18:59 | warmi | I haven't tried to play networked game with another zaurus |
| 20:19:01 | benmeyer | http://www.geocities.com/myhorse_sam/#download |
| 20:19:03 | Neo|Work | now with th eCF card I'll be able to download stuff when at work too. :P |
| 20:19:22 | warmi | jsut playing around trying to keep that horse alive |
| 20:19:58 | Neo|Work | so it's like a tamagochi (sp?) but with a horse that you later race? :P |
| 20:20:10 | warmi | I don't know what tamagochi is |
| 20:20:31 | Neo|Work | toy that needs you to take care of it by pressing buttons |
| 20:20:38 | Neo|Work | electronic pet of sorts |
| 20:20:47 | Neo|Work | very popular some years ago, don't know about today |
| 20:20:56 | warmi | yeah, |
| 20:21:05 | warmi | precisely like that |
| 20:21:13 | Neo|Work | and if you ignore it, it died. :P |
| 20:21:16 | warmi | except that ultimate goal is to win the race |
| 20:21:35 | benmeyer | winning the race wasn't too hard |
| 20:21:39 | benmeyer | did that on the first time |
| 20:21:40 | warmi | it is a bit frustrating dues to its slowness |
| 20:21:45 | benmeyer | it is just amusing |
| 20:22:30 | warmi | heh ... QHorse ... the name itself is amusing |
| 20:22:55 | Wembly | has anyone played with dhcp client? |
| 20:23:07 | Wembly | would that set the default route? |
| 20:24:08 | Neo|Work | it should |
| 20:24:19 | Neo|Work | I was going to try my cf nic at work using dhcp |
| 20:24:20 | Wembly | with a dhcp client? |
| 20:24:38 | Wembly | i mean so usb thingie works. |
| 20:24:40 | Neo|Work | dhcp should be able to set: nameserver, route, ip-address... |
| 20:24:53 | Neo|Work | I once hacked a script to make usb set the route |
| 20:25:00 | Neo|Work | don't tink dhcp + usb would work |
| 20:25:51 | Wembly | the scripts in usbd.func seems to suggest it will |
| 20:25:58 | Wembly | err /etc/hotplug/usbd.func |
| 20:26:08 | Wembly | but i dunno if the system will actually set the default route |
| 20:28:47 | ljp | Hey BigBoss: I'd buy you a round of Scotch, but I can seem to get it through this modem |
| 20:29:06 | Neo|Work | Wembly: I manually edited that file to make it set the default route acutally |
| 20:31:26 | Wembly | herm. |
| 20:31:37 | Wembly | i dont like that solution hehe :) |
| 20:31:59 | Wembly | apparntly it dosnt set the default route cus it sets up a dhcp server insted :/ |
| 20:43:42 | BigBoss | guys, do me a favor |
| 20:43:52 | BigBoss | TT just now told me not to mention anything about the contest |
| 20:43:59 | BigBoss | duh, they should have said something when they called |
| 20:44:07 | CloudChaser | seals lips |
| 20:44:08 | BigBoss | so please try not to say anything more about it |
| 20:44:21 | BigBoss | ljp: I love scotch - find a way :_ |
| 20:44:27 | CloudChaser | hehe |
| 20:44:44 | CloudChaser | not a problem ...i don't know anyone to tell anyway ;) |
| 20:45:10 | Neo|Work | BigBoss: I was wondering about that |
| 20:45:17 | benmeyer | BigBoss: who won for communication? |
| 20:45:41 | Neo|Work | benmeyer: you still up for the contest or are you disqualified for working at sharp? |
| 20:45:58 | benmeyer | I belive that I am still qualified |
| 20:46:02 | BigBoss | I actually don't know much beyond what I already said |
| 20:46:14 | BigBoss | ben: no you're not from what I understand, but I could be wrong |
| 20:46:14 | benmeyer | sense the ipk that I submited was done before working for Sharp |
| 20:46:15 | Neo|Work | benmeyer: is kinkatta aim or what was it? |
| 20:46:19 | Neo|Work | ah |
| 20:46:29 | benmeyer | aim yah |
| 20:46:52 | BigBoss | ben: I think you should be, but I don't make the rules. |
| 20:46:57 | BigBoss | eligable that is |
| 20:57:15 | CloudChaser | - |
| 21:09:21 | Wembly | herm... |
| 21:09:45 | Wembly | *ponders how you can have a dhcp server up on an interface that does not exist untill it is too late hehe |
| 21:15:27 | Wembly | herm. |
| 21:15:30 | Wembly | well that seemed to work hehe |
| 21:17:01 | Neo|Work | whatcha do? |
| 21:17:57 | fusion94 | oops |
| 21:18:07 | fusion94 | deleting /usr is a bad thing to do |
| 21:19:31 | tux_mike | neo: do you have an arm compiled sdl and headers, by any chance? |
| 21:23:51 | Wembly | *sigh* it still dosnt add a default route :/ |
| 21:29:21 | Wembly | *sigh* now it dosnt even add A route let alone a default one :/ |
| 21:31:00 | Hellaenergy | Wembly: what are you talking about? |
| 21:32:27 | Wembly | hehe |
| 21:32:34 | Wembly | im trying to get a default route to show up :/ |
| 21:32:37 | Wembly | but its not :( |
| 21:37:57 | Wembly | but now i cant even get the normal route to show up :/ |
| 21:38:06 | Wembly | the interface just dies :/ |
| 21:40:56 | Neo|Work | tux_mike: well, I have the ipk but it doesn't have headers |
| 21:41:07 | Neo|Work | tux_mike: just compile it yourself |
| 21:41:16 | Neo|Work | there should be a readme and stuff in the latest SDL release |
| 21:41:20 | tux_mike | yah, i installed the ipk... i'll just build it myself... i went throught all the optiosn |
| 21:41:30 | tux_mike | any thing i should be aware of? |
| 21:41:37 | Neo|Work | the ipk is, I believe, somewhat out of date |
| 21:41:50 | Neo|Work | if you do "widescreen" stuff the mouse events are broken |
| 21:42:02 | tux_mike | widescreen? |
| 21:42:13 | Neo|Work | open a 320x240 window and it'll render it sideways |
| 21:42:24 | tux_mike | ah |
| 21:42:32 | ljp_mobile | I wonder how many entries weren't judged because of faulty web submission handling.. |
| 21:42:40 | tux_mike | does prboom open in a 240xwhatever window? |
| 21:42:44 | Neo|Work | ljp_mobile: I wonder if they have any clue |
| 21:43:06 | Neo|Work | tux_mike: no it uses widescreen. code borks if width < 240 |
| 21:43:08 | Neo|Work | oops |
| 21:43:11 | Neo|Work | < 320 even |
| 21:43:19 | tux_mike | prboom? |
| 21:43:44 | Neo|Work | any doom I tried has 320x200 as the minimum I believe |
| 21:43:57 | tux_mike | ok, so it doesn't scale lower |
| 21:44:43 | Neo|Work | so it seems |
| 21:44:49 | warmi_away | ljp_mobile: so you heard about that too ? Frankly , to tell the truth I never heard anything official about faulty cgi or anything except some speculation from Neo |
| 21:44:49 | Neo|Work | that was the native resolution |
| 21:44:55 | tux_mike | do the cursor keys get rotated |
| 21:45:12 | Neo|Work | warmi_away: well, I know for sure that Simon DID submit Strategic Assault and DID get a confirmation email |
| 21:45:16 | Neo|Work | that is a fact |
| 21:45:28 | Neo|Work | and that he submitted it before I submitted Eligo too, I believe |
| 21:45:31 | ljp_mobile | warmi: me either... just wonerment tho |
| 21:46:34 | warmi_away | Neo|Work: I know .. but don't know for sure they weren't judged .. |
| 21:46:50 | Neo|Work | I know for sure the judges didn't get / see Strategic Assault |
| 21:46:59 | Neo|Work | Jason said so much |
| 21:47:15 | Neo|Work | what I don't know is why and if any other apps ran into the same fate |
| 21:47:23 | warmi_away | oh well, there yeah .. they have a problem |
| 21:47:54 | treke | Neo|Work : thats retty bad that they would finish the contest with unseen submissions |
| 21:48:57 | warmi_away | well, we don;t know .. maybe that delay ( last week) was caused by them having judges look at the mising apps |
| 21:48:59 | tux_mike | neo: i've gotten this problem before when compiling SDL for arm, and i forgot how to fix it,configure: error: installation or configuration problem: C compiler cannot create executables. |
| 21:49:34 | Neo|Work | warmi_away: well, remember that one of the judges, Jason, has been gone this week... |
| 21:49:43 | warmi_away | I think you have to tell thes script that it is cross compile |
| 21:49:51 | Neo|Work | tux_mike: read README.qtopia - does that help? |
| 21:49:55 | Wembly | well this is rather disturbing... 'ip address: usbd0' :P |
| 21:50:15 | tux_mike | neo: there is no README.qtopia |
| 21:50:19 | tux_mike | first thing i looked for |
| 21:50:30 | tux_mike | unless it's hidden somewhere |
| 21:50:36 | tux_mike | it's not with the rest of them |
| 21:50:48 | warmi_away | NeoWork: well, yeah .. seems like mess but hey ... I got already got my Zaurus and it is not going anywhere so as far as I am concerned , this contest was a success |
| 21:50:56 | Neo|Work | tux_mike: the SDL download? |
| 21:50:59 | warmi_away | heh |
| 21:51:15 | tux_mike | none that i see |
| 21:51:21 | Neo|Work | oh damn,doesn't seem like he added it |
| 21:51:25 | tux_mike | none in the CVS |
| 21:51:33 | tux_mike | can you email it to me? :) |
| 21:51:34 | Neo|Work | what's your email? |
| 21:51:47 | | you are probably Mike Crawford <mailto:mike@tuxnami.org> |
| 21:51:47 | tux_mike | ibot tux_mike |
| 21:52:19 | warmi_away | Neo|Work: isn't that C compiler cannot create exec .. caused by configure trying to execute small C code and cannot because it is ARM ? |
| 21:52:25 | warmi_away | I think that would be it |
| 21:52:27 | MS_away | does 2.4.18 require a patch for the USB networking? |
| 21:52:32 | tux_mike | will be grateful if at least one thing working this week :) |
| 21:52:38 | tux_mike | warmi: that's what i think it is too |
| 21:52:45 | warmi_away | and I know configure has some sort of switch to indicate that this is ccross compile |
| 21:52:46 | tux_mike | i just don't remember how to get around it |
| 21:52:58 | Neo|Work | sent |
| 21:52:58 | warmi_away | just run /configure --help |
| 21:53:03 | warmi_away | heh |
| 21:53:10 | Neo|Work | it figures out that it's cross compiling |
| 21:53:28 | Neo|Work | however you need to specify what all the binaries are called because otherwise it tries using x86 binaries |
| 21:53:56 | Wembly | ms_away: i do believe it does. |
| 21:53:59 | Neo|Work | NM=arm-linux-nm LD=arm-linux-ld CC=arm-linux-gcc CXX=arm-linux-g++ RANLIB=arm-linux-ranlib AR=arm-linux-ar ./configure --enable-video-qtopia --disable-video-dummy --di\ |
| 21:53:59 | Neo|Work | sable-video-fbcon --disable-video-dga --disable-arts --disable-esd --disable-alsa --disable-cdrom --disable-video-x11 --disable-nasm --prefix=/opt/Qtopia/sharp/ arm-unknown-l\ |
| 21:53:59 | Neo|Work | inux-gnu |
| 21:54:02 | Neo|Work | bah |
| 21:54:12 | Neo|Work | NM=arm-linux-nm LD=arm-linux-ld CC=arm-linux-gcc CXX=arm-linux-g++ RANLIB=arm-linux-ranlib AR=arm-linux-ar ./configure --enable-video-qtopia --disable-video-dummy --disable-video-fbcon --disable-video-dga --disable-arts --disable-esd --disable-alsa --disable-cdrom --disable-video-x11 --disable-nasm --prefix=/opt/Qtopia/sharp/ arm-unknown-linux-gnu |
| 21:54:14 | Neo|Work | like that |
| 21:55:57 | tux_mike | there, thanks :) |
| 21:58:48 | warmi_away | Neo|Work: are you into soccer ? you gonna watch World CUp ? |
| 21:59:55 | Wembly | herm. |
| 22:00:00 | Neo|Work | warmi_away: no and no. not much of a sports guy in any way |
| 22:00:22 | Wembly | setting up dhcp works SOO much better then setting up other stuffs on the zaurus |
| 22:00:26 | warmi_away | well, I figured you being from Europe would be interested in this event |
| 22:00:39 | Wembly | its just dunno howto set the server side of things apparntly :/ |
| 22:00:45 | ljp_mobile | whats soccer? |
| 22:00:46 | Wembly | with the interface constantly going up and down :/ |
| 22:00:54 | warmi_away | I am not much of a sport guy myself but World Cup was always almost like a holiday |
| 22:00:55 | warmi_away | heh |
| 22:01:39 | Neo|Work | warmi_away: I understand the assumption but I just don't care for sports |
| 22:01:49 | Neo|Work | especially not sports like soccer which I find immensly boring |
| 22:02:49 | warmi_away | huhu ... I get your point .. I feel the same about football and baseball not to mention cricket which my indian friends seems to watch day and night |
| 22:02:50 | warmi_away | heh |
| 22:03:31 | ljp_mobile | there's a cricket in my backyard |
| 22:03:51 | warmi_away | heh |
| 22:04:23 | ljp_mobile | but how do you get them to play? everythime I get near it.. it shuts up |
| 22:04:46 | ljp_mobile | I think I need a drink... |
| 22:05:02 | ljp_mobile | drink and fix opie bugs |
| 22:05:08 | warmi_away | frankly,, I think you don';t |
| 22:05:10 | warmi_away | heh |
| 22:05:15 | ljp_mobile | hehehe |
| 22:06:58 | ljp_mobile | hmmm I just remembered.. now I have dsl again.. I can go grab open office and check it out |
| 22:07:17 | mark | ljp_mobile: i grabbed it on a 56k :) |
| 22:07:30 | ljp_mobile | ouch |
| 22:08:13 | Neo|Work | open office 8 is still slow to start (man, it takes forever) but is kind of better for use |
| 22:08:25 | mark | Neo|Work: 8? :) |
| 22:08:41 | ljp_mobile | I dont use office software much.. I just like to check things out |
| 22:08:42 | Neo|Work | hurm, 6 |
| 22:09:02 | mark | OT: I want to install Windows 2000 (man GTA3 is fun) onto my second drive (primary master). In the installer is there an option which drive to put it on? (i'll create a vfat partition for it in parted) |
| 22:09:14 | Neo|Work | mark: I have the PS2 version of GTA3 |
| 22:09:22 | Neo|Work | heard that the PC version has performance issues |
| 22:09:30 | mark | Neo|Work: yeh, thats what I played yesterday. it rocks |
| 22:09:51 | mark | Neo|Work: really? hope not... :). I have a shitty Matrox G400 unfortunately |
| 22:10:10 | Neo|Work | I know winxp couldn't be installed (at least not only) on the slave on the first controlle) (hdb) |
| 22:10:18 | asys3 | mark: i heard you want to port knights ? |
| 22:10:39 | mark | asys3: yeh, its pretty much done, just trying to get internet play back up and multiengine/theme support |
| 22:10:43 | ljp_mobile | mark: yes I remember there is something like that.. win2k is kinder to the boot partition also |
| 22:10:46 | Neo|Work | Well, a friend has a fast athlon (like 1800xp or so) and GF2 (waiting for a GF4) and he can't really play more than 640x480 with consistent framerates |
| 22:10:57 | mark | that sucks |
| 22:10:58 | warmi_away | asys3: finally I got my problem solved with ZChess |
| 22:11:04 | warmi_away | it took me 3 days !! |
| 22:11:07 | mark | warmi_away: you got the engine specs for me ye t? |
| 22:11:13 | Neo|Work | but I haven't tried myself so I don't know |
| 22:11:25 | warmi_away | I will get them to you sometime this weekend |
| 22:11:35 | warmi_away | just a tar.gz file how it laysout .. |
| 22:11:38 | Neo|Work | feels quite pointless when I can play it on my 52" TV with a cordless controller. :P |
| 22:11:41 | warmi_away | I will get ipkgs later |
| 22:11:47 | asys3 | mark +warmi: cool. i'd be very happy to have the 1st chess prog on my z ! |
| 22:11:59 | warmi_away | I mean, tar.gz with exact layout how it looks on Z filesystem |
| 22:12:02 | ljp_mobile | the 1st non java chess you mean |
| 22:12:08 | mark | warmi_away: okay, cheers. |
| 22:12:20 | mark | ljp_mobile: if it even _touches_ my primary master's boot partition...... |
| 22:12:35 | Neo|Work | winxp zapped my lilo, but that was expected |
| 22:12:40 | ljp_mobile | its not like win9x |
| 22:12:45 | Neo|Work | when I installed Solaris 8 it was rather funny thouhgh |
| 22:12:57 | mark | ljp_mobile: i want it to completely ignore my first drive |
| 22:13:01 | tux_mike | lol... i identified a simpsons episode with only 6 words :) |
| 22:13:16 | Neo|Work | it installed it's own boot loaded but allowed me to select the linux partition, starting lilo (I believe) |
| 22:13:19 | asys3 | ljp_mobile: java chess - was no real chess. it plays one move to long - and doesn't recognize each chess - one of the worst chess trials... |
| 22:13:25 | warmi_away | assys: mark chess will have option to play on the internet which for some people may be the most importand feature |
| 22:13:29 | whardier | anybody have all the Enterprise series on the web somewhere? |
| 22:13:36 | warmi_away | I mostly concentrate on local game against machine |
| 22:13:51 | Neo|Work | whardier: download Direct Connect (search for dc_gui for Linux) |
| 22:13:59 | warmi_away | right now I have 4 engines and I will release first version with : gnuches, crafty, phalanx and faile |
| 22:14:15 | warmi_away | and later on follow with some more if I manage to compile them for the ARM atrch |
| 22:14:31 | asys3 | warmi_away: oh - these are the most popular chess engines, i think. |
| 22:14:41 | warmi_away | yeah.. frankly the strongest |
| 22:14:49 | warmi_away | but I will try to port as many as I can |
| 22:14:58 | tux_mike | neo: now that i have SDL made, you said that PRBOOM requires no modifications? |
| 22:15:00 | whardier | augh |
| 22:15:14 | warmi_away | each of have have different play style so it will make the whiole package more interesting |
| 22:15:23 | ljp_mobile | bbl |
| 22:15:29 | whardier | apt-get install dcgui |
| 22:15:30 | whardier | heh |
| 22:15:41 | warmi_away | (faile is not the strongest but I had it working at this stage so I will make it one of the default engines) |
| 22:16:00 | warmi_away | welcome back sniper |
| 22:16:47 | whardier | 2err |
| 22:16:50 | asys3 | warmi_away: on http://www.pl-berichte.de/spiele/schach-engines.html i read a (sorry: german) test about actual chess engines - they find these as the strongest: crafty, phalanx, amy and yace. |
| 22:16:51 | Sniper | thanks |
| 22:17:22 | Sniper | ok time to go and get dinner |
| 22:17:39 | warmi_away | oh yeah ... I was also looking into porting KnightCap |
| 22:17:41 | Sniper | later everybody |
| 22:17:49 | warmi_away | bye |
| 22:17:51 | Neo|Work | Sniper: heh. bouncing in and out I see. :P |
| 22:17:56 | whardier | I got dc |
| 22:17:58 | whardier | now what |
| 22:18:03 | warmi_away | some of these engines are not free or only available in binary for X84 |
| 22:18:04 | Sniper | yeah.. always gotta spy on the developers to see what mischief they're up to |
| 22:18:05 | warmi_away | x86 |
| 22:18:09 | warmi_away | it is not that easy |
| 22:18:13 | warmi_away | heh |
| 22:18:16 | asys3 | warmi_away: you can find links to the tested engines on that side. |
| 22:18:17 | Neo|Work | log on to some suitable hubs and search for enterprise.. |
| 22:18:44 | fusion94 | Sniper: that Neo|Work guy is always bad-mouthing sharp |
| 22:18:56 | warmi_away | hahahaha |
| 22:18:57 | Sniper | seriously?? |
| 22:18:57 | whardier | Neo.. haha.. this is worse that hotline |
| 22:19:02 | whardier | ise giFT |
| 22:19:03 | whardier | err |
| 22:19:05 | whardier | use giFT |
| 22:19:05 | warmi_away | asys3: thanks |
| 22:19:05 | Sniper | NEO: what's up?? |
| 22:19:10 | | somebody said neotron was http://david.hedbor.org or http://eongames.com/ or mailto:david@eongames.com or mailto:david@hedbor.org |
| 22:19:10 | Neo|Work | ibot neotron |
| 22:19:28 | whardier | I so do not speak spanish |
| 22:19:37 | Neo|Work | notes how fusion94 can not be trusted. :P |
| 22:19:41 | fusion94 | lol |
| 22:19:47 | | you are the wanker that wrote sourceforge |
| 22:19:47 | fusion94 | ibot: fusion94 ? |
| 22:19:47 | Sniper | fusion: im surprised after allt hat you'bve been through - you're not bad mouthing sharp :-) |
| 22:20:01 | fusion94 | who said i'm not :) |
| 22:20:02 | Sniper | fusion: did you read Red Herring last month on VA? |
| 22:20:05 | warmi_away | hehe |
| 22:20:16 | Sniper | and who says i'm not either.. and I work for Sharp.. jk |
| 22:20:21 | fusion94 | Sniper: no i missed it....got a url ? |
| 22:20:23 | mark | so, STILL no contest results |
| 22:20:34 | whardier | Neo|Work why is everybody French!!!! |
| 22:20:38 | warmi_away | mark: yeah , another metronom program won |
| 22:20:43 | Sniper | fusion: i read the physical magazine.. it had a whole article on VA and the history.. even mentioned SF |
| 22:20:46 | Neo|Work | mark: winners know how they are, put public announcments on monday supposedly |
| 22:20:53 | warmi_away | I told you should have stayed in the contest |
| 22:20:53 | mark | warmi_away: hehe |
| 22:20:57 | warmi_away | :-) |
| 22:20:57 | Neo|Work | so my estimation of "end of month" is only partly true |
| 22:21:13 | mark | Neo|Work: oh, wow. get the biggie? :) |
| 22:21:19 | fusion94 | Sniper: heh....i'll have to locate that issue then |
| 22:21:33 | Neo|Work | mark: nah, and I didn't expect anything either |
| 22:21:35 | fusion94 | and once again....i must reiterate.....never ever rm -rf /usr |
| 22:21:40 | mark | warmi_away: heheh |
| 22:21:50 | mark | Neo|Work: know who did? |
| 22:21:51 | warmi_away | mark: I didn't win anything either |
| 22:21:54 | Sniper | fusion: is Larry Augustin his name? |
| 22:22:12 | Sniper | fusion: i juse went to their site and tehy have the article online.. |
| 22:22:14 | Sniper | http://www.redherring.com/mag/issue113/2762.html |
| 22:22:14 | warmi_away | my bet is on the EU engine though |
| 22:22:28 | mark | warmi_away: so wonder who got the game cat |
| 22:22:28 | Neo|Work | wouldn't surprise me, but for us it's hard to judge |
| 22:22:30 | fusion94 | Sniper: yeah that lma, founder and ceo |
| 22:22:32 | Neo|Work | it's not available yet is it? |
| 22:22:49 | warmi_away | no, nothjing |
| 22:23:03 | warmi_away | their site hasn't been changed since April or so |
| 22:23:17 | whardier | blargh! |
| 22:23:27 | | rumour has it feed is a package repository or http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds or http://www.zauruszone.com/feed/ or http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/ for OpenZaurus |
| 22:23:27 | tux_mike | ibot feed |
| 22:23:36 | warmi_away | mark: yeah, I think it was either EU or Strategic Assaoult |
| 22:23:48 | warmi_away | or perhaps something we never heard of yet |
| 22:23:49 | Neo|Work | except that it seems like SA wasn't in there |
| 22:24:02 | Neo|Work | but we don't know |
| 22:24:21 | mark | warmi_away: whats eu? |
| 22:24:37 | Neo|Work | uengine is it not? i.e ue |
| 22:24:41 | warmi_away | Boulder Dash clone .. in fact like 5 BD like games rolled into one |
| 22:24:47 | warmi_away | yeah |
| 22:24:51 | warmi_away | uengine |
| 22:24:55 | Neo|Work | actually I think only one is boulder dash like |
| 22:25:02 | Neo|Work | it's a general tile based game engine I think |
| 22:25:05 | warmi_away | http://int13.net/ |
| 22:25:13 | warmi_away | yeah, |
| 22:25:26 | warmi_away | anyway time for my train |
| 22:25:29 | tux_mike | neo: where do you get the SDL_mixer files? |
| 22:25:36 | warmi_away | have a nice weekend folks |
| 22:25:37 | mark | c ya warmi_away |
| 22:25:55 | Neo|Work | tux_mike: just the normal SDL_mixer release - no special code |
| 22:26:27 | tux_mike | hrm... ok, but i need the headers, are they included with the SDL distro? |
| 22:27:04 | Neo|Work | just get the SDL_mixer tarball. :P |
| 22:27:20 | tux_mike | well, how am i supposed to know it's seperate :P |
| 22:28:10 | Neo|Work | because it's called SDL_mixer? :P |
| 22:28:19 | Neo|Work | like SDL_net, SDL_image etc. :-)) |
| 22:28:37 | tux_mike | i don't do that much with SDL :P |
| 22:28:51 | Wembly | is there a way to open up the flashrom provided by sharp to add/remove stuffs? |
| 22:29:11 | tux_mike | wembly: get openzaurus :) |
| 22:29:26 | Wembly | tux: but i dont want openzaurus :P hehe |
| 22:29:56 | Wembly | tux: is it possable to still have the hancom stuffs with openzaurus? |
| 22:30:00 | tux_mike | wem: there is instructions on how to do it, kinda, on sharps site somewhere |
| 22:30:03 | tux_mike | yah |
| 22:30:11 | Wembly | how? |
| 22:30:13 | tux_mike | i use hancom mobile word on my oz |
| 22:30:20 | tux_mike | did it come preinstalled on yours? |
| 22:30:44 | Wembly | yea |
| 22:30:50 | tux_mike | sl-5500? |
| 22:30:53 | Wembly | yep |
| 22:31:16 | tux_mike | hrm... then you'll have to find all the files... i have a 5000, and i have em in ipks |
| 22:31:26 | Wembly | *sigh* |
| 22:31:29 | Neo|Work | it's so weird when you drink something and expect it to be something else |
| 22:31:33 | mark | Wembly: i've got em |
| 22:31:34 | Wembly | whyfor cant they just let you register and download it? |
| 22:31:43 | mark | Wembly: query me |
| 22:31:47 | tux_mike | neo: what'd you drinK? |
| 22:32:25 | Neo|Work | talking rain (soda water0 expecting coke |
| 22:32:42 | tux_mike | *shudder* soda watter. |
| 22:35:16 | Wembly | what is the url for openzaurus? |
| 22:37:11 | asys3 | sourceforge.net/projects/openzaurus |
| 22:37:52 | Wembly | does it also work with the 5500? |
| 22:38:34 | asys3 | yes - look at the documentation |
| 22:39:04 | Wembly | there is no documentation? |
| 22:40:15 | asys3 | http://sourceforge.net/project/shownotes.php?group_id=43045&release_id=84286 |
| 22:40:29 | tux_mike | neo: with prboom, did you have problems with it wanting SDL_net? |
| 22:41:26 | Wembly | thanx |
| 22:43:10 | Neo|Work | tux_mike: no. ditto compilation there |
| 22:44:28 | whardier | grabs codemnky's monkey |
| 22:44:32 | whardier | ITS MINE NOW!!! |
| 22:44:35 | tux_mike | neo: hun? |
| 22:44:40 | whardier | runs about 2 inches |
| 22:44:42 | whardier | doh! |
| 22:44:45 | codemnky | damnit, don't hurt my money |
| 22:44:46 | codemnky | monkey |
| 22:44:51 | whardier | haha |
| 22:45:00 | Neo|Work | tux_mike: just an ordinary compile |
| 22:45:12 | codemnky | brb |
| 22:45:32 | tux_mike | neo: it dies on configure complaining about my sdl libraries missing... |
| 22:45:40 | tux_mike | well, the aux ones |
| 22:46:33 | tux_mike | i'm not sure if it's looking for a static SDL_mixer, though, i couldn't build that |
| 22:47:27 | whardier | gets owned by a kitty |
| 22:47:43 | whardier | tux_mike: whats ordinary around here? |
| 22:48:03 | tux_mike | definaltly not you |
| 22:48:18 | whardier | damn kitties |
| 22:49:17 | Neo|Work | tux_mike: what dies? |
| 22:49:30 | Neo|Work | and did you install them correctly and do you use the correct flags etc? |
| 22:49:59 | Wembly | whats wrong wif kittys? |
| 22:50:02 | tux_mike | well, sdl mixer is looking for pthread... i'm gonna try putting that on from my z |
| 22:50:52 | Wembly | someone should grab the quakeworld server and port it to the z :) |
| 22:50:59 | tux_mike | and prboom doesn't complete the configure |
| 22:51:39 | Neo|Work | tux_mike: why do you compile prboom btw? |
| 22:51:50 | Neo|Work | I am hacking on it to make it kind of playable too |
| 22:51:58 | tux_mike | oh, it isn't playable? |
| 22:52:00 | Neo|Work | and btw, your cross-compiler should have threads |
| 22:52:03 | Neo|Work | well, controls and such |
| 22:52:07 | tux_mike | i thought you said it was? |
| 22:52:09 | Neo|Work | basically, no |
| 22:52:13 | tux_mike | doh |
| 22:52:15 | tux_mike | :P |
| 22:52:20 | Neo|Work | it runs fine and everything but you can't control it well enough |
| 22:52:27 | Wembly | is it possable to have a nes emulator? |
| 22:52:32 | Wembly | i wanta play dragon warrior hehe |
| 22:52:43 | tux_mike | wembly: if you can find a good NES emulator for linux |
| 22:52:43 | Wembly | but gawd knows what happend to my nes deck :/ |
| 22:53:01 | Wembly | tux: does one not exist? |
| 22:53:10 | tux_mike | i havent found a good one |
| 22:53:12 | Wembly | herm. |
| 22:57:27 | whardier | my nephew calls his cat "lolo" |
| 22:57:31 | whardier | which in Hawaii'n is "Pothead" |
| 22:57:40 | NetAmp | hey guys, how's life :) |
| 22:58:14 | whardier | kicks NetAmp |
| 22:58:17 | whardier | fucking dandy.. |
| 22:58:25 | NetAmp | likes it and wants more |
| 22:58:50 | ljp | you guys are twisted |
| 22:58:58 | NetAmp | *muhaha* |
| 22:59:02 | Wembly | why would i wanta install these opie packages btw? |
| 22:59:17 | whardier | Wembly .. you are soo cuuute.. |
| 22:59:25 | NetAmp | thanx 4 the compliment, ljp ;) |
| 22:59:40 | Wembly | whardier: sorry i mean like the opie-clock or somesuch |
| 22:59:47 | Wembly | why would i want 2 clocks? |
| 22:59:48 | ljp | beware og opie apps! |
| 23:00:12 | ljp | because opie clock is also an alarm clock |
| 23:00:22 | whardier | oohlala! |
| 23:00:22 | NetAmp | sweeeet |
| 23:00:33 | NetAmp | can always use an extra alarm clock :P |
| 23:00:35 | ljp | and well, its just better |
| 23:00:49 | ljp | the one in cvs will work better tho |
| 23:01:15 | Wembly | ljp: but dosnt it conflict or something? |
| 23:01:36 | ljp | conflict? no |
| 23:02:30 | whardier | conflicts with Wembly |
| 23:03:46 | ljp | this weekend I am going to update the opie apps at handango |
| 23:06:23 | Wembly | i find it odd that the zaurus does not have zaurus in its keyboard pickboard database |
| 23:06:38 | NetAmp | ;) |
| 23:07:27 | ljp | opies does... |
| 23:07:29 | Wembly | how are the sales doing on the zaurus btw? |
| 23:07:32 | ljp | or will hehehe |
| 23:07:54 | Wembly | ljp: hehe if it dosnt exist now it'll have it shortly as i add it? ;) |
| 23:08:03 | | Slashdot - Updated 2002-05-31 22:10:31 | Copy That Floppy? Go To Jahannum (Hell) | Artificial Intelligence to Predict Sports Injuries | Valenti's "Boston Strangler" Testimony | KPNQwest Files for Bankruptcy |
| 23:08:03 | NetAmp | ibot: slashdot |
| 23:08:19 | NetAmp | ouch... KPNQwest as good as dead :( |
| 23:08:37 | Wembly | what was kpnqwest? |
| 23:08:45 | Wembly | like qwest networks? |
| 23:08:55 | NetAmp | "KPNQwest owns the most important fibre backbone in Europe. Apparently they are not planning on switching off their network, but without maintenance it will probably slowly degrade." |
| 23:09:04 | Wembly | ahh |
| 23:09:06 | NetAmp | (http://slashdot.org) |
| 23:09:07 | Wembly | ick |
| 23:09:09 | NetAmp | :S |
| 23:10:01 | Nadav | When do you think the prices for the 5500 will go down? |
| 23:10:15 | NetAmp | Nadav: nice question >:) |
| 23:10:25 | NetAmp | hah |
| 23:10:27 | Nadav | lol |
| 23:10:34 | Nadav | not an unexpected answer ;) |
| 23:10:39 | NetAmp | :D |
| 23:10:43 | Wembly | nadav: its already cheaper then some pocketpc devices. |
| 23:10:53 | Wembly | and roughtly about equal to them. |
| 23:11:30 | NetAmp | I hope it will start below EUR 700, 'cause that's the regular PckPC price over here in NL :( |
| 23:14:04 | NetAmp | ah what the heck |
| 23:14:14 | NetAmp | if I like it I'll probably get it anyway ;) |
| 23:15:31 | asys3 | cheapest price of 5500 is 600 |
| 23:15:38 | NetAmp | well I gotta wait 2 months anyway... |
| 23:15:40 | asys3 | euro in german |
| 23:15:45 | NetAmp | oh? |
| 23:15:55 | NetAmp | I thought 5500G was 699 |
| 23:17:34 | asys3 | right - that's sharp's official price - buy it at www.beeloy.de and it is that price |
| 23:17:47 | NetAmp | asys3: cool :) |
| 23:18:27 | NetAmp | 604,50 EUR |
| 23:18:27 | NetAmp | 1.182,30 DM |
| 23:19:22 | NetAmp | Casio Cassiopeia E200 looks sweet also, shame it's PocketPC 2K :S |
| 23:24:08 | NetAmp | wheeee I love my new MSI mainboard, it's nice 'n' stable now |
| 23:24:41 | NetAmp | Hmz.. |
| 23:24:52 | NetAmp | to edit boot options |
| 23:25:07 | NetAmp | you can just edit lilo.conf and reinstall LiLo, right? |
| 23:29:21 | | Will it improve my CASH FLOW? |
| 23:29:21 | NetAmp | ibot: yow |
| 23:30:15 | | NetAmp: what? |
| 23:30:15 | NetAmp | ibot: nah |
| 23:47:15 | ljp | well no one called me, so I guess I didnt win |
| 23:49:05 | Neo|Work | yeah |
| 23:49:48 | ljp | but hey.. I DID get a call from Apogee Electronics, and they're sending me a secret usb device to test.. :D |
| 23:50:17 | VerxHome | what does the secret device do? |
| 23:50:39 | Neo|Work | mind control device |
| 23:50:49 | VerxHome | awesome! |
| 23:50:57 | VerxHome | I didn't think that was coming out for a few years yet |
| 23:51:09 | VerxHome | and I had read it had to be firewire to sustain the dataflow |
| 23:51:18 | VerxHome | cool ljp, you will have to tell us how it works! :) |
| 23:51:25 | ljp | secret device is a usb mic preamp input.. that can do 24/96 |
| 23:51:27 | VerxHome | neo: Any progress on the SA blitter? |
| 23:51:38 | VerxHome | 24/96? |
| 23:51:50 | Wembly | ljp: wha? |
| 23:51:59 | ljp | 24 bit |
| 23:52:10 | ljp | like dvd type sound |
| 23:52:25 | VerxHome | but only as a microphone, right? |
| 23:52:41 | ljp | its like a preamp.. it has xlr inputs |
| 23:53:07 | VerxHome | xlr? |
| 23:53:12 | ljp | not sure what else |
| 23:53:14 | VerxHome | doesn't know what that is |
| 23:53:35 | ljp | xlr is mic inputs .. 3 pin |
| 23:54:10 | VerxHome | cool new app posted on killefiz.de |
| 23:54:14 | VerxHome | ZNetMeter |
| 23:54:23 | VerxHome | pitty the website that hosts the app doesn't exist |
| 23:54:43 | ljp | hehe it was there yesterday |
| 23:54:44 | VerxHome | woah |
| 23:54:47 | VerxHome | kismet qt |
| 23:54:49 | VerxHome | that's cool |
| 23:56:22 | Neo|Work | VerxHome: no. lazy week, lame me, fix later. :P |
| 23:56:28 | VerxHome | heheh |
| 23:56:29 | VerxHome | okies |
| 23:56:37 | Neo|Work | totally non-productive week basically |
| 23:56:45 | VerxHome | I was waiting to buy it until it worked |
| 23:56:50 | VerxHome | (the blitter I mean) |
| 23:57:12 | VerxHome | and also the exit routine |
| 23:57:20 | VerxHome | but I guess that might take a while |
