| 00:00:02 | nasa | let me see if I can find it. |
| 00:01:59 | nems | I'm gonna try oz10 again... |
| 00:02:01 | nems | sighs. |
| 00:02:08 | [DrEvil] | heh |
| 00:02:35 | nasa | I think oz10 is better than the shipping rom (even with the stability problems) |
| 00:02:52 | Fatbum | yo yo |
| 00:02:55 | Fatbum | updatin away |
| 00:03:04 | Fatbum | windsuck a lot formatted my cf right this time |
| 00:03:08 | Fatbum | things are looking up |
| 00:03:11 | Fatbum | still hate you ms |
| 00:04:12 | N0Remorse | hi who uses tkcjabber? |
| 00:04:35 | Fatbum | oz installed! |
| 00:04:36 | Fatbum | wheee |
| 00:04:58 | nems | I dont use theKompany stuff... too expensive :) |
| 00:05:19 | | hrabbey: bugger all, i dunno |
| 00:05:19 | HrAbbey | ibot oz10? |
| 00:05:39 | nasa | sorry, still can't find instructions... |
| 00:05:44 | nems | thats ok |
| 00:05:47 | nems | I changed to oz10 |
| 00:05:47 | HrAbbey | I thought Oz was still 3.0 beta 9... Is Oz10 out? |
| 00:05:48 | nems | again. |
| 00:05:54 | nems | 10 is beta too. |
| 00:05:55 | N0Remorse | nems you got icq? |
| 00:05:55 | nems | pre10 |
| 00:06:00 | nems | Yup, why? |
| 00:06:07 | HrAbbey | Ah... |
| 00:06:11 | Fatbum | how longs ox take? |
| 00:06:18 | Fatbum | geez |
| 00:06:21 | N0Remorse | what client? |
| 00:06:23 | nems | ljp: Ok.. pre10 loaded the mods right this time. |
| 00:06:33 | nems | N0Remorse : oops.. you meant on the Z? no.. sorry. |
| 00:06:41 | nems | You can pro'lly compile licq for it though. |
| 00:06:44 | N0Remorse | ah |
| 00:06:57 | N0Remorse | nope needs pth |
| 00:06:59 | Fatbum | badasssss bg |
| 00:08:21 | nasa | X-Files is on --- Later |
| 00:08:29 | nasa | X-Files is on... |
| 00:09:09 | Fatbum | gay |
| 00:09:13 | Fatbum | in city time in oz |
| 00:09:18 | Fatbum | wheres central standard? |
| 00:09:37 | Fatbum | any1? |
| 00:09:49 | nems | ok.. how do I get rid of the stupid keyboard in pre10 and get back the handwriting software? |
| 00:10:43 | ljp | fat: press the stylus near where you are on the map |
| 00:11:10 | ljp | nems install that from feed |
| 00:11:21 | nems | What package is it? |
| 00:12:00 | Fatbum | ljp there is no near me |
| 00:12:07 | Fatbum | denver isnt in cst |
| 00:12:11 | Fatbum | its mountain isnt it? |
| 00:12:31 | Fatbum | and i cant set that place to the locations |
| 00:12:42 | Fatbum | oh wait the last one yea |
| 00:12:45 | Fatbum | but still |
| 00:12:54 | Fatbum | the old rom had san antonio |
| 00:13:20 | ljp | yes mountain |
| 00:13:44 | Fatbum | glame |
| 00:14:11 | Fatbum | so how do you get jeode back? |
| 00:14:26 | ljp | heh looks like Winnepeg is Central time |
| 00:14:41 | Fatbum | is it? |
| 00:14:46 | ljp | I told you OZ has no java |
| 00:15:09 | Fatbum | well i knew that, but none ever? |
| 00:15:28 | ljp | someones working on kaffe |
| 00:15:55 | | Fatbum: excuse me? |
| 00:15:55 | Fatbum | ibot: jeode |
| 00:16:00 | Fatbum | you dumb shit ibot |
| 00:16:00 | [DrEvil] | I saw some ipk's of Blackdown's JVM |
| 00:16:00 | Fatbum | hehe |
| 00:16:45 | Fatbum | dmesg is your boot stuff right? |
| 00:16:57 | ljp | yes |
| 00:17:21 | Fatbum | so check backup battry is bad isnt it |
| 00:17:55 | NoRemorse | re |
| 00:17:56 | ljp | naa |
| 00:18:10 | Fatbum | you sure? |
| 00:18:16 | NoRemorse | ljp so zapmd ships with the standard sharp rom huh? |
| 00:18:45 | Fatbum | in opie apps stay open like recalibrate |
| 00:18:51 | Fatbum | whats the fix to that? |
| 00:18:52 | NoRemorse | fucked if I know why it has decided to fuckz0r my resume function |
| 00:19:07 | Fatbum | and shutdown, and today |
| 00:19:34 | nems | crap. |
| 00:19:37 | nems | Is there a perl port for the zaurus? |
| 00:19:44 | Fatbum | i think so nems |
| 00:20:04 | roge99 | is back (gone 08:03:44) |
| 00:20:04 | [DrEvil] | if eggdrop runs on the Z, I'm sure someone has made perl work |
| 00:20:17 | NoRemorse | I saw perl on sourceforge |
| 00:20:34 | nems | on oz.sourceforge? |
| 00:20:42 | Fatbum | should ospack be named .srom? |
| 00:20:53 | NoRemorse | z sourceforge |
| 00:22:45 | Fatbum | in opies installer of ipks |
| 00:22:49 | Fatbum | how do i find on the cf? |
| 00:22:55 | nems | Hmmm |
| 00:23:01 | nems | I dont see perl on http://sourceforge.net/projects/zaurus |
| 00:23:22 | NoRemorse | it ws under a utils pack |
| 00:23:34 | ljp | nems: its in one of the 'essential' packaghes |
| 00:24:13 | roge99 | nems: did you 9.2 workin |
| 00:24:15 | nems | Got it |
| 00:24:29 | nems | roge99 : I did... then found out that tghe root directory was 14 megs. |
| 00:24:32 | nems | that was 82% free |
| 00:24:34 | nems | so went back to sharp |
| 00:24:35 | NoRemorse | anyone tried to compile licq for z? |
| 00:24:43 | nems | had a pain switching to oipkg and switched BACK to pre10 ;p |
| 00:24:54 | nems | so I've changed my flash like 12 times in the past 2 days ;p |
| 00:25:16 | [DrEvil] | your flash ram will have an early burnout |
| 00:25:17 | nems | Anyone know how to get ftpd running on OZ10? |
| 00:25:23 | nems | [DrEvil] : Best buy warranty ;) |
| 00:26:23 | Fatbum | any1 made their own kernel imag? |
| 00:26:26 | Fatbum | for the zaurus |
| 00:26:36 | ljp | nems: the ftp runs automagically.. its part of qpe |
| 00:26:41 | NoRemorse | I cant even get licq to compile I aint gonna try for kernels! |
| 00:26:47 | Fatbum | hehe |
| 00:26:58 | NoRemorse | stupid configure script needs "head" and the zaurus head is fubar |
| 00:27:04 | nems | ljp: It wont let me login to it. |
| 00:27:07 | Fatbum | head? |
| 00:27:09 | nems | I assume its still 4242? |
| 00:27:15 | NoRemorse | as in opposite of tail |
| 00:27:22 | NoRemorse | head -1 filename |
| 00:27:27 | ljp | go into security settings and select your ip range? |
| 00:27:27 | NoRemorse | shows first line |
| 00:27:52 | nems | Already set. |
| 00:27:58 | NoRemorse | on zaurus, shows this shite |
| 00:27:59 | Fatbum | how come in pre10 apps like shutdown, recalibrate, and today stay open? |
| 00:28:00 | NoRemorse | head: invalid option -- 1 |
| 00:28:00 | NoRemorse | BusyBox v0.52 (2001.08.30-07:09+0000) multi-call binary |
| 00:28:00 | NoRemorse | Usage: head [OPTION] [FILE]... |
| 00:28:01 | nems | nevermind |
| 00:28:07 | nems | I was using my eth0 ip.. not my usbd0 |
| 00:28:31 | ljp | hehehhe |
| 00:29:15 | Fatbum | any1 know why those apps stay open? |
| 00:29:41 | ljp | press the cancel button in the taskbar.. its q bug |
| 00:30:04 | ljp | err titlebar |
| 00:30:08 | Fatbum | wheres cancel? |
| 00:30:18 | Fatbum | theres not one for recalibrate |
| 00:30:51 | Fatbum | ah shutdwon stays open too |
| 00:31:16 | jjbenham | I was concidering buying a zaurus. How fast is it? |
| 00:31:20 | NoRemorse | anyone use alphaclock? how do I shut it down?! |
| 00:31:23 | Fatbum | the fastest you can get |
| 00:31:35 | Fatbum | fun-</?> |
| 00:31:37 | jjbenham | so it is faster than palm? |
| 00:31:41 | Fatbum | yeah |
| 00:31:49 | NoRemorse | yeah how does z xompare to ipaq running linux? |
| 00:31:51 | Fatbum | the new sony clie nr70v with digi camera and shit is 66mhz |
| 00:31:59 | jjbenham | is the keyboard hard to use to enter data? |
| 00:32:04 | nems | I had a new sony |
| 00:32:06 | nems | It sucks. |
| 00:32:07 | nems | Bad. |
| 00:32:12 | NoRemorse | jjbenham: the keyboard is a gimmick :) |
| 00:32:18 | nems | I traded mine in for the zaurus already. |
| 00:32:28 | NoRemorse | you might use it a bit but I use the soft keyboard mostly |
| 00:32:30 | ljp | heh the keyboard is no gimmick |
| 00:32:39 | ljp | its easy to use and get used too |
| 00:32:45 | hunger | NoRemorse: It's about the same. But the Z has slots, you need jackets fro the ipaq to get that:-) |
| 00:32:52 | Fatbum | hell yeah |
| 00:32:55 | Fatbum | fuckin isucks |
| 00:32:57 | jjbenham | I mean because the keyboard is so small do you have to use an eraser head to hit the keys? |
| 00:33:00 | NoRemorse | hunger: exactly why I got the Z :) |
| 00:33:11 | NoRemorse | anyone use a wireless lan card with Z? |
| 00:33:15 | Fatbum | yeah |
| 00:33:28 | [DrEvil] | ok |
| 00:33:28 | Fatbum | we were getting on the next door neighbors lan the other day |
| 00:33:33 | Fatbum | we could ping yahoo |
| 00:33:35 | NoRemorse | I need a good sniffer prog that can "suggest" to me what ip's are being used on a network. |
| 00:33:37 | [DrEvil] | how do you unmount a dir in the Z? |
| 00:33:46 | NoRemorse | drevil : |
| 00:33:48 | NoRemorse | umount /dir |
| 00:33:53 | jjbenham | ljp: do you typically use your fingers thumbs or eraser head to punch the keys |
| 00:33:57 | NoRemorse | ie umount /mnt/card |
| 00:34:01 | [DrEvil] | it says umount isn't found |
| 00:34:10 | NoRemorse | wierd |
| 00:34:12 | NoRemorse | OZ? |
| 00:34:17 | [DrEvil] | no |
| 00:34:21 | NoRemorse | neither am I! |
| 00:34:30 | NoRemorse | # which umount |
| 00:34:36 | NoRemorse | -> /bin/umount |
| 00:34:48 | NoRemorse | got an open ftp? |
| 00:34:51 | ljp | does not respond to insults |
| 00:34:51 | NoRemorse | I'll send it |
| 00:34:59 | [DrEvil] | I found it |
| 00:35:00 | jjbenham | does zaurus have gcc? |
| 00:35:03 | [DrEvil] | I think it might be in busybox |
| 00:35:08 | NoRemorse | jjb: you can dl it from sourceforge |
| 00:35:19 | jjbenham | ok |
| 00:35:39 | NoRemorse | but I am having megaq trouble compiling shit |
| 00:35:43 | jjbenham | how customizable is the zaurus. Can I do things like change the gui. like put blackbox on it. ha ha |
| 00:35:44 | NoRemorse | mega even |
| 00:35:54 | NoRemorse | jjb: u can use X :) |
| 00:36:01 | Fatbum | yep yep |
| 00:36:19 | NoRemorse | except there is no xhost command so fucked if I know how to get access |
| 00:36:21 | Fatbum | NoRemorse can u use x with qtopia? |
| 00:36:22 | jjbenham | what programs do you use to sync it with linux? |
| 00:36:30 | NoRemorse | fatbum: nope gotta stop qpe |
| 00:36:34 | Fatbum | iintellisync |
| 00:36:39 | Fatbum | jjb ^^ |
| 00:36:43 | Fatbum | and qtopia desktop |
| 00:36:47 | Fatbum | it comes with two |
| 00:36:51 | ljp | rsync |
| 00:36:58 | jjbenham | intellisync works with a linux desktop? |
| 00:37:43 | [DrEvil] | ahahaha |
| 00:37:44 | jjbenham | how do you like qtopia? |
| 00:37:48 | [DrEvil] | my AP is going crazy |
| 00:37:54 | roge99 | jjbenham: what do you want to sync with |
| 00:38:05 | [DrEvil] | I mounted my mp3 directory |
| 00:38:09 | jjbenham | some way to back up my appointments and such |
| 00:38:09 | Fatbum | hehe |
| 00:38:14 | [DrEvil] | and now Media Player is trying to loas everything |
| 00:38:22 | roge99 | what do you use for a desktop pim |
| 00:38:27 | NoRemorse | anyone use kismet?! |
| 00:38:33 | Fatbum | i use poontang |
| 00:38:34 | [DrEvil] | I have used kismet |
| 00:38:54 | Fatbum | gay why does the kernel for this thing have joystick drivers? |
| 00:39:01 | NoRemorse | drevil: whats the command line format to sniff ip headers?! |
| 00:39:03 | Fatbum | im out of space because of stupid shit like that |
| 00:39:11 | jjbenham | roge99: pim? sorry don't know what that is. I have a sharp wizzard now. The display is wearing out. |
| 00:39:14 | NoRemorse | fatbum get a cf :) |
| 00:39:16 | NoRemorse | or sd |
| 00:39:19 | [DrEvil] | I just managed to get it running |
| 00:39:20 | Fatbum | im using it! |
| 00:39:21 | Fatbum | hehe |
| 00:39:25 | [DrEvil] | didn't explore too much |
| 00:39:35 | roge99 | jjbenham: calenar app / addresses etc. |
| 00:39:44 | NoRemorse | drevil: I get "cant conenct to port blah" or someshit |
| 00:40:12 | Fatbum | whats with the fitaly kb in oz? |
| 00:40:22 | jjbenham | roge99: is there any you would suggest. Do you like the qtopia desktop? Can I use it without a zaurus? |
| 00:40:39 | jjbenham | does qtopia desktop work with kde3? |
| 00:40:48 | ljp | fat: thats jumpx |
| 00:40:49 | roge99 | I use evolution .. i havent installed q-desktop |
| 00:41:02 | [DrEvil] | did you turn off GPS if you don't have one connected? |
| 00:41:21 | jjbenham | roge99: I have never used evolution. You like it? |
| 00:41:26 | roge99 | yea |
| 00:41:35 | Fatbum | ok |
| 00:41:42 | Fatbum | pre10 sux |
| 00:41:43 | jjbenham | roge99: does it have a nice UI? |
| 00:41:50 | Fatbum | actually, i cant say that cuz i guess i dont get it |
| 00:41:55 | Fatbum | it looks nice |
| 00:42:03 | Fatbum | but im having some troubles |
| 00:42:06 | roge99 | http://www.ximian.com/ |
| 00:42:09 | NoRemorse | drevil: nopw? how do I trun of gps?!! |
| 00:42:10 | Fatbum | errors should not be getting... |
| 00:42:21 | [DrEvil] | it's in the kismet.conf file |
| 00:42:29 | [DrEvil] | comment out the gps line |
| 00:42:38 | [DrEvil] | and check the logging line somewhere in there for gps |
| 00:42:49 | ljp | fat: its a pre beta.. it has bugs.. |
| 00:42:56 | Fatbum | ok |
| 00:42:58 | Fatbum | 9 is stable? |
| 00:43:05 | ljp | heh no |
| 00:43:09 | Fatbum | figured |
| 00:43:13 | ljp | oz is not stable.. its beta |
| 00:43:17 | Fatbum | ok |
| 00:43:20 | Fatbum | what is stable? |
| 00:43:29 | Fatbum | sharps rom? |
| 00:43:30 | ljp | sharp rom |
| 00:43:32 | NoRemorse | thanks man |
| 00:43:54 | ljp | oz works fine for me... what errors are you getting? |
| 00:44:01 | roge99 | hey ljp how goes it |
| 00:44:04 | ljp | ok |
| 00:44:22 | ljp | might have some programming work |
| 00:44:23 | roge99 | any word from kergoth today ? |
| 00:44:25 | Fatbum | ljp it just looks like a lot of memory is being taken up |
| 00:44:26 | jjbenham | whats the max ram I can add to the zaurus? |
| 00:44:32 | ljp | nope he's been out |
| 00:44:37 | roge99 | jjbenham: 0 |
| 00:44:40 | Fatbum | it shouldnt be taking up that much |
| 00:45:04 | jjbenham | I though you can use flash ram |
| 00:45:10 | ljp | fatbum: your flash rom area is now writable |
| 00:45:15 | [DrEvil] | yay |
| 00:45:29 | Fatbum | ok |
| 00:45:33 | [DrEvil] | mp3's via NFS on the Z |
| 00:45:44 | NoRemorse | DREVIL: cool I wanna do that |
| 00:45:45 | jjbenham | the software that runs on the zaurus...Is it free? |
| 00:45:50 | NoRemorse | what did you need to get it going? |
| 00:45:50 | Rince | Hmm... |
| 00:45:58 | [DrEvil] | it takes a LONG time to load the list |
| 00:46:04 | Rince | jjbenham: that depends... there is a lot of free software, but there is also commercial software |
| 00:46:06 | [DrEvil] | just NFS |
| 00:46:14 | [DrEvil] | mount your mp3 directory in Documents |
| 00:46:16 | [DrEvil] | and all is good |
| 00:46:23 | Fatbum | how can i check if my backup battery is done or not |
| 00:46:26 | NoRemorse | drevil: what is the GUI server for kismet? do I need some gui client or someshit? |
| 00:46:32 | NoRemorse | thanks man |
| 00:46:34 | jjbenham | Rince: is the os free? Can I forever download free upgrades? |
| 00:46:44 | Rince | hmmm, how easy is it to create a GUI for a program for opie/qpe? I would like to combine opie-sh multiple times... |
| 00:46:44 | Fatbum | jjb yeah |
| 00:46:49 | Rince | jjbenham: well - the OS is Linux so it's free. |
| 00:46:58 | [DrEvil] | there is no gui for kismet |
| 00:47:00 | [DrEvil] | well |
| 00:47:02 | [DrEvil] | per se |
| 00:47:07 | [DrEvil] | there is a server backend |
| 00:47:10 | Fatbum | how can i check if my backup battery is done or not |
| 00:47:14 | [DrEvil] | and then the "gui" is the frontend |
| 00:47:15 | Rince | and yes, Upgrades are free and you can right now choose between the ROM from Sharp itself and OpenZaurus which is a different implementatation |
| 00:47:17 | [DrEvil] | so you can see things |
| 00:47:19 | NoRemorse | ok |
| 00:47:20 | NoRemorse | thanks |
| 00:47:32 | NoRemorse | so kismet_server and kismet_client? :) |
| 00:47:57 | jjbenham | Rince: with OpenZaurus can I still use zaurus software like opera? |
| 00:48:03 | NoRemorse | # kismet_server |
| 00:48:03 | NoRemorse | FATAL: Pcap support was not compiled in. |
| 00:48:06 | ljp | fat: the backup battery charges up from the main battery.. |
| 00:48:08 | NoRemorse | great what the fuck is Pcap |
| 00:48:10 | Rince | jjbenham: since it's just the frontend which changes - yes |
| 00:48:27 | Fatbum | where you get opera tho? |
| 00:48:35 | NoRemorse | opera comes with z dood |
| 00:48:39 | NoRemorse | it's the browser |
| 00:48:40 | Rince | *nod* |
| 00:49:17 | Fatbum | i know im usin opie |
| 00:49:20 | [DrEvil] | I think I am going to try getting smb to work on the Z now |
| 00:49:25 | Fatbum | what should i use stead of opera |
| 00:49:27 | NoRemorse | fuck I have a heap of clueless wireless users around here not running wep and I NEED to get an ip on their network any clues?! |
| 00:49:50 | [DrEvil] | set your LAN settings to DHCP |
| 00:49:53 | NoRemorse | spose I could just use tcpdump |
| 00:50:15 | NoRemorse | oh well one thing at a time |
| 00:51:07 | NoRemorse | is there a textutils distrib for Z? |
| 00:51:50 | NoRemorse | this'll be a good test of ZGCC see if I can compile the gnu distrib |
| 00:52:08 | [DrEvil] | have you installed busybox? |
| 00:52:21 | NoRemorse | it has it allready doesnt it? |
| 00:52:35 | [DrEvil] | not by default |
| 00:52:50 | NoRemorse | the busybox implementation of "HEAD" "tail" are fucked man |
| 00:53:37 | NoRemorse | <NoRemorse> head: invalid option -- 1 |
| 00:53:37 | NoRemorse | <NoRemorse> BusyBox v0.52 (2001.08.30-07:09+0000) multi-call binary |
| 00:53:37 | NoRemorse | <NoRemorse> Usage: head [OPTION] [FILE]... |
| 00:53:56 | Fatbum | kbill == fuuun |
| 00:53:59 | NoRemorse | go figure |
| 00:54:21 | NoRemorse | is that related to the kill command fatbum? :) |
| 00:55:10 | [DrEvil] | yez |
| 00:55:16 | [DrEvil] | Valley girl on my Z |
| 00:55:18 | [DrEvil] | ok fine |
| 00:55:23 | [DrEvil] | fer sure fer sure |
| 00:55:24 | NoRemorse | hehe |
| 00:55:47 | NoRemorse | drevil tell me if you can get your z to stream mp3's or m3u from websites :) |
| 00:55:53 | NoRemorse | cos fucked if I can |
| 00:56:14 | NoRemorse | like mp3.com |
| 00:56:21 | ljp | opie mediaplayer will stream mp3's |
| 00:56:22 | [DrEvil] | well |
| 00:56:31 | [DrEvil] | the emeded shit isn't that great |
| 00:56:33 | NoRemorse | ljp we went thru this yesterday :) |
| 00:56:47 | ljp | well.. it works here |
| 00:56:53 | NoRemorse | mp3.com? |
| 00:57:02 | ljp | cept for those damned spaces |
| 00:57:02 | NoRemorse | try it |
| 00:57:09 | NoRemorse | mp3.com doesnt have them I think |
| 00:58:07 | ljp | I think mp3.com uses redirects.. havent been there for a time |
| 00:58:09 | [DrEvil] | port mpg123 to arm |
| 00:58:18 | [DrEvil] | then pipe a stream to it |
| 00:58:46 | NoRemorse | what shits me is tkcPlayer says it can, so I forked for it, and it doesnt even have an "enter url" facility! |
| 00:59:10 | [DrEvil] | beat up bigboss when he is on here |
| 00:59:27 | NoRemorse | is he tkc?! |
| 00:59:41 | [DrEvil] | yes |
| 00:59:50 | NoRemorse | awesome |
| 00:59:51 | [DrEvil] | BigBoobs |
| 00:59:52 | [DrEvil] | heh |
| 01:00:50 | [DrEvil] | now I need autofs for the Z |
| 01:00:57 | NoRemorse | well... configure script for textutils has hung my z, fucking great |
| 01:01:12 | [DrEvil] | why are you compiling that on your Z? |
| 01:01:12 | NoRemorse | "checking whether the C compiler (gcc ) works... " |
| 01:01:17 | [DrEvil] | cross compile |
| 01:01:26 | Fatbum | how many lvls in kbill? |
| 01:01:31 | NoRemorse | dont have an X system at hand to run xcompiler on |
| 01:01:45 | Fatbum | er opiq-kbill |
| 01:01:47 | Fatbum | opie |
| 01:01:48 | [DrEvil] | no more than 640 levels |
| 01:01:53 | Fatbum | oh god |
| 01:01:55 | Fatbum | really? |
| 01:01:57 | nems | big boobs? What? I missed something ;) |
| 01:02:11 | nems | mp3.com uses ton'o' redirect |
| 01:02:12 | nems | s |
| 01:02:17 | nems | I surf techno therer a lot. |
| 01:02:32 | Fatbum | nems you using sharps rom again? |
| 01:02:35 | NoRemorse | yeah but you get the streaming url in the end |
| 01:02:36 | nems | Nope. |
| 01:02:39 | nems | Using pre10 again. |
| 01:02:41 | Fatbum | what u usin? |
| 01:02:44 | Fatbum | workin good? |
| 01:02:47 | nems | Yup. at the end is a stream. |
| 01:02:50 | nems | Fatbum: So far so good. |
| 01:02:58 | nems | now that its working I like it better than sharps |
| 01:03:17 | Fatbum | when do you think it will work flawlessly? |
| 01:03:46 | nems | Its working fine for me now. |
| 01:03:53 | ljp | its 'pre' beta.. as in almost releasable |
| 01:04:08 | Fatbum | ah |
| 01:05:15 | nems | yay. |
| 01:05:17 | nems | I have perl and lynx |
| 01:05:20 | nems | and my own compiled make |
| 01:05:50 | NoRemorse | so what exactly does OZ give me that sharp doesnt? |
| 01:06:16 | NoRemorse | does it still use qpe? |
| 01:06:16 | nems | a decent packaging system for starters. |
| 01:06:19 | nems | nope. |
| 01:06:20 | nems | opie |
| 01:06:25 | NoRemorse | ok |
| 01:06:29 | NoRemorse | does it look the same? |
| 01:06:33 | nems | ljp: Whats the package to get rid of the keyboard and get the handwriting software? |
| 01:06:34 | NoRemorse | u ngot som4 screenshots? |
| 01:06:40 | nems | NoRemorse : I dont, but it looks a lot the same. |
| 01:06:58 | NoRemorse | k |
| 01:07:09 | NoRemorse | i'll stick to sharp, I dont care about it's lame ipkg |
| 01:07:12 | nems | It doesnt have jeode or opera though. |
| 01:07:13 | roge99 | opie is a fork of the qpe codebase |
| 01:07:19 | NoRemorse | wtf is jeode? |
| 01:07:21 | nems | java. |
| 01:07:25 | Fatbum | java runtime |
| 01:07:36 | NoRemorse | ah ok, whats the binary>? I wanna get ICQJava going |
| 01:07:45 | NoRemorse | it needs the java_home |
| 01:07:55 | Fatbum | hey NoRemorse ill make you a scrshot |
| 01:07:59 | Fatbum | hold on a sec |
| 01:08:01 | NoRemorse | thanks fatbum |
| 01:08:17 | Fatbum | hmmm whats that command |
| 01:08:29 | ljp | opie-handwriting |
| 01:09:06 | NoRemorse | for example, is opie-handwriting the same code as the qpe one? |
| 01:09:10 | nems | thanks |
| 01:10:03 | ljp | mostly |
| 01:10:08 | NoRemorse | k |
| 01:10:12 | nems | hmm |
| 01:10:16 | nems | i ran out of space installing konq. |
| 01:11:21 | ljp | install to /mnt/ram |
| 01:11:29 | nems | how do I do that with ipkg? |
| 01:11:41 | nems | I linked /mnt/ram/opt to /opt as well. |
| 01:12:34 | Fatbum | hey any1 have screenshotapplet? for opie |
| 01:12:49 | Fatbum | i needa know howta use it |
| 01:13:59 | ljp | click on the icon.. look in Documents |
| 01:14:09 | nems | ljp; I'm installing from the command line... |
| 01:14:34 | Fatbum | there is no icon |
| 01:15:18 | ljp | nems: ipkg install -d /mnt/ram I think |
| 01:15:22 | nems | Thanks |
| 01:15:45 | nems | # ipkg install -d /mnt/ram konqueror |
| 01:15:45 | nems | ERROR: Unknown dest name: `/mnt/ram' |
| 01:15:47 | ljp | fat: restart opie |
| 01:15:59 | Fatbum | k |
| 01:16:09 | Fatbum | nope |
| 01:16:38 | ljp | nems: look at /etc/ipkg.conf for ipkg dest names |
| 01:16:51 | ljp | nems: ipkg install -d mtdram I think |
| 01:17:54 | NoRemorse | is there a cross compiler for Z that doesnt need X? ie is command line only? |
| 01:18:05 | Rince | NoRemorse: for i386linux? sure. |
| 01:18:12 | Rince | from i386Linux to arm_on_Z |
| 01:18:29 | Fatbum | hey i found it |
| 01:18:30 | ljp | uhhh gcc doesnt need x |
| 01:18:33 | Rince | *nod* |
| 01:18:42 | Rince | gcc just need a kernel and a libc :-) |
| 01:18:47 | Rince | (and headers) |
| 01:18:50 | NoRemorse | ljp: no I wanna compile z apps on another box cos I keep running out of mem on z |
| 01:19:11 | Fatbum | noremorse you want that scrshot? |
| 01:19:24 | ljp | yaaa.. still doesnt need x |
| 01:19:44 | NoRemorse | Fat no thanks |
| 01:19:47 | NoRemorse | tis ok |
| 01:19:56 | Fatbum | it looooks cool |
| 01:19:59 | NoRemorse | ljp: so how do I compile for Z on another box? |
| 01:20:03 | NoRemorse | ok! |
| 01:20:39 | ljp | get the cross compiler from sharps site |
| 01:20:45 | NoRemorse | ok thanks |
| 01:21:55 | NoRemorse | ljp whats it called? cant find it |
| 01:22:36 | ljp | read the tools and documents page |
| 01:22:48 | NoRemorse | ta |
| 01:23:01 | NoRemorse | on myzaurus.com? |
| 01:23:48 | Rince | NoRemorse: with RedHat, there are rpms for it |
| 01:23:56 | Fatbum | mmmm food |
| 01:23:58 | Rince | for other Linuxes, you have to compile it for yourself, but this works ;-) |
| 01:24:27 | ljp | noremorse: from the title of this channel |
| 01:24:32 | NoRemorse | ah thanks |
| 01:25:04 | NoRemorse | spose I need a login? |
| 01:26:06 | ljp | http://more.sbc.co.jp/slj/index.asp |
| 01:27:25 | NoRemorse | thanks! |
| 01:33:27 | Fatbum | how would i go back to sharp rom from oz? |
| 01:33:34 | Fatbum | just so i know.... |
| 01:33:34 | Fatbum | ? |
| 01:34:36 | ljp | flash it |
| 01:34:41 | Fatbum | how? |
| 01:34:48 | Fatbum | just put that one file on there? |
| 01:34:57 | Fatbum | the uh...ospack? |
| 01:34:59 | Fatbum | on a cf? |
| 01:35:02 | Fatbum | thats it |
| 01:35:03 | Fatbum | ? |
| 01:35:57 | ljp | follow the directions for flashing that rom |
| 01:36:45 | Fatbum | you can wear out the flash? |
| 01:37:20 | NoRemorse | ljp: ok so I install that crosscompiler to /opt ya |
| 01:41:24 | NoRemorse | as a total change in subject, anyone know if I need nokia data suite in XP or does it have bulit in drivers? |
| 01:41:50 | ljp | on your desktop yes |
| 01:42:56 | NoRemorse | so I need it? cos I am fucked if I can find an XP version |
| 01:43:43 | ljp | that was to your first q.. I know nothing of nokia |
| 01:43:53 | NoRemorse | ahaha ok |
| 01:49:37 | nems | Bleh. |
| 01:49:41 | nems | Where the heck is kergoth. |
| 01:49:55 | nems | ljp: Any idea if I symlink /usr to /mnt/ram/usr if it'll kill stuff? |
| 01:50:30 | ljp | shouldnt |
| 01:53:58 | nems | Ok. |
| 01:54:02 | nems | here goes... and then the reboot. |
| 01:54:05 | nems | crosses his fingers. |
| 01:56:52 | ljp | hehe |
| 02:01:18 | nems | Hrm |
| 02:01:21 | nems | I think I broke it while moving opt |
| 02:01:28 | Fatbum | ow |
| 02:01:31 | Fatbum | that sux |
| 02:01:33 | nems | Nah. |
| 02:01:35 | nems | I'm used to it :) |
| 02:01:40 | Fatbum | yeah heh |
| 02:01:45 | nems | I'm screwing aruond with things man should leave alone ;) |
| 02:01:55 | Fatbum | hehe |
| 02:02:01 | Fatbum | how many times you flash today? |
| 02:02:14 | nems | Just twice. |
| 02:02:44 | Fatbum | i found doom for the z |
| 02:02:58 | nems | lol |
| 02:04:10 | nems | Rebooting now. |
| 02:04:12 | nems | crosses fingers. |
| 02:04:23 | ljp | quake and doon dont run too well on the z |
| 02:04:42 | Fatbum | yea |
| 02:04:53 | Fatbum | i installed quake on the demo at best buy while i was waiting to get mine :))))) |
| 02:04:57 | Fatbum | smiles a lot |
| 02:04:58 | nems | lol |
| 02:05:01 | Fatbum | i put term on there too |
| 02:05:07 | Fatbum | and some mp3s |
| 02:05:07 | Fatbum | hehe |
| 02:05:56 | nems | Hmm. I think I broke it. |
| 02:06:03 | Fatbum | heh |
| 02:06:09 | nems | It hangs at the open zaurus screen., |
| 02:06:12 | nems | Bleh. |
| 02:06:15 | nems | flash time. |
| 02:09:57 | nems | Hmm |
| 02:09:59 | nems | Not good. |
| 02:10:04 | nems | There it goes.. nevermind ;) |
| 02:10:05 | Fatbum | oh man |
| 02:10:16 | Fatbum | scared me man |
| 02:10:27 | nems | lol. Warranty man. |
| 02:10:30 | nems | its all about the warranty. |
| 02:10:35 | Fatbum | oh yeah |
| 02:10:40 | Fatbum | you want to break it |
| 02:10:46 | nems | Think I'd be screwing around this crap if I was worried about breaking it? :) |
| 02:10:48 | Fatbum | used the force....hes breakin it trust me |
| 02:10:49 | nems | No... I dont want to break it |
| 02:10:54 | nems | I want it to get it exactly the awy I want it. |
| 02:19:46 | nems | *crosses fingers* |
| 02:19:47 | nems | reboot time again. |
| 02:23:51 | nems | Ok. |
| 02:23:55 | nems | symlinking /usr breaks it. |
| 02:24:23 | nems | but its fixed :) |
| 02:34:10 | nems | what resolution is a zaurus? |
| 02:38:10 | ljp | 320x240 16bit |
| 02:40:02 | nems | thats 65k colors? |
| 02:42:11 | nems | What runmode does the Z start in by default? |
| 02:46:15 | [DrEvil] | 5 |
| 02:46:45 | nems | Thanks. |
| 02:46:54 | [DrEvil] | you should see that when you boot |
| 02:47:06 | nems | I do.. I just keep forgetting.. sorry.. :p |
| 02:52:57 | Fatbum | hola |
| 02:52:59 | Fatbum | im back |
| 02:53:04 | Fatbum | was installing a car stereo |
| 02:53:30 | nems | Damn. |
| 02:53:34 | nems | Practice sucked. |
| 02:53:55 | Fatbum | practice? |
| 02:54:06 | nems | The Practice |
| 02:54:11 | nems | one of the few shows I watch religiously ;) |
| 02:54:14 | Fatbum | ah |
| 02:54:15 | Fatbum | ok |
| 02:55:18 | nems | ok |
| 02:55:21 | nems | I got my system the way I want it. |
| 02:55:27 | Fatbum | hows that? |
| 02:55:31 | nems | Install Pre10, then symlink /usr/local/ and symlink /opt |
| 02:55:34 | nems | That gives you some space. :) |
| 02:55:38 | nems | And works greaet. |
| 02:55:39 | nems | great. |
| 02:55:44 | Fatbum | symlink to what? |
| 02:55:50 | nems | oh |
| 02:55:51 | Fatbum | my linux has deteriorated |
| 02:55:59 | nems | /mnt/ram/usr/local/ and /mnt/ram/opt |
| 02:56:03 | Fatbum | i havent used it in a long time |
| 02:56:25 | nems | I'm a programmer.. I use it daily ;) |
| 02:56:34 | Fatbum | yeah i want a laptop with linux |
| 02:56:39 | Fatbum | what distro you use? |
| 02:56:44 | nems | thats what I use.. a dell laptop with linux |
| 02:56:45 | nems | Debian |
| 02:56:47 | nems | I hate redhat :) |
| 02:56:54 | Fatbum | yeah, me too |
| 02:57:02 | Fatbum | debian is cool |
| 02:57:06 | Fatbum | apt-get my mom |
| 02:57:07 | Fatbum | hehe |
| 02:57:17 | nems | Hmm.. If my sound doesnt work in the opie mediaplayer, what am I missin'? |
| 02:57:24 | Fatbum | headphones |
| 02:57:29 | nems | I've got headphones on :) |
| 02:57:38 | Fatbum | look at that nerd...with the headphones |
| 02:57:39 | Fatbum | hehe |
| 02:57:47 | Fatbum | do you have ears? |
| 02:57:47 | nems | I wear headphones at work all day :) |
| 02:57:54 | nems | You're not helpful ;p |
| 02:58:01 | Fatbum | hehe |
| 02:58:14 | Fatbum | volume |
| 02:58:29 | nems | how do I change vol? |
| 02:58:43 | Fatbum | oh inpre10 i dont know |
| 02:59:05 | Fatbum | http://goga-n.narod.ru/qplot/qplot_1.5.0_arm.zip someone see if they can get this and dcc to me |
| 02:59:10 | Fatbum | it keeps stalling |
| 02:59:12 | Fatbum | at 99% |
| 02:59:16 | nems | Nope.. still not workign |
| 03:05:02 | nems | Hey ljp, you here? |
| 03:05:17 | Fatbum | yea |
| 03:05:23 | nems | You're not ljp ;p |
| 03:05:32 | nems | I need zaurus questions :) |
| 03:05:43 | ljp | yes I'm here |
| 03:06:04 | nems | What sort of format do you need to have a background in? |
| 03:06:11 | nems | I cant get the appearance app to see my background |
| 03:06:35 | ljp | png's the best |
| 03:07:06 | ljp | it should handle jpg's, but that version may not have been updated from cvs |
| 03:07:11 | nems | ok. |
| 03:07:16 | nems | It isnt seeing mine.. |
| 03:07:24 | nems | Do they need to be in a specific directory? |
| 03:07:35 | Fatbum | you should be able to look wherever you want |
| 03:07:41 | Fatbum | i was able to browsw |
| 03:07:43 | nems | I thought so too. |
| 03:07:45 | Fatbum | browse for it |
| 03:07:50 | nems | I was able to browse but it didnt see the jpg. |
| 03:08:04 | ljp | I think to use jpegs, you'll need to install libjpeg |
| 03:08:51 | nems | Package libjpeg62 (6b) installed in root is up to date |
| 03:09:52 | ljp | ya.. I think its just the fileselector appearance uses doesn't include the jpg extension is all |
| 03:09:59 | nems | Hmm. |
| 03:10:20 | ljp | you can manually install that by editing Settings/qpe.config |
| 03:11:18 | nems | lets see if jpgs work :) |
| 03:11:24 | nems | Command line is so much easier. |
| 03:11:30 | nems | Hmm |
| 03:11:31 | nems | it worked. |
| 03:11:34 | nems | It was just horridly evil looking ;) |
| 03:11:40 | nems | black backgrounds dont work with black letters. ;) |
| 03:11:49 | Fatbum | hehe |
| 03:12:03 | nems | Anyways.. I'm off guys :) |
| 03:12:05 | nems | take care :) |
| 03:14:57 | ljp | later |
| 03:15:07 | Fatbum | latez |
| 03:15:38 | Fatbum | ljp school me |
| 03:16:15 | | somebody said ljp was lineo's nemesys or mailto:llornkcor@handhelds.org |
| 03:16:15 | Fatbum | ibot: ljp |
| 03:17:50 | | wish i knew, nems |
| 03:17:50 | nems | ibot, nems? |
| 03:18:02 | | OK, nems. |
| 03:18:02 | nems | ibot, nems is the flash freakin' master. |
| 03:18:16 | | i think nems is the flash freakin' master. |
| 03:18:16 | nems | ibot, nems? |
| 03:18:22 | nems | flexes. |
| 03:18:29 | | Fatbum: what? |
| 03:18:29 | Fatbum | ibot, Fatbum owns a pda |
| 03:18:35 | | fatbum: wish i knew |
| 03:18:35 | Fatbum | ibot, Fatbum? |
| 03:18:47 | | Fatbum: sorry... |
| 03:18:47 | Fatbum | ibot, Fatbum owns a pda. |
| 03:18:50 | | nems: i haven't a clue |
| 03:18:50 | nems | ibot, fatbum is that fat bum who owns a pda. |
| 03:18:57 | | nems: no idea |
| 03:18:57 | nems | ibot, fatbum is the fat bum who owns a pda. |
| 03:18:58 | | OK, Fatbum. |
| 03:18:58 | Fatbum | ibot, Fatbum is cool. |
| 03:19:02 | | somebody said Fatbum was cool. |
| 03:19:02 | Fatbum | ibot, Fatbum? |
| 03:19:05 | | nems: bugger all, i dunno |
| 03:19:05 | nems | ibot, fatbum is a bum who owns a pda. |
| 03:19:05 | Fatbum | hehe |
| 03:19:08 | nems | kicks ibot. |
| 03:19:18 | nems | (waiting for heroes of might and magic to install ;) |
| 03:20:50 | Fatbum | i love my z |
| 03:25:28 | ljp | well then why dont you marry it? |
| 03:27:39 | MSpin | if only that were legal |
| 03:28:05 | Fatbum | hehe |
| 03:33:07 | Fatbum | xfree86 is cool |
| 03:33:13 | Fatbum | what can i do with it tho? |
| 03:34:30 | Fatbum | what do i do with an .ipk.tar? |
| 03:35:35 | ljp | well, ya can't juggle it |
| 03:36:20 | Fatbum | tar -??? |
| 03:36:31 | Fatbum | then install it with ipkg, or something good |
| 03:36:39 | Fatbum | what options for tar? |
| 03:37:36 | ljp | I've never heard of an ipkg.tar |
| 03:37:44 | ljp | err ipk.tar |
| 03:38:05 | Fatbum | well...ive got em |
| 03:38:08 | Fatbum | nethack |
| 03:38:09 | Fatbum | the game |
| 03:40:58 | ljp | hmm cause an ipk nis just a renamed tar.gz doesnt make sense to tar it up |
| 03:41:32 | nems | 11Wait... |
| 03:41:35 | nems | If you have an ipk tar |
| 03:41:38 | nems | its actually just an ipk |
| 03:41:45 | nems | I read that about nethack |
| 03:41:47 | nems | rename it to .ipk |
| 03:41:49 | nems | and it will install. |
| 03:41:51 | nems | I think. :) |
| 03:42:01 | nems | goes back to lurker mode. |
| 03:42:20 | Fatbum | k |
| 03:42:23 | Fatbum | says ok |
| 03:42:29 | nems | oh.. oine more question. |
| 03:42:35 | nems | Why the heck wont qt desktop connect ot my Z? |
| 03:42:41 | nems | nevermind |
| 03:42:44 | nems | it started working agaion ;) |
| 03:44:20 | Fatbum | yeah mine too |
| 03:44:21 | Fatbum | ;0 |
| 04:17:28 | Fatbum | hey what would be the benefits of the 32-32 kernel or the 40-24 kernel? |
| 04:21:21 | Fatbum | hello hello!? |
| 04:21:27 | | i guess ram is Random Access Memory (just like a desktop), not to be confused with Flash. RAM goes away on reset (or any time it loses power), flash stays forever. or http://www.microsoft.com/mobile/pocketpc/columns/romvram.asp |
| 04:21:27 | Fatbum | ibot: ram |
| 04:21:35 | | Fatbum: sorry... |
| 04:21:35 | Fatbum | ibot: ramdisk |
| 04:23:04 | nems | bleh. |
| 04:23:06 | nems | anyone know a good site to get Z backgrounds? :) Mine dont work well... lol |
| 04:23:12 | nems | And how do I keep from geting booted off this darned server? |
| 04:23:16 | Fatbum | yo nems welcome back |
| 04:23:20 | Fatbum | what up fool |
| 04:23:41 | Fatbum | are you using the 40-24 kernel? |
| 04:23:44 | nems | Not much. playing D2. |
| 04:23:46 | nems | 32/32 |
| 04:23:57 | Fatbum | why? |
| 04:24:05 | Fatbum | i mean....i dont know...wondering |
| 04:24:10 | Fatbum | why you chose that |
| 04:24:20 | Fatbum | i was thinking 40-24 for more storage space right? |
| 04:24:22 | nems | 1And listening to the Starwars soundtrack :) |
| 04:24:28 | nems | 40 is the ram I think. |
| 04:24:36 | nems | not the storage. |
| 04:24:44 | | ramdisk is a block device created out of a piece of ram. You can create a filesystem on it and then mount it. |
| 04:24:44 | MSpin | ibot ramdisk |
| 04:24:57 | nems | X = Amount of Actual RAM available |
| 04:24:58 | nems | Y = Amount of RAM used for your ramdisk |
| 04:27:18 | Fatbum | so..... |
| 04:27:25 | Fatbum | nems |
| 04:27:30 | Fatbum | my device went to sleep or i turned it off... |
| 04:27:33 | Fatbum | now it wont turn on] |
| 04:27:36 | Fatbum | what i do? |
| 04:27:38 | nems | 1Flip the switch on the back |
| 04:27:41 | nems | and then hit power |
| 04:27:43 | nems | make sure its pluggedi n. |
| 04:27:49 | Fatbum | but....bleh |
| 04:27:53 | Fatbum | thats bad for it |
| 04:27:57 | nems | Shoulda charged for 24 hours :) |
| 04:28:08 | Fatbum | really? |
| 04:28:47 | nems | 1I dunno. |
| 04:28:50 | nems | try flipping the switch |
| 04:28:52 | nems | dont hit full reset |
| 04:28:57 | nems | just flip the normal/replace battery switch |
| 04:29:08 | Fatbum | i know....i did |
| 04:29:12 | Fatbum | but why does it do that? |
| 04:29:21 | Fatbum | hola show |
| 04:29:27 | | Fatbum: excuse me? |
| 04:29:27 | Fatbum | ibot welcome shoe |
| 04:29:32 | | hello |
| 04:29:32 | Fatbum | ibot say hi |
| 04:29:38 | | Fatbum: what? |
| 04:29:38 | Fatbum | ibot say hi to shoe |
| 04:29:42 | Fatbum | fuck you ibot |
| 04:29:44 | Fatbum | die! |
| 04:29:46 | Fatbum | hehe |
| 04:30:01 | nems | no idea Fatbum |
| 04:30:13 | | nems: sorry... |
| 04:30:13 | nems | ibot, welcome shoe |
| 04:30:18 | | nems: i'm not following you... |
| 04:30:18 | nems | ibot, welcome me |
| 04:30:21 | | nems: huh? |
| 04:30:21 | nems | ibot, welcome |
| 04:30:23 | nems | shrugs. |
| 04:31:14 | Fatbum | flashing the 40-24 rom |
| 04:31:40 | Fatbum | are you sure about that ramdisk thing? i dont dbout you, but why isnt there a 24-40 ? |
| 04:31:43 | nems | 1Wait |
| 04:31:49 | Fatbum | 32-32 didnt seem to have enuf space |
| 04:31:55 | nems | because less than 32 megs of ram doenst run well, I've been told |
| 04:31:57 | nems | I asked the same thing. |
| 04:31:59 | nems | I'm sure. |
| 04:32:03 | Fatbum | ok |
| 04:32:11 | Fatbum | well this is a good waste of 3 minutes then] |
| 04:32:46 | Fatbum | you find those bgs? |
| 04:33:14 | nems | nope |
| 04:33:23 | Fatbum | what is the size again? |
| 04:33:31 | Fatbum | 268x320? |
| 04:34:53 | ljp | size of what? |
| 04:35:01 | ljp | the screen is 320 x 240 |
| 04:35:01 | Fatbum | the bgs |
| 04:35:06 | Fatbum | k |
| 04:35:13 | ljp | err 240 x320 |
| 04:35:30 | ljp | I dunno one of those |
| 04:35:35 | Fatbum | hehe |
| 04:35:39 | Fatbum | the 2nd one |
| 04:37:07 | Fatbum | in opie er...pre10 whateva can you change the icon text to white? |
| 04:37:48 | ljp | ummmI dunno it would be in appearance if you can. |
| 04:38:04 | nems | you might be able to by changing the default appearance setting, but I dont think so. |
| 04:38:06 | nems | it may be in qpe.conf |
| 04:38:52 | Fatbum | well im seeing a scrshot right now of white text so my 1st guess is yes |
| 04:38:54 | nems | 1We need a master feed site and a OZ background site. ;) |
| 04:39:50 | Fatbum | yea |
| 04:39:52 | | opie look is http://draknor.net/ipaq/opie-look.php |
| 04:39:52 | ljp | ibot: opie look |
| 04:39:58 | Fatbum | im making one now |
| 04:40:11 | Fatbum | good call my friend |
| 04:41:13 | nems | 1What is opie-look? |
| 04:41:46 | Fatbum | are you asking me? |
| 04:41:54 | nems | 1Anyone |
| 04:42:07 | nems | Sorry.. i keep having 1's in front of my typing... |
| 04:42:20 | nems | cause I have an automatic monitor switch and you hit scroll lock twice then hit 1 or 2 to change to a different box. |
| 04:42:34 | Fatbum | i have one of those too |
| 04:42:40 | Fatbum | go to the site |
| 04:42:46 | Fatbum | its schemes and bgs |
| 04:42:51 | Fatbum | about 3-5 of each |
| 04:44:11 | nems | neato |
| 04:44:26 | Fatbum | qhere is qpe.conf? |
| 04:44:43 | nems | Do a find / -name qpe.conf |
| 04:44:59 | ljp | Settings/ |
| 04:45:24 | ljp | heh /root/Settings |
| 04:46:02 | Fatbum | yea |
| 04:46:42 | nems | thanks, couldnt remember. |
| 04:47:42 | Fatbum | i wanna know how every1 gets like pics in the tabe, or at least colors |
| 04:47:57 | nems | nice backgrounds, ljp |
| 04:48:21 | | Fatbum: huh? |
| 04:48:21 | Fatbum | ibot backgrounds |
| 04:48:25 | | Fatbum: excuse me? |
| 04:48:25 | Fatbum | ibot, backgrounds |
| 04:48:28 | | Fatbum: what? |
| 04:48:28 | Fatbum | ibot: backgrounds |
| 04:48:36 | | zaurus is at http://developer.sharpsec.com/index.cfm |
| 04:48:36 | Fatbum | ibot: zaurus |
| 04:50:01 | ljp | Harlekin did the current opie background |
| 04:50:23 | Fatbum | i made some cool bgs just now |
| 04:50:28 | Fatbum | but they're bmps |
| 04:50:34 | Fatbum | can you do that? |
| 04:52:27 | ljp | nope |
| 04:52:45 | ljp | you can convert them though ;) |
| 04:53:43 | Fatbum | how do i get white icon text? |
| 04:54:19 | Fatbum | ok i have a png file in that dir too, and it doesnt see it |
| 04:54:20 | nems | ljp : i meant hte backgrounds you have posted on opie look |
| 04:55:32 | ljp | ehhehe.. ya.. Harlekin did the cool pingizauru in the blue bubble |
| 04:55:55 | ljp | cept I took off the 'Opie' lettering |
| 04:56:06 | ljp | the sun one came from APOD |
| 04:56:20 | nems | APOD? |
| 04:57:30 | Fatbum | ljp how do i get opie to see my ppng files? |
| 04:57:32 | Fatbum | png sorry |
| 04:58:02 | ljp | appearance |
| 04:58:09 | Fatbum | no it doesnt see them |
| 04:58:17 | Fatbum | in the dir i put them in it says its empty |
| 04:58:35 | ljp | edit qpe.config |
| 04:58:42 | | ljp: what? |
| 04:58:42 | ljp | ibot: APOD |
| 04:59:27 | Fatbum | ljp in /root? |
| 04:59:35 | | OK, ljp. |
| 04:59:35 | ljp | ibot: APOD is the Astronomy Picture of the Day at http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.html |
| 04:59:53 | ljp | heh /root/Settings |
| 05:00:36 | Fatbum | with package manager in pre10 how do i add more than one package at a time |
| 05:00:48 | ljp | oh man.. I'm going to bed.. n8 |
| 05:01:20 | ljp | just select them.. and update when you've gotten them all selected |
| 05:01:23 | nems | 1night ljp ;) |
| 05:01:23 | ljp | later |
| 05:02:52 | nems | oh damn. |
| 05:02:55 | | nems: huh? |
| 05:02:55 | nems | ibot, message |
| 05:02:57 | nems | Hmm |
| 05:03:00 | nems | i cant remember how to leave a message. |
| 05:06:12 | W|GGL|T | SD and/or CF cards that are formatted ext2 are fsck'd when inserted? |
| 05:06:57 | Fatbum | i dont know |
| 05:10:28 | nems | I'm not sure either. |
| 05:10:37 | nems | They haveto be vfat to flash from, so mine's vfat ;) |
| 05:11:09 | Fatbum | hey nems i wanna send you scrshot man this is cool |
| 05:11:53 | Fatbum | can i? |
| 05:11:57 | Fatbum | nems nems |
| 05:12:51 | Fatbum | nimda nems |
| 05:12:54 | Fatbum | answer |
| 05:13:47 | Fatbum | k |
| 05:21:03 | Fatbum | nems |
| 05:30:25 | Com[Plex | *sigh* |
| 05:30:41 | Fatbum^asleep | yo? |
| 05:30:45 | Fatbum^asleep | you wanna cool scrshot? |
| 05:31:02 | Com[Plex | this guy joins #zaurus on another server, where I loft, has some queer dcc bragger spam the channel every 15 seconds. |
| 05:31:07 | Fatbum^asleep | its b4 i figured out how to get the txt white (let alone a visible color) |
| 05:31:19 | Fatbum^asleep | that sucks |
| 05:31:22 | Fatbum^asleep | i hate ppl |
| 05:31:22 | Fatbum^asleep | dont you |
| 05:31:25 | Com[Plex | screen shiot of what? |
| 05:31:28 | Fatbum^asleep | my z |
| 05:31:32 | Com[Plex | ahh okay |
| 05:31:54 | Com[Plex | wanna see mine? http://me.256k.net/casemod/ZAURUS-MODS/zaurus_fbvnc_panel.jpg |
| 05:31:58 | Com[Plex | [12PIMP] http://me.256k.net/casemod/ZAURUS-MODS/ |
| 05:32:17 | Fatbum^asleep | hehe |
| 05:32:59 | Fatbum^asleep | is cool |
| 05:33:47 | Com[Plex | uh.. where are all your apps? |
| 05:33:51 | Com[Plex | you got like nothing on there. |
| 05:33:52 | Com[Plex | haha |
| 05:34:10 | Fatbum^asleep | i just installed the rom fresh |
| 05:34:13 | Com[Plex | I have so many apps installed on my Z there isnt enough room on the menus to display em all |
| 05:34:15 | Fatbum^asleep | i was just making some bgs |
| 05:34:17 | Com[Plex | ah |
| 05:34:18 | Com[Plex | coo |
| 05:34:21 | Fatbum^asleep | hehe |
| 05:34:25 | Fatbum^asleep | yeah i have some...just |
| 05:34:32 | Com[Plex | too bad the stock 1.13 rom doesnt support skin |
| 05:34:34 | Fatbum^asleep | you know...waste of time to install em, im playing with roms |
| 05:34:40 | Com[Plex | Id love to put up a nice background. |
| 05:34:44 | Fatbum^asleep | you have 5000d or 5500? |
| 05:34:50 | Com[Plex | 5000d |
| 05:35:00 | Fatbum^asleep | ah |
| 05:35:14 | Com[Plex | got almost 30 megs of apps all installed to the SD card |
| 05:35:18 | Com[Plex | even hancom office |
| 05:35:45 | Fatbum^asleep | cool |
| 05:35:49 | Com[Plex | I had to re build about 80% of all the ipkgs out there to make them all isntall properly |
| 05:35:58 | Com[Plex | seems like non of the programmers know how to build ipkgs right. |
| 05:36:03 | Com[Plex | I should write a new tutorial |
| 05:36:21 | Com[Plex | very cool background there |
| 05:36:44 | Fatbum^asleep | how do you change the splash scr logo? |
| 05:36:48 | Fatbum^asleep | cuz that is badass |
| 05:37:16 | Com[Plex | peice of cake :> just overright the symlink with a new one to your new boot screen |
| 05:37:30 | Fatbum^asleep | where is the original |
| 05:37:39 | Com[Plex | name it Startup_screen.bmp |
| 05:37:41 | Com[Plex | um... |
| 05:37:46 | Com[Plex | let me check |
| 05:38:23 | Com[Plex | /home/QtPalmtop/pics |
| 05:38:32 | W|GGL|T | is away: I'm busy smoking a blunt or sleeping or something |
| 05:39:05 | Com[Plex | also in /usr/QtPalmtop.rom/pics/Startup_screen.bmp |
| 05:39:39 | Com[Plex | obviously, if you look at the file in that folder, yuo will see that it is rotated sideways., and it turns it when its displayed. |
| 05:39:54 | Fatbum^asleep | does it? |
| 05:40:05 | Com[Plex | someones idea of making things complicated.. or what reason, I dont know |
| 05:40:08 | Com[Plex | yes it does |
| 05:40:19 | Com[Plex | for instance, here is mine |
| 05:40:22 | Com[Plex | http://me.256k.net/casemod/ZAURUS-MODS/Startup_screen.bmp |
| 05:40:41 | Fatbum^asleep | i saw |
| 05:40:42 | Com[Plex | its sideways. I also made this one, http://me.256k.net/casemod/ZAURUS-MODS/locknload.bmp |
| 05:40:48 | Fatbum^asleep | i looked at your casemods too |
| 05:40:49 | Fatbum^asleep | nice work |
| 05:40:53 | Com[Plex | all it needs is to be renamed.. |
| 05:40:56 | Fatbum^asleep | i saw it |
| 05:40:56 | Com[Plex | thanx :> |
| 05:41:02 | Fatbum^asleep | cs rules |
| 05:41:08 | Com[Plex | heheh |
| 05:41:15 | Fatbum^asleep | i played a tourney here at txlan and our team got 3rd |
| 05:41:17 | Com[Plex | im wearing the shirt that logo came from :> |
| 05:41:21 | Com[Plex | wow, awesoem :> |
| 05:41:24 | Fatbum^asleep | there were some awesome ass ppl there |
| 05:41:38 | Com[Plex | Im going to UVAlan in august. its not a CS tourney, buit it is a killer lan party. |
| 05:41:39 | Fatbum^asleep | and we were a makeshift..didnt have a team prior to that team |
| 05:41:39 | Fatbum^asleep | hehe |
| 05:41:49 | Com[Plex | yeah, best touneys are played like that |
| 05:42:38 | Com[Plex | im building a few new cases to bring with me to the party this year, gonna sell a couple and give one away for a door price. |
| 05:42:40 | Com[Plex | z |
| 05:42:54 | Fatbum^asleep | cool |
| 05:45:43 | Fatbum^asleep | your in mensa? |
| 05:45:52 | Com[Plex | heh. no. |
| 05:45:55 | Com[Plex | why? |
| 05:46:08 | Fatbum^asleep | mensa_test.doc or soemthing i saw |
| 05:46:10 | Com[Plex | ahh yes |
| 05:46:31 | Com[Plex | its not nearly a mensa test, but it was passed around as if it werre |
| 05:46:37 | Com[Plex | mensa tests are much harder. hehe |
| 05:46:51 | Com[Plex | mensa is something that takes a lot of constant effort,. your not just in for life |
| 05:47:07 | Com[Plex | you gotta do all kinds of things, jumps through hoops. twice a year to stay in |
| 05:47:21 | Fatbum^asleep | yep |
| 05:47:40 | Com[Plex | im pretty bright, but I dont have quite the stamina it would take to both get in, and stay there. |
| 05:48:02 | Com[Plex | im good with tests, its everything else I cant or wont do |
| 05:48:28 | Com[Plex | however, that mensa_test.doc or whatever is pretty fun. good challenge |
| 05:48:54 | Com[Plex | where was that file located anyway? |
| 05:49:19 | Fatbum^asleep | corel photo something? |
| 05:50:00 | Fatbum^asleep | hey where is that startup screen |
| 05:50:03 | Fatbum^asleep | i dont find it |
| 05:51:06 | Com[Plex | huh? http://me.256k.net/casemod/ZAURUS-MODS/ |
| 05:51:12 | Com[Plex | what do you mean corel photo something? |
| 05:51:16 | Fatbum^asleep | i found it |
| 05:51:34 | Fatbum^asleep | i dont know imnot there anymore |
| 05:51:40 | Com[Plex | Oh, you mean THSI ONE, http://me.256k.net/casemod/desktop.jpg |
| 05:51:51 | Com[Plex | that was me maxing out my 21 inch monitor. hehe |
| 05:51:58 | Fatbum^asleep | cooool |
| 05:52:03 | Fatbum^asleep | found the star_button.png |
| 05:52:16 | Fatbum^asleep | start_button |
| 05:52:18 | Fatbum^asleep | rather |
| 05:52:24 | Fatbum^asleep | wonder why they call it start_button |
| 05:52:27 | Fatbum^asleep | *ripp* |
| 05:53:37 | Fatbum^asleep | hey you use oz? |
| 05:53:42 | Com[Plex | nope |
| 05:53:48 | Fatbum^asleep | damn |
| 05:53:51 | Com[Plex | why? |
| 05:54:17 | Fatbum^asleep | it doesnt load up any otehr bgs than ones on the cf, i want to load from a dir |
| 05:54:24 | Fatbum^asleep | ill chek the confs |
| 05:55:08 | Fatbum^asleep | it doesnt seem to load up ANY giles |
| 05:55:10 | Fatbum^asleep | filesw |
| 05:55:21 | Fatbum^asleep | like in text editor you cant look for files |
| 05:57:06 | Com[Plex | hmm. |
| 05:57:52 | Fatbum^asleep | it is frustrating me |
| 05:58:09 | Com[Plex | what happens when you try to look? |
| 05:58:19 | Fatbum^asleep | i see folders and stuff |
| 05:58:22 | Fatbum^asleep | no files |
| 05:58:35 | Com[Plex | its looking for a specific file type, wont let you look at thenm all |
| 05:58:51 | Fatbum^asleep | nope |
| 05:59:00 | Fatbum^asleep | like one type is 'image/*' |
| 05:59:06 | Fatbum^asleep | where are those at...the uh.... |
| 05:59:10 | Fatbum^asleep | mime types |
| 05:59:12 | Fatbum^asleep | right? |
| 05:59:14 | Fatbum^asleep | where are those? |
| 06:04:13 | Fatbum^asleep | eh |
| 06:04:15 | Fatbum^asleep | sleepin then |
| 06:04:19 | Fatbum^asleep | is away |
| 06:04:30 | Com[Plex | gnite |
| 06:04:51 | Com[Plex | I dunno the answer to that Q, buit im sure someone does |
| 06:04:59 | Com[Plex | I need sleep now too. good idea |
| 07:21:20 | BeFrank | hi all |
| 07:26:18 | BeFrank | I have a question: I'm running MacOS X and BeOS as my to main desktop OSes. Is there working drivers for the MacOS X? I guess that there is nothing for BeOS :-( |
| 11:34:30 | somazero | Hello all, It seems I have a small problem...:( |
| 11:35:23 | somazero | When using the usbdnet module, trying to setup the zaurus with Linux, I can either ping from the desktop, or ping from the pda, depending on what commands I use...I'd like to do both...:) |
| 11:46:45 | somazero | Hello all...Here are the commands that I am using... |
| 11:46:55 | somazero | frog somazero # ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.255 up |
| 11:46:55 | somazero | frog somazero # route add -host 192.168.0.5 usb0 |
| 11:47:12 | somazero | I can ping from the pda, but I can't ping from the desktop... |
| 11:47:18 | somazero | any suggestions? |
| 11:49:40 | somazero | henrik: :)...got any suggestions? |
| 12:14:50 | numat_rly_home | is back (gone 62:32:20) |
| 12:32:35 | surge | anyone happen to know how to make a srom image from an existing zaurus? |
| 12:33:47 | Fatbum^asleep | weve been trying surge |
| 12:33:56 | Fatbum^asleep | someone saig they saw something, but we dont know |
| 12:34:26 | Fatbum-school | later all |
| 12:34:34 | surge | shit |
| 12:34:43 | | surge: excuse me? |
| 12:34:43 | surge | ibot rom image |
| 12:34:57 | | surge: what? |
| 12:34:57 | surge | ibot how do i make a rom image |
| 12:35:08 | | hmmm... Sharp rom is at http://www.myzaurus.com/ROMupdate.asp |
| 12:35:08 | surge | ibot Sharp rom |
| 12:35:27 | surge | argh, what did they say?! |
| 12:38:31 | Fatbum-school | mkrom? |
| 12:38:33 | Fatbum-school | hehe |
| 12:38:44 | | surge: i'm not following you... |
| 12:38:44 | surge | ibot mkrom |
| 12:38:52 | Fatbum-school | i made it up |
| 12:38:56 | Fatbum-school | sounds nice |
| 12:39:04 | surge | oh |
| 12:47:26 | surge | Fatbum-school: did you find out if the new rom has jeode and stuff in it? |
| 12:47:33 | surge | doh |
| 13:08:30 | Com[Plex | the sharp rom does. |
| 13:20:33 | surge | oh good |
| 13:20:56 | surge | maybe ill even get the hancom i deserved |
| 13:46:53 | ljp | wonders if ever TT is going to announce contest winners.... |
| 13:56:09 | Twiun | yawns |
| 13:56:31 | ljp | wonders again if ever TT is going to announce contest winners.... |
| 13:56:49 | BigBoss | supposedly this week |
| 13:57:12 | Rince | :-) |
| 13:57:46 | ljp | ok.. I'll start preparing a space for my new large screen tv ;) |
| 13:57:58 | BigBoss | I already cleared my living room - you're too late :) |
| 13:58:35 | Twiun | anyone tried the fps preview mentioned on zaurus-general? |
| 13:58:59 | ljp | I wonder how many apps were entered, but did not win the first round and were dropped because the author felt too dejected to go on.. |
| 13:59:42 | BigBoss | fpw? |
| 13:59:44 | BigBoss | fps? |
| 14:03:11 | surge | whats TT? |
| 14:03:37 | ljp | TrollTech |
| 14:03:41 | Twiun | fps - First Person Shooter |
| 14:03:54 | Twiun | think Doom |
| 14:03:57 | surge | damn, guess i cant enter my java app :) |
| 14:04:18 | surge | wh0t? there is a competition to make a fps shooter for zaurus? |
| 14:04:19 | Twiun | surge: there's supposed to be a Java contest too, soon. |
| 14:04:42 | Twiun | surge: nah... read zaurus-general ;-) someone put a preview of HIS fps on the web |
| 14:05:02 | surge | oh |
| 14:05:15 | surge | quake didnt work for me, dammit. i would have liked to see that |
| 14:05:35 | surge | Twiun: happen to know where that is hosted? |
| 14:06:22 | surge | "HIS fps" |
| 14:06:25 | surge | Twiun: found any bugs btw? |
| 14:07:01 | surge | Twiun: there now a webpage of sorts, and a new version at http://www.i2net.com.au:81/remote/zaurus/zcalc/ |
| 14:11:27 | Twiun | surge: it's in the email... give me a sec |
| 14:14:15 | Twiun | surge: http://ianlinsdell.0catch.com/raycast_1.0_arm.ipk |
| 14:14:21 | Twiun | that's the url in the email |
| 14:14:31 | surge | Twiun: ah ok |
| 14:14:42 | surge | no description etc |
| 14:14:44 | surge | ? |
| 14:14:50 | surge | screenshots... |
| 14:15:02 | Twiun | pretty short description - just says it's a demo/preview |
| 14:15:11 | surge | hum |
| 14:15:16 | Twiun | surge: nope... having a look at the site now |
| 14:15:28 | surge | that just killed all my incentive to try it |
| 14:16:00 | Twiun | hrmm - and no idex page on the site |
| 14:16:04 | Twiun | index even |
| 14:16:16 | Twiun | Anyone else wanna be a lab rat? |
| 14:16:31 | Twiun | I'm curious - and I can't get it onto my Z at work :-( |
| 14:17:39 | surge | what? |
| 14:18:06 | Twiun | surge: that fps without a website that killed your incentive ;-) |
| 14:18:12 | surge | oh |
| 14:18:13 | surge | heh |
| 14:18:17 | surge | NO! :) |
| 14:19:04 | Twiun | surge: come on ;-) at worst it'd mean a hard reset! |
| 14:19:10 | Twiun | surge: You know you want to! |
| 14:19:24 | surge | Twiun: heh |
| 14:19:49 | surge | Twiun: well... im about to reinstall the rom if i can.. when i get that working ill give it a shot |
| 14:20:00 | Twiun | jumps for joy! |
| 14:20:10 | Twiun | thanks ;-) |
| 14:20:33 | surge | but dont hold out hope, the site my original rom comes from appears to be down. |
| 14:21:51 | Twiun | oh well |
| 14:24:07 | surge | ah fucking great |
| 14:24:18 | surge | now they give me "permission denied" |
| 14:24:42 | surge | wants to kill zaurus.de |
| 14:26:18 | Twiun | surge: they seem to at least be working on it |
| 14:28:05 | surge | Twiun: on what? screwing up their website? |
| 14:29:56 | surge | ok, so they have soem lame/illegal thing where they will only give me the rom once per user. pity i didnt get it all the first time :/ |
| 14:30:38 | surge | would like to bash some clue into a few ppls heads |
| 14:33:04 | Twiun | surge: best have a good moan at Jason - or at least CC him in a good moan at Sharp DE |
| 14:33:54 | Twiun | surge: Here's an idea... get Jason to mirror the 5500g rom releases somewhere else |
| 14:34:19 | surge | whos jason? |
| 14:35:04 | surge | i got it all now anyway... next problem "not enough memory" hah! |
| 14:35:34 | Twiun | Jason, as in Jason Perlow... |
| 14:35:40 | | Twiun: excuse me? |
| 14:35:40 | Twiun | ibot: jason |
| 14:35:43 | surge | who is...? |
| 14:35:45 | surge | :) |
| 14:35:46 | | i guess JasonNJ is "Jason Perlow" <mailto:perlow@hotmail.com> |
| 14:35:46 | Twiun | ibot: JasonNJ |
| 14:36:00 | Twiun | Jason is a Sharp consultant |
| 14:36:04 | surge | ok |
| 14:36:22 | Twiun | hmm... let me dig out his sharp address |
| 14:36:34 | Twiun | it'll be better for CC-ing to |
| 14:37:01 | surge | well i dont plan to send them mail... if the 5500non-g update works, ill never use another 5500g one |
| 14:37:11 | surge | i hate german |
| 14:37:45 | Twiun | what about the keyboard - won't that cause you problems? |
| 14:37:55 | surge | thats what im trying to find out |
| 14:38:07 | surge | if its a hardware keyboard it should work fine |
| 14:38:17 | Twiun | Ok, then if you want his email, ask him for it ;-) He should be on eventually |
| 14:38:36 | surge | yeh if he comes on irc, ill tell him about zaurus.de |
| 14:38:56 | surge | thats wont distract me from my current goal. |
| 14:39:55 | Twiun | wouldn't dare ;-) |
| 14:39:56 | surge | ah great, now whats happened to zaurus.loveslinux.com |
| 14:40:11 | surge | why not? is he an asshole? |
| 14:40:30 | Twiun | I meant I wouldn dare distract you from your goal |
| 14:40:35 | Twiun | Jason's a really cool guy |
| 14:40:42 | surge | ah |
| 14:40:43 | surge | ok |
| 14:40:52 | Twiun | and zaurus@LL works fine for me |
| 14:41:25 | surge | yeh i just got it too... something real slow here with internet |
| 14:42:02 | Twiun | rofl |
| 14:42:08 | surge | hmm |
| 14:42:11 | Twiun | great image next to the bible news item ;-) |
| 14:42:25 | surge | hey you just distracted me! |
| 14:42:31 | surge | :) |
| 14:42:49 | Twiun | Woops |
| 14:42:56 | Twiun | cackles insanely |
| 14:43:13 | surge | ok, what was that url again, im about to do full reset to get more memory. |
| 14:43:45 | Twiun | http://ianlinsdell.0catch.com/raycast_1.0_arm.ipk |
| 14:43:46 | surge | ill try it now that im already distracted |
| 14:43:54 | Twiun | Hehehe |
| 14:45:18 | surge | any other way to "clean" the memory btw? |
| 14:45:44 | surge | hmm, it bards |
| 14:45:46 | surge | barfs |
| 14:46:09 | surge | too bad, so sad :P |
| 14:46:14 | Twiun | Oh well |
| 14:46:33 | Twiun | it's probably badly packaged |
| 14:47:01 | Twiun | I'm not really bothered enough to repackage it for him ;-) |
| 14:47:51 | surge | yeh if i had time AND it was GPL, id do it also |
| 14:48:17 | msmax | Twiun: it not package, it html page what sayd what file not found ;) |
| 14:49:28 | Twiun | Ahhhh |
| 14:49:55 | Twiun | In that case, I won't write it up for him ;-) |
| 14:50:22 | Twiun | carries on with his insane project... |
| 14:52:41 | surge | what project is that? |
| 14:59:05 | Twiun | surge: Java port of doom ;-) |
| 14:59:11 | surge | my god |
| 14:59:16 | surge | that is insane |
| 14:59:20 | Twiun | I did say 'insane' |
| 14:59:26 | surge | why not fix up quake port? |
| 14:59:29 | Twiun | the doom code is pure C though |
| 14:59:46 | Twiun | quake is too complex to do in Java... oh you mean... |
| 14:59:55 | Twiun | nah... my C skills stop at reading it |
| 14:59:56 | surge | really, that such a waste of time, it makes me cry |
| 15:00:18 | Twiun | surge: likewise... I've been without direction (at work) for 4 weeks |
| 15:00:39 | Twiun | waiting for the C guys to finish so we can release ;-) |
| 15:01:10 | Twiun | now I'll waste more time waiting for management to get their finger out and figure that we're being paid to do work, not just to sit idle |
| 15:01:51 | surge | hey dont knock c programmers, theyre way l33ter than java ones |
| 15:02:00 | surge | is c programmer himself :) |
| 15:02:01 | Twiun | surge: I admire the ones here |
| 15:02:16 | Twiun | well... I mean of course the ones here - but also at work |
| 15:02:34 | Twiun | they've had a lot of work to do - mainly because the legacy code is such shite |
| 15:03:31 | surge | FINALLY!!! |
| 15:03:35 | Twiun | but at least now, they've caught up... still no work scheduled for me though... like you said... it makes me cry |
| 15:03:36 | Rince | hm? |
| 15:03:37 | surge | friggin thing works |
| 15:03:45 | Twiun | surge: cool |
| 15:03:53 | surge | oops, and i forgot to ask ppl to wish me luck :) |
| 15:04:16 | Rince | looks for a C programmer who knows how to program for Qt... I want to have a GUI for a console-program |
| 15:04:32 | surge | Rince: what sort of program? |
| 15:04:45 | surge | Rince: i dunno qt, but thats only a "yet" |
| 15:04:56 | Rince | surge: skey. you have to give it parameters like hashmethod, password, seed and number - and I want to see the output |
| 15:05:15 | Rince | I do it right know with opie-sh, but this has only one window per question, I want to hvae everything in one screen |
| 15:05:22 | surge | bah, i hate ssh |
| 15:05:27 | surge | too paranoid |
| 15:05:33 | Rince | ssh has nothing to do with it |
| 15:05:45 | Twiun | surge: nah... very useful to get around corporate firewals ;-) |
| 15:05:48 | surge | handheld users dont need to see that crap. |
| 15:05:54 | Rince | skey is for One-Time-Passwords |
| 15:06:05 | surge | Twiun: yeh for us (programmers) |
| 15:06:16 | surge | "power users" *shudder* etc |
| 15:06:19 | Rince | to generate them on-the-lfy when you get asked. Very nice, especially if you hve to connect to your homebox |
| 15:06:41 | surge | Rince: write a script. what does a handheld user want to know about that for? |
| 15:07:01 | surge | hmm, shit |
| 15:07:10 | Rince | surge: I have a script for opie-sh, but I don't know how to program the GUI :) |
| 15:08:06 | surge | ok, defautls rom works, now for the new one... |
| 15:09:20 | surge | hmm, guess its a bit late to check for java etx |
| 15:09:22 | surge | etc |
| 15:11:33 | surge | 3 minutes my arse |
| 15:13:09 | surge | fingers crossed |
| 15:13:26 | surge | boots.. |
| 15:13:30 | surge | YAY! |
| 15:14:07 | surge | it runs! |
| 15:14:14 | surge | now for the keyboard... |
| 15:15:06 | JasonNJ | new oz prerelease looks nice. |
| 15:16:34 | ljp | so its working for you? |
| 15:17:02 | JasonNJ | yep |
| 15:17:15 | JasonNJ | just did ipkg upgrade |
| 15:17:19 | JasonNJ | not sure what was added |
| 15:17:32 | JasonNJ | did he add the wireless config? |
| 15:17:49 | surge | JasonNJ: are you a sharp consultant? |
| 15:17:56 | JasonNJ | yes. |
| 15:18:46 | surge | JasonNJ: it looks illegal to me but im not sure. zaurus.de wont distribute rom images, unless you register, and then only once. you might want to take a look |
| 15:19:07 | surge | and DAMMIT! the buttons are screwed! |
| 15:19:26 | surge | JasonNJ: nor have i found the source code for german version anywhere yet. |
| 15:20:52 | ljp | pre10 works fine, except the time gets bumped back to UTC after a reboot |
| 15:23:07 | surge | hey theres hancom on this one too! |
| 15:26:06 | warmi | hi |
| 15:28:03 | Twiun | yo |
| 15:28:27 | JasonNJ | does servermanager work with oz 10? |
| 15:28:40 | surge | Twiun: hey what key is just below backspace on your keyboard? |
| 15:29:03 | JasonNJ | appears to hang on ssh key generation |
| 15:30:14 | JasonNJ | this is weird, addressbook is installed but the launch icon is missing in OZ 10 |
| 15:31:45 | ljp | JasonNJ: its called Contacts |
| 15:32:34 | JasonNJ | I dont see an icon for contact |
| 15:32:36 | JasonNJ | s |
| 15:33:38 | ljp | hmmm .. its here |
| 15:37:07 | Twiun | surge: it's the right-hand shift key |
| 15:37:20 | surge | Twiun: oh |
| 15:37:54 | surge | well, the only keys that are wrong are the z and y keys :/ |
| 15:39:45 | surge | hmm, hancom or working keys. what a dilemma |
| 15:42:22 | Twiun | Haha |
| 15:46:31 | warmi | hehehe |
| 15:52:54 | JasonNJ | man this is weird contacts launches from the terminal but I cant seem to locate the icon |
| 15:53:02 | JasonNJ | and it wont fire up from the key mapper either |
| 15:57:23 | ljp | it's addressbook.desktop but I cant find the icon either |
| 15:58:06 | ljp | even tho it shows up hmmm |
| 16:00:04 | ljp | hmmm phantom icon here |
| 16:02:37 | ljp | hmm the icon's not on my zaurus, yet the icon shows up in Applications |
| 16:06:41 | oob | anyone know how to turn off the annoying key press beep on the Z? |
| 16:06:58 | Rince | sure - there is an icon on the lower side with a speaker |
| 16:07:14 | Rince | press it with the pen and uncross the keyboard |
| 16:07:28 | oob | haha! |
| 16:07:31 | oob | so there is |
| 16:07:32 | surge | heh |
| 16:07:44 | surge | oob: nice when you find a new feature huh |
| 16:07:59 | oob | hehe yeah |
| 16:08:25 | oob | here was me going through rc scripts and other assorted config files |
| 16:08:38 | oob | only to be told that it's right in front of my on the gui |
| 16:08:41 | oob | my/me |
| 16:13:00 | JasonNJ | ljp ok so you can confirm the addressbook bug then |
| 16:13:07 | JasonNJ | I have no icon but I have the app |
| 16:13:22 | JasonNJ | tab maanger is acting funky on oz b10 also |
| 16:13:38 | JasonNJ | wont let me alter the application executable for an icon |
| 16:14:42 | JasonNJ | and how come a ton of space is used up in the ram filesystem on a new install |
| 16:15:46 | ljp | hmm I couldn't tell ya. hit up kergoth when he shows up. |
| 16:16:52 | ljp | bbl |
| 16:18:37 | JasonNJ | btw, contest winners to be announced today or tomorrow. |
| 16:28:53 | hunger | On typing 'reboot' in the terminal: "Memory low: Please close this application immediantly":-) |
| 16:33:28 | surge | hah |
| 16:33:31 | surge | nice one |
| 16:34:37 | Twiun | lol |
| 16:43:12 | dc_ | killefiz: around? |
| 16:45:30 | ljp | people still use OZ 2.7? |
| 16:45:41 | JasonNJ | I should hope not |
| 16:46:24 | ljp | I've seens a few questions around lately pertaining to 2.7... |
| 16:48:07 | surge | anyone remember where that site was where some guy showed how to dissasemble a zaurus? |
| 16:48:44 | ljp | its easy.. take the screws out all over the place.. watch out for the keyboard rails |
| 16:49:04 | peanut | waves |
| 16:49:05 | surge | ljp: eh, well id prefer a bit more instruction that that |
| 16:49:09 | ljp | I probably voids the warranty |
| 16:49:13 | peanut | finally picked up another cradle and power supply. |
| 16:49:19 | peanut | 80 bucks |
| 16:49:28 | ljp | err I mean it voids,,.. not I |
| 16:49:32 | peanut | tried to get a pack of stylii, but they claimed they didn't have them.. |
| 16:49:45 | peanut | guesses they were mixed in with the ipaq stylus or what have you.. |
| 16:50:05 | ljp | there's good instructions on the mic hack |
| 16:50:05 | peanut | checks out ljp's warranty.. |
| 16:50:22 | peanut | ljp: 30 programs or 30 years, whichever comes first |
| 16:50:27 | peanut | uh oh.. |
| 16:50:30 | surge | ljp: and wheres that? |
| 16:50:34 | ljp | heh thats ok.. I've got a backup warranty |
| 16:51:10 | ljp | hang on and let me find it |
| 16:51:25 | peanut | yawns.. |
| 16:51:30 | peanut | so nice to have 2 cradles |
| 16:51:41 | | ljp: I forgot ljp |
| 16:51:41 | ljp | ibot: forget ljp |
| 16:51:43 | d_Eric | ljp: mic hack? |
| 16:51:48 | ljp | yes |
| 16:51:58 | surge | 2 cradles? huh whats the point? |
| 16:52:14 | d_Eric | where can i find this mic hack? |
| 16:52:28 | peanut | surge: one for the home, one for the office |
| 16:52:41 | surge | peanut: on |
| 16:53:04 | peanut | s/on/oh/ ? |
| 16:53:13 | ljp | I'll post a link as soon as I find it.. its easy |
| 16:54:41 | | OK, ljp. |
| 16:54:41 | ljp | ibot: mic inplant is http://www.ncweb.com/~b1114p/sl5x00/sl5x00_mic.htm |
| 16:55:18 | ljp | I'd like to get a better mic for mine, tho |
| 16:57:11 | d_Eric | thanks ljp :) |
| 16:59:21 | ljp | heh kspread 2 doesnt handle csv's? |
| 16:59:54 | warmi | hi Neo|Work |
| 17:00:55 | ljp | heh what good is a spreadsheet that cant handle csv... hmmmm |
| 17:00:58 | Neo|Work | hello |
| 17:01:44 | warmi | Neo|Work: supposedly today or tomorrow trolls will announce the winners |
| 17:02:16 | Neo|Work | cool. Source? |
| 17:02:33 | warmi | Jason |
| 17:02:39 | Neo|Work | So today or tomorrow, I guess that means we should know by the end of the month! :)) |
| 17:02:45 | warmi | heh |
| 17:03:02 | warmi | <JasonNJ> btw, contest winners to be announced today or tomorrow. |
| 17:03:33 | Neo|Work | 020520 9:01:53 Sugar SEEN TALK JasonNJ JasonNJ "btw, contest winners to be anno |
| 17:03:33 | Neo|Work | unced today or tomorrow." #zaurus |
| 17:03:33 | | killefiz was last seen on #zaurus 1 days, 1 hours, 22 minutes and 40 seconds ago, saying: not so cute anymore? [Sun May 19 16:40:53 2002] |
| 17:03:33 | dc__ | ibot seen killefiz |
| 17:03:39 | Neo|Work | long live sugar. :P |
| 17:03:54 | ljp | hmm ok.. I need to re arrange my living room then... heheheheh |
| 17:04:36 | warmi | heh |
| 17:04:50 | ljp | or maybe just my desk |
| 17:05:02 | warmi | or maybe just our expectations |
| 17:05:04 | warmi | hehe |
| 17:05:06 | ljp | but the odds are against me |
| 17:05:22 | warmi | I am teling you .. |
| 17:05:33 | warmi | my bets are on Korganizer for the 1st prize |
| 17:06:02 | ljp | yaa probably.. some office 'suit' type of app |
| 17:06:19 | peanut | at least its not something that will make our penis 3" longer... |
| 17:06:29 | peanut | i'm getting a lot of promises like that in my email lately.. |
| 17:06:34 | peanut | hrmm... |
| 17:06:40 | warmi | heh |
| 17:06:43 | peanut | i guess the Z is about 5 inches.. |
| 17:06:48 | peanut | nevermind.. |
| 17:06:51 | warmi | 3 " ?? that's alot |
| 17:07:00 | warmi | hehe |
| 17:07:04 | peanut | warmi: i thought thats what the email promise said? |
| 17:07:10 | [DrEvil] | size doesn't matter |
| 17:07:13 | [DrEvil] | it's how you use it |
| 17:07:15 | peanut | hehehe.. |
| 17:07:30 | warmi | I don't know .. just wondering that to "add" 3" would be very hard |
| 17:07:39 | peanut | instead of korganizer, give me something that will get rid of the spam! |
| 17:07:40 | Neo|Work | http://www.google.com/ <-- heh |
| 17:07:41 | warmi | bordering on miracle |
| 17:07:59 | warmi | peanut: junkbuster ? |
| 17:08:13 | warmi | ups .. |
| 17:08:23 | warmi | that's add buster not spam buster |
| 17:08:24 | warmi | hehe |
| 17:08:30 | peanut | knows.. |
| 17:08:33 | peanut | the ads don't bother me.. |
| 17:08:44 | peanut | and since i can turn pop ups/unders off.. |
| 17:08:59 | peanut | the spam bugs the living shi* out of me.. |
| 17:09:00 | warmi | well, filters then .... something like Eudora filters will get the job done most of the time |
| 17:09:08 | peanut | filters.. |
| 17:09:10 | peanut | but its a pain.. |
| 17:09:52 | warmi | I think peanut is hoping for some sort of magical checkmar labeled "remove spam" .. |
| 17:09:59 | peanut | warmi: no.. |
| 17:10:05 | peanut | remove spam and kill the person who sent it.. |
| 17:10:06 | peanut | come on.. |
| 17:10:09 | peanut | get it right :) |
| 17:10:19 | warmi | heh |
| 17:10:19 | peanut | hehehe.. |
| 17:10:38 | peanut | seriously.. i have no one to thank except the paid politicians in my country.. |
| 17:10:38 | ljp | death is too easy of an out.. it must be maimed |
| 17:10:43 | peanut | wait.. |
| 17:10:44 | peanut | I GOT IT |
| 17:10:52 | peanut | how about taking 3 of their inches ? |
| 17:10:57 | warmi | heh |
| 17:11:13 | peanut | sees the spam now.. |
| 17:11:24 | warmi | that's cruel ... I mean just about as cruel as it will get |
| 17:11:30 | peanut | because i'm sending this to you, i can guarantee you'll get an additional 3 inches |
| 17:11:40 | peanut | warmi: but its fun to laugh about! |
| 17:12:48 | warmi | well, I get aproximately 10-15 junk emails every day |
| 17:12:53 | warmi | on my private account |
| 17:12:57 | warmi | not bad |
| 17:13:02 | warmi | can live with that |
| 17:14:36 | [DrEvil] | grrrr |
| 17:14:45 | [DrEvil] | my GPU cooling fan is dying |
| 17:15:11 | warmi | if you have AMD cpu than be afraid .. |
| 17:15:20 | warmi | hehe |
| 17:15:29 | warmi | I killed my Athlon 1 Ghz that way .. |
| 17:15:34 | [DrEvil] | video CPU |
| 17:15:43 | warmi | oh ok |
| 17:15:44 | [DrEvil] | nvIdia |
| 17:15:50 | warmi | that's not good either |
| 17:15:59 | warmi | can you get replacement for this ? |
| 17:16:13 | [DrEvil] | Thermal Take makes replacement fans |
| 17:16:30 | warmi | is this nvidia you are talking about ? |
| 17:16:43 | [DrEvil] | it's a GeForce2 chip |
| 17:17:00 | [DrEvil] | but TT makes better replacement fans |
| 17:17:42 | [DrEvil] | I had a Dragon Orb 3 on my AMD CPU |
| 17:17:44 | ljp | wtf kind of spreadsheets dont know about csv? damn... |
| 17:17:48 | [DrEvil] | damn that thing was loud |
| 17:19:04 | surge | uh yeah peanut, i meant "oh" |
| 17:19:25 | warmi | it took 3 external fans to get my AMD down to 60 degrees |
| 17:19:47 | [DrEvil] | if I had the cash for the AMD box I would go Koolance |
| 17:20:56 | ljp | ya koolance is a good co.. my pumps started going after 10 months of use.. and they replaced them for free, and installed a huge case fan, also! |
| 17:21:08 | [DrEvil] | cool |
| 17:21:22 | [DrEvil] | I have a mish-mash of systems |
| 17:21:39 | surge | and thus a mish-mash of computing power |
| 17:21:41 | ljp | me too |
| 17:23:07 | [DrEvil] | anyone writing a SMB browser for the Z? |
| 17:24:11 | warmi | actually, I was wondering if it is possible to mount smb drive from Windows under linux .. |
| 17:24:17 | [DrEvil] | yes |
| 17:24:20 | warmi | basically if the Zaurus supports smbmount |
| 17:24:28 | warmi | I know Linux can but I mean Z |
| 17:24:29 | warmi | ) |
| 17:24:33 | [DrEvil] | there are samba packages for Linux |
| 17:24:34 | [DrEvil] | and the Z |
| 17:24:49 | warmi | yeah, I have Samba server installed but it is only deamon |
| 17:24:54 | warmi | what I need is smbmount |
| 17:24:56 | [DrEvil] | there is a samba client |
| 17:25:07 | warmi | but I think it is only their ftp-like client |
| 17:25:18 | [DrEvil] | not that I know of |
| 17:25:26 | [DrEvil] | that is one of the things I am going to try today |
| 17:25:43 | [DrEvil] | I think smbmount uses the kernel space smb stuff |
| 17:25:47 | warmi | I use Samba all the time to transfer files from my Linux or Windows boxes to the Zaurus |
| 17:25:52 | treke | it uses smbfs.o |
| 17:25:56 | warmi | yeah. I know |
| 17:26:00 | warmi | it is Linux specifc |
| 17:26:53 | warmi | it would be nice if I could mount smb share on my zaurus and run/test softeware from there instead of CF/SD/Z memory |
| 17:27:34 | warmi | I could probably try NFS .. |
| 17:27:40 | [DrEvil] | I can mount nfs shares on my Z |
| 17:27:48 | warmi | but I don't like nfs |
| 17:27:59 | warmi | or should I say ... I am not familiar with NFS |
| 17:28:00 | warmi | :-) |
| 17:28:38 | warmi | DrEvil: is NFS deamon installed by default on the Zaurus ? |
| 17:28:44 | [DrEvil] | nope |
| 17:28:51 | [DrEvil] | you have to download the packages |
| 17:29:29 | warmi | well, NFS sucks for Windows ... I wuld have to buy 3rd party product |
| 17:29:47 | [DrEvil] | someone has probably ported it via cygin |
| 17:30:01 | d_Eric | free NFS servers are available for windows |
| 17:30:03 | Neo|Work | sugar heard kendrick |
| 17:30:03 | Sugar | Neo|Work: I last heard kendrick on IRC 1098h 32m 27s ago in channel #zaurus saying: ops |
| 17:30:04 | d_Eric | NFS clients are harder |
| 17:30:05 | Neo|Work | sugar heard kendrick2 |
| 17:30:05 | Sugar | Neo|Work: I last heard kendrick2 on IRC 35h 37m 40s ago in channel #SDL saying: good luck! |
| 17:30:05 | [DrEvil] | cygwin |
| 17:30:29 | [DrEvil] | yay |
| 17:30:31 | [DrEvil] | a new Kismet |
| 17:31:14 | [DrEvil] | http://www.thermaltake.com/products/chipset/crystalOrb.htm |
| 17:31:21 | [DrEvil] | there is the video cooler I should get |
| 17:31:49 | warmi | hmm .... it seems that one after all on the fly adjust memory/disk space allocation on the Zaurus using paging file |
| 17:32:00 | [DrEvil] | I wonder if the kismet ipk will actually show up in the feed list |
| 17:32:16 | warmi | Sharp should wrap it around in some nice GUI |
| 17:32:36 | warmi | people are complaining that Pocket PC has that ability and Zaurus does not |
| 17:32:44 | [DrEvil] | wrap what in a GUI? |
| 17:33:32 | warmi | swap file creation |
| 17:33:38 | [DrEvil] | o |
| 17:33:46 | [DrEvil] | but there is a problem with that |
| 17:33:50 | warmi | ? |
| 17:33:58 | [DrEvil] | same reason they don't install the terminal by default |
| 17:34:19 | warmi | which is ? |
| 17:34:23 | [DrEvil] | they are trying to keep people from shooting themselves in the foot |
| 17:34:29 | Neo|Work | warmi: yeah, add a swap on the internal disk. :) |
| 17:34:33 | GepSLEEP | ah? Terminal isn't installed by default? |
| 17:34:38 | [DrEvil] | no |
| 17:34:40 | Gepeto | on what rom? |
| 17:34:41 | [DrEvil] | it is on the CD |
| 17:34:46 | [DrEvil] | the sharp one |
| 17:34:55 | Gepeto | oh....the term was on my 5000d though |
| 17:35:00 | Gepeto | didn't know the 5500 didn't come with it |
| 17:35:00 | Neo|Work | [DrEvil]: if you make a nice app to handle it, no problem |
| 17:35:04 | [DrEvil] | you have a developer model |
| 17:35:09 | Gepeto | yeah that's what I thought |
| 17:35:12 | warmi | DrEvil: that's why I said ... create smart GUI program that will shield user from complexity of creating/deleting swap file |
| 17:35:28 | Gepeto | Could probably do it with that qt-sh thingie |
| 17:35:37 | Gepeto | would be quite simple no? |
| 17:35:54 | warmi | yeah, I mean that would be quite usefull .. |
| 17:36:23 | warmi | lots of people have free "disk" space lying around and sometimes it would be usefull to make it available as a memory |
| 17:36:43 | Gepeto | Hmm I can't connect to my Z with any other ftp client than "ftp" itself |
| 17:36:56 | Gepeto | Maybe it's because there is no password? |
| 17:37:21 | Gepeto | argh dammit I deleted my zsync.sh script |
| 17:37:29 | warmi | heh |
| 17:38:34 | Gepeto | Um...something is weird...unable to bring back up usb0 |
| 17:38:55 | [DrEvil] | usb0 doesn't work for me anymore |
| 17:40:16 | Gepeto | but...whyyyyy won't it work :( |
| 17:40:26 | [DrEvil] | it is not a priority for me |
| 17:40:29 | [DrEvil] | I have WLAN |
| 17:40:41 | [DrEvil] | it worked once but never again |
| 17:40:51 | Gepeto | me it worked since yesterday |
| 17:41:45 | Gepeto | ok well I'll look into that later, I'm too lazy now |
| 17:42:24 | [DrEvil] | and I will call my Z, scutter |
| 17:42:40 | Gepeto | May 20 13:45:23 aliencow kernel: hub.c: USB new device connect on bus2/2, assigned device number 18 |
| 17:42:43 | Gepeto | May 20 13:45:23 aliencow kernel: usb.c: USB device 18 (vend/prod 0x4dd/0x8004) is not claimed by any active driver. |
| 17:42:46 | Gepeto | that doesn't look too bad now does it? |
| 17:43:06 | [DrEvil] | when I bring up usbview, the Z doesn't look like there is any driver using it |
| 17:43:13 | [DrEvil] | it is in red |
| 17:43:18 | [DrEvil] | but usbdnet is loaded |
| 17:43:28 | [DrEvil] | and the mods have been made to modules.usbmap |
| 17:43:29 | Gepeto | ohhh I rebooted maybe usbdnet didn't start |
| 17:43:49 | Gepeto | ahhh |
| 17:43:50 | Gepeto | there :) |
| 17:43:55 | [DrEvil] | heh |
| 17:44:07 | Gepeto | see, I'm not really used to rebooting hehe |
| 17:44:26 | MEGASTeP | is back (gone 63:44:58) |
| 17:44:32 | [DrEvil] | I've had to reset my Z far more times than I have had to with my Palm |
| 17:44:40 | Gepeto | I mean rebooting my PC |
| 17:44:48 | [DrEvil] | ahh |
| 17:45:24 | Gepeto | ok so now why Can't i use anything else than "ftp" to connect :| |
| 17:45:37 | [DrEvil] | no telnet? |
| 17:45:48 | [DrEvil] | did you load servermanager? |
| 17:45:55 | Gepeto | nonon I mean |
| 17:46:01 | Gepeto | something else than the "ftp" command line ftp client |
| 17:46:03 | Gepeto | to connect to the ftp |
| 17:46:16 | Gepeto | LIST -L |
| 17:46:16 | Gepeto | 500 Syntax error, command unrecognized |
| 17:46:46 | Gepeto | all others give that error |
| 17:47:03 | Gepeto | ncftp won't connect at all |
| 17:47:07 | Gepeto | gftp same error |
| 17:49:09 | [DrEvil] | I haven't messed around with ftp on the Z yet |
| 18:01:05 | nems-work | howdy guys |
| 18:02:30 | [DrEvil] | howdy |
| 18:02:53 | nems-work | Hey Doc.. i finally got pre10 working nicely... |
| 18:02:59 | nems-work | Thanks for all the info the other day. |
| 18:03:06 | [DrEvil] | okie |
| 18:04:30 | [DrEvil] | drat |
| 18:04:36 | [DrEvil] | why is my prompt not changing |
| 18:05:49 | nems-work | ? |
| 18:06:19 | [DrEvil] | I am trying to change the bash prompt |
| 18:06:26 | [DrEvil] | and it always comes back to # |
| 18:09:14 | nems-work | Hmm. just using the prompt command? |
| 18:11:53 | [DrEvil] | how odd |
| 18:12:01 | [DrEvil] | it changes on the konsole on the Z |
| 18:12:04 | [DrEvil] | but not when I telnet in |
| 18:19:16 | [DrEvil] | why oh why is this not working |
| 18:21:29 | nems-work | Oh. |
| 18:21:33 | nems-work | Add it to your .profile |
| 18:21:39 | nems-work | on the Z |
| 18:21:49 | nems-work | and make sure that's executing. |
| 18:21:50 | [DrEvil] | .profile or .bash_profile? |
| 18:21:55 | nems-work | They should be symlinked, I believe. |
| 18:22:15 | [DrEvil] | screams |
| 18:22:19 | [DrEvil] | what happend to my stock |
| 18:22:34 | Gepeto | what ? |
| 18:22:40 | Gepeto | you hadn't checked your cisco stock since 1999? :) |
| 18:22:48 | nems-work | lmao |
| 18:40:16 | Neo|Work | put up a new SDL ipkg on his feed |
| 18:40:52 | Twiun | rehi |
| 18:47:43 | [DrEvil] | heh |
| 18:47:46 | [DrEvil] | kicks himself |
| 18:49:09 | Twiun | kicks [DrEvil] |
| 18:49:15 | Twiun | thought he'd join in |
| 18:49:17 | [DrEvil] | unkicks himseld |
| 18:49:25 | [DrEvil] | why wont this work |
| 18:49:33 | Twiun | What're you trying to do? |
| 18:49:45 | [DrEvil] | trying to change the cursor prompt |
| 18:49:58 | Twiun | on the Z? |
| 18:50:05 | [DrEvil] | it works when I log in with the embedded console on the Z |
| 18:50:10 | [DrEvil] | but when I telnet in it doesn't |
| 18:50:14 | [DrEvil] | yes |
| 18:50:35 | Twiun | what about when you ssh in? |
| 18:50:54 | [DrEvil] | same thing as if I telneted in |
| 18:51:11 | Twiun | what does your TERM variable say? |
| 18:51:37 | [DrEvil] | xterm |
| 18:52:03 | Twiun | hmmm... looking at my Z's console, it thinks vt100 |
| 18:52:23 | Twiun | Not that it should make a great deal of difference |
| 18:52:48 | [DrEvil] | if I manually type bash when I telnet in, it changes the prompt |
| 18:53:08 | [DrEvil] | PS1='\[\e[0;32m\]\h\[\e[0;37m\]\[\e (\w)\[\e[0;0m\]$ ' |
| 18:53:13 | [DrEvil] | that works from .bashrc |
| 18:53:16 | [DrEvil] | but not .profile |
| 18:53:50 | Twiun | tried using set -x to see what the thing thinks it's sourcing? |
| 18:54:05 | [DrEvil] | put that in a file? |
| 18:54:25 | Twiun | Yeah, add it to the top of .profile and/or .bashrc |
| 18:54:36 | Twiun | it should echo everything it does in the file |
| 18:54:42 | Twiun | to the console |
| 18:55:34 | Twiun | Arrrgh... why doesn't anyone ever read howtos? |
| 18:55:47 | Twiun | I've found the reason why the raycast demo doesn't work |
| 18:56:20 | Twiun | everything's stashed under QtPalmtop/bin... and then it's surprised it can't find the lib it bundles |
| 18:56:21 | [DrEvil] | the embeded konsole sources .bashrc |
| 18:56:30 | [DrEvil] | the telnet/ssh console sources .profile |
| 18:56:47 | Twiun | [DrEvil]: there's your answer then... try changing your default shell in /etc/passwd |
| 18:56:56 | Twiun | so it's bash instead of sh |
| 18:57:31 | [DrEvil] | still sources .profile |
| 18:57:51 | Twiun | [DrEvil]: did you log out? |
| 18:58:11 | Twiun | (or was it reboot?) |
| 18:58:14 | Twiun | one of the two |
| 18:58:41 | [DrEvil] | yeah |
| 18:58:42 | [DrEvil] | ok...that worked now |
| 18:58:42 | [DrEvil] | sh didn't like that PS1 line |
| 18:58:43 | nyargh | anyone have a favorite cross-compiling environment for the Z? |
| 19:00:20 | Twiun | [DrEvil]: Hehe, I doubt it even supports it... I think it uses the prompt variable |
| 19:00:45 | [DrEvil] | there was a PS1 variable in there though |
| 19:00:53 | [DrEvil] | but it was a simple PS1="# " |
| 19:01:31 | Twiun | we'd have to ask someone who knows more about busybox to find out more |
| 19:02:14 | nyargh | also, anyone know how to get autoconf scripts to not test the cross-compiler? |
| 19:02:23 | nyargh | since it can't exec the binaries it creates? |
| 19:02:36 | Gepeto | Roni size rocks |
| 19:07:00 | nems-work | How do I keep from getting booted off? :p |
| 19:07:20 | Gepeto | no idea ;) |
| 19:07:37 | Twiun | Hehe... better isp, or choose a different opn server ;-) |
| 19:07:50 | Twiun | I very rarely get booted off here |
| 19:07:54 | Gepeto | or put those filters on the phones in the house if you got a DSL ;) |
| 19:08:01 | Twiun | that too ;-) |
| 19:08:41 | nems-work | Better isp? ;p |
| 19:08:47 | nems-work | I work for the government. :) |
| 19:08:55 | Gepeto | sooooo?% |
| 19:08:57 | nems-work | too bad I've gotta go through my home box to irc. oops. |
| 19:08:59 | Twiun | falls down laughing |
| 19:09:09 | Gepeto | nems-work: well I do that too frmo work |
| 19:09:11 | nems-work | The line at work is great.. its just that I gotta go through my home cable to irc ;) |
| 19:09:23 | Twiun | nems-work: I do that for aim |
| 19:09:24 | nems-work | At work I got 670k / second downloading the 2.4.18 kernel :) |
| 19:09:32 | nems-work | WE have aim through work... go through port 110 |
| 19:09:33 | Gepeto | nems-work: I do 400 at home :) |
| 19:09:34 | Twiun | goes green with envy |
| 19:09:38 | nems-work | Gepeto : I hate you. :) |
| 19:09:46 | Gepeto | nems-work: butttt I got 15kb/sec upload.... |
| 19:09:49 | nems-work | lol |
| 19:09:53 | Gepeto | I could always snmp in and tftp a new config |
| 19:09:56 | Gepeto | but I'd probably get caught |
| 19:10:00 | Gepeto | and loose my cable |
| 19:10:06 | Gepeto | and I can't get ADSL here :| |
| 19:10:09 | Gepeto | so I'd be screwed |
| 19:10:10 | nems-work | Sucky |
| 19:10:19 | nems-work | I should do that.. gives me an excuse to get adsl. |
| 19:10:27 | Gepeto | what kind of modem? |
| 19:10:35 | nems-work | surfboard |
| 19:10:36 | nems-work | or something |
| 19:10:38 | nems-work | like that |
| 19:10:42 | Gepeto | ohh hlike me |
| 19:10:42 | nems-work | I dunno. |
| 19:10:43 | Gepeto | is it white |
| 19:10:44 | Gepeto | and vertical? |
| 19:10:45 | nems-work | yup |
| 19:10:46 | nems-work | nope |
| 19:10:49 | nems-work | horizontal |
| 19:10:52 | nems-work | but it looks like the vertical ones. |
| 19:10:57 | Gepeto | oik |
| 19:11:04 | nems-work | afk a bit. |
| 19:11:39 | nems-work | I need some cool packages for my Z :) someone give me some ideas while I'm afk. |
| 19:12:21 | Gepeto | you give me ideas too! |
| 19:12:24 | Gepeto | I want dsniff on my Z |
| 19:16:27 | [DrEvil] | hrmmm |
| 19:16:33 | nems-work | dsniff? whats that do? |
| 19:16:35 | [DrEvil] | did kismet always show the battery status of the Z? |
| 19:17:30 | Gepeto | nems-work: dsniff is a network sniffer which auto-greps passwords and stuff |
| 19:17:35 | Gepeto | I want it for the cool-factor though |
| 19:17:48 | Twiun | Gepeto: hehe |
| 19:18:19 | Gepeto | well you gotta admit that dsniff on a wireless pda would be neat, no? :) |
| 19:20:01 | Twiun | Gepeto: I'm thinking more of just visiting the Cisco lab nearby with a cat5 cable ;-) |
| 19:21:51 | W|GGL|T | is back (gone 13:43:17) |
| 19:24:37 | [DrEvil] | hmmm |
| 19:24:53 | [DrEvil] | there is now a prism2_hopper script in the kismet distro |
| 19:25:04 | nems-work | prism2_hopper? |
| 19:25:07 | nems-work | What is kismet? |
| 19:25:08 | [DrEvil] | yeah |
| 19:25:13 | [DrEvil] | a wlan sniffer |
| 19:25:14 | nems-work | and prism2_hopper? |
| 19:25:25 | [DrEvil] | prism2 is a wlan chipset |
| 19:25:37 | [DrEvil] | prism2_hopper causes the card to hop channels |
| 19:25:46 | nems-work | ah |
| 19:26:01 | [DrEvil] | The ``prism2_hopper'' program included will rotate the monitoring channel on a |
| 19:26:01 | [DrEvil] | prism2 card through all 12 channels, |
| 19:30:42 | nems-work | So no suggestions? |
| 19:40:18 | BigBoss | hey rikkus |
| 19:40:46 | rikkus | hi BigBoss |
| 19:41:23 | rikkus | slight lack of irc availability at thekompany earlier |
| 19:41:46 | rikkus | ah, looks like it's up now |
| 19:45:15 | BigBoss | yes, we got it running |
| 19:54:27 | [DrEvil] | labonte |
| 19:56:51 | nems-work | What is a good wirelss device for the Z? |
| 19:59:44 | Neo|Work | is away: lunch |
| 20:04:59 | BigBoss | we've finished our super kick ass replacement addressbook. It will be available for sale in a few hours |
| 20:05:14 | Gepeto | !! :)) |
| 20:05:18 | Gepeto | screenshots screenshots |
| 20:05:56 | BigBoss | they will be on the web pages |
| 20:06:04 | BigBoss | just waiting for the webmaster to get it all put up |
| 20:06:22 | Twiun | BigBoss: this the same webmaster as last time? |
| 20:06:24 | Twiun | grins |
| 20:07:09 | warmi | hmm .. so now ljp can start cloning .. |
| 20:07:12 | warmi | heeh |
| 20:07:17 | BigBoss | he is actually doing it right now |
| 20:07:20 | BigBoss | last time he was away |
| 20:07:26 | Twiun | Ahhhh |
| 20:07:40 | Twiun | In that case he's forgiven ;-) |
| 20:07:47 | BigBoss | it interfaces with our calendar as well |
| 20:07:56 | BigBoss | so you can do things like have a persons birthday added to the calendar |
| 20:08:23 | warmi | BB: is this drop-in replacement for the default addressbook ? |
| 20:08:32 | BigBoss | yes |
| 20:08:37 | BigBoss | it's really pretty damn cool |
| 20:08:45 | BigBoss | it goes way beyond what is in there |
| 20:09:02 | BigBoss | selectable alpha range buttons for categorizing |
| 20:09:10 | BigBoss | so like a-c, d-g, etc. |
| 20:09:15 | BigBoss | you can make them whatever you want |
| 20:09:24 | BigBoss | as well as categories with color coding |
| 20:09:31 | warmi | I am sure that will sell well ... |
| 20:09:33 | BigBoss | zoom in and zoom out on text |
| 20:09:39 | BigBoss | only $39.95 |
| 20:09:43 | BigBoss | :) |
| 20:09:48 | BigBoss | $8.95 |
| 20:09:51 | warmi | hehe |
| 20:09:56 | warmi | BB: this is too low |
| 20:10:03 | warmi | seriously |
| 20:10:15 | warmi | you are making hard for others to price their products |
| 20:10:25 | BigBoss | we were thinking about $14.95, but I want to have an introductory price |
| 20:10:30 | warmi | if your stuff is that cheap how much to charge for simpler apps ? |
| 20:11:15 | BigBoss | people should price stuff the way they want to price it. |
| 20:11:20 | warmi | heh |
| 20:11:23 | BigBoss | I'm trying to price it below the pain threshold |
| 20:11:43 | warmi | yeah, I know .... but $8 is really cheap |
| 20:12:28 | warmi | well, baring serious bugs .. I am sure it will become hit on sharp handango |
| 20:13:11 | Twiun | that reminds me... probably time to go download the latest bits of my bundle... |
| 20:13:29 | BigBoss | I'll see how it goes |
| 20:15:38 | warmi | http://www.handango.com/sharp/PlatformProductDetail.jsp?siteId=423&jid=23B984BBE8C9X5A2DXDB4FE245BC2E92&catalog=0§ionId=0&productType=2&platformId=9&productId=31593 |
| 20:15:55 | warmi | this guy is charging $9 box for his little find utility |
| 20:16:10 | warmi | bbox=bucks |
| 20:21:39 | BigBoss | is he selling it? |
| 20:21:46 | BigBoss | stop talking - the clone master is here :) |
| 20:21:57 | ljp | hmmm??? |
| 20:22:04 | ljp | selling what? |
| 20:22:08 | [DrEvil] | Attack of The Clone Masters |
| 20:22:28 | BigBoss | http://www.handango.com/sharp/PlatformProductDetail.jsp?siteId=423&jid=23B984BBE8C9X5A2DXDB4FE245BC2E92&catalog=0§ionId=0&productType=2&platformId=9&productId=31593 |
| 20:22:37 | BigBoss | this guy has done a few things so far hasn't he? |
| 20:22:49 | ljp | ahhh.. I'm IN the clone lab right now... decompiling tkc stuff and looking at the machine code... ;) |
| 20:23:03 | [DrEvil] | heh |
| 20:23:32 | ljp | I even think I'll be able to clone the bugs... |
| 20:23:54 | BigBoss | as long as you keep the bugs intact, then I'm happy :) |
| 20:23:58 | [DrEvil] | just going to use a hex editor and change the name? |
| 20:24:22 | warmi | heh |
| 20:24:30 | ljp | heheh ya.. except opie is one letter bigger than tkc |
| 20:24:52 | BigBoss | our salvation :) |
| 20:25:03 | ljp | naaa.. I can do opi |
| 20:25:09 | [DrEvil] | OP |
| 20:25:10 | ljp | OR opy |
| 20:25:30 | BigBoss | well I see we still have the top 5 at Handango |
| 20:25:34 | BigBoss | :) |
| 20:25:45 | ljp | thats rigged |
| 20:26:18 | [DrEvil] | they are doing it like the Scientologists sell Dianetics |
| 20:26:40 | [DrEvil] | they buy their own books and resell them to the bookstores |
| 20:26:42 | [DrEvil] | over and over |
| 20:27:35 | BigBoss | hey - that's a good idea |
| 20:27:44 | BigBoss | I should go down to Fry's and do that with our stuff they sell |
| 20:28:06 | ljp | tkc has boxed softwares? |
| 20:28:08 | Twiun | rofl |
| 20:28:10 | [DrEvil] | I heard the bookstores were getting books with their price tags already on them |
| 20:29:49 | BigBoss | too funny |
| 20:30:02 | BigBoss | ljp: we have a lot of boxed software, just not for the Zaurus |
| 20:30:04 | [DrEvil] | where the hell do I find a more complete samba implementation |
| 20:30:10 | BigBoss | but it's carried by places like Fry's and Microcenter |
| 20:30:31 | ljp | hmmm thats interesting.. shrinkwrapped and everything? |
| 20:31:11 | BigBoss | yep |
| 20:31:17 | nems | Shrinkwrapped what? I missed somethin? |
| 20:31:22 | nems | just got home. |
| 20:31:29 | BigBoss | we have Rekall, KDE Studio Gold, DocBrowser, Kivio mp, Quanta Gold, Data Architect all at stores |
| 20:31:39 | BigBoss | we should be getting Kobol out to them in a couple weeks |
| 20:31:46 | nems | is lost. |
| 20:31:51 | Gepeto_ | wweeee eee I'm lagging |
| 20:32:04 | nems | kicks nems-work |
| 20:32:17 | nems | No ones gonna answer I guess. :) |
| 20:32:30 | nems | oh well. Back to nonconstructive stuff. |
| 20:32:32 | ljp | since I own Studio Gold, can I just get the box? |
| 20:32:35 | ljp | hehehe |
| 20:32:56 | nems | Oh.. did anyone ever answer me? Whats a good wireless device for the Z? And are there wireless devices, ala connect through an access point, and wireless devices that really are wireless? |
| 20:33:25 | [DrEvil] | nems: that all depends on your needs |
| 20:33:38 | [DrEvil] | wireless is wireless |
| 20:33:46 | [DrEvil] | you have range issues |
| 20:33:47 | ljp | I sent a file to my bro's pocketpc through ir |
| 20:33:49 | [DrEvil] | and bandwith |
| 20:34:15 | nems | I dont really have any needs yet. :) And there's wireless that connects to a nearby access point plugged into a desktop, and then wireless ala palm VII? |
| 20:34:20 | nems | Isnt there? |
| 20:34:34 | [DrEvil] | there is that Proxim modem that sharp is pushing |
| 20:34:38 | nems | I dont know the technical term for the difference between the two. :) |
| 20:34:44 | [DrEvil] | you have to use their service |
| 20:34:52 | nems | Ahh.. What happened to the Aether device? |
| 20:34:59 | [DrEvil] | you can use 802.11b in AP or ad-hoc mode |
| 20:35:01 | ljp | and the modem can break pins on your Z |
| 20:35:12 | nems | Oh.. 802.11b can do either one? |
| 20:35:16 | [DrEvil] | yes |
| 20:35:23 | nems | Do you need to pick a device specific to one or the other, or do all devices do both? |
| 20:36:15 | [DrEvil] | all devices do both |
| 20:36:35 | [DrEvil] | technically all an AP is, is a PCMCIA card |
| 20:36:37 | nems | Thats good... about what price range do devices come in? And I assume AP's are seperate? |
| 20:36:49 | [DrEvil] | with a better antenna and different software |
| 20:37:00 | [DrEvil] | Aps are seperate |
| 20:37:04 | nems | Right.. we used tons of AP's at Amazon, and we had wireless pcmcia cards in the scanners. |
| 20:37:22 | Gepeto | hey nems |
| 20:37:25 | nems | Ya? |
| 20:37:27 | nems | Oh. Hey: ) |
| 20:37:29 | Gepeto | can you tell me if aliencow.com resolves to the same ip as I go? |
| 20:37:48 | nems | 64 bytes from 24.203.38.52: icmp_seq=0 ttl=45 time=79.5 ms |
| 20:38:18 | nems | [DrEvil]: So do I need a specific 802.11 device, or will any CF 802.11 device work? |
| 20:38:34 | nems | [DrEvil] : A better question is where can I read up on 802.11 devices for teh z? |
| 20:38:47 | [DrEvil] | MSpin is the expert on 802.11 |
| 20:39:16 | nems | MSpin is a person? Or a site? |
| 20:39:20 | [DrEvil] | you only need to worry about CF cards on the Z |
| 20:39:21 | Gepeto | nems: is that my IP? |
| 20:39:23 | [DrEvil] | MS_Away |
| 20:39:28 | Gepeto | nems: I can't check my ip from here (cause of router) |
| 20:39:35 | [DrEvil] | any access point should work |
| 20:39:43 | [DrEvil] | some CF cards have better range/features |
| 20:39:55 | [DrEvil] | I think there is a Wiki out there on CF cards for the Z |
| 20:39:55 | nems | Yes gepeto. |
| 20:40:01 | Twiun | Gepeto: try samspade.org - use their traceroute stuff |
| 20:40:01 | nems | Gepeto: Just do /nslookup gepeto |
| 20:40:12 | Gepeto | oh well I'll connect to my damn router ;) |
| 20:40:20 | nems | [DrEvil] : I figured any access point would work... but will any 802.11 device work? |
| 20:40:20 | Gepeto | http://192.168.0.5 (so I can click it:) |
| 20:40:31 | nems | i.e. device I stuff into the Z? |
| 20:41:00 | [DrEvil] | http://www.zauruszone.com/wiki/index.php?WirelessCardSupport |
| 20:41:23 | [DrEvil] | go there |
| 20:41:34 | [DrEvil] | I have linksys CF card |
| 20:41:42 | [DrEvil] | I have a Buffalo card on order |
| 20:41:56 | ljp | I have a wireless radio receiver! |
| 20:42:36 | nems | Sweet.. thanks :) |
| 20:42:39 | [DrEvil] | I don't know the difference between the Prism2 and the Prism2.4 |
| 20:42:41 | [DrEvil] | errr |
| 20:42:43 | [DrEvil] | Prism2.5 |
| 20:42:47 | nems | The linksys CF card works good? How much was it? |
| 20:42:52 | [DrEvil] | too much |
| 20:42:58 | [DrEvil] | it is going back when the Buffalo arrives |
| 20:43:00 | ljp | and I get FREE music all day long! |
| 20:43:44 | [DrEvil] | the Buffalo will let you use a pseudo external antenna |
| 20:44:03 | ljp | a radio card fo rhte Z would be kinda cool |
| 20:44:15 | nems | Too much as in...? :) |
| 20:44:18 | nems | how much was the buffalo? |
| 20:44:23 | [DrEvil] | $103 |
| 20:44:30 | [DrEvil] | for the buffalo |
| 20:44:36 | [DrEvil] | $129 for the Linksys |
| 20:44:37 | nems | 2Wow. |
| 20:44:40 | [DrEvil] | but that was retail |
| 20:44:40 | Neo|Work | is back (gone 00:44:56) |
| 20:44:40 | nems | Thats not bad at all. |
| 20:44:51 | nems | And thats without an AP? and an AP is free, else you have to pay for someone's service, right? |
| 20:45:00 | [DrEvil] | no |
| 20:45:14 | [DrEvil] | I have the Linksys WAP11 AP |
| 20:45:15 | nems | No to which part? :) |
| 20:45:21 | [DrEvil] | it is connected to a port on my switch |
| 20:45:43 | [DrEvil] | it just sits there and basically acts like a bridge |
| 20:45:50 | JasonNJ | greets. |
| 20:45:51 | nems | No no .. I meant using it through an AP is free, i.e. you dont have to pay someone for service, right? |
| 20:46:01 | [DrEvil] | no you don't |
| 20:46:10 | [DrEvil] | unless you are somewhere other than your own |
| 20:46:17 | BigBoss | hey jason |
| 20:46:17 | [DrEvil] | like they have internet cafes with APs |
| 20:46:23 | [DrEvil] | they might charge you |
| 20:46:23 | ljp | kergoth must be hiding |
| 20:46:25 | BigBoss | jason: did you get my email? |
| 20:46:38 | nems | Ok.. How much was the aP? |
| 20:46:47 | [DrEvil] | I got mine for $139 |
| 20:47:08 | [DrEvil] | they knocked $10 off because it was open |
| 20:47:10 | nems | ok... thanks for the info. |
| 20:47:11 | Twiun | Heya Jason |
| 20:47:29 | [DrEvil] | you can change the antennas on the Linksys |
| 20:48:08 | JasonNJ | Big I got it.. I cant reproduce the problems either. |
| 20:48:12 | JasonNJ | addressbook looks nice |
| 20:48:28 | JasonNJ | you may want to show 1 other optional field as well as teh contact name |
| 20:49:24 | BigBoss | now I've got Arnold forwarding me that calendar email too |
| 20:49:30 | BigBoss | I think the guy had something else going on |
| 20:52:58 | ljp | my cat's a debugger.. she ate a moth last night |
| 20:55:00 | [DrEvil] | but not a very good one |
| 20:55:31 | ljp | ya she crashes too much |
| 20:55:32 | ljp | and the output is stainky |
| 20:56:05 | [DrEvil] | not to mention she is not programmable |
| 20:57:01 | NetAmp | so how's the ROM update? |
| 20:57:11 | ljp | and she protests over core files |
| 20:58:05 | NetAmp | she as in zaurus, or your girlfriend, or...? ;-) |
| 20:58:18 | warmi | hehe |
| 20:58:27 | warmi | catfriend .. |
| 20:58:28 | [DrEvil] | if cats were debuggers... |
| 20:58:28 | warmi | ? |
| 20:58:32 | NetAmp | 's the master of stuupid remarks :P |
| 20:58:34 | [DrEvil] | pussy |
| 20:58:34 | ljp | heheh she as in my cat- the debugger |
| 20:58:50 | NetAmp | heh |
| 20:58:58 | [DrEvil] | ugh |
| 20:59:04 | [DrEvil] | the disco star wars theme |
| 20:59:08 | NetAmp | hah |
| 20:59:19 | [DrEvil] | I remember this song |
| 20:59:21 | [DrEvil] | *sigh* |
| 20:59:56 | [DrEvil] | I keep finding ipk files that I need like the samba stuff but I don't remember where I got them from |
| 20:59:58 | [DrEvil] | this sucks |
| 21:00:11 | NetAmp | bookmark 'em ;) |
| 21:00:21 | [DrEvil] | too little too late |
| 21:00:25 | [DrEvil] | I try to |
| 21:01:15 | [DrEvil] | someone give me a server and the bandwith and I will build the uber feed server |
| 21:02:27 | NetAmp | ;) |
| 21:02:36 | warmi | holly shit .. Strategic Assault for PocketPc has been downloaded 13148 times !!! compare that to 860 times for the Zaurus .. BB you are making products for wrong platform |
| 21:02:38 | warmi | heh |
| 21:02:50 | NetAmp | *lol* |
| 21:03:12 | NetAmp | don't say that too loud or the kompany will switch to that 3v1l platform :( |
| 21:03:13 | NetAmp | ;) |
| 21:03:33 | [DrEvil] | they'll do a Stardock Systems |
| 21:03:47 | NetAmp | Stardock is evil too |
| 21:03:56 | NetAmp | didn't they do Window Blinds? (ugh) |
| 21:04:10 | [DrEvil] | they do Object Desktop |
| 21:04:39 | NetAmp | hm... |
| 21:04:49 | [DrEvil] | Window Blinds is a component |
| 21:04:53 | warmi | then again .. Bejeweled for Palm - 139 572 downloads |
| 21:04:54 | warmi | huh |
| 21:05:07 | NetAmp | Bejeweled rocks ;) |
| 21:05:08 | [DrEvil] | ljp: clone bejeweled |
| 21:05:17 | Twiun | ibot: change 5000 GBP to USD |
| 21:05:20 | | Twiun: 5,000.00 (Pound (GBP)) makes 7,290.77 (United States Dollar (USD)) |
| 21:05:28 | NetAmp | sweet |
| 21:05:39 | NetAmp | ibot: change 5000 GBP to EUR |
| 21:05:42 | | NetAmp: 5,000.00 (Pound (GBP)) makes 7,916.95 (Euro (EUR)) |
| 21:05:50 | NetAmp | heh, even more euros :S |
| 21:06:08 | Twiun | Hehe |
| 21:06:18 | Twiun | I needed it for an AIM chat ;-) |
| 21:06:23 | NetAmp | ;) |
| 21:06:24 | Twiun | quicker than using the web |
| 21:06:36 | NetAmp | indeed I use it for that too *lol* |
| 21:06:52 | BigBoss | http://www.handango.com/PlatformProductDetail.jsp?catalog=1&jid=9D486162CE76CD7DE815D23CA4X4C7X4&productId=31617&authorId=94803§ionId=0&productType=2&siteId=1&platformId=9 |
| 21:07:18 | Neo|Work | warmi: naturally, PPC is a bigger platform |
| 21:07:26 | Neo|Work | plus SA for PPC has been out there longer |
| 21:07:30 | ljp | starts thinking of cloning for the pocketpc |
| 21:07:32 | Twiun | BigBoss: Oooer, it features colour ;-) |
| 21:07:44 | Twiun | BigBoss: Does your code add that to the Z? |
| 21:07:46 | Twiun | chuckles |
| 21:07:58 | [DrEvil] | the clone wars |
| 21:08:00 | Neo|Work | that said, it seems like being featured on myzaurus.com does nothing for my downloads or sales |
| 21:08:39 | ljp | Sharp needs to sell a million units... |
| 21:08:41 | NetAmp | ah man I need to get a Zaurus so I can run that AddressBook ;) |
| 21:08:45 | warmi | at least |
| 21:08:46 | Rince | and then? |
| 21:09:11 | NetAmp | horror scenario: and then they'll drop it and start on something new :P |
| 21:09:17 | warmi | I wonder how many units they managed to sell so far excluding 5000D |
| 21:09:21 | BigBoss | you're in the top 10 Neo |
| 21:10:00 | NetAmp | BB: is it all XML? |
| 21:10:11 | BigBoss | it uses the existing file |
| 21:10:15 | Neo|Work | Ah, always something |
| 21:10:26 | BigBoss | that way sync is preserved |
| 21:10:30 | NetAmp | :) |
| 21:10:30 | Neo|Work | btw, BB, you are killing the market with your cheap products. ;-) |
| 21:10:42 | Twiun | BigBoss: using a real xml parser or made-to-fit? |
| 21:10:49 | Neo|Work | Ah well, tkc can handle apps, I'll take care of games. :) |
| 21:11:31 | ljp | yep.. kergoths hiding |
| 21:11:44 | Neo|Work | http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=581&e=2&cid=581&u=/nm/20020520/tc_nm/media_cd_piracy_dc_1 |
| 21:11:46 | Neo|Work | hehe |
| 21:11:48 | NetAmp | you need to do a Kwacky-tamagotchi app too *lol* ;) |
| 21:11:58 | NetAmp | hiding from what? |
| 21:12:00 | NetAmp | ;) |
| 21:12:15 | BigBoss | I've started raising prices on some of the items |
| 21:12:55 | Neo|Work | damn, you're selling well. 289 calendar sales |
| 21:12:55 | Neo|Work | gesh |
| 21:13:12 | kergoth | hey all |
| 21:13:20 | NetAmp | "Maybe they'll ban markers." heh |
| 21:13:28 | BigBoss | downloads is not sales |
| 21:13:29 | BigBoss | I wish it was |
| 21:13:40 | Neo|Work | but you don't have demos, do you? |
| 21:13:52 | Neo|Work | or ppl download more than once? |
| 21:14:01 | ljp | once you buy you can dl updates |
| 21:14:03 | warmi | updates |
| 21:14:10 | warmi | etc |
| 21:14:15 | BigBoss | you can download as much as you want |
| 21:14:30 | BigBoss | stupid cd copy protection |
| 21:14:34 | Neo|Work | so they do handle update downloads? |
| 21:14:40 | Neo|Work | how does that work (people have asked) |
| 21:14:43 | BigBoss | sell music CD's for $9.95 like they should, and no one will copy them |
| 21:14:52 | Neo|Work | BigBoss: yeah |
| 21:14:55 | BigBoss | they just log on their account and re-download |
| 21:15:02 | Neo|Work | ok, cool |
| 21:15:24 | Neo|Work | perhaps I should lower some prices |
| 21:15:25 | kergoth | Anyone want the updated v2.2 kismet package? |
| 21:15:38 | nyargh | sure |
| 21:15:40 | [DrEvil] | is it newer than the one on their site? |
| 21:15:41 | kergoth | JasonNJ: ping |
| 21:15:43 | nyargh | me me me |
| 21:16:10 | [DrEvil] | kismet_2.2_pcap.ipk |
| 21:16:15 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: same rev as the ones on their site as of may 17th |
| 21:16:19 | warmi | it is the size of market |
| 21:16:20 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: nothing special |
| 21:16:22 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: heh |
| 21:16:28 | kergoth | JasonNJ: ping |
| 21:16:32 | Neo|Work | is away: afk for a short while |
| 21:16:38 | warmi | Neo|Work: it is not your prices but small market |
| 21:17:25 | kergoth | nyargh: http://www.kismetwireless.net/code/kismet-zaurus-arm-2.2.tar.gz # grab theirs for now. I'll be adding scripts to put the socket/symbol card into and out of monitoring mode and releasing an ipk of my own shortly |
| 21:17:31 | NetAmp | gotta go.. have to leave home for college at 07:45am :S |
| 21:17:32 | NetAmp | bbl |
| 21:17:37 | kergoth | ljp: man, did you leave me enough botmail messages? ;-) |
| 21:17:57 | ljp | hehehe.. |
| 21:18:04 | nyargh | cool |
| 21:18:10 | ljp | god, you shoulda been here this weekend! |
| 21:18:26 | nyargh | how well does the socket/symbol card work w/ kismet? |
| 21:18:43 | kergoth | ljp: whys that |
| 21:19:03 | kergoth | nyargh: kismet doesnt have scripts for putting it into or out of monitoring mode, and doesnt have a daemon for channel hopping.. other than that, with pcap, it works fine |
| 21:19:03 | ljp | lots of new users |
| 21:19:07 | kergoth | ljp: ah.... |
| 21:19:39 | [DrEvil] | it does have scripts for the Prism2 though |
| 21:19:53 | ljp | and it looks like some people peopple are still trying oz 2.7 |
| 21:19:56 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: yes, they're wlan-ng specific |
| 21:20:09 | kergoth | ljp: i'll hide every release but beta10 when i release it in a few minutes. i'm doing the final test flash now. |
| 21:20:33 | Neo|Work | warmi: well, that too, but lower prices might still help |
| 21:20:44 | Neo|Work | at least for Eligo. I think $9.99 might be reasonable |
| 21:21:29 | kergoth | ljp: did mark ever get around to doing the popen->Process in oipkg? we need to get oipkg fixed. heh. |
| 21:21:36 | Neo|Work | Argentum seems awefully cool |
| 21:21:44 | kergoth | argentum? |
| 21:21:55 | warmi | Eligo yeah .. but not for SA |
| 21:21:59 | Neo|Work | is back (gone 00:05:27) |
| 21:22:14 | ljp | kergoth: not yet.. he's going to have to port QProcess, because Process doesn't have stdout |
| 21:22:22 | kergoth | ljp: errr |
| 21:22:27 | warmi | seriously Neo: if you want to make money look into porting your games to Palm OS |
| 21:22:28 | kergoth | ljp: ProcessPrivate does, doesnt it? |
| 21:22:38 | ljp | hmmm... |
| 21:23:21 | Neo|Work | warmi: Oh, I know. Too busy right now though. :P |
| 21:23:22 | kergoth | ljp: if you derive a class from Process you're in the space to access the private ProcessPrivate pointer. I believe you have access to it from that class. but I havent actually done it to confirm |
| 21:23:28 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:23:34 | kergoth | ugh i need more caffeine.. i'm still not awake |
| 21:23:41 | Neo|Work | kergoth: check handango. RTS for PPC |
| 21:23:50 | kergoth | Neo|Work: ahh.. |
| 21:24:02 | Neo|Work | warmi: don't for one second believe I don't know how small of a market the PPC is. :) |
| 21:24:12 | Neo|Work | btw, someone good with gfx here who wants to work with me on a puzzle game? |
| 21:24:16 | Neo|Work | woops |
| 21:24:21 | Neo|Work | s/PPC/Zaurus+Qtopia/ |
| 21:24:25 | ljp | ya looks like private does |
| 21:24:27 | Neo|Work | PPC is smallish but much larger |
| 21:24:33 | kergoth | yeah thought so |
| 21:25:02 | kergoth | so it shouldnt be a problem to use it instead.. as a matter of fact, our more useful derived class could easily be included in libopie. |
| 21:25:14 | ljp | QSocketNotifier |
| 21:25:15 | kergoth | until we hit qt3 anyway |
| 21:25:16 | warmi | Neo|Work: at thought you had a graphic guy |
| 21:25:18 | kergoth | ljp: yep |
| 21:25:19 | Neo|Work | warmi: and btw, at this moment this is more about exposure, experience and well, fun |
| 21:25:32 | warmi | Neo|Work: yeah, same for me .. mostly for fun |
| 21:25:34 | Neo|Work | warmi: well. I did for Eligo. however he's not interested in another puzzle. :P |
| 21:25:49 | Neo|Work | and ][N-Flux hasn't produced anything. :P |
| 21:26:00 | warmi | not enough sales ? |
| 21:26:14 | Neo|Work | that game is engineered to work on PalmOS, Qtopia and SDL relatively easily though |
| 21:26:18 | BigBoss | we've got another game coming out soon |
| 21:26:21 | warmi | or just doesn't like Puzzle style games ? |
| 21:26:28 | Neo|Work | warmi: yah. plus I never finished the desktop version |
| 21:26:43 | warmi | BB: what is that ? ljp doesn't clone games so you are free to reveal it |
| 21:26:44 | warmi | heh |
| 21:26:47 | Neo|Work | BigBoss: no no, you are not allowed to make games. ;-) |
| 21:27:52 | ljp | starts up the games clone lab electrifier |
| 21:28:04 | [DrEvil] | clonelib |
| 21:28:08 | [DrEvil] | makes cloning simple |
| 21:28:30 | ljp | ahhh -lclonelib |
| 21:29:13 | warmi | herhehe |
| 21:29:21 | Neo|Work | I have 2 games coming out "soon" I think |
| 21:29:22 | BigBoss | one of our first apps was a game |
| 21:29:39 | Neo|Work | BigBoss: I know about Mahjong, yes |
| 21:29:43 | ljp | my first Z app was a game port |
| 21:29:45 | BigBoss | and then I've got 2 or 3 other games we are going to do, and that will probably be it |
| 21:30:03 | ljp | I ported tictactoe from the qt examples |
| 21:30:14 | BigBoss | what we've got is basically Pole Position. the Z layout is perfect for it, and my wife loves driving games, so I decided to do it |
| 21:30:17 | warmi | ported ? |
| 21:30:18 | warmi | hehe |
| 21:30:26 | Neo|Work | BigBoss: never heard of it |
| 21:30:27 | BigBoss | it's all original |
| 21:30:42 | BigBoss | Pole Position is a classic arcade game - the first style driving games |
| 21:30:51 | BigBoss | you look at it from straight above and drive a course. |
| 21:30:52 | warmi | there you go ... great choice ... I am sure there are tons of old Atari games fanatic around |
| 21:30:54 | ljp | ya ported.. took about two lines.. but I did it all myself |
| 21:31:08 | [DrEvil] | and now you are the clone master |
| 21:31:28 | warmi | Neo|Work: come on ... you are not that young .. PP was ported to just about ever home computer out there |
| 21:31:32 | warmi | hehe |
| 21:31:34 | BigBoss | well the guy who did the race maps is in Romania, and the programmer is in Russia. neither have ever seen pole position :) |
| 21:31:45 | Neo|Work | warmi: might have seen it but I don't remember it by name |
| 21:31:52 | [DrEvil] | get Croateam to write a game |
| 21:32:07 | warmi | http://www.yesterdayland.com/popopedia/shows/arcade/ag1105.php |
| 21:32:29 | Neo|Work | warmi: ah, I recognise it |
| 21:32:43 | warmi | DrEvil: hehe .. Serious Zaurus |
| 21:32:44 | ljp | ya and thanks to clonelib.. my cloning operations are full steam ahead! |
| 21:32:45 | Neo|Work | I am sure I've played it somewhere, arcade or not |
| 21:33:11 | [DrEvil] | Serious Sam rocks |
| 21:33:30 | Neo|Work | BigBoss: there is a game like that for PalmOS. :P |
| 21:35:10 | BigBoss | ours is the straight down view, not the behind the car view |
| 21:35:46 | [DrEvil] | how about Gran Turismo |
| 21:36:05 | nems | 11GT for the Z would be great :) |
| 21:36:07 | warmi | DrEvl: come on this thing doesn't even have FPU , not to mention accelerated GPU |
| 21:36:09 | warmi | ehe |
| 21:36:10 | nems | hell.. I'd help on that one :) |
| 21:36:15 | nems | GT wasnt that great on graphics... |
| 21:36:27 | nems | It wasnt until GT2 that they really splurged. |
| 21:36:36 | [DrEvil] | GT3A is nice |
| 21:36:39 | nems | Personally I want to see Grand Theft Auto playable over ir or 802.11 ;) |
| 21:37:49 | [DrEvil] | my clie had hardware accelerated video |
| 21:38:10 | kergoth | for those who are interested: http://geezer.umgllc.net/kergoth/initrd-oz3b10.bin .. uploading to SF atm. |
| 21:39:13 | ljp | goes to clone oz3b10, and then realizes he doesnt need too |
| 21:39:26 | kergoth | :-) |
| 21:41:25 | Twiun | quick question... anyone know how I can prevent a process from being swapped to disk when it's inactive? |
| 21:42:26 | nems | kergoth! |
| 21:42:27 | damncable | ah |
| 21:42:30 | damncable | kergoth! |
| 21:42:32 | nems | Just the person I've been lookin for forever. |
| 21:42:38 | nems | Well... like a day. |
| 21:42:57 | Fatbum | some1 know why i cant sync? using qtopia dekstop |
| 21:43:04 | Fatbum | does it not work with opie? |
| 21:43:07 | nems | Fatbum : try rebooting? Or hitting the sync key? |
| 21:43:09 | nems | It does . |
| 21:43:17 | nems | QTopia Desktop is a notoriously picky program though. |
| 21:43:22 | Fatbum | ive rebooted twice, syndc key a billion times |
| 21:43:32 | nems | can you ping it? |
| 21:43:34 | nems | from the command line? |
| 21:44:03 | nems | Hey kergoth ... how come '/' is mounted to the 14 meg rom, and /mnt/ram is the 32 meg partition? |
| 21:45:07 | kergoth | nems: hmm? because flash is writable. Why would it be otherwise? |
| 21:45:25 | kergoth | brb, uploading release notes for b10 |
| 21:45:26 | Fatbum | i cant ping |
| 21:46:09 | JasonNJ | kergoth: |
| 21:46:27 | JasonNJ | the Contacts icon is busted in the opie release in pre10 |
| 21:46:39 | Fatbum | mines not |
| 21:46:55 | JasonNJ | also, how come so much mtdram is being used on a fresh system? |
| 21:47:11 | kergoth | JasonNJ: mtdram is empty. sysinfo is showing incorrect information |
| 21:47:18 | JasonNJ | thats wackd |
| 21:47:26 | kergoth | JasonNJ: the icon is fine here.. also, i just released b10 nonpre |
| 21:47:32 | JasonNJ | ok |
| 21:47:35 | JasonNJ | let me flash |
| 21:47:37 | kergoth | JasonNJ: its b10pre + wlansetup that actually works with wireless.opts |
| 21:47:39 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:48:42 | kergoth | okay the README and release notes are updated |
| 21:48:43 | kergoth | hey hunger |
| 21:48:56 | JasonNJ | also see if you can get the new konqueror build up |
| 21:49:07 | JasonNJ | there is a new one in the opie stuff for company |
| 21:49:09 | kergoth | JasonNJ: is there a new ipk? or should i build from current cvs? |
| 21:49:11 | JasonNJ | compaq |
| 21:49:14 | kergoth | JasonNJ: ah, k |
| 21:49:25 | JasonNJ | we shoudl probably build a specific one |
| 21:49:32 | JasonNJ | and make it install properly |
| 21:49:38 | JasonNJ | insted of having to force dependencies |
| 21:49:46 | kergoth | indeed. its on the todo list. I'll fix the Dependencies as a quick solution tho |
| 21:50:37 | kergoth | ljp: all previous openzaurus versions in file releases are now hidden, so hopefully that should reduce the number of people flashing old revisions |
| 21:51:06 | nems | kergoth : only because 14 megs seems awfully small for / .. thats all. I ended up symlinking /opt to /mnt/ram/opt anyways. |
| 21:51:13 | nems | and symlinking /usr/local/ to /mnt/ram/usr/local |
| 21:51:46 | nems | I had problems with 9.6 loading modules correctly too.. I dont know if that helps or if I should stop bugging you :) |
| 21:51:51 | kergoth | nems: if you mount the ramdisk as root you'll have to extract the base filesystem from rom anyways, thereby removing anything we gain by having writable falsh. |
| 21:51:59 | kergoth | s/removing anything/removing any benefits/ |
| 21:52:36 | kergoth | nems: for if you extract the filesystem from rom you're storing that information twice, both on rom and in ram. pointless waste of space. |
| 21:52:40 | nems | Right... I understand that... Thats why I didnt remount it as root and just symlinked stuff... |
| 21:52:53 | nems | that way I had more room to install in /usr/bin, and /home |
| 21:53:03 | nems | And I dont double up on stuff. |
| 21:53:10 | kergoth | nems: why not just install apps to mtdram? |
| 21:53:16 | kergoth | nems: i dont see what the problem is. |
| 21:53:38 | kergoth | nems: i"ll be changing the default install destination for oipkg when i have a chance to reduce the number of people filling up their flash inadvertantly |
| 21:53:41 | nems | I dunno. I'm weird. I look an orderly file system so I install everyinth to /usr/local :) |
| 21:53:52 | nems | Thats why I had a problem to begin with ;) |
| 21:53:58 | nems | is I accidentally filled up / |
| 21:54:09 | kergoth | yep, change the default install destination for oipkg to /mnt/ram |
| 21:54:11 | nems | It comes frmo years of linux experience... |
| 21:54:15 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:54:22 | nems | and bad typing ;p |
| 21:54:30 | nems | So what other must haves go with OZ? |
| 21:54:37 | nems | I'm looking for functionality or toys. :) I'm not picky. |
| 21:54:54 | kergoth | if anything else was a must, it'd be included. but there are nifty things. just take a look at the opie applications in the feed, really. |
| 21:55:25 | Fatbum | no syncing |
| 21:55:27 | nems | I was just looking for user suggestions. ;) |
| 21:55:30 | Fatbum | cant ping from either device |
| 21:55:33 | nems | Fatbum : I dunno man.. can yo ping it? Hmm. |
| 21:55:35 | kergoth | I want to precache the feed package information into the rom, so that people see a list of the packages available even if they havent updated from the feed and/or dont have net access from their Z's.. to give people an idea of whats available. |
| 21:55:36 | nems | Thats the problem. |
| 21:55:46 | nems | kergoth : that would be -really- nice. |
| 21:55:49 | Fatbum | yeah |
| 21:55:57 | nems | kergoth : while you're at it, toss the ethernet usb howto in docs? |
| 21:56:02 | kergoth | The problem is I dont think ipkg easily lets me do that. I've already reported the lacking functionality to Carl Worth.. we'll see what comes of it |
| 21:56:16 | nems | wait.... why wouldnt ipkg let you do that? |
| 21:56:24 | nems | The cache is just a txt file named Package isnt it? |
| 21:59:48 | Fatbum | any1 know setup for win2k on syncing? |
| 22:02:47 | JasonNJ | kergoth: do we have a list of stuff thats installed by default? |
| 22:02:55 | JasonNJ | as in qtopia and console mode apps in oz? |
| 22:03:06 | kergoth | JasonNJ: yes, I have the list. Want me to document it? |
| 22:03:11 | JasonNJ | yes |
| 22:03:17 | kergoth | K. in README? |
| 22:03:25 | JasonNJ | also I noticed ben's server manager doesnt work with OZ |
| 22:03:28 | JasonNJ | the ssh peice |
| 22:03:32 | JasonNJ | not sure about the telnet |
| 22:03:41 | kergoth | ssh isnt controlled from inetd.conf in oz... |
| 22:03:49 | kergoth | in.telnetd isnt installed in oz, so that wont work. |
| 22:03:51 | Fatbum | ack |
| 22:03:53 | Fatbum | why ! |
| 22:03:54 | kergoth | I'll take a look at it though |
| 22:03:56 | kergoth | hm? |
| 22:04:07 | kergoth | why would we include in.telnetd when sshd is installed and running out of the box? |
| 22:04:14 | JasonNJ | lets figure out a way to configure ssh |
| 22:04:16 | JasonNJ | the keys |
| 22:04:23 | JasonNJ | via qtopia |
| 22:04:31 | kergoth | JasonNJ: ssh client or server? |
| 22:04:32 | JasonNJ | maybe a dumb little keygen and enable app |
| 22:04:34 | JasonNJ | server |
| 22:04:54 | Fatbum | any1 know how to telnet into my z? |
| 22:04:58 | Fatbum | or get it working one of those |
| 22:07:55 | [DrEvil] | I can telnet or ssh into mine |
| 22:08:07 | Fatbum | good |
| 22:08:12 | Fatbum | that helps me fix it |
| 22:08:33 | [DrEvil] | are you running the Sharp rom? |
| 22:08:36 | Fatbum | no |
| 22:08:44 | [DrEvil] | ahh |
| 22:08:49 | [DrEvil] | can't help you then |
| 22:09:58 | nems | [DrEvil] : ok.. first of all, if you cant ping it, there's something wrong.. you running a linux or windows box/ |
| 22:10:00 | nems | oops. |
| 22:10:03 | nems | That was to Fatbum |
| 22:10:10 | Fatbum | win2kpro |
| 22:10:13 | nems | Hrm. |
| 22:10:15 | Fatbum | is ashamed |
| 22:10:15 | [DrEvil] | grrr |
| 22:10:16 | Fatbum | i know |
| 22:10:31 | nems | I really cant' help you to be honest. I dont know anything about windows except win98 is great to play games. |
| 22:10:34 | Fatbum | if ive said it once ive said a million times i cant find my linux hd |
| 22:12:01 | [DrEvil] | is there a ZIP interpeter for the Z? |
| 22:13:07 | Fatbum | i ported pkunzip |
| 22:13:13 | [DrEvil] | let's see who knows what I am talking about |
| 22:13:24 | Fatbum | no i didnt |
| 22:13:26 | Fatbum | im stupid |
| 22:14:20 | [DrEvil] | fat bastard |
| 22:14:36 | Fatbum | what nigger |
| 22:14:48 | [DrEvil] | heh |
| 22:15:02 | [DrEvil] | zip is the name of the format used in those old Infocom text adventures |
| 22:15:32 | Fatbum | we'll see about that |
| 22:15:38 | Fatbum | flashin the sharp rom |
| 22:15:38 | kergoth | JasonNJ: the key is generated and the server enabled out of the box for sshd.. |
| 22:15:41 | Fatbum | makin some copies |
| 22:16:21 | Fatbum | id have debian if my cable modem werked better |
| 22:16:25 | Fatbum | its too unreliable |
| 22:16:46 | Fatbum | i cant afford to have it sitting on net-install for days, just cuz cable service is out |
| 22:17:08 | JasonNJ | oipkg is behaving pretty decently |
| 22:17:13 | Fatbum | so how do i make my own rom with opie? |
| 22:17:14 | JasonNJ | the interface still sucks |
| 22:17:18 | kergoth | JasonNJ: agreed. |
| 22:17:31 | Fatbum | and i cant install multiple packages... |
| 22:17:35 | nems | kergoth : But it doesnt run sshd on startup...? does it? |
| 22:17:40 | Fatbum | its just a pain to go find each one every time |
| 22:17:49 | kergoth | nems: yes, it should be. |
| 22:18:03 | nems | Hmm.. i thought I had to add mine manually... I've flashed so many times I could be wrong though. |
| 22:18:15 | kergoth | hmm |
| 22:18:23 | JasonNJ | the enable/disable server thing in oipkg is still botched |
| 22:18:44 | JasonNJ | I tried to add some new feeds and disable the builtin ones, tehy didnt work with the pre10 |
| 22:20:56 | whardier | I just bought some ultra cool bubbles at Hot Topic |
| 22:21:03 | nems | Bubbles? |
| 22:21:05 | whardier | they stick to things.. mostly cats |
| 22:21:13 | nems | Heh.. they have those at our local comic store. |
| 22:21:23 | whardier | they rule |
| 22:21:28 | whardier | my damn house is covered in bubbles |
| 22:21:32 | whardier | and they will not go away |
| 22:21:39 | Fatbum | bubbles? |
| 22:21:49 | nems | lol |
| 22:21:58 | whardier | my cats are rolling around in bubbles.. and chasing them and getting scared then running into another patch of bubbles and flipping a lid |
| 22:22:27 | Fatbum | bubbles? |
| 22:22:29 | nems | The best cat toy is a laser pointer. |
| 22:22:48 | nems | So what's a good way to learn to program in QT? I assume thats the best route to go before trying to program for the zaurus? |
| 22:22:54 | Neo|Work | some day I will see if a laser pointer also works as a baby toy |
| 22:23:07 | Neo|Work | they seem to share a lot when it comes to toy preferences |
| 22:23:08 | Fatbum | oh god no |
| 22:23:10 | nems | gotta have a baby for that. :) |
| 22:23:20 | Neo|Work | I got two of those. :P |
| 22:23:27 | Fatbum | i can see the little kid going blind now |
| 22:23:38 | Neo|Work | Fatbum: might be a good thing to avoid eyes, yes |
| 22:23:39 | Fatbum | so can you use opie on the sharp rom? |
| 22:28:20 | Fatbum | is away |
| 22:31:00 | kergoth | yawns |
| 22:31:13 | JasonNJ | aw crap |
| 22:31:17 | kergoth | JasonNJ: ? |
| 22:31:28 | JasonNJ | damn ipkg aborted in the middle of a package install and half installed stuff |
| 22:31:34 | kergoth | ack |
| 22:31:34 | JasonNJ | cause it ran out of space on the rom |
| 22:31:52 | kergoth | ipkg sucks for that. it really needs to recover more gracefully. |
| 22:31:54 | JasonNJ | now it thinks stuff like drawpad isnt installed |
| 22:32:03 | JasonNJ | and some files are missing |
| 22:32:10 | JasonNJ | I pulled out konq and freed up space |
| 22:32:17 | JasonNJ | but now it wont let me overwrite drawpad |
| 22:32:23 | kergoth | do a ipkg install -force-reinstall opie-drawpad |
| 22:32:31 | whardier | I never got laid in Hawaii |
| 22:32:34 | kergoth | or check -force-reinstall in oipkg |
| 22:32:36 | kergoth | whardier: liar |
| 22:32:42 | whardier | I didn't! |
| 22:32:47 | JasonNJ | in opikg it dont work |
| 22:32:48 | JasonNJ | get errors |
| 22:33:01 | kergoth | JasonNJ: hm, try the -force-reinstall from the prompt, assumign you're installing to flash |
| 22:34:22 | JasonNJ | nah it errors out |
| 22:34:38 | JasonNJ | says that certain files are already installed and files are provided by <package> |
| 22:34:42 | JasonNJ | dammit |
| 22:34:44 | kergoth | ah shit |
| 22:34:45 | JasonNJ | re-flash |
| 22:34:46 | nems | Bleh |
| 22:34:48 | nems | That sucks |
| 22:34:50 | kergoth | you'll have to delete those files |
| 22:34:57 | kergoth | because ipkg doesnt have a -force-overwrite |
| 22:34:58 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:34:58 | nems | So anyone know of a good tutorial for learning to program for QT? |
| 22:35:01 | JasonNJ | I have no idea what else it screwed up |
| 22:35:07 | kergoth | nems: http://doc.trolltech.com/ |
| 22:35:07 | JasonNJ | I installed a whole lot of ipkgs |
| 22:35:23 | JasonNJ | I'll play with it tomorrow |
| 22:35:28 | JasonNJ | time for me to go home |
| 22:35:39 | kergoth | JasonNJ: cool, ttyl. |
| 22:37:01 | Neo|Work | JasonNJ: so I heard TT will announce winners soon? |
| 22:39:20 | whardier | anybody played with ad-hoc routing yet? |
| 22:42:58 | nems | 1What is ad-hoc routing? |
| 22:43:06 | | i haven't a clue, nems |
| 22:43:06 | nems | ibot, ad-hoc routing? |
| 22:43:40 | nems | whardier : what is it? |
| 22:44:09 | [DrEvil] | ad-hoc as in 802.11? |
| 22:45:50 | kergoth | whardier: whats that adhoc routing module again? |
| 22:49:21 | hunger | kergoth: Hi there! |
| 22:49:31 | hunger | kergoth: Any fixes I need to test? :-) |
| 22:50:12 | kergoth | hunger: let me update the feed first... just released b10, but feed isnt synced yet |
| 22:50:20 | kergoth | re ljp |
| 22:50:28 | nasa | beta10 is out? |
| 22:50:31 | kergoth | yep |
| 22:50:41 | kergoth | its on SF as well as geezer |
| 22:51:15 | nasa | kergoth: I wanted to mention to you some stability problems I have had using the prerelease... |
| 22:51:22 | kergoth | nasa: regarding..? |
| 22:51:35 | kergoth | nasa: elaborate.. I havent pounded it enough yet. |
| 22:51:40 | nasa | Specifically, programs fail to start |
| 22:51:46 | kergoth | hm |
| 22:51:48 | nasa | And resume/shutdown |
| 22:51:50 | kergoth | when? random? |
| 22:51:55 | hunger | kergoth: Congratulations! |
| 22:52:43 | kergoth | hunger: thanks. found a bug in the updatercd script which prevented startup scripts being created under certain circumstances. resulted in sshd not being started on bootup out of the box. fixed. |
| 22:53:10 | nasa | As far as the programs go -- it's very random. Certain times the program will start, other times I will get the hour glass and then the hour glass goes away and I wait and wait -- and nothing. And even other times the program will cause qpe to lock up |
| 22:53:23 | kergoth | nasa: hmm. |
| 22:53:36 | kergoth | nasa: any particular apps that see this more often than others? |
| 22:53:46 | kergoth | nasa: or is it accross them all? |
| 22:54:09 | nasa | It doesn't ever happen with the calander app |
| 22:54:14 | kergoth | odd. |
| 22:54:29 | nasa | hold on why I check it other programs.... |
| 22:54:31 | kergoth | nasa: next time this occurs, can you try running the app from embeddedkonsole for debugging? |
| 22:54:34 | kergoth | k |
| 22:55:11 | ljp | I've noticed embeddedkonsole wont start up every third or forth time |
| 22:55:21 | kergoth | ljp: yes I've seen that too. odd. |
| 22:55:28 | nasa | I have done that -- specifically, I tried konquer. Sometimes it starts, other times it doesn't. When it doesn't I get nothing... |
| 22:55:30 | kergoth | havent seen it with any other app |
| 22:55:36 | kergoth | nasa: hm |
| 22:56:18 | kergoth | nasa: is this bound to apps installed to mtdram or to apps installed to flash, or random accross them all? |
| 22:56:29 | kergoth | need to find the patterns damnit |
| 22:56:30 | kergoth | hehh |
| 22:56:45 | nasa | well, I install everything on to my sdcard |
| 22:57:03 | nasa | of course the calander is not on my sdcard |
| 22:57:19 | kergoth | once an app exhibits this behavior, what do you have to do to make it behave? reboot? uninstall/reinstall? what? |
| 22:57:31 | kergoth | do the other apps not on your SD card exhibit this behavior? |
| 22:57:32 | nasa | reboot (maybe) |
| 22:58:08 | nasa | hmm. I have to check. Besides calander, what programs come with the rom? |
| 22:58:14 | kergoth | reboot? or restart opie? |
| 22:58:31 | nasa | reboot |
| 22:58:32 | kergoth | addressbook, todo, datebook, appearance, security, sysinfo, filebrowser, embeddedkonsole, etc |
| 22:59:12 | kergoth | nasa: do you have any apps doing this right now? I'd like to be talking to you when this occurs at some point. |
| 22:59:16 | nasa | Ok, a live example. Froot failed to start. It's the third case. |
| 22:59:33 | kergoth | okay, run from embeddedkonsole first |
| 22:59:55 | nasa | hold on sec. I have to describe this and then reboot. |
| 23:00:05 | kergoth | why reboot? |
| 23:00:09 | kergoth | k |
| 23:00:20 | nasa | Froot is pressed, then it is highlighted (no hour glass). Qpe is frozen. |
| 23:00:39 | kergoth | do you have network connectivity through usb or pcmcia? |
| 23:00:48 | nasa | sure do, hold on |
| 23:00:55 | kergoth | k |
| 23:01:50 | nasa | I am in -- I did a "ps aux" and look for things odd. I find this: 395 root 11148 D /opt/QtPalmtop/bin/qpe |
| 23:02:01 | nasa | notice the D |
| 23:02:23 | nasa | also dead are swapper an dkupdated |
| 23:02:28 | kergoth | hmm |
| 23:02:33 | nasa | also dead are swapper and kupdated |
| 23:02:33 | kergoth | strange |
| 23:02:49 | nasa | oh, I can't "kill -9 them" |
| 23:02:55 | kergoth | hmm |
| 23:02:59 | kergoth | D uninterruptible sleep (usually IO) |
| 23:03:02 | kergoth | odd |
| 23:03:15 | kergoth | nasa: is froot running? |
| 23:03:19 | nasa | ok, rebooting Z now. |
| 23:03:24 | nasa | no |
| 23:03:27 | kergoth | k |
| 23:05:23 | kergoth | weird. I wish we could guarantee that an execution of an app would do this prior to running it. |
| 23:05:54 | nasa | ok, back. Z is up and running. I started froot from a terminal. It is running fine. |
| 23:05:59 | kergoth | hmm |
| 23:06:06 | kergoth | and if you run froot from the launcher now? |
| 23:06:25 | nasa | it works fine |
| 23:06:35 | kergoth | gah |
| 23:06:41 | kergoth | damn random unpredictable bugs |
| 23:06:44 | kergoth | i hate those |
| 23:06:45 | nasa | I know... |
| 23:06:59 | kergoth | we need gdb |
| 23:07:14 | kergoth | we need to attach to the launcher process when you run an app that hangs |
| 23:07:15 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:07:28 | kergoth | well i'll see if i can reproduce on my unit |
| 23:07:33 | kergoth | nasa: you're on a 5000d or a 5500? |
| 23:07:43 | kergoth | nasa: and you're running everything off sd right? |
| 23:07:45 | nasa | it seems like I get the odd ball errors... |
| 23:07:50 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:07:54 | nasa | Yes, sure am. |
| 23:07:57 | tux_mike | lol. i got so interested in the google doodle, i forgot what i was gonna search for |
| 23:08:07 | kergoth | tux_mike: hah |
| 23:08:20 | nasa | Oh, one other thing. I have a lot of apps installed. |
| 23:08:27 | kergoth | nasa: so 5000 or 5500? I want to get as close an environment to you as possible |
| 23:08:34 | nasa | 5000D |
| 23:08:34 | kergoth | nasa: what percentage of the space on the sd card is full right now? |
| 23:08:50 | whardier | I like seeing the 5500 at OfficeDepot |
| 23:08:50 | whardier | heh |
| 23:09:05 | kergoth | nasa: I really really hope this isnt a fucked up sd/mmc driver bug. because I cant debug a damn closed source driver.. heh |
| 23:09:08 | nasa | 40659 out of 58977 |
| 23:09:15 | kergoth | nasa: k. i'll see if i can reproduce |
| 23:09:18 | nasa | is used.. |
| 23:09:37 | kergoth | nasa: how much free space on flash? and how much ram is available immediately after bootup with opie running? |
| 23:10:16 | kergoth | too bad I dont have a sd card eh |
| 23:10:46 | nasa | Z has jffrs2 14464 Kb free |
| 23:11:00 | nasa | Z has /mnt/ram 6076 Kb free |
| 23:11:44 | nasa | did I loose everyone? |
| 23:11:51 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:12:13 | nasa | I got a parse error putting in jffrs2... |
| 23:12:24 | kergoth | ah |
| 23:13:59 | nasa | I was thinking of your earlier question. oipkg and even terminal have shown the same problems. |
| 23:14:56 | nasa | Also after I got to certain number of apps (not sure how many) I started noticing oipkg having more and more problems.... |
| 23:15:54 | nasa | And to give the coupe de grais, when the z goes into sleep mode (3/4 of the time) qpe dies. |
| 23:16:51 | ljp | fs corruption? |
| 23:17:36 | ljp | it took me three installs of pre10 to get it to even boot into opie |
| 23:18:08 | kergoth | er |
| 23:18:12 | kergoth | every flash of it works here |
| 23:18:15 | kergoth | odd |
| 23:18:24 | kergoth | ljp: when it didnt boot into opie, what happened? |
| 23:19:22 | kergoth | damn weird ass bugs |
| 23:20:21 | ljp | hmm.. let me remember the errors.. |
| 23:21:10 | kergoth | I cant debug this shit without information people. :-P |
| 23:21:39 | nasa | what else can I get for you? |
| 23:21:59 | ljp | oh ya couldnt find module sometherother.. and 8859-1 |
| 23:22:06 | kergoth | nasa: I think I've got enough from you actually. I cant do much more on that problem without being able to attach a gdb to the launcher. |
| 23:23:24 | kergoth | ljp: sounds like fs corruption alright. either a fucked up rom, or ya didnt full reset so its seeing corruption trying to handle the mtdblock6 |
| 23:23:56 | ljp | ya.. |
| 23:24:34 | ljp | not sure what to make of it.. third times a charm.. ;) |
| 23:24:40 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:24:41 | kergoth | hmm |
| 23:25:38 | ljp | a couple other people were also having problems with bad installs |
| 23:25:43 | kergoth | weird |
| 23:25:59 | kergoth | I'll do further testing with the 5000d with the broken touchscreen |
| 23:26:09 | ljp | nems installed every rom he could find, and finally got a good pre 10 install |
| 23:26:20 | kergoth | since i havent seen any failures on my 5500 |
| 23:26:22 | kergoth | hmm |
| 23:26:26 | kergoth | well I'm glad i removed all the old versions |
| 23:26:27 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:26:35 | ljp | thank you |
| 23:26:47 | nasa | oh one more note: I noticed that the paul like rom doesn't work. Period. |
| 23:26:58 | kergoth | nasa: paul like rom? |
| 23:27:25 | nasa | zimages that gives all memory to the Z |
| 23:27:32 | kergoth | dont call a zImage a rom please |
| 23:27:38 | kergoth | a rom is a romimage.. it adds confusion |
| 23:27:52 | nasa | sorry (nasa head is down in shame).... |
| 23:27:55 | kergoth | I'll do some further testing with the nomtdram kernel when i get home, and get back to you on that |
| 23:27:57 | kergoth | hehe, np |
| 23:28:43 | kergoth | checks todo list |
| 23:29:06 | ljp | makes note not to call initrd.bin or zImage a rom... |
| 23:29:09 | kergoth | track down odd qpe hang bug with sd installs, track down intermittant flash filesystem corruption, test nomtdram on 5500 and 5000 |
| 23:29:21 | nasa | just to add to your todo list (somewhere near the bottom) could you fix the stupid documents tab? |
| 23:29:30 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:29:36 | kergoth | its a bit more sane now with mediummountgui |
| 23:29:39 | ljp | documents tab? |
| 23:30:04 | kergoth | I think he's referring to the documents scanning code picking up files that are in /opt/QtPalmtop on a sd/cf card. |
| 23:30:13 | kergoth | i.e. images in /mnt/card/opt/QtPalmtop/pics/ |
| 23:30:26 | nasa | ljp: apps are showing up in the documents tab (installed on the sd card) |
| 23:30:32 | kergoth | yeh |
| 23:31:25 | nasa | dinner, be back in a bit... |
| 23:31:49 | kergoth | k |
| 23:34:40 | kergoth | goin home |
| 23:40:41 | BigBoss | http://www.thekompany.com/embedded/tkcaddressbook/ |
| 23:43:12 | Twiun | Looks good |
| 23:46:57 | Neo|Work | BigBoss: so has microsoft approached you yet about using the WinXP look? :) |
| 23:47:12 | Twiun | rofl |
| 23:47:46 | BigBoss | yea, they like how we did it better :) |
| 23:47:55 | BigBoss | it's just a theme for goodness sakes |
| 23:48:25 | BigBoss | actually what is really funny is I gave a copy of our new Kobol product to a friend of mine that has never used XP, and Kobol has an XP look to it |
| 23:48:51 | BigBoss | he tells me "You can tell that it is a Linux program at its heart" |
| 23:48:55 | BigBoss | which is hilarious |
| 23:51:03 | Neo|Work | BigBoss: never underestimate M$ |
| 23:53:54 | Neo|Work | Kobol? KDE Cobol or what? |
| 23:57:37 | ljp | heh just because it has a different look to it makes it linux at heart? |
| 23:58:17 | ljp | or the fact that it crashes and is unfinished, and un documented? ;) |
