| 00:00:08 | Rince | sorry to interrupt you.. what is the difference (in the new tkcAddressBook) between Birthday and Aniversary? |
| 00:00:24 | Neo|Work | uh |
| 00:00:35 | Rince | anniversary means day of marriage in this case? |
| 00:00:36 | Neo|Work | one is for birthdays and one is for anniversities? |
| 00:00:44 | Neo|Work | Generally yes, only, no |
| 00:00:47 | Rince | I am not so sure... that's why I ask :) |
| 00:00:56 | Neo|Work | could be anniversity of say, buying a dog. :P |
| 00:01:10 | Rince | (and I think it's funny that the builtin-calendarfeature isn't able to give me the year 1960... it stops at 1970 :-) |
| 00:02:41 | W|GGL|T | is back (gone 05:16:13) |
| 00:09:20 | nyargh | btw - internationally ignorant folks, in a number of languages "Anniversary" means Birthday |
| 00:10:15 | Rince | yes, that's why there is some confussion |
| 00:10:29 | Rince | since anniversary has different meanings too |
| 00:10:47 | Rince | in the german version of the ROM, they translated it to "Jubilaeum", but this is not really good.. |
| 00:50:05 | whardier | hiaku's lowkey |
| 00:50:11 | whardier | offkey I might add |
| 00:50:14 | whardier | with a little lime |
| 00:50:35 | lowkey | hey |
| 00:53:44 | ljp | hahaha whardier- you so funny |
| 00:54:09 | ljp | I got a hard drive to spin by hitting it today... I are a computer technition |
| 00:54:31 | [DrEvil] | Quantum? |
| 00:54:55 | ljp | maxtor.. my firewall.. I took down while I have to dsl.. |
| 00:55:03 | [DrEvil] | ahh |
| 00:55:04 | ljp | didnt want to respin |
| 00:55:08 | [DrEvil] | quantumhad that problem |
| 00:55:11 | ljp | have no dsl |
| 00:55:33 | [DrEvil] | whenever a sparcstation wouldn't boot, it was usually because of the hard drive |
| 00:55:48 | Rince | that's where "boot net" is coming in the game |
| 00:56:08 | ljp | I should just use floppyfirewall and stick an old 40mb hard drive in so it boots |
| 00:56:36 | [DrEvil] | you should |
| 00:56:52 | [DrEvil] | hmmm |
| 00:56:56 | [DrEvil] | should I sell this amp |
| 00:56:59 | Rince | ljp: take a fli4l - Linux on a Floppy-Router. |
| 00:58:34 | ljp | looked into that.. I think I dl'd it somewhere.. but the firewalls up..and not going to come down till the power goes out for an extended period |
| 00:59:05 | ljp | and will be spining til the bearings wearout |
| 01:00:01 | roge99 | ljp: adtron makes a pcmcia adaptor that plugs into the ide and uses ATA pcmcia card for a solid state hdd |
| 01:00:25 | ljp | hmmm interesting |
| 01:00:27 | roge99 | shows up in your bios like a 16mb hdd ( or 32 or what ever ) |
| 01:00:44 | roge99 | i have part numbs if you intrested |
| 01:00:54 | ljp | sure |
| 01:01:06 | roge99 | i also have pre-built fw images for the cards |
| 01:01:24 | ljp | cool |
| 01:01:47 | ljp | hehehe I could run opie onit |
| 01:02:21 | ljp | oh ya.. I couldn't cause it has no head.. heh |
| 01:03:23 | roge99 | is tearing up his office lookin for the manuals |
| 01:03:31 | ljp | hahaha |
| 01:03:47 | roge99 | i dont want to crack the case to get the pt#'s |
| 01:04:11 | ljp | well.. dont kill yourself looking for it |
| 01:04:52 | roge99 | HA ! |
| 01:04:57 | roge99 | under an INDY |
| 01:06:03 | roge99 | hmmm no part # in the manual ... its just called SDDA ATA Adapter |
| 01:06:32 | roge99 | thers a url ... www.adtron.com |
| 01:06:58 | ljp | cool. I'll check it out |
| 01:07:31 | ljp | I do have an old 40 mb and an old 20 mb hard drive that still work.. and have DOS on them |
| 01:07:46 | roge99 | ewww dos |
| 01:08:07 | ljp | and the 40 mb had windows 3.1 |
| 01:08:14 | roge99 | i have some old scsi drives w/ IRIX on em |
| 01:08:18 | ljp | has |
| 01:08:30 | ljp | compressed dosfs |
| 01:09:00 | ljp | dos is nice cause it boots in no time at all |
| 01:09:24 | ljp | although.. its not networked at all |
| 01:09:29 | arrrg | what is the difference between GTK+ and Qt? |
| 01:09:42 | Rince | both are libraries. GUIs |
| 01:09:44 | arrrg | I see I have glade and KDevelop on my system (mandrake) and don't know what is different |
| 01:10:00 | treke | both are gui library, the similarities end there |
| 01:10:06 | arrrg | oh ok |
| 01:10:50 | ljp | they both run on linux |
| 01:10:55 | ljp | and use X |
| 01:11:04 | treke | QT is primarily a C++ library, GTK is primarily C. |
| 01:14:18 | ljp | and everybody knows.. c++ is c with class! |
| 01:14:48 | arrrg | heheh |
| 01:15:10 | treke | isnt qualified to get into that arguement |
| 01:19:47 | BigBoss | GTK is exactly the same as Qt |
| 01:19:49 | BigBoss | :) |
| 01:20:01 | rikkus | larts BigBoss |
| 01:21:18 | BigBoss | rikkus: isn't it time for you to go to bed, or did you get up early? |
| 01:21:28 | BigBoss | I hear rumors that the harmony project might get revived |
| 01:21:28 | rikkus | it's time for me to go to bed |
| 01:21:46 | ljp | really? harmony? why? |
| 01:22:09 | BigBoss | because of how unstable Qt has gotten recently |
| 01:22:18 | BigBoss | it's probably just kids blowing smoke though |
| 01:22:29 | ljp | qt3? |
| 01:22:45 | BigBoss | qt3 has had a LOT of problems |
| 01:23:00 | BigBoss | we've had to rewrite huge sections |
| 01:23:07 | ljp | TT could have more and better developers if they didnt have to relocate to Norway |
| 01:23:23 | warmi | certainly less than GTK yet you don't see people cloning GTK |
| 01:24:00 | ljp | harmony needs to know about -lclonelib I've developed then! |
| 01:24:03 | warmi | GTK is a mess ... frankly , always been :-) |
| 01:24:09 | BigBoss | exactly :) |
| 01:24:12 | BigBoss | for both of you |
| 01:24:21 | BigBoss | yea, TT pays terrible wages and you have to go to Norway |
| 01:24:29 | BigBoss | but that said, they overall have some amazing developers |
| 01:25:21 | ljp | I dont think I've run into that many TT devs.. I would think they'd be everywhere |
| 01:25:32 | warmi | hehe |
| 01:25:44 | ljp | dont htey have about 30 developers? or something? |
| 01:25:55 | warmi | don't they have lots of KDE folks on their payroll |
| 01:25:56 | warmi | ?? |
| 01:26:07 | rikkus | Norway would just piss me off. Too dark in the winter, too cold. |
| 01:26:18 | ljp | I owuld love Norway. |
| 01:26:28 | warmi | huh .. as if GB is all that better ... |
| 01:26:34 | ljp | aurora.. endless summer days |
| 01:26:37 | warmi | some people prefer snow to rain :-) |
| 01:26:51 | ljp | skiing, sailing.. beautiful women.. who could ask fo rmore? |
| 01:27:37 | warmi | %50 tax rates .. |
| 01:27:46 | ljp | free health care |
| 01:27:50 | rikkus | very expensive to live there |
| 01:28:00 | warmi | free, crappy healt care |
| 01:28:02 | warmi | hehe |
| 01:28:02 | ljp | free university... |
| 01:28:14 | rikkus | EUR 25 for a pizza |
| 01:28:20 | ljp | hehe |
| 01:28:34 | warmi | I hope it is a huge pizza |
| 01:28:39 | rikkus | no decent music |
| 01:28:44 | ljp | is Norway in the EU? |
| 01:28:48 | rikkus | er, yes |
| 01:29:40 | ljp | denmark isnt so I thought maybe Norway would be the same.. ;) |
| 01:29:49 | warmi | ljp: what's wrong with your place ? I mean , you seem to be eager to get the hell out of wherever you are now .. |
| 01:29:51 | warmi | heh |
| 01:30:04 | ljp | I never like the place I'm at.. |
| 01:30:12 | ljp | I wanna mmooooooooovvveee |
| 01:30:26 | ljp | I like to travel |
| 01:30:30 | rikkus | ljp: Denmark is in the EU |
| 01:30:38 | warmi | Sweden is out |
| 01:30:39 | ljp | you sure? |
| 01:30:51 | rikkus | well, I live in the EU, I should know :P |
| 01:31:03 | Neo|Work | BigBoss: TT pays normal wages for Norway I'm sure. |
| 01:31:07 | ljp | hmm... well what country am I thinking of then |
| 01:31:39 | warmi | Russia ? |
| 01:31:40 | warmi | heeh |
| 01:31:42 | rikkus | ljp: Japan ? |
| 01:31:45 | ljp | no |
| 01:31:50 | ljp | Europe |
| 01:32:00 | ljp | small.. northerly |
| 01:32:06 | rikkus | Switzerland |
| 01:32:07 | warmi | Finland ? |
| 01:32:10 | Neo|Work | and I always though pizza in the US was so damn expensive compared to Sweden |
| 01:32:12 | Neo|Work | still think so |
| 01:32:19 | ljp | netherlands? |
| 01:32:22 | rikkus | wonders if Norway is actually in the EU |
| 01:32:49 | rikkus | Switzerland isn't. Iceland isn't... |
| 01:33:06 | rikkus | Turkey isn't... |
| 01:33:33 | ljp | iceland is considered Europe? |
| 01:33:41 | rikkus | usually |
| 01:33:45 | ljp | hmmm odd |
| 01:34:07 | rikkus | so is Russia, depending which direction you're looking :) |
| 01:34:12 | ljp | http://europa.eu.int/abc/governments/index_en.html |
| 01:34:17 | ljp | norway isnt |
| 01:34:22 | rikkus | ah |
| 01:34:35 | warmi | oh .. Norway is out |
| 01:34:36 | ljp | wait thats not right |
| 01:34:45 | warmi | I thought Sweded was out too |
| 01:34:45 | ljp | GB isnt EU |
| 01:34:52 | rikkus | er |
| 01:35:03 | ljp | is it? |
| 01:35:04 | rikkus | GB definitely is |
| 01:35:07 | rikkus | I live there :) |
| 01:35:09 | ljp | UK? |
| 01:35:13 | rikkus | yes |
| 01:35:17 | ljp | hmmm... |
| 01:35:24 | Neo|Work | but, as Sweden, the UK is not part of the monetary union (i.e EURO) |
| 01:35:30 | Neo|Work | ...I believe... |
| 01:35:31 | warmi | right , that was it |
| 01:35:36 | ljp | ooh ok |
| 01:35:37 | rikkus | right |
| 01:35:40 | warmi | it was monetary union I was thinking about |
| 01:35:42 | rikkus | we don't have the euro |
| 01:35:44 | ljp | me too |
| 01:36:25 | ljp | heh I can drive for 30 hours East at 70 mph and still be in the same country |
| 01:37:15 | rikkus | euro-using states: Belgium, Germany, Greece, Spain, France, Ireland, Italy, Luxembourg, The Netherlands, Austria, Portugal, Finland |
| 01:37:18 | warmi | well Russian can do the same for about a week |
| 01:37:19 | warmi | heh |
| 01:37:42 | ljp | true that |
| 01:37:52 | ljp | if you can drive 70 on those roads |
| 01:37:59 | Neo|Work | is Russia really that big? |
| 01:38:19 | rikkus | uh |
| 01:38:20 | Neo|Work | I don't have a world map at hand so I can't compare. :P |
| 01:38:28 | ljp | Russia is huge |
| 01:38:32 | rikkus | it's quite big :} |
| 01:38:38 | warmi | well, yeah ... if you start at the western border and go all the way to the Barents (? ) see .. |
| 01:38:45 | warmi | sea |
| 01:38:58 | Neo|Work | ah, yes. Russia is wide indeed |
| 01:39:22 | Neo|Work | You see, I haven't updated my geography skills since it was broken up. :P |
| 01:39:34 | warmi | it wasn't really broken all that much |
| 01:40:09 | ljp | and contrary to what my president thinks.. Russia is bigger than Texas |
| 01:40:18 | warmi | well, Ukraine that was a big loss |
| 01:40:50 | warmi | well, he will have a chance to see that for himself soon enough |
| 01:42:05 | ljp | heh get this: the Feds are suing several counties in Florida over the 2000 election.. |
| 01:42:16 | warmi | I spent my honeymoon in what it used to be Leningrad ( now it is St. Petersburg) |
| 01:42:39 | ljp | interesting |
| 01:42:55 | rikkus | my friend's off to St. Petersburg in a couple of days |
| 01:42:58 | rikkus | to play paintball |
| 01:43:05 | ljp | plans on spending his honeymoon on Anguilla |
| 01:43:10 | warmi | used to be incredibly cheap place |
| 01:43:17 | rikkus | against the US marines who guard the US embassy there |
| 01:43:23 | warmi | spent week in the best hotel in town for about $200 |
| 01:43:40 | warmi | in 1992 |
| 01:43:53 | warmi | these days I am sure it is just as expensive as NYC |
| 01:43:54 | warmi | heh |
| 01:46:40 | rikkus | & |
| 01:52:03 | Neo|Work | is away: home |
| 01:55:08 | jjbenham | I just purchased a zaurus. Does openzaurus yet work on the 5500? |
| 01:55:28 | warmi | ljp: does it ? |
| 01:55:45 | warmi | I though they were going thru beta now |
| 01:55:48 | warmi | or something like that |
| 01:56:21 | jjbenham | I should probably wait. Isn't opera faster then konqueror? |
| 01:56:27 | ljp | yes it works with the correct kernel |
| 01:56:49 | warmi | it is on 5000D for the simple reason that konqueror is a memory hog |
| 01:57:12 | jjbenham | perhaps they will fix that |
| 01:57:14 | warmi | I don't know how it would work on 5500 with 2x memory being available |
| 01:57:33 | warmi | try it and you will know |
| 01:57:35 | warmi | hehe |
| 01:57:43 | jjbenham | I guess so |
| 01:58:10 | jjbenham | is the pdf reader fully compliant with acrobat? |
| 01:58:20 | warmi | which reader ? |
| 01:58:26 | warmi | qpdf ? or opera ? |
| 01:58:34 | warmi | both of them can display pdf |
| 01:59:11 | jjbenham | the one on openZaurus |
| 01:59:13 | jjbenham | I notice that xpdf on my desktop can't open up all the pdf files that acrobat reader can |
| 01:59:20 | warmi | both of them have problems with some pdfs |
| 01:59:42 | warmi | hell, my acrobat readed sometimes will not load some pdfs :-) |
| 01:59:53 | jjbenham | ok |
| 02:01:03 | jjbenham | Are there differnt window managers for zaurus? Something like blackbox with bbkeys? |
| 02:01:14 | warmi | I think opie pdf reader is a clone of qpdf which in turn was cloned from xpdf |
| 02:01:24 | jjbenham | ok |
| 02:01:55 | treke | jjbenham : Not unless you use X |
| 02:02:03 | ljp | opie pdf IS qpdf |
| 02:02:08 | treke | I think the opiepdf reader is qpdf |
| 02:02:10 | warmi | not at this point .... I mean, you can install X windows on your zaurus and have it behave just like the one on the desktop |
| 02:02:28 | treke | X is a pain in the ass though :) |
| 02:02:31 | warmi | ljp: yeah, but they had to remove some transformations etc .. |
| 02:02:33 | [DrEvil] | Geoworks |
| 02:02:47 | warmi | becasue qpe on the Zaurus doesn't support QPainter transformations |
| 02:02:58 | [DrEvil] | I remember hacking the ini file on my Zoomer to get it into windowed mode |
| 02:03:01 | [DrEvil] | all motif |
| 02:03:09 | jjbenham | wouldn't x weight it down though? |
| 02:03:20 | warmi | yeah, |
| 02:03:52 | warmi | I gather you are not particulary impressed with Qtopia .. |
| 02:04:05 | treke | You'd be less impressed with X |
| 02:04:19 | warmi | yep |
| 02:04:36 | warmi | frankly, I am not a big fan of X on the desktop let alone on my little Zaurus |
| 02:05:11 | jjbenham | I am kind of just checking out my options and to see how much I can customize this thing |
| 02:05:32 | warmi | not much at this point .. at least not much as far as Qtopia is concerned |
| 02:05:49 | warmi | but there are other options like PicoGUI which runs on the zaurus etc .. |
| 02:06:00 | treke | If you were using OpenZaurus, X wouldnt be quite so bad |
| 02:06:10 | jjbenham | warmi: do you know of an alternative to x on the desktop. Can you use svgalib or something? |
| 02:06:42 | warmi | jjbenham: hah ... Win32 and osX are alternatives |
| 02:07:06 | warmi | personally I use Windows 2000 and Linux + Accelerated X .. accelerated X is much better than Xfree |
| 02:07:47 | NST | I think sharp should have used X be default... |
| 02:07:52 | warmi | no |
| 02:08:02 | jjbenham | accelerated X is that free software? |
| 02:08:07 | NST | nope |
| 02:08:15 | treke | nope |
| 02:08:24 | warmi | jjbenham: no , it is a commercial X server .. I bought it for about $100 |
| 02:08:46 | jjbenham | is it 100% compatible with xfree86? |
| 02:08:53 | jjbenham | Is this from mit? |
| 02:09:08 | warmi | no it is from http://www.xig.com/ |
| 02:09:10 | NST | Well, on the Yopy, it uses X quite well.. Its load isn't too bad on the system, and its IMHO easier to port apps to it. |
| 02:09:54 | warmi | NST: easier to port apps to ? you mean , being forced to install 5 different widget toolkits on the Zaurus ? |
| 02:10:07 | NST | jjbenham generally you only have to use AcceleratedX or something else if there *really* are no free drivers available for your card/if you need serious optimizations |
| 02:10:08 | jjbenham | how do you like Yopy? How does it rate to the Zaurus? |
| 02:10:35 | NST | jjbenham I like the zaurus better, you almost can't see anythinbg on the yopys screen |
| 02:10:38 | warmi | AcceleratedX is basically much faster and smoother than XFree |
| 02:11:05 | NST | jjbenham and the yopy has no back/frontlight, |
| 02:11:07 | warmi | Yopy looks very cool but just about everyone is bitching about its lack of back or front light |
| 02:11:31 | NST | and its keyboard is abcd and not qwerty, |
| 02:11:44 | jjbenham | ok |
| 02:12:26 | warmi | NST: do you own Yopy ? |
| 02:12:34 | jjbenham | warmi: would you run x Accelerated if you did not have to? |
| 02:12:36 | NST | oh and one more think i dont like about the yopy is the fact that you have to carry the stylus seperately, |
| 02:12:45 | NST | warmi no, I dont like it, |
| 02:12:55 | NST | warmi I played with one for a week |
| 02:13:14 | warmi | jjbenham: I run it cause I like it .. I have Radeon graphic card which is well supported under XFree yet I still prefer AcceleratedX - it is simply faster |
| 02:13:39 | warmi | NST: do you know which X toolkit it had in its ROM ? |
| 02:14:07 | NST | warmi erm,, lemme check.. |
| 02:14:17 | treke | probaly tinyx |
| 02:14:36 | warmi | yeah, but Xlib doesn't have any toolkit be default |
| 02:14:50 | treke | oh fltk |
| 02:14:59 | warmi | fltk .. that makes sense |
| 02:15:00 | treke | I was thinking the wrong thing |
| 02:15:17 | warmi | lean and mean |
| 02:15:18 | warmi | hehe |
| 02:15:29 | treke | the apps are actually pretty cool |
| 02:15:50 | warmi | jjbenham: are you planning to develop for the Zaurus ? |
| 02:15:59 | NST | it used to have something they called W Windows, and well I am glad the changed to X ... |
| 02:16:20 | warmi | one thing I don't like about fltk is that default SGI kind of look |
| 02:17:16 | warmi | W Windows ? |
| 02:17:19 | warmi | hmm |
| 02:17:23 | NST | warmi all I can find out from the site is "W Window System and Toolkit", and someone mentioned that its close to gtk+ |
| 02:17:29 | jjbenham | warmi: I am just learning to code actually. I was just trying to see how I can optimise it to the way I work if I need to |
| 02:18:12 | warmi | well, just another toolkit ... and to just about any X app you would have to install either GTK, Qt or even Motif ... |
| 02:18:13 | jjbenham | Trying to see what my options are. My Zaurus is still on it way...Being delivered ups |
| 02:18:34 | warmi | jjbenhaml: are you trying to develop ON the zaurus ? |
| 02:18:40 | NST | warmi true,, anyway, I am not sure that the yopy is ready for prime time here... |
| 02:18:40 | warmi | hehe |
| 02:18:59 | NST | jjbenham you in the US? |
| 02:19:06 | jjbenham | NST: yes I am |
| 02:19:17 | warmi | it looks cool :-)) like this new Sony Clie or whatever it is called |
| 02:19:20 | NST | unfair... I want a zaurus, but I am in korea... |
| 02:19:35 | warmi | NST: how about www ? |
| 02:19:50 | jjbenham | NST: you can't order it? |
| 02:20:09 | NST | warmi yea, I will prolly order it online, its just a bit more of a hassle if it breaks or something.. |
| 02:20:10 | jjbenham | I bought mine off of ebay.com |
| 02:20:24 | jjbenham | NST you can insure it. |
| 02:20:39 | NST | jjbenham yea, i never thought of that.. |
| 02:20:53 | NST | can anyone recommend a etailer? |
| 02:20:55 | warmi | jjbenham: how much did you pay for it ? |
| 02:21:29 | jjbenham | warmi: I paid 430 for the 5500 including shipping |
| 02:21:53 | jjbenham | NST: I got mine off of ebay |
| 02:21:55 | warmi | jjbenham: if you are trying to learn C++ programming then Qt/Qtopia is a dream to code for |
| 02:22:10 | jjbenham | warmi: Cool! |
| 02:22:26 | treke | the documentation is a beautiful thing |
| 02:22:34 | NST | I guess you guys like kde? |
| 02:22:38 | warmi | frankly, I coded with Motif and Win32 and Qt is frankly the best of them hands down |
| 02:22:56 | treke | doesnt |
| 02:22:57 | NST | how's kde3? |
| 02:22:58 | jjbenham | warmi: What is it that makes it so great to code in that environment? |
| 02:23:14 | warmi | it is not enviroment but the library itself |
| 02:23:23 | treke | NST : only qt app on my desktop is kmines :) |
| 02:23:28 | warmi | MFC , compared to this, is like a f** nightmare |
| 02:23:51 | jjbenham | oh I see |
| 02:23:52 | NST | heh, ok, i get the point.. |
| 02:24:04 | warmi | btw ... I do like KDE |
| 02:24:29 | warmi | but I am a big fan of Win32 look and feel so KDE was a natural choice for me |
| 02:24:30 | warmi | :-) |
| 02:24:31 | NST | I am currently using windowmaker.., but wondered if its time to switch to something more erm.. "sophisticated" |
| 02:24:35 | jjbenham | warmi: So I assume qt is well documented? |
| 02:24:48 | warmi | jjbenham: hell, yeah |
| 02:25:07 | warmi | http://doc.trolltech.com/ |
| 02:25:13 | jjbenham | thanks |
| 02:25:33 | warmi | Qt has just about everything .. it is far more than a simple QUi library |
| 02:25:36 | NST | always though trolltech had the coolest name |
| 02:26:22 | warmi | XML, Assynchronous Sockets on UNIX, fast, mean and lean collection classes etc .. |
| 02:26:24 | warmi | cool stuff |
| 02:26:38 | jjbenham | warmi: have you every used fltk? |
| 02:26:46 | warmi | and it runs on X, Windows, OS-X (Apple) and the Zaurus |
| 02:26:53 | warmi | yeah.. I have played around with it ... |
| 02:27:07 | NST | warmi dont forget the ipaq |
| 02:27:07 | warmi | in fact Zcheckers was ported from fltk program :-) |
| 02:27:35 | warmi | http://www.warmi.net/zaurus/zcheckers.shtml |
| 02:27:49 | jjbenham | csound can use fltk. This is one of the resons why i am interested in fltk |
| 02:28:02 | warmi | what's csound ? |
| 02:28:26 | Fatbum | installing beta10 |
| 02:28:30 | Fatbum | yays |
| 02:28:44 | warmi | brb |
| 02:28:49 | jjbenham | csound is a compiler for a musical programing language. It evolved from music V that was used on the RCA mark II and old IBM mainframes |
| 02:28:57 | Fatbum | my friend uses csound |
| 02:29:10 | jjbenham | cool |
| 02:29:28 | jjbenham | I want to compile it on the zaurus so I can use it while on the bus |
| 02:29:34 | Fatbum | hehe |
| 02:29:35 | Fatbum | cool |
| 02:29:48 | NST | And about the warrenty, is it like Palm's where you have a 1 year International warrenty? |
| 02:29:55 | Fatbum | haha the new wireless lan icon is funny |
| 02:30:02 | jjbenham | Do I need X to get fltk on the zaurus |
| 02:36:50 | jjbenham | NST were you refering to insurance? |
| 02:39:36 | NST | jjbenham no, you know, for example if they say you have a 1 year warranty, and for example the unit suddenly fails, you can just take it back to the people you bought it from, and get a new unit. |
| 02:40:11 | jjbenham | NST: I am sorry I was confused |
| 02:40:16 | NST | np :) |
| 02:40:40 | warmi | jbenham: if this is a compilter than I am sure it will run on the zaurus |
| 02:41:17 | warmi | jjbenham: you mean there is a tool for create/programming csound written in fltk ? |
| 02:41:36 | NST | brb, reboot |
| 02:43:39 | jjbenham | warmi: no..You can create instruments in csounds that are controlled by and fltk interface. You have these widget opcodes that will make an fltk widget popup. Somethink like a slider or a dial. |
| 02:43:54 | jjbenham | or a pannel of sliders and dials |
| 02:44:12 | jjbenham | these dials and or sliders controll paremeters of you instrument |
| 02:44:16 | NST | k, i am back. |
| 02:44:34 | warmi | hmm ... so this is almost like a sound tracker |
| 02:44:45 | warmi | I don't know if you are familiar with mod files |
| 02:45:51 | jjbenham | warmi: not even close. csound is a compiler for sound sythesis. I know some mod players can do synthesis. None of them I have seen have this level of sophistication though. |
| 02:46:36 | warmi | yeah, I know it is probably much more sophisticated but it is similar concept .. |
| 02:47:11 | warmi | are there any programs like that for Windows CE or PalmPilot ? |
| 02:47:11 | jjbenham | warmi: I feel like it is comparing apples and oranges though. |
| 02:47:33 | jjbenham | There is a program for windows. I don't know about CE |
| 02:48:05 | jjbenham | with csound you can do anytype of sythesis imaginable |
| 02:48:43 | NeoTron | is back (gone 10:46:14) |
| 02:49:03 | jjbenham | It was developed over at MIT. |
| 02:49:10 | jjbenham | It did not begin there though. |
| 02:49:27 | warmi | yeah, I was going thru csound manual |
| 02:49:30 | jjbenham | This program evolved from much older programs. |
| 02:49:41 | jjbenham | warmi: do you write music? |
| 02:50:15 | warmi | not really .. I used to write mod files but I am much better at writing C++ :-) |
| 02:50:16 | jjbenham | warmi: It takes a long time to learn. But it is worth it if you are into that |
| 02:51:01 | warmi | well, going back to fltk .. you could install X and run this program on the Zaurus .. |
| 02:51:19 | warmi | but you could do the same using iPaq |
| 02:51:22 | jjbenham | warmi: does fltk require x |
| 02:51:30 | warmi | yeah , it does |
| 02:51:49 | warmi | but , as I said, the ZAurus can run X |
| 02:51:50 | treke | well you can run run X apps within qtopia with some creativity |
| 02:51:53 | jjbenham | warmi: I am not sure about running x on the zaurus |
| 02:52:50 | warmi | sure you can .. www.zauruszone.com has even entire section devoted to X apps for the ZAurus |
| 02:52:57 | treke | Qtopia has a vnc viewer, and vncserver acts as an X server and can run on the iPaq/Zaurus |
| 02:53:05 | warmi | hehe |
| 02:53:29 | warmi | but he wanted to do it on his way to work/schools whatever |
| 02:53:31 | warmi | hehe |
| 02:53:38 | warmi | http://www.zauruszone.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard.cgi?s=3cead08722f5ffff;act=SF;f=26 |
| 02:53:45 | warmi | this is a link to X11 section |
| 02:54:07 | jjbenham | thanks |
| 02:54:12 | Fatbum | how bout x11 and the apmd prollem |
| 02:54:17 | Fatbum | is that fixed in 2.2 |
| 02:54:21 | Fatbum | or oz even? |
| 02:54:45 | treke | question is where bipolar put his qtopia-x binaries :) |
| 02:54:49 | warmi | I have no idea .. but I know people do run X11 on 5500x |
| 02:54:52 | jjbenham | is x slow on zaurus? |
| 02:55:17 | warmi | probably a bit slower than Qtopia |
| 02:55:19 | treke | http://www.longbros.com/benjamin/ipaq/dist/old-qpe/other/qtopia-x_0.1_arm.ipk |
| 02:57:08 | warmi | jjbenham: maybe you would be better of getting yourself some sort of laptop .. |
| 02:57:10 | jjbenham | warmi: there is a program that converts midi files to csound score files. |
| 02:57:48 | jjbenham | warmi: I do have a laptop. I guess it was just part of the coolness factor of doing this on a Zaurus! |
| 02:57:55 | warmi | oh ok |
| 02:58:22 | jjbenham | If I can get gcc I am sure I can get csounds on my Z |
| 02:58:27 | treke | warmi : Oh I see what you were misunderstanding. You can install the vncserver on the zaurus, which you connect to locally |
| 02:59:31 | warmi | you are talking about X based vncserver and not framebuffer one ? |
| 02:59:40 | treke | right |
| 02:59:53 | warmi | oh .. well I guess you could but then it is like running X |
| 03:00:10 | treke | except you also have qtopia available at the same time |
| 03:00:18 | warmi | yeah, that';s true ... |
| 03:00:37 | treke | its a memory hog though |
| 03:00:39 | warmi | hmm .. but then again ... that would be rather stresfull on my 32MBs .. |
| 03:00:40 | warmi | hehe |
| 03:00:52 | Fatbum | any1 gotta link to this vnc business? |
| 03:00:56 | Fatbum | i would like to... |
| 03:00:59 | Fatbum | well whatever vnc is |
| 03:01:00 | Fatbum | hehe |
| 03:01:22 | warmi | I used frambuffer base vnc to control my zaurus from the desktop |
| 03:01:41 | warmi | he is talking about running it localy for the the hell of it :-) |
| 03:01:41 | treke | Fatbum: Scroll up, I posted the server ipkg. The client software for qtopia is called keypebble and is probably on handango and is definitly in opie |
| 03:02:01 | NST | Fatbum: just google, the first link is good |
| 03:02:29 | warmi | I think it is available at www.zauruszone.com/feed |
| 03:02:53 | warmi | you will also need zlib ipkg |
| 03:03:17 | Fatbum | how can i browse online pkgs on the zaurus |
| 03:03:20 | Fatbum | thru the cradle i mean |
| 03:03:33 | Fatbum | i have winproxy |
| 03:03:39 | Fatbum | so i just have to configure |
| 03:03:41 | Fatbum | win2k any1? |
| 03:03:44 | Fatbum | *shudders* |
| 03:04:14 | warmi | well, then simply configure your Z just like you would configure any desktop machine for using winproxy |
| 03:04:24 | Fatbum | hmm |
| 03:04:35 | Fatbum | i am arent reatarded |
| 03:04:37 | Fatbum | hehe |
| 03:04:59 | warmi | hmm .. well, maybe it is not THAT simple .. |
| 03:05:08 | Fatbum | nah im sure its easy |
| 03:05:23 | warmi | frankly, I am doing the same except I use regular (CF) network card .. |
| 03:05:39 | Fatbum | yeah |
| 03:05:45 | Fatbum | thatd be easy |
| 03:05:48 | Fatbum | cept i have no monees |
| 03:05:54 | Fatbum | any1 paypal benefit? |
| 03:05:57 | Fatbum | pls |
| 03:05:58 | warmi | the cradle and this whole syncing crap was working so eradically I couldn't stand it anymore |
| 03:06:15 | warmi | come on .. you can get ethernet CF card for about $40 |
| 03:06:24 | warmi | that's how much I paid for mine |
| 03:06:25 | Fatbum | where |
| 03:06:40 | warmi | it is not wireless |
| 03:06:44 | Fatbum | i know |
| 03:06:45 | Fatbum | where |
| 03:06:53 | warmi | hold on |
| 03:07:55 | Fatbum | cool |
| 03:08:53 | NST | argh, i suck at theming.. |
| 03:09:24 | Fatbum | arg wibndows sux |
| 03:09:40 | Fatbum | so where do i add as a source for the pkg deally |
| 03:09:41 | Fatbum | ? |
| 03:10:06 | [DrEvil] | someone kill Steven on the Dell Commercials |
| 03:10:20 | NST | can anyone recomend a nice windowmanager,, with lots of eye candy? |
| 03:10:28 | warmi | http://www.pagecomputers.com/cgi-bin/page/S0431784.html |
| 03:10:45 | warmi | $ 42.50 |
| 03:10:51 | warmi | works like a charm |
| 03:11:01 | [DrEvil] | well |
| 03:11:06 | [DrEvil] | Enlightenment has the most eye candy |
| 03:11:10 | [DrEvil] | heh |
| 03:11:12 | [DrEvil] | port it to the Z |
| 03:11:29 | [DrEvil] | it would take all of your RAM to start |
| 03:11:46 | NST | lol |
| 03:11:47 | warmi | I am sure Trolls will someday offer themability for Qtopia |
| 03:11:57 | warmi | then you can make it look anyway you want |
| 03:12:08 | NST | i hope so, cuz so far there are already a lot of themes for the yopy |
| 03:12:10 | warmi | even more outragous than Enlightenment |
| 03:12:38 | Fatbum | bad-a |
| 03:12:43 | warmi | ?? |
| 03:13:14 | [DrEvil] | there is some pretty slick stuff in the CVS Enlightenment |
| 03:13:23 | warmi | fatbum:I mean , after spending $500 for the device itself I sure you can afford $40 for the network card |
| 03:13:25 | NST | like? |
| 03:13:33 | [DrEvil] | alas it is a resource hog |
| 03:13:35 | [DrEvil] | evas |
| 03:13:51 | [DrEvil] | it supports 3D hardware acceleration |
| 03:13:59 | NST | wishes he was a multi billionare |
| 03:14:11 | [DrEvil] | hmmm |
| 03:14:12 | NST | then I could fly over to the US, and get a zaurus. |
| 03:14:17 | warmi | Enlightenment supports 3d hardware ???????? |
| 03:14:21 | Fatbum | they're cool |
| 03:14:26 | [DrEvil] | the CVS one does |
| 03:14:27 | [DrEvil] | e17 |
| 03:14:34 | NST | ah wait, they'll think i am a terrorist |
| 03:14:44 | warmi | wtf .. do you even need X server anymore ? |
| 03:14:49 | warmi | or does it come with one ? |
| 03:14:50 | warmi | hehe |
| 03:14:50 | [DrEvil] | it isn't ready for primetime though |
| 03:14:55 | NST | kewl |
| 03:14:58 | [DrEvil] | it is supposed to do almost everything |
| 03:15:06 | [DrEvil] | you wont need GNOME or KDE |
| 03:15:09 | NST | does it look better? |
| 03:15:16 | NST | are there any screenies? |
| 03:15:17 | [DrEvil] | it's pretty |
| 03:15:23 | warmi | NST: you can order one on the web .. no need to fly around |
| 03:15:24 | warmi | hehe |
| 03:15:38 | NST | yea.. |
| 03:15:56 | warmi | how about Japan ? |
| 03:16:12 | Fatbum | i cant get it to connect! |
| 03:16:14 | Fatbum | ARGH |
| 03:16:26 | warmi | don't they sell new Zs ? |
| 03:16:48 | NST | yea, well thats true, for $100 bux I go on a boat to japan and back, we are so close... |
| 03:17:31 | Fatbum | where you at nst? |
| 03:17:34 | Fatbum | australia? |
| 03:17:42 | NST | korea, |
| 03:17:47 | warmi | man , this is frigging XXI century NST .. there are means to order stuff without having to haul your ass to another country |
| 03:17:47 | NST | even closer :) |
| 03:17:48 | warmi | hehe |
| 03:17:51 | Fatbum | ya |
| 03:18:16 | [DrEvil] | http://www.enlightenment.org/pages/shots/dr17shot2-default-full.jpg |
| 03:18:21 | [DrEvil] | not a very exciting screenshot |
| 03:18:30 | [DrEvil] | build the CVS |
| 03:18:35 | [DrEvil] | at least until evas |
| 03:18:36 | Fatbum | nice |
| 03:18:40 | NST | ohhhhhhhhh |
| 03:18:42 | NST | nice!! |
| 03:18:50 | warmi | alpha icons with real time shading .. nice |
| 03:18:50 | NST | that transparency rocks! |
| 03:19:27 | [DrEvil] | evas has a kick ass demo program with it |
| 03:19:29 | warmi | well .. too bad I could never get used to E |
| 03:19:30 | Fatbum | usb sucks |
| 03:19:32 | Fatbum | ak |
| 03:19:36 | NST | i want mac OS X's gui, only faster... |
| 03:19:42 | [DrEvil] | if you have the video hardware you will be very impressed |
| 03:20:11 | warmi | well, yeah but it gets old after a while |
| 03:20:20 | warmi | and then all this glitter starts getting in the way |
| 03:21:18 | warmi | DrEvil: do you run E as your main WM ? |
| 03:21:23 | [DrEvil] | no |
| 03:21:58 | [DrEvil] | it's pretty |
| 03:22:02 | [DrEvil] | it's got eye candy |
| 03:22:17 | warmi | so what do you run ? |
| 03:22:29 | [DrEvil] | right now I am running sawfish |
| 03:22:34 | [DrEvil] | sometimes WindowMaker |
| 03:22:53 | warmi | long time ago I used to run NextStep .. |
| 03:23:11 | warmi | WindowMaker looks like NextStep ripoff |
| 03:23:14 | [DrEvil] | I remember trying to get OpenStep running on a Slowaris box |
| 03:23:16 | [DrEvil] | bleah |
| 03:23:21 | warmi | these days I run either KDE or IceWm |
| 03:23:25 | warmi | heheeh |
| 03:23:30 | warmi | OpenStep |
| 03:23:33 | NST | I use exclusivly WindowMaker |
| 03:23:46 | [DrEvil] | I still want a window manager with a swirling black hole for deleting files |
| 03:23:52 | Fatbum | hehe |
| 03:23:54 | NST | lol |
| 03:23:58 | nems | That would rule. :) |
| 03:23:58 | [DrEvil] | it was stupid of NeXT to drop that |
| 03:24:04 | nems | I didnt know next had it. |
| 03:24:05 | [DrEvil] | and put a recycle icon |
| 03:24:06 | NST | did they have that? |
| 03:24:08 | [DrEvil] | yes |
| 03:24:11 | NST | kewl |
| 03:24:12 | [DrEvil] | on the original version |
| 03:24:19 | nems | Can you get an old version and port it? |
| 03:24:27 | nems | WindowMaker is NeXT ish isnt it? |
| 03:24:29 | [DrEvil] | I'm sure someone can |
| 03:24:30 | NST | yea |
| 03:24:35 | warmi | nems: yeah |
| 03:24:50 | warmi | it has these big ass 64x64 icons all over place |
| 03:24:51 | warmi | heh |
| 03:25:03 | nems | lol |
| 03:25:05 | NST | warmi: you can make them smaller |
| 03:25:13 | warmi | yeah, I know |
| 03:25:15 | [DrEvil] | were you able to run applications in the dock? |
| 03:25:31 | NST | here is my current desktop http://teachkorea.netfirms.com/screenshot.jpg |
| 03:25:36 | NST | here is my current desktop http://teachkorea.netfirms.com/screenshot7.jpg |
| 03:25:44 | [DrEvil] | I just remember seeing app icons |
| 03:25:51 | [DrEvil] | but now apps like WindowMaker has |
| 03:26:19 | [DrEvil] | OpenStep was as much of a pain as CDE |
| 03:26:30 | warmi | right now I am running the best WM there is .. it has a nice [START] button and it is called Windows Explorer |
| 03:26:30 | [DrEvil] | when I see KDE I think CDE |
| 03:26:31 | warmi | hhe |
| 03:26:34 | [DrEvil] | *shudder* |
| 03:26:42 | nems | 1ewwwwwwww |
| 03:26:49 | warmi | KDE is nothing like CDE |
| 03:26:56 | [DrEvil] | it looks like it |
| 03:27:07 | [DrEvil] | at least KDE 1 did |
| 03:27:10 | warmi | well, not really .. it looks more like a windows desktop |
| 03:27:37 | warmi | CDE was famous for that nasty , useless big floating taskbar |
| 03:27:43 | [DrEvil] | yeah |
| 03:27:50 | [DrEvil] | try adding an icon to it |
| 03:27:54 | warmi | heh .. |
| 03:27:54 | [DrEvil] | you had to edit like 10 files |
| 03:27:55 | nems | I know theKompany's stuff is tkc<Appname> whats the tkc stand for? is it actually a tk app? |
| 03:28:09 | warmi | you might as well write your own WM if you want to do that |
| 03:28:22 | [DrEvil] | Motif was nice |
| 03:28:25 | [DrEvil] | it just got old |
| 03:28:27 | [DrEvil] | and pricy |
| 03:28:33 | warmi | and slow .. |
| 03:28:34 | warmi | hehe |
| 03:28:38 | [DrEvil] | that too |
| 03:28:41 | [DrEvil] | but hey |
| 03:28:46 | warmi | well, it didn't get slow .. it was always like that :-) |
| 03:28:48 | [DrEvil] | I had it on a PDA |
| 03:28:57 | [DrEvil] | anything OSF is slow |
| 03:29:01 | warmi | huh |
| 03:29:21 | [DrEvil] | huh? |
| 03:29:21 | Fatbum | fuckin winsuck |
| 03:29:25 | Fatbum | gotta 'restart' |
| 03:29:28 | Fatbum | whatever that shit means |
| 03:29:31 | Fatbum | lousy os |
| 03:29:47 | [DrEvil] | I loved OS/2's desktop |
| 03:29:55 | [DrEvil] | all the nice objects |
| 03:29:57 | [DrEvil] | true objects |
| 03:30:06 | [DrEvil] | not this bullshit msft is pushing |
| 03:30:08 | warmi | it is not Windows that sucks .. it is Sharp drivers and Qtopia syncing app |
| 03:30:43 | [DrEvil] | file name extension association is bad |
| 03:30:54 | warmi | DrEvil: I tried to install OS/2 once ... and it did install but then I spend 5 hours trying to get my lan card to work and finally got so pissed I went back to Win95 |
| 03:31:05 | [DrEvil] | heh |
| 03:31:09 | [DrEvil] | it always worked for me |
| 03:31:20 | [DrEvil] | I made sure everything I had was compatiable |
| 03:31:37 | warmi | well, it did for some people but it was famous for being very picky as far as hardware is concerned |
| 03:32:02 | warmi | and not like I had some wierd nic .. just a lovely NE2000 clone |
| 03:32:13 | [DrEvil] | it was able to find the slightest flaw in dram |
| 03:32:39 | warmi | JasonNJ use to be a big fish in OS/2 community |
| 03:32:59 | warmi | I think he used to run that (in)famous OS2 team or whatever it was called |
| 03:33:07 | [DrEvil] | Team OS/2 |
| 03:33:10 | warmi | yeah |
| 03:33:45 | warmi | I asked him once about that but he wasn't very talktative hehe |
| 03:33:50 | [DrEvil] | I went after IBM on OS/2 2.0 |
| 03:34:03 | [DrEvil] | 2.0 was a POS |
| 03:34:06 | warmi | talkative |
| 03:34:13 | [DrEvil] | It was unstable on an IBM computer Ihad |
| 03:34:21 | [DrEvil] | you would have thought it would have worked fine |
| 03:34:23 | warmi | what year was that ? |
| 03:34:29 | [DrEvil] | it came pre-installed with OS.2 |
| 03:34:35 | [DrEvil] | around 1992 I think |
| 03:34:46 | [DrEvil] | so I read IBM their EULA |
| 03:35:00 | [DrEvil] | and they sent me an upgrade to 2.1 |
| 03:35:08 | nems | So anyone know? ;p |
| 03:35:17 | [DrEvil] | know what? |
| 03:35:29 | nems | If theKompany tkc stuff is actually tk stuff? |
| 03:35:30 | warmi | so you never really had a pleasure to taste Windows 3.11 family of products ? |
| 03:35:31 | warmi | heeh |
| 03:35:35 | nems | Or is it just called tkc? |
| 03:35:40 | warmi | nems: no :-) |
| 03:35:43 | [DrEvil] | The Kompany.Com |
| 03:35:44 | warmi | it is just called tkc |
| 03:35:44 | nems | thank you :) |
| 03:35:49 | nems | Oh. duh. |
| 03:35:57 | warmi | these are pure C++ Qt based products |
| 03:35:58 | nems | Thanks... I'm a little slow sometimes. ;p |
| 03:36:07 | nems | Ok.. new question. Should I learn C or C++? |
| 03:36:09 | NST | anyone tried freeciv? |
| 03:36:09 | [DrEvil] | I use windows 3.0 and above |
| 03:36:11 | nems | I know enough of both to be dangerous. |
| 03:36:11 | warmi | I wouldn't want to run tk on my zaurus |
| 03:36:14 | nems | Yes actually.. freeciv rocks. |
| 03:36:18 | [DrEvil] | learn C first |
| 03:36:19 | NST | kewl |
| 03:36:22 | nems | I used to chat with the founder of FreeCiv a lot. |
| 03:36:27 | nems | He's the founder of #linux on dalnet. |
| 03:36:33 | nems | Sometimes he's cool.. most of the time he's a dick though. :) |
| 03:36:38 | [DrEvil] | C++ will drive you crazy as a starter language |
| 03:36:45 | NST | heh |
| 03:36:49 | nems | [DrEvil] : ok.. second question. whats a good book? The cow book sucks. |
| 03:36:52 | nems | Well.. I'm a perl person. |
| 03:37:02 | [DrEvil] | get a D&D book |
| 03:37:08 | nems | a D&D book? |
| 03:37:11 | [DrEvil] | perl is scripted |
| 03:37:15 | warmi | I started with asm back in 1988 .. then moved to C and later to C++ .. C++ was the hardest to pick up |
| 03:37:17 | [DrEvil] | C is compiled |
| 03:37:18 | nems | Yes.. but thats what I do now ;p |
| 03:37:19 | nems | Is perl |
| 03:37:22 | warmi | at least OO concepts were |
| 03:37:23 | nems | I know the difference.. I'm not that dumb :) |
| 03:37:31 | nems | My perl is very modularized. |
| 03:37:35 | nems | I'm not sure if thats the same thing... |
| 03:37:53 | [DrEvil] | most C books are punny |
| 03:37:56 | [DrEvil] | literally |
| 03:38:03 | warmi | nems: perl CANNOT be "very" in anything .. except maybe in very crappy |
| 03:38:03 | [DrEvil] | catalin: How To Program |
| 03:38:04 | warmi | hehe |
| 03:38:06 | nems | [DrEvil] : I've been a linux admin for a long while... And I know enough C to be dangerous... Thats about it though. |
| 03:38:17 | nems | Perl? Very crappy? You're joking, right? |
| 03:38:17 | [DrEvil] | errr |
| 03:38:22 | [DrEvil] | C how to program |
| 03:38:31 | [DrEvil] | damn nick completion |
| 03:38:36 | nems | lol |
| 03:38:44 | [DrEvil] | Deitel & Deitel |
| 03:38:51 | warmi | nems: yeah, it is for me in my line of work .. I am sure it is usefull for sys admins though |
| 03:38:58 | nems | Ok.. I dont know that one. I'm thinking of the K&R book. |
| 03:39:02 | [DrEvil] | Ruby is supposed to be nice |
| 03:39:12 | [DrEvil] | this is one of my college texts |
| 03:39:16 | nems | I've never really used Ruby. Perl is great for admin stuff though. |
| 03:39:25 | nems | And right now I work doing web app stuff. |
| 03:39:27 | nems | Sorta. |
| 03:39:28 | [DrEvil] | Ruby is really OO |
| 03:40:06 | nems | Well.. anything in our perl scripts that can be used anywhere else is in its own module... like I said, I dunno if thats consider OO or not though...? |
| 03:40:39 | NST | man, I am hungry,, I haven't eaten anything today.. |
| 03:40:48 | nems | [DrEvil] : is the D&D book easy to read through? Like I said, I know enough to be dangerous, so going through the first few chapters sucks... ;) |
| 03:40:51 | warmi | well, it is as much OO as C |
| 03:41:12 | [DrEvil] | it's pretty easy to read |
| 03:41:39 | warmi | seriously nems .... if you know Perl then C should be easy to learn |
| 03:41:43 | nems | On a side note... how the hell do I get today to NOT pop up every time I turn it on, if there's nothing in the list? |
| 03:42:24 | nems | warmi: Its a motivation thing.. partly. Reading through some books is just soooo freaking boring. And if I dont have a project to apply it to, it makes it even harder. |
| 03:44:12 | warmi | yeah, that's true |
| 03:44:34 | warmi | well, as a sysadmin you should have plenty of time |
| 03:44:36 | warmi | :-) |
| 03:44:40 | NST | hehehe, fortune : "IBM, it may be slow, but its hard to use" :)) |
| 03:44:50 | warmi | hehe |
| 03:44:55 | nems | Well.. I'm not a sysadmin atm. I'm a web programmer... which sucks. Its for a large government agency. ;p |
| 03:45:23 | nems | holy crap. |
| 03:45:28 | BigBoss | is there a date function in qte that works better than QDate? |
| 03:45:32 | nems | the deitel & deitel book is 76 bucks. I hate buying computer books. ;) |
| 03:45:38 | BigBoss | in other words goes back before the linux start date |
| 03:46:02 | warmi | you mean before the epoch ? |
| 03:46:03 | warmi | hehe |
| 03:46:12 | BigBoss | 1970 |
| 03:46:19 | [DrEvil] | college textbooks are |
| 03:46:22 | [DrEvil] | 'spensive |
| 03:46:22 | warmi | I don't think so .. you would have to get yourself specialized date class |
| 03:47:03 | nems | Why would you need one to? Out of curiousity? |
| 03:47:23 | BigBoss | just to effeciently display older calendars |
| 03:47:38 | warmi | BBoss: QDate can go Returns the year (>= 1752) of this date. |
| 03:48:02 | warmi | well, that copy& paste did not work exactly as I planned but you get the idea |
| 03:48:17 | BigBoss | hmm - I need to check this |
| 03:48:51 | warmi | Note that QDate may not be used for date calculations for dates in the remote past, i.e. prior to the introduction of the Gregorian calendar. This calendar was adopted by England Sep. 14. 1752 (hence this is the earliest valid QDate), and subsequently by most other western countries, until 1923. |
| 03:48:58 | warmi | There is your answer |
| 03:49:24 | BigBoss | thanks |
| 03:49:55 | warmi | I thought you said you don't code anymore .. |
| 03:49:56 | warmi | hehe |
| 03:50:38 | BigBoss | not a whole lot, but I still have to check into things |
| 03:51:24 | warmi | nems: if you have any more questions about tkc stuff BB is the guy to ask :-) |
| 03:51:25 | [DrEvil] | all bosses have to watch over everyone's back |
| 03:51:33 | warmi | he runs theKompany |
| 03:51:34 | warmi | heh |
| 03:52:09 | [DrEvil] | or so he would have you believe |
| 03:52:33 | BigBoss | was nems asking? |
| 03:52:39 | warmi | well, yeah .. but he has been claiming that for a while now so we kind of started to believe him by now |
| 03:53:05 | warmi | hehe .. he was asking if tkc stand for tk toolkit :-) |
| 03:53:41 | BigBoss | ah - thekompanycom |
| 03:53:43 | BigBoss | tkc |
| 03:53:59 | warmi | I guess he was afraid your stuff was coded in tk :-) |
| 03:54:04 | [DrEvil] | I was right |
| 03:54:10 | warmi | we told him it was pure C++ |
| 03:54:15 | BigBoss | warmi: where was that information from you gave me? |
| 03:54:21 | BigBoss | god save me from tcl/tk |
| 03:54:22 | BigBoss | :) |
| 03:54:34 | warmi | standard docs for QDate |
| 03:54:46 | [DrEvil] | it would take a fortnight for something in tk to run on the Z |
| 03:54:53 | warmi | http://www.warmi.net/httpd/html/qt-2.3/qdate.html |
| 03:55:36 | warmi | DrEvil: heheh |
| 03:55:48 | warmi | yeah, tcl is not known for excessive speed |
| 03:56:09 | [DrEvil] | it would be worse than watching my Z trying to load all my NFS mounted MP3s |
| 03:57:18 | [DrEvil] | I almost thought it had started to smoke |
| 03:57:47 | warmi | I was trying to do just that |
| 03:58:02 | warmi | how hard is to set up NFS ? |
| 03:58:27 | warmi | I am using samba to connect to the zaurus from my Windows/Linux box but I would like to mount external drives on my Z |
| 04:01:06 | [DrEvil] | NFS is easy to setup compared to smb on the Z |
| 04:01:29 | [DrEvil] | I am still trying to figure out how to get the Z to mount smb shares |
| 04:01:45 | warmi | I don't think Z will mount smb shares |
| 04:02:05 | [DrEvil] | someone said they got it to work using debian arm packages |
| 04:02:05 | warmi | you can mount Z filesystem on your desktop but not the other way around |
| 04:02:38 | warmi | to mount external filesystem you would have to have smbfilesystem installed which is a kernel module |
| 04:02:55 | BigBoss | warmi: thanks for the link |
| 04:03:15 | [DrEvil] | there are smbfs packages |
| 04:03:17 | warmi | I know people use smbbrowser which is sort of like ftp client for the smb but it won't let you mount external drives |
| 04:03:25 | warmi | BB: no problem |
| 04:03:43 | [DrEvil] | hang on |
| 04:03:43 | warmi | DrEvil: ipkg for the Zaurus ? |
| 04:03:56 | [DrEvil] | I am looking for the link |
| 04:04:13 | [DrEvil] | for the ipaq |
| 04:04:39 | warmi | yeah but will it work with ZAurus kernel ? |
| 04:04:49 | [DrEvil] | http://www.zauruszone.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard.cgi?s=3ce936a04aa3ffff;act=ST;f=3;t=138;hl=smb |
| 04:04:53 | warmi | it is not use space program |
| 04:05:05 | [DrEvil] | look at the second to last post |
| 04:05:35 | warmi | hmm .. yeah .. |
| 04:05:37 | warmi | "Install smbcommon and smbfs packages from Debian for the arm. Works like a champ" |
| 04:05:41 | warmi | interesting |
| 04:05:56 | [DrEvil] | heh |
| 04:06:12 | [DrEvil] | Debian stable probably uses the same kernel version that the Z does |
| 04:06:40 | warmi | he says run "At a shell, run dpkg-deb -xX <package.deb> This extracts the contents of the file. |
| 04:06:41 | warmi | " |
| 04:06:49 | warmi | at Zaurus shell ?? |
| 04:06:53 | [DrEvil] | yes |
| 04:07:02 | [DrEvil] | dpkg-deb is a command on the Z |
| 04:07:03 | [DrEvil] | amazing |
| 04:07:07 | warmi | does it support debs ? |
| 04:07:09 | [DrEvil] | I am scared of it |
| 04:07:10 | [DrEvil] | yes |
| 04:07:23 | [DrEvil] | I no like Debian |
| 04:07:49 | [DrEvil] | it gives me gas |
| 04:07:55 | warmi | heh |
| 04:08:16 | warmi | have you tried that yet ? |
| 04:08:23 | [DrEvil] | not yet |
| 04:08:26 | [DrEvil] | like I said |
| 04:08:30 | [DrEvil] | I am scared of debian |
| 04:08:52 | [DrEvil] | i'm waiting for my desire to mount SMB on the Z to overcome my fear of Debian |
| 04:08:56 | [DrEvil] | or...loathing |
| 04:09:00 | [DrEvil] | not really fear |
| 04:09:16 | warmi | heh |
| 04:10:02 | [DrEvil] | being able to browse smb stuff would be nice to include in an all in one wlan sniffing package |
| 04:10:22 | warmi | are writing something like that ? |
| 04:10:28 | [DrEvil] | no |
| 04:10:34 | nems | 1Debian is the best. |
| 04:10:41 | [DrEvil] | bleah |
| 04:10:44 | [DrEvil] | bite your tounge |
| 04:10:46 | warmi | whoa .. nems woke up |
| 04:10:50 | warmi | ehe |
| 04:10:52 | nems | I'm afkish :) did I miss somethin? |
| 04:10:53 | [DrEvil] | damn debian beatniks |
| 04:10:58 | nems | Beatnik?! |
| 04:11:06 | nems | I'm a tree hugging granola eatin' hippy, damnit. |
| 04:11:09 | nems | Beatnik... Psshhhht. |
| 04:11:09 | W|GGL|T | hehe |
| 04:11:13 | [DrEvil] | yeah |
| 04:11:17 | warmi | you missed nothing .. we just were bashing Debian |
| 04:11:19 | [DrEvil] | let me find Xach's page |
| 04:11:19 | warmi | that's all |
| 04:15:01 | [DrEvil] | nems: you should install Lesbian |
| 04:17:24 | zauroaster | does anyone use the Socket 802.11b card? |
| 04:17:59 | zauroaster | and if so, does it work on Win2k with a CF->PC Card adapter? |
| 04:28:05 | nems | Lesbian? lol |
| 04:31:52 | [DrEvil] | yeah |
| 04:32:02 | [DrEvil] | it's a debian based distro that is suited for porn |
| 04:33:05 | [DrEvil] | it has porn-get |
| 04:34:50 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 04:37:01 | nems | lmao |
| 04:37:11 | nems | But how well does porn-get work? :) It should be pr0n-get |
| 04:38:14 | [DrEvil] | unfortunately...the link isn't working |
| 04:38:37 | [DrEvil] | http://www.linuks.mine.nu/porn-get/ |
| 04:38:44 | [DrEvil] | see if it works for you |
| 04:49:34 | shoe | so does wlan definitively work with OZbeta10? |
| 04:49:43 | shoe | (I have yet to ever get wlan to work on any version of OZ) |
| 04:52:35 | NST | lol, i just got back/ "lesbian" LMAO |
| 04:59:00 | warmi | you were right DrEvil .. |
| 04:59:05 | warmi | I got smbfs working |
| 05:00:17 | [DrEvil] | was it tough? |
| 05:01:09 | warmi | no |
| 05:01:18 | [DrEvil] | is it ugly? |
| 05:01:28 | warmi | nah ... it mounted right away |
| 05:01:40 | warmi | the only problem si that you need to install two additional libraries |
| 05:01:46 | warmi | libreadline |
| 05:01:49 | warmi | and libpam |
| 05:01:52 | [DrEvil] | yeah |
| 05:01:55 | [DrEvil] | that's debian for you |
| 05:02:02 | warmi | and make soft link from ncurses lib to ncurses.5 |
| 05:02:22 | warmi | anyway, works great .. thanks for the link |
| 05:02:30 | [DrEvil] | no prob |
| 05:02:35 | [DrEvil] | maybe I will try it |
| 05:02:49 | [DrEvil] | we need something like gnomba |
| 05:03:08 | warmi | what is that .. a smb browser ? |
| 05:03:14 | [DrEvil] | yeah |
| 05:03:31 | [DrEvil] | it checks all hosts on a given subnet |
| 05:03:35 | warmi | well, yeah it would be usefull |
| 05:03:51 | warmi | I am happy just with ability to mount my server shares on the Zaurus |
| 05:04:09 | [DrEvil] | cool |
| 05:04:31 | [DrEvil] | set up nfs too |
| 05:04:52 | [DrEvil] | I see autofs stuff on the Z |
| 05:04:56 | [DrEvil] | I need to look into that |
| 05:05:03 | [DrEvil] | if that worked, it would rule |
| 05:05:17 | warmi | yeah, a lot of cool precompiled binaries for ARm arch |
| 05:05:27 | warmi | see you later folks |
| 05:05:28 | warmi | bye |
| 05:05:33 | [DrEvil] | buh-bye |
| 05:18:45 | nems | [DrEvil] : It times out :( |
| 05:19:14 | [DrEvil] | oh well |
| 05:24:14 | NeoTron | fuck it |
| 05:24:31 | NeoTron | I hate that apps sometimes / often leave the "icon" for no good reason and then pop up by themselves |
| 05:24:37 | NeoTron | it's like randoim whether or not it happens |
| 05:41:24 | | faq is, like, at http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/zaurus-faq/ or at http://www.handhelds.org/handhelds-faq/handhelds-faq.html or at http://adorphuye.com/zaurus/java/faq.jsp |
| 05:41:24 | NeoTron | ibot faq |
| 06:09:48 | W|GGL|T | is away: I'm busy smoking a blunt or sleeping or something |
| 06:20:06 | codemnky | boo |
| 06:24:30 | NeoTron | annoying it is |
| 06:28:07 | codemnky | yep |
| 06:52:08 | arrrg | is there a wireless broadband modem for CF slot? |
| 07:11:05 | NeoTron | aw hell! |
| 07:11:05 | NeoTron | this is sucky icky yucky |
| 07:11:15 | Rince | hm? |
| 07:11:38 | NeoTron | when I exit the SDL (Qtopia) program using return (0) it doesn't "die" |
| 07:11:42 | NeoTron | if I use exit(0) it works |
| 07:18:16 | arrrg | I am useing Kdeveloper, and I have a new Qt project and I put some SDL stuff in there, but now it doesn't know where SDL.h is |
| 07:34:40 | whardier | anybody awake and running doze? |
| 07:44:12 | MSpin | is awake, but not for long |
| 09:08:53 | mark | anyone got tkcAddressbook? |
| 09:10:51 | N0Remorse | ljp |
| 09:11:15 | N0Remorse | doh |
| 09:36:41 | somazero | Has anyone installed perl on their Z? |
| 10:09:44 | Piete | when you are using a zaurus for normal things, like entering an address, as what user are you logged in? |
| 10:10:05 | Rince | root |
| 10:10:27 | somazero | Hmm...Why can I link some stuff?.... |
| 10:10:49 | somazero | I am trying to do, for example: ln -s /mnt/cf/bin/ssh /mnt/cf/test/ssh |
| 10:10:57 | somazero | and I get an Operation not permitted.. |
| 10:11:13 | Piete | Why root?? |
| 10:11:17 | somazero | Why would it give me this? |
| 10:11:19 | Piete | isnt that dangerous? |
| 10:13:21 | Piete | ? |
| 10:13:51 | somazero | Unless you're in a terminal...or a file manager...I don't think you can do damage |
| 10:14:09 | somazero | but what I can't understand is why I can't link a couple of files... |
| 10:14:10 | somazero | :( |
| 10:14:16 | surge | somazero: a cf card actually mounted? |
| 10:14:24 | somazero | surge: Yeas |
| 10:14:28 | somazero | yes |
| 10:14:29 | somazero | >) |
| 10:14:31 | somazero | :) |
| 10:15:25 | somazero | surge: is that not good? |
| 10:15:28 | surge | Piete: whats the worst that can happen? you loose your data. boohoo |
| 10:15:41 | surge | its only a pda |
| 10:16:18 | somazero | surge: got any idea why that wouldn't work? |
| 10:16:38 | surge | somazero: try cd /mnt/cf; ln -s bin/ssh test/ssh |
| 10:17:09 | surge | somazero: oh yeah, cf cards are dos formatted, they dont support symbolic links |
| 10:17:34 | somazero | surge: Can I reformat them? |
| 10:17:46 | surge | somazero: i think so |
| 10:17:50 | somazero | :) |
| 10:18:05 | surge | but that would make the card unusable on all other devices |
| 10:18:11 | Twiun | somazero: it's because the filesystem on CF/SD is FAT by default |
| 10:18:25 | Twiun | no symlinking on FAT filesystems |
| 10:18:44 | Piete | lol |
| 10:18:47 | Twiun | doh... just scrolled up... someone already answered ;-) |
| 10:18:49 | Piete | fat sux |
| 10:18:49 | somazero | Yeah, makes sense...but, I mean, to me, I think it would be better if I had an ext2 |
| 10:18:59 | somazero | :) |
| 10:19:05 | surge | ...because the other devices have inferior operating systems. haha! |
| 10:19:07 | Twiun | somazero: Yeah, but like surge said... |
| 10:19:09 | somazero | I don't use fat for anything anyway..:) |
| 10:19:13 | somazero | Yeah...I hear ya... |
| 10:19:23 | somazero | Don't plan on using it in anything else though..:) |
| 10:19:31 | Twiun | In that case, go for it |
| 10:19:44 | Piete | is it possible to play smmall DivX files? |
| 10:20:12 | surge | Piete: i heard someone is working on a dixv player, but not yet |
| 10:20:23 | surge | divx |
| 10:20:26 | Piete | kewl |
| 10:20:48 | Piete | I saw someone running xine on a Yopy, I wonder if it will work on the Z.. |
| 10:21:00 | Piete | prolly not without some hacking... |
| 10:22:02 | surge | hmm, i think yopy has same cpu. you can probably give it a shot |
| 10:22:22 | surge | or do they use sh3s? |
| 10:23:27 | Piete | i think its the same, the only prob is I think xine needs X, so either I will need to install x, or make it use fbdev (with no gui support) |
| 10:26:43 | surge | theres X for zaurus already, but id recommend porting to use the qt framebuffer |
| 10:26:54 | surge | that would be much faster |
| 10:28:51 | somazero | SWEET...:)...I've got perl 5.6.1 installed now...:) Nothing like having perl on a PDA...:) |
| 10:29:00 | whardier | hi |
| 10:30:40 | surge | yeah, immensely useful |
| 10:31:13 | Piete | somazero kewl |
| 10:31:33 | somazero | It's useful for the geek factor alone...:) |
| 10:33:06 | Piete | hows python on the Z? |
| 10:36:16 | surge | alone being the operative word |
| 10:41:40 | Twiun | hey whardier - going to do your phone call now? |
| 10:48:15 | GEPM | if I sell my IIIc, I will have $600 in total available to get a Z,,, Do you guys think I should do it?? |
| 10:57:39 | Twiun | depends on your needs |
| 10:58:00 | Twiun | what would you use it for? |
| 10:58:03 | GEPM | I am just a guy who loves gadgets |
| 10:58:29 | GEPM | And I am a little tired of the palms |
| 10:59:01 | Twiun | would you use is purely as a pda or for other things? |
| 10:59:22 | GEPM | more for other things than for a pda.. |
| 10:59:22 | Twiun | the Z should really be viewed as a mirco computer as opposed to a pda |
| 10:59:36 | Twiun | s/mirco/micro/ |
| 11:00:05 | GEPM | yea. I've been reading some BB's, and so far I like what I hear.. |
| 11:01:29 | GEPM | I just love fideling with stuff :) |
| 11:05:22 | GEPM | brb |
| 11:44:27 | surge | gack |
| 11:44:38 | surge | why does transfers to my cf card keep crashing my zaurus? |
| 13:11:47 | Twiun | surge: tried using fsck on your cf card? |
| 13:16:51 | surge | Twiun: not lately. but it happened the first time i put it in too. |
| 13:16:58 | surge | ill check it out... |
| 13:18:17 | surge | hell, what device is it? |
| 13:18:43 | ljp | its /dev/hda1 I think.. look in /etc/fstab |
| 13:20:02 | surge | hmm, weird. |
| 13:20:11 | surge | # dosfsck /dev/hda1 |
| 13:20:14 | surge | dosfsck 2.8, 28 Feb 2001, FAT32, LFN |
| 13:20:14 | surge | Reclaimed 2865 unused clusters (5867520 bytes). |
| 13:20:14 | surge | Leaving file system unchanged. |
| 13:21:40 | surge | ah needs a switch |
| 13:22:39 | ljp | darned fat fs |
| 13:23:25 | surge | ah heh, thats the reordering the fs? damn i forgot about that i havent used fat for so long. |
| 13:25:31 | surge | hell |
| 13:25:36 | surge | it did it again |
| 13:25:41 | surge | right after fsck |
| 13:25:52 | surge | the card is bad maybe? |
| 13:26:01 | surge | does this happen to anyone else? |
| 13:26:10 | Rince | not to me |
| 13:28:00 | ljp | I had a fat fs on a cd so recursively messed up I had to reformat |
| 13:28:07 | ljp | err cf |
| 13:30:43 | surge | well this one looks clean - dosfsck doesnt report anything serious |
| 13:34:10 | ljp | needs another stylus |
| 13:40:46 | nemui-chan | Hey guys. |
| 13:40:49 | surge | ARGH! |
| 13:40:59 | nemui-chan | blinks. |
| 13:41:51 | Rince | and another bug in tkcAddressBook... :-) |
| 13:42:55 | surge | hmm, is there a way to cap the usb tranfser rate (linux on desktop too)? |
| 13:43:29 | nemui-chan | Cap it? Why would you want to? |
| 13:43:32 | surge | this is really strange... after it barfs about 4 times or so, its fine |
| 13:43:48 | surge | nemui-chan: transfers to my cf card are causing hangs and resets |
| 13:44:02 | surge | i suspect its a usb timing problem |
| 13:44:35 | nemui-chan | Ahhh. |
| 13:44:40 | nemui-chan | Very odd... |
| 13:47:21 | JasonNJ | morning |
| 13:49:43 | ljp | hey JasonNJ, how goes it? |
| 13:57:30 | BigBoss | hey rikkus |
| 13:57:38 | BigBoss | rince: what bug? |
| 13:58:16 | Guest | hello? |
| 13:58:31 | BigBoss | I see we have a tkcJabber user |
| 13:58:46 | Guest | hehe a confused one |
| 13:59:11 | Guest | could you help? |
| 14:00:00 | bobstay | gah... I just updated my rom to 1.13... how the *$%^ do you use the irda stuff? |
| 14:00:26 | BigBoss | what's your question? |
| 14:01:20 | Guest | ijust got this ancant figur out how to get my icq contacts and icq working |
| 14:01:57 | BigBoss | are you Margot |
| 14:01:59 | BigBoss | ? |
| 14:02:01 | Guest | also why i am a guest when iregistered |
| 14:02:06 | Guest | hehe yes |
| 14:02:36 | BigBoss | I don't have my wireless set up right now so I can't really walk you through it. I know you can change it, and do it, I was doing it before, but it's been a while since I set it up |
| 14:02:53 | BigBoss | I referred your question to the lead engineer to get a more direct answer, then we'll add it to the FAQ |
| 14:03:07 | Guest | thanks |
| 14:03:15 | bobstay | am I stupid, or does the "Internet Wizard" actually give you no option to *dial* the connection you create? |
| 14:04:15 | Guest | how do i set nick in here? is it like regular irc? /msg nickserc etc |
| 14:04:27 | bobstay | /nick <newnick> |
| 14:04:49 | BigBoss | there are a number of IRC commands that aren't supported by the irc-transport, which we have no control over |
| 14:05:33 | Guest | ack its beeping at me! |
| 14:05:49 | bobstay | I take it I'm stupid then. |
| 14:06:03 | bobstay | hunts for the ppp "dial" option without resorting to command-line stuff |
| 14:07:01 | Guest | ok /nick doesnt work ...bob never did dialup ..using wireless att home atm |
| 14:07:09 | bobstay | kay |
| 14:08:50 | bobstay | fantastic.... myzaurus.com handholds you through the bit I've done - putting in the dial-up settings... Nowhere does it tell you how to *dial* |
| 14:09:12 | MSpin | hey kergoth |
| 14:09:38 | kergoth | re |
| 14:09:40 | kergoth | how goes it |
| 14:09:53 | CloudChaser | hehe hiya |
| 14:09:58 | benmeyer | kergoth |
| 14:10:10 | benmeyer | the please wait dialog is built into the sharp apps |
| 14:10:17 | benmeyer | lets incorperate it into the opie lib |
| 14:10:22 | kergoth | yep |
| 14:10:26 | benmeyer | so we can re-use it |
| 14:10:26 | kergoth | figured we'd want to do that. |
| 14:10:27 | benmeyer | :-) |
| 14:10:34 | CloudChaser | ok got the nick going |
| 14:10:53 | MSpin | kergoth: I woke up an hr early |
| 14:10:53 | benmeyer | I have made one for the Tab manager |
| 14:11:17 | HrAbbey | bobstay: I've no idea, but did you check under Net & Sync settings? |
| 14:11:32 | bobstay | I did, yes |
| 14:11:44 | bobstay | it gives you a nice list of the services you have set up |
| 14:11:49 | bobstay | and add/remove/properties |
| 14:11:54 | bobstay | no "dial" button though |
| 14:11:59 | kergoth | benmeyer: ah |
| 14:12:01 | kergoth | MSpin: what for? |
| 14:12:15 | benmeyer | Anyone know how to get the language via qt calls? i.e. en, de etc |
| 14:13:09 | HrAbbey | It's not dial-up on demand, is it? |
| 14:13:14 | kergoth | wades back into kernel space |
| 14:13:49 | bobstay | hm |
| 14:14:38 | kergoth | While I'm in the framebuffer driver, any volunteers to add subpixel rendering? |
| 14:14:39 | kergoth | heh |
| 14:16:09 | MSpin | kergoth: no reason, my body just woke up an houre before my alarm went off |
| 14:16:17 | kergoth | MSpin: oh i hate that |
| 14:16:24 | n59610713 | hmm |
| 14:16:54 | ljp | kergoth: did you see those opie mails from sharp Germany? |
| 14:17:22 | ljp | groucho called him, and now that sales guy thinks opie is groucho's company |
| 14:17:38 | kergoth | lol |
| 14:17:44 | kergoth | opie, llc |
| 14:17:51 | ljp | I asked groucho for a raise |
| 14:18:09 | ljp | heheheh groucho, CTO Opie, llc |
| 14:18:14 | kergoth | hehe |
| 14:18:57 | HrAbbey | Bobstay: Tried it and found it! Icon on taskbar to dial. |
| 14:19:03 | bobstay | oh! |
| 14:19:11 | bobstay | hah! |
| 14:19:15 | bobstay | wondered what that was! |
| 14:19:36 | bobstay | thanks |
| 14:19:50 | HrAbbey | I wonder if I can set this up for a null-modem, in cradle, ppp setup. |
| 14:20:04 | bobstay | has an irda cellphone ;) |
| 14:20:14 | bobstay | you have a serial cradle? |
| 14:21:03 | MSpin | kergoth: I added a bunch of bugs to the sf.net bug tracker last night. kistmet nearly works great tho:) |
| 14:21:12 | HrAbbey | Nope, usb, using usb->serial driver. |
| 14:21:16 | kergoth | MSpin: thanks, ill work on em when i can |
| 14:21:18 | bobstay | aye |
| 14:21:21 | kergoth | HrAbbey: ppp over serial over usb works fine |
| 14:21:33 | bobstay | I want to get hold of a serial cable for my GPS |
| 14:21:42 | HrAbbey | kergoth: cmd line I know, but with the gui ? |
| 14:21:44 | kergoth | MSpin: yeah i was having some fun with kismet yesterday.. found 4 networks within digi, two of which dont comply with the configuration rules established by MIS.. lol.. |
| 14:21:50 | kergoth | HrAbbey: ah not certain |
| 14:22:39 | MSpin | heheh |
| 14:22:48 | | scanline was last seen on #tuxscreen 21 hours, 31 minutes and 47 seconds ago, saying: is back (gone 09:22:48) [Tue May 21 17:51:01 2002] |
| 14:22:48 | kergoth | ibot: seen scanline? |
| 14:23:03 | kergoth | hm |
| 14:23:19 | kergoth | we need smoothing in the touchscreen driver. the jitter drives me nuts |
| 14:24:53 | ljp | isnt it the same way on the Sharp rom? |
| 14:25:04 | kergoth | yeh |
| 14:30:46 | benmeyer | kergoth: when internationalizing qtopia how do you find out what the current language is? |
| 14:31:33 | kergoth | benmeyer: you dont need to. or at least shouldnt. |
| 14:32:51 | benmeyer | the tab manager |
| 14:32:57 | benmeyer | when editing comments for example |
| 14:33:05 | benmeyer | in germany they are under Comment[de]=foo |
| 14:33:12 | benmeyer | and not Comment=foo |
| 14:33:25 | kergoth | ah |
| 14:33:27 | kergoth | gotcha |
| 14:33:29 | kergoth | brb, meeting. |
| 14:33:37 | Rince | Big: missing entries in the "Countries"-Field and more localization issues :-) |
| 14:34:09 | bobstay | has anyone succeeded in changing the text in Qt's tabs once they're created? |
| 14:34:49 | benmeyer | via tabmanager? |
| 14:35:13 | benmeyer | I made tabmanager so if you have a bug let me know |
| 14:35:54 | nemui-chan | bleh. I forgot my cardreader. |
| 14:38:05 | HrAbbey | benmeyer: I just changed Jeode -> Java and Palm w/o problem. |
| 14:38:10 | BigBoss | rince: darn localization |
| 14:38:13 | Rince | :-) |
| 14:38:20 | Rince | I know I am a bad guy there :-) |
| 14:41:14 | CloudChaser | hello |
| 14:45:38 | benmeyer | kergoth: is tab manager in opie? |
| 14:45:43 | benmeyer | does it work? |
| 14:45:54 | benmeyer | Any idea where it might be breaking? |
| 14:45:58 | MSpin | benmeyer: it seems to |
| 14:48:36 | HrAbbey | Anybody seen SL-5500 styluses in local stores yet? |
| 14:51:14 | benmeyer | I am putting together a list of things that developers should check before releasing (and to get into the new "cirtified" feed). Can anyone think of anything that they have seen that is wrong that I should add? |
| 14:53:19 | HrAbbey | Lots. Good install to CF, clean de-install, basic stuff to start. |
| 14:53:54 | benmeyer | should it uninstall the settings? |
| 14:53:55 | HrAbbey | Either an icon, or a README/ Help file in a standard place (you're certifiing, so you get to choose the standard?) |
| 14:54:27 | HrAbbey | Setting should stay put, unless bigger than Xk. |
| 14:54:27 | benmeyer | Help file |
| 14:54:27 | HrAbbey | where X = say 50 |
| 14:54:34 | benmeyer | if the app support the help thingy |
| 14:54:36 | MSpin | no ISO-9000 cert required?:) |
| 14:55:17 | HrAbbey | I'm thinking of console / deamon apps where an icon doesn't make sense. i.e. opie-sh. |
| 14:56:00 | benmeyer | well in those cases they wouldn't have an icon |
| 14:56:00 | benmeyer | one of the rules it no console requirement at all |
| 14:56:28 | HrAbbey | Also, thinking of config files. Standard place (either /etc or .pkgname) |
| 14:56:50 | benmeyer | They should use Config that came with QTopia |
| 14:56:52 | HrAbbey | opie-sh doesn't require console, since other progs. depend on it which don't require consle. |
| 14:57:13 | benmeyer | yah exacly |
| 14:57:30 | benmeyer | you normally shoujlnd't insall opie-sh, but you wouldn install the gui apps which would install it |
| 14:57:37 | benmeyer | Doesn't create a tab |
| 14:58:31 | HrAbbey | So you're saying opie-sh wouldn't be certified, but apps that depend on it would be? |
| 14:58:31 | HrAbbey | s/would/could/ |
| 14:58:54 | benmeyer | no opie-sh isn't a user app, just a requirment |
| 14:59:08 | benmeyer | so as long as the two packages are together then it is fine |
| 14:59:12 | benmeyer | i.e. in a feed |
| 14:59:25 | HrAbbey | I thought the feed was for certified apps only. |
| 14:59:39 | HrAbbey | But I get what you're saying, I think... |
| 14:59:46 | benmeyer | I am going to make a new feed |
| 14:59:56 | benmeyer | the current feed is simply everything under the sun |
| 15:00:22 | HrAbbey | I think a certified feed (a la Debian testing/stable) is a GREAT idea. |
| 15:01:35 | benmeyer | :-) |
| 15:01:51 | benmeyer | Up until now I have been manually fixing packages and sending them to the authors |
| 15:01:57 | ljp | heh ya.. then you can make a warez feed ;) |
| 15:02:05 | HrAbbey | Another thing I've seen. Icon's that don't do anything be default. (i.e. GnuBoy) At least bring up a help screen... |
| 15:02:16 | HrAbbey | benmeyer: wow. Too much work, but appreciated, I'm sure. |
| 15:02:17 | benmeyer | ? |
| 15:02:45 | benmeyer | Well up until this point it was simply trying to get up the applications numbers |
| 15:03:10 | HrAbbey | GnuBoy required manual intervention to work right. But out of the ipk. box it looked like it would do something. |
| 15:03:46 | benmeyer | yah, for example GnuBoy should have an ipk for each game |
| 15:03:57 | benmeyer | that creates an icon with a script to start it |
| 15:04:07 | HrAbbey | Yep, all depending on a gnuboy-base or some such. |
| 15:04:38 | HrAbbey | Unfortunately, I only know of one rom that's legal, QBert. |
| 15:04:46 | benmeyer | hey well then there is 1 |
| 15:06:16 | HrAbbey | For a certified type feed, a max mem requirement would probably be good. I.e. no need for swap on Sl-5000. |
| 15:06:28 | HrAbbey | s/Sl-5000/SL-5500 non-dev/ |
| 15:06:39 | rikkus | how much memory does the SL-5000 have ? |
| 15:07:05 | HrAbbey | 32meg. |
| 15:07:10 | rikkus | thanks |
| 15:07:40 | HrAbbey | 18meg or so usable out of the box. |
| 15:07:44 | rikkus | ok |
| 15:07:52 | RinceZAURUS | so... this works too :-) |
| 15:07:56 | rikkus | that's reassuring, I thought I was dealing with less |
| 15:08:18 | HrAbbey | rikkus: you are. I'm not going to run JUST your program... |
| 15:08:23 | rikkus | hehe |
| 15:08:44 | rikkus | I'm trying to keep mem usage under 2M, if that's any help |
| 15:08:50 | rikkus | including program binary |
| 15:08:52 | HrAbbey | Sound reasonable... |
| 15:09:29 | BigBoss | Rince are you on tkcJabber? |
| 15:09:39 | Cloud | yes! |
| 15:09:47 | HrAbbey | Hmmm... what else should all good Zaurus apps have / do... |
| 15:09:58 | rikkus | HrAbbey: not crash |
| 15:10:00 | benmeyer | server manager |
| 15:10:03 | Cloud | hehe sorry |
| 15:10:27 | HrAbbey | Ahhh BigBoss's presence reminds me: compliance to Qtopia color Schemes by default. |
| 15:10:35 | rikkus | :} |
| 15:10:48 | benmeyer | kergoth: can you have a Multimedia tab in opie |
| 15:10:49 | ljp | heh |
| 15:10:51 | benmeyer | it is needed |
| 15:11:02 | benmeyer | put the audio player and image viewer in it to start |
| 15:11:04 | ljp | multimedia tab? |
| 15:11:21 | benmeyer | yah |
| 15:11:32 | benmeyer | Applications/Games/Multimedia/Settings/Documents |
| 15:11:40 | benmeyer | Applications just get filled up way to fast |
| 15:12:08 | Rince | BigBoss: no, I have it installed buit I don't use it yet, I don't know how to use it with IRC :-) |
| 15:12:09 | nemui-chan | So does documents. |
| 15:12:20 | Rince | BigBoss: and I don't know how to register myself for it or so - never used it before :-) |
| 15:13:57 | HrAbbey | Another nice thing for apps to do: not take over the Home key. |
| 15:14:43 | nemui-chan | Or the cancel key. |
| 15:14:47 | HrAbbey | And another: use the menu button to get to menus / icons. Like doesn't happen in tab manager... |
| 15:14:58 | BigBoss | IRC is easy, just select the transport |
| 15:15:15 | nemui-chan | While we're at it, make the "Ok" button simulate enter/submit |
| 15:15:18 | nemui-chan | if applicable. |
| 15:15:28 | benmeyer | HrAbbey: there is no menu in the tab manger |
| 15:15:37 | HrAbbey | icons => menu. |
| 15:15:41 | benmeyer | ? |
| 15:15:43 | Rince | BigBoss: huh? I only saw aim and the rest... is IRC new in jabber? |
| 15:15:56 | HrAbbey | icons at top serve as the menu. |
| 15:16:10 | benmeyer | nope, they are buttons |
| 15:16:22 | HrAbbey | In Qtopia pims, the menu button allows you to go the the icons to. Something I like |
| 15:16:33 | benmeyer | give them focus? |
| 15:16:33 | HrAbbey | Buttons should be menu then? |
| 15:16:40 | HrAbbey | Yep. They get focus. |
| 15:17:03 | benmeyer | hmmm |
| 15:17:07 | benmeyer | not sure how to do that |
| 15:17:08 | benmeyer | one. |
| 15:17:10 | warmi | hi |
| 15:17:21 | HrAbbey | As a heavy keyboard user I have diggin out the stylus.... |
| 15:17:25 | HrAbbey | s/have/hate/ |
| 15:17:53 | Twiun | ls |
| 15:17:57 | Twiun | doh ;-) |
| 15:18:13 | | i guess ls is something I type a lot.... (Where am I , what am I doind ;) |
| 15:18:13 | HrAbbey | ibot: ls |
| 15:18:50 | rikkus | heh, that's the main use of ls |
| 15:18:59 | rikkus | that and pwd |
| 15:20:02 | nemui-chan | HrAbbey : Ditto... Thats why I want "Ok" to hit enter, and "Cancel" to exit the program :) |
| 15:20:25 | nemui-chan | Because I hate digging out the stylus AND I hate disconnecting from USB to open the keyboard to hit enter ;) |
| 15:20:31 | nemui-chan | is a picky bastard. |
| 15:20:50 | warmi | benmayer: you should add to your serve faq how to set up smbfs under the Zaurus so one can mount windows drivers directly under Z filesystem |
| 15:21:04 | warmi | I mean windows drives |
| 15:21:06 | HrAbbey | nemui-chan: agreed. I'm not a pick-boardy bastard either. |
| 15:21:30 | nemui-chan | mount windows drivers? err. windows drives? |
| 15:21:40 | nemui-chan | wait.. you already said that. |
| 15:21:41 | benmeyer | updating zz feed |
| 15:21:43 | warmi | yeah |
| 15:21:48 | nemui-chan | is sick. Thats my excuse. I'm sticking to it. |
| 15:22:18 | nemui-chan | I gotta go pick up the Deitel and Deitel book today. |
| 15:22:30 | warmi | hehe |
| 15:22:50 | nemui-chan | I'm taking back my oreilly C and C++ books. |
| 15:22:53 | warmi | wasn't that you who complained how expensive this book is .. |
| 15:22:54 | nemui-chan | Surprisingly, they suck. |
| 15:22:58 | warmi | something like $70 or so |
| 15:22:59 | nemui-chan | Yup ;p |
| 15:23:22 | warmi | oreilly stuff is more like a reference |
| 15:23:36 | benmeyer | someone made an smbmount ipk |
| 15:23:51 | warmi | I am not aware of smbmount ipk |
| 15:23:57 | benmeyer | yummy smbmount 160GB of mp3's... |
| 15:23:57 | nemui-chan | Yup :) |
| 15:24:03 | warmi | I just used debs from debian and installed by hand |
| 15:24:10 | benmeyer | http://www.dasgehtdichnichtsan.de/zaurus/smbmount.html |
| 15:24:29 | HrAbbey | Now I remember why I wanted wireless lan! Mp3's. ;) |
| 15:24:49 | warmi | that's great ... |
| 15:24:51 | nemui-chan | will wireless do streaming mp3s? :) |
| 15:25:17 | nemui-chan | warmi: well.. the oreilly stuff I picked up for C/C++ was supposed to be a learning book... it just sucks., |
| 15:25:19 | warmi | frankly, what we need now is some sort of GUI for that so people can mount their windows drivers |
| 15:25:20 | kergoth | nemui-chan: wireless doesnt 'do' streaming mp3s. wireless is a medium over which you can do whatever you like, assuming your app can stream mp3s. heh |
| 15:25:29 | benmeyer | no streaming, but if you mount it locally |
| 15:25:30 | benmeyer | hehe |
| 15:25:32 | HrAbbey | Streaming nothing. Mount my mp3 dir. |
| 15:25:33 | ljp | whats servermanager? |
| 15:25:47 | nemui-chan | I know wireless doesnt 'do' streaming.. I meant is wireless fast enough to do streaming mp3's and is there a player that supports streaming yet. |
| 15:25:53 | benmeyer | turn on/off telnet/ssh/boa servers |
| 15:25:56 | kergoth | ljp: comments and uncomments lines in inetd.conf .. hehe |
| 15:26:00 | warmi | it is nice way to start my telnet server on the Z . that's what it is :-) |
| 15:26:05 | ljp | heh ahh |
| 15:26:12 | HrAbbey | service manager or server manager? I've both |
| 15:26:17 | kergoth | nemui-chan: yes its fast enough, and opieplayer can play mp3 from a url |
| 15:26:18 | warmi | you should add samba to that list |
| 15:27:17 | nemui-chan | Nice! |
| 15:27:28 | benmeyer | http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/index.shtml |
| 15:27:30 | benmeyer | Updated |
| 15:27:32 | nemui-chan | I really need an ap and wireless card. I need 250 extra bucks ;p |
| 15:27:47 | Guest | ah, there I am :-) |
| 15:27:47 | warmi | $250 ?? |
| 15:27:57 | ljp | kergoth: I'm thinking of changing opie-sound package to be in the vmemo package together.. |
| 15:28:03 | benmeyer | http://www.zauruszone.com/feed/ |
| 15:28:06 | benmeyer | Updated |
| 15:28:06 | warmi | I think you can get one for about $80 or so |
| 15:28:09 | nemui-chan | Well.. 100 bucks for a card, 130 for an ap, 20 bucks shiping. |
| 15:28:13 | nemui-chan | but I need an ap too |
| 15:28:18 | warmi | an ap ? |
| 15:28:22 | nemui-chan | acecss point |
| 15:28:23 | nemui-chan | access |
| 15:28:23 | nemui-chan | even |
| 15:28:25 | warmi | oh right |
| 15:28:42 | warmi | yeah, that's true .. I am ignorant as far as wireless goes |
| 15:28:50 | warmi | at my house everything is wired |
| 15:28:51 | kergoth | ljp: hmm |
| 15:28:51 | warmi | heh |
| 15:29:15 | ljp | since Sound settings is really vmemo settings anyway |
| 15:29:54 | kergoth | though it includes volume and shit.. which is global, but thats covered by the applet |
| 15:30:09 | RinceZaurus | better! |
| 15:30:15 | kergoth | so go ahead. or include that config dialog accessible via tap+hold on the vmemo applet |
| 15:30:34 | HrAbbey | benmeyer: new howtos purty. Special Zaurus Considerations Nice. Only one typo. I like. |
| 15:31:05 | kergoth | reflashes his Z so it boots again |
| 15:31:17 | kergoth | I really need a serial cable for serial console |
| 15:31:18 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:31:22 | ljp | kergoth: well. vmemo works like if you hold the icon- it records |
| 15:31:30 | benmeyer | What is the typo? |
| 15:31:46 | kergoth | ljp: oh yeah. could change it to tap to start, tap again to stop, then prefs via tap+hold |
| 15:31:49 | kergoth | ljp: i dunno |
| 15:31:50 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:32:05 | RinceZaurus | kergoth: what was it, keyboard and seri together won't work? |
| 15:32:10 | ljp | I'll give it some thought |
| 15:32:19 | kergoth | RinceZaurus: yes. |
| 15:32:33 | kergoth | RinceZaurus: unfortunate, but I still need to be able to serial console regardless for kernel debugging |
| 15:32:47 | HrAbbey | benmeyer: Not really a typo. Just doesn't make sense to me. |
| 15:32:56 | HrAbbey | benmeyer: Quote: "This is a power tool for developers to use and a "cool" factor to should your buddy that you have vi on your pda not a requirement. " |
| 15:33:06 | RinceZaurus | kergoth: I need it for Solaris-Crashes... |
| 15:33:10 | benmeyer | oops show |
| 15:33:13 | benmeyer | not should |
| 15:33:32 | HrAbbey | Ahhh.... much better. |
| 15:33:39 | kergoth | RinceZaurus: indeed. consoling is a nifty niche app for the Z, if they'd fix the non-use of the keyboard thing |
| 15:34:33 | ljp | is tired of hearing "well such and such doesn't work.. someone needs to fix it" and they dont bother to fix it themselves.. grrrr heh |
| 15:34:44 | kergoth | YES i hate that |
| 15:34:49 | kergoth | its open source for gods sake |
| 15:35:35 | ljp | especially when its an ipaq issue.. I wrote some ipaq fucntions, but cant test ehm.. heh |
| 15:35:54 | kergoth | yep |
| 15:35:56 | kergoth | damn slackers |
| 15:35:56 | kergoth | heheh |
| 15:36:02 | ljp | fire them! |
| 15:36:14 | kergoth | yeah, go oliver |
| 15:36:16 | kergoth | eheh |
| 15:36:30 | MSpin | kergoth: kismet has a nice API:) |
| 15:36:36 | MSpin | loves this |
| 15:37:00 | kergoth | MSpin: so you're gonna take on the new UI? are you gonna communicate with the server directly? |
| 15:37:14 | MSpin | kergoth: yup |
| 15:37:24 | kergoth | figured. nice. |
| 15:37:56 | MSpin | he has all the socket communication wrapped up cleanly |
| 15:38:12 | kergoth | I should add some useful QCop channels to wlansetup so you can tap on a network and set yourself up to connect to it cleanly |
| 15:38:22 | kergoth | s/channels/messages/ |
| 15:38:29 | ljp | check this out: http://www.adtron.com/family_detail.html?id=SDDA |
| 15:38:30 | MSpin | hehe yeah |
| 15:39:52 | ljp | :D |
| 15:40:37 | MSpin | I got a little CF to IDE adapter sitting on my shelf |
| 15:41:23 | MSpin | I'm thinking I'll use it on my FW |
| 15:42:12 | benmeyer | Hey Opie-SH has its own tab... |
| 15:42:36 | kergoth | yep |
| 15:42:37 | benmeyer | Shouldn't some of them be under Settings? |
| 15:42:41 | HrAbbey | opie-sh tab? What?!? When ver? Why? |
| 15:42:50 | benmeyer | http://gonz.myip.org/opie-sh-apps/ |
| 15:43:13 | HrAbbey | Must be in the new ver. I never upgraded. they used to be in Settings... |
| 15:43:20 | HrAbbey | BAD Gonz... |
| 15:43:35 | kergoth | okay I'm done setting up the sa1100fb_init_fbinfo() to handle collie. time to merge in the lcd enable/disable functions and screen blanking.. then I move on to other drivers |
| 15:43:36 | benmeyer | hmm, yah we should e-mail him to have it changed back |
| 15:44:25 | HrAbbey | benmeyer: you've got clout. Please do so, and tell him users (me) request it. |
| 15:45:11 | HrAbbey | what type of icon did he use for the tab? |
| 15:45:28 | HrAbbey | I'm still looking for one for my changeSwap prog... |
| 15:46:48 | warmi | do you guys know if that sharp mobile modem (spider or whatever) allows for faxing stuff ? |
| 15:48:21 | nemui-chan | ya know... the ipkg from the feed that is for opie-qasteroids (I think) doesnt have an icon. |
| 15:48:35 | nemui-chan | Is there any way to get Today to stop popping up if there's nothing in it? |
| 15:49:09 | kergoth | nemui-chan: you either have it pop up, or not. cant do it dependent on content. |
| 15:49:25 | JasonNJ | sup dudes. |
| 15:49:28 | kergoth | hey jason |
| 15:49:35 | warmi | hi jason |
| 15:49:50 | NeoTron | morning |
| 15:49:50 | nemui-chan | Bleh. |
| 15:49:54 | nemui-chan | howdy jason |
| 15:50:33 | Matthew_I | hey does zaurus work with evoloution on linux? |
| 15:51:01 | hunger | Matthew_I: Not at all. |
| 15:51:09 | warmi | I think people are working on a syncing software to make it work |
| 15:51:19 | Matthew_I | so maybe some day it will? |
| 15:51:24 | hunger | Matthew_I: There is a perl script to do some syncing, but thats rather broken. |
| 15:51:27 | warmi | I am sure it will |
| 15:51:35 | BigBoss | jason: private msg for you |
| 15:51:35 | MSpin | heya Jason |
| 15:51:43 | warmi | I saw somebody posting on one of Z mlists about such projects |
| 15:51:47 | Matthew_I | I think the zaurus is sweet, but if i can't sync with my linux box, what is the point of getting one |
| 15:52:08 | BigBoss | I so rarely sync these things, I don't really care myself |
| 15:52:15 | BigBoss | I've never synced the Z at all |
| 15:52:24 | kergoth | Matthew_I: you can copy files back and forth easily with scp/ftp/samba/etc.. not exactly syncing, but its useful |
| 15:52:34 | kergoth | me netiher. i use my Z for PIM only, dont use the desktop for such things at all |
| 15:52:35 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:52:57 | warmi | Matthew_I: remember, Evolution is an open source app and therefore it is only a matter of time before somebody writes syncing software ( and as I sadi people are already working on it ) |
| 15:52:57 | Matthew_I | kergoth: so in theory I could write a script to sync my email? |
| 15:53:45 | Matthew_I | will there be any other versions of zaurus coming out? |
| 15:53:46 | HrAbbey | I do copy email by script. I haven't gotten it into the Z's mail program format yet though. |
| 15:55:31 | RinceZaurus | will use his laptop again for IRC |
| 15:56:31 | Matthew_I | so no more versions of the zaurus are planned? |
| 15:56:43 | NeoTron | sure there is |
| 15:56:53 | HrAbbey | None soon to public knowledge. |
| 15:56:54 | Matthew_I | thanks folks |
| 15:57:06 | bobstay | is working on zic again |
| 15:57:15 | benmeyer | cool |
| 15:57:24 | bobstay | (after far too long) |
| 15:57:25 | benmeyer | nothing like sitting on the can with zic, haha |
| 15:58:25 | MS_away | time to war walk:) |
| 15:58:26 | NeoTron | is away: work |
| 15:58:34 | kergoth | hehe, have fun |
| 15:59:30 | bobstay | benmeyer: hah! I do that! |
| 15:59:51 | bobstay | what features do you want? |
| 16:00:13 | benmeyer | maybe be able to hide the list of people |
| 16:00:16 | benmeyer | more screenspace |
| 16:00:21 | warmi | hehe |
| 16:00:21 | bobstay | erm |
| 16:00:24 | bobstay | that's already there |
| 16:00:28 | benmeyer | cool |
| 16:00:32 | benmeyer | they nothing else |
| 16:00:34 | bobstay | the little button at the bottom of the scrollbar |
| 16:00:42 | bobstay | with the ">" on it |
| 16:00:46 | benmeyer | :-) |
| 16:00:46 | bobstay | hides the userlsit |
| 16:01:04 | bobstay | ponders the possiblity of multiple servers |
| 16:01:07 | Rince | oay, back -) |
| 16:01:54 | kergoth | adds the openzaurus 2.4.6 kernel tree to cvs |
| 16:02:13 | benmeyer | kergoth: for selection we only have selection of: admin, base, comm, editors, extras, graphics, libs, misc, net, text, web, x11. Should we add some? |
| 16:02:16 | benmeyer | like Applications |
| 16:02:40 | kergoth | for selection? you mean Section? |
| 16:04:11 | benmeyer | yah |
| 16:04:35 | kergoth | well arent we supposed to use a explicit section for opie and qpe apps? |
| 16:05:00 | benmeyer | hmmm Settings works too... |
| 16:05:01 | kergoth | for example, the opie addressbook is in Section: opie/applications |
| 16:05:01 | benmeyer | sigh |
| 16:05:14 | benmeyer | can't have slashes |
| 16:05:19 | kergoth | huh? |
| 16:05:21 | kergoth | yes you can |
| 16:05:37 | HrAbbey | Applications >= comm, editors, extras, graphics, net, web ? |
| 16:06:11 | HrAbbey | extras/pim makes sense to me though... |
| 16:06:32 | kergoth | hm? as I said for qtopia apps its within the section for qtopia, and opie within opie |
| 16:06:38 | HrAbbey | or would that be misc. I wonder what Debian uses. |
| 16:07:12 | kergoth | HrAbbey: its distribution dependent. sharp should've written a packaging policy document. |
| 16:07:40 | benmeyer | Sharp should have done a lot of things... |
| 16:07:45 | kergoth | no kidding |
| 16:07:46 | benmeyer | So should have TrollTech |
| 16:07:46 | kergoth | heheh |
| 16:07:50 | kergoth | yep |
| 16:07:51 | kergoth | and lineo |
| 16:07:53 | benmeyer | but they didn't so now I am deciding |
| 16:07:57 | HrAbbey | kergoth: did. they said follow debian. that's what ipk sez. |
| 16:08:00 | benmeyer | and I work with developers so I get to |
| 16:08:44 | kergoth | HrAbbey: huh? |
| 16:08:48 | kergoth | HrAbbey: ipkg is used by multiple distributions |
| 16:09:08 | Twiun | Anyone know what Motorola byte order is? Big or small endian? |
| 16:09:10 | kergoth | HrAbbey: as I said, its DISTRIBUTION specific, not package management system specific. |
| 16:09:27 | HrAbbey | In ipk docs womewhere, it says locations, and etc should be like in debian. |
| 16:09:33 | kergoth | HrAbbey: you're not listening. |
| 16:09:39 | HrAbbey | Pkg managemnet is distribution specific. |
| 16:09:44 | kergoth | HrAbbey: wrong. |
| 16:09:52 | HrAbbey | Kergoth: Listening, not agreeing. |
| 16:09:59 | kergoth | HrAbbey: ipkg is used by familiar, the sharp rom, openzaurus, and who knows how many others. |
| 16:10:14 | kergoth | HrAbbey: familiar's decisions regarding packaging policies need not be the same as ours. |
| 16:10:33 | HrAbbey | kergoth: it would be nice if they were the same though. |
| 16:11:01 | kergoth | HrAbbey: but as I said, there's no need for it to be. in other words, its distribution specific, not specific to the package management system in use. |
| 16:11:14 | kergoth | HrAbbey: for example, suse's package naming conventions are quite different than redhat's |
| 16:11:19 | kergoth | HrAbbey: despite the fact that both use rpm |
| 16:11:31 | HrAbbey | kergoth: open source, so no NEED. but if no advantage to change, why do so? |
| 16:11:59 | HrAbbey | kergoth: otherwise re-inventing the wheel a lot. |
| 16:11:59 | kergoth | HrAbbey: we've already expanded beyond the ipkg recommendations. |
| 16:12:11 | kergoth | HrAbbey: as I said previously, we currently expand into Qtopia and Opie Sections. |
| 16:12:24 | HrAbbey | kergoth: understood.... |
| 16:13:29 | kergoth | HrAbbey: So we're in our own policy space. we must establish our own policies beyond those in ipkg's recommendations.. we dont necessarily have to change things which break compatibility with familiar, but we do need a policy document. |
| 16:13:32 | benmeyer | off to lunch |
| 16:13:42 | kergoth | ive got another 2 hours before i get to eat |
| 16:13:44 | kergoth | grumbles |
| 16:13:50 | HrAbbey | lunch sounds good.... later. |
| 16:15:06 | warmi | kergoth: that's purely self imposed limitation .. I am sure if you really wanted you could drop everything you are doing now and go get something to eat |
| 16:15:15 | warmi | . |
| 16:15:18 | warmi | heh |
| 16:15:22 | kergoth | point taken |
| 16:15:34 | kergoth | course there'd be consequences.. like a really annoyed boss :-) |
| 16:15:50 | warmi | well, there are no free lunches |
| 16:15:57 | warmi | got to pay for everything |
| 16:16:06 | kergoth | yep |
| 16:18:32 | warmi | msmax: are you the guy who is working on the new driving game for tkc ? |
| 16:18:35 | warmi | heh |
| 16:19:01 | msmax | warmi: not i, but boy from our company |
| 16:19:27 | warmi | I thought it was you |
| 16:20:10 | BeFrank | hi |
| 16:21:31 | warmi | hello |
| 16:21:45 | warmi | msmax: have you seen that game yet ? |
| 16:22:26 | warmi | whoa ... |
| 16:23:46 | warmi | "I propose that Sharp offer the Zaurus with a choice of operating system: Linux,PocketPC, PalmOS. This will keep the hardware platform alive and give consumers a choice they don't have with any other PDA manufacturer." < somebody posted that on Zaurus-general ... what you guys think of that ? |
| 16:24:11 | msmax | warmi: yes i have it |
| 16:24:47 | warmi | how does it look msmax ? how's the graphics ? |
| 16:24:57 | msmax | warmi: i wont PocketPC on my z ;) |
| 16:25:44 | warmi | well, the guy who wrote that email seems to be indicating that Zaurus with Linux on it is going nowhere . |
| 16:26:08 | bobstay | warmi: I think the guy who wrote the email is an idiot |
| 16:26:19 | bobstay | pocketpc is feasible, but palmos? |
| 16:26:41 | bobstay | he been smoking the carpet again |
| 16:26:48 | warmi | hmm .. I think new palmos runs on Arm CPU |
| 16:26:52 | msmax | warmi: i think it realy cool game, with cool graphics (realy), need only wait until it finished |
| 16:27:04 | warmi | msmax: I will .. I like driving games |
| 16:28:13 | warmi | bobstay: you know that guy who wrote it ? |
| 16:28:26 | bobstay | no, I'm being bigoted :P |
| 16:28:31 | warmi | heh |
| 16:28:59 | warmi | well, I thought maybe you saw him posting before |
| 16:29:32 | bobstay | no, I was just going on what you said |
| 16:29:55 | ljp | I think if you want palmos buy that damnpda |
| 16:29:59 | bobstay | but I think there's boatloads of apps coming out for it, and TheKompany's stuff is really good |
| 16:30:07 | bobstay | so I don't see what he's on about |
| 16:30:15 | warmi | for one it would be an nightmare for Sharp trying to support 3 difffernet operating systems |
| 16:30:47 | bobstay | that too |
| 16:31:23 | treke_ | make it 4 oses |
| 16:31:30 | treke_ | They also have their OS from japan |
| 16:31:33 | warmi | yeah |
| 16:31:51 | warmi | but, according to Jason, they are planning to phase it out |
| 16:31:59 | warmi | and replace it with Linux OS |
| 16:32:00 | treke_ | ah |
| 16:32:15 | warmi | well, it would only make sense |
| 16:32:23 | treke_ | I was under the impression it was really popular in japan |
| 16:32:34 | warmi | wait a bit untill Qtopia matures some more ( and aquires more apps) and then replace it |
| 16:32:38 | bobstay | *nod* |
| 16:32:44 | warmi | he actually said something about some sort of emulation layer |
| 16:34:12 | warmi | frankly, if you think about it .. iPaq is what this needs if he wants to have an option of OS |
| 16:34:16 | [DrEvil] | I wish people would stop cc'ing to zaurus-general |
| 16:34:28 | warmi | I meant, what this guy needs |
| 16:34:45 | treke_ | yeah. you'd got everything but the palmos |
| 16:34:46 | warmi | as I understand Qtopia runs nicely on it and so does PocketPC |
| 16:34:59 | [DrEvil] | but not PalmOS |
| 16:35:10 | kergoth | i'm glad I switched zaurus-general to the daily version. i'm tired of the end user support. heh. |
| 16:35:15 | warmi | well, you can't have everything you want , can you ? |
| 16:35:17 | warmi | hehe |
| 16:35:23 | [DrEvil] | well at least not until PalmOS 5.5 or so |
| 16:35:24 | treke_ | Qtopia runs just fine on it. PocketPC probably runs as well as it does anywhere (I wiped it the day I bought it) :) |
| 16:36:43 | warmi | actually this post was send to Zaurus-chatter |
| 16:36:48 | [DrEvil] | I see felt tipped markers will be banned soon |
| 16:37:34 | treke_ | where? |
| 16:38:02 | warmi | heh .. |
| 16:38:13 | warmi | treke_: take a look at www.slashdot.org |
| 16:38:34 | [DrEvil] | once again |
| 16:38:40 | [DrEvil] | copy protection doesn't work |
| 16:38:43 | treke_ | good source of information :) |
| 16:39:29 | [DrEvil] | I haven't come across any copy protected CD's yet |
| 16:39:46 | [DrEvil] | I am not going to buy any at Best Buy |
| 16:39:59 | bobstay | you should, and then return them |
| 16:40:01 | warmi | DrEvil: obviously, they think it does work... more and more CDs come with some sort of copy protection |
| 16:40:01 | bobstay | one a day |
| 16:40:02 | bobstay | opened :) |
| 16:40:21 | bobstay | citing "it doesn't play - give me a replacement" |
| 16:40:21 | [DrEvil] | warmi: let them continue to think that |
| 16:41:25 | warmi | frankly, I don't really care all that much |
| 16:41:35 | [DrEvil] | then some company is pushing these quarter sized CDs |
| 16:41:52 | [DrEvil] | that don't really offer anything more than what current CD's have |
| 16:42:20 | warmi | well, smaller size |
| 16:42:27 | [DrEvil] | yeah |
| 16:42:42 | [DrEvil] | but no real incentive to buy new equipment |
| 16:42:51 | [DrEvil] | and replace your existing collection |
| 16:43:36 | warmi | oh no .. I thought it was compatible with the current equipment |
| 16:43:44 | [DrEvil] | nope |
| 16:43:46 | [DrEvil] | different laser |
| 16:43:58 | warmi | you right, I would never replace all my stuff just to have smaller CDs |
| 16:44:00 | [DrEvil] | blue laser |
| 16:44:24 | bobstay | grr. there must be a way to put coloured text in tabs in qt/e |
| 16:44:38 | [DrEvil] | I will replace my VHS collection with DVD...because DVD offers me more than VHS does |
| 16:45:24 | warmi | bobstay: virtual void paintLabel ( QPainter *, const QRect &, QTab *, bool ) const |
| 16:45:39 | warmi | I am afraid that's the only way to do it |
| 16:45:58 | [DrEvil] | ponders the smbs hack |
| 16:45:59 | bobstay | as in, you make your own painter for the tab? |
| 16:46:02 | [DrEvil] | smbfs |
| 16:46:24 | warmi | no , you derive from QTabBar |
| 16:46:31 | warmi | and override this method only |
| 16:46:40 | bobstay | I see |
| 16:46:47 | bobstay | goes to read some docs so he understands, as well as sees |
| 16:47:56 | W|GGL|T | is back (gone 10:38:07) |
| 16:48:08 | warmi | bobstay: actually you might want to try to give it a rich text string and see if it will render it properly .. |
| 16:48:23 | bobstay | that's a thought |
| 16:48:30 | bobstay | any money it won't though :) |
| 16:48:30 | warmi | something like "</qt><font color=red> bla </font>" |
| 16:48:34 | [DrEvil] | http://freshmeat.net/projects/mkautosmb/?topic_id=150 |
| 16:48:38 | bobstay | *nod* |
| 16:48:41 | [DrEvil] | that looks promising for my plan |
| 16:48:53 | warmi | well, before you fo for new class .. try that |
| 16:49:58 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: that looks pretty convenient |
| 16:50:20 | [DrEvil] | I noticed some autofs stuff on the Z |
| 16:50:22 | [DrEvil] | hmmm |
| 16:50:44 | warmi | bobstay: actually it should be "<qt> <font color=red> label</font></qt>" |
| 16:51:19 | bobstay | tries |
| 16:51:30 | kergoth | wonders how slow SF would be for hosting a cvs repos for a kernel source tree |
| 16:51:43 | [DrEvil] | hmmm |
| 16:51:49 | [DrEvil] | it's a python script |
| 16:51:56 | kergoth | JasonNJ: is cvs access up on oxygen? |
| 16:51:57 | bobstay | haha |
| 16:52:04 | bobstay | nope, I just have massive tabs with html in them |
| 16:52:06 | bobstay | :) |
| 16:52:25 | [DrEvil] | how is python support on the Z? |
| 16:52:33 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: fine if you choose to install python |
| 16:53:21 | [DrEvil] | ok |
| 16:53:21 | warmi | bobstayu: yeah .. I just looked at the QTabBar source code and it doesn't use QLabel so it will not work |
| 16:53:30 | bobstay | sux |
| 16:53:33 | [DrEvil] | plays appropriate music for what he is about to do |
| 16:53:34 | bobstay | I'll derive it then |
| 16:53:38 | bobstay | puts that off til tonight |
| 16:53:44 | [DrEvil] | Mortal Kombat |
| 16:53:54 | warmi | it is an overkill just for this but ther doesn't seem to any other way |
| 16:54:05 | bobstay | if I do derive it... |
| 16:54:18 | bobstay | could I make it so you can change its text on-the-fly? |
| 16:54:26 | bobstay | which you don't seem to be able to do at the moment either |
| 16:54:46 | warmi | you can everything .. you can even display animated text |
| 16:54:54 | bobstay | haha, that would be amusing |
| 16:54:56 | bobstay | I shall then |
| 16:55:04 | bobstay | QEnhancedTab coming up :) |
| 16:55:06 | warmi | you own the class and it is completely up to you |
| 16:55:08 | warmi | hehe |
| 16:55:13 | | I haven't seen 'fusion84', kergoth |
| 16:55:13 | kergoth | ibot: seen fusion84? |
| 16:55:22 | kergoth | damnit what the heck is his nick again |
| 16:55:36 | | fusion94 was last seen on #zaurus 21 hours, 41 minutes and 17 seconds ago, saying: werd [Tue May 21 20:14:19 2002] |
| 16:55:36 | warmi | ibot: seen fusion94 ? |
| 16:55:43 | kergoth | ah was 10 off |
| 16:55:44 | kergoth | ;-) |
| 16:55:45 | kergoth | thanks |
| 16:56:21 | warmi | that's bad sign man ... usually it is 1off problem |
| 16:56:27 | kergoth | hehe |
| 16:56:30 | warmi | you already into 10s .. |
| 16:56:34 | warmi | heh |
| 16:56:36 | kergoth | shudders |
| 16:56:54 | kergoth | The lcd in the Z is active, not passive right? |
| 16:57:11 | warmi | I think so |
| 16:57:17 | kergoth | ah yep |
| 16:57:29 | kergoth | the lcd enable functions in colliefb.c use GPIO to deal with it. its active. |
| 16:58:14 | | killefiz was last seen on #zaurus 1 days, 2 hours, 26 minutes and 17 seconds ago, saying: wants his Zaurus back :-( [Tue May 21 15:31:57 2002] |
| 16:58:14 | dc_ | ibot seen killefiz :) |
| 16:58:17 | dc_ | damn |
| 16:58:18 | kergoth | anyone here good with cvs? |
| 16:58:21 | dc_ | :} |
| 16:58:33 | kergoth | I need to import a kernel tree into cvs.. vendor branch? |
| 16:58:43 | dc_ | hides |
| 16:58:44 | dc_ | bah |
| 16:58:51 | kergoth | i should pester jamey |
| 16:58:52 | | dc_: huh? |
| 16:58:52 | dc_ | ibot X11 |
| 16:59:17 | | OK, dc_. |
| 16:59:17 | dc_ | ibot X11 is the _best_ and _only_ gui enviorment work using for the iPAQ |
| 16:59:19 | dc_ | :D |
| 16:59:26 | kergoth | bah |
| 16:59:27 | | hmmm... opie is the Open Palmtop Integrated Environment. More info can be found at http://opie.handhelds.org or in the #opie channel. |
| 16:59:27 | dc_ | ibot opie |
| 16:59:30 | dc_ | hehe |
| 16:59:46 | | dc_: I forgot x11 |
| 16:59:46 | dc_ | ibot forget X11 |
| 17:00:07 | kergoth | damn familiar X users |
| 17:00:09 | kergoth | :-P |
| 17:00:12 | dc_ | runs |
| 17:00:18 | dc_ | you love us really |
| 17:00:33 | dc_ | ;p |
| 17:00:38 | kergoth | nothing wrong with options. even picogui is pretty nifty |
| 17:00:39 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:00:41 | kergoth | how goes storm? |
| 17:00:47 | dc_ | kergoth: good, thanks :} |
| 17:00:58 | dc_ | kergoth: 0.6 out soon. and this time. it works :D |
| 17:01:04 | kergoth | oo bonus |
| 17:01:09 | dc_ | yeah |
| 17:01:37 | | kergoth: bugger all, i dunno |
| 17:01:37 | kergoth | ibot: nicolas pitre? |
| 17:01:46 | | i don't know, kergoth |
| 17:01:46 | kergoth | ibot: nicholas pitre? |
| 17:01:57 | kergoth | stupid bot, |
| 17:02:11 | | dc_: huh? |
| 17:02:11 | dc_ | ibot silly you |
| 17:02:16 | Twiun | What's the best way of interleaving x bytes from one file with x bytes from another? |
| 17:02:27 | | OK, dc_. |
| 17:02:27 | dc_ | ibot silly you is <reply> yeah sorry, I can't help it |
| 17:02:29 | | dc_: sorry... |
| 17:02:29 | dc_ | ibot silly you |
| 17:02:35 | dc_ | argf. |
| 17:02:41 | Twiun | so if I have file1: 111111, file2: 222222, output: 1111122222 |
| 17:03:46 | Twiun | anything I can do in a shell script? |
| 17:04:21 | kergoth | binary or ascii data? |
| 17:05:12 | Twiun | binary |
| 17:05:30 | warmi | for a guy with a hammer everything looks like a nail .... I say write in in assembler |
| 17:05:33 | warmi | j/k |
| 17:05:36 | Twiun | hehe |
| 17:06:47 | kergoth | shell scripts are a bit too limited for that |
| 17:07:00 | kergoth | i'd go with c, unless you're very good with perl |
| 17:07:01 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:07:09 | warmi | perl would do it |
| 17:07:17 | ljp | nonono, use C#.. its much more advanced |
| 17:07:41 | Twiun | absolutely... wish my perl was up to scratch... my C definately isn't |
| 17:08:25 | Twiun | C#... damn... this version of windows has a weird OS name tag... says Linux... |
| 17:08:27 | kergoth | Twiun: thats what perldoc is for |
| 17:08:45 | Twiun | kergoth: digging into it now... |
| 17:08:49 | kergoth | cool |
| 17:08:55 | warmi | well, C# is nice |
| 17:08:56 | Twiun | scrambles for his Perl Cookbook |
| 17:09:17 | warmi | and will succed despite ljp misgivings about it |
| 17:09:21 | warmi | heh |
| 17:10:12 | dc_ | Twiun: that's very strange indeed. |
| 17:10:15 | dc_ | Twiun: where did you get your copy? |
| 17:10:24 | ljp | only because MICROS~1 is pushing it on windows developers |
| 17:11:07 | warmi | pushing it ... my fellow coworker is salivating all over himself waiting for his copy of the latest Visual Studio |
| 17:11:33 | ljp | heh ya you cant get vc++7 without it |
| 17:11:46 | ljp | bbl |
| 17:11:51 | warmi | heh .. I wished he was waiting for C++ ... |
| 17:12:32 | Twiun | dc_: dunno... found it on some website |
| 17:13:00 | Twiun | dc_: err... not website... ftp site even |
| 17:13:06 | kergoth | info cvs |
| 17:13:07 | whardier | hihi |
| 17:13:37 | kergoth | hey whardier |
| 17:13:37 | kergoth | how goes it |
| 17:13:37 | kergoth | you home yet? heh |
| 17:13:45 | dc_ | Twiun: cool..well |
| 17:13:51 | Neo|Work | is back (gone 15:21:19) |
| 17:13:56 | dc_ | Twiun: you must have some cool virus. |
| 17:13:59 | Neo|Work | yo |
| 17:14:14 | kergoth | hey neo |
| 17:16:30 | Twiun | dc_: Virus? I have a VIRUS? I was told Linux is some cool warez?!?! and now you tell me it's a *virus*?? |
| 17:17:01 | Twiun | smirks |
| 17:17:03 | dc_ | Twiun: well, maby your windows got infected. |
| 17:17:15 | dc_ | Twiun: you know how insecure warez can be |
| 17:17:33 | dc_ | gets bored and stops the silly game :} |
| 17:17:48 | Twiun | aggrees |
| 17:20:42 | Neo|Work | so I assume there's plenty of surprise floating around in here that TT hasn't announced winners yet? :P |
| 17:20:53 | mark | Neo|Work: yeh, we're all shocked |
| 17:21:16 | treke_ | I'm waiting for them to delcare that they all sucked and no one wins |
| 17:21:39 | warmi | heh |
| 17:22:17 | Neo|Work | so anyone up for some betatesting? |
| 17:22:25 | warmi | I am just anxious to see if there are any "surprize" apps that we haven't seen yet |
| 17:22:33 | mark | warmi: yeh |
| 17:22:42 | warmi | like that QHorse for example |
| 17:22:47 | mark | looks cool that |
| 17:22:51 | warmi | heh |
| 17:23:05 | warmi | Neo|Work: beta testing of what ? |
| 17:23:16 | warmi | well, anyway .. I don't have my Z with me at work today |
| 17:23:28 | Neo|Work | Candy Cruncher |
| 17:24:27 | treke_ | its about time :) |
| 17:26:38 | warmi | Neo|Work: you should have entered with Strategic Assault .. |
| 17:26:39 | warmi | that would have settled games category right there |
| 17:26:40 | warmi | hehe |
| 17:26:44 | mark | yeh |
| 17:26:59 | Neo|Work | warmi: Xen Games entered (I believe) with Strategic Asssault |
| 17:27:40 | Neo|Work | http://eongames.com/downloads/CandyCruncher_1.50_arm.ipk |
| 17:27:54 | Neo|Work | that is the actual game download but it'll be in demo mode only naturally. :P |
| 17:28:15 | mark | Neo|Work: screenshot? |
| 17:28:15 | warmi | Neo|Work: they must have been late then for the beta stage |
| 17:28:17 | treke_ | goes looking for his wireless card |
| 17:28:19 | | OK, Neo|Work. |
| 17:28:19 | Neo|Work | ibot CC is Candy Cruncher |
| 17:28:32 | | okay, Neo|Work. |
| 17:28:32 | Neo|Work | ibot CC is also beta demo download at http://eongames.com/downloads/CandyCruncher_1.50_arm.ipk |
| 17:28:40 | | OK, Neo|Work. |
| 17:28:40 | Neo|Work | ibot Candy Cruncher is see CC |
| 17:28:44 | | i guess CC is Candy Cruncher or beta demo download at http://eongames.com/downloads/CandyCruncher_1.50_arm.ipk |
| 17:28:44 | Neo|Work | ibot CC |
| 17:28:50 | | hmmm... Candy Cruncher is see CC |
| 17:28:50 | Neo|Work | ibot Candy Cruncher |
| 17:29:27 | mark | Neo|Work: got a date for interstellar flames yet? |
| 17:29:36 | Neo|Work | http://handhelds.org/scap/ have some in landscape mode |
| 17:29:39 | Neo|Work | and no, I do not |
| 17:29:45 | mark | any idea? |
| 17:29:46 | Neo|Work | only had the early version so far |
| 17:29:53 | Neo|Work | End of June perhaps |
| 17:29:55 | treke_ | isnt it still in development upstream? |
| 17:30:11 | mark | Neo|Work: k, cool :) |
| 17:30:18 | Neo|Work | treke_: right |
| 17:32:20 | Neo|Work | oh damn, I forgot |
| 17:32:20 | Neo|Work | CC also needs libSDL from http://eongames.dom/downloads/feed/ |
| 17:32:27 | Neo|Work | ...since I don't have static binaries yet... |
| 17:32:57 | | okay, Neo|Work. |
| 17:32:57 | Neo|Work | ibot CC is also note that CC beta download needs libSDL from http://eongames.com/downloads/feed/ to be installed |
| 17:33:00 | | i guess CC is Candy Cruncher or beta demo download at http://eongames.com/downloads/CandyCruncher_1.50_arm.ipk or note that CC beta download needs libSDL from http://eongames.com/downloads/feed/ to be installed |
| 17:33:00 | Neo|Work | ibot CC |
| 17:35:47 | kergoth | hey codemnky |
| 17:36:00 | codemnky | yo |
| 17:36:08 | codemnky | you know anything about long beach, ca ? |
| 17:36:14 | codemnky | or the area |
| 17:36:15 | BigBoss | I know something |
| 17:36:18 | mark | can i have suggestions on how to make this smaller -> www.houseoffish.org/snapshot17.png |
| 17:36:19 | BigBoss | I live about 30 minutes south |
| 17:37:10 | codemnky | do i want to live in san fernando valley, south bay or long beach? |
| 17:37:47 | treke_ | I'd avoid the san fernando valley |
| 17:37:55 | warmi | mark: tough one |
| 17:38:15 | codemnky | ok |
| 17:38:48 | treke_ | For the most part it's a pretty high crime area |
| 17:39:06 | mark | warmi: its 360 x 323 atm |
| 17:39:43 | Neo|Work | smaller fonts! ;-) |
| 17:40:00 | Neo|Work | seriously though, it's easy to make it less wide |
| 17:40:18 | treke_ | codemnky : Where are you going to be working ( I assume your moving for a job) |
| 17:40:26 | Neo|Work | just make the "when knights begin" selection a select box or something |
| 17:40:53 | benmeyer | Why does it ask to append to save file? |
| 17:40:55 | BigBoss | I'd live in orange county |
| 17:41:04 | benmeyer | either the text is there or not |
| 17:41:04 | Neo|Work | because it's the only one that is wide enough to matter |
| 17:41:05 | benmeyer | :-) |
| 17:41:08 | Neo|Work | and has to be wide even |
| 17:41:14 | BigBoss | long beach has a lot of gangs, or at least did |
| 17:41:17 | BigBoss | south bay is pretty nice |
| 17:41:19 | mark | benmeyer: true |
| 17:41:23 | BigBoss | large gay population |
| 17:41:25 | mark | Neo|Work: okay |
| 17:42:03 | benmeyer | course then you don't need the box around it |
| 17:42:03 | codemnky | the job is in the LA area |
| 17:42:04 | benmeyer | the 2 radio boxes should be vertical next to each other |
| 17:42:11 | benmeyer | Your Name: |____| |
| 17:42:16 | treke_ | its a big area :) |
| 17:42:21 | codemnky | heh |
| 17:42:27 | benmeyer | Makr as a box shouldn't be by itself |
| 17:42:28 | Neo|Work | as for height, I guess you can always remove redundant borders, although they do do grouping nicely |
| 17:42:30 | benmeyer | who's is this? |
| 17:42:43 | benmeyer | Neo|Work, yours? |
| 17:42:56 | Neo|Work | knights? Mark's |
| 17:43:05 | codemnky | i just want to make sure i move in a cool neiborhood that's not to expensive |
| 17:43:10 | | CC is probably Candy Cruncher or beta demo download at http://eongames.com/downloads/CandyCruncher_1.50_arm.ipk or note that CC beta download needs libSDL from http://eongames.com/downloads/feed/ to be installed |
| 17:43:10 | Neo|Work | ibot: CC |
| 17:43:11 | benmeyer | mark: can you send me the ui file and I will fix it up for you |
| 17:43:15 | Neo|Work | that's mine. :P |
| 17:43:17 | mark | benmeyer: its not in a .ui :) |
| 17:43:26 | benmeyer | wha? |
| 17:43:30 | benmeyer | why not? |
| 17:43:44 | Neo|Work | uses nice, plain and simple in-code GUI progamming |
| 17:43:59 | codemnky | i currently live on south miami beach, fl - so i'm looking for something simular |
| 17:44:00 | mark | benmeyer: coz the person who wrote this originally didn't use designer. many people loath it |
| 17:44:03 | Neo|Work | designer has like 5 widgets (it's missing tons of stuff) and doesn't work well for embedded stuff |
| 17:44:18 | Neo|Work | which is why I don't use it |
| 17:44:31 | benmeyer | The only people that I know that loath it are those that didn't bother to read the 5 page manual |
| 17:44:48 | benmeyer | no offence to anyone here of course |
| 17:44:49 | kergoth | designer 3 is a bit more functional. too bad it wont work with qt2. heh |
| 17:44:50 | Neo|Work | benmeyer: it is lacking so many widgets. For example I couldn't make a popup menu |
| 17:45:37 | benmeyer | Where is the popupmenu in that dialog? |
| 17:45:45 | Neo|Work | it takes me a lot longer to use designer for UI design than writing it in the code |
| 17:45:57 | mark | you also end up with more .h, .cpp files using designer as you have to inherit dialogs |
| 17:45:58 | Neo|Work | benmeyer: I'm just saying why _I_ don't use designer |
| 17:46:17 | Neo|Work | it's just more work and effort with worse results for what i've done |
| 17:46:36 | benmeyer | well for cleaning up for example it is easy |
| 17:46:40 | benmeyer | as in this case |
| 17:46:52 | kergoth | i'll occasionally use designer to start a basic setup, then generate the cpp and .h files and dump the ui and customize. heh |
| 17:46:55 | mark | benmeyer: and i cant really be bothered to move this to .ui |
| 17:47:08 | mark | kergoth: heh, yeh, i do that sometimes |
| 17:49:57 | Neo|Work | also the fact that designer seems to "dislike" 240x320 (fixed) windows was annoying. When I asked it o layout stuff it changed the size |
| 17:50:14 | Neo|Work | plus it doesn't have the right fonts and stuff so it looks all fscked up |
| 17:52:38 | mark | setpagegeneral.cpp: In method `setPageGeneral::setPageGeneral(QWidget * = 0, resource * = 0)': |
| 17:52:38 | mark | /home/mark/qt-2.3.2-embed-x86/include/qhbox.h:58: `QHBox::QHBox(bool, QWidget * = 0, const char * = 0, unsigned int = 0, bool = TRUE)' is protected |
| 17:52:38 | mark | wtf? |
| 17:54:48 | Neo|Work | I guess that constructor is for internal use only. >:-) |
| 17:55:27 | mark | i'm not using that constructor :) |
| 17:57:27 | mark | GROUP_UserName = new QHBox(this); |
| 17:57:44 | Neo|Work | heh |
| 17:57:48 | Neo|Work | cute |
| 17:58:01 | mark | Neo|Work: and no, not my naming convention, before you ask :) |
| 17:58:16 | mark | benmeyer, Neo|Work: sod it. i'm moving to .ui ;) |
| 17:58:27 | | hmmm... CC is Candy Cruncher or beta demo download at http://eongames.com/downloads/CandyCruncher_1.50_arm.ipk or note that CC beta download needs libSDL from http://eongames.com/downloads/feed/ to be installed |
| 17:58:27 | treke_ | ibot CC |
| 18:01:20 | treke_ | wow. thats a big ass game |
| 18:02:25 | Neo|Work | not hugely so, really. significant data files though |
| 18:02:28 | warmi | how big it is ? |
| 18:02:36 | treke_ | 1.1 meg ipk |
| 18:03:02 | warmi | Neo|Work: images ? |
| 18:04:23 | treke_ | Neo|Work : is pushing the left arrow supposed to make a piece slide right? |
| 18:05:26 | Neo|Work | warmi: images, audio |
| 18:05:46 | Neo|Work | treke_: you slide the hole but I strongly suggest using stylus |
| 18:05:51 | Neo|Work | it's A LOT faster |
| 18:06:07 | treke_ | 0yeah it is |
| 18:06:12 | treke_ | I just got that hint :) |
| 18:07:32 | kergoth | shit, something fucked up in my cvs import of 2.4.18 |
| 18:07:34 | kergoth | grr |
| 18:07:35 | Neo|Work | the desktop allows you to choose whether arror keys move the hole or not but I don't think the PDA version has that |
| 18:07:41 | Neo|Work | mainly I don't think it's necessary |
| 18:07:55 | [DrEvil] | spin |
| 18:08:00 | MSpin | heya [DrEvil] |
| 18:08:17 | MSpin | say, where should I report issues with opie stuff? (opie-today) |
| 18:08:18 | treke_ | cant picture playing this on a desktop |
| 18:08:41 | treke_ | there any way to minimize it? |
| 18:08:56 | mark | benmeyer: in a .pro - i just put INTERFACES = mydialog.ui? |
| 18:09:20 | kergoth | MSpin: http://handhelds.org/ in the bugtraq db, opie module |
| 18:09:28 | MSpin | kergoth: thanks |
| 18:09:29 | ljp | MSpin: either opie@handhelds, or #opie |
| 18:09:30 | kergoth | np |
| 18:09:43 | kergoth | ljp: tisk tisk. we're supposed to use the bug tracker :-P |
| 18:09:53 | ljp | hehehe hmmm |
| 18:10:22 | ljp | but #opie seems to get it done faster |
| 18:11:23 | kergoth | true. thats because we're supposed to be checking the bug tracker for thing sto fix too, but we arent. :-) |
| 18:11:58 | JasonNJ | kergoth: how goes the kernie |
| 18:12:21 | kergoth | JasonNJ: bout done with some merges on the framebuffer driver.. then I'm going into some other areas. |
| 18:12:31 | JasonNJ | Candy Cruncher is an evil, evil game. |
| 18:12:50 | ljp | kergoth: dont tell the CTO, but I ignore bugtracker.. heheheh |
| 18:14:17 | JasonNJ | a new kernel is really going to help big time |
| 18:14:31 | treke_ | Neo|Work : you might want to allow guest viewing of bugs in your bug tracker. Might cut down on duplicate reports |
| 18:14:35 | JasonNJ | kergoth: do you think we should use the new archangeli VM or the old one |
| 18:14:46 | Neo|Work | treke_: I'm going to install bugtrack at some point.. |
| 18:14:49 | kergoth | JasonNJ: I say we stick with the stock rmk tree. |
| 18:15:37 | JasonNJ | what does rmk have that the kernel.org one doesnt |
| 18:15:48 | JasonNJ | basically, we would be using the familiar kernel then |
| 18:15:58 | kergoth | JasonNJ: well minus hh.org specific stuff, yes |
| 18:16:59 | MSpin | JasonNJ: did you have a chance to test wlanmon? |
| 18:17:04 | ljp | doesn the kernel on the sharp rom have realtime extensions? |
| 18:17:42 | JasonNJ | MSpin: do you want me to try it on the sharp rom |
| 18:17:49 | JasonNJ | I am not on OZ right now |
| 18:19:07 | MSpin | yeah, go for it |
| 18:22:55 | MSpin | what doyou guys think for the kismet UI? Just a table, or try to do a tree? |
| 18:25:08 | JasonNJ | tree |
| 18:25:18 | kergoth | ljp: good question. one thing at a time though. |
| 18:25:20 | JasonNJ | mspin send me that url again |
| 18:26:38 | MSpin | http://www.mspin.net/~jjhuff/wlanmon |
| 18:26:54 | ljp | kergoth: I thought thats what I picked up from the Lineo presentation in Decemeber |
| 18:28:21 | ljp | suppose BZFlag might know |
| 18:29:49 | kergoth | yeah he'd know |
| 18:29:58 | kergoth | i'll go through the embedix patch with a fine tooth com |
| 18:29:58 | kergoth | b |
| 18:30:07 | kergoth | i'll port the collie stuff first, go from there |
| 18:30:31 | ljp | I thought lineos rt extensions were not gpl'd |
| 18:30:43 | gecko_x2 | wohoo i just ordered my zaurus to finland from outpost.com |
| 18:30:47 | gecko_x2 | :) |
| 18:31:02 | kergoth | ljp: hmm.. well then their statement that the 5000d and 5500 kernel sources have been released is bullshit |
| 18:31:04 | kergoth | ljp: heh |
| 18:32:23 | ljp | could be.. better make sure though |
| 18:32:32 | kergoth | agreed. |
| 18:32:42 | JasonNJ | mspin errors out on sharp rom |
| 18:32:53 | JasonNJ | etho: ioctl failed |
| 18:32:59 | kergoth | is wlanmon working under oz yet? |
| 18:33:14 | JasonNJ | it partially worked last time I checked |
| 18:33:39 | JasonNJ | kergoth any feed updates to b10 |
| 18:34:00 | MSpin | for some reason that ioctl is failing |
| 18:34:13 | MSpin | does iwconfig work? |
| 18:34:15 | kergoth | shit shit shit |
| 18:34:28 | kergoth | does anyone know how to import something into cvs without updating the cvs versioning information in the code? |
| 18:34:38 | kergoth | w.g. # $Id: Config.in,v 1.12 2001/09/23 15:35:21 dwmw2 Exp $ |
| 18:34:56 | kergoth | it updates those, but those have changed after import, and a number of diff's depend on it for context |
| 18:34:56 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:36:11 | JasonNJ | MSpin: iwconfig not loaded |
| 18:36:22 | JasonNJ | I need to pull it down from the feed, hold a sec. |
| 18:36:34 | JasonNJ | the socketspec driver doesnt include all the tools |
| 18:36:40 | JasonNJ | just the barebones modules |
| 18:36:47 | kergoth | we shuld make that driver depend on wirelesstools |
| 18:36:48 | MSpin | ahh |
| 18:36:49 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:38:01 | JasonNJ | yow. |
| 18:38:11 | JasonNJ | IWconfig reports no wirless extensions |
| 18:38:14 | MSpin | yeah |
| 18:38:16 | MSpin | that's it |
| 18:38:19 | JasonNJ | well, that probably explains it |
| 18:38:31 | MSpin | the module source has wireless extension support |
| 18:38:40 | JasonNJ | ok so basically, with the stock sharp kernel, no way in hell will we get it to work |
| 18:38:41 | MSpin | oh! |
| 18:38:56 | MSpin | hrm |
| 18:39:08 | MSpin | I wonder if recompiling it with the define set would work> |
| 18:39:12 | JasonNJ | kergoth/mspin can you draft a letter that I can submit to japan regarding the importance of this |
| 18:39:22 | JasonNJ | MSpin: you can try |
| 18:39:22 | MSpin | sure |
| 18:39:31 | kergoth | MSpin: I dont recall if I built that socket driver against kernel headers that had wireless extensions enabled. lets sanity check that first. |
| 18:40:12 | JasonNJ | wouldnt the module fail completely without the wirless extensions? |
| 18:40:30 | JasonNJ | or is that just for special stuff, like wep and packet capture |
| 18:40:32 | MSpin | not necessarly |
| 18:41:16 | kergoth | merges 2.4.18-rmk6 into the kernel source in his cvs |
| 18:41:34 | JasonNJ | woohoo |
| 18:41:43 | kergoth | cvs will let me track my changes. |
| 18:41:44 | JasonNJ | gotta get mtdram jffs2 to work right |
| 18:41:54 | kergoth | I should put 2.4.6 openzaurus kernel into cvs too |
| 18:41:57 | kergoth | does oxygen have cvs yet? |
| 18:42:12 | kergoth | bzflag recommends not using jffs2 on the mtdram device. |
| 18:42:17 | kergoth | I dont recall why |
| 18:42:34 | MSpin | hrm, that ioctl code isn't wrapped in an #ifdef |
| 18:42:39 | MSpin | kergoth: why would you need to? |
| 18:42:45 | kergoth | need to what? |
| 18:42:59 | JasonNJ | oh wait not mtdram |
| 18:43:01 | MSpin | do jffs2 on mtdram? |
| 18:43:04 | JasonNJ | I mean the intel flash controller |
| 18:43:07 | MSpin | ahh |
| 18:43:15 | MSpin | so you can upgrade the kernel? |
| 18:43:16 | JasonNJ | jffs2 wont maintain state between reboots on mtdram |
| 18:43:25 | kergoth | why would you want jffs2 on mtdram? |
| 18:43:35 | kergoth | MSpin: I'm trying to port the collie stuff to 2.4.18-rmk6 atm |
| 18:43:40 | JasonNJ | bzfag's intel flash controller drivers I meant need to be ported |
| 18:43:44 | MSpin | ahh |
| 18:43:45 | kergoth | ah |
| 18:43:48 | JasonNJ | so the sharp flash rom will work |
| 18:43:50 | kergoth | yeah |
| 18:43:59 | kergoth | he has a mtd partijtioning scheme and altered driver to be writable |
| 18:44:01 | kergoth | i'll port it |
| 18:44:19 | kergoth | first i want the lcd screen initializing and actually displaying console messages.. then when it fails to mount root i'll get to work on that. |
| 18:44:19 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:44:37 | JasonNJ | kergtoh: once you get this kernel working, get it to a7r |
| 18:44:44 | JasonNJ | he will want to get his z working on familiar |
| 18:44:57 | kergoth | familiar would work now. |
| 18:45:07 | JasonNJ | in fact, I would enlist his help |
| 18:45:11 | kergoth | with some slight changes regarding devices and stuff. |
| 18:45:20 | JasonNJ | well, he wont want it unless the kernel is up to date |
| 18:45:25 | kergoth | JasonNJ: familiar is just another debian based distribution. it'd run on the zaurus fine. |
| 18:45:32 | kergoth | gotcha |
| 18:45:38 | dc_ | can someone running Qtopia/OPIE with image gallery or tkcgallery installed do a favor for me? |
| 18:45:41 | JasonNJ | I want to see fam on the Z |
| 18:45:43 | JasonNJ | its another choice |
| 18:45:46 | kergoth | yep |
| 18:45:49 | JasonNJ | the hardcore people will want iot |
| 18:45:58 | kergoth | yes, because it works well with X out of the box |
| 18:46:08 | JasonNJ | I personally dont care about X, but some people will want it |
| 18:46:14 | kergoth | yeah |
| 18:46:20 | kergoth | I'll create an initrd with picogui preinstalled too. |
| 18:46:23 | JasonNJ | and its a stick in HP's eye if the hardcore hh.org people come to Z |
| 18:46:29 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:46:47 | VanDerVek | the new Hpaq |
| 18:46:47 | JasonNJ | I want to see HP do a linux pda |
| 18:46:59 | JasonNJ | I say, bring it on |
| 18:47:04 | kergoth | JasonNJ: I want to better collaborate with familiar and emdebian regarding kernel and application source changes. |
| 18:47:12 | JasonNJ | I dont think HP has the balls, but thats another mattter. |
| 18:47:47 | JasonNJ | kergoth: I would start touching base with a7r and also nelson |
| 18:47:58 | JasonNJ | tehy are both z owners and probably havent done much with their units |
| 18:48:21 | kergoth | JasonNJ: I'd like to speak with jamey about the kernel aspects as well, specifically the maintainance of the kernel tree and cvs. |
| 18:48:36 | dctanner_ | argf. |
| 18:48:45 | JasonNJ | have they done any security improvments |
| 18:48:53 | JasonNJ | or do they have the same braindead security we do |
| 18:48:53 | kergoth | with regard to...? |
| 18:48:55 | kergoth | ah |
| 18:49:00 | dc__ | kergoth: can you do me a favour ;)? |
| 18:49:06 | kergoth | opie works the way in familiar that it does on the Z |
| 18:49:12 | kergoth | dc__: yeah whatd ya need |
| 18:49:13 | treke_ | JasonNJ : as in running everything as root? |
| 18:49:17 | JasonNJ | yeah thats no good |
| 18:49:18 | treke_ | familiar does that |
| 18:49:38 | dc__ | kergoth: screenshots of the main Apps page with imagegallery installed :} |
| 18:49:47 | JasonNJ | bzflag and I discussed yesterday replacing the rsync 4242 crap with scp/ssh |
| 18:49:57 | dc__ | kergoth: I really want to imagegallery icon for my little X11 imagegallery app :} |
| 18:50:17 | kergoth | ah... i dont have imagegallery |
| 18:50:19 | JasonNJ | thsi way, all teh remote logins can be secure |
| 18:50:27 | JasonNJ | file transfer, console, vnc, etc |
| 18:50:43 | JasonNJ | just have one networking service, plus maybe http |
| 18:50:48 | treke_ | the Z uses telnet instead off ssh right? |
| 18:50:59 | JasonNJ | well, telnet is not turned on by default |
| 18:51:08 | kergoth | heh, you could just port forward to run shit accross the ssh connection |
| 18:51:13 | JasonNJ | we already have ssh working but it is an addin |
| 18:51:18 | kergoth | oh yeah |
| 18:51:27 | kergoth | speaking of which, you want new openssh packages for the sharp rom? |
| 18:51:31 | treke_ | then again, most people probably leave their password as rootme :) |
| 18:51:34 | kergoth | split into ssh-common, ssh-client, ssh-server |
| 18:51:38 | JasonNJ | yeah we could use those |
| 18:51:45 | JasonNJ | send them to ben meyer |
| 18:51:52 | JasonNJ | he is going to redo the servermanager |
| 18:51:58 | kergoth | k will do |
| 18:52:03 | kergoth | is he adding samba as well? |
| 18:52:09 | benmeyer | no |
| 18:52:13 | benmeyer | too anoying |
| 18:52:14 | kergoth | and it needs to handle sshd running both from inetd and from init |
| 18:52:16 | kergoth | hah |
| 18:52:18 | benmeyer | coun't get it to work |
| 18:52:22 | benmeyer | maybe a client |
| 18:52:28 | benmeyer | but we really don't need a server |
| 18:52:29 | kergoth | it doesnt need to alter samba config.. |
| 18:52:41 | kergoth | it only needs to uncomment/comment smbd and nmbd lines in inetd |
| 18:52:47 | JasonNJ | yeah a qt smb browser would be nice |
| 18:52:54 | kergoth | or.. alternately, disable/enable the startup scripts if its not running from inetd |
| 18:53:55 | benmeyer | hmm, well get me ipks were that is all I have to do and I will add it |
| 18:54:06 | dc__ | arg.. |
| 18:54:16 | dc__ | where's the Z software index again? |
| 18:54:20 | VanDerVek | grrr |
| 18:54:30 | | somebody said zsi was http://killefiz.de/zaurus/ |
| 18:54:30 | killefiz | ibot: zsi |
| 18:54:30 | Rince | killefiz.de |
| 18:55:01 | killefiz | now featuring midnight commander for the zaurus ;) |
| 18:55:11 | JasonNJ | killefiz: how big is it |
| 18:55:15 | JasonNJ | I bet it runs ugly |
| 18:55:32 | ]DrEvil[ | why wont the python ipk install to my sd card |
| 18:55:41 | killefiz | mc? no idea - sharp germany still has my Z for "repair" |
| 18:55:51 | treke_ | Neo|Work : can you add CC to your bug tracker? |
| 18:55:53 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: you dont have the space for the installation in the rootfs? |
| 18:56:05 | killefiz | (third week now ...) |
| 18:56:09 | ]DrEvil[ | I have space |
| 18:56:18 | ]DrEvil[ | but I am trying to limit what I put there |
| 18:56:33 | kergoth | you need room for it to extract to /tmp as well as space on sd.. thats the most common failure |
| 18:56:36 | | dc__: excuse me? |
| 18:56:36 | dc__ | ibot zaurus software index |
| 18:56:38 | dc__ | foo! |
| 18:56:43 | dc__ | killefiz: ! |
| 18:56:52 | ]DrEvil[ | hmmm |
| 18:56:54 | dc__ | killefiz: where's your software index? |
| 18:57:00 | | OK, killefiz. |
| 18:57:00 | killefiz | ibot: zaurus software index is at http://killefiz.de/zaurus/ |
| 18:57:04 | ]DrEvil[ | it's a 1.9meg file |
| 18:57:06 | | well, zaurus software index is at http://killefiz.de/zaurus/ |
| 18:57:06 | dc__ | ibot zaurus software index |
| 18:57:07 | dc__ | :D |
| 18:57:36 | ]DrEvil[ | I have 16 megs free of ram |
| 18:58:26 | dc__ | anyone here own a copy of image gallery? |
| 18:58:32 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: no idea then. run qinstall from the command line to see errors |
| 18:59:27 | whardier | alo |
| 18:59:35 | kergoth | hey whardier |
| 19:00:00 | whardier | http://www.mcphee.com/products/devils/10676.html |
| 19:00:05 | ]DrEvil[ | hmmm |
| 19:00:11 | ]DrEvil[ | it's bitching about libc6 |
| 19:00:37 | ]DrEvil[ | the Z doesn't have libc6 built in? |
| 19:00:53 | kergoth | ]DrEvil[: it has libc, but it wasnt installed via ipkg |
| 19:01:00 | kergoth | ]DrEvil[: so it doesnt satisfy the depend. |
| 19:01:46 | ]DrEvil[ | hmmm |
| 19:01:50 | ]DrEvil[ | so a manual install I guess |
| 19:02:32 | kergoth | you cant manually install to cf/sd |
| 19:02:34 | kergoth | only to root |
| 19:02:39 | ]DrEvil[ | grrr |
| 19:02:44 | kergoth | well you can do it, but the symlinks wont get created |
| 19:02:49 | kergoth | you could create them manually to hack it in |
| 19:03:16 | ]DrEvil[ | do any of the package managers support turning off deps? |
| 19:03:27 | kergoth | ipkg does. |
| 19:03:30 | kergoth | its called -force-depends |
| 19:03:36 | MSpin | grr...the spectrum driver seems to not like the kernel headers that come with the SDK |
| 19:03:38 | kergoth | but i dont know if the sharp package manager has a way of doing it |
| 19:03:43 | ]DrEvil[ | I mean the gui |
| 19:03:55 | kergoth | MSpin: odd. you need the build commands? its built in the openzaurus buildsystem fine |
| 19:03:59 | ]DrEvil[ | so it can install to SD |
| 19:04:09 | kergoth | ]DrEvil[: oipkg can do it, but oipkg wont work on the sharp rom atm |
| 19:04:17 | ]DrEvil[ | yes |
| 19:04:19 | ]DrEvil[ | I know |
| 19:04:21 | ]DrEvil[ | I tried it |
| 19:04:22 | ]DrEvil[ | heh |
| 19:04:29 | MSpin | kergoth: hrm, sure |
| 19:04:40 | ]DrEvil[ | quickest way to kill a Z |
| 19:04:51 | MSpin | spectrum24-0.3.2 right? |
| 19:05:01 | kergoth | yep thats correc.t |
| 19:05:28 | Neo|Work | haha |
| 19:05:38 | benmeyer | kergoth: Are you ever going to have opie make a 1-2MB base install that is installed on cramfs so that users can't cream it? |
| 19:05:43 | Neo|Work | I changed password in a place and managed to type it incorrectly, the same way, twice |
| 19:05:47 | kergoth | benmeyer: not cramfs |
| 19:06:01 | benmeyer | or some other non-writeable fs? |
| 19:06:01 | Neo|Work | I then typed it in a shell time and again to see in what ways I mistyped it |
| 19:06:03 | kergoth | benmeyer: better off running opie as nonroot |
| 19:06:09 | JasonNJ | wait isnt the driver spectrum_cs not spectrum24t_cs |
| 19:06:10 | Neo|Work | first mistype was the correct one (after say 4-5 tries :-) |
| 19:06:12 | Neo|Work | that was funny |
| 19:06:12 | kergoth | benmeyer: and then not allowing said user to overwrite it |
| 19:06:14 | JasonNJ | the roski driver is different |
| 19:06:24 | kergoth | JasonNJ: yes |
| 19:07:15 | JasonNJ | is the roski a microdriver and not a full driver? It requires orinoco and also hermes right |
| 19:07:24 | kergoth | its a full driver to my knowledge |
| 19:07:40 | kergoth | yes its a orinoco_cs based driver, which requires orinoco and hermes. |
| 19:07:41 | JasonNJ | k because hermes and orinoco runs whenever that one is loaded |
| 19:07:47 | kergoth | yep |
| 19:07:50 | JasonNJ | right |
| 19:08:06 | kergoth | could be that the filename is diffferent jason |
| 19:08:09 | kergoth | dont know offhand |
| 19:08:29 | JasonNJ | the file mspin is looking at is not the roski driver for the socket though |
| 19:08:37 | JasonNJ | thats the pcmcia spectrum24 |
| 19:08:42 | kergoth | yeah it is. 0.3.2 is it |
| 19:08:53 | kergoth | sanity checks |
| 19:08:53 | JasonNJ | ah |
| 19:09:22 | kergoth | source $(CONFIG_DIR)/methods/source && \ |
| 19:09:22 | kergoth | _source http://www.red-bean.com/~proski/symbol/spectrum24-0.3.2.tar.gz $(DL_DIR)/spectrum24-0.3.2.tar.gz && \ |
| 19:09:30 | JasonNJ | hokey day. |
| 19:09:42 | JasonNJ | meeza losing my mind. |
| 19:10:05 | MSpin | the big question is if proski can use iwconfig:) |
| 19:10:08 | MSpin | JasonNJ: heh |
| 19:11:05 | JasonNJ | pretty amazing how quickly the socket card became teh focus of attention |
| 19:11:06 | kergoth | JasonNJ: didnt you run iwconfig on the socket when you were using oz? or was that the linksys? |
| 19:11:24 | JasonNJ | iwconfig runs but it doenst support certain extensions |
| 19:11:44 | kergoth | yeah it runs but the monitor private ioctl isnt supported, so no kismet |
| 19:11:48 | kergoth | but wlanmon should work id think |
| 19:12:01 | MSpin | kergoth: it mostly does work |
| 19:12:09 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:12:10 | kergoth | mostly? |
| 19:12:19 | MSpin | the problems seemed to be in my parsing of /proc/net/wireless |
| 19:12:22 | kergoth | ah |
| 19:13:23 | kergoth | whew 2.4.18-rmk6 is finally in my cvs |
| 19:13:25 | kergoth | took a while |
| 19:13:32 | kergoth | hope i got the tag and branch shit right |
| 19:13:37 | kergoth | needs to learn more cvs |
| 19:19:35 | nemui-chan | Hey guys. |
| 19:20:09 | nemui-chan | heya ljp. |
| 19:20:56 | mark | hi nem |
| 19:21:09 | ljp | i |
| 19:21:10 | ljp | hi even |
| 19:21:18 | kergoth | re |
| 19:21:48 | mark | ljp: i to you too |
| 19:22:03 | ljp | ;) |
| 19:22:54 | | mark: huh? |
| 19:22:54 | mark | ibot: ljp |
| 19:23:01 | mark | ljp: you need an entry |
| 19:23:10 | | OK, mark. |
| 19:23:10 | mark | ibot: ljp is opie's resident comedian |
| 19:23:42 | [DrEvil] | hrmmm |
| 19:23:45 | ljp | heheh there was one there, but I changed it |
| 19:24:04 | [DrEvil] | how much will I screw up ipkg if I fake an entry in /usr/lib/ipkg/status |
| 19:24:11 | MSpin | kergoth, JasonNJ: check out http://www.mspin.net/~jjhuff/snapshot1.png |
| 19:24:30 | Twiun | rehi |
| 19:24:47 | MSpin | does something like that look right? |
| 19:25:09 | mark | MSpin: looks cool to me |
| 19:25:19 | MSpin | mark: cool, thanks |
| 19:25:40 | kergoth | MSpin: yes, that sort of inteface should work fine |
| 19:25:53 | ljp | handhelds bugzilla hangs all three of my browsers.. so I refuse to use it |
| 19:25:57 | MSpin | k, I'll build that then |
| 19:25:59 | mark | thinks kruler gets my favorite kde app award |
| 19:34:54 | JasonNJ | benajmin's new tabmanager rox |
| 19:37:22 | [DrEvil] | grrr |
| 19:37:39 | [DrEvil] | I can't get busybox to to unpack properly |
| 19:38:35 | Neo|Work | JasonNJ: but it still messes up uninstallation of apps right? |
| 19:39:45 | nemui-chan | heya mark |
| 19:39:50 | nemui-chan | a bit late :) I'm at work. |
| 19:44:45 | [DrEvil] | http://www.xach.com/debian-users-are-beatniks.html |
| 19:47:04 | nemui-chan | lol |
| 19:47:12 | nemui-chan | Hippy damnit! HIPPY! |
| 19:47:33 | [DrEvil] | beatnik |
| 19:47:51 | nemui-chan | But rpm does suck. ;p |
| 19:47:59 | nemui-chan | at least tell me you agree with that? :p |
| 19:48:06 | [DrEvil] | what is that you are smoking?> |
| 19:48:19 | nemui-chan | You're joking.. you think rpm is good? |
| 19:48:31 | [DrEvil] | it's neither good nor bad |
| 19:48:33 | [DrEvil] | it just is |
| 19:48:38 | nemui-chan | lol. |
| 19:48:47 | nemui-chan | I just dont like having to load 40 other packages before I get my one package loaded. |
| 19:48:55 | nemui-chan | I prefer "Hey, want us to load these 40 packages FOR you?" |
| 19:49:00 | [DrEvil] | you have to do that with apt |
| 19:49:05 | nemui-chan | No you dont. |
| 19:49:05 | [DrEvil] | you just don't notice it |
| 19:49:08 | nemui-chan | you hit "Yes" |
| 19:49:18 | nemui-chan | rpm, you have to go download htem and load them one by one. |
| 19:49:27 | nemui-chan | But anyways, what was the link for the lesbian pron-get? :) |
| 19:49:32 | [DrEvil] | no you don't |
| 19:49:52 | [DrEvil] | let me see if it is working |
| 19:50:22 | [DrEvil] | http://www.lesbian.mine.nu/ |
| 19:50:23 | [DrEvil] | there |
| 19:50:24 | [DrEvil] | it is working |
| 19:52:09 | MSpin | nemui-chan: that's not a fault of the rpm format. It's the fault of the utilities that use it |
| 19:52:28 | [DrEvil] | the mandrake rpm front end does it all |
| 19:52:32 | nemui-chan | I'm not arguing the fact. |
| 19:52:40 | MSpin | so does ewscarpet |
| 19:52:41 | nemui-chan | I'll agree on that point. :) |
| 19:52:42 | kergoth | does rpm have a Build Depends yet? |
| 19:52:43 | MSpin | red |
| 19:52:46 | nemui-chan | No kergoth. |
| 19:52:56 | nemui-chan | Thats my big complaint about it. |
| 19:52:57 | kergoth | k, that I have to complain about if thats the case. |
| 19:53:03 | nemui-chan | My only complaint really. |
| 19:53:11 | MSpin | I think the big difference is the time put into the packages |
| 19:53:52 | nemui-chan | lol |
| 19:54:02 | nemui-chan | linuxforlesbians.org is blocked by my firewall. |
| 19:54:10 | kergoth | whew finally done getting 2.4.18-rmk6 into cvs, now I can get back to work |
| 19:55:56 | nemui-chan | [DrEvil] : Is this for real, or some insane joke? ;) |
| 19:56:07 | [DrEvil] | it's for real |
| 19:56:10 | [DrEvil] | you can download the iso |
| 19:56:29 | [DrEvil] | heh |
| 19:56:37 | [DrEvil] | maybe my old 486 has found a use |
| 19:56:38 | nemui-chan | lol |
| 19:57:55 | [DrEvil] | but that would mean actually running debian |
| 20:09:57 | kergoth | hmm i need a script to split apart a patch file which is against multiple files in a tree into the seperate diff's for each file |
| 20:09:59 | kergoth | ideas? |
| 20:13:16 | MSpin | perl? |
| 20:13:42 | kergoth | yah thats probably best |
| 20:14:03 | kergoth | I need to do some analysis on this embedix patch |
| 20:14:22 | kergoth | determine what is COLLIE specific, what is IRIS specific, and what is independant and may have already been fixed in 2.4.18-rmk6 |
| 20:14:47 | MSpin | hehe yea |
| 20:14:55 | MSpin | I ran into some of that |
| 20:15:23 | MSpin | I have a strong feeling that this other embedded project is going to be running OZ LOL |
| 20:16:43 | kergoth | hehe. like i keep saying, its just another debian based embedded distro. nothing zaurus specific really. same for familiar. |
| 20:16:56 | kergoth | we really need to improve the coordination of thes eopen source embedded projects, imo |
| 20:17:00 | kergoth | reduce duplicated effort |
| 20:17:42 | BigBoss | l |
| 20:18:00 | kergoth | well l to you too |
| 20:19:01 | MSpin | that's a hard thing, most embedded systems are so different |
| 20:20:10 | kergoth | well its all linux |
| 20:20:12 | kergoth | most use linux tools |
| 20:20:21 | kergoth | any source changes to those tools could be used accross all of them |
| 20:20:30 | MSpin | yes, but filesystems layouts, etc.. |
| 20:20:34 | kergoth | yeah |
| 20:20:45 | kergoth | I'm worried more about code changes and improvements than structure |
| 20:20:49 | MSpin | I think it's a harder problem than the desktop world |
| 20:20:57 | MSpin | but that's fragmented too |
| 20:20:58 | kergoth | i.e. openzaurus has some specific patches against source trees to build for arm |
| 20:20:59 | MSpin | yeah, true |
| 20:21:07 | kergoth | those patches could be used in multiple buildsystems for multiple distros |
| 20:21:20 | kergoth | some committed upstream, but pushing them upstream takes time.. |
| 20:23:12 | kergoth | whew some creative shell scripting got me the info i needed.. what embedix patches were collie specific, and which were not |
| 20:23:29 | MSpin | hrm...shell scripts |
| 20:23:36 | nemui-chan | Anyone have a CF reader? That can tell me what modules to compile into linux? I seem to find a horrid lack of documentation. |
| 20:23:58 | [DrEvil] | usb? |
| 20:24:09 | MSpin | usb-storage usually does it |
| 20:24:18 | [DrEvil] | yeah |
| 20:24:20 | [DrEvil] | oh |
| 20:24:24 | [DrEvil] | and scsi |
| 20:24:44 | MSpin | yeah |
| 20:24:49 | MSpin | mmm...QSocketNotifier |
| 20:25:04 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:26:49 | MSpin | what's the QT debug printing macro? |
| 20:27:14 | kergoth | qDebug? |
| 20:27:22 | kergoth | there's also qWarning of course |
| 20:27:27 | kergoth | kergoth@geezer:~/buildroot-oz/build$ cat changedfiles-collie changedfiles-other| wc -l |
| 20:27:27 | kergoth | 456 |
| 20:27:35 | MSpin | eww! |
| 20:27:48 | kergoth | 456 changed files by that embedix patch.. thats excluding stuff for the IRIS sa1100 implementation which isnt applicable here |
| 20:27:49 | kergoth | 456!! |
| 20:27:53 | kergoth | shoots self |
| 20:29:14 | [DrEvil] | shhh |
| 20:29:19 | [DrEvil] | it's the clone master |
| 20:29:42 | ljp | whhhaaa? |
| 20:30:08 | ljp | I'm going to start cloning gnome apps |
| 20:30:42 | [DrEvil] | into other gnome apps? |
| 20:30:49 | [DrEvil] | or from gtk to qt? |
| 20:33:32 | warmi | are there are Gnome apps worth cloning ? |
| 20:33:40 | warmi | are> any |
| 20:33:46 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:33:56 | kergoth | starts onto those 456 source files |
| 20:34:14 | [DrEvil] | warmi: I am attempting to install smbfs |
| 20:34:19 | kergoth | hey there are only 85 files specific to the COLLIE stuff |
| 20:34:20 | kergoth | woot! |
| 20:34:22 | kergoth | :-) |
| 20:34:43 | warmi | DrEvil: you know what ... there is an ipkg for smbfs |
| 20:34:51 | [DrEvil] | but does it work? |
| 20:34:54 | kergoth | smbfs is a kernel module. |
| 20:34:59 | warmi | well, they claim it does |
| 20:35:03 | [DrEvil] | I couldn't get the ipkg to work |
| 20:35:09 | [DrEvil] | what is the url for it |
| 20:35:10 | warmi | I didn't know better and installed from deb arm distro last night |
| 20:35:20 | kergoth | hello, the kernel module would have to be build against 2.4.6-blahblah-embedix |
| 20:35:25 | kergoth | s/build/built/ |
| 20:35:26 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:35:54 | warmi | DrEvil: don't remember ... benmayer posted it this morning |
| 20:36:02 | [DrEvil] | *sigh* |
| 20:36:09 | [DrEvil] | where did he post it>? |
| 20:36:18 | kergoth | should i add smbfs support to the OZ kernel by default? |
| 20:36:20 | [DrEvil] | gets all anxious |
| 20:36:22 | kergoth | i think i will |
| 20:36:22 | [DrEvil] | yes |
| 20:36:48 | [DrEvil] | it will make a wlan hacking toolkit much easier |
| 20:36:52 | warmi | here . on this channel |
| 20:36:58 | kergoth | hah |
| 20:37:01 | kergoth | its already built in OZ |
| 20:37:03 | kergoth | kergoth@geezer:~/buildroot-oz/build$ cat ../sources/linux.config|grep SMB |
| 20:37:03 | kergoth | CONFIG_SMB_FS=y |
| 20:37:09 | kergoth | compiled in monolithically |
| 20:37:10 | warmi | http://www.zauruszone.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard.cgi?s=3cebc9eb0728ffff;act=ST;f=15;t=60 |
| 20:37:16 | warmi | there you go DrEvil |
| 20:37:18 | [DrEvil] | oh |
| 20:37:22 | [DrEvil] | compile in autofs also |
| 20:37:32 | kergoth | k |
| 20:37:43 | kergoth | kergoth@geezer:~/buildroot-oz/build$ cat ../sources/linux.config|grep AUTOFS |
| 20:37:43 | kergoth | # CONFIG_AUTOFS_FS is not set |
| 20:37:43 | kergoth | # CONFIG_AUTOFS4_FS is not set |
| 20:37:45 | kergoth | both? |
| 20:37:59 | [DrEvil] | hmmm |
| 20:38:01 | kergoth | knows jack about autofs |
| 20:38:20 | [DrEvil] | it's similar to automounter....but a lot better |
| 20:38:31 | kergoth | okay looks like we want version 4 support. |
| 20:38:43 | kergoth | i enabled it. I'll build a new set of the kernels for oz10 then. |
| 20:39:09 | [DrEvil] | there are some nice scripts that build autofs maps for nfs and smb |
| 20:39:18 | kergoth | cool |
| 20:39:21 | [DrEvil] | so all you do is cd into the computer and you see the shares |
| 20:40:08 | kergoth | hmm lineo changed the irda stuff for some reason |
| 20:40:11 | [DrEvil] | be nice to integrate that feature into a file manager |
| 20:40:12 | kergoth | vi's patch |
| 20:40:45 | kergoth | ah some of their changes added the oom_kill support |
| 20:41:10 | MSpin | yay! |
| 20:41:22 | kergoth | they also added the ability to change the direction of parsing the linked list in the power managmeent code |
| 20:41:26 | kergoth | what else |
| 20:41:31 | kergoth | i'm finding i like kernel space |
| 20:41:32 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:41:32 | Gepeto | boo! |
| 20:41:36 | kergoth | ahhh |
| 20:41:55 | Twiun | JasonNJ: Quick send him some more CF cards without drivers ;-) |
| 20:42:02 | [DrEvil] | kergoth: is nfs support on in your kernel? |
| 20:42:11 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: yes |
| 20:42:51 | [DrEvil] | hmmm |
| 20:42:56 | [DrEvil] | ponders ncp |
| 20:43:23 | [DrEvil] | thinks |
| 20:44:25 | [DrEvil] | in later versions NCP support might be good |
| 20:44:25 | kergoth | got the number of files changed down to 448.. |
| 20:44:58 | kergoth | 6 of which are oom_kill specific |
| 20:46:40 | MSpin | [DrEvil]: no, no ncp |
| 20:47:04 | [DrEvil] | MSpin: oh come on |
| 20:47:09 | [DrEvil] | people still use Novell |
| 20:47:45 | [DrEvil] | there might be some vertical application that someone needs on a handheld that supports NCP |
| 20:48:01 | MSpin | but not in the stock kernel |
| 20:49:14 | ljp | ponders explaining to non technical people how to reset their CMOS |
| 20:49:30 | Gepeto | ljp: he he he ;) |
| 20:49:32 | Gepeto | good luck |
| 20:49:36 | Gepeto | may the force be with you |
| 20:49:52 | ljp | hehehe.. may the force be with them.. that is |
| 20:49:58 | Gepeto | no, you |
| 20:50:04 | Gepeto | cause if it screws up |
| 20:50:07 | Gepeto | it'll be your problem :) |
| 20:50:20 | [DrEvil] | may the Schwartz be with you |
| 20:51:35 | [DrEvil] | warmi: it looks like this smbmount file is stuff from debian-arm |
| 20:52:21 | ljp | heh I said.. if that doesn't work.. take it in to a repair shop.. |
| 20:52:41 | kergoth | man, im tempted to remove collie_buzzer.c for the moment |
| 20:53:20 | kergoth | ljp: you want to help port this shit to 2.4.18? I've got the source tree in cvs |
| 20:53:20 | ljp | hmmmm why |
| 20:53:40 | ljp | ummm... I can once I get back home |
| 20:54:12 | ljp | did I just read you say you like kernel space? |
| 20:54:18 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:54:18 | kergoth | yeah |
| 20:54:21 | kergoth | its fun |
| 20:54:39 | ljp | how much are you having to change? |
| 20:54:45 | warmi | DrEvil: yeah, it is but it is nicely packaged |
| 20:55:02 | kergoth | ljp: surprisingly little actually |
| 20:55:11 | kergoth | ljp: for now I'm leaving out oom_kill, and XIP support |
| 20:56:18 | ljp | I got my firewall harddrive to spinup again |
| 20:56:24 | kergoth | nice |
| 20:56:26 | ljp | by hitting it |
| 20:56:44 | kergoth | hah |
| 20:56:54 | ljp | its now up till those bearings or the electricity fails |
| 20:57:46 | [DrEvil] | heh |
| 20:57:52 | [DrEvil] | is it connected to a UPS? |
| 20:58:16 | MSpin | prolly just a loose wire:) |
| 20:58:18 | ljp | ya a small one |
| 20:58:41 | ljp | no.. its an old drive thats been spinning for about a year solid |
| 20:58:50 | ljp | and I took it down |
| 20:59:05 | ljp | for a few days while by dsl gets hooked back up |
| 21:00:42 | ljp | I'm thinking of going solid state on it http://www.adtron.com/family_detail.html?id=SDDA |
| 21:02:25 | MSpin | ljp: how often do you need to write to it? |
| 21:02:36 | ljp | not very often |
| 21:02:41 | MSpin | burn a CD:) |
| 21:02:55 | MSpin | boot off the CD and run from ramdisk |
| 21:03:12 | ljp | thought about that also |
| 21:04:55 | [DrEvil] | yay |
| 21:04:57 | [DrEvil] | it works |
| 21:05:12 | [DrEvil] | warmi: the smbmount ipk works |
| 21:06:52 | warmi | good |
| 21:07:17 | warmi | I am gonna get rid of mine hack and install ipkg then |
| 21:07:30 | mark | i have a widget designed in designer, with layouts so it resizes nicely. w hen I add it to a QDialog though its not resizing with the resizing of the dialog. ideas? |
| 21:08:24 | ljp | heheheh you can make the taskbar really big by making an applet really big |
| 21:08:31 | kergoth | hah |
| 21:08:37 | mark | ljp: you have a warped sense of fun :) |
| 21:09:00 | ljp | "I can't see anything but the taskbar" |
| 21:09:17 | ljp | room for more apps on it that way |
| 21:09:35 | [DrEvil] | hmmm |
| 21:09:43 | [DrEvil] | I see autofs stuff in the sharp rom |
| 21:09:54 | kergoth | yep |
| 21:09:55 | [DrEvil] | but...I don't see everything that is needed |
| 21:11:02 | Twiun | kergoth: remember that interleaving question I had earlier? |
| 21:11:06 | [DrEvil] | does the Z use autofs to auto mount CF and SD cards? |
| 21:11:09 | kergoth | Twiun: yeah |
| 21:11:14 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: no |
| 21:11:17 | Twiun | kergoth: Here's the final result: |
| 21:11:20 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: cardmgr mounts cf, sdmgr mounts sd |
| 21:11:22 | Twiun | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1866240000 May 22 22:07 GLOBAL.DEM |
| 21:11:31 | [DrEvil] | ahh...ok |
| 21:11:51 | MSpin | Twiun: mmmm..DEM |
| 21:12:12 | Twiun | MSpin: GTOPO30 raw data for the globe |
| 21:12:19 | MSpin | that'd do it |
| 21:12:49 | Twiun | yup... I needed to merge all the tiles... their tile size of 56megs was too big to feed to my mapping server |
| 21:13:07 | Twiun | now I've got the entire thing, I can cut it up whichever way I want |
| 21:13:13 | MSpin | nice |
| 21:13:23 | MSpin | you building a map server? |
| 21:13:40 | Twiun | I've got a working one atm... the data isn't very high res though |
| 21:14:05 | MSpin | the USGS has better stuff for the US Ithink |
| 21:14:23 | Twiun | Exactly... I'll probably eventually merge their stuff in too |
| 21:14:41 | Twiun | I can configure the server to use different data for certain regions/scales |
| 21:14:48 | MSpin | ahh yeah |
| 21:14:53 | MSpin | what's it for? |
| 21:15:04 | Twiun | purely for a hobby for now |
| 21:15:05 | kergoth | shit |
| 21:15:12 | kergoth | did the power management interface change after 2.4.6/ |
| 21:15:15 | kergoth | hmm |
| 21:15:41 | MSpin | various community wireless networks have been working on stuff to get node maps pretty |
| 21:15:59 | Twiun | MSpin: might allow people to trace journeys on there - esp for round-the-world trips |
| 21:16:00 | jjbenham | I just recieved my Zaurus today! |
| 21:16:03 | kergoth | oh nifty it supports clock scaling to reduce power consumption.. hm |
| 21:16:05 | Twiun | jjbenham: congrats ;-) |
| 21:16:12 | MSpin | Twiun: awesome |
| 21:16:37 | jjbenham | how do I synk it with linux? Is there a linux driver for the docking station? |
| 21:18:22 | ljp | there's qtopiadesktop software |
| 21:18:31 | [DrEvil] | I should just leave the USB cable on my docking station unplugged |
| 21:19:15 | jjbenham | does the qtopiadesktop software have a driver for the docking station. There was no linux instructions on using the docking station. I only saw windows instructions. |
| 21:19:33 | [DrEvil] | you need usbdnet compiled with your kernel |
| 21:19:46 | [DrEvil] | it is a patch |
| 21:19:51 | [DrEvil] | unless you have Mandrake |
| 21:19:56 | [DrEvil] | then it is already there |
| 21:20:23 | jjbenham | DrEvil: It is not part of the standard kernel source from ftp.kernel.org? |
| 21:20:40 | [DrEvil] | nope |
| 21:20:45 | [DrEvil] | at least not yet |
| 21:20:52 | jjbenham | where do I get it then? |
| 21:21:24 | [DrEvil] | do you know how to compile the kernel? |
| 21:21:31 | warmi | Linux based PDA cannot synch with desktop computer running LInux OS ... ironic, isn't it ? |
| 21:22:19 | jjbenham | warmi: WTF! |
| 21:22:23 | [DrEvil] | http://www.zauruszone.com/wiki/index.php?ROMUpgrade |
| 21:22:41 | [DrEvil] | the patch is on that page |
| 21:23:05 | warmi | is it possible to have this patch compiled as a module ? |
| 21:23:13 | [DrEvil] | yes |
| 21:23:42 | warmi | then somebody should compile it and post *.o file :-) |
| 21:23:43 | jjbenham | what does this patch do if it does not sync with linux? |
| 21:23:56 | warmi | so we don't have to bother with compiling our kernels |
| 21:24:15 | ljp | http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=39939&release_id=78213 |
| 21:24:18 | warmi | it does .. I was talking about default say RH 7.3 being unable to synch with Zaurus |
| 21:24:37 | [DrEvil] | I don't think everyone is using the same kernel |
| 21:24:40 | jjbenham | oh ok. My heart rate is now lowering back to normal |
| 21:25:02 | jjbenham | I don't use windows at all. I don't even own a copy |
| 21:25:26 | warmi | then you should have no problem compiling kernel etc |
| 21:25:58 | warmi | ljp: what was that link you posted pointing to in particular ? |
| 21:26:25 | ljp | 'standalone' usbdnet |
| 21:26:33 | warmi | ah ok .. |
| 21:27:13 | mark | no matching function for call to `setPageGeneral::setPageGeneral (QGridLayout *&, resource *&)' -- i think i'm being stupid. |
| 21:27:24 | Twiun | MSpin: right... 331megs compressed, now to burn this on a cd so I don't have to redo all the work |
| 21:28:17 | [DrEvil] | hrmm |
| 21:28:19 | warmi | mark: check your return |
| 21:28:28 | [DrEvil] | getting autofs working might not be difficult |
| 21:28:36 | warmi | make sure your declaration has the same return type as the function itself |
| 21:29:08 | ljp | drevil: autofs works |
| 21:29:28 | [DrEvil] | on the Z? |
| 21:29:34 | mark | warmi: its a constructor. |
| 21:30:18 | MSpin | Twiun: LOL yeah |
| 21:30:30 | MSpin | sweet! ..kismet rocks:) |
| 21:30:31 | warmi | a peculiar name for a class "setPageGeneral" |
| 21:30:33 | warmi | hehe |
| 21:30:45 | ljp | DeEvil: yes it should, if you have the correct partition type |
| 21:33:08 | [DrEvil] | hmm |
| 21:33:11 | [DrEvil] | the files are there |
| 21:33:18 | mark | warmi: i know ;) |
| 21:33:34 | [DrEvil] | no startup scrip thohgh |
| 21:33:50 | warmi | it his Knights you are working on mark ? |
| 21:33:59 | mark | warmi: yes |
| 21:34:18 | ljp | DrEvil: do you mean automount? |
| 21:34:30 | [DrEvil] | yes |
| 21:34:31 | mark | warmi: settings dialog needed a redesign to fit on a 240x300 screen :) |
| 21:34:36 | bobstay | anyone want a work-in-progress zic 0.3 binary? |
| 21:34:45 | [DrEvil] | what does it do? |
| 21:34:52 | [DrEvil] | or...what are the new features? |
| 21:35:03 | bobstay | new features are: |
| 21:35:22 | bobstay | mainly perform |
| 21:35:41 | bobstay | but also alt nick, server password |
| 21:35:46 | bobstay | not a lot really, yet :) |
| 21:35:52 | ljp | bbl |
| 21:35:53 | [DrEvil] | no popups for users? |
| 21:35:55 | bobstay | couple of bugfixes, and a menubar |
| 21:35:59 | bobstay | not yet, working on it |
| 21:36:04 | bobstay | I need to fix aliases first |
| 21:36:06 | [DrEvil] | I'll try it |
| 21:36:19 | [DrEvil] | can you change your ident? |
| 21:36:27 | bobstay | no, I should add that :) |
| 21:36:45 | [DrEvil] | yeah |
| 21:37:10 | [DrEvil] | hrmmm |
| 21:37:14 | [DrEvil] | damn firewall |
| 21:37:17 | bobstay | heh |
| 21:37:37 | bobstay | oh, and the IRCDEBUG is compiled in |
| 21:37:49 | bobstay | so you'll get two extra tabs :\ |
| 21:37:52 | [DrEvil] | can you also add a skip motd feature? |
| 21:37:57 | bobstay | work-in-progress |
| 21:38:01 | [DrEvil] | k |
| 21:38:03 | bobstay | I'll add that to the todo |
| 21:38:29 | [DrEvil] | dunno if that will affect how much bandwith I use |
| 21:38:40 | bobstay | no, the server will still send it |
| 21:38:45 | bobstay | I can't stop that happening |
| 21:38:47 | [DrEvil] | dangit |
| 21:38:56 | [DrEvil] | trying to minimize GPRS data |
| 21:39:03 | bobstay | I know the feeling |
| 21:39:08 | bobstay | GPRS is £££ |
| 21:39:42 | [DrEvil] | when BT support gets better on the Z ai will be happy |
| 21:39:53 | bobstay | aye, I'll like bt |
| 21:40:00 | [DrEvil] | bluetooth |
| 21:40:04 | MSpin | mmmMMMmm |
| 21:40:06 | bobstay | I know |
| 21:40:13 | bobstay | do you want it, or not yet? |
| 21:40:25 | MSpin | wants it now:) |
| 21:40:27 | [DrEvil] | I can't mess with my firewall right now |
| 21:40:31 | [DrEvil] | so I guess no |
| 21:40:32 | bobstay | kay |
| 21:40:38 | MSpin | oh, hehe |
| 21:41:08 | [DrEvil] | I think I am going to setup a mailbox for my Z |
| 21:41:09 | [DrEvil] | heh |
| 21:44:09 | [DrEvil] | grrr |
| 21:44:12 | [DrEvil] | the server is down |
| 21:44:27 | bobstay | haha |
| 21:44:32 | bobstay | sod's law strikes again |
| 21:52:10 | jjbenham | is qtopia desktop opensource. I did not see the source for the desktop but only for the SDK. |
| 21:55:03 | warmi | I don't think Qtopiais OS |
| 21:55:29 | jjbenham | do You think I would like enlightenment better? |
| 21:57:10 | Neo|Work | the SDK _IS_ the OS |
| 21:57:16 | Neo|Work | uh s/OS/desktop/ |
| 21:57:20 | Neo|Work | just compiled for arm |
| 21:57:33 | Rince | Hmm... anyone here uses tkcjabber for the "official" ICQ? |
| 21:58:00 | Neo|Work | that said, the Zaurus does have changes which are not released as open source |
| 21:58:06 | Neo|Work | because they don't HAVE to do it |
| 22:04:01 | treke_ | no qtopia desktop is not open source |
| 22:04:55 | treke_ | only qtopia is open source (minus some proprietary stuff |
| 22:05:15 | jjbenham | do I want qtopia 1.50 or 3.0? |
| 22:05:20 | treke_ | 1.5 |
| 22:05:35 | jjbenham | oh |
| 22:05:49 | jjbenham | is enlightenment better? |
| 22:05:54 | Rince | Hmm, how can I use tkcjabber with icqn.mirabilis.com as icq-server? |
| 22:06:00 | Rince | I only see the ones from tkc? |
| 22:06:06 | treke_ | Rince : you cant |
| 22:06:21 | kergoth | jjbenham: you seem pretty confused. englightenement is a window manager. qtpoia desktop is a sync application. |
| 22:06:24 | jjbenham | I mean evolution. Not enlightenment sorry |
| 22:06:27 | Rince | I can't ? That's bad :-( |
| 22:06:27 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:06:38 | treke_ | tkcJabber is a Jabber client, not an icq client |
| 22:06:45 | kergoth | jjbenham: evolution is a PIM app. qtopia desktop is designed to sync with qtopia |
| 22:06:50 | treke_ | the jabber server knows how to talk to icq though |
| 22:06:53 | Rince | ah. |
| 22:06:57 | kergoth | jjbenham: evolution doesnt sync with the Zaurus directly, only with a script |
| 22:07:08 | Rince | So I have to connect to the jabberserver to use icq through it? |
| 22:07:11 | treke_ | yes |
| 22:07:18 | Rince | Hmm, then I have to test.. |
| 22:07:59 | jjbenham | what is the qtopia-free-3.00 ? |
| 22:08:09 | treke_ | Its a snapshot of qtopia 3.0 |
| 22:09:05 | Neo|Work | Jabber has transports, icq being one of them |
| 22:10:19 | jjbenham | you said qtopia desktop? If I download and compile qtopia-free-1.5 What am I missing. What propritary stuff is left out. Do I need it? |
| 22:10:42 | Neo|Work | qtopia desktop is the sync program and it's not open source |
| 22:10:55 | Neo|Work | and what's missing is various improvements I believe |
| 22:10:59 | Rince | okay... |
| 22:11:01 | Neo|Work | you might be better off looking at / using OPIE |
| 22:11:09 | Rince | and now I have to find out how to add my friends there :-) |
| 22:11:41 | treke_ | there are some apps that arent there. Opera, the mail client ( well a working version), and improvements |
| 22:11:45 | jjbenham | Neo|Work: I have the 5500. OPIE only works with 5000D doesn't it? |
| 22:11:49 | kergoth | jjbenham: i think you're confusing qtopia with qtopia desktop. |
| 22:11:56 | jjbenham | probably |
| 22:12:05 | kergoth | jjbenham: qtopia is the GUI on the zaurus itself |
| 22:12:11 | treke_ | qtopia desktop is the sync/pim program for your desktop computer |
| 22:12:13 | jjbenham | ok |
| 22:12:29 | Neo|Work | what is it you want? :P |
| 22:14:09 | jjbenham | Neo|Work: Sorry. I was just wishing for an opensource version of something that will sync with my Zaurus. Unfortunately the 5500 does not seem to be supported by OZ yet :( I was wanting to use all free software. |
| 22:14:29 | kergoth | jjbenham: OZ works great on the 5500. |
| 22:14:44 | Neo|Work | and it's on the wrong end anyway |
| 22:14:51 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:14:52 | kergoth | indeed. |
| 22:14:58 | jjbenham | kergorh: are you sure? I read on the home that it does not yet. |
| 22:15:07 | Neo|Work | opie and qtopia should be identical in terms of syncing really |
| 22:15:10 | kergoth | jjbenham: OZ is a replacement for the sharp ROMimage on the unit itself, not the desktop |
| 22:15:15 | kergoth | jjbenham: I created OZ, i'm sure. |
| 22:15:26 | kergoth | Neo|Work: yep, nothing changed there |
| 22:15:36 | jjbenham | cool |
| 22:16:13 | jjbenham | kergoth: So I can use OPIE than? |
| 22:16:34 | Neo|Work | you don't need to use OPIE |
| 22:16:44 | Neo|Work | that doesn't change the syncing situation at all |
| 22:16:52 | kergoth | jjbenham: opie is a replacement for qtopia. its syncing capabilities are identical to qtopia. |
| 22:17:09 | jjbenham | I am sorry. This is supposed to be a linux device. I am just confused. I open up the box and there is no linux documentation or any mention of linux at all. That SUCKS! |
| 22:17:21 | Neo|Work | no it doesn't suck |
| 22:17:24 | Neo|Work | it makes sense |
| 22:17:37 | Neo|Work | it runs Linux but it's not supposed to be something the average consumer knows about |
| 22:17:40 | kergoth | jjbenham: they arent marketing it to linux users. they're marketing it to the end user. the guy running windows. |
| 22:17:41 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:17:46 | jjbenham | I am not barking at you or anyone here |
| 22:17:47 | Neo|Work | I guess it sucks it doesn't come with "linux support" though |
| 22:18:13 | Neo|Work | that said, people are working on syncing with evolution for example |
| 22:18:21 | kergoth | they shouldve pushed usbdnet upstream to the linus tree long ago |
| 22:18:21 | kergoth | imo |
| 22:20:15 | Neo|Work | well, mandrake has usbdnet in it's kernels these days |
| 22:20:41 | Twiun | Neo|Work: yup, working nicely too |
| 22:20:50 | [DrEvil] | is there an ipkg switch to show installed packages? |
| 22:23:01 | josejose | load ./tmp/xchat/ircspeak.pl |
| 22:23:06 | josejose | grrrr |
| 22:25:51 | jjbenham | kergoth: do you suggust I use OPIE or what? |
| 22:27:03 | jjbenham | kergoth: If I move to OZ is it possible to go back if I decide? Can I back up the old rom? |
| 22:27:26 | [DrEvil] | you don't have the latest sharp rom |
| 22:27:29 | [DrEvil] | you should download it |
| 22:27:34 | [DrEvil] | that will be your backup |
| 22:27:39 | jjbenham | oh ok. |
| 22:27:50 | [DrEvil] | yes you can switch back and forth |
| 22:27:53 | jjbenham | sorry I am very new. I just got my Zaurus today |
| 22:28:03 | [DrEvil] | so I gathered |
| 22:28:29 | jjbenham | what software should I use? I am looking for something that will work with both. |
| 22:28:37 | Rince | anyway, off to bed for now |
| 22:28:48 | MSpin | ok, who wants to test some alpha code?:) |
| 22:29:02 | [DrEvil] | don't use oipkg with the sharp rom |
| 22:29:02 | nems | MSpin : Does it require a wireless card? |
| 22:29:04 | MSpin | (it's a kismet GUI ) |
| 22:29:07 | MSpin | yeah |
| 22:29:09 | [DrEvil] | hmmm |
| 22:29:10 | nems | Doh. Sorry :) |
| 22:29:16 | [DrEvil] | how nice is the gui? |
| 22:29:24 | MSpin | http://www.mspin.net/~jjhuff/kismet_qt |
| 22:29:28 | MSpin | [DrEvil]: you tell me |
| 22:29:34 | MSpin | it's alpha |
| 22:29:43 | nems | hands [DrEvil] a rom. ;) |
| 22:30:47 | jjbenham | DrEvil: oipkg? |
| 22:30:58 | MSpin | kergoth: ping? |
| 22:31:02 | MSpin | JasonNJ: ping? |
| 22:31:05 | [DrEvil] | it is a different package manager front end |
| 22:31:07 | nems | jjbenham : Its a different packaging system. |
| 22:31:13 | nems | Er.. what doc said. |
| 22:31:21 | [DrEvil] | it is evil if installed on the sharp rom |
| 22:31:39 | nems | Very. |
| 22:31:47 | nems | I had to reflash my rom whe nI installed it on the Sharp Rom. |
| 22:32:28 | [DrEvil] | you just had to reset it |
| 22:32:34 | [DrEvil] | you didn't have to reflash it |
| 22:32:42 | nems | Maybe I did just reset it |
| 22:32:45 | nems | I dont remember. |
| 22:32:50 | nems | Setting my Z up to begin with I had to flash a lot ;) |
| 22:32:53 | [DrEvil] | I know what happend |
| 22:32:57 | [DrEvil] | backup |
| 22:32:58 | [DrEvil] | lots |
| 22:33:13 | [DrEvil] | something bad will happen once I get this stuff working |
| 22:33:14 | [DrEvil] | I know it |
| 22:33:21 | nems | I prefer to just break things as soon as you get it so you can figure out what works... then you can start doing real work :) |
| 22:34:17 | jjbenham | will OPIE replace qtopia desktop even if I have the sharp rom still? |
| 22:34:39 | [DrEvil] | opie has nothing to do with what you are running on your desktop |
| 22:39:17 | [DrEvil] | it's all about the pentiums |
| 22:39:20 | [DrEvil] | uh huh |
| 22:39:22 | [DrEvil] | yeah |
| 22:40:42 | jjbenham | So you may have told me this but I misunderstood. Is there a replacement for qtopiadesktop yet? |
| 22:41:27 | treke_ | no |
| 22:43:08 | jjbenham | just the pearl script for evolution then |
| 22:43:40 | treke_ | 4right |
| 22:44:01 | jjbenham | does the qtopiadesktop work with kde3 yet? |
| 22:44:16 | treke_ | qtopiadesktop and kde 3 are completly unreleated |
| 22:44:29 | jjbenham | in the faq it says it does not work with kde3. |
| 22:44:30 | treke_ | qtopiadesktop is just a plain qt app. |
| 22:44:46 | kergoth | jjbenham: thats due to library difficulties. its not something kde3 specific really |
| 22:44:51 | kergoth | ugh long ass meeting |
| 22:44:59 | treke_ | just install qt 2 also? |
| 22:45:01 | jjbenham | oops sorry |
| 22:45:14 | kergoth | treke_: it uses qt3 iirc, but a version thats included with it |
| 22:45:15 | jjbenham | I figured it out., |
| 22:45:18 | kergoth | treke_: i dunno, i dont use it. heh |
| 22:45:34 | treke_ | doesnt se either of them |
| 22:46:31 | kergoth | i like scp myself :-) |
| 22:46:53 | treke_ | I occaisionally tar up my home directory, but dont really sync for the most part |
| 22:46:57 | MSpin | kergoth: yup:) |
| 22:47:24 | jjbenham | why does qtopiadesktop.tar.gz only have a Win32 install how to contained inside? |
| 22:47:32 | MSpin | kergoth: http://www.mspin.net/~jjhuff/kismet_qt |
| 22:47:37 | kergoth | jjbenham: because its broken |
| 22:47:42 | treke_ | jjbenham : because a linux install howto hasnt been written |
| 22:48:21 | kergoth | MSpin: that was fast |
| 22:48:26 | kergoth | MSpin: hehe |
| 22:48:36 | jjbenham | Do I just copy the *.so into /usr/lib and put the qtopiadeskto in /usr/bin |
| 22:48:38 | MSpin | kergoth: it doesn't do a lot....yet:) |
| 22:48:47 | kergoth | MSpin: course, but its something. ill take a look |
| 22:49:17 | kergoth | wonder what the best way to integrate it with wlansetup to alter your wireless config would be |
| 22:49:37 | MSpin | note sure |
| 22:50:22 | MSpin | this will list an entry for each AP |
| 22:50:24 | kergoth | currently wlansetup stores its config in wireless.conf using Config and just reads it and outputs it to wireless.opts.. you could alter wireless.opts directly, then spawn off wlansetup and send it a QCop call to write out wireless.opts |
| 22:50:27 | treke_ | jjbenham : add the qtopiadesktop directory into LD_LIBRARY_PATH and $PATH |
| 22:50:28 | kergoth | yeah, cool |
| 22:50:58 | MSpin | but for that type of thing you might want a network list |
| 22:51:13 | kergoth | most likely. just thinking long term |
| 22:51:19 | MSpin | yeah |
| 22:51:31 | jjbenham | treke_: thanks |
| 22:51:35 | MSpin | or maybe a press-hold menu |
| 22:51:43 | kergoth | yeah |
| 22:52:33 | kergoth | hey hunger |
| 22:52:43 | Neo|Work | is away: mtg |
| 22:53:52 | MSpin | I'll brb |
| 23:01:25 | kergoth | nice mspin. i like it so far. |
| 23:01:49 | MSpin | thanks |
| 23:02:02 | MSpin | have you picked up multiple APs? |
| 23:04:00 | MSpin | and were the byte counters incrementing? |
| 23:09:35 | kergoth | MSpin: yes I picked up 3 AP's, and the packet count was increasing. seems to work fine |
| 23:09:49 | kergoth | MSpin: course it picked up a wireless unit that isnt an AP.. hehe.. |
| 23:10:22 | MSpin | yeah, I need to add that |
| 23:10:27 | MSpin | was it a host? |
| 23:10:30 | kergoth | yeah |
| 23:10:37 | MSpin | sweet |
| 23:10:42 | MSpin | there's a flag for that |
| 23:10:46 | kergoth | yep i know |
| 23:10:46 | kergoth | :-) |
| 23:10:51 | kergoth | put a thing AP=yes/no |
| 23:11:24 | MSpin | yup |
| 23:11:27 | MSpin | and speed |
| 23:11:33 | kergoth | yea |
| 23:11:36 | kergoth | fun stuff |
| 23:11:37 | MSpin | I wish I could get signal strength |
| 23:11:39 | kergoth | works well |
| 23:11:49 | MSpin | kismet is *really* well designed |
| 23:11:53 | kergoth | could add a option to spawn off the kismet server first or something too |
| 23:11:55 | kergoth | is it? nice.. |
| 23:12:22 | ljp | someone using a Sharp rom want to do me a quick favor? |
| 23:12:42 | MSpin | say, on the wireless_monitor script, it might be nice to have it kill dhcpcd first |
| 23:13:20 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:13:31 | kergoth | it really needs to /etc/pcmcia/network stop wlan0 i'd say |
| 23:13:35 | kergoth | bring it down properly |
| 23:13:47 | MSpin | yeah true |
| 23:14:34 | MSpin | I also need to polish off this next release of wlanmon |
| 23:16:04 | kergoth | so kismet doesnt have an interface for signal strength and stuff eh? |
| 23:16:33 | kergoth | shit i just realized work is over |
| 23:16:35 | kergoth | i'm out of here |
| 23:22:17 | [DrEvil] | how do I turn on logging? |
| 23:26:46 | MSpin | how so? |
| 23:28:37 | [DrEvil] | I am trying to see the output of automount |
| 23:28:39 | [DrEvil] | it wont load |
| 23:30:57 | MSpin | oh |
| 23:30:59 | MSpin | dmesg |
| 23:31:12 | [DrEvil] | it's not dumping anything to dmesg |
| 23:38:58 | [DrEvil] | got it now |
| 23:42:27 | ljp | what are you trying to mount? |
| 23:43:48 | MSpin | oo |
| 23:43:54 | [DrEvil] | I am working on getting autofs working |
| 23:43:57 | MSpin | are you sure you want to ask? |
| 23:44:11 | [DrEvil] | it seems that the mount command on the Z doesn't support --bind |
| 23:44:14 | [DrEvil] | *sigh* |
| 23:44:27 | MSpin | busybox |
| 23:44:31 | nems | 1Whats --bind do? |
| 23:44:33 | nems | Again>? |
| 23:44:38 | nems | has typing problems. |
| 23:44:42 | ljp | doesn't the Z already automount? |
| 23:44:43 | [DrEvil] | Since Linux 2.4.0 it is possible to remount part of the |
| 23:44:43 | [DrEvil] | file hierarchy somewhere else. The call is |
| 23:44:43 | [DrEvil] | mount --bind olddir newdir |
| 23:44:48 | nems | Ah |
| 23:44:54 | [DrEvil] | no |
| 23:45:00 | [DrEvil] | not network file systems |
| 23:45:08 | ljp | ahhh ok.. |
| 23:45:21 | [DrEvil] | sheesh |
| 23:45:26 | [DrEvil] | atd sure logs a lot |
| 23:46:30 | [DrEvil] | busybox doesn't want to install |
| 23:47:05 | [DrEvil] | Configuring busybox-0.60.3-1...tar: ./bin/busybox: input/output error -- Read-only file system |
| 23:47:39 | [DrEvil] | tar: Bad tar header, skipping |
| 23:48:26 | [DrEvil] | and there are far too many links to create for busybox |
| 23:51:56 | MSpin | the busy box in the shharp rom must not support --bind |
| 23:52:27 | MSpin | you *could* extract the executable from the ipk an drop it in /home/root |
| 23:53:05 | [DrEvil] | I just tried a bb from the net |
| 23:53:13 | [DrEvil] | and it doesn't support --bind either |
| 23:53:23 | MSpin | which version? |
| 23:53:26 | MSpin | well |
| 23:53:29 | MSpin | compiler mount |
| 23:53:50 | [DrEvil] | busybox-0.60.3-1_arm.ipk |
| 23:56:20 | [DrEvil] | the problem is |
| 23:56:32 | [DrEvil] | how do I make my mount work before the built in one |
| 23:57:10 | [DrEvil] | automount is going to look in /bin first |
