| 00:07:45 | tux_mike | ljp studio? |
| 00:07:54 | ljp_studio | hehehe new alt nick |
| 00:08:15 | ljp_studio | OZ3b4 is nicey nicey |
| 00:08:43 | ljp_studio | just take out the cf card when you boot up |
| 00:08:49 | tux_mike | why? |
| 00:09:09 | ljp_studio | the new medium mount gui hangs |
| 00:09:09 | catalin | is embeddedkonsole working now ? |
| 00:09:12 | ljp_studio | yes |
| 00:09:23 | catalin | cool. time to try it out :) |
| 00:09:27 | tux_mike | ljp_studio: you have any idea on CF Wifi? |
| 00:09:32 | ljp_studio | it was an easy fix, too.. edit /etc/init.d./qpe |
| 00:09:46 | ljp_studio | tux_mike: no, sorry |
| 00:09:59 | tux_mike | then no oz3 for me |
| 00:10:09 | ljp_studio | catalin: take out the line SHELL=/bin/bash |
| 00:10:38 | catalin | ljp: where from ? /etc/init.d/qpe ? |
| 00:10:44 | ljp_studio | yes |
| 00:10:56 | catalin | otherwise konsole won't work ? |
| 00:11:19 | ljp_studio | no OZ3b4 has already done that |
| 00:11:27 | ljp_studio | thats the fix |
| 00:11:45 | catalin | ah |
| 00:12:37 | ljp_studio | except the .bash* are reset to default.. |
| 00:12:50 | ljp_studio | I mean it doesn;t read them |
| 00:14:21 | tux_mike | ljp_studio: i'm getting the same problem with opies qt config. *sigh* |
| 00:14:29 | ljp_studio | hmmm |
| 00:14:41 | ljp_studio | trying to compile qte? |
| 00:14:46 | tux_mike | yup |
| 00:14:53 | tux_mike | just with enabling freetype |
| 00:14:55 | ljp_studio | -qconfig qpe ?? |
| 00:15:12 | tux_mike | yup |
| 00:15:35 | ljp_studio | whats the errors? |
| 00:15:59 | tux_mike | it starts up with the white zaurus screen, puts a mouse cursor, dies, restarts |
| 00:16:52 | tux_mike | i don't suppose you'd like to try on opie? |
| 00:16:56 | tux_mike | OZ3 |
| 00:18:19 | ljp_studio | thats when run on zaurus, or x86? |
| 00:18:26 | tux_mike | zaurus |
| 00:18:38 | ljp_studio | hmm mouse cursor... |
| 00:18:47 | tux_mike | odd |
| 00:19:40 | tux_mike | thank god i have sd rom or i'd loose everything, cause i have to do a hard reset |
| 00:19:56 | ljp_studio | try deleting that config.h file and coping config-qpe.h to config.h |
| 00:21:09 | tux_mike | how do i not build tutorials and examples? |
| 00:21:47 | ljp_studio | I wish I knew. I usually wait till then and then kill the build |
| 00:22:59 | tux_mike | can you try building it? just comment out the #define QT_QWS_NO_FREETYPE2 ? |
| 00:23:57 | tux_mike | i'm positive it's taking the config off of config-qpe.h, i see the macros in the build commands |
| 00:26:02 | ljp_studio | ok |
| 00:26:38 | ljp_studio | what ./configure line were you using? |
| 00:27:13 | tux_mike | -no-xft -no-vnc -no-qvfb -system-jpeg -xplatform linux-arm-g++ -qconfig qpe -depths 16,32 |
| 00:29:56 | ljp_studio | brrrrrr its getting cold here |
| 00:33:12 | tux_mike | ljp_studio: do you have a sd card? |
| 00:33:20 | ljp_studio | no :( |
| 00:34:01 | tux_mike | debates loading oz3b4 |
| 00:35:09 | ljp_studio | :D |
| 00:35:18 | tux_mike | i just need wifi |
| 00:35:23 | tux_mike | are the drivers there? |
| 00:35:29 | ljp_studio | hmmm.. and there's no java |
| 00:35:42 | ljp_studio | I'm not sure whats in there |
| 00:35:46 | tux_mike | i don't care about java. i need a web browser and wifi :) |
| 00:35:56 | ljp_studio | the kernel is from source on Sharps site |
| 00:36:09 | tux_mike | what styles are there in the appearance tab? |
| 00:36:19 | ljp_studio | kergoth will be back in a bit most likely |
| 00:36:50 | ljp_studio | default, but you can select your own color schemes |
| 00:37:13 | ljp_studio | there's not much styling going on in qpe |
| 00:37:25 | tux_mike | same 3?... i thought BB gave kergoth the xp-like style for OZ |
| 00:37:41 | ljp_studio | hmmm.. me too.. |
| 00:38:04 | ljp_studio | nope- windows-light-qpe |
| 00:38:13 | tux_mike | *sigh* |
| 00:38:19 | tux_mike | time to complain to kerg :) |
| 00:38:36 | ljp_studio | hehehe use bug tracker on sourceforge |
| 00:41:28 | ljp_studio | hmmm errors with jpeglib.h |
| 00:42:05 | tux_mike | i didn't have any problems |
| 00:43:01 | tux_mike | ljp_studio: you have any idea on a workaround for the install to non-flash media? |
| 00:43:37 | ljp_studio | no. kergoth's going to be working on that next.. but he really needs to get an sd card for that |
| 00:43:43 | kergoth | re |
| 00:43:53 | tux_mike | kergoth: where's the xp like style? |
| 00:44:13 | kergoth | tKc's? havent had a chance to merge that in |
| 00:44:20 | tux_mike | k |
| 00:44:25 | tux_mike | just asking |
| 00:44:26 | kergoth | that'll probably be something i put off till the final release |
| 00:44:28 | kergoth | np |
| 00:44:32 | kergoth | thanks for the reminder |
| 00:44:41 | tux_mike | me wantee! :) |
| 00:45:23 | tux_mike | kergoth: now, onto more important stuff... what can i do to offload installs to sd? |
| 00:45:38 | ljp_studio | why isn't jpeglib.h and libjpeg not in Embedix cross sdk? wtf? |
| 00:45:39 | tux_mike | do you have nany ideas on a hack to get around for the time being? |
| 00:45:57 | kergoth | tux_mike: well, i can tell you how to install to sd |
| 00:46:01 | tux_mike | ok |
| 00:46:05 | kergoth | tux_mike: but, those files wont be linked into their equivalent paths in / |
| 00:46:14 | tux_mike | ? |
| 00:46:16 | kergoth | tux_mike: that you could do manually if you want |
| 00:46:22 | kergoth | ipkg -d [dest] install package |
| 00:46:32 | kergoth | /etc/ipkg.conf contains the valid 'dest's |
| 00:46:37 | kergoth | e.g. ipkg -d mtdram install blah |
| 00:47:01 | tux_mike | so, i would go and make links in the /opt/QtPalmtop? |
| 00:47:04 | kergoth | yup |
| 00:47:13 | tux_mike | ugh. too many links |
| 00:47:19 | kergoth | ln -s /usr/local/opt/QtPalmtop/bin/* /opt/QtPalmtop/bin/ |
| 00:47:21 | kergoth | that type of thing |
| 00:47:35 | kergoth | i'm writing a cmdline app for that as we speak |
| 00:47:36 | tux_mike | where does sd mount? /mnt/sd? |
| 00:47:42 | kergoth | /mnt/card |
| 00:47:45 | kergoth | sd doesnt automount yet |
| 00:47:48 | kergoth | mount /mnt/card |
| 00:47:49 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:47:50 | tux_mike | -_- |
| 00:47:55 | tux_mike | fsckit |
| 00:48:02 | tux_mike | too many problems on stuff i need |
| 00:48:04 | kergoth | I'll add an ipk for the sharp sd daemon |
| 00:48:06 | kergoth | lol |
| 00:48:14 | kergoth | its 'highly unstable' remember |
| 00:48:15 | kergoth | :-P |
| 00:48:35 | ljp_studio | its 'less highly unstable' ;) |
| 00:48:41 | kergoth | yeah |
| 00:48:44 | kergoth | that :-) |
| 00:48:54 | tux_mike | i need wifi, i need install to sd |
| 00:48:57 | ljp_studio | check bug tracker.. |
| 00:49:00 | kergoth | ljp_studio: hows beta4 working for you? other than the mediummountgui .. |
| 00:49:01 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:49:06 | kergoth | i did |
| 00:49:36 | Jenkens | w0ot. |
| 00:49:43 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:49:44 | Jenkens | hello folks. |
| 00:49:49 | kergoth | greetings |
| 00:50:02 | Jenkens | trying to su once telnetted into my zaurus.. not working too keenly. |
| 00:50:14 | kergoth | uncommented the in.telnetd line in /etc/inetd.conf yet? |
| 00:50:19 | kergoth | bbiaf. pizza arrived. |
| 00:50:22 | Jenkens | I can telnet in, yes. |
| 00:50:26 | Jenkens | I just cant "SU" in |
| 00:50:28 | Jenkens | er, su once i'm in |
| 00:50:54 | ljp_studio | kergoth: nice... |
| 00:50:56 | treke_ | is su even on the zaurus? |
| 00:50:59 | Jenkens | yes. |
| 00:51:06 | Jenkens | $ su |
| 00:51:06 | Jenkens | Password: |
| 00:51:16 | Jenkens | it just says "inittabs: operation not permitted" once I try and su |
| 00:51:44 | ljp_studio | kergoth: mmgui seems to popup after every suspend, also :( |
| 00:52:16 | Jenkens | brb. |
| 00:53:16 | ljp_studio | kergoth: time is reset after suspend also. |
| 00:53:46 | kergoth | ljp_studio: mmgui should be saving that onto the cf card.. is the cf read only? |
| 00:53:50 | kergoth | eats pizza |
| 00:54:17 | ljp_studio | is ordering papajohns online |
| 00:54:29 | treke_ | plans on doing that soon |
| 00:54:30 | sitruC | eats pizza too |
| 00:54:44 | ljp_studio | hey!! irc pizza party! |
| 00:54:52 | sitruC | just took mine out of the oven, cooling a little |
| 00:55:07 | tux_mike | man, how come i get left out. i had pork |
| 00:55:10 | kergoth | hehe |
| 00:55:12 | kergoth | poor mike |
| 00:55:16 | kergoth | order a pizza anyway |
| 00:55:28 | tux_mike | no muney |
| 00:55:31 | kergoth | ah |
| 00:55:55 | ljp_studio | papa john needs faster servers |
| 00:56:09 | roge99 | i had left-over pizza |
| 00:56:46 | kergoth | reads regex.h and has fun writing a c app to parse text |
| 00:56:48 | kergoth | shudders |
| 00:57:33 | ljp_studio | papa john also needs better img alt text |
| 00:58:01 | Neo|Work | ljp_studio: COOL. :P I can order from there too. :P |
| 00:58:33 | ljp_studio | sure.. if you have a papjohns near you |
| 00:58:56 | Neo|Work | well, I just checked and I do |
| 00:59:05 | Neo|Work | PizzaHut has very limited availability for online orders |
| 00:59:17 | Neo|Work | namely doesn't work for me despite having like 3-4 pizzahut nearby |
| 00:59:29 | ljp_studio | ya.. me also |
| 01:00:29 | ljp_studio | ohh I love it when it time outs after hitting the 'submit' button |
| 01:00:43 | kergoth | ack |
| 01:00:44 | kergoth | i hate that |
| 01:01:14 | ljp_studio | "what? I ordered 14 pizza's?" |
| 01:01:16 | Neo|Work | when you don't know if the order was actually placed or not you mean? |
| 01:01:23 | kergoth | yeah |
| 01:01:25 | ljp_studio | ya |
| 01:01:34 | tux_mike | attempts to clear out his sd card |
| 01:01:45 | kergoth | needs a sd card |
| 01:01:47 | treke_ | just learned he's moving out of papa johns coverage area :( |
| 01:04:49 | Neo|Work | wants his lost SD card back. |
| 01:04:57 | ljp_studio | damn what are these sevrs.. MS? |
| 01:05:11 | Neo|Work | treke: felt the same when we moved away from the Pagliacci range |
| 01:05:21 | Neo|Work | best pizza I've had in the US probably |
| 01:05:42 | treke_ | by any chance is pagliacci in oxnard ca :) |
| 01:05:53 | Jenkens | haha |
| 01:06:03 | Jenkens | ok.. so how am i gonna su in.. |
| 01:06:25 | tux_mike | darnit. busybox has no rm -v |
| 01:07:54 | BZFlag | -v? |
| 01:08:02 | BZFlag | checks the man page. |
| 01:08:06 | tux_mike | verbose |
| 01:08:57 | BZFlag | find . -exec echo \{\}\; -exec rm \{\}\; |
| 01:09:03 | BZFlag | ;-) |
| 01:09:27 | BZFlag | for a in * ; do echo $a ; rm $a ; |
| 01:09:27 | tux_mike | nyah. its done. |
| 01:09:43 | Jenkens | bah |
| 01:09:43 | Jenkens | ok |
| 01:09:44 | Jenkens | so |
| 01:09:47 | BZFlag | heh |
| 01:09:56 | tux_mike | needed it recursive, so the first would work |
| 01:11:16 | tux_mike | oh, crap... i better have my ipks for tkc editor and mahjongg |
| 01:13:59 | treke_ | you can download them again |
| 01:16:52 | tux_mike | i have them. i should check for new versions |
| 01:17:11 | Neo|Work | and with that I leave |
| 01:17:50 | Neo|Work | is away: home |
| 01:18:45 | ljp_studio | well, papajohns is crapping out... |
| 01:19:14 | tux_mike | hrm... where do i go to download them... |
| 01:19:15 | dnarowmin | hey.. my friend just got a new linksys wirless cf card.. and driver fails to load.. is that in the faq somewhere ? |
| 01:19:24 | | faq is, like, at http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/zaurus-faq/ or at http://www.handhelds.org/handhelds-faq/handhelds-faq.html |
| 01:19:24 | dnarowmin | ibot faq |
| 01:21:56 | Jenkens | too bad that su faq doesn't work :( |
| 01:22:12 | dnarowmin | bah.. Im not finding it in this faq |
| 01:22:43 | Com[Plex] | anyone here figure out how to make an ipkg that will install to SD? |
| 01:23:27 | kergoth | re |
| 01:23:28 | kergoth | sup BZFlag |
| 01:24:39 | Jenkens | augh, cant su.. agh! |
| 01:25:13 | narrowmind | So any one see a prism card fail to init becouse a Vcc mismatch ? is there a driver patch for this ? |
| 01:25:35 | tux_mike | narrowmind: is this a new linksys card? |
| 01:25:40 | narrowmind | yes |
| 01:25:48 | tux_mike | get the update on sharp's web site |
| 01:25:56 | narrowmind | really I have two.. one works fine..the other ugh. |
| 01:26:29 | tux_mike | there is a change in the card, and linksys didn't put out a new part number. but then again, they never do. |
| 01:26:35 | kergoth | ack, the ipkg output parsing code in qipkg is an ugly hack |
| 01:26:36 | narrowmind | heh |
| 01:27:28 | narrowmind | tux_mike : any idea where its on the site.. I dont see it in support or downloads |
| 01:27:42 | kergoth | narrowmind: do a search.. and check the wiki |
| 01:27:44 | Jenkens | sighs |
| 01:28:08 | tux_mike | i don't know. i never needed it |
| 01:28:14 | narrowmind | heh |
| 01:28:59 | Jenkens | bah, cant su in.. faq doesn't help.. how annoying :( |
| 01:30:22 | tux_mike | Jenkens: what are you trying to do? |
| 01:30:41 | narrowmind | bah wiki has nothing on linksys.. other then "*it works*" |
| 01:30:41 | Jenkens | well, i can telnet into my zaurus |
| 01:30:43 | Jenkens | bu tI wanna su in |
| 01:30:51 | Jenkens | the faq addresses the problem |
| 01:30:55 | Jenkens | but it doesn't work. |
| 01:30:59 | kergoth | 'su in'? just run su after telnetting in |
| 01:31:02 | Jenkens | yes. |
| 01:31:05 | Jenkens | that's what I'm doing |
| 01:31:06 | kergoth | course you'll need a user to log in as |
| 01:31:06 | Jenkens | and it doesn't work |
| 01:31:09 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:31:11 | Jenkens | been there done that. |
| 01:31:15 | kergoth | define 'doesn't work' |
| 01:31:18 | Jenkens | Password: |
| 01:31:18 | Jenkens | initgroups: Operation not permitted |
| 01:31:20 | Jenkens | that's what I get. |
| 01:31:30 | kergoth | hmm. what rom version? |
| 01:31:36 | Jenkens | 2.12 |
| 01:31:57 | kergoth | ah.. hmm. |
| 01:32:33 | Jenkens | that's what I said :( |
| 01:35:16 | Jenkens | I can telnet, but I can't log-in as root! |
| 01:35:16 | Jenkens | Add "ttya1" through "ttya7" to /etc/securetty |
| 01:35:20 | Jenkens | did that, even added ttya0 |
| 01:36:18 | Jenkens | that was even updated yesterday. |
| 01:38:39 | | feed is a package repository or http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds or http://www.zauruszone.com/feed/ or http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/ for OpenZaurus |
| 01:38:39 | tux_mike | ibot feed |
| 01:39:17 | Jenkens | hum what's all that |
| 01:39:31 | tux_mike | feed |
| 01:39:47 | Jenkens | ? |
| 01:40:00 | tux_mike | repository of files |
| 01:41:08 | Jenkens | humm |
| 01:41:17 | Jenkens | okay then |
| 01:44:12 | Jenkens | so that busybox will upgrade the buxybox on the zaurus? |
| 01:44:38 | kergoth | dont install packages from the openzaurus feed. the others are fine |
| 01:44:51 | Jenkens | oh.. |
| 01:44:59 | kergoth | openzaurus feed = for OpenZaurus rom's |
| 01:45:14 | | openzaurus is a Community version of the root filesystem / romimage for the Sharp Zaurus SL-5000d PDA. The Sourceforge site is at: http://sourceforge.net/projects/openzaurus |
| 01:45:14 | kergoth | ibot: openzaurus? |
| 01:45:27 | | kergoth: I forgot openzaurus |
| 01:45:27 | kergoth | ibot: forget openzaurus |
| 01:46:07 | | OK, kergoth. |
| 01:46:07 | kergoth | ibot: OpenZaurus is a Community version of the operating environment for the Sharp Zaurus SL-5x00[d] PDA. See http://openzaurus.sf.net/. |
| 01:46:12 | | i heard openzaurus was a Community version of the operating environment for the Sharp Zaurus SL-5x00[d] PDA. See http://openzaurus.sf.net/. |
| 01:46:12 | kergoth | ibot: openzaurus? |
| 01:46:14 | kergoth | k |
| 01:47:39 | Jenkens | humm |
| 01:48:05 | ljp_studio | does OZ have beaming yet? |
| 01:48:58 | kergoth | ljp_studio: we need libzeckeobex :-) |
| 01:49:15 | ljp_studio | ya.. just checkin |
| 01:51:05 | tux_mike | damnit. zz won't open the qtopiagnuboy thread |
| 01:54:27 | ljp_studio | heh -> oz30 |
| 01:54:44 | kergoth | ? |
| 01:54:56 | kergoth | systeminfo/linkver? |
| 01:54:58 | kergoth | heheh |
| 01:55:05 | ljp_studio | yep |
| 01:55:33 | treke_ | hmmm I ought to set that up while I've got the time |
| 01:55:50 | treke_ | do I need any specific drivers? |
| 01:55:56 | kergoth | ..? |
| 01:56:18 | treke_ | Windows drivers to use intellisync |
| 01:56:39 | kergoth | ah.. |
| 01:57:02 | ljp_studio | go ahead give a temperature.. |
| 01:57:34 | ljp_studio | I can convert it |
| 01:57:40 | ljp_studio | :) |
| 01:57:44 | tux_mike | -400C |
| 01:58:05 | ljp_studio | -688 F |
| 01:58:07 | tux_mike | you load zuc? |
| 01:58:16 | tux_mike | but you can't have -400C |
| 01:58:31 | tux_mike | isn't absolute zero -272 or something? |
| 01:58:34 | ljp_studio | sure ya can.. anythings possible |
| 01:58:41 | tux_mike | convert 0K |
| 01:58:50 | ljp_studio | ahhhh nothings absolute |
| 01:59:06 | tux_mike | absolute zero is when atomic motion stops |
| 01:59:27 | ljp_studio | yayayaya I know.. still.... no boundries! |
| 01:59:35 | kergoth | hehe |
| 01:59:47 | ljp_studio | ya and the speed of light is as fast as you can go |
| 02:00:00 | ljp_studio | they said that for the speed of sound also |
| 02:00:13 | kergoth | wtf |
| 02:00:13 | Guest | what are youguys using for chat client on your zaurus |
| 02:00:16 | kergoth | Status: install ok not-installed |
| 02:00:23 | kergoth | whats install ok not-installed mean? |
| 02:00:28 | kergoth | it can be installed, but its not? |
| 02:00:38 | kergoth | is parsing ipkg's db |
| 02:00:40 | ljp_studio | Guest: there's tkcJabber and zic |
| 02:01:14 | Guest | yeah, i just got tkcJabber... is zic any good? |
| 02:01:21 | ljp_studio | kergoth: qpikg needs more details.. |
| 02:01:27 | kergoth | does Qt have a layer for accessing regex.h? |
| 02:01:29 | ljp_studio | I dunno |
| 02:01:41 | ljp_studio | yes QRegEx |
| 02:01:43 | tux_mike | ljp_studio: you can't go faster than the speed of light. you need to make it seem like you are traveling faster than light |
| 02:01:44 | kergoth | ljp_studio: yes it does.. im trying to understand the db so i can first write my cmdline apps, then rewrite qipkg |
| 02:01:45 | ljp_studio | kinda |
| 02:01:59 | ljp_studio | sure .. ya... uh huh... |
| 02:02:13 | treke_ | the QRegEx library is a bit limited though |
| 02:02:30 | ljp_studio | you can embed perl into c++ |
| 02:02:39 | kergoth | er when did trolltech start a qt newsletter? nifty |
| 02:02:44 | kergoth | ljp_studio: yeah i may have to inline perl |
| 02:03:02 | treke_ | dont you need libperl then? |
| 02:03:06 | ljp_studio | cool, I've wanted to try that, but never got around to it |
| 02:03:26 | kergoth | I dont like Qt's string tokenizing..give me regex anyday |
| 02:04:41 | kergoth | hah qregex is in the Qt quarterly |
| 02:04:42 | kergoth | nifty |
| 02:04:54 | kergoth | ah its 3.0's regexp tho |
| 02:04:55 | kergoth | mutters |
| 02:05:21 | treke_ | which are much nicer than 2s |
| 02:05:47 | kergoth | indeed |
| 02:05:56 | kergoth | maybe ill just use regex.h |
| 02:05:57 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:06:13 | kergoth | thatd be some ugly ugly code tho |
| 02:07:50 | ljp_studio | vectoroids wont run in OZ with the icon, but does from the konsole |
| 02:07:56 | kergoth | er |
| 02:07:57 | kergoth | odd |
| 02:08:32 | ljp_studio | the desktop file runs vectoroids.sh |
| 02:08:39 | kergoth | ah.. |
| 02:08:54 | kergoth | someone in here was saying that a number of packages installed and ran shell scripts with bad permissions.. |
| 02:08:55 | kergoth | check that |
| 02:09:21 | ljp_studio | which has one line: vectoroids |
| 02:09:26 | kergoth | hah |
| 02:09:30 | ljp_studio | WTF?!? |
| 02:09:33 | kergoth | lol |
| 02:10:13 | ljp_studio | puts in todo: slap kendrick |
| 02:13:00 | kergoth | when did mmgui start crashing hardcore? |
| 02:13:02 | kergoth | it worked yesterday |
| 02:13:52 | ljp_studio | well, it froze on me when qpe started for the first time. |
| 02:14:02 | kergoth | yeah, mine just did that |
| 02:14:05 | kergoth | but it worked for me yesterday |
| 02:14:40 | ljp_studio | its behaving right now.. |
| 02:15:36 | kergoth | yeah mines working.. its just that first boot |
| 02:17:02 | ljp_studio | I dont really like that thing |
| 02:17:08 | ljp_studio | its annoying |
| 02:17:48 | ljp_studio | should be a way to globally disable it, instead of per disk |
| 02:19:33 | tux_mike | ljp_studio: cat ever come back? |
| 02:20:49 | Jenkens | mumbles |
| 02:21:08 | ljp_studio | no :( |
| 02:21:36 | kendrick2 | hey, why do calendar events get beamed UTC instead of local time? |
| 02:21:38 | kendrick2 | i finally put fresh batts in my Palm 3 and decided to screw around with beaming |
| 02:21:51 | ljp_studio | I got another one.. female.. from the animal shelter. she is sick.. she sleeps alot and is 9 months old :( |
| 02:21:57 | kendrick2 | my 4:15pm event appeared as an 11:15pm event (i'm GMT-0700) |
| 02:22:09 | tux_mike | all my animals sleep alot |
| 02:22:11 | kendrick2 | cat, dog, what? |
| 02:22:16 | ljp_studio | cat |
| 02:22:36 | kergoth | ljp_studio: reminder: slap kendrick :-P |
| 02:22:41 | ljp_studio | but a 9 month old kitten should not be sleeping all the time |
| 02:22:57 | tux_mike | in fact one of my dogs, angel, my buddy, is sleeping right next to me :) |
| 02:23:06 | ljp_studio | hehehe.. vectoroids does not work on OZ3b4 unles run from konsole |
| 02:23:12 | tux_mike | ljp_studio: did you take it to the vet? |
| 02:23:23 | ljp_studio | not yet, I keep forgetting to call |
| 02:23:36 | kergoth | gah who was the person who decided to implement the actual functionality in qipkg in ONE class |
| 02:23:37 | kergoth | ? |
| 02:23:37 | kendrick2 | ljp - did you install to SD or CF? |
| 02:23:38 | kergoth | wtf |
| 02:23:43 | kendrick2 | does "vectoroids.sh" run? |
| 02:23:54 | kendrick2 | i had forgotten to set perms :^/ runs fine off Internal (ext2) |
| 02:24:10 | kergoth | kendrick2: why are you using a shell script? |
| 02:24:13 | ljp_studio | heh no.. its not even executable.. tried setting permissions,, no luck |
| 02:24:38 | ljp_studio | tried adding #!/bin/bash nope |
| 02:24:40 | kendrick2 | kerg - so that i dont need to deal with "-qcop" args |
| 02:24:45 | kergoth | NeoTron, Neo|Work: i just played eligo for th first time. good game |
| 02:24:54 | kergoth | kendrick2: you dont need to if run from the launcher in qtopia/opie |
| 02:25:07 | kendrick2 | kerg? |
| 02:25:27 | kergoth | ah, forgot its sdl.. |
| 02:25:29 | kendrick2 | it was specifically failing to run from launcher |
| 02:25:33 | kendrick2 | yeah, exactly :) |
| 02:25:36 | kergoth | heh :-) |
| 02:26:14 | tux_mike | ljp_studio: did you build qt? |
| 02:26:16 | kergoth | gah I'm tempted to throw qipkg out the window and start over |
| 02:26:17 | kergoth | mutters |
| 02:26:34 | ljp_studio | no never got past jpeglib.h thing |
| 02:26:38 | tux_mike | ah |
| 02:28:18 | kendrick2 | how can i get a job at sharpsec? :) |
| 02:28:30 | kendrick2 | (and would they pay me what i want? ;) ) |
| 02:28:33 | ljp_studio | send them a resume? |
| 02:28:55 | kendrick2 | "yeah, yeah.. hehemhmh cool! like, i have a zaurus. it's pretty cool. hehe hmhmh yeah" |
| 02:29:01 | kendrick2 | "hire me! HIRE! HIRE! HIIIIIIIRE! |
| 02:29:12 | ljp_studio | permissions on vectoroids.sh: 0644 |
| 02:29:20 | kendrick2 | LOTS of questions about the Zaurus on usenet lately |
| 02:29:26 | kendrick2 | ljp - yeah, didnt i say that? :) |
| 02:29:29 | kergoth | 644? lol |
| 02:29:29 | kendrick2 | chmod 755 ... it should run |
| 02:29:31 | kendrick2 | where did you install? |
| 02:29:39 | ljp_studio | ram |
| 02:29:47 | kendrick2 | kerg - it's cuz I did "echo > vectoroids.sh" in my mkipg.sh script, but forgot to throw a "chmod" in there |
| 02:29:49 | kergoth | you mean flash? ;-) |
| 02:29:54 | kergoth | kendrick2: ah.. :-) |
| 02:29:57 | kendrick2 | ljp - how bizarre |
| 02:29:59 | ][N-Flux | kendrick2: nice work on vecotroids |
| 02:30:06 | kendrick2 | thx :) |
| 02:30:12 | ][N-Flux | vecotroids even :) |
| 02:30:13 | kendrick2 | i'm going to release a newer, smaller madbomber |
| 02:30:15 | kergoth | hm, i should start the beta4 kernel buids |
| 02:30:18 | ][N-Flux | needs a way to quit tho |
| 02:30:20 | ljp_studio | nope no go |
| 02:31:17 | ljp_studio | hang on |
| 02:32:48 | ljp_studio | ok |
| 02:33:14 | ljp_studio | works with chmod.. heh was using buggy software |
| 02:33:24 | kendrick2 | ][N-flux - how do you mean? |
| 02:33:26 | kendrick2 | just push 'Cancel' |
| 02:33:48 | kendrick2 | and when you reload, you can continue where you are by pushing [Selector] (or [Space]) or tapping "CONTINUE" on the screen ;) |
| 02:34:13 | kendrick2 | zero discussion of Zaurus on comp.os.linux.portable |
| 02:34:14 | ][N-Flux | kendrick2: doesn't let you quit |
| 02:34:24 | kendrick2 | doesn't 'let you?' |
| 02:34:24 | ][N-Flux | wasn't letting me anyway |
| 02:34:34 | kendrick2 | are you in the game, or the title screen? and what did you do? |
| 02:34:41 | ][N-Flux | hang on |
| 02:34:44 | kendrick2 | :) |
| 02:35:01 | kendrick2 | switching to other apps can be troublesome. it's cuz SDL isn't quite ready for prime time under Qtopia yet |
| 02:35:07 | ][N-Flux | nm I'm stupid |
| 02:35:09 | kendrick2 | ;) |
| 02:35:13 | kendrick2 | like the sfx/music? |
| 02:35:17 | ][N-Flux | kickass |
| 02:35:22 | kendrick2 | it's an award-winning game, btw ;) |
| 02:35:25 | ][N-Flux | very temepest2k |
| 02:35:33 | ][N-Flux | we need tempest |
| 02:35:35 | ][N-Flux | and doom |
| 02:35:38 | ][N-Flux | and other stuff |
| 02:35:50 | kendrick2 | (i did not compose the music. the sfx were mostly ripped off. the explosions for the asteroids were tweaked by me with sox. the photon noise was a sample from the Atari 800 game "Star Raiders" i made years ago) |
| 02:36:02 | kendrick2 | (the sample, not the game... i was 4yrs old when the game came out ;)) |
| 02:36:09 | ][N-Flux | you made star raiders? |
| 02:36:14 | kendrick2 | n-flux - www.sonic.net/~nbs/tumult/ |
| 02:36:44 | kendrick2 | no... the venerable Doug Neubauer made Star Raiders ;) |
| 02:36:51 | ][N-Flux | was gonna say :) |
| 02:36:51 | tux_mike | hey warmi |
| 02:36:53 | kendrick2 | i made a tribute: http://www.sonic.net/~nbs/star-raiders/ |
| 02:37:07 | kendrick2 | i should see if atari800-sdl will cross-compile for the zaurus |
| 02:37:09 | kendrick2 | BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH |
| 02:37:17 | kendrick2 | i forget how it handles sound, tho :^/ |
| 02:37:37 | ljp_studio | tries out opieplayer |
| 02:38:10 | warmi | hi tux |
| 02:38:13 | ljp_studio | hmmm.. that DocLnk bug really sucks |
| 02:38:25 | tux_mike | never did get that email |
| 02:38:46 | warmi | well, I am gonna ask him tommorow again |
| 02:39:00 | BZFlag | anyone know where the wireless zaurus web page is? |
| 02:39:09 | tux_mike | zaurusmobile |
| 02:39:26 | kendrick2 | sharpmobile.com |
| 02:39:40 | kendrick2 | (needs www. it looks like) |
| 02:39:50 | tux_mike | oh, yah, sharp |
| 02:39:51 | tux_mike | :) |
| 02:39:53 | tux_mike | my bad |
| 02:40:03 | warmi | I forgot .. by default, is standard error the same as standard output when doing printf ? |
| 02:40:14 | kendrick2 | 'the same as'? |
| 02:40:14 | kergoth | man vectroids is quick on the Z |
| 02:40:19 | kergoth | im impressed |
| 02:40:24 | kendrick2 | kerg - it's actually slower than on my desktop |
| 02:40:26 | kergoth | kendrick2: nice work. vectroids rocks :-) |
| 02:40:30 | warmi | I know standard output is 0 I believe |
| 02:40:31 | kendrick2 | i'm taxing the poort z pretty hard i think |
| 02:40:33 | kendrick2 | but it plays well |
| 02:40:34 | tux_mike | warmi: no, i think you need fprintf for out to stderr |
| 02:40:43 | kendrick2 | fprintf(stderr, "foo\n"); |
| 02:40:45 | kergoth | kendrick2: yeah it slows a bit during a shitload of action, but its not at all bad |
| 02:40:53 | warmi | thanks |
| 02:40:56 | kendrick2 | it was a port of a port of agendaroids ;) |
| 02:41:04 | kendrick2 | so you all better shut yo' mouths about that pda |
| 02:41:13 | kendrick2 | lest i decide to revoke vectoroids privileges |
| 02:41:13 | kendrick2 | ;) |
| 02:41:18 | kergoth | argh |
| 02:41:24 | kergoth | ljp_studio: |
| 02:41:29 | kergoth | ljp_studio: does your vi segfault? |
| 02:41:30 | kergoth | ljp_studio: lol |
| 02:41:38 | ljp_studio | audio out works |
| 02:41:41 | ljp_studio | vi? |
| 02:41:46 | ljp_studio | whats that? |
| 02:41:51 | ljp_studio | lemme try |
| 02:41:56 | tux_mike | the only editor that exists! :) |
| 02:42:04 | ljp_studio | hmm |
| 02:42:13 | kendrick2 | http://www.templetons.com/brad/linkright.html <-- could this guy have used a LOWER quality JPEG photo of himself? |
| 02:42:13 | kendrick2 | YIKES |
| 02:42:33 | NeoTron | kergoth: :) |
| 02:43:00 | NeoTron | the SDL stuff doesn't do the correct qpe arg handling yet |
| 02:43:18 | kendrick2 | i found a mod which crashed sdl_mixer last night |
| 02:43:25 | ljp_studio | vi 'seems' to work.. |
| 02:43:31 | kendrick2 | i couldn't figure out what i had done to bork madbomber, since all i did was change some music |
| 02:43:40 | ljp_studio | err untill I press a button |
| 02:43:41 | kendrick2 | it worked fine without music. then i finally decided to use a different mod, and voila! |
| 02:43:56 | ljp_studio | kergoth: use emacs.. it runs |
| 02:45:46 | kendrick2 | shit! family guy's almost on! |
| 02:45:48 | kendrick2 | shuts alarm off |
| 02:46:17 | ljp_studio | kendrick2: port tempest |
| 02:46:34 | kendrick2 | www.sonic.net/~nbs/tumult/ |
| 02:46:36 | kendrick2 | one day :) |
| 02:46:37 | kendrick2 | i'll finish that |
| 02:46:39 | kendrick2 | and port to zaurus |
| 02:47:05 | ljp_studio | needs tempest |
| 02:47:27 | kendrick2 | does qmame or zmame or whatever not handle it? ;) |
| 02:47:51 | ][N-Flux | they don't have the driver included |
| 02:48:06 | ][N-Flux | z should be able to handle vector stuff in mame |
| 02:48:13 | kendrick2 | floating :) |
| 02:48:23 | ljp_studio | I dont know whats that.. all I want is tempest. JasonNJ said it was entered in the contest |
| 02:48:33 | kendrick2 | what!? |
| 02:48:39 | kendrick2 | cool! :) |
| 02:48:48 | kendrick2 | i'd like to see a port of T2K ;) |
| 02:48:50 | ljp_studio | but it did not win |
| 02:48:50 | kendrick2 | or T3K :) |
| 02:48:56 | kendrick2 | it must've sucked then :) |
| 02:49:20 | ljp_studio | I dunno.. I want to find out the maintainer... and get it |
| 02:50:11 | tux_mike | ljp_studio: you make opieftp? |
| 02:50:15 | ][N-Flux | kendrick2: you have a nuon? |
| 02:50:16 | ljp_studio | yes |
| 02:50:23 | tux_mike | i think you need a better icon |
| 02:50:32 | kendrick2 | no |
| 02:50:35 | ljp_studio | heh Harlekin did that |
| 02:50:38 | ][N-Flux | does :) |
| 02:50:49 | kendrick2 | i almost wanted one, but i have IS3 for PSX and T2K for Jaguar, and a DVD player in my PS2, so... |
| 02:50:52 | ][N-Flux | still need to get tempest3k though, hard to find |
| 02:50:52 | tux_mike | i think you need one that doesn't look literally like a piece of crap :) |
| 02:51:04 | kendrick2 | wow, i'm amazed that wasn't the first thing you got! |
| 02:51:05 | ljp_studio | hehehe |
| 02:51:16 | kendrick2 | i'm amazed a TxK hasn't come out for PS2 yet |
| 02:51:22 | kendrick2 | it'd be fucking AMAZINFG |
| 02:52:08 | ][N-Flux | I got sucked in by the VLM 2.0 |
| 02:52:15 | ][N-Flux | Jeff Minter is a GOD |
| 02:52:21 | kendrick2 | :) |
| 02:52:28 | kendrick2 | ever have a jaguar? |
| 02:52:34 | ][N-Flux | t2k was a great game |
| 02:52:37 | ][N-Flux | hell yeah |
| 02:52:41 | kendrick2 | right on :) |
| 02:52:44 | kendrick2 | has two... :) |
| 02:52:46 | ][N-Flux | nice |
| 02:52:48 | kendrick2 | i have two copies of battlesphere |
| 02:52:49 | kendrick2 | :^P |
| 02:52:54 | ][N-Flux | bastard |
| 02:53:11 | ][N-Flux | that took so long to come out :) |
| 02:53:34 | ][N-Flux | how is it |
| 02:53:40 | kendrick2 | it's pretty fun |
| 02:53:47 | kendrick2 | i played it a TON when i first got it... haven't so much in quite a while |
| 02:53:52 | ][N-Flux | worth the wait? |
| 02:53:55 | kendrick2 | pretty much haven't played any of my games systems |
| 02:54:12 | kendrick2 | n-flux - not really. :) i mean, it's just a jag game :) |
| 02:54:16 | kendrick2 | and it was like $80 a piece |
| 02:54:21 | kendrick2 | but i was rich back then ;) |
| 02:54:27 | kendrick2 | ok - crap... family guy! |
| 02:54:31 | kendrick2 | heads downstairs |
| 02:54:42 | ][N-Flux | Jag never got the respect it deserved |
| 02:58:33 | kend-zaur | aww..man. i think this is a repeat |
| 02:59:28 | narrowmind | sweet dq blizzards |
| 02:59:38 | kend-zaur | yes! "ernest goes to the beach" "ernest doesnt go to the beach" |
| 03:02:06 | ][N-Flux | nice |
| 03:02:33 | ][N-Flux | I can see the t..v from my desk no need to irc from the Z unless I'm on the crapper :) |
| 03:02:50 | narrowmind | zaurus has forth in the boot roms.. kick ASS |
| 03:03:05 | kend-zaur | huh? |
| 03:04:02 | ljp_studio | kendrick: you left a .xvpics dir in vectoroids ipk |
| 03:05:14 | kend-zaur | sorry |
| 03:05:19 | kend-zaur | gimp's fault :( |
| 03:05:33 | ljp_studio | hehehehe.. yep.. I've done that also |
| 03:06:16 | ljp_studio | thats one thing I despise about the gimp.. pooping .xvpics dirs everywhere |
| 03:07:04 | kend-zaur | "he's wearing a wire!" |
| 03:07:11 | ][N-Flux | hehehe |
| 03:07:16 | ][N-Flux | saw that hours ago |
| 03:07:29 | ][N-Flux | stewie is a freak child |
| 03:07:43 | kend-zaur | i LOVE this show |
| 03:08:59 | ][N-Flux | it is good stuff |
| 03:09:11 | ][N-Flux | Greg the bunny is decent too |
| 03:11:15 | kend-zaur | nipples and dimes... i mean nickles and boobs... money |
| 03:11:15 | ][N-Flux | I'M SINGING THE QUIET SONG...... |
| 05:56:52 | NeoTron | Com[Plex]: only jpegs? That's lame |
| 05:57:09 | Com[Plex] | so, anyone who wants to try any of the tkc apps,. Ill boot up VNC on my zaurus and let you have your way |
| 05:57:13 | NeoTron | I think tkc needs to sit down, take a breath, and work on their existing apps before making new ones |
| 05:57:22 | Com[Plex] | neo, yeah, I was Ripped when I found out about it |
| 05:57:30 | Com[Plex] | defenitely |
| 05:57:41 | treke_ | I'd agree |
| 05:57:50 | treke_ | good thing I got the gallery free :) |
| 05:57:56 | Com[Plex] | they got a good thing going, I hope they bring all these apps to fuition |
| 05:59:26 | Com[Plex] | tkc ftp crashes every time I use it. I cant ftp to my computer, and change to c:\documents and settings\administrator\Desktop without it locking up on me. |
| 05:59:27 | treke_ | maybe if they had spent less time on their annoying qt style :) |
| 05:59:36 | Com[Plex] | hehe |
| 05:59:58 | NeoTron | there's more or less one person doing all these apps |
| 06:00:16 | Com[Plex] | jabber seems to work okay. but.. I realise I dont like chatting with teh zxaurus much.. <big surprize> |
| 06:00:58 | Com[Plex] | kapital. Gallery, = delete delete |
| 06:01:21 | treke_ | kapital is actually the app I thought would be the most usefull. Now I'm waiting on stash |
| 06:01:26 | NeoTron | if I had some sort of nic i'd like at least irc |
| 06:01:33 | Com[Plex] | player = got great potential. But. PLayer does NOT equal MEDIA player. |
| 06:01:42 | NeoTron | treke_: how come you don't like kapital? |
| 06:01:46 | Com[Plex] | MEdia player isnt out yet, and will be 15$ more |
| 06:02:16 | Com[Plex] | Media player if you want to play mp3s AND movies |
| 06:02:19 | treke_ | NeoTron : Mostly UI issues. I tried using it for a couple of days but got annoyed by the way it handled accounts |
| 06:02:36 | NeoTron | Com[Plex]: nothing wrong with that per se |
| 06:02:37 | treke_ | Somehow I kept opening new accounts and accidently deleting old ones |
| 06:02:49 | Com[Plex] | why they didnt make the two the same, I dont know. - Qtopia was smart enought to make there media player play mp3s and movies, |
| 06:02:50 | NeoTron | treke_: hum, what did the manual say? |
| 06:02:56 | treke_ | NeoTron : manual? hehe |
| 06:02:58 | NeoTron | Com[Plex]: profits |
| 06:03:17 | NeoTron | treke: that was intentional :-) |
| 06:03:21 | NeoTron | they need to spend some time on docs it seems |
| 06:03:34 | Com[Plex] | oh yeah |
| 06:03:40 | Com[Plex] | help = non exsistant |
| 06:03:45 | Com[Plex] | what the hell do these icons do? |
| 06:03:56 | treke_ | Yeah, that bit me quite a bit in kaptial |
| 06:04:07 | Com[Plex] | click on one that looks like the "open" icon in explorer, and it opens a bookmark thingy |
| 06:04:08 | Com[Plex] | wtf |
| 06:04:23 | Com[Plex] | - however, help is on the way |
| 06:04:26 | Com[Plex] | so im told |
| 06:04:38 | treke_ | (at only 1meg per app for help files) |
| 06:04:58 | fusion94 | is away: Law & Order |
| 06:05:02 | Com[Plex] | - I actually went in with wpe file manager and looked at the icon files and the names of them to match witht he graphic |
| 06:05:23 | treke_ | I find the qpe stock filemanager more intuitive to use than tkcs |
| 06:05:27 | Com[Plex] | oh yeah, with File manager, because with Explorer, it doesnt open files right |
| 06:05:46 | treke_ | I have to give them credit for a nice text editor |
| 06:05:51 | treke_ | So far I have no complaints with it |
| 06:06:02 | Com[Plex] | yeah, I like it, slow, but I like it |
| 06:06:20 | NeoTron | I only tried explorer and editor |
| 06:06:23 | treke_ | only think I can think to complain about is the color scheme :) |
| 06:06:31 | NeoTron | my biggest gripe is the damn tkc tab |
| 06:06:48 | treke_ | explorer seemed to be missing to much, its layout was confusing, no click to open, and no drag and drop |
| 06:06:49 | Com[Plex] | - if they put a "confirm on exit" pop up I would be a lot happier. because I allways close it accidentally when I click "OK" when opening a file and it goes too slow, so I think I didnt click |
| 06:06:55 | NeoTron | I'm surprised Shawn hasn't popped in yet. :P |
| 06:07:07 | Com[Plex] | well, msmax is in here. |
| 06:07:09 | Com[Plex] | hes tkc |
| 06:07:21 | treke_ | hes actually the author of all these fine apps |
| 06:07:24 | Com[Plex] | yeah |
| 06:07:26 | NeoTron | right, was about to say that |
| 06:07:40 | Com[Plex] | msmax made the player, or so I have the impression. |
| 06:08:08 | Com[Plex] | I gotta ask him about putting in a "keylock and light off" button |
| 06:08:43 | Com[Plex] | I think I might re program the volume button program to include that one |
| 06:08:57 | Com[Plex] | that would rule :> |
| 06:09:18 | Com[Plex] | now, if I could just learn how to program my way out of a wet paper bag, I would kick ass :> |
| 06:09:46 | treke_ | Com[Plex] : its more fun to tell other people what their apps should do |
| 06:09:51 | Com[Plex] | hahahaha |
| 06:10:05 | Com[Plex] | I must seem like the biggest asshole right now |
| 06:10:24 | treke_ | Com[Plex] : Its reasonable, you paid for the apps |
| 06:10:43 | Com[Plex] | nods |
| 06:12:12 | Com[Plex] | when warmi gets back I want to chat with him about that. hehe. I got the source from the site there, <for puzzle> and learned how to compile it, and modified to unlock all 50 levels. but I actually still want to give him money for it. |
| 06:12:15 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 06:12:20 | Com[Plex] | this game rules! |
| 06:13:23 | Com[Plex] | neo: you know, you can get rid of the tkc tab.. right? |
| 06:15:28 | treke_ | mv $QPEDIR/apps/theKompany.com/* $QPEDIR/apps/Applications |
| 06:15:38 | treke_ | rm -rf $QPEDIR/apps/theKompany.com |
| 06:18:08 | Com[Plex] | yup. he knew. |
| 06:18:30 | Com[Plex] | goes and lofts in a channel where he knows more than other people. |
| 06:34:06 | kendrick2 | re |
| 06:47:01 | NeoTron | I know, but then uninstall doesn't work right etc |
| 06:47:10 | NeoTron | in reality the whole damn issue is the lack of user categorizarion |
| 06:47:38 | kendrick2 | huh? |
| 06:47:42 | kendrick2 | you talkin' to me? |
| 06:48:11 | NeoTron | <Com[Plex]> neo: you know, you can get rid of the tkc tab.. right? |
| 06:48:17 | kendrick2 | oh :) |
| 06:48:21 | kendrick2 | was away |
| 06:48:21 | NeoTron | doh |
| 06:48:28 | NeoTron | I have these pop can coolers |
| 06:51:58 | kendrick2 | ok |
| 06:52:03 | kendrick2 | my x doesnt like swithcing rez :( |
| 06:52:55 | NeoTron | as I was saying, I have these pop can coolers. They are frozen and keep cans cold for hours |
| 06:53:05 | kendrick2 | ok? :) |
| 06:53:06 | kendrick2 | and? |
| 06:53:15 | NeoTron | I grabbed one an hour ago or so and now discovered that I grabbed the one I just put into the freezer |
| 06:53:18 | NeoTron | so my pop is warm |
| 06:53:20 | NeoTron | like grr |
| 06:53:25 | NeoTron | doesn't like warm pop. |
| 06:53:33 | NeoTron | almost as bad as pop that has lost the fizzle |
| 06:53:37 | treke_ | doesnt like people to call it pop |
| 06:53:43 | treke_ | warm Dr. Pepper isnt bad |
| 06:54:10 | NeoTron | so if not pop, then what? soda? sodapop? carbonated drinks ? |
| 06:54:11 | NeoTron | :) |
| 06:54:19 | Com[Plex] | soda |
| 06:54:21 | treke_ | soda or coke |
| 06:54:27 | Com[Plex] | coke ! lol |
| 06:54:29 | treke_ | preferably coke |
| 06:54:33 | Com[Plex] | what if its not coke |
| 06:54:34 | kendrick2 | cooola |
| 06:54:37 | kendrick2 | cola for coke & pepsi |
| 06:54:39 | Com[Plex] | what if its orange |
| 06:54:40 | kendrick2 | soda for all of them |
| 06:54:53 | treke_ | as in <Person 1> Get me a coke. <Person 2> What kind? |
| 06:54:54 | NeoTron | would confuse people if you say "want some coke?" and they say yes and you bring them a sprite |
| 06:55:05 | Com[Plex] | are you one of those people who orders "an orange coke please?" ? |
| 06:55:12 | kendrick2 | decides to port bugsquish to zaurus |
| 06:55:25 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 06:55:42 | treke_ | nope. If I could stand the stuff, I'd call it orange soda |
| 06:55:49 | Com[Plex] | "we got coke, orange coke, sprite coke, root beer coke..." |
| 06:56:11 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 06:56:39 | Com[Plex] | I think its funny, how the fiz used to come from fermentation, and now it comes from CO2 |
| 06:56:59 | treke_ | I use coke simply as the generic term for carbonated beverages or when specifically refering to cocoa cola products |
| 06:58:32 | NeoTron | I use "pop" for whatever reason |
| 06:58:43 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 06:58:55 | Com[Plex] | trke is from the south, and neo is from midwest |
| 06:59:51 | treke_ | south west |
| 07:00:17 | NeoTron | I'm from sweden mind you. :P |
| 07:00:25 | Com[Plex] | im from maine, where we call it soda, since "soda" is sodium cabonate and is what makes soda fizzy, and Coke is a flavor, and not nearly as general as soda. |
| 07:00:31 | NeoTron | and learned English using the obligatory Brittish English |
| 07:00:43 | treke_ | NeoTron : so sorry |
| 07:00:43 | NeoTron | so whatever I do now is from living in the NW for 6 yrs |
| 07:01:07 | NeoTron | and I'm mostly gotten rid of all the horrible brittish engrish by now too. :P |
| 07:01:09 | Com[Plex] | neo,. pop is good |
| 07:01:15 | Com[Plex] | pop is better than coke. :> |
| 07:01:39 | NeoTron | I use coke as a term for 'cola drinks" when in reality "cola" would be more appropriate |
| 07:02:13 | Com[Plex] | yeah- its like lolly pops vs suckers. |
| 07:02:41 | Com[Plex] | some people call em suckers. and some call them lolly pops. some call em pops, and in some freaky places they just call them "a lolly" |
| 07:09:01 | Com[Plex] | well, this just in, qasteroids is obviously not important enough to qtopia to finish |
| 07:09:18 | treke_ | big surprise |
| 07:09:37 | Com[Plex] | the source code appears to be all good, but it does. |
| 07:09:39 | Com[Plex] | doesnt |
| 07:09:40 | treke_ | where is that news flash from |
| 07:10:22 | Com[Plex] | well, I went in and tinkered with it for a second, to try and select different keys to use for pause and shields, and compiled iot to run in a window in my linux vmware session |
| 07:10:36 | Com[Plex] | got it playing, and still couldnt use shields, or pause |
| 07:11:49 | Com[Plex] | all he graphics for the sheild are present, it looks to me like the routines are present for activating the sheilds, playing the graphics, protecting the ship fromdamage, even the part where it takes points away form the players score for activating it |
| 07:12:05 | Com[Plex] | it jsut doesnt - go |
| 07:16:48 | treke_ | NeoTron : I gave sarien a shot with SDL, doesnt look like it would work, there'd be no keyboard avaialble |
| 07:17:24 | Com[Plex] | no kb? |
| 07:17:35 | Com[Plex] | hey, how about spyhunter for the Z? >:> |
| 07:17:43 | Com[Plex] | I think it would be cool! |
| 07:18:07 | treke_ | Com[Plex] : Full screen SDL blocks access to the Qtopia keyboard, which means no typing unless you have a keyboard |
| 07:20:23 | Com[Plex] | the zaurus Has a keyboard |
| 07:20:32 | treke_ | Com[Plex] : but the ipaq doesnt :) |
| 07:22:13 | Com[Plex] | #zaurus :> |
| 07:22:28 | Com[Plex] | hehe, im bieng a jerk. im sorry |
| 07:22:30 | treke_ | :) |
| 07:22:39 | Com[Plex] | trke, have you seen my paint job yet? |
| 07:22:42 | Com[Plex] | [12PIMP] http://me.256k.net/casemod/ZAURUS-MODS/ |
| 07:22:42 | treke_ | nope |
| 07:22:59 | Com[Plex] | http://me.256k.net/casemod/ZAURUS-MODS/Blue-Zaurus4.jpg |
| 07:23:19 | treke_ | snazzy |
| 07:28:21 | Com[Plex] | thanx :> |
| 07:28:38 | Com[Plex] | I can never leave anything alone. allways gotta paint it, carve it up, add stuff to it. etc |
| 07:28:56 | NeoTron | god FTP to the Z is abmyssal |
| 07:29:00 | NeoTron | I need to fix the ssh again |
| 07:31:59 | druiid | hola |
| 07:32:21 | druiid | anyone alive? |
| 07:33:23 | Com[Plex] | yep |
| 07:35:56 | druiid | well.. I wanted to play around with openzaurus.............. and decided that after flashing, it's not too useful yet. Problem is, I have one of the 5500's so the flash image for the Sharp distrib isn't available. Know anyone that has made a copy of the image so the 5500's can be re-flashed? I e-mailed sharp.. but it'll be at least a day before I get a response. |
| 07:39:42 | NeoTron | http://www.snapbubbles.com/ |
| 07:40:19 | NeoTron | druiid: I'm afraid there is no know source of that |
| 07:41:31 | druiid | neotron: so in other words the plea that I sent in to sharp to send me a flash image is my best bet :) |
| 07:41:53 | NeoTron | probably yes |
| 07:41:58 | druiid | sucks... |
| 07:42:35 | druiid | well, in that case, is there a guide for the wireless net setup for the linksys CF card anywhere so I don't end up bashing my head in trying to get it working? |
| 07:48:20 | Com[Plex] | neotron, couldnt he jsut put rom 1.13 on there? |
| 07:48:29 | NeoTron | not exactly |
| 07:48:33 | Com[Plex] | it woudnt have the hancom package, but he probably woudnt need it |
| 07:48:35 | NeoTron | well, it might work but it's not the same |
| 07:48:42 | NeoTron | different memory allocaiton.. |
| 07:48:49 | Com[Plex] | it has the same memory alocation' |
| 07:48:56 | NeoTron | no |
| 07:49:05 | NeoTron | the 5500 rom has 32/32 |
| 07:49:13 | NeoTron | and since the 5000 only has 32 total... |
| 07:49:17 | Com[Plex] | hmm.. |
| 07:49:25 | druiid | the 5000 image wouldn't work, that's the whole problem. |
| 07:49:49 | druiid | I could actually give a shit less about the hancom stuff if that were the only difference :) |
| 07:49:52 | Com[Plex] | what do you mean it woudnt work? |
| 07:50:04 | Com[Plex] | what woudnt work about it? it should have worked fine |
| 07:50:15 | Com[Plex] | rom 1.13? |
| 07:50:39 | druiid | the 5000 has 32 megs of ram, the 5500 64.. the 5000 images are tailored for the 32 megs of ram. |
| 07:51:56 | Com[Plex] | neo: http://www.snapbubbles.com/ - that a fucking riot |
| 07:52:11 | NeoTron | as someone said, not as fun as in RL tho |
| 07:52:28 | Com[Plex] | druid, they are taylored around 32mb, sure, but its not limited to that |
| 07:52:47 | Com[Plex] | it uses up as much as it has to for the heap and stuff, and leaves the rest for storage |
| 07:52:53 | Com[Plex] | give it a shot |
| 07:53:37 | druiid | I could theoretically try that image.. and theoretically the worst I would have to do would be to re-flash.. but I'm not sure I should chance it. |
| 07:53:54 | druiid | this is an awful expensive "toy" to mess up beyond repair. |
| 07:53:59 | hunger | druiid: Which image? beta4? |
| 07:54:32 | druiid | hunger: well, I installed that.. now trying to get back the zaurus distrib, because beta4 isn't at a high usability point right now. |
| 07:54:54 | hunger | druiid: Which version does the SHARP ROM you use have? |
| 07:55:22 | druiid | hunger: well, that's the whole problem.. this is a 5500.. the image isn't really available. |
| 07:55:30 | Com[Plex] | *sigh* |
| 07:55:47 | druiid | unless I risk trying a 5000 rom, like 1.13 |
| 07:55:48 | Com[Plex] | you flashed beta4, and now you are worried abotu frying your PET? |
| 07:55:49 | hunger | druiid: I know that feeling:-) I flashed to OZ3 |
| 07:55:56 | druiid | curses himself for wanting to play around. |
| 07:56:02 | Com[Plex] | fear not druivf |
| 07:56:08 | Com[Plex] | rom 1.13 is the one you want |
| 07:56:12 | hunger | druiid: I rather liked OZ3. |
| 07:56:16 | Com[Plex] | let me link you |
| 07:56:26 | druiid | complex: I know where the rom is :) |
| 07:56:35 | hunger | druiid: At least till kergoth told me to upgrade to a broken libc6:-) |
| 07:56:50 | Com[Plex] | http://more.sbc.co.jp/slj/download.asp |
| 07:57:10 | hunger | Com[Plex]: 1.13 is for the 5000, isen't it? That might not work with droids 5500. |
| 07:57:14 | druiid | hunger: well, I just can't get it to sync with the doze qtopia desktop software, or figure out how to setup the wireless card. |
| 07:57:46 | druiid | I'm sure I should theoretically be able to get both working, but with how much work is the question. |
| 07:57:50 | hunger | druiid: I have my ethernet card up and running with no problem at all. |
| 07:57:56 | druiid | hunger: which card? |
| 07:58:15 | hunger | druiid: A socket CF+ 10/100 (which does not work at all with the SHARP ROM!) |
| 07:58:27 | neophyte | hi all |
| 07:58:40 | hunger | druiid: One of the reasons I love OZ;-) |
| 07:58:43 | druiid | hunger: oh... this is a linksys wireless CF. |
| 07:59:32 | hunger | druid: I never tried wireless (I think it's too expensive for the bandwidth they offer). |
| 07:59:37 | Com[Plex] | hunger, what brand is your CF wireless? |
| 07:59:43 | druiid | the linksys wireless supposedly works, but I'm not sure which configs other than /etc/pcmcia I need to mess with. |
| 07:59:50 | hunger | druiid: But to setup a ethernet card all you need to do is edit /etc/network/interfaces. |
| 08:00:18 | hunger | Com[Plex]: I got a Socket CF+ 10/100 ETHERNET, not a wireless. |
| 08:00:31 | Com[Plex] | ahh |
| 08:00:47 | druiid | hunger: well I could do that through the network settings qtopia program as well.. |
| 08:00:48 | hunger | druiid: I propably won't need to touch /etc/pcmcia/* |
| 08:00:57 | Com[Plex] | I got a hawkings CF wireless and a hawkings rj45 cf |
| 08:01:10 | hunger | druiid: Not on OZ. The network setup app is broken there. |
| 08:01:34 | Com[Plex] | hardly use the hard line one. takes too much battery power. |
| 08:02:16 | hunger | Com[Plex]: I ned a wire anyway, so I don't mind pluging in the charger whenever I use the network adapter. |
| 08:02:17 | druiid | well, there's also the problem that it looks like the only way I'll be able to sync to the Z right now is with Linux, and not through doze. |
| 08:02:43 | hunger | druiid: No idea. Never synced my Z. |
| 08:03:17 | druiid | hunger: heh |
| 08:03:36 | druiid | well, mainly I need to sync it to get some better wireless tools on it.. |
| 08:04:28 | hunger | needs to build a 40/24 kernel for his 5500 today. |
| 08:05:05 | Com[Plex] | druid, I sync fine with win2k |
| 08:05:08 | druiid | oh.. and the automount for the SD card doesn't work in OpenZaurus. |
| 08:05:29 | druiid | tries again after changing the access options to "Any" in security. |
| 08:05:49 | neo | so this is a "falling out of channels all the time"-day |
| 08:05:54 | neo | for me |
| 08:05:58 | druiid | nope.. it's not even recognizing the USB device now.. wtf. |
| 08:06:39 | neo | druiid check if the IP-Adress is still entered in the networking options |
| 08:06:48 | Com[Plex] | druidd, maybe you should back up a little. try starting smaller, - get your thing to sync again before you try new os's on it |
| 08:07:01 | neo | I had that problem after playing with networking options |
| 08:07:11 | Com[Plex] | but hey, whatever floats your boat. |
| 08:07:12 | druiid | complex: it synced fine before I installed OZ :) |
| 08:07:28 | druiid | I'm not quite that much of a moron :) |
| 08:08:02 | Com[Plex] | well thats not what I was getting at. I am suggesting that you put rom 1.13 back on there. |
| 08:08:32 | hunger | Com[Plex]: Syncing is for sissies that are affraid to loose there oh so valuable data when reflashing their Z's ;-) |
| 08:08:44 | Com[Plex] | heheehhe |
| 08:08:48 | druiid | well, I'm just still not sure that's going to be a great idea, since I haven't heard anyone trying the 5000 roms on the 5500's. |
| 08:08:52 | Com[Plex] | yeah, I dont even know where my docker is |
| 08:08:59 | Com[Plex] | I used wit maybe twice |
| 08:09:06 | Com[Plex] | [12PIMP] http://me.256k.net/casemod/ZAURUS-MODS/ |
| 08:09:15 | Com[Plex] | then I painted my Z, and tossed the docker |
| 08:11:05 | Com[Plex] | and now, I must go to sleep |
| 08:11:09 | druiid | plays around.. tries to figure out why doze isn't seeing the Z as a USB device anymore. |
| 08:11:29 | Com[Plex] | wrong drivers |
| 08:11:40 | hunger | druiid: OZ4 should support USB networking again. |
| 08:11:40 | Com[Plex] | gotta put the old mcci drivers on to see it now |
| 08:11:51 | Com[Plex] | the SL drivers wotn work with iz |
| 08:12:06 | Com[Plex] | oz |
| 08:12:14 | druiid | hunger: well, it doesn't appear to like doze.. I might have to use my linux system. |
| 08:12:38 | Com[Plex] | DRUID: you have gotta put the old beta mcci drivers on to see it now. |
| 08:12:50 | Com[Plex] | the SL drivers wont work with oz |
| 08:13:16 | druiid | weak. |
| 08:13:23 | Com[Plex] | sides that, if you would just get your network up,. you wont need the docker :> |
| 08:13:54 | druiid | complex: Heh, well.. I suppose I'll play with the configs some more to try to get the wireless up. |
| 08:14:21 | druiid | kicks the CF card a few times to make sure it wants to work. |
| 08:14:23 | Com[Plex] | anyweay, best wishes. I hope you get it running right, - and if you decide to sell it, msg me :> |
| 08:14:36 | druiid | haha |
| 08:15:02 | druiid | complex: I'm sure somehow I'll get it working.. maybe I'll be lucky and sharp will give me a flash image. |
| 08:17:37 | kendrick2 | who wants to try out bugsqusih? :) |
| 08:20:44 | neo | thanks |
| 08:21:27 | neophyte | that looks a lot better :) |
| 08:25:21 | kendrick2 | well, anyone? :) |
| 08:30:39 | kendrick2 | guess not :^/ |
| 08:30:40 | kendrick2 | gnite! |
| 08:30:46 | druiid | well there's no change that CF networking will work on OZ... it doesn't even include the prism driver that the linksys needs. |
| 08:42:09 | neophyte | oh, I forgot - I still need to de-install the Hancom Presenter Viewer |
| 08:42:26 | neophyte | though it works nicely, but I don't think I 'll ever need it |
| 08:56:45 | hunger | druiid: There is a kernel-modules ipk in the feed. Have you checked that too? |
| 08:57:50 | druiid | hunger: it's possible it's in there I suppose.. |
| 08:57:52 | druiid | looks |
| 08:58:21 | hunger | druiid: And of course it could be build into the kernel. |
| 08:58:52 | druiid | hunger: maybe, but I don't see why they would. It isn't built into the standard Zaurus kernel. |
| 08:59:09 | hunger | druiid: Do you know how that module's config option is called? Then I could check the kernel config used to build the zImages. |
| 08:59:25 | druiid | it should be prism2 or something similar. |
| 08:59:37 | hunger | is new to OZ, but he should manage to do that;-) |
| 09:01:10 | hunger | druiid: Don't find any PRISM in the config file. |
| 09:01:27 | hunger | druiid: So the name is wrong:-( The unused options are strill there, just commented out. |
| 09:01:35 | druiid | hmm |
| 09:01:50 | hunger | Do you know the section it's under? |
| 09:02:05 | druiid | not off-hand I'm afraid. |
| 09:02:15 | druiid | probably network devices, though. |
| 09:05:10 | hunger | druiid: Obviously only pcnet is activated. |
| 09:05:29 | hunger | druiid: # CONFIG_NET_PCMCIA_RADIO is not set |
| 09:05:44 | hunger | druiid: I guess that's where the wireless cards should go... |
| 09:19:37 | druiid | well, I'll bother with it more tomorrow.. bedtime. |
| 09:25:41 | GogaN | I'm a luser no one ever seen... |
| 10:28:35 | Narrowmind | whhoo..128 bit wep |
| 10:31:25 | weimer | is away: I'm busy |
| 12:14:37 | weimer | is back (gone 01:43:12) |
| 12:38:13 | benmeyer | morning |
| 12:39:16 | benmeyer | http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=162 |
| 12:39:20 | benmeyer | hehe |
| 12:56:17 | hunger | hehe, nearly half the bugs reported on OZ are mine:-) |
| 12:57:34 | NetAmp | http://www.oqo.com/ !! |
| 12:57:46 | NetAmp | 12,4 x 7,4 x 2,3 centimeter (BxHxD) |
| 12:57:55 | NetAmp | 1GHz Transmeta Crusoe TM5800 processor |
| 12:58:00 | hunger | NetAmp: Yes, we discussed that thing yesterday allready. |
| 12:58:01 | NetAmp | 256MB onboard RAM |
| 12:58:05 | NetAmp | oops |
| 12:58:17 | NetAmp | apologises ;) |
| 12:58:19 | NetAmp | heh |
| 12:58:25 | hunger | NetAmp: Go on drooling;-) We all understand. |
| 12:58:30 | NetAmp | that thing looks cool |
| 12:58:36 | NetAmp | though it's not as pretty as the Z ;) |
| 13:01:14 | NetAmp | but sweeeet stats |
| 13:01:30 | NetAmp | still it's about 2 times as expensive as the Z :S |
| 13:04:42 | neophyte | anyone knows when Sharp will release an updated ROM? |
| 13:05:02 | neophyte | if ever |
| 13:05:25 | benmeyer | next few weeks |
| 13:05:42 | benmeyer | fixing up some driver bugs |
| 13:05:45 | neophyte | ah |
| 13:06:23 | neophyte | a lot more needs fixing though |
| 13:06:24 | hunger | benmeyer: Any fixes for the various security issues with the Z? |
| 13:06:52 | benmeyer | not this release sorry. Way too many things need changing |
| 13:06:57 | benmeyer | Updating the feed |
| 13:07:11 | neophyte | yeah, I guess so |
| 13:07:36 | benmeyer | to properly fix the security |
| 13:07:48 | neophyte | though the German ROM (5500G) seems to have a higher version number than the standard ROM |
| 13:08:00 | benmeyer | What is the number? |
| 13:08:03 | killefiz_work | neophyte: no, german is 2.13G |
| 13:08:09 | killefiz_work | the us-zauri have 2.13 |
| 13:08:15 | benmeyer | 2.12 and 2.13 are the same |
| 13:08:35 | benmeyer | http://www.zauruszone.com/feed/servermanager_1.0_arm.ipk |
| 13:08:37 | neophyte | ah, yesterday I spoke to several ppl who had 2.12 |
| 13:08:39 | benmeyer | Check that out |
| 13:09:02 | benmeyer | Turn on/off telnet with just a click |
| 13:09:04 | benmeyer | :-) |
| 13:09:28 | neophyte | wish I could do that for FTP |
| 13:09:37 | neophyte | I need to synch with Outlook |
| 13:10:27 | benmeyer | turn it on/off? |
| 13:10:30 | benmeyer | ftp? |
| 13:11:12 | hunger | benmeyer: I guess he wants to be able to turn of ftp on port 4242. |
| 13:11:33 | benmeyer | is there a easy way to do that? |
| 13:11:49 | benmeyer | Is is just commenting out the line in inetd.conf? |
| 13:11:57 | benmeyer | if so then it will be in my next release :) |
| 13:12:10 | hunger | benmeyer: Bind something to port 4242 in inetd.conf. |
| 13:13:09 | benmeyer | isn't the ftp server? |
| 13:13:14 | neophyte | right, 4242 is the port I mean, the port used for synching |
| 13:13:17 | neophyte | it is ftp |
| 13:13:28 | hunger | benmeyer: But of course you can't use that to turn on/off the sync daemon as it will only restart when you restart qpe. |
| 13:13:55 | benmeyer | what about a KILLHUP? |
| 13:14:32 | neophyte | that is my problem - either not synch with Outlook or having my Z wide open |
| 13:15:26 | neophyte | anyway, it would be cool, if intellisync could work with a password |
| 13:15:40 | hunger | benmeyer: What you need to do is this: |
| 13:15:52 | killefiz_work | benmeyer: what's the servermanagers license? |
| 13:15:53 | hunger | benmeyer: 1) bind something to port 4242 in inetd.conf |
| 13:16:09 | hunger | benmeyer: 2) start qpe (sync daemon will not start as the port is in use) |
| 13:16:26 | benmeyer | Feed is done updating. Put Quake and a number of other new things there |
| 13:16:30 | hunger | benmeyer: Then it's off. |
| 13:16:33 | benmeyer | ok |
| 13:16:50 | hunger | benmeyer: To turn it back on you need to comment out the line in inetd.conf, send a killhup to inetd |
| 13:17:03 | benmeyer | killfix_work the license is unknown at this time |
| 13:17:03 | hunger | benmeyer: And then restart QPE so the sync daemon will startup. |
| 13:17:04 | benmeyer | :) |
| 13:17:16 | benmeyer | Still waiting on Japan for the answer to that |
| 13:17:22 | benmeyer | but I can distribute the ipk |
| 13:17:28 | hunger | benmeyer: Of course this would be way easier if the Z had iptables;-) |
| 13:17:33 | benmeyer | probably dual Sharp pro and gpl |
| 13:17:45 | benmeyer | hunger: it does |
| 13:17:55 | benmeyer | opie-security get it off the feed |
| 13:18:08 | killefiz_work | benmeyer: do you have a screenshot for that? |
| 13:18:56 | neophyte | I get the impression (I guess I'm not the only one) that the Zaurus was put on sale a tiny bit early |
| 13:19:04 | neophyte | could that be? |
| 13:20:46 | neophyte | I mean I love it, I can use it, but security is definitely an issue that shouldn't be taken lightly |
| 13:23:53 | henning | benmeyer: I got permission denied for http://www.zauruszone.com/feed/servermanager_1.0_arm.ipk |
| 13:25:19 | hunger | benmeyer: Well, OZ does not yet:-) I'm working on that though. |
| 13:26:40 | hunger | neophyte: I think the Z is allmost perfect. The only thing I think was fumbled by Sharp is the missing CTRL key on the builtin keyboard. |
| 13:27:23 | hunger | thinks about mapping that to NumLock or something that he does not need regularly... |
| 13:29:53 | neophyte | the hardware is cool |
| 13:30:14 | neophyte | it's the software that came with it, that has issues |
| 13:31:27 | benmeyer | henning: try now |
| 13:32:04 | hunger | neophyte: That's something I don't mind. It's linux so I can tweak it. |
| 13:33:33 | neophyte | hunger, If this is to be a tool for linux savvy tweakers, sharp will not sell enough of them |
| 13:34:04 | hunger | neophyte: ...which is the reason why I got one ASAP. I doubt it will last for long. |
| 13:34:46 | neophyte | it shouldn't be that way |
| 13:34:48 | hunger | neophyte: Every shopowner I talked to (and I know a few) won't put it into the store since it's too geeky:-( |
| 13:34:57 | neophyte | and it need not be that way |
| 13:35:53 | hunger | neophyte: Sure. But that would need *MASSIVE* advertisement to make people aware that it a) exists and b) is better then WinCE PDAs. |
| 13:36:05 | hunger | neophyte: I have not yet seen a single Ad for the Z... |
| 13:36:05 | neophyte | I only know smaller shops, so they don't even have Palm or WinCE stuff |
| 13:36:56 | hunger | neophyte: If nobody asks for the Z it won't make it into the stores. If it's not in the stores nobody will ask for it. |
| 13:37:07 | neophyte | the only shop that had them round here, ordered a second batch after they sold their first delivery within a few days |
| 13:38:37 | henning | benmeyer: thanks |
| 13:40:05 | neophyte | but sharp germany doesn't really have a marketing concept or so it seems |
| 13:41:20 | benmeyer | http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=165 |
| 13:41:23 | benmeyer | screenshot :) |
| 13:41:34 | hunger | neophyte: Yeap. They show the Z at linux-events (if at all). That's preaching to the choir. The geeks know the thing, they love it allready. |
| 13:41:55 | benmeyer | The show Z at linux events because that is where the first-gen developers are |
| 13:42:35 | benmeyer | They arn't blowing 300Million on advertising because they arn't dumb. They have to build up the product, work out the bugs etc |
| 13:42:36 | neophyte | you can't really show it to people who need PIM, because those look at the PIM software |
| 13:42:54 | hunger | benmeyer: Yes, it was a fine thing to do while the Z was not on the market. But now? |
| 13:43:03 | neophyte | and will say: this is crap |
| 13:43:19 | benmeyer | the z is much more then a pim tool |
| 13:43:26 | benmeyer | it is whole computer in 1 |
| 13:43:35 | neophyte | hey, would sharp put a z into a raffle for YAPC::Europe 2002? |
| 13:43:54 | hunger | neophyte: Well, let Sharp figure this out. They need to sell their stuff. It's not my busines. |
| 13:44:09 | benmeyer | think companies buying 30,000 simply because they can port there scripts to it and have it just work and work mobily |
| 13:44:20 | neophyte | it is benmeyer, but a lot of people need to lose their fear of the commandline ;) |
| 13:44:28 | benmeyer | bull |
| 13:44:44 | benmeyer | the command line users need to lose there fear of loosing the command line |
| 13:45:00 | hunger | benmeyer: I wish Sharp the best of luck with the Z! But I doubt they'll have it. |
| 13:45:09 | neophyte | I mean, you can work on linux, without seeing the commandline much, but Win32 users always fear losing something |
| 13:45:40 | benmeyer | I am internal at Sharp and I can tell you that the Z isn't going away any time soon |
| 13:45:54 | neophyte | good to hear, benmeyer |
| 13:46:53 | hunger | benmeyer: The user needs to have the feeling that he can't break anything so they dare to tryout things! *I* don't have that feeling with the Z since I am root all the time. |
| 13:47:16 | hunger | benmeyer: Not that it hinders me from messing with it, I think I know enough to fix it if I break it:-) |
| 13:47:45 | hunger | benmeyer: Do you know the guys running the german zaurus site? |
| 13:48:02 | benmeyer | nope |
| 13:48:04 | neophyte | which german zaurus site - the official one? |
| 13:48:05 | benmeyer | the sf site? |
| 13:48:14 | benmeyer | don't know how offical that is |
| 13:48:16 | neophyte | zaurus.de |
| 13:48:16 | hunger | benmeyer: www.zaurus.de or developer.zaurus.de |
| 13:48:23 | benmeyer | still waiting for confirmation on that |
| 13:48:30 | benmeyer | Jason is taking care of it though |
| 13:48:58 | hunger | benmeyer: The german sharp hotline told me to ask the guys there, so I consider those to be offical:-) |
| 13:49:40 | hunger | benmeyer: The site is absolutly broken for me. And I can't send a mail to any e-mail address I'd consider to be responsible for the thing (webmaster, the account sending out mails, etc.) |
| 13:50:29 | benmeyer | same here |
| 13:50:57 | benmeyer | but again speak to Jason about it heis working on it |
| 13:50:59 | killefiz_work | hunger: at least the zaurus.de site has been updated yesterday |
| 13:51:17 | hunger | killefiz_work: It has? I'll have to check it out then. |
| 13:51:47 | killefiz_work | hunger: nothing new really - but the dates of the news seems to have changed. It used to say 04.04 - under construction |
| 13:51:56 | killefiz_work | now it has: 18.04. - under construction |
| 13:51:57 | killefiz_work | ;) |
| 13:52:25 | hunger | killefiz_work: Ah! The update I've been waiting for;-) |
| 13:55:58 | neophyte | cool update |
| 13:56:20 | neophyte | great communicators |
| 13:58:31 | neophyte | has gotta run - keep up the good work benmeyer :) |
| 13:58:57 | neophyte | see you all |
| 14:09:32 | benmeyer | http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=132 |
| 14:09:38 | benmeyer | where can I download that? |
| 14:10:15 | ljp_ | http://www.climov.com/zaurus/modplayer/modplayer_0.9.2-d1_arm.ipk |
| 14:10:20 | ljp_ | ?? |
| 14:14:10 | ljp_ | I think stash development has stagnated |
| 14:24:48 | benmeyer | Anyone here have openssh 3.1 installed? |
| 14:25:29 | JasonNJ | how do you do the wlan config in openzaurus? |
| 14:25:31 | ljp_ | I did at one time. I manually installed it tho. It was a pain |
| 14:25:53 | hunger | benmeyer: Not yet. |
| 14:26:06 | hunger | JasonNJ: No idea. |
| 14:28:59 | JasonNJ | where is wlan.conf stored in openzaurus? |
| 14:30:19 | ljp_ | it isn't in yet. I don't think |
| 14:30:56 | ljp_ | tell kergoth, or submit a bug report at sf |
| 14:31:11 | JasonNJ | the pcmcia wlan stuff is there |
| 14:31:21 | JasonNJ | hell it even detects the card |
| 14:31:28 | JasonNJ | but the wlan config isnt there |
| 14:33:04 | hunger | JasonNJ: File a bug report. |
| 14:34:10 | ljp_ | hmmm |
| 14:35:06 | benmeyer | Cool I have added SSH to the server config |
| 14:35:17 | benmeyer | server manager |
| 14:35:27 | benmeyer | Only works for ssh1 right now |
| 14:35:31 | hunger | benmeyer: Nice! |
| 14:35:42 | hunger | benmeyer: Why only ssh1? |
| 14:36:09 | benmeyer | I don't know where ssh-keygen is installed for the 3.1 |
| 14:36:16 | benmeyer | :0) |
| 14:36:25 | benmeyer | once someone tells me I will add it to the app |
| 14:36:30 | benmeyer | then 3.1 will work |
| 14:36:50 | hunger | benmeyer: /usr/bin for me. But then I did not use the install script. |
| 14:36:57 | benmeyer | what did you use? |
| 14:37:05 | ljp_ | I installed it manually also |
| 14:37:15 | benmeyer | hunger: can you man me an ipk of your manual install? |
| 14:37:25 | ljp_ | he may have put it in /usr/local/bin |
| 14:37:35 | hunger | benmeyer: A tar.gz from one of the zaurus SF-projects. |
| 14:37:42 | ljp_ | hich is not in PATH |
| 14:37:52 | hunger | benmeyer: The one with the douzends of files:-) |
| 14:38:19 | benmeyer | douzends files? |
| 14:38:21 | JasonNJ | whats the syntax in WGET to grab a whole directory and its files? |
| 14:38:25 | ljp_ | ben: just rename the ipk to tar.gz |
| 14:38:26 | JasonNJ | I need to grab the OZ feed |
| 14:39:29 | benmeyer | ok so if I rename the tar.gz to an ipk it will work? |
| 14:39:42 | Austin | Jason: -r toggles recursive. |
| 14:39:47 | Austin | BRB. |
| 14:40:55 | hunger | benmeyer: I'm trying to add ssh to OZ. |
| 14:41:04 | ljp_ | beh: no, then you can use tar and gunzip to extract them and manually install the files in the data.tar.gz |
| 14:41:11 | hunger | benmeyer: Then ssh-keygen will go into /usr/bin, config into /etc/ssh. |
| 14:41:46 | benmeyer | in /usr/bin and not /usr/local/bin? |
| 14:42:06 | benmeyer | When you have an ipk send it my way meyerb@sharpsec.com |
| 14:42:11 | JasonNJ | usb networking isnt functioning in OZ yet |
| 14:42:16 | ljp_ | ya. /usr/local/bin is not in the default $PATH |
| 14:42:27 | benmeyer | for the z it is |
| 14:42:46 | hunger | JasonNJ: It is supposed to work with beta4 |
| 14:42:47 | ljp_ | OZ will sync.. |
| 14:43:12 | hunger | benmeyer: It will take awhile, I'm still trying to understand how the whole thing actually works. |
| 14:43:22 | ljp_ | Jason: go to security and set the IP range |
| 14:45:14 | benmeyer | ok, just let me know if you stop working on it so I can finish it |
| 14:45:22 | JasonNJ | ljp it is set to ANY |
| 14:45:29 | ljp_ | oh |
| 14:45:32 | JasonNJ | but there is no usb address config in the networking applet |
| 14:45:35 | benmeyer | Fixed openssh1.3 in the feed, will be in the zz feed monday |
| 14:46:14 | ljp_ | there's a bug report that network setting app doesn't work. |
| 14:47:55 | hunger | JasonNJ: The networking applet does not work with OZ yet afaik. |
| 14:50:40 | hunger | Hi kergoth! |
| 14:51:00 | kergoth | hunger: fyi. linux-new.mk should NOT have a Revision set. |
| 14:51:03 | hunger | kergoth: Some more bugreports are waiting for you. This time some of them even come with patches attached. |
| 14:51:06 | kergoth | hunger: please read the code prior to submitting bugs |
| 14:51:35 | kergoth | linux-new calls itself recursively, generating 5 seperate kernels, with independent revisions for each. |
| 14:53:14 | weimer | is away: I'm busy |
| 14:53:28 | weimer | is back (gone 00:00:01) |
| 14:53:41 | kergoth | fyi: |
| 14:53:42 | kergoth | ~/buildroot-oz$ echo `cstatus | cut -d" " -f2` |
| 14:53:42 | kergoth | busybox.mk ipkg-x86.mk ipkg.mk jffs2image.mk libc6.mk linux-new.mk mtd.mk openzaurus.mk pcmcia-cs.mk method |
| 14:53:53 | kergoth | all those are locally modified. not yet committed. |
| 14:55:14 | Austin | returns. |
| 14:56:19 | hunger | kergoth: Is it safe to install my 40-24 zImage? |
| 14:56:35 | kergoth | in theory. how did you build it? |
| 14:56:42 | hunger | kergoth: s/safe/as safe as flashing one of yours/ :-) |
| 14:57:22 | hunger | kergoth: I generated a new config with 40M in the commandline and a mtdram size of 24*1024. |
| 14:57:35 | kergoth | did you change the memory adddress of the mtdram? |
| 14:58:03 | kergoth | mtdram is placed at the end of the memory range.. so when you increase mem=, you must slide the mtdram block farther down the memory area by that increase |
| 14:59:23 | hunger | kergoth: Is that MTDRAM_ABS_POS ? |
| 14:59:30 | kergoth | iirc, yes |
| 14:59:34 | hunger | I have not changed that:-( |
| 15:00:10 | kergoth | e.g in moving from mem=32 to mem=40, youd have to increase that by 8 megs.. otherwise linux will think he can use memory he cant.. the mtdram could inadvertantly be stomped on by the kernel |
| 15:00:32 | hunger | kergoth: I understand. |
| 15:00:42 | hunger | kergoth: Good that I asked before I flashed:-) |
| 15:01:01 | kergoth | hehe |
| 15:01:07 | kergoth | you couldve seen some... interesting behavior |
| 15:01:21 | kergoth | fyi i'm checking in all my various changes buildsystem wide atm |
| 15:04:07 | hunger | kergoth: You said something about that address iirc. I guess that I had missed something. |
| 15:04:35 | kergoth | np |
| 15:04:46 | kergoth | "/lib/mopdules/... belongs into the kernel-modules ipk. " <-i question that. It actually belongs in a seperate package |
| 15:04:56 | kergoth | thats the sharp binary sd/mmc module from the sharp roms. |
| 15:05:02 | kergoth | for which we have no source |
| 15:05:29 | hunger | Ah, OK. |
| 15:06:08 | kergoth | but most of that bug report is valid.. I'll go through and fix them. I'm glad you noticed that stuff, because i hadnt had time to go through it all :-) |
| 15:07:37 | hunger | kergoth: good. |
| 15:08:55 | hunger | kergoth: I still have a somewhat limmited understanding of OZ. I'm working on that. |
| 15:09:50 | kergoth | not a problem... with your limited understanding you still managed to find and fix bugs in the system ;-) |
| 15:10:23 | kergoth | hmm I have an idea.. |
| 15:11:12 | ljp_ | ya, I only find them |
| 15:11:20 | kergoth | ljp_: hehe |
| 15:11:49 | ljp_ | we're looking at adding mp3 streaming to opieplayer |
| 15:11:51 | kergoth | hunger: basically, the problem with libc6 depending on linux results from the fact that BuildDepends arent fully i ndependent from Depends atm |
| 15:12:20 | hunger | kergoth: What do I need to put in CONFIG_MTDRAM_ABS_POS if I want the first 40MB to be used as RAM? |
| 15:12:23 | kergoth | hunger: libc6 really has a BuildDepends on linux.. as it requires that the kernel source is there and available.. but does not depend on 'linux' in the rom itself. |
| 15:12:47 | kergoth | hunger: what was it set to before? are you altering the 32-32? 48-16? |
| 15:12:48 | hunger | kergoth: I think it works with a BuildDepend. |
| 15:13:12 | hunger | kergoth: I'd be good if I had remembered that:-) |
| 15:13:14 | kergoth | hunger: yeah I added BuildDepends support but never really checked to see if it was a proper implementation... |
| 15:13:17 | kergoth | hehe |
| 15:13:30 | kergoth | I'm so tired of this buildsystem |
| 15:13:36 | kergoth | when 3.0 releases it goes out the window |
| 15:13:47 | kergoth | still its useful |
| 15:13:53 | kergoth | but not what i want long term :-) |
| 15:13:54 | bewmIES | heh |
| 15:13:57 | hunger | kergoth: What will you use instead? |
| 15:14:48 | bewmIES | loves rpm |
| 15:15:36 | kergoth | hunger: heavily altered debian source package utilities, which properly support crosscompiling.. Depends vs BuildDepends.. a proper staging area.. it'll use debian source package feeds with alteration to support patch being independent from tar.gz and dsc.. with a cml2 configuration interface for selecting what packages from what feeds to build, and for selecting package type output (rpm/deb/ipk) and whether or not to create a filesystem image |
| 15:16:08 | hunger | Sounds nice. |
| 15:16:14 | hunger | Sounds like a lot of work. |
| 15:16:21 | kergoth | hunger: basically, it'll allow familiar, emdebian, openzaurus, and other related embedded distros to utilitize one anothers improvements to the codebases of each package... |
| 15:16:42 | kergoth | instead of being so fractured |
| 15:17:05 | warmi | hi |
| 15:17:10 | kergoth | hey warmi |
| 15:19:30 | hunger | kergoth: gentoo does build everything itself IIRC. Can't you borrow from there? |
| 15:19:50 | kergoth | hunger: probably will. I plan on taking the best aspects of a number of buildsystems. |
| 15:22:02 | peanut | is going through Z withdraw |
| 15:22:21 | mandrake | what happened to: qtopia.sourceforge.net and www.openzaurus.org this morning? |
| 15:22:35 | treke_ | mandrake : isnt it qpe.sourceforge.net? |
| 15:22:48 | mandrake | oh |
| 15:22:49 | mandrake | hrmm :) |
| 15:22:55 | mandrake | okay well what happened to www.openzaurus.org ? :) |
| 15:22:59 | hunger | kergoth: What do I need to build OPIE? I thought it would be in OZ. |
| 15:23:05 | treke_ | Dunno there. ask kergoth |
| 15:24:16 | peanut | ne1 here have sharpmobile? |
| 15:25:02 | kergoth | hunger: the oz buildsystem doesnt build it by default atm. I do that in a seperate build |
| 15:25:32 | kergoth | mandrake: www.openzaurus.org went down when codemnky's company went down.. he was running it for me. I'll have something up there shortly. Until then openzaurus.sf.net/ is the place to go. heh. |
| 15:25:35 | hunger | kergoth: Well, fine with me:-) I'll install beta4 anyway. |
| 15:25:44 | kergoth | k |
| 15:25:51 | peanut | did codemnky's business go under? |
| 15:26:17 | hunger | kergoth: I'm just interested getting nice iptables and ssh ipks build into OZ:-) |
| 15:26:18 | kergoth | peanut: well they sold to another company and he's consulting on the transition, as i understand it |
| 15:26:23 | peanut | ahh.. |
| 15:26:26 | hunger | kergoth: Add dhcp later... |
| 15:26:31 | kergoth | hunger: heh |
| 15:26:38 | kergoth | hunger: i need to add wlan |
| 15:27:00 | hunger | kergoth: Yes, JasonNJ complained about it being missing earlier. |
| 15:27:13 | mandrake | kergoth: danke |
| 15:27:27 | hunger | kergoth: I hate it when people ruin my statistics... |
| 15:28:04 | hunger | kergoth: I had commited half the bugreports against OZ earlier today:-) |
| 15:28:17 | kergoth | gah. i can only do so much. I'm going to finish making qipkg install to mtdram/sd/cf |
| 15:28:24 | kergoth | then I'll move onto the rest |
| 15:28:31 | hunger | kergoth: How unnecessary... |
| 15:28:44 | kergoth | perhaps on a 5500... |
| 15:28:53 | kergoth | for many developers, its a key missing function |
| 15:29:00 | druiid | kergoth: ahh, just the person I needed to see |
| 15:29:06 | kergoth | druiid: ? |
| 15:29:20 | hunger | kergoth: Well, I have the complete OPIE on SD right now. Installed without a problem (after symlinking /opt/ to somewhere on the SD;-) |
| 15:29:26 | druiid | kergoth: in beta4 is there support for the Linksys card right now? |
| 15:29:45 | kergoth | druiid: for wlan? no. there's no wlan support yet. |
| 15:29:56 | druiid | that's what I suspected. |
| 15:30:15 | kergoth | that'll be next on my todo list after install to mtdram/sd/cf |
| 15:31:06 | druiid | kergoth: well.. now I'm just trying to figure out how I'm going to get a zaurus distrib back on the thing until OZ has support for that.. and a couple other things.. |
| 15:31:59 | treke_ | quick QT Question, if I want to run a QT Application without calling QApplication::exec(), do I need to do anything but QApplication::ProcessEvents regularly? |
| 15:32:35 | peanut | ugh.. is there anyway to list all software on myzaurus.com anymore? |
| 15:35:51 | whardier | hi! |
| 15:36:42 | killefiz_work | hey catalin, what happened to qscite? |
| 15:37:11 | warmi | was it ever available ? |
| 15:37:24 | killefiz_work | no but it was listed on climov.com |
| 15:37:48 | killefiz_work | that gave me a warm feeling that it might become available at some point ;) |
| 15:37:49 | warmi | I only saw screenshots ... I never saw any sort of link to a binary/source |
| 15:38:01 | warmi | yeah .. I know |
| 15:38:01 | killefiz_work | exactly |
| 15:38:19 | warmi | my felling is that he rolled this code into tckEditor |
| 15:38:34 | catalin | it will be back again when xite is ready for public release |
| 15:38:37 | warmi | but I might be wrong |
| 15:38:46 | warmi | oh catalin |
| 15:38:47 | warmi | -) |
| 15:38:59 | catalin | I'm getting flooded with emails asking for availability |
| 15:39:20 | warmi | well, if you tease people you gonna pay the price |
| 15:39:21 | catalin | so I decided to take down the projects that are not ready for release yet |
| 15:39:21 | warmi | hehe |
| 15:39:22 | killefiz_work | so you're about to remove qpose and qmame from the page also? |
| 15:39:42 | catalin | no, qmame is in opie's cvs for a couple of weeks now |
| 15:39:49 | catalin | and qpose is my current target |
| 15:40:01 | killefiz_work | cool, is qmame in a working state? |
| 15:40:21 | catalin | all the apps on my site are in working state |
| 15:40:33 | catalin | I don't publish vapourware :) |
| 15:40:38 | killefiz_work | aehm ... well does it compile and run if i compile it myself? |
| 15:41:00 | catalin | it should |
| 15:41:14 | catalin | but YMMV |
| 15:41:26 | killefiz_work | great - i'll try it out later today |
| 15:41:42 | catalin | be my guest. the qmame binary is 13 megs :) |
| 15:42:00 | warmi | you kidding ? |
| 15:42:08 | catalin | nope |
| 15:42:14 | druiid | is on the phone with zaurus support trying to get them to give him a flash image for the 5500 |
| 15:42:18 | warmi | then there is no point running this stuff on the Zaurus |
| 15:42:20 | warmi | hehe |
| 15:42:36 | warmi | I mean, one would have to get rid of all his software just to fit Qmame |
| 15:42:43 | druiid | catalin: doesn't suprise me.. you compile support for all the games the normal mame supports? |
| 15:42:51 | catalin | warmi: it can be trimmed down by removing unnecessary stuff. feel free to send me patches :) |
| 15:43:01 | catalin | druiid: yes |
| 15:43:11 | benmeyer | druiid: what image do you want? |
| 15:43:44 | killefiz_work | doesn't matter much to me - as long as as it runs on my 5500 |
| 15:44:11 | druiid | benmeyer: the flash/rom image that contains the standard sharp 5500 distrib. |
| 15:44:32 | ljp_ | opies libmad just got updated |
| 15:45:03 | ljp_ | about 3- 5% less cpu |
| 15:45:12 | scanline | is back (gone 09:51:56) |
| 15:45:15 | warmi | ljp_studio: was libmad modified to include 16 ooutput ? |
| 15:45:31 | ljp_ | 16 output? |
| 15:45:33 | killefiz_work | can i compile opie stuff from cvs and run the binaries on my sharp rom? |
| 15:45:36 | warmi | 16 bigt |
| 15:45:38 | warmi | 16 bit |
| 15:46:03 | scanline | is away: more circuits |
| 15:46:07 | ljp_ | kill: yes. some stuff needs libopie, and some you won't want.. |
| 15:46:11 | warmi | I know catalin was complaining that default build used 24 bit output which sounded "metalic" on the Zaurus |
| 15:46:29 | mandrake | hrmm |
| 15:46:39 | druiid | mother f... they don't have one they can give me. Now I'm trying to get them to give me an exchange. |
| 15:46:50 | catalin | warmi: that was because my 24-16 bit conversion code was too simplistic |
| 15:46:51 | mandrake | is there anything special I have to do to my ipkg to make it installable by clicking on it in the documents menu? |
| 15:46:58 | mandrake | for some reason it doesn't work there but works fine from commandline |
| 15:47:12 | warmi | I know ... that's why I am wondering if they fixed that in their release |
| 15:47:25 | ljp_ | bbl |
| 15:47:38 | catalin | warmi: there's nothing to fix in libmad |
| 15:48:27 | warmi | well, instead of everyone writting their own version of 24-16 converted ... it should be included as a part of libmad |
| 15:48:47 | catalin | I agree on that |
| 15:49:03 | catalin | you could check the madplayer on how to convert, tho |
| 15:50:04 | warmi | yeah, but I was wondering maybe OPIE folks already did that .... :-) |
| 15:54:04 | druiid | well this sucks.. I have to send it back. |
| 15:54:15 | killefiz_work | druiid: the zaurus? |
| 15:54:20 | druiid | yeah. |
| 15:54:31 | kergoth | why? |
| 15:54:52 | druiid | They wouldn't give me a flash image with the Sharp distrib. |
| 15:55:14 | killefiz_work | stay with openzaurus then and wait for an update |
| 15:55:20 | kergoth | ? shit.. didnt back up the mtd device with dd before flashing? |
| 15:55:21 | warmi | woudn't it be possible to somehow "lift" the image from another Z5500 ? |
| 15:55:26 | kergoth | yeah thatd work. wlan is coming soon' |
| 15:55:27 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:55:30 | druiid | kergoth: nope, I was stupid :) |
| 15:55:36 | kergoth | doh |
| 15:56:01 | druiid | well, there is also a burnt pixel on the screen that would be nice to get fixed. |
| 15:56:01 | NeoTron | has anyone actually gotten a backed up image to work? |
| 15:56:19 | kergoth | no idea |
| 15:56:45 | druiid | I don't think so, like I was telling the guy when he kept going "Go to the openzaurus boards".. that no one appears to have gotten a working backup image. |
| 15:57:08 | kergoth | i havent personally talked to anyone who's tried |
| 15:57:08 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:57:34 | killefiz_work | druiid: you could try it as you have to return the device anyway? |
| 15:57:42 | hunger | kergoth: I'm flashing beta4 with my own kernel! |
| 15:57:47 | kergoth | hunger: nice :-) |
| 15:57:49 | hunger | kergoth: Wish me luck;-) |
| 15:58:06 | druiid | well, then I guess the question would be.. what's faster. To get it back from Sharp would be one to two weeks. How long theoretically till OZ has wlan support for the linksys? |
| 15:58:10 | kergoth | hunger: good luck. let me know how it goes. confirm that /proc/meminfo and /proc/mtd are correct |
| 15:58:22 | ljp_ | kergoth: we updated opies libmad, and it has about 5% less cpu usage |
| 15:58:33 | kergoth | druiid: days. I was expecting a final release of OZ by today.. but it'll be a few more days to iron out the kinks |
| 15:58:35 | kergoth | ljp_: nice.. |
| 15:58:47 | ljp_ | we're going to add streaming |
| 15:58:54 | kergoth | that'd be nice. |
| 15:58:55 | druiid | kergoth: in that case, I guess I can wait for now :) |
| 15:59:34 | druiid | kergoth: will it have an interface to set it up like the sharp distrib does, or will the configs have to be modified? |
| 16:00:01 | kergoth | druiid: initially, it'll be manual... since sharp/lineo havent released the code to their wlan config app |
| 16:00:23 | kergoth | druiid: you could always grab the app out of a 5000 romimage file.. hehe |
| 16:00:30 | druiid | kergoth: heh. |
| 16:00:50 | druiid | kergoth: but would you be using the same configs as sharp, would be the question. |
| 16:01:11 | kergoth | druiid: mine will probably be more recent, as I'll be using the latest build of wlan-ng that actually runs |
| 16:01:14 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:02:24 | druiid | kergoth: well, if you need help testing it, I'll be more than happy to try. I basically can't really lose either way.. if I break it more, I'll just return it to sharp.. and if I get it working, great :) |
| 16:02:32 | kergoth | hehe |
| 16:02:52 | kergoth | I'll get something shortly. I'm finishing up the app to allow installing packages to the ramdisk, cf,sd atm |
| 16:02:57 | druiid | cool |
| 16:03:16 | hunger | kergoth: Beta4 is broken for me. |
| 16:03:22 | kergoth | hunger: ? |
| 16:03:24 | druiid | will you have support for SD automouting as well? |
| 16:03:43 | kergoth | druiid: yes, i'll be using the binary sd daemon from the sharp roms, since there's no source for that either |
| 16:03:54 | druiid | cool. |
| 16:04:25 | hunger | kergoth: It comes up with a 'new card, search for files' dialog and then stops. |
| 16:04:27 | druiid | well, then I'd better figure out how to get files onto my CF card, since I can't get the thing to sync with XP right now. |
| 16:04:39 | kergoth | hunger: known brokenness in the mediummountgui cf scan dialog |
| 16:04:43 | druiid | I'll probably have to use my Linux system... |
| 16:04:45 | kergoth | hunger: pop out the cf card, reboot |
| 16:04:56 | kergoth | hunger: then pop it in after opie as started. works fine after that |
| 16:04:58 | kergoth | hunger: heh |
| 16:05:10 | Pallus | anyone tried a 802.11a cf card yet? |
| 16:05:15 | hunger | kergoth: Yes, I noticed. Sucks anyway. |
| 16:05:38 | kergoth | yes it does |
| 16:05:42 | kergoth | Pallus: many people |
| 16:05:59 | druiid | I think you mean 802.11b... :) |
| 16:06:18 | Pallus | no 802.11a is the successor to 802.11b, 45Mbps |
| 16:06:23 | kergoth | ah |
| 16:06:24 | kergoth | yeah |
| 16:06:25 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:06:36 | druiid | afaik there are no 802.11a CF cards. |
| 16:06:39 | hunger | kergoth: I checked /proc/meminfo and /proc/mtd. |
| 16:06:55 | hunger | kergoth: What did I check them for? |
| 16:07:00 | druiid | there are few 802.11a PCI cards right now. |
| 16:07:03 | Pallus | amazon sells a dlink cf 802.11a card for $149 |
| 16:07:06 | kergoth | hunger: just to confirm the mtd size and ram size were proper ;-) |
| 16:07:21 | druiid | That's surprising. By who? |
| 16:07:25 | benmeyer | Anyone know of samba ipk? |
| 16:07:26 | druiid | err.. nevermind :) |
| 16:08:20 | druiid | pallus: I doubt there's linux kernel support for whatever chipset it uses. |
| 16:08:42 | hunger | kergoth: mtdram is 24MB, memory a bit below 40, so it should be fine. |
| 16:08:46 | kergoth | great |
| 16:09:09 | kergoth | think enough people will want that balance to build one of those for releases? |
| 16:09:22 | finkployd | is there a driver for the bluetooth SD card? |
| 16:09:52 | druiid | finkployd: not yet. |
| 16:11:58 | hunger | kergoth: Ask me that again tomorrow:-) |
| 16:12:28 | kergoth | hehe |
| 16:12:31 | kergoth | k |
| 16:12:41 | hunger | kergoth: A complete OPIE install is about 18MB for me. So right now I consider 24MB a resonable ammount of memory to put it. |
| 16:14:39 | druiid | goes off to play dungeon siege.. hopes wlan support comes soon. |
| 16:17:30 | hunger | kergoth: /etc/rc6.d contains a link K11cron which is a link to ../init.d/cron which does not exist. |
| 16:17:48 | kergoth | yep i know |
| 16:17:53 | kergoth | thanks for the reminder tho |
| 16:25:02 | [professor_x] | hey were can I find the quake port for the zauruas |
| 16:25:08 | [professor_x] | zaurus |
| 16:26:48 | MrX | http://www.zauruszone.com/feed |
| 16:27:17 | hunger | kergoth: Is there a texteditor besides vi? |
| 16:27:29 | hunger | kergoth: vi crashes as soon as I try to move the cursor. |
| 16:27:53 | curd | catalin: Is there any way to get what's available for qpose? I don't care if it's not fully functional. "Proof of concept" is good enough (trying to get several people to buy Z's and palm compatability will probably make it a no-brainer) |
| 16:28:28 | ljp_ | hunger: guess you'll have to install microemacs |
| 16:28:32 | ljp_ | :D |
| 16:28:51 | ljp_ | ducks |
| 16:28:57 | hunger | ljp_: That's kind of hard. I need vi to setup my networking. |
| 16:29:05 | kergoth | hunger: yeah theres something wrong with the busybox build. havent had time to research |
| 16:29:08 | catalin | curd: nope. I'm soryy |
| 16:29:09 | kergoth | hunger: use opie-textedit |
| 16:29:11 | hunger | ljp_: No need to duck. I love emacs. |
| 16:29:35 | curd | catalin: any idea when it might be available? |
| 16:29:39 | ljp_ | ohh.. emacs works.. just need to add symlinks for libtermcap |
| 16:29:58 | catalin | curd: a couple of months |
| 16:30:51 | [professor_x] | MrX download both |
| 16:31:00 | ljp_ | I made an ipkg of my essential utilities- emacs, lxt, update,locate |
| 16:31:09 | hunger | kergoth: Oh, you included qpdf? Nice! |
| 16:31:42 | curd | OK. Thanks. [I'll try to delay them from buying new Palms in the meantime :-)] |
| 16:33:04 | [professor_x] | where do I get the rom update for 5500 |
| 16:33:55 | MrX | professor_x: the german ? |
| 16:34:00 | [professor_x] | us |
| 16:34:12 | kergoth | [professor_x]: what rom update? there arent any for the 5500 yet |
| 16:34:17 | [professor_x] | oh ok |
| 16:34:33 | [professor_x] | I dunno just asking just bought zaurus yesterday |
| 16:34:38 | kergoth | ah.. cool |
| 16:35:21 | [professor_x] | is zauruszone best site for this |
| 16:35:33 | [professor_x] | cause myzaurus.com sucks |
| 16:35:40 | bewmIES | Does the Z still go crazy when you hold down the R key? :) |
| 16:36:02 | benmeyer | emacs is not essential! |
| 16:36:05 | benmeyer | is it an os! |
| 16:36:19 | benmeyer | ed is essential! |
| 16:36:20 | benmeyer | haha |
| 16:36:53 | [professor_x] | error on quake |
| 16:37:01 | [professor_x] | cant load gfx.wad |
| 16:37:13 | BigBoss | benmeyer: you know your mp3 file with trouble? |
| 16:37:24 | BigBoss | change the extension from mp3 to exe and run it |
| 16:37:29 | BigBoss | it's a self extracting zip file |
| 16:37:34 | BigBoss | the quality goes way up afterwards |
| 16:37:48 | finkployd | haha |
| 16:38:20 | ljp_ | ben: microemacs is not the 'OS' that emacs is.. its very tiny, editor only |
| 16:38:29 | benmeyer | Cool, what was the quality of the mp3? |
| 16:38:34 | [professor_x] | where do I get gfx.wad |
| 16:38:43 | catalin | emacs: Escape Meta Alt Control Shift :) |
| 16:39:11 | benmeyer | progessor_x where did you get Quake? |
| 16:39:19 | warmi | professor: isn't gfx.wad part of Quake commercial distribution ? |
| 16:39:37 | [professor_x] | zauruszone |
| 16:39:43 | benmeyer | the feed? |
| 16:39:44 | benmeyer | ok |
| 16:39:47 | [professor_x] | its asking for iy |
| 16:39:48 | [professor_x] | it |
| 16:40:06 | benmeyer | http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=78 |
| 16:40:09 | benmeyer | there is info |
| 16:40:13 | hunger | kergoth: OPIE segfaults when shutting it down. |
| 16:40:15 | benmeyer | Anyone know of a user manager? |
| 16:40:20 | benmeyer | i.e. add/remove users? |
| 16:40:24 | hunger | kergoth: Absolutly ruins the console for me. |
| 16:40:46 | kergoth | hunger: yes, i know. already reported on the opie mailing list.. its something with the installed inputmethods |
| 16:40:47 | ljp_ | ben: adduser ?? |
| 16:41:22 | benmeyer | non colsole please |
| 16:41:40 | [professor_x] | gotta run late to class |
| 16:42:29 | ljp_ | ben: on the Z? The Z is supposed to be one user |
| 16:43:00 | benmeyer | yah, root |
| 16:43:00 | benmeyer | haha |
| 16:43:22 | benmeyer | samba requires you add usrs |
| 16:44:12 | benmeyer | Actually I havn't gotten samba to actually work yet |
| 16:44:47 | kergoth | ? |
| 16:44:53 | kergoth | i had it working fine at one point.. |
| 16:45:00 | kergoth | havent messed with it since |
| 16:45:59 | ljp_ | I've seen samba in a bar once... |
| 16:48:29 | benmeyer | kergoth: do you remember any of the steps? |
| 16:48:37 | benmeyer | or did you just install the familiar package? |
| 16:51:23 | kergoth | benmeyer: didnt use the familiar package.. |
| 16:51:34 | kergoth | benmeyer: you trying to set up a samba server, or client? |
| 16:58:24 | hunger | kergoth: Cool! now mtdram behaves as it should! |
| 16:58:30 | kergoth | nice. |
| 16:58:53 | hunger | kergoth: You should stop stuffing OPIE-things into the ROM though:-) |
| 16:59:05 | kergoth | ? |
| 16:59:18 | kergoth | no, some people may not want a mtdram at all |
| 16:59:20 | hunger | kergoth: I have to move it around after each flash, that's getting tiresome. |
| 16:59:26 | kergoth | well wait for ipkg-dmove them |
| 16:59:28 | kergoth | s/them/then/ |
| 16:59:36 | kergoth | ipkg-dmove just moves a package from one 'dest' to another |
| 16:59:37 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:59:41 | kergoth | retaining links |
| 17:00:05 | hunger | kergoth: I mount everything onto some mountpoint in /mnt. |
| 17:00:17 | hunger | kergoth: So I have /mnt/ram |
| 17:00:51 | hunger | kergoth: Then I have usr/, opt/, home/ below each of those mountpoints. |
| 17:01:03 | kergoth | and.../ |
| 17:01:06 | kergoth | what about it? |
| 17:01:17 | kergoth | so each mountpoint is an alternate root. |
| 17:01:20 | hunger | kergoth: So all I need to so is link /opt to /mnt/card/opt to stuff all the files there. |
| 17:01:24 | kergoth | ipkg handles that implicitly |
| 17:01:48 | hunger | kergoth: Well, yes. But it doesen't right now, does it? |
| 17:02:04 | kergoth | yes it does.. ilt just doesnt create links for you |
| 17:02:16 | kergoth | e.g. ipkg -d /mnt/card install blah |
| 17:02:20 | hunger | kergoth: And I don't like to be able to just change a lionk and run everything from a difffrent medium. |
| 17:02:24 | kergoth | installs into the standard paths, but under /mnt/card |
| 17:03:11 | hunger | kergoth: Sounds like magic to me. I don't trust that ;-) |
| 17:03:33 | kergoth | heh. it just puts a seperate ipkg database on the card itself. |
| 17:03:36 | kergoth | :-) |
| 17:04:44 | hunger | kergoth: Anyway: IMHO you should provide a nice set of ipks, a sound foundation to install them onto and some scripts to install common tasks in one go. I don't like this one size fits all approach you are doing now. |
| 17:05:07 | kergoth | ? |
| 17:05:18 | kergoth | I'm not doing this familiar style |
| 17:05:30 | kergoth | I want this to be useful for the average user as well |
| 17:05:53 | kergoth | i'll just add qipkg support to move a package from one medium to another. then you can just move the preinstalled opie onto sd |
| 17:05:54 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:06:18 | hunger | ARG! Stupid thing! |
| 17:06:43 | hunger | kergoth: Well, it's your distibution. |
| 17:07:12 | kergoth | I'll just create a second initrd which is more minimal |
| 17:07:31 | kergoth | for those who want to load things on themselves.. e.g. opie, picogui, x |
| 17:07:38 | hunger | Why does it ask wether I want to open a desktop file or the file it points to when I want to edit something but deletes *both* when I click on delete it? |
| 17:07:52 | hunger | accidentally deleted sshd_conf and resolve.cofn. |
| 17:08:16 | kergoth | when you click on delete it from where? textedit? |
| 17:08:28 | hunger | kergoth: The Documents folder. |
| 17:08:32 | ljp_ | file properties |
| 17:08:43 | hunger | kergoth: files you editied show up there:-( |
| 17:08:47 | kergoth | err.. click on delete icon instead of delete if you want to remove its entry in documents |
| 17:10:22 | hunger | kergoth: I HATE GUI'S! |
| 17:10:30 | kergoth | i noticed |
| 17:10:30 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:10:34 | kergoth | terminate opie then :-P |
| 17:10:53 | kergoth | and edit with ed |
| 17:10:54 | kergoth | or cat |
| 17:10:56 | kergoth | :-P |
| 17:11:01 | hunger | kergoth: I put it into mtdram... that's slower then deleting it right out. |
| 17:11:07 | hunger | wants to see it suffer! |
| 17:11:34 | ljp_ | sed |
| 17:12:00 | hunger | kergoth: The vi segfault is extremly annoying... more then anything else I experienced with the Z yet. |
| 17:12:22 | ljp_ | hmm.. funny. I didn't notice it until kergoth pointed it out to me.. hehehehehe |
| 17:12:45 | ljp_ | but I can see where it would be |
| 17:13:52 | kergoth | hunger: mind running a gdb backtrace for me? |
| 17:14:01 | kergoth | i should build a libc6 package with debugging symbols for development |
| 17:14:02 | hunger | kergoth: I do. |
| 17:14:19 | hunger | kergoth: Just deleted resolve.conf and sshd. |
| 17:14:43 | kergoth | ? |
| 17:15:01 | hunger | kergoth: I need those to get files onto the Z. |
| 17:15:38 | kergoth | echo nameserver blah >/etc/resolv.conf && wget http://path/to/files/we/need |
| 17:15:40 | kergoth | heh ;-) |
| 17:16:04 | hunger | kergoth: yes, fixing resolve.conf is easy:-) |
| 17:16:15 | hunger | kergoth: You are right... I'm dumb. |
| 17:22:40 | hunger | How do I install stuff using the OPIE package manager? |
| 17:23:24 | Neo|Work | w00t |
| 17:24:47 | hunger | I get a blue ball in front of ipks I have installed and a red-stripish-thingy for those that are available in a feed. |
| 17:25:06 | Neo|Work | uname -a |
| 17:25:06 | Neo|Work | sn9513 curie 10.0.0.3 roo.1 CRAY J90 |
| 17:25:31 | hunger | Now how do I turn red stripes into blue balls? Doupletapping stripes gives me a dialog asking wether I want to install it. What then? |
| 17:35:43 | mark | hi all |
| 17:39:53 | kergoth | hunger: hit yes? or click the ? button .. it'll pop up a dialog .. then you click install |
| 17:39:59 | kergoth | hunger: the interface is in dire need of a redesign |
| 17:40:00 | kergoth | hey mark |
| 17:41:08 | Neo|Work | mark: howdy |
| 17:42:40 | hunger | kergoth: I think I messed up my network setup again:-( |
| 17:42:44 | mark | hi Neo|Work, kergoth |
| 17:42:54 | mark | hunger: did you manage to get ur Z seeing the rest of the world? |
| 17:42:56 | Neo|Work | checking host system type... j90-cray-unicos10.0.0.3 |
| 17:42:56 | Neo|Work | checking target system type... j90-cray-unicos10.0.0.3 |
| 17:43:04 | mark | :) |
| 17:43:04 | Neo|Work | will be interesting to see if SDL compiles. :P |
| 17:43:25 | hunger | kergoth: That's propably causing the trouble with qipkg. It does not complain about anything being wrong though. |
| 17:43:39 | hunger | mark: Days ago;-) |
| 17:43:54 | hunger | mark: But yes, it is up und running for a change:-) |
| 17:43:57 | mark | hunger: what did you do? i couldn't get it to work |
| 17:44:20 | hunger | mark: The usual... |
| 17:44:24 | mark | hmmm |
| 17:45:01 | hunger | mark: ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.130 netmask 255.255.255.0 broadcast 192.168.1.255 ; route add gateway default 192.168.1.1 eth0 |
| 17:45:15 | Neo|Work | configure: error: Unsupported target: Please add to configure.in |
| 17:45:16 | Neo|Work | doh. :) |
| 17:46:29 | mark | hunger: i use ppp to connect to the net hehe :). |
| 17:46:32 | mark | shall try again |
| 17:47:59 | scanline | is away: class |
| 17:48:03 | mark | hmm, the email light on my Z is flashing. meaning? |
| 17:48:08 | mark | OZ3 |
| 17:50:49 | finkployd | mark: Good lord, you activated the self destruct, RUN YOU FOOL!!!! |
| 17:50:52 | finkployd | :) |
| 17:50:59 | mark | finkployd: heh |
| 17:51:03 | finkployd | Sorry, I don't know. That would have been pretty cool though |
| 17:51:07 | hunger | qipkg is broken for me:-( |
| 17:51:29 | hunger | Does not install anything and does not restart OPIE on a removal of ipks either. |
| 17:54:02 | treke_ | hunger : You ising the c ipkg? |
| 17:54:15 | treke_ | hunger : its known to be broken with that |
| 17:54:35 | hunger | treke_: No idea what it's called. |
| 17:57:10 | benmeyer | tummy full. life good. |
| 17:58:42 | kergoth | hunger: seems to work just fine here.. |
| 17:58:48 | kergoth | mark: corrupt file |
| 17:58:59 | kergoth | marK: that happens to me when i flash with an initrd full of 0xffs |
| 17:59:00 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:59:07 | mark | hmm |
| 17:59:08 | mark | :( |
| 17:59:16 | mark | oh, also i get 'check backup battery' |
| 18:00:19 | hunger | kergoth: I cannot install anything from the feed. |
| 18:00:54 | hunger | kergoth: Maybe I'm doing things wrong... but then its of course the UI that's screwed up. |
| 18:03:11 | benmeyer | kergoth: wher is the opie-ssh package? |
| 18:05:04 | mark | i dont like myzaurus.com's new software layout |
| 18:05:35 | hunger | kergoth: Ah! I needed to update (which is something I couldn't do with the GUI version) |
| 18:05:58 | benmeyer | mark: compared to the old flat listing? |
| 18:06:32 | JasonNJ | kergoth: wireless config is missing from the initrd |
| 18:06:50 | mark | benmeyer: yeh. everything just gets showed up multiple times now |
| 18:09:35 | hunger | killefiz: Is there a feed on your site where I can get all the free apps listed there? |
| 18:12:11 | benmeyer | hunger: most of them are in zz |
| 18:12:31 | benmeyer | in the zauruszone.com/feed |
| 18:12:34 | | hunger: sorry... |
| 18:12:34 | hunger | ibot: zz |
| 18:12:38 | benmeyer | I try to copy them all over |
| 18:15:22 | benmeyer | killfiz you could actually state that somewhere on your page |
| 18:15:39 | benmeyer | "most of the software is on the zz feed, click here for instructions" |
| 18:17:06 | hunger | kergoth: opie-nethack conflicts with some files from qpe-pics. |
| 18:22:58 | benmeyer | Do I have to do anything special to get Boa up and running? |
| 18:23:06 | benmeyer | inetd.conf perhaps? |
| 18:23:10 | benmeyer | or start a server |
| 18:23:13 | kergoth | hunger: gah.. damn people not following policy |
| 18:25:02 | benmeyer | Has anyone ported TUX? |
| 18:25:08 | benmeyer | or is that ix86? |
| 18:26:35 | Neo|Work | I still don't get why you want a webserver on a Zaurus |
| 18:26:42 | kergoth | heh. it has its uses |
| 18:27:33 | kergoth | anyone good at documentation want to do a quick howto on oz3 for me? |
| 18:27:37 | hunger | Damit! Why is konqueror-embedded only so stupid! |
| 18:27:46 | BigBoss | use tkcDocBuilder :) |
| 18:27:54 | hunger | Why can't it just download files it does not understand? |
| 18:27:56 | BigBoss | just kidding :) |
| 18:28:15 | mark | hunger: ask tronical to fix it up |
| 18:28:39 | Gepeto | Hey hey! |
| 18:28:43 | Gepeto | I finallllly got my Z :) |
| 18:29:07 | kergoth | Gepeto: nice.. what do ya think |
| 18:29:17 | Gepeto | Much smaller than I thought! |
| 18:29:23 | Gepeto | and my plastic stylus is crappy :) |
| 18:29:28 | Gepeto | The screen is cool! |
| 18:29:34 | Gepeto | And well I just opened the box |
| 18:29:37 | Gepeto | so I havent tried anything :) |
| 18:29:43 | Gepeto | just checked if it booted hehe |
| 18:30:16 | kergoth | yeah the stylus blows. i went and bought a nice cross one, myself |
| 18:30:50 | Gepeto | that's what I'll have to do |
| 18:31:05 | mark | kergoth: from where? |
| 18:31:55 | kergoth | mark: computer store.. wasnt designed for the Z, it sticks above the stylus holder by about half a centimeter |
| 18:32:02 | mark | kergoth: ah right |
| 18:32:10 | mark | kergoth: kdeless kvim btw http://80.1.34.123/snapshot4.png |
| 18:32:10 | kergoth | works well though |
| 18:32:33 | kergoth | nice :-) |
| 18:32:39 | mark | hehehe |
| 18:32:43 | mark | you looked at it? :P |
| 18:32:49 | kergoth | yeah |
| 18:32:54 | kergoth | progress, anyway :-P |
| 18:33:05 | fusion94 | is away: cafe |
| 18:33:26 | mark | kergoth: heh. and i dont know what the hell the problem is |
| 18:33:37 | kergoth | that sucks |
| 18:33:48 | kergoth | I should stop slackin and finish the ipkg install to mtdram/sd/cf shit |
| 18:33:52 | Gepeto | ok sooo |
| 18:33:53 | mark | and i dont have a working gdb :( |
| 18:33:57 | Gepeto | compiles kernel |
| 18:34:16 | mark | kergoth: heeh |
| 18:37:01 | benmeyer | Gepeto: the plastic style is really nice for the fat wireless cards so you can bend them |
| 18:37:13 | Gepeto | it's too short! |
| 18:37:19 | Gepeto | I'm used to my IIIc's stylus :) |
| 18:37:43 | benmeyer | The metal one is nice |
| 18:38:00 | benmeyer | How do I turn on boa after I have installed it? |
| 18:38:30 | finkployd | benmeyer: Be carefull, I have already broken the plastic part that gets strained against when you force a stylus in and out of the socket with a linksys card in :( |
| 18:39:04 | benmeyer | really? |
| 18:39:15 | benmeyer | I have been doing it for about a month now and it seems ok |
| 18:41:05 | benmeyer | the reason I want a webser on my z is so that I can manage all my mp3s from anywhere and have my z pipe audio from mp3's to my stereo with a kick ass led display |
| 18:41:18 | finkployd | Yeah, the weak spot is the plastic near the screw |
| 18:42:52 | benmeyer | oh just on the z you mean |
| 18:42:53 | benmeyer | ? |
| 18:43:09 | benmeyer | hay yah I guess I chipped mine too |
| 18:43:16 | benmeyer | never noticed it before |
| 18:45:23 | mark | benmeyer: the plastic screen protector is very liable to comming off too |
| 18:48:25 | benmeyer | screen pro..tect..or? :-D |
| 18:49:49 | benmeyer | hmmm... can't seem to start boa |
| 18:49:50 | mark | :) |
| 18:52:27 | benmeyer | gethostbyname:: No such file or directory |
| 18:54:21 | isol8 | lo |
| 18:56:02 | mandrake | okay folks |
| 18:56:16 | mandrake | is there something special you had to do to your ipkg to get it to install by clicking on it from the documents tab? |
| 18:56:25 | mandrake | because mine doesn't want to work that way? |
| 18:56:32 | mandrake | it works from the commandline however. |
| 18:57:01 | benmeyer | welcome to the default ipk manger hell |
| 18:57:02 | benmeyer | :) |
| 18:57:03 | benmeyer | haha |
| 18:57:05 | benmeyer | j/k |
| 18:57:10 | benmeyer | kinda |
| 18:57:56 | mandrake | well, the opie terminal ipkg works that way |
| 18:58:00 | mandrake | I want mine to be installable too |
| 18:59:38 | ljp_ | mandrake: make sure the control file is exctly correct |
| 18:59:44 | benmeyer | hmm... Need to make a new boa tool |
| 18:59:48 | benmeyer | ipk I mean |
| 19:00:01 | benmeyer | gethostbyname is no longer installed in the default rom |
| 19:00:06 | benmeyer | so I need to change /etc |
| 19:00:11 | mandrake | ljp_: it doesn't show up in the list of available packages to install when I just run the installer either |
| 19:00:17 | mandrake | it installs from the commandline |
| 19:00:37 | mandrake | and it shows up as a package to be removed (and is removed properly) when I go to 'remove packages' |
| 19:00:55 | mandrake | my control file is adequate |
| 19:01:12 | ljp_ | do you use ipkg-build? |
| 19:01:17 | benmeyer | yup |
| 19:01:21 | mandrake | no |
| 19:01:23 | mandrake | I built it all by hand |
| 19:01:24 | benmeyer | mkipk == evil! |
| 19:01:32 | benmeyer | with ed and tail! |
| 19:01:33 | mandrake | they're freakin' embedded tarballs |
| 19:01:43 | ljp_ | use ipkg-build, it'll tell you if theres errors |
| 19:01:53 | Neo|Work | benmeyer: and why is that? it works perfectly fine for all my cases |
| 19:01:56 | mandrake | it installs fine with ipkg though |
| 19:02:06 | kergoth`lunch | mkipks is a horrid hack |
| 19:02:06 | benmeyer | boa? |
| 19:02:08 | mandrake | ipkg install <packagename> unpacks, installs properly. |
| 19:02:17 | benmeyer | Neo|Work why do I have to modify boa? |
| 19:02:23 | mandrake | it's just the GUI package manager that flips out |
| 19:02:30 | Neo|Work | why is mkipkg evil |
| 19:02:39 | Neo|Work | as I said, I never had it fail on me |
| 19:02:40 | mandrake | is it because the package is 18 megs? |
| 19:02:48 | mandrake | it installs to and from a cf card |
| 19:02:51 | kergoth | mandrake: use ipkg-build. i've never seen a manually buid package work properly in all cases |
| 19:02:52 | Neo|Work | mandrake: do you have 18 MB free in /tmp/ ? |
| 19:02:53 | treke_ | mandrake : Are you using familiar or a Z? |
| 19:02:55 | benmeyer | Because is puts in all sorts of stuff that doesn't work and breaks other scripts |
| 19:03:19 | mandrake | Neo|Work: no I don't. |
| 19:03:19 | Neo|Work | qinstall tends to uncompres stuff in /tmp/ and move it all around |
| 19:03:30 | Neo|Work | but it should still manage to get a listing afaik |
| 19:03:38 | kergoth | heh. qinstall sucks. |
| 19:03:47 | kergoth | it should just call out to ipkg for gods sake |
| 19:03:58 | mandrake | oh, it does it by itself? |
| 19:04:03 | mandrake | that explains a lot of things |
| 19:04:12 | mandrake | if it tries to uncompress it indirectly it will fail miserably |
| 19:04:19 | mandrake | because I need 18mb of free space to uncompress |
| 19:04:29 | mandrake | ipkg itself does not require this |
| 19:04:33 | benmeyer | ps aux | grep -- boa | grep -v grep :-D |
| 19:04:35 | Neo|Work | right |
| 19:04:42 | mandrake | treke_: I have 2 ipaqs and 1 Z |
| 19:05:17 | mandrake | is jonmann flipping out or what? |
| 19:05:23 | Neo|Work | qinstall, when installing to cf or sd uncompresses in /tmp/, then moves, then makes symlinks |
| 19:05:25 | Neo|Work | rather lame |
| 19:05:36 | Neo|Work | Olet osoitteesta? |
| 19:05:41 | Jonmann | mandrake, no. My Irssi is just insane. |
| 19:05:45 | kergoth | yeah. symlink creation is fine, but its not efficient |
| 19:05:52 | kergoth | shouldnt move files around |
| 19:06:08 | mandrake | Neo|Work: okay so I should just mention in the documentation that qinstall will not work with my package |
| 19:06:10 | isol8 | anyone get quake working |
| 19:06:18 | mandrake | because my package is dandy |
| 19:06:36 | Jonmann | Yeah, sorry people. I don't know what went into that thing. |
| 19:07:00 | kergoth | mandrake: i wouldnt recommend building packages manually. ipkg-build properly handles symlinking. |
| 19:07:14 | Neo|Work | :P |
| 19:07:33 | isol8 | (s) |
| 19:07:43 | Neo|Work | mandrake: probably, yes. It's rather dumb that it requires internal memory even when installing to cf/sd. :-/ |
| 19:08:15 | mandrake | kergoth: but there's nothing complicated about building packages by hand. |
| 19:21:09 | professorx_ghost | hey whats the webpage again for the workaround to get quake working |
| 19:21:11 | kergoth | mandrake: agreed, but if you put certain symlinks inside your data tarball, it could cause your package not to install to cf/sd.. |
| 19:21:39 | kergoth | hey BZFlag |
| 19:21:54 | professorx_ghost | somebody , anybody :) |
| 19:22:06 | mandrake | kergoth: my ipkg can only be installed on CF |
| 19:22:11 | benmeyer | http://killefiz.de/zaurus/ |
| 19:22:21 | benmeyer | professorx_ghost: did that page work? |
| 19:22:28 | benmeyer | http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=78 |
| 19:22:35 | mandrake | unless you've found some place to pull an extra 18 mb of disk space out of the zaurus :) |
| 19:22:50 | benmeyer | mandrake: what are you installing? |
| 19:22:56 | ljp_ | use virtual disk |
| 19:23:00 | professorx_ghost | yes |
| 19:23:01 | kergoth | mandrake: yes i know. be careful in any assumptions you make regarding where you are in the filesystem. ipkg-build takes every symlink in your directory tree and causes them to be generated in the postinst script using the PKG_ROOT env variable, to ensure that they're created right |
| 19:23:03 | kergoth | lol.. |
| 19:23:05 | professorx_ghost | i found it |
| 19:23:08 | kergoth | mandrake: there's always nfsroot ;-) |
| 19:23:18 | professorx_ghost | hmmm where does quake get installed |
| 19:23:39 | mandrake | benmeyer: my synthesizer. |
| 19:23:44 | benmeyer | havn't actually run it yet |
| 19:23:48 | benmeyer | still using my 500 |
| 19:23:51 | benmeyer | 5000 |
| 19:23:57 | mandrake | I was trying to determine why qinstall wasn't listing my package |
| 19:25:54 | benmeyer | maybe you don't have one of the sections required by it? |
| 19:25:58 | benmeyer | priority? |
| 19:26:01 | benmeyer | section? |
| 19:26:08 | benmeyer | I always forget those two |
| 19:26:12 | mandrake | nup |
| 19:26:31 | benmeyer | requirments? |
| 19:26:40 | benmeyer | not blank requirments? |
| 19:26:41 | mandrake | I used the qpe addressbook from qpe as my base to go from |
| 19:26:49 | benmeyer | hmmm |
| 19:27:07 | mandrake | I assumed that would be a good sample |
| 19:27:26 | mandrake | I don't have a 'requirements' section |
| 19:27:36 | mandrake | but neither does the addressbook |
| 19:27:43 | kergoth | mandrake: whats the exact filename of your package? and does Package: contain any odd characters? |
| 19:28:00 | mandrake | Package: kutabi |
| 19:28:00 | mandrake | Installed-Size: 18250 |
| 19:28:00 | mandrake | Filename: ./kutabi_1.0.0-1_arm.ipk |
| 19:28:00 | mandrake | Version: 1.0.0-1 |
| 19:28:00 | mandrake | Depends: qpe-base (1.4.0) |
| 19:28:01 | mandrake | Priority: optional |
| 19:28:03 | mandrake | Section: cepstral |
| 19:28:05 | mandrake | Maintainer: Geoff 'Mandrake' Harrison <mandrake@cepstral.com> |
| 19:28:07 | mandrake | Architecture: arm |
| 19:28:09 | mandrake | Description: Kutabi Text Reader |
| 19:28:11 | mandrake | A text-to-speech translator for the qpe environment. |
| 19:28:13 | mandrake | Copyright 2002 Cepstral, LLC |
| 19:28:15 | mandrake | http://www.cepstral.com |
| 19:28:21 | mandrake | (sorry for the spam) |
| 19:28:27 | benmeyer | np |
| 19:28:36 | benmeyer | and ipk-build says it is all good? |
| 19:28:45 | kergoth | iirc Filename is only used in package feeds, right? |
| 19:28:49 | kergoth | hmm |
| 19:28:57 | kergoth | that all looks right |
| 19:28:58 | kergoth | weird. |
| 19:29:07 | benmeyer | http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/ipkg-build |
| 19:29:21 | benmeyer | don't put Filename in it |
| 19:29:24 | mandrake | basically I borrowed the one from the qpe addressbook and changed stuff |
| 19:29:27 | benmeyer | in the control |
| 19:29:43 | mandrake | don't put Filename in it? |
| 19:29:46 | benmeyer | Double filenames are a pain |
| 19:29:50 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:29:51 | kergoth | indeed |
| 19:29:52 | benmeyer | yah remove it |
| 19:30:05 | benmeyer | especially that filename |
| 19:30:10 | benmeyer | it will think it is in ./ |
| 19:30:13 | benmeyer | not Documents |
| 19:30:21 | mandrake | why remove it though? the qpe addressbook was set up like that |
| 19:30:33 | benmeyer | qpe was installed not with the qinstall |
| 19:30:34 | benmeyer | :) |
| 19:30:37 | mandrake | well it can be |
| 19:30:46 | benmeyer | ok then I don't know |
| 19:30:47 | mandrake | qinstall on my ipaq installed the addressbook |
| 19:30:49 | kergoth | qinstall makes foolish assumptions from what I can tell. |
| 19:30:52 | benmeyer | but it causes problems and isn't needed |
| 19:30:58 | kergoth | too bad we dont have the source.. |
| 19:31:00 | kergoth | *ahem* |
| 19:31:18 | benmeyer | Yah even *I* wish I had the source... |
| 19:31:23 | benmeyer | still waiting |
| 19:31:44 | finkployd | if you can't get the source, that doesn't leave much hope for us :) |
| 19:31:58 | kergoth | heeh |
| 19:33:04 | jay_ | ok quake is installed and icon dont work how do i find where it is |
| 19:35:28 | JasonNJ | kergoth |
| 19:35:39 | JasonNJ | how come the package installer only sees stuff thats already installed |
| 19:35:49 | JasonNJ | I downloaded the whole feed to my cf card |
| 19:35:53 | JasonNJ | with the Packages files and all |
| 19:36:06 | mandrake | JasonNJ: hehe. |
| 19:36:10 | mandrake | JasonNJ: welcome to my world. |
| 19:36:15 | kergoth | JasonNJ: because it sucks? |
| 19:36:19 | JasonNJ | I pointed the feed to file://mnt/cf |
| 19:36:20 | mandrake | qinstall is a GIANT PIECE OF CRAP |
| 19:36:29 | killefiz_work | I need beta-testers for the nightly zaurus-software mailing - any volunteers? |
| 19:36:29 | kergoth | indeed |
| 19:36:32 | mandrake | JasonNJ: actually, the bad news is that you shouldn't even have to. |
| 19:36:35 | kergoth | qipkg is a bit better, but not by far |
| 19:36:44 | JasonNJ | hell it even LOOKS at the stuff onm file://mnt/cf |
| 19:36:51 | JasonNJ | it sees the regular packages just dandy |
| 19:36:52 | mandrake | JasonNJ: it should just show you the packages if you choose the local packages thing :) |
| 19:36:56 | JasonNJ | but not konqueror, etc |
| 19:37:07 | kergoth | JasonNJ: its flawed, plain and simple |
| 19:37:13 | mandrake | JasonNJ: it's pretty pathetic, but qinstall just is broken. |
| 19:37:24 | mandrake | BROKEN BROKEN BROKEN |
| 19:37:24 | JasonNJ | yeah ben and I came to that conclusion today |
| 19:37:24 | mandrake | :) |
| 19:37:36 | kergoth | JasonNJ: In the process of writing ipkg-link and ipkg-dmove, I'm rewriting the base classes for qipkg. So i'll be rewriting qipkg at some point. |
| 19:37:56 | mandrake | incidentally, removing that 'Filename' line did 0 for me in the way of making qinstall play nice with my package. |
| 19:38:10 | kergoth | ah well, was worth a shot |
| 19:38:19 | JasonNJ | also ipkg install konq* tells me I dont have qpe installed |
| 19:38:42 | kergoth | JasonNJ: yeah that may be a bug in ipkg.. I have Provides: qpe-base in opie-base's control file |
| 19:38:42 | mandrake | JasonNJ: actually that's probably valid, because a lot of the depenancies are broken migrating to the new z |
| 19:39:16 | JasonNJ | but wasnt that konqueror built for opie? |
| 19:39:26 | JasonNJ | mandrake: we're talking about OZ 3 here |
| 19:39:26 | mandrake | I want to go back home and play DAoC some more |
| 19:39:27 | kergoth | JasonNJ: not specifically. tronical built it |
| 19:39:33 | JasonNJ | not the base sharp rom |
| 19:39:40 | mandrake | I'm tired of futzing around with qinstall today |
| 19:39:44 | kergoth | JasonNJ: konq/e isnt integrated into the opie build process yet |
| 19:39:48 | treke_ | was the build done before the change? |
| 19:39:50 | JasonNJ | ah. |
| 19:39:55 | kergoth | treke_: ? |
| 19:40:10 | treke_ | kergoth : Did you make the provides line before this oz build? |
| 19:40:14 | kergoth | yes |
| 19:40:14 | JasonNJ | kergoth: is it safe to do a ipkg install * from the terminal where all the packages for oz 3 are? |
| 19:40:29 | JasonNJ | I just did a wget of the whole feed to my microdrive |
| 19:40:29 | kergoth | JasonNJ: should be fine.. the feed contains the same packages i installed into the rom |
| 19:40:35 | kergoth | along with more |
| 19:40:36 | kergoth | cool |
| 19:40:52 | JasonNJ | I had to do that because the wlan stuff dont work |
| 19:40:55 | kergoth | 1) i do a build 2) i copy the ipks to the feed.. 3) i download the feed and start installing packages into the rom |
| 19:41:07 | kergoth | so the feed stays synced |
| 19:45:47 | JasonNJ | ipkg install * --force-depends seems to work on konqueror |
| 19:45:55 | JasonNJ | oooh. segfault. |
| 19:46:23 | kergoth | its -force-depends not -- |
| 19:46:27 | kergoth | but yeah ive seen that too |
| 19:46:31 | kergoth | may be a bug in ipkg/C |
| 19:46:35 | JasonNJ | well |
| 19:46:43 | JasonNJ | its installing all this crap to the jffs2 right |
| 19:46:49 | JasonNJ | so I just hosed my oz |
| 19:46:56 | JasonNJ | by segfaulting |
| 19:47:07 | kergoth | ? |
| 19:47:09 | kergoth | hows that? |
| 19:47:14 | JasonNJ | well |
| 19:47:21 | JasonNJ | /usr/lib is on the jffs2 right |
| 19:47:25 | JasonNJ | and it just ran out of space |
| 19:47:26 | kergoth | yes... |
| 19:47:31 | kergoth | okay.. |
| 19:47:39 | kergoth | ipkg remove konqueror |
| 19:48:24 | kergoth | JasonNJ: fyi I'm about done with both command line utils for dealing with installing to sd/cf and shit. I'll email ipks to you this afternoon some time |
| 19:55:02 | | scap is http://handhelds.org/scap/ or a CGI application now |
| 19:55:02 | treke_ | ibot scap |
| 19:56:03 | hunger | Is this good: |
| 19:56:15 | hunger | /opt/Embedix/tools/arm-linux/bin/ld: /opt/Embedix/tools/arm-linux/lib/ld-linux.so.2: indirect symbol `__libc_internal_tsd_set' to `__libc_internal_tsd_set@@GLIBC_2.0' is a loop |
| 19:56:15 | hunger | /opt/Embedix/tools/arm-linux/lib/ld-linux.so.2: could not read symbols: Invalid operation |
| 19:56:19 | hunger | ? |
| 19:57:10 | kergoth | sounds like you manually added /opt/Embedix/tools/arm-linux/lib to your LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
| 19:58:15 | hunger | kergoth: You are aboutz right:-) |
| 19:58:20 | kergoth | :-) |
| 19:58:37 | kergoth | gcc/g++ and friends have that in their search paths explicitly. no need to add it manually |
| 19:58:39 | hunger | kergoth: It downloads and build iptables now... |
| 19:58:47 | kergoth | ah |
| 19:58:53 | kergoth | yeah it was there, but in the oldddd format |
| 19:59:07 | hunger | kergoth: I noticed:-) |
| 19:59:15 | hunger | kergoth: I'm just updating it a bit. |
| 19:59:40 | kergoth | that's cool |
| 20:00:59 | hunger | kergoth: Does OZ support IPv6 yet? |
| 20:01:21 | kergoth | hunger: check for yourself in the linux configs... i dont recall. dont think so though. |
| 20:07:54 | Neo|Work | is away: lunch pause or whatever |
| 20:08:33 | Neo|Work | is away: lunch pause or whatever |
| 20:13:47 | nelson | Anybody know what serial device a CF modem gets assigned? |
| 20:18:25 | JasonNJ | nelson: the gps is treated as a cf modem? |
| 20:20:46 | nelson | JasonNJ: that's the theory. Depends on exactly what the card manager scripts are set up to do. |
| 20:20:59 | nelson | JasonNJ: where do the system logs go to? |
| 20:21:18 | kergoth | nelson: logs? there arent any on the Z.. only dmesg for kernel messages |
| 20:21:50 | nelson | hmmm.... then what does (e.g.) /sbin/cardmgr do with its messages? |
| 20:22:19 | kergoth | well, what does cardmgr do with its messages when no syslog daemon is running? chances are, they go to the proverbial bitbucket |
| 20:22:35 | kergoth | course the pcmcia kernel drivers will dump messages to dmesg.. but that must not be what you're lookginf ro |
| 20:22:41 | kergoth | s/lookginf ro/looking for/ |
| 20:23:06 | roge99 | :wq |
| 20:23:10 | Gepeto | Can someone 1) remind me the LD_LIBRARY path thing required to start qtopia desktop and b) point me to the updated Ethernet over usb howto? (I saw a new one and I thought I had bookmarked it but it seems not) |
| 20:23:18 | roge99 | whooops! |
| 20:23:28 | kergoth | roge99: you missed. :-P |
| 20:23:28 | nelson | on the ipaq, they go to the console device, which is /dev/ttySA0 by default. |
| 20:23:38 | roge99 | he |
| 20:23:39 | JasonNJ | nelson: I dont think the zaurus logs |
| 20:23:44 | kergoth | user space messages go out console? |
| 20:23:46 | nelson | JasonNJ: seemingly not. |
| 20:23:51 | nelson | kergoth: yep. |
| 20:23:52 | kergoth | i thought only console messages went there |
| 20:23:55 | benmeyer | which rcx.d file should I put the boa startup in? |
| 20:23:55 | kergoth | nifty |
| 20:24:05 | Gepeto | someone? Help for a poor z owner left alone in the dark? :) |
| 20:24:17 | JasonNJ | nelson query mitchy about this |
| 20:24:27 | nelson | Okay, I've gotten past that problem. Now when I open /dev/modem, it's not turning on the GPS. |
| 20:24:33 | benmeyer | http://www.zauruszone.com/wiki/index.php?Howto |
| 20:24:39 | JasonNJ | katayama.michita@sharp.co.jp |
| 20:24:46 | Gepeto | benmeyer: oh right I had forgotten zauruszone existed eh eh |
| 20:24:54 | kergoth | JasonNJ: syslogd and klogd are in busybox in oz3.. you can run them.. and you get a nifty /var/log/messages to go through. ;-) |
| 20:24:57 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:25:00 | kergoth | </plug> |
| 20:25:04 | JasonNJ | nelson: so this unit works and the unit you had was busted? |
| 20:25:30 | nelson | JasonNJ: well, it works on my ipaq. Not working on Zaurus (yet). |
| 20:27:07 | Gepeto | hmf this is the same howto I had :) maybe I replaced the old link by a new one |
| 20:27:14 | Gepeto | as for starting qtopiadesktop ? |
| 20:27:50 | hunger | kergoth: I have a iptables.ipk :-) |
| 20:28:21 | hunger | kergoth: Wanna have the config.mk? It installs and seems to work (very superficial test) |
| 20:31:48 | hunger | kergoth: I'm now going for inetd and then ssh. |
| 20:32:21 | kergoth | hunger: k, cool. netkit-base is in there, just need to convert. feel free to email me the new iptables mk |
| 20:32:26 | JasonNJ | killefiz: add a line to the top of your homepage about subscribing to the list |
| 20:32:49 | hunger | kergoth: Do you want the iptables file? How do I get it to you? |
| 20:33:12 | kergoth | yeah |
| 20:33:15 | | rumour has it kergoth is available at mailto:kergoth@digitalnemesis.net |
| 20:33:15 | kergoth | ibot: kergoth? |
| 20:33:17 | killefiz | JasonNJ: I want to see if the mailing works for today |
| 20:33:22 | killefiz | first |
| 20:35:06 | JasonNJ | do a test now |
| 20:35:40 | hunger | kergoth: Should be on its way... |
| 20:39:22 | kergoth | k |
| 20:40:02 | | benmeyer: huh? |
| 20:40:02 | benmeyer | ibot microsoft |
| 20:40:11 | | Slashdot - Updated 2002-04-19 19:47:42 | On Hacktivism | Review: Creative Labs Video Blaster - Digital VCR | Wireless Providers to Pay Universal Service Fees? | Intel Shows Off 'Banias' Chip for Mobile Devices |
| 20:40:11 | benmeyer | ibot slashdot |
| 20:41:37 | | i think faq is at http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/zaurus-faq/ or at http://www.handhelds.org/handhelds-faq/handhelds-faq.html |
| 20:41:37 | arno- | ibot faq |
| 20:44:39 | mark_ | hmm, on ebay, if i send my money to someone and dont get my product, what happens? |
| 20:55:23 | curd | mark_: http://pages.ebay.com/help/community/insurance.html |
| 20:55:44 | Gepeto | cant anyone remind me how to start qtopiadesktop with that argument...ld library or something? |
| 21:05:17 | kendrick2 | hello? :) |
| 21:05:43 | killefiz | noone here |
| 21:05:57 | kendrick2 | get my email :) |
| 21:06:06 | killefiz | i'm answering it right now |
| 21:06:09 | kendrick2 | man, it sounds liek SL-5500 stylus are WAY too easy to break |
| 21:06:28 | killefiz | how much are replacement styli? |
| 21:06:42 | kendrick2 | ya know, i dunno! |
| 21:06:52 | hunger | kergoth: Should /etc/services come with netkit-base? |
| 21:07:18 | killefiz | there is one place here in germany that sells them online. They want 16 EUR for one Stylus :( |
| 21:07:22 | scanline | sharp tech support sucks... |
| 21:07:30 | scanline | I gave them two weeks to answer my emails |
| 21:07:35 | scanline | now i'm on hold... |
| 21:07:39 | kendrick2 | :( |
| 21:08:12 | scanline | i love the Zaurus, but mine would be better without a cracked digitizer |
| 21:08:32 | kendrick2 | OUCH! |
| 21:08:34 | kendrick2 | how did you do that!? |
| 21:08:58 | scanline | I have this bad luck you see... the only time I had it in my pocket without the flip cover I fell on it :( |
| 21:09:04 | kendrick2 | oh shit |
| 21:09:06 | kendrick2 | does it WORK? |
| 21:09:15 | scanline | works fine, but there are dead spots in the touchscreen |
| 21:09:24 | kendrick2 | :( |
| 21:09:27 | scanline | yeah... |
| 21:09:33 | kendrick2 | they gonna replace it? |
| 21:09:38 | kendrick2 | or, i guess that's why you're on hold? :) |
| 21:09:43 | scanline | exactly |
| 21:10:02 | hunger | scanline: Yeap. I called techsupport three times. The first time I was told it's not Sharps fault. The secound time that I should look at www.zaurus.de (which is so broken that I can't even log in), then I was given a email-address which bounced. |
| 21:10:07 | scanline | The only response I've got from sharp was one from their software division saying 'we don't do hardware problems' and giving me an email and phone number |
| 21:10:19 | scanline | hunger: you have a cracked LCD too? |
| 21:10:43 | scanline | Of course I've sent an email to every address i could get a hold of and most of them didn't respond |
| 21:10:58 | hunger | scanline: Nope. Just the mondain trouble of a network card not working allthough it's listed on one of sharps pages as being supported. |
| 21:11:12 | scanline | k |
| 21:11:21 | arno- | hung: ifconfig -a|grep eth |
| 21:11:45 | arno- | does that return anything? |
| 21:12:01 | scanline | I need to program my tuxscreen to wait on hold for me... |
| 21:12:27 | kendrick2 | heh |
| 21:12:33 | kendrick2 | how much are tuxphones? $99? |
| 21:12:41 | kendrick2 | they're an actual phone, right? not voip? |
| 21:13:15 | scanline | right |
| 21:14:32 | scanline | yay, a person |
| 21:17:57 | scanline | hm... this sucks |
| 21:18:27 | scanline | Times like this i wish the ipaq had a keyboard, builtin CF, and a 16-bit display... |
| 21:18:41 | scanline | oops... |
| 21:18:42 | scanline | is back (gone 03:30:43) |
| 21:20:46 | Com[ANGRY | lol, the zaurus has all of that |
| 21:20:51 | scanline | I know |
| 21:20:56 | Com[ANGRY | why would anyone want an ipaq over the zaurus? |
| 21:21:03 | treke_ | built in mic and speaker |
| 21:21:09 | scanline | That was sort of my point... better support |
| 21:21:09 | Com[ANGRY | thats it? |
| 21:21:29 | ljp_ | cause it has a micros~1 os |
| 21:21:31 | treke_ | Pretty much |
| 21:21:34 | Com[ANGRY | ah |
| 21:21:35 | scanline | with an iPaq or Palm, you get a new unit within 3 days |
| 21:21:41 | scanline | then you ship yours back in that box |
| 21:21:44 | treke_ | Ipaq is a bit smaller than the Zaurus |
| 21:21:47 | ljp_ | AND MORE APPS |
| 21:21:50 | ljp_ | err sorry |
| 21:21:53 | scanline | they're making me send mine off to them, to take some unknown amount of time to fix |
| 21:21:54 | Com[ANGRY | hmm |
| 21:22:01 | Com[ANGRY | wehats wrong with your zaurus?? |
| 21:22:07 | scanline | bitchslaps sharp over the head with a wet noodle |
| 21:22:13 | scanline | I cracked the digitizer glass |
| 21:22:25 | Com[Plex | your kidding? |
| 21:22:38 | Com[Plex | 'digitizer glass' ? screen? |
| 21:22:41 | scanline | If i was kidding I wouldn't need it fixed :P |
| 21:22:50 | Com[Plex | howd you do that? |
| 21:22:51 | scanline | the LCD is fine, but there's a crack in the digitizer |
| 21:22:56 | scanline | sighs... |
| 21:23:00 | Com[Plex | forget it |
| 21:23:12 | Com[Plex | are they charging you to fix it? |
| 21:23:15 | treke_ | has done that |
| 21:23:21 | scanline | not that I know of |
| 21:23:22 | treke_ | dog stepped in it :) |
| 21:23:34 | Com[Plex | 5000d or 5500? |
| 21:23:38 | scanline | but other companies I've heard of would send the new unit first |
| 21:23:40 | scanline | 5000D |
| 21:23:52 | scanline | The warantee should cover this |
| 21:24:11 | scanline | It kind of surprised me, since usually they exclude LCD and battery from the warantee |
| 21:24:20 | scanline | on laptops at least... |
| 21:28:43 | benmeyer | http://www.buffalotech.com/products/airstation/wlicf11g.html |
| 21:29:49 | JasonNJ | its a cool card |
| 21:29:56 | kendrick2 | it's :) |
| 21:29:57 | JasonNJ | problem is I cant seem to find what it costs |
| 21:29:58 | kendrick2 | sorry ;) |
| 21:30:13 | JasonNJ | kendrick2: bugsquish rules |
| 21:30:16 | benmeyer | 120? |
| 21:30:17 | kendrick2 | hehe |
| 21:30:17 | benmeyer | ish |
| 21:30:20 | kendrick2 | it's a little too easy |
| 21:30:30 | kendrick2 | and some of the sfx don't work... i dont think sdl_mixer on the z likes the waves |
| 21:30:31 | JasonNJ | kendrick2: all your games write directly to the framebuffer right |
| 21:30:33 | JasonNJ | they arent qt apps |
| 21:30:45 | kendrick2 | jason - they're KINDA qt apps. :) they use neotron's SDL port |
| 21:31:00 | kendrick2 | john 'overcode' hall's SDL port is/was direct-to-FB |
| 21:31:05 | benmeyer | $109.68 |
| 21:31:06 | kendrick2 | which means it'll work on X11 or Qtopia |
| 21:31:09 | benmeyer | http://www.cdw.com/shop/search/results.asp?key=buffalo |
| 21:31:15 | JasonNJ | that card rules |
| 21:31:19 | kendrick2 | i think neo's (the one i'm using) uses Qt to blit |
| 21:31:21 | JasonNJ | doesnt block any ports |
| 21:31:24 | JasonNJ | really small |
| 21:31:26 | JasonNJ | works out of the box |
| 21:31:30 | kendrick2 | wifi or what? |
| 21:31:33 | benmeyer | on 5500 and 5000 |
| 21:31:42 | benmeyer | yummy |
| 21:31:55 | zirpubolc | anyone have a link for getting Quake working on the Z.? |
| 21:31:58 | kergoth | JasonNJ: what chipset? |
| 21:32:00 | JasonNJ | we did the 200 foot test with it |
| 21:32:06 | JasonNJ | prism2 |
| 21:32:09 | kendrick2 | zir - i have SOME info in my faq under software |
| 21:32:10 | benmeyer | http://www.airstation.com/english/products/wli-cf-s11g.html |
| 21:32:11 | JasonNJ | 2.5 maybe |
| 21:32:12 | | faq is at http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/zaurus-faq/ or at http://www.handhelds.org/handhelds-faq/handhelds-faq.html |
| 21:32:12 | kendrick2 | ibot: faq |
| 21:32:16 | kendrick2 | (the first one) |
| 21:32:25 | kergoth | JasonNJ: thats the question.. 2 or 2.5.. generally 2.5 has lower battery consumption |
| 21:32:26 | JasonNJ | kerndick: any other games coming down the pike? |
| 21:32:28 | zirpubolc | thanks |
| 21:32:43 | kergoth | JasonNJ: the zcom card and the smc are prism 2.5 as i understand it |
| 21:32:43 | kendrick2 | jason - i've been requested to make a clone of Barrack, and Tempest |
| 21:32:48 | kendrick2 | both of which i'd want to run on the Z, too ;) |
| 21:32:59 | kergoth | tempest would rock. |
| 21:33:22 | JasonNJ | whats barrack |
| 21:33:34 | JasonNJ | I wanna see a spacewar game with the vectoroids engine |
| 21:33:54 | benmeyer | http://www.zones.com/cgi-bin/zones/zbs/scripts/browse/simple_browse_page.jsp?id=/Product+Brands+ZBS/Buffalo+Technology |
| 21:34:11 | zirpubolc | i found no mention of Quake in either of those faq's. |
| 21:34:22 | kendrick2 | zir - click 'software' |
| 21:34:24 | kendrick2 | it's on that page |
| 21:34:28 | zirpubolc | ah |
| 21:34:49 | kendrick2 | "7.I heard you can play Quake on the Zaurus" |
| 21:34:55 | benmeyer | yah |
| 21:34:57 | benmeyer | on 5500 |
| 21:35:22 | hunger | kergoth: Is there a good start/stop script that I can copy? |
| 21:35:24 | zirpubolc | minde dosen't work. missing config.cfg perhaps? |
| 21:35:27 | kendrick2 | jason - barrack was this mac game KINDA like Qix, but played with a mouse and a rotatable 'paddle' thing that show the lines out |
| 21:35:30 | kergoth | we need doom. |
| 21:35:32 | kergoth | hunger: for...? |
| 21:35:37 | hunger | kergoth: inetd |
| 21:35:40 | kendrick2 | totally... doom and/or wolf3d |
| 21:35:49 | kergoth | hunger: no init.d script included in netkit-base? |
| 21:35:54 | kergoth | yeah |
| 21:35:55 | JasonNJ | card says prism on board on it |
| 21:36:01 | JasonNJ | doesnt specify prism2 or 2.5 |
| 21:36:05 | kergoth | JasonNJ: hmmm |
| 21:36:13 | kergoth | JasonNJ: do have specs on battery consumption? |
| 21:36:16 | kergoth | needs a wlan card |
| 21:36:16 | JasonNJ | ya |
| 21:36:42 | killefiz | The zaurus-software newsletter is alive now |
| 21:36:50 | kendrick2 | kill - nifty |
| 21:36:51 | killefiz | visit zaurus.sf.net to subscribe |
| 21:37:07 | kendrick2 | jason annc'd on z-general :) |
| 21:38:00 | hunger | kergoth: I don't see any. |
| 21:38:35 | JasonNJ | killefiz: you send out a test msg yet? |
| 21:38:38 | kendrick2 | i got one ;) |
| 21:38:43 | kendrick2 | i suggested he add a 'changes' line |
| 21:38:45 | benmeyer | http://www.chumbo.com/publisher.asp?pid=5620 |
| 21:38:55 | killefiz | JasonNJ: Yes - i think you're not subscribed |
| 21:38:59 | hunger | kergoth: I can just copy the one from debian. I don't know wether that will work, it tends to be rather specific to debian. |
| 21:39:16 | BigBoss | jason: we're working on 2 new games right now and 2 others on the board after that |
| 21:39:41 | kendrick2 | brb |
| 21:39:48 | kendrick2 | shows of z games to coworker |
| 21:41:02 | kergoth | hunger: oz3 is based on debian. |
| 21:41:20 | kergoth | hunger: actually, half our packages download and apply the debian .diff.gz from the debian sources and apply it to get scripts |
| 21:41:22 | kergoth | hunger: hehe |
| 21:41:51 | hunger | kergoth: Shall I download form debian? |
| 21:41:56 | druiid | kergoth: oh yeah.. does the mpeg player work any faster under OZ, than the one that comes with the Sharp distrib? |
| 21:42:54 | hunger | kergoth: The question is: Do we have debian's start-stop-daemon? |
| 21:43:17 | hunger | kergoth: If not, then I'll need to write our own start/stop script. |
| 21:44:12 | kergoth | hunger: yes we do |
| 21:44:21 | kergoth | hunger: its in debianutils.. also, its in the current busybox build. |
| 21:44:35 | hunger | kergoth: Cool:-) |
| 21:45:27 | benmeyer | What happened to zaurus.loveslinux.com? |
| 21:45:41 | kendrick2 | hmm |
| 21:45:55 | BigBoss | seems to have gone dead suddenly |
| 21:46:01 | kendrick2 | is loveslinux.com working at all? |
| 21:46:19 | killefiz | nope |
| 21:47:20 | druiid | that would explain it. |
| 21:48:10 | kendrick2 | http://www.sharpretailtraining.com/Newsletter/NewsletterApril15.htm <- hehehe |
| 21:48:25 | hunger | kergoth: debian's version is so old... |
| 21:49:05 | kergoth | hunger: the script doesnt need to be new if it works.. heh |
| 21:49:07 | kendrick2 | who wrote this? |
| 21:49:47 | kergoth | lol |
| 21:49:58 | kendrick2 | did everyone get this email? |
| 21:50:06 | kergoth | i like the things NOT to do with your zaurus |
| 21:50:08 | JasonNJ | killefiz your embedded urls arent working |
| 21:50:17 | JasonNJ | they point to bogus pages |
| 21:50:46 | kendrick2 | OTQ: Anyone know anything about gs, PDFs and/or LaTeK? |
| 21:51:46 | JasonNJ | kendrick2: how the heck did you discover that URL |
| 21:51:55 | kendrick2 | email from sharpsec! |
| 21:52:39 | kendrick2 | I received that monthly mailing because i signed up for it :^P |
| 21:52:44 | killefiz | JasonNJ: Right, wrong url - fixed |
| 21:53:01 | kendrick2 | kill - what's your site written in? |
| 21:53:08 | killefiz | php |
| 21:53:29 | kendrick2 | niiifty |
| 21:53:42 | kendrick2 | wow - another email about the indrema |
| 21:53:49 | kendrick2 | lemme guess "do you have one? can i buy it?" |
| 21:53:50 | killefiz | easily identified by all pages ending .php ;) |
| 21:53:58 | kendrick2 | kill - sorry - not at your site right now :) |
| 21:54:05 | kendrick2 | i barely remember the url w/o going to my faq first ;) |
| 21:55:42 | killefiz | kendrick2: did I mention that your faq is the top referrer for the killefiz.de/zaurus pages? |
| 21:55:49 | killefiz | http://killefiz.de/statistik/ |
| 21:55:52 | kendrick2 | kewl :) |
| 21:56:34 | kendrick2 | mentions it again ;) |
| 21:56:44 | kendrick2 | someone on qpe-devel asking about zaurus software listing sites :) |
| 21:57:11 | killefiz | have a look at the statistics-url while it's hot. It'll get overwritten by a german version in about an hour or so |
| 21:57:43 | benmeyer | cool |
| 21:57:44 | kendrick2 | you need to move to the us |
| 21:57:49 | kendrick2 | most of your hits are from there ;) ;) |
| 21:57:56 | kendrick2 | is glad to help :) |
| 21:58:11 | kendrick2 | i wonder what http referer opera would give for the ipk'd version of my faq :) |
| 21:58:12 | kendrick2 | hmm |
| 21:58:27 | killefiz | probably no referrer at all |
| 21:58:40 | kendrick2 | i could test, with boa >:^) |
| 21:58:56 | killefiz | kendrick2: I'll move to the us once GWB is gone |
| 21:59:20 | kendrick2 | gwb? |
| 21:59:30 | killefiz | george bush |
| 21:59:35 | killefiz | your president |
| 21:59:48 | kendrick2 | oh - hahaha |
| 21:59:51 | kendrick2 | cries |
| 22:03:55 | hunger | kergoth: netbase has /etc/init.d/inetd but no such daemon:-( |
| 22:06:54 | hunger | kergoth: I'll build initd there. |
| 22:09:15 | kergoth | ? |
| 22:11:28 | Neo|Work | SDL apps using my SDL library are qt apps |
| 22:11:36 | Neo|Work | qt apps in a minor way, but still Qt |
| 22:11:45 | hunger | kergoth: I'll add inetd to the netbase ipk. |
| 22:11:48 | kendrick2 | didnt i already answer that? :) |
| 22:12:21 | kergoth | hunger: why? netkit-base has inetd, not netbase. |
| 22:12:34 | kergoth | hunger: netbase has the associated scripts.. they're related, but two different packages |
| 22:12:41 | hunger | kergoth: The source is included in netbase. |
| 22:12:58 | kergoth | ahhh yeah i forgot about that :-) |
| 22:13:07 | hunger | kergoth: ... in the source downloaded for netbase. |
| 22:13:22 | hunger | kergoth: netbase installs /etc/init.d/inetd. |
| 22:13:41 | hunger | kergoth: It has /etc/inetd.conf readily available. |
| 22:13:46 | treke_ | Neo|Work : small bug. Your SA ipkg conflicts with the libSDL package ( files overlapping) |
| 22:13:53 | kergoth | hunger: cool |
| 22:14:06 | hunger | kergoth: It's in the debian dir:-) |
| 22:15:37 | Com[Plex | anyone use the gameboy emulator on the Z? |
| 22:15:38 | Neo|Work | treke_: uh. Like what? |
| 22:15:47 | treke_ | Neo|Work : like libSDL.so |
| 22:15:56 | Neo|Work | My SA package doesn't have libSDL.so |
| 22:15:58 | kendrick2 | sa is syn linked? |
| 22:16:01 | kendrick2 | i didn thtink so :) |
| 22:16:05 | Neo|Work | it's statically linked |
| 22:16:19 | Neo|Work | I have a dynamic binary but it's just the actual binary and not the library |
| 22:16:23 | hunger | kergoth: Damn. It's not there. |
| 22:16:25 | treke_ | Neo|Work : it was conflicting with something there... |
| 22:16:30 | kergoth | hunger: ? |
| 22:17:02 | Neo|Work | I can't see what though |
| 22:17:14 | treke_ | lemme try installing again |
| 22:17:26 | hunger | kergoth: The init-file is not in the debian dir. |
| 22:17:28 | Neo|Work | SDL has no dependencies. can that be the problem? |
| 22:17:40 | Neo|Work | that's a package bugs in reality |
| 22:17:51 | treke_ | I think that was a problem, but this was specifically a file conflict |
| 22:20:46 | Neo|Work | there _shouldn't_ be so I'm confused. :) |
| 22:21:02 | Neo|Work | but I never actually tested with an ipkg that cares |
| 22:22:32 | treke_ | I'm trying to duplicate it |
| 22:23:23 | treke_ | which I cant seem to do, so ignore me |
| 22:32:04 | benmeyer | See you all Monday! |
| 22:32:06 | Gepeto | hmm anyone had a 1.03 Rom zaurus setup for Ethernet over usb? I cant go buy a CF and cf reader now and I wanna get it working :| |
| 22:32:08 | benmeyer | (no net at home yet) |
| 22:32:30 | benmeyer | poor me |
| 22:34:57 | hunger | kergoth: How do I specify configfiles? |
| 22:37:10 | kergoth | ? |
| 22:37:12 | kergoth | for what? |
| 22:37:31 | hunger | kergoth: I want /etc/inetd.conf marked as a configfile in ipkg. |
| 22:37:36 | kergoth | ah |
| 22:38:12 | kergoth | create a dir in SourceTree called CONTROl. create conffiles in there, which contains a list of configuration files, absolute paths (i.e. '/etc/inetd.conf') |
| 22:38:44 | hunger | kergoth: I know that:-) Is there a standard way in your buildsystem to do this? That's the actual question:-) |
| 22:39:47 | kergoth | nah not standard yet . for now, the system just grabs files from CONTROL if they'r ethere. thats the only way of doing it atm |
| 22:40:02 | hunger | kergoth: OK. |
| 22:40:43 | hunger | kergoth: No standard inetd.conf in debian. Looks like its generated. |
| 22:40:49 | kergoth | ah |
| 22:41:26 | mark | anyone good with gdb about? (well, anyone know how i would find out where abouts i am int he programs execution) |
| 22:41:40 | hunger | kergoth: Is there a default place to put configfiles? I need to have a inetd.conf, I want it in the OZ-CVS. |
| 22:42:14 | hunger | kergoth: Default place in the OZ-CVS... |
| 22:42:22 | hunger | kergoth: I know about /etc :-) |
| 22:42:40 | kergoth | either 1) add a patch file to sources/ and Sources: or 2) add to oz-base |
| 22:42:41 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:49:56 | hunger | kergoth: Can I autogenerate start/stop links in /etc/rc?.d? |
| 22:50:11 | hunger | kergoth: Or do I need to set those myself? |
| 22:51:25 | scanline | is away: pseudo-i-think-its-food |
| 22:57:49 | kergoth | hunger: up to you. I generally add the ln lines to BinaryStagingInstallCmds and BinaryInstallCmds |
| 22:59:01 | whardier | you all gonna make me act a fool! |
| 23:00:59 | kendrick2 | all your whardier are belong to us |
| 23:01:58 | fusion94 | is back (gone 00:00:13) |
| 23:23:45 | jay_ | anyone get quake running on a SL 5500 |
| 23:25:41 | jay_ | ok |
| 23:26:03 | jay_ | *crickets* *crickets* |
| 23:29:25 | finkployd | *krikkits* |
| 23:30:23 | kendrick2 | wanders |
| 23:30:30 | kendrick2 | i did ince, jay_ |
| 23:30:34 | kendrick2 | it was slow |
| 23:30:44 | kendrick2 | and i couldn't play it :) needs some config'ing, i think |
| 23:30:54 | kendrick2 | i'm guessing we'll be more lucky with wolf3d or doom, for now |
| 23:33:46 | scanline | is back (gone 00:42:21) |
| 23:34:14 | jay_ | i cant get it to run |
| 23:34:26 | jay_ | says it cant find gfx.wad |
| 23:35:33 | Neo|Work | just give up now |
| 23:35:36 | Neo|Work | it's not playable |
| 23:36:03 | jay_ | ok what games are then...handango has games but all cost ??? |
| 23:36:08 | jay_ | cost $$$ |
| 23:38:25 | jay_ | by silence does that mean none :) |
| 23:43:07 | kendrick2 | mine don't! |
| 23:43:22 | kendrick2 | was busy reading a story about Loki, sorry :) |
| 23:43:28 | kendrick2 | mad bomber, vectoroids and bug squish are all free |
| 23:43:32 | kendrick2 | (they're also all kind of big; sorry ;) ) |
| 23:43:56 | Neo|Work | jay_: SA and Eligo are good games tho. :P |
| 23:44:05 | kendrick2 | HEY |
| 23:44:12 | kendrick2 | you don't LIKE my games, neo? |
| 23:44:13 | kendrick2 | :) |
| 23:44:21 | kendrick2 | SA's cool.. kinda hard tho :^/ |
| 23:44:23 | kendrick2 | eligo rocks |
| 23:44:31 | kendrick2 | (no pun indented ;) ) |
| 23:44:46 | Neo|Work | SA 1.8.2 will probably be somewhat easier with good speed control |
| 23:44:57 | nyargh | so uh |
| 23:44:59 | nyargh | who loves me |
| 23:45:00 | nyargh | cmon now? |
| 23:45:03 | nyargh | i want to hear it |
| 23:45:05 | kendrick2 | does current SA have speed control? |
| 23:45:09 | nyargh | kisses and hugs from the grubs! |
| 23:45:24 | nyargh | anyhow, i just ported ogg123 to the zaurus. works fine in realtime 40% util, sounds good |
| 23:45:41 | kendrick2 | cool |
| 23:45:53 | kendrick2 | post to ZSI & z-general & zaurusoft & & & ... |
| 23:46:07 | nyargh | lemme make an ipk and i'll do it this weekend |
| 23:46:08 | Neo|Work | nyargh: good for the ppl, bad for tkc and xiph |
| 23:46:19 | Neo|Work | how did you handle the int decoder? |
| 23:46:23 | nyargh | NeoTron: tkc is still faster and higher qual |
| 23:46:48 | nyargh | NeoTron: i didn't the oggonachip folks were doing their own LGPL int project |
| 23:46:57 | catalin | nyargh: you did what ? |
| 23:47:23 | jay_ | eligo ??? SA |
| 23:47:29 | Neo|Work | sugar sa |
| 23:47:33 | Neo|Work | oops |
| 23:47:34 | jay_ | im new my zaurus is 2 days old |
| 23:47:35 | | sa is http://eongames.com/games/sa/ or Strategic Assault - a Command & Conquer clone |
| 23:47:35 | Neo|Work | ibot: sa |
| 23:47:36 | nyargh | NeoTron: i just hacked it onto ogg123 and got it werkin |
| 23:47:38 | | rumour has it eligo is http://eongames.com/games/eligo/ |
| 23:47:38 | Neo|Work | ibot: eligo |
| 23:47:46 | Neo|Work | nyargh: cool tho |
| 23:48:03 | catalin | nyargh: url for oggonachip ? |
| 23:48:10 | jay_ | does the zaurus work on linux yet |
| 23:48:20 | nyargh | uhm |
| 23:48:21 | Neo|Work | jay_: huh? |
| 23:48:29 | Neo|Work | you mean syncing? |
| 23:48:33 | hunger | jay_: ? |
| 23:48:38 | Neo|Work | because the Zaurus runs linux and all.. |
| 23:48:42 | nyargh | catalin: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=oggonachip |
| 23:49:04 | MSpin | anyone know how to coax tmake to use a different compiler? |
| 23:49:09 | catalin | nyargh: just did that myself :). thanks |
| 23:49:23 | nyargh | hehe |
| 23:49:25 | nyargh | ok |
| 23:49:28 | nyargh | off i go |
| 23:49:44 | jay_ | syncing yes |
| 23:49:46 | fusion94 | Neo|Work: no it doesn't, it's really a stripped down version of MacOS 4 |
| 23:50:09 | jay_ | will the linux os (mandrake or suse for example) detect it? |
| 23:50:44 | Neo|Work | fusion94: eeek, the horror |
| 23:50:56 | fusion94 | heh |
| 23:51:00 | Neo|Work | jay_: USB networking works out of the box with a new mandrake kernel, yes |
| 23:51:09 | Neo|Work | 8.2 with latest kernel available should do |
| 23:52:09 | jay_ | ok and if i wanna install something on the zaurus how do i do that on mandrake |
| 23:53:40 | Neo|Work | follow the usb networking howto |
| 23:53:47 | Neo|Work | i don't remember the url though |
| 23:53:52 | | i think faq is at http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/zaurus-faq/ or at http://www.handhelds.org/handhelds-faq/handhelds-faq.html |
| 23:53:52 | Neo|Work | ibot faq |
| 23:54:00 | Neo|Work | check the first faq there |
| 23:54:09 | Neo|Work | it the premier faq out there |
| 23:55:42 | jay_ | if it works theres no need for me to run xp |
| 23:55:44 | jay_ | :)))) |
| 23:58:43 | jay_ | well im done at the office...time to go home |
| 23:58:48 | jay_ | see ya |
| 23:58:59 | kendrick2 | thx neo ;) |
