| 00:04:45 | tux_mike | blah |
| 00:04:51 | tux_mike | my fonts are fscked up |
| 00:08:46 | kergoth | errr |
| 00:26:18 | Gfx | hello |
| 00:28:02 | Gfx | I'm new to Zaurus development |
| 00:28:28 | Gfx | I get my first Java working a few minutes ago and I definitively need a better text editor than the standard one |
| 00:28:44 | Gfx | is there any good source code editor around (except tckEditor) ? |
| 00:30:50 | bewmIES | tkcEditor is pretty good |
| 00:31:03 | bewmIES | I don't know of any others though, sorry. |
| 00:31:40 | Gfx | yep, tckEditor seems good, but I'm still wondering if I'll spend 15$ for such an editor |
| 00:32:10 | ljp | micro emacs, vi, or opie-texteditor |
| 00:33:21 | bewmIES | I saw that kvim thing on slashdot, wonder if anybody is working on porting that. |
| 00:33:46 | ljp | I did.. I also use emacs and opie textedit |
| 00:33:58 | Gfx | I got opie textedit but I lack things like auto-indent :) |
| 00:34:06 | bewmIES | heh cool |
| 00:34:12 | bewmIES | I hate auto-indent |
| 00:34:14 | Gfx | I guess I'd better have a look at emacs then... |
| 00:35:24 | nyargh | Gfx: joe is a pretty small editor that does auto-indent and has a good searc/replace tool |
| 00:35:32 | Gfx | ok, thanks |
| 00:35:46 | Gfx | otherwise, does any of you encountered problems with the craddle and win2k ? |
| 00:36:05 | Gfx | whenever I upload files on the zaurus, then get it out of its craddle, I cannot get the sync work anymore |
| 00:36:15 | nyargh | oh |
| 00:36:16 | nyargh | HAH |
| 00:36:22 | nyargh | sharp isn't so great with documentation |
| 00:36:26 | nyargh | unless you are japanese |
| 00:36:26 | Gfx | (it was even worse at the beginning cause it was disconnecting my DSL doc) |
| 00:36:30 | Gfx | :)) |
| 00:36:39 | Gfx | I've read the unofficial FAQ |
| 00:36:46 | Gfx | but I'm still stuck :( |
| 00:36:55 | Gfx | rebooting between two syncs is quite a pain |
| 00:36:56 | nyargh | you have to click on the little pc-card icon and select "disable NDL bl abl abla" |
| 00:37:09 | nyargh | BEFORE you pull it form the cable |
| 00:37:12 | nyargh | or win2k will shit |
| 00:37:19 | Gfx | yes, I've thought to this... |
| 00:37:38 | nyargh | that's the only way i can sync twice on win2k |
| 00:37:53 | Gfx | yet, I can't even make the peripherals window shows up when I click onto the little pc card icon :( |
| 00:37:58 | BigBoss | Gfx: you can't afford to be *without* tkcEditor |
| 00:38:08 | Gfx | BigBoss > it seems so :) |
| 00:38:12 | Gfx | unless I write a new one :) |
| 00:39:33 | nyargh | bigboss is biased |
| 00:39:59 | Gfx | in which way ? |
| 00:40:08 | bewmIES | he is tkc |
| 00:40:09 | nyargh | he is tkc |
| 00:40:12 | BigBoss | it's my company :) |
| 00:40:12 | bewmIES | hah |
| 00:40:15 | bewmIES | yells 'jinx' |
| 00:40:26 | nyargh | bashes bewm with a coke |
| 00:40:28 | Gfx | BigBoss > :)) |
| 00:40:30 | BigBoss | I know that $15 will buy a big mac and a coke these days :) |
| 00:40:43 | BigBoss | and we like to think tkcEditor is worth a meal |
| 00:40:48 | nyargh | or two |
| 00:40:56 | Gfx | I've already spent a lot of money to get one of thoses Zaurus from the US |
| 00:40:59 | Gfx | (I'm in France) |
| 00:41:19 | ljp | textedit is a simple editor. if yuo want syntax highlighting and all that jazz, get tkcEditor |
| 00:41:20 | ljp | more than a little.. |
| 00:41:34 | ljp | $15 is pittence for tkcEditor |
| 00:41:44 | nyargh | Gfx: hey if you can't get that window to pop up when you click on the taskbar icon thingy, it's because you already make it choke by pulling it off teh cradle |
| 00:42:01 | nyargh | Gfx: 1) turn on machine 2) turn on zaurus 3) attach zaurus to cradle |
| 00:42:04 | Gfx | BigBoss > the only thing which makes me still wonder about buying tckEditor or not is the lack of Java syntax highlighting, I'd wish one :) |
| 00:42:31 | Gfx | nyargh > not even that way unfortunately :( |
| 00:42:55 | nyargh | Gfx: you should reformat your hdd then :( |
| 00:43:03 | Gfx | you know what ? |
| 00:43:11 | Gfx | that's what I've done all the day long :)) |
| 00:43:14 | ljp | no dont listen to him' |
| 00:43:17 | nyargh | hahaha |
| 00:44:01 | nyargh | Gfx: well anyhow, i had the same problems as you, and i had to have a strick docking/undocking procedure otherwise it was fucked until i rebooted |
| 00:44:24 | Gfx | nyargh > I'll try again then, thanks |
| 00:44:35 | nyargh | Gfx: Good luck |
| 00:45:08 | ljp | try 'unplug'ing the icon in that window |
| 00:45:44 | ljp | and then take the Z out of the cradle. and out it back in |
| 00:45:59 | Gfx | ljp > if only the window would open... I well know that window since my laptop is surrounded by lots of mass storage devices on USB port |
| 00:46:19 | nyargh | yah |
| 00:46:22 | nyargh | same thing happened to me |
| 00:46:32 | ljp | s/out/put |
| 00:46:34 | nyargh | but only after i undocked it by pressing "sync" or pulling it out of the cradle |
| 00:46:53 | Gfx | ok, I'll do it more seriously then |
| 00:51:25 | ljp | unplugging on windows is a pain in the ass. |
| 00:51:35 | Gfx | yep |
| 00:52:22 | ljp | linux, you just grab the thing |
| 00:54:38 | bewmIES | heh |
| 00:59:24 | Neo|Work | BigBoss: I don't want to live where a bigmac + drink costs $15. :PP |
| 01:07:50 | f0rtyhex | has anyone been developing using java and swing |
| 01:10:38 | f0rtyhex | hello |
| 01:11:28 | ljp | hi |
| 01:12:51 | sitruC | hi there |
| 01:13:48 | f0rtyhex | hi |
| 01:14:08 | f0rtyhex | are you guys doing development using Java |
| 01:14:38 | sitruC | no, sorry |
| 01:14:51 | f0rtyhex | c |
| 01:14:53 | f0rtyhex | ? |
| 01:15:16 | sitruC | i'm not really a developer |
| 01:15:25 | sitruC | maybe i'll port GateD for kicks |
| 01:15:26 | f0rtyhex | Ok |
| 01:15:27 | sitruC | :) |
| 01:15:32 | f0rtyhex | np |
| 01:16:27 | keith | So any idea why the serial cable costs $40 ? |
| 01:16:49 | sitruC | or why I can't find someone who can ship the serial cable to canada? |
| 01:18:48 | andyschm | or why anyone would need the stupid serial cable? |
| 01:19:15 | kergoth | andyschm: there are numerous reasons for purchasing the serial cable |
| 01:19:16 | sitruC | connecting to router and switch consoles in a pinch, for me |
| 01:19:27 | kergoth | or consoling unix servers |
| 01:19:35 | andyschm | aahhh |
| 01:19:46 | kergoth | or connecting to other serial devices, such as serial gps (though i dont think support exists atm) |
| 01:20:01 | kergoth | or for using a serial console for kernel debugging.. for those who like kernel development |
| 01:20:07 | andyschm | is enlightened |
| 01:20:09 | MSpin | keith: the word I've heard is that the actual output from the Z is ttl level serial, thus needing a RS232 level converter |
| 01:20:42 | andyschm | thats probably why its $40 then... cuz the only people who need it REALLY need it. |
| 01:21:02 | kergoth | andyschm: highly unlikely. i'd say its due to the additional hardware, which mspin is speaking of |
| 01:22:33 | MSpin | That is just the word I'm getting from the guys doing the hardware for my company's app |
| 01:24:46 | keith | MSpin: ok thanks |
| 01:24:49 | keith | I think I might get it |
| 01:24:59 | keith | and just suck it up ;) |
| 01:25:15 | MSpin | many cell phones are similar |
| 01:25:58 | sitruC | i wonder if that explains why my motorola startac serial cable was $284 canadian. ;-) |
| 01:26:17 | sitruC | (well, it came with some software i've never used, too) |
| 01:26:31 | MSpin | that's prolly part of it |
| 01:27:38 | keith | So hmmmm, 499 for the Z, 100 for the WLan, 40 for Serial, my god I could get a 2Ghz machine for this :) |
| 01:27:50 | MSpin | hehe |
| 01:27:59 | MSpin | but you couldn't hold it in your hand:) |
| 01:30:19 | sitruC | but either way, in a year it'll be obsolete :) |
| 01:30:37 | keith | true |
| 01:30:38 | keith | gotta go |
| 01:30:42 | keith | talk to you later |
| 01:31:49 | ljp | nothings 'obsolete' |
| 01:32:18 | BZFlag | http://zaurus.sourceforge.net/img/ <- see the ce17ts images. that's the header on the serial cable. |
| 01:34:33 | sitruC | mmm... bsd unix |
| 01:40:49 | bewmIES | nods |
| 01:50:44 | Neo|Work | is away: gone home |
| 02:11:37 | peanut | waves |
| 02:12:49 | peanut | anyone have sharpmobile yet? |
| 02:14:41 | sitruC | nay |
| 02:15:04 | peanut | is supposed to get it tomorrow.. |
| 02:15:07 | peanut | we shall see. |
| 02:15:07 | sitruC | i would like to try that cdpd modem with my local telco tho |
| 02:15:57 | sitruC | or do you just mean the pda? :) |
| 02:16:16 | peanut | no.. i'm getting the modem supposedly tomorrow |
| 02:16:49 | sitruC | no service here (canada) |
| 02:17:31 | ljp | I have a zaurus that I take around with me. Does that count? :) |
| 02:19:20 | sitruC | is a wireless-illeterate telco networking guru |
| 02:21:27 | sitruC | 1xrtt this fall in winnipeg manitoba canada, much hope for a cf modem available for right around then :) |
| 02:25:38 | ][N-Flux | is away: shenmue2 |
| 02:29:30 | peanut | yawns |
| 02:29:50 | peanut | is hoping to start with cdpd |
| 02:29:59 | peanut | then 1xrtt when it becomes available :) |
| 02:33:14 | sitruC | you don't think that enfora modem looks silly? ;) |
| 02:33:47 | peanut | it does look silly, but who cares |
| 02:35:01 | sitruC | good point |
| 02:35:07 | MEGASTeP | is away: I'm away, dammit |
| 02:37:29 | sitruC | how about a case? |
| 02:55:48 | warmi | quiet and hot Monday evening |
| 02:56:40 | W1GGL1T | where you at? |
| 02:57:07 | warmi | hah .. believe it or not .. I am in Chicago |
| 02:57:18 | warmi | 86 !!! |
| 02:57:43 | warmi | we had 86 frigging degrees today |
| 02:57:52 | W1GGL1T | was 85 earlier here (TX)...kinda cool now |
| 02:58:20 | warmi | well, but that kind of weather in April is not news in TX |
| 02:58:27 | warmi | it definately is in Chicago |
| 02:58:44 | W1GGL1T | :o) |
| 02:58:52 | W1GGL1T | dunno...im kinda new to TX |
| 02:58:57 | narrowmind | any one use kismet ?? I start scanning get about 1000 Packets.. and then the wireless card drops off the network |
| 02:59:14 | warmi | only with kismet ?? |
| 02:59:24 | warmi | I mean taht sounds like a driver issues |
| 02:59:51 | narrowmind | bah. |
| 03:10:00 | narrowmind | there is something else going on.. I fall off the network even when I dont run kismet.. |
| 03:14:48 | narrowmind | ah.. I removed the lan configuration.. and sniffing is working now.. heh |
| 03:15:29 | narrowmind | bah.. I need wepcrack now. |
| 03:18:07 | peanut | yawns.. |
| 03:18:11 | peanut | anyone have sharp mobile yet? |
| 03:19:25 | narrowmind | ugh |
| 03:20:24 | W1GGL1T | i bought one a few hours ago |
| 03:20:39 | narrowmind | nods |
| 03:20:41 | scanline | is away: doing laundry, standing in the wet room |
| 03:20:50 | peanut | ugh? |
| 03:21:00 | narrowmind | oh.. sharp mobile ? the service.. no. |
| 03:21:30 | W1GGL1T | oh |
| 03:22:51 | narrowmind | heh.. good bless the noise windows boxes.. Ill get this wepkey in no time =) |
| 03:31:14 | sitruC | gak, fall is not soon enough. winter is freezing cold here |
| 03:40:52 | peanut | yawns. |
| 03:48:15 | W1GGL1T | quick question....i dunno if any of you guys are using your Zaurus with Windows, but for setting up the sync software, which do you recommend: Outlook sync or Qtopia sync? |
| 03:48:48 | scanline | is back (gone 00:28:06) |
| 03:50:49 | W1GGL1T | hrmm |
| 03:56:03 | scanline | is away: time for some AD&D |
| 04:10:52 | Riskable_zaurus | Howdy folks |
| 04:11:10 | ljp-- | hi |
| 04:11:34 | W1GGL1T | hi |
| 04:12:53 | ljp-- | quick.. someone write something verything to mesws with the zaurus' scrren scrolling and things |
| 04:13:03 | ljp-- | akk |
| 04:13:13 | ljp-- | soemthing very long, I ment |
| 04:13:21 | ljp-- | I need to give up typing |
| 04:13:34 | Riskable_zaurus | Anyone know of a good way to convert a large mp3 collection to ogg? |
| 04:14:27 | ljp-- | why? |
| 04:14:58 | Riskable_zaurus | Save on space |
| 04:15:28 | ljp-- | is there really that much of a size difference? |
| 04:17:13 | Riskable_zaurus | yes |
| 04:17:58 | Riskable_zaurus | ...and oggs don't use up as much processor when played in tkcPlayer |
| 04:30:00 | Riskable_zaurus | Froot rules |
| 04:40:31 | Riskable_zaurus | what is /sbin/chat -f ? |
| 04:40:45 | Riskable_zaurus | I see it in my process table |
| 04:40:55 | Riskable_zaurus | tkcJabber? |
| 04:41:03 | bewmIES | chat - Automated conversational script with a modem |
| 04:41:57 | Riskable_zaurus | it eats up a ton of RAM |
| 04:42:40 | Riskable_zaurus | I'm using a wireless CF card... Is it necessary? |
| 04:47:31 | Riskable_zaurus | its interesting that the Z has the swapon command but doesn't support the -s option (show all swap files/usage) |
| 05:56:46 | Zxcvb | would the zaurus CPU be fast enough to run palm apps? |
| 06:34:43 | NeoTron | prepares his final build |
| 06:39:21 | NeoTron | and I'm done. |
| 06:39:38 | Rince | build for what? |
| 06:39:41 | NeoTron | may the goddess of fortune smile upon my game |
| 06:39:46 | NeoTron | Rince: Eligo for the TT contest |
| 06:39:48 | Rince | btw, is it possible to do crosscompiles for the linux from a NetBSD? |
| 06:39:50 | Rince | Ah ;-) |
| 06:39:52 | | well, eligo is http://eongames.com/games/eligo/ |
| 06:39:52 | NeoTron | ibot: eligo |
| 06:40:07 | NeoTron | and cross compilation should work from anything to anything, in theory |
| 06:40:12 | Rince | good :-) |
| 06:40:14 | NeoTron | just need the right toolset |
| 06:40:18 | Rince | *nod* |
| 06:42:17 | scanline | is back (gone 02:46:14) |
| 06:52:24 | NeoTron | is away: sleep |
| 07:18:52 | whardier | la |
| 07:31:58 | Com[ANGRY | BigBoss: you there? |
| 07:32:08 | Com[ANGRY | I got some problems with TkcFTP |
| 07:32:31 | Com[Plex | anyone else here use tkc ftp? |
| 07:37:21 | Com[Plex | these tkc apps sure look nice, but, they dont really perform up to my expectations.. |
| 07:37:36 | Com[Plex | I didnt realise "free updates" meant "pay to be our beta tester" |
| 07:38:23 | Com[Plex | I dont mean to sound like a dick, I just mean, that these have a real beta feel to them. - I hope they get some major fixes done to them soon. |
| 08:58:16 | Narrowmind | ugh.. perl is in the wrong place |
| 09:09:33 | sebd | Narrowmind: where ? |
| 09:37:56 | scribe | Hey guys, got qpsword bookreader to version 1.5 warmi helped me package for the Z! :) whoo hooo! Some classics (Mark Twain and Around The World In 80 Days) are also added to the feed now. http://www.crosswire.org/feeds/arm/zaurus |
| 09:40:07 | arno- | the version says 0.5 |
| 09:49:47 | scribe | arno-: er, right. sorry. typo |
| 09:49:53 | scribe | :) |
| 10:37:55 | weimer | is away: on his search for food |
| 10:57:52 | scanline | is away: ZzZzZz |
| 11:25:18 | Gfx | hello |
| 11:25:37 | Gfx | is MySQL available for the Zaurus ? |
| 11:27:17 | Narrowmind | where is the mic on the zaurus ? |
| 11:27:34 | Gfx | Narrowmind > there's none |
| 11:27:42 | Gfx | you have to plug it on the mic jack |
| 11:27:48 | Gfx | and you have to buy the mic |
| 11:31:57 | Narrowmind | gay |
| 11:32:34 | weimer | is back (gone 00:54:39) |
| 11:57:10 | riskable | Morning folks |
| 12:13:38 | weimer | is away: uni |
| 12:34:09 | Gfx | is there any database available on the Zaurus ?? |
| 12:35:08 | sebd | Gfx: compile mysql |
| 12:35:21 | Gfx | ouch |
| 12:35:38 | Gfx | I'd better afford the compile stage if possible :)) |
| 12:35:39 | sebd | Gfx: do you have a PC with linux ? |
| 12:35:47 | Gfx | yep |
| 12:36:05 | sebd | And a download access to MySQL sources |
| 12:36:22 | sebd | Then try cross compiling |
| 12:37:02 | Gfx | ok, I'll try then... |
| 12:37:12 | Gfx | (many hours of fight against the compute it seems :) |
| 12:37:36 | sebd | I can help with compilation, but I have never (yet) cross compiled for the zaurus |
| 12:38:08 | sebd | Gfx: on the paper, it's just a matter of ./configure;make |
| 12:38:23 | Gfx | on the paper :) |
| 12:38:29 | sebd | is still waiting for his Z. |
| 12:38:49 | sebd | is still waiting for his Z. to ship |
| 12:38:57 | Gfx | :) |
| 12:39:19 | sebd | I can't wait any longer ! |
| 12:39:27 | Gfx | when did you order it ? |
| 12:40:00 | sebd | Last thursday |
| 12:40:01 | riskable | Kgrok is also a database for the Z |
| 12:40:12 | | you are responsible for http://zaurus.loveslinux.com/ |
| 12:40:12 | riskable | ibot me |
| 12:40:20 | riskable | There's a link to Kgrok in our downloads section |
| 12:40:43 | Gfx | thanks |
| 12:59:40 | warmi | hi |
| 13:00:02 | twiun | Hey |
| 13:00:06 | | faq is at http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/zaurus-faq/ or at http://www.handhelds.org/handhelds-faq/handhelds-faq.html |
| 13:00:07 | twiun | ibot: faq |
| 13:00:36 | hunger | Hmmm... I just bought myself a new SD card... I know I had it in my hands after coming home... WHERE DID I PUT IT?! |
| 13:01:11 | warmi | hehe |
| 13:03:57 | benmeyer | Hey there can someone explain the whole source deal for me? |
| 13:04:32 | benmeyer | TT makes QTopia which comes with the package manager, applications (15, pim, e-mail, etc), they released half of it dual license? |
| 13:04:37 | benmeyer | is that right? |
| 13:05:01 | benmeyer | Or is someone else involved? (i.e. lineo made some stuff) |
| 13:05:18 | ljp | HA! a patent on swining sideways... |
| 13:05:34 | ljp | swinging that is |
| 13:05:49 | ljp | yes ben |
| 13:06:02 | benmeyer | yes to which? |
| 13:06:11 | ljp | the qtopia (qpe) at sourceforge is TT's |
| 13:06:33 | benmeyer | is that package manager there? |
| 13:07:09 | ljp | a package manager is there, but not the one on the Z, Sharp has their own source tree |
| 13:07:23 | benmeyer | grumbes |
| 13:07:30 | ljp | I heard they contracted out to both Lineo and Trolltech. |
| 13:07:39 | benmeyer | Just Lineo |
| 13:07:47 | benmeyer | Lineo in turn contracted out TT |
| 13:07:56 | ljp | ahhhh heh |
| 13:08:08 | benmeyer | i.e. TT actually makes everything, but only part of it gets released |
| 13:08:12 | benmeyer | what a pain in the ass |
| 13:08:26 | mefesto | anyone know where I can download the qtopia desktop for linux? the one on the TT site doesn't work for me |
| 13:08:42 | mefesto | I had a copy from somewhere else that did work but I can't remember the site |
| 13:08:47 | ljp | ahhh... for some reason, I was under the impression that Sharp had some software engineers of their own |
| 13:09:25 | ljp | The only place to get qtopiadesktop is from trolltech |
| 13:09:47 | benmeyer | lpj: I would probably be there first software engineer |
| 13:09:50 | benmeyer | on the us side |
| 13:10:08 | ljp | ya, I thought there were a few in Japan |
| 13:10:17 | benmeyer | yah there are a few over in japan |
| 13:10:23 | benmeyer | but for the most part it was lineo |
| 13:10:46 | ljp | hmmmm |
| 13:10:52 | benmeyer | i.e. trade $$ for roms and apps |
| 13:10:58 | benmeyer | :) |
| 13:11:05 | benmeyer | http://www.jamesconrad.org/stash/screenshots.html |
| 13:11:09 | benmeyer | Anyone heard of that? |
| 13:12:02 | ljp | yes, I have.. it was in the contest, I believe |
| 13:13:30 | warmi | yeah, it still is |
| 13:13:32 | benmeyer | I will be updating the feed today |
| 13:13:41 | benmeyer | Lots more goodies |
| 13:13:57 | twiun | Oooer... what's on the menu? |
| 13:14:57 | warmi | the company should come up with some sort of customizable database ala access for handhelds |
| 13:15:06 | benmeyer | Most of the apps from Zsi |
| 13:15:17 | warmi | what's Zsi ? |
| 13:15:35 | benmeyer | http://killefiz.de/zaurus/ |
| 13:15:45 | benmeyer | warmi you wrote puzz-le |
| 13:15:53 | warmi | oh . right I keep forgeting |
| 13:15:55 | warmi | yeah |
| 13:15:59 | warmi | that was my contest entry |
| 13:17:12 | benmeyer | The best app I have seen so far |
| 13:17:13 | benmeyer | :) |
| 13:17:35 | warmi | well, I like it too but it is rather difficult game :-) |
| 13:17:36 | warmi | thanks |
| 13:17:40 | benmeyer | And ZCheckers is very well done too |
| 13:18:03 | warmi | that one I just ported ... but I like to make sure my apps look good |
| 13:18:04 | warmi | :-) |
| 13:18:12 | benmeyer | yah, maybe a little bit too difficult, but I still think it is the best so far |
| 13:18:34 | warmi | it is basically vexed clone with bunch of enhancements |
| 13:19:05 | warmi | allright, got to run for the train .. |
| 13:19:05 | benmeyer | ah |
| 13:19:05 | warmi | see you later |
| 13:19:11 | benmeyer | never had seen tat before |
| 13:19:17 | benmeyer | either way it is fun |
| 13:23:27 | ][N-Flux | is away: work |
| 13:24:11 | benmeyer | wonders where he can get access to all of the contest entries... |
| 13:25:16 | twiun | benmeyer: Better ask Jason... |
| 13:25:34 | ljp | some of them are commercial apps |
| 13:26:12 | benmeyer | yah I know |
| 13:26:26 | benmeyer | He isn't in yet |
| 13:27:05 | ljp | I want to have access to the tempest game that was in the contest... |
| 13:27:34 | benmeyer | I am hoping to put up a feed of all of the entries (that arn't commercial) |
| 13:29:33 | twiun | Don't you need to get the approval of the authors first? |
| 13:29:41 | twiun | (since the contest isn't really over yet) |
| 13:30:01 | ljp | it would still be good to get permission anyway |
| 13:30:22 | ljp | I want to know what apps were entered, but did not win... like Tempest |
| 13:34:19 | pdq | hi, has anybody figured out what to do with the qpe-mpeg4 ipk from zauruszone feed? |
| 13:35:42 | BigBoss | some of the authors specifically stated that their applications were not to leave the room, so to speak |
| 13:35:42 | benmeyer | make an mpeg4 :) |
| 13:37:04 | pdq | first I thought its a plugin for mediaplayer but there is only an executable in the package |
| 13:38:31 | benmeyer | feed is being replaced |
| 13:38:33 | benmeyer | ... |
| 13:38:34 | benmeyer | ... |
| 13:39:36 | pdq | meaning? |
| 13:40:00 | benmeyer | several were removed and many are being added.... |
| 13:40:03 | benmeyer | done |
| 13:40:05 | benmeyer | update :) |
| 13:40:12 | benmeyer | and several were fixed |
| 13:41:33 | twiun | pdq: Yeah, just install the mpeg4 ipk... the media player will use it on request for .asf format files |
| 13:41:54 | twiun | pdq: Althoutgh I haven't found what particular subformat it supports |
| 13:42:11 | twiun | /Althoutgh/Although/ |
| 13:48:46 | pdq | ah, there's my problem. I've always tried .avi files. So, need to make asf from avi first |
| 13:49:06 | pdq | the name of the binary would have suggested it |
| 13:50:50 | twiun | Hehe |
| 13:51:38 | twiun | pdq: But seriously... I've tried countless encoding methods to convert my files to asf but nothing that would play on the asfplay |
| 13:53:52 | twiun | pdq: But |
| 13:54:28 | twiun | pdq: I have two asf files I was give as demo files - they play fine on the Z but nowhere else... new subformat? |
| 13:54:49 | roge99 | hello all |
| 13:56:13 | pdq | Did you check with mplayer? It gives a lot of info on files |
| 13:59:00 | twiun | pdq: Yep... mplayer on linux didn't like the files, and same on windows |
| 13:59:38 | twiun | The quality is wonderful though |
| 14:00:41 | pdq | I've been surprised already about the speed and quality of mpeg1 videos on zaurus |
| 14:01:15 | pdq | I'd like to record from my TV card and later play on zaurus |
| 14:01:44 | pdq | but don't have workng mpeg1 encoder, hence my interest in that mpeg4 ipk |
| 14:06:00 | gillus | pdq: mplayer is using a "real time" mpeg 1 encoder. It's worth looking at it, I think it will convert every thing to mpeg 1 |
| 14:06:18 | gillus | there goal was use hardware mpeg 1 player. |
| 14:06:56 | gillus | s/was/was to/ |
| 14:07:22 | gash | wh00p. my pocket spider just showed up |
| 14:11:45 | gash | pretty sweet, it has its own on board battery so it won't drain the z |
| 14:13:43 | gash | su |
| 14:13:46 | gash | d'oh |
| 14:14:35 | nnn | is there a way to expand the memory on a SL-5000D? |
| 14:14:42 | nnn | external cards or whatever |
| 14:14:45 | nnn | hey kergoth :) |
| 14:14:50 | roge99 | hey kergoth |
| 14:15:04 | kergoth | mornin |
| 14:15:34 | kergoth | what's goin on? |
| 14:16:13 | nnn | kergoth : not much, just wondering if there's a way to increase the amount of memo in a SL-5000D ;) |
| 14:16:14 | nnn | u? |
| 14:16:25 | kergoth | ah.. thats been wondered about plenty :-) |
| 14:16:35 | nnn | yup, lol :) |
| 14:16:36 | kergoth | not much, just downing some caffeine.. half asleep at work |
| 14:16:41 | nnn | alot of posts on the developer's forum :) |
| 14:16:41 | kergoth | heheh |
| 14:16:49 | kergoth | not surprising |
| 14:16:51 | nnn | BTW, OZ 3.0 is nice |
| 14:17:06 | kergoth | thanks. i've got a lot to get done yet. |
| 14:17:07 | nnn | thinks he'll use OZ as his preferred OS :) |
| 14:17:08 | weimer | is back (gone 02:03:31) |
| 14:17:15 | kergoth | sup weimer |
| 14:17:31 | weimer | hi kergoth |
| 14:18:18 | nnn | ugh, aren't there SD memory cards? |
| 14:18:30 | nnn | if only Sharp sold those RAM chips independantly |
| 14:18:33 | nnn | daydreams... |
| 14:24:44 | bewmIES | The _one_ day I want to be in early we lose power, go figgure. |
| 14:25:36 | bewmIES | kergoth: I'll look at the bug tracker today, I never got a chance to yesterday. |
| 14:26:24 | kergoth | thats cool, no prob |
| 14:26:26 | n9udl | OZ3b3 is missing Wireless and Network setup panels.... Is there a way to add these packages, or is it manual config time? |
| 14:26:44 | benmeyer | feed work now? |
| 14:26:56 | kergoth | n9udl: you can install the network setup panel, but it doesnt work properly with the new network config in oz3 |
| 14:26:56 | n9udl | Also, it says my Linksys WCF11 is unrecognized.. |
| 14:27:08 | kergoth | n9udl: and wlan isnt in oz3... so no wlan cards are going to work. |
| 14:27:33 | kergoth | n9udl: but even if it was, sharp/lineo havent released the source to the wlan config app for qtopia, so itd be a manual config |
| 14:27:50 | n9udl | I don't mind manual config... |
| 14:27:58 | n9udl | :-) |
| 14:28:18 | kergoth | n9udl: wlan will get added fairly soon |
| 14:28:36 | kergoth | n9udl: and remember, oz3b3 will be able to be upgraded to b4 using ipkg ;-) |
| 14:28:37 | kergoth | brb |
| 14:28:55 | n9udl | thanks! |
| 14:33:49 | twiun | grumbles about servlets |
| 14:39:01 | tempest | is there any way of overcoming the Z's really tinny sound? ie: is there mixer software that can be used to turn the bass up a bit? I've got tkcPlayer, and even 192kbps Oggs sound like AM radio... |
| 14:39:11 | tempest | fears it might be a hardware "issue" though |
| 14:42:07 | ljp_work | sounds fine to me |
| 14:42:30 | ljp_work | but then agaian, IO use opie medialplayer and mp3's |
| 14:42:46 | tempest | hrm. I can't see how *that'd* make a difference. But I'll try anyhow. |
| 14:42:56 | kergoth | n9udl: fyi, pcmcia-cs and oz-base in the oz3.0 feed have been updated |
| 14:43:02 | tempest | ljp_work: thanks |
| 14:43:58 | JasonNJ | kergoth: the feed is updated but the initrd has not right |
| 14:44:04 | kergoth | correct. |
| 14:44:09 | kergoth | initrd beta4 will have those fixes and more |
| 14:44:12 | JasonNJ | ok |
| 14:44:13 | kergoth | I just keep the feed up to date |
| 14:44:29 | JasonNJ | but you cant actually get the feed working unless the base initrd supports the package manger, etc. |
| 14:44:51 | tempest | ljp_work: where can I pick up the Opie media player? |
| 14:45:16 | kergoth | JasonNJ: hmm? |
| 14:45:29 | | well, OZ3 feed is at http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/feeds/3.0/ |
| 14:45:29 | ljp_work | ibot: OZ3 feed |
| 14:45:39 | tempest | ah. |
| 14:45:46 | kergoth | JasonNJ: it has ipkg.. you'd just have to drop to console. which is expected atm, since networking isnt really up yet (for wlan, etc) |
| 14:45:49 | tempest | thanks. |
| 14:45:59 | kergoth | JasonNJ: but i'll get beta4 initrd out soon :-) |
| 14:48:20 | benmeyer | What is the difference between opie and openzaurus? |
| 14:49:18 | kergoth | opie is a fork of qtopia |
| 14:49:30 | kergoth | openzaurus is an alternative linux distro for the Z, essentially |
| 14:49:34 | kergoth | which happens to include opie |
| 14:52:03 | hunger | kergoth: Hello! |
| 14:52:28 | hunger | kergoth: Does scping to the Z work for you? |
| 14:52:51 | kergoth | hunger: for what rom? oz3 doesnt have sshd running by default |
| 14:52:55 | tempest | kergoth: did murph ever post a link to a picture of the serial cable for the Z last night? |
| 14:53:06 | kergoth | tempest: yes he did.. the end of the cable was laughable |
| 14:53:09 | hunger | kergoth: I noticed that it does not have it by default:-) |
| 14:53:12 | tempest | hahaha |
| 14:53:15 | JasonNJ | kergoth: but to get to the console the console has to work! |
| 14:53:41 | hunger | kergoth: I installed sshd and ssh myself, sshing into the Z works fine (after generating the key), but scping into the Z complains about missing zlib. |
| 14:53:42 | kergoth | huh? |
| 14:53:46 | kergoth | JasonNJ: console works fine |
| 14:53:50 | kergoth | JasonNJ: console IN opie does not |
| 14:53:52 | JasonNJ | ok it works now then |
| 14:54:03 | kergoth | JasonNJ: settings -> shutdown -> terminate opie = actual console |
| 14:54:08 | tempest | kergoth: i hate to be a further pain, but you wouldn't happened to have that link, would you? or does ibot harvest links? :) |
| 14:54:10 | kergoth | JasonNJ: we're debugging the embeddedkonsole prob.. |
| 14:54:12 | JasonNJ | ah ok |
| 14:54:23 | kergoth | tempest: hmm i dont have it, but i beleive bill was going to add them to the FAQ |
| 14:54:29 | hunger | kergoth: zlib is in /usr/lib which is why I don't understand why it does not work. |
| 14:54:42 | tempest | kergoth: oh, excellent. I'll wait for it then... |
| 14:54:44 | JasonNJ | add in that pico editor |
| 14:54:51 | JasonNJ | or whatever it is called |
| 14:54:53 | kergoth | JasonNJ: nano? k, will do |
| 14:54:54 | JasonNJ | I hate vi |
| 14:54:57 | JasonNJ | yah nano |
| 14:55:05 | kergoth | ljp wants uEmacs in there |
| 14:55:06 | kergoth | hehe |
| 14:55:30 | kergoth | man i'm glad i switched zaurus-general to digest mode |
| 14:55:51 | benmeyer | haha |
| 14:55:58 | kergoth | JasonNJ: i'll throw nano up on the feed until beta4 initrd is out |
| 14:56:01 | benmeyer | just pipe it to dev/null same thing |
| 14:56:08 | kergoth | hehe |
| 14:56:17 | kergoth | but at least its there if i want to read it.. |
| 14:56:29 | JasonNJ | ah we are getting closer and closer to a usable release every day |
| 14:56:32 | benmeyer | fopen(/dev/null) hehe |
| 14:56:54 | kergoth | JasonNJ: i'm taking advantage of the SF bugs system. i've got like 10 to resolve |
| 14:57:35 | JasonNJ | is bzflag helping you with the kernel issues? |
| 14:57:37 | kergoth | ljp_quark: when you ran into the SIGFPE, was that with the embeddedkonsole starts but no shell (when /dev/ttyp and /dev/ptyp* exist), or was that during the behavior where it immediately exits? |
| 14:57:54 | kergoth | JasonNJ: I havnet had a chance to pursue them much. I spoke with him regarding the work involved in porting it forward |
| 14:58:02 | JasonNJ | cool |
| 14:58:16 | kergoth | JasonNJ: there are a couple of kernel space issues regarding the system console on FB i'll discuss with him further |
| 14:58:46 | ljp_quark | I was doing that from the console |
| 14:58:59 | JasonNJ | are we still in line with using the familiar kernel and tools, or are we on a separate development track going forward? |
| 14:59:02 | ljp_quark | it has been just exiting |
| 14:59:03 | kergoth | ljp_quark: yeah, but what was the behavior? was it exiting immediately on execution? |
| 14:59:42 | kergoth | JasonNJ: well we're using the embedix kernel plus patches from here and there.. as far as the distribution itself, its based on debian, but I didnt look at familiar for anything.. but we are compatible with familiar for the most part. most familiar packages install into oz |
| 14:59:58 | hunger | How much work is it to get OZ3 to run OPIE for a non-root account? |
| 15:00:48 | hunger | I tried at that today and obviously OPIE insists on writing to some file in /proc/sys/vm/ |
| 15:00:55 | kergoth | ah.. |
| 15:00:57 | kergoth | hmm |
| 15:01:02 | kergoth | never looked into it yet |
| 15:01:08 | kergoth | we could enable the opie login screen |
| 15:01:20 | kergoth | there's a gui login in opie/qtopia itself.. its always disabled by default |
| 15:01:23 | hunger | ... in additon to using a bunch of devices that it's not allowed to use (easily fixed). |
| 15:02:40 | kergoth | benmeyer: can you resend me your cleaned up ipkg-make-index? the old one sucks, as does mkPackages |
| 15:03:25 | benmeyer | kergoth it is in the howto |
| 15:03:27 | benmeyer | howtos |
| 15:03:42 | kergoth | ah, cool. whats the url again? |
| 15:03:51 | benmeyer | http://www.zauruszone.com/wiki/index.php?Howto |
| 15:03:53 | benmeyer | wiki |
| 15:03:58 | benmeyer | the ipk_howoto |
| 15:04:06 | benmeyer | http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/ipkg_howto.html |
| 15:04:20 | benmeyer | http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/feed_howto.html |
| 15:04:23 | benmeyer | feed I mean |
| 15:04:24 | benmeyer | :) |
| 15:04:30 | benmeyer | http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/ipkg-make-index |
| 15:04:32 | benmeyer | There is the script |
| 15:04:56 | benmeyer | opie files with / in them screw it up |
| 15:05:07 | benmeyer | you have date/foo.tar.gz or something |
| 15:05:09 | kergoth | benmeyer: fyi, you may want to advise people that leaving a Depends line empty, or with a space after the : can result in a failed install using the new ipkg/C |
| 15:05:15 | kergoth | benmeyer: ah... k |
| 15:05:34 | benmeyer | ok |
| 15:06:23 | kergoth | benmeyer: also, I'm going to enhance ipkg-make-index of yours to handle recognition of more than one version of a package in one dir |
| 15:07:52 | benmeyer | ok, just send me back the file and I will update it |
| 15:08:02 | benmeyer | or put it on the wiki |
| 15:08:04 | benmeyer | on zz |
| 15:08:49 | kergoth | will do |
| 15:09:01 | JasonNJ | the package manager needs to be able to better categorize stuff |
| 15:09:10 | JasonNJ | also needs to display things better |
| 15:09:18 | JasonNJ | cause its hard to see the titles of things and description |
| 15:09:21 | hunger | The ssh.ipk from OZ3 is messed up. scping into the Z breaks because of missing libz.so.1 (it's in /usr/lib), scping out of the Z fails because of missing ssh in /usr/local/bin :-( |
| 15:09:27 | ljp_quark | kergoth: is pcmcia-cs the only package I need for automount.. cause its still not working here |
| 15:09:32 | JasonNJ | the feilds needs to be user selectable or something |
| 15:09:40 | JasonNJ | or better yet have it work in landscape mode |
| 15:09:44 | kergoth | ljp_quark: yeah thats all you need... hold, i'll confirm |
| 15:09:57 | kergoth | JasonNJ: the package manager needs a lot of work, i hardly know where to begin |
| 15:10:22 | kergoth | ljp_quark: cat /etc/pcmcia/ide.opts |
| 15:10:36 | kergoth | ljp_quark: is PARTS="1" on the bottom section, and DO_MOUNT="y" on the top section? |
| 15:11:16 | ljp_quark | yep |
| 15:11:22 | kergoth | how many partitions do you have? |
| 15:11:26 | kergoth | this will only automount hda1 |
| 15:11:47 | ljp_quark | 1 |
| 15:11:57 | kergoth | well shit, i dunno, this works on my unit |
| 15:11:58 | kergoth | hmm |
| 15:12:10 | ljp_quark | I havent even formatted the cf card |
| 15:12:18 | kergoth | ljp_quark: what happens when you insert the card? run dmesg.. do you see cardmgr picking it up? |
| 15:13:33 | hunger | kergoth: Can you dcc me /etc/pcmcia/ide.opts? Mine contains Only comments. |
| 15:14:04 | kergoth | hunger: install pcmcia-cs from the feed.. its revision 2, shoudl upgrade over your existing one. |
| 15:14:35 | hunger | kergoth: I would if I could get anything to the Z with scp or however;-) |
| 15:14:58 | kergoth | hunger: hmm? you have a cf card |
| 15:15:17 | kergoth | hunger: use a cf reader to copy the new package to the card. pop it into the Z, mount /mnt/cf. ipkg install /mnt/cf/pcmcia-cs* |
| 15:15:45 | hunger | kergoth: Yeap. But my laptop's kernel paniced twice for me today when I edited the CF-card in it, so I am very reluctant to use it now. |
| 15:15:51 | kergoth | ah.. |
| 15:15:55 | kergoth | yeah usb-storage can be unstable |
| 15:16:01 | kergoth | its crashed my box on multiple occasions |
| 15:16:10 | hunger | kergoth: Not USB, I got a PCMCIA-CF adapter. |
| 15:16:13 | kergoth | ah |
| 15:16:18 | kergoth | ugly |
| 15:16:21 | kergoth | hehe |
| 15:16:22 | kergoth | brb, caffeine |
| 15:16:46 | hunger | kergoth: scp worked fine with the sharp-ROMS, so it should work with yours too:-) |
| 15:17:34 | ljp_quark | kergoth: ya it seeing it. do you have cardmon installed? |
| 15:18:55 | kergoth | ljp_quark: doesnt matter, cardmon isnt mounting it. this should work from console even |
| 15:19:16 | kergoth | hunger: yes, it will work flawlessly, and I'll tell you why it isnt working now as soon as I get a chance to look at it |
| 15:19:23 | kergoth | i'm working on embeddedkonsole atm |
| 15:19:35 | kergoth | I think i'll build glibc with debugging symbols, and use ltrace |
| 15:19:37 | kergoth | thatd make life easy |
| 15:20:47 | benmeyer | bommer doesn't work on a 500D |
| 15:20:53 | benmeyer | blows up your machine |
| 15:20:54 | benmeyer | haha |
| 15:20:57 | kergoth | hah |
| 15:22:26 | kergoth | ljp_quark: idea, try adding MOUNTPT=/mnt/cf in the top block of ide.opts |
| 15:22:36 | kergoth | bah |
| 15:24:27 | benmeyer | http://devel-home.kde.org/~larrosa/localizer.html |
| 15:24:34 | benmeyer | Anyone know wher the package is for that? |
| 15:24:37 | tempest | almost chokes when he sees the pic of the serial cable from bill's Z Faq |
| 15:24:58 | tempest | that thing's insane... wtf does it need to be that large for!? |
| 15:25:03 | kergoth | lol.. |
| 15:25:06 | benmeyer | to block the keyboard |
| 15:25:09 | tempest | hahaha |
| 15:25:22 | benmeyer | sense you can only use one or the other |
| 15:25:52 | kergoth | benmeyer: why? according to jason it was just the physical problem preventing it.. i didnt realize it was a limitation in the unit itself |
| 15:25:55 | tempest | benmeyer: what does the keyboard have to do with /dev/ttyS0? (i'm not trying to be flippant - I'm really curious) |
| 15:26:02 | kergoth | i'm curious also |
| 15:26:13 | benmeyer | don't know some hardware limitation |
| 15:26:19 | kergoth | as it'd make the Z virtually useless for consoling unix machines, cisco's, etc |
| 15:26:24 | tempest | that doesn't make sens to me... |
| 15:26:26 | tempest | sense even |
| 15:26:27 | twiun | 's mind boggles |
| 15:26:43 | kergoth | yeah, thats bad design |
| 15:26:45 | tempest | i've seen compact flash serial adapters, but they wanted some rediculous sum for it |
| 15:26:50 | tempest | like $115 USD |
| 15:26:55 | kergoth | especially since this unit will be used in so many niche applications.. |
| 15:26:58 | kergoth | this will interfere with that |
| 15:27:07 | kergoth | imo |
| 15:27:37 | tempest | agreed |
| 15:28:00 | ljp_quark | no gokergoth |
| 15:28:19 | tempest | perhaps one of the 56k modem CF cards can be used with null modem adapters? |
| 15:28:31 | tempest | it'd be WAY more expesive than i'd like, but if that's what it takes... |
| 15:28:31 | kergoth | ljp_quark: it works here without the mountpoint set in the ide.opts.. |
| 15:28:33 | kergoth | wtf |
| 15:28:35 | kergoth | grrr |
| 15:28:43 | kergoth | ack, i need a ? on my hardware keyboard |
| 15:28:51 | kergoth | i want to echo $? |
| 15:28:52 | ljp_ | do you have cardmon instaled? |
| 15:28:53 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:29:08 | kergoth | ljp_: yes, but i told you, it automounts for me whether or not i have opie installed at all |
| 15:29:32 | ljp_ | hmm |
| 15:29:33 | kergoth | opie doesnt do any mounting |
| 15:29:58 | ljp_ | cardctl does |
| 15:30:11 | ljp_ | I think |
| 15:30:27 | kergoth | cardctl is a control utility |
| 15:30:34 | kergoth | cardmon doesnt call out cardctl to mount |
| 15:30:39 | kergoth | it relies on the distro to do it |
| 15:30:50 | kergoth | cardmgr does the automount when the appropriate options are set in ide.opts |
| 15:30:53 | kergoth | at least, it should be |
| 15:30:55 | kergoth | hm |
| 15:31:35 | hunger | kergoth: automount of CF cards works for me with the new pcmcia. |
| 15:31:40 | kergoth | hunger: good, good |
| 15:31:58 | kergoth | the fstype is auto, so it should pick up however its formatted |
| 15:32:07 | ljp_ | well poop |
| 15:32:09 | kergoth | I need to swipe the sd daemon from the sharp rom for sd automount.. |
| 15:32:25 | kergoth | ljp_: manually mounting works? |
| 15:32:38 | ljp_ | yes |
| 15:32:55 | kergoth | that makes no sense |
| 15:33:02 | kergoth | windows answer: reboot |
| 15:33:03 | kergoth | hehe |
| 15:33:15 | ljp_ | I have |
| 15:33:29 | kergoth | grr |
| 15:34:27 | ljp_ | cardmon icon never shows up on taskbar |
| 15:35:06 | kergoth | that indicates that you forgot to ln -s /proc/mounts /etc/mtab |
| 15:35:11 | kergoth | or cardmgr isnt picking up the card |
| 15:35:13 | kergoth | generally |
| 15:35:58 | ljp_ | well, I thought I did that, lemme do it again |
| 15:36:24 | kergoth | hm |
| 15:36:27 | kergoth | thats odd |
| 15:36:38 | kergoth | ljp_: any useful messages from cardmgr? |
| 15:36:52 | kergoth | ljp_: you may want to keep a beta2 kernel around for debugging |
| 15:36:55 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:42:23 | kergoth | hey warmi |
| 15:42:41 | warmi | hi |
| 15:43:07 | kergoth | how's it goin? |
| 15:43:53 | hunger | Damit! Why does this SD card allways get mounted as vfat? |
| 15:43:55 | warmi | another beautiful day here in Chicago ... the temperature is in 80s again |
| 15:44:14 | kergoth | hunger: in oz3? or sharp rom? or your sd reader on your desktop? hehe |
| 15:44:31 | kergoth | warmi: nice... its muggy out here in minnesota. likely going to be raining.. perhaps storming, soon |
| 15:44:38 | hunger | kergoth: OZ3 in the Z. I don't have a SDcard reader for my laptop. |
| 15:44:48 | tempest | kergoth: you're stuck in MN too, eh? ;) |
| 15:44:50 | kergoth | hunger: ah.. check /etc/fstab.. iirc, it uses 'auto' |
| 15:45:51 | hunger | kergoth: Yes, it does. But I used fdisk to change the type of the partition to linux and mke2fsed it. It still tries to mount it as vfat. |
| 15:50:26 | ljp_ | kergoth: cardmgr: device or resource busy |
| 15:51:32 | NeoTron | good morning |
| 15:54:14 | warmi | Neo|Work: hi |
| 15:55:22 | ljp_ | kergoth: cardmgr: cannot open /var/run/stab: No such file or directory (from console) |
| 15:55:36 | kergoth | hunger: hmm... thats a problem.. the kernel auto should figure out the fs.. |
| 15:55:52 | kergoth | ljp_: hmm.. well mkdir /var/run |
| 15:55:57 | ljp_ | there's no files in /var |
| 15:56:22 | hunger | kergoth: It does not. I can mount the card manually, specifing the FS to be ext2 |
| 15:56:26 | NeoTron | anyhow, time to leave again |
| 15:56:29 | NeoTron | => work etc |
| 15:56:31 | NeoTron | is away: work |
| 15:56:31 | kergoth | ljp_: there isnt?? |
| 15:56:44 | ljp_ | nope |
| 15:56:47 | kergoth | ljp_: the /etc/init.d/extractfs script should be extracting the var files... |
| 15:56:52 | kergoth | hunger: do you have files in /var/? |
| 15:56:59 | kergoth | ljp_: run extractfs manually |
| 15:57:57 | hunger | kergoth: Nothing but a few pid files and two files from pcmcia. |
| 15:58:14 | kergoth | hunger: k.. but /var/run exists.. etc? the directories in var exist, right? |
| 15:58:22 | kergoth | hmm |
| 15:58:52 | hunger | kergoth: I modified /var a bit... IIRC I only removed /var/mnt, but I'm not sure. |
| 15:59:13 | hunger | kergoth: /var/run, &var/log, /var/lock and /var/lib does exist here. |
| 16:00:17 | ljp_ | kergoth: I think .var_default.tar was in ~ still and I deleted it.. :) |
| 16:01:21 | kergoth | hah |
| 16:01:24 | kergoth | that'll do it |
| 16:01:34 | kergoth | /var is ramfs |
| 16:01:42 | kergoth | its reextracted every bootup |
| 16:01:48 | kergoth | just reinstall oz-base |
| 16:01:53 | kergoth | ipkg -force-reinstall oz-base* |
| 16:02:02 | kergoth | s/oz-base*/install oz-base*/ |
| 16:02:13 | ljp_ | hmmm |
| 16:06:38 | hunger | kergoth: This sucks: |
| 16:06:49 | hunger | mount -t auto -o user,owner /dev/mmcda1 card/ |
| 16:07:00 | kergoth | hm |
| 16:07:07 | kergoth | try forcing the filesystem type |
| 16:07:08 | hunger | mount gives: /dev/mmcda1 on /mnt/card type vfat (rw) |
| 16:07:17 | hunger | mount -t auto /dev/mmcda1 card/ |
| 16:07:28 | hunger | mount gives: /dev/mmcda1 on /mnt/card type ext2 (rw) |
| 16:07:49 | kergoth | errr... |
| 16:07:50 | kergoth | oh! |
| 16:07:52 | kergoth | hmm |
| 16:07:59 | kergoth | try removing 'owner' |
| 16:08:06 | hunger | kergoth: The options are those from fstab |
| 16:08:09 | kergoth | i know |
| 16:08:34 | hunger | kergoth: Does not help... |
| 16:08:44 | hunger | kergoth: It's still vfat. |
| 16:08:49 | kergoth | hmm |
| 16:08:52 | kergoth | so its the user flag that kills it? |
| 16:09:03 | kergoth | s/flag/option/ |
| 16:09:20 | hunger | kergoth: -o owner breaks it too. |
| 16:09:37 | kergoth | wtf |
| 16:09:44 | kergoth | I wonder if this is a problem with busybox mount.. |
| 16:09:45 | kergoth | hmm |
| 16:10:26 | hunger | kergoth: I don't have ext2 partitions on my non-Z boxes. |
| 16:10:40 | kergoth | hmm? |
| 16:11:22 | hunger | kergoth: I was looking around for a other box I could try this on. |
| 16:11:32 | kergoth | ah.. |
| 16:11:33 | kergoth | hmm |
| 16:11:47 | kergoth | too bad i dont have a sd card to test on.. i could try my cf i suppose |
| 16:11:53 | kergoth | stupid -t auto |
| 16:11:57 | kergoth | shoots mount |
| 16:12:11 | hunger | Oh, cool! I changed fstab to use ext2 at all times for /dev/mmda1. |
| 16:12:14 | kergoth | hunger: add this to the bug tracker on SF so I dont forget about it |
| 16:12:18 | hunger | Now I get a permission denied! |
| 16:12:23 | kergoth | ack |
| 16:12:54 | hunger | Something is seriously broken here... I am root after all. |
| 16:13:00 | kergoth | doesnt matter |
| 16:13:05 | kergoth | ls -l /mnt/card/ |
| 16:13:12 | kergoth | is it u+rx? |
| 16:14:10 | hunger | kergoth: Sure. |
| 16:14:45 | kergoth | hm |
| 16:14:50 | kergoth | you get permission denied, when? |
| 16:14:56 | kergoth | when it mounts? or when you try to access it? |
| 16:15:17 | hunger | kergoth: When I try to mount it. |
| 16:15:29 | kergoth | hmmm |
| 16:16:09 | hunger | kergoth: This is absolutly broken... I'll write a new fstab. Maybe I got some strange cgharacters somewhere in it. Had that once before. |
| 16:25:44 | hunger | kergoth: The same happens with cf cards too. |
| 16:26:01 | kergoth | figured |
| 16:26:10 | kergoth | its either a busybox mount problem or a kernel auto fstype problem |
| 16:26:15 | kergoth | I'll need to figure out which |
| 16:26:20 | kergoth | did you add the bug to the tracker yet? |
| 16:27:00 | hunger | kergoth: I changed the partition type with fdisk. I did mke2fs on the partition. What else could I do to make it clear to the Z which fs I want? |
| 16:28:08 | kergoth | hunger: that should be enough, imo |
| 16:36:23 | kergoth | can someone give me the output of a ls -l /etc/hotplug/ on a sharp rom? |
| 16:38:20 | mark | kergoth: can't you just get that from a downloaded ROM? |
| 16:38:32 | kergoth | yeah, but i'm lazy |
| 16:38:33 | kergoth | :-P |
| 16:38:37 | mark | hehe |
| 16:38:45 | mark | sorry, my z has oz on now ;) |
| 16:39:11 | kergoth | ~/roms/1.1x$ ~/buildroot-oz/bin/split romimage.113 |
| 16:39:19 | kergoth | heheh |
| 16:39:23 | mark | hehe |
| 16:39:29 | mark | where should QTDIR be set? |
| 16:39:47 | kergoth | its set in /etc/init.d/qpe |
| 16:39:50 | mark | i know |
| 16:39:51 | kergoth | its set to /opt/QtPalmtop |
| 16:40:04 | mark | i'm trying to run todolist from a console so i can see the debug messages :) |
| 16:40:21 | kergoth | ah.. |
| 16:40:40 | kergoth | i extracted the qpe environment vars into a seperate script, and then i just '. qpeenv' and run the app |
| 16:40:41 | kergoth | :-) |
| 16:40:55 | mark | it takes me forever to type anything on this thing :) |
| 16:41:10 | mark | ah, i see, undefined symbol FontMenuQWidget |
| 16:41:17 | hunger | kergoth: Bug is submitted. |
| 16:41:18 | kergoth | undefined symbols? |
| 16:41:19 | kergoth | hmm |
| 16:41:26 | kergoth | mark: update your opie packages to the latest from the oz3 feed |
| 16:41:31 | kergoth | hunger: thanks |
| 16:41:38 | mark | kergoth: i will once you have usbnet working : |
| 16:41:39 | mark | ) |
| 16:41:54 | kergoth | i'm working on that atm |
| 16:42:04 | mark | excellent |
| 16:42:09 | kergoth | the hotplug scripts on the sharp rom were designed to fit into a redhat style bootscript env |
| 16:42:12 | kergoth | so i may have to hack them some |
| 16:44:39 | Neo|Work | moring again |
| 16:44:45 | Neo|Work | morning even |
| 16:45:02 | mark | hi Neo|Work |
| 16:45:08 | mark | kergoth: yep. hope it goes well :) |
| 16:45:12 | riskable | Afternoon |
| 16:45:24 | riskable | Any Z news today? |
| 16:45:31 | kergoth | sup neo, riskable |
| 16:45:31 | Neo|Work | sugar heard NeoTron |
| 16:45:31 | Sugar | is away: work |
| 16:45:39 | Neo|Work | not too bad I suppose |
| 16:45:53 | kergoth | wtf |
| 16:46:17 | kergoth | ugh |
| 16:46:25 | kergoth | the way sharp handled the usbd stuff is a hack |
| 16:46:28 | kergoth | grumbles |
| 16:46:39 | mark | hehe |
| 16:46:40 | kergoth | rm /etc/usbcontrol |
| 16:46:52 | riskable | kergoth: I think that really shows considering how well the Z synchronizes |
| 16:46:54 | hunger | kergoth: Looks like I can report bugs faster then you can fix them;-) |
| 16:46:59 | hunger | grins at kergoth. |
| 16:47:09 | kergoth | hunger: no kidding... :-) |
| 16:47:38 | hunger | kergoth: Of course you need to do the hard part;-) |
| 16:47:39 | riskable | Well, take your time, there's absolutely no rush. Put out quality, fix bugs in quantity :) |
| 16:47:58 | kergoth | yeah, I'm taking this one thing at a time |
| 16:49:03 | riskable | wishes Mandrake would hurry up and ship him the damn ProSuite DVD |
| 16:50:30 | Neo|Work | I never had any problems with the usb networking actually |
| 16:50:42 | Neo|Work | I don't think syncing problems. at least on Linux, are related to that |
| 16:50:51 | kergoth | no, usb networking is fine |
| 16:50:53 | Neo|Work | I mean, I scp, browse the web etc w/o problems |
| 16:51:35 | kergoth | I just dont like the way some of the things are done in embedix. some of it feels like a hack rather than a solution, imho |
| 16:52:34 | weimer | is away: vv |
| 16:52:47 | kergoth | w, eh |
| 16:54:37 | kergoth | k, first fix towards the usbnet problem in oz3.. add usbdmonitor to /etc/modules |
| 16:54:50 | kergoth | that should ensure that hotplug events occur on plug/unplug |
| 16:55:47 | hunger | kergoth: The util-linux ipk conflicts with tinylogin. Both want to install /bin/getty |
| 16:55:59 | bewmIES | yeah, rm /sbin/getty. it won't break anything |
| 16:56:25 | bewmIES | is pissed that he left his dongle at home |
| 16:57:46 | hunger | It conflicts on /etc/rcS.d/S50hwclock.sh too |
| 16:58:34 | hunger | And after removing that util-linux's postinst script fails here:-( |
| 16:58:59 | kergoth | hunger: it should still have installed, even if postinst failed, iirc |
| 17:01:05 | mark | god i can't believe the 2.4 kernel maintainer is just 18 |
| 17:01:27 | warmi | not good |
| 17:01:39 | mark | why? |
| 17:01:41 | warmi | this kind of job requires a lot of experience |
| 17:01:56 | Rince | isn't that normal? |
| 17:02:06 | mark | warmi: he is doing a great job |
| 17:02:19 | warmi | well, being a brilliant coder is not tied so much to ones age |
| 17:02:36 | bewmIES | I woudn't say great job yet |
| 17:02:46 | bewmIES | Hell he sent out 2.4.18 final without the last rc patch |
| 17:03:02 | mark | bewmIES: hmm, okay, i think he is doing pretty well :) |
| 17:03:08 | warmi | that's why you don't see many 18 years old managers |
| 17:03:10 | bewmIES | And his release cylcles are longer then Linus' (so it seems) |
| 17:03:31 | mark | bewmIES: everyone makes mistakes. remeber that linus kernel where symlinks were borxed? :) |
| 17:03:53 | bewmIES | Amongst others, yes. I'm just not prepared to say he's doing a "great" job yet :) |
| 17:04:00 | mark | heeh |
| 17:04:12 | warmi | where is he from ? |
| 17:04:17 | mark | brazil |
| 17:04:21 | mark | wishes he was a good coder :) |
| 17:04:32 | kergoth | too |
| 17:04:43 | warmi | mark: is your code crashing left and right ? |
| 17:04:51 | warmi | :-) |
| 17:04:54 | kergoth | I'm not especially good at anything really, but I can fumble my way through just about anything |
| 17:04:57 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:05:01 | warmi | if not , they you ARE good enough coder |
| 17:05:03 | warmi | :-) |
| 17:05:09 | mark | warmi: heh, no no, i just take too long to do stuff and its not as elegant as it could be |
| 17:05:24 | kergoth | mark: our standards for ourselves are often higher than those others would set for us |
| 17:05:39 | warmi | oh . .. no code is ever as elegant as we would want it to be |
| 17:06:00 | kergoth | i'm never prepared to release my code. always have to though |
| 17:06:09 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:06:13 | mark | warmi: true :) |
| 17:06:28 | kergoth | ack, i dont like this.. |
| 17:06:37 | warmi | yeah, people get away with so many things .. I have seen some source code from commercial apps .. |
| 17:06:39 | kergoth | sharp puts usbd networking configuration info in /etc/hotplug/usbd.conf |
| 17:06:45 | hunger | opie-ppp depends on none |
| 17:06:51 | kergoth | opie-ppp should NEVER be used |
| 17:06:52 | kergoth | ever |
| 17:06:52 | warmi | soemtimes this stuff is horrendous but since you never see the code , people get away with it |
| 17:06:54 | kergoth | delete it |
| 17:07:09 | kergoth | warmi: good point |
| 17:07:09 | mark | warmi: heh, i'm sure |
| 17:07:25 | hunger | kergoth: delete it on SF then. |
| 17:07:35 | kergoth | hunger: yeah, i didnt realize it was up there |
| 17:07:41 | kergoth | wtf |
| 17:08:03 | kergoth | why wouldnt lineo use /etc/sysconfig/network and network-scripts? |
| 17:08:14 | kergoth | instead, they implement a independent solution for usbd explictly |
| 17:08:34 | kergoth | mutters about lacking consistency |
| 17:08:36 | Neo|Work | kergoth: that's how I do my usbd stuff on the desktop side. very handy |
| 17:09:01 | Neo|Work | now, has anyone managed to get it to set the default route for the usbdnet connection without hacking init-scripts? |
| 17:09:25 | kergoth | Neo|Work: hmm thanks for bringing that up, i'll need to find a good way to implement that in oz3 |
| 17:09:26 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:09:29 | kergoth | hmm |
| 17:09:49 | scribe | warmi: thanks!!!! |
| 17:10:15 | Neo|Work | kergoth: as you said, it would be nice if it was configured like any other interface. :P |
| 17:10:34 | kergoth | yeah thats how i'll handle it in oz.. oz uses /etc/network/interfaces ala debian |
| 17:10:40 | kergoth | time to rewrite the usbd hotplug scripts |
| 17:11:15 | warmi | scribe: no problem .. |
| 17:11:15 | mark | have fun |
| 17:11:37 | warmi | you should consider posting your app on handango |
| 17:11:41 | kergoth | mark: i'll get a new hotplug revision in which usb networking functions, but still isnt integrated into /etc/network/interfaces |
| 17:11:48 | kergoth | mark: just so people have a quick solution for functionality |
| 17:11:53 | kergoth | mark: then i'll start rewriting it |
| 17:12:40 | mark | kergoth: cool, sounds good |
| 17:12:44 | mark | warmi: who was that to? |
| 17:12:53 | warmi | scribe: |
| 17:13:14 | scribe | warmi: does the z use feeds? did my feed work? |
| 17:13:42 | warmi | my Z is not connected to the network yet |
| 17:13:52 | kergoth | umm |
| 17:13:53 | kergoth | shit |
| 17:14:00 | kergoth | mark: do you have usbd modules in /lib/modules? |
| 17:14:03 | warmi | I am in process of purchasing an ethernet card |
| 17:14:29 | mark | kergoth: one sec |
| 17:14:38 | warmi | right now I am just using the CF reader to transfer my files |
| 17:14:39 | Neo|Work | warmi: wired or wireless? |
| 17:14:49 | mark | kergoth: need to reset again |
| 17:15:17 | hunger | opie-libmpeg3plugin is broken too. |
| 17:15:25 | warmi | Neo|Work: wired ... there is no point for me wasting money wireless |
| 17:15:27 | kergoth | hunger: whats wrong with it? |
| 17:15:44 | kergoth | hunger: remember you can either use libmad, or libmpeg3 for mp3 playback in the opie player |
| 17:15:51 | kergoth | brb |
| 17:16:24 | hunger | kergoth: It tries to overwrite a bunch of files from opie-mpegplayer |
| 17:16:26 | mark | kergoth: doesnt look like it |
| 17:16:32 | mark | warmi: how much are they? |
| 17:16:34 | kergoth | mark: shit... i was afraid of that |
| 17:16:34 | Neo|Work | warmi: indeed. |
| 17:16:40 | Neo|Work | warmi: let me know what you find out |
| 17:16:43 | kergoth | mark: i'll get out a new kernel module sipk as well |
| 17:17:08 | warmi | I think I am gonna go for NE2000 clone ... I can get one for about $50 |
| 17:17:15 | Neo|Work | what I need most is wired, since my house is wired with ethernet and since I don't have th emoney to setup a wireless infrastructure anyway |
| 17:17:31 | warmi | it is not like my Z will be running Apache or anything like that :-) |
| 17:17:50 | Rince | has wireless everywhere that;s why he want to have a wireless card :-) |
| 17:17:55 | warmi | yeah, my house is wired as well ... I have a hub and bunch of cables all over the floor :-) |
| 17:18:29 | Neo|Work | hehe |
| 17:18:39 | Neo|Work | my cables are in the walls and under the floors etc. :P |
| 17:19:01 | Neo|Work | and one of the connection points is right at the tv |
| 17:19:20 | hunger | opie-keyboard gives invalid compressed data errors here. |
| 17:19:48 | Neo|Work | I assume everyone got their TT entries submitted? |
| 17:20:06 | warmi | I thought mark droped out |
| 17:20:18 | kergoth | hunger: yes i've seen those intermittantly... its odd |
| 17:22:11 | whardier | hoopie froopdie doo |
| 17:22:19 | mark | Neo|Work: yeh, i dropped out |
| 17:22:43 | whardier | kicks mark |
| 17:23:07 | mark | yep |
| 17:23:10 | warmi | :-) |
| 17:23:29 | warmi | seems his goal was to win new shiny Zaurus |
| 17:23:38 | warmi | and he accomplished that |
| 17:23:41 | Com[Plex] | hey bigboss, yuo there? |
| 17:24:15 | mark | warmi: precisely. and there is a limit to how good a metronome can get, and that limit wouldn't have got me anywhere near a laptop :) |
| 17:24:22 | warmi | hehehe |
| 17:24:35 | mark | i'll finish the app soon though i think |
| 17:24:38 | warmi | well, good working metronom is much better than not working word processor |
| 17:24:44 | Com[Plex] | hey warmi |
| 17:24:56 | Com[Plex] | how ya doin/ |
| 17:24:58 | mark | warmi: there was also a problem re accuracy |
| 17:25:06 | warmi | hi Complex .. I am doing fine |
| 17:25:26 | Com[Plex] | how soon before puzz-le full is available? |
| 17:25:35 | warmi | it is available now :-) |
| 17:25:49 | warmi | mark: what are you using ?? Qtopia timers ? |
| 17:26:06 | mark | warmi: i was using QTimer |
| 17:26:11 | mark | way not good enough |
| 17:26:20 | Com[Plex] | oh :> where can I find it? |
| 17:26:23 | warmi | yep |
| 17:26:35 | warmi | either on handgango or the source code on www.warmi.net/zaurus |
| 17:26:44 | Com[Plex] | sweet :> |
| 17:27:11 | warmi | mark: yeah, I know ... timer frequency is highly dependant on the current load |
| 17:27:16 | warmi | (system load) |
| 17:28:22 | warmi | allright.. I am done with the contest and finally will be able to spend more time on phalanx and my secret asm project |
| 17:28:24 | warmi | heh |
| 17:28:33 | Neo|Work | warmi: well, it was my goal as well, but. :PP |
| 17:29:10 | warmi | I know you wanna win everything there is win |
| 17:29:12 | warmi | heh |
| 17:29:12 | mark | warmi: i need to rewrite it with clock() |
| 17:29:20 | Neo|Work | timer is "approximate" indeed |
| 17:30:54 | warmi | well, you will need to do it in another thread or take over Qt events loop |
| 17:31:29 | hunger | konqueror-snapshot depends on qpe-base which is not there:-( |
| 17:31:45 | Com[Plex] | is there some reason why winzip wont open all these tar.gz files anymore? |
| 17:31:47 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 17:31:50 | kergoth | hunger: ipkg -force-depends install konq* |
| 17:31:52 | kergoth | :-) |
| 17:32:07 | warmi | it does for me ... ocasionally |
| 17:32:09 | warmi | heh |
| 17:32:31 | warmi | are you getting just one tar file which winzip refuses to untar ? |
| 17:32:46 | hunger | Damit! No space left on device:-( |
| 17:33:01 | Com[Plex] | actually, its the gz files its haveing trouble with. let me try another |
| 17:33:05 | ljp_ | kergoth: I had to reflash and install pcmcia, cause ipkg wouldn't force-reinstall opie-base |
| 17:33:06 | kergoth | hunger: wait for install to mtdram/cf/sd :-) |
| 17:33:23 | kergoth | ljp_: odd |
| 17:33:28 | hunger | kergoth: I'm doing that allready:-) |
| 17:33:39 | warmi | well, I my winzip installation would ungzip the file but would then refuse to untar the rest :-) |
| 17:33:43 | hunger | kergoth: ipkg does not know of course, just some symlink magic. |
| 17:33:46 | warmi | which was pretty useles |
| 17:33:46 | Com[Plex] | uh nope. - Ill bet it was ie downloading from ftp in ascii mode |
| 17:34:22 | kergoth | hunger: well ipkg does know its on mtdram |
| 17:34:31 | hunger | How so? |
| 17:34:33 | kergoth | hunger: it just doesnt know that all those files happen to be symlinked into the rootfs |
| 17:34:39 | kergoth | hunger: ipkg -d mtdram install konq* |
| 17:34:50 | kergoth | hunger: will do it.. but no symlinks are created into the dirs in / |
| 17:35:06 | hunger | kergoth: Nah... that's the device that's full. |
| 17:35:07 | kergoth | hunger: so binaries arent in /opt/qtpalmtop/bin, libs arent in /opt/qtpalmtop/lib, etc |
| 17:35:13 | kergoth | huh? |
| 17:35:17 | kergoth | mtdram is full? |
| 17:35:26 | kergoth | or flash? |
| 17:35:28 | benmeyer | http://www.geocities.com/myhorse_sam/ |
| 17:35:35 | hunger | mtdram. |
| 17:35:43 | kergoth | ah |
| 17:35:46 | hunger | /dev/mtdblock4 14464 6148 8316 43% / |
| 17:35:46 | hunger | /dev/mtdblock6 15863 15863 0 100% /mnt/ram |
| 17:35:49 | kergoth | shouldve picked a different kernel then |
| 17:35:54 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:36:01 | kergoth | :-P |
| 17:36:21 | hunger | kergoth: Why? The complete OPIE is in mtdram! I'll delete most of it anyway. |
| 17:36:26 | kergoth | hunger: ah.. |
| 17:36:29 | kergoth | k ;-) |
| 17:36:32 | warmi | benmeyer: hehehehe |
| 17:37:11 | hunger | kergoth: How can I find out which files konqueror installed before it went out of space? |
| 17:37:13 | warmi | this "horse" is still in the contest |
| 17:37:13 | mark | benmeyer: heh, cool. that urs? |
| 17:37:16 | benmeyer | nope |
| 17:37:23 | kergoth | hunger: hmm... not sure.. does ipkg have a verbose command? |
| 17:37:31 | mark | (i like the way he has taking pics of his monitor) |
| 17:37:39 | kergoth | hunger: you could always ipkg files packagename.. but that lists whats in the db, not whats in the filesystem, iirc |
| 17:37:45 | warmi | huhm this guy actually took a picture of his monitor |
| 17:37:46 | warmi | lol |
| 17:38:08 | warmi | but this "horse" thingy looks cool |
| 17:38:10 | hunger | kergoth: The DB entry is not yet installed. |
| 17:38:30 | mark | warmi: yeh |
| 17:38:55 | Neo|Work | nice way to do screenshots tho. :P |
| 17:39:00 | warmi | hehe |
| 17:39:43 | warmi | man ,, you can run horse races over TCP/IP .. this guys is quite serious about it |
| 17:39:48 | warmi | it might actually be fun |
| 17:40:14 | mark | still cant understand why people retained apps before the contest |
| 17:40:22 | Neo|Work | benmeyer: you looking at contest entries or something? |
| 17:40:24 | warmi | surprize factor |
| 17:40:49 | mark | hmmm |
| 17:40:51 | benmeyer | maybe :) |
| 17:40:59 | warmi | if you don't know what the other guy has in store you are not motivated to improve your app |
| 17:41:47 | mark | is regretting not finishing his app |
| 17:42:01 | mark | grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr |
| 17:42:06 | warmi | hehehe |
| 17:42:07 | ljp_ | mark: app? |
| 17:42:23 | benmeyer | mark: what was your app? |
| 17:42:29 | warmi | well, I told you so that when there was still time to sent the final version |
| 17:42:38 | mark | heh, yeh |
| 17:42:41 | mark | :) |
| 17:43:33 | mark | i just looked at the things i would have been competting against and there is nothing brilliant |
| 17:43:35 | warmi | but, no .. you were more interested in flying fake gliders |
| 17:43:43 | mark | heheh |
| 17:44:29 | MEGASTeP | is back (gone 15:09:23) |
| 17:44:44 | warmi | I got to try one day these motorized "business class" available "gliders" .. |
| 17:44:53 | warmi | I could later brag about my gliding skills |
| 17:44:55 | warmi | ) |
| 17:45:58 | warmi | Neo|Work: so now we have not only each other but also horse app to compete against |
| 17:46:18 | warmi | I think this guy skipped the beta stage and went for right for the gold :-) |
| 17:46:53 | benmeyer | haha |
| 17:47:06 | benmeyer | The screen-screencap is cool though |
| 17:48:20 | Neo|Work | warmi: indeed. I wonder if he had an actual device to work with already |
| 17:48:28 | Neo|Work | if not that's definitely a huge drawback. :P |
| 17:48:50 | whardier | I need about $6500 in Wireless Equipment |
| 17:48:51 | whardier | :( |
| 17:50:17 | warmi | I think he has |
| 17:50:25 | benmeyer | http://www.tp1.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/people/geisler/zau/zasteroid.html |
| 17:50:30 | benmeyer | Is that our z? |
| 17:50:44 | ljp_ | just rolled his beloved utils (emacs, lxt, local, updatedb) into an ipk for easier OZ reflashing |
| 17:51:07 | warmi | I don't think so |
| 17:51:44 | warmi | what the hell uses ZAC extension ? |
| 17:51:44 | Neo|Work | benmeyer: probably not. ".zac".. |
| 17:52:01 | Neo|Work | it's probably the japanese Zaurus |
| 17:52:10 | warmi | it must be one of these "portable" or mini-lapton Zauruses |
| 17:52:29 | Neo|Work | especially since it says "press [japanese] to Quit" |
| 17:52:47 | Neo|Work | I don't have a [japenese] button on my Zaurus, do you? :) |
| 17:53:00 | benmeyer | http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT5124708001.html |
| 17:53:06 | benmeyer | usb driver gpld |
| 17:53:14 | warmi | I got feeling my son will love that horse program |
| 17:53:18 | Neo|Work | hehe |
| 17:53:19 | kergoth | benmeyer: what usb driver? |
| 17:53:43 | hunger | what is tableview supposed to do? |
| 17:53:55 | kergoth | hunger: no one knows :-) |
| 17:54:47 | ljp_ | its amazing how automount weases things.. |
| 17:54:48 | mark | warmi: i like the look of that |
| 17:54:52 | ljp_ | eases |
| 17:54:56 | kergoth | ljp_: no kidding.. |
| 17:55:17 | mark | kergoth: hows usb goin? |
| 17:55:19 | kergoth | ljp_: and to think it was only changing like 2-3 lines in ide.opts |
| 17:55:50 | ljp_ | hehehehe |
| 17:57:36 | warmi | Neo|Work: I was meaning to ask that .. so what was your final decision regarding rocker input in Eligo ? |
| 17:58:22 | Neo|Work | i left it in |
| 17:58:35 | Neo|Work | I think I got the problems fixed to the most part |
| 17:58:37 | ljp_ | hmm need to fix my file manager to redirect the redirected out |
| 17:58:49 | Neo|Work | at least my test playing didn't reveal any huge / irritating issues |
| 17:59:07 | warmi | yeah, I forgot to implement rocker input in zcheckers. .. simply forgot :-) |
| 17:59:07 | Neo|Work | and since it's such a non-preferred way of playing anyway I figured it'd be ok |
| 17:59:12 | kergoth | "to redirect the redirected out" <-lol.. |
| 17:59:30 | warmi | yeah, same thing with Puzz-le .. stylus is the way to play the game |
| 17:59:56 | kergoth | ljp_: send me your file manager :-) |
| 18:00:13 | ljp_ | heh- ya.. try and redirect output from a command to a file .. nope |
| 18:00:41 | ljp_ | how do I get suspend working properly again? |
| 18:00:54 | kergoth | it isnt working properly? |
| 18:01:35 | ljp_ | no.. suspends too quickly |
| 18:01:38 | ljp_ | I think |
| 18:01:38 | kergoth | hmm |
| 18:01:41 | kergoth | ive never seen that |
| 18:01:47 | ljp_ | maybe its just me |
| 18:01:52 | kergoth | you install the updated oz-base that fixes mtab & /dev/fl? |
| 18:01:52 | ljp_ | :D |
| 18:01:55 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:02:02 | ljp_ | hmmm no |
| 18:02:05 | kergoth | do that |
| 18:02:10 | kergoth | then the frontlight will behave itself |
| 18:02:18 | kergoth | that may be part of the prob |
| 18:02:35 | ep0ch | evenin' all |
| 18:02:37 | kergoth | opie might not be responding in a sane way to the frontlight not being accessible |
| 18:02:41 | kergoth | hey ep0ch |
| 18:02:54 | ljp_ | ya I did the fl link |
| 18:03:02 | kergoth | thats cool |
| 18:03:07 | Neo|Work | warmi: stylus is faster but it's actually not painful to play with the pad now |
| 18:03:08 | Neo|Work | which is nice |
| 18:03:43 | ep0ch | kergoth: any extra features added to oZ beta 3 over beta 2? |
| 18:03:48 | ljp_ | bbiab |
| 18:04:18 | warmi | yeah, one thing I don't like about Qtopia is that there is no way to tab between the controls without using the keyboard |
| 18:04:42 | kergoth | ep0ch: things are actually being fixed. beta2 initrd sucked.. beta3 actually boots into opie and shit |
| 18:04:46 | warmi | as soon as one of the controls has "strong focus" and gets it , you cannot switch to another |
| 18:04:53 | ep0ch | sweet |
| 18:05:08 | kergoth | ep0ch: the only difference to the kernels is removed kernel messages to console, and disabled mtd debugging |
| 18:05:11 | ep0ch | i thought beta2 was cool actually |
| 18:05:17 | kergoth | ep0ch: so messages no longer stomp on the opie display |
| 18:05:38 | kergoth | i'm working on fixing usbd networking atm |
| 18:05:58 | ep0ch | good! that'll save me flashing to 1.13 all the time :) |
| 18:06:04 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:06:13 | kergoth | then i go back to fixing embeddedkonsole |
| 18:06:14 | Neo|Work | warmi: yes, that's kind of annoying |
| 18:06:26 | ep0ch | i reckon sharp must be jealous of your ROM |
| 18:06:36 | Neo|Work | warmi: but that's more of a problem with the zaurus hw buttons than qtopia |
| 18:06:47 | kergoth | ep0ch: not yet.. perhaps when the critical bugs are fixed...... ;-) |
| 18:07:04 | kergoth | k need food |
| 18:07:06 | Com[Plex] | [12PIMP] http://me.256k.net/casemod/ZAURUS-MODS/ |
| 18:09:13 | ep0ch | anyone know anything about Compaq 1215EA laptops? |
| 18:09:16 | benmeyer | ugg bmp files |
| 18:10:21 | JasonNJ | man some of these contest apps need serious work |
| 18:10:28 | JasonNJ | some of them are really cool though. |
| 18:10:36 | Neo|Work | JasonNJ: finally got them I take it? :) |
| 18:10:47 | JasonNJ | most of them, yep. |
| 18:11:10 | ep0ch | can we all get the apps? |
| 18:11:19 | warmi | hehehe |
| 18:11:25 | Neo|Work | I hope my little advanture with last second fixes turned out fine. :P |
| 18:11:28 | JasonNJ | a lot of them are on handango already |
| 18:11:33 | warmi | I want that horse app .. badly |
| 18:11:37 | JasonNJ | they will all be avalaible after the contest |
| 18:11:48 | ep0ch | anything which stands out J? |
| 18:12:16 | Neo|Work | btw, did anyone notice that we never were given a choice of entering a license as the rules or whatever said? |
| 18:12:22 | JasonNJ | some of the games are very impressive |
| 18:12:28 | JasonNJ | the utilities I have seen are very useful |
| 18:12:30 | Neo|Work | JasonNJ: don't say that! ;-) |
| 18:12:32 | scanline | is back (gone 07:14:41) |
| 18:12:36 | Neo|Work | they all suck. uhurm. :PP |
| 18:12:50 | kendrick2 | re |
| 18:12:52 | kendrick2 | so who won? :) |
| 18:12:57 | Neo|Work | hehe |
| 18:12:58 | warmi | epoCH: you are putting him in an akward position .. there are participant in this contest present on this chanel :-) |
| 18:13:10 | ep0ch | lol |
| 18:13:22 | mark | hopes the judging wont take as long this time |
| 18:13:44 | ep0ch | i should have entered a porno screen saver ;) |
| 18:13:48 | Neo|Work | JasonNJ: I suppose you probably can answer this: I take it there are significantly more than 50 submissions? |
| 18:14:04 | warmi | epoch: hehehe |
| 18:14:06 | Neo|Work | screensaver on a PDA. oh my |
| 18:14:51 | uwe | warmi: what about phalanx chess ? it is really coming soon ? ;-) |
| 18:15:04 | warmi | yeah, it is coming |
| 18:15:04 | ruely | i had a great screensaver for the ipaq |
| 18:15:05 | minnime | tkcjabber won hehe, most useful in my opinion |
| 18:15:13 | warmi | everythjing I said would come out eventually did :-) |
| 18:15:19 | mark | warmi: how soon? :) |
| 18:15:19 | warmi | so phalanx will as well :-) |
| 18:15:25 | ep0ch | jabber useful? even if you dont have wireless?? |
| 18:15:28 | warmi | 2 weeks |
| 18:15:44 | ruely | hardest to learn? tkcjabber :d |
| 18:15:55 | hunger | Very stupid question: How do I actually download something with opieftp? |
| 18:16:06 | warmi | hahahaha |
| 18:16:22 | warmi | does that qualify as a usability remark for that app ? |
| 18:16:32 | ruely | i like jabber after i figured it out with no docs |
| 18:16:42 | ruely | yes usability |
| 18:16:45 | bewmIES | heh |
| 18:16:50 | bewmIES | All of the tkc apps really need documentation. |
| 18:16:55 | ruely | i am using now |
| 18:17:02 | treke_ | yes. particularly kaptial |
| 18:17:09 | warmi | ruely: I meant opieftp |
| 18:17:11 | mark | tkcJabber would be cool if i had a wireless eth in my house |
| 18:17:11 | bewmIES | Well I'd rather have Kapital sync to the desktop version |
| 18:17:18 | bewmIES | Because that's the sole reason I bought the two. |
| 18:17:23 | ruely | yeah never heard of an app withou at least a readme |
| 18:18:02 | ruely | wireless is way to go. |
| 18:18:21 | warmi | Neo's Eligo has some very impressive documentations ... I refuse to believe theKompany could not produce some sort of help |
| 18:18:38 | ruely | can sit in living room with s.o. and still play |
| 18:18:47 | Neo|Work | they seem set to push out as many apps as they can in the shortest amount of time |
| 18:18:54 | Neo|Work | and writing docs isn't fun as we all know |
| 18:19:06 | warmi | ruely: it is too dangerous ... I am wasting way too much time on IRC as it is |
| 18:19:09 | Neo|Work | warmi: your demo feature is pretty kewl too btw |
| 18:19:11 | mark | i really really really hope the kompany win this contest |
| 18:19:27 | hunger | warmi: I guess nobody downloaded anything with opieftp now:-) |
| 18:19:33 | warmi | hehehe |
| 18:19:42 | ep0ch | can somone explain wireless to me please? |
| 18:19:48 | Neo|Work | mark: why? I personally would rather see some individual entity winning |
| 18:19:52 | warmi | ah .. lack of wire ? |
| 18:19:53 | kergoth | hunger: ping ljp, he wrote opieftp |
| 18:19:54 | ep0ch | do i need a wireless lan setting up at home to use it then? |
| 18:19:56 | Neo|Work | be it me or someone else... |
| 18:20:10 | ruely | the apps are good and well written but how can you not at least have something |
| 18:20:23 | hunger | kergoth: Too late now:-) |
| 18:20:31 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:20:32 | kergoth | oh well |
| 18:20:34 | warmi | Neo|Work: me too ... |
| 18:20:38 | mark | Neo|Work: god, i meant i hope they _dont_ win. hehe |
| 18:20:43 | kergoth | my cambells chunky soup was good |
| 18:20:45 | kergoth | :-) |
| 18:21:05 | Neo|Work | mark: heh. :P |
| 18:21:18 | ruely | ep0ch: yes more than likely unless you have a neighbor with one :p |
| 18:21:21 | warmi | in factr, I would go even further .. not some nameless "individual" but ... me |
| 18:21:36 | Neo|Work | warmi: well, make that me and we agree... :-)) |
| 18:21:44 | warmi | hehe |
| 18:21:53 | Neo|Work | JasonNJ: know if there will be a list published of the entries before the judging is done? |
| 18:21:56 | ep0ch | how much for a wireless hub then? (or whatever they're called) |
| 18:22:07 | ep0ch | i.e. transceiver |
| 18:22:08 | minnime | apple airport is cool |
| 18:22:17 | warmi | I think KOrganizer is a very strong contender |
| 18:22:27 | minnime | there is a java and windows configurator |
| 18:22:30 | ruely | WAPs are 130$ ish |
| 18:22:30 | JasonNJ | anyone know of a free imap server I can test a mail application with? |
| 18:22:45 | ep0ch | WAP standing for |
| 18:22:45 | ep0ch | ? |
| 18:22:55 | ruely | wireless access point |
| 18:22:59 | ep0ch | cheers |
| 18:23:15 | ruely | worth the money i think |
| 18:23:24 | Neo|Work | JasonNJ: any linux should come with an imap server you can install |
| 18:23:34 | minnime | http://linux.oreillynet.com/pub/a/linux/2002/04/11/enterprise.html |
| 18:23:42 | minnime | great site about wireless |
| 18:24:24 | ruely | i like linksys for hubs/waps easy to set up. |
| 18:24:45 | ruely | for people who want something to just work |
| 18:24:51 | bewmIES | Most distros ship with Cyrus IMAP or UW IMAP. |
| 18:25:10 | ep0ch | anyone have a picture of a Zaurus with a wireless card in it? |
| 18:25:11 | hunger | can I find out which files are in a .ipk? |
| 18:25:12 | ruely | pine comes with imap server too right |
| 18:25:22 | bewmIES | imap client IIRC |
| 18:25:30 | bewmIES | Same codebase as uw-imap, same c-lib, etc |
| 18:25:33 | hunger | ipkg segfaults for me, so I guess I need to remove konqueror by hand. |
| 18:26:36 | kergoth | ipkg is segfaulting? thats ugly |
| 18:26:38 | ruely | hunger: tar xvzf <file> then tar tvzf datafiles.tar.gz |
| 18:26:50 | hunger | ruely: Thanks a lot! |
| 18:27:01 | kergoth | its data.tar.gz |
| 18:27:04 | kergoth | but close :-) |
| 18:27:17 | ruely | no prob... oops :( |
| 18:27:36 | kergoth | mmm good soup |
| 18:28:13 | ruely | okay soup was good (y) |
| 18:28:17 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:29:04 | hunger | Wow, Konqueror is HUGE! |
| 18:29:08 | kergoth | yes it is |
| 18:29:12 | hunger | IIRC opera was half the site! |
| 18:29:20 | kergoth | yep |
| 18:29:31 | ruely | does konq do more |
| 18:29:39 | minnime | but awesome, i have the key html files from www.linuxdoc.org on my ipaq now with konq |
| 18:29:45 | kergoth | i prefer konq myself, now that it supports web page scaling |
| 18:29:51 | kendrick2 | konq does select/copy/paste |
| 18:29:57 | kendrick2 | multiple pages open at once |
| 18:30:02 | kendrick2 | two things sorely lacking in opera |
| 18:30:15 | kendrick2 | esp. opera's inability to highlight & copy text >:^( |
| 18:30:16 | hunger | ruely: I think it does less. Opera could read PDF, konq can't afaik. |
| 18:30:27 | kendrick2 | opera doesn't read PDF's very well |
| 18:30:28 | kergoth | hunger: bah, thats what opie-qpdf is for |
| 18:30:31 | kendrick2 | it's hella slow... QPDF is WAY better |
| 18:30:36 | kergoth | yeah that |
| 18:30:37 | kergoth | :-) |
| 18:30:39 | kendrick2 | and you can highlight blocks of text, just like XPDF |
| 18:30:42 | kendrick2 | it's AMAZING |
| 18:30:45 | kergoth | qpdf is nice |
| 18:30:50 | ruely | how about cookies and autologin |
| 18:31:01 | ruely | do they work ebtter |
| 18:31:04 | kendrick2 | pretty sure it does that.. cookies, ssl, etc. |
| 18:31:11 | ruely | better |
| 18:31:18 | hunger | kergoth: Which is broken:-) |
| 18:31:31 | kergoth | hunger: cvs isnt.. i'll do a new build in a few that fixes it |
| 18:31:34 | kergoth | hunger: just a packaging conflict atm |
| 18:31:48 | kergoth | :-) |
| 18:32:02 | kendrick2 | so is there tons of new software out for the zaurus today? :) |
| 18:32:05 | kendrick2 | checks the usual places |
| 18:32:27 | JasonNJ | kendrick2: madbomber is nice |
| 18:32:30 | JasonNJ | but man is it big |
| 18:32:48 | ruely | soup still good(y) kendrick: not that i saw |
| 18:33:15 | MrX | any freeware icq client for zaurus ? |
| 18:33:21 | kendrick2 | thx jason |
| 18:33:28 | ruely | nobody seems to care about new busybox i posted either |
| 18:33:34 | kergoth | new busybox? |
| 18:33:39 | kendrick2 | yeah... it'll be much smaller once i can load PNGs instead of BloatedMP's |
| 18:33:41 | minnime | is there gaim for QPE yet? |
| 18:33:45 | ruely | hoping it would get into pauls rom |
| 18:33:57 | kergoth | hunger: isnt that first line being red annoying in color ls? that just bugss me |
| 18:34:37 | kergoth | ruely: i dont think most realize the improvements in fairly recent versions of busybox.. |
| 18:34:46 | JasonNJ | minnime: kinkatta |
| 18:35:25 | ruely | i had pain getting it to compile on z but now i have traceroute and rpm support. |
| 18:35:37 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:35:43 | kergoth | yeah having traceroute is nice |
| 18:35:55 | kergoth | i love having color ls in busybox.. i hate plain file listings for some reason |
| 18:36:05 | bewmIES | having ^C from the console would be the perfect compliment :) |
| 18:36:13 | kergoth | bewmIES: no kidding! |
| 18:36:15 | ljp_ | kergoth: whatever you did with ncurses messed up emacs & lxt being able to use libncurses.so.4 liked to libncurses.so.5.2being |
| 18:36:20 | ruely | seen nm anywhere? |
| 18:36:21 | whardier | what the hell is beeping at me |
| 18:36:25 | hunger | kergoth: I'm not used to colorls anyway, so I don't care much. |
| 18:36:28 | ljp_ | on the updated opie-base |
| 18:36:33 | kergoth | ljp_: errr? i didnt change it.. |
| 18:36:43 | kergoth | ljp_: ncurses = ncurses package, not oz-base |
| 18:36:53 | kergoth | or opie-base |
| 18:36:55 | ljp_ | hmm |
| 18:38:10 | kergoth | ljp_: whats the behavior you're seeing? |
| 18:38:10 | ljp_ | I installed opie-base, and it created ncurses files in /usr/lib |
| 18:38:25 | kergoth | opie-base has nothing to do with anything outside of /opt/Qtopia |
| 18:38:38 | kergoth | opie-base installs libqpe.. |
| 18:38:43 | ljp_ | hmmmmm |
| 18:38:46 | kergoth | ipkg files opie-base; |
| 18:40:35 | kergoth | problems treke? |
| 18:41:25 | treke | other than mental? |
| 18:41:30 | kergoth | hah |
| 18:41:57 | ruely | which busy box has color? 0.60.2 doesnt |
| 18:42:06 | kergoth | ruely: latest cvs build |
| 18:42:17 | kergoth | ruely: fyi, its got a bug.. first item in a ls is always red.. lol |
| 18:42:46 | ruely | ahhh still be good to have |
| 18:43:03 | kergoth | yah |
| 18:44:13 | kendrick2 | i also got madbomber workin gon the Z |
| 18:45:04 | ruely | bill: did you compile it there? |
| 18:45:32 | ruely | on the z that is |
| 18:46:13 | kendrick2 | oh, no... on the desktop |
| 18:46:21 | kendrick2 | (i didnt realize i typed that here :) meant for another channel) |
| 18:47:08 | ruely | ah multi tasking |
| 18:48:39 | ruely | has anybody noticed weirdness with sf lists? |
| 18:49:28 | kergoth | ruely: crosscompilation = much faster than building on the Z itself :-) |
| 18:49:33 | kergoth | define 'weirdness' |
| 18:49:35 | ruely | i get stuff in random time order it seems... and delayed a lot |
| 18:49:37 | ljp_ | kergoth: could using busybox for sh be the reason why embeddedkonsole craps? |
| 18:49:56 | kergoth | ljp_: its possible... try installing bash from familiar and ln -s /bin/bash /bin/sh; |
| 18:50:27 | kergoth | ljp_: obviously it still doesnt handle unix98 ptys properly.. but who know why it fails when the ttyp & ptyp devices exist. its worth a shot |
| 18:50:28 | ruely | kergoth: true but i love building on the z untethered |
| 18:50:38 | ljp_ | I tried copying bash from Sharp rom.. but I get undefined symbols and qpe doesn't start |
| 18:50:55 | kergoth | hey Twiun |
| 18:51:07 | kergoth | ljp_: you get unresolved symbols in bash? ack |
| 18:51:27 | ljp_ | yes, from the Sharp rom |
| 18:51:30 | ruely | unless its static you will... |
| 18:51:57 | ruely | libs differ don,t they |
| 18:52:01 | kergoth | ruely: no... if its dynamic, it'll just link against my libc.. there should not be unresolved symbols in my libc.. |
| 18:52:23 | kergoth | if there is that drastic a difference between glibc versions, then its a problem that needs to be fixed |
| 18:52:23 | ljp_ | bash -V works tho |
| 18:52:32 | kergoth | -V? |
| 18:52:36 | ruely | you are brave :) |
| 18:52:40 | ljp_ | heh |
| 18:52:56 | ljp_ | shows options |
| 18:53:00 | kergoth | ah |
| 18:53:05 | kergoth | what symbols are undefined? |
| 18:53:14 | kergoth | remember i need to maintain binary compatibility |
| 18:53:14 | ruely | -V doesn,t do much |
| 18:53:30 | ljp_ | ya its a bogus command |
| 18:55:25 | ljp_ | error while loading shared libraries: sh: undefined symbol: __Udiv$i3 |
| 18:55:38 | kergoth | hmm |
| 18:55:59 | kergoth | ljp_: try bash from familiar, let me know the results |
| 18:56:21 | kergoth | what ver of libc is used in teh sharp roms i wonder |
| 18:56:45 | ljp_ | probably one they messed with themselves, and didn't release |
| 18:56:50 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:56:53 | | feed is a package repository or http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds or http://www.zauruszone.com/feed/ |
| 18:56:53 | ljp_ | ibot: feed |
| 18:56:55 | kergoth | so cynical.. |
| 18:56:56 | kergoth | :-P |
| 18:57:01 | | unstable feed is, like, at http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/feeds/unstable/packages/armv4l/ |
| 18:57:01 | kergoth | ibot: unstable feed? |
| 18:57:25 | NetAmp | heh |
| 18:57:33 | | I own seven-eighths of all the artists in downtown Burbank! |
| 18:57:33 | NetAmp | ibot: yow! |
| 18:57:50 | | Slashdot - Updated 2002-04-16 18:03:33 | Transmeta Powered High-End Portable? | 'Virtual' Child Porn Act Ruled Unconstitutional | Mods: "Lifeblood of Gaming Industry"? | Rare Earth |
| 18:57:50 | NetAmp | ibot: slashdot |
| 18:58:02 | NetAmp | hm... |
| 18:58:09 | NetAmp | News DOES get weirder each day... |
| 18:58:27 | kergoth | hah |
| 18:58:38 | NetAmp | (at least /. news does) |
| 18:59:15 | ruely | libc.2.2.2.so libc.6 doesn't tell much |
| 18:59:39 | Neo|Work | is away: mtg |
| 18:59:44 | bewmIES | Sharp uses glibc 2.2.2? |
| 18:59:55 | ruely | without nm can't do more |
| 19:00:07 | kergoth | hmm |
| 19:01:25 | ruely | if gcc is there like i have installed it is usr/mnt.rom/cf/lib/libstdc++-3-libc6.1-2-2.10.0.so /usr/mnt.rom/cf/lib/libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 |
| 19:02:04 | NetAmp | talkin' 'bout long filenames |
| 19:02:05 | NetAmp | heh |
| 19:02:28 | NetAmp | Windoze would die reading that |
| 19:03:05 | ruely | thats why we hate it:p |
| 19:03:51 | NetAmp | wahahaha |
| 19:04:07 | NetAmp | I'm running XP :P |
| 19:04:15 | kendrick2 | X^P |
| 19:04:19 | kendrick2 | it just looks awful |
| 19:04:20 | NetAmp | (well at the moment) |
| 19:04:22 | kendrick2 | hehehe |
| 19:04:48 | NetAmp | Yeah AWFUL that's why I *immediately* put it back to "classic" which seems bearable... |
| 19:04:56 | NetAmp | for some reason sound is instable I guess... |
| 19:05:10 | NetAmp | stuupid driver |
| 19:05:13 | kendrick2 | no, i mean the letters "XP"... looks like someone puking up :) |
| 19:05:19 | NetAmp | oh! haha |
| 19:05:21 | NetAmp | yeah |
| 19:05:25 | kendrick2 | :^) >:^( X^P |
| 19:05:25 | NetAmp | AND |
| 19:05:27 | NetAmp | you know what? |
| 19:05:32 | kendrick2 | what do i know? |
| 19:05:39 | NetAmp | a lot I guess? :P |
| 19:05:41 | NetAmp | It doesn't like the Athlon XP! |
| 19:05:45 | NetAmp | Even though it's called XP |
| 19:05:46 | kendrick2 | hahaha |
| 19:06:10 | NetAmp | I had to switch CPU's with a 'normal' AMD Athlon and then switch back after install |
| 19:06:16 | NetAmp | that's pretty weird |
| 19:06:41 | ljp_ | same error with fam bash |
| 19:06:55 | NetAmp | 'd like to use an Athlon XP in a Z, though that would probably mean carrying a car battery around |
| 19:07:12 | NetAmp | (at least) |
| 19:07:53 | Twiun | kergoth: Heya ;-) Sorry, was catching up on zaurus-java emails |
| 19:08:00 | kergoth | np :-) |
| 19:08:40 | benmeyer | Anyone want to develop gps drivers for a gps card. Free card involved |
| 19:08:41 | benmeyer | :) |
| 19:08:42 | ljp_ | thinks theres a lot missing from busybox sh |
| 19:08:43 | Twiun | Any rumours about java stuff in OZ3+? |
| 19:10:13 | NetAmp | if it'd involve instantly learning C ;) |
| 19:10:44 | warmi | hehee |
| 19:10:46 | NetAmp | 's kinda too lazy to learn C atm, I guess Java is the cause |
| 19:10:52 | NetAmp | Java's 3v1L |
| 19:10:57 | warmi | NetAmp: I thought you were into Java |
| 19:11:14 | kergoth | benmeyer: if i had any time, i'd do it. |
| 19:11:15 | NetAmp | Yeah kinda... but only because I had to learn it in college ;) |
| 19:11:24 | uwe | warmi: do you plan a gui frontend for phalanx ? |
| 19:11:27 | Twiun | warmi: It's still evil though ;-) |
| 19:11:36 | kergoth | ljp_: hmmm wtf is with that symbol.. |
| 19:11:38 | ljp_ | kergoth: theory: busybox is a POS for sjell and can't handle embeddedkonsole |
| 19:11:46 | kergoth | hah |
| 19:11:48 | NetAmp | I kinda like part of it... but, yeah, it's still evil ;) |
| 19:12:02 | warmi | uwe: I have it already mostly working http://www.warmi.net/images/phalanx.png |
| 19:12:20 | Twiun | Especially when used in <Company name witheld> ;-) |
| 19:12:22 | warmi | it is not a frontend but sort of "built in" frontned |
| 19:12:24 | Twiun | grins |
| 19:12:35 | NetAmp | warmi: hey that's cool :) |
| 19:12:55 | warmi | yeah, Z needs some serious chess software |
| 19:13:10 | NetAmp | don't make it too hard |
| 19:13:16 | warmi | not to take away from the Java chess but phalanx is a very strong program |
| 19:13:20 | uwe | warmi: nice look ! [true chess is needed!] |
| 19:13:21 | kergoth | ljp_: bash is built into the buildsystem. i'll generate you a bash package that'll actually work |
| 19:13:32 | NetAmp | not that I really mind losing, but it takes more CPU power (so bat. power) ;) |
| 19:13:43 | Twiun | Hehehe |
| 19:13:55 | warmi | from what I understand .. phalanx can readily kick your butt unless you are professional player |
| 19:14:01 | NetAmp | ouch |
| 19:14:14 | ruely | haha netamp good one(y) |
| 19:14:17 | ljp_ | kergoth: ok.. thanks |
| 19:14:27 | NetAmp | ruely: ;) |
| 19:14:30 | warmi | hehehe |
| 19:14:41 | ljp_ | bbl |
| 19:14:44 | uwe | warmi: i compiled phalanx for mips (agenda vr3) - it has nearly the same api as gnuchess, crafty, ... all these xboard engines... |
| 19:14:45 | warmi | it will have variable dificulty settings |
| 19:14:52 | NetAmp | well... that sucks! Getting your butt kicked by a piece of software on such a small device ;) |
| 19:14:59 | warmi | uwe: but I don't like xboard |
| 19:15:05 | warmi | that's why I am writing my own |
| 19:15:17 | ruely | none of my programs will use the cpu for that reason :$ |
| 19:15:27 | uwe | warmi: don't want xboard - want different chess engines behind ! |
| 19:15:52 | NetAmp | I'll do one on in Java then |
| 19:15:58 | NetAmp | (will only take me like a year or so ;) |
| 19:16:10 | warmi | yeah, I am serious .. if you want to make better xboard then do it |
| 19:16:31 | mark | warmi: are you not porting phaylynx or whatever it is? |
| 19:16:38 | warmi | my goal here is to make phalanx specific ( and thus using phalanx specific features) board |
| 19:16:38 | scanline | is away: buying a new switch and some mountain dew |
| 19:17:01 | warmi | phalanx: does't need to be ported .. but gui and general framework needs to be added |
| 19:17:04 | NetAmp | remembers he should buy a new router |
| 19:17:11 | mark | warmi: oh right |
| 19:17:12 | NetAmp | (+swith+fw) |
| 19:17:20 | warmi | anyway, seriously netAmp: that would a great project for you |
| 19:17:21 | mark | msmax: shouldn't be ircing as root :) |
| 19:17:28 | warmi | java based , much better looking xboard |
| 19:17:37 | ruely | linksys == good |
| 19:17:39 | msmax | mark: i use NAT |
| 19:17:53 | mark | msmax: fair enough then :) |
| 19:17:56 | NetAmp | warmi: *lol* well I'm not that good a chess player ;) I wonder if I even remember all the rules heh |
| 19:18:16 | NetAmp | I guess you should be quite good a player yourself to program a decent engine... |
| 19:18:35 | warmi | no, I am not talking about engine |
| 19:18:36 | kergoth | i look forward to phalanx on the z |
| 19:18:41 | kergoth | i need a chess game |
| 19:18:51 | NetAmp | warmi: oh the GUI stuff? |
| 19:18:59 | uwe | warmi: if you look for different tile sets: http://members.cheese.at/woody/ |
| 19:19:04 | warmi | kergoth: wasnt't that you who got his ass kicked by KCheckers ... ? |
| 19:19:08 | warmi | lol |
| 19:19:11 | kendrick2 | too |
| 19:19:12 | NetAmp | probably... I think Java's pretty slow at graphics... should look into that |
| 19:19:13 | kendrick2 | i suck at checkers |
| 19:19:15 | kergoth | warmi: lol.. i'm far far better at chess than checkers :-) |
| 19:19:20 | kergoth | strangely enough |
| 19:19:21 | mark | me too |
| 19:19:35 | kergoth | despite if being a much simpler game |
| 19:19:37 | kergoth | kinda odd |
| 19:19:49 | ruely | yeah me to... more reasons for s.o to complain about time in my computers:( |
| 19:19:59 | kergoth | warmi: we should switch kcheckers in opie to zcheckers :-) |
| 19:20:06 | NetAmp | heh |
| 19:20:09 | warmi | uwe: thanks .. have two different tile sets + customizable color set .. |
| 19:20:12 | NetAmp | pingicheckers |
| 19:20:21 | warmi | and I also have 8 different pieces sets |
| 19:20:28 | uwe | ohohoh |
| 19:20:29 | NetAmp | or kwackers |
| 19:20:48 | warmi | I used freely available ttf chess fonts for that |
| 19:20:56 | warmi | have them rendered in the truespace .. |
| 19:20:57 | NetAmp | no that'd be a better title for a 'mole whacking' game I guess... |
| 19:21:01 | warmi | looks cool |
| 19:21:25 | uwe | warmi: do you have pics of that, too ? |
| 19:21:26 | NetAmp | Truespace? whoa |
| 19:21:27 | warmi | kergoth: feel free to use zcheckers whatever way you want .. it is gpled |
| 19:21:49 | warmi | uwe: no , I do not ... I will make them available later on when I am at home and have acces to my stuff |
| 19:22:52 | warmi | actually, the board itself is not composed of individual tiles .. |
| 19:23:05 | warmi | it is actually prerendered board in one piece :-) |
| 19:23:09 | kergoth | warmi: yep, i know it iis.. but I never include an app in opie without checking with the maintainer. just my policy. |
| 19:23:09 | NetAmp | heh |
| 19:23:50 | warmi | hell, you can even include Puzz-le as long as you don't repost opie version on handango :-) |
| 19:23:57 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:24:02 | warmi | ( I am talking about full version puzz-le) |
| 19:24:16 | kergoth | k :-) |
| 19:24:26 | warmi | you can download the source code .. it is BSD -style licensed |
| 19:24:28 | uwe | warmi: have you tried the bad playing javachess ? |
| 19:24:38 | warmi | phalanx will be GPLed since that is the original license |
| 19:24:58 | warmi | uwe:no , I haven't but I have heard from other people that is not that strong |
| 19:25:11 | warmi | it is not bad .. its just not very strong |
| 19:25:51 | uwe | it's bad. it doesn't recognize each chess ! moves other pieces instead... |
| 19:26:02 | warmi | btw.. so that everyone understands .. phalanx was not written by my .. I have no idea how to write chess program ( or rather how to write evaluation function for alpha-beta ) |
| 19:26:30 | ruely | i have a freind who is teaching his kid with java version. good for tha |
| 19:26:37 | uwe | i know. phalanx hat book openings and can learn. |
| 19:26:44 | warmi | uwe: yep |
| 19:27:00 | warmi | I am gonna include default book which is about 200 K |
| 19:27:12 | uwe | warmi: isn't puzz-le sth. like vexed on palm ? |
| 19:27:13 | warmi | but people can download and use other books as well |
| 19:27:36 | warmi | uwe: yeah, vexed with various enhancements ( actually it was more based on BRIX .. older PC game) |
| 19:28:06 | warmi | it has moving platforms, trap doors, fire pits etc .. |
| 19:28:07 | Neo|Work | is back (gone 00:28:28) |
| 19:28:11 | uwe | warmi: yes ! brix - i nearly remember. |
| 19:28:27 | kendrick2 | i have a game for my atari 8-bit somewhere that's like vexed |
| 19:28:29 | kendrick2 | from the early 90s |
| 19:28:34 | warmi | yeah |
| 19:28:37 | kendrick2 | it had cool digitized music and sfx :) |
| 19:28:37 | NetAmp | we're going retro people, yeehaw |
| 19:28:45 | kendrick2 | every time you made a match: "Aww yeah!" |
| 19:28:51 | warmi | I always wanted to make game like that and finally got around doing it for the Z |
| 19:29:47 | warmi | uwe: I understand you are into chess big time , right ? |
| 19:30:05 | ruely | warmi: how did you learn how. games == mystery to me programming wise |
| 19:30:21 | uwe | warmi: so i don't understand why a guy is starting a vexed project on http://developer.zaurus.de/projects.php/qpexed/ |
| 19:30:36 | warmi | ruely: I used to program games for 8 bit machines and later for Amiga Commodore |
| 19:30:44 | uwe | warmi: right. i've played chess from school on. |
| 19:30:47 | NetAmp | ruely: same here ;) |
| 19:31:01 | warmi | weimer: he is doing vexed clone .. |
| 19:31:06 | ruely | any tips? |
| 19:31:07 | uwe | warmi: which 8bit machines ? |
| 19:31:16 | NetAmp | Once I tried to do a Worms clone in Turbo Pascal from scratch but it sucked pretty much |
| 19:31:17 | warmi | my game is vexed like ... it cannot accept levels from vexed |
| 19:31:25 | NetAmp | oh well I like liro/NiL better ;) |
| 19:31:27 | tux_mike | warmi: you hear the big game? 325 :) |
| 19:31:45 | warmi | ha .. tux: my wife is going to be one ticket .... just one !! |
| 19:31:49 | warmi | :-) |
| 19:31:59 | tux_mike | i got one |
| 19:32:03 | hunger | I still don't get why scp does not find libz on the Z. |
| 19:32:15 | tux_mike | hopefully i can get may airplane with this ticket! :) |
| 19:32:33 | warmi | tux_mike: I am about to talk to the guy |
| 19:32:39 | warmi | I will let you know in like 20 minutes |
| 19:32:58 | tux_mike | warmi: cool |
| 19:33:03 | warmi | uwe: I worked with Atari Xl/XE ... C-64 and ZX Spectrum as well as MSX machines |
| 19:33:13 | mark | which sounds better -- www.houseoffish.uk.com or www.houseoffish.biz? |
| 19:33:21 | warmi | biz |
| 19:33:29 | ruely | biz |
| 19:33:35 | hunger | Oh, inetd is not installed:-( |
| 19:33:37 | NetAmp | heh, I used an MSX for a while, still have a MSX2 emu for DOS ;-) |
| 19:33:46 | tux_mike | it'd kinda suck though, if i won the big game, i'd have to tell you that i don't need the job anymore ;) (like that's gonna happen :) |
| 19:33:52 | warmi | NetAmp: I used to have Phillips VG-something |
| 19:33:59 | tux_mike | houseoffish? |
| 19:34:02 | warmi | tux_mike: hehehe |
| 19:34:08 | NetAmp | whoa... Philips is WAY back... I'm from '81 ;) |
| 19:34:19 | warmi | if you win you are obligated to buy everyone here new shiny 5500 |
| 19:34:26 | tux_mike | warmi: what the hell :) |
| 19:34:27 | mark | warmi, ruely: /me adds .biz to his basket |
| 19:34:28 | NetAmp | yeah yeah gimme 55 |
| 19:34:39 | warmi | hehe |
| 19:34:41 | ruely | yeah and a beer |
| 19:34:43 | tux_mike | if i won, i could buy a whole crate :) |
| 19:34:49 | mark | tux_mike: yep, houseoffish ;). oh, and yeh, a 5500 would be nice when you win |
| 19:35:33 | ruely | make it a kegger :) |
| 19:35:43 | NetAmp | I hope they don't REALLY expect me to go pay 700 EUR for a 5500 |
| 19:35:45 | NetAmp | heh |
| 19:35:48 | bewmIES | gives OPN the finger |
| 19:35:58 | NetAmp | I could get an iPAQ for that easily ;) |
| 19:36:17 | NetAmp | with the lovely PocketPC 2002 OS |
| 19:36:20 | NetAmp | :P |
| 19:36:21 | ruely | gaaakkkk not an ipaq blahhhh |
| 19:36:41 | ruely | :'( |
| 19:38:08 | NetAmp | nah... I refuse to buy PPC2K2 ;) |
| 19:38:28 | NetAmp | It's just not politically, morally nor ethically correct |
| 19:39:12 | ruely | plus it suxs... |
| 19:40:37 | NetAmp | wahah |
| 19:40:45 | uwe | warmi: tell me more why you decide for phalanx and not for crafty e.g. |
| 19:41:20 | minnime | i am running and ipaq with familiar and QPE, and just like a zaurus and cheaper : |
| 19:41:32 | warmi | I like phalanx more ... it compiled and worked cleanly on my Win2000 box which I use sometimes to do my programming |
| 19:41:34 | NetAmp | minnime: heh ;) |
| 19:42:13 | Neo|Work | minnime: cool you have a builtin in keyboard ? |
| 19:42:28 | NetAmp | hah |
| 19:42:32 | ruely | hehehehehe good one neo |
| 19:42:40 | NetAmp | go Ne0 |
| 19:42:43 | minnime | no :( i had to pay $50 to add that but familiar supports it, i have kaffe as a jvm |
| 19:42:54 | ruely | haw about sd ? |
| 19:43:00 | NetAmp | well Kaffe is better... |
| 19:43:10 | NetAmp | (so I've hear ;) |
| 19:43:12 | hunger | kergoth: When you do the next ssh ipk, please leave out /etc/moduli. I think that's rather specific to your needs. |
| 19:43:19 | kergoth | hunger: i didnt do ssh |
| 19:43:32 | kergoth | hunger: the ssh packages are from familiar directly |
| 19:43:45 | kergoth | hunger: i can create ssh packages if need be.. if theirs dont suffice |
| 19:44:35 | hunger | kergoth: They are horribly broken for me. At least scp is totally broken. |
| 19:44:39 | mark | kergoth: the ssh package could do with including /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 19:44:40 | kergoth | k |
| 19:44:51 | kergoth | i'll add ssh/sshd to the buildsystem when i get a chance |
| 19:44:59 | mark | kergoth: and if the postinstall ran the keygen it'd be nice |
| 19:45:05 | kergoth | are libcrypto and libssl from familiar okay? i'd like to avoid wasting time adding shit to the system |
| 19:45:13 | Vlade | i want to flash my 5500 to OZ, but if i dont like it ... how can I go back to the Sharp sw? |
| 19:45:24 | hunger | kergoth: I did not notice any problem with those so far. |
| 19:45:26 | kergoth | mark: you need to understand, adding this to the build process involves looking at its buildsystem to figure out how to crosscompile it... fun fun |
| 19:45:28 | kendrick2 | i wish i could poke my zaurus over the LAN and wake it up |
| 19:45:29 | kergoth | hunger: k |
| 19:45:31 | kendrick2 | so i can ssh in and stuff ;) |
| 19:45:31 | NetAmp | Vlade: back it up :) |
| 19:45:35 | kendrick2 | and use VNC |
| 19:45:38 | hunger | Vlade: read out your rom. |
| 19:45:39 | Neo|Work | NetAmp: you can'y back it up |
| 19:45:40 | mark | kergoth: yep, i know, im just throwing thoughts at ya |
| 19:45:47 | kergoth | mark: good ideas tho |
| 19:45:49 | Vlade | hunger, how? |
| 19:45:51 | Neo|Work | there is no ROM backup |
| 19:45:55 | Neo|Work | ...possible... |
| 19:45:59 | Neo|Work | so don't listen to them |
| 19:46:00 | ruely | just flassharps |
| 19:46:10 | NetAmp | Neo|Work: huh? ow... hm that sux |
| 19:46:10 | hunger | Vlade: let me check... I forgot how I did it:-) |
| 19:46:10 | kergoth | mark: i wouldnt want postinst to gen a key if i install it into the rom at build time |
| 19:46:15 | Neo|Work | you CAN'T go back today since, I believe, sharp doesn't have ROM's for the 5500 released |
| 19:46:21 | kergoth | mark: otherwise anyone with oz3 would have the same host key. lol |
| 19:46:26 | mark | kergoth: heh, that'd be great |
| 19:46:38 | mark | kergoth: alright, well have it int he first boot up scripts or whatever |
| 19:46:42 | hunger | Neo|Work: I read out my ROM. |
| 19:46:43 | Vlade | yeah, i didnt see any |
| 19:46:47 | kergoth | mark: hehe. the postinst scripts get run at ipkg installtime.. so if i use ipkg to install into the rom.... |
| 19:47:07 | Neo|Work | hunger: doesn't work. you can get initrd.bin but you won't get a flashable rom image |
| 19:47:10 | kergoth | hunger: you got all of the mtdrom device right? |
| 19:47:11 | Neo|Work | unless you hacked up some other way |
| 19:47:23 | kergoth | Neo|Work: actually, i think he's correct. i believe the mtdrom device consists of the entire romimage |
| 19:47:30 | kergoth | Neo|Work: i think i was incorrect the other day |
| 19:47:34 | minnime | to me if you want to play by an ipaq with familar, if you want a stable handheld and don't want to mess with stuff, get a zaurus. just my opinion (anyone agree or disagree?) |
| 19:47:34 | NetAmp | dd it |
| 19:47:35 | NetAmp | ? |
| 19:47:39 | kergoth | NetAmp: yup |
| 19:47:44 | Neo|Work | kergoth: people on the list have tried and didn't succeed. but perhaps they only did the fs, I don't know |
| 19:47:50 | Neo|Work | tried and compared and it didn't match I should say |
| 19:47:58 | kergoth | hmm |
| 19:48:03 | kergoth | wonder if lineo fucked it up |
| 19:48:05 | hunger | Neo|Work: I did this: dd -if=/dev/mmcda -of=romimage.bin -bs=1024 |
| 19:48:12 | kergoth | hunger: mmcda? |
| 19:48:20 | kergoth | hunger: mmcda is the sd device, that wouldnt do it |
| 19:48:20 | Neo|Work | i.e got q 16 MB image but it wasn't the rom image |
| 19:48:24 | NetAmp | minnime: yah I agree... that's why I want a Z ;) |
| 19:48:49 | kergoth | Neo|Work: that sucks.. wtf.. it works fine for the 5000d.. .dd'ing and then flashing i mean |
| 19:48:50 | hunger | kergoth: Well, ruin my sense of security, will you? |
| 19:48:55 | Vlade | so is there a way or not? |
| 19:48:59 | kergoth | hunger: lol.. mtdblock0 iirc is the device |
| 19:49:11 | kergoth | Vlade: in theory yes. . has anyone succeeded at returning to the old version, no |
| 19:49:26 | Vlade | but they have tried? |
| 19:49:46 | kergoth | Vlade: neo says they've tried. if i had a 5500, i'd test for you |
| 19:49:55 | kergoth | Vlade: says they've tried and failed... |
| 19:50:01 | kergoth | hopefully sharp will make the image available |
| 19:50:05 | kergoth | benmeyer: ping |
| 19:50:14 | Vlade | ok |
| 19:50:22 | NetAmp | Oh well... what is there to not like about OZ anyway? ;) |
| 19:50:33 | NetAmp | (just advertising a bit :P) |
| 19:50:37 | kergoth | NetAmp: how about not having nearly the functionality of the sharp roms? :-P |
| 19:50:40 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:50:48 | kergoth | *yet* |
| 19:50:51 | kergoth | ;-) |
| 19:50:53 | Vlade | isnt it buggy? |
| 19:51:04 | hunger | Vlade: I did not flash the 'backup' I made, but the sice is OK and the first few bytes looked OK. |
| 19:51:05 | NetAmp | well, ok... BUT you get the Pingizauru logo! |
| 19:51:08 | kergoth | Vlade: yes, and lacking functionality. its rapidly approaching the usable state |
| 19:51:09 | NetAmp | ;) |
| 19:51:15 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:51:19 | Vlade | k, ty |
| 19:51:30 | hunger | Vlade: Don't let kergoth fool you;-) |
| 19:51:33 | Neo|Work | I just say what I see on the list |
| 19:51:48 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:51:52 | hunger | How do I do ^C on the console again? |
| 19:51:57 | kergoth | hunger: you dont |
| 19:52:00 | NetAmp | hah |
| 19:52:01 | kergoth | hunger: annoying, huh? |
| 19:52:09 | | faq is at http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/zaurus-faq/ or at http://www.handhelds.org/handhelds-faq/handhelds-faq.html |
| 19:52:09 | NetAmp | ibot: faq |
| 19:52:20 | hunger | kergoth: Great... have to reset then:-( |
| 19:52:24 | kergoth | you cant ^C from console.. only from embeddedkonsole in qtopia/opie |
| 19:52:31 | kergoth | hunger: yeah just a soft reset.. reboot the unit |
| 19:54:23 | kergoth | 14 people have downloaded beta3... damn |
| 19:55:27 | kergoth | mark: expect a new kernel modules package that contains the usb modules shortly |
| 19:55:28 | NetAmp | :) |
| 19:55:40 | ljp_ | groovey |
| 19:55:59 | kergoth | then as long as usbdmonitor is in /etc/modules... theres a good chance we can make this shit work |
| 19:56:01 | kergoth | ;-) |
| 19:56:08 | mark | kergoth: cool |
| 19:56:09 | hunger | kergoth: Arg! That ruined all my config files. |
| 19:56:30 | kergoth | hunger: not being able to ^c did? fyi you cant ^c from a sharp rom console either. |
| 19:56:39 | kergoth | should look into how we can make ^c work from console.. hm |
| 19:56:46 | hunger | kergoth: The softrest did. |
| 19:57:02 | NetAmp | Is there also a better battery meter app or is it a hardware limitation that there are just a few levels? |
| 19:57:02 | kergoth | yeah, shutting off a unix machine without doing a proper shutdown isnt fun |
| 19:57:05 | hunger | kergoth: So indirectly non being able to ^C did. |
| 19:57:10 | kergoth | hunger: that sucks |
| 19:57:12 | mark | kergoth: have you got a hotplug hack in place yet? |
| 19:57:25 | kergoth | mark: hotplug is in place now.. its just its startup script doesnt do anything |
| 19:57:38 | kergoth | mark: but i think once we have the modules, it may very well work right now the way it is |
| 19:57:45 | kergoth | mark: i need to test it |
| 19:58:09 | killefiz | a quick license question: you need the purchase a commercial license from TT to distribute an application bsd-licensed - is that correct? |
| 19:58:14 | uwe | warmi_away: have to leave... do you think your chess prog is ready in less ore more than 2 weeks ;-) |
| 19:58:30 | kergoth | killefiz: yes. the infectious gpl licensed libqpe would nail your app |
| 19:59:03 | mark | killefiz: just what i asked ;) |
| 19:59:13 | killefiz | kergoth: you work for mircosoft? ;) |
| 19:59:25 | kergoth | killefiz: remember, contest members got free commercial licenses.... |
| 19:59:27 | kergoth | killefiz: haha |
| 19:59:29 | kergoth | ew |
| 19:59:31 | kergoth | :-P |
| 20:00:07 | killefiz | yeah ... i was asking because there are two apps that have bsd-licenses in the software index |
| 20:00:20 | killefiz | but they are puzzle and alphaclock from warmi and catalin |
| 20:00:22 | mark | bsd licence rocks - i can sell my app without feeling guilty about it not being open source :) |
| 20:00:24 | kergoth | ah :-) |
| 20:00:35 | killefiz | both have been in the contest |
| 20:00:38 | kergoth | yep |
| 20:00:48 | killefiz | mark: i prefer gpl but i also prefer not to fight about that here ;) |
| 20:00:52 | kergoth | if anyone without a commercial licenses releases a bsd app they'd be in violation of the gpl |
| 20:01:12 | killefiz | that's the only way tt can make some money |
| 20:01:27 | kergoth | heh. they make money off their deal with sharp, i'm sure |
| 20:01:51 | killefiz | but sharp is not using the gpl'd version? |
| 20:01:57 | mark | killefiz: GPL is horrible imo, but i agree, lets not argue :) |
| 20:02:06 | kergoth | mark, hunger, ljp_: grab kernel-modules_2.4.6-rmk1-np2-embedix-20011228_arm.ipk off the feed |
| 20:02:18 | | rumour has it feed is a package repository or http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds or http://www.zauruszone.com/feed/ |
| 20:02:18 | mark | ibot feed |
| 20:02:22 | kergoth | killefiz: hmmm? sharp is putting their graphical env on every unit. that must result in some form of payment |
| 20:02:26 | | hmmm... oz3 feed is at http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/feeds/3.0/ |
| 20:02:26 | kergoth | ibot: oz3 feed? |
| 20:02:27 | | mark: sorry... |
| 20:02:27 | mark | ibot: not _that_ feed |
| 20:02:29 | mark | :) |
| 20:02:43 | bewmIES | Somebody needs to maintai a page with links to all these different feeds |
| 20:02:48 | | okay, kergoth. |
| 20:02:48 | kergoth | ibot feed is also http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/ for OpenZaurus |
| 20:02:58 | bewmIES | Would be nice, maybe I'll do one up real quick later tonight |
| 20:03:00 | minnime | i think it is good there are alt. license methods, choice is goodand that is all that matters, sorry i had to get that out of my system :) |
| 20:03:00 | mark | kergoth: one k? |
| 20:03:01 | killefiz | kergoth: sure ... that's what i mean. sharp must have licensed it und other terms than gpl |
| 20:03:04 | kergoth | bewmIES: good idea.. there used to be something like that on the iPKG entry in the handhelds wiki.. but thats for ipaq stuff not Z |
| 20:03:08 | kergoth | killefiz: yeah, certainly |
| 20:03:11 | bewmIES | Yeah |
| 20:03:12 | kergoth | mark: ? |
| 20:03:16 | bewmIES | I don't care about iPaq stuff ;) |
| 20:03:19 | NetAmp | maybe post 'em on zaurus@LL |
| 20:03:20 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:03:28 | mark | kernel-modules_2.4.6..> 16-Apr-2002 13:04 1k |
| 20:03:31 | bewmIES | I'll make a "Red Headed Stepchild" section for links to iPkg feeds |
| 20:03:37 | killefiz | a more z-user question: what do you about the horrible battery life of you z's |
| 20:03:39 | kergoth | mark: ack! oops |
| 20:03:40 | bewmIES | s/Pkg/Paq/ |
| 20:03:50 | mark | killefiz: buy a new battery? |
| 20:03:57 | mark | killefiz: walk around with a portable generator? |
| 20:04:01 | mark | killefiz: buy solar cells? |
| 20:04:04 | NetAmp | just take a car battery with you |
| 20:04:28 | kergoth | bewmIES: hah |
| 20:04:31 | killefiz | yeah ... but I don't like wo run around with a handheld plus the batteries, plus two more cf-cards, plus plus plus |
| 20:04:40 | NetAmp | Or mod the Z so it can use fuel cells ;) |
| 20:04:50 | kergoth | i need a good screencover for the Z |
| 20:04:50 | mark | yeh, 'hydrogen in' |
| 20:04:50 | kergoth | recommendations? |
| 20:04:56 | kergoth | NetAmp: thatd rock :-) |
| 20:05:19 | NetAmp | I'm sure I'm immediately gonna get a screen protector as soon as I get a Z |
| 20:05:35 | kergoth | so have any hardware inclined fellows ever managed to remove those damned dust particles that get IN the screen? |
| 20:05:37 | NetAmp | and a box of anti-static cloths ;) |
| 20:05:42 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:05:55 | warmi | tux_mike: are you around ? |
| 20:06:24 | NetAmp | I think those should help (for a while)? the Monitor/TV screen like anti-dust thingies |
| 20:06:27 | warmi | uwe: I will finish it in 2 maybe at most 3 weeks |
| 20:06:43 | NetAmp | my Casio organizer also has dust in the screen... it sux :S |
| 20:07:04 | kergoth | you know, it doesnt SEEM like itd be that difficult to prevent |
| 20:07:06 | kergoth | apparently it is tho |
| 20:07:07 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:07:21 | NetAmp | indeed... they could just vacuum it ;) |
| 20:07:45 | NetAmp | or CLOSE the thing so dust doesn't stand a chance |
| 20:08:18 | NetAmp | Do iPAQs have that problem? |
| 20:08:26 | kergoth | yeah |
| 20:09:06 | NetAmp | wab Palms? I played a bit with my colleague's m100 and it didn't seem to be dusty at all |
| 20:09:22 | NetAmp | or maybe he just keeps it so clean... |
| 20:11:13 | tux_mike | can only do one thing at a time with that cgi irc? |
| 20:11:13 | warmi | uwe: are you still there ? |
| 20:11:42 | warmi | tux_mike: no .. I can do prviate as well but I couldn't figure out how to switch back to the main channel :-) |
| 20:12:00 | BigBoss | anything interesting? |
| 20:12:07 | tux_mike | warmi: ah, just like i can't figure out how to unignore someone, so i just quit :) |
| 20:12:14 | tux_mike | BigBoss: not really |
| 20:12:28 | bewmIES | /ignore <nick> NONE |
| 20:12:42 | warmi | heheh .. I have no problems with standard IRC .. just this client and I am forced to use it because of the corporate firewal |
| 20:12:54 | NetAmp | warmi: /query? |
| 20:13:01 | tux_mike | benmeyer: but it did hostmask, and i couldn't put it in (even exactly as it was listed) |
| 20:13:11 | tux_mike | s/benmeyer/bewmIES |
| 20:13:14 | warmi | NetAmp: I am using cgi ... web based client |
| 20:13:25 | bewmIES | Okay, then that's bad :) |
| 20:13:26 | kergoth | warmi: why not bounce your connections through a web proxy? |
| 20:13:28 | kergoth | :-) |
| 20:13:32 | bewmIES | Why coudlnt' you type the hostmask? |
| 20:13:50 | tux_mike | i tried, it said ... not on ignorance list |
| 20:14:00 | Neo|Work | is away: afk for a while |
| 20:14:04 | kergoth | ignorance list |
| 20:14:05 | kergoth | lol |
| 20:14:05 | gash | damn this spider modem from sharpmobile is slow++ |
| 20:14:14 | tux_mike | quit, deleted cache files, went back on |
| 20:14:31 | NetAmp | warmi: yeah but doesn't that work like in BitchX for example? |
| 20:14:34 | kergoth | i have a ignorance list alright.. it consists of everyone I know who's ignorant |
| 20:14:37 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:15:01 | tux_mike | kergoth: mine's pretty big |
| 20:15:06 | NetAmp | we're gonna get iMode, I wonder how slow that'll be... |
| 20:15:06 | kergoth | mine too |
| 20:15:11 | kergoth | i work in support remember |
| 20:15:13 | kergoth | :-P |
| 20:15:18 | NetAmp | (where 'we' == Holland) |
| 20:15:20 | tux_mike | kergoth: i used to, remember |
| 20:15:23 | warmi | NetAmp: yeah .. but I never used bitchx |
| 20:15:26 | kergoth | i know :-) |
| 20:15:31 | NetAmp | warmi: heh OK ;) |
| 20:15:31 | hunger | gash: Is slow++ faster or slower then plain slow? |
| 20:16:00 | warmi | on Linux I tend to use either xchart or kvirc |
| 20:16:04 | warmi | xchat, that is |
| 20:16:11 | tux_mike | kergoth: i have to see if i can get you a copy of the CDW "Fred" book |
| 20:16:28 | kergoth | heheh |
| 20:16:39 | kergoth | damnit, this kernel build wont create an ipk that contains anything |
| 20:16:40 | kergoth | its 1k |
| 20:16:43 | kergoth | stupid thing |
| 20:17:01 | tux_mike | kergoth: try kicking it |
| 20:17:03 | extremis | is 1.13 the latest rom for sl5000? |
| 20:17:09 | kergoth | yeah |
| 20:17:11 | tux_mike | kergoth: i think i'm gonna stick with gvim |
| 20:17:11 | kergoth | kicks make |
| 20:17:16 | kergoth | tux_mike: really?... |
| 20:17:25 | extremis | same rom which runs on teh 5500? |
| 20:17:29 | tux_mike | yah, the only font i can use in kvim is fixed. i hate that font |
| 20:17:40 | kergoth | well wtf |
| 20:17:50 | kergoth | i still vote for a qtopia port of kvim :-) |
| 20:17:58 | hunger | extremis: I think not. |
| 20:17:59 | tux_mike | it don't work right with AA fonts |
| 20:18:06 | kergoth | well we'd have to fix it then |
| 20:18:08 | kergoth | :-P |
| 20:18:09 | tux_mike | and i'm not about to turn that off |
| 20:18:18 | kergoth | afk, caffeine run |
| 20:18:21 | tux_mike | woot |
| 20:18:23 | minnime | i second the kvim |
| 20:18:40 | NetAmp | hm... caffeine sleeve for the Z? ;-) |
| 20:18:42 | hunger | extremis: My 5500 has ROM version 2.13. |
| 20:18:46 | tux_mike | i'd like it, just i'm not about to go doing it. |
| 20:19:06 | BigBoss | we just finished a new product, tkcNuke, that allows the zaurus to act as a detination device for a nuclear bomb |
| 20:19:16 | extremis | hunger: any major diffs? |
| 20:19:22 | extremis | should I bother getting a 5500? |
| 20:19:45 | killefiz | BigBoss: how much is it? Does it include a bomb? |
| 20:19:46 | kergoth | extremis: depends on whether you need the 64mb of ram |
| 20:20:00 | kergoth | drinks his coffee and kicks make some more |
| 20:20:20 | NetAmp | BigBoss: cool! Do we get free Kwacky keyrings with it? |
| 20:20:32 | tux_mike | BigBoss: can i get an add-on for a ICBM? |
| 20:20:38 | kergoth | whardier: any progress on the 3d pingizauru? |
| 20:20:38 | warmi | yeah, 64 Mb would be sweet but $500 upgrade to 5000D ... hmmm |
| 20:20:40 | warmi | heh |
| 20:20:48 | kergoth | warmi: no kidding.. |
| 20:20:50 | BigBoss | you have to find the bomb yourself |
| 20:20:55 | BigBoss | :) |
| 20:21:04 | kergoth | you should sell it as a value add |
| 20:21:09 | tux_mike | warmi: then you should just get a new Z |
| 20:21:17 | BigBoss | I'm sure Saddam would love it |
| 20:21:25 | NetAmp | warmi: get paid to use your 5000D as a detonator, than buy a 5500 ;) |
| 20:21:26 | hunger | BigBoss: So Bin LAden finances your company now? Or why do you come up with such ideas? |
| 20:21:26 | BigBoss | hey - I hear a rumor that Opie has a tab manager app now? |
| 20:21:35 | warmi | tux_mike: that's what I was refering to ... I would not buy 5500 now that I have 500 |
| 20:21:39 | kergoth | BigBoss: ljp has been working on it. |
| 20:21:48 | tux_mike | ljp is making a tab manager? |
| 20:21:55 | tux_mike | warmi: ah |
| 20:21:57 | kergoth | last i herad |
| 20:21:59 | kergoth | heard too |
| 20:22:03 | warmi | it seems like 5500 is the only "upgrade" available so far |
| 20:22:04 | tux_mike | i thought someone was replcing the chips |
| 20:22:13 | tux_mike | kergoth: hrm... |
| 20:22:15 | BigBoss | where is ljp when you need him :) |
| 20:22:18 | kergoth | gets tired of kicking and shoots make |
| 20:22:32 | tux_mike | well, that'll prolly be out before my shiznit. |
| 20:22:34 | NetAmp | yeah put in a GeForce chipset |
| 20:22:36 | BigBoss | hunger: reading too much news about Osama and Palestine |
| 20:22:39 | NetAmp | then stick it to a thermo can |
| 20:22:46 | BigBoss | needed to make a joke to relieve my own tension |
| 20:22:47 | NetAmp | and your coffee will stay warm even longer ;) |
| 20:23:02 | kergoth | tux_mike: it'd just involve creation adn deletion of dirs and altering .directory files. the launcher needs a revamp regardless |
| 20:23:13 | BigBoss | damn bus was 70 minutes late dropping off my 3 year old daughter today. I was freaking |
| 20:23:21 | kergoth | damn |
| 20:23:24 | warmi | 70 minutes ??? |
| 20:23:27 | warmi | heheh |
| 20:23:28 | NetAmp | whoa! |
| 20:23:46 | tux_mike | kergoth: yah, my stuff will not be altering the file structure |
| 20:23:54 | tux_mike | altering file structure bad. |
| 20:24:05 | tux_mike | ipkg not know to delete file |
| 20:24:07 | BigBoss | 5 kids on the bus total, I live 1 block from the school |
| 20:24:18 | NetAmp | jeesh |
| 20:24:25 | NetAmp | maybe the bus driver took a brake? |
| 20:24:30 | NetAmp | Or he has a Z ;) |
| 20:24:34 | tux_mike | BigBoss: wtf. time to give school a b*tch-out |
| 20:24:49 | NetAmp | yeah kick the school |
| 20:24:49 | Twiun | BigBoss: Any explanations given? |
| 20:25:06 | BigBoss | sub bus driver |
| 20:25:14 | BigBoss | no better explanation than that |
| 20:25:24 | BigBoss | you'd think the bus dispatch would apologize |
| 20:25:26 | BigBoss | but nooooo |
| 20:25:34 | BigBoss | picture me really mad - then double it |
| 20:25:40 | NetAmp | ouch |
| 20:25:45 | warmi | well, your tax money at work |
| 20:25:59 | ep0ch | anyone have a copy of OZ3 beta 3 initrd I can d/l? sourceforge is being really really slow...zzzzZZZZ |
| 20:26:11 | kergoth | ep0ch: heh, what else is new |
| 20:26:32 | ep0ch | do you have another URL with it on? |
| 20:26:42 | warmi | BB: do you work from home ? |
| 20:26:45 | kergoth | ep0ch: not yet.. no mirrors |
| 20:26:46 | scanline | is back (gone 01:10:08) |
| 20:27:02 | ep0ch | i got a 3 hr wait then :( |
| 20:27:25 | BigBoss | warmi: yes |
| 20:27:29 | BigBoss | it's the only way to go |
| 20:27:37 | BigBoss | especially if you work 100+ hours a week like I do |
| 20:27:43 | gashish | lol. pheer me on my z spider |
| 20:27:51 | ep0ch | thats quite bad BB |
| 20:27:57 | warmi | yeah, I know .. we got to work 1 day a week from home |
| 20:28:08 | BigBoss | was there any screenshots of this tab mgr that ljp was working on? |
| 20:28:15 | ep0ch | i hope they're paying you enough!! |
| 20:28:26 | warmi | hell, I do 100 as well, considering 4 hours both ways commute time :-) |
| 20:28:28 | NetAmp | I think he's paying himself? ;) |
| 20:28:30 | BigBoss | it's my company - who's going to pay? |
| 20:28:36 | NetAmp | haha |
| 20:28:40 | ep0ch | folks like me |
| 20:28:49 | warmi | hehe |
| 20:29:01 | mark | kergoth: kernel modules uploaded yet? |
| 20:29:02 | ep0ch | and i've paid you...ermmmm.... £7? |
| 20:29:03 | | i heard bigboss was the president of TheKompany or a golden stylus freak |
| 20:29:03 | NetAmp | ibot: bigboss |
| 20:29:21 | kergoth | mark: no, mysterious empty ipk |
| 20:29:27 | BigBoss | gotta pay the programmers first :) |
| 20:29:27 | kergoth | shoots make again for good measure |
| 20:30:19 | mark | heh |
| 20:30:27 | ep0ch | so how much $$$ you bringing home BB? |
| 20:30:27 | NetAmp | kergoth: use a railgun next time ;) |
| 20:30:32 | warmi | hehehe |
| 20:30:43 | NetAmp | loves railguns |
| 20:30:43 | mark | ep0ch: what a question :) |
| 20:30:59 | ep0ch | like he'll answer it |
| 20:31:28 | ep0ch | he's probably won the lottery |
| 20:31:28 | NetAmp | He'll get more $$$ if we all go buy tkc software (not through handango though) |
| 20:31:36 | ep0ch | hehe |
| 20:31:50 | tux_mike | NetAmp: he'd have more $$$ if i had some $$ |
| 20:31:54 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:32:00 | NetAmp | tux_mike: lol |
| 20:32:08 | warmi | epoch: a little investigative work would answer that for you .. he lives in CA .. has its own house ... obviously he is not hurting |
| 20:32:09 | NetAmp | I think they should start selling Kwacky mascots |
| 20:32:24 | BigBoss | ep0ch: officially I loose money every year according to my tax return :) |
| 20:32:34 | NetAmp | btw are those Pingizauru merchandise items sold or what? |
| 20:32:56 | BigBoss | I did very well on Y2K work, and was able to finance things for a while. |
| 20:33:03 | BigBoss | but we do some good software sales |
| 20:33:20 | warmi | BB: you talking Cobol here ? |
| 20:33:23 | warmi | heheh |
| 20:33:52 | ep0ch | sweet |
| 20:33:59 | mark | wants a job where he gets to code fun stuff all day :) |
| 20:34:18 | NetAmp | go work at theKompany ;) |
| 20:34:19 | NetAmp | heh |
| 20:34:33 | warmi | tkcMetronom ?? |
| 20:34:36 | mark | BigBoss: how many job applications did you say you got a week? :) |
| 20:34:38 | mark | warmi: heheheheh |
| 20:34:54 | NetAmp | tkcFlightSim |
| 20:35:11 | tux_mike | sweet :) |
| 20:35:17 | fusion94 | BigBoss: nice article on yahoo about theKomapny |
| 20:35:23 | fusion94 | the Kompany even |
| 20:35:25 | ep0ch | i think space invaders would look nice on the Z |
| 20:35:26 | mark | thinks he has significantly lowered his karma by writing a metronome :) |
| 20:35:39 | warmi | tux_mike: do you have any special hardware like fligh sticks or rudder pedals etc .. ? |
| 20:35:41 | | wish i knew, netamp |
| 20:35:41 | NetAmp | ibot: karma for mark? |
| 20:35:45 | hunger | extremis: The 5500 has twice the RAM. kergoth said you need to hardcode things into the kernel wrt the RAM. |
| 20:35:51 | tux_mike | warmi: for my pc? |
| 20:35:51 | warmi | (for your games, I mean) |
| 20:35:55 | warmi | yeah |
| 20:36:07 | tux_mike | i have a force feedback joystick, that's it though. |
| 20:36:12 | tux_mike | i need to get some rudders |
| 20:36:12 | mark | me too |
| 20:36:15 | mark | i want the rudder pedals |
| 20:36:23 | mark | its bloody impossible on the twist |
| 20:36:23 | minnime | so what does thekompany have next in the hotplate to program? nudge nudge wink wink |
| 20:36:29 | tux_mike | mark: yah |
| 20:36:32 | NetAmp | that't be cool to have on the Z, force feedback ;) |
| 20:36:46 | tux_mike | that's why i usually use auto-cooridination |
| 20:36:47 | mark | tux_mike: they expensive? |
| 20:36:55 | kergoth | NetAmp: i can see some really twisted applications for that.. lol |
| 20:36:56 | mark | tux_mike: thats cheating :) |
| 20:37:03 | hunger | kergoth: Does the nomtdram image work with the 5500? |
| 20:37:04 | warmi | so somebody can sue Sharp when their Z jumps out of their hands and breaks in 1001 pieces ? |
| 20:37:05 | mark | kergoth: dont go there :) |
| 20:37:08 | kergoth | lol |
| 20:37:11 | kergoth | hunger: yeah |
| 20:37:12 | NetAmp | kergoth: yah I was trying to not think about that... hahaha! ;) |
| 20:37:18 | tux_mike | 100 bucks usually. you have to find some usb ones, though, because the joystick ones usually don't play nice |
| 20:37:22 | hunger | kergoth: I hate memory going away at boottime! |
| 20:37:39 | mark | tux_mike: 100 bucks for the rudder pedals alone? ouch :) |
| 20:37:39 | kergoth | hunger: hehe.. you want all 64mb now? |
| 20:37:40 | NetAmp | kergoth: that's what you get from using `make` too long :D |
| 20:37:42 | tux_mike | mark: i can't turn my wrist like that while turning in a fs. wierd thing, in mech warrior, i can get it down. |
| 20:37:58 | mark | tux_mike: yeh, its impossible to do |
| 20:38:04 | mark | well not impossible |
| 20:38:06 | mark | i cant do it either |
| 20:38:07 | hunger | kergoth: Not really. But I don't want any data permanently stored in RAM. |
| 20:38:10 | warmi | tux_mike: do you play military fsims ?? |
| 20:38:17 | NetAmp | yeah let's port Mech Warrior |
| 20:38:20 | tux_mike | warmi: nah, fs2k+2 |
| 20:38:22 | JasonNJ | catalin: can modplayer play .xm and .s3m formats? |
| 20:38:26 | kergoth | hunger: ah... you want mtdram to behave like ipaq's /mnt/ram? |
| 20:38:30 | mark | tux_mike: much better than 2k? |
| 20:38:38 | tux_mike | mark: yah. full ATC |
| 20:38:45 | hunger | kergoth: All my modifications from today are gone after the softreset. |
| 20:38:49 | tux_mike | better graphics |
| 20:38:52 | hunger | kergoth: That really sucks! |
| 20:39:06 | minnime | i would like to see the amigaos running on the arm? What is the speed difference from the old motorola chips? anyone know? |
| 20:39:10 | kergoth | hunger: oh... changes were cached... not written immediately.. hate that |
| 20:39:23 | ep0ch | 7 Mhz |
| 20:39:31 | mark | tux_mike: cool. i find it so much harder than flying properly though - with just one tiny viewpoint you really cant judge stuff well |
| 20:39:52 | tux_mike | mark: but with the stick twist, i can't get it to cooridinate in flitght sims, but i can torso-tist and circle without a problem |
| 20:39:58 | tux_mike | in mechwarrior 4 |
| 20:40:02 | kendrick2 | wanders |
| 20:40:03 | warmi | minnime: old motorola chips ( at least one used in older Amigas) run at 6 Mhz ... |
| 20:40:03 | tux_mike | mark: you a pilot? |
| 20:40:04 | hunger | kergoth: Wait, I moved much of your stuff to mtdblock6. |
| 20:40:05 | whardier | beckwarrior 5 |
| 20:40:11 | kergoth | hunger: ah |
| 20:40:13 | warmi | arm is like a speed deamon compared to that |
| 20:40:15 | tux_mike | gives whardier a beer |
| 20:40:33 | kergoth | hunger: mtdblock6 = mtdram = persistant unless you full reset |
| 20:40:36 | mark | tux_mike: not really. i know the fairly basics though - all of 13 hours experience behind me :) |
| 20:40:44 | hunger | kergoth: I want more space in the ROM for console stuff. |
| 20:40:51 | tux_mike | mark: ah, cool. |
| 20:40:55 | mark | tux_mike: u? |
| 20:41:00 | tux_mike | not yet. |
| 20:41:04 | hunger | kergoth: I just flicked the batterycover switch. Everything in mtdblock6 is gone. |
| 20:41:07 | kergoth | hunger: ic.. yeah thats fine. I'll probably be releasing a minimal initrd for people who want to start without a GUI |
| 20:41:10 | mark | tux_mike: i want to do my PPL, its just so expensive to do |
| 20:41:20 | kergoth | hunger: then the changes didnt get synced |
| 20:41:23 | tux_mike | i was about to go take lessons, but then i quit my job and went back to school |
| 20:41:33 | hunger | kergoth: Oh, great. |
| 20:41:38 | tux_mike | if i can get the money up, i'll do it. |
| 20:41:59 | kergoth | hunger: which is of course what a proper unmount wouldve done.. |
| 20:42:01 | kergoth | hunger: heh |
| 20:42:04 | mark | tux_mike: a car is higher on the list of priorities for me.... |
| 20:42:14 | kergoth | hunger: wait for embededkonsole to get fixed.. then you can ^C in konsole in opie :-) |
| 20:42:17 | minnime | how hard is it to port a standard linux app to arm? is there a website to help? |
| 20:42:22 | hunger | kergoth: ...which did not happen since I had to do a softreset. |
| 20:42:25 | tux_mike | i have one of those. i still owe ten grand on it though -_- |
| 20:42:37 | mark | minnime: often it'll just be a case of compiling it to arm |
| 20:42:40 | warmi | minnime: it is not hard as long that app is based on the qt toolkit :-) |
| 20:42:52 | hunger | kergoth: Won't help me too much anyway: I won't be using OPIE most of the time anyway. |
| 20:43:08 | kergoth | ah |
| 20:43:09 | hunger | kergoth: I just keep it to show it to friends;-) |
| 20:43:13 | kergoth | hehe :-) |
| 20:43:15 | kergoth | cool |
| 20:43:29 | NetAmp | hah |
| 20:43:55 | NetAmp | wants to use it mainly as PDA & toy ;) |
| 20:44:27 | kergoth | brb |
| 20:46:01 | NetAmp | I gotta go go go like a burning stuntman |
| 20:46:04 | NetAmp | C-y'all later! |
| 20:46:49 | JasonNJ | oh my god, the amiga lives! |
| 20:46:59 | JasonNJ | catalin's modplayer is SICK. |
| 20:47:09 | warmi | heheh |
| 20:47:11 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:47:21 | warmi | good old mods |
| 20:47:28 | kergoth | i like mods. so small |
| 20:47:32 | JasonNJ | yeah I gotta download some good ones |
| 20:47:38 | BigBoss | jason: you finally juding apps now? |
| 20:47:43 | warmi | they sound better thru speakers .. |
| 20:47:55 | JasonNJ | yeah the judging site has some |
| 20:48:00 | mark | JasonNJ: fun job |
| 20:48:00 | warmi | not so good with headphones |
| 20:48:13 | JasonNJ | pretty good with headphones actually |
| 20:48:20 | mark | starts porting kvim |
| 20:48:28 | kergoth | mark: woot! :-) |
| 20:48:33 | warmi | yeah, but one can hear a lot of artifacts which are inherent in mod files |
| 20:48:40 | mark | kergoth: don't expect it to be done for at least a month though :) |
| 20:48:43 | BigBoss | ogg files sound awesome |
| 20:48:49 | kergoth | mark: i'm patient |
| 20:48:54 | JasonNJ | actually catalin's player does ogg |
| 20:48:58 | JasonNJ | via plugin |
| 20:48:59 | warmi | but yeah, overall mod files are great |
| 20:49:02 | mark | kergoth: unlike me, as youve prolly noticed ;) |
| 20:49:04 | JasonNJ | surprised it doesnt do mp3 |
| 20:49:10 | kergoth | mark: indeed.. |
| 20:49:16 | mark | kergoth: heh |
| 20:49:35 | kergoth | mark: I found the bug with the 1k kernel modules package |
| 20:49:36 | kergoth | :-) |
| 20:49:43 | kergoth | mark: i'll have it when this build is done.. few minutes |
| 20:49:44 | BigBoss | it does do mp3 |
| 20:49:51 | kergoth | mark: then we can have usb networking working soon |
| 20:49:53 | mark | kergoth: good. /me can't wait for usbnetworking |
| 20:49:55 | warmi | I like of the mods included in Neos game ... I believe it is default one |
| 20:49:56 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:50:47 | whardier | its national pet health month |
| 20:50:52 | whardier | cleans the kitty litter |
| 20:51:15 | kergoth | it is? |
| 20:51:16 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:51:26 | whardier | yup |
| 20:51:31 | whardier | I just was told that via email |
| 20:51:35 | whardier | hehe |
| 20:51:36 | whardier | ok |
| 20:51:39 | whardier | so wireless gurus out there |
| 20:51:43 | whardier | go to petsmart |
| 20:51:56 | whardier | all the ones in the norther colorado area use 802.11b |
| 20:52:01 | kergoth | hah |
| 20:52:07 | whardier | and you can squeeze thru the firewall with a udp tunnel |
| 20:52:16 | whardier | after you pump of course |
| 20:52:22 | whardier | essid petsmart |
| 20:52:23 | JasonNJ | amiga syntho music is awesome |
| 20:52:29 | JasonNJ | I forgot how good it sounded |
| 20:52:31 | mark | whardier: cool |
| 20:54:29 | kergoth | shit shit |
| 20:54:31 | kergoth | stupid bug |
| 20:54:41 | kergoth | after you make install once with INSTALL_MOD_PATH set |
| 20:54:46 | kergoth | you cant make install again with a different path |
| 20:54:52 | kergoth | in the kernel source im ean |
| 20:54:54 | bewmIES | Really? |
| 20:55:01 | bewmIES | You mean without mrproper/clean/distclean/etc? |
| 20:55:05 | kergoth | yes |
| 20:55:16 | kergoth | i dont want to make clean, as i dont want to rebuild the binaries |
| 20:55:21 | mark | kergoth: in fact, sod the kvim port to qtopia. it requires x |
| 20:55:35 | kergoth | i simply want to install into the ipk temp instead of the staging area on the binary install |
| 20:55:37 | kergoth | mark: ack |
| 20:55:44 | warmi | mark: what ? |
| 20:55:59 | bewmIES | That's really wierd |
| 20:56:09 | kergoth | i thought so |
| 20:56:11 | bewmIES | You probably just need to remove one file since it's not tracked in the Makefiles |
| 20:56:12 | kergoth | pissed me off |
| 20:56:14 | Neo|Work | I should make Eligo able to play back arbritrary mods. :P |
| 20:56:17 | bewmIES | (reading kbuild/makefiles.txt) |
| 20:56:18 | Neo|Work | I mean, it has support for it |
| 20:56:21 | mark | kergoth: yeh, they started work on doing it another way though, so i could use that |
| 20:56:23 | whardier | blah |
| 20:56:24 | whardier | blah |
| 20:56:24 | whardier | blah |
| 20:56:29 | whardier | all you people do is talk talk talk |
| 20:56:29 | bewmIES | Try MODLIB? |
| 20:56:45 | | ep0ch: what? |
| 20:56:45 | ep0ch | ibot: kick whardier |
| 20:56:45 | warmi | yeah, you could Neo but then again ... people can disable sound in your game and play whatver they want in the background |
| 20:56:49 | bewmIES | The top Makefile defines $(MODLIB) to $(INSTALL_MOD_PATH)/lib/modules/$(KERNELRELEASE). |
| 20:56:51 | Neo|Work | heh. that's something I should have done for the contest. A little playlist editor. :P |
| 20:56:54 | | ep0ch: sorry... |
| 20:56:54 | ep0ch | ibot: slap whardier |
| 20:57:02 | whardier | hahaha |
| 20:57:02 | | ep0ch: sorry... |
| 20:57:02 | ep0ch | ibot: kill whardier |
| 20:57:03 | Neo|Work | Sugar: spank whardier |
| 20:57:04 | Sugar | gives whardier a good spanking. |
| 20:57:04 | whardier | hahahaha |
| 20:57:05 | ep0ch | damn |
| 20:57:07 | ep0ch | :) |
| 20:57:19 | kergoth | whardier: should we leave you and sugar alone? |
| 20:57:33 | ep0ch | hehe |
| 20:58:03 | Twiun | WTF my email to zaurus-java took 2 bloody hours to propagate! |
| 20:59:03 | bewmIES | kergoth: It works for me |
| 20:59:07 | bewmIES | rwm@ryan:/usr/src/linux$ find /tmp/t1 | wc -l |
| 20:59:07 | bewmIES | 188 |
| 20:59:07 | bewmIES | rwm@ryan:/usr/src/linux$ find /tmp/t2 | wc -l |
| 20:59:07 | bewmIES | 188 |
| 20:59:13 | kergoth | gah |
| 20:59:14 | bewmIES | Two back-to-back ones |
| 20:59:14 | kergoth | wtf |
| 20:59:18 | kergoth | grr |
| 20:59:44 | kergoth | hmm |
| 21:01:15 | bewmIES | heh, the evolution of a thought |
| 21:01:20 | bewmIES | wtf -> grr -> hmm |
| 21:01:33 | mark | wow, tkc have sold $10,000 of products through handago |
| 21:01:36 | kergoth | surprise! anger! deep thought! |
| 21:01:39 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:01:48 | kergoth | mark: damn |
| 21:02:32 | mark | kergoth: damn? |
| 21:02:46 | warmi | where did you read that mark ? |
| 21:02:48 | kergoth | as in, thats a good amount |
| 21:02:51 | kergoth | ;-) |
| 21:02:55 | mark | warmi: i just added it up :) |
| 21:03:00 | BigBoss | mark: yea, I wish |
| 21:03:05 | BigBoss | downloads != purchases |
| 21:03:07 | warmi | oh .. man you need a job |
| 21:03:23 | mark | warmi: i know |
| 21:03:26 | warmi | BB: yeah it should in your case .. you don't have a trial version |
| 21:03:38 | BigBoss | no - customers can download the software repeatedly |
| 21:03:42 | mark | BigBoss: if you dont have a trial version, you shouldn't be able to download it unless you pay for it |
| 21:03:44 | BigBoss | for example when we have an update |
| 21:03:45 | tux_mike | woah, 3000 views! :) |
| 21:03:47 | mark | oh right |
| 21:03:48 | BigBoss | which we've had several |
| 21:04:11 | mark | warmi: wanna give me one? :) |
| 21:04:18 | warmi | oh, well that makes sense |
| 21:04:42 | warmi | mark: I can't give anything .... I am just a programmer |
| 21:04:46 | warmi | hehe |
| 21:05:24 | warmi | mark: aren't you like behind the pond or something .. |
| 21:05:33 | kergoth | bewmIES: grr! take a look at linux-new.mk .. look at StagingInstallCmds and compare to BinaryInstallCmds |
| 21:05:57 | kergoth | bewmIES: ideas? nothing ends up in TARGET_DIR after binaryinstallcmds runs |
| 21:06:04 | kergoth | must be missing something. |
| 21:06:05 | kergoth | hm |
| 21:06:07 | mark | warmi: behind the pond? heh, yeh, i'm in europe |
| 21:06:41 | mark | my understanding is that programming is a pretty badly payed proffession overall though |
| 21:07:17 | warmi_work | mark: not really |
| 21:07:21 | warmi_work | it is not that bad |
| 21:08:09 | tux_mike | wow. 600 people have my addressbook |
| 21:08:32 | ep0ch | programming isn't at all "badly paid". You ever worked in a bar? |
| 21:08:47 | ep0ch | or KFC |
| 21:09:33 | mark | i've never worked. which may explain quite a few things :) |
| 21:09:44 | kergoth | slacker! |
| 21:09:45 | kergoth | :-P |
| 21:09:53 | gash | ep0ch: lol you're talking about apples and oranges, skilled vs un-skilled labor |
| 21:11:03 | ep0ch | still, programming isn't a badly paid job |
| 21:11:05 | kergoth | gash: yes, he's establishing a baseline 'badly paid' |
| 21:11:10 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:11:21 | mark | ep0ch: any idea what the average salary is? |
| 21:11:59 | kergoth | ljp: your unit still suspending too soon?/ |
| 21:12:08 | ep0ch | salary has gone down a lot recently |
| 21:12:22 | ep0ch | but i'd say over here its around £40,000 |
| 21:12:27 | ep0ch | 35,000 |
| 21:12:32 | ep0ch | f*ck knows |
| 21:13:33 | warmi_work | you can get 70 K + easily with couple of years of experience |
| 21:13:52 | gash | kergoth: ugh, then thats bad++ I'm a gubby and I make 3x that |
| 21:13:52 | ep0ch | ibot: change 40,000 GBP into USD |
| 21:13:54 | | ep0ch: 40,000.00 (Pound (GBP)) makes 57,620.04 (United States Dollar (USD)) |
| 21:13:59 | kergoth | gash: hehe |
| 21:14:07 | bewmIES | kergoth: I can't today, my devel box is at home |
| 21:14:13 | mark | gash: gubby? |
| 21:14:13 | kergoth | mutters about making 37k in support. need coding job |
| 21:14:14 | bewmIES | And my fw didn't come back up after we lost powe tonight. |
| 21:14:21 | ep0ch | americans get paid loads more so add 10k |
| 21:14:23 | kergoth | bewmIES: ah, gotcha |
| 21:14:31 | JasonNJ | I've had to hard reset my Z like 20 times today |
| 21:14:33 | bewmIES | I'll look at cvsweb though |
| 21:14:36 | JasonNJ | damn contest apps |
| 21:14:41 | JasonNJ | half of them crash the unit |
| 21:14:43 | kergoth | JasonNJ: lol... |
| 21:14:48 | kergoth | that sucks |
| 21:14:54 | mark | JasonNJ: hehe, i take it they wont be winning then |
| 21:14:59 | gash | mark: i'm employeed by the govt |
| 21:15:00 | JasonNJ | well, whats worse is some of them break the ipkg database |
| 21:15:05 | JasonNJ | and dont uninstall correctly |
| 21:15:14 | bewmIES | So what should I be looking at again? |
| 21:15:20 | JasonNJ | yeah what was that one that pissed me off |
| 21:15:23 | JasonNJ | Puzz-le |
| 21:15:32 | JasonNJ | that thing destroyed all my contacts and data |
| 21:15:44 | kergoth | bewmIES: linux-new.mk ... bottom, at BinaryInstallCmds and StagingInstallCmds |
| 21:15:45 | JasonNJ | just kidding |
| 21:15:51 | mark | heheheh |
| 21:15:53 | JasonNJ | puzzle is a cool one |
| 21:16:11 | bewmIES | So when it runs BinaryInstallCmds it's installing into $STAGING_DIR? |
| 21:16:15 | JasonNJ | a whole bunch of finalists didnt include ipkgs |
| 21:16:16 | bewmIES | Instead of $TARGET_DIR |
| 21:16:22 | JasonNJ | making us compile them |
| 21:16:27 | JasonNJ | pain in the ass |
| 21:16:31 | gash | has anybody else gotten their spider modem from sharpmobile.com? |
| 21:16:34 | JasonNJ | not sure if that disqualifys them or not |
| 21:16:37 | kergoth | bewmIES: so it seems... but i'm not even certain of that at this point.. ragh |
| 21:17:03 | kergoth | bewmIES: and i verified that at the time that BinaryInstallCmds runs, TARGET_DIR is set to the ipk temp dir.. |
| 21:17:03 | bewmIES | hmm |
| 21:17:07 | kergoth | its odd |
| 21:17:32 | bewmIES | I'll take a look at it tonight if I have a chance |
| 21:17:34 | bewmIES | But yeah, everything looks okay. |
| 21:17:52 | kergoth | k, just needed a sanity check :-) |
| 21:17:52 | kergoth | thanks |
| 21:18:01 | kergoth | probably missing something obvious |
| 21:18:01 | bewmIES | I'd start by saving a log and looking around |
| 21:18:02 | kergoth | i hate that |
| 21:18:07 | kergoth | yeah thats what i'm doing |
| 21:18:12 | bewmIES | Yup, it's something very little 99% of the time |
| 21:18:13 | kergoth | make linux-new 2>&1 | tee linux.log |
| 21:18:15 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:23:13 | bewmIES | Would you like some crumpets to go with that? |
| 21:24:41 | bcanon | Is anyone having issues with ssh trying to write to read only memory> |
| 21:25:25 | cks | is there any reason in the world to run a web server on a zaurus? cause i got this servlet container... |
| 21:33:15 | hunger | There's not a singe nice ssh for arm! Neither in debian/arm nor on handhelds.org nor in OZ:-( |
| 21:33:44 | bewmIES | What's wrong with the ssh binaries on sourceforge? |
| 21:33:46 | gash | hunger: whats wrong with the openssl 3.1p1 port? |
| 21:33:51 | bewmIES | exactly, those. |
| 21:34:00 | gash | er, openssh |
| 21:34:09 | gash | they work great for me |
| 21:35:08 | hunger | It's awfully big, isen't it? |
| 21:35:39 | gash | hunger: I stripped out everything i didn't need, i only used ssh and scp, pretty small |
| 21:35:58 | bewmIES | They are a big bit, yes, but how does that make them not "nice"? |
| 21:36:04 | gash | hunger: that and zlib |
| 21:36:30 | gash | ssh it important enuff that I make room for it |
| 21:37:34 | hunger | gash: Yes, but it's not a nice ipk that's installed in a sec or so. |
| 21:38:25 | gash | hunger: true that, i unpacked it to my cf then took what i need, if you install all of it, it is very bloated |
| 21:38:28 | bewmIES | I ipk'd it up, it's at home though |
| 21:40:09 | hunger | bewmIES: Please ask kergoth to put your ipk into the feed. |
| 21:40:17 | bewmIES | It was a hack job |
| 21:40:27 | bewmIES | Quick and dirty so I could SSH into OZ to debug some stuff |
| 21:40:50 | bewmIES | It won't go into the feed until it's in the buildsystem, maybe I'll spend time on that sometime soon. |
| 21:40:55 | hunger | bewmIES: That's propably better then what's in there now. |
| 21:41:00 | bewmIES | I don't imagine OpenSSH would be very easy to cross-compile though |
| 21:41:04 | bewmIES | What is in there now? |
| 21:41:16 | hunger | bewmIES: scp is broken in both directions for a start. |
| 21:41:26 | gash | the current openssh3.1p1 works just fine |
| 21:41:33 | bewmIES | Last I flashed OZ didn't even have any ssh stuff |
| 21:41:38 | gash | hunger: no, scp works great |
| 21:42:21 | kergoth | bewmIES: the ssh in the feed is just a swiped familiar ipk |
| 21:42:21 | hunger | gash: Not for me. |
| 21:42:35 | hunger | gash: not with the ipks from OZ3 at least. |
| 21:42:37 | bewmIES | ahh, which depends on PAM and all that |
| 21:42:41 | gash | hunger: ah |
| 21:43:04 | kergoth | bewmIES: yep.... therein lies the problem |
| 21:43:19 | mark | right, night all |
| 21:43:26 | mark | kergoth: have a good time on OZ3 |
| 21:43:30 | kergoth | ohhhh yeah |
| 21:43:34 | bewmIES | Well I can send along mine tonight if you want |
| 21:43:36 | kergoth | kicks make again |
| 21:44:17 | kergoth | bewmIES: for some reason BinaryInstallCmds ends up NULL in the ipkbuild phase |
| 21:44:37 | kergoth | bewmIES: even though its defined in the same if block as StagingInstallCmds which seems to work fine |
| 21:44:39 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:44:40 | kergoth | argh! |
| 21:46:17 | gash | I'm sorry to ask this again, but am I the only person that has gotten the Pocket Spider for the Z? |
| 21:46:43 | mark | gash: pocket spider? |
| 21:46:57 | gash | mark: www.sharpmobile.com |
| 21:47:15 | bewmIES | Probably :) |
| 21:47:26 | bewmIES | kergoth: Maybe it has something to do with that CONFIG stuff you put it? |
| 21:47:51 | kergoth | bewmIES: possibly.. but binarystaginginstallcmds is in the same block, in the same situation as binaryinstallcmds but doesnt experience the prob |
| 21:47:54 | kergoth | bewmIES: its odd |
| 21:48:16 | kergoth | bewmIES: the CONFIG flag is so make knows whether this is the controlling make, or the spawed off build makes |
| 21:48:21 | kergoth | bewmIES: recursion.. :-P |
| 21:48:24 | bewmIES | yeah, I saw the comment |
| 21:48:27 | bewmIES | phears |
| 21:49:05 | bewmIES | What if you reverse the order (in the file) of Staging and Install? |
| 21:49:12 | kergoth | woah, i just realized that i have a burger and fries in the fridge i didnt eat |
| 21:49:15 | bewmIES | See if staging then fails |
| 21:49:17 | kergoth | well shit, i should eat them |
| 21:49:20 | bewmIES | heh |
| 21:49:25 | kergoth | bewmIES: testing that as we speak |
| 21:49:27 | bewmIES | heh |
| 21:49:35 | kergoth | brb |
| 21:52:09 | Neo|Work | fuck it |
| 21:52:19 | tux_mike | good plan |
| 21:52:22 | Neo|Work | I dropped my Zaurus and it seems my SD card popped out and now I can't find it |
| 21:52:27 | bewmIES | I would but she's in Delaware. |
| 21:52:29 | dauxxx | cu |
| 21:52:30 | tux_mike | icky |
| 21:52:40 | tux_mike | how big? |
| 21:52:43 | Neo|Work | 64 MB |
| 21:52:58 | tux_mike | blah, that's 80 bucks |
| 21:53:02 | Neo|Work | considers going back to search some more. small little sucker |
| 21:53:11 | Neo|Work | it was $45 actually |
| 21:53:14 | Neo|Work | but bad enough |
| 21:53:14 | tux_mike | first your stylus, now your sd |
| 21:53:22 | tux_mike | where'd you get it for 45? |
| 21:53:26 | Neo|Work | www.buy.com |
| 21:53:28 | tux_mike | ah |
| 21:53:31 | Neo|Work | sandisk |
| 21:53:41 | Neo|Work | I'm going to go search some more |
| 21:53:49 | tux_mike | i got mine at bestbuy, but i had lots of gift cards and nothing else to buy |
| 21:53:59 | Neo|Work | for all I know I lost it somewhere else |
| 21:54:16 | Neo|Work | I have previously accidently pressed it so it was in popped out position |
| 21:54:19 | Neo|Work | but never dropped it |
| 21:54:36 | BigBoss | anyone know when the results of the contest are suppoesd to be announced? |
| 21:54:44 | Neo|Work | probably in may |
| 21:54:46 | Neo|Work | 2006 |
| 21:54:57 | Neo|Work | goes looking some more. |
| 21:55:41 | tux_mike | wow, the big game is supposed to get up to 350M, the largest ever in american history |
| 21:55:49 | gash | Neo|Work: good luck |
| 21:56:12 | gash | tux_mike: I got $20 worth of tickets, thats $20 wasted i'm sure |
| 21:56:46 | tux_mike | gash: yah, i got my 2 bucks worht :) it woudl be so nice to win. i could get myself my own plane |
| 21:57:15 | gash | tux_mike: dude if i win, you got that plane bud :_ |
| 21:57:23 | tux_mike | :) thanks! |
| 21:57:28 | gash | hehe |
| 21:57:45 | BigBoss | we have a new app for the Zaurus called tkcLottery - it will give you the proper numbers to win the Lottery |
| 21:57:53 | BigBoss | it is only $1 million :) |
| 21:58:05 | tux_mike | lol |
| 21:58:22 | kergoth | thatd be a good investment |
| 21:58:23 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:58:48 | gash | BigBoss: i bought the tkc package, will there be updates available on the web site? |
| 21:58:52 | BigBoss | I'd use it myself then :) |
| 21:58:55 | tux_mike | BigBoss: i'll be able to buy the tkc apps if i win :) |
| 21:59:11 | BigBoss | tux: how about you invest that money with us and we'll put you on the board? :) |
| 21:59:19 | BigBoss | gash: did you buy from us or handandgo/myzaurus? |
| 21:59:22 | kergoth | tux_mike: hire me full time to do OZ if you win, k? ;-) |
| 21:59:23 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:59:30 | gash | BigBoss: from you, directly |
| 21:59:49 | tux_mike | ker and bb: heh :) that may be doable |
| 22:00:04 | BigBoss | then updates will be in your download basket when they become available |
| 22:00:18 | gash | BigBoss: ok, thanks |
| 22:00:24 | bewmIES | Yeah but you never know when updates are because they don't bump release numbers. :) |
| 22:00:59 | Neo|Work | no luck |
| 22:01:06 | Neo|Work | I officially declare it lost forwever |
| 22:01:07 | Neo|Work | dammit |
| 22:01:10 | gash | Neo|Work: damn |
| 22:02:04 | gash | ok, going mobile, it's too nice out, gonna grab my z and my 802.11 and hit the deck w/ a corona |
| 22:02:06 | BigBoss | oh we'll bump them eventually :) |
| 22:02:14 | Neo|Work | another thing to fix for the next zaurus |
| 22:02:19 | Neo|Work | make the SD port more "safe" |
| 22:02:28 | bewmIES | I think it's pretty safe |
| 22:02:31 | Neo|Work | it is as I said not the first time I have been close to losing it |
| 22:02:36 | bewmIES | I haven't even accidentally ejected mine |
| 22:02:41 | gash | BigBoss: one suggestion, you should tell peeps that pay when new versions are available. |
| 22:02:45 | Neo|Work | bewmIES: not in the slightest |
| 22:03:04 | Neo|Work | I often hold the Z where my thumb or what not sits right by it |
| 22:03:05 | bewmIES | And I've yet to drop my Z as it's either in my cradle or my case 90% of the time :) |
| 22:03:13 | Neo|Work | and easily / often eject it by mistake |
| 22:03:28 | gash | BigBoss: also, auto signing up people for a mail list is rather rude :) |
| 22:03:34 | Neo|Work | I don't even know if the dropping it part was the issue |
| 22:03:41 | bewmIES | That issue has been hashed here about 10,000 times. |
| 22:03:45 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:03:47 | bewmIES | Yes it's lame. They won't fix it. End of story. :) |
| 22:04:52 | BigBoss | gash: we do - that is what the mail list is for |
| 22:05:10 | BigBoss | if I had infinite resources to do everything I wanted, when I wanted and how I wanted then everyone would be happy |
| 22:06:05 | Neo|Work | BigBoss: maybe you should calm down a bit and work on the apps you have instead of releasing 2-3 new ones per day or so? :P |
| 22:06:16 | kergoth | lol |
| 22:06:33 | gashish | bigboss sorry i didnt mean to offend |
| 22:08:01 | gashish | i love ur apps, but i dont like being auto signed up to a listserv |
| 22:08:20 | Neo|Work | god, it's not that bad |
| 22:08:54 | kergoth | hehe. when that shit happens i just unsubscribe and move on with my life |
| 22:08:55 | kergoth | :-P |
| 22:10:26 | gashish | ok so its acceptalbe then, we all agree on that |
| 22:11:21 | kergoth | yeah |
| 22:11:23 | kergoth | annoying though |
| 22:11:24 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:11:25 | kergoth | brb |
| 22:12:30 | Neo|Work | GRR. |
| 22:12:45 | Neo|Work | is so pissed at the moment. |
| 22:13:01 | kergoth | i figured out the kernel ipk creation problem. i'm happy |
| 22:13:06 | kergoth | Neo|Work: whats goin on? |
| 22:13:12 | Neo|Work | I lost my 64 MB SD card |
| 22:13:17 | kergoth | ah |
| 22:13:19 | kergoth | that does suck. |
| 22:13:26 | kergoth | doesnt have one to lose yet |
| 22:13:42 | kergoth | i want a good case for the Z, to hold all the little shit so i dont lose it |
| 22:13:43 | Neo|Work | so now all I have is a 32 MB CF card |
| 22:15:38 | warmi_work | lost ??? |
| 22:15:40 | warmi_work | hehe |
| 22:16:15 | kergoth | i lost my nice cross stylus |
| 22:16:21 | kergoth | now i'm stuck with the shitty sl5000d stylus |
| 22:17:01 | warmi_work | it is not that shitty ... works well for me |
| 22:17:11 | warmi_work | and I have rather big hands :-) |
| 22:17:50 | Neo|Work | the stylus is too short |
| 22:18:09 | Neo|Work | warmi_work: yes, lost. not that hard of a concept really. Means that the current location of the SD card is unknown to me |
| 22:18:19 | kergoth | lol |
| 22:18:21 | hunger | gash: Can you scp into the Z? |
| 22:18:24 | warmi_work | oh I thought you somehow destroyed it |
| 22:18:27 | Neo|Work | no |
| 22:18:34 | Neo|Work | I'm not sure when it disappeared |
| 22:18:44 | Neo|Work | I did drop my Zaurus but it didn't seemingly do anyuthing |
| 22:18:46 | hunger | gash: I get errors like libz not found (which is in /usr/lib!) |
| 22:18:53 | Neo|Work | however when I went to use it, it was gone |
| 22:19:15 | Neo|Work | but I might have lost it prior to that since it does sit in a very good spot to be accidently ejected |
| 22:19:22 | kergoth | hunger: oh, thats easy |
| 22:19:28 | kergoth | hunger: i didnt hear what the error was |
| 22:19:46 | kergoth | hunger: the problem is, when sshd runs scp, /usr/lib isnt in LD_LIBRARY_PATH at that moment |
| 22:20:01 | kergoth | hunger: the easiest solution is to install ldconfig, and use ldconfig to create a /etc/ld.so.cache from /etc/ld.so.conf |
| 22:20:23 | kergoth | warmi_work: what license is zcheckers under? |
| 22:20:30 | warmi_work | gpl |
| 22:20:39 | kergoth | k |
| 22:20:59 | warmi_work | I had to :-) I used gpled code in it |
| 22:21:08 | kergoth | ahh... hate that |
| 22:22:10 | kergoth | but its alright.. cuz were i to put a bsd licensed app in opie for example, it'd become gpl due to linking against a gpl ver of qt/e.. well, technically it wouldnt because I do the builds, and I have a commercial license.. but still, shaky ground |
| 22:22:10 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:22:31 | Neo|Work | wouldn't be so upset if he actually was able to replace it. |
| 22:22:34 | Neo|Work | alas no such luck |
| 22:22:40 | kergoth | whys that? |
| 22:22:54 | Neo|Work | it costs money. I have none to spend on that |
| 22:23:13 | warmi_work | $50 ? |
| 22:23:14 | Neo|Work | unless someone wants to buy my Visor Deluxe + keyboard |
| 22:23:19 | warmi_work | lunch money |
| 22:23:19 | Neo|Work | warmi_work: about, yes |
| 22:23:21 | warmi_work | :-) |
| 22:23:29 | warmi_work | hahaha |
| 22:23:34 | Neo|Work | my average lunch cost is about $1.50 or so... |
| 22:23:44 | warmi_work | that's definately wrong channel for pittchin Visors .. |
| 22:23:46 | Neo|Work | but if you're so well off, feel free to order one for me. :P |
| 22:23:46 | kergoth | really? i spend too much on lunches |
| 22:23:56 | kergoth | i spend like $5 a day on lunch |
| 22:23:58 | kergoth | mutters |
| 22:24:12 | kergoth | hunger, ljp: grab kernel-modules_2.4.6-rmk1-np2-embedix-20011228_arm.ipk from the oz3 feed. its more than 1k now ;-) |
| 22:24:12 | warmi_work | nah .. I don't spend 50 every day .. maybe once or twice a month |
| 22:24:17 | warmi_work | most of the time it is around $6 |
| 22:24:22 | Neo|Work | well, I don't eat in a traditional sense. losing weight or what not |
| 22:24:33 | kergoth | ah |
| 22:24:38 | kergoth | even when losing weight i eat |
| 22:24:45 | kergoth | just eat the right foods |
| 22:24:45 | tux_mike | NeoTron: how does your lunch cost you 1.50? i'm at about 5 a day. |
| 22:24:46 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:24:49 | Neo|Work | so do I. slimfast and a banana. :P |
| 22:24:51 | kergoth | tux_mike: lol.. same here |
| 22:24:55 | Neo|Work | doesn't cost much |
| 22:24:56 | kergoth | Neo|Work: ugh.. no comment |
| 22:24:58 | kergoth | :-P |
| 22:25:00 | warmi_work | can't do away with that habit yet .. :-) |
| 22:25:15 | warmi_work | I did manage to quite smoking but eating is much harder .. |
| 22:25:24 | Neo|Work | buy a couple of copies of Eligo using paypal to help me get a new card. pls? :P |
| 22:25:40 | kergoth | Neo|Work: hehe. how about i play it first? ive never seen the thing |
| 22:25:44 | Neo|Work | heck, 3-4 copies and I'm set |
| 22:25:51 | warmi_work | I will buy one |
| 22:25:55 | warmi_work | this weekend |
| 22:26:02 | warmi_work | seriously |
| 22:26:02 | Neo|Work | except that in reality I really can't afford it anyway. |
| 22:26:07 | Neo|Work | is strapped for cash. |
| 22:26:13 | kergoth | same here |
| 22:26:19 | Neo|Work | warmi_work: if you do, use eongames.com store (paypal) if you don't mind |
| 22:26:20 | tux_mike | NeoTron: couldn't find it? |
| 22:26:21 | kergoth | i'm saving up for my closing costs on my townhouse i bought |
| 22:26:27 | warmi_work | man you need that laptop bad .. |
| 22:26:29 | warmi_work | I will |
| 22:26:35 | Neo|Work | tux_mike: no, and I backtracked to some earlier trips too |
| 22:26:35 | warmi_work | I am strapped for cash as well |
| 22:26:48 | warmi_work | I can't recall time in my life when I wasn't |
| 22:27:12 | Neo|Work | kergoth: I own a house and various things related to the internet bubble caused a significant drop in extra income right about when we started the process... |
| 22:27:19 | kergoth | ah... |
| 22:27:20 | kergoth | shit |
| 22:27:25 | kergoth | thats too bad |
| 22:27:26 | warmi_work | Neo|Work: is your wife working ? |
| 22:27:42 | Neo|Work | warmi_work: no. taking care of the kids etc |
| 22:28:04 | Neo|Work | I don't work 2 jobs entirely for fun, although it's part of the equation |
| 22:28:05 | warmi_work | well, then I can understand .. it is hard to live off a single salary |
| 22:28:36 | warmi_work | talking about the second job you don't mean Eon games or do you ? |
| 22:28:50 | Neo|Work | I do |
| 22:29:01 | Neo|Work | it's a job/hobby thing |
| 22:29:03 | Neo|Work | I guess |
| 22:29:17 | warmi_work | you right .. after all you do provide service to other people |
| 22:29:21 | warmi_work | porting games etc .. |
| 22:29:33 | Neo|Work | and making them as well... |
| 22:29:41 | warmi_work | heh .. you are the one around here who stands to win most if Z goes mainstream |
| 22:29:47 | Neo|Work | just need to get some non-Zaurus stuff done so I have a larger market |
| 22:30:22 | Neo|Work | that said, the conversion ratios are good so if the downloads were 100x what they are today - schweet |
| 22:30:30 | warmi_work | as of now ... the Zaurus market is rather pathetic |
| 22:30:52 | kergoth | they really need to start doing better marketing for this |
| 22:30:56 | kergoth | to really push it |
| 22:31:18 | Neo|Work | kergoth: yeah |
| 22:31:21 | warmi_work | Neo|Work: well,you don't have other choice but to start porting your stuff to PPC and PalmOS |
| 22:31:25 | Neo|Work | perhaps they want to fix all their bugs first.. |
| 22:31:33 | kergoth | true |
| 22:31:38 | Neo|Work | warmi_work: actually, might try to go back and finish the Windows version of Eligo |
| 22:31:44 | warmi_work | speaking of this ... anyone has any , even vague, info how well Z sells so far ? |
| 22:31:48 | Neo|Work | and Linux, but that would sell worse than the Zaurus I'm sure |
| 22:31:59 | Neo|Work | warmi_work: "too early to tell" |
| 22:32:08 | warmi_work | yeah, desktop Linux is not a market you want to play in |
| 22:32:15 | warmi_work | just look at Loki . |
| 22:32:16 | warmi_work | :-) |
| 22:32:22 | Neo|Work | problem is also how to reach users of QPE/OPIE that do not use the Zaurus? |
| 22:32:31 | kergoth | handhelds.org |
| 22:32:33 | Neo|Work | warmi_work: of course, I use SDL so it's the same code |
| 22:32:33 | warmi_work | are there any ? |
| 22:32:39 | kergoth | warmi_work: yeah, ipaq folks |
| 22:32:44 | Neo|Work | but what numbers |
| 22:32:45 | Neo|Work | ? |
| 22:32:51 | Neo|Work | 10, 100, 1000, 10000? |
| 22:32:52 | warmi_work | that's such a tiny minority .. |
| 22:32:54 | Neo|Work | anyone has any ideas? |
| 22:32:58 | kergoth | no idea |
| 22:33:17 | kergoth | warmi_work: plus, arent there other devices with qtopia coming out at some point? |
| 22:33:18 | warmi_work | I doubt there are more than couple of hundret Qtopia ipaq users |
| 22:33:19 | kergoth | you'd think so |
| 22:33:41 | Neo|Work | warmi_work: and btw, PalmOS is a planned platform |
| 22:34:00 | warmi_work | I would rather do port to PPC |
| 22:34:05 | Neo|Work | might not make an Eligo for it, not decided, but the work-in-progress will definitely be palmified |
| 22:34:10 | Neo|Work | I don't know PPC |
| 22:34:11 | warmi_work | better API , more powerfull platform |
| 22:34:14 | Neo|Work | so... |
| 22:34:51 | Neo|Work | SA is falling down on the download size |
| 22:34:53 | Neo|Work | side |
| 22:35:02 | warmi_work | well, I am quite familiar with Win32 API so it would be no brainer for me but in your case if you know Palm then that's the way to go |
| 22:35:17 | Neo|Work | still by far the most downloaded commercial app but still |
| 22:35:27 | warmi_work | sales or just downloads ? |
| 22:35:35 | Neo|Work | well, problem is that the code is either SDL-ified (ParaGUI to be exact) or Qtopified |
| 22:35:39 | Neo|Work | it's not very well abstracted |
| 22:35:51 | Neo|Work | downloads |
| 22:35:58 | Neo|Work | sales I'm sure tkc stuff easily beat me at |
| 22:36:13 | Twiun | Can anyone recommend an apache log analyser? |
| 22:36:21 | whardier | modlogan |
| 22:36:22 | kergoth | vi? :-P |
| 22:37:45 | warmi_work | seems like, so far, Z users are not exactly the kind that would buy games ? |
| 22:38:20 | warmi_work | but I can understand that ... with the kind of "quality " of buil-in apps .. it is no wonder tck stuff sells so well |
| 22:38:36 | hunger | kergoth: Could you please add dhcpcd from ftp://ftp.handhelds.org/pub/linux/dists/familiar/feeds/unstable/packages/armv4l/ to the feed? |
| 22:38:36 | Neo|Work | tkc has had just under $5000 in sales on Handango |
| 22:38:38 | Twiun | I dunno... There aren't really enough games around to judge |
| 22:38:39 | Neo|Work | as a FUI |
| 22:39:13 | warmi_work | Twiun: that's not the problem .. there are not enough every-day users |
| 22:39:16 | Neo|Work | but they have so many products |
| 22:39:27 | hunger | kergoth: That makes using dhcp servers possible. Works fine with "iface eth0 inet dhcp" in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 22:39:28 | Neo|Work | I wonder how the sales would look like if they had demos btw |
| 22:39:56 | kergoth | hunger: will do |
| 22:39:58 | bewmIES | Add pump |
| 22:39:59 | warmi_work | or if they offered free source code like I do ... |
| 22:40:05 | bewmIES | Its more lighweight and will work from interfaces(5) too |
| 22:40:07 | kergoth | bewmIES: pump instead? |
| 22:40:08 | kergoth | ah |
| 22:40:11 | bewmIES | I'd vote pump |
| 22:40:11 | kergoth | hm |
| 22:40:12 | Neo|Work | warmi_work: have you had any actual sales btw? |
| 22:40:12 | warmi_work | considering the fact that Z users , so far, are 99% geeks ...:-) |
| 22:40:14 | bewmIES | Very little, very easy |
| 22:40:27 | bewmIES | I can put it in the buildsystem tongiht if you want (send you a .mk) |
| 22:40:30 | warmi_work | slim at best :-) |
| 22:40:39 | warmi_work | I think 2 or 3 |
| 22:41:07 | warmi_work | but that's ok .... 2 months from now I will have my wireless card :-) |
| 22:41:09 | hunger | bewmIES: Doesen't pump have some problems? I think that I read that debian discouraged it's use nowadays. |
| 22:41:09 | warmi_work | hehe |
| 22:41:21 | bewmIES | We ship it and I use it all the time. |
| 22:41:35 | bewmIES | If it has problems I don't know about them, email me a URL if you find info on them. |
| 22:41:58 | warmi_work | but I was hoping to make a living out of sales on handango I would never offer anything but the binary |
| 22:42:12 | bewmIES | Debian probably doesn't like it because it was written by a guy a Red Hat. :) |
| 22:43:05 | hunger | bewmIES: IIRC it was about multiple interfaces used at once. Will propably not apply to the Z anyway:-) |
| 22:43:16 | bewmIES | ahh possibly |
| 22:43:30 | hunger | bewmIES: dhcpcd has the advantage that it's readily available on handhelds.org;-) |
| 22:43:32 | bewmIES | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 32308 Mar 19 15:36 /sbin/pump |
| 22:43:43 | bewmIES | Yes, but the easiest road is not always the best road. |
| 22:43:50 | bewmIES | If it were then why would we just not be porting familiar? |
| 22:43:57 | hunger | bewmIES: Agreed:-) dhcpcd is 8K bigger. |
| 22:44:00 | warmi_work | Neo|Work: any plans after C Cruncher is done ? |
| 22:44:10 | bewmIES | I also have a personal hate against ISC software |
| 22:46:20 | kergoth | woot |
| 22:46:25 | kergoth | found the problem with hotplug not working |
| 22:46:27 | kergoth | :-) |
| 22:46:34 | kergoth | usbd networking will be up shortly |
| 22:46:36 | ][N-Flux | you rock |
| 22:46:38 | ][N-Flux | is back (gone 09:23:12) |
| 22:46:55 | kergoth | now we just need qipkg to be able to install to mtdram/cf/sd... |
| 22:47:02 | kergoth | and a working embeddedkonsole.. |
| 22:47:07 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:48:10 | Neo|Work | warmi_work: yeah, I have more stuff to do |
| 22:48:26 | warmi_work | ports or original stuff ? |
| 22:48:34 | Neo|Work | both |
| 22:48:45 | Neo|Work | The desktop version of Eligo for example |
| 22:49:33 | warmi_work | I am working now on Phalanx chess .. then my asm class and then I am gonna do River Raid clone |
| 22:49:39 | warmi_work | another thing I always wanted to do |
| 22:51:04 | warmi_work | hi catalin |
| 22:51:17 | catalin | re warmi |
| 22:51:22 | warmi_work | you are on your way to win at least a laptop :-) |
| 22:51:47 | warmi_work | Jason was seen praising your mod player :-) |
| 22:52:08 | catalin | warmi: whoa, is that so ? cool :) |
| 22:53:14 | warmi_work | maybe we should have some bets .. who is going to win what .. |
| 22:53:18 | warmi_work | huh :-) |
| 22:53:34 | catalin | warmi: actually the idea is not bad at all :) |
| 22:54:18 | warmi_work | I say ... Korganizer wins it all |
| 22:54:19 | Neo|Work | we dont' even know what most of the apps are |
| 22:54:25 | warmi_work | you win your laptop |
| 22:54:51 | warmi_work | well, yeah, but we can at least bet on the ones we know about |
| 22:54:53 | warmi_work | hehe |
| 22:55:22 | warmi_work | Korganizer, if well done ... seems to be a perfect match for a pda |
| 22:56:03 | catalin | warmi: the modplayer demo onmy site is *very* behind the final version I submitted yesterday |
| 22:56:36 | warmi_work | yeah, I know .. Jason said the final version plays orbs etc |
| 22:56:39 | Neo|Work | if it works with the builtin apps perhaps but I think it'd be annoying to have a bunch of PIM's that don't cooperate |
| 22:56:59 | warmi_work | yeah, I know ... cooperation is a must ! |
| 22:57:14 | Neo|Work | I think it's unfair advantage for ppl who get paid to work on this as their job. :-PP |
| 22:57:16 | warmi_work | btw ... they are about to release PIM library that will make things easier |
| 22:57:59 | warmi_work | heh Neo: theoretically .. you get paid as well |
| 22:58:06 | catalin | neo: "paid on this as their job": are you talking about me ? |
| 22:58:10 | treke | in theory :) |
| 22:58:13 | Neo|Work | catalin: for example. :P |
| 22:58:35 | BigBoss | catalin wasn't paid to do his modplayer |
| 22:58:38 | Neo|Work | warmi_work: well, 10-100x the sales and I'm fine. but mind you for SA I only get a small percentage when sold from handangp |
| 22:59:32 | Neo|Work | BigBoss: well, the ogg player is definitely a benefit of tkc in either case. |
| 22:59:36 | catalin | neo: as BB said, I wasn't paid. And I did it in my free hours |
| 22:59:49 | warmi_work | I know Neo .. I know , that's why I said that you would prosper quite well if Z were to become a popular PDA |
| 22:59:50 | Neo|Work | and I wasn't really serious either |
| 23:00:01 | warmi_work | heheh |
| 23:00:55 | scanline | is away: pseudo-dinner-like-somethingorother |
| 23:01:40 | warmi_work | even if you were taking 100% it would still be not enough ..... Z needs a much larger market share |
| 23:01:48 | warmi_work | to make it a worthwhile business |
| 23:02:21 | Neo|Work | if I got a 100% market reach I'd be doing fine for a while actually |
| 23:02:35 | Neo|Work | counting the 5000 developer units only |
| 23:02:41 | Neo|Work | of course that aint gonna happen |
| 23:02:45 | warmi_work | no , I mean 100% of each sale |
| 23:02:53 | Neo|Work | oh, yeah |
| 23:03:12 | Neo|Work | that'd be a lot better of course |
| 23:03:25 | treke | what are you getting in the end? |
| 23:03:33 | Neo|Work | but in all honesty, although I like the platform, it's nothing I'll bet my life on |
| 23:03:47 | warmi_work | of course |
| 23:04:14 | warmi_work | the way things are going, it doesn't look like Z is making huge splash in the pda market |
| 23:04:18 | Neo|Work | but then again, if I get 10 products out there, it'll add up |
| 23:04:23 | Neo|Work | just look at tkc |
| 23:06:07 | kergoth | starts syslogd on his z |
| 23:08:29 | warmi_work | 6 pm .. time to go home |
| 23:08:32 | warmi_work | see you later |
| 23:10:39 | kergoth | alright i have to say.. having syslogd on the Z rocks |
| 23:10:42 | kergoth | klogd too |
| 23:17:39 | kergoth | i got it! |
| 23:17:45 | kergoth | usb networking works on oz3 :-) |
| 23:17:48 | kergoth | finally |
| 23:17:49 | kergoth | shit |
| 23:19:53 | ][N-Flux | shhhhhuuuuuurrrrrrre :) |
| 23:20:16 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:20:19 | kergoth | :-) |
| 23:20:26 | kergoth | one bug down, a shitload to go |
| 23:20:28 | kergoth | :-) |
| 23:20:30 | kergoth | time to go home |
| 23:28:24 | scanline | is back (gone 00:27:30) |
| 23:30:56 | ljp | ya run away just when I was going to let you know of another buggie... |
| 23:31:32 | catalin | is OZ3 out yet ? |
| 23:31:54 | catalin | has been living in a cave for the last couple of days |
| 23:33:44 | ljp | catalin: beta 3 is.. but it's best to wait |
| 23:33:55 | antlarr | hi |
| 23:33:56 | catalin | why ? showstoppers ? |
| 23:34:08 | catalin | hi antlarr |
| 23:34:13 | ljp | yep.. untill we get embeddedkonsole working... *sigh* |
| 23:34:43 | catalin | argh! konsole is esential to me |
| 23:34:54 | antlarr | catalin: you're not the only one :) |
| 23:35:28 | catalin | I don't doubt it :) |
| 23:36:24 | ljp | I think it's because kergoth switched sh from a real bash, to busybox... we'll find out when he compiles bash.. |
| 23:36:58 | catalin | I hate busybox' shell :( |
| 23:37:45 | ljp | me also. you ever try debugging a gui terminal without a gui terminal? |
| 23:37:58 | ljp | it sux |
| 23:38:46 | catalin | heh |
| 23:40:12 | ljp | thats about the only thing different is that pseudo shell |
| 23:40:19 | tux_mike | time to rebuild opie |
