| 00:31:31 | W|GGL|T | quiet |
| 00:38:44 | CloudChaser | hiya |
| 00:39:36 | ljp-- | what'd ya ssay? I cant hear ya over this loud music! |
| 00:46:13 | gonz | ljp--: "beer.undrink" does not seem to ber well supported in realworld(tm) |
| 00:46:29 | gonz | s/ber/be/ |
| 00:46:57 | ljp-- | beer.undrink == bloody.mary |
| 00:47:04 | gonz | ;) |
| 00:47:15 | Guru | hello |
| 00:47:53 | gonz | hu |
| 00:57:26 | VerxHome | anyone here tried zmame? |
| 01:02:15 | CloudChaser | i haven't but i'd like to ;) |
| 01:28:13 | scl900 | ditto what cloudchaser said. |
| 01:46:07 | Wembly | hello? |
| 02:09:00 | lowkey | anyone know of a good 10/100 cf card for the zaurus? |
| 03:12:36 | whardier | my people |
| 03:51:42 | Wembly | is there a ntp package that when you dock the pda it'll sync the time? |
| 04:04:13 | Wembly | does anyone actually talk in here? |
| 04:05:12 | W|GGL|T | they chat in spurts |
| 04:07:14 | Wembly | hehe |
| 04:07:15 | Wembly | yeye! |
| 04:07:27 | Wembly | is there a ntp package that when you dock the pda it'll sync the time with the pda? |
| 04:09:35 | W|GGL|T | i dunno...im still very new to it all |
| 04:09:41 | Wembly | hehe ditto |
| 04:09:50 | Wembly | hopefully tho ill get to playing wif writing stuffs for it :) |
| 04:12:07 | W|GGL|T | i wanted to use vnc with it but the damn .ipks won't install |
| 04:12:16 | Wembly | that sucks :/ |
| 04:12:21 | Wembly | you get it on the net yet? |
| 04:12:40 | W|GGL|T | yeah, last night |
| 04:12:48 | Wembly | how'd you do it? |
| 04:13:04 | Wembly | i gotta return mine is has like 6 dead pixels and some weird thing going on with a pixel. |
| 04:13:06 | W|GGL|T | i cant get them to install using the installer OR the commandline |
| 04:13:16 | Wembly | herm iv never used the commandline |
| 04:13:25 | Wembly | is it cus they are corrupt? |
| 04:14:35 | W|GGL|T | i dunno...both files (vncserver and zlib) won't install and I've downloaded them 3 times. I wish there were another site to get them from, just to check if they're corrupt...although, others on the forums aren't complaining |
| 04:18:12 | lowkey | hey anybody know a good 10/100 cf card? |
| 04:21:07 | Wembly | wigglit: how are you uploading them? |
| 04:23:24 | W|GGL|T | wget |
| 04:25:22 | Wembly | how are you running wget? hehe |
| 04:29:54 | Wembly | wigglit: have other packages worked btw? |
| 04:30:16 | W|GGL|T | wget http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=21 |
| 04:30:31 | W|GGL|T | yeah, other packages have worked, just not vnc and zlib |
| 04:30:38 | Wembly | herm. |
| 04:30:47 | Wembly | you try grabbing it from the zauruszone feed? |
| 04:31:52 | Wembly | i dunno if they are the same package but |
| 04:32:07 | W|GGL|T | here?: http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=21 |
| 04:32:09 | Wembly | http://www.zauruszone.com/feed/zaurus-fbvncserver_0.1.1_arm.ipk |
| 04:32:27 | Wembly | and http://www.zauruszone.com/feed/zlib_1.1.2_arm.ipk |
| 04:32:43 | W|GGL|T | ooops...wrong url i printed |
| 04:32:47 | W|GGL|T | lemme try those |
| 04:33:22 | W|GGL|T | got them |
| 04:41:25 | W|GGL|T | shit...samba and ftp are down for some reason |
| 04:41:28 | W|GGL|T | brb |
| 05:12:47 | W|GGL|T | ahh...zlib is now installing |
| 05:13:18 | whardier | anyburdy played with them thur vlannun under lunix? |
| 05:14:26 | W|GGL|T | vnc is now installed, with zlib |
| 05:16:27 | whardier | poop poop poop |
| 05:16:52 | W|GGL|T | is now on his Z in XP :o) |
| 06:04:19 | Guru | hello |
| 06:12:11 | W|GGL|T | Wembly: thanks for the VNC help...its pretty awesome with the Z |
| 06:23:08 | W|GGL|T | is away: I'm busy smoking a blunt or sleeping or something |
| 06:23:14 | W|GGL|T | night |
| 08:13:04 | | mark: excuse me? |
| 08:13:04 | mark | ibot: date |
| 08:13:08 | | i haven't a clue, mark |
| 08:13:08 | mark | ibot: what day is it? |
| 10:01:53 | N0Remorse | heya |
| 10:02:37 | N0Remorse | in kismet, do i put the mac of my wlan card or that of the AP? |
| 10:54:38 | WhiteHat | hi there |
| 10:54:55 | WhiteHat | anyone with a Zaurus SL-5500 ? |
| 10:56:41 | hunger | yes. |
| 10:57:02 | hunger | actually a 5500G |
| 10:57:34 | WhiteHat | i just received this one... |
| 10:57:45 | WhiteHat | ... and the screen isn't quite centered |
| 10:58:13 | WhiteHat | in fact, it's not as it appears on sharp's site pics |
| 10:58:29 | WhiteHat | it's a bit smaller (horizontaly) |
| 10:58:38 | WhiteHat | what about yours ? |
| 11:17:24 | BenB | hi guys. anybody here knows a bit about WLAN, or where I could go for advise? |
| 11:17:44 | BenB | (wlan = 802.11b) |
| 11:18:12 | WhiteHat | what do you need ? |
| 11:18:50 | WhiteHat | there's a lot of info out there |
| 11:18:58 | WhiteHat | Google ie. |
| 11:19:00 | BenB | WhiteHat: a pci card for my server, so I can talk withthe notebook. should have a wide range in house (25-35 meters through thick walls) |
| 11:19:18 | WhiteHat | ok |
| 11:19:19 | BenB | WhiteHat: yes, I know, unfortunately I need some advise quickly :-( |
| 11:19:46 | WhiteHat | 25-35 meters is ok |
| 11:19:57 | BenB | WhiteHat: I already read a bit in the linux wlan faq and Jean Tourrilhes's site |
| 11:19:58 | WhiteHat | thus, the walls can block a lot of signal |
| 11:20:02 | WhiteHat | ok |
| 11:20:15 | BenB | yeah, our walls are 0.5 meters thick. |
| 11:20:17 | WhiteHat | many walls in the middle ? |
| 11:20:34 | BenB | yes, 4-5 I'd guess. |
| 11:21:48 | WhiteHat | well, I guess the best thing would be to test |
| 11:22:59 | BenB | heh, and if it doesn't work? throw the card away? |
| 11:23:14 | WhiteHat | no... |
| 11:23:19 | WhiteHat | you can send it to me :) |
| 11:23:41 | WhiteHat | I've got to reboot |
| 11:23:49 | WhiteHat | do you have a zaurus BenB? |
| 11:24:02 | BenB | nope. |
| 11:24:04 | WhiteHat | ok |
| 11:24:06 | WhiteHat | brb |
| 12:20:49 | axp | is there a way to communicate via irda between zaurus and ipaq ? |
| 12:25:52 | hunger | axp: Sorry, I have no idea. |
| 12:47:20 | dc | axp: youy can probly connect to the iPAQ over irda via ppp |
| 13:00:09 | benmeyer | Morning |
| 13:00:53 | Twiun | Howdy |
| 13:02:50 | Twiun | What's new in Sharpland? |
| 13:28:15 | benmeyer | Nothing new in Sharpland yet |
| 13:28:17 | benmeyer | just got in |
| 13:28:24 | benmeyer | suposedly getting a laptop today |
| 13:28:25 | benmeyer | yah! |
| 13:28:29 | benmeyer | no more xhosting for me |
| 13:28:54 | benmeyer | Anyone know where ethernet over win2k info is? |
| 13:34:20 | BigBoss | you homies |
| 13:34:26 | benmeyer | hmmm so contest finalist list yet |
| 13:34:33 | benmeyer | no list that is |
| 13:34:56 | BigBoss | well it's only 6:30 in california at the moment |
| 13:38:06 | bipolar | is back (gone 89:19:41) |
| 13:49:39 | axp | dc, I need to install irnet to do ppp over irda on zaurus ? |
| 13:53:34 | dc | axp: probly / |
| 14:24:37 | bipolar | is beta 10 still the latest OZ? |
| 14:26:35 | benmeyer | Not sure |
| 14:26:39 | benmeyer | probably |
| 14:27:04 | ljp | bipolar: yes.. kergoth's been.. down and out for the count... |
| 14:27:43 | bipolar | ljp: is he ok? really busy? |
| 14:28:24 | ljp | bipolar: no.. instead of moving in with his g-friend.. she broke up |
| 14:28:30 | bipolar | ouch |
| 14:30:29 | BigBoss | shit |
| 14:32:23 | Twiun | ack |
| 14:32:29 | ljp | gak |
| 14:32:43 | Twiun | any particular reason? |
| 14:32:58 | BigBoss | he spends too much time working on oz :) |
| 14:33:08 | ljp | heheheh probably so |
| 14:33:16 | Twiun | hear his gf shouting... that computer is your mistress, I swear! |
| 14:33:19 | ljp | "its either OZ or me" |
| 14:33:39 | Twiun | kergoth's a brave man... OZ's lucky to have him |
| 14:34:05 | ljp | hehkergoth == OZ |
| 14:36:42 | ljp | OZ, llc needs to give him a raise |
| 14:40:02 | Twiun | Hehe |
| 15:08:29 | axp | somehone knows how to ppp-over-irda with a zaurus |
| 15:11:18 | benmeyer | http://www.zauruszone.com/wiki/index.php?NetworkingHowTo |
| 15:11:20 | benmeyer | :-) |
| 15:11:46 | benmeyer | http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=225 |
| 15:11:50 | benmeyer | That is cool |
| 15:12:56 | axp | already tried benmeyer but seems it does nothing |
| 15:15:38 | benmeyer | what device are you trying to connect it too? |
| 15:17:35 | axp | an ipaq |
| 15:17:42 | axp | I use irnet on the ipaq |
| 15:18:00 | axp | zaurus and ipaq ping correctly together with irdadump/irdaping |
| 15:24:42 | axp | any idea benmeyer ? |
| 15:25:12 | warmi | hi |
| 15:25:42 | benmeyer | sorry |
| 15:27:18 | axp | do you have an idea on howto connect ipaq & zaurus via irda ? |
| 15:29:10 | ljp_mobile | you shouldnt have to do anything special.. just beam a file, or get ready to receove one |
| 15:31:09 | benmeyer | not yet |
| 15:31:12 | ljp_mobile | my bro beamed me a bunch of his addressbook contacts.. easy as pie |
| 15:31:20 | benmeyer | but if you can figure it out I will add it |
| 15:32:50 | axp | how can i do that ljp_mobile ? |
| 15:33:12 | benmeyer | axp: do you just want to send files? |
| 15:33:19 | benmeyer | or get network access? |
| 15:33:35 | benmeyer | http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=199 |
| 15:33:39 | benmeyer | Ir Demo |
| 15:33:43 | ljp_mobile | if you are recieving.. go to the Beam Receive app in the Setting tab |
| 15:34:14 | axp | how can I send the file if I want to recieve ? |
| 15:34:55 | ljp_mobile | go to documents tab, hold stylus down on file you want to beam.. |
| 15:35:08 | ljp_mobile | a file properties dialog will appear.. select beam |
| 15:37:26 | axp | but the other device is nt a zaurus, but an iPaq, do you know what should i do on the ipaq ? |
| 15:38:20 | whardier | rawr |
| 15:38:23 | whardier | fft |
| 15:38:24 | whardier | fft |
| 15:38:24 | ljp | umm.. I think you have to set it up to get ready to receive.. not sure how, tho |
| 15:38:25 | whardier | rawr |
| 15:39:07 | ljp | bbl |
| 16:00:58 | dc | hey killefiz |
| 16:14:37 | HrAbbey | Just mailed z-gen, but fyi: New case review at http://www.the-gadgeteer.com/extremelimits-zaurus-review.html |
| 16:18:12 | Twiun | HrAbbey: looks good... can't wait for a few more to enter the market |
| 16:19:18 | Twiun | sighs |
| 16:19:58 | HrAbbey | Twiun: agreed, although I only need one. |
| 16:28:58 | Neo|Work | is back (gone 88:02:20) |
| 16:31:14 | rovitotv | Do you guys think the zaurus is better than ipaq with linux on it? |
| 16:32:07 | warmi | well, it has a keyboard but on the other hand ipaq can run PPC |
| 16:32:26 | warmi | so it is more flexible in that regard |
| 16:32:56 | whardier | skittles around for a bit |
| 16:33:00 | benmeyer | Althought Zaurus has issues, it has less issues then the ipaq |
| 16:33:06 | whardier | all of you are whacked! |
| 16:33:56 | warmi | benmayer: well, it better because Linux is an official OS on the ZAurus while Ipaq supports it only as a sort of alternative |
| 16:34:34 | rovitotv | What is the keyboard like? I have never used a thumb keyboard, is it usable to enter lots of text? |
| 16:34:59 | warmi | yeah, but for me .. after playing with Z all the other PDAs without keboard seem useless |
| 16:35:09 | warmi | heh |
| 16:37:06 | warmi | well, it is not the best keyboard out there for entering a lot of text ( as compared to standard keyboards) but certainly it is a better option than using onscreen virtual keyboard |
| 16:37:44 | rovitotv | What about development is the Qtopia thing released yet? According to QT's web site you can purchase beta SDK but the GPL version is still pending???? |
| 16:38:14 | warmi | I think GPL version was and still is available for anyone to use |
| 16:38:46 | rovitotv | warmi: Yes I see it now, I just did not read far enough. |
| 16:41:44 | warmi | ha ... I wonder if anyone enounter this problem when trying to crosscompile for ARM cpu ...... basically, multiline strings being escaped with / don't seem to work in ARM crosscompiler, I get tons of errors about invalid escape char .. this stuff works beatifully on X86 gcc as well as VC++ |
| 16:42:34 | warmi | actually being escaped with \ |
| 16:43:10 | warmi | basically this code fails on ARM gcc |
| 16:43:18 | warmi | QLabel *ablabel=new QLabel("<qt><b>USDA Nutrient Database</b><br><br>This program provides \ |
| 16:43:28 | warmi | access to Release 14 of the USDA Nutrient Database for Standard Reference.<br><hr> \ |
| 16:43:34 | warmi | etc .. |
| 16:44:10 | rovitotv | warmi: Have you done any development with Qtopia? |
| 16:44:20 | warmi | yeah, quite a bit actually |
| 16:44:49 | warmi | http://www.warmi.net/zaurus/ |
| 16:45:22 | warmi | rovit: still trying to decide if you want to buy Zaurus ? |
| 16:48:02 | MSpin | warmi: I tend to avoide multi line strings like the plauge |
| 16:48:17 | warmi | well, but it is a valid C++ |
| 16:48:36 | MSpin | true |
| 16:48:59 | MSpin | do you have to end the string prior to the \? |
| 16:49:00 | warmi | the funny thing is .. ARM gcc accepts this stuff when I remove \ ...( which becomes invalid C++ since one cannot have multiline strings without any sort of escaping char) |
| 16:49:03 | warmi | weird stuff |
| 16:49:18 | warmi | I don't think so |
| 16:49:19 | MSpin | "foo""bar" is valid tho, right? |
| 16:49:24 | warmi | yeah |
| 16:49:33 | MSpin | I jsut don't do it enuf |
| 16:50:16 | warmi | I am gonna have to dig in into C+ standard or something like that |
| 16:50:22 | whardier | no kergoth :( |
| 16:50:24 | warmi | and see what does it say about this issue |
| 16:51:53 | MSpin | hrm |
| 16:52:28 | MSpin | stroustrup has it like "foo" <nl> "bar" |
| 16:53:13 | Neo|Work | that is a different "feature" though |
| 16:54:09 | MSpin | the concat of strings? |
| 16:54:41 | warmi | well, I might be wrong with this \ approach but I swear I have been doing this for the last 8 years or so and it worked greatr |
| 16:54:43 | warmi | hehe |
| 16:57:16 | MSpin | do you have any chars after the \? |
| 16:57:49 | warmi | no , just eof |
| 16:57:56 | warmi | eol |
| 16:57:59 | warmi | end of line |
| 16:58:11 | asys3 | hi warmi |
| 16:58:26 | warmi | I am looking on the web now what precisely C++ syntax says about that issue |
| 16:58:31 | warmi | I got to get to the bottom of it |
| 16:58:34 | warmi | hi asys |
| 16:59:10 | asys3 | warmi: any news from chess ? are these c++ problems from your actual port ? |
| 16:59:49 | warmi | I am pretty much done but I am encountering random crashes related to QStrignList startup code and static initialization |
| 17:00:06 | warmi | I am trying to figure out what the hell am I missing there |
| 17:00:24 | MSpin | anyone know when the new serial cable is going to be available? |
| 17:00:28 | warmi | it is funnyt because it happens in standard lib init_ code |
| 17:00:46 | warmi | before annything else happens which tells me it has to be something with static initialization stuff |
| 17:01:20 | warmi | and when I remove class that has static members ( a singleton btw ) it works perfectly |
| 17:01:41 | warmi | spend a whole day yesterday trying to figure this one out and I am gonna work on it today at home |
| 17:01:50 | warmi | btw. mark is porting Knights interface |
| 17:02:27 | warmi | we agreed to use the same format for installation off engines so people don't have to install craft or gnuchess twice if they watn to use bothg Knights and ZChess |
| 17:03:14 | warmi | asys3: have you heard about Knights ? |
| 17:03:34 | asys3 | i wish you good luck in solving your probs ! |
| 17:03:49 | warmi | thanks .. he is porting this :http://knights.sourceforge.net/ |
| 17:03:55 | asys3 | i heard about knights - but not in combination to the z. |
| 17:04:28 | warmi | yeah, it has even more features than ZChess because it supports internet play but my code supports some other stuff they don't |
| 17:04:37 | warmi | so you will have a choice |
| 17:04:46 | warmi | whatever suits you |
| 17:05:01 | warmi | it should be out in matter of week or so .. both mine and marks port |
| 17:05:53 | ljp | where oh where are the contest announcement... oh where, oh where could it be .... |
| 17:05:58 | asys3 | ok - have to leave - bye warmi + others ! |
| 17:06:06 | warmi | bye asys |
| 17:06:32 | warmi | ljp: heh .. actually Neo suggested that there might be some problems with some submissions |
| 17:07:01 | warmi | basically, there was a case of someone submitting an entry and getting confirmation email, yet that entry was never seen by the judges |
| 17:07:06 | warmi | things like that |
| 17:07:24 | benmeyer | warmi: got a bug for you |
| 17:07:30 | warmi | a bug ? |
| 17:07:30 | ljp | oh.. small things eh? |
| 17:07:39 | warmi | in what ? |
| 17:08:00 | benmeyer | in puzz-le I save every level so that once I figure it out I can load the level again and not start with a really low score |
| 17:08:07 | benmeyer | but the level loader is really full now |
| 17:08:17 | benmeyer | and the level number (right hand side) is off the screen) |
| 17:08:27 | warmi | and you can't scroll ? |
| 17:08:59 | benmeyer | I can scoll up and down, but not left right |
| 17:09:06 | Neo|Work | warmi: something like that yes |
| 17:10:17 | warmi | yeah, I know benmayer .. I disabled horizontal scroll for estetical reasons :-) |
| 17:10:37 | warmi | I will release 1.04 soon that fixes that and couple of other small issues |
| 17:10:50 | benmeyer | the thing I don't get is why the level number are off the screen for there are room for them too by on the screen |
| 17:10:50 | warmi | and provides option to disable time limit |
| 17:10:51 | benmeyer | ok |
| 17:10:57 | benmeyer | yah@ |
| 17:11:01 | MSpin | speaking of releases, I need to get off my butt and release the new wlanmon and kismet_qt |
| 17:11:11 | benmeyer | yah level 12 I think that is 10 seconds has to be increased |
| 17:11:15 | benmeyer | it is just way to hard |
| 17:11:33 | benmeyer | got kismet_qt in a ipk format now? |
| 17:11:36 | warmi | benmayer: because I paint my own listbox item and it is hardcoded right now like 150 pixels for a name and the rest for the number or so |
| 17:11:45 | warmi | I definately need that horizontal scroll |
| 17:11:59 | [DrEvil] | what is a "PDA Screen Scraping GURU? |
| 17:12:23 | warmi | benmayer: do you know anyuthing about the contest holdup ? |
| 17:12:34 | MSpin | [DrEvil]: A window washere for PDAs |
| 17:12:49 | warmi | people here are getting inpatinent ( not like most of use will win anyway but still ..) |
| 17:12:51 | warmi | hehe |
| 17:12:55 | MSpin | benmeyer: nope, I need to do that, tho |
| 17:13:15 | benmeyer | anyone on msie here? |
| 17:13:16 | warmi | MSSpin: does kismet have GUI interface on the Zaurus ? |
| 17:13:20 | warmi | yeah, I am |
| 17:13:21 | benmeyer | I mean does anyone have a windows box? |
| 17:13:32 | MSpin | I think it's nearly ready for a first release, it should work on the sharp rom too |
| 17:13:33 | benmeyer | can you try to go to marantz.com and get past the flash page for me? |
| 17:13:39 | benmeyer | looking for a reciever manual |
| 17:13:39 | MSpin | warmi: I just wrote one:) |
| 17:14:23 | warmi | benmayer: yeah, I was able to get to http://www.marantz.com/hifi/america/index.html |
| 17:14:33 | warmi | a heavy page if you ask me but it worked |
| 17:14:38 | benmeyer | Thanks! |
| 17:14:55 | warmi | I was using msie 6 |
| 17:14:57 | benmeyer | Jason gave me his reciever (He is in Florida by the way all week), but I need a manual |
| 17:15:06 | warmi | MSpin: where is it ? |
| 17:15:28 | MSpin | warmi: http://www.mspin.net/~jjhuff/kismet_qt |
| 17:15:41 | MSpin | it handles putting the card into monitor mode and starting kismet |
| 17:15:50 | warmi | cause I only saw terminal version on zsi |
| 17:16:04 | MSpin | I haven't built the package and released it |
| 17:16:09 | MSpin | do you run the sharp rom? |
| 17:16:13 | warmi | yeah |
| 17:16:46 | warmi | MSpin: I can't load that URL you just posted |
| 17:16:52 | warmi | but that might be Tribune firewall |
| 17:16:55 | warmi | I am not sure |
| 17:17:00 | MSpin | sweet, let me know why |
| 17:17:01 | MSpin | hrm |
| 17:17:05 | MSpin | it's my end |
| 17:17:08 | MSpin | brb |
| 17:17:18 | warmi | it simply hangs trying to load http://www.mspin.net/~jjhuff/kismet_qt |
| 17:17:30 | [DrEvil] | it's a binary file |
| 17:17:35 | [DrEvil] | save as |
| 17:17:50 | warmi | well, it shoul pop up save as dialog if it is a binary |
| 17:18:02 | warmi | my msie simply sits on that URL as if it was unable to connect |
| 17:18:16 | [DrEvil] | that explains it |
| 17:18:34 | warmi | what ? |
| 17:18:45 | [DrEvil] | msie |
| 17:19:03 | MSpin | no, it's my end, FW rules |
| 17:19:05 | [DrEvil] | it probably has no idea of what to do with it |
| 17:19:08 | [DrEvil] | o |
| 17:19:09 | warmi | nah .. it is the best browser , at least I like it the best and it works most of the time |
| 17:21:03 | MSpin | or not, the webserver had shut down... |
| 17:21:16 | MSpin | anyway, that url should be live in a few |
| 17:22:23 | kergoth` | hey all |
| 17:22:28 | MSpin | hey kergoth` |
| 17:22:34 | [DrEvil] | kergoth. |
| 17:22:37 | kergoth` | how goes it? |
| 17:22:43 | MSpin | it goes:) |
| 17:22:55 | benmeyer | Hello kergoth. |
| 17:22:55 | MSpin | I left you a msg 'bout wlansetup:) |
| 17:23:27 | kergoth | hey ben, whats goin on |
| 17:23:32 | kergoth | MSpin: ah |
| 17:23:56 | benmeyer | kergoth: going to spend the next day or two spell checking the howto site |
| 17:23:57 | benmeyer | hehe |
| 17:24:04 | kergoth | nice ;-) |
| 17:24:05 | benmeyer | then going to finally load oz |
| 17:24:13 | benmeyer | goign to write a backup utility |
| 17:24:22 | kergoth | didnt you already write a backup utility? |
| 17:24:22 | benmeyer | then re-write launcher |
| 17:24:24 | MSpin | warmi: try now:) |
| 17:24:25 | kergoth | ah |
| 17:24:31 | benmeyer | yah, but well it got deleted |
| 17:24:34 | kergoth | oops |
| 17:24:36 | benmeyer | hehe |
| 17:24:44 | MSpin | anyways, I'm off |
| 17:24:47 | warmi | yeah, it went thru .. thanks |
| 17:24:48 | kergoth | fyi oz3 beta10 still fucks with your system clock.. |
| 17:24:49 | benmeyer | it is simple, only called command line tools anywhere |
| 17:24:53 | benmeyer | will take hour tops |
| 17:24:57 | kergoth | cool |
| 17:25:00 | MS_away | kergoth: yes:) |
| 17:25:08 | benmeyer | brb |
| 17:25:11 | kergoth | MS_away: i fixed the time thing once and for all. tested and confirmed. |
| 17:25:16 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:25:18 | kergoth | brb |
| 17:25:36 | MS_away | like all engineers, he tested once:) |
| 17:25:51 | MS_away | "Yup, clock's clocking, check!" |
| 17:27:45 | warmi | anyone here good with C++ formal syntax for multiline strings ? |
| 17:27:58 | benmeyer | What do you want to do with it? |
| 17:28:20 | benmeyer | "simply have quotes" |
| 17:28:22 | benmeyer | "like this" |
| 17:28:23 | warmi | QLabel *ablabel=new QLabel("<qt><b>USDA Nutrient Database</b><br><br>This program provides \ |
| 17:28:28 | benmeyer | "then at compile time" |
| 17:28:31 | benmeyer | "they are all one" |
| 17:28:34 | warmi | this fails on ARM gcc |
| 17:28:51 | benmeyer | there is a newline after Nutrient? |
| 17:29:04 | warmi | there is a new line after \ |
| 17:29:04 | benmeyer | simply put a " after Nutrient and before Database |
| 17:29:13 | warmi | no ... |
| 17:29:17 | benmeyer | i.e. don't use \ |
| 17:29:28 | warmi | this literal goes for 3 lines and ends with " and the last line |
| 17:29:44 | warmi | my understanding was that multiline strings can be escaped with \ |
| 17:29:57 | warmi | at least it worked for me with C and I have used it for years |
| 17:29:59 | benmeyer | so put a " after the "provides " and put a " at the start of the next line |
| 17:30:09 | warmi | I am gonna have to try that |
| 17:30:09 | benmeyer | depends on the compiler |
| 17:30:21 | warmi | I am just wondering what does C++ standard says about that |
| 17:30:26 | benmeyer | but one of the first thing compiles do is cat all strings |
| 17:30:35 | warmi | I mean my approach works on X86 gcc and VC++ but fails on ARM gcc |
| 17:30:36 | benmeyer | i.e. "foo " "bar" becomes "foo bar" |
| 17:31:01 | benmeyer | surprising what you learn when writing a compier yourself |
| 17:31:08 | benmeyer | hehe |
| 17:31:35 | warmi | well, I don't doubt that but I got to find out exactlt what C++ standard says about it and I am having hard time finding this on the web |
| 17:31:37 | warmi | hehe |
| 17:31:54 | benmeyer | My compiler was the only one that worked and it had many extra features. (opitimizations, debug output, inline asm etc) |
| 17:32:10 | warmi | frankl,y if you write your own compiler you might decide that your front end accepts say string separeted by + or something like that |
| 17:32:15 | warmi | it is up to you |
| 17:32:24 | benmeyer | Don't you have a C++ book? Your apps are all really good, you must have some formal reading right? |
| 17:32:31 | warmi | was that C++ compiler ? |
| 17:32:47 | benmeyer | nope, for a made up language |
| 17:32:59 | warmi | benmayer: hehe .. I have CS degree which I got before C++ was mainstream :-) |
| 17:33:07 | warmi | but I do have books a thome |
| 17:33:17 | benmeyer | called samada (the head professors last name backwards) and I extended it to basicly what C can do |
| 17:33:21 | warmi | I will have to look into it at home then |
| 17:33:52 | warmi | so it actually used C syntax ? |
| 17:33:57 | benmeyer | I know that the "" will word for you at least temporarily until you can figure it out |
| 17:34:01 | benmeyer | what the real problem is |
| 17:34:06 | benmeyer | sense I used that in kinkatta |
| 17:34:12 | benmeyer | and that compiles |
| 17:34:19 | codemnky | hello |
| 17:34:39 | codemnky | i had my Z sitting in the cradle for about a week, now it won't power on. |
| 17:34:42 | codemnky | any ideas? |
| 17:34:43 | warmi | well, I will used that then |
| 17:35:12 | codemnky | have'nt tried a hard boot yet |
| 17:35:22 | warmi | benmayer: you know what worked for my on ARM gcc but didn't on X86 ? .. |
| 17:35:40 | warmi | just getting rid of \ and leaving the string without any " but the last on the last line |
| 17:35:43 | warmi | weird stuff |
| 17:36:03 | benmeyer | hmm |
| 17:36:03 | codemnky | ah, the little switch in the back got flipped to replace battery,it's working |
| 17:36:04 | benmeyer | very |
| 17:36:06 | codemnky | doh |
| 17:36:13 | warmi | hehehe |
| 17:36:20 | benmeyer | codemnky: you probably drained the battery |
| 17:36:22 | benmeyer | little by little |
| 17:36:32 | codemnky | it's working , i'm just dumb |
| 17:36:40 | warmi | codemnky: all you have to do is just show up on this channel and stuff starts working |
| 17:36:45 | warmi | heh |
| 17:36:46 | codemnky | heh |
| 17:37:05 | warmi | benmayer: you are out of school ? |
| 17:37:12 | warmi | or still studying ? |
| 17:37:48 | benmeyer | I am on a leave of absance for a year |
| 17:38:05 | warmi | how many more years to go ? |
| 17:38:11 | benmeyer | part way through rit's 8 year degree |
| 17:38:12 | benmeyer | hehe |
| 17:38:18 | warmi | hehehe |
| 17:38:25 | warmi | well, got to have fun while you can |
| 17:38:28 | warmi | hehe |
| 17:38:52 | benmeyer | actually I think it is 6 years, and I am ruffly on my 3rd or 4th depending on how you mark |
| 17:38:58 | benmeyer | lots of co-op etc |
| 17:39:19 | benmeyer | havn't actually learned anything at school, but havn't given up yet |
| 17:39:37 | warmi | my bachelors was 5 years but that's standard in Poland unless you are medicine student which lasts 6 years |
| 17:40:03 | warmi | I learned Cobol + fortran + math , math, math, math and some more math |
| 17:40:10 | benmeyer | :-) |
| 17:40:14 | warmi | for the first two years we hardly got to touch computers |
| 17:40:15 | warmi | hehe |
| 17:40:17 | whardier | augh |
| 17:40:18 | whardier | I hate flashing |
| 17:40:29 | benmeyer | The only reason I want to go beyone bat is so I can waste 6 months writing a fun thesis |
| 17:40:33 | benmeyer | I have so many I want to do |
| 17:40:38 | [DrEvil] | you could go to jail for flashing |
| 17:40:49 | warmi | heh |
| 17:40:53 | benmeyer | But I will probably do them all before I get that far in school... but then I will have all new ones! |
| 17:40:54 | benmeyer | haha |
| 17:41:12 | whardier | [DrEvil] how long were you in for flashing? |
| 17:41:20 | warmi | benmayer: these day I understand you get to do fun stuff .. CS is more , say , practice and not only pure theory |
| 17:41:33 | [DrEvil] | I evaded |
| 17:41:39 | warmi | I finished college in 1992 |
| 17:41:47 | benmeyer | well it is more like I learn it all outside of school before I get tought it |
| 17:42:04 | benmeyer | so for me it is really just of that piece of paper |
| 17:42:04 | warmi | yeah, ASM and other basics I learned with my Atari and MSX |
| 17:42:08 | bipolar_lunch | is away: lunchtime |
| 17:42:28 | benmeyer | rit doesn't allow you to pass out of stuff so I have to attend class and be that anoying kid who knows every question |
| 17:43:05 | whardier | I just flashed OZb10 on my damn pda |
| 17:43:09 | whardier | and it won't boot now |
| 17:43:09 | whardier | :O |
| 17:43:15 | warmi | but in College I learned tons of theoretical stuff which I would most likely never got to learn on my own ... some stuff is simply too boring for people and the only way to learn it is to being forced to do so |
| 17:43:50 | warmi | anyway, it was fun while it lasted |
| 17:43:57 | benmeyer | yah, but again I search that stuff out on my own before it ever comes up in class thinking I wont learn aobu tit |
| 17:44:10 | benmeyer | i.e. How many people here own an algorithems book |
| 17:44:25 | warmi | yeah, I own couple of them |
| 17:44:27 | warmi | hehe |
| 17:44:29 | benmeyer | hehe |
| 17:44:53 | warmi | seriously, I look for out of print , older computer classics |
| 17:45:02 | warmi | you can get a lot of cool stuff for $5 or so |
| 17:45:10 | benmeyer | yup |
| 17:45:38 | warmi | Chicago |
| 17:45:53 | warmi | whoa .. this cgi client sucks |
| 17:46:55 | whardier | god damnit |
| 17:47:02 | whardier | stupid zaurus |
| 17:50:38 | whardier | http://www.soekris.com/ |
| 17:50:40 | whardier | ooooh |
| 17:50:46 | whardier | http://www.soekris.com/net4521.htm |
| 17:52:54 | codemnky | yo whardier |
| 17:53:14 | codemnky | i might be moving to LA area |
| 17:55:55 | whardier | thats still nowhere near me you asshole! |
| 17:55:59 | whardier | SO HAVE FUN! |
| 17:56:10 | whardier | you better stop by Denver first :P |
| 17:58:09 | codemnky | looky |
| 17:58:12 | codemnky | http://www.oddabon.com/chad/radioshack.jpg |
| 17:58:18 | codemnky | now that's computing power |
| 17:59:03 | tux_mike | wow... 80 |
| 17:59:08 | tux_mike | 8500 bucks |
| 17:59:16 | codemnky | crazy huh |
| 17:59:33 | tux_mike | and a whopping 2 mb ram |
| 18:00:18 | tux_mike | ooo, xenix :) |
| 18:00:58 | tux_mike | and i don't think theres an hdd on it ;) |
| 18:02:26 | kergoth | we get support calls from fuckers still running xenix, trying to get support. |
| 18:02:27 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:02:37 | tux_mike | lol |
| 18:03:15 | codemnky | brb |
| 18:03:35 | warmi | lunch time |
| 18:03:40 | warmi | see you later folks |
| 18:33:26 | whardier | kergoth :( |
| 18:33:40 | whardier | does Beta 10 work?.. like boot? |
| 18:42:30 | benmeyer | whooho level 19. Nothing like being on hold on the phone and playing puzz-le |
| 18:42:46 | benmeyer | at this rate by the end of June I will have beat the game |
| 18:47:12 | warmi_lunch | yeah, I feel your pain .. |
| 18:47:31 | warmi_lunch | I realize now on some the levels the time limit is too short |
| 18:47:35 | VerxWork | any devs on? |
| 18:48:10 | warmi_lunch | in fact, two or tree of them have time limit so tight you have to get everything right and int he right order to make it |
| 18:48:16 | warmi_lunch | devs ? |
| 18:48:49 | VerxWork | well |
| 18:48:58 | VerxWork | I am looking for someone that develops qt apps |
| 18:49:05 | VerxWork | for zaurus or ipaq either one |
| 18:49:05 | benmeyer | Hello |
| 18:49:08 | warmi_lunch | most of use here do |
| 18:49:11 | VerxWork | oh, ok |
| 18:49:28 | VerxWork | I downloaded qt-embedded-2.3.2 from trolltech |
| 18:49:31 | VerxWork | and it won't compile |
| 18:49:34 | benmeyer | Looking for qt help? |
| 18:49:39 | benmeyer | ah |
| 18:49:43 | benmeyer | What was the error? |
| 18:49:43 | VerxWork | so I was wondering if you guys use a copy from somewhere else |
| 18:49:47 | benmeyer | yah |
| 18:49:49 | benmeyer | the sdk |
| 18:49:55 | VerxWork | g++ -o ./moc mocgen.o qbuffer.o qcollection.o qcstring.o qdatastream.o qdatetime.o qfile.o qgarray.o qgdict.o qglist.o qglobal.o qgvector.o qiodevice.o qregexp.o qstring.o qtextcodec.o qtextstream.o qutfcodec.o qfile_unix.o |
| 18:49:55 | VerxWork | qtextcodec.o: In function `QTextCodec::locale(void)': |
| 18:49:55 | VerxWork | qtextcodec.o(.text+0x1694): undefined reference to `atexit' |
| 18:49:55 | VerxWork | qtextcodec.o(.text+0x1694): relocation truncated to fit: R_ARM_PC24 atexit |
| 18:49:55 | VerxWork | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 18:50:02 | VerxWork | that is what I am getting |
| 18:50:11 | VerxWork | I grabbed source from: |
| 18:50:12 | VerxWork | ftp://ftp.trolltech.com/qt/source/qt-embedded-2.3.2.tar.gz |
| 18:50:14 | benmeyer | ok that means that you don't have all of the libarriaries |
| 18:50:20 | VerxWork | ok |
| 18:50:24 | benmeyer | that is the console lib |
| 18:50:25 | VerxWork | man, thanks for translating |
| 18:50:27 | VerxWork | hehehe |
| 18:50:29 | VerxWork | I had no clue |
| 18:50:32 | benmeyer | no probl |
| 18:50:51 | nyargh | ok |
| 18:50:51 | VerxWork | so where do I get the console lib source from? |
| 18:50:51 | benmeyer | Have you checked out: http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/ |
| 18:50:52 | nyargh | no |
| 18:50:59 | nyargh | that's not it totally |
| 18:51:07 | benmeyer | http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/linux_compiler_setup_howto.shtml |
| 18:51:14 | nyargh | make sure you have the right compiler |
| 18:51:16 | nyargh | and glibc |
| 18:51:21 | nyargh | atexit is a glibc thingy |
| 18:51:22 | VerxWork | hrm |
| 18:51:29 | VerxWork | the compiler seems to be running |
| 18:51:32 | benmeyer | i.e. did you install http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/downloads/glibc-arm-2.2.2-0.i386.rpm |
| 18:51:42 | VerxWork | no benmeyer, I sure didn't |
| 18:51:44 | benmeyer | and the binutils-arm? |
| 18:51:47 | benmeyer | ;-) |
| 18:51:55 | VerxWork | how do you install rpms on our handhelds?!?!? |
| 18:51:59 | benmeyer | that is probably the problem |
| 18:52:02 | VerxWork | I thought rpms were for redhat |
| 18:52:06 | benmeyer | are you trying to compile on the zaurus itself? |
| 18:52:10 | VerxWork | yes, I am |
| 18:52:12 | benmeyer | oh |
| 18:52:15 | benmeyer | :-) |
| 18:52:18 | benmeyer | haha |
| 18:52:31 | benmeyer | hmmm... someone did do that somewhere |
| 18:52:35 | nyargh | VerxWork: make sure you are not using gcc <3.0 |
| 18:52:43 | nyargh | or are using gcc <3.0 rather |
| 18:52:52 | VerxWork | nyargh: I am using gcc 2.95.2 |
| 18:52:55 | VerxWork | so perhaps that is it |
| 18:53:00 | nyargh | no that should be fine |
| 18:53:03 | nyargh | jsut not gcc 3 |
| 18:53:05 | VerxWork | oh, ok |
| 18:53:14 | benmeyer | If you are new to Qt I recomend doing the work on the desktop and then re-compiling it for the z and moving it over after |
| 18:53:17 | nyargh | i ran into this before when i had a gcc / glib mismatch |
| 18:53:35 | nyargh | VerxWork: cross-compiling is a lot easier once you have your env setup, and faster too! |
| 18:53:37 | VerxWork | benmeyer: Well, I am going to be away from everything but my ipaq for some extended periods of time |
| 18:53:41 | VerxWork | I need to be able to dev on it |
| 18:53:47 | nyargh | hrm |
| 18:54:31 | nyargh | well, it's a glibc issue, make sure you have the right versions of everything |
| 18:54:35 | VerxWork | the "linux_compiler_setup_howto.shtml" is geared towards cross compiling |
| 18:54:40 | nyargh | yah |
| 18:54:43 | warmi_lunch | huh ... is it even possible to compile a beast like qt on device itself ? I mean we talking here effectiively 32 MB or less machine after all is up and running |
| 18:54:43 | nyargh | it all is |
| 18:55:05 | VerxWork | nyargh: Where should I be validating my versions against? |
| 18:55:25 | nyargh | VerxWork: you should build against the version of glibc that is on your device already ;) |
| 18:55:30 | VerxWork | I have 2.95.2 gcc and g++ |
| 18:55:39 | nyargh | where did you get gcc from? |
| 18:55:49 | VerxWork | from a thing called "porta-skiff" |
| 18:55:56 | VerxWork | I believe they came from debian arm .debs |
| 18:56:29 | nyargh | ok, you prob'ly will either need to grab the glibc from that distro and install it, or build a newer sub-3.0 version of gcc on your device |
| 18:56:32 | VerxWork | I have libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2 |
| 18:56:54 | VerxWork | and libc6.2-2 |
| 18:57:14 | nyargh | should be fine, but clearly isn't, sorry. |
| 18:57:21 | VerxWork | nyargh: ok |
| 18:57:28 | VerxWork | lemme nuke them and reinstall them myself then |
| 18:57:39 | nyargh | yah, that's going to be your best bet unfortunately |
| 18:57:55 | VerxWork | I am somewhat new to this |
| 18:58:09 | VerxWork | will I need to remove libc6, libstdc++, gcc and g++? |
| 18:58:10 | VerxWork | or more? |
| 18:58:18 | VerxWork | (and then re-install, obviously) |
| 18:58:28 | nyargh | well, that's up to you |
| 18:58:31 | VerxWork | I am leary of removing libc6 |
| 18:58:36 | VerxWork | don't my apps use it to run? |
| 18:58:37 | nyargh | i woudln't |
| 18:58:40 | nyargh | yes, they do |
| 18:58:56 | nyargh | all you need to do is either of the two things i mentioned |
| 18:59:17 | VerxWork | so just re-grab glibc? |
| 18:59:24 | nyargh | install the glibc from the distro (shouldn't break anything) or recompile gcc against your glibc that you already have |
| 18:59:44 | nyargh | VerxWork: did you already grab glibc from the same distro? |
| 18:59:49 | VerxWork | I have this file: |
| 18:59:54 | VerxWork | libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2 |
| 18:59:57 | VerxWork | is that glibc? |
| 19:00:04 | VerxWork | or libstdc++ like it appears? |
| 19:00:18 | nyargh | both :) |
| 19:00:25 | VerxWork | rofl |
| 19:00:26 | VerxWork | ok |
| 19:00:31 | nyargh | you want libc and libstdc++ |
| 19:00:33 | VerxWork | so I theoretically already have glibc |
| 19:00:37 | nyargh | and a bunch of other shit, actually |
| 19:00:39 | nyargh | just grab the package |
| 19:00:42 | nyargh | dammit |
| 19:00:52 | nyargh | before i come over there and beat you |
| 19:01:00 | VerxWork | well, I just (about an hour ago) installed libc6, libstdc++, and g++ |
| 19:01:06 | nyargh | ok |
| 19:01:09 | nyargh | all from the same place? |
| 19:01:10 | VerxWork | fresh from debian .debs |
| 19:01:12 | VerxWork | yup |
| 19:01:13 | nyargh | ok |
| 19:01:15 | VerxWork | from debian.org |
| 19:01:31 | nyargh | do a find / -name 'libc*' for me |
| 19:01:46 | VerxWork | returned a ton of things |
| 19:01:52 | VerxWork | you looking for something in particular? |
| 19:02:21 | VerxWork | looks like primary things you would be looking for are: |
| 19:02:27 | VerxWork | "/usr/lib/libc.a" |
| 19:02:32 | VerxWork | "/usr/lib/libc.so" |
| 19:02:39 | VerxWork | "/usr/lib/libc_nonshared.a" |
| 19:02:40 | nyargh | ok sorry |
| 19:02:45 | bipolar | is back (gone 01:20:36) |
| 19:03:20 | nyargh | sec |
| 19:03:22 | VerxWork | k |
| 19:03:28 | VerxWork | thanks a ton for your help |
| 19:03:35 | VerxWork | really REALLY appreciate it |
| 19:04:05 | nyargh | np |
| 19:04:14 | nyargh | ls /lib/libc-* |
| 19:04:20 | nyargh | ls /lib/libc.so* |
| 19:04:43 | VerxWork | libc-2.2.5.so |
| 19:04:46 | VerxWork | libc.so.6 |
| 19:05:21 | nyargh | weird |
| 19:05:27 | VerxWork | what? |
| 19:05:37 | nyargh | ls -l /lib/libc.so.6 |
| 19:05:59 | VerxWork | it is linked to libc-2.2.5.so |
| 19:06:03 | nyargh | ok |
| 19:06:23 | nyargh | try building a new version of gcc, i dunno what else is wrong, sorry :/ |
| 19:06:35 | VerxWork | man |
| 19:06:39 | VerxWork | that is harsh |
| 19:06:39 | VerxWork | :) |
| 19:06:42 | nyargh | yah |
| 19:06:43 | nyargh | heh |
| 19:06:47 | nyargh | or look at a new gcc package |
| 19:06:50 | VerxWork | when I got this image |
| 19:06:55 | VerxWork | it already had gcc installed |
| 19:06:57 | kergoth | re |
| 19:07:03 | VerxWork | I installed g++, libstdc++, and libc6 |
| 19:07:10 | nyargh | ooooh |
| 19:07:14 | VerxWork | perhaps the things I installed don't go along with the gcc already there? |
| 19:07:18 | nyargh | why did you go and do that? |
| 19:07:24 | nyargh | yes, that is prob'ly what happened |
| 19:07:26 | VerxWork | because I didn't have g++ |
| 19:07:35 | VerxWork | and Qt/E needed it to compile |
| 19:07:40 | nyargh | right |
| 19:08:00 | nyargh | did you not have lib stdc++? |
| 19:08:05 | nyargh | well wait |
| 19:08:15 | nyargh | re-install all the gcc stuff from the same palce you got g++ |
| 19:08:22 | nyargh | not just g++ |
| 19:08:23 | VerxWork | ok |
| 19:08:28 | VerxWork | is that more than just gcc? |
| 19:08:39 | VerxWork | I see gcc_2.95.2-13.1.deb |
| 19:08:40 | nyargh | shouldn't be, but i don't know how they do their packages |
| 19:08:40 | kergoth | son of a bitch. i cant run the x86 build of ipkg . segfaults |
| 19:08:52 | nyargh | VerxWork: that should work |
| 19:09:42 | VerxWork | ok, lemme download it and install it then |
| 19:09:45 | VerxWork | hopefully that will help |
| 19:11:27 | whardier | kergoth hehe.. want a funky way to test MTD stuff.. use uml.. :) |
| 19:13:14 | VerxWork | ok, I got the same exact issue |
| 19:13:15 | VerxWork | :( |
| 19:13:22 | VerxWork | you sure this is a compiler issue? |
| 19:13:23 | nyargh | doh |
| 19:13:27 | nyargh | pretty sure |
| 19:13:27 | VerxWork | because everything else compiled fine |
| 19:13:29 | kergoth | whardier: theres an idea.. |
| 19:13:32 | nyargh | i ran into it before |
| 19:13:46 | kergoth | hunger: you built openzaurus recently? ipkg built for x86 appears to segfault on install for me at the moment.. |
| 19:13:49 | whardier | kergoth I am making a new debian based OS for a few things and its been helping me out a lot |
| 19:13:49 | whardier | heh |
| 19:13:54 | VerxWork | someone else was saying it was a missing library |
| 19:13:59 | whardier | or rather images |
| 19:14:03 | whardier | not another OS |
| 19:14:05 | whardier | heh |
| 19:14:13 | whardier | its really easy to test out jffs2 shit |
| 19:14:29 | nyargh | VerxWork: ot |
| 19:14:32 | nyargh | VerxWork: it's not |
| 19:14:33 | hunger | kergoth: I build lots of things using openzaurus. |
| 19:14:34 | kergoth | I'll have to play with it. Ive never bothered setting up uml |
| 19:14:43 | nyargh | VerxWork: it's in glibc, and if it were missing you'd get a lot of other errors, believe me |
| 19:14:45 | hunger | kergoth: I have not updated ipkg-x86 recently though. |
| 19:14:47 | whardier | I have 6 running at the moment for a project I am doing |
| 19:14:54 | nyargh | grep atexit /lib/libc* |
| 19:14:56 | nyargh | and see |
| 19:15:05 | kergoth | hunger: hmm.. could you try updating ipkg-x86 and using it to install to the rootfs? |
| 19:15:11 | kergoth | whardier : ah |
| 19:15:19 | hunger | kergoth: Install the rootfs? |
| 19:15:33 | VerxWork | sh-2.03# grep atexit /lib/libc* |
| 19:15:33 | VerxWork | Binary file /lib/libc-2.2.5.so matches |
| 19:15:33 | VerxWork | Binary file /lib/libc.so.6 matches |
| 19:15:41 | nyargh | so, it's there |
| 19:15:47 | VerxWork | right |
| 19:15:47 | nyargh | you can dump the symbols if you want too |
| 19:15:48 | kergoth | hunger : er i meant use it to install a package to the rootfs.. ipkg -o $(BASE_DIR)/root install blah.ipk |
| 19:15:52 | nyargh | check this out: http://www.uclibc.org/lists/uclibc/2001-November/004429.html |
| 19:15:55 | VerxWork | what is that, nm? |
| 19:15:57 | VerxWork | or some such |
| 19:16:02 | kergoth | nm is nifty |
| 19:16:05 | nyargh | yah |
| 19:16:16 | hunger | kergoth: OZ can do that? Cool, didn't know that:-) |
| 19:17:06 | VerxWork | ok |
| 19:17:10 | VerxWork | nice find nyargh |
| 19:17:12 | kergoth | hunger: 'make openzaurus' creates the ipks and then uses the offline root function of ipkg to install them into the rootfs for image creation.. thats segfaulting at the moent. |
| 19:17:16 | VerxWork | I don't know where this wrapper is tho |
| 19:17:18 | VerxWork | or how to change it |
| 19:17:19 | VerxWork | :( |
| 19:17:27 | nyargh | ok verx |
| 19:17:33 | kergoth | hunger: hey i finally fixed the timezone bugs... |
| 19:17:44 | nyargh | now i'm doubting your actual need to write and compile code anywhere |
| 19:17:57 | hunger | kergoth: You did? They seemed fixed to me for a while now:-) |
| 19:18:00 | nyargh | if you can't figure out how to change CFLAGS |
| 19:18:10 | kergoth | hunger: fooled you. they were still broken. hehe |
| 19:18:26 | hunger | kergoth: How's the 2.4.18-port going? |
| 19:18:44 | VerxWork | nyargh: People can write code and not know everything under the sun about setting up their compiler environment |
| 19:18:50 | VerxWork | I am trying to learn |
| 19:18:51 | hunger | kergoth: Is the TZ-fix in the feed yet? |
| 19:19:00 | VerxWork | I haven't done C in about 10 years |
| 19:19:03 | VerxWork | been doing tcl/tk |
| 19:19:13 | kergoth | hunger : getting there.. the collie machine type is in the kernel, and I'm redoing the framebuffer driver atm |
| 19:19:14 | kergoth | brb |
| 19:19:32 | nyargh | VerxWork: you'll have to edit your Makefiles and stick it in there |
| 19:19:44 | nyargh | or go build a new glibc and a new gcc |
| 19:19:57 | nyargh | because the version you have was built with gcc 3.x and it broke all kinds of shit, apparently |
| 19:23:14 | whardier | anybody wanna throw $5000 my way? |
| 19:26:53 | Hellaenergy | whardier: I will |
| 19:28:05 | Hellaenergy | Please can I? |
| 19:28:36 | kergoth | whardier : heh |
| 19:29:11 | Hellaenergy | kergoth: how is it over there on the other side of the parking lot? |
| 19:30:20 | hunger | kergoth: |
| 19:30:22 | hunger | build/familiar/dist/ipkg-x86/C/ipkg -o /tmp/biopsy/ install sources/ipks/libart_20020528-1_arm.ipk |
| 19:30:22 | hunger | ipkg_conf_parse_file: failed to open /etc/ipkg.conf: No such file or directory |
| 19:30:22 | hunger | Installing libart (20020528-1) |
| 19:30:22 | hunger | Configuring libart...Done |
| 19:30:27 | kergoth | Hellaenergy: heh. kinda gloomy today actually |
| 19:30:37 | kergoth | hunger : yeah, mine just started working as well. for no apparent reason. |
| 19:30:43 | Hellaenergy | Good day for kernel hacking :) |
| 19:30:49 | kergoth | hunger : hehe. I think i had corruption in the ipkg database in my rootfs |
| 19:30:52 | kergoth | Hellaenergy : indeed :-) |
| 19:31:13 | whardier | Hellaenergy !.. you serious?! |
| 19:31:58 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:32:00 | kergoth | hey ljp |
| 19:32:23 | whardier | no really.. if you wanna.. go right ahead! |
| 19:33:11 | ljp | hi kergoth- how goes it? |
| 19:34:57 | kergoth | ljp : not bad, you? |
| 19:35:45 | ljp | tired.. I just wanted to sleep in this morning... |
| 19:36:02 | kergoth | ljp: know how ya feel there. I kept waking up all last night. didnt sleep much |
| 19:36:17 | ljp | supposedly.. qworst is hooking back up my dsl today |
| 19:36:28 | VerxWork | which is the more "stable" debian version: testing, or unstable ? |
| 19:36:48 | ljp | I'm going to go home and use up as much bandwidth as possible for as long as possible |
| 19:37:03 | kergoth | ljp: have a good time |
| 19:37:06 | ljp | hehe |
| 19:37:14 | VerxWork | ljp: Where ya live? |
| 19:37:18 | ljp | colorado |
| 19:37:23 | VerxWork | ahhh |
| 19:37:24 | VerxWork | Arizona here |
| 19:37:49 | VerxWork | no one knows if "testing" is more stable than "unstable" on debian? |
| 19:38:48 | ljp | whats debian..? ;) |
| 19:38:51 | VerxWork | heheheh |
| 19:39:12 | hunger | VerxWork: Why don't you ask that question on a debian channel? |
| 19:39:17 | VerxWork | I shall |
| 19:39:21 | VerxWork | just thought someone would know |
| 19:39:22 | VerxWork | :) |
| 19:39:44 | hunger | VerxWork: Or is the Zaurus a supported architecture of debian? |
| 19:40:10 | hunger | VerxWork: Meditate about the question for a while. The answer is obvious. |
| 19:40:15 | ljp | kergoth: did you find why atd isnt getting run on reboot? |
| 19:41:16 | kergoth | benmeyer: simple perhaps, but lacking in great functionality as well |
| 19:41:25 | kergoth | er wrong window |
| 19:41:26 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:43:56 | kergoth | what the fuck |
| 19:44:16 | kergoth | if i install my libc6 package into the rootfs, and then go to install a new package into that rootfs.. ipkg-x86 segfaults. |
| 19:44:19 | kergoth | ahhhh |
| 19:45:58 | kergoth | this is pissing me off.. |
| 19:48:02 | kergoth | Installing libc6 (2.2.4-7) |
| 19:48:02 | kergoth | Configuring libc6...Done |
| 19:48:03 | warmi_lunch | I feel your paint .. I was pulling my hair last night trying to figure out why my QPe app crashes as soon as QPEApplication object is created |
| 19:48:03 | kergoth | make[2]: *** [openzaurus_ipkextract] Error 139 |
| 19:48:21 | kergoth | warmi_lunch: ack, wtf. what was it? |
| 19:49:07 | warmi_lunch | don't know yet .. narrowed it down to a singleton class that have some static members ... crashing during initialization .. sounds like a problem with static initialization, I will work on it some more today |
| 19:49:35 | kergoth | ahh.. |
| 19:54:06 | warmi_lunch | yeah, C++ is not as simple as good old C .. there are tons of things that are being done atomaticaly behind your back and shit can go wrong there |
| 19:54:37 | kergoth | Indeed. Its got pluses and minuses. I like coding in c from time to time to mix things up a bit |
| 19:55:20 | ljp | I like mixing up html and C++ |
| 19:55:33 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:55:50 | ljp | #include <img src="blank.png"> |
| 19:55:58 | warmi_lunch | hehehe |
| 19:59:56 | benmeyer | http://www.csh.rit.edu/~benjamin/desktop/programs/nine/ |
| 20:09:30 | kergoth | hm i shouldnt have started 2 kernel builds simultaniously |
| 20:09:35 | kergoth | waits |
| 20:09:46 | BigBoss | howdy ho |
| 20:09:50 | kergoth | hey |
| 20:09:59 | CloudChaser | hello |
| 20:10:30 | BigBoss | what's new and exciting other than me? |
| 20:10:31 | BigBoss | :) |
| 20:10:44 | CloudChaser | hehe are you new or exciting? |
| 20:10:54 | BigBoss | I am all those things and more :) |
| 20:11:20 | CloudChaser | :) |
| 20:11:43 | kergoth | what the hell |
| 20:11:50 | kergoth | make(1): entering an unknown directory |
| 20:11:52 | kergoth | what? |
| 20:12:10 | kergoth | lol |
| 20:12:21 | BigBoss | twilight zone make command |
| 20:12:22 | ljp | hmhm ya nothing can make unknown direcoties |
| 20:12:56 | kergoth | it left the unknown directory too |
| 20:13:03 | kergoth | weird |
| 20:13:07 | kergoth | drinks more coffee |
| 20:13:26 | ljp | thats about like trying to delete a file that has unprontable characters in it in windows |
| 20:13:35 | ljp | unprintable even |
| 20:13:38 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:14:17 | ljp | I found out how to do that.. but it takes a special command |
| 20:14:44 | kergoth | cygwin + perl -e "unlink('blah');" |
| 20:14:45 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:14:55 | kergoth | bbiaf |
| 20:15:51 | kergoth | ahh |
| 20:15:53 | kergoth | make: Entering an unknown directorymake: Leaving an unknown directorymake[3]: ** |
| 20:15:54 | kergoth | * [_sfdep_core] Error 2 |
| 20:16:37 | kergoth | quiet chan today |
| 20:16:39 | kergoth | k ill brb |
| 20:25:01 | ljp | whatever happened to the 5000d rom update? |
| 20:30:35 | ljp | guess OZ is leaving the sharp rom in the dust.... |
| 20:31:19 | Harlekin | ljp: that sharp rom is horrible |
| 20:31:31 | Harlekin | ljp: check structure 2 days ago |
| 20:31:35 | Harlekin | ljp: happy not to have it |
| 20:31:36 | Harlekin | ,-) |
| 20:31:55 | ljp | huh? |
| 20:32:18 | Harlekin | really nice fs choice |
| 20:32:27 | ljp | there are a ton of symlinks.. creating a rom is painfull because of it |
| 20:33:26 | warmi | Harlekin: you mean the latest Sharp ROM update ? |
| 20:33:28 | warmi | for 5500 / |
| 20:33:31 | warmi | ? |
| 20:34:18 | Harlekin | warmi: which ever you take |
| 20:35:00 | whardier | is at the library |
| 20:35:01 | warmi | well, it works for me |
| 20:35:23 | warmi | I mean of course there are tons of bugs in Qtopia etc but that's normal :-) |
| 20:36:26 | Harlekin | warmi: not qtopia |
| 20:36:31 | Harlekin | warmi: the rom structure itself |
| 20:36:35 | ljp | ya I thought they were supposed to release a 5000d update sometime here soon |
| 20:36:40 | Harlekin | the idea to put aditional apps in ram .... |
| 20:38:11 | warmi | well, I am not much interested in setting up ROM details etc . and I don't know much about it |
| 20:38:21 | warmi | so you might be right there |
| 20:39:25 | kergoth | shit how much are those Z serial cables? |
| 20:39:28 | kergoth | hey Harlekin |
| 20:40:03 | VerxWork | nyargh: You still around? |
| 20:40:32 | numatrix | Don't know if this is old news, but did anyone else in the states notice that the zaurus shown in sunday's best buy flyer was running petittrack? Impressed the heck out of me that they'd be paying that close attention to the zaurus scene. |
| 20:40:32 | ljp | best thing about kmail, is that it doesn;t automatically run windows virus scripts/executables... heh |
| 20:40:41 | VerxWork | ljp: Could I get some help with ipkg? |
| 20:40:52 | numatrix | ljp: best thing about ~any~ non-windows mail client. :-) |
| 20:40:53 | VerxWork | I am trying to install a package |
| 20:40:54 | Harlekin | hey kergoth |
| 20:40:55 | ljp | verx: ok |
| 20:41:06 | VerxWork | it is complaining that it isn't available from any configured src. |
| 20:41:10 | Harlekin | kergoth: need to check out your root image too |
| 20:41:11 | VerxWork | I have it in the current directory |
| 20:41:11 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 20:41:14 | ljp | you using oipkg? or from the commandline? |
| 20:41:28 | VerxWork | it is just failing to see it, even though I am doing "ipkg install ./<full_package_name>" |
| 20:41:41 | VerxWork | from the commandline |
| 20:42:05 | kergoth | hrm wheres PCIMEM_BASE defined |
| 20:42:34 | ljp | verx: I always include the full path.. tried that? |
| 20:42:52 | VerxWork | sh-2.03# ipkg install /root/gcc-2.95_2.95.4-9_arm.deb |
| 20:42:52 | VerxWork | ERROR: Package gcc is not available from any configured src. |
| 20:42:52 | VerxWork | ERROR: Failed to download gcc. Perhaps you need to run `ipkg update'? |
| 20:42:57 | VerxWork | same thing |
| 20:42:58 | ljp | kergoth: probably some .h file somewhere |
| 20:43:32 | ljp | oohhh.. thats a .deb file your trying to have ipkg install |
| 20:43:42 | VerxWork | yeah |
| 20:43:47 | VerxWork | it just installed cpp just fine |
| 20:43:50 | tux_mike | kergoth: wacha hacking? |
| 20:44:01 | VerxWork | sh-2.03# ipkg install cpp-2.95_2.95.4-9_arm.deb |
| 20:44:01 | VerxWork | Installing cpp-2.95 (1:2.95.4-9) |
| 20:44:02 | VerxWork | Configuring cpp-2.95...Done |
| 20:44:05 | ljp | ipkg knows deb files? |
| 20:44:09 | VerxWork | yeah |
| 20:44:22 | ljp | hmmm didnt know that... |
| 20:44:23 | VerxWork | at least this one does anyway |
| 20:44:35 | VerxWork | sh-2.03# ipkg --version |
| 20:44:35 | VerxWork | ipkg version 0.99.11 |
| 20:44:50 | kergoth | tux_mike: working on the merge of the zaurus stuff into 2.4.18 |
| 20:45:05 | ljp | could try -force-install |
| 20:45:11 | tux_mike | kergoth: is all of it opend up? |
| 20:45:27 | kergoth | tux_mike: they claim they've released the kernel source which matches the kernel on the Z, yes. |
| 20:45:28 | VerxWork | ljp: It is just INSISTING on using its network connection to grab files |
| 20:45:46 | tux_mike | kergoth: i'm guessing no SD driver, though? |
| 20:45:48 | VerxWork | I have seen this before, but I am not sure how I fixed it |
| 20:45:55 | kergoth | tux_mike: correct |
| 20:45:59 | VerxWork | (on fresh familiar installs) |
| 20:46:11 | kergoth | tux_mike: but if i get this working, we'll have bzflag build it for this kernel |
| 20:46:20 | kergoth | tux_mike: :-) |
| 20:46:29 | VerxWork | kergoth: Who is bzflag? |
| 20:46:38 | tux_mike | ah, bzflag still working at lineo? :) |
| 20:46:41 | kergoth | VerxWork: Tim Riker |
| 20:46:53 | kergoth | tux_mike: yeah, he was promoted. heh |
| 20:47:06 | tux_mike | hey, at least one person is still working there :) |
| 20:47:09 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:47:52 | numatrix | Does anyone know why the sd drivers aren't open? |
| 20:47:55 | ljp | whats ipkg -offline <offline_root> for? |
| 20:47:58 | tux_mike | so lineo holds the drivers to the SD interface? |
| 20:48:08 | numatrix | I mean, the reasoning behind them keeping them closed. |
| 20:48:24 | benmeyer | ok later |
| 20:48:26 | tux_mike | numatrix: i belive it's due to the license on the SD documentation. |
| 20:48:29 | kergoth | ljp: to install into a root other than / |
| 20:48:34 | benmeyer | need to finish up a few things before heading home |
| 20:48:43 | kergoth | ljp: which is how i preinstall ipks into openzaurus |
| 20:48:53 | ljp | ok |
| 20:49:14 | kergoth | ipkg -o ~/buildroot-oz/root -f ~/buildroot-oz/root/etc/ipkg.conf install blah |
| 20:49:15 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:49:17 | numatrix | tux_mike I guess that makes sense. If it's a proprietary format still. |
| 20:49:42 | hunger | kergoth: Are the TZ fixes in the feed yet? |
| 20:49:48 | hunger | bugs kergoth. |
| 20:49:56 | hunger | kergoth: I need my daily fix;-) |
| 20:49:56 | kergoth | hunger: not yet. I'll get it. patience. |
| 20:49:58 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:50:01 | tux_mike | numatrix: very well always can be concidered proprietary |
| 20:50:07 | ljp | TZ fixes? |
| 20:50:26 | Harlekin | anybody here with openzaurus and sd/mmc card at hand? |
| 20:50:28 | kergoth | ljp: oz3b10 out of the box still has timezone difficulties on reboot/suspend.. for some reason |
| 20:50:33 | hunger | ljp: Kergoth fixed the timezone bug in OZ. Till now it's just a workaround. |
| 20:50:53 | kergoth | ljp: the fix depends on whether you're using opie or not.. |
| 20:50:55 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:51:33 | hunger | Damn mesa... won't work on my Z:-( |
| 20:52:22 | ljp | if qworst hasnt set back up my dsl by the time I get home.. I'm going to hookup a generator to the phone line |
| 20:52:25 | kergoth | ljp: the easiest solution is start atd by default and remove hwclock. if you dont use opie and therefore atd, the problem was related to the hwclock scripts |
| 20:53:06 | ljp | hmm I suppose wothout opie.. I'd be stuck at console |
| 20:53:31 | ljp | oh ya.. there X.. I forgot |
| 20:53:50 | kergoth | and picogui :-) |
| 20:54:09 | ljp | ya.. picogui.. I want to try that out sometime |
| 20:57:08 | ljp | bbl |
| 21:12:11 | VerxWork | cripes |
| 21:13:16 | VerxWork | I think the bahia usb driver is still pretty beta. .. |
| 21:15:11 | VerxWork | bbiaf |
| 21:35:57 | kergoth | make clean oldconfig dep && make zImage |
| 21:35:58 | kergoth | er |
| 21:36:01 | kergoth | wrong window |
| 21:36:32 | [DrEvil] | um |
| 21:36:33 | [DrEvil] | yeah |
| 21:36:49 | [DrEvil] | kergoth: does that script I was asking about have a file list? |
| 21:37:40 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: the script doesnt.. but I put together a list associating files to package names.. i dont remember if i had included java .. and i dont remember if it was complete |
| 21:38:05 | [DrEvil] | do you have a list for Opera? |
| 21:41:08 | | I haven't seen 'BigBrother', killefiz |
| 21:41:08 | killefiz | ibot: seen BigBrother |
| 21:41:15 | | BigBoss was last seen on #zaurus 1 hours, 28 minutes and 54 seconds ago, saying: twilight zone make command [Tue May 28 21:12:21 2002] |
| 21:41:15 | killefiz | ibot: seen BigBoss |
| 21:45:05 | kergoth | whee |
| 21:45:08 | kergoth | bored. |
| 21:46:24 | whardier | kicks kergoth |
| 21:46:28 | whardier | YOU BORED NOW YOU TIT! |
| 21:46:54 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:46:58 | killefiz | is there a way to make ipkg install even if the postinst script is broken? |
| 21:46:59 | kergoth | yep |
| 21:47:05 | kergoth | killefiz: fix the script? |
| 21:47:18 | killefiz | kergoth: it's not mine, it's tkc's |
| 21:47:40 | kergoth | id fix it anyway just to get it to install |
| 21:47:45 | killefiz | it would be easier just to skip it because i'm not allowed to distribute my "changes" anyway ;) |
| 21:48:00 | killefiz | yeah - i'll do that then |
| 21:48:04 | kergoth | hehe. dont know if you can skip it tho |
| 21:48:20 | kergoth | arch/arm/mach-sa1100/sa1100.o(.text.init+0x2e8): undefined reference to `suspend_collie_charge_on' |
| 21:48:25 | kergoth | oops. knew i was missing something. |
| 21:51:57 | whardier | kergoth baby |
| 21:52:01 | whardier | dies beta10 boot? |
| 21:52:10 | whardier | or rather does the kernel 26-6 boot? |
| 21:52:18 | kergoth | should work fine |
| 21:52:23 | whardier | rawrf |
| 21:52:30 | whardier | my zaurus is k-lined |
| 21:52:36 | kergoth | i havent played with 26-6 in a long ass time, but should work.. ill flash my 5000d and test |
| 21:52:42 | whardier | err |
| 21:52:43 | whardier | bastard |
| 21:52:52 | whardier | wanna give me your 5000d? |
| 21:52:52 | whardier | haha |
| 21:53:01 | whardier | I love you long time! |
| 21:53:03 | kergoth | with a worthless touchscreen? |
| 21:53:04 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:53:07 | whardier | yeah |
| 21:53:10 | whardier | with a worthless touchscreen |
| 21:53:13 | whardier | I don't need it |
| 21:53:22 | whardier | I am just gonna rip the fucker apart anyways |
| 21:53:37 | kergoth | heh. naw. I've got some hacks in mind for it |
| 21:54:07 | whardier | yeah I figured |
| 21:54:14 | whardier | I need eveerybodys broken sl5000d |
| 21:54:21 | whardier | cause I cannot aford a bitsy yet |
| 21:54:37 | kergoth | bitsy? |
| 21:54:39 | whardier | bitsy's are gonna be the main machine for the networks i am gonna create |
| 21:55:08 | kergoth | wtf is a bisty? |
| 21:55:09 | whardier | http://www.applieddata.net/products_bitsy.asp |
| 21:55:12 | kergoth | s/st/ts/ |
| 21:55:15 | kergoth | reads |
| 21:55:35 | whardier | http://www.applieddata.net/products_bitsyborgspecs.asp thats a funny read |
| 21:56:14 | kergoth | i thought that sounded familiar.. i remembered seeing it in the kernel sources. # CONFIG_SA1100_ADSBITSY is not set |
| 21:56:16 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:56:19 | whardier | yeah |
| 21:56:30 | whardier | this is gonna be my new platform of choice for these ad-hoc nodes I am creating |
| 21:56:34 | whardier | I cannot afford the $5000 |
| 21:56:37 | whardier | for the dev kit |
| 21:56:39 | kergoth | ah.. |
| 21:56:43 | whardier | but a Zaurus would work perfectly |
| 21:56:49 | whardier | so I am gonna use mine as a node |
| 21:56:55 | whardier | and quite possibly write some software |
| 21:56:56 | kergoth | I just wasted a lot of toner. printed out the intel sa1110 dev manual. heh |
| 21:56:56 | whardier | haha |
| 21:58:00 | kergoth | have fun |
| 21:58:39 | kergoth | shit whats the url to kismet_qt again |
| 21:58:50 | kergoth | MS_away: when you get back, give me the url to kismet_qt again |
| 21:59:05 | whardier | there is this neat bot on another channel |
| 21:59:10 | kergoth | whats it do |
| 21:59:11 | whardier | you just say !MS_away hey jackass |
| 21:59:19 | whardier | and when they say something they get a priv msg |
| 21:59:21 | whardier | from the bot |
| 21:59:22 | whardier | from you |
| 21:59:34 | whardier | woot |
| 21:59:34 | kergoth | ibot: message for whardier: hey jackass |
| 21:59:39 | whardier | my government grant rip is done |
| 21:59:44 | whardier | ooh neat |
| 21:59:48 | whardier | do it again! |
| 21:59:53 | d_Eric | kergoth: is this what you're looking for? |
| 21:59:55 | d_Eric | http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=116 |
| 21:59:58 | kergoth | ibot: message for whardier: hey jackass! |
| 22:00:00 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:00:03 | whardier | talks |
| 22:00:06 | whardier | gets beeped! |
| 22:00:08 | whardier | hehe |
| 22:00:09 | whardier | nice |
| 22:00:22 | d_Eric | oh, no its not... that's just the console version |
| 22:00:33 | whardier | http://segfault.bogomip.com/work/grants/ |
| 22:00:35 | whardier | anybody need a grant |
| 22:00:57 | kergoth | d_Eric: mspin is working on a Qt gui for kismet. that url is kismet itself :-) |
| 22:01:22 | d_Eric | i was close . . . |
| 22:01:24 | d_Eric | ;) |
| 22:01:33 | whardier | OOOOH |
| 22:01:34 | whardier | http://segfault.bogomip.com/work/grants/12.910-277 |
| 22:01:37 | whardier | a DOD contract! |
| 22:01:40 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:01:40 | whardier | for wireless stuff |
| 22:01:43 | whardier | anybody wanna help? |
| 22:01:50 | whardier | I have the infrastructure set up |
| 22:02:10 | d_Eric | DARPA contracts for "security infrastructure" are really low-hanging fruit these days (if you're a US citizen that is) |
| 22:02:19 | whardier | hahaha |
| 22:02:26 | whardier | d_Eric just you wait my friend |
| 22:03:00 | whardier | with my new networking style (soon to be documented) |
| 22:03:08 | whardier | I will create DOD devices that nobody can hack |
| 22:03:09 | whardier | MWA YA YA YA |
| 22:03:10 | whardier | err |
| 22:03:12 | whardier | HAHAHAHA |
| 22:03:15 | whardier | actually |
| 22:03:17 | whardier | imagine this |
| 22:03:24 | whardier | I got bonding to work over tunnels |
| 22:03:26 | whardier | I was all happy |
| 22:03:34 | whardier | I was using blowfish |
| 22:03:35 | whardier | over 3 tunnels |
| 22:03:40 | whardier | going thru 3 different routes |
| 22:03:43 | whardier | then eventually merging |
| 22:03:48 | d_Eric | *blink* |
| 22:03:52 | whardier | you think there was a chance in hell anybody was ever able to listen in? |
| 22:03:56 | kergoth | whardier: sweet |
| 22:04:05 | whardier | kergoth.. my sweetness only just begins there |
| 22:04:08 | VerxWork | kergoth: I am having some EXTREME ipkg weirdness |
| 22:04:16 | d_Eric | whardier: what if "they" compromised your 1st stage router :p |
| 22:04:18 | whardier | has to write his madmans guide to networking book |
| 22:04:20 | VerxWork | can you take a look at this: |
| 22:04:34 | kergoth | VerxWork: k.. |
| 22:04:37 | VerxWork | sh-2.03# ipkg install gcc-2.95_2.95.4-9_arm.deb |
| 22:04:37 | VerxWork | ERROR: Package gcc is not available from any configured src. |
| 22:04:37 | VerxWork | ERROR: Failed to download gcc. Perhaps you need to run `ipkg update'? |
| 22:04:39 | whardier | d_Eric it has to go out thru a bonding device |
| 22:04:48 | whardier | there is nothing inbetween the bonding device and the tunnels |
| 22:04:59 | whardier | so if they can listen in on the connection as it goes to the bonding device |
| 22:05:00 | whardier | then sure |
| 22:05:03 | whardier | not a problem |
| 22:05:11 | whardier | or using ettercap or similar on my 1st stage router |
| 22:05:12 | VerxWork | and gcc is in the current directory |
| 22:05:13 | whardier | thats fine too |
| 22:05:26 | whardier | anyhoot |
| 22:05:27 | kergoth | VerxWork: sounds like 1) fucked up gcc package, or 2) ipkg bug |
| 22:05:29 | VerxWork | I can even say "ipkg install ./gcc-2.95_2.95.4-9_arm.deb" |
| 22:05:36 | whardier | if nobody is gonna give me $5000 or their old Zaurus |
| 22:05:39 | whardier | then I should go |
| 22:05:39 | whardier | hahaha |
| 22:05:47 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:05:51 | kergoth | selfish bastard, you |
| 22:05:53 | kergoth | :-p |
| 22:05:56 | whardier | actually I am just gonna shut up for a while and concentrate on being a madman |
| 22:05:57 | VerxWork | kergoth: I think that it might be screwed up gcc package then |
| 22:05:57 | d_Eric | are thre any old Zauruses yet? |
| 22:05:57 | VerxWork | :( |
| 22:06:06 | whardier | d_Eric mine is old.. lookin |
| 22:06:10 | VerxWork | how do I extract the pieces of a .deb? |
| 22:06:18 | d_Eric | lol. mine too whardier |
| 22:06:21 | VerxWork | to try to install it manually |
| 22:06:23 | whardier | heh |
| 22:06:26 | whardier | it needs help |
| 22:07:00 | kergoth | woot. bout done re-merging collie support into sa1100fb.c |
| 22:08:49 | whardier | groovy |
| 22:08:54 | whardier | err kergoth |
| 22:08:57 | VerxWork | what is collie? |
| 22:09:02 | whardier | would you mind babystepping me thru something? |
| 22:09:27 | KhensU_work | VerxWork: do you have dpkg? |
| 22:10:19 | kergoth | aha oops.. I just removed the init code that turned on the charge led if power was connected. oh well. i'll put it back later |
| 22:10:19 | VerxWork | KhensU: Nope |
| 22:10:21 | kergoth | whardier : what? |
| 22:10:29 | whardier | the buildsystem |
| 22:10:32 | whardier | I need to build it again |
| 22:10:49 | whardier | whats the newest protocol |
| 22:10:52 | kergoth | whardier: hunger added toolchain build support now. its nifty. |
| 22:10:57 | KhensU_work | VerxWork: use ar then. ie ar x <debfile> |
| 22:10:58 | whardier | err |
| 22:11:00 | kergoth | whardier: cvs co, make openzaurus |
| 22:11:00 | whardier | what does that mean? |
| 22:11:26 | KhensU_work | VerxWork: you'll get control.tar.gz and data.tar.gz |
| 22:11:39 | VerxWork | thanks KhensU |
| 22:11:40 | kergoth | whardier: it means you could start a build without having the embedix toolchain installed, and it'll build one. heh |
| 22:11:48 | whardier | err |
| 22:11:48 | whardier | wait |
| 22:11:49 | kergoth | whardier: once its integrated into cvs anyway |
| 22:11:57 | whardier | so I can grab this to a non arm gcc prepped machine? |
| 22:12:10 | kergoth | whardier: once i add hunger's .mk files into cvs, yes. |
| 22:12:15 | whardier | err |
| 22:12:16 | whardier | ok |
| 22:12:18 | whardier | but for now? |
| 22:12:30 | kergoth | install the embedix toolchain from the sharp dev site, cvs co, make openzaurus |
| 22:12:45 | whardier | ok |
| 22:12:49 | whardier | I am gonna just use geezer |
| 22:13:19 | whardier | glad to see you did not get locked out of it |
| 22:13:27 | whardier | I don't work where geezer is anymore |
| 22:13:47 | whardier | for about 3 months now |
| 22:14:02 | kergoth | whardier: dont copy my build dir.. checkout your own. |
| 22:14:04 | kergoth | whardier: hehe. ah |
| 22:14:07 | whardier | I did |
| 22:14:36 | whardier | whats with this ipkg cvs shit still? |
| 22:14:42 | whardier | anoncvs password? |
| 22:14:54 | whardier | and if you fail to enter it right the buildsystem is fuxored |
| 22:15:42 | whardier | needs to add a few modules and some software to his Zaurus |
| 22:15:46 | whardier | and apparently reflash it |
| 22:15:50 | whardier | since it is no booty |
| 22:15:52 | whardier | it can flash |
| 22:15:57 | whardier | but it ain't got no booty! |
| 22:16:00 | whardier | GEDDIT! |
| 22:16:23 | whardier | don't you hate it how I spontaniously get interested in the Zaurus again then ask the same damn questions over and over again |
| 22:16:24 | whardier | haha |
| 22:16:57 | kergoth | write the shit down man |
| 22:16:58 | kergoth | hehh |
| 22:17:01 | kergoth | ipkg cvs is anoncvs |
| 22:17:09 | kergoth | busybox cvs is NULL.. just hit enter |
| 22:17:20 | whardier | kicks kergoth |
| 22:17:30 | whardier | how about I just get a tattoo gun |
| 22:17:32 | whardier | would that make you happy! |
| 22:17:42 | kergoth | there ya go |
| 22:17:43 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:18:14 | kergoth | hey 2.4.18 using collie actually compiled.. including the framebuffer driver. time to flash and see if it manages to turn on the lcd |
| 22:18:31 | VerxWork | kergoth: What is collie?!?!? |
| 22:18:57 | kergoth | VerxWork: an implementation using the sa1100 chip. specifically, its the zaurus |
| 22:19:02 | VerxWork | ahhh |
| 22:19:10 | kergoth | or rather, the implementation they went with in the zaurus, to clarify |
| 22:19:21 | kergoth | basically I want 2.4.18-rmk6 on my Z |
| 22:19:22 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:19:54 | kergoth | course I yanked the ability for the unit to suspend, and removed the charge light turning on when power is plugged in.. and all sorts of other stuff. but I'll add everything in one thing at a time. heh |
| 22:20:17 | d_Eric | suspend == good |
| 22:20:21 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:20:26 | whardier | kergoth what version is the kernel on sf? |
| 22:20:46 | kergoth | whardier: same as the sharp rom. 2.4.6 with rmk and np patches and the embedix patch |
| 22:20:46 | hunger | d_Eric: suspend == good, light == bad. |
| 22:21:06 | whardier | oh btw .. haha I found a very practical networking solution for Zaurus's |
| 22:21:12 | kergoth | which is |
| 22:21:14 | kergoth | .. |
| 22:21:16 | whardier | it requires a 2 dollar cord |
| 22:21:24 | whardier | digs it up |
| 22:21:45 | Cam | 2 dollar? |
| 22:21:58 | d_Eric | USB <-> serial? |
| 22:22:16 | whardier | x x<M> Soundcard modem driver (NEW) x x |
| 22:22:17 | whardier | x x[ ] soundmodem support for Soundblaster and compatible cards (NEW) x x |
| 22:22:19 | whardier | hehe |
| 22:22:20 | whardier | its slow |
| 22:22:22 | whardier | but it works! |
| 22:22:28 | Cam | lol |
| 22:22:41 | whardier | under amatuer radio support |
| 22:22:49 | d_Eric | 9600 baud! woohoo! |
| 22:22:52 | whardier | haha |
| 22:23:13 | whardier | think of how cool that is! |
| 22:23:13 | VerxWork | whardier: I don't get it |
| 22:23:24 | VerxWork | what device are you networking over? |
| 22:23:40 | VerxWork | or is it going through the 1/8" stereo jack? |
| 22:23:40 | whardier | the sound card |
| 22:23:40 | d_Eric | VerxWork: that uses the Z's line-out to emulate a modem |
| 22:23:42 | Cam | back to the future, load up some zx spectrum games from tapes |
| 22:24:00 | whardier | hehe |
| 22:24:03 | whardier | its full duplex |
| 22:24:04 | d_Eric | ... actually it probably needs the line-in too |
| 22:24:05 | whardier | so might as well |
| 22:24:12 | Cam | wow man I can get .8Mb storage on my recording walkman |
| 22:24:56 | whardier | http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/alabaster/A182765 <- longest word |
| 22:25:03 | kergoth | whardier: i suspect that driver may get confused by the fact that audio in is a seperate device from audio out. heh |
| 22:25:50 | whardier | kergoth nothing a little mushu pork can't handle |
| 22:26:03 | kergoth | heheh |
| 22:26:09 | whardier | I wanna play with it damnit |
| 22:26:10 | d_Eric | eric suspects that the Z's line-in and line-out are not really prepared for the kind of transients/spikes present on the phone lines |
| 22:26:10 | whardier | haha |
| 22:26:33 | kergoth | does anyone know what hardware is used for the Z's buzzer? is it a speaker, or a piezo? |
| 22:26:43 | whardier | the reason I was looking at that driver to begin with is because I can bond >2 ham packet connections together pretty easily |
| 22:26:50 | kergoth | ah |
| 22:26:50 | d_Eric | phone line: *ring* ; Zaurus: *emits blue smoke* |
| 22:27:10 | whardier | HAHAHA |
| 22:27:23 | Cam | IMHO sharp were very short sighted in not including a filter and ADSL port :-/ |
| 22:27:25 | whardier | don't phones make red smoke? |
| 22:27:43 | d_Eric | Zaurus != phone ... that's the whole problem! |
| 22:27:46 | kergoth | Cam: filter? |
| 22:28:36 | Cam | y'know you have a filter to split the signal between phone and DSL equipment |
| 22:28:55 | Cam | my filter is only a little smaller than the Z :) |
| 22:29:29 | d_Eric | Cam: you'd also need an opto-isolator or something. a telephone ring is > 100 volts |
| 22:29:58 | Cam | well the ADSL port would kind of use that |
| 22:30:24 | kergoth | Cam: oh that filter. heh |
| 22:30:58 | d_Eric | I think the future of Zaurus networking would use the Z-camera from Sharp |
| 22:31:29 | d_Eric | it can display (and recognize) 2d barcodes |
| 22:31:39 | Rince | it can? |
| 22:31:43 | Rince | Hmmm... |
| 22:31:48 | Cam | coming soon, gesture recognition |
| 22:31:49 | Rince | that would be cool! |
| 22:31:51 | d_Eric | well... the Zaurus can |
| 22:32:03 | d_Eric | display; the camera can receive |
| 22:32:05 | Rince | then I'd like to use it to put my DVDs, CDs and Books into a database :-) |
| 22:32:48 | Cam | I wonder if you could make an IrDA repeater with a laser pointer and some electronics... imagine beaming stuff across the room |
| 22:35:22 | whardier | can finally rip DVD's at around 20fps.. that a lot higher than the 6fps on my other machine |
| 22:35:22 | whardier | hehe |
| 22:36:16 | d_Eric | Cam: you can go a lot farther than across the room. see http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/02/10/2317243&mode=thread&tid=126 |
| 22:36:59 | d_Eric | oops... wrong link (again) |
| 22:37:01 | Cam | aiming an ir laser is kind of tricky though |
| 22:37:43 | hunger | Cam: Just make it powerful enough: It points to where the smoke is:-) |
| 22:37:45 | Cam | from a handheld with a few degrees of jitter ... I'd guess across the street would be about the limit |
| 22:38:16 | Cam | hehe beam me your vcard again, and try not to blind me this time |
| 22:38:33 | d_Eric | actually the vcard beaming is a really great feature |
| 22:39:10 | Cam | I had fun beaming from my cellphone to my PDA and back again - but I only ever used the feature once in the wild... I should get out more |
| 22:39:17 | d_Eric | eric has gotten 2 (attractive) girl's #'s with it already |
| 22:39:44 | Cam | d_Eric: how did you configure Obex to reject the mingers? |
| 22:40:34 | d_Eric | Obex? minger? |
| 22:41:15 | Cam | Obex - the protocol for swapping vcards? minger ~= (!attractive) |
| 22:41:30 | d_Eric | ah... lol |
| 22:42:00 | d_Eric | no Obex conf. necessary -- i just keep the Z in-pocket until the time comes to get an HBs # |
| 22:42:52 | Cam | hehe you should download their whole SIM while you're at it |
| 22:42:52 | d_Eric | lol |
| 22:43:06 | d_Eric | all I care about is that it makes it much less likely that I get a fake number :p |
| 22:43:18 | d_Eric | when it comes straight from their phone |
| 22:43:39 | Cam | do you get a lot of fake #s otherwise? LOL |
| 22:44:20 | d_Eric | it's not as funny when it happens to you |
| 22:44:30 | Cam | Hey let's have a sweepstake on how long the Qt and Sharp guys are going to chew over the contest |
| 22:45:04 | Cam | whoever wins will surely have no trouble attracting chicks with the awesome array of prizes |
| 22:45:22 | Cam | assuming the technology isn't obsolete by the time they make the announcement |
| 22:46:30 | warmi | heh |
| 22:46:53 | warmi | hey ... they have to be fair to everyone and if it takes another 4 moths so be it .. |
| 22:47:27 | whardier | has gum on his shoe |
| 22:47:41 | Cam | It will take them longer to judge the entries than it took most people to write them |
| 22:47:41 | warmi | on the other hand I hope Trolls stop organizing contests and stick to their core strenght which is Qt .. |
| 22:47:45 | whardier | err.. so nobody wants to sell me their cracked screen SL5000D's? |
| 22:47:46 | whardier | hehe |
| 22:48:08 | d_Eric | why would you crack your Z's screen? |
| 22:48:10 | warmi | Cam: hehehe |
| 22:48:15 | whardier | when you fall |
| 22:48:16 | whardier | hehe |
| 22:48:23 | whardier | its happened 2 times that I know of |
| 22:48:46 | Cam | shit, no skateboarding with Z in cargo pocket. You have been warned |
| 22:49:57 | Cam | don't the Japanese ones come with a neckstrap or something? |
| 22:50:17 | warmi | neckstrap ?? |
| 22:50:20 | warmi | huh |
| 22:50:26 | Cam | lanyard |
| 22:51:01 | warmi | Cam: you know why contest results are not being annouced yet ? |
| 22:51:27 | Cam | someone crucial has been on holiday each week apart from one or two weeks |
| 22:51:31 | warmi | or at least what Neo think is the reason |
| 22:51:44 | Cam | so, they have only had a week or two to judge? I'm guessing |
| 22:51:53 | Cam | go on...? |
| 22:52:04 | warmi | no , there was some mixup with final submissions and some of them got "lost" and never got judged despite being confirmed as entered |
| 22:52:05 | warmi | etc |
| 22:52:14 | warmi | something like that |
| 22:52:25 | warmi | I think it happened to Strategic Assault , the game |
| 22:52:42 | Cam | well.... didn't they all appear on a feed shortly after I listed the beta winners on zaurus zone, and collected links to ipks? |
| 22:53:02 | warmi | no, we are talking about final submissions |
| 22:53:08 | Cam | SA wasn't entered, was it? David had some other entry |
| 22:53:10 | tux_mike | i'm glad i never did anything for this contest now, whit how long it's taking... i've all but forgotten about it |
| 22:53:15 | Cam | and only one per person was allowed |
| 22:53:19 | warmi | there were some folks who never managed to submit anything for the beta stage |
| 22:53:27 | warmi | no, David did not write SA |
| 22:53:35 | Cam | Ohh... but he ported it |
| 22:53:55 | warmi | hw just ported it and whoever wrote the original entered his port into competition |
| 22:54:06 | Cam | I nearly didn't enter (glad that I did now) - I thought the rules were too unclear over porting and ownership. |
| 22:54:08 | warmi | or something like that |
| 22:55:21 | warmi | anyway, since Jason in on vacation .. I think we can safely say we won't see the results for anotehr week or so |
| 22:55:31 | Cam | well someone from Sharp said that if you were not one of the beta winners you probably didn't have a huge chance.. |
| 22:56:09 | warmi | Cam: no exactly .. if you never managed to submit your entry for the beta stage , they never had a chance to see it |
| 22:56:22 | warmi | so your final submission is the first time the judges get to see it |
| 22:56:29 | tux_mike | true, but if someone didn't submit to beta, and had something that's on-par with the other beta winners, they'd have to contend, otherwise it'd be unfair |
| 22:56:43 | Cam | I s'pose |
| 22:57:08 | Cam | or would they be a corporate entity submitting a port of... star office or something |
| 22:57:28 | warmi | bttom line is , the beta stage was voluntary and completely unrelated to the final output |
| 22:57:52 | warmi | heh |
| 22:58:05 | Cam | I still wonder if the Sharp Suits (tm) think they got a good ROI for the contest |
| 22:58:13 | warmi | well, if you legally own the rights to the port then I guess it would be OK |
| 22:58:25 | Cam | ah, but is it original? |
| 22:58:41 | warmi | I don't know .. |
| 22:58:54 | warmi | heh .. that's something for Trolls to figure it out |
| 22:59:17 | warmi | but , as I said, I don't think this is what's holding up the contest |
| 22:59:46 | tux_mike | i think it should be for the copyright holder. porters are just a 3rd party, usually with their copyrights stripped by agreement of payment or other reimbursment |
| 22:59:52 | warmi | I think it is simply bad CGi script or something that caused valid upload not to be included in the poll of apps taht were sent to the judges |
| 23:00:36 | Cam | yeah I never trust HTTP uploads, especially not big ones |
| 23:01:18 | warmi | well, will see ... |
| 23:01:33 | tux_mike | is there a web page for kitchensync? |
| 23:01:34 | warmi | I don't think I am going to win anyway ... Games don't win contests like that |
| 23:01:54 | | kitchensync is the ultimate syncing tool for KDE3 written by Aliens at the Area 51a ;) or not out yet. or in the kde3 cvs |
| 23:01:54 | tux_mike | ibot kitchensync |
| 23:02:22 | warmi | I thought you were kidding with that kitchensync .. |
| 23:02:24 | warmi | hehe |
| 23:02:38 | tux_mike | nope. zecke's working on it |
| 23:03:32 | Harlekin | actually it is syncing now |
| 23:04:01 | tux_mike | cool. what apps on the desktop side? |
| 23:04:20 | warmi | time to go home ... bye |
| 23:04:28 | Cam | cya warmi |
| 23:05:57 | Harlekin | tux_mike: korganizer , kaddressbook, evolution |
| 23:06:22 | Harlekin | tux_mike: zecke and i still need to find some bugs |
| 23:06:26 | Guru | hello! |
| 23:06:27 | Harlekin | tux_mike: und gui need some work |
| 23:06:28 | tux_mike | sweet. i'll have to check it out :) |
| 23:06:28 | Harlekin | but |
| 23:06:34 | Harlekin | tux_mike: next week |
| 23:06:36 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 23:06:37 | Guru | can someone help me with the latest OZ? |
| 23:06:40 | Guru | kergoth: u there? |
| 23:06:47 | tux_mike | Harlekin: i doubt i'd get to it by then |
| 23:07:12 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 23:07:14 | Harlekin | tux_mike: arachni.kiwi.uni-hamburg.de/~harlekin/screeny2.jpg |
| 23:07:15 | Guru | I installed OZ3 b10, and now I have no wireless access, nor do I have sync/file xfer via USB. |
| 23:07:41 | Guru | everything worked great with the Sharp Rom (i have an SL-5500) |
| 23:07:49 | whardier | I should make more graphics huh |
| 23:07:49 | Guru | anyone? |
| 23:08:10 | tux_mike | but, as far as evolution goes, i'm not sure if you know thyis, but does it sync contacts with evo, and if so, can it take off multiple contact "folders" |
| 23:08:57 | Harlekin | hmm,evo ist still to go |
| 23:09:10 | Harlekin | but since it was unsing same vcal stuff |
| 23:09:14 | Guru | Anyone else having networking problems with OZ3b10? |
| 23:09:33 | kergoth | Guru: please check the bug tracker on SF. wireless related difficulties are already reported. |
| 23:09:50 | kergoth | Guru: wireless DOES work, but automatic config on card insertion sometimes fails |
| 23:10:09 | kergoth | Guru: usb networking works flawlessly in my experience. if you cant sync, install opie-security and check Settings->Security |
| 23:10:10 | whardier | kicks wireless |
| 23:10:41 | kergoth | whardier: heh. any idea how to easily log hte output of the pcmcia-cs scripts on card insertion? debug flag perhaps? hm |
| 23:11:15 | kergoth | Guru: and beyond that, no more OZ tech support for me today. If you find more bugs, report them, and I'll triage and fix them. |
| 23:11:17 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:11:21 | kergoth | bout to head home |
| 23:13:01 | Guru | kergoth: settings->security is set to allow "ALL", where can i find this bug tracker you are referring to? |
| 23:13:11 | kergoth | Guru: can you ping your Z? |
| 23:13:18 | Guru | kergoth: nope. I cannot ping |
| 23:13:18 | kergoth | Guru: ugh.. the same place you downloaded it. |
| 23:13:21 | | openzaurus is a Community version of the operating environment for the Sharp Zaurus SL-5x00[d] PDA. See http://openzaurus.sf.net/. or http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/ |
| 23:13:21 | kergoth | ibot: openzaurus? |
| 23:13:37 | kergoth | its on sourceforge. sourceforge provides a bug tracker |
| 23:14:10 | Guru | ahhh.. okay, I'll check it out.. I already know about the gui config bug, but I changed the "SSID" to "ESSID" to no avail. |
| 23:14:24 | Guru | in the wireless.opts file that is. |
| 23:14:24 | kergoth | what gui config bug? |
| 23:14:38 | Guru | the Wireless GUI config bug... |
| 23:14:40 | kergoth | wlansetup works in oz3b10 |
| 23:15:13 | kergoth | though it doesnt properly shutdown and restart hte pcmcia subsystem. thats fixed and triaged for the b10 release |
| 23:15:19 | Guru | so in /etc/pcmcia/wireless.opts the first line is suppose to read SSID instead of ESSID? |
| 23:15:24 | kergoth | Guru : yes. |
| 23:15:27 | kergoth | k i'm out |
| 23:15:32 | Guru | cya kergoth! |
| 23:15:38 | kergoth | report the bugs on the tracker, and i'll debug em ;-) |
| 23:16:01 | Hellaenergy | anyone know what the module-info file is used for? |
| 23:16:12 | Hellaenergy | specifically |
| 23:16:17 | whardier | http://segfault.bogomip.com/whardier.png |
| 23:16:20 | whardier | the new me |
| 23:16:21 | whardier | hehe |
| 23:17:02 | Hellaenergy | nice look |
| 23:17:16 | whardier | I can't date girls named Sarah.. or Travis for that matter |
| 23:18:08 | tux_mike | girls named Travis?! |
| 23:21:46 | Hellaenergy | anyone ever thought about an amanda client on the z? |
| 23:22:37 | whardier | Hellaenergy |
| 23:22:39 | whardier | hahaha |
| 23:22:43 | whardier | ever seen rsync! |
| 23:22:54 | whardier | I tape backup'ed my Z |
| 23:22:55 | whardier | hahaha |
| 23:22:59 | Hellaenergy | yup |
| 23:22:59 | whardier | thats so wrong |
| 23:23:17 | Hellaenergy | really |
| 23:23:31 | Hellaenergy | with rsync |
| 23:36:39 | whardier | kicks Hellaenergy in the dongl;e |
| 23:36:50 | MSpin | heya guys |
| 23:36:51 | whardier | hmm.. seems there was a partial colon in that last statement |
| 23:36:59 | whardier | sorry for the misfire |
| 23:37:02 | whardier | retracts his leg |
| 23:38:07 | whardier | takes the paintball gun outside to shoot a few cars on timberline rd. |
| 23:38:24 | cedric | *yawn* |
| 23:38:40 | cedric | anyone seen kendrick lately? |
| 23:38:59 | tux_mike | whardier: you are a troublemaker, arent you? :) |
| 23:40:38 | tux_mike | going back on your one man march against qwest? :) |
| 23:40:46 | ljp_hatesQWest | yes, whardier is a trouble maker |
| 23:40:54 | cedric | qwest sucks! www.usworst.com |
| 23:41:07 | tux_mike | oh, all telcos suck arse |
| 23:41:08 | ljp_hatesQWest | yes.. they were supposed to have it hooked back up today... NOT |
| 23:41:33 | ljp_hatesQWest | what do they have to do.. type in a few numbers... |
| 23:41:39 | tux_mike | if it didn't knock out my DSL, Ameritech would have something else coming to them. |
| 23:41:54 | tux_mike | ljp_hatesQWest: possibly move a patch cable |
| 23:42:01 | ljp_hatesQWest | hehe I thought about hooking up a generator to the phone line |
| 23:42:26 | tux_mike | wouldn't get too far, they have them protected |
| 23:42:49 | tux_mike | you have to dig where you see "WARNING! BURIED FIBER OPTIC CABLE" |
| 23:42:59 | tux_mike | that will screw them up the arse |
| 23:43:13 | ljp_hatesQWest | phh I know.. |
| 23:43:43 | ljp_hatesQWest | heh they have big orange letters on the stre "QWest fiber" like theyre going to be digging it up soon |
| 23:43:45 | hunger | ljp_hatesQWest: Dig a trench around those little boxes the telco put up everywhere. |
| 23:43:59 | tux_mike | or break the locks on the patch boxes (can easily be done with a sledge) and rip out the wires :) |
| 23:44:27 | hunger | tux_mike: Better yet: swap *some* of them around:-) |
| 23:44:33 | ljp_hatesQWest | I'll just sneak downthere once they dig it up.. set up a fiber to my house |
| 23:44:34 | tux_mike | lol |
| 23:45:56 | ljp_hatesQWest | open up a wan |
| 23:46:03 | tux_mike | the one thing i love and hate at the same time about the suburbs is how easily shit like this could be done. (you couldn't do most of this in a big city and expect to get away, too many people around) |
| 23:46:13 | tux_mike | and i'm amazed it never happens |
| 23:47:55 | ljp_hatesQWest | I'd settle for fiber to my house |
| 23:48:07 | ljp_hatesQWest | then I'd have whardier come over and set it up |
| 23:48:28 | tux_mike | i don't think fiber is a good last mile alternative. |
| 23:48:56 | tux_mike | oh, fsck. i missed the last linux fest >< |
| 23:49:06 | ljp_hatesQWest | its about 10 feet from my house |
| 23:49:17 | whardier | I heard my name |
| 23:49:34 | tux_mike | no you didn't |
| 23:49:38 | whardier | err.. ok then |
| 23:49:42 | tux_mike | and these are not the droids you are looking for |
| 23:49:47 | whardier | wanders off |
| 23:49:51 | ljp_hatesQWest | once they dig up the fiber cable.. wanna come over and run some fiber to my house? |
| 23:50:05 | whardier | ljp_hatesQWest haha.. sure.. got a fiber splicer? |
| 23:50:09 | whardier | and uh.. fiber |
| 23:50:19 | ljp_hatesQWest | hmm nope... not yet |
| 23:50:21 | whardier | or better yet.. how about I clue you in to free connections with wireless :P |
| 23:50:32 | ljp_hatesQWest | heheh.. |
| 23:50:41 | ljp_hatesQWest | and 3 dishes right? |
| 23:50:44 | whardier | nope |
| 23:50:49 | whardier | not that one |
| 23:51:06 | whardier | I have a server at a high bandwidth area in denver that I am gonna use when I lose my wireless connection at my house |
| 23:51:14 | ljp_hatesQWest | fiber is 10 feet from my house.. they have the street all marked up |
| 23:51:23 | whardier | I am gonna use 3 seperate cards and bond them together going thru three different networks down into denver |
| 23:51:35 | whardier | then I am not being such a suck head.. |
| 23:51:46 | whardier | I am distributing against 3 pirate connections instead of stealing one |
| 23:51:49 | whardier | :P |
| 23:52:11 | whardier | ljp_hatesQWest haha. just call them and ask them for fiber |
| 23:52:11 | ljp_hatesQWest | ;) |
| 23:52:21 | whardier | tell them you will be good |
| 23:53:09 | whardier | or for 99 bucks we could buy you 3 usb wlan cards and get you pilfering off some backbones |
| 23:53:15 | whardier | err a peice |
| 23:53:16 | whardier | haha |
| 23:53:20 | whardier | piece !! |
| 23:53:22 | whardier | lalala |
| 23:53:24 | whardier | goes whackoi |
| 23:53:29 | whardier | turns on the A/C |
| 23:53:51 | ljp_hatesQWest | dude.. if I didnt have a kid I moght be tempted... |
| 23:53:55 | whardier | CloudChaser got to close to the sun I guess |
| 23:54:03 | whardier | ljp_hatesQWest would the kid rat on you? |
| 23:54:03 | whardier | haha |
| 23:54:08 | whardier | damn stupid children |
| 23:54:11 | whardier | not yours |
| 23:54:13 | whardier | just little rats |
| 23:54:43 | ljp_hatesQWest | hehhe.. no but if I got busted... ;( |
| 23:54:52 | whardier | http://segfault.bogomip.com/work/Madman/ |
| 23:54:55 | whardier | the start of my book |
| 23:55:09 | hunger | kergoth: Do you have gdb in OZ? |
| 23:55:40 | tux_mike | whardier: very verbose book :) |
| 23:56:46 | whardier | :P |
| 23:59:17 | whardier | haha http://segfault.bogomip.com/work/Madman/c10.html |
