| 00:00:51 | Relayer | If the Zaurus becomes extremely popular, you bet MS will port PPC to it |
| 00:01:21 | Com[Plex] | hmm |
| 00:01:31 | Com[Plex] | I sure like the way it looks.. |
| 00:01:46 | Com[Plex] | they brought back a more "windows" style interface with the latest release |
| 00:02:01 | Com[Plex] | the new ipaqs are dripping with eyecandy, - too bad they lack a keyboard. |
| 00:02:24 | Com[Plex] | I gotta have a keybaord.. - seriously, ALL I was waiting for, was a keyboard.. |
| 00:02:30 | Relayer | I had an iPaq 3765 before trading it inonthe Z |
| 00:02:50 | Com[Plex] | speaking of keybaords, does anyone have a Yopi? from gmate.com |
| 00:03:22 | Com[Plex] | linux based, clamshell, keyboards on the bottom half,. - but, NO BACKLIGHT. |
| 00:03:34 | Com[Plex] | could you belvie that? no backlight. who would want it? |
| 00:03:57 | Com[Plex] | its got the 200mhz arm, 32mb ram or 64, i forget. - 400$ - no backlight |
| 00:04:15 | Relayer | It better have high reflectivity |
| 00:04:34 | Relayer | Or use one of those Gameboy lights.... |
| 00:04:40 | Com[Plex] | http://www.yopydeveloper.org/english/index.htm |
| 00:04:51 | Com[Plex] | same exact screen as the Z, - supposedlyu |
| 00:05:00 | | Com[Plex]: huh? |
| 00:05:00 | Com[Plex] | ibot yopi |
| 00:05:43 | | OK, Com[Plex]. |
| 00:05:43 | Com[Plex] | ibot yopi is a linux based handheld with a clamshell design, keyboard, and no backlight for 400$. it can be found at http://www.yopydeveloper.org/english/index.htm |
| 00:05:54 | Com[Plex] | oh shit |
| 00:05:59 | | ...but yopy is at http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/YopyLinuxDistribution... |
| 00:05:59 | Com[Plex] | ibot yopy is a linux based handheld with a clamshell design, keyboard, and no backlight for 400$. it can be found at http://www.yopydeveloper.org/english/index.htm |
| 00:06:12 | Com[Plex] | heh |
| 00:06:19 | Com[Plex] | yopy yopi |
| 00:06:29 | Relayer | I bet one of those white LED gameboy lights would be interesting for a Z. Would let the batteries last longer |
| 00:07:16 | Com[Plex] | hmm |
| 00:07:33 | Com[Plex] | they could use surface mount leds, ring around the outside] |
| 00:07:55 | Com[Plex] | 5 of them would be as bright as any tube light could be, generate less heat, and never fail |
| 00:08:07 | Com[Plex] | they coudl easily diffuse that much light |
| 00:08:21 | Com[Plex] | I wonder why they dont. |
| 00:08:35 | Relayer | Pop off of bottom connector as a removeable |
| 00:09:38 | Com[Plex] | ? |
| 00:10:34 | Relayer | Just tried out a single White LED I have here... Definately need a cluster |
| 00:10:49 | ljp-- | ahhh screw the Zaurus.. I'm just gonna get a $20 Protoge |
| 00:11:11 | ljp-- | hehehe |
| 00:11:36 | ljp-- | damn finally OZ download finished |
| 00:11:45 | Com[Plex] | well sure, but think about this, your shining it from above. - the reflection would be quite disruptive. - if they were built in instead of the cathode, you line em up. then the light would be from below. |
| 00:13:47 | Relayer | Once surfacemount white LEDs become popular (available) I guess |
| 00:13:59 | | yopy is a linux based handheld with a clamshell design, keyboard, and no backlight for 400$. it can be found at http://www.yopydeveloper.org/english/index.htm |
| 00:13:59 | BZFlag | ibot yopy? |
| 00:14:06 | | BZFlag: I forgot yopi |
| 00:14:06 | BZFlag | ibot forget yopi |
| 00:14:19 | Com[Plex] | I did that allready |
| 00:14:22 | | OK, BZFlag. |
| 00:14:22 | BZFlag | ibot yopi is <reply> try yopy |
| 00:14:36 | Com[Plex] | oh |
| 00:15:06 | Com[Plex] | is that your bot? |
| 00:15:34 | BZFlag | well, I do more maintainance on him than others. the timr in the log url is me. ;-) |
| 00:15:45 | | http://ipaq.secret.org.uk/~timr |
| 00:15:45 | BZFlag | ibot logs? |
| 00:15:45 | ljp-- | ok.. here goes OZ beta |
| 00:15:59 | | BZFlag: I forgot logs |
| 00:15:59 | BZFlag | ibot forget logs |
| 00:16:11 | | OK, BZFlag. |
| 00:16:11 | BZFlag | ibot logs is <reply> http://ipaq.secret.org.uk/~timr/ |
| 00:17:37 | | i guess i am a Micro$oft minion that is snooping this channel for new innovations. |
| 00:17:37 | BZFlag | ibot who are you |
| 00:17:40 | BZFlag | heh |
| 00:18:19 | | relayer: i don't know |
| 00:18:19 | Relayer | ibot: What is the answer to the universe? |
| 00:18:33 | Relayer | gotta program a 42 |
| 00:19:01 | Com[Plex] | the answer to life universe and everything is 42 |
| 00:19:19 | Com[Plex] | its really sad that douglass adams died.. |
| 00:19:24 | Com[Plex] | he didnt write enough books :< |
| 00:20:18 | Relayer | would have made for some interesting reading in his senile years |
| 00:20:42 | Com[Plex] | hahah |
| 00:20:44 | Com[Plex] | defenitely |
| 00:22:09 | Relayer | I like Alta Vista's use of Babelfish |
| 00:25:09 | Com[Plex] | yeah man |
| 00:30:25 | kergoth | re |
| 00:33:25 | ljp-- | hey kergoth |
| 00:33:42 | ljp-- | you know the 550 has a different flash sequence? |
| 00:33:46 | ljp-- | err 5500 |
| 00:34:34 | kergoth | for romimages, yeah |
| 00:35:51 | ljp-- | am I glad todays is over.. |
| 00:36:18 | ljp-- | whats it doing : MTD_Write ? |
| 00:36:44 | Relayer | What does it mean when the e-mail light flashes 3 times. pause. etc? I have no new e-mail at the time |
| 00:36:56 | Relayer | on the Z |
| 00:36:58 | kergoth | ljp--: lol.. i have mtd debugging too high :-) |
| 00:37:07 | ljp-- | geeezz |
| 00:37:31 | ljp-- | flashing SanJose Z currently |
| 00:37:41 | ljp-- | hmm kernel panic |
| 00:38:04 | kergoth | kernel panic? |
| 00:38:06 | Relayer | I guess I could reboot it... |
| 00:38:11 | kergoth | on the Z? |
| 00:38:24 | ljp-- | yep |
| 00:38:32 | kergoth | ljp--: i have 3 ipks to upgrade you to pre-beta3 |
| 00:38:38 | kergoth | ljp--: when did it panic? |
| 00:38:44 | ljp-- | lemm re upload to the cf.. |
| 00:39:26 | ljp-- | last line is In interrupt handler - not syncing |
| 00:39:44 | kergoth | you want the ipks? they fix mtdram mounting, pcmcia-cs shutdown on halt/reboot |
| 00:39:51 | kergoth | goes back to bugfixing |
| 00:40:36 | kergoth | also, it mounted tmp and var twice in that rom. the ipks fix that too |
| 00:41:00 | kergoth | ljp--: immediately on booting up .. cd /; tar xvf root/.dev_default.tar; |
| 00:41:10 | kergoth | ljp--: i forgot to add the devices.. hehe. nothing works until you do that |
| 00:41:41 | kergoth | ljp--: also, opie wont boot until you install libopie from the oz3 feed |
| 00:41:44 | | hmmm... oz3 feed is at http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/feeds/3.0/ |
| 00:41:44 | kergoth | ibot: oz3 feed? |
| 00:42:22 | Com[Plex] | relayer, isnt that a TKCJABBER message indicator/ |
| 00:42:26 | Com[Plex] | too alte |
| 00:45:14 | Com[Plex] | im thinking about buying a yopy. but I cant get over the fact that it has no backlight. |
| 00:45:18 | ljp-- | kergoth: hmmm... thats in the initrd dated 2002-04-11 ? |
| 00:45:40 | kergoth | i'm referring to the initrd-beta2bin |
| 00:45:43 | kergoth | s/2bin/2.bin/ |
| 00:46:14 | ljp-- | ya me too |
| 00:46:31 | kergoth | k |
| 00:46:41 | kergoth | beta3 (beta2 + those fixed ipks) will be out in a couple hours |
| 00:47:51 | ljp-- | k cool.. |
| 00:55:19 | ljp-- | got to the login! |
| 00:55:36 | kergoth | progress |
| 00:55:41 | kergoth | extract the devices before you do anything |
| 00:55:42 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:56:23 | ljp-- | heh ok |
| 01:01:53 | kergoth | that kgrok app looks pretty sweet |
| 01:03:23 | Vilmars | This ? was probably asked many times before but is the only difference between the 5000 and the 5500 the 32MB of memory? If so, I'm in the market for a 5000 |
| 01:03:42 | blade8086 | that and software issues... |
| 01:04:32 | blade8086 | hi all. Has anyone in here built qt-embedded from scratch? if so, did you unpack the source to the usual $QTDIR? I'm having qvfb compilation problems |
| 01:04:40 | Vilmars | software issues? Are the Excel, PP and Word proggies on the 5000 as well? |
| 01:05:22 | blade8086 | no.. this would be the issues. |
| 01:05:57 | treke | Arent they free downloads for 5000 users? |
| 01:06:09 | Vilmars | thanks blade8086. |
| 01:06:29 | blade8086 | I would not be the best to say... I believe they run on the 5000D with no problems |
| 01:06:46 | blade8086 | (mine is new) |
| 01:06:48 | kergoth | treke: they have demos avail for 5000 |
| 01:07:07 | kergoth | treke: they may make them available for 5000 later on, or may charge a small amount for 5000 users |
| 01:07:38 | treke | wait is the 5000 the release or devel unit? |
| 01:09:39 | kergoth | treke: devel |
| 01:10:08 | treke | ah. Maybe I'm thinking the 5500 has hancom for download |
| 01:10:09 | Neo|Work | I hate reviews (as in yearly reviewing of myself at work) |
| 01:11:52 | blade8086 | the difference is 5000 and 5000D where 'D' = devel |
| 01:12:03 | blade8086 | Unless I am mistaken.. |
| 01:13:00 | Com[Plex] | the hancom is for the retail version, not the developers version. the roms not big enough for hancom on the developers version if I remember corectly |
| 01:13:01 | kergoth | thats 5500 and 5000d |
| 01:13:08 | kergoth | not 5000 and 5000d |
| 01:13:08 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:13:15 | treke | too confusing |
| 01:13:16 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: there's room |
| 01:13:19 | Com[Plex] | yeah? |
| 01:13:39 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: yep.. |
| 01:13:45 | kergoth | brb |
| 01:13:49 | Com[Plex] | I dont need em. its only word and excell, right? |
| 01:14:00 | Com[Plex] | nothing else in tehre that I could use. and I wont use those. |
| 01:14:16 | ljp-- | but they didnt inlude them cause realy developers use emacs |
| 01:14:17 | Com[Plex] | I got tkc editor. and tkcpaint. - wich rules btw |
| 01:14:41 | Vilmars | Anyone know where I can by a 5000D at a good price (new or used)? |
| 01:14:46 | Com[Plex] | ebay |
| 01:14:49 | ljp-- | they ebay |
| 01:15:03 | ljp-- | god I should quit typing |
| 01:15:05 | Com[Plex] | now if only I could figure out why tkc japper wont install to SD.. |
| 01:15:59 | Com[Plex] | dont you hate it when you get a big steak, and half of it is cooked to perfection, and the other half is just -wrong- ? |
| 01:16:36 | roge99 | Com[Plex]: Install all the tkc apps first and the common one last |
| 01:16:40 | Com[Plex] | I like mine well. - and the thinner half was well, but the thick half was raw. - its like, I gotta send that half back for more heat. |
| 01:16:52 | Com[Plex] | roge: yeah? all to SD ? |
| 01:16:56 | roge99 | yep |
| 01:16:58 | Com[Plex] | cool! |
| 01:17:01 | Com[Plex] | Ill try that now |
| 01:17:05 | Com[Plex] | I did it in reverse |
| 01:17:12 | roge99 | so did i the first time |
| 01:17:28 | roge99 | BB told me to do it that way and it worked perfect |
| 01:17:36 | Com[Plex] | sweet |
| 01:17:42 | Com[Plex] | anyone ehre have a YOPY ? |
| 01:17:56 | Com[Plex] | I think IM gonna buy one.. but I cant get passed the lack of back light. |
| 01:18:04 | Com[Plex] | I might have to get one and modify it |
| 01:18:17 | roge99 | ohh your the mad painter |
| 01:18:24 | roge99 | nice looken boxes |
| 01:18:46 | Com[Plex] | relayer broguht up an idea of using white leds.. and my gears have been turning ever since |
| 01:18:50 | Com[Plex] | thanx :> |
| 01:18:52 | Com[Plex] | [12PIMP] http://me.256k.net/casemod/ZAURUS-MODS/ |
| 01:19:07 | roge99 | is that the blue one ? |
| 01:19:10 | Com[Plex] | yep |
| 01:19:21 | Com[Plex] | the pics suck, but IM gonna take more with a better camera |
| 01:19:23 | roge99 | i saw that when you first did it |
| 01:19:24 | Com[Plex] | so you can see the blue |
| 01:19:27 | Com[Plex] | :> |
| 01:19:37 | roge99 | looks good |
| 01:19:42 | Com[Plex] | tnx |
| 01:20:03 | Com[Plex] | i love tkcmahjong.. |
| 01:20:07 | roge99 | i like the water cool'd gizmo you had |
| 01:20:10 | Com[Plex] | "you are won!" |
| 01:20:11 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 01:20:28 | Com[Plex] | roge: I make water blocks in my spare time. - copper water blocks - |
| 01:20:32 | Com[Plex] | http://me.256k.net/casemod/TUTORIALS/copper_video_block/ |
| 01:20:32 | roge99 | was that antifreeze or just colord water/tubing |
| 01:20:49 | Com[Plex] | flourescent Dye Lite. and some redlines water wetter |
| 01:21:10 | Com[Plex] | the water wetter thins out the water, and makes it touch the HTD better |
| 01:21:17 | Com[Plex] | heat transfer devices |
| 01:22:13 | Com[Plex] | wheres the strategic assault icon appear when you install it? I cant seem to find it |
| 01:23:45 | roge99 | did you machine those copper blocks yourself ? |
| 01:23:48 | Com[Plex] | yep |
| 01:23:56 | roge99 | nice |
| 01:24:04 | Com[Plex] | using a great big mill at the high school where I work. |
| 01:24:12 | roge99 | ahhhh |
| 01:24:19 | Com[Plex] | I took an adult ed machine tool class, and been making blocks all year |
| 01:24:35 | Com[Plex] | I only started to turn a profitrecently. |
| 01:24:41 | roge99 | i was wondering were you had access to a milling machine ( there not cheap ) |
| 01:24:46 | Com[Plex] | at first they were taking me so long to make I was losing money on em |
| 01:25:34 | Com[Plex] | anyywa, if you ever decide to go water cooling, im the guy you should talk to. - and I wont even reccomend that you buy my blocks. |
| 01:25:43 | ljp-- | can you make a copper case for the Z? |
| 01:25:58 | Com[Plex] | you mean, replace the plastic one? |
| 01:26:23 | ljp-- | hmm I was thinking a protective cover.. but a case replacement would be rad |
| 01:26:29 | ljp-- | :D |
| 01:26:33 | Com[Plex] | no, I dont think that is within the scope of my ability |
| 01:26:49 | Com[Plex] | however, I did want to make a new screen cap for it |
| 01:26:51 | ljp-- | awwwwww c'mon.. thatd be coolio |
| 01:27:15 | Com[Plex] | copper has an annoying trait, of looking like a dirty old penny after a few seconds of handling. |
| 01:27:37 | ljp-- | schellac! |
| 01:27:40 | ljp-- | :D |
| 01:27:50 | Com[Plex] | heheeh |
| 01:28:41 | roge99 | Com[Plex]: you overclock ? |
| 01:28:43 | ljp-- | I own a koolance liquid cooled case. |
| 01:28:48 | Com[Plex] | hell yes |
| 01:28:53 | Com[Plex] | 4OverClock/12WaterCool Project: 12(AMD , 1850MHz) From: 1667mhz 12(XP2000+) 3CPU: (102F)3 MB: (100F) 3Core: (1.82v) 3IO: (3.31v) 12Uptime:(2hrs 51mins 2secs) |
| 01:29:11 | Com[Plex] | equivalent to an xp2263+ |
| 01:29:59 | Com[Plex] | jabber still wont install to SD |
| 01:30:06 | roge99 | hmm |
| 01:30:10 | Com[Plex] | fucking ipkg |
| 01:30:16 | roge99 | mine went in fine |
| 01:30:20 | Com[Plex] | whats teh connect to install something to SD from the console? |
| 01:30:21 | Hellaenergy | I just bought a Soyo Dragon Ultra w/ an Athlon 1800+ |
| 01:30:23 | Hellaenergy | :) |
| 01:30:26 | Com[Plex] | nice |
| 01:30:37 | Com[Plex] | I got a msi KT3 Ultra ARU the other day |
| 01:30:39 | Com[Plex] | its nice |
| 01:30:48 | Hellaenergy | Sorry Dragon + |
| 01:30:55 | Hellaenergy | Ultra is for P4 |
| 01:31:05 | Com[Plex] | but I had to put my SBlive in it because the onboard sound hasd a few features I refuse to sue. |
| 01:31:06 | Com[Plex] | use |
| 01:31:51 | roge99 | hey Hellaenergy |
| 01:31:56 | Hellaenergy | roge99: I finally splerged :) |
| 01:32:02 | roge99 | good for you |
| 01:32:09 | Hellaenergy | I think so |
| 01:32:18 | roge99 | i havent bought any computer gear in a while |
| 01:32:31 | Hellaenergy | Its been 4 years since I bought a new box |
| 01:32:57 | Com[Plex] | whats the command to install something to SD from the console? |
| 01:32:58 | roge99 | i have too much stuff already |
| 01:33:03 | ][N-Flux | so, hows the oz beta? |
| 01:33:17 | Hellaenergy | Plus you get to play with other peoples dream toys :) |
| 01:33:24 | roge99 | yea |
| 01:33:32 | Hellaenergy | no play |
| 01:33:36 | Hellaenergy | :\ |
| 01:33:48 | Hellaenergy | but still, though |
| 01:35:47 | Com[Plex] | does ANyone here know anything about ipkg istalls? |
| 01:36:06 | roge99 | i havent done much w/ ipkg command line :( sorry |
| 01:36:08 | Hellaenergy | I know they are quirky at times |
| 01:36:15 | Hellaenergy | what is the question |
| 01:36:19 | Com[Plex] | whats the command to install something to SD from the console? |
| 01:36:23 | Com[Plex] | To |
| 01:36:27 | Com[Plex] | to sd |
| 01:39:08 | Com[Plex] | *sigh* |
| 01:39:14 | Com[Plex] | the world may never know |
| 01:39:28 | roge99 | what rom are you running |
| 01:39:36 | Com[Plex] | 1.13 |
| 01:39:42 | Hellaenergy | 5500? |
| 01:39:46 | Com[Plex] | 5000 |
| 01:39:46 | Com[Plex] | d |
| 01:39:50 | kergoth | you cant install to sd from console in the sharp roms |
| 01:39:56 | Hellaenergy | you should be running 1.12 |
| 01:39:58 | kergoth | qinstall does the work |
| 01:40:01 | Com[Plex] | why should I be? |
| 01:40:15 | roge99 | thats what im running |
| 01:40:21 | roge99 | and i had no probs |
| 01:40:23 | Hellaenergy | what 1.13? |
| 01:40:28 | roge99 | yep |
| 01:40:34 | Com[Plex] | but 1.13 has a bigger heap |
| 01:40:40 | Hellaenergy | isn't 1.13 made for the 5500 |
| 01:40:40 | roge99 | exactly |
| 01:40:42 | Com[Plex] | isnt that what we are supposed tohave? |
| 01:41:05 | roge99 | you have a 5000d right ? |
| 01:41:08 | Com[Plex] | yes |
| 01:41:18 | Hellaenergy | You don't have any problems with lack of RAM? |
| 01:41:22 | Com[Plex] | never |
| 01:41:23 | Hellaenergy | roge99 |
| 01:41:30 | Hellaenergy | you neither huh |
| 01:41:34 | roge99 | nope |
| 01:41:36 | Com[Plex] | I have a 64mb sd card. |
| 01:41:37 | roge99 | lack of ram |
| 01:41:47 | roge99 | you get more ram w/ 1.13 |
| 01:41:50 | Hellaenergy | Hmmmmmmmmmm |
| 01:41:52 | Com[Plex] | yeah |
| 01:42:04 | roge99 | less internal storage |
| 01:42:08 | Hellaenergy | Less storage which is your ram right |
| 01:42:12 | Hellaenergy | yeah |
| 01:42:18 | Com[Plex] | 1.13 has a 20mb heap, (ram) and like 5mb storage. 1.12 is the other way around |
| 01:42:21 | Hellaenergy | I will have to try that one |
| 01:42:33 | Com[Plex] | yuo got 32mb ram to work with,. actually its more like 25 |
| 01:42:35 | Hellaenergy | I need more RAM stack |
| 01:42:38 | roge99 | 1.12 is 16/16 |
| 01:42:46 | Com[Plex] | huh? |
| 01:42:58 | Hellaenergy | what is 1.13 again? |
| 01:42:59 | Com[Plex] | roge, yuo ever try running a bunch of apps and run out of room? |
| 01:43:08 | Com[Plex] | 20-5 |
| 01:43:22 | Hellaenergy | Just run the e-mail app and download 1000 e-mails :) |
| 01:43:26 | roge99 | running at once ? |
| 01:43:28 | kergoth | its 20-12 vs 26-6, iirc |
| 01:43:31 | Hellaenergy | That always crashes my shit |
| 01:44:00 | Hellaenergy | kergoth what is the OZ3 heap? |
| 01:44:07 | kergoth | Hellaenergy: there are 4 oz3 kernels |
| 01:44:13 | Com[Plex] | http://more.sbc.co.jp/slj/download.asp |
| 01:44:16 | Hellaenergy | You guys rock |
| 01:44:18 | kergoth | Hellaenergy: 20-12, 26-6, 32/64-0, and 32-32 |
| 01:44:25 | kergoth | Hellaenergy: 32-32 is exclusively sl-5500 |
| 01:44:25 | Com[Plex] | iirc ? |
| 01:44:29 | Com[Plex] | whats iirc? |
| 01:44:34 | kergoth | if i recall correctly |
| 01:44:34 | Com[Plex] | if I read corectlty |
| 01:44:53 | Com[Plex] | at this link, http://more.sbc.co.jp/slj/download.asp The latest FlashROM image file to update your SL-5000D, with different ramdisk(6MB):heap(26MB) allocation. The rest of the software is the same as romimage version 1.12. |
| 01:44:59 | ljp-- | I wonder how many people will try to install the 5500 on a 5000d |
| 01:45:07 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: like i said |
| 01:45:15 | kergoth | ljp--: hehe.. dunno |
| 01:45:24 | kergoth | ljp--: the nomtdram works on both 5000 and 5500.. |
| 01:45:35 | ljp-- | whats that one? |
| 01:45:38 | kergoth | ljp--: no ramdisk.. and 32 or 64 megs of ram, depending on which unit |
| 01:45:49 | kergoth | ljp--: for the sd/cf on home people |
| 01:45:51 | ljp-- | ahh |
| 01:45:51 | kergoth | :-) |
| 01:45:53 | Hellaenergy | sceries off to install 1.13 |
| 01:46:23 | Hellaenergy | kergoth you better be outside right now :) |
| 01:46:23 | roge99 | kergoth: do you have the roms released yet ? |
| 01:46:41 | Com[Plex] | well, im gonna try the 1.12 rom |
| 01:46:44 | kergoth | Hellaenergy: man this weather rocks. i was so close to playin hookie today |
| 01:46:51 | Hellaenergy | I am bout to bust our Hellazaurus and go out |
| 01:46:54 | kergoth | roge99: beta 2 is.. beta 3 will be out in an hour or so |
| 01:47:01 | roge99 | url |
| 01:47:04 | Hellaenergy | our out |
| 01:47:04 | kergoth | roge99: hehe. you can upgrade beta 2 -> beta 3 with a couple newer ipks :-) |
| 01:47:13 | kergoth | man read the topic people ;-) |
| 01:47:18 | kergoth | http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/ |
| 01:47:49 | Hellaenergy | the topic gives the sharpsec site |
| 01:47:51 | kergoth | beta 2 is REALLY weak atm.. you need my beta3 updated packages if you switch. currently theres no wlan, no hotplug, no install to sd/cf |
| 01:47:59 | kergoth | Hellaenergy: i was referring to the 'oz3 highly beta out' |
| 01:48:00 | roge99 | ahh |
| 01:48:02 | kergoth | ;-) |
| 01:48:20 | Hellaenergy | does OZ 3 beta 3 come as a whole? |
| 01:48:25 | Hellaenergy | I haven't installed 2 |
| 01:48:32 | Hellaenergy | and I'm feelin lazy |
| 01:48:43 | Hellaenergy | ...............................] |
| 01:48:48 | kergoth | Hellaenergy: if you're feelin lazy, dont touch beta2 |
| 01:48:51 | kergoth | wait for beta 3 at least |
| 01:48:57 | Hellaenergy | I will |
| 01:49:06 | Hellaenergy | wlan? email? |
| 01:49:38 | Hellaenergy | maybe I'll go hold up sharp for their e-mail app |
| 01:49:52 | Hellaenergy | I like JPortScan too |
| 01:50:00 | Hellaenergy | waaaaa |
| 01:50:16 | Hellaenergy | has left the building |
| 01:50:48 | roge99 | kergoth: so youll have beta 3 out tonight |
| 01:52:39 | kergoth | yeah quite soon |
| 01:52:45 | kergoth | roge99: also, i have a feed up |
| 01:52:55 | roge99 | should i wait ? |
| 01:52:58 | kergoth | roge99: so you'll be able to upgrade beta versions directly from the feed with ipkg update & ipkg upgrade |
| 01:53:26 | kergoth | roge99: either wait until beta 3, or at least grab my newer ipks to update beta2 |
| 01:53:33 | roge99 | breaks out power supply and cf/usb adaptor |
| 01:53:58 | kergoth | roge99: I'll add my updated ipks to the feed.. so you can wget them and put them on the CF card |
| 01:53:59 | roge99 | did you strip the modules ?? :-P |
| 01:54:01 | kergoth | roge99: hotplug doesnt work yet |
| 01:54:05 | kergoth | roge99: hell no :-) |
| 01:54:28 | ljp-- | heh strip the modules. hehehehehe |
| 01:54:49 | kergoth | s/modules/models/; |
| 01:54:51 | kergoth | there we go |
| 01:54:52 | kergoth | hehe |
| 01:55:26 | roge99 | hotplug dosent work ? can you mount cards by hand ? |
| 01:55:41 | kergoth | roge99: cf cards work, sd cards work |
| 01:55:47 | kergoth | roge99: its just usb networking that doesnt.. and other things |
| 01:55:53 | roge99 | ahh |
| 01:55:54 | roge99 | ok |
| 01:57:43 | kergoth | other than the numerous quirks, things are going well |
| 01:57:43 | kergoth | hehe |
| 01:58:24 | Com[Plex] | well, im gonna try flashing the rom with wince |
| 01:58:26 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 01:58:36 | Com[Plex] | wish me luck |
| 01:58:44 | kergoth | ack |
| 01:58:44 | kergoth | hehe |
| 01:58:44 | kergoth | no! |
| 01:58:44 | kergoth | :P |
| 01:59:00 | Com[Plex] | hehe |
| 01:59:32 | Com[Plex] | is it okay i I have some other files on the cf card when I flash if they are in a folder? |
| 01:59:42 | kergoth | yep |
| 01:59:45 | Com[Plex] | k |
| 01:59:45 | kergoth | my cf card is full of shit |
| 01:59:47 | kergoth | :-) |
| 02:02:36 | Com[Plex] | flashing has begun |
| 02:02:37 | roge99 | i thought you werent suppoed to have other files in there ? |
| 02:02:44 | Com[Plex] | this isnt gonne work. I know its not. |
| 02:02:49 | Com[Plex] | but the lights are on :> |
| 02:02:58 | Com[Plex] | if uit boots, ima shit my britches |
| 02:03:06 | kergoth | roge99: seems to work fine.. |
| 02:03:41 | roge99 | ill give it a whack |
| 02:03:41 | kergoth | has flashed his Z like a hundred times.. at least |
| 02:03:43 | kergoth | hehe |
| 02:04:00 | Com[Plex] | uh oh |
| 02:04:10 | Com[Plex] | whats it mean when bioth lights are blinking together? |
| 02:04:13 | kergoth | has anyone tried that kgrok app yet? looks nifty |
| 02:04:16 | Com[Plex] | bunk flash? |
| 02:04:25 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: the rom was usually corrupt |
| 02:04:29 | Com[Plex] | k |
| 02:04:31 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: I get that if i flash a rom thats too large.. |
| 02:04:36 | Com[Plex] | hmm |
| 02:04:37 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: or if i flash a rom thats full of 0xFFs |
| 02:04:40 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:04:47 | Com[Plex] | and that means its bunk, right/ |
| 02:04:48 | Com[Plex] | ? |
| 02:04:57 | kergoth | yeah usually |
| 02:05:16 | kergoth | just reflash with another rom |
| 02:05:17 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:05:33 | ljp-- | hey kergoth: hows that 0xFF rom run anyway? :D |
| 02:05:51 | Com[Plex] | its booting.. msut not have flashed ti with anything. |
| 02:05:59 | kergoth | ljp--: hehe. pretty well.. if all you want to do is format the mtd device :-) |
| 02:06:50 | roge99 | nomtdram ? |
| 02:06:55 | roge99 | all ram ! |
| 02:07:06 | roge99 | hows it run ? |
| 02:07:08 | kergoth | roge99: yep. that'll work on either a 5500 or a 5000d |
| 02:07:18 | kergoth | remember you still have the 16mb of flash |
| 02:07:24 | kergoth | which is of course writable |
| 02:07:32 | roge99 | yea which is ... beat me to it |
| 02:07:48 | kergoth | but i need to finish the ipkg instlal to cf/sd to make it really useful :-) |
| 02:07:52 | kergoth | s/instlal/install/ |
| 02:07:53 | Com[Plex] | are you guys joking? what is this "0xFF" rom? |
| 02:08:14 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: I created a initrd.bin which consisted of 0xff's.. thats all |
| 02:08:24 | Com[Plex] | oh.. |
| 02:08:28 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: because i kept having remnants of previous root filesystems when i'd flash |
| 02:08:33 | roge99 | usen it to erase the rom ? |
| 02:08:39 | Com[Plex] | /REALLY?/ |
| 02:08:42 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: flashing with 0xff's formatted the mtd device, essentially |
| 02:08:48 | Com[Plex] | wow. holy shit |
| 02:08:57 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: it only happens if you use a initrd.bin, not a romimage.. and only if your initrd.bin is smaller than the max size |
| 02:09:08 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: and only if the rootfs is jffs2, not cramfs |
| 02:09:10 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: hehe |
| 02:09:29 | kergoth | has had WAY too much fun with roms |
| 02:10:02 | Com[Plex] | what is an initrd.bin ? |
| 02:10:12 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: you can flash the root filesystem adn the kernel individually |
| 02:10:23 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: rather than doing the whole romimage (bootloader + kernel + root fs.. etc..) |
| 02:10:30 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: initrd.bin = root filesystem, zImage = kernel |
| 02:10:33 | Com[Plex] | really? nice |
| 02:10:36 | kergoth | yeah |
| 02:10:51 | kergoth | see using zImage + initrd.bin is safer.. because you arent flashing your bootloader.. no danger of bricking the unit |
| 02:10:59 | Com[Plex] | so.. - in Oz3, is the kernel still 2.4.6 ? or has it gone up? |
| 02:11:11 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: its 2.4.6 until someone ports the collie stuff to a newer kernel |
| 02:11:13 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:11:14 | Com[Plex] | and a ROMIMAGE could brick the thing? |
| 02:11:18 | kergoth | i dont have time for EVERYTHING |
| 02:11:18 | Com[Plex] | I thought it was hardcoded |
| 02:11:22 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: if its corrupt, in a certain way |
| 02:11:26 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: the bootloader is in flash.. |
| 02:11:30 | Com[Plex] | well fuck |
| 02:11:41 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: which means it can conceivably be fucked, if your romimage file is corrupt in a certain area of the file |
| 02:11:45 | Com[Plex] | will sharp unbrick bricked units? |
| 02:11:49 | kergoth | no idea |
| 02:11:52 | Com[Plex] | hmm |
| 02:12:02 | kergoth | sharp shouldnt be distributing 'romimage's for updates, imho |
| 02:12:10 | kergoth | unless they update the bootloader |
| 02:12:11 | Com[Plex] | I hear that ipaq usaers are bricking things daily. and compaqs fixin em |
| 02:12:20 | Com[Plex] | hmm |
| 02:12:32 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: compaq charges a fair bit for that.. CRL labs does it for free |
| 02:12:37 | kergoth | as i understand it anyway |
| 02:12:39 | kergoth | i dont have an ipaq |
| 02:13:00 | Com[Plex] | CRL labs? |
| 02:13:03 | kergoth | ljp--: just updated the device table.. you dont need to extract the devices anymore in beta3 |
| 02:13:11 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: its a research lab .. they run handhelds.org |
| 02:13:16 | Com[Plex] | ahh |
| 02:13:56 | ljp-- | ohh darn it! thats like a secret code you need to get in! :) |
| 02:14:00 | kergoth | lol.. |
| 02:14:07 | Com[Plex] | ? |
| 02:14:19 | kergoth | roge99: fyi, you need to cd /; tar -xvf root/.dev_default.tar; # in order to be able to do a damn thing with beta2 |
| 02:14:21 | kergoth | roge99: hehe |
| 02:14:39 | ljp-- | hmmm tab editor... |
| 02:14:52 | roge99 | ahh thats a useful bit of info |
| 02:15:13 | kergoth | we need a general launcher config app imo.. for appearance, tab changing, taskbar config (mru vs running apps list) .. |
| 02:15:18 | kergoth | roge99: yeah it helps :-) |
| 02:15:30 | kergoth | roge99: oh and you need to install libopie from my feed in order to boot opie |
| 02:15:39 | roge99 | ahh |
| 02:15:51 | kergoth | alright, now i write my stupid little ipkg wrapper to create the symlinks.. |
| 02:15:54 | ljp-- | maybe a part of appearance..? |
| 02:15:57 | kergoth | for alternate destinations |
| 02:15:57 | roge99 | just finished dl'n |
| 02:15:58 | kergoth | hmm |
| 02:16:03 | kergoth | ljp--: hmm perhaps |
| 02:16:06 | kergoth | roge99: cool |
| 02:16:11 | kergoth | brb, bug fixing oz3 |
| 02:16:15 | ljp-- | I'm almost finished with 'formatter' |
| 02:16:38 | ljp-- | not sure what to do about fdisk, tho |
| 02:17:20 | Com[Plex] | ljp--: what are you Doing to formatter? |
| 02:17:36 | Com[Plex] | or rather, what did you have to do? |
| 02:18:30 | ljp-- | I made a disk formatting app.. kinda silly really |
| 02:19:06 | ljp-- | is there an app called formatter already? |
| 02:20:15 | Com[Plex] | uh - dunno |
| 02:21:20 | Com[Plex] | this fuckign WHORE |
| 02:21:27 | Com[Plex] | STILL wont let me install to SD |
| 02:22:26 | Com[Plex] | warmi! |
| 02:22:34 | warmi | hi |
| 02:22:36 | warmi | what's up ? |
| 02:22:42 | Com[Plex] | level 76 with 54 secdonds left :> |
| 02:22:44 | Com[Plex] | 7 |
| 02:23:01 | warmi | haha |
| 02:23:15 | warmi | like the game ? |
| 02:23:19 | Com[Plex] | where is someone from tkc when you want to whine abotu not beign able to imstall to SD... |
| 02:23:20 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 02:23:22 | ljp-- | I need an icon... |
| 02:23:23 | Com[Plex] | I LOVE that game! |
| 02:23:29 | Com[Plex] | ljp, icon for what? |
| 02:23:43 | ljp-- | a new app |
| 02:23:48 | Com[Plex] | I meant, what app |
| 02:23:50 | Com[Plex] | name the app |
| 02:23:55 | Com[Plex] | Im an artist |
| 02:23:57 | ljp-- | formatter :) |
| 02:24:01 | Com[Plex] | oh.. |
| 02:24:08 | Com[Plex] | k, one second |
| 02:24:09 | ljp-- | hehehe |
| 02:24:16 | Com[Plex] | round or square? |
| 02:24:21 | Com[Plex] | - round, its under settings |
| 02:24:46 | ljp-- | hmm I suppose it could go in settings.. |
| 02:24:49 | warmi | are you serious about this artist thing complex ? |
| 02:24:56 | BigBoss | complex what is your problem? |
| 02:25:02 | ljp-- | hehehe |
| 02:25:06 | BigBoss | asking and not being cruel :) |
| 02:25:21 | BigBoss | hey, we hit zdnet too http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1103-881957.html |
| 02:25:24 | kergoth | arg i need to automate these kernel builds |
| 02:25:34 | kergoth | I have to manually build the 4 oz3 kernels.. |
| 02:25:36 | kergoth | mutters |
| 02:25:37 | Com[Plex] | oh, ipkg says something when wrong. cant isntall jabber to SD. - I tried the other rom too. 1.12 |
| 02:25:54 | Com[Plex] | its actually not a big deal. 1.12 has lots of storage space on it |
| 02:26:21 | Com[Plex] | and wuake doesnt run. anyone tried playign quake? |
| 02:26:41 | warmi | huh .... not on 5000 maybe on 5500 with more memory |
| 02:27:01 | BigBoss | complex: a couple people have commented on problems installing only jabber to SD |
| 02:27:06 | Com[Plex] | bb, I tried isntalling jabber first, and all the other apps to SD and then the kompany pkg last, but never got passed jabber not installing to SD |
| 02:27:11 | BigBoss | not sure what the deal is, not having an SD card makes it hard to test |
| 02:27:18 | Com[Plex] | heh, yeah |
| 02:27:20 | roge99 | hmmm |
| 02:27:31 | roge99 | Com[Plex]: i didnt install jabber first |
| 02:27:47 | Com[Plex] | - is there a way to install to SD from ipkg on the console? |
| 02:27:58 | Com[Plex] | roge, yeah? what order? approx |
| 02:27:59 | roge99 | try installing another one first and then jabber |
| 02:28:00 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: no |
| 02:28:03 | ljp-- | I found adding $PKG_ROOT in the control file helps.. or it seemed to help |
| 02:28:11 | roge99 | I dont remember |
| 02:28:13 | ljp-- | at least to install to cf |
| 02:28:14 | Com[Plex] | I instaled a few, and went to jabber - in order of appearance |
| 02:28:15 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: but you can run qinstall from konsole and see some errors though |
| 02:28:19 | BigBoss | I think max has some script or method to do it, but I just use the install software |
| 02:28:23 | kergoth | k, i'm gonna go get dinner |
| 02:28:28 | Com[Plex] | ljp--: control file? |
| 02:28:29 | BigBoss | which is strangly different between the two units I have |
| 02:28:50 | roge99 | kergoth`food: where is that opie lib i need |
| 02:29:12 | ljp-- | Com: when making the ipkg. |
| 02:29:22 | Com[Plex] | oh.. :< |
| 02:30:04 | ljp-- | gutenbrowser would not install to cf until I added something like Files: $PKG_ROOT/bin/ |
| 02:30:57 | BigBoss | looks like lineo is going to survive |
| 02:30:58 | BigBoss | http://newsforge.com/newsforge/02/04/12/2042218.shtml?tid=3 |
| 02:30:59 | | openzaurus is probably a Community version of the root filesystem / romimage for the Sharp Zaurus SL-5000d PDA. The Sourceforge site is at: http://sourceforge.net/projects/openzaurus |
| 02:30:59 | ljp-- | ibot openzaurus |
| 02:31:08 | | feed is a package repository or http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds or http://www.zauruszone.com/feed/ |
| 02:31:08 | ljp-- | ibot feed |
| 02:31:35 | Com[Plex] | okay, heres some errors... |
| 02:31:47 | ljp-- | I dont see how lineo could NOT survive with that Sharp contract |
| 02:32:31 | Com[Plex] | uh wait.. - theres a bunch of errors when trying to bail out. the cleanup after canceleld install |
| 02:32:44 | Com[Plex] | just a bunch of files trying to be deleted and failing.. |
| 02:33:10 | BigBoss | ljp: how much you think they got? |
| 02:33:25 | BigBoss | the money wouldn't cover more than a few months of bills by my estimation |
| 02:33:56 | Com[Plex] | cannot remove /opt/qtpalmtop/i18n/de/tkcjabber.qm' no such file |
| 02:34:20 | Com[Plex] | oh heres one, |
| 02:35:41 | Com[Plex] | mv: cannot create symlink '/var/mnt/card/QtPalmtop/plugins/applets/libtkc jabber.so': operation not permitted. |
| 02:39:54 | ][N-Flux | needs help |
| 02:40:01 | ][N-Flux | anyone with the oz beta? |
| 02:41:07 | Com[Plex] | fyi, you need to cd /; tar -xvf root/.dev_default.tar; # in order to be able to do a damn thing with beta2 |
| 02:41:14 | Com[Plex] | paste |
| 02:41:56 | roge99 | just installed it |
| 02:42:01 | ljp-- | flux: wait a few hours for beta 3 |
| 02:42:12 | Com[Plex] | ooh :> |
| 02:42:21 | ][N-Flux | few as in 3 or few as in like 6 :) |
| 02:42:23 | MEGASTeP | is away: I'm away, dammit |
| 02:42:55 | ljp-- | BigBoss: I read Lineo gets royalties on each unit sold.. but not until next year... |
| 02:43:16 | Com[Plex] | what does lineo make? |
| 02:43:25 | BigBoss | I've got no idea |
| 02:43:28 | ljp-- | Embedix |
| 02:43:35 | BigBoss | but there should be a minimum |
| 02:43:50 | ljp-- | true. |
| 02:43:52 | BigBoss | in any case, it isn't survival money for a company pissing it away like that |
| 02:44:10 | ][N-Flux | waits |
| 02:44:30 | BigBoss | the problem is this crap came at a very bad time for Lineo |
| 02:44:31 | ljp-- | no, but its potential money for funding.. |
| 02:44:41 | BigBoss | they were just finding a stride and then faltered big time |
| 02:44:53 | BigBoss | a company like lineo doesn't need offices all over the world |
| 02:45:02 | BigBoss | especially $40,000 a month offices in silicon valley |
| 02:45:12 | BigBoss | look at Monta Vistas web site, they've got like 20 office |
| 02:45:15 | BigBoss | why on earth for? |
| 02:45:22 | ljp-- | exactly |
| 02:45:31 | warmi | dot-com era relics |
| 02:45:39 | ljp-- | heheh |
| 02:45:57 | ljp-- | TheKompany has 'offices' all over the world :D |
| 02:46:18 | warmi | and "office space" in Moscow is not that cheap |
| 02:46:20 | BigBoss | I've got *people* all over the word |
| 02:46:22 | warmi | heh |
| 02:46:35 | BigBoss | if you call each of their houses offices, then yes, we have a huge number of offices all over the world :) |
| 02:46:48 | ljp-- | yep.. thats why I used quotes |
| 02:46:57 | warmi | seriously, I read that office space in some parts of Moscow is just as expesive as it is in NYC |
| 02:47:25 | BigBoss | moscow is a major city |
| 02:47:28 | Com[Plex] | hey warmi, - are you /selling/ copies of the full fledged game yet? |
| 02:47:32 | ljp-- | hmm isnt max in russia? |
| 02:47:44 | BigBoss | yep, in Moscow as it happens |
| 02:47:48 | BigBoss | along with another developer of ours |
| 02:47:51 | warmi | Com: no, most likely I wil start on Sunday or so |
| 02:47:58 | BigBoss | we have about 5 people in Iasi Romania |
| 02:48:14 | BigBoss | people in Italy, England, Canada, Germany, Ukraine |
| 02:48:23 | BigBoss | maybe some other places I can't remember too :) |
| 02:48:35 | warmi | anyone in US BB ? |
| 02:48:36 | warmi | hehe |
| 02:49:07 | BigBoss | me, the CFO, the accountant and 1 ad-hoc guy, and 1 software partner |
| 02:49:18 | BigBoss | the only person I ever fired was in the US :) |
| 02:49:22 | warmi | Complex: it will be cheap .. $9.95 I am not planning to make living off of it ... it was mainly fun project |
| 02:49:30 | warmi | hahaha |
| 02:50:21 | BigBoss | almost time for Farscape |
| 02:51:35 | warmi | well, BB you are doing it smart way .... if only Lineo folks were as smart |
| 02:52:31 | BigBoss | well they are smarter than me in that they have secured essentially $100 Million in funding and I'm self funded |
| 02:52:50 | warmi | which they managed to blow away |
| 02:53:34 | warmi | frankly, they are not all that different that your average "women.com" from couple of years ago .. |
| 02:53:35 | warmi | :-) |
| 02:54:19 | Com[Plex] | huh? |
| 02:54:24 | Com[Plex] | trhey got 100 million? |
| 02:54:26 | Com[Plex] | they |
| 02:54:51 | ljp-- | years ago they did |
| 02:55:00 | Com[Plex] | jeeesus |
| 02:55:05 | warmi | yeah, I think it was mentioned in the article slashdot was linked to couple fo weeks ag |
| 02:55:33 | warmi | they were blowing away like 40 k per month on office expenses etc .. |
| 02:56:59 | roge99 | where is kergoths feed ? |
| 02:57:11 | | i think feed is a package repository or http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds or http://www.zauruszone.com/feed/ |
| 02:57:11 | Com[Plex] | ibot feed |
| 02:57:18 | | opie is at opie.handhelds.org and in the Channel #Opie |
| 02:57:18 | Com[Plex] | ibot opie |
| 02:57:22 | Com[Plex] | err |
| 02:57:30 | | Com[Plex]: what? |
| 02:57:30 | Com[Plex] | ibot oz |
| 02:57:33 | Com[Plex] | hehe |
| 03:12:03 | ][N-Flux | burp |
| 03:12:43 | ][N-Flux | excuse me |
| 03:13:07 | NeoTron | warmi: it was 40k per month in RENT for ONE office for _10_ people, i.e $4/k/month per person working in that office |
| 03:14:00 | NeoTron | according to that article that is |
| 03:15:53 | warmi | yeah, I knew it was something outrageous |
| 03:16:32 | warmi | this default file manager on Z is quite useless |
| 03:17:37 | NeoTron | yeah |
| 03:17:49 | NeoTron | it's not even in the 5500 models anyway |
| 03:18:32 | warmi | anyone here tried tkcFileMager ... normally command line is good enough but on Z is kind a pain in the ass |
| 03:19:53 | NeoTron | I must admit I generally end up doing command line stuff rahter |
| 03:19:59 | warmi | well, I am gonna buy it, its only $ 10 anyway |
| 03:20:15 | BigBoss | it's tkcExplorer :) |
| 03:20:23 | warmi | I know but things like having to press FN to get - are annoying on Z |
| 03:20:28 | NeoTron | like Windows Explorer. :P |
| 03:20:33 | NeoTron | warmi: true |
| 03:20:42 | BigBoss | it totaly bypasses what Sharp and Trolltech would like us to do |
| 03:20:46 | BigBoss | full access to the file system |
| 03:20:57 | BigBoss | you get that in tkcEditor as well |
| 03:21:05 | warmi | damn handango is down again |
| 03:21:13 | BigBoss | next major release of Explorer will launch programs associated with files |
| 03:21:22 | BigBoss | go to thekompany.com/embedded and buy then :) |
| 03:21:31 | warmi | well, I was thinking about tckEditor but then on 5000 one can hardly do any programming |
| 03:21:40 | warmi | there is simply not enough memory |
| 03:22:04 | NeoTron | swap on CF. :) |
| 03:22:20 | BigBoss | it's just a damn handy editor |
| 03:22:45 | warmi | yeah, I know ... Qtopia editor is a joke and opie , while better, still not good enough |
| 03:24:07 | BigBoss | I just can't imagine an editor that doesn't let me open whatever damn file I want to open |
| 03:24:48 | warmi | exactly, completely useless |
| 03:26:24 | BigBoss | sharp complained to me that our editor allowed you to open anything |
| 03:26:59 | warmi | you kidding me |
| 03:27:41 | warmi | well, they don;t want people poking around and screwing things on the file system |
| 03:28:11 | warmi | and, since everyone gets to be root on that box, it is relatively easy to mess up |
| 03:28:15 | BigBoss | sounds like MS big brotherhood to me |
| 03:29:02 | warmi | yeah ... this wouldn't be such limitation if it weren't for completely botched implementation of qtopia document paragrim |
| 03:29:24 | warmi | it simply sucks .. I tend to save my files AWAY from cf and document monitored dirs |
| 03:29:35 | warmi | because otherwise Ic an't find stuff :-) |
| 03:30:14 | warmi | damn ... Konqueror does not support https |
| 03:30:17 | BigBoss | exactly. I ran into this trying to open some C++ code on the CF card |
| 03:30:24 | BigBoss | couldn't do it with their editor |
| 03:30:41 | warmi | BB: do you have checkout option without https ? |
| 03:31:02 | BigBoss | I don't think so, but konqueror does https |
| 03:31:16 | warmi | well, I am gonna use good old netscape then ( I am talking about tkekompany.com store) |
| 03:31:34 | warmi | not mine .. I am still running KDE 2.2.2 |
| 03:32:01 | ][N-Flux | kde3 |
| 03:32:04 | ][N-Flux | wh00p |
| 03:32:21 | warmi | yeah, I know .. just don't have a time now |
| 03:32:31 | ][N-Flux | what distro? |
| 03:32:32 | warmi | KDE compilation ties my machine for like 4 hours :-) |
| 03:32:35 | warmi | RH |
| 03:32:50 | warmi | I always install KDE from the source ... I had too many problems otherwise |
| 03:33:12 | ][N-Flux | yeah, did a install of gentoo |
| 03:33:21 | ][N-Flux | took a few days to do it all :) |
| 03:33:24 | BigBoss | I was going to try gentoo, but I love debian too much |
| 03:33:25 | warmi | heheh |
| 03:33:37 | ][N-Flux | gentoo is nice and light |
| 03:33:45 | ][N-Flux | kde3 compiled nice too |
| 03:33:57 | warmi | uhh .. I tried Debian but just could get pass their pkg tool .. fuck, I mean I code for living but that was just too nasty |
| 03:34:12 | NeoTron | apt-get kicks major ass |
| 03:34:13 | warmi | like somebody came up with the most difficult and convulted way for package manager |
| 03:34:24 | NeoTron | the package manager thing suck ass too |
| 03:34:32 | NeoTron | s/too/though/ |
| 03:34:34 | ][N-Flux | emerge kicks ass |
| 03:34:54 | warmi | I run RH since like 1997 or so ... |
| 03:35:03 | warmi | good enough for me |
| 03:35:17 | BigBoss | it took a week to install debian on my apple laptop, I was ready to give up, but it's nice now that its there |
| 03:35:34 | warmi | beside, I don't like Debian GNU/Linux religious zealotry |
| 03:35:43 | riskable | Evening folks |
| 03:35:49 | ][N-Flux | I've used slack/mandrake/redhat |
| 03:35:51 | warmi | hi riskable |
| 03:36:08 | ][N-Flux | redhat has become much better, but alot of unneeded crap in there |
| 03:36:49 | riskable | Zaurus.LovesLinux.com got over 11,000 page views today |
| 03:36:58 | riskable | ...and my DSL handled it =) |
| 03:37:10 | warmi | hehe |
| 03:37:13 | riskable | Thanks to my fine image optimization skillz |
| 03:37:15 | warmi | good for you riskable :-) |
| 03:37:18 | riskable | :) |
| 03:37:59 | kergoth`food | re |
| 03:38:17 | ][N-Flux | hdey kergoth |
| 03:38:21 | kergoth | roge99: |
| 03:38:25 | | oz3 feed is probably at http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/feeds/3.0/ |
| 03:38:25 | kergoth | ibot: oz3 feed? |
| 03:38:27 | kergoth | hey ][N-Flux |
| 03:38:38 | kergoth | roge99: the libopie ipk is at the feed |
| 03:38:53 | ][N-Flux | beta 3 ready yet :) |
| 03:41:18 | kergoth | working on it.. I'd like to add installing ipks to cf/sd.. |
| 03:41:28 | ][N-Flux | indeed |
| 03:41:35 | ][N-Flux | nice feature |
| 03:41:37 | kergoth | i'll probably do that, then release oz3 beta3 |
| 03:41:49 | kergoth | lets see.. 10:39 here.. ive got plenty of time |
| 03:41:50 | kergoth | heheh |
| 03:42:06 | ][N-Flux | 11:43 here need sleep :) |
| 03:42:07 | kergoth | theres this weird ass behavior on my Z |
| 03:42:13 | kergoth | if i boot up the unit directly into console.. |
| 03:42:15 | kergoth | i can suspend fine |
| 03:42:21 | kergoth | if i boot up into opie, then shutdown opie.. |
| 03:42:26 | kergoth | i cant suspend by holding cancel anymore |
| 03:42:32 | kergoth | i have to manually run apm --suspend |
| 03:42:34 | kergoth | its odd |
| 03:42:35 | ][N-Flux | hrmmmmm |
| 03:42:46 | kergoth | i think opie is doing something, and not putting it back the way it was when its done |
| 03:42:54 | kergoth | i remember fastolfe talking about qtopia doing that |
| 03:43:04 | kergoth | so thats one more opie bug to dig into |
| 03:49:44 | BigBoss | hey Riskable: glad to hear you held up :) |
| 03:49:58 | BigBoss | the review only made it as a talkback in slashdot, but it got linked on LT today as well |
| 03:50:03 | BigBoss | didn't notice any others |
| 03:55:28 | riskable | Newsforge linked me |
| 03:55:36 | riskable | Got a lot of referrers from there |
| 03:56:01 | riskable | The largest pack was from LinuxToday though |
| 03:56:19 | riskable | ...which is surprising considering I personally modded up the comment on Slashdot that linked to my site =) |
| 03:56:41 | riskable | So first place: LinuxToday with 624 referrers |
| 03:56:49 | riskable | Second place: thekompany.com :) |
| 03:56:59 | riskable | Third: LinuxDevices.com (still going strong!) |
| 03:57:17 | riskable | Fourth: Newbreedsoftware's Zaurus FAQ |
| 03:57:23 | BigBoss | wow, that many from our home page? |
| 03:57:27 | riskable | Fifth: warmi.net/zaurus |
| 03:57:29 | BigBoss | that means we get a lot of hits then :) |
| 03:57:37 | riskable | Sixth: NewsForge |
| 03:57:55 | riskable | ...and finally Slashdot in Seventh (wow) |
| 03:57:59 | BigBoss | strange |
| 03:58:03 | ][N-Flux | needs sleep |
| 03:58:04 | riskable | I guess not that many people read the comments |
| 03:58:08 | ][N-Flux | is away: bed time |
| 03:58:26 | warmi | fifth from my puny site |
| 03:58:27 | warmi | ? |
| 03:58:29 | warmi | hehe |
| 03:58:39 | riskable | I got 115 referrers from you =) |
| 03:59:08 | warmi | hehe |
| 03:59:44 | riskable | The numbers aren't that accurate |
| 04:00:58 | warmi | how many you got from the /. comment ? |
| 04:02:28 | riskable | 61+34+8+6... +4 from slashdot.jp! |
| 04:02:41 | riskable | The reason they're + is because there are different referrers |
| 04:02:52 | riskable | i.e. somehow the people had a different URL when they visited my site |
| 04:03:07 | warmi | most likely multiple /. servers or something like that |
| 04:03:33 | warmi | anyway, so you got 11 K ... |
| 04:04:08 | warmi | you get an email from your service provider remainding you that this is residential DSL line ... |
| 04:04:20 | warmi | you will get an email , I mean |
| 04:04:30 | roge99 | kergoth: I'll be able to upgrade this by adding some ipk's or will i need to re-flash |
| 04:04:33 | riskable | Nahh, I have SpeakEasy =) |
| 04:05:06 | JasonNJ2 | yo. |
| 04:05:10 | warmi | hi |
| 04:05:36 | BigBoss | hey Jason |
| 04:05:40 | BigBoss | wasn't able to reach Spencer today |
| 04:05:48 | peanut | waves |
| 04:05:48 | JasonNJ2 | sokay, he's in on monday |
| 04:05:53 | warmi | hi peanut |
| 04:06:00 | peanut | nods.. |
| 04:06:06 | roge99 | hey JasonNJ |
| 04:06:08 | roge99 | hey peanut |
| 04:06:16 | BigBoss | jason: you see the lineo news on newsforge? |
| 04:06:22 | BigBoss | apparently Canopy is going to cover them |
| 04:06:27 | JasonNJ2 | MORE lineo news? |
| 04:06:33 | JasonNJ2 | nice. |
| 04:06:46 | BigBoss | check it out |
| 04:07:00 | riskable | NICE |
| 04:07:09 | kergoth | roge99: you can upgrade to beta 3 via ipks |
| 04:07:27 | roge99 | cool |
| 04:07:37 | kergoth | roge99: so far you need 3 of my updated ipks.. hold on, i'll put them in the feed |
| 04:07:43 | peanut | thats excellent news |
| 04:07:44 | kergoth | roge99: then you can wget them and put them onto cf and install them |
| 04:07:58 | roge99 | hrmm |
| 04:08:04 | roge99 | i may need to reflash |
| 04:08:08 | kergoth | roge99: why? |
| 04:08:09 | riskable | races to post the news and smacks himself for spending too much time at the lathe tonight |
| 04:08:11 | peanut | kergoth: oz3 is finished? |
| 04:08:16 | roge99 | you said no install to sd/df right ? |
| 04:08:20 | kergoth | peanut: no.. just about at beta 3 at this point |
| 04:08:24 | JasonNJ2 | peanut: uh.. not. |
| 04:08:27 | kergoth | roge99: not until i finish the script i'm writing right now |
| 04:08:31 | JasonNJ2 | qpe wont even start! |
| 04:08:32 | roge99 | i opted for the all-ram kernel |
| 04:08:35 | kergoth | JasonNJ2: qpe starts now |
| 04:08:39 | JasonNJ2 | it does? |
| 04:08:45 | JasonNJ2 | when did you updated the initrd? |
| 04:08:47 | kergoth | JasonNJ2: yep.. the devices are there by default too |
| 04:08:52 | kergoth | JasonNJ2: i havent updated initrd yet |
| 04:08:58 | JasonNJ2 | oh the kernel? |
| 04:09:01 | kergoth | JasonNJ2: but i made 3 updated ipks that i installed into beta2... |
| 04:09:04 | kergoth | no same kernel |
| 04:09:10 | kergoth | i just installed updated ipks that fixed the bugs |
| 04:09:11 | kergoth | ;-) |
| 04:09:16 | JasonNJ2 | ah. |
| 04:09:21 | kergoth | after i fixed the bugs and created the ipks of course |
| 04:09:25 | JasonNJ2 | so you posted an updated initrd on SF then? |
| 04:09:36 | kergoth | JasonNJ2: not yet, i'm fixing install to cf/sd first |
| 04:09:51 | JasonNJ2 | ah so qpe boots on your stuff |
| 04:09:54 | JasonNJ2 | its not on sf net |
| 04:09:59 | kergoth | yup |
| 04:09:59 | peanut | kewl.. |
| 04:10:03 | peanut | beta2_32-32 |
| 04:10:08 | kergoth | but you can download and install the updated ipks.. |
| 04:10:08 | kergoth | hehe |
| 04:10:09 | peanut | how many 55 users do you think we'll get? |
| 04:10:19 | JasonNJ2 | er, I want it working from the start! |
| 04:10:22 | JasonNJ2 | :) |
| 04:10:31 | kergoth | JasonNJ2: it will once the beta3 initrd is up there :-) |
| 04:10:41 | kergoth | JasonNJ2: but again i want install to cf/sd/mtdram working first. |
| 04:10:48 | kergoth | JasonNJ2: because then it'll actually be usable |
| 04:10:48 | kergoth | hehe |
| 04:11:11 | JasonNJ2 | bigboss: good to hear that lineo is having some life breathed into them |
| 04:11:18 | JasonNJ2 | at least they can be focused now. |
| 04:11:49 | kergoth | roge99: |
| 04:12:18 | kergoth | roge99: you can grab hotplug_2002_01_14-1, pcmcia-cs_3.1.33-1, and oz-base_0.1-1 .. those fix some of the bugs so far |
| 04:12:40 | roge99 | i'm on it ! |
| 04:15:46 | kergoth | shit |
| 04:15:49 | kergoth | i lost my stylus again |
| 04:17:52 | ][N-Flux | wants to sleep |
| 04:17:56 | ][N-Flux | damn insmnia |
| 04:18:04 | ][N-Flux | yeah insomnia too |
| 04:21:32 | ][N-Flux | needs some direction |
| 04:22:01 | JasonNJ2 | kerg: whats the url of the feed? |
| 04:23:54 | | it has been said that oz3 feed is at http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/feeds/3.0/ |
| 04:23:54 | kergoth | ibot: oz3 feed? |
| 04:24:01 | roge99 | http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/feeds/3.0/ |
| 04:25:47 | ][N-Flux | now I have the .bin and Image-beta2_20-12 on my cf card, so I just flash like usual? |
| 04:25:54 | kergoth | rename them |
| 04:25:56 | kergoth | to initrd.bin and zImage |
| 04:26:10 | kergoth | create a text file containing the text 'OZ30' and save it as bootflag.txt on the card as well |
| 04:26:12 | kergoth | 'then flash as usual |
| 04:26:19 | ][N-Flux | o.k. |
| 04:26:21 | ][N-Flux | thx |
| 04:26:23 | kergoth | then go install the updated hotplug pcmcia-cs and oz-base packages |
| 04:26:28 | kergoth | and libopie from the feed |
| 04:26:38 | kergoth | and then cd /; tar xvf root/.dev_default.tar |
| 04:26:42 | kergoth | then things should be happy |
| 04:27:21 | riskable | OK, the Lineo news is posted. Time to go to bed |
| 04:27:56 | kergoth | night riskable |
| 04:29:18 | NeoTron | kergoth: so how's OZ doing? : |
| 04:30:32 | kergoth | getting there |
| 04:30:44 | kergoth | i'm writing the symlink creation/destruction ipkg wrapper for alternate destination paths for install |
| 04:31:24 | Com[Plex] | someone remind me why I put this 1.12 rom on here isntead of the 1.13 |
| 04:31:57 | Com[Plex] | that tkc paint is a huge memory hog |
| 04:32:08 | Com[Plex] | cant draw two pictures without it bitching |
| 04:32:13 | Com[Plex] | and thats with nothign else running |
| 04:32:14 | NeoTron | Com[Plex]: gesh |
| 04:32:28 | Com[Plex] | - time to flash rom 1.13 back on again I guess. |
| 04:32:29 | NeoTron | well, I use 1.12 due to install issues when you have less |
| 04:32:41 | NeoTron | since tmp isn't tmpfs you run out of disk space so easily |
| 04:32:43 | Com[Plex] | neo, do you have an SD card? |
| 04:32:47 | NeoTron | yes |
| 04:33:04 | Com[Plex] | do you have tkc paint? |
| 04:33:05 | kergoth | NeoTron: fyi, /tmp and /var are both ramfs in oz |
| 04:33:13 | peanut | yawns. |
| 04:33:15 | kergoth | now that i have a gui again i should buy some apps |
| 04:33:15 | peanut | time for sleep |
| 04:33:16 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:33:21 | NeoTron | kergoth: yes, I do indeed remember that and that is nice. :) |
| 04:33:21 | kergoth | yawns too |
| 04:33:37 | NeoTron | Buy SA and I'll get you 1.8.2 before it's released. :P |
| 04:33:49 | Com[Plex] | you made SA? |
| 04:33:54 | Com[Plex] | how much for it? |
| 04:34:04 | NeoTron | I did the Pocket PC to Zaurus porting |
| 04:34:15 | NeoTron | price is $19.99, in line with the PPC version |
| 04:34:18 | kergoth | hehe. yeah ill probably buy SA.. i havent tried about any of the handango apps yet |
| 04:34:19 | ][N-Flux | flashing :) |
| 04:34:19 | kergoth | or games |
| 04:34:27 | kergoth | cuz my Z has been stuck at a console for over a month |
| 04:34:28 | kergoth | lmao |
| 04:34:33 | NeoTron | heh |
| 04:34:39 | kergoth | my todo app was vi |
| 04:34:41 | kergoth | :-) |
| 04:34:42 | ][N-Flux | hopefully this goes better than most projects of late |
| 04:34:47 | mindglow | hallo |
| 04:34:56 | kergoth | ][N-Flux: you flashing beta 2? its highly beta :-) |
| 04:34:56 | NeoTron | ][N-Flux: speaking of projects.... |
| 04:35:01 | Com[Plex] | did you say hello? |
| 04:35:04 | NeoTron | ][N-Flux: how's the images? :P |
| 04:35:12 | NeoTron | mindglow: hullo |
| 04:35:28 | ][N-Flux | NeoTron: Lousy nothing is working, my work box is all but useless atm |
| 04:35:32 | kergoth | hmmmm wtf |
| 04:35:34 | mindglow | how are you guys tonight? |
| 04:35:35 | NeoTron | that sucks |
| 04:35:37 | kergoth | i just installed an app to mtdram |
| 04:35:38 | Com[Plex] | not dead |
| 04:35:41 | ][N-Flux | randomyl reboots |
| 04:35:42 | NeoTron | mindglow: perfectly fine. :) |
| 04:35:44 | kergoth | but its odd |
| 04:35:47 | NeoTron | kergoth: heh |
| 04:36:05 | kergoth | see, if i ipkg status databackup.. it shows it |
| 04:36:13 | kergoth | but if i ipkg files databackup, it says its not installed |
| 04:36:24 | kergoth | i have to ipkg -d mtdram files databackup to see the file list |
| 04:36:26 | kergoth | how strange |
| 04:37:13 | NeoTron | tomorrow will be a boys day. Me and Evan all alone all day. :) |
| 04:37:18 | NeoTron | Evan being my 11 mo old son |
| 04:37:25 | mindglow | im having a prob with qtopia desktop on linux... |
| 04:37:29 | ][N-Flux | MTD_write |
| 04:37:34 | kergoth | NeoTron: have a good time :-) |
| 04:37:35 | ][N-Flux | hrmmmm |
| 04:37:38 | kergoth | ][N-Flux: ignore that. its non critical |
| 04:37:38 | mindglow | boys days are cool |
| 04:37:49 | kergoth | ][N-Flux: i had the debug level too high on the mtd driver.. it tells you EVERYTHING |
| 04:37:51 | kergoth | ][N-Flux: lol |
| 04:37:51 | NeoTron | I will. Will give me nice relaxing time at the computer to when he naps. :) |
| 04:38:04 | ][N-Flux | just scrolling |
| 04:38:07 | kergoth | ][N-Flux: yeah |
| 04:38:18 | kergoth | ][N-Flux: it'll do that on every full reset. because it formats the mtdram device |
| 04:38:34 | ][N-Flux | for how long? |
| 04:38:35 | kergoth | ][N-Flux: that'll be fixed up for the beta 3 kernel |
| 04:38:47 | kergoth | ][N-Flux: until its does formatting.. a minute or two iirc.. i didnt time i |
| 04:38:48 | kergoth | t |
| 04:38:56 | ][N-Flux | o.k. just wanna make sure |
| 04:39:10 | kergoth | yea it takes a while .. a lot of time is used up by it dumping all those message |
| 04:39:11 | kergoth | s |
| 04:39:12 | kergoth | hehe |
| 04:40:06 | ][N-Flux | o.k. logged in |
| 04:40:09 | ][N-Flux | now what :) |
| 04:40:17 | kergoth | first |
| 04:40:23 | kergoth | cd /; tar xvf root/.dev_default.tar |
| 04:40:29 | kergoth | you cant do a damn thing before that |
| 04:40:30 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:41:29 | ][N-Flux | got it |
| 04:41:46 | kergoth | k.. then you go to the oz3 feed and download pcmcia-cs, hotplug, and oz-base, and libopie |
| 04:41:51 | kergoth | (from your desktop) |
| 04:41:55 | | oz3 feed is at http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/feeds/3.0/ |
| 04:41:55 | kergoth | ibot: oz3 feed? |
| 04:43:13 | ][N-Flux | o.k. |
| 04:43:51 | ][N-Flux | brb gotta use the cf reader in the other room |
| 04:43:55 | kergoth | then copy those to the cf card using your reader.. insert the card into the Z and do a mount /mnt/cf.. then cd /mnt/cf .. ipkg install [filenames] |
| 04:43:56 | kergoth | k |
| 04:48:38 | kergoth | sup BZFlag? |
| 04:53:35 | ][N-Flux | o.k. installed |
| 04:53:52 | kergoth | okay.. now run 'halt' |
| 04:54:03 | kergoth | when it says no more processes to be killed.. flick the battery switch |
| 04:54:07 | kergoth | then full reset, and turn it back on |
| 04:54:08 | ][N-Flux | all righty |
| 04:54:31 | kergoth | it should reformat the mtd device.. you'll see those pretty mtd messages again.. but when it comes back up.. it should be doing well, and even boot into opie |
| 04:55:11 | ][N-Flux | mtd'in |
| 04:55:13 | ][N-Flux | ;0 |
| 04:57:20 | ][N-Flux | wow |
| 04:57:24 | ][N-Flux | 3icons :) |
| 04:57:26 | kergoth | hehe |
| 04:57:37 | roge99 | yea like that |
| 04:57:42 | kergoth | you'll have to terminate opie and install more opie packages from the feed if you want more stuff |
| 04:57:53 | kergoth | i'm ironing out the kinks before i default with lots of apps |
| 04:57:53 | kergoth | :-) |
| 04:58:06 | kergoth | theres enough room in rom to install all of opie, btw |
| 04:58:14 | roge99 | really |
| 04:58:33 | roge99 | i was gona re-flash w/ the 20/12 |
| 04:59:36 | kergoth | up to you. remember it cant install packages to cf/sd, or mtdram atm |
| 04:59:47 | kergoth | until i finish this, so i'll stop typing and finish. :-) |
| 04:59:52 | kergoth | is away: scripting |
| 05:00:01 | roge99 | hurry up ! |
| 05:00:05 | roge99 | :-P |
| 05:00:29 | ][N-Flux | my cf is not /mnt/cf/usr/lib/ipkg |
| 05:00:34 | ][N-Flux | now even |
| 05:00:35 | kergoth | hm? |
| 05:01:26 | ][N-Flux | remounting it fixed that |
| 05:01:55 | ][N-Flux | opie base ok to instal |
| 05:02:02 | ][N-Flux | install even |
| 05:07:55 | ][N-Flux | hrmmm |
| 05:08:07 | ][N-Flux | 2 icons :_) |
| 05:15:39 | kergoth | damnit |
| 05:15:49 | kergoth | i really really need to be able to hit ^C from console |
| 05:15:50 | kergoth | heh |
| 05:19:50 | ][N-Flux | highly beta |
| 05:20:00 | ][N-Flux | damn straight |
| 05:20:14 | kergoth | ;-) |
| 05:20:17 | kergoth | i warn ya |
| 05:20:18 | kergoth | hehe |
| 05:20:30 | kergoth | its gettin there though :-) |
| 05:21:17 | ][N-Flux | indeed |
| 05:21:23 | ][N-Flux | shows much promise |
| 05:22:40 | ][N-Flux | not going into opie |
| 05:22:43 | ][N-Flux | hrmmmm |
| 05:22:50 | kergoth | er.. it was right? |
| 05:23:03 | ][N-Flux | was yeah |
| 05:23:25 | ][N-Flux | what is the console command to go bak into opie |
| 05:23:32 | kergoth | /etc/init.d/qpe start |
| 05:23:57 | ][N-Flux | hehehehe |
| 05:24:06 | ][N-Flux | no such file or directory |
| 05:24:09 | ][N-Flux | wheeee |
| 05:24:31 | kergoth | lol.. |
| 05:24:35 | kergoth | did you remove opie-base? |
| 05:25:03 | ][N-Flux | nope |
| 05:25:23 | kergoth | hehe. redownload opie-base and run ipkg -force-reinstall install [opie-base filename] |
| 05:25:28 | ][N-Flux | opie base needs qpe2scheduler or something |
| 05:25:35 | kergoth | ah |
| 05:25:48 | kergoth | ipkg -force-reinstall -force-depends install opie-base_filename |
| 05:26:04 | kergoth | i'll fix that dependency.. thats an ipaq specific thing.. i had to hack the packages to work properly on the Z |
| 05:27:09 | roge99 | is there a console that works in opie ? |
| 05:27:33 | ][N-Flux | wheee back inaction |
| 05:27:42 | kergoth | roge99: yes, but not in opie on oz3.. its a really weird bug |
| 05:27:47 | kergoth | roge99: have you tried using the embeddedkonsole? |
| 05:27:51 | roge99 | yea |
| 05:27:53 | kergoth | odd eh? |
| 05:27:57 | roge99 | yea |
| 05:28:07 | kergoth | i havent had time to pursue in detail, i need to install strace/ltrace and gdb |
| 05:28:07 | roge99 | fires up for a second and dumps |
| 05:28:53 | ][N-Flux | same |
| 05:29:01 | ][N-Flux | drawpad works though |
| 05:29:08 | roge99 | heh |
| 05:29:12 | kergoth | everything else works |
| 05:29:14 | roge99 | yea i saw that too |
| 05:29:34 | ][N-Flux | I like having a bare-assed system to build on |
| 05:29:41 | roge99 | yea |
| 05:29:52 | ][N-Flux | install what you need/want |
| 05:30:03 | kergoth | i like seeing the base system in qipkg :-) |
| 05:30:07 | ][N-Flux | don't need help paged an java demos ;) |
| 05:30:31 | roge99 | wlan be done tonight ? |
| 05:30:37 | ][N-Flux | is the "check backup battery" thing a known issue> |
| 05:30:50 | roge99 | i was gona ask that too |
| 05:31:47 | kergoth | the backup battery messages generally mean your backup battery is low |
| 05:31:51 | kergoth | it gets charged by the main one |
| 05:32:00 | kergoth | so if you let it run low for a long time, itll do that. |
| 05:32:55 | roge99 | hmm i guess we dont charge enough |
| 05:32:59 | kergoth | k i go to sleep now |
| 05:33:09 | kergoth | have fun with your nifty bare systems, i'll finish beta 3 in the mornin ;-) |
| 05:33:09 | ][N-Flux | same night all |
| 05:33:15 | roge99 | ahhhhhh |
| 05:33:22 | ][N-Flux | kergoth`zzz: thanks for the help |
| 05:33:31 | roge99 | nite kergoth`zzz |
| 05:33:48 | ][N-Flux | Ill be gone until 5 tomorrow so much should be done when I get in :) |
| 05:35:25 | ][N-Flux | it suspends wierd too |
| 05:35:31 | ][N-Flux | kinda like me ;0 |
| 05:35:35 | ][N-Flux | night all |
| 05:45:20 | Gepeto | hey guys |
| 06:02:32 | Gepeto | can qtopia use QT themes on the zaurusT? |
| 06:02:38 | NeoTron | no clue |
| 06:02:47 | Gepeto | well go figure it out, NOW! :) |
| 06:02:50 | cbsmith | Stupid question: I'm doing a ROM upgrade on my Zaurus.... |
| 06:03:22 | cbsmith | .... it says to press the "[C] and [D]" keys at the same time.... |
| 06:03:47 | cbsmith | ...are those the literal C and D keys from the pop-out keyboard, or one of the buttons that are always visible? |
| 06:04:08 | roge99 | the c and d on the keyboard |
| 06:04:13 | Gepeto | ahha |
| 06:04:14 | cbsmith | k |
| 06:06:09 | NeoTron | and it doesn't matter if you accidently press some other keys at the same time, as a FYI |
| 06:06:36 | cbsmith | NeoTron: Thanks for the help on that... it seemed like it required a contortionist to do it right. |
| 06:09:05 | Gepeto | hey since the zaurus flashes itself without a pc |
| 06:09:16 | Gepeto | does it mean that if I flash a bad rom I have better chances of being able to flash another? |
| 06:09:27 | Gepeto | ie is the part of the firmware that controls rom flashing hardcoded? |
| 06:24:38 | jd | greets all |
| 07:56:33 | NeoTron | is away: znoze |
| 08:54:43 | mark | where are the OZ3 release notes? |
| 10:04:06 | mark | final contest entries today! i've done nothing since the beta :( |
| 10:15:07 | catalin | isn't the contest due on the 15th ?? |
| 10:15:42 | mark | yes |
| 10:15:51 | mark | isn't it the 15th today? |
| 10:16:07 | catalin | may clock says 13th |
| 10:16:13 | catalin | my, even |
| 10:16:16 | mark | mine says 15th :) |
| 10:16:19 | mark | apt says 13th |
| 10:16:22 | mark | you win :) |
| 10:16:35 | catalin | spreading fud, huh ? :) |
| 10:18:46 | mark | catalin: hehe |
| 10:37:08 | | wish i knew, twiun |
| 10:37:08 | Twiun | ibot: who is Jason? |
| 10:37:13 | | Twiun: sorry... |
| 10:37:13 | Twiun | ibot: Jason |
| 10:37:18 | | i heard JasonNJ was "Jason Perlow" <mailto:perlow@hotmail.com> |
| 10:37:18 | Twiun | ibot: JasonNJ |
| 10:37:21 | Twiun | hrmmm |
| 12:40:11 | ljp-- | OZ needs emacs |
| 13:06:00 | ljp-- | anybody awake? |
| 13:23:02 | narrowmind | whats the deal with the quake port ? |
| 13:44:21 | Twiun | narrowmind: What do you mean? |
| 14:19:01 | narowmind | any one know what todo when qpe fails in (looping) on boot ? |
| 14:25:28 | Twiun | I've found that restarting (flipping the switch) cures it for me... |
| 14:25:46 | narowmind | which swtich ? |
| 14:25:46 | Twiun | Did you install anything specific before you got this behaviour? |
| 14:25:53 | narowmind | ya.. qpe-quake |
| 14:26:10 | Twiun | the switch on the back of the unit |
| 14:26:15 | narowmind | I sshd in.. and removed it |
| 14:26:19 | Twiun | (normal operation/replace battery) |
| 14:26:23 | narowmind | I have also rebooted |
| 14:26:43 | Twiun | How did you remove it? |
| 14:27:01 | narowmind | ipkg remove qpe-quake |
| 14:27:34 | Twiun | Hmmm |
| 14:27:46 | Twiun | rom version/zaurus model? |
| 14:28:25 | narowmind | ugh.. I could tell you if it wasnt rebooting.. its 2.0... latest.. and its not the D |
| 14:28:31 | Twiun | You can also try going into the shell and starting qpe manually |
| 14:28:33 | narowmind | sl-5500 |
| 14:28:47 | narowmind | bah.. I did that.. its giving me a bus error |
| 14:29:09 | Twiun | I take it you don't really want to hard reset? |
| 14:29:47 | Twiun | mutters about qpe-quake not being exactly ready for the general public... |
| 14:29:55 | narowmind | naw.. I really dont wana reinstall all the apps I got in there |
| 14:30:32 | Twiun | Bus error... I wonder what could be causing that... |
| 14:30:50 | Twiun | Where did you try to install qpe-quake? ram or cf/sd? |
| 14:30:57 | narowmind | ram |
| 14:32:05 | Twiun | That's so weird... wanna send mail to the mailing list with all this info? There's bound to be someone who's come across this before (the irc channel tends to be a little dead early in the morning for the USA) |
| 14:32:29 | Twiun | has to get himself some lunch... otherwise the gf will complain ;-) |
| 14:34:49 | JasonNJ2 | bus error could be a number of issues |
| 14:35:03 | narowmind | ya.. |
| 14:35:09 | JasonNJ2 | the qpe-quake thats been out hasnt been updated in months |
| 14:35:22 | narowmind | I removed it.. and it still fuxord |
| 14:35:32 | JasonNJ2 | they made a lot of library changes since rom 1.02 |
| 14:35:34 | JasonNJ2 | a LOT |
| 14:35:44 | narowmind | ugh |
| 14:36:07 | JasonNJ2 | quake never worked that well |
| 14:36:13 | JasonNJ2 | even on my early 5500 |
| 14:36:17 | JasonNJ2 | with the more ram |
| 14:36:54 | JasonNJ2 | its never going to work properly on a 206mhz strongarm with that little ram |
| 14:37:03 | JasonNJ2 | needs floating point |
| 14:37:30 | JasonNJ2 | I'm talking with managment about using a different type of ARM CPU in future Z's |
| 14:37:33 | JasonNJ2 | newer ARM designs |
| 14:37:39 | JasonNJ2 | non-intel arm designs |
| 14:38:03 | narowmind | well the reset of death fixed it.. course everything is gone now .. ugh |
| 14:38:26 | JasonNJ2 | the newer arm designs have FPU's as well as hardware java acceleration |
| 14:38:29 | JasonNJ2 | which we need |
| 14:39:06 | narowmind | bah.. we just need to stop using java.. its slow as hell. |
| 14:39:11 | JasonNJ2 | no |
| 14:39:17 | JasonNJ2 | java could be very fast |
| 14:39:31 | JasonNJ2 | true J2ME with hardware accel is as fast as C code |
| 14:39:35 | Twiun | agrees |
| 14:39:36 | JasonNJ2 | I have seen it with my own eyes |
| 14:39:36 | narowmind | uh.. keep on beleaving that |
| 14:39:58 | JasonNJ2 | the ARM Jazelle technology is very compelling |
| 14:40:05 | narowmind | java will always be slow.. native binaries will all kick the crap out of it.. |
| 14:40:11 | Twiun | same thing had to be done for 3d stuff... there's hw acceleration for it now |
| 14:40:14 | JasonNJ2 | it can make any JVM 10x faster with some minor optimizations to the JVM |
| 14:40:16 | narowmind | it also doenst help that most java developers are brain dead |
| 14:40:30 | Twiun | narowmind: I resent that statement |
| 14:40:43 | narowmind | sorry. |
| 14:40:44 | JasonNJ2 | Java is not necessarily the best language for games, but its good for enterprise apps |
| 14:40:52 | narowmind | ugh.. you have no idea. |
| 14:40:53 | JasonNJ2 | there are very good reasons for using java |
| 14:41:01 | Twiun | narowmind: I know at least 3 who aren't completely brain dead ;-) |
| 14:41:09 | JasonNJ2 | but that is why the Z has both, C++ and Java |
| 14:41:15 | JasonNJ2 | we give developers a choice |
| 14:41:17 | narowmind | if they use java.. Im done. |
| 14:41:23 | JasonNJ2 | and a better choice than PocketPC |
| 14:41:40 | Twiun | narowmind: The biggest problem with Java is managerial lack of understanding... It should always be the right tools for the job... not busswords over everything else |
| 14:41:52 | Twiun | s/buss/buzz/ |
| 14:42:03 | ljp-- | java's nice, but I prefer espresso |
| 14:42:09 | narowmind | the biggest problem for java is that its slow as hell.. and its still not run everywhere. |
| 14:42:30 | JasonNJ2 | PersonalJava is not as good as Qt is now. However the J2ME/CDC+PersonalProfile VM's have some extremely compelling stuff |
| 14:43:00 | JasonNJ2 | and you'll see it in the Z soon. |
| 14:43:20 | ljp-- | the only problem I see with java on the Z is that the apps aren't maximized, and can be moved around easily |
| 14:44:20 | Twiun | ljp--: Agreed - the poor integration with qtopia is a pain |
| 14:45:11 | Twiun | JasonNJ2: Know if this type of integration will happen? |
| 14:46:44 | JasonNJ2 | yes |
| 14:46:58 | JasonNJ2 | Trolltech is still actively developing their Java/Qt bindings |
| 14:47:12 | JasonNJ2 | for other VM's we are looking at besides Jeode. |
| 14:47:17 | Twiun | That's great |
| 14:48:43 | ljp-- | popen is fun |
| 14:48:53 | killefiz | any word on OZ3b3 yet? |
| 14:49:56 | ljp-- | I thought he would have it ready last night.. but I guess not |
| 14:50:50 | killefiz | but sf is the right place to look for the files, right? |
| 14:51:50 | ljp-- | yes, it would be dont use beta2 as its borked |
| 14:52:10 | ljp-- | unless you want to do some extra work to make it work |
| 14:52:16 | killefiz | i'm tempted to but i'll wait |
| 14:52:24 | killefiz | is there a way to backup the existing rom? |
| 14:52:59 | ljp-- | hmm maybe.. I'm not sure how |
| 14:53:00 | killefiz | I'm using a german 5500 and that rom is not available for download |
| 14:53:00 | Twiun | none automated afaik |
| 14:53:10 | ljp-- | hmm bummer |
| 14:53:46 | killefiz | i can just do a cat /dev/mtdsomtheing > file on my linux sat-reciever to get the flash |
| 14:53:55 | ljp-- | ya, you'd have to copy everything, and then create your own rom from that |
| 14:54:18 | narowmind | ugh.. who ever built this openssh package was a moron.. all the perms are wrong |
| 14:54:37 | Twiun | Feel free to fix them and re-release |
| 14:54:54 | narowmind | bah.. I should.. Iv only installed it like 3 times now |
| 14:55:14 | killefiz | when youre at it, fix the passwd generation which leaves you with a passwd file that only has one entry |
| 14:55:36 | narowmind | how man users do you need ? |
| 14:55:45 | narowmind | s/man/many/ |
| 14:56:48 | killefiz | i guess the sync-user that's there by default may be important |
| 15:00:18 | hunger | Wow! lots of people here! |
| 15:00:55 | hunger | Anyone know where I can get the 2.13G ROMimages? |
| 15:01:59 | narowmind | any standard 9pin rs232 out of the cradle yet ? I really need 9 pinner for minicom |
| 15:08:59 | Rince | 2.3GB? why do you need such a large ROMimage? |
| 15:09:24 | killefiz | Rince: 2.13G is the _G_erman version |
| 15:09:35 | hunger | Rince: Nope. 2.13G is the version of the ROMimage my Z came preinstalled with. |
| 15:10:07 | Rince | Ah, sorry :-) |
| 15:10:20 | Rince | will soon get his Z, he hasn't it yet. |
| 15:50:26 | warmi | hi |
| 15:50:57 | tux_mike | hey warmi |
| 15:51:57 | kergoth | this ipkg wrapper is being a bitch. |
| 15:52:22 | tux_mike | kerny|home: how do you use apt-get? |
| 15:52:26 | tux_mike | >< |
| 15:52:28 | tux_mike | kergoth |
| 15:54:49 | Narrowmind | how do I force qpe to update the menus ? I add zic by the commandline and I dont see an icon |
| 15:55:08 | kergoth | restarting qpe is the easiest soluution |
| 15:55:11 | kergoth | tux_mike: ? |
| 15:56:08 | tux_mike | i want to get a package, twm... i thought apt-get was supposed to easily get it, i have'nt had a chance to play with it, yet :) |
| 15:56:17 | Narrowmind | how do I restart qpe whithout rebooting? |
| 15:56:17 | kergoth | apt-get install twm |
| 15:56:20 | kergoth | :-) |
| 15:56:30 | BigBoss | yo all |
| 15:56:55 | tux_mike | hey BigBoss |
| 15:56:55 | hunger | Narrowmind: Goto settings and klick on the red power-button icon (forgot how it's called:-) |
| 15:57:58 | kergoth | sup BigBoss |
| 16:03:44 | tux_mike | kergoth: will apt-get also resolve depenancies? |
| 16:04:56 | kergoth | tux_mike: yep |
| 16:07:08 | Gepeto | hey guys...can you tell me if those little USB CF readers are just "USB storage" devices? |
| 16:07:16 | Gepeto | like that won't require a driver and work on any os? |
| 16:08:03 | kergoth | most of them work with usb storage, yeah |
| 16:08:14 | Gepeto | kergoth: sandisk? |
| 16:08:21 | Gepeto | that'd be cool cause it would work easily in linux :) |
| 16:08:21 | kergoth | Gepeto: works fine, i have one |
| 16:08:26 | Gepeto | great! |
| 16:08:28 | kergoth | modprobe usb-storage. mount. |
| 16:08:30 | kergoth | ;-) |
| 16:08:44 | Gepeto | yep |
| 16:08:55 | Gepeto | I have to build a kernel patched for Ethernet over usb though |
| 16:09:01 | mark | qBill should be available this evening people - xBill on your Z :) |
| 16:09:12 | Gepeto | cause I guess I'm gonna get my zaurus monday |
| 16:10:17 | Narrowmind | bah.. get a sd usb adapter.. and use mmc cards.. |
| 16:10:26 | warmi | qBIll |
| 16:10:28 | warmi | hehehe |
| 16:10:34 | kergoth | better yet, get a reader that reads all 6 formats. heh. |
| 16:10:37 | Gepeto | Narrowmind: why MMC? |
| 16:10:38 | kergoth | mark: nice :-) |
| 16:11:03 | Narrowmind | cf is for 802.11b cards |
| 16:11:30 | Gepeto | Narrowmind: and for flashing the rom |
| 16:11:38 | mark | kergoth: if i can get this collection of Makefile.ams into .pros :) |
| 16:11:40 | Gepeto | and I don't have any wireless network anyways |
| 16:11:47 | kergoth | mark: ack, have fun :-P |
| 16:11:59 | Gepeto | ok well rebooting to gentoo |
| 16:12:13 | mark | Gepeto: another gentoo user :) |
| 16:12:36 | kergoth | man fixing install to alternate dests is a bit more of a pain than i expected. |
| 16:14:25 | mark | kergoth: oh dear |
| 16:15:02 | kergoth | mark: ? |
| 16:15:08 | mark | kergoth: that its a pain |
| 16:15:13 | kergoth | ah |
| 16:15:46 | ep0ch | kergoth: nice job on OZ3 so far |
| 16:15:59 | mark | kergoth: i have a load of .xpm i should be installing |
| 16:16:01 | BigBoss | wait, OZ3 is released? |
| 16:16:13 | ep0ch | i wouldnt say released |
| 16:16:21 | kergoth | well, i need a wrapper to ipkg that calls it with the command line arguments it received.. parses out the output to determine success/failure for the packages that were installed/attempted .. then, it needs to create a set of symlinks for the successful packages, and store said information somewhere for destruction on removal |
| 16:16:22 | kergoth | rag |
| 16:16:23 | mark | kergoth: where should they go? |
| 16:16:25 | kergoth | s/rag/arg/ |
| 16:16:41 | kergoth | mark: xpms? pics/appname/, i'd say. unless you're inlining em |
| 16:16:52 | kergoth | BigBoss: its in the beta testing phase at the moment. |
| 16:16:59 | narowmind | /quit |
| 16:17:00 | Gepeto | can someone explain OZ a bit to me? |
| 16:17:00 | mark | kergoth: yeh, of course. sorry, out of the loop, forgotten everything :) |
| 16:17:14 | kergoth | BigBoss: (as opposed to previous versions for which the beta phase WAS the release.. lol) |
| 16:17:14 | Gepeto | Would it allow me to run most of the zaurus apps that work on the standard rom? |
| 16:17:20 | kergoth | Gepeto: yes, its compatible |
| 16:17:24 | mark | Gepeto: all apart from the java ones |
| 16:17:28 | kergoth | yeah |
| 16:17:54 | Gepeto | oh great :) |
| 16:17:59 | Gepeto | Java support coming soon? ;) |
| 16:18:12 | narowmind | ugh. zic needs a builtin identd server |
| 16:20:01 | whardier | your all just mad cause you don't have any bullets! |
| 16:20:24 | kergoth | you're confused, i have bullets |
| 16:20:46 | whardier | dabby dooby dabby doo |
| 16:21:11 | Narrowmind | i have box cars |
| 16:25:19 | ljp_work | I have a /. account |
| 16:25:40 | Gepeto | I have no zaurus |
| 16:32:51 | kergoth | shoots ipkg |
| 16:37:57 | Narrowmind | we need a qpe gui for kismet |
| 16:38:57 | ljp_work | so do it up! |
| 16:39:59 | Narrowmind | ugh I guess I will need to get around to installing the cross compilers |
| 16:43:36 | mark_ | which qt header is tr("") in someone please? |
| 16:43:53 | mark_ | wrong chan :) |
| 16:47:28 | Narrowmind | heh |
| 16:51:58 | BigBoss | f |
| 16:52:09 | tux_mike | g |
| 16:52:14 | Twiun | t |
| 16:52:18 | ljp_work | a |
| 16:53:50 | tux_mike | BigBoss: hurry up with media center, im sick of unbuffered streams that i have to put in on the command line ;) |
| 16:54:15 | BigBoss | it's coming :) |
| 16:54:18 | BigBoss | be patient |
| 16:54:29 | BigBoss | damn - either our server is down or the co-lo has a problem |
| 16:54:33 | BigBoss | I don't need this right now |
| 16:54:40 | tux_mike | ugh |
| 16:56:07 | BigBoss | co-lo web site is down too - must be their system |
| 16:56:33 | Twiun | Not exactly reliable, are they? |
| 16:56:56 | BigBoss | actually they are usually |
| 16:57:04 | Twiun | Do you have a service level agreement with them? |
| 16:57:07 | BigBoss | they have backup power and everything |
| 16:57:59 | BigBoss | these guys are typically very responsive |
| 16:58:04 | BigBoss | this just happened in the last 10 minutes |
| 16:58:28 | BigBoss | hopefully it is something they have control over |
| 16:58:37 | Twiun | Yeah |
| 16:58:44 | BigBoss | and not like the phone company accidently cut through some lines or something |
| 16:58:48 | Twiun | How's things going with NS? |
| 17:02:08 | BigBoss | well I think I finally found a phone number of someone that can do something |
| 17:02:25 | BigBoss | since I'm sure they won't just cut me a check, I'm going to ask them to extend our registration for 30 years :) |
| 17:05:45 | Twiun | Hahahaha |
| 17:13:01 | hunger | How much space does an OZ installation take on my Z? |
| 18:12:22 | BigBoss | well our site is backup now |
| 18:12:35 | BigBoss | seems it was a west coast telecom problem |
| 18:21:13 | Com[Plex | hey bb, |
| 18:21:25 | mark | BigBoss: good good. |
| 18:21:38 | Com[Plex | all these files on the feeds, they are ipkgs, - where can I get the source or say "zaurus-faq" |
| 18:21:55 | Com[Plex | - I isntalled it the toher day, and never saw an icon for it |
| 18:22:26 | Com[Plex | is the "aq" ipkg, the same thign as the "help browser" that comes with the standard rom? 1.12 and 1.13 |
| 18:22:48 | | i guess feed is a package repository or http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds or http://www.zauruszone.com/feed/ |
| 18:22:48 | Com[Plex | ibot feed |
| 18:25:01 | Com[Plex | BigBoss: is there a way to shrunk the default size of the picture in tkc paint? - I dont need it to be that large, only as buig as the screen, and I keep running out of memory when using it. - if I could shruink it to the size of the screen and no more, then I would cut the memory size per page by 75% |
| 18:26:36 | killefiz | BigBoss: Any other fixes besides the ogg issue in the new tkcPlayer? |
| 18:27:20 | BigBoss | complex: not aware of it |
| 18:27:27 | BigBoss | killefiz: no - should there be? |
| 18:27:53 | killefiz | hmm ... smaller splash screen, repeat function |
| 18:29:10 | Com[Plex | who wrote painter? |
| 18:29:25 | Com[Plex | could I talk them into making that into the next update? |
| 18:29:41 | killefiz | oh ... and the possibility to turn off the scanning at startup |
| 18:35:00 | BigBoss | complex: talk to msmax |
| 18:35:28 | killefiz | BigBoss: How do I get the new tkcPlayer? |
| 18:35:38 | killefiz | I bought from your site but where do I log in? |
| 18:36:59 | killefiz | aah ... download basked |
| 18:37:06 | BigBoss | yep |
| 18:37:11 | killefiz | s/basked/basket/ - that is not very clear |
| 18:37:41 | killefiz | you should really add version info |
| 18:38:30 | BigBoss | yea, I know |
| 18:52:35 | GogaN | Hello world! |
| 18:53:14 | GogaN | Anyone willing to check out new version of my calculator? |
| 18:53:30 | GogaN | New feature: includes C-like programming! |
| 18:53:54 | BigBoss | sure - where isit at? |
| 18:54:46 | GogaN | Well, could you wait for a few minutes.. i'll compile & upload it... |
| 18:56:13 | neophyte | hi all |
| 19:01:27 | killefiz | anyone here who still has the image saved that he has flashed to the z? |
| 19:02:41 | GogaN | er. not everyone here has z :(( |
| 19:02:58 | killefiz | well that was directed at z users ;) |
| 19:03:13 | GogaN | killefiz: lucky z users. |
| 19:03:16 | GogaN | ;) |
| 19:04:23 | killefiz | i want to know if the output of cat /dev/mtd0 > file |
| 19:04:31 | killefiz | can be flashed again |
| 19:09:35 | collord | anyone know what kind of interface the driver for the CF camera shows? |
| 19:14:32 | GogaN | killefiz: cat file > /dev/mtd0 |
| 19:14:51 | killefiz | GogaN: No, I won't do that ;) |
| 19:15:53 | GogaN | killefiz: that should work ;) |
| 19:18:22 | neophyte | anyone seen Porto recently? |
| 19:19:45 | mefesto | hello all |
| 19:20:01 | | porto was last seen on #zaurus 1 days, 7 hours, 16 minutes and 7 seconds ago, saying: catalin you are too nice many mqany thx :) [Fri Apr 12 13:03:54 2002] |
| 19:20:01 | Twiun | ibot: seen porto |
| 19:20:08 | mefesto | i just received my zaurus and wondered what all i need to get it working with qtopia desktop for linux? |
| 19:20:22 | mefesto | is there a usb driver for the zaurus that i have to load? |
| 19:25:31 | neophyte | ah |
| 19:25:38 | neophyte | thanks Twiun |
| 19:25:44 | Twiun | winks |
| 19:26:35 | neophyte | any suggestions for an editor on the Z for editing html & perl apart from vi/vim? |
| 19:27:34 | | trebb was last seen on #zaurus 1 days, 5 hours, 25 minutes and 2 seconds ago, saying: mark: Ah, thats it! Thanks :) [Fri Apr 12 15:02:32 2002] |
| 19:27:34 | GogaN | ibot: seen trebb |
| 19:27:41 | mefesto | neophyte: console or X? |
| 19:27:52 | sebd | Hello, I have ordered my Z last Thursday. It is still in "Order new" state on outpost.com. I can't wait anymore. |
| 19:28:42 | treke | tkcEditor is cool |
| 19:28:50 | neophyte | mefesto, not decided yet |
| 19:29:13 | mefesto | neophyte: well if X and gnome aren't a probly you should try SciTE |
| 19:29:19 | GogaN | treke: but it's not OSS :( |
| 19:29:28 | treke | GogaN : true, but it's pretty cool :) |
| 19:29:28 | neophyte | can I get rid of the standard editor? |
| 19:30:34 | GogaN | treke: waiting for someone to port vim to z ;) |
| 19:30:44 | Twiun | GogaN: yep, but it's very much nicer than the standard one |
| 19:30:56 | treke | GogaN : someone should get to work on porting kVim :) |
| 19:31:09 | killefiz | vim is 1 mb, kvim is probably more |
| 19:31:15 | killefiz | that's not zaurus-stuff |
| 19:31:20 | Twiun | GogaN: vim's is just a tiny bit too big for my liking (on the z that is) |
| 19:31:35 | treke | nvi is a bit smaller I think |
| 19:31:44 | mefesto | oops my mistake, thought you meant an editor for writting stuff for the zaurus, not on the zaurus :) |
| 19:31:47 | GogaN | Well, you can launch vim from konsole |
| 19:32:07 | neophyte | on the zaurus |
| 19:32:14 | neophyte | sorry |
| 19:32:30 | mefesto | neophyte: forget SciTE then :) |
| 19:33:21 | killefiz | not quite: http://www.climov.com/zaurus/xite/ |
| 19:33:25 | neophyte | I thought somebody wrote a SciTE clone or so |
| 19:33:27 | neophyte | ah |
| 19:33:30 | neophyte | thanks |
| 19:34:30 | neophyte | oh not available now *sigh* |
| 19:34:36 | GogaN | Try this. [Link may be slow from US] http://goga-n.narod.ru/qplot/ |
| 19:36:42 | GogaN | SYN ENQ ? |
| 19:41:28 | neophyte | ah its http://www.climov.com/zaurus/qpose/ |
| 19:41:31 | mefesto | anyone have qtopia desktop for linux working with thier zaurus? |
| 19:42:19 | killefiz | mefesto: works for me |
| 19:42:34 | mefesto | is there any usb driver i need to itnsall for the zaurus? |
| 19:42:45 | killefiz | you mean on the zaurus? |
| 19:42:56 | mefesto | no on my linux desktop |
| 19:43:00 | killefiz | yes |
| 19:43:19 | killefiz | http://www.ruault.com/Zaurus/ethernet-over-usb-howto.html |
| 19:43:24 | mefesto | ahh, thanks |
| 19:47:20 | collord | interesting... the windows interface isn't architected at all like that, is it? |
| 19:48:44 | GogaN | Uh oh. No one likes my cool app :( |
| 19:51:41 | scanline | is away: I'm busy |
| 19:51:56 | scanline | is back (gone 00:00:03) |
| 19:53:16 | Rince | rere |
| 19:55:23 | ljp-- | popen is fun |
| 20:10:48 | NeoTron | anyone feel like beta testing something for me? |
| 20:13:46 | kendrick2 | sure! |
| 20:13:47 | kendrick2 | always :) |
| 20:14:56 | Twiun | NeoTron: Sure ;-) |
| 20:15:20 | NeoTron | hmm. Fine. 3 is plenty. :P |
| 20:15:31 | kendrick2 | OH MY EYES |
| 20:15:34 | kendrick2 | these allergies suck |
| 20:15:47 | kendrick2 | and i'm not taking my claritin cuz i shouldn't in case i have something wrong with my liver |
| 20:15:47 | NeoTron | I use Zyrtec - great allergy mecicin |
| 20:15:50 | kendrick2 | which it appears i probably do :( |
| 20:16:02 | kendrick2 | sometimes i hate being organic |
| 20:16:05 | kendrick2 | runs to grab his z |
| 20:17:39 | NeoTron | think my son is waking up.. |
| 20:17:50 | NeoTron | yeps |
| 20:17:51 | NeoTron | bbl |
| 20:17:53 | kendrick2 | cya |
| 20:19:17 | kendrick2 | re serio |
| 20:19:26 | NeoTron | is away: play time |
| 20:19:40 | kendrick2 | anyone try out that 3D game, 'Raid'? |
| 20:19:49 | kendrick2 | it's cool looking, but too hard to play, and there's only one level |
| 20:19:55 | kendrick2 | (or maybe i dl'd a trial version) |
| 20:19:59 | kendrick2 | also, no sfx... just music :^/ |
| 20:20:19 | kendrick2 | shows what this beastie can do, though :) |
| 20:20:37 | kendrick2 | i should port vectoroids to the Z >:^) |
| 20:23:59 | kendrick2 | does so |
| 20:24:45 | killefiz | kendrick2: can i play madbomber? |
| 20:25:23 | tux_mike | kendrick2: you need to port a lot |
| 20:25:24 | kerny|home | sure |
| 20:26:09 | kendrick2 | killefiz - i need to ipkg it |
| 20:26:11 | kendrick2 | hang a sec ;) |
| 20:26:36 | kerny|home | Is there a todo list of OZ3? I might be able to help out. |
| 20:26:49 | kerny|home | s/of/for/ |
| 21:15:31 | ][N-Flux | is back (gone 17:17:23) |
| 21:18:20 | bewmIES | kerny: Flash it and fix shit that is broken :) |
| 21:18:46 | bewmIES | I've been testing it the last week and have a list of OZ/Opie stuff that is broken, I can point you to it and a recent ROM to flash it with if you want. |
| 21:19:29 | bewmIES | http://ftp.engardelinux.org/pub/engarde/people/ryan/stash/zaurus/ |
| 21:19:33 | kend-afk | prepares to test vectoroids on the z |
| 21:19:48 | bewmIES | get OZ-3-pre2.tar.gz, flash it, look at Z.txt for stuff that is broken. |
| 21:19:59 | kend-afk | d'oh - very slow |
| 21:20:02 | bewmIES | You have to isntall Opie by hand by putting it in ipkg.conf and update/installing |
| 21:20:06 | bewmIES | heh |
| 21:20:11 | bewmIES | bbl |
| 21:21:16 | bewmIES | (also check out TODO in CVS) |
| 21:27:11 | kendrick2 | d'oh! ... floats :) |
| 21:27:13 | kendrick2 | that'd do it :) |
| 21:36:02 | BigBoss | hey kendrick |
| 21:48:48 | kendrick2 | argh |
| 21:48:56 | kendrick2 | i keep causing a deadlock |
| 21:49:10 | kendrick2 | i'm glad this runs FAST though :) |
| 21:49:17 | kendrick2 | i was afraid i had overestimated the power of the zaurus ;) |
| 21:50:08 | kendrick2 | considers yanking clipping code altogether |
| 21:52:28 | kendrick2 | adds 'printf("FUCK!\n");' |
| 21:52:33 | kendrick2 | Hahah |
| 21:52:35 | kendrick2 | and there it is :) |
| 21:52:39 | kendrick2 | lots of "FUCK!"s before it locks up |
| 21:54:33 | kendrick2 | mmm... fixed point |
| 22:01:30 | BigBoss | duh |
| 22:08:33 | kendrick2 | i hate vi |
| 22:08:47 | kendrick2 | switches to the true editor |
| 22:11:57 | kendrick2 | killer |
| 22:12:03 | kendrick2 | i think i might have a working game ;) |
| 22:13:21 | hunger | kendrick2: I think I'm getting closer to getting my touchscreen driver to work;-) |
| 22:13:40 | kendrick2 | for? |
| 22:13:48 | hunger | GGI |
| 22:13:51 | kendrick2 | oh! :) |
| 22:14:19 | BigBoss | a working game? |
| 22:14:19 | BigBoss | cool |
| 22:15:32 | hunger | kendrick2: I don't like QT very much, so I'll try to port berlin to the Z. Not that it can be used for anything ;-) |
| 22:15:44 | kendrick2 | berlin? |
| 22:16:02 | hunger | kendrick2: http://www.berlin-consortium.org/ |
| 22:16:52 | kend-afk | time to beta test vectoroids on the girlfriend |
| 22:16:56 | hunger | kendrick2: It's a bit unwield because of all that CORBA stuff, but the Z should be able to cope:-) |
| 22:17:31 | BigBoss | berlin is still around? |
| 22:17:44 | BigBoss | I remember looking at it like 2 years ago - thought it was cool |
| 22:18:01 | hunger | BigBoss: Sure. It's very much fun to program on it. |
| 22:18:39 | BigBoss | if it's fun, then it must be based on COBOL :) |
| 22:18:47 | hunger | BigBoss: Going a bit slow, too few developers - well, I guess you know that problem. |
| 22:19:03 | BigBoss | oh yea |
| 22:19:30 | BigBoss | the 3d capability is really need, but the widgets just don't look so great |
| 22:19:32 | hunger | BigBoss: There is a CORBA binding for COBOL afaik. So you could develop parts of berlin in COBOL. |
| 22:19:34 | BigBoss | s/need/neat |
| 22:19:50 | BigBoss | we've got a COBOL IDE/compiler coming out in a couple weeks for linux and windows :) |
| 22:20:33 | antlarr | hi |
| 22:20:47 | tux_mike | cobol? |
| 22:20:50 | hunger | BigBoss: Motif is the easiest to program. For now we concentrate on the functionality, not on looks. You can switch the implementation of the widgets at runtime... |
| 22:20:53 | tux_mike | COBOL? |
| 22:21:36 | BigBoss | yes, COBOL |
| 22:21:41 | BigBoss | we call it KOBOL however :) |
| 22:21:50 | BigBoss | KOmpany Business Oriented Language |
| 22:22:13 | BigBoss | and we implemented the full OO standard for COBOL that was just recently finalized |
| 22:22:24 | tux_mike | COBOL? |
| 22:22:53 | tux_mike | no one should program in COBOL |
| 22:23:05 | tux_mike | it is even discouraged in the Tao :) |
| 22:23:13 | tux_mike | i mean, it's COBOL |
| 22:23:16 | hunger | BigBoss: Kompany as in that KDE company? |
| 22:23:44 | BigBoss | Kompany as in my company, theKompany |
| 22:23:45 | kend-afk | w00t |
| 22:23:47 | kend-afk | vectoroids! |
| 22:23:49 | kend-afk | packages |
| 22:23:54 | tux_mike | woot woot! |
| 22:24:02 | tux_mike | COBOL? |
| 22:24:07 | BigBoss | tux: COBOL is a *perfect* business language and still is about 75% of the deployed code in the world |
| 22:24:17 | tux_mike | but... it's COBOL. |
| 22:24:20 | BigBoss | there are about 4 million active cobol programmers |
| 22:24:22 | tux_mike | heheh :) |
| 22:24:24 | BigBoss | have you don't cobol before? |
| 22:24:31 | tux_mike | i know. even my backwards school uses it |
| 22:24:42 | tux_mike | i haven't programmed it, i've seen the code though |
| 22:24:44 | BigBoss | I wouldn't write an OS in COBOL, but I sure as hell would do an accounting system in it |
| 22:25:11 | BigBoss | my favorite example is tokenizing a string |
| 22:25:20 | tux_mike | stands by his but... it's COBOL :) |
| 22:25:26 | BigBoss | it is fairly common to have to parse a string on a common delimiter |
| 22:25:47 | BigBoss | in COBOL I can simply say "UNSTRING VAR1 DELIMITED BY "," INTO VAR2 VAR3 VAR4" |
| 22:25:59 | BigBoss | no the strtok equivalant in C is almost unreadable |
| 22:26:08 | tux_mike | does cobol have pointers? |
| 22:26:21 | BigBoss | it doesn't need pointers |
| 22:26:33 | BigBoss | the new standard might have implimented something though |
| 22:26:33 | tux_mike | bah! every language needs pointers :) |
| 22:26:37 | BigBoss | why? |
| 22:26:42 | tux_mike | i like them :) |
| 22:26:44 | hunger | tux_mike: Having pointers does not make a language good. |
| 22:26:59 | tux_mike | but the good languages have them :) |
| 22:27:21 | tux_mike | i have found it difficult to work without pointers after i learned how to use them :) |
| 22:27:32 | BigBoss | you haven't articulated a compelling reason however |
| 22:28:05 | tux_mike | i'm just joking around for the most part :) i'm in a goofy mood right now :) |
| 22:28:18 | hunger | tux_mike: Wow, you must be a good programmer then... as in "A good programmer can programm C in any language". |
| 22:28:47 | tux_mike | hunger: i wouldn't say a good programmer. :) but i love my pointers. |
| 22:28:50 | BigBoss | I code in about 10 languages, and I basically just believe in using the right tool for the job, I don't have any language bias |
| 22:29:27 | tux_mike | BigBoss: yah that's true. i do belive that every language serves a purpose :) |
| 22:29:46 | BigBoss | except for Forth :) |
| 22:29:54 | BigBoss | and Prolog :) |
| 22:30:08 | BigBoss | god I tried to use Prolog like 12 years ago, but holy crap |
| 22:30:09 | tux_mike | Intercal! :) |
| 22:30:34 | BigBoss | for me at the moment Python is about the most perfect language I've seen |
| 22:30:37 | BigBoss | I really like it |
| 22:30:50 | hunger | BigBoss: Yeap. python is cool. |
| 22:30:55 | tux_mike | i have to pick that up... i have the ORA book im my trunk :) |
| 22:31:04 | tux_mike | but first ASM :) |
| 22:31:14 | BigBoss | Python takes like 3 days to get in to. |
| 22:31:24 | tux_mike | i know |
| 22:31:33 | BigBoss | I've got one copy of Programming Python 2nd edition left for just $35 if anyone is interested |
| 22:31:40 | BigBoss | 1500 pages of Python goodness from O'Reilly |
| 22:31:43 | tux_mike | it'll be easy, but i just have to sit down and do it :) |
| 22:31:53 | tux_mike | that's the one i have in my trunk :) |
| 22:32:25 | BigBoss | you need a project to do really, just reading up only gets some in your head |
| 22:32:56 | tux_mike | yah... i have a few ideas |
| 22:33:09 | tux_mike | maybe something to speed this mac up |
| 22:33:10 | hunger | BigBoss: You don't really need a book to learn python. Their online docs are rather good. |
| 22:33:21 | tux_mike | i wonder how long QT is going to take to compile on it :) |
| 22:34:00 | BigBoss | hunger: I like reading books in bed and on the road |
| 22:34:31 | hunger | BigBoss: Me too. But to learn a programming language you need to use it. So I generally sit on a computer to do it anyway. |
| 22:35:40 | ljp-- | not me. I write programs in my head, and then just plug in the usb to the usb port I had implamted in my head... |
| 22:36:33 | hunger | ljp--: I had expected a fiber link instead of USB;-) |
| 22:37:49 | ljp-- | well.. thats all they had laying around in old Frankenstein's lab |
| 22:39:13 | kend-afk | tries to install vectoroids ipk! |
| 22:39:17 | kend-afk | cross your fingers! |
| 22:39:26 | kend-afk | who'd like to test this, if it works? :) |
| 22:40:36 | kendrick2 | w00t! |
| 22:40:57 | mark | kendrick2: ? |
| 22:41:13 | kendrick2 | no complaints from ipkg! |
| 22:41:22 | kendrick2 | crap - my icon's missing |
| 22:41:25 | kendrick2 | let's see if it loads, tho |
| 22:41:30 | kendrick2 | damn :( |
| 22:42:34 | tux_mike | kendrick2: what's wrong with it? |
| 22:42:44 | kendrick2 | hehe |
| 22:42:46 | kendrick2 | forgot to rename icon |
| 22:42:55 | kendrick2 | forgot to compile binary (i had 'mv'd it to cf card, last time, not 'cp' |
| 22:42:57 | kendrick2 | d) |
| 22:43:52 | kendrick2 | ok |
| 22:43:55 | kendrick2 | uninstall, reinstall |
| 22:43:56 | bewmIES | thanks kergoth for finally putting TODO in ASCII rather then XML. |
| 22:43:58 | kendrick2 | let's see if i fixed it :) |
| 22:44:58 | kendrick2 | you wanna try it out, tux_mike? |
| 22:45:31 | tux_mike | sure, i'm always up for more apps :) |
| 22:45:38 | tux_mike | you have my email? |
| 22:45:48 | kendrick2 | give it to me again |
| 22:45:54 | | you are Mike Crawford <mailto:mike@tuxnami.org> |
| 22:45:54 | tux_mike | ibot tux_mike |
| 22:45:55 | kendrick2 | you'll rpobably need to install onto Internal |
| 22:46:06 | kendrick2 | it'll eat up about 735k |
| 22:46:16 | kendrick2 | my qtopia's restarting |
| 22:46:18 | tux_mike | 'sokay, have sd rom :) |
| 22:46:20 | kendrick2 | let's see if it runs before i email you |
| 22:46:25 | kendrick2 | tux - it'll take a while to install, then ;) |
| 22:46:30 | tux_mike | yup |
| 22:46:56 | kendrick2 | crap |
| 22:47:03 | kendrick2 | ok, icon there, but no run :( |
| 22:47:26 | kendrick2 | oh shit :) |
| 22:47:35 | tux_mike | huh? |
| 22:47:38 | kendrick2 | wrong path ;) |
| 22:47:40 | kendrick2 | damnit! |
| 22:47:42 | tux_mike | oops |
| 22:48:22 | kendrick2 | one more try ;) |
| 22:48:34 | kendrick2 | lucky 3rd try ;) |
| 22:49:39 | tux_mike | realises he doesn't have his mail client open |
| 22:49:51 | kendrick2 | haven't sent yet ;) |
| 22:49:56 | kendrick2 | i dont want to waste your time :) |
| 22:50:42 | tux_mike | yah, i figured, but still, i have 118 new messages |
| 22:52:07 | bewmIES | hmm, OZ frm CVS is borked |
| 22:52:11 | kendrick2 | qtopia restarts... |
| 22:52:26 | tux_mike | bewmIES: hrm? |
| 22:52:45 | kendrick2 | on its way, mike |
| 22:52:46 | bewmIES | "Warning: unable to open an initial console" |
| 22:53:02 | tux_mike | coo |
| 22:53:25 | kendrick2 | awesome awesome! |
| 22:53:27 | bewmIES | Guess I'm going back to SD ROM for today |
| 22:53:30 | kendrick2 | this is going up on my site immediately :) |
| 22:53:47 | tux_mike | kendrick2: was this an SDL app? |
| 22:54:20 | kendrick2 | yeah |
| 22:54:30 | kendrick2 | oooh... hmm... will you need SDL installed for it to run? |
| 22:54:40 | kendrick2 | i think maybe... lemme run ldd on this sucker |
| 22:54:44 | kendrick2 | maybe i can compile it -static |
| 22:55:19 | kendrick2 | tell me if it runs |
| 22:55:40 | mark | someone tell me what ur talking about? |
| 22:55:57 | kendrick2 | me? |
| 22:56:59 | mark | kendrick2: what SDL app is this? |
| 22:57:44 | kendrick2 | vectoroids |
| 22:57:45 | hunger | Does SDL run on the Z? With touchpad support? |
| 22:57:53 | kendrick2 | hunger - yeah... neo ported it |
| 22:57:56 | d4n | hi....what ist qz3??? |
| 22:58:05 | tux_mike | kendrick2: wont install, ipkg is borked' |
| 22:58:06 | hunger | kendrick2: Cool. Where can I get it? |
| 22:58:14 | kendrick2 | not officially released yet, but his games are using SDL_mixer |
| 22:58:17 | kendrick2 | hunger - talk to neo |
| 22:58:36 | kendrick2 | tux_mike - you did Internal install? and you have lots of space? |
| 22:58:50 | hunger | kendrick2: That saves me writing my own GGI touchscreen driver:-) I can just use SDL instead. |
| 22:58:53 | scanline | is away: eating a little pseudomeat with my hot sauce |
| 22:59:11 | tux_mike | kendrick2: it can't pull control.tgz out of the ipkg, it doesn't even show up |
| 22:59:27 | kendrick2 | you using 'Add/Remove' or just ipkg from CLI/ |
| 22:59:32 | d4n | what ist qz3??? |
| 22:59:38 | tux_mike | kendrick2: both |
| 22:59:39 | kendrick2 | i think you mean "oz3"? |
| 22:59:45 | kendrick2 | that's bizarre |
| 22:59:48 | kendrick2 | it worked fine for me |
| 22:59:55 | kendrick2 | kendrick@amiga:~/games/vectoroids-1.0.8$ tar -tzf vectoroids_1.0.8_arm.ipk |
| 22:59:55 | kendrick2 | ./debian-binary |
| 22:59:55 | kendrick2 | ./data.tar.gz |
| 22:59:55 | kendrick2 | ./control.tar.gz |
| 22:59:56 | tux_mike | i call qinstall vectr... or ipkg intall vect... |
| 23:00:02 | d4n | kendrick: yes |
| 23:00:09 | kendrick2 | OpenZaurus beta 3 |
| 23:00:10 | kergoth | bewmIES: just fixed that bug. cvs up -PdA; |
| 23:00:13 | | kendrick2: sorry... |
| 23:00:13 | kendrick2 | ibot: oz |
| 23:00:14 | bewmIES | haha |
| 23:00:17 | | openzaurus is a Community version of the root filesystem / romimage for the Sharp Zaurus SL-5000d PDA. The Sourceforge site is at: http://sourceforge.net/projects/openzaurus |
| 23:00:17 | kendrick2 | ibot: openzaurus |
| 23:00:18 | NetAmp | Open Zaurus version Beta 3, Powered by Pingizauru(tm) |
| 23:00:20 | bewmIES | Didn't know you were here, I'm flashing flinders |
| 23:00:33 | kergoth | hehe. |
| 23:00:40 | kergoth | the ipkg wrapper was being a bitch |
| 23:00:42 | kendrick2 | that's an... interesting way of putting it ;) |
| 23:00:44 | bewmIES | I bet |
| 23:00:57 | kendrick2 | tux - what do you see when you do "tar -tzf" of the .ipk ? |
| 23:01:04 | hunger | Does somebody know wether I can download the official sharp romimage (2.13G) somewhere? I'd love to give oz3 a try, but I'd like to be able to get back to the original in case I don't like it;-) |
| 23:01:16 | kergoth | bewmIES: one of the opie developers is adding that symlink functionality to qipkg. if he's far enough, thatd be good enough for the moment. |
| 23:01:18 | kendrick2 | hunger - what do you have, SL-5000D or SL-5500? |
| 23:01:24 | tux_mike | same... very odd |
| 23:01:24 | bewmIES | wow that's cool |
| 23:01:25 | kergoth | hunger: use dd to back it up to CF |
| 23:01:27 | hunger | kendrick2: SL-5500G |
| 23:01:32 | bewmIES | Any plan to get the Network app fixed aytime soon? |
| 23:01:32 | kendrick2 | tux - don't run anything from term |
| 23:01:36 | kendrick2 | just click "Add/Remove" app |
| 23:01:36 | ljp-- | what time did you say it was? rum 30? |
| 23:01:39 | bewmIES | I was gonna spend some time on that one tonight |
| 23:01:43 | hunger | kergoth: How so? |
| 23:01:48 | kendrick2 | does openzaurus run on 5500's alright? |
| 23:01:49 | kergoth | bewmIES: yeah its on the list.. i'm working on the stupid little fs bugs atm |
| 23:01:58 | bewmIES | heh no prob, if nobody is working on it I will |
| 23:01:59 | kergoth | kendrick2: works the same on a 5500 as on a 5000 |
| 23:02:02 | bewmIES | I jsut dont' want to duplicate work |
| 23:02:10 | kergoth | same here, thats why i ditched the ipkg wrapper |
| 23:02:11 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:02:11 | kendrick2 | kerg - cool.. tells how much ram is avail? |
| 23:02:30 | kendrick2 | tux_mike - any better luck? |
| 23:02:41 | kergoth | kendrick2: there are two kernels for oz3 that'll work on a 5500.. one gives you all 64mb as ram, and just the 16mb flash for space.. the other is the standard 32/32 balance |
| 23:02:50 | tux_mike | kendrick2: i figured it out |
| 23:03:01 | tux_mike | this is the first time i've been annoyed at evolution |
| 23:03:10 | hunger | kergoth: What device is associated with the ROM? |
| 23:03:13 | kendrick2 | tux- hahahah |
| 23:03:19 | tux_mike | it saves files as 600, not 644, and i use NFS to copy the files to my Z |
| 23:03:21 | kendrick2 | borked the ipk on the way over? :) |
| 23:03:22 | kergoth | hunger: do this.. cat /proc/mtd |
| 23:03:32 | Rince | btw, does anyone know how an US-ROM would react if it gets flashed on a german SL5000G? |
| 23:03:33 | kendrick2 | oh - hmm |
| 23:03:38 | kergoth | hunger: do you see mtd0 with a description of 'mtdrom'? |
| 23:03:38 | tux_mike | kendrick2: no, i just had no permission :) |
| 23:03:46 | tux_mike | now installing |
| 23:03:47 | kendrick2 | oh! hahahaha |
| 23:03:48 | bewmIES | make openzaurus |
| 23:03:50 | kendrick2 | ok - tell me if it runs |
| 23:03:56 | kendrick2 | i assume you DO NOT have SDL packages installed :) |
| 23:03:59 | bewmIES | I shouldn't have to boot this shit I just flashed, right? |
| 23:04:02 | tux_mike | nope |
| 23:04:06 | kendrick2 | if it works, i release... if not, i try "-static" and send you another copy to test for me :) |
| 23:04:06 | bewmIES | I can just leave it off and re-flash with the new OZ? |
| 23:04:12 | kergoth | bewmIES: yeah |
| 23:04:15 | bewmIES | good |
| 23:04:20 | bewmIES | Should I do the hard reset anyway? |
| 23:04:25 | bewmIES | (Just not boot it) |
| 23:04:28 | hunger | kergoth: Yeap. |
| 23:05:03 | tux_mike | hrmmm.... i wnoder how many days this Mac is going to take to compile QT |
| 23:05:23 | kergoth | hunger: dd if=/dev/mtd0 of=/path/to/backup/filename bs=1024 # should do it.. though i dont have a 5500 |
| 23:05:41 | bewmIES | 2/clear |
| 23:05:43 | bewmIES | d'oh |
| 23:05:49 | kendrick2 | tux_mike - installed yet? |
| 23:06:01 | kergoth | bewmIES: shouldnt matter.. hard reset seems to just flip a flag.. just remember to hard reset after flashing oz3 so it properly zeros the mtdram |
| 23:06:11 | tux_mike | kendrick2: just finished, qpe is restarting |
| 23:06:14 | kergoth | bewmIES: I'm going to turn down the mtd debug level.. its wayyyyyy too high atm |
| 23:06:16 | bewmIES | Yeah, I'm botting it while I wait for this build |
| 23:06:19 | bewmIES | yeah |
| 23:06:26 | bewmIES | Will that get rid of the kernel messages overwriting Opie? |
| 23:06:29 | bewmIES | That is KILLING me |
| 23:06:42 | kendrick2 | tux_mike: if it just sits there when you click the icon, run "vectoroids" from terminal & tell me what it says :) |
| 23:07:09 | tux_mike | cant find libSDL :) |
| 23:07:13 | kergoth | bewmIES: ah, i'm not sure about those messages.. i think we need to pass a console= to redirect them elsewhere.. |
| 23:07:24 | kergoth | bewmIES: if you change the /dev/console symlink, it fixes some of them, but not all |
| 23:07:57 | kergoth | bewmIES: fyi, sharp_mmcsd_m is now in /etc/modules and should be modprobed on bootup |
| 23:08:03 | bewmIES | yeah |
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| 23:08:06 | NetAmp | ibot: slashdot |
| 23:08:32 | bewmIES | cool wrt mmcsd |
| 23:08:44 | hunger | kergoth: That's what I love about the Z! It's so very Linuxish! You can just reconfigure and play with it like with a desktop linux system! |
| 23:09:03 | kend-static | hang on a sec |
| 23:09:03 | bewmIES | Maybe it's Linuxish because it *is* Linux? |
| 23:09:05 | bewmIES | :) |
| 23:09:30 | NetAmp | hah |
| 23:09:37 | ljp-- | does anyone know.. does Handango allow people who bought something to download new versions also? BigBoss? |
| 23:09:38 | NetAmp | maybe... who knows ;) |
| 23:09:39 | tux_mike | kend-static: ill be afk for a while, gotta finish putting up the screen deck :) |
| 23:09:58 | hunger | bewmIES: So is the iPaq (with a bit of work). Yet you can't get down to the messy details as easily. |
| 23:10:10 | kend-static | barf! |
| 23:10:13 | kend-static | ok tux |
| 23:10:18 | bewmIES | The iPaq is PPC unless you _install_ Linux |
| 23:10:25 | bewmIES | The Z is Linux from the get-go. |
| 23:10:32 | bewmIES | Apples and oranges my friend. :) |
| 23:10:38 | NetAmp | ;) |
| 23:10:41 | hunger | bewmIES: Right. |
| 23:10:52 | ljp-- | BigBoss: you around? |
| 23:11:05 | kend-static | wtf! |
| 23:11:07 | NetAmp | With PPC, you get broken windows. With Z, you get a humpin' dinosaur ;) |
| 23:11:12 | kend-static | /usr/local/arm/arm-v4l-linux/bin/ld: cannot find -lSDL |
| 23:11:15 | kend-static | the hell you can't! |
| 23:11:16 | hunger | bewmIES: But I loved the iPaq because you were able to run linux on it. And the Z is *way* more linuxish, so I just had to get one asap. |
| 23:11:20 | kend-static | it's right there, where I pointed -L to! |
| 23:11:56 | NetAmp | Linux is like a wigwam: no windows, apache inside ;) |
| 23:12:00 | kend-static | fuck |
| 23:12:40 | | I want EARS! I want two ROUND BLACK EARS to make me feel warm 'n secure!! |
| 23:12:40 | NetAmp | ibot: yow |
| 23:12:40 | hunger | Now if only the Z would like my ethernet card:-( |
| 23:14:05 | kend-static | damn - i need Neo |
| 23:15:54 | hunger | Which zImage do I need to use for OZ3? |
| 23:16:12 | hunger | grumbles that they could have written at least a few lines of docs... |
| 23:16:22 | bewmIES | it's still beta |
| 23:16:31 | bewmIES | OZ 3 is, at least |
| 23:17:15 | ljp-- | I'd wait till OZ beta 3.. |
| 23:17:22 | hunger | bewmIES: I know it's beta. I don't mind. But a few lines like 'use zImage-beta2-20-12 if you want this and that' wouldn't hurt. |
| 23:17:27 | kend-static | anyone linked any stuff statically? |
| 23:17:33 | bewmIES | Did you look at sourceforge? |
| 23:17:47 | hunger | bewmIES: That's where I got the code. |
| 23:18:03 | bewmIES | [HIGHLY beta!!] |
| 23:18:12 | hunger | bewmIES: The docs section is empty, no release note, no ML that you could ask at, ... |
| 23:18:41 | bewmIES | http://ftp.engardelinux.org/pub/engarde/people/ryan/stash/zaurus/OZ-3-pre2.tar.gz |
| 23:18:46 | bewmIES | Try that one if the sourceforge page is confusing |
| 23:19:05 | ljp-- | highly beta and partially broke, unless to unpack the devices tarball and install liboipie manually |
| 23:19:11 | scanline | is back (gone 00:20:19) |
| 23:19:27 | bewmIES | All the devices are in the one I just pasted AFAIk |
| 23:19:34 | bewmIES | I didn't have to create any dev's with that one |
| 23:19:53 | bewmIES | (pre1 was a different story, though) |
| 23:20:02 | hunger | From what I saw devices were in the one I got from SF. |
| 23:20:25 | hunger | They were not on a RAMdisk as they are in the sharp image afaikt. |
| 23:21:48 | bewmIES | bbl, gotta go shopping before stores close |
| 23:23:30 | hunger | bewmIES: I think the version on SF is newer then the one at the URL you gave me. |
| 23:24:46 | hunger | bewmIES: And I still don't know which zImage I need to use. |
| 23:25:32 | hunger | will continue tomorrow. |
| 23:25:35 | hunger | Good night! |
| 23:25:59 | kend-static | rocks out to altered Tempest 2000 MODs |
| 23:26:06 | HrAbbey | Any reports on the new OZ3? Good, bad, ugly? |
| 23:26:11 | kend-static | I wish I could find originals somewhere (not that I dont have the game, AND the CD soundtrack ;) ) |
| 23:30:20 | kend-static | signs up with handango |
| 23:32:42 | ljp-- | oh.. I love the Z's filemanager where you can't delete directories |
| 23:33:19 | kend-static | hehe |
| 23:34:23 | ljp-- | what idiot thought that one up? |
| 23:34:36 | kergoth | hunger: what do ya need to know? |
| 23:35:22 | kergoth | hunger: 32-32 is 5500 only.. nomtdram has no ramdisk.. all the RAM is available as such |
| 23:35:45 | kergoth | hunger: 20-12 is 20 megs of RAM ,12 megs ramdisk, 26-6 is 26 and 6, respectively... those are 5000 only |
| 23:55:30 | kend-static | i need a .a file i think |
| 23:55:32 | kend-static | vs. .so files |
| 23:55:33 | kend-static | d'oh!!!! |
| 23:55:47 | kend-static | can i create on out of the other? |
| 23:56:33 | NeoTron | and I'm back |
| 23:56:41 | NeoTron | Evan is back in bed to take a nap |
| 23:56:42 | kend-static | heya :) |
| 23:56:42 | NeoTron | hopefully |
| 23:56:47 | kend-static | so just in time :) |
| 23:56:51 | kend-static | i figure out why ld was bitching |
| 23:56:54 | kend-static | i only have .so's |
| 23:57:02 | kend-static | no libSDL.a ;) |
| 23:57:27 | kend-static | so i have two choices... (1) whine til you send me some .a files to compile -static against |
| 23:57:39 | kend-static | or (2) stick the libSDL.so ARM libs in my IPKG (yuck) |
| 23:58:22 | kergoth | kend-static: create a ipk of arm libsdl and have your ipk depend on it |
| 23:58:45 | kend-static | well, i want people to just be able to install one IPKG, if possible :) |
| 23:58:45 | tux_mike | kend-static: back |
| 23:59:01 | kend-static | and i dunno if neo would get annoyed if i redistribute stuff :) |
| 23:59:02 | kend-static | neo? |
| 23:59:04 | kergoth | kend-static: certainly, you'll eHarlekin: we havent done a merge |
| 23:59:07 | kergoth | er |
| 23:59:10 | kergoth | damn clipboard |
| 23:59:12 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:59:17 | kergoth | needs a drink |
| 23:59:35 | kend-static | neo neo neeeeo :) |
| 23:59:46 | NeoTron | or 3) depend on libSDL and make use of my sdl packages. :P |