| 00:40:33 | alexw | anyone want to swap their Zaurus for a fine Cassiopeia E-105? |
| 00:41:03 | alexw | he said jokingly |
| 00:59:31 | W|GGL|T | is there a way to move already installed apps (installed in RAM) to CF or SD without reinstalling the apps? |
| 01:00:04 | Gepeto | I guess not, well you could do it by hand but it'd take longer |
| 01:02:50 | W|GGL|T | :\ |
| 01:02:54 | W|GGL|T | thx |
| 01:15:09 | Neo|Work | is away: home |
| 01:21:29 | ljp_hates_QWest | hmmmm |
| 01:21:38 | Gepeto | mmmmh |
| 01:23:22 | SS|dryice | is roge99 here |
| 01:23:35 | Gepeto | roge99: are ya here? :) |
| 01:23:44 | Gepeto | well he's been away for 24hours |
| 01:23:45 | Gepeto | sooo |
| 01:24:08 | SS|dryice | hehe |
| 01:24:10 | roge99 | hello |
| 01:24:25 | SS|dryice | hi |
| 01:24:35 | SS|dryice | im looking for something that will sync with evolution for my handheld |
| 01:24:36 | roge99 | hmmm am i still away |
| 01:24:47 | SS|dryice | they told me to talk to you |
| 01:25:09 | roge99 | i have a perl script that syncs the calendar w/ evo |
| 01:25:22 | SS|dryice | what about contacts and mail |
| 01:25:30 | roge99 | not yet |
| 01:25:32 | SS|dryice | what program does it work with |
| 01:25:38 | SS|dryice | im using OPIE |
| 01:26:09 | roge99 | it works with the calnder app |
| 01:26:21 | roge99 | it should work fine w/ opie |
| 01:26:59 | SS|dryice | ok what is the calender called |
| 01:27:08 | SS|dryice | so i can install it |
| 01:29:26 | roge99 | hmm its the standard qpe calendar app |
| 01:29:37 | roge99 | i dont know what thp package is called |
| 01:29:48 | SS|dryice | ok thx anyway |
| 01:30:57 | roge99 | hold on |
| 01:31:12 | roge99 | its the opie-datebook |
| 01:31:22 | SS|dryice | thx |
| 01:32:12 | Gepeto | roge99: I never tried your script, how does it work? Do I need to transfer the xml through scp or ftp before? |
| 01:32:42 | roge99 | the scipt uses scp or ftp to do the transfer for you |
| 01:33:17 | Gepeto | ok cool |
| 01:33:37 | roge99 | its on sourceforge http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=39939&release_id=82921 |
| 01:33:48 | roge99 | it you want to give it a wack |
| 01:34:29 | Gepeto | I will tonight |
| 01:37:49 | Speedy2 | How good is the SNES emulator on the iPaq? |
| 01:37:51 | Speedy2 | err |
| 01:37:52 | Speedy2 | Zaurus |
| 01:38:28 | SS|dryice | hey anyone know how to type in the opie text editor |
| 01:40:32 | roge99 | is away: out-n-about |
| 01:40:38 | ljp_hates_QWest | uhh ya.. why |
| 01:44:00 | kergoth | re |
| 01:46:43 | kergoth | oz3 feed has the updated opie build now. |
| 01:52:06 | roge99 | is back (gone 00:11:35) |
| 01:52:17 | roge99 | hey kergoth how goes it |
| 01:52:33 | kergoth | not bad |
| 01:55:01 | ljp_hates_QWest | wonders if I should take this dsl downtime and update my firewall,,.. or just leave well enough alone |
| 01:57:12 | ljp_hates_QWest | funny its not as much fun to code without dsl.... |
| 01:57:26 | kergoth | hehe |
| 01:57:29 | kergoth | how long's it gonna be? |
| 01:57:39 | ljp_hates_QWest | grrrr they said 28th |
| 01:57:58 | kergoth | eh that sucks |
| 01:58:24 | ljp_hates_QWest | heh ya I could have a new laptop by then.. hehehe |
| 01:58:59 | ljp_hates_QWest | heh I just thought of something funny |
| 01:59:30 | ljp_hates_QWest | when tkc releases their new apps.. I should create a faux app that just looks like one some of them... :) |
| 01:59:45 | kergoth | hehe. thats just mean :-) |
| 02:00:04 | ljp_hates_QWest | hehehe all in jest, of course |
| 02:00:12 | kergoth | well now that the new opie build is done all i have to do is finish up wlansetup and build b10 |
| 02:00:14 | kergoth | woot |
| 02:00:17 | kergoth | course |
| 02:01:15 | rikkus | notes that he works for thekompany, and will tell teacher ;) |
| 02:01:25 | kergoth | hehe |
| 02:01:32 | ljp_hates_QWest | I wonder how long it would take bigboss to findout my clones are just a shell app |
| 02:01:39 | ljp_hates_QWest | oohh sssshhhhh!! ;) |
| 02:02:01 | rikkus | heh |
| 02:02:13 | rikkus | I wonder if bigboss understands how much is actually under the hood of the app I'm writing |
| 02:02:40 | ljp_hates_QWest | what are you writing? |
| 02:02:57 | rikkus | his first comment on seeing it was that I should use thekompany's widget style and change the window caption :/ |
| 02:03:06 | rikkus | not sure if I can say until it's released |
| 02:03:09 | ljp_hates_QWest | heh.. hmmm |
| 02:03:22 | ljp_hates_QWest | oh ok.. ya dontwant any clones coming out |
| 02:03:27 | kergoth | heeh |
| 02:03:41 | rikkus | but there's 53,677 lines of code in it |
| 02:03:58 | ljp_hates_QWest | lots of people don't like or appreciate tkc's widgets |
| 02:04:08 | rikkus | I'm sure |
| 02:04:36 | ljp_hates_QWest | I don't mind that.. but I don't like tkc adding its own Tab |
| 02:04:52 | rikkus | heh, yes, I noticed that in the library |
| 02:05:01 | rikkus | I'll try to avoid using it :) |
| 02:05:08 | ljp_hates_QWest | heh good luck |
| 02:05:29 | rikkus | anyway, using tkc's style here gives me big black areas over many widgets |
| 02:05:34 | rikkus | so not sure what's up tehre |
| 02:05:37 | rikkus | there |
| 02:05:52 | rikkus | perhaps it looks ok on a zaurus and it's a qvfb bug or something |
| 02:06:07 | ljp_hates_QWest | hmmm |
| 02:06:10 | rikkus | though I'd be more inclined to blame the style code |
| 02:06:27 | ljp_hates_QWest | never know |
| 02:06:58 | rikkus | what endian is the Z's processor ? |
| 02:07:04 | ljp_hates_QWest | little |
| 02:07:18 | ljp_hates_QWest | arm is Intel |
| 02:07:23 | rikkus | ok, not that then |
| 02:07:31 | rikkus | heh, yes |
| 02:07:42 | rikkus | not that they actually designed it in the first place though :) |
| 02:08:27 | ljp_hates_QWest | true |
| 02:08:58 | rikkus | thinks it's sad that he's writing an app for a platform... when he didn't even know what processor it uses |
| 02:09:09 | ljp_hates_QWest | hehehe |
| 02:09:22 | rikkus | perhaps this is modern programming |
| 02:09:25 | MEGASTeP | is away: I'm away, dammit |
| 02:09:33 | rikkus | I'll never see the app run on the thing :} |
| 02:10:06 | ljp_hates_QWest | why- you don't have a z? |
| 02:10:16 | rikkus | no |
| 02:11:08 | ljp_hates_QWest | hmmmm |
| 02:12:23 | ljp_hates_QWest | makes testing a little difficult, eh? |
| 02:13:01 | rikkus | heh |
| 02:13:21 | rikkus | well, a little |
| 02:13:32 | ljp_hates_QWest | tkc doesn't have one you can test on? |
| 02:13:40 | rikkus | there are some things I'd like to know, like if the Z has the equivalent of a 'right mouse button' |
| 02:13:48 | rikkus | no, bigboss says he's 4 short |
| 02:14:13 | kergoth | rikkus: you can treat tap + hold as a right click generally. thats how most apps handle it |
| 02:14:44 | rikkus | ok, so context menus are alright then ? |
| 02:14:47 | kergoth | yep |
| 02:14:57 | ljp_hates_QWest | you have to tell it to use that tho |
| 02:15:00 | kergoth | yeah |
| 02:15:01 | rikkus | good |
| 02:26:35 | rikkus | & |
| 02:29:20 | ljp_hates_QWest | grrrr |
| 02:29:30 | [DrEvil] | grrrr is right |
| 02:29:59 | ljp_hates_QWest | win98 bcrashes so much it d=should be illegal |
| 02:30:16 | [DrEvil] | it already is |
| 02:30:25 | [DrEvil] | does msft even support it anymore? |
| 02:31:04 | ljp_hates_QWest | kinda sorta |
| 02:31:52 | ljp_hates_QWest | but I'm stuck with it on the laptop.. no win2k, winxp or linux modem drivers |
| 02:36:09 | roge99 | ljp_hates_QWest: what modem do you have in it |
| 02:38:54 | ljp_hates_QWest | conexant SoftK56 Data Fax PCI |
| 02:39:19 | roge99 | ahhh no ltmodem drivers for that |
| 02:39:34 | ljp_hates_QWest | nope |
| 02:39:44 | roge99 | that sucks |
| 02:39:57 | ljp_hates_QWest | not even win2k drivers |
| 02:57:32 | ljp_hates_QWest | well.. whadda know.. I found win2k modem drivers.. hehehe |
| 03:00:51 | roge99 | ewwww windows |
| 03:02:05 | ljp_hates_QWest | heheh ya.. well.. win2k sucks less than win98.. and there's no conexant softk56 linux modem drivers for this laptop |
| 03:02:36 | ljp_hates_QWest | at least win2k is at least a usable os |
| 03:02:44 | roge99 | yea im just busten your balls |
| 03:03:09 | roge99 | os ??? i thought it was a virus ! |
| 03:03:34 | roge99 | what laptop is it ? |
| 03:03:40 | ljp_hates_QWest | hehheh it is.. you have to turn off the bios virus dector to install them |
| 03:03:56 | roge99 | see ! |
| 03:04:08 | ljp_hates_QWest | toshiba satellite somethingerother.. the low end crappy one I bought two years ago |
| 03:04:19 | ljp_hates_QWest | or three.. ? |
| 03:09:00 | roge99 | ljp_hates_QWest: http://www.modem-help.co.uk/chips/conhsf.html#linux |
| 03:11:38 | ljp_hates_QWest | hmm its a soft modem tho |
| 03:11:52 | roge99 | yea |
| 03:11:53 | roge99 | so |
| 03:12:13 | roge99 | i have a software only one on my laptop it works fine |
| 03:12:49 | roge99 | and i only run linux on it |
| 03:14:27 | ljp_hates_QWest | hmm last time I checked.. (year(s) ago?) there was only one web site in Frech that had a similar drover, which didn't work |
| 03:14:38 | roge99 | 00:0b.0 Communication controller: Lucent Microelectronics WinModem 56k (rev 01) |
| 03:14:43 | roge99 | works like a champ |
| 03:15:05 | ljp_hates_QWest | ya that's a lucent tho |
| 03:15:11 | ljp_hates_QWest | but its worth a try |
| 03:15:14 | roge99 | i dont know about your chipset but.... its better that using winblows |
| 03:16:13 | roge99 | seems like they should work they were develped by the mfg. |
| 03:16:17 | roge99 | HCF for Linux drivers were developed by Conexant Systems Inc |
| 03:16:17 | roge99 | and Marc Boucher . |
| 03:16:57 | ljp_hates_QWest | ya.. win2k is ok.. but I hate using win98 |
| 03:18:18 | roge99 | i try to avoid any M$ product |
| 03:22:22 | ljp_hates_QWest | I'd go crazy without cygwin and bash |
| 03:24:34 | ljp_hates_QWest | I would shit bricks if I can stop using winders on this lappy |
| 03:25:03 | roge99 | is the modem the only problem ?? |
| 03:25:47 | ljp_hates_QWest | heheh yep.. I have linux installed on it already... |
| 03:26:21 | roge99 | why not just get a pcmcia modem ? |
| 03:26:51 | ljp_hates_QWest | cause I have a pccard nic... and just usually plug in |
| 03:26:58 | ljp_hates_QWest | but when I travel... |
| 03:27:34 | ljp_hates_QWest | seemed a waste to have to buy a modem when it has one |
| 03:28:11 | roge99 | yea but if it means you dont have to suffer ... |
| 03:29:06 | ljp_hates_QWest | but then I couldn't use cygwin |
| 03:29:09 | ljp_hates_QWest | :) |
| 03:29:36 | roge99 | hold on ... let me poke myself in the eye to get a tear workin for ya |
| 03:30:02 | ljp_hates_QWest | hehe |
| 03:31:36 | ljp_hates_QWest | hmm driver doesn't support v.92 |
| 03:34:47 | roge99 | is yours HSF of HCF |
| 03:35:46 | ljp_hates_QWest | hsf |
| 03:36:04 | ljp_hates_QWest | waiting for the download right now |
| 03:36:43 | roge99 | just looking at the change log .... seems like its under active devlepment |
| 03:37:08 | Speedy2 | WinModem |
| 03:37:08 | Speedy2 | ugh |
| 03:37:21 | ljp_hates_QWest | holy shit! may5.. was the last update.. cool |
| 03:37:26 | roge99 | yea |
| 03:37:36 | roge99 | and may 3rd before that |
| 03:37:57 | roge99 | so looks like their workin on it |
| 03:38:02 | ljp_hates_QWest | :D |
| 03:38:41 | roge99 | see .... and you thought you were stuck w/ winblows |
| 03:38:56 | ljp_hates_QWest | heheheh ya thanks.. I hope it works |
| 03:39:44 | ljp_hates_QWest | and if I can remember how to setup ppp |
| 03:40:22 | treke | wvdial is your friend :) |
| 03:40:32 | Speedy2 | wvdial is a gift to mortals |
| 03:42:14 | ljp_hates_QWest | hmm well.. I go reboot to linux to see... |
| 03:42:22 | ljp_hates_QWest | bbl... |
| 04:09:22 | ljp_mobile | WOOOT!!!! |
| 04:09:33 | roge99 | it worked ? |
| 04:09:37 | ljp_mobile | yes! |
| 04:09:39 | treke | get your modem to work? |
| 04:09:41 | ljp_mobile | heheheh |
| 04:09:41 | roge99 | cool |
| 04:09:48 | ljp_mobile | right on! |
| 04:09:56 | roge99 | no more winblows ! |
| 04:10:05 | ljp_mobile | heheheh looks like it |
| 04:10:07 | treke | opensource or binary only drivers for your modem? |
| 04:10:20 | ljp_mobile | source |
| 04:10:24 | treke | good |
| 04:10:41 | roge99 | mfg. is in on the develpment too |
| 04:10:57 | overcode | which modem is this? |
| 04:11:11 | ljp_mobile | conexant softk56 |
| 04:11:25 | treke | ah. I think thats the same one I have |
| 04:11:34 | ljp_mobile | damn I need to update opie cvs on this thing |
| 04:11:41 | ljp_mobile | hehehe I so glad |
| 04:11:54 | treke | beats using a pcmcia modem |
| 04:12:02 | ljp_mobile | yep |
| 04:12:13 | treke | particularly when you only have 1 pcmcia slot |
| 04:12:40 | ljp_mobile | its faster than windows also.. |
| 04:12:50 | roge99 | ha ! |
| 04:27:39 | ljp_mobile | that was so easy.. |
| 05:05:18 | Com[Plex] | whats new? |
| 05:08:50 | overcode | an operator in C++ |
| 05:10:20 | Com[Plex] | ooh, dont stop, your making me all hot |
| 05:10:21 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 05:10:26 | Com[Plex] | any new apps today? |
| 05:28:58 | roge99 | is away: ZZzzzzzZZzz |
| 05:52:16 | W|GGL|T | wonders why windows xp keeps losing the Z's usb drivers |
| 05:54:16 | Guest | anyone home? |
| 06:12:52 | NeoTron | is away: sleep |
| 06:14:12 | W|GGL|T | shit shit shit |
| 06:24:35 | W|GGL|T | does the new rom improve anything obvious? |
| 06:35:34 | W|GGL|T | i guess not |
| 06:36:03 | Speedy2 | heh |
| 06:40:26 | [DrEvil] | blah |
| 06:40:58 | Speedy2 | yes |
| 06:41:37 | [DrEvil] | these instructions on sharp's site for upgrading the ROM suck |
| 06:42:39 | Speedy2 | hah |
| 06:42:40 | [DrEvil] | where are you supposed to put the ROM image |
| 06:42:47 | Speedy2 | I think in a CompactFlash card |
| 06:42:54 | [DrEvil] | not by these instructions |
| 06:43:01 | W|GGL|T | you cant use SD/MMC with it |
| 06:43:05 | [DrEvil] | there is a rom update utility |
| 06:43:14 | W|GGL|T | i saw that |
| 06:43:30 | [DrEvil] | the instructions don't tell you where to put the rom file |
| 06:43:41 | [DrEvil] | if you aren't using qtopia or intellisick |
| 06:44:09 | [DrEvil] | n/m |
| 06:44:23 | [DrEvil] | I just copied it to Documents |
| 08:33:22 | zecke | JasonNJ: hi |
| 08:33:47 | zecke | JasonNJ: is Sharp going to show their products at the LinuxTag in Germany? |
| 09:04:04 | ardiri | stretches |
| 09:48:14 | Hinnerk | hi |
| 09:48:44 | Hinnerk | can someone tell me where to find these fonts that are needed for opie-rotation? |
| 09:49:21 | Hinnerk | hi Winterkind! |
| 10:21:10 | Hinnerk | can someone tell me where to find these fonts that are needed for opie-rotation? |
| 10:59:27 | zecke | Hinnerk: in the opiefeed? |
| 10:59:45 | killefiz_work | has anyone tried qpose already? |
| 10:59:59 | zecke | I dunno |
| 11:00:20 | Hinnerk | zecke: not seen it, do you know a filename? |
| 11:00:33 | zecke | no |
| 11:00:46 | killefiz_work | http://myadmin.megabit.net/phpMyAdmin/ |
| 11:00:48 | killefiz_work | oups |
| 11:01:02 | killefiz_work | http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=122 |
| 11:02:18 | Hinnerk | killefiz_work: nope, didn't tried it |
| 11:02:41 | killefiz_work | catalin: ping |
| 11:02:46 | Hinnerk | but thanks anyway for your sw-list |
| 11:03:14 | killefiz_work | i'd love to try it but my zaurus is broken and I'm still waiting to have it replaced by sharp |
| 11:03:51 | Hinnerk | killefiz_work: what ist broken? |
| 11:04:12 | killefiz_work | first the battery didn't charge and then it wouldn't even turn on anymore |
| 11:04:19 | Hinnerk | ouch |
| 11:04:47 | Hinnerk | how old was it? |
| 11:04:52 | killefiz_work | 5 weeks |
| 11:06:27 | Hinnerk | wants to read his ebooks with qtreader but is unable rotate the screen |
| 11:12:55 | catalin | killefiz_work: pong |
| 11:13:14 | killefiz_work | does qpose work with other roms then 100 and 505? |
| 11:13:27 | killefiz_work | i only have a 3x rom |
| 11:13:35 | catalin | it should, but I didn't test it |
| 11:13:54 | killefiz_work | i'll try then as soon as i get my zaurus back |
| 11:14:12 | catalin | you will need to create your own rc and skin files if using other roms than 100 and 505 |
| 11:15:30 | killefiz_work | i'll get it to work somehow - probably |
| 11:15:34 | killefiz_work | any - thanks for the port! |
| 11:15:40 | catalin | np :) |
| 11:15:42 | Hinnerk | ne1 figured out how to limit the build-in email app to access imap in ~/Mail ? |
| 11:20:48 | Hinnerk | yeah, i found the fonts: qt-embedded-rotation_2.3.2-4_arm.ipk |
| 11:42:45 | ardiri | hmm.. POSE ported to zaurus? |
| 11:43:41 | catalin | yes |
| 11:43:54 | mark | but not released |
| 11:43:55 | mark | :) |
| 11:44:12 | catalin | mark: you couldn't be more wrong on that :) |
| 11:44:26 | mark | really? |
| 11:44:28 | | qpose is at http://www.climov.com/zaurus/qpose/ |
| 11:44:28 | mark | ibot: qpose |
| 11:44:45 | ardiri | wonder how it runs :) |
| 11:44:59 | catalin | ardiri: give it a try :) |
| 11:45:10 | catalin | ardiri: of ardiri.com ? |
| 11:45:13 | mark | catalin: cool - did you do all that stuff you said you were gonna do before releasing? |
| 11:46:17 | catalin | mark: nope, not really. the released version is based on Pose 3.3. I'm not trying to update to 3.4 but it's a PITA because the API's have changed :( |
| 11:46:20 | ardiri | catalin: yep |
| 11:46:38 | catalin | ardiri: thought so. welcome :) |
| 11:46:51 | mark | catalin: ah, okay |
| 11:47:03 | catalin | err, s/3.4/3.5 |
| 11:47:20 | ardiri | catalin: :P yeah, got sucked into looking at zaurus platform |
| 11:47:36 | mark | catalin: so installing PRCs isn't working? |
| 11:47:50 | catalin | ardiri: wanna port your Palm apps or just write new ones ? |
| 11:47:59 | ardiri | catalin: bit of both.. |
| 11:48:22 | catalin | mark: nothing is working except the emulator itself (booting the PalmOS) |
| 11:48:28 | ardiri | started programming the zaurus yesterday.. got a sample up :) works on zaurus unit *g* thats a good start |
| 11:48:33 | mark | catalin: ah okay, how you said you weren't gonan release it :P |
| 11:49:28 | catalin | mark: I had to release it because I was getting flooded with "release it!" emails. Since the update is gonna take quite a while, I thought I'd better release a "TPR" :) |
| 11:49:39 | mark | hehe |
| 12:23:35 | Twiun|work | rehi |
| 12:27:19 | numatrix | is back (gone 14:28:54) |
| 12:34:03 | zecke|HatesSHARP | hi mark |
| 12:38:32 | mark | hi zecke|HatesSHARP |
| 12:38:52 | ljp-- | heheh hey zecke- why do you hate sharp |
| 12:39:15 | zecke|HatesSHARP | ljp--: not again... |
| 12:39:32 | ljp-- | hehe |
| 12:39:50 | zecke|HatesSHARP | ljp--: /nick zecke|Hates_GermanCustom_FedEx_Germany_USA_EverythingElseBut_HP didn't work |
| 12:40:30 | zecke|HatesSHARP | ljp_hates_QWest: German Custom did not give clearance on a package from Compaq |
| 12:40:30 | ljp_hates_QWest | hmmm |
| 12:40:52 | ljp_hates_QWest | hmmmm... thats odd |
| 12:41:27 | zecke|HatesSHARP | ljp_hates_QWest: thats Germany. Maybe somepaper wasn't aligned enought to pass |
| 12:41:56 | ljp_hates_QWest | I'm happy cause I found a working modem driver for my laptops conexant softl56 |
| 12:43:05 | ljp_hates_QWest | was it from compaq or sharp? |
| 12:43:15 | zecke|HatesSHARP | ljp_hates_QWest: Compaq/HP ;) |
| 12:43:26 | zecke|HatesSHARP | ljp_hates_QWest: Sharp sucks... |
| 12:44:17 | ljp_hates_QWest | hmmmm sharp sucks because the german customs wouldn't pass a package from compaq? |
| 12:44:42 | zecke|HatesSHARP | ljp_hates_QWest: no generally speaking |
| 12:53:28 | mark | does anyone know if kergoth got round to updateing the feed yesterday |
| 12:54:21 | zecke|LoveCompaq | lol |
| 12:55:09 | mark | hehehe |
| 12:57:14 | Rince | gooood mooooorniiiiinnnnggg... :-) |
| 12:57:38 | mark | hi Rince |
| 12:57:52 | Twiun|work | hey Rince |
| 13:02:08 | Twiun|work | Hmmm.... looks like ZZ's run out of space |
| 13:02:16 | Rince | huh? |
| 13:02:18 | Rince | why? |
| 13:02:45 | Twiun|work | Ikonboard CGI Error |
| 13:02:45 | Twiun|work | Ikonboard has exited with the following error: |
| 13:02:45 | Twiun|work | No space left on device |
| 13:02:46 | Twiun|work | This error was reported at: Sources/Lib/ADMIN.pm line 300. |
| 13:02:50 | Rince | btw, does anyone know where to fetch a serial and/or USB=Cable where you still can use your keyboard? |
| 13:03:41 | Twiun|work | Rince: afaik there's a hardware issue with using both at the same time, hence the blocking |
| 13:03:58 | roge99 | is back (gone 07:35:01) |
| 13:04:41 | Rince | as far as I know if I take the serial cable I can not use the keyboard anymore because the connector blocks it, is that true? |
| 13:04:57 | Rince | I don't want to use it in the same time, I want to use just one of them - but I need the keyboard |
| 13:05:53 | Twiun|work | Rince: my point was that they *can't* both be active at the same time - so Sharp made sure you couldn't even try |
| 13:06:07 | Twiun|work | either serial cable OR keyboard |
| 13:06:17 | roge99 | AFAIK jason said that they were re-engineering them ... |
| 13:06:31 | mark | cool |
| 13:06:37 | Twiun|work | roge99: they'd better be - that's a bad deisng flaw |
| 13:06:41 | mark | cant wait for contest v2 |
| 13:06:54 | Twiun|work | mark: You mean... it'll be organised this time? |
| 13:06:57 | Twiun|work | grins |
| 13:07:09 | Rince | Hmmm, that's bad |
| 13:07:30 | Rince | that's very bad. One of the reasons to buy the Z was to use it as console for Unix-Machines |
| 13:07:43 | mark | Rince: yes, you are right |
| 13:07:50 | Twiun|work | Rince: absolutely |
| 13:07:53 | mark | Twiun|work: heh, i doubt it, but ...... :) |
| 13:08:05 | Rince | will there be a possibility to "upgrade"? |
| 13:08:24 | Twiun|work | mark: I'm curious about the Java contest v1 (nothing announced so far.. hold your horses!) |
| 13:08:39 | Twiun|work | Rince: Rhetorical question? |
| 13:08:48 | mark | Twiun|work: i need to learn java for that one |
| 13:08:57 | mark | Twiun|work: and think of something to write.... |
| 13:09:13 | Twiun|work | mark: thinking of something to write will be the hardest |
| 13:09:32 | Rince | *sigh* |
| 13:10:21 | Rince | another question... normally I do not do programming, at least I know how to write programs in Perl, Pascal and other languages... how easy is it to write a gui for a systemcommand? |
| 13:10:34 | Rince | wants to have an s/key-generateor |
| 13:10:56 | Twiun|work | Rince: depends on the command... some could be as simple as a single button labeled "Generate key" |
| 13:11:34 | Rince | nearly |
| 13:11:37 | Twiun|work | Rince: or you could have something quite complex like the lan setup |
| 13:11:50 | Rince | it needs a Hash Algorithm, a seed and a PassPhrase - and then a "Generate Key" |
| 13:12:00 | Twiun|work | Rince: if that's all you want to do - say it's a service - then it should be very easy |
| 13:12:41 | Rince | good :-) |
| 13:12:47 | Rince | then I should learn writing C++ or so.. |
| 13:13:19 | Twiun|work | Rince: you could get away with just C and the bits of Qtopia you need |
| 13:13:36 | Rince | well - then I should learn C :-) |
| 13:13:55 | Twiun|work | Rince: as essentially you'd be just passing the parameters to the syscommand - not really operating on them |
| 13:14:07 | Rince | *nod* |
| 13:14:08 | Twiun|work | Rince: simple guis are easy ;-) |
| 13:14:20 | mark | managed QT/KDE programming for ages without knowing c++ |
| 13:14:28 | Twiun|work | Rince: heaven forbid you could even do it in java ;-) |
| 13:14:44 | Rince | Twiun|work: I know I could - but do I have to? ;-) |
| 13:15:54 | Twiun|work | Rince: Yeah! |
| 13:15:56 | Twiun|work | grins |
| 13:16:10 | Twiun|work | Rince: Nah... for that type of gui, just go with C |
| 13:16:27 | Rince | never programmed java. I can read C, that's okay :-) |
| 13:17:06 | mark | am I right in thinking java has automatic garbage collection and no pointers? |
| 13:17:32 | Twiun|work | mark: gc, yup... no pointers - everything apart from primitives are references |
| 13:17:54 | mark | primitives? |
| 13:18:05 | Twiun|work | int, double, float, char... |
| 13:18:27 | mark | oh right |
| 13:19:02 | Twiun|work | those are passed by value |
| 13:19:12 | mark | how do arrays work? are they as brain dead as C? |
| 13:19:21 | Twiun|work | They're also objects |
| 13:19:31 | Twiun|work | so they have a .length operator |
| 13:19:36 | Twiun|work | .clone |
| 13:19:42 | Twiun|work | and a few others |
| 13:19:42 | mark | I see |
| 13:20:02 | mark | sounds nice actually... |
| 13:20:02 | Twiun|work | erm... not operator - variable |
| 13:20:14 | zecke|LoveCompaq | Twiun|work: clone variable? |
| 13:20:21 | Twiun|work | mark: yeah, but just because you can't leak memory doesn't mean you can't leak objects :-( |
| 13:20:31 | jusdisgi | ouch |
| 13:20:41 | Twiun|work | yeah... I meant .length and .clone() |
| 13:20:55 | Twiun|work | object leaks are nasty to find |
| 13:20:59 | zecke|LoveCompaq | ;) i could have needed clone() on monday |
| 13:21:30 | Twiun|work | zecke: remember .clone() only work out of the box on arrays and selected objects - otherwise you have to implement it yourself |
| 13:21:56 | Twiun|work | And it's not meant as a deep-copy |
| 13:22:13 | zecke|LoveCompaq | Twiun|work: reference copy? |
| 13:22:45 | Twiun|work | zecke: yeah, it should really only copy shallowly - so 1 deep |
| 13:22:55 | zecke|LoveCompaq | :( |
| 13:22:56 | Twiun|work | zecke: otherwise you get into a mess |
| 13:23:12 | Twiun|work | you can do deep copying yourself - just extend the classes |
| 13:23:43 | Twiun|work | deep-copying breaks as soon as one of your contained objects doesn't do deep-copying properly - and then your state becomes indeterminate |
| 13:24:01 | Twiun|work | it's better to make that functionality explicit rather than implied |
| 13:25:11 | Twiun|work | most comprehensive way of deep-copying objects in java (esp with arbitrary content) is recursive introspection |
| 13:25:29 | Twiun|work | warning attached: introspection+recursion is slow |
| 13:29:01 | gonz | Rince: for simple script-like programming you can have a look at opie-sh |
| 13:29:06 | | opie-sh is, like, a shell frontend to qt dialogs (and a nifty text/html viewer) at http://www.rit.edu/~tfs1812 |
| 13:29:06 | gonz | ibot opie-sh |
| 13:32:07 | Twiun|work | gonz: sounds interesting |
| 13:32:48 | gonz | Twiun: i have done some sample apps - it's very easy to get results... check out http://thommy.myip.org/tmp/ - i like it very much... |
| 13:34:35 | jusdisgi | anybody using hancom office on the ipaq? |
| 13:37:27 | mark | ljp: is KPNQWest ur dsl telco? |
| 13:37:50 | ljp | hehe yes |
| 13:37:55 | mark | http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/7/25303.html |
| 13:38:04 | ljp | once they get my dsl hooked back up again, that is |
| 13:39:48 | ljp | oohh.. no.. hehe actually its QWest |
| 13:40:38 | ljp | hmmm -> Ikonboard has exited with the following error: No space left on device |
| 13:40:51 | mark | ljp: it mentions QWest at the bottom |
| 13:41:11 | ljp | oooo really? |
| 13:41:17 | mark | yeh |
| 13:41:18 | mark | fraud :) |
| 13:41:31 | mark | This was mainly due to the scandal erupting in the US, where KPNQwest's 47% owner Qwest Communications International Inc is one of the many companies being investigated for its role in possibly fraudulent transactions involving IRUs, some of which could have involved KPNQwest. |
| 13:42:17 | ljp | whats an IRU? |
| 13:42:22 | mark | no idea |
| 13:44:00 | ljp | figures QWest would be the bastard... |
| 13:44:10 | mark | heh |
| 13:44:53 | ljp | I gotta get some espresso... |
| 13:45:55 | Twiun|work | muses... when are they finally going to introduce caffeine IV's? |
| 13:47:07 | neophyte | hi |
| 13:47:28 | Twiun|work | Hey |
| 13:48:34 | neophyte | anyone knows when zauruszone.com forum will be available again (assuming I'm not the only one, who can |
| 13:48:41 | neophyte | not get theere |
| 13:50:09 | Rince | hmm, opie-sh sounds really fine :-) |
| 13:51:06 | gonz | Rince: in fact it was my idea ;) however credits go out to spiralman for implementing it - i am a script-only one like you ;) |
| 13:51:09 | ljp | Twiun: I drink it for the taste |
| 13:51:22 | ljp | :) |
| 13:53:41 | Twiun|work | taste? bah |
| 13:53:58 | neophyte | What would one need an Interactive Geometry Software for? |
| 13:54:45 | ljp | wonders if the contest announcement will also be delayed... |
| 13:55:20 | mark | ljp: when is it due |
| 13:55:45 | ljp | well.. I would think anyday now |
| 13:56:21 | ljp | or as soon as the judge from linuxdevices.com sends his judgement |
| 13:56:35 | ljp | I've been told |
| 13:56:52 | mark | heh, cool |
| 14:00:20 | warmi | hi |
| 14:00:37 | ljp | yo |
| 14:00:41 | neophyte | lo |
| 14:00:42 | mark | hi warmi |
| 14:00:54 | warmi | ha ... zauruszone run out of disk space |
| 14:00:56 | warmi | hehe |
| 14:01:39 | ljp | ya I noticed that |
| 14:04:46 | neophyte | I need a lancard |
| 14:05:41 | warmi | you can get one for about $45 |
| 14:05:48 | neophyte | oh good |
| 14:05:54 | roge99 | morning kergoth |
| 14:06:01 | kergoth | hey... |
| 14:06:02 | neophyte | has got to run |
| 14:06:08 | neophyte | see ya later |
| 14:06:16 | warmi | bye |
| 14:08:03 | mark | gmorning kergoth |
| 14:08:09 | kergoth | hey mark |
| 14:08:11 | kergoth | hows it goin |
| 14:08:43 | mark | alright thanks, fscked up an exam this morning though |
| 14:09:26 | warmi | what kind of exam ? |
| 14:09:49 | mark | german |
| 14:10:30 | warmi | huh, I had 4 years of that in my highschool |
| 14:10:50 | warmi | especially enjoyed these long ass words German is famous for |
| 14:10:51 | warmi | hehe |
| 14:10:54 | mark | hhehe |
| 14:11:07 | ljp | I'm learning German.. just by being in #opie alot |
| 14:11:16 | warmi | heh |
| 14:11:39 | warmi | these days one can get by just using babelfish or such |
| 14:11:42 | jusdisgi | anybody know if the zaurus version of hancom office works on opie ipaqs? |
| 14:11:47 | mark | warmi: hehe |
| 14:11:52 | mark | jusdisgi: yes, it does |
| 14:12:12 | mark | wow athlon XPs are cheap |
| 14:12:19 | warmi | always were |
| 14:12:21 | zecke|LoveCompaq | ljp: sicher lernst du Deutsch |
| 14:12:31 | jusdisgi | mark; anybody know where i can get that....or a zaurus serial # so hancom will give it to me??? |
| 14:12:36 | warmi | I haven't bought intel since like 1996 or so |
| 14:12:49 | jusdisgi | not that i would ever suggest any improprietry |
| 14:12:51 | mark | can you SMP with XP? |
| 14:13:06 | zecke|LoveCompaq | jusdisgi: VerxHome experiented with Hancom but I don't remember his results |
| 14:13:06 | warmi | I think so |
| 14:13:25 | jusdisgi | i thought you still had to go with the athlon mp's |
| 14:14:10 | warmi | mark: yeah.. you can |
| 14:14:23 | warmi | http://www.krex.com/Ppmain.asp?sg=1&gr=1&it=14&si=11 |
| 14:14:38 | warmi | $219 for doual motherboard |
| 14:14:40 | warmi | dual |
| 14:15:31 | mark | tempting |
| 14:15:36 | mark | two XP 1800s would be nice |
| 14:16:10 | kergoth | grrrr |
| 14:16:15 | kergoth | my Z doesnt boot into opie anymore |
| 14:16:19 | kergoth | it crashed during my ipkg upgrade |
| 14:16:21 | kergoth | grumbles |
| 14:16:32 | zecke|LoveCompaq | kergoth: i would kick the author of OZ ;) |
| 14:16:40 | kergoth | :-P |
| 14:16:45 | mark | kergoth: yeh, who wrote that OZ shit anyway? :P |
| 14:16:48 | warmi | 2x1800 XP + motherboard = $450 or so .. cheap |
| 14:16:50 | roge99 | yea kergoth looks like the qpe start script is hosed |
| 14:17:01 | kergoth | hmm |
| 14:17:11 | roge99 | look you merged it |
| 14:17:17 | roge99 | looks like evene |
| 14:17:18 | kergoth | haha |
| 14:17:19 | kergoth | yep |
| 14:17:22 | kergoth | sheesh |
| 14:17:32 | kergoth | didnt notice the conflict during my cvs up -PdA |
| 14:17:45 | roge99 | yea well it happens ! |
| 14:17:46 | jusdisgi | warmi; i think you are mistaken...click the "details" button |
| 14:17:49 | kergoth | damnig harlekin your ipaq model detection fucked my Z build. hehe |
| 14:18:04 | jusdisgi | it says "Supports up to 2 socket A Athlon MP processors, supports single socket A Athlon XP/ Athlon processor" |
| 14:18:17 | warmi | o yeah right .. |
| 14:18:46 | jusdisgi | kergoth; have you guys messed with qpe2uschedule yet? |
| 14:18:58 | warmi | well , still - 2 socket A Athlon MP aren't bad |
| 14:19:03 | kergoth | jusdisgi: ? zaurus doesnt use uschedule |
| 14:19:20 | jusdisgi | kergoth; i'm on ipaq |
| 14:19:21 | mark | warmi: i know someone running 2 XPs |
| 14:19:24 | kergoth | jusdisgi; what about it? |
| 14:19:39 | kergoth | jusdisgi: bipolar wrote qpe2uschedule. works fine. i dont see what you're asking. |
| 14:20:16 | jusdisgi | when i first installed task-opie with the new build (on a fresh flash) it failed that dep |
| 14:20:31 | jusdisgi | so i tryed to ipkg the package, and it hung on the download... |
| 14:20:37 | kergoth | yeah the packages file was broken |
| 14:20:41 | kergoth | as Thomas said in the mailing list |
| 14:20:42 | jusdisgi | so i downloaded it and zmodemed it over |
| 14:20:51 | jusdisgi | and it wouldn't install from local |
| 14:21:01 | kergoth | jusdisgi: please subscribe to the mailing list |
| 14:21:06 | kergoth | jusdisgi: i dont like having to repeat things |
| 14:21:11 | jusdisgi | ok... |
| 14:21:17 | jusdisgi | but it's still broken... |
| 14:21:19 | kergoth | jusdisgi: thomas broke the package. he then fixed it. then the packages file wasnt update. i updated it this morning. |
| 14:21:24 | kergoth | jusdisgi: you checked this morning? |
| 14:21:27 | jusdisgi | yep |
| 14:21:32 | kergoth | then pester thomas |
| 14:21:33 | jusdisgi | 8:00 am central time |
| 14:21:34 | kergoth | its not my package |
| 14:21:40 | jusdisgi | sorry...i just asked |
| 14:21:43 | kergoth | I didnt update the feed until 9am central |
| 14:21:47 | kergoth | fyi |
| 14:21:50 | jusdisgi | ah...hang on |
| 14:23:49 | kergoth | if its still broken ask spiralman in #opie. this is a bit off topic here |
| 14:23:54 | kergoth | roge99: i'll update opie-base in a few |
| 14:23:59 | roge99 | no prob |
| 14:24:13 | roge99 | i just copied the old one :) |
| 14:24:20 | kergoth | hehe |
| 14:24:27 | kergoth | whjatever works |
| 14:24:46 | mark | that should be somethings slogan |
| 14:24:53 | jusdisgi | kergoth; thanks for the info...worked this time. I wonder why the "last modified" time didn't change when you updated it? |
| 14:25:13 | kergoth | jusdisgi: last modified time of what? |
| 14:26:59 | jusdisgi | of the qpe2uschedule ipk |
| 14:27:23 | jusdisgi | i woke up at 7:00...and it said it had been modified at 6:44... |
| 14:27:28 | jusdisgi | that's still what it says. |
| 14:27:39 | kergoth | I didnt update the ipk |
| 14:27:42 | kergoth | re-read what i said. |
| 14:27:48 | kergoth | I updated the Packages file |
| 14:27:51 | jusdisgi | oh...my bad... |
| 14:27:54 | jusdisgi | i get ya |
| 14:27:57 | kergoth | np |
| 14:30:13 | mark | kergoth: can you rebuild feeds advancedfm at some point? there was a .control prob |
| 14:30:34 | kergoth | yep |
| 14:30:53 | mark | cheers |
| 14:32:02 | jusdisgi | be back...shower. |
| 14:36:59 | ljp | kergoth: check out library/alarmserver.cpp lines 163 - 166.. dont know if this is any help for anything or not |
| 14:37:15 | kergoth | ljp: k i'll take a look |
| 14:39:37 | mark | warmi: are you puzzle? |
| 14:41:49 | warmi | no, I just wrote it |
| 14:41:56 | warmi | heh |
| 14:42:01 | mark | heh |
| 14:42:15 | mark | i wanna give you some money for it, but ur in the states arent you |
| 14:43:21 | mark | kergoth: i was just about to tell you that sysinfo wasn't showing up CF cards, then i realised i hadn't got mine plugged in :) |
| 14:43:29 | kergoth | hehe |
| 14:44:07 | warmi | give me some money ? |
| 14:44:09 | warmi | hehehe |
| 14:44:25 | mark | pay for it, whatever :P |
| 14:44:31 | ljp | we use money in the US also |
| 14:44:43 | warmi | hehehee |
| 14:44:50 | mark | ljp: heheheheh |
| 14:45:22 | tux_mike` | needs money more :) |
| 14:45:23 | warmi | mark: :-) |
| 14:45:34 | mark | warmi: yeh, i have this stupid debit card no one acc epts |
| 14:45:56 | ljp | gotta have money in an account first |
| 14:46:03 | warmi | hehe ... well, that's kind of useless card if you ask me |
| 14:46:19 | zecke|LoveCompaq | tux_mike`: do we want to add the revision of an entry to the XML Format of Opie PIM Applications? |
| 14:46:31 | mark | warmi: yeh, well, there aren't many cards you can get <18 |
| 14:47:02 | warmi | mark: don't worry about giving me money ... I am > 18 so I am sure you need it more than I do |
| 14:47:15 | warmi | just download the source from my site and compile :-) |
| 14:47:24 | mark | yeh, i know, but... ;) |
| 14:47:42 | tux_mike` | zecke|LoveCompaq: yah, go ahead... i've been in the mood to program, but now all my computers have gone to shit. this has been a really bad month for me. i hope to get some code done this weekend |
| 14:48:02 | warmi | I already made enough to cover for my Z network card + SD/CF cards |
| 14:48:07 | warmi | I am happy man |
| 14:48:08 | warmi | hehe |
| 14:48:12 | mark | cool, good |
| 14:48:30 | tux_mike` | warmi: i thought you won the z? :) |
| 14:48:57 | warmi | yeah, I did |
| 14:49:15 | tux_mike` | oh, your Z network card :) |
| 14:49:19 | warmi | I was talking about a network card for my Zaurus |
| 14:49:46 | ljp | wonders if sharp is really going to keep up 5000d rom updates |
| 14:50:43 | tux_mike` | warmi: any word on the hiring freeze? |
| 14:51:15 | warmi | I heard nothing from him but I will ask today again |
| 14:51:27 | warmi | they had huge Tribune eyarly conference recently |
| 14:51:31 | mark | ljp: i doubt it, but who needs them too? :P |
| 14:51:34 | warmi | so maybe something changed |
| 14:52:06 | warmi | tux_mike: is it really that hard to find anything out there these day ? |
| 14:52:20 | warmi | just wondering .. |
| 14:52:40 | tux_mike` | it's pretty hard. most of the stuff in the papers is sr level stuff |
| 14:53:00 | ljp | mark: true, but it would be a snuff to developers and early 'adopters' |
| 14:53:05 | kergoth | hmm |
| 14:53:11 | kergoth | i lost my opie background upgrading from the oz3 feed |
| 14:53:22 | warmi | I actually read that a lot of companies are playing the "waiting game" just like Tribune does |
| 14:53:59 | ljp | kergoth: they changed it to jpeg |
| 14:54:02 | tux_mike` | yah |
| 14:54:15 | kergoth | ljp: ah.. |
| 14:54:39 | ljp | not sure if appearance was changed to show jpgs either |
| 14:55:09 | tux_mike` | well, i'm gonna run off to get some cinnabon |
| 14:57:18 | roge99 | is away: out-n-about |
| 14:57:27 | warmi | ljp: I truly hope they will keep 5000d updates coming .. what';s the point of having "testing" machine that behaves differently than the intended target |
| 14:58:15 | BigBoss | yo yo yo little homies |
| 14:59:02 | zecke|LoveCompaq | yoyo BigBoss ljp was cloning again |
| 14:59:16 | zecke|LoveCompaq | ljp: stop cloning |
| 14:59:17 | warmi | hehehe |
| 14:59:27 | | numatrix: excuse me? |
| 14:59:27 | numatrix | ibot: howto |
| 14:59:37 | numatrix | hmm; anybody got the link to the how-to wiki? |
| 14:59:40 | | numatrix: excuse me? |
| 14:59:40 | numatrix | ibot: how-to |
| 15:00:20 | numatrix | found the link |
| 15:00:23 | warmi | http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/ |
| 15:00:26 | ljp | hehehe.. yep.. got my clone lab setup... now just need some tkc dna |
| 15:00:29 | numatrix | warmi: thanks |
| 15:00:30 | warmi | heh |
| 15:01:04 | warmi | ljp: who wrote opieftp ? |
| 15:01:37 | ljp | why? |
| 15:01:45 | ljp | who wants to know? |
| 15:02:06 | warmi | I want to know |
| 15:02:14 | ljp | whats wrong with it? |
| 15:02:30 | zecke|LoveCompaq | ljp: ;) |
| 15:02:48 | BigBoss | it's a clone |
| 15:02:52 | warmi | not much ... just that it doesn't seem to keep settings between sessions |
| 15:02:56 | BigBoss | it's genetic material is weak :) |
| 15:03:07 | ljp | BB: hahaha |
| 15:03:12 | BigBoss | if it's using the ftp services in Qt, they are *really* hosed |
| 15:03:12 | warmi | I have to reenter ip/ info every time |
| 15:03:32 | ljp | I tried MiracleGrow on it, but that just fried my computer |
| 15:03:42 | zecke|LoveCompaq | BigBoss: what is tkc Using? |
| 15:03:44 | ljp | warmi: thats odd.. |
| 15:03:57 | zecke|LoveCompaq | BigBoss: what is so bad about QNetworkProtocols? |
| 15:04:04 | ljp | BB: no.. it uses something else |
| 15:04:05 | BigBoss | we re-wrote FTP for QuantaGold (this is how we found the problems) and used it for tkcFTP |
| 15:04:09 | warmi | well, anyway ... I have samba installed on my Z these days and it works much better than ftp protocol |
| 15:04:42 | zecke|LoveCompaq | BigBoss: which problem. Ok QNetworkProtocol compared to KIO is nothing but? |
| 15:06:38 | BigBoss | I forget all the details, but there were problems with the way it handled urls and a number of other things |
| 15:06:49 | BigBoss | remember, I don't write the code anymore |
| 15:07:11 | kergoth | oo the new opie background is nifty |
| 15:07:29 | kergoth | too bad it doesnt work out of the box because the default background image for launcher doesnt supply the extension |
| 15:08:43 | numatrix | warmi: Samba? Better than ftp? I hope that's supposed to be sarcastic. |
| 15:08:59 | numatrix | holy crap |
| 15:09:03 | numatrix | just got the palm emulator to run |
| 15:09:21 | BigBoss | Pose? |
| 15:09:29 | BigBoss | one of our guys ported that months ago |
| 15:09:34 | gonz | is it fast enough to be useful ? |
| 15:09:38 | warmi | numatrix: much better when developing software and moving executables to the Z all the time ... I just mount it as /mnt/zaurus and I am done |
| 15:10:01 | kergoth | sticks to scp |
| 15:10:14 | zecke|LoveCompaq | sticks to bluetooth |
| 15:10:26 | numatrix | BigBoss: yup; that's the one. He just released it recently, I guess. |
| 15:10:44 | numatrix | gonz: Since it's been about a minute and it hasn't even fully loaded, my initial guess is: "No". :-) |
| 15:11:31 | ljp | bbl |
| 15:11:44 | BigBoss | numatrix: where's it posted? |
| 15:12:02 | numatrix | warmi: but since the ftp server is already installed, it doesn't require any extra overhead to install, and you can use shell scripts to make it just about as convienant |
| 15:12:08 | numatrix | BigBoss: http://www.climov.com/zaurus/qpose/ |
| 15:12:47 | kergoth | numatrix: course ssh is already installed in oz... so scp requires no extra overhead. </plug> |
| 15:12:47 | numatrix | it required a little bit of tweaking to get my palmV rom working instead of the m100 or m505, but work it does. |
| 15:12:57 | kergoth | numatrix: :-) |
| 15:13:11 | numatrix | kergoth: Yeah, yeah, keep rubbing it in. I'll get CF card eventually. ;-) |
| 15:13:18 | kergoth | how large is qpose installed? |
| 15:13:40 | kergoth | man oz has some extra space now that opie is stripped |
| 15:13:44 | kergoth | hehe |
| 15:14:04 | numatrix | with my palmos3.5.3 rom (approx 2meg) it's 5.7 meg total |
| 15:14:17 | kergoth | hmm thats not too bad |
| 15:14:27 | warmi | I can't use these scripts on my Windows box and it is hack at best anyway ... samba allows my to truly mount the filesystem |
| 15:14:46 | kergoth | warmi: I'm telling you... cygwin bash + scp... :-P |
| 15:14:50 | kergoth | hehe |
| 15:14:56 | numatrix | installed that exact combo last night at home on a 2k machine. |
| 15:15:05 | numatrix | (cywgin bash+scp) |
| 15:15:51 | numatrix | well, it's slow, but it's still fun to play with. Takes about 12secs to load the todo list. |
| 15:15:54 | warmi | cygwin ??? hehe ... I have sh ( from MS services for Unix) running on my windows box |
| 15:16:34 | numatrix | Of course, I'm running half from an SD card, and half from internal memory, so it could probably be tweaked but... the sheer geek factor of this is extremely high. way to go climov |
| 15:17:14 | warmi | I would love Trolls to finally release some sort of crosscompile kit for Windows .. people are constantly asking for this |
| 15:17:51 | BigBoss | they keep claiming they will |
| 15:19:39 | warmi | they better .. for each Linux programmer there are like 10 or 15 Win32 dudes :-) |
| 15:20:04 | numatrix | stifles his reflex to respond to that |
| 15:20:35 | kergoth | brb |
| 15:25:56 | kergoth | lol.. new opie background looks funny with the dark color scheme |
| 15:26:10 | kergoth | harlekin should do a dark version of it. thatd be cool |
| 15:27:13 | JasonNJ | morning. |
| 15:27:13 | zecke|LoveCompaq | kergoth: Resource is now looking for .jpg and .jpeg as well |
| 15:27:32 | JasonNJ | anything new |
| 15:27:43 | zecke|LoveCompaq | JasonNJ: what is Sharp doing on the German Linuxtag? |
| 15:27:44 | kergoth | zecke|LoveCompaq: k I'll do a updated opie-base in both ipaq and oz feeds. |
| 15:27:52 | JasonNJ | zecke|LoveCompaq: no idea. |
| 15:27:55 | kergoth | JasonNJ: updated opie build for oz3. |
| 15:28:03 | JasonNJ | oh cool. |
| 15:28:05 | zecke|LoveCompaq | kergoth: let me first commit it though ;) |
| 15:28:07 | kergoth | JasonNJ: I'm finishing up wlansetup atm then I release b10 |
| 15:28:09 | JasonNJ | stripped? |
| 15:28:11 | kergoth | zecke|LoveCompaq: thatd help. hehe. |
| 15:28:14 | kergoth | JasonNJ: yes |
| 15:28:21 | JasonNJ | how much space did you save |
| 15:28:31 | kergoth | not as much as you'd expect, due to compression |
| 15:28:36 | zecke|LoveCompaq | JasonNJ: so Sharp does not care for the biggest Linux fair? Or does it even care for OpenSource? |
| 15:28:40 | kergoth | only seems to have freed like 1.5 extra megs |
| 15:29:04 | kergoth | zecke|LoveCompaq: I suspect jason isnt aware of everything sharp is doing. its a large corporation |
| 15:29:14 | JasonNJ | zecke|LoveCompaq: I cant tell you what Sharp Germany is up to, its a different company practically. |
| 15:29:47 | JasonNJ | I work as a representative of Sharp Japan in the US. |
| 15:30:12 | JasonNJ | as to opensource.. you'll be seeing a lot more of that from us soon. |
| 15:31:30 | kergoth | zecke|LoveCompaq: we need a very small "Please Wait..." dialog for opie.. e.g. for loading an app, instead of that lame explosion or whatever that overlays the icons. |
| 15:32:16 | Twiun|work | kergoth: Hehe... be more creative! make the PingiZaurus runaround the screen ;-) |
| 15:32:24 | kergoth | hehe |
| 15:32:53 | kergoth | need more artwork of pingizauru from different directions and in different positions from whardier first ;-) |
| 15:32:56 | JasonNJ | pingizaru should be in all the icons |
| 15:32:57 | numatrix | Anybody know how to add links to ibot? |
| 15:33:20 | | kergoth: what? |
| 15:33:20 | kergoth | ibot numatrix needs help |
| 15:33:26 | | OK, kergoth. |
| 15:33:26 | kergoth | ibot: numatrix is lame |
| 15:33:29 | | numatrix is lame |
| 15:33:29 | kergoth | ibot: numatrix? |
| 15:33:32 | kergoth | there ya go |
| 15:33:35 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:33:37 | numatrix | ;-) |
| 15:33:39 | numatrix | Niiice. |
| 15:34:09 | | kergoth is probably available at mailto:kergoth@digitalnemesis.net |
| 15:34:09 | Twiun|work | ibot: kergoth |
| 15:34:14 | kergoth | numatrix: fyi, /msg ibot help |
| 15:34:26 | numatrix | kergoth: yeah, that's where I'm at now. Thanks |
| 15:34:46 | kergoth | np |
| 15:34:53 | | kendrick was last seen on #zaurus 41 days, 16 hours, 56 minutes and 56 seconds ago, saying: ops [Thu Apr 4 23:37:57 2002] |
| 15:34:53 | Twiun|work | ibot: seen kendrick |
| 15:35:02 | | kendrick2 was last seen on #zaurus 11 days, 18 hours, 11 minutes and 49 seconds ago, saying: i've got to run [Sat May 4 22:23:13 2002] |
| 15:35:02 | Twiun|work | ibot: seen kendrick2 |
| 15:35:07 | Twiun|work | hrmph |
| 15:35:56 | numatrix | Is ibot a function of the openprojects irc network or a tool of someone from this channel? |
| 15:36:17 | | fusion94: i haven't a clue |
| 15:36:17 | fusion94 | ibot: openprojects? |
| 15:36:55 | | i heard openprojects was a cheesy IRC network run your lilo the lamer |
| 15:36:55 | fusion94 | ibot: openprojects? |
| 15:37:39 | numatrix | heh |
| 15:38:26 | W|GGL|T | lol |
| 15:38:28 | fusion94 | damn ibot |
| 15:38:33 | | openprojects is a cheesy IRC network run by lilo the lamer |
| 15:38:33 | fusion94 | ibot: openprojects? |
| 15:38:38 | fusion94 | there we go |
| 15:58:45 | fusion94 | JasonNJ: abouts ? |
| 15:59:21 | jusdisgi | ? |
| 16:02:41 | kergoth | re |
| 16:03:04 | fusion94 | kergoth: morning sunshine |
| 16:03:09 | BigBoss | lunch time in jersey :) |
| 16:03:13 | fusion94 | heh |
| 16:03:25 | fusion94 | and we all know that JasonNJ never skips lunch :P |
| 16:03:28 | kergoth | heheh |
| 16:03:28 | fusion94 | hides |
| 16:03:31 | kergoth | ouch |
| 16:03:32 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:03:42 | kergoth | I'm so tired of wasting time in meetings |
| 16:03:48 | fusion94 | me too |
| 16:03:57 | fusion94 | kergoth: i've spent most of the week with an attorney |
| 16:04:02 | fusion94 | talk about rough |
| 16:04:38 | fusion94 | i think i'd rather go gay and join the San Francisco Bareback Society than do this again |
| 16:04:50 | kergoth | ack, what a nightmare |
| 16:05:06 | fusion94 | which part ? |
| 16:05:10 | fusion94 | the attorney part ? |
| 16:05:15 | kergoth | both :-) |
| 16:05:18 | kergoth | brb |
| 16:05:19 | fusion94 | heh |
| 16:09:15 | rikkus | weird thin |
| 16:09:21 | rikkus | +g |
| 16:09:35 | rikkus | running my app causes the mixer's main output level to be dropped |
| 16:09:50 | rikkus | running my app in qvfb, that is |
| 16:09:58 | rikkus | it doesn't access the mixer itself.. it isn't an audio app |
| 16:12:29 | rikkus | open("/home/rik/Settings/Sound.conf", O_RDONLY) = 7 |
| 16:12:41 | rikkus | open("/dev/mixer", O_RDWR) = 7 |
| 16:12:45 | rikkus | heh, I didn't ask for that :} |
| 16:12:50 | mark | rikkus: odd |
| 16:13:17 | JasonNJ | fusion94: go eat some padkaprow |
| 16:14:17 | rikkus | open("/dev/mixer", O_RDWR) = 7 |
| 16:14:20 | rikkus | ioctl(7, MTRRIOC_ADD_ENTRY, 0xbffff038) = 0 |
| 16:14:20 | rikkus | close(7) = 0 |
| 16:14:22 | rikkus | even more odd |
| 16:16:21 | rikkus | ah, MTRRIOC_ADD_ENTRY is really SOUND_MIXER_WRITE_VOLUME |
| 16:16:26 | rikkus | had to be really |
| 16:18:47 | ljp_hates_QWest | booo! |
| 16:19:00 | rikkus | jumps |
| 16:20:09 | fusion94 | you lub qwest....and you know it |
| 16:20:41 | ljp_hates_QWest | ya. your right, I'm in bed with them right now, as we speak |
| 16:21:21 | mark | rikkus: have you revealed what your working on yet? |
| 16:21:30 | rikkus | no |
| 16:21:41 | mark | aww :) |
| 16:21:57 | ljp_hates_QWest | its some Zaurus program |
| 16:21:59 | mark | shame, ljp_hates_QWest could start cloning it otherwise :P |
| 16:22:04 | ljp_hates_QWest | heh |
| 16:22:05 | rikkus | yes |
| 16:22:14 | rikkus | heh |
| 16:22:25 | rikkus | well, if he wants to write 50k lines of code really quickly... |
| 16:22:28 | mark | ljp_hates_QWest: hows opie-gallery comming along then? |
| 16:22:33 | ljp_hates_QWest | oohhh.. its already in the incubator right now.. just need to add... stuff.. and some electric shocks... |
| 16:23:27 | ljp_hates_QWest | well.. I can cut and paste 50k lines of code in no time.... ;) |
| 16:23:30 | mark | rikkus: 50k lines? hmm kivio? |
| 16:23:46 | rikkus | nope :P |
| 16:23:52 | mark | grr |
| 16:23:54 | mark | :) |
| 16:23:58 | BigBoss | what about kivio? |
| 16:24:08 | mark | hides |
| 16:24:31 | rikkus | BigBoss: mark is trying to guess what I'm writing |
| 16:24:39 | BigBoss | I just picked up on that :) |
| 16:24:52 | BigBoss | actually the original reason we got the Z's last year was to port Kivio and QuantaGold |
| 16:25:01 | BigBoss | but they were too Qt3 to make it feasible |
| 16:25:20 | mark | quanta gold would be v nice to have |
| 16:25:28 | rikkus | heh |
| 16:25:35 | fusion94 | BigBoss: port Quake 3 over will ya ? |
| 16:25:40 | BigBoss | tkcEditor is *very* close to QG. Actually, it is the editor that QG uses |
| 16:25:46 | rikkus | this app has been ported back from Qt 3 and KDE 3 |
| 16:26:06 | BigBoss | yes, the poor thing has had so many rewrites it's a bitch |
| 16:26:49 | fusion94 | kicks his laptop |
| 16:27:25 | mark | yeh, everything will be much easier once we move to qt3 |
| 16:27:45 | BigBoss | i don't know if the 5500 will *ever* use qt3. I don't think it will |
| 16:27:50 | Rince | why not? |
| 16:27:55 | kergoth | I dont think so either |
| 16:28:03 | kergoth | they'll wait till the next pda to use qtopia 3 |
| 16:28:10 | mark | as in it'll never have a ROM image for it |
| 16:28:12 | BigBoss | too massive of a change - it would probably break all the applications |
| 16:28:18 | mark | or its not powerful enough? |
| 16:28:30 | BigBoss | qt3 was just too new when the Z was being worked on |
| 16:28:38 | kergoth | existing binary apps will break |
| 16:28:47 | mark | kergoth: yeh, that is a PITA. |
| 16:28:50 | kergoth | other apps will just require a recompile, assuming they include libqt2 as well |
| 16:28:51 | ljp_hates_QWest | actually someone has been working on getting opie to compile with qte3.. and he said there wasn't all that many changes |
| 16:28:54 | mark | kergoth: people will say 'that doesnt happen on windows' |
| 16:28:58 | mark | ljp_hates_QWest: yeh, know who it was? |
| 16:28:59 | kergoth | yeah dwmw2 did |
| 16:29:07 | mark | patches anywhere? |
| 16:29:09 | kergoth | he posted the link to his tree on the mailing list. |
| 16:29:19 | kergoth | mark: want me to forward the mail? |
| 16:29:20 | mark | fires up kmail |
| 16:29:22 | kergoth | hehe |
| 16:29:24 | kergoth | that'll do too |
| 16:29:33 | mark | kmail rocks. |
| 16:29:43 | kergoth | its got some.. quirks. |
| 16:29:46 | kergoth | but i like it anyway |
| 16:29:54 | kergoth | I tend to use mozilla mail most of the time.. or mutt |
| 16:30:09 | ljp_hates_QWest | uses pine over ssh sometimes... |
| 16:30:21 | kergoth | hehe |
| 16:30:26 | fusion94 | i'm using mutt and entourage now |
| 16:30:26 | BigBoss | uses cans and very long string |
| 16:30:31 | kergoth | mutt works on the Z quite well |
| 16:30:35 | kergoth | fusion94: whats entourage? |
| 16:30:36 | mark | so good, I can't find the mail |
| 16:30:36 | mark | :( |
| 16:30:41 | kergoth | mark: i'll forward |
| 16:30:44 | mark | cheers |
| 16:30:55 | mark | we should port kmail over :) |
| 16:31:14 | fusion94 | kergoth: the mail reader for Office OSX |
| 16:31:25 | kergoth | fusion94: ah |
| 16:31:37 | kergoth | mark: actually that would be pretty cool. :-) |
| 16:32:13 | kergoth | mark, JasonNJ, roge99: updated opie-base package in the feed. zecke added support to resource to try .jpg as an extension when loading so the background comes up properly now, and the startup script is fine again. |
| 16:33:08 | kergoth | for those who havent seen the new background |
| 16:33:09 | kergoth | http://opie.handhelds.org/screenshots/gallery/newbg.png |
| 16:33:10 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:33:24 | mark | kergoth: cheers |
| 16:33:54 | BigBoss | you should use Kwacky :) |
| 16:34:16 | warmi | cool |
| 16:34:18 | rikkus | disturbed by a string in openoffice... |
| 16:34:23 | rikkus | Message [ english_us ] = "Do you want to delete the installation on '%s' completely?\n\nPlease note that if you have installed the program in a root directory the entire drive content will be deleted." ; |
| 16:34:27 | warmi | is there any way to change Qtopia background image ? |
| 16:34:36 | kergoth | rikkus: haha |
| 16:34:40 | mark | warmi: no, there is to change the Opie one though |
| 16:34:46 | mark | well thats not true |
| 16:34:47 | ljp_hates_QWest | warmi: install openzaurus |
| 16:34:55 | mark | you can copy the file to qpe-background.png (think thats what its called) |
| 16:34:58 | kergoth | openzaurus b9.6 is actually quite stable and usable now |
| 16:35:01 | rikkus | kergoth: I hope it means the entire previous installation, not the entire drive contents :} |
| 16:35:01 | mark | yeh |
| 16:35:02 | mark | it is |
| 16:35:09 | mark | vouches for kergoth |
| 16:35:18 | kergoth | mark: its now $QPEDIR/pics/launcher/opie-background.(png|jpg|xpm) |
| 16:35:21 | warmi | well, the problem is that at this point I have to be absolutely sure that stuff that works on OpenZaurus will also work on the original Sharp ROM |
| 16:35:47 | warmi | and I don't think Open Zaurus is 100% compatible yet |
| 16:35:49 | kergoth | warmi: its binary compatible. if you depend on libopie specifically however, you'd then need to install the libopie package on the sharp rom for your app to work. |
| 16:35:54 | ljp_hates_QWest | thats my job.. |
| 16:35:56 | mark | kergoth: k |
| 16:36:06 | mark | kergoth: you forwarded that mail? |
| 16:36:20 | warmi | yeah, I think I would have to avoid libopie |
| 16:36:49 | kergoth | warmi: unless you want an additional dependency. you could always staticly compile against it as long as you make a dynamicly built version available (libopie is lgpl) |
| 16:37:20 | warmi | koergoth: how about system wise ... sound drivers etc .. does this stuff work exactly the same as it doess on the Sharp kernel ? |
| 16:37:29 | kergoth | warmi: yes. the drivers are identical atm |
| 16:37:45 | ljp_hates_QWest | yep.. same crappy sound driver |
| 16:37:48 | mark | sound driver is crap |
| 16:37:48 | kergoth | hehe |
| 16:37:53 | kergoth | we |
| 16:37:56 | kergoth | 'll fix that eventually |
| 16:37:58 | warmi | hehe |
| 16:38:02 | mark | the amount of bloody background noise i get... |
| 16:38:13 | warmi | well, it does work reasonably well with SDL sound mixer |
| 16:38:31 | warmi | mark: it is not SoundBlaster 128 Live mind you |
| 16:38:33 | mark | warmi: i'm getting lots of backgorund noise in puzzle |
| 16:38:37 | warmi | but it is good enough |
| 16:38:45 | warmi | mark: cause I had a shitty sample :-) |
| 16:38:51 | ljp_hates_QWest | thinks about noise reduction in the sound driver... ;) |
| 16:38:54 | mark | i'm stuck on L5 atm |
| 16:38:55 | warmi | and I use Qsound which is even worse .. |
| 16:38:57 | warmi | heheh |
| 16:39:36 | warmi | I will never use QSound again for anything that has to be synchronized with anything else |
| 16:39:49 | warmi | learned my lesson with Puzzle |
| 16:40:16 | BigBoss | does the Z sync to linux yet? |
| 16:40:23 | Rince | with qtopia, yes |
| 16:40:32 | warmi | haha |
| 16:40:36 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:40:39 | kergoth | wait for kitchensync |
| 16:40:41 | kergoth | ;-) |
| 16:40:45 | HrAbbey | Does tkcKapitol sync with GnuCash yet? That't the only one I want "sync"ing |
| 16:40:50 | warmi | well, I never tried but after reading ZaurusZone .. I would say it does not |
| 16:41:14 | BigBoss | so they got the qtopia desktop running on linux? |
| 16:41:24 | BigBoss | I never bothered with the desktop software |
| 16:41:54 | BigBoss | why would tkcKapital sync with GnuCash? What it will do at some point is export QIF, which you should be able to import to GnuCash |
| 16:42:24 | warmi | yeah, ... QIF would be very usefull |
| 16:43:13 | ljp_hates_QWest | I've had no problems syncing since rom 1.02 |
| 16:43:28 | ljp_hates_QWest | except after I installed kde3 |
| 16:43:36 | HrAbbey | agreed. Qif = good. |
| 16:43:57 | HrAbbey | Just giving BigBoss a hard time... Sorry. |
| 16:44:15 | zecke|LoveCompaq | kergoth: the asked for Z = Sharp rom? |
| 16:45:06 | kergoth | zecke|LoveCompaq: ? |
| 16:45:22 | ljp_hates_QWest | bbl |
| 16:45:59 | mark | where is qt 3.1/e? |
| 16:46:14 | mark | can't find it on ftp.tt.com, but i know its there somewhere |
| 16:47:15 | zecke|LoveCompaq | kergoth: currently I'm supporting Opie on iPAQ cause this is what I've acces to. And ( SL5000D OZ3 ) |
| 16:48:00 | kergoth | zecke|LoveCompaq: yep I know. :-) oz3 works fine on sl5500 too fyi ;-) |
| 16:49:53 | zecke|LoveCompaq | cu |
| 16:58:34 | mark | kergoth: best way of taking a backup of /? |
| 16:59:40 | kergoth | mark: of the whole filesystem? |
| 16:59:44 | mark | yeh |
| 16:59:53 | mark | and also, why isnt' opie-gsmstool in the feed? |
| 16:59:59 | kergoth | mark: I wonder if ben's backup/restore app can backup installed applications. hm |
| 17:00:08 | kergoth | mark: you could use dd to grab the entire mtd device |
| 17:00:25 | kergoth | mark: dd if=/dev/mtdblock4 of=/mnt/cf/backup.initrd bs=1024; or something simliar |
| 17:00:35 | mark | then just flash the normal way? |
| 17:01:02 | kergoth | yep, you can flash it just like a normal initrd.bin |
| 17:01:10 | HrAbbey | The default backup / restore app just does a tar.gz of the /home I think. You looking for something fancy? (Like restoring w/ dd, which always worries me. ) |
| 17:01:24 | kergoth | HrAbbey: I'm referring to the backup/restore app written by ben meyer |
| 17:01:29 | kergoth | HrAbbey: its not the stock one |
| 17:01:34 | kergoth | HrAbbey: using dd works fine here |
| 17:01:46 | HrAbbey | kergoth: Ah. didn't know the difference. |
| 17:01:53 | kergoth | np |
| 17:01:57 | mark | i want to take a backup of my working / so that when I fsck it up again... :) |
| 17:02:02 | kergoth | HrAbbey: the source wasnt released to the existing one |
| 17:02:24 | kergoth | HrAbbey: so the wheel was reinvented, so to speak, |
| 17:02:26 | kergoth | hey Com[Plex] |
| 17:02:33 | mark | kergoth: sorry to nag, but that email... ;P |
| 17:02:58 | HrAbbey | kergoth: Unfortunate it had to come to that... |
| 17:02:59 | kergoth | mark: oh, thanks for reminding me |
| 17:03:06 | kergoth | HrAbbey: yes. its happened multiple times now |
| 17:03:25 | mark | yeh, like GNU |
| 17:03:58 | kergoth | mark: mark@houseofsomethingorother? |
| 17:04:00 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:04:04 | kergoth | i always forget your addy |
| 17:04:15 | mark | houseoffish.org |
| 17:04:36 | mark | kergoth: address books are there for a reason :) |
| 17:04:59 | kergoth | yeah but i always forget to back mine up |
| 17:05:16 | mark | hhe |
| 17:05:42 | kergoth | mark: sent |
| 17:06:41 | mark | kergoth: received, cheers |
| 17:07:01 | mark | kergoth: i quite fancy trying the qt3 snapshots actually |
| 17:07:16 | kergoth | yes, I'd like to try them out too |
| 17:07:27 | kergoth | going to replace the opie on your oz with qtopia 3? |
| 17:07:28 | kergoth | :-) |
| 17:07:33 | kergoth | or just qt3? |
| 17:07:34 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:07:46 | mark | i'm gonna try for qt3 |
| 17:07:47 | kergoth | re ljp |
| 17:07:50 | mark | qtopia 3 i mean |
| 17:07:54 | kergoth | cool |
| 17:08:03 | mark | i don't use any proprietry software |
| 17:08:48 | warmi | mark: not even games ? |
| 17:09:20 | mark | warmi: i got bored with SA, so no :P |
| 17:10:14 | warmi | I mean games on your dekstop machine .. like Quake etc .. |
| 17:10:16 | mark | oh, konqueror could be a pain |
| 17:10:17 | ljp | I need to work on my car, but its not sunny today... ;( |
| 17:10:24 | kergoth | mark: just rebuild it.. |
| 17:10:28 | mark | warmi: oh right, no |
| 17:10:40 | mark | kergoth: there are some rather big differences between qt3 and qt2 version of konq iirc |
| 17:11:06 | kergoth | ah |
| 17:11:15 | mark | warmi: and thats not a RMS type boycott, i just don't play games |
| 17:11:19 | mark | i'll speak to tron |
| 17:11:30 | kergoth | good idea |
| 17:11:48 | kergoth | winex is damn cool |
| 17:12:10 | ljp | I like cabernet, myself |
| 17:12:21 | warmi | ljp: you are truly renaissance man .. going from fixing your code to fixing your car |
| 17:12:38 | ljp | heheh ya.. jack of all trades |
| 17:12:51 | mark | winex == transgamings wine? |
| 17:12:57 | ljp | too cold tho... to work on my car |
| 17:13:05 | kergoth | mark: yeah. the directx stuff works well |
| 17:13:22 | mark | when is wineQT comming out? |
| 17:13:23 | kergoth | mark: course i had to create teh shit in their source tree to create the debian packages and the like.. |
| 17:13:31 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:14:43 | warmi | mark:what is wineQT ? |
| 17:14:52 | mark | i remember seeing a wine-devel message about the possible future use of different backends actually |
| 17:15:21 | mark | warmi: a joke |
| 17:16:16 | ljp | wineQT is me getting drunk on a bottle of wine |
| 17:16:16 | warmi | heh |
| 17:16:23 | ljp | and STILL being able to code in qt |
| 17:16:57 | warmi | well, QT runs on Win32 therefore you already have wineQT |
| 17:16:58 | warmi | heh |
| 17:17:08 | mark | hehe |
| 17:17:20 | warmi | assuming QT Win32 apps will run on wine |
| 17:17:31 | warmi | it is like chasing your own tail |
| 17:17:36 | warmi | never mind ... back to work |
| 17:17:51 | ljp | what we need is wineQtopia |
| 17:18:06 | mark | what I need is a fatter pipe |
| 17:18:15 | mark | qt-free 3 snapshot is 17Me |
| 17:19:03 | ljp | mark: talk to whardier.. he seems to know how to get fatter pipes |
| 17:19:07 | tux_mike` | quite |
| 17:19:42 | mark | they involve money |
| 17:20:03 | warmi | what pipe do you have now ? |
| 17:20:20 | warmi | 56 ? |
| 17:20:29 | mark | erm, its more a tube than a pipe |
| 17:20:29 | ljp | heh ya.. and dishes.. 3 of them |
| 17:20:46 | mark | one of those tiny tiny little tubes with a diameter of 3mm |
| 17:20:50 | mark | yes, 56k :) |
| 17:21:10 | warmi | and you want to send me money for Puzzle ? heheh |
| 17:21:28 | warmi | get yourself a bigger pipe |
| 17:21:44 | mark | i really can't justify 25 quid a month unfortunately |
| 17:21:45 | warmi | I assume cable would not be that more expensive than your average dialup account |
| 17:21:58 | mark | 20 quid more |
| 17:22:52 | warmi | sure, you can justify ... think of it as a neccesary tool .. something you need for your studies etc .. |
| 17:23:09 | mark | hehe |
| 17:23:21 | mark | they don't call this 'ripoff britain' for nothing :( |
| 17:24:09 | tux_mike` | damnit. my iced tea has too much iced and not enough tea |
| 17:24:19 | mark | and my would be cable provider doesn't let you run an http server, so i can't even say that I'd save my web hosting costs |
| 17:24:32 | warmi | huh .. iced tea is something I could never understand ... |
| 17:24:51 | mark | yeh, i dont get it either |
| 17:25:01 | tux_mike` | iced tea isn't too bad.. better when it's raspberry. even better when it's from long island :) |
| 17:25:05 | Neo|Work | is back (gone 16:09:50) |
| 17:25:08 | warmi | it must be hot for me to even consider it a tea |
| 17:25:26 | ljp | you would if you lived with 98 degree F temps in the summer |
| 17:25:33 | warmi | I do live |
| 17:25:42 | ljp | hheh oh ya |
| 17:25:52 | tux_mike` | ljp: he lives in chicago, it's either blistering hot or freezing cold |
| 17:25:53 | warmi | Chicago is extremely hot and humit during summer |
| 17:26:43 | warmi | still, if I am gonna drink tea it better be hot :-) |
| 17:27:11 | tux_mike` | i didn't like it too long ago, but it's beginning to grow on me |
| 17:27:17 | mark | brb, my isp are ab out to through me off. |
| 17:27:30 | kergoth | I drink iced tea too fast. it doesnt quench my thirst. |
| 17:29:33 | tux_mike` | hrm... i need to get my self a custom forged Master Sword form the Ocharina of Time |
| 17:29:48 | kergoth | ? |
| 17:30:05 | tux_mike` | never play it? |
| 17:30:17 | kergoth | what game? |
| 17:30:31 | tux_mike` | The Legend of Zelda, Ocarina of Time |
| 17:30:38 | tux_mike` | first zelda for N64 |
| 17:30:46 | mark | sodding hell, I can't even resume this download |
| 17:31:40 | kergoth | tux_mike`: ah |
| 17:31:46 | kergoth | tux_mike: i dont own a n64 |
| 17:31:56 | kergoth | tux_mike`: is a zelda coming out for gamecube? i'm pondering buying one of th ose |
| 17:32:04 | mark | anyone good with ftp? as in, how do I restart a download (what are the commands, how do I know where the restart point is?) |
| 17:32:17 | tux_mike` | the zelda for the game cube is using cell shading. it's a horrible horrible thing |
| 17:32:48 | kergoth | tux_mike: hmm |
| 17:32:50 | gonz | mark: nope, but it's well documented in the rfc i believe to remember |
| 17:34:00 | kergoth | oo i should test kismet now that i have libpcap built for o |
| 17:34:01 | kergoth | z |
| 17:34:51 | tux_mike` | do you have a wlan card? |
| 17:34:55 | mark | can someone with a reasonable pipe do me a favor? wget ftp://ftp.trolltech.com/qtopia/snapshots/qt-embedded-free-3.1.0-snapshot-20020516.tar.bz2 and put it somewhere I can grab it? |
| 17:34:56 | kergoth | yeah |
| 17:34:56 | kergoth | dlink |
| 17:35:13 | tux_mike` | and you got your z fixed |
| 17:35:16 | tux_mike` | i assume |
| 17:35:19 | kergoth | nope |
| 17:35:21 | kergoth | bought a 5500 |
| 17:35:29 | kergoth | it wouldve cost 350 just in parts man.. |
| 17:35:33 | kergoth | grumbles |
| 17:35:42 | tux_mike` | mm hrm |
| 17:35:55 | kergoth | so now I've got a 5000d thats basically a mp3 player, since its touchscreen doesnt do me much good |
| 17:35:56 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:36:53 | ljp | you should email the list on which apps need better keyboard support |
| 17:37:46 | ljp | hmmm QtScript.. wonder what thats all about |
| 17:51:39 | BigBoss | it's ECMAScript, previously known as JavaScript, previously known as LiveWire |
| 17:52:52 | tux_mike` | it's ok, if lasagna is italian for pile of crap! |
| 17:54:14 | hunger | kergoth: Remember that I had to reflash recently since 8MB went missing on /dev/mtdblock6? |
| 17:54:51 | hunger | kergoth: Had to do that agian yesterday. Is it possible that the driver is broken and does not free up the blocks of files removed? |
| 17:55:03 | hunger | kergoth: I was updating OPIE both times this happened. |
| 18:00:01 | kergoth | hunger: no idea.. unless your unit crashed at some point, because fsck.minix isnt being run atm. |
| 18:00:30 | kergoth | hunger: hmm |
| 18:00:53 | hunger | kergoth: It did not crash at all since I flashed OPIE onto it. |
| 18:01:27 | hunger | kergoth: I only see this problem when I'm upgrading OPIE. |
| 18:01:39 | kergoth | hunger: hmm, i dunno... |
| 18:01:41 | hunger | kergoth: At least that's when I notice the problem;-) |
| 18:04:49 | kergoth`lunch | hunger: absolute worst case you dont have to reflash, just full reset. it'll wipe the mtdblock6 with dd |
| 18:04:50 | kergoth`lunch | bbiaf |
| 18:06:31 | hunger | kergoth`lunch: I did a mke2fs and then reinstalled OPIE. |
| 18:07:09 | hunger | kergoth`lunch: No risc for the data (which is safely stored away on SD anyway), just a lot of work to reinstall all those ipks. |
| 18:29:43 | JasonNJ | kergoth`lunch: whazza |
| 18:30:19 | kergoth | JasonNJ: not much. hunger reported a really strange behavior with free space not being actually freed on mtdram.. but its not consistant.. i havent seen it. its weird. |
| 18:30:46 | kergoth | JasonNJ: I'm working on the wlansetup for the new drivers atm. thats all i need to do before releasing b10 |
| 18:30:59 | kergoth | finishes eating his sandwich |
| 18:32:09 | MSpin | hey JasonNJ, kergoth |
| 18:32:33 | kergoth | hey MSpin |
| 18:32:34 | kergoth | how goes it? |
| 18:32:42 | MSpin | I'm still waking up |
| 18:32:50 | kergoth | thats so not fair |
| 18:32:52 | kergoth | :-) |
| 18:32:58 | MSpin | I went to the non-freak SW showing last night |
| 18:33:04 | kergoth | ah... |
| 18:33:12 | kergoth | there was a non freak showing? |
| 18:33:22 | MSpin | it was the 12:15 showing |
| 18:33:25 | kergoth | ah gotcha |
| 18:34:41 | hunger | kergoth: You might want to add an icon for Settings/Medium Mount before b10. |
| 18:34:48 | JasonNJ | man what a day.. |
| 18:35:00 | JasonNJ | testing internal rom builds.. damn factory broke wlan-ng |
| 18:35:05 | kergoth | hunger: yeah, no one has bothered to create one. harlekin should |
| 18:35:08 | kergoth | JasonNJ: hah.. doh |
| 18:35:23 | JasonNJ | kergoth: you wanna figure out what they did to this one? |
| 18:35:25 | [DrEvil] | yay...my SD card arrived |
| 18:35:37 | JasonNJ | I am sure they messed with the usb and tcpip stack |
| 18:35:51 | kergoth | JasonNJ: ah, fun. i can take a look if you like |
| 18:35:53 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: nice |
| 18:35:59 | kergoth | i still need to pick up a sd card one of these days. |
| 18:35:59 | [DrEvil] | 128 meg |
| 18:36:04 | JasonNJ | let me put it up for ya. |
| 18:36:05 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: how much that run ya? |
| 18:36:07 | kergoth | JasonNJ: k |
| 18:36:12 | [DrEvil] | $94 |
| 18:36:29 | kergoth | cool. theyve come down a bit |
| 18:36:41 | [DrEvil] | yeah |
| 18:36:43 | [DrEvil] | Costco |
| 18:36:49 | kergoth | ill pick one up after closing on my townhouse is over, so i can afford it |
| 18:36:49 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:37:19 | [DrEvil] | now should I tempt fate and make a swap device on it? |
| 18:37:37 | kergoth | hah |
| 18:37:41 | kergoth | why? |
| 18:37:51 | [DrEvil] | *shrug* |
| 18:37:57 | [DrEvil] | other people claim to have done it |
| 18:38:19 | kergoth | i mean, for what? |
| 18:38:30 | [DrEvil] | I have run out of memory |
| 18:38:34 | kergoth | if you have memory issues, switch to paul's sd romimage or openzaurus with the nomtdram kernel |
| 18:38:47 | kergoth | then you'll have no ramdisk and all 32mb at your disposal |
| 18:38:47 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:38:55 | [DrEvil] | 64meg |
| 18:39:01 | [DrEvil] | heh |
| 18:39:02 | kergoth | yeah, whatever |
| 18:39:03 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:39:11 | [DrEvil] | I got bertha |
| 18:39:11 | kergoth | i dont think paul's rom supports 5500 yet |
| 18:39:22 | kergoth | you can use openzaurus with the nomtdram kernel to get all 64mb at your disposal though |
| 18:39:43 | [DrEvil] | now I need my Buffalo card to arrive |
| 18:39:44 | MSpin | [DrEvil]: what were you doing that caused you to run out of memory? |
| 18:39:51 | [DrEvil] | running programs |
| 18:39:57 | kergoth | heh. thats nuts |
| 18:39:58 | [DrEvil] | Konq was one of them |
| 18:40:04 | kergoth | i've never run out of ram on the 5500 |
| 18:40:20 | kergoth | but then i always use the 40-24 kernel.. 40mb of ram not 32 |
| 18:40:40 | MSpin | you can get some back by turning off 'fast load' on the PIM apps |
| 18:40:48 | [DrEvil] | ahh |
| 18:40:58 | [DrEvil] | I upgraded the ROM last night |
| 18:41:08 | [DrEvil] | the Q isn't as sensitve as it was |
| 18:41:36 | kergoth | the Q? |
| 18:41:46 | [DrEvil] | the Qtopia menu button |
| 18:42:07 | [DrEvil] | I'd tap it then Applications |
| 18:42:15 | [DrEvil] | and the menu would disappear too quickly |
| 18:42:24 | [DrEvil] | and I would be left staring at Image Viewer |
| 18:42:32 | kergoth | heh. thats annoying |
| 18:42:55 | [DrEvil] | tell me about it |
| 18:43:39 | [DrEvil] | now I need to reinstall all my apps |
| 18:43:58 | Gepeto | Heya kids :) |
| 18:44:13 | Gepeto | Hmm...I'm probably one of the youngest here... |
| 18:44:14 | Gepeto | shuts up |
| 18:44:16 | [DrEvil] | are there any SD/MMC readers that work with Linux? |
| 18:44:21 | [DrEvil] | are you 12? |
| 18:44:22 | BigBoss | I'm 17 |
| 18:44:25 | Gepeto | I'm 17 |
| 18:44:32 | Gepeto | [DrEvil]: yeah I guess |
| 18:44:37 | [DrEvil] | heh |
| 18:44:40 | Gepeto | USB ones should work with the |
| 18:44:43 | Gepeto | USB storage module |
| 18:44:46 | Gepeto | see what I mean? |
| 18:44:49 | Gepeto | I don't remember the "real" name |
| 18:44:59 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:45:03 | [DrEvil] | some do and some don't |
| 18:45:10 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: that dazzle 6-in-one i hear works fine with usb-storage |
| 18:45:16 | [DrEvil] | hrmmm |
| 18:45:17 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: though i dont have one myself |
| 18:45:24 | Gepeto | [DrEvil]: you're 12? |
| 18:45:33 | Gepeto | I remember when I was 11 in #palmchat hehe |
| 18:45:39 | [DrEvil] | did I say I was 12? |
| 18:45:41 | Gepeto | felt bad about saying my age cause everyone would be like...a KID! |
| 18:45:48 | kergoth | a KID! |
| 18:45:51 | kergoth | sorry |
| 18:45:53 | kergoth | couldnt help it |
| 18:45:57 | Gepeto | well I understand you kergoth |
| 18:45:58 | ljp_hates_QWest | oh.. no.. there's a KID here... |
| 18:45:59 | kergoth | :-P |
| 18:46:00 | [DrEvil] | a whippersnapper |
| 18:46:04 | kergoth | Gepeto: i'm a smartass. dont mind me |
| 18:46:05 | Gepeto | I'm myself the king of lame, predictable jokes |
| 18:46:11 | kergoth | Gepeto: thanks for the warning |
| 18:46:14 | ljp_hates_QWest | shhhhh.. the KIDS here |
| 18:46:22 | [DrEvil] | no more hot sex chat |
| 18:46:27 | Gepeto | yeah! |
| 18:46:32 | kergoth | wait for whardier to come in here and corrupt him |
| 18:46:33 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:46:48 | Gepeto | dammit my jaw still hurts |
| 18:46:55 | Gepeto | but as far as I can remember...nobody punched me lately |
| 18:46:56 | [DrEvil] | hmmm |
| 18:47:13 | kergoth | Gepeto: i dont want to know what you've been doing. |
| 18:47:33 | Gepeto | well I guess you're referring to sex, or ecstasy |
| 18:47:38 | Gepeto | gay sex at that |
| 18:47:44 | Gepeto | so I'll say, SHUSH, kid |
| 18:48:12 | [DrEvil] | youthful experimentation |
| 18:48:45 | MSpin | thats what they all say.... |
| 18:49:00 | tux_mike | finally found out where my trunk leaks |
| 18:49:05 | Gepeto | Will you wait for me while I go PUKE? |
| 18:49:12 | kergoth | Gepeto: no |
| 18:49:15 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:49:17 | [DrEvil] | swimming trunks? |
| 18:49:25 | Gepeto | [DrEvil]: haha ;) |
| 18:49:28 | kergoth | tux_mike`: your trunk leaks? what do you have in your trunk? |
| 18:49:38 | [DrEvil] | bodies |
| 18:49:45 | kergoth | yeah exactly what i was gonna say |
| 18:49:46 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:50:17 | kergoth | JasonNJ: flashing |
| 18:50:29 | Gepeto | doesn't watch kergoth while he does that |
| 18:50:43 | kergoth | hah. saw that coming :-) |
| 18:50:47 | Gepeto | goes to the kitchen to grab 875g of chicken wingsssss |
| 18:50:53 | Gepeto | kergoth: well as I said... 14:48 < Gepeto> I'm myself the king of lame, predictable jokes |
| 18:50:53 | BigBoss | i don't want to watch jason flash |
| 18:50:57 | [DrEvil] | bleah |
| 18:50:59 | BigBoss | that will give me nightmares |
| 18:50:59 | [DrEvil] | wings |
| 18:51:04 | [DrEvil] | too little, too much trouble |
| 18:51:06 | kergoth | BigBoss: lol |
| 18:51:16 | BigBoss | no offense Jason :) |
| 18:52:36 | JasonNJ | none taken |
| 18:52:43 | MEGASTeP | is back (gone 16:43:19) |
| 18:52:49 | fusion94 | smacks JasonNJ |
| 18:53:05 | JasonNJ | what the hell did I do wrong now |
| 18:53:16 | fusion94 | you get my latest email ? |
| 18:53:21 | JasonNJ | god I should have never taken this job |
| 18:53:23 | JasonNJ | yeah I got it |
| 18:53:38 | Gepeto | eats |
| 18:54:41 | JasonNJ | fusuion94: btw spencer is out by you |
| 18:54:42 | kergoth | I found a weird bug with the pcmcia-cs network script in oz3 |
| 18:54:44 | JasonNJ | in san fran |
| 18:54:44 | fusion94 | JasonNJ: k |
| 18:54:46 | JasonNJ | with miura |
| 18:54:51 | JasonNJ | didnt you know that |
| 18:54:51 | fusion94 | JasonNJ: ok |
| 18:54:57 | fusion94 | no freaking clue |
| 18:55:55 | mike` | kergoth: what is that? |
| 18:56:47 | kergoth | mike`: if dhcpcd is hung in the background about to timeout due to a network drop.. and you try to run cardctl eject or manually run /etc/pcmcia/network stop wlan0, it hangs for a LONGGGGG fucking time unless you manually kill the dhcpcd process |
| 18:57:09 | kergoth | tux_mike`: makes it a pain in the ass to recover from certain types of network drops quickly without waiting for dhcpcd to timeout |
| 18:57:31 | tux_mike` | hrm... |
| 18:57:34 | kergoth | it runs a number of ifuser commands to check the status of the network interface. those commands hang. |
| 18:57:40 | kergoth | I'll nail it down eventually |
| 18:58:41 | kergoth | its annoying because my 802.11 connection from my cube is very very intermittant |
| 18:58:55 | tux_mike` | if you regain connection, does it restore gracefully? |
| 19:00:04 | kergoth | no, dhcpcd will still remain hung, despite the connection being back |
| 19:00:08 | kergoth | ifconfig shows no ip |
| 19:00:25 | kergoth | i have to kill dhcpcd, /etc/pcmcia/network stop wlan0, /etc/pcmcia/network start wlan0; to bring it back |
| 19:00:35 | kergoth | but it doesnt always get into that state |
| 19:00:39 | kergoth | only occasionally |
| 19:00:39 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:00:59 | JasonNJ | kergoth: is is witht he rom I just gave you? |
| 19:01:04 | JasonNJ | so all of networking is busted then |
| 19:01:09 | kergoth | no, i'm talking about oz3 |
| 19:01:21 | kergoth | its a weird occasional bug i noticed with network connectivity that goes down regularly |
| 19:01:29 | kergoth | I'm bout to test the one you gave me |
| 19:04:05 | tux_mike` | anyone know how to turn down/off the disk write caching in linux? |
| 19:04:52 | kergoth | JasonNJ: this really pisses me off about flashing an ospack |
| 19:04:55 | kergoth | JasonNJ: ANY ospack |
| 19:05:06 | kergoth | JasonNJ: it turns itself on and starts booting before i hit full reset |
| 19:05:16 | kergoth | JasonNJ: and then the unit is on with the battery switch set to remove.. its weird |
| 19:05:32 | kergoth | JasonNJ: so i flick it back, and then off again to shut it off, and then full reset and boot and its fine |
| 19:10:22 | kergoth | JasonNJ: blinky lights. wireless never goes solid, so network settings app hangs while it tries to grab an ip. |
| 19:12:31 | kergoth | what the fuck |
| 19:12:44 | kergoth | JasonNJ: lsmod shows prism2_cs has a usage count of -2! |
| 19:13:44 | kergoth | JasonNJ: yeah, the driver is fucked. + /sbin/wlanctl-ng eth0 dot11reg_mibget mibattribute=dot11PrivacyOptionImplemented |
| 19:13:53 | kergoth | JasonNJ: wlanctl-ng: Operation not supported. |
| 19:17:47 | BigBoss | http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewItem&item=1730006506 |
| 19:17:55 | BigBoss | get one of these things to keep your Z charged on the road |
| 19:18:10 | kergoth | hah |
| 19:18:11 | kergoth | sweet |
| 19:18:14 | JasonNJ | kergoth can you email me a quick bug report with your observations |
| 19:18:31 | JasonNJ | jason@zaurus.com |
| 19:18:33 | kergoth | JasonNJ: will do. |
| 19:19:19 | JasonNJ | so all of wlan-ng is hosed |
| 19:19:56 | kergoth | basically |
| 19:20:04 | kergoth | I'm not sure why.. but I'm suspecting a driver problem |
| 19:20:20 | kergoth | modules shouldnt show a negative use count. if that number gets negative you'll never be able to unload the module |
| 19:20:21 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:23:50 | JasonNJ | ok but then why would the socket driver be toasted as wlan-ng is not used |
| 19:24:02 | JasonNJ | what does wlan-nag and wirlesstools have in common |
| 19:26:33 | mark | does casting a QCString to char* work as expected |
| 19:27:34 | MSpin | mark: you might do a const char* to be safe |
| 19:34:23 | numatrix | Why would somebody pay that much for a used item? You can get those chargers less new... |
| 19:34:52 | Gepeto | BACK |
| 19:36:18 | numatrix | Wow; sweet; case and charger in one: http://www.mco.co.il/solar/default.asp |
| 19:54:41 | JasonNJ | kergoth: where does syslogd and klogd put the messages file by default on the sharp rom? |
| 20:00:03 | mark | hi rikkus |
| 20:01:30 | numatrix | JasonNJ: I think it's /dev/null |
| 20:01:43 | numatrix | I don't think syslog is on by default. |
| 20:02:45 | numatrix | solar charger is at http://www.aurorasolar.com/merchant.ihtml?pid=2&step=4 |
| 20:02:48 | | numatrix: sorry... |
| 20:02:48 | numatrix | ibot: solar charter |
| 20:02:50 | | numatrix: what? |
| 20:02:50 | numatrix | ibot: solar charger |
| 20:03:04 | | solar charger is at http://www.aurorasolar.com/merchant.ihtml?pid=2&step=4 |
| 20:03:04 | numatrix | ibot: solar charger |
| 20:05:26 | JasonNJ | well I turned on syslogd and klogd |
| 20:06:04 | Gepeto | stupid pptp vpn |
| 20:06:26 | JasonNJ | gepto: you have pptp working with the Z? |
| 20:06:26 | Gepeto | anyone knows if I can (easily, without 34days of fooling around) connect to a pptp vpn from linux? |
| 20:06:35 | Gepeto | No I don't, I mean |
| 20:06:40 | Gepeto | I wanna do it frmo my desktop |
| 20:06:46 | Gepeto | and THEN I'll try to see if it can work frmo z :) |
| 20:06:53 | Gepeto | damn, typing FROM is hard today |
| 20:07:18 | JasonNJ | soem guy on the zaurus devel list said he got a vpn program caled zeebedeebe working on the z |
| 20:09:16 | Gepeto | Then let's see what zebedee can do |
| 20:13:00 | Gepeto | Argh I need a pptp client for linux |
| 20:14:03 | Gepeto | there's one.. |
| 20:14:17 | Gepeto | which consists of 3243 patches and stuff grr |
| 20:25:44 | kergoth | JasonNJ: after turning on syslogd & klogd you need to alter syslog.conf if you want most of the data.. it doenst keep most of it |
| 20:25:46 | kergoth | re |
| 20:26:13 | kergoth | I'll build freeswan one of these days for the Z |
| 20:26:22 | kergoth | i want vpn support. heh |
| 20:27:06 | Gepeto | Freeswan is IPsec, right? |
| 20:27:17 | kergoth | JasonNJ: i have no idea why both wlan-ng and the spectrum driver would be toast.. its odd |
| 20:27:19 | kergoth | Gepeto: yeah |
| 20:27:22 | Gepeto | Ok |
| 20:27:31 | Gepeto | see, at work, since I dont have totalllll control over everything |
| 20:27:33 | Gepeto | we use citrix |
| 20:27:35 | Gepeto | within PPTP |
| 20:27:38 | Gepeto | within IpSec |
| 20:27:47 | Gepeto | so getting that working from my Z would be a bit hard :| |
| 20:28:00 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:28:06 | kergoth | i dont like citrix much myself |
| 20:28:13 | Gepeto | Well I don't hate citrix |
| 20:28:18 | Gepeto | I just don't like pptp at all :| |
| 20:28:35 | Gepeto | IPsec like it is is fine, I set it up so that pretty much everyone who uses the VPN goes through it |
| 20:28:42 | kergoth | heh. we ned more networking capabilities for the Z anyway |
| 20:28:51 | Gepeto | but IF for some reason someone needed to access it from somewhere where there is no Ipsec |
| 20:28:55 | Gepeto | it'll work |
| 20:29:02 | kergoth | multicasting.. ip tunneling.. ipsec.. adhoc routing.. |
| 20:29:05 | kergoth | fun stuff |
| 20:29:26 | kergoth | whats that adhoc routing module.. |
| 20:29:29 | kergoth | i dont remember the name |
| 20:30:15 | kergoth | JasonNJ: I'm out of ideas on that rom you gave me.. I'll get you all the logging info i managed to dig up, then i'm flashing the prerelease of oz3b10 so i can finish up the wlan setup app |
| 20:34:25 | numatrix | kergoth: aodv? |
| 20:34:31 | kergoth | numatrix: ? |
| 20:34:36 | numatrix | the adhoc routing module |
| 20:34:43 | kergoth | ah yeah, thats the one |
| 20:34:46 | numatrix | :-) |
| 20:34:56 | kergoth | googles |
| 20:35:05 | kergoth | i dont know much about adhoc atm |
| 20:35:07 | numatrix | did in the first place... ;-) |
| 20:35:11 | numatrix | ditto |
| 20:35:12 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:35:31 | numatrix | Google's new logo: Look smart, even when you aren't! |
| 20:39:49 | kergoth | JasonNJ: my prism2_cs module has a usage count of -4 now |
| 20:39:52 | kergoth | JasonNJ: weird. |
| 20:44:01 | kergoth | re ljp |
| 20:44:13 | Gepeto | anyone tried qpose? |
| 20:45:23 | ljp_hates_QWest | re kergoth |
| 20:50:32 | mark | www.houseoffish.org/snapshot14.png |
| 20:50:59 | kergoth | nice :-) |
| 20:51:34 | mark | getting there, thats for sure |
| 20:51:47 | kergoth | yep |
| 20:51:54 | Rince | there is vim for zaurus? |
| 20:51:57 | Rince | nice :-) |
| 20:52:06 | kergoth | Rince: mark's porting kvim |
| 20:52:16 | Rince | nice :-) |
| 20:52:17 | mark | Rince: well you can always use vim in konsole |
| 20:53:09 | mark | heh, the menu item with all the syntax choices completely fills the screen |
| 20:53:13 | Rince | good :) |
| 20:53:21 | mark | and you can't get out of it |
| 20:54:00 | kergoth | lol |
| 20:55:04 | mark | problems: 1) that, 2) i'm missing a QWidget::repaint() somewhere still, not sure where 3) color backgrounds still aren't showing |
| 20:55:36 | kergoth | progress though. nice work |
| 20:56:37 | mark | its been a bitch |
| 20:57:12 | mark | why do i spend all my time on apps which have GUIs grafted in on top of them (you know, the type of app I really hate? :)) |
| 20:57:20 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:57:27 | kergoth | good question |
| 20:58:04 | ljp_hates_QWest | well.. you could continue on to commands like.. ohh. sed, or maybe modprobe and the like ;) |
| 20:58:19 | kergoth | shit |
| 20:58:24 | kergoth | busybox from cvs doesnt compile anymore |
| 20:58:26 | kergoth | bitches |
| 20:58:29 | mark | heh |
| 21:00:51 | ljp_hates_QWest | qsed |
| 21:01:01 | kergoth | nono |
| 21:01:03 | kergoth | qed |
| 21:01:04 | kergoth | heheh |
| 21:01:16 | mark | heh |
| 21:01:20 | mark | comming right up |
| 21:02:10 | ljp_hates_QWest | I would be happy if the modem driver for my laptop worked relyably... |
| 21:03:35 | ljp_hates_QWest | napster *sigh* |
| 21:03:47 | ljp_hates_QWest | qpester |
| 21:04:20 | ljp_hates_QWest | hmm lightning very close by... |
| 21:05:52 | Com[ANGRY | does the zaurus hav ssh built into the 1.13 rom? |
| 21:05:59 | Com[ANGRY | uh.. ssh server.. |
| 21:06:05 | Gepeto | No |
| 21:06:16 | ljp_hates_QWest | oz does |
| 21:06:27 | Com[ANGRY | k |
| 21:06:40 | ljp_hates_QWest | I think.. somewhere.. maybe in the fedd.. hmmm |
| 21:07:13 | Gepeto | damn, I'm poor |
| 21:07:16 | Gepeto | time for next thursday :\ |
| 21:19:36 | [DrEvil] | blah |
| 21:19:57 | [DrEvil] | so now that I got kismet working |
| 21:20:00 | [DrEvil] | I need to go hunting |
| 21:21:00 | kergoth | kismet's working? |
| 21:21:02 | MSpin | [DrEvil]: linksys card? |
| 21:21:07 | kergoth | i never did get it working on my sharp rom |
| 21:21:08 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:21:08 | [DrEvil] | yeah |
| 21:21:13 | MSpin | what'd ya do? |
| 21:21:31 | [DrEvil] | did you compile it yourself or did you download the source? |
| 21:21:43 | MSpin | I downloaded the ipk |
| 21:21:53 | [DrEvil] | there are 2 scripts that are not in the ipl |
| 21:21:55 | [DrEvil] | ipk |
| 21:21:58 | [DrEvil] | they are in the distro |
| 21:22:11 | kergoth | ah |
| 21:22:13 | kergoth | what scripts? |
| 21:22:13 | MSpin | ahh |
| 21:22:14 | [DrEvil] | apparently if you have a Prism2 card in WEP mode it wont work |
| 21:22:24 | [DrEvil] | prism2_monitor |
| 21:22:29 | [DrEvil] | prism2_unmonitor |
| 21:22:37 | kergoth | ah.. they're in my kismet ipk |
| 21:22:38 | MSpin | they are in tye ipk |
| 21:22:40 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:22:47 | MSpin | is there an echo in here? |
| 21:22:47 | [DrEvil] | I didn't see them in there |
| 21:22:51 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:22:58 | [DrEvil] | or at leas the one I downloaded |
| 21:23:21 | [DrEvil] | anyway |
| 21:23:26 | [DrEvil] | run those scripts and it will work |
| 21:23:33 | kergoth | hmm |
| 21:23:54 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: do you know if it works with wireless-tools? I donkt use wlan-ng on openzaurus. i havent had time to test it with pcap |
| 21:24:15 | [DrEvil] | dunno |
| 21:24:22 | [DrEvil] | it was capturing packets in pcap mode |
| 21:24:27 | [DrEvil] | just didn't do anything with them |
| 21:25:15 | kergoth | hmm k |
| 21:25:21 | kergoth | it wasnt capturing in prism2 mode? |
| 21:25:24 | JasonNJ | kergoth anything you want me to test on oz |
| 21:25:27 | [DrEvil] | no |
| 21:25:33 | [DrEvil] | not unless you run those scripts |
| 21:25:36 | JasonNJ | I have the japane engineeros working now on the sharp rom issue |
| 21:25:44 | JasonNJ | they verified the toasted driver stack |
| 21:25:46 | kergoth | JasonNJ: not yet, everything seems happy. I'm just finsihgin up the parsing code in wlansetup. |
| 21:25:46 | Gepeto | I want zaurus appps |
| 21:25:51 | kergoth | JasonNJ: ah glad they're working on it |
| 21:25:57 | kergoth | Gepeto: there are lots of them. heh. |
| 21:26:37 | Gepeto | kergoth: what do I installl |
| 21:26:43 | [DrEvil] | MSpin: know of anyone local that sells the Sharp serial cable? |
| 21:27:20 | kergoth | Gepeto: whatever yoiu want. heh |
| 21:27:41 | Gepeto | kergoth: suggest me stufffff |
| 21:27:44 | Gepeto | I'm bored :( |
| 21:27:47 | MSpin | [DrEvil]: nope |
| 21:28:07 | [DrEvil] | be nice to go wlan hunting with a GPS attached |
| 21:28:24 | MSpin | hehe |
| 21:28:31 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: remembery ou cant use the hardware keyboard with the serial cable |
| 21:28:32 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:28:44 | [DrEvil] | *shrug* |
| 21:28:48 | [DrEvil] | kismet isn't interactive |
| 21:28:59 | MSpin | I was quizing pengis about what info I could glean from what the t68 reports about cell towers |
| 21:29:14 | MSpin | kergoth: JasonNJ said they were redesigning the serial cable |
| 21:29:15 | [DrEvil] | oh |
| 21:29:17 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: point taken |
| 21:29:22 | [DrEvil] | speaking og which |
| 21:29:32 | [DrEvil] | what are your IrDA settings? |
| 21:29:40 | MSpin | what do ya mean? |
| 21:29:42 | kergoth | we need a wireless log viewer ala ethereal for the Z |
| 21:29:43 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:29:46 | [DrEvil] | for ATT |
| 21:29:48 | kergoth | s/wireless/ethernet/ |
| 21:30:04 | [DrEvil] | we need a nice frontend to kismet |
| 21:30:14 | kergoth | yes |
| 21:30:26 | kergoth | a qt interface instead of panel and curses owuld be nice |
| 21:30:27 | MSpin | [DrEvil]: that's on my list after wlanmon is happy and I get kistmet working:) |
| 21:30:38 | kergoth | MSpin: good, thats one less thing i have to do |
| 21:30:40 | kergoth | MSpin: hehe |
| 21:30:59 | [DrEvil] | MSpin: how did you set up AT&T GPRS on your Z? |
| 21:31:03 | MSpin | [DrEvil]: what setting? |
| 21:31:16 | MSpin | I jsut dial *99***1# |
| 21:31:18 | [DrEvil] | did you just put that special number in the phone num thing? |
| 21:31:25 | [DrEvil] | no other settings? |
| 21:31:27 | JasonNJ | AT and T has a GPRS service? |
| 21:31:35 | [DrEvil] | in some areas |
| 21:31:45 | MSpin | yup |
| 21:31:50 | MSpin | that' |
| 21:31:53 | MSpin | that's it |
| 21:32:00 | [DrEvil] | I converted MSpin |
| 21:32:01 | MSpin | worked out of the box once I found that |
| 21:32:05 | MSpin | LOL |
| 21:32:12 | [DrEvil] | I bought a t68 |
| 21:32:14 | MSpin | and I helped convert you to the Z |
| 21:32:17 | [DrEvil] | and everyone around be buys one |
| 21:32:18 | MSpin | so, we even |
| 21:32:25 | [DrEvil] | I am still not totally convinced on the Z |
| 21:32:47 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: I'm convinced on the hardware. the software needs work yet. |
| 21:32:48 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:32:54 | [DrEvil] | yes |
| 21:32:57 | [DrEvil] | that is how I feel |
| 21:33:00 | [DrEvil] | well |
| 21:33:01 | MSpin | yup |
| 21:33:09 | [DrEvil] | I would still like an external volume control |
| 21:33:18 | [DrEvil] | and a media remote |
| 21:33:32 | [DrEvil] | it is a PITA to turn the volume up/down while working out |
| 21:33:35 | kergoth | one thing i like about the clie.. the jog control |
| 21:33:43 | [DrEvil] | yeah |
| 21:33:53 | [DrEvil] | dunno if Sharp could use it without paying Sony |
| 21:33:55 | kergoth | if the Z had that you could use it as a volume |
| 21:33:56 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:33:57 | kergoth | yeah |
| 21:34:03 | tux_mike|server | kergoth: is there more places than just ZZ and myzaurus to download software for the z right now? |
| 21:34:18 | JasonNJ | ZSI |
| 21:34:20 | [DrEvil] | I think IBM tried to go after companies who imitated the Track Point |
| 21:34:22 | MSpin | ya |
| 21:34:25 | JasonNJ | www.killefiz.de/zaurus |
| 21:34:31 | [DrEvil] | I like the remoter control on the Clie |
| 21:34:49 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: still, jog dials have been around for a long time.. i dobut its sonys |
| 21:34:50 | kergoth | hey nasa |
| 21:34:54 | nasa | Hi |
| 21:35:15 | [DrEvil] | like Memory Sticks, sony is the only one really pushing it |
| 21:35:21 | JasonNJ | someone wrote an remote control app for opie... coll |
| 21:35:42 | nasa | missed you guys, what have I missed? |
| 21:35:44 | kergoth | yeah |
| 21:35:50 | W|GGL|T | sony has alot of products they sell really well though...they have a market for the memstick |
| 21:36:01 | kergoth | sony always keeps shit too proprietary |
| 21:36:06 | kergoth | like hte minidisc |
| 21:36:09 | kergoth | and memory stick |
| 21:36:09 | [DrEvil] | Memory Sticks are ok |
| 21:36:12 | kergoth | and beta for gods sake |
| 21:36:12 | [DrEvil] | but |
| 21:36:13 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:36:23 | [DrEvil] | try and get them to release their advanded MS stuff in the US |
| 21:36:29 | [DrEvil] | like GPS, Infostick |
| 21:36:48 | W|GGL|T | japan is always like that |
| 21:36:52 | W|GGL|T | with thier cars too |
| 21:37:03 | W|GGL|T | they keep all the good shit to themselves :o) |
| 21:37:11 | [DrEvil] | If they had released the Infostick, I might still have a Clie |
| 21:37:25 | [DrEvil] | they can't release a lot of cars here |
| 21:37:28 | [DrEvil] | due to emission laws |
| 21:37:29 | W|GGL|T | is away: I'm busy smoking a blunt or sleeping or something |
| 21:37:31 | [DrEvil] | and mpg rules |
| 21:37:46 | W|GGL|T | drevil: they can 'port' them tho |
| 21:37:55 | W|GGL|T | but they choose not to |
| 21:38:00 | [DrEvil] | but it wont be the same |
| 21:38:02 | [DrEvil] | like the WRX |
| 21:38:07 | [DrEvil] | it has more power in Japan |
| 21:38:16 | [DrEvil] | they have to detune it to meet US rules |
| 21:38:58 | W|GGL|T | awhile ago, they didn't have to even detune...rx7 supra 300zx |
| 21:39:31 | [DrEvil] | those get luxury taxed |
| 21:39:40 | W|GGL|T | they chose not to sell anymore because they cannot understand the american car market...selling $40k plus sports cars...hehe |
| 21:40:11 | W|GGL|T | almost ALL the jap sports cars disappeard, luxo and non |
| 21:40:21 | W|GGL|T | bbiab |
| 21:41:22 | [DrEvil] | american's want big engines in sports cars |
| 21:41:53 | JasonNJ | the nissan 300z was a great car |
| 21:41:55 | [DrEvil] | Detroit has conditioned them to believe that a small engine is not as good as a big one |
| 21:42:53 | JasonNJ | heh |
| 21:42:59 | JasonNJ | some little computer store owns nissan.com |
| 21:43:43 | [DrEvil] | but for how much longer |
| 21:43:56 | [DrEvil] | does Nissan own datsun.com? |
| 21:44:16 | JasonNJ | I thought that brand was dead for over 10 years |
| 21:44:39 | JasonNJ | datsun.com comes up |
| 21:45:05 | [DrEvil] | nissan is datsun |
| 21:45:07 | [DrEvil] | datsun is nissan |
| 21:45:41 | JasonNJ | heh its a joke page |
| 21:45:46 | JasonNJ | yes 20 years ago it was |
| 21:46:04 | JasonNJ | page pays teh datsun theme |
| 21:47:49 | tux_mike|server | anyone know where the lirc packages are? |
| 21:50:34 | [DrEvil] | is there a feed for the sourceforge Z projects? |
| 21:51:06 | kergoth | actually.. JasonNJ: will oxygen have a feed? |
| 21:51:41 | kergoth | hey treke |
| 21:52:21 | treke | hey |
| 22:05:09 | kergoth | JasonNJ: want oz3b10? everything is done except the wlansetup application, and mediummountgui still needs an icon. will be done with both by tonight or tomorrow. but it has the new opie build in it anyway |
| 22:13:59 | numatrix_home | is away: I'm not here. |
| 22:16:43 | hunger | kergoth: I just upgraded some opie packages. |
| 22:16:53 | hunger | kergoth: About 1MB just vanished:-( |
| 22:17:04 | kergoth | hmmm |
| 22:17:09 | kergoth | well i stripped them this time.. |
| 22:17:43 | hunger | kergoth: vanished in the sense that du -s gives a number 1MB less then df. |
| 22:17:48 | kergoth | ohhh |
| 22:17:49 | kergoth | on mtdram? |
| 22:17:51 | kergoth | or on / |
| 22:17:54 | kergoth | or sd? |
| 22:17:55 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:17:57 | hunger | kergoth: mtdram. |
| 22:18:00 | kergoth | thats insane |
| 22:18:08 | kergoth | minix is supposed to cleanup immediately |
| 22:18:16 | kergoth | try unmounting it, and running fsck.minix on it |
| 22:18:19 | kergoth | then remounting |
| 22:18:23 | hunger | kergoth: It's ext2 here. |
| 22:18:25 | kergoth | ah |
| 22:18:28 | kergoth | well same thing |
| 22:18:31 | kergoth | run fsck on it |
| 22:18:41 | kergoth | maybe it'll pick up on the prob |
| 22:18:58 | hunger | kergoth: The problem is that it does not like to be unmounted:-) I'll have to reboot. |
| 22:19:02 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:19:06 | kergoth | cant you just terminate opie? |
| 22:20:57 | hunger | /mnt/card/home/root# umount /mnt/ram/ |
| 22:20:57 | hunger | /mnt/card/home/root# e2fsck /dev/mtdblock6 |
| 22:20:57 | hunger | e2fsck 1.27 (8-Mar-2002) |
| 22:20:57 | hunger | /dev/mtdblock6 was not cleanly unmounted, check forced. |
| 22:21:07 | kergoth | hah |
| 22:21:08 | kergoth | weird |
| 22:21:13 | hunger | /dev/mtdblock6: 642/6144 files (1.1% non-contiguous), 18925/24576 blocks |
| 22:21:51 | kergoth | is that info on the blocks accurate? |
| 22:22:42 | hunger | kergoth: Yes, it looks good now. |
| 22:22:51 | kergoth | hmm |
| 22:22:53 | hunger | kergoth: du and df match up again. |
| 22:22:56 | kergoth | so it took a unmount & remount? |
| 22:23:01 | kergoth | weird. |
| 22:23:20 | kergoth | hey i wonder if you could have just done a sync;sync;sync;? |
| 22:23:25 | kergoth | hey fusion94 |
| 22:23:42 | fusion94 | werd |
| 22:23:44 | hunger | kergoth: I'll try that next time:-) |
| 22:24:34 | kergoth | hunger: k |
| 22:25:18 | hunger | kergoth: Any OPIE-updates in the queue that I can use to test;-) |
| 22:25:59 | kergoth | hunger: about to update advancedfm.. it was conflicting with another package.. thats about it |
| 22:26:16 | hunger | kergoth: And please get rid of /etc/ssh/sshd_not_to_be_run. I was wondering why sshd did not start for the last few days and just checked the init-script. |
| 22:26:29 | hunger | kergoth: What's advancedfm? |
| 22:27:17 | kergoth | hunger: hmm it shouldnt be created.. let me check my sanity |
| 22:27:27 | kergoth | hunger: its an alternate file manager.. ljp did it, its based on opieftp |
| 22:27:58 | Twiun | returns from watching episode II... |
| 22:28:17 | kergoth | Twiun: whats the verdict? |
| 22:28:24 | kergoth | I'm planning on waiting to see it a bit myself |
| 22:28:33 | treke | It had its moments. |
| 22:28:34 | Twiun | kergoth: Great special effects |
| 22:28:40 | kergoth | Twiun: well thats a given ;-) |
| 22:28:41 | Gepeto | Hey guys |
| 22:28:49 | Gepeto | let's say my SCHOOL wanted to show us Episode 2 pirate today |
| 22:28:50 | Twiun | but weak story - and entirely too much romance for my liking ;-) |
| 22:28:52 | treke | liked yoda laying the smack down |
| 22:28:52 | Gepeto | should I call the feds? |
| 22:28:58 | Twiun | Hahaha |
| 22:28:59 | Gepeto | like, I'm not saying it happened, but IF it happened? |
| 22:29:04 | Gepeto | and IF I hate my school |
| 22:29:09 | Gepeto | I have no reason not to do it, right? |
| 22:30:54 | kergoth | anyone want to test oz3b10? it doesnt have the updated wlansetup yet. but other than that, its ready |
| 22:31:32 | nasa | sure, love to. |
| 22:32:38 | kergoth | http://geezer.umgllc.net/kergoth/initrd-oz3b19pre.bin |
| 22:32:39 | kergoth | :-) |
| 22:33:08 | kergoth | er |
| 22:33:16 | kergoth | http://geezer.umgllc.net/kergoth/initrd-oz3b10pre.bin |
| 22:33:20 | kergoth | b10 not 19 |
| 22:33:21 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:33:50 | W|GGL|T | is back (gone 00:56:20) |
| 22:34:17 | nasa | Cool, will install in a little bit |
| 22:34:43 | kergoth | k. meanwhile i'll finish up the wireless config app, and see if i can get the oz3 kismet and pcap packages working |
| 22:37:46 | MS_away | fucking EE homework |
| 22:37:52 | Gepeto | EE? |
| 22:37:58 | kergoth | electrical engineering id say |
| 22:38:02 | Gepeto | Oh |
| 22:38:03 | MS_away | yesh |
| 22:38:04 | Gepeto | maybe :) |
| 22:38:18 | kergoth | MS_away: feel free to try oz3b10 when you're done ;-) |
| 22:38:23 | MS_away | these two requirements are a waste of time |
| 22:38:27 | MS_away | kergoth: will do:) |
| 22:38:29 | kergoth | what are ya workin on? |
| 22:38:44 | MS_away | I graduate June15th with a CompE degree |
| 22:38:50 | kergoth | ah.. nice |
| 22:38:57 | MS_away | just finished 5 pages of laplace transforms |
| 22:38:59 | kergoth | should get a degree |
| 22:39:08 | kergoth | fun fun |
| 22:39:12 | MS_away | no, not really:) |
| 22:39:13 | MS_away | hehe |
| 22:40:14 | kergoth | I'm going to steal some parsing code from the network setup app and use it to finsih the wireless.opts parsing code in wlansetup.. then I'll do the official b10 release |
| 22:40:14 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:40:40 | Gepeto | where do I find advancedfm? |
| 22:40:45 | Gepeto | Opie? |
| 22:43:19 | Twiun | thinks of something to discuss... |
| 22:43:39 | Twiun | I know! |
| 22:44:11 | Twiun | sings: Doom, di, di, Doom.... Java! |
| 22:44:25 | Twiun | feels reckless... |
| 22:44:35 | Twiun | downloads the doom source... |
| 22:44:49 | Twiun | gets his Java gloves on... |
| 22:45:03 | kergoth | Gepeto: yeah its part of opie |
| 22:45:06 | kergoth | Twiun: you look bored |
| 22:45:16 | Twiun | gets scolded for blaspheming against the mighty power of Doom in C |
| 22:45:25 | Twiun | kergoth: Nah... overactive imagination |
| 22:45:51 | Twiun | that movie left me unfulfilled... |
| 22:45:57 | Twiun | I hate movies like that |
| 22:46:12 | kergoth | that sucks |
| 22:46:16 | kergoth | I'm not picky |
| 22:46:21 | kergoth | I tend to like just about everything |
| 22:46:21 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:46:45 | kergoth | hmmmm it looks like the network configuration app actually supports pcmcia schemes.. |
| 22:46:49 | kergoth | but how to make it work |
| 22:46:50 | Twiun | Ooooo |
| 22:47:18 | kergoth | so you could switch from Home to Work and shit easily.. thatd be cool |
| 22:50:59 | Neo|Work | is away: I'm busy |
| 22:51:21 | Neo|Work | is back (gone 00:00:05) |
| 22:53:17 | Gepeto | opie-filebrowser is that the advancedfm? |
| 22:53:24 | Gepeto | (I hate the built-in fm, I need something gooood) |
| 22:53:55 | kergoth | there's two. opie-filebrowser replaces the old one. advancedfm is just another alternatvie one. there are two filemanagers in opie |
| 22:54:09 | Gepeto | hrm |
| 22:54:13 | Gepeto | looks through the packages again |
| 22:54:30 | kergoth | no opie-, just advancedfm |
| 22:54:58 | Gepeto | advancedfm_1.5.0 ahhh |
| 22:55:02 | Gepeto | yeah just saw that :) |
| 22:55:53 | kergoth | wtf is wrong with hwclock |
| 22:55:59 | kergoth | its looking for /dev/misc/rtc instead of /dev/rtc |
| 22:56:00 | kergoth | grr |
| 22:56:09 | Rince | sounds like devfs |
| 22:56:11 | W|GGL|T | now has no /boot ... wtf |
| 22:56:58 | Gepeto | is colddd |
| 23:01:02 | kergoth | ah fuck |
| 23:01:04 | kergoth | shit |
| 23:01:05 | kergoth | shit |
| 23:01:05 | kergoth | shit |
| 23:01:10 | Gepeto | check your language! ;) |
| 23:01:14 | kergoth | yep, its good |
| 23:01:20 | kergoth | i checked |
| 23:01:21 | kergoth | :-) |
| 23:01:29 | kergoth | ive got problems.. |
| 23:01:39 | kergoth | in oz3 it cant save the time to the hardware clock anymore |
| 23:01:40 | Gepeto | moves his head to the beats of Roni size |
| 23:01:58 | kergoth | because the atd alarm daemon holds control of the rtc device |
| 23:02:00 | kergoth | grr |
| 23:06:04 | kergoth | ah ha! |
| 23:06:11 | kergoth | i found the problem with time being flaky in oz3 |
| 23:06:21 | kergoth | hunger: i found our UTC time lost oddity problems :-) |
| 23:06:33 | kergoth | hunger: and whats more, i can fix it |
| 23:08:55 | kergoth | ljp_mobile: i found out how to fix our odd time behaviors in oz :-) |
| 23:08:57 | hunger | kergoth: It's fixed as far as I am concerned:-) |
| 23:09:06 | hunger | kergoth: But shoot: What's messing things up? |
| 23:09:58 | kergoth | hunger: well it turns out hwclock is useless when atd is running. atd grabs ahold of the rtc and doesnt let go. opie's global writeHWClock() function is setup to fall back to hwclock only if it cant tell the atd to write the time setting itself.. so it turns out, the systemtime app actually writes to the hardware clock as ssoon as you hit OK |
| 23:10:06 | ljp_mobile | cool.. it seems to be working for me also.. except that first boot |
| 23:10:16 | kergoth | hunger: so anyway.. somewhere along the line /var/spool/at is being blown away.. and its fucking up atd |
| 23:10:28 | kergoth | hunger: so 1) we uninstall util-linux-hwclock |
| 23:10:30 | ljp_mobile | ahhh so that I hit I found clued you in, eh? |
| 23:10:40 | ljp_mobile | int |
| 23:10:43 | ljp_mobile | hint |
| 23:10:50 | kergoth | hunger: and 2) ensure /var/spool/at isnt blown away by whatever is killing it.. |
| 23:10:53 | kergoth | and then we're happy |
| 23:10:55 | kergoth | ljp_mobile: yup |
| 23:11:11 | ljp_mobile | cool.. I saw that.. and thought... hmmmmmmmmm I wonder...... |
| 23:11:20 | kergoth | ljp_mobile: i found my way into systemtime sources.. realize it should be saving it to the hardware clock immediately... which confused me. hehe |
| 23:11:28 | kergoth | yeah |
| 23:11:31 | ljp_mobile | it was the 'custom' that set me off |
| 23:11:39 | kergoth | yeah |
| 23:11:44 | kergoth | where it writes a 'W" for custom atd |
| 23:11:47 | kergoth | or whatever |
| 23:11:56 | ljp_mobile | ya.. thats it |
| 23:12:03 | kergoth | so no more hwclock until we make opie start altering rtc directly |
| 23:12:07 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:12:24 | ljp_mobile | hmmm ok |
| 23:12:56 | kergoth | hwclock is too low level. we're supposed to work through the atd to get anything done with the rtc |
| 23:13:09 | kergoth | for now anyway |
| 23:13:11 | ljp_mobile | ahhhh |
| 23:13:43 | ljp_mobile | well.. I guess that calls for a rum and coke.. ;) |
| 23:13:52 | kergoth | hehe. after work, ANYTHING calls for a rum & coke |
| 23:13:54 | kergoth | :-) |
| 23:14:19 | Gepeto | looks at a Montécristo #4 |
| 23:14:20 | kergoth | ljp_mobile: i was looking through the netsetup sources.. did you know it supports pcmcia schemes? |
| 23:14:25 | Gepeto | anything calls for that? :) |
| 23:14:29 | kergoth | ljp_mobile: I was wondering how the hell to use its ability |
| 23:14:33 | kergoth | ljp_mobile: heh |
| 23:15:51 | kergoth | i hate non-static functions that arent within an anonymous namespace. thats caused headaches in the past. |
| 23:16:06 | kergoth | s/non-static functions/non-static global functions/ |
| 23:16:15 | ljp_mobile | hmmm |
| 23:16:30 | ljp_mobile | schemes? in what way? like with different devices? |
| 23:16:51 | kergoth | no.. like being able to quick switch between your wireless and tcpip configuration for .. say.. Home, and then Work, with a few clicks. |
| 23:17:13 | kergoth | its supported by pcmcia .. but i was going to add support to select which scheme you're using in netsetup when i realized it already supports it |
| 23:17:35 | kergoth | I suspect that we're supposed to use the netmon applet to select the scheme for a given networkInterface |
| 23:17:39 | kergoth | or somethign along those lines |
| 23:18:07 | ljp_mobile | hmmm |
| 23:18:47 | kergoth | but I dont really understand how Qt Interfaces work yet.. |
| 23:18:53 | kergoth | so I need to reread |
| 23:20:46 | Neo|Work | woo. SA is features on myzaurus.com |
| 23:20:52 | kergoth | nice :-) |
| 23:20:54 | nyargh | hey |
| 23:20:59 | nyargh | anyone got lirc working on the Z yet? |
| 23:34:32 | Twiun | Yikes, the doom source looks nasty ;-) |
| 23:34:47 | Gepeto | Twiun: you trying to port it? :DD |
| 23:35:25 | Twiun | I'm seriously thinking of it yeah - none of the java ones I've found on the net seemed to have tried using the original doom source |
| 23:35:43 | Twiun | loves int arithmetic... |
| 23:35:57 | Twiun | woohoo, bit-shifting galore! |
| 23:37:12 | Twiun | this'll take me a month or two I think |
| 23:37:20 | Gepeto | as long as it works :) |
| 23:37:22 | Twiun | finally, a project to get my teeth into |
| 23:37:41 | Gepeto | :) |
| 23:37:48 | Twiun | around 60 odd files to port |
| 23:37:56 | Gepeto | shakes |
| 23:38:00 | Gepeto | is coldldldldlc COLD |
| 23:38:02 | Twiun | may have to trash the sounds though... |
| 23:38:06 | Gepeto | just drank WAY Too much milk :) |
| 23:38:09 | Twiun | hehe |
| 23:38:24 | Twiun | although... |
| 23:38:37 | Twiun | maybe I can use the applet sound playing stuff |
| 23:38:51 | Twiun | gets his javadoc... |
| 23:41:36 | Twiun | Yeah, I should be able to use that... |
| 23:41:45 | Twiun | probably kills performance though |
| 23:42:26 | Twiun | anyway... time for some sleep - have to listen to the CTO babble on tomorrow at 9:30 |
| 23:42:31 | Twiun | screams |
| 23:43:15 | d_Eric | Twiun[away]: Doom was supposed to be super-easy to port |
| 23:43:59 | Twiun | d_Eric: Yeah - between platforms... no-one said anything about languages :-) |
| 23:44:15 | d_Eric | good point |
| 23:44:23 | d_Eric | but isn't C good enough for you?!?? |
| 23:44:38 | Twiun | It's more the other way round |
| 23:44:53 | d_Eric | lol |
| 23:45:03 | Twiun | I've been spoiled by the java syntax |
| 23:45:14 | Twiun | so why not do a java one, just for the fun of it |
| 23:45:46 | Twiun | I've tried a raycasting demo (full of floats) doing 4fps on the Z |
| 23:45:56 | d_Eric | Z no have float support |
| 23:46:06 | Twiun | if that was done in int, it'd probably go at 10-15fps |
| 23:46:29 | Twiun | d_Eric: Exactly - and even on todays machines, going int in java is way better |
| 23:46:44 | nyargh | yup |
| 23:46:44 | d_Eric | Twiun: I would agree, except the only reason the int math works at all is because you can get access to 64-bit muldiv, plus a 33rd bit from the "carry flag" |
| 23:46:50 | nyargh | hey |
| 23:46:53 | nyargh | anyone got LIRC working on the Z? |
| 23:46:55 | nyargh | IR driver? |
| 23:46:57 | nyargh | eh? |
| 23:47:03 | Twiun | nyargh: no idea |
| 23:47:24 | jusdisgi | been working on lirc on an ipaq... |
| 23:47:33 | nyargh | yah, i know it's on the ipaq feed |
| 23:47:34 | nyargh | :/ |
| 23:47:41 | jusdisgi | with not a lot of success... |
| 23:47:44 | jusdisgi | it works...i think |
| 23:47:46 | d_Eric | with fixed-point math (int), *all* multiplies overflow. and I'm not sure how to get the top 32 bits of a 32x32 multiply in java |
| 23:47:56 | nyargh | d_Eric: not on the arm |
| 23:48:08 | nyargh | d_Eric: you can do 32x32 -> 64 mults on the SA1110 |
| 23:48:18 | d_Eric | nyargh: yes. most 32 bit cpus let you do that |
| 23:48:27 | d_Eric | but most 32 bit high level languages do *not* |
| 23:48:33 | nyargh | well |
| 23:48:33 | Twiun | d_Eric: you have a point... wonder how java handles it |
| 23:48:35 | nyargh | not java for sure |
| 23:48:37 | d_Eric | including C and (i think) java |
| 23:48:40 | Twiun | d_Eric: I've never worried about it |
| 23:49:15 | Twiun | d_Eric: why not use longs instead of ints, and waste some of the capacity? |
| 23:49:28 | d_Eric | that's probably what you'd have to do. |
| 23:50:03 | d_Eric | how big are java longs? |
| 23:50:03 | Twiun | d_Eric: this is going to be some messy code... there isn't really any support for fixed point in java |
| 23:50:09 | Twiun | d_Eric: 64bits |
| 23:50:18 | d_Eric | interesting |
| 23:50:18 | Twiun | d_Eric: like I said... bit of a waste |
| 23:50:28 | d_Eric | Twiun: actually, no fixed point support in C either |
| 23:50:36 | d_Eric | but addition & subtraction Just Work |
| 23:50:41 | Twiun | d_Eric: Yeah, I saw the doom code ;-) |
| 23:50:44 | d_Eric | and you use functions for multiple and divide |
| 23:50:57 | Twiun | d_Eric: No different from using BigDecimal classes in java then |
| 23:51:16 | d_Eric | Twiun: yes different -- no type checking |
| 23:51:28 | d_Eric | fixed_point_number ++ <--- doesn't do what you think it will |
| 23:51:40 | Twiun | d_Eric: yeah |
| 23:52:05 | Twiun | I'll see if there's already something available on the web... |
| 23:52:15 | d_Eric | i think doom/Z would be super-cool though. especially net-games over the IR port :p |
| 23:52:52 | Twiun | hmmm... found a 16:16 fixed point library already |
| 23:53:01 | Twiun | for mobile phones ;-) |
| 23:53:20 | d_Eric | wow |
| 23:53:37 | Twiun | http://www.ai.mit.edu/people/hqm/imode/fplib/ |
| 23:53:58 | Twiun | ooer and it does trig too |
| 23:54:25 | Twiun | and FP<->int |
| 23:54:38 | Gepeto | FB<->Father |
| 23:54:42 | Gepeto | (for those who read fark....) |
| 23:54:48 | Gepeto | (had to say it) |
| 23:55:02 | d_Eric | you could do cool lighting effects by changing the backlight power |
| 23:55:18 | Gepeto | yeah :) hehe |
| 23:55:26 | d_Eric | can user-mode programs control the backlight ? |
| 23:55:29 | Twiun | d_Eric: yeah... wonder if I have to go native for that, or if I can do it any other way |
| 23:55:35 | d_Eric | echo "bright" > /dev/backlight |
| 23:55:51 | Gepeto | ;) |
| 23:56:01 | Twiun | d_Eric: Cool ;-) here comes the Boss key ;-) |
| 23:56:20 | Gepeto | boss keys |
| 23:56:21 | Gepeto | ahhh |
| 23:56:25 | Gepeto | the good old days hehe |
| 23:56:29 | Gepeto | before alt-tab existed ;) |
| 23:57:00 | Twiun | d_Eric: and another one... more feature full: http://home.rochester.rr.com/ohommes/MathFP/ |
| 23:57:53 | d_Eric | eric = impressed << FIXED_SHIFT; |
| 23:58:07 | Twiun | Hehe |
| 23:58:21 | Twiun | now, I *will* get some sleep ;-) |
| 23:58:28 | Twiun | waves |
