| 00:35:34 | ljp | heh- do they make kvim for the konsole? ;) |
| 00:46:30 | Neo|Work | Ohh. potential new porting project. |
| 00:46:40 | Neo|Work | One day all the "potentials" will all fall in place. at the same time I'm sure. |
| 00:46:58 | Neo|Work | then I will suddently have fupping many projects at once. :-)) |
| 00:48:50 | Neo|Work | Oh, cool. Got the data files for IF.. I'm guessing the source will come soon. :P |
| 00:49:18 | roge99 | hello all |
| 00:49:49 | tux_mike | hey roge |
| 00:49:58 | roge99 | hey tux_mike hows things |
| 00:51:02 | tux_mike | good. hopefully i'll win the big game and things will switch to great |
| 00:51:16 | roge99 | big game ? |
| 00:51:46 | Neo|Work | tux_mike: if you win, will you buy me a 128 MB SD and CF network card? :)) |
| 00:51:50 | treke | IF? |
| 00:52:09 | tux_mike | NeoTron: i'll get you 2 :) |
| 00:52:23 | roge99 | oh you talken bout that 300 mill lottery |
| 00:52:28 | | OK, Neo|Work. |
| 00:52:28 | Neo|Work | ibot IF is Interstellar Flames - see http://www.xengames.com/screens.html |
| 00:52:36 | tux_mike | roge99: of course :) |
| 00:52:47 | roge99 | i think im in a pool for it |
| 00:53:09 | treke | damn you Neo|Work ! |
| 00:54:32 | roge99 | one of my clients called me and asked if i wanted in |
| 00:54:33 | treke | although I really doubt this one will work on the iPaq |
| 00:54:33 | Neo|Work | treke: hey, it will be available for a Qtopia near you in sometime next month hopefully |
| 00:54:34 | treke | looks like it would request simultaneous key presses |
| 00:54:51 | Neo|Work | wo, the IF EXE is 50 KB |
| 00:54:59 | Neo|Work | well, it is written for the Pocket PC originally |
| 00:55:07 | Neo|Work | I'm guessing IPAQ |
| 00:55:27 | treke | other PPCs probably alow multiple key presses |
| 00:55:44 | Neo|Work | I don't know what hardware he uses to be honest |
| 00:56:00 | Neo|Work | all I know is that SA for PPC didn't have code support for diagonal scrolling with the arror keys |
| 00:56:19 | treke | probably an ipaq then :) |
| 00:56:58 | Neo|Work | but he has binaries for SA on various architectures too |
| 00:57:06 | Neo|Work | i.e SH3 and MIPS versions as well |
| 00:57:08 | Neo|Work | so who knows |
| 01:04:12 | peanut | UGH! |
| 01:04:21 | peanut | got his enfora today.. |
| 01:04:24 | peanut | what a pos |
| 01:04:52 | peanut | not only does it not get a decent connection (ok.. this could be for a variety of reasons) |
| 01:04:58 | KumaSan | has anyone flashed the roms in an SL5500 yet? the new beta openzaurus 3.0? (the one listed as highly unstable :) |
| 01:05:03 | peanut | the overall design, quality of my modem is severely lacking.. |
| 01:05:09 | peanut | its flimsy. |
| 01:05:12 | peanut | looks used |
| 01:05:20 | KumaSan | peanut: hit it with a stick until it improves. |
| 01:05:24 | peanut | seems like its splitting apart |
| 01:05:36 | peanut | the cf card insert was warped and required a load of force to get in.. |
| 01:05:40 | KumaSan | peanut: or cover it in epoxy :) |
| 01:05:44 | peanut | almost to the point where i wasn't going to try.. |
| 01:10:09 | Neo|Work | peanut: enfora? |
| 01:10:22 | peanut | the cdpd modem (ala sharp mobile) |
| 01:10:34 | KumaSan | peanut: it's that bad? |
| 01:10:49 | peanut | yes |
| 01:10:52 | peanut | :( |
| 01:10:53 | KumaSan | peanut: ouch, I guess I'll give it a miss then |
| 01:11:31 | peanut | does anyone else here have it? |
| 01:13:06 | Neo|Work | anyhow time go home |
| 01:14:17 | KumaSan | anyone here set up the cross compiler stuff under debian? |
| 01:14:26 | whardier | apt-get install redhat packages |
| 01:14:33 | whardier | hehe |
| 01:14:36 | whardier | apt-get install alien |
| 01:14:40 | whardier | then use alien on the redhat packages |
| 01:14:44 | whardier | then dpkg -i them |
| 01:14:50 | kergoth | woot! found my good stylus.. now i can put away the shitty sl5000d stylus |
| 01:14:56 | whardier | haha |
| 01:15:05 | whardier | sounds like somebody is having a good day! |
| 01:15:15 | ljp | kergoth: you doing a bash build? |
| 01:15:18 | kergoth | oz3's usb networking works now, btw |
| 01:15:19 | KumaSan | whardier: hm, I tried that, and something bombed out, but I forgot what! damn, better go try it again :) |
| 01:15:20 | whardier | I am on the 3rd floor of my apartment building |
| 01:15:24 | whardier | surrounded by suberbs |
| 01:15:34 | kergoth | ljp: yeah its already in the system. thanks for reminding me, i have to update it to the new format |
| 01:15:35 | whardier | is scanning suberbs ATM for a wireless link to hijack |
| 01:15:40 | ljp | :D |
| 01:15:50 | whardier | I think my wireless link to an OC3 is going away soon |
| 01:16:00 | whardier | so I need to find a sucker to proxy off of |
| 01:16:03 | ljp | why did they discover you? |
| 01:16:06 | whardier | the hub sucker proxy project |
| 01:16:06 | kergoth | whardier: ah |
| 01:16:10 | kergoth | lol |
| 01:16:16 | kergoth | that was a good movie |
| 01:16:18 | kergoth | the hudsucker proxy |
| 01:16:21 | whardier | ljp no I am their sysadmin |
| 01:16:28 | whardier | but I am leaving them |
| 01:16:30 | ljp | oh |
| 01:16:33 | ljp | heh |
| 01:16:48 | whardier | oh and I found a way to add an external antenna to the WCF-11 |
| 01:17:03 | whardier | but I like it too much to break it ATM |
| 01:17:16 | Com[ANGRY | wcf-11 isnt that made by hawkings? |
| 01:17:16 | whardier | I got on 5 peoples lans the other day |
| 01:17:23 | whardier | just driving around |
| 01:17:27 | Com[ANGRY | ooh |
| 01:17:29 | KumaSan | whardier: do you like the CF WiFi card? I am trying to decide which one to get. |
| 01:17:29 | whardier | ssh'ed to my home box |
| 01:17:39 | whardier | KumaSan if I were you |
| 01:17:42 | whardier | I would not buy one |
| 01:17:48 | whardier | and just get the sharpmobile service |
| 01:17:51 | whardier | lower xfer rate |
| 01:17:54 | KumaSan | whardier: what about the one on the sharp page? |
| 01:18:00 | whardier | but it has a much better usability |
| 01:18:09 | whardier | KumaSan theres lots of sharp pages |
| 01:18:12 | whardier | do you have a url? |
| 01:18:15 | KumaSan | whardier: nah, 802.11 works with the rest of my stuff and at clients sites |
| 01:18:21 | peanut | argh.. |
| 01:18:24 | whardier | KumaSan for maybe 50 feet |
| 01:18:27 | peanut | is sadly disappointed.. |
| 01:18:40 | whardier | I do 802.11 installs all the time and am fully aware of its limitations |
| 01:18:52 | whardier | the WCF-11 anyways |
| 01:19:37 | peanut | well at least my sharpmobile.com email address is working. |
| 01:19:45 | whardier | hehe |
| 01:20:20 | whardier | I would love Verizon CDPD coverave in my area |
| 01:20:23 | whardier | coverage even |
| 01:20:33 | whardier | that would help me out a LOT on long distance wireless installs |
| 01:20:41 | peanut | whardier: hehehe |
| 01:20:44 | whardier | being able to see the link quality on the other side without a human having to be there |
| 01:20:57 | peanut | whatcha gonna do.. |
| 01:21:09 | whardier | nawthing ATM |
| 01:21:38 | whardier | whats a good illistrator package for linux? |
| 01:22:01 | KumaSan | whardier: the one at http://www.myzaurus.com/acc_Comm2.asp |
| 01:22:34 | peanut | the enfora actually looks like a motoral star tac or what have you |
| 01:23:49 | KumaSan | whardier: problem with CDPD is lack of coverage, and cost. Plus I can set up a passive repeater at the site which gives me a few more dB |
| 01:24:08 | whardier | I have a CDMA phone |
| 01:24:16 | whardier | I wanna tap into that and get some bandwidth |
| 01:24:19 | whardier | it works everywhere |
| 01:24:28 | whardier | and I have unlimited minutes |
| 01:24:45 | whardier | I am really thinking of good ways to xfer data over sound at a reasonable rate |
| 01:24:49 | KumaSan | whardier: that's the other option, serial to phone, or IR to phone (although my current cell phone doesnt do IR *sniff* |
| 01:24:58 | whardier | dunno much about the d-link |
| 01:25:06 | whardier | nor does mine |
| 01:25:08 | whardier | in serial either |
| 01:25:12 | whardier | its dumb |
| 01:25:19 | whardier | I just wanna use the headset jack |
| 01:25:24 | whardier | and send morse code to my home computer |
| 01:25:25 | whardier | hehehe |
| 01:25:59 | KumaSan | whardier: I suppose the other option is bluetooth, but the phone selection for that in the US is quite limited. Not sure if the bluetooth cards wotk with the Zaurus yet either |
| 01:27:03 | KumaSan | whardier: the dlink card states that it sucks down 380mA when transmitting, which makes it quite a power hog, not sure how that compares to other wireless cards though |
| 01:28:17 | KumaSan | whardier: I did get a 12VDC adaptor for an IpaQ that works (so I am told) with the Zaurus, includes one of the zinc air disposable batteries, Supposedly good for 2-3 recharges of the li-ion batt on the Z. Haven't tried it yet, keeping it for emergencies |
| 01:30:03 | whardier | very cool |
| 01:30:05 | whardier | I love those |
| 01:30:06 | whardier | I want one |
| 01:30:09 | whardier | from geekrocket.com? |
| 01:30:26 | KumaSan | whardier: actually, from CompUSA if you can believe it :) |
| 01:30:49 | whardier | haha |
| 01:30:50 | whardier | neat |
| 01:30:57 | whardier | geekrocket.com is down.. |
| 01:31:04 | whardier | so some dude beside me owns javadelic.net |
| 01:31:13 | whardier | and he has a wireless link to it somehow |
| 01:31:29 | whardier | too bad he is on the other side of a building just down the road |
| 01:31:38 | whardier | I got on his connection |
| 01:31:43 | whardier | pretty easily |
| 01:31:55 | whardier | and after a little vtund action.. I would be pretty hard to see.. |
| 01:32:47 | peanut | yawns.. |
| 01:32:57 | whardier | eats a distracted peanut |
| 01:33:08 | whardier | I was just waiting for you to blink thats all |
| 01:33:33 | whardier | there is a bank next to me that I can connect to |
| 01:33:39 | whardier | essid HSBmain |
| 01:33:44 | whardier | I just need to crack the WEP |
| 01:33:46 | whardier | and I am in! |
| 01:33:57 | whardier | but I bet they are using RC4 128 |
| 01:34:03 | whardier | I would have to buy another card :( |
| 01:34:12 | whardier | there is also the school district |
| 01:34:19 | whardier | I have a really hard time connecting to them tho |
| 01:35:11 | whardier | woowoo |
| 01:35:16 | whardier | starts beating on Guest |
| 01:35:27 | whardier | Air Guitar TIME! |
| 01:39:32 | Hellaenergy | wonders who whardier is talking to :\ |
| 01:40:27 | warmi | hi |
| 01:40:32 | Hellaenergy | ih |
| 01:40:37 | whardier | beats Hellaenergy |
| 01:40:44 | whardier | cannot keep up with Hellaenergy |
| 01:40:51 | whardier | does not have the energy. |
| 01:40:55 | Hellaenergy | grins |
| 01:41:09 | whardier | you have hella energy Hellaenergy |
| 01:41:14 | Hellaenergy | thinks a flea bit him |
| 01:41:38 | Hellaenergy | Thats what my girl says :) |
| 01:42:01 | Hellaenergy | sipps his martini |
| 01:42:55 | warmi | huh ... someone from Sharp bought my game and billed it "Sharp test" division |
| 01:42:56 | warmi | hehe |
| 01:43:13 | Hellaenergy | sweet |
| 01:43:14 | ljp | heh same here |
| 01:43:41 | warmi | what are you selling ljp ? |
| 01:43:50 | ljp | gutenbrowser |
| 01:43:58 | ljp | :D |
| 01:44:07 | warmi | oh right |
| 01:44:22 | ljp | I might add a file manager I have been working on |
| 01:44:45 | warmi | hmm .... man, you are up against tough competition there ... namely tck :-) |
| 01:44:56 | warmi | tkc |
| 01:45:05 | ljp | puh.. |
| 01:45:19 | warmi | hehe |
| 01:45:58 | ljp | the thing I dont like about tck is it has its own look, and you must install their tck package that has gobs and gobs of icons and icons.. |
| 01:46:13 | warmi | I like that look a lot :-) |
| 01:46:25 | warmi | but I agree that these are rather heavy packages |
| 01:46:37 | warmi | ljp: that guy from Sharp ... was he named Spencer Huang ? |
| 01:46:58 | ljp | I dont mind it.. but for an embedded environment, it doesn;t make sense to stick your users into having to install unused icons more than 50! |
| 01:47:19 | warmi | that is true .... no argument there |
| 01:47:40 | ljp | especially when you can't install it to cf, because it has symlinks |
| 01:48:24 | warmi | yeah, that does suck .. |
| 01:48:58 | warmi | but you know what ... these are the very first batch of products for an embedded platform ... |
| 01:49:13 | KumaSan | woah! you mean if I spend $75 on the package,I can't install it to a CF or SD card? that sucks |
| 01:49:15 | warmi | hopefully they will learn something from it |
| 01:50:01 | ljp | KumaSan: most of their stuff will install cd remvable, except the shared icons and libs, which is huge! |
| 01:51:31 | ljp | they have good apps, but they should force users into their 'style' |
| 01:51:33 | KumaSan | ljp: hmm, that makes me reconsider buying it frankly. I want to be able to ahve a CF or SD card with all that stuff on it, and remove it when I want something else |
| 01:51:38 | ljp | s/should/shouldn't |
| 01:51:58 | KumaSan | ljp: they also make a tab for their stuff only so I hear, which is kind of annoying |
| 01:51:58 | ljp | you can if you format it with ext2 |
| 01:52:19 | ljp | ya, I deleted that tab and move tkcEditor to Applications |
| 01:52:29 | KumaSan | ljp: not sure I follow. You mean I can install all to SD if it is formatted in Ext2? |
| 01:52:37 | ljp | opie will eventually have a tabs editor |
| 01:53:01 | KumaSan | ljp: how did you edit the tab? I figured out how to add one, but couldn't give it a name,or an icon |
| 01:53:15 | ljp | it needs a file called .directory |
| 01:53:30 | ljp | look in the other dirs for that |
| 01:53:46 | KumaSan | ljp: ahah, thanks |
| 01:54:15 | KumaSan | is also annoyed that all java apps want to be in the java tab, instead of where they frigging belong. |
| 01:54:32 | ljp | heh ya me also |
| 01:54:34 | KumaSan | ljp: do you have a 5500 or a 5000? |
| 01:57:27 | ljp | 5000d |
| 01:57:54 | peanut | yawns.. |
| 01:57:58 | peanut | asks again.. |
| 01:58:03 | peanut | anyone get their enfora yet? |
| 01:59:17 | KumaSan | ljp: I want to get rid of some of the stuff, like the hancom stuff, that came with the 5500, I don't need ms compat in my handheld, I barely need it on my laptop. |
| 01:59:32 | KumaSan | has anyone tried the openzaurus 3.0 beta roms with a 5500? |
| 02:01:42 | ljp | KumaSan: all tha apps like that are in flash, and are symlined to. you can delete the symlinks and not see them anymore |
| 02:02:21 | ljp | symlinked |
| 02:03:12 | KumaSan | ljp: I have removed the .desktop files for them, which stops me seeing them, but I would like to put that space in the rom to good use. I am keeoing an eye on the openzaurus stuff. |
| 02:03:34 | warmi | Kuma: you got 64 Mb as it is .. |
| 02:03:38 | warmi | don't complain :-) |
| 02:03:51 | peanut | yawns. |
| 02:03:57 | warmi | I have to do with just 32 |
| 02:04:31 | KumaSan | warmi: I waited for months, told myself it would be worth it, and it was, but I feel your pain :) |
| 02:05:54 | warmi | hehe |
| 02:05:57 | warmi | don't ... |
| 02:06:01 | warmi | I got it for free :-) |
| 02:07:28 | tux_mike | *grumble* i need a new laptop |
| 02:07:38 | warmi | oh tux: |
| 02:07:49 | warmi | did get anything from Wolak like reassuring email ? |
| 02:07:58 | peanut | tux_mike: whats wrong with the one you have? |
| 02:08:39 | warmi | ha .. after certain internal events in Tribune Wolak ows me big time... I am gonna pressure him to hire you |
| 02:08:54 | warmi | heheh ... his boys fucked up big time and I had to clean up their mess |
| 02:09:13 | tux_mike | peanut: hunk of crap. |
| 02:09:22 | peanut | sorry to hear.. |
| 02:09:40 | peanut | ahh.. tivo finished with smallville 12 minutes ok.. |
| 02:09:41 | tux_mike | warmi... checking now. i don't think so though. |
| 02:09:44 | peanut | almost time to watch. |
| 02:09:46 | ljp | tux_mike: ya! me too! maybe 'Sharp' laptop.. "D |
| 02:09:55 | warmi | well, any hunk of crap is better than no laptop at all |
| 02:10:10 | warmi | hehe |
| 02:10:13 | peanut | is on his laptop right now. |
| 02:10:29 | warmi | what do you have peanut ? |
| 02:10:37 | peanut | dell lat c800 |
| 02:10:37 | tux_mike | warmi: well, this laptop often defeats the puropse of having a laptop |
| 02:10:55 | peanut | has a nice laptop.. |
| 02:11:06 | peanut | but its compliments of my work |
| 02:11:18 | peanut | the laptop i own is now 5 years old.. |
| 02:11:20 | warmi | I am gonna verbally spank Wolak day after tommorow |
| 02:11:21 | warmi | hehe |
| 02:11:23 | peanut | its a p120 toshiba |
| 02:11:31 | peanut | its sitting in a box |
| 02:11:48 | warmi | uh ... I think one can get this kind of hardware for like 200-300 $ on Ebay these days |
| 02:12:03 | peanut | really? |
| 02:12:06 | peanut | maybe i should sell mine.. |
| 02:12:08 | peanut | :) |
| 02:12:09 | warmi | I think so |
| 02:12:40 | tux_mike | i don't want to dump anyone with my laptop |
| 02:12:55 | warmi | hehehe |
| 02:12:57 | peanut | isn't newbreedsoftware kendrick's thing? |
| 02:13:03 | warmi | tux: is it that bad ? |
| 02:13:06 | tux_mike | i'm gonna make it into a server after i get a new one |
| 02:13:20 | warmi | a server laptop ... interesting |
| 02:13:39 | tux_mike | warmi: oten if i shift it bad, it will loose power or lock up the keyboard if it is on batteries |
| 02:13:52 | tux_mike | the trackpoint is not working |
| 02:13:55 | tux_mike | cracks in the case |
| 02:13:57 | warmi | hehehe .. |
| 02:14:13 | tux_mike | the screen rubs against the keyboard and has scuffs because of it (major design flaw) |
| 02:14:28 | warmi | what mark is that ? |
| 02:14:43 | tux_mike | ? |
| 02:14:48 | warmi | I mean, what brand is your laptop |
| 02:14:51 | warmi | sorry :-) |
| 02:14:53 | tux_mike | ah, compaq |
| 02:14:57 | tux_mike | m700 |
| 02:15:33 | warmi | how old it is ? |
| 02:15:59 | tux_mike | 2.5 years or so. |
| 02:16:03 | ljp | ownes an old Packard-Bell 386 laptop with 40 mB hard drive |
| 02:16:23 | tux_mike | i got it on first run. |
| 02:16:37 | tux_mike | it's kinda slow too. 400MHz |
| 02:16:38 | warmi | well, compaq seem to name all their laptops m700 cause I saw 1 GHZ based laptop named m700 on sale at ebay |
| 02:17:00 | warmi | holy shit ... are you serious ljp ? |
| 02:17:00 | tux_mike | it's a whole line. mine was the first of the line |
| 02:17:04 | warmi | what does it run ? |
| 02:17:16 | tux_mike | os? |
| 02:17:31 | warmi | no, I was asking what jlps 386 lapton runs .. |
| 02:17:36 | tux_mike | oh |
| 02:17:42 | warmi | I know, in you case tux. it has to be some sort of Linux |
| 02:17:43 | warmi | hehe |
| 02:17:57 | roge99 | i bet it runs slow |
| 02:18:04 | ljp | yes.. it runs.. DOS and windows 3.1 |
| 02:18:04 | roge99 | :-) |
| 02:18:04 | warmi | well, it runs .. |
| 02:18:09 | tux_mike | i've been able to run every intel os but be |
| 02:18:17 | warmi | windows 3.11 hehehehe |
| 02:18:26 | warmi | that's something I haven't heard about for a while |
| 02:18:29 | ljp | even has a modem! |
| 02:18:30 | tux_mike | i have an NEC versa 486 |
| 02:18:36 | peanut | yawns again |
| 02:18:52 | ljp | also ownes an Epson 486 laptop |
| 02:19:11 | warmi | 400Mhz is not that slow tux ... |
| 02:19:24 | tux_mike | warmi: and there's a big crack in the case right over where my left wrist rests |
| 02:19:37 | tux_mike | warmi: i'd like a new one as soon as i can |
| 02:19:42 | warmi | hah ... well, you should have been a bit more carefull with it :-) |
| 02:19:46 | peanut | just got a new server today! |
| 02:19:53 | tux_mike | i want to get a digital camera, and then a new laptop |
| 02:20:06 | peanut | very sweet box! |
| 02:20:11 | tux_mike | new toshiba sat 5005 |
| 02:20:13 | warmi | tux: a real one or the for the ZAurus ? |
| 02:20:21 | warmi | oh toshiba |
| 02:20:32 | warmi | I wonder how good is that one from Sharp |
| 02:20:35 | tux_mike | warmi: real camera |
| 02:20:41 | tux_mike | maybe the Z one later |
| 02:20:53 | KumaSan | warmi: the one for the Zaurus looked kindof neat, but way too low res to be tempting for me. |
| 02:21:02 | warmi | yeah ... that is true |
| 02:21:04 | tux_mike | the thing with the Z one is, i keep my Z with me at all times, unlike a camera |
| 02:21:12 | warmi_away | but it is rather cheap |
| 02:21:17 | KumaSan | warmi_away: on the otherhand, I'd pay for a 3+ megapixel CF camera to use in my Z |
| 02:21:20 | tux_mike | but very low res |
| 02:22:38 | NeoTron | is home |
| 02:22:45 | NeoTron | time to look at fixing up the IF port... |
| 02:22:49 | KumaSan | tux_mike: yeah, it looked to be about 640x500 or so. Not quite what I am willing to drop $170 on, CMOS sensor too, so less sensitive |
| 02:23:41 | tux_mike | KumaSan: yah, but it does have convienience value. i dunno. i woulnd't use it for more than some cheap snapshots |
| 02:24:48 | KumaSan | tux_mike: yea, probably fine for that. I am willing to wait a bit and see who else releases something like that. Even if it is a bit more expensive. I expect a lot of CF and SD stuff this year. Now I am waiting for an SD GPS card... |
| 02:25:11 | tux_mike | SD gps card... |
| 02:25:13 | tux_mike | interesting |
| 02:25:27 | tux_mike | where is the antenna? |
| 02:25:31 | tux_mike | sticking out the side? |
| 02:25:50 | KumaSan | tux_mike: what I would like to see would be a CF card that had a cable you plugged into a case with a large laptop HD (and battery of course) since CF is basically a simplified ATA interface, that should be doable |
| 02:26:06 | KumaSan | tux_mike: that or on a short cable I would guess |
| 02:26:15 | peanut | KumaSan: you're thinking too small |
| 02:26:26 | peanut | what you really want is a sd or cf bluetooth card |
| 02:26:29 | tux_mike | CF is a simplified PCMCIA interface, but pcmcia has ATA modes |
| 02:26:37 | peanut | then bluetooth your way to a bluetooth hard drive in your backpack |
| 02:26:45 | tux_mike | that'd be cool |
| 02:26:49 | peanut | forget the cables! |
| 02:26:54 | ][N-Flux | is gonna sell is armada |
| 02:26:58 | peanut | forget that shit known as IR |
| 02:27:07 | tux_mike | ir is only good for nothing |
| 02:27:21 | whardier | I don't like walkign around with large batteries in my backpack |
| 02:27:24 | whardier | or biking with it |
| 02:27:29 | whardier | or leaving it for 2 hours in the car |
| 02:27:35 | KumaSan | peanut: agreed, bluetooth will be the way to go, eventually. |
| 02:27:48 | tux_mike | whardier: i have a back-rack on my bike :) |
| 02:28:11 | KumaSan | wants a gyro battery pack with a pullcord. ziiiiiipppppp!!!!! good for 20 or 30 minutes.... |
| 02:28:27 | whardier | tux_mike does it protect you from battery acid leaking onto the tires then getting slung onto your butt? |
| 02:28:48 | KumaSan | whardier: probably adds to the joy of outdoor excersizing.... |
| 02:28:58 | whardier | heh |
| 02:29:08 | whardier | until we can all have a Mr. Fusion |
| 02:29:10 | whardier | things are gonna suck |
| 02:29:16 | tux_mike | whardier: why would i be using a non-sealed lead acid battery? |
| 02:29:26 | whardier | tux_mike gooed question |
| 02:29:35 | whardier | even dry cell batteries will eventually explode in heat |
| 02:29:39 | whardier | lets face it |
| 02:29:41 | whardier | its hot out there |
| 02:29:45 | whardier | in cars |
| 02:29:53 | whardier | or even with too much concentrated sun |
| 02:30:10 | whardier | having a backpack device with a full hard drive |
| 02:30:11 | whardier | wireless |
| 02:30:14 | tux_mike | whardier: your SLA battery in the engine compartment doesn't explode |
| 02:30:20 | whardier | all that crap is pretty useless until you can power it |
| 02:30:34 | whardier | tux_mike you wanna carry one around in your backpack? |
| 02:30:51 | tux_mike | and i've left dry cell batteries in my car all summer without them exploding |
| 02:30:57 | whardier | hehe |
| 02:31:00 | whardier | I guess I just fear it |
| 02:31:03 | tux_mike | whardier: i'm not that crazy |
| 02:31:16 | tux_mike | i'd cary li-ion on my back, sla on my bike :) |
| 02:31:35 | KumaSan | has a night scope that works off of a squeeze handle, wants a pda to do the same... |
| 02:32:12 | tux_mike | ok, this is the digi camera i want http://www.cdw.com/shop/products/default.asp?EDC=299696 |
| 02:32:31 | tux_mike | 6 megapixel |
| 02:32:53 | tux_mike | nikon F5 body *drool* |
| 02:33:13 | tux_mike | i wonder if it comes with a lense |
| 02:33:17 | tux_mike | lens |
| 02:33:23 | Bala | only 6600$ eh? |
| 02:33:34 | tux_mike | only |
| 02:33:35 | whardier | I just spent that much on wireless equipment today |
| 02:33:38 | whardier | well |
| 02:33:39 | whardier | - $100 |
| 02:33:48 | tux_mike | i can get it if i win the big game! |
| 02:34:18 | KumaSan | is away: I'm busy |
| 02:34:21 | Bala | i could get one if i got rid of my wife LOL |
| 02:34:30 | tux_mike | lol |
| 02:34:54 | tux_mike | i want a 5 mpix, SLR digi |
| 02:35:03 | whardier | hmm |
| 02:35:07 | Bala | or if my stock options hit 10$ :) LOL |
| 02:35:19 | whardier | I would love that kodak |
| 02:35:34 | whardier | can you give it a wlan card |
| 02:35:35 | whardier | ? |
| 02:35:36 | whardier | hahaha |
| 02:35:37 | tux_mike | i wonder if i can get a digital back for my camera |
| 02:35:41 | tux_mike | whardier: prolly not |
| 02:36:30 | tux_mike | http://www.cdw.com/shop/products/default.asp?EDC=373786 G** d*** this would be perfect, interchangable lenses with my film camera! |
| 02:37:31 | tux_mike | that, and a 1G microdrive would be perfect |
| 02:37:35 | tux_mike | fscking perfect |
| 02:38:17 | NeoTron | there IF code compiles |
| 02:38:23 | NeoTron | now I just need the glue |
| 02:38:44 | tux_mike | i have some water thin super glue if you want it :) |
| 02:40:24 | tux_mike | i knew i shouldn't have looked at the digital cameras |
| 02:41:21 | peanut | has a 1gb microdrive |
| 02:41:34 | peanut | its significanly slower than a regular compact flash card |
| 02:41:43 | tux_mike | is it? |
| 02:41:51 | tux_mike | the specs say it should be faster |
| 02:41:54 | peanut | nope.. |
| 02:42:02 | peanut | it takes me about 20 minutes to flash my Z |
| 02:42:11 | peanut | can you say ouch |
| 02:42:25 | KumaSan | is back (gone 00:08:03) |
| 02:42:40 | tux_mike | odd. |
| 02:43:42 | W1GGL1T | how long does it take to flash with regular CF? |
| 02:45:42 | ljp | 3-4 minutes |
| 02:47:01 | W1GGL1T | good lord |
| 02:54:09 | NeoTron | it's _slower_ ? how weird |
| 02:54:50 | peanut | yup |
| 02:55:28 | NeoTron | at least that it's that much slower |
| 02:55:38 | tux_mike | do static vars need initialization? |
| 02:55:54 | NeoTron | I believe so |
| 02:56:04 | NeoTron | there are various rules to default values but I don't remember |
| 02:56:11 | NeoTron | they do need declaration at least |
| 02:56:11 | tux_mike | hrm... it's not letting me initalize it, though |
| 02:56:25 | tux_mike | i have it in my constructor, but it's giving me link probs |
| 02:56:32 | NeoTron | well, you do class bar { static int foo; }; in the h-file |
| 02:56:41 | NeoTron | and int bar::foo = 0; in the c file |
| 02:56:51 | NeoTron | the last part is required |
| 02:56:55 | tux_mike | where in the c file? |
| 02:57:04 | NeoTron | anywhere after the inclusion of the h file |
| 02:57:09 | NeoTron | like a global variable |
| 02:57:26 | NeoTron | if you don't do it, the variable is declared but not defined (i.e there's no storage allocated for it) |
| 02:57:27 | tux_mike | hrm... |
| 02:58:20 | tux_mike | can you do this outside of a scope? |
| 03:00:44 | NeoTron | what do you mean? |
| 03:00:54 | tux_mike | i guess not |
| 03:02:44 | tux_mike | i guess so |
| 03:02:50 | tux_mike | anyway |
| 03:02:55 | tux_mike | i think i got that fixed |
| 03:03:15 | tux_mike | i shouldnt have gone looking for digital cameras today |
| 03:12:08 | whardier | OH MY GOOD GOLLY! |
| 03:12:19 | whardier | http://www.via-pc.com/DOWNLOAD/VIAIIPC.pdf |
| 03:12:23 | whardier | I want one REALLY BAD! |
| 03:12:49 | tux_mike | http://www.cdw.com/shop/products/default.asp?EDC=373786 |
| 03:12:55 | tux_mike | not as bad is I want this |
| 03:13:05 | tux_mike | the lenses work with my eos elan 3E |
| 03:13:35 | whardier | haha |
| 03:17:22 | kergoth | re |
| 03:18:09 | whardier | re re |
| 03:18:24 | whardier | http://www.transmeta.com/everywhere/products/mobile/via/via_wearable.html |
| 03:18:27 | kergoth | windy tonight. heavy storm headin this way |
| 03:18:27 | whardier | I am gonna need me one of these |
| 03:18:56 | kergoth | oo |
| 03:18:59 | kergoth | i want |
| 03:19:04 | whardier | no shit |
| 03:19:05 | ljp | kergoth: ya you must be getting the wind we had today |
| 03:19:08 | whardier | no shit no shot |
| 03:19:12 | whardier | man I want bad |
| 03:19:18 | whardier | it has 2 pcmcia slots! |
| 03:19:31 | kergoth | nice |
| 03:19:37 | kergoth | ljp: where you at again? |
| 03:19:58 | ljp | Co |
| 03:20:06 | kergoth | ah |
| 03:20:14 | ljp | about 45 miles south of whardier |
| 03:20:22 | whardier | hehe |
| 03:20:32 | whardier | I think that scares ljp |
| 03:20:38 | ljp | nope |
| 03:20:49 | whardier | someday my friend |
| 03:20:53 | whardier | we will split a pizza |
| 03:20:56 | ljp | except I know I'm not the only person in Co with a zaurus |
| 03:21:08 | whardier | or split a few pizza's |
| 03:21:12 | whardier | I wanna hear some good music damnit |
| 03:21:13 | kergoth | ive got a shitload of relatives out that way |
| 03:21:16 | ljp | but I bet I'm the only person in Co with TWO Z's |
| 03:21:23 | whardier | hmm |
| 03:21:24 | whardier | you got me there |
| 03:21:30 | whardier | scanline might have two soon tho |
| 03:21:37 | ljp | grrrrrr |
| 03:21:58 | ljp | well, then I'll have to actually buy one |
| 03:22:13 | kergoth | ehh |
| 03:22:20 | kergoth | whys he gettin another one whardier? |
| 03:22:26 | ljp | finally got that lcd light patch in .. |
| 03:22:29 | whardier | he broke his touchscreen |
| 03:22:29 | whardier | haha |
| 03:22:34 | kergoth | oh yeah.. |
| 03:22:37 | whardier | http://www.transmeta.com/everywhere/products/mobile/advantech/advantech_som2365.html |
| 03:22:37 | kergoth | broke the digitizer |
| 03:22:38 | kergoth | forgot |
| 03:22:43 | whardier | found the brainz for my outdoor wireless routers |
| 03:23:27 | tux_mike | damnit! the EOS D60 has no eye controled focus >< |
| 03:23:41 | whardier | tux_mike guess you are gonna have to use your fingers |
| 03:23:55 | ljp | and I finally got my opie x compile env going, so I can make a feed if I want |
| 03:23:55 | tux_mike | whardier: no, it's centered focus. |
| 03:24:13 | whardier | you can still use your fingers |
| 03:24:13 | kergoth | ljp: nice eh? |
| 03:24:14 | tux_mike | after having eye focus, centered focus is a pain |
| 03:24:15 | whardier | its all right |
| 03:24:22 | kergoth | ljp: be advised mkipks is broken |
| 03:24:33 | whardier | finds that hard to believe |
| 03:24:37 | ljp | ya, except I had to take todo out cause it wouldn't link to libopie for some reason |
| 03:24:43 | whardier | brb |
| 03:24:45 | tux_mike | whardier: i don't think you get the concept of eye-based autofocus |
| 03:24:47 | kergoth | had the same prob |
| 03:24:54 | whardier | tux_mike you afraid of fingers? |
| 03:25:00 | whardier | thats all I wanna know |
| 03:25:05 | tux_mike | whardier: i use AF most of the time |
| 03:25:07 | ljp | and also I took out nethack.. |
| 03:25:08 | whardier | also does photography |
| 03:25:15 | whardier | I know how it works |
| 03:25:17 | whardier | I am just giving you shit |
| 03:25:18 | tux_mike | ok |
| 03:25:24 | kergoth | ljp: hehe. nethack is a bit longer build.. and it builds every damned time, even if you just built it |
| 03:25:25 | whardier | hehe |
| 03:25:30 | tux_mike | manual focus on an af camera is a pain |
| 03:25:35 | ljp | didn;t like when I found my make was fetching files from somewhere else |
| 03:25:39 | tux_mike | necissary sometimes though |
| 03:25:39 | whardier | tux_mike naw |
| 03:25:46 | whardier | I like using old equipment |
| 03:25:54 | kergoth | ljp: loll.. thats all the oz3 buildsystem does ;-) |
| 03:25:55 | tux_mike | whardier: you have a lot less play, than with a manual focus |
| 03:26:00 | whardier | it just feels more natural |
| 03:26:02 | whardier | yeah |
| 03:26:04 | whardier | I like play |
| 03:26:09 | whardier | err |
| 03:26:15 | whardier | could you hold on a bit.. I need to go play brb |
| 03:26:16 | ljp | thats ok, if you are expecting it and know where its getting it from |
| 03:26:45 | kergoth | yup |
| 03:26:47 | kergoth | fuck |
| 03:26:52 | kergoth | i dont have the bash patch anymore |
| 03:27:09 | kergoth | bash's buildsystem tries to do an external test.. and they didnt define a default for when crosscompiling |
| 03:27:10 | kergoth | fuckers |
| 03:27:26 | ljp | idiots |
| 03:31:28 | tux_mike | hey warmi |
| 03:32:07 | kergoth | checking whether getpgrp takes no argument... configure: error: cannot check getpgrp if cross compiling |
| 03:32:07 | kergoth | make[2]: Entering directory `/home/kergoth/buildroot-oz/build/bash-2.05' |
| 03:32:07 | kergoth | make[2]: *** No targets specified and no makefile found. Stop. |
| 03:32:08 | warmi | I can't read half of pdfs I download and I am using latest Adobe PDF reader... wtf ? |
| 03:32:08 | kergoth | grr |
| 03:32:30 | kergoth | configure.in:445: warning: AC_TRY_RUN called without default to allow cross compiling |
| 03:32:38 | kergoth | stupid stupid |
| 03:32:42 | warmi | always some fucking colors missing or something and stuff comes either black or completely white |
| 03:32:51 | tux_mike | warmi: windows? |
| 03:32:57 | warmi | yeah |
| 03:33:03 | warmi | standard Adobe PDF reader |
| 03:33:20 | warmi | I mean, if Adobe cannot get this fucking format right , who else can ? |
| 03:33:32 | kergoth | i'm tempted to just disable these fucking external tests. grr |
| 03:33:32 | warmi | hehe |
| 03:33:58 | warmi | maybe people just create crappy PDFs .. |
| 03:34:51 | ljp | that good ol' AAC_TRY_RUN w/o defaults, eh? |
| 03:35:16 | ljp | hates configure |
| 03:35:23 | kergoth | yep |
| 03:35:24 | kergoth | me too |
| 03:35:28 | kergoth | autoconf annoys me to no end |
| 03:35:43 | kergoth | the more complex a system, the more places of possible failure. |
| 03:35:51 | kergoth | perfect example of that principle |
| 03:36:41 | ljp | hmm well, maybe I'll add that refresh to qipkg |
| 03:36:49 | kergoth | 'refresh'? |
| 03:38:27 | ljp | does qipkg not restart qpe after an install for a reason? |
| 03:38:38 | kergoth | apps seem to appear immediately |
| 03:38:41 | kergoth | iirc |
| 03:38:54 | ljp | really? so its not really needed.. hmmm |
| 03:39:03 | kergoth | i think it does a qcop call to refresh the tabs |
| 03:39:09 | kergoth | but i havent checked the code to verify |
| 03:39:55 | warmi | hell ... whenever I am here kergoth is always hacking at something ... I wish I was that productive |
| 03:40:00 | ljp | yep: QCopEnvelope e("QPE/System", "linkChanged(QString)"); |
| 03:40:07 | kergoth | warmi: lol.. |
| 03:40:10 | kergoth | ljp: yep, there ya go |
| 03:40:24 | ljp | well THAT was an easy project |
| 03:40:27 | kergoth | lol |
| 03:40:27 | ljp | :D |
| 03:40:33 | warmi | heh |
| 03:40:42 | kergoth | i found the prob.. i'm glad the AC_TRY_RUN failure was in a locally defined macro.. |
| 03:40:47 | kergoth | and not in some global one i cant touch |
| 03:41:09 | kergoth | any suggestions on a default for this? AC_MSG_CHECKING(whether pgrps need synchronization) |
| 03:41:32 | ljp | knows configure macros froma hole in the ground |
| 03:41:51 | ljp | err doesn't |
| 03:42:19 | ljp | my OZ Z is running OZ beta3++ |
| 03:42:44 | kergoth | ++? |
| 03:42:44 | kergoth | hah |
| 03:42:52 | kergoth | updated hotplug,oz-base,kernel-modules? |
| 03:43:03 | kergoth | btw is usb networking working for you? i need a tester to verify |
| 03:44:07 | ljp | nope, I haven't installed that yet.. I wanted to test a patch that was sent to me two or three weeks ago first |
| 03:44:39 | kergoth | ah thats cool |
| 03:46:15 | ljp | had to label my Z's so I dont flash the wrong one again |
| 03:47:07 | kergoth | whew |
| 03:47:11 | kergoth | got bash built for ya :-) |
| 03:47:20 | kergoth | i'll throw a package up to the feed shortly |
| 03:47:38 | ljp | right on! |
| 03:48:05 | KumaSan | ljp: have you flashed a 5500 to OZ 3? |
| 03:48:27 | kergoth | KumaSan: jason did. didnt have any problems other than the known bugs with oz3 at the time |
| 03:48:28 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:48:59 | kergoth | shit |
| 03:49:03 | kergoth | i dont remember what i did to fix it |
| 03:49:06 | kergoth | diff -urNd |
| 03:50:55 | KumaSan | kergoth: what known bugs He asked nervously? |
| 03:51:14 | kergoth | KumaSan: at the time? not much worked :-) |
| 03:51:17 | KumaSan | woohoo! got the crosscompiler set up for debian now. Soon I will learn QT and C++ |
| 03:51:24 | KumaSan | kergoth: that's a bug... |
| 03:51:24 | warmi | hehehe |
| 03:51:36 | warmi | you should have used RPM from Sharp |
| 03:51:41 | warmi | it has everything you need |
| 03:52:00 | kergoth | alien -d |
| 03:52:02 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:52:10 | warmi | hehe |
| 03:52:29 | warmi | sorry ... I forgot it is a debian system we are talking about |
| 03:52:38 | warmi | I am RH dude |
| 03:52:42 | KumaSan | well, alien seemed to do the job fine, once I realised that alien on the src.rpm was dumb :) |
| 03:52:50 | warmi | hehehe |
| 03:53:05 | kergoth | yeah alien doesnt know wtf to do with them |
| 03:53:07 | KumaSan | warmi: I liked SuSE well enough, but I have 7+ boxes to admin, and I find debian a lot easier for that |
| 03:53:20 | kergoth | which is stupid, i feel like adding alien support to convert the spec file |
| 03:53:26 | warmi | well, I run RH since 1996 or 97 |
| 03:53:38 | codemnky | TADA! |
| 03:53:44 | kergoth | codemnky: hey... |
| 03:53:52 | codemnky | i'm alive |
| 03:53:54 | warmi | I tried Debian once but got stuck on their package manager .. forgot to install X and later on was unable to figure out how to install using their manager .. |
| 03:53:57 | KumaSan | warmi: hehe. My first linux was MkLinux on a powermac clone in 95? 96? I forget which |
| 03:54:10 | codemnky | hey kergoth |
| 03:54:13 | warmi | so I said , fuck that .. I never had that many problems with RH and went back to Red hat |
| 03:54:15 | KumaSan | warmi: man, the world shifts when you grok apt... |
| 03:54:31 | kergoth | KumaSan: no kidding.. |
| 03:54:52 | warmi | I hope they do realize their package manager application sucks big time |
| 03:54:58 | kergoth | I started on slackware i 95.. then redhat, quickly went back to slackware. eventually found my way to debian and stayed there.. with the occasional bout into redhat to get RHCE and shit |
| 03:55:08 | KumaSan | intones "apt cannot be explained, it can only be experienced" oooommmmm |
| 03:55:09 | kergoth | warmi: hmm? the GUI for the package manager sucks |
| 03:55:21 | warmi | maybe debs are great but their definately need to come up with more user friendly front end |
| 03:55:23 | kergoth | warmi: the system itself is far superior to the rpm design |
| 03:55:26 | kergoth | warmi: yes, precisely |
| 03:55:32 | kergoth | :-) |
| 03:55:41 | kergoth | kde's package manager works admirably in debian |
| 03:55:42 | warmi | I am actually well versed in the rpm internals |
| 03:55:58 | KumaSan | warmi: I dunno, it's plenty friendly, just a little sharper learning curve. |
| 03:56:11 | kergoth | dselect sucks. |
| 03:56:15 | kergoth | lets just admit that up front |
| 03:56:17 | warmi | well, I don't doubt that |
| 03:56:27 | warmi | many people seem to like Debian a lot |
| 03:56:30 | KumaSan | kergoth: ick! agreed, apt beats dselect hollow imho. |
| 03:56:38 | KumaSan | warmi: I think it |
| 03:56:46 | kergoth | KumaSan: well, dselect is just a apt frontend |
| 03:56:49 | warmi | but I will stick with my good old RH ... it works so why fuck with anything else :-) |
| 03:56:52 | KumaSan | s a good second distro, don't advise it for newbies |
| 03:56:53 | kergoth | KumaSan: which is needed. but dselect does it badly |
| 03:57:00 | kergoth | I much much prefer conectiva to redhat |
| 03:57:06 | kergoth | despite their being based on redhat |
| 03:57:12 | KumaSan | warmi: absolutely. working systems should not be fucked with |
| 03:57:14 | kergoth | because they fix all of redhat's mistakes, and support apt for rpm :-) |
| 03:58:07 | KumaSan | kergoth: actually, I think dselect is a frontend for dpkg, as is apt, but I could be wrong there. If you want something more dselect like than apt, try aptitude. |
| 03:58:53 | warmi | hehehe ... I see I got something going here |
| 03:58:54 | warmi | hehe |
| 03:59:13 | kergoth | KumaSan: apt is a access method for dpkg. dselect is a apt/dpkg interface, as is aptitude. |
| 03:59:14 | warmi | are you guys using Xfree ? |
| 03:59:17 | kergoth | yeah |
| 03:59:30 | kergoth | waits impatiently for xfree 4.2.0 debian packages |
| 03:59:35 | KumaSan | kergoth: ah, I stand corrected |
| 03:59:43 | kergoth | and kde3 packages |
| 03:59:58 | KumaSan | kergoth: yes, I am awaiting 4.2 with no small amount of impatience, I also want to try KDE 3 |
| 04:00:17 | warmi | do they still refuse to include kde in their base distro ? |
| 04:00:25 | kergoth | warmi: no.. kde2.2 is included |
| 04:00:33 | KumaSan | kergoth: I installed gentoo on a spare partition on this laptop, haven't had a chance to play with it yet but it has XF4.2 and KDE3 |
| 04:00:33 | kergoth | warmi: which i always use :-) |
| 04:00:35 | warmi | ah .. so they are just behind |
| 04:00:37 | ljp | kergoth: is there anything special I need to do to get usbd working? |
| 04:00:48 | kergoth | warmi: yeah its just a long process.. especially for quality control |
| 04:01:07 | kergoth | ljp: nope.. install the new hotplug oz-base and kernel modules.. make sure /etc/modules contains usbdmonitor |
| 04:01:12 | KumaSan | ljp: follow the usb-ethernet howto, worked great for me once I changed uhci drivers |
| 04:01:23 | kergoth | KumaSan: he's using openzaurus 3 beta3 |
| 04:01:31 | warmi | huh ?? it is only a desktop GUI we are talking about :-) not like it wil crash and burn the whole system heheh |
| 04:01:37 | kergoth | warmi: lol.. |
| 04:01:42 | KumaSan | kergoth: I am tempted to try that. But I think I will wait a while |
| 04:01:45 | kergoth | hey treke |
| 04:01:57 | kergoth | KumaSan: yeah i'd wait for things to settle a bit. i'm nailing the bugs fairly quickly |
| 04:01:58 | warmi | Kuma: do you code ? |
| 04:02:04 | KumaSan | how do I pack an executable and .desktop file into an ipkg? |
| 04:02:23 | ljp | kergoth: /etc/modules? |
| 04:02:35 | KumaSan | warmi: only in old assembler, obsolet mainframe langueages and python :) but I am rectifying that |
| 04:03:05 | warmi | Kuma: well, you can untar and unguzip any ipks and see how its internall layout .. |
| 04:03:12 | warmi | that's how I learned this stuff :-) |
| 04:03:26 | warmi | ipk is basically a gzipped and tarred bunch of files |
| 04:03:30 | KumaSan | warmi: doh! okay, it's late, and I have had no whiskey.... that's my excuse |
| 04:03:44 | kergoth | ljp: /etc/modules is a file of what modules to autoload on bootup |
| 04:03:54 | kergoth | ljp: such as the mmcsd module and the usbd monitor |
| 04:04:21 | warmi | do you have Qtopia SDK installed Kuma ? |
| 04:04:36 | warmi | if you do then there is a script there that will do ipkg for you |
| 04:04:38 | ljp | I had to enter usbdmonitor to that file |
| 04:04:41 | KumaSan | warmi: yup, just aliened it |
| 04:05:04 | warmi | in /opt/Qtopia/bin there a package called mkipks or soemthing like that |
| 04:05:05 | KumaSan | warmi: cool, I haven't really poked around yet, was reading the dev howto |
| 04:05:16 | kergoth | ljp: k, you're on rev5 of oz-base? i may have missed that |
| 04:05:21 | KumaSan | warmi: didn's someone just say there's a bug with that? |
| 04:05:29 | kergoth | mkipks sucks |
| 04:05:33 | kergoth | quite badly actually |
| 04:05:37 | warmi | well, it is not perfect but it works for me |
| 04:05:42 | kergoth | especially with regard to dealing with the new ipkg/C |
| 04:05:57 | kergoth | KumaSan: I would recommend the use of hte offical ipkg builder from handhelds.org cvs |
| 04:06:03 | warmi | I have packaged two relatively widely used apps with it and had no complains so far |
| 04:06:06 | | ipkg is the Itsy Package Management System used by Familiar: http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/iPKG or find the source in the handhelds.org CVS http://cvs.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/familiar/dist/ipkg/ |
| 04:06:06 | kergoth | ibot: ipkg? |
| 04:06:41 | treke | theres an ipkg builder? I always figured people just made them by hand :) |
| 04:06:44 | warmi | yeah, but kergoth is right .. eventually I will have to switch to the real thing |
| 04:07:03 | kergoth | treke: hehe. we're lazy, of course there's a builder |
| 04:07:05 | kergoth | :-) |
| 04:07:08 | treke | :-) |
| 04:07:12 | warmi | I did make some of them by hand but it is rather error prone |
| 04:07:22 | kergoth | yeah i've had manually built ipks not even install |
| 04:07:25 | kergoth | i avoid it |
| 04:07:35 | ljp | kergoth: I thought so, qipkg said rev3 |
| 04:07:45 | kergoth | hmm |
| 04:07:46 | kergoth | odd |
| 04:07:49 | warmi | you forget to gzip this or include that ... ehh |
| 04:07:52 | kergoth | perhaps you manually made the symlinks? |
| 04:08:03 | kergoth | if you manually made the symlinks, it wont upgrade because it wont overwrite your versions |
| 04:08:05 | kergoth | hehe |
| 04:09:39 | ljp | hmm.. which symlinks? |
| 04:09:54 | kergoth | collie_fl->fl /proc/mounts->/etc/mtab |
| 04:10:02 | kergoth | i added those properly to the base package |
| 04:10:09 | ljp | ok |
| 04:12:34 | ljp | bingo |
| 04:12:50 | kergoth | woot |
| 04:13:05 | kergoth | fyi, you can manually run syslogd & klogd.. it creates /var/log/messages.. it rocks! |
| 04:13:06 | kergoth | hehe |
| 04:13:08 | kergoth | :-) |
| 04:13:31 | ljp | cool |
| 04:13:46 | ljp | same default ip? |
| 04:13:53 | kergoth | cat /etc/hotplug/usbd.conf |
| 04:13:57 | kergoth | thats your ip config |
| 04:14:05 | kergoth | until i integrate it into the standard networking config |
| 04:14:21 | kergoth | i HATE that they implemented it independently instead of integrating it into the rest of the os |
| 04:14:23 | kergoth | mutters |
| 04:14:59 | kergoth | shit! |
| 04:15:04 | kergoth | i forgot what i did to fix the bash build |
| 04:15:07 | kergoth | damnit danit |
| 04:16:47 | warmi | kergoth: do you support multiple languages ( alphabets) in OPIE ? |
| 04:17:06 | warmi | Qtopia seems to be devoid of any such support |
| 04:17:46 | kergoth | warmi: they both have support, its just no one ever bothered to add the other languages |
| 04:17:55 | treke | warmi : should be, it's unicode text |
| 04:18:01 | kergoth | warmi: the opie i18n maintainer has added a shitload of languages.. i dont know where they're all at, at this point |
| 04:18:06 | ljp | kergoth: not working.. :( |
| 04:18:10 | kergoth | warmi: take a look at cvs |
| 04:18:12 | kergoth | ljp: shit |
| 04:18:16 | kergoth | ljp: it worked on mine! grr |
| 04:18:31 | kergoth | ljp: run syslogd & klogd |
| 04:18:32 | warmi | yeah, I saw all their code running QString thru tr but I never seen anything using it |
| 04:18:49 | warmi | yeah, I am looking at cs right now |
| 04:18:51 | kergoth | ljp: plug the unit into the cradle, unplug.. check /var/log/messages for anything |
| 04:18:53 | warmi | cvs |
| 04:19:38 | ljp | hmm modules 20011228.. hmm |
| 04:19:56 | kergoth | ljp: also, edit /etc/hotplug/hotplug.functions .. uncomment the DEBUG line |
| 04:20:18 | kergoth | i hate it when i fix something on my unit, but dont recall every little step i did |
| 04:20:18 | kergoth | lol |
| 04:20:32 | ljp | hehehe |
| 04:20:40 | ljp | thats why I'm here |
| 04:20:49 | kergoth | uncomment debug.. then plug & unplug, then check var/log/messages again |
| 04:21:13 | kergoth | also, verify that /etc/*.agent and /etc/usbdnet are executable |
| 04:21:31 | kergoth | s/\/etc\//\/etc\/hotplug\//; |
| 04:23:10 | kergoth | ljp: okay i decided to lie to configure instead of fixing it |
| 04:23:22 | kergoth | ljp: i set CC=gcc and then ran it, so it thinks i'm not crosscompiling |
| 04:23:23 | kergoth | ljp: hehe |
| 04:23:30 | Austin | introduces kergoth to hash marks. |
| 04:23:42 | kergoth | Austin: hah |
| 04:24:17 | kergoth | Austin: i know, but i was halfway through the regex when i decided to change seperators.. and i'm like oh fuck it, i'm too lazy to erase the first half and type it again properly |
| 04:24:18 | kergoth | lol |
| 04:24:25 | Austin | Hehe. |
| 04:25:23 | ljp | usdb.agent & usbdnet were not executable |
| 04:25:28 | kergoth | ah.. |
| 04:25:44 | kergoth | of all the stupid things to cause trouble.. |
| 04:25:46 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:26:00 | ljp | still no go |
| 04:26:04 | kergoth | hmm |
| 04:26:07 | kergoth | messages? |
| 04:26:27 | kergoth | basically, need to verify whether or not the desktop is able to assign it a usb device address or not |
| 04:26:36 | kergoth | also, do a depmod -a |
| 04:26:44 | kergoth | and try rmmod usbdmonitor; modprobe usbdmonitor; |
| 04:26:46 | kendrick2 | re |
| 04:26:49 | kendrick2 | anyone know what happened to #sourceforge ??? |
| 04:26:50 | kergoth | hey bill |
| 04:26:53 | kergoth | no idea |
| 04:26:57 | kendrick2 | *** #sourceforge Nick/channel is temporarily unavailable |
| 04:27:03 | kergoth | odd |
| 04:27:07 | treke | It got thrown off for being closed source? |
| 04:27:11 | kendrick2 | heh |
| 04:27:12 | kergoth | hah |
| 04:27:20 | kendrick2 | i need 'real' urls for the tos & stuff |
| 04:27:35 | kendrick2 | i can see them if i'm logged in & registering a doc, but i want to be able to email someone an url and say "see? here's the tos?" |
| 04:27:41 | kendrick2 | without them having to figure out how to make an account and shit |
| 04:27:47 | kendrick2 | (in case they decide against using sf.net) |
| 04:31:23 | KumaSan | in the ipkg control file, the installed size is *not* the size of the binary, at least not on the ext3 fs I am building the ipkg in, how do you calculate that size? (doing it by hand to get feel for ipkg format) |
| 04:31:55 | kergoth | KumaSan: that size should be the size of everything in data.tar.gz |
| 04:31:59 | kergoth | iirc |
| 04:32:02 | kendrick2 | du -s ;) |
| 04:32:11 | KumaSan | kergoth: ok, thanks |
| 04:32:14 | kergoth | hehh |
| 04:33:03 | warmi | does ipkg even check that field during the installation ? |
| 04:33:07 | KumaSan | kergoth: hm, that doesn't fit with the .ipkgs I have here, the isntalled size is larger than the .ipk file |
| 04:33:30 | kergoth | KumaSan: dunno then. read the ipkg-build script on handhelds cvs. that builds the ipkgs |
| 04:33:34 | NeoTron | cool, IF links. :P |
| 04:34:08 | warmi | IF ? |
| 04:34:30 | ljp | kergoth: messages: hotplug script timed out |
| 04:34:39 | kergoth | hotplug script timed out? |
| 04:34:40 | kergoth | hmm |
| 04:34:45 | kendrick2 | runs for a bit |
| 04:34:52 | kergoth | did it accept a usb device id from the desktop? (dmesg on the desktop) |
| 04:35:09 | KumaSan | kergoth: damn, you mean I have to read and stuff before I understand it? what a gyp :) thanks for the url |
| 04:35:30 | kergoth | hah |
| 04:35:31 | kergoth | np |
| 04:35:44 | kergoth | its in familiar/dist/ipkg/util iirc on cvs |
| 04:35:45 | ljp | kergoth: nope |
| 04:35:48 | warmi | hehe |
| 04:35:58 | kergoth | ljp: hmmm.. tried unloading and modprobe usbdmonitor manually right? |
| 04:36:06 | codemnky | miss me |
| 04:36:10 | ljp | ya.. lemme do it again |
| 04:36:17 | kergoth | ljp: i'll have to flash my unit with a fresh initrd + kernel and fix it again.. lol |
| 04:36:20 | codemnky | kergoth: new openZ? |
| 04:36:21 | kergoth | damnit damnit |
| 04:36:31 | kergoth | codemnky: well we're rapidly approaching beta4 of oz3 |
| 04:38:16 | whardier | who here is an iptables god? |
| 04:38:22 | ljp | modprobe says nothing |
| 04:38:31 | warmi | it isn't "highly beta" anymore ?? |
| 04:38:34 | kergoth | ljp: dmesg show any messages from usbdmonitor on load? |
| 04:38:34 | warmi | just beta ? |
| 04:38:39 | KumaSan | kergoth: cool... |
| 04:38:39 | kergoth | warmi: just beta :) |
| 04:38:50 | warmi | heh |
| 04:39:21 | kergoth | ljp: fyi, bash is in the oz3 feed |
| 04:41:06 | kergoth | ljp: i'm comparing my Z to whats in oz3 cvs.. |
| 04:41:15 | kergoth | ljp: try echo net >/etc/hotplug/usbd.ftype |
| 04:41:19 | ljp | ok.. I'll work on that it :) |
| 04:41:48 | kendrick2 | what's the casio e-200? |
| 04:41:56 | kendrick2 | someone on usenet is asking for help deciding between it and zaurus |
| 04:42:06 | kendrick2 | and wants to know why the e-200 costs 2x as much, even tho it appears to have the same specs |
| 04:42:20 | kergoth | because they're charging too much? |
| 04:42:22 | kergoth | i have no idea |
| 04:42:23 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:42:27 | kendrick2 | haha - dork |
| 04:42:32 | warmi | you mean E-200 CASSIOPEIA ? |
| 04:42:39 | kendrick2 | uhh.. sure? |
| 04:42:49 | kendrick2 | i know nothing about the casio stuff |
| 04:43:00 | kendrick2 | just palm and zaurus and agenda and a tiny teeny bit of pocketpc |
| 04:43:03 | warmi | it doesn't cost 2x as much |
| 04:43:05 | warmi | $579.99 |
| 04:43:13 | warmi | and it is just another PPC 2002 device |
| 04:43:27 | warmi | maybe he is talking about something different |
| 04:43:40 | warmi | http://www.casio.com/personalpcs/product.cfm?section=19&market=0&product=4146 |
| 04:44:26 | kergoth | shit its hot in here.. |
| 04:44:27 | kergoth | ugh |
| 04:45:07 | warmi | agenda: that's like a bad omen .... I bet folks at Sharp say some prayers every time someone mentions Agenda |
| 04:45:08 | warmi | heh |
| 04:45:20 | kendrick2 | he's in canadia |
| 04:45:32 | kendrick2 | haha |
| 04:45:39 | kendrick2 | agenda, like the zaurus, was released too early |
| 04:45:49 | kendrick2 | agenda, unlike the zaurus, was sensible and used a non-root user for running apps |
| 04:46:00 | warmi | and agenda, unlike the zaurus, was backed by a small company nobody ever heard about |
| 04:46:02 | kendrick2 | agenda, unlike the zaurus, was owned by a crappy little HK company that's in disarray ;) |
| 04:46:09 | kendrick2 | high-fives warmi |
| 04:46:10 | warmi | heehe |
| 04:46:48 | warmi | what kind of CPU does Agenda have ? |
| 04:46:49 | kergoth | shit, i cant make usbd networking fail on my Z. it just works. |
| 04:46:51 | kergoth | reflashes |
| 04:46:56 | KumaSan | warmi: the agenda had it's pluses, cheap, decent hw, except that mine reboots if I twist the case slightly :) |
| 04:46:58 | kendrick2 | 66MHz MIPS |
| 04:47:04 | kendrick2 | yeah... cheap :) |
| 04:47:06 | warmi | HAHAHAHA |
| 04:47:16 | kendrick2 | hey, it ran X11 and FLTK quickly enough |
| 04:47:19 | kendrick2 | i wrote 4 games for it :) |
| 04:47:31 | warmi | I would say that pretty much cancels whatever pluses it might have |
| 04:47:36 | kendrick2 | :^P |
| 04:47:44 | ljp | kergoth: |
| 04:47:44 | kendrick2 | the interface in the apps made sense, tho |
| 04:47:49 | kendrick2 | unlike this pocketpc wannabe crap :) |
| 04:47:54 | kendrick2 | (tho i'm used to it <ergh>) |
| 04:47:59 | warmi | yeah |
| 04:48:00 | ljp | kergoth: :D!! |
| 04:48:03 | warmi | that's got to be it |
| 04:48:04 | warmi | :-) |
| 04:48:05 | KumaSan | the agenda makes a nice little pda, although it didn't supplant my Visor, but the Z did :) |
| 04:48:06 | kergoth | ljp: ? |
| 04:48:07 | kendrick2 | i'm irritated every time i run a game on the zaurus and when i quit, it kills my game |
| 04:48:09 | kendrick2 | it's a FUCKING PDA |
| 04:48:09 | ljp | kergoth: my theory was correct |
| 04:48:13 | kendrick2 | ACT LIKE ONE! |
| 04:48:15 | kergoth | ljp: it works with bash? |
| 04:48:18 | kendrick2 | shakes the KDE koder kiddies |
| 04:48:21 | ljp | I have a embeddedkonsole |
| 04:48:36 | kergoth | ljp: woot! wtf is embeddedkonsole trying to do that ash cant? |
| 04:48:38 | kendrick2 | KumaSan: yeah... the pims on the vr3 weren't good enough.. |
| 04:48:43 | warmi | what do you mean , "when I quit " ? |
| 04:48:44 | kendrick2 | i carried my palm and my vr3 around |
| 04:48:51 | ljp | its busybos that can't do it |
| 04:49:03 | kergoth | yeah, but the question is, do what? |
| 04:49:04 | ljp | sh was symlink to busybox.. |
| 04:49:06 | kergoth | what broke it? |
| 04:49:17 | KumaSan | kendrick2: they missed it by *that* much. That and the limited expansion. i.e. none |
| 04:49:42 | ljp | color ls, even |
| 04:49:45 | warmi | does anyone know how many devices they managed to sell before going under ? |
| 04:49:57 | kendrick2 | warmi - solitaire, vectoroids, go, wordgame... those are the only ones i can think of that act sensibly |
| 04:50:09 | kergoth | ljp: hmmm.. thats so weird. |
| 04:50:27 | kergoth | ljp: well if thats the case, i'll disable ash in busybox and build bash by default |
| 04:50:39 | ljp | ya, its kinda too bad busybox sh doesn't work.. bash is big |
| 04:50:46 | kergoth | ljp: but i want to know why it failed. i'd like to push a fix to busybox upstream |
| 04:50:48 | kergoth | yeah |
| 04:51:00 | warmi | kendrick: working on any news ports for the Z ? |
| 04:51:13 | warmi | new ports, that is |
| 04:51:32 | ljp | are ash and sh totally compatible? |
| 04:51:41 | kergoth | ljp: you realize two of the most critical oz3 bugs are about gone now :-) |
| 04:51:49 | warmi | hehehe |
| 04:51:51 | kergoth | ljp: iirc, yeah. sh is supposed to be POSIX compliant |
| 04:52:00 | kergoth | i think ash is |
| 04:52:17 | kendrick2 | warmi: not yet |
| 04:52:22 | kendrick2 | home sick today, doing lug stuff |
| 04:52:34 | ljp | still needs usbd working |
| 04:52:34 | kendrick2 | had elections & some bylaw changes last night, so i had to do a lot of site updates :) |
| 04:52:38 | warmi | you guys definalte need to split a pizza |
| 04:52:49 | kendrick2 | ? |
| 04:52:52 | kergoth | ljp: i'm working on it. i probably missed something really really basic. expect a fix soon |
| 04:53:05 | warmi | I was talking to ljp and kerg |
| 04:53:08 | ljp | color ls is kool |
| 04:53:12 | kergoth | yeah i love it |
| 04:53:18 | kergoth | the first item being red all the time is annoying though |
| 04:53:18 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:53:23 | kergoth | should fix that |
| 04:53:38 | warmi | kendrick: I know you have like a crap load of games on your site |
| 04:53:43 | warmi | you can port it all :-) |
| 04:54:12 | ljp | I wonder if that line in embeddedkonsole "/bin/sh" might be changed to "/bin/ash" |
| 04:54:14 | warmi | I liked vectoroids a lot |
| 04:54:18 | ljp | and work |
| 04:54:58 | kergoth | ljp: hmm.. perhaps busybox doesnt like being called as sh? he does look at ARGV[0]... |
| 04:55:04 | ljp | warmi: PapJohns is on line! :D |
| 04:55:05 | kergoth | ljp: still, thats odd |
| 04:55:11 | kendrick2 | so warmi, did you get what i meant? |
| 04:55:22 | kendrick2 | like, if i'm playing kpacman, and need to quit, i'd like to be able to pick up where i left off |
| 04:55:29 | kendrick2 | this is something i'm used to from PalmOS games |
| 04:55:44 | warmi | well, in PalmOS it wasn't a real quite |
| 04:55:54 | kendrick2 | warmi: sure it was :) |
| 04:56:14 | ljp | plays with embeddedkonsol on OZ |
| 04:56:16 | kendrick2 | galax needed to 'restart', but when you got to the main menu, there was a big pretty 'Continue' button (that's what i do in vectoroids) |
| 04:56:20 | warmi | well, with my game, you can always save the level and later restore it :-) |
| 04:56:23 | kendrick2 | i just mmap to and from disk :) quite simple |
| 04:56:25 | warmi | next best thing :-) |
| 04:56:36 | warmi | yeah, I know .. I read that PalmOS does soemthing like that |
| 04:56:43 | ljp | ncurses is less buggy also |
| 04:56:45 | kergoth | ljp: hehe. having fun? man having a console in opie again will be a dream |
| 04:56:57 | kergoth | ah good |
| 04:57:42 | ljp | ya, I'm gonna try that /bin/ash thing.. just in case it does woek, we can save a bit of space |
| 04:58:10 | kergoth | yeah, let me know how it goes |
| 04:59:05 | kendrick2 | the games i have which DON'T save state include: Asteroids, Eligo, Froot, kbill, KCheckers, Kpacman, Madbomber (i'll fix it!), ParaShoot, Puzz-le (it has saved games, tho), Snake, Strat. Assault, and Tetrix |
| 04:59:20 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:59:26 | warmi | you are right ... I just noticed that Patience does that |
| 04:59:32 | kergoth | i cant believe sammy hagar and david lee roth are going to tour together |
| 04:59:35 | kergoth | just odd |
| 05:00:18 | warmi | well, with puzz-le you can have multiple levels sets which means you can have many different save games at the same time on the file system |
| 05:00:34 | whardier | hmm I might get to go to hawaii |
| 05:00:38 | whardier | on business! |
| 05:00:45 | kergoth | hah.. nice |
| 05:00:53 | whardier | wireless install to a dry dock |
| 05:01:25 | warmi | fuck... I can't figure out how to beat level 26 in my game ... and I came up with it in the first place |
| 05:01:29 | warmi | that's just sad |
| 05:01:39 | kergoth | lol |
| 05:01:56 | whardier | make a computer do it |
| 05:02:23 | warmi | no, I have to take a peek at the recorded game |
| 05:02:30 | kendrick2 | heh |
| 05:02:35 | kendrick2 | can you record mid-play? |
| 05:02:36 | warmi | ( recorded games show how to solve the levels) |
| 05:02:38 | kergoth | waits for numerous MTD_write messages to scroll past |
| 05:02:38 | kendrick2 | or just between levels? |
| 05:02:43 | kendrick2 | warmi - really? cool! |
| 05:02:45 | kendrick2 | checks |
| 05:02:45 | warmi | anytime |
| 05:03:11 | kendrick2 | you need more sfx in puzz-le |
| 05:03:12 | warmi | it simply records your input (keboard or stylus) associated with timestamp and then you can replay it |
| 05:03:21 | kendrick2 | fireworks noises... blips when you move the pieces |
| 05:03:36 | warmi | kend: I know .. but I had only QSound to work with which is rather terrible |
| 05:03:45 | kendrick2 | is this in demo work? |
| 05:03:45 | warmi | I did not have time for porting other stuff |
| 05:03:49 | kendrick2 | s/work/mode/ |
| 05:04:05 | warmi | Puzz-le is a quite a big game as it is |
| 05:04:08 | warmi | demo mode , yes |
| 05:04:23 | warmi | demo mode replays the recorded games |
| 05:04:27 | whardier | ohman I would love to be here http://www.ifa.hawaii.edu/images/aerial-tour/northeast.html |
| 05:04:45 | KumaSan | later all, have to play with my Z now.... |
| 05:04:56 | warmi | to record you need to start the program with a command line argument .. |
| 05:05:01 | warmi | I don't remember exactly now |
| 05:05:06 | warmi | later Kuma |
| 05:05:47 | kendrick2 | level 8 was HARD |
| 05:06:01 | warmi | kendrick: my next thing after phalax will be River Raid port with the latest graphics etc .. |
| 05:06:09 | warmi | I always wanted to do this |
| 05:06:13 | kendrick2 | 'port'? |
| 05:06:14 | kendrick2 | or clone? |
| 05:06:18 | warmi | clone , sorry |
| 05:06:20 | kendrick2 | river raid would be cool :) |
| 05:06:22 | kendrick2 | i'd help if you want |
| 05:06:25 | kendrick2 | tho i don't do qt :( |
| 05:06:26 | kendrick2 | or c++ :( |
| 05:06:27 | kergoth | ljp: |
| 05:06:31 | kergoth | ljp: found it ;-) |
| 05:06:33 | warmi | yeah,I loved that game |
| 05:06:35 | kendrick2 | brb |
| 05:06:42 | ljp | kergoth: I rebooted and get cannot find libncurses.so.5 no such file, and drops to console |
| 05:06:59 | kergoth | ljp: vi /sbin/hotplug. Change '. hotplug.functions' to '. /etc/hotplug/hotplug.functions'.. |
| 05:07:10 | kergoth | ljp: ah.. yeah thats because LD_LIBRARY_PATH isnt set at that point in system startup |
| 05:07:18 | kergoth | ljp: install ldconfig and create a ld.so.cache |
| 05:07:52 | warmi | alright , time to get some sleep |
| 05:07:54 | warmi | see you later |
| 05:08:02 | kendrick2 | cya warmi |
| 05:09:54 | ljp | crap: file system is read only |
| 05:09:58 | kergoth | ? |
| 05:10:08 | kergoth | crap: <-you're talking to crap? |
| 05:10:10 | kergoth | lol |
| 05:10:22 | ljp | heh |
| 05:10:31 | kergoth | is tired, can ya tell? |
| 05:10:35 | ljp | should have beeb crap! |
| 05:10:44 | ljp | heh me also |
| 05:11:25 | ljp | may have to flash again |
| 05:11:34 | kergoth | changed the default shell to bash? |
| 05:11:47 | ljp | ln -s bash sh |
| 05:11:51 | kergoth | ah |
| 05:11:56 | kergoth | should i add ldconfig to the rootfs? |
| 05:12:12 | kergoth | maybe i'll create a seperate package for it |
| 05:12:20 | ljp | perhaps.. maybe for now. |
| 05:15:01 | kergoth | hmm |
| 05:15:15 | ljp | ?? |
| 05:15:20 | kergoth | how do i create a ld.so.cache for the dirs within an alternate root? |
| 05:15:33 | kergoth | i could copy ldconfig into the root, then chroot. then run it.. but thats a pain |
| 05:15:43 | kergoth | fyi, that hotplug fix worked |
| 05:15:57 | ljp | the sbin one? |
| 05:15:57 | kergoth | i'll copy the next revision of the hotplug package to SF |
| 05:16:00 | kergoth | ljp: yup |
| 05:16:06 | kergoth | ljp: that, and the permissions change |
| 05:16:14 | ljp | cool |
| 05:16:16 | kergoth | then you rmmod usbdmonitor and modprobe again.. and it loads the modules it needs |
| 05:16:19 | kergoth | works fine after that |
| 05:17:02 | kendrick2 | neo! |
| 05:17:03 | kendrick2 | need png! |
| 05:17:04 | kendrick2 | :) |
| 05:17:23 | whardier | haha |
| 05:17:28 | whardier | I might go from St Paul Alaska |
| 05:17:31 | whardier | to Hawaii |
| 05:17:35 | whardier | what a mind blow |
| 05:17:40 | kergoth | hah |
| 05:17:46 | kergoth | nice improvement tho |
| 05:17:54 | whardier | yeah.. except I wanna pay my rent |
| 05:18:01 | kergoth | heh |
| 05:18:03 | whardier | this would do it |
| 05:18:07 | whardier | but a few days too late |
| 05:18:19 | whardier | man |
| 05:18:20 | whardier | MAN |
| 05:18:22 | whardier | oh MAN! |
| 05:18:24 | whardier | grr |
| 05:18:24 | whardier | hahaha |
| 05:18:26 | kergoth | woot, ldconfig -r was what i needed |
| 05:18:29 | kergoth | whardier: ? |
| 05:18:38 | whardier | well.. this guy is so spontanious |
| 05:18:48 | whardier | the guy that wants me to do all this for him |
| 05:18:59 | whardier | "well lets just tack it onto the end of your trip" |
| 05:19:23 | whardier | "oh and can you set up 2.4ghz video cameras all over the place so we can have multi views of the dry dock at all times?" |
| 05:19:36 | whardier | pulls a 2.4ghz video camera out of his pocket |
| 05:20:20 | ljp | wonders if whardier needs any help in Hawaii? |
| 05:20:24 | whardier | haha |
| 05:20:28 | kendrick2 | runs off to code |
| 05:20:30 | whardier | you have to go to alaska with me first |
| 05:20:56 | whardier | ljp feel free to scout out places that need wireless installs |
| 05:21:00 | whardier | from simple to REALLY complex |
| 05:21:09 | whardier | you can help being one of the install monkeys! |
| 05:21:41 | ljp | has lived in Alaska before.. |
| 05:22:07 | whardier | no shit |
| 05:22:10 | whardier | you never told me that |
| 05:22:22 | ljp | :) Girdwood |
| 05:22:25 | whardier | HAHAHA |
| 05:22:30 | whardier | that is where my grant writer lives |
| 05:22:38 | whardier | he took me to the strip bar! |
| 05:22:39 | ljp | I have lots of friends near Juneau |
| 05:22:58 | whardier | ljp do you know Evan Cutler? |
| 05:23:01 | whardier | just checking.. |
| 05:23:05 | whardier | he used to live here as well |
| 05:23:21 | ljp | nope |
| 05:23:24 | whardier | ok |
| 05:23:24 | whardier | haha |
| 05:23:39 | whardier | he runs a radio station in girdwood |
| 05:23:48 | ljp | hmm really? |
| 05:23:55 | whardier | yeah.. I forget which one |
| 05:24:09 | whardier | he is trying to find a way to do wireless there as well for the radio uplink to the tower |
| 05:24:10 | ljp | I remember a three day snow storm there.. |
| 05:24:17 | whardier | that would suck |
| 05:24:26 | ljp | I'm a skiier.. :) |
| 05:24:34 | ljp | woot! |
| 05:25:05 | kergoth | ljp: does usbd networking like you yet? |
| 05:25:09 | whardier | brb |
| 05:25:30 | ljp | haven't gotten that far. I had to reflash |
| 05:25:38 | kergoth | ah yeah.. |
| 05:25:40 | kergoth | forgot |
| 05:25:56 | ljp | got stuck in read-only land |
| 05:27:13 | roge99 | is away: zzZZzz |
| 05:28:33 | scanline | is away: ZzZzz |
| 05:29:09 | kergoth | ljp: updated hotplug in the feed to fix permissions and the /sbin/hotplug fix |
| 05:30:04 | ljp | ok.. what was that other ipk? |
| 05:30:15 | kergoth | the previous hotplug rev? |
| 05:30:28 | kergoth | or..? |
| 05:30:38 | ljp | oz base hotplug and ?? |
| 05:30:44 | kergoth | kernel-modules |
| 05:30:53 | kergoth | dont forget pcmcia-cs if you like automount |
| 05:30:54 | ljp | ahh |
| 05:30:55 | kergoth | hehe |
| 05:31:41 | ljp | ya thats on the flash cf |
| 05:31:43 | whardier | hi |
| 05:31:50 | whardier | now running 2.4.18 |
| 05:32:04 | whardier | lets see how much my computer does not suck having mosix enabled but not used |
| 05:32:08 | ljp | took you awhile |
| 05:32:11 | whardier | well |
| 05:32:12 | whardier | jesus |
| 05:32:16 | whardier | I had mosix enabled |
| 05:32:22 | whardier | now I finally grabbed a stock debian kernel |
| 05:32:23 | whardier | :) |
| 05:32:30 | whardier | I hope my machine is more stable now |
| 05:33:15 | whardier | tun0 Link encap:Point-to-Point Protocol |
| 05:33:15 | whardier | inet addr:10.0.0.25 P-t-P:10.0.0.15 Mask:255.255.255.255 |
| 05:33:15 | whardier | UP POINTOPOINT RUNNING NOARP MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 |
| 05:33:15 | whardier | RX packets:7 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 |
| 05:33:15 | whardier | TX packets:5 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 |
| 05:33:16 | whardier | collisions:0 txqueuelen:10 |
| 05:33:17 | whardier | RX bytes:532 (532.0 b) TX bytes:420 (420.0 b) |
| 05:33:20 | whardier | :P |
| 05:33:28 | whardier | you guys have got to try vtund |
| 05:33:57 | whardier | wow.. my music is not skipping e I am apt-getting something |
| 05:34:09 | whardier | my keyboard is tho.. |
| 05:35:16 | W1GGL1T | your keyboard is skipping? :o) |
| 05:35:24 | whardier | its usb |
| 05:35:28 | W1GGL1T | ahhhh |
| 05:35:29 | whardier | they do that |
| 05:35:38 | whardier | oh shit I have a link for you guys |
| 05:36:15 | whardier | http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/020319/168/19xte.html |
| 05:36:21 | whardier | talk about server room security |
| 05:36:26 | whardier | thumbprint <- ok |
| 05:36:30 | whardier | keyboard activated |
| 05:36:37 | whardier | hehe |
| 05:36:52 | whardier | the xset s feature could reflect the keyboard being on or off |
| 05:36:53 | whardier | haha |
| 05:39:35 | whardier | mozilla is warming up |
| 05:39:48 | whardier | it does not like me having 2000+ fonts |
| 05:40:19 | whardier | http://vash.umgllc.com/ear.jpg <- new headset |
| 05:42:16 | whardier | I really wanna try playing music thru it |
| 05:42:22 | whardier | I should go buy the converter I need tomorrow |
| 05:42:46 | whardier | 5 minutes later.. mozilla is still looking thru my fonts directory |
| 05:42:52 | whardier | damn mozilla |
| 05:42:58 | whardier | AUGH.. |
| 05:43:01 | whardier | its doing it again! |
| 05:43:24 | whardier | it does something |
| 05:43:29 | whardier | I click OK |
| 05:43:33 | whardier | then it goes thru my fonts again |
| 05:43:37 | whardier | augh |
| 05:43:46 | whardier | apt-get remove mozilla-browser-snapshot |
| 05:43:55 | whardier | fucking cache this information you idiot of a program! |
| 05:49:45 | ljp | heh who ya talking to whardier? |
| 05:55:07 | whardier | nobody here cares! |
| 05:57:00 | ][N-Flux | whereis doom |
| 06:01:40 | ljp | cause nobodys here! |
| 06:08:58 | kend-zaur | where is src for the sshot taskbar applet? |
| 06:10:20 | treke | kend-zaur : launcher/screenshotapplet in opie cvs |
| 06:12:20 | kend-zaur | got an url?. |
| 06:12:42 | kend-zaur | i guess opie.handhelds.org? |
| 06:13:05 | treke | http://opie.handhelds.org/wiki/index.php3?SourceCode |
| 06:13:33 | kend-zaur | thx :) |
| 06:15:21 | kend-zaur | hmm.. under what subdir? |
| 06:15:32 | treke | launcher/screenshotapplet |
| 06:15:42 | kend-zaur | :) |
| 06:16:34 | kend-zaur | hmm.. what's clipboarapp? |
| 06:16:47 | treke | dunno |
| 06:17:03 | NeoTron | ][N-Flux: got that IF source dude |
| 06:17:30 | treke | I'm just finishing a reinstall, so I'm trying all new new shiite |
| 06:18:11 | kend-zaur | i wanna try to make a clipboard 'speaker' based on flite |
| 06:21:16 | treke | NeoTron : where was your eon games feed? |
| 06:22:26 | whardier | vote |
| 06:22:31 | treke | found it |
| 06:22:31 | whardier | who here can wiggle their ears? |
| 06:22:48 | kend-zaur | not i |
| 06:22:51 | whardier | I have superb ear wiggling talent.. and I was just wondering if I am alone |
| 06:23:20 | whardier | like almost cat like.. from listening from too much stereo radio in a car. |
| 06:24:07 | kend-zaur | wanders |
| 06:26:47 | NeoTron | treke: :) |
| 06:27:27 | treke | hmmm, thekompany's download basket has a small bug. |
| 06:27:42 | treke | I bought the early bundle, and it's now letting me download all the current bundle apps :) |
| 06:32:41 | NeoTron | hehe |
| 06:32:45 | NeoTron | bug to your advantage |
| 06:32:56 | treke | too bad I dot want any of their new apps :) |
| 06:33:36 | treke | hmm, strategic assault wont load |
| 06:33:58 | treke | well it crashed first, then wont load :) |
| 06:34:52 | mark_ | woot, kergoth`zzz fixed usbnetworking |
| 06:34:56 | | feed is a package repository or http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds or http://www.zauruszone.com/feed/ or http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/ for OpenZaurus |
| 06:34:56 | mark_ | ibot feed |
| 06:37:07 | mark_ | ljp: did kergoth tell you what was needed to get it working? |
| 06:43:13 | NeoTron | treke: that sucks. :-P Framebuffer differences perhaps... |
| 06:43:33 | mark_ | paperclip: did kergoth`zzz tell you what was necessary to get usb networking working? |
| 06:43:46 | treke | NeoTron : I rebooted and all fixed. It looks like a gzip bug |
| 06:48:26 | NeoTron | treke: so it works now? |
| 06:48:31 | treke | yeah |
| 06:48:33 | NeoTron | if so, *phew* :) |
| 06:48:39 | NeoTron | gzip bug as in run time or install time? |
| 06:48:57 | NeoTron | I uncompress the binary to /tmp/ and images are uncompressed in-memory |
| 06:49:08 | NeoTron | and it exits abruptly if any loading fails. :P |
| 06:49:43 | treke | I think runtime. It loaded once, crashed when I tried swithing map packs ( didnt have ff), then wouldnt start. I didnt copy the stderr messages, but it looked gunzip related |
| 06:50:35 | NeoTron | ok. |
| 06:50:42 | NeoTron | might investigate that later |
| 06:51:08 | treke | I'm just doing a crash course run through on the 18megs worth the qtopia crap I have installed :) |
| 07:02:48 | treke | gay. thekompanys apps waste about a hundred k each on splash screens |
| 07:13:24 | NeoTron | treke: yah |
| 07:13:31 | NeoTron | not handheld usage friendly exactly. :P |
| 07:15:53 | Narrowmind | wadup |
| 07:16:35 | treke | NeoTron : yeah. I'm just gonna replace them with a blank png and be happy :) |
| 07:20:24 | killefiz | treke: you can delete the files (works at least on tkcPlayer) |
| 07:20:54 | treke | killefiz : I've had stability problems with non present images befor |
| 07:21:09 | killefiz | well works for my z and tkcplayer at least |
| 07:21:21 | killefiz | i'm using it that way since it's available |
| 07:25:49 | Narrowmind | isnt tkcplayer pay to play? |
| 07:26:13 | killefiz | yup |
| 07:27:04 | Narrowmind | bah.. wont be using that any time soon |
| 07:27:59 | killefiz | well, if you come up with a free ogg/mp3 player, i'll use that |
| 07:28:49 | andyschm | theres only like 20 free mp3 players for linux... can't be long until theres one for the Z... |
| 07:28:55 | killefiz | mp3 isn't hard, but there is no freely available fixed point ogg player engine |
| 07:29:24 | Narrowmind | isnt ogg an open format?? |
| 07:29:30 | killefiz | sure |
| 07:29:55 | killefiz | but the zaurus is too slow to play ogg with the standard encoder |
| 07:30:04 | killefiz | (well not too slow - it's missing the fpu) |
| 07:30:13 | Narrowmind | hm |
| 07:30:14 | killefiz | s/encode/decoder/ |
| 07:30:39 | Narrowmind | so how does tkcplayer do i? |
| 07:30:44 | Narrowmind | er it |
| 07:31:04 | killefiz | the ogg guys have developed a fixed-point engine and thekompany has licensed it |
| 07:31:30 | Narrowmind | really this is just another reason why i use mp3 for my archive |
| 07:31:42 | killefiz | i don't think so |
| 07:31:52 | killefiz | first: compare a 128kb ogg against 128kb mp3 |
| 07:31:56 | killefiz | mp3 looses |
| 07:32:09 | killefiz | second: mp3 is full of patents - ogg is not |
| 07:34:30 | killefiz | ok .. i'll have to get to work |
| 07:35:36 | whardier | oggles ogg on google |
| 07:40:34 | Narrowmind | hmm mp3 works every where... ogg doesnt.. im done |
| 07:42:59 | Narrowmind | my cd player plays mp3.. my dvd player does mp3.. my zaurus does mp3.. ogg could be perfect and i still would use mp3 |
| 07:46:41 | | BigBoss was last seen on #zaurus 8 hours, 48 minutes and 6 seconds ago, saying: catalin wasn't paid to do his modplayer [Tue Apr 16 23:58:35 2002] |
| 07:46:41 | GogaN | ibot seen BigBoss |
| 07:46:49 | GogaN | uuuh.... |
| 08:10:51 | Com[ANGRY | lol |
| 08:34:14 | Narrowmind | any one know how qpe is configured?? i mean where/how do I map icons to apps? |
| 08:43:57 | Narrowmind | bah.. I found it |
| 09:00:38 | Narrowmind | ugh.. the perms on these packegs are bad |
| 09:04:37 | | BigBoss was last seen on #zaurus 10 hours, 6 minutes and 2 seconds ago, saying: catalin wasn't paid to do his modplayer [Tue Apr 16 23:58:35 2002] |
| 09:04:37 | GogaN | ibot: seen BigBoss |
| 09:46:08 | weimer | is back (gone 16:53:37) |
| 10:41:40 | weimer | is away: I'm busy |
| 11:05:08 | weimer | is back (gone 00:23:29) |
| 11:13:03 | Morfio | hi, is there anyone who can tell me how long the batteries of the zaurus 5000 work? |
| 11:13:26 | Morfio | sorry about my bad english :) |
| 11:13:55 | Morfio | in a test i read the batteries only work for 2 hours |
| 11:13:56 | Morfio | ... |
| 11:15:29 | hunger | Morfio: Depends on what you do with it. |
| 11:16:18 | hunger | Morfio: I'd guess 2h is a good value for the worst case. I carry my Z arround with me all day long and don't run iinto battery trouble (normal work, often turned off, no MP3 playing). |
| 11:17:50 | hunger | Morfio: I don't know how long it can stand mp3 playing, networking etc. All that (especially networking in my experience!) drains the battery very fast. |
| 11:19:56 | Morfio | hmmm, i think 2h are enough for a day of work an mp3 :) ... |
| 11:20:05 | Morfio | but can i read pdf with the z? |
| 11:21:17 | hunger | Morfio: Opera is supposed to be able to read PDFs (never tried it). |
| 11:21:41 | hunger | Morfio: OpenZaurus has a PDF reader in an extra package, you should be able to use that too. |
| 11:22:09 | Morfio | oh, that's very good. next week i go and buy it |
| 11:22:40 | hunger | Morfio: It's *GREAT* if you love Linux and messing with the details:-) |
| 11:23:26 | Morfio | i'm loving linux, i tried the zaurus this morning ... and ... wowwwwww |
| 11:23:46 | hunger | Morfio: usability-wise I'd say it's a tiny bit behind WinCE. Syncing with Linux is a PAIN though. |
| 11:24:21 | hunger | Morfio: No idea how syncing works with Win. |
| 11:24:23 | Morfio | real? i thought it's quiet simple to sync it with linux ... |
| 11:24:39 | Morfio | ahh, ok |
| 11:24:45 | hunger | Morfio: I had to patch my kernel so it at least recognises the Z. |
| 11:25:18 | Morfio | but then it works with linux? on usb? |
| 11:25:28 | hunger | Morfio: yes. |
| 11:25:41 | hunger | Morfio: It's on usb0 here, I use that like eth0. |
| 11:26:05 | hunger | Morfio: Well, actually I don't since the ethernet card in my Z is way fatsre then going over USB;-) |
| 11:26:25 | Morfio | cool ... so you can mount it into the filesystem of linux? |
| 11:26:45 | Morfio | and sync with what kind of programs? |
| 11:27:35 | hunger | Morfio: I thing the Z does not come with NFS. |
| 11:27:54 | hunger | Morfio: But you should be able to add that later;-) The beauty of Linux;-) |
| 11:28:12 | Morfio | yes, this are nice features of linux |
| 11:28:26 | Morfio | i'll see it next week :) |
| 11:28:33 | hunger | Morfio: But you definitly can set up NAT on your desktop and have it forward the Z's packages into the net. |
| 11:29:05 | hunger | Morfio: So you can run OPera on the Z and surf the web using that over USB. |
| 11:30:05 | Morfio | hehe, that's fine. with my jornada on windows it works too |
| 11:30:21 | Morfio | but linux rulez :) |
| 11:31:05 | hunger | Morfio: Possible. I don't use MS products, so I don't know that. |
| 11:32:44 | Morfio | i do only at my work |
| 11:33:18 | Morfio | but when i bought the jornada i didn't know there is a linux-based pda |
| 11:33:28 | Morfio | i only knew the agenda .. but ..... |
| 11:34:24 | hunger | Morfio: The compaq iPaq runs linux too. |
| 11:34:39 | hunger | Morfio: The Z is way cooler though;-) I just love the buildin keyboard! |
| 11:34:42 | Morfio | i hate the ipaq |
| 11:34:50 | Morfio | yes, m2 |
| 11:34:53 | Morfio | me2 |
| 11:35:17 | Morfio | i've an old ic35, but without software ... :( |
| 11:38:20 | Morfio | thx for the information. next week i'll be here very often :) |
| 12:03:17 | riskable | Anyone see AT&T's announcement that they're going to start offering mMode now? |
| 12:03:41 | riskable | $2.99/month +$0.02 per kilobyte of useage |
| 12:04:35 | riskable | ...or $7.99/month with 1meg included and $0.01/kilobyte |
| 12:05:35 | riskable | They're going to offer the service with the SonyEricsson T68. This is significant because, with a brainboxes bluetooth card, you can get on the net wirelessly with your Z using AT&T's mMode. |
| 12:08:03 | riskable | However, VoiceStream's "Talk & Text" service plan with a $2.99/month iStream add-on plan gets you 2 megabytes of useage, and $10/megabyte overage. This is a much better deal |
| 12:09:17 | weimer | is away: I'm busy |
| 12:09:30 | weimer | is back (gone 00:00:02) |
| 12:21:00 | riskable | ping #Zaurus |
| 12:21:13 | riskable | Anyone listening? |
| 12:29:09 | hunger | riskable: Yeap. |
| 12:29:31 | hunger | Any idea how I can build a nice debian-ish cross compiler? |
| 12:32:41 | riskable | debian-ish? |
| 13:09:58 | benmeyer | http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=154 |
| 13:10:01 | benmeyer | QHorse photos |
| 13:11:32 | hunger | benmeyer: How do you compile it to the Z? |
| 13:12:04 | ljp | qhorse looks funny |
| 13:12:26 | benmeyer | it? |
| 13:12:57 | benmeyer | remember the tomigotchis little things from a few years ago? |
| 13:12:57 | hunger | benmeyer: Qhorse for example:-) |
| 13:13:13 | hunger | Which crosscompile toolchains do you use here? |
| 13:13:28 | ljp | qtopiadesktop doesn't like kde3 and other libqt-3 files around |
| 13:14:01 | benmeyer | I got QHorse already compiled. :) |
| 13:14:16 | benmeyer | no you want to remove kde libs |
| 13:15:35 | ljp | so.. you're saying if I want to use qtopiadesktop I have to remove kde3? |
| 13:16:14 | benmeyer | yup |
| 13:16:20 | benmeyer | what app are you porting? |
| 13:17:06 | ljp | now, why would I want to remove kde3, which I just installed to get qtopiadektop working? |
| 13:17:28 | ljp | I'm not porting. I'm trying to use qtopiadesktop |
| 13:18:45 | benmeyer | oh, haha by bad |
| 13:19:00 | benmeyer | sorry yah qtopiadesktop likes the kde2 libs, not kde3 |
| 13:19:25 | benmeyer | not too up on that myself. |
| 13:19:56 | finkployd | wait, qtopiadesktop doesn't use kde libs does it? |
| 13:19:58 | ljp | heh true that... oh well.. I'm not going back, and TT should have known kde3 was coming out soon. |
| 13:20:03 | finkployd | I thought it just used qt libs |
| 13:20:11 | ljp | it does.. |
| 13:20:38 | ljp | but it get borked by qt3/kde3 compile/install |
| 13:21:11 | ][N-Flux | kde3 owns, not worth going back for qtopia imho :) |
| 13:21:19 | tux_mike | >< why is the german railway company trying to censor the internet |
| 13:21:21 | ljp | true that! |
| 13:21:42 | ][N-Flux | tux_mike: Cuase the world is a sad sad place |
| 13:21:59 | tux_mike | yah |
| 13:22:05 | finkployd | someone posted how to cut power to the railroad stuff I think |
| 13:22:35 | ljp | they have their railroad power on the internet? |
| 13:22:41 | tux_mike | well, then they should protect their boxes better |
| 13:22:51 | ljp | or use a private network |
| 13:23:12 | finkployd | granted |
| 13:23:27 | ][N-Flux | still no reason to sue search engines |
| 13:23:39 | ljp | heh sue the internet! |
| 13:23:56 | ][N-Flux | sue everyone, it's the modern way |
| 13:24:03 | ][N-Flux | you looked at me funny, I'm suing |
| 13:25:10 | tux_mike | if people don't like things out on the internet, pull the fucking plug. |
| 13:25:31 | hunger | tux_mike: The plug of whom? |
| 13:25:41 | tux_mike | their own boxes |
| 13:25:54 | tux_mike | if you don't like it, disconnect |
| 13:26:32 | ][N-Flux | don't like it turn it off, a lesson everyone needs to know |
| 13:29:36 | ][N-Flux | man, the world needs an enema |
| 13:32:42 | benmeyer | http://int13.net |
| 13:36:57 | ][N-Flux | doesn't render the page right in konqueror |
| 13:42:34 | hunger | Anyone knows which glibc version is used in OZ3? |
| 13:47:13 | JasonNJ | morning |
| 13:47:31 | ][N-Flux | is away: Work |
| 13:48:15 | ljp_ | JasonNJ: we figured out OZ's major buggies |
| 13:48:43 | JasonNJ | cool. |
| 14:04:32 | ljp_ | hehehe I just clued someone from IBM, that was doing 'pda shopping' into Hancom stuff, because he couldn't find any rich text linux pda stuff.. |
| 14:04:54 | ljp_ | does that make me a consultant? |
| 14:05:01 | BigBoss | send them a bill |
| 14:05:04 | ljp_ | hehehe |
| 14:05:13 | BigBoss | I haven't tried anything other than Sheet from Hancom on the Z |
| 14:05:20 | BigBoss | how is it's import ability? |
| 14:05:35 | ljp_ | I don't know.. I'm not into spreadsheets |
| 14:05:53 | ljp_ | I've been too bust debugging OZ |
| 14:05:59 | ljp_ | busy that is |
| 14:06:07 | BigBoss | I meant that other apps |
| 14:06:19 | BigBoss | so was tux_mike one of the lottery winners? |
| 14:06:34 | ljp_ | heh I hope so |
| 14:11:15 | peanut | waves |
| 14:11:16 | peanut | WELL.. |
| 14:11:22 | peanut | the enfora modem is poor quality |
| 14:11:32 | peanut | apparently its bending pins, wreaking havoc.. |
| 14:11:39 | peanut | BUT.. |
| 14:12:30 | peanut | aether just told me they will replace it! |
| 14:13:45 | peanut | anyone here? |
| 14:14:18 | ljp_ | yes |
| 14:14:50 | ljp_ | I was bored by aether's presentation.. |
| 14:15:00 | peanut | huh? |
| 14:15:09 | ljp_ | hehehe |
| 14:15:10 | bewmIES | If it's bending pins will they replace the Z? |
| 14:15:18 | peanut | YES! |
| 14:15:22 | bewmIES | wow |
| 14:15:23 | peanut | thats what Aether told me |
| 14:15:28 | bewmIES | Even if you have a 5000d? |
| 14:15:33 | ljp_ | hehe |
| 14:15:36 | bewmIES | And SHarp doesn't have anymore? :) |
| 14:15:36 | peanut | that they realize the manufacturing quality was poor |
| 14:15:45 | peanut | and causing this problem.. |
| 14:15:50 | peanut | apparently many people have complained |
| 14:15:54 | ljp_ | hmm gotta get one of them and bend some pinds on my 5000d |
| 14:15:59 | bewmIES | exactly |
| 14:15:59 | peanut | hehehe.. |
| 14:16:01 | bewmIES | How much are they? |
| 14:16:02 | bewmIES | :) |
| 14:16:09 | bewmIES | If the sum is less then $500 it's worth it. |
| 14:16:11 | ljp_ | cheaper than a 5500 |
| 14:16:13 | peanut | is on hold now to schedule the fix |
| 14:16:17 | peanut | the modem is 99 |
| 14:16:26 | peanut | but I think they're not shipping any more out until the new modems are released |
| 14:16:38 | ljp_ | aaawwww dang it |
| 14:16:38 | peanut | the modems ARE really really bad.. |
| 14:16:53 | peanut | warped |
| 14:17:05 | peanut | plugged holes |
| 14:17:11 | peanut | i'm guessing no QC was done. |
| 14:17:51 | peanut | oh well.. |
| 14:17:56 | peanut | just wants his Z fixed |
| 14:18:22 | ljp_ | can you take it apart and bend them back? |
| 14:18:42 | peanut | if they're going to fix it for free.. why should i? :) |
| 14:19:03 | ljp_ | because its there, I suppose |
| 14:19:11 | ljp_ | heh I ike to tinker |
| 14:21:12 | bewmIES | Do the 'beta3' OZ kernels turn off all that debugging? |
| 14:22:27 | ljp_ | yes.. there will (should) be a better oz beta soone, though |
| 14:22:44 | ljp_ | one where embeddedkonsole works |
| 14:23:00 | finkployd | ljp_: Where are these releases announced? |
| 14:23:06 | ljp_ | we've fixed quiet a few show stoppers |
| 14:23:34 | ljp_ | hmmm usually here by kergoth |
| 14:23:45 | finkployd | no mailing list though? |
| 14:24:11 | ljp_ | there might be one at surceforge, I'm not sure though. I'll run it by kergoth |
| 14:25:00 | ljp_ | you 'can' upgrade via the new feed packages available.. |
| 14:25:30 | ljp_ | but you have to do a few extra things also |
| 14:25:42 | peanut | ARGH.. |
| 14:25:45 | peanut | cries |
| 14:25:49 | peanut | 4-5 days without my Z |
| 14:26:00 | finkployd | are they getting you a 5500 though? |
| 14:26:07 | peanut | i dunno.. i don't care.. |
| 14:26:09 | finkployd | or just fixing it |
| 14:26:12 | peanut | doesn't expect something for nothing.. |
| 14:26:26 | peanut | just wants his 5000 fixed |
| 14:26:36 | ljp_ | why not, their carelessness busted your device |
| 14:26:43 | peanut | would like someone to say they're sorry for making me lose my z for 5 days |
| 14:26:45 | peanut | kicks jason |
| 14:26:52 | ljp_ | hehehe |
| 14:30:10 | peanut | backs up his Z |
| 14:30:20 | benmeyer | What is mke3fs? |
| 14:30:24 | benmeyer | mke2fs |
| 14:30:36 | peanut | make an ext2 file system |
| 14:30:53 | benmeyer | what is mkfs.ext2? |
| 14:31:37 | ljp_ | same thing |
| 14:31:59 | benmeyer | links I presume? |
| 14:32:15 | benmeyer | what is the difference between vfat and mkdos? |
| 14:32:22 | benmeyer | 800MB vs 2GB? |
| 14:32:38 | benmeyer | So there is only 4 fs you can make? |
| 14:33:33 | ljp_ | vfat is mkdos + fat32 |
| 14:33:45 | ljp_ | on the z.. yes |
| 14:34:06 | benmeyer | yes, I know that, but what does it gain the developer, user etc to have it in one fs over the other? |
| 14:34:19 | benmeyer | dosfs is portable |
| 14:34:30 | benmeyer | is there any reason why you would want it in fat32? |
| 14:34:31 | ljp_ | the cf cards need dos fs to flash |
| 14:34:38 | ljp_ | not really |
| 14:34:52 | ljp_ | unless you have a gb card |
| 14:36:03 | ljp_ | bbl |
| 14:36:07 | benmeyer | 1GB then you need vfat |
| 14:36:50 | benmeyer | ? |
| 14:38:26 | benmeyer | What else does ext2 provide over msdos besides symlinks? |
| 14:38:39 | hunger | benmeyer: long filenames |
| 14:38:57 | benmeyer | dosfs seems to do that... |
| 14:39:00 | benmeyer | hmm... |
| 14:39:01 | hunger | benmeyer: less problems with fragmentation. |
| 14:39:26 | benmeyer | Why would you want to format it in minix? |
| 14:39:32 | hunger | benmeyer: More then two master structures (ext2 superblocks, vfat FATs) |
| 14:39:41 | benmeyer | (In case you don't already know I am writing up a howto :) |
| 14:40:09 | Kopsis | VFAT is a mount type not really a filesystem type |
| 14:40:09 | hunger | benmeyer: No idea why you'd use minix:-) |
| 14:40:54 | benmeyer | Provided for completness sake, not recomended. |
| 14:40:55 | benmeyer | Provided for completness sake, not recomended. |
| 14:40:59 | benmeyer | How is that then? |
| 14:41:12 | Kopsis | Both FAT16 and FAT32 can use the VFAT directory structure |
| 14:41:35 | weimer | is away: I'm busy |
| 14:41:37 | Kopsis | VFAT is really just the support for long windows filenames |
| 14:42:04 | benmeyer | can dosfs handle 1.0GB? |
| 14:42:09 | benmeyer | i.e. ibm microdrives |
| 14:43:00 | Kopsis | FAT16 can theoretically handle up to 2GB as long as the system handles LBA properly |
| 14:43:24 | hunger | benmeyer: Just use ext2 and you won't run into all those MS-made headaches. |
| 14:43:52 | Kopsis | Of course with a 2GB FAT16 partition you end up with *huge* cluster sizes |
| 14:44:24 | benmeyer | vfat goes to 8GB right? |
| 14:45:27 | Kopsis | VFAT is just the directory structure. FAT32 goes to 8GB and well beyond |
| 14:46:31 | benmeyer | reaches deep within his memory in an attempt to remember this stuff |
| 14:47:06 | Kopsis | There are three DOS/Windows filesystem types - FAT12, FAT16, and FAT32 |
| 14:47:28 | Kopsis | When you mkdosfs you can specify the FAT type |
| 14:47:50 | Kopsis | If you don't, it tires to use the smallest one that supports the size disk you have |
| 14:49:21 | benmeyer | The SD card is /dev/hdb? |
| 14:49:35 | benmeyer | There is FAT8 too! |
| 14:50:05 | benmeyer | and 4 |
| 14:51:00 | Kopsis | I've never heard of FAT8 - MSDOS has only ever supported FAT12 and FAT16 (at least post v2.11) |
| 14:52:52 | benmeyer | it was undocumented "features" |
| 14:52:55 | benmeyer | yah microsoft |
| 14:57:32 | benmeyer | ok someone care to review my sd cf howto? |
| 15:00:53 | ljp_ | sure url? |
| 15:01:18 | benmeyer | one sec, still have it locally |
| 15:02:00 | warmi | hi |
| 15:03:28 | ljp_ | heeelo |
| 15:08:46 | benmeyer | Do you have to run fdisk on a card before you can format the fs to ext2? |
| 15:09:55 | ljp_ | yes |
| 15:14:53 | hunger | benmeyer: Nope, you don't. |
| 15:15:06 | ljp_ | it wont automount tho, right? |
| 15:15:08 | hunger | benmeyer: But then autorecognizing the filesystem won't work. |
| 15:18:43 | hunger | hi kergoth! |
| 15:19:09 | kergoth | hey.. |
| 15:21:55 | bewmIES | re k |
| 15:22:43 | kergoth | re |
| 15:22:44 | kergoth | how goes it? |
| 15:22:50 | bewmIES | not bad |
| 15:22:58 | bewmIES | My cable at home is fubar so I didn't get around to pump last night |
| 15:23:04 | kergoth | bewmIES: usbd networking is fixed in oz, and we found the embeddedkonsole prob |
| 15:23:06 | kergoth | :-) |
| 15:23:08 | kergoth | ah |
| 15:23:10 | kergoth | I'll work at it |
| 15:23:13 | bewmIES | awesome, WTF was the problem? |
| 15:23:16 | bewmIES | I'm gonna do it now :) |
| 15:23:18 | bewmIES | (pump) |
| 15:23:27 | kergoth | bewmIES: busybox sh symlink -> busybox .. embeddedkonsole freaks |
| 15:23:35 | kergoth | bewmIES: install bash. ln -s /bin/bash /bin/sh .. boom |
| 15:23:36 | kergoth | heheh |
| 15:23:39 | kergoth | bewmIES: fucked up |
| 15:23:45 | bewmIES | wow |
| 15:23:47 | kergoth | yeah |
| 15:23:49 | bewmIES | so it just didn't like the bb sh? |
| 15:23:51 | kergoth | its weird |
| 15:23:53 | kergoth | precisely |
| 15:23:59 | bewmIES | That is kinda wird |
| 15:24:03 | bewmIES | I don't like the bb sh either |
| 15:24:10 | bewmIES | it doesn't seem to properly source /etc/profile and ~/.profile |
| 15:24:10 | kergoth | i have a newer ash.c for busybox i got from eric andersen. I'll try it and see if it helps |
| 15:24:20 | kergoth | source isnt a valid command in ash |
| 15:24:24 | kergoth | you use . instead |
| 15:24:26 | bewmIES | Yes |
| 15:24:29 | kergoth | but . requires a FULL path, not relative |
| 15:24:32 | bewmIES | But it's supposed to when it starts |
| 15:24:32 | kergoth | :-) |
| 15:24:41 | kergoth | ah |
| 15:24:46 | bewmIES | sh-compatible shells are supposed to |
| 15:25:00 | kergoth | indeed. we can try a different busybox shell. it has a few, i just picked ash out of the blue |
| 15:25:01 | bewmIES | And the source looks like it should, but sometimes it didn't |
| 15:25:24 | kergoth | well, i'll try this updated ash.c, and test that. if that doesnt fix it, I'll try msh or one of the others.. |
| 15:25:30 | kergoth | i'd prefer to stick with busybox as bash is huge |
| 15:25:32 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:25:48 | kergoth | maybe i'll just fix some of its bugs and push them upstream |
| 15:25:52 | kergoth | brb, caffeine |
| 15:30:57 | | benmeyer was last seen on #zaurus 22 minutes and 11 seconds ago, saying: Do you have to run fdisk on a card before you can format the fs to ext2? [Wed Apr 17 16:08:46 2002] |
| 15:30:57 | kergoth | ibot: seen benmeyer? |
| 15:31:08 | | i guess benmeyer is the guy that works for Jason Perlow ... In Jason's words: "he's fusion94's bitch" |
| 15:31:08 | kergoth | ibot: benmeyer? |
| 15:42:14 | bewmIES | hrmph, pump needs popt |
| 15:42:58 | hunger | bewmIES: How big is that? |
| 15:42:59 | kergoth | wtf is popt? |
| 15:43:04 | treke | BigBoss : Small problem (for you) with your bundle download page, it's giving me links to apps I didnt purchase when I got the original bundle |
| 15:43:35 | kergoth | hah |
| 15:43:42 | bewmIES | How big is what? |
| 15:43:49 | hunger | bewmIES: popt |
| 15:43:52 | bewmIES | kergoth: getopt reimplemented |
| 15:43:57 | kergoth | ah.. |
| 15:44:00 | bewmIES | Oh don't worry, I'm just gonna build dhcpcd |
| 15:44:01 | hunger | bewmIES: It's a lib, isen't it? |
| 15:44:02 | bewmIES | I loathe popt |
| 15:44:05 | bewmIES | whee reinvention |
| 15:44:05 | bewmIES | yes |
| 15:44:07 | kergoth | lol |
| 15:44:12 | bewmIES | s/whee/wheel/ |
| 15:44:20 | bewmIES | popt is used by anything RH |
| 15:44:24 | kergoth | grr |
| 15:44:26 | bewmIES | It started out with RPM |
| 15:44:29 | kergoth | just get getopt.. shit.. |
| 15:44:31 | bewmIES | It's kinda like libnewt |
| 15:44:34 | bewmIES | lame lame lame |
| 15:44:44 | bewmIES | Does familiar publish the sources to their packages? |
| 15:44:50 | bewmIES | ie their build environments/patches/etc? |
| 15:44:53 | kergoth | they dont even have them in one place |
| 15:44:57 | kergoth | they dont HAVE a build environment |
| 15:44:59 | kergoth | its ALL manual |
| 15:45:02 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:45:04 | bewmIES | Sounds like fun |
| 15:45:07 | kergoth | boggles the mind |
| 15:45:10 | bewmIES | amen |
| 15:45:14 | bewmIES | I'd hang myself |
| 15:45:22 | kergoth | no shit.. maintaining that would be a nightmare |
| 15:45:23 | bewmIES | Do we want dhcpcd 2.x or 3.x? |
| 15:45:30 | treke | A lot is build by individual maintainers though |
| 15:45:36 | kergoth | yep i know |
| 15:45:42 | kergoth | its not manually built by one person |
| 15:45:45 | hunger | kergoth: How do I use buildroot-oz? The sources? |
| 15:45:45 | treke | so it's not quite so bad :) |
| 15:45:48 | kergoth | but still, maintainance of the whole would be a pain |
| 15:46:00 | kergoth | hunger: check it out. run make openzaurus. |
| 15:46:20 | kergoth | hunger: assuming you've got a arm toolchain installed with its dir in the path so that arm-linux-* are available |
| 15:46:31 | hunger | kergoth: I need the crosscompiler from Sharp? Or do I need to build my own toolchain? |
| 15:46:39 | kergoth | hunger: use the one from lineo, on the sharp page. |
| 15:46:58 | hunger | kergoth: OK. Will do that. |
| 15:47:15 | kergoth | hunger: its a set of 4 rpms.. kernel headers, binutils, glibc, gcc |
| 15:47:22 | hunger | kergoth: I ruined my Z again... need to download the initrd AGAIN:-( |
| 15:47:32 | kergoth | hunger: ack.. you're just dangerous.. lol |
| 15:47:37 | hunger | kergoth: Yes, I downloaded this before. |
| 15:47:46 | kergoth | hunger: fyi, embeddedkonsole works |
| 15:47:55 | hunger | kergoth: All your fault ;-) You mess up OZ, I just install it. |
| 15:47:58 | kergoth | hunger: if /bin/sh is bash.. |
| 15:48:00 | kergoth | hunger: hah |
| 15:48:12 | hunger | kergoth: Yes, I heared. Great! |
| 15:48:19 | bewmIES | Ahh I love ISC software |
| 15:48:22 | bewmIES | rwm@ryan:/tmp/D/dhcp-3.0b2pl11$ ./configure |
| 15:48:22 | bewmIES | System Type: linux-2.2 |
| 15:48:24 | bewmIES | Linux ryan 2.4.16-RWM #1 Tue Dec 11 01:00:04 EST 2001 i686 unknown |
| 15:48:31 | bewmIES | Smart little script |
| 15:48:39 | treke | maybe they meant glibc 2.2 |
| 15:48:52 | whardier | wow |
| 15:48:53 | bewmIES | No, they meant kernel |
| 15:48:57 | bewmIES | For CONFIG_PACKET and CONFIG_SOCKET |
| 15:48:59 | kergoth | bewmIES: fyi, I'm adding support to the various libs to add a postinst script to call ldconfig if it exists to update /etc/ld.so.conf |
| 15:48:59 | whardier | EfNet people sure are probing |
| 15:49:07 | bewmIES | Is there an ldconfig in OZ now? |
| 15:49:14 | bewmIES | I was looking for one the other day and didn't see it |
| 15:49:15 | kergoth | nope, i'm creating a package for it |
| 15:49:16 | mandrake | so I got my 5500 this morning |
| 15:49:18 | bewmIES | Good stuff |
| 15:49:20 | kergoth | mandrake: nice |
| 15:49:21 | mark | kergoth: cool that usb networking is working - what .ipks do i need to download? |
| 15:49:25 | mandrake | finally |
| 15:49:40 | kergoth | bewmIES: just try switching your /bin/sh to bash and watch it fail ot boot because LD_LIBRARY_PATH isnt set at execution time.. lol |
| 15:49:44 | kergoth | s/ot/at/ |
| 15:49:46 | mandrake | I have yet to try loading my software on it |
| 15:49:55 | scanline | is back (gone 10:21:22) |
| 15:50:06 | kergoth | mark: updates packages: kernel-modules, oz-base, pcmcia-cs (for automount, not usbd networking), and hotplug |
| 15:50:14 | kergoth | s/updates/updated/ |
| 15:50:19 | mandrake | mostly because I'm trying currently to make a wince version of the same thing :) |
| 15:50:43 | bewmIES | I'm not using OZ now |
| 15:50:47 | bewmIES | I need my Zaurus for work today :( |
| 15:50:52 | kergoth | hehe |
| 15:50:56 | kergoth | we need second Z's |
| 15:50:58 | bewmIES | I love being able to just flash the Flinders ROM and have all my work on SD |
| 15:51:00 | bewmIES | amen |
| 15:51:22 | kergoth | speaking of that, i need a util to change the default Documents dir |
| 15:51:36 | | oz3 feed is at http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/feeds/3.0/ |
| 15:51:36 | mark | ibot oz3 feed |
| 15:51:36 | kergoth | that + ipkg install to sd/cf would be enough to gain flinders functionality |
| 15:51:36 | hunger | The flash should be on a card so you can have diffrent versions:-) |
| 15:51:50 | hunger | kergoth: ln works fine:-) |
| 15:52:03 | mark | kergoth: you got installing onto cf/mtd working yet btw? (not nagging, just wanting to know if it works ;)) |
| 15:52:08 | kergoth | hunger: bah, i mean a graphical util :-) |
| 15:52:11 | ljp_ | if you do the bash install, you'll need ldconfig |
| 15:52:19 | kergoth | mark: no, i'm avoiding duplicating effort |
| 15:53:24 | hunger | kergoth: mtdram SUCKS!!! |
| 15:53:28 | kergoth | ljp_: i'm adding support to the buildsystem to create postinsts for the libs to run ldconfig if it exists.. so ld.so.cache will be created in the build process. |
| 15:53:30 | kergoth | hunger: hmm? |
| 15:53:33 | kergoth | hunger: how so? |
| 15:53:34 | bewmIES | I've never really used ISC's dhcp client, is this the client? |
| 15:53:34 | bewmIES | -rwxr-xr-x 1 rwm rwm 441184 Apr 17 10:56 dhclient |
| 15:53:44 | kergoth | no idea, i always use pump |
| 15:53:45 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:53:48 | bewmIES | That's pretty fscking big |
| 15:53:54 | bewmIES | pump is ~32k for i386 |
| 15:54:01 | bewmIES | That's 400k for arm |
| 15:54:02 | kergoth | 441k?? |
| 15:54:04 | kergoth | ack! |
| 15:54:05 | bewmIES | yeah |
| 15:54:06 | hunger | kergoth: I rebooted yesterday, afterwards my mtdram was empty and contained an minix fs instead of the ext2 I put there. |
| 15:54:07 | bewmIES | STRIPPED |
| 15:54:20 | kergoth | hunger: sounds like you did a full reset. |
| 15:54:21 | bewmIES | I may just spend the time to get pump working |
| 15:54:25 | hunger | kergoth: Any I sync'ed manually a couple of times! |
| 15:54:27 | bewmIES | I _really_ like pump more |
| 15:54:54 | kergoth | hunger: i've rebooted my Z numerous times.. only time mtdram got wiped was on full reset |
| 15:54:55 | bewmIES | oh well bbiab, I'll let you know what I come up with. Gotta get work done |
| 15:55:00 | kergoth | coo |
| 15:55:00 | hunger | kergoth: /sbin/reboot should not do a full reset, should it? |
| 15:55:09 | kergoth | hunger: no, i use reboot constantly |
| 15:56:12 | hunger | kergoth: Anyway. I'm feed up with mtdram. Just flased in the nonmtdram kernel. |
| 15:56:18 | kergoth | hehe |
| 15:56:25 | kergoth | 64megs of ram eh? |
| 15:56:29 | kergoth | thats a lot :-) |
| 15:57:02 | mark | kergoth: re installing to mtdram/sd - why do symlinks made to be made? why can't PATH and LD_LIBRARY_PATH be set appropriately? |
| 15:57:02 | hunger | kergoth: More then I want:-) But what shall I do? mtdram was the only useful thing to do I came up with:-) |
| 15:57:26 | kergoth | mark: its more than path and ld library path.. its also path to qtopia's apps, sounds, pics, plugins |
| 15:57:45 | kergoth | hunger: no idea. i'm unable to reproduce that behavior you saw |
| 15:57:56 | mark | kergoth: its not done with symlinks on the officail rom si it? |
| 15:58:02 | ljp_ | ook, I'm in |
| 15:58:08 | hunger | kergoth: Well, there is never too much RAM anyway;-) |
| 15:58:10 | mark | warmi: ur image for Z on ur site - can i use it on mine? :) |
| 15:58:28 | kergoth | mark: yes it is. thats what qinstall does |
| 15:58:31 | kergoth | hunger: hehe |
| 15:58:41 | whardier | no thanks.. I try to avoid demon corruption |
| 15:58:41 | hunger | kergoth: I filled another bugreport today. oz-base overwrites my files in /etc without asking. |
| 15:58:43 | bewmIES | Yeah, to which I had suggested hacking qtopia so it looks in alternate directories |
| 15:58:53 | bewmIES | Just go over all the mountpoints and look for $MNT/opt/Qtopia/<whatever> |
| 15:59:07 | kergoth | hunger: ah, its not registering them as conffiles? doh |
| 15:59:27 | mark | kergoth: ah, okay, my misunderstanding |
| 15:59:32 | kergoth | bewmIES: opie already registers CF and SD cards on insertion... and pops up a dialog to check documents scanning.. |
| 16:00:01 | bewmIES | Yeah |
| 16:00:03 | kergoth | bewmIES: there's a disabled checkbox there .. that would be used for this.. app registration |
| 16:00:06 | bewmIES | Oh, heh, that never worked for me |
| 16:00:16 | bewmIES | Popping in a CF never even automounted |
| 16:00:27 | kergoth | bewmIES: update your packages from the feed. |
| 16:00:30 | ljp_ | sync works with OZ.. :D |
| 16:00:36 | bewmIES | When I reflash OZ I will :) |
| 16:01:00 | ljp_ | bewm: as long as you don't have qt3/kde3 installed |
| 16:01:12 | kergoth | hehe |
| 16:01:41 | kergoth | ljp_: you hear we figured out why intellisync wont sync with opie? |
| 16:01:59 | ljp_ | kergoth: shouldn't usbdmonitor work on reboot? |
| 16:02:07 | kergoth | ljp_: yeah.. mine seems to |
| 16:02:10 | ljp_ | no, why? |
| 16:02:11 | kergoth | ljp_: it must be in /etc/modules |
| 16:02:25 | kergoth | ljp_: you need a file in /home/root/somethingorother that contains... '1.13'!! |
| 16:02:36 | kergoth | ljp_: its the fucking rom version.. could very well be where their sysinfo grabs it from |
| 16:02:46 | kergoth | ljp_: intellisync checks it for sanity |
| 16:05:00 | kergoth | damn embedix madness |
| 16:05:16 | kergoth | symlinks /home/QtPalmtop to /opt/Qtopia, and /home/root to /root |
| 16:06:41 | ljp_ | hmm the only thing that greps 1.13 in there is /usr/sbin/dhcpd |
| 16:06:50 | kergoth | lol |
| 16:06:53 | kergoth | on the sharp rom? |
| 16:07:03 | ljp_ | yes, unless its in a module |
| 16:07:11 | ljp_ | didn't check that deep |
| 16:08:09 | kergoth | man if i can get ipkg install to alternate paths... and a couple minor bugs fixes, i'll throw up beta4 |
| 16:08:11 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:08:23 | kergoth | ljp_: VerxWork has the details, he was messing with intellisync |
| 16:08:32 | kergoth | ljp_: i'm checking, so I can add whatever it is to OZ |
| 16:08:56 | kergoth | home/root/systeminfo named "linkver" with one only row: "1.13" (without ") |
| 16:09:25 | kergoth | so /home/root/systeminfo/linkver = 1.13 |
| 16:09:54 | ljp_ | hmm mine says 1.1 |
| 16:10:10 | kergoth | interesting |
| 16:10:20 | ljp_ | but I havent tried intelsync |
| 16:10:21 | kergoth | well mine will say oz3 |
| 16:10:25 | kergoth | hehe |
| 16:10:28 | kergoth | or 3.0 |
| 16:11:00 | ljp_ | heheheh OZ has all my contacts now.. :D |
| 16:11:06 | kergoth | hehe |
| 16:11:07 | kergoth | nice! |
| 16:11:13 | kergoth | its becoming usable, holy shit ;-) |
| 16:11:59 | mark | hehe |
| 16:12:04 | ljp_ | kergoth: better make sure usbdmonitor is in /etc/modules |
| 16:12:14 | mandrake | I think I'm going to try to hook up my zaurus to my windows pc at the office today |
| 16:12:15 | kergoth | ljp_: already done in rev6 of oz-base in the feed :-) |
| 16:12:15 | mandrake | muahahahaha |
| 16:12:28 | ljp_ | k |
| 16:13:17 | whardier | hmm |
| 16:13:26 | whardier | anybody around a security camera at the moment? |
| 16:13:34 | whardier | would you mind finding out who makes it? |
| 16:14:24 | mark | has no security cameras in his house |
| 16:15:24 | bewmIES | Man |
| 16:15:32 | bewmIES | It's such a PITA starting with a new buildroot |
| 16:15:36 | bewmIES | waits for the wgets to end |
| 16:15:46 | kergoth | lol.. |
| 16:15:49 | kergoth | isnt it though |
| 16:15:53 | kergoth | sources/dl is valuable |
| 16:15:55 | kergoth | heheh |
| 16:16:23 | bewmIES | nods |
| 16:16:28 | bewmIES | T1 here is too fscking slow |
| 16:17:24 | kergoth | gah.. rebuilding glibc again |
| 16:17:32 | mark | fu |
| 16:17:32 | mark | n |
| 16:21:30 | benmeyer | Anyone know where I can get the mp3 module for the mod player? |
| 16:22:00 | kergoth | benmeyer: no idea. whats your email btw? |
| 16:22:07 | kergoth | lost my address book.. ugh |
| 16:22:17 | benmeyer | meyerb@sharpsec.com |
| 16:22:37 | kergoth | k. i'll send you the new ipkg-make-index |
| 16:22:42 | benmeyer | cool |
| 16:22:53 | benmeyer | Anything I need to know? |
| 16:24:06 | kergoth | nope, works just like the other, except it checks for multiple versions |
| 16:24:26 | kergoth | if there is an old version of a package, it expects to be able to move it to the old/ dir within the dir you passed to it on the cmdline |
| 16:24:43 | benmeyer | ok |
| 16:24:43 | kergoth | and it wont add the old version to the Packages file |
| 16:24:48 | benmeyer | I have a rm in my script anyway |
| 16:30:32 | whardier | hi |
| 16:30:35 | whardier | TheMaxx |
| 16:30:40 | whardier | dos equis |
| 16:31:37 | MrX | hi * |
| 16:32:06 | benmeyer | http://www.climov.com/zaurus/modplayer doesn't work :'( |
| 16:33:31 | hunger | how do I get files from the stream? |
| 16:33:55 | kergoth | ? |
| 16:34:32 | hunger | kergoth: ipkg upgrade does not work for broken packages. |
| 16:34:52 | kergoth | hunger: ? define broken |
| 16:35:08 | hunger | kergoth: oz-base for example. |
| 16:37:04 | kergoth | okay.. so what are you trying to do? |
| 16:37:32 | hunger | kergoth: I flashed in the initrd, now I want to upgrade with ipkg upgrade |
| 16:37:52 | kergoth | okay.. and you cant do it because oz-base will overwrite your changed files? |
| 16:38:34 | mark | kergoth: gah, the feature of vim that allows it to be used in kvim is dependant on x |
| 16:38:39 | hunger | kergoth: Nope, I can't do it since -6 tries to symlink /proc/mounts to /etc/mtab which allready exists. |
| 16:38:44 | kergoth | mark: ack |
| 16:38:50 | kergoth | hunger: so rm /etc/mtab |
| 16:38:54 | kergoth | hunger: and upgrade |
| 16:39:46 | hunger | kergoth: I prefer getting the ipk and installing that from local. |
| 16:40:10 | hunger | kergoth: Matter of personal preference, that's all:-) |
| 16:40:11 | kergoth | hunger: so do it. it'll fail in the same way |
| 16:40:17 | kergoth | hunger: if you dont rm /etc/mtab i mean |
| 16:41:11 | ljp_ | hugs his OZ device |
| 16:41:59 | hunger | kergoth: Yes, but at least I have the file in my fingers then and can reinstall it without going into the web then. |
| 16:42:07 | kergoth | wonders where vogtp is, in the qipkg alterations |
| 16:42:12 | kergoth | hunger: yeah |
| 16:42:27 | kergoth | hunger: personally, i like having a feed on my desktop and upgrading that way |
| 16:42:30 | kergoth | :-) |
| 16:42:50 | ljp_ | bbl |
| 16:43:16 | benmeyer | kergoth the script did well with all of my feeds |
| 16:43:22 | benmeyer | I have updated my howto with it |
| 16:43:28 | kergoth | benmeyer: great, glad to hear it |
| 16:46:56 | kergoth | hunger: opinion: should oz-base treat the /etc/init.d/ files as conffiles as well? or just the rest of them? |
| 16:47:12 | kergoth | hunger: fyi, conffiles prompt you on whether to overwrite with maintainer versions |
| 16:47:16 | hunger | kergoth: Just the rest is OK with me. |
| 16:47:20 | kergoth | k, i'm on it |
| 16:47:58 | whardier | i'm off it |
| 16:48:03 | kergoth | good |
| 16:48:08 | whardier | climbs back on his rocker |
| 16:51:19 | benmeyer | Hey in tckftp it says taht downloading Directory not implemented yet |
| 16:51:22 | benmeyer | Shawn you around? |
| 16:52:08 | benmeyer | kergoth: I sent you a howto that I have wrote up |
| 16:52:31 | mark | kergoth: i was wrong, i'm speaking to the kvim developer, the clientServer stuff (X dependancy) can be removed as it is not necessary for what we want. he is adding #defines to the code for me atm :) |
| 16:54:02 | benmeyer | The Security feature on the SD cards can't be used is that correct? |
| 16:54:19 | mark | benmeyer: correct |
| 16:54:25 | hunger | benmeyer: coorect from what I read on the sharp site. |
| 16:57:08 | finkployd | what IS the security feature on the SD card? I never understood that |
| 16:57:46 | kergoth | mark: nice! :-) |
| 16:58:23 | benmeyer | I would guess it is like the Floppy security feature, but implimented via the driver (how dumb) |
| 16:58:39 | hunger | finkployd: From what I understood it allows people to stop you from copying mp3-files stored on the card:-) |
| 16:59:05 | finkployd | hunger: But it is dependant on the software to enforce that? Which the Z doesn't do? |
| 16:59:33 | hunger | finkployd: That 'security feature' allways pops up in the context of DRM. I only found marketing FUD about the feature yet. |
| 16:59:37 | finkployd | Wow the pople who designed that know less that the people who think that LDAP is a network security solution :) |
| 16:59:48 | finkployd | s/that/than |
| 17:00:21 | benmeyer | MMC cards work with any partition scheme or filesystem without problems. |
| 17:00:25 | benmeyer | Do SD cards? |
| 17:00:25 | finkployd | Amazing that concepts of security are so lost on people |
| 17:00:46 | benmeyer | Can I format my SD card to ext2? |
| 17:01:08 | whardier | suuuure |
| 17:01:11 | kergoth | benmeyer: yeah |
| 17:01:14 | hunger | benmeyer: I have no MMC card, but from what I read the SD-stuff build into the Z is just a MMC-card reader anyway. |
| 17:01:15 | whardier | you have to change a line in the /etc/sdcontrol file |
| 17:01:16 | kergoth | benmeyer: dont forget to change partition type |
| 17:01:25 | whardier | just remove -t vfat |
| 17:01:33 | hunger | benmeyer: Yes, you can format your SD in ext2, but it won't automount afterwards in OZ3. |
| 17:02:35 | ep0ch | but it will if you change /etc/fstab? |
| 17:02:48 | kergoth | hunger: yet |
| 17:02:54 | kergoth | ep0ch: yes |
| 17:03:48 | ep0ch | i will finish downloading OZ3 beta3 today! |
| 17:04:08 | kergoth | ep0ch: fyi, after installing.. install the latest oz-base, kernel-modules, pcmcia-cs, and hotplug packages from the oz3 feed |
| 17:04:27 | ep0ch | whats the feed URL |
| 17:04:28 | ep0ch | ? |
| 17:04:31 | | i heard oz3 feed was at http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/feeds/3.0/ |
| 17:04:31 | kergoth | ibot: oz3 feed? |
| 17:04:36 | ep0ch | ty |
| 17:04:45 | kergoth | np |
| 17:05:33 | ep0ch | i take it these will be added to the ROM at some stage? |
| 17:05:40 | kergoth | yeah, beta4 will have that |
| 17:05:45 | kergoth | i want some further bugs fixed |
| 17:06:27 | kergoth | before beta4 i mean |
| 17:07:16 | whardier | is getting a kitty lap dance |
| 17:07:52 | ep0ch | Sugar: are you jealous? |
| 17:08:11 | hunger | Can I force ipkg to reinstall everything from a feed thats installed? |
| 17:08:25 | kergoth | ipkg -force-reinstall install [package names] |
| 17:08:27 | kergoth | brb, meeting |
| 17:08:41 | whardier | my cats are tearing up my place |
| 17:08:42 | whardier | haha |
| 17:08:45 | whardier | they must be hungry |
| 17:10:29 | ep0ch | or bored |
| 17:11:08 | benmeyer | Is there a CF comparision anywhere? |
| 17:11:15 | benmeyer | what to buy etc? |
| 17:16:27 | mark | is away: stuff to do, people to see, etc ;) |
| 17:19:11 | benmeyer | damm 64mb of music isn't very much |
| 17:19:12 | benmeyer | haha |
| 17:19:59 | benmeyer | wishes theplastic 512 SD stick he got was real |
| 17:21:16 | torkar | Quick question: Where can I buy the Zaurus SL5500 in Europe?? |
| 17:21:29 | torkar | Preferably in Sweden ;) |
| 17:22:29 | warmi | there are German online stores that sell Zs |
| 17:22:32 | torkar | Sharp Sweden told me they weren't sure that they would bring it in.... |
| 17:22:38 | torkar | warmi: which one? |
| 17:24:02 | hunger | torkar: xtops.de for example. |
| 17:24:35 | torkar | thanx I'll look into this :) |
| 17:25:25 | torkar | hunger: they say this: # Lithium Ion Battery, removable (are they rechargable)? |
| 17:25:29 | torkar | http://xtops.de/xtops_pda_sharp.html |
| 17:26:04 | hunger | torkar: Yes, they are. |
| 17:26:27 | tux_mike | hrm... 24.5 million dollar linux super computer. i coulda bought that! |
| 17:26:29 | torkar | thank God :) I think I'll order it from them but I can't do it online though :( |
| 17:26:41 | weimer | is back (gone 02:45:13) |
| 17:27:19 | torkar | Hmm I wonder if they take Amex or MasterCard if I order it from them via fax.... |
| 17:27:49 | hunger | torkar: Do you need the postal adress? I got a business card of them here since they lend me a couple of CF/SD cards and stuff. |
| 17:30:49 | torkar | hunger: np. I sent him an e-mail |
| 17:32:35 | whardier | digesting corn is such a waste of energy |
| 17:33:20 | tux_mike | so is celery |
| 17:34:04 | bewmIES | Packaged contents of /usr/src/zaurus/buildroot-oz/build/ipktmp into ./libpopt0_1.6.2_arm.ipk |
| 17:34:05 | bewmIES | shutters |
| 17:36:57 | whardier | tux_mike its the chewing that is the waste in celery |
| 17:37:06 | whardier | you actually gain that amount back later by digesting it |
| 17:37:08 | whardier | but corn |
| 17:37:16 | whardier | most of it never even gets digested! |
| 17:38:23 | torkar | Is Linksys WCF11 Wireless 802.11b Compact Flash Card the right one to buy for the SL5500 |
| 17:38:51 | finkployd | I like it |
| 17:39:14 | MrX | i like it too, can use in with pcmcia adapter in my notebook too .. |
| 17:39:25 | whardier | HAHAHA! |
| 17:39:26 | whardier | oh shit! |
| 17:39:27 | whardier | haha |
| 17:39:43 | finkployd | MrX: huh. Cool |
| 17:39:43 | whardier | I think I just found a small enough antenna that I could just mountit ont he back of my PDA |
| 17:39:43 | torkar | MrX & finkployd: so that's the one? |
| 17:39:48 | hunger | kergoth: e2fsprogs conflicts with libc6! |
| 17:39:59 | finkployd | torkar: Unless you want to hold out for the Socket one |
| 17:40:01 | torkar | hunger: recompile e2fsprogs |
| 17:40:06 | torkar | finkployd: ? |
| 17:40:20 | torkar | finkployd: I don't follow you now. |
| 17:41:08 | finkployd | torkar: http://www.socketcom.com/product/wlan.htm |
| 17:41:15 | finkployd | Not supported on the Z yet though |
| 17:41:34 | torkar | finkployd: they say it will be supported or what? |
| 17:41:46 | finkployd | The support for it has been "real soon" for a few months, so make of that what you will :) |
| 17:41:55 | torkar | hmm ok |
| 17:42:20 | torkar | I see that the Zaurus on xtops.de has german qwertz keyboard :( |
| 17:42:56 | hunger | I'm reinstalling most ipks again. I'll bugreport any problem I discover while I'm at it. So they won't get lost;-) |
| 17:43:38 | hunger | torkar: Ask him wether he can get a english version for you. |
| 17:43:44 | MrX | torkar: at www.mobildirekt.com you can order a sl5000d, german shop with english Z ... |
| 17:44:13 | torkar | MrX: great thanx I will check that up |
| 17:44:17 | hunger | torkar: I doubt you'll find many english Z's in germany. We got SL5500G's here... (QWERTZ-keyboard, german localisation) |
| 17:44:18 | torkar | hunger: will do :) |
| 17:44:46 | whardier | damnit hunger ! |
| 17:44:50 | whardier | damn you |
| 17:44:53 | whardier | change your damn nick! |
| 17:44:58 | whardier | you are making everybody hhungry! |
| 17:45:05 | whardier | expecially me! |
| 17:45:11 | whardier | eats hunger |
| 17:45:14 | hunger | whardier: That's more then a nick, it's my surname ;-) |
| 17:45:23 | whardier | Sr. Hunger? |
| 17:45:26 | whardier | err |
| 17:45:29 | whardier | Sir Hunger? |
| 17:45:29 | whardier | hahaha |
| 17:45:43 | whardier | well .. you spelled it surname |
| 17:45:45 | torkar | what wonder what differs 5000 and 5500 |
| 17:45:46 | whardier | so i have to believe you |
| 17:46:12 | hunger | whardier: Actually I'm one of the apocalyptic riders, so be nice to me or you will be sorry one day;-) |
| 17:46:22 | tux_mike | groans |
| 17:46:33 | hunger | torkar: 5000 has 32MB RAM, 5500 64MB. That's the only diffrence I'm aware of. |
| 17:46:36 | whardier | I know how to dismount you assholes |
| 17:46:40 | whardier | so you just watch out K! |
| 17:46:54 | MrX | and the hacom apps ... |
| 17:47:05 | hunger | MrX: Hacom Apps? |
| 17:47:08 | MrX | hancom apps are at the sl5500 ... |
| 17:47:09 | torkar | hunger: hmmm |
| 17:47:20 | hunger | MrX: Not on mine... |
| 17:47:34 | MrX | http://mobile.hancom.com |
| 17:47:41 | torkar | hunger: I'll wait and see what the xtops guy will say :) |
| 17:47:58 | whardier | someday.. I am gonna draw a phone on my peepee.. grab it.. take a pick.. and send it to hancom.com |
| 17:48:03 | whardier | pic |
| 17:48:04 | whardier | heh |
| 17:48:05 | MrX | i use a sl5000d ... and i got the hancom apps .... |
| 17:48:28 | tux_mike | whardier: that's pretty f*ed up |
| 17:49:31 | scanline | is away: class |
| 17:50:02 | whardier | tux_mike you expect less from bandito whardier? |
| 17:50:17 | whardier | http://vash.umgllc.com/skullcap.jpg |
| 17:50:37 | BigBoss | tux: did you win the lottery? I see a 20 year old girl came forward as one of the three winners |
| 17:50:59 | ep0ch | i'm in love :) |
| 17:51:18 | ep0ch | is she fit? |
| 17:51:32 | tux_mike | BigBoss: nope. |
| 17:51:37 | tux_mike | only one number |
| 17:51:44 | tux_mike | that's the story of my life :) |
| 17:52:18 | ep0ch | how many numbers do you need in the american lottery? |
| 17:52:24 | tux_mike | 6 |
| 17:52:28 | tux_mike | typically |
| 17:52:29 | treke | 6 in california |
| 17:52:32 | tux_mike | varies by state |
| 17:52:33 | ep0ch | whats the number range? |
| 17:52:39 | ep0ch | we have 1-49 |
| 17:52:46 | finkployd | We have binary |
| 17:52:47 | finkployd | :) |
| 17:52:48 | tux_mike | i think the big game is up to 56. |
| 17:53:58 | tux_mike | i don't play often enough to know :) |
| 17:59:43 | kergoth | re |
| 17:59:49 | tux_mike | hey kerg |
| 17:59:53 | ljp_ | hola |
| 17:59:58 | tux_mike | hey ljp |
| 18:00:04 | kergoth | damnit |
| 18:00:08 | kergoth | i keep admitting that i know things |
| 18:00:12 | kergoth | i have to stop that |
| 18:00:24 | tux_mike | kergoth: yah |
| 18:00:27 | kergoth | they keep piling projects on to me when I admit i know things |
| 18:00:29 | kergoth | grumbles |
| 18:00:31 | ljp_ | you know things? |
| 18:00:38 | kergoth | a few :-) |
| 18:01:20 | kergoth | ljp_: do you know if PKG_ROOT has to be used in conffiles as well? |
| 18:01:41 | kergoth | ljp_: I'm fixing the oz-base overwriting /etc/ files when altered prob |
| 18:01:47 | ljp_ | I'm not sure |
| 18:01:59 | Neo|Away | is here. |
| 18:02:05 | kergoth | k.. i'll test and see if it breaks horribly on -d |
| 18:02:07 | kergoth | :-) |
| 18:03:22 | benmeyer | http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/managing_sd_cf_howto.html |
| 18:03:31 | benmeyer | Can everyone give me feeback on that? |
| 18:04:30 | kergoth | If i have time.. i still need to write up my comments on the other howtos |
| 18:04:31 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:04:59 | bewmIES | pump: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 (ARM), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), not stripped |
| 18:05:01 | bewmIES | w00t |
| 18:05:11 | bewmIES | I fucking hate popt, just makes the whole thing so much more difficult. |
| 18:05:51 | benmeyer | kergoth: http://www.zauruszone.com/wiki/index.php?Howto a wiki that you can add anything you want |
| 18:06:15 | kergoth | benmeyer: k, i'll take al ook |
| 18:06:27 | kergoth | bewmIES: hehe. how large is the pump arm binary, stripped? |
| 18:07:49 | bewmIES | Does the buildsystem strip it? |
| 18:07:59 | benmeyer | os |
| 18:08:00 | bewmIES | -rw-r--r-- 1 rwm rwm 32840 Apr 17 12:37 libpopt0_1.6.2_arm.ipk |
| 18:08:00 | bewmIES | -rw-r--r-- 1 rwm rwm 27258 Apr 17 13:10 pump_0.8.11_arm.ipk |
| 18:08:01 | benmeyer | Os |
| 18:08:03 | benmeyer | sorry |
| 18:08:03 | bewmIES | They're not very big |
| 18:08:28 | bewmIES | Want me to send along .mk's? |
| 18:08:32 | benmeyer | instead of saying O2 or whatnot for optimizations say Os for size |
| 18:09:17 | hunger | bewmIES: dhcpcd was 40K iirc. |
| 18:09:24 | kergoth | bewmIES: yeah the buildsystem runs strip when it creates the ipk |
| 18:09:35 | bewmIES | hmm |
| 18:09:39 | kergoth | bewmIES: how large if you link pump against libpopt staticly? |
| 18:09:48 | bewmIES | 11:56 <bewmIES> -rwxr-xr-x 1 rwm rwm 441184 Apr 17 10:56 dhclient |
| 18:09:51 | bewmIES | That was stripped |
| 18:09:52 | kergoth | bewmIES: thereby eliminating the libpopt ipk |
| 18:09:55 | bewmIES | Good idea |
| 18:10:05 | bewmIES | I'll play with that later, just putzing between calls/projects |
| 18:12:39 | bewmIES | -rwxr-xr-x 1 rwm rwm 492924 Apr 17 13:15 pump |
| 18:12:39 | bewmIES | -rwxr-xr-x 1 rwm rwm 63836 Apr 17 13:15 pump.dynamic |
| 18:13:10 | bewmIES | whoa |
| 18:13:16 | bewmIES | It's so hot that my soda is walking across my desk |
| 18:13:21 | bewmIES | (condensation) |
| 18:13:34 | finkployd | bewmIES: I was going to guess acid :) |
| 18:13:41 | bewmIES | hah, I wish |
| 18:13:50 | bewmIES | The christmas lights in my office would entertain me for hours |
| 18:16:47 | benmeyer | Does anyone know of a way to use fdisk without using fdisk :) |
| 18:16:48 | benmeyer | haha |
| 18:17:02 | benmeyer | never mind |
| 18:17:30 | ljp_ | hehehe hmmm ya.. use the other partition thingy |
| 18:18:42 | killefiz | benmeyer: i'm missing the ultimate answer in your howto: should i buy a MMC or a SD now? |
| 18:19:08 | hunger | killefiz: MMC as it's cheaper. |
| 18:19:32 | finkployd | does anyone know if PalmOS can read MMC cards like the Z can? |
| 18:19:46 | benmeyer | up to you |
| 18:19:50 | Neo|Work | in ipkg HOWTO: "detailed explinations can" |
| 18:19:51 | benmeyer | :) |
| 18:19:54 | hunger | killefiz: SD cards are faster (which is not supported by the Z now anyway) and 'secure' in some underspezified manner (which is not used be the Z either) |
| 18:19:59 | benmeyer | they can read normal sd cards |
| 18:20:00 | Neo|Work | i.e typo in explinations there. :P |
| 18:20:06 | benmeyer | I have a palm sd card that I use on my z |
| 18:20:12 | killefiz | hunger: yeah ... but only abou 6$ cheaper |
| 18:20:17 | finkployd | benmeyer: Yeah, but can the palm read MMC card? |
| 18:20:27 | killefiz | i'm a bit worried about the "mmc" support |
| 18:20:36 | hunger | killefiz: It's more where I bought mine. |
| 18:20:45 | benmeyer | nto sure |
| 18:21:09 | killefiz | hunger: i'm in europe, so ... SD is 74 EUR and MMC is 66 EUR |
| 18:21:15 | killefiz | 64 MB |
| 18:21:49 | hunger | killefiz: Oh, SD cards can come with more storage space... |
| 18:22:16 | hunger | killefiz: There is a summary on memory cards in the current issue of the c't. |
| 18:22:22 | killefiz | i'm about to order a 256 MB CF for mp3 and a 64 SD or MMC for binaries/data |
| 18:22:36 | killefiz | hunger: i've read that - didn't help me tho |
| 18:23:08 | tux_mike | why isn't this creating a layout properly! >< |
| 18:23:08 | benmeyer | Fixed Spelling mistakes |
| 18:23:25 | hunger | killefiz: I found it rather informative in the theoretical kind of way:-) Nice background info, nothing good to decide what to buy. |
| 18:23:49 | killefiz | exactly ... it hadn't much to say on sd but that most information is kept secret |
| 18:24:02 | killefiz | should be _S_ecret _D_igital |
| 18:24:16 | kergoth | re |
| 18:24:30 | hunger | killefiz: I think SD is from our Z-centered point of few basically the same as MMC but can come in bigger sizes. |
| 18:24:53 | hunger | killefiz: Well, how many systems do you know of that stay secure as long as they stay secret;-) |
| 18:25:17 | kergoth | hunger: fyi, jason was saying that sd is capable of much higher speeds, but that the Z hardware doesnt take advantage of it |
| 18:25:27 | kergoth | hunger: compared to mmc i mean |
| 18:25:39 | killefiz | can the zaurus read mmc with open source drivers? |
| 18:25:43 | hunger | remembers a table where he was supposed to mark how he renamed files on a WinNT computer to make it secure. |
| 18:25:53 | kergoth | killefiz: are there any? |
| 18:26:02 | hunger | That chart came with the Multiuser-OS-extension we bought for a LOT of money. |
| 18:26:05 | kergoth | hah |
| 18:26:25 | killefiz | kergoth: i don't know. All I've read is that SD won't be supported by opensource drivers |
| 18:26:26 | hunger | kergoth: He's right. From what I heared MMC and SD are about the same on the Z. |
| 18:26:27 | finkployd | Ok, according to palm.com, MMC & SD cards will work in the Palm just like with the Z |
| 18:26:48 | kergoth | hunger: yeah. i'm going SD so it'll be useful in future hardware |
| 18:26:54 | kergoth | finkployd: ah |
| 18:28:48 | Gepeto | hey, can someone tell me if there is a way to get a symbol wifi working in the zaurus? |
| 18:30:08 | finkployd | Gepeto: Not yet |
| 18:30:13 | Gepeto | ok... |
| 18:34:27 | gillus | does someone have heard about pppoe support? |
| 18:35:11 | Gepeto | pppoe on your zaurus? |
| 18:35:17 | Gepeto | you wanna plug your dsl on the thing? :) |
| 18:35:17 | gillus | yes |
| 18:35:25 | gillus | why not :) |
| 18:35:38 | tux_mike | get one of those linksys routers |
| 18:35:42 | tux_mike | much better |
| 18:36:06 | Gepeto | I got a niiiiice Nexland router |
| 18:36:15 | Gepeto | in the cheap home routers category it's the best I ever seen |
| 18:36:38 | gillus | I use a gateway. |
| 18:36:59 | tux_mike | a gateway is a router. |
| 18:37:09 | gillus | yes a PC router |
| 18:37:20 | gillus | and it's quite noisy |
| 18:37:31 | tux_mike | oh, you are using a computer... do you use nat on it? |
| 18:37:37 | gillus | yes |
| 18:37:50 | MrX | is there a software which makes a pc with wlan adapter to a wlan access point ? |
| 18:37:53 | tux_mike | then you don't need pppoe on each internal machine |
| 18:38:12 | tux_mike | MrX: yes, the driver |
| 18:38:26 | gillus | I'd like to connect without starting the computer. |
| 18:38:50 | tux_mike | gillus: i don't know if anyone has. |
| 18:39:20 | gillus | I'll check in debian arm, I think it's the place to look at ;) |
| 18:39:24 | MrX | tux_mike: ? i only can use addhoc mode .. |
| 18:39:52 | gillus | ok bye all ! and thanks for the answers. |
| 18:40:34 | tux_mike | MrX: then you are doing something wrong. there are no daemons, or auxilliary programs needed to connect the Z to an ap |
| 18:41:50 | kergoth | ack.. |
| 18:42:08 | kergoth | this function relies on being called under certain cirtumstances.. |
| 18:42:19 | kergoth | checks errno immediately in the beginning of the function |
| 18:42:21 | tux_mike | hrm? |
| 18:42:26 | kergoth | depends on a certain function being called before it |
| 18:42:28 | kergoth | not good, imo |
| 18:42:46 | tux_mike | kergoth: what function? |
| 18:42:54 | MrX | tux_mike: the z works great with my linksys card ... and i use a usb wlan adapter on the pc side ... in add hoc mode .... i dont have an ap .... |
| 18:43:09 | kergoth | tux_mike: its in busybox ls.. i'm looking right at the reason that color listings always show red for the first file in the list :-) |
| 18:43:17 | kergoth | brb |
| 18:43:25 | tux_mike | MrX: well, this really isn't the place to ask on the pc side, but is it linux? |
| 18:43:50 | MrX | tux_mike: no ... windows .... |
| 18:43:54 | tux_mike | kergoth: if it needs that function called first, why not put it in the beginning |
| 18:44:02 | tux_mike | MrX: try reloading all the drivers |
| 18:44:12 | tux_mike | follow all the mfgr instructions |
| 18:45:33 | MrX | tux_mike: the wlan connect works from Z to PC .... |
| 18:46:17 | tux_mike | MrX: if the z is connection to the AP, and you can talk to the PC, the PC is connecting to the AP |
| 18:48:14 | MrX | tux_mike: thanks for yor help, my wlan work, i only searching a software which makes my pc with wlan card to an ap .... currently i only can connect one device to my pc, the z ... |
| 18:48:17 | ljp_ | kergoth: anyway to not boot into opie? I.e. the '/' option on the Sharp rm? |
| 18:48:55 | scribe | qpsword 1.5.1 released: http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/qpsword Added automated scrolling |
| 18:49:09 | kergoth | ljp_: not yet, i havent written that boot menu yet |
| 18:49:14 | ljp_ | crap |
| 18:49:18 | kergoth | ljp_: i'll probably just install dialog and throw together a shell script for it |
| 18:49:19 | kergoth | why? |
| 18:49:43 | ljp_ | I rebooted and when opie starts it freezes with a black screen\ |
| 18:49:51 | tux_mike | MrX: did you mean you can put your Z in Adhoc and connect that way? |
| 18:50:08 | tux_mike | ljp: i'm having some problems with linking textedit |
| 18:50:16 | kergoth | ljp_: ack |
| 18:50:36 | ljp_ | kergoth: hmm I took out the cf card and it poped me into console |
| 18:50:54 | kergoth | ack.. think the MediumMountGui killed you? |
| 18:51:01 | ljp_ | tux: There will be a new version tonight |
| 18:51:22 | tux_mike | ljp: ok. hopefully this'll clear up my link errors |
| 18:51:47 | scanline | is back (gone 01:02:16) |
| 18:52:04 | ljp_ | kergoth: possibly |
| 18:52:08 | tux_mike | now i need to find out why there's no layout! |
| 18:52:18 | MrX | tux_mike: i use my pc in addhoc mode with dhcp server (winroute) and the Z in addhoc mode which works great .... but i cant use my noterbook any more ... addhoc is point to point .... so i am seachring software which makes my pc like an ap ... |
| 18:52:38 | tux_mike | MrX: there is no such thing |
| 18:52:47 | tux_mike | you need an actual access point |
| 18:53:45 | tux_mike | with adhoc, granted the channel is right, you can have multiple devices work, it just gets slow and you don't get any signal info or anything |
| 18:53:58 | ljp_ | kergoth: that's got to be it, I tool out the cf, rebooted, and all went well, put it in, rebooted, and black screen at qpe |
| 18:54:11 | kergoth | hmm |
| 18:54:20 | kergoth | ljp_: try removing the .opiewhatever on the root of the CF card |
| 18:54:24 | kergoth | perhaps its corrupt? |
| 18:54:29 | ljp_ | ok |
| 18:54:43 | ljp_ | I thought I told it to not prompt.. |
| 18:55:01 | ljp_ | doesn't prompt when I stick it in |
| 18:55:41 | ljp_ | hmmm.. just crashed qpe by taking out the cf |
| 18:56:03 | tux_mike | whee |
| 18:56:48 | tux_mike | mental note... don't start an opie build while working on the address book :) |
| 18:57:30 | kergoth | ljp_: sounds like its eithe rmediummountgui or the cardmon |
| 18:58:02 | ljp_ | probably meduimmountgui |
| 18:58:20 | kergoth | kill the config file on the cf.. try again |
| 18:58:26 | kergoth | i've never seen that behavior before.. odd |
| 18:58:32 | ljp_ | crap! |
| 18:58:59 | tux_mike | find problem? |
| 18:59:47 | kergoth | ack, reboot time. this windows box is dyin |
| 19:00:10 | ljp_ | inserting cf crashes qpe now... |
| 19:10:20 | whardier | http://vash.umgllc.com/pencam.jpg |
| 19:10:24 | whardier | just bought one of these |
| 19:13:55 | BigBoss | is that a nose hair clipper? |
| 19:18:45 | benmeyer | BigBoss: can't get Folders yet? |
| 19:18:55 | benmeyer | This features isn't implimneted yet |
| 19:19:15 | tux_mike | hrm... |
| 19:19:55 | riskable | Good afternoon folks |
| 19:19:57 | benmeyer | hi risk |
| 19:20:30 | riskable | I'm bored out of my mind at work today |
| 19:20:39 | benmeyer | hey risk: you can have a article on how zli has over 100 apps |
| 19:20:52 | benmeyer | Show those editors |
| 19:20:52 | riskable | ZLI? |
| 19:21:00 | benmeyer | Zaurus software index |
| 19:21:04 | benmeyer | zsi sorry |
| 19:21:15 | riskable | Ahh, cool, good idea |
| 19:22:22 | riskable | Did ZSI hit 100 apps TODAY? |
| 19:22:25 | benmeyer | http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=78 |
| 19:22:28 | benmeyer | Last night |
| 19:22:31 | benmeyer | at 106 now |
| 19:22:44 | benmeyer | Updated Quake |
| 19:22:47 | riskable | Finally! Quake ipk |
| 19:22:58 | benmeyer | With instuctructions. It will soon be on the zz feed |
| 19:23:21 | killefiz | benmeyer: have you written the instructions on running quake? |
| 19:23:47 | MrX | how many fps makes the z in quake ? |
| 19:24:05 | treke | 1? |
| 19:24:11 | treke | maybe 2 |
| 19:24:24 | MrX | (cancel download) |
| 19:24:28 | riskable | wishes more people would submit downloads to Zaurus@LL |
| 19:24:29 | MrX | lol |
| 19:25:03 | riskable | News is posted |
| 19:25:06 | benmeyer | riskable I thought that the zli shared the db with you? |
| 19:25:08 | treke | riskable : http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php. Some cool stuff there |
| 19:25:54 | riskable | Well, ZSI and I are working together to share our info, but at the moment I'm just checking ZSI daily and updating Zaurus@LL |
| 19:26:08 | benmeyer | http://www.zauruszone.com/wiki/index.php?Feed |
| 19:26:12 | riskable | He has made his DB available to me and I have made mine available as well |
| 19:26:25 | benmeyer | ah cool |
| 19:26:38 | riskable | His database has more apps, mine has more info |
| 19:26:48 | benmeyer | I work for sharp and have been putting in a lot of the info |
| 19:26:50 | Neo|Work | you two should really merge your efforts |
| 19:26:51 | benmeyer | on his |
| 19:26:56 | benmeyer | yes I agree |
| 19:27:03 | Neo|Work | mainly because we (developers) can't remember to update all places |
| 19:27:14 | Neo|Work | so they will be at various stages of out-of-sync |
| 19:27:15 | killefiz | i agree too ;) |
| 19:27:19 | riskable | I'm OK with everyone just updating ZSI. New apps aren't added at such a rate that I can't keep up |
| 19:27:40 | riskable | I should mention that my Downloads section gets a ton of hits |
| 19:27:47 | Neo|Work | make one update interface and both use the same data if you want different sites. :P |
| 19:28:02 | Neo|Work | kinda like how dmoz |
| 19:28:03 | Neo|Work | work |
| 19:28:04 | Neo|Work | s |
| 19:28:41 | riskable | wishes he was a master programmer to pull off such a feat |
| 19:28:48 | tux_mike | egah |
| 19:28:51 | benmeyer | sorry busy :) |
| 19:28:55 | benmeyer | hehe |
| 19:28:55 | riskable | My DB has like six times more data than ZSI |
| 19:29:07 | benmeyer | data in what way? |
| 19:29:11 | tux_mike | can someone who's familar with layouts in qpe help me out? |
| 19:29:14 | killefiz | riskable: what are you missing? |
| 19:29:14 | benmeyer | you store the ipks locally don't you? |
| 19:29:46 | killefiz | i don't have information about the author |
| 19:31:01 | killefiz | there is a mysql-dump of the zsi at http://killefiz.de/zaurus/zaurus.dump in case anyone cares |
| 19:31:08 | riskable | Author info (name + email), category info is different (that can be modified though), filesize, version, and statistical information |
| 19:31:11 | killefiz | it's updated twice a day |
| 19:31:22 | riskable | Thanks, forgot that link :) |
| 19:31:55 | killefiz | riskable: I don't mind adding the author info - i don't want filesizes - version is there |
| 19:32:20 | BigBoss | riskable: I don't think your displayed hit counts are very accurate |
| 19:32:32 | riskable | The Zaurus@LL Download database is dumped to http://Zaurus.LovesLinux.com/downloads.sql twice a day as well. |
| 19:33:23 | killefiz | riskable: an applications db-id never changes so you'd have to merge the info that's in my db into yours and keep the statistical and voting stuff from you db |
| 19:33:23 | benmeyer | ok, so what database should we use :) |
| 19:33:39 | killefiz | benmeyer: you can always roll your own ;) |
| 19:33:42 | benmeyer | sigh |
| 19:33:50 | benmeyer | I don't want to roll my own :) |
| 19:34:07 | benmeyer | having one place for everyone to enter data is the goal |
| 19:34:16 | benmeyer | http://www.zaurusoft.com/ |
| 19:34:23 | benmeyer | yet another software index |
| 19:34:56 | BigBoss | we've just released tkcSoftwareIndex for the Zaurus - it tracks all the tkc applications that are available througha persistant internet connection |
| 19:35:11 | BigBoss | actually we just released an ODBC manager for Mac OS X today |
| 19:35:23 | BigBoss | i need to write a press release and find somewhere to stick it :) |
| 19:35:32 | benmeyer | tracks? |
| 19:35:33 | killefiz | is gone downloading the tkcSoftwareIndex killer app |
| 19:36:50 | benmeyer | What does it do? |
| 19:37:05 | benmeyer | BigBoss: When will the ability to download folders be added to the ftp client? |
| 19:37:07 | BigBoss | ben: it's a joke :) |
| 19:37:32 | BigBoss | ben: might be in the next release, we just added support for netware servers this week and a couple other things I forget |
| 19:37:41 | killefiz | because there are some authors around: what do you think about listing your name and email address in a software-listing? |
| 19:37:41 | riskable | Ugh! http://www.zaurusoft.com/ Now I gotta check there too?!? |
| 19:38:44 | riskable | makes a note that the emails listed in the downloads section on Zaurus@LL are spam-resisitante--must have a user account to view |
| 19:38:54 | nasa | BigBoss -- Can I ask you a question of tkcgallery? |
| 19:38:59 | riskable | No user account == no view author info |
| 19:39:29 | killefiz | riskable: i'm not only concerned about spamming but also about users using that address as hotline email withouth doing any research on their own |
| 19:39:36 | riskable | killefiz: The download for RAID is broken (got a bunch of broken URL reports on my site today) |
| 19:39:42 | killefiz | fine for commercial apps - not so for free software |
| 19:39:54 | killefiz | riskable: do you mirror it? |
| 19:40:04 | riskable | Well, I'm only adding the author info if it's readily available |
| 19:40:13 | riskable | killefiz: I'm about to =) |
| 19:41:02 | killefiz | the info is readily available most of the time but i'd say that the address at such a prominent position makes it too easy to complain there |
| 19:41:31 | killefiz | benmeyer: why have you removed raid from your feed? |
| 19:41:43 | killefiz | riskable: maybe i'm just wrong |
| 19:41:48 | benmeyer | Making your databases as similar as possible would be the best for then importing/exporting will be the easiest |
| 19:41:57 | benmeyer | yes I have removed raid |
| 19:42:11 | riskable | Mind if I put a copy of RAID for download on my site? |
| 19:42:14 | benmeyer | it accidently got up there and shouldn't have been released to public |
| 19:42:17 | benmeyer | Not yet |
| 19:42:29 | killefiz | do you want me to remove it? |
| 19:42:31 | riskable | OK, so should I remove it? |
| 19:42:32 | riskable | LOL |
| 19:42:33 | benmeyer | Yes please |
| 19:42:45 | benmeyer | A release will be coming out soon. |
| 19:43:03 | BigBoss | nasa: yes? |
| 19:43:12 | riskable | RAID hath been removed |
| 19:43:34 | tux_mike | http://www.cdw.com/shop/products/default.asp?EDC=380924 It's about damn time! |
| 19:43:54 | killefiz | damn. I need another app now. Riskable has annonced 106 in his article ;) |
| 19:44:10 | tux_mike | killefiz: you can take my ab prog :) |
| 19:44:14 | benmeyer | killfiz you didn't list raid did you? |
| 19:44:18 | riskable | :) |
| 19:44:29 | benmeyer | http://devel-home.kde.org/~larrosa/localizer.html |
| 19:44:35 | benmeyer | no package yet, but it is there |
| 19:44:41 | killefiz | benmeyer: it was in the index |
| 19:44:42 | benmeyer | wait |
| 19:44:45 | benmeyer | there is a package now! |
| 19:44:50 | benmeyer | There is one for you |
| 19:45:33 | Com[ANGRY | im gonna lose power. lightening storm |
| 19:45:35 | benmeyer | risk, all of your topics need to be of some porn type. Makes life more interesting |
| 19:45:46 | riskable | Sure thing |
| 19:45:48 | killefiz | tux_mike: ab prog? |
| 19:45:56 | benmeyer | I thought only theKompany got the chick taking her pants off |
| 19:46:00 | tux_mike | addressbook |
| 19:46:21 | killefiz | maybe you better add it yourself? |
| 19:46:27 | killefiz | http://killefiz.de/zaurus/submit.php |
| 19:46:42 | riskable | Nahh, that's just my general "Software" graphic |
| 19:46:43 | benmeyer | killfiz: are you adding localizer? |
| 19:47:02 | benmeyer | ok that is cool ( get to see it more often haha) |
| 19:47:08 | killefiz | benmeyer: i've looked over it but I have no idea how to describe it because i don't know what it does ;) |
| 19:47:09 | JasonNJ | zaurusporn.com |
| 19:47:15 | JasonNJ | thats what we need to be |
| 19:47:16 | benmeyer | or should I? |
| 19:47:16 | Com[ANGRY | [12PIMP] http://me.256k.net/casemod/ZAURUS-MODS/ |
| 19:47:19 | JasonNJ | the leader in handheld porn |
| 19:47:31 | Com[ANGRY | lol |
| 19:47:37 | killefiz | JasonNJ: Cool, that one's still free - go grab it ;) |
| 19:47:39 | riskable | Add your own download to Zaurus@LL: http://zaurus.loveslinux.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=Downloads&file=index&req=AddDownload |
| 19:49:02 | scanline | is away: class |
| 19:49:10 | benmeyer | killefiz: added |
| 19:49:11 | benmeyer | :) |
| 19:49:16 | riskable | What about me?!? |
| 19:49:42 | benmeyer | hehe |
| 19:49:49 | benmeyer | All I did was copy the name and url |
| 19:49:59 | benmeyer | I figured you would want a bit more then that |
| 19:50:13 | riskable | Ya |
| 19:50:24 | benmeyer | and besides you will sync up with his database :) |
| 19:50:25 | benmeyer | hehe |
| 19:50:30 | benmeyer | right? |
| 19:50:33 | riskable | Ugh |
| 19:50:37 | killefiz | riskable: what can I do to get us one database? |
| 19:51:07 | benmeyer | What if we shutdown one of the sites? |
| 19:51:11 | riskable | Tell me how I can modify my downloads section/code so I can import your data and I'd be happy to |
| 19:51:14 | benmeyer | Moved everythign over |
| 19:51:18 | benmeyer | ? |
| 19:51:25 | killefiz | benmeyer: fine with me |
| 19:51:34 | benmeyer | Which site? |
| 19:51:52 | killefiz | i don't care - i'd close mine although i like it ;) |
| 19:52:06 | riskable | I can give Killefiz admin access to my site in an instant :) |
| 19:52:25 | benmeyer | how does that sound killefiz? |
| 19:52:30 | kergoth | Found the solution to the first file always being red in color ls in oz3 |
| 19:52:31 | kergoth | :-) |
| 19:52:50 | killefiz | i'll close the site but i won't work on riskables - i hate nuke-sites |
| 19:52:57 | riskable | Ack! |
| 19:53:08 | benmeyer | nuke-sites? |
| 19:53:13 | riskable | What don't you like about PostNuke? |
| 19:53:16 | killefiz | php-nuke, whatever-nuke |
| 19:53:20 | benmeyer | ? |
| 19:53:24 | benmeyer | oh |
| 19:53:29 | riskable | I don't particularly like PHP-Nuke |
| 19:53:37 | hunger | kergoth: Somehow my filesystems are not unmounted before a reboot. |
| 19:53:40 | benmeyer | Oh hey risk: why are the Java and Qtopia apps seperated? |
| 19:54:05 | BigBoss | use tkcWebManager - host and manage your web site on a 'net connected Z - only $19.95 |
| 19:54:05 | riskable | I kept them separated because for a while there the only java apps I could find couldn't be sent to the background on the Z |
| 19:54:11 | benmeyer | Ok, we wont close it then. |
| 19:54:23 | benmeyer | Just need an easy automated way to intigrate them |
| 19:54:30 | benmeyer | i.e. move data over every night |
| 19:54:30 | riskable | i.e. any java app available was supremely annoying and "different" |
| 19:54:37 | benmeyer | hehe |
| 19:54:38 | benmeyer | true |
| 19:54:55 | riskable | I've since seen better java apps, which leads me to blame the programmers :) |
| 19:55:08 | riskable | For instance, Othello runs well |
| 19:55:33 | riskable | I could add a flag to my downloads though that would say whether or not an app is java |
| 19:55:42 | riskable | Hmm... That seems like a better idea |
| 19:56:06 | killefiz | riskable: why not put one app into different categories? |
| 19:56:10 | killefiz | like othello in games and java |
| 19:56:14 | BigBoss | use tkcJava - it's our own clean room implimentation of Java that runs in 1k of RAM |
| 19:56:24 | riskable | BigBoss: LOL |
| 19:56:57 | riskable | I'd rather see tkcBigBoss |
| 19:57:01 | benmeyer | I remember making Mario with all the levels was only 4K for the Z86... |
| 19:57:38 | BigBoss | hey I like the idea of tkcBigBoss. It would be a fat stick man running around telling little stick men what to do |
| 19:57:46 | BigBoss | you try to get as many stick men to cry as possible |
| 19:57:47 | riskable | killefiz: Othello in games and java could work, but it might be confusing |
| 19:58:06 | BigBoss | you need to normalize the database so that an application can apply to 'n' categories |
| 19:58:14 | BigBoss | category should be it's own table |
| 19:58:27 | riskable | is not a very good programmer |
| 19:58:37 | riskable | Categories *are* their own table |
| 19:58:39 | killefiz | BigBoss: in theory that's how it's supposed to be |
| 19:58:56 | killefiz | I did go the easy way and gave each app five category fields |
| 19:59:03 | riskable | However, more than one category assigned to a single software item is a bit more difficult |
| 19:59:25 | killefiz | i've never seen a reasonably complex fully normalized database in my professional life |
| 19:59:29 | killefiz | except for in books |
| 19:59:35 | BigBoss | oh god, I feel like I'm at my last contract doing y2k and looking at the stupid database |
| 19:59:43 | BigBoss | you never fully normalize |
| 19:59:46 | BigBoss | it isn't realistic |
| 20:00:02 | BigBoss | you go as far as you can, maybe 4th normal form, then pull it back one level so that it's usable |
| 20:00:35 | BigBoss | I've designed, deployed and programmed databases for billion dollar companies. I use to teach this shit too |
| 20:00:43 | BigBoss | you forget how old I am :) |
| 20:01:07 | killefiz | yeah right ... that was 62, wasn't it? ;) |
| 20:01:31 | nasa | That's not called for |
| 20:01:31 | riskable | 52 |
| 20:01:33 | riskable | LOL |
| 20:01:48 | riskable | I just got an idea |
| 20:01:57 | Neo|Work | BigBoss: in regards to tkcJava: I'm sure it has a 400 KB splashscreen tho. :-)) |
| 20:01:57 | killefiz | tell us |
| 20:02:07 | mark | hi all |
| 20:02:13 | killefiz | NeoTron: good point |
| 20:02:14 | riskable | I just need a community volunteer to update my downloads from ZSI manually daily |
| 20:02:37 | BigBoss | my mom is 57 so I can't be too old :) |
| 20:02:53 | killefiz | riskable: all we have to do is have one set of categories |
| 20:03:05 | riskable | Well, that can be done |
| 20:03:06 | nasa | Wait -- does that mean I am older than you? |
| 20:03:18 | riskable | wasn't alive in 62' |
| 20:03:46 | killefiz | riskable: is you database accessable from outside? |
| 20:03:57 | riskable | I can make it accessable |
| 20:04:09 | killefiz | I can take care of updating all information that is in my db for you then |
| 20:04:21 | riskable | ...as long as the categories are the same? |
| 20:04:28 | kergoth | shoots usb-storage module |
| 20:04:39 | killefiz | takes this into private chat |
| 20:04:46 | ljp_ | shoots vfat filesystem |
| 20:04:58 | kergoth | usb-storage just crashed my box. AGAIN. |
| 20:05:01 | kergoth | ljp_: probs? |
| 20:05:01 | bewmIES | What kernel? |
| 20:05:07 | bewmIES | I had problems with it on 2.4.19-pre1 |
| 20:05:09 | bewmIES | (usb-storage) |
| 20:05:11 | mark | kergoth: hehe |
| 20:05:15 | bewmIES | It's been fine under 2.4.16 |
| 20:05:42 | kergoth | bewmIES: yeah this box is a 2.4.18 pre + o(1) scheduler.. my box at home is a 2.4.19pre, crashes less |
| 20:05:47 | Neo|Work | is away: afk |
| 20:05:51 | BigBoss | nasa: you might be older than me - I don't know :) |
| 20:05:55 | kergoth | bewmIES: it seems to crash in newer kernels regardless.. but seems worse on SMP boxes |
| 20:05:56 | ljp_ | that crash was casued by a seriously messed up filesystem |
| 20:06:04 | kergoth | bewmIES: i should pester gregkh |
| 20:06:11 | bewmIES | It's not his module :) |
| 20:06:11 | kergoth | ljp_: ah shit.. |
| 20:06:20 | ljp_ | on the cf card |
| 20:06:20 | bewmIES | He's the usb subsystem maintainer but somebody else maintains usb-storage AFAIK |
| 20:06:21 | nasa | Yeah, but older doesn't always mean wiser..... |
| 20:06:32 | kergoth | bewmIES: yeah, but i like to give him shit once in a while |
| 20:06:35 | bewmIES | heh |
| 20:06:43 | ljp_ | and running fsck.vfat just made it worse |
| 20:06:55 | kergoth | ljp_: that sucks. time to wipe and start fresh? |
| 20:07:09 | hunger | kergoth: I have a serious problem: My FSes do not get unmounted before reboot/halt. I guess that's what broke mtdram for me. |
| 20:07:16 | ljp_ | yep. I'm gonna try pulling some files off it first |
| 20:07:24 | kergoth | hunger: hmmm.. ls -l /etc/rc6.d/ |
| 20:07:28 | kergoth | ljp_: cool cool |
| 20:08:39 | hunger | kergoth: Nothing about umountfs nor umountnfs.sh. |
| 20:08:46 | kergoth | hmm |
| 20:08:51 | kergoth | what version of oz-base are you on? |
| 20:08:51 | hunger | kergoth: Those two do not work with busybox anyway:-( |
| 20:09:48 | bewmIES | Do they #!/bin/bash? |
| 20:10:03 | hunger | kergoth: From today. |
| 20:10:19 | hunger | kergoth: Got initrd.bin this morning and then upgraded later. |
| 20:10:23 | riskable | busybox needs swapon -l and swapon -s ! |
| 20:10:32 | hunger | bewmIES: busybox's mount does not like the parameters. |
| 20:10:52 | kergoth | #! /bin/sh |
| 20:10:52 | kergoth | # |
| 20:10:52 | kergoth | # umountfs Turn off swap and unmount all local file systems. |
| 20:11:01 | kergoth | ah |
| 20:11:07 | bewmIES | It doesn't like umount -ttmpfs $FORCE -a -r |
| 20:11:09 | bewmIES | Which one? |
| 20:11:24 | bewmIES | hates it when he forgets to ^U |
| 20:11:43 | bewmIES | It probably doesn't like the -t{tmpfs,noproc} |
| 20:11:44 | hunger | bewmIES: Haven't checked yet. I am rebooting. |
| 20:11:57 | kergoth | bewmIES: busybox mount doesnt seem to handle mount -a with a -t flag |
| 20:12:13 | kergoth | bewmIES: the same problem existed in the mountall script, resulted in things being mounted twice |
| 20:12:15 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:12:16 | bewmIES | Feed the bug to Pikazauru, see if he'll eat it. |
| 20:12:29 | benmeyer | What type is DOS is fdisk? 72 or 75? |
| 20:12:48 | benmeyer | can't umount drives on server to test :) |
| 20:13:14 | tux_mike | benmeyer: you looking for a fat 16 partiton type? |
| 20:13:18 | benmeyer | yup |
| 20:13:25 | benmeyer | msdos |
| 20:13:31 | benmeyer | the default of cf cards |
| 20:13:41 | tux_mike | i think fat 16 is type 0x06... lemme check |
| 20:14:38 | tux_mike | fat16 > 32M is 0x06, fat16 < 32 is 0x04 |
| 20:15:25 | benmeyer | Which type is that? |
| 20:15:34 | benmeyer | 83 is linux |
| 20:15:39 | hunger | kergoth: It does not like -a even without -t |
| 20:15:41 | tux_mike | 0x83 |
| 20:15:47 | kergoth | hunger: for mount, or umount? |
| 20:15:54 | hunger | kergoth: umount |
| 20:16:12 | tux_mike | just do t, partiton, 6 if it's over 32M |
| 20:16:32 | bewmIES | Did you type 'L' in fdisk? |
| 20:16:36 | benmeyer | What is 75? |
| 20:16:44 | benmeyer | and 72? |
| 20:16:45 | tux_mike | 75 is PC/IX |
| 20:16:46 | bewmIES | Look at b, c, and d |
| 20:16:52 | benmeyer | weird |
| 20:16:52 | bewmIES | Command (m for help): L |
| 20:16:52 | benmeyer | ok |
| 20:16:53 | tux_mike | 72 is unregisterd |
| 20:16:54 | hunger | kergoth: Looks to me like umount -a -r -f goes over /etc/fstab and breaks as soon as it finds a FS that's unmounted there. |
| 20:16:58 | benmeyer | 6 it is |
| 20:17:08 | tux_mike | bewmIES: those are for fat32 and LBA modes |
| 20:17:13 | bewmIES | Yeah, I didn't say those were it |
| 20:17:20 | bewmIES | But if he had looked at 'L' he wouldn't be asking :) |
| 20:17:26 | tux_mike | jah |
| 20:17:28 | tux_mike | yah |
| 20:17:41 | kergoth | hunger: no. umount -r -f -a works fine, it just fails trying remount mtdram read only |
| 20:17:50 | kergoth | hunger: because mtdram wont mount read only |
| 20:18:15 | hunger | kergoth: I get 'umount: forced umount of ramfs failed!' |
| 20:18:24 | kergoth | yeah |
| 20:18:28 | kergoth | its busy |
| 20:18:31 | kergoth | so cant be unmounted |
| 20:19:00 | kergoth | hunger: who cares? it doesnt matter if ramfs fails to unmount |
| 20:19:07 | kergoth | hunger: those get wiped on reboot anyway (/tmp, /var) |
| 20:19:17 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:19:31 | kergoth | hunger: fyi, the first item in a ls being always red is fixed :-) |
| 20:19:42 | hunger | kergoth: So it is save to just remove -tnoproc in /etc/init.d/umountfs? |
| 20:19:57 | hunger | kergoth: Is the fix in the feed yet? |
| 20:20:03 | kergoth | hunger: not yet.. hold on |
| 20:20:15 | hunger | kergoth: What good is it to me then ;-) |
| 20:20:51 | kergoth | hehe. patience! |
| 20:20:54 | kergoth | it was interesting |
| 20:20:59 | kergoth | if you touch /etc/localtime, the problem went away |
| 20:21:00 | kergoth | lol |
| 20:21:34 | kergoth | it was due to fgcolor function checking the value of errno.. and it was picking up errno from an old syscall, rather than the most recent one, which succeeded |
| 20:22:40 | kergoth | hunger: 1) delete the -ttmpfs line, we have no tmpfs filesystems... 2) remove -tnoproc from the next umount |
| 20:22:56 | hunger | kergoth: Did that, did not help. |
| 20:23:05 | kergoth | define 'did not help' |
| 20:23:09 | hunger | kergoth: Maybe I forgot to sync again:-) |
| 20:23:12 | kergoth | it unmounts all the partitions except ramfs |
| 20:23:15 | JasonNJ | kergoth: initrd beta4 ready yet? |
| 20:23:20 | kergoth | it shouldve unmounted mtdblock6.. |
| 20:23:21 | kergoth | hm |
| 20:23:26 | JasonNJ | I cant wait until this thing is usable |
| 20:23:44 | killefiz | JasonNJ: The Zaurus? Yeah ... me too |
| 20:23:49 | killefiz | SCNR |
| 20:23:54 | JasonNJ | har har |
| 20:24:03 | kergoth | JasonNJ: getting there. embeddedkonsole works with a caveat... and usb networking is functional now |
| 20:24:14 | JasonNJ | ah veddy good. |
| 20:24:26 | JasonNJ | whats wrong with konsole |
| 20:24:28 | riskable | I can't believe my site has received over 65,000 page views already |
| 20:24:41 | kergoth | JasonNJ: embeddedkonsole doesnt like running busybox sh.. at all.. |
| 20:24:46 | kergoth | JasonNJ: if /bin/sh is bash, it works |
| 20:24:49 | kergoth | JasonNJ: lol.. its weird |
| 20:25:07 | JasonNJ | that is strange |
| 20:25:19 | kergoth | yeah i'm going to dig into it.. because bash is huge compared to busybox sh |
| 20:25:23 | kergoth | but for the moment.. |
| 20:25:24 | hunger | kergoth: Another embeddedkonsole bug: |
| 20:25:25 | JasonNJ | but isnt sh the same thing as busybox, just an older version |
| 20:25:39 | JasonNJ | the one implemented on the sharp rom? |
| 20:25:44 | hunger | kergoth: It allways uses /root for the homedirectory. |
| 20:25:44 | kergoth | JasonNJ: busybox contains numerous apps.. ls.. mv... cp... etc.. |
| 20:25:47 | JasonNJ | or is the sharp rom full blown sh |
| 20:25:50 | kergoth | JasonNJ: busybox sh is just one function |
| 20:25:52 | kergoth | hunger: so? |
| 20:26:02 | kergoth | JasonNJ: sharp uses an old ass version of busybox |
| 20:26:12 | hunger | kergoth: I set root's homedir to /home/root. |
| 20:26:16 | kergoth | hunger: why? |
| 20:26:31 | kergoth | hunger: i'm not doing that on the official initrd |
| 20:26:34 | hunger | kergoth: Because that's on SD and has more space:-) |
| 20:26:36 | riskable | When's the next official Sharp ROM release? June? |
| 20:26:37 | kergoth | ah.. |
| 20:26:39 | kergoth | :-) |
| 20:26:52 | nyargh | hey |
| 20:26:53 | kergoth | hunger: fyi, i'll be writing a quick and dirty app to select where you want your Documents dir :-) |
| 20:26:54 | nyargh | anyone used the POCKET-PAL Solar Charger? |
| 20:27:06 | hunger | kergoth: embeddedconsole ignores that change, ssh and the console accept it. |
| 20:27:07 | JasonNJ | riskable: may |
| 20:27:21 | JasonNJ | possibly earlier |
| 20:27:24 | riskable | Cool |
| 20:27:33 | hunger | kergoth: I have such an app. |
| 20:27:34 | riskable | Any ideas on what it's going to update? |
| 20:27:52 | hunger | kergoth: It's called 'ln' and comes preinstalled;-) |
| 20:28:00 | kergoth | hunger: lol |
| 20:28:16 | kergoth | hunger: i want oz3 to be usable by the end user as well :-) |
| 20:28:40 | kergoth | hunger: fyi, the oz-base update i'm working on now properly sets conffiles, so it shouldnt blow away your files |
| 20:28:44 | hunger | kergoth: I'll settle with it being useable for me first:-) |
| 20:28:46 | kergoth | hunger: in theory anyway |
| 20:28:47 | kergoth | hah |
| 20:29:06 | kergoth | well, one thing at a time. that utility is a long way off. i've got critical bugs to fix first ;-) |
| 20:29:27 | kergoth | okay, i think i fixed the umountfs script |
| 20:29:38 | hunger | kergoth: I added a lot of reports today. Most are about packaging, so they are not that important though. |
| 20:29:50 | kergoth | hunger: k, i'll drop the priority and work on them when i can |
| 20:30:01 | kergoth | hunger: thanks again for the testing. these reports help alot |
| 20:30:03 | hunger | kergoth: I droped the priority allready. |
| 20:30:10 | kergoth | ah. thanks |
| 20:30:42 | hunger | kergoth: I raised the priority of the umountfs-bug too:-) |
| 20:30:52 | kergoth | k |
| 20:31:03 | JasonNJ | anyone here know anything about GPS cards? |
| 20:31:06 | kergoth | I'll close the red top list entry in ls bug |
| 20:31:14 | JasonNJ | I gots me one here that I'd like to see a driver written for. |
| 20:31:30 | kergoth | yeah ben was mentioning that yesterday |
| 20:31:45 | kergoth | brb |
| 20:32:02 | tux_mike | JasonNJ: so, were you the guy from NJ who won? :) |
| 20:32:14 | BigBoss | jason: what about them? |
| 20:34:18 | JasonNJ | I just got me in the new CompactGPS from Pretec |
| 20:34:23 | JasonNJ | I want someone to do a driver for it. |
| 20:34:42 | JasonNJ | tux_mike: all I win is a big friggin headache |
| 20:34:49 | JasonNJ | and a free trip to the looney bin |
| 20:34:53 | killefiz | JasonNJ: Someone asked for gps-users on one of the lists today |
| 20:34:59 | killefiz | he has some sort of application reade |
| 20:35:00 | tux_mike | JasonNJ: lol :) |
| 20:35:05 | killefiz | s/reade/ready/ |
| 20:35:13 | JasonNJ | I gots me that pretec in a nice new box |
| 20:35:25 | JasonNJ | if someone is dedicated to doing a driver for it, I'll send it out |
| 20:36:04 | tux_mike | JasonNJ: i wonder if it works like a pcmcia serial device |
| 20:36:20 | JasonNJ | it is serial I think |
| 20:36:22 | kergoth | JasonNJ: i'd do it just for the hell of it if i had the time, which i dont |
| 20:36:24 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:36:41 | tux_mike | i'd do it if i knew how to do kernel programming :) |
| 20:37:07 | kergoth | I'm no expert in any programming, but i can get shit done in either user or kernel space |
| 20:37:08 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:37:27 | kergoth | hunger: alright, after the umounts bug, what do you see as being the highest priority? |
| 20:37:33 | kergoth | need opinions |
| 20:37:36 | hunger | kergoth: DHCP |
| 20:37:40 | tux_mike | i'm rather new to the whole c thing, but i seem to be figuring it all out :) |
| 20:37:49 | kergoth | hunger: k, we'll check with bewmIES for a status update on that |
| 20:37:59 | hunger | kergoth: Then SSH |
| 20:38:08 | kergoth | tux_mike: ah cool.. yea it really isnt that difficult. even kernel space isnt that hard, once you get the feel for it |
| 20:38:15 | tux_mike | yah |
| 20:38:22 | hunger | kergoth: After that: misc apps (less, gpg, etc.) |
| 20:38:33 | kergoth | hunger: ah.. gotcha. i saw a7r talking about the crapped package of sshd in familiar unstable.. hehe. |
| 20:38:38 | tux_mike | i need to play around with some more advanced things. but i'd like to learn asm first. |
| 20:38:40 | kergoth | hunger: which we know all too well |
| 20:39:03 | kergoth | we need qipkg installing to mtdram/cf/sd.. thats huge |
| 20:39:12 | kergoth | tux_mike: asm is fun, i think |
| 20:39:19 | hunger | kergoth: I have my Z up and running now, compllete with ethernet and all. Thanks for your work! |
| 20:39:31 | tux_mike | fsck yeah! it works! right! :) |
| 20:39:53 | hunger | kergoth: I absolutly don't see the need for ipkg installing to CF/SD. |
| 20:39:56 | Neo|Work | JasonNJ: heh, if I ever had done anything like it, I'd be thrilled. :P |
| 20:40:08 | kergoth | hunger: yeah well, you have a 5500.. :-) |
| 20:40:12 | hunger | kergoth: My complete OPIE is installed on SD just fine! |
| 20:40:13 | bewmIES | heh |
| 20:40:15 | Neo|Work | JasonNJ: does it have any decent docs anyway? |
| 20:40:29 | bewmIES | I like being able to flash and have my data hang around. |
| 20:40:33 | bewmIES | But that's just me |
| 20:40:37 | kergoth | bewmIES: so pump built staticly was huge eh? |
| 20:40:40 | bewmIES | Yeah |
| 20:40:46 | kergoth | thats too bad |
| 20:40:48 | kergoth | ah well |
| 20:40:51 | bewmIES | I'll spend more time on it tonight provided my cable doesn't suck again |
| 20:41:06 | bewmIES | I'm gonna build the ISC client again and see which is a better fit |
| 20:41:18 | kergoth | cool. compare, contrast, let me know |
| 20:41:19 | kergoth | :-) |
| 20:41:23 | bewmIES | will do :) |
| 20:41:26 | hunger | kergoth: I still have about 7MB free in the flash. I need more (console) apps to put there;-) |
| 20:41:42 | kergoth | does a cvs diff to make sure he hasnt been making changes and not committing them |
| 20:41:47 | kergoth | hunger: hehe. |
| 20:41:53 | bewmIES | Use my cstatus alias |
| 20:42:01 | kergoth | hunger: thats cuz you're a console guy. let me guess, you want mutt ported too? ;-) |
| 20:42:02 | bewmIES | alias cstatus='cvs status 2>&1 | grep Status: | grep -v Up\-to' |
| 20:42:03 | bewmIES | alias makecvslog='rcs2log -u '\''rwm Ryan W. Maple ryan@guardiandigital.com'\''' |
| 20:42:15 | bewmIES | cstatus is good for everthing except files you forgot to add :) |
| 20:42:24 | tux_mike | whee! commit this sh*t! :) |
| 20:42:31 | kergoth | hehe.. thats a good idea. better than cscrolling through a long ass diff |
| 20:42:43 | bewmIES | or the 'cvs status' output |
| 20:42:58 | killefiz | kergoth: zmutt and i'm in heaven |
| 20:42:59 | whardier | 2.2 megs of stupid |
| 20:43:00 | whardier | http://vash.umgllc.com/stupid.mpg |
| 20:43:02 | whardier | testing out new camera |
| 20:43:37 | hunger | kergoth: Maybe I'll reflash to the 48/16 kernel again tomorrow. |
| 20:44:05 | hunger | kergoth: Have to test wether the corruption problems I saw are gone now with the umountfs fix. |
| 20:44:10 | kergoth | k |
| 20:44:17 | kergoth | i'll update the feed in a few |
| 20:44:41 | hunger | kergoth: Besides: I have no idea what I can do to actually use 64MB of RAM in such a small device;-) |
| 20:44:49 | mark | play quake |
| 20:44:50 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:45:02 | warmi | man .. I am busy today .... hate days like that |
| 20:45:16 | mark | warmi: did you get my message asking if i can use ur image? |
| 20:45:30 | tux_mike | time to rebuild for arm |
| 20:45:57 | warmi | mark: which email address did you send it too ? |
| 20:46:05 | mark | warmi: irc :) |
| 20:46:21 | warmi | oh .. sorry, what was that ? |
| 20:47:14 | mark | i was just wondering if i could use that image you have on ur web page on mine |
| 20:47:22 | warmi | hell yeah |
| 20:47:34 | warmi | use whatever you want :-) |
| 20:47:38 | mark | you sure? |
| 20:47:41 | warmi | I got to go back to work .. huh , it sucks |
| 20:47:44 | warmi | yeah, I am sure |
| 20:47:48 | mark | thanks |
| 20:49:21 | hunger | how do I download a file with konqueror-embedded? |
| 20:50:55 | hunger | Oh, I see: The same way as with opieftp: Not at all;-) |
| 20:51:22 | treke | opieftp doesnt do downloads? |
| 20:51:40 | treke | it does uploads |
| 20:51:48 | ljp_ | it does downloads |
| 20:51:58 | hunger | treke: I'm kidding. Well, I have not found out how to download;-) |
| 20:52:16 | hunger | treke: And when I asked how to do so yesterday nobody answered. |
| 20:52:18 | ljp_ | I use opieftp everyday |
| 20:53:59 | treke | I havent tried downloading yet, but presume it works |
| 20:54:45 | hunger | treke: Maybe it was some strange link or something that confused opieftp or maybe I'm just stupid. |
| 20:58:30 | ljp_ | heh.. I dunno.. but I biased for opieftp anyway |
| 20:58:34 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:58:45 | kergoth | i wonder why ;-) |
| 20:58:58 | kergoth | speaking of which, are you going to make your file manager available? ;-) |
| 20:59:01 | kergoth | brb |
| 20:59:08 | mark | kergoth: i've missed out convs, (been looking at kvim), can i have an oz3 status report? |
| 20:59:30 | ljp_ | kergoth: yes.. |
| 20:59:50 | ljp_ | I suppose I could up it to cvs tonight |
| 21:00:18 | ljp_ | I've added a couple things, like quick buttons to cf and sd |
| 21:00:41 | ljp_ | but I need to get mount info from storage class... |
| 21:01:03 | kergoth | mark: top file being red in color ls is fixed. usb networking works. umountfs was broken, but should work now. not much other than that. I'm working on adding ldconfig to oz3 so we can update ld.so.cache to contain libncurses info.. that way bash can be used as a root shell... |
| 21:01:06 | kergoth | ljp_; ah... |
| 21:01:24 | ljp_ | git tired of clicking to /mnt/cf |
| 21:01:30 | mark | kergoth: sounds good, i must get my usb networking set up soon |
| 21:01:47 | kergoth | mark: enough bugs are fixed in packages that i may do a beta4 soon |
| 21:01:58 | ljp_ | I think you should |
| 21:02:00 | mark | nice |
| 21:02:20 | kergoth | yeah. being able to use usb networking wil lmake the upgrade process easier |
| 21:02:21 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:02:24 | hunger | kergoth: I need to reflash again. |
| 21:02:59 | hunger | kergoth: Having more then 25MB free with nethack, konqueror, embeddedconsole and sysinfo running is just too much:-) |
| 21:02:59 | kergoth | hunger: ack! what now? |
| 21:03:04 | kergoth | lol |
| 21:03:10 | kergoth | thats nuts |
| 21:03:16 | kergoth | wayyy overkill |
| 21:03:24 | ljp_ | damn, kergoth.. you can't believe the recursive filesystem mess I had on cf.. |
| 21:03:31 | hunger | kergoth: Yeap. I'll go down to 32/32 I think. |
| 21:04:04 | kergoth | ljp_: lol.. howd that happen? perhaps due to the umountfs script bug hunger reported? |
| 21:04:55 | ljp_ | I'm not real, sure.. but using fsck.vfat made it worse. and btw.. fsck.vfat crashed on OZ |
| 21:05:03 | kergoth | hmm |
| 21:05:12 | ljp_ | 'Bus error' |
| 21:05:27 | kergoth | oh fun |
| 21:05:28 | kergoth | grr |
| 21:05:31 | ljp_ | might have been the cracked fs, tho.but it worked on the sharp |
| 21:05:37 | kergoth | man, 26 bugs.. thanks a lot hunger.. lol |
| 21:05:42 | ljp_ | well ran anyway |
| 21:05:49 | ljp_ | ya I saw that |
| 21:06:13 | kergoth | man i need it to default the list descending by priority. |
| 21:06:24 | hunger | kergoth: Well, don't produce so many, then I won't need to report so much;-) |
| 21:06:30 | kergoth | hah |
| 21:06:31 | scanline | is back (gone 01:17:29) |
| 21:07:39 | hunger | kergoth: Are the fixes in the feed yet? |
| 21:08:38 | kergoth | hunger: hold, fixing the oz-base / libc6 conflict |
| 21:08:43 | killefiz | hunger: are you tobias@users.sf.net? |
| 21:08:56 | hunger | killefiz: Yeap, that's me. |
| 21:09:19 | killefiz | i'm amused by the fact that "German" counts as skill at the SF Skill Inventory ;) |
| 21:09:25 | kergoth | lol |
| 21:09:31 | killefiz | Does it list cooking too? |
| 21:09:39 | kergoth | shit, i dont remember what packages i updated.. lets see |
| 21:09:55 | kergoth | libc6... oz-base.. and busybox snapshot |
| 21:10:19 | hunger | killefiz: SF is an US site;-) You can notice that in those little details. |
| 21:11:35 | killefiz | i have to update my resume: "German Wizard" sounds cool ;) |
| 21:11:44 | kergoth | ljp_, hunger, mark: libc6, busybox, and oz-base updated in the feed. |
| 21:12:31 | killefiz | User Name: |
| 21:12:31 | killefiz | tobias Resume: |
| 21:12:31 | killefiz | I am a student of computer science in Kaiserslautern, Germany. |
| 21:12:31 | killefiz | My main interests are network- and computer security. |
| 21:12:32 | killefiz | Skill Inventory |
| 21:12:35 | ljp_ | libc6? |
| 21:12:51 | kergoth | ljp_: minor. added a default ld.so.conf .. though ldconfig isnt in yet |
| 21:12:57 | ljp_ | oh |
| 21:13:03 | killefiz | oups - sorry that was not intended! |
| 21:13:16 | killefiz | damn cut&paste |
| 21:15:18 | hunger | kergoth: Great! Now I *REALLY* need to reflash tomorrow! |
| 21:15:29 | hunger | kergoth: libc is no longer found. |
| 21:16:11 | kergoth | hunger: hm? its in the feed... |
| 21:16:16 | kergoth | hmm |
| 21:16:26 | hunger | kergoth: Not found as in: |
| 21:16:33 | hunger | /mnt/card/home/root# ls |
| 21:16:33 | hunger | ls: error while loading shared libraries: libc.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 21:16:41 | mark | kergoth: i've hacked kvim to no longer need to link directly to X |
| 21:17:31 | kergoth | hunger: err.. it shouldve been in the libc package... argh! |
| 21:17:41 | kergoth | hunger: did you update oz-base before libc? |
| 21:18:02 | hunger | kergoth: I think afterwards. Not sure, just ipkg upgraded |
| 21:18:18 | kergoth | ah.. |
| 21:18:19 | kergoth | hmm |
| 21:19:39 | kergoth | hunger: well, i'll have beta4 out by the time you reflash most likely |
| 21:19:41 | hunger | kergoth: oz-base got updated before libc6. |
| 21:19:52 | kergoth | ah shit |
| 21:19:57 | kergoth | and oz-base doenst depend on libc... |
| 21:19:57 | hunger | kergoth: libc6 did not get updated since libc.so.6 was not found. |
| 21:19:59 | kergoth | so boom |
| 21:20:06 | kergoth | mutters |
| 21:20:43 | hunger | not found as in 'the library was no longer installed'. |
| 21:23:02 | benmeyer | Anyone got Samaba working? |
| 21:23:19 | ljp_ | samaba? |
| 21:23:29 | benmeyer | yah |
| 21:23:36 | kergoth | hah |
| 21:23:42 | benmeyer | hah? |
| 21:23:45 | benmeyer | There is a ipk of it |
| 21:23:53 | ljp_ | you mean samba? |
| 21:23:55 | kergoth | lol |
| 21:23:57 | benmeyer | yah |
| 21:23:58 | benmeyer | that |
| 21:24:17 | kergoth | busybox cvs now uses the same config system as the linux kernel |
| 21:24:18 | kergoth | how nifty |
| 21:24:28 | kergoth | make menucofnig |
| 21:24:32 | kergoth | s/fn/nf/ |
| 21:25:23 | ljp_ | I stopped using samba some time aqgo and just scp things |
| 21:25:37 | kergoth | anyone know how to control the key mapping in bash? |
| 21:25:51 | benmeyer | contumplates that fact that he needs a windows box to even test samba... |
| 21:26:56 | benmeyer | Where do I get the telnet serveR? |
| 21:27:25 | killefiz | benmeyer: it's sitting right there in you rom |
| 21:27:35 | killefiz | just uncomment the line in inetd.conf |
| 21:27:39 | benmeyer | ok, how do enable it :) |
| 21:27:49 | hunger | kergoth: It would really really rock if there was a new initrd with dhcp client and ssh when I'm going to flash my Z again tomorrow;-) |
| 21:30:06 | ljp_ | needs to get masq/forwarding to the Z working at some point |
| 21:30:16 | kergoth | ljp_: iptables is in th ebuildsystem |
| 21:30:20 | kergoth | hunger: good possibility |
| 21:30:54 | benmeyer | hmm, removing the # didn't work |
| 21:31:00 | benmeyer | how do I restart the inetd server? |
| 21:31:08 | killefiz | killall -HUP inetd |
| 21:31:12 | benmeyer | I think this would be a nice feature for the security tab |
| 21:31:13 | hunger | kergoth: I'd be eternally grateful. |
| 21:31:19 | benmeyer | telnet server on/off |
| 21:31:56 | kergoth | damn busybox has a lot of new functionality i missed |
| 21:32:12 | kergoth | do we need adjtimex? dc? dutmp? mt? readlink? watchdog? update? |
| 21:32:32 | benmeyer | what is the default password? |
| 21:32:33 | hunger | kergoth: If it's there anyway... why not? |
| 21:32:43 | hunger | benmeyer: There is none. |
| 21:32:45 | kergoth | hunger: increases the size of the busybox binary |
| 21:32:46 | benmeyer | user:root, pw:"" (blank) |
| 21:32:59 | killefiz | benmeyer: have a look at the faq ;) |
| 21:33:02 | | well, faq is at http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/zaurus-faq/ or at http://www.handhelds.org/handhelds-faq/handhelds-faq.html |
| 21:33:02 | killefiz | ibot: faq |
| 21:33:04 | benmeyer | haha |
| 21:33:06 | benmeyer | true |
| 21:33:16 | kergoth | busybox has netcat built in now? hah |
| 21:33:35 | hunger | kergoth: dc is nice. I don't need the rest of the commands you listed. |
| 21:38:54 | ljp_ | wants to see "Elf Bowling" ported to the Z |
| 21:39:26 | tux_mike | santa claus is a slave driver! |
| 21:39:28 | benmeyer | Do I add "ttya1 - F" or "ttya1" to my /etc/security? |
| 21:39:32 | ljp_ | hehehhe |
| 21:39:43 | killefiz | ttya1 |
| 21:40:00 | benmeyer | the faq talks about " - F" whats up with that? |
| 21:40:27 | killefiz | no idea - isn't that /etc/securetty instead of security? |
| 21:41:09 | peanut | is zaurusless :( |
| 21:41:13 | benmeyer | fantastic |
| 21:41:31 | benmeyer | I need to make a lilttle applet that turn the server on/off |
| 21:41:41 | benmeyer | or a script |
| 21:41:52 | benmeyer | editing files is a pain and shouldn't be done |
| 21:42:45 | killefiz | sure - next thing you come up with is that we do need a "registry" |
| 21:43:41 | kergoth | hah |
| 21:43:52 | benmeyer | What does a "registry" have to do with it? |
| 21:44:22 | killefiz | Well "editing files is a pain and shouldn't be done" questions basic unix principles |
| 21:45:01 | Cam_ | you should use scripts to edit files ;-P |
| 21:45:04 | MSpin | killefiz: no, it doesn't. The a basic unix principal is that the files are there to be edited |
| 21:46:19 | benmeyer | yes |
| 21:46:33 | benmeyer | But users of the _Zaurus_ should never need to have a terminal |
| 21:46:40 | benmeyer | that is what a pda is about |
| 21:46:55 | benmeyer | it is there, but there should be a way to do it without a terminal |
| 21:46:57 | hunger | benmeyer: If I had wanted that I had bought a palm! |
| 21:47:00 | kergoth | hah |
| 21:47:06 | benmeyer | I own a plam |
| 21:47:10 | benmeyer | :0) |
| 21:47:12 | kergoth | hunger: they are targeting average users with this. not us. |
| 21:47:25 | hunger | benmeyer: I got the Z because I can play with it. |
| 21:47:31 | benmeyer | same here |
| 21:47:40 | benmeyer | the more user friendly something is the better |
| 21:47:44 | benmeyer | it helps everyone |
| 21:47:50 | benmeyer | both developer and end user |
| 21:48:03 | Cam_ | will someone please make a simple shell with PyQt or whatever, that lets you run little shell scripts to do config actions? I |
| 21:48:15 | Cam_ | I can write the shell scritps :) |
| 21:48:17 | killefiz | benmeyer: you're right but: if I want telnet access to my zaurus I think it's acceptable to activate it with the console |
| 21:48:21 | MSpin | I got a Z because the power is there if I want |
| 21:48:30 | benmeyer | same here |
| 21:48:39 | killefiz | Cam_: Have you looked at Zaam? I'm not sure what it does but I think it could be what you're looking for |
| 21:48:48 | kergoth | hunger, ljp_: how large is the busybox binary in oz3 currently? |
| 21:48:51 | benmeyer | but spending 2 hours to whip up a little app that turns on/off telnet is not too much to ask |
| 21:48:51 | killefiz | http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=155 |
| 21:48:56 | Cam_ | killefiz: haven't seen it.... URL? |
| 21:48:56 | W1GGL1T | notes that when he sees the Z in the local flyers, (best buy, circuit city, staples...) they don''t mention that it runs linux....they seem to be trying to target the average user |
| 21:49:10 | W1GGL1T | average pda user, not necessarily average linux user |
| 21:49:11 | hunger | kergoth: I'd check if a certain someone had not messed up my Z ;-) |
| 21:49:13 | kergoth | benmeyer: i think that could be generalized to a general 'services config' app |
| 21:49:16 | kergoth | hunger: hehe |
| 21:49:19 | kergoth | hunger: oops |
| 21:49:56 | killefiz | ZaAM provides support for kaptain grammars. The kaptain grammars describes GUI front end to popular command line tool. For handhelds devices, this the perfect friend of bash. |
| 21:49:58 | MSpin | mm...a little init script applet... |
| 21:50:08 | kergoth | ZaAM? |
| 21:50:41 | kergoth | MSpin: yeah exactly |
| 21:50:48 | warmi | zaAM is like a universal GUI for any cmd line style app |
| 21:51:09 | kergoth | warmi: ah.. hmm. harlekin mentioned its probable inclusion into opie.. i was wondering wtf it was |
| 21:52:04 | killefiz | there is a screenshot of a "top" inteface at the zaam site - could be perfect for the "services editor" |
| 21:52:20 | hunger | While we are at it: What does the tableviewer do? |
| 21:52:29 | warmi | yeah, this thing looks interesting |
| 21:52:45 | MSpin | kergoth: I'd take a look at it, but I need to add some features to my wireless app:) |
| 21:53:03 | kergoth | ah cool. |
| 21:53:06 | benmeyer | MSpin what app? |
| 21:53:17 | MSpin | benmeyer: the sig meter |
| 21:53:27 | kergoth | hmm should I create multiple busybox builds? for minimal, and feature rich versions? |
| 21:53:28 | benmeyer | sig meter? |
| 21:53:32 | kergoth | opinions? |
| 21:53:39 | MSpin | benmeyer: wlanmon |
| 21:53:41 | benmeyer | minimal should be default |
| 21:54:43 | kergoth | the question isnt deafults.. its whether i shoould create multiple packages to give people options? |
| 21:54:53 | benmeyer | Will wlanmonitor show all of the access points? |
| 21:55:05 | hunger | kergoth: What's in the 'complete' version? how much is the size difference? |
| 21:55:09 | benmeyer | if you give them options then you can't assume anything more then the minimal |
| 21:55:25 | killefiz | i'll get some sleep |
| 21:55:30 | kergoth | hunger: 'complete' has a shitload of apps.. i was telling you some of them.. a lot of the items in findutils, fileutils, shellutils, etc |
| 21:55:38 | MSpin | benmeyer: nope...a GUI around kismet might be a good idea tho |
| 21:55:41 | kergoth | hunger: minimal could be useful for those that want the full versions of everything |
| 21:55:56 | kergoth | hunger: a nearly fully built one is around 350k |
| 21:56:13 | hunger | kergoth: I'd go with the complete version then. You will need finsutils etc. for some scripts at some point. |
| 21:56:33 | kergoth | yes a number of scripts depend on some things.. startup scripts and the like |
| 21:56:42 | benmeyer | MSpin: I would really like that in a tool |
| 21:57:01 | kergoth | benmeyer: iirc matrix was writing one.. but ran into difficulties in the qt->qt/e conversion, iirc |
| 21:57:04 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:57:09 | benmeyer | matrix? |
| 21:57:19 | benmeyer | I will help in any effort to that goal |
| 21:57:22 | benmeyer | I really need that tool |
| 21:57:24 | MSpin | kergoth: have you considered using cml2 in the OZ build process? |
| 21:57:26 | kergoth | benmeyer: one of the developers aorund here |
| 21:58:00 | MSpin | benmeyer: the problem is that you can't be scanning for APs and be online at the same time...which is sorta annoying |
| 21:58:19 | kergoth | MSpin: thats part of my plan for the 'autobuild' system. building from debian source package feeds, with adaptation.. using cml2 as a config method... basically the ultimate build system.. with multiple package output formats.. .deb, .rpm, .ipk.. |
| 21:58:19 | benmeyer | That is ok |
| 21:58:27 | benmeyer | I will "go offline" to scan :) |
| 21:58:39 | kergoth | MSpin: its on my todo list after oz3 releases.. working with the familiar and emdebian folks to develop it |
| 21:59:23 | MSpin | kergoth: excellent:) |
| 21:59:34 | MSpin | in my best Mr Burns voice:) |
| 21:59:46 | MSpin | benmeyer: cool, I'll see what I can do |
| 21:59:47 | benmeyer | see you all later |
| 21:59:54 | benmeyer | off to dinneer |
| 22:00:11 | benmeyer | thanks. MSpin: if you need any help let me know |
| 22:00:17 | MSpin | ahkie |
| 22:00:57 | hunger | kergoth: jffs2reader gives the size of busybox with 4096byte. That can't be true. |
| 22:01:10 | kergoth | hunger: it shows that for everything.. lol |
| 22:01:28 | kergoth | hunger: its not good with file sizes :-) |
| 22:01:33 | hunger | kergoth: Not true:-) It shows 7byte for allmosy everything here. |
| 22:01:37 | kergoth | hah |
| 22:01:40 | kergoth | close enough :-) |
| 22:01:56 | kergoth | buildsystem now pulls down and builds busybox from cvs directly rather than a recent cvs snapshot |
| 22:02:05 | peanut | ARGH |
| 22:02:08 | peanut | no Z for ME |
| 22:02:09 | kergoth | peanut: ? |
| 22:02:22 | peanut | it went back to sharp today.. |
| 22:02:29 | kergoth | ack, what happened? |
| 22:02:36 | peanut | apparently the defects in the aether modems are causing problems with the Z |
| 22:02:41 | peanut | it bent 3 of my pins |
| 22:02:44 | kergoth | oh shit |
| 22:02:47 | peanut | oh shit is right! |
| 22:02:54 | kergoth | thats fucked up right there |
| 22:02:58 | kergoth | you raise some hell? |
| 22:03:00 | peanut | the modem is crap |
| 22:03:08 | peanut | they even told me on the phone they knew this.. |
| 22:03:14 | peanut | that several people had already called |
| 22:03:23 | peanut | i'm getting a new "inferior quality" modem |
| 22:03:24 | kergoth | what modem is this? |
| 22:03:25 | peanut | and my Z fixed |
| 22:03:31 | peanut | the sharpmobile aether one |
| 22:03:36 | kergoth | ah damn.. |
| 22:03:43 | kergoth | i had high hopes for the sharpmobile thing |
| 22:03:46 | peanut | they use cf1 interface instead of 2, so its flimsy |
| 22:03:50 | peanut | and actually warped |
| 22:04:01 | peanut | i slid it in gently and it just pushed the pins out of the way.. |
| 22:04:12 | kergoth | that really sucks. |
| 22:04:13 | peanut | apparently it skips out of the guide because of warp and bad gluing issues |
| 22:05:22 | hunger | kergoth: Did you fix the oz-base/libc issue in the feed? I don't want ot run into that problem first thing tomorrow morning again. |
| 22:05:52 | kergoth | hunger: its fixed.. its just yours upgraded it in the wrong order. I'm not sure how to force an upgrade path.. |
| 22:06:03 | kergoth | hmm |
| 22:06:15 | kergoth | could make oz-base depend on the latest revision of my libc6 package.. |
| 22:06:31 | kergoth | then ipkg would be forced to upgrade libc6 first |
| 22:06:46 | kergoth | hmm |
| 22:07:00 | kergoth | gah, just load the beta4 initrd |
| 22:07:07 | kergoth | I'll get one together tonight |
| 22:07:13 | hunger | kergoth: Great! |
| 22:07:26 | kergoth | since we're already up to like 9 updated packages.. |
| 22:07:42 | hunger | still hopes for ssh and dhcp. Then I'd not need to config much. |
| 22:08:44 | kergoth | well bewmIES will likely get the dhcp thing worked out tonight... and i'll work on ssh |
| 22:08:51 | hunger | kergoth: I got OPIE and all its apps on the SD card anyway, so I will be up and running with a few symlinks this time. |
| 22:08:56 | kergoth | nice |
| 22:10:09 | kergoth | re BZFlag |
| 22:10:20 | hunger | kergoth: Any this time I'll tar up all the stuff to a CF card:-) |
| 22:10:31 | kergoth | hunger: hehe |
| 22:13:37 | Twiun | redesigns his faq backend yet again... |
| 22:13:47 | Twiun | Grrr, I wish I'd get it right the first time ;-) |
| 22:14:12 | hunger | is of to bed. good night. |
| 22:16:07 | kergoth | holy shit!@# |
| 22:16:16 | kergoth | i have busybox sh working in embeddedkonsole ;-) |
| 22:16:22 | kergoth | ljp: ping :-) |
| 22:16:23 | Twiun | Wooohoooo! |
| 22:16:32 | fusion94 | kergoth: accidently ? |
| 22:17:09 | kergoth | fusion94: nope, built from latest cvs rather than from a snapshot.. and also enabled POSIX math functions in ash.. its the math thing that broke embeddedkonsole, i believe |
| 22:17:18 | kergoth | but regardless, that saves some space. no need for bash now |
| 22:17:19 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:24:10 | scanline | is away: math test |
| 22:26:21 | mefesto | hello, anyone having a problem with qtopia desktop from trolltech? When I open it up it closes almost immediately with a message about a virtual method being called? |
| 22:27:28 | Twiun | swears |
| 22:27:48 | Twiun | my isp's primary dns just died... |
| 22:28:07 | Twiun | just waits for the rest of the network to go down with it... |
| 22:29:59 | mefesto | anyone know where I can download the qtopia desktop for linux other than at trolltech? |
| 22:30:40 | Twiun | mefesto: I'm not sure if it's been mirrored anywhere... |
| 22:30:57 | mefesto | Twiun: do you have it running? |
| 22:31:15 | Twiun | The one from trolltech's site works ok for me |
| 22:31:24 | Twiun | Not that I use it ;-) |
| 22:31:46 | mefesto | Twiun: in your <qtopia desktop root> do you have a bin folder or is the executable just in the qd root? |
| 22:32:00 | Twiun | lemme check |
| 22:32:19 | mefesto | Twiun: i had a working version before and there was a bin folder, but this one doesn't have it |
| 22:33:12 | Twiun | Yeah, mine hasn't got a bin dir either |
| 22:34:20 | mefesto | sorry for all the questions, but did you have to make symbolic links to the *.so 's in the root to get that executable to work? |
| 22:35:50 | Twiun | Oh god yes - they weren't properly setup in the tarball |
| 22:36:06 | mefesto | weird, its working now?! :) |
| 22:36:19 | mefesto | 3rd time i tried running it make it work i guess |
| 22:36:29 | mefesto | <flakey> |
| 22:37:31 | Twiun | No kidding |
| 22:37:31 | mefesto | nope, n/m i found out what makes it die for me... |
| 22:38:16 | mefesto | if i have the zaurus off, desktop will run. Once i turn the zaurus on, desktop crashes with the message "pure virtual method called", "aborted" |
| 22:41:13 | mefesto | i have zaurus connected via usb, and when its on i can ping its ip of 192.168.129.201 |
| 22:41:20 | kergoth | brb |
| 22:41:23 | mefesto | so i don't know what else to do... |
| 22:41:44 | mefesto | there aren't really any docs for setting up qtopia desktop, just docs on how to use it |
| 22:44:35 | Com[Plex | whats the key sequence in linux to shrink the screen resolution? |
| 22:44:40 | Com[Plex | control alt plus? |
| 22:44:48 | mefesto | ctrl alt minus i think |
| 22:45:30 | mefesto | ctrl alt (plus or minus), but for me i have to use the plus/minus keys that are on the num pad |
| 22:46:13 | Com[Plex | great |
| 22:46:22 | Com[Plex | doesnt work in a vmware session |
| 22:46:26 | whardier | haha |
| 22:55:43 | | cworth is ab}les or hiding from ion bug reports. |
| 22:55:43 | kergoth | ibot: cworth? |
| 23:00:38 | Neo|Work | is away: mtg |
| 23:07:45 | Shunt | Hola... who out there has the serial cable and knows how the hell to use it? |
| 23:11:24 | Shunt | anyone? |
