| 00:06:32 | ljp_hatesQWestPh | koolance company is awesome |
| 00:18:12 | tux_mike | hrm... |
| 00:18:46 | tux_mike | i just found that video lan has a familiar port |
| 00:19:31 | treke | It also has a qt port |
| 00:19:58 | tux_mike | well, qt for interface |
| 00:20:19 | tux_mike | the vlc display is SDL/X11 |
| 00:20:39 | treke | Video not rendered against a qt object? Familiar/X11 is really pretty easy to port to :) |
| 00:22:34 | tux_mike | no QT render |
| 00:23:09 | blee | so I'm trying to cross-compile zsnes for zaurus and I'm not a C dev'er. |
| 00:23:59 | blee | libSDL is alpha on the zaurus. anyone using it? |
| 00:29:44 | ljp_hatesQWestPh | kendrick does a lot of dev with libSDL |
| 00:30:59 | blee | somehow I don't think I'll be successful. I've got a working cross-compiling environment up and running. I've just never done a port. Have no idea how hard/easy it is. |
| 00:31:10 | blee | No one I know does C. (I know the wrong ppl) |
| 00:31:32 | ljp_hatesQWestPh | I know c |
| 00:31:41 | ljp_hatesQWestPh | C is basically C++ without class |
| 00:31:47 | ljp_hatesQWestPh | hehe |
| 00:32:33 | ljp_hatesQWestPh | has way too many equipment manuals |
| 00:33:17 | blee | right. well who has done ports? is porting advanced C programming? or does the toolkit/cross-compilier do most of the work? |
| 00:34:42 | blee | the zaurus is very cool, I'd just like to see some more software out there. |
| 00:35:06 | treke | blee : I varies from program to program |
| 00:37:06 | blee | i see. |
| 00:42:02 | wwelti | hmmmmm... somehow it is a bit frustrating ... |
| 00:42:21 | wwelti | how my z can do everything theoretically but nuthing practically |
| 00:50:38 | Hellaenergy | How is everyone today? |
| 00:50:53 | roge99 | hey Hellaenergy |
| 00:50:56 | roge99 | how goes it |
| 00:51:01 | Hellaenergy | whats up roge99? |
| 00:51:04 | Hellaenergy | not bad at all |
| 00:51:09 | roge99 | not much .. |
| 00:51:17 | Hellaenergy | Just got my shop to go Linux |
| 00:51:27 | Hellaenergy | ;) |
| 00:51:44 | roge99 | having a glass of wine ... or 2 ... or isit3erfeour |
| 00:52:08 | Hellaenergy | I can tell |
| 00:52:08 | Hellaenergy | :) |
| 00:54:05 | tux_mike | hey rog |
| 00:54:22 | tux_mike | roge99: what zip are you in? |
| 00:54:41 | roge99 | 06237 |
| 00:54:43 | roge99 | why |
| 00:55:55 | tux_mike | curious how long it's gonna take |
| 00:55:57 | tux_mike | :) |
| 00:56:39 | tux_mike | i plan on backing up tivo streams to tape :) |
| 00:56:47 | roge99 | i sent it first class ... they said 2 days |
| 00:57:03 | roge99 | you should have it tomorrow |
| 00:57:26 | tux_mike | cool :) |
| 00:57:34 | tux_mike | thanks a million :) |
| 00:57:40 | roge99 | not a prob |
| 00:57:50 | roge99 | they were just colecting dust |
| 00:58:07 | BZFlag | wishes he had a larger MMC card |
| 00:58:46 | Neo|Work | is away: home |
| 00:59:23 | scanline | is back (gone 11:55:56) |
| 01:02:13 | lemsx1 | hello all, does anybody knows how to get avantgo to sync with the Zaurus? |
| 01:02:23 | scanline | is away: back to studying... |
| 01:04:38 | Hellaenergy | lemsxl: with the irDa? |
| 01:06:09 | lemsx1 | no, just plain USB |
| 01:11:02 | lemsx1 | hallaenergy: I guess is just simpler to have a script taking the .rdf (rss) files you want from whichever site and making HTML for the news... like I saw some Python script before |
| 01:11:31 | Hellaenergy | hm |
| 01:12:20 | blee | isn't rss XML? |
| 01:12:35 | blee | or am I mixing something up. |
| 01:13:01 | lemsx1 | yes, rss is xml |
| 01:14:54 | lemsx1 | blee: I want to take an .rdf, get the news and make html for e/a news with an index that acts as a table of content for them... I already saw a Python script that does this, but I like Perl... (And don't know or want to use Python) |
| 01:15:46 | lemsx1 | blee: I got a rss2html.pl script from the internet... etc... but then again I was thinking if there is an AvantGo version for the Zaurus, then I don't have to do this at all... |
| 01:19:50 | treke | no AvantGo for the zaurus |
| 01:20:35 | lemsx1 | treke: k, that's sad |
| 01:22:02 | treke | lemsx1 : Its a new small platform. It may get made |
| 01:23:02 | lemsx1 | treke: maybe somebody should take the source used for the visor (linux) and play with that to see what comes out... |
| 01:23:04 | Hellaenergy | lemsxl: Do you program?' |
| 01:23:17 | lemsx1 | Hellaenergy: yes I do |
| 01:23:17 | treke | lemsx1 : PalmOS and QT are very different |
| 01:23:26 | Hellaenergy | Do it up |
| 01:23:31 | Hellaenergy | ;) |
| 01:23:38 | lemsx1 | treke: I know they are different |
| 01:23:47 | Hellaenergy | Have you used Advantgo in the past? |
| 01:23:57 | lemsx1 | Hellaenergy: I have to find out if there is somebody already working on this before starting |
| 01:24:05 | Hellaenergy | Whats so great about it? |
| 01:24:10 | lemsx1 | Hellaenergy: yes I love it |
| 01:24:53 | Hellaenergy | Could you give us a brief overview of it? |
| 01:24:57 | lemsx1 | Hellaenergy: you get something similar to getting .rdf from sites like slashdot... like all those blocks that have news from other sites... |
| 01:25:36 | Hellaenergy | oh cool |
| 01:25:45 | lemsx1 | Hellaenergy: i'm trying to think what would be the best way to explain it. but that depends on how much you might know of managing sites that have dynamic blocks |
| 01:25:46 | Hellaenergy | we definatly need that for the z |
| 01:26:01 | lemsx1 | yes, it's very cool |
| 01:26:21 | lemsx1 | I usually have my.yahoo.com, slashdot, nytimes, cnn.com and cnet.com |
| 01:26:30 | lemsx1 | so when I'm on the train I can read something |
| 01:26:43 | lemsx1 | if I get bore of reading other things that is |
| 01:26:49 | Hellaenergy | sounds like a good project |
| 01:27:17 | lemsx1 | well, right now I'm just going to do it using a perl script (i'm almost done since I found an rss2html.pl script already) |
| 01:28:10 | lemsx1 | I'm modifying this script so that it takes a list of severs from a plain text file and parse one by one, does the HTML for them (as a TOC) and then use this resulting page as your home page for Opera :-) neat |
| 01:29:07 | lemsx1 | so you can just put servers that are syndicated, like slashdot, latinomixed.com, etc... plus a lot more, and things like weather... you name it |
| 01:29:27 | Hellaenergy | traffic maps :) |
| 01:29:37 | Hellaenergy | like I said, I'm sold :) |
| 01:30:15 | Hellaenergy | Now all we need is a hologram projector for the z and we are cool |
| 01:30:20 | lemsx1 | give me couple of minutes to test this... brb |
| 01:31:25 | lemsx1 | by the way, anybody found out where to put a route so that it becomes static and one doesn't have to 'route add default gw IP' all the time?? |
| 01:33:59 | blee | doesn't the Zaurus use /etc/routers like Solaris and other *NIXes? for it's default gw? |
| 01:34:23 | blee | You could always make a bash script in /etc/rc.d/rc5.d called S88routes or something ... |
| 01:34:32 | blee | gg |
| 01:35:24 | lemsx1 | blee: good idea |
| 01:36:13 | lemsx1 | blee: i got the impression that the zaurus linux is somewhat based on redhat, so there should be a /etc/sysconfig/network file that has that variable... but that doesn't seem to be the place for it |
| 01:38:23 | | catalin was last seen on #zaurus 1 days, 10 hours, 11 minutes and 19 seconds ago, saying: recovering from a long vacation :) [Tue May 7 16:27:04 2002] |
| 01:38:23 | kaygee | ibot seen catalin |
| 01:47:39 | ljp_hatesQWestPh | lemsx1: the Z runs Embedix |
| 01:48:28 | tux_mike | anyone here have a tivo? |
| 01:49:42 | BZFlag | routes could live in /etc/pcmcia/network.opts |
| 01:56:21 | Com[Plex] | hey, did you guys see this in the sharp newsletter? |
| 01:56:22 | Com[Plex] | We'd like to extend a special thank you for all your hard work and effort in making the Zaurus a truly great handheld. As such, Sharp and Hancom are pleased to offer you a licensed copy of Hancom Mobile Office which includes Mobile Word, Mobile Sheet, and Mobile Presenter. Again this is only for early adopters of the SL-5000D and you will need you serial number for verification purposes. You can download your free copy of Hancom Mobile Office at |
| 01:56:32 | Com[Plex] | http://www.zaurus.com/dev/hancom/registration.php |
| 02:03:35 | ljp_hatesQWestPh | ya |
| 02:04:36 | ljp_hatesQWestPh | saw that about a week ago.. but it was announced first here |
| 02:06:31 | lemsx1 | ljp_hatesQWestPh: yes I know. but I think is based on RH because some of the config files still have the comment: config file for RH 6.0 etc... |
| 02:06:41 | W|GGL|T | is back (gone 06:57:39) |
| 02:20:58 | nasa | Anyone know how to install packages with the installer in OZ |
| 02:22:52 | BZFlag | nasa: DL them to the Documents directory and then select them in the installer. |
| 02:24:25 | nasa | I put a bunch of things I want to install on my cf card -- do I need to make a documents directory? |
| 02:24:53 | BZFlag | I expect so, that's what I do anyway. ;-) |
| 02:25:25 | nasa | Cool... |
| 02:30:29 | W|GGL|T | ps x | grep inetd |
| 02:30:32 | W|GGL|T | shit |
| 02:30:46 | nasa | 2 more questions: 1 - do I have to install a terminal for oz? 2 - why doesn't my SDC/MMC card get recognized? |
| 02:31:53 | nasa | ah -- I lied, Also want to know if I can login via usb from the default settings of OZ... |
| 02:33:04 | nasa | or maybe pointing me to some docs would be helpful |
| 02:35:23 | MEGASTeP | is away: I'm away, dammit |
| 02:47:55 | nasa | BZFlag - you still here? |
| 02:49:00 | CloudChaser | hello.. |
| 02:49:07 | nasa | Hi |
| 02:49:11 | CloudChaser | hoping someone could help me again |
| 02:49:17 | CloudChaser | i can't seem to sync tonight |
| 02:49:30 | nasa | What's happening? |
| 02:49:46 | CloudChaser | nothing..can't connect to the zaurus it looks like |
| 02:49:58 | CloudChaser | haven't had any trouble to speak of |
| 02:50:04 | CloudChaser | til tonight |
| 02:50:07 | nasa | You can't ping the Z? |
| 02:50:14 | CloudChaser | cousre i've only had it since friday |
| 02:50:49 | kergoth`zzz | hey |
| 02:50:57 | CloudChaser | nope can't ping it |
| 02:51:00 | nasa | Hi kergoth |
| 02:51:15 | nasa | CloudChaser -- what os you using? |
| 02:51:26 | kergoth | hunger, roge99, ljp_hatesQWestPh: updated dhcpcd package built by the buildsystem. it uses /var/run/dhcpcd/blah.pid now |
| 02:51:34 | CloudChaser | windows 2000 |
| 02:52:06 | nasa | oh... I don't have that os. I use linux |
| 02:52:30 | ljp_hatesQWestPh | kergoth: that xtra case fan they gave me... variable speed! |
| 02:52:30 | CloudChaser | i haven't figured out how to sync to linux yet |
| 02:53:04 | kergoth | ljp_hatesQWestPh: nice :-) |
| 02:53:15 | ljp_hatesQWestPh | and its quiet |
| 02:54:34 | nasa | Hey kergoth -- I installed OZ 3 (beta9) and noticed that there isn't a terminal app installed by default. If I used a rom that gave all the memory to the Z and none for apps -- how do I install apps to my sd card? |
| 02:54:49 | kergoth | nasa: use the package manager |
| 02:55:01 | nasa | Especially, since it's not showing up on my bar.. (or is it suppose to?) |
| 02:55:18 | kergoth | nasa: it shows up.. or should.. but the icon is different than the sharp one.. |
| 02:55:59 | nasa | nope, it's not showing up |
| 02:56:40 | kergoth | hmm |
| 02:56:44 | kergoth | hold on |
| 02:58:02 | roge99 | hey kergoth seems when i install to sd the apps dont show up ??? |
| 02:58:27 | kergoth | roge99: are you installing the apps by clicking on them in the documents tab? |
| 02:58:33 | roge99 | some of them |
| 02:58:38 | roge99 | others i did by hand |
| 02:58:42 | kergoth | roge99: because that'll fail due to a bug in oipkg.. itll install, but wont be able to get linked in |
| 02:58:49 | kergoth | roge99: 'by hand'? you created all the symlinks manually? |
| 02:58:55 | roge99 | no |
| 02:59:00 | roge99 | ran ipkg |
| 02:59:02 | kergoth | roge99: every file on the sd card gets symlinked to the rootfs. |
| 02:59:03 | roge99 | command line |
| 02:59:06 | kergoth | roge99: ipkg -d wont do it. |
| 02:59:13 | roge99 | ahh |
| 02:59:14 | kergoth | roge99: it'll just install the files to sd, but they wont be linked |
| 02:59:18 | nasa | how do you get a command line... |
| 02:59:29 | nasa | no terminal app is installed by default |
| 02:59:44 | kergoth | nasa: install opie-embeddedkonsole |
| 02:59:44 | kergoth | nasa: there are shitloads of packages not installed by default in the feed. |
| 02:59:47 | kergoth | nasa: use the package manager to install it |
| 02:59:59 | roge99 | installed it in ram |
| 03:00:01 | kergoth | roge99: where are you putting the ipks to install? or are you installing from a feed? |
| 03:00:11 | roge99 | from cf and from feed |
| 03:00:14 | nasa | kergoth -- can't install it because sd/mmc card not seen |
| 03:00:26 | roge99 | tried both |
| 03:00:40 | CloudChaser | does anyone have any ideas that i could try? |
| 03:00:57 | roge99 | for syncing w/ linux |
| 03:01:02 | CloudChaser | no 2k |
| 03:01:07 | roge99 | ewwwww |
| 03:01:08 | roge99 | no |
| 03:01:08 | CloudChaser | it worked last night |
| 03:01:11 | kergoth | nasa: well I cant debug sdmmc atm |
| 03:01:12 | CloudChaser | and this morning |
| 03:01:17 | kergoth | nasa: as i dont have one ;-) |
| 03:01:33 | ysadykov | anyone here? |
| 03:01:34 | kergoth | nasa: can you use the usb networking? ssh into the unit and install opie-embeddedkonsole |
| 03:01:39 | kergoth | ysadykov: no |
| 03:01:42 | roge99 | have jason ship you one :) |
| 03:01:45 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:01:45 | ysadykov | ok |
| 03:01:49 | kergoth | i'm not pushing my luck ;-) |
| 03:02:01 | roge99 | ill ask for ya ! |
| 03:02:07 | kergoth | hah |
| 03:02:27 | kergoth | can you test the new dhcpcd? i want to verify that it puts the pid in the right place so that network script works right |
| 03:02:45 | roge99 | sure its in the feed right |
| 03:02:47 | kergoth | yep |
| 03:03:15 | kergoth | roge99: fyi, README both in cvs and on SF is being updated with all the current issues and the corresponding fixes. I'm keeping on it. |
| 03:04:25 | kergoth | nasa: i'm not sure whats up with sd.. it worked flawlessly in 8.5.. and i didnt change anything.. |
| 03:04:43 | kergoth | roge99: you have an sd card? is sdmgr running in the background onyour unit? |
| 03:04:45 | kergoth | hmm |
| 03:04:48 | nasa | kergoth -- how do I start ssh as I can't get to a terminal |
| 03:05:05 | roge99 | ill check in a min / reflashing .... again |
| 03:05:18 | roge99 | although it seems to run fine |
| 03:05:26 | nasa | I can get qtopiadesktop to work however.... |
| 03:05:36 | kergoth | nasa: ssh runs by default. |
| 03:05:45 | kergoth | nasa: you can ssh IN to the Z.. its running sshd |
| 03:05:45 | roge99 | nasa: you can kill opie from the shutdown app |
| 03:05:49 | kergoth | yeah that too |
| 03:06:17 | kergoth | s/ssh runs by default/sshd runs by default/ |
| 03:06:19 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:07:25 | roge99 | so what root do i need to take to get apps in sd |
| 03:07:34 | roge99 | install from feed ? |
| 03:07:40 | nasa | hmm, when I try "slogin -l root 192.168.129.201" I get a connection refused error |
| 03:10:04 | kergoth | roge99: you can 1) install from feed, after configuring the default destination to SD.. or 2) edit ~/Settings/oipkg.conf .. change the DocLnk path to the path where the ipk files are.. then run oipkg.. those ipks will appear under documents instead of under feed in the main screen.. you can install them then. |
| 03:10:08 | nasa | ok, killed opie -- and noticed the line "Start SD services:sdmgr[261]: no such file or directory |
| 03:10:22 | kergoth | nasa: find / -name sdmgr |
| 03:11:12 | nasa | it's finds it (sbin/sdmgr" |
| 03:11:23 | nasa | damn can't type |
| 03:11:23 | kergoth | nasa: run it manually.. /sbin/sdmgr |
| 03:13:13 | kergoth | nasa: it almost sounds like you didnt full reset when you flashed |
| 03:13:20 | nasa | it starts up with the same error I listed before.... program continues to run. |
| 03:13:41 | kergoth | sdmgr is running in the background? |
| 03:13:41 | nasa | hmmm, I can try reflashing it.... |
| 03:13:45 | nasa | no |
| 03:14:03 | kergoth | see sshd will not be running if its package wasnt configured... and apckages get configured on full reset |
| 03:14:20 | kergoth | nasa: do this.. strace /sbin/sdmgr 2>&1|grep open |
| 03:14:33 | kergoth | nasa: though you'd need the strace package for that.. hehe. |
| 03:14:34 | nasa | how do I do a cntl-z? |
| 03:14:40 | kergoth | nasa: you dont, from the console |
| 03:14:45 | kergoth | nasa: ctrl+c doesnt work etiher |
| 03:14:57 | kergoth | nasa: try this. just full reset. dont reflash, just full reset. |
| 03:15:02 | nasa | ok |
| 03:15:40 | roge99 | kergoth: im also still haven the qpe-base dep prob's |
| 03:15:49 | kergoth | roge99: i know.. cant solve it |
| 03:15:54 | kergoth | roge99: it already Provides qpe-base.. |
| 03:15:56 | roge99 | why |
| 03:16:06 | kergoth | roge99: but those packages Depend on version 1.5.0 of qpe-base specifically |
| 03:16:10 | kergoth | roge99: we arent that version... |
| 03:16:14 | roge99 | right |
| 03:16:25 | roge99 | can we fake it |
| 03:16:27 | kergoth | roge99: those packages shouldve done something smarter like Depends = qpe-base (1.5.0+) |
| 03:16:32 | nasa | hey kergoth -- what happens if the sd/mmc card is formated as ext2? |
| 03:16:35 | kergoth | roge99: instead of just 1.5.0 |
| 03:16:38 | kergoth | nasa: i have no idea, actually |
| 03:16:42 | kergoth | nasa: havent tested |
| 03:16:50 | kergoth | nasa: in theory it should work fine |
| 03:16:56 | roge99 | nasa: mine is ext2 works fine |
| 03:17:42 | kergoth | ugh i need to shower. afk |
| 03:18:58 | nasa | damn -- same results |
| 03:21:21 | CloudChaser | well i got it to synch.. had to do a soft reset.. that's a pain |
| 03:21:25 | nasa | hey roge99: what rom are you using |
| 03:22:03 | roge99 | beta9 |
| 03:22:12 | nasa | which memory config? |
| 03:22:34 | roge99 | 26-6 |
| 03:23:19 | nasa | I will give that rom a try |
| 03:23:31 | nasa | off to reflash.... |
| 03:29:53 | nasa | back, and it's all good... |
| 03:30:06 | nasa | kergoth seemed to be all over it |
| 03:30:33 | nasa | I watched the boot up and it reconfigure itself (which it had not done before) |
| 03:53:41 | ApoXX | how come cvs opie doesn't have jpeg support? |
| 03:59:07 | nasa | what's wrong with the command: ipkg -dest /mnt/card/ -force-depends kbill_0.8.ipk |
| 03:59:23 | nasa | I get the error: ERROR: Unknown dest name: `/mnt/card/' |
| 03:59:41 | roge99 | you need to set up a dest in the config file |
| 04:01:05 | nasa | doens't the install program do that? |
| 04:02:19 | roge99 | ahhh did you forget somthing on the line you put here |
| 04:02:29 | roge99 | ipkg -dest /mnt/card/ -force-depends kbill_0.8.ipk |
| 04:02:38 | roge99 | ipkg -dest /mnt/card/ -force-depends install kbill_0.8.ipk |
| 04:03:19 | roge99 | although from what kergoth told me your apps wont be linked to the root if you install like that |
| 04:03:21 | nasa | still get teh dest eroor |
| 04:03:37 | nasa | damn -- did I ever learn to type??? |
| 04:04:54 | nasa | Also -- after installing do I need to restart the Z to get the app to show? |
| 04:05:13 | nasa | I installed the terminal app to the root directory and it's not showing up.... |
| 04:05:15 | roge99 | no it should show up right away |
| 04:05:29 | roge99 | you could restart opie |
| 04:06:23 | nasa | under feeds it's status is listed as -- deinstall ok install, what does that mean? |
| 04:07:19 | roge99 | havent a clue |
| 04:07:33 | nasa | ok, and how do I uninstall an app? |
| 04:08:01 | roge99 | hold the stylus down on it until a menu pops up |
| 04:09:02 | nasa | and then what -- it showed the remove option and then places and X, what do I do after that? |
| 04:09:16 | nasa | never mind |
| 04:24:05 | NeoTron | is back (gone 11:55:38) |
| 04:29:34 | HrAbbey | is away: I'm tired of watching my huge download... |
| 05:09:40 | Guru | hey!! |
| 05:10:20 | Guru | whats up? |
| 05:11:03 | NeoTron | SD is really rather damn slow on the Zaurus |
| 05:11:31 | Guru | I just picked up the PhD multipen w/stylus |
| 05:12:07 | Guru | its awesome pen/pencil/stylus for $8 |
| 05:12:43 | Guru | Im using it now |
| 05:17:21 | Guru | anything new going on wrt Zaurus? |
| 05:20:47 | Guru | hey whats going on^ |
| 05:21:25 | Com[Plex] | joo guys see that the are giving away hancom office to 5000d owners? |
| 05:21:41 | Guru | yea |
| 05:21:54 | Com[Plex] | To all our developers who purchased the SL-5000D prior to March 21, 2002: |
| 05:21:54 | Com[Plex] | We'd like to extend a special thank you for all your hard work and effort in making the Zaurus a truly great handheld. As such, Sharp and Hancom are pleased to offer you a licensed copy of Hancom Mobile Office which includes Mobile Word, Mobile Sheet, and Mobile Presenter. Again this is only for early adopters of the SL-5000D and you will need you serial number for verification purposes. You can download your free copy of Hancom Mobile Office at |
| 05:21:54 | Com[Plex] | http://www.zaurus.com/developer/hancom/index.html |
| 05:22:21 | Guru | nice gesture by Sharp |
| 05:23:15 | Guru | hey, how much slower is your SD card? |
| 05:24:24 | Guru | is it noticeably slower? |
| 05:24:39 | Com[Plex] | eh. slower than onboard ram? |
| 05:24:56 | Com[Plex] | I dunno, I mean, its slow, - I assume its slower than onbaord ram, but I install EVERYTHIGN to SD.. |
| 05:26:10 | Guru | does it affect your usage7 |
| 05:26:11 | Guru | ? |
| 05:26:27 | Com[Plex] | no, not that I can think of |
| 05:26:44 | Com[Plex] | I am constantly rebuilding ipkgs tho, |
| 05:27:00 | Guru | I suppose all your programs load slower because of the SD |
| 05:27:08 | Com[Plex] | sems like 40% of the people who are programming these apps dont know how to properly use ipkg-build |
| 05:27:39 | Com[Plex] | well sure guru, the tkc apps are all like pulling teeth. |
| 05:27:47 | Guru | having probs installing to SD? |
| 05:27:49 | Com[Plex] | they take a long time to load that splash screen off the SD |
| 05:28:10 | Guru | hmmm. |
| 05:28:35 | Com[Plex] | once I re-build all the ipkgs, I got them to install fine, - however, I dont remember if I had any probs with the last batch of updates |
| 05:28:40 | Com[Plex] | anyway, its not unbearable |
| 05:29:23 | Com[Plex] | its a little pause, then the apps load, but then, alot of those pauses are from the apps loading other files, and doing searches and whatnot, - I mean, I got 22 megs worth of apps installed on the SD alone. |
| 05:29:46 | Com[Plex] | with 3 megs still free on the onboard storage. - and this is a 5000d |
| 05:29:53 | Com[Plex] | the SD will totally make your day. |
| 05:30:14 | Guru | I want SD because my 802.11 uses cf |
| 05:30:19 | Com[Plex] | of coruse |
| 05:30:22 | Com[Plex] | thats why I got it |
| 05:30:33 | Com[Plex] | the SD you put in, and forget about it, install all your apps, Never have to take it out. |
| 05:31:18 | Com[Plex] | I formatted it to ext2fs, wich, unfortunately, my windows system cant read ext2fs on the card reader/writer I have, but thats not biggie, because the zaurus can format it if I enver need to,. |
| 05:31:27 | Guru | cool, too bad so expznsive |
| 05:31:29 | Com[Plex] | I also have a 128mb CF card too. |
| 05:31:46 | Com[Plex] | 45$ for a 128cf, or 40$ for a 64mb SD |
| 05:31:52 | Com[Plex] | thats not really too expensive in my eyes |
| 05:32:46 | Com[Plex] | 46$ for sd sandisk at newegg |
| 05:33:01 | Guru | yeah. not too bad. Im runnina out of space |
| 05:33:03 | Com[Plex] | 87 for the 128 sd.. I think I might get one |
| 05:33:15 | Com[Plex] | get the 64, I strongly reccomend it |
| 05:33:20 | Guru | I need to do something |
| 05:33:25 | Com[Plex] | I got so many apps on this thing, I dont know what to do with myself |
| 05:33:45 | Guru | do u recommend a certain brand? |
| 05:34:27 | Guru | I hear Toshiba has the lowest power consumption |
| 05:34:37 | Com[Plex] | well,. this one works operfectly, but, I saw a thing the other day, this german writeup of what cards consume for power, and some were a lot mroe than othe4rs. - some alsoconsumed power just sitting there idle |
| 05:34:41 | Com[Plex] | and others didnt |
| 05:34:47 | Com[Plex] | - newegg has toshiba |
| 05:35:08 | Com[Plex] | www.newegg.com search for "sd mmc" |
| 05:35:31 | Guru | cool. thanx for the info |
| 05:35:46 | Com[Plex] | I picked up a modem at mardens for 33$, its SOOO TINY |
| 05:35:49 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 05:35:56 | Com[Plex] | its regular 169$ |
| 05:36:09 | Com[Plex] | my only complaint is that I wont ever need to use it! |
| 05:36:23 | Guru | cf modem? |
| 05:37:14 | Com[Plex] | yeah, complact flash.. er. modem... |
| 05:37:20 | Com[Plex] | you know, dialup |
| 05:37:38 | Com[Plex] | that thing that you do, to get on, when your dsl is down, that ties up the phone line?... |
| 05:38:23 | Com[Plex] | dude, newegg has the zaurus 5500 for 439$ |
| 05:38:26 | Com[Plex] | woohoo! |
| 05:38:26 | Com[Plex] | hehe |
| 05:38:53 | Com[Plex] | jeeesus. 512mb cf cards are a friggin joke |
| 05:39:00 | Guru | cool |
| 05:39:00 | Com[Plex] | 256 dollars |
| 05:39:08 | Com[Plex] | BOOOOOOOO |
| 05:39:11 | Com[Plex] | sssssssssssssss |
| 05:39:17 | Com[Plex] | man, I need to go to bed. |
| 05:39:33 | Guru | maybe a microdrive is better |
| 05:39:54 | Com[Plex] | yeah, for 40-50$ for a gig.. ebay |
| 05:42:24 | NeoTron | 40-50 bucks for a 1 GB microdrive? |
| 05:42:32 | NeoTron | sounds way too cheap |
| 05:43:40 | Com[Plex] | nope |
| 05:44:00 | Com[Plex] | friend got 2 for 80 the oher day, with pcmcia adapter too |
| 05:44:26 | Com[Plex] | just gotta bid on a few of them, 50 -60 each. you might have to wait a couple weeks, but you will nail one eventually |
| 05:44:56 | Com[Plex] | lots of people have reserves, but some people jsut wnat to sell, those are the ones you bid one. |
| 05:44:57 | Com[Plex] | on |
| 05:45:03 | Com[Plex] | anwyay, sleep,. now. |
| 05:45:05 | Com[Plex] | waves |
| 05:45:12 | Guru | late |
| 05:46:43 | | NeoTron: sorry... |
| 05:46:43 | NeoTron | ibot sca[p |
| 05:46:44 | | scap is http://handhelds.org/scap/ or a CGI application now |
| 05:46:44 | NeoTron | ibot scap |
| 05:47:18 | Guru | what is scap? |
| 05:51:36 | NeoTron | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.5232.png |
| 05:51:46 | NeoTron | purple blaster screenshot from my Zaurus |
| 05:51:53 | NeoTron | Guru: it is a screenshot service of sorts |
| 06:21:14 | W|GGL|T | is away: I'm busy smoking a blunt or sleeping or something |
| 06:33:25 | W|GGL|T | is back (gone 00:12:10) |
| 06:52:18 | NeoTron | is away: snooze |
| 07:08:06 | W|GGL|T | is away: I'm busy smoking a blunt or sleeping or something |
| 07:08:12 | W|GGL|T | night |
| 10:07:07 | Twiun | Morning |
| 11:00:15 | hunger | Anyone ever tried building a gcc-based crosscompiler? |
| 11:03:37 | Twiun | hunger: nope |
| 11:04:05 | NetAmp | Haha cool, Sony is releasing the Aibo robot SDK (OPEN-R) |
| 11:04:15 | NetAmp | let's hook it up to a Z *lol* |
| 11:04:15 | hunger | Twiun: The gcc from the crosscompiling toolchain provided by SHARP is too old for my code:-( |
| 11:05:22 | hunger | really hates the pre-3.0 gcc not having a standard conformant STL. |
| 11:06:59 | NetAmp | int main { |
| 11:06:59 | NetAmp | getNewspaper(7:00); |
| 11:06:59 | NetAmp | } |
| 11:07:30 | Twiun | NewspaperNotFoundException |
| 11:07:38 | NetAmp | *lol* |
| 11:07:49 | Twiun | at getNewspaper():1 |
| 11:08:26 | Twiun | hmmm... hard to get a line number from a code snippet ;-) |
| 11:08:30 | NetAmp | try { getNewspaper() } catch(NewspaperNotFoundException) { bark(2) } |
| 11:08:32 | hunger | Twiun: Reminds me of a nice command sequence for the Shell of an old DEC machine (iirc, might have been another box): |
| 11:08:40 | hunger | Twiun: > make fire |
| 11:08:54 | hunger | Twiun: Don't know how to make fire. |
| 11:08:59 | hunger | Twiun: > why? |
| 11:09:04 | hunger | Twiun: No match. |
| 11:09:08 | NetAmp | hahaha |
| 11:09:29 | NetAmp | return *NewsPaper |
| 11:10:49 | NetAmp | fetchZaurus(); updateFromFeed(); |
| 11:12:04 | NetAmp | Hm it seems to have IR. |
| 11:12:20 | Twiun | hehehe |
| 11:12:34 | NetAmp | so you could beam the dog appointment info, and it could bark to remind you ;) |
| 11:12:53 | NetAmp | (or bite your leg... which wouldn't be that nice) |
| 11:14:39 | NetAmp | bbl |
| 11:15:06 | NetAmp | have fun y'all ;) |
| 11:28:15 | roge99_away | is away: out-n-about |
| 11:32:52 | Rince_ | rere |
| 11:41:08 | gash0rz | anybody know if you can multiple profiles for the wlan configuration? |
| 13:10:23 | numatrix | Has anyone heard when the results of the trolltech competition might be announced? It seems like most of the apps I was interested in that won the beta round have already been released, but it might be nice to see the contest results. |
| 13:13:13 | ljp_hatesQWestPh | done |
| 13:13:21 | ljp_hatesQWestPh | opps |
| 13:13:33 | scanline | is away: still busy with finals... |
| 13:25:19 | ][N-Flux | is away: Work |
| 13:26:30 | Rince_ | hi ibot |
| 14:03:02 | ljp | boo! |
| 14:08:50 | codemnky | msg whardier yo |
| 14:11:05 | codemnky | hey mandrake |
| 14:11:15 | mandrake | hello |
| 14:11:22 | codemnky | what's up |
| 14:11:34 | codemnky | any new cool Z tricks? |
| 14:12:02 | mandrake | nope |
| 14:12:06 | mandrake | been doing windows stuff lately |
| 14:12:11 | kergoth | hey |
| 14:12:20 | codemnky | hey kergoth |
| 14:12:53 | codemnky | i need to flash openZ i was a trader and checked out the latest sharp image |
| 14:13:57 | hunger | kergoth: I'm trying to build a new crosscompiler for myself again. |
| 14:14:39 | hunger | kergoth: I'm going crazy! It keeps stopping because of ld not finding crt1.o during configure! Any idea what could cause that? |
| 14:15:34 | codemnky | what is crt1.o ? |
| 14:15:41 | hunger | kergoth: Good morning to you by the way;-) |
| 14:16:11 | hunger | codemnky: I have NO clue. obviously its something that should get generated by the compiler for the linker or something... |
| 14:18:26 | codemnky | i'm searching in google for 'crt1.o' and there is stuff about it and cross compiling |
| 14:18:36 | hunger | codemnky: I think I found it! Theres such a file in glibc's build tree. |
| 14:18:58 | codemnky | cool |
| 14:19:06 | hunger | If only building a crosscompiler was as easy as the various HOWTOs suggest! |
| 14:19:37 | codemnky | when i first tried to build one i thought it couldn't be this hard, but i guess it is |
| 14:20:03 | codemnky | got to having eveything just right |
| 14:20:19 | hunger | codemnky: Lucky you... |
| 14:20:31 | codemnky | no, meaning - i'm still having problems too |
| 14:20:35 | codemnky | :) |
| 14:20:56 | hunger | codemnky: If I make it I'll send the config file to kergoth so he can add it to OZ. |
| 14:21:09 | codemnky | that would be cool |
| 14:21:17 | hunger | codemnky: Then you are only a make cross-gcc away from a new crosscompiler;-) |
| 14:21:35 | hunger | codemnky: binutils worked just fine... I wonder why gcc is acting up so much! |
| 14:22:29 | codemnky | roge99 sodered on a tiny mic inside the Z to use instead of the headset as a mic |
| 14:22:39 | codemnky | you hear about that fix? |
| 14:24:00 | kergoth | hunger: indeed, a couple of the startfiles are provided by glibc, and the rest are provided by gcc. |
| 14:24:22 | kergoth | codemnky: yeah ljp did that |
| 14:24:28 | hunger | kergoth: I thought I had them all sorted out:-( |
| 14:24:33 | kergoth | codemnky: also i man |
| 14:24:35 | kergoth | mean |
| 14:24:39 | kergoth | jeeze im tired |
| 14:24:54 | ljp | did what? |
| 14:25:01 | kergoth | hacked a mic into your Z |
| 14:25:06 | codemnky | that's cool |
| 14:25:08 | ljp | ohh.. he ya |
| 14:25:15 | codemnky | is it hard? |
| 14:25:21 | ljp | I'd like to get a better mic tho. |
| 14:25:50 | ljp | not really.. the hardest part was soldiering and getting the keyboard cover rails back together |
| 14:26:09 | codemnky | i want to try it but i don't want to fry my Z |
| 14:26:32 | kergoth | ljp: any idea wtf /usr/lib/gconv is? |
| 14:26:46 | kergoth | ljp: its taking up like 4 megs on OZ and doesnt exist in the sharp roms.. thats part of the 'missing' space |
| 14:26:56 | ljp | the ground connection was difficult, because I didn't want to get it too hot |
| 14:27:14 | ljp | gconv?? hmmm |
| 14:28:14 | codemnky | later, i guess i'll do some work |
| 14:29:00 | hunger | kergoth: looks like those character-conversion modules to me. |
| 14:29:19 | kergoth | hmm i wonder why the sharp rom has the .so files from 'autofs'.. the automounter uses it.. but the sharp rom doesnt have an automounter installed.. |
| 14:29:23 | codemnky | hey kergoth, question |
| 14:29:24 | kergoth | hunger: yeah so it seems. do we need them? |
| 14:29:27 | kergoth | codemnky: ask away |
| 14:29:57 | hunger | kergoth: I'd guess no. Maybe a few. |
| 14:30:28 | kergoth | hmm |
| 14:30:51 | codemnky | you think adverage consumer will buy the Z? can sharp put any other os on it? |
| 14:30:51 | hunger | kergoth: Remove it and check wether something gets broken;-) |
| 14:31:05 | kergoth | hehe |
| 14:31:10 | kergoth | codemnky: yes, and why? |
| 14:31:21 | codemnky | got in a fight with a frined of mine |
| 14:31:24 | codemnky | about it |
| 14:31:25 | codemnky | :) |
| 14:31:37 | kergoth | codemnky: I dont think itd be smart to put another OS on it, as they have a hefty investment in what they have. its possible, but not smart |
| 14:31:39 | kergoth | heh |
| 14:31:40 | hunger | codemnky: I think Joe Average will consider the Z if the software matches up with his needs. |
| 14:31:41 | ljp | looks to be some kind of font handing |
| 14:31:48 | kergoth | ljp: hmm |
| 14:31:55 | ljp | ISO8859-1.so |
| 14:32:00 | kergoth | yep |
| 14:32:05 | kergoth | character sets |
| 14:32:07 | hunger | codemnky: He won't care about the OS it uses as long as it syncs well and the installed apps work out. |
| 14:32:23 | codemnky | true |
| 14:32:44 | hunger | ljp: I'd guess those are the charset conversion modules used by iconv (or whatever that thing is called again). |
| 14:33:39 | kergoth | http://www.gnu.org/manual/glibc-2.2.3/html_node/libc_101.html |
| 14:33:53 | ljp | looks to be part of GNU C Library |
| 14:33:58 | kergoth | yes, it is |
| 14:34:31 | hunger | codemnky: I don't consider the apps good enough though, so I doubt the Z will sell like wildfire. |
| 14:34:44 | kergoth | agreed |
| 14:34:46 | codemnky | i guess that's up to you guys :) |
| 14:34:56 | ljp | unless Sharp hires Opie developers to whip it into shape |
| 14:34:58 | kergoth | hunger: I'm hoping they'll get it right by the next version after the 5500 |
| 14:35:34 | kergoth | http://www.gnu.org/manual/glibc-2.2.3/html_node/libc_97.html#SEC99 |
| 14:35:34 | hunger | kergoth: What do you meen with 'get it right'? Switch to OZ? |
| 14:35:44 | codemnky | heh |
| 14:35:50 | codemnky | damn right |
| 14:35:51 | ljp | kergoth: can you configure gconv out of glibc? |
| 14:35:52 | codemnky | :) |
| 14:36:13 | kergoth | hunger: Specifically, I'm hoping they get the apps whipped into shape. if that means going with oz/opie, great. as long as it happens. |
| 14:36:23 | kergoth | ljp: not sure, ill check |
| 14:37:15 | kergoth | actually, i could just stuff gconv into a seperate package. |
| 14:37:21 | kergoth | which isnt installed by default. |
| 14:37:28 | kergoth | then peoiple can put it in if they need it. |
| 14:37:39 | codemnky | do you guys actually use the installed aps? or just play with the Z not really storing important information? |
| 14:37:46 | codemnky | i actually just started to really use it |
| 14:38:01 | ljp | I use it everyday |
| 14:38:04 | hunger | kergoth: Many things depend on iconv (and with that on gconv)... Does QT? |
| 14:38:22 | kergoth | hunger: well thats the question. does qt use it. ill dig |
| 14:38:22 | ljp | but I wouldn't call my appointments/contacts/todos important, really.. |
| 14:38:30 | hunger | kergoth: I guess not. IIRC QT uses Unicode internally. |
| 14:38:42 | kergoth | codemnky: i use it as a pda as well as a handheld computer. course i use the backup app constantly because my unit is so dynamic, often flashed |
| 14:38:44 | codemnky | heh, i have a problem with organization |
| 14:38:46 | ljp | gconv is not on the Sharp rom.. |
| 14:38:52 | kergoth | ljp: i know. |
| 14:38:55 | kergoth | ljp: :-) |
| 14:39:02 | kergoth | I'll move it to a seperate package. |
| 14:39:06 | ljp | I was telling hunger |
| 14:39:31 | kergoth | ah, gotcha |
| 14:39:45 | | whardier was last seen on #zaurus 17 hours, 36 minutes and 53 seconds ago, saying: fuck [Wed May 8 22:02:52 2002] |
| 14:39:45 | codemnky | ibot seen whardier |
| 14:39:51 | kergoth | I need more caffeine |
| 14:39:52 | kergoth | heh |
| 14:40:23 | codemnky | the #1 drug on the planet |
| 14:40:44 | codemnky | mmm |
| 14:41:02 | hunger | ljp: I wouldn't call my data important either. But then I got the Z to develop on/with it, not to use it as a PDA. That's just an added bonus. |
| 14:41:40 | hunger | ljp: But I guess corparate customers will want good syncing, and timekeeping apps. |
| 14:42:07 | ljp | ya.. not games.. |
| 14:42:35 | Fluxwerk | games are as important as apps |
| 14:42:39 | kergoth | hmm |
| 14:42:39 | kergoth | wtf |
| 14:42:46 | kergoth | /var/autofs/net, /var/autofs/misc |
| 14:42:50 | hunger | ljp: Well, the users want games, not the decissionmakers shelling out money for the PDAs;-) |
| 14:42:53 | Fluxwerk | but apps arewhat sell the unit initally |
| 14:42:54 | kergoth | does the sharp rom even use the automounter? |
| 14:42:57 | JasonNJ | morning |
| 14:43:00 | kergoth | hey jason |
| 14:43:00 | ljp | Flux: to some people |
| 14:43:05 | JasonNJ | kergoth: any more movement on the socket thing? |
| 14:43:20 | codemnky | the Z would be a good device to sell to a specific type of business with a special app to help run the business |
| 14:43:26 | kergoth | JasonNJ: not really.. I dont know what to do, because the module still loads flawlessly here |
| 14:43:44 | kergoth | JasonNJ: can you revamp the behavior your'e seeing? |
| 14:43:51 | kergoth | codemnky: yes, its good for niche apps |
| 14:44:25 | codemnky | talk to you guys later |
| 14:45:34 | ljp | hunger: but Sharp is targeting the corporate users with bigga bucks, that want office type of apps, |
| 14:45:55 | hunger | ljp: That's what I said:-) |
| 14:46:12 | Rince | likes the Z. is there a barcode Reader in CF-Format so I can inventory all my Books, CDs and DVDs with it? :-) |
| 14:46:13 | hunger | ljp: But I doubt that the software is good enough for that market. |
| 14:46:42 | ljp | not yet... they need to hire a bunch of software developers |
| 14:47:15 | kergoth | well lineo was supposed to be doing that.. or trolltech.. |
| 14:47:54 | hunger | ljp: Let's just hope Sharp does not ruin it's image before the updated apps are out. |
| 14:47:57 | ljp | heh.. ya, but how many developers are willing/able to relocate to frickin' Norway? |
| 14:48:06 | kergoth | hehe |
| 14:48:32 | ljp | if TT would allow telecommuting, they'd get better developers |
| 14:48:45 | kergoth | hunger: I dont think they will.. maybe for a few customers, but most companies realize that this is really their first entrance into this market. it'll be a while to get things smooth |
| 14:48:47 | kergoth | ljp: yeah |
| 14:48:51 | ljp | and Lineo's not really in a position to hire.. |
| 14:49:00 | kergoth | hehe |
| 14:49:08 | kergoth | poor guys. |
| 14:49:14 | kergoth | stupid management scuks |
| 14:49:22 | JasonNJ | kergoth I still get undefined symbols when the driver loads when I insert the card |
| 14:49:25 | ljp | hehe yep |
| 14:49:41 | kergoth | JasonNJ: did you ever try doing a modprobe spectrum_cs from the command line? |
| 14:50:08 | ljp | so that basically leaves Sharp outsourcing their qpe development to developers in Norway |
| 14:50:17 | kergoth | yep |
| 14:50:53 | ljp | Opie, LLC |
| 14:51:00 | ljp | hehehe |
| 14:51:04 | kergoth | heheh |
| 14:52:28 | JasonNJ | like 8 unresolved symbol errors |
| 14:52:33 | ljp | my Grandma used to tell me, "Don't keep all your eggs in one basket" |
| 14:53:20 | kergoth | JasonNJ: doing a modprobe? it works flawlessly for ljp and i.. run depmod -a && modprobe spectrum_cs |
| 14:54:29 | JasonNJ | yes doing a modprobe |
| 14:54:34 | kergoth | hmm. |
| 14:54:53 | JasonNJ | but does ljp actually HAVE a card? |
| 14:54:55 | kergoth | you upgraded kernel-modules and installed socketspecdriver version 1.0oz-1? do ipkg info socketspecdriver |
| 14:55:17 | kergoth | JasonNJ: email me the 8 unresolved symbols please :-) then ill know what we're dealing with |
| 14:55:37 | ljp | no, ljp does not have a spectrum_cs card |
| 14:55:50 | JasonNJ | socketspecdriver is 1.1oz-1 |
| 14:56:02 | kergoth | shouldnt matter though. unresolved symbols occur on module load. |
| 14:56:05 | kergoth | but who knows. |
| 14:56:25 | JasonNJ | how do I send debug output? |
| 14:56:30 | JasonNJ | turn on the logs? |
| 14:56:36 | JasonNJ | send you the logfile? |
| 14:56:46 | kergoth | yeah thatll work. syslogd & klogd and send messages |
| 14:56:53 | JasonNJ | wheres the file |
| 14:56:53 | kergoth | you could also.. do a .. |
| 14:57:04 | kergoth | /etc/pcmcia/wireless stop eth0 && /etc/pcmcia/wireless start eth0 debug |
| 14:57:13 | kergoth | see if that dumps anything useful |
| 14:57:33 | kergoth | JasonNJ: also, send me the output of cardctl ident .. and your wireless.opts |
| 14:57:39 | JasonNJ | where is the logfile located |
| 14:57:45 | kergoth | /var/log/messages |
| 14:57:52 | JasonNJ | ok I'll send all those over. |
| 14:57:56 | kergoth | great |
| 14:58:20 | kergoth | this one one of the real annoying last bugs.. just about everything is going well.. I'd like to get the prism2 drivers converted to wireless instead of wlan-ng once this works |
| 14:59:20 | kergoth | JasonNJ: got any other bug reports for me yet? :-) |
| 15:01:52 | Twiun | Hey Jason |
| 15:02:04 | kergoth | hey tux_mike |
| 15:02:07 | tux_mike | hey |
| 15:02:07 | kergoth | sup Twiun |
| 15:02:23 | tux_mike | kergoth: how soothly is b9 running? |
| 15:02:24 | Twiun | kergoth: the usual... dreary work ;-) |
| 15:04:05 | bipolar | W00T |
| 15:04:10 | bipolar | I got usbdnet to load! |
| 15:04:12 | bipolar | yay |
| 15:04:24 | tux_mike | congrats bipolar |
| 15:04:30 | ljp | what did you do? |
| 15:04:32 | bipolar | just a warning about echo_tx now |
| 15:04:55 | bipolar | ljp: I rebuilt the entire kernel from redhats source patched with the usbdnet patch |
| 15:05:12 | bipolar | now I'll see if it works. ;) |
| 15:06:20 | ljp | heheh that parts tricky also |
| 15:07:46 | tux_mike | i assume by now everyone's heard about the lower amount of competition |
| 15:08:09 | bipolar | yep |
| 15:08:15 | bipolar | no more Jordana |
| 15:08:31 | bipolar | but "the HP iPaq" just sounds funny |
| 15:08:32 | tux_mike | never really liked the jornada PPCs |
| 15:08:36 | tux_mike | true that |
| 15:14:08 | bipolar | woot |
| 15:14:20 | ljp | how about HPaq? |
| 15:14:38 | ljp | or HiPaq |
| 15:15:30 | hunger | HiPiPaq... sounds not too nice in german:-) |
| 15:15:37 | bipolar | I can ping my zaurus! |
| 15:15:41 | bipolar | yaya! |
| 15:15:54 | kergoth | bipolar: congrats |
| 15:16:35 | kergoth | hey mark, mspin |
| 15:17:10 | bipolar | ssh is up. awesome |
| 15:17:22 | bipolar | now I can start loading new packages. finaly. |
| 15:17:45 | bipolar | kergoth: did you see what I had to do to get it running? |
| 15:17:48 | kergoth | nope |
| 15:18:07 | ljp | bbl |
| 15:18:11 | bipolar | kergoth: I had to patch the kernel source and rebuild the ENTIRE kernel and modules togethe |
| 15:18:14 | kergoth | built a new kernel? thatd do it. because then the kernel would match the sources config |
| 15:18:15 | kergoth | hah |
| 15:18:17 | kergoth | yep |
| 15:18:17 | kergoth | figured |
| 15:18:24 | bipolar | stupid config |
| 15:18:36 | bipolar | but i'm happy now becouse it works. ;) |
| 15:18:44 | kergoth | good good |
| 15:20:53 | JasonNJ | kergoth check your email |
| 15:21:01 | JasonNJ | btw I am noticing something very weird with the SD stuff. |
| 15:21:29 | JasonNJ | it seems like if you pull the sd card out, the last write that you do to the SD card gets zeroed out |
| 15:22:05 | JasonNJ | when I copied my wireless.opts to /mnt/card and then pulled the card out, the file reported zero bytes when I put it in another z |
| 15:22:35 | JasonNJ | but then when I did the copy again, and then cat'ed the file it was ok |
| 15:22:40 | JasonNJ | until I pulled the card out |
| 15:22:59 | JasonNJ | then, I did the above but then copied wireless.opts on /mnt/card to wireless.bak on teh card |
| 15:23:15 | JasonNJ | and then when I pulled the card out, wireless.opts was ok but wireless.bak was zeroed out |
| 15:23:16 | JasonNJ | very weird |
| 15:24:22 | Twiun | sounds like something's not getting flushed |
| 15:26:30 | Twiun | JasonNJ: Did you get my fix email? |
| 15:27:13 | JasonNJ | yes, it was very helpful, thanks |
| 15:27:20 | JasonNJ | I just sent you another one... |
| 15:29:08 | tux_mike | hey warmi |
| 15:29:12 | warmi | hi |
| 15:29:44 | kergoth | JasonNJ: sounds like you didnt hit eject in the sd applet before removing the card |
| 15:29:47 | kergoth | hey warmi |
| 15:29:51 | mark | kergoth, bipolar: hi |
| 15:30:00 | mark | hi warmi |
| 15:30:15 | kergoth | mark: i just updated libc6.. lmao |
| 15:30:17 | bipolar | mark: hello |
| 15:30:19 | kergoth | mark: :-P |
| 15:30:23 | mark | kergoth: argh! |
| 15:30:49 | mark | kergoth: oh well, I presume you fixed ipkg/c at the same time to deal with it.... :P |
| 15:30:55 | kergoth | mark: hehe. i slimmed it down.. removed /usr/lib/gconv.. which isnt in the sharp roms.. its like 4.5 megs less |
| 15:30:55 | JasonNJ | kergoth: what does eject actually do, just a umount? |
| 15:31:01 | kergoth | JasonNJ: yep |
| 15:31:19 | kergoth | JasonNJ: and umount flushes all buffers |
| 15:31:49 | JasonNJ | yeah, never happened before when I just pop the card out |
| 15:31:57 | JasonNJ | guess theres always a first time |
| 15:31:59 | mark | kergoth: shit, you make me want to upgrade :) |
| 15:32:07 | kergoth | heheh |
| 15:32:11 | kergoth | the rootfs was so full.. |
| 15:32:13 | mark | yeah |
| 15:32:14 | W|GGL|T | is back (gone 08:24:07) |
| 15:32:14 | kergoth | i had to figure out why |
| 15:32:21 | JasonNJ | kergoth I sent you those logs |
| 15:32:22 | kergoth | I still have about 150k worth of libs that we dont need.. |
| 15:32:35 | kergoth | JasonNJ: yep, havent gotten them yet.. but i'll dig into it when they arrive |
| 15:32:53 | mark | kergoth: did you manage to upgrade it with ipkg/c? |
| 15:33:04 | kergoth | mark: I'm about to try. wish me luck |
| 15:33:07 | Twiun | JasonNJ: Someone got back to be from the dev newsletter... could I have a copy of it? |
| 15:33:26 | mark | kergoth: you need it :) |
| 15:35:44 | kergoth | dare i try it in oipkg? |
| 15:35:48 | kergoth | lol |
| 15:37:47 | JasonNJ | Twiun[Zzzzz]: you didnt get the dev newsletter? |
| 15:38:01 | kergoth | never gets the dev newsletter. sniffle |
| 15:38:10 | mark | kergoth: hehe |
| 15:38:14 | JasonNJ | well, dang subscribe then |
| 15:38:18 | kergoth | hehe |
| 15:38:18 | mark | kergoth: no, ;P |
| 15:38:30 | kergoth | mark: i almost installed libc6 to mtdram |
| 15:38:31 | kergoth | shudders |
| 15:38:36 | mark | LOL |
| 15:38:57 | mark | kergoth: btw, the oipkg in feed/3.0/old - does that need to be run from the console or it o kay from the launcher? |
| 15:39:07 | kergoth | mark: should be fine from the launcher iirc |
| 15:39:28 | Twiun | JasonNJ: It doesn't look like it, I got the one ages ago with kergoth's stuff in it |
| 15:40:15 | kergoth | upgrades libc6 with oipkg and waits for his Z to blow up |
| 15:40:49 | kergoth | mark |
| 15:40:51 | kergoth | it workked |
| 15:40:57 | kergoth | i uupgraded libc from oipkg |
| 15:40:58 | kergoth | :-) |
| 15:41:00 | mark | wow |
| 15:41:08 | mark | the one in 'old' |
| 15:41:09 | mark | ? |
| 15:41:11 | kergoth | no! |
| 15:41:15 | kergoth | dodged a bullet |
| 15:41:31 | mark | kergoth: confused.... |
| 15:42:03 | kergoth | figure of speech. almost died, but didnt |
| 15:42:12 | kergoth | took an unnecessary risk and made it out alive |
| 15:42:14 | kergoth | heheh |
| 15:42:17 | mark | heh |
| 15:42:29 | mark | so that is the current oipkg from the feed? |
| 15:42:57 | kergoth | eah |
| 15:42:58 | kergoth | yeah |
| 15:43:04 | kergoth | 'the old one shuld work fine too |
| 15:43:18 | kergoth | as long as you switch your dest to root, then EXIT, then re-run oipkg and upgrdae libc |
| 15:43:31 | mark | k |
| 15:43:53 | kergoth | hold on |
| 15:43:55 | kergoth | i need to update the feed |
| 15:44:00 | mark | okay |
| 15:46:14 | kergoth | k its updated. |
| 15:46:55 | Fluxwerk | hates intel |
| 15:48:40 | JasonNJ | Fluxwerk: be it as it may, the current crop of athlons are really buggy |
| 15:49:06 | Fluxwerk | I work at an intel house |
| 15:49:15 | Fluxwerk | thier boards always need this goofy custom shit |
| 15:49:20 | JasonNJ | I'm a big AMD proponent, but man can those motherboards be flaky |
| 15:49:25 | JasonNJ | especially the SMP stuff |
| 15:54:34 | mark | kergoth: why has the feed package suddenly got to small? |
| 15:57:12 | kergoth | mark: hm? i told you, i removed 4.5 megs of unnecessary files from libc6. |
| 15:57:23 | NeoTron | morning |
| 15:57:26 | kergoth | hey neo |
| 15:57:32 | NeoTron | is back (gone 09:05:13) |
| 15:57:50 | mark | kergoth: I mean the Package file, its gone from about 1Meg to 48k. just wondering.... |
| 15:58:05 | kergoth | mark: ah.. it was gaining duplicate entreis |
| 15:58:18 | kergoth | mark: i forgot that my packages creation script doesnt wipe the existing one.. it was appending! |
| 15:58:19 | kergoth | mark: lol |
| 15:58:29 | mark | kergoth: h ehe |
| 15:58:49 | kergoth | mark: man with 4.5 megs of extra space i can actually preinstall useful apps |
| 15:58:52 | kergoth | mark: :-) |
| 15:59:03 | mark | kergoth: yey :) |
| 15:59:25 | mark | kergoth: its removed 'obsolesced' files, don't know what the ipkg upgrade is doing now... |
| 15:59:31 | kergoth | good |
| 15:59:34 | kergoth | itll finish soon |
| 16:00:08 | kergoth | anyone know if the sharp rom actually uses the automounter it has installed? |
| 16:00:53 | mark | kergoth: hope so |
| 16:02:18 | kergoth | JasonNJ: i'm going through your logs now |
| 16:03:18 | kergoth | hey fusion94 |
| 16:03:38 | fusion94 | morning |
| 16:04:45 | mark | kergoth: nope, its crashed |
| 16:05:51 | kergoth | mark: thats insanity. it works flawless here |
| 16:05:51 | fusion94 | kergoth: brb gotta restart x |
| 16:05:55 | kergoth | mark: weird |
| 16:06:28 | mark | kergoth: completely frozen |
| 16:06:40 | kergoth | what the fuck.. you installed from console or from oipkg? |
| 16:07:01 | mark | console, thought it was safer |
| 16:07:09 | kergoth | hmm weird |
| 16:07:14 | mark | knowing the problems I've had |
| 16:07:23 | kergoth | hitting enter doesnt do anything? i.e. drop a linefeed.. |
| 16:07:33 | mark | nope |
| 16:07:37 | mark | that is my usual test of crashing |
| 16:07:37 | kergoth | weird |
| 16:07:38 | mark | :) |
| 16:07:46 | mark | that and pinging |
| 16:07:48 | kergoth | mark: it wont respond to anything for a bit.. |
| 16:07:49 | fusion94 | damn kvm |
| 16:07:52 | kergoth | mark: it wont ping? fuck |
| 16:07:54 | kergoth | fusion94: heh |
| 16:08:10 | fusion94 | started ghosting on me really really badly |
| 16:08:17 | fusion94 | i was seeing 5 of everything |
| 16:08:36 | kergoth | mark: k next time screw the upgrade. rm -rf /usr/lib/gconv. :-) |
| 16:08:49 | mark | kergoth: /usr/lib/gconv has gone, although I only have 2.5Meg space |
| 16:09:10 | kergoth | yeah its due to compression |
| 16:09:31 | kergoth | it frees less than youd expect because they were compressed in the filesystem |
| 16:09:33 | kergoth | but its something anyway |
| 16:09:41 | mark | oh right |
| 16:10:30 | mark | and now bus errors again loading qpe :) |
| 16:10:39 | kergoth | hah |
| 16:10:41 | kergoth | fucked up |
| 16:10:47 | kergoth | its just you man :-P |
| 16:11:13 | kergoth | hunger: feeling dangerous? want to try to upgrade your libc6 with ipkg/C in oz? |
| 16:11:16 | kergoth | heheh |
| 16:11:24 | mark | kergoth: /me reflashes. again. |
| 16:11:47 | kergoth | which is nuts.. because you should never have to flash oz |
| 16:11:49 | hunger | kergoth: I allready did I think:-) |
| 16:11:51 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:12:09 | kergoth | hunger: really? try the latest.. revision 7,. it removes /usr/lib/gconv |
| 16:12:19 | kergoth | hunger: marks went toast when he tried.. mine worked. weird. |
| 16:12:27 | mark | kergoth: heh, i've done it, erm about 5 time sin the last week? :) |
| 16:12:32 | kergoth | hehe |
| 16:12:36 | kergoth | something like that |
| 16:12:49 | kergoth | for once i havent flashed since the final test of b9 |
| 16:12:57 | kergoth | feels wierd actually retaining data on the thing |
| 16:13:01 | mark | i reckon i could do the C+D, routine with my eyes shut |
| 16:13:03 | mark | kergoth: hehe |
| 16:13:48 | kergoth | JasonNJ: this is absolutely INSANE |
| 16:14:05 | fusion94 | kergoth: insane in the membrane ? |
| 16:14:08 | kergoth | JasonNJ: orinoco.o defines orinoco_shutdown.. and it modprobes it before spectrum_cs.. but it still cant resolve orinoco_shutdown |
| 16:14:11 | kergoth | fusion94: yes! :-) |
| 16:14:22 | fusion94 | kergoth: excellent |
| 16:15:05 | kergoth | man i love nm |
| 16:15:10 | kergoth | so helpful |
| 16:16:14 | mark | kergoth: i'm gonna get /root stored on cf, so I don't loose everything on reflash.. |
| 16:16:31 | kergoth | ln is your friend |
| 16:16:44 | mark | as ever |
| 16:16:52 | kergoth | mark: or just use ben's backup app regularly :-) |
| 16:17:17 | kergoth | we need a gui app to move your settings and documents to alternate locations for end users |
| 16:17:22 | mark | heh, me and backup returns FALSE |
| 16:17:24 | hunger | kergoth: It worked, but it went not as smooth as it should have. |
| 16:17:30 | kergoth | mark: hehe |
| 16:17:37 | kergoth | hunger: how so? |
| 16:18:03 | hunger | kergoth: the termainal starts up only each 3rd time now, drawpad not at all. |
| 16:18:13 | kergoth | er |
| 16:18:15 | JasonNJ | kergoth: any idea of why this weird stuff is happening |
| 16:18:29 | kergoth | JasonNJ: no.. its insane.. it should modprobe flawlessly... grr |
| 16:18:33 | kergoth | JasonNJ: you're behind a firewall eh? |
| 16:18:40 | JasonNJ | yes |
| 16:18:44 | kergoth | damn |
| 16:18:58 | hunger | kergoth: The clock still falls back to UTC all the time. |
| 16:19:00 | kergoth | hunger: hm... drawpad works fine here.. |
| 16:19:16 | kergoth | hunger: did you upgrade your oz-base and utli-linux-hwclock to latest? |
| 16:19:24 | hunger | kergoth: It's marked to be brokenish in opie-qipkg. |
| 16:19:34 | kergoth | ? |
| 16:19:37 | hunger | kergoth: I have two opie-package managers now... |
| 16:19:38 | JasonNJ | you know I never upgraded the hwclock. |
| 16:19:48 | JasonNJ | would that cause it? |
| 16:20:35 | kergoth | hunger: hah |
| 16:20:38 | kergoth | JasonNJ: hmm |
| 16:20:48 | kergoth | JasonNJ: shouldnt no, that just causes you to lose your clock settings on reboot |
| 16:20:58 | JasonNJ | I did upgrade the modules |
| 16:21:01 | NeoTron | is away: work |
| 16:21:03 | kergoth | good. |
| 16:21:06 | JasonNJ | what modules should I have? |
| 16:21:11 | JasonNJ | what version |
| 16:21:18 | Rince | has been able now to connect his Z directly to the internet, yeah! |
| 16:21:37 | kergoth | JasonNJ: 2.4.6-rmk1-np2-embedix-20011228-2 |
| 16:21:50 | JasonNJ | how do I query that again |
| 16:21:54 | hunger | kergoth: Oh, ipkg failed to upgrade oz-base once more. |
| 16:21:56 | kergoth | ipkg info kernel-modules |
| 16:22:05 | kergoth | hunger: err.. it worked fine here.. |
| 16:22:12 | kergoth | is confused. |
| 16:22:23 | hunger | kergoth: Complained that it was about to overwrite /etc/modules.conf. |
| 16:22:39 | hunger | kergoth: I had that file allready:-) |
| 16:22:40 | JasonNJ | kernel modules is the right version. |
| 16:22:56 | kergoth | hunger: ah.. isnt that a conffile? |
| 16:23:03 | kergoth | JasonNJ: k good. hmm |
| 16:23:16 | hunger | kergoth: Doesen't look like. |
| 16:23:28 | kergoth | hunger: k, ill fix.. grr |
| 16:24:00 | hunger | kergoth: drawpad is still broken, terminal works again after the oz-base upgrade. |
| 16:24:07 | hunger | wonders about that for a bit. |
| 16:24:59 | hunger | kergoth: Could you add diff while you are at it? Upgrading conffiles is a pain without. |
| 16:25:11 | JasonNJ | man I cant beleive these microsoft ultimatetv receivers are going for 100 bucks after rebate now |
| 16:25:21 | JasonNJ | I just bought 2 more of em |
| 16:25:22 | kergoth | hunger: get rev 4f of oz-base .. fixed the modules.conf thing |
| 16:25:31 | kergoth | JasonNJ: damn |
| 16:25:33 | JasonNJ | gonna hack em both and throw in bigger hard disks |
| 16:25:38 | JasonNJ | the tivos are almost as cheap |
| 16:26:43 | kergoth | i still dont have a pvr. should pick one of those up |
| 16:27:12 | kergoth | JasonNJ: drop to a console.. run lsmod.. make sure orinoco is loaded. if not, modprobe it in.. then lsmod, verify its there.. and finally modprobe spectrum_cs |
| 16:27:45 | JasonNJ | with the card popped in? |
| 16:27:51 | kergoth | doesnt matter |
| 16:28:00 | kergoth | up to you |
| 16:28:41 | JasonNJ | I get all those unresolved symbols |
| 16:28:45 | JasonNJ | if I do it with the card in |
| 16:28:58 | kergoth | what about with the card o ut? |
| 16:30:02 | JasonNJ | same deal |
| 16:30:07 | kergoth | hunger, roge99_away, ljp, mark: anyone verified that the new dhcpcd works properly after reboot? |
| 16:30:14 | JasonNJ | but I have to modprobe orinoco first |
| 16:30:17 | JasonNJ | obviously |
| 16:30:20 | kergoth | JasonNJ: this is absolute insanity! it works here |
| 16:30:22 | kergoth | JasonNJ: arghhhh |
| 16:30:37 | ljp | I haven't used dhcp |
| 16:30:38 | mark | kergoth: nope, i dont use dhcpd |
| 16:30:39 | JasonNJ | let me try and download the driver again |
| 16:30:40 | BigBoss | hey all |
| 16:30:48 | JasonNJ | just to check to see my binaries arent hosed. |
| 16:30:53 | kergoth | JasonNJ: rmmod hermes, orinoco, and spectrum_cs.. then depmod -a and try to modprobe again |
| 16:30:54 | kergoth | JasonNJ: good idea |
| 16:31:51 | mark | kergoth: and its now crashed upgrading kernel-mdoules |
| 16:32:16 | kergoth | mark: err.. jason and hunger and i all upgraded that w/o a prob... wtf/ |
| 16:32:26 | kergoth | grrr! |
| 16:32:38 | mark | wonders if his Z has a hardware fault |
| 16:32:47 | kergoth | mark's Z is exploding. jason's modules wont load but they work elsewhere. |
| 16:32:58 | kergoth | one of those days. |
| 16:33:00 | kergoth | heheh |
| 16:33:19 | mark | so was yesterday :) |
| 16:33:29 | kergoth | indeed |
| 16:34:12 | hunger | kergoth: My Z is up to date wrt. the feed. |
| 16:34:37 | kergoth | hunger: okay. now what behaviors are you seeing? |
| 16:35:09 | Rince | :-) |
| 16:35:50 | JasonNJ | redoiwnloaded and re installed the drivers, same deal |
| 16:36:12 | hunger | kergoth: The termiinal is still broken, starts only each 3rd time. |
| 16:36:18 | hunger | kergoth: drawpad is broken. |
| 16:36:30 | kergoth | hunger: it works flawlessly here |
| 16:36:35 | kergoth | JasonNJ: it works flawlessly here |
| 16:36:37 | kergoth | shoots self |
| 16:37:06 | JasonNJ | now, all you did was repackage ben's ipkg right |
| 16:37:18 | mark | looks for a new oz maintainer |
| 16:37:19 | kergoth | yep precisely. |
| 16:37:27 | kergoth | shoots mark |
| 16:38:08 | mark | help! kergoth is on a killing spree |
| 16:38:08 | JasonNJ | when I install socketspecdriver I get an error about card services release doesnt match |
| 16:38:31 | kergoth | JasonNJ: harmless |
| 16:38:32 | hunger | kergoth: Drawpad works again. removed/installed it. |
| 16:38:42 | kergoth | hunger: lol |
| 16:39:07 | hunger | kergoth: This starts to smell like windows! Terminal is fixed too. |
| 16:39:15 | JasonNJ | kergoth: have we tried building the drivers from source yet |
| 16:39:15 | kergoth | hah |
| 16:39:19 | fusion94 | JasonNJ: http://butterfly.net |
| 16:39:26 | kergoth | JasonNJ: no, because i havent added orinoco_cs to the system yet |
| 16:39:31 | hunger | kergoth: IRDA looks still broken. |
| 16:39:43 | hunger | kergoth: busybox does not provide gzip yet. |
| 16:40:00 | JasonNJ | fusion94: sounds cool |
| 16:40:02 | mark | kergoth: does kernel-modules need forcing in? |
| 16:40:07 | hunger | kergoth: ...so the pdf-reader keeps complaining. |
| 16:40:21 | hunger | kergoth: diff is missing. |
| 16:40:23 | nasa | hey kergoth: I got the sd/mmc card to work. |
| 16:40:32 | nasa | but software still doesn't install |
| 16:40:43 | hunger | kergoth: The Terminal (in QPE) ignores .profile. |
| 16:41:00 | kergoth | hunger: known bug, go look at SF. :-P |
| 16:41:16 | mark | heh, kergoth must love this constant stream of bugreports |
| 16:41:24 | JasonNJ | kergoth: how is my system any different from yours.. I use kernel beta 7 with 32/32 split, initrd beta 9 and the new modules... |
| 16:41:31 | ljp | hunger: thats not terminal problem, it sh, or bash's problem |
| 16:41:36 | hunger | kergoth: The clock still falls back to UTC after each resume. |
| 16:41:37 | mark | Package kernel-modules wants to install file /lib/modules/2.4.6-rmk1-np2-embedix/pcmcia/wavelan_cs.o |
| 16:41:37 | mark | But that file is already provided by package <no package> |
| 16:41:50 | kergoth | mark: no package? lol |
| 16:42:06 | kergoth | mark: rm that file, then install |
| 16:42:07 | nasa | So the question is -- why don't packages install? |
| 16:42:14 | hunger | kergoth: You should only install one GUI ipkg IMHO. |
| 16:42:15 | mark | kergoth: how to force ipkg into it? |
| 16:42:20 | kergoth | nasa: they do.. its user error, i'll debug shortly |
| 16:42:24 | mark | kergoth: its doing it for all my kernel modules |
| 16:42:24 | kergoth | hunger: theres only one installed by default. |
| 16:42:28 | ljp | hunger: install the util-linux-hwclock package from the feed |
| 16:42:31 | kergoth | mark: then wipe them |
| 16:42:32 | hunger | kergoth: That's about it:-) |
| 16:42:33 | mark | kergoth: i dont want to go deleting them all... |
| 16:42:35 | nasa | Ok |
| 16:42:36 | hunger | ljp: I did. |
| 16:42:46 | ljp | cause its working here |
| 16:42:51 | kergoth | mark: rm -rf /lib/modules && ipkg install kernel-modules |
| 16:43:23 | mark | kergoth: k, i was thinking that that would break things, sorry |
| 16:43:34 | kergoth | not a problem |
| 16:43:37 | kergoth | has a headache |
| 16:43:45 | JasonNJ | kergoth this is freakin weird man |
| 16:43:54 | JasonNJ | now, my 5500 is not a production unit. |
| 16:43:54 | kergoth | i know.. let me reflash and start fresh |
| 16:43:57 | hunger | kergoth: I definitly did not install any one myself! And I had opie-qipkg and opiq-oipkg installed after ipkg upgrade. |
| 16:44:01 | JasonNJ | I can try it with a production unit. |
| 16:44:13 | kergoth | hunger: yes, you had task-opie installed didnt you? task-opie still depends on qipkg |
| 16:44:31 | JasonNJ | no wait, the one I tested on WAS a production unit. |
| 16:44:39 | JasonNJ | my other unit is not. |
| 16:44:47 | kergoth | ugh cant i have just a little consistency |
| 16:44:52 | kergoth | shit works for some people, not for others |
| 16:44:53 | kergoth | hehe |
| 16:44:56 | hunger | kergoth: Possible... I did not install that either;-) |
| 16:45:16 | JasonNJ | kergoth how many other packages are upgraded on your unit |
| 16:45:28 | JasonNJ | I am just using the default beta 9 initrd with nothing else besides the modules |
| 16:45:31 | kergoth | JasonNJ: my unit was a couple packages behind the feed |
| 16:45:36 | kergoth | JasonNJ: hold, i'll test your environment exactly |
| 16:48:42 | kergoth | hunger: its UTC=no in /etc/default/rcS ? and /etc/rc6.d/*hwclock.sh exists? |
| 16:49:21 | hunger | kergoth: Yes. |
| 16:49:48 | kergoth | hunger: grr |
| 16:50:00 | kergoth | flashes his Z with a stock 40-24 (b7) + b9 initrd |
| 16:50:08 | hunger | kergoth: I didn't try a reboot, but I see the fallback-to-UTC on each suspend/resume. |
| 16:50:12 | JasonNJ | I'm using 32/32 |
| 16:50:16 | JasonNJ | as if that should really matter |
| 16:50:25 | kergoth | hehe |
| 16:50:34 | kergoth | hunger; hmm, mine has never lost on suspend.. weird |
| 16:50:53 | kergoth | hunger: any messages in syslog regarding it on suspend? |
| 16:51:06 | hunger | kergoth: Let me reboot... maybe that's gone afterwards. |
| 16:52:06 | kergoth | k |
| 16:52:29 | kergoth | hunger: i dont think time is being saved to the hardware clock on suspend atm.. since we dont have apmd running to run the scripts.. |
| 16:52:36 | hunger | kergoth: Reboot is fine. |
| 16:52:43 | kergoth | hunger: so you may have t o reboot to effect the save |
| 16:52:45 | kergoth | ah |
| 16:52:47 | hunger | kergoth: Suypend/resume still resets to UTC. |
| 16:52:57 | kergoth | doesnt on mine.. |
| 16:52:58 | kergoth | goddamnit |
| 16:53:06 | kergoth | well let me test my freshly flashed Z |
| 16:53:45 | JasonNJ | opie was updated on may 8? |
| 16:54:19 | kergoth | ? |
| 16:54:26 | JasonNJ | just looking at the ipaq feed |
| 16:54:33 | kergoth | ah |
| 16:54:37 | kergoth | yeah I updated the feed yesterday |
| 16:56:07 | nasa | kergoth: I will be right back |
| 16:59:12 | JasonNJ | kergoth: you able to duplicate the problem yet |
| 16:59:16 | nasa | back |
| 16:59:37 | kergoth | JasonNJ: working on it. updating kernel-modules atm |
| 16:59:44 | treke | I'm just curious, why does openzaurus need a different feed from the ipaq? |
| 17:00:10 | treke | er wrong channel |
| 17:00:22 | kergoth | treke: because there are compile time defines that are different from the ipaq. |
| 17:01:19 | JasonNJ | gonna go grab a sandwich |
| 17:01:24 | JasonNJ | be back in like 15mins |
| 17:01:26 | kergoth | k |
| 17:01:53 | treke | kergoth: Is it differences in opie or the qt embedded? (just wondering if there's anyway to merge the two) |
| 17:02:05 | kergoth | treke: qt embedded is different, as so is opie |
| 17:02:13 | treke | ah |
| 17:02:33 | kergoth | treke: opie's touchclick/screenclick/alarm sounds for example use a certain zaurus driver interface |
| 17:02:50 | treke | ah. its the hardware differences |
| 17:02:54 | kergoth | yep |
| 17:02:57 | hunger | kergoth: The touchscreen is capsulated in QT/emb. |
| 17:03:02 | kergoth | hunger: i know |
| 17:03:13 | kergoth | hunger: i was referring to the touchclick sounds |
| 17:03:40 | hunger | kergoth: Dunno about the sound, but I guess it's the same there. Or I could not use the stuff from the ipaq feed as I did when I still was on the Sharp ROMs. |
| 17:03:46 | ljp | the differences are #ifdefined throughout qte and qpe |
| 17:03:57 | kergoth | yep |
| 17:04:20 | hunger | But the apps should be the same? |
| 17:06:49 | Twiun | Off home... bbl |
| 17:07:02 | kergoth | JasonNJ: 1) flashed 2) ipkg install kernel-modules* 3) ipkg install socketspecdriver*1.0oz-1* 4) modprobe spectrum_cs 5) no errors outputted, module loaded. |
| 17:08:54 | ljp | hunger: basically yes.. but there are a few apps that have differences between the Z and the ipaq |
| 17:11:18 | treke | maybe with time it'll improve |
| 17:11:57 | hunger | mumbles about poor design in QPE. |
| 17:12:17 | ljp | poor design? in whatway? |
| 17:12:31 | Neo|Work | is back (gone 16:13:38) |
| 17:12:53 | JasonNJ | kergoth: any luck |
| 17:13:04 | kergoth | <kergoth> JasonNJ: 1) flashed 2) ipkg install kernel-modules* 3) ipkg install socketspecdriver*1.0oz-1* 4) modprobe spectrum_cs 5) no errors outputted, module loaded. |
| 17:13:17 | JasonNJ | shit. |
| 17:13:23 | kergoth | fucked up |
| 17:13:26 | JasonNJ | well I suppose I can flash again. |
| 17:13:56 | JasonNJ | how do I verify I am on beta 9 |
| 17:14:20 | kergoth | right now there's no versioning system.. that was farther down my todo list |
| 17:14:22 | JasonNJ | my qpe has no terminal |
| 17:14:25 | kergoth | ah |
| 17:14:28 | kergoth | then you're on beta9 |
| 17:14:33 | mandrake | JasonNJ: howdy. |
| 17:14:35 | JasonNJ | and jsut has like 2 or 3 pim apps |
| 17:14:40 | JasonNJ | this is really nutty |
| 17:14:47 | kergoth | i know.. |
| 17:14:48 | ljp | hehehe |
| 17:14:50 | kergoth | man, its murphys law |
| 17:14:56 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:15:04 | JasonNJ | what would cause an undefined symbol error anyway |
| 17:15:19 | kergoth | JasonNJ: spectrum_cs uses functions from the orinoco.o driver |
| 17:15:24 | kergoth | JasonNJ: its failing to find those functions |
| 17:15:31 | kergoth | JasonNJ: as though orinoco wasnt modprobed.. but it was |
| 17:15:32 | JasonNJ | I'm gonna switch to your kernel kergoth |
| 17:15:40 | kergoth | JasonNJ: k.. if that was it, i'm going to kill something |
| 17:16:08 | ljp | getting rid of all that gconv stuff sure makes a 'heap' of difference.. pardon the pun |
| 17:16:30 | kergoth | heheh |
| 17:16:36 | kergoth | extra 2.5 megs is nice |
| 17:16:51 | JasonNJ | which is your kernel, 48-16? |
| 17:16:57 | kergoth | 40-24 |
| 17:19:43 | JasonNJ | mandrake: know any whizzbang kernel programmers looking for a job? |
| 17:19:55 | mandrake | JasonNJ: a few. |
| 17:20:03 | mandrake | BUT, I'm going to blackmail you first :) |
| 17:20:20 | MEGASTeP | is back (gone 14:44:58) |
| 17:20:34 | JasonNJ | tell them to send their resumes my way |
| 17:20:55 | JasonNJ | kergoth: I am looking for someone at teh same skill level of bzflag |
| 17:20:59 | Neo|Work | need someone to fix Qtopia? :P |
| 17:21:11 | kergoth | JasonNJ: I figured you would be. I'll keep an eye out also. |
| 17:21:22 | JasonNJ | bzflag is now CTO of Lineo |
| 17:21:25 | JasonNJ | I cant hire him. |
| 17:21:48 | kergoth | oh yeah.. heard about that.. |
| 17:21:51 | JasonNJ | Neo|Work: actually, yes. |
| 17:22:40 | Neo|Work | thought about posting a job opening on monster or thatever |
| 17:22:57 | JasonNJ | I need a kernel guy, a gui guy and a distribution packaging guy and a QA guy. |
| 17:23:23 | ljp | jason: email? |
| 17:23:29 | mark | ljp: hehe |
| 17:23:43 | Neo|Work | I'm sure you have to work/live in an odd place like CA or NJ or so |
| 17:23:49 | JasonNJ | jason@zaurus.com |
| 17:23:56 | ljp | I'm hungry- I'll do anything |
| 17:24:15 | JasonNJ | NJ most likely |
| 17:24:22 | JasonNJ | but I am trying to see if we can do it all in CA. |
| 17:24:32 | ljp | crap... igonre the first one |
| 17:25:53 | Neo|Work | JasonNJ: I figured as much. |
| 17:26:03 | Neo|Work | lives in and is stuck in WA |
| 17:26:11 | | i think scap is http://handhelds.org/scap/ or a CGI application now |
| 17:26:11 | Neo|Work | ibot scap |
| 17:26:16 | kergoth` | stupid net connection dropped off |
| 17:26:21 | kergoth` | i miss anything? |
| 17:26:21 | kergoth` | heh |
| 17:26:22 | ljp | is very movable |
| 17:26:50 | nasa | kergoth: nah, you didn't miss much |
| 17:29:14 | kergoth | heheh |
| 17:29:22 | kergoth | nasa: still having package install difficulties? |
| 17:29:35 | nasa | yeah |
| 17:29:52 | nasa | stupid users.... |
| 17:29:53 | kergoth | nasa: how are you trying to install? form a feed? or clicking on it in the docs tab? or.. |
| 17:29:58 | kergoth | lol |
| 17:30:03 | nasa | in the docs tab |
| 17:30:09 | kergoth | okay its not user error |
| 17:30:12 | kergoth | this is oipkg brokenness |
| 17:30:14 | kergoth | :-) |
| 17:30:20 | kergoth | its all fucked up.. heres what you do.. |
| 17:30:26 | kergoth | are the ipks on your SD card? |
| 17:30:26 | nasa | ok.... |
| 17:30:32 | kergoth | or in /root/Documents? |
| 17:30:39 | nasa | No on my cf card |
| 17:30:47 | kergoth | ah |
| 17:30:49 | kergoth | k do this.. |
| 17:30:54 | kergoth | edit /root/Settings/oipkg.conf |
| 17:30:59 | kergoth | change the Doc Lnk path to /mnt/cf |
| 17:31:12 | kergoth | then run oipkg.. and your ipks on the cf will appear under documents in oipkg |
| 17:31:13 | Neo|Work | So how's the TT contest judging going anyway? |
| 17:31:18 | kergoth | you install them from within oipkg itself. |
| 17:31:34 | nasa | ah, will do |
| 17:32:16 | kergoth | dont forget to go under setup in oipkg and change the default install dstinatiion from root to sd :-) |
| 17:32:23 | kergoth | and check 'link to root destination' |
| 17:33:14 | nasa | got it, trying right now... |
| 17:33:24 | ljp | Neo: you didn;t hear: they canceled the contest due to lack of interest |
| 17:33:34 | kergoth | hah |
| 17:33:52 | ljp | I'd bet arounf May 15 |
| 17:34:08 | treke | lack of interest in paying for the prizes |
| 17:34:16 | ljp | heheheh yep |
| 17:34:30 | ljp | maybe they had to scrounge up the grand prize |
| 17:34:48 | mandrake | or maybe they're just lazy |
| 17:34:58 | mandrake | never account to overwork what can be attributed to laziness |
| 17:35:37 | nasa | how do you get an escape char? |
| 17:35:48 | ljp | maybe they got hanging chads from the vote tally's |
| 17:36:35 | nasa | nm |
| 17:39:38 | kergoth | nasa: any luck on package installs? |
| 17:39:42 | kergoth | JasonNJ: tried that kernel yet? |
| 17:40:03 | nasa | ah not yet -- install software failed to start |
| 17:46:36 | nasa | not sure what the program is doing... Selecting on it highlights it and I get the hour glass, but no app starts and the hour glass goes away |
| 17:52:31 | fusion94 | woah |
| 17:52:45 | fusion94 | Bzflag is CTO of lineo now |
| 17:53:40 | treke | line.com |
| 17:53:45 | mark | kergoth: whole thing crashed again |
| 17:53:51 | ljp | yaaa. what'll happen with Tuxscreen now?! |
| 17:54:44 | nasa | not sure what the program is doing... Selecting on it highlights it and I get the hour glass, but no app starts and the hour glass goes away |
| 17:55:22 | ljp | nasa: what app? |
| 17:55:35 | nasa | hey kergoth: what does oipkg do? I am looking at 'ps aux' and I see some line doing "tar xzf ..." |
| 17:55:42 | nasa | oipkg |
| 17:55:56 | ljp | oipkg runs ipkg |
| 17:56:17 | ljp | it needs some memory work |
| 17:57:00 | BigBoss | so tim bird is out of lineo now? |
| 17:57:30 | fusion94 | guess so |
| 17:57:40 | fusion94 | bzflag is tim riker yes ? |
| 17:58:23 | nasa | Hey, I have to kill oipkg -- it has effectively stopped everything. 'ps aux' put out 1 line ever couple of MINUTES! |
| 17:58:49 | JasonNJ | kergoth: same modules problem |
| 17:59:03 | JasonNJ | bird is gone |
| 18:00:06 | BigBoss | when did that all happen? |
| 18:00:34 | BigBoss | they need to update their offices map :) - most of those are gone now |
| 18:02:18 | BigBoss | looks like Lynux Works is on the ropes as well |
| 18:04:10 | tux_mike | gah |
| 18:04:19 | tux_mike | RMS is such an idiot |
| 18:04:39 | fusion94 | tux_mike: that goes w/o saying |
| 18:04:51 | mark | tux_mike: true, but we have a lot to thank that idiocy for |
| 18:06:10 | BigBoss | so now if he could go off quietly, get married, have kids and work a 9 to 5 job for a few years to taste reality |
| 18:06:21 | BigBoss | it's like congress passing laws and never living under them |
| 18:06:31 | kergoth | re |
| 18:06:46 | kergoth | JasonNJ: gah! did you try running the modprobe from the cmdline immediately after installing |
| 18:06:48 | kergoth | JasonNJ: hmm |
| 18:06:52 | mark | where does he get his living money from atm? |
| 18:06:58 | mark | as in, does any company employ him? |
| 18:07:14 | nasa | hey kergoth: how do I use feeds with the install software? |
| 18:07:27 | treke | mark : Probably paid by the fsf |
| 18:07:31 | tux_mike | mark: yah, but he just doesn't get some things. he wants everyone to recognize GNU and that's just not going to happen |
| 18:07:53 | kergoth | nasa: add the feeds. ipkg update is broken in oipkg.. do it from cmdline |
| 18:08:45 | BigBoss | he gets grants and other speaking fee's and things |
| 18:08:48 | nasa | stupid question coming... Can you use oipkg to install anything? |
| 18:08:54 | BigBoss | but if speech is free, I don't know why he charges :) |
| 18:09:05 | tux_mike | and as long as RMS is associated with the FSF, i will never support it. |
| 18:09:49 | kergoth | nasa: i use it contstantly |
| 18:09:58 | kergoth | nasa: its got quirks.. but i work around them |
| 18:10:12 | nasa | Where do you install from? |
| 18:10:22 | kergoth | nasa: i'd recommend going to http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/old/ and grabbing the latest oipkg you see there. its more stable than the one you're using |
| 18:10:31 | kergoth | nasa: feed, or CF, or /root/Documents |
| 18:11:28 | ljp | kergoth: anyway for you to set oipkg default dest to /mnt/ram after a flash, for the unknowing.. |
| 18:12:12 | kergoth | ljp: was planning on adding app defaaults to the oz packages .. havent gottena round to it |
| 18:19:52 | nasa | kergoth: putting packages into /root/Documents works |
| 18:20:25 | tux_mike | kergoth: how well does OZ 3b9 run? |
| 18:20:42 | kergoth | nasa: i told you to change the doc lnk path.. pfft |
| 18:20:51 | kergoth | tux_mike: getting there. its got some quirks, but its usable. i'm using it now |
| 18:20:58 | nasa | I did -- but the software acted up |
| 18:21:04 | nasa | and I changed it back |
| 18:21:10 | kergoth | nasa: its not acting up |
| 18:21:14 | kergoth | nasa: its taking a long ass time to load |
| 18:21:22 | kergoth | nasa: because its parsing all your ipks on the card |
| 18:21:29 | kergoth | nasa: badly designed, yes. functional, yes. |
| 18:22:05 | nasa | ok, I won't put 20 packages on cf at one time any more |
| 18:22:10 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:22:16 | kergoth | mine has more than that.. annoying as hell |
| 18:22:21 | kergoth | oipkg needs a lot of work |
| 18:22:33 | kergoth | nasa: thats why i told you to backrev your opie-oipkg to the one in feeds/3.0/old/.. |
| 18:22:34 | fusion94 | BigBoss: RMS charges fees to speak cause he's too fucking lazy to get a real job, + no one would hire him after the interview |
| 18:22:46 | kergoth | nasa: with the old one you can click on them in the docs tab and it worked |
| 18:22:59 | nasa | yeah, I will do that.... |
| 18:24:16 | tux_mike | fusion94: that's prolly true |
| 18:26:55 | ljp | kergoth: the new glic in the feed w/o gconv ? |
| 18:27:05 | ljp | s/glic/glibc |
| 18:27:13 | ljp | ohh poop |
| 18:27:56 | JasonNJ | kergoth for the life of me I cannot figure out what is going on |
| 18:28:30 | JasonNJ | I redownloaded the drivers from your feed |
| 18:28:34 | JasonNJ | erased the ones I had |
| 18:28:37 | JasonNJ | same problem |
| 18:30:35 | ljp | what kernel are you using? |
| 18:32:33 | JasonNJ | same one kergoth is using |
| 18:33:20 | bcanon | It's for your raise and your permanent employee status. |
| 18:34:06 | JasonNJ | ? |
| 18:34:24 | killefiz | wonders what that was and when he'll get that raise ;) |
| 18:34:56 | ljp | hehehe.. |
| 18:35:20 | ljp | must suck being a perma-temp |
| 18:40:16 | JasonNJ | I'm a permatemp |
| 18:40:25 | JasonNJ | all us contractors are |
| 18:46:43 | ljp | really? |
| 18:47:35 | ljp | that must suck |
| 18:47:38 | ljp | 'hehehe |
| 18:47:39 | fusion94 | contracts JasonNJ out to Ray Chock |
| 18:50:25 | JasonNJ | no comment |
| 18:53:42 | ljp | jasonNJ: are there replacement stylus available? |
| 18:54:23 | JasonNJ | yes |
| 18:54:31 | JasonNJ | should be on myzaurus |
| 18:54:35 | JasonNJ | if not shortly |
| 18:55:30 | fusion94 | JasonNJ: the stylus you guys gave away at JavaOne are cool |
| 18:55:46 | ljp | hmm nothing there now |
| 18:56:12 | mtm | fusion94: what's different about them? |
| 18:56:24 | kergoth`lunch | mark, bipolar: i reproduced your problem. now it wont upgrade for me anymore. you gave me your brokenness! |
| 18:57:02 | ljp | hehehe |
| 18:57:11 | kergoth | it hangs on libc upgrade now |
| 18:57:13 | kergoth | grumbles |
| 18:57:16 | kergoth | screw it |
| 18:57:21 | kergoth | i'm releasing 9.somethingorother |
| 18:57:27 | ljp | hmmm.. glibc upgraded fine for me |
| 18:57:45 | kergoth | it used to work fine for me.. |
| 18:57:46 | kergoth | hehh |
| 18:58:41 | ljp | maybe it is the glibc |
| 18:59:50 | JasonNJ | kergoth: build the socket drivers into the next one |
| 18:59:52 | bipolar | kergoth: whats going on? |
| 19:00:09 | bipolar | mines hung for the 3rd time |
| 19:00:20 | bipolar | this just plain does not work |
| 19:01:03 | kergoth | JasonNJ: i am |
| 19:01:11 | kergoth | bipolar: i know.. it used to work for me, but breaks now |
| 19:01:23 | bipolar | grumbles with kergoth |
| 19:01:37 | ljp | hmmm. should I update opieftp to also use IPv6? |
| 19:01:38 | kergoth | JasonNJ: should i install the altered ipk from ben into the initrd? or add orinoco drivers to the build system and build everything from source? |
| 19:02:25 | bipolar | kergoth: do you know what the problem might be? |
| 19:02:29 | hunger | kergoth: build from source:-) |
| 19:02:34 | kergoth | bipolar: nope |
| 19:02:57 | kergoth | hunger: heh.. so now i get to make the orinoco_cs drivers build AND work happily with the spectrum_cs driver? grr |
| 19:02:58 | kergoth | heheh |
| 19:03:11 | hunger | kergoth: I don't like the idea of stealing ipks together form all kind of places. |
| 19:03:21 | kergoth | me neither |
| 19:03:28 | kergoth | speaking of which, i need to get opie in the system eventually |
| 19:03:36 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:05:53 | JasonNJ | kergoth build it from source |
| 19:06:08 | kergoth | JasonNJ: k, i'm working on the orinoco build as we speak |
| 19:06:35 | JasonNJ | compile the wireless extensisions into the kernel too |
| 19:07:33 | kergoth | JasonNJ:how? heh |
| 19:07:39 | JasonNJ | http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux/Tools.html |
| 19:08:58 | kergoth | that doesnt tell me |
| 19:09:03 | kergoth | we already have the wireless-tools installed.. |
| 19:09:17 | hunger | Damn gcc! I'm building it without glibc and it is still searching for stdlib.h and unistd.h:-( |
| 19:10:21 | JasonNJ | kergoth make sure you use the may 3 source of spectrum |
| 19:10:33 | JasonNJ | the one that was posted late in the day on ZZ |
| 19:11:52 | JasonNJ | god do I hate cafeteria food |
| 19:11:56 | kergoth | JasonNJ: i'm using the one off the sourceforge site.. |
| 19:12:00 | kergoth | JasonNJ: not sure what the date it |
| 19:12:02 | kergoth | s/it/is/ |
| 19:12:43 | JasonNJ | rrrmm.. is the one that was distributed on ZZ the same one as the one on SF? |
| 19:13:10 | JasonNJ | I think some mods might have been made to support the socket but I am not sure |
| 19:14:46 | bipolar | kergoth: this sux... I guess there are quite a fiew bugs left. |
| 19:15:27 | JasonNJ | http://www.iral.com:88/~albertr/zaurus/spectrum_cs-20020503.zip |
| 19:16:02 | kergoth | bipolar: hmm? bugs in what? |
| 19:16:08 | bipolar | kergoth: OZ |
| 19:16:22 | bipolar | kergoth: I can't use it at all becuse I cant install things. |
| 19:16:28 | bipolar | PITA |
| 19:16:35 | kergoth | why cant you install things? |
| 19:16:38 | kergoth | everything works but libc |
| 19:16:42 | kergoth | on upgrade |
| 19:16:56 | bipolar | kergoth: no. I had kernel modules fail on me too |
| 19:16:59 | kergoth | oipkg sucks, backrev to 0426 version in feeds/3.0/old/ in the feed |
| 19:17:01 | JasonNJ | I'm a dumbshit those are binaries |
| 19:17:10 | bipolar | kergoth: it's not the packages. It's somthing in the system |
| 19:17:21 | kergoth | bipolar: well like i said, everything works flawlessly here but libc6. |
| 19:17:28 | kergoth | bipolar: dont know what to tell you |
| 19:17:30 | bipolar | :\ |
| 19:17:34 | bipolar | weird |
| 19:17:45 | kergoth | well i'll have a slightly newere initrd soon |
| 19:18:09 | JasonNJ | Pavel Roskin wrote the spectrum driver |
| 19:18:12 | JasonNJ | same as stuff on SF |
| 19:19:25 | kergoth | JasonNJ: k |
| 19:19:41 | JasonNJ | at least I think it is |
| 19:23:18 | kergoth | shit |
| 19:23:23 | kergoth | new orinoco-cs requires 2.4.10+ |
| 19:23:30 | kergoth | i'll use the orinoco source from pcmcia-cs then |
| 19:24:03 | JasonNJ | we really gotta start figuring out how to forward port the kernel |
| 19:24:07 | bipolar | by default, does ipkg try to install everything in flash now? |
| 19:24:15 | kergoth | yes. |
| 19:24:26 | mark | kergoth: have you released 9.x yet? |
| 19:24:26 | kergoth | ipkg has always done that in oz3, because flash is writable |
| 19:24:54 | kergoth | mark: no, i'm pounding out the orinoco drivers so we can include the socket/symbol driver also |
| 19:25:01 | bipolar | kergoth: hmmmm.... but there is only 712K left in flash. yikes |
| 19:25:05 | mark | kergoth: ah okay |
| 19:25:08 | kergoth | bipolar: rm -rf /usr/lib/gconv |
| 19:25:16 | kergoth | bipolar: and use oipkg to install to mtdram |
| 19:25:23 | kergoth | bipolar: you have a ramdisk, use it |
| 19:25:37 | mark | oipkg is just crashing for me atm :( |
| 19:25:43 | mark | kergoth: when you do, system info + embeddedkonsole would be nice |
| 19:25:45 | kergoth | the 0426 version? |
| 19:25:49 | kergoth | mark: yep i know |
| 19:25:59 | JasonNJ | http://www.iral.com:88/~albertr/zaurus/ |
| 19:26:02 | kergoth | mark: dont forget to backrev oipkg... |
| 19:26:05 | JasonNJ | take a look at that kergoth |
| 19:26:07 | mark | kergoth: i did so |
| 19:26:17 | JasonNJ | theres some modified source in here |
| 19:27:17 | kergoth | no.. |
| 19:27:22 | kergoth | he just has the modified zImages |
| 19:27:27 | kergoth | no source or configuration information |
| 19:27:37 | kergoth | from waht i can see anyway.. |
| 19:27:48 | JasonNJ | yeah just compiled binaries |
| 19:28:02 | JasonNJ | you may wanna give him a holler and ask him where he is getting his source from |
| 19:28:10 | JasonNJ | is it SF or coming from elsewhere |
| 19:28:44 | kergoth | k |
| 19:30:50 | tux_mike | alright! i can finally get streams off my tivo :) |
| 19:30:55 | mark | fscking ebay, i put my ipaq up there and it doesnt come up when you search for it :( |
| 19:44:24 | roge99_away | is back (gone 08:16:09) |
| 19:44:35 | roge99 | hello all |
| 19:44:44 | kergoth | hey roge99 |
| 19:44:49 | roge99 | hey kergoth |
| 19:45:13 | roge99 | somthing is gobbleing up ram like crazy |
| 19:45:21 | kergoth | hmm |
| 19:45:36 | tux_mike | hey roge99, i got the drives :) |
| 19:45:37 | roge99 | i reboot and have nothing running and 22 of the 26 megs is used |
| 19:45:41 | ljp | could be rampacman |
| 19:45:42 | roge99 | cool |
| 19:45:44 | tux_mike | my friend's picking up a tape tomorrow :) |
| 19:46:06 | kergoth | roge99: chances are, linux is caching it |
| 19:46:09 | roge99 | they should both work ( as far as i can rember ) |
| 19:46:25 | kergoth | JasonNJ: I built a orinoco_cs package from source. |
| 19:46:30 | roge99 | no it dosent show up as cached |
| 19:46:34 | kergoth | JasonNJ: i'll test shortly |
| 19:46:36 | roge99 | and its slow as hell |
| 19:46:51 | roge99 | and locks up like crazy |
| 19:46:51 | kergoth | roge99: usign oipkg? its a hog.. i think its leaking bad |
| 19:47:19 | roge99 | yea but after a reboot it should free it up .. no ? |
| 19:47:25 | kergoth | yep |
| 19:47:44 | roge99 | i also noticed that the rc scripts that start opie never exit |
| 19:48:00 | roge99 | ill look into that as well |
| 19:48:05 | kergoth | hmm k |
| 19:48:12 | roge99 | i just got in ( was in boston all day ) |
| 19:48:15 | kergoth | I should add sharp's 'survive' app into the system |
| 19:48:22 | kergoth | i'm working on debugging jason |
| 19:48:27 | kergoth | 's issues with the socket drive |
| 19:48:28 | kergoth | r |
| 19:48:32 | kergoth | fucking enter key |
| 19:48:35 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:48:36 | roge99 | heh |
| 19:49:07 | roge99 | ill see what i can come up with for trackin down whats gobbling up ram |
| 19:49:11 | ljp | whats dies survive do? |
| 19:49:16 | ljp | does |
| 19:49:23 | kergoth | ljp: no idea.. just saw the source tgz on the dev site |
| 19:49:23 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:49:30 | ljp | oh |
| 19:49:34 | roge99 | it didnt do it at first .. after i loaded up some apps |
| 19:50:00 | ljp | I saw that yesterdqay as I was inspecting Sharp rom scripts |
| 19:50:14 | kergoth | yep its used to spawn qpe |
| 19:50:20 | kergoth | havent looked into it |
| 19:50:47 | mark | kergoth: inserting CF card - no such file or directory /var/run/stab |
| 19:50:59 | mark | kergoth: OZ almost _never_ works again after a forced reboot |
| 19:51:14 | kergoth | mark: hmm? the var filesystem is created on every reboot. |
| 19:51:27 | kergoth | mark: its extracted from /root/.var_defaults.tar |
| 19:51:36 | mark | ah thats the problem |
| 19:51:39 | mark | in my symlinking |
| 19:51:39 | mark | sorry |
| 19:51:44 | mark | i must have not copied that one over |
| 19:51:45 | kergoth | np |
| 19:51:51 | mark | forgot cp -a doesn't cp . files, v annoying |
| 19:51:57 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:51:58 | kergoth | indeed |
| 19:52:22 | mark | and i think i did a rm -rf /root/* first |
| 19:52:24 | mark | reflashes |
| 19:52:32 | mark | no, what package is that in? |
| 19:52:40 | kergoth | oz-base |
| 19:52:48 | kergoth | ipkg install -force-reinstall oz-base-blah.ipk |
| 19:52:50 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:53:01 | mark | yep |
| 19:54:17 | ljp | kergoth: you have that url handy to sharp's survive source? |
| 19:54:32 | ljp | I cant seem to find it |
| 19:55:59 | ljp | nm |
| 19:56:23 | kergoth | found it? its with the rest of the app sources |
| 19:56:45 | ljp | ya.. openobex is there |
| 19:57:11 | kergoth | yep |
| 19:57:18 | ljp | hmmm |
| 19:57:36 | kergoth | thats where i got the patch for the wlan sources to fix the NUMEROUS alignment problems |
| 19:57:37 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:59:18 | mark | is there any reason behind cp -a not copying . files or should i send a patch to gnu? |
| 19:59:32 | mark | heh |
| 19:59:43 | kergoth | i hope your patch would be smart enough to not recurse through . and .. !! |
| 19:59:44 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:59:50 | mark | kergoth: hehe |
| 20:00:24 | kergoth | watches cp -a hand indefinately |
| 20:00:26 | kergoth | whee |
| 20:00:40 | kergoth | okay back to wokr |
| 20:00:49 | mark | :( |
| 20:01:07 | ljp | wkr? |
| 20:01:12 | ljp | wokr? |
| 20:01:25 | numatrix | Yeah, it's what dyslexics do instead of work. |
| 20:01:28 | ljp | doesn't like wokr |
| 20:01:32 | kergoth | yes i'm wokring very hard right now thank you very much |
| 20:02:24 | bipolar_away | is away: I'm not here... Really.... |
| 20:02:45 | ljp | not me.. I'm dilly-dallying |
| 20:05:11 | ljp | do ya suppose libopenobex is the same as libqobex? |
| 20:05:39 | kergoth | i dont think so.. i always understood that libqobex was the qt interface to libopenobex... but i dont know for certain |
| 20:05:40 | mark | i've gone mad - how to symlink /root to /mnt/cf/root |
| 20:05:48 | mark | kergoth: yeh, that was my diagnosis |
| 20:05:58 | kergoth | ln -s /mnt/cf/root /root |
| 20:06:06 | kergoth | after moving it of course |
| 20:06:24 | mark | does it matter if i still have a dir called root on /? |
| 20:07:06 | ljp | hmm.. maybe they just added a impl files to it.. |
| 20:07:19 | mark | i think the 'beaming' dialog and stuff comes from there |
| 20:08:36 | mark | kergoth: argh. this is going to work |
| 20:08:43 | mark | the unpacking happens before /mnt/cf is mounted |
| 20:08:54 | ljp | hmm. and they just released the libopenobex they used but not the qt impl... great |
| 20:09:11 | mark | well libopenobex isn't theirs |
| 20:11:41 | ljp | true.... but they used in in some software obviuosly and didn't release that source. |
| 20:11:59 | mark | yeh |
| 20:12:07 | ljp | cause there is no linopenobex.so and there is libqobex.so |
| 20:12:13 | mark | oh |
| 20:12:16 | mark | you sure? |
| 20:12:21 | mark | i recall a libopenobex there |
| 20:12:32 | mark | i'm almost 100% sure acu tally |
| 20:12:46 | ljp | ahhhhh.. ok |
| 20:13:00 | ljp | hmmmm |
| 20:13:10 | ljp | sneaky |
| 20:14:34 | ljp | so I just need to write an interface plugin that uses libopenobex |
| 20:14:57 | mark | yeah |
| 20:15:04 | mark | although i thought zecke was doing it? |
| 20:15:16 | Corran | bg |
| 20:15:20 | ljp | heh ya along with about 12 other tings |
| 20:15:32 | mark | :) |
| 20:18:28 | mark | kergoth: thought of seperating out the drivers? as in, there are tonne of drivers I dont need taking up space on / |
| 20:19:31 | kergoth | mark: already planning on it |
| 20:19:43 | kergoth | marK: actually, i'm going to swipe the script the famliiar guys use to do it |
| 20:19:44 | kergoth | mark: heheh |
| 20:20:23 | mark | kergoth: good good |
| 20:20:25 | kergoth | mark: dont symlink root itself.. symlink Documents and Settings. that way you dont disrupt existing processes. |
| 20:21:03 | mark | kergoth: yep, i realised that i'd have to do that |
| 20:21:11 | kergoth | :-) |
| 20:21:23 | | i think feed is a package repository or http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds or http://www.zauruszone.com/feed/ or http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/ for OpenZaurus |
| 20:21:23 | mark | ibot: feed |
| 20:21:26 | | familiar is probably a Linux distribution for handhelds, at http://familiar.handhelds.org or God in the palm of my hand |
| 20:21:26 | mark | ibot: familiar |
| 20:21:32 | mark | GRRr |
| 20:21:34 | mark | where is familiar |
| 20:21:47 | | OK, mark. |
| 20:21:47 | mark | ibot: familiar feed is http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/feeds/unstable/packages/armv4l/ |
| 20:21:48 | kergoth | the feed? |
| 20:21:54 | | somebody said unstable feed was at http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/feeds/unstable/packages/armv4l/ |
| 20:21:54 | kergoth | ibot: unstable feed? |
| 20:21:57 | kergoth | heheh |
| 20:22:13 | mark | heh |
| 20:22:15 | mark | libdb2, that big? |
| 20:22:23 | kergoth | ? |
| 20:22:26 | kergoth | how large is it? |
| 20:24:04 | ljp | kergoth: survive is a front for prctl(PR_SET_OMM_KILL_SURVIVAL_LEVEL ... |
| 20:24:22 | kergoth | hah |
| 20:24:27 | kergoth | it makes sure oom killer doesnt kill qpe? |
| 20:24:52 | ljp | or you can use it to call any app |
| 20:24:58 | kergoth | of course |
| 20:25:02 | kergoth | ugh ive got one hell of a headache |
| 20:25:28 | ljp | too much stress |
| 20:25:36 | JasonNJ | cracks the whip |
| 20:25:55 | kergoth | heheh |
| 20:26:13 | | blech! |
| 20:26:13 | JasonNJ | ibot: beer |
| 20:26:18 | | JasonNJ: excuse me? |
| 20:26:18 | JasonNJ | ibot: curry |
| 20:26:45 | ljp | curry & beer? |
| 20:26:49 | JasonNJ | oh yeah. |
| 20:26:55 | JasonNJ | the best combination. |
| 20:27:26 | ljp | I once had a girlfriend put too much curry in some soup, and it made me vomit |
| 20:27:40 | JasonNJ | curry rocks. |
| 20:27:51 | ljp | I lik eit too, but not that much |
| 20:28:18 | JasonNJ | the best is thai curry chicken soup with peanuts |
| 20:28:22 | JasonNJ | and noodles |
| 20:28:25 | JasonNJ | piping hot |
| 20:28:30 | JasonNJ | extra spciy |
| 20:28:33 | JasonNJ | spicy |
| 20:29:01 | ljp | I like jalapenos spicy |
| 20:29:10 | JasonNJ | jalapenos is not spicy |
| 20:29:15 | JasonNJ | jalapenos are tame. |
| 20:29:22 | JasonNJ | thai green chiles are spicy. |
| 20:29:29 | JasonNJ | habaneros are god awful spicy. |
| 20:29:35 | ljp | yep |
| 20:30:08 | JasonNJ | jalapenos are like 5000 scoville units |
| 20:30:11 | ljp | my bro got some haneros sauce from New Orleans that no one can eat |
| 20:30:14 | JasonNJ | thais are like 50,000 |
| 20:30:22 | ljp | errr habaneros |
| 20:30:38 | JasonNJ | habaneros are like 100,000-500,000 depending on the type |
| 20:31:10 | JasonNJ | I grow my own habaneros |
| 20:31:14 | JasonNJ | and thais |
| 20:31:22 | JasonNJ | thais are very versatile |
| 20:31:26 | ljp | this must be on the up end,, cause you can't eat it.. its too hot |
| 20:31:30 | JasonNJ | great for stir frys and all kinds of dishes |
| 20:31:47 | JasonNJ | habaneros are fine if you use them sparingly |
| 20:31:56 | JasonNJ | like ONE of them for a whole pot of chili |
| 20:32:07 | JasonNJ | or if you dry them and crush them into powder and use a little as dust |
| 20:32:17 | Twiun | sighs |
| 20:32:25 | Twiun | God. Swimming is exhausting |
| 20:32:31 | kergoth | that it is |
| 20:32:58 | JasonNJ | Twiun: where do you swim at 10pm |
| 20:34:11 | JasonNJ | swimming is fun but I hate swimming pools |
| 20:34:14 | JasonNJ | I like the beach |
| 20:34:16 | JasonNJ | ocean |
| 20:34:33 | Twiun | Hehe, the sports centres in london are open until 10pm |
| 20:34:46 | Twiun | lots of people finish late, or have long commuting times |
| 20:34:50 | mark | Twiun: didn't know you were in london. where are you? |
| 20:35:48 | Twiun | mark: I'm in woolwich, you? |
| 20:36:42 | nasa | ping |
| 20:36:44 | nasa | ping |
| 20:36:48 | Twiun | pong |
| 20:36:49 | ljp | pong |
| 20:36:50 | kergoth | pong |
| 20:36:54 | kergoth | pong |
| 20:36:56 | nasa | my bad |
| 20:38:04 | | somebody said Twiun was Steph Meslin-Weber <mailto:twiun@adorphuye.com> |
| 20:38:04 | Twiun | ibot: Twiun |
| 20:39:35 | Twiun | grins. |
| 20:39:46 | Twiun | cackles insanely. |
| 20:41:03 | mark | Twiun: watford |
| 20:41:23 | Twiun | cool, far enough ;-) |
| 20:41:31 | mark | hehe |
| 20:47:18 | kergoth | man, there is NO work to do.. |
| 20:47:21 | kergoth | no real work anyway |
| 20:47:24 | kergoth | i can actually work on oz some |
| 20:47:25 | kergoth | nice. |
| 20:47:31 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:48:10 | kergoth | re Com[Plex] |
| 20:48:30 | Com[Plex] | hiya |
| 20:48:37 | Com[Plex] | this dsl friggin sucks my ass |
| 20:48:49 | Com[Plex] | its the worst internet connection Ive had in my life |
| 20:48:59 | Com[Plex] | DIALUP is more stable than this thing |
| 20:49:34 | kergoth | aack |
| 20:49:36 | kergoth | thats pretty bad |
| 20:49:37 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:49:41 | Com[Plex] | yeah |
| 20:50:11 | W|GGL|T | is away: I'm busy smoking a blunt or sleeping or something |
| 20:50:54 | Neo|Work | DSL can sometimes be bad |
| 20:51:21 | Neo|Work | often related to the phone line being shitty quality but in one case there was outdated hardware between me and the CO |
| 20:51:31 | Neo|Work | or if it was the CO that sucked, not sure |
| 20:51:45 | Neo|Work | and of course it depends as much on the ISP as ordinary modems |
| 20:52:20 | Neo|Work | I once had an ISP whose connection to the net was in like Texas or something |
| 20:52:30 | Neo|Work | super sucky for me, being in Seattle |
| 20:52:38 | treke | hopes for cable access |
| 20:52:43 | mark | grr, perl isn't going in happily on m y Z |
| 20:52:45 | treke | I hear way to many dsl horror stories |
| 20:52:51 | Neo|Work | I would like to have cable access in addition to DSL |
| 20:52:56 | Neo|Work | my current DSL is extremely good |
| 20:53:17 | Neo|Work | no outage yet, good ping times, get the bandwidth I'm promised etc |
| 20:53:27 | Neo|Work | Speakeasy was however the best fupping ISP ever |
| 20:53:35 | Neo|Work | had ping times from home to work that where < 10 ms |
| 20:54:27 | treke | They're the only ISP I've heard good things about dsl wise :) |
| 20:54:44 | kergoth | JasonNJ: got orinoco and spectrum built.. I'm removing and adding things to my kernel config atm |
| 20:54:54 | Neo|Work | I use Blarg.net now and they are doing fine |
| 20:55:08 | Com[Plex] | im gonna repaint my zaurus with that mirage paint, <the stuff that changes colors depending on the angle its viewed from> |
| 20:55:08 | Neo|Work | no incoming http, smtp and such but at the moment I don't need that so I don't care |
| 20:55:21 | Com[Plex] | any suggestions on color? http://store.yahoo.com/rodi/dupmirpainth.html |
| 20:55:24 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: thatd be pretty sweet |
| 20:55:29 | mark | Com[Plex]: heh, cool |
| 20:55:40 | Com[Plex] | I have, red/blue, silver/green, magenta/yellow, and purple/green |
| 20:55:42 | treke | would prefer incoming http. not essential though |
| 20:56:02 | Com[Plex] | I would have liked silver/blue I think, but thats not offered |
| 20:56:46 | Com[Plex] | - if this works well, I was planning on doing a computer case for this years UVALan, with one color mirae, and a flame job with a different mirage. |
| 20:57:17 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: take photos |
| 20:57:18 | kergoth | heheh |
| 20:57:23 | Com[Plex] | defenitely |
| 20:58:24 | Com[Plex] | I looked all voer town for this stuff. thought I had seen it somewhere a whiole back, but everyone looked at me like I was green, and on fire. |
| 20:58:43 | Neo|Work | is away: mtg |
| 20:58:52 | Com[Plex] | so.. any suggestions on color choice? |
| 20:59:00 | Com[Plex] | I was thinking about using silver/.green |
| 20:59:22 | Com[Plex] | because I handled a brand new zaurus the other day, and I kinda missed the silveryness of it :> |
| 20:59:34 | Com[Plex] | although, this blue is really quite sexy |
| 21:06:30 | ljp | purple/orange |
| 21:06:53 | mark | kergoth: the o ipkg in old/ doesn't do -force-depends does it? |
| 21:09:02 | kergoth | mark: it should have a checkbox for it in the to install page... |
| 21:10:17 | mark | kergoth: hmm |
| 21:10:19 | mark | god this is fscked |
| 21:10:35 | kergoth | ? |
| 21:11:03 | mark | oipkg |
| 21:12:26 | nasa | mark I agree, but once you know how to get around the problems -- it works better than the one provided by sharp |
| 21:13:13 | mark | kergoth: is it just me, or is konqueror de pending on q pe-base? |
| 21:14:26 | kergoth | wouldnt surprise me |
| 21:14:32 | kergoth | oipkg needs a LOT of bug fixes. |
| 21:14:43 | mark | kergoth: can you change that? (the one in oz3 feed) |
| 21:14:44 | kergoth | and then itll be usable.. after that, it needs user interface improvements. |
| 21:14:54 | kergoth | mark: yeah ill take a look when i have a chance |
| 21:14:57 | mark | cheers |
| 21:22:01 | roge99 | mark: you can -force-depends and it works |
| 21:22:41 | Fluxwerk | is away: Home |
| 21:22:55 | mark | roge99: yeh, i know |
| 21:27:44 | kergoth | mark: my new kernel build is running.. once its done i'll flash my Z with 9.whatever and test jason's socket driver load.. |
| 21:28:48 | roge99 | hmm upgrading libc6 with ipkg dosent work |
| 21:28:58 | kergoth | we know |
| 21:29:05 | roge99 | in fact it trashed the os |
| 21:29:05 | kergoth | it crash your unit hardcore yet? |
| 21:29:05 | mark | kergoth: cool |
| 21:29:08 | kergoth | yep |
| 21:29:14 | kergoth | roge99: fucked up eh? |
| 21:29:17 | roge99 | ye[ |
| 21:29:22 | roge99 | yep even |
| 21:29:25 | kergoth | roge99: it worked for me at one point... and it worked for ljp and hunger.. |
| 21:29:32 | kergoth | roge99: but now it doesnt upgrade on mine anymore |
| 21:29:35 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:29:37 | ljp | libc upgraded fine here |
| 21:29:39 | roge99 | it just dosent like me ! |
| 21:29:43 | roge99 | hmmm |
| 21:29:44 | kergoth | ljp: hehe |
| 21:29:47 | kergoth | its strange |
| 21:30:42 | mark | the konqueror package don't work |
| 21:30:45 | roge99 | reflashes ..... again |
| 21:30:45 | mark | grrr |
| 21:31:25 | ljp | hmm theres lots of apps on the Z not available |
| 21:31:54 | mark | is going back to official rom, a pain, but i need a working PDA for a while |
| 21:32:16 | roge99 | quitter ! |
| 21:32:18 | roge99 | :-P |
| 21:32:29 | mark | hehe |
| 21:33:09 | kergoth | ljp: ? |
| 21:33:27 | mark | roge99: you dont know how many times i have reflashed do you :P |
| 21:33:37 | roge99 | so kergoth .. when is 9.1 w/ the newer libc |
| 21:33:50 | roge99 | mark: probibly just as many as me |
| 21:33:58 | kergoth | pfft.. i reflashes literally 10 times a day in the early oz3 testing phase prior to beta |
| 21:34:02 | kergoth | s/flashes/flashed/ |
| 21:34:09 | mark | hehe |
| 21:34:16 | kergoth | roge99: i'm working on it.. Im trying to fix the socket/symbol driver first |
| 21:34:26 | mark | i had more luck with 8.5 actually |
| 21:34:33 | mark | i think i may go back to that |
| 21:34:36 | mark | grr |
| 21:34:36 | mark | :) |
| 21:34:39 | roge99 | kergoth: i was just kidding ... |
| 21:34:39 | kergoth | yeah oipkg broke horribly recently |
| 21:34:48 | roge99 | but ... |
| 21:34:55 | kergoth | and libc6 is great.. if you dont try to upgrade it |
| 21:34:56 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:34:58 | mark | kergoth: yeh, thats the root of my problems |
| 21:35:01 | mark | hehe |
| 21:35:02 | ljp | hmmm irrecv uses /etc/rc.d/init.d/irda which uses /dev/ttyS2 and /sbin/irattach |
| 21:35:15 | kergoth | ah |
| 21:35:37 | ljp | so.. if I make /dev/ttyS2.. think it'll work? |
| 21:35:47 | roge99 | kergoth: oh btw i edited the qpe startup script to exit ( start qpe and dump it into the bkg ) |
| 21:35:54 | roge99 | bad idea |
| 21:36:13 | kergoth | roge99: yeah it screws up because of the VT shit |
| 21:36:25 | roge99 | it spawns a shell on console before qpe starts and grabs the keyboard |
| 21:36:30 | roge99 | yep |
| 21:36:31 | kergoth | roge99: we run qpe on a seperate vt.. and change back.. if you run it and change back immediately, ... |
| 21:36:33 | kergoth | yeah |
| 21:36:33 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:36:53 | ljp | kergoth: whats that command to make a dev? |
| 21:36:59 | kergoth | ljp: mknod |
| 21:37:05 | ljp | ahh |
| 21:37:06 | roge99 | didnt sharp spawn it from inittab ? |
| 21:37:17 | kergoth | roge99: yeah they have init run their launcher app |
| 21:37:23 | kergoth | roge99: directly |
| 21:37:24 | hunger | ARG! Why does gcc want pthread.h now?! I explicitly added --disable-threads. |
| 21:40:40 | ljp | oh there it is |
| 21:41:14 | scanline | is away: packing... |
| 21:41:24 | ljp | S looks like 5 on micro |
| 21:45:57 | ljp | oZ might need irda-utils at some point |
| 21:48:21 | kergoth | ljp: yep |
| 21:51:17 | ljp | hehhe ir wont work without /sbin/irattach.. hehehe |
| 21:51:40 | kergoth | ah\ |
| 21:51:43 | kergoth | thatll do it then |
| 21:51:54 | kergoth | guess i should add that to the system after im done with jason's socket driver |
| 21:52:13 | kergoth | hah my reconfiguring packages script does a great job of giving you a nice long look at pingizauru |
| 21:53:28 | ljp | also the irda script on the Sharp rom |
| 21:53:39 | kergoth | ljp: whats the script do? |
| 21:53:56 | ljp | then... all thats missing is libopenobex and libqobex |
| 21:54:28 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:54:36 | kergoth | well we have the openobex source. that we can add |
| 21:54:55 | ljp | just calls irattach with the device {start|stop|restart} |
| 21:55:14 | kergoth | ljp: did you ever get the qpe mpeg4 plugin to work with opie? |
| 21:56:16 | ljp | I gues opieplayer comes with libmeg3 for some reason |
| 21:56:20 | ljp | opps |
| 21:57:45 | ljp | kergoth: you have a Sharp rom you can look at it.. |
| 21:58:16 | ljp | not yet.. just need to hookup the plugin interface to it really |
| 21:58:54 | ljp | and opieplayer for some reason also installs libmpeg3 |
| 22:06:03 | Neo|Work | is back (gone 01:07:17) |
| 22:14:19 | kergoth | JasonNJ: ping |
| 22:19:09 | Twiun | 'tis mighty quiet all of a sudden... |
| 22:19:19 | Twiun | everyone gone to lunch in the States? |
| 22:19:44 | kergoth | its 5:22.. thats a mighty late lunch |
| 22:19:47 | kergoth | :-) |
| 22:20:01 | Twiun | Hah, you know what those business lunches are like ;-) |
| 22:26:10 | | NeoTron was last seen on #zaurus 6 hours, 5 minutes and 9 seconds ago, saying: is away: work [Thu May 9 17:21:01 2002] |
| 22:26:10 | fusion94 | ibot: seen NeoTron |
| 22:26:24 | | Neo|Work was last seen on #zaurus 20 minutes and 21 seconds ago, saying: is back (gone 01:07:17) [Thu May 9 23:06:03 2002] |
| 22:26:24 | fusion94 | ibot: seen Neo|Work |
| 22:34:10 | kergoth | hey MSpin |
| 22:34:26 | MSpin | heya kergoth |
| 22:34:42 | kergoth | long long day |
| 22:34:45 | kergoth | absolutely nothing to do.. |
| 22:34:50 | kergoth | but still stuck at work |
| 22:34:51 | kergoth | i hate that. |
| 22:34:54 | MSpin | ewwww |
| 22:35:01 | MSpin | I just got home |
| 22:35:08 | kergoth | ah nice |
| 22:35:31 | MSpin | but I'll be working from home in a month:) |
| 22:35:49 | kergoth | sweet. gotta love that. |
| 22:36:02 | MSpin | yuppers |
| 22:36:15 | kergoth | i'm flashing oz3b9.somethingorother |
| 22:36:19 | MSpin | hrm, I need to run down to the bank |
| 22:36:20 | MSpin | cool |
| 22:36:47 | roge99 | kergoth: is there a new one at geezer |
| 22:37:22 | kergoth | not yet.. i can put it up if you want, but i havent flashed it even it sanity check it yet :-) |
| 22:37:43 | roge99 | well if it comes up ... throw it up there |
| 22:37:47 | roge99 | if you dont mind |
| 22:38:48 | kergoth | no problem.. hold on.. downloading it from geezer to my cf |
| 22:39:21 | roge99 | kergoth: i have oipkg worken ok .. if you do the updates from console ( ipkg update ) you dont get 40000 copies of each app under feeds |
| 22:39:30 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:39:30 | kergoth | nice |
| 22:39:53 | kergoth | you have to use it justttttt right or it freaks |
| 22:40:00 | roge99 | yep |
| 22:40:00 | kergoth | but once you know how to work around the kinks, its okay |
| 22:40:01 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:40:13 | roge99 | yea .. it took a little while |
| 22:44:38 | kergoth | hey NetAmp |
| 22:44:44 | NetAmp | hiya kergoth :) |
| 22:45:01 | NetAmp | seen any mtd gnomes lately? ;) |
| 22:45:06 | | I haven't seen 'gnomes', NetAmp |
| 22:45:06 | NetAmp | ibot: seen gnomes |
| 22:45:10 | kergoth | they fled in fear! |
| 22:45:15 | NetAmp | hahaha |
| 22:45:16 | kergoth | muahaha |
| 22:45:55 | NetAmp | wow I wonder when an XScale Zaurus will appear ;) |
| 22:46:01 | kergoth | thatd be nifty. |
| 22:46:12 | NetAmp | sure will, at 400+ MHz :D |
| 22:46:34 | kergoth | roge99: booting it.. its at the reconfiguring packages stage atm. |
| 22:46:41 | roge99 | kewl |
| 22:46:43 | NetAmp | and even less heat than current arm cpu's |
| 22:53:08 | treke | and maybe an fpu |
| 22:53:10 | treke | ? |
| 22:54:41 | NetAmp | dunno |
| 22:54:56 | NetAmp | I'm not really up-to-date on the XScale specs |
| 22:57:02 | NetAmp | would be cool for 3d games ;) |
| 22:57:21 | treke | would also help with video/audio |
| 22:57:44 | NetAmp | yeah, true |
| 22:58:01 | NetAmp | hm well we'll see... gonna get some sleep |
| 22:58:02 | NetAmp | bbl |
| 22:59:04 | Neo|Work | however, no FPU in the XScale either |
| 23:02:36 | treke | oh well. could be worse |
| 23:04:31 | kergoth | roge99: http://geezer.umgllc.net/kergoth/initrd-oz3b9.1.bin |
| 23:05:03 | roge99 | kewl .... whats different |
| 23:05:26 | kergoth | basically up to date with the feed |
| 23:05:33 | kergoth | updated util-linux-hwclock, oz-base, libc6 |
| 23:05:41 | kergoth | embeddedkonsole, sysinfo, and filebrowser are installed by default |
| 23:05:45 | kergoth | with still about 2.8 megs free |
| 23:05:50 | roge99 | sweet |
| 23:06:50 | kergoth | shit |
| 23:06:59 | kergoth | wait for b9.2 .. i forgot to install opie-datetime |
| 23:07:00 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:07:13 | roge99 | lol |
| 23:07:15 | roge99 | ok |
| 23:11:18 | kergoth | roge99: http://geezer.umgllc.net/kergoth/initrd-oz3b9.2.bin |
| 23:11:34 | kergoth | JasonNJ: http://geezer.umgllc.net/kergoth/initrd-oz3b9.2.bin |
| 23:11:37 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:11:59 | ljp_hatesQWestPh | and the improvements are...? |
| 23:12:06 | Twiun | kergoth: So we're going to get to 0z3b9.99.99.99 soon are we? |
| 23:12:11 | Twiun | grins |
| 23:12:43 | kergoth | fixed hwclock, updated oz-base, backrev'd oipkg, included embeddedkonsole, sysinfo, filebrowser. included socket/symbol driver for jason's testing.. updated libc6.. basically brings us up to date with the feed. |
| 23:12:53 | kergoth | Twiun: oh quiet |
| 23:12:54 | kergoth | heheh |
| 23:13:19 | kergoth | i should datestamp itt... so are you running openzaurus 20020405 or 20020406? lol |
| 23:13:26 | Twiun | Sorry ;-) just went through some more feedback emails about the Java FAQ site ;-) |
| 23:13:50 | MSpin | kergoth: you need a date *and* timestamp:) |
| 23:13:57 | kergoth | MSpin: grr :-P |
| 23:14:26 | ljp_hatesQWestPh | and a revision stamp |
| 23:14:38 | Neo|Work | kergoth: ... fixed nomtdram kernel for use in 5000D? :) |
| 23:14:43 | ljp_hatesQWestPh | heck.. go all aout and do it by UID |
| 23:15:02 | kergoth | Neo|Work: hmm havent tested it yet.. heh |
| 23:15:32 | ljp_hatesQWestPh | misses his dsl |
| 23:15:47 | Neo|Work | ljp_hatesQWestPh: you dn't even have it back yey?! |
| 23:16:43 | ljp_hatesQWestPh | no,,.. they said 2 frickin weeks! |
| 23:16:55 | MSpin | ljp_hatesQWestPh: don't suppose you know anyone with that you have line of sight to?:) |
| 23:17:09 | ljp_hatesQWestPh | heheheh... no |
| 23:17:40 | MSpin | damn |
| 23:17:44 | ljp_hatesQWestPh | my poor Lnk light on the Cisco just blinks and blinks |
| 23:18:02 | Neo|Work | damn idiots |
| 23:18:11 | ljp_hatesQWestPh | and no Act |
| 23:18:13 | Neo|Work | two weeks? What did they do? unplug you and reuse the connection? |
| 23:18:16 | ljp_hatesQWestPh | ya I know |
| 23:18:24 | Neo|Work | wtfkomat? |
| 23:18:28 | ljp_hatesQWestPh | heh guess |
| 23:19:06 | ljp_hatesQWestPh | and charged me for a 'new' service setup |
| 23:20:08 | Neo|Work | of course when I last moved and asked for DSL I finally, after a couple of weeks, asked and checked what the status was |
| 23:20:09 | ljp_hatesQWestPh | hmm maybe I should upgrade my firwall... |
| 23:20:22 | Neo|Work | apparently it had by then been on for weeks but no one thought of telling me or my ISP |
| 23:20:34 | ljp_hatesQWestPh | heh idiots |
| 23:21:38 | roge99 | bbiab |
| 23:21:45 | ljp_hatesQWestPh | hmmm someone mowed my lawn today |
| 23:22:19 | Neo|Work | hehe |
| 23:22:24 | fusion94 | ljp_hatesQWestPh: probably the city, look in the mailbox for a bill |
| 23:22:59 | ljp_hatesQWestPh | heh no they don't do that.. either my nephew or dad, probably |
| 23:23:29 | ljp_hatesQWestPh | thing is the more ya mow.. the more you have to water.. the more you have to mow |
| 23:23:57 | ljp_hatesQWestPh | bbl postal run.. |
| 23:24:09 | hunger | Yahoo! Managed to get gcc in stage1 compiled. |
| 23:24:16 | hunger | Good night! |
| 23:24:40 | kergoth | night hunger. nice work |
| 23:24:56 | kergoth | k im going home myself. please put b9.2 bug reports on SF. |
| 23:25:03 | hunger | kergoth: I think gcc's build system is a bit broken... We'll need to patch gcc a bit to get a make toolchain:-) |
| 23:40:12 | Hellaenergy | hi yallllll |
| 23:40:58 | ljp_hatesQWestPh | hello |
| 23:41:24 | Twiun | waves |
| 23:41:34 | Twiun | I'm off - sleep-time! |
| 23:42:02 | Hellaenergy | ljp: join the club |
| 23:42:10 | Hellaenergy | I hate qwest too |
| 23:43:44 | Hellaenergy | anyone here have a linux Desktop to linux Laptop wireless setup? |
| 23:47:54 | Hellaenergy | roge99: are you creeping around here? |
| 23:48:02 | Hellaenergy | I know you got one |
| 23:48:40 | treke | Hellaenergy : I do |
| 23:48:47 | Hellaenergy | what do you use? |
| 23:49:10 | Hellaenergy | wants to go get some hardware |
| 23:49:12 | treke | oh wait. I dont think I do what your thinking of |
| 23:49:29 | Hellaenergy | well explain what you do, do. |
| 23:50:17 | treke | I've got a wap plugged into a hub which is attached to my machine. I do however use the linksys pci cards occaisionally |
| 23:57:32 | Hellaenergy | treke: what kind of wap are you using? |
| 23:57:49 | treke | Linksys |
| 23:58:05 | Hellaenergy | I had a linksys Wireless Router |
| 23:58:18 | Hellaenergy | The configuration was too limited |
| 23:58:32 | treke | been adequate for my needs |
| 23:58:37 | Hellaenergy | I though it was weak that all these Wireless routers went with a web interface |
| 23:58:51 | Hellaenergy | s/went/came |
| 23:59:06 | treke | Just about all the consumer routers I've seen come with a web interface |
| 23:59:07 | Hellaenergy | thats cool |
| 23:59:32 | Hellaenergy | ya unfortunatly you are right |
| 23:59:33 | treke | although a few are nice enough to include a serial console also :) |
| 23:59:42 | Hellaenergy | hmmm |
| 23:59:48 | Hellaenergy | which ones? |
| 23:59:52 | treke | thats about the only thing I like about my netgear router |
| 23:59:59 | Hellaenergy | opens his eyes |
