| 00:01:46 | [DrEvil] | curses |
| 00:01:53 | [DrEvil] | not the language |
| 00:01:55 | ljp | ncurses |
| 00:02:04 | [DrEvil] | so |
| 00:02:07 | [DrEvil] | how do i do this |
| 00:03:14 | [DrEvil] | I can change the PATH |
| 00:03:15 | [DrEvil] | but |
| 00:03:16 | [DrEvil] | is that wise |
| 00:04:40 | ljp | try it |
| 00:05:27 | [DrEvil] | grrr |
| 00:05:34 | [DrEvil] | it is hard coded to /bin I think |
| 00:07:07 | [DrEvil] | there has got to be a way |
| 00:09:18 | MSpin | you can d/l the root filesystems, make your change and then reflash |
| 00:11:21 | [DrEvil] | where are the instruction on how to do that? |
| 00:11:56 | MSpin | well, Ithink you can d/l the rootfs from the sharo site |
| 00:12:10 | MSpin | look on the zz wiki |
| 00:13:16 | ljp | its easiest to mount the rom and use that |
| 00:13:36 | [DrEvil] | huh? |
| 00:14:13 | ljp | mount the sharp rom on your desktop, make your changes to it.. build it back into a rom.. flash that |
| 00:14:29 | [DrEvil] | how do you do that? |
| 00:14:36 | [DrEvil] | the bin image from sharp? |
| 00:14:42 | ljp | yep |
| 00:14:52 | [DrEvil] | sigh |
| 00:15:13 | [DrEvil] | ponders if this is worth the trouble |
| 00:15:53 | ljp | or try to find a way to make it work on the system ;) |
| 00:16:06 | [DrEvil] | it wont work short of rebuilding autofs |
| 00:16:20 | [DrEvil] | and since I don't know how to cross-compile... |
| 00:16:42 | [DrEvil] | it just isn't going to happen |
| 00:16:43 | [DrEvil] | oh |
| 00:16:51 | [DrEvil] | n/m |
| 00:17:18 | [DrEvil] | I though automount was in the ROM but it isn't |
| 00:17:55 | [DrEvil] | so back to the unable to cross-compile |
| 00:18:35 | ljp | why would you need to cross compile? |
| 00:18:58 | [DrEvil] | I would have to rebuild autofs for arm |
| 00:19:18 | [DrEvil] | which would be a pita on the Z |
| 00:19:26 | [DrEvil] | so I would have to do it on my desktop |
| 00:19:43 | HrAbbey | The arm deb doesn't work? |
| 00:19:53 | ljp | have you checked to see if familiar has it already? |
| 00:20:07 | [DrEvil] | it doesn't |
| 00:20:29 | [DrEvil] | the arm deb is compiled so that mount is /bin/mount |
| 00:20:42 | [DrEvil] | and mount on the Z doesn't support the --bind flag |
| 00:21:33 | [DrEvil] | so somehow I need to get a version of mount that does into /bin |
| 00:21:49 | | familiar is, like, a Linux distribution for handhelds, at http://familiar.handhelds.org or God in the palm of my hand |
| 00:21:49 | ljp | ibot: familiar |
| 00:21:58 | [DrEvil] | 's brain explodes |
| 00:22:01 | HrAbbey | Ahhh... hence the question about the path... |
| 00:22:31 | [DrEvil] | I looked in ipkgfind for autofs |
| 00:22:43 | [DrEvil] | it aint there |
| 00:22:43 | [DrEvil] | mount is |
| 00:24:08 | [DrEvil] | even if it were, I think automount would be compiled for /bin |
| 00:24:39 | [DrEvil] | so I am downloading the ROM image from Sharp |
| 00:24:48 | [DrEvil] | I guess I'll have to hack it in |
| 00:29:57 | ljp | to build the rom again, you'll need cramfs |
| 00:32:58 | [DrEvil] | got it |
| 00:33:24 | ljp | I wanna dl iso's in 13 seconds.... |
| 00:34:06 | [DrEvil] | you and me both |
| 00:34:21 | ljp | heh |
| 00:35:29 | [DrEvil] | I think I am going to head to the gym while my machine downloads the sharp rom |
| 00:36:00 | MSpin | certain advantages of going to UW |
| 00:36:17 | ljp | UW? why |
| 00:36:29 | [DrEvil] | shush you |
| 00:36:34 | MSpin | that 401mbps stream went through us:) |
| 00:36:43 | ljp | you have 13 sec iso dl's? |
| 00:36:48 | MSpin | UW holds the multi stream speed record |
| 00:36:53 | MSpin | well, no |
| 00:37:02 | HrAbbey | UW = Univ. of Wisc? |
| 00:37:04 | MSpin | but our redhat mirror kicks ass if you like RH |
| 00:37:08 | MSpin | UW = U of WA |
| 00:37:19 | ljp | hahhh |
| 00:37:24 | ljp | er ahh |
| 00:37:28 | ljp | no hahh |
| 00:38:25 | Guest | hi |
| 00:38:29 | [DrEvil] | 3.2/kbs |
| 00:38:30 | [DrEvil] | smoking |
| 00:38:35 | HrAbbey | Anybody know of / have an archive of tkc's mailing list? |
| 00:38:46 | ljp | thats like me until I get dsl hooked back up |
| 00:38:59 | [DrEvil] | heh |
| 00:38:59 | [DrEvil] | Homer joins the navy |
| 00:39:08 | Guest | hey |
| 00:39:30 | MSpin | muhahaha: http://www.pnw-gigapop.net/diagrams.html |
| 00:40:09 | ljp | hi guest |
| 00:40:19 | MSpin | this was impressive: http://www.washington.edu/hdtv/nab/press.html |
| 00:43:34 | ljp | could someone look in ~/Settings/qpe.config and tell me if there's a [Volume] section? |
| 00:44:43 | HrAbbey | On Sharp 1.12 there is. |
| 00:45:00 | HrAbbey | qpe.conf that is. |
| 00:45:01 | MSpin | yes on OZ |
| 00:45:17 | ljp | ok thanks |
| 00:51:11 | ljp_mobile | damn modem |
| 00:52:02 | Neo|Work | is away: I'm busy |
| 00:52:22 | Neo|Work | is away: I'm busy |
| 00:52:33 | [DrEvil] | damns your modem |
| 00:52:40 | Neo|Work | is away: I'm busy |
| 00:52:59 | HrAbbey | Ooooh, Midnight Commander.... nice. |
| 00:53:02 | Neo|Work | is back (gone 00:00:07) |
| 01:23:42 | roge99 | hey kergoth how goes it |
| 01:23:52 | kergoth`_ | not too bad |
| 01:24:03 | kergoth | some motherfucker sent my girl flowers |
| 01:24:13 | roge99 | ooohhhhh |
| 01:24:20 | ljp_mobile | hmmmm it wasnt me, I swear |
| 01:24:24 | kergoth | liar! |
| 01:24:27 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:24:29 | roge99 | someone needs a beatin |
| 01:24:37 | kergoth | yep |
| 01:24:40 | kergoth | cept she isnt here |
| 01:24:48 | kergoth | so i have no idea who sent em |
| 01:24:50 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:25:10 | kergoth | ah well, i'll code now, kill later. |
| 01:25:16 | kergoth | fuckers screwing with my schedule |
| 01:25:24 | roge99 | does she know who sent em |
| 01:25:32 | kergoth | I dunno, she wasnt here when i got home |
| 01:25:37 | kergoth | highly suspect. |
| 01:25:41 | roge99 | hmmmm |
| 01:25:42 | kergoth | flowers are here, with no card |
| 01:25:45 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:25:50 | kergoth | time to go HUNTIN |
| 01:25:59 | roge99 | what kind of flowers |
| 01:27:30 | roge99 | and are you sure she didn't buy em |
| 01:27:41 | roge99 | to spiff up the joint |
| 01:27:50 | kergoth | you know. i'm a moron |
| 01:27:52 | kergoth | read the card |
| 01:28:01 | roge99 | ahh |
| 01:28:02 | kergoth | they're for me, from her. what a trip |
| 01:28:07 | roge99 | lol |
| 01:28:12 | kergoth | chills |
| 01:28:31 | ljp_mobile | DOH |
| 01:28:37 | kergoth | heheh |
| 01:28:37 | roge99 | kergoth: looks like your the one who almost got the beaten |
| 01:28:41 | kergoth | hah |
| 01:28:52 | kergoth | not a beatin, but certain in some shit |
| 01:28:53 | kergoth | :-) |
| 01:28:59 | roge99 | yep |
| 01:29:02 | kergoth | ah well |
| 01:29:04 | kergoth | codes |
| 01:29:15 | roge99 | personaly i would rather get the beaten |
| 01:30:15 | kergoth | man, i dont need to know |
| 01:30:16 | kergoth | :-P |
| 01:30:53 | roge99 | that to deal with a pissed off wife/girlfriend |
| 01:31:15 | kergoth | ahhhh |
| 01:31:15 | kergoth | yea |
| 01:31:16 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:31:23 | kergoth | women are some devious creatures |
| 01:31:52 | roge99 | specialy if you accused her of cheatin ... when she bought YOU flowers |
| 01:31:55 | kergoth | lol |
| 01:32:21 | kergoth | well its odd. cause she's normally here when i get home.. but she's gone, and hasnt been answering her cell either |
| 01:32:25 | kergoth | i had cause damnit ;-) |
| 01:32:37 | kergoth | quiet chan tonight |
| 01:32:59 | roge99 | yea i just got on a few min before you |
| 01:33:20 | kergoth | mspin showed off a preliminary version of the qt ui for kismet |
| 01:33:22 | kergoth | quite nifty |
| 01:33:25 | kergoth | earlier today |
| 01:33:32 | roge99 | kewl |
| 01:33:32 | kergoth | hey treke |
| 01:33:44 | kergoth | yea |
| 01:33:47 | ljp_mobile | unless.. she got you flowers to cover up sometihng... |
| 01:33:54 | treke | yo |
| 01:34:05 | kergoth | ljp_mobile: man, i already thought of that.. maybe she received them from someone else and gave them to me as a cover... |
| 01:34:07 | kergoth | ljp_mobile: heheh |
| 01:35:26 | ljp_mobile | hmmmm.. women.. |
| 01:35:26 | roge99 | you guys are amatures... if that was the case ... she would address them to you and accuse YOU of cheating |
| 01:35:43 | kergoth | roge99: hah.. good point :-) |
| 01:36:11 | ljp_mobile | roge99 you married? |
| 01:36:18 | roge99 | 10 years |
| 01:36:48 | ljp_mobile | ya I could tell.. your a pro |
| 01:37:02 | kergoth | hehe |
| 01:37:25 | roge99 | well.... i wouldnt say a pro.. but ive had my share of experiance |
| 01:39:54 | kergoth | cranks some music |
| 01:45:15 | kergoth | man my playlist is messed |
| 01:45:25 | kergoth | keeps jumping accross genre's |
| 01:45:36 | kergoth | shit goes from Korn to Enigma |
| 01:45:40 | kergoth | sheesh |
| 01:46:04 | Neo|Work | is away: home |
| 01:46:37 | kergoth | oh my |
| 01:46:47 | kergoth | anyone want to create .cvsignore's for every dir in my kernel tree? |
| 01:46:49 | kergoth | shudders |
| 01:47:28 | roge99 | perl script |
| 01:47:50 | kergoth | yeah i just have to figure out what to put in the .cvsignores :) |
| 01:48:04 | ljp_mobile | I thought cvs was supposed to do that on cvs add |
| 01:48:42 | kergoth | even if it did.. the .cvsignores wouldnt contain anything that helps. hehe |
| 02:25:47 | nems | yawns.. |
| 02:25:53 | nems | Ok... seems I might get a wireless card soon... Can you buy them locally or do you usually have to order online? |
| 02:27:48 | nems | Anyone alive? |
| 02:34:51 | ljp_mobile | nope |
| 02:34:59 | nems | I noticed |
| 02:35:08 | nems | Do you know aobut my question, ljp? |
| 02:35:22 | nems | Can you pick up wireless cards at bestbuy or compusa etc? Or is it pretty much online order only? |
| 02:35:36 | [DrEvil] | returns |
| 02:35:41 | [DrEvil] | yes you can |
| 02:35:41 | nems | hey doc |
| 02:35:44 | nems | cool |
| 02:35:45 | [DrEvil] | or Circuit Shitty |
| 02:35:48 | nems | I may be getting one sometime soon. |
| 02:35:51 | nems | like as in tomrrow. |
| 02:35:52 | [DrEvil] | Best Buy has the D-Link one |
| 02:35:57 | nems | Do they sell ap's too? Or just the cards? |
| 02:35:59 | [DrEvil] | for $119 |
| 02:36:05 | [DrEvil] | both |
| 02:36:15 | nems | and do I need a specific card to take advantage of someone's service? Or any card works? |
| 02:36:17 | [DrEvil] | CC has the Linksys for $129 |
| 02:36:26 | [DrEvil] | any card should work with any AP |
| 02:36:37 | nems | Right... but you can pay someone for wireless service too, can't you? |
| 02:36:44 | [DrEvil] | um.... |
| 02:36:50 | [DrEvil] | well |
| 02:36:59 | [DrEvil] | not to your home |
| 02:37:10 | [DrEvil] | some places like Starbucks have WiFi going |
| 02:37:20 | [DrEvil] | I think they charge |
| 02:37:26 | nems | Hmm.. ok. So not like real wireless.. i.e. not like cellphone wap stuff? |
| 02:37:35 | [DrEvil] | nope |
| 02:37:49 | [DrEvil] | it is real wireless |
| 02:37:53 | nems | got it. |
| 02:37:55 | [DrEvil] | just a matter of range |
| 02:38:57 | [DrEvil] | ok |
| 02:39:10 | [DrEvil] | how do I mount the rom image so I can modify it? |
| 02:41:33 | nems | What kind of range does it have? |
| 02:42:44 | [DrEvil] | you can't really say with wireless devices |
| 02:42:56 | [DrEvil] | lots of factors play a part in that |
| 02:43:12 | nems | Say in a clear room, of unlimited size under perfect conditions? :) |
| 02:43:43 | nems | Just a general idea... If I have an AP in my living room, will my Z get a link if I'm in the front yard? |
| 02:43:48 | [DrEvil] | mspin can tell you more |
| 02:44:01 | nems | Ok.. I'll keep an eye out for him. |
| 02:44:15 | treke | nems : Probably |
| 02:47:33 | nems | All I really need now is a financial planning software. |
| 02:50:10 | nems | Is there an image viewer for the Z? |
| 02:50:22 | [DrEvil] | there is one built in |
| 02:50:41 | nems | What is it? |
| 02:50:44 | nems | Oh. |
| 02:50:45 | nems | duh. |
| 02:50:48 | nems | opie-mediaplayer? |
| 02:51:03 | [DrEvil] | oh |
| 02:51:04 | [DrEvil] | in opie |
| 02:51:06 | [DrEvil] | n/m |
| 02:51:09 | nems | heh |
| 02:51:47 | treke | opie-imgviewer. It sucks though |
| 02:51:55 | nems | hmm |
| 02:51:58 | treke | for financial stuff, there's stash and tkckapital |
| 02:52:13 | nems | Thats for financial management though.. not financial planning, right? |
| 02:52:21 | nems | I need something to plan my budget. |
| 02:52:30 | treke | whoop. sorry |
| 02:52:56 | kergoth | heh. I think planning a budget is overkill for a pda.. imo.. but creating a budget on the desktop and checking how you stand against it on the pda would be cool |
| 02:53:00 | nems | np ;) |
| 02:53:07 | nems | kergoth : Thats more or less what I need.. |
| 02:53:11 | nems | Quicken worked ok... |
| 02:53:14 | nems | on my palm |
| 02:53:25 | nems | cept the syncing sometimes worked and sometimes didnt, making it really hard to keep track of balances ;) |
| 02:54:40 | kergoth | wtf, my girl hasnt answered my calls all night. really getting on my nerves |
| 02:54:57 | nems | Heh.. sometimes I'm glad I'm married :) |
| 02:55:24 | ljp_mobile | criminy.. does trolltech even test their code? |
| 02:55:27 | kergoth | yeh i can see that |
| 02:55:29 | kergoth | ljp_mobile: lol.. |
| 02:55:42 | treke | bah. thats what users are for |
| 02:55:59 | roge99 | kergoth: she's out buying you more flowers |
| 02:56:08 | kergoth | bah |
| 02:56:12 | kergoth | bbiaf |
| 02:56:15 | roge99 | :-P |
| 02:56:31 | ljp_mobile | QPEApplication::documentDir() returns "root/.." instead of the usable "/root/.." |
| 02:56:37 | roge99 | kergoth`gone-looking |
| 02:57:07 | ljp_mobile | naaa.. the flowsers are a coverup |
| 02:57:26 | nems | lol.. poor kergoth |
| 02:57:37 | nems | Bleh. |
| 02:57:48 | nems | Is there a way to list directories in the Documents Tab? |
| 02:57:54 | nems | I need a real freakin' file manager. |
| 02:57:58 | ljp_mobile | somethings is always suspicious when women give men flowers |
| 02:58:00 | nems | one that launches stuff for me. |
| 02:58:02 | nems | lol |
| 02:58:16 | ljp_mobile | nems: try opies advancedfm |
| 02:58:57 | nems | I cant find an image viewer ;p |
| 02:58:59 | ljp_mobile | you can even type/run commands and get stdout back |
| 03:00:39 | nems | The one thing the opie package manager is missing is clicking on packages in documents |
| 03:01:30 | ljp_mobile | I usually install them from advancedfm |
| 03:01:58 | [DrEvil] | is there a difference in the rom size of the 5000 and the 5500? |
| 03:02:01 | ljp_mobile | and once in oipkg, hold the stylus down and select dest |
| 03:02:04 | nems | 32 megs |
| 03:02:20 | ljp_mobile | Dr: no itsa the same size.. |
| 03:02:25 | nems | Is it? |
| 03:02:28 | ljp_mobile | yes |
| 03:02:28 | [DrEvil] | losetup -o 1835008 /dev/loop0 <path-to-romimage> |
| 03:02:29 | nems | I thought one was 32 megs and one was 64? |
| 03:02:36 | [DrEvil] | so that should work for both images? |
| 03:02:38 | nems | oh rom size. |
| 03:02:38 | nems | duh. |
| 03:03:02 | ljp_mobile | here's what I do: |
| 03:03:03 | ljp_mobile | dd bs=131072 if=ROMINAGE count=113 skip=14 of=initrd.bin |
| 03:03:04 | ljp_mobile | losetup /dev/loop0 ./initrd.bin |
| 03:03:04 | ljp_mobile | mount -t cramfs /dev/loop0 mountpoint |
| 03:03:32 | nems | what directory do I put images in inside the documents directory to get hthem o work? |
| 03:03:58 | ljp_mobile | it should just scan everything |
| 03:04:18 | [DrEvil] | so I can just remove that number in the iosetup line? |
| 03:04:40 | nems | It doesnt, ljp. |
| 03:04:52 | ljp_mobile | you have to dd the initrd.bin from the rom image |
| 03:05:07 | [DrEvil] | I have an image file from sharp |
| 03:05:17 | [DrEvil] | I'm going to use that as a base |
| 03:05:24 | [DrEvil] | hrmmm |
| 03:05:29 | ljp_mobile | not sure if your line will do that or not.. |
| 03:05:40 | [DrEvil] | I have it mounted |
| 03:05:46 | ljp_mobile | I use that in a script to mount roms.. oh |
| 03:05:49 | ljp_mobile | cool |
| 03:05:56 | [DrEvil] | but I am not sure it is right |
| 03:06:39 | nems | Hmm. |
| 03:06:40 | nems | I cant view images. |
| 03:06:46 | [DrEvil] | http://www.btinternet.com/~p.flinders/sl-5000d/sl-rootfs-howto.html |
| 03:06:58 | ljp_mobile | look in /root for /home in the tar |
| 03:07:28 | nems | Hmm. I dont think I have an image viewer working on here. |
| 03:08:23 | ljp_mobile | nems: sharp rom? |
| 03:08:33 | nems | opie |
| 03:08:41 | nems | And apparently I need a java environment for javanoid :) |
| 03:08:51 | ljp_mobile | you'll have to install imageviewer from the feed |
| 03:09:17 | nems | I found it |
| 03:09:23 | nems | I wish search did a substring search... |
| 03:09:37 | nems | # ipkg list | grep image |
| 03:09:40 | nems | returns nothing |
| 03:09:54 | nems | Where as this returns image viewer: # ipkg list | grep img |
| 03:12:07 | ljp | damn modem |
| 03:12:18 | treke | modems suck |
| 03:12:34 | [DrEvil] | so say I buy some of the tkc apps... |
| 03:12:47 | [DrEvil] | is it possible to put them in my ROM? |
| 03:12:47 | nems | Hmm. |
| 03:13:20 | ljp | sure I did.. |
| 03:13:28 | ljp | I made a hybred sharp/opie rom |
| 03:13:31 | nems | Which java compiler do I need? |
| 03:13:40 | nems | I wish I could make a backup of my device and turn it into a rom ;p |
| 03:13:40 | [DrEvil] | did you remove the built in apps? |
| 03:14:06 | ljp | I removed java |
| 03:14:34 | ljp | but hancom is huge if you dont use them |
| 03:14:56 | nems | how big is java? |
| 03:15:00 | nems | I dont use the hancom stuff. |
| 03:15:05 | [DrEvil] | how big are the tck apps compared to the built in stuff |
| 03:15:24 | ljp | all the java stuff is little less than 2.5 mb I think |
| 03:16:12 | ljp | the biggest thing for tkc app is the shared ipk.. it has toms of icons you may or may not use |
| 03:16:23 | ljp | tons even |
| 03:16:58 | treke | you can shrink them down a bit more by replacing the splash screens for the aps |
| 03:16:58 | nems | what directory do schemes go in? |
| 03:17:11 | ljp | the drag thing is if you add apps, you have tomake symlinks in the home/ which you tar up |
| 03:17:55 | [DrEvil] | so I would manually unpack the ipk and copy what I wanted into the image? |
| 03:18:19 | ljp | yep.. and then make all the symlinks ... |
| 03:22:21 | Glophin | nems: how about mc, is it ported yet? |
| 03:24:06 | ljp | yes |
| 03:24:16 | Glophin | kewl |
| 03:24:21 | Glophin | loves mc |
| 03:24:50 | ljp | although the key combos dont work.. |
| 03:25:00 | Glophin | :\ |
| 03:25:10 | ljp | theres no way to hit Ctrl F5 |
| 03:25:46 | ljp | but if use export TERM=xterm, you can use the stylus to get to the menus and such |
| 03:25:48 | Glophin | is there anyway to use the f keys in the Z? |
| 03:26:01 | Glophin | oh, ok.. kewl |
| 03:27:01 | ljp | there's an ipk on ZZ.. but its bigger then it needs to be.. the binaries arent stripped, and theres alot of files not really needed |
| 03:27:03 | nems | mc? What is mc? |
| 03:27:12 | ljp | midnight commander |
| 03:27:16 | nems | Ah |
| 03:27:20 | nems | I was thinking minicom :) |
| 03:42:48 | [DrEvil] | ponders what to delete |
| 03:43:10 | Glophin | rm -rf /bin/laden |
| 03:43:24 | Glophin | ducks (bad joke, i knoW) |
| 03:44:01 | [DrEvil] | Voice Recorder is pretty useless |
| 03:44:32 | [DrEvil] | is the consensus that Konq is better than Opera? |
| 03:44:53 | Glophin | I've been wondering : are there any mic/headphone combos? |
| 03:45:00 | nems | Glophin : tons. |
| 03:45:04 | nems | I dont know if any work for hte Z |
| 03:45:13 | [DrEvil] | I don't plan on using it |
| 03:45:27 | [DrEvil] | although if someone came out with a wav editor or similar... |
| 03:45:36 | Glophin | i mean, like ones that have a single plug, and provide stereo/mono sound + mic input |
| 03:46:31 | nems | not sure. |
| 03:47:20 | Glophin | i've seen this guy that builds an external speaker, which also works as a mic, (but thats a rather standard side effect) |
| 03:47:55 | roge99 | theres an internal mic hack |
| 03:48:48 | [DrEvil] | where do they put those java demos? |
| 04:16:30 | kendrick2 | may faq is in need of SO much work :^{ |
| 04:40:35 | kend-away | is away: from keyboard |
| 04:44:14 | kend-away | is back (gone 00:03:38) |
| 05:00:29 | kend-afk | is away: out! |
| 05:47:29 | [DrEvil] | nems |
| 06:34:49 | W|GGL|T | is away: I'm busy smoking a blunt or sleeping or something |
| 06:51:59 | NeoTron | is back (gone 14:53:33) |
| 06:52:11 | Rince | oh nice, found a bug in tkcjabber |
| 06:52:13 | NeoTron | is away: I'm busy |
| 06:52:28 | NeoTron | is away: I'm busy |
| 06:52:46 | NeoTron | is back (gone 00:00:01) |
| 08:18:00 | NeoTron | discovery of the day: doom for ARM might not be as easy as it sounds |
| 08:19:26 | N0Remorse | is there anewz reader? |
| 08:26:21 | Rince | not yet... I hope there will be soon |
| 08:26:56 | N0Remorse | fu king hell |
| 08:37:12 | NeoTron | tell me how damn 'l33t this is: http://handhelds.org/scap/ |
| 10:05:41 | Piete | Hi, has anyone tried ZaAM? Is it good, or is it bad? (zaAm : http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=155 ) |
| 10:33:06 | somazero | Hello all, The example NAT setup doesn't seem to work for me...:(...Anyone else have an example? |
| 10:33:40 | Rince | for linux? |
| 10:33:43 | somazero | Yes |
| 10:33:45 | Rince | connecting via usb? |
| 10:33:47 | somazero | Yes |
| 10:33:56 | somazero | :) |
| 10:34:28 | Rince | #! /bin/bash |
| 10:34:28 | Rince | typeset -i num |
| 10:34:28 | Rince | num=`ifconfig | grep usb0 | wc -l` |
| 10:34:29 | Rince | if [ $num -eq 0 ] ; then |
| 10:34:31 | Rince | ifconfig usb0 192.168.129.200 netmask 255.255.255.255 up |
| 10:34:33 | Rince | route add -host 192.168.129.201 usb0 |
| 10:34:36 | Rince | fi |
| 10:34:38 | Rince | iptables -t nat -F |
| 10:34:41 | Rince | iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -j SNAT -o eth0 --to $YOUR_IP |
| 10:34:43 | Rince | echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 10:34:46 | Rince | that's it |
| 10:34:53 | somazero | Hmmm |
| 10:35:01 | somazero | For some reason, that's not working... |
| 10:35:07 | somazero | Do I need to load some modules? |
| 10:35:12 | somazero | for iptables? |
| 10:35:26 | Rince | if you have compiled iptables as module, yes |
| 10:38:30 | somazero | Hmm, after loading the modules, still no luck... |
| 10:38:39 | Rince | have you installed usbdnet |
| 10:38:39 | Rince | ? |
| 10:38:51 | Piete | man, I really have to learn iptables, I have the tutorial on my palm, but its been there for ages, and I haven't touched it yet.. |
| 10:39:02 | Rince | can you ping your computer from the Z? |
| 10:39:05 | somazero | Yeah, I can use the net between the z and my desktop, but not anything else |
| 10:39:07 | somazero | Yes |
| 10:39:13 | Rince | ok |
| 10:39:17 | somazero | The connection between my x and dt is fine |
| 10:39:25 | Rince | can you ping the external IP of your computer from the Z? |
| 10:39:32 | Piete | hehe, you Xaurus ? |
| 10:39:52 | somazero | external? |
| 10:40:01 | somazero | I'm behind a gw... |
| 10:40:14 | Rince | the "normal" IP |
| 10:40:20 | somazero | I have a dsl/route linux box setup...then behind that is my desktop... |
| 10:40:20 | Rince | the one for the ethernet |
| 10:40:28 | somazero | hooked to my desktop is the z |
| 10:41:12 | somazero | Yeah, I have my z setup as 192.168.0.101 and my desktop as 192.168.0.4 |
| 10:41:17 | somazero | They can see each other fine... |
| 10:41:24 | Piete | somazero so you have only NIC? |
| 10:41:25 | somazero | but it can't see anything else |
| 10:41:43 | Piete | erm,, change that |
| 10:41:49 | Rince | si you can ping from the Z the 192.168.0.4? |
| 10:41:54 | somazero | Yup...np |
| 10:41:55 | Piete | make that "So you have only *one* NIC" :) |
| 10:42:03 | somazero | I have been ftp'ing, ssh'ing a lot |
| 10:42:05 | Rince | can you ping from the Z the dsl/route linux box? |
| 10:42:17 | Rince | no, that's a difference |
| 10:42:36 | Rince | that;s bad |
| 10:42:44 | somazero | Nope... |
| 10:42:48 | somazero | I can't get the gw |
| 10:42:56 | somazero | from the z |
| 10:43:04 | Rince | what is the IP of the desktop in the network, not to the Z? |
| 10:43:15 | somazero | and now...I can't ping the gw from the desktop... |
| 10:43:21 | somazero | strange, since I am still on irc.... |
| 10:43:24 | somazero | :| |
| 10:43:36 | somazero | 192.168.0.4 = dt |
| 10:43:38 | Piete | somazero so its like, (Internet)-----(Linux Gateway)-----(Your Desktop)<---usb---Z. ?? |
| 10:43:43 | somazero | Yup |
| 10:43:48 | somazero | That's it |
| 10:44:04 | Rince | and 192.168.0.101 is the Z? |
| 10:44:07 | somazero | Yes |
| 10:44:07 | Rince | that's not working |
| 10:44:23 | Rince | because the desktop has to act as router for the Z and that's not happening if they are in the same network |
| 10:44:31 | somazero | Ahh...okay |
| 10:44:41 | Rince | so the usb-IP of the desktop should be 192.168.129.200 while the Zs IP there should be 192.168.129.201 |
| 10:44:55 | Rince | and _then_ NAT should work because then the desktop acts as router for the Z |
| 10:45:04 | somazero | I'll try a different ip for the z |
| 10:45:18 | Piete | Rince oh, thanks :), now I learned something too :) |
| 10:45:19 | somazero | Okay, I'll give that a try... |
| 10:46:45 | Piete | Does anyone know if the speaker built INTO the Z supports DTMF? |
| 10:47:04 | somazero | brb |
| 10:48:18 | Rince | don't know, sorry |
| 10:49:27 | Piete | I guess it wont, since its just a piezzo buzzer.. |
| 10:49:45 | Piete | it will work throught the headphones though.. |
| 10:51:12 | somazero | What should the MY_IP be? |
| 10:51:17 | somazero | 192.168.129.200? |
| 10:51:24 | somazero | or 192.168.0.4? |
| 10:51:49 | somazero | (in reference to the iptables nat setup example |
| 10:51:51 | somazero | ) |
| 10:53:02 | Piete | somazero that line I think has something to do with what to route, so It guess it is the eth0 ip |
| 10:53:15 | Piete | its just a guess though |
| 10:54:54 | somazero | Hmmm, I can't ping the z anymore...:( |
| 10:55:44 | Piete | whats the desktop ip, and whats the z's ip? |
| 10:56:10 | Rince | MY_IP is the desktops external IP |
| 10:56:12 | Rince | so 192.168.0.4 |
| 10:56:18 | somazero | Okay... |
| 10:56:34 | somazero | but I can't ping the z anymore...:( |
| 10:57:18 | Piete | rince knows a lot more about this than me, so I'll leave it to him to help |
| 10:57:24 | Piete | :) |
| 10:59:51 | somazero | Yeah, I can't ping from either side |
| 10:59:51 | somazero | I try to ping 192.168.129.200 from the z, no luck |
| 10:59:51 | Rince | can you ping the desktop from the Z? |
| 10:59:51 | Rince | hm. |
| 10:59:51 | somazero | can't do 192.168.0.4 either, says network is unreachable |
| 10:59:51 | Rince | is the usb0 open on ? |
| 10:59:51 | somazero | Yup |
| 10:59:51 | Rince | that's okay |
| 10:59:52 | somazero | I can see it send stuff through gkrellm, but no reply |
| 11:00:22 | somazero | But when I try to ping the z from the dt, I don't see it send anything |
| 11:00:22 | somazero | ? |
| 11:00:26 | somazero | routing problem? |
| 11:03:09 | somazero | Hmm, okay, I got the net between the z and dt going...stupid mistake... |
| 11:03:25 | somazero | However, It still seems that there is no routing |
| 11:13:23 | Rince | havee you once again activated the script? |
| 11:13:30 | Rince | can you ping the 192.168.0.4 from the Z? |
| 11:13:32 | somazero | Yeah... |
| 11:13:33 | somazero | Nope |
| 11:13:44 | somazero | Say network unreachable |
| 11:13:46 | Rince | are you sure you have compiled in iptables? |
| 11:13:49 | somazero | Yup |
| 11:13:50 | Rince | ah, just a minute... |
| 11:13:54 | somazero | mod's are loaded |
| 11:14:41 | Rince | give your Z the following lines: |
| 11:14:57 | Rince | route add -host 192.168.129.200 usbd0 |
| 11:15:00 | Rince | route delete -net 192.168.129.0/24 usbd0 |
| 11:15:03 | Rince | route add default gw 192.168.129.200 |
| 11:18:02 | Piete | Rince kewl, where did you learn all this stuff |
| 11:18:29 | Rince | Piete: first: I do networking since quite a while, second: there is a webpage "Ethernet over USB for Zaurus SL-5500" somewhere around :-) |
| 11:18:39 | Rince | it is also mentioned in the unofficial Zaurus-FAQ |
| 11:19:45 | Piete | Rince ok, thanks :) |
| 11:20:32 | somazero | Hmm..brb, that allowed me to ping the 192.168.0.4, but not .2 |
| 11:20:34 | somazero | brb |
| 11:22:19 | Rince | at least it's better :-) |
| 11:24:02 | Piete | and? |
| 11:24:22 | somazero | Still checking...:) |
| 11:24:33 | Piete | okie |
| 11:25:08 | somazero | Okay, I can ping 192.168.0.4, but I still can't get out... |
| 11:25:35 | Rince | and you are sure iptables works? |
| 11:25:36 | Piete | somazero you sure you dont have some firewall rules on your dt? |
| 11:25:57 | somazero | I am guessing now that it has to be iptables... |
| 11:26:06 | somazero | That's the only thing left, right? |
| 11:26:31 | somazero | Well, I just rebooted...so I *shouldn't have anything, I don't load any during init on my dt |
| 11:26:54 | somazero | Okay, the mods are loaded |
| 11:26:59 | somazero | (iptables) |
| 11:27:07 | Piete | somazero what distro do you have? |
| 11:27:08 | somazero | frog usb # lsmod |
| 11:27:08 | somazero | Module Size Used by Not tainted |
| 11:27:08 | somazero | acm 5216 0 (unused) |
| 11:27:08 | somazero | iptable_nat 13940 1 (autoclean) |
| 11:27:09 | somazero | ip_conntrack 14796 1 (autoclean) [iptable_nat] |
| 11:27:10 | somazero | ip_tables 11168 3 [iptable_nat] |
| 11:27:13 | somazero | usbdnet 13576 1 |
| 11:27:15 | somazero | frog usb # |
| 11:27:17 | somazero | Gentoo |
| 11:27:32 | Piete | ah yes, gentoo.. I still wanna try that. |
| 11:27:40 | Piete | I am using slackware 8 @ the moment |
| 11:27:51 | Rince | seems okay |
| 11:27:53 | somazero | It's a nice distro...very cutting edge..:) |
| 11:28:01 | Piete | heh, yea |
| 11:28:07 | Rince | have you typed in the iptables-rules again? |
| 11:29:31 | somazero | Okay, I typed in the iptable rules sets again... |
| 11:29:35 | somazero | This is wierd |
| 11:29:39 | somazero | now I can ping .2 |
| 11:29:44 | somazero | but still can't go out... |
| 11:29:50 | somazero | what should I be using as my gateway? |
| 11:29:53 | somazero | .200 right? |
| 11:29:56 | Rince | what do you mean with "out"? |
| 11:29:59 | somazero | inet |
| 11:30:02 | Rince | no, the gateway for the Z is the desktop! |
| 11:30:07 | somazero | .4? |
| 11:30:30 | Piete | .200 |
| 11:30:33 | Rince | no |
| 11:30:38 | Rince | .200 |
| 11:30:48 | somazero | Okay, that's what I have setup (.200) |
| 11:30:49 | Piete | the Usb IP for the desktop is the gw :) |
| 11:30:53 | Rince | 192.168.129.201 is the Z, 192.168.129.200 is the desktop |
| 11:30:55 | Piete | Rince hah, beat you |
| 11:30:55 | somazero | That's what it says in the docs.. |
| 11:30:57 | Piete | :p |
| 11:30:58 | Rince | and .200 is also the gateway |
| 11:31:03 | somazero | Yup... |
| 11:31:06 | somazero | That's what I have... |
| 11:31:18 | Rince | and the desktop has to have ip_forwarding enabled (last line of the script) |
| 11:31:28 | somazero | Yup |
| 11:31:30 | somazero | I did that |
| 11:31:47 | Rince | then ot should work |
| 11:31:51 | Rince | or you have other rules which prevent this |
| 11:32:03 | somazero | So, do I need to make a ruleset for my dsl/gw to allow it out? |
| 11:32:30 | Piete | somazero to the dsl/gw all the requests look like its coming from your dt |
| 11:32:46 | Piete | somazero so if your dt can get out, the Z should be able to get out too |
| 11:33:03 | somazero | Argh |
| 11:34:43 | Piete | in my mind your setup looks like this (Internet)---(DSL/GW x.x.x.2)------(DT eth0 x.x.x.4, usbd0 x.x.x.200)---usb---(Z x.x.x.201) |
| 11:34:45 | Piete | roght? |
| 11:34:50 | Piete | right? |
| 11:36:48 | somazero | Okay...Missed the final stip |
| 11:36:50 | somazero | *step |
| 11:36:55 | somazero | add my nameserver |
| 11:37:09 | somazero | I have the feeling that the gui net config is worthless... |
| 11:37:20 | somazero | I had my nameserver's in there...but no go |
| 11:37:26 | somazero | Oh well, It's working now... |
| 11:37:27 | somazero | :) |
| 11:37:31 | somazero | Thanks for the help... |
| 11:37:51 | Piete | somazero what was the nameserver? |
| 11:38:26 | somazero | edit /etc/resolv.conf |
| 11:38:30 | somazero | put in: |
| 11:38:30 | Piete | oh yea |
| 11:38:40 | somazero | nameserver xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx |
| 11:38:43 | Piete | reminds self to learn more about networking |
| 11:38:45 | somazero | standard |
| 11:38:56 | Piete | okie, thanks :) |
| 11:39:29 | Rince | ah :-) |
| 11:39:31 | Piete | canceled his ADSL todayto get his OLD Cable back, its much better |
| 11:39:42 | Rince | so it works now :-) |
| 11:39:43 | Rince | fine |
| 11:39:55 | Piete | somazero is that resolv.conf on the Z, or the DT? |
| 11:40:01 | somazero | on the Z |
| 11:40:09 | Piete | okie |
| 11:40:30 | Piete | is there a FAQ or something somewhere that has the steps on how to do this? |
| 11:40:49 | somazero | http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/linux_ethernet-over-usb-howto.shtml |
| 11:40:54 | | it has been said that faq is at http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/zaurus-faq/ or at http://www.handhelds.org/handhelds-faq/handhelds-faq.html or at http://adorphuye.com/zaurus/java/faq.jsp |
| 11:40:54 | Rince | ibot faq |
| 11:40:58 | Rince | there is :-) |
| 11:40:59 | Piete | Thank you? |
| 11:41:03 | Piete | ? > ! |
| 11:41:06 | Piete | :¤Ä |
| 11:41:11 | Rince | somazero: that's the one I used for the scripts ;-) |
| 11:41:31 | Piete | snaps his keyboard in half and throws it out the window |
| 11:42:10 | somazero | Yeah... |
| 11:42:12 | somazero | I know...:) |
| 11:42:26 | somazero | I knew I was just doing something dum along the way... |
| 11:42:34 | somazero | It just took me a while to figure out why... |
| 11:42:49 | somazero | The thing about loading the iptables rulesets twice was strange |
| 11:42:59 | Rince | same for me... I just had some experience with networking because I work (yet) for an ISP so I know the hassle :-) |
| 11:43:46 | somazero | :) |
| 11:43:51 | somazero | Thanks for the help though..:) |
| 11:45:25 | Piete | Rince is this the page where you learned how to do this "http://adorphuye.com/zaurus/java/faq.jsp"? its broken |
| 11:47:42 | Piete | n.m |
| 11:47:47 | Piete | :) |
| 11:50:52 | Piete | hmm, is the Z by default 192.168.129.201 ? |
| 11:53:10 | Rince | Piete: no, http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/linux_ethernet-over-usb-howto.shtml |
| 11:53:18 | Rince | yes, that's the default for the Z |
| 11:53:57 | somazero | Crap... |
| 11:54:05 | Piete | Rince yea, i've been reading that link, thats why I was asking, because they didnt show where to conf the Z :) |
| 11:54:08 | somazero | I tried to setup email w/ imap... |
| 11:54:14 | somazero | Didn't seem to like that...:) |
| 11:54:35 | somazero | email won't start now... |
| 11:55:15 | Piete | you mean the email app? |
| 11:55:48 | somazero | Yeah |
| 11:56:12 | Rince | is still looking for a newsclient for the Z |
| 11:56:14 | Piete | just ps -a, look for the pid of the email app, and do kill -9 pid |
| 11:56:16 | Rince | (email works for me) |
| 11:56:26 | Piete | I have gtg |
| 11:56:31 | Piete | c u guy l8r |
| 12:05:10 | somazero | Hmm..I am using imap for the email, and it gets all the directories, rather than just the email dirs... |
| 12:05:17 | somazero | How can I fix that? |
| 13:21:28 | CloudChaser | good morning ;) |
| 13:30:22 | BigBoss | howdy ho |
| 13:30:25 | CloudChaser | hiya |
| 13:31:27 | BigBoss | so how did Chandra die and who did it? |
| 13:31:50 | CloudChaser | miss scarlet in the library with a candlestick? |
| 13:32:10 | benmeyer | Morning |
| 13:32:16 | benmeyer | Contest e-mail go out yet? |
| 13:32:48 | BigBoss | I haven't gotten anything |
| 13:32:55 | BigBoss | was it supposed to go out? |
| 13:34:44 | benmeyer | I thought it was, but I am not on the list so I wouldn't know |
| 13:34:51 | benmeyer | know if it was out yet that is |
| 13:35:10 | BigBoss | well it is awefully early in california at the moment |
| 13:39:41 | Rince | rere |
| 13:39:51 | Rince | morning BigBoss :-) |
| 13:40:17 | BigBoss | Hey Rince |
| 13:40:28 | BigBoss | we should have an update to AddressBook by the end of today |
| 13:40:44 | Rince | cool! |
| 13:41:08 | BigBoss | most of the stuff people have been asking for |
| 13:44:52 | Rince | should ask for a Bugtrackingtool... :-) |
| 13:46:55 | BigBoss | we've talked about it a lot internally and then just end up too short handed to do anything about it |
| 13:47:03 | Rince | ok :-) |
| 13:58:40 | CloudChaser | hey does anyone have any idea how many Zaurus 5500/5000 have been sold? be interesting to see how well they are selling |
| 13:59:17 | Rince | is more looking for a newsreader on the Z so he can use it while being on the train |
| 13:59:38 | BigBoss | that is something we were talking about |
| 13:59:40 | JasonNJ | Rince: usenet? |
| 13:59:50 | JasonNJ | BigBoss: you could put usenet in aethera/e |
| 13:59:57 | Rince | yes, usenet |
| 14:00:24 | BigBoss | JasonNJ: that is something we've been looking in to |
| 14:00:33 | Rince | good :-) when will it come? :-) |
| 14:02:08 | BigBoss | sheesh - we don't come out with enough software fast enough for you? :) |
| 14:02:58 | Twiun | CloudChaser: They made five thousand 5000d units I think - all sold |
| 14:03:11 | nems | howdy |
| 14:03:34 | BigBoss | that's true as far as I know as well |
| 14:03:38 | BigBoss | I don't know about the 5500 |
| 14:03:51 | JasonNJ | we produced a LOT of 5500. |
| 14:04:16 | CloudChaser | i just want to see it be a sucess |
| 14:04:26 | CloudChaser | more sold = more apps :) |
| 14:04:47 | CloudChaser | well maybe i didn't say that quite right |
| 14:04:50 | nems | lol |
| 14:05:08 | CloudChaser | thinks |
| 14:05:36 | CloudChaser | Ok, lots of you are programmers and can make the Z do what you want |
| 14:05:54 | CloudChaser | lot of us are just folks who like the whole idea of the Z |
| 14:06:02 | CloudChaser | but can't quite do the tweaking |
| 14:06:10 | nems | And some of us are programmers who cant quite do the tweaking. ;) |
| 14:06:20 | CloudChaser | so we depend on the packages |
| 14:06:28 | CloudChaser | hehe aww come on don't tell me that |
| 14:08:37 | nems | Wha? Me? I'm a hardcore perl person.. unfortunately I know enough about C to destroy stuff. ;) I can do basic debugging on a C program, but thats really about it. |
| 14:08:47 | nems | And I can't get my freakin' gaim to work. Sigfh. |
| 14:08:50 | nems | kicks nems_ |
| 14:14:21 | benmeyer | Why would you want gaim on the z? |
| 14:14:30 | nems | I dont. I was just complaining in general. :) |
| 14:16:39 | benmeyer | What does Gaim have the Kinkatta doesn't that you want? |
| 14:17:25 | nems | 1: I dont know what kinkatta is, 2: ... well.. there's really just 1. |
| 14:17:48 | nems | I need an aol client at work since we can use it on poort 110 and we use it for interoffice communication. |
| 14:18:07 | nems | on my linux box... not my Z :) My complaint was completely Z unrelated.. |
| 14:18:23 | BigBoss | kinkatta is the aol client on KDE |
| 14:18:32 | nems | Ahh.. ok. |
| 14:18:49 | nems | I'm downloading it now. |
| 14:19:10 | nems | Gaim worked fine for me, but for some reason when I installed debian on my new box, windows users messaging me come up with blank messages every time.. linux users work fine.. its very odd. |
| 14:20:19 | nems | does kinkatta support tabbed windows? |
| 14:21:46 | bipolar | hello all |
| 14:21:56 | nems | howdy bipolar |
| 14:23:46 | nems | Unable to start dr. konqi |
| 14:23:48 | nems | Hmm. |
| 14:30:02 | nems | Kinkatta was nice for the 2 minutes I could get it running. ;) |
| 14:32:42 | nems | Ok.. I guess it mucked up a config file.. its running again. Does it support tabbed windows? |
| 14:38:06 | benmeyer | nope |
| 14:40:53 | nems | oh well. hey doc |
| 14:41:09 | [DrEvil] | hi |
| 15:10:45 | killefiz | cool - after three weeks my zaurus is back! |
| 15:10:57 | Rince | finally? |
| 15:11:01 | killefiz | so should I install the sharp rom update or oz? |
| 15:11:59 | ljp | hmmmm depends on if you lile opera and java |
| 15:12:06 | ljp | like even |
| 15:12:26 | killefiz | hmm ... if konqueror is working well that's ok |
| 15:12:27 | ljp | oz stil has a bug with time and suspend ;/ |
| 15:12:31 | killefiz | i don't need java |
| 15:12:57 | [DrEvil] | Does Opera on the Z support java? |
| 15:13:19 | ljp | dont think there is a java plugin for it yet |
| 15:13:27 | ljp | it does do pdf's |
| 15:13:35 | [DrEvil] | I'm trying to decide which to put in my rom |
| 15:14:17 | Fluxwerk | is away: on site, setting up ugly assed i-macs |
| 15:14:20 | ljp | konq is big |
| 15:21:50 | kergoth | morning all |
| 15:21:56 | Rince | morning |
| 15:22:00 | [DrEvil] | hallo |
| 15:22:47 | ljp | kergoth: where's that kernel source cvs address? |
| 15:22:50 | hunger | kergoth: Hi! |
| 15:23:22 | kergoth | ljp: currently its just 2.4.18-rmk6 + the collie sa1100 machine type. the framebuffer driver isnt in yet, I'm working on that atm. |
| 15:23:48 | ljp | did you put it in cvs? I thought |
| 15:23:54 | kergoth | ljp: yep its in cvs |
| 15:24:27 | ljp | time/resume still UTC's |
| 15:25:00 | kergoth | ? |
| 15:25:34 | ljp | reverts to UTC |
| 15:25:35 | kergoth | if so something is seriously broken, because datetime ensures that the info gets written to the rtc immediately |
| 15:25:41 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:25:57 | kergoth | ljp: is it the systemtime that gets reverted to utc, or the hardware time? |
| 15:25:59 | ljp | I swear it was working at one time in 9.3 |
| 15:26:04 | kergoth | hm |
| 15:26:15 | kergoth | atd is running right? |
| 15:26:18 | kergoth | maybe its something stupid |
| 15:26:54 | ljp | dont see any atd in sysinfo |
| 15:28:35 | [DrEvil] | yay |
| 15:28:35 | kergoth | thats the problem then |
| 15:28:44 | [DrEvil] | my Buffalo card finally shipped |
| 15:28:52 | kergoth | ljp: sounds like atd startup script isnt being linked in for some reason. do a /etc/init.d/atd start .. then its runninng fine |
| 15:28:53 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:29:11 | [DrEvil] | should be here today |
| 15:29:13 | [DrEvil] | w00t |
| 15:29:17 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: nice |
| 15:29:24 | [DrEvil] | time to return this Linksys |
| 15:29:25 | kergoth | hmm |
| 15:30:04 | kergoth | ljp: the tc35143 analog controller .. does it control the touchscreen on the Z? or the lcd? |
| 15:30:06 | [DrEvil] | Insight has 4 in stock if anyone is interested |
| 15:30:08 | kergoth | pulls out his diagram |
| 15:30:35 | ljp | hmmm |
| 15:31:16 | ljp | I thought that was for the touch screen... |
| 15:31:29 | kergoth | i just couldnt recall off the top of my head |
| 15:31:38 | kergoth | and I noticed that the framebuffer driver was including the header for it |
| 15:31:50 | kergoth | which i found odd, since it shouldnt mess with the touchscreen really, just enable the lcd controller |
| 15:32:05 | killefiz | hmm .. does the sharp rom-update work on the 5500G (German version)? |
| 15:33:45 | ljp | kergoth: I'd have to check though.. my memory is fuzzy |
| 15:34:02 | kergoth | ljp: mine too. i'm printing out the system block diagram. heh |
| 15:34:13 | ljp | killefiz: I think sharp Germany will have an update soon |
| 15:34:27 | kergoth | ljp: yep, that controls the TS |
| 15:34:36 | kergoth | ljp: the LCD is controlled via a GPIO |
| 15:34:53 | killefiz | ljp: i don't care about having an all english zaurus |
| 15:35:05 | killefiz | i do care about having a broken zaurus though |
| 15:35:08 | killefiz | (again ;) |
| 15:35:36 | ljp | I'll have to hit benmeyer up for docs that he asked for from Japan |
| 15:36:41 | benmeyer | jpj |
| 15:36:45 | benmeyer | still don't have th3em |
| 15:36:46 | ljp | hehehe |
| 15:36:47 | benmeyer | ;-( |
| 15:36:52 | ljp | hmmm.. |
| 15:36:57 | benmeyer | What is up on the web is what I got |
| 15:37:08 | ljp | ok |
| 15:37:20 | kergoth | what docs? |
| 15:37:23 | benmeyer | I got a manual that is entirly in jap though... Course it is for the old zaurus so it doesn't matter though |
| 15:37:23 | benmeyer | haha |
| 15:39:08 | ljp | did they completely redo all the hardware? |
| 15:41:32 | kergoth | man this sa1110 doc from intel is pretty verbose |
| 15:41:41 | warmi | hi |
| 15:42:02 | kergoth | hey warmi |
| 15:42:07 | Twiun | Hey warmi |
| 15:42:37 | | mark was last seen on #zaurus 18 hours, 8 minutes and 6 seconds ago, saying: warmi: settings dialog needed a redesign to fit on a 240x300 screen :) [Wed May 22 22:34:31 2002] |
| 15:42:37 | warmi | ibot: seen mark |
| 15:42:43 | ljp | kergoth: is that for the processor? |
| 15:43:02 | kergoth | ljp: yes. discusses the use of the GPIO pins and everything.. |
| 15:43:15 | kergoth | ljp: its worthwhile even just to gain a better understanding of how things fit together. |
| 15:43:17 | kergoth | hey mspin |
| 15:43:27 | MSpin | heya kergoth |
| 15:43:49 | ljp | benmeyer: where's your Z web address again? |
| 15:43:56 | kergoth | anyone mind if i steal the touchscreen filtering code from the ipaq touchscreen driver? |
| 15:44:08 | benmeyer | my web address? |
| 15:44:18 | ljp | umm the howto's |
| 15:44:23 | benmeyer | http://www.csh.rit.edu/~benjamin/? |
| 15:44:25 | benmeyer | oh |
| 15:44:33 | benmeyer | http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/ |
| 15:44:37 | | it has been said that howtos is at http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/ |
| 15:44:37 | benmeyer | ibot howtos |
| 15:44:44 | ljp | heheh |
| 15:44:59 | NeoTron | http://handhelds.org/scap/ |
| 15:45:05 | [DrEvil] | where is the Zaurus splash screen in the ROM? |
| 15:45:15 | warmi | benmayer: are you avid KDE user ? |
| 15:45:45 | benmeyer | user and core developer |
| 15:45:56 | kergoth | hm |
| 15:46:02 | benmeyer | I have written a number of kde apps |
| 15:46:17 | kergoth | what does the Z use the ucb1200 chip for? anyone know off the top of their head/ |
| 15:46:21 | warmi | so I take you don't think much of GTK and Gnome ? |
| 15:46:25 | benmeyer | Where do I get doom? |
| 15:46:34 | warmi | not to start any wayrs .. just courious |
| 15:46:43 | NeoTron | benmeyer: working on it |
| 15:46:48 | benmeyer | 1.0 nope. I looked at it from a programing and ui aspect though |
| 15:46:54 | benmeyer | NeoTron: that is you? |
| 15:46:58 | JasonNJ | oh man doom looks killer |
| 15:47:04 | NeoTron | some things I need to do before it's usaqble |
| 15:47:10 | NeoTron | control issues |
| 15:47:10 | JasonNJ | NeoTron: you did the port? |
| 15:47:14 | NeoTron | runs very well |
| 15:47:18 | JasonNJ | whats teh framerate like |
| 15:47:18 | benmeyer | 30fps? |
| 15:47:29 | NeoTron | I think so but it's hard to say. :P |
| 15:47:37 | warmi | it should be .. Doom is completely integer based |
| 15:47:40 | JasonNJ | but definitely playable? |
| 15:47:40 | kergoth | Has anyone collected the urls for the hardware level stuff used in the zaurus? e.g. chip specs on the tc35143 analog frontend for example |
| 15:47:41 | benmeyer | but playable |
| 15:48:04 | MSpin | JasonNJ: do you have kismet working? |
| 15:48:08 | | bzflag was last seen on #tuxscreen 10 hours, 55 minutes and 21 seconds ago, saying: yeah, but that bombs if the user has not built/deplyed tinyx. [Thu May 23 05:52:47 2002] |
| 15:48:08 | kergoth | ibot: seen bzflag? |
| 15:48:20 | benmeyer | are you currently using the keyboard? |
| 15:48:30 | ljp | kergoth: doing a goolge on UCB1200 brings up a few tuxscreen pages |
| 15:48:30 | JasonNJ | MSpin: only on a linksys. |
| 15:48:35 | kergoth | ibot: message for bzflag: hey tim, do you have the specs on the tc35143 analog frontend? |
| 15:48:49 | NeoTron | JasonNJ: without a doubt. looks like it's running about full speed |
| 15:49:01 | benmeyer | any pre ipk that we can look at? |
| 15:49:06 | MSpin | JasonNJ: cool, check out http://www.mspin.net/~jjhuff/kismet_qt |
| 15:49:16 | NeoTron | ipk, no |
| 15:49:20 | benmeyer | bin? |
| 15:49:25 | benmeyer | an pak/ |
| 15:49:25 | [DrEvil] | MSpin: have you tested your warez on a buffalo card yet? |
| 15:49:37 | JasonNJ | its functional? |
| 15:49:39 | benmeyer | does network work? |
| 15:49:39 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: buffalo is just prism 2.5 |
| 15:49:43 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: it'll work fine |
| 15:49:47 | MSpin | [DrEvil]: I duno, I only own the l9nksys |
| 15:50:01 | ljp | kergoth: UCB1200 |
| 15:50:01 | ljp | Advanced modem/audio analog |
| 15:50:01 | ljp | front-end |
| 15:50:03 | MSpin | JasonNJ: It has basic functionality |
| 15:50:10 | benmeyer | Where can I get the frontend? |
| 15:50:12 | kergoth | ljp: I know, i'm at the url to the specs on phillips site :-) |
| 15:50:12 | benmeyer | for kismit? |
| 15:50:15 | JasonNJ | that requires libpcap right |
| 15:50:18 | kergoth | benmeyer: mspin just posted the url |
| 15:50:25 | MSpin | http://www.mspin.net/~jjhuff/kismet_qt |
| 15:50:26 | kergoth | JasonNJ: it requires the kismet package as well, for kismet_server |
| 15:50:30 | warmi | I am wondering if Doom data (images etc) is free or does one still have to own original to play it on the Zaurus |
| 15:50:43 | kergoth | there's always the demo.. hehe |
| 15:50:44 | benmeyer | it is gpl |
| 15:50:47 | JasonNJ | yeah the doom wads |
| 15:50:53 | [DrEvil] | I think the engine is free |
| 15:50:53 | warmi | the whole thing ? |
| 15:50:59 | JasonNJ | the original doom wad is gpl? |
| 15:51:00 | [DrEvil] | I don't think the wads are |
| 15:51:01 | warmi | I thought only engine was free |
| 15:51:10 | MSpin | you need to kill dhcpcd, and run wireless_monitor and kismet_server prior to running mine |
| 15:51:16 | [DrEvil] | luckily I still have copies of the original Doom and Doom 2 |
| 15:51:25 | kergoth | oh yeah, i need to fix up wireless_monitor to save us a hassle |
| 15:51:26 | JasonNJ | yeah I guess we have to find some free wads to give yout |
| 15:51:28 | kergoth | forgot about that |
| 15:51:37 | kergoth | JasonNJ: the original demo wads should be fine |
| 15:51:38 | benmeyer | just give out the demo |
| 15:51:41 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:51:46 | warmi | another thing .. are WADs endian neutral ? |
| 15:52:13 | JasonNJ | been a few years since I played doom |
| 15:52:21 | NeoTron | http://david.hedbor.org/tmp/prboom-test.tar.bz2 <-- controls aren't perfect but you can run around. keypad center is "select" in menues, cancel is of course escape. you can configure controls and make "ok" fire or whatever |
| 15:52:22 | warmi | hehe |
| 15:52:24 | JasonNJ | was a great game |
| 15:52:25 | kergoth | ljp: so I know what the ucb1200 IS.. but I want to know what they're using it for |
| 15:52:31 | NeoTron | hold on a sec |
| 15:52:36 | NeoTron | btw - uploading right now |
| 15:52:40 | kergoth | i miss doom |
| 15:52:44 | kergoth | man doom 3 looks killer |
| 15:52:54 | warmi | well kergoth .. you won |
| 15:52:59 | MSpin | kergoth: isn't that used for the audio and ...? |
| 15:53:03 | warmi | won't have to wait long |
| 15:53:15 | kergoth | MSpin: if i knew i wouldnt be asking |
| 15:53:16 | kergoth | MSpin: hehe |
| 15:53:18 | NeoTron | warmi: the demo is free, but commercial wads are not afaik |
| 15:53:19 | ljp | kergoth: looks like atd isn't getting started on reboot |
| 15:53:24 | warmi | but I am not sure new Doom will be just as good |
| 15:53:27 | kergoth | MSpin: BUT, the header is included in the framebuffer driver for some reason |
| 15:53:33 | NeoTron | ok, upload done |
| 15:53:36 | kergoth | ljp: i know. its not being linked in for some reason. i'll research |
| 15:53:47 | NeoTron | just download, unpack to somewhere and run ./prboom in that directory |
| 15:53:49 | kergoth | ljp: do me a favor. try /usr/lib/ipkg/info/atd.postinst configure; |
| 15:53:51 | NeoTron | it includes the doom 1 demo wad |
| 15:53:52 | JasonNJ | original wolfenstein would be cool too |
| 15:54:04 | [DrEvil] | that game made me ill |
| 15:54:19 | warmi | NeoTron: does it have sound ? |
| 15:54:21 | kergoth | I remember a lot of people getting motion sickness the first time they played a fps |
| 15:54:30 | NeoTron | JasonNJ: sure taking some time for TT to announce the winners "today or yesterday". :P |
| 15:54:35 | NeoTron | warmi: of course. :) |
| 15:54:36 | JasonNJ | yeah |
| 15:54:42 | MSpin | kergoth: the TS input, audio in/out, some digital IO, and some analog IO |
| 15:54:59 | JasonNJ | well apparently some things were too close, they asked us for additional input |
| 15:55:12 | JasonNJ | I think they were waiting on one more person |
| 15:55:32 | JasonNJ | I know most of the outcome though. |
| 15:55:40 | ljp | kergoth: 1: Syntax error: "fi" unexpected. |
| 15:55:47 | NeoTron | well, of course you do. :P |
| 15:55:55 | CloudChaser | OK guys.. i have a question if anyone's up for it...about vnc server |
| 15:56:02 | kergoth | MSpin: yeah i shouldve read further |
| 15:56:16 | kergoth | MSpin: "The incorporated analog to digital converter and the touch screen interface provides complete control and read-out of an 4 wire resistive touch screen. The 10 general purpose I/O pins provide programmable inputs and/or outputs to the system." |
| 15:56:22 | MSpin | kergoth: I just looked at the block diagram for another SA board I have here |
| 15:56:23 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:56:26 | kergoth | ah |
| 15:56:37 | BigBoss | jason: do you have Scott Granai's phone number handy? |
| 15:56:41 | warmi_ | CloudChaser: what about vnc ? |
| 15:56:56 | CloudChaser | ok installed server on z |
| 15:57:02 | CloudChaser | and can see it on pc |
| 15:57:09 | warmi_ | and can't move the cursor ? |
| 15:57:11 | CloudChaser | can't control it.. read about screen calibration |
| 15:57:18 | CloudChaser | i can move cursor |
| 15:57:19 | warmi_ | reboot |
| 15:57:25 | CloudChaser | its a little tiny square |
| 15:57:32 | CloudChaser | oki |
| 15:57:38 | kergoth | well i suppose i'd better print out the specs on the ucb1200 in case we decide to take on the sound driver rewrite, eh |
| 15:57:39 | warmi_ | that's what I was told |
| 15:57:43 | warmi_ | and it worked for me |
| 15:57:57 | CloudChaser | do the battery switch thing? |
| 15:58:08 | kergoth | CloudChaser: Settings -> Shutdown -> Reboot |
| 15:58:12 | warmi_ | yeah, just restart the OS |
| 15:58:21 | warmi_ | either way |
| 15:58:25 | JasonNJ | BigBoss: yeah, I have his cell. |
| 15:58:32 | kergoth | CloudChaser: soft reset is like pushing the reset on the front of your case. a bit harsh. |
| 15:58:33 | CloudChaser | reboot the z or pc or both? |
| 15:58:41 | warmi_ | if you do shutdown you won't have to wait thru fsck etc .. |
| 15:58:42 | CloudChaser | yeah i thought so.. |
| 15:59:35 | warmi_ | damn |
| 15:59:35 | benmeyer | Where can I get libsdl_net? |
| 15:59:38 | benmeyer | for the zaurus? |
| 16:00:04 | CloudChaser | sometimes in the threads.. they start way back..hard to tell what the latest instructions are |
| 16:00:47 | benmeyer | NeoTron I get an error loading shared lib libSDL_net-1.2 no such file |
| 16:00:53 | treke_ | benmeyer : maybe you can use the one from debian. Unless it's part of NeoTron's sdl build |
| 16:00:54 | benmeyer | when trying to run prdoom |
| 16:01:00 | NeoTron | benmeyer: oops |
| 16:01:06 | NeoTron | I forgot about that |
| 16:01:12 | CloudChaser | thank you! :) that's great |
| 16:01:15 | NeoTron | hold on a sec |
| 16:01:31 | NeoTron | it does need SDL as you've noticed. I'll put SDL_net somewhere too |
| 16:02:00 | benmeyer | yah installed the libsdl |
| 16:03:28 | NeoTron | http://david.hedbor.org/tmp/libSDL_net.tar.gz |
| 16:03:30 | NeoTron | unpack in / |
| 16:04:35 | kergoth | hey max |
| 16:04:39 | warmi | morning msmax |
| 16:04:55 | treke_ | benmeyer : It still might not work. There was a page on a familiar port, and it mentioned it having some portability problems on the arm |
| 16:04:56 | msmax | Hi |
| 16:05:12 | msmax | warmi: only it evening for me ;) |
| 16:05:38 | NeoTron | treke_: SDL_net? I don't know if it _works_ just know it's used when compiling. I haven't tried multiplayer or anything |
| 16:05:53 | warmi | msmax: yeah, I forgot about that |
| 16:05:55 | warmi | heh |
| 16:06:09 | NeoTron | on IRC, it's ALWAYS morning! :) |
| 16:06:13 | treke_ | NeoTron: prdoom |
| 16:06:26 | NeoTron | treke_: well, it works, trust me. :P |
| 16:06:32 | NeoTron | lsdldoom didn't work |
| 16:06:34 | treke_ | good nuff for me :) |
| 16:06:37 | NeoTron | prboom has ARM fixes |
| 16:06:46 | treke_ | probably from the same page :) |
| 16:06:50 | NeoTron | and DOES work as expected, at least the little I've played |
| 16:07:00 | CloudChaser | ok nother dopey vnc question...how do you start apps from client? clicking on them doesn't work |
| 16:07:16 | NeoTron | I just need to fix some stuff in the SDL input and stuff |
| 16:07:29 | NeoTron | also need to make the palette lighter |
| 16:07:31 | warmi | it does for me .. you just have to be persistent with your clicking :-) |
| 16:07:32 | treke_ | hows perfomance? |
| 16:07:35 | NeoTron | good |
| 16:07:39 | treke_ | cool |
| 16:07:47 | CloudChaser | well some seeem to work but some don't seem to want to open |
| 16:07:54 | NeoTron | it'd say "as fast as it should be" and this is despite SDL converting from 8 to 16 bpp each frame |
| 16:08:06 | warmi | yeah, I have noticed that vnc is not exactly as stable as it is on the dekstop |
| 16:08:26 | CloudChaser | hehe i just need to get some z screenshots |
| 16:08:31 | Twiun | warmi: when does vnc become unstable? |
| 16:08:39 | NeoTron | benmeyer: got it to run? |
| 16:08:48 | CloudChaser | couldn't find a screenshot program |
| 16:08:59 | warmi | NeoTron: come on ... Doom run at 30 fps on 486 66 Mghz .. it would be a shame if it run slowly on 200 box |
| 16:09:06 | treke_ | CloudChaser : Opie has one in the feed |
| 16:09:21 | ljp | there's a commandline on on your Z |
| 16:09:24 | NeoTron | warmi: well, true, but the ARM has a couple of drawbacks. First of all it's 200 MHz _RISC_ |
| 16:09:39 | NeoTron | also it's 16 bpp only display so it needs 8->16 conversion each frame |
| 16:09:39 | warmi | Twiun: vnx on the Zaurus is not perfect ... I have often problems with starting some programs , input is eratic etc .. |
| 16:09:48 | warmi | NeoTron: RISC is not a drawback |
| 16:10:00 | benmeyer | NeoTron: Couldn't set 320x200 video mode no video mode large enojght for 320 x200 |
| 16:10:06 | NeoTron | warmi: yes it is. In terms of MHz RISC is less than equivalent CISC |
| 16:10:07 | CloudChaser | haven't tried any opie stuff yet... |
| 16:10:14 | NeoTron | benmeyer: woops. Yes. ./prdoom -height 240 |
| 16:10:19 | warmi | in fact, for the most part, RISC CPUs are generally faster than equivalent CISC |
| 16:10:21 | NeoTron | don't ask me why - probably a bug in my SDL code |
| 16:11:00 | warmi | NeoTron: RISC are faster than CISC .. even for integer stuff |
| 16:11:29 | NeoTron | in either case, don't plan to discuss this - doom is plenty fast |
| 16:11:40 | NeoTron | and now I'm taking a shower. :P |
| 16:11:58 | NeoTron | benmeyer: let me know how/if it works. Not that I still have stuff to do to make it usable. |
| 16:15:51 | CloudChaser | hey can you use your pc keyboard to type stuff on the z? |
| 16:15:57 | CloudChaser | with vnc? |
| 16:16:19 | warmi | yeah |
| 16:16:24 | warmi | I had no problem doing that |
| 16:16:53 | warmi | the only problem I had was , just like you mentioned, clicking and generally mouse input does not work reliably |
| 16:17:24 | benmeyer | NeoTron: whoooho it works |
| 16:17:29 | benmeyer | keys don't seem to work |
| 16:18:33 | kergoth | hmm |
| 16:18:56 | | scanline was last seen on #tuxscreen 1 days, 23 hours, 27 minutes and 55 seconds ago, saying: is back (gone 09:22:48) [Tue May 21 17:51:01 2002] |
| 16:18:56 | kergoth | ibot: seen scanline? |
| 16:19:02 | benmeyer | sound works |
| 16:19:08 | CloudChaser | hmm my calibration must be off |
| 16:19:18 | CloudChaser | can't do anythingon left side of screen |
| 16:19:20 | benmeyer | Had to restart to start it |
| 16:19:32 | benmeyer | to exit it I mean |
| 16:19:37 | kergoth | hm |
| 16:19:51 | kergoth | wades into the hh.org kernel source patches |
| 16:19:58 | warmi | CloudChaser: you mean calibration of the Zaurus itself ? or is there aditional calibration step to be performed especially for vnc ? |
| 16:20:08 | CloudChaser | well i read youhad to recalibrate |
| 16:20:18 | CloudChaser | but i'm not sure quite how they meant |
| 16:20:46 | kergoth | CloudChaser: you calibrate the daemon, not qtopia |
| 16:20:58 | warmi | kergoth: how do you do it ? |
| 16:21:15 | kergoth | warmi: no idea, i've never actually used the vnc server. heheh. |
| 16:21:39 | warmi | I haven't seen anything in there related to calibration |
| 16:22:48 | warmi | CloudChaser: I don't have my Z with me now ... try to calibrate it and let me know if it fixed the problem |
| 16:23:05 | CloudChaser | calibrate it how? like i did when i first got it? |
| 16:23:14 | warmi | yeah |
| 16:23:19 | warmi | just run calibration applet |
| 16:23:23 | CloudChaser | do i do it from the z or from the pc viewer |
| 16:23:24 | CloudChaser | oki |
| 16:23:35 | warmi | I would thing pc viewer |
| 16:23:54 | warmi | think |
| 16:24:21 | benmeyer | wait the keys now work |
| 16:24:43 | CloudChaser | ok that did the trick it seems ;) |
| 16:24:46 | CloudChaser | thanks warmi ;) |
| 16:25:09 | warmi | good to know .. I will do the same with mine |
| 16:25:12 | CloudChaser | the forum said when you start it to click in upper left and lower right of screen to calibrate |
| 16:25:21 | CloudChaser | which i did on pc screen |
| 16:25:28 | CloudChaser | but that didn't seem to do the trick |
| 16:26:05 | kergoth | CloudChaser: yes thats calibrating the daemon |
| 16:26:06 | warmi | wait .. I am confused now .. so did it work or not .. or are just refering to your earlier attempts ? |
| 16:26:11 | kergoth | CloudChaser: do that on the Z itself |
| 16:26:27 | CloudChaser | oh i did it on pc screen |
| 16:26:40 | CloudChaser | it seemed to work. i can access the left side now :) |
| 16:26:44 | kergoth | hehe |
| 16:26:58 | CloudChaser | and i opened hancom word and typed in the screen. |
| 16:27:08 | warmi | CloudChaser: you own 5500 ? |
| 16:27:09 | CloudChaser | that's very cool for getting info right onto z in a hurry |
| 16:27:11 | CloudChaser | yes |
| 16:27:20 | warmi | lucky dude |
| 16:27:33 | CloudChaser | not a dude.. dudette :) |
| 16:27:49 | warmi | I am starting to feel the limitations of having only 32 MBs on my 5000d |
| 16:27:58 | warmi | dudette heeh |
| 16:28:01 | CloudChaser | lol |
| 16:28:08 | CloudChaser | s'ok used to it |
| 16:28:14 | CloudChaser | not as many women geeks as me |
| 16:28:16 | CloudChaser | men |
| 16:28:33 | warmi | yeah, that's the problem with English language .. it won't let you know sex of the other person just by looking at what they are typing |
| 16:28:51 | warmi | or maybe that's a virtue |
| 16:28:53 | warmi | who knows |
| 16:28:58 | JasonNJ | CloudChaser: you live in the ny metro area? |
| 16:29:05 | CloudChaser | close |
| 16:29:06 | CloudChaser | CT |
| 16:29:12 | CloudChaser | work in the city sometimes |
| 16:29:34 | JasonNJ | didnt know optonline was in CT |
| 16:29:38 | CloudChaser | yep |
| 16:29:45 | CloudChaser | just across long island sound |
| 16:29:49 | JasonNJ | yep |
| 16:29:57 | JasonNJ | they are big on LI, and NJ |
| 16:30:00 | CloudChaser | new haven/bridgeport area |
| 16:30:07 | kergoth | gahh handhelds.org cvs is slowwwww |
| 16:30:09 | CloudChaser | (i'm in between) |
| 16:30:26 | warmi | kergoth: today everything seems to be slow |
| 16:30:31 | kergoth | good point |
| 16:30:38 | CloudChaser | now i just need a serial cable that allows access to keyboard and I'm a happy camper |
| 16:30:55 | warmi | but I think this is just my provider Telocity |
| 16:31:06 | warmi | serial to access keyboard ? |
| 16:31:11 | CloudChaser | no |
| 16:31:23 | CloudChaser | i need to access z's keyboard when i have serial cable attached |
| 16:31:39 | warmi | oh right ... I forgot |
| 16:31:44 | CloudChaser | to console into switches and routers :) |
| 16:31:57 | warmi | oh that's why ... |
| 16:31:58 | CloudChaser | i used to use hp 660lx .. worked great |
| 16:32:06 | benmeyer | how do I start a networked game of doom? |
| 16:32:07 | CloudChaser | but it died.. so i bought the z |
| 16:32:17 | warmi | I was wondering why would you want to use serial cable when you can get lan nic for about the same price |
| 16:32:19 | CloudChaser | z does much more of course |
| 16:32:26 | CloudChaser | i have wireless card, |
| 16:32:31 | kergoth | yeh I need serial for consoling as well |
| 16:32:34 | kergoth | and for kernel debugging |
| 16:32:35 | CloudChaser | wired is next |
| 16:32:42 | CloudChaser | sd card |
| 16:32:45 | JasonNJ | doom on the Z is SICK |
| 16:32:47 | warmi | forget it then . .. you are much more ahead than I am .. I have only lan nic |
| 16:32:49 | warmi | heh |
| 16:32:49 | CloudChaser | and on and on and on |
| 16:32:57 | JasonNJ | thats gonna really cool once we tweak it right for the machine |
| 16:32:57 | CloudChaser | well i have wireless at home |
| 16:33:02 | kergoth | I really need an sd card at some point here |
| 16:33:16 | CloudChaser | but need the wired for where there's no wireless |
| 16:33:27 | CloudChaser | tweak waht Jason? |
| 16:34:17 | kergoth | CloudChaser: doom. they're playing doom :-) |
| 16:34:20 | CloudChaser | ah |
| 16:34:29 | CloudChaser | i wanted to play game boy games |
| 16:34:36 | CloudChaser | for the train ride to NYC |
| 16:34:39 | Twiun | can't wait to try it - yet another way of frying the batteries ;-) |
| 16:34:41 | CloudChaser | but couldn't figre that out |
| 16:34:54 | CloudChaser | oh i also want that solar battery charger! |
| 16:34:59 | CloudChaser | that looked great ;) |
| 16:35:04 | warmi | man .. solar baterry charger |
| 16:35:09 | kergoth | hehe |
| 16:35:10 | kergoth | thatd rock |
| 16:35:13 | CloudChaser | did you see that link? |
| 16:35:18 | CloudChaser | its about 50.00 |
| 16:35:23 | kergoth | yeah, bigboss posted it the other day |
| 16:35:41 | CloudChaser | hehe i need another 600 just for accessories |
| 16:35:56 | warmi | well, but then you need a lot of sun for that which means you would have to .. get out outside ... huh |
| 16:36:11 | CloudChaser | haha well i bet it would work on the car dashboard |
| 16:36:13 | CloudChaser | maybe/ |
| 16:36:28 | Twiun | Hehe, I'd just stick it to the office window ;-) |
| 16:36:31 | CloudChaser | yeah |
| 16:36:35 | Twiun | Loads of sunshine here |
| 16:36:37 | CloudChaser | that should work |
| 16:37:18 | CloudChaser | wonder if you would discharge it faster than it can charge up.. it says you can operate the z while it charges |
| 16:37:33 | warmi | I doubt it |
| 16:37:39 | CloudChaser | hey jason, you in nyc? |
| 16:38:01 | CloudChaser | did you try out the wireless internet with verizon? |
| 16:38:06 | mark | warmi: heya |
| 16:38:11 | warmi | hi mark |
| 16:38:17 | warmi | so what do you think ? |
| 16:38:36 | mark | warmi: knights doesn't use a capabilities file anywhere I don't think |
| 16:38:50 | warmi | so how does it know which engine supports what ? |
| 16:38:58 | warmi | does it have some sort of hardcoded file ? |
| 16:39:09 | warmi | CloudChaser: do you code ? |
| 16:39:21 | mark | warmi: what is there which some engines support and others dont? |
| 16:39:24 | CloudChaser | no ;( i wish |
| 16:39:32 | NeoTron | benmeyer: as I said, input isn't "fixed" |
| 16:39:59 | warmi | mark: there are things like "undo" which some of them support |
| 16:40:11 | warmi | some of them need to be started with certain cmd parameters etc |
| 16:40:25 | warmi | for example .. I have 4 engines .. gnuchess, phalanx , crafty and faile .. |
| 16:40:39 | mark | warmi: it expects the user to give the necessary arguments |
| 16:40:45 | warmi | faile does not support undo and it doesn't understand "edit board" commands |
| 16:40:53 | warmi | that's the thing mark |
| 16:41:05 | mark | warmi: yeh. in the KDE version it does a scan for engines |
| 16:41:12 | warmi | I want people to install engines as a separated ipkgs without worrying about any parameters or anything like that |
| 16:41:25 | warmi | it should work like photoshop pluggins |
| 16:41:41 | CloudChaser | well going out for....fresh air..cya all later and thanks for all the help ;) |
| 16:41:50 | warmi | no problem Claud: have fun |
| 16:41:58 | warmi | I mean Cloud huh |
| 16:42:02 | CloudChaser | hehe thanks :) |
| 16:42:04 | warmi | hehe |
| 16:42:23 | mark | warmi: what are the differences between the engines? why would someone want more than 1? |
| 16:42:28 | numatrix | anyone know what's new about tab manager 1.2 from 1.1? |
| 16:42:34 | mark | benmeyer should |
| 16:42:37 | mark | he wrote it :) |
| 16:42:49 | numatrix | I would hope he does then. ;-) |
| 16:42:51 | warmi | mark: I was going to implement only phalanx but people were asking for others as well |
| 16:42:53 | numatrix | benmeyer: ? |
| 16:43:07 | warmi | each one of them have its own "personality" and plays very different |
| 16:43:19 | numatrix | mtw what engines are you guys talking about? |
| 16:43:26 | CloudChaser | hmm warmi..that calibration i did threw off calibration on the z |
| 16:43:37 | numatrix | s/^m/b/ |
| 16:43:44 | warmi | that's what I was afraid of Cloud |
| 16:43:58 | CloudChaser | so how to fix it on the pc side then? |
| 16:44:04 | mark | warmi: I was thinking about perhaps providing GNUChess ready set up, and if people want to install others, they can set the command line args... |
| 16:44:19 | warmi | obviously, we are missing something here cloud |
| 16:44:50 | CloudChaser | yeah.. |
| 16:45:03 | warmi | mark: well, but you don't have to worry about that ... I will create engine ipkgs and all you would need to do is scan directory for list of subdirectories and present user with drop down box for each available engine |
| 16:45:16 | CloudChaser | cause its definitely off on the pc viewer side |
| 16:45:24 | warmi | and then simply load selected one just like you would do with gnuchess |
| 16:45:42 | mark | warmi: okay, great |
| 16:45:57 | warmi | CloudChaser: the guy who wrote it used to come here but I haven't seen him for a while |
| 16:46:10 | warmi | and I haven't seen any docs for vnc on the Zaurus |
| 16:46:19 | | fastolfe was last seen on #zaurus 79 days, 12 hours, 5 minutes and 27 seconds ago, saying: [Tue Mar 5 04:40:52 2002] |
| 16:46:19 | kergoth | ibot: seen fastolfe? |
| 16:46:22 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:46:27 | warmi | mark: I will contact you soon with the specifics |
| 16:46:27 | nems | Jeez |
| 16:46:33 | warmi | there you go .. 79 days |
| 16:47:01 | mark | warmi: okay, cool, |
| 16:47:05 | warmi | mark: are you going to try to sell Knights ? |
| 16:47:14 | CloudChaser | warmi i found this from april 12: |
| 16:47:17 | mark | warmi: its not mine to sell |
| 16:47:22 | CloudChaser | csbrown, please make sure that you've rebooted your Zaurus and recalibrated by tapping on the upper left and lower right corners as soon as the unit is back up. After a mysterious glitch completely reset my unit to factory conditions yesterday (I suspect a static surge into the open I/O port when I slipped it into my pocket), I recovered everything I had installed previously, except VNC no longer worked (just as you've described). The |
| 16:47:30 | NeoTron | mark: is it GPL? |
| 16:47:33 | mark | yes |
| 16:47:37 | NeoTron | then why not sell it? |
| 16:47:44 | NeoTron | sell binaries just like warmi does |
| 16:47:52 | CloudChaser | i have to run, i'll play with it some more later |
| 16:47:57 | NeoTron | you then sell the service of compiling it and providing binary packages |
| 16:48:03 | warmi | yeah, but I wrote Puzz-le while he just ported Knights.. |
| 16:48:06 | mark | Neo|Away: coz compared to the original authors, I've done nothing, i'd feel wrong |
| 16:48:11 | warmi | but legally he would be alright |
| 16:48:23 | mark | not ethically though |
| 16:48:25 | mark | :) |
| 16:48:27 | warmi | CloudChaser: well, you did exactly that, didn't you ? |
| 16:48:29 | NeoTron | mark: bah, you still provide the source. People need to start looking out for themselves! |
| 16:48:55 | mark | NeoTron: stop corrupting me :P |
| 16:49:00 | warmi | hehee |
| 16:49:27 | CloudChaser | yes but apparently i didn't do it quite right.. again he doesn't specify if you do it on z screen or pc client screen |
| 16:49:29 | mark | i could do a donation type page |
| 16:49:30 | warmi | essentially, Neo is right .. you could sell it for $10 or so |
| 16:49:39 | CloudChaser | so i'll start over again later and try it on z this time |
| 16:49:43 | NeoTron | anyhow, work |
| 16:49:46 | warmi | CloudChaser: well, you can try both and se e which one works |
| 16:49:47 | warmi | hehe |
| 16:49:54 | CloudChaser | yep |
| 16:50:03 | treke_ | mark : Look at it this way, if you hadnt compiled and packaged it, no one would be able to play it. So you deserve some reimbursement. Perhaps do what ljp does and offer it for sale on handango, and give it away elsewhere |
| 16:50:15 | mark | warmi: how much is ZChess gonna go for? |
| 16:50:59 | warmi | nothing :-) |
| 16:51:41 | warmi | but I will sell something else I am working on .. |
| 16:51:43 | nems | Does anyone know of an open source version of Galaga? |
| 16:51:53 | mark | warmi: heh |
| 16:51:54 | warmi | Xgalaga ? |
| 16:52:08 | nems | Hmm. I dont know if I could get that running on the Z... |
| 16:52:19 | [DrEvil] | one day zmame will support it |
| 16:52:19 | [DrEvil] | heh |
| 16:52:23 | nems | That would be so nice. |
| 16:52:26 | nems | How does zmame work? |
| 16:52:30 | mark | warmi: it is tempting to sell it, specially if I get internet playing working |
| 16:52:30 | warmi | of course not .. but I thought you were asking about source code to port |
| 16:52:32 | nems | I'm kinda new to teh whole mame thing. |
| 16:52:43 | [DrEvil] | MAME is an arcade game emulator |
| 16:52:49 | nems | warmi: I was... but I'm not the best C coder in the world... porting from X libs to anything else would kill me ;) |
| 16:53:04 | warmi | mark: precisely ... just make sure that it works right and sell it .. my version only allows for playing comp vs comp or comp vs human |
| 16:53:06 | nems | My C experience is "compile... damn it broke.. oh, I can fix that." |
| 16:53:06 | [DrEvil] | you can download rom images of your favorite arcade games and play them |
| 16:53:18 | [DrEvil] | although zmame doesn't support everything yet |
| 16:53:23 | nems | Hmm.. sound cool. |
| 16:53:26 | warmi | nems: that's how this industry works |
| 16:53:26 | nems | sounds |
| 16:53:30 | warmi | heh |
| 16:53:45 | nems | warmi : I know.. but if its anything big that breaks, instead of "Oh I can fix that" you get "Oh. damnit." |
| 16:53:51 | warmi | hehe |
| 16:53:53 | nems | ;) |
| 16:54:08 | mark | warmi: knights does human v human too. rather pointless, but nice none the less |
| 16:54:12 | kergoth | sweet, found what i needed. |
| 16:54:14 | nems | hmm... SW is beta testing their new game.. and their sign up script is broken... lol |
| 16:54:23 | mark | SW? |
| 16:54:29 | warmi | well, mine does to using "hot seat" or rather hot hand |
| 16:54:31 | nems | kergoth : I had that happen once. |
| 16:54:31 | kergoth | I think I'm going to swipe the ipaq ts driver's jitter correction for our driver when I get to the TS shit |
| 16:54:34 | nems | Once. |
| 16:54:36 | kergoth | nems: lol |
| 16:54:49 | nems | mark: Star wars. |
| 16:55:15 | mark | oh :) |
| 16:55:22 | nems | a matrix rpg is coming out too. |
| 16:55:23 | nems | onlnie. |
| 16:55:25 | nems | online even. |
| 16:55:37 | nems | I glanced up at the top of slashdot to see a redhat ad... |
| 16:55:45 | nems | I thougt it read, "Join the Red Hat Army of Fiends" |
| 16:55:47 | warmi | mark: I have other stuff like 7 different piece sets , different boards etc .. but my prog lacks one thing you have which is going to be very importand for some people ... internet play |
| 16:55:58 | nems | And right after that a flag flashes saying "USe your linux powers for good rather than evil" |
| 16:56:00 | nems | and I misread that too. |
| 16:56:24 | warmi | hehe |
| 16:56:27 | mark | warmi: by different piece sets you mean themes? |
| 16:56:34 | nems | To quote Dante... "I shouldnt even BE here today." |
| 16:56:42 | nems | nyways.. afkish back to work :) |
| 16:56:44 | warmi | well, sort of .. yeah different looking chess pieces |
| 16:56:49 | mark | ah okay |
| 16:57:21 | warmi | does knight support loading and "playing back" external png games ? |
| 16:57:25 | mark | warmi: yeh |
| 16:57:54 | warmi | so does ZChess .. basically it will boil down to interface prefernces to some people and internet play |
| 16:58:16 | mark | warmi: its always nice to have a choice :) |
| 16:58:36 | warmi | If you really want to sell it then I can simply drop this whole ZChess to let you make more money with Knights |
| 16:58:53 | mark | warmi: or you could sell yours too |
| 16:59:17 | warmi | well, yeah.. I suppose I could |
| 16:59:54 | mark | prolly be the best for both of us - I wouldn't want to stop ZChess |
| 17:00:50 | warmi | ZChess is as mature as Knights .. I started it about one month ago |
| 17:01:19 | warmi | but I think it will be better "looking" hehe |
| 17:01:29 | mark | warmi: heh, the battle of the screenshots :P |
| 17:01:29 | warmi | Microsoft style ... looks over brains |
| 17:01:31 | warmi | hehe |
| 17:02:08 | mark | warmi: you have a screengrab actually? |
| 17:02:16 | warmi | only very old one |
| 17:02:18 | nems | lol |
| 17:02:25 | warmi | you probably seen already |
| 17:02:30 | nems | You guys crack me up. |
| 17:02:42 | warmi | why ? |
| 17:02:59 | mark | warmi: http://www.warmi.net/images/phalanx.png? |
| 17:03:02 | nems | You're just funny... The microsoft style comment was what I was talking about specifically though :) |
| 17:03:16 | warmi | yeah, that's it |
| 17:03:39 | warmi | well, it is true .. MS stuff is always well polished , profesionally looking software |
| 17:03:46 | mark | not quite up to date, but, http://www.houseoffish.org/snapshot16.png |
| 17:03:47 | warmi | sometimes it even does work as well |
| 17:04:26 | warmi | heh .. I rendered my board with 3d software to achieve that shaded look :-) |
| 17:04:35 | | jamey was last seen on #handhelds.org 18 hours, 37 minutes and 12 seconds ago, saying: I'll be on vacation and back in the office june 4th [Wed May 22 23:27:23 2002] |
| 17:04:35 | kergoth`coding | ibot: seen jamey? |
| 17:04:44 | | Fatbum was last seen on #zaurus 0 seconds ago, saying: ibot: seen Fatbum [Thu May 23 18:04:44 2002] |
| 17:04:44 | Fatbum | ibot: seen Fatbum |
| 17:04:50 | warmi | I can apply different tiles to that and still have this "3d" look |
| 17:05:16 | warmi | btw .. I tried to compile Knights last night .. |
| 17:05:26 | mark | warmi: the KDE version? |
| 17:05:35 | warmi | and I had some problems .... it would complain about KDe headers .. |
| 17:05:37 | warmi | yeah |
| 17:05:47 | warmi | I have KDE 2.3 installed |
| 17:05:49 | mark | warmi: heh, I couldn't get it to compile either |
| 17:06:08 | warmi | and binary RPM was linked with tons of libraries I never even heard of |
| 17:06:18 | warmi | and certainly are not part of my KDE installation |
| 17:06:25 | nems | Fatbum is kind of a weirdo. |
| 17:06:31 | | fatbum is cool. |
| 17:06:31 | nems | ibot, fatbum? |
| 17:06:35 | warmi | hehe |
| 17:06:38 | | ...but fatbum is cool.... |
| 17:06:38 | nems | ibot, fatbum is kind of a weirdo. |
| 17:06:40 | | kergoth`coding: I forgot fatbum |
| 17:06:40 | kergoth`coding | ibot: forget fatbum |
| 17:06:43 | | nems, I didn't have anything matching 'fatbum' |
| 17:06:43 | nems | ibot, forget fatbum |
| 17:06:43 | | you are here |
| 17:06:43 | warmi | ibot: warmi |
| 17:06:45 | | OK, nems. |
| 17:06:45 | nems | ibot, fatbum is kind of a weirdo. |
| 17:06:46 | nems | Thanks :) |
| 17:06:48 | warmi | no shit |
| 17:06:49 | | fatbum is kind of a weirdo. |
| 17:06:49 | nems | ibot fatbum |
| 17:06:59 | | i think nems is the flash freakin' master. |
| 17:06:59 | nems | ibot, nems? |
| 17:08:37 | mark | warmi: my debian package went in ok |
| 17:08:58 | kergoth`coding | ibot: message for ljp: some of our work may have been done for us on audio driver... |
| 17:09:08 | warmi | well. I don't use debian |
| 17:09:17 | warmi | and I will not use it |
| 17:09:18 | warmi | hehe |
| 17:09:25 | warmi | on that , I agree with DrEvil |
| 17:09:32 | warmi | Debian is evil :-) |
| 17:09:38 | mark | warmi: just like i wont and will not use redhat, coz its evil :) |
| 17:10:07 | warmi | huh .. RH ... but get this ... I do like my doual boot Windows box |
| 17:10:16 | warmi | in fact I developed Puzz-le on Windows 2000 :-) |
| 17:10:23 | mark | heh |
| 17:10:24 | warmi | and then just tweaked it under Linux |
| 17:10:26 | nems | I love my dual boot windows/linux box. |
| 17:10:27 | mark | puzzle rather rocks |
| 17:10:33 | nems | Where else am I going to play games? |
| 17:10:44 | warmi | yeah, that's what I use it for |
| 17:10:47 | nems | :) |
| 17:11:02 | warmi | but I am very attracted to MS Visual Studio |
| 17:11:14 | warmi | this is why I prefer to develop under Windows . |
| 17:11:37 | warmi | I like it so much I even went out and bought Visual Slick Edit for Linux which is like MS VS for Unix |
| 17:11:42 | kergoth`coding | shit |
| 17:11:47 | kergoth`coding | hm |
| 17:12:05 | warmi | ?? |
| 17:12:17 | warmi | what happened kergoth ? |
| 17:12:26 | kergoth`coding | nothing, just trying to dig up drivers |
| 17:12:43 | kergoth`coding | I need the latest ucb1200 drivers which are in the ipaq sources, and am trying to find out which patch provided it |
| 17:12:44 | kergoth`coding | heh |
| 17:13:18 | warmi | I thought you were swearing at my Windows addiction |
| 17:13:32 | warmi | mark: do you use Windows ? |
| 17:14:23 | mark | warmi: my 3rd box is windows - I run specialised music software on it |
| 17:14:47 | nems | Hehe |
| 17:15:09 | mark | 1) gentoo 2) debian 3) win 2000 |
| 17:15:12 | warmi | oh so you are into music |
| 17:15:23 | nems | ya know.. I laugh like 5 minutes late at something and people must all think I'm just really slow. ;) He who laughs last sort of thing.. |
| 17:15:36 | ljp | my win2k box is also my audio recording machinie |
| 17:15:48 | mark | nems: what was it that time? |
| 17:15:56 | mark | warmi: yeh |
| 17:16:17 | warmi | hehe |
| 17:16:29 | ljp | hmmm audio driver work eh? |
| 17:16:48 | mark | wants an open source microwave |
| 17:17:07 | ljp | nothing beats rme light pipe recorded in Cubase. |
| 17:17:33 | mark | ljp: eugh, Cubase. Sonar is much nicer :) |
| 17:17:44 | ljp | same damn thing |
| 17:17:59 | mark | never got on with emagic |
| 17:18:36 | ljp | damn I really hate how qpe closes QDialog's |
| 17:18:55 | kergoth`coding | ljp: there's a ucb1200 audio driver in the ipaq sources. |
| 17:19:06 | kergoth`coding | ljp: we may be able to drop the shitty zaurus one right off the bat |
| 17:19:17 | mark | :) |
| 17:19:31 | mark | kergoth`coding: cool |
| 17:19:47 | ljp | hmmm you sure that the main audio chip? |
| 17:19:51 | mark | kergoth`coding: we ever gonna get audio out of that beeper thing? |
| 17:19:57 | kergoth`coding | ljp: also, it appears that in 2.4.18-rmk6, there's a generic sa1100ssp driver for accessing a DAC via SSP over a GPIO pin... which is precisely how we access the dac on the Z according to the block diagram |
| 17:20:25 | | mark: huh? |
| 17:20:25 | mark | ibot: DAC |
| 17:20:29 | | SSP is probably a shared resource with other machines as are the GPIO lines, so separating them out makes integration clearer, the big single file is easiest for initial development tho' |
| 17:20:29 | mark | ibot: SSP |
| 17:20:31 | kergoth`coding | ljp: so the ssp driver may work... I'm going to finish up the lcd/fb shit to get the damn thing booting.. then mess with the mtd drivers to get it booted.. then I'll look into this shit |
| 17:20:41 | | mark: i'm not following you... |
| 17:20:41 | mark | ibot: GPIO |
| 17:20:46 | ljp | nice |
| 17:21:15 | kergoth`coding | ljp: looks like half of the work done by lineo is already incorporated into the sources eh.. not the collie stuff, but the generally useful stuff |
| 17:21:33 | ljp | I wish we can get the buzzer doing audio.. only thing is.. its 12 bit.. but the chip can do 16 I think |
| 17:21:52 | ljp | as I remember |
| 17:21:57 | mark | ljp: yeh, that'd be good |
| 17:22:12 | kergoth`coding | ljp: we'll get it done. but thats long term after we have 2.4.18-rmk6 booting and the regular dac working |
| 17:22:15 | kergoth`coding | ljp: heh |
| 17:22:26 | kergoth`coding | ljp: plus the keymap stuff for the hardware keyboard.. |
| 17:22:36 | kergoth`coding | formulates a TDOO |
| 17:22:40 | kergoth`coding | s/TDOO/TODO/ |
| 17:29:31 | warmi | mark: this is what I was talking about when I said I would be selling something else than ZChess on handgo |
| 17:29:34 | warmi | http://www.warmi.net/images/zdiary.png |
| 17:30:07 | nems | What does the rmk part stand for? |
| 17:30:22 | warmi | sort of like a free for all notepad with ability to type, draw ... etc |
| 17:30:48 | warmi | fonts, colors etc |
| 17:30:56 | kergoth`coding | nems: rmk is the maintainer of the arm kernels |
| 17:32:23 | warmi | kergoth`coding: is arm kernel up to date with X86 ? |
| 17:33:10 | nems | Ahhh. Cool, thanks |
| 17:33:37 | kergoth`coding | warmi: well, the latest is 2.4.18-rmk6 on the 2.4 tree.. i think its pretty damn close |
| 17:35:05 | warmi | did they manage to roll in that "Low-Latency Patch" into it ? |
| 17:35:17 | kergoth`coding | Neo|Away: fyi nicolas pitre's vorbis stuff is at ftp://ftp.arm.linux.org.uk/pub/armlinux/people/nico/vorbis/ |
| 17:35:22 | kergoth`coding | warmi: not certain |
| 17:35:53 | warmi | that would certainly be usefull on a device like Zaurus |
| 17:36:14 | mark | yes, i'd like that for qTick :) |
| 17:36:21 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:36:35 | kergoth | oh cool, thats what nico's been up to. patches to the rmk tree for xscale support |
| 17:36:36 | kergoth | nifty |
| 17:37:15 | mark | dlg_settings.cpp:48: no matching function for call to `setPageGeneral::setPageGeneral (QGridLayout *, resource *)' |
| 17:37:16 | mark | setpagegeneral.h:42: candidates are: setPageGeneral::setPageGeneral(QWidget * = 0, resource * = 0) |
| 17:38:03 | mark | could kill QT sometimes |
| 17:47:12 | Fatbum | hey in oz is there a conf file for the hardware buttons? |
| 17:47:17 | benmeyer | pst time is 3 hours behind est right? |
| 17:47:20 | benmeyer | or is it 4 hours? |
| 17:47:29 | mark | warmi: looks cool |
| 17:47:36 | benmeyer | i.e. it is 9:51 right now there |
| 17:47:36 | mark | warmi: licesne? |
| 17:47:38 | kergoth | smacks forehead |
| 17:47:50 | kergoth | i'm a moron |
| 17:47:51 | kergoth | sheesh |
| 17:47:56 | mark | kergoth: what now? |
| 17:48:15 | warmi | mark: commerical :-) |
| 17:48:17 | kergoth | they moved the ucb1200 support into drivers/misc instead of drivers/char |
| 17:48:20 | kergoth | so I couldnt find it |
| 17:48:29 | Fatbum | hey in oz is there a conf file for the hardware buttons? |
| 17:48:32 | kergoth | and they renamed the drives to ucb1x00 so my find didnt find it |
| 17:48:33 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:48:34 | Fatbum | kergoth? |
| 17:48:35 | kergoth | Fatbum: ? |
| 17:48:41 | Fatbum | in oz is there a conf file for the hardware buttons? |
| 17:48:44 | kergoth | Fatbum: install opie-appkeys |
| 17:48:51 | kergoth | Fatbum: lets you reconfigure them |
| 17:48:55 | Fatbum | eh |
| 17:49:00 | Fatbum | i cant install anything |
| 17:49:05 | Fatbum | till i get home |
| 17:49:09 | Fatbum | no cradle or cf reader |
| 17:49:23 | Neo|Work | warmi: it's a notepad/drawpad combo? |
| 17:49:25 | Fatbum | cries |
| 17:49:40 | warmi | yeah, you can insert images freely - almost like a mini word :-) |
| 17:50:04 | warmi | but it is stil about 1 month away .. a lot of testing and stuff still needs to be done |
| 17:50:06 | Neo|Work | insert, or insert/draw? |
| 17:50:35 | warmi | insert and draw ... basically when you click on it , it becomes hot and you can draw inplace |
| 17:51:13 | Fatbum | i want a drawing program you can select and cut/drag in |
| 17:52:17 | warmi | yeah, you can cut images and text , paste them aroun basically like mini word processor |
| 17:52:24 | Fatbum | cool |
| 17:52:29 | Fatbum | you're develing it? |
| 17:52:33 | warmi | except it is more like a notepad or diary |
| 17:52:35 | warmi | yeah |
| 17:52:44 | Fatbum | is it freeware? |
| 17:52:54 | warmi | I am done with the text editor widget now working on theming engine |
| 17:52:58 | warmi | no :-) |
| 17:53:01 | warmi | but it will be cheap |
| 17:53:03 | Fatbum | you're a bad man |
| 17:53:08 | Fatbum | :-) |
| 17:53:14 | Fatbum | ill make my own |
| 17:53:15 | kergoth | I'll buy it |
| 17:53:16 | warmi | no, I am hard working man |
| 17:53:16 | Fatbum | and show you all |
| 17:53:17 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:53:18 | Fatbum | hehe |
| 17:53:23 | Fatbum | no i cant write my name |
| 17:53:26 | Fatbum | let alone programs |
| 17:53:29 | warmi | trust me ... to develop widget like that it takes a LOT of time |
| 17:53:32 | Fatbum | we just took a test in comp sci |
| 17:53:41 | Fatbum | sure it does warmi |
| 17:53:43 | Fatbum | suuuure |
| 17:53:51 | Fatbum | 'long time'.....alone......hmm? |
| 17:53:55 | Fatbum | its an excuse isnt it! |
| 17:53:59 | Fatbum | hehe |
| 17:54:17 | warmi | yeah .. heheeh ... nems was right ... fatbum IS weird hehe |
| 17:54:52 | Fatbum | i am |
| 17:54:55 | Fatbum | im psycho |
| 17:54:57 | kergoth | ljp: did you try getting access to the cvs repos for the kernel sources i'm working on? |
| 17:55:00 | Fatbum | why do you think i got a z? |
| 17:55:01 | Fatbum | hehe |
| 17:55:29 | Fatbum | ok how long does every1 battery last? |
| 17:55:41 | warmi | heh |
| 17:55:52 | warmi | not long enoughj |
| 17:56:05 | Fatbum | someone needs to develop an 'ontime' app....not uptime like since you restarted, but a 'actual use time' |
| 17:56:11 | Fatbum | so you know how long your battery is lasting |
| 17:56:32 | Fatbum | i needa take my z back |
| 17:56:39 | Fatbum | get a new one sans dead pixels |
| 17:56:43 | kergoth | Fatbum: that wouldnt work, because battery draw depends on actual use |
| 17:56:54 | kergoth | Fatbum: that is, using it more actively.. say with a 802.11 card draws faster |
| 17:56:55 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:57:15 | Fatbum | i know.....yeah i guess.... |
| 17:57:29 | kergoth | well, i wont say it woulndt work, just that it wouldnt be enough info :-) |
| 17:57:35 | Fatbum | 2h:15m left in school |
| 17:57:37 | Fatbum | gay as hell |
| 17:57:43 | kergoth | 5 hours left in work |
| 17:57:43 | Fatbum | school suxxors |
| 17:57:46 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:58:01 | Fatbum | yeah i got fired from my last job |
| 17:58:01 | mark | Fatbum: people dont usually appreciate the use of gay as a derogiatry adjective |
| 17:58:05 | Fatbum | i know |
| 17:58:10 | Fatbum | i used to work with a gay guy |
| 17:58:14 | Fatbum | hehe |
| 17:58:22 | kergoth | so cut it out then, damnit |
| 17:58:23 | kergoth | :-P |
| 17:58:25 | Fatbum | he always asked me why everything was bad was 'gay' |
| 17:58:47 | Fatbum | i do the best Mr. Garrison impression |
| 17:58:55 | kergoth | i believe it |
| 17:58:58 | Fatbum | haha |
| 17:59:05 | Fatbum | fahqd |
| 17:59:09 | Fatbum | the fah-q daemon |
| 17:59:14 | Fatbum | hehe |
| 17:59:18 | Fatbum | ghostbusters |
| 17:59:20 | Fatbum | whee |
| 17:59:27 | kergoth | bah, dont need a daemon. just a cron job that runs fahq |
| 17:59:28 | Fatbum | im not high but youd think i was |
| 17:59:30 | kergoth | hehh |
| 17:59:41 | Fatbum | cron times stuff right? |
| 17:59:43 | ljp | sooo... who wants to place bets on the actual day TT announces the Contest winners? |
| 17:59:51 | warmi | bunch of other "themes" in action .. |
| 17:59:53 | kergoth | Fatbum: runs stuff periodically. every certain period of time |
| 17:59:54 | warmi | http://www.warmi.net/images/zdiary2.png |
| 18:00:00 | warmi | http://www.warmi.net/images/zdiary3.png |
| 18:00:04 | mark | ljp: placing bets on the century would be better |
| 18:00:05 | warmi | http://www.warmi.net/images/zdiary4.png |
| 18:00:08 | warmi | hehe |
| 18:00:11 | Fatbum | hehe |
| 18:00:13 | kergoth | warmi: nice work |
| 18:00:16 | warmi | I already said it won't happen this week |
| 18:00:58 | mark | warmi: is that qvfb on windows or what? |
| 18:00:59 | warmi | and I am sure Neo would agree with me |
| 18:01:17 | warmi | no, it is standard Qt on windows with small window to match size of Z .. |
| 18:01:23 | mark | ah okay |
| 18:01:23 | warmi | later I will move it to qpe |
| 18:01:30 | Fatbum | www.warmi.net |
| 18:01:42 | treke_ | votes for never |
| 18:01:48 | warmi | hehe |
| 18:02:07 | Fatbum | i do that when im lazy, so i can just dbl-click on it |
| 18:02:14 | Fatbum | noone ever asks me why i type in stuff |
| 18:02:18 | Fatbum | strange |
| 18:02:19 | warmi | yeah, they will split the cool stuff among themselves .. perhaps let in JasonNJ and that wil be it |
| 18:02:21 | warmi | hehe |
| 18:02:40 | mark | Fatbum: you american? |
| 18:03:21 | ljp | ya most americans are fat bums |
| 18:03:26 | Fatbum | yea |
| 18:03:36 | Fatbum | its true |
| 18:03:36 | mark | ljp: just what I was thinking :) |
| 18:03:41 | treke_ | sounds right to me |
| 18:03:45 | Fatbum | why do you think im so lazy? |
| 18:03:52 | Fatbum | fuckin america |
| 18:04:24 | Fatbum | we gonna be able to get opera on the oz? |
| 18:04:28 | Fatbum | can you dl it? |
| 18:04:29 | Fatbum | or no? |
| 18:04:30 | warmi | hell fatbum is anything but lazy .. at least not as far as typing is concerned |
| 18:04:44 | Fatbum | i type fast |
| 18:04:46 | kergoth | Fatbum: opera is not available outside the sharp rom. neither is java |
| 18:04:47 | Fatbum | so i type a lot |
| 18:04:53 | Fatbum | why not? |
| 18:04:56 | kergoth | Fatbum: you can extract it from the sharp rom if you like, but you're on your own there |
| 18:05:04 | Fatbum | um...yeah |
| 18:05:07 | Fatbum | have you done that? |
| 18:05:11 | kergoth | Fatbum: I dont have a license to distribute that shit |
| 18:05:18 | Fatbum | but youve done it? |
| 18:05:20 | kergoth | Fatbum: of course, i've created ipks from every package in the sharp rom. |
| 18:05:22 | warmi | kergoth: but it won't be in ipkg form , just binary right ? |
| 18:05:32 | Fatbum | well share the wealth of info man' |
| 18:05:43 | warmi | hehe,, I doubt they have ipkgs in ROM |
| 18:05:45 | kergoth | Fatbum: the info is on paul's site.. he did the sd rom |
| 18:05:52 | Fatbum | paul is.... |
| 18:05:58 | warmi | that was a rather stupid question to ask |
| 18:06:00 | Fatbum | sorry im new |
| 18:06:18 | Fatbum | im like the new guy that doesnt know the coffee pot explodes when you touch it |
| 18:06:19 | kergoth | warmi: nope, i wrote a perl script that parses a file i wrote that associates files in the rom to a package name, and then creates ipks for everything.. it handles the symlink madness too. heh |
| 18:06:26 | kergoth | Fatbum: DONT touch the coffee pot |
| 18:06:31 | Fatbum | huh? |
| 18:06:36 | Fatbum | screams in burning pain |
| 18:06:39 | Fatbum | oooooow |
| 18:06:39 | kergoth | itll explode |
| 18:06:44 | kergoth | see, told ya |
| 18:06:46 | Fatbum | god help us all |
| 18:06:47 | Fatbum | my eyes |
| 18:06:48 | warmi | cool, does it work with buil-in Java as wel ? |
| 18:06:52 | Fatbum | the glass, its in my skin |
| 18:06:55 | Fatbum | help me jeebus |
| 18:07:05 | kergoth | warmi: i dotn remember if i added the packaging info for java or not. itd be easy to add tho |
| 18:07:25 | Fatbum | wheres pauls site? |
| 18:07:31 | warmi | frankly, that makes OPIE and OpenZaurus no lose situation .. |
| 18:07:41 | warmi | of course, assuming it will get all the bugs hammered out |
| 18:07:49 | Fatbum | hey ill distribute that shit |
| 18:07:51 | Fatbum | im lawless |
| 18:07:59 | Fatbum | im emancipated from every law in the state |
| 18:07:59 | kergoth | yep. as a matter of fact, the oz buildsystem actually downloads the sharp rom, splits it apart, loopback mounts the rootfs, and then creates ipks from it |
| 18:08:13 | kergoth | at least, it used to. i'd have to hack up the makefiles back up to make it work again |
| 18:08:20 | Fatbum | pauls site |
| 18:08:23 | warmi | hehe ... man you are pushing the envelope here .. legally :-) |
| 18:08:24 | Fatbum | paul puh-pauls site |
| 18:08:30 | kergoth | warmi: shhh |
| 18:09:03 | warmi | heh |
| 18:09:11 | W|GGL|T | is back (gone 11:34:20) |
| 18:09:19 | Fatbum | paul puh-pauls site |
| 18:09:25 | warmi | eventually Sharp won't have any other choice but hire you to work for them |
| 18:09:29 | warmi | heh |
| 18:09:39 | Fatbum | i wish i was good at programming |
| 18:09:43 | Fatbum | i think im brain damaged tho |
| 18:09:49 | W|GGL|T | same here |
| 18:09:50 | W|GGL|T | hehe |
| 18:10:08 | warmi | Fatbum: if you stop wishing and start working there is a good chance you will become one |
| 18:10:10 | warmi | lol |
| 18:10:22 | kergoth | but, he's lazy |
| 18:10:24 | Fatbum | yep |
| 18:10:27 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 18:10:31 | kergoth | see, i'm lazy |
| 18:10:33 | kergoth | as well |
| 18:10:37 | kergoth | but I still get SOME work done |
| 18:10:38 | kergoth | :-) |
| 18:10:43 | Fatbum | i read the first 4 pages of all these programming books then im like: ooh crackers :-) |
| 18:10:48 | Fatbum | chomp chomp chomp |
| 18:11:00 | Fatbum | eats crackers! |
| 18:11:02 | warmi | so am I .. I am wasting so much time talking here .. it is scary .. |
| 18:11:10 | warmi | well, at least I am getting paid for this |
| 18:11:11 | kergoth | warmi: yes, damn irc does waste my time. |
| 18:11:20 | warmi | lol |
| 18:11:21 | Fatbum | whats intent? |
| 18:11:25 | kergoth | i just realized i couldve taken my lunch break 15 minutes ago |
| 18:11:29 | kergoth | wtf am i doing sitting here |
| 18:11:35 | Fatbum | hehe |
| 18:11:38 | Fatbum | bye kersucka |
| 18:11:44 | Fatbum | warm-piss |
| 18:11:45 | W|GGL|T | bring me back a sammich |
| 18:11:46 | Fatbum | ha |
| 18:11:53 | Fatbum | they're gone man... |
| 18:11:56 | Fatbum | make fun of em good |
| 18:12:00 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 18:12:02 | kergoth`lunch | NO. SAMMICH IS MINE bitch |
| 18:12:07 | | kergoth`lunch was last seen on #zaurus 5 seconds ago, saying: NO. SAMMICH IS MINE bitch [Thu May 23 19:12:02 2002] |
| 18:12:07 | Fatbum | ibot: seen kergoth`lunch |
| 18:12:11 | W|GGL|T | hell no...i may need future help with my Z |
| 18:12:12 | W|GGL|T | hehe |
| 18:12:12 | | kergoth`lunch was last seen on #zaurus 10 seconds ago, saying: NO. SAMMICH IS MINE bitch [Thu May 23 19:12:02 2002] |
| 18:12:12 | Fatbum | ibot: seen kergoth`lunch |
| 18:12:21 | Fatbum | oh they'll help |
| 18:12:25 | Fatbum | they like being made fun of |
| 18:12:26 | kergoth`lunch | k im gone |
| 18:12:29 | Fatbum | lataz man |
| 18:21:44 | Neo|Work | ah damn it - I hate mandatory password changes |
| 18:21:51 | nems | you and me both. |
| 18:22:30 | Fatbum | gotta 73 on the comp sci test |
| 18:22:33 | Fatbum | fuckin gay |
| 18:22:37 | Neo|Work | especially when they remember all the previous passwords you've used! |
| 18:22:55 | Fatbum | how do i know what a object reference bullshit is |
| 18:24:10 | ]DrEvil[ | nems |
| 18:24:19 | ]DrEvil[ | you were asking about mame |
| 18:24:28 | ]DrEvil[ | http://www.homepromotions.net/Tehkan/mamesong.swf |
| 18:24:30 | nems | yup |
| 18:24:58 | ]DrEvil[ | that Flash is awesome |
| 18:25:12 | nems | I dont have flash installed :( |
| 18:25:19 | nems | All your base are belong to flash. |
| 18:25:28 | Fatbum | heh |
| 18:31:24 | warmi | did Jason mention anything about why is the annoucment delayed again ? |
| 18:31:31 | kergoth | mmm pizza |
| 18:31:59 | warmi | mm .. hot sousage |
| 18:32:11 | warmi | fuck ... I can't spell |
| 18:32:33 | warmi | sausage |
| 18:32:36 | warmi | heh |
| 18:33:48 | warmi | kergoth: which state are you in ? |
| 18:33:55 | kergoth | minnesota |
| 18:34:29 | warmi | oh .. well, not exactly know for pizza but these days it is so popular I guess no matter where you are you can find a good pizza there |
| 18:34:44 | kergoth | its not great, but good enough for me |
| 18:34:47 | kergoth | im not picky :-) |
| 18:35:11 | warmi | I love these mam&pop style pizzerias |
| 18:35:24 | warmi | it is a bit more expensive but man , is it good |
| 18:35:50 | W|GGL|T | you guys are making me hungry |
| 18:35:54 | kergoth | yeh, a lot better than the chain's |
| 18:36:19 | nems | Pizza shack |
| 18:36:24 | nems | this little place in fernley, was the best. |
| 18:36:45 | nems | Fernley is this little town outside of Reno NV... it has 3 fast food restaurants (one of which is a combination gas station) and one supermarket... The place has 2 street lights... |
| 18:36:59 | warmi | recently I cannot get enought Tacos .. |
| 18:37:03 | nems | .Anyways.. I digress... they had NITRO wings. Every time we'd order them people would ask... "Are you SURE you want these? You've had them before?" |
| 18:37:14 | Neo|Work | warmi: something about wanting more feedback, entries being close or something |
| 18:37:24 | warmi | and I am not a big fan of Mexican food anyway .. just somehow I beame crazy about tacos |
| 18:37:25 | nems | They were marinated in habanero sauce... These things would clear your nasal passages from 20 feet away... |
| 18:37:33 | kergoth | nems: damn |
| 18:37:43 | nems | They were hella good ;) |
| 18:37:54 | JasonNJ | sup. |
| 18:37:58 | JasonNJ | whzaaup kergoth |
| 18:37:59 | kergoth | I'm not used to shit that hot. heh |
| 18:37:59 | nems | heya Jason |
| 18:38:00 | kergoth | hey jason |
| 18:38:13 | kergoth | JasonNJ: actually figuring out this kernel shit. I love that feeling when you FINALLY understand something |
| 18:38:13 | Neo|Work | JasonNJ: did you test doom? :) |
| 18:38:14 | nems | kergoth : We ate LOTS of bread with it to soak up some of the acid in our stomachs... before it burned through :) |
| 18:38:14 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:38:20 | kergoth | nems: heheh |
| 18:38:22 | JasonNJ | doom is slick |
| 18:38:30 | JasonNJ | we need to tweak it a bit still |
| 18:38:42 | JasonNJ | like have it use the z's buttons |
| 18:38:52 | warmi | I asked that before but got disconnected .. does it have sound ? |
| 18:39:31 | benmeyer | Neo|Work: yah playing it right now |
| 18:39:43 | Neo|Work | JasonNJ: of course, as I said I didn't get that far |
| 18:39:44 | benmeyer | can you rotate it the other way |
| 18:39:48 | Neo|Work | warmi: yes it has sound |
| 18:39:52 | Neo|Work | benmeyer: actually, no |
| 18:39:55 | benmeyer | oh? |
| 18:40:04 | Neo|Work | well, I can of course |
| 18:40:12 | mtm | JasonNJ: where is Doom? |
| 18:40:14 | Neo|Work | but let me tell you why I don't thing it should be |
| 18:40:29 | nems | Nice. |
| 18:40:41 | Neo|Work | I will add stylus support (for turning like a joystick I think). Then for right handed people you want that with your right hand |
| 18:40:45 | Neo|Work | and left hand for the controls |
| 18:41:15 | Neo|Work | JasonNJ: arrow keys are "correct", escape works, "dpad button" is "select" in menues and also opens doors (space) |
| 18:41:21 | benmeyer | ok |
| 18:41:30 | Neo|Work | ok will need to be shoot, but right now that is one of those TODO's |
| 18:41:33 | Neo|Work | menu can be something |
| 18:41:36 | benmeyer | oh the middle button does that |
| 18:41:40 | Neo|Work | that's all I can do with the hardware buttons |
| 18:41:45 | benmeyer | I set shoot to a screen touch |
| 18:41:50 | JasonNJ | what about weapon control |
| 18:42:06 | Neo|Work | JasonNJ: that is a problem yes. No more buttons without going to the keyboard |
| 18:42:15 | JasonNJ | we also need some kind of qt launcher that allows you to specify net servers and stuff |
| 18:42:34 | Neo|Work | would be nice but is a definite "stage two" feature. :-P |
| 18:42:57 | warmi | net servers ? for Doom ? I thought it only run with IPX ? |
| 18:43:01 | Neo|Work | problem is I can't use any other keys on the front because qt is buggy |
| 18:43:16 | Neo|Work | I can use them but then they most likely will stop functioning |
| 18:43:18 | kergoth | warmi: thats what i was going to say.. when did it gain tcpip support. heh |
| 18:43:24 | nems | that would rule. |
| 18:43:28 | Neo|Work | warmi: these are patched to have a server and ip support |
| 18:43:35 | kergoth | Neo|Work: sweet |
| 18:43:35 | Neo|Work | only ipx doom is long gone. :P |
| 18:43:48 | kergoth | i remember playing doom over serial |
| 18:43:49 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:44:27 | kergoth | JasonNJ, benmeyer: are there any specs on the tc35143 chip? I dont think so, because bzflag doesnt have them either.. but thought id ask |
| 18:44:28 | JasonNJ | actually ipx/spx is theoretically posible under linux isnt it |
| 18:44:56 | warmi | heh .. yeah, sure |
| 18:44:56 | Neo|Work | it is, but this doom uses SDL_net so... |
| 18:45:05 | JasonNJ | kergoth: ask mitchy |
| 18:45:13 | warmi | I think there is even a NOvel client available |
| 18:45:16 | Neo|Work | doesn't the game has in-game network conneciton stuff btw |
| 18:45:56 | warmi | NeoWork:well IPX version had only for lan |
| 18:46:27 | Neo|Work | as I said, most (all?) doom versions today have full client/server support |
| 18:46:42 | Neo|Work | and i think prdoom has in-game network connection stuff too |
| 18:46:50 | warmi | then you are set |
| 18:47:06 | warmi | no need to create external executables |
| 18:48:46 | warmi | heh .. tcp/ip for Doom .. soon enoug we will see original Wolfenstein 3d multiplayer patch |
| 18:49:38 | warmi | btw.. Neo: do you know if there is SDL port of Wolfenstein 3d ? |
| 18:49:44 | Neo|Work | note "think" |
| 18:50:02 | Neo|Work | warmi: there is one yes |
| 18:50:20 | Neo|Work | http://icculus.org/wolf3d/ |
| 18:50:22 | warmi | so am sure it wouldn't take much to port that one as well |
| 18:50:44 | Neo|Work | don't know the status of it however |
| 18:51:24 | nems | IPX is very possible under linux. I've had it running for SC.... of course that was under wine... however Doom WAS playable over the internet.. at least final doom was. I dont know how much that helps you guys though :) |
| 18:52:00 | JasonNJ | original wolfenstein3d would rock |
| 18:52:24 | JasonNJ | I could go for commander keen and duke nukem |
| 18:52:30 | kergoth | JasonNJ: what's mitchy's email address again? I really need to populate my addressbook. |
| 18:52:33 | warmi | heh |
| 18:52:42 | Neo|Work | the main problem with all these gams is really the ability to play them |
| 18:52:49 | JasonNJ | wasnt there another side scroller that was opensoruced |
| 18:52:51 | Neo|Work | even early games like doom have a lot of key bindings |
| 18:52:55 | warmi | abuse |
| 18:52:58 | JasonNJ | right abuse |
| 18:53:20 | kergoth | abuse.. that used to be included in distributions didnt it? |
| 18:53:22 | Neo|Work | the port might not be hard (code wise). it's making them playable that is the main issue. |
| 18:53:23 | warmi | very good looking at that |
| 18:53:49 | JasonNJ | original duke nukem |
| 18:54:00 | JasonNJ | katayama.michita@sharp.co.jp |
| 18:54:01 | warmi | well, yeah, the problem is that once keyboard is out ,, it is hard to play sidewatys |
| 18:54:02 | JasonNJ | thats mitchy |
| 18:54:11 | kergoth | JasonNJ: thanks |
| 18:54:28 | Neo|Work | warmi: not to mention systems w/o a keyboard too |
| 18:54:47 | JasonNJ | there will be keyboardless Z's. |
| 18:54:58 | warmi | Neo|Work: there is doom port for Pocket PC ... you might want to see how they resolved this problem :-) |
| 18:55:01 | JasonNJ | or rather, ones where the keyboard is optional. |
| 18:55:10 | warmi | JasonNJ: that's seems like a step back |
| 18:55:18 | JasonNJ | well, think modular. |
| 18:55:30 | warmi | since the keyboard is hidden ,, it doesn't really bother anyone |
| 18:55:53 | JasonNJ | warmi: well, think about models that are meant to address a differnet consumber |
| 18:55:56 | treke_ | thinks the pocket quake solution was nifty |
| 18:55:58 | JasonNJ | say... the clie and palm v crowd |
| 18:56:13 | treke_ | Where you've got on screen controls |
| 18:56:14 | warmi | yeah, I guess without keyboard Z could be made lighter etc .. |
| 18:56:28 | kergoth | ljp: were you ever able to access the cvs on geezer? |
| 18:56:37 | ljp | havent tried yet.. |
| 18:56:57 | warmi | treke_: have you played Quake on PPC ? |
| 18:57:11 | kergoth | ljp: k, let me know how it goes. |
| 18:57:12 | Neo|Work | JasonNJ: it would be a lot better if Qtopia wasn't buggy so you could use all the buttons on the front |
| 18:57:13 | ljp | damn I feel crippled without dsl |
| 18:57:30 | kergoth | hehe. downloading kernel sources from cvs would be funnnn |
| 18:57:31 | kergoth | :-P |
| 18:57:46 | JasonNJ | man I am so looking forward to next week |
| 18:57:50 | Neo|Work | why? |
| 18:57:52 | kergoth | whats next week? |
| 18:57:59 | JasonNJ | I will be on vacation |
| 18:58:03 | JasonNJ | as of this saturday |
| 18:58:04 | treke_ | warmi : Havent played it yet, I wiped ppc |
| 18:58:05 | warmi | hehehe |
| 18:58:06 | Neo|Work | That was my guuess. :P |
| 18:58:09 | Neo|Work | anyhow, food |
| 18:58:14 | Neo|Work | is away: lunch |
| 18:58:17 | JasonNJ | palm beach resort baby |
| 18:58:20 | JasonNJ | florida |
| 18:58:23 | kergoth | nice, have fun |
| 18:58:29 | JasonNJ | me, deck chair, shades, bad star trek novel |
| 18:58:31 | treke_ | warmi : Looks like a good idea though |
| 18:58:33 | warmi | just one week ? |
| 18:58:34 | ljp | kergoth: try cvs up -CPdA in opie/ on a modem |
| 18:58:42 | kergoth | ljp: ughh |
| 18:59:00 | warmi | treke_: well but how fast it is to control it with on-screeen buttons etc ? |
| 18:59:25 | treke_ | warmi : It doesnt look like on screen buttons to me |
| 18:59:34 | treke_ | looks more gesture based |
| 18:59:39 | warmi | ah ok |
| 18:59:59 | treke_ | feh http://floridafieros.org/sketch/misc/links.jpg |
| 19:00:09 | treke_ | er wrong link |
| 19:00:15 | treke_ | http://quake.pocketmatrix.com/images/image2.gif |
| 19:00:59 | ljp | kergoth: I'll try that tonight when I wont have to suddenly disconnect because some goober wants to use a credit card.. |
| 19:01:06 | warmi | hmm ... that would actually make sense |
| 19:01:17 | kergoth | ljp: cool |
| 19:01:21 | kergoth | treke_: that looks pretty nifty |
| 19:01:30 | kergoth | ljp: I added TODO in the root of the kernel source dir |
| 19:01:45 | warmi | I wonder how well does it run on PPC considering the fact that they use the same FPUless CPU |
| 19:02:00 | warmi | somebody must have ported it to fixed integer I guess |
| 19:02:11 | treke_ | warmi : thats what it looks like. The code is all there :) |
| 19:02:23 | warmi | you mean , it is a available ? |
| 19:02:38 | CloudChaser | hello again..was reading back..warmi your zdiary looks very cool.. look forward to that |
| 19:02:57 | treke_ | yep. Quake and Quake 2 were both GPL releases |
| 19:03:13 | warmi | CloudChaser: yeah ... I have been working on this for the last month or so .. and it will take another month to get it done .. thanks |
| 19:03:16 | treke_ | http://quake.pocketmatrix.com/ |
| 19:04:13 | CloudChaser | and jason...do you think commander keen for the z would be possible? that would a great game to play on the train |
| 19:04:37 | treke_ | Keen was pascal iirc |
| 19:05:13 | treke_ | either that or I'm totally confused |
| 19:05:16 | CloudChaser | tries not to look too baffled |
| 19:05:26 | CloudChaser | hehe |
| 19:05:30 | warmi | treke_: pascal ??? |
| 19:05:35 | warmi | you kidding right ? |
| 19:05:40 | benmeyer | hey you can do a lot with pascal |
| 19:06:12 | numatrix | besides, I don't think it's open sourced. Unless someone wants to clone it. You can still buy it even, if I remember correctly. |
| 19:06:26 | warmi | well, yeah ... you CAN but do you really want to ? |
| 19:06:28 | warmi | hehe |
| 19:06:29 | treke_ | keen hasnt been open sourced |
| 19:06:54 | numatrix | Yeah, still shareware: http://www.3drealms.com/keen1/index.html |
| 19:06:55 | CloudChaser | ah i didn't know you could still buy it.. played it years ago |
| 19:06:59 | CloudChaser | and it was quite fun |
| 19:07:12 | numatrix | It was and is. I could actually read that language I played it so much. Seriously. |
| 19:07:24 | nyargh | blip |
| 19:07:39 | CloudChaser | hehe i liked 4 the best i think.. first computer game i ever actually finished/beat |
| 19:07:49 | CloudChaser | (thats why i liked it) |
| 19:08:28 | warmi | heh .. back then PC games ( including C. Keen) looked rather pathetic compared to what was available for Amiga |
| 19:08:56 | ljp | hmmm maybe TT had to take out a loan for the grand prize winner, which is why they haven't announced anything yet.. |
| 19:09:10 | warmi | heheheh |
| 19:09:14 | kergoth | ljp: !! |
| 19:09:17 | CloudChaser | how much is the prize? |
| 19:09:21 | kergoth | ljp: something is strange |
| 19:09:24 | ljp | 10,000 US |
| 19:09:26 | warmi | most of that came from Sharp anyway |
| 19:09:27 | CloudChaser | wow |
| 19:09:39 | ljp | + prizes |
| 19:09:52 | warmi | yeah, that's like 20 Zauruses right there !! |
| 19:09:57 | CloudChaser | good luck to all those here who entered! |
| 19:09:57 | warmi | heh |
| 19:09:59 | ljp | ya.. Sharp can afford that but TT ? |
| 19:10:08 | benmeyer | no I thought it is electronics that were worth 10K |
| 19:10:11 | warmi | a little farm of Zs |
| 19:10:16 | treke_ | and there was a laptop up |
| 19:10:18 | ljp | cluster em |
| 19:10:27 | kergoth | ljp: the 5500 linux source configuration file has collie_tc35143 sound driver enabled... that sounds suspiciously like a standard sound driver for the buzzer......... |
| 19:10:30 | ljp | cluster if Z's |
| 19:10:41 | ljp | hmmmm |
| 19:10:53 | treke_ | 4. |
| 19:10:53 | treke_ | * Grand Prize: $10,000 cash (USD), plus a Sharp big screen TV, Sharp home stereo, and a Sharp PC-UM10 laptop; |
| 19:10:53 | treke_ | * Five First Prizes: A Sharp PC-UM10 Laptop will be given to the person who writes the winning application in each category; |
| 19:11:07 | ljp | if someone would send me a 5500.. I'll do some buzzer testing |
| 19:11:28 | benmeyer | ljp the buzzer is the same as the 5000 |
| 19:11:39 | warmi | Neo : so you are saying that Strategic Assault has been submited to the contest ? |
| 19:11:44 | warmi | that sucks |
| 19:11:45 | benmeyer | nope |
| 19:11:48 | benmeyer | didn't get in |
| 19:11:49 | ljp | kergoth: I'm telling you, it IS standard, except there is no interface for outseid files. |
| 19:11:56 | warmi | heh |
| 19:12:12 | warmi | well, that's good . what can I say . otherwise it would steal the show |
| 19:12:15 | ljp | the char [] play fine through a normal /dev/dsp |
| 19:12:15 | warmi | :-) |
| 19:13:28 | warmi | man .. I quit smoking more than a year ago .. and still get these ocassional sudden urges to have one .. just like now :-) |
| 19:14:21 | kergoth | ljp: where are those chars defined again? |
| 19:14:37 | ljp | kergoth: are you saying the 5500 uses a different driver for the buzzer than the 5000d? |
| 19:14:58 | benmeyer | no it doesn't |
| 19:15:10 | kergoth | ljp: no.. i'm saying openzaurus may not be using the right kernel configuration |
| 19:15:18 | kergoth | ljp: and I'm also saying we may be able to fix this without much work. |
| 19:15:18 | ljp | ahhh |
| 19:15:35 | warmi | treke_: yeah, PPC quake was modified to use fixed point path |
| 19:15:41 | warmi | I am looking at the source code |
| 19:16:00 | ljp | kergoth: collie_ssp.c |
| 19:16:04 | numatrix | Did somebody say they had doom going? |
| 19:16:05 | warmi | and ,sadly, to use Winsock as well :-) |
| 19:16:16 | treke_ | warmi : That was probably always there :) |
| 19:16:32 | kergoth | ljp: err.. |
| 19:16:34 | kergoth | hmstatic struct file_operations TC35143_dsp_fops = { |
| 19:16:34 | kergoth | llseek: audio_llseek, |
| 19:16:34 | kergoth | #if 0 |
| 19:16:34 | kergoth | write: audio_write, |
| 19:16:34 | kergoth | #endif |
| 19:16:41 | benmeyer | yah doom is running |
| 19:16:42 | kergoth | they disable writing out the dsp |
| 19:16:44 | kergoth | fuckers |
| 19:16:45 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:16:51 | warmi | yeah, right ... I forgot that QUake does run on Windows :-) |
| 19:16:57 | ljp | hmm maybe not there hang on |
| 19:16:59 | numatrix | benmeyer: is it the same one at the adderss ibot knows about? |
| 19:16:59 | JasonNJ | I wonder if we could backport ppc quake? |
| 19:17:08 | | doom is not working yet, see ftp://ftp.sonic.net/pub/users/nbs/unix/zaurus/doom/ |
| 19:17:08 | benmeyer | ibot doom |
| 19:17:17 | treke_ | warmi : you'd need to report the new code over to the unix code |
| 19:17:26 | benmeyer | nope |
| 19:17:29 | benmeyer | this one works |
| 19:17:33 | kergoth | ljp: I thought ssp was for the standard sound driver, not the buzzer... |
| 19:17:46 | | ssp is a shared resource with other machines as are the GPIO lines, so separating them out makes integration clearer, the big single file is easiest for initial development tho' |
| 19:17:46 | kergoth | ibot: ssp? |
| 19:17:49 | mark | JasonNJ: someone has already done that... |
| 19:18:01 | warmi | mark: ?? where is it then ? |
| 19:18:13 | CloudChaser | warmi I restarted z, opened vnc server, clicked in upper left corner and bottom right corner of z, didn't seem to do anything, opened in viewer and did the same on the pc. i can access the left side..*shrugs* no idea which did the trick, neither seemed to do anything |
| 19:18:30 | mark | http://qpe.sourceforge.net/packages/ipaq/unstable/ |
| 19:18:43 | mark | warmi: there is quake on there |
| 19:18:45 | kergoth | ljp: holy shit |
| 19:18:54 | mark | warmi: it doesnt run well for lack of RAM |
| 19:18:56 | kergoth | ljp: guess what. audio_write is in the code.... |
| 19:19:14 | kergoth | ljp: its disabled.. we could try using the buzzer as a standard driver for both input and output as well as via ioctl... |
| 19:19:17 | warmi | well, PPC devices have 64 or even less |
| 19:19:32 | kergoth | ljp: "dsp1" is the interface to the tc35143 controller.. it just has writing disabled! |
| 19:19:45 | kergoth | shoots the sharp buzzer interface |
| 19:19:46 | ljp | kergoth: the buzzer is at collie_buzzer.c |
| 19:19:48 | warmi | CloudChaser: that's what I hate .. not knowing what happened |
| 19:19:50 | warmi | hehe |
| 19:19:50 | kergoth | ljp: i know. |
| 19:20:04 | treke_ | mark : is that code itegerized, or is it running poorly for lack of fpu? |
| 19:20:13 | warmi | now I will have to do the same magic on my Zaurus .. but what exactly should it be ? |
| 19:20:14 | warmi | hehe |
| 19:20:26 | ljp | kergoth: /dev/dsp1 is the mic input |
| 19:20:33 | warmi | yeah, computers scare me |
| 19:21:21 | warmi | btw .. is there source code available for vnc ? |
| 19:21:25 | kergoth | ljp: I know that .. because the tc35143 controlls the mic input. but that controller also controls the output to the dac for the buzzer, iirc |
| 19:21:36 | ljp | ahhhhh |
| 19:22:13 | warmi | PPC Quake uses GAPI .. which is like mini-directX for Pocket PC |
| 19:22:16 | ljp | wonder whats the buzzer device is |
| 19:22:20 | kergoth | ljp: if thats the case... we could have a full fledged dsp1 for write() as well |
| 19:22:56 | kergoth | ljp: sure shit.. |
| 19:23:09 | kergoth | ljp: drivers/char/collie_buzzer.c just uses the functions in arch/arm/mach-sa1100/collie_buzzer.c |
| 19:23:24 | kergoth | ljp: the latter c file includes and uses the tc35143 to access the DAC for the buzzer. |
| 19:23:36 | kergoth | ljp: half our work is done for us... we just need to alter the tc35143 sound driver. |
| 19:23:39 | warmi | mark: are you sure that Quake.ipk is fixed point math version ? |
| 19:25:43 | ljp | ahhhh ok.. I see.. |
| 19:25:53 | kergoth | ljp: and whats better.. we dont have to break operation of the standard sharp buzzer driver. we can make it use the audio output methods in the tc35143 audio driver. |
| 19:26:00 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:26:06 | kergoth | woot |
| 19:26:51 | kergoth | okay I better do some real work now. |
| 19:27:26 | Neo|Work | is back (gone 00:29:12) |
| 19:27:30 | warmi | hi dauxxx |
| 19:27:33 | mark | treke_, warmi: its the intergerised version. warwick did it iirc |
| 19:27:44 | dauxxx | hi warmi |
| 19:28:00 | treke_ | mark : very cool. Will have to dig up my quake cd |
| 19:28:10 | warmi | hmm .. how fast is it .. have you tried it yet ? |
| 19:28:12 | mark | treke_: runs v poorely. about 2fps i think |
| 19:28:19 | warmi | heh |
| 19:28:42 | warmi | 2 fps ??? |
| 19:28:43 | treke_ | sounds like he did a bad job :) |
| 19:28:50 | mark | heh, yeh |
| 19:28:58 | warmi | I wonder what kind of fixed math is he using |
| 19:29:00 | warmi | heh |
| 19:29:14 | mark | i can't find the pocket pc quake web site |
| 19:29:49 | treke_ | /* division algorythm : subtract divisor from quotient repeatedly... |
| 19:30:01 | treke_ | mark : http://quake.pocketmatrix.com/ |
| 19:30:30 | warmi | I always claimed that Windows programmers are simply better :-) |
| 19:30:40 | warmi | heh |
| 19:30:59 | warmi | that is a dangerous thing to say on this chanel |
| 19:31:12 | kergoth | takes warmi out back to be shot |
| 19:31:13 | kergoth | :-P |
| 19:31:19 | treke_ | makes some adjustments to warmi's brakes |
| 19:31:39 | ljp | windows are for washing |
| 19:31:44 | Neo|Work | benmeyer: didn't get in? why? |
| 19:32:01 | warmi | haha |
| 19:32:05 | warmi | I like that one ljp |
| 19:32:07 | Neo|Work | re: SA that is |
| 19:32:13 | ljp | anybody know what washing a disk means? |
| 19:32:31 | warmi | Neo|Work: don't ask why .. just be thankfull it didn't |
| 19:32:32 | warmi | heh |
| 19:32:34 | ljp | i think thats the term |
| 19:33:05 | ljp | I dunno.. maybe I should just go back to bed.. |
| 19:33:08 | Neo|Work | unless he forgot to submit it it seems odd that "it dign't get in" |
| 19:33:20 | warmi | back to bed ??? |
| 19:33:40 | warmi | and I thought my job was reasonably OK |
| 19:33:54 | warmi | Neo|Work: most likely missed the deadline |
| 19:34:49 | Neo|Work | shrugs. |
| 19:35:09 | JasonNJ | I have you guys know, we had a hell of a time judging the games |
| 19:35:13 | JasonNJ | because all of them were good |
| 19:35:23 | ljp | I bet.. I couldnt have done that |
| 19:35:36 | ljp | call it a tie then ;) |
| 19:35:56 | warmi | and let's sell this lapton on ebay and then split the money |
| 19:35:59 | warmi | accordingly |
| 19:36:24 | ljp | laptop- sell the tv! |
| 19:37:40 | ljp | "we want a winner.. not a belly itcher!" |
| 19:37:49 | warmi | ljp: nah ... games don't win contest |
| 19:38:07 | warmi | it would be too politically incorrect for the lack of a better term |
| 19:38:08 | ljp | y anever know |
| 19:38:12 | nems | JasonNJ: You are actually from Sharp? |
| 19:38:12 | warmi | heh |
| 19:38:15 | nems | err wait |
| 19:38:17 | nems | trolltech? |
| 19:38:18 | Neo|Work | bah, games make the pda. :P |
| 19:38:28 | JasonNJ | nems: I work -at- sharp |
| 19:38:34 | warmi | nah .. games make Gameboy :-) |
| 19:38:37 | benmeyer | nems_: Jason and I work at Sharp |
| 19:38:42 | JasonNJ | I'm a consultant, I also write for Linux Magazine. |
| 19:38:43 | Neo|Work | gameboy sucks. :P |
| 19:38:55 | ljp | noo.. audio programs make the pda |
| 19:38:55 | nems | Ah.. cool. I wasn't aware. |
| 19:38:55 | warmi | Diary's and notepads make PDAs ( or so it my new hope they do ) |
| 19:38:56 | warmi | ehe |
| 19:39:07 | warmi | lol |
| 19:39:11 | Neo|Work | apparently tkc makes Z |
| 19:39:18 | ljp | ha.. |
| 19:39:26 | JasonNJ | warmi your notepad app looks interesting |
| 19:39:27 | nems | I love the fact that you guys aren't like palm... i.e. "Here's some hardware... if you have problems.. so what." |
| 19:39:33 | ljp | streaming audio programs make the pda |
| 19:39:42 | warmi | JasonNJ: yeah, I am trying to make it a killer appf or the Zaurus |
| 19:39:48 | warmi | heh |
| 19:40:04 | JasonNJ | yeah we need a better memopad for sure |
| 19:40:28 | warmi | this one supports everything .. colors, fonts, embedded, in place editable graphics etc .. |
| 19:40:35 | ljp | nems: ya they're like "here's some programs.. if you have problems.. fix it yourself" |
| 19:40:37 | warmi | still working on it though |
| 19:40:44 | nems | ljp: Exactly.. ;p |
| 19:40:52 | nems | JasonNJ : Definitely. :) |
| 19:41:42 | warmi | I am actually planning to make it sort of like diary/super-notepad .. with notes being stored locally in the database and searchable based on date or categories etc .. |
| 19:41:51 | warmi | of course it would be possible to export it |
| 19:42:27 | warmi | Neo|Work: tkc apps are OK |
| 19:42:38 | warmi | I like their look a lot |
| 19:42:45 | Neo|Work | ...looking at sales I mean :P |
| 19:42:52 | Neo|Work | they rather dominate handango |
| 19:42:54 | warmi | but , again, I am Windows junkie so it is not suprising |
| 19:43:32 | ljp | I dont like tkc's look.. its non conforming to the qtopia standard |
| 19:43:45 | warmi | you know what .. if they price it at $9 box for things like addressbook etc .. then no wonder people are buying it |
| 19:43:59 | kergoth | tkc should've released their style independently for use with qtopia, and then made the apps conform to qtopia standard |
| 19:44:00 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:44:24 | warmi | I actually asked BB if they were planning to sell their style as a separate library . |
| 19:44:44 | warmi | it might not conform to Qtopia look and feel but it surely looks cool |
| 19:44:57 | ljp | I dont like brown |
| 19:45:01 | nems | hehe |
| 19:45:16 | treke_ | warmi : It looks odd when the rest of your apps are dark blue |
| 19:45:33 | kergoth | ugh that was a bitch of a call |
| 19:45:38 | ljp | hehehe |
| 19:45:41 | warmi | well, perhaps they should modify it to at least match the current color |
| 19:45:51 | kergoth | yes, i was talking to max about that |
| 19:45:52 | ljp | "how to I reset the CMOS?" |
| 19:46:02 | kergoth | it doesnt support color schemes other than its default.. i tried |
| 19:46:14 | treke_ | or at least some kind of hidden prefernces option to disable their theme |
| 19:46:22 | treke_ | They wouldnt even have to make it easy to find |
| 19:46:27 | warmi | but then again ... so does my Puzz-le .. it supports only black :-)) |
| 19:46:30 | kergoth | max sent me the code to their style to include in opie on openzaurus if i'd give tkc credit and stuff |
| 19:46:41 | numatrix | Anybody know how to fix the annoying issue of line-wraps screwing up in the terminal when backspacing lines? |
| 19:46:44 | kergoth | puzz-le is nice though. games dont count |
| 19:47:00 | treke_ | yeah, games are another story :) |
| 19:47:02 | kergoth | yeah |
| 19:47:04 | warmi | yeah, I know .. games can generally get away with unussual look |
| 19:47:09 | kergoth | i bought puzzle and tkcmahjongg the other day |
| 19:47:18 | ljp | ya cause gamers are goofy |
| 19:47:20 | Neo|Work | warmi: most game has to really |
| 19:47:20 | warmi | yeah, I have noticed :-) |
| 19:48:29 | nems | numatrix : I'm not sure.. I have problems with that in linux sometimes too to be honest. |
| 19:48:38 | nems | ljp: gamers? Goofy? Psssht. *Snicker* |
| 19:49:24 | ljp | hehehe yep |
| 19:49:38 | warmi | btw .. in Zdiary there is not a single image being loaded excpet small 256 color image for shading .. everything is generated on the fly, including drop shadows etc ... I will release class with all kinds of functions to do this kind of funky stuff |
| 19:49:57 | treke_ | nifty |
| 19:50:54 | kergoth | warmi: nice |
| 19:51:06 | kergoth | warmi: so the opposite of the windows xp approach then :-) |
| 19:51:13 | | it has been said that cc is Candy Cruncher or beta demo download at http://eongames.com/downloads/CandyCruncher_1.50_arm.ipk or note that CC beta download needs libSDL from http://eongames.com/downloads/feed/ to be installed |
| 19:51:13 | Neo|Work | ibot: cc |
| 19:51:13 | ljp | micro font doesn't look so good on tkceditor |
| 19:51:17 | Neo|Work | go test! :P |
| 19:51:30 | kergoth | Neo|Work: i'll reflash my Z then test it.. its unbootable atm |
| 19:51:49 | warmi | kergoth: well, you cannot afford having themes based on image if you want to have 30 of them |
| 19:52:02 | nems | What is CC? |
| 19:52:07 | treke_ | candy cruncher |
| 19:52:12 | nems | I saw that.. but what IS it? :) |
| 19:52:13 | treke_ | kick ass game |
| 19:52:15 | nems | Ah |
| 19:52:20 | nems | I'll have to grab it once I get home. |
| 19:52:24 | Neo|Work | http://www.pyrogon.com/games/candycruncher/index.php |
| 19:52:28 | nems | Freakin USB doesnt work on this machine at work. :p |
| 19:52:35 | Neo|Work | it's not updated for PDA versions yet but.. |
| 19:52:45 | treke_ | http://www.pyrogon.com/games/candycruncher/index.php |
| 19:52:53 | warmi | I really like the graphics in CC |
| 19:52:54 | nems | aww... |
| 19:53:02 | warmi | it is well ... should I say "cute" ? |
| 19:53:04 | warmi | hehe |
| 19:53:46 | Neo|Work | v 1.50 which will be released for all platforms is much nicer than the versions available now |
| 19:54:06 | Neo|Work | more candy types etc (i.e higher upper limit in difficulty) |
| 19:54:28 | warmi | hey Neo: have you seen these other games Pyrogon is working on ? |
| 19:54:30 | nems | I need to call the store and see if they have hte C book I was recommended to get. |
| 19:55:43 | ljp | kergoth: what file had audio_write in it? |
| 19:55:51 | Neo|Work | warmi: I've seen what there is to see. Another game is being released soon which is not on the webpage |
| 19:56:12 | warmi | Archipelago ? |
| 19:56:21 | warmi | oh , not on their webpage |
| 19:56:24 | Neo|Work | right |
| 19:56:35 | warmi | are you gonna port it ? |
| 19:56:49 | Neo|Work | already ported to Linux, might do a Zaurus version for my own use |
| 19:56:59 | Neo|Work | which even might be given away for free . :P |
| 19:57:10 | Neo|Work | the Z version that is |
| 19:57:16 | warmi | well, one thing for sure, Pyrogon has kick ass graphic guy/gall |
| 19:57:35 | Neo|Work | Rosie. :P |
| 19:58:13 | Neo|Work | and she does some pretty amazing work indeed. :) |
| 19:58:14 | warmi | yeah |
| 19:58:44 | warmi | looks like there are two people working there - President and vice-President |
| 19:58:46 | warmi | hehe |
| 19:59:12 | Neo|Work | that'd be correct |
| 19:59:18 | Neo|Work | not counting me and Ryan. :P |
| 19:59:26 | Neo|Work | but we don't exactly "work there" either so |
| 19:59:33 | warmi | yeah, but you are not exactly on their payroll |
| 19:59:47 | treke_ | doesnt sound like they have much of a payroll :) |
| 19:59:48 | warmi | do you know how well does CC sell for PPC or Palm devices ? |
| 20:00:19 | Neo|Work | warmi: there is no PalmOS version and the PPC version isn't out yet either |
| 20:00:50 | Neo|Work | I might do a PalmOS port but it would be more of a rewrite than a port, so.. |
| 20:01:08 | Neo|Work | they have a nice cross-platform framework but PalmOS is... different |
| 20:01:14 | Neo|Work | and it's so damn annoying to work with |
| 20:01:35 | warmi | heh .. I was thinking about porting Puzz-le to PPC but I dread going back to Win32 |
| 20:01:48 | warmi | I mean, after tasting Qt it would be painfull |
| 20:02:13 | Neo|Work | does it depend a lot on PPC? |
| 20:02:38 | warmi | I am not sure what you mean |
| 20:02:50 | Neo|Work | oop |
| 20:02:54 | Neo|Work | s/PPC/Qt/ |
| 20:02:59 | Neo|Work | make more sense now? |
| 20:03:09 | Neo|Work | Like Eligo for Z is married to Qt (unfortunately) |
| 20:03:12 | warmi | yeah, it depends a lot on Qts collection classes |
| 20:03:28 | Neo|Work | that's not _too_ bad I guess |
| 20:03:36 | Neo|Work | can always convert those to STL or so |
| 20:03:37 | warmi | I guess I could use STL but Qt is so much leaner and generally nicer to work with |
| 20:03:56 | treke_ | is stl even available on the Z? |
| 20:04:14 | Neo|Work | treke_: sure, you just need to link with stdc++ or so |
| 20:04:23 | Neo|Work | it's not available per default |
| 20:04:43 | Neo|Work | I really need someone to do gfx for my next game |
| 20:05:19 | warmi | Neo|Work: anyway .. the source code for Puzz-le is availble .. you can port it to PalmOS or PPC and even make money on it |
| 20:05:20 | warmi | hehe |
| 20:05:25 | Neo|Work | heh |
| 20:05:36 | Neo|Work | PalmOS: well, perhaps. PPC: no way in hell. :-) |
| 20:05:54 | Neo|Work | but that said, PalmOS feels very limiting and yucky after Qt/Zaurus with Linux |
| 20:06:10 | warmi | actually Puzz-le depends for everything on Qt but porting graphics and windowing code is very easy |
| 20:06:37 | warmi | all Windowing systems operate on very similar principles |
| 20:06:39 | Neo|Work | secret game separates game logic from drawing code |
| 20:07:18 | Neo|Work | it's not generelized (i.e having my own drawing library or anything) so it's not perfect but it allows an easyish palmos port at least |
| 20:08:10 | warmi | yeah, the one thing I am worried is collection classes for say Palm OS .. I understand they still use C |
| 20:08:32 | warmi | and developing good and well tested set of collection classes ( of functions) is no easy task |
| 20:08:42 | warmi | of > or |
| 20:09:18 | Neo|Work | Palm is C |
| 20:09:23 | Neo|Work | although you can of course use C++ |
| 20:09:26 | Neo|Work | all API's are C |
| 20:09:57 | warmi | yeah, I remeber reading introductory article to programming on Palm and all can I say is that it was weird stuff |
| 20:10:44 | warmi | not as weird as , say BeOS code where each window got its own thread etc .. but it was strange |
| 20:11:41 | ljp | misses his BeOS |
| 20:12:43 | warmi | NeoWork: what is your next game ? |
| 20:12:44 | Neo|Work | it's... different |
| 20:12:51 | Neo|Work | warmi: not announced. :P |
| 20:12:51 | warmi | the one you need gfx for ? |
| 20:12:56 | warmi | heh |
| 20:13:01 | Neo|Work | a clone of a game by someone that hangs around here now and then |
| 20:13:11 | warmi | hehehe |
| 20:13:15 | warmi | whardier ? |
| 20:13:38 | warmi | man .. you are picking up ljps habits |
| 20:13:44 | warmi | heh |
| 20:14:22 | warmi | Neo|Work: you should do Bejeweled clone .. that would sure sell well |
| 20:14:35 | warmi | probably even beat tkc apps |
| 20:14:36 | ljp | yes! just add -lclonelib |
| 20:14:37 | Neo|Work | possibly. however it's not as easy as it seems. :P |
| 20:14:56 | Neo|Work | and the puzzle market is still probably smaller on the Z than the "useful apps" market |
| 20:15:17 | warmi | yeah but Bejeweled is different |
| 20:15:25 | warmi | everyone knows about that game :-) |
| 20:15:43 | warmi | btw .. there is a guy porting vexed to Qtopia |
| 20:15:53 | ljp | whats bejeweled? does that have something to do with the singer Jewel? |
| 20:16:08 | warmi | lol |
| 20:16:11 | ljp | ya I'd like to bejeweld |
| 20:16:19 | Neo|Work | hehe |
| 20:16:49 | warmi | man I am so behind with all this stuff .. |
| 20:16:56 | warmi | Zchess ,, asm code, Zdiary |
| 20:17:05 | warmi | and yet I am sitting here wasting my time |
| 20:19:05 | benmeyer | http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/checklist.shtml |
| 20:19:09 | benmeyer | Good, bad? |
| 20:19:12 | benmeyer | Comments please |
| 20:20:22 | warmi | "Only 1 entry show up in the uninstall list after the application is installed. " what would cause ipkg to show 2 entries ? |
| 20:20:37 | benmeyer | or 10 |
| 20:20:39 | benmeyer | no clue |
| 20:20:42 | benmeyer | but some apps do |
| 20:20:44 | benmeyer | :-) |
| 20:20:46 | warmi | hehe |
| 20:20:51 | warmi | another ipkgs mystery |
| 20:20:51 | benmeyer | bad packaging |
| 20:20:58 | benmeyer | i.e. don't do it yourself |
| 20:21:03 | benmeyer | use the script everyone does |
| 20:21:27 | treke_ | wondes how many of these items tkc violates |
| 20:21:44 | ljp | warmi: make sure there's no magnetic vortexes swirling about.... |
| 20:22:04 | warmi | well, for all we know it might very well be it |
| 20:22:06 | warmi | heh |
| 20:22:21 | benmeyer | I am going to make a new feed of approved apps |
| 20:22:32 | benmeyer | apps that meet this list |
| 20:22:36 | warmi | "approved" heheh |
| 20:22:43 | JasonNJ | thats gonna be a short list |
| 20:22:50 | benmeyer | Yup |
| 20:22:53 | warmi | lol |
| 20:22:55 | benmeyer | But it will grow in time |
| 20:23:02 | warmi | does puzz-le violate any of these rules ? |
| 20:23:10 | benmeyer | An attempt to get developers to put out a little bit better apps |
| 20:23:16 | benmeyer | not that I know |
| 20:23:27 | warmi | well, puzzle is a game so , as you said, it is different |
| 20:23:31 | warmi | but you are rigth ... |
| 20:23:31 | benmeyer | yah |
| 20:23:41 | benmeyer | games are really the only one who can break that rule |
| 20:23:51 | benmeyer | themes that is |
| 20:23:59 | warmi | I didn't even know there was something like QPEMenu |
| 20:24:07 | warmi | just going on my old Qt habits :-) |
| 20:24:24 | benmeyer | yah, well you don't have any menus right? |
| 20:24:37 | warmi | yeah, I do ... i ZCheckers and Zchess |
| 20:24:42 | warmi | I will have to look into that |
| 20:24:50 | warmi | especially for ZChess |
| 20:24:55 | benmeyer | ah then changing that would be good |
| 20:25:04 | warmi | btw .. mark is working on Knights another version of chess board |
| 20:25:15 | warmi | we have agreed to share same format for engines |
| 20:25:25 | ljp | personally I dont agree with item #3: Application doesn't allow for system navigation |
| 20:25:25 | benmeyer | Sounds good |
| 20:25:33 | benmeyer | why? |
| 20:25:35 | warmi | basically each engine would be availble as a separate ipkg ... say gnuchess.ipkg phalanx.ipkg etc |
| 20:26:08 | ljp | well.. for ME, anyway.. but for your joe corporate type thats fine.. sure. |
| 20:26:11 | warmi | ac tually I found out that system navigation generally doesn't make sense unless the app was specifically designed to do just that |
| 20:26:13 | benmeyer | Unless they are geared to developers there is no reason for the ability to browse /etc/ for example |
| 20:26:29 | benmeyer | i.e. gallary shouldn't |
| 20:26:49 | ljp | so a texteditor should be able to find files other than what shows up in Documents? |
| 20:26:53 | warmi | the best way is to have custom file dialog or so that recognizes your own format and , possible other formats, your app can use |
| 20:27:15 | ljp | shouldn't I mean |
| 20:27:33 | benmeyer | Depends on the text editor |
| 20:27:43 | benmeyer | a coding text editor can browse, but the default one can't |
| 20:27:44 | warmi | well, theoretically standard text editor should not |
| 20:28:14 | warmi | but Qtopia has so many bugs and many workarounds include going around and modifying various text files etc |
| 20:28:54 | warmi | ljp .. you are using vi anyway so why would you care :-) ? |
| 20:29:29 | treke_ | I prefer having some kind of fs navigation, since the Document mode is impracticle to organize ( at least to me) |
| 20:29:32 | ljp | hehhe I dont use vi.. if I find myself in vi.. I usually reboot.. to keep the memory bytes _clean_ ;) |
| 20:29:47 | warmi | hehe |
| 20:29:57 | warmi | there you go ... just like me |
| 20:30:11 | warmi | I only use vi when there is absolutely nothing else available |
| 20:30:36 | treke_ | although I wouldnt be adverse to limiting it to some form of Documents directory under your home directory &unless in a tool tht it designed around the whole fs) |
| 20:30:42 | benmeyer | treke_ as horible as Document tab is, it _is_ what the Zaurus has. |
| 20:31:02 | treke_ | benmeyer : sadly, yes |
| 20:31:04 | warmi | I have this long standing fear of vi which I developed when I tried to quit vi first time around and couldn't figure out how to do it |
| 20:31:19 | benmeyer | haha |
| 20:31:25 | treke_ | ha |
| 20:31:27 | benmeyer | http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/system_layout.shtml |
| 20:31:30 | benmeyer | Added that one |
| 20:31:34 | ljp | I kinda like the Documents tab.. but it needs some work, and selective dir scanning |
| 20:31:47 | warmi | this is a great set of howtos you developed |
| 20:31:49 | warmi | good job |
| 20:32:22 | kergoth | re |
| 20:32:23 | treke_ | benmeyer : I could see an app using a seperate directory for storage and then creating .desktop files for the documents tab |
| 20:32:48 | ljp | I guess I'd nee d to hang around non developers to see the benefits of not having fs navigation |
| 20:33:00 | warmi | hehe |
| 20:33:10 | warmi | that's precisely your problem ljp :-) |
| 20:33:15 | ljp | hehehe |
| 20:33:17 | warmi | you need to think more like a user |
| 20:33:29 | ljp | hmmmm.... |
| 20:33:36 | dc_ | users.. |
| 20:33:48 | warmi | see , I have a wife to keep me humble .. |
| 20:33:51 | kergoth | I deal with wayyy too many users on a daily basis myself |
| 20:33:55 | ljp | ok.. so I get really drunk some night and start using my Z to see how a normal user might use it |
| 20:34:13 | warmi | If I come up with some outragous solution , she will imidiately point it out to me ... |
| 20:34:19 | kergoth | ljp: not good enough. i've used my Z drunk and I do pretty well. hehe |
| 20:34:21 | treke_ | think like a user? that seems like an oxymoron |
| 20:34:38 | dc_ | treke_: hehe, yeah |
| 20:35:02 | warmi | ias this me or do I sense unusualy high concetration of tech support folks here |
| 20:35:05 | ljp | the trouble is.. I write software mostly to appease myself |
| 20:35:35 | kergoth | yep, we're just selfish bastards |
| 20:35:42 | warmi | heh |
| 20:36:00 | ljp | starts searching for a dumb blonde to do some Z experiments on.... |
| 20:36:13 | kergoth | s/Z //; |
| 20:36:33 | ljp | kergoth: what file was audio_write in? |
| 20:36:39 | warmi | the problem is .. you don't want a dumb blonde heh |
| 20:36:54 | kergoth | ljp: collie_tc35143.c in drivers/sound/ |
| 20:36:55 | treke_ | s/Z .*// |
| 20:37:00 | ljp | ya I do.. for just for a night or two |
| 20:37:05 | kergoth | treke_: hah |
| 20:38:26 | kergoth | what the hell is a m62332 |
| 20:38:29 | kergoth | googles |
| 20:38:34 | warmi | man .. converting TTF fonts into QPF is not exactly straightforward process at this point |
| 20:38:41 | warmi | but at least we have howto for that |
| 20:39:22 | kergoth | hmm |
| 20:39:24 | kergoth | Mitsubishi’s M62332, M62333 and M62334 series incorporate I2C-bus serial data transfer and either two, three or four channels respectively of built-in DACs. Inputs to these devices are via two-wire serial digital data transfer, for easy MCU connection with minimal wiring. A complementary range of three devices (M62337, M62338 and M62339) offer identical performance, but with a different I2C slave address. |
| 20:39:47 | kergoth | any idea what the Z is using that as a DAC for? |
| 20:39:50 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:39:55 | kergoth | oh |
| 20:40:03 | kergoth | shouldve referenced the block diagram |
| 20:40:07 | ljp | kergoth: what kernel source? |
| 20:40:11 | kergoth | uses it for control of the LCD Power.. turning it on and off. |
| 20:40:14 | kergoth | ljp: ? |
| 20:41:37 | ljp | source from Sharp? |
| 20:41:53 | | mspin was last seen on #zaurus 4 hours, 45 minutes and 31 seconds ago, saying: kergoth: I just looked at the block diagram for another SA board I have here [Thu May 23 16:56:22 2002] |
| 20:41:53 | nems_ | ibot, seen mspin? |
| 20:41:55 | nems_ | Hrm. |
| 20:41:57 | nems_ | Darnit. |
| 20:42:00 | nems_ | Ok.. |
| 20:42:05 | nems_ | ljp... can you help me with some wireless info? |
| 20:42:14 | nems_ | kicks nems |
| 20:42:34 | ljp | nems: I dont have wireless.. |
| 20:42:37 | nemui-chan | Oh. |
| 20:42:37 | kergoth | ljp: colliefb.c includes m62332 header for controlling lcd power |
| 20:42:40 | nemui-chan | I thought you did. |
| 20:42:42 | nemui-chan | Well cra. |
| 20:42:43 | nemui-chan | p. |
| 20:42:45 | kergoth | nemui-chan: what do ya need? |
| 20:42:48 | nemui-chan | I need some info... |
| 20:42:53 | kergoth | just ask the question |
| 20:42:56 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:42:57 | nemui-chan | I thought some wireless devices were devices that charged you for services... |
| 20:43:02 | nemui-chan | I think Bluetooth is that way? |
| 20:43:03 | nemui-chan | Maybe? |
| 20:43:14 | nemui-chan | i.e. like a wireless internet service, like the palm 7s? |
| 20:43:29 | kergoth | nemui-chan: you're probably thinking of sharpmobile.com |
| 20:43:31 | nemui-chan | And then some devices are wireless that connect directly to an access point to get internet stuff... |
| 20:43:35 | ljp | kergoth: my sharp kernel sources dont have collie_tc35143.c |
| 20:43:55 | kergoth | ljp: errr.. you're using hte kenrel sources from the 1.1x kernel right? not the 1.02 sources.. |
| 20:44:35 | nemui-chan | kergoth : Is that the only wireless device that does that? I thought there were like a bzillion of 'em? |
| 20:44:40 | ljp | I thought so.. I'll check at home where all my real stuff is |
| 20:44:46 | nemui-chan | That does it for the sharp I mean.. I know there's tons for other pda's / laptops. |
| 20:45:14 | kergoth | nemui-chan: dont know, myself. I'm only learning this wireless shit myself recently. heh |
| 20:45:17 | nemui-chan | heh |
| 20:45:19 | kergoth | ljp: cool |
| 20:45:21 | nemui-chan | Hmm. |
| 20:45:36 | kergoth | #ifdef CONFIG_COLLIE_TR0 |
| 20:45:39 | kergoth | wonder what that is |
| 20:45:54 | nemui-chan | mod_lassie |
| 20:46:10 | warmi | you don't now kergoth ? it is COLLIE TRO configuration setting |
| 20:46:13 | warmi | heh |
| 20:46:28 | kergoth | warmi: thats so very helpful. thanks. :-P |
| 20:46:43 | warmi | hehe |
| 20:47:02 | nemui-chan | Hrmm. |
| 20:47:11 | kergoth | I'm disabling the collie boot logo for the moment |
| 20:47:14 | nemui-chan | So bluetooth is wireless short range.. i.e. access point. I think. |
| 20:47:34 | warmi | nemui-chan: sharpmobile is supposedly worthless .. at least at this beta stage |
| 20:47:42 | CloudChaser | that's too bad |
| 20:47:47 | nemui-chan | Ok |
| 20:47:55 | nemui-chan | warmi : I thought there were other devices that did the same sort of thing... |
| 20:47:55 | kergoth | didnt the modem fuck up peanut's Z? |
| 20:47:59 | CloudChaser | i was really looking forwarrd to having wireless internet |
| 20:48:24 | warmi | Claud: keep it mind it was a beta program |
| 20:48:54 | CloudChaser | i know |
| 20:49:01 | warmi | hopefully , they will eventually release something better |
| 20:49:02 | nemui-chan | Well... Beta is great... but screwin up someone's hardware with 'beta' stuff is kind of wrong. :) Thats alpha. |
| 20:49:19 | nemui-chan | Its not opensource either, which is fairly stupid on their part. |
| 20:50:00 | warmi | Cloud: it does work but transfer rates are abysmal and included modem doesn't work all that well |
| 20:50:19 | CloudChaser | nods |
| 20:50:21 | nemui-chan | I'm lost. |
| 20:50:22 | CloudChaser | i read about it... |
| 20:50:26 | warmi | again, I have never tried that myself just going on what I read on the net |
| 20:50:26 | nemui-chan | Is bluetooth purely shortrange? |
| 20:50:30 | CloudChaser | isn't there any other option for it though? |
| 20:50:38 | nemui-chan | Or are the new palms and the old palm 7s both bluetooth? And the sharpmobile device? |
| 20:50:50 | warmi | Cloud: beats me |
| 20:50:57 | CloudChaser | i think bluetooth is high-speed short range? |
| 20:51:10 | CloudChaser | 802.11 has better range but slower |
| 20:51:10 | nemui-chan | Then what is the longrange stuff like the palm 7's and sharpmobile stuff called? |
| 20:51:22 | warmi | I would love to be able waste my time on this channel while I am on the train instead during work hours .. |
| 20:51:24 | nemui-chan | 802.11 is NOT bluetooth? And it is the long range stuff that you pay for? |
| 20:51:28 | nemui-chan | lol warmi |
| 20:51:44 | CloudChaser | hehe same here warmi |
| 20:51:45 | kergoth | nemui-chan: you dont pay foreither 802.11 or bluetooth, they're technologies, not services. |
| 20:51:52 | warmi | but , at this point , I don't want to shell out $40 a month for something that barely works |
| 20:51:59 | nemui-chan | Sorry.. I understand that but don't communicate my thoughts very well. :) |
| 20:52:13 | nemui-chan | 802.11 is a long range service that you usually have to pay a service provider to access their long range ap's? |
| 20:52:29 | kergoth | nemui-chan: personally i have APs at work, and i bought one for my home. i dont pay for it as a service. |
| 20:52:36 | nemui-chan | Hrm. |
| 20:52:47 | CloudChaser | i read how to make a rooftop antenna for wireless out of a pringles can ;) |
| 20:52:53 | nemui-chan | Thats not helpful. ;) |
| 20:52:55 | CloudChaser | hehe |
| 20:52:59 | nemui-chan | Whats the long range stuff called? |
| 20:53:09 | kergoth | nemui-chan: and 'long range' in the context of 802.11 is about the length of half a building, without some form of amplification as i understand. |
| 20:53:11 | nemui-chan | That the new palms and sharpmobile (I assume) use? Is that 802.11 as well? |
| 20:53:16 | nemui-chan | Ok.. |
| 20:53:21 | warmi | this stuff is like Chinesse to me .. |
| 20:53:26 | nemui-chan | Palm VII's and there new one from what I understand work in like... every major city. |
| 20:53:32 | kergoth | nemui-chan: sharpmobile using a modem of some kind, i dont know what technology underlies the service. |
| 20:53:33 | nemui-chan | warmi : you and me both man |
| 20:53:42 | benmeyer | kergoth: do you have scripts to make ipks of Opera, etc from the Zaurus |
| 20:53:42 | benmeyer | ? |
| 20:53:50 | nemui-chan | ok.. I'm just trying to figure out what to do... |
| 20:53:51 | ]DrEvil[ | palm.net uses cdpd |
| 20:53:56 | nemui-chan | I dont have AP's at work, and dont have the cash to buy two :) |
| 20:53:58 | kergoth | benmeyer: yes. I have a perl script that tears aapart the rom and creates ipks for everything. |
| 20:54:12 | kergoth | benmeyer: I havent touched it in months though.. who knows what condition its in |
| 20:54:22 | benmeyer | Can you send it to me? |
| 20:54:29 | kergoth | its in openzaurus cvs |
| 20:54:31 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:54:36 | CloudChaser | i think the dfferences are the frequencies at which they operate? |
| 20:54:45 | warmi | hehe .. yeah, old code tends to rot .. perl code in particular |
| 20:54:46 | kergoth | iirc bin/ipkg_to_rom .. it uses a file in sources/ as well for the file->package mapping |
| 20:54:49 | benmeyer | I want to make little apps that will make ipks in the Documents dir so before going to OpenZ people can rip Opera, Java etc |
| 20:54:59 | ljp | ya.. probably has byte moths |
| 20:55:01 | nemui-chan | Cloud: But currently it doesnt seem that anything for linux does that? |
| 20:55:07 | nemui-chan | lol |
| 20:55:15 | kergoth | benmeyer: you dont need to run it on the Z... the buildsystem will download the rom, split it apart, mount it, and create ipks. heh |
| 20:55:25 | kergoth | benmeyer: could do it on the Z though, but I didnt design it that way. i should look at it again |
| 20:55:27 | nemui-chan | I need to download doom for the Z still. |
| 20:55:39 | benmeyer | Yah so then you don't need to have Linux et |
| 20:55:44 | kergoth | yeah |
| 20:55:48 | kergoth | like i said its in cvs |
| 20:55:52 | kergoth | buildroot-oz module |
| 20:55:59 | nemui-chan | Hm. |
| 20:56:07 | benmeyer | ipkg_to_rom? |
| 20:56:09 | nemui-chan | So in reality... I'm going to need an access point for home and for work ;p |
| 20:56:14 | kergoth | yeah something like that ben |
| 20:56:17 | kergoth | i dont recall exactly |
| 20:56:19 | kergoth | its ther ethough |
| 20:56:22 | benmeyer | qpe-reorgfiles |
| 20:56:35 | warmi | nemui-chan: hehehe .. we talking here $200 |
| 20:56:53 | nemui-chan | warmi : PLUs the freakin' card. :( |
| 20:56:58 | warmi | yeah |
| 20:57:01 | nemui-chan | Bleh. |
| 20:57:03 | nemui-chan | Sucky. |
| 20:57:07 | kergoth | qpe-reorgfiles is something from TT, dunno what its for. something relating to Documents and shit |
| 20:57:14 | nemui-chan | I should just get a CF ethernet card. |
| 20:57:22 | kergoth | we just set up a new AP in the cube next to mine.. |
| 20:57:23 | warmi | yeah, that's what I use |
| 20:57:24 | kergoth | great connection |
| 20:57:25 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:57:39 | warmi | it won't let you browse the internet from your bathroom |
| 20:57:40 | nemui-chan | kergoth : I wish I still had some... We used to have them setup all over our apartment when I worked for Amazon. |
| 20:57:44 | warmi | but it is cheap |
| 20:57:46 | kergoth | ah |
| 20:57:52 | nemui-chan | warmi : It will if you have a REALLY long cord :) |
| 20:58:01 | kergoth | shit I almost fucked up the fb driver.. nearly forgot something |
| 20:58:03 | kergoth | oops |
| 20:58:08 | warmi | heheh |
| 20:58:20 | warmi | or if you install "acced point" inside |
| 20:58:24 | warmi | access |
| 20:59:07 | nemui-chan | Bleh. |
| 20:59:10 | nemui-chan | bleh bleh bleh. |
| 20:59:19 | benmeyer | kergoth: were is the script? |
| 20:59:25 | benmeyer | I just did an update and it isn't in bin |
| 20:59:55 | nemui-chan | so to get the setup I really want, it'd be about 360 bucks. :p |
| 21:00:21 | warmi | yeah, nobody said that being able to chat from bathroom at home and at work will be cheap |
| 21:00:45 | nemui-chan | I gotta run.. my wife is being a freak. ;) |
| 21:00:50 | nemui-chan | I gotta go shoppin. heh |
| 21:00:58 | nemui-chan | I think i'm gonna have to pass on ap's for now.. i dunno.. I'll think about it ;) |
| 21:01:24 | ljp | happy shopping! |
| 21:02:58 | warmi | shoping with his wife ... hmm .. there goes his wireless network |
| 21:02:59 | warmi | heeh |
| 21:04:11 | ljp | no, they have wireless networked fridges |
| 21:04:48 | warmi | ljp: have you tried to browse the web with Opera on your Zaurus ? |
| 21:05:11 | CloudChaser | i have |
| 21:05:20 | warmi | and ?? |
| 21:05:26 | warmi | personally, I think it sucks |
| 21:05:28 | warmi | hehe |
| 21:05:37 | CloudChaser | its ok.. some sites are just too small |
| 21:05:38 | CloudChaser | the type |
| 21:05:43 | CloudChaser | lot of scrolling |
| 21:05:54 | CloudChaser | but..in a pinch or on the road it would do the trick |
| 21:05:56 | warmi | not that Opera is particulary bad browser but www just dosn't work well on 320x240 |
| 21:06:04 | CloudChaser | right |
| 21:06:16 | CloudChaser | one thing i would reallly use it for if it worked is mapquest |
| 21:06:33 | CloudChaser | but to download to pda they use avantgo |
| 21:07:17 | warmi | yeah, on the road or on the train, it beats staring at the wall :-) |
| 21:07:21 | CloudChaser | i used to save alot of web pages for reference on my hp but...no easy way to do that now |
| 21:07:39 | CloudChaser | pdf's just don't do it on pda |
| 21:07:39 | warmi | how about yahoo maps |
| 21:07:49 | CloudChaser | so html pages work better |
| 21:07:52 | warmi | does it work on the Zaurus any better than mapquest ? |
| 21:08:10 | CloudChaser | haven't tried that..i will though |
| 21:08:26 | warmi | btw .. what's wrong with mapquest |
| 21:08:29 | warmi | ? |
| 21:08:29 | CloudChaser | part of the problem is you can't save web pages in opera like you can in ie |
| 21:08:35 | warmi | I haven't tried it yet |
| 21:08:44 | kergoth | its just the embedded opera thats limited in that way |
| 21:08:45 | kergoth | annoying |
| 21:08:53 | CloudChaser | nothing wrong with mapquest, but the avantgo doesn't support the zaurus |
| 21:08:55 | kergoth | konq cant force a download of a file either i dont think |
| 21:09:03 | kergoth | there is a WAP browser for the Z though |
| 21:09:04 | warmi | oh ...;-) |
| 21:09:19 | CloudChaser | so if you pick the save directions to pda, it directs you to avantgo |
| 21:09:37 | kergoth | ugh, headache |
| 21:09:46 | CloudChaser | i did a wget on to save nyc subway map page |
| 21:09:52 | CloudChaser | got the whole nyc transit page |
| 21:09:55 | CloudChaser | ack! |
| 21:09:57 | warmi | hehe |
| 21:10:02 | CloudChaser | had to delete it all |
| 21:10:07 | warmi | well, good thing it stopped there |
| 21:10:11 | CloudChaser | hehe yeah |
| 21:10:19 | warmi | you could have end up with Chicago Metra schedule as well |
| 21:10:35 | warmi | btw.. that's what I need to download |
| 21:10:37 | CloudChaser | calls sharp sir my zaurus froze up...nyc transit stopped it cold |
| 21:11:14 | CloudChaser | they have a great page..if i could only get that 1 level with the 2 graphics connected to it |
| 21:11:29 | CloudChaser | you can zoom in and see everything for the subway |
| 21:11:42 | warmi | cool |
| 21:11:46 | CloudChaser | the pda map you can't zoom in close enough to read it |
| 21:11:55 | warmi | makes you feel less guitly about spending $500 for this device |
| 21:12:03 | CloudChaser | hehe |
| 21:12:10 | CloudChaser | if the sync was better for the z |
| 21:12:15 | CloudChaser | would be easy |
| 21:12:25 | JasonNJ | hm this new tmclock seems nice but the chose background thing doesnt work |
| 21:12:27 | CloudChaser | do a save as |
| 21:12:32 | JasonNJ | just shows you a blank screen |
| 21:13:02 | warmi | yeah, but there has been so much written about this that, I think , sharp is working on fixing sych problems |
| 21:13:27 | JasonNJ | we are spending an inordinate amount of time on sync issues right now |
| 21:13:27 | CloudChaser | my biggest issue is..you can't save folders of documents |
| 21:13:54 | JasonNJ | there will be a new intellisync and rom image for both 5000 and 5500 shortly |
| 21:14:01 | warmi | well, my biggest issue was that I could not get this thing to connect at all |
| 21:14:04 | CloudChaser | cool.. what will it do? |
| 21:14:13 | JasonNJ | Cloud: fix a lot of bugs |
| 21:14:17 | warmi | finally I got myself ethernet card and do my own syncing |
| 21:14:37 | CloudChaser | how warmi? how do you sync over ethernet? |
| 21:14:45 | ljp | JasonNJ: any word when replacement stylus will be available? |
| 21:14:47 | warmi | JasonNJ: any upgrades for Qtopia itself ? or just bug fixes ? |
| 21:15:03 | JasonNJ | bug fixes |
| 21:15:13 | warmi | Cloud: I just mount Z filesystem on my Windows or Linux box and copy files manually |
| 21:15:31 | benmeyer | Off to dinner |
| 21:15:33 | benmeyer | later |
| 21:16:04 | CloudChaser | do you have to put them in special dir? like to match the ones the sync uses? |
| 21:16:36 | warmi | sorry Cloud .. I mislead you ... I am not much of a PDA users ,.. I just meant general file copying |
| 21:16:45 | warmi | I don't sycn with Outlook or anything like that |
| 21:16:46 | warmi | -) |
| 21:17:10 | warmi | for the most part I just use it as a development device and not a true PDA |
| 21:17:14 | CloudChaser | ok on the jornada, synching translated the docs to the pda format |
| 21:17:34 | warmi | do you own PocketPC device ? |
| 21:17:56 | CloudChaser | i have a dead jornada 660 lx |
| 21:18:15 | CloudChaser | earlier wince |
| 21:18:20 | warmi | dead ? |
| 21:18:50 | CloudChaser | yep won't turn on |
| 21:18:53 | warmi | died of old age or had an accident ? |
| 21:19:19 | warmi | I am afraid to carry my Zaurus around with me |
| 21:19:22 | CloudChaser | both.. was dying, then i plugged wrong power cord into it by accident and fried it |
| 21:19:31 | warmi | this thing seems to be so fragile |
| 21:19:36 | kergoth | i broke my 5000d.. i'm really careful with the 5000 |
| 21:19:45 | kergoth | s/5000$/5500/ |
| 21:19:45 | warmi | hehe .. yeah if it is fried then it is definately dead |
| 21:20:24 | warmi | heh .. the child on that TMClock clock looks ... strange |
| 21:22:16 | CloudChaser | hp wanted 319.00 to fix it |
| 21:22:24 | warmi | heheh |
| 21:22:40 | CloudChaser | i liked the form factor but software was way outdated.. couldln't do nearly what the z could do |
| 21:22:53 | CloudChaser | but i'd kill to have a z with that form factor |
| 21:22:55 | warmi | yeah , Jornadas look cool |
| 21:23:06 | warmi | but new Sony Clie looks even better |
| 21:23:11 | warmi | at least I think it does |
| 21:23:23 | CloudChaser | nah i liked the keyboard for typing |
| 21:23:27 | kergoth | hmm |
| 21:23:32 | ljp | my z got knocked to the floor.. the lcd cover and keyboard cover fly off and it still works fine |
| 21:23:50 | warmi | you are pushing it ljp .. |
| 21:23:52 | warmi | huh |
| 21:24:02 | ljp | hehe |
| 21:24:04 | kergoth | what the heck... the sa1100fb driver doesnt allocate space for a backup of the video memory |
| 21:24:11 | kergoth | how the hell does it restore the screen on resume? |
| 21:24:18 | ljp | magic |
| 21:24:22 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:24:23 | kergoth | poof |
| 21:24:41 | warmi | kergoth: it doesn't .. it sends out system wide repaint msg |
| 21:24:42 | kergoth | k i need to stop messing around and finish this shit |
| 21:24:42 | warmi | heh |
| 21:25:00 | Twiun | rehi |
| 21:25:28 | ljp | hire |
| 21:26:18 | warmi | Cloud: take a look at this :http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/stores/detail/-/electronics/B00006484F/pictures/14/002-2995817-9865651#more-pictures |
| 21:26:36 | warmi | I like it |
| 21:28:29 | warmi | kergoth: since you are looking at gp driver .. do you know if there is any sort of hardware acceleration being present there ? |
| 21:31:01 | JasonNJ | sony has good industrial design, tht much is for certain |
| 21:31:08 | JasonNJ | problem is, its still a PALM. |
| 21:32:03 | warmi | hehe |
| 21:32:20 | kergoth | warmi: gp driver? |
| 21:32:28 | warmi | framebuffer driver |
| 21:32:29 | CloudChaser | i went to computer store today.. the guy there was trying to get linux onto palm |
| 21:32:32 | kergoth | ah |
| 21:32:39 | warmi | hehe |
| 21:32:47 | kergoth | I see no hardware acceleration |
| 21:33:10 | kergoth | it just uses the standard linux fb interface, with functions for handling suspend/resume and stuff for enabling/disabling the lcd power and hadnling the backlight |
| 21:33:18 | kergoth | s/hadnling/handling/ |
| 21:34:40 | warmi | yeah, so the code for blitting and stuff is inside of qte |
| 21:35:13 | warmi | JasonNJ: well, Palm does own BeOS so who knows .. |
| 21:35:48 | CloudChaser | i showed him my z :) he was jealous ;) |
| 21:36:04 | kergoth | warmi: yes exactly |
| 21:36:29 | Twiun | CloudChaser: hehe |
| 21:36:50 | warmi | well , be better be ... |
| 21:36:55 | warmi | he better be |
| 21:37:28 | warmi | as I said before we are not talking here about $150 palm device |
| 21:38:19 | warmi | kergoth: I was looking for that blitting code and couldn't find it anywheer |
| 21:38:28 | kergoth | warmi: hmm |
| 21:38:36 | warmi | do you know if it is a part of some sort of proprietary module |
| 21:38:39 | kergoth | ugh I need to write some LCD power on macros in the collie header. hm |
| 21:38:41 | warmi | or something like that ? |
| 21:38:45 | kergoth | warmi: not to my knowledge |
| 21:39:07 | Twiun | Argh... Slashdot peeps already bitchin' about the lack of source for Qpose |
| 21:39:09 | Twiun | sighs |
| 21:39:33 | warmi | I thought climov said he would release it |
| 21:39:37 | treke | they'll bitch about anything |
| 21:39:42 | Twiun | Binary: QPose 3.3-0.1 |
| 21:39:42 | Twiun | Source: soon |
| 21:39:52 | Twiun | looks like he hasn't updated yet ;-) |
| 21:40:11 | warmi | hehehe .. /. is designed to be place where people bitch and moan |
| 21:40:13 | Twiun | treke: True enough |
| 21:40:23 | warmi | it serves no other purpose |
| 21:41:11 | kergoth | hmm |
| 21:41:23 | warmi | I haven't tried QPose yet |
| 21:42:07 | kergoth | * LoCoMo internal I/O mappings |
| 21:42:07 | kergoth | * |
| 21:42:10 | kergoth | wtf is LoCoMo? |
| 21:42:44 | warmi | that probably comes from the same school of thought as Unix system call "creat" came from |
| 21:43:22 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:46:33 | JasonNJ | Twiun: qpose is on slashdot? |
| 21:46:34 | kergoth | arch/arm/config.in:dep_bool ' Using LoCoMo' CONFIG_LOCOMO $CONFIG_SA1100_COLLIE |
| 21:46:40 | kergoth | hm, whatever it is, its disabled for the Z |
| 21:46:50 | Twiun | JasonNJ: Yup, top story |
| 21:47:04 | kergoth | oops i'm wrong |
| 21:47:05 | JasonNJ | geez |
| 21:47:11 | kergoth | kergoth@geezer:~/buildroot-oz/build/kernel/v2.4$ cat ../../../sources/linux.conig | grep LOCOMO |
| 21:47:11 | kergoth | CONFIG_LOCOMO=y |
| 21:47:22 | JasonNJ | the problem is, qpose is rediculously slow and not really likely to get much faster |
| 21:47:34 | Twiun | JasonNJ: That's what I thought |
| 21:47:57 | warmi | climov.com is as good as dead |
| 21:47:57 | kergoth | JasonNJ: the term LoCoMo ring a bell? |
| 21:48:01 | kergoth | hmm |
| 21:48:03 | JasonNJ | maybe when we get to xscale 400 we might be able to get regular palm provmorance out of it |
| 21:48:06 | JasonNJ | locomo? no |
| 21:48:28 | kergoth | its a kernel option which is enabled.. it appears to have something to do with interfacing with a number of things |
| 21:48:37 | kergoth | but i dunno wtf it is |
| 21:48:38 | nyargh | i like things |
| 21:48:44 | warmi | JasonNJ: did climov explained why is that emulator so slow ? |
| 21:48:56 | JasonNJ | well |
| 21:48:58 | JasonNJ | yes |
| 21:49:20 | JasonNJ | cause you got to run the whole damn palm rom in emulation |
| 21:49:29 | JasonNJ | you have to emulate a 68000 in strongarm |
| 21:49:34 | JasonNJ | takes up a lot of memory |
| 21:49:49 | JasonNJ | screen writes are a problem |
| 21:49:51 | JasonNJ | a big problem |
| 21:49:51 | kergoth | same reason bochs and vmware are slow then |
| 21:49:52 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:50:05 | warmi | screen writes could always be improved |
| 21:50:15 | JasonNJ | warmi: yes, possibly. |
| 21:50:22 | warmi | but there is no easy way to fix 68000 emulation |
| 21:50:39 | JasonNJ | right now, it runs at about half speed of a m100, maybe a bit less than half |
| 21:50:55 | warmi | and m100 CPU is clocked at ??? |
| 21:51:00 | warmi | I don't remember |
| 21:51:09 | JasonNJ | 20mhz |
| 21:51:13 | JasonNJ | I think |
| 21:51:15 | warmi | oh dear |
| 21:51:45 | warmi | 10 x faster |
| 21:51:53 | warmi | something is wrong there |
| 21:51:53 | kergoth | hmm |
| 21:52:20 | JasonNJ | to be honet it may be faster to run teh actual palm apis on arm |
| 21:52:25 | JasonNJ | that is how palm is doing it |
| 21:52:34 | warmi | Win32 palm emulator runs reasonably well |
| 21:52:44 | JasonNJ | does it? |
| 21:52:51 | JasonNJ | is it full blown pose though |
| 21:52:55 | warmi | yeah |
| 21:53:02 | JasonNJ | it only does palm os 2.0 I think |
| 21:53:14 | JasonNJ | Win32 on a wince? |
| 21:53:14 | kergoth | this locomo thing is annoying me |
| 21:53:15 | kergoth | not even google can help me |
| 21:53:16 | JasonNJ | or win32 on pc |
| 21:53:17 | kergoth | grr |
| 21:53:20 | JasonNJ | win32 on pc, yes |
| 21:53:25 | warmi | I will have to compile original Pose Win32 code and see how it behaves |
| 21:53:34 | JasonNJ | but never tried it on a slow pc |
| 21:53:41 | warmi | Win32 on PC |
| 21:53:48 | JasonNJ | win32 on pc is different |
| 21:53:53 | warmi | but not on 1 Ghz cpu either |
| 21:54:07 | JasonNJ | first of all x86 architecture is cisc as is 68000 |
| 21:54:16 | JasonNJ | strongarm is risc |
| 21:54:24 | JasonNJ | so there is the endian thunking |
| 21:54:39 | warmi | there is |
| 21:54:53 | JasonNJ | its theoretically possible we could get this a bit faster, but I really dont have my hopes up |
| 21:55:02 | JasonNJ | I'd like to be proven wrong |
| 21:55:19 | warmi | well, this could be potentially very , very usefull app for the zaurus |
| 21:55:57 | kergoth | aha |
| 21:56:00 | kergoth | i found the locomo thing |
| 21:56:10 | kergoth | its the "New GA" chip on the block diagram |
| 21:56:35 | kergoth | the controller that handles the keyboard, SD slot, lcd timing, the lcd power controller (m62332), etc |
| 21:56:44 | kergoth | comprehension is good. |
| 21:57:06 | JasonNJ | http://www.pocketnow.com/html/news/articles.7.1i318c.pocketpalm.html |
| 21:57:08 | JasonNJ | hmm. |
| 21:57:13 | JasonNJ | well maybe there is some hope. |
| 21:57:19 | kergoth | so fyi to all.. DONT disable locomo support in your kernels. hehe |
| 21:57:23 | JasonNJ | apparently there is one for pocketpc that runs decently |
| 21:57:43 | JasonNJ | ah. |
| 21:57:50 | JasonNJ | pocketpc cant run os3 or os4 roms |
| 21:58:13 | warmi | yeah, it is not as fast as the original but usable according to that guy |
| 21:58:21 | Twiun | anyone got Neo's doom links handy? |
| 21:58:29 | | somebody said doom was not working yet, see ftp://ftp.sonic.net/pub/users/nbs/unix/zaurus/doom/ |
| 21:58:29 | warmi | ibot: doom |
| 21:58:52 | Twiun | nope... not that one ;-) |
| 21:58:58 | Twiun | that's kendrick's |
| 21:59:07 | warmi | well, we got to have Climov release the source code and maybe there is something we can do |
| 21:59:07 | JasonNJ | mailto:info@kodeness.com |
| 21:59:12 | warmi | at least we can try |
| 21:59:13 | JasonNJ | thats teh dude that wrote teh ppc one |
| 21:59:25 | JasonNJ | we could try to glean how he got it to run faster |
| 21:59:47 | JasonNJ | catalin is a pretty serious programmer but I think it would be nice if he opensoruced it |
| 21:59:56 | warmi | I am sure he started from the same source code , namely original Wni32 Pose |
| 21:59:58 | JasonNJ | then the community could try to improve it as a whole |
| 22:00:10 | JasonNJ | actually he started from teh unix base |
| 22:00:12 | | OK, Neo|Work. |
| 22:00:12 | Neo|Work | ibot no doom is http://david.hedbor.org/tmp/prboom-test.tar.bz2 (uncompress on CF/SD card and run ./prboom -height 240) - needs libSDL from http://eongames.com/downloads/feed/ and libSDL_net from http://david.hedbor.org/tmp/libSDL_net.tar.gz (uncompress in /) |
| 22:00:24 | Twiun | Thanks Neo ;-) |
| 22:00:32 | warmi | you mean XPose ? |
| 22:00:51 | Neo|Work | no. Pose |
| 22:00:55 | Neo|Work | it's multi-platform |
| 22:01:03 | JasonNJ | hm article was written in june of 01 |
| 22:01:21 | warmi | well, I have original Pose code but it was written for Win32 |
| 22:01:38 | Neo|Work | no |
| 22:01:43 | warmi | itt's even in form of Visual C++ project |
| 22:01:47 | JasonNJ | http://www.kodeness.com/ |
| 22:01:49 | Neo|Work | it has a win32 version yes |
| 22:01:52 | JasonNJ | thats teh current version |
| 22:01:59 | JasonNJ | as of february 02 |
| 22:02:24 | JasonNJ | wait it might be may 02 |
| 22:02:27 | JasonNJ | reversed date |
| 22:02:31 | JasonNJ | hes in germany |
| 22:03:24 | JasonNJ | he supports up to 0S 3.5 |
| 22:03:34 | JasonNJ | qpose supports the current roms |
| 22:03:34 | Neo|Work | there is really just one way to write dates. YYYY-MM-DD |
| 22:03:45 | Neo|Work | anything else is broken. :) |
| 22:04:00 | warmi | no .. DD -MM - YYYY |
| 22:04:17 | warmi | that's what I am used to |
| 22:04:19 | treke | YYYY-MM-DD confuses people to much around here |
| 22:04:25 | JasonNJ | hmm I wonder if SDL could be used to improve sceeen write performance |
| 22:04:51 | Neo|Work | nah, SDL just adds an extra layer |
| 22:05:03 | Neo|Work | I hope qpose does direct framebuffer blitting |
| 22:05:07 | warmi | frankly, there is no need to SDL but to look at that , most likely, single blit routine that transfers internal buffer to the Z screen |
| 22:05:12 | treke | ~~~~~~~~~~\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ |
| 22:05:19 | Neo|Work | I mean, it takes some 7-8 ms to do a full screen blit with rotation |
| 22:05:32 | warmi | if he does then there is nothing to be done in this regard |
| 22:05:53 | JasonNJ | warmi I am sure climov would like the help of a seasoned framebuffer expert for this |
| 22:05:55 | Neo|Work | JasonNJ: is the code available? |
| 22:06:13 | Neo|Work | if so I can quickly check it |
| 22:06:18 | warmi | he wrote Aplha clock ... he knows how to handle framebuffer |
| 22:06:19 | JasonNJ | catalin said he was going to release it |
| 22:07:06 | Neo|Work | how do you know screen updates are the problem w/o source? |
| 22:07:16 | warmi | one thing that could be done is to rewrite the most critical parts in ASM |
| 22:07:20 | JasonNJ | cause catalin told me |
| 22:07:30 | warmi | but that's only after all other bootlenecks are eliminated |
| 22:07:36 | JasonNJ | the pose screen update code is icky |
| 22:07:52 | Neo|Work | it probably has color transformation and stuff |
| 22:08:02 | Neo|Work | since the palmos display can be anything from 1 to 16 bits |
| 22:08:04 | Neo|Work | per pixel |
| 22:08:07 | JasonNJ | yeah it supports the color roms |
| 22:08:35 | Neo|Work | however it shouldn't be HARD to make optimized versions of that |
| 22:08:45 | Neo|Work | one for each depth |
| 22:08:58 | warmi | this kind of color transformation is exactly where ASM should be used |
| 22:09:20 | Neo|Work | it sure seems like he wouldn't be using QDirectPainter, mainly because it's running windowed |
| 22:09:39 | warmi | especially on ARM where CPU has instructions that allow various logical operations to be performed with no aditional cost ( are part of ever instruction) |
| 22:09:40 | Neo|Work | wouldn't surprise me if he uses QPainter->drawImage of the converted framebuffer or so |
| 22:10:07 | warmi | you can easily do QDirectPainter on windowed system |
| 22:10:11 | Neo|Work | which is S L O W |
| 22:10:17 | Neo|Work | warmi: you can, but not AS easily |
| 22:10:20 | warmi | it is simply matter of applying correct offset |
| 22:10:32 | Neo|Work | I had some issues with figuring out offsets and crap |
| 22:11:27 | warmi | QDirectPainter tells you everything ... width of the screen line in bytes etc .. |
| 22:11:37 | Neo|Work | I know |
| 22:11:52 | warmi | of course, there is that stupid rotation one has to deal with |
| 22:11:53 | warmi | hehe |
| 22:12:21 | Neo|Work | I'm probably one of the best non-TT developers when it comes to QDirectPainter. :P |
| 22:12:27 | Neo|Work | mainly because most people don't use it |
| 22:12:38 | Neo|Work | I have... 5 things using it |
| 22:12:38 | warmi | because is hardly documented |
| 22:12:45 | Neo|Work | well, it's pretty good documented. in Qt3 |
| 22:13:19 | warmi | framebuffer is what we used exclusivelly before advent of accelerated gp cards |
| 22:13:33 | warmi | well, before Amiga , I should say |
| 22:13:34 | warmi | hehe |
| 22:13:46 | Neo|Work | most people don't do drawing (i.e games), and most people that do drawing use builtin Qt methods (like Eligo) |
| 22:14:03 | warmi | amiga had a nice hardware blitter but it had nasty , plane based framebuffer |
| 22:14:14 | warmi | Neo|Work: yeah, there is no point unless you really need it |
| 22:14:36 | warmi | I could haved used framebuffer in Puzz-le but what for ? it runs fast enought without it |
| 22:14:38 | Neo|Work | if you just blit pixmaps, and draw lines and stuff sure |
| 22:14:47 | Neo|Work | portability |
| 22:15:00 | Neo|Work | all PPC games I'm porting have their own gfx libraries |
| 22:15:08 | warmi | yeah, I guess one could come up with generic blitter interface and just use that |
| 22:15:09 | Neo|Work | which in general makes porting a whole lot easier for me. :P |
| 22:15:32 | Neo|Work | one app even does rotation (but I haven't started porting it mich) |
| 22:15:46 | Neo|Work | the rotation meaning that to blit to screen you do one memcpy |
| 22:16:09 | warmi | anyway , I was going to do just that and even started on it but then got hung up with ZChess and now Zdiary |
| 22:16:23 | warmi | eventually I will get to it |
| 22:16:25 | warmi | hehe |
| 22:16:38 | Neo|Work | where is that chess anyway? |
| 22:16:51 | warmi | will be coming out soon |
| 22:17:09 | warmi | just making sure that chess engines format is compatible with what mark is writing |
| 22:17:16 | warmi | so people can reuse engines |
| 22:18:10 | Neo|Work | btw, libSDL for Qtopia seems to work pretty well, considering how nicely doom runs |
| 22:18:28 | Neo|Work | other than that weird error that 320x200 gfx mode didn't work (while 320x240 works) |
| 22:18:34 | Twiun | Neo|Work: I completely agree... I was utterly blasted by the framerate |
| 22:18:59 | Neo|Work | the game itself runs on 486's so the Z is faster theoretically |
| 22:19:08 | warmi | Neo|Work: Doom is palette based .. you doing some sort of transformations ? or rending in 16 bits ? |
| 22:19:15 | Neo|Work | of course as I said earlier, SDL has to do 8bit->16bit conversion when blitting |
| 22:19:21 | warmi | theoretically ? it is about 4 times faster |
| 22:19:23 | warmi | hehe |
| 22:19:24 | Neo|Work | SDL does the conversion automatically |
| 22:19:37 | warmi | and memory is faster these days .. etc |
| 22:19:38 | treke | does prdoom do both doom and doom? |
| 22:19:44 | Neo|Work | warmi: pure CPU might be 2-3 times faster maybe but there are more things to it than CPU |
| 22:20:00 | Neo|Work | treke: doom and doom 2 you mean? or what? |
| 22:20:08 | treke | whoops. yeah :) |
| 22:20:09 | Neo|Work | if so it does it all plus their own stuff whatever that is |
| 22:20:14 | warmi | Neo|Work: come on .. just about everything on the Z will be faster then something that was desinged 10 years ago |
| 22:20:16 | Neo|Work | it has more features and stuff than ordinary doom |
| 22:20:29 | treke | sweet. |
| 22:20:41 | treke | goes looking for a copy of doom |
| 22:20:51 | Twiun | Neo|Work: So, apart from the display res, what's left to fix on doom? |
| 22:21:03 | Neo|Work | warmi: not necessarily as I said. RISC means less speed per MHz than CISC |
| 22:21:08 | Neo|Work | Twiun: input |
| 22:21:12 | Neo|Work | make it playable basically |
| 22:21:26 | Neo|Work | also make it look for wad's in some sane way (like chekc /mnt/cf and /mnt/card or so) |
| 22:21:57 | Twiun | nods |
| 22:22:10 | ][N-Flux | is it gonna display sideways? |
| 22:22:22 | ][N-Flux | rises from the grave |
| 22:22:45 | Neo|Work | http://prboom.sourceforge.net/about.html |
| 22:22:46 | Neo|Work | ][N-Flux: yes |
| 22:22:59 | Neo|Work | http://handhelds.org/scap/ |
| 22:23:04 | ][N-Flux | makes sense |
| 22:23:48 | Neo|Work | would be possible (of course) not to but then you'd have to hack it to allow < 320 wide screens (which is minimum right now) |
| 22:23:52 | Neo|Work | i.e scale down the display |
| 22:24:11 | Twiun | Yeah, I was about to ask... using the keys on the left is akward |
| 22:24:17 | Twiun | awkward even |
| 22:24:24 | Twiun | hrmmm... spelling? |
| 22:24:34 | ][N-Flux | cant belive doom is still an issue we should be playing quake by now ;0 |
| 22:25:02 | Twiun | ][N-Flux: did I just hear a volunteer for ripping out the fpoint stuff in quake? |
| 22:25:04 | Twiun | grins |
| 22:25:05 | Neo|Work | Twiun: perhaps but it will be worse to use the stylus with your left hand (if right handed) |
| 22:25:12 | ][N-Flux | hehheehe |
| 22:25:27 | Neo|Work | I might fix a toggle to choose the way it's blitted though |
| 22:25:38 | Neo|Work | I think it still does one-line-at-a-time for blitting today |
| 22:26:16 | Neo|Work | Twiun: I also need to do gamma-correction on the palette colors. they are too dark due to the darker displayu |
| 22:26:28 | Neo|Work | which is nice and easy since it's palette based - just modify the palette when it's set. :) |
| 22:26:36 | Twiun | Yup |
| 22:26:58 | Twiun | All I need to do is dig up my doom2 wad and give it a shot ;-) |
| 22:27:14 | Twiun | hmmm... or even get the demo |
| 22:27:29 | Neo|Work | my download includes the doom1 demo wad |
| 22:27:45 | Twiun | yeah, I was curious about doom2 though |
| 22:27:48 | Neo|Work | ah |
| 22:27:50 | Twiun | from looking at the doom source |
| 22:27:57 | Neo|Work | It'll work |
| 22:28:14 | Neo|Work | only doom version it won't play is Doom 3. :) |
| 22:28:21 | Twiun | Damn! |
| 22:28:35 | Twiun | Whatcha been up to, lazing around again? |
| 22:28:42 | Twiun | get to it! |
| 22:28:43 | Twiun | grins |
| 22:33:07 | warmi | man .. I wasted entire day on irc ... haven't done that for a long time |
| 22:33:09 | warmi | heh |
| 22:33:40 | CloudChaser | aw it wasn't a total waste, now was it? |
| 22:34:06 | treke | you had our enriching company |
| 22:35:41 | warmi | hehe |
| 22:35:48 | warmi | yeah, that's true |
| 22:36:19 | warmi | but tommorow .. back to work |
| 22:36:53 | CloudChaser | bleh tomorrow's friday ;) |
| 22:37:25 | warmi | and a short Friday at that |
| 22:37:29 | warmi | at least for us |
| 22:37:37 | warmi | we are off at 2 PM |
| 22:37:51 | Neo|Work | wow |
| 22:38:07 | Neo|Work | go to http://labs1.google.com/sets and enter Tom's Hardware and select a large set |
| 22:38:10 | Neo|Work | that's like awesome |
| 22:38:54 | warmi | yeah, search engines are finally gettting smarter |
| 22:39:32 | warmi | well,entering "zaurus" doesn't work all that well |
| 22:40:16 | Neo|Work | enter Zaurus, iPAQ, Visor, Palm instead |
| 22:40:24 | warmi | hehe .. NeoWork .. you were soooo right as far as contest is concerned |
| 22:40:36 | warmi | I doubt we will see the results this week |
| 22:40:42 | Neo|Work | yeah |
| 22:40:57 | Neo|Work | they still have a week till my guess fails. :P |
| 22:41:09 | warmi | hehe |
| 22:41:21 | warmi | and what did they say .. it was supposed to be Tuesday ? |
| 22:41:26 | warmi | or was it MOnday ? |
| 22:42:52 | Neo|Work | http://labs1.google.com/keys/ is funky to |
| 22:43:05 | Neo|Work | originally Monday or Tuesday according to Jason on Monday |
| 22:43:32 | warmi | oh well ... most likely I won't win anything anyway |
| 22:43:45 | CloudChaser | what did you submit warmi? |
| 22:44:04 | warmi | so might as well stop being so anxious |
| 22:44:25 | warmi | http://www.warmi.net/zaurus/puzz_le.shtml |
| 22:44:28 | warmi | a game |
| 22:44:42 | Neo|Work | if I win a laptop I'll be very happy. :-P |
| 22:44:58 | warmi | well .. no shit Neo :-) |
| 22:45:01 | CloudChaser | that would be nice ;) |
| 22:45:01 | warmi | hehe |
| 22:45:08 | CloudChaser | 10 grand would be nice too |
| 22:45:14 | Neo|Work | true |
| 22:45:18 | warmi | oh .. stop it right there Cloud .. |
| 22:45:27 | Neo|Work | my goal was to get a Zaurus. anything else is a bonus. :) |
| 22:45:40 | warmi | you gonna get me all dreamy and stuf |
| 22:45:45 | warmi | hehe |
| 22:45:52 | warmi | yeah.. that is how I look at it as well |
| 22:46:01 | warmi | I won my Zaurus and that's more than ennough |
| 22:46:29 | CloudChaser | you won it? |
| 22:46:45 | warmi | yeah: http://contest.trolltech.com/ |
| 22:47:03 | Neo|Work | the beta stage of the contest when 50 Z's were given out |
| 22:47:23 | warmi | see, we are cheap dudes around here .. |
| 22:47:25 | CloudChaser | ah i thought that is what the contest was you are waiting for |
| 22:47:38 | warmi | I would never spend $500 of my own money |
| 22:47:39 | warmi | hehe |
| 22:47:46 | CloudChaser | ah i did |
| 22:48:18 | Neo|Work | I would but I don't have that $500. :P |
| 22:48:28 | Neo|Work | CloudChaser: and yes, that is the contest we're waiting for the final results of |
| 22:48:35 | Neo|Work | it was a two stage contest |
| 22:48:38 | warmi | just kidding .. I was actually contemplating getting myself 5500 when they were late with sending out the prizes. |
| 22:49:04 | warmi | yep .. first stage ( beta stage) is over |
| 22:50:26 | warmi | Neo|Work: do you own a laptop ? |
| 22:50:30 | BigBoss | did they announce the contest winner yet? |
| 22:50:37 | warmi | no chance |
| 22:50:41 | BigBoss | CloudChaser: thanks for the right up |
| 22:51:15 | warmi | it appears they have a hard time making up their minds who should win |
| 22:51:21 | warmi | at least that's what Jason said |
| 22:51:24 | kergoth | sweet. I'm seeing actual progress here. I think I'll try to boot this kernel and see if the lcd works |
| 22:51:49 | Neo|Work | warmi: which is odd, they had pretty clear rules on how it'd work |
| 22:51:59 | Neo|Work | unless of couse there are multiple ones with identical scores.. |
| 22:52:12 | warmi | yeah , that's what I think is going on |
| 22:53:07 | warmi | Neo|Work: they are talking about having another contest . this time for Java programmers .. |
| 22:53:27 | warmi | are you going to participate in that one ? |
| 22:53:54 | kergoth | hmm odd |
| 22:54:15 | warmi | after all .. just forget about pointers and you are automatically turn into accomplished Java programmer |
| 22:54:17 | kergoth | the collie fb driver doesnt seem to ever power down the lcd |
| 22:54:26 | warmi | heh |
| 22:54:26 | kergoth | it only disables it |
| 22:54:58 | Neo|Work | warmi: yeah, I know. I don't plan to learn java to enter though. :-) |
| 22:55:06 | kergoth | hmm |
| 22:55:06 | kergoth | odd |
| 22:55:19 | Neo|Work | I don't like Java I guess |
| 22:55:25 | kergoth | why wouldnt they power down the lcd? |
| 22:55:32 | warmi | allright ... time for my daily dose of Metra |
| 22:55:37 | warmi | see you later |
| 22:55:37 | kergoth | joins tuxscreen to pester tim riker |
| 22:55:38 | Neo|Work | plus I don't have time to learn and come up with some useful app |
| 23:07:58 | kergoth | k im out |
| 23:42:15 | Fatbum | yo |
| 23:42:20 | Fatbum | winxp sucks |
| 23:42:39 | ljp | and it took you how long to figure that out? |
| 23:42:44 | treke | look it's Captain Obvious |
| 23:43:05 | Fatbum | grrrrrrr want my z to work |
| 23:44:11 | Fatbum | any1 know how to get this crap to work |
| 23:44:13 | Fatbum | arrrg |
| 23:45:54 | Fatbum | ok i can ping it |
| 23:45:55 | ljp | flash to the latest rom |
| 23:46:02 | Fatbum | im using oz |
| 23:47:00 | Fatbum | ok i cant ping 192.168.1.1 if the z is at 192.168.129.201? |
| 23:47:04 | Fatbum | or what? |
| 23:50:44 | Fatbum | meh |
| 23:50:45 | Fatbum | :'( |
| 23:50:47 | Fatbum | any1? |
| 23:51:34 | Fatbum | ooook |
| 23:54:41 | ljp | ping 192.168.129.201 |
| 23:55:28 | Fatbum | ok |
| 23:55:37 | Fatbum | does that ping the pc? |
| 23:55:43 | Fatbum | cuz thats the zs ip |
| 23:55:57 | Fatbum | and the sharp 'adaptor' |
| 23:57:53 | Fatbum | eh |
| 23:58:01 | Fatbum | just someone give me a link or some shit |
| 23:58:13 | ljp | onthe winxp just set up the Z's net connection ip to be 192.168.129.200 |
| 23:59:25 | Fatbum | not 201? |
| 23:59:42 | ljp | nope |
| 23:59:47 | Fatbum | k what about the z |
| 23:59:51 | Fatbum | obtain auto? |
| 23:59:56 | Fatbum | or set it as...201 |
| 23:59:58 | ljp | naaa |
