| 00:01:49 | ljp_hatesQWestPh | you finally got that,eh? |
| 00:07:10 | Gepeto | sigh |
| 00:07:15 | Gepeto | strategic assault music is... |
| 00:07:21 | Gepeto | dangerous for your health |
| 00:10:06 | Twiun | gnight peeps |
| 00:12:34 | nmendes | cya! |
| 00:20:06 | whardier | woot |
| 00:20:08 | whardier | fully retrieved |
| 00:20:13 | Gepeto | now go try it :) |
| 00:23:04 | ljp_hatesQWestPh | that only took/.. 3 hours.. ? |
| 00:23:43 | Gepeto | nah |
| 00:23:46 | Gepeto | it was only 25megs |
| 00:23:50 | ljp_hatesQWestPh | hehoh |
| 00:24:02 | Gepeto | ? |
| 00:24:45 | ljp_hatesQWestPh | hehehe oh.. my thumbs don't seem to always work that well |
| 00:24:58 | ljp_hatesQWestPh | so I tend to get runonsentences |
| 00:25:13 | Gepeto | Uh uh :) |
| 00:25:34 | ljp_hatesQWestPh | hehee |
| 00:27:53 | whardier | heh |
| 00:27:59 | whardier | your nick keeps changing |
| 00:28:31 | ljp_hatesQWestPh | so does my computer |
| 00:28:48 | ljp_hatesQWestPh | now I'm dialed up from my laptop |
| 00:42:06 | kend-zaur | re |
| 00:44:47 | ljp_quark | hi |
| 00:44:57 | kend-zaur | what's quark? |
| 00:45:00 | Gepeto | whardier: so? did you try that? :) |
| 00:45:14 | ljp_quark | quark is a weird particle |
| 00:45:25 | Gepeto | a quark |
| 00:45:27 | Gepeto | isn't that |
| 00:45:34 | Gepeto | a part of an atom core? |
| 00:45:42 | ljp_quark | not really. |
| 00:45:43 | Gepeto | (dont know the english names for that) |
| 00:45:47 | Gepeto | (but you see what I mean?) |
| 00:45:55 | Gepeto | part of a proton then? |
| 00:46:14 | MSpin | quarks are part of all subatomic particles, right? |
| 00:46:18 | ljp_quark | a quark is a particle that can travel from one point to another without moving through the space between |
| 00:46:36 | Gepeto | I thought a quark was just what protons were made of |
| 00:47:08 | ljp_quark | heh may be |
| 00:47:49 | Gepeto | I love tungsten carbide |
| 00:48:12 | Gepeto | Especially watches made with it :) |
| 00:48:32 | Gepeto | 's new toy ;) |
| 00:50:15 | ljp_quark | heh |
| 00:50:39 | ljp_quark | I knew I guy that used to work for Teledyne Tungsten |
| 00:51:42 | [DrEvil] | oh look |
| 00:51:45 | [DrEvil] | it's MSpin |
| 00:52:23 | [DrEvil] | hey |
| 00:52:31 | mini_me | heheh |
| 00:52:32 | [DrEvil] | that's the name of my Z when I am online from it |
| 00:52:39 | mini_me | haha funy |
| 00:53:24 | ljp_quark | I'm hungry |
| 00:53:29 | [DrEvil] | eat |
| 00:53:39 | ljp_quark | could someone order me a pizza? |
| 00:53:55 | MSpin | heh |
| 00:53:58 | [DrEvil] | I'm sure they could |
| 00:54:00 | MSpin | *that* was wierd |
| 00:54:05 | [DrEvil] | but would they? |
| 00:54:08 | ljp_quark | I'm too laxy to go to the Papa Johns web site |
| 00:54:10 | MSpin | took me a sec there |
| 00:54:25 | [DrEvil] | took you more than a sex |
| 00:54:27 | [DrEvil] | sec |
| 00:54:30 | [DrEvil] | damn keyboard |
| 00:54:45 | MSpin | [DrEvil] finally ditched that sony PDA thingy |
| 00:54:45 | MSpin | heh |
| 00:54:48 | ljp_quark | hmmmm depends on who the sex is with |
| 00:54:55 | kend-zaur | clie? |
| 00:55:01 | [DrEvil] | I still like the Clie |
| 00:55:01 | MSpin | I'll take half credit for his conversion:) |
| 00:55:19 | [DrEvil] | I am still deciding on my like of the Z |
| 00:55:32 | Gepeto | I like My Z, hate the software available for now |
| 00:55:35 | [DrEvil] | I want apps! I want BlueTooth! |
| 00:55:43 | Gepeto | I want action names |
| 00:55:45 | [DrEvil] | give me those and I will be happy |
| 00:55:54 | Gepeto | and a lemmings game :) |
| 00:56:01 | kend-zaur | heh |
| 00:56:02 | [DrEvil] | I want Monopoly |
| 00:56:03 | Gepeto | and another launcher ! |
| 00:56:05 | [DrEvil] | and Acantgo |
| 00:56:06 | ljp_quark | I'm thirsty can someone get me a drink of water? |
| 00:56:07 | [DrEvil] | Avantgo |
| 00:56:09 | [DrEvil] | yes |
| 00:56:11 | [DrEvil] | another launcher |
| 00:56:14 | Gepeto | ljp_quark: I guess I can |
| 00:56:15 | [DrEvil] | something really sexy |
| 00:56:24 | ljp_quark | heheh ok |
| 00:56:34 | [DrEvil] | a tricorder simulator would be cool |
| 00:56:34 | Gepeto | want a coke? |
| 00:56:35 | [DrEvil] | heh |
| 00:56:38 | [DrEvil] | hmmm |
| 00:56:51 | [DrEvil] | a WLAN sniffer/tool that looks like a tricorder |
| 00:56:52 | [DrEvil] | fun |
| 00:56:58 | kend-zaur | hm.. simpsons on. time to go! |
| 00:57:00 | kend-zaur | bbl! |
| 00:57:20 | jacques | hi all, does the zaurus have a reflective LCD screen? |
| 00:57:24 | Gepeto | jacques: eys of course |
| 00:57:25 | Gepeto | eys |
| 00:57:27 | Gepeto | YES dammit |
| 00:57:37 | jacques | cool thanks |
| 00:57:41 | [DrEvil] | MSpin: I can convert myself back to the Clie if I want for the next 2.someodd years |
| 00:57:55 | MSpin | [DrEvil]: heheh |
| 00:58:51 | ljp_quark | ya, Jacques, it makes it possible to view it out in the sun... just need to tip it a bit |
| 00:58:54 | [DrEvil] | I ordered a Buffalo WLAN card today |
| 00:59:09 | ljp_quark | I'm ordering a Papa Johns pizza |
| 00:59:29 | [DrEvil] | are you going to order enough to share with the rest of us? |
| 00:59:41 | ljp_quark | sure.. c'mon over |
| 01:00:09 | ljp_quark | whardier might make it here before the develiery guy does |
| 01:01:14 | jacques | cool, like the ipaq |
| 01:01:16 | ljp_quark | gets the one that includes Coke, so he can drink some rum with his pizza |
| 01:01:32 | Gepeto | dont talk about alcohol |
| 01:01:37 | Gepeto | I am unable to drink since a week |
| 01:01:43 | ljp_quark | heheh why- you under age? |
| 01:01:52 | Gepeto | Yeah, but that's not a problem at all hehe |
| 01:02:00 | jacques | papa johns is my favorite delivery pizza |
| 01:02:10 | Gepeto | I just...well, drank way way too much a week ago now I take a sip of a beer and it wants to go up |
| 01:02:23 | ljp_quark | Jacques: me too.. besides a local place here |
| 01:02:40 | ljp_quark | hhheee beer will do that to you |
| 01:03:02 | [DrEvil] | bleah |
| 01:03:03 | [DrEvil] | beer |
| 01:03:13 | ljp_quark | hehehe ya.. I remember college |
| 01:03:24 | Gepeto | that wasnt beer... |
| 01:03:26 | Gepeto | it was amaretto |
| 01:03:30 | [DrEvil] | swill |
| 01:03:30 | Gepeto | in very big quantities |
| 01:03:35 | Gepeto | had school the day after... |
| 01:03:41 | ljp_quark | hmm amaretto is too sweet |
| 01:03:45 | Gepeto | longest day of my life |
| 01:04:00 | ljp_quark | anything with sugar in it will make you sick |
| 01:04:03 | Gepeto | ljp_quark: take about 25oz of amaretto, yes it is too sweet |
| 01:04:09 | Gepeto | I haven,t been sick, just really fubar |
| 01:04:15 | ljp_quark | I stick to rum and wine |
| 01:04:21 | ljp_quark | and bloody mary's |
| 01:04:32 | [DrEvil] | I don't think Amaretto was meant to be consumed in a large quantity |
| 01:04:53 | ljp_quark | hahahahaha.. I agree |
| 01:04:55 | Gepeto | I don't think either |
| 01:05:04 | Gepeto | it's not my fault if my friends bought me a 40oz for my birthday |
| 01:05:05 | Gepeto | hehe |
| 01:05:26 | ljp_quark | man just thinking about that makes my stomach turn |
| 01:05:40 | Gepeto | well now you understand why I can't drink anymore :\ |
| 01:06:12 | ljp_quark | heheh |
| 01:06:20 | ljp_quark | drink rum.. its good for ya |
| 01:06:38 | [DrEvil] | shiver me timbers and all that |
| 01:07:07 | Gepeto | no rum |
| 01:07:12 | Gepeto | well not for the next week |
| 01:07:13 | Gepeto | ok |
| 01:07:15 | Gepeto | not until friday |
| 01:07:15 | ljp_quark | yep.. you! walk the plank! |
| 01:07:26 | [DrEvil] | I miss the remote on the Clie |
| 01:07:33 | [DrEvil] | and the hold button |
| 01:07:37 | [DrEvil] | and jog dial |
| 01:07:39 | [DrEvil] | *sigh* |
| 01:07:47 | Gepeto | Yeah I was sad when I saw the Z had no jog dial |
| 01:07:50 | ljp_quark | clie has a jog wheel? |
| 01:07:59 | Gepeto | yeah |
| 01:08:00 | MSpin | that would be cool |
| 01:08:06 | ljp_quark | as in video editing jog wheel? |
| 01:08:17 | MSpin | as in a thumb wheel |
| 01:08:19 | [DrEvil] | no |
| 01:08:22 | Gepeto | as in thumb wheel |
| 01:08:26 | [DrEvil] | just a little roller on the side for scrolling |
| 01:08:26 | MSpin | hehe |
| 01:08:32 | ljp_quark | oohh |
| 01:09:07 | [DrEvil] | too bad the Z doesn't look like the new Clie |
| 01:09:36 | Hellaenergy | DrEvil: you don't like how the Z looks? |
| 01:09:40 | Hellaenergy | I do |
| 01:09:42 | [DrEvil] | those are purtty |
| 01:09:50 | Hellaenergy | gotta link |
| 01:09:52 | [DrEvil] | it's eh |
| 01:10:22 | [DrEvil] | could use a magnesium case |
| 01:10:34 | Gepeto | Me too |
| 01:10:36 | Gepeto | the Z is ugly |
| 01:11:37 | Hellaenergy | You can give me your Z |
| 01:11:43 | Hellaenergy | I will give it a good home |
| 01:12:00 | ljp_quark | paint it |
| 01:12:28 | [DrEvil] | paint over a metallic finish? |
| 01:12:31 | Hellaenergy | Any word on if there is going to be another developer contest? |
| 01:12:44 | [DrEvil] | http://www.sonystyle.com/vaio/clie/nr70_index.shtml |
| 01:12:51 | Gepeto | I dont like the NR70 |
| 01:13:13 | ljp_quark | ya,.. they decided that I won everything... |
| 01:13:21 | [DrEvil] | it's a Transformer |
| 01:13:33 | Hellaenergy | that is tight |
| 01:13:39 | Hellaenergy | but does it run linux? |
| 01:13:44 | MSpin | wants to take a sledge to wlan-ng |
| 01:13:58 | [DrEvil] | what's wrong with wlan-ng? |
| 01:14:13 | Hellaenergy | what about wvlan_cs? |
| 01:14:22 | ljp_quark | oz isn't going to use wlan-ng |
| 01:14:31 | [DrEvil] | I doubt it runs Linux... |
| 01:14:38 | MSpin | but wlanmon needs to run on the sharp rom |
| 01:14:40 | [DrEvil] | I just think it is a nicely designed device |
| 01:14:44 | Hellaenergy | didn't think so |
| 01:15:03 | Hellaenergy | DrEvil: that is really cool |
| 01:15:11 | [DrEvil] | I think there was a Palm distro for Linux awhile back |
| 01:15:31 | Hellaenergy | Palm and Linux? |
| 01:15:35 | Hellaenergy | Whhaaaattt |
| 01:15:53 | [DrEvil] | someone had go the kernel to boot on a palm |
| 01:15:55 | [DrEvil] | or so I heard |
| 01:16:09 | Gepeto | bah |
| 01:16:11 | Gepeto | what's the point anyways |
| 01:16:24 | [DrEvil] | because they could |
| 01:16:26 | [DrEvil] | heh |
| 01:17:30 | [DrEvil] | I was getting pissed off at Sony for not releasing the Infostick in the US soon enough |
| 01:17:32 | [DrEvil] | if they ever do |
| 01:19:38 | [DrEvil] | oh |
| 01:19:45 | [DrEvil] | and I want a sexy MP3 player for the Z |
| 01:19:55 | [DrEvil] | eyecandy |
| 01:20:00 | Com[Plex] | this quoted on the sharp developer page, "Note: We are no longer selling the Sharp Zaurus SL-5000D (Developer Edition) because the |
| 01:20:01 | Com[Plex] | SL-5500 (retail version) has just shipped. In the future we may offer the SL-5500 at a special discount rate for developers. Stay tuned for details. |
| 01:20:13 | Com[Plex] | sweet :> |
| 01:20:33 | ljp_quark | you'll have to prove you develop apps for it though |
| 01:20:54 | Hellaenergy | what give em an app :) |
| 01:21:11 | Hellaenergy | I would trade em an app for a 5500 |
| 01:21:17 | MSpin | LOL...there's a commercial for zoloft |
| 01:21:36 | ljp_quark | there's a lot of drug commercials |
| 01:21:38 | Com[Plex] | I doubt that |
| 01:21:41 | [DrEvil] | they've had those for a while now |
| 01:21:42 | [DrEvil] | and paxil |
| 01:21:55 | Com[Plex] | IM betting they will give a discount to people who Bought the Z 5000 |
| 01:21:59 | MSpin | it was jsut funny..everything was all happy |
| 01:22:18 | [DrEvil] | it always is |
| 01:22:36 | [DrEvil] | I can give some examples of other "happy" drug ads |
| 01:22:47 | [DrEvil] | which got in trouble with the FDA |
| 01:22:54 | Com[Plex] | how much does the z weigh? |
| 01:23:08 | [DrEvil] | 2.5 punds |
| 01:23:11 | [DrEvil] | pounds |
| 01:23:13 | Com[Plex] | no way |
| 01:23:46 | ljp_quark | heh whoops, I just realized I dated a few checks today 2001 |
| 01:23:52 | [DrEvil] | it's just a little over 7 oz |
| 01:23:58 | [DrEvil] | heh |
| 01:24:08 | [DrEvil] | i don't think you will be getting a break on that |
| 01:24:18 | Com[Plex] | yeah, 188g (6.6 oz) wuithout cover |
| 01:24:25 | Com[Plex] | 7.3 with |
| 01:24:35 | [DrEvil] | amazing how much that cover weighs |
| 01:25:48 | Com[Plex] | yeah.. weird |
| 01:25:58 | ekkis | hey guys, I can't get a list of properties for a Javascript object on the Z (but I remember somewhere that was not yet implemented)... but more disturbing: innerText doesn't work... what do I use instead? |
| 01:25:58 | Com[Plex] | but hey, I wont carry it without it |
| 01:26:16 | [DrEvil] | you really have to |
| 01:26:25 | [DrEvil] | a case for it is going to be a bitch |
| 01:26:30 | Com[Plex] | yeah |
| 01:26:40 | [DrEvil] | it's that slideout keyboard |
| 01:29:33 | ekkis | guys, I'm not finding a good resource for Javascript on the Z, anyone? |
| 01:30:59 | ljp_quark | javascript? |
| 01:33:41 | ekkis | hey ljp, yes on Opera |
| 01:34:26 | ekkis | it's interesting but I can't seem to find a FAQ or place to deal with that topic |
| 01:34:59 | Gepeto | you'd think that javascript would work just normally no? |
| 01:35:12 | ekkis | there's QTopia stuff (which this isn't) and Linux stuff and ROM stuff and all the other development environments... but not Javascript!! |
| 01:36:01 | ekkis | Gepeto: well... that's just it, it doesn't... innerText doesn't seem supported in their DOM and I can't iterate to get a list of supported properties... |
| 01:36:24 | Gepeto | awww |
| 01:36:56 | Fatbum | hoooooola |
| 01:37:03 | Fatbum | i cant wait until i get my 5500 |
| 01:37:08 | Fatbum | but i have to seel allll this stuff |
| 01:37:09 | Fatbum | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1352240689&r=0&t=0&showTutorial=0&ed=1021691239&indexURL=0&rd=1 |
| 01:37:13 | Gepeto | Fatbum: I've been through that too hehe |
| 01:37:15 | Fatbum | check it out if you like visors |
| 01:37:18 | Gepeto | ugh |
| 01:37:20 | Gepeto | visors |
| 01:37:21 | Gepeto | are crap :) |
| 01:37:22 | Fatbum | yeah |
| 01:37:28 | Fatbum | ive owned 3 :) |
| 01:37:36 | ekkis | I can't even really find anything about Opera on the Z |
| 01:37:39 | Gepeto | I owned zzzzzzero |
| 01:37:39 | Fatbum | two were free's the only reason |
| 01:37:57 | Fatbum | the first one i bought when i was hyped about the springboard.... |
| 01:38:08 | Fatbum | plus there was a little contest at school to see who got one first |
| 01:38:57 | Fatbum | and i remember when they had backorders....it was supposed to be like 6 months for availability, i got mine in two weeks |
| 01:39:06 | Fatbum | or like 4-5 days |
| 01:39:07 | Fatbum | i dont know |
| 01:39:15 | Fatbum | it was coo |
| 01:39:16 | Fatbum | l |
| 01:39:20 | Fatbum | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1352240689&r=0&t=0&showTutorial=0&ed=1021691239&indexURL=0&rd=1 |
| 01:40:04 | Gepeto | I never believed in springboards |
| 01:40:08 | ljp_quark | ekkis: ya there's nothing on opera's website about the zaurus |
| 01:40:58 | ekkis | ljp_quark: I know... and there's nothing about it anywhere else |
| 01:40:59 | Fatbum | why? |
| 01:41:12 | Fatbum | they work just like they say |
| 01:41:23 | ekkis | ljp_quark: but I would think developing web pages that work on the Z would be important |
| 01:41:28 | Fatbum | given its *puke* palmos....i mean it worked better than the damn os should have let it |
| 01:41:35 | ekkis | why isn't there any support from Opera on this? |
| 01:41:55 | Fatbum | did you check opera.com? |
| 01:41:56 | Fatbum | ;) |
| 01:42:11 | ljp_quark | might try the opera forums also... |
| 01:42:27 | ekkis | Fatbum: yes, they don't even recognise they have a version for the Z |
| 01:42:48 | ekkis | ljp_quark: will do... was just hoping to find someone here that's played with this |
| 01:44:26 | ljp_quark | I do know that theres a problem with umm one javascript function that opens a prompt |
| 01:44:37 | Fatbum | how bout this zaurus? |
| 01:44:40 | Fatbum | i should get it right.... |
| 01:44:45 | ljp_quark | I forget who was working on that. or finding a way around it |
| 01:44:51 | Fatbum | anyone seen the new nr70v from sony? |
| 01:45:23 | ekkis | ljp_quark: yes, that was me who was bitching about it... I e-mailed the guy you referred me to and he put me in touch with someone else who said he'd have the developers look at it |
| 01:47:53 | codemnky | greetings |
| 01:48:07 | ljp_quark | ahhhh |
| 01:48:20 | ljp_quark | hey codemonky |
| 01:48:43 | Fatbum | eh |
| 01:48:48 | Fatbum | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1352240689&r=0&t=0&showTutorial=0&ed=1021691239&indexURL=0&rd=1 |
| 01:48:53 | Fatbum | any1 wanna look at that? |
| 01:48:56 | Fatbum | fine |
| 01:49:01 | Fatbum | i wish i was dead |
| 01:49:05 | Fatbum | dies |
| 01:49:25 | [DrEvil] | I have to sell some more stuff on ebay |
| 01:49:29 | MEGASTeP | is away: I'm away, dammit |
| 01:49:59 | Fatbum | where can i ad this link |
| 01:50:01 | MSpin | screams |
| 01:50:04 | Fatbum | i need someone to buy it |
| 01:50:10 | Fatbum | SCREAMS A LOT |
| 01:50:22 | [DrEvil] | you just did |
| 01:50:34 | [DrEvil] | I don't want or need a Handspring |
| 01:50:40 | [DrEvil] | or as I call them |
| 01:50:42 | codemnky | it's not even color! |
| 01:50:43 | [DrEvil] | Handjob |
| 01:51:13 | Fatbum | why would i sell it if it was anything but a zaurus? |
| 01:51:17 | Fatbum | kicks people |
| 01:51:22 | Fatbum | alot even |
| 01:51:27 | [DrEvil] | for money |
| 01:51:34 | codemnky | oh you're selling it? |
| 01:51:52 | [DrEvil] | I was never impressed with Handspring |
| 01:52:18 | [DrEvil] | especially when they decdied to buck the system and make the ROM non-upgradeable |
| 01:52:24 | Fatbum | well |
| 01:52:26 | Fatbum | its palmos |
| 01:52:34 | Fatbum | we can end all our arguing there |
| 01:52:51 | [DrEvil] | I upgraded my Clie from PalmOS 3.5 to 4.1 |
| 01:52:52 | [DrEvil] | so there |
| 01:53:02 | Fatbum | and? |
| 01:53:06 | codemnky | i ran over my palm with my chair |
| 01:53:09 | Fatbum | haha |
| 01:53:22 | Fatbum | i want a zaurus |
| 01:53:22 | [DrEvil] | did Best Buy exchange it for you? |
| 01:53:27 | codemnky | i told my wife it just broke |
| 01:53:33 | Fatbum | HAH! |
| 01:53:37 | codemnky | i bought it from a frined |
| 01:53:43 | Fatbum | best blow has pdas $25 off |
| 01:53:48 | [DrEvil] | ahh |
| 01:53:58 | [DrEvil] | I paid for their PDA "upgrade" plan |
| 01:54:00 | MSpin | [DrEvil] just commits fraud |
| 01:54:01 | Fatbum | i got a coupon for 10% off too |
| 01:54:12 | Fatbum | hehe |
| 01:54:30 | [DrEvil] | hush |
| 01:55:05 | [DrEvil] | the salespeople at BB sometimes sell it as an "upgrade" plan |
| 01:55:34 | Fatbum | should i do that? |
| 01:55:43 | Fatbum | its like 60 bucks right? |
| 01:55:51 | [DrEvil] | is it fraud if I do what I was told I can do? |
| 01:55:53 | [DrEvil] | yeah |
| 01:56:08 | whardier | HEH |
| 01:56:12 | [DrEvil] | it doesn't cover a broken screen though |
| 01:56:17 | whardier | an island I hooked up with wireless is down |
| 01:56:19 | whardier | too foggy |
| 01:56:20 | whardier | hahaha |
| 01:56:22 | [DrEvil] | "normal wear and tear" |
| 01:56:43 | Hellaenergy | whardier: what kind of wireless? |
| 01:56:46 | lowkey | if anyone lives near a mif anyone lives near a microcenter(.com), they're having a big sale this weekend. good deals on compact-flash, secure digital, etc.icrocenter(.com), they're having a big sale this weekend. good deals on compact-flash, secure digital, etc. |
| 01:56:47 | MSpin | whardier: how far is the link? |
| 01:57:10 | [DrEvil] | where is Microcenter? |
| 01:57:12 | lowkey | errr bad copy.... |
| 01:57:17 | [DrEvil] | heh |
| 01:57:21 | [DrEvil] | bad you |
| 01:57:27 | lowkey | [DrEvil]: there's about 8 of them around the country |
| 01:57:35 | [DrEvil] | ahh |
| 01:57:35 | lowkey | [DrEvil]: check out microcenter.com |
| 01:57:53 | [DrEvil] | Costco has 128 meg SD cards for $94 |
| 01:57:56 | lowkey | $49 for a 128MB compact flash |
| 01:58:04 | lowkey | $9.99 ofr 32MB |
| 01:58:10 | lowkey | err for |
| 01:58:19 | [DrEvil] | little cheap for 32 mets |
| 01:58:21 | [DrEvil] | megs |
| 01:58:26 | lowkey | yeah. |
| 01:58:36 | lowkey | i plan on grabbing a few at that price. just nice to have. |
| 01:58:58 | [DrEvil] | yeah |
| 01:59:06 | [DrEvil] | you never know when you will nead one |
| 01:59:14 | lowkey | $49 for US Robotics PCMCIA 802.11b card. |
| 01:59:23 | Fatbum | badass |
| 01:59:28 | [DrEvil] | I remember buying Smith Cornoa meemory cards at Wal-Mart for $1/ea |
| 01:59:34 | lowkey | lol |
| 01:59:35 | [DrEvil] | they worked well in my HP48 |
| 01:59:45 | lowkey | i still have an old smith corona. |
| 02:00:04 | [DrEvil] | all my friends at school wanted to buy some off me |
| 02:00:08 | whardier | smacks [DrEvil] |
| 02:00:11 | [DrEvil] | I stupidly turned them down |
| 02:00:17 | whardier | smacks [DrEvil] again |
| 02:00:19 | Fatbum | aaww |
| 02:00:23 | whardier | damn.. its not working |
| 02:00:26 | Fatbum | you should have sold em for like 25 |
| 02:00:31 | [DrEvil] | yeah |
| 02:00:32 | whardier | smacks [DrEvil] again and yells.. WHOOOS YOUR DADDY! |
| 02:00:48 | [DrEvil] | especially at how much HP was charging for a HP48 card |
| 02:00:59 | whardier | resorts to smacking himself for a while |
| 02:01:03 | [DrEvil] | I could try and ebay them |
| 02:01:13 | [DrEvil] | lot's of '48s out there |
| 02:01:57 | [DrEvil] | someone should write an HP48 emulator for the Z |
| 02:01:58 | lowkey | you guys see the articles on NASA and ebay? |
| 02:01:59 | [DrEvil] | that would be cool |
| 02:02:15 | lowkey | apparently eBay is the best source they can find for old chips (8086, etc.) |
| 02:02:23 | [DrEvil] | hmmm |
| 02:02:35 | [DrEvil] | I wonder how much they would have given me for my old PS/2 Model 30 |
| 02:02:40 | lowkey | lol |
| 02:02:40 | [DrEvil] | with it's 8086 |
| 02:02:49 | lowkey | i got an IBM PC-XT here |
| 02:03:03 | [DrEvil] | that is an 8088 |
| 02:03:10 | [DrEvil] | external 8 bit bus |
| 02:03:14 | [DrEvil] | internal 16 bit |
| 02:03:20 | kergoth | hey |
| 02:03:20 | lowkey | yep |
| 02:03:29 | [DrEvil] | 8086 was 16 bit all the wya |
| 02:03:31 | [DrEvil] | wau |
| 02:03:33 | [DrEvil] | grr |
| 02:03:47 | lowkey | [DrEvil]: good chip. served me well for almost 4 years. |
| 02:03:49 | [DrEvil] | I'm suprised they are still using those |
| 02:04:02 | [DrEvil] | Boeing did refit the onboard systems |
| 02:04:06 | [DrEvil] | modernization |
| 02:04:14 | lowkey | [DrEvil]: technology sticks around in gov't/military projects. |
| 02:04:23 | [DrEvil] | of course there are probably some legacy shit |
| 02:04:25 | Fatbum | so who has a 5500? |
| 02:04:29 | lowkey | yo |
| 02:05:01 | Fatbum | um.... |
| 02:05:04 | [DrEvil] | me |
| 02:05:11 | kergoth | Fatbum: numerous people in here |
| 02:05:19 | Fatbum | who thinks they got it the cheapest? |
| 02:05:21 | kergoth | seems fairly quiet here today |
| 02:05:22 | lowkey | anyone having any luck getting vim to work on it? |
| 02:05:24 | kergoth | Fatbum: who cares? |
| 02:05:26 | lowkey | Fatbum: i did. |
| 02:05:27 | [DrEvil] | the AC-130 has a computer system that is like a 8 bit |
| 02:05:29 | kergoth | lowkey: vim works fine |
| 02:05:35 | Fatbum | i just wanna know how much all paid |
| 02:05:38 | [DrEvil] | ugh |
| 02:05:41 | [DrEvil] | vim on the Z |
| 02:05:43 | [DrEvil] | no |
| 02:05:45 | [DrEvil] | well |
| 02:05:47 | lowkey | kergoth: i'm having libncurses issues. |
| 02:05:48 | kergoth | Fatbum: bah |
| 02:05:50 | [DrEvil] | it could be worse |
| 02:05:51 | [DrEvil] | emacs |
| 02:05:59 | lowkey | Fatbum: it was a bonus at work. |
| 02:06:02 | [DrEvil] | but that would take up all the internal ROM |
| 02:06:04 | [DrEvil] | RAM |
| 02:06:07 | Fatbum | man |
| 02:06:12 | kergoth | lowkey: copied the arm libncurses from the Z and the ncurses headers for x86 from your desktop into the lib and include dirs in your toolchain? |
| 02:06:14 | Fatbum | lucky bastardo |
| 02:06:25 | [DrEvil] | I didn't pay much for my Z |
| 02:06:26 | lowkey | kergoth: mmmmm, not yet. |
| 02:06:28 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: micro emacs is ported and works fine |
| 02:06:34 | kergoth | lowkey: therein lies the problem then ;-) |
| 02:06:44 | lowkey | kergoth: lol |
| 02:06:50 | Fatbum | how much evil? |
| 02:06:52 | kergoth | hey ljp |
| 02:07:02 | [DrEvil] | it depends on how you look at it |
| 02:07:14 | [DrEvil] | I paid $499 for my original Clie + the BB service plan |
| 02:07:20 | Fatbum | ok..... |
| 02:07:24 | [DrEvil] | I upgradedto the Z which was $474 |
| 02:07:30 | Fatbum | how recently? |
| 02:07:33 | [DrEvil] | I got $27 back |
| 02:07:38 | [DrEvil] | last week |
| 02:07:52 | [DrEvil] | and I promptly spent all that money |
| 02:07:53 | ljp_quark | hey kergoth |
| 02:07:55 | [DrEvil] | on wlan |
| 02:08:01 | Fatbum | yeah you got it at bb right? |
| 02:08:04 | [DrEvil] | yes |
| 02:08:13 | Fatbum | they just sent me a 10% off coupon so ima buy it |
| 02:08:24 | Fatbum | it brings it down to 450 so ima buy it |
| 02:08:29 | [DrEvil] | it is on and off of sale over there |
| 02:08:33 | [DrEvil] | read the fine print |
| 02:08:35 | Fatbum | i dont like waiting for rebates anyway |
| 02:08:39 | [DrEvil] | to make sure it isn't off the regular price |
| 02:09:01 | Fatbum | well that $25 off is over before this 10% off sale anyway |
| 02:09:10 | Fatbum | 25 off is over the 15th i think |
| 02:09:17 | [DrEvil] | ahh |
| 02:09:20 | Fatbum | and this starts friday |
| 02:09:29 | [DrEvil] | they screwed me on some DVDs |
| 02:09:35 | lowkey | bb sucks |
| 02:09:54 | Fatbum | they sure do |
| 02:09:56 | Fatbum | fuck bb |
| 02:10:02 | Fatbum | fuck their stupid asses ;) |
| 02:10:09 | Fatbum | name the movie QUICK!!! |
| 02:10:26 | [DrEvil] | Jay & Silent Bob |
| 02:10:28 | Fatbum | gives the winner a cookie |
| 02:10:29 | Fatbum | yay |
| 02:10:39 | [DrEvil] | w00t |
| 02:10:46 | Fatbum | haha |
| 02:10:51 | Fatbum | ok i want a z now |
| 02:10:55 | lowkey | back when i bought my first pal pilot, they sold me a used one as new for full price (which is illegal where i live) |
| 02:10:58 | [DrEvil] | Z-28? |
| 02:11:08 | Fatbum | or a 5500 |
| 02:11:17 | Fatbum | one of the 2 |
| 02:11:25 | [DrEvil] | you can only buy a 5500 |
| 02:11:32 | Fatbum | i know |
| 02:11:34 | [DrEvil] | you can't buy the 5000D anymore |
| 02:11:37 | Fatbum | you said z-28 |
| 02:11:39 | Fatbum | I KNOW |
| 02:11:44 | lowkey | 5500 rocks but its not ready for the "Average" user imho. |
| 02:11:52 | [DrEvil] | lowkey: I agree |
| 02:11:54 | Fatbum | yeah |
| 02:11:57 | Fatbum | thats why im getting it |
| 02:12:00 | Fatbum | fuck stupid ppl |
| 02:12:03 | Fatbum | fuck em good |
| 02:12:06 | [DrEvil] | neither is PPC |
| 02:12:08 | Fatbum | let em use pocketpp |
| 02:12:08 | lowkey | lol, its one of the reasons i love it. |
| 02:12:09 | kergoth | The applications need a great deal of work, as does the syncing. They'll have the kinks worked out by their next pda i'm certain. |
| 02:12:30 | lowkey | kergoth: should have some new ROM images soon from what i hear |
| 02:12:40 | MSpin | kergoth: is there any word on sharps next rom? |
| 02:12:47 | kergoth | lowkey: there are always updates on the pipeline, it'll be some time before it makes it through QA i'm sure |
| 02:12:51 | MSpin | are they still gonna use wlan-ng? |
| 02:12:59 | kergoth | MSpin: havent heard anything myself.. remember what Sharps QA process is like.. ugh |
| 02:13:04 | lowkey | MSpin: just a generic "soon" |
| 02:13:11 | kergoth | MSpin: I'd say so.. we'll see if they learn anything from my work with OpenZaurus |
| 02:13:17 | MSpin | fuckers |
| 02:13:20 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:13:27 | lowkey | kergoth: how is openzaurus going? |
| 02:13:28 | kergoth | They're just a huge corporation |
| 02:13:30 | MSpin | I'd love to shed this 100k baggage |
| 02:13:31 | kergoth | it takes them time. |
| 02:13:32 | kergoth | brb. |
| 02:14:54 | [DrEvil] | make your own damn rom |
| 02:15:03 | lowkey | [DrEvil]: tempting.... |
| 02:15:18 | kergoth | I'll write up a rom creation howto for ZZ one of these days.... |
| 02:15:19 | kergoth | no time |
| 02:15:21 | lowkey | [DrEvil]: heavily emphasised on networking |
| 02:15:35 | ljp_quark | ahh pizza and coke finally arriced.. now I can drink! |
| 02:15:46 | [DrEvil] | you didn't have water? |
| 02:16:10 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: i dont think he's referring to something to quench his thirst |
| 02:16:14 | lowkey | water |
| 02:16:15 | lowkey | ? |
| 02:16:15 | kergoth | hey roger |
| 02:16:21 | [DrEvil] | whatever happene dto that embeded gnome project? |
| 02:16:21 | roge99 | hey |
| 02:16:29 | roge99 | how boes it |
| 02:16:33 | roge99 | goes even |
| 02:16:39 | kergoth | not bad at all.. other than it being monday of course. |
| 02:16:39 | kergoth | you? |
| 02:16:44 | whardier | hi |
| 02:16:48 | kergoth | sup whardier |
| 02:16:56 | roge99 | ah i have had better weeks |
| 02:16:57 | whardier | just made the accountant here very happy |
| 02:17:05 | whardier | he is like gollum |
| 02:17:09 | kergoth | aha |
| 02:17:16 | whardier | crazy old japanese guy |
| 02:17:35 | whardier | so I can go heeeere.. and the internet is stiiiiill oooonnn? |
| 02:17:50 | whardier | vat about myyy aaa ooo lllll??? |
| 02:17:57 | whardier | oooohhhhh.. I seeeeeee |
| 02:17:58 | ljp_quark | embedded gnome? |
| 02:17:59 | [DrEvil] | can you reinstall the internet on my computer |
| 02:18:04 | [DrEvil] | I deleted it |
| 02:18:07 | whardier | myyy aaa ooo lll stillll woooorks |
| 02:18:10 | whardier | goooooooood.. |
| 02:18:12 | whardier | goooooooood.. |
| 02:18:13 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: i've talked to those people. heh |
| 02:18:18 | kergoth | whardier: heheh |
| 02:18:24 | kergoth | ljp_quark: ack, what a horrid thought |
| 02:18:50 | whardier | I should not expect sanity from accountants |
| 02:18:56 | [DrEvil] | the interface was purtty |
| 02:18:58 | kergoth | yep, should know better |
| 02:19:08 | whardier | heh |
| 02:19:29 | whardier | ljp it was mentioned you posted a link about a perty opie interface |
| 02:19:56 | kergoth | whardier: I really should start a cron job to echo "Pingizauru artwork!!" | mail hardwire |
| 02:20:02 | kergoth | whardier: :-P |
| 02:20:11 | whardier | heh |
| 02:20:25 | kergoth | I havent seen that new opie background yet |
| 02:20:29 | kergoth | i should cvs up |
| 02:20:40 | whardier | next time I am climbing a pole and can check my email.. or stuck in a dry dock and can check my email |
| 02:20:42 | [DrEvil] | how big are Z ROM images? |
| 02:20:48 | whardier | I promise I will work on some |
| 02:20:53 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: the flash is 16mb |
| 02:20:54 | kergoth | whardier: hah |
| 02:21:01 | [DrEvil] | yes |
| 02:21:06 | [DrEvil] | but does it use all that? |
| 02:21:08 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: not all of that is the rootfs, only about 14.5 megs is the filesystem |
| 02:21:12 | MSpin | turns up the music |
| 02:21:20 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: then there's the bootloader and kernel |
| 02:21:21 | whardier | has been quite elevated as wel as below sealevel for a few weeks |
| 02:21:31 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: and rom updater. etc |
| 02:21:38 | kergoth | whardier: heheh having fun yet? |
| 02:21:44 | [DrEvil] | eye see |
| 02:22:07 | MSpin | whardier: how far is that link? |
| 02:22:12 | [DrEvil] | me and my poor modem |
| 02:22:29 | ljp_quark | grrrr modems... gggrrrrrrr |
| 02:22:38 | kergoth | hehe |
| 02:22:40 | kergoth | poor ljp |
| 02:22:47 | kergoth | relegated to modem land for weeks |
| 02:22:47 | [DrEvil] | I have no choice |
| 02:22:55 | [DrEvil] | Qwest has deemed me unworthy of DSL |
| 02:23:02 | [DrEvil] | and I don't have normal cable |
| 02:23:58 | [DrEvil] | fucking Qwest |
| 02:24:02 | [DrEvil] | I hope they go under |
| 02:24:03 | ljp_quark | try conntacting an isp first |
| 02:24:14 | ljp_quark | contacting even |
| 02:24:18 | [DrEvil] | they all go through Qwest |
| 02:24:24 | [DrEvil] | Covad will do it |
| 02:24:26 | [DrEvil] | at a price |
| 02:24:27 | [DrEvil] | IDSL |
| 02:24:29 | [DrEvil] | bleah |
| 02:24:36 | [DrEvil] | too little for too much |
| 02:24:37 | whardier | ljp_quark call frii |
| 02:24:40 | whardier | get dsl |
| 02:24:42 | whardier | new edge dsl |
| 02:24:43 | ljp_quark | I've heard stories where QWest told people they couldn't get DSL, but contacted an ISP that had them set up |
| 02:24:43 | whardier | from them |
| 02:24:47 | whardier | you will be a happy shit! |
| 02:24:51 | whardier | if you have ISP issues |
| 02:24:55 | whardier | go bang on their fucking door! |
| 02:24:55 | [DrEvil] | I am too far from the CO |
| 02:24:59 | whardier | you checked? |
| 02:25:07 | [DrEvil] | yes |
| 02:25:14 | whardier | err |
| 02:25:14 | whardier | no |
| 02:25:16 | whardier | ljp |
| 02:25:18 | [DrEvil] | I even went to the CO and drove back |
| 02:25:22 | whardier | where is [DrEvil] from |
| 02:25:29 | [DrEvil] | Seattle area |
| 02:25:32 | whardier | oh |
| 02:25:32 | whardier | heh |
| 02:25:37 | whardier | frii is front range internet |
| 02:25:40 | whardier | I was addresing LJP |
| 02:25:43 | whardier | since he is having issues |
| 02:25:49 | whardier | and he lives 20 miles from me |
| 02:25:51 | [DrEvil] | I'm having issues too |
| 02:25:52 | [DrEvil] | so there |
| 02:25:58 | whardier | well mee too |
| 02:26:04 | whardier | I am stuck in hawaii without a bikini! |
| 02:26:05 | ljp_quark | heheh ya.. they didn't have my new old dsl order.. so I have to waut more |
| 02:26:07 | ljp_quark | wait |
| 02:26:35 | ljp_quark | and they really wanted me to choose MSN |
| 02:26:39 | kergoth | whardier: get money so you can afford to have some fun out there yet? |
| 02:26:54 | whardier | yeah |
| 02:26:56 | whardier | I have money now |
| 02:26:58 | kergoth | ah nice |
| 02:27:03 | whardier | thanks to a very ind old dude and his checkbook |
| 02:27:07 | whardier | kind |
| 02:27:08 | whardier | not ind |
| 02:27:11 | kergoth | ah gollum? |
| 02:27:11 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:27:14 | [DrEvil] | sugar daddy? |
| 02:27:18 | whardier | one of the guys I am doing work for gave me half my invoice |
| 02:27:31 | ljp_quark | thinks whardier is neding over for some old guy with a checkbook |
| 02:27:38 | ljp_quark | bending even |
| 02:27:43 | whardier | haha |
| 02:27:47 | whardier | SIGN IT BITCH! |
| 02:27:53 | whardier | WHOS YOUR EMPLOYYEE! |
| 02:27:55 | whardier | WHOS YOUR EMPLOYYEEEEEE! |
| 02:28:03 | whardier | heh |
| 02:28:11 | ljp_quark | hehehe |
| 02:28:25 | whardier | a friend of mine here is paying $1280 for a one way ticket to seattle |
| 02:28:33 | ljp_quark | ouch |
| 02:28:34 | kergoth | ack |
| 02:28:39 | [DrEvil] | there are no jobs here |
| 02:28:43 | whardier | I asked him if they include a complimentary bouncing chick on your lap.. |
| 02:28:52 | [DrEvil] | I hope he/she gets a round-trip |
| 02:28:56 | ljp_quark | its cheaper to buy both ways and blow off the sencond trip |
| 02:28:59 | whardier | he lives in anchorage |
| 02:29:05 | whardier | does work on the harbors out there |
| 02:29:11 | whardier | 'then is gonna go back to anchorage |
| 02:29:44 | whardier | this dude behind me is gonna get smacked |
| 02:29:50 | whardier | haha |
| 02:29:51 | whardier | damnit |
| 02:29:52 | whardier | damnit |
| 02:29:53 | whardier | damnit |
| 02:30:06 | whardier | decides he set himself up for that |
| 02:30:13 | whardier | cmon peeps.. feed off of my idiot nature! |
| 02:30:19 | kergoth | too easy |
| 02:30:32 | kergoth | goes back to working on oz |
| 02:30:56 | ljp_quark | groans and goes back to work on opie |
| 02:31:26 | [DrEvil] | Opie taylor? |
| 02:31:32 | kergoth | [DrEvil] |
| 02:31:34 | | well, opie is the Open Palmtop Integrated Environment. More info can be found at http://opie.handhelds.org or in the #opie channel. |
| 02:31:34 | kergoth | ibot: opie? |
| 02:31:38 | whardier | Opie Griffith |
| 02:31:40 | [DrEvil] | I know |
| 02:31:42 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:31:51 | [DrEvil] | Taylor |
| 02:32:04 | whardier | Outdated show where I should not know the last names of people. |
| 02:32:13 | [DrEvil] | Andy Taylor was his dad's name |
| 02:32:15 | whardier | anybody catch X files last night? |
| 02:32:17 | ljp_quark | heh ya opei taylor |
| 02:32:20 | [DrEvil] | played by Andy Griffeth |
| 02:32:36 | whardier | snakes a pepsi |
| 02:32:37 | [DrEvil] | I stopped watching that show |
| 02:32:39 | whardier | err |
| 02:32:40 | whardier | snags! |
| 02:32:41 | whardier | damnit! |
| 02:32:43 | kergoth | lol |
| 02:32:57 | whardier | this is what happens when you wanna go home soo bad |
| 02:33:02 | kergoth | freudian slip |
| 02:33:05 | whardier | I hate that I have to go back to anchorage |
| 02:33:07 | whardier | wait a bit |
| 02:33:11 | whardier | go to seattle |
| 02:33:12 | whardier | wait a bit |
| 02:33:18 | whardier | then finally get to go home! |
| 02:33:20 | whardier | HOPEFULLY! |
| 02:33:23 | kergoth | heh. that blows |
| 02:33:29 | kergoth | making $$ though, so its all good |
| 02:33:32 | [DrEvil] | someone make bluetooth work |
| 02:33:33 | whardier | heh |
| 02:33:35 | whardier | not enough |
| 02:33:37 | whardier | $2250 a week |
| 02:33:56 | whardier | concidering I am not gonna work and gonna do a lot of fucking R&D and buying when I get home.. thats not enough |
| 02:34:10 | whardier | is gonna buy quite a bit of industrial equipment when he gets home |
| 02:34:15 | kergoth | why? |
| 02:34:22 | whardier | gonna do work in the marine business |
| 02:34:30 | kergoth | ah |
| 02:34:34 | [DrEvil] | an UltraVibe Pleasure 2000? |
| 02:36:08 | MSpin | ack! |
| 02:36:28 | MSpin | typedef iw_range iwrange; |
| 02:36:28 | whardier | I am also gonna buy 3 sat dishes when I get home |
| 02:36:35 | [DrEvil] | why 3? |
| 02:36:41 | whardier | why not? |
| 02:36:54 | MSpin | are we building antennas? |
| 02:36:55 | MSpin | hehe |
| 02:37:00 | whardier | well |
| 02:37:02 | whardier | they are antennas |
| 02:37:11 | whardier | I am building bonded sat connectios |
| 02:37:18 | whardier | I believe I found a little loophole |
| 02:37:23 | MSpin | hrm |
| 02:37:30 | [DrEvil] | like DirecPC? |
| 02:37:33 | whardier | and I can buy sat dishes and resell my own services thru it :P |
| 02:37:35 | whardier | sorta |
| 02:37:37 | whardier | directway |
| 02:37:38 | whardier | starband |
| 02:37:39 | whardier | shit like that |
| 02:37:44 | whardier | directpc is I guess starband |
| 02:38:10 | [DrEvil] | Starband is Dish's answer to DirecPC |
| 02:38:24 | whardier | ok |
| 02:38:34 | whardier | do you have too buy the dishes? |
| 02:38:48 | [DrEvil] | you need those monster oval dishes |
| 02:39:08 | ljp_quark | I use pie pans for my wireless |
| 02:39:08 | [DrEvil] | and unless you are licensed for it... |
| 02:39:11 | whardier | yeah |
| 02:39:14 | [DrEvil] | you will need to pay an installer |
| 02:39:30 | whardier | my apartments deck is gona look like a little nasa |
| 02:39:34 | whardier | nope |
| 02:39:40 | whardier | not with direct way |
| 02:39:49 | [DrEvil] | it is an FCC reg |
| 02:39:52 | whardier | I am gonna pay them off and just lease the dishes for a month |
| 02:39:53 | [DrEvil] | I looked into it |
| 02:40:04 | whardier | I am not a consumer :) |
| 02:40:06 | [DrEvil] | they have to be installed by a professional |
| 02:40:14 | whardier | sure me |
| 02:40:33 | whardier | I am a proffessional :) |
| 02:40:37 | whardier | ffff |
| 02:40:39 | whardier | damn f |
| 02:40:53 | ljp_quark | I'm also bypassing QWest by using two cans and string |
| 02:40:56 | whardier | aimed a few 10 foot dishes :) |
| 02:41:16 | whardier | dsl over string? |
| 02:41:24 | whardier | now that is cool |
| 02:41:29 | ljp_quark | ya.. copper string |
| 02:41:38 | whardier | what happens when a bird lands on the wire? |
| 02:41:49 | ljp_quark | I grab by bee bee gun |
| 02:41:51 | MSpin | it's that new modulatin tech that the telcos bought the patent to so we couldn't use it:) |
| 02:42:28 | [DrEvil] | like the 100mpg car that the oil companies are hiding |
| 02:43:02 | MSpin | yeah! |
| 02:44:50 | whardier | [DrEvil] a friend of mine (sitting right next to me) (well now he walked away) built a hydrogen car.. |
| 02:45:00 | whardier | splits water into o2 and hydrogen |
| 02:45:03 | whardier | does its stuff |
| 02:45:08 | whardier | then spits out water onto th road |
| 02:45:17 | whardier | it did not pass california emissions |
| 02:45:21 | [DrEvil] | there are plenty of hydrogen cars |
| 02:45:33 | whardier | heh |
| 02:45:47 | whardier | I wish this person would stop talking to me about XP |
| 02:45:48 | whardier | damnit |
| 02:45:50 | whardier | I don't care |
| 02:45:53 | whardier | sure its neat |
| 02:45:55 | ljp_quark | I want a jetsons car.. |
| 02:46:23 | [DrEvil] | does anything pass CA emissions? |
| 02:46:30 | whardier | nope |
| 02:46:42 | ljp_quark | a bike |
| 02:46:50 | whardier | I guess they did not want him driving around in a hydrogen bomb |
| 02:47:06 | [DrEvil] | remember the Hindenberg |
| 02:47:16 | whardier | well |
| 02:47:19 | ljp_quark | heh ya.. like a gasoline bomb is any less dangerous |
| 02:47:21 | nyargh | prolly emitted too much co2 |
| 02:47:21 | whardier | that was bigger than a car :P |
| 02:47:28 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:47:31 | whardier | two much co2 is right |
| 02:47:45 | [DrEvil] | if it's fuel storage is water and not pure hydrogen, I don't see an issue |
| 02:47:47 | whardier | since it used air intake from the surrounding air in its mix for the split |
| 02:47:53 | whardier | it kept putting out californias air |
| 02:48:01 | nyargh | uh |
| 02:48:02 | whardier | which is.. not emmissions approved |
| 02:48:12 | nyargh | ... |
| 02:48:46 | [DrEvil] | didn't someone actually make the radiator in their car into a sorta catalytic converter? |
| 02:48:48 | [DrEvil] | Volvo |
| 02:48:48 | whardier | I swear.. when the ozone layer falls and aliens take over the world.. they are gonna take out california first.. and figure out how they killed the ozone soo fast :P |
| 02:48:50 | [DrEvil] | BMW |
| 02:48:53 | [DrEvil] | or something like that |
| 02:49:15 | kergoth | [DrEvil]: you get volvo and bmw mixed up? |
| 02:49:15 | nyargh | [DrEvil]: honda |
| 02:49:16 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:49:29 | [DrEvil] | some euro car maker |
| 02:49:33 | whardier | of course |
| 02:49:35 | nyargh | they put some sort of coating on it |
| 02:49:36 | nyargh | it was honda |
| 02:49:37 | [DrEvil] | big name |
| 02:49:38 | whardier | you think that honda would do something like that |
| 02:49:39 | whardier | no |
| 02:49:44 | whardier | they are too busy making engines bigger |
| 02:49:48 | nyargh | bigger? |
| 02:49:54 | whardier | to compete with american muscle |
| 02:50:02 | nyargh | jesus, can someone with an iq higher than room temp enter into this convo? |
| 02:50:06 | whardier | ever seen inside a new honda anything |
| 02:50:11 | whardier | notice how the engines grew! |
| 02:50:12 | whardier | hehehe |
| 02:50:13 | [DrEvil] | yeah |
| 02:50:14 | nyargh | honda has a reputation for getting more from SMALLER engines |
| 02:50:15 | [DrEvil] | uh-huh |
| 02:50:18 | [DrEvil] | american muscle |
| 02:50:29 | [DrEvil] | I had a 305 engine in an old Caprice Classic |
| 02:50:31 | nyargh | *less* displacement |
| 02:50:34 | [DrEvil] | only $145 HP |
| 02:50:37 | whardier | hehe |
| 02:50:37 | [DrEvil] | err |
| 02:50:39 | [DrEvil] | 145hp |
| 02:50:40 | nyargh | not more |
| 02:50:44 | [DrEvil] | that is real muscle |
| 02:50:45 | whardier | thats a very expensive hp |
| 02:51:05 | whardier | we have a 350hp genset sitting outside |
| 02:51:21 | whardier | and two 350hp gensets in this dry dock I am looking at ATM |
| 02:51:22 | [DrEvil] | so many 4 cylinder engines do 145hp now |
| 02:51:43 | whardier | my 3 1/2 cylinder car does around 80hp |
| 02:52:12 | [DrEvil] | Metro? |
| 02:52:14 | [DrEvil] | Justy? |
| 02:52:18 | [DrEvil] | Yugo? |
| 02:52:20 | whardier | mazda! |
| 02:52:39 | whardier | hmm |
| 02:52:42 | whardier | I do believe I have to pee |
| 02:52:53 | ljp_quark | my zaurus has a 350 big block |
| 02:53:01 | ljp_quark | chevy |
| 02:53:03 | [DrEvil] | uh-huh |
| 02:53:09 | ljp_quark | big block |
| 02:53:12 | ljp_quark | heheh |
| 02:53:15 | kergoth | stupid fucking at buildsystem |
| 02:53:23 | kergoth | yet another configure script without defaults for AC_TRY_RUN |
| 02:53:25 | kergoth | fuckers |
| 02:53:36 | [DrEvil] | not one of those interesting 10 cylinder engines that is a 6 and a 4 cylinder engine grafted together? |
| 02:53:42 | [DrEvil] | grrrrr |
| 02:53:44 | [DrEvil] | math |
| 02:53:46 | [DrEvil] | heh |
| 02:53:55 | [DrEvil] | n/m |
| 02:54:28 | peanut | waves |
| 02:54:41 | kergoth | hey peanut |
| 02:54:42 | [DrEvil] | planter's? |
| 02:54:58 | peanut | kergoth. |
| 02:55:07 | peanut | how's oz coming? |
| 02:55:09 | whardier | eats peanut |
| 02:55:19 | peanut | smacks whardier |
| 02:55:23 | whardier | damnit |
| 02:55:28 | whardier | stupid salty people! |
| 02:55:32 | MSpin | loves wireless_tools |
| 02:55:42 | whardier | ci ci |
| 02:56:07 | MSpin | fuckign wlan-ng |
| 02:56:09 | kergoth | peanut: getting there. replaced wlan-ng finally |
| 02:56:13 | whardier | heh |
| 02:56:15 | kergoth | MSpin: no shit |
| 02:56:18 | whardier | I am gonna clean up my little mess |
| 02:56:47 | MSpin | kergoth: I can get the info in 10lines from wireless extensions what takes 100k of binary to do |
| 02:57:24 | peanut | hasn't used his Z in a couple of days.. |
| 02:57:34 | peanut | needs to get a better case |
| 02:57:39 | peanut | a screen protector |
| 02:57:41 | [DrEvil] | what are some networked ipk servers? |
| 02:57:47 | peanut | zauruszone.com/feed/ |
| 02:57:54 | [DrEvil] | got that one |
| 02:58:05 | peanut | www.illegalsoftware.com/feed/ |
| 02:58:35 | kergoth | MSpin: hah.. i believe it |
| 02:58:36 | peanut | hehehe |
| 02:58:40 | kergoth | peanut: i need a case too |
| 02:58:57 | peanut | i have something now.. |
| 02:58:59 | MSpin | the visorphone cases work good I hear |
| 02:59:01 | kergoth | lets see, its the 4th option to AC_TRY_RUN to specify default for crosscompilation right? hmm |
| 02:59:02 | peanut | which works pretty nice.. |
| 02:59:21 | peanut | really liked his rodiana case for his palm |
| 02:59:27 | kergoth | doh! the configure script DID specify a default, i screwd up the configure opts |
| 02:59:28 | kergoth | hah |
| 02:59:39 | peanut | make that rhodiana |
| 02:59:42 | ljp_quark | hmmmm |
| 03:00:02 | ljp_quark | kergoth: should you really be working on OZ on a manday? |
| 03:00:08 | ljp_quark | monday even |
| 03:00:20 | kergoth | ljp_quark: good point, shit never goes right on a monday. i'll break more than i fix |
| 03:00:21 | kergoth | hehh |
| 03:01:24 | peanut | thinks he'll get an IPAQ and then load opie.. |
| 03:01:55 | ljp_quark | heheheh you wont have screenclicks |
| 03:02:16 | peanut | huh? |
| 03:02:27 | _MiniMe_ | y0 |
| 03:03:07 | kergoth | gah, ended up having to patch the configure.in anyway |
| 03:03:09 | kergoth | grumbles |
| 03:03:11 | kergoth | ljp_quark: hehe |
| 03:03:32 | kergoth | i still need a use for my 5000d |
| 03:03:35 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:03:53 | peanut | kergoth: you have a 5000 and a 55? |
| 03:04:49 | ljp_quark | put it in the server room with fbvnc running on it |
| 03:05:23 | kergoth | peanut: yeah my 5000d got a broken touchscreen digitizer.. they said it was gonna cost $350 and i said fuck that and bought a 5500 |
| 03:05:49 | nyargh | kergoth: write a decent qt mp3 player |
| 03:06:10 | _MiniMe_ | yes |
| 03:06:16 | kergoth | nyargh: nah just need a good keyboard interface for opieplayer ;-) |
| 03:06:24 | nyargh | kergoth: hehee |
| 03:06:28 | kergoth | wtf is 'yywrap'? |
| 03:06:33 | _MiniMe_ | something purtty |
| 03:06:38 | kergoth | lex.yy.o: In function `yylex': |
| 03:06:38 | kergoth | lex.yy.o(.text+0xcb4): undefined reference to `yywrap' |
| 03:06:45 | nyargh | h |
| 03:06:46 | kergoth | I hate lexical parser generators. |
| 03:06:47 | nyargh | got me |
| 03:06:51 | nyargh | lex sucks |
| 03:06:56 | ljp_quark | any suggestions for key shorts in opieplayer? |
| 03:06:57 | kergoth | lexx is a good show |
| 03:07:04 | kergoth | but an annoying parser generator |
| 03:07:04 | nyargh | you lie |
| 03:07:13 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:07:21 | nyargh | ljp_quark: hey you ever write that vorbis media player plugin? |
| 03:07:29 | kergoth | ljp_quark: nothing comes to mind off the top of my head.. but then its monday. ask me tomorrow |
| 03:08:32 | _MiniMe_ | goes looking for food |
| 03:09:20 | kergoth | <kergoth> ljp_quark: nothing comes to mind off the top of my head.. but then its monday. ask me tomorrow |
| 03:09:22 | kergoth | ljp_hates_QWest: re |
| 03:09:38 | ljp_hates_QWest | hehe |
| 03:10:05 | ljp_hates_QWest | well I already added a few to opieplayer |
| 03:10:36 | kergoth | gah |
| 03:10:37 | kergoth | y.tab.o: In function `main': |
| 03:10:37 | kergoth | y.tab.o(.text+0x17d0): multiple definition of `main' |
| 03:10:37 | kergoth | at.o(.text+0x189c): first defined here |
| 03:10:45 | kergoth | more than one main function linked in? wtf? |
| 03:10:48 | kergoth | stupid parser generators |
| 03:11:45 | kergoth | whew |
| 03:11:54 | kergoth | at/atd built for oz finally |
| 03:11:58 | kergoth | now we have alarms again :-) |
| 03:12:34 | ljp_hates_QWest | grrrr |
| 03:12:35 | kergoth | time to package up at for oz, brb |
| 03:17:29 | Com[Plex] | kergoth: were yuo the uy with the broken Z, or was that kendrick? |
| 03:17:39 | Com[Plex] | if so, would you sell it to me? |
| 03:18:10 | Com[Plex] | for parts, batery, powr cord, and the reast for parts. |
| 03:18:21 | Com[Plex] | lid, stylus, etc. |
| 03:23:05 | whardier | augh |
| 03:23:08 | whardier | stupid mortals |
| 03:26:58 | _MiniMe_ | yez |
| 03:39:37 | MSpin | mmm....alcohol |
| 03:41:50 | kergoth | for those who are interested, there is now a at/atd package in the oz3 feed. |
| 03:42:29 | kergoth | should fix the bug where hte unit doesnt wake up for alarms. heh |
| 03:59:57 | kergoth | hunger_: atd is in the feed. |
| 03:59:59 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:02:18 | [DrEvil] | ack |
| 04:02:26 | [DrEvil] | B-52's singing on Target commercials |
| 04:11:16 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:11:20 | kergoth | scary |
| 04:11:43 | whardier | ? |
| 04:11:54 | kergoth | yawns |
| 04:12:01 | whardier | :P |
| 04:12:24 | kergoth | someone should make iqnote's user interface better. |
| 04:12:47 | whardier | somebody shoult fix the utc bug |
| 04:14:04 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:14:08 | kergoth | figure out how |
| 04:14:12 | W|GGL|T | is away: I'm busy smoking a blunt or sleeping or something |
| 04:14:15 | kergoth | I dunno wtf the problem is |
| 04:14:32 | kergoth | we could solve it by running apmd in the background and installing the hwclock scripts in /etc/apm.d/ |
| 04:14:40 | kergoth | but I dont see a need to run apmd on a pda |
| 04:16:26 | kergoth | s/apm.d/apm/ |
| 04:16:49 | whardier | what about just setting the RTC and actually reading off of it :) |
| 04:18:16 | kergoth | heh. the hwclock scripts synchronize the rtc with the system clock |
| 04:18:48 | kergoth | I want to know how the hardware clock is being set to UTC in the first place |
| 04:20:29 | whardier | ever eaten an entire brick of cheese on one day |
| 04:20:33 | whardier | I advice against it |
| 04:21:10 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:26:16 | whardier | know what I do to nuns |
| 04:26:18 | whardier | spit |
| 04:26:24 | whardier | cause they have not been fucked in a while |
| 04:26:50 | MSpin | anyone have the socket card? |
| 04:27:04 | kergoth | MSpin: fraid not. why? |
| 04:27:14 | MSpin | I'm ready to test wlanmon against it |
| 04:27:20 | kergoth | ah |
| 04:27:29 | kergoth | well i have oz which uses wireless-tools on a prism2 card |
| 04:27:32 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:27:35 | MSpin | ooo |
| 04:27:39 | kergoth | close enough? |
| 04:27:42 | MSpin | yeah |
| 04:27:52 | MSpin | e-mail> |
| 04:27:55 | | you are available at mailto:kergoth@digitalnemesis.net |
| 04:27:55 | kergoth | ibot: kergoth? |
| 04:28:09 | MSpin | sweet, give me a sec to strip it |
| 04:28:12 | kergoth | k |
| 04:28:26 | [DrEvil] | raises an eyebrow at MSpin |
| 04:28:45 | [DrEvil] | I love it when you talk dirty |
| 04:28:54 | kergoth | heheh. set himself up for that one |
| 04:29:03 | MSpin | heh |
| 04:29:07 | MSpin | [DrEvil]: you know it:) |
| 04:29:16 | MSpin | 81k, belh |
| 04:29:28 | MSpin | kergoth: the sig strength isn't implemented yet |
| 04:29:34 | MSpin | but the rest should work |
| 04:29:35 | kergoth | MSpin: k |
| 04:29:58 | [DrEvil] | why the hell didn't you implement signal strength yet? |
| 04:30:08 | MSpin | [DrEvil]: fuck off:) |
| 04:30:20 | MSpin | I just wrote all this up in a hour |
| 04:30:26 | whardier | pocalolo tree.. |
| 04:30:29 | [DrEvil] | ahh |
| 04:30:32 | [DrEvil] | quick and dirty |
| 04:30:36 | [DrEvil] | the way you like it |
| 04:30:37 | MSpin | hehe |
| 04:30:45 | MSpin | who said anything 'bout quick? |
| 04:31:09 | [DrEvil] | Penguin was talking about ordering a Buffalo card today |
| 04:31:26 | MSpin | yeah, I'd like to order a better one |
| 04:31:29 | nyargh | anyone had any luck with kismet and the socket card? |
| 04:31:39 | [DrEvil] | $103 at Insight |
| 04:31:39 | MSpin | when I got my linksys it was the best out there |
| 04:31:46 | MSpin | sweet |
| 04:31:46 | nyargh | i like my smc |
| 04:32:03 | [DrEvil] | I don't like how the Linksys sits on the Z |
| 04:32:06 | MSpin | nyargh: no, but I don't own one, and it doesn't seem to work with my linksys |
| 04:32:07 | nyargh | i'd love to get a socket/buffalo but i want to run kismet on it |
| 04:32:16 | [DrEvil] | that gap between the antenna and the case |
| 04:32:20 | nyargh | it *should* work with the linksys |
| 04:32:22 | MSpin | [DrEvil]: it's better then the dlink |
| 04:32:25 | nyargh | but it's a bit kludgy anyhow |
| 04:32:37 | kergoth | nyargh: I'll be testing kismet with wireless-tools for both prism2 and the spectrum-cs driver shortly. |
| 04:32:49 | nyargh | cool |
| 04:33:00 | nyargh | i'll ping you later and see how it goes :) |
| 04:33:03 | MSpin | kistmet might take some massaging because it's normally built for prism2 stuff, right? |
| 04:33:14 | nyargh | erm |
| 04:33:15 | nyargh | sorta |
| 04:33:18 | MSpin | [DrEvil]: did you install wlanmon, yet?:) |
| 04:33:20 | nyargh | there's a few components |
| 04:33:25 | kergoth | MSpin: it supports libpcap instead of prism2 directly as well |
| 04:33:29 | kergoth | MSpin: i suspect pcap will work |
| 04:33:33 | MSpin | yesh |
| 04:33:43 | nyargh | but the key is putting the card into monitoring mode |
| 04:33:47 | MSpin | yeah |
| 04:33:49 | [DrEvil] | yes |
| 04:33:51 | nyargh | and the channel hopping, if required |
| 04:33:51 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:33:57 | nyargh | that's the card-specific stuff |
| 04:34:10 | MSpin | is there any way to use kismet and stay on a network? |
| 04:34:17 | kergoth | not card specific.. driver specific. close enough tho :-) |
| 04:34:20 | [DrEvil] | the Linksys is going back as soon as the Buffalo comes back |
| 04:34:22 | kergoth | MSpin: thatd be nifty |
| 04:34:23 | [DrEvil] | comes in |
| 04:34:26 | nyargh | kergoth: /chipset/ specific ;) |
| 04:34:37 | kergoth | hehe |
| 04:34:39 | kergoth | whatever :-) |
| 04:34:45 | nyargh | MSpin: don't think so. it would depend on the card tho |
| 04:35:05 | nyargh | MSpin: you might able to w/ pcap, but most cards won't transmit in monitor mode |
| 04:35:18 | MSpin | nyargh: I'd like to find a way to bring up a list of APs/networks to connect to |
| 04:35:24 | nyargh | i think the cisco can, but i'm pretty fuzzy on that |
| 04:35:49 | nyargh | MSpin: well what's even worse, is that apparently on some cards you have to eject them before getting them back to normal |
| 04:35:55 | MSpin | grabs his cisco cardand tries to put in the Z....damn..won't fit |
| 04:35:56 | MSpin | :) |
| 04:36:11 | MSpin | nyargh: bleh |
| 04:36:30 | nyargh | MSpin: nothings preventing you from putting all that in a shells cript tho ;) |
| 04:36:36 | nyargh | it's just helluv flaky in my exp. |
| 04:36:40 | MSpin | yeah |
| 04:36:49 | MSpin | wb kergoth |
| 04:37:43 | Twiun | morning |
| 04:37:47 | Twiun | yawns |
| 04:37:59 | MSpin | you know, I really like a lot of linksys products |
| 04:38:02 | MSpin | heya Twiun |
| 04:38:14 | kergoth | thanks |
| 04:38:16 | kergoth | hey Twiun |
| 04:38:17 | Twiun | gah... this is an ungodly hour for me to be up |
| 04:39:28 | kergoth | what time is it there? |
| 04:39:56 | [DrEvil] | I wonder if that girl who drives the X-Wing Tercel will be out this week |
| 04:39:59 | Twiun | 5:43 |
| 04:40:12 | Twiun | I never usually get up before 7:30 |
| 04:40:16 | kergoth | yep, thats an ungodly hour alright |
| 04:40:30 | Twiun | and even that's a nuisance |
| 04:41:19 | MSpin | [DrEvil]: why would you care? |
| 04:41:32 | [DrEvil] | because I think it is funny |
| 04:41:50 | [DrEvil] | the fanatics coming out of the woodwork |
| 04:42:05 | MSpin | hehe |
| 04:43:52 | [DrEvil] | I'm watching the SW Fan Film Festival that Sci-Fi was showing |
| 04:46:30 | kergoth | MSpin: I'm not connected to an AP at the moment |
| 04:46:51 | Fatbum | hey who paid for qt anything? |
| 04:47:10 | kergoth | MSpin: its got garbage for the SSID .. right now my SSID is "" |
| 04:47:45 | MSpin | ok |
| 04:47:53 | MSpin | hrm |
| 04:48:09 | kergoth | MSpin: it picked up the MAC, but it appears different than what iwconfig shows for the mac of the access point |
| 04:48:47 | kergoth | MSpin: cant tell you anything about the rest so far since i have no AP here |
| 04:48:51 | kergoth | MSpin: i'll test further tomorrow at work |
| 04:50:13 | MSpin | cool, I can do limited testing with my laptop |
| 04:50:32 | MSpin | I'm checking the unassociated case now |
| 04:50:38 | Fatbum | i need to set up wireless lan here |
| 04:50:46 | Fatbum | we have cable modem....i have routers and hubs |
| 04:50:52 | kergoth | MSpin: k |
| 04:50:52 | Fatbum | i just needa know how to do wireless |
| 04:51:47 | Fatbum | any1? |
| 04:51:54 | kergoth | Fatbum: ? |
| 04:52:00 | MSpin | Fatbum: you need to get an Access Point |
| 04:52:15 | kergoth | Fatbum: search google man, i'm not teaching you fundamentals :-P |
| 04:53:22 | Fatbum | yep...aps |
| 04:53:27 | Fatbum | how many would i need for a house? |
| 04:53:38 | Fatbum | one upstairs...one downstairs? |
| 04:53:50 | Fatbum | would that cover a pretty broad area? |
| 04:53:53 | Fatbum | like outside too? |
| 04:53:56 | Fatbum | backyard i mean |
| 04:55:22 | MSpin | Fatbum: look at the ranges provided by the companies that make 'em |
| 04:55:45 | Fatbum | is linksys good? |
| 04:55:50 | MSpin | or buy one, and put it in different locations to see how it fares |
| 04:55:55 | MSpin | I've have good luck with them |
| 04:57:33 | Fatbum | http://www.us.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=10321883&hdwt=30704&loc=101 |
| 04:57:36 | Fatbum | ?? |
| 04:59:55 | [DrEvil] | fuck buy.com |
| 05:00:14 | [DrEvil] | idiots |
| 05:00:34 | MSpin | I've never worked with the 802.11a stuff |
| 05:01:55 | [DrEvil] | I wonder when my SD card will arrive |
| 05:03:02 | MSpin | LOL, no wonder I can't test the no networ kcase...I'm picking up another network |
| 05:03:13 | MSpin | woohoo, free cable |
| 05:03:23 | [DrEvil] | anything good? |
| 05:03:28 | Fatbum | im not saying ima buy from them dude |
| 05:03:36 | Fatbum | ima just saying, is that the ap i want |
| 05:03:59 | MSpin | [DrEvil]: duno yet |
| 05:03:59 | Fatbum | nig it up jeez |
| 05:04:08 | Fatbum | well late every1 |
| 05:04:15 | [DrEvil] | can you see their Windoze boxes |
| 05:04:17 | Fatbum | ill come back soon with my zzzzzzzzz |
| 05:04:25 | Fatbum | hack em good MSpin |
| 05:04:26 | [DrEvil] | print something to their printer |
| 05:04:27 | [DrEvil] | heh |
| 05:04:28 | MSpin | [DrEvil]: yes |
| 05:04:29 | Fatbum | haha |
| 05:04:34 | Fatbum | coool |
| 05:04:39 | Fatbum | seein windoowz |
| 05:04:42 | [DrEvil] | print a pr0n pic |
| 05:04:45 | Fatbum | hehe |
| 05:04:58 | [DrEvil] | or send lots of winpopups to them |
| 05:05:11 | [DrEvil] | make it sound like a Scream movie |
| 05:05:26 | kergoth | every1 <--he's leet |
| 05:05:42 | MSpin | veyr |
| 05:09:42 | MSpin | kergoth: I jsut fired off another version, I found a typo in the ssid stuff |
| 05:10:23 | kergoth | MSpin: k |
| 05:10:55 | Guest | hi |
| 05:26:44 | kergoth | sup mike |
| 05:27:26 | Twiun | woohoo ;-) finally got my zaurus html simulator working ;-) |
| 05:27:42 | Twiun | http://adorphuye.com/zaurus/java/faq.jsp <-- bottom left-hand corner of the page |
| 05:28:45 | Twiun | still have to cut the content up into smaller chunks for the poor zaurus ;-) |
| 06:44:05 | MSpin | heya kergoth |
| 06:44:26 | kergoth | hey |
| 06:44:55 | kergoth | any idea where i can get the atd used on the Z/ipaq? |
| 06:45:01 | kergoth | stock atd doesnt work |
| 06:45:01 | kergoth | heh |
| 06:45:11 | kergoth | MSpin: it picks up ssid when unassociated now |
| 06:46:10 | MSpin | kergoth: cool |
| 06:46:22 | MSpin | does handhealds.org have it? |
| 06:46:58 | kergoth | hmm probably |
| 06:47:33 | kergoth | yep, i'll have the system grab it from handhelds cvs |
| 06:52:45 | MSpin | want another version with signal strength? |
| 06:53:05 | kergoth | sure. I'll do thorough testing at work in the mornin |
| 06:57:28 | MSpin | there |
| 06:58:35 | kergoth | cool. I'm headin to bed shortly.. night |
| 07:00:13 | MSpin | night |
| 10:35:43 | rikkus | I need libjpeg headers+libs (compiled with arm-gcc)... is there a canonical place to look for such things ? |
| 10:36:40 | zecke|tiefschlaf | rikkus: people just copied it out from qt/e and compiled it |
| 10:37:07 | rikkus | hehe |
| 10:37:17 | rikkus | ok, thanks |
| 10:37:24 | zecke|tiefschlaf | rikkus: Qt/e for Z is compiled with jpeg support |
| 10:43:25 | rikkus | grep -l jpeg_read_scanlines /opt/Qtopia/sharp/lib/libqte.so.2.3.2 |
| 10:43:28 | rikkus | -> nothing |
| 10:43:30 | rikkus | :/ |
| 10:43:33 | rikkus | well, close |
| 10:43:47 | rikkus | just that, and I'm linked for Z I think |
| 10:50:37 | rikkus | getting the qpe source to rip libjpeg out of |
| 10:51:08 | zecke|tiefschlaf | rikkus: stupid trolls |
| 10:51:21 | zecke|tiefschlaf | rikkus: on Sharp Rom libjpeg is included |
| 10:51:21 | rikkus | it's not in qte for some reason |
| 10:51:33 | rikkus | I see |
| 10:51:38 | zecke|tiefschlaf | rikkus: the same reason it's not in Qt/Free for Windoze? |
| 10:51:48 | rikkus | the problem is just that thekompany's lib uses libjpeg |
| 10:51:55 | rikkus | directly |
| 10:52:19 | zecke|tiefschlaf | rikkus: directly or as QImageIO? |
| 10:52:24 | zecke|tiefschlaf | rikkus: but I need to go |
| 10:52:26 | zecke|tiefschlaf | cya |
| 10:52:43 | rikkus | directly :| |
| 10:52:45 | rikkus | bye |
| 10:52:52 | zecke|tiefschlaf | :( |
| 10:53:39 | rikkus | would ask thekompany people, but our irc server is down :} |
| 10:53:53 | zecke|tiefschlaf | :( |
| 13:03:30 | numatrix | is back (gone 15:05:04) |
| 13:22:31 | BigBoss | howdy ho |
| 13:22:37 | orzel | hi |
| 14:15:50 | BigBoss | hey rik |
| 14:15:58 | rikkus | hi |
| 14:16:07 | BigBoss | the power supply on valentine fried last night about 8 hours ago, should be back in about 30 minutes |
| 14:16:12 | rikkus | ok |
| 14:39:55 | kergoth | stupidly did a make distclean in buildroot-oz |
| 14:40:02 | kergoth | waits patiently for it to redownload everything |
| 14:45:31 | kergoth | morning roger |
| 14:45:53 | roge99 | morin kergoth |
| 14:45:59 | roge99 | hows it going |
| 14:46:01 | kergoth | I'm so tired. |
| 14:46:03 | kergoth | you? |
| 14:46:04 | kergoth | heh |
| 14:46:15 | roge99 | i slept late ! |
| 14:46:15 | kergoth | slams another mt dew |
| 14:46:19 | kergoth | ah nice |
| 14:46:43 | roge99 | but I have had a busy week (weekend too) |
| 14:46:59 | roge99 | i blew a head gasket in my car on thurs night |
| 14:47:04 | kergoth | ah shit.. |
| 14:47:37 | roge99 | fixed it on sat night |
| 14:47:49 | roge99 | up till 3am |
| 14:50:41 | roge99 | hows OZ doing |
| 14:51:05 | kergoth | not bad. just adding atd to the buildsystem atm so that alarms will wake up the zaurus again... |
| 14:51:07 | kergoth | hehe |
| 14:51:08 | kergoth | hey ljp |
| 14:51:10 | kergoth | how goes it |
| 14:52:00 | kergoth | man i screwed up.. accidentally wiped the oz buildroot build directory... now i get to watch glibc and the kernel and everything else rebuild.. |
| 14:52:02 | kergoth | mutters |
| 14:52:28 | ljp_ | hehehh.. ummm on a Tuesday? |
| 14:52:36 | roge99 | how fast is your box ? |
| 14:53:03 | kergoth | ljp_: yeah, guess things didnt go too badly yesterday and its making up for it today |
| 14:53:18 | kergoth | roge99: its on a p3 750.. it'll be a while. i shouldve built this on my dual processor box at work. ah well |
| 14:56:33 | kergoth | woah |
| 14:56:41 | kergoth | orinoco-cs just worked with my d-link for the first time |
| 14:56:44 | kergoth | weird. |
| 14:57:22 | kergoth | so now i can use that or prism2 |
| 14:57:24 | kergoth | heh |
| 14:57:29 | ljp_ | hmmm must be not a Monday |
| 14:57:43 | kergoth | yeah things wouldnt just spontaniously work on a monday :-) |
| 14:59:09 | JasonNJ | morning |
| 14:59:13 | JasonNJ | hows it going kerg |
| 14:59:15 | kergoth | hey jason |
| 14:59:18 | JasonNJ | gota new initrd? |
| 14:59:24 | kergoth | not bad at all. things are spontaniously working this morning |
| 14:59:34 | JasonNJ | spontaneously? |
| 14:59:41 | JasonNJ | you mean without fixing anything? |
| 14:59:44 | kergoth | yeah orinoco-cs just worked with my prism2 card |
| 14:59:48 | kergoth | without changing a damn thing |
| 14:59:49 | kergoth | hehe |
| 14:59:50 | kergoth | odd |
| 15:00:10 | kergoth | JasonNJ: accidentally wiped the build dir though.. |
| 15:00:15 | JasonNJ | oy. |
| 15:00:19 | kergoth | JasonNJ: it'll be a while .. i'm watching glibc build again atm |
| 15:00:24 | JasonNJ | how long does that set us back |
| 15:00:39 | kergoth | not long. it'll finish rebuilding all of openzaurus in about an hour |
| 15:00:47 | kergoth | in the meantime i'm fixing other bugs, so its no prob |
| 15:00:56 | kergoth | i was synced with cvs at the time |
| 15:00:58 | kergoth | :-) |
| 15:01:09 | kergoth | brb, caffeine run |
| 15:01:18 | JasonNJ | kergoth do you know of any open specs on the way teh z's bootloader works? |
| 15:01:27 | JasonNJ | like what headers it expects, etc |
| 15:01:53 | JasonNJ | I've been getting those questions from people who want to port other oses to the Z |
| 15:02:34 | JasonNJ | I've asked sharp japan for them but its likely going to be in japanese |
| 15:04:00 | kergoth | JasonNJ: nope, I have no information on the bootloader. did bzflag ever get a jtag? |
| 15:04:41 | JasonNJ | nope |
| 15:04:46 | JasonNJ | we are woking on that right now |
| 15:04:46 | kergoth | ibot: message for mspin: latest wlanmon runs, picks up mac and ssid, but speed is locked at 34, wrong. channel is locked at 0.. wrong, and all the quality ratings are stuck at -1. |
| 15:04:58 | kergoth | JasonNJ: cool |
| 15:08:10 | kergoth | ibot: message for mspin: update. the MAC its picking up is neither the mac of the card or of the access point.. i have no idea where its coming from |
| 15:09:53 | JasonNJ | heh major game system price cuts ahead |
| 15:09:57 | JasonNJ | x box at 199 |
| 15:10:02 | JasonNJ | Ps2 go go down |
| 15:10:15 | JasonNJ | maybe I will finally get a PS2 then |
| 15:10:34 | kergoth | eh nice. i held off on buying one myself |
| 15:11:25 | kergoth | man I love 'any' essid actually working. shit i should altere the default wireless.opts to be actually useful before i build this initrd |
| 15:12:39 | JasonNJ | $199 PS2's |
| 15:13:04 | JasonNJ | now I'll get one |
| 15:14:29 | kergoth | hey warmi |
| 15:14:33 | warmi | hi |
| 15:14:41 | kergoth | how's it goin? |
| 15:14:49 | warmi | not bad .... |
| 15:14:55 | warmi | forgot .. are you in the contest ? |
| 15:15:03 | warmi | Trolls contest |
| 15:15:42 | JasonNJ | apparently the contest was held up due to Jerry Epplin |
| 15:15:46 | kergoth | nah im not |
| 15:15:48 | kergoth | jerry epplin? |
| 15:15:53 | JasonNJ | the judge from LinuxDevices.com |
| 15:15:59 | kergoth | ah |
| 15:16:01 | JasonNJ | he didnt finish his judging |
| 15:16:07 | JasonNJ | he was supposed to finish yesterday |
| 15:16:14 | JasonNJ | aron at Troll is supposed to update me on it |
| 15:16:18 | BigBoss | and he didn't? |
| 15:16:20 | JasonNJ | I finished my judging 2 weeks ago |
| 15:16:31 | BigBoss | because you are concientious :) |
| 15:16:33 | warmi | so it looks like it should be over sometime this week |
| 15:16:48 | JasonNJ | BigBoss: no because I didnt want to be a slacker |
| 15:16:57 | BigBoss | I've already made room for the big screen TV - I hope Jerry finishes soon :) |
| 15:17:30 | warmi | heh |
| 15:18:05 | warmi | anyway .. back to work |
| 15:18:19 | kergoth | mornin rikkus |
| 15:19:14 | kergoth | any volunteers running OZ want to test out my atd package to confirm that alarms now wake up the unit? |
| 15:20:24 | ljp_ | oh.. heh I was going to do that.. suppose I should try, eh.. |
| 15:21:07 | kergoth | shit |
| 15:21:09 | kergoth | i forgot to report this |
| 15:21:15 | kergoth | /usr/bin/ld: BFD 2.12.90.0.1 20020307 Debian/GNU Linux internal error, abortin |
| 15:21:15 | kergoth | at ../../bfd/elf32-i386.c line 2040 in elf_i386_relocate_section |
| 15:21:15 | kergoth | /usr/bin/ld: Please report this bug. |
| 15:21:17 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:21:34 | ljp_ | hahaha |
| 15:24:20 | ljp_ | kergoth: I just need at ipk? |
| 15:24:41 | kergoth | actually the at ipk is useless on our Z.. hold on |
| 15:24:49 | ljp_ | hmmm |
| 15:25:10 | kergoth | okay grab the atd package |
| 15:25:28 | kergoth | the standard at package doesnt know how to talk to the rtc on our unit |
| 15:25:34 | kergoth | so i've been able to gather anyway |
| 15:27:22 | kergoth | ahah! |
| 15:27:25 | kergoth | i found that bug |
| 15:27:28 | kergoth | fuck reporting it |
| 15:27:37 | kergoth | carl worth commited compiled binaries into cvs |
| 15:27:48 | kergoth | just need to distclean before i start building |
| 15:27:48 | kergoth | sheesh |
| 15:28:04 | rikkus_ | hehe |
| 15:28:23 | ljp_ | hmmm |
| 15:28:36 | kergoth | ljp_: tried atd yet? |
| 15:29:38 | ljp_ | atd? |
| 15:29:43 | ljp_ | isnt that at? |
| 15:29:52 | kergoth | atd package includes at and atd, just as the at package does |
| 15:30:10 | kergoth | but they're two completely different sources.. at is the standard at/atd on every linux system, and it doesnt work on the zaurus/ipaq |
| 15:30:22 | kergoth | the atd package is the source from russel nelson for familiar which works on the zaurus/ipaq |
| 15:30:25 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:30:27 | hunger | kergoth: I installed at this morning. |
| 15:30:28 | kergoth | hey hunger |
| 15:30:34 | kergoth | hunger: at wont work :-) |
| 15:30:42 | ljp_ | I'm talking from the feed.. |
| 15:30:44 | kergoth | hunger: ipkg remove at; ipkg install atd; |
| 15:30:52 | kergoth | ljp_: me too. there are two packages, at and atd. i havent removed at yet. |
| 15:30:53 | hunger | kergoth: Could you please update the feed? I had to manually get the latest version. |
| 15:31:01 | kergoth | hunger: i just updated it about 30 seconds ago |
| 15:31:03 | ljp_ | heh ohh.. refreshing helps |
| 15:31:07 | kergoth | hehe |
| 15:32:04 | hunger | I got atd now. |
| 15:32:24 | kergoth | k, let me know if it'll wake itself up from resume for an alarm now |
| 15:45:11 | ljp_ | hmm ipkg: Cannot link from ./usr/bin/atq to './usr/bin/atd': No such file or directory |
| 15:45:43 | ljp_ | err /usr/sbin/atd |
| 15:46:34 | ljp_ | atq? |
| 15:49:21 | kergoth | ljp_: no idea what atq is.. I'll change it from a hardlink to a symlink... |
| 15:51:37 | ljp_ | heheh worked once I fixed the link.. but let me try a 'deeper' suspend |
| 15:55:38 | kergoth | ljp_: i still dont get what you mean by 'deep' |
| 15:55:38 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:55:55 | kergoth | new busybox supports the 'who' command |
| 15:57:20 | ljp_ | there is two levels of suspend |
| 15:57:26 | ljp_ | I think |
| 15:57:38 | kergoth | there is? |
| 15:57:56 | ljp_ | hmm nope didnt wake up |
| 15:58:13 | kergoth | bipolar: ping |
| 15:58:23 | ljp_ | well.. kinda.. after the light goes off and before it really suspends |
| 15:58:27 | kergoth | bipolar: you know about this atd shit.. i need assistance |
| 15:58:39 | kergoth | ljp_: bah, disabled frontlight is not a level of suspend :-P |
| 15:59:51 | kergoth | ljp_: ack, the startup script will fail |
| 15:59:57 | kergoth | ljp_: manually run atd in the background and test again |
| 16:00:13 | kergoth | ljp_; also after running it, confirm that /var/spool/at/ exists |
| 16:00:41 | kergoth | man the busybox version of start-stop-daemon is starting to annoy me, i keep having to alter startup scripts |
| 16:00:41 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:06:46 | kergoth | damnit sourceforge switching to telia fucked up some of my builds that downloaded files from SF |
| 16:06:47 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:07:05 | kergoth | er |
| 16:07:11 | kergoth | s/telia/whatever their new download system is called/ |
| 16:07:20 | kergoth | goddamn i'm tired. and talking to myself. wake up people. |
| 16:07:21 | ljp_ | heh so instead of source, you got htmll ... hehe how does that compile? |
| 16:07:35 | kergoth | heheh |
| 16:07:43 | ljp_ | ghh |
| 16:07:57 | kergoth | any luck with atd? |
| 16:07:57 | hunger | kergoth: We are soaking up the wisdem you are dispensing among us. |
| 16:08:05 | kergoth | jaj |
| 16:08:08 | kergoth | hah too |
| 16:08:31 | hunger | kergoth: It's installed here... how do I test it? |
| 16:08:58 | kergoth | first manually run /usr/sbin/atd |
| 16:09:16 | kergoth | then confirm that /var/spool/at exists.. if not, mkdir /var/spool/at && >/var/spool/at/trigger |
| 16:09:20 | fusion94 | kergoth: sourceforge owns your soul |
| 16:09:36 | kergoth | hunger: then run datebook, set an alarm, and suspend the Z. then confirm that it wakes up when the alarm shoudl go off |
| 16:09:41 | kergoth | fusion94: scary thought |
| 16:10:07 | fusion94 | yep |
| 16:10:13 | hunger | kergoth: Never had my Z sounding an allarm. I wonder how that sounds... |
| 16:10:22 | hunger | sets an alarm to go of in a few minutes. |
| 16:10:23 | kergoth | hehe |
| 16:11:47 | hunger | kergoth: Now the questin is: Will it go of at 16:15 MTC or 18:15UTC? Which timezone is in effect after a suspend but before a resume? :-) |
| 16:12:22 | hunger | s/MTC/MET/ |
| 16:12:46 | ljp_ | well, on mine it resets to UTC |
| 16:14:12 | bipolar | kergoth: pong |
| 16:14:25 | hunger | ljp_: Hmmm... so does mine. |
| 16:14:26 | kergoth | hunger: i have no idea whats fucking that up... |
| 16:14:49 | hunger | kergoth: You don't happen to be in UTC? So you won't notice that effect? :-) |
| 16:15:01 | kergoth | bipolar: can you explain whats up with this atd version by russell nelson? why didnt they add support for the sa1100 rtc to standard at/atd? |
| 16:15:07 | kergoth | hunger: no, i'm not in utc |
| 16:15:14 | bipolar | kergoth: atd sux |
| 16:15:17 | bipolar | kergoth: nuf said |
| 16:15:28 | kergoth | bipolar: hah. so why's lineo using it? |
| 16:15:41 | kergoth | bipolar: how does the ipaq wake up for alarms? |
| 16:15:46 | kergoth | hey mspin |
| 16:15:49 | bipolar | kergoth: atd never worked right in my eyes. Thats why I wrote ipaqalarm |
| 16:15:50 | | kergoth: sorry... |
| 16:15:50 | kergoth | ibot has messages for you |
| 16:15:52 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:15:52 | MSpin | heya kergoth |
| 16:16:07 | bipolar | kergoth: it's TT's fault |
| 16:16:12 | kergoth | bipolar: hehe |
| 16:16:19 | kergoth | bipolar: so how does ipaqalarm work? |
| 16:16:32 | kergoth | bipolar: the whole point of OZ is to fix their screwups, so I'd like to do this the best way possible. |
| 16:16:50 | MSpin | kergoth: hrm.....thanks |
| 16:16:56 | bipolar | kergoth: if you want OZ to work the best, have the alarmserver set the RTC alarm DIRECTLY |
| 16:17:35 | kergoth | bipolar: so alter opie to directly interface with the rtc then? |
| 16:17:41 | bipolar | kergoth: or, if you can get me a way to read what the next alarm is in alarmservers que, I can rewrite ipaqalarm. |
| 16:17:46 | bipolar | kergoth: correct |
| 16:17:47 | kergoth | bipolar: hmm |
| 16:17:54 | bipolar | kergoth: too many layers right now |
| 16:18:19 | kergoth | bipolar: ah, makes sense. well I'm going to hack atd into oz for the moment, just to get basic functionality. i'll put that further on my todo list |
| 16:18:20 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:18:27 | bipolar | kergoth: I have not heard weather or not the Zaurus has the midnight limitation though. |
| 16:19:12 | kergoth | bipolar: hmm.whats the midnight limitation? i heard the ipaq has to wake up at midnight, but not why |
| 16:19:43 | bipolar | kergoth: thats what I'm talking about |
| 16:19:55 | kergoth | bipolar: why does it have to wake up at midnight, i mean |
| 16:19:55 | bipolar | kergoth: the RTC alarm does not have a date |
| 16:19:59 | kergoth | bipolar: ohh |
| 16:20:03 | kergoth | bipolar: thatd do it. heh |
| 16:20:14 | bipolar | kergoth: so alarms can not be set for anything but the current day |
| 16:20:38 | bipolar | kergoth: it would be better to get around that with a better RTC module. |
| 16:20:50 | bipolar | kergoth: but that does not seem to fly too well. he |
| 16:20:59 | ljp_ | it works if I manually run atd |
| 16:21:16 | kergoth | ljp_: sweet, I'll fix the package and initscript and release a new revision. |
| 16:22:03 | ljp_ | kergoth: did you see the new opie background? |
| 16:22:06 | kergoth | shit i should update hotplug.. they have a new release as of 04-01 .. the last one before that was 01-14 |
| 16:22:10 | kergoth | ljp_: not yet.. hows it look? |
| 16:23:11 | kergoth | ljp_: hah.. sweet |
| 16:23:30 | ljp_ | Harlekin did that |
| 16:23:43 | orzel | Kvim is being ported to opie.. |
| 16:23:56 | kergoth | orzel: yes, what of it? |
| 16:23:59 | kergoth | ljp_: its good work |
| 16:24:25 | ljp_ | ya.. I like that one |
| 16:24:36 | orzel | kergoth : didn't have news for some days. It's already usable I think |
| 16:24:40 | ljp_ | THAT would be nice on a t-shirt! |
| 16:24:44 | kergoth | orzel: yes it is |
| 16:24:51 | kergoth | ljp_: oooo lets put it on cafepress.com |
| 16:24:55 | orzel | kergoth : you tried it ? |
| 16:25:22 | kergoth | orzel: mark reported that he had it functioning as of a day or two ago, I dont think he's made it available yet though |
| 16:25:24 | ljp_ | I tried vi on my Z once.. got scared and rebooted... ;) |
| 16:26:07 | ljp_ | kergoth: who's got control of cafepress? |
| 16:26:27 | orzel | ljp : That's not related to the z, then :) |
| 16:26:51 | orzel | kergoth : part of it is merged in our kvim cvs tree |
| 16:27:08 | kergoth | orzel: yes I heard.. the work he was doing was making it work with qt/e 2.3.2 iirc |
| 16:27:15 | kergoth | ljp_: someone jason knows |
| 16:27:22 | kergoth | ljp_: so we update it through him |
| 16:27:26 | ljp_ | hey.. you should be proud of me.. I can actually (probably) edit somethig with vi, (if needed) and save it and exit! woot! |
| 16:27:32 | orzel | kergoth : oh yes, he told me so |
| 16:27:39 | kergoth | orzel: ah :-) |
| 16:27:45 | kergoth | ljp_: hehe. congrats |
| 16:28:06 | ljp_ | heheheh google is good like that |
| 16:28:24 | kergoth | looks at his vi quick reference from oreilly in the bookcase |
| 16:28:28 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:28:32 | hunger | kergoth: The hwclock definitly works fine here. |
| 16:28:47 | kergoth | hunger: ? |
| 16:28:50 | hunger | kergoth: Maybe OPIE lost the timezones setting along the way? |
| 16:29:01 | hunger | kergoth: hwclock --show gives the correct time. |
| 16:29:07 | kergoth | hunger: oh weird. |
| 16:29:12 | kergoth | hunger: what about date? |
| 16:29:19 | kergoth | hunger: is systemtime correct too? |
| 16:29:24 | hunger | kergoth: date does not. |
| 16:29:33 | orzel | Is anybody here working on the zaurus linux kernel ? |
| 16:29:48 | kergoth | hunger: ah.. we're desynced .. hwclock --hw2sysc or whatever the hell that damn command line was.. hmmm |
| 16:29:54 | hunger | orzel: Just ask kergoth, he works on *EVERYTHING* :-) |
| 16:30:06 | kergoth | orzel: some of us alter it a bit.. and the kernel maintainer drops in now and again. why do you ask? |
| 16:30:13 | kergoth | hunger: shhhhh i dont have time for more projects. :-P |
| 16:30:21 | ljp_ | orzel: I've looked at the collie stuff... does that count? |
| 16:30:30 | hunger | kergoth: That fixes the issue:-) I tried that before. |
| 16:30:35 | kergoth | figured |
| 16:30:47 | hunger | kergoth: Do you have your timezone somewhere in /etc? |
| 16:30:49 | kergoth | hunger: see if we were running apmd, it would run the hwclock scripts in /etc/apm/ and sync it up on suspend/resume |
| 16:30:58 | hunger | kergoth: I can't find it mentioned anywhere. |
| 16:31:01 | ljp_ | bbl |
| 16:31:04 | kergoth | hunger: hmm.. not certain. I'm still learning some of this stuff.. |
| 16:31:29 | hunger | kergoth: the hwclock scripts use /etc/localtime or something... |
| 16:31:32 | MSpin | kergoth: was it the second wlanmon that you tested for me? |
| 16:31:33 | kergoth | hunger: libc expects your timezone selection to be a symlink called localtime in /etc that points to the correct zone out in /usr/share/zoneinfo.. perhaps creating that would help? |
| 16:31:35 | kergoth | hunger: hehe |
| 16:32:00 | hunger | kergoth: I have /etc/timezone on my desktop. |
| 16:32:03 | kergoth | MSpin: i tested the third.. the one you said fixed the levels.. the second one had nothing at all for the quality levels instead of -1 |
| 16:32:05 | kergoth | hunger: hmm |
| 16:32:14 | hunger | kergoth: I expect we need something like that on the Z. |
| 16:32:14 | MSpin | kergoth: hrm... |
| 16:32:19 | kergoth | hunger: well my libc we build looks for /etc/localtime |
| 16:32:27 | kergoth | hunger: as a matter of fact.. you remember that vi segfault? |
| 16:32:30 | orzel | Ljp : collie stuff ? What's that ? |
| 16:32:37 | kergoth | orzel: the zaurus specific stuff |
| 16:33:06 | orzel | kergoth : I asked cause I'm interested in kernel programming. And the zaurus seems an interesting target |
| 16:33:06 | hunger | kergoth: There's a link called /etc/localtime... |
| 16:33:20 | kergoth | hunger: the segfault was caused by busybox vi trusting the value of errno.. and errno was accidentally set by libc trying to open() /etc/localtime and failing... |
| 16:33:22 | kergoth | hunger: there is? |
| 16:33:34 | kergoth | ugh i need more caffeine |
| 16:33:38 | kergoth | orzel: yes i agree. |
| 16:33:51 | hunger | kergoth: Forget that... |
| 16:34:03 | hunger | kergoth: I keep forgetting that rebooting stops ssh:-) |
| 16:34:29 | kergoth | orzel: if you're looking for a project, the sound driver is horrid and is in dire need of a rewrite.. the buzzer driver could be altered to be a full fledge OSS style sound driver as well.... and we could port all the zaurus stuff to a newer kernel rev |
| 16:34:31 | kergoth | hunger: hehe |
| 16:35:44 | MSpin | kergoth: what are you using for a kernel? |
| 16:35:52 | orzel | kergoth : oops, only that :) |
| 16:35:57 | hunger | kergoth: Hmmm... adding that link did not help |
| 16:36:05 | kergoth | MSpin: same as you, 2.4.6-rmk1-np2-embedix on the Z |
| 16:36:14 | kergoth | hunger: well it was worth a shot anyway.. heh |
| 16:36:28 | kergoth | hunger: so the question is, who's fucking with the system clock. |
| 16:36:30 | kergoth | hunger: heh |
| 16:36:41 | kergoth | MSpin: or did you mean desktop? |
| 16:36:48 | hunger | kergoth: sshd should really be started by default. |
| 16:36:49 | kergoth | orzel: oh thats just a beginning :-) |
| 16:36:53 | kergoth | hunger: it is.. |
| 16:37:00 | hunger | kergoth: Not for me. |
| 16:37:07 | kergoth | hunger: works here on 9.2 .. what rom are you on? |
| 16:37:42 | kergoth | hunger: you may want to full reset.. it'll reconfigure the sshd package (along with everything else) and thereby re-run the updatercd script to create your symlinks out in the rcX.d dirs |
| 16:37:43 | MSpin | kergoth: ya, Z, and you're using the orinoco driver that |
| 16:37:49 | MSpin | kergoth: ya, Z, and you're using the orinoco driver that's in that version? |
| 16:38:16 | kergoth | MSpin: well atm i'm using hte orinoco-cs driver.. but its not the stock orinoco-cs driver, its an altered one done by the guy who did the spectrum-cs driver.. the stock one will not work on a prism2 card properly. |
| 16:38:33 | MSpin | hrm |
| 16:38:52 | kergoth | want the sources? ive got a url |
| 16:38:53 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:39:03 | kergoth | MSpin: or you can wait for 9.5 ;-) |
| 16:39:12 | MSpin | it seems it's not running the latest wireless_extensions....but that's OK..I can read /proc/new/wireless instead of doing a ioctl |
| 16:39:31 | kergoth | hmmm |
| 16:39:34 | hunger | kergoth: ARE YOU MAD! FULL RESET! That will ruin my uptime! |
| 16:39:47 | kergoth | hunger: lol.. not to mention wipe your mtdram clean :-P |
| 16:39:54 | hunger | kergoth: Exactly. |
| 16:40:07 | kergoth | hunger: or you can just wander out to /usr/lib/ipkg/ and run the prerm script and then the postinst script for ssh-server. |
| 16:40:14 | kergoth | hunger: which is all the reconfigure script does :-) |
| 16:41:19 | hunger | kergoth: Where does the time come from after a suspend/resume? How does it make up how late it is? |
| 16:41:24 | ljp_ | doesn't expect much of an uptime running Oz just yet |
| 16:41:26 | [DrEvil] | glares at his Z |
| 16:41:43 | hunger | is away. |
| 16:41:46 | kergoth | hunger: I actually have no idea... i dont know enough about that shit yet..... |
| 16:41:57 | kergoth | hunger: I'm figuring this shit out on the fly |
| 16:41:58 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:42:08 | hunger | kergoth: It should get it from hwclock... |
| 16:42:15 | [DrEvil] | why is synching so flakey |
| 16:42:26 | [DrEvil] | it's flakier than a pie crust made with Crisco |
| 16:42:28 | orzel | bbl |
| 16:42:51 | kergoth | hunger: well if you look at /etc/apm/ on a desktop, you see there's a set of hwclock scripts for handling suspend/resume events.. |
| 16:43:00 | kergoth | hunger: but they're run by apmd .. which isnt running on the Z |
| 16:43:09 | kergoth | hunger: from what i've been able to gather anyway |
| 16:43:22 | kergoth | hunger: but who knows |
| 16:43:50 | hunger | kergoth: Yes. But it has a time directly after resume. |
| 16:44:16 | hunger | kergoth: That's the old one. It takes a sec or so for OPIE to update that to the UTC-time. |
| 16:44:43 | kergoth | hunger: I noticed that too. |
| 16:44:54 | hunger | kergoth: Could you do me a favour? |
| 16:44:58 | kergoth | hunger: anything useful in /var/log/messages if you run syslogd & klogd prior to suspend/resume? |
| 16:45:03 | kergoth | hunger: yeah waht? |
| 16:45:14 | hunger | kergoth: Could you check your /etc/defaults/rcS and tell me what you got for UTC? |
| 16:45:22 | kergoth | no |
| 16:45:30 | hunger | kergoth: no? |
| 16:45:32 | kergoth | no |
| 16:45:34 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:45:37 | hunger | kergoth: That's strange... |
| 16:45:40 | kergoth | let me check my sanity a moment |
| 16:45:43 | hunger | kergoth: That's what I had too. |
| 16:45:57 | hunger | kergoth: I changed that to 'yes' and voila, it works. |
| 16:46:11 | kergoth | err |
| 16:46:18 | kergoth | how? |
| 16:46:25 | kergoth | is confused |
| 16:46:58 | kergoth | well i'm not complaining |
| 16:47:01 | kergoth | i'll update the package |
| 16:47:12 | hunger | kergoth: I used 'vi /etc/defaults/rcS' |
| 16:47:23 | hunger | kergoth: Let me check... I'm rebooting. |
| 16:47:26 | kergoth | i didnt mean that.. |
| 16:47:27 | kergoth | hehe |
| 16:47:29 | kergoth | i meant why did that fix it |
| 16:48:14 | hunger | kergoth: At least the time does no longer jump to 20:50 instead of 18:50. |
| 16:48:47 | kergoth | yeh that was an annoying bug |
| 16:49:15 | hunger | kergoth: I'm AFK now. Bye! |
| 16:49:56 | kergoth | k ttyl |
| 16:50:34 | MSpin | kergoth: I think I got the chan and the AP MAC fixed, I'll tackle the /proc reads later |
| 16:50:58 | kergoth | MSpin: great. what version of wireless extensions is optimal? |
| 16:51:07 | kergoth | MSpin: i mean.. we're limited by the version supported by the 2.4.6 kernel.. |
| 16:51:25 | MSpin | I want to say that the latest version is 12 |
| 16:52:37 | kergoth | ah |
| 16:52:43 | kergoth | include/linux/wireless.h:#define WIRELESS_EXT 11 |
| 16:52:50 | MSpin | I had my doubts that my method would work being that the wireless.h that was in the kernel I was building didn't have the ioctl defined that I was using:) |
| 16:53:02 | MSpin | SIOCGIWSTATS is the nice one |
| 16:53:04 | kergoth | hehe |
| 16:53:11 | kergoth | so that was added recently i take it |
| 16:53:17 | MSpin | yeah |
| 16:53:25 | MSpin | I'll just do the proc reads |
| 16:53:42 | kergoth | cool |
| 17:12:39 | kergoth | anyone have any suggestions on how to handle cards that are supported by multiple drivers in pcmcia-cs? such as, prism2 cards are supported by wlan-ng, orinoco-cs, and prism2, and i could theoretically have all three installed at once |
| 17:13:33 | kergoth | i think wlan-ng just uses the first usable entry for a card, and ignore future entries.. |
| 17:14:21 | MSpin | hrm |
| 17:14:39 | ljp_ | have a driver bot contest.. last one standing wins |
| 17:14:57 | MSpin | well, wlan-ng would fall apart in the first round |
| 17:15:09 | MSpin | so, why not optimize it out? |
| 17:15:18 | kergoth | right now, pcmcia-cs ships with a /etc/pcmcia/config file that contains a prism2 entry for orinoco-cs.. if i want to use the kernel prism2 driver i'd have to edit it and change the entries, pain in the ass |
| 17:15:35 | kergoth | MSpin: yes i'm not looking at it much specifically, but im lookin for a generally useful method |
| 17:15:47 | kergoth | now it includes *.conf.. so i could pull the orinoco-cs shit into a seperate .conf |
| 17:15:54 | kergoth | and provide that conf by the orinoco-cs package.. |
| 17:15:57 | kergoth | that would help a bit anyway |
| 17:16:22 | MSpin | I think the prism2 cards are the only ones you really have to worry about |
| 17:16:32 | kergoth | yeah. the rest dont seem to be duplicated |
| 17:16:42 | MSpin | while there are multiple drivers for other pcmcia cards, there is one dominate driver |
| 17:16:48 | kergoth | yeah |
| 17:16:57 | kergoth | any ideas? |
| 17:16:58 | kergoth | hm |
| 17:17:32 | kergoth | I'm thinking having wlansetup have a tab for card add/removal.. and have it parse config, and *.conf and report duplicate entries and which is dominant |
| 17:17:50 | kergoth | but I still need a good solution out of the box, prior to running it |
| 17:18:24 | kergoth | ah well, I'll split /etc/pcmcia/config into some .conf files to give me more granularity for the moment, just so i can provide the orinoco configs with the orinoco package |
| 17:19:08 | MSpin | kergoth: that seems to be a reasonable solution |
| 17:19:39 | kergoth | k, ill do it. split out configs for now, and start work on adding /etc/pcmcia/wireless support to wlansetup.. and card add/removal as well. |
| 17:19:40 | kergoth | brb |
| 17:31:28 | mark | the new tkc apps out yet? |
| 17:31:54 | treke | what is being released now? |
| 17:31:58 | MEGASTeP | is back (gone 15:42:30) |
| 17:32:08 | mark | treke: they wont tell us |
| 17:32:26 | treke | the bastards! |
| 17:32:29 | mark | coz 'opie will strangely come out with it too' |
| 17:32:45 | ljp_ | heh ya.. thats what BB thinks.. |
| 17:33:08 | treke | Well he has to release it eventually... |
| 17:33:33 | mark | yeh, me and ljp_ are having a 'who can clone a tkc app quickest' contest :) |
| 17:33:56 | treke | ha. nice :) |
| 17:34:07 | treke | go clone tkcjabber |
| 17:35:25 | mark | isn't someone working on one? |
| 17:35:59 | kergoth | yeah .. qtjim or whatever |
| 17:36:13 | treke | oh cool |
| 17:36:57 | treke | likes the way jabber keeps you connected even when offline. Handy for opie where suspend keeps shutting you down |
| 17:36:58 | ljp_ | heheheh what does the winner win? |
| 17:37:16 | treke | BigBoss's eternal hatred |
| 17:38:01 | ljp_ | hehehe |
| 17:38:28 | ljp_ | hehehe, he should pay us NOT to develop.. :) |
| 17:38:45 | peanut | waves |
| 17:38:48 | kergoth | hey peanut |
| 17:38:58 | peanut | question.. is there a way to spec a proxy for a network feed? |
| 17:39:04 | peanut | more importantly, a port. |
| 17:39:10 | peanut | i tried http://proxyserver:port |
| 17:39:15 | peanut | and proxyserver:port to no avail |
| 17:39:53 | mark | ljp_: hehe |
| 17:41:06 | tux_mike | >< |
| 17:41:25 | tux_mike | ok, this laptop is gonna get chucked out the window if it doesn't keep a FS |
| 17:41:37 | kergoth | peanut: there are proxy specific settings in ipkg.conf... |
| 17:41:42 | kergoth | tux_mike: probs? |
| 17:42:00 | tux_mike | kergoth: i think it's either bad ram or a bad sys board |
| 17:42:15 | BigBoss | is someone talking about me? |
| 17:42:19 | tux_mike | if it's a bad sys board, it's gonna be a pain in the ass to fix |
| 17:42:56 | BigBoss | mark: we've got some new apps coming out next week - 3 or 4 I think |
| 17:43:29 | peanut | BigBoss: what apps? |
| 17:43:50 | BigBoss | well since ljp is more interested in cloning our apps than a possible position with us - I'll just wait till we release them to tell you :) |
| 17:44:02 | ljp_ | heh you only think that BB |
| 17:44:26 | ljp_ | whats tkc apps have a supposedly 'cloned'? |
| 17:44:28 | mark | hehe |
| 17:44:46 | BigBoss | I read back in the log and you made a comment about "cloning the tkc apps the fastest contest" or something |
| 17:44:52 | ljp_ | hehehe |
| 17:45:11 | mark | BigBoss: hehe, yeh yeh, we're joking :) |
| 17:45:15 | ljp_ | oooo BB: you so funny |
| 17:45:34 | HrAbbey | If he's hired as an employee, how can if be a clone? :) |
| 17:45:41 | HrAbbey | s/if/it/ |
| 17:45:48 | BigBoss | actually I've noticed a lot of stuff working on replacements for our stuff, but I didn't notice who |
| 17:46:10 | ljp_ | hmmm hopw about tkc is working on replacements for Opie apps? hmmm? |
| 17:46:27 | HrAbbey | Any good places to find in depth reviews for tkc stuff? Esp. tkcKapital? |
| 17:46:29 | mark | things always get cloned. look at what GNU did |
| 17:46:39 | BigBoss | since ours came out first for the most part, it wouldn't make sense |
| 17:46:55 | ljp_ | what apps has opie cloned? |
| 17:46:57 | BigBoss | I don't really care about the cloning, it doesn't really affect our target market |
| 17:47:13 | BigBoss | I wouldn't really call it cloning unless someone is doing it simply because we have one |
| 17:47:17 | fusion94 | BigBoss: you should do some osx apps |
| 17:47:19 | BigBoss | which I don't know to be the case |
| 17:47:24 | BigBoss | fusion94: we have some |
| 17:47:41 | BigBoss | HrAbbey: there was a good one on zaurus.loveslinux.com a month ago |
| 17:47:44 | fusion94 | which ones ? |
| 17:47:45 | BigBoss | let me find the link |
| 17:47:58 | BigBoss | we'll be announcing them this week, but we are already shipping unixODBC |
| 17:48:16 | BigBoss | we've also got Advanced SQL Editor, SQL Project, Team Diagram and the 2.1 version of DataArchitect |
| 17:48:22 | BigBoss | the first 3 will be out this week |
| 17:48:29 | BigBoss | on top of some other releases |
| 17:48:59 | BigBoss | and wait till you see tkcAddressBook next week - it absolutely SMOKES |
| 17:49:53 | zecke|away | ljp_:stop cloning |
| 17:50:02 | ljp_ | I am a clone |
| 17:50:16 | peanut | kergoth: how can i spec a port for the proxy though? |
| 17:50:16 | ljp_ | what apps have I 'cloned'? |
| 17:50:46 | BigBoss | i'm gonna see attack of the clones first thing friday morning |
| 17:51:38 | BigBoss | ljp: you're getting too sensitive about the cloning. Aren't you the one that started the joke? |
| 17:51:43 | [DrEvil] | someone write a better media player |
| 17:51:51 | BigBoss | we already did |
| 17:52:00 | mark | so did we |
| 17:52:00 | ljp_ | so did opie. |
| 17:52:01 | tux_mike | BigBoss: i have some questions on tkcKapital and kapital |
| 17:52:02 | [DrEvil] | there isn't enough eyecandy |
| 17:52:03 | mark | :) |
| 17:52:16 | BigBoss | see - cloning again :) |
| 17:52:21 | ljp_ | hehehe |
| 17:52:22 | [DrEvil] | it looks bland |
| 17:52:29 | BigBoss | tux: send it to me in email |
| 17:52:34 | tux_mike | ok |
| 17:52:37 | | bigboss is, like, the president of TheKompany |
| 17:52:37 | tux_mike | ibot bigboss |
| 17:52:38 | ljp_ | looks bland |
| 17:52:38 | BigBoss | we're working on some Kapital updates right now |
| 17:53:00 | kergoth | okay done splitting out orinoco-cs card entries from /etc/pcmcia/config into the orinoco-cs package. whew |
| 17:53:00 | mark | anyone tried korg/e yet btw? |
| 17:53:02 | BigBoss | drevil: which player are you talking about? |
| 17:53:15 | [DrEvil] | the standard one and the tkc one |
| 17:53:22 | BigBoss | what is bland about our player? |
| 17:53:30 | [DrEvil] | skins |
| 17:53:30 | BigBoss | do you own it or just commenting on the screenshots? |
| 17:53:34 | [DrEvil] | it needs skins |
| 17:53:37 | [DrEvil] | screenshots |
| 17:53:43 | tux_mike | BigBoss: what's your email? |
| 17:53:46 | ljp_ | heh skins.. talkto sharp about that one |
| 17:53:49 | BigBoss | we added skin support to another prototype player we have, not sure what we're going to do about it |
| 17:53:53 | BigBoss | shawn@thekompany.com |
| 17:54:17 | [DrEvil] | visualizer plugins would be nice |
| 17:54:27 | BigBoss | do you really stare at the player? |
| 17:54:31 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:54:34 | rikkus | obviously |
| 17:54:36 | BigBoss | I found people use those for about 1 minute |
| 17:54:40 | [DrEvil] | if it is sitting on my desk |
| 17:54:41 | BigBoss | and they suck up the battery |
| 17:54:44 | mark | hiya rikkus |
| 17:54:48 | fusion94 | redirects all his spam to shawn@thekompany.com |
| 17:54:49 | rikkus | mark: hi |
| 17:54:49 | ljp_ | framebuffer is too slow |
| 17:54:53 | mark | [DrEvil]: well the screen goes off soon doesn't it |
| 17:55:06 | BigBoss | fusion94: I get so much spam I wouldn't even notice |
| 17:55:43 | fusion94 | heh...that sucks |
| 17:56:17 | [DrEvil] | I like the interface of the Audio Player on the Sony Clie |
| 17:56:49 | mark | BigBoss: tkcCalendar uses libqobex for beaming? |
| 17:57:10 | BigBoss | got no idea |
| 17:57:17 | BigBoss | too busy running theKompany to look at all the code |
| 17:57:19 | zecke|away | mark: IrServer |
| 17:57:40 | peanut | why is zauruszone so pathetically slow |
| 17:57:44 | ljp_ | beaming on the Z is done with libqobex.so and libopenobex.so |
| 17:57:46 | [DrEvil] | are you guys working on a DB front end? |
| 17:57:54 | mark | zecke|away: ah okay - how do you know that? |
| 17:57:58 | BigBoss | peanut: because it is hosted on an 8 bit nintendo |
| 17:58:03 | [DrEvil] | like something with forms to connect to a SQL db? |
| 17:58:09 | peanut | BigBoss: hehehe.. |
| 17:58:09 | zecke|away | mark: cause I looked at the source? |
| 17:58:13 | BigBoss | drEvil: it is almost done already |
| 17:58:23 | BigBoss | we ported Rekall to the Zaurus |
| 17:58:28 | [DrEvil] | I see |
| 17:58:31 | [DrEvil] | interesting |
| 17:58:32 | BigBoss | actually it works right now, just some debugging to do |
| 17:58:37 | mark | zecke|away: didn't know you worked for thekompany.... |
| 17:58:47 | BigBoss | I've got some screenshots posted somewhere, let me look for the url |
| 17:58:59 | peanut | any other good feeds? |
| 17:58:59 | zecke|away | mark: just common sense |
| 17:59:15 | zecke|away | BigBoss: libqobex API is not public API |
| 17:59:24 | zecke|away | mark: IrServer is |
| 17:59:53 | kergoth | yep. it'd likely use IrServer. the launcher would then use libqobex, correct zecke? |
| 17:59:59 | ljp_ | libqobex is the gui that pops up when you beam something... and actually does the beaming |
| 18:00:13 | kergoth | yep |
| 18:00:17 | BigBoss | http://www.seriesone.net/hidden/ |
| 18:00:20 | mark | yah ok |
| 18:01:03 | kergoth | BigBoss: impressive |
| 18:01:09 | [DrEvil] | hmmm |
| 18:01:11 | BigBoss | integrated python debugger and scripting |
| 18:01:14 | BigBoss | forms support |
| 18:01:20 | BigBoss | work against local or remote databases |
| 18:01:28 | [DrEvil] | will it have a function to take a snapshot of a db? |
| 18:01:39 | zecke|away | kergoth: we're doing bluetooth stuff currently and are creating a transfer server |
| 18:01:41 | zecke|away | kergoth: irOBEX, bluetooth |
| 18:01:48 | BigBoss | DrEvil: meaning what? copy it down? |
| 18:01:54 | zecke|away | kergoth: currently launcher tries to load libqobex |
| 18:02:08 | [DrEvil] | if I am not connected to anything, I would still like to see certain data |
| 18:02:36 | mark | zecke|away: whos we?, but cool |
| 18:02:52 | treke | what type of local dbs can it handel? |
| 18:02:55 | zecke|away | mark: Harlekin and me |
| 18:02:56 | BigBoss | there is a 'copy' function. I guess you can give us feedback :) |
| 18:03:16 | [DrEvil] | like take a query and have the ability to save the results into a usable local data source |
| 18:03:18 | BigBoss | MySQL, PostgreSQL and our port of xBase |
| 18:03:34 | BigBoss | DrEvil: probably - I haven't tested it yet |
| 18:03:42 | treke | hmmm, rekall might be worth buying then |
| 18:03:51 | BigBoss | $700 a copy :) |
| 18:03:57 | BigBoss | actually we are thinking $49.95 |
| 18:04:08 | treke | might even be worth 50 bucks |
| 18:04:14 | BigBoss | it will work with desktop Rekall in that the applications should be portable between the two |
| 18:04:18 | ljp_ | and opie will have a free one the day after |
| 18:04:26 | treke | hehe |
| 18:04:27 | ljp_ | :D |
| 18:04:41 | [DrEvil] | is there going to be a way to synch the desktop Rekall to the Z one? |
| 18:04:49 | treke | and two days later I'll switch to the free opie one and kick myself for paying 50 bucks |
| 18:05:08 | BigBoss | DrEvil: like work on the same application in 2 places and sync them? |
| 18:05:35 | BigBoss | ljp_: if you can creat a copy of Rekall for the Z in 1 day, then I'll fire everyone else and hire you :) |
| 18:05:39 | [DrEvil] | like design stuff on the desktop and have it sync the changes with the Z |
| 18:05:54 | BigBoss | the app is self contained, just move it back down |
| 18:06:40 | treke | rekall looks like its got to be a huge ass app |
| 18:06:49 | [DrEvil] | probably |
| 18:06:52 | treke | it actually going to fit on a z? |
| 18:06:59 | ljp_ | hmmm what IS rekall, anyway? |
| 18:07:08 | BigBoss | Rekall is like MS Access basically |
| 18:07:08 | [DrEvil] | prolly on a mem card |
| 18:07:24 | BigBoss | it's surprisingly small at the moment, but I don't know what it will be at the end of the day |
| 18:07:32 | treke | even with python? |
| 18:07:33 | BigBoss | www.thekompany.com/products/rekall |
| 18:07:39 | [DrEvil] | small with the debugging code? |
| 18:08:01 | BigBoss | I said "surprisingly" small - doesn't mean it is actually small :) |
| 18:08:14 | ljp_ | SQL? eeesssch... |
| 18:08:17 | treke | I guess 3 megs would be surprisingly small :) |
| 18:09:03 | [DrEvil] | what is the size of the PC Rekall? |
| 18:09:15 | [DrEvil] | isn't the RPM like 7 megs |
| 18:09:27 | BigBoss | depends on what version you use. We have to bundle in things like the Qt lib and some other bits that we don't have to do here |
| 18:09:33 | BigBoss | the Qt lib is about 4mb alone |
| 18:10:22 | mark | BigBoss: erics ultimate solitaire gonna be ported? |
| 18:11:06 | BigBoss | it's not ours |
| 18:11:42 | mark | ah ok |
| 18:16:31 | mark | hi warmi |
| 18:19:56 | tux_mike | hey warmi |
| 18:34:49 | kergoth | <kergoth`lunch> anyone here have a SMC, Buffalo, or Zcom prism2.5 cf wlan card? I'd like to see a cardctl ident from them |
| 18:38:23 | [DrEvil] | isn't the linksys a prisim 2.5? |
| 18:38:51 | kergoth | no |
| 18:38:55 | kergoth | linksys is a prism2 card |
| 18:38:57 | kergoth | re fusion |
| 18:39:10 | kergoth | sharp done yet so i can update oz on oxygen? ;-) |
| 18:47:23 | fusion94- | kergoth: nope |
| 18:47:32 | fusion94- | sharp is being a pain in the ass |
| 18:48:45 | kergoth | heh. why am I not surprised |
| 18:49:23 | fusion94- | blame JasonNJ |
| 19:16:00 | HrAbbey | Anybody want to alpha test a changeSwap script that uses opie-sh? Once I make a web page for it, and ipkg it, I'll announce it on the list |
| 19:18:46 | Gepeto | heya |
| 19:20:22 | kergoth | hey |
| 19:36:03 | kergoth | hey NetAmp |
| 19:36:45 | NetAmp | hiya Mr. OZ :) |
| 19:36:51 | NetAmp | how's your day? |
| 19:37:08 | kergoth | speaks with a big booming voice over a PA from behind a curtain |
| 19:37:14 | kergoth | not too bad actually. yourself? |
| 19:37:18 | NetAmp | *lol* |
| 19:37:31 | NetAmp | oh well, not too bad I guess |
| 19:37:58 | kergoth | man, its beautiful outside today. I really really didnt want to come back to work from lunch.. |
| 19:38:18 | NetAmp | It's been quite nice here also |
| 19:38:27 | NetAmp | except for some rain |
| 19:38:33 | kergoth | yeah been raining here some too |
| 19:38:37 | NetAmp | pretty much, in a very short while |
| 19:38:51 | NetAmp | and it happened to fall down on.... me |
| 19:39:00 | NetAmp | yeah me! dang it |
| 19:39:02 | NetAmp | ;-) |
| 19:39:03 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:39:23 | NetAmp | I was just riding home on my bicycle when the friggin' clouds bursted open |
| 19:39:30 | NetAmp | jeesh... one hell of a ride |
| 19:39:38 | NetAmp | but it does cool down ;) |
| 19:39:48 | kergoth | hah... fun fun |
| 19:39:48 | NetAmp | And after all, it's only water... (I hope, heh) |
| 19:40:11 | NetAmp | (maybe it's mixed with eerie chemicals, you never know) |
| 19:40:32 | kergoth | acid rain |
| 19:40:33 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:40:45 | NetAmp | *lol* |
| 19:41:16 | NetAmp | ah man I wonder when the Z will ship in.. |
| 19:41:25 | NetAmp | I could order it, but I'd like to try it out |
| 19:41:43 | NetAmp | and on the other hand... the XScale version could be 'around the corner' |
| 19:41:53 | NetAmp | but who knows how long that'll take.. |
| 19:42:03 | kergoth | yep.. |
| 19:42:15 | Gepeto | Xscale zaurus? |
| 19:42:26 | NetAmp | Gepeto> well that's NOT official |
| 19:42:32 | NetAmp | as far as I know |
| 19:42:51 | NetAmp | but Jason said they have that as an option or something |
| 19:43:26 | NetAmp | and ofcourse, when you buy something it's nearly outdated again the next day, week or so... |
| 19:43:36 | NetAmp | but if this thing's gonna be 2x as fast |
| 19:43:44 | NetAmp | and not too much more expensive... |
| 19:43:54 | Gepeto | That's cool |
| 19:44:02 | NetAmp | I think I'd rather wait just a bit longer |
| 19:44:06 | kergoth | shit shit shit |
| 19:44:08 | uwe | warmi: hi |
| 19:44:09 | NetAmp | At least, that's what I've read |
| 19:44:11 | Gepeto | I'M SICK |
| 19:44:13 | Gepeto | OF IDIOTS |
| 19:44:13 | kergoth | the wireless lan isnt coming back after suspend :-( |
| 19:44:28 | kergoth | Gepeto: me too. i work in tech support. |
| 19:44:29 | NetAmp | kergoth> :-( |
| 19:44:46 | NetAmp | Gepeto> you work in tech. sup. too or something? |
| 19:45:08 | kergoth | fuck |
| 19:45:09 | kergoth | eth0: index 0x01: Vcc 3.3, irq 35, io 0xf6000000-0xf600003f |
| 19:45:10 | kergoth | eth0: Error -16 shutting down Hermes chipset |
| 19:45:14 | kergoth | thats unpleasant. |
| 19:45:19 | Gepeto | I'm a sysadmin (LAN/WAN/stuff) but that's not my problem |
| 19:45:23 | NetAmp | I don't, I work at a health insurance company (side-job ofcourse, heh) but I do get idiots on the phone ;-) |
| 19:45:27 | Gepeto | it's some guy I know who is unable to fucking install apache |
| 19:45:32 | Gepeto | or an FTP server |
| 19:45:36 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:45:36 | Gepeto | and asks me to get a HOTLINE client |
| 19:45:39 | Gepeto | so he can send me something |
| 19:45:39 | kergoth | lol |
| 19:45:41 | NetAmp | install Apache? hah! Even I can do that :P |
| 19:46:09 | Gepeto | NetAmp: it's like... |
| 19:46:13 | Gepeto | "fink install apache" |
| 19:46:18 | NetAmp | And I'm not a regular Linux user, just so you know.. |
| 19:46:20 | Gepeto | ok so excuse me you'll say I'm racist BUT |
| 19:46:26 | Gepeto | All Mac users I know are farking idiots |
| 19:46:31 | NetAmp | hahaha |
| 19:47:18 | NetAmp | Gepeto> http://www.sleeplessknights.com/Pages/ibrator.html |
| 19:47:31 | NetAmp | Mac stuff :P |
| 19:47:38 | Gepeto | I dont even wanna look |
| 19:47:45 | NetAmp | wahahaa |
| 19:47:59 | Gepeto | now this is sick |
| 19:48:01 | NetAmp | you should, I'm sure you'll have a good laugh |
| 19:48:02 | Gepeto | apple offering 1u servers |
| 19:48:06 | Gepeto | imagine |
| 19:48:09 | NetAmp | 1u?! jeesh |
| 19:48:09 | Gepeto | the number of STUPID ADMINS |
| 19:48:17 | Gepeto | that will call themselves "Network admins" |
| 19:48:25 | Gepeto | yeah right they wont even be able to config httpd.conf by hand |
| 19:48:38 | Gepeto | they will install a pre-configured binary found on their OS X server cd |
| 19:48:38 | NetAmp | *muhahah* |
| 19:48:56 | kergoth | shudders |
| 19:49:26 | Gepeto | is gonna kill someone |
| 19:49:35 | Gepeto | he decided to install the apache version he found on apple's site |
| 19:49:38 | Gepeto | instead of the fink one |
| 19:49:39 | Gepeto | hehe |
| 19:50:39 | NetAmp | noooooo |
| 19:50:43 | NetAmp | that's sick! |
| 19:51:02 | Gepeto | not as sick as installing hotline cause you cant install an ftp or http server |
| 19:51:06 | Gepeto | hahahah |
| 19:51:08 | Gepeto | he downloaded it |
| 19:51:13 | Gepeto | (15:53:37) Maxx: la j'arrive pas a trouver commen l,installer |
| 19:51:18 | Gepeto | > "I can't find how to install it" |
| 19:51:21 | JasonNJ | kergoth: you need me to test anything? |
| 19:51:54 | NetAmp | must admit he's used Apache on windows too, which is probably wrong too, hahaha |
| 19:52:00 | NetAmp | gheh |
| 19:52:11 | Gepeto | NetAmp: well not as wrong as IIS on windows |
| 19:52:29 | NetAmp | Gepeto> thanx, I'm not that good at French, forgot most of it.. |
| 19:52:58 | Gepeto | sigh |
| 19:52:59 | NetAmp | "je ne sais pas" is probably what I'll say most when I visit France ;) |
| 19:53:02 | Gepeto | I'm gonna have to build Proftpd |
| 19:53:05 | NetAmp | or "je ne comprends pas |
| 19:53:08 | Gepeto | he's too dumb to install apache |
| 19:53:24 | NetAmp | Gepeto> that's pretty dumb *lol* |
| 19:53:58 | Gepeto | sigh |
| 19:54:34 | Gepeto | compiles proftpd |
| 19:54:46 | NetAmp | I don't think I've ever actually done that... |
| 19:54:49 | NetAmp | compiling proftpd |
| 19:54:59 | Gepeto | not like I have a choice ;) |
| 19:55:00 | NetAmp | I installed it from SuSE's YaST ;-) |
| 19:55:07 | NetAmp | (Yet another Setup Tool) |
| 19:55:09 | kergoth | ugh.. i hate yast |
| 19:55:10 | kergoth | i really do |
| 19:55:14 | kergoth | heheh |
| 19:55:34 | NetAmp | I think it's pretty good actually, but then I'm not the die-hard type there ;) |
| 19:56:01 | NetAmp | in RedHat I believe there was something called Glint, that was weirder at the time |
| 19:56:13 | NetAmp | dunno about the current package managers... |
| 19:56:23 | Gepeto | I use gentoo |
| 19:56:26 | NetAmp | kergoth> You probably use Debian pm's most? |
| 19:56:41 | NetAmp | gentoo? hm that sounds familiar |
| 19:57:19 | kergoth | NetAmp: yeah I use apt-get for just about everything. no gui, thanks ;-) |
| 19:57:51 | kergoth | NetAmp: I dont mind yast's interface really.. but i dont like how suse uses nonstandard package names.. like their kernel source is in a package called 'linux' .. every other distribution (except caldera) calls it kernel-source |
| 19:57:51 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:57:55 | Gepeto | damn mac user |
| 19:57:56 | Gepeto | damn mac user |
| 19:58:03 | Gepeto | is starting to be a bit red |
| 19:58:08 | Gepeto | temperature is up |
| 19:58:17 | Gepeto | smells burned brains |
| 19:58:33 | NetAmp | kergoth> yeah true.. and you the config files are also non-standard |
| 19:58:52 | NetAmp | so if you turn off SuSE Config, you have to find them all and edit by hand |
| 19:59:13 | NetAmp | I've downloaded Mandrake 8.2 now, just didn't get to installing it yet |
| 19:59:18 | kergoth | yeah thats annoying. i dont mind GUI config apps, but it should go edit the original config files... |
| 19:59:23 | kergoth | cool |
| 19:59:34 | NetAmp | because I wanna get WinXP running stable first (if that's even possible :P) |
| 19:59:36 | kergoth | I should install rh7.3 here and a take a look |
| 19:59:38 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:59:42 | kergoth | i run XP on my main box at home |
| 19:59:46 | kergoth | need my games.. |
| 19:59:48 | NetAmp | on my RAID... then I'll put Mandrake on IDE |
| 19:59:54 | NetAmp | ghehehe |
| 19:59:58 | NetAmp | XP game pc ;) |
| 20:00:00 | NetAmp | XP-box |
| 20:00:07 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:00:10 | kergoth | dungeon siege is nifty. |
| 20:00:26 | kergoth | even if it does have a MS logo on it.. bastards |
| 20:00:57 | NetAmp | I'm getting a new video card tomorrow, I guess GeForce4MX440 or so |
| 20:00:58 | Twiun | I'll probably wait until the day that I die for nwn ;-) |
| 20:01:08 | kergoth | Twiun: me too |
| 20:01:34 | NetAmp | then I'll rip out this TNT2 and hope the GF will work, otherwise there's definitely something wrong with either my MB or CPU |
| 20:01:52 | Gepeto | hah |
| 20:01:57 | Gepeto | got proftpd running now |
| 20:02:03 | Gepeto | I hope he's got enough brains to upload a file |
| 20:04:32 | kergoth | man i'm seeing some weird flakiness with orinoco-cs on a prism2 card. |
| 20:04:32 | NetAmp | hahaah |
| 20:04:32 | kergoth | odd. |
| 20:10:03 | Gepeto | guess what |
| 20:10:07 | Gepeto | he's unable to upload a file |
| 20:10:11 | kergoth | aha |
| 20:10:18 | kergoth | just take him out back and shoot him |
| 20:10:19 | kergoth | jeeze |
| 20:10:24 | Gepeto | he uses "fetch" ftp |
| 20:10:27 | Gepeto | so |
| 20:10:31 | Gepeto | ...I told him to use ncftp |
| 20:10:32 | Gepeto | bad idea |
| 20:10:34 | Gepeto | woooo command line |
| 20:10:35 | Gepeto | scary |
| 20:11:01 | Gepeto | I should tell him to cat /dev/urandom /dev/hda1 or something |
| 20:11:40 | Gepeto | he says his terminal wont let him write his password |
| 20:11:50 | Gepeto | it's like...it doesn't SHOW it you idiot |
| 20:12:41 | NetAmp | HAHAHA |
| 20:12:43 | NetAmp | oh man... |
| 20:12:52 | NetAmp | this is stuff for "Computer Stupidities" |
| 20:13:08 | Gepeto | bangs his head |
| 20:13:10 | Gepeto | I'm too kind |
| 20:13:14 | Gepeto | I should just tell him to fuck off |
| 20:13:30 | NetAmp | Gepeto> If you can handle it, you should read some of this at a time: http://www.rinkworks.com/stupid/ |
| 20:13:39 | NetAmp | it's really sad, and funny at the same time |
| 20:13:40 | Gepeto | not NOW :) |
| 20:13:41 | Gepeto | hehe |
| 20:13:47 | Gepeto | ok I will |
| 20:14:14 | NetAmp | Tech Support: "Now click on the icon that--" |
| 20:14:14 | NetAmp | Customer: "Oh, I know what an icon is! That's that thing that Sandra Bullock clicked on in The Net!" |
| 20:14:34 | Gepeto | weeeee |
| 20:15:01 | kergoth | that reminds me of the time the secretary at a doctors office called in and I had to walk her through vi'ing /etc/inittab |
| 20:15:03 | kergoth | fun stuff. |
| 20:15:50 | Gepeto | bwahah |
| 20:15:57 | kergoth | fun when they start typing shit and arent in insert mode.. end up deleting lines.. copying lines.. |
| 20:16:00 | Gepeto | he's trying to use ftp (the client_ now |
| 20:16:07 | NetAmp | *lol* |
| 20:16:15 | Gepeto | kergoth: one word, pico :) |
| 20:16:42 | NetAmp | One day I was in a public park, reading "C++ For Dummies" when someone came up and asked me what I was reading. I told him I was reading a book about C++. He responded, "Oh, HTML kicks C++'s @$$." |
| 20:16:53 | Gepeto | NetAmp: dont laugh |
| 20:16:55 | Gepeto | I have a story |
| 20:17:01 | Gepeto | ok see, there's this girl in my class |
| 20:17:04 | Gepeto | who thinks she's so l33t |
| 20:17:12 | Gepeto | she's some kind of wannabe geek |
| 20:17:17 | fusion94- | NetAmp: dude...html so kicks c++'s ass |
| 20:17:26 | kergoth | Gepeto: i'm afraid pico isnt installed on a SCO Unix 3.2v4.2 box ;-) |
| 20:17:26 | Gepeto | ok what you need to know in order to understand is that in quebec |
| 20:17:33 | NetAmp | fusion94-: wahahaa |
| 20:17:33 | Gepeto | we have high school and then CEGEP and then college |
| 20:17:42 | Gepeto | in cegep I take C.s, so if I decide to go to college I'll be ready |
| 20:17:59 | NetAmp | ;-) |
| 20:18:04 | Gepeto | but |
| 20:18:07 | fusion94- | :) |
| 20:18:08 | Gepeto | she takes science, in order to save a year |
| 20:18:11 | Gepeto | so I tell her |
| 20:18:21 | NetAmp | I did Java servlet's today in college :) |
| 20:18:23 | Gepeto | well I hope you know how to code C and C++ and java else you're gonna have a hard time in college |
| 20:18:25 | BigBoss | I had a contract that thought our source editor was a compiler - he use to talk about the "Whisper Compiler" all the time |
| 20:18:28 | Gepeto | she said |
| 20:18:32 | BigBoss | we didn't correct him because it was funny |
| 20:18:33 | Gepeto | "Oh I cant do java but I still code" |
| 20:18:36 | Gepeto | so I say "Code what? C?" |
| 20:18:39 | Gepeto | "No, webpages" |
| 20:18:43 | Gepeto | -"Oh, perl? PHP?" |
| 20:18:47 | Gepeto | -"Dreamweaver" |
| 20:18:48 | Gepeto | ... |
| 20:18:51 | kergoth | ahaha |
| 20:18:55 | NetAmp | wahahaa |
| 20:18:57 | BigBoss | boy, she is a hacker |
| 20:19:03 | Gepeto | sigh |
| 20:19:05 | kergoth | damnit i was drinking a soda when you said that |
| 20:19:07 | kergoth | hacks up a lung |
| 20:19:10 | Gepeto | I was happy cause I thought I finally found a geek girl in the world |
| 20:19:12 | Gepeto | but nooooooooooo |
| 20:19:16 | Gepeto | kergoth: hahaha :) |
| 20:19:19 | Gepeto | sorry ;) |
| 20:20:39 | Gepeto | ok now he says that command line ftp doesn't work |
| 20:20:40 | Gepeto | ok sure |
| 20:20:43 | Gepeto | what's the error? |
| 20:20:46 | Gepeto | "It doesn'T work" |
| 20:20:51 | Gepeto | read: I don't know how to use it |
| 20:21:27 | ljp_hates_QWest | web pages is still coding |
| 20:21:34 | Gepeto | uh uh |
| 20:21:39 | Gepeto | doing HTML in a WYSIWYG |
| 20:21:44 | Gepeto | l33t coding dude :) |
| 20:21:51 | ljp_hates_QWest | hehhehe.. soo.. is she cute? |
| 20:21:53 | Gepeto | Word processing is coding, especially in office XP! |
| 20:22:02 | Gepeto | bah...she's ok |
| 20:22:18 | BigBoss | then just get a hot dumb chick that knows she is dumb :) |
| 20:22:21 | Gepeto | but I got a date with her best friend next week hehe |
| 20:22:37 | NetAmp | Dreamweaver rocks da house man! |
| 20:22:42 | kergoth | next time I find a person who did a web page in WORD i'm going to bitchslap them |
| 20:22:45 | Gepeto | DJpeto's in the house |
| 20:22:48 | Gepeto | kergoth: hahaha :) |
| 20:22:56 | NetAmp | kergoth> you do that!! |
| 20:23:19 | NetAmp | kergoth> I absolutely HATE web pages done in WORD :-( |
| 20:23:21 | NetAmp | it's SO sad! |
| 20:23:24 | NetAmp | *sigh* |
| 20:23:25 | Gepeto | ok could someone upload a file |
| 20:23:30 | Gepeto | to prove my ftp server works? |
| 20:23:32 | Gepeto | cause maybe it doesn't |
| 20:23:58 | NetAmp | I could upload Mandrake |
| 20:23:59 | NetAmp | ghehe |
| 20:24:03 | Gepeto | no, a small file ;) |
| 20:24:18 | Gepeto | aliencow.com port 21 |
| 20:24:22 | Gepeto | test / t3st |
| 20:24:25 | NetAmp | yeah I wouldn't do that anyway, my upstream is 10kb/s max. :( |
| 20:24:32 | Gepeto | stops ssh ;) |
| 20:24:41 | Gepeto | well you could FxP :) |
| 20:25:01 | Gepeto | hmm my proftp isn't setup for fxp though |
| 20:25:26 | NetAmp | hm... |
| 20:25:27 | Gepeto | so? I created the home folder now |
| 20:25:33 | Gepeto | (I had forgotten:) |
| 20:25:44 | NetAmp | it's working... |
| 20:25:49 | Gepeto | Upload a file? |
| 20:25:56 | NetAmp | uhm that not yet |
| 20:26:00 | NetAmp | it did login |
| 20:26:17 | NetAmp | but now it's wining about Passive Mode :( |
| 20:26:31 | Gepeto | ok that's what I thought might be the problem |
| 20:27:03 | Gepeto | now if he had used nfctp correctly and pasted me the problem, I'd know since half a hour already hehe |
| 20:27:26 | NetAmp | ok I uploaded a GIF file |
| 20:27:39 | kergoth | JasonNJ: new initrd is built, I'm downloading it to sanity check it.. if you're feeling daring, its at http://geezer.umgllc.net/kergoth/initrd-oz3b9.5.bin |
| 20:27:40 | NetAmp | from DOS, my LeapFTP isn't working |
| 20:27:50 | Gepeto | NetAmp: display: Corrupt GIF image (lindontfear.gif) [No such file or directory]. |
| 20:27:55 | NetAmp | ow :-( |
| 20:28:04 | Gepeto | 18480 bytes |
| 20:28:09 | NetAmp | DUH DUH DUH |
| 20:28:17 | Gepeto | it works |
| 20:28:21 | Gepeto | now it does :) |
| 20:28:21 | NetAmp | is ashamed to admit he didn't use Binary mode :( |
| 20:28:22 | NetAmp | hahaha |
| 20:28:24 | NetAmp | *lol* |
| 20:28:25 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:28:26 | Gepeto | ahahha |
| 20:28:27 | NetAmp | stuuupid me! |
| 20:28:33 | Gepeto | Don't fear the penguins |
| 20:28:33 | Gepeto | it works |
| 20:28:38 | NetAmp | yippee |
| 20:28:38 | Gepeto | what client did you use? |
| 20:28:49 | NetAmp | Gepeto> erm... just DOS ftp ;-) |
| 20:28:53 | Gepeto | ok |
| 20:29:02 | kergoth | NetAmp: you should install cygwin :-) |
| 20:29:02 | Gepeto | I'll tell him exactly how to use gnu ftp |
| 20:29:05 | Gepeto | yeah |
| 20:29:07 | Gepeto | Cygwin is cool |
| 20:29:14 | kergoth | cygwin makes windows usable. |
| 20:29:15 | Gepeto | OH btw kergoth , maybe you'd know |
| 20:29:17 | Gepeto | or anyone else |
| 20:29:20 | NetAmp | my graphical client (LeapFTP) isn't always working that well... maybe because I'm on a LAN |
| 20:29:22 | kergoth | hmmmm? |
| 20:29:32 | Gepeto | in windows, I use uptime.exe to calculate availability percentage |
| 20:29:38 | Gepeto | (with dates and time from logfiles) |
| 20:29:41 | kergoth | NetAmp: smartftp is pretty good. freeware also |
| 20:29:43 | kergoth | k... |
| 20:29:45 | Gepeto | can I do that within unix with uptime? |
| 20:29:50 | NetAmp | kergoth: thanx 4 th3 tip :) |
| 20:30:21 | kergoth | Gepeto: yeah certainly |
| 20:30:29 | Gepeto | but how? :) |
| 20:30:33 | Gepeto | man uptime uh? ;) |
| 20:30:46 | Gepeto | nothing in man... |
| 20:30:55 | Gepeto | nor info... |
| 20:31:05 | kergoth | Gepeto: hehe. its pretty basic. in windows are you polling the uptime periodically? |
| 20:31:13 | kergoth | Gepeto: or on bootup? |
| 20:31:19 | Gepeto | I just use uptime.exe |
| 20:31:23 | Gepeto | with a flag I think it's -a |
| 20:31:28 | Gepeto | it does it with the boot logs |
| 20:31:33 | kergoth | ah |
| 20:31:41 | NetAmp | Gepeto: you aren't running a website on aliencow? |
| 20:31:53 | Gepeto | not right now... |
| 20:31:53 | NetAmp | Gepeto: just thought I'd have a look but there's nothing... |
| 20:31:55 | Gepeto | have nothing to put on it |
| 20:31:58 | NetAmp | well ok :) |
| 20:32:31 | Gepeto | damn, I wanna know my availability percentage ;) |
| 20:32:46 | Gepeto | my citrix server at work's been down 4hours in the year (hardware upgrade) |
| 20:32:48 | Gepeto | not too bad |
| 20:32:51 | NetAmp | at least FTP respects netiquette ;-) |
| 20:32:51 | NetAmp | ftp> bye |
| 20:32:51 | NetAmp | 221 Goodbye. |
| 20:32:54 | NetAmp | heh ;) |
| 20:32:54 | kergoth | Gepeto: /var/log/messages timestamps its entries. |
| 20:33:15 | Gepeto | kergoth: yeah that's the file I thought that would be the best for that, now I just wonder how to calculate that automagically :) |
| 20:33:21 | NetAmp | I like friendly FTP servers ;) |
| 20:33:29 | Gepeto | NetAmp: hehe ;) |
| 20:34:10 | kergoth | Gepeto: locate the definitive entry which is the first line dumped to the file on bootup. compare its timestamp to the previous timestamp and you know how long you were down. |
| 20:34:34 | Gepeto | kergoth: yeah yeah I know that :) I just thought that maybe uptime would have a flag to do that |
| 20:34:38 | Gepeto | like the one in NT does |
| 20:35:24 | kergoth | well uptime knows how long you've been up, but I dont think it knows when it went down prior to that. |
| 20:35:46 | kergoth | could be wrong tho |
| 20:35:58 | Gepeto | uptime has no option you're right |
| 20:36:07 | kergoth | could be another cmd app to do it |
| 20:36:08 | Gepeto | likes NT's uptime :) |
| 20:36:12 | kergoth | but i dont know of one offhand |
| 20:36:24 | kergoth | uptime is too basic to be able to parse your logs. |
| 20:36:25 | Gepeto | sigh |
| 20:36:29 | Gepeto | DAMMIT |
| 20:36:30 | kergoth | all it does is query |
| 20:36:35 | Gepeto | this guy is an idiot |
| 20:36:42 | Gepeto | I was telliung him to go into the directory where the file was |
| 20:36:48 | Gepeto | so he wouldnt have to type the full path in ftp |
| 20:36:50 | kergoth | Gepeto: uptime just parses the output of /proc/uptime |
| 20:36:54 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:36:55 | Gepeto | ...he was opening the folder in the gui |
| 20:36:59 | Gepeto | while ftp was running |
| 20:37:09 | kergoth | oh THAT'll work |
| 20:37:18 | Gepeto | now he says the command line wont let him cd |
| 20:37:30 | NetAmp | DOH! |
| 20:37:32 | NetAmp | aaah |
| 20:37:36 | NetAmp | screams in horror |
| 20:37:42 | Gepeto | sigh |
| 20:37:45 | Gepeto | he was trying to cd/thing |
| 20:37:48 | Gepeto | with no space |
| 20:37:55 | Gepeto | that,s the third time I tell him |
| 20:38:00 | NetAmp | noooo |
| 20:38:04 | Gepeto | he forgets all the time |
| 20:38:05 | Gepeto | I mean it's easy |
| 20:38:25 | kergoth | "sir, hit space.. NO dont type the word s-p-a-c-e .. hit the space bar!" |
| 20:38:50 | Gepeto | well when I was a kid and I was trying to get logo working on my C64 |
| 20:38:59 | NetAmp | ghehe |
| 20:39:06 | Gepeto | my babysitter was reading the instructions and I clearly remember seeing her trying something like |
| 20:39:11 | Gepeto | load *,1,1 return |
| 20:39:16 | Gepeto | *,8,1 |
| 20:39:19 | Gepeto | and then waiting |
| 20:39:43 | Gepeto | then arguing with me that she HAD to write return |
| 20:39:56 | Gepeto | "there's a return key!" -"No the book says I have to type return" |
| 20:40:02 | kergoth | lol.. |
| 20:40:20 | kergoth | I miss my XT |
| 20:40:26 | kergoth | i want to buy one for nostalgia's sake |
| 20:40:28 | Gepeto | I remember I was so young the floppy was hard to carry |
| 20:41:37 | NetAmp | ghehe |
| 20:41:53 | Gepeto | Playing Doctor Creep's castle |
| 20:41:55 | Gepeto | that was great |
| 20:42:17 | kergoth | I remember trying to get past the damn startup questions and lying about my age in leisure suit larry 1 |
| 20:42:28 | Gepeto | hahaha :) |
| 20:43:05 | kergoth | I miss those old games |
| 20:43:09 | Gepeto | well fuck |
| 20:43:15 | kergoth | treke: get anywhere on sarien? ;-) |
| 20:43:16 | Gepeto | I'm gonna have to install a farking hotline client it seems |
| 20:43:21 | kergoth | lol |
| 20:43:37 | Gepeto | he's unable to cd to the correct directory |
| 20:43:54 | kergoth | I'd make him call someone for tech support |
| 20:44:05 | kergoth | other than you i mean |
| 20:44:06 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:44:36 | NetAmp | jeesh... I gotta pay another $20 for a year, domain name (w/o hosting) |
| 20:44:38 | NetAmp | oh well |
| 20:44:43 | Gepeto | I pay 12euros a year |
| 20:44:48 | NetAmp | gandi? |
| 20:44:49 | kergoth | tests a flash of oz3b9.5 |
| 20:44:56 | NetAmp | or however you spell that |
| 20:45:01 | Gepeto | yeah gandi |
| 20:45:03 | kergoth | you forgot an h |
| 20:45:04 | NetAmp | :) |
| 20:45:08 | Gepeto | no |
| 20:45:09 | NetAmp | I'm at NameZero |
| 20:45:12 | Gepeto | ghandi is the guy's name |
| 20:45:17 | Gepeto | gandi.net is what we're talking about :) |
| 20:45:19 | kergoth | ah. hehe |
| 20:45:21 | NetAmp | NZ have good subdomain stuff |
| 20:45:43 | NetAmp | though they call it 'bookmarks'... but still |
| 20:45:48 | Gepeto | Gandi is cool |
| 20:46:00 | Gepeto | cries...compiling an hotline client |
| 20:46:04 | NetAmp | yeah they are... but they don't do subdomain stuff I guesS? |
| 20:46:19 | Gepeto | I dunno I use it with Hn.org |
| 20:46:24 | Gepeto | can do what I want |
| 20:46:39 | NetAmp | sweet :) |
| 20:46:58 | Gepeto | why can't anyone make a hotline client in ONE window |
| 20:47:05 | Gepeto | instead of 2024 separate 20x20 windows |
| 20:47:35 | Gepeto | I need a damn workspace just for that :) |
| 20:48:16 | kergoth | sweet! you dont have to reboot OZ3b9.5 to get your docs on the CF to appear |
| 20:48:25 | Gepeto | :) |
| 20:48:31 | kergoth | i didnt even try to fix that... fixed it by fixing some other related bug. nifty |
| 20:48:34 | Gepeto | hehe |
| 20:48:36 | Gepeto | a bugged bug :) |
| 20:49:52 | NetAmp | hm... they do com,net,org... |
| 20:50:01 | NetAmp | no cc |
| 20:50:06 | NetAmp | oh well |
| 20:52:11 | NetAmp | Gepeto> you can just have unlimited subdomains/mailforward with HN? |
| 20:52:19 | Gepeto | unlimited I don't think |
| 20:52:38 | Gepeto | This Domain was verified against the root servers on 2001-04-21 13:21:18. |
| 20:52:39 | Gepeto | Max Records: 25 |
| 20:52:58 | Gepeto | I don't need much more than that :) |
| 20:54:19 | NetAmp | hm that's true... |
| 20:54:53 | NetAmp | so you just reg via Gandi and then set the DNS to HN's servers |
| 20:55:20 | Gepeto | yep |
| 20:56:00 | NetAmp | sweet, that's cheaper than $20 ;) hehe |
| 20:56:09 | NetAmp | (hey I'm a student okay) |
| 20:56:10 | NetAmp | :P |
| 20:56:15 | Gepeto | ;) |
| 21:00:22 | Gepeto | what kind of crap hotline is :( |
| 21:00:40 | Gepeto | breathes heavily |
| 21:03:03 | NetAmp | gandi: "..add/delete/modify A, CNAME and MX resource records.." |
| 21:03:14 | NetAmp | so you can also do that at gandi itself or not? |
| 21:03:38 | Gepeto | I dunno |
| 21:03:46 | Gepeto | never tried because I was using HN for dynamic dns |
| 21:04:15 | NetAmp | :) |
| 21:11:44 | Gepeto | ok dammit |
| 21:11:51 | Gepeto | his hotline server is stupid and fucks up resumes |
| 21:11:55 | Gepeto | he can't use ftp correctly |
| 21:11:58 | Gepeto | he can't install apache |
| 21:12:08 | Gepeto | .... am I gonna ask him to email me the whole thing? hehe |
| 21:15:04 | mark | where can I get official sl5000 rom images from? |
| 21:15:23 | Gepeto | http://more.sbc.co.jp/slj/link.asp |
| 21:15:32 | kergoth | sweettt |
| 21:15:36 | kergoth | i flashed oz3b9.5.. |
| 21:15:44 | kergoth | entered my wireless key into wireless.opts |
| 21:15:51 | NetAmp | Gepeto> ouch... the .org even costs $34.95/year at NZ :( |
| 21:15:53 | kergoth | and restarted pcmcia.. and it came right up, no problems whatsoever |
| 21:15:59 | NetAmp | I guess I'll try gandi... |
| 21:16:13 | Gepeto | NetAmp: ehhe |
| 21:16:16 | NetAmp | ;) |
| 21:16:21 | ljp_hates_QWest | kergoth: must be a Tuesday, then |
| 21:16:24 | orzel | uses gandi |
| 21:16:38 | kergoth | ljp_hates_QWest: :-) |
| 21:16:40 | Gepeto | bought Strategic assault yesterday |
| 21:16:43 | NetAmp | good, scr*w Namezero then :P |
| 21:16:43 | Gepeto | I want more games |
| 21:16:46 | Gepeto | sell me games ! |
| 21:16:48 | kergoth | JasonNJ: I have a rom for you... |
| 21:16:54 | NetAmp | write your games ;) |
| 21:17:00 | NetAmp | hehe |
| 21:17:03 | Gepeto | NetAmp: I don't code... |
| 21:17:26 | NetAmp | oh... hm okay... well I do, but not nearly as good to be a game programmer |
| 21:18:14 | NetAmp | maybe I'll do something in java if i get a Z... or otherwise I'll have to learn C first |
| 21:18:24 | Gepeto | ? You don't have a Z? :) |
| 21:18:32 | Gepeto | whatcha waiting for? ;) |
| 21:18:41 | NetAmp | waiting for it to be in stores |
| 21:18:47 | Gepeto | ohh |
| 21:18:52 | Gepeto | I had a nice deal on my 5000d |
| 21:18:53 | Gepeto | 150$ :) |
| 21:19:00 | NetAmp | and also waiting to see if there's gonna be an XScale version not too long after that |
| 21:19:15 | Gepeto | Xscale will be in a while you can be almost 100% sure of that |
| 21:19:21 | NetAmp | yeah I though about 5000d but I'm more into the 'consumer' version |
| 21:19:40 | NetAmp | since I will probably use it a lot for PIM stuff |
| 21:19:52 | Gepeto | so? |
| 21:20:01 | Gepeto | I hate the pim stuff on the Z :( |
| 21:20:03 | NetAmp | you might say "get a palm" but they aren't nearly as cool ;) |
| 21:20:07 | Gepeto | I hate most apps too |
| 21:20:12 | Gepeto | well I don't have a palm anymore |
| 21:20:15 | Gepeto | but.... |
| 21:20:22 | Gepeto | I almost wanna get a Clié |
| 21:20:32 | NetAmp | and a 'decent' Palm costs about as much as the Z |
| 21:20:43 | NetAmp | especially Clié... |
| 21:20:44 | Gepeto | Yeah |
| 21:20:53 | Gepeto | But... |
| 21:20:58 | Gepeto | I got my Z for the cool factor |
| 21:21:02 | Gepeto | and for flexibility |
| 21:21:08 | Gepeto | and the fact that it has a real browser |
| 21:21:10 | Gepeto | and two slots |
| 21:21:14 | Gepeto | but really, what do I do with it? nothing |
| 21:21:19 | kergoth | I got it for 1) development and 2) its a handheld computer, not a pda |
| 21:21:25 | NetAmp | I do like them though, with the MP3 stuff.. I have memorysticks already |
| 21:21:29 | Gepeto | mp3 ? |
| 21:21:38 | NetAmp | Clie does MP3 right? |
| 21:21:41 | Gepeto | yeah |
| 21:21:48 | Gepeto | that's not a reason to get a PDA over another |
| 21:21:56 | NetAmp | noooo not at all |
| 21:22:02 | Gepeto | kergoth: totally, I got mine cause I know that in a few months there will be some kickass stuff for z |
| 21:22:09 | NetAmp | I have my thrusty Sony MD for music ;) |
| 21:22:30 | NetAmp | it's big, larger than the Z, haha |
| 21:22:34 | Gepeto | I don't have a Minidisc anymore... |
| 21:22:49 | NetAmp | but I don't have any reason to get a new one as long as it plays.. |
| 21:23:04 | NetAmp | same with my Nokia GSM phone, works well so I won't get a new one ;) |
| 21:23:16 | Gepeto | I got an ericsson T28world |
| 21:23:18 | NetAmp | (it's a 5510) |
| 21:23:20 | Gepeto | + a DI 28 infra red modem :) |
| 21:23:26 | NetAmp | neat |
| 21:23:28 | Gepeto | (which I use to get my mail on my Z) |
| 21:23:41 | Gepeto | might switch this summer |
| 21:23:46 | Gepeto | to a T38 or 68 |
| 21:23:48 | NetAmp | I worked at Ericsson... but couldn't get them to give me one of those phones :P ;) |
| 21:24:03 | Gepeto | I'll sell you my T28w for cheap when I switch ;) |
| 21:24:08 | NetAmp | hehe |
| 21:24:17 | Gepeto | PIZZA time |
| 21:24:18 | Gepeto | brb |
| 21:45:11 | NetAmp | yumm pizza |
| 21:45:20 | NetAmp | argh now I'm hungry... |
| 21:45:25 | NetAmp | I'm gonna go eat something |
| 21:45:51 | NetAmp | (at 11:50pm / @953beats hehe) |
| 21:46:00 | NetAmp | c-ya |
| 21:47:32 | Twiun | pfah! US only for the Sharp contest mentionned on the newsletter. |
| 21:47:44 | Twiun | blows a raspberry at Sharp |
| 21:47:52 | JasonNJ | Twiun: what contest |
| 21:48:38 | Twiun | JasonNJ: I'll forward you the email |
| 21:48:38 | Twiun | it's easier |
| 21:48:47 | JasonNJ | kergoth: got a rommy for me? |
| 21:49:37 | kergoth | JasonNJ: yep sure do |
| 21:49:39 | Twiun | JasonNJ: Actually... the email has a web address too: http://www.sharpretailtraining.com/Newsletter/May02/NewsletterMay15.htm |
| 21:49:59 | JasonNJ | ah 9.6 |
| 21:50:06 | kergoth | JasonNJ: the wireless has sane defaults now.. it shoudl come up right out of hte box after adding the entry to the network app |
| 21:50:25 | JasonNJ | same kernie? |
| 21:50:28 | kergoth | yup |
| 21:50:41 | kergoth | I want to confirm it works with the socket stuff. it works fine for prism2 cards |
| 21:50:57 | kergoth | also, if you could test on a prism2.5 card like the buffalo as well, that'd be nice |
| 21:51:18 | JasonNJ | I'll grab a buffalo from spencer |
| 21:51:25 | kergoth | cool. let mw know how it goes |
| 21:51:47 | kergoth | JasonNJ: where's the oxygen stuff hung up? it'd be nice to mirror th einitrds there easily |
| 21:52:25 | Gepeto | kergoth: does OZ run correctly on the 5500 too? |
| 21:52:37 | JasonNJ | shit we sent our buffalo to japan |
| 21:52:41 | JasonNJ | for rom testing |
| 21:52:50 | kergoth | Gepeto: yep, sure does |
| 21:52:58 | Gepeto | kergoth: cool |
| 21:53:00 | Gepeto | JasonNJ: buffalo? |
| 21:53:02 | kergoth | JasonNJ: ah, any other prism2.5 would do. smc.. zcom.. |
| 21:53:07 | Gepeto | oh |
| 21:53:07 | JasonNJ | hmm |
| 21:53:09 | Gepeto | nevermind |
| 21:53:17 | kergoth | JasonNJ: i can have one of the other developers test on one of those if need be, no big deal |
| 21:53:18 | JasonNJ | I know spencer sent requests for those |
| 21:54:41 | kergoth | JasonNJ: i havent updated the opie build yet.. once we've confirmed the wireless stuff, i'm going to fix wlansetup, and build current opie, and release beta 10. |
| 21:56:26 | Gepeto | kergoth: I'm gonna have to go get some memory and a CF reader to test that someday :) |
| 21:58:04 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:58:10 | kergoth | well by the time you do, it should be pretty stable :-) |
| 21:58:28 | Gepeto | kergoth: and the only drawback will be no java, right? |
| 21:58:36 | kergoth | Gepeto: primarily. |
| 21:58:41 | Gepeto | Good. I don't care :) |
| 21:58:55 | Gepeto | as long as opie and strategic assault run eheh ;) |
| 21:59:59 | JasonNJ | flashing |
| 22:00:13 | JasonNJ | no essid configuration required? |
| 22:00:20 | kergoth | essid is ANY by default |
| 22:00:24 | JasonNJ | okay |
| 22:00:31 | JasonNJ | and as far as you know dhcp is sane? |
| 22:00:40 | JasonNJ | and the pcmcia scripts |
| 22:00:49 | numatrix | is away: I'm not here. |
| 22:02:28 | JasonNJ | booting |
| 22:04:47 | Gepeto | I hate too much pizza |
| 22:04:50 | Gepeto | ate |
| 22:04:52 | Gepeto | well |
| 22:04:56 | Gepeto | I hate eating too much pizza too |
| 22:04:59 | Gepeto | so I guess both are ok :) |
| 22:06:06 | JasonNJ | holy crap I think its working |
| 22:07:46 | JasonNJ | ipkg update and ipkg upgrade successful |
| 22:07:48 | JasonNJ | bitchin |
| 22:07:50 | kergoth | sweet :-) |
| 22:08:48 | fusion94 | no way |
| 22:08:53 | fusion94 | it worked ? |
| 22:08:58 | Gepeto | hmm is BlackDown java open source or just free? |
| 22:09:10 | JasonNJ | installing konqueror now |
| 22:09:13 | kergoth | nice |
| 22:09:18 | kergoth | worked out of the box jason? |
| 22:09:21 | kergoth | no changes? |
| 22:09:26 | JasonNJ | yeah but i had to do force depends |
| 22:09:32 | Twiun | Gepeto: not sure... lemme check |
| 22:09:33 | JasonNJ | on konqueror |
| 22:09:34 | kergoth | ah yeah our konq/e package is busted, i'll fix that in a few |
| 22:09:44 | JasonNJ | no changes to make socket work |
| 22:09:46 | kergoth | but wireless works. i'm happy |
| 22:09:48 | kergoth | :-) |
| 22:09:50 | JasonNJ | I am impressed |
| 22:09:59 | kergoth | no more wlan-ng! |
| 22:10:02 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:10:08 | kergoth | brb, need to grab a soda |
| 22:10:34 | Gepeto | hey guys |
| 22:10:40 | Gepeto | any of you uses the qtopia desktop ? :) |
| 22:10:41 | JasonNJ | this is a definite milestone |
| 22:11:40 | Twiun | Gepeto: You know... I don't think they _can_ open source blackdown |
| 22:11:42 | JasonNJ | konqueror works |
| 22:11:53 | JasonNJ | how do you tell ipkg to install something to sd or the ram? |
| 22:11:55 | Twiun | It looks like it's based off the Sun sources |
| 22:11:59 | kergoth | k |
| 22:12:02 | kergoth | JasonNJ: grab hte latest oipkg |
| 22:12:05 | | kergoth: sorry... |
| 22:12:05 | kergoth | ibot: oipikg |
| 22:12:07 | | i think oipkg is at http://spinne.chemie.unibas.ch/~vogtp/opie/oipkg/ or Opie Projects advanced gui ipkg installer |
| 22:12:07 | kergoth | ibot: oipkg |
| 22:12:10 | Gepeto | Twiun: possible |
| 22:12:28 | kergoth | JasonNJ: the oipkg in 9.6 is a little flaky. i'll update it when i update opie for b10 |
| 22:12:34 | Twiun | Gepeto: The telling thing is that on their ftp mirrors, blackdown is licensed using Sun's binary code license |
| 22:12:41 | Twiun | Gepeto: No BSD or GPL |
| 22:13:19 | Gepeto | ok.. |
| 22:13:48 | Twiun | Gepeto: and how's this for evidence... the debian package tree the mirror lists it as: ftp://ftp.mirror.ac.uk/sites/ftp.blackdown.org/java-linux/debian/dists/potato/non-free/binary-i386/ |
| 22:14:01 | Gepeto | Very good evidence :) |
| 22:14:38 | Twiun | hmmm... can't remember what I list it as on my faq... one sec |
| 22:14:48 | Gepeto | ok there is one thing I would LOVE to have in a calendar app |
| 22:15:03 | Gepeto | Repeated stuff every X weekdays |
| 22:15:10 | Twiun | Cool... I hadn't put blackdown as open sourced |
| 22:15:13 | Gepeto | would be really really useful for school calendars |
| 22:15:37 | JasonNJ | when oipkg works its a beautiful thing |
| 22:15:56 | Twiun | Gepeto: Agreed... I'd use it for my weekly meetings and things |
| 22:16:09 | Gepeto | Twiun: even better would be let's say: |
| 22:16:29 | Gepeto | "Repeat every 6weekdays except *check days during which there is no school and that do not work*" |
| 22:16:46 | Gepeto | so at the beginning of the year I could just write my schedule for 1 cycle, repeat, check the days on which I got no school |
| 22:16:50 | Gepeto | and I'd be set for a year |
| 22:16:52 | JasonNJ | I'd love to see blackdown running on the z |
| 22:16:57 | JasonNJ | with the qtopia bindings |
| 22:17:07 | Gepeto | JasonNJ: heh it was why I was asking if it was open or not :) |
| 22:17:14 | Twiun | JasonNJ: Yeah, likewise... can you get hold of those bindings? |
| 22:17:32 | JasonNJ | well |
| 22:17:44 | JasonNJ | ususally those are licensed from trolltechy |
| 22:17:53 | JasonNJ | it may require some intervention |
| 22:17:59 | Twiun | Hehe |
| 22:18:17 | kergoth | JasonNJ: does it seem stable enough to upload to SF? or should i wait for the new opie build and graphical configuration? |
| 22:18:19 | Twiun | I did think I'd heard that they'd only been released to licensees (Jeode & co) |
| 22:18:50 | Twiun | the nearest thing I can find on the web is qtjava... but that's really kde bindings |
| 22:19:11 | Twiun | and it's OLD... qt1 or something |
| 22:20:03 | JasonNJ | get the new opie build |
| 22:20:19 | kergoth | JasonNJ: will do. I'll start work on revamping wlansetup to support the new drivers now. |
| 22:20:21 | JasonNJ | the oipkg is still unstable, it blew up when I tried to install too many things at once |
| 22:20:32 | JasonNJ | but otherwise its way more functional than it was |
| 22:20:38 | kergoth | yeah |
| 22:20:41 | kergoth | its still got a lot of bugs.. |
| 22:20:57 | kergoth | I need to push hard on that. oipkg is one of the key apps in opie, whether on ipaq or Z |
| 22:20:59 | tux_mike | kergoth: is zecke doing opiemail? |
| 22:21:03 | kergoth | tux_mike: yes |
| 22:21:13 | kergoth | tux_mike: but its not actively maintained atm |
| 22:21:18 | tux_mike | ack. |
| 22:21:20 | kergoth | tux_mike: since he's doing work on kitchenSync |
| 22:21:24 | tux_mike | yah |
| 22:21:35 | kergoth | he's getting quite far with it |
| 22:21:39 | kergoth | very nifty. |
| 22:21:46 | Gepeto | What's kitchenSync? |
| 22:21:54 | kergoth | man the day i can sync KDE with my Z, i'm a happy man |
| 22:21:57 | tux_mike | has determined the problem with his laptop |
| 22:21:59 | kergoth | Gepeto: KDE sync arch |
| 22:22:02 | | it has been said that kitchensync is the ultimate syncing tool for KDE3 written by Aliens at the Area 51a ;) |
| 22:22:02 | kergoth | ibot: kitchensync? |
| 22:22:03 | Gepeto | ohhh I want that |
| 22:22:04 | Gepeto | now |
| 22:22:04 | Gepeto | now |
| 22:22:12 | kergoth | heheh |
| 22:22:20 | Gepeto | qtopia desktop segfaults |
| 22:22:27 | kergoth | qtopia desktop sucks |
| 22:22:29 | Gepeto | it,s crap |
| 22:22:34 | kergoth | use intellisync in windows or scp in linux |
| 22:22:35 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:22:41 | Gepeto | yeah I use ftp :) |
| 22:22:44 | kergoth | or scp in windows if you have cygwin |
| 22:22:45 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:22:57 | kergoth | JasonNJ: add any bug reports on 9.6 (other than oipkg) to SF |
| 22:23:01 | Gepeto | thing is ftp wont allow me to enter stuff with my desktop and then sync |
| 22:23:10 | Gepeto | well unless I wanna edit xmls |
| 22:23:20 | Twiun | kergoth: did you stash that ROM->ipk script anywhere I could get to it? |
| 22:23:29 | kergoth | Twiun: its in OZ cvs |
| 22:23:41 | kergoth | Twiun: but it hasnt been touched in a long time.. good luck ;-) |
| 22:23:46 | Twiun | Hehe |
| 22:23:46 | JasonNJ | kergoth, mtdram is the flashrom right |
| 22:23:53 | kergoth | Twiun: buildroot-oz module, in bin/ |
| 22:23:59 | JasonNJ | root is teh filesystem right |
| 22:24:04 | kergoth | JasonNJ: mtdram is the ramdisk.. same as /home on the sharp rom |
| 22:24:08 | kergoth | JasonNJ: yeah. root is / |
| 22:24:13 | kergoth | JasonNJ: root is flash. |
| 22:24:13 | Twiun | kergoth: thanks, I'll have a look at that later on this week |
| 22:24:27 | kergoth | JasonNJ: I'll rename root to flash in ipkg.conf and mtdram to RAM for clarity. |
| 22:24:34 | Gepeto | kergoth: OZ's flash is mounted rw right ? |
| 22:24:55 | Gepeto | naet |
| 22:24:56 | Gepeto | neat |
| 22:24:57 | kergoth | Twiun: cool. there's a text file in sources/ which contains every file in the sharp rom and which package it should belong to.. you may have to edit it to properly handle the new rom images |
| 22:24:58 | kergoth | Gepeto: yeah |
| 22:25:13 | Twiun | kergoth: ok |
| 22:25:16 | kergoth | JasonNJ: after I release b10 I'll start work on running it as a nonroot user |
| 22:26:08 | kergoth | 9.6 feels quite a bit less beta than previous versions imo. except for oipkg of course |
| 22:26:08 | JasonNJ | oipkg needs to be able to on the fly change destination on a package by package basis user selectable |
| 22:26:17 | JasonNJ | the default destination stuff is broken |
| 22:26:21 | kergoth | JasonNJ: it has that ability.. its just not intuitive. |
| 22:26:24 | JasonNJ | wont let me set it to anything esle but root |
| 22:26:35 | kergoth | JasonNJ: you tap+hold on the app in the "To Install:" page |
| 22:26:42 | kergoth | JasonNJ: hmm.. |
| 22:26:50 | kergoth | JasonNJ: hold on, i'll test the latest oipkg on mine |
| 22:29:18 | JasonNJ | opipkg has a nasty tendency to segfault when I do what you suggested |
| 22:29:53 | JasonNJ | I isnstalled the opie-netmon but I am not sure where it is |
| 22:29:58 | JasonNJ | I restarted opie |
| 22:30:17 | JasonNJ | oipkg has to reinit the qpe shell when it finishes installing |
| 22:30:23 | JasonNJ | otehrwise you dont see the icons |
| 22:31:32 | kergoth | JasonNJ: try this.. from now on, run oipkg from the terminal |
| 22:31:38 | kergoth | JasonNJ: I hear that solves most of hte difficulties. |
| 22:32:09 | kergoth | JasonNJ: it has problems installing to mtdram/sd/cf when you entered it via an ipk in the docs tab too |
| 22:32:20 | kergoth | JasonNJ: it works well once you figure out how to work around the bugs. hehe |
| 22:35:28 | Gepeto | I wanta speaker on my Z |
| 22:35:33 | Gepeto | to play Strategic assault with sound |
| 22:35:54 | kergoth | it has one.. |
| 22:35:55 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:36:01 | kergoth | too bad it can only play 3 predefined sounds |
| 22:36:04 | kergoth | mutters |
| 22:36:06 | Twiun | just needs lots of work done on the driver ;-) |
| 22:36:09 | kergoth | yep |
| 22:38:53 | JasonNJ | what I want to know is how did you manage to fill the rom space without installing that much on it |
| 22:39:12 | kergoth | I'm still trying to figure that out |
| 22:39:13 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:39:17 | Gepeto | feels like trying apps on his Z |
| 22:39:19 | Gepeto | any ssuggestion? |
| 22:39:20 | kergoth | I think opie isnt being stripped |
| 22:42:30 | kergoth | sure shit.. |
| 22:42:33 | kergoth | its not being stripped |
| 22:42:36 | Gamara | hiya. |
| 22:42:40 | Gepeto | hi Gamara |
| 22:42:44 | kergoth | the library alone will shrink 170k |
| 22:43:06 | kergoth | libqte shrinks about 500k |
| 22:43:10 | kergoth | yep, ill fix that |
| 22:43:23 | Gepeto | I wonder when the TimeSleuth portal will be released |
| 22:43:38 | kergoth | good question, its a good app |
| 22:43:41 | kergoth | i use it alot |
| 22:44:33 | Gepeto | me too |
| 22:44:36 | Gepeto | everyday I work :) |
| 22:44:45 | Gepeto | too bad I can,t specify an hourly rate somewhere in it |
| 22:44:51 | Gepeto | I guess I'll be able to do that with the portal |
| 22:45:01 | Gepeto | yet I emailed the Timesleuth guy twice and he never answered... |
| 22:47:56 | Gamara | I can't find the info: does the zaurus come with any memory cards, I mena, I have cf cards, but no sd cards and was wondering whether or not it came with? |
| 22:48:28 | Gepeto | mine came with nothing :) |
| 22:48:38 | Gepeto | it's already cheap you know, can't put a 128mb for nothing in there ;) |
| 22:49:15 | Gamara | yeah, I have a 1/4 gb and 128 mb cards. |
| 22:49:26 | Gepeto | I usually say 256mb though ;) |
| 22:49:34 | Gamara | bah. |
| 22:51:21 | Gamara | :-) |
| 22:51:25 | JasonNJ | oipkg doesnt like installing to sd |
| 22:51:34 | JasonNJ | getting an error on every package I want to put there |
| 22:51:37 | kergoth | JasonNJ: did you run it from embeddedkonsole? |
| 22:51:44 | JasonNJ | yes |
| 22:51:47 | kergoth | hmm |
| 22:51:53 | kergoth | i havent tested latest oipkg thoroughly |
| 22:52:02 | JasonNJ | I think we need to put a lot of work into this |
| 22:52:18 | JasonNJ | once you finish beta 10 that has to be the bulk of the opie project's work |
| 22:52:57 | kergoth | agreed. |
| 22:53:03 | kergoth | oipkg is one of the KEY opie applications, period. |
| 22:53:23 | kergoth | I'll assist tille with it. |
| 22:58:51 | Twiun | Oooer, rpdjay's howto email is nicely detailed |
| 23:06:29 | JasonNJ | sd install and mtdram is broken |
| 23:06:37 | JasonNJ | I presume cf as well |
| 23:07:58 | JasonNJ | definitely make sure you strip opie in the next build |
| 23:08:04 | JasonNJ | I bet you will save tons of space |
| 23:13:15 | JasonNJ | oh wait a second. |
| 23:13:36 | JasonNJ | oopkg is using parameter -destmtdram instead of -dmtdram |
| 23:13:40 | JasonNJ | same for sd and cf |
| 23:13:47 | JasonNJ | it works from the prompt |
| 23:15:06 | JasonNJ | yeah that is definitely what is screwed up |
| 23:34:46 | [DrEvil] | MSpin |
| 23:35:19 | MSpin | hey [DrEvil] |
| 23:37:32 | [DrEvil] | does the Linksys CF card have a prism2 or prism2.5? |
| 23:38:06 | MSpin | prism2 I think |
| 23:38:25 | [DrEvil] | others have said that |
| 23:38:26 | [DrEvil] | but |
| 23:38:36 | [DrEvil] | http://www.zauruszone.com/wiki/index.php?WirelessCardSupport |
| 23:38:41 | [DrEvil] | says it has a prism 2.5 |
| 23:38:59 | MSpin | does it matter? |
| 23:39:07 | MSpin | JasonNJ: ping |
| 23:39:07 | [DrEvil] | i dunno |
| 23:39:22 | [DrEvil] | I would assume that the 2.5 is better |
| 23:39:40 | MSpin | only by a small amount |
| 23:39:51 | MSpin | a food front end on a prism2 would be best |
| 23:40:37 | [DrEvil] | so spilling soup on the card will make it better? |
| 23:41:40 | MSpin | LOL |
| 23:41:42 | MSpin | good |