| 00:00:19 | BigBoss | no, but one of our customers can't install tkcJabber because of some error and he is set up like that |
| 00:01:16 | ljp-- | ya.. I've heard of few reports of things like that |
| 00:01:44 | ljp-- | interesting idea, tho. I think kergoth is working on an option like that for OZ3 |
| 00:01:53 | roge99 | i tried the 1.10 one and had problems right away |
| 00:02:00 | BigBoss | is that actually a supported configuration? |
| 00:02:10 | ljp-- | no |
| 00:02:14 | Twiun | Supported |
| 00:02:28 | Twiun | Hrmm... I was about to say: Supported is such a broad term ;-) |
| 00:02:55 | Neo|Work | it's really rather slow, mainly installs and such |
| 00:02:59 | Twiun | BB: Supported minimally via the mailinglist by that rom's author |
| 00:03:12 | Neo|Work | I think it'd be a lot better if you used tmpfs for the /home/tmp/ dir though |
| 00:03:35 | Cam_ | that's a bit unfair, Paul is a very helpful guy |
| 00:05:38 | Twiun | Cam_: Sorry that probably came out a bit harshly |
| 00:05:44 | Cam_ | :) |
| 00:06:00 | Twiun | Bah - it's too late for me to make comments |
| 00:06:13 | Twiun | is about to fall asleep at the keyboard again |
| 00:06:16 | Cam_ | I work in the same office, for the time being at least.... Paul bought his Z full price |
| 00:06:40 | Twiun | at 350? |
| 00:06:52 | Cam_ | yeah whatever it cost from the UK Sharp |
| 00:07:09 | Twiun | Same as me... it hurt to see them go at J1 |
| 00:08:04 | Cam_ | yep. Wish Sharp would do more for the European developers |
| 00:09:11 | Twiun | nods |
| 00:13:02 | Neo|Work | trust me, not only european developers are bitter about the J1 pricing |
| 00:13:29 | Neo|Work | anyone know if Jason ever got that $200 price for contestants that didn't make the beta price cutoff |
| 00:13:37 | Neo|Work | or was that lost in favor to j1? |
| 00:14:00 | Cam_ | Neo|Work: that's news to me; never heard about that |
| 00:14:28 | Twiun | no idea |
| 00:15:43 | roge99 | hey Hellaenergy |
| 00:15:50 | kergoth | re |
| 00:17:42 | Twiun | Anyone fancy giving me a quick critique (working on my java-faq-site)? |
| 00:24:27 | Twiun | Right... I'm off to Z-land... g'night folks |
| 00:24:31 | Twiun | waves |
| 00:24:36 | kergoth | night Twiun |
| 00:35:47 | kergoth | e |
| 00:38:40 | MSpin | e? |
| 00:38:56 | kergoth | s/e/re/ |
| 00:38:59 | kergoth | :-) |
| 00:44:46 | MSpin | ahh |
| 00:44:51 | MSpin | mm...vim/perl |
| 01:00:22 | riskable | Howdy folks |
| 01:01:33 | | feed is a package repository or http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds or http://www.zauruszone.com/feed/ |
| 01:01:33 | riskable | ibot feed |
| 01:16:55 | tux_mike | hey warmi |
| 01:16:57 | warmi | hi |
| 01:18:13 | Riskable_zaurus | Ahh, logged in from my desktop AND my Z |
| 01:18:49 | Riskable_zaurus | I was thinking about starting my java book tonight |
| 01:18:59 | warmi | java book ? |
| 01:19:07 | warmi | reading or writing ? |
| 01:19:08 | warmi | heh |
| 01:19:12 | Riskable_zaurus | I want to write a typing tutor game for the Z :) |
| 01:19:27 | Riskable_zaurus | reading ;) |
| 01:19:37 | warmi | heh ... learning typing on Z |
| 01:19:42 | warmi | that's double challenge |
| 01:19:51 | Riskable_zaurus | hehe |
| 01:19:55 | warmi | but once you get past that you will fly on the real keyboard |
| 01:20:02 | Riskable_zaurus | I thought it would be funny |
| 01:20:15 | warmi | yeah, why not |
| 01:20:21 | Riskable_zaurus | I love puzz-le btw |
| 01:20:33 | warmi | as a tutorial for people who want to get better at typing using their Z |
| 01:20:41 | warmi | riskable: thanks:-) |
| 01:20:44 | Riskable_zaurus | exactly |
| 01:21:06 | finkployd | is anyone coming out with one of those fold out keyboards like Targus makes for the Palm and iPaq? |
| 01:21:18 | Riskable_zaurus | I installed opie's address book but I'm not sure it took |
| 01:21:30 | warmi | finkployd: I doubt there will be as populat on Z since it has one build in |
| 01:21:34 | Riskable_zaurus | Probable finkployd |
| 01:21:37 | warmi | there > these |
| 01:22:06 | warmi | riskable: have you ever wrote anything in Java before ? |
| 01:22:08 | finkployd | warmi: The built in one is a nice alternative to graffiti, but not to actual typing |
| 01:22:53 | warmi | finkployd: well, let's put it that way .... I would more inclined to buy one if I owned one of these keyboardless PDAs |
| 01:23:06 | warmi | but, if there is enough demand , somebody will sell this |
| 01:23:22 | finkployd | Does the port on the bottom of the Z support this? |
| 01:23:32 | warmi | beats me |
| 01:23:33 | Riskable_zaurus | warmi: nope, I'm a n00b |
| 01:23:46 | Neo|Work | goes home. |
| 01:23:52 | Neo|Work | is away: gone home. |
| 01:24:01 | warmi | risable: how about any programming language ? |
| 01:25:03 | riskable | I took "Advanced Data Structures in C" once when I was in college |
| 01:25:43 | warmi | huh .. just like that out of blue into advanced data structs ? |
| 01:25:44 | riskable | I figured Java would be the language to learn for the Z, since I don't have to bother with memory management and I hear it's fairly simple |
| 01:25:45 | warmi | heheh |
| 01:25:55 | warmi | yeah, Java is OK |
| 01:26:06 | riskable | Yeah, no kidding, I actually took it twice because I failed the first time. That was UMASS' Programming intro course |
| 01:26:19 | warmi | I personally do prefer C++ + Qt but that would be harder to learn |
| 01:26:34 | riskable | The first week was a hello world app, the second was linked lists I think |
| 01:26:44 | warmi | heheh |
| 01:26:45 | riskable | It was rediculous |
| 01:27:01 | riskable | I blame UMASS for me leaving college and becoming a SysAdmin |
| 01:27:09 | warmi | yeah, does sound like that |
| 01:27:38 | riskable | It was a "weeding" class. i.e. complete BS |
| 01:27:50 | warmi | well, some people say Sys Admin is the best job out there ( not me though ) |
| 01:27:51 | finkployd | I find it funny that Penn State did not consider me good enough to have a Comp Sci degree, but good enough to hire as a Senior Systems Programmer for their Unix/Mainframe infrastructure :) |
| 01:28:04 | ljp-- | linked list? whats that? |
| 01:28:05 | riskable | I was a computer geek with a very strong interest in programming and they totally turned me off |
| 01:28:24 | peanut | is the pacman rom for zmame free? |
| 01:28:24 | finkployd | linked lists are easy |
| 01:28:31 | warmi | well, my CS ( which was done in Poland - I grew up there ) was basically 80% math |
| 01:29:05 | riskable | Yeah, the UMASS CS degree requires tons of math... Calc 1, 2, and 3 (which is not called Calc) |
| 01:29:12 | andyschm | CS is technically a subfield of mathematics... or electrical engineering if thats what you like. |
| 01:29:18 | riskable | ...and all the prerequesites |
| 01:29:30 | riskable | I completely and utterly dissagree |
| 01:29:58 | riskable | After programming in PHP for a while now I can totally say that you only need to know basic math to be a programmer |
| 01:30:09 | warmi | no it was part of Math for me ... engineering was more like "applied science" :-) |
| 01:30:29 | warmi | riskable: depends what are you doing |
| 01:30:41 | riskable | If you want to program applications for the OS from the ground up like 3D games, sure you need your calc and high level math, but for standard web-based stuff, you're still a programmer and you could be very good at it |
| 01:30:45 | warmi | for 99% of stuff high school math will be enough |
| 01:30:46 | andyschm | depends what you want to do. |
| 01:30:53 | riskable | At colleges there's absolutely no middle ground |
| 01:31:30 | warmi | well, riskable.... I am sure they will eventually create something like "software developer" degree |
| 01:31:40 | riskable | It seems like you either get a hardcore CS/math degree, or you get a fluff VB program |
| 01:31:45 | warmi | with less intense math but more programming skills etc |
| 01:31:51 | peanut | smiles.. |
| 01:31:59 | peanut | you don't need college to do IT |
| 01:32:07 | andyschm | you don't need a cs degree to be a programmer... |
| 01:32:12 | riskable | I agree, especially if you're a sysadmin :) |
| 01:32:44 | warmi | well, that is true for some people with enough selfdrive to learn this stuff on their own |
| 01:32:51 | riskable | has no degree and works at a Tier 1 ISP as a Unix SysAdmin responsible for ~4500 enterprise-class sytems |
| 01:32:53 | andyschm | but if you want to do interesting stuff like clustering, real-time, machine learning... php ain't gonna cut it. ;> |
| 01:32:53 | peanut | warmi: agreed |
| 01:33:10 | warmi | but there is a lot of theory that you won't find in average book at Borders but which comes handy sometimes |
| 01:33:26 | peanut | andyschm: true.. but most schools don't teach that either :) |
| 01:33:33 | peanut | warmi: thats true.. |
| 01:33:38 | peanut | it takes a certain type of mind.. |
| 01:33:47 | peanut | has met many a college IT person who is basically clueless |
| 01:33:49 | riskable | If I were to do "clustering" I'd setup a bunch of MySQL servers, Apache boxes, and link them all with LVS :) (SysAdmin's idea of clustering) |
| 01:33:52 | warmi | anyway, I have yet to use 10% of my math skills |
| 01:33:59 | warmi | in fact, I forgot most of it .. |
| 01:34:03 | warmi | it has been 10 years now |
| 01:34:06 | riskable | Wow |
| 01:34:15 | peanut | scored 800 on his math sats |
| 01:34:20 | peanut | i went to penn state |
| 01:34:26 | peanut | i use very little math |
| 01:34:29 | andyschm | oh yeah (i'm at UCB right now) |
| 01:34:30 | warmi | is that good or bad ....:-) ? |
| 01:34:31 | peanut | i agree, 10% tops.. |
| 01:34:32 | riskable | I love the SysAdmin job listings... "requires CS degree..." |
| 01:34:44 | peanut | riskable: how about "Requires a clue" |
| 01:34:48 | riskable | Like a CS degree is going to teach you jack sh*t about being a good SysAdmin |
| 01:34:55 | riskable | LOL |
| 01:35:24 | riskable | I admit it, I didn't have a clue what I was doing when I started out... Sure thought I did though! Hah! |
| 01:35:41 | riskable | "I'm gonna be an MCSE and make a fortune", I said to myself |
| 01:35:48 | riskable | ROFLOL |
| 01:35:52 | warmi | yeah, sysadmin is more of a skill that one learns as the years go by |
| 01:35:52 | peanut | heheheheh |
| 01:36:06 | warmi | how old are you riskable ? |
| 01:36:06 | peanut | i wouldn't touch a mc whatever with a 100' pole |
| 01:36:10 | Austin | Some would argue that a CS degree doesn't guarantee you're a good programmer, either. |
| 01:36:13 | riskable | How old do I sound? |
| 01:36:20 | peanut | riskable: 23 |
| 01:36:20 | warmi | I don't know ... 22 |
| 01:36:27 | peanut | warmi: *grin* |
| 01:36:30 | riskable | peanut wins... A peanut! |
| 01:36:33 | warmi | haha |
| 01:36:52 | riskable | ...but I'm guessing he's severely allergic to peanuts |
| 01:36:56 | andyschm | hmm... i need a docbook viewer.. |
| 01:36:59 | peanut | shit.. |
| 01:37:10 | peanut | opie-sysinfo broke something.. |
| 01:37:35 | riskable | hehe, be vewy vewy careful when installing from that ZaurusZone feed ;) |
| 01:37:43 | warmi | riskable: do you plan to go back to school sometime in the future ? |
| 01:37:44 | peanut | ahh.. i need to symlink.. |
| 01:37:49 | riskable | warmi: Probably not |
| 01:37:59 | peanut | is not installed from the ZZ feed.. |
| 01:38:12 | peanut | riskable: you should soon or you never will.. trust me. |
| 01:38:14 | warmi | well, after X years of experience your education becomes less and less importand |
| 01:38:24 | riskable | If I get turned down for a job because I don't have a degree at this point, the hiring folks have something up their a$$ and I probably don't want to work there |
| 01:38:35 | warmi | but eventually you might hit the glass celling if you want to go into management positions |
| 01:38:59 | riskable | I promised myself that I'd never go into management unless I started my own business |
| 01:39:23 | riskable | I know what you mean though about the glass ceiling |
| 01:39:28 | riskable | ...but I have yet to see it in practice |
| 01:39:31 | peanut | warmi: unless you luck into a management position.. |
| 01:39:34 | peanut | then get experience in that.. |
| 01:39:44 | peanut | then it won't matter there either that much :) |
| 01:40:09 | riskable | Maybe someday, in the distant future, if my company survives, they'll have some job openings that I could apply for internally |
| 01:40:09 | mtm | andyschm: docbook viewer? for the Z? |
| 01:40:17 | warmi | well, that is true but I know folks with CS degree in managment working on their MBA because it is what's reguired to move higher |
| 01:40:49 | peanut | warmi: agreed |
| 01:41:00 | riskable | What I don't understand is the unwritten law that managers have to make more money than the people they manage |
| 01:41:06 | peanut | warmi: depends where you work and what your life goals are.. |
| 01:41:13 | tux_mike | anyone have an example of Rich text in QT? |
| 01:41:20 | peanut | doesn't want to be rich, just comfortable, my family, my wife, my child are more important to me. |
| 01:41:21 | warmi | theoretically because they are responsible for any problems etc .. |
| 01:41:23 | riskable | For instance, the manager (now former manager, he moved to a different group) didn't do jack |
| 01:41:31 | warmi | if you fuck up , it is your manager who will have to answer for that |
| 01:41:39 | warmi | or so goes the theory |
| 01:42:02 | warmi | but , in practice, things tend to be less defined |
| 01:42:08 | riskable | Doesn't matter... He surfed the web all day and occasionally went to a meeting. He had absolutely no technical knowledge, nor any real idea of what we did. |
| 01:42:35 | riskable | Does he deserve more money than a crack team of SysAdmins? |
| 01:42:54 | peanut | riskable: where are you located? is your salary on par with others? sometimes they pay people less w/o degrees. |
| 01:42:57 | warmi | yeah, I am senior developer and I have a dude who is our manager who knows nothing but he is very good at bullshiting and has that certain "smoothness" that is required to move up |
| 01:43:07 | peanut | warmi: hehe |
| 01:43:11 | riskable | If we screw up, he just skirts around the issue... Kinda like how he skirted around the issues we presented before him |
| 01:43:24 | warmi | frankly, I was offered managerial positions but I am not ready yet |
| 01:43:36 | riskable | I make just as much as my other coworkers, but our entire company is underpaid |
| 01:43:42 | peanut | has a quasi tech/management job. |
| 01:43:45 | warmi | I enjoy coding too much for this and I am only (that's relative) 32 .. |
| 01:44:01 | peanut | and they pay ain't bad.. |
| 01:44:16 | peanut | ls -l |
| 01:44:18 | peanut | ls -l |
| 01:44:21 | riskable | I mean, my pay isn't bad, but it's like $5k under the average for our state |
| 01:44:22 | peanut | oops.. |
| 01:44:42 | warmi | well, you most likely make as much as I do and without CS degree :-) |
| 01:44:45 | warmi | I make 77 K |
| 01:44:48 | riskable | My company has never given me a raise, yet I've been there for 1.5 years and had 6 reviews that had "excellent" in every mark |
| 01:45:13 | peanut | riskable: so maybe the lack of the degree is doing something? |
| 01:45:20 | peanut | warmi: not bad.. |
| 01:45:20 | riskable | I make $62k |
| 01:45:26 | warmi | hehe .. I know in US it is considered "no in good tone" to reveal ones salary but I don't believe in that |
| 01:45:30 | warmi | I am not from US :-) |
| 01:45:35 | riskable | Actually, no one has gotten a raise except for upper management because my company is in the crapper |
| 01:45:41 | finkployd | riskable: I hope to someday make that much :) |
| 01:45:46 | riskable | Hiring freeze, pay freeze... If it's a freeze, we've got it on |
| 01:45:49 | peanut | makes 108k a year.. |
| 01:46:02 | peanut | waits to see how many people take that seriously.. |
| 01:46:05 | peanut | hehehe |
| 01:46:12 | warmi | same here in Tribune ... they are doing well but to maximise stock prices there will be no raises this year |
| 01:46:14 | riskable | Really peanut? |
| 01:46:19 | peanut | hehehe.. |
| 01:46:31 | kergoth | finally |
| 01:46:34 | peanut | works at a university.. you've got be kidding me :) |
| 01:46:41 | kergoth | my opie packages for OZ work flawlessly |
| 01:46:42 | riskable | Well, my company's stock is under a dollar at this point so I don't blame them =P |
| 01:46:44 | kergoth | whew |
| 01:46:47 | warmi | riskable: where are you located ? |
| 01:46:50 | riskable | MA, USA |
| 01:47:00 | finkployd | works at a University also |
| 01:47:17 | warmi | is it more expensive place to live than Chicago ? |
| 01:47:22 | finkployd | Doesn't pay as well, but the job security makes up for it (at least in my mind) |
| 01:47:25 | riskable | I used to work at two colleges when I was on my "I'm gonna be the best MCSE ever!" path |
| 01:47:40 | peanut | finkployd: which one? |
| 01:47:45 | finkployd | Penn State |
| 01:47:53 | finkployd | I'm a mainframe systems programmer :) |
| 01:47:57 | peanut | ahhh.. |
| 01:48:00 | riskable | Well, the cost of living in MA is currently a little over 200% more than the national average... I don't know where Chicago is at |
| 01:48:10 | peanut | does psu have a separate IT schedule? |
| 01:48:11 | finkployd | I run linux on the largest and smallest devices :) |
| 01:48:18 | riskable | I worked at Bentley College and Regis College |
| 01:48:24 | finkployd | peanut: no |
| 01:48:31 | warmi | well, I do not live in Chicago ... actually 30 miles south from the city ... |
| 01:48:33 | finkployd | But they pay us pretty well |
| 01:48:36 | warmi | things are much cheaper here |
| 01:48:47 | riskable | Never hire a CS graduate from Bentley unless he/she passes a rigorous "computer reality" test |
| 01:48:53 | warmi | hehe |
| 01:49:05 | finkployd | I'm an undergrad student with no degree (working towards one though) making 36k. Not bad when you are living in the middle of nowhere |
| 01:49:10 | riskable | Regis College has a CS program, but the top-level programming course is in VB |
| 01:49:34 | warmi | of course finkployd .. and I assume you have no family or kids to worry about |
| 01:49:35 | finkployd | Penn State has a Microsoft owned (practically) program |
| 01:49:44 | warmi | all this stuff tends to add up |
| 01:49:45 | finkployd | warmi: Nope |
| 01:49:52 | peanut | where i work.. (rutgers u) we have a separate pay schedule for IT people.. |
| 01:50:29 | peanut | with the top 5 ranges going over 100k |
| 01:50:34 | riskable | Regis is an all-girls school... Was fun working there (when I was 20 =) |
| 01:50:43 | finkployd | I can make over 100k, but it will be a while |
| 01:50:44 | warmi | well, Tribune is not known for high salaries but they are resonably secure place to work at |
| 01:50:48 | finkployd | I'm only 23 |
| 01:50:54 | riskable | We have a pay scale at my work too... All sorts of "bands" |
| 01:51:01 | peanut | is 27 |
| 01:51:06 | finkployd | We have "grade levels" |
| 01:51:10 | riskable | LOL |
| 01:51:18 | finkployd | Ironically I'm also at a grade 23 |
| 01:51:29 | finkployd | I'm hoping the grade level progresses with my age |
| 01:51:39 | warmi | heh |
| 01:51:44 | riskable | I need to find a new company |
| 01:52:00 | riskable | does a quick search on dice.com |
| 01:52:07 | warmi | riskable: well, you should wait if you can ... |
| 01:52:16 | warmi | now is not the best time but it will improve |
| 01:53:05 | warmi | actually, now is better time than in December because new people have new budgets etc .. but it is still sellers market |
| 01:53:30 | riskable | I agree, the job market sucks right now |
| 01:53:42 | finkployd | thus, why I am at a university :) |
| 01:53:48 | riskable | Got 33 results for "unix administrator" in my area though :) |
| 01:54:01 | riskable | I need to buy a house too, this sucks |
| 01:54:10 | riskable | currently lives at home :( |
| 01:54:26 | riskable | ...with parents 6 months out of the year |
| 01:54:41 | finkployd | I've been living in apartments for 4 years :( |
| 01:54:41 | warmi | well, with that kind of salary I am sure you can afford something |
| 01:54:44 | riskable | Winter rocks because they're in FL, but Summer blows, hehe |
| 01:54:56 | riskable | Well, MA is kind of unique |
| 01:55:58 | warmi | allright .. time to do some coding .. |
| 01:56:03 | riskable | I'm looking for a 2 bedroom condo (to convert one bedroom into computer room) with ~900-1000 square feet. How much do you think that would cost? :) |
| 01:56:16 | riskable | So far, everything in that range is $170k and up |
| 01:56:20 | peanut | riskable: depends entirely on the area |
| 01:56:24 | peanut | wow.. |
| 01:56:27 | peanut | this is MA right? |
| 01:56:35 | riskable | Yep, North Shore MA |
| 01:56:41 | peanut | has almost 2700 sq ft |
| 01:56:48 | fink_masturbatin | (this is a joke for another channel, do not be alarmed) |
| 01:56:52 | fink_masturbatin | :) |
| 01:56:54 | peanut | on about .44 of an acre |
| 01:57:15 | peanut | i bought for 162 3 years ago.. |
| 01:57:21 | peanut | its worth 215 now |
| 01:57:23 | peanut | not bad.. |
| 01:57:28 | peanut | is thinking of trading up.. |
| 01:57:39 | riskable | My sister is moving to Atlanta, GA, and my other sister is moving to FL because they can't afford homes up here |
| 01:57:53 | riskable | Florida is wicked cheap :) |
| 01:57:59 | peanut | which rom do i want for pacman? |
| 01:58:09 | riskable | $150k for a decked out condo with a pool! |
| 01:58:10 | peanut | was looking at moving to ga to work for emory. |
| 01:58:14 | riskable | Your own PERSONAL pool! |
| 01:58:18 | peanut | but they couldn't even come close |
| 01:58:21 | peanut | in $$ |
| 01:58:37 | riskable | Yeah, there aren't too many decent SysAdmin jobs in FL :) |
| 01:58:42 | roge99 | Riskable you may want to look in Southern NH |
| 01:58:52 | peanut | shit.. kstars is not even compiled? |
| 01:58:57 | peanut | looks where he put the sdk.. |
| 01:59:02 | finkployd | Pittsburgh is supposed to have alot of IT jobs now |
| 01:59:15 | riskable | Actually, I *am* looking at southern NH, what a coincidence :) |
| 01:59:22 | roge99 | im in CT |
| 01:59:28 | riskable | Only problem is I work in middle MA |
| 01:59:55 | peanut | ouch.. |
| 02:00:00 | peanut | commutes almost 2 hours each way.. |
| 02:00:04 | roge99 | CT isnt bad |
| 02:00:05 | peanut | you could ! |
| 02:00:06 | finkployd | damn! |
| 02:00:08 | riskable | ...and everyone I know is on North Shore MA which has the worst access to 93 and Rt 3 (which go to souther NH) |
| 02:00:10 | peanut | CT is very expensive |
| 02:00:17 | roge99 | Naa |
| 02:00:19 | finkployd | how could you stand commuting 4 hours a day? |
| 02:00:21 | roge99 | not too bad |
| 02:00:22 | riskable | Yeah, CT would be worse, LOL |
| 02:00:33 | riskable | currently commutes 20 minutes each way |
| 02:00:34 | peanut | finkployd: sharpmobile! |
| 02:00:38 | finkployd | haha! |
| 02:00:40 | roge99 | depends where in CT |
| 02:00:41 | peanut | hehehe |
| 02:00:42 | riskable | LOL |
| 02:00:46 | tux_mike | i wish i could start making money |
| 02:00:50 | finkployd | I commute 5 minutes a day |
| 02:00:53 | finkployd | Sometimes I walk |
| 02:01:09 | peanut | makes a decent living and has great benefits.. flexable work schedule.. |
| 02:01:23 | peanut | leaves home around 8pm |
| 02:01:27 | peanut | i get home around 5:30 |
| 02:01:31 | peanut | 8am |
| 02:01:33 | peanut | :) |
| 02:01:33 | Riskable_zaurus | switching to Z mode... getting something to eat |
| 02:01:53 | Riskable_zaurus | has to work on sundays |
| 02:01:54 | roge99 | peanut: where are you at ? |
| 02:02:22 | peanut | east coust |
| 02:02:26 | peanut | coast.. |
| 02:02:30 | peanut | the wonderful state of DE |
| 02:02:37 | Riskable_zaurus | Damn, all we have is ramne |
| 02:02:47 | Riskable_zaurus | ramen rather |
| 02:02:52 | tux_mike | is confused |
| 02:03:11 | Riskable_zaurus | Boondock yankee |
| 02:03:33 | Riskable_zaurus | My uncle lives in DE |
| 02:03:44 | peanut | there's nothing wrong with DE |
| 02:04:20 | Riskable_zaurus | Yes, very exciting place :) |
| 02:04:42 | peanut | lives on a large pond/lake |
| 02:04:47 | Riskable_zaurus | DE is on CNN like every day |
| 02:04:50 | peanut | with a nice little waterfall |
| 02:05:00 | peanut | i have a sailboat |
| 02:05:07 | peanut | 2 dogs that like the water |
| 02:05:08 | Riskable_zaurus | NICE |
| 02:05:16 | peanut | its not bad.. |
| 02:05:18 | roge99 | peanut: sounds nice |
| 02:05:24 | Riskable_zaurus | used to race sailboats |
| 02:05:38 | Riskable_zaurus | 420s |
| 02:05:40 | peanut | it is.. |
| 02:06:13 | peanut | check it out www.smalleyscove.org |
| 02:06:18 | Riskable_zaurus | It does sound ncie |
| 02:06:30 | peanut | that was taken from my from porch |
| 02:06:43 | peanut | i push my boat down through that opening.. |
| 02:06:45 | roge99 | sweet |
| 02:06:58 | Riskable_zaurus | loads up the URL in embedded opera |
| 02:07:17 | peanut | ok.. so who was saying de sucks? |
| 02:07:21 | roge99 | how much land do you have |
| 02:07:23 | peanut | grins |
| 02:07:27 | peanut | about .44 of an acre |
| 02:07:33 | peanut | its not that large.. |
| 02:07:47 | roge99 | nice location though |
| 02:07:52 | peanut | the land you're looking at is our community's (21 homes) private open space |
| 02:08:05 | roge99 | sweet |
| 02:08:13 | Riskable_zaurus | it does look quaint |
| 02:08:32 | peanut | riskable: and it was incredibly cheap (still is!) |
| 02:08:42 | peanut | our house is almost 2700 sq ft |
| 02:08:48 | roge99 | wow |
| 02:08:49 | peanut | and is just over 200k |
| 02:08:51 | roge99 | that is cheap |
| 02:09:11 | peanut | but.. |
| 02:09:15 | peanut | there's always a but.. |
| 02:09:26 | peanut | you wouldn't want to see the neighbors behind us :( |
| 02:09:27 | roge99 | my neighbor has her house on the market its around the same size w/ 2acres 329K |
| 02:09:38 | tux_mike | can someone explain the concept of virtual methods to me, i don't seem to be getting something, because i call it and it won't compile. |
| 02:09:38 | peanut | thats not bad.. |
| 02:09:58 | roge99 | dairy farm behind us |
| 02:10:03 | peanut | nice.. |
| 02:10:04 | roge99 | go cow tippen |
| 02:10:09 | peanut | hehehe |
| 02:10:36 | warmi | virtual methods in C++ ? |
| 02:10:48 | Riskable_zaurus | 2700 square feet would be like 400k in MA... maybe more |
| 02:11:03 | tux_mike | warmi: yah |
| 02:11:12 | roge99 | yep |
| 02:11:17 | peanut | hrmm.. |
| 02:11:24 | warmi | well, are you trying to override Qt class protected method ? |
| 02:11:25 | roge99 | I thought you said CT would be worse ? |
| 02:12:06 | peanut | is there a quick zmame howto somewhere? |
| 02:12:57 | Riskable_zaurus | begins cooking his ramne |
| 02:13:01 | Riskable_zaurus | ramen |
| 02:13:38 | peanut | i downloaded the pacland rom |
| 02:13:43 | tux_mike | well, in AbTable (which inherits QTable) there is a virtual method void setRowStretchable( int row, bool stretch ) and when i call it in a method of AbTable, the compiler bombs and gives this error (which is most perplexing) abtable.cpp:764: implicit declaration of function `int setRowStrechable(...)' |
| 02:15:30 | peanut | argh.. |
| 02:15:54 | warmi | yeah ... |
| 02:16:07 | warmi | compiler gives you a hint .... you wanted void method |
| 02:16:11 | warmi | but specified int |
| 02:16:39 | warmi | look at what compiler says .. he refuses to compile int setRowStrechable () ... not void setRowStrechable() |
| 02:16:49 | tux_mike | hrm? i called it like this: setRowStrechable( row, true ); |
| 02:17:25 | warmi | compiler obviously doesn't see that method .. |
| 02:18:03 | Riskable_zaurus | makes a note that its fun to post/browse the Zaurus@LL forums from a Z |
| 02:18:44 | warmi | how do you call that method ??? |
| 02:19:12 | peanut | is anyone using zmame? |
| 02:19:20 | tux_mike | http://qtdoc.tuxnami.org/qtable.html#c89605 |
| 02:19:47 | tux_mike | sorry, wrong anchor http://qtdoc.tuxnami.org/qtable.html#61d64d |
| 02:20:16 | warmi | try to call it QTable::setRowStrechable |
| 02:20:22 | peanut | hrmm.. |
| 02:22:32 | tux_mike | warmi: says no method |
| 02:22:40 | peanut | hrmm.. |
| 02:22:58 | kergoth | tux_mike: you realize thats a slot right... to be connected to, not called directly.. and you do implement a setRowStrechable slot in ABTable right? |
| 02:23:01 | kergoth | re btw |
| 02:23:02 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:23:05 | peanut | is starting to think mame is not very helpful.. |
| 02:23:49 | warmi | kergoth: slot is just another function can be called just like ordinary function |
| 02:24:01 | Riskable_zaurus | is away eating ramen for a few minutes |
| 02:24:09 | kergoth | warmi: really? ive never called a slot directly, i tend to use them the way they're intended. hehe |
| 02:24:14 | kergoth | :-) |
| 02:24:16 | tux_mike | yah, i call slots all the time |
| 02:24:32 | kergoth | btw opie packages for oz work.. |
| 02:24:40 | warmi | let me check this out a bit more tux |
| 02:24:43 | kergoth | embeddedkonsole doesnt like me anymore.. but other than that.. |
| 02:25:16 | tux_mike | warmi: ok, i'm begining to think qte doesn't have this method |
| 02:25:59 | gepeto | |
| 02:26:01 | gepeto | uh? |
| 02:26:03 | gepeto | boo |
| 02:26:09 | kergoth | argh |
| 02:26:12 | Gepeto | ph33r me ;) |
| 02:26:15 | kergoth | re Gepeto |
| 02:26:20 | tux_mike | hrm... it's there in the header file... |
| 02:26:22 | Gepeto | laughs for unexplainable reasons |
| 02:26:28 | warmi | no , you should be able to call it directly .. |
| 02:26:29 | Gepeto | hey kergoth |
| 02:26:48 | warmi | unless you are overriding this method yourself then you need to call it QTable::blabla |
| 02:27:24 | tux_mike | warmi: AbTable doesn't reimplement it |
| 02:29:14 | warmi | well, what's happening is that compiler doesn't find it for some reason ... and things you are calling your own method which , of course is not defined, that is why it indicates it is int setStrechable |
| 02:29:34 | tux_mike | ... |
| 02:29:56 | tux_mike | hrm. |
| 02:29:59 | warmi | is this qte ? |
| 02:30:01 | warmi | or qt ? |
| 02:30:03 | MEGASTeP | is away: I'm away, dammit |
| 02:30:04 | tux_mike | qte |
| 02:30:10 | warmi | let me see .. |
| 02:31:44 | warmi | virtual void setRowStretchable( int row, bool stretch ); |
| 02:31:54 | warmi | diffferent spelling mike |
| 02:32:03 | tux_mike | ok, if this was it, i'm gonna kick my self in the face |
| 02:32:16 | tux_mike | fsck i spelt it wrong. |
| 02:32:23 | tux_mike | ah, and you caught it too |
| 02:32:35 | warmi | I just found correct speling in table.h |
| 02:32:37 | warmi | :-) |
| 02:32:39 | tux_mike | feels like a dufus now |
| 02:32:54 | kergoth | is away: gone |
| 02:33:04 | warmi | allright ... back to coding |
| 02:35:27 | Riskable_zaurus | is done with his ramen |
| 02:36:29 | Riskable_zaurus | I don't think checken flavor is as good as beef |
| 02:37:00 | peanut | shit.. |
| 02:37:08 | peanut | comcast's dns servers are down.. |
| 02:37:28 | Riskable_zaurus | so use some different ones |
| 02:37:41 | peanut | hrmm.. |
| 02:38:57 | Riskable_zaurus | I have every IP on the net memorized |
| 02:39:16 | Riskable_zaurus | 2.0.0.1 |
| 02:39:21 | Gepeto | uh uh |
| 02:39:25 | Riskable_zaurus | 2.0.0.2 |
| 02:39:34 | Gepeto | adds |
| 02:39:37 | Riskable_zaurus | I cane keep going :) |
| 02:39:39 | Gepeto | nameserver Riskable_zaurus to his resolv.conf |
| 02:39:51 | Gepeto | do you know domains that resolve to these IPs? :) |
| 02:39:56 | Riskable_zaurus | LOL |
| 02:40:18 | Riskable_zaurus | I haven't memorized the inn-addr.arpa table yet |
| 02:40:22 | Gepeto | Riskable_zaurus: I want my zaurususus us uus usus |
| 02:41:14 | Gepeto | Riskable_zaurus: I want more stuff on Zaurus.ll ! And more comments too :) |
| 02:41:35 | peanut | can anyone get to www.rutgers.edu? |
| 02:41:54 | Gepeto | ask Riskable_zaurus the Ip :) |
| 02:42:00 | Gepeto | and yes I can |
| 02:42:20 | riskable | is back at his PC |
| 02:43:15 | riskable | 128.6.4.5 is www.rutgers.eduIP |
| 02:43:36 | riskable | The web server itself is what's broke |
| 02:43:58 | riskable | Actually, I'm getting a timeout... More likely a firewall issue |
| 02:44:02 | riskable | ...or a network problem |
| 02:44:09 | Gepeto | here it works |
| 02:44:19 | Gepeto | About: |
| 02:44:20 | Gepeto | The University |
| 02:44:20 | Gepeto | Academics |
| 02:44:21 | Gepeto | Research |
| 02:44:21 | Gepeto | etc |
| 02:44:22 | peanut | is thinking the morons at our main campus are futzing with something.. |
| 02:44:31 | peanut | Gepeto: I think thats cached.. hit reload |
| 02:44:41 | riskable | No, the problem is with Sprint's crappy IP network |
| 02:44:54 | peanut | shit.. |
| 02:44:59 | peanut | can't get anywhere |
| 02:45:01 | riskable | The router at 144.232.15.244 seems to be having major issues |
| 02:45:07 | Gepeto | peanut: no it really works |
| 02:45:14 | Gepeto | I mean I had never went there before ;) |
| 02:45:28 | peanut | can't get to slashdot |
| 02:45:42 | Gepeto | I cant either BUT |
| 02:45:49 | Gepeto | 127.0.0.1 slashdot.org |
| 02:45:49 | Gepeto | 127.0.0.1 slashdot.com |
| 02:45:49 | Gepeto | 127.0.0.1 www.slashdot.com |
| 02:45:50 | Gepeto | 127.0.0.1 www.slashdot.org |
| 02:45:55 | Gepeto | so that explains it :) |
| 02:45:56 | riskable | LOL |
| 02:46:24 | riskable | Well, if it's any consolation I can't get to Slashdot either |
| 02:47:07 | tux_mike | nani? |
| 02:47:24 | tux_mike | i'm not resolving |
| 02:47:26 | riskable | Slashdot just popped back online |
| 02:47:30 | peanut | yep.. |
| 02:47:36 | roge99 | I just got to i a short while a go but it took a while to load |
| 02:47:37 | peanut | i think the net is not a happy camper tonight.. |
| 02:47:55 | riskable | Sprintlink's network is what caused the outtage... I was doing a traceroute and it was bouncing back on itself |
| 02:48:12 | peanut | makes it real hard to do work.. |
| 02:48:13 | peanut | bums.. |
| 02:48:18 | riskable | Router 144.232.13.185 and 144.232.13.186 were looping |
| 02:48:39 | riskable | LOL, they must be using RIP |
| 02:48:41 | tux_mike | lol |
| 02:49:46 | riskable | From the looks of it they just had a classic RIP update loop |
| 02:50:24 | riskable | Actually, they couldn't possibly be using RIP, I mean, it's so old. Right? (sigh) |
| 02:50:46 | riskable | I'd hope they're using BGRP in which case they probably just had some network admin goof up |
| 02:51:14 | riskable | Someone probably pushed out a bad update and it fscked the spanning tree |
| 02:53:17 | | riskable: what? |
| 02:53:17 | riskable | ibot feed for Gepeto |
| 02:53:21 | | feed is, like, a package repository or http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds or http://www.zauruszone.com/feed/ |
| 02:53:21 | riskable | ibot feed |
| 02:53:38 | | tux_mike: sorry... |
| 02:53:38 | tux_mike | ibot feed me |
| 02:53:42 | tux_mike | damn |
| 02:53:46 | riskable | hehe |
| 02:53:52 | | you are, like, responsible for http://zaurus.loveslinux.com/ |
| 02:53:52 | riskable | ibot: riskable |
| 02:54:03 | | you are Mike Crawford <mailto:mike@tuxnami.org> |
| 02:54:03 | tux_mike | ibot me |
| 02:54:36 | | riskable: sorry... |
| 02:54:36 | riskable | ibot: gepeto |
| 02:55:00 | tux_mike | ugh. of all the stupid mistakes to make! |
| 02:55:01 | | it has been said that roge99 is a knight of NI |
| 02:55:01 | roge99 | ibot: roge99 |
| 02:55:11 | tux_mike | i'm going to bed after this compiles |
| 02:55:18 | roge99 | he |
| 02:55:50 | peanut | does anyone here use zmame? |
| 02:56:07 | | ...but tux_mike is Mike Crawford <mailto:mike@tuxnami.org>... |
| 02:56:07 | tux_mike | ibot i am making too many mistakes tonight |
| 02:56:08 | riskable | I haven't tried it, but I have it on my SD card :) |
| 02:56:19 | | ibot is, like, a Micro$oft minion lurking on this channel in the hopes of obtaining innovative technology to add to the next Windoz release. or a looser |
| 02:56:19 | riskable | ibot: tell me about yourself |
| 02:56:45 | peanut | who runs ibot? |
| 02:56:54 | | i haven't a clue, peanut |
| 02:56:54 | peanut | ibot: who is your owner |
| 02:56:59 | riskable | LOL |
| 02:57:20 | | peanut: i don't know |
| 02:57:20 | peanut | ibot: who has root? |
| 02:57:21 | riskable | Maybe NetAmp runs ibot? He seems to use it the most |
| 02:57:28 | | He loves scripting |
| 02:57:28 | riskable | ibot: NetAmp |
| 02:57:38 | riskable | Yeah, its him, hehe |
| 02:57:40 | | peanut: excuse me? |
| 02:57:40 | peanut | ibot: peanut |
| 02:57:41 | | tux_mike: huh? |
| 02:57:41 | tux_mike | ibot tux_mike has root |
| 02:57:46 | ][N-Flux | hey peeps |
| 02:57:46 | tux_mike | damn |
| 02:57:51 | riskable | LOL |
| 02:57:58 | peanut | ok.. so back to zmame.. |
| 02:58:06 | | OK, tux_mike. |
| 02:58:06 | tux_mike | ibot peanut is neither a pea nor a nut |
| 02:58:29 | ][N-Flux | what about it |
| 02:58:30 | tux_mike | peanut: what's the question on zmame? |
| 02:58:31 | | i guess peanut is neither a pea nor a nut |
| 02:58:31 | riskable | ibot: peanut |
| 02:58:36 | riskable | Nice |
| 02:59:11 | | ...but riskable is responsible for http://zaurus.loveslinux.com/... |
| 02:59:11 | riskable | ibot: I am the Czar of http://Zaurus.LovesLinux.com |
| 02:59:30 | | i heard riskable was responsible for http://zaurus.loveslinux.com/ |
| 02:59:30 | riskable | ibot: riskable |
| 02:59:31 | peanut | ok.. so zmame -lr lists what files i need.;. |
| 02:59:32 | | Gepeto: sorry... |
| 02:59:32 | Gepeto | ibot: I'm the whore of http://Zaurus.LovesLinux.com |
| 02:59:36 | Gepeto | awww :) |
| 02:59:40 | riskable | LOL |
| 03:00:29 | tux_mike | peanut: what does the list look like... i forget my mame commands and my brain is half dead |
| 03:01:03 | peanut | This is the list of the ROMs required for driver "pacman". |
| 03:01:03 | peanut | Name Size Checksum |
| 03:01:04 | peanut | pacman.6e 4096 bytes c1e6ab10 |
| 03:01:23 | peanut | the problem is, the rom i have for pacman doesn't match that.. |
| 03:01:28 | peanut | ok.. |
| 03:01:29 | tux_mike | ok, those are the rom files, you want to put them in a zip file. |
| 03:01:40 | peanut | i don't have those files.. |
| 03:01:43 | tux_mike | you need to make sure you have the parent roms |
| 03:01:55 | peanut | in fact, all of the roms i have found aren't included in zmame :( |
| 03:01:59 | Riskable_zaurus | is signing off his Z for a moment |
| 03:02:05 | tux_mike | check with mame.dk, i think pacman requires puckman |
| 03:02:14 | peanut | puckman? |
| 03:02:24 | tux_mike | original version |
| 03:02:33 | peanut | yeah.. it says clone of puckman |
| 03:02:51 | peanut | i've owner various versions of pacman, but how do i get the rom? (sorry, i'm totally new to this) |
| 03:02:54 | tux_mike | yah, clone of means you need that rom archive |
| 03:03:05 | peanut | is there a hardware device that I can download from the cartridges? |
| 03:03:05 | tux_mike | look around |
| 03:03:13 | ][N-Flux | look on the net |
| 03:03:15 | tux_mike | peanut: this isn't from cartridges |
| 03:03:21 | Gepeto | if I have a 5000 what Rom should I use? !.12 or 1.13 ? |
| 03:03:25 | ][N-Flux | used to be able to use mame.dk but that no longer works |
| 03:03:34 | tux_mike | they are from rom chips on the pacman standup mobo |
| 03:03:55 | tux_mike | none of your pacman are the roms from the arcade games |
| 03:03:57 | peanut | tux_mike: does mame.dk have roms there? |
| 03:04:09 | peanut | ahhh... |
| 03:04:18 | tux_mike | no havent for a while, i think they went down now |
| 03:05:45 | tux_mike | i think i have a merged pacman rom |
| 03:09:12 | peanut | why did make.dk stop distributing roms? |
| 03:09:15 | peanut | lawsuit? |
| 03:09:37 | Gepeto | bandwith costs maybe :) |
| 03:10:29 | tux_mike | bw costs |
| 03:11:19 | peanut | argh.. |
| 03:11:24 | | feed is a package repository or http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds or http://www.zauruszone.com/feed/ |
| 03:11:24 | Gepeto | ibot feed |
| 03:12:34 | tux_mike | peanut: email |
| 03:12:49 | peanut | tux_mike: my email? |
| 03:12:54 | tux_mike | yah |
| 03:13:05 | peanut | tomryan.camlaw.rutgers.edu |
| 03:13:18 | peanut | hrmm.. |
| 03:13:19 | tux_mike | second . = @? |
| 03:13:22 | | Gepeto: huh? |
| 03:13:22 | Gepeto | ibot you stink |
| 03:13:25 | peanut | yup |
| 03:13:45 | peanut | none of the zip files i'm finding have the same file names BUT they all say for mame.. |
| 03:13:47 | peanut | wtf |
| 03:13:56 | Hellaenergy | man this smc card is tiny :) |
| 03:14:04 | Hellaenergy | no blocking anything |
| 03:14:39 | tux_mike | i sent it. i don't know if it will work, this is for a much older version of mame |
| 03:14:59 | peanut | thanx.. |
| 03:15:04 | peanut | what gives though.. |
| 03:15:07 | peanut | is frustrated.. |
| 03:15:46 | tux_mike | well, things change in the roms |
| 03:16:05 | tux_mike | mame isn't the most user friendly emu |
| 03:16:10 | peanut | i'll say.. |
| 03:16:17 | peanut | argh.. |
| 03:16:41 | peanut | for instance.. |
| 03:16:44 | peanut | http://www.isd.net/mame/romdown.htm |
| 03:16:47 | peanut | has all kinds of roms.. |
| 03:16:54 | peanut | but so far, none of them work with zmame |
| 03:17:07 | tux_mike | http://www.mame.dk/gameinfo/puckman/ |
| 03:17:23 | peanut | i looked at that.. |
| 03:17:48 | peanut | for one thing.. |
| 03:17:59 | peanut | where the hell are these 82s file? |
| 03:18:12 | tux_mike | roms |
| 03:18:24 | tux_mike | different chips |
| 03:18:40 | tux_mike | where? i don't know. they may be in my archive |
| 03:20:54 | tux_mike | peanut: my merged rom should work. the puckman crcs check out |
| 03:21:33 | peanut | argh.. |
| 03:21:35 | peanut | damn net |
| 03:22:12 | tux_mike | ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- |
| 03:22:12 | tux_mike | <tomryan.camlaw@rutgers.edu> |
| 03:22:13 | tux_mike | (reason: 550 <tomryan.camlaw@rutgers.edu>... User unknown) |
| 03:22:17 | tux_mike | bounce |
| 03:22:22 | peanut | tux_mike: tomryan@ |
| 03:22:30 | tux_mike | ah |
| 03:22:32 | peanut | camlaw.rutgers.edu |
| 03:23:30 | bewmIES_ | yawn |
| 03:23:35 | bewmIES_ | I gotta find a new fucking job. |
| 03:23:39 | tux_mike | done |
| 03:24:00 | tux_mike | bewmIES: you and me both |
| 03:24:19 | bewmIES | I was here Sunday night until 2 today |
| 03:24:23 | bewmIES | Now I'm back in again on 3hrs sleep |
| 03:24:37 | bewmIES | Normally I don't mind but I'm just not up to these hours this week. |
| 03:25:03 | tux_mike | i lack jobbage. i'm flat broke. |
| 03:25:14 | tux_mike | finally. i can commit and go to bed |
| 03:25:17 | bewmIES | ouch |
| 03:25:19 | bewmIES | heh |
| 03:25:25 | bewmIES | cvs commit -m "good night" |
| 03:26:44 | tux_mike | one more major feature to add |
| 03:26:57 | tux_mike | the picker at the bottom |
| 03:29:20 | tux_mike | i've mucked with most of the files in the addressbook |
| 03:32:26 | peanut | tux_mike: awesome! |
| 03:32:27 | peanut | thanx! |
| 03:33:01 | tux_mike | peanut: hu? wha? |
| 03:33:03 | tux_mike | oh |
| 03:33:06 | tux_mike | welcome |
| 03:34:27 | bewmIES | heh cool |
| 03:36:04 | peanut | needs to find a kewl pacman.png |
| 03:38:10 | tux_mike | sleep |
| 03:38:49 | bewmIES | sleep is for the weak |
| 03:38:49 | bewmIES | :) |
| 03:41:20 | peanut | is off |
| 03:41:24 | peanut | night all |
| 04:01:53 | JasonNJ2 | heya. |
| 04:02:04 | JasonNJ2 | anyone know anything about MIPS processors? |
| 04:04:58 | BigBoss | sure, I can build you one with string and gum |
| 04:05:45 | JasonNJ2 | this a new AMD pda chip that was announced today |
| 04:05:48 | JasonNJ2 | http://www.alchemysemi.com/product_info/au1100/index.html |
| 04:05:57 | JasonNJ2 | trying to figure out if it has floating point capabilities |
| 04:06:40 | BigBoss | I heard about it |
| 04:06:49 | BigBoss | the lack of fp on the zaurus is a bitch |
| 04:07:09 | JasonNJ2 | the only thing I like about this chip is it is so highly integrated |
| 04:07:13 | JasonNJ2 | packs a lot of stuff on one chip |
| 04:07:19 | JasonNJ2 | we could really make a tiny device with that |
| 04:07:25 | JasonNJ2 | the problem is that it is MIPS |
| 04:07:37 | JasonNJ2 | and that would be binary incompatible with what we have now |
| 04:08:14 | BigBoss | well the strong arm has run its coars I think |
| 04:08:51 | JasonNJ2 | yeah |
| 04:08:59 | JasonNJ2 | but ARM has some interesting stuff going forward |
| 04:09:04 | JasonNJ2 | the ARM-11 is going to be sick |
| 04:09:11 | JasonNJ2 | will have ARM V6 instructions |
| 04:09:15 | BigBoss | they haven't updated the ARM in years |
| 04:09:19 | JasonNJ2 | ARM V5 backward compatible |
| 04:09:21 | BigBoss | weren't you thinking about PPC? |
| 04:09:28 | JasonNJ2 | and will have FPU |
| 04:09:29 | JasonNJ2 | and |
| 04:09:34 | JasonNJ2 | built in java accelration |
| 04:09:38 | JasonNJ2 | like 10x |
| 04:09:45 | BigBoss | but when? |
| 04:09:50 | JasonNJ2 | I saw a very impressive demo of it at javaone |
| 04:09:52 | JasonNJ2 | summer |
| 04:09:55 | JasonNJ2 | for first silicon |
| 04:09:58 | BigBoss | what's the MHZ? |
| 04:09:58 | JasonNJ2 | called the PrimeXsys |
| 04:10:02 | JasonNJ2 | 400 plus |
| 04:10:08 | BigBoss | if it is BC then that is very compelling |
| 04:10:24 | BigBoss | but if the cross compilers are good, then it isn't a huge deal |
| 04:10:32 | BigBoss | how is the price point? |
| 04:12:13 | JasonNJ2 | dunno |
| 04:12:20 | JasonNJ2 | but I am going to call them this week |
| 04:12:25 | JasonNJ2 | the tools will have to be good though |
| 04:12:41 | BigBoss | what about the new intel offerin g? |
| 04:12:49 | JasonNJ2 | the alchemy seems to have a lot of stuff builtin |
| 04:12:50 | JasonNJ2 | xscale? |
| 04:12:56 | JasonNJ2 | just a faster strongarm |
| 04:12:59 | JasonNJ2 | no FPU |
| 04:13:09 | riskable | Interesting |
| 04:13:12 | JasonNJ2 | so for multimedia stuff its a evolutionary dead end |
| 04:13:20 | JasonNJ2 | the arm-11 however |
| 04:13:27 | JasonNJ2 | is an advanced version of arm-10 |
| 04:13:35 | JasonNJ2 | which has a vector floating point unit |
| 04:13:47 | JasonNJ2 | is compatible with strongarm |
| 04:13:51 | JasonNJ2 | and has newer instructions |
| 04:13:52 | BigBoss | well that is just stupid from Intel then |
| 04:13:58 | JasonNJ2 | plus the built in java accelerator |
| 04:14:01 | JasonNJ2 | the Jazelle technology |
| 04:14:05 | JasonNJ2 | which is really sweet |
| 04:14:18 | JasonNJ2 | java apps run as fast as C code with it |
| 04:14:22 | BigBoss | I don't care about the Java, but having something that is touted as multimedia, actually HAVE multimedia abilities would be good |
| 04:15:04 | riskable | makes note that puchasing that java 2 book was a good idea |
| 04:15:23 | riskable | makes another note that Qtopia NEEDS to be able to send Java apps into the background |
| 04:15:27 | BigBoss | riskable: put the kivio image back on your site so I can show Whardier and Jason (if you would be so kind) |
| 04:15:36 | riskable | It's still there :) |
| 04:16:20 | BigBoss | It wasn't this morning, or last night when I looked |
| 04:16:46 | riskable | Ahh, I see, it's there now |
| 04:16:58 | riskable | I upgraded PostNuke and didn't move that image over |
| 04:17:12 | riskable | http://zaurus.loveslinux.com/images/kivio.png |
| 04:17:37 | BigBoss | jason: check this image - it is theKOmpany mascot, but I think it makes a better Opie mascot :) |
| 04:19:04 | riskable | Do you have a fresh version of that mascot (i.e. all by itself)? |
| 04:19:29 | BigBoss | yea somewhere, the artist has him |
| 04:19:33 | BigBoss | I'll ask for some copies |
| 04:19:36 | NeoTron | The opie mascot kicks major butt |
| 04:19:49 | riskable | The Opie logo is the same as OZ |
| 04:19:54 | JasonNJ2 | a robot ostrich? |
| 04:20:16 | JasonNJ2 | dont ostriches put their head in the sand? |
| 04:20:23 | BigBoss | it's not an ostrich |
| 04:20:25 | JasonNJ2 | hardly an image I think opie and zaurus needs :) |
| 04:20:41 | JasonNJ2 | a duck? |
| 04:20:47 | BigBoss | as opposed to pingizauri? |
| 04:20:54 | BigBoss | it's unique |
| 04:20:56 | JasonNJ2 | fire breathing dinosaur penguins? |
| 04:20:59 | BigBoss | a quasi duck head |
| 04:21:20 | JasonNJ2 | oh yeah, thats so much better than a fire breathing dinosaur penguin! |
| 04:21:33 | BigBoss | better realized |
| 04:21:33 | riskable | LOL |
| 04:21:49 | BigBoss | we actually spent an insane amount of time designing him |
| 04:21:59 | BigBoss | don't ask why, but I got obssessed with it |
| 04:22:08 | BigBoss | I had several artists involved |
| 04:22:16 | riskable | LOL |
| 04:22:33 | riskable | Thought you were releasing tkcPlayer today? |
| 04:23:00 | bewmIES | Yeah, I'm not sure how much I like the Opie mascot. |
| 04:23:10 | bewmIES | It's cute and all but I think there could be a better one. :) |
| 04:23:14 | JasonNJ2 | I like the opie mascot from a conceptual point of view |
| 04:23:26 | JasonNJ2 | I am not sure the actual representation should be the final one |
| 04:23:27 | BigBoss | riskable: we ended up writing a whole new decoder for MP3 so we needed another day for testing. |
| 04:23:39 | BigBoss | I've been playing mp3's and ogg's for the last few hours and they seem flawless |
| 04:23:40 | JasonNJ2 | a godzilla penguin sounds cool |
| 04:24:15 | BigBoss | I've got this ogg that is a blue grass version of "you shook me all night long" by Ac/Dc and it is funny as hell |
| 04:24:25 | riskable | I have that in mp3 format |
| 04:24:30 | riskable | ...somewhere |
| 04:25:12 | bewmIES | /bfide/MP3/Phish/Gone_Phishin_-_A_Bluegrass_Tribute/ |
| 04:25:20 | bewmIES | That's pretty neat stuff and I'm not into bluegrass that much. |
| 04:26:12 | Zxcvb | is there any official fix for the fact that if you connect to the net with a CF modem (or whatever), anyone on the net can get full access to any file on the zaurus without even a password? |
| 04:26:28 | BigBoss | that's a feature |
| 04:26:33 | bewmIES | You mean the ftpd on 4242? |
| 04:26:43 | riskable | I thought the ftp deamon on port 4242 only listens on the USB interface? |
| 04:26:47 | Zxcvb | bewmIES: yes, the one with no access controls |
| 04:26:50 | bewmIES | No, that's not true at all |
| 04:26:56 | bewmIES | zxcvb: You can turn it off |
| 04:27:02 | bewmIES | I'm trying to remmeber now |
| 04:27:05 | bewmIES | s/now/how/ |
| 04:27:20 | Zxcvb | bewmIES: any idea when there will be an official fix? |
| 04:27:28 | bewmIES | It's a feature, there is no fix. |
| 04:27:38 | bewmIES | I agree it should be tuneable via Qtopia somehow. |
| 04:27:47 | Zxcvb | bewmIES: it's a feature that anyone on the internet can download all your private data? |
| 04:27:56 | bewmIES | Don't bitch to me, I dont' work for Sharp. |
| 04:28:00 | BigBoss | sure - it's more convenient that way |
| 04:28:12 | whardier | http://vash.umgllc.com/short.png <- I cut my hair |
| 04:28:20 | BigBoss | they are expecting to have to hack through a bunch of stuff, and they don't have to now :) |
| 04:28:35 | BigBoss | whardier: http://zaurus.loveslinux.com/images/kivio.png |
| 04:28:37 | riskable | is trying to ftp in on port 4242 right now and it's not letting him |
| 04:28:37 | BigBoss | that is our mascot |
| 04:28:45 | whardier | thanks Bb |
| 04:29:00 | Zxcvb | riskable: login:root, password:<null> |
| 04:29:15 | bewmIES | rwm@ryan:~$ ftp rwm-zaurus 4242 |
| 04:29:15 | bewmIES | Connected to rwm-zaurus.inside.guardiandigital.com. |
| 04:29:15 | bewmIES | 220 Qtopia transfer service ready! |
| 04:29:15 | bewmIES | Name (rwm-zaurus:rwm): |
| 04:29:21 | bewmIES | That's over ethernet, not USB |
| 04:29:31 | whardier | trebb: but thats a kompany mascot.. not an OZ mascot |
| 04:29:44 | riskable | riskable@enki(~/My Documents)$ ftp 10.0.0.120 4242 |
| 04:29:44 | riskable | Connected to 10.0.0.120. |
| 04:29:44 | riskable | 421 Service not available, remote server has closed connection |
| 04:30:23 | BigBoss | whardier: but we don't use him and we spent all that time |
| 04:30:34 | BigBoss | I'm saying that if the interest is there, we could work something out |
| 04:30:45 | riskable | riskable@enki(~/My Documents)$ ftp 192.168.129.201 4242 |
| 04:30:45 | riskable | Connected to 192.168.129.201. |
| 04:30:45 | riskable | 220 Qtopia transfer service ready! |
| 04:30:45 | riskable | 530 Please login with USER and PASS |
| 04:30:46 | riskable | 530 Please login with USER and PASS |
| 04:30:49 | riskable | KERBEROS_V4 rejected as an authentication type |
| 04:30:50 | riskable | Name (192.168.129.201:riskable): root |
| 04:30:52 | riskable | 331 User name ok, need password |
| 04:30:54 | riskable | Password: |
| 04:30:56 | riskable | 230 User logged in, proceed |
| 04:30:59 | riskable | Remote system type is UNIX. |
| 04:31:00 | riskable | Using binary mode to transfer files. |
| 04:31:01 | NeoTron | smells a fish brewning. :P |
| 04:31:02 | riskable | ftp> |
| 04:31:05 | riskable | SOrry for the spam, but I had to get that out in the open |
| 04:31:07 | riskable | So it only works over USB |
| 04:31:21 | bewmIES | For you, not in general. |
| 04:31:28 | riskable | the ftp listener is only listening on the usbd0 interface |
| 04:31:41 | riskable | It may be different on the 5000D ROMs |
| 04:31:42 | bewmIES | root@localhost:~# netstat --inet -anp | grep :4242 |
| 04:31:42 | bewmIES | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:4242 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 224/qpe |
| 04:31:49 | bewmIES | ahh, may be |
| 04:31:51 | riskable | I'm running the commercial ROM: 2.12 |
| 04:31:58 | bewmIES | What does that netstat show? |
| 04:33:17 | riskable | Netstat shows that it's listening on 0.0.0.0:4242 |
| 04:33:36 | riskable | ...and the 201 address |
| 04:36:10 | riskable | It appears that the daemon itself is what's refusing the connection |
| 04:36:33 | riskable | ANYWAY, I'm off to bed. You can't FTP in over the wireless network :) |
| 04:36:52 | riskable | I'll be back in the channel tomorrow morning... Slacking off at work |
| 04:36:57 | riskable | See you blokes latah |
| 04:38:08 | bewmIES | Well there is a way to turn it off entirely. |
| 04:38:20 | bewmIES | Google it, maybe i'll pop up there. I know it was on the zaurus-general list a ways back |
| 04:38:41 | bewmIES | aha |
| 04:39:14 | bewmIES | What is your email address, I'll fwd you this message |
| 04:41:15 | Zxcvb | got a URL? |
| 04:41:26 | bewmIES | No, it's an email message |
| 04:41:42 | bewmIES | If you want to try to search for it here are some headers |
| 04:41:47 | bewmIES | Message-ID: <3C7AC437.4080001@ftel.co.uk> |
| 04:41:55 | bewmIES | Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 23:09:43 +0000 |
| 04:41:59 | bewmIES | From: Paul Flinders <P.Flinders@ftel.co.uk> |
| 04:42:01 | bewmIES | Subject: Re: [Zaurus-general] ftp on port 4242 |
| 04:51:42 | Zxcvb | apparently installing openssh solves the issue, but breaks sync |
| 04:52:06 | bewmIES | Solves what problem? |
| 04:52:25 | Zxcvb | openssh sets a root password when installed |
| 04:52:36 | Zxcvb | so you can safely use a CF modem on the zaurus |
| 04:53:05 | bewmIES | You can set a root password using 'passwd' from a shell :) |
| 04:53:08 | bewmIES | You don't need openssh to do that. |
| 04:53:59 | Zxcvb | has anyone hacked the sync software to support root passwords? |
| 05:00:18 | bewmIES | No, I'm not even sure the source to qtopiadesktop is available. |
| 05:00:29 | NeoTron | it is not |
| 05:10:26 | JasonNJ2 | anyone see that cool new opie security app? |
| 05:18:53 | bewmIES | yawn |
| 05:23:13 | andyschm | wheeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 05:51:16 | KumaSan | anyone know of a GPS CF card that linux can use in the Zaurus? |
| 06:01:06 | bewmIES | Nope, did you check myzaurus.com? |
| 06:01:18 | bewmIES | Hmm they don't have any on there. |
| 06:07:57 | NeoTron | I want a fupping stylus darn it |
| 06:08:16 | bewmIES | I want stores to start selling chargers |
| 06:16:16 | KumaSan | I want a way to do netstumbpling, but with only one CF slot... |
| 06:42:00 | Com[Plex] | hello? |
| 06:58:22 | scanline | is away: ZzZzZzzz |
| 07:05:13 | andyschm | ping test |
| 07:22:26 | Rince | good morning |
| 07:34:44 | Rince | question: has anyone already used the zaurus as terminal for Unix-Servers? connecting a serial cable? |
| 07:40:45 | NeoTron | oh yeah. :P |
| 07:41:56 | Rince | what kind of cable do you need for that? |
| 08:01:39 | NeoTron | my note wasn't an answer to your question |
| 08:01:48 | NeoTron | however I suppose the sharp serial cable you can buy should work |
| 09:43:07 | mark_ | anyone know how the Z is selling? |
| 09:51:25 | andyschm | amazon.com sales rank; hp jornada-568: 459, ipaq-3765: 149, z-5500: 78. Not bad considering it hit the market so recently. |
| 09:51:40 | Rince | amazon.com has it? nice |
| 09:52:12 | mark_ | yeh thats not bad |
| 09:52:25 | mark_ | wonders how many non-unixers have it |
| 09:52:45 | andyschm | probably not many... |
| 09:53:49 | andyschm | the cheaper pdas (< $00) sell a lot more... but they are also inferior. ;) |
| 09:55:26 | mark_ | yeh |
| 09:55:36 | mark_ | i wonder how many sharp predicted to sell |
| 09:55:46 | mark_ | apparently industry analysts reckon a big success |
| 09:56:42 | Sebd | Hello, what about the european market ? Seems like it hasn't reached the UK yet. |
| 09:56:59 | andyschm | I think the geek market is oft underestimated... geeks have money and really drool on toys like this. |
| 09:57:38 | mark_ | true |
| 09:57:45 | mark_ | but how many are there |
| 09:57:52 | andyschm | some people have been able to order from overseas... apparently from outpost.com? |
| 09:58:19 | mark_ | Sebd: not launched yet, but soon iirc |
| 09:58:57 | Sebd | mark_ : what do you mean iirc ? |
| 09:59:24 | andyschm | I never thought I would buy a pda... never... I thought they were the most idiodic devices... until the z came along.. |
| 10:02:20 | mark_ | if i recall correctly |
| 10:07:43 | bewmIES | I wonder (too) how many Sharp was planning to sell. |
| 10:07:51 | bewmIES | Most stores that stock them only got five units or so. |
| 10:08:02 | bewmIES | Which kinda makes me wonder if they are not planning for a huge reception. |
| 10:08:17 | bewmIES | Or if they're just being careful. :) |
| 11:29:59 | nnn | can I install Familiar on any Zaurus? |
| 11:30:36 | nnn | or do I have to wait for openzaurus? |
| 11:36:22 | bewmIES | I'm not sure but AFAIK Familiar only works with the iPaq at this time and it is a goal of the OZ project to be Familiar-based in the future. |
| 11:36:35 | bewmIES | You can however install misc. Familiar packages on your Z here and there. |
| 11:37:32 | nnn | ugh, I thought so, i can't access OZ's main page, so mind to tell me how would it differ from Familiar or the current installed OS? |
| 11:37:59 | Nermal | meep |
| 11:40:44 | nnn | damn this connection :| |
| 11:48:56 | bewmIES | I have no idea. |
| 11:49:08 | bewmIES | As far as I know Familiar uses Opie as does OZ so in that sense they're roughly the same. |
| 11:49:18 | bewmIES | Check out opie.handhelds.org |
| 11:49:26 | nnn | yea, I'm familiar with familiar :) |
| 11:49:44 | nnn | but I'm not willing to destroy my Zaurus for testing familiar :) |
| 12:01:20 | riskable | Morning folks |
| 12:02:53 | mark | hi |
| 12:03:30 | Rince | just ordered his zaurus, with any luck he has it next week in hands |
| 12:08:12 | bewmIES | congrats |
| 12:34:00 | riskable|work | Damn, my job wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for the damn customers! |
| 12:34:14 | ljp-- | heheheh thats funny |
| 12:34:21 | riskable|work | "I need the following 30 accounts from my box RIGHT AWAY!!!" |
| 12:34:33 | riskable|work | 30 accounts removed that is |
| 12:34:47 | riskable|work | Talk about paranoid |
| 12:50:15 | riskable|work | Anyone know of any Z news today? |
| 12:54:33 | Sebd | Any independant Zaurus news site ? |
| 12:59:15 | | hmmm... riskable is responsible for http://zaurus.loveslinux.com/ |
| 12:59:15 | riskable|work | ibot: riskable |
| 12:59:49 | riskable|work | My independant Zaurus news site :) |
| 13:00:56 | Sebd | riskable|work: thanks |
| 13:01:38 | Sebd | riskable|work: cookies ! (POSTNUKESID) |
| 13:03:07 | riskable|work | Cookie stores whether you're logged in or not |
| 13:03:39 | Sebd | ok then |
| 13:04:17 | Sebd | noadd site - nice |
| 13:04:22 | Sebd | no ad |
| 13:05:56 | antlarr | hola :) |
| 13:06:39 | riskable|work | hola |
| 13:07:04 | Sebd | riskable|work: how to get headlines in rss / rdf / xml format from zaurus.loveslinux.com ? |
| 13:07:19 | riskable|work | http://zaurus.loveslinux.com/backend.php |
| 13:07:27 | Sebd | thanks |
| 13:07:31 | riskable|work | No problem |
| 13:07:33 | riskable|work | You run a site? |
| 13:09:17 | Sebd | no, I run KNewsTicker |
| 13:09:19 | scanline | is back (gone 06:10:57) |
| 13:09:24 | riskable|work | Ahh, OK |
| 13:09:32 | riskable|work | I was getting my hopes up for more links to my site :) |
| 13:09:40 | Sebd | maybe then |
| 13:09:56 | Sebd | let me talk about it around |
| 13:41:35 | riskable|work | makes a note that he should add screenshots to the downloads section of Zaurus@LL |
| 13:41:54 | ljp_laptop | whats the url? |
| 13:42:05 | | you are responsible for http://zaurus.loveslinux.com/ |
| 13:42:05 | riskable|work | ibot riskable |
| 13:42:20 | ljp_laptop | ooo |
| 13:43:27 | JasonNJ | did kergoth release OZ 3 last night? |
| 13:43:43 | riskable|work | I dunno? I'll check though |
| 13:44:29 | Complx | this may sound like a silly question, but has anyone tried to get windows pocketpc 2002 to work on the zaurus? |
| 13:44:31 | riskable|work | Crap, what's the OZ URL? |
| 13:44:45 | riskable|work | I dunno Comptx |
| 13:45:06 | JasonNJ | comlx: its theoretically possible but where would you get the software? |
| 13:45:15 | riskable|work | Forget it, found the URL |
| 13:45:42 | riskable|work | OZ3 doesn't appear to be out yet |
| 13:45:45 | riskable|work | http://sourceforge.net/projects/openzaurus/ |
| 13:47:15 | Complx | well JasonNJ, the softwares out there, in binary images - for people who put linux on the Ipawq, and want to put wince back on. |
| 13:47:38 | ljp_laptop | OZ3 is waiting for opie developers to put some bugs out first |
| 13:47:51 | Complx | basically, it would be pirating, but I just want to test it. :> |
| 13:48:05 | riskable|work | Opie ~= OZ, right? |
| 13:48:11 | riskable|work | I mean != |
| 13:48:29 | JasonNJ | opie is the GUI part of OZ |
| 13:48:38 | riskable|work | Ahh, interesting |
| 13:48:38 | JasonNJ | OZ is a complete distro for Zaurus |
| 13:48:50 | riskable|work | I had them confused |
| 13:49:46 | ljp_laptop | opie is to OZ3 what kde is to.. Mandrake |
| 13:50:21 | Complx | has anyone made a better media player for the Z? - ie, one that will keep a bookmark in my playlist, and allow me to scan through a song.. |
| 13:50:53 | ljp_laptop | might try tkc's.. |
| 13:50:56 | riskable|work | theKompany is going to be releasing their tkcPlayer and tkcMediaCenter soon |
| 13:51:21 | riskable|work | Not sure if they'll have what you need, but they're supposed to be fully-featured (as opposed to the junk built into the zaurus) |
| 13:51:33 | riskable|work | The default media player stinks IMHO |
| 13:51:39 | ljp_laptop | opie's player does playlists.. but not scanning |
| 13:51:58 | riskable|work | The default player does playlists |
| 13:52:14 | riskable|work | ...but it doesn't remember your last song when you exit and return |
| 13:52:50 | ljp_laptop | no the default player does playlist |
| 13:55:34 | riskable|work | Geeze, my site has only been up for almost a week and it's already received 11 thousand hits |
| 13:55:47 | riskable|work | Actually, that's page views, not hits =) |
| 13:56:01 | ljp_laptop | interesting |
| 13:56:38 | benmeyer | morning |
| 13:56:51 | riskable|work | morning |
| 13:57:06 | benmeyer | really? |
| 13:57:07 | benmeyer | cool |
| 13:59:06 | Complx | how difficult woule it be to make the damned media player store my location in the play list?? |
| 13:59:50 | riskable|work | Get the source code and hack it =) |
| 14:00:08 | ljp_laptop | the default? proably difficult as the source isnt known. opie's that would be easy |
| 14:00:16 | riskable|work | ...or email the Opie guys and ask them to implement it |
| 14:00:36 | ljp_laptop | you'd just have to ask the maintainer about it |
| 14:00:41 | ljp_laptop | is the maintainer for opies medialplayer |
| 14:00:42 | riskable|work | Post your request to the wish forum on http://Zaurus.LovesLinux.com |
| 14:00:54 | riskable|work | There ya go! That's convenient |
| 14:01:04 | ljp_laptop | hehehe |
| 14:01:11 | riskable|work | hasn't installed Opie's player, but will be using it shortly when he converts to OZ3 |
| 14:01:17 | ljp_laptop | there's also #opie |
| 14:02:31 | Complx | I thought the source was available for all the zauruss native apps |
| 14:02:47 | ljp_laptop | heh kinda.. |
| 14:02:57 | BigBoss | howdy all |
| 14:03:05 | riskable|work | Whassup BigBoss |
| 14:03:25 | riskable|work | Hey, Comptx wants to know: Will tkcMediaPlayer resume your song location on exit/return? |
| 14:03:48 | ljp_laptop | complex: Sharps has their own qpe tree that theydo not share |
| 14:04:09 | ljp_laptop | riskable: opie's will later on today |
| 14:04:13 | riskable|work | hehehe |
| 14:04:48 | JasonNJ | this network sync stuff is pretty cool. |
| 14:05:29 | riskable|work | The sharp developer site really needs to stop selling the 5000D now that the 5500 is out |
| 14:05:39 | Complx | hehe |
| 14:05:40 | riskable|work | ...or at least it should also sell the 5500 |
| 14:05:42 | Complx | why? |
| 14:05:45 | JasonNJ | anyone gotten the opie-security package? it allows you to sync via WLAN |
| 14:05:45 | Complx | ahh |
| 14:05:58 | riskable|work | JasonNJ: That sounds nice |
| 14:06:02 | Complx | JasonNJ: I sync over wlan too |
| 14:06:04 | BigBoss | riskable: I do not know |
| 14:06:08 | Complx | with rom 1.13 |
| 14:06:19 | JasonNJ | yeah, you download the opie-security and enable "sync from any" |
| 14:06:37 | JasonNJ | then you go into Qtopia desktop and change the IP address for the USB to the wlan address |
| 14:06:39 | JasonNJ | slick |
| 14:06:45 | JasonNJ | and you can remote install apps |
| 14:06:52 | Complx | yep |
| 14:07:00 | riskable|work | That *IS* cool, but how easy is it to enable/disable? |
| 14:10:01 | JasonNJ | very easy |
| 14:10:06 | JasonNJ | one button click |
| 14:10:10 | Complx | open the usb ip address control panel and dont change anything, it will revert to the defalt ip for the usb |
| 14:10:13 | JasonNJ | opie-security |
| 14:10:22 | JasonNJ | I think we put it on the zauruszone feed already |
| 14:10:24 | riskable|work | BigBoss: Is there any way to disable the task bar icon for tkcJabber? Just curious |
| 14:11:01 | JasonNJ | now if I can only figure out how to get the LINUX version of qtopiadesktop to work |
| 14:11:13 | BigBoss | riskable: yea, uninstall jabber :) |
| 14:11:21 | riskable|work | Bahh, :P |
| 14:11:27 | benmeyer | what is keypebble? |
| 14:11:31 | benmeyer | anyone know? |
| 14:11:35 | riskable|work | VNC Viewer for Z |
| 14:11:46 | benmeyer | ah |
| 14:11:48 | Complx | it sucks |
| 14:11:51 | ljp_laptop | riskable: that's gotta be BB's most requested feature |
| 14:12:19 | Complx | stupid thing wont keep the damned "use 8bit" button box chekced, and it doesnt sotr last used hostnames |
| 14:12:40 | riskable|work | Still, it is easily one of the easiest apps to impress your friends with |
| 14:12:41 | Complx | heres what i cant stand : why is it that all the apps for these things are so half assed? |
| 14:12:56 | riskable|work | LOL, because the device has only been out for a week or so? |
| 14:13:02 | riskable|work | Give it time |
| 14:13:08 | Complx | why cant anyone go the extra mile and make a damned app all the way |
| 14:13:25 | riskable|work | That's the way all open-source projects work... They start off half-assed to fill a void, then over time, they rapidly get better |
| 14:13:45 | Complx | I had my Z before new years |
| 14:13:55 | riskable|work | The developer model doesn't count :P |
| 14:14:16 | Complx | http://me.256k.net/casemod/ZAURUS-MODS/ |
| 14:14:18 | riskable|work | The 5000D was meant for people/companies who wanted to have their software ready for launch |
| 14:14:29 | ljp_laptop | well.. I'm sure if OS develoeprs got money for doing it things would get more 'finished' |
| 14:14:40 | riskable|work | Open-source development never really starts to pick up until the hardware is readily available |
| 14:15:11 | riskable|work | bar code readers are the best example I can give |
| 14:15:13 | ljp_laptop | complex: are you a developer? |
| 14:15:24 | Complx | its not the OS im pissed about, its every single app thats on this thing that sucks., even the third party stuff. |
| 14:15:30 | Kopsis | Complx: A lot of developers are only doing Zaurus stuff in their spare time. |
| 14:15:41 | Complx | no, im not a developer. |
| 14:15:44 | riskable|work | Until the QueCat was in everyone's hands, there wasn't much going on in the Linux kernel core team to provide support for bar code readers |
| 14:16:04 | Kopsis | It's really tough to commit commercial development resources to developing an app that may never have a market. |
| 14:16:14 | riskable|work | Now every bar code reader you can imagine has support |
| 14:16:56 | riskable|work | It just takes time |
| 14:17:52 | ljp_laptop | complex: a lot of OS developers do it as a hobby, in their spare time |
| 14:17:57 | riskable|work | There's usually a six month period where hardware is introduced and the open-source community really makes it special (IMHO) |
| 14:18:26 | riskable|work | Sharp has probably cut that in half because of the 5000D launch and their support for the community |
| 14:19:21 | riskable|work | The key to the Zaurus' success, however, will probably fall into the hands of companies who want to develop customized applications for their employees |
| 14:19:43 | riskable|work | The launch of SharpMobile and the wide support for wireless CF cards is a good indicator that Sharp knows their market |
| 14:20:38 | Complx | too bad its not available in my continent |
| 14:20:49 | riskable|work | Where are ya? |
| 14:21:05 | riskable|work | I find myself saying the same thing lately with cell phones |
| 14:21:30 | riskable|work | "Gee whiz, Japan sure has nice cell phones... Too bad they're not available in the States" |
| 14:21:35 | riskable|work | Even Europe has better phones |
| 14:21:41 | riskable|work | Canada too |
| 14:21:42 | Complx | im in the US |
| 14:22:01 | Complx | and yeah, cant get a decent phone, or a wireless internet subscription anywhere in the northeast |
| 14:22:05 | riskable|work | I live in the US and it's available where I live :P |
| 14:22:11 | Complx | where? |
| 14:22:13 | riskable|work | Northeast |
| 14:22:17 | riskable|work | MA to be exact |
| 14:22:18 | Complx | state? |
| 14:22:20 | Complx | mass |
| 14:22:24 | Complx | yeah, mass and nyc |
| 14:22:36 | JasonNJ | Complx: its at every single Staples, Best Buy, Office Depot |
| 14:22:42 | JasonNJ | Circuit City |
| 14:22:45 | Complx | the two place that have it, and uess what, both places are where I dont live |
| 14:22:57 | Complx | what is JasonNJ |
| 14:23:02 | JasonNJ | Comp;x: Amazon |
| 14:23:08 | riskable|work | I would say that Verizon's CPDP network stretches from Portland, ME, to NYC with excellent coverage. Then it goes to VA with "decent" coverage |
| 14:23:37 | Complx | i live 45 minutes north of portland |
| 14:23:44 | JasonNJ | portland oregon? |
| 14:23:47 | JasonNJ | or portland maine |
| 14:23:48 | Complx | maine |
| 14:23:54 | riskable|work | LOL! You don't get CRAP up there in general |
| 14:23:55 | gash | riskable|work: all the zip's i put in say 'excellent' for northern va, so all i can do is hope that it's accurate |
| 14:24:05 | gash | guess i'll find out in a few |
| 14:24:28 | riskable|work | Anything past Portland is the boonies until you hit Canada! LOL |
| 14:24:40 | Complx | yeah, no shit |
| 14:24:45 | Complx | and they call this "central maine" |
| 14:24:49 | riskable|work | I suppose Bangor isn't that bad |
| 14:24:54 | Complx | hahahaha |
| 14:24:57 | riskable|work | Central Maine == central nowhere |
| 14:24:59 | Complx | you havent beeen to bangor then |
| 14:25:06 | JasonNJ | you dont have Best Buy in Maine? |
| 14:25:12 | JasonNJ | Or Staples or Office Depot? |
| 14:25:16 | Complx | we have best buys in maine. well portland |
| 14:25:17 | riskable|work | They don't have stores in Maine past Portland! |
| 14:25:17 | Complx | why? |
| 14:25:30 | Complx | office max and staples in lewistion and auburn |
| 14:25:30 | JasonNJ | Zaurus is at Best Buy |
| 14:25:40 | Complx | jason... I have a zaurus. |
| 14:25:50 | riskable|work | Comptx probably buys 90% of his stuff from a Wal-Mart or a local 'famly owned & run' convenience store |
| 14:26:07 | riskable|work | ...or online :) |
| 14:26:07 | JasonNJ | I hear maine is a pretty state thougu |
| 14:26:09 | Complx | wtf |
| 14:26:12 | JasonNJ | never been there myself |
| 14:26:21 | Complx | where did that come from? |
| 14:26:21 | JasonNJ | I want to go up there for the lobster |
| 14:26:23 | mark_ | JasonNJ: do you know what the situation is regarding hancom office for SL5000 winners? |
| 14:26:24 | riskable|work | Maine is great for getting away :) |
| 14:26:34 | riskable|work | Comptx: I'm just stating what I've seen in Maine |
| 14:26:34 | JasonNJ | mark_: we are working on it |
| 14:26:56 | riskable|work | There aren't too many chain stores around... Tons of Wal-Marts |
| 14:26:56 | mark | JasonNJ: okay, thanks. |
| 14:27:11 | riskable|work | ...and lots of mom & pop "general stores" |
| 14:27:16 | Complx | I order most of my stuff online |
| 14:27:27 | riskable|work | I'm not counting the gas station stops along 95 ;) |
| 14:27:33 | Complx | :> |
| 14:27:52 | riskable|work | goes to Dexter, ME, every year for the 4th of July |
| 14:27:52 | Complx | you guys like my blue zaurus? http://me.256k.net/casemod/ZAURUS-MODS/Blue-Zaurus4.jpg |
| 14:27:58 | Complx | ahh |
| 14:28:00 | Complx | why dexter? |
| 14:28:01 | riskable|work | Yes, actually, I was going to comment on that |
| 14:28:14 | riskable|work | Dexter just happens to be the place where my friend owns a cabin |
| 14:28:20 | riskable|work | There's a decent man-made lake there |
| 14:28:21 | Complx | I used plastickote brand auto touch oup paint, |
| 14:28:31 | mark | hmm, i thought sharp hadd prommised about 500 apps before Z launch? :) |
| 14:28:36 | Complx | lol |
| 14:28:40 | Complx | mark, they lied |
| 14:28:55 | Complx | thers about 90 of them, and most of them suck |
| 14:28:55 | ljp_laptop | needs to paint a Z so he can tell which ones which |
| 14:29:01 | riskable|work | Well, I have 43 downloads in the software section of my website :) |
| 14:29:07 | mark | Complx: or were sadly mistaken |
| 14:29:09 | Complx | ljp--: lol |
| 14:29:10 | benmeyer | 70 on http://killefiz.de/zaurus/ |
| 14:29:16 | riskable|work | ...but that doesn't include stuff that's only on ZZ or commercial apps |
| 14:29:17 | benmeyer | another 100 tied up in the contest |
| 14:29:40 | riskable|work | I like warmi's contest entry :) |
| 14:29:47 | mark | what is that? |
| 14:29:48 | benmeyer | what was it? |
| 14:29:55 | riskable|work | Puzz-le |
| 14:30:22 | riskable|work | I suck though, I'm still on level 5 |
| 14:30:39 | riskable|work | I haven't had much time to play it because I look suspicious when I have my Z out at work |
| 14:31:02 | riskable|work | I also play tkcMajhong a lot when I'm in line/waiting at Taco Bell |
| 14:31:15 | riskable|work | Though, I did get a good game of snake in the other day |
| 14:31:23 | riskable|work | IMHO Snake could use a graphical overhaul |
| 14:31:43 | riskable|work | The backdrop is lame as well as the snake graphic and the mice |
| 14:31:53 | riskable|work | Great game though |
| 14:32:00 | riskable|work | Wish it kept high scores |
| 14:32:01 | Complx | I gotta run |
| 14:32:07 | kergoth | re |
| 14:32:14 | riskable|work | I have to tell people, "I got 295 once!" |
| 14:33:34 | riskable|work | Wish the taskbar app that lets you keep the Z from turning off supported complete backlight control... i.e. change how bright it is on the fly |
| 14:44:59 | Complx | k, im back |
| 14:45:18 | Complx | ljp, have you taken your Z apart yet? |
| 14:46:15 | ljp_laptop | hehehe which one? I droped one of them and it flew apart |
| 14:46:27 | Complx | omg |
| 14:46:30 | ljp_laptop | err dropped |
| 14:46:38 | Complx | do you have one of each? or two dev models? |
| 14:46:48 | ljp_laptop | two dev models |
| 14:46:51 | Complx | why? |
| 14:46:56 | Complx | because you dropped one? |
| 14:46:57 | Complx | lol |
| 14:47:01 | ljp_laptop | contest one, and |
| 14:47:02 | Complx | wanna sell one? |
| 14:47:07 | Complx | you won one? |
| 14:47:15 | Complx | wow.. what app did you make? |
| 14:47:20 | ljp_laptop | heheh npe I need one for OZ and opie and the other for a default sharp rom |
| 14:47:26 | ljp_laptop | gutenbrowser |
| 14:47:33 | Complx | whats that? |
| 14:47:51 | ljp_laptop | extext reader/downloader for gutenberg etexts |
| 14:49:40 | JasonNJ | I havent tried GB yet |
| 14:49:44 | Complx | and you won a z for that? |
| 14:49:50 | Complx | wow |
| 14:50:01 | JasonNJ | only tried the x86 version |
| 14:50:14 | ljp_laptop | complex: yes |
| 14:51:15 | ljp_laptop | even with its controversial interface |
| 14:51:20 | Fluxwerk | anyone know where I can get caldera dos? |
| 14:51:27 | Fluxwerk | This is a slight emergency |
| 14:51:34 | JasonNJ | ljp--: you got a zaurus ipk you can send me? |
| 14:51:39 | JasonNJ | Caldera dos? |
| 14:51:43 | JasonNJ | freedos works fine |
| 14:51:43 | scanline | is away: pseudo-foodlike-almost-breakfast-i-cant-believe-its-not-arsenic |
| 14:52:06 | Complx | wwgats controvercial about its interface? |
| 14:52:07 | Fluxwerk | it's for novell, and I need to make sure it compatible |
| 14:52:14 | JasonNJ | hhmm |
| 14:52:21 | JasonNJ | not on the caldera website anymore? |
| 14:52:27 | JasonNJ | or their ftp site? |
| 14:52:46 | Fluxwerk | I'm looking |
| 14:52:56 | ljp_laptop | complex: some people dont like it.. |
| 14:54:50 | ljp_laptop | JasonNJ: I don't know if I can send you one since its still in the contest |
| 14:54:51 | Complx | hmm |
| 14:54:54 | Fluxwerk | not on thier ftp |
| 14:56:37 | JasonNJ | drdos.com |
| 14:56:40 | JasonNJ | they sold it |
| 14:56:56 | Complx | how many of the TKC apps will fit on the Dev Z? |
| 14:57:19 | msmax | i can fit all ;) |
| 14:57:30 | JasonNJ | heh |
| 14:57:33 | JasonNJ | lineo owns it |
| 14:57:40 | JasonNJ | I would try FreeDOS and see if it works |
| 14:57:42 | JasonNJ | it should |
| 14:58:09 | JasonNJ | lineo has drdos for sale |
| 14:58:15 | JasonNJ | 149 bucks for a 5 pack |
| 14:58:24 | JasonNJ | freedos.org |
| 14:58:26 | Complx | msmax: how big is the whole bundle? |
| 14:59:28 | msmax | Complx: wait |
| 14:59:33 | JasonNJ | flux do you need the whole dos distro for novell? I dont think so |
| 14:59:44 | JasonNJ | just the kernel and command interpreter I think |
| 14:59:52 | JasonNJ | bootdisk.com should have a few |
| 14:59:55 | Complx | msmax: are you using opie or the sharp rom? |
| 15:00:07 | Complx | also, can you install these apps to the SD card? or only ram? |
| 15:00:13 | ljp_laptop | bbl |
| 15:00:37 | msmax | Complx: 4.3Meg, i install all of it on memory |
| 15:00:54 | Fluxwerk | I have freedos, but this is something I can't just try, the job is over an hour away |
| 15:01:07 | msmax | Complx: tkclib must be installed on memory.. all apps can be installed on cf/sd card |
| 15:01:08 | JasonNJ | go to bootdisk.com |
| 15:01:10 | Fluxwerk | I have to make sure the tools are compatible |
| 15:01:42 | JasonNJ | bootdisk.com has saved my butt on many an occasion |
| 15:01:48 | Complx | hmm.. |
| 15:01:57 | JasonNJ | to install novell you dont need full blown dos |
| 15:02:11 | JasonNJ | just the boot sector and and command interpreter |
| 15:02:17 | JasonNJ | and the SYS command |
| 15:02:25 | JasonNJ | ah |
| 15:02:29 | JasonNJ | and the cdrom driver for dos |
| 15:04:50 | JasonNJ | I thought the latest novell didnt require dos |
| 15:05:05 | JasonNJ | doesnt Netware 5 have its own boot sector on the cdrom? |
| 15:05:18 | JasonNJ | been a while |
| 15:05:29 | JasonNJ | last time I installed netware was like 6 years ago |
| 15:05:47 | JasonNJ | I let my CNE slip since then |
| 15:05:52 | JasonNJ | went down the MCSE path |
| 15:06:04 | Complx | did I mention how sick these tkc apps look? |
| 15:06:14 | Complx | IM gonna have to buy em |
| 15:07:49 | JasonNJ | this is interesting |
| 15:07:50 | Complx | what the hell is this? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2015034614 |
| 15:08:04 | JasonNJ | all of a sudent theres a ton of stuf on ZDNet about IBM potentially buying Sun |
| 15:08:10 | BigBoss | when did "sick" start meaning "good"? at least I assume that |
| 15:08:16 | BigBoss | what!?!?!?! |
| 15:08:23 | BigBoss | that don't make sense |
| 15:08:33 | BigBoss | especially given their poor financial performance lately |
| 15:10:14 | catalin | IBM's ? |
| 15:10:16 | Complx | sick = crazy good |
| 15:10:55 | BigBoss | yes IBM |
| 15:11:02 | BigBoss | they totally drove the stock market down this week |
| 15:11:08 | Complx | jsut because ibm isnt proffiting, doesnt mean they still dont have bazilions of dollars |
| 15:11:13 | catalin | IBM is too large to care |
| 15:11:31 | BigBoss | I don't know why they would buy Sun |
| 15:11:31 | Fluxwerk | JasonNJ: I'm not installing |
| 15:11:41 | Fluxwerk | it's already installed WITH caldera Dos |
| 15:11:51 | Fluxwerk | I need to move files, and do some maint. |
| 15:11:54 | riskable|work | That thing on eBay is bizarre |
| 15:12:08 | Fluxwerk | msods will not work, and I cannot guess with freedos :/ |
| 15:12:18 | JasonNJ | BigBoss: to control Java |
| 15:12:25 | JasonNJ | and to own the entire unix server market |
| 15:12:26 | catalin | bb: they always wanted Sun |
| 15:13:34 | finkployd | BigBoss: Solaris |
| 15:14:03 | finkployd | Solaris is a better low-end to mid-range unix than AIX |
| 15:14:15 | finkployd | well, maybe not better, but more popular |
| 15:14:46 | JasonNJ | finkployd: yes, but surely not better than Linux |
| 15:14:56 | JasonNJ | AIX fills the high end gap that linux does not |
| 15:15:04 | finkployd | yup |
| 15:15:22 | JasonNJ | and hell, you can run Linux on Z-series |
| 15:15:27 | JasonNJ | virtualized |
| 15:15:29 | finkployd | And I do :) |
| 15:15:31 | JasonNJ | so you dont even need AIX |
| 15:15:46 | finkployd | There is still a need for AIX, at least for the next 5 years or so |
| 15:15:49 | JasonNJ | yes |
| 15:15:58 | JasonNJ | but after that its linux on z series |
| 15:16:02 | BigBoss | Linux still doesn't scale like AIX or HP-UX |
| 15:16:03 | JasonNJ | all the way |
| 15:16:20 | JasonNJ | BigBoss: when you mean scale, do you mean on a single box? |
| 15:16:48 | finkployd | SP Clusters running AIX are vastly superior to Linux clusters |
| 15:16:50 | finkployd | At least currently |
| 15:16:51 | JasonNJ | cause running 10,000 virtual machines on a mainframe sounds like it scales to me |
| 15:17:03 | Complx | BigBoss: you work for tkc right? |
| 15:17:07 | finkployd | JasonNJ: That is hardware scaling, not software |
| 15:17:10 | JasonNJ | finkployd: for that specific application yes |
| 15:17:23 | riskable|work | Solaris sucks :P |
| 15:17:27 | JasonNJ | I put in a sp cluster once |
| 15:17:30 | JasonNJ | for Canon |
| 15:17:32 | Complx | why would I want TKC kapital, if I dont have tkc kapital for the desktop? |
| 15:17:36 | riskable|work | I just fixed two issues on two enterprise solaris setups |
| 15:17:42 | JasonNJ | first 9672 in the country |
| 15:18:13 | Complx | - can it do anything besides trackmmoney? |
| 15:18:13 | JasonNJ | Complx: BigBoss IS tkc |
| 15:18:22 | finkployd | Except for the prototypes that some universities ran before they ever hit the market ;) |
| 15:18:23 | Complx | well then Jason, I asked the right guy :> |
| 15:19:32 | BigBoss | Complx: I own the company |
| 15:19:55 | BigBoss | it depends on what you want to do |
| 15:20:03 | BigBoss | tkcKapital doesn't sync with Kapital yet |
| 15:20:10 | bewmIES | nods |
| 15:20:11 | BigBoss | some people just want to do their expenses on the PDA |
| 15:20:14 | benmeyer | uggg, only 6 more hours till I have downloaded qt.... |
| 15:20:22 | Complx | well, see, basically, I want to decide is I should spend the extra money to get the whole buncle |
| 15:20:23 | Complx | bundle |
| 15:20:26 | BigBoss | we are selling a shit load of them though |
| 15:20:30 | Complx | but it includes some apps I dont need |
| 15:20:58 | BigBoss | well figure out the price and decide what is best for you |
| 15:21:12 | BigBoss | we are bumping the bundle price to $74.95 in a day or so to include tkcPlayer |
| 15:21:29 | Complx | tkc player? whats that? |
| 15:21:50 | Complx | an mp3 player?? |
| 15:21:58 | riskable|work | brb |
| 15:22:04 | finkployd | BigBoss: Maybe something like: "x% off with a purchase of y# items" |
| 15:22:16 | benmeyer | BigBoss: did your e-mail to me bounce? |
| 15:22:19 | BigBoss | mp3 and orgg |
| 15:22:22 | roge99 | so how much for tkcPlayer for people who bought the old bundle |
| 15:22:31 | Complx | does it bookmark playlists? |
| 15:22:36 | BigBoss | ben: no it didn't, max is getting me the files shortly, his smtp server is dead |
| 15:22:43 | Complx | or let me scan through songs? |
| 15:22:48 | BigBoss | toge99: 9.95 - we don't have a bundle upgrade |
| 15:23:02 | BigBoss | finkployd: yes, a feature like that would be nice, but we don't have it |
| 15:23:11 | finkployd | just a thought |
| 15:23:13 | roge99 | only 10 bucks |
| 15:23:13 | BigBoss | complx: 'splain your two items a bit better |
| 15:23:51 | Complx | bookmark play lists. = when I eit the player, and open it up again later, will I have to start playing the playlist at the beginning? or will it remember the song I was on and play form there |
| 15:24:20 | Complx | scanning through a song = dragging a slider, or holding a seek button to skip ahead a few seconds into a song. or half way, etc |
| 15:24:47 | msmax | Complx: it realy interesting feature, i add it in next version, (i already finish this), and you always can have free updates |
| 15:24:57 | Complx | the stock player, allows you to use a play list, but if you quit the app it will lose your place in the list, and starrt over when you come back to ti |
| 15:25:11 | Complx | msmax: whata re you tlaking about? |
| 15:25:39 | Complx | you are a developer? |
| 15:25:40 | msmax | Complx: "bookmark play lists" |
| 15:25:44 | msmax | Complx: yes |
| 15:25:48 | Complx | got a web site? |
| 15:26:00 | msmax | www.thekompany.com |
| 15:26:04 | warmi | hi |
| 15:26:19 | Complx | oh.. msmax is part of tkc |
| 15:26:24 | Complx | excellent |
| 15:26:41 | msmax | Complx: part of theKompany.com, not tkc ;) |
| 15:26:43 | BigBoss | yes, max is the author of this player |
| 15:27:08 | Complx | one of my problems with the player on the Z is that I play a lot of really ong tracks, like hour ong sets, one track |
| 15:27:20 | Complx | and I cant skip ahead half way into the song |
| 15:27:42 | BigBoss | skipping is a problem because of the Z hardware |
| 15:27:54 | scanline | is back (gone 00:36:11) |
| 15:28:01 | Complx | it would be really nice even if there was a menu to click on to drag a slider through the song. |
| 15:28:06 | catalin | bb: huh ? |
| 15:28:13 | BigBoss | yes that would be nice |
| 15:28:29 | BigBoss | well in our tests (don't know about yours yet Catalin) the skipping was very slow |
| 15:28:39 | Complx | even if it was a value to enter as a number, how many seconds into the song or something, |
| 15:28:53 | catalin | bb: aha, ok |
| 15:29:19 | BigBoss | I listen to long songs took the "goto minute" would be handy probably |
| 15:30:05 | Complx | even if it took 3 seconds to change. I wouldnt mind. sure beats never hearing the ending to a really awesome set. |
| 15:30:27 | Complx | - I listen to a lot of mp3 when I walk to work and back. and the walk is short.. |
| 15:30:42 | Complx | I usually turn it off as its playing. so when I turn it back on again it picks up where ti left |
| 15:31:17 | Complx | - msmax: will the new player also prevent the Z from shutting off after idle for so long? |
| 15:31:38 | Complx | haha |
| 15:31:42 | msmax | yes, must |
| 15:31:46 | Complx | these kompany apps look really really nice |
| 15:32:01 | scanline | is away: doing homework |
| 15:32:02 | Complx | I cant wait to get em. - if I buy right now, I get a download, right? |
| 15:32:34 | msmax | you can see screenshots for tkcPlayer, before you buy it |
| 15:32:40 | Complx | how much is the player gonne be? |
| 15:33:03 | Complx | oh, Ill defenitely want the player |
| 15:33:14 | Complx | if you can make it bookmark play lists. Ill defenitely get it |
| 15:33:30 | BigBoss | the only way to get it is by download |
| 15:34:17 | Complx | ahh, good. :> oh hey, another thing, do your apps display a confirmation on exit? - meaning, if I hit cancel by accident, will your apps close instantly? or will it display a confirmation dialogue |
| 15:34:22 | BigBoss | Complx: you should just wait till the new bundle comes up |
| 15:34:43 | benmeyer | Is there a telnet ipk with scripts to set it all up correctly? |
| 15:34:56 | benmeyer | or a telnet server howto? |
| 15:35:01 | Complx | how much did you say the new bunlde was gonna be? |
| 15:36:04 | BigBoss | $75 |
| 15:36:10 | BigBoss | savings of about $30 off of list |
| 15:36:29 | Complx | hmm.. |
| 15:36:48 | Complx | I really dont want to wait. |
| 15:36:49 | Complx | lol |
| 15:36:55 | Complx | how long before the players available? |
| 15:37:58 | BigBoss | well I can add it today so when you buy it you will pay the higher price and get all the apps, but it will show wrong on the web site |
| 15:38:05 | BigBoss | say in 2 or 3 hours |
| 15:38:19 | Complx | yeah? |
| 15:38:21 | Complx | okay :> |
| 15:38:40 | Complx | lol |
| 15:38:44 | Complx | im so anxious |
| 15:38:55 | Complx | I wanted to buy these a long tiem ago, and never had the money |
| 15:39:18 | kergoth | re |
| 15:39:29 | BigBoss | and you do today? :) |
| 15:39:34 | Complx | sure do! |
| 15:39:42 | Complx | its PAYDAY |
| 15:39:44 | Complx | :> |
| 15:39:48 | BigBoss | sweet :) |
| 15:40:00 | Complx | brb, gotta insall mirc 6.01 |
| 15:41:24 | netamp | Guess who's using BitchX now instead of mIRC ;) |
| 15:41:27 | netamp | hah |
| 15:42:04 | Complx | that was easy |
| 15:42:14 | | wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! |
| 15:42:14 | netamp | ibot: pong |
| 15:42:20 | | Slashdot - Updated 2002-04-10 15:36:10 | Do-it-yourself CPU Water Cooler | PS2 Vs. X-Box: Winner Emerging? | Is IBM on a Strategic Path to Control Java? | How To Profit From Telemarketing |
| 15:42:20 | netamp | ibot: slashdot |
| 15:42:42 | netamp | hrm.. "Control Java"... interesting |
| 15:43:11 | Com[Plex | hehe |
| 15:43:22 | | zaurus is at http://developer.sharpsec.com/index.cfm |
| 15:43:22 | benmeyer | ibot zaurus |
| 15:43:29 | Com[Plex | water cooling :> I do that myself. anyon here into water cooling or wants to be? |
| 15:43:36 | netamp | heh |
| 15:43:55 | warmi | slashdot folks are just itching to pronouce winner in Xbox vs PLaystation 2 race |
| 15:44:34 | warmi | netamp: as far as Java .... for many people these days IBM is what comes to mind when somebody says Java .. they have been very active with Java |
| 15:44:47 | Com[Plex | http://me.256k.net/casemod/TUTORIALS/copper_video_block/ |
| 15:44:52 | Com[Plex | oh no! |
| 15:44:55 | Com[Plex | my pics are missing! |
| 15:45:03 | benmeyer | Anyone seen osiris pda? |
| 15:45:32 | Com[Plex | rucking FIREDRILL |
| 15:45:39 | finkployd | warmi: I use IBM's JRE over Sun's :) |
| 15:46:03 | warmi | yeah, I used IBMs JDK RPM on my Linux box as well |
| 15:46:18 | warmi | benma: osiris ? |
| 15:47:07 | netamp | argh, my .bashrc isn't loaded |
| 15:47:24 | netamp | I guess I should go do a Bash 101 course ;) |
| 15:47:48 | benmeyer | hmm can anyone give me 101 instructions on how to get a telnet server running so I can write a howto? |
| 15:48:00 | netamp | hah |
| 15:48:43 | benmeyer | not literally 101 seperate instructions, but the 5 things needed to be done or whatnot |
| 15:49:27 | finkployd | benmeyer: Step 1: Purchase a Zaurus |
| 15:49:28 | finkployd | :) |
| 15:49:33 | netamp | haha |
| 15:49:34 | benmeyer | haha |
| 15:49:57 | netamp | Step 2: install Networking |
| 15:50:05 | warmi | anyone can recommend no hassle ethernet (not wireless) CF card for Z ? |
| 15:51:09 | netamp | I'm gonna revamp my bash environment a bit, bbl |
| 16:02:00 | Com[Plex | warmi, I use a hawkings CF rj45 card |
| 16:02:06 | Com[Plex | 10baseT |
| 16:02:10 | Com[Plex | 55$ when I bought it |
| 16:02:13 | Com[Plex | and it owns |
| 16:02:33 | Com[Plex | I also have a hawkings CF wireless, 802.11, but It was 110$, and really big and ugly |
| 16:02:47 | warmi | does it get recognized by Z without any problems? |
| 16:03:18 | Com[Plex | when I bought it, it was advertised as a CF wireless with integrated rj45 jack. and I paid extra for it <flasly advertised> however, it worked well anyway. and wasnt worth it to return it |
| 16:03:28 | Com[Plex | both cards recognised without ANY problems |
| 16:03:37 | Com[Plex | never even had a hiccup with any of my cards |
| 16:03:54 | warmi | thanks |
| 16:04:05 | Harlekin | anybody knows where to find fastolfe?? |
| 16:04:05 | warmi | I don't think I will need wireless card for now |
| 16:04:22 | warmi | this is just for quick and hassle free transfer of files |
| 16:04:38 | warmi | I think I will check out rj45 one |
| 16:04:48 | Com[Plex | yeah. the CF nic is a dream, it makes copying files really easy. |
| 16:05:15 | Com[Plex | however, you might want to consider getting a CF/SD card reader/writer, and using that to get files to the Z |
| 16:05:30 | Com[Plex | thats what I use when putting mp3s on my CF flash cartridges |
| 16:05:31 | warmi | I already have that |
| 16:05:36 | Com[Plex | er.. cards.. |
| 16:05:45 | Com[Plex | is it safge to call them cartridges yet? |
| 16:05:48 | Com[Plex | safe |
| 16:05:55 | Com[Plex | k, I gotta get my paycheck. brb |
| 16:05:58 | warmi | but it us pain in the ass .... I am talking more for development constantly moving file to my z for testing |
| 16:06:44 | warmi | hah ... getting paycheck ... that always tends to cheer up ones day |
| 16:07:36 | Com[Plex | Hell yes! |
| 16:07:43 | Com[Plex | specially when its almost 700$ :> |
| 16:07:58 | Com[Plex | but its for two weeks, so its not like "omfg" |
| 16:08:33 | Com[Plex | officially, I get paid a lot per hour, but, I only get paid for about 80% of the time im here. |
| 16:08:42 | Com[Plex | well. maybe more like 70% |
| 16:08:47 | warmi | well, still it is nice chunk of cash :-) |
| 16:08:58 | Com[Plex | defenitely |
| 16:09:04 | Com[Plex | and hey, I like being here :> |
| 16:09:07 | Com[Plex | this isnt work. |
| 16:09:19 | warmi | what do you do ? |
| 16:09:24 | Com[Plex | I teach ocmputer literacy to alternative ed high schoolers |
| 16:09:30 | Com[Plex | and act as a peer councelor. |
| 16:10:07 | Jonmann | Doesn't sound too bad. |
| 16:10:08 | Com[Plex | I dont actually /teach/ much comuters. I basically babysit a computer lab, and help my kids deal with there problems with life, family, school. etc. |
| 16:10:28 | warmi | not bad |
| 16:10:28 | Com[Plex | its the most rewarding career choice in exsistance. |
| 16:11:22 | warmi | I am sure at least these kids are more appreciative of your work than average high schooler |
| 16:11:41 | Jonmann | warmi, I don't think that's an achievement. :) |
| 16:11:41 | Com[Plex | I used to be a tech at Bates college, and I thought that was rewarding. saving kids thesis's from virus attacks. recovering research files from dead hard drives.. I was a miracle worker\. but this.. its differnt. |
| 16:11:49 | Jonmann | We're talking about high schoolers. |
| 16:12:11 | Com[Plex | jon. were talking about People |
| 16:12:40 | warmi | well, just to make clear.... I understand alternative as "slower" kids ... are we on the same page ? |
| 16:12:45 | Com[Plex | lifes, that have had nothign but conflict there whole lifes. and I can make there lives a little easier. |
| 16:12:56 | JasonNJ | the zaurus would be an ideal educational tool for kids |
| 16:13:02 | Jonmann | True. |
| 16:13:04 | JasonNJ | since the keyboard is just the right size for them |
| 16:13:16 | Com[Plex | well, not really warmi, - my kids arent the "special ed" kids. mine are the disciplinary cases |
| 16:13:31 | Com[Plex | al the bad kids in the school and stuff. |
| 16:13:32 | warmi | oh, ok .. |
| 16:13:35 | Com[Plex | shit, I gotta go get lunch |
| 16:13:38 | Com[Plex | be back in a few |
| 16:13:50 | warmi | ok, have fun |
| 16:14:01 | mark_ | warmi: sorry, what is ur contest app? |
| 16:14:13 | warmi | .www.warmi.net/zaurus |
| 16:14:37 | warmi | I have a package with demo there |
| 16:24:07 | benmeyer | http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/ |
| 16:24:45 | killefiz | warmi: did you know that a puzzle-screenshot is printed in a tt-marketing flyer they handed out at cebit? |
| 16:25:17 | warmi | well, they asked me for it .. but never confirmed that it was ggoing to be printed |
| 16:25:26 | warmi | I would love to see the flyer though |
| 16:25:29 | killefiz | it has been printed ... i have a copy |
| 16:25:48 | killefiz | i can scan it for you |
| 16:25:54 | warmi | that would be great :-) |
| 16:26:18 | killefiz | ok .. will do that tomorrow. i'm home and the flyer is at work |
| 16:26:45 | killefiz | there are also screenshots of some tkc apps and the gutenbrowser |
| 16:27:03 | warmi | well, I kind suspected they would do that .. my game is quite colorfull etc ... fits flyers that well |
| 16:27:19 | warmi | wrawdanik@warmi.net |
| 16:27:27 | warmi | or you know what ... warmi@warmi.net |
| 16:27:31 | warmi | that is simpler :-) |
| 16:27:38 | killefiz | yeah I can remember that |
| 16:27:40 | killefiz | probably |
| 16:27:44 | killefiz | better write it down |
| 16:27:58 | warmi | killefiz: you are in Germany right ? |
| 16:28:02 | killefiz | yes |
| 16:30:22 | benmeyer | http://www.zauruszone.com/wiki/index.php?Howto |
| 16:30:29 | benmeyer | There are my initial howtos |
| 16:30:45 | killefiz | benmeyer: you should link them from the main zauruszone page |
| 16:33:05 | warmi | great: there was no FAQ for ipak building for Z nor for feed |
| 16:36:32 | Complx | and weeeeeeeeeeee! |
| 16:41:11 | warmi | Complex: how was your launch ? |
| 16:41:15 | warmi | lunch ? |
| 16:41:16 | warmi | hehe |
| 16:42:00 | nnn | does anyone know if I could run Familiar Linux on a SL-5500D or do I have to wait for OpenZaurus to come out? |
| 16:42:47 | kergoth | nnn: wait for openzaurus. its based on debian, as familiar is. and most familiar packages will work on it out of the box |
| 16:43:13 | n9udl | After upgrading my SL-5000D to ROM 1.13, I can't get my Linksys WCF11 to work... any pointers? |
| 16:43:15 | kergoth | nnn: expect a prerelease this afternoon, if youd like to test. otherwise the release will be in a few days, to close up some bugs in Opie |
| 16:43:36 | n9udl | (I'll take an OpenZaurus pre-release!) |
| 16:43:47 | finkployd | n9udl: Get the linksys patch for 1.12 off of zauruszone.com |
| 16:43:50 | MrX | n9udl: javaone patch fom www.openzaurus.com |
| 16:43:56 | finkployd | errr 1.13 I mean |
| 16:44:03 | kergoth | I'll be issuing a call for volunteers to test shortly. I'd like to clean up a few things first.. you know, like making it suspend when in opie again |
| 16:44:03 | n9udl | thanks! |
| 16:44:03 | kergoth | hehe |
| 16:44:40 | nnn | ker :is there a date when OZ will be released as stable? |
| 16:44:41 | n9udl | kergoth: will you email the call for volunteers? |
| 16:45:04 | kergoth | n9udl: yes, most likely. I'll need testers, to identify things i may have forgotten |
| 16:45:05 | ljp_laptop | kergoth: me |
| 16:45:06 | nnn | ker : I think ur one of OZ's developers :) |
| 16:45:18 | nnn | what's wrong with oz.org doesn't wanna load here :( |
| 16:45:30 | kergoth | nnn: final release in a few days most likely,. depends on how many bumps pop up along the way |
| 16:45:43 | kergoth | nnn: oz.org is dead for the moment, as the person that was hosting it for me's company went away |
| 16:45:52 | kergoth | nnn: i'll be redirecting it and throwing a page up shorly |
| 16:46:29 | kergoth | ljp_laptop: i ended up manually modifying the opie packages.. hehe. |
| 16:46:38 | warmi | kergoth: perhaps, naive question but will this release of OZ be binary compatible with Qtopia nad Sharps ROM ? |
| 16:46:43 | kergoth | warmi: yes. |
| 16:46:52 | nnn | ugh, I got d/c :\ |
| 16:46:57 | kergoth | wb nnn |
| 16:47:03 | nnn | ker : is there a date for the final release? |
| 16:47:05 | nnn | thank you kergoth |
| 16:47:18 | kergoth | nnn: within a few days. nothing solid as of yet, as I dont know how many items will be discovered in testing. |
| 16:47:52 | kergoth | nnn: but you'll be able to upgrade from this version to the final with ipkg.. no flash necessary |
| 16:47:59 | nnn | nice :) |
| 16:48:09 | nnn | so, the final will be out soon |
| 16:48:11 | nnn | cheers up |
| 16:48:12 | kergoth | yep |
| 16:48:22 | nnn | erm, why isn't oz.org working? :( |
| 16:48:28 | Complx | hey BigBoss: could I put my order in now? and have you charge me for the new bundle? <with tkcplayer> |
| 16:48:35 | kergoth | i'm actually installing a number of familiar packages directly.. to speed up the release.. i cant afford to add EVERYTHING to the buildsystem |
| 16:48:38 | Complx | and just download the player when its availabl;e |
| 16:48:56 | kergoth | nnn: its down atm.. the guy that was running it for me.. his company went away.. so i'll be redirecting it and throwing a page up shortly |
| 16:49:26 | kergoth | nnn: right now i've got a lot on my plate. cant do everything. heh. |
| 16:49:49 | kergoth | anyone good at web design want to throw up a page for openzaurus.org for me? neednt be anything fancy |
| 16:50:11 | nnn | I would opt for a better connection than this one... |
| 16:50:28 | nnn | sorry, did u get my last Q? |
| 16:50:32 | nnn | erm, why isn't oz.org working? :( |
| 16:50:38 | kergoth | nnn |
| 16:50:43 | kergoth | i've answered that like 4 times now |
| 16:50:43 | kergoth | lol |
| 16:50:48 | ljp_laptop | hehehe |
| 16:50:52 | kergoth | <kergoth> nnn: its down atm.. the guy that was running it for me.. his company went away.. so i'll be redirecting it and throwing a page up shortly |
| 16:50:52 | kergoth | <kergoth> nnn: right now i've got a lot on my plate. cant do everything. heh. |
| 16:51:21 | nnn | damn it |
| 16:51:25 | kergoth | decides sitting on IRC ISN'T the best use of his time considering the amount to be done |
| 16:51:34 | nnn | kergoth : well, this is a FreeISP, I wont expect a better service :) |
| 16:51:37 | kergoth | nnn: http://sourceforge.net/projects/openzaurus/ |
| 16:52:15 | msmax | Complx: BigBoss is offnow, will be available (with tkcPlayer) in 90 minut |
| 16:52:23 | Complx | cool ! :> lol |
| 16:52:36 | Complx | im like a kid on xmas eve, heh, I cant wait! |
| 16:52:43 | kergoth | need that ogg eh? |
| 16:52:52 | nnn | kewl, kergoth : now u don't have to say it for another time |
| 16:52:55 | nnn | hehe :) |
| 16:52:58 | kergoth | yay |
| 16:52:59 | kergoth | :-P |
| 16:53:09 | Complx | hehe. yeah, I want to install tkc jabber. and play mahjong |
| 16:53:14 | nnn | kergoth : I didn't use any of OZ's betas yet, what makes OZ better than Familiar |
| 16:53:15 | nnn | lol |
| 16:53:30 | kergoth | nnn: the old versions of OZ were custom hacked sharp roms |
| 16:53:35 | kergoth | nnn: basically altered versions of embedix |
| 16:53:45 | Complx | question |
| 16:53:53 | kergoth | nnn: openzaurus is now just like any other debian based embedded distro, really. simply built for the Z |
| 16:54:01 | ljp_laptop | kergoth: you ever tackle that console prob? |
| 16:54:18 | Complx | anyone here play the asteroids game? |
| 16:54:20 | finkployd | kergoth: Will it support the SD port? |
| 16:54:23 | kergoth | ljp_laptop: i figure i should remember to mount devpts on /dev/pts this time around |
| 16:54:26 | Complx | how the hell do you operate the sjheild? |
| 16:54:27 | kergoth | ljp_laptop: lol |
| 16:54:40 | kergoth | finkployd: yeah, i'm grabbing sharp's sdmmc.o binary module |
| 16:55:36 | finkployd | kergoth: Have you thought of compiling FreeS/WAN into it? |
| 16:55:48 | kergoth | finkployd: yes. that'll be a later addition |
| 16:55:59 | kergoth | finkployd: i just dont have enough time.. argh |
| 16:56:02 | nnn | kergoth : so, it would have some form of tinyX-server or still use QPE? |
| 16:56:07 | finkployd | I've been starting some work on that with Sharps linux tree |
| 16:56:10 | kergoth | nnn: it uses Opie by default |
| 16:56:32 | finkployd | Unfortunatly, FreeS/WAN does NOT easily cross compile |
| 16:56:33 | kergoth | nnn: you could easily switch it though. i plan on adding a bootup menu to select which gui to load if you have more than one installed |
| 16:56:35 | Complx | is the source code for the asteroids game available? |
| 16:56:39 | kergoth | finkployd: no kidding |
| 16:56:44 | kergoth | Complx: qpe.sourceforge.net |
| 16:56:46 | nnn | nice :) |
| 16:56:55 | Complx | http://qpe.sourceforge.net |
| 16:56:59 | kergoth | nnn: i already added picogui to the buildsystem |
| 16:57:21 | finkployd | kergoth: They say it right in their documentation, they do not support it (and appearently don't even consider it at this point) |
| 16:57:23 | nnn | kergoth : pico kix ass, it just needs some more applications |
| 16:57:26 | nnn | X-Chat isn't enough :) |
| 16:59:49 | ljp_laptop | kergoth: is OZ' uname -a string different from default Z's? |
| 17:01:21 | Complx | *sigh* |
| 17:01:33 | Complx | any idea wich file has the asteroids source in it? |
| 17:01:43 | Complx | I got this on my drive allready, but dont know qwhere to look |
| 17:02:32 | ljp_laptop | qpe ?? |
| 17:03:43 | Complx | yeah |
| 17:04:59 | nnn | kergoth : how big is OZ? |
| 17:09:28 | nnn | ugh, ipkg is used to install stuff into Flash memo, why not Microdrives in CF slots? |
| 17:09:45 | bewmIES | Complx: qpe/qasteroids? |
| 17:10:41 | Complx | yeah |
| 17:11:35 | Complx | .. |
| 17:11:56 | Complx | test |
| 17:12:02 | Complx | there wse go :> |
| 17:19:04 | Complx | bewmies, do you have any idea? |
| 17:19:15 | Complx | I cant make any sense of this source. its like its not even made for the Z |
| 17:21:11 | benmeyer | zauruszone's feed has been updateded :) |
| 17:21:47 | Complx | nnn, what do you mean that ipkg wont install to microdriuves. I thought it would. just depended on the app wether it could or not |
| 17:24:07 | nnn | Complx : I'm not familiar with ipkg, but on it's website, it talks about installation into Flash memo and all that talk about size-matters made me think it doesn't work with mediums other than Flash memo |
| 17:24:55 | kergoth | nnn: ipkg supports alternate install paths via the 'dest' option in /etc/ipkg.conf |
| 17:24:57 | kergoth | brb |
| 17:25:12 | Fluxwerk | hates novell |
| 17:25:36 | benmeyer | kergoth: can you point me to instructions on how to get telnet installed? |
| 17:26:07 | Fluxwerk | wonders how oz3 is coming along |
| 17:26:08 | nnn | kergoth : thanks ;) |
| 17:26:27 | benmeyer | Heard that you knew howto |
| 17:26:28 | JasonNJ | the opie konqueror ipk installs fine from SD, but if you install it from a feed the zaurus complains |
| 17:26:33 | JasonNJ | not sure what is up with that |
| 17:26:42 | JasonNJ | does it work with ipkg-c ? |
| 17:29:15 | kergoth | JasonNJ: dont install any opie package onto the Z from the ipaq feed directly jusing network in add/remove apps |
| 17:29:33 | JasonNJ | kergoth: why is that broken |
| 17:29:35 | kergoth | JasonNJ: it'll install dependent items that break things. read the section on opie.handhelds.org wiki regarding the Zaurus. ljp wrote it up |
| 17:29:39 | kergoth | JasonNJ: because the feed is for ipaq |
| 17:29:55 | kergoth | JasonNJ: it'll install our libqpe and libqte and overwrite the symlinks on the sharp rom with them |
| 17:30:05 | kergoth | JasonNJ: which is unnecessary, since libqte and libqpe are already on the Z |
| 17:30:06 | JasonNJ | agh |
| 17:30:20 | JasonNJ | kergoth: gimme my OZ 3! |
| 17:30:57 | kergoth | patience.. you do want to be able to suspend, right? :-P |
| 17:31:39 | Complx | lol |
| 17:32:54 | BigBoss | ben/jason: updated tkc apps are winging their way to you right now' |
| 17:32:57 | benmeyer | Has anyone tried the apache ipk? |
| 17:33:00 | benmeyer | cool |
| 17:33:01 | Complx | WOOT |
| 17:33:07 | Complx | when can I place my order? |
| 17:33:26 | BigBoss | complx: working on the uploads right now |
| 17:33:31 | Complx | saawheeeet |
| 17:33:49 | BigBoss | just so you know, I am foregoing a shower to do this for you :) |
| 17:33:49 | Complx | course now my bnatteries are dead, because one of my kids was trying to beat my score in asteroids. |
| 17:34:07 | Complx | lol heh. I feel honored :> |
| 17:34:09 | bewmIES | Install kpacman |
| 17:34:12 | bewmIES | That game is fun |
| 17:34:22 | Complx | kpacman? cool :> Ill chek it out |
| 17:34:44 | warmi | http://www.usatoday.com/life/cyber/ccarch/2002/04/05/fischer.htm - decent review |
| 17:34:57 | Complx | um.. anyone think they could put a pause button in asteroids? or make it store high schores? |
| 17:34:58 | finkployd | BigBoss: Has tkcJabber been updated recently? |
| 17:35:15 | BigBoss | there is an update as part of this |
| 17:35:24 | Complx | shit, high scores in ANYTHING would be good, - and amek that fifteen game do 24 as well. and make it track bnest times |
| 17:35:25 | BigBoss | we added emoticons to it and some other things :) |
| 17:35:31 | finkployd | cool |
| 17:35:33 | Complx | nice :> |
| 17:35:45 | benmeyer | More icons have been uploaded to the zfi |
| 17:35:52 | benmeyer | screenshots |
| 17:36:32 | Complx | lol |
| 17:36:36 | Complx | one of my students has bitch tits |
| 17:36:58 | finkployd | that reminds me, I need to lose weight :) |
| 17:37:02 | Complx | we piock on him for it? |
| 17:37:04 | Complx | pick |
| 17:37:11 | Complx | lol |
| 17:37:30 | BigBoss | I just got back from the gym and I stink |
| 17:37:38 | Complx | heheh |
| 17:37:41 | Complx | right on :> |
| 17:38:41 | JasonNJ | the usa today guy clearly understands technology |
| 17:38:48 | Complx | lol |
| 17:40:28 | BigBoss | is there a new review? |
| 17:41:50 | ep0ch | http://www.usatoday.com/life/cyber/ccarch/2002/04/05/fischer.htm that one?? |
| 17:41:53 | warmi | usa today .. I don't know if this made into paper |
| 17:42:04 | warmi | it is from April 5th . |
| 17:42:09 | ep0ch | Sharp's new Zaurus worth a second look |
| 17:42:17 | ep0ch | yeah 5th april |
| 17:43:40 | kergoth | nice, opie suspends again in OZ |
| 17:43:42 | kergoth | thats always nice |
| 17:43:47 | kergoth | time to get sd/mmc working again |
| 17:44:36 | MEGASTeP | is back (gone 15:14:35) |
| 17:44:42 | warmi | hey guys anyone knows if retail 5500 package contains references or links to myzaurus.com ? |
| 17:47:19 | Neo|Work | yo |
| 17:47:23 | Complx | unf |
| 17:48:15 | MrX | anyone play with qtopia-x ? |
| 17:48:53 | ep0ch | "The slide-down keyboard is the only way to enter your own Web addresses into the Opera browser because on-screen, soft keyboards, which are available in most of the other applications, aren't present here. What's more, the navigation joypad and other Zaurus function buttons on the Zaurus are rendered useless in Opera once you start entering Web addresses with the thumb keyboard. Closing Opera fixes the problem, though this is something that Sharp and the Opera fo |
| 17:48:55 | JasonNJ | I wasnt aware they got it working yet |
| 17:48:56 | ep0ch | you what? |
| 17:50:09 | whardier | http://vash.umgllc.com/angrybeaver.jpg |
| 17:50:10 | whardier | hahaha |
| 17:50:18 | whardier | I like having no hair |
| 17:50:27 | Complx | he |
| 17:50:30 | Complx | I got you beat |
| 17:50:34 | Fluxwerk | bald is good |
| 17:50:35 | Complx | I shave my skull with a mack 3 |
| 17:50:35 | whardier | ok lets see! |
| 17:50:36 | whardier | haha |
| 17:50:37 | kergoth | whardier: fyi oz3 will be prereleased for testing shortly |
| 17:50:47 | whardier | kergoth you bastard |
| 17:50:49 | Complx | http://me.256k.net |
| 17:50:49 | whardier | I just woke up |
| 17:50:53 | whardier | did you put in wlan-ng yet? |
| 17:50:53 | kergoth | hah |
| 17:50:56 | JasonNJ | whardier is that you? |
| 17:51:01 | whardier | JasonNJ yeah |
| 17:51:03 | whardier | whardier 3.0 |
| 17:51:06 | JasonNJ | you look like a psycho rapist |
| 17:51:07 | kergoth | whardier: no, its on my todo list. right after fixing the /home extraction |
| 17:51:12 | whardier | ok |
| 17:51:14 | Fluxwerk | www.wombatnipplechips.com/imgaes/Argh.jpg |
| 17:51:14 | whardier | damnit |
| 17:51:15 | whardier | you suck |
| 17:51:19 | whardier | I have been fucking busy |
| 17:51:20 | Fluxwerk | www.wombatnipplechips.com/images/Argh.jpg |
| 17:51:22 | Fluxwerk | D'oh |
| 17:51:27 | whardier | Fluxwerk yeah.. I like your hair! |
| 17:51:40 | benmeyer | whardier, do you know how to get the ftp server up and running on the z? |
| 17:51:43 | Complx | LOL |
| 17:51:43 | Fluxwerk | all none of it |
| 17:51:46 | Complx | that you flux?? |
| 17:51:46 | Neo|Work | ep0ch: uh, am I missing something? The onscreen keyboard works fine to what I can see..? |
| 17:51:53 | Fluxwerk | that's me |
| 17:51:57 | ep0ch | i know :) |
| 17:52:03 | ep0ch | its a quote from a revie |
| 17:52:03 | ep0ch | w |
| 17:52:09 | ep0ch | the muppet |
| 17:52:10 | JasonNJ | Fluxwerk: that is one scary picture |
| 17:52:17 | Fluxwerk | is a scary guy |
| 17:52:32 | Fluxwerk | damn gonna be working late :/ |
| 17:52:34 | Complx | http://me.256k.net/portfo/early.jpg |
| 17:52:42 | Fluxwerk | damn hour drive to go work on lousy novell crap |
| 17:52:43 | whardier | haha |
| 17:52:44 | whardier | rule! |
| 17:52:48 | whardier | Complx hehe |
| 17:52:48 | Complx | http://me.256k.net/portfo/index.htm |
| 17:53:04 | whardier | http://hardwire.bogomip.com/ |
| 17:53:17 | Complx | http://me.256k.net/portfo/JonnyFace.jpg |
| 17:53:17 | whardier | bald is sooo hip! |
| 17:53:25 | whardier | HAHAHA! |
| 17:53:29 | whardier | THAT IS AWESOME! |
| 17:53:36 | Neo|Work | JasonNJ: how does the ZZ feed get updated? |
| 17:53:38 | whardier | I am gonna cast you in an anime! |
| 17:53:43 | Fluxwerk | www.wombatnipplechips.com/images/crtlaltdel.jpg love this |
| 17:53:50 | whardier | 404 |
| 17:53:53 | Complx | this is my "timothy mcveigh" pose,. http://me.256k.net/portfo/riker_id.jpg |
| 17:53:54 | JasonNJ | whardier: how about some more OZ artwork |
| 17:54:10 | whardier | JasonNJ I could handle that |
| 17:54:13 | whardier | whatcha thinkin |
| 17:54:19 | Neo|Work | http://david.hedbor.org/old/img/neotron2.jpg |
| 17:54:35 | JasonNJ | well, we love pingizaru as a concept, but he needs to look flashier |
| 17:54:42 | JasonNJ | right now he looks too pokeymon |
| 17:54:43 | Fluxwerk | www.wombatnipplechips.com/images/ctrlaltdel.jpg love this |
| 17:54:46 | Fluxwerk | damn dyslexia |
| 17:54:48 | JasonNJ | something rendered maybe |
| 17:54:50 | JasonNJ | or 3d |
| 17:54:58 | whardier | I can do 3d |
| 17:55:04 | whardier | actually |
| 17:55:04 | whardier | HAHa |
| 17:55:08 | Neo|Work | I think PZ is just perfect myself. :-P |
| 17:55:08 | whardier | you gave me a great Idea |
| 17:55:22 | JasonNJ | pingizaru meets the matrix |
| 17:55:28 | whardier | I found a neat way to posterize textures for rendered cartoons |
| 17:55:32 | NetAmp | pingizauru! woohoo! |
| 17:55:38 | Fluxwerk | www.wombatnipplechips.com/images/shpw2.jpg |
| 17:55:52 | whardier | cover me in slime and I will look like neo waking up from the matrix |
| 17:56:16 | tux_mike | i hate fast food clerks |
| 17:56:20 | Neo|Work | heh |
| 17:56:54 | NetAmp | I just found a GREAT new storage solution for a Zaurus: http://www.tweakers.net/nieuws/21369 (text next to pic is English) |
| 17:56:57 | JasonNJ | we need a new cool bootups screen for OZ 3 |
| 17:57:00 | NetAmp | hah |
| 17:57:05 | JasonNJ | cause right now we just have the old one right |
| 17:57:09 | BigBoss | jason: use our "special" screen saver |
| 17:57:15 | Neo|Work | whardier: a pingizauri just unplugged from the matrix, covered in slime? |
| 17:57:16 | Complx | heh |
| 17:57:24 | Complx | I got some bootup screens |
| 17:57:37 | warmi | haha |
| 17:57:42 | Complx | go to http://me.256k.net/casemod/ZAURUS_MODS |
| 17:57:56 | Complx | http://me.256k.net/casemod/ZAURUS-MODS/ |
| 17:57:58 | JasonNJ | BigBoss: I dare you to throw that on MyZaurus.com |
| 17:57:59 | NetAmp | Kwacky should be on the bootup screen ;) |
| 17:58:51 | JasonNJ | tkcGoGoGirl |
| 17:58:53 | ep0ch | BB: vorbis? |
| 17:58:55 | whardier | rawr? |
| 17:59:06 | whardier | bbl lunch |
| 17:59:24 | JasonNJ | tkcLapDance |
| 18:00:17 | Complx | tkcSpankME |
| 18:00:37 | kergoth | JasonNJ: wtf is the sharpzdc_cs.o kernel module? |
| 18:00:56 | JasonNJ | kergoth: Ask Bzflag |
| 18:01:01 | JasonNJ | I have no idea |
| 18:01:20 | kerny|Z | card services |
| 18:01:27 | JasonNJ | ah |
| 18:01:28 | JasonNJ | DC |
| 18:01:30 | JasonNJ | digital camera |
| 18:01:31 | kergoth | dc? |
| 18:01:31 | benmeyer | Folder not found |
| 18:01:33 | kergoth | oh |
| 18:01:36 | JasonNJ | thats my guess |
| 18:01:41 | kergoth | hmm |
| 18:01:54 | kergoth | is grabbing items from the sharp rom.. sd module, usbd hotplug scripts.. |
| 18:02:10 | Fluxwerk | kergoth: how close :) |
| 18:02:15 | bewmIES | man |
| 18:02:24 | bewmIES | This has been one hellish week and it's only halfway over. |
| 18:02:25 | JasonNJ | kergoth: pull it off the 5500 rom |
| 18:02:39 | JasonNJ | although 1.13 should be the same kernel |
| 18:02:42 | bewmIES | What is the deal with that SD module? Did Sharp write it? |
| 18:02:42 | kergoth | 1) finish up /home extraction and handling. 2) symlink the startup scripts into place |
| 18:02:43 | Fluxwerk | hump day |
| 18:02:56 | kergoth | 3) throw up a openz web page with ipk feed |
| 18:03:01 | bewmIES | Are there any other SD modules in the kernel? |
| 18:03:03 | tux_mike | JasonNJ: did you ever add that mime type to zz's apache conf file? |
| 18:03:05 | Fluxwerk | kergoth: this week then :) |
| 18:03:15 | JasonNJ | tux_mike: mimetypes in zz are broken |
| 18:03:23 | JasonNJ | gonna switch board software soon |
| 18:03:26 | JasonNJ | to a php based system |
| 18:03:36 | JasonNJ | and the upload stuff is going to be sourceforge based |
| 18:03:38 | tux_mike | ok, you should still add it for the feed, though |
| 18:03:42 | JasonNJ | ZZ will be its own sourceforge |
| 18:03:43 | bewmIES | That doesn't mean you can't add it to httpd.conf :) |
| 18:03:54 | bewmIES | For the time being |
| 18:04:02 | JasonNJ | whyt does it need to be in httpd.conf |
| 18:04:14 | bewmIES | So Apache sends the right content-type when somebody clicks to download an ipk |
| 18:04:17 | tux_mike | so most browsers don't try and display as text |
| 18:04:20 | bewmIES | It needs to send octet-stream |
| 18:04:25 | JasonNJ | hmm |
| 18:04:30 | JasonNJ | send me the exact changes |
| 18:04:35 | JasonNJ | I dont admin that box anymore |
| 18:04:41 | bewmIES | AddType application/octet-stream ipk |
| 18:04:41 | kergoth | anyone know of a prebuilt php/mysql based system for handling developer login/registration and tracking of projects, todo list, etc? |
| 18:04:43 | bewmIES | In httpd.conf |
| 18:04:50 | JasonNJ | email please |
| 18:04:53 | bewmIES | addy? |
| 18:04:53 | JasonNJ | perlowj@sharpsec.com |
| 18:05:33 | JasonNJ | kergoth: you wont need to host your own |
| 18:05:40 | tux_mike | kergoth: no, looking for something for oz? |
| 18:05:41 | bewmIES | sent |
| 18:05:42 | JasonNJ | I will give you space on sharp's developer site when it s up |
| 18:05:44 | tux_mike | s/oz/opie |
| 18:05:56 | kergoth | yes, looking for something for the opie project. its a mess right now on the web |
| 18:05:58 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:06:17 | JasonNJ | do opie on sourceforge for now |
| 18:06:19 | tux_mike | kergoth: did you look at phpgroupware? |
| 18:06:24 | JasonNJ | we can migrate the project over later |
| 18:06:29 | bewmIES | Keep project/todo info in the repository? |
| 18:06:44 | bewmIES | Kill two birds with one stone, make life easier :) |
| 18:07:52 | kergoth | tux_mike: no i havent looked at that |
| 18:07:53 | kergoth | JasonNJ: k |
| 18:08:11 | tux_mike | it doesn't interface with cvs, but it has project management |
| 18:08:20 | benmeyer | http://www.kismetwireless.net/index.shtml |
| 18:09:57 | bewmIES | Are there any ipk's for that? |
| 18:10:05 | benmeyer | yah |
| 18:10:07 | benmeyer | on the download page |
| 18:10:11 | benmeyer | command line only |
| 18:10:15 | BigBoss | ben/jason: you guys get my email? |
| 18:10:25 | bewmIES | ahh, didn't see it at first glance. Thanks. |
| 18:13:21 | Hellaenergy | man those smc ap are expensive |
| 18:14:03 | Hellaenergy | How is everyone |
| 18:14:21 | Fluxwerk | is off to Lancaster MA wh00p |
| 18:14:32 | benmeyer | Anyone try apache yet? |
| 18:14:33 | Fluxwerk | 1 hour drive and 3hours work on Novell |
| 18:14:37 | Fluxwerk | crieas |
| 18:14:41 | Fluxwerk | cries too |
| 18:14:49 | JasonNJ | Fluxwerk: gotta take work when you can find it |
| 18:15:27 | Fluxwerk | JasonNJ: I hear that |
| 18:15:35 | Fluxwerk | I just hate Novell ;) |
| 18:15:42 | kergoth | i'm going to shooot some of these stupid motherfuckers on the phone |
| 18:15:52 | JasonNJ | novell 5 is actually pretty nice |
| 18:15:57 | tux_mike | kergoth: customers? |
| 18:16:00 | kergoth | anyone know how pseudo ttys work? what normally resides in /dev/pts/ |
| 18:16:01 | kergoth | ? |
| 18:16:03 | kergoth | tux_mike: yes |
| 18:16:06 | Fluxwerk | JasonNJ: I usually get the old stuff though |
| 18:16:13 | tux_mike | JasonNJ: i hate novell |
| 18:16:17 | Fluxwerk | and groupwise kills me to |
| 18:16:35 | Fluxwerk | later all |
| 18:16:35 | tux_mike | kergoth: they are magic devices handled by devpts filesystem |
| 18:16:50 | kergoth | tux_mike: hmm |
| 18:17:05 | BigBoss | Complx: you should be able to buy the updated tkcBundle on our site now |
| 18:17:09 | kergoth | tux_mike: embeddedkonsole doesnt work on oz3. pops up then vanishes. i suspect its due to the MyPty stuff |
| 18:17:24 | Hellaenergy | benmyer: apache for the z? |
| 18:17:38 | kergoth | heh. just use boa on the Z |
| 18:17:39 | tux_mike | kergoth: mount? |
| 18:17:50 | kergoth | tux_mike: devpts is mounted on /dev/pts type devpts |
| 18:17:51 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:18:06 | Hellaenergy | I got a boa at home |
| 18:18:10 | tux_mike | ls -ld /dev/pts |
| 18:18:45 | kergoth | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 0 Jan 1 21:59 /dev/pts |
| 18:19:10 | tux_mike | how odd |
| 18:19:13 | kergoth | ? |
| 18:19:50 | tux_mike | i dunno |
| 18:20:04 | kergoth | hmmm |
| 18:20:08 | tux_mike | what's the kernel max pts set to? |
| 18:20:21 | Neo|Work | I personally see no reason for a webserver on the Z. :P |
| 18:20:48 | tux_mike | NeoTron: i agree now, but uses can be made out of it, if it can handel sss |
| 18:21:43 | kergoth | hmmm |
| 18:22:05 | kergoth | in order to acquire a pseudo terminal, a process opens /dev/ptmx; |
| 18:22:07 | kergoth | "" |
| 18:22:11 | kergoth | ptmx? |
| 18:23:16 | kergoth | well shit |
| 18:23:19 | kergoth | i have ptmx on the z |
| 18:23:20 | kergoth | hmm |
| 18:23:45 | kergoth | i also have ttyxx and ptyxx in case it wants to use the old style |
| 18:23:57 | kergoth | tux_mike: supports 32 unix98 ptys |
| 18:24:03 | BigBoss | I think we need to start shipping our software on these CD's http://www.cdfx.com/newsite/shaped.html |
| 18:24:19 | tux_mike | kergoth: what are the /dev/ptmx permissions? |
| 18:24:29 | benmeyer | no |
| 18:24:34 | benmeyer | they ruin cd drives |
| 18:24:38 | kergoth | tux_mike: 666 |
| 18:24:41 | benmeyer | and slot loading drives can 't use them |
| 18:24:54 | tux_mike | that's what it's supposed to be |
| 18:24:57 | tux_mike | hrm |
| 18:25:09 | kergoth | tux_mike: no idea |
| 18:25:20 | kergoth | tux_mike: its 666 on my desktop |
| 18:25:27 | kergoth | tux_mike: 5,2 major/minor |
| 18:25:29 | tux_mike | same here |
| 18:25:31 | kergoth | argh |
| 18:25:32 | kergoth | hmm |
| 18:25:42 | kergoth | beats embeddedkonsole over the head with an old monitor |
| 18:25:44 | Hellaenergy | man they just stole my voice :( |
| 18:26:56 | benmeyer | Raise your hand if you hate it when after a 3 hour download the download stops at 99% |
| 18:27:23 | kergoth | raises his hand |
| 18:27:33 | kergoth | hmm whats in this ptydevs package from qtopia/opie... |
| 18:27:44 | BigBoss | actually I really enjoy it |
| 18:27:55 | tux_mike | benmeyer: well, TT stops at 99% and the window doesn't disappear, but it's complete |
| 18:32:12 | Gepeto | boo! |
| 18:33:03 | Hellapissed | ah |
| 18:33:37 | kergoth | ahahaha |
| 18:33:38 | kergoth | lmao |
| 18:33:41 | kergoth | wtf?! |
| 18:33:45 | Gepeto | hm? |
| 18:33:59 | kergoth | i have a text file containing about 8 export lines.. setting env variables |
| 18:34:04 | kergoth | the Z has 14mb of ram free |
| 18:34:11 | kergoth | + 1.4 megs cached |
| 18:34:24 | kergoth | when i run '. filename' to load that into my current shell |
| 18:34:33 | kergoth | the Z runs out of RAM and runs the oomkiller to kill my shell! |
| 18:34:34 | kergoth | lol |
| 18:34:54 | kergoth | bad busybox! bad! |
| 18:34:58 | Gepeto | compiles KDE 3 at the moment... |
| 18:35:05 | ep0ch | that going to be a new feature in OZ? |
| 18:35:18 | Gepeto | I wonder how many years this is gonna take |
| 18:35:45 | ep0ch | d'oh!!! |
| 18:36:40 | kergoth | argh |
| 18:36:48 | kergoth | embeddedkonsole still doesnt spawn a shell |
| 18:36:51 | kergoth | grr |
| 18:38:08 | kergoth | brb |
| 18:45:55 | Neo|Work | kergoth: it's not a recursive execution is it? |
| 18:46:08 | Neo|Work | i.e that file doesn't load itself in some way? |
| 18:46:45 | ep0ch | truss it |
| 18:47:09 | Neo|Work | ep0ch: you a solaris guy? :P |
| 18:47:14 | ep0ch | yer |
| 18:47:24 | ep0ch | :) |
| 18:47:31 | Neo|Work | figured. truss not existing on linux and all. :P |
| 18:47:38 | Neo|Work | strace would be the linux one |
| 18:51:16 | Complx | is it ready yet? ?> |
| 18:54:36 | Complx | :> can I buy the new tkc bundle? :> |
| 18:54:48 | Complx | heehee |
| 18:58:35 | kergoth | eats chicken noodle soup |
| 18:59:23 | Neo|Work | is away: mtg |
| 18:59:25 | Complx | BigBoss: you there? :> |
| 18:59:30 | BigBoss | yes and yes |
| 18:59:41 | BigBoss | the page says $69.95, but it will charge you $74.95 |
| 18:59:47 | BigBoss | and you should get a single zip file with everything |
| 19:00:16 | Complx | sweet! |
| 19:00:24 | Complx | okay, im ordering now :> |
| 19:01:03 | Complx | tkcBundle - 1.5.0 US$ 74.95 |
| 19:01:03 | Complx | US$ 74.95 |
| 19:01:03 | Complx | Total Amount (without shipping and handling) US$ 74.95 |
| 19:01:35 | ep0ch | how much is shipping and handling? |
| 19:01:39 | ep0ch | ;) |
| 19:01:50 | Complx | zero |
| 19:01:54 | Complx | there is no shipping |
| 19:02:00 | ep0ch | so why say it? |
| 19:02:06 | ljp-- | looks like $5 |
| 19:03:29 | BigBoss | there is no shipping |
| 19:03:33 | BigBoss | it's all download |
| 19:03:43 | ljp-- | thats shipping :) |
| 19:03:54 | BigBoss | we don't charge you for the bandwidth you use :) |
| 19:04:04 | ep0ch | how kind |
| 19:04:54 | ljp-- | ya.. that'd might be too MICROS~1 |
| 19:05:00 | Complx | as if |
| 19:05:10 | Complx | I just registered as a new user and it wont take my password |
| 19:05:11 | Complx | lol |
| 19:07:40 | Complx | *sigh* |
| 19:07:46 | Complx | I rush myself too much some times |
| 19:08:05 | warmi | Complx: so you finally got your stuff ? |
| 19:08:06 | ep0ch | is that what yer woman says? ;) |
| 19:08:08 | warmi | lol |
| 19:08:40 | bewmIES | heh, are you doing one big .zip now to get around that bug where people who had bought the bundle before could get the new programs added to it? |
| 19:09:43 | kergoth | i'm glad i enabled the oom killer on the oz kernel |
| 19:10:08 | bewmIES | 2.4.6? The OOM killer was still pretty buggy back then. :) |
| 19:10:21 | kergoth | hehe. it worked when my busybox went berserk |
| 19:10:24 | kergoth | :-) |
| 19:10:26 | BigBoss | bewmIES: no - the web site had the code to handle it, I just didn't know how to do it |
| 19:10:28 | Complx | I put two periods in my username. duh |
| 19:10:31 | BigBoss | I did one big zip file because it seemed easier |
| 19:11:20 | Complx | what is ooom killer? |
| 19:11:54 | MSpin | Complx: Out Of Memory Killer...it picks a process to shoot in the head if the system is out of memory |
| 19:12:07 | Complx | nie! |
| 19:12:09 | kergoth | which is preferred to the box crashing instead |
| 19:12:10 | Complx | nice |
| 19:12:13 | MSpin | yup |
| 19:12:14 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:12:23 | Complx | - uh.. but I have never had ti crash when it was out of memory |
| 19:12:34 | Complx | it just says out of mem, and I shut down some apps |
| 19:12:37 | killefiz | http://www.thekompany.com/embedded/tkcplayer/ doesn't work ;) |
| 19:12:38 | MSpin | Complx: because the kernel killed a processes |
| 19:12:52 | MSpin | oh |
| 19:12:53 | kergoth | Complx:you rarely encounter a truely out of memory condition.. it generally warns you frist |
| 19:12:53 | Complx | I did that one day, opened every app I had. |
| 19:12:59 | Complx | oh. okay |
| 19:13:00 | whardier | http://vash.umgllc.com/skullcap.jpg |
| 19:13:03 | whardier | BWA HA HA |
| 19:13:05 | kergoth | but it can still happen |
| 19:13:16 | Complx | roger |
| 19:13:28 | kergoth | whardier: you need to stop playing with your photos and work. hehe. :-P |
| 19:13:56 | BigBoss | killefiz: we don't have the page live yet |
| 19:14:04 | whardier | kergoth this is my work man! |
| 19:14:04 | sieve | Is it beer:30 yet? |
| 19:14:12 | whardier | I am an undercover programmer |
| 19:14:12 | whardier | ! |
| 19:14:54 | Complx | uh, hey big |
| 19:15:08 | Complx | tyhe download page gave me links to each of the packlages |
| 19:15:35 | BigBoss | it's not one zip file? |
| 19:15:51 | BigBoss | this is the first time I've tried the versioning system |
| 19:16:21 | Complx | nope. its not one zip. and player isnt in there. |
| 19:16:49 | BigBoss | bollocks |
| 19:16:53 | BigBoss | let me check it |
| 19:17:00 | BigBoss | I'll email you the player in the meantime |
| 19:17:12 | Complx | k |
| 19:17:18 | Complx | jdresser@256k.net |
| 19:17:21 | Complx | but you knew that |
| 19:17:23 | ljp-- | me too! me too! :D |
| 19:17:49 | kergoth | shoots embeddedkonsole in the head |
| 19:18:04 | kergoth | time to add some QWarning's |
| 19:18:07 | BigBoss | on its way now |
| 19:18:17 | ljp-- | hmmm thats not a good sign kergoth |
| 19:18:26 | kergoth | ljp--: it runs now |
| 19:18:36 | ep0ch | the player is out? |
| 19:18:36 | kergoth | ljp--: i had to create /dev/ttyp* and /dev/ptyp* |
| 19:18:45 | ljp-- | :D |
| 19:18:59 | kergoth | ljp--: but the box where the shell shoudl be is just a white box. nothing in it but a cursor.. |
| 19:18:59 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:19:20 | ljp-- | hmmm /bin/sh ? |
| 19:19:31 | whardier | filters the tkc list |
| 19:19:31 | whardier | damnit |
| 19:19:34 | kergoth | ljp--: exists. symlink to /bin/busybox |
| 19:19:54 | ljp-- | hm |
| 19:20:03 | Complx | now, how will I get updates to this? |
| 19:20:04 | kergoth | odd eh? |
| 19:20:24 | kergoth | i should install ssh. see if it can allocate a tty on login |
| 19:20:30 | kergoth | s/ssh/sshd/ |
| 19:20:49 | ljp-- | ya |
| 19:20:58 | WilyHacker | are there some shopping cart problems on the tkc site? |
| 19:21:07 | BigBoss | complx: by going back to our site and downloading again |
| 19:21:12 | BigBoss | WilyHacker: what is wrong? |
| 19:21:30 | WilyHacker | it is telling me that tkcJabber is not a valid product for the shopping cart |
| 19:21:37 | whardier | is soo very pimp |
| 19:21:48 | ljp-- | kergoth: on the Z /bin/sh is a symlink to ash |
| 19:21:54 | kergoth | ljp--: yep, i know |
| 19:21:59 | Complx | lol. every time I ask a dumb question, I find the answer as soon as I hit send |
| 19:22:00 | Complx | lol |
| 19:22:02 | kergoth | ljp--: i built ash support into busybox and used that |
| 19:22:07 | Complx | shakes head. |
| 19:22:07 | kergoth | ljp--: no reason it shouldnt work |
| 19:22:09 | ljp-- | heh |
| 19:22:16 | kergoth | yawns |
| 19:22:18 | whardier | http://vash.umgllc.com/fawker.jp |
| 19:22:19 | whardier | http://vash.umgllc.com/fawker.jpg |
| 19:22:20 | Complx | if I just READ what was in front of me, I would know all this. |
| 19:22:21 | Complx | lol |
| 19:22:42 | kergoth | Complx: damnit, i hate customers that do that |
| 19:22:49 | kergoth | Complx: i work in tech support. damnit rtfm |
| 19:22:50 | kergoth | ;-) |
| 19:23:25 | MSpin | I love busybox:) |
| 19:23:49 | BigBoss | WilyHacker: what browser? |
| 19:23:55 | WilyHacker | IE 6.0 |
| 19:25:16 | WilyHacker | and konqy |
| 19:26:09 | BigBoss | and you are on the /embedded/tkcjabber page and select the combo box for the product? |
| 19:26:09 | Complx | apologizes profusely to kergoth |
| 19:26:51 | WilyHacker | oh, yeah, that's the ticket. |
| 19:27:23 | WilyHacker | now I enter my login info and it wants my CC info again |
| 19:27:54 | WilyHacker | I should be able to just download it since I already own it, right? |
| 19:29:15 | benmeyer | How do I activate Apache on the z? |
| 19:29:40 | kergoth | benmeyer: ack, why are you using apache on the z? |
| 19:29:54 | ep0ch | mobile pr0n server |
| 19:30:00 | ep0ch | :p |
| 19:30:00 | kergoth | use boa, smaller formfactor |
| 19:30:32 | benmeyer | I simply want to see it running |
| 19:30:35 | benmeyer | cool factor |
| 19:30:36 | benmeyer | :) |
| 19:30:42 | kergoth | ah :-) |
| 19:31:04 | Hellaenergy | I am working with a guy to get tomcat running on the z |
| 19:33:29 | BigBoss | Wily: you are trying to download, not purchase? |
| 19:33:39 | BigBoss | select Products, then Download Basket, and then enter your user and pass |
| 19:34:40 | Hellaenergy | BigBoss: can I download Data Arch? |
| 19:34:49 | WilyHacker | ack, my eyes must be failing me, thanks much |
| 19:34:55 | roge99 | Hey BigBoss how long till tkcMediaPlayer |
| 19:35:16 | Gepeto | BigBoss: and will I be able to turn the screen off while playing mp3s? :) |
| 19:38:09 | BigBoss | hellaengery: if you own it you can download it |
| 19:38:15 | BigBoss | roge99: I think 2 weeks |
| 19:38:33 | BigBoss | Gepeto: we don't have that working in Player yet, but it does keep going with the display dimmed, which helps |
| 19:38:44 | Gepeto | BigBoss: yeah well that's good |
| 19:38:51 | roge99 | BigBoss: it will do everything as tkcPlayer + more ? |
| 19:39:38 | BigBoss | yes |
| 19:39:53 | roge99 | how much ? |
| 19:39:59 | BigBoss | $14.95 |
| 19:40:13 | Complx | bb, is tkcMediaplayer an Extra purchase? |
| 19:40:16 | BigBoss | yes |
| 19:40:19 | Complx | :< |
| 19:40:29 | kergoth | waits for tkcMediaPlayer |
| 19:40:30 | ljp-- | you guys must have run into the same probs with FBIOBLANK as I did ... heh |
| 19:40:40 | tux_mike | BigBoss: can you select any file, not just those in the selector with tkcMP/MC? |
| 19:40:49 | Complx | will there be an upgrade price for mediaplayer? |
| 19:40:57 | BigBoss | mike: 'splain better |
| 19:41:14 | BigBoss | complx: no plan for it at the moment - consider that you bought the bundle, a savings of about $30 |
| 19:41:22 | ljp-- | cool nasatv on the web |
| 19:41:32 | tux_mike | BigBoss: well, are you using a tkcEditor style open box, not QPE's FileSelector? |
| 19:42:31 | BigBoss | qpe doesn't have a fileselector |
| 19:42:36 | BigBoss | we have our own file open dialog |
| 19:42:45 | BigBoss | qpe expects you to scan the documents folder or something strange |
| 19:42:50 | ljp-- | qpe does too have FileSelector |
| 19:42:53 | BigBoss | look at the built in editor for an example |
| 19:43:05 | BigBoss | that let's you browse the file system? |
| 19:43:12 | ljp-- | browse? no |
| 19:43:15 | kergoth | BigBoss: qpe fileselector uses the Documents interface |
| 19:43:18 | Complx | well sure, I bnought a bundle at a bundle rate, but if tkc media player is only 5$ more than tkc player, - why would anyone buy tkc player? |
| 19:43:31 | BigBoss | that is what I'm saying kergoth |
| 19:43:45 | BigBoss | complx: the price of the mediaplayer will rise as more interfaces are added |
| 19:43:46 | kergoth | ah, gotcha |
| 19:43:51 | BigBoss | some people just want to play mp3's |
| 19:43:54 | BigBoss | or oggs |
| 19:43:55 | ljp-- | thety wanted to push the 'document centric' paradigm |
| 19:43:57 | Complx | ah |
| 19:44:15 | BigBoss | ljp: which is fine in some cases, but if I want to open a damn file, I need to be able to find it :) |
| 19:44:20 | kergoth | the document centic paradigm isnt bad for a pda.. too bad its not implemented properly in qtopia |
| 19:44:22 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:44:23 | scanline | is away: class |
| 19:44:24 | ljp-- | yep |
| 19:44:44 | BigBoss | of course certain people at sharp don't like that we are doing that in tkcEditor, but it's meant for programmers |
| 19:44:51 | BigBoss | and I personally like it that way |
| 19:44:59 | tux_mike | BigBoss: can you add whole directories into tkcMediaPlayer/Center? |
| 19:45:34 | ljp-- | I like having a choice between the documents and the filedialog thing |
| 19:46:03 | benmeyer | where would you go/ |
| 19:46:04 | benmeyer | ? |
| 19:46:10 | BigBoss | tux_mike: it scans your system for media files and presents them to you, you can add them all or add them selectively |
| 19:46:17 | benmeyer | If something isn't in documetns then there is a bug that needs fixing |
| 19:47:14 | tux_mike | BigBoss: including nfs mounts? with the media player in QT that is a -pain- in the arse |
| 19:47:20 | BigBoss | you can swap them in the play list order, remove individuals and stuff |
| 19:47:31 | kergoth | I like the ofileselector idea. giving the user the choice. |
| 19:47:33 | BigBoss | don't know about nfs mounts |
| 19:47:34 | ljp-- | no.. you wouldnt want eveything in Documents. normal users aren't going to edit anything in /etc |
| 19:48:08 | tux_mike | BigBoss: well, right now, i manually mount my nfs share to /mnt/net |
| 19:48:24 | benmeyer | A raw backup app only needs to copy /home/root/Applications and /home/root/Settings? |
| 19:48:33 | tux_mike | i plan on making a front end program to do it, and make a fs hierarchy in /home somewhere |
| 19:48:43 | kergoth | tux_mike: ln -s /mnt/net ~/Documents/nfs; # perhaps? :-P |
| 19:49:09 | kergoth | argh what a day |
| 19:49:13 | kergoth | nothing going right |
| 19:49:18 | Gepeto | kergoth: same here |
| 19:49:53 | tux_mike | kergoth: well, i was thinking more like /home/mnt/... link some folders if you choose to ~/Documents/... |
| 19:50:40 | kergoth | tux_mike: even better.. a documents item in settings that allows you to select what dirs are scanned for documents, and whether its recursive or not in each dir. |
| 19:50:46 | benmeyer | anyone know where the Tabs template for designer is? |
| 19:50:46 | kergoth | tux_mike: :-) |
| 19:51:14 | benmeyer | found it never mind |
| 19:51:15 | tux_mike | kergoth: good idea for the documents tab in the new launcher :) |
| 19:51:22 | kergoth | tux_mike: precisely |
| 19:51:46 | kergoth | tux_mike: more granular control over that would prevent those hours of scanning when a microdrive is used and the like.. |
| 19:51:59 | tux_mike | yah |
| 19:52:34 | kergoth | tux_mike: have you looked at qtopia 3 yet? |
| 19:52:37 | kergoth | tux_mike: i havent had time to myself |
| 19:52:44 | tux_mike | not at all |
| 19:52:57 | kergoth | we should be able to merge in a number of improvements to the apps |
| 19:53:10 | ljp-- | its funny to watch nasatv and see how often they have to reboot windows machines.. |
| 19:53:14 | kergoth | lol.. |
| 19:53:35 | tux_mike | kergoth: what happened to keeping the same stuff as on the Z? :) |
| 19:53:49 | tux_mike | the same qt that is |
| 19:53:51 | kergoth | tux_mike: retaining compatibility is the key |
| 19:53:57 | kergoth | tux_mike: we can take improvements without switching to qt3 |
| 19:53:58 | tux_mike | yah |
| 19:54:02 | tux_mike | ok |
| 19:54:14 | kergoth | tux_mike: and while we're at it, we can add qt3 compatiibily as a compiletime option |
| 19:54:19 | tux_mike | have you tried adding ttf support yet? |
| 19:54:25 | tux_mike | kergoth: cool. |
| 19:54:28 | kergoth | tux_mike: we shouldnt mess with the library from qtopia 3 though.. heh.. |
| 19:54:30 | kergoth | tux_mike: no not yet |
| 19:54:36 | kergoth | no time.. |
| 19:54:39 | kergoth | never enough time |
| 19:54:42 | tux_mike | never |
| 19:54:54 | tux_mike | i wish i had an arm based desktop |
| 19:55:07 | kergoth | im gonna pick up a couple tuxscreens |
| 19:55:08 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:55:18 | tux_mike | hrm... how much are those? |
| 19:55:19 | kergoth | run opie on them |
| 19:55:22 | kergoth | hundred bucks |
| 19:55:36 | tux_mike | daaa-oum. |
| 19:55:43 | Complx | question |
| 19:55:54 | tux_mike | answer |
| 19:55:59 | Complx | how can I exit the terminal when it says "there are stopped jobs" |
| 19:56:04 | Complx | how can I end those? |
| 19:56:10 | Rince | "fg" for foreground |
| 19:56:14 | Rince | and then quit them |
| 19:56:17 | Complx | ooooh |
| 19:56:18 | tux_mike | jobs, then fg each and exit |
| 19:56:45 | kergoth | does a fresh build of oz3 to confirm sanity |
| 19:56:48 | benmeyer | How do you tell if there is a cf or sd card in the slots? |
| 19:57:05 | kergoth | benmeyer: pcmcia-cs handles the cf |
| 19:57:10 | kergoth | benmeyer: i know absolutely nothing about sd |
| 19:57:15 | kergoth | benmeyer: as i dont have a sd card yet |
| 19:57:15 | Complx | change to /mnt/card and see if you can ls |
| 19:57:16 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:57:32 | Complx | or /mnt/cf cf for compact flash and card for SD |
| 19:57:35 | ljp-- | ben: look :D |
| 19:57:43 | kergoth | lol |
| 19:58:15 | benmeyer | Yah, wanted to be able to disable, enable an option depending on the if it would be there or not |
| 19:58:26 | ljp-- | programmatically: look at storage.h |
| 19:58:30 | benmeyer | ok |
| 19:58:33 | ljp-- | I think |
| 19:58:49 | kergoth | how does the Z handle sd? |
| 19:58:51 | tux_mike | kergoth: did you ever figure out the konsole issue? |
| 19:58:53 | kergoth | i mean i know the module is loaded.. |
| 19:58:54 | ljp-- | or look at sdmon |
| 19:59:01 | kergoth | tux_mike: no |
| 19:59:06 | kergoth | tux_mike: it gives me a white box instead of a shell |
| 19:59:07 | kergoth | tux_mike: hehe |
| 19:59:18 | tux_mike | crap on a stick |
| 19:59:26 | kergoth | tux_mike, ljp--: when i try to start a second session, with the first one a white box.. embeddedkonsole immediately exists |
| 19:59:30 | kergoth | s/exists/exits/ |
| 19:59:31 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:00:01 | kergoth | yeah I need to fix the /home extraction stuff, then embeddedkonsole functionality.. then I send out a call for testers |
| 20:00:35 | kergoth | then i work towards the release, and can get back to some opie coding |
| 20:00:53 | kergoth | I'm so anxious to get oz3 released.. then i'll have a useful Z again and can focus away from this crosscompilation/buildsystem bullshit and get coding |
| 20:00:54 | kergoth | you know? |
| 20:00:54 | kergoth | ugh |
| 20:01:15 | ljp-- | kergoth: do yu get a prompt at all? |
| 20:01:28 | kergoth | ljp--: empty white box, cursor. no prompt. nothing |
| 20:01:39 | ljp-- | hmmpft |
| 20:01:47 | kergoth | ljp--: i havent even had time to try to debug it at this point |
| 20:01:59 | kergoth | damn real work interfering |
| 20:02:01 | kergoth | !! |
| 20:02:25 | tux_mike | ah, just tell a few customers... i'm sorry we can't help you now. why don't you go fsck yourself :) |
| 20:02:36 | kergoth | ah ive felt like doing that SO many times |
| 20:02:40 | ljp-- | as soon as I get a fix in mediaplayer, I can start helping you.. Ihave an extra, spare Z for testing roms and such |
| 20:02:43 | kergoth | I love the apathy demotivator from thinkgeek |
| 20:02:48 | Complx | ipkg says something went wrong wen installing tkc jabber... <to sd> |
| 20:03:02 | tux_mike | i almost did several times when i did tech support. tech support sucks so much ass |
| 20:03:05 | kergoth | "Maybe if we leave the customers alone, they'll stop bugging us." - picture of a dusty cobwebby phone |
| 20:04:01 | kergoth | I need a job in system administration or coding (kernel or user space.. perl, php, shell, c, c++, anything.) |
| 20:04:05 | kergoth | too bad the market sucks ass atm |
| 20:04:10 | bewmIES | amen |
| 20:04:16 | bewmIES | I'm looking for a new job too. |
| 20:05:03 | kergoth | hmm I should get a degree perhaps |
| 20:05:04 | kergoth | heheh |
| 20:05:05 | tux_mike | maybe i should start up tuxnami... i figure if i code a good amout each day, i'll have a viable product in 6 months. |
| 20:05:07 | kergoth | mutters |
| 20:05:19 | tux_mike | damn zaurus getting in my way! |
| 20:05:24 | ljp-- | Opie, LLC |
| 20:05:59 | kergoth | heheh |
| 20:06:08 | kergoth | just convince tt to hire us |
| 20:06:12 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:06:28 | ljp-- | heheh ya.. ok.. |
| 20:07:02 | ljp-- | my only real contact at TT is in marketing... |
| 20:07:09 | kergoth | mumbles when hell freezes over perhaps.. under his breath |
| 20:08:20 | ljp-- | hoooya! mediaplayer can now remember where in the playlist you were last.. |
| 20:08:42 | kergoth | ljp--: can i have your job? i want time to code |
| 20:08:44 | kergoth | ljp--: :-P |
| 20:09:16 | ljp-- | I'm so frickin in debt it aint funny.. and getting broker.. |
| 20:09:27 | ljp-- | I need a real job |
| 20:09:32 | kergoth | ack that sucks |
| 20:09:50 | kergoth | i owe about 7 grand on credit cards, and just bought a townhouse |
| 20:09:58 | ljp-- | hehe |
| 20:10:25 | kergoth | many people felt inclined to welcome me to the state of eternal debt. first place i'll own |
| 20:10:28 | kergoth | heheh |
| 20:10:51 | ljp-- | I owe a big chunk to my attorney for 4 years of constant work.. and more to come, unfortunatly |
| 20:11:00 | kergoth | shit.. |
| 20:12:23 | warmi | well, that's not bad ... I on the other hand have a wife that is not working ... |
| 20:12:34 | ljp-- | heh |
| 20:13:09 | tux_mike | makes my community college look like nothing :) |
| 20:13:23 | tux_mike | and the ten grand i owe to my dad for my car |
| 20:13:29 | kergoth | 10k? ouch |
| 20:13:36 | kergoth | i went to college for 1 year |
| 20:13:38 | kergoth | thats it |
| 20:13:38 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:13:57 | finkployd | I owe $3k on credit cards and $17k on a car |
| 20:14:04 | finkployd | and $5k for college loan |
| 20:14:15 | ljp-- | my cars paid for :) |
| 20:14:24 | kergoth | 7k credit cards, 4k car .. here. and the townhouse i just bought of course |
| 20:14:26 | kergoth | isnt life fun |
| 20:14:27 | tux_mike | kergoth: well, he paid it off halfway through so i didn't have to make as many payments through college. the car (which i bought when i was working full time) was 20k |
| 20:14:35 | kergoth | tux_mike: ah... cool cool |
| 20:15:04 | ljp-- | personally, I'd rather work for Sharp than TT.. Sharp has more money... :) |
| 20:15:33 | tux_mike | i love my car |
| 20:15:38 | kergoth | ljp--: point taken |
| 20:15:42 | tux_mike | i want to work for lineo!!! |
| 20:15:45 | tux_mike | heheh |
| 20:15:45 | kergoth | lol |
| 20:15:54 | kergoth | tux_mike: shhhh thats just mean :-P |
| 20:16:06 | tux_mike | i know, but it had to be said :) |
| 20:16:09 | kergoth | course |
| 20:16:23 | ljp-- | where's Riker been? |
| 20:16:25 | kergoth | i need to write /etc/init.d/extractfs to extract the home, var, and dev tars |
| 20:16:29 | tux_mike | i wish i could get streaming audio on my Z... do you think mpg321 will work? |
| 20:16:29 | Complx | huh? |
| 20:16:30 | kergoth | ljp--: he's been around |
| 20:16:41 | Complx | how the hell do I send an icq message to someone through tkcjabber? |
| 20:16:43 | Complx | hehe |
| 20:17:01 | Complx | i got him added, not how do I open a message dialog? |
| 20:17:03 | finkployd | Complx: You have to use a jabber server that supports the icq transport |
| 20:17:03 | tux_mike | kergoth: for dev, don't tar it, just call mknod |
| 20:17:10 | Complx | uh.... |
| 20:17:16 | Complx | name one? |
| 20:17:19 | kergoth | tux_mike: still think dev should be on the rootfs? |
| 20:17:26 | Complx | nm |
| 20:17:28 | kergoth | hmm |
| 20:17:29 | tux_mike | kergoth: honestly, yah |
| 20:17:32 | Complx | click the stupid speaker icon |
| 20:17:35 | finkployd | Personally, as much as I like tckJabber, jabber transports are not very good, and I would prefer to have native clients for other protocols |
| 20:17:39 | kergoth | tux_mike: well shit, make me do more work then why dont you |
| 20:17:41 | kergoth | tux_mike: heheh |
| 20:17:41 | tux_mike | just dont over do it on nodes |
| 20:17:46 | Complx | lol] |
| 20:18:05 | bewmIES | Yeah, I kinda wondered why Sharp mounted /dev seperately |
| 20:18:09 | bewmIES | Anybody know the rationale? |
| 20:18:46 | Neo|Work | finkployd: really? it usually worked pretty darn good for me |
| 20:18:47 | kergoth | no idea.. var and tmp should be, as we can lose that data on umount.. no worries |
| 20:18:49 | tux_mike | i wouldn't see using a lot of different /dev nodes, we only need hda* mmcd* dsp* a few ttys ttyS0 ttyS1 and a few others |
| 20:19:11 | ljp-- | bewm: cause they're crazy Japanese?? |
| 20:19:12 | tux_mike | would say use devfs, but devfsd sucks |
| 20:19:14 | finkployd | Neo|Work: AOL transport does not support usernames with spaces in them, that kills quite a few of my contacts |
| 20:19:17 | kergoth | tux_mike: yeah precisely |
| 20:19:26 | bewmIES | heh |
| 20:19:27 | Neo|Work | finkployd: it's open source. fix it. :) |
| 20:19:38 | bewmIES | That's why theirs has a camera and ours doesn't? :) |
| 20:19:52 | bewmIES | tkcJabber is open source? |
| 20:19:55 | bewmIES | Where can I get it? :) |
| 20:19:59 | tux_mike | anyone try compiling mpg321 for arm? |
| 20:20:09 | Neo|Work | tux_mike: probably not a good idea |
| 20:20:17 | Neo|Work | assuming you mean mpg123. :P |
| 20:20:24 | tux_mike | 321 |
| 20:20:27 | Neo|Work | It most likely uses a floating point decoder |
| 20:20:36 | Neo|Work | oh, so what is mpg321? |
| 20:20:39 | BigBoss | complx: how you doing with the the software? |
| 20:20:41 | tux_mike | hrm... i'll look at it |
| 20:20:45 | bewmIES | The non-free one that mpg123 is based on |
| 20:20:50 | Neo|Work | oh |
| 20:20:56 | Complx | big, getting the hang of it slowly :> |
| 20:21:00 | tux_mike | i thought 321 was the free one... |
| 20:21:06 | Neo|Work | well, how about madplay/libmad? Isn't that a fast fixed point decoder? |
| 20:21:07 | Complx | the Japbber client wouldnt install onto my SD card |
| 20:21:11 | bewmIES | it is, I had it backwards |
| 20:21:11 | Complx | any idea why? |
| 20:21:15 | Complx | pleenty of room on it |
| 20:21:26 | bewmIES | 321 == free, 123 == non-free |
| 20:21:27 | Neo|Work | Complx: enough room in the internal storage? |
| 20:21:44 | Complx | yeah neo,. I ended up putting it on the ram, but I wanted everything on SD instead |
| 20:21:56 | Neo|Work | right |
| 20:21:58 | Neo|Work | of course |
| 20:22:01 | Complx | everything else went SD fine. <besides the libs> |
| 20:22:07 | kergoth | how does qinstall install items onto sd? does it symlink the files back to /opt/QtPalmtop? |
| 20:22:14 | Neo|Work | however it tends to be impossible to see what the heck the reason is |
| 20:22:14 | kergoth | never tried it |
| 20:22:19 | Neo|Work | since the pkg tool doesn't say |
| 20:22:20 | Complx | not really sure |
| 20:22:24 | kergoth | qinstall/qipkg suck |
| 20:22:33 | Neo|Work | try starting qinstall from the konsole and looking in the konsole for stdout/stderr messages |
| 20:22:41 | Neo|Work | hmm. |
| 20:22:44 | BigBoss | complx: the lib can't go to SD |
| 20:22:45 | Complx | yeah? |
| 20:22:46 | Neo|Work | mpg321 rpm depends on libmad |
| 20:23:02 | Neo|Work | BigBoss: there is no reason why that shouldn't work |
| 20:23:09 | Complx | no no big, I put the lib on ram, per instructions, but the Jabber client wouldnt go to SD. |
| 20:23:49 | Neo|Work | mpg321 is a clone of mpg123, not a derivate of any way |
| 20:23:52 | tux_mike | great. sf.net isn't responding |
| 20:24:01 | Neo|Work | and it uses libmad |
| 20:24:50 | Neo|Work | so theoretically, it should work perfectly fine on the Zaurus |
| 20:25:13 | BigBoss | I got another guy with the same trouble |
| 20:25:15 | Complx | whoa |
| 20:25:17 | Complx | crashed the Z |
| 20:25:29 | tux_mike | from libmad site: 100% fixed-point (integer) computation |
| 20:25:43 | Neo|Work | right |
| 20:25:50 | BigBoss | did you try installing it to ram? |
| 20:25:52 | JasonNJ | anyone able to succesfully install qtopia desktop yet for linux |
| 20:25:53 | Complx | out of memory erro. wtf |
| 20:25:56 | Complx | its looping... |
| 20:26:03 | tux_mike | so, mpg321 will be integer, unless they do something dumb |
| 20:26:09 | JasonNJ | some weird issues with it |
| 20:26:36 | Neo|Work | tux_mike: right, as I said... :P |
| 20:26:39 | Complx | lol |
| 20:26:49 | tux_mike | i musta missed it :P |
| 20:26:52 | Neo|Work | JasonNJ: "install" by doing softlinks and setting LD_LIBRARY_PATH yes |
| 20:26:57 | Complx | if you could see my tkc tab in my Z, you would think my zaurus were very sick |
| 20:27:00 | Neo|Work | never got it to sync or anything though |
| 20:27:08 | Neo|Work | JasonNJ: Make TT release it as open source! |
| 20:27:37 | Complx | lockup |
| 20:27:45 | Neo|Work | BigBoss: why doesn't it work to install the lib etc to SD? I mean, there is no reason it shouldn't work due to the symlink heaven |
| 20:27:50 | ljp-- | jasonNJ: yes. I have it working on three linux boxes |
| 20:28:03 | Neo|Work | for example libSDL installs and works perfectly on SD etc |
| 20:28:29 | kergoth | ljp--: qipkg doesnt do install to sd/cf right? |
| 20:28:56 | BigBoss | I don't know why it won't install to CF actually |
| 20:29:03 | BigBoss | never tried to figure it out |
| 20:29:25 | ljp-- | I traced it to an error from the system() call it does |
| 20:30:12 | Neo|Work | BigBoss: do as I said, just start qinstall from the konsole and check the stdout/err output |
| 20:30:22 | Neo|Work | one failure I had was due to the packagename including a _ for example |
| 20:30:24 | Neo|Work | dumb stuff |
| 20:30:26 | tux_mike | JasonNJ: i have qtopiadesktop, but i had to get it working in a funky way |
| 20:32:22 | Hellaenergy | Linux Linux |
| 20:32:33 | tux_mike | NeoTron: have you ever played with libmad? |
| 20:32:39 | Neo|Work | nope |
| 20:33:40 | Gepeto | KDE3 been compiling for 2 hours... |
| 20:33:50 | Hellaenergy | what proccessor? |
| 20:33:55 | Gepeto | P4 1.5 |
| 20:34:02 | Hellaenergy | Daaaaaaaaaaaaaammmmmmmmmmmnnnnnnnnnnn! |
| 20:34:11 | Gepeto | already had Qt3 compiled |
| 20:35:40 | tux_mike | oops. i need to specify to use arm asm |
| 20:36:42 | Hellaenergy | Man the busy box mailing list gets spammed way too much |
| 20:36:48 | Hellaenergy | unsubscribes |
| 20:37:05 | tux_mike | Gepeto: are you compiling for P4? |
| 20:37:27 | tux_mike | spam spam spammity spam |
| 20:37:30 | Gepeto | tux_mike: yeah |
| 20:37:45 | tux_mike | cool. you'll see one hellova speed increase |
| 20:38:27 | kergoth | hmmmm |
| 20:38:28 | Gepeto | Nah |
| 20:38:33 | Gepeto | since I never ran KDE in the last years :) |
| 20:38:38 | Gepeto | I wont notice a difference hehe |
| 20:38:39 | kergoth | anyone have opinions on how to best handle alternate install paths? |
| 20:38:45 | kergoth | ipkg supports installing into /mnt/cf and /mnt/card |
| 20:38:51 | tux_mike | well, it'll be there vs an i386 compile |
| 20:38:56 | kergoth | but it does nothing from there |
| 20:39:35 | kergoth | so I'm debating how to handle it.. through symlinking every file/dir into the rootfs perhaps.. or registering bin and lib and etc and the like into the debian/familiar alternatives system for later parsing.. |
| 20:39:36 | kergoth | hmm |
| 20:40:24 | tux_mike | kergoth: i dunno. i don't know much about ipk. |
| 20:40:30 | kergoth | theres nothign to know about ipk |
| 20:40:39 | kergoth | its like.. redhat.. say rpm could install into a place other than / |
| 20:40:39 | Gepeto | tux_mike: I only want konq but I'm building the whole thing to know how far KDE has gone |
| 20:40:46 | Gepeto | I also want to see the liquid theme live :) |
| 20:40:50 | whardier | you are all sexy little beasts you know that! |
| 20:40:57 | tux_mike | liquid good |
| 20:41:07 | Gepeto | is it fast? |
| 20:41:26 | tux_mike | pretty fast |
| 20:41:28 | Gepeto | cool |
| 20:41:34 | tux_mike | grrr!! |
| 20:41:37 | Gepeto | why oh why can't I find a good GTK theme |
| 20:41:50 | tux_mike | why is this pasing -m486 to my arm-linux-gcc |
| 20:42:05 | Gepeto | hehehe |
| 20:42:37 | tux_mike | you can't compile for i486 with an arm toolchain stupid >< |
| 20:43:32 | ljp-- | really!? why not? |
| 20:43:37 | kergoth | damnit |
| 20:43:41 | kergoth | i need opinions people |
| 20:43:43 | kergoth | !! |
| 20:43:46 | tux_mike | becaue i said so! |
| 20:43:46 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:43:52 | whardier | on what |
| 20:43:52 | ljp-- | ok.. |
| 20:44:18 | ljp-- | opinion: cow tipping is fun |
| 20:44:23 | kergoth | whardier: on how to handle alternate install paths |
| 20:44:31 | kergoth | ipkg supports installing an ipk to a place other than / |
| 20:44:44 | kergoth | but bin paths, lib paths, etc at those alternate paths need to be hadnled by the distro |
| 20:44:45 | tux_mike | opinion: pepsi is much better than coke, unless you have some rum. then coke's better |
| 20:45:12 | whardier | kergoth .. hmm.. err.. maybe we should install chroot |
| 20:45:18 | kergoth | and .. for example .. /mnt/cf/opt/QtPalmtop/apps/Applications/blah.desktop needs to be seen in the launcher |
| 20:45:24 | kergoth | whardier: wont help |
| 20:45:32 | whardier | what about hella cool linking |
| 20:45:40 | kergoth | whardier: thats one possibility i'm considering.. |
| 20:45:46 | whardier | a link engine that is programmed to parse out stuff that certain things need |
| 20:45:50 | Neo|Work | BigBoss: uhum. I just installed the "Thekompany" ipk to SD... |
| 20:46:13 | kergoth | whardier: i was thinking a wrapper for ipkg that creates and removes links in response to ipkg commands. or something |
| 20:46:25 | whardier | thats coo |
| 20:46:47 | kergoth | whardier: or registering different paths into the alternatives system.. e.g. update-alternatives --display bin shows /bin, /sbin, /usr/bin, /usr/sbin, /mnt/cf/bin, /mnt/cf/opt/QtPalmtop/bin, etc |
| 20:46:52 | Neo|Work | BigBoss: so apparently it does work to install it to SD. :-P |
| 20:46:54 | kergoth | hmmm |
| 20:47:19 | ljp-- | what if a package has a postrm script that creates links? will that interefer? |
| 20:47:28 | BigBoss | NEO: everyone said it didn't work then they tried it |
| 20:47:32 | kergoth | ljp--: good point. it most likely would |
| 20:47:33 | BigBoss | did you do anything special? |
| 20:47:35 | kergoth | ljp--: hmm |
| 20:47:50 | kergoth | ljp--: i'd need the wrapper to pick up what files get installed in some way |
| 20:48:03 | ljp-- | I'm doing that on those few replacement apps on myzaurus |
| 20:48:17 | kergoth | well those wont be happy on the openzaurus rom anyway |
| 20:48:20 | kergoth | so those dont count |
| 20:48:21 | kergoth | :-P |
| 20:48:25 | ljp-- | hehhehe ok |
| 20:48:39 | kergoth | hmmm |
| 20:48:42 | kergoth | hmm |
| 20:48:49 | ljp-- | but you know somebosy will try to install one of them on OZ |
| 20:49:10 | kergoth | could use rsync or find to check what files exist in /mnt/cf/ on install of each package..and confirm the existance of the appropriate symlinks.. |
| 20:49:11 | kergoth | hmm |
| 20:49:19 | kergoth | ljp--: well i dont care if it breaks for them. |
| 20:49:21 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:49:23 | kergoth | damn stupid people |
| 20:49:56 | tux_mike | shit. it compiled as static |
| 20:50:05 | ljp-- | i can tell you work in tech support :) |
| 20:50:22 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:50:23 | Neo|Work | BigBoss: perhaps they didn't have enough space? |
| 20:50:46 | Neo|Work | BigBoss: the most common error, especially for 1.13/1.11 users is that there isn't enough space or what not |
| 20:50:55 | Neo|Work | but I didn't do anything speciall |
| 20:51:02 | BigBoss | I'm getting that myself at the moment. |
| 20:51:12 | BigBoss | I've got 2 people now that cant install jabber to SD for some reason |
| 20:51:52 | benmeyer | How does one register a file format?? |
| 20:52:04 | Neo|Work | I'm pretty sure it's either internal storage free space issues or some weird bug in ipkg |
| 20:52:12 | kergoth | benmeyer: by setting hte mime type field in their .desktop file |
| 20:52:14 | ljp-- | in your apps .desktop file |
| 20:52:18 | Neo|Work | especially so if it's only _some_ ppl that can't install |
| 20:53:12 | JasonNJ | anyone have luck getting the apache ipk to run? |
| 20:53:27 | JasonNJ | seems like it doesnt set up the startup scripts in /etc/init.d |
| 20:53:36 | kergoth | sticks to boa |
| 20:53:56 | kergoth | hey ljp-- |
| 20:54:10 | kergoth | apparently ipkg sets an env variable to tell you where you are in relation to everyone else |
| 20:54:17 | kergoth | with regard to where they're installing you |
| 20:54:25 | kergoth | /.. or elsewhere |
| 20:54:30 | JasonNJ | kergoth : where's mny OZ3 |
| 20:54:30 | ljp-- | hmmm |
| 20:54:35 | kergoth | so you are supposed to base your links and path stuff off of that variable |
| 20:54:43 | kergoth | otherwise it wont handle alternate roots properly |
| 20:54:43 | JasonNJ | I figuyre if I ask you 10 times a day, on the 10th time I might actually get it |
| 20:54:46 | JasonNJ | :) |
| 20:54:58 | benmeyer | Where are the desktop files stored in opie? (Kergoth) |
| 20:55:03 | ljp-- | kergoth: really? |
| 20:55:05 | kergoth | JasonNJ: you can have it if you want it.. but /home doesnt exist, and cf and sd on /home dont work.. and installing packages to cf or sd doesnt work |
| 20:55:07 | kergoth | ljp--: yep |
| 20:55:16 | kergoth | ljp--: according to a7r anyway. |
| 20:55:25 | ljp-- | ben: same place as qtopia |
| 20:55:31 | benmeyer | where is taht? |
| 20:56:03 | ljp-- | ben: /opt/QtPalmtop/apps/Applications Games ... |
| 20:56:06 | JasonNJ | tux_mike: I made that apache change you wanted |
| 20:56:35 | tux_mike | JasonNJ: cool |
| 20:56:36 | ljp-- | kergoth: hmmm.. I wonder what that variable is then... |
| 20:56:38 | Neo|Work | ljp--: actually, Qtopia on the Zaurus uses /home/QtPalmtop/... |
| 20:56:44 | kergoth | ljp--: so anyway, if your packages dont work in alternate roots, their broken |
| 20:56:46 | ljp-- | same thing |
| 20:56:48 | kergoth | ljp--: i'm researching that now |
| 20:56:56 | | ljp has karma of -132 |
| 20:56:56 | Neo|Work | ibot karma ljp |
| 20:57:01 | Neo|Work | I find that so amusing. :) |
| 20:57:03 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:57:04 | ljp-- | hehe |
| 20:57:17 | ljp-- | I'm the king of bad karma |
| 20:57:30 | tux_mike | karma tux_mike |
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| 20:57:41 | tux_mike | woo! |
| 20:57:44 | Neo|Work | "you're a bad bad man" to quote the AT&T digital cable commercial |
| 20:58:31 | kergoth | grumbles |
| 20:58:49 | tux_mike | grumbles too |
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| 21:00:04 | tux_mike | makes low grumbling utterances |
| 21:00:07 | ljp | oh well |
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| 21:02:16 | Twiun | G'night peeps |
| 21:02:16 | whardier | night! |
| 21:02:20 | Twiun | waves |
| 21:03:47 | Gepeto | hey quick stupid question of the day |
| 21:04:00 | Gepeto | when I'll get my zaurus, will I be able to use my IrDA modem/phone ? |
| 21:04:04 | scanline | is back (gone 01:19:40) |
| 21:04:32 | tux_mike | Gepeto: if you can figure it out ;) |
| 21:04:36 | ljp | two bugs down... |
| 21:04:46 | | ibot has karma of 8 |
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| 21:04:58 | tux_mike | ljp: i made onther build of addressbook |
| 21:05:00 | Gepeto | tux_mike: but is there software to do it? |
| 21:05:07 | tux_mike | not in genereal release though |
| 21:05:33 | tux_mike | the source is in cvs |
| 21:05:41 | tux_mike | i made it resize the rows |
| 21:05:43 | JasonNJ | bitchin, apache works |
| 21:05:52 | whardier | it does that |
| 21:06:50 | treke | yummm apache. now I just need php4 and mysql :) |
| 21:07:01 | ljp | tux: ok |
| 21:07:10 | killefiz | treke: doesn't the apache ipk contain php? |
| 21:07:55 | tux_mike | ljp: it makes a little more sense to me if you resize fonts to resize the rows ;) |
| 21:08:18 | ljp | hmmm .. makes sense |
| 21:08:21 | tux_mike | why won't this build shared libraries! >< |
| 21:08:51 | treke | killefiz : Havent looked |
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| 21:09:08 | Neo|Work | :) |
| 21:09:11 | kergoth | hah |
| 21:09:15 | Neo|Work | take that karma whores! |
| 21:09:15 | kergoth | cheater |
| 21:09:43 | killefiz | treke: look at the annoncement ... IIRC it comes with php4.0.5 |
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| 21:09:51 | treke | killefiz : very very cool |
| 21:10:13 | killefiz | there you go: http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=113 |
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| 21:11:53 | | kergoth: excuse me? |
| 21:11:53 | kergoth | ibot shoot me |
| 21:11:56 | Gepeto | this isn't slashdot, I don't ENJOY loosing karma! |
| 21:12:32 | | OK, kergoth. |
| 21:12:32 | kergoth | ibot: shoot me is <reply> bang! |
| 21:12:37 | | kergoth: sorry... |
| 21:12:37 | kergoth | ibot shoot me |
| 21:12:44 | kergoth | stupid bot |
| 21:12:54 | | i already had it that way, kergoth. |
| 21:12:54 | kergoth | ibot shoot me is <reply> bang! |
| 21:13:02 | | wish i knew, kergoth |
| 21:13:02 | kergoth | ibot shoot me? |
| 21:13:06 | kergoth | mutters |
| 21:13:07 | Neo|Work | sugar give kergoth grenade |
| 21:13:07 | Sugar | goes into the kitchen, takes out a grenade and hands it to kergoth. |
| 21:13:16 | kergoth | pulls the pin |
| 21:13:43 | Neo|Work | sugar, give kergoth a helmet |
| 21:13:46 | Neo|Work | doh |
| 21:14:19 | kergoth | arg wtf. if i set my /tmp and /var to auto |
| 21:14:25 | kergoth | in the options.. |
| 21:14:28 | kergoth | they get mounted twice |
| 21:14:29 | kergoth | wtf? |
| 21:19:52 | NetAmp | Any Linux die-hards in here? ;-) |
| 21:20:17 | killefiz | NetAmp: You want promise raid support coded? ;) |
| 21:20:19 | Gepeto | is a sucker@linux |
| 21:20:21 | Gepeto | (but runs it) |
| 21:20:24 | NetAmp | killefiz: yep... |
| 21:20:26 | NetAmp | haha |
| 21:20:51 | Gepeto | stupid KDE3...compile! |
| 21:20:56 | NetAmp | nah actually I was wondering... I just got a PuTTY session timeout and there was this bash process just "floating" around still |
| 21:20:58 | Gepeto | runs away for a second |
| 21:21:02 | Com[Plex] | why does the tkc player take so klong to load? |
| 21:21:16 | NetAmp | so I used `kill -9` but wouldn't there be a way to get the process back? |
| 21:21:18 | Hellaenergy | it isn't finnished eating |
| 21:21:26 | NetAmp | so it can be shut down 'normally'... |
| 21:21:48 | Hellaenergy | man kill |
| 21:22:06 | NetAmp | it feels kinda wrong to just kill the shell ;) |
| 21:22:07 | NetAmp | heh |
| 21:22:14 | Com[Plex] | msmax - you around? |
| 21:22:37 | Neo|Work | Com[Plex]: locating documents perhaps? |
| 21:23:11 | Com[Plex] | ahh wtf, my cf card got corrupted... |
| 21:24:10 | benmeyer | What is a good example of a document centric application in opie? |
| 21:24:37 | kergoth | textedit |
| 21:24:37 | BigBoss | media player? |
| 21:24:38 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:24:48 | BigBoss | that's a good example of a bad application :) |
| 21:24:58 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:25:00 | kergoth | argh |
| 21:25:09 | kergoth | if i set my /tmp ramfs and noauto, it wont mount it |
| 21:25:15 | kergoth | if i set to auto, it mounts it twice |
| 21:25:17 | kergoth | grr! |
| 21:25:36 | NetAmp | all or nothin' |
| 21:25:47 | NetAmp | (are those darn gnomes at it again?) |
| 21:26:03 | BigBoss | o |
| 21:26:21 | tux_mike | WTF?! |
| 21:27:40 | Com[Plex] | bigboss |
| 21:27:44 | Com[Plex] | why does the tkc player take so klong to load? |
| 21:31:11 | JasonNJ | man apache is a bitch to configure on the Z |
| 21:31:22 | catalin | complex: it doesn't. it's the little gremlins inside your Z the slow it down |
| 21:31:31 | catalin | s/the/that |
| 21:32:05 | Com[Plex] | wheres that site to get all the qpe installer files, |
| 21:32:09 | Com[Plex] | ie, kpacman |
| 21:33:44 | Com[Plex] | zaurus.sourceforge.net ? |
| 21:34:05 | Hellaenergy | Don't go over to the OpenBSD channel they are assholes |
| 21:34:13 | Hellaenergy | snobbs |
| 21:34:59 | Com[Plex] | yeah, thats typicalin the linux community. everyoens gota be a snob about there choice of OS |
| 21:35:18 | Hellaenergy | Linux community rocks |
| 21:35:23 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 21:35:25 | Hellaenergy | and so does the BSD comm |
| 21:35:33 | Hellaenergy | That channel just sux |
| 21:35:42 | Hellaenergy | Fucking Bitches |
| 21:35:45 | Hellaenergy | ooops |
| 21:37:02 | Com[Plex] | BigBoss: the player takes 30 seconds to load on my zaurus. |
| 21:37:08 | Com[Plex] | is this normal? |
| 21:37:13 | Com[Plex] | I got nothing else running |
| 21:37:33 | Hellaenergy | Select the icon and choose the fastload :) |
| 21:37:46 | Hellaenergy | hold it down for a sec |
| 21:37:54 | Com[Plex] | not available |
| 21:38:05 | whardier | so am I making a 3d pingizauru? |
| 21:39:03 | Neo|Work | Hellaenergy: it has to be explictedly enabled |
| 21:39:04 | benmeyer | where is qtopia-addmimetype? |
| 21:39:14 | Neo|Work | Com[Plex]: lots of media documents you have? |
| 21:39:43 | catalin | whardier: can you make a small animated pingizauru ? |
| 21:40:52 | Com[Plex] | diring that time, None. I took the card otu in hopes it would speed things up |
| 21:42:00 | Com[Plex] | wtf |
| 21:42:05 | Com[Plex] | this fucking thing wont even PLAY |
| 21:42:07 | Neo|Work | so it takes 30 seconds to start without any music? how about other documents? Does mediaplayer / textedit start slowly too? |
| 21:42:13 | Com[Plex] | BigBoss: what am I doing wrong? |
| 21:42:15 | benmeyer | how do you register mimetypes? |
| 21:42:21 | Neo|Work | Com[Plex]: heh. unhappy customer? :P |
| 21:42:42 | catalin | ben: edit $QPEDIR/etc/mime.types |
| 21:42:51 | Neo|Work | related to mime-types - how do I from an application start the default browser pointing to some URL? :P |
| 21:42:54 | Com[Plex] | neo, obviously im just a confused customer |
| 21:43:16 | Com[Plex] | and since theres no fuckign HELP on here |
| 21:43:28 | BigBoss | for player? |
| 21:43:30 | BigBoss | there is help |
| 21:43:40 | BigBoss | i just walked in - what is going on? |
| 21:43:42 | Com[Plex] | where? |
| 21:43:50 | Com[Plex] | looks |
| 21:43:55 | JasonNJ | BigBoss: player loads kinda slow |
| 21:44:09 | Com[Plex] | BigBoss: I was having some trouble getting it to play mp3s |
| 21:44:16 | Gepeto | BigBoss: if I'm awesomely lucky I might get my zaurus tomorrow or friday :D |
| 21:44:34 | BigBoss | complex: trouble in what way? |
| 21:44:50 | whardier | hehe |
| 21:44:55 | whardier | pingizauru will soon be 3d |
| 21:45:06 | ljp-- | 3d? |
| 21:45:07 | Com[Plex] | well, in that, when I put a list of mp3s to play, it just skims through them as if they were corupted |
| 21:45:24 | Com[Plex] | so I reformatted the CF card, and copied new ones over. |
| 21:45:26 | Com[Plex] | same thing |
| 21:45:36 | BigBoss | skims through them in what way? |
| 21:45:37 | Com[Plex] | also, it takes 30 seconds to load |
| 21:45:37 | ljp-- | someone will have to update the tshirts then! |
| 21:46:04 | Com[Plex] | as in, I press play, and it starts to attempt tp play, and then it very quickly scrolls down through the list of songs to the end |
| 21:46:08 | BigBoss | it has to scan all your media |
| 21:46:13 | Com[Plex] | no music |
| 21:46:36 | BigBoss | hmm - let me check |
| 21:47:03 | Com[Plex] | you wanna vnc? |
| 21:47:13 | ljp-- | sounds like what xxms does when there's no /dev/dsp |
| 21:47:26 | BigBoss | i'm gonna install on a different Z here and try the files I have |
| 21:47:27 | Gepeto | yeah |
| 21:47:32 | Gepeto | that's the thought I had too, ljp-- |
| 21:47:41 | Com[Plex] | shit, cant vnc, my mp3s are on my cf card. ehhe |
| 21:47:43 | ljp-- | that drives me crazy |
| 21:47:48 | Gepeto | ljp--: me too |
| 21:47:51 | Com[Plex] | im gonna uninstall the package and try reinstalling it |
| 21:47:55 | Gepeto | ljp--: there is worse though |
| 21:48:11 | Gepeto | ever open those pages with stupid Flash while playing an mp3, and since your soundcard driver sucks, you have to stop the mp3? |
| 21:48:24 | Neo|Work | Com[Plex]: sure you have no other app that sucks hold of the sound card? |
| 21:48:39 | Com[Plex] | yes |
| 21:48:46 | Com[Plex] | its stock 1.13 rom |
| 21:49:44 | BigBoss | ok, the oggs worked |
| 21:49:57 | BigBoss | I have about a 5 second delay where it shows the splash screen while scanning the media |
| 21:50:03 | Gepeto | Oggs? cool |
| 21:50:12 | Com[Plex] | k |
| 21:50:19 | Com[Plex] | im stripping my manuals off the SD card |
| 21:50:29 | Com[Plex] | there wasa ton fo files on there |
| 21:50:55 | BigBoss | my mp3's are working fine too |
| 21:51:00 | Neo|Work | the default order in the handango store kinda sucks. namely because there is no order. :P |
| 21:51:56 | BigBoss | we've been trying to figure it out too |
| 21:52:02 | BigBoss | seems to be based on the number of purchases |
| 21:52:11 | Neo|Work | I think it's based on when the app originally was added |
| 21:52:15 | BigBoss | since downloads can be higher than purchase, the download count is what is displayed |
| 21:52:43 | Neo|Work | no, but that's not it either |
| 21:52:51 | Neo|Work | and I can tell you it's not purchases |
| 21:53:01 | Neo|Work | it's like random but defined (like some sort of default database order) |
| 21:53:20 | Neo|Work | in either way it's tkc-friendly sorting to the most part. :P |
| 21:53:57 | BigBoss | it's based on purchases - really |
| 21:54:02 | bewmIES | Hmm, exactly what apps were "updated"? |
| 21:54:24 | BigBoss | jabber, ftp, editor at a minimum |
| 21:54:24 | bewmIES | They all look the same to me (1.5.0-3) |
| 21:54:34 | Neo|Work | BigBoss: it's not based on purchases. trust me |
| 21:54:35 | BigBoss | didn't change the version numbers (messed up the packagig) |
| 21:54:41 | bewmIES | Oh that's kinda lame. |
| 21:54:56 | BigBoss | neo: why are you so sure? |
| 21:54:59 | Neo|Work | Naturally, Forest Fire has not sold more copies when Strategic Assault |
| 21:55:02 | Neo|Work | it's just common sense |
| 21:55:12 | Neo|Work | and of course know it for a fact too |
| 21:55:37 | BigBoss | the rating is consistant for our apps for purchases |
| 21:55:48 | Neo|Work | well, pure randomness I'd say |
| 21:55:55 | Neo|Work | I can assure you it's not based on purchases |
| 21:56:18 | Neo|Work | especially since all free apps have no purchases and still are intermixed with free |
| 21:56:22 | Neo|Work | the order is no order |
| 21:56:42 | Neo|Work | or as I said, database order which might be arbritrary but stable defined on the key / hashing is done |
| 21:57:16 | fusion94 | bah...thats horrible hash, you need to go to amsterdam to get the good stuff :P |
| 21:57:25 | ljp-- | hehehehe |
| 21:57:27 | bewmIES | It looks like they all changed, none of the md5sums are the same. |
| 21:57:34 | BigBoss | the whole page pretty much sucks really |
| 21:57:38 | warmi | hah ... discussing why theKOmpany apps are always seem to be listed first on myzaurus.com ? |
| 21:57:49 | fusion94 | warmi: lickbacks |
| 21:57:50 | ljp-- | yep |
| 21:57:53 | fusion94 | errr |
| 21:57:56 | fusion94 | kickbacks even |
| 21:57:57 | treke | I think thats related to the checks BigBoss keeps sending them |
| 21:58:11 | fusion94 | i pray to god that BigBoss usn't licking JasonNJ |
| 21:58:12 | ljp-- | lickbacks are even better |
| 21:58:15 | fusion94 | isn't even |
| 21:58:20 | warmi | lol |
| 21:58:28 | Neo|Work | BigBoss: it does suck compared to the "normal" handango pages |
| 21:58:39 | BigBoss | I don't want to like Jasons back :) |
| 21:58:53 | BigBoss | because Sharp is forcing a design on them, it is pretty bad overall |
| 21:59:32 | Neo|Work | it doesn't even have the rating / review interface |
| 21:59:41 | Neo|Work | which leads me to wonder how the heck someone reviewed SA. :P |
| 22:00:04 | bewmIES | With a direct SQL query? :) |
| 22:00:15 | BigBoss | I think if you purchase it you can get to the rating system |
| 22:01:06 | Neo|Work | perhaps |
| 22:01:37 | benmeyer | kergoth: was the backup application os? |
| 22:01:46 | warmi | actually I find myzaurus.com reasonably well done |
| 22:02:03 | BigBoss | for software imagine it with 200 applicaitons |
| 22:02:09 | BigBoss | going page by painful page |
| 22:02:14 | BigBoss | no categories |
| 22:02:23 | warmi | BB: I assume they will somehow group it once it makes sense |
| 22:02:42 | warmi | grouping 20 apps (as it was the case couple of days ago) doesn't make sense .. |
| 22:02:46 | kergoth | benmeyer: ? |
| 22:02:57 | warmi | it makes selection of apps seem even smaller than it is |
| 22:03:15 | benmeyer | the backup/restore app |
| 22:03:26 | kergoth | benmeyer: what about it? |
| 22:03:29 | benmeyer | Did you have to re-create it? |
| 22:03:45 | kergoth | benmeyer: we dont have a backup/restore app yet.. so yes we would have to recreate. no source made avail |
| 22:04:00 | benmeyer | kergoth: I just finished one |
| 22:04:02 | BigBoss | they have two full pages now I think |
| 22:04:04 | benmeyer | only does data |
| 22:04:11 | warmi | starting third one |
| 22:04:16 | kergoth | benmeyer: ah, nice. what does it backup? Settings/*? |
| 22:04:17 | benmeyer | so the backup is 1.7K or so |
| 22:04:17 | Neo|Work | just realized that for tkc stuff the downloadnumbers actually represent sales figures |
| 22:04:23 | benmeyer | Settings and Applications |
| 22:04:27 | Gepeto | Neo|Work: yep |
| 22:04:27 | kergoth | cool |
| 22:04:33 | warmi | Neo|Work: when you submited you app did you have to indicate type like game, util etc .. / |
| 22:04:38 | benmeyer | need a little tweeking still |
| 22:04:46 | Neo|Work | warmi: yes, there is a one level categorization |
| 22:04:54 | warmi | yeah, sales are pretty good for tkc stuff |
| 22:04:55 | bewmIES | Yeah, the thing I don't like about the backup/restore on the Sharp ROM's is that it backs up everything. |
| 22:04:57 | Hellaenergy | See yall later |
| 22:05:01 | Neo|Work | <ad>go buy SA</ad> |
| 22:05:02 | bewmIES | I'd like to backup only data, no apps. |
| 22:05:05 | Neo|Work | and Eligo too of course... :P |
| 22:05:06 | warmi | then they will implement categories |
| 22:05:20 | Neo|Work | at some point |
| 22:05:25 | Neo|Work | but not necessarily for the sharp page... |
| 22:05:33 | warmi | Neo|Work: you need to wait for more "every day" users to own Zs .. |
| 22:05:42 | warmi | this is your potential audience ... not geeks |
| 22:05:49 | Neo|Work | warmi: Oh, I know. lame developer types and open source dorks. :P |
| 22:05:50 | BigBoss | oh goodie - tkcPlayer caused the 3rd page to generate |
| 22:05:55 | warmi | heheeh |
| 22:06:15 | kergoth | has been sititng on hold with a customer for 15 minutes while they run around and get their shit straight |
| 22:06:27 | warmi | this is of course assuming Z takes off .. |
| 22:06:31 | Neo|Work | right' |
| 22:06:32 | bewmIES | hands kergoth a User Friendly t-shirt |
| 22:06:37 | kergoth | hah |
| 22:06:39 | warmi | I wonder if there are any sale figures for Z so far .. |
| 22:06:45 | JasonNJ | I know the guy who does that cartoon |
| 22:06:48 | Neo|Work | I think Candy Cruncher will be popular. It's so much fun. :P |
| 22:07:07 | Neo|Work | warmi: well, 5000 developers units... :P |
| 22:07:31 | warmi | nah ... these are geeks and open source dorks (as you indicated) |
| 22:07:36 | warmi | hehe |
| 22:07:44 | warmi | + 2000 java dorks |
| 22:07:46 | benmeyer | the websites get 10K or so hits a day... (non main sites) so... |
| 22:08:00 | warmi | benmayer: which websites ? |
| 22:08:05 | warmi | myzaurus.com ? |
| 22:08:11 | benmeyer | zaurus software listing |
| 22:08:15 | benmeyer | indez |
| 22:08:18 | benmeyer | index |
| 22:08:30 | Com[ANGRY | BigBoss: tkc player still wont play my mp3s |
| 22:08:40 | Com[ANGRY | im gonna try hard formatting my CF card |
| 22:08:55 | Com[ANGRY | stock media player plays em fine |
| 22:09:00 | ljp-- | BigBoss: can kapital convert quickbooks stuff? |
| 22:10:14 | Neo|Work | warmi: exactly |
| 22:10:23 | JasonNJ | Com[ANGRY: relax |
| 22:10:33 | JasonNJ | I am having similar issues, they will work it out |
| 22:10:34 | BigBoss | ljp: no |
| 22:10:52 | Com[ANGRY | oh |
| 22:10:59 | Neo|Work | smells lacking QA. ;-) |
| 22:11:03 | Com[Plex | sorryu, thats my alternate |
| 22:11:11 | ljp-- | BigBoss: do you want it too? |
| 22:11:48 | BigBoss | ok, I just got a sample MP3 from Jason and can verify it isn't working |
| 22:11:59 | BigBoss | not sure why, all the ones we downloaded and generated all worked fine |
| 22:12:03 | Neo|Work | some mp3 works, some don't? |
| 22:12:06 | Com[Plex | strange huh? |
| 22:12:11 | BigBoss | we will dissect this one and see what is going on because it doesn't make sense |
| 22:12:11 | Com[Plex | I wonder i its the bti rate |
| 22:12:13 | Com[Plex | bit |
| 22:12:17 | JasonNJ | nah |
| 22:12:20 | JasonNJ | 128 bit |
| 22:12:27 | JasonNJ | plays fine in the builtin player |
| 22:12:31 | JasonNJ | and in windows |
| 22:12:48 | Com[Plex | yeah |
| 22:12:48 | Gepeto | WOOHOO! |
| 22:12:53 | Gepeto | got my new prescription glasses :D |
| 22:12:56 | warmi | stupid corporate proxy |
| 22:13:04 | Gepeto | loves glasses (weirdness) |
| 22:13:12 | Com[Plex | well, its my own fault I guess, I made him rush it out before it wasw ready. |
| 22:13:14 | Com[Plex | lol |
| 22:13:30 | treke | man tkc is taking a lot of shit over the mailing list |
| 22:13:45 | warmi | I hope it doesn't turn out that madlib (or libmad) has problems with some mp3s .. |
| 22:14:20 | BigBoss | treke: what are you talking about? |
| 22:14:26 | BigBoss | we aren't using libmad |
| 22:14:46 | warmi | ah ok then |
| 22:15:06 | warmi | then you can blame only yourself :-) |
| 22:15:15 | BigBoss | exactly :) |
| 22:15:23 | BigBoss | we'll get it figured out quickly |
| 22:15:48 | warmi | and Complex: true .. it is your fault for rushing BB with tkcPLayer :-) |
| 22:16:01 | warmi | remember you crying whole morning hehe |
| 22:16:11 | Com[Plex | hey, Ill take credit |
| 22:16:15 | Neo|Work | treke: what mailing list exactly? |
| 22:16:25 | Com[Plex | im not bitching, im Bug Fixing :> |
| 22:16:43 | warmi | I know ... |
| 22:16:44 | Gepeto | Com[Plex-- |
| 22:16:44 | warmi | jk |
| 22:16:50 | Gepeto | hehe |
| 22:16:50 | Com[Plex | isthere a manual for all these apps? - I dont get all the new icons |
| 22:17:01 | whardier | http://vash.umgllc.com/pingi_prelim.png |
| 22:17:12 | whardier | he is too plush to be 3d |
| 22:17:15 | BigBoss | there is help for Gallery and Player |
| 22:17:22 | BigBoss | some external doc for Kapital |
| 22:17:27 | BigBoss | and that's it for now |
| 22:17:29 | Com[Plex | k |
| 22:17:34 | kergoth | argh |
| 22:17:34 | Com[Plex | hey bb, I got an idea |
| 22:17:37 | kergoth | damn real work |
| 22:18:07 | kergoth | whardier: you need hair/fur on him |
| 22:18:11 | whardier | haha |
| 22:18:13 | whardier | fur! |
| 22:18:14 | whardier | no |
| 22:18:16 | whardier | bad kergoth |
| 22:18:21 | Com[Plex | for mthe player,. could you make a checkbox on the unit to lock they buttons on the Z? I put mine in my pocket when IM walking, and Im allwayus hitting the button to stop playback |
| 22:18:21 | ljp-- | yes! fur! |
| 22:18:22 | kergoth | bad me? |
| 22:18:34 | whardier | how am I supposed to make him furry! |
| 22:18:38 | whardier | I don't have that kind of renderer |
| 22:18:42 | kergoth | umm |
| 22:18:45 | kergoth | get that kind of renderer? |
| 22:18:46 | kergoth | :-P |
| 22:18:52 | whardier | fuck you all! |
| 22:18:52 | ljp-- | hehehe |
| 22:18:54 | BigBoss | complex: I'll see what we can do |
| 22:18:56 | Com[Plex | if I had a checkbox that I could just mark when I wanted it to ignore keypresses.. I could uncheck it to allow keys again |
| 22:19:18 | Com[Plex | coo :> |
| 22:19:44 | Com[Plex | why does the "random mode" icon look like a telephone? |
| 22:19:54 | warmi | cause it is random |
| 22:19:58 | warmi | heh |
| 22:20:07 | BigBoss | I got no idea - might make more sense larger |
| 22:20:34 | Com[Plex | hehe |
| 22:20:43 | kergoth | ARGH |
| 22:20:49 | kergoth | shoots someone |
| 22:20:49 | Com[Plex | should make it look like a bunch of question marks |
| 22:20:57 | ljp-- | ducks |
| 22:21:45 | dc_ | heh |
| 22:25:12 | warmi | Neo|Work: are you planning to port your games to PC Pocket 2002 platform ? |
| 22:25:37 | Gepeto | Woooho |
| 22:25:42 | Gepeto | got kde3 working, finished compiling |
| 22:25:48 | Gepeto | took from 2:30 to 6:30 |
| 22:25:56 | Gepeto | 4hours, without having to compile QT3 |
| 22:26:13 | Neo|Work | warmi: well, SA already is Pocket PC but I have thoughts of porting Eligo to both Palmos and pocket pc |
| 22:26:26 | Neo|Work | bug I know about 0 about PPC development. :P |
| 22:26:51 | kergoth | shit |
| 22:27:10 | kergoth | i need to add ipkg generation to my buildsystem prior to release.. otherwise you wont be able to upgrade from the feed to the next version |
| 22:27:11 | kergoth | mutters |
| 22:27:13 | bewmIES | Shit? No shit. Where see shit? |
| 22:27:15 | bewmIES | name that movie? |
| 22:27:39 | kergoth | sucks at trivia |
| 22:27:43 | dc_ | shit |
| 22:27:45 | bewmIES | heh |
| 22:27:47 | bewmIES | Short Circuit |
| 22:28:03 | warmi | Neo|Work: one word ... directX |
| 22:28:14 | Com[Plex] | lol two words, Core Dump |
| 22:28:19 | warmi | there are like 20000 books about that stuff |
| 22:28:29 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: other two words. blue screen |
| 22:28:31 | warmi | nah .. direct X is more stable than SDL on Linux |
| 22:28:35 | Com[Plex] | hjhehe |
| 22:29:18 | kergoth | arg |
| 22:29:19 | kergoth | grr |
| 22:29:21 | kergoth | goddamnit |
| 22:30:56 | dauxxx | is there a port SDL on Z ?? |
| 22:31:34 | kergoth | 1) finish home extraction 2) move dev from .tar into rootfs 3) fix ipkg generation in buildsystem 4) curse a lot 5) install a lot of shit on a oz3 rootfs and dd it off.. 6) release 7) celebrate and go back to coding |
| 22:31:46 | warmi | I think there is alpha or beta port .. ask Neo |
| 22:32:23 | dauxxx | warmi: SDL on Z ?? |
| 22:32:27 | dc__ | heh |
| 22:32:28 | roge99_Z | kerg forgot strip modules |
| 22:32:37 | kergoth | roge99_Z: :-P |
| 22:32:42 | warmi | yeah, subset of it |
| 22:32:56 | antlarr | and what about openGL ? :-) |
| 22:33:13 | dauxxx | antlarr: step by step :-) |
| 22:33:34 | antlarr | is trying to check why modplugin doesn't work for him |
| 22:33:49 | warmi | antlarr: openGL would be harder. . |
| 22:34:08 | warmi | you would have to build port anout some nice fixedpoint math library |
| 22:34:18 | kergoth | realizes that hard reset wont do a damn thing in oz3 |
| 22:34:34 | antlarr | warmi: I know :) |
| 22:34:53 | warmi | beside, software rendeding will result in 1992-93 looking games |
| 22:35:22 | warmi | basically 200 Mhz cpu cannot push many textured polygons at 16 bits per pixel |
| 22:35:27 | dauxxx | GL on Z , make this sense ?? |
| 22:36:00 | warmi | I think colorfull and fast 2d games are way to go for now |
| 22:36:15 | warmi | we have 16 bits color which is very good |
| 22:36:21 | Cam__ | anyone remember Virus / Zarch |
| 22:36:33 | warmi | you mean Amiga game virus ? |
| 22:36:34 | Cam__ | early Arm games |
| 22:36:41 | killefiz | i'd like some old style jump and run stuff like commander keen |
| 22:36:43 | Cam__ | from the Acorn Archimedes |
| 22:37:02 | Com[Plex] | what is the command line to install a ipkg to the sd card? |
| 22:37:03 | dauxxx | virus von Amiga. 3D shooter ?? great game :-) |
| 22:37:06 | kergoth | lol commander keen on the Z would rock |
| 22:37:18 | dauxxx | giana sister :-) |
| 22:37:19 | warmi | killefiz: yeah, that is very much doable .. and would look gorgous in 16 bits |
| 22:37:32 | kergoth | we still need sarien and scummvm |
| 22:37:38 | warmi | (assuming somebody came up with new graphics for it) |
| 22:37:43 | killefiz | cool ... commander keen was from id-software, right? |
| 22:37:53 | killefiz | NeoTron: Wouldn't that be a port for you? |
| 22:38:04 | warmi | yeah, it was from ID |
| 22:38:09 | treke | freesci would be nice also |
| 22:38:19 | kergoth | yeah that too |
| 22:38:22 | Cam__ | hey people, is Z stuff always found under /opt/QtPalmtop on the Z?? |
| 22:38:24 | dc__ | hey treke |
| 22:38:32 | treke | hey dc. buy a Z? |
| 22:38:40 | treke | or decide to use Qtopia? |
| 22:38:45 | dc__ | treke: noooo, no, no ;p |
| 22:38:51 | warmi | $QPEDIR=/opt/QtPalmtop |
| 22:38:52 | dc__ | hehee |
| 22:39:01 | treke | X user! |
| 22:39:05 | dc__ | treke: foobar! |
| 22:39:19 | dc__ | treke: I avoid Qtopia like the black plague |
| 22:39:27 | Cam__ | how would you code a path to a resource - like a audio or image file? |
| 22:39:43 | dc__ | but I have a protection field today :P |
| 22:40:37 | dauxxx | but do you think we should use Z like a gameboy ?? |
| 22:40:44 | warmi | heeh .. what would you want to run on your PDA dc ?? |
| 22:40:54 | antlarr | dauxxx: I just asked as a "funny" commentary, but I think "irony" doesn't transfer quite well throu IRC :) |
| 22:40:55 | antlarr | btw (and this is serious) anybody tried sarien ? |
| 22:40:55 | antlarr | (I mean, a port from it) |
| 22:40:55 | antlarr | sarien was working on the iPaq (afaik), so I suppose its easier than porting freesci |
| 22:40:55 | antlarr | Cam__: using Resource ? |
| 22:41:05 | warmi | dauxxx: well, that should be one option.... if some people want to do that, why not |
| 22:41:07 | kergoth | antlarr: i started on sarien |
| 22:41:17 | kergoth | antlarr: never got around to finishing it though |
| 22:41:38 | Cam__ | I'm not sure what you mean antlarr - is that a Qt class? QPE? |
| 22:41:44 | antlarr | kergoth: oh. Is it difficult to port it ? |
| 22:41:50 | dauxxx | because its a very expensive GB |
| 22:41:51 | kergoth | antlarr: not really.. |
| 22:41:54 | antlarr | Cam__: yes, look in the qpe directory |
| 22:42:10 | warmi | dauxxx: yeah, but also very flexible GB |
| 22:42:12 | warmi | heh |
| 22:42:15 | Com[Plex] | hey warmi |
| 22:42:21 | Com[Plex] | did yuo write that puzzle game? |
| 22:42:27 | warmi | yeah |
| 22:42:34 | Com[Plex] | that looks really neat |
| 22:42:45 | warmi | well, I tried my best |
| 22:42:46 | Com[Plex] | is the source code freely available now? or? |
| 22:42:50 | kergoth | re |
| 22:42:54 | warmi | it will be by the end of this week |
| 22:42:54 | antlarr | Cam__: $QPEDIR/include/qpe/resource.h |
| 22:43:00 | Com[Plex] | cool :> |
| 22:43:10 | antlarr | kergoth: I think I may give it a try after the contest is over |
| 22:44:12 | antlarr | kergoth: what kind of problems should be fixed ? |
| 22:44:14 | benmeyer | When I try to browse the sd card with QDir it crashes |
| 22:44:17 | benmeyer | anyone else know of this? |
| 22:44:22 | benmeyer | vfat? |
| 22:44:40 | warmi | what crashes ??? your app or kernel ? |
| 22:44:44 | benmeyer | app |
| 22:44:44 | warmi | :-) |
| 22:45:03 | warmi | nah ... qt relies on standard posix api .. |
| 22:45:24 | warmi | are you sure it only happens on sd card ? |
| 22:45:33 | benmeyer | yup |
| 22:45:34 | kergoth | antlarr: alter the buildsystem to handle c++/qt .. add a configure option for it. replace the graphics.c graphic output functions with c linkage interface functions to your qt class.. decide how you want to handle sarien's event loop.. |
| 22:45:36 | antlarr | That reminds me, I've got some kernel crashes on my Z on the last days |
| 22:45:50 | warmi | have you try duplicating content of that dir on something else and trying tehre ? |
| 22:46:24 | antlarr | kergoth: I see |
| 22:46:30 | dauxxx | i dont believe the audience for the GB is the like Z |
| 22:46:50 | Com[Plex] | can someone give me the link to the source forge site that has all the apps. IE, fifteen, qquake, and all the opie stuff |
| 22:47:14 | Com[Plex] | its like, qpe.sourceforge.net or something, but not qpe |
| 22:47:28 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: opie.handhelds.org for opie. qpe.sourceforge.net for qtopia apps |
| 22:47:28 | warmi | dauxxx: yeah, I Know ...... I am just saying that if some people like to use it as a advanced GB then they are free to do so ... that;s why I like devices like Z .. very flexible |
| 22:48:08 | benmeyer | oh! /mnt/card doing! |
| 22:48:13 | benmeyer | doiing |
| 22:48:15 | benmeyer | hehe |
| 22:48:32 | warmi | ??? |
| 22:48:41 | dauxxx | warmi: my Z is not better than a mp3 juke-box , at the moment |
| 22:48:41 | benmeyer | not /mnt/sd/ |
| 22:48:50 | benmeyer | it is /mnt/card |
| 22:48:52 | benmeyer | my error |
| 22:48:59 | warmi | hehe |
| 22:49:22 | warmi | dauxxx: well, can you mp3 juke-box run tkcKapital |
| 22:49:36 | warmi | ? |
| 22:49:47 | Cam__ | thanks antlarr Resource class... so do I have to overload that to use my own raw format resources? |
| 22:49:50 | dauxxx | that the advance of Z. |
| 22:50:25 | dauxxx | Z is my first pda :-) |
| 22:50:30 | warmi | yep dauxxx.. that is why like Z ( and another reason I like it is because I got it for free :-) |
| 22:50:50 | warmi | allright .. time to go home |
| 22:50:52 | warmi | bye |
| 22:51:50 | antlarr | Cam__: I would just use getenv("QPEDIR") |
| 22:52:26 | Cam__ | this machine is full of symlinks! |
| 22:53:04 | ljp-- | yep |
| 22:53:06 | antlarr | yes :) |
| 22:53:22 | kergoth | wait for oz3.. its not full of symlinks :-P |
| 22:53:36 | antlarr | Btw, do you think it would be bad for my Z's batteries if I leave it charging the whole night ? |
| 22:53:37 | Cam__ | I think after the contest I'll focus on OZ contributions |
| 22:53:54 | antlarr | Cam__: why ? |
| 22:54:01 | Cam__ | I like open stuff |
| 22:54:07 | kergoth | Cam__: if i could ever finish the damned base os I could get back to focusing on my coding for opie.. ugh.. |
| 22:54:20 | kergoth | just not enough time in the day |
| 22:54:28 | Com[Plex] | where can I get the FBvncserver? |
| 22:54:31 | Cam__ | yeah I know, but every little bit helps |
| 22:54:34 | Com[Plex] | its mia |
| 22:54:34 | kergoth | indeed |
| 22:54:47 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: isnt it out on the sf page?.. i know the lineo page died |
| 22:54:55 | Cam__ | wish I could do this and pay the bills at the same time ;-) |
| 22:55:05 | antlarr | btw, (just to be sure), OZ is OpenZaurus, which is a ROM flash which includes linux kernel+Qtopia (Opie?)+etc. isn't it ? |
| 22:55:06 | Com[Plex] | fbvncserver has gone away and nobody knows where it has gone. " |
| 22:55:11 | kergoth | is tempted to stay at work even though he can leave because its a brighter better environment to code in |
| 22:55:15 | ljp-- | fastolfe moved it from sourceforge |
| 22:55:33 | dauxxx | thats said , lineo die :-( |
| 22:55:38 | kergoth | antlarr: yes. openzaurus is a new base os, slightly altered kernel, and opie.. with some additional apps and the like |
| 22:55:50 | BigBoss | they got a million bucks, should last till monday |
| 22:57:13 | antlarr | found a bug in QPainter::drawPolygon() :-(( |
| 22:57:36 | kergoth | BigBoss: lol... |
| 22:58:16 | dauxxx | lineo dit, but what happend with Z ?? |
| 22:59:02 | kergoth | arg i NEED to get package installing to cf/sd/home working |
| 23:01:24 | dauxxx | cu |
| 23:02:51 | whardier | argh.. matey |
| 23:07:59 | Cam_ | is there strace for the Z? |
| 23:08:04 | bewmIES | sure |
| 23:08:14 | bewmIES | It's on the Flinders ROM or I think you can use the ipk from Familiar. |
| 23:08:14 | Cam_ | is there an .ipk feed somwhere that has it? |
| 23:08:23 | Cam_ | OK :) |
| 23:09:02 | Com[Plex] | whats that game "go" about? is it othello? |
| 23:09:43 | Twiun | Com[Plex]: Nope... more like chess (and older too) |
| 23:09:50 | Com[Plex] | hmm |
| 23:09:53 | | rumour has it feed is a package repository or http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds or http://www.zauruszone.com/feed/ |
| 23:09:53 | tux_mike | ibot feed |
| 23:09:56 | Com[Plex] | worth the download? |
| 23:10:13 | Twiun | Com[Plex]: Chinese I think - only worth it if you know it, it's hard to master |
| 23:10:32 | benmeyer | There is an othello package |
| 23:10:37 | | hmmm... othello is at http://sf.net/projects/zaurus |
| 23:10:37 | benmeyer | ibot othello |
| 23:10:49 | Twiun | Hmmm... I need to update that ;-) |
| 23:11:23 | Com[Plex] | ahh |
| 23:11:34 | Com[Plex] | is there any other cool games I should defenitely get? |
| 23:11:37 | | ...but othello is at http://sf.net/projects/zaurus... |
| 23:11:37 | Twiun | ibot othello is at http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=39939 |
| 23:11:46 | Twiun | hmmm |
| 23:11:50 | | Twiun: I forgot othello |
| 23:11:50 | Twiun | ibot forget othello |
| 23:11:53 | | OK, Twiun. |
| 23:11:53 | Twiun | ibot othello is at http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=39939 |
| 23:11:54 | bewmIES | Get fifteen |
| 23:11:56 | bewmIES | And kpacman |
| 23:11:57 | bewmIES | :) |
| 23:11:57 | treke | Com[Plex] : Strategic Assault |
| 23:12:08 | Com[Plex] | say "no, othello is at http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=39939 |
| 23:12:08 | Twiun | Fifteen, yeah... Javanoids is cool too |
| 23:12:22 | dc__ | sa is very cool |
| 23:12:24 | Com[Plex] | fifteen needs a timer |
| 23:12:26 | dc__ | only reason I'd want a Z |
| 23:12:32 | Com[Plex] | I can whip that out in about 13 secodns. no kidding |
| 23:12:35 | benmeyer | HAHAH |
| 23:12:40 | Twiun | dc__: tkcMahjongg is very nice too |
| 23:12:42 | benmeyer | the backup app doesn't even gzip the files! |
| 23:12:55 | kergoth | ack |
| 23:12:57 | Twiun | benmeyer: Yeah... 2mb definately should be |
| 23:12:58 | antlarr | anybody managed to get modplugin working ? |
| 23:13:01 | kergoth | wtf |
| 23:13:09 | kergoth | my storage tab in opie is a blank tab |
| 23:13:12 | kergoth | nothing on it |
| 23:13:15 | kergoth | whatsoever |
| 23:13:18 | dc__ | Twiun: bah. xmahjongg is cooler :P |
| 23:13:39 | Twiun | dc__: Yeah, but I can't be bothered reinstalling X every time I hard-boot |
| 23:13:47 | ljp-- | storage tab? |
| 23:13:51 | Com[Plex] | BigBoss: the drawing program rules |
| 23:13:52 | Com[Plex] | ty |
| 23:14:02 | dc__ | Twiun: why whould you do that? lol |
| 23:14:30 | Twiun | dc__: I hard-reset every other day.... easier than trying to figure out what I messed up |
| 23:14:36 | Com[Plex] | whats bridges? |
| 23:14:57 | dc__ | Twiun: hard-reset does nothing to x |
| 23:14:59 | Twiun | Not too sure... it's a java game as far as I know |
| 23:15:06 | dc__ | Twiun: nor my iPAQ :) |
| 23:15:32 | Twiun | dc__: On my Z it gets rid of my symlinks... (I'm not talking about just rebooting here) |
| 23:15:48 | dc__ | Twiun: ouch! |
| 23:15:52 | dc__ | Twiun: poor you man. |
| 23:16:19 | Com[Plex] | anyone played thats "raid" game yet? |
| 23:16:21 | Twiun | dc__: Nah... It doesn't hurt all that much - I've got a routine that works around the problems... I live on CF |
| 23:16:39 | dc__ | Twiun: :) |
| 23:16:44 | kergoth | ljp--: yeah, the storage tab in sysinfo |
| 23:17:09 | Twiun | Com[Plex]: Nope |
| 23:18:06 | benmeyer | why is there a usr in /home/root? |
| 23:18:10 | Twiun | Right... to bed with me. And this time I mean it! |
| 23:18:13 | Twiun | waves |
| 23:18:43 | kergoth | benmeyer: because of the nonsensical structure in embedix |
| 23:18:48 | bewmIES | root@localhost:/usr# ls -la | grep usr |
| 23:18:48 | bewmIES | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 Apr 10 22:20 bin -> /home/root/usr/bin |
| 23:18:50 | bewmIES | That's why :) |
| 23:18:50 | benmeyer | yah! |
| 23:19:03 | kergoth | argh! |
| 23:19:06 | kergoth | opie segfaulted!@#% |
| 23:19:10 | kergoth | bangs head against desk |
| 23:19:24 | benmeyer | so to backup applications I would backup that dir? |
| 23:19:58 | ljp-- | bye |
| 23:20:06 | ljp-- | oopps |
| 23:20:55 | kergoth | ljp--: you missed |
| 23:20:57 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:21:01 | Com[Plex] | wich is newer? 1.5.0-20020319 |
| 23:21:03 | kergoth | damnit damnit damnit damnit damnit |
| 23:21:05 | kergoth | damnit damnit |
| 23:21:08 | Com[Plex] | or 1.5-1 ? |
| 23:21:24 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: of what? |
| 23:21:26 | ljp-- | Com: what? where? |
| 23:21:32 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:21:33 | benmeyer | hmm, almost a wazrz type sytem with the full backup.... |
| 23:22:05 | kergoth | son of a bitch |
| 23:22:08 | kergoth | this is not my day |
| 23:23:15 | benmeyer | kergoth: if it makes you any happier I have a done app for you that is better then the z's |
| 23:23:16 | benmeyer | :) |
| 23:23:22 | Com[Plex] | sorry, bad paste. I want to know the latest versiobn of tetrix |
| 23:23:47 | antlarr | benmeyer: what have you done ? |
| 23:24:12 | Com[Plex] | one is called 99176opie-tetrix_1.5-1_arm.ipk and the other opie-tetrix_1.5.0-20020319_arm.ipk |
| 23:24:26 | bewmIES | Do the packages have timestamps? |
| 23:24:29 | kergoth | Com[Plex]: use the tiemstamped version |
| 23:24:32 | benmeyer | I made an backup app |
| 23:24:38 | kergoth | bewmIES: for current cvs opie, yes |
| 23:24:46 | finkployd | haha! I can't believe riskable actually used that as his tag line for zaurus@ll |
| 23:24:50 | bewmIES | -rw-r--r-- 1 rwm rwm 309 Jan 29 17:24 opie-tetrix.control |
| 23:24:50 | bewmIES | -rw-r--r-- 1 rwm rwm 799 Mar 29 10:51 tetrix.pro |
| 23:24:59 | bewmIES | It doesn't look like much changed in 3/29 |
| 23:25:07 | bewmIES | So I'd say they're probably both the same? |
| 23:25:18 | Com[Plex] | all the same time stamp |
| 23:25:27 | antlarr | benmeyer: for the configuration and documents ? |
| 23:25:47 | benmeyer | everything |
| 23:25:50 | benmeyer | you can backup your apps |
| 23:25:51 | benmeyer | :) |
| 23:26:02 | antlarr | ah, cool |
| 23:26:05 | killefiz | what's it called? |
| 23:26:07 | killefiz | tar? ;) |
| 23:26:09 | benmeyer | dataBackup |
| 23:26:21 | kergoth | benmeyer: backing up apps wont work in oz, fyi |
| 23:26:26 | benmeyer | ? |
| 23:26:35 | benmeyer | bummer |
| 23:26:37 | kergoth | benmeyer: oz doesnt have that fucked symlink structure |
| 23:26:43 | benmeyer | :) |
| 23:26:44 | bewmIES | hip hip |
| 23:26:47 | benmeyer | horay |
| 23:27:19 | kergoth | aha |
| 23:27:23 | kergoth | opie segfaults when you exit |
| 23:27:25 | kergoth | on my Z |
| 23:27:26 | kergoth | wtf? |
| 23:27:34 | kergoth | beats opie with a stick |
| 23:28:05 | kergoth | embeddedkonsole doesnt work at all |
| 23:28:13 | kergoth | and sysinfo displays a black storage tab |
| 23:28:14 | kergoth | fun fun |
| 23:28:47 | benmeyer | Well Kergoth you can just put a ifdef around 8 lines of code for opie and then it will work for both of us |
| 23:29:04 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:29:12 | kergoth | we need a better way to handle that |
| 23:29:12 | kergoth | hm |
| 23:29:27 | kergoth | i have no brainpower left to use on this |
| 23:29:31 | kergoth | come back later |
| 23:29:39 | benmeyer | ok, we will work on it tomarrow |
| 23:29:39 | kergoth | walks away muttering to himself |
| 23:29:41 | ][N-Flux | no do it now |
| 23:29:44 | ][N-Flux | NOW :) |
| 23:30:03 | ][N-Flux | again Novell sucks |
| 23:30:15 | ][N-Flux | just in case anyone missed it earlier |
| 23:30:17 | kergoth | charges influx with his stapler and beats him to death with it |
| 23:30:49 | ][N-Flux | ow |
| 23:30:52 | ][N-Flux | hehehe |
| 23:31:10 | ][N-Flux | me listened to mod's on the way home on his Z |
| 23:32:45 | Com[Plex] | mods, nice |
| 23:32:49 | Com[Plex] | what were you using for a aplyer? |
| 23:32:49 | ][N-Flux | hands himself a / |
| 23:32:50 | Com[Plex] | player |
| 23:33:08 | ][N-Flux | modplayer from catalin |
| 23:34:00 | ][N-Flux | what is zlines? |
| 23:34:47 | kergoth | walks around looking menacingly at people and clutching his stapler close |
| 23:34:53 | kergoth | I really need to get oz3 released. |
| 23:35:04 | benmeyer | look at the info |
| 23:35:04 | ][N-Flux | yeah |
| 23:35:05 | benmeyer | haha |
| 23:36:39 | BigBoss | see this http://www.linuxandmain.com/news/zaurogg.html |
| 23:45:59 | Com[Plex] | btw, that "raid" game is really neat, - but pathetically short |
| 23:46:08 | Com[Plex] | I beat it in 60 seconds. (for real) |
| 23:49:59 | benmeyer | raid? |
| 23:52:00 | Com[Plex] | yeah, it looks new |
| 23:52:06 | Com[Plex] | its 3d flyer game, |
| 23:52:11 | benmeyer | is /home/etc all symlinked to /etc? |
| 23:52:17 | benmeyer | Where is it? |
| 23:52:42 | Com[Plex] | http://www.zauruszone.com/feed/ |
| 23:52:50 | bewmIES | No, /etc is symlinked to /home/etc |
| 23:53:06 | benmeyer | ok |
| 23:53:12 | bewmIES | Think of it like this |
| 23:53:15 | bewmIES | /home is writeable |
| 23:53:15 | benmeyer | it is in my feed...? |
| 23:53:16 | benmeyer | hahah |
| 23:56:04 | benmeyer | Never got around to running that |
| 23:56:08 | benmeyer | what does it run in java? |
| 23:56:12 | gashish | ah. nothing like sitting on you deck at sunset with a cold corona and a wireless Z. |
| 23:56:29 | benmeyer | Wonder where I got it so I can put it up on the zsi |
| 23:57:56 | scanline | is away: is it spam yet? Nope, just school food... |
| 23:59:09 | | benmeyer: huh? |
| 23:59:09 | benmeyer | ibot zoid |
| 23:59:14 | | i guess raid is holding up, but have some frame relay problems this morning |
| 23:59:14 | benmeyer | ibot raid |
| 23:59:19 | | benmeyer: what? |
| 23:59:19 | benmeyer | ibot raid zaurus |
| 23:59:23 | | benmeyer: what? |
| 23:59:23 | benmeyer | ibot raid & zaurus |
