| 00:05:01 | ljp_studio | crap! trying to get some friggin work done, and the darned irc netsplit crap keeps going on.. |
| 00:31:27 | tux_mike | collapses |
| 01:20:43 | Neo|Work | is away: home for the weekend and such |
| 01:26:39 | BigBoss | l |
| 01:28:54 | ljp_studio | >> |
| 01:32:21 | kergoth`zzz | fyi |
| 01:32:35 | kergoth | beta8.5 is on sf.. a bit more minimal a opie install this time |
| 01:51:08 | ljp_studio | hey kergoth: |
| 01:51:28 | ljp_studio | Harlekin and I are trying to add libffmpeg to opieplayer |
| 01:52:26 | ljp_studio | which means divx |
| 01:54:12 | Guru | hello |
| 01:54:40 | Guru | whats new |
| 01:56:56 | ljp_studio | OZbeta 8.5 |
| 01:58:31 | BZFlag | sees the guy that took his other nick when it expired. "Guru" ;-) |
| 02:03:15 | Guru | 8.5 |
| 02:06:17 | jay | 9.2 |
| 02:11:54 | ljp_studio | BZFlag: do you know how to get ahold of Fastolfe? |
| 02:12:52 | NeoTron | is back (gone 09:46:02) |
| 02:18:37 | Guru | any cool new apps out for the Z |
| 02:25:40 | Vlade | is the new beta (8.5) still very buggy, or is it usable? |
| 02:26:14 | Guru | is anyone using SD card on their Z? |
| 02:26:52 | BZFlag | ljp_studio: I think he is pierre@ijustgotfired.com |
| 02:27:58 | BZFlag | ljp_studio: pierre_coupard@hotmail.com should work too. |
| 02:28:34 | Guru | I heard there are probs w/128meg cards. is that true? |
| 02:29:22 | Guru | Im using the CF slot for 802.11b |
| 02:31:08 | Guru | anyone have experience w128meg SD cards? |
| 02:58:45 | ljp_studio | BZFlag: thank you |
| 02:59:29 | Guru | hey |
| 02:59:34 | ljp_studio | hello |
| 03:00:00 | Guru | whats up |
| 03:04:30 | ljp_studio | nothing much fairly quiet |
| 03:28:33 | W|GGL|T | is away: I'm busy smoking a blunt or sleeping or something |
| 03:36:07 | scanline | is away: fun, games, and explosions. 100% bannana free |
| 03:44:25 | MrNoVA | So, the addressbook and calendar store their data in XML. I'm thinking there should be a way to extract the data from Entourage on Mac OS X, format it to XML, and scp it over |
| 03:45:59 | roge99 | MrNoVA: i do just that w/ a perl script for evolution |
| 03:46:25 | MrNoVA | I have to figure out what format Entourage stores the data |
| 03:46:55 | roge99 | that i cant help you with |
| 03:46:59 | sitruC | is a little tipsy |
| 03:47:58 | MrNoVA | Damn, it appears to be in som ebinary format |
| 03:49:47 | MrNoVA | Does the Zaurus import vCard or iCal? |
| 03:50:55 | roge99 | not that i know of |
| 03:51:11 | roge99 | i have a script to dump vcard to xml |
| 03:53:09 | MrNoVA | Oh? |
| 03:53:11 | MrNoVA | perl? |
| 03:53:17 | roge99 | yea |
| 03:53:36 | roge99 | accualy its for evolution's addressbook |
| 03:53:54 | roge99 | which is a sleepcat db of vcard data |
| 03:54:02 | MrNoVA | Ah |
| 03:54:16 | roge99 | its on SF if you want to take a look |
| 03:55:17 | MrNoVA | Thanks |
| 04:03:58 | Guru | Hello All! |
| 04:05:23 | MrNoVA | Hello |
| 04:06:26 | Guru | Anything new going on in Zaurus Land? |
| 04:07:01 | Guru | BTW.. I love my SMC 2642w CF 802.11b card for my Zaurus! |
| 04:08:22 | MrNoVA | Cool |
| 04:08:30 | MrNoVA | I have the Symbol Spectrum24... no go yet |
| 04:08:43 | MrNoVA | Works well on my PocketPC - that I am selling |
| 04:10:15 | treke | ah success |
| 04:10:53 | MrNoVA | success |
| 04:13:01 | Guru | i hear the symbol uses less power than the smc |
| 04:13:15 | sitruC | just went wireless today :) |
| 04:13:25 | Guru | but my SMC seems to be pretty good, I used my PDA to browse the web for almost 30min today, and the battery meter still read good |
| 04:13:26 | sitruC | i got the smc |
| 04:13:34 | Guru | cool! |
| 04:13:41 | Guru | pretty much plug and play |
| 04:14:06 | sitruC | yeah |
| 04:14:19 | sitruC | i'm new to wireless ethernet, it's insanely trivially nothing |
| 04:14:30 | sitruC | smiles |
| 04:14:37 | treke | wireless rocks |
| 04:14:38 | MrNoVA | Nah, has a great geek factor |
| 04:14:46 | sitruC | 64 bytes from 172.16.0.3: icmp_seq=93 ttl=255 time=4.463 ms |
| 04:14:46 | sitruC | 64 bytes from 172.16.0.3: icmp_seq=94 ttl=255 time=3.872 ms |
| 04:14:47 | Guru | wireless is cool! |
| 04:14:54 | sitruC | i've actually been pinging it for the last little while |
| 04:15:10 | sitruC | in the charger because i haven't for a few days :) (although just got the card today) |
| 04:15:40 | Guru | sitruC: what AP do you have, and what kind of range do you get? |
| 04:16:23 | sitruC | guru: smc barricade |
| 04:16:25 | sitruC | as for range |
| 04:16:29 | MrNoVA | I use Apple Airport |
| 04:16:37 | sitruC | it's worked at least the 15ft apart i've tried it so far |
| 04:17:20 | sitruC | i really didn't put much thought into the AP |
| 04:17:44 | sitruC | my real goal is to convince my work to service the neighbourhood with 802.11b.. home isn't a big deal :) |
| 04:17:45 | Guru | hmm.. I use the D-Link 1000AP, with my Zaurus and the SMC 2642w, I can pretty much go anywhere in my house and it works. I haven't tried going outside yet. |
| 04:18:02 | Guru | where do you work? |
| 04:18:27 | sitruC | my local telephone company |
| 04:18:46 | sitruC | as a network analyst, i'm hoping that'll help my plight |
| 04:19:06 | MrNoVA | Hehe |
| 04:19:18 | MrNoVA | I am going to take an AP to work |
| 04:19:43 | MrNoVA | For my Powerbook, the Zaurus, and a couple of m y staff |
| 04:20:08 | sitruC | one of my fellow geeks requisitioned a cisco AP this afternoon from our local cisco rep |
| 04:20:34 | sitruC | so i've had this working on that and my smc ap thus far |
| 04:22:02 | sitruC | of course, now i'm bored |
| 04:22:10 | Guru | cool!. I wish my work would spring for a wireless network! |
| 04:23:13 | sitruC | what do you do? |
| 04:25:17 | Guru | Real Estate Agent! |
| 04:25:29 | Guru | <until I finish my CS Degree> |
| 04:25:41 | Guru | www.ERAchampion.com |
| 04:26:22 | MrNoVA | Great you're going to school |
| 04:27:29 | Guru | What are you guys using for IRC client on the Zaurus? |
| 04:28:01 | sitruC | another computer someplace else |
| 04:32:30 | sitruC | has only had his sl5500 for two weeks and is lurking |
| 04:32:51 | ExtremeSIMS | I just bought mine on Wednesday |
| 04:33:21 | sitruC | there, i don't feel so bad being a newbie |
| 04:34:18 | Guru | I just got mine yesterday! |
| 04:34:22 | sitruC | nice display |
| 04:34:43 | ExtremeSIMS | I already miss my Casio E-125 display. |
| 04:35:01 | ExtremeSIMS | But the Zaurus is readable outside |
| 04:38:11 | sitruC | i'm upgrading (of sorts) from a 2lb toshiba libretto 70ct laptop with a (poorly lit) 6.7" 640x480 display. 120mhz pentium, 24mb, ~2h runtime |
| 04:38:33 | sitruC | pretty old now |
| 04:39:05 | Guru | Z is better all around except for the smaller screensize |
| 04:39:32 | sitruC | yep |
| 04:39:53 | sitruC | well, i have managed to toss a 20gb ibm 2.5" disk into the libretto in it's later years ;-) |
| 04:40:05 | ExtremeSIMS | I compared it to other PDAs - |
| 04:40:12 | Guru | im just waiting for a cool IM client to be ported... I'd like to see Gaim for the Zaurus |
| 04:40:28 | ExtremeSIMS | Windows CE/PocketPC - the new Toshiba 400Mhz one looks real purty, but no sync with Entourage on Mac OS X |
| 04:40:42 | sitruC | my "other" PDA is a palm iii, which i used for a bit.. |
| 04:40:52 | Guru | tosh has a PDA at 400mhz? |
| 04:41:01 | ExtremeSIMS | Palm - just a database, really |
| 04:41:12 | ExtremeSIMS | Yes, an XScale one - out in japan first, then here in the US |
| 04:41:23 | Guru | I had a Palm IIIc. and a Palm Vx |
| 04:41:59 | Guru | I loved the Vx... the greatest thing about it was all the apps it had... but it was a bit limited in that it only had 8megs of memory |
| 04:42:32 | Guru | the OS was not really a full blown OS either. |
| 04:43:05 | sitruC | i thought the apps that shipped with the palm3 wear excellent, but it's no unix box on wheels |
| 04:43:12 | Guru | but I miss the batterylife.. I dont think I ever ran down the battery.. (of course there was no 802.11b or Color Screen either!) |
| 04:43:25 | BZFlag | kinkatta is an AIM app that should run on the zaurus. |
| 04:43:37 | ExtremeSIMS | I like pocketpc platform, but without SSH... |
| 04:43:50 | Guru | I was not too impressed with the default Palm apps, but the 3rd party apps rocked.. DateBk4, etc. |
| 04:43:56 | ExtremeSIMS | I would like to see an AIM and an ICQ for Zaurus released by AOL and ICQ |
| 04:44:14 | Guru | We need a free AIM/Yahoo/MSN client for Zaurus |
| 04:44:21 | BZFlag | ExtremeSIMS: email them. aol has at least been in contact with sharp. |
| 04:44:39 | ExtremeSIMS | :) I have some "inside" info on that/ |
| 04:45:26 | ExtremeSIMS | Shame, since AIM and POcketPC and Yahoo! for PocketPC are pretty nice |
| 04:45:47 | Guru | really? hmmm. never seen them |
| 04:46:09 | ExtremeSIMS | Yeah. Pretty nice. AOL Mail for PocketPC is also pretty nice |
| 04:46:25 | BZFlag | they took a while to get released. hand in there. ;-) |
| 04:46:34 | Guru | I hope Zaurus catches up to PocketPC soon.. but you gotta remember PocketPC has been out for 3 yrs now. |
| 04:46:36 | BZFlag | er hang in there. |
| 04:46:42 | ExtremeSIMS | Oh< i know |
| 04:47:09 | ExtremeSIMS | I know. |
| 04:47:31 | ExtremeSIMS | Just have to start bugging the folks out in ICQ some more |
| 04:50:18 | W|GGL|T | application icons as question marks mean what? a desktop icon wasn't created? |
| 04:51:21 | W|GGL|T | note that DocReader ebook reader is pretty nice |
| 04:51:28 | W|GGL|T | java reader |
| 04:53:08 | ExtremeSIMS | The free PDF reader looks to be a wiunner, too. |
| 04:54:28 | sitruC | someone should make a list of good apps |
| 04:54:58 | sitruC | well, i'm just lazy |
| 04:55:55 | ExtremeSIMS | http://www.infosync.no/news/2002/n/1752.php |
| 05:19:41 | Guru | hello |
| 05:20:34 | Guru | whats going on |
| 05:20:54 | Guru | any news today |
| 07:57:17 | Speedy2 | hey all |
| 08:05:52 | Speedy2 | Yo hunger |
| 08:28:52 | NeoTron | dammit |
| 08:28:58 | NeoTron | locks his zaurus up... |
| 08:29:07 | hunger | Yo Speedy2. |
| 08:35:14 | NeoTron | fuck it I give up |
| 08:35:30 | NeoTron | #!@#!@# stupid device keeps lockign up for no good reason |
| 09:08:15 | whardier | is in alaska |
| 09:08:16 | whardier | *shudder* |
| 09:13:45 | whardier | is now going to bed |
| 09:24:47 | vilmund | sublime |
| 09:25:29 | vilmund | perhaps they are more literate than you think speaking several languages |
| 09:32:56 | mark | any idea how to get around the fact that I can't #ifdef around different class defintions? |
| 09:32:59 | mark | #ifndef FEAT_GUI_OPIE |
| 09:32:59 | mark | class VimWidget : public QFrame, virtual public KVim |
| 09:32:59 | mark | #else |
| 09:32:59 | mark | class VimWidget : public QFrame |
| 09:32:59 | mark | #endif |
| 09:33:15 | mark | wont work |
| 09:34:26 | Narrowmind | ugh |
| 09:36:11 | Twiun | mark: How about making two classes and putting the ifdef around the #include statements? |
| 09:38:09 | mark | Twiun: i'd prefer not to do that, but I could |
| 09:38:21 | mark | Twiun: i can't sorta alias KVim to 0L can I or something? |
| 09:39:49 | Twiun | mark: Hehe... that was a shot in the dark... I'm clueless in C/C++ |
| 09:40:11 | Twiun | I need to get into it at some point |
| 09:41:49 | mark | hehe |
| 11:15:04 | xso | Hi there. Has anyone experienced any problems with synchronising Zaurus and KDE app. |
| 11:17:19 | Speedy2 | Wow |
| 11:17:24 | Speedy2 | People alive |
| 11:18:03 | xso | At least breathing ;-> |
| 11:40:44 | Morfio | hi, does anyone knows a tutorial how to setup the Z via usb on RedHat Linux? |
| 11:45:38 | Morfio | nobody? |
| 11:47:18 | Morfio | only a link?? pppplllleeeeeaaaaasssssssseeeeeeeee |
| 11:49:43 | | rumour has it faq is at http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/zaurus-faq/ or at http://www.handhelds.org/handhelds-faq/handhelds-faq.html |
| 11:49:43 | arno | ibot faq |
| 11:51:35 | Morfio | thx |
| 12:00:32 | josejavier | is back (gone 29:38:44) |
| 12:45:32 | EGrimm | Is there a program to track golf scores for Zaurus 5500? Intelligolf say they have no plans 2 support Linux. |
| 13:26:57 | ljp_studio | EGrimm: thats a good idea for a program. I never thought of that |
| 13:46:17 | shoe | anybody alive? |
| 13:46:22 | shoe | how's beta8 lookin? |
| 13:46:31 | shoe | kicks ljp |
| 13:50:14 | Captain_Midnight | is back after 0 d 16 h 49 m 3 s |
| 13:50:44 | Captain_Midnight | Morning mark |
| 13:50:57 | mark | hi Captain_Midnight |
| 13:50:58 | shoe | hey Cap'n |
| 13:50:59 | mark | thanks for ur mail |
| 13:51:21 | mark | i've got an up to date diff now, but in the process fixed the problem, and now have a new one to deal with :) |
| 13:52:06 | Captain_Midnight | What is the new one ? |
| 13:52:23 | mark | the fact that TT diddn't implement QColor::setNamedColor properly in qt/e |
| 13:52:40 | Captain_Midnight | ah yes, ran into that myself |
| 13:52:49 | mark | really? what did you do about it? |
| 13:52:53 | Captain_Midnight | Haven't found a work around yet. |
| 13:53:01 | mark | :( |
| 13:53:06 | mark | have you emailed tt? |
| 13:53:07 | Captain_Midnight | That was about the point I threw my hands into the air and screemed |
| 13:53:40 | Captain_Midnight | Nope, wanted to see if there was a way around it without having to hack the underlying system. |
| 13:53:57 | Captain_Midnight | Didn't want to have to get everyone and their uncle to update their Zaurus to run a program. |
| 13:56:55 | mark | yeh |
| 13:56:59 | mark | but it should be fixed |
| 13:57:11 | mark | I did the same re screaming :) |
| 13:57:18 | Captain_Midnight | Did you look at the header file? |
| 13:57:31 | Captain_Midnight | It is in there I think just commented out as unnecessary on this type of device. |
| 13:57:54 | mark | grrrr |
| 13:58:12 | mark | ways round it - big if/else if/else if etc? |
| 13:58:30 | Captain_Midnight | well just a sec. |
| 13:59:07 | Captain_Midnight | need to reinstall the development packages, just rebuilt this box yesterday. |
| 13:59:43 | Captain_Midnight | ls |
| 13:59:58 | Captain_Midnight | makes sure he has the right window active this time. |
| 14:00:11 | mark | hehe |
| 14:02:15 | Captain_Midnight | hmm...Actually it wasn't setNamedColor I ran into, it was setting up a QColor object that later called setNamedColor |
| 14:03:08 | Captain_Midnight | So I haven't run into the same problem yet, but I guess I very well may. |
| 14:04:32 | ljp_studio | shoe: 8.5 is nice! timezones need work.. |
| 14:04:45 | shoe | is downloading |
| 14:04:53 | mark | Captain_Midnight: heh, you will |
| 14:05:03 | shoe | ljp: will I be able to set my local time? |
| 14:05:07 | mark | Captain_Midnight: there is kde code that may be useful though |
| 14:05:09 | ljp_studio | yes |
| 14:05:12 | Captain_Midnight | mark: How necessary are named colors though? |
| 14:05:18 | shoe | ok, sweet |
| 14:05:23 | mark | Captain_Midnight: v ncessary for kvim :) |
| 14:05:27 | ljp_studio | but in CityTime app all timezones say the local set time |
| 14:05:32 | shoe | haha nice |
| 14:05:53 | ljp_studio | but time is correctly remembered on resume |
| 14:06:15 | Captain_Midnight | Could we simply overload the class with a new function for it? Like have it call ZColor instead of QColor? I am sure KDE has something like KColor. |
| 14:06:19 | ljp_studio | and keyclick and touchclicks sounds work, if you need those |
| 14:07:55 | mark | Captain_Midnight: yeh, its just annoying to have to do something :) - i wanted to keep as close to original sources as possible |
| 14:08:24 | Captain_Midnight | this is true. They arne't using Kcolor in there? |
| 14:08:30 | mark | nope |
| 14:08:36 | Captain_Midnight | darn that would have made it easy |
| 14:08:46 | mark | http://developer.kde.org/documentation/library/cvs-api/classref/kdeui/KColor.html |
| 14:09:08 | mark | nothing that useful there |
| 14:09:20 | mark | have a look at kdelibs/khtml/misc/helper.cpp though if you have it |
| 14:09:46 | Captain_Midnight | Nope, but if they had used Kcolor you could have made your replacement kcolor as well, and ifdef'ed it to compile yoru version. |
| 14:09:58 | mark | yeh |
| 14:10:07 | mark | true |
| 14:10:34 | mark | hmm, actually, no reason not to write a little zColor class for it |
| 14:10:40 | mark | QColor isn't extensively used |
| 14:11:05 | Captain_Midnight | screams that he forgot to install ncftp. |
| 14:11:18 | mark | an object is usually just created to get a pixel value then deleted again |
| 14:14:44 | josejavier | is away: Estoy ocupado |
| 14:14:52 | Captain_Midnight | ah the HTMLColor's structure? |
| 14:15:40 | mark | Captain_Midnight: yeh |
| 14:15:53 | mark | and the setNamedColor function |
| 14:15:59 | Captain_Midnight | yup |
| 14:16:11 | Captain_Midnight | looks like your class may already be written for you ;-) |
| 14:16:35 | Captain_Midnight | forgot I was logged in twice. |
| 14:18:02 | mark | :) |
| 14:18:42 | mark | Captain_Midnight: grr, setNamedColor isn't virtual |
| 14:19:38 | Captain_Midnight | Okay that sort of sucks. |
| 14:19:57 | mark | that very much sucks |
| 14:20:07 | mark | forgets a nice reusable class |
| 14:21:59 | jay | is there anyway i can apply the usbdnet patch to my kernel and make it work without having to recompile the whole kernel |
| 14:22:40 | mark | jay: hm, you shoulnd't have to recompile the whole kernel |
| 14:22:42 | Captain_Midnight | if you have your current kernel source and tree, you may be able to just recompile the module |
| 14:23:08 | Captain_Midnight | it depends on the distribution though, Mandrake doesn't often ship the matching code to their released kernel |
| 14:23:38 | jay | im using suse 8 |
| 14:27:30 | Captain_Midnight | SuSe 8 you should be fine. |
| 14:27:46 | Captain_Midnight | I haven't done it yet though, but I am on SuSE 8 right now |
| 14:29:37 | jay | these svg icons on gnome are really nice |
| 14:29:47 | jay | lets go kde svg support |
| 14:31:02 | Captain_Midnight | is AWAY at 10:35:40 : Gone to find Breakfast. |
| 14:38:41 | shoe | is there anyway to specify the path of upload when sending files to the Z using QTopiaDesktop? |
| 14:42:30 | mark | Captain_Midnight: gah, code working v well on qt and completely not working on qt/e |
| 14:46:23 | shoe | is there anyway to get rid of the *.desktop files? |
| 14:46:28 | shoe | besides just rm'ing them |
| 14:58:05 | shoe | hmm |
| 14:58:15 | shoe | beta8.5... my keyboard and stylus don't work |
| 14:58:16 | shoe | haha |
| 14:58:19 | shoe | this rules |
| 14:59:03 | ljp_studio | huh? really? thats odd |
| 14:59:22 | shoe | okie |
| 14:59:22 | shoe | well |
| 14:59:23 | shoe | rebooting |
| 14:59:25 | shoe | haha |
| 15:00:23 | zacs | are there any tools for the zaurus to sync with kde? |
| 15:00:32 | shoe | bunch of modprobe: cannot locate module errors at the beginning |
| 15:01:03 | hunger | shoe: My keyboard works. |
| 15:01:08 | shoe | not sure that would affect the keyboard |
| 15:01:23 | hunger | shoe: So did my stylus before I broke OPIE;-) |
| 15:01:46 | shoe | well |
| 15:02:03 | shoe | it was stuck on the internal storage media question |
| 15:02:11 | shoe | removing sd card now... |
| 15:02:15 | shoe | ok now I get the calibrate screen |
| 15:02:37 | shoe | looks good now |
| 15:02:39 | shoe | that's a huge bug |
| 15:04:46 | shoe | damn |
| 15:04:52 | shoe | what a great rom |
| 15:04:58 | shoe | this is my first look at oz |
| 15:05:02 | shoe | slimmed down |
| 15:05:07 | shoe | nice looking |
| 15:05:31 | hunger | shoe: Yes, the media-question bug is known. |
| 15:05:46 | shoe | hunger: ah, ok |
| 15:05:48 | shoe | hmm |
| 15:05:51 | shoe | no wlan yet? |
| 15:06:13 | hunger | shoe: Wlan should work. |
| 15:06:22 | shoe | Can't open: /etc/pcmia/wlan-ng.opts |
| 15:06:26 | hunger | shoe: I don't have wlan, so I can't say for sure though. |
| 15:06:32 | shoe | oh ok |
| 15:08:20 | riddley | Hi |
| 15:09:30 | riddley | Where can I find the latest OpenSSH for the Z ? http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=39939 links to 1.2.3, but http://www.zauruszone.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard.cgi?s=3ccab77b693fffff;act=ST;f=15;t=1;st=10 references 3.0.2p1, but the link is a 404 |
| 15:09:39 | hunger | shoe: I think ifdown is missing on beta8.5 |
| 15:09:50 | shoe | ahh |
| 15:11:04 | riddley | AAh I found it. |
| 15:11:10 | shoe | how do I turn on stylus clicks? |
| 15:11:35 | riddley | click the sound icon in the taskbar |
| 15:11:44 | hunger | shoe: beta8.5 seems rathe rbroken wrt. networking for me:-( |
| 15:11:56 | hunger | shoe: Nope: Stettings, Sound |
| 15:12:00 | shoe | did |
| 15:12:06 | shoe | no option there |
| 15:12:28 | shoe | there it is |
| 15:14:23 | shoe | no calendar or address book? guess I'll grab those myself... |
| 15:15:23 | hunger | shoe: The beta8 was too big to fit into the ROM, so kergoth 'downsized' it a bit for beta8.5 |
| 15:15:40 | shoe | that's cool |
| 15:15:47 | shoe | I consider it a feature to be able to grab my apps myself |
| 15:17:30 | hunger | shoe: Well, he 'forgot' dhcpcd I think. |
| 15:17:40 | shoe | haha |
| 15:17:55 | ljp_studio | submit a bug report.. |
| 15:18:06 | shoe | looks for a good calendar |
| 15:19:05 | hunger | shoe: ipkg install opie-datebook |
| 15:19:14 | shoe | datebook, eh? |
| 15:21:08 | shoe | what's the best feed for opie apps? looks like oz3 doesn't have datebook |
| 15:22:12 | hunger | shoe: It has... |
| 15:22:24 | hunger | shoe: It's ipkg that's spooked again:-( |
| 15:22:55 | shoe | oh no :) |
| 15:23:36 | shoe | yeah, there it is |
| 15:23:45 | shoe | hmm weird that it's not showing up right |
| 15:23:59 | hunger | shoe: Do you have /sbin/dhcpcd? |
| 15:24:29 | shoe | nope |
| 15:24:46 | hunger | shoe: Cool... according to ipkg it's installed:-( |
| 15:24:57 | shoe | hrm |
| 15:26:40 | shoe | well since my wlan doesn't work |
| 15:26:47 | shoe | I can't install anything |
| 15:27:00 | shoe | I could try to place the files over there via sync |
| 15:27:02 | shoe | but that kinda sucks :) |
| 15:27:29 | hunger | shoe: I'd guess you will need dhcpcd for wlan to work. |
| 15:27:38 | shoe | well I guess so |
| 15:27:39 | shoe | heh |
| 15:28:13 | shoe | will my old sync software work with oz? |
| 15:29:42 | hunger | shoe: Never synced, so again a question I can't really answer. |
| 15:29:49 | hunger | shoe: but it should work;-) |
| 15:29:53 | shoe | you think? |
| 15:29:58 | shoe | fires er up |
| 15:31:00 | shoe | hmm |
| 15:31:05 | shoe | no usb properties in network |
| 15:31:59 | hunger | shoe: Forget the networking UI apps. |
| 15:32:15 | hunger | shoe: just edit /etc/networking/interfaces yourself. |
| 15:32:22 | shoe | good call |
| 15:35:06 | hunger | shoe: You need to reinstall dhcpcd and you will need to link /sbin/ifup to /sbin/ifdown. |
| 15:36:13 | hunger | shoe: Afterwards my ethernet card works:-) No idea how that effects wlan. |
| 15:38:20 | shoe | sounds good |
| 15:38:25 | shoe | did you submit a bug report? |
| 15:38:33 | hunger | shoe: Yeap. |
| 15:38:36 | shoe | good deal |
| 15:40:21 | hunger | shoe: Which zImage do you sue? |
| 15:40:26 | hunger | s/sue/use/ |
| 15:40:35 | shoe | 26-6 |
| 15:41:01 | hunger | shoe: Now that I made kergoth build a 40-24 I have to use that. |
| 15:41:21 | shoe | 40-24 jeez |
| 15:41:23 | hunger | shoe it's the ideal split IMHO. You can have the complete OPIE in RAM:-) |
| 15:42:03 | shoe | that's nice |
| 15:42:29 | shoe | I need to learn to build my own image |
| 15:43:10 | hunger | shoe: Checkout OZ from CVS, get a crosscompiler from the SHARP site, type 'make openzaurus' |
| 15:43:21 | hunger | shoe: Get lots of coffee, done. |
| 15:43:26 | shoe | haha |
| 15:43:27 | shoe | well |
| 15:43:30 | shoe | configure my own image |
| 15:43:40 | shoe | I have no idea what's involved |
| 15:44:00 | hunger | shoe: image as in zImage or initrd? |
| 15:44:27 | shoe | initrd too |
| 15:45:08 | hunger | shoe: No need to worry about the initrd. |
| 15:45:13 | shoe | oh yeah? |
| 15:45:40 | shoe | well, how do you configure what apps get installed in RAM... how do you decide where to put things on the tabs... that kind of stuff |
| 15:45:41 | hunger | shoe: The flash is mounted writeable in OZ, so you can just move files arround, install new software into ROM, etc. |
| 15:45:50 | shoe | really? |
| 15:46:06 | hunger | shoe: Really! |
| 15:46:25 | shoe | is there a document or something explaining how you can do that? |
| 15:46:43 | hunger | shoe: The software GUI tool should be able to install software to RAM, ROM, CF or SD. |
| 15:46:57 | shoe | oh, I see |
| 15:47:00 | shoe | very cool |
| 15:47:19 | shoe | what a great feature |
| 15:47:32 | hunger | shoe: It's way nicer then the tool that came on my SHARP ROM by the way. Allthough it sometimes claims success where it actually fgailed. |
| 15:47:46 | hunger | shoe: So I use the console tool most of the time. |
| 15:47:59 | shoe | right |
| 15:49:31 | shoe | I can't wait to get my case... |
| 15:49:36 | shoe | ordered one of those Japanese ones |
| 15:49:43 | shoe | couldn't wait for Sharp to release one |
| 15:49:45 | shoe | too risky |
| 15:58:18 | dougal | anyone know about mixed c & c++ apps? |
| 15:59:21 | dougal | or anything about "virtual tables" ? |
| 16:01:02 | whardier | hi] |
| 16:01:30 | whardier | any way you shake it |
| 16:01:33 | whardier | I am in alaska :( |
| 16:03:39 | whardier | now I am going to the island |
| 16:09:19 | f0rtyhex | Hi is anyone doing Java development on the Zaurus? |
| 16:44:22 | warmi | hi |
| 16:44:54 | ljp_work | heh- TCP connection to 'www.trolltech.com' failed: Bad file descriptor. |
| 16:59:30 | shoe | wish my wlan worked |
| 16:59:34 | shoe | kicks kergoth |
| 17:00:10 | jay__ | ./qtopiadesktop: error while loading shared libraries: libGLcore.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 17:00:16 | jay__ | its in the folder |
| 17:00:27 | jay__ | aaaarrrrggggg will the problems never end |
| 17:04:58 | professor_x | anyone awake |
| 17:05:07 | mark | professor_x: i'm not |
| 17:05:26 | professor_x | damn error after error |
| 17:10:41 | shoe | professor_x: what are you running? |
| 17:12:20 | professor_x | qtopia on Suse 8 |
| 17:39:54 | professor_x | anyone else having the problem of qtopia coming up with no icons or anything |
| 17:46:12 | mark | you mean qtopia desktop |
| 17:46:13 | mark | ;) |
| 17:46:20 | professor_x | yes |
| 17:46:22 | professor_x | :) |
| 17:50:08 | professor_x | damn |
| 18:19:26 | josejavier | is back (gone 04:04:41) |
| 18:28:49 | NeoTron | is away: I'm busy |
| 18:29:05 | NeoTron | is back (gone 00:00:03) |
| 18:40:17 | f0rtyHex | hi |
| 18:43:33 | Captain_Midnight | is back after 0 d 4 h 12 m 31 s |
| 18:43:43 | Captain_Midnight | is AWAY at 14:48:21 : Gone to clean |
| 18:55:43 | Midway | hi all |
| 18:56:07 | Midway | smbclient on the zaurus? |
| 19:01:33 | hunger | Midway: I saw Samba on the Z... |
| 19:10:24 | Midway | yes but this is only the server |
| 19:10:59 | Midway | i'm searching for the client |
| 19:13:55 | ljp_studio | I've listened to samba on my z :) |
| 19:14:32 | NetAmp | how's life on the Z-side? ;) |
| 19:14:51 | ljp_studio | z-eriffic |
| 19:14:56 | mark | hi NetAmp |
| 19:15:00 | NetAmp | heya mark |
| 19:15:08 | NetAmp | ljp_studio: heh ;) |
| 19:15:36 | mark | anyone know what is in methylated spirits apart from ethanol? |
| 19:16:50 | NetAmp | I got a Swatch .beat Internet Time watch today |
| 19:16:55 | NetAmp | it's huge, hah |
| 19:16:58 | NetAmp | Gives a totally different view on the temporal world we're in, wheee |
| 19:17:12 | NetAmp | I see there's already a Unix version of the Internet Time software |
| 19:17:18 | NetAmp | maybe it's be cool on the Z too ;-) |
| 19:17:49 | ljp_studio | I need to add swatch time to the clock |
| 19:18:17 | NetAmp | ljp_studio: yeah that's be sweet ;) |
| 19:18:20 | NetAmp | :) |
| 19:19:27 | ljp_studio | heh I told my brother that I would.. hehhe |
| 19:19:41 | ljp_studio | might have to be in addition to the clock face, tho |
| 19:25:08 | Midway | :-( help |
| 19:25:53 | LeSeb | make |
| 19:28:09 | LeSeb | wrong window :-) |
| 19:33:41 | ljp_studio | bashL make: command not found |
| 19:38:00 | ljp_studio | err bash: |
| 19:39:14 | ljp_studio | must be a buggy version of bash |
| 20:01:53 | shoe | has anyone gotten wlan to work on ozbeta8.5? |
| 20:02:28 | shoe | I don't want to have to go buy a card reader for my windows box to get a working version to my z |
| 20:05:49 | ljp_studio | not sure, I know they added it tho. JasonNJ was testing wlan |
| 20:15:17 | josejavier | is away: going to sleep, tomorrow have a session on a speed circuit, all the day |
| 22:46:03 | ljp_studio | must be a springtime weekend, cause no ones here |
| 22:49:55 | ljp_studio | whardier: ping |
| 22:52:50 | shoe | kicks kergoth |
| 22:54:01 | ljp_studio | heheh why's that shoe? |
| 22:54:13 | shoe | been fighting with this wlan stuff all day :P |
| 22:54:19 | shoe | actually |
| 22:54:23 | shoe | doesn't kick kergoth |
| 22:54:25 | shoe | pets kergoth |
| 22:55:02 | ljp_studio | hmm uh oh |
| 22:56:22 | ljp_studio | wish I could help, but I have no wlan. |
| 22:56:28 | shoe | yeah |
| 22:56:35 | shoe | seems to be somewhat of a rareity |
| 22:56:45 | shoe | I'll hit up kergoth when he comes in |
| 22:58:25 | ljp_studio | or JasonNJ, I know he was helping kergoth with wlan stuff |
| 23:09:29 | Hellaenergy | anyone here roll their own kernel's? |
| 23:10:01 | Hellaenergy | I am getting an error when trying to boot my new kernel |
| 23:10:16 | tux_mike | only for i386 |
| 23:10:37 | Hellaenergy | It is saying I have a filesystem type ext2fs but partition type 0x83 (ext3fs) |
| 23:10:50 | Hellaenergy | I enabled extfs support too |
| 23:10:56 | Hellaenergy | I enabled extfs3 support too |
| 23:11:12 | shoe | is it a good idea to keep magnetic strip credit cards in pda cases? |
| 23:11:21 | shoe | does that cause a problem ever? could it? |
| 23:11:29 | tux_mike | hell: i'd suggest modularizing ext3 |
| 23:11:37 | Hellaenergy | why? |
| 23:12:07 | tux_mike | is this x86 or the Z? |
| 23:12:12 | Hellaenergy | I am also getting a Invalid or unsupported executable format error 13 |
| 23:12:14 | Hellaenergy | x86 |
| 23:12:22 | Hellaenergy | :) |
| 23:12:23 | tux_mike | ok. |
| 23:12:33 | tux_mike | distro? |
| 23:12:40 | Hellaenergy | RH |
| 23:12:47 | Hellaenergy | 2.4.18 |
| 23:13:04 | tux_mike | i modularize my fs (reiser) and make an initrd. |
| 23:13:16 | tux_mike | did you also have elf selected? |
| 23:13:25 | Hellaenergy | no |
| 23:13:38 | Hellaenergy | well maybe :\ |
| 23:13:42 | tux_mike | that's why you can't execute! :) |
| 23:13:51 | Hellaenergy | ah |
| 23:13:55 | Hellaenergy | your the man |
| 23:14:17 | Hellaenergy | thanks |
| 23:14:24 | tux_mike | ELF is the basis of all linux. if you use a.out you are a fool. modularize a.out and misc for backwards compatability, but compile in ELF |
| 23:15:14 | ljp_studio | goin for the old aout, eh? |
| 23:15:21 | Hellaenergy | ELF was supported |
| 23:15:21 | tux_mike | *shudder* |
| 23:15:38 | Hellaenergy | hmmm? |
| 23:15:43 | tux_mike | hell: did you make an initrd? |
| 23:15:56 | Hellaenergy | nope didn't think I needed one |
| 23:16:12 | tux_mike | redhat expects one |
| 23:16:16 | Hellaenergy | ah |
| 23:16:32 | Hellaenergy | well I was using the 2.4.7-10 one though |
| 23:16:38 | tux_mike | that's bad |
| 23:16:45 | Hellaenergy | :\ |
| 23:17:21 | tux_mike | i belive it's mkinitrd file version |
| 23:17:36 | Hellaenergy | thanks :) |
| 23:17:37 | tux_mike | anyone know what CHILL is ? |
| 23:18:06 | Hellaenergy | You think I should mod Ext3 journaling file system support? |
| 23:18:15 | tux_mike | yah |
| 23:18:19 | Hellaenergy | k |
| 23:18:38 | tux_mike | what i usually do, is i take the RH config from an existing kernel, import it, then customize it |
| 23:18:46 | tux_mike | like taking out hw i don't need |
| 23:19:53 | Hellaenergy | does the z have ext3 yet? |
| 23:20:09 | Hellaenergy | or is that too much? |
| 23:20:25 | tux_mike | i'd put it on larger CF/SD cards |
| 23:21:47 | Hellaenergy | Have you seen Linux Journal this month? |
| 23:21:53 | tux_mike | nope |
| 23:22:02 | Hellaenergy | they have a PDT in it called the Kaii |
| 23:22:13 | tux_mike | PDT? |
| 23:22:21 | Hellaenergy | The desktop looks exactly like the Z |
| 23:22:40 | Hellaenergy | Personal Desktop Tool |
| 23:22:43 | tux_mike | ah |
| 23:22:47 | tux_mike | based on QT? |
| 23:22:48 | Hellaenergy | Personal Mobile Tool |
| 23:22:59 | Hellaenergy | Looks like it |
| 23:23:08 | Hellaenergy | I mean it is exactly the same interface |
| 23:23:15 | tux_mike | ARM cpu? |
| 23:23:28 | Hellaenergy | Kaii Linux PDA |
| 23:23:31 | Hellaenergy | dono |
| 23:23:39 | Hellaenergy | haven't had a chance to read it yet |
| 23:24:01 | Hellaenergy | http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT8619741565.html |
| 23:24:25 | Hellaenergy | There you go |
| 23:24:49 | Hellaenergy | The Kaii will come with Trolltech's Qtopia PDA suite |
| 23:25:30 | Hellaenergy | approximately US $200 with a monochrome LCD, and $300 with a color LCD. |
| 23:26:03 | tux_mike | but an SH3 CPU |
| 23:26:05 | tux_mike | icky |
| 23:26:13 | Hellaenergy | what is the SH3? |
| 23:26:18 | Hellaenergy | who makes it |
| 23:27:26 | Hellaenergy | It's good to see more Linux PDA's hittin the market |
| 23:27:47 | Hellaenergy | The Z still prevails :) |
| 23:27:48 | ][N-Flux | hitachi |
| 23:27:57 | ][N-Flux | dreamcast chip |
| 23:28:03 | Hellaenergy | SH3 = hitachi? |
| 23:28:21 | ][N-Flux | super hitachi |
| 23:28:44 | Hellaenergy | SHellaenergy7 |
| 23:28:44 | ][N-Flux | I belive |
| 23:29:01 | Hellaenergy | Now thats a CPU |
| 23:33:35 | tux_mike | SH3 is hitachi |
| 23:33:46 | tux_mike | flux: i thought DC was SH4 |
| 23:41:04 | Hellaenergy | I'll be back hopefully running 2.4.18 :) |
| 23:44:34 | ljp_studio | ya.. thats what they all say... |
| 23:44:50 | tux_mike | yup |
| 23:45:15 | tux_mike | i've built so many kernels ini my life, i no longer worry about it booting :) |
| 23:46:56 | ljp_studio | ya me too. I have about 10 laying there in /boot anyway |
| 23:47:06 | tux_mike | i try to delete old ones |
| 23:49:22 | Hellaenergy | damb didn't work |
| 23:49:33 | Hellaenergy | same errors |
| 23:49:41 | Hellaenergy | ^%^^&*&^%*&%&*^$#%^$# |
| 23:49:44 | ljp_studio | heh not me, I delte the really old ones.. like from 2.2.x |
| 23:49:51 | tux_mike | did you make clean? |
| 23:49:53 | ljp_studio | delete |
| 23:50:07 | Hellaenergy | tux_mike: are you talking to me? |
| 23:50:13 | tux_mike | yah |
| 23:50:18 | Hellaenergy | when? |
| 23:50:28 | tux_mike | before you built the latest kernel? |
| 23:50:34 | Hellaenergy | yup |
| 23:50:40 | Hellaenergy | after make dep |
| 23:50:52 | Hellaenergy | then I did a make zImage |
| 23:51:01 | Hellaenergy | which was rather large |
| 23:51:04 | Hellaenergy | it complained |
| 23:52:12 | tux_mike | hrm.... do you have your stock kernel sources? |
| 23:52:28 | Hellaenergy | ya on disk |
| 23:52:37 | Hellaenergy | I did a workstation install :p |
| 23:52:45 | Hellaenergy | why? |
| 23:52:59 | Hellaenergy | do you think I should get the config from it or something? |
| 23:53:33 | tux_mike | yah |
| 23:53:39 | tux_mike | that's what i always do |
| 23:54:12 | Hellaenergy | RH has some of their own stuff I heard though |
| 23:55:29 | tux_mike | yah, they have many patches, but the options for those will be ignored |
| 23:56:52 | tux_mike | i'd reccomend turning off all the crap you don't need. hw you don't have, ECN, etc |
| 23:57:38 | Hellaenergy | tux_mike: thanks, have a good night :) |
| 23:57:47 | tux_mike | no prob |
| 23:58:02 | tux_mike | i think i should go to my friend's house and get some booze |