| 00:00:12 | Hellaenergy | you can do it whardier |
| 00:00:22 | Hellaenergy | now tell me how to get free wireless |
| 00:00:27 | whardier | I have to for the good of mankind |
| 00:00:33 | whardier | Hellaenergy buy a wireless card |
| 00:00:36 | whardier | get kismet working |
| 00:00:38 | whardier | find an ARP |
| 00:00:41 | whardier | become part of them |
| 00:00:48 | Hellaenergy | gotit |
| 00:01:04 | Hellaenergy | what do you live downtown or something? |
| 00:01:21 | whardier | not really |
| 00:01:29 | whardier | I have an old wireless account with my old place of work |
| 00:01:35 | whardier | its gonna go away soon I would suppose |
| 00:01:39 | whardier | its been up for about 3 months |
| 00:01:44 | whardier | not like they use their bandwith |
| 00:01:46 | whardier | dth |
| 00:02:44 | tux_mike | maybe we can just start one giant 802.11b network across the world :) |
| 00:03:08 | whardier | well |
| 00:03:10 | whardier | err |
| 00:03:19 | whardier | I am getting into makeing city wide ones |
| 00:03:29 | tux_mike | that'd be cool |
| 00:03:31 | whardier | I have to dinf a way not to piss off this malitiant wireless coop however |
| 00:03:37 | whardier | find even |
| 00:03:46 | whardier | man.. me write a book |
| 00:03:51 | Hellaenergy | Sun says it will stop free downloads of StarOffice 5.2 at midnight on Wednesday night |
| 00:03:53 | whardier | I am gonna need the A.I. of spellcheck |
| 00:03:54 | tux_mike | what malitant wireless coop? |
| 00:04:12 | whardier | these local yocals that tell everybody to use the smallest power settings and the smallest antennas |
| 00:04:21 | whardier | so that everybody prospers |
| 00:04:30 | nyargh | tux_mike: i think it's code |
| 00:04:42 | whardier | but they are pumping out 3watts off the side of a small mountain next to the city |
| 00:04:58 | whardier | and if you try to compete.. they get really fucking pissy |
| 00:05:03 | whardier | which is why I am not gonna do it for money |
| 00:05:10 | whardier | and I aplan to get an R&D grant for this |
| 00:05:25 | whardier | because I have found a few methods that could make a sysadmin cry with confusion |
| 00:05:42 | tux_mike | lol |
| 00:06:51 | nyargh | whatever |
| 00:06:57 | nyargh | does it matter if you have a differnt SSID? |
| 00:07:42 | Hellaenergy | http://kismet.org/ |
| 00:07:54 | Hellaenergy | who can tell me what that site is :) |
| 00:08:58 | tux_mike | i don't know what it is, but it's in japaneser |
| 00:09:02 | tux_mike | -r |
| 00:09:26 | Hellaenergy | whardier: where can I find kismet? |
| 00:10:09 | Hellaenergy | http://www.kismetwireless.net/ |
| 00:10:15 | Hellaenergy | nevermind :) |
| 00:10:56 | cedric | anyone buy the zaurus camera? and if so how is it? |
| 00:11:48 | Hellaenergy | Is kismet only for handhelds? |
| 00:12:29 | Hellaenergy | goes away |
| 00:18:03 | Neo|Work | is away: home |
| 00:18:53 | MSpin | anyone using a wireless card on the sharp rom? |
| 00:19:37 | cedric | MSpin: i wish :) |
| 00:20:01 | tux_mike | MSpin: yah, with the sd hack |
| 00:22:24 | MSpin | tux_mike: cool, would you mind testing kismet_qt for me? |
| 00:22:33 | [DrEvil] | I might switch back to the sharp rom |
| 00:22:51 | MSpin | actually, [DrEvil], could you try it again? |
| 00:23:02 | MSpin | http://www.mspin.net/~jjhuff/kismet_qt |
| 00:23:09 | [DrEvil] | on the OZ rom? |
| 00:23:15 | MSpin | yeah |
| 00:26:24 | tux_mike | MSpin: i'll test it for you :) |
| 00:26:57 | MSpin | tux_mike: thanx:) |
| 00:33:49 | whardier | hahaha |
| 00:33:51 | whardier | http://segfault.bogomip.com/work/Madman/ |
| 00:33:53 | whardier | this is getting fun |
| 00:34:00 | whardier | my editor is probably gonna kill most of this shit |
| 00:38:19 | ljp_hatesQWest | ya,.. vi tends me mess things up a bit |
| 00:40:25 | [DrEvil] | MSpin: it ran once and now it wont run again |
| 00:41:25 | [DrEvil] | it's running...but it doesn't show up |
| 00:42:21 | MSpin | what rom? |
| 00:42:26 | [DrEvil] | OZ |
| 00:42:52 | MSpin | whats it do when you try to run it? |
| 00:43:20 | [DrEvil] | it runs but no gui apears |
| 00:43:45 | MSpin | and it stays running> |
| 00:43:53 | [DrEvil] | yeah |
| 00:44:22 | [DrEvil] | there are some pcmcia process that are running |
| 00:44:32 | [DrEvil] | and ifuser |
| 00:44:43 | [DrEvil] | like it is stopping the interface |
| 00:45:38 | MSpin | ahh yeah |
| 00:45:55 | MSpin | kill some of those processes |
| 00:48:25 | Nasa | Hi, is kergoth here? |
| 00:51:37 | | kergoth was last seen on #zaurus 1 hours, 35 minutes and 59 seconds ago, saying: report the bugs on the tracker, and i'll debug em ;-) [Wed May 29 00:15:38 2002] |
| 00:51:37 | codemnky | ibot seen kergoth |
| 00:55:48 | MSpin | [DrEvil]: could you also try http://www.mspin.net/~jjhuff/wlanmon ?? |
| 00:59:45 | [DrEvil] | I'm not getting any info from itr |
| 01:02:01 | MSpin | from wlanmon? |
| 01:03:13 | [DrEvil] | yeah |
| 01:03:36 | MSpin | try running it from the command line |
| 01:04:09 | [DrEvil] | I did |
| 01:04:25 | [DrEvil] | wlancfg no such device |
| 01:05:09 | MSpin | still OZ? |
| 01:05:23 | [DrEvil] | yeah |
| 01:05:43 | MSpin | what does iwconfig show? |
| 01:06:34 | [DrEvil] | wlan0 with all the right info |
| 01:06:38 | MSpin | hrm |
| 01:06:50 | MSpin | your card should go fuck it self:) |
| 01:07:00 | [DrEvil] | heh |
| 01:07:02 | MSpin | anyways, I'm off to the hill for trivia |
| 01:07:08 | [DrEvil] | uh-huh |
| 01:07:27 | MSpin | might try rebooting then winning wlanmon |
| 01:07:50 | MSpin | err |
| 01:07:51 | MSpin | running |
| 01:07:55 | [DrEvil] | ok |
| 01:07:58 | [DrEvil] | now it is working |
| 01:12:39 | kergoth | re |
| 01:13:36 | [DrEvil] | re |
| 01:51:54 | kergoth | hmm |
| 01:52:29 | roge99 | hey kergoth how goes it |
| 01:53:37 | kergoth | not bad, you? |
| 01:53:49 | roge99 | not too bad |
| 01:59:44 | kergoth | http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/~wearable/software/docs/assabet-linux-report/ |
| 01:59:54 | kergoth | nifty |
| 02:01:26 | Guru | hello!!!! |
| 02:01:58 | kergoth | greetings. I'm fixing a number of bugs related to the wireless handling, and related to wlansetup tonight. |
| 02:01:58 | Guru | kergoth: I submitted a bug to the tracker |
| 02:01:58 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:02:01 | kergoth | good. |
| 02:03:02 | Guru | kergoth: any chance of getting my current install of OZ working? I have no way of installing a new version of OZ w/o the networking/syncing working. |
| 02:03:16 | Guru | =( |
| 02:04:27 | Guru | kergoth: i mean, is it something a user can fix by tweaking a config file somewhere? |
| 02:04:31 | kergoth | Guru: not sure whats causing the problem for you. do this... cardctl eject.. then syslogd, klogd.. then cardctl insert, and email me your /var/log/messages. |
| 02:04:49 | kergoth | Guru: then manually run /etc/pcmcia/network start wlan0 debug >log 2>&1 and email me 'log' |
| 02:06:31 | fatbum | hey all |
| 02:06:39 | kergoth | hey |
| 02:07:51 | Guru | kergoth: when I setup WEP in the wireless lan setup tool, I enter the WEP key in HEX, right? (ie: E3 6F AC 23 7F) |
| 02:07:55 | Guru | with the spaces? |
| 02:08:01 | kergoth | nope |
| 02:08:04 | kergoth | that'd be your problem |
| 02:08:07 | fatbum | gotta restart |
| 02:08:11 | kergoth | I'm adding input format checking tonight |
| 02:08:13 | fatbum | see if this works...crossign fingers |
| 02:08:21 | kergoth | its XXXX-XXXX-XX for 40 bit |
| 02:08:25 | fatbum | see ya in a sec hopefully |
| 02:08:27 | fatbum | .quit |
| 02:08:35 | Guru | kergoth: with the dashes? |
| 02:08:37 | kergoth | yep |
| 02:08:52 | Guru | thats probably whats wrong.. lemme try |
| 02:09:03 | kergoth | also, remove CHANNEL= in wireless.opts, and you're right, change SSID to ESSID in wireless.opts.. then it should work |
| 02:09:19 | kergoth | CHANNEL shouldnt be necessary for a Managed mode connection, only for adhoc and Master |
| 02:09:20 | kergoth | brb |
| 02:10:07 | fatbum | hell yea |
| 02:10:09 | fatbum | linux rules |
| 02:10:19 | fatbum | leaps into the air |
| 02:10:22 | Guru | kergoth: does it matter if the key is in CAPS or not? |
| 02:10:23 | kergoth | heheh |
| 02:10:25 | fatbum | ow fuckin keyboard in my eye |
| 02:10:28 | fatbum | bleeds |
| 02:10:30 | kergoth | Guru: nope, not case sensitive |
| 02:10:39 | fatbum | aaaah it hurts |
| 02:10:50 | fatbum | now if only sound worked up in this biotch |
| 02:11:07 | fatbum | i remember getting sound to work in redhat like 4 |
| 02:11:08 | fatbum | hehe |
| 02:12:31 | fatbum | oh well |
| 02:12:33 | fatbum | bbiab |
| 02:15:01 | fatbum | oh shit |
| 02:17:18 | Guru | kergoth: it works!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 02:17:36 | Guru | kergoth: thanks a million!!! I really appreciate your help! |
| 02:17:53 | kergoth | Guru: anytime. I'll be fixing up the gui tonight to make this easier in the future. |
| 02:18:16 | Guru | kergoth: I dont have a usb cradle at home, so I cannot test the syncing; however, the networking works now. What got me was in the Sharp Rom, I did not have to put in the "-"'s |
| 02:18:19 | Guru | dashes |
| 02:18:39 | CloudChaser | hmm i can't seem to stay connected to this channel..hard to lurk if you're discon |
| 02:20:15 | kergoth | Guru: I know. |
| 02:20:24 | kergoth | Guru: it provides input format checking, which as I said I'm adding tonight :-) |
| 02:22:52 | Guru | cool! |
| 02:24:45 | ljp | anybody see this: http://www.trowcom.co.uk/Z-Batt.htm |
| 02:26:14 | ljp | cept there is no backlight |
| 02:26:18 | CloudChaser | ack! figures i get the wireless cf with the least battery time |
| 02:26:43 | kergoth | heh, somehow i suspect they meant the frontlight |
| 02:26:59 | Guru | kergoth: one more thing, on the package manager, i added the zz and oz3 feeds; however, they dont seem to show up even after it appears it updated correctly. have you encountered this before? |
| 02:27:04 | kergoth | good information though |
| 02:27:19 | kergoth | Guru: dont run 'update' from within oipkg. run ipkg update from the prompt, then run oipkg to install |
| 02:28:35 | Guru | kergoth: argh. noticed that when OZ goes to sleep, if I hit the on button to wake it up, I lose my network.. have to reboot |
| 02:29:00 | kergoth | Guru: I think thats a bug in the prism2 driver. install the latest kernel-modules from the oz3 feed. |
| 02:29:02 | | well, feed is a package repository or http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds or http://www.zauruszone.com/feed/ or http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/ for OpenZaurus |
| 02:29:02 | kergoth | ibot: feed? |
| 02:29:02 | ljp | ya... everybody calls the frontlight a backlight.. when I first heard 'backligt' I got confused until I realized it was them that was confised. ;) |
| 02:29:10 | kergoth | hehe |
| 02:29:43 | ljp | it was be really cool of the keyboard buttons had a backlight |
| 02:30:00 | ljp | s/of/if |
| 02:30:00 | kergoth | I was bored so i downloaded 2.5.15-rmk1 .. i saw a posting recommending to the ipaq guys to put their stuff in 2.5 and then backport.. so i'm following suit |
| 02:30:06 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:30:11 | kergoth | ljp: yeah thatd be nifty |
| 02:30:47 | kergoth | ljp: so is your dsl up? |
| 02:31:29 | ljp | no |
| 02:31:38 | kergoth | that sucks |
| 02:32:04 | kergoth | heheh |
| 02:32:37 | ljp_hatesQWest | but I did notice the big orange letters on the road 'QWest fiber' where I presume they will be digging. not 10 from my house |
| 02:32:55 | ljp_hatesQWest | 10 feet that is |
| 02:34:32 | ljp_hatesQWest | 10 feet from a fiber and they can't even hook me back up on time when they told me they would.. puh |
| 02:35:11 | Guru | I think i got everything working now!! hehe, gotta remember to keep touching the screen to prevent shutdown until I get all the new software installed. =) |
| 02:35:59 | ljp_hatesQWest | there's an app the disables suspend.. you could even do it from a commandline |
| 02:36:53 | whardier | la |
| 02:37:22 | kergoth | man, ive got 6 kernel trees sitting here |
| 02:37:24 | kergoth | sheesh |
| 02:37:26 | kergoth | re whardier |
| 02:40:55 | ljp_hatesQWest | 6 not including the one for the machine? |
| 02:41:48 | ljp_hatesQWest | I'm down to three |
| 02:42:08 | kergoth | well, ive got the stock 2.4.6 embedix kernel, the ipaq kernel as I'll be merging in some of their improvements, and their APM code.. then ive got 2.5.15, 2.5.18, and 2.4.18-rmk6 .. and then a second 2.4.18 tree which is prior to import to cvs |
| 02:43:11 | Guru | kergoth: we gonna see 2.4.18 in the next OZ? |
| 02:43:13 | kergoth | wow, i like 2.5.x |
| 02:43:24 | kergoth | screw 2.4.18, I'm adding it to this and then backporting later |
| 02:43:25 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:43:47 | Guru | hehe |
| 02:43:50 | kergoth | Guru: I'll most likely have a new kernel for the final nonbeta release. |
| 02:44:07 | Guru | kergoth: should I install opie-base, oz-base, and qpe-base? |
| 02:44:10 | kergoth | Guru: I only see a few minor changes, and one or two major feature adds left before release, really |
| 02:44:24 | kergoth | Guru: oz-base is already installed. you dont want qpe-base, period. opie-base is already installed as well |
| 02:46:25 | Guru | kergoth: when I try and install konq/e, it complains about qpe-base >= 1.5 |
| 02:46:25 | fatbum | hola |
| 02:46:37 | kergoth | Guru: yep. -force-depends. |
| 02:47:05 | Guru | kergoth: got it! =) |
| 02:48:05 | kergoth | I'll fix the konq/e package in the feed. |
| 02:48:13 | kergoth | but we need a long term fix for that |
| 02:49:03 | fatbum | konq is huge |
| 02:49:37 | Guru | fatbum: yah, no kidding, I ran outta space! =( |
| 02:49:43 | fatbum | yep |
| 02:49:48 | fatbum | me 2 |
| 02:57:39 | Guru | kergoth: the jffs filesystem on OZ, is that meant to be a temporary drive? |
| 02:59:04 | Wembly | sorry to sound icky here. |
| 02:59:15 | Wembly | but is there a way to dump winCE/pocketPC onto the device? |
| 02:59:46 | kergoth | Guru: jffs2 is your rootfs, Flash. |
| 03:00:13 | roge99 | Wembly why not just smash it with a brick |
| 03:00:47 | Wembly | roge99: cus :) |
| 03:00:57 | Wembly | i like whats on it now |
| 03:01:13 | Wembly | im just wondering if i can put winCE on it to play wif. |
| 03:01:23 | kergoth | Wembly: doubtful. call MS. |
| 03:01:24 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:01:27 | Guru | kergoth: ahh! that clears it up! |
| 03:01:33 | Wembly | haha no |
| 03:02:38 | fatbum | a little help with debian? or should i ask #debian? |
| 03:02:46 | Wembly | fatbum: what ya need? |
| 03:02:56 | fatbum | im configuring x |
| 03:03:01 | Wembly | nm hehe |
| 03:03:04 | Wembly | go ask in #debian ;) |
| 03:03:07 | Wembly | i dont touch X :_) |
| 03:03:09 | Wembly | err :) |
| 03:03:13 | fatbum | ok |
| 03:03:16 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 03:03:28 | Wembly | i dont touch X cus i just dont need to :) |
| 03:03:33 | Wembly | and dont have that much expiernce with it :) |
| 03:07:04 | kergoth | fatbum: what you need help with? |
| 03:10:35 | kergoth` | hunger: did you check out ftp://ftp.arm.linux.org.uk/pub/armlinux/toolchain/ at all in doing the toolchain build? |
| 03:11:20 | whardier | if my book hits orielly |
| 03:11:22 | whardier | I am gonna have picachu as my animal |
| 03:11:46 | Wembly | whardier: how so? |
| 03:11:52 | Wembly | whardier: i mean what book for that matter |
| 03:12:00 | Wembly | and also how can you have picachu as your animal? |
| 03:12:06 | Wembly | isnt it copyright by whatever? |
| 03:12:09 | Wembly | nentendo? |
| 03:12:21 | Wembly | just like you cant have mickey mouse as your animal. |
| 03:12:25 | whardier | hmm |
| 03:12:40 | whardier | I will find one in the wild then.. and use its likeness |
| 03:12:52 | Wembly | *laugh* |
| 03:12:56 | Wembly | i say vulpix is better :P |
| 03:12:56 | kergoth` | Wembly: this is whardier. take what he says with a grain of salt. :-P |
| 03:13:08 | whardier | :P |
| 03:13:15 | whardier | and a dash of pepper |
| 03:13:16 | Wembly | how about a bag? hehe |
| 03:13:50 | whardier | http://segfault.bogomip.com/work/Madman/a/madman.pdf there is the start to my book |
| 03:13:56 | Wembly | umm. |
| 03:13:58 | whardier | no editing has been conceived |
| 03:13:59 | Wembly | i cant view pdf files |
| 03:14:02 | whardier | err |
| 03:14:02 | whardier | ok |
| 03:14:04 | Wembly | what is it about? |
| 03:14:04 | whardier | hold on |
| 03:14:05 | whardier | haha |
| 03:14:32 | whardier | http://segfault.bogomip.com/work/Madman/index.html |
| 03:14:34 | whardier | there |
| 03:14:45 | whardier | err |
| 03:14:46 | whardier | damnit |
| 03:14:48 | whardier | not there! |
| 03:15:02 | whardier | http://segfault.bogomip.com/work/Madman/a/index.html |
| 03:15:03 | whardier | THERE! |
| 03:15:28 | whardier | sorry to say.. but there has got to be something better than docbook |
| 03:15:46 | Wembly | kitties!!! |
| 03:15:55 | Wembly | i like it ;) |
| 03:15:55 | whardier | hehe |
| 03:15:58 | Wembly | tho i dont like the topic |
| 03:16:01 | Wembly | id buy the book :) |
| 03:16:09 | whardier | the topic! |
| 03:16:10 | Wembly | why you ask? cus its dedicated to kittys ;) |
| 03:16:14 | whardier | thats what makes it tick! |
| 03:16:21 | whardier | read chapter 2 |
| 03:16:24 | Wembly | wtf is the topic? |
| 03:16:29 | whardier | and chapter 1 for that matter |
| 03:16:55 | kergoth` | I like docbook |
| 03:16:58 | kergoth` | takes getting used to though |
| 03:17:25 | whardier | heh |
| 03:17:28 | whardier | that it does |
| 03:20:34 | warmi | re |
| 03:21:13 | kergoth | hey warmi |
| 03:21:59 | warmi | heh kergoth: I can't figure out this segfaulting of my app .. I send out email to qt-interest for help , I mean this is some seriously weird shit |
| 03:22:00 | warmi | hehe |
| 03:22:13 | kergoth | indeed |
| 03:23:03 | warmi | for now I am just gonna skip QStringList ( which causes this problem) and do stuff by hand |
| 03:23:32 | warmi | good old whil() loop will have to do instead of fancy QStringList::split() |
| 03:23:33 | warmi | hehe |
| 03:23:57 | kergoth | its caused by QStringList? wtf? |
| 03:24:11 | kergoth | eh |
| 03:24:19 | warmi | yeah, funny thing is I don't even use the class that has this code QStringList list; |
| 03:24:23 | Wembly | is there a 1984 type game out yet? |
| 03:24:27 | warmi | just including that class in compilation causes segfault |
| 03:24:29 | warmi | heeheh |
| 03:24:48 | warmi | Wembly: you mean like scrolling shooter ? |
| 03:24:49 | kergoth | weird. |
| 03:25:03 | Wembly | warmi: yea kinda sorta |
| 03:25:10 | warmi | oh ... no , sorry the scrolling thing I meant was 1942 .. |
| 03:25:11 | Wembly | top scrolling kinda like yea :) |
| 03:25:13 | warmi | way off |
| 03:25:14 | warmi | hehe |
| 03:25:19 | Wembly | err yea |
| 03:25:20 | Wembly | 1942 |
| 03:25:21 | Wembly | hehe |
| 03:25:25 | Wembly | sorry im getting mixed up |
| 03:25:28 | Wembly | the plane with the shooting |
| 03:25:30 | Wembly | and the ships |
| 03:25:32 | Wembly | and the blowing things up |
| 03:25:36 | warmi | yeah, that's 1942 |
| 03:25:37 | Wembly | and the things shooting back at you |
| 03:25:46 | warmi | I don't think there is |
| 03:25:48 | kergoth | that reminds me of raptor by apogee |
| 03:25:50 | warmi | not at this point |
| 03:25:55 | Wembly | kergoth: it is |
| 03:26:00 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:26:05 | warmi | but we have SDL lib ported so sonner or later somebody will create one like that |
| 03:26:11 | Wembly | hehehe |
| 03:26:17 | Wembly | hopefully if i deside to it'll be me |
| 03:26:18 | warmi | oh yeah... I used to play Raptor like crazy |
| 03:26:28 | kergoth | me too |
| 03:26:29 | warmi | it was a beatifull game |
| 03:26:31 | kergoth | whardier: nice book. heh. |
| 03:26:48 | Wembly | itd be coolie if somehow you could linkup and play with someone else too hehe |
| 03:27:08 | kergoth | woah when did kernelnewbies.org get a wiki |
| 03:27:11 | kergoth | oh its broken |
| 03:27:11 | Wembly | i just dunno what the system is capable of. |
| 03:27:13 | kergoth | grr |
| 03:27:45 | warmi | well, I have 4 Qtopia projects (sic..) which I am working on right now so I don't really have time for writing another game |
| 03:27:46 | warmi | heh |
| 03:28:10 | warmi | Wembly: one of these projects is ZSurface class for fast blitting using ARM asm |
| 03:28:21 | Wembly | mmm |
| 03:28:22 | warmi | so I will tell you soon enough how fast we can go on the Z |
| 03:28:25 | Wembly | asm ehehe |
| 03:28:28 | Wembly | gawd asm is soo coolie :) |
| 03:28:44 | Wembly | tho i only know intel asm :) |
| 03:28:48 | whardier | wiki wiki |
| 03:28:49 | whardier | waa waaa |
| 03:28:49 | warmi | yeah, specially for that purpose I bought ARM Architecture Reference Manual |
| 03:28:50 | Wembly | err x86 asm |
| 03:28:50 | warmi | hehe |
| 03:28:55 | kergoth | woot!! |
| 03:28:59 | Wembly | warmi: lucky :P |
| 03:29:02 | kergoth | the script i was looking for.. i found it |
| 03:29:08 | Wembly | btw |
| 03:29:13 | kergoth | to split apart a diff into component diffs.. it was sitting on fucking kenrelnewbies.org |
| 03:29:14 | kergoth | sheesh |
| 03:29:14 | warmi | Wembly: lucky ? hehe .. you can buy it too |
| 03:29:21 | Wembly | why is it to use the inet via usb you have to add in default route? |
| 03:29:23 | kergoth | downloads all the kernelnewbies scripts |
| 03:29:26 | Wembly | is there anyway to get around it? |
| 03:29:32 | Wembly | warmi: thats assumeing i have the money :P |
| 03:29:46 | Wembly | urg... |
| 03:29:51 | Wembly | sooo stuck with coolie projects. |
| 03:29:58 | kergoth | i cant believe it was sitting on kernelnewbies all this time.. ugh |
| 03:30:01 | whardier | was at the CSU library today |
| 03:30:04 | kergoth | smacks forehead |
| 03:30:04 | whardier | you know how long its been since I have seen a college chick? |
| 03:30:09 | kergoth | hah |
| 03:30:10 | whardier | I almost jumped out of my asshole |
| 03:30:16 | Wembly | has anyone writtin a terminal to set the width of the terminal and just scroll? |
| 03:30:16 | kergoth | thatd be a neat trick |
| 03:30:17 | warmi | hah ... |
| 03:30:29 | warmi | that's should be a warning sign I guess |
| 03:30:32 | Wembly | so you can set it to 80 lines and scroll back and forth? |
| 03:31:03 | Wembly | btw |
| 03:31:20 | Wembly | and whats this thing about rotating the display 90 degrees? |
| 03:32:06 | warmi | yeah, it is rotated |
| 03:32:21 | warmi | at least framebuffer memory is set up as if it was 320x 200 screen |
| 03:32:26 | Wembly | how? |
| 03:32:31 | Wembly | err |
| 03:32:33 | Wembly | *is lost* |
| 03:32:43 | kergoth | heeh. i should really fuck with you all and rotate the framebuffer in 2.4.18 |
| 03:32:45 | warmi | well, it is 320x200 screen turned on its side |
| 03:32:51 | Wembly | ahh |
| 03:33:11 | warmi | basically 0,0 is the bottom left corner |
| 03:33:19 | warmi | 320,0 is the upper left corner |
| 03:33:20 | warmi | etc |
| 03:33:27 | Wembly | wtf. |
| 03:33:27 | Wembly | hehe |
| 03:33:30 | Wembly | you cant have coordinates |
| 03:33:43 | Wembly | sorry hehe |
| 03:33:45 | whardier | kergoth rotate it 45 degrees |
| 03:33:52 | Wembly | i think of frame buffers as linear things |
| 03:33:55 | whardier | wants to add rotozoomer support to the kernel |
| 03:34:04 | whardier | hold down some keys |
| 03:34:04 | warmi | I mean if you are dealing with QTopia you don't have to worry about it because you are dealing with standard 0,0, upper left corner |
| 03:34:07 | whardier | rotate and zoom |
| 03:34:08 | whardier | ! |
| 03:34:09 | whardier | haha |
| 03:34:10 | kergoth | whardier: no, i was thinking have it rotate 15 degrees every random amount of time just to fuck with you |
| 03:34:12 | kergoth | whardier: :-P |
| 03:34:13 | whardier | that would be disgusting |
| 03:34:18 | warmi | it only comes into play if you are trying to access framebuffer directly |
| 03:34:52 | Wembly | err yea sorry hehe |
| 03:34:53 | Wembly | herm. |
| 03:34:58 | Wembly | *ponders* |
| 03:34:58 | kergoth | lsdiff is nice |
| 03:34:59 | Wembly | mmmmm |
| 03:35:02 | Wembly | demos come to life :) |
| 03:35:19 | Wembly | i wonder what kinda demos you could run on it hehe |
| 03:35:19 | whardier | I need a ghost writer |
| 03:35:23 | kergoth | kergoth@clarson2:~$ lsdiff linux-2.4.6-rmk1-np2-embedix-20011228-sl5000d-20020318 |
| 03:35:24 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:35:25 | whardier | somebody who can spell |
| 03:35:36 | Wembly | kar: whats wif you and kernels btw? |
| 03:35:36 | warmi | this makes it harder to blit because you are blowing cpu chache all the time unless your image is prerotated to match the framebuffer |
| 03:35:48 | Wembly | err kergoth: sorry hehe |
| 03:36:14 | kergoth | Wembly: just my latest projects are kernel space. when I'm done here i'll probably do some more qtopia programming |
| 03:36:15 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:36:23 | kergoth | Wembly: i like to mix things up a bit |
| 03:36:35 | whardier | is making a uml wireless switch |
| 03:36:36 | whardier | heh |
| 03:36:52 | kergoth | ooo filterdiff is nifty |
| 03:36:53 | Wembly | has no clue what anyone in this channel does hehe |
| 03:37:09 | warmi | hehe .. indeed , that's a wide range of interests |
| 03:37:13 | whardier | Wembly .. well we don't name ouir kids after chickens.. thats for damn sure. |
| 03:37:28 | whardier | other than that.. most everything goes around here |
| 03:37:40 | Wembly | no i mean.. |
| 03:37:41 | Wembly | hehe |
| 03:37:43 | Wembly | what people do :) |
| 03:37:49 | Wembly | i dunno what they do as far as projects |
| 03:38:01 | whardier | chickens don't have lips.. thats why I would never name my kid after a chicken. |
| 03:38:21 | whardier | assumes the role of the channel idiot |
| 03:38:32 | warmi | Wembly: most people do Qtopia stuff .. some like kergoth diversify into kernel space |
| 03:38:33 | warmi | hehe |
| 03:38:37 | whardier | I do things.. then get called insane.. then try to document it.. then go insane.. |
| 03:38:59 | warmi | some people just enjoy their life .. whardier comes to mind |
| 03:39:00 | warmi | hehe |
| 03:39:05 | whardier | heh |
| 03:39:08 | whardier | I like shit. |
| 03:39:17 | kergoth | Wembly: I do the openzaurus project, which is primarily distribution stuff.. more builds and scripting than coding. then do some kernel and qtopia as a part of it. |
| 03:39:18 | Wembly | im still trying to figure out how everything works together. |
| 03:39:39 | whardier | Wembly .. did you know chickens can whistle without lips! |
| 03:39:43 | Wembly | and what all there is source for and what there isnt. |
| 03:39:47 | Wembly | and the filesystem and so on |
| 03:39:54 | Wembly | ideally a nice reference would be great for the thing. |
| 03:40:07 | Wembly | the structure of the filesystem and how things work. |
| 03:40:13 | Wembly | how the init scripts work and so on ehhe |
| 03:40:20 | whardier | wow |
| 03:40:27 | whardier | narrow it down or I will give you the idiot hat. |
| 03:40:27 | Wembly | i think ill probly mount the filesystem somehow. |
| 03:40:34 | Wembly | whardier: no :) |
| 03:40:36 | whardier | :P |
| 03:40:41 | Wembly | narrowing it down is impossable :) |
| 03:40:46 | whardier | not realllly |
| 03:40:55 | kergoth | whardier: trying to pass on the idiot hat so you dont have to keep it anymore eh? |
| 03:41:04 | warmi | hgeh |
| 03:41:08 | Wembly | its like saying i want to know how the finger works. without knowing how the body nervuous system and everything else works to allow for the finger to work. |
| 03:41:10 | whardier | yeah |
| 03:41:31 | Wembly | whats up with all this tkc stuffs? |
| 03:41:35 | Wembly | or whatever its called. |
| 03:41:36 | whardier | heads off to bond three sat connectinos together.. again.. virtually.. damnit.. I need hardware.. |
| 03:41:47 | whardier | wants his bitsy's |
| 03:41:59 | whardier | thinks Wembly is a spy.. |
| 03:42:05 | Wembly | whardier: for what? |
| 03:42:09 | Wembly | perhaps for my self :) |
| 03:42:14 | whardier | quick everybody talk in code! |
| 03:42:26 | Wembly | printf("how are you"); ? |
| 03:42:29 | whardier | hehehe |
| 03:42:38 | whardier | is speaking out of context. |
| 03:42:41 | whardier | :) |
| 03:42:43 | Wembly | i could obfocuate it if youd like? hhe |
| 03:42:45 | warmi | Wembly: what you mean with tkc ? |
| 03:42:52 | Wembly | warmi: tkcthis tkcthat |
| 03:43:02 | warmi | well, I guess they like KDE a lot |
| 03:43:20 | warmi | I mean , they must have picked it from KDE folks |
| 03:43:25 | whardier | Tkc died with 2PAC |
| 03:43:25 | warmi | Kthis kthat |
| 03:44:09 | whardier | this.. hat.. won't.. come.. off..! |
| 03:44:21 | whardier | assumes the position. |
| 03:44:51 | Wembly | warmi: i mean like tkcjabber and tkcclock or whatever. |
| 03:44:53 | Wembly | i dunno |
| 03:44:58 | Wembly | there is a buncha tkc stuffs |
| 03:45:04 | Wembly | i dunno wtf it is. |
| 03:45:14 | warmi | this is a company called well, The Kompany |
| 03:45:24 | warmi | and they like to name everything tkc I gues |
| 03:45:27 | CloudChaser | hiya |
| 03:45:40 | warmi | hi CloudChaser |
| 03:45:53 | CloudChaser | can i use any opie stuff? |
| 03:46:02 | warmi | frankly, you shoudl ask BigBoss since he runs that place |
| 03:46:17 | | BigBoss is probably the president of TheKompany |
| 03:46:17 | warmi | ibot BigBoss |
| 03:46:35 | Wembly | umm ok |
| 03:46:48 | kergoth | CloudChaser: use the opie packages on myzaurus.com |
| 03:46:50 | Wembly | where can download tkc stuffs? |
| 03:47:10 | warmi | huh .. I don't think you can download tkc stuff :-) |
| 03:47:12 | Wembly | err where can i download tkc stuffs? |
| 03:47:19 | Wembly | warmi: whyfor not? |
| 03:47:20 | warmi | I mean, not unless you shell out $$ |
| 03:47:25 | Wembly | ick :/ |
| 03:47:30 | CloudChaser | ok well i found one on killefiz that links to a compai feed |
| 03:47:35 | CloudChaser | er compaq feed |
| 03:47:37 | CloudChaser | a game |
| 03:47:59 | warmi | CloudChaser: this stuff , opie, sometimes will overwrite your original Sharp apps |
| 03:48:08 | kergoth | yep |
| 03:48:11 | CloudChaser | oh |
| 03:48:19 | warmi | and when you uninstall you will have to restore some links etc to get it back |
| 03:48:20 | kergoth | the packages on myzaurus should restore the symlinks to put things back to normal when you uninstall |
| 03:48:37 | warmi | not like it will be gone forever but it won't be as easy as uninstalling it |
| 03:48:38 | CloudChaser | what packages? |
| 03:49:01 | CloudChaser | ok maybe i ought to stay away from opie stuff |
| 03:49:04 | warmi | I am not sure .. I just saw some people posting on zauruszone about this problem |
| 03:49:04 | Wembly | kergoth: how would that work with installing them on cf and sd cards? |
| 03:49:14 | CloudChaser | i just want a game or two |
| 03:49:19 | CloudChaser | to play on the train |
| 03:49:28 | Wembly | someone should make a overlayed filesystem for the whole thing :/ |
| 03:49:30 | warmi | well, I don't think games will do any harm |
| 03:49:35 | kergoth | Wembly: hmm? |
| 03:49:39 | Wembly | so all changes to the orignal file system get writtin to the ram. |
| 03:49:50 | Wembly | or somesuch i dunno hehe |
| 03:49:54 | kergoth | Wembly: why not use openzaurus, which has a writable root filesystem. |
| 03:49:54 | warmi | I was talking more about standard apps like media player etc |
| 03:50:01 | Wembly | ker: howso? |
| 03:50:08 | CloudChaser | ah this is all so confusing |
| 03:50:13 | kergoth | Wembly: hmmm? |
| 03:50:21 | Wembly | how does it amanage a writable root filesystem? |
| 03:50:28 | CloudChaser | i lurk here all the time.. and half the time i have no idea what ya'll are talking about |
| 03:50:29 | Wembly | and why would you need/want a writable root filesystem to begin with? |
| 03:50:32 | kergoth | Wembly: uses a different mtd driver and partitioning scheme |
| 03:50:34 | warmi | yeah, Opie stuff is meant to replace Qtopia apps .. at least some of it |
| 03:50:53 | kergoth | Wembly: because you can then uninstall shit you dont want from the rootfs and replace it with stuff you do want. |
| 03:51:01 | warmi | but I am sure you can install some games since you don't have them on your system, there is no danger of anything being overwritten |
| 03:51:01 | Wembly | ahh |
| 03:51:09 | CloudChaser | ok gotcha |
| 03:51:11 | Wembly | thats why you should just have an overlay filesystem :) |
| 03:51:16 | CloudChaser | gives it a try |
| 03:51:20 | Wembly | so then you dont need to uninstall anything ehhehe :) |
| 03:51:31 | kergoth | Wembly: ugh. no comment. :-P |
| 03:51:40 | Wembly | kergoth: sorry im being problematic hehe :) |
| 03:51:42 | warmi | yeah, that's a spirit |
| 03:51:43 | warmi | heh |
| 03:51:58 | Wembly | kergoth: im just playin anyhow :) |
| 03:52:19 | Wembly | has anyone considered rewriting kernel functions in asm to increase performance? |
| 03:52:26 | warmi | heh |
| 03:52:28 | CloudChaser | one other thing.. if you don't mind... |
| 03:52:33 | warmi | that would be something |
| 03:52:46 | CloudChaser | i tried to download using the feed on zaurus zone |
| 03:52:58 | kergoth | Wembly: some kernel aspects do use inline asm. most drivers dont as it breaks portablity |
| 03:53:27 | warmi | Cloud : and ? having problems ? |
| 03:53:29 | CloudChaser | but got a little stuck...only option was to "update" which didn't download the package i wanted |
| 03:53:31 | Wembly | kergoth: well duh. |
| 03:53:36 | warmi | hold on |
| 03:53:42 | kergoth | heheh |
| 03:53:45 | Wembly | kergoth: but we dont have to worry about portablity if your translating it into asm |
| 03:53:45 | warmi | let me take a look at my Zaurus |
| 03:53:50 | Wembly | kergoth: and its only for one platform. |
| 03:54:04 | kergoth | Wembly: obviously. but then its not generally useful |
| 03:54:08 | Wembly | kergoth: and if you have the orignal source then portablity is a nonissue. |
| 03:54:21 | Wembly | kergoth: but speed improvements would be a good thing :) |
| 03:54:26 | kergoth | Wembly: I'm avoiding kernel alterations that cant be submitted upstream to the rmk tree |
| 03:54:33 | Wembly | presumeing there is any speed to improve :) |
| 03:54:40 | kergoth | Wembly: but you're right, we could use optimization |
| 03:54:40 | Wembly | wtf is the rmk tree anyhow? |
| 03:54:47 | warmi | I guess you already had that package on your system |
| 03:54:50 | kergoth | Wembly: rmk is the guy who maintains the arm kernel tree |
| 03:54:54 | Wembly | ahhh |
| 03:55:14 | warmi | I mean , I have hardly anything installed and for me every apps shows "INstall" option |
| 03:55:38 | warmi | oh you mean upgrade |
| 03:56:02 | warmi | sorry, you know what Cloud: you neet to double click on the package name |
| 03:56:10 | Wembly | kergoth: what about optmizing the branch predictions of the kernel? |
| 03:56:18 | warmi | and then it will open additional window where you can click on "install" |
| 03:56:32 | warmi | it sounds confusing and it is but that's how it works |
| 03:56:48 | kergoth | Wembly: stuff under arch/arm in the kernel, yes. stuff under drivers/ shouldnt be broken for other architectures if you can help it, imho |
| 03:57:01 | Wembly | kergoth: true. |
| 03:57:15 | Wembly | kergoth: unless its only under there for arm but *shrug* |
| 03:57:19 | kergoth | Wembly: I dunno, its something I'll keep in mind as I'm working on this |
| 03:57:26 | Wembly | kergoth: hehe |
| 03:57:35 | kergoth | Wembly: lets get it booting first |
| 03:57:36 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:57:38 | Wembly | kergoth: hahah |
| 03:57:43 | Wembly | sorry |
| 03:57:46 | warmi | CloudChaser: either double click or select the package and click on the question mark button |
| 03:57:50 | Wembly | its my old 486 days kicking in :) |
| 03:58:36 | lowkey | anyone know how to get a linksys wfc11 working in OZ? |
| 03:58:53 | Wembly | kergoth: im still learning :) |
| 03:58:53 | warmi | Wembly: this is what I was contemplating .. if it did make sense at all to optimize crucial kernel functions in asm |
| 03:58:59 | Wembly | kergoth: iv only had the system for a day :) |
| 03:59:19 | Wembly | warmi: well yea. i mean youd have to profile the thing to find out if you can improve any on it |
| 03:59:55 | warmi | Wembly: actually, one would have to first look at the code generated by the compiler and see if there is anything to be optimized at all |
| 04:00:12 | Wembly | warmi: true |
| 04:00:14 | warmi | I mean these days these suckers can generate amazingly good code |
| 04:00:18 | CloudChaser | oh thank you warmi! |
| 04:00:22 | Wembly | warmi: branch prediction should be able to be optmized tho |
| 04:00:40 | Wembly | warmi: sad but true yes |
| 04:00:41 | warmi | CloudChaser: no problem, as I said, confusing stuff and rather bad design but this is how it works for now |
| 04:01:02 | Wembly | question.. |
| 04:01:16 | Wembly | the media player that is apart of the stock system. |
| 04:01:17 | warmi | Wembly: tthat's what a good compiler should do .. it can "remember" many more rules about predictions , instructions pairing etc |
| 04:01:35 | warmi | than a human can |
| 04:02:00 | Wembly | i put a 44100hz 128kbit mp3 on there and played it. |
| 04:02:03 | Wembly | and it was choppy |
| 04:02:19 | Wembly | any clues? |
| 04:02:27 | warmi | I played the best quality mp3s I could find and it played fine |
| 04:02:32 | Wembly | weird |
| 04:02:34 | warmi | I am not sure what's going on there |
| 04:02:43 | warmi | maybe you had something running in the background or something |
| 04:03:04 | warmi | I mean not like Zaurus is known to run 150 deamons behind your back but who knows |
| 04:03:12 | Wembly | is there a usb cable like thing? so you dont have to put it in the craddle? |
| 04:03:32 | warmi | I don't thinks so .. never heard about one anyway |
| 04:04:20 | warmi | you could use a lan card ( which I use) if you don't like to have your Z in the craddle |
| 04:04:36 | Wembly | warmi: well in the craddle you cant use the keyboard :/ |
| 04:04:42 | warmi | yeah, I know |
| 04:04:54 | warmi | that's why I use lan card I got for $40 |
| 04:05:07 | Wembly | herm. |
| 04:05:11 | Wembly | id rather use a wireless lan :/ |
| 04:05:16 | Wembly | tho id guess thatd use more power :/ |
| 04:05:19 | kergoth | heh. if its on the cradle, use the vnc server |
| 04:05:21 | warmi | it is not as convinient as a wireless one but still beats stupid usb crap |
| 04:05:50 | Wembly | anyway to get a default route on the system by default? |
| 04:05:58 | warmi | yeah, eventually I will get wireless so I can increase quality of my time spend in the bathroom but for now lan will suffice |
| 04:06:29 | Wembly | how do you use the mic on it btw? |
| 04:06:46 | warmi | I just used that standard network setup applet and it worked for my lan card since then |
| 04:06:57 | warmi | don't know that one about the mic |
| 04:07:27 | warmi | Wembly: I understand you just got your 5500 ? |
| 04:08:10 | kergoth | Wembly: plug in a set of headphones and talk into the left speaker ;-) |
| 04:08:32 | warmi | hehehe |
| 04:08:53 | warmi | you serious kergoth ? |
| 04:10:15 | kergoth | yep |
| 04:10:37 | Wembly | kergoth: ahh |
| 04:10:52 | kergoth | or get one of those headsets with a mic |
| 04:10:53 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:10:53 | Wembly | warmi: yep |
| 04:11:51 | lowkey | kergoth: what's the status of wireless in oz? |
| 04:12:05 | lowkey | kergoth: which (if any) cards are tested? |
| 04:12:10 | Wembly | warmi: how'd you know? hehe |
| 04:12:12 | kergoth | lowkey: works fine, but the bugs in the GUI are annoying |
| 04:12:25 | warmi | yeah |
| 04:12:36 | lowkey | kergoth: any tips for getting a wfc11 working? |
| 04:12:38 | kergoth | lowkey: I've personally tested the dlink.. i hear the linksys works fine, and I know hte socket/symbol card works. I have not tested a buffalo/zcom/smc |
| 04:12:43 | kergoth | lowkey: i just told you what to do. scroll up |
| 04:13:53 | [DrEvil] | Buffalo works |
| 04:14:20 | lowkey | kergoth: hmmm the vnc server comment? i don't see any other hints |
| 04:15:31 | Wembly | btw |
| 04:15:35 | lowkey | kergoth: you quit right after i joined, then came back (net issues i know). 7 comments since then.... |
| 04:15:37 | Wembly | what does portmap do? |
| 04:15:43 | lowkey | kergoth: did it get lost? |
| 04:15:44 | kergoth | lowkey: you missed it when you got disconnected then |
| 04:15:47 | kergoth | lowkey: yep |
| 04:15:52 | Wembly | and how do you transfer files to the zaurus from a linux pc? |
| 04:16:07 | [DrEvil] | portmap is like inetd for things like nfs, nis |
| 04:16:26 | kergoth | lowkey: edit /etc/pcmcia/wireless.opts .. go to below the *,*,*,*) line .. change SSID to ESSID .. and remove the CHANNEL= line.. save and exit. then pop out the card and re-insert |
| 04:16:28 | Wembly | drevil: i know what it is. but what is it doing on the z? hehe |
| 04:16:47 | kergoth | lowkey: also, if you're using wep, it MUST be in the correct format at the moment. for 40 bit keys that is XXXX-XXXX-XX |
| 04:16:50 | [DrEvil] | what is autofs doing on the Z? |
| 04:17:11 | [DrEvil] | well |
| 04:17:14 | Wembly | drevil: good question. what is it doing on the Z? |
| 04:17:14 | Wembly | hhe |
| 04:17:16 | [DrEvil] | autofs is on the Z |
| 04:17:20 | Wembly | yea good for it. |
| 04:17:21 | [DrEvil] | but it doesn't work |
| 04:17:23 | Wembly | hahaha |
| 04:17:51 | [DrEvil] | the mount command in busybox is not compatiable with the autofs executable |
| 04:17:59 | Wembly | *whince* |
| 04:18:02 | Wembly | ooops? hehe |
| 04:18:08 | CloudChaser | hmm tha opie game worked after i installed it, then i installed couple more games now the icon is gone and it won't open |
| 04:18:10 | Wembly | what would autofs do if it was? |
| 04:18:16 | [DrEvil] | well |
| 04:18:19 | [DrEvil] | I want it to work |
| 04:18:32 | [DrEvil] | so I can cd into all my NFS and SMB shares |
| 04:18:46 | Wembly | umm ok hehe |
| 04:18:47 | [DrEvil] | without having to go through all that mount -t blah blah blah |
| 04:18:58 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: might be worth trying the latest version of busybox from cvs.. i saw a package on zsi |
| 04:19:02 | Wembly | drevil: what would autofs do if it worked tho? |
| 04:19:24 | [DrEvil] | kergoth: I looked at the busybox source...unless they just changed it...there is no --bind flag |
| 04:19:35 | Wembly | and is there anyway to construct some form of dir structure in the qtopia documents folder? |
| 04:19:46 | Wembly | drevil: so add one? |
| 04:19:57 | [DrEvil] | is not a coder |
| 04:20:02 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: ah, there wont be. 99% of busybox functions dont support --blah options, only the shortname -c, -d, etc |
| 04:20:08 | Wembly | anyhow |
| 04:20:13 | [DrEvil] | I just bitch about other people's code |
| 04:20:19 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: is there a short cmdline option for --bind? e.g. -b or something? |
| 04:20:25 | [DrEvil] | I am not sure |
| 04:20:26 | Wembly | i gotta go i cant focus on school while im here apparntly :/ |
| 04:20:32 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: if there is, check for it |
| 04:20:33 | [DrEvil] | I didn't se anything that resembled bind |
| 04:20:51 | [DrEvil] | the problem is that automount is compiled for a specific command string |
| 04:20:58 | [DrEvil] | and a specific location |
| 04:21:04 | kergoth | ah |
| 04:21:06 | CloudChaser | g'night.. thanks for the help warmi ;) |
| 04:21:52 | kergoth | JasonNJ: ping |
| 04:22:06 | [DrEvil] | ok |
| 04:22:18 | [DrEvil] | Since Linux 2.4.0 it is possible to remount part of the |
| 04:22:18 | [DrEvil] | file hierarchy somewhere else. The call is |
| 04:22:18 | [DrEvil] | mount --bind olddir newdir |
| 04:22:25 | [DrEvil] | that is from the good mount |
| 04:22:45 | [DrEvil] | there is a remount flag for the busybox mount in fstab |
| 04:22:49 | kergoth | so its a new function, not something autofs specific.. i see.. is therea short option for it? |
| 04:23:07 | kergoth | man checking out a kernel tree from cvs takes a long ass time. |
| 04:23:26 | [DrEvil] | downloading a kernel tree takes a long time |
| 04:23:27 | warmi | no problem Cloud |
| 04:23:32 | warmi | good night |
| 04:25:59 | lowkey | kergoth: hmmm no go. still no interface after inserting the card. prism2 is loaded.... |
| 04:26:06 | lowkey | kergoth: i appear to be getting a "resource temporarily unavailable" error in /var/log/messages |
| 04:26:23 | kergoth | lowkey: run iwconfig wlan0; |
| 04:27:01 | Guru | lowkey: I did what kergoth said, and I rebooted, and it worked okay. |
| 04:27:21 | Guru | lowkey: if you let OZ goto sleep, you have to reboot to get the network back |
| 04:27:35 | Guru | until you upgrade to the latest kernel-modules (?) |
| 04:27:55 | lowkey | kergoth: "no wireless extentions" |
| 04:28:00 | kergoth | in theory. i havent pounded it thorougly |
| 04:28:35 | kergoth | lowkey: ack, thats unpleasant. do this. first run cardctl eject;. then killall dhcpcd;. then /etc/init.d/pcmcia stop. then /etc/init.d/pcmcia start |
| 04:30:11 | kergoth | actually the killall of dhcpcd should be before cardctl eject.. certain circumstances can cause cardctl eject to hang if dhcpcd is running |
| 04:30:11 | kergoth | ehh |
| 04:30:59 | lowkey | kergoth: then reinsert the card? |
| 04:31:07 | kergoth | lowkey: its not inserted? yes |
| 04:31:22 | kergoth | lowkey: i never said to pop out the card :-P |
| 04:31:28 | Guru | kergoth: what are all those task-opie-???? apps? |
| 04:31:38 | lowkey | i never did but the eject turned it off |
| 04:31:45 | kergoth | Guru: nope, just pseudo packages.. installing hten installs other apps |
| 04:32:00 | kergoth | lowkey: /etc/init.d/pcmcia start should bring it back.. if not, run cardctl insert at the prompt. |
| 04:35:09 | lowkey | kergoth: still no extentions, but pcmcia start says "Card services release does not match" |
| 04:35:15 | lowkey | kergoth: and in /var/log/messages, i found this --> wrong module 'prism2' for device 'prism2'? |
| 04:35:37 | kergoth | lowkey: you've got problems. this is a wcf11? |
| 04:36:08 | kergoth | lowkey: email me your messages file. kergoth@digitalnemesis.net |
| 04:36:21 | lowkey | kergoth: yeah wfc |
| 04:36:28 | kergoth | lowkey: please put 'linksys wlan card failure' in the subject or mail content |
| 04:36:37 | kergoth | lowkey: how new is this card? |
| 04:37:42 | kergoth | hey nems |
| 04:37:45 | nems | Howdy. |
| 04:37:49 | nems | heya kergoth .. whats shakin |
| 04:37:59 | lowkey | kergoth: about 45 days. |
| 04:37:59 | lowkey | kergoth: whats the best way to get the file off without network working? |
| 04:38:04 | kergoth | not much. kernel dev as usual |
| 04:38:08 | kergoth | lowkey: use usb networking |
| 04:38:21 | kergoth | lowkey: linksys changed something in the cards.. it broke the old sharp roms as well |
| 04:38:25 | nems | Fun fun... I'm glad mspin told me how to fix wlan ;) |
| 04:38:28 | nems | It works great... |
| 04:38:38 | kergoth | lowkey: OZ uses a completely different driver, and likely sees the same prob |
| 04:38:42 | kergoth | nems: SSID vs ESSID? |
| 04:38:42 | nems | Iu just have to figure out how to get it to automatically take down the usbd0 route if I undock it from the cradle. |
| 04:38:45 | nems | Yup. |
| 04:38:47 | kergoth | hehe |
| 04:38:52 | nems | The worst part is, I looked at that damned line and wondered about it ;p |
| 04:38:55 | nems | Long before he told me. |
| 04:38:58 | whardier | http://www.intrinsyc.com/products/referencedesigns/cerfcube.asp |
| 04:39:06 | whardier | spiffy |
| 04:39:26 | kergoth | looks at cerf.c in arch/arm/mach-sa1100/ |
| 04:39:53 | lowkey | kergoth: what about the prism2.conf file, for the Linksys it does not have a manfind line...should it? |
| 04:40:07 | whardier | kergoth hehe |
| 04:40:19 | kergoth | lowkey: hmm.. thats odd |
| 04:40:26 | kergoth | lowkey: send me your messages file ;-) |
| 04:40:38 | whardier | can make -j 8 now |
| 04:40:49 | kergoth | lowkey: manfid helps it identify the card. but if its loading prism2, its beyond that point |
| 04:40:55 | kergoth | whardier: -j 8? damn |
| 04:41:07 | whardier | ona dual 933mhz machine its faster than -j 2 or -j 4 |
| 04:41:09 | lowkey | kergoth: ahhh... |
| 04:41:47 | kergoth | whardier: odd |
| 04:41:47 | whardier | I need like 4 of these systems |
| 04:41:56 | whardier | and 12 more nics |
| 04:42:03 | lowkey | kergoth: ok, i don't have usb-networking setup here yet so...... |
| 04:42:22 | whardier | plugs his soundcard into his zaurus |
| 04:42:29 | whardier | 9600 baud away! |
| 04:42:36 | kergoth | ah.. I'd recommend backing up to the sharp rom if the wireless is key at the moment, until I can debug. do send me your messages file though. |
| 04:42:52 | lowkey | kergoth: i will asap. |
| 04:43:10 | kergoth | lowkey: great, thanks. i appreciate your trying it out, i need more testers ;-) |
| 04:43:14 | kergoth | hey killefiz |
| 04:43:41 | lowkey | kergoth: i plan to stick with oz for a while. like it better already! |
| 04:44:25 | kergoth | lowkey: hehe. just wait till I have opie running as a nonroot user, and the kernel up to 2.4.18. |
| 04:44:26 | kergoth | ;-) |
| 04:44:27 | kergoth | brb |
| 04:47:12 | lowkey | kergoth: does oz still sync with windows (same software)? |
| 04:47:12 | lowkey | kergoth: ooohhhhh yes. let me test that! |
| 04:49:27 | nems | how does zmame work? |
| 04:52:06 | CloudChaser | oh i would like to know that also nems |
| 04:52:14 | nems | heh |
| 04:52:22 | CloudChaser | that and gnuboy |
| 04:52:51 | [DrEvil] | it uses magic smoke to emulate things |
| 04:53:03 | CloudChaser | doesn't have the magic |
| 04:53:24 | CloudChaser | how bout i reprhase |
| 04:53:45 | CloudChaser | i don't particularly care how it works, ijust want to know how to get it working on z :) |
| 04:55:00 | [DrEvil] | well |
| 04:55:08 | [DrEvil] | zmame only works with a few rom images |
| 04:56:03 | nems | Wow.. zradio sucks. |
| 04:56:14 | nems | It doesnt actually suck |
| 04:56:21 | nems | its realyl cool.. but I cant find enough stations. |
| 04:56:26 | nems | If I could find more stations it would rule. |
| 04:57:07 | CloudChaser | ok dr evil does it work with the green beret game shown on the killefiz website? |
| 04:57:17 | nems | I want bionic commando and 1941 :) |
| 05:02:33 | Guru | kergoth: can I report a bug that is affecting konq/e on your bug tracker? I think it may be an OZ problem, because I did not see this problem under the SHARP ROM |
| 05:05:39 | kergoth | Guru: whats the behavior |
| 05:05:53 | nems | good night everyone ;) |
| 05:06:51 | Guru | kergoth: the images are messed up when you go <= 50% zoom |
| 05:07:03 | Guru | I could have sworn the sharp rom did not have this problem.. (?) |
| 05:07:57 | Guru | does not happen on all websites. and I'm not 100% sure it's an OZ problem. |
| 05:08:23 | Guru | try going to: www.erachampion.com and setting zoom to 60%. works fine. then set to 50% or less and you'll see what I mean. |
| 05:08:51 | kergoth | go ahead and add to the bug tracker, ill research |
| 05:09:19 | Guru | ok! |
| 05:16:36 | nems | kergoth : It worked fine for me... I wonder if there's something specific causing hte problems.... |
| 05:16:40 | nems | I dropped to 20% fine.... |
| 05:26:54 | Guru | nems: you mean konq/e? |
| 05:33:36 | Guru | goodnight all! |
| 05:47:37 | Guru | kergoth: light and pwr app does not exit when u hit ok |
| 05:47:46 | kergoth | Guru: most apps dont. |
| 05:47:54 | kergoth | Guru: same on the sharp rom. |
| 05:48:36 | Guru | im playing around w/oz right now.... |
| 05:48:47 | Guru | ill |
| 05:48:49 | whardier | wheeee |
| 05:48:56 | whardier | uml0:~# iwconfig eth1 |
| 05:48:56 | whardier | Warning : Device eth1 has been compiled with version 0 |
| 05:48:56 | whardier | of Wireless Extension, while we are using version 12. |
| 05:48:56 | whardier | Some things may be broken... |
| 05:48:56 | whardier | eth1 ESSID:off/any Nickname:"" |
| 05:48:57 | whardier | NWID:off/any Frequency:nankHz Access Point: FF:9F:20:00:00:00 |
| 05:48:59 | whardier | Bit Rate=-1.61061e+06kb/s Tx-Power=-1610613960 dBm Sensitivity=0/0 |
| 05:49:01 | whardier | |
| 05:49:03 | whardier | Retry:on RTS thr=-1610613960 B Fragment thr=-1610613960 B |
| 05:49:05 | whardier | Encryption key:0000-0000-0000-0000-0000-0000-0000-0000-0000-0000-0000- |
| 05:49:07 | whardier | 0000-0000-0000-0000-0000 |
| 05:49:09 | whardier | Power Management0000-0000-0000-0000-0000-0000-0000-0000-0000-0000-0000 |
| 05:49:11 | whardier | -0000-0000-0000-0000-0000:on |
| 05:49:13 | whardier | check out the hostname |
| 05:49:15 | whardier | is adding wireless extensions to UML |
| 05:52:14 | Guru | kergoth: fbvncserver wont install in oz |
| 05:52:48 | Guru | gives you out of mem error using gui installer |
| 05:53:04 | kergoth | oipkg (gui installer) is bugridden |
| 05:53:49 | Guru | should i report these bug on your tracker? |
| 05:54:12 | kergoth | dont bother reporting any bugs with oipkg. we know about em ;-) everything else, yes |
| 05:54:25 | Guru | ok! :) |
| 05:58:38 | Guru | I installed something, and now I have this funny blue thingy with a yellow bottom on my task bar. When I click on it, it bring up a small dialog that says "network offline" and has a connect button. Anyone know what it is? |
| 05:59:27 | kergoth | the network monitor.. its supposed to be for bringing up and down ppp connections and the like, but it isnt functional yet. its on my todo list. |
| 05:59:33 | kergoth`sleep | night |
| 05:59:47 | Guru | goodnite! |
| 06:00:02 | Guru | thanx 4 yer help today |
| 06:02:45 | Guru | later all... my Z's battery is running low |
| 06:05:41 | whardier | hehe http://home.attbi.com/~tomoe/ |
| 10:03:08 | Twiun | Morning all |
| 11:22:22 | nems | morning twiun |
| 11:22:31 | nems | Whats oz's addressbook called? Opie-addressbook doesnt show up for some reason |
| 11:23:09 | nems | neverminbd.. just doesnt have an icon |
| 13:05:40 | mark | is away: lunch |
| 13:27:58 | benmeyer | Morning |
| 13:28:42 | benmeyer | Does kergoth strip all of the binaries in openz? |
| 13:43:10 | tux_mike | kerg: ping' |
| 13:43:20 | tux_mike | ok, that answers my question |
| 13:56:17 | Twiun | yawns |
| 13:56:39 | Twiun | that was a nice lunch... all I need now is a nice nap |
| 13:57:11 | benmeyer | hehe |
| 13:57:36 | benmeyer | Ever Tried Lycoris? |
| 13:57:40 | benmeyer | Downloading it now |
| 13:57:45 | benmeyer | Going to give it a try |
| 13:58:39 | Twiun | Lycoris? |
| 13:58:48 | Twiun | a new game? |
| 13:58:59 | benmeyer | linux distro |
| 13:59:11 | benmeyer | keep hearing good things about it |
| 13:59:17 | Twiun | Ahhh |
| 13:59:56 | benmeyer | so now I have to blow away my laptop I am going to give it a try |
| 14:02:02 | benmeyer | thought of 2 more things for the cirtification thing |
| 14:02:03 | Twiun | benmeyer: could you look into this? http://www.zauruszone.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard.cgi?s=3cf4a77e487cffff;act=ST;f=9;t=375 |
| 14:02:22 | benmeyer | strip binaries and release source |
| 14:02:52 | Twiun | aye, stripping+source is a nice addition |
| 14:03:15 | benmeyer | Hmm. No comment here |
| 14:03:33 | benmeyer | the uk branch is different then the usa branch |
| 14:03:55 | benmeyer | as for if it will work or not it should.... but don't take my word on that for I havn't tested it |
| 14:04:22 | Twiun | right... but I don't suppose you could prod them to do some kind of official announcement from them? This is the kind of thing that could damage the UK market |
| 14:04:55 | Twiun | posts on that board, esp by a non-admin, don't really shout out "official" ;-) |
| 14:05:39 | benmeyer | :-) |
| 14:09:15 | benmeyer | grr, redhat doesn't come with lynx |
| 14:09:20 | benmeyer | I miss debian :-( |
| 14:12:24 | BigBoss | check this http://www.linuxandmain.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=77 |
| 14:12:38 | BigBoss | it's going to include some announcement on packaging as well I believe |
| 14:13:47 | benmeyer | BigBoss: do you know anything about it? |
| 14:16:44 | BigBoss | I know the conference is tomorrow |
| 14:16:59 | BigBoss | I happened to be talking to dep on the phone yesterday when he was trying to find out what it was about |
| 14:25:00 | lems1 | does anybody knows of a way to sync a zaurus with a Linux PPC system? meaning, is there a Qtopia Desktop binary for the PPC processor? |
| 14:25:08 | benmeyer | nope |
| 14:25:11 | benmeyer | that is closed source |
| 14:25:17 | benmeyer | TrollTech owns it |
| 14:25:33 | lems1 | benmeyer: I know is closed source... is there any other choice? |
| 14:25:55 | lems1 | benmeyer: maybe TrollTech can be persuaded to compile it for PPC :-) |
| 14:26:37 | benmeyer | Well once the osx version comes out... |
| 14:27:03 | benmeyer | Yes this is one area where open zaurus will shine |
| 14:27:07 | lems1 | ... got it... let me try to get an email for trolltech developers |
| 14:27:30 | benmeyer | you can send your request to kent@trolltech.com |
| 14:27:48 | lems1 | benmeyer: thanks for the input |
| 14:29:44 | lems1 | on a different topic, any luck in getting the Zaurus to sync with Evolution? I already got the perl script to sync the calendar with Evolution, but I also need something for the addressbook (I guess some more people need this too) |
| 14:30:17 | benmeyer | That one script is the only thing that I am aware of |
| 14:31:58 | numatrix | benmeyer: try "links" instead of lynx. Of course, it's funny that ximian.org still lists their spiffy-installation script with lynx, but whatever. I usually wget it first, then sh ./go-gnome.sh it. |
| 14:33:04 | benmeyer | "We apologize to developers for reducing their compile-time. They will have less time to surf the web, play Quake, or shoot their co-workers with Nerf guns," said Eirik Eng, Trolltech's president. |
| 14:33:06 | benmeyer | haha |
| 14:33:29 | benmeyer | http://www.trolltech.com/company/announce.html?Action=Show&AID=93 |
| 14:34:38 | BigBoss | so where is the contest results? |
| 14:34:38 | benmeyer | cool |
| 14:34:49 | benmeyer | in lolipop land |
| 14:34:53 | benmeyer | i.e. not sure |
| 14:35:09 | benmeyer | there is some issue with some contest entry that was sent in but not judged |
| 14:35:16 | benmeyer | and Jason is away in Florida |
| 14:35:25 | benmeyer | so at this point I expect next week |
| 14:35:26 | benmeyer | sigh |
| 14:37:03 | BigBoss | geeze |
| 14:41:07 | BigBoss | i forgot jason was having a vacation this week |
| 14:42:01 | benmeyer | Yup |
| 14:48:41 | BigBoss | hey rik |
| 14:48:46 | BigBoss | how things coming? |
| 14:49:03 | rikkus | not bad |
| 14:49:17 | rikkus | not fast enough though, sorry :| |
| 14:50:55 | BigBoss | how did you like our little customer support email yesterday |
| 14:51:19 | rikkus | very friendly ;) |
| 14:53:10 | W|GGL|T | is there any other place i can get qtopiadesktop for linux other than at trolltech...their link isnt working ( ftp://ftp.trolltech.com/qtopia/qtopiadesktop.tgz ) |
| 14:53:41 | rikkus | probably not |
| 14:53:47 | rikkus | but they have email there, I hear |
| 14:55:00 | BigBoss | not that they respond to it :) |
| 14:55:14 | W|GGL|T | then the email is as good as useless |
| 14:56:00 | W|GGL|T | fuck...i cant get QD to work in linux and their README file is shit, now their link is shot and someone's telling me to email them |
| 14:56:47 | BigBoss | you can try |
| 14:56:52 | rikkus | who's that then ? |
| 14:57:11 | BigBoss | my experience is that they respond to those they consider to be on support, doesn't matter if the problem is theirs or not |
| 14:57:13 | benmeyer | yes |
| 14:57:22 | benmeyer | zauruszone.com/howtos/ |
| 14:57:24 | benmeyer | links |
| 14:57:38 | benmeyer | I mirror all docs (or at least I try |
| 14:57:44 | benmeyer | I mean the downloads page, not links |
| 14:58:16 | benmeyer | WIGGLIT: Did that help? |
| 14:58:33 | W|GGL|T | going there now...thanks |
| 14:58:48 | W|GGL|T | gonna try both the howtos and dl pages |
| 14:59:28 | W|GGL|T | ok...the howto is already showing better info that trolltech's own README |
| 14:59:28 | benmeyer | ok |
| 14:59:41 | benmeyer | let me know if you have any suggestions on improvments |
| 15:00:02 | W|GGL|T | ok...thanks again |
| 15:01:35 | BigBoss | the qtopia desktop link on that is dead for me |
| 15:01:45 | BigBoss | ben: do you know if Randy and Arnold went to Japan yet? |
| 15:01:50 | benmeyer | yup |
| 15:01:53 | benmeyer | yesterday |
| 15:02:00 | benmeyer | arnold this time :-) |
| 15:02:29 | BigBoss | just arnold? |
| 15:02:49 | benmeyer | yes, just arnold (unless randy is going later) |
| 15:03:04 | BigBoss | ok - thanks |
| 15:03:11 | BigBoss | rikkus: were we doing GPG in Aethera? |
| 15:05:30 | rikkus | BigBoss: not that I know of |
| 15:06:59 | BigBoss | ok |
| 15:15:31 | rikkus | bbl |
| 15:15:56 | benmeyer | _wow_ 8x cd burners are sooo fast. I have had my 2x for about 6 years and to burn a cd in 10 minutes is crazy |
| 15:16:16 | benmeyer | hehe |
| 15:16:39 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 15:17:17 | W|GGL|T | yeah, i have a 8x in my notebook and its plenty fast enough...faster than i realized |
| 15:17:29 | BigBoss | yea, I got a 10x writer and it is a huge difference |
| 15:17:41 | benmeyer | yah, same here. Came with my new laptop so I can make development isos |
| 15:18:06 | benmeyer | Well in all of 6 years with my 2X I have only had 1 bad disk so that is why I still keep it |
| 15:18:18 | benmeyer | and that 1 disk was my fault to boot |
| 15:19:13 | W|GGL|T | my 4x coasters like hell...time to trash it but im so pack-ratty |
| 15:20:31 | benmeyer | yah, back when cd's cost $10 each the companies really made high quality burners |
| 15:23:10 | BigBoss | now I pick them up for between $.08 and $.15 usually |
| 15:23:22 | ljp | cheaper than bubblegum |
| 15:36:16 | | Slashdot - Updated 2002-05-29 15:13:28 | NY AG Sues MonsterHut Over Marketing Spam | Core Lego Mindstorms Programming | Second-Gen DDR SDRAM On The Horizon | Intel Itanium 2 Benchmarks |
| 15:36:16 | NetAmp | ibot: slashdot |
| 15:36:40 | NetAmp | g'day warmi |
| 15:36:47 | warmi | hi |
| 15:36:48 | NetAmp | :) |
| 15:37:11 | warmi | NetAmp: do you have your ZAurus yet? |
| 15:37:17 | W|GGL|T | got QD running in Linux! |
| 15:37:26 | NetAmp | warmi: nope.. *sign* |
| 15:37:34 | benmeyer | it worked for you? |
| 15:37:38 | benmeyer | what doe QD do? |
| 15:37:49 | NetAmp | The Z toys still haven't been imported into our little country |
| 15:38:06 | warmi | do they even sell it in Holland yet ? |
| 15:38:16 | NetAmp | not yet :( |
| 15:38:39 | whardier | mornin! |
| 15:38:43 | warmi | hi |
| 15:38:53 | whardier | warms up warmi |
| 15:38:54 | NetAmp | Sharp representative said they'll send out e-mails when it's available |
| 15:39:11 | NetAmp | they got my info.. guess they'll ja zelfs die |
| 15:39:18 | NetAmp | oops |
| 15:39:30 | NetAmp | guess they'll mail me in a month or two :S |
| 15:39:43 | warmi | you should get one from Germany |
| 15:39:51 | NetAmp | nope... it's 5500G :( |
| 15:40:07 | NetAmp | or do they have them with 'normal' keyboards too? |
| 15:40:13 | NetAmp | (no offence, heh) |
| 15:40:19 | warmi | well, do they even plan ZaurusH or something like that or are they going to sell English version ? |
| 15:40:33 | hunger | NetAmp: I have no problem with a 5500G and the qwertz keyboard layout. |
| 15:40:53 | NetAmp | Over my dead body, I'll never even think of getting a Dutch version |
| 15:41:01 | NetAmp | *oh the horror!* |
| 15:41:14 | NetAmp | Well except maybe for some stuff it'd be nice |
| 15:41:27 | hunger | NetAmp: I liked the german keyboard, but OZ broke that. |
| 15:41:28 | NetAmp | like spell checkers |
| 15:41:56 | NetAmp | hunger: you're not from Germany? |
| 15:42:01 | warmi | yeah, Dutch ... I keep refering to it as Holland but that's what I am used to |
| 15:42:02 | hunger | NetAmp: yes. |
| 15:42:03 | warmi | heh |
| 15:42:19 | NetAmp | warmi: np ;-) |
| 15:42:51 | NetAmp | But I really definitely hate the Dutch Windows translations |
| 15:42:56 | NetAmp | really icky! eeeeh |
| 15:43:23 | NetAmp | You get very weird sentences that way, hah |
| 15:43:52 | warmi | well, but you need at least locale stuff like a proper date and currency format |
| 15:43:58 | warmi | decimal numbers etc |
| 15:44:03 | NetAmp | yeah you're right about that... |
| 15:44:12 | NetAmp | but that's diff. on the G one too |
| 15:44:39 | warmi | NetAmp: you guys use DD-MM-YYYY format over there ? |
| 15:44:42 | NetAmp | they have ß thingies |
| 15:44:48 | warmi | heh |
| 15:44:51 | NetAmp | DD-MM-YYYY yes :) |
| 15:45:04 | NetAmp | 29-05-2002 |
| 15:45:29 | warmi | yeah, I changed my internal app here to support that format and I had a little revolt .. people were getting confused like hell |
| 15:45:40 | NetAmp | (I still wonder why they didn't ever set the standard for that :P) |
| 15:45:45 | ardiri | actually.. the best countries in the world use YYYY-MM-DD :) as per ISO standard |
| 15:45:51 | warmi | 80% of developers here are not from US so it was natural for us |
| 15:45:53 | warmi | heeh |
| 15:45:54 | NetAmp | ISO rocks :P |
| 15:46:05 | ardiri | ie: Sweden, Finland, Norway, Denmark |
| 15:46:14 | warmi | so finally I went back to MM-DD-YYYY |
| 15:46:14 | ardiri | 2002-05-29 |
| 15:46:23 | ardiri | works best for sorting et al |
| 15:46:30 | NetAmp | yeah |
| 15:46:42 | NetAmp | ardiri: it should be that way everywhere |
| 15:46:51 | ardiri | heh.. thats why i moved to Sweden :) |
| 15:46:51 | NetAmp | but it isn't... :( oh well |
| 15:47:01 | hunger | NetAmp: Why? |
| 15:47:04 | ardiri | americans are.. well.. they have to be different :P hehe |
| 15:47:06 | warmi | ardiri: moved from where ? |
| 15:47:21 | ardiri | same reason they have 110V, 1900 GSM, NTSC etc.. |
| 15:47:25 | ardiri | warmi: australia |
| 15:47:27 | NetAmp | hunger: well... because, it'd be good to use the same format I guess :) |
| 15:47:31 | hunger | NetAmp: People are used to their date. Why should millions of people change their ways to make things easier for somecomputer geeks? |
| 15:47:48 | warmi | ardiri: MM-DD-YYYY seems to be strange but after all it is just another convention .. not really better or worse than DD-MM-YYYY or whatever |
| 15:48:04 | NetAmp | hunger: hahaha *lol* no not change it... I think that'd screw everything up BIGTIME like with the Euro crap we got here |
| 15:48:05 | ardiri | MM-DD-YYYY is just as bad as DD-MM-YYYY |
| 15:48:10 | warmi | metric system is a different matter ... it simply makes more sense |
| 15:48:17 | MSpin | MM-DD-YYYY came from how we *say* the date |
| 15:48:18 | ardiri | has a birthday on 07-06-2002 |
| 15:48:19 | hunger | NetAmp: I love that euro crap:-) |
| 15:48:21 | NetAmp | hunger: but it would have been nice if they'd thought of doing that earlier :) |
| 15:48:22 | ardiri | so, is that june or july? :) |
| 15:48:27 | MSpin | Jan 15, 2002 |
| 15:48:29 | warmi | ardiri: there is nothing "bad" about it |
| 15:48:44 | hunger | NetAmp: I live 5 min from the border... I hated it to change money to go to the cinema. |
| 15:48:46 | NetAmp | hunger: well good for you, but I think it sucks, f.e. everything's more expensive :( |
| 15:48:50 | ardiri | australia uses DD-MM-YYYY |
| 15:49:00 | hunger | NetAmp: Not true here in germany. |
| 15:49:26 | NetAmp | hunger: sweet :D |
| 15:49:34 | warmi | ardiri: do you speak Swedish yet ? |
| 15:49:37 | ardiri | the only time it isn't ambigious is when DD > 12 |
| 15:49:39 | ardiri | nej |
| 15:49:50 | hunger | NetAmp: At least not everything got more expensive. Some things actually got cheaper. |
| 15:49:54 | ardiri | var för? |
| 15:50:22 | whardier | is about 10% done porting wifi emulation to UML |
| 15:50:40 | warmi | well, NeoTron is from Sweden .. he would be in position to judge your Swedish .. I know nothing about it |
| 15:50:43 | warmi | heeh |
| 15:50:48 | kajUk | Hi, has anybody had any success with converting ttf fonts to qpf using makeqpf? |
| 15:50:52 | NetAmp | is the SL-5500 still EUR 699 in Germany? probably that'll be the same here because the PocketPC's have about that price.. |
| 15:51:12 | ardiri | heh.. NeoTron dont live here anymore tho :) |
| 15:51:19 | warmi | kajUk:try this .. http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/ttf_conversion.shtml |
| 15:51:21 | hunger | kajUk: Never tried. But I ported freetype yesterday:-) |
| 15:51:50 | hunger | kajUk: Now you only need to hack that into QT and you'll never need to convert things again;-) |
| 15:51:54 | warmi | hunger: freetype .. do you render to QImage ?? |
| 15:52:02 | warmi | ah .. ok |
| 15:52:04 | hunger | warmi: Nope. |
| 15:52:09 | hunger | warmi: To fbdev. |
| 15:52:14 | hunger | hates QT. |
| 15:52:16 | kajUk | warmi: Tried but with no success. |
| 15:52:18 | warmi | directly ? |
| 15:52:21 | whardier | eats QT |
| 15:52:26 | whardier | Quality Time |
| 15:52:27 | whardier | :P |
| 15:52:38 | hunger | warmi: Via GGI. |
| 15:52:49 | warmi | hunger: oh ... that's another layer you don't need |
| 15:52:51 | warmi | hehe |
| 15:53:00 | warmi | unless you are running nothing but GGI |
| 15:53:20 | warmi | is GGI part of that Berlin project ? |
| 15:53:31 | hunger | warmi: GGI is separate from berlin. |
| 15:53:59 | hunger | warmi: Berlin just happens to use it (or SDL or something else). |
| 15:54:00 | warmi | kajUk: I can't help you more then ... I thought that howto was accurate but I have never tried to implement it myself |
| 15:54:20 | kajUk | hunger: I read that rendering ttf fonts on the fly consumes lots of resources, that's why they invented qpf |
| 15:54:24 | warmi | hunger: so BErlin is equivalent of QT ? |
| 15:54:39 | hunger | warmi: Not yet:-) |
| 15:54:46 | benmeyer | ok, gone throught the compiler setup howto and cleaned it up: http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/linux_compiler_setup_howto.shtml |
| 15:54:53 | benmeyer | Let me know if you find anything |
| 15:55:01 | warmi | kajUk: they have direct support for ttf but the ZAurus version doesn't have it compiled in |
| 15:55:17 | kajUk | warmi: Either I'm stupid or makeqpf doesn't do what it's supposed to do |
| 15:55:24 | hunger | warmi: But the goal is to replace QT (and the other toolkits) together with the X server someday in the future (far far away). |
| 15:55:28 | ardiri | benmeyer: i made some small changes to the scripts.. dunno if you wanna adjust too |
| 15:55:29 | ardiri | :) |
| 15:55:29 | warmi | hunger: no, but I mean , is it conceptually on the same level as Qt is .. basically widget library |
| 15:55:45 | ardiri | needs to look over what you have tho |
| 15:56:10 | hunger | warmi: Nope. It's a display server. It has so called Kits that do widgets, window management etc. added. |
| 15:56:14 | warmi | kajUk: i heard it was broken but some people got it to work .. at least I recall reading a post from someone who managed to get it to work |
| 15:56:37 | ardiri | benmeyer: with the arm script you got duplicates |
| 15:56:39 | ardiri | PATH=$QTDIR/bin:$QPEDIR/bin:$CROSSCOMPILE/bin:$PATH |
| 15:56:42 | warmi | hunger: so you run this stuff instead of qtopia on your Z ? |
| 15:56:45 | ardiri | you have QPEDIR/bin twice |
| 15:56:53 | benmeyer | ardiri: you have new scripts? |
| 15:57:00 | hunger | warmi: I'm trying to port it to my Z, yes. |
| 15:57:14 | benmeyer | The first one is QTDir |
| 15:57:22 | hunger | warmi: There's nothing to run on yet, so I will stick to OPIE for now though. |
| 15:57:33 | benmeyer | never mind I got it |
| 15:57:38 | benmeyer | Thanks |
| 15:57:38 | warmi | oh well, good lucjk then .. I will stay with qte .... it is a great library compared to all the other crap I used before |
| 15:57:47 | ardiri | QPEDIR=/opt/Qtopia/sharp |
| 15:57:47 | ardiri | QTDIR=/opt/Qtopia/sharp |
| 15:57:48 | ardiri | :) |
| 15:58:09 | benmeyer | Fixed |
| 15:58:23 | ardiri | PATH=$QTDIR/bin:$QPEDIR/bin:$PATH:/opt/Embedix/tools/bin |
| 15:58:25 | warmi | hunger: how advanced is Berlin say on your average desktop linux box ? |
| 15:58:26 | ardiri | could be.. |
| 15:58:30 | ardiri | (for x86) |
| 15:58:33 | warmi | is it ready to replace X ? |
| 15:58:39 | ardiri | PATH=$QTDIR/bin:$QPEDIR/bin:$CROSSCOMPILE/bin:$PATH |
| 15:58:51 | ardiri | and, you can remove the QTDIR from that too :) |
| 15:58:52 | warmi | I know there are no apps for it . but does it work well enough to be used as a main desktop ? |
| 15:59:02 | hunger | warmi: The server is rather stable nowadays. But it still lacks a lot of features to make it useful. |
| 15:59:13 | kergoth | hey |
| 15:59:24 | ardiri | just for some clarification :) |
| 15:59:25 | ardiri | heh |
| 15:59:27 | ljp | hi |
| 15:59:28 | warmi | hunger: you mean like APIs missing , calls not implemented etc ? |
| 15:59:39 | ardiri | i also found crap samples out there.. so, i wrote my own shell to get started |
| 15:59:41 | hunger | warmi: API missing. |
| 15:59:44 | ardiri | (base app) |
| 16:00:01 | warmi | hunger: do you run BErlin project ? |
| 16:00:14 | hunger | warmi: We are doing things a bit diffrent then the others, so just stealing a API does not really work:-( |
| 16:00:17 | ardiri | also created a little script: zemu |
| 16:00:18 | ardiri | #!/bin/bash |
| 16:00:18 | ardiri | qvfb -depth 16 & |
| 16:00:18 | ardiri | sleep 1 |
| 16:00:18 | ardiri | $1 -qws |
| 16:00:25 | ardiri | zemu sample |
| 16:00:28 | ardiri | ^^ runs emu :) |
| 16:00:31 | ardiri | might be useful too |
| 16:00:39 | hunger | warmi: We refer to it as Fresco nowadays (or at least will do so soon), but I have it running, yes. |
| 16:00:41 | ardiri | saves having to type a lot of junk :) |
| 16:00:45 | warmi | I remember reading couple of years ago about Berlin project and something called Warsaw project |
| 16:00:53 | warmi | it was a bit confusing back then |
| 16:01:02 | hunger | warmi: Warsaw is the API. |
| 16:01:24 | warmi | Fresco ?? I thought there was already a GUI library named Fresco |
| 16:01:25 | NetAmp | heh |
| 16:01:39 | benmeyer | ardiri: interesting |
| 16:01:48 | hunger | warmi: Yeap. That's where we got most of our code. So we (are going to) rename us back. |
| 16:01:55 | ardiri | but, other than that.. the pages are fine :) |
| 16:01:55 | warmi | I know there were major changes , new people took over etc .. |
| 16:02:18 | ardiri | benmeyer: well, i got frustrated quickly :) so, i fixed some stuff for myself *g* |
| 16:02:25 | hunger | warmi: I'd guess our current codebase is 90% inspired by fresco and 10% by the original berlin code. |
| 16:02:25 | warmi | basically, my understanding was that the original Berlin was basically fast , asm based code but not very portable .. or something like that |
| 16:02:27 | warmi | hehe |
| 16:02:48 | warmi | so this is C++ stuff ? |
| 16:03:01 | hunger | warmi: We are very portable now;-) |
| 16:03:06 | ardiri | has to get back into his zaurus code :) |
| 16:03:07 | ardiri | heh |
| 16:03:14 | benmeyer | ardiri: if you find anything that isn't clear or shoudl be added let me know |
| 16:03:18 | warmi | I am gonna have to take a loot at your code .. |
| 16:03:22 | ardiri | palm + ppc versions of the sample code i am working on are up and ready :) |
| 16:03:32 | hunger | warmi: Mostly. We use lots of CORBA, so you can use diffrent languages. |
| 16:03:39 | warmi | there are always good ideas to be found in other people code |
| 16:03:41 | warmi | hehe |
| 16:03:51 | ardiri | benmeyer: what we really need is a cygwin based instal :) |
| 16:03:51 | warmi | basically, scavenging .. if you will |
| 16:03:53 | warmi | lol |
| 16:03:59 | ardiri | then, i wouldn't have to use my linux box :P |
| 16:04:07 | hunger | warmi: I doubt that fresco will really run on my Z. But trying never hurts;-) |
| 16:04:17 | warmi | why shouldn't it ? |
| 16:04:20 | ardiri | still waiting to receive his z. unit |
| 16:04:28 | hunger | warmi: Try to do so:-) It's hard to scavage our code for the most part:-) |
| 16:04:37 | warmi | I mean , as long as you port basic framebuffer low level code it should run well |
| 16:04:51 | warmi | unless your stuff is radically different |
| 16:04:52 | hunger | warmi: We do not have basic framebuffer lowlevel code. |
| 16:05:20 | hunger | warmi: We render to OPenGL or Postscript or a bunch of pixels and have someone else do the actual drawing:-) |
| 16:05:41 | warmi | oh .. so this is almost like the new OS-X rendering model |
| 16:05:47 | hunger | warmi: Fresco is device independent... so you can even render to diffrent 'targets'. |
| 16:05:53 | ardiri | wee.. net.split |
| 16:06:17 | warmi | hunger: I wonder how fast does it run with all this device independent rendering going on |
| 16:06:44 | hunger | warmi: Depends:-) |
| 16:07:16 | hunger | warmi: It could take some speedup. But on my desctop I get between 150 and 30fps. |
| 16:07:28 | warmi | I mean, basically if you are rending a line to a postscript file then you are forced to use CPU cycles while rending the same thing using accelared hardware would be much faster |
| 16:07:31 | benmeyer | ardiri: do you use cygwin? |
| 16:07:39 | hunger | warmi: On SDL/GL... |
| 16:07:50 | mickmasterfarter | ben: yeah |
| 16:08:22 | mickmasterfarter | wonders why he changed his nick :) heh |
| 16:08:31 | mickmasterfarter | waiting for openprojects to let me change it back now :P |
| 16:08:39 | mickmasterfarter | was a joke on another chatroom :P |
| 16:08:41 | hunger | warmi: Right now we basically render the whole screen all the time. A bit of caching would do wonders. So there's a lot of room for improvements. |
| 16:08:46 | mickmasterfarter | forgot nick changes are global :P |
| 16:09:02 | ardiri | thar vi go |
| 16:09:04 | ljp | oh cool. a new sat tracker just in time for the next shuttle launch.. |
| 16:09:37 | ardiri | ben: you fixing the pages? (the scripts)? |
| 16:10:15 | warmi | hunger: this is an interesting way of handling things but to be truly fast it would require more support from hardware and current hardware acceleration is geared towards windows style of API acceleration |
| 16:10:24 | whardier | la de fricken do da da |
| 16:10:29 | warmi | well, anyway good luck to you |
| 16:10:30 | benmeyer | ardiri: locally and I will upload the change at the next update later today |
| 16:10:35 | ardiri | k |
| 16:10:53 | NetAmp | 's off to eat lunch |
| 16:11:10 | kergoth | hm |
| 16:11:11 | hunger | warmi: There's lots of 3D accelerated HW out there. Render to OPenGL and put that GPU to some use outside your 3D shooter:-) |
| 16:11:16 | NetAmp | erm, dinner |
| 16:11:20 | NetAmp | heh |
| 16:11:21 | benmeyer | ardiri: would you like to write a howto to get development in cygwin up and running? |
| 16:11:28 | kergoth | anyone know what the 'CS4' means on the cf buffer and GA chip on the block diagram? |
| 16:11:29 | NetAmp | I'm totally losing track of time ;) |
| 16:12:20 | warmi | yeah but what I mean is that a lot of hardware manufactures introduce hardware accelerated functionality that closely follows Win32 GDI internal calls .. basically they are optimizing their hardware to run best on Windows which makes sense |
| 16:12:36 | warmi | I am not sure that using OPenGL will allow for all this functionality to be utilized |
| 16:12:43 | warmi | it depends on the OpenGL driver |
| 16:12:45 | hunger | warmi: And the hardware is definitly heading our way. |
| 16:12:53 | ardiri | benmeyer: need the cygwin packages :) |
| 16:13:04 | ardiri | isn't sure they exist.. at least, i aint looked hard for em yet :P |
| 16:13:53 | hunger | warmi: Fresco can use any HW much better then X since we tend to have more complex things that we are rendering. |
| 16:14:32 | kergoth | hmm |
| 16:14:51 | warmi | yeah, I am sure .. X is an ancient system |
| 16:15:12 | warmi | and everything new has to be done using extensions and stuff |
| 16:15:43 | warmi | I don't like X all that much |
| 16:15:48 | hunger | warmi: I think we need something better then X someday. It would be cool if that would turn out to be fresco (or at least using some of its ideas). |
| 16:16:21 | warmi | in fact, I use only AcceleratedX from xig .. |
| 16:16:42 | warmi | which is better and faster than XFree but stil not as fast as Win32 GDI on the same box |
| 16:17:42 | warmi | hunger: Linux lacks a single authority to decide that X is out and something new is in |
| 16:18:02 | warmi | it will be very hard to introduce replacement for X and have all distros adopt it |
| 16:18:44 | hunger | warmi: Agreed. But it's fun to develop on it, it's fun to show it to people, so I'll keep working on it. |
| 16:19:14 | warmi | of course ... I do most of the stuff I do just for fun |
| 16:19:22 | warmi | including everything I do on the ZAurus |
| 16:19:23 | warmi | hehe |
| 16:19:40 | hunger | warmi: Someday we'll have to add some stupid X compatibility layer onto of it... But we won't do that now so we don't start to compromising our architecture just to make doing a compat layer easier. |
| 16:20:05 | warmi | well, all you will need to do is create XLib API compatibility layer and you are set |
| 16:20:07 | warmi | :-) |
| 16:20:24 | hunger | warmi: Take a look at Fresco. The architecture is beautiful (the code not so much;-) |
| 16:21:11 | warmi | is it C++ or should I say , do you do most of your coding in C++ ? |
| 16:21:17 | hunger | warmi: Yeah, but that renders all the nice features of Frsco useless to legacy apps. It would be nicer to do QT or GTK wrappers instead. But then that's more work. |
| 16:21:37 | hunger | warmi: Most things are in C++. |
| 16:22:02 | hunger | warmi: Some demos are in python and some experimantal code is too. Prototyping in py<thon is fun:-) |
| 16:22:11 | warmi | well, having Xlib will allow you to run Motif and all this stuff ... |
| 16:22:40 | hunger | warmi: Yeah. But we'd have to juggle pixels! That's so ugly;-) |
| 16:22:43 | warmi | basically everything on X is built on top of Xlib .. if you have that running eveyrthing from X will run on your server |
| 16:22:54 | warmi | well, that's what compatibility layer means :-) |
| 16:23:15 | warmi | I know you guys doing this for fun |
| 16:23:26 | hunger | warmi: It's a long way of. We need a complete widgetset etc. first anyway. |
| 16:23:27 | warmi | how many people are working on this project ? |
| 16:23:42 | hunger | warmi: Right now Fresco would just be a very slow Xserver. |
| 16:23:53 | warmi | yeah |
| 16:23:55 | hunger | warmi: Depends on how you count: between two and 12. |
| 16:24:13 | hunger | warmi: 5 is propably a good number. |
| 16:24:31 | warmi | hunger: do you do any app level coding ? |
| 16:24:40 | warmi | I don't mean BErlin just in general |
| 16:24:56 | warmi | like some user land apps for the Zaurus for example .. |
| 16:25:24 | hunger | warmi: Not really. For now I'd just like the demo window to pop up on my Zaurus. |
| 16:25:31 | warmi | heh |
| 16:25:42 | warmi | are you familiar with PicoGUI ? |
| 16:25:46 | hunger | warmi: Maybe even with the demo started on my desktop or something. |
| 16:25:51 | warmi | they are doing something similar |
| 16:25:59 | hunger | warmi: I read a lot about it, I stole some code from there. |
| 16:26:00 | warmi | or at least conceptually similar |
| 16:26:22 | hunger | warmi: Yes, they do. So does squeak. |
| 16:27:05 | warmi | I don't think they are as ambitious as you guys are but on the other hand I think they are further ahead |
| 16:27:05 | hunger | warmi: Or 3dwm and some other even more obscure 3D UI environments. |
| 16:27:23 | warmi | yeah, this stuff is fun to work with |
| 16:27:30 | hunger | warmi: They have more widgets, they are behind in other areas. |
| 16:27:36 | warmi | at least to me it is .. definately beats writing httpd deamon |
| 16:28:17 | hunger | warmi: Yeah. There's nothing more encouraging then a line showing up at the right position on the screen;-) |
| 16:28:46 | hunger | warmi: Not that drawing lines is a problem with fresco. The actual display server works rather well nowadays. |
| 16:29:11 | warmi | hehe |
| 16:29:18 | warmi | yeah, instant gratification |
| 16:29:26 | warmi | that's why I like GUI stuff |
| 16:29:35 | warmi | easier to keep yourself motivated |
| 16:30:34 | hunger | warmi: And with fresco you have the whole look and feel in the server. So all apps are consistent. |
| 16:30:54 | warmi | yeah, that's what is missing in Linux |
| 16:31:10 | warmi | on the other hand , some people consider it a plus to have 1500 widget libraries |
| 16:31:15 | hunger | warmi: And you can adapt the app to a PDA (for examplle) by using 'smaller' Kits. |
| 16:31:21 | kergoth | ack |
| 16:31:25 | dc | heh |
| 16:31:27 | kergoth | rmk just released 2.5.18-rmk1. |
| 16:31:29 | kergoth | downloads |
| 16:31:51 | hunger | warmi: At least that's the theory;-) |
| 16:32:07 | warmi | hunger: that's what Qt does |
| 16:32:18 | hunger | warmi: Not really. |
| 16:32:27 | warmi | basically, they have modularized their library and only include certain parts |
| 16:32:34 | warmi | if this is what you mean |
| 16:32:49 | hunger | warmi: QT is part of the client, so you cannot switch from Qt to QT/Embedded on the fly. |
| 16:33:23 | warmi | well, Qt doesn't really have a "backend" .. beyong its own QWS server and framebuffer |
| 16:33:30 | hunger | warmi: With fresco you can have a completly diffrent look and feel by just telling the server to use a diffrent Kit. |
| 16:34:29 | warmi | so this is like a theming engine taken to the extreme .. since all the kits have to support common set of APIs .. otherwise your app would not run consistenly |
| 16:34:37 | warmi | or am I missing anything there ? |
| 16:34:40 | hunger | warmi: Right. |
| 16:35:05 | hunger | warmi: We try to keep the API as minimalistic as possible to make the whole thing as flexible as possible. |
| 16:37:11 | warmi | yeah, that's always that never ending struggle between flexibility and functionality and speed |
| 16:37:36 | warmi | Win32 GDI is an example of putting speed ahead of flexibility |
| 16:37:45 | warmi | and it works well, GDI on Windows is fast |
| 16:38:05 | hunger | warmi: Fresco is a bit like building with lego bricks:-) |
| 16:38:16 | warmi | hunger: are you familiar with Win32 API ? |
| 16:38:24 | hunger | warmi: I don't know GDI too well. |
| 16:38:39 | treke | it isnt so fast anywhere else though.. :) |
| 16:39:41 | warmi | hunger: yeah, I realize that but too often this drream of "lego" turns into slow and frankly unusable monster .. I am not saying that Berlin will end up like that but a lot of projects do |
| 16:39:53 | benmeyer | kergoth: do you strip your binaries in openz/ |
| 16:39:54 | benmeyer | ? |
| 16:40:05 | warmi | treke: what do you mean ? |
| 16:40:17 | warmi | it is not meant to fast anywhere else .. :-) |
| 16:40:20 | ljp | benmeyer: haha good one |
| 16:40:46 | kergoth | benmeyer: yep |
| 16:40:50 | hunger | warmi: We will see:-) |
| 16:41:04 | warmi | yeah |
| 16:41:13 | hunger | warmi: We have not done much optimisation yet. Premature optimisation, etc;-) |
| 16:41:21 | benmeyer | kergoth: ok, just checking. |
| 16:41:25 | benmeyer | I forget to on my last onw |
| 16:41:27 | benmeyer | one |
| 16:41:35 | warmi | yeah, I know , makes sense |
| 16:41:58 | hunger | warmi: And 30 to 150 fps is OK for that I think (using my laptop's GeForce2 Go to render). |
| 16:43:22 | kergoth | benmeyer: The buildsystem runs a strip prior to ipk creation, so its relatively transparent .. so i cant forget ;-) |
| 16:43:43 | warmi | hunger: yeah, it is not not bad |
| 16:44:07 | warmi | I wonder though .. what kind of fps you would get on unnacelerated device like Z ? |
| 16:44:33 | hunger | warmi: Well, it's a simple demo, so that does not say too much. |
| 16:44:56 | hunger | warmi: Much slower:-) |
| 16:45:12 | hunger | warmi: Of course I won't render through GL then. |
| 16:45:19 | hunger | warmi: I'll tell you once I know. |
| 16:45:36 | warmi | yeah .. you could compare it with Qt |
| 16:45:47 | warmi | and see how it is doing compared to their code |
| 16:46:08 | hunger | warmi: BADLY I'd guess ;-) |
| 16:46:12 | warmi | actually , qte on the Zaurus is not the fastest GUI around but it works good enough |
| 16:46:39 | ljp | ya ncurses is the fastest gui |
| 16:46:57 | hunger | ljp: s/GUI/UI/ |
| 16:47:16 | warmi | yeah , especially these alpha rendered ncurses buttons |
| 16:47:20 | warmi | heh |
| 16:47:49 | ljp | ncurss IS a gui.. its graphical.. and its a user interface |
| 16:48:28 | hunger | ljp: Most people won't call text graphic. |
| 16:48:32 | warmi | well it is graphical .. 80x24 resolution to be precise |
| 16:48:33 | warmi | hehe |
| 16:48:54 | ljp | ncurses isnt just text.. its got colors |
| 16:49:42 | warmi | yeah, it does |
| 16:50:08 | warmi | ljp: ncurses these days makes sense only on telnet style connections |
| 16:50:37 | warmi | otherwise it is criminal to waste 1280x1024 screen to just use 80x24 display |
| 16:50:40 | ljp | or when there's no X |
| 16:50:47 | warmi | heh |
| 16:50:56 | kergoth | warmi: its a niche thing. ncurses is used for configuration dialogs for packaging, and for kernel configuration, and the like. |
| 16:51:22 | warmi | kergoth: yeah, I know but that's something you in preparation to run "normal" stuff |
| 16:51:26 | ljp | I'm not saying its pretty, though |
| 16:51:28 | warmi | which is some sort of GUI |
| 16:51:33 | kergoth | yep |
| 16:51:42 | VrxHome | in 10 years of building linux kernels, I have never done anything but "make config" |
| 16:51:48 | VrxHome | nor do I expect to ever do anything else |
| 16:52:06 | ljp | not even make modules? |
| 16:52:11 | whardier | :P |
| 16:52:13 | VrxHome | smacks ljp |
| 16:52:14 | VrxHome | :) |
| 16:52:15 | benmeyer | or make bzImage? |
| 16:52:16 | benmeyer | hehe |
| 16:52:17 | treke | ncurses can easily go higher than 80x24. Just resize the terminal emulator :) |
| 16:52:21 | warmi | VrxHome: I have been working on Linux for the last 5-6 years and I have compiled kernel maybe once or wtice |
| 16:52:24 | warmi | I just hate doing it |
| 16:52:32 | kergoth | bah make config sucks. if you screw up, you have to start over. i hated that |
| 16:52:36 | kergoth | heheh |
| 16:52:45 | treke | prefers make oldconfig when possible |
| 16:52:50 | kergoth | treke: agreed |
| 16:53:07 | kergoth | but when changes are necessary, i use menuconfig. screw xconfig, takes too long to reach over and use the mouse. hehe |
| 16:53:19 | treke | deinitly. |
| 16:53:27 | warmi | but allows you to see more text at the same time without scrolling |
| 16:53:37 | warmi | which is sometimes good for these help screens |
| 16:54:28 | warmi | I gues you kergoth know menuconfig by heart :-) |
| 16:54:36 | treke | yup :) |
| 16:55:19 | kergoth | ljp: did you ever figure out if the sharp_buzzer uses a piezo or a speaker? |
| 16:55:20 | warmi | I still have to make sure that this stupid driver or whatever is NOT what I need and nobody uses that old filesystem so there is no need to compiled it in etc... |
| 16:55:22 | ljp | I would think kergoth would prefer to use vi .config |
| 16:55:37 | kergoth | hehe. actually i do that quite a bit too :-P |
| 16:56:10 | ljp | kergoth: ummm I need to open my Z up.. I think I can see which thingy does the sound.. but I'm not sure |
| 16:56:39 | kergoth | ljp: figured.. grr.. if they used a piezo when the tc35143 can perfectly well output to a speaker i'm going to shoot someone. |
| 16:56:42 | ljp | its probably that cylindracal silver thingy |
| 16:56:47 | kergoth | yeah |
| 16:57:32 | ljp | I went through a parts catalog and most speakers/peizo or whatever are round, a few were a cylinder, and one was square |
| 16:57:45 | whardier | cackles insanely |
| 16:57:52 | kergoth | whardier: book done yet? |
| 16:57:53 | whardier | I don't know C |
| 16:58:01 | whardier | kergoth no no.. I need to find a ghost writer |
| 16:58:05 | kergoth | heheh |
| 16:58:08 | whardier | and actual test cases for some of this stuff |
| 16:58:08 | whardier | haha |
| 16:58:16 | whardier | but I am adding wifi support to UML |
| 16:58:17 | whardier | see! |
| 16:58:18 | whardier | eth1 IEEE 802.11-DS ESSID:"wumpa" |
| 16:58:18 | whardier | Frequency:42kHz Access Point: FF:9F:06:00:01:00 |
| 16:58:26 | kergoth | hehe |
| 16:58:28 | kergoth | nifty |
| 16:58:33 | whardier | heres hoping |
| 16:58:34 | Neo|Work | hmm |
| 16:58:40 | Neo|Work | is away: I'm busy |
| 16:58:48 | whardier | actually I just changed it a little |
| 16:58:59 | Neo|Work | is back (gone 00:00:02) |
| 16:59:15 | whardier | oh neat |
| 16:59:17 | whardier | kernel panic |
| 16:59:20 | kergoth | fun |
| 16:59:25 | whardier | its in a umlk |
| 16:59:26 | whardier | err |
| 16:59:27 | Neo|Work | ardiri: I might not live in Sweden but I sure as heck know Swedish still, even though when speaking English words sneak in now and then |
| 16:59:27 | whardier | uml |
| 16:59:28 | benmeyer | Neo|Work: How is doom? |
| 16:59:29 | whardier | I could care less |
| 16:59:30 | whardier | haha |
| 17:00:47 | W|GGL|T | does a tapdance ... finally got qtopiadesktop running AND it's connected to the Z |
| 17:01:25 | whardier | hehe |
| 17:01:26 | whardier | eth1 IEEE 802.11-UML ESSID:"wumpa" |
| 17:01:26 | whardier | Frequency:42kHz Access Point: FF:9F:06:00:01:00 |
| 17:01:29 | whardier | I like kernel hacking |
| 17:01:31 | whardier | I am good at it |
| 17:01:38 | Neo|Work | benmeyer: a bit better but still "not there". Haven't looked at it a whole lot in the last few days |
| 17:01:42 | Neo|Work | been.. uhm... busy |
| 17:01:45 | W|GGL|T | wants wifi soooo damn bad |
| 17:01:53 | Neo|Work | mumbles something about addictive games like SMAC. |
| 17:01:59 | whardier | W|GGL|T well soon you will be able to emulate it! |
| 17:02:06 | whardier | that might sate your hunger |
| 17:02:10 | kergoth | hehe. i doubt it |
| 17:02:14 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 17:02:23 | whardier | actually |
| 17:02:24 | ardiri | neo: howdy :) |
| 17:02:25 | whardier | this is pretty cool |
| 17:02:36 | ardiri | will go devour some pizza salad soon*g* |
| 17:02:52 | W|GGL|T | that sorta sounds good |
| 17:03:38 | benmeyer | Neo|Work: ok, marketing wants it to show off. That is why |
| 17:06:29 | Neo|Work | hehe |
| 17:06:38 | Neo|Work | problem is, it's rather unplayable |
| 17:06:39 | whardier | <gurov-w3rk> hardwire: range / |
| 17:06:40 | whardier | <hardwire> ? |
| 17:06:40 | whardier | <gurov-w3rk> what's the range on that ? |
| 17:06:40 | whardier | <hardwire> haha |
| 17:06:40 | whardier | <hardwire> I am making emulation drivers for User Mode Linux |
| 17:06:40 | whardier | <hardwire> so I guess on a clear day.. it could reach around the world a few times |
| 17:06:42 | whardier | <gurov-w3rk> i see |
| 17:06:45 | whardier | <sargon2> lol |
| 17:06:46 | whardier | hahaha |
| 17:06:57 | whardier | crack.. me.. up.. |
| 17:07:03 | Neo|Work | I got controls using the stylus working (as "analog joystick") but I need to make the effect logarithmic somehow |
| 17:07:05 | kergoth | lol |
| 17:08:08 | benmeyer | hmm |
| 17:08:10 | benmeyer | interesting |
| 17:08:22 | benmeyer | either way I did beat the demo just using the keypad |
| 17:11:30 | whardier | oops |
| 17:11:31 | whardier | eth1 802.11-UML ESSID:"wumpa" |
| 17:11:31 | whardier | Frequency:24GHz Access Point: FF:9F:06:00:01:00 |
| 17:11:59 | kergoth | 24GHz huh? |
| 17:12:09 | kergoth | heheh |
| 17:12:18 | whardier | iyeah |
| 17:12:20 | whardier | :P |
| 17:12:25 | whardier | misplaced a 0 |
| 17:12:56 | whardier | this is gonna be such a pain in the ass |
| 17:13:03 | whardier | I need somebody smart to take over doing this |
| 17:13:04 | whardier | haha |
| 17:13:20 | benmeyer | is that the kismit thing? |
| 17:13:32 | whardier | no |
| 17:13:33 | kergoth | nah he's adding wireless to UML |
| 17:13:36 | whardier | its me fucking with shit I shouldn't |
| 17:14:02 | whardier | hehe |
| 17:14:04 | whardier | on a clear day |
| 17:14:05 | whardier | heh |
| 17:14:27 | Nasa | hi |
| 17:14:38 | whardier | hopes to get to a point where using a ray tracer or similar I can emulate the freznel effect over oceons |
| 17:15:24 | benmeyer | UML? |
| 17:17:46 | Nasa | hey kergoth: a couple of questions on OZ -- why don't I get audio playing mpegs? and Why do I lose the date/time when the Z resumes? |
| 17:17:54 | whardier | user-mode-linux.sf.net |
| 17:18:15 | Neo|Work | it would be awesome if you could connect a mouse or joystick to the Zaurus |
| 17:18:27 | Neo|Work | too bad it doesn't have any connection like that |
| 17:18:41 | killefiz | NeoTron: You could probably hook up a serial mouse |
| 17:18:43 | Neo|Work | would make it SO much easier to play certaing ames on it, like Doom, 3D games etc. :) |
| 17:19:06 | whardier | Neo|Work do you have SDL all polished ? |
| 17:19:37 | Neo|Work | whardier: it's pretty polished - very usable, not perfect |
| 17:19:46 | whardier | hmm |
| 17:19:48 | Neo|Work | it's actually even released so the latest tarball has it |
| 17:19:54 | Neo|Work | SDL tarball that is |
| 17:19:57 | whardier | I should be able to take some old sdl programs and change their res around then.. |
| 17:19:59 | whardier | hehe |
| 17:20:15 | whardier | what about SDL direct to the framebuffer |
| 17:20:18 | whardier | or is yours all qt? |
| 17:20:32 | Neo|Work | Mine is all Qt. overcode had been working some on a framebuffer solution |
| 17:20:41 | Neo|Work | but that is kind-of beyond my skillset |
| 17:20:50 | whardier | eth1 802.11-UML ESSID:"wumpa" |
| 17:20:50 | whardier | Frequency:2.412GHz Access Point: FF:9F:06:00:01:00 |
| 17:20:51 | whardier | joy |
| 17:20:56 | whardier | a normal looking frequency |
| 17:21:34 | ljp | kergoth: found it |
| 17:22:17 | neurosys | Has anyone here tried bluetooth with the sl-5x00? |
| 17:22:23 | kergoth | ljp: ? |
| 17:22:34 | Nasa | hey kergoth: a couple of questions on OZ -- why don't I get audio playing mpegs? and Why do I lose the date/time when the Z resumes? |
| 17:22:35 | kergoth | ljp: oh the 'sounder'? |
| 17:22:48 | kergoth | Nasa: uninstall util-linux-hwclock first of all |
| 17:23:00 | ljp | yes.. |
| 17:23:08 | kergoth | Nasa: then if you'll hold on, i'll get a new atd package as well |
| 17:23:11 | kergoth | ljp: so what is it? |
| 17:23:40 | ljp | not real sure yet... researching |
| 17:23:54 | kergoth | k |
| 17:23:59 | kergoth | got the model # i assume? |
| 17:24:22 | neurosys | burp |
| 17:24:37 | ljp | M15EB |
| 17:25:02 | neurosys | no bluetooth testies in here? :P |
| 17:25:11 | kergoth | ljp: hm, that doesnt help much eh? |
| 17:25:20 | ljp | no googleness either |
| 17:25:29 | neurosys | LOL |
| 17:25:38 | neurosys | you dont like bluetooth? |
| 17:26:29 | kergoth | neurosys: hm? who are you talking to? |
| 17:26:46 | neurosys | anyone? |
| 17:27:23 | neurosys | I dont havre a zaurus yet. :) |
| 17:27:32 | neurosys | but ive been reading and all.. |
| 17:27:50 | neurosys | so im just curious if anyone in here has tried the bluez port. |
| 17:28:01 | kergoth | ljp: I'll email mitchy .. i was planning on emailing him anyway to see if we could get specs on the tc35143 |
| 17:28:09 | whardier | wheres my little scanline buddy? |
| 17:28:22 | | scanline was last seen on #tuxscreen 8 days, 37 minutes and 21 seconds ago, saying: is back (gone 09:22:48) [Tue May 21 17:51:01 2002] |
| 17:28:22 | kergoth | ibot: seen scanline? |
| 17:28:32 | kergoth | 8 days.. damn |
| 17:28:33 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:28:53 | neurosys | what are you guys talkin about? openzaurus? |
| 17:29:03 | whardier | noooo |
| 17:29:06 | whardier | why would we do that |
| 17:29:43 | neurosys | a funny guy. :-p |
| 17:29:47 | kergoth | neurosys: we're talkinga bout getting specifications for some of the chips in the zaurus, so we can improve the zaurus kernel. |
| 17:29:49 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:30:01 | kergoth | whardier: pingizauru artwork. :-P |
| 17:30:14 | neurosys | Ah. sharp still hasnt released any ROM details |
| 17:30:17 | neurosys | ? |
| 17:30:25 | kergoth | neurosys: hmm? |
| 17:30:28 | whardier | flup |
| 17:30:34 | kergoth | flup? |
| 17:30:34 | whardier | kergoth thats a damn good idea |
| 17:30:38 | whardier | I need a break |
| 17:30:42 | whardier | what kind of artwork do we need? |
| 17:30:44 | bipolar | kergoth: welcome back |
| 17:31:10 | neurosys | You would think Sharp would release their ROM so people could play with it. |
| 17:31:18 | kergoth | whardier: jason wants a little pingizauru in all the opie icons. hehe. something new for the tshirts on cafepress.. hmm |
| 17:31:26 | whardier | wow |
| 17:31:31 | whardier | jason this |
| 17:31:32 | whardier | jason that |
| 17:31:36 | whardier | lets talk about sex |
| 17:31:39 | kergoth | lets not |
| 17:31:40 | whardier | thats much more interesting |
| 17:31:41 | bipolar | whardier: lol |
| 17:31:46 | kergoth | i'm trying to work here |
| 17:31:47 | kergoth | :-P |
| 17:31:48 | whardier | likes boobs |
| 17:31:50 | kergoth | re bipolar |
| 17:31:55 | whardier | can I put boobs on pingizaurus? |
| 17:32:00 | bipolar | also likes boobs |
| 17:32:03 | whardier | can I put boobs on pingizauru? |
| 17:32:04 | whardier | heh |
| 17:32:04 | whardier | no s |
| 17:32:29 | ljp | hardest part of taking apart the Z is getting the keyboard cover on/off |
| 17:32:37 | kergoth | hehe. make a female pingizauru |
| 17:32:47 | bipolar | hehehe |
| 17:33:01 | bipolar | then we can have pingizauru pr0n |
| 17:33:04 | neurosys | what are you trying to hack in the kernel anyways? |
| 17:33:16 | kergoth | make images of pingizauru in different angles and then create a pz virtual pet |
| 17:33:17 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:33:18 | Neo|Work | save me from these maniacs! |
| 17:33:23 | bipolar | lol |
| 17:33:29 | kergoth | Neo|Work: joinnn ussss |
| 17:33:42 | bipolar | Neo|Work: theres no use.... we're everywhere |
| 17:33:44 | kergoth | muahaha |
| 17:34:20 | bipolar | kergoth: whats left for OZ before it's out of Beta? |
| 17:35:02 | neurosys | what browser do you use in OZ since opera is removed? |
| 17:35:13 | bipolar | neurosys: Konquror |
| 17:35:30 | kergoth | bipolar: bug fixes.. running opie as a nonroot user.. need usb networking added to netsetup, more features in wlansetup, and the ppp in netsetup needs fixing.. |
| 17:35:31 | bipolar | neurosys: Konq/E kicks ass |
| 17:35:39 | neurosys | bipolar: konquror isnt KDE dependent? |
| 17:35:50 | bipolar | neurosys: not the embedded one |
| 17:35:56 | kergoth | neurosys: they shrunk down the kdelibs for it |
| 17:36:07 | neurosys | oh |
| 17:36:19 | kergoth | i still want to check out korganizer/embedded |
| 17:36:39 | treke | shrunk is certainly relative :) |
| 17:37:11 | neurosys | does konquror flip to teh side? |
| 17:37:14 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:37:18 | kergoth | neurosys: yes, it works with rotation |
| 17:37:40 | treke | you have to tell it to though |
| 17:37:59 | treke | (maybe add a rotated konqueror icon) |
| 17:38:07 | kergoth | nope |
| 17:38:11 | kergoth | after rotatting, you need to reboot |
| 17:38:18 | kergoth | otherwise inputmethods and start menu arent rotated.. hehe.. |
| 17:38:34 | tux_mike | kergoth: what level of OZ are you on? |
| 17:38:37 | treke | if you dont need the input methods it wouldnt be too bad |
| 17:38:40 | neurosys | is it hard to replace your Zaurus OS with OZ? |
| 17:38:47 | kergoth | treke: yep |
| 17:39:03 | kergoth | neurosys: nope, you rename a couple files and follow standard zaurus rom flash procedure |
| 17:39:12 | kergoth | tux_mike: beta 10 of openzaurus 3 is current |
| 17:39:19 | treke | would be quite handy for combining /. and the pot |
| 17:39:38 | tux_mike | how's it working? sd, wlan, etc |
| 17:39:43 | neurosys | kergoth : what about going back to factory default if something goes wrong? |
| 17:40:35 | kergoth | neurosys: then you just flash the original sharp rom per the standard flash procedures |
| 17:40:41 | whardier | AUGH |
| 17:40:47 | ljp | make sure you have another cf card with the sharp rom on it |
| 17:40:50 | kergoth | tux_mike: wlan works, with a slight caveat.. bug in the gui config app.. sd works fine |
| 17:40:51 | whardier | how many of you knew about the debian package w3m-img |
| 17:40:52 | whardier | !! |
| 17:40:56 | kergoth | not me |
| 17:41:05 | tux_mike | install to sd? |
| 17:41:10 | neurosys | ljp : I thought you couldnt get the SHARP ROM. |
| 17:41:13 | kergoth | works, though oipkg still has some bugs |
| 17:41:30 | kergoth | neurosys: yes you can |
| 17:41:44 | tux_mike | ok, do i need to do any updates off feeds, or is b10 current? |
| 17:41:49 | kergoth | neurosys: the 5500 rom wasnt avilable for a bit, but they released it.. and then released a newer one which is an update |
| 17:42:03 | neurosys | kergoth : Oh . ok :) |
| 17:42:04 | kergoth | tux_mike: its current, but you'll want to remove the util-linux-hwclock package, and install an updated atd package when i finish it |
| 17:42:13 | neurosys | But none of you guys have tried bluetooth stuff yet? |
| 17:42:29 | tux_mike | ah |
| 17:42:39 | tux_mike | kergoth: does the RTC on the Z keep in UTC? :) |
| 17:42:48 | kergoth | tux_mike: thats why you need to remove hwclock and update atd... ;-) |
| 17:42:50 | neurosys | Is it because you dont like Bluetooth? Or just dont have the hardware to play with it? |
| 17:42:58 | kergoth | neurosys: who are you talking to? |
| 17:42:59 | whardier | http://segfault.bogomip.com/w3m-slashdot.jpg |
| 17:43:07 | tux_mike | ah |
| 17:43:10 | neurosys | whoever cares? :) |
| 17:43:12 | kergoth | neurosys: i personally dont have the hardware, dont know about anyone else |
| 17:43:23 | whardier | kergoth apt-get intsall w3m-img!! |
| 17:43:27 | whardier | its fucking tight! |
| 17:43:35 | bipolar | kergoth: whats up with hwclock and atd? |
| 17:43:59 | tux_mike | whardier: huha? is that some sort of new browser? |
| 17:44:19 | whardier | tux_mike thats w3m-img |
| 17:44:19 | neurosys | Well. I will have my t68i, socket Bluetooth and zaurus next week. Ill be sure to tell you how it turns out./ |
| 17:44:24 | whardier | w3m with xterm image support |
| 17:44:24 | wwelti | hmm... i need some big memory device for my Z. either a CF card, or a microdrive, i guess. but they're all expensive, and i heared microdrive reduces battery life (which is ultra short anyway) significantly... anybody knows more? |
| 17:44:24 | whardier | hahaha |
| 17:44:33 | whardier | is surfing thehun |
| 17:44:47 | tux_mike | oh |
| 17:44:48 | neurosys | OZ would be very nice to have a GUI that worked with the BlueZ.. If it works :) |
| 17:45:03 | kergoth | bipolar: atd package wasnt symlinking its startup sscripts into place |
| 17:45:10 | tux_mike | i don't need graphics in my terminals... that and i prefer konsole to xterm |
| 17:45:23 | neurosys | kergoth |
| 17:45:40 | neurosys | kergoth: would it be hard ot create a gui setup for BT? |
| 17:46:09 | kergoth | neurosys: i dont know. i know nothing about bt. |
| 17:46:37 | neurosys | kergoth: but you know what BT is no? |
| 17:46:45 | kergoth | neurosys: of course |
| 17:46:49 | neurosys | kergoth: ok :) |
| 17:47:21 | kergoth | whardier: haha. thats nuts.. |
| 17:47:32 | kaygee | Is anyone aware of whether kismet works with the Socket card? |
| 17:47:51 | kergoth | kaygee: the current driver for the socket doesnt have the ability to go into RF monitor mode. |
| 17:48:01 | kergoth | kaygee: so it wont at the moment. |
| 17:48:03 | kaygee | I see |
| 17:48:17 | neurosys | What do you gentlemen suggest is the best wiLAN can to get for the zaurus? |
| 17:48:20 | kergoth | well, you can run it.. you just woknt see anything :-) |
| 17:48:27 | whardier | heh |
| 17:48:28 | kaygee | are there plans to implement this in the future (i.e. I assume it's just a software problem) |
| 17:48:31 | kergoth | neurosys: the best one i know of with regard to power use and range is the socket |
| 17:48:39 | whardier | should port w3m-img to QT |
| 17:48:43 | kergoth | neurosys: next would be the buffalo (prism 2.5) |
| 17:48:44 | whardier | talk about fast light browser |
| 17:49:01 | kergoth | kaygee: I dont know, ask the guy who wrote the driver. I plan on digging into it myself but i'm busy at the moment. |
| 17:49:09 | neurosys | kergoth: but the socket doesnt work with the wiLAN sniffer? |
| 17:49:10 | kaygee | I'm sure you are :-) |
| 17:49:16 | kergoth | neurosys: not yet. |
| 17:49:21 | kaygee | how is OZ btw? |
| 17:49:31 | whardier | pets OZ |
| 17:49:36 | kergoth | well I'm biased, since i created it. so I wont respond. :-P |
| 17:49:38 | whardier | feed him once or twice a day and he is happy |
| 17:49:55 | kaygee | sounds good, keep up the good work |
| 17:50:13 | neurosys | so Bigbosses TK apps work in OZ? |
| 17:50:18 | kergoth | yep |
| 17:50:27 | neurosys | ah ha |
| 17:50:31 | kaygee | kergoth: I thought I saw earlier you had a couple of other things to implement before an rc, is that right? |
| 17:50:47 | kergoth | kaygee: yes. I want the gui environment running as a nonroot user |
| 17:50:57 | kaygee | that would be nice |
| 17:50:59 | kergoth | kaygee: and I'd like a newer kernel |
| 17:51:08 | kaygee | 2.4.19? |
| 17:51:19 | kergoth | kaygee: those two are beyond the sharp rom. there are a few things we need to recreate that sharp didnt release the source for as well |
| 17:51:31 | bipolar | kergoth: why do you want the GUI running as nonroot? |
| 17:51:33 | kergoth | kaygee: well I'm working on 2.5.18.. then I'll backport to 2.4.18 |
| 17:51:42 | kaygee | got ya |
| 17:51:59 | kergoth | bipolar: to remove security concerns. give that user sudo access and run sudo to install packages to the root destination.. |
| 17:52:04 | kaygee | good luck, bbl |
| 17:52:18 | bipolar | kergoth: security concerns? |
| 17:52:40 | bipolar | kergoth: you mean root access over the network or something? |
| 17:52:50 | kergoth | bipolar: yeah |
| 17:53:20 | bipolar | kergoth: couldn't you just secure the root login? |
| 17:53:34 | kergoth | bipolar: hm? you mean have a root password? |
| 17:53:35 | treke | It would also make it a bit tougher to trash an install |
| 17:53:50 | kergoth | yeah, especially since OZ has a writable root |
| 17:54:23 | treke | I'd like to see familiar move to a user+root set up |
| 17:54:32 | kergoth | they couldnt say.. rm /bin/libc-2.2.4.so without knowing enough to sudo/su |
| 17:54:55 | kergoth | basically I want OZ to be good for both end users AND power users. heh |
| 17:56:36 | bipolar | kergoth: yeah, something like that. :) |
| 17:57:06 | neurosys | whats the URL for OZ? |
| 17:58:11 | | kergoth: wish i knew |
| 17:58:11 | kergoth | ibot: oz? |
| 17:58:19 | | OK, kergoth. |
| 17:58:19 | kergoth | ibot oz is see openzaurus |
| 17:58:22 | | somebody said oz was see openzaurus |
| 17:58:22 | kergoth | ibot: oz? |
| 17:58:24 | | well, openzaurus is a Community version of the operating environment for the Sharp Zaurus SL-5x00[d] PDA. See http://openzaurus.sf.net/. or http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/ |
| 17:58:24 | kergoth | ibot: openzaurus? |
| 18:03:24 | neurosys | doesnt Opie have an addressbook? |
| 18:03:35 | whardier | heh |
| 18:04:03 | neurosys | heh? |
| 18:04:14 | whardier | w3m porn |
| 18:04:54 | whardier | if I could find my scanners power cable |
| 18:05:00 | whardier | then you would have more pingi's |
| 18:12:02 | neurosys | sucks the socket and kismet dont work together |
| 18:12:57 | treke | neurosys : yes i does |
| 18:12:58 | neurosys | do you lose Hancom office suite by installing OZ? |
| 18:13:05 | treke | yes you do |
| 18:13:31 | neurosys | :( |
| 18:13:33 | treke | although you can probably back it up before instlling oz |
| 18:14:03 | Nasa | you can just reinstall it... |
| 18:14:15 | neurosys | Just reinstall it in OZ? |
| 18:14:24 | Neo|Work | http://www.guimp.com/ |
| 18:14:47 | Nasa | ah yeah, sure -- I have the 5000d installed on my z (except for presenter, which has a crc error) |
| 18:16:52 | neurosys | what the best WiLAN card to use with the zaurus besides the socket since it doesnt work with kismet? |
| 18:18:48 | benmeyer | buffalo |
| 18:19:25 | neurosys | i never heard of buffalo :( |
| 18:19:59 | W|GGL|T | noticed that japan carries alot of buffalo products |
| 18:20:03 | W|GGL|T | haven't seen them in the US |
| 18:22:05 | neurosys | can you use opie and not OZ? |
| 18:29:01 | kergoth`lunch | neurosys: if you want to hack the sharp rom and replace qtopia with opie, yes. |
| 18:29:09 | neurosys | is it tru the 64megs ram is devided on the zaurus? |
| 18:29:28 | kergoth | neurosys: yes, if it wasnt you'd have no actual space to install anything. |
| 18:29:46 | kergoth | neurosys: all the zaurus has is as 16mb flash, which is not writable.. and the 64mb of ram |
| 18:29:58 | kergoth | neurosys: though flash is writable in oz |
| 18:33:22 | whardier | ~~hmm |
| 18:33:36 | whardier | I either need to switch resolutions or fonts |
| 18:34:24 | nyargh | neurosys: it is split into program and data memory though, yes |
| 18:36:45 | [DrEvil] | shit |
| 18:37:03 | fusion94 | foo |
| 18:37:08 | | JasonNJ was last seen on #zaurus 4 days, 22 hours, 2 minutes and 9 seconds ago, saying: this is like the original powermac all over again [Fri May 24 21:34:59 2002] |
| 18:37:08 | fusion94 | ibot: seen JasonNJ |
| 18:37:44 | benmeyer | fusion94: jason is in Florida for the week |
| 18:37:51 | benmeyer | Anything I can help you with? |
| 18:38:01 | fusion94 | benmeyer: bastard.....vacation ? |
| 18:38:08 | benmeyer | yup |
| 18:38:24 | neurosys | So is everyone here runnig OZ? |
| 18:38:32 | warmi | bastard hehehe |
| 18:38:53 | benmeyer | not yet |
| 18:39:13 | neurosys | your not running OZ yet? |
| 18:39:24 | benmeyer | Too many things to do |
| 18:39:29 | benmeyer | I play with Jasons copy |
| 18:39:57 | neurosys | heh |
| 18:40:46 | neurosys | can you run opie apps on the factory desktop? |
| 18:41:01 | neurosys | like today and the opie addressbook? |
| 18:41:57 | benmeyer | yup |
| 18:42:04 | benmeyer | At least I run today |
| 18:42:14 | neurosys | cool |
| 18:42:42 | neurosys | on resume from suspend, today doesnt come up? |
| 18:42:50 | benmeyer | no |
| 18:42:53 | whardier | yes |
| 18:43:20 | neurosys | no? yes? :-P |
| 18:43:50 | benmeyer | no on the factory, yes in oz |
| 18:43:52 | neurosys | if you run OZ + opie it will come up on rusume. But not Qtopia |
| 18:44:01 | neurosys | ic |
| 18:46:49 | whardier | beep? |
| 18:47:32 | neurosys | Burp |
| 18:49:14 | benmeyer | ping |
| 18:49:15 | benmeyer | pong |
| 18:49:20 | benmeyer | sigh |
| 18:49:28 | benmeyer | cleaning up the howtos isn't much fun |
| 18:49:54 | neurosys | what howtos? |
| 18:50:27 | kergoth | fusion94: I take it the oxygen stuff is still in sharp's court? |
| 18:51:29 | neurosys | can yo use embedded stuff in qtopia? |
| 18:51:38 | kergoth | neurosys: "embedded stuff" <-? |
| 18:51:43 | tux_mike | wheee... FotR once again |
| 18:51:49 | kergoth | FotR? |
| 18:51:52 | neurosys | embedded konsole, etc |
| 18:52:03 | tux_mike | Fellowship of the Ring |
| 18:52:11 | kergoth | neurosys: embedded konsole is just another app. nothign special about it |
| 18:52:15 | [DrEvil] | is syslog part of OZ? |
| 18:52:38 | tux_mike | i love this movie... favorite ever |
| 18:54:10 | fusion94 | kergoth: yeah more or less.....the last copy of hte Master Agreement went out to Spencer and Miura-san at Sharp-USA yesterday where it will be forwarded to Sharp-Legal in Japan.... |
| 18:54:40 | kergoth | fusion94: ah the joys of dealing with huge companies. red tape. |
| 18:54:46 | kergoth | fusion94: cool. |
| 18:55:01 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: syslogd and klogd are built into the busybox on OZ, yes. |
| 18:55:47 | [DrEvil] | but no startup script? |
| 18:55:55 | kergoth | correct. |
| 18:56:01 | kergoth | just run syslogd & klogd at the prompt when you need them |
| 18:56:02 | fusion94 | kergoth: yep and i have a couple of other companies interested as well. i'd really love to put sharp to bed and get the work done already |
| 18:56:19 | kergoth | fusion94: hehe. I'm not surprised, its looking good. :-) |
| 18:57:54 | neurosys | kergoth: fill me in. whats looking good? |
| 18:58:04 | fusion94 | kergoth: and you havent seen any of the good stuff yet |
| 18:58:58 | tux_mike | anyone know where UIC is? |
| 18:59:10 | neurosys | fusion94: whatcha workin on? |
| 19:01:03 | kergoth | UIC? |
| 19:01:10 | fusion94 | neurosys: some sourceforge thingie |
| 19:01:27 | tux_mike | kergoth: yah, i need a m |
| 19:01:30 | tux_mike | binary of uic |
| 19:01:33 | kergoth | ah |
| 19:01:35 | neurosys | that obviously involes sharp and teh zaurus no? |
| 19:02:43 | fusion94 | yep...kinda |
| 19:02:45 | kergoth | re Twiun |
| 19:08:16 | Twiun | hey kergoth |
| 19:14:14 | bipolar_away | is away: I'm just not really here |
| 19:14:35 | treke | tux_mike: Your distribtion should have uic in the qt dev packages |
| 19:17:30 | benmeyer | uic is on zauruszone/feed |
| 19:26:06 | tux_mike | hrm... yah, it is in my dev package... wasn't watching the paths :) |
| 19:28:35 | ljp_hatesQWest | I really dont understand how a whole company can be so inept |
| 19:29:10 | Rince | ljp_hatesQWest: could you please be more specific? Not all KQ is bad. |
| 19:29:13 | tux_mike | hands ljp 2 tons of C4 |
| 19:29:25 | ljp_hatesQWest | hehe wont help |
| 19:30:02 | tux_mike | ten tons? |
| 19:30:05 | Rince | ljp_hatesQWest: for me, it would. I still try to serve our customers the best I can |
| 19:30:19 | Neo|Work | NSI^H^H^HVerisign is an example of the worst kind of a company |
| 19:30:45 | BigBoss | did any of you guys know that Sharp makes money off of every sale on myzaurus.com |
| 19:30:51 | Neo|Work | domains using them should be liberated and the company itself eradicated |
| 19:30:57 | ljp_hatesQWest | supposed to have brought my dsl back by yesterday.. called today and finally got to someone that told me "oh, they brought you up under DMT, (or something) when you need to be CAP |
| 19:31:41 | ljp_hatesQWest | ya wrong frickin protocol for my year old "out dated and not supported" dsl modem |
| 19:32:31 | Neo|Work | have you gotten around extra setup fees and crap? |
| 19:32:43 | NeoHatesNSI | just to match you. |
| 19:32:43 | ljp_hatesQWest | no |
| 19:33:32 | ljp_hatesQWest | the thing that really pisses me off... you can't go to any other company... |
| 19:33:50 | NeoHatesNSI | I am trying to move the last domain I admin away from NSI and they refused the transfer |
| 19:33:57 | NeoHatesNSI | probably because the domain expired |
| 19:34:05 | NeoHatesNSI | note that it was not expired when the transfer was initiated |
| 19:34:11 | NeoHatesNSI | they just waited till it was to deny it |
| 19:35:05 | ljp_hatesQWest | at least I have a choice NOT to use MICROS~1 |
| 19:35:07 | mikeHatesAmerite | darnd |
| 19:35:25 | NeoHatesNSI | how nice of fscking NSI to send me an automatic email response to my complaint |
| 19:35:34 | NeoHatesNSI | I'm guessing that's the ONLY response I'll receive |
| 19:35:39 | tux_mike | yup |
| 19:35:41 | ljp_hatesQWest | whardier: got any spare dishes? |
| 19:36:55 | tux_mike | what charset is Utf8? |
| 19:37:09 | NeoHatesNSI | uh? |
| 19:37:14 | wwelti | anybody has a microdrive? |
| 19:37:27 | NeoHatesNSI | UTF8 is a way to encode any text using 8 bit characters |
| 19:37:32 | NeoHatesNSI | it's unicode |
| 19:37:39 | tux_mike | ah |
| 19:37:59 | tux_mike | hrm... i'm getting an error with opie saying trUtf8 is not found |
| 19:38:11 | NeoHatesNSI | so it could be a subset (say iso-8859-15) or a mix of many "traditional" charsets |
| 19:38:15 | kergoth | tux_mike: sounds like you're using a qt3 uic |
| 19:38:19 | tux_mike | ok |
| 19:38:21 | NeoHatesNSI | exactly so |
| 19:38:42 | tux_mike | yah, i don't think i have qt-2 devel... guess i have to grab it |
| 19:38:44 | tux_mike | oh bother |
| 19:38:52 | kergoth | didnt ben put it up on zz? |
| 19:39:24 | tux_mike | i haven't looked at zz in weeks, and then i don't check anything but the qtopia packages |
| 19:39:48 | kergoth | tux_mike: scroll up. he put it in feed a few minutes ago |
| 19:40:06 | tux_mike | i'm not looking on any feeds... i'll just grab the RPM |
| 19:40:41 | kergoth | yawns |
| 19:42:25 | ljp_hatesQWest | punches the next QWest worker he sees in the belly |
| 19:42:45 | Rince | thx |
| 19:43:49 | ljp_hatesQWest | heh he must work for qwest |
| 19:44:16 | kergoth | ljp_hatesQWest: heh. yep, scroll up :-P |
| 19:44:21 | ljp_hatesQWest | hmm with a .de ip? |
| 19:44:24 | kergoth | ugh long day today |
| 19:45:05 | ljp_hatesQWest | I cant find any info on that part.. its probably a piezo |
| 19:47:04 | ljp_hatesQWest | damn I should done a test with it when I had it opened.. |
| 19:52:21 | kergoth | ljp_hatesQWest: ugh.. we could alter the 3 inlined sounds to be something beyond what a piezo is capable of playing.. hehe |
| 19:52:23 | kergoth | hey hunger |
| 19:59:25 | ljp_hatesQWest | kergoth: think we could get it to play "stairway to heaven"? |
| 20:00:33 | tux_mike | either of you to know where opie/qpe has the buzzer code for the alarms? |
| 20:01:01 | ljp_hatesQWest | yes |
| 20:01:28 | ljp_hatesQWest | its in several parts.. which part do areyou looking for? |
| 20:02:00 | tux_mike | how feasable do you think it be to do different alarms/custom alarms? |
| 20:02:32 | ljp_hatesQWest | on a zaurus, right now.. not very. the sounds are inlined into the driver |
| 20:02:58 | tux_mike | in the driver? |
| 20:03:22 | ljp_hatesQWest | there's room for more sounds... and we are exploring the possibility of making the driver into something that plays |
| 20:03:48 | ljp_hatesQWest | yes 3 sounds are currently implememted, but about 9 are defined |
| 20:04:01 | tux_mike | |
| 20:04:38 | tux_mike | there's no direct ioctl() to play a specifc tone? |
| 20:05:01 | ljp_hatesQWest | nope... not yet... |
| 20:05:12 | tux_mike | how easy could it be implemented? |
| 20:05:44 | kergoth | hmm ljp .. just for shits.. we could remove the ifdef 0 surrounding the audio_write function in the tc35143 driver..a llowing write()'s to dsp1... thatd be a valid test |
| 20:06:20 | ljp_hatesQWest | hmmm but dsp1 is the input chip |
| 20:06:34 | tux_mike | dsp2? |
| 20:07:07 | ljp_hatesQWest | it would have to be dsp2 |
| 20:07:27 | tux_mike | is there allocation on the major/minor numbers for dsp2? |
| 20:09:00 | ljp_hatesQWest | looks like theres dsp2 and dsp3 in /dev |
| 20:09:11 | tux_mike | ok, so there is 4 dsp devices |
| 20:09:48 | ljp_hatesQWest | hmmm |
| 20:10:59 | tux_mike | i wonder what the tonal range is for the buzzer |
| 20:11:01 | ljp_hatesQWest | the buzzer is /dev/sharp_buz |
| 20:11:06 | kergoth | ljp_hatesQWest: dsp1 isnt the 'input chip' |
| 20:11:19 | kergoth | ljp_hatesQWest: dsp1 is the tc35143, which supports both audio in and out, from what i can tell |
| 20:11:40 | tux_mike | what chip is that? |
| 20:11:40 | ljp_hatesQWest | I was under the impression that the input and output were on different chips |
| 20:11:50 | kergoth | ljp_hatesQWest: dsp is a different chip, yes |
| 20:11:55 | kergoth | ljp_hatesQWest: thats for the headphone output |
| 20:12:11 | kergoth | ljp_hatesQWest: but the other one, the tc35143 appears to be connected to the mic and to the 'sounder' |
| 20:12:31 | kergoth | ljp_hatesQWest: take a look at the sharp_buzzer code, in the audio read and write functions |
| 20:13:10 | kergoth | brb |
| 20:14:44 | tux_mike | i wish my iced tea would get done |
| 20:15:18 | ljp_hatesQWest | i wish my dsl would get done |
| 20:17:41 | Guru | hello! |
| 20:17:47 | kergoth | case SHARP_BUZ_KEYSOUND: |
| 20:17:48 | kergoth | Collie_TC35143F_unmute(); |
| 20:17:48 | kergoth | sa1100_dma_queue_buffer(COLLIE_BUZZER_DMA_CHANNEL,(void *) click, click->dma |
| 20:17:48 | kergoth | _addr, click->size); |
| 20:17:49 | kergoth | SLEEP(sync_queue, ONE_SECOND); |
| 20:17:49 | kergoth | break; |
| 20:18:04 | kergoth | bringo. thats in collie_play_sound_by_id in arch/arm/mach-sa1100/collie_buzzer.c |
| 20:18:07 | kergoth | bingo too |
| 20:20:23 | Guru | kergoth: do I have to do something special to get syncing to work in OZ? |
| 20:20:38 | Guru | network is working great, but absolutely no syncing |
| 20:20:55 | kergoth | Guru: only setting the security app to the right ip/mask |
| 20:21:28 | ljp_hatesQWest | what about collie_ssp.c, doesn't it handle input? |
| 20:21:55 | kergoth | // init TC35143f |
| 20:21:55 | kergoth | ucb1200_set_io_direction(TC35143_GPIO_BUZZER_BIAS, TC35143_IODIR_OUTPUT); |
| 20:22:46 | wwelti | while you are tech-talking about audio I/O .. anybody knows if the Z can record at 44100 hz, and if its audio in can be used as line in? |
| 20:22:56 | kergoth | ljp_hatesQWest: nope, thats the interface to the DAC through the SSP mode to access the headphone output. |
| 20:23:08 | kergoth | ljp_hatesQWest: its the collie_tc35143.c that handles the mic input |
| 20:23:18 | kergoth | s/_tc/-tc/ |
| 20:23:58 | ljp_hatesQWest | wwelti: yes it can do 44100, input is mono only |
| 20:24:28 | wwelti | i know... i just didnt manage to get an app running which can do 44100 INPUT |
| 20:24:52 | NeoHatesNSI | kergoth: so supposedly the buzzer should be able to play arbritrary sounds soo? |
| 20:25:17 | kergoth | NeoHatesNSI: the DAC can, yes. The question is, did sharp use a speaker, or a piezo. |
| 20:25:31 | ljp_hatesQWest | kergoth: all I know is that you must call /dev/dsp1 for any input |
| 20:25:39 | kergoth | ljp_hatesQWest: yep. |
| 20:25:52 | kergoth | ljp_hatesQWest: collie-tc35143.c is dsp1 .. |
| 20:27:11 | kergoth | ljp_hatesQWest: collie_ssp.c is dsp |
| 20:27:14 | kergoth | :-) |
| 20:28:02 | ljp_hatesQWest | knows kernel code from a hole in the ground |
| 20:28:03 | tux_mike | god damn i wish my laptop was still running |
| 20:29:17 | hunger | anyone got gdb on his Z? |
| 20:29:24 | tux_mike | i can't seem to get shit compiled >< |
| 20:32:29 | BigBoss | anyone here using myzaurus to sell software? |
| 20:32:57 | NeoHatesNSI | hunger: yes |
| 20:33:11 | NeoHatesNSI | BigBoss: what do you mean? myzaurus is handango |
| 20:33:15 | BigBoss | sort of |
| 20:33:22 | BigBoss | handango takes 30% right? |
| 20:33:28 | BigBoss | well myzaurus is tiered |
| 20:33:31 | BigBoss | sharp gets a cut |
| 20:33:47 | BigBoss | so if it sold through myzaurus then it is 30% up to 10k |
| 20:33:51 | NeoHatesNSI | they still charge 40% unless you sell a lot |
| 20:33:57 | BigBoss | then it is 40% up to 50k |
| 20:34:00 | BigBoss | then it is 50% |
| 20:34:00 | NeoHatesNSI | http://handango.com/sharp/ == myzaurus.com |
| 20:34:03 | BigBoss | but this is for a YEAR |
| 20:34:04 | NeoHatesNSI | right |
| 20:34:07 | BigBoss | not per month |
| 20:34:15 | BigBoss | once you exceed that threshold, you are there |
| 20:34:24 | NeoHatesNSI | you can't really stop the sales to originate from myzaurus.com however |
| 20:34:33 | BigBoss | yes, but if you got to handango.com and select Linux from the left panel, then it is a handango sale |
| 20:34:46 | BigBoss | well Sharp makes a percentage of those myzaurus sales |
| 20:34:50 | NeoHatesNSI | put it on handango == it will be both in "linux" and in the zaurus branded store |
| 20:34:54 | BigBoss | lovely way to encourage developers |
| 20:35:06 | BigBoss | right - you can't control it, but they know where the sale comes from |
| 20:35:11 | tux_mike | BigBoss: no kidding. |
| 20:35:36 | NeoHatesNSI | right |
| 20:35:59 | kergoth | ack, i didnt realize they changed irq handling in 2.5.2-rmk5 .. |
| 20:36:04 | NeoHatesNSI | I don't see why the damn cut gets higher if you sell well though |
| 20:36:09 | NeoHatesNSI | it should, if anything, get lower imho |
| 20:36:13 | BigBoss | so what is your incentive to sell more? |
| 20:36:18 | BigBoss | they charge more |
| 20:36:25 | NeoHatesNSI | I find that very odd myself |
| 20:36:30 | BigBoss | I just had a big argument with handango about it |
| 20:36:40 | NeoHatesNSI | and what did they say? too bad/ |
| 20:36:40 | NeoHatesNSI | ? |
| 20:36:55 | BigBoss | well for the Linux space we are the biggest developer so they don't want to loose us |
| 20:37:02 | BigBoss | I don't have any results yet |
| 20:37:10 | BigBoss | but I'll pull most or all of our software |
| 20:37:30 | BigBoss | their come back was that they could charge us a lower rate if we also used them as the ecommerce site for our site |
| 20:37:45 | NeoHatesNSI | anyone tried qhorse yet? :) It's on handango now |
| 20:37:46 | BigBoss | I already have ecommerce, so now they want me to pay them 20% on EVERYTHING I have? no way |
| 20:37:56 | BigBoss | we sell more from our site anyway |
| 20:38:05 | NeoHatesNSI | 15% from direct links actually |
| 20:38:06 | tux_mike | BigBoss: that's rediculus... |
| 20:38:53 | BigBoss | my in-laws would love Qhorse |
| 20:39:21 | tux_mike | doesn't intend on buying anything from myzaurus that can't be gotten directly from the developer. |
| 20:39:25 | tux_mike | never really have |
| 20:40:06 | NeoHatesNSI | most people do though, at least from my experience |
| 20:40:44 | NeoHatesNSI | BigBoss: maybe I should ask them about it too |
| 20:40:47 | BigBoss | most of our customers switch to buying from us later |
| 20:40:53 | tux_mike | i don't like those places that take a huge chunk of the sale |
| 20:41:06 | BigBoss | well it's not going to make a difference for you till you hit 10k in sales |
| 20:41:28 | NeoHatesNSI | right |
| 20:41:33 | NeoHatesNSI | which I might do this year if I'm lucky |
| 20:41:42 | NeoHatesNSI | I guess it's 10K from myzaurus.com too |
| 20:43:01 | BigBoss | I think they are partitioned |
| 20:43:11 | BigBoss | so 10k from myzaurus alone doesn't include at handango |
| 20:49:46 | kergoth | hah. i lvoe reading this code |
| 20:49:47 | kergoth | printk(KERN_ERR "Danger Will Robinson: failed to " |
| 20:49:48 | kergoth | "re-trigger IRQ%d\n", irq); |
| 20:50:10 | kergoth | printk(KERN_ERR "Danger Will Robinson: failed to " |
| 20:50:14 | kergoth | er, oops |
| 20:56:59 | Guru | argh, cannot synchronize with OZ even with security set to ANY |
| 20:57:21 | kergoth | try giving it the ip+mask instead of ANY |
| 20:58:35 | Guru | hmmm.. still no go. my IP address on my workstation is 192.168.1.24 |
| 20:58:49 | Guru | So on the Z, i set "Accept Sync from Network: 192.168.1.0/24" |
| 20:59:03 | kergoth | and what happens if you try to ftp to port 4242 on the Z? |
| 20:59:06 | kergoth | connection refused? |
| 20:59:35 | Guru | what is the ip address of my Z when it's in the usb cradle? |
| 21:00:04 | Guru | i'm not sure what ip address to ftp to |
| 21:00:52 | Guru | ahh.. nevermind: ifconfig reports 192.168.129.201 |
| 21:00:54 | Guru | lemme try the ftp |
| 21:01:28 | kergoth | I take it your desktop is set to a mask of 255.255.0.0 on the usb interface? |
| 21:01:55 | kergoth | and the same for your netmask in /etc/hotplug/usbd.conf? |
| 21:04:40 | Guru | hmmm.. on my desktop (win98), in network properties->SL Series, the IP/netmask "obtain IP address automatically" box is checked. |
| 21:05:41 | Guru | and I cannot find /etc/hotplug/usbd.conf on my Z |
| 21:05:55 | Guru | do you mean usbdnet.conf? |
| 21:06:44 | Guru | usbdnet.conf on my Z shows: IP=192.168.129.201, NETMASK=255.255.255.0, DHCPS=yes, DHCPC=no |
| 21:07:44 | Guru | and I cannot ftp to my Z on port 4242 |
| 21:08:13 | Guru | I haven't changed any settings on my desktop machine, which used to be able to sync with my Z on the Sharp ROM |
| 21:09:25 | kergoth | Guru: OZ doesnt supply a dhcp server. you must enter the ip into your network config on the destkop. |
| 21:09:28 | kergoth | desktop too |
| 21:09:35 | kergoth | Guru: for the moment anyway.. i'll add it |
| 21:10:12 | Guru | ahhh.. okay, lemme try |
| 21:10:15 | Guru | brb |
| 21:10:21 | Guru | (win98 gotta rebooooooot) |
| 21:10:41 | CloudChaser | hello everyone |
| 21:11:36 | BigBoss | hi CC |
| 21:12:07 | CloudChaser | :) |
| 21:12:39 | CloudChaser | well I used my Z for the commute on the train today |
| 21:12:49 | CloudChaser | i'm quite disappointed with battery time |
| 21:13:24 | CloudChaser | didn't last me there and back which is....3 hours tops |
| 21:13:40 | CloudChaser | going to have to check out other options like an external battery pack if there is such a thing |
| 21:14:21 | CloudChaser | pretty hard to show it off if its battery is dead.. |
| 21:14:39 | Guru | hey I'm back... good news and bad news |
| 21:14:50 | Guru | the good news is my desktop can now communicate w/my Z |
| 21:14:55 | CloudChaser | yay! |
| 21:15:21 | Guru | bad news is: "This version of Intellisync SL does not match the version on your Zaurus. Intellisync SL will now exit." |
| 21:15:54 | nems | Doh.. that sucks. |
| 21:16:10 | Guru | Same with file xfer: "This version of File Transfer does not match the version on your Zaurus. File Transfer will now exit." |
| 21:16:21 | nyargh | CloudChaser: dim the backlight |
| 21:16:24 | nyargh | er frontlight |
| 21:16:31 | CloudChaser | if i dim it, i cant see it |
| 21:16:38 | nyargh | remove your eyes |
| 21:16:40 | nyargh | place in ass |
| 21:16:43 | Guru | kergoth: any ideas? =) |
| 21:16:49 | Guru | nyargh: hahaha |
| 21:17:10 | Guru | CloudChaser: what are you trying to do? |
| 21:17:28 | CloudChaser | i have 1.5 hour train ride to nyc... |
| 21:17:36 | CloudChaser | then i had a meeting which i used it for some notes |
| 21:17:45 | Guru | okay. |
| 21:17:51 | Guru | you have 5000D or 5500? |
| 21:17:53 | CloudChaser | then i got back on train and started to use it and got ...low battery |
| 21:17:54 | CloudChaser | 5500 |
| 21:18:04 | Guru | really? |
| 21:18:13 | Guru | 100% backlight? any accessories (cf/sd/etc?) |
| 21:18:30 | CloudChaser | cf |
| 21:18:34 | CloudChaser | which i could take out |
| 21:18:47 | CloudChaser | and will next time cept i put a couple games on it ;) |
| 21:18:57 | Guru | i understand you should minimally get a bit over 2hrs w/100% frontlight |
| 21:19:20 | CloudChaser | right.. that's not enough if i have no charger access during the day |
| 21:19:36 | Guru | I've gotten over 3hrs with 25% backlight and cf 802.11b connected to internet |
| 21:19:48 | CloudChaser | wow i got less than hour with mine |
| 21:19:49 | Guru | i know i've gotten over 2 hrs with the same setup and 100% backlight |
| 21:20:01 | treke | CloudChaser : Have you tried turning the backlight down? Maybe you dont need it at 100% to see it well |
| 21:20:08 | whardier | I am suck a punk |
| 21:20:11 | whardier | err |
| 21:20:13 | whardier | haha |
| 21:20:16 | whardier | such a punk |
| 21:20:17 | Guru | kergoth: help... =( |
| 21:20:48 | Guru | CloudChaser: i'll bet 75% backlight will work just fine and you wont notice a difference |
| 21:21:11 | CloudChaser | ok i'll try it |
| 21:21:16 | Guru | make sure you have it fully charged before you leave in the morning.. it could be your cf is a god |
| 21:21:18 | Guru | oops hog |
| 21:21:47 | Guru | what brand cf do you use? I understand that certain brands are real bad when it comes to power consumption |
| 21:22:06 | CloudChaser | its a Lexar |
| 21:22:18 | CloudChaser | has anyone seen this: http://www.erwincomputers.com/digdpnimexba1.html |
| 21:23:02 | kergoth | Guru: not using the latest intellisync software? |
| 21:23:04 | kergoth | hey MSpin |
| 21:23:10 | CloudChaser | well maybe not that one but they have others |
| 21:23:17 | MSpin | heya kergoth |
| 21:23:27 | HrAbbey | CloudChaser: did you change your colors to better contrast? I find that Yellow & black (while ugly) helps me see the screen |
| 21:24:02 | Guru | kergoth: I'm using the intellisync that came on the Zaurus CD. I was not aware that a newer version might be avail.. lemme check |
| 21:24:41 | kergoth | Guru: yep, the cd one is old |
| 21:24:54 | Guru | kergoth: Im at myzaurus.com and cannot find any intellsync software for dnloading. |
| 21:24:58 | whardier | hahaAGGh |
| 21:25:05 | whardier | nobody told me the bootflag changed! |
| 21:25:05 | kergoth | Guru: 5000d or 5500? |
| 21:25:10 | Guru | kergoth: 5500 |
| 21:25:12 | kergoth | whardier: who cares? |
| 21:25:14 | kergoth | whardier: heh |
| 21:25:15 | whardier | err |
| 21:25:16 | whardier | hmm |
| 21:25:18 | whardier | good point |
| 21:25:26 | whardier | would that stop it from loading the new images? |
| 21:25:26 | whardier | haha |
| 21:25:36 | whardier | sorrt still trying to finger out why my Z won't boot |
| 21:25:38 | kergoth | bootflag.txt only influences runlevel |
| 21:25:40 | hunger | Anyone knows which lib contains stat and fstat ? |
| 21:25:54 | MSpin | prolly libc |
| 21:25:59 | kergoth | Guru: ah, so it should be latest.. hmm... did you change your homedir on the Z? |
| 21:26:03 | whardier | tool tool tool tool tool |
| 21:26:18 | hunger | MSpin: That's bad... That one should be included;-) |
| 21:26:19 | whardier | wants better datafab drivers |
| 21:26:32 | Guru | kergoth: nope.. I did, however, update the kernel modules |
| 21:26:35 | whardier | or to be able to use usb-uhci without fail |
| 21:26:44 | Guru | kergoth: and I updated opie-base package |
| 21:26:45 | MSpin | kergoth: did you see my msg about the wlansetup thingy? |
| 21:26:47 | kergoth | Guru: that doesnt matter.. hmm |
| 21:26:56 | kergoth | MSpin: that it should output ESSID not SSID? heh |
| 21:27:10 | kergoth | MSpin: or that it shouldnt output CHANNEL for Managed? |
| 21:27:26 | MSpin | kergoth: the ESSID thing |
| 21:27:36 | kergoth | yeah |
| 21:27:52 | Guru | kergoth: I cannot find a newer Intellisync software |
| 21:27:57 | MSpin | kergoth: cool |
| 21:28:10 | MSpin | needs a new PS for the webserver grrrr |
| 21:28:16 | MSpin | it runs for 30min then dies |
| 21:28:32 | kergoth | MSpin: just saw a message on bugtraq on a security hold in kismet.. fixe d in 2.2.2 .. heh |
| 21:28:37 | kergoth | MSpin: eh that sucks |
| 21:28:45 | kergoth | Guru: yes i know |
| 21:28:49 | MSpin | ooo...security holes, fun:) |
| 21:28:52 | kergoth | Guru: cat /root/systeminfo/linkver |
| 21:29:03 | kergoth | May 28 2002 2.2.2 !! 2.2.2 released - fixes potentially exploitable remote |
| 21:29:04 | kergoth | hole in Festival saytext. !! |
| 21:29:11 | whardier | I need a malitia of Zaurii |
| 21:29:15 | kergoth | May 27 2002 2.2.1 !! 2.2.1 released - potentially exploitable local root hole fixed |
| 21:29:19 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:29:25 | kergoth | malitia? wtf is that |
| 21:29:28 | Guru | kergoth: oz30 |
| 21:29:31 | whardier | err |
| 21:29:33 | whardier | spell it |
| 21:29:44 | whardier | malitia? |
| 21:29:47 | whardier | damn I suck |
| 21:29:49 | kergoth | Guru: try changing it to 113 |
| 21:29:51 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:29:53 | | whardier: sorry... |
| 21:29:53 | whardier | ibot spell my name backwards in ROT13 |
| 21:29:54 | kergoth | no argument there |
| 21:30:07 | whardier | man |
| 21:30:07 | Guru | kergoth: you mean changing the linkver file to read 113? |
| 21:30:11 | kergoth | Guru: yes |
| 21:30:13 | whardier | did you just agree to my sucking!? |
| 21:30:27 | kergoth | hell yeah |
| 21:30:28 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:30:28 | whardier | let it be known that kergoth agrees when whardier sucks. |
| 21:30:33 | kergoth | hah |
| 21:30:55 | whardier | my new machines name is simple |
| 21:30:57 | whardier | BastarD |
| 21:31:08 | kergoth | whardier: I had to change up the irq handlers in the collie shit.. they changed interfaces on me.. grr |
| 21:31:10 | kergoth | nice |
| 21:31:12 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:31:13 | MSpin | well, time to release kismet_qt and hte new wlanmon |
| 21:31:19 | kergoth | cool cool |
| 21:31:22 | kergoth | hows kismet_qt coming? |
| 21:31:26 | whardier | fucking zaurus will not boot damnit |
| 21:31:32 | whardier | I wonder if my on button is toast. |
| 21:31:37 | kergoth | MSpin: hey i noticed a patch for the orinoco drivers to enable rf montior support.. |
| 21:31:48 | kergoth | MSpin: since the socket driver is based on orinoco... it may be useful |
| 21:31:50 | Guru | kergoth: ok.. i changed linkver from oz30 to 113. I tried syncing again and I get the same message about the version not being the same |
| 21:31:56 | Guru | kergoth: should I reboot? |
| 21:31:59 | kergoth | Guru: no. |
| 21:32:08 | kergoth | Guru: i dont remember what the content of that damn file should be |
| 21:32:18 | whardier | hmm |
| 21:32:25 | kergoth | someone on a sharp rom cat /root/systeminfo/linkver please |
| 21:32:26 | whardier | this suxors |
| 21:32:28 | MSpin | kergoth: hrm, I thought it was working on the socket for some reason |
| 21:32:37 | whardier | this is the second complete re download of OZ |
| 21:32:42 | whardier | and second write to CF |
| 21:32:44 | whardier | and still no booty |
| 21:32:48 | kergoth | MSpin: remember.. the private ioctls (iwpriv).. there's no 'monitor' listed |
| 21:32:57 | whardier | doesn't even scream in pain when I flash it |
| 21:33:41 | MSpin | kergoth: ahh, true |
| 21:34:30 | kergoth | obviously the hardware supports it.. its just prism based, without firmware loaded |
| 21:34:33 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:34:34 | Guru | anyone on their Z right now? can someone cat /root/systeminfo/linkver? thankx |
| 21:35:48 | kergoth | re ljp |
| 21:35:58 | hunger | kergoth: Does busybox build for you? |
| 21:36:03 | Guru | hello ljp |
| 21:36:28 | hunger | kergoth: It stops with "undefined reference to `atexit'" here. |
| 21:36:44 | kergoth | hunger: it builds |
| 21:37:10 | whardier | runs around cursing |
| 21:37:15 | whardier | what if my Z never boots again! |
| 21:37:23 | whardier | fret for your lawsuit |
| 21:37:28 | whardier | and fret for your headpeice |
| 21:37:30 | hunger | kergoth: Do you have atexit in your libc? |
| 21:37:31 | whardier | and fret for your contract |
| 21:37:33 | whardier | and fret for your taco |
| 21:37:42 | Guru | whardier: before you do anything to your z, can you cat /root/systeminfo/linkver for me? |
| 21:37:46 | Guru | =) |
| 21:38:08 | CloudChaser | hmm says no such file or directory |
| 21:38:17 | whardier | its too late for that |
| 21:38:23 | Guru | =( |
| 21:38:28 | whardier | Z is no booty |
| 21:38:29 | Guru | CloudChaser: no file? |
| 21:38:31 | kergoth | CloudChaser: try /home/root/systeminfo/linkver |
| 21:38:33 | whardier | I might have a bad cf writer |
| 21:39:01 | CloudChaser | ah that worked |
| 21:39:06 | CloudChaser | nkver 1.1 |
| 21:39:21 | Guru | kergoth: try "nkver 1.1"? |
| 21:39:24 | CloudChaser | er |
| 21:39:26 | CloudChaser | sorry |
| 21:39:27 | CloudChaser | wait |
| 21:39:37 | Guru | ok |
| 21:39:49 | CloudChaser | just says 1.1 |
| 21:39:51 | hunger | kergoth: What do I have to do to rebuild libc6? |
| 21:39:54 | MSpin | anyone want to sanity check a couple packages???:) http://www.cs.washington.edu/homes/jjhuff/wlanmon_1.7.0_arm.ipk and http://www.cs.washington.edu/homes/jjhuff/kismet-qt_1.0.0_arm.ipk |
| 21:39:55 | kergoth | ~/buildroot-oz/build/kernel/v2.5/arch/arm/mach-sa1100$ nm --defined-only ../../. |
| 21:39:56 | kergoth | ./../../../staging/lib/libc-2.2.4.so | grep atexit\@ |
| 21:39:56 | kergoth | 00036210 T atexit@GLIBC_2.0 |
| 21:40:15 | kergoth | Guru: change it to 1.1 then |
| 21:40:15 | hunger | kergoth: I rmed build/libc6* build/stamps/libc6* sources/ipks/libc6* |
| 21:40:38 | kergoth | hunger: touch build/stamps/glibc*/stamp-sourcetree |
| 21:40:54 | Guru | CloudChaser: thanks.. lemme try that. Do you have an 5000D or 5500? |
| 21:42:35 | whardier | is gonna be happy when I can use kismet in a uml |
| 21:43:21 | Guru | kergoth: Yeah! It works now! |
| 21:43:26 | kergoth | whardier: you're just sick and twisted |
| 21:43:28 | Guru | CloudChaser: thanks for your help! |
| 21:43:35 | kergoth | Guru: k i'll fix for the next build and note it in the README |
| 21:43:44 | Guru | kergoth: you want me to submit to bug tracker? |
| 21:43:50 | kergoth | Guru: nope, I got it |
| 21:43:55 | kergoth | thanks though |
| 21:43:55 | CloudChaser | i have a 5500 |
| 21:43:56 | Guru | kergoth: cool! thanks |
| 21:44:08 | whardier | finds a bungee cord for his jaw as he comes across emdebian |
| 21:44:30 | ljp | heh debian aint that great |
| 21:44:35 | kergoth | ljp: evil! |
| 21:44:47 | ljp | :D |
| 21:44:50 | kergoth | smacks ljp with a set of rpm dependencies |
| 21:44:54 | treke | looks for his shotgun |
| 21:45:20 | Guru | kergoth: actually, I think i submitted a file xfer bug already to bug tracker |
| 21:45:24 | ljp | ahhh so I see.. debian users are finatics |
| 21:45:27 | Guru | so its probably already in there |
| 21:45:29 | kergoth | Guru: k i'll take a look |
| 21:45:31 | kergoth | ljp: hah |
| 21:45:56 | treke | Although I'd like to see them fit the 11meg package files on a 16mb flash :) |
| 21:46:10 | ljp | debian shouldn't run software thats not free... |
| 21:46:14 | whardier | ljp: your brain cells are already dead... |
| 21:46:28 | treke | ljp : come towards the light. There still may be time |
| 21:47:14 | ljp | it shoudl pop up a window "sorry, we can execute this binary, because its simply not free" |
| 21:47:27 | kergoth | s/can/cant/ |
| 21:47:42 | ljp | hey why isnt it GNU/debian?? huh? |
| 21:47:49 | Guru | kergoth: wireless lan mon (http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=76) doesn't seem to work under OZ. You can install w/force-depends, but it doesn't function properly |
| 21:47:53 | treke | because its Debian GNU/Linux |
| 21:48:01 | kergoth | Guru: pester MSpin ;-) |
| 21:48:08 | ljp | but linux isnt gnu |
| 21:48:28 | ljp | is pickin for a fight |
| 21:48:30 | treke | No but there is a GNU/Linux operating system, and it's the debian version of it |
| 21:48:32 | kergoth | noticed |
| 21:48:37 | Guru | MSpin: did ya get that? |
| 21:48:39 | treke | wants a fight |
| 21:48:39 | Guru | hehe |
| 21:48:46 | MSpin | Guru: yeah |
| 21:48:59 | MSpin | try this: http://www.cs.washington.edu/homes/jjhuff/wlanmon_1.7.0_arm.ipk |
| 21:49:03 | Guru | MSpin: are you the author of Wireless Monitor? |
| 21:49:04 | ljp | shoudl be GNU/Debian... |
| 21:49:10 | MSpin | Guru: yup:) |
| 21:49:29 | ljp | should even.. linux is the kernel.. and its not gnu... |
| 21:49:31 | treke | Unless its Debian FreeBSD |
| 21:49:45 | Guru | MSpin: cool! I love your app! |
| 21:49:48 | ljp | how about Debian Windows? |
| 21:49:48 | treke | or Debian Win32 |
| 21:49:53 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:49:59 | treke | Actually I think its Debian w32 |
| 21:50:16 | Nasa | ok, so why don't we get sound with our mpegs? |
| 21:50:26 | kergoth | you dont get sound with your mpegs? |
| 21:50:40 | MSpin | Guru: thanks:) |
| 21:50:41 | Nasa | nope, sure don't... |
| 21:50:45 | kergoth | hmm |
| 21:50:49 | kergoth | Nasa: do mp3s play fine? |
| 21:50:57 | Nasa | Sure do |
| 21:51:01 | kergoth | k |
| 21:51:13 | kergoth | ljp: ideas? they say audio isnt playing when they play mpegs. |
| 21:51:24 | Guru | kergoth: where does oz put files that you xfer over via the file transfer desktop utility? |
| 21:51:28 | Guru | intellisync |
| 21:51:28 | ljp | hmm.. read lips... |
| 21:51:46 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:51:48 | ljp | heh ok.. I'll look into that tonight |
| 21:51:49 | Guru | kergoth: nevermind! found it |
| 21:52:38 | ljp | although I may have to drink tonight |
| 21:53:52 | kergoth | i'm bout done adding the basic collie machine type back into 2.5.18.. whee.. next I add collie into the fb driver for the 3rd time.. |
| 21:53:59 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:54:11 | kergoth | i need to backup more |
| 21:55:01 | ljp | ya know.. they have very easily let us play tones through sharp_buz |
| 21:55:21 | kergoth | i know. half of its already in there |
| 21:55:24 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:56:11 | ljp | return 0; puh |
| 21:56:33 | MSpin | how can I get it not to suspect from code? |
| 21:56:40 | MSpin | err |
| 21:56:44 | MSpin | suspend |
| 21:57:18 | ljp | qcop QPE/System disableSuspend() |
| 21:57:25 | ljp | I think something like that |
| 21:57:42 | MSpin | ahh, cool |
| 21:58:19 | MSpin | it'd be nice if kismet_qt had a mode where it didn't suspend:) |
| 21:58:33 | Nasa | oh, one more question -- why does the clock change times whenever I resume (I did remove the hw clock as kergoth instructed) |
| 22:00:57 | kergoth | Nasa: hold.. I have to update the atd package.. havent had time... |
| 22:01:01 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:01:10 | Nasa | ok, that's cool.... |
| 22:02:15 | kergoth | MSpin: very good idea. I hate it when it suspends on me in kismet |
| 22:03:01 | MSpin | yesh |
| 22:03:13 | MSpin | Guru: did that package work for ya? |
| 22:04:51 | [DrEvil] | MSpin: kismet_qt still only runs when there is no existing /etc/kismet_wt file |
| 22:06:02 | MSpin | was is kismet_qt for? |
| 22:06:05 | MSpin | err |
| 22:06:12 | MSpin | kismet_wt? |
| 22:06:20 | [DrEvil] | whatever the confi file it writes to /etc |
| 22:06:51 | kergoth | no idea |
| 22:06:52 | MSpin | it has to do with PCMCIA wierdness |
| 22:07:00 | MSpin | kismet_qt.conf |
| 22:07:03 | [DrEvil] | yeah |
| 22:07:15 | MSpin | I only have limited control overthat |
| 22:07:32 | kergoth | MSpin: do you spawn the server as well? |
| 22:07:34 | kergoth | re ljp |
| 22:07:40 | [DrEvil] | ljp will fix the pcmcia stuff |
| 22:07:43 | ljp | hi |
| 22:07:50 | ljp | hmmm who me? |
| 22:07:51 | MSpin | I might be able to give you a version that doesn't spawn the server and see if you can get the commands needed |
| 22:07:54 | MSpin | kergoth: yeah |
| 22:08:10 | kergoth | ah |
| 22:08:26 | ljp | who asked me how to disable suspend? I was wrong |
| 22:08:31 | MSpin | I did |
| 22:09:00 | ljp | QPE/System setScreenSaverMode(int) << QPEApplication::DisableSuspend |
| 22:09:29 | ljp | and QPEApplication::Enable |
| 22:11:19 | tux_mike | kergoth: are you ever gonna put ttf support into OZ's qt/e? |
| 22:11:46 | ljp | ya kergoth... hmmm? |
| 22:12:38 | kergoth | tux_mike: if i find the time.. feel free to get it working yourself :-P |
| 22:13:23 | tux_mike | kergoth: my box ain't compiling shit. gcc seems to be working like someone using jello to hammer in a nail |
| 22:13:34 | kergoth | fun fun |
| 22:13:45 | ljp | we need #define SHARP_BUZ_CUSTOMSOUND |
| 22:13:57 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:14:04 | kergoth | too bad it doesnt work atm eh |
| 22:14:26 | kergoth | think we should start implementing those unimplemented aspects of the buzzer api? |
| 22:14:52 | tux_mike | kergoth: i know what to uncomment in qt/e, if you can spare the few moments to compile it for me :) |
| 22:14:55 | ljp | ya.. I'll record myself saying "you got mail' |
| 22:15:09 | kergoth | tux_mike: email the info to me so i dont forget about it. |
| 22:15:12 | tux_mike | i'll test it with OZ b10, which i should install tonight |
| 22:15:13 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:15:15 | ljp | r add star trek sounds |
| 22:15:17 | | kergoth is, like, available at mailto:kergoth@digitalnemesis.net |
| 22:15:17 | tux_mike | ibot kergoth |
| 22:16:36 | whardier | I want my bitsy |
| 22:16:44 | whardier | looks at it a little longer |
| 22:16:48 | whardier | its so cute! |
| 22:16:55 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:17:06 | kergoth | i have its block diagram printed out on my desk |
| 22:17:25 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:17:59 | ljp | kergoth: know anyway to convert a wav file into a char[] for source code? |
| 22:19:12 | MSpin | perl:) |
| 22:19:28 | kergoth | ljp: couldnt you write a quick function to output it in hex in the right byte order? |
| 22:19:35 | kergoth | would be simple enough |
| 22:20:25 | tux_mike | kergoth: sent |
| 22:20:28 | kergoth | whardier: the bitsy seems nifty. has a sa1111 chip.. ucb1200.. uda1341 audio codec.. |
| 22:20:32 | kergoth | tux_mike: k cool |
| 22:20:33 | ljp | ya suppose so... someone has to have written something likethat already |
| 22:20:40 | kergoth | would think so |
| 22:20:55 | kergoth | ljp: use qembed. i bet thatd do the job |
| 22:21:00 | kergoth | ljp: isnt that whats its for? heh |
| 22:22:04 | kergoth | brb, need to staple some docs |
| 22:22:30 | ljp | huh qembed? |
| 22:22:41 | whardier | supa ado hoco modeo |
| 22:23:51 | ljp | heh oh.. hmmmmm |
| 22:26:11 | ljp | heheheh yep thats it |
| 22:26:42 | ljp | nice |
| 22:27:20 | ljp | we can have a contest 'guess whos voice' |
| 22:27:33 | whardier | neat |
| 22:27:41 | whardier | I sound like a muchroom with a mouth |
| 22:27:44 | whardier | mushroom |
| 22:27:45 | whardier | lala |
| 22:27:50 | whardier | and I mispell things when I talk |
| 22:28:36 | ljp | you spell like a mushroom with a mouth |
| 22:30:09 | ljp | ok bbl... |
| 22:47:27 | _MiniMe_ | hmm |
| 22:50:13 | kergoth`home | ttyl |
| 22:51:45 | whardier | flarp |
| 22:58:07 | nems | damnit |
| 22:58:10 | whardier | heh |
| 22:58:14 | nems | My wireless was working and now it isnt |
| 22:58:16 | whardier | I am openprojects k-lined |
| 22:58:23 | whardier | wonderfull no |
| 22:59:37 | whardier | err |
| 23:02:41 | VerxHome | heh |
| 23:02:49 | VerxHome | I just went to fry's electronics |
| 23:02:53 | VerxHome | they had a zaurus there |
| 23:02:56 | VerxHome | it was pretty sad |
| 23:03:11 | treke | Why do you say that? |
| 23:03:18 | VerxHome | when I first saw it, at bootup, it scrolled nothing but the letter f |
| 23:03:22 | VerxHome | then I rebooted it |
| 23:03:30 | VerxHome | and it couldn't find its root partition |
| 23:03:34 | VerxHome | that is just sad |
| 23:03:46 | treke | maybe someone reflashed it :) |
| 23:03:47 | [DrEvil] | did you put it out of it's misery? |
| 23:03:54 | VerxHome | drevil: hehehe, nope |
| 23:04:02 | VerxHome | I don't know enough about them to know how to reflash it |
| 23:04:08 | VerxHome | regardless |
| 23:04:11 | VerxHome | having seen it |
| 23:04:20 | VerxHome | I am VERY VERY much more happy with my ipaq 3850 |
| 23:04:26 | [DrEvil] | you could have done a hard reset |
| 23:04:28 | treke | agrees with VerxHome |
| 23:04:32 | [DrEvil] | you know how to to those |
| 23:04:35 | VerxHome | its smaller and has tons more capabilities |
| 23:04:45 | VerxHome | drevil: It has a pinhole in the back |
| 23:04:54 | VerxHome | but none of my stylii would reach far enough in to reset it |
| 23:04:59 | [DrEvil] | that isn't for resetting |
| 23:05:02 | VerxHome | oh |
| 23:05:03 | VerxHome | heh |
| 23:05:05 | VerxHome | nevermind then |
| 23:05:06 | [DrEvil] | you have to take off the battery cover |
| 23:05:14 | [DrEvil] | there is a button in there |
| 23:05:17 | treke | VerxHome : Once you start adding a wireless card, the size benefit starts disappearing |
| 23:05:19 | VerxHome | oh, ok |
| 23:05:31 | VerxHome | treke: How do you figure? |
| 23:06:00 | VerxHome | the ipaq will NEVER be as long as the zaurus |
| 23:06:07 | VerxHome | even with the zaurus keyboard slid in |
| 23:06:22 | VerxHome | and the CF sleeve is really not that much thicker than the native ipaq |
| 23:06:27 | VerxHome | especially not when you mod it |
| 23:06:28 | VerxHome | :) |
| 23:06:37 | treke | VerxHome : You can add a wireless network card without significantly increasing the size of the zaurus. Adding a wireless card to the ipaq makes it significantly thicker ( unless you mod it) |
| 23:07:02 | treke | A CF sleeve is around another third of the width isnt it? |
| 23:07:15 | VerxHome | the width doesn't change at all |
| 23:07:17 | VerxHome | with sleeves |
| 23:07:25 | VerxHome | I mean, a few millimeters, if that even |
| 23:07:26 | treke | er thickness |
| 23:07:36 | treke | Yeah width is negligable |
| 23:07:45 | VerxHome | oh, it is about a CF card in thickness more thick with the mod'd cf sleeve |
| 23:07:51 | VerxHome | and only right where the cf card itself is |
| 23:08:04 | VerxHome | without the mod, it is a CF card thicker the entire length |
| 23:08:11 | VerxHome | but CF cards aren't THAT thick. :) |
| 23:08:22 | VerxHome | besides, at this point, I wouldn't give up PCMCIA |
| 23:08:28 | VerxHome | hell, I can do SCSI on my ipaq |
| 23:08:28 | VerxHome | :) |
| 23:08:29 | HrAbbey | I'm guessing the size difference between Z & Ipaq is pretty negligable, unless you like the keyboard. |
| 23:08:45 | VerxHome | HrAbbey: Actually, no |
| 23:08:48 | treke | Start adding a pcmcia sleeve you got some major thickness additions :) |
| 23:08:49 | HrAbbey | Yeah, I really want to try an CF->PCMCIA on the Z. |
| 23:08:50 | VerxHome | the Z is a lot longer |
| 23:09:07 | VerxHome | treke: That is VERY VERY true, but I love having the capability |
| 23:09:22 | VerxHome | even without pulling out the keyboard on the Z, it is too long for me |
| 23:09:35 | treke | VerxHome : Very true. I usually carry my pcmcia sleeve all the time. |
| 23:09:38 | VerxHome | I like having my ipaq in my shorts pockets |
| 23:09:46 | treke | what scares me are people who buy the dual sleeve |
| 23:09:50 | VerxHome | I couldn't do that with the Z |
| 23:09:56 | VerxHome | treke: hehehe, my work bought me one |
| 23:09:58 | HrAbbey | Both are smaller than a breadbox. Is there a pocket that will fit an Ipaq and not a Z? |
| 23:10:15 | VerxHome | treke: I used it for things like copying a CF card to an nfs mount before I got usb networking to go |
| 23:10:30 | VerxHome | hrabbey: The shorts I wore to Fry's didn't fit the Z |
| 23:10:35 | treke | VerxHome : I just cant imagine what that sleeve would be use for |
| 23:10:36 | VerxHome | but they fit the ipaq just fine |
| 23:10:48 | treke | VerxHome : You try fitting it in your pocket? :) |
| 23:10:56 | VerxHome | treke: The sales guy was right there |
| 23:10:58 | VerxHome | he was laughing |
| 23:10:59 | treke | seems he liked it more than he admits |
| 23:11:03 | VerxHome | (it had one of those cords on it) |
| 23:12:09 | VerxHome | oh well |
| 23:12:15 | VerxHome | the one thing I would have liked the Z for |
| 23:12:17 | VerxHome | SD support |
| 23:12:21 | VerxHome | I don't have that yet on my ipaq |
| 23:12:28 | treke | which should happen on the ipaq eventurally |
| 23:12:28 | VerxHome | supposedly a week or two and I will tho |
| 23:12:47 | treke | I wouldnt give up the builtin speaker and microphone though |
| 23:13:04 | VerxHome | the Z doesn't have a builtin speaker or microphone? |
| 23:13:14 | treke | nope |
| 23:13:16 | VerxHome | wow |
| 23:13:22 | VerxHome | yeah, I wouldn't give that up either |
| 23:13:23 | VerxHome | :))) |
| 23:13:31 | VerxHome | well |
| 23:13:35 | VerxHome | I have a book to read |
| 23:13:36 | VerxHome | see y'all |
| 23:13:37 | VerxHome | :) |
| 23:13:42 | treke | Plus the ipaq has twice the storage space |
| 23:14:15 | VerxHome | not really true treke |
| 23:14:35 | VerxHome | the Z has storage X, plus SD, plus CF without any sleeves or anything |
| 23:14:47 | VerxHome | and it actually allows apps to be installed to those media from what I understand |
| 23:15:07 | treke | true. That should be true for the ipaq also though |
| 23:15:12 | ljp | verx: it does have a built in speaker.. of sorts.. kergoth and I are trying to rewrite the driver to allow it to play sounds, instead of just the inlined sounds defined in the driver |
| 23:15:19 | treke | except the built in cf |
| 23:16:01 | VerxHome | unfortunately, the largest SD card I could find was only 128MB |
| 23:16:02 | VerxHome | :( |
| 23:19:42 | NeoHatesNSI | VerxHome: hey, you're the ipaq 38xx user right? |
| 23:19:53 | NeoHatesNSI | and you have problems with my games not exiting correctly? |
| 23:20:57 | hunger | kergoth`home: Do you have stat in libc6? |
| 23:21:40 | Neo|Work | anyone here seeing problems with eligo, sa and/or candy cruncher not exiting correctly? |
| 23:31:23 | tux_mike | argh!!! |
| 23:31:38 | tux_mike | libopie is still giving me undefined references >< |
| 23:35:21 | CloudChaser | - |
| 23:36:42 | VerxHome | neo: Yes, that is me |
| 23:37:04 | VerxHome | sorry, was fixing dinner earlier |
| 23:37:09 | Neo|Work | no problem |
| 23:37:24 | VerxHome | do you think you have fixed the exiting problem? |
| 23:37:35 | Guru | ipaq is cool, but every ipaq sale counts as a WinCE sale |
| 23:37:38 | Neo|Work | I want to use you as a test bed for work-arounds. :P |
| 23:37:50 | VerxHome | neo: hehehe, ok |
| 23:38:08 | Guru | thus strengthening the MS tightening grip on the palmpc market |
| 23:38:34 | VerxHome | guru: I was at best buy today |
| 23:38:38 | VerxHome | and fry's electronics |
| 23:38:43 | VerxHome | and CompUSA |
| 23:38:53 | VerxHome | reality is - there are TOOOOOOOOOO MANY choices |
| 23:38:57 | VerxHome | way way way too many |
| 23:38:59 | Renee | Hello |
| 23:40:37 | Guru | VerxHome: true... there are dozens of pda's out there |
| 23:40:51 | Guru | VerxHome: and most of them run either PalmOS or PocketPC (WinCE) |
| 23:41:11 | Guru | VerxHome: But the good news is it seems like lots of Asian Manufacturers are making Linux PDA's |
| 23:41:42 | Guru | VerxHome: Already dozens of new linux based handhelds have been announced in Asia, and they will eventually come out here too. (hopefully). |
| 23:42:01 | Renee | I need a replacement stylus... (lost mine somewhere) |
| 23:42:53 | Guru | if many/all of the linux based pda's stick with Qtopia, we should have a strong market force |
| 23:43:29 | Guru | if each one chooses a something different (x-windows, gtk-fb, tinyX, etc..) its gonna be tough |
| 23:44:14 | Guru | see: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS4359828933.html |
| 23:50:36 | CloudChaser | - |
| 23:52:26 | treke | Guru : some other company is looking at a mips based qtopia device |
| 23:54:23 | Guru | treke: cool! what company? |
| 23:54:41 | treke | Guru : lemme look |
| 23:55:09 | Guru | Does anyone know if the Z is selling well?? The guy at the local Fry's told me they keep selling out, but I'm wondering how well it's selling elsewhere? |
| 23:56:04 | | cc is, like, Candy Cruncher or beta demo download at http://eongames.com/downloads/CandyCruncher_1.50_arm.ipk or note that CC beta download needs libSDL from http://eongames.com/downloads/feed/ to be installed |
| 23:56:04 | Neo|Work | ibot cc |
| 23:56:19 | | Guru: i'm not following you... |
| 23:56:19 | Guru | ibot libSDL |
| 23:56:42 | | i heard SDL was Look at http://www.libsdl.org |
| 23:56:42 | ljp | ibot SDL |
