| 00:05:27 | JasonNJ-home | whazzup. |
| 00:06:49 | roge99 | sup Jason |
| 00:06:58 | roge99 | did you get wlan worken |
| 00:07:02 | tux_mike | anyone else here read megatokyo? |
| 00:07:16 | ljp | megatokyo? |
| 00:07:34 | tux_mike | i take that as a no. |
| 00:07:37 | tux_mike | www.megatokyo.com |
| 00:07:38 | JasonNJ-home | roge: nope |
| 00:07:44 | JasonNJ-home | kergoth needs to fix some stuff. |
| 00:07:45 | tux_mike | really good webcomic :) |
| 00:07:50 | JasonNJ-home | the wlan applet is screwy. |
| 00:08:07 | roge99 | hmm i got it worken w/ the older wlan-ng |
| 00:08:25 | roge99 | yea the config app is screwy |
| 00:08:31 | JasonNJ-home | beta9 will have the wlan fixes and also the socket driver |
| 00:08:46 | roge99 | cool |
| 00:13:44 | Neo|Work | is away: home |
| 00:14:16 | narowmind | heh |
| 00:14:57 | narowmind | JasonNJ-home : is the wlan applet going to be openedup ? |
| 00:15:18 | narowmind | I have a applet that will generate wepkeys from a passphrase.. but really its should just be a patch. |
| 00:16:54 | JasonNJ-home | narow: theres a new opensource wlan applet |
| 00:17:58 | narowmind | JasonNJ-home : is this the OZ one ? |
| 00:18:12 | JasonNJ-home | yep |
| 00:18:13 | narowmind | hm. |
| 00:18:28 | narowmind | so are the sharp doods looking at the OZ distro? |
| 00:18:34 | JasonNJ-home | yep. |
| 00:18:58 | narowmind | really I would like to run all the nifty stuff in OZ.. but still keep the option of useing opera.. and hancom office.. yada yada |
| 00:19:44 | JasonNJ-home | ljp did you mention earlier you were looking for the ROM |
| 00:21:07 | ljp | oh I found it |
| 00:21:34 | JasonNJ-home | its on myzaurus but we didnt put a direct link to it |
| 00:21:43 | JasonNJ-home | I wanted to, but management shot me down |
| 00:21:46 | narowmind | bah |
| 00:22:02 | narowmind | lamers.. puta HUGE link on zauruszone or something |
| 00:22:05 | ljp | narowmind: do like me, and create your own hybred rom |
| 00:22:16 | JasonNJ-home | there is a link on ZaurusZone |
| 00:22:28 | narowmind | ljp: ugh.. then you take your chances on ipk's |
| 00:22:55 | ljp | huh? no.. it goes into the rom, so I dont have to install all that stuff |
| 00:22:56 | narowmind | the people making packages assume things.. and if you roll your own you get wierd bugs as some assumptions are false |
| 00:23:01 | ljp | I roll my own rom |
| 00:23:13 | narowmind | so you roll you own rom.. and do some stuff. |
| 00:23:38 | narowmind | then you find a ipk that you want to install.. and it failes.. in a odd way.. becouse it was never tested on your hacked rom |
| 00:23:45 | ljp | ya.. its easy |
| 00:24:08 | ljp | hmmm.. never had that happened.. |
| 00:24:15 | narowmind | dont worry.. it will |
| 00:24:31 | ljp | my "hacked" rom, as you call it, is perfectly compatible with every other rom out there |
| 00:24:34 | narowmind | its a system maintance thing that takes a while to show up. |
| 00:24:45 | ljp | heh I've had a zaurus for 6 months |
| 00:25:24 | ljp | its no problem to manually install something anyway |
| 00:25:57 | ljp | I just can't distribute it cause I include opera. and my tkcEditor |
| 00:26:46 | ljp | and I set up the environment how I want it |
| 00:27:55 | ljp | so far its half sharp and half opie... its a sharopie rom |
| 00:28:30 | ljp | the zaurus really is a fun thing |
| 00:30:53 | ljp | JasonNJ-home: have you run fbvnc on Oz? |
| 00:33:36 | narowmind | ljp: Im not against it.. Im all about hacking the to be the way you want.. |
| 00:33:52 | narowmind | Im just noting the trade offs you make when you roll your own. |
| 00:33:55 | JasonNJ-home | ljp I barely have OZ working at this point |
| 00:34:01 | narowmind | heh |
| 00:34:08 | JasonNJ-home | I am hoping this evening we can solve some key issues |
| 00:34:10 | narowmind | sharp doods must be hella impressed =P |
| 00:34:31 | JasonNJ-home | narow: yep we are |
| 00:34:39 | narowmind | heh. |
| 00:35:13 | JasonNJ-home | so in 3 weeks I am going to be the star of The Linux Show |
| 00:35:13 | narowmind | I want to see what happens you they start making custom distros for corperate clients. |
| 00:35:18 | JasonNJ-home | man I feel so important |
| 00:35:44 | narowmind | i mean a handhelds that are tweekd for stock keeping and medical services.. |
| 00:36:18 | narowmind | take you about a month to roll that out on top of an open distro.. while it would take 6 months for a pocketPC twink |
| 00:36:27 | ljp | narowmind: there are no tradeoff.. I use most of the stuff off of the Sharp rom at this point, and replace/add opies stuff |
| 00:36:45 | narowmind | ok. |
| 00:36:48 | ljp | :D |
| 00:37:06 | ljp | and remove stuff I dont use.. |
| 00:37:34 | narowmind | its sort of like putting a redhat rpm on a mandrake system.. may work perfectly.. may totally hose your boot sequence.. you just dont know . |
| 00:37:45 | narowmind | remove stuff? you must have a D |
| 00:39:02 | ljp | heh.. I dont touch the boot loader, I just flash the initrd, and maybe the zImage |
| 00:39:30 | sitruC | is waiting around for someone to port netbsd :-) |
| 00:39:38 | roge99 | narowmind: most of us ( who have been here for a while ) have the 5000D's |
| 00:39:43 | ljp | hehehe |
| 00:39:50 | roge99 | and lots of us roll are own |
| 00:40:17 | ljp | c'mon kergoth... get home... |
| 00:40:23 | JasonNJ-home | lol |
| 00:40:32 | JasonNJ-home | I sent him my wlan card today |
| 00:40:38 | roge99 | cool |
| 00:40:38 | JasonNJ-home | thankfully we got the sockets working |
| 00:40:47 | JasonNJ-home | I had a few lying around |
| 00:41:03 | ljp | heh wow, thats mighty cool of you Jason |
| 00:41:18 | JasonNJ-home | heh, it was a sample from dlink |
| 00:41:29 | ljp | ahhh perks... |
| 00:41:38 | narowmind | how is the dlink formfactor? better then the linksys ? |
| 00:41:41 | JasonNJ-home | I have a vested interest in seeing OZ succeed |
| 00:41:46 | JasonNJ-home | no the dlink is horrendous |
| 00:41:49 | JasonNJ-home | the best card is the socket |
| 00:41:55 | narowmind | linksys blocks the stylus a little bit. |
| 00:42:03 | JasonNJ-home | dlink's prime advantage is that it is very powerful |
| 00:42:12 | roge99 | narowmind: you can modify it to work just fine |
| 00:42:15 | JasonNJ-home | other than that it draws a lot of juice and blocks all the ports |
| 00:42:26 | JasonNJ-home | socket is definitely THE card./ |
| 00:43:04 | sitruC | try not to make the recent smc owners sad.. |
| 00:43:20 | JasonNJ-home | socket card has a weird interface though |
| 00:43:27 | JasonNJ-home | couldnt get the wlanmonitor to work |
| 00:43:30 | JasonNJ-home | it bombs out |
| 00:47:14 | sitruC | hey, i heard something about the serial cable being redesigned? |
| 00:47:40 | sitruC | is probably on crack |
| 00:50:35 | sickboy | h |
| 00:51:04 | sickboy | slaps narowmind around a bit with a large trout |
| 00:51:18 | ekkis | hey guys, I just got back from Fry's with a new 64M CF memory card... took out my USB cable and installation CDROM and followed the directions for installing drivers for the USB on Windows 98... after I select E:\mcci it tells me it cannot find the driver... what do I do? |
| 00:51:50 | JasonNJ-home | sitruC: we are manufacturing them now |
| 00:51:57 | JasonNJ-home | hope to have them avaliable soon. |
| 00:52:27 | MSpin | JasonNJ-home: what changed on it? |
| 00:52:29 | sitruC | it's not easy getting stuff in Canada :( |
| 00:52:49 | JasonNJ-home | MSpin: you can now use the keyboard |
| 00:53:11 | MSpin | ahhh.. |
| 00:53:39 | ekkis | anyone with a Win98 box connected thru USB? |
| 00:53:39 | sitruC | good to note :) |
| 00:53:50 | JasonNJ-home | ekkis: I do |
| 00:53:51 | JasonNJ-home | at work |
| 00:53:58 | narowmind | jason: new serial cables?? please tell me I can console with it.. |
| 00:54:11 | JasonNJ-home | narow: yep |
| 00:54:15 | narowmind | reparing a router with the zuarus is hella cool! |
| 00:54:27 | sitruC | hopefully this should be a step up from my puny laptop, i need to stick an (admittedly pretty small) detachable ass to the back to get serial to plug into a device |
| 00:54:44 | ekkis | JasonNJ-home: did you have any problems installing the drivers? are there later drivers somewhere perhaps? |
| 00:55:08 | ekkis | it tells me that it can't find the drivers and I've got the CD they sent me! |
| 00:55:16 | nyargh | JasonNJ-home: how much are you guys gonna sell the new cables for? |
| 00:55:28 | narowmind | with an 'fixed' serial cable the zaurus would make a great noc monkey tool |
| 00:55:31 | JasonNJ-home | dunno, presumably the same amount |
| 00:55:38 | sitruC | is a noc monkey |
| 00:55:41 | ljp | ekkis: I had one at one time |
| 00:55:49 | nyargh | yah |
| 00:55:51 | nyargh | no shit |
| 00:55:53 | JasonNJ-home | I was once a noc monkey |
| 00:55:54 | narowmind | makes hardware for noc monkeys |
| 00:56:02 | ljp | ekkis: win98 is fairly cranky about the drivers |
| 00:56:22 | MSpin | narowmind: I still think IrDA on network hardware would be usefull:) |
| 00:56:22 | narowmind | ick wind98 |
| 00:56:25 | JasonNJ-home | ekkis you have a 5500 or 5000 |
| 00:56:35 | nyargh | JasonNJ-home: you guys have a website or somthing? |
| 00:56:37 | ekkis | 5000 |
| 00:56:41 | JasonNJ-home | ekkis: |
| 00:56:44 | JasonNJ-home | download the new drivers. |
| 00:56:47 | narowmind | MSpin.. until someone beems a new router config to your box from a window |
| 00:56:47 | JasonNJ-home | the old ones suck. |
| 00:56:53 | JasonNJ-home | www.myzaurus.com |
| 00:56:56 | ljp | ekkis: you usually have to specify exactly which file to install.. there's two.. |
| 00:56:57 | JasonNJ-home | download area |
| 00:57:04 | ekkis | aha... coolness |
| 00:57:07 | nyargh | oh |
| 00:57:10 | nyargh | you're with sharp |
| 00:57:11 | nyargh | ahhh |
| 00:57:16 | MSpin | narowmind: true.. |
| 00:57:21 | ekkis | goes download drivers w/1e6 thx to the board |
| 00:57:26 | JasonNJ-home | nyargh: I run the developer program. |
| 00:57:26 | sitruC | narow: what hardware do noc monkey's need? :-) |
| 00:57:30 | narowmind | I have enough fun crashing printers |
| 00:57:51 | JasonNJ-home | alright, my tivo finished recording star trek. |
| 00:57:57 | JasonNJ-home | be down after I watch it. |
| 00:58:01 | narowmind | sitruC: we make webaccelerators ( slb,cache,ssl.. yada yada) www.arraynetworks.net |
| 00:58:12 | MSpin | although, the connection could be authenticated |
| 00:58:19 | MSpin | have fun JasonNJ |
| 00:58:30 | narowmind | heh. |
| 00:58:51 | narowmind | MSpin : many people still rely on phyiscal access. |
| 00:59:10 | narowmind | MSpin: most noc's have all the consoles logged in as root. |
| 00:59:11 | JasonNJ-home | ekkis also be sure to upgrade your ROM on the 5000 |
| 00:59:15 | JasonNJ-home | to version 1.12 |
| 00:59:21 | MSpin | narowmind: very true |
| 00:59:26 | JasonNJ-home | 1.02 is VERY old |
| 00:59:48 | JasonNJ-home | you can D/L it off zauruszone.com |
| 00:59:51 | narowmind | MSpin : while it irda is nifty.. and a cool toy.. I just dont see why you need to take the chance. |
| 00:59:53 | JasonNJ-home | or the sharp developer web site |
| 01:00:51 | narowmind | I must say Im rather impressed that sharp hasnt been scared off by the other developer sites yet.. even providing links to places like zauruszone is cool. |
| 01:01:15 | narowmind | most companies have lawyers and managment get scared.. even around open software. |
| 02:00:05 | kergoth | roge99, hunger, JasonNJ: the wlan setup app actually saves it settings now. should work now. |
| 02:00:34 | roge99 | kewl |
| 02:00:44 | roge99 | so how long till beta9 |
| 02:00:51 | kergoth | shortly.. i want to finish up a few things |
| 02:00:54 | kergoth | can you test this? |
| 02:00:59 | roge99 | sure |
| 02:01:00 | kergoth | i want to confirm the fix before b9 |
| 02:01:04 | roge99 | is it in the feed |
| 02:01:05 | kergoth | k, hold, i'll put it on the feed |
| 02:01:45 | roge99 | if you want me to get it somewhere else to test |
| 02:01:56 | roge99 | before you stick it in the feed |
| 02:02:18 | kergoth | I wont be updating Packages to include it yet |
| 02:02:22 | kergoth | so it shouldnt break anyone |
| 02:02:52 | JasonNJ-home | yo kerg. |
| 02:03:02 | kergoth | k, http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/opie-wlansetup_1.0-4_arm.ipk |
| 02:03:10 | kergoth | JasonNJ-home: hey |
| 02:03:28 | JasonNJ-home | kergoth are the socket drivers in beta 9 |
| 02:03:40 | kergoth | JasonNJ-home: bout to add them to the buildsystem |
| 02:03:44 | JasonNJ-home | good |
| 02:03:57 | kergoth | feel free to test that wlan setup app. it should actually modify wlan-ng.opts now |
| 02:03:57 | JasonNJ-home | cause you are getting my Dlink, all I have is the socket now |
| 02:03:58 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:04:07 | kergoth | ah, gotcha. I'll add it asap |
| 02:04:15 | ljp | kergoth: timezones needs to be installed for citytime to work right |
| 02:04:27 | kergoth | ljp: hmm.. libc6 provides the zoneinfo.. |
| 02:04:35 | kergoth | ljp: and then conflicts with timezones as a result.. |
| 02:04:48 | kergoth | thats what i thought anyway.. |
| 02:04:49 | kergoth | m |
| 02:09:45 | roge99 | kergoth: did you stick it in the feed yet ? |
| 02:10:01 | kergoth | roge99: yes. http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/opie-wlansetup_1.0-4_arm.ipk |
| 02:10:34 | roge99 | ok |
| 02:10:36 | roge99 | missed it |
| 02:13:57 | nasa | So is a new OZ out? |
| 02:14:13 | kergoth | nasa: oz3b9 will be available shortly |
| 02:14:24 | nasa | cool |
| 02:14:31 | kergoth | adding the socket card drivers atm |
| 02:14:40 | nasa | oh.... |
| 02:16:16 | kergoth | hrm |
| 02:16:39 | kergoth | JasonNJ-home: got the url to the patch for orinoco_cs to add spectrum_cs? the url you sent me earlier today only contains binary modules |
| 02:18:23 | kergoth | JasonNJ-home: nm, found it |
| 02:18:48 | fusion94 | werd |
| 02:18:51 | fusion94 | evening all |
| 02:19:04 | kergoth | hey fusion94 |
| 02:19:29 | fusion94 | kergoth: oxygen should be setup for uploads in the the next couple of hours |
| 02:19:41 | kergoth | fusion94: great, glad to hear it. |
| 02:22:38 | roge99 | kergoth: It changed my DesiredSSID ok |
| 02:22:42 | roge99 | but |
| 02:22:49 | kergoth | roge99: hm? |
| 02:22:51 | roge99 | i ran it from command line |
| 02:23:02 | roge99 | to see if threre were any errors |
| 02:23:07 | kergoth | segfaulted |
| 02:23:10 | kergoth | i'll fix that |
| 02:23:11 | kergoth | hehe |
| 02:23:12 | roge99 | yea |
| 02:23:25 | kergoth | anything else? does the wlan card work after setting it up with the wlan settings app? |
| 02:23:57 | roge99 | testing |
| 02:25:01 | fusion94 | is away: grocery store for more guinness |
| 02:25:47 | roge99 | kergoth: all is well.... card fired right up |
| 02:25:58 | kergoth | k |
| 02:25:58 | kergoth | woot |
| 02:25:58 | kergoth | :-) |
| 02:26:04 | nasa | so does OZ do a better job installing programs to an SD/MMC card than the sharp rom |
| 02:26:08 | kergoth | JasonNJ-home: working on the spectrum driver.. trying to figure this shit out |
| 02:26:15 | JasonNJ-home | fusion: thank god. |
| 02:26:25 | kergoth | nasa: well, it doesnt take twice the space to install an app.. ;-) |
| 02:26:26 | JasonNJ-home | kergoth: we have an ipkg on ZaurusZone |
| 02:26:41 | JasonNJ-home | but notice the drivers in that archive replace some existing ones |
| 02:26:44 | kergoth | JasonNJ-home: yep I saw that. want me to alter that so you can install it to oz3 and have it work as a temporary solution? |
| 02:26:50 | kergoth | JasonNJ-home: yeah |
| 02:27:00 | nasa | That is a great improvement |
| 02:27:04 | JasonNJ-home | it adds a whole bunch of new profiles |
| 02:27:19 | JasonNJ-home | kerg: yeah that might not be bad as a temp solution |
| 02:27:27 | JasonNJ-home | but we definitely should get them built in |
| 02:27:36 | kergoth | yeah i'm on it |
| 02:27:41 | kergoth | i'll build a orinoco_cs package while i'm at it |
| 02:27:56 | kergoth | as orinoco_cs works for prism2 cards also.. people could use it with iwconfig if they like |
| 02:28:17 | JasonNJ-home | I love this socket card |
| 02:28:20 | JasonNJ-home | been using it all day |
| 02:30:32 | Austin | The low-power WLAN card? |
| 02:30:50 | JasonNJ-home | yes |
| 02:31:00 | Austin | It's supported by the Zaurus, now? |
| 02:31:04 | JasonNJ-home | as of today |
| 02:31:08 | Austin | Sweet. |
| 02:31:17 | JasonNJ-home | very |
| 02:31:22 | Austin | Glad I didn't buy one before now, then. |
| 02:31:45 | Austin | What's performance like? |
| 02:31:50 | JasonNJ-home | fast |
| 02:31:50 | Austin | (Range, power, etc.) |
| 02:31:52 | Austin | Nice. |
| 02:31:57 | JasonNJ-home | range is decent |
| 02:32:19 | JasonNJ-home | difficult to judge actual power because the wlanmonitor applet doesnt work with it |
| 02:32:27 | JasonNJ-home | it segfaults |
| 02:32:43 | Austin | Mmm. |
| 02:33:01 | Austin | How about general battery draw? |
| 02:33:18 | JasonNJ-home | very low |
| 02:33:26 | JasonNJ-home | especially in idle |
| 02:33:43 | Austin | Great. |
| 02:37:45 | Austin | will definitely shell out the extra cash for it, hopefully this month. |
| 02:40:58 | kergoth | JasonNJ-home: got the spectrum/socket driver built.. adding the ipk generation |
| 02:45:36 | kergoth | shit, the spectrum driver failed to patch my pcmcia-cs config file |
| 02:45:36 | kergoth | grr |
| 02:54:05 | JasonNJ-home | yeah you have to maunally modify /etc/pcmcia/config |
| 02:54:12 | roge99 | kergoth: are you gona put the latest oipkg in beta9 |
| 02:54:23 | JasonNJ-home | add a whole bunch of things in there from the spectrum.conf |
| 02:55:29 | JasonNJ-home | cheapest I have seen WL6000 is for 132 |
| 02:55:40 | kergoth | ah |
| 02:55:43 | kergoth | roge99: yeah |
| 02:55:49 | kergoth | JasonNJ-home: k, i'll add them in |
| 02:55:50 | roge99 | cooooool |
| 02:56:03 | JasonNJ-home | kerg: read the instructions |
| 02:56:05 | JasonNJ-home | it helps |
| 02:56:06 | JasonNJ-home | :) |
| 02:56:08 | kergoth | hehe |
| 02:56:10 | kergoth | oh fine |
| 02:56:29 | JasonNJ-home | that comes with some wirless tools too |
| 02:56:42 | kergoth | yeah, i had wireless-tools in the buildsystem for a long time now |
| 02:56:43 | kergoth | :-) |
| 02:56:46 | JasonNJ-home | that I wasnt able to test |
| 02:56:52 | kergoth | figured we'd need them eventually |
| 02:57:23 | JasonNJ-home | the wlan stuff is key to OZ progressing |
| 02:57:37 | kergoth | well I'm on it |
| 02:57:43 | kergoth | the wlan config app actually works now |
| 02:57:43 | JasonNJ-home | yep |
| 02:57:44 | kergoth | so thats something |
| 02:57:45 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:00:05 | roge99 | kergoth: alot of the stuff im trying to install keeps bitchen about being dependand on qpe-base is there a way to setup opie-base to also satisfy this dep |
| 03:00:56 | kergoth | roge99: err.. it should already be setup to do that.. |
| 03:00:57 | kergoth | hmm |
| 03:01:18 | roge99 | do i need to update it ?> |
| 03:05:08 | roge99 | hmmm seems im running the latest from your feed .... |
| 03:05:29 | kergoth | I'll look into it in a sec |
| 03:05:37 | kergoth | I'm beating the socket stuff into submission |
| 03:05:56 | roge99 | want to borrow a BIG hammer ?? |
| 03:06:15 | roge99 | :-) |
| 03:08:15 | flamingcow | kergoth: i updated it this afternoon |
| 03:08:17 | flamingcow | and had the same problem |
| 03:08:19 | flamingcow | had to force-deps to get konqueror to install |
| 03:08:23 | kergoth | grr |
| 03:08:26 | kergoth | I'll fix.. |
| 03:10:04 | ekkis | hey guys, I've downloaded and installed the latest version of the drivers for Win98 (if I look in the Device Manager I see SL Series (WDM) and properties tells me I have 1-31-2002 date for the driver)... however when I try to use the File Transfer feature I get an error message "Connection check TERMCMD_ERR_NETWORK_RESPONSE No response from partner".... can anyone help? |
| 03:12:26 | kergoth | bbiaf.. time to fix this shit so i can release oz3b99 |
| 03:13:45 | ekkis | am I supposed to run something on the Z so I can connect? |
| 03:14:48 | flamingcow | b99? |
| 03:15:21 | ekkis | flamingcow: is that for me? |
| 03:16:46 | roge99 | flamingcow: yea you didn't see the other 91 releases today ? |
| 03:17:07 | roge99 | :-) |
| 03:17:51 | flamingcow | hehehe |
| 03:17:53 | flamingcow | ekkis: no, i don't do windows, sorry |
| 03:20:36 | ekkis | I wish I didn't have to... are you on Linux? |
| 03:21:31 | ekkis | all I want to do is upgrade the ROM in my Z |
| 03:21:38 | ekkis | I bought the memory card needed |
| 03:21:43 | ekkis | but I can't get the file in there! |
| 03:23:58 | ljp | ekkis: did you set the ip address for the Z's connection? |
| 03:27:19 | nasa | what does wlan do? |
| 03:27:46 | roge99 | wireless network |
| 03:27:59 | nasa | ok |
| 03:28:15 | ekkis | ljp: on the CD with the drivers it stated I had to set it to 192.168.1.200 |
| 03:28:36 | ekkis | I've put that in the "Communication Options" box |
| 03:28:55 | roge99 | ljp: did you do that mic hack |
| 03:29:37 | ekkis | but I can't even ping it |
| 03:29:49 | ekkis | what am I missing?? |
| 03:30:01 | ekkis | arrgghhh... this is so frustrating! |
| 03:33:00 | ekkis | feeling urges to throw the Z across the street |
| 03:33:01 | ljp | roge99: yes I did.. I think I need a better mic tho, it sounds lik ecrap |
| 03:33:16 | ljp | ekkis: just mellow out... |
| 03:33:26 | roge99 | hmmm mine sounds pretty good |
| 03:33:46 | roge99 | you may want to check you joints |
| 03:33:48 | ekkis | just a long day of nothing working |
| 03:34:01 | ljp | ekkis: go to the device manager and see if the usb driver is installed |
| 03:34:40 | ekkis | I have the SL Series (WDM) installed |
| 03:34:57 | ljp | ekkis: boot up without the Z in the cradle |
| 03:35:05 | roge99 | i ended up shearing off the ground wire from the mike when re-assembleing ( had it in too far ) had to re-solder back to the mic |
| 03:35:23 | ekkis | ok.... |
| 03:35:29 | ekkis | booting |
| 03:35:55 | ljp | abd once it gets settled put it on the cradle |
| 03:36:12 | ekkis | k......... |
| 03:36:21 | ljp | roge99: ya thats a tight frickin fit! |
| 03:36:30 | roge99 | yep |
| 03:36:44 | ekkis | I found a reference to a similar problem.... http://more.sbc.co.jp/forum/dev2dev/srch.cgi but no solutions... |
| 03:36:46 | roge99 | what did you use to secure the mike |
| 03:37:09 | ljp | hot glue. I need to reposition it, tho |
| 03:37:16 | ljp | it sticks out too much |
| 03:37:17 | roge99 | same here |
| 03:37:28 | roge99 | you cant really go in any farther |
| 03:37:31 | ljp | 'super glue' heh |
| 03:37:57 | roge99 | if you heat the casing w/ the solder iron you can move it easyly |
| 03:38:08 | ljp | I positioned mine right by the ir window, away from the headphone jack |
| 03:38:31 | roge99 | im about halfway little closer to the top |
| 03:39:27 | ljp | has a Z that has a nipple now |
| 03:39:31 | roge99 | im thinking about building up around it w/ some bondo and repainting that area |
| 03:41:28 | ljp | I can push mine it.. |
| 03:41:49 | ljp | in |
| 03:42:14 | ekkis | ljp: I rebooted, waited for it to come up and reinserted the Z on its cradle... a message came up said something about unknown device... then another came up quickly said windows was installing the drivers then it went away... |
| 03:42:24 | ekkis | I've tried connecting to it but still no dice |
| 03:43:04 | ekkis | I notice that if I do an ifconfig on the Z the usbd0 says it's 192.168.1.201 |
| 03:43:20 | ekkis | I've tried setting that ip on the win98 client too but nix |
| 03:43:44 | ljp | ekkis: ping 192.168.1.201 |
| 03:43:55 | ekkis | pinging |
| 03:44:16 | ekkis | requests time out |
| 03:44:23 | ljp | ekkis: ping 192.168.1.200 |
| 03:44:36 | ekkis | same thing |
| 03:44:38 | roge99 | ekkis: your windows box is set to what |
| 03:44:47 | roge99 | 200 or 201 |
| 03:45:03 | ekkis | win09: 192.168.0.3 |
| 03:45:16 | ekkis | oh... you don't mean the nic in my win98 |
| 03:45:19 | roge99 | the usb interface |
| 03:45:31 | ekkis | I've set it to both without success |
| 03:45:44 | ekkis | right now it's set to 201 |
| 03:45:50 | roge99 | wrong |
| 03:45:52 | ljp | set it to 200 |
| 03:46:00 | roge99 | cant have two boxes w/ same address |
| 03:46:35 | ekkis | ah.... so it considers the connection on the w98 a nic with its own ip.... |
| 03:46:44 | W|GGL|T | had ekkis' problem last night |
| 03:46:52 | roge99 | right |
| 03:47:24 | W|GGL|T | is that why, when i ssh my Z when its in the cradle, it shows a login on my box? |
| 03:47:27 | ekkis | ok... I set the w98 to 200 and tried to ping 201 but no dice |
| 03:47:45 | roge99 | did you reboot (47 times) |
| 03:48:00 | ekkis | lol |
| 03:48:02 | ekkis | no |
| 03:48:09 | ekkis | I'll reboot again then |
| 03:48:25 | roge99 | can you ping 200 from the winblows box |
| 03:48:58 | ekkis | it's just coming up..... |
| 03:49:49 | flamingcow | http://ares.penguinhosting.net/~ian/zaurus/ |
| 03:50:18 | flamingcow | if anyone wants OZ in a saner dir layout |
| 03:51:43 | ekkis | it came back up... so... communications options are: USB 192.168.1.200 |
| 03:51:59 | ekkis | I've tried pinging either 200 or 201 but nothing |
| 03:52:12 | roge99 | so windows cant even ping itself |
| 03:52:33 | ljp | did BOTH drivers get installed? |
| 03:53:32 | ekkis | what do you mean both? |
| 03:54:08 | ekkis | I see a "SL Series (WDM)" in the Device Manager |
| 03:54:10 | ljp | there's two drvers that get installed. I've had problems before because windows only installed on of them |
| 03:54:23 | ekkis | oh........ |
| 03:54:41 | ekkis | how do I know which I haven't got installed? |
| 03:54:53 | W|GGL|T | NDIS is the other one |
| 03:55:26 | ekkis | ah...... |
| 03:55:49 | ekkis | I see a network adapter that got installed (SL Series NDIS 5) that has a problem.... |
| 03:56:42 | ekkis | says the device is either not present, not working properly or does not have all the drivers installed |
| 03:56:48 | ekkis | so I'm missing stuff |
| 03:57:02 | ljp | just reimstall that driver |
| 03:57:08 | ekkis | I could hit the "Update Driver" and see if I can fix it that way..... |
| 03:57:13 | ekkis | ok..... |
| 04:03:01 | ljp | damn linksys router |
| 04:05:54 | ljp | can anybody hear me now? |
| 04:06:13 | nasa | sure can |
| 04:06:48 | ljp | oh good.. linksys switches can really suck |
| 04:08:14 | ljp | hehehe switched from a linksys switch that lost yet another port to a router that is beginning to loose ports |
| 04:11:59 | ekkis | AH!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 04:12:12 | W|GGL|T | not working? |
| 04:12:55 | ekkis | once I understood that there was a NIC in the w98 machine everything (almost) fell into place... I had to reinstall the driver and reconfigure the TCP/IP settings (which ('d never done) and now I can ping both addresses |
| 04:13:31 | ekkis | but now I get the message: "This version of FileTransfer does not match the version on your Zaurus. Filet Transer will now exit" |
| 04:13:36 | ekkis | agh! |
| 04:14:00 | ekkis | I got the latest version from the myzaurus.com site... |
| 04:14:19 | ekkis | I guess I'll have to uninstall and reinstall from the original CD |
| 04:14:27 | W|GGL|T | you are further than ive gotten |
| 04:14:44 | ekkis | really? I share your pain |
| 04:14:57 | ekkis | but I understand this thing better now |
| 04:15:04 | shoe | stares at kergoth |
| 04:34:23 | ekkis | ljp: you still around? |
| 04:34:27 | ljp | yes |
| 04:34:33 | ekkis | cool... |
| 04:34:42 | ekkis | I've uninstalled Intellisync and |
| 04:34:54 | ekkis | installed the qtopia desktop thingy |
| 04:34:56 | ljp | I needed to install the Z to my win98 partition on my laptop anyway |
| 04:35:29 | ljp | ok |
| 04:35:32 | ekkis | I've gone and clicked on upload but it doesn't allow me to select where to dump the file... it just gets stuck at 75% probably because there isn't enough space on the machine |
| 04:35:48 | ekkis | I have a 64M memory card |
| 04:36:02 | ekkis | but I don't know how to tell qtopia that's where I want to put the file |
| 04:36:03 | ljp | you can ping 192.168.1.201? |
| 04:36:10 | ekkis | yes |
| 04:36:22 | ljp | aahh ok.. do you have a ftp client? |
| 04:36:26 | ekkis | I tried to ftp into the thing but it doesn't let me |
| 04:36:54 | ljp | try 192.168.1.201 port 4242 username : root no password |
| 04:37:36 | ekkis | I can't specify the port on the commandline for win98 and it doesn't also have a port command... how do you do it? |
| 04:37:58 | ljp | 192.168.1.201:4242 |
| 04:38:22 | ekkis | if I try that at the commandline it says unknown host |
| 04:38:30 | ekkis | I've also tried with a space |
| 04:38:43 | ekkis | and with the "open" command inside of ftp |
| 04:39:21 | W|GGL|T | adduser can be used on the Z with no problems? (heard adduser screws up some things on the Z) |
| 04:39:26 | ekkis | ah! a space |
| 04:39:32 | ekkis | with the open command works |
| 04:39:42 | ljp | are you in? |
| 04:40:16 | ekkis | I'm in! |
| 04:40:22 | ekkis | I'm uploading now... |
| 04:40:35 | ljp | your cf is at /mnt/cf if you didn't already know |
| 04:40:51 | ekkis | oops... Connection closed by remote host "Netout: 10054" |
| 04:41:00 | ekkis | I went to /var/mnt/cf |
| 04:41:34 | ljp | when you flash your new rom, you'll have to update qtopiadesktop and the default ip changes for the Z |
| 04:41:52 | ljp | to 192.168.129.201 |
| 04:41:57 | ljp | err 200 |
| 04:42:02 | ekkis | now I can't connect... I get: ftp: connect: 10061 |
| 04:42:39 | ljp | uses windows commander to ftp when on winders |
| 04:43:02 | ekkis | I'll try a differnt client |
| 04:46:09 | ApoXX- | Zic :) |
| 04:50:20 | W|GGL|T | when i attempt to ping my Z through usb0, i see network activity at the loopback device. i assume this isnt normal |
| 04:50:43 | ekkis | aha..... the reason I can't ftp into the Z is cuz it froze.... |
| 04:50:49 | ekkis | I can't even turn it off |
| 04:51:05 | narowmind | bah.. forget ftp.. install ssh |
| 04:51:25 | ekkis | dude, I'm lucky that I can even ping this thing |
| 04:51:49 | narowmind | just if you use the ipks make sure you only install once.. and replace the password file witht he backup.. the ipks has a tendency to trash your /etc/passwd file for no good reason |
| 04:52:25 | narowmind | I hosed my qpe but was still able to ssh in and grab a some files.. made restore a little easier |
| 04:53:13 | Guru | hey all |
| 04:54:20 | Guru | has anyone tried the X server for Qtopia? |
| 04:55:16 | ekkis | ok... had to hard down the Z.. brought it back up and he's happily swallowing the file.... |
| 04:55:24 | ekkis | done! |
| 04:55:36 | ekkis | I'm so happy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 04:56:08 | ekkis | 1 million thanks to all you guys, especially ljp for the time and patience |
| 04:56:43 | ekkis | now I gotta go do dinner... I got people waiting for me! |
| 04:59:20 | Guru | any news? |
| 05:00:30 | narowmind | Any one use designer? it seems that its hideing a bunch of properties that are in the docs.. but not available in the tool.. |
| 05:03:51 | Guru | has anyone gotten IMAP to work on the Z? it connects to my server but then downloads every file on the server whether its mail or not |
| 05:04:47 | narowmind | Guru: I got it working. then stopped using it.. I need to reinstall stunnel |
| 05:04:54 | Guru | I just want it to download files in my INBOX dir |
| 05:05:50 | Guru | narowmind: IMAP or POP? |
| 05:05:56 | narowmind | imap |
| 05:06:33 | narowmind | Guru : I still recomend using ssl(stunnel) imap like pop is a great place to sniff passwords |
| 05:06:49 | Guru | how do you specify what dir it downloads mail from? |
| 05:07:27 | narowmind | hangon let me look at the app again. |
| 05:07:52 | Guru | does the mail app in the Z support stunnel? |
| 05:07:59 | narowmind | yes and no.. |
| 05:08:32 | Guru | (im on my Z right now) |
| 05:08:46 | Guru | how do you mean? |
| 05:08:47 | narowmind | Guru : I think you can make is part of the server name. |
| 05:08:47 | ljp | ekkis: glad to be of some help. :D |
| 05:09:04 | ljp | ohh he left.. hehehe oh wel |
| 05:09:21 | narowmind | Guru : server/dir |
| 05:10:06 | narowmind | Guru : really I just started stunnle as a client.. on my local port 143.. to connect to my remove imaps server |
| 05:10:06 | Guru | I tried imap.server.com/inbox |
| 05:10:07 | Guru | and it said invalid server |
| 05:10:33 | narowmind | thus the mail program connects to local host.. but stunnel connects to the remote box |
| 05:10:43 | Guru | ahh. |
| 05:10:48 | narowmind | hm.. maybe I didnt specify it. |
| 05:11:06 | narowmind | most people use inbox (Inbox) |
| 05:11:14 | Guru | still wondering how to specify the dir |
| 05:11:34 | Guru | I use that too |
| 05:13:10 | Guru | but somehow the Z dwnloads every file in my home dir on the servr and thinks its a mail |
| 05:14:02 | Guru | you did nothing to specify the dir? |
| 05:16:18 | Com[Plex] | how can I make an application pop up a little confirmation window on exit? - you know, like add something to the source that tells it to ask "are you sure" when you hit the cancel button? |
| 05:16:29 | Com[Plex] | it cant be very difficult.. |
| 05:16:30 | Com[Plex] | can it? |
| 05:19:00 | Guru | I dont think so |
| 05:20:42 | Guru | u should check the Qt documentation |
| 05:23:26 | Guru | argh |
| 05:24:08 | Guru | IMAP doesn't work well |
| 05:45:08 | ekkis | ok that was quick dinner |
| 05:45:12 | ekkis | anyone still around? |
| 05:45:18 | Com[Plex] | nope |
| 05:45:24 | ekkis | hey |
| 05:45:35 | ekkis | have you ever done a ROM image upgrade? |
| 05:45:42 | Com[Plex] | all the time |
| 05:45:49 | ekkis | xlnt |
| 05:46:13 | ekkis | I put the latest image on a CF memory card and followed instructions |
| 05:46:19 | ekkis | both leds lit |
| 05:46:45 | ekkis | but then only one turned off.. and now I'm looking at a screen that ways I should enter in my root password |
| 05:46:59 | ekkis | (or type Control-D for normal startup) |
| 05:47:12 | ekkis | how do I type control-D? |
| 05:47:16 | ekkis | there's no control key! |
| 05:48:09 | ekkis | also, I'm getting an error message that says: An error occurred during the file system check...." |
| 05:48:13 | ekkis | help!!!! |
| 05:51:26 | Guru | thevirtual keyboard has a ctrl key |
| 05:52:11 | ekkis | virtual? |
| 05:52:13 | Bala | i thought shift space was control |
| 05:52:28 | Bala | on that keyboard |
| 05:53:03 | Guru | the software keyboard. im using it right now |
| 05:54:01 | ekkis | there is no software keyboard... I'm looking at a linux prompt.... |
| 05:54:22 | Guru | why did you flash your ROM? for OPIE? |
| 05:55:31 | ekkis | no, for the 1.13 version |
| 05:55:44 | ekkis | which supposedly works with a wireless nic I just bought |
| 05:55:51 | Guru | hmm... there is a pdf file floating around with all the keystrokes in it |
| 05:57:50 | ekkis | well.. I just pressed the FULL RESET button in the back and it seemed to come up ok |
| 05:58:03 | ekkis | so I don't know what the error messages were about |
| 05:58:10 | ekkis | but they were sure scary! |
| 05:59:19 | Guru | Ive been using my Z for the past 1.5hrs w\802.11b and my bat meter still shows ''good" |
| 06:00:34 | Guru | the error messages were probably filesystem errors |
| 06:01:11 | Guru | i.e. reset w |
| 06:01:27 | Guru | without shutdown |
| 06:02:27 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 06:02:41 | Com[Plex] | I just made a startup screen that matches my zauruss paint job :> |
| 06:02:43 | Com[Plex] | [12PIMP] http://me.256k.net/casemod/ZAURUS-MODS/ |
| 06:03:04 | Guru | gnite all |
| 06:03:12 | ekkis | nite Guru |
| 06:03:15 | ekkis | thx for input |
| 06:03:19 | Guru | im outta here |
| 06:03:27 | Guru | no prob |
| 06:04:23 | Com[Plex] | now im gonna make my VNC server to match as well :> |
| 06:04:25 | ekkis | Com[Plex]: your Z looks diff from mine |
| 06:04:38 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 06:04:43 | Com[Plex] | thats because I Painted it :> |
| 06:05:00 | ekkis | you did??????? |
| 06:05:03 | ekkis | how funny! |
| 06:05:05 | Com[Plex] | yeah |
| 06:05:17 | ekkis | what are the antennae looking thingys? |
| 06:05:27 | Com[Plex] | ? |
| 06:05:55 | ekkis | nevermind, I get it know... it's edges of the cover flipped up |
| 06:06:01 | Com[Plex] | you mean, the plastic lid? or the compact flash with the stylus sticking out? |
| 06:06:03 | Com[Plex] | ah yes |
| 06:06:19 | W|GGL|T | wow...nice paintjob |
| 06:06:20 | ekkis | what nic do you use? |
| 06:06:53 | W|GGL|T | there's no way i would attempt to paint my Z! |
| 06:07:20 | ekkis | I know... that's scary |
| 06:07:29 | ekkis | but it looks cool |
| 06:07:54 | Com[Plex] | well, I do a lot of custom stuff. |
| 06:07:56 | Com[Plex] | http://me.256k.net/casemod/ |
| 06:08:14 | Com[Plex] | I use a hawkings CF wireless, and a hawkings CF nic. |
| 06:08:27 | ekkis | guys! there's vi in this image!!!!!!! coolness |
| 06:08:43 | Com[Plex] | if I had to buy new ones, I probably wouldnt get hawkings again. |
| 06:08:48 | Com[Plex] | vi in what image? |
| 06:08:55 | W|GGL|T | wait...is your Z blue or green? |
| 06:08:56 | Com[Plex] | oh, yeah, vi in this rom |
| 06:08:59 | Com[Plex] | blue |
| 06:09:03 | W|GGL|T | it looks green in the first few pics |
| 06:09:04 | Com[Plex] | the cam sucks |
| 06:09:07 | Com[Plex] | yeah :< |
| 06:09:13 | Com[Plex] | the last few are better |
| 06:09:23 | Com[Plex] | in the daylight this thing looks intense. |
| 06:09:28 | W|GGL|T | very nice paintjob though |
| 06:09:47 | Com[Plex] | now I have a custom bootup logo that matches the paint job :> very well lined up too |
| 06:09:51 | Com[Plex] | thanx :> |
| 06:10:10 | ekkis | hey, how do I do escape on this thing? |
| 06:10:24 | Com[Plex] | hit cancel |
| 06:10:33 | Com[Plex] | it works as an escape in terminal |
| 06:10:55 | Com[Plex] | the VI in this is a little dummer than the real vi |
| 06:10:59 | Com[Plex] | but it works about as well |
| 06:11:11 | Com[Plex] | it just doesnt tell yuo when its inserting or not.. |
| 06:11:16 | Com[Plex] | and some other things |
| 06:11:33 | ekkis | good enuf for me |
| 06:11:46 | ekkis | I was on 1.02 and just now came up on 1.13 |
| 06:11:56 | ekkis | so I'm happy pups |
| 06:12:15 | ekkis | Com[Plex]: actual girl is very cute |
| 06:12:19 | Com[Plex] | hehe |
| 06:12:39 | Com[Plex] | shes got an even better body.. :> |
| 06:12:46 | Com[Plex] | I cant get over it. lol |
| 06:12:55 | ekkis | your girl? |
| 06:13:16 | ekkis | that case is freaky |
| 06:15:24 | ekkis | that's like a relly serious stereo |
| 06:20:01 | Com[Plex] | yeah, my girlfriend, sort of. |
| 06:20:04 | Com[Plex] | hehe |
| 06:20:23 | Com[Plex] | yeah, its even bigger now, got a rackmoubnt server in the bottom of it |
| 06:20:24 | ekkis | is this thing watercooled?? |
| 06:20:30 | Com[Plex] | yeah, I make water blocks |
| 06:20:31 | ekkis | is that why the hoses? |
| 06:20:33 | Com[Plex] | http://me.256k.net/casemod/TUTORIALS/copper_video_block/ |
| 06:20:37 | Com[Plex] | http://me.256k.net/casemod/TUTORIALS/new_blocks/ |
| 06:20:40 | ekkis | looks cooler than shit in the dark! |
| 06:20:42 | Com[Plex] | yep. |
| 06:20:45 | Com[Plex] | :> |
| 06:21:13 | Com[Plex] | won some prizes for coolest case before too |
| 06:21:21 | ekkis | what's the copper block all about? |
| 06:22:14 | ekkis | oh I see....... |
| 06:22:18 | Com[Plex] | its a heat transfer device. - copper transfers heat ebtter than anything, - cept for silver, and "CuAg" |
| 06:22:20 | ekkis | this is some wild stuff |
| 06:22:45 | Com[Plex] | theres a path milled out and water flows through that, the block clamps to the cpu core, drawingt heat away and into the water, where it runs through a little raqdiator |
| 06:22:54 | Com[Plex] | works like a charm |
| 06:22:59 | Com[Plex] | very VERY quiet too |
| 06:23:31 | ekkis | yeah... noise is a big factor... I've only got 3 computers here at home but it's a lot of noise |
| 06:23:43 | ekkis | would love to get rid of the fans |
| 06:24:29 | W|GGL|T | is away: I'm busy smoking a blunt or sleeping or something |
| 06:45:35 | narowmind | any one know where the source to the new oz wlan app is ? |
| 06:53:28 | | Com[Plex]: i'm not following you... |
| 06:53:28 | Com[Plex] | ibot wlan |
| 06:53:30 | Com[Plex] | hmm |
| 06:53:56 | narowmind | ugh.... |
| 06:54:04 | narowmind | doesnt like how kergoth uses cvs |
| 06:54:43 | Com[Plex] | why? |
| 06:55:12 | narowmind | he has a pile of tgz sources.. not just the source in the supository |
| 06:55:27 | narowmind | and then hacks out a make file per package.. ala /usr/ports |
| 07:00:58 | BZFlag | narowmind: and what's wrong with that? |
| 07:01:27 | BZFlag | you would prefer he keeps all the sources? and then be out of date with each package as the upstream maintainer makes new releases? |
| 07:01:53 | narowmind | BZFlag : when I use webcvs.. I want to tool around in the source.. find what find the source (app) that Im intrested in and then know what I need to check out.. |
| 07:02:20 | narowmind | checking binaries into cvs is just wrong ( cringe) |
| 07:02:23 | BZFlag | do you get links from the url in the package makefile in webcvs? |
| 07:02:37 | BZFlag | he's checking binaries in? ouch. |
| 07:02:43 | narowmind | ya. I have to download the package.. and then open up.. and then see if thats what Im looking for. |
| 07:02:52 | narowmind | BZFlag yep.. a tgz is a binary |
| 07:03:33 | narowmind | he should check in all the sources into one place (eg contrib) and then do his makefile magic somewhere else.. |
| 07:04:08 | BZFlag | where are the .tgz files? |
| 07:04:18 | narowmind | bah..I shouldnt complain.. Im not working on it.. but then again.. often when I see things I dont like.. I tend not to contribute |
| 07:05:00 | BZFlag | hmm... sources/openzaurus.tar.gz looks like the only one I see. |
| 07:05:33 | BZFlag | most sources go in source/dl/* when you run make. |
| 07:05:48 | narowmind | http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/openzaurus/buildroot-oz/sources/ |
| 07:06:19 | BZFlag | on TuxScreen (where his make system came from) erik and I have a "make source" that will just got and fetch everything without building. |
| 07:06:38 | narowmind | heh |
| 07:06:40 | BZFlag | narowmind: only one tgz in there. though there are lots of patch.gz files. |
| 07:06:48 | narowmind | it reminds me of /usr/ports (bsd) |
| 07:06:49 | Rince | goood morning |
| 07:07:04 | BZFlag | ok, a few more than one... |
| 07:07:14 | narowmind | BZFlag patches should not.. NOT be binaries |
| 07:07:21 | BZFlag | narowmind: similar concept. |
| 07:07:42 | Rince | shall get his Z today... *jumpupanddown* |
| 07:07:45 | BZFlag | patches SHOULD be treated as binaries. whether they are gzipped or not. |
| 07:07:58 | narowmind | uh.. no. |
| 07:08:00 | Rince | question: there was a top 10-List of programs to download... where can I find that one? |
| 07:08:03 | BZFlag | uh, yes. |
| 07:08:37 | narowmind | not everyone makes clean patchs.. often cruft may slip in.. and thus the patch needs to be 'fixed' |
| 07:08:44 | BZFlag | keyword expansion on patches is a bad idea. though -ka or kb sould both work. |
| 07:09:46 | BZFlag | the only patches in sources/* are ones created just for OZ. other patches are DLed to sources/dl from the parent site. |
| 07:09:48 | narowmind | BZFlag keyword expansion is awsome if the source is going to live under cvs.. it allow you to annotate..and see exactly which version something is.. makes conflict resolution alot easier |
| 07:11:06 | BZFlag | narowmind: uh, lets see.. my patch touches the rcs flags in 8 different files. I check in the patch. whoops! all those patches to not apply anymore. as cvs just changed both the original rcs flag as well as the changed value. |
| 07:11:34 | BZFlag | congrats. you now have a broken patch file. |
| 07:13:15 | BZFlag | at least you have version control, right? ... wrong. the broken patch is the only thing CVS has. |
| 07:14:03 | BZFlag | no way to get back to the original patch file. |
| 07:15:01 | | Rince: sorry... |
| 07:15:01 | Rince | ibot: TopTen |
| 07:15:04 | | Rince: what? |
| 07:15:04 | Rince | ibot: Ten |
| 07:15:09 | | rumour has it faq is at http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/zaurus-faq/ or at http://www.handhelds.org/handhelds-faq/handhelds-faq.html |
| 07:15:09 | Rince | ibot: faq |
| 07:26:39 | | OK, killefiz. |
| 07:26:39 | killefiz | ibot: topten is http://killefiz.de/zaurus/topten.php |
| 07:33:11 | narowmind | BZFlag : I hear opie has a new wlansetup tool.. but I didnt see it in the opie sources? any idea where it would be ? |
| 07:38:50 | BZFlag | narowmind: nope, have not used it yet. |
| 07:38:55 | narowmind | hm. |
| 08:02:21 | narowmind | bz: have you used the arm cross compilers ? it looks like my host librarys are wiggout the linker. eg. it finds _init in libqpe.so and .../i386-redhat-linux/...crti.o |
| 08:04:50 | narowmind | ugh.. Im lame.. bad makefiles. |
| 08:46:21 | BZFlag | yep, bad makefiles. ;-) |
| 08:46:40 | narowmind | heh.. your hella lagged.. that was a while ago =) |
| 08:48:34 | BZFlag | yepper. hackin away. |
| 08:48:56 | narowmind | bah.. my lame little app werks.. now Im icon shopping. |
| 10:25:30 | narowmind | damn mkipks sucks my nutz |
| 10:26:05 | Twiun | narowmind I've had much more fun using ipkg-build |
| 10:42:22 | narowmind | Twiun: hm.. its ont in my distro |
| 10:49:15 | Twiun | no, I know... it's in the ipkg cvs from handhelds.org |
| 10:49:24 | Twiun | I've got a mirror of it at adorphuye.com/files |
| 10:49:46 | narowmind | ha.. google found a copy of it.. |
| 10:49:58 | Twiun | cool ;-) |
| 10:50:08 | narowmind | I got mkipks 90% working now .. but it still sucks |
| 10:50:18 | narowmind | ipkg-build looks rather nasty as well.. |
| 10:50:31 | Twiun | nah, it's very simple to use |
| 10:50:40 | Twiun | honest |
| 10:50:43 | narowmind | heh. |
| 10:51:10 | Twiun | it's ipkg-build (sourcedir) (destdir) |
| 10:51:19 | Twiun | you just need to follow a few rules |
| 10:51:45 | Twiun | want me to go through them? |
| 10:52:49 | narowmind | the sourcedir is looks like what? |
| 10:53:05 | narowmind | can I just drop all the files in there and have it build up the tree as needed ? |
| 10:53:33 | Twiun | it should have a CONTROL directory and your stuff |
| 10:53:39 | Twiun | so, for instance, mine has: |
| 10:53:48 | Twiun | a CONTROL dir, and a opt dir |
| 10:53:56 | narowmind | bah.. thats gay. |
| 10:53:58 | Twiun | the control file goes into the CONTROL dir |
| 10:54:19 | Twiun | (so do the oreinst/postinst scripts) |
| 10:54:27 | narowmind | lame |
| 10:54:30 | Twiun | /oreinst/preinst/ |
| 10:54:40 | narowmind | the control file already has the paths.... |
| 10:55:07 | Twiun | mine doesn't |
| 10:55:13 | Twiun | and doesn't need them |
| 10:55:39 | narowmind | the script should just make a empty tree in /tmp/(yada yada) and then place each file in the correct place.. then tar,gzip and whamo. |
| 10:56:06 | Twiun | your call. I prefer ipkg-build to mkipk |
| 10:59:04 | narowmind | bah.. now its building the package.. but the package isnt recorded when its installed.. no info at all. |
| 10:59:05 | narowmind | lame |
| 10:59:36 | Twiun | what do you mean the package isn't recorded? |
| 11:00:34 | narowmind | I do ipkg install <ipk> |
| 11:00:42 | narowmind | then I do ipkg list |
| 11:00:46 | narowmind | and its not listed |
| 11:00:57 | Twiun | afaik ipkg list is broken anyway |
| 11:01:08 | Twiun | the ipkg on the Z blows |
| 11:01:22 | narowmind | naw.. it works for other ipks |
| 11:02:03 | Twiun | all of them? |
| 11:02:30 | Twiun | because ipkg-build and mkipk should produce identical files |
| 11:02:59 | narowmind | they wont be identical.. iv looked at both scripts.. |
| 11:03:22 | Twiun | nevertheless, they _should_ be |
| 11:05:26 | narowmind | bah thats lame.. if you download a pkg and install it it wont record the info |
| 11:05:36 | narowmind | it just extracts it from the network lists.. |
| 11:05:42 | narowmind | lamos |
| 11:16:09 | narowmind | woohoo it werks.. and even gives info if you use the gui ipkg installer |
| 11:17:48 | sitruC | did oz9 make it out last night? |
| 11:18:55 | narowmind | dunno |
| 11:19:11 | narowmind | I think the latest I saw on sf was 8.something |
| 11:20:07 | narowmind | why is that all of the scriptkidded live in .tw ? |
| 11:20:34 | Jonmann | You're forgetting *.pl and *.it. ;) |
| 11:20:41 | narowmind | heh |
| 11:20:55 | narowmind | hm. and whats this proxyscan.openprojects.net ? |
| 11:21:04 | narowmind | trying to open up to my telnet ?... |
| 11:55:47 | gashish | narowmind: they are checking for bad open services |
| 11:56:01 | gashish | telnet of course being one of them :) |
| 11:56:07 | narowmind | f them |
| 11:56:29 | narowmind | they are lucky Im no longer running my shotgun scripts |
| 12:27:42 | flamingcow | sitruc; i can't find it, and kergoth didn't mention it |
| 12:46:32 | surge | anyone know where the configuration files for qt are stored? there symlinks all over the place! |
| 13:12:21 | Com[Plex] | weeee |
| 13:12:40 | Com[Plex] | follow the symlinks. |
| 13:12:59 | Com[Plex] | anyone here have a problem installing zic to SD? |
| 13:25:46 | Hellaenergy | Good day everyone |
| 13:26:51 | Hellaenergy | Is there a newer version of intellisync for SL than version 1.1? |
| 13:26:59 | Hellaenergy | This version is crap |
| 13:29:32 | benmeyer | kergoth: around? |
| 13:30:17 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 13:30:36 | Com[Plex] | I installed intelesync on the first day, then I uninstalled it |
| 13:30:37 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 13:30:48 | Com[Plex] | havent even seen my cradle since january. I kid you not |
| 13:37:05 | surge | Lineo Embedix Linux(TM) |
| 13:37:07 | surge | Copyright 1999-2000 Lineo, Inc. |
| 13:37:11 | surge | oops |
| 13:41:10 | JasonNJ | morning |
| 13:41:20 | roge99 | morning JasonNJ |
| 13:43:37 | Twiun | Heya Jason |
| 13:43:39 | roge99 | dosent look like kergoth got 9 out yet |
| 13:47:10 | killefiz_work | QTJim is out |
| 13:47:17 | killefiz_work | http://www.telecom.tuc.gr/~perak/utils/qtjim/index.html |
| 13:47:25 | killefiz_work | free jabber client for Z |
| 13:47:52 | Com[Plex] | nice :> |
| 14:04:40 | JasonNJ | heya. |
| 14:04:51 | JasonNJ | anyone know of a simple way to reset the dhcp lease on a Z? |
| 14:05:03 | JasonNJ | I think I am being leased an already existing IP |
| 14:05:18 | roge99 | all the config is in /etc/dhcpd |
| 14:05:37 | JasonNJ | I just want to release my ip and renew it |
| 14:06:22 | roge99 | dhcpcd -k |
| 14:06:29 | surge | argh, where are the damn language settings on this thing!! |
| 14:06:50 | Twiun | language settings? sorry you've lost me there |
| 14:06:51 | surge | tears hair out |
| 14:07:01 | roge99 | err |
| 14:07:05 | roge99 | dhcpcd -n |
| 14:07:08 | Twiun | surge: what are you trying to do? |
| 14:07:25 | roge99 | -k shuts it down i think |
| 14:07:39 | surge | Twiun: what makes helpbrowser use /home/Qtopia/doc/de/html instead of /home/Qtopia/doc/html ? |
| 14:08:05 | surge | Twiun: i bought a german one, but my german sucks, i want it in english |
| 14:08:33 | Twiun | hrmm... not sure, could be either an env variable,a config file or it could be compiled in |
| 14:08:37 | ljp_work | surge: do a symlink |
| 14:08:48 | surge | at least the help |
| 14:09:05 | JasonNJ | -n doesnt do anything |
| 14:09:15 | JasonNJ | it just gives me an error about syntax |
| 14:09:21 | Twiun | JasonNJ: btw Opera can't load a url from the command line even though it says it can |
| 14:09:22 | JasonNJ | -k does kill it |
| 14:09:31 | surge | Twiun: theres no LANG env var, which is where this kind of stuff is normally kept on real linux |
| 14:10:03 | surge | Twiun: god i hope its not compiled in. |
| 14:10:18 | roge99 | -n should try to renew the lease |
| 14:10:20 | surge | hmm, if i rm -rf /home, will it be restored on a full reset? |
| 14:10:40 | surge | the initial os is exctracted from the 16M ROM right? |
| 14:10:45 | roge99 | surge: on sharp roms |
| 14:11:38 | W|GGL|T | is back (gone 07:47:08) |
| 14:11:56 | surge | ok, here goes... |
| 14:13:15 | surge | hah, nice |
| 14:14:09 | Twiun | surge: any luck? |
| 14:14:16 | surge | do i understand correctly that the openzaurus rom can use the 16MB rom as read/write? |
| 14:14:21 | surge | Twiun: yeh symlink worked |
| 14:14:28 | benmeyer | yup |
| 14:14:34 | surge | help is now in english :) |
| 14:14:36 | Twiun | surge: Yeah, althou OZ is still a little incomplete ;-) |
| 14:14:46 | benmeyer | although I think that a few mb shoudl be read-only |
| 14:15:16 | surge | Twiun: ok. dont think ill try it yet... i just want a PDA as #1 priority, not a toy to play with |
| 14:15:19 | Twiun | benmeyer: for the boot loader, right? |
| 14:15:31 | surge | but will be nice to have extra 16MB |
| 14:15:53 | benmeyer | no, for the base os so if you screw it up hitting the hard reset will make it ok |
| 14:16:32 | Twiun | benmeyer: Hmmm, then it would probably be best if it was rw, but mounted ro |
| 14:16:39 | benmeyer | But the rest being jff is cool |
| 14:16:40 | Twiun | so it can be updated easily |
| 14:17:12 | roge99 | JasonNJ: if your haveing trouble w/ dhcpcd start it from command line w/ -d ( start syslogd and klogd first ) and check the logs |
| 14:17:22 | surge | i cant understand why the dont just give all 64/32M as memory, and use a ram disk for storage. |
| 14:17:49 | surge | technically one could then recreate it to whatever size they want on the fly |
| 14:17:55 | JasonNJ | nah I just made benmeyer reboot his unit |
| 14:17:59 | JasonNJ | :) |
| 14:18:21 | roge99 | JasonNJ: i just thru mine in debug mode -n seems to work |
| 14:18:39 | roge99 | did you specify the interface |
| 14:18:40 | JasonNJ | roge are you on OZ or sharp rom |
| 14:18:44 | roge99 | OZ |
| 14:18:48 | JasonNJ | yeah I did -n eth0 |
| 14:18:55 | roge99 | hmmm |
| 14:18:57 | JasonNJ | teh socket shows up as eth0 not wlan0 |
| 14:19:00 | JasonNJ | its weird |
| 14:19:28 | roge99 | if you start dhcpcd w -d it prints out all thats going on to /var/log/messages |
| 14:19:34 | roge99 | if your runninig syslogd |
| 14:19:51 | roge99 | you on OZ or sharp rom |
| 14:21:09 | surge | anyone happened to port `strings` to arm yet? :) |
| 14:21:10 | JasonNJ | sharp |
| 14:21:14 | JasonNJ | on my main box |
| 14:21:19 | JasonNJ | we have a dedicated OZ unit |
| 14:21:24 | JasonNJ | that I leave separate |
| 14:21:28 | JasonNJ | otherwise I would go nuts |
| 14:22:06 | roge99 | absolutly ( i figured you had 3 or 4 just for debug purposes ) |
| 14:23:26 | benmeyer | http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/ui.shtml |
| 14:23:30 | benmeyer | Feedback please |
| 14:23:34 | benmeyer | is it too harsh? |
| 14:24:20 | warmi | colorwise ? |
| 14:24:24 | benmeyer | text wise |
| 14:24:32 | benmeyer | also added a links page |
| 14:24:42 | benmeyer | I pretty much bash a number of apps |
| 14:24:50 | benmeyer | Cut out most of it |
| 14:24:56 | benmeyer | but hopefully people will still get the point |
| 14:26:14 | warmi | it is not too harsh |
| 14:26:20 | Twiun | looks ok... you could be harsher ;-) |
| 14:26:49 | benmeyer | Ok as long as it helps someone I will be happy :) |
| 14:28:24 | benmeyer | Hey on the default rom is there a way to reboot the machine using ftp? |
| 14:28:28 | warmi | yeah, very good points about Zaurus intended audience |
| 14:28:39 | Twiun | benmeyer: using FTP? |
| 14:28:56 | Twiun | laughs |
| 14:29:01 | warmi | hehehe |
| 14:29:16 | warmi | unless you find a way to crash it and take down the kernel with it |
| 14:29:19 | warmi | lol |
| 14:29:25 | Twiun | starts looking for the ftp rfc ;-) |
| 14:29:50 | Com[Plex] | benmeyer: lol. cvery well ssaid. |
| 14:29:52 | Twiun | afaik ftp is exactly that... *file* transferprotocol |
| 14:30:44 | Com[Plex] | you should add a little comment in there, under topic number three, that if someones actually going to PAY for the app, then the thing should ABSOLUTELY work out of the box |
| 14:31:02 | warmi | nah, he shouldn't |
| 14:31:15 | warmi | people who make apps free will thing they are off the hook |
| 14:31:18 | warmi | hehe |
| 14:34:02 | benmeyer | I would love to give away ui books as contest prizes |
| 14:34:12 | benmeyer | make the developers a little better |
| 14:34:31 | benmeyer | It is pretty pitifull what a lot of developers think they know about ui |
| 14:35:00 | warmi | you talking from you experience judging contest entries ? |
| 14:35:07 | benmeyer | I ended up giving a number of seminars at RIT so that the students would have at least a basic knowledge |
| 14:35:11 | ljp_work | why, so we can all be brainwashed into thinking what somebody else think is a good gui, is THE way to do things? |
| 14:35:15 | benmeyer | experiance |
| 14:35:27 | benmeyer | But the contest entries wern't all that great ui wise either |
| 14:36:12 | benmeyer | Well once you get an insite into why they think something is good then a developer will be mor likely to make more general ui improvments |
| 14:36:23 | benmeyer | You can't learn theory before practice |
| 14:37:01 | warmi | Windows rules here ... |
| 14:37:03 | benmeyer | Once the contest entries are released you will see the ones that I was poking at. |
| 14:37:27 | warmi | at least , in my case, Windows GUI is pretty much the best out there if only because of its consistency |
| 14:38:03 | benmeyer | oh if only that was true |
| 14:38:17 | warmi | it is more true than on any other platform |
| 14:38:22 | benmeyer | windows has so many inconsistancies. Only the major apps really conform |
| 14:38:24 | warmi | at least more true than on X |
| 14:38:33 | benmeyer | OSX? |
| 14:38:35 | benmeyer | or X11 |
| 14:38:54 | warmi | on fucking X I can't get NEdit to paste text into my VisualSlickEdit .. both major Motif apps |
| 14:39:04 | warmi | X11 |
| 14:39:15 | warmi | I haven't had a chance to play much with OSX |
| 14:39:16 | benmeyer | Can someone post my ui page to the zaurus general and devel page so to let people know |
| 14:39:22 | benmeyer | my e-mail is bouncing right now |
| 14:39:55 | ljp_work | motif sux |
| 14:40:31 | warmi | I have been programming for Unix for number of years and still can't quite understand how some apps on X implement damn clipboard |
| 14:40:59 | warmi | it varies from app to app .. symptom of lack of standarisations in the X protocol itself |
| 14:41:38 | warmi | or for example, some Qt based apps will not paste text into GTK based stuff .. pure madness |
| 14:41:56 | benmeyer | agreed |
| 14:42:07 | warmi | ljp_work: which GUI toolkit you think is the best option on X ? |
| 14:42:09 | benmeyer | Personally I try to limit myself to KDE apps for that reason |
| 14:42:22 | benmeyer | I love Qt. |
| 14:42:23 | benmeyer | :) |
| 14:42:40 | ljp_work | warmi: hehehe I'm biased--- Qt |
| 14:42:43 | warmi | benmeyer: yeah ... frankly I wish people would just forget about all this nonsense like gtk and fltk etc .. |
| 14:42:46 | warmi | and use qt |
| 14:42:48 | warmi | hehe |
| 14:43:28 | warmi | especially since now it works on just about every major GUI based OS out there |
| 14:44:31 | benmeyer | zaurus-window-linux-mac |
| 14:44:32 | benmeyer | yummy |
| 14:44:46 | warmi | benmayer: since you brought that subject up ... any idea when judging will be over ? |
| 14:45:37 | benmeyer | Only 1 judge has to submit his entries |
| 14:46:28 | warmi | I bet it is Jason again |
| 14:46:30 | warmi | heheh |
| 14:46:32 | Twiun | grins |
| 14:48:33 | benmeyer | nope |
| 14:49:34 | warmi | benmeyer: is sharp ( or troll) planning to release a formal set of GUI guidelines for the Zaurus ? |
| 14:50:25 | warmi | I believe Palm does have something like that |
| 14:50:52 | benmeyer | I doubt it |
| 14:51:03 | benmeyer | The closest thing is what I just released |
| 14:51:12 | benmeyer | What you are talking about it a whole book |
| 14:51:26 | warmi | well ..yeah |
| 14:52:06 | benmeyer | I would rather just point peolpe to the book GUI Bloopers and tell them to read that |
| 14:52:49 | warmi | yeah but I meant more specific things like " in dialogs OK buttons goes always on the right, Cancel on the left " etc |
| 14:54:09 | warmi | I guess, following Windows way of doing things would be the safest bet ... maybe not the best but at least most people will be familiar with it |
| 15:03:54 | benmeyer | Well asuming that they followed number 4 of not doing anything special they would use the built in Ok dialogs that qt has which would make them all the same |
| 15:04:27 | benmeyer | Can anyone point me to a howto for using the audio out or mic in? |
| 15:04:52 | benmeyer | or is it done via oss? |
| 15:05:04 | ljp_work | ben: yes |
| 15:05:12 | ljp_work | fairly standard.. |
| 15:05:31 | ljp_work | except for input you must use /dev/dsp1 |
| 15:05:33 | benmeyer | yes to oss? |
| 15:05:40 | ljp_work | yepp OSS |
| 15:05:49 | benmeyer | ljp_work: still don't have that doc for you |
| 15:05:51 | benmeyer | still waiting |
| 15:06:10 | ljp_work | ahh..ok I didn't except anything too soon.. |
| 15:06:16 | benmeyer | well I did |
| 15:07:02 | ljp_work | and there's a few oss calls that don't work.. |
| 15:07:43 | benmeyer | ljp_work: you sound like someone perfect for me to ask polietly if he can write up a howto... :-) |
| 15:07:51 | ljp_work | sure can! |
| 15:08:06 | ljp_work | what do you want it to do? |
| 15:08:48 | benmeyer | basic howto, open /dev/dsp list any quirks you have found such as /dev/dsp1 and the missing oss stuff |
| 15:08:49 | benmeyer | etc |
| 15:08:55 | benmeyer | doesn't really have to say much |
| 15:09:12 | benmeyer | just to help other developers so they don't have to re-figure it out |
| 15:09:49 | ljp_work | ok.. I'm not sure if its the same on the 5500, if they use a common audio driver it would be |
| 15:10:23 | ljp_work | ok, I'll put together sometext, and you can format it like you want |
| 15:10:40 | benmeyer | ok |
| 15:10:45 | benmeyer | many thanks |
| 15:10:51 | benmeyer | Working on a ir one right now |
| 15:13:54 | benmeyer | What apps besides documents folder and address book can beam? |
| 15:15:51 | ljp_work | you can beam stuff from datebook |
| 15:15:59 | ljp_work | and you can beam files |
| 15:16:46 | ljp_work | ben: you want Qtopia type code or C++? |
| 15:16:51 | benmeyer | either |
| 15:17:33 | ljp_work | I'll do both.. :) |
| 15:17:48 | benmeyer | Does Qtopia have an interface for the audio? |
| 15:18:30 | ljp_work | just basic output. I'll include that |
| 15:19:31 | benmeyer | With the ir it looks like you can only send DocLnk files just about |
| 15:21:03 | ljp_work | I haven't tried beaming out files, but my bro beamed me a text file from his pocketpc |
| 15:23:17 | warmi | Qt's QSound is severly broken .... they advertise it as asynchronous but it is not and further it doesn't play wav files shorter than 8 Kb or something around that |
| 15:23:59 | ljp_work | they fixed that in cvs |
| 15:24:15 | warmi | yeah but it is still present on production ROMs |
| 15:24:19 | ljp_work | too bad Sharps's qtopia doesn't have their bug fixes |
| 15:24:33 | warmi | which is what developers will be working with |
| 15:25:43 | warmi | I had that problem with my Puzz-le .. next time I am gonna go for SDL mixer ... QSound sucks even when it manages to play :-) |
| 15:27:22 | ljp_work | heheh yep |
| 15:27:35 | ljp_work | I use standard oss ioctls |
| 15:30:27 | killefiz_work | benmeyer: look at your links page: |
| 15:30:34 | killefiz_work | www.sharpsec.com - The company that developed Qt. |
| 15:30:36 | killefiz_work | www.trolltech.com - Sharp's official USA homepage. |
| 15:30:44 | killefiz_work | wrong, wrong, wrong ;) |
| 15:30:56 | Com[Plex] | man, I wish rubiks games would run ion the Z, hehe |
| 15:33:33 | warmi | rubiks games ? |
| 15:33:58 | warmi | you mean Rubik's Cube game ? |
| 15:34:13 | Com[Plex] | nope |
| 15:34:17 | Com[Plex] | I mean "rubiks games" |
| 15:34:30 | Com[Plex] | i9ts a software put out by rubik's,. lots of cool puzzles, |
| 15:34:39 | Com[Plex] | its got ":rubiks: playground" |
| 15:34:42 | Com[Plex] | and a few others |
| 15:34:50 | Com[Plex] | the playground REALLY rules |
| 15:35:11 | warmi | yeah, I on that page now |
| 15:37:59 | Com[Plex] | www.rubiks.com |
| 15:38:10 | Com[Plex] | Im a rubiks cube collector of sorts. |
| 15:39:08 | warmi | heh .. rubiks collapse is like reversed Tetris |
| 15:39:56 | Com[Plex] | uh.. |
| 15:40:13 | Com[Plex] | you mean cover up? or is collapse new? |
| 15:40:23 | Com[Plex] | ooh, new |
| 15:40:33 | warmi | http://www.rubiks.com/collapse.html |
| 15:41:05 | Com[Plex] | yep |
| 15:41:17 | Com[Plex] | seems like everyone is putting out aq game like that now' |
| 15:43:51 | warmi | maybe we should make bejeweled for the Zaurus |
| 15:46:30 | Com[Plex] | OMG |
| 15:46:57 | warmi | ? |
| 15:48:08 | Com[Plex] | ITS ADDICTIVE!! |
| 15:51:21 | surge | i want to make an ipk, is there some complete newbie guide or... ? |
| 15:51:46 | benmeyer | What is the mime type for text? |
| 15:51:49 | benmeyer | mime/txt? |
| 15:51:59 | Twiun | text/plain |
| 15:52:03 | surge | application/text i think |
| 15:52:09 | surge | oh yeah |
| 15:52:21 | benmeyer | ok |
| 15:52:34 | benmeyer | text/plain or application/text? |
| 15:52:42 | Twiun | text/plain ;-) |
| 15:52:50 | Twiun | goes along with text/html and text/css |
| 15:55:28 | benmeyer | hmm sent a file with no extension and it says it is applicaion/octet-stream. |
| 15:55:38 | benmeyer | crashes the zaurus if you don't give it a type |
| 15:55:39 | benmeyer | hehe |
| 15:58:15 | surge | k3wl! bugs already! |
| 15:58:26 | surge | goes on a cracking rampage |
| 16:00:46 | benmeyer | The Zaurus has no bugs (insert loud laugh <here>) hahaha |
| 16:01:18 | surge | does someone have an english Z they can do a full reset on? (and then send me a file from it) |
| 16:01:19 | Com[Plex] | 81,775 |
| 16:01:22 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 16:01:26 | Com[Plex] | surge, what file? |
| 16:01:44 | Com[Plex] | why dont you download the rom and moubt it? |
| 16:01:46 | Com[Plex] | mount |
| 16:01:51 | surge | /home/root/Settings/Categories.xml |
| 16:02:01 | surge | Com[Plex]: where do i get that from? |
| 16:02:08 | Com[Plex] | developer.sharpsec.com |
| 16:02:13 | surge | Com[Plex]: this is a SL-5500G |
| 16:02:24 | surge | afaik they dont give out a rom for the 5500 yet |
| 16:02:27 | Com[Plex] | yeah, get the "OSPACK" fiole |
| 16:02:33 | Com[Plex] | here, Ill send it to you |
| 16:02:38 | surge | ok thanks |
| 16:02:40 | Com[Plex] | the file you need rather |
| 16:02:55 | surge | yep, looking at sharpsec now also... |
| 16:03:22 | JasonNJ | kergoth get beta 9 out yet? |
| 16:03:40 | JasonNJ | hey, anyone want to read an article that came out today about a different web site I run? |
| 16:04:11 | JasonNJ | http://www.ctnow.com/features/food/hc-fullrun.1.foodcvr.artmay02.story |
| 16:05:46 | Twiun | hmmmm, page not available |
| 16:07:52 | surge | Com[Plex]: btw, is that from a sl-5000D, or a sl-5500? |
| 16:09:26 | Com[Plex] | that ones from a 5000d, but Ill bet a nickle they are the same. hang on, let me check the 5500 one |
| 16:09:53 | surge | yeh id do the same, but just to be sure... thanks |
| 16:17:22 | warmi | he is an enthusiastic foodie who likes to eat almost everything. |
| 16:17:27 | warmi | same with me |
| 16:17:29 | warmi | hehe |
| 16:17:51 | warmi | that's why I have to spend and hour a day at the gym |
| 16:20:14 | ComZaurus | weeee |
| 16:20:25 | dc_ | weeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 16:20:33 | ComZaurus | using the z while on the J is great! |
| 16:20:43 | ComZaurus | god i love wireless |
| 16:22:43 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 16:25:08 | Com[Plex] | hey, is there any hex editors available for the z? |
| 16:25:13 | Com[Plex] | somethign with a search function |
| 16:25:39 | Com[Plex] | im gonna try to fix some annoying features of pre compiled apps. |
| 16:26:23 | warmi | so source code for these apps ? |
| 16:26:23 | Com[Plex] | since the guy who wrote fbvnc has dissapeared, I cant get the source code for the latest version. so I cant force that stupid checkbox under "request 8 bit session" to stay checked |
| 16:26:27 | warmi | so > no |
| 16:26:32 | Com[Plex] | yeah |
| 16:26:34 | warmi | ah .. ok |
| 16:26:46 | Com[Plex] | same thing with Zic |
| 16:26:55 | Com[Plex] | only source thats avail is way old |
| 16:27:16 | Com[Plex] | I want to make it stop displaying the motd on connect, and get rid of the "~zic" username |
| 16:27:31 | warmi | that's gonna be hard ... |
| 16:27:31 | Com[Plex] | doubt I will be able to with a hex editor, but hey,. who knows |
| 16:28:05 | Com[Plex] | I used to do all sorts of stuff with a hex editr. - actually, even if I cant actually conquer it, ILl at least have fun trying. |
| 16:28:18 | Com[Plex] | hehe |
| 16:28:36 | Com[Plex] | gone are the days of giving yourself shitloads of ammo and lived with a simple hex edit hack |
| 16:28:46 | warmi | yeah, it is relatively easy to change cmp style mnemonics etc .. |
| 16:29:01 | Com[Plex] | ah, - thats what I get for being old school. |
| 16:29:09 | Com[Plex] | cmp style mnemonnics? |
| 16:29:23 | warmi | compare .. ASM instruction |
| 16:29:34 | Com[Plex] | ah |
| 16:29:41 | warmi | you could basically modify "if" statements changing this code |
| 16:29:44 | Com[Plex] | right |
| 16:29:53 | fusion94 | bah |
| 16:30:01 | Com[Plex] | 079h if I remember right, was hex for "cnz" |
| 16:30:08 | mark | checksomes on oz rome images would be nice |
| 16:30:27 | Com[Plex] | hehe |
| 16:30:38 | Com[Plex] | its been a long time since I even Looked at assembler |
| 16:30:50 | Com[Plex] | Id be a fish out of water. |
| 16:31:24 | fusion94 | bah where is kergot |
| 16:31:27 | fusion94 | h |
| 16:31:53 | Com[Plex] | kergotamine |
| 16:32:05 | Com[Plex] | ;) |
| 16:35:03 | mark | anyone played with qplot? |
| 16:37:21 | Com[Plex] | yeah, its big |
| 16:37:51 | Com[Plex] | and if you dont know very well how to use a plotting calc, - its a littel overbearing |
| 16:38:59 | mark | its bloody slow here |
| 16:39:05 | mark | well in fact, so slow it just crashes |
| 16:40:27 | Mr__X | hi ... |
| 16:42:59 | mark | silly C++ question. How do I make OneClass an 'alias' of AnotherClass? |
| 16:43:08 | warmi | well, the author wants you to send him "your thoughts" |
| 16:43:23 | mark | so that new oneClass() really calls the constructor of anotherClass |
| 16:45:10 | warmi | class OneClass:: public Another Class {}; |
| 16:45:18 | warmi | heh |
| 16:45:50 | warmi | basically derived new class without introducing new functionality |
| 16:47:03 | mark | warmi: what about #define OneClass another class? |
| 16:50:22 | ljp_work | frickin phone company |
| 16:50:41 | warmi | mark: yeha, it will work |
| 16:51:07 | warmi | what the hell are you trying to hack this time mark ? |
| 16:51:08 | warmi | hehe |
| 16:59:30 | benmeyer | Cool, I made a ir demo app |
| 17:01:28 | ljp_work | what does it do? |
| 17:01:32 | benmeyer | ir a text virus hehe |
| 17:02:53 | benmeyer | alllows you to ir text or files |
| 17:03:03 | mark | without libqobex? |
| 17:03:04 | benmeyer | basic demo to show how to use the ir class |
| 17:03:27 | mark | warmi: hehe :) - kvim still ;). |
| 17:04:23 | JasonNJ | complex: the fbvncserver source is back |
| 17:04:23 | ljp_work | ben: what's your email again? |
| 17:04:34 | Com[Plex] | wht version? |
| 17:04:40 | JasonNJ | the latest one |
| 17:04:46 | Com[Plex] | link ? :> |
| 17:07:10 | JasonNJ | complex if you want to maintain the source I can give you an account on sourceforge |
| 17:07:20 | JasonNJ | give you maintainer access |
| 17:07:34 | JasonNJ | oss.lineo.com/fbvncserver is the location of the source |
| 17:07:34 | Com[Plex] | uh.. sure :> |
| 17:07:43 | fusion94 | JasonNJ: morning |
| 17:07:52 | JasonNJ | morning tony |
| 17:08:17 | fusion94 | JasonNJ: uploads for kergoth are fixed sorta |
| 17:08:22 | JasonNJ | good. |
| 17:08:41 | JasonNJ | fusion94: any way we can migrate his stuff from SF.net |
| 17:08:55 | JasonNJ | in particular the bugtracker |
| 17:09:18 | Com[Plex] | these look like the old sources |
| 17:09:29 | fusion94 | well yes and no |
| 17:09:57 | fusion94 | oxygen will NOT be one the the Sharp machines later on, we'd have to migrate data twice |
| 17:10:07 | hunger | JasonNJ: AFAIK there is no way to get the data out of SF. |
| 17:10:20 | Com[Plex] | ahhm, nopoe. its not |
| 17:10:26 | Com[Plex] | my version was numbered wrong! |
| 17:10:27 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 17:10:31 | hunger | JasonNJ: There is some script to extract it, but that's *EXTREMLY* buggy and does not work. |
| 17:10:47 | JasonNJ | hunger: fusion can get the data out. |
| 17:10:51 | fusion94 | hunger: wrong |
| 17:10:55 | fusion94 | hunger: there's ways |
| 17:10:55 | JasonNJ | but yeah, doing it twice is stupid |
| 17:11:01 | hunger | fusion94: How so? |
| 17:11:08 | JasonNJ | well, fusion is the ONLY person who can get the data out. |
| 17:11:10 | fusion94 | hunger: well since i wrote SF |
| 17:11:16 | JasonNJ | lol |
| 17:11:17 | | you are the wanker that wrote sourceforge |
| 17:11:17 | fusion94 | ibot: fusion94? |
| 17:11:22 | hunger | fusion94: Can you extract my data too? |
| 17:11:51 | JasonNJ | we plan to move all the existing SF content to the new site. |
| 17:12:06 | fusion94 | one sec, fighting a feisty mac atm |
| 17:12:24 | fusion94 | bah |
| 17:12:27 | fusion94 | damn g3 |
| 17:12:30 | fusion94 | there we go |
| 17:13:21 | fusion94 | hunger: all the zaurus data on sf will be migrated once the sharp/zaurus/sf site goes live. actually right before it goes live, there will be a 24-36 hour dead period |
| 17:13:22 | mark | JasonNJ: did you have any luck re OSSing libqobex? |
| 17:13:55 | hunger | fusion94: I'm not speaking of zaurus data:-) |
| 17:14:15 | fusion94 | hunger: which data are you referring to then ? |
| 17:14:59 | hunger | fusion94: group_id=322 |
| 17:15:20 | hunger | fusion94: unix name is berlin. |
| 17:17:19 | mark | when installing a new oz rom, the file should be called initrd.bin yeh? |
| 17:17:34 | hunger | mark: Right. |
| 17:17:50 | fusion94 | ahhh |
| 17:17:56 | fusion94 | the berlin project |
| 17:18:05 | fusion94 | where you going to move it to ? |
| 17:18:20 | hunger | fusion94: Now about to be renamed to fresco and moved of SF. |
| 17:18:31 | fusion94 | heh |
| 17:18:47 | JasonNJ | hunger: you run berlin? |
| 17:18:49 | roge99 | mark: thats just the rootfs the kernel is a seperate file |
| 17:19:02 | fusion94 | ok. i'll see about getting that data at the same time, no promises and realize that the migration is still 90-120 days away |
| 17:19:09 | hunger | JasonNJ: I work on it, yes. I have it running too. |
| 17:19:23 | fusion94 | the holdup is JasonNJ and his cronies |
| 17:19:47 | hunger | fusion94: Thanks! Can you mail it to my SF account? tobias@... |
| 17:19:51 | JasonNJ | getting anything done in Sharp Japan is a total mess |
| 17:20:49 | killefiz | Hey ... it only took three weeks for sharp japan to notice the zsi and put a link from the developer page ;) |
| 17:23:00 | fusion94 | hunger: email me your contact info to fusion94@isquare.org and what you need done. i can add it to my schedule that way |
| 17:32:00 | hunger | fusion94: Mail is on it's way:-) Thanks for putting it onto your schedule! |
| 17:34:55 | fusion94 | np |
| 17:40:36 | nasa | So what's up with the OZ? Is a new beta out? Has a decision on what open source java to use? |
| 17:42:10 | ljp_work | Oz decided NOT to use Folgers java.. |
| 17:42:18 | ljp_work | or any canned java |
| 17:42:26 | mark | whats the ssh keygen tool called? |
| 17:42:50 | benmeyer | coffeee... mmmmm yummy coffeeeeee... |
| 17:42:58 | benmeyer | ssh-keygen |
| 17:43:02 | benmeyer | I think |
| 17:43:03 | roge99 | ssh-keygen |
| 17:43:11 | benmeyer | or just use the server-manager |
| 17:43:15 | benmeyer | it has a button |
| 17:43:15 | benmeyer | :) |
| 17:43:21 | benmeyer | hehe |
| 17:43:21 | tux_mike | JasonNJ: ping |
| 17:43:28 | benmeyer | pong! |
| 17:44:05 | nasa | So why won't java be supported? |
| 17:44:29 | ljp_work | hehehehe We all drink java |
| 17:44:46 | benmeyer | where is the ir.h file located? |
| 17:44:47 | ljp_work | dontknow if theres an open source java that works on the Z |
| 17:44:58 | peanut | hrmm.. |
| 17:45:08 | benmeyer | nm |
| 17:45:11 | benmeyer | got it |
| 17:45:42 | mark | benmeyer: , roge99 |
| 17:45:49 | mark | benmeyer: server-manager? wheres that? |
| 17:45:50 | roge99 | yes |
| 17:45:55 | peanut | question.. |
| 17:46:03 | mark | roge99: meant to say thanks :) |
| 17:46:05 | peanut | hrmm.. |
| 17:46:10 | peanut | has an apache question.. |
| 17:46:11 | roge99 | no prob |
| 17:46:19 | peanut | anyone wanna take a shot? |
| 17:47:02 | benmeyer | Hmmm I just figured out what my new handle will be :) |
| 17:47:07 | benmeyer | Roze |
| 17:47:33 | benmeyer | i.e. Zero re-written the first number for programmers |
| 17:48:24 | ljp_work | hmmm |
| 17:49:23 | peanut | argh.. |
| 17:49:51 | | nasa: what? |
| 17:49:51 | nasa | ibot oz |
| 17:50:48 | | openzaurus is a Community version of the operating environment for the Sharp Zaurus SL-5x00[d] PDA. See http://openzaurus.sf.net/. or http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/ |
| 17:50:48 | benmeyer | ibot openzaurus |
| 17:50:55 | roge99 | peanut: what is you question |
| 17:51:17 | JasonNJ | where da heck is kergoth |
| 17:51:32 | benmeyer | ugg the ir stuff is severially unfinished :( |
| 17:51:47 | benmeyer | hopefully it is a little bit more done in opie |
| 17:51:49 | peanut | is it possible to force a 401 header via a CGI |
| 17:51:53 | peanut | and have apache then do the auth |
| 17:52:02 | peanut | without requiring the auth in an apache config |
| 17:52:13 | tux_mike | JasonNJ: is the enfora pocket IIc available for purchase yet? |
| 17:52:32 | peanut | tux_mike: yes |
| 17:52:37 | peanut | it sucks.. |
| 17:52:50 | peanut | wants to throw his sharpmobile out the window.. :) |
| 17:52:53 | tux_mike | do you know where i can get just the modem? |
| 17:53:02 | peanut | tux_mike: from sharpmobile.com |
| 17:53:04 | benmeyer | peanut, but it is _so_ fast |
| 17:53:05 | benmeyer | haha |
| 17:53:10 | peanut | hahahahahahahahaha |
| 17:53:17 | peanut | benmeyer: oh yes... REAL fast |
| 17:53:18 | tux_mike | peanut: they only seem to sell the service and modem |
| 17:53:26 | peanut | tux_mike: but you can cancel the service right away |
| 17:53:33 | peanut | then sign up for verizon direct, etc.. |
| 17:53:39 | benmeyer | faster? |
| 17:53:41 | peanut | there's no contract for the service in their beta modem |
| 17:53:45 | peanut | BUT.. |
| 17:54:01 | peanut | as ben will attest.. not only is it slow (modem?) the manu quality is totally inferior! |
| 17:54:15 | peanut | its a piece of junk |
| 17:54:23 | peanut | roge99: any ideas? |
| 17:54:24 | benmeyer | manu? |
| 17:54:25 | tux_mike | peanut: cpcd is only 19.2 by standard. |
| 17:54:27 | tux_mike | manu? |
| 17:54:30 | peanut | manufacturering |
| 17:54:34 | peanut | tux_mike: its more like .8 k |
| 17:54:45 | peanut | and thats with the wind blowing in the right direction |
| 17:54:54 | peanut | its completely worthless |
| 17:54:55 | benmeyer | The manugacturing is getting an overhaul in the second revision whihc is happening right now |
| 17:54:59 | benmeyer | it is beta... |
| 17:55:01 | peanut | benmeyer: thats good to hear.. |
| 17:55:06 | peanut | they gonna replace my POS |
| 17:55:11 | peanut | i wouldn't even call this a beta |
| 17:55:16 | peanut | more like a pre pre alpha |
| 17:55:24 | benmeyer | fun |
| 17:55:30 | benmeyer | well I didn't really use it much |
| 17:55:32 | mark | are linux kernel patches between pre versions incremental? |
| 17:55:32 | tux_mike | peanut: it all depends on the area. plus, for the friend who i'm getting this for it's the only option to get internet access for him to monitor his email and stuff |
| 17:55:51 | peanut | tux_mike: seriously.. its really really really slow.. imho unusable |
| 17:56:05 | peanut | i don't know if its the modem or the current service setup/software, etc. |
| 17:56:24 | peanut | i had cdpd before (with omnisky) and that was about 11-12k, quite nice for reading email, ssh, etc |
| 17:56:36 | peanut | this is not useable at all.. |
| 17:56:45 | peanut | you are basically throwing your money away |
| 17:57:01 | peanut | I have yet to hear from 1 person that has found it useable at all.. |
| 17:57:14 | roge99 | peanut: you have to have the auth info ethier in the config or .htaccess AFAIK |
| 17:57:45 | peanut | roge99: i know that.. |
| 17:57:55 | peanut | what I was asking is if you can move it outside of that.. |
| 17:58:09 | roge99 | you can have your cgi do its own auth |
| 17:58:17 | peanut | i want my CGI to do basic auth |
| 17:58:17 | benmeyer | What is the rang on thr ir? |
| 17:58:20 | benmeyer | 1 foot? |
| 17:58:27 | peanut | benmeyer: sounds about right |
| 17:58:41 | peanut | can auth via cgi to cookie or whatever.. |
| 17:59:05 | peanut | say you print |
| 17:59:12 | peanut | Status: 401 Authorization Required |
| 17:59:14 | roge99 | you would need to write the auth code in your cgi |
| 17:59:26 | peanut | WWW-Authenticate: Basic realm=SERVER |
| 17:59:31 | benmeyer | Anyone know how to use the ir port using something other then Qt? |
| 17:59:46 | benmeyer | jave? |
| 17:59:46 | peanut | netscape/ie/mozilla will pop up the login box |
| 17:59:56 | tux_mike | peanut: forget it... earthlink won't open an acount for a zaurus user... fscking a-holes >< |
| 18:00:10 | peanut | tux_mike: verizon will sell service direct |
| 18:00:23 | peanut | but thats what sharpmobile is using currently.. |
| 18:00:32 | tux_mike | verizon isn't in his area |
| 18:00:35 | peanut | oh.. |
| 18:00:40 | peanut | no loss.. |
| 18:00:40 | tux_mike | he's in ann arbor |
| 18:00:46 | peanut | the hardware is junk anyway |
| 18:00:47 | Cam_ | wehey, Zaurus on the front cover of LINUX USER magazine |
| 18:01:00 | peanut | so.. anyone know how to do basic auth via cgi |
| 18:01:04 | tux_mike | i'm gonna have to look at the ipaq now |
| 18:01:16 | benmeyer | really? |
| 18:01:29 | peanut | benmeyer: who cdpd service |
| 18:01:42 | peanut | since earthlink/omni offers it for the windows ce devices |
| 18:01:55 | Neo|Work | is away: here we go again |
| 18:02:25 | roge99 | hmm ok i know what your getting at |
| 18:02:26 | benmeyer | hmm |
| 18:02:32 | benmeyer | Where can I get that online? |
| 18:02:47 | benmeyer | cdpd? |
| 18:02:54 | peanut | roge99: i'm wondering if its not possible.. |
| 18:03:00 | roge99 | peanut: ive never tried that |
| 18:03:07 | peanut | w/out modifying the source to the server |
| 18:03:42 | peanut | in case you're wondering, i've already hacked the server to support our auth scheme.. |
| 18:04:16 | roge99 | ive done cgi's that pop up their own login box |
| 18:04:32 | peanut | roge99: but they're not basic auth boxes |
| 18:04:33 | roge99 | but not one thats forces a browser to do ti |
| 18:04:38 | roge99 | right |
| 18:04:40 | peanut | they're popup windows |
| 18:04:51 | peanut | could do that.. |
| 18:04:54 | roge99 | right |
| 18:04:55 | Jonmann | Popup windows. Yuck. |
| 18:05:01 | peanut | is thinking that he'll just have to go to cookies BLAH! |
| 18:05:13 | peanut | wants to expire logins after 30 minutes |
| 18:05:25 | Jonmann | Then cookies are the only way. |
| 18:05:31 | peanut | i can do this (messy) by using apache's auth and my auth.. |
| 18:05:38 | peanut | but then the user is asked to login twice |
| 18:05:48 | peanut | and its kind of kludgy.. |
| 18:05:53 | Jonmann | If I count out messy stuff with IP logging and databases. ;) |
| 18:06:12 | Jonmann | Cookies are easy to handle, at least with PHP. |
| 18:06:51 | peanut | Jonmann: yes.. |
| 18:07:13 | peanut | but i can't timeout logins then with basic auth.. |
| 18:07:35 | peanut | i can use basic auth (which works) with my clugdy workaround and timeout after 30 minutes |
| 18:07:46 | peanut | i can drop basic auth, rewrite a new security system |
| 18:07:53 | mark | does 2.4.19-pre7-ac3 include the usbndet driver or does it still need patching in? |
| 18:08:01 | peanut | one that uses cookies (or whatever) and times out after 30 minutes |
| 18:08:10 | Jonmann | peanut, yes you can. PHP can use basic HTTP authentication with cookie stuff. |
| 18:08:19 | isol8 | lo |
| 18:08:26 | Jonmann | You don't need any yucky popup boxes. |
| 18:09:23 | isol8 | (s) |
| 18:11:39 | peanut | Jonmann: but how does work exactly? |
| 18:11:46 | peanut | php can time out the basic auth |
| 18:11:58 | peanut | I don't see how that works either.. |
| 18:12:11 | peanut | I could understand it setting cookies based on a basic auth completing (i.e. getting the username, etc) |
| 18:12:23 | Jonmann | peanut, that's what I mean. |
| 18:12:32 | peanut | Jonmann: thats not what I want |
| 18:12:37 | Jonmann | What else could you possibly want? |
| 18:13:17 | peanut | what i'm asking is it is possible to force the web server to complete a basic auth WITHout telling it in an htaccess OR httpd.conf/etc file |
| 18:13:33 | peanut | i.e. can php/perl/c etc |
| 18:13:56 | peanut | I can make a basic auth login box pop up, but I can't get the server to do anything with what the person enters |
| 18:18:19 | peanut | hrmm.. |
| 18:18:26 | peanut | AuthExpire looks promising.. |
| 18:20:00 | Jonmann | peanut, uh... Are you sure your PHP is compatible with the HTTP-auth stuff? |
| 18:20:16 | Jonmann | It only works as a module or a CGI, I don't remember which one. :) |
| 18:20:42 | peanut | its probably as a module then.. |
| 18:20:50 | peanut | which would work.. |
| 18:20:57 | peanut | but what I specifically asked for was a CGI :) |
| 18:21:22 | Cam_ | peanut: I'm sure you need nph to do that... |
| 18:21:46 | peanut | Cam_: explain further.. |
| 18:22:55 | Cam_ | in perl CGI it's usual for the web server to perform the http auth, then the script takes over. If you want to do the low level stuff you need to use non-parsed-header cgi scripts |
| 18:23:07 | Cam_ | client requests a web page, server returns 'authorization required' plus a list of acceptable auth methods. The the client resubmits with the appropriate auth info in the header. But to see that exchange you need to have NPH |
| 18:23:08 | Neo|Work | fuck fuck fuck |
| 18:23:16 | Cam_ | stop me if I'm wrong... anyone? |
| 18:23:29 | Neo|Work | (most likely) forgot his Zaurus when getting coffee |
| 18:23:34 | Neo|Work | and 5 minutes later => not there |
| 18:23:48 | W|GGL|T | doh |
| 18:24:29 | peanut | Cam_: but it would seem to me that the server would still not perform the auth.. |
| 18:24:36 | peanut | the username/password would just pass back to the script |
| 18:24:40 | peanut | doesn't want that.. |
| 18:26:57 | Cam_ | that's right peanut - either your script does the whole lot, or the server does it. |
| 18:27:20 | peanut | ok.. so then the answer to my original question, is its not possible.. |
| 18:27:21 | Cam_ | if the server does it, then the cgi script is not called until after the authorization has taken place |
| 18:27:55 | peanut | Cam_: but I can't get the server to do the auth from the CGI |
| 18:28:10 | peanut | what i want is the CGI to tell the server to do the auth.. |
| 18:28:41 | Cam_ | peanut - I don't think that is possible... probably I don't understand your requirement properly |
| 18:29:01 | Cam_ | I mean why run a cgi script that tehn decides to impose auth on the user? |
| 18:29:51 | peanut | because I can timeout the auth |
| 18:30:08 | Cam_ | What you can do is have a cgi-bin/secure directory so some scripts are secure (auth required) and the remainder are not. So you could have a wiki script with only the editing subject to logins etc. |
| 18:31:13 | Cam_ | ohhh... I get it. I wonder if a cgi script can force the browser to lose it's auth info... |
| 18:31:51 | peanut | Cam_: that would be cool.. |
| 18:32:04 | peanut | what I was doing was changing the name of the realm |
| 18:32:20 | Cam_ | sounds kludgy |
| 18:32:36 | JasonNJ | fyi I have put teh fbvncserver source code back onto sourceforge until fastolfe gets his act back together |
| 18:32:49 | peanut | yeah.. but in theory it would work :) |
| 18:32:58 | JasonNJ | its also now in the OpenZaurus CVS |
| 18:35:27 | benmeyer | http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=199 |
| 18:35:28 | benmeyer | hehe |
| 18:35:34 | benmeyer | IR virus! |
| 18:37:16 | peanut | hehehe |
| 18:37:22 | peanut | ROFL |
| 18:40:04 | Cam_ | just out of interest, can the Z java run midlets? |
| 18:40:19 | Cam_ | can I beam a midlet from my cellphone to the Z? |
| 18:55:49 | ep0ch | evening all |
| 18:56:03 | nasa | howdy |
| 18:59:06 | benmeyer | Hello |
| 18:59:24 | benmeyer | http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/ir_howto.shtml |
| 18:59:36 | benmeyer | Can someone post that to zaurus-general and zaurus-devel |
| 18:59:37 | benmeyer | Thanks |
| 19:08:54 | fusion94 | is back (gone 00:14:06) |
| 19:20:49 | roge99 | he lives !!! |
| 19:20:58 | roge99 | hey kergoth |
| 19:21:02 | kergoth | hey.. |
| 19:21:02 | roge99 | how goes it |
| 19:21:10 | kergoth | not too bad. been a long day |
| 19:21:11 | kergoth | you? |
| 19:21:17 | roge99 | not too bad |
| 19:21:23 | roge99 | just hangen out today |
| 19:21:28 | roge99 | taken it easy |
| 19:21:32 | kergoth | ah cool |
| 19:21:42 | roge99 | take the wife out tonight |
| 19:22:26 | roge99 | hows the OZ front |
| 19:22:48 | dc__ | who, oz? |
| 19:22:57 | kergoth | havent done much since last night |
| 19:23:02 | roge99 | ahh |
| 19:23:06 | kergoth | got in some relaxin time myself :-) |
| 19:23:07 | dc__ | heh. my bad. |
| 19:23:16 | roge99 | good for you |
| 19:23:19 | kergoth | finished up the ssh packages.. far more granular now |
| 19:23:24 | kergoth | ssh-common, ssh-server, ssh-client |
| 19:23:28 | roge99 | you deserved it |
| 19:23:29 | kergoth | and of course libssl0.9.6 |
| 19:23:30 | dc__ | w00ts |
| 19:23:55 | roge99 | now that your rested .......BACK TO WORK |
| 19:24:02 | roge99 | :-) |
| 19:24:03 | kergoth | also, there's an ipk for the spectrum24 driver in the oz3 feed |
| 19:24:04 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:24:08 | kergoth | i AM :-) |
| 19:24:08 | roge99 | cool |
| 19:24:51 | roge99 | so how close are we to 9 |
| 19:24:54 | kergoth | its nice being able to use scp with my Z over the usb networking and have everything behave properly |
| 19:25:00 | kergoth | hmm let me go over my todo list |
| 19:25:52 | kergoth | roge99: the ssh packages are in the feed also.. teh postinst script will fail and it wont symlink its startup script as a result.. ill fix that shortly |
| 19:26:05 | roge99 | ok |
| 19:26:43 | kergoth | Okay, I want the timezones/citytime bug resolved, ssh linking its startup scripts, and confirmation of functionality of the spectrum24 card.. |
| 19:26:52 | kergoth | those are the biggest issues atm, for b9 |
| 19:27:07 | kergoth | relatively minor really |
| 19:27:37 | roge99 | so who has a specturm24 card that can test for you |
| 19:27:44 | kergoth | jason |
| 19:27:46 | kergoth | JasonNJ: ping |
| 19:29:42 | kergoth | fusion94: ping |
| 19:29:48 | mark | re kergoth |
| 19:29:52 | kergoth | hey mark |
| 19:31:33 | mark | kergoth: i'm upgrading my kernel to ur version in the hope i wont have these usb probsa |
| 19:31:44 | kergoth | ah |
| 19:31:50 | mark | hopes this fixes it |
| 19:32:00 | kergoth | I'm using oz3b9pre with a windows box here w/ no probs |
| 19:32:12 | Twiun | screams in agony |
| 19:32:24 | kergoth | Twiun: problems? |
| 19:32:26 | mark | kergoth: and its fine on ur linux boxen? |
| 19:32:28 | Twiun | I'm going to regret this tomorrow... |
| 19:32:45 | kergoth | mark: Havent done sufficient testing on them recently. my box at home is now windows for gaming reasons ;-) |
| 19:32:49 | kergoth | Twiun: ? |
| 19:32:54 | Twiun | Just been swimming.... first exercise I've had in 18 months |
| 19:33:03 | mark | kergoth: hehe |
| 19:33:21 | benmeyer | kergoth: http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=199 |
| 19:33:21 | benmeyer | hehe |
| 19:33:22 | kergoth | Twiun: ah... thats gonna hurt |
| 19:33:41 | Twiun | no shit ;-) |
| 19:33:50 | Twiun | I'm drugging myself up now on aspirin |
| 19:33:53 | kergoth | benmeyer: hah |
| 19:34:06 | benmeyer | Wrote up an ir howto today |
| 19:34:10 | benmeyer | and that is the example app |
| 19:34:16 | kergoth | benmeyer: ah |
| 19:34:31 | benmeyer | it is pretty pitiful what that ir can't do |
| 19:34:33 | kergoth | benmeyer: i finished the granular ssh packages, I'll create sharp rom versions and distribute in a few |
| 19:34:35 | kergoth | is it? |
| 19:34:40 | benmeyer | the ir class ir very broken |
| 19:34:44 | kergoth | ah |
| 19:34:47 | benmeyer | sound good |
| 19:35:05 | kergoth | anyone other than jason in here have a socket / symbol card they can test on oz3b9pre? |
| 19:35:06 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:35:07 | nyargh | nice |
| 19:35:52 | killefiz | is there a way to force a linksys wlan-card to a lower bandwith than 11M? |
| 19:36:04 | benmeyer | go farther away? |
| 19:36:06 | benmeyer | :-D |
| 19:36:56 | benmeyer | If you go far enough it drops to 5MB then 2MB then 1MB |
| 19:37:03 | killefiz | not for me |
| 19:37:18 | killefiz | it just stops responding to pings for me |
| 19:37:24 | killefiz | at least according to the wlanmonitor |
| 19:38:28 | nasa | can the ir control my stereo? |
| 19:38:39 | roge99 | hey kergoth: .... one more thing for your todo list |
| 19:39:14 | benmeyer | nasa, from 1 foot away :) |
| 19:40:57 | nasa | oh -- that's bad |
| 19:41:52 | JasonNJ | kergoth: gonna put up beta9? |
| 19:41:58 | benmeyer | Get a repeater :) |
| 19:43:36 | JasonNJ | kergoth get your wlan card yet |
| 19:48:41 | kergoth | JasonNJ: yes I'm going to.. one or two more things to clean up.. very minor.. i added the spectrum24 driver to the feed.. |
| 19:48:58 | kergoth | JasonNJ: dont know.. i'm at work, and i gave you my home addy. i'll check when i get home |
| 19:50:05 | NetAmp | wants XScale |
| 19:50:31 | JasonNJ | ah, its in the feed not the base yet? |
| 19:50:33 | NetAmp | Arm @400+Mhz ;) |
| 19:50:51 | treke | it have an fpu? |
| 19:50:54 | NetAmp | I saw some neat Asus models |
| 19:51:00 | JasonNJ | arm-11 Jaguar |
| 19:51:04 | NetAmp | without any trace of keyboards though :-( |
| 19:51:15 | JasonNJ | thats my ideal zaurus chip that I am pitching to product planning. |
| 19:51:21 | NetAmp | dunno about fpu, wasn't a really technical article |
| 19:51:30 | treke | wants an fpu :) |
| 19:51:49 | NetAmp | but it surprised me that, XScale is almost in the same price-range |
| 19:51:55 | JasonNJ | treke: the jaguar has vector floating point and java acceleration |
| 19:52:07 | treke | cool and eh |
| 19:52:16 | NetAmp | if it's true that the Zaurus SL-5500 will cost about 700 EUR here, I could probably get an XScale for that :S |
| 19:52:23 | JasonNJ | well, Java acceleration is important |
| 19:52:30 | NetAmp | hm ah well I'll wait a bit and see |
| 19:52:54 | JasonNJ | treke: I can assure you the SL-5500 is not the only Z you will see this year |
| 19:53:03 | JasonNJ | we have other stuff coming down the pipe. |
| 19:53:55 | treke | nifty |
| 19:53:57 | NetAmp | *this* year even? |
| 19:54:06 | JasonNJ | so OZ9 has a new Opie? |
| 19:54:11 | JasonNJ | yes this year |
| 19:54:13 | dauxxx_ | JasonN: can you tell more :-) |
| 19:54:14 | NetAmp | Like in *release* this year or like betas |
| 19:54:18 | JasonNJ | you may even see 2 or 3 new units |
| 19:54:30 | treke | hopefully one has a built in mic and speaker |
| 19:54:32 | JasonNJ | at least 1 or 2 this summer |
| 19:54:39 | JasonNJ | cough |
| 19:54:47 | NetAmp | sweet... |
| 19:54:58 | NetAmp | what about Lineo? :S |
| 19:55:06 | JasonNJ | damn that congestion gets to me |
| 19:55:15 | NetAmp | Is there gonna be another embedded linux dev? |
| 19:55:24 | JasonNJ | Lineo is.. under observation |
| 19:55:37 | JasonNJ | we are looking at all kinds of ways of handling linux. |
| 19:55:44 | mark | JasonNJ: there gonna be another contest for us to win the new ones :P |
| 19:56:00 | JasonNJ | there will be a java contest likely during teh summer |
| 19:56:05 | JasonNJ | we are working out details |
| 19:56:10 | mark | shall have to learn java :( |
| 19:56:13 | mark | hehe |
| 19:56:16 | JasonNJ | probably will do another qtopia one later on |
| 19:56:22 | mark | jTick anyone? hehe |
| 19:56:57 | JasonNJ | yeah the java contest will happen when we update the JVM for J2ME |
| 19:57:11 | NetAmp | yippeee, I'm gonna practica on my Java skills ;) |
| 19:57:28 | NetAmp | s/ica/ice/ |
| 19:57:33 | Twiun | jumps for joy ;-) |
| 19:57:46 | mark | by the far the biggest gripe I have is no internal mic/speaker |
| 19:57:49 | NetAmp | Happy happy happy, joy joy joy |
| 19:57:51 | ekkis | hey guys, Opera isn't open source, is it? |
| 19:58:01 | kergoth | ekkis: correct, its not |
| 19:58:04 | kergoth | JasonNJ: yes its a new opie build |
| 19:58:31 | JasonNJ | kergoth: we need a pack of background graphics |
| 19:58:42 | ekkis | kergoth: pity... I was hoping that with the new ROM image the browser would support Javascript :prompt() but I see it doesn't.... arrgghhh! |
| 19:58:45 | JasonNJ | arent there some background textures in some linux distros that are opensource |
| 19:59:08 | JasonNJ | also right now you need a texture that is scaled to 320x240 right |
| 19:59:14 | JasonNJ | the system cant tile stuff yet |
| 19:59:47 | JasonNJ | I noticed some weird effect when pingizauru gets tiled when you mess with the settings on styles |
| 19:59:57 | mark | yeh i've got that |
| 20:00:05 | mark | after restarting opie i get it |
| 20:00:05 | ekkis | do you guys know of a way to request a feature for Opera on the Z? |
| 20:00:16 | JasonNJ | mark: right |
| 20:00:16 | BigBoss | pray |
| 20:00:21 | flamingcow | oz3b9? |
| 20:00:24 | NetAmp | yay! Pingizauru ;) |
| 20:00:31 | mark | I just really hope sharp will better utilise OSS next time round |
| 20:00:50 | JasonNJ | konqueror is getting pretty damn good |
| 20:00:58 | mark | JasonNJ: indeed |
| 20:01:02 | JasonNJ | mark: I think what will motivate sharp is when the Vercel is released |
| 20:01:04 | treke | how does it compare sizewize? |
| 20:01:11 | JasonNJ | Vercel is likely to be very agressive with OSS |
| 20:01:15 | JasonNJ | because they are small and new. |
| 20:01:37 | dauxxx_ | konqueror crash my Z :-( |
| 20:01:38 | JasonNJ | I have told sharp managment we need to get with the program in terms of OSS adoption |
| 20:02:06 | JasonNJ | whats cool about the whole Vercel thing, however, is if they release any of their stuff OZ is likely to adopt some of that as is opie |
| 20:02:17 | mark | JasonNJ: Vercel? sorry, doesn't mean anything to me |
| 20:02:22 | BigBoss | what is up with Vercel anyway? |
| 20:02:32 | JasonNJ | Vercel is one big question mark. |
| 20:02:39 | BigBoss | lineo was supposed to be working them |
| 20:02:42 | JasonNJ | we anticpated they would release their device Q4 |
| 20:02:45 | JasonNJ | but it might be later |
| 20:02:47 | BigBoss | prior to the blow up |
| 20:02:51 | JasonNJ | right |
| 20:02:57 | JasonNJ | not sure if Vercel dumped lineo or not |
| 20:04:37 | kergoth | re |
| 20:04:54 | | somebody said opie-look was http://draknor.net/ipaq/opie-look.php |
| 20:04:54 | kergoth | ibot: opie-look? |
| 20:05:35 | kergoth | watches libc6 rebuild |
| 20:05:59 | mark | it would be nice if those backgrounds could be more transparent |
| 20:06:26 | mark | kergoth: i'm watching my kernel rebuild. it would be so cool if you didn't have to reboot to get it |
| 20:06:44 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:06:45 | kergoth | indeed |
| 20:08:09 | ekkis | so does anyone know whether Sharp will be using an open-source browser at some point? |
| 20:08:14 | mark | kergoth: how did you get usbdnet to compile with 2.4.19-pre9-ac3? |
| 20:08:16 | ekkis | is konqueror available for the Z? |
| 20:08:20 | NetAmp | l8r! |
| 20:08:36 | treke | ekkis : It is. Konqueror doesnt have java support though |
| 20:09:04 | ekkis | ah.... I guess that's important |
| 20:09:08 | kergoth | mark: dont remember |
| 20:09:16 | kergoth | hey ljp |
| 20:09:33 | kergoth | I'm soundly beating libc6 into including zoneinfo |
| 20:10:01 | ekkis | glad to hear... I feel hostage to Opera |
| 20:10:17 | ekkis | how hard can it be to implement little prompt()?? |
| 20:10:24 | mark | kergoth: heh, okay. having compile errors atm :) |
| 20:10:33 | Neo|Work | is away: break |
| 20:10:44 | kergoth | mark: ah |
| 20:10:49 | ljp_work | hi |
| 20:10:57 | Twiun | Hey ljp |
| 20:11:07 | ekkis | heya ljp! |
| 20:11:08 | kergoth | JasonNJ: want to test the spectrum24 ipk on oz3b8.5? I'd like to confirm functionality. |
| 20:11:18 | Twiun | ljp_work: You mentionned something about Folgers java... what's that? |
| 20:11:30 | ljp_work | I hate the phone company |
| 20:11:32 | nyargh | anyone know how to change the styles/background on Qtopia? |
| 20:11:38 | JasonNJ | the opie scheme manager wont run on the sharp rom right |
| 20:11:42 | JasonNJ | kergoth yeah I can test that |
| 20:11:48 | kergoth | JasonNJ: it'll run, but you cant change backgrounds |
| 20:11:52 | ljp_work | hehe Folgers.. comes in a red can,,.. on a grocery shelf |
| 20:12:03 | JasonNJ | which wlan-ng does it need |
| 20:12:05 | kergoth | JasonNJ: k. i'd like to confirm that it works before putting out the b9 |
| 20:12:13 | Twiun | ljp_work: Ahhh... a US thing ;-) |
| 20:12:21 | JasonNJ | and I need the latest wirelesslan applet right |
| 20:12:22 | roge99_Z | kerg i got my bg to change |
| 20:12:24 | ljp_work | ya.. its bad grade coffee |
| 20:12:26 | kergoth | JasonNJ: it doesnt use wlan-ng |
| 20:12:39 | kergoth | JasonNJ: and the wireless app cant configure it as a result.. |
| 20:12:42 | JasonNJ | ah |
| 20:12:46 | kergoth | JasonNJ: which is why the instructions say to edit wireless.opts |
| 20:12:48 | kergoth | :-) |
| 20:12:54 | ljp_work | actually, I think kava (?) is supposed to be being ported to the Z |
| 20:13:07 | JasonNJ | but it should be set to infrastructure and ANY essid by default right |
| 20:13:13 | JasonNJ | you just modified ben's ipkg |
| 20:13:16 | Twiun | Kaffe, but I don't know what their progress is |
| 20:13:30 | kergoth | JasonNJ: no |
| 20:13:36 | JasonNJ | is it on the feed nwo |
| 20:13:37 | JasonNJ | now |
| 20:13:40 | kergoth | JasonNJ: ben's package doesnt alter wireless.opts |
| 20:13:44 | kergoth | JasonNJ: neither does mine.. but i built from source |
| 20:13:48 | kergoth | JasonNJ: yes |
| 20:13:58 | JasonNJ | ok let me go grabbit then |
| 20:14:12 | ljp_work | yaaa that's it kaffe.. heh |
| 20:14:20 | hunger | kergoth: Hi! |
| 20:14:27 | JasonNJ | man is sourceforge slow |
| 20:14:39 | kergoth | hey hunger |
| 20:14:41 | JasonNJ | as soon as oxygen uploads are working you gotta migrate that project |
| 20:14:48 | kergoth | hunger: working on the apm and timezones issues |
| 20:14:51 | kergoth | JasonNJ: yes, definately |
| 20:15:02 | hunger | kergoth: I tried updating, but there's no new ipk in the feed acording to ipkg. |
| 20:15:09 | kergoth | new ipk of what? |
| 20:15:15 | kergoth | wlan-ng was backreved, not updated |
| 20:15:22 | kergoth | its 0.1.12, not 0.1.14-blah |
| 20:15:30 | JasonNJ | kergoth ok all I need is spectrum-cs right |
| 20:15:40 | kergoth | also, theres now granular ssh packages in the feed that i built |
| 20:15:53 | kergoth | JasonNJ: yeah |
| 20:15:59 | hunger | kergoth: There is no new ipk at all! I updated apmd yesterday, so that's covered. Was that the only change for beta9 |
| 20:16:09 | kergoth | hunger: there are 4 new ssh packages |
| 20:16:18 | kergoth | hunger: and wlan-ng changed from 0.1.14 to 0.1.12 |
| 20:16:26 | wapplehead | is there a samba client for the zaurus? |
| 20:16:29 | hunger | kergoth: It won't get those I guess... |
| 20:16:31 | kergoth | hunger: wlansetup is newer than 8.5's |
| 20:16:53 | hunger | kergoth: I'll manually upgrade then:-( |
| 20:17:09 | hunger | kergoth: How do I upgrade using oipkg? Is that possible yet? |
| 20:17:10 | kergoth | like i said, the ssh packages were new additions, not version upgrades |
| 20:17:21 | kergoth | hunger: just tap on the package in docuements or file manager |
| 20:17:28 | kergoth | hunger: it works fine |
| 20:17:40 | kergoth | hunger: or did you mean a upgrade form fee? |
| 20:17:46 | kergoth | s/form fee/from feed/ |
| 20:17:52 | hunger | from feed. |
| 20:17:59 | kergoth | ah.. not certain |
| 20:18:10 | kergoth | tille just added the ability for it to list ipks that are in the Documents tab today |
| 20:18:18 | JasonNJ | kergoth failer |
| 20:18:21 | JasonNJ | failure |
| 20:18:24 | kergoth | JasonNJ: ? |
| 20:18:25 | JasonNJ | unresolved symbols error |
| 20:18:30 | kergoth | err |
| 20:18:36 | kergoth | what symbols? |
| 20:18:37 | kergoth | give me one |
| 20:18:47 | hunger | kergoth: Anyway: oipkg is so much nicer then the SHARP rom thingy. |
| 20:18:54 | wapplehead | anyone know how to mount smb shares on the zaurus? |
| 20:18:59 | kergoth | hunger: yeah.. its still got some UI quirks.. but we're getting there |
| 20:19:02 | JasonNJ | hold on let me output that to a file. |
| 20:19:07 | hunger | kergoth: It could give a bit more feedback though. |
| 20:19:07 | kergoth | JasonNJ: k |
| 20:19:14 | kergoth | hunger: how so? |
| 20:19:21 | kergoth | hunger: it displays the full output of running ipkg... |
| 20:19:29 | roge99_Z | hunger ... do you have the latest oipkg |
| 20:19:35 | | oipkg is at http://spinne.chemie.unibas.ch/~vogtp/opie/oipkg/ or Opie Projects advanced gui ipkg installer |
| 20:19:35 | kergoth | ibot: oipkg? |
| 20:19:38 | kergoth | use that one |
| 20:19:49 | hunger | kergoth: Tab update. nothing happens for a while, I'd had asumed the Z crashed if not for my network LEDs blinking. |
| 20:20:01 | kergoth | ah |
| 20:20:10 | benmeyer | The tree look in oipk just doesn't work |
| 20:20:12 | kergoth | it warns you now that i may hang while ipkg is working |
| 20:20:13 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:20:17 | benmeyer | man packages have large discriptions |
| 20:20:22 | kergoth | benmeyer: i agree. the UI needs some work |
| 20:20:40 | kergoth | benmeyer: you should give tille suggestions on the interface design. its got a lot of potential but its not intuitive |
| 20:20:44 | benmeyer | Destinations shouldn't be user configurable |
| 20:20:51 | kergoth | huh? |
| 20:21:00 | benmeyer | it should be in the settings file, but not user changable |
| 20:21:07 | bandito_whardier | iiiiiii yi yi yi yi yi yiiiii |
| 20:21:11 | benmeyer | that is an advanced user uption |
| 20:21:12 | bandito_whardier | thats a hip song out here |
| 20:21:17 | kergoth | could move it to an Advanced dialog |
| 20:21:24 | benmeyer | no |
| 20:21:28 | benmeyer | cf, sd, mem |
| 20:21:29 | bandito_whardier | can I go home now? |
| 20:21:31 | benmeyer | what else is there? |
| 20:21:38 | kergoth | benmeyer: any directory in the filesystem |
| 20:21:50 | hunger | roge99: I got what's in OZ. |
| 20:21:52 | kergoth | benmeyer: dont sacrifice power for ease of use, they can coexist |
| 20:22:00 | kergoth | hunger: the oz oipkg is old. grab the latest. |
| 20:22:07 | roge99_Z | yep |
| 20:22:11 | bandito_whardier | can you make opie scan more than one area for .desktop files? |
| 20:22:17 | hunger | kergoth: Update:-) |
| 20:22:19 | kergoth | bandito_whardier: not currently |
| 20:22:23 | JasonNJ | kergoth |
| 20:22:26 | kergoth | hunger: yeah i'm doing a new opie build for b9 |
| 20:22:28 | bandito_whardier | you should make a wrapper |
| 20:22:33 | kergoth | bandito_whardier: why? |
| 20:22:35 | kergoth | JasonNJ |
| 20:22:44 | bandito_whardier | so that when I boot with programs on the CF |
| 20:22:47 | bandito_whardier | they appear in opie |
| 20:22:52 | JasonNJ | I get the unresolved symbols in spectrum24t_cs.o |
| 20:22:54 | kergoth | bandito_whardier: they do |
| 20:22:54 | JasonNJ | then |
| 20:23:01 | bandito_whardier | really? |
| 20:23:03 | kergoth | bandito_whardier: oipkg symlinks shit into place |
| 20:23:05 | bandito_whardier | kewl |
| 20:23:07 | JasonNJ | in the post install script |
| 20:23:09 | kergoth | bandito_whardier: just like the sharp package installer does |
| 20:23:16 | JasonNJ | I get a syntax error |
| 20:23:19 | kergoth | hm |
| 20:23:19 | bandito_whardier | hmmmmm |
| 20:23:30 | kergoth | JasonNJ: give me an example of one of the unresolved symbols |
| 20:23:35 | JasonNJ | "fi" unexpexted , expecting " then " |
| 20:23:46 | kergoth | ah, mustve done something stupid. |
| 20:23:49 | kergoth | doublechecks the postinst |
| 20:24:12 | kergoth | JasonNJ: fyi, vmemo works. i closed that bug |
| 20:24:17 | JasonNJ | cool |
| 20:24:20 | JasonNJ | cant wait to try it |
| 20:24:30 | bandito_whardier | gobbles kergoths snicker |
| 20:24:41 | JasonNJ | now once I get this wlan working is it safe to do a ipkg upgrade |
| 20:24:45 | JasonNJ | or will bad things happen |
| 20:24:52 | kergoth | itll be fine |
| 20:24:55 | bandito_whardier | I just shrouded an entire island in wireless |
| 20:25:00 | kergoth | I need to put a new opie build in the feed soon |
| 20:25:02 | kergoth | bandito_whardier: hah |
| 20:25:02 | bandito_whardier | not many places I can go to get out of it |
| 20:25:09 | bandito_whardier | I am more than happy |
| 20:25:12 | JasonNJ | whardier: hey we need more pingizauru stuff. |
| 20:25:22 | bandito_whardier | I have a 600-700KB/s pipe wherever I go |
| 20:25:27 | JasonNJ | opie needs unique icons |
| 20:25:33 | JasonNJ | to differentiate from teh sharp rom |
| 20:25:39 | JasonNJ | every icon should be pingi themed |
| 20:25:39 | kergoth | agreed |
| 20:25:44 | bandito_whardier | JasonNJ: can you give me some time tostart ruling the world first? |
| 20:25:56 | JasonNJ | ok, but then you have to get to work |
| 20:26:06 | kergoth | god i hate building glibc |
| 20:26:10 | kergoth | takes wayyyyy too long |
| 20:26:10 | bandito_whardier | doesn't sound like I would rule much then |
| 20:26:14 | bandito_whardier | no shit |
| 20:26:22 | bandito_whardier | building or x compiling |
| 20:26:23 | bandito_whardier | heh |
| 20:26:28 | kergoth | x compiling |
| 20:26:32 | bandito_whardier | building takes less I would assume |
| 20:27:13 | kergoth | ljp_work: does 'timezones' still conflict with 'libc6'? |
| 20:27:17 | JasonNJ | btw default embeddedconsole color scheme should be green on black |
| 20:27:23 | JasonNJ | it starts up unreadable |
| 20:27:28 | JasonNJ | cause of the new busybox |
| 20:27:31 | kergoth | yeah I'll fix app defaults in a bit |
| 20:27:39 | kergoth | I'm trying to make shit work first ;-) |
| 20:27:45 | ljp_work | kergoth: don't knw |
| 20:29:13 | ljp_work | it did the last time I tried it |
| 20:29:33 | kergoth | man its nice to be able to use scp again |
| 20:30:48 | bandito_whardier | scp is fiiiine |
| 20:30:53 | bandito_whardier | you know what I wish |
| 20:31:03 | bandito_whardier | I HAD A FAT FUCKING PIPE TO THE REST OF THE WORLD! |
| 20:31:22 | bandito_whardier | 20KB/s from here to home |
| 20:31:37 | bandito_whardier | 56KB/s to the other side of the pipe |
| 20:31:51 | flamingcow | try a ds3 |
| 20:31:53 | flamingcow | sucka |
| 20:31:55 | flamingcow | :) |
| 20:32:03 | bandito_whardier | flamingcow I have one |
| 20:32:04 | bandito_whardier | AT HOME! |
| 20:32:12 | bandito_whardier | sucka |
| 20:32:24 | flamingcow | not that it speeds up sourceforge |
| 20:32:37 | bandito_whardier | but I am on an island very very very far away from home right now |
| 20:32:41 | hunger | kergoth: I just reported two bugs on the ssh ipks. They work though, even inspite of those. |
| 20:32:45 | bandito_whardier | my home is closer to seattle than I am right now |
| 20:32:53 | bandito_whardier | and I am from colorado |
| 20:32:54 | Neo|Work | is back (gone 00:22:20) |
| 20:33:59 | bandito_whardier | damn foxes keep yippin |
| 20:39:49 | hunger | What does 'ipkg: invalid magic' meen? |
| 20:40:23 | flamingcow | you lack magic |
| 20:40:44 | hunger | flamingcow: Nah... |
| 20:40:52 | flamingcow | you should probably refill your magic |
| 20:40:54 | flamingcow | hunger: the file is corrupted |
| 20:40:58 | hunger | flamingcow: Obviously I use white magic where blacvk magic was expected. |
| 20:41:25 | flamingcow | dude, all computers are black magic |
| 20:41:27 | flamingcow | you should know that :) |
| 20:41:30 | hunger | flamingcow: It said invalid magic, not 'not enough magic' |
| 20:41:43 | ApoXX | What is the qpe-thekompany ipkg? |
| 20:42:59 | hunger | ApoXX: That contains trade secret of theKompany! Do not install;-) |
| 20:43:14 | hunger | actually has no clue, so he should keep his mouth shut. |
| 20:43:46 | roge99 | ApoXX: its all the common files for theKomany's apps |
| 20:43:53 | ApoXX | okay |
| 20:44:13 | JasonNJ | kergoth you able to track down the problem? |
| 20:44:28 | ApoXX | roge99: so in otherwords, I need it to run anything tkc? |
| 20:44:34 | roge99 | right |
| 20:44:47 | benmeyer | kergoth: the The ir stuff works in opie right? |
| 20:44:59 | benmeyer | that was all open sourced non-propriatry right? |
| 20:48:51 | arno- | what did clarke say? 'a sufficiently advanced techmology is indistinguishable form magic' |
| 20:49:00 | arno- | ^or^ro |
| 20:54:25 | Twiun | hmmm... how would I go about running a tcl application? |
| 20:54:41 | wapplehead | has anyone been able to mount a smbfs partition? |
| 20:55:37 | roge99 | smbfs partition ??? |
| 20:55:54 | wapplehead | roge99: a samba share |
| 20:56:42 | roge99 | hmmm smbfs seems to be in the kernel ( at least in OZ ) |
| 20:57:10 | wapplehead | roge99: yeah but i cant find a client tool to help mount it |
| 20:57:15 | roge99 | ahhh |
| 20:58:54 | benmeyer | in the ir.cpp file it does some QCopEnvelope stuff |
| 20:59:43 | roge99 | wapplehead: the samba server is on sf ... smbmount is ususally distributed w/ it AFAIK |
| 20:59:46 | benmeyer | to "QPE/Obex", where would I find that? |
| 21:00:16 | wapplehead | roge99: wasnt sure if smbmount is in it, ill look into it thanks |
| 21:00:34 | roge99 | couldnt tell you havent installed it myself |
| 21:06:59 | mark | grr, still no hancom-buy option |
| 21:09:42 | tux_mike | well, i almost lost everything |
| 21:10:17 | roge99 | tux_mike: what ? |
| 21:11:05 | tux_mike | roge99: power outage caused my server to reset and caused some bigtime corruption on my /home |
| 21:11:14 | roge99 | ouch |
| 21:11:21 | roge99 | backup ? |
| 21:11:22 | tux_mike | so close to loosing all my email for the past year |
| 21:11:29 | tux_mike | i have no feesable backup method yet |
| 21:11:36 | tux_mike | i need a tape drive |
| 21:15:07 | kergoth | JasonNJ: i need one of the unresolved symbols you're seeing. |
| 21:21:07 | Neo|Work | kergoth: figured out why the nomtdram image things the 5000 has 64 MB of memory yet? |
| 21:21:43 | kergoth | Neo|Work: havent had time to test. |
| 21:28:14 | kergoth | benmeyer: there's no open source qt/qpe interface lib for accessing libopenobex |
| 21:28:25 | kergoth | benmeyer: except for the qobex lib which is closed source and in the sharp roms |
| 21:28:36 | kergoth | benmeyer: so.. we need to reinvent the wheel before beaming works |
| 21:28:42 | benmeyer | hmmm |
| 21:28:42 | kergoth | benmeyer: but basic IR works |
| 21:28:46 | kergoth | just no obex |
| 21:28:50 | benmeyer | what is obex? |
| 21:28:56 | | Check out Open OBEX at http://www.ravioli.pasta.cs.uit.no/open-obex/ |
| 21:28:56 | kergoth | ibot: obex? |
| 21:29:26 | kergoth | its whats used for beaming to palms and shit |
| 21:29:32 | benmeyer | doesn't the Ir class use obex |
| 21:29:35 | mark | i wish they'd just Open source it |
| 21:29:41 | kergoth | dont know, never used the ir class |
| 21:29:42 | kergoth | mark: no shit |
| 21:30:00 | Cam_ | look at the Agenda stuff, that uses an open source library to do obex. A Qt like wrapper should be trivial |
| 21:30:16 | kergoth | yeah, we have the open obex lib |
| 21:30:20 | kergoth | just needs a qt layer |
| 21:30:25 | mark | kergoth: such a pain, its t he one thing that i prefer the official rom for |
| 21:30:27 | kergoth | but no one has had time to write one up |
| 21:30:51 | mark | zecke was working on one last time i heard |
| 21:31:01 | Cam_ | I'm not sure there's any benefit in a Qt wrapper anyway, not from the Z point of view |
| 21:31:16 | kergoth | hunger: fyi, ssh-client and ssh-server install, but the postinsts fail, i know |
| 21:31:21 | Cam_ | just use it as a native linux lib |
| 21:31:24 | kergoth | hunger: update-alternatives does exist, fyi |
| 21:31:36 | kergoth | Cam_: yep, could do that. but no one has added support for it to opie yet ;-) |
| 21:31:48 | hunger | kergoth: then its complaining about some unknown option. |
| 21:32:07 | kergoth | i know |
| 21:32:11 | mark | kergoth, Cam_: libqobex adds the nice dialogs for receiving/sending as well afaiu |
| 21:32:17 | kergoth | but thats notthe biggest problem |
| 21:32:28 | kergoth | the large prob is the fact that update-rc.d and invoke-rc.d dont work |
| 21:32:31 | kergoth | because they're perl scripts |
| 21:32:45 | kergoth | so we either add chkconfig to the system, or use the shell versions of them |
| 21:32:48 | kergoth | which i'm trying to dig up atm |
| 21:33:06 | kergoth | okay, fixed the libc6-timezones conflit. |
| 21:33:10 | kergoth | s/conflit/conflict/ |
| 21:33:30 | ljp_work | groovey |
| 21:33:46 | kergoth | now i'll load timezones into b9... |
| 21:34:15 | kergoth | so the biggest bugs for the b9 release are now the ssh postinst scripts (lack of update-rc.d) and the symbol/socket driver failure |
| 21:34:24 | kergoth | JasonNJ: can you send me a log including the unresolved symbols you saw? |
| 21:35:55 | ljp_work | ya.. too bad the phone co screwed me over and I wont have dsl at home for a week or so... |
| 21:36:02 | kergoth | ack |
| 21:36:03 | kergoth | that blows |
| 21:36:09 | ljp_work | 's not happy |
| 21:37:13 | ljp_work | they temporarilydisconnected my phone for nonpayment, so I paid, but then I guess I was siupposed to also TELL them I paid,.. so they disconnected my phne, and I have to pay for starting everythingover |
| 21:37:21 | kergoth | ack |
| 21:37:23 | kergoth | raise some hell |
| 21:37:46 | ljp_work | I'm going to write a letter and ask for a credit, cause that really blows |
| 21:38:13 | ljp_work | funny I'd have to TELL them that I paid |
| 21:38:43 | kergoth | yeah thats pretty fucked up |
| 21:38:47 | ljp_work | I wont have dialtone till Tuesday at home |
| 21:38:50 | kergoth | not your problem their company doesnt know wtf is doing on |
| 21:39:00 | ljp_work | yep |
| 21:39:45 | ljp_work | and people think mircosoft is a monopoly.. try getting a different phone company |
| 21:41:05 | ljp_work | needs whardier's wireless setup |
| 21:44:33 | tux_mike | everyone needs whardier's setup |
| 21:46:03 | Cam_ | I need a wireless enabled ADSL router |
| 21:46:05 | ljp_work | heheh true |
| 21:46:28 | tux_mike | i need to make sure my PXE boot still works |
| 21:47:11 | tux_mike | loves not ever having to use any media to install :) |
| 21:49:45 | JasonNJ | kergoth: figure out what was with teh ipkg? |
| 21:50:34 | JasonNJ | whats the easiest way to output the ipkg messages to a file? |
| 21:51:34 | roge99 | ipkg commands > error.log 2>&1 |
| 21:53:13 | tux_mike | -_- |
| 21:55:59 | tux_mike | crap. no boot |
| 21:59:34 | nyargh | http://www.zauruszone.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard.cgi?s=3cd1b6497a55ffff;act=ST;f=15;t=51 |
| 21:59:41 | nyargh | ogg123 for zaurus |
| 21:59:42 | nyargh | enjoy |
| 22:00:47 | JasonNJ | ogg123? |
| 22:00:52 | JasonNJ | encoder? |
| 22:01:37 | nyargh | decoder |
| 22:02:31 | tux_mike | nyargh: are you using floating point? |
| 22:02:35 | nyargh | nope |
| 22:02:45 | ljp_work | source? |
| 22:02:50 | tux_mike | you are using the comercial library? |
| 22:02:53 | nyargh | oggonachip.sourceforge.net |
| 22:02:54 | nyargh | nope |
| 22:03:39 | nyargh | rtfm :) |
| 22:04:51 | ljp_work | no source there |
| 22:04:52 | JasonNJ | oh this is nice. |
| 22:05:12 | JasonNJ | I try an ipkg remove for spectrum_cs and it tells me it inst installed |
| 22:05:26 | JasonNJ | and I do an ipkg install for spectrum_cs and it tells me it is. |
| 22:05:28 | nyargh | ljp_work: look harder :) |
| 22:05:29 | JasonNJ | lovely. |
| 22:06:11 | JasonNJ | theres no way to hard reset openzaurus is there |
| 22:06:19 | JasonNJ | being that, its a single jffs2 |
| 22:06:24 | scanline | is away: I'm busy |
| 22:06:35 | scanline | is back (gone 00:00:04) |
| 22:06:47 | JasonNJ | I think we need to think about the whole single jffs2 layout thing differently |
| 22:06:49 | ljp_work | I did :http://sourceforge.net/projects/oggonachip |
| 22:07:01 | JasonNJ | maybe we need a small cramfs and a larger jffs2 |
| 22:07:10 | fusion94 | JasonNJ: need you to email some things to me |
| 22:07:21 | hunger | JasonNJ: Hard resetting worked for me. |
| 22:07:23 | JasonNJ | and the cramfs can contain a protected area where you can store settings |
| 22:07:25 | Neo|Work | wow, the new Hubble images are mindblowing |
| 22:07:37 | JasonNJ | fusion94: I need to send some stuff to you? |
| 22:08:44 | fusion94 | JasonNJ: yeah i need 2 addresses for sharp, the main address in japan and a bill to address for the Master Agreement |
| 22:09:06 | fusion94 | JasonNJ: those are the only things left to fill out on the Master Agreement doc |
| 22:10:17 | scanline | is away: digital logic lab... |
| 22:11:44 | ljp_work | is still looking for the source of that oggplayer for Z.... |
| 22:12:07 | JasonNJ | fusion94: get em from spence |
| 22:12:22 | fusion94 | heh ok |
| 22:14:00 | nyargh | ljp_work: hey |
| 22:14:06 | JasonNJ | what we really need is a fixed point ogg encoder |
| 22:14:11 | fusion94 | JasonNJ: i believe that that's called passing the buck |
| 22:14:18 | nyargh | ljp_work: read the fucking manual |
| 22:14:21 | JasonNJ | so we can do highly compressed voicememos |
| 22:14:30 | nyargh | ljp_work: it is linked against oggonachip's libvorbis |
| 22:14:40 | nyargh | ljp_work: ogg123 is part of vorbis-tools |
| 22:14:44 | JasonNJ | fusion94: dammit cant you see I am busy |
| 22:14:47 | JasonNJ | :) |
| 22:14:49 | fusion94 | heh |
| 22:14:54 | JasonNJ | give spencer something to do |
| 22:15:08 | fusion94 | so am i....theres more porn to d/l, i sent spence an email regarding it |
| 22:16:08 | ljp_work | hmmm I can't see where oggonachip has source ANYWHERE |
| 22:16:30 | ljp_work | theres no cvs nor have they relesaed files.. |
| 22:17:28 | ljp_work | if your going to release gpl binaries you should perhaps also give links to sources |
| 22:17:53 | nyargh | there is cvs you fucking moron |
| 22:17:58 | nyargh | that is where i got the source |
| 22:18:00 | fusion94 | ljp_work: too easy, makes too much sense, etc etc, et al, ad nauseum |
| 22:18:06 | hunger | ljp_work: s/should/must if requested/ |
| 22:18:11 | nyargh | you might want to look harder before you start throwing shit like license violations around |
| 22:18:28 | fusion94 | ljp_work: ogg vorbis sucks anyways |
| 22:18:41 | benmeyer | kergoth: how big is the base install? |
| 22:18:45 | benmeyer | do you use the full rom? |
| 22:18:52 | ljp_work | I'm not throwing ANY violations crap around.. I just don't see any |
| 22:19:46 | ljp_work | CVS Repository ( 0 commits, 0 adds ) |
| 22:19:57 | ljp_work | This Project Has Not Released Any Files |
| 22:20:00 | nyargh | uh |
| 22:20:03 | ljp_work | god I must be blind |
| 22:20:10 | nyargh | it /was/ there last week |
| 22:20:16 | nyargh | sorry |
| 22:20:17 | nyargh | hrm |
| 22:20:41 | nyargh | ok |
| 22:20:43 | nyargh | it's there |
| 22:20:46 | ljp_work | heheh maybe they pulled it so they could license it |
| 22:20:50 | nyargh | you are a fool |
| 22:20:57 | nyargh | hehehe no you are a retard |
| 22:21:03 | nyargh | and i'm not even gonna post the url for you |
| 22:21:15 | ljp_work | ya ok, be that way. |
| 22:21:28 | nyargh | just use the player and ask for the source if you're too dense to find it |
| 22:21:29 | nyargh | yeesh |
| 22:21:33 | fusion94 | see...thats exactly why mp3 > ogg vorgis |
| 22:21:45 | fusion94 | the idiots that are involved |
| 22:21:47 | ljp_work | hmm I just did ask for the source, did I not? |
| 22:21:57 | nyargh | ljp_work: do i look like the oggonachip maintainer? |
| 22:21:58 | ljp_work | YOU released the binaries |
| 22:22:08 | nyargh | i linked to another gpl'd library |
| 22:22:11 | nyargh | their responsibility |
| 22:22:15 | nyargh | you want my ogg123 patches? |
| 22:22:18 | ljp_work | no its yours |
| 22:22:26 | nyargh | nope |
| 22:22:28 | nyargh | linking |
| 22:22:29 | nyargh | hee hee |
| 22:22:38 | nyargh | diff vorbis-tools-1.0rc3_nohttp/ogg123/status.c vorbis-tools-1.0rc3/ogg123/status.c |
| 22:22:38 | nyargh | 200c200 |
| 22:22:38 | nyargh | < cur->formatstr = "%s"; |
| 22:22:38 | nyargh | --- |
| 22:22:38 | nyargh | > cur->formatstr = "Time: %s"; |
| 22:22:38 | nyargh | 240c240 |
| 22:22:40 | nyargh | < cur->verbosity = 3; |
| 22:22:42 | nyargh | --- |
| 22:22:44 | nyargh | > cur->verbosity = 2; |
| 22:22:46 | nyargh | 246c246 |
| 22:22:48 | nyargh | < cur->verbosity = 3; |
| 22:22:50 | nyargh | --- |
| 22:22:52 | nyargh | > cur->verbosity = 2; |
| 22:22:54 | nyargh | 252c252 |
| 22:22:56 | nyargh | < cur->verbosity = 3; |
| 22:22:58 | nyargh | --- |
| 22:23:00 | nyargh | > cur->verbosity = 2; |
| 22:23:02 | nyargh | 258c258 |
| 22:23:02 | treke | moron |
| 22:23:04 | nyargh | < cur->verbosity = 3; |
| 22:23:06 | nyargh | --- |
| 22:23:08 | nyargh | > cur->verbosity = 2; |
| 22:23:10 | nyargh | 271c271 |
| 22:23:12 | nyargh | < cur->verbosity = 4; |
| 22:23:14 | nyargh | --- |
| 22:23:15 | ljp_work | fu asswipe |
| 22:23:16 | nyargh | > cur->verbosity = 2; |
| 22:23:18 | nyargh | 277c277 |
| 22:23:20 | nyargh | < cur->verbosity = 4; |
| 22:23:22 | nyargh | --- |
| 22:23:24 | nyargh | > cur->verbosity = 1; |
| 22:23:26 | nyargh | diff vorbis-tools-1.0rc3_nohttp/ogg123/transport.c vorbis-tools-1.0rc3/ogg123/transport.c |
| 22:23:28 | nyargh | 26c26 |
| 22:23:30 | nyargh | < transport_t *transports[] = { &file_transport, NULL }; |
| 22:23:32 | nyargh | --- |
| 22:23:34 | nyargh | > transport_t *transports[] = { &http_transport, &file_transport, NULL }; |
| 22:23:36 | nyargh | oh |
| 22:23:38 | nyargh | and |
| 22:23:43 | nyargh | sue me. |
| 22:23:49 | nyargh | hahahah |
| 22:23:50 | treke | were you born a fucking idiot or did it take hard work? |
| 22:23:51 | nyargh | have fun kids |
| 22:24:18 | fusion94 | too late |
| 22:24:27 | fusion94 | what an assmonkey |
| 22:25:18 | W|GGL|T | wtf |
| 22:32:10 | JasonNJ | this is annoying me |
| 22:32:24 | JasonNJ | chanserv wont let me add priveleged users |
| 22:32:29 | JasonNJ | cause my access level is 30 |
| 22:32:36 | JasonNJ | and someone else registered the frickin channel |
| 22:32:41 | JasonNJ | er my access level is not 30 |
| 22:33:08 | fusion94 | bah |
| 22:33:11 | JasonNJ | nelson from #handhelds.org registered the channel |
| 22:33:13 | fusion94 | who registed the channel ? |
| 22:33:17 | JasonNJ | he added me way back when |
| 22:33:28 | JasonNJ | he is level 1 and I am level 2 |
| 22:33:54 | fusion94 | JasonNJ: fixing it now |
| 22:34:04 | JasonNJ | how do you fix that? |
| 22:34:12 | fusion94 | fear the ircop |
| 22:34:15 | JasonNJ | ah. |
| 22:34:22 | JasonNJ | nice perk |
| 22:34:29 | JasonNJ | irc.linux.com is OSDN |
| 22:34:38 | JasonNJ | guess they havent yanked your privs |
| 22:34:40 | JasonNJ | :) |
| 22:34:44 | fusion94 | yeah which i ran/admined forever |
| 22:34:52 | JasonNJ | dude make me an ircop |
| 22:36:01 | JasonNJ | alright time for me go go home |
| 22:36:41 | fusion94 | JasonNJ: your privs are being fixed now |
| 22:38:12 | lilo` | looks in |
| 22:38:15 | lilo` | waves |
| 22:38:23 | Twiun | waves back |
| 22:41:35 | roge99 | nite all |
| 22:41:59 | roge99 | is away: off to the casino $$$$ > /dev/null |
| 22:49:00 | MSpin | heh..money pipes |
| 22:49:26 | nyargh | whee |
| 22:49:27 | nyargh | that was fun |
| 22:49:40 | murph | breathes a big sigh of relief. |
| 22:49:49 | nyargh | me too |
| 22:49:55 | murph | My Z had a near-death experience. |
| 22:50:01 | nyargh | doh |
| 22:50:38 | murph | I went outside last night to try to test out my GPS, and didn't realize it had just started to rain... |
| 22:51:02 | murph | Immediately got a big ol' drop of water on top of the Z. |
| 22:51:32 | nyargh | ackj |
| 22:51:35 | nyargh | scary |
| 22:51:44 | murph | I thought it had survived, but a few minutes later it started making funny noises and the screen was fading. |
| 22:52:05 | murph | So I pulled the battery, shook it up a bit, and let it sit overnight. |
| 22:52:14 | murph | And now it appears to be fine. |
| 22:52:17 | murph | *whew* |
| 22:57:04 | MSpin | murph: CF GPS or serial? |
| 23:05:01 | Neo|Work | anyone knows how well the SL5500 is doing in retail? |
| 23:05:09 | Neo|Work | would be nice to hear some numbers |
| 23:10:41 | Neo|Work | does tkcmahjong have a board shuffle ? |
| 23:23:37 | MSpin | NeoTron: I heard some stuff, but I don' |
| 23:23:42 | MSpin | NeoTron: I heard some stuff, but I don't know if I trust it |
| 23:24:28 | MSpin | I |
| 23:24:30 | MSpin | grr |
| 23:24:31 | W|GGL|T | good or bad stuff? :o) |
| 23:24:38 | MSpin | W|GGL|T: *very* good |
| 23:25:08 | W|GGL|T | i forgot to ask the salesman how they were selling when i bought mine |
| 23:25:09 | MSpin | I've sold at least two people on 'em |
| 23:25:18 | MSpin | my friend did the same |
| 23:25:29 | W|GGL|T | i know one guy who's returning his tho :o( |
| 23:25:47 | MSpin | damn! the cancels out one of mine! |
| 23:26:07 | MSpin | I might sell my 5000d on eBay and buy a 5500 |
| 23:26:48 | W|GGL|T | that's what this guy did |
| 23:27:16 | W|GGL|T | i asked him why and he said it was too expensive and he didnt do all that much with it |
| 23:27:36 | W|GGL|T | he's right, it is expensive but im never getting rid of mine! |
| 23:27:38 | MSpin | understandable |
| 23:27:50 | MSpin | I use mine:) |
| 23:28:12 | W|GGL|T | i try to...i just have a slower pace than the avg linux geek :o) |
| 23:28:30 | W|GGL|T | i use it as a PIM but i'd like to hack it |
| 23:28:56 | MSpin | yeah, it's a decent PIM |
| 23:30:22 | W|GGL|T | i need to rebuild my monetary reserves before i can get Z accessories...heh |
| 23:30:28 | MSpin | hehe |
| 23:30:29 | MSpin | yeah |
| 23:30:36 | MSpin | toys:) |
| 23:30:46 | MSpin | I bought a wireless card..it's awesome |
| 23:31:03 | W|GGL|T | that's what i need....a wireless network |
| 23:31:05 | MSpin | I jsut need to get a bluetooth card |
| 23:31:18 | MSpin | the Z+BT would rock |
| 23:31:37 | MSpin | streaming mp3s to a wireless headset would be cool |
| 23:32:01 | MSpin | with a little voice synth to notify me when I have an incoming call |
| 23:33:19 | murph | MSpin: To answer your question from like 2 years ago, CF GPS. |
| 23:34:14 | MSpin | murph: cool, how big is it? |
| 23:35:28 | MEGASTeP | is zauruszone having problems or what? |
| 23:35:40 | W|GGL|T | that nyargh guy was a....bunghole |
| 23:35:44 | murph | Not very. It extends about 2.5" above the top, is barely wider than the CF slot, and max about an inch thick. |
| 23:37:40 | MSpin | cool |
| 23:37:58 | MSpin | I wish they were the size of the linksys wlan cards |
| 23:50:46 | nasa | so what is the status on oz beta 9? |
| 23:58:19 | doobery | TheKompany have done a great job with tkcJabber. |
| 23:58:33 | doobery | (just testing it now) |