| 00:03:36 | JasonNJ2 | who the heck is dafydd walters |
| 00:03:44 | JasonNJ2 | and what lists is HE going to make? |
| 00:03:45 | JasonNJ2 | lol |
| 00:04:31 | ljp-- | hehehhe |
| 00:04:36 | JasonNJ2 | fink: thats really stupid considering Palms dont run on Windows either |
| 00:05:20 | JasonNJ2 | fink: although, I have never been impressed by the sales folk at Circuit City |
| 00:05:27 | JasonNJ2 | I still have a bad taste in my mouth from DIVX |
| 00:05:28 | NeoTron | work == sync with the pc I'd say |
| 00:06:07 | tux_mike | JasonNJ2: did they dupe you into it? |
| 00:06:11 | JasonNJ2 | no |
| 00:06:32 | JasonNJ2 | but every time I would go there they would try to shove it down my throat and tell me how much better it was than DVD |
| 00:07:14 | JasonNJ2 | I really shouldnt say this kinda stuff about our superstore partners though :) |
| 00:07:36 | JasonNJ2 | I shop at Staples and Best Buy |
| 00:07:38 | JasonNJ2 | :) |
| 00:07:41 | ljp-- | salesmen... they're all the same, eh? |
| 00:08:16 | JasonNJ2 | I wrote up a ton of docs for the sales and marketing team on how to train the salespeople on the benefits of the unit |
| 00:08:22 | JasonNJ2 | I hope they make them read it |
| 00:10:39 | ljp-- | is glad he never went into radio broadcasting sales |
| 00:11:13 | riskable | Howdy folks, I'm back from idle land |
| 00:12:40 | riskable | Any good places that I can get my site linked from? (http://Zaurus.LovesLinux.com) |
| 00:14:27 | JasonNJ2 | risk: you are free to add it to the links page on ZaurusZone |
| 00:15:40 | riskable | I already did |
| 00:15:45 | JasonNJ2 | great |
| 00:15:46 | riskable | I added it to the wiki |
| 00:15:53 | JasonNJ2 | the more zaurus websites the better |
| 00:15:55 | riskable | ...but I can't post anything to the ZaurusZone forums |
| 00:16:04 | JasonNJ2 | yes, they are a bit busy |
| 00:16:14 | JasonNJ2 | I'm going to move the system to a different server |
| 00:16:31 | JasonNJ2 | and run the whole site on Sourceforge 2.6 |
| 00:16:45 | riskable | Good idea |
| 00:16:46 | JasonNJ2 | with the next gen ikonboard on mysql |
| 00:17:04 | JasonNJ2 | the guy who wrote sourceforge is going to do it for me |
| 00:17:08 | JasonNJ2 | fusion94 |
| 00:17:16 | JasonNJ2 | I also want him to do the official sharp site on SF too |
| 00:17:21 | JasonNJ2 | we are working on plans for that |
| 00:17:36 | riskable | Awesome |
| 00:17:42 | NeoTron | hmm. Do we really want two zaurusforges? |
| 00:17:50 | JasonNJ2 | well |
| 00:18:02 | JasonNJ2 | zauruszone will not have cvs |
| 00:18:11 | JasonNJ2 | it will be softwre binary upload only |
| 00:18:13 | JasonNJ2 | for end users |
| 00:18:18 | JasonNJ2 | and end user discussion |
| 00:18:24 | JasonNJ2 | the sharp one will be developer focused |
| 00:18:32 | JasonNJ2 | ZZ's sourceforge will be VERY streamlined |
| 00:19:05 | ljp-- | thats good. ZZ is kinda all over the place |
| 00:19:13 | JasonNJ2 | no ZZ will be very focused |
| 00:19:25 | JasonNJ2 | my intention was to make it a end user site after the developer stuff was sorted out |
| 00:23:10 | scanline | is away: food-like doodads |
| 00:24:56 | NeoTron | tries to remember what he was going to do now... |
| 00:25:01 | peanut | waves |
| 00:25:07 | tux_mike | hey peanut |
| 00:25:07 | riskable | waves back |
| 00:25:14 | tux_mike | NeoTron: fix SDL? |
| 00:25:16 | peanut | hey tux_mike! |
| 00:25:22 | riskable | peanut: what do you think? http://Zaurus.LovesLinux.com |
| 00:25:24 | peanut | are there any legal roms for zmame? |
| 00:25:33 | peanut | or freely available ones? |
| 00:25:39 | tux_mike | peanut: go to www.mame.net there are 2 on there |
| 00:25:55 | peanut | well that makes sense :) |
| 00:26:00 | NeoTron | tux_mike: nope, was going to fix / work on something with CC but I can't remember what |
| 00:26:04 | NeoTron | got distracted. :P |
| 00:26:51 | riskable | OK, time to go /away for a while |
| 00:26:54 | peanut | ahh.. theyre is 3 of them there. |
| 00:28:28 | NeoTron | ah, I remembered! Fix keyboard input events. :P |
| 00:32:06 | BigBoss | riskable: what the heck is that graphic on our press release? :) |
| 00:33:48 | Twiun | Hmmm... anyone know how to give a user rights to bind to privileged ports? |
| 00:37:26 | NeoTron | is away: bbq |
| 00:40:45 | scanline | is back (gone 00:17:35) |
| 00:50:12 | kergoth | greetings |
| 00:50:28 | BigBoss | hey |
| 00:50:30 | kergoth | just threw in kde3. quite impressive. |
| 00:58:15 | antlarr | aargh ! my Zaurus is frozen ! |
| 00:58:21 | roge99 | is back (gone 10:38:18) |
| 00:58:37 | antlarr | what can I do (except waiting for the battery to finish) |
| 00:59:03 | antlarr | I can do ping anyway |
| 00:59:17 | roge99 | antlarr: flick the switch in the back |
| 00:59:31 | roge99 | from normal to replace battery |
| 00:59:36 | roge99 | then back |
| 00:59:52 | roge99 | that'l make it reboot |
| 01:00:03 | antlarr | ah, thanks ! |
| 01:00:24 | antlarr | aaaarg |
| 01:00:55 | antlarr | free inode counts wrong and many other (supposedly fixed) problems with the fs |
| 01:01:07 | antlarr | I hope it doesn't corrupt the fs |
| 01:02:02 | antlarr | btwm what would happen if I do a "full reset" as when I first turned the Z on ? would it "reformat" the filesystems ? and start again from the beginning ? |
| 01:03:27 | roge99 | yep |
| 01:03:40 | antlarr | cool |
| 01:03:45 | roge99 | if you hit the hard reset inside the battery compartment |
| 01:04:35 | kergoth | hmm |
| 01:04:45 | kergoth | sup roge99 |
| 01:08:03 | ljp-- | breaks out the free 5 topping pizza coupon |
| 01:08:39 | kergoth | winex is nifty |
| 01:09:02 | ljp-- | is that with kde3? |
| 01:09:10 | kergoth | independent package |
| 01:09:15 | kergoth | winex = wine + directx support |
| 01:09:35 | kergoth | actually runs some of my games |
| 01:09:36 | kergoth | :-) |
| 01:10:02 | ljp-- | ahhh |
| 01:10:06 | roge99 | hey kergoth |
| 01:10:14 | roge99 | how goes it |
| 01:10:40 | kergoth | not bad.. still being impressed with kde3 |
| 01:10:49 | kergoth | heheh |
| 01:10:52 | kergoth | and doing a bit of coding |
| 01:10:57 | roge99 | cool |
| 01:11:07 | kergoth | i really really wish kdevelop supported qmake/tmake |
| 01:11:17 | roge99 | im plaing need for speed head to head w/ my 6year old |
| 01:11:17 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:11:24 | kergoth | ah cool :-) |
| 01:11:29 | roge99 | he's kickin my ass |
| 01:12:19 | ljp-- | I wonder why they haven't added tmake/qmake support in yet.. |
| 01:13:22 | kergoth | seems strange, considering its keyed to kde and Qt apps |
| 01:13:32 | ljp-- | ya.. agreed |
| 01:13:54 | kergoth | i still use it, for the graphical classmap and the like |
| 01:14:03 | kergoth | but its annoying to have to use the built in konsole to build it |
| 01:14:04 | kergoth | hehe |
| 01:14:10 | ljp-- | they must like all those confusing aotumake/conf files strewn about |
| 01:14:17 | kergoth | yeah |
| 01:14:20 | kergoth | qmake/tmake is so clean |
| 01:14:27 | kergoth | just one .pro.. |
| 01:14:29 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:30:41 | antlarr | bye |
| 01:36:20 | BigBoss | tmake is so old |
| 01:36:26 | BigBoss | qmake was written to replace it |
| 01:37:10 | BigBoss | they didn't put qmake into kdevelop because it's a hell of a lot harder than adding the cross compiler support which took a couple hours, but is really just a halfass job for saying you could do embedded development with it |
| 01:51:04 | kergoth | BigBoss: gotcha. Overall, kdevelop needs the ability to customize the buildsystem of a project.. not just specific qmake support.. |
| 02:04:47 | MEGA|Home | mmh, what's a good Wireless LAN for the Z? |
| 02:04:58 | MEGA|Home | card I mean |
| 02:14:05 | BigBoss | I have the linksys and it works good, just the top is to fat |
| 02:14:55 | roge99 | BigBoss: if you take a round file to it you can make the stylus fit |
| 02:43:56 | JasonNJ2 | this is an interesting web site |
| 02:44:00 | JasonNJ2 | pxdirect.com |
| 03:04:13 | finkployd-Zaurus | wireless in my appartment! :) |
| 03:20:06 | Eupolis | hi all. maybe I'm missing something, but I haven't seen this one in the FAQ(s): is there a way to type a "\" on the Z's thumb keyboard? |
| 03:22:37 | finkployd | not that I would ever advocate warez, but why does hancom think it secure to use serial numbers to restrict access to the hancom apps when I can walk into any circuit and play with a 5500 (and remember the serial number?) :) |
| 03:22:53 | finkployd | I mean seriously, just give the 5000 users the stupid apps :) |
| 03:29:05 | ][N-Flux | well, that's nice |
| 03:29:11 | ][N-Flux | the vnc server is gone |
| 03:31:11 | warmi | it has been gone for a while now |
| 03:31:19 | warmi | I was never able to find it |
| 03:32:57 | warmi | btw .. does anyone have ipks of VNC server ? |
| 03:34:59 | kend-zaur | qpdf rocks! |
| 03:35:16 | kend-zaur | i do warmi |
| 03:35:37 | kend-zaur | where were they that they've disappeared? |
| 03:36:35 | ][N-Flux | lineo, fast I imagine took them away since they fired him |
| 03:36:51 | warmi | Well, I followed bunch of links from different places and always ended up on fast page with some obscure text message |
| 03:37:27 | kend-zaur | fastolef? fired? sucks! |
| 03:37:39 | ][N-Flux | lineo is in the dumper atm |
| 03:37:50 | kend-zaur | yeah |
| 03:38:16 | kend-zaur | is it ok for me to dist vnc? |
| 03:38:29 | kend-zaur | i can email, if that's legit |
| 03:39:24 | warmi | what kind of copyright is included with this package ? |
| 03:39:35 | kend-zaur | dunno |
| 03:39:39 | ][N-Flux | think he gpl'ed it |
| 03:40:30 | kend-zaur | so who wants it? :) |
| 03:41:11 | warmi | I want it .... warmi@warmi.net |
| 03:41:14 | warmi | if you can email |
| 03:41:33 | warmi | or ftp.warmi.net anonymous in /incoming if you prefer ftp |
| 03:41:40 | kend-zaur | on its way... |
| 03:41:44 | warmi | thanks |
| 03:41:45 | ][N-Flux | mememe :) |
| 03:41:59 | ][N-Flux | can ya dcc? |
| 03:42:10 | kend-zaur | no - on zaurus right now :) |
| 03:42:12 | kend-zaur | email? |
| 03:42:20 | ][N-Flux | influx@attbi.com |
| 03:42:26 | ][N-Flux | that'll work |
| 03:45:12 | kend-zaur | sent |
| 03:45:20 | kend-zaur | ok - gotta run |
| 03:46:10 | ][N-Flux | thanks |
| 04:00:14 | ][N-Flux | hrmmmm |
| 04:04:53 | ][N-Flux | where do you get zic? |
| 04:12:16 | riskable | I have returned |
| 04:12:30 | riskable | fakes a loud audience of applause |
| 04:15:00 | Eupolis | argh |
| 04:15:21 | Eupolis | barely kills off konqueror-embedded before it eats all of memory |
| 04:15:48 | riskable | Thank goodness you got to it in time! |
| 04:16:13 | riskable | would like to remind everyone of today's new Zaurus community site launch: http://Zaurus.LovesLinux.com |
| 04:16:30 | riskable | Register an account, have a beer, and post something in the forums =) |
| 04:16:45 | BigBoss | and our press release is the most read story :) |
| 04:16:51 | Eupolis | qtopia ended up restarting on its own anyway, and then there were a few misc widgets lying around from the "memory is almost full" window, so I rebooted |
| 04:16:52 | riskable | LOL, yep |
| 04:16:53 | BigBoss | although you have to explain the graphic :) |
| 04:17:21 | riskable | BTW: That was nice having it pre-HTML-formatted =) |
| 04:17:29 | riskable | Graphic == Software |
| 04:17:43 | riskable | I'll put titles with the graphics soon enough |
| 04:17:56 | ][N-Flux | needs zic |
| 04:18:09 | BigBoss | I find a graphic of a woman removing her pants very compelling |
| 04:18:19 | BigBoss | on the other hand a man taking off his pants makes me run away :) |
| 04:18:36 | riskable | Everyone likes software announcements |
| 04:18:54 | riskable | I think I'm going to delete that other news item |
| 04:19:12 | BigBoss | there were other news items? |
| 04:20:39 | riskable | Just that "Site official launch is tonight!" item |
| 04:20:56 | riskable | I just moved it to the forum. Better place for it |
| 04:22:35 | BigBoss | do you mind if I am 99% of your news for a week? :) |
| 04:22:59 | BigBoss | tkcPlayer is now done, just need a splash screen and icon from our artist and update the web page |
| 04:23:51 | riskable | You going to use your mascot in this program? =) |
| 04:24:11 | riskable | If you keep on making news, I'll keep on posting it |
| 04:24:30 | riskable | What you SHOULD do, is get an account on the site and submit it through the web interface =) |
| 04:29:14 | BigBoss | I can do that - I just need to remember :) |
| 04:29:21 | BigBoss | we need to use our mascot somewhere |
| 04:29:28 | BigBoss | I think it is a good Opie mascot though |
| 04:29:51 | tux_mike | BigBoss: tkcplayer,media player? |
| 04:31:13 | warmi | riskable: nice site |
| 04:32:01 | riskable | Thanks :) |
| 04:32:34 | kergoth | yes, agreed. very nice. postnuke is much superior to that which ZZ was running, thats for sure |
| 04:32:41 | kergoth | re |
| 04:33:12 | riskable | I made the site because I just couldn't take another "Sorry, ikonboard is too busy to handle your request" error |
| 04:33:17 | kergoth | hah |
| 04:33:35 | kergoth | nice interface. i'm glad it has a seperate downloads section. i cant stand downloading through a forum |
| 04:33:43 | riskable | No kidding |
| 04:33:43 | kergoth | but then, who am i kidding, i'm not much for forums in general |
| 04:33:44 | kergoth | hehe |
| 04:34:08 | riskable | I took special care to make sure my theme looks OK on the Z at medium size. It's even nicer on the Z if you use the ExtraLite theme |
| 04:34:28 | BigBoss | tux_mike: Player and MediaCenter are different apps |
| 04:34:29 | kergoth | the only comment i have on the site so far is that theres a bit of ambiguity regarding the numerous modules.. e.g. Sections vs Topics vs Forum .. those 3 could easily represent the same thing.. its not clear |
| 04:34:40 | kergoth | BigBoss: whats tkcPlayer? |
| 04:35:13 | BigBoss | Player is an ogg and MP3 playback device - nice controls and file information and visualizer |
| 04:35:23 | riskable | Sections: Forgot to get rid of that |
| 04:35:34 | BigBoss | MediaCenter has those same basic options but also has themes, streaming and eventually video as well |
| 04:35:43 | kergoth | ah |
| 04:35:58 | kergoth | riskable: yes, getting rid of sections would help. what is topics? news? articles? |
| 04:35:59 | ][N-Flux | where can I get zic? |
| 04:36:00 | riskable | Sections are now gone. I don't intend to use them |
| 04:36:04 | kergoth | riskable: great |
| 04:36:12 | riskable | There is no "articles" |
| 04:36:18 | warmi | riskable: now you just have to promote it |
| 04:36:28 | warmi | everywhere you can :-) |
| 04:36:30 | kergoth | we need to get some content propogated |
| 04:36:37 | riskable | I'm trying to =) |
| 04:36:38 | kergoth | start filling in the downloads section, links, etc |
| 04:36:40 | kergoth | hehe |
| 04:36:45 | riskable | Yeah, content will come slowly but surely |
| 04:36:50 | kergoth | its got a lot of potential |
| 04:36:56 | kergoth | fills a real need at this point |
| 04:36:59 | riskable | Links are already pretty filled out... Need downloads |
| 04:37:09 | ][N-Flux | zic anyone :) |
| 04:37:18 | ][N-Flux | where is it hiding |
| 04:37:27 | kergoth | riskable: can you put links in download descriptions? e.g. to point to handango for purchase? |
| 04:37:31 | riskable | Topics is just a page of the different topic titles for news on the site =) |
| 04:37:41 | riskable | Hmm, sure |
| 04:37:55 | kergoth | just curious on the capabilities of the system |
| 04:37:57 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:38:06 | BigBoss | no offense, but the links section kind of sucks |
| 04:38:08 | riskable | The downloads actually don't care where the files are located |
| 04:38:41 | kergoth | hmm. News is news, and Topics is a categorized view of news.. thats confusing.. theres gotta be a better way to handle that.. like a way to view category from the News section, or something |
| 04:38:42 | kergoth | hmm |
| 04:38:43 | riskable | Well, don't say it sucks without telling me why. I can change it =) |
| 04:39:08 | riskable | Well, in a little while (or maybe tomorrow) news items will have text as well as the icon for the topic |
| 04:39:59 | BigBoss | for links I'm looking for theKompany for example, and just following the links in there doesn't show anything |
| 04:40:20 | kergoth | cool. find a way to consolodate news & topics .. imho.. it'll help make things straightforward, as currently there are just a LOT of areas to go to :-) |
| 04:40:27 | BigBoss | I'd say that with the relatively low number of links you are better off with a single alphabatized list that has a description next to it |
| 04:40:28 | riskable | theKompany probably isn't in there yet =P |
| 04:40:54 | riskable | ...but you just gave me a new idea for a category: Commercial Apps |
| 04:40:59 | kergoth | yes, good idea |
| 04:41:00 | kergoth | hmm |
| 04:41:02 | BigBoss | that's ok, but I've run into this on web stores where you have to look up by category but they've only got 1 or 2 things in each category, so just having a single list would be better |
| 04:41:13 | kergoth | can you display the items of a subcategory IN the higher level category? |
| 04:41:24 | riskable | Well, I'm trying to leave room for lots of expansion |
| 04:41:29 | kergoth | e.g. show all Software items that are within the subcategories when i click on Software |
| 04:41:42 | kergoth | rather than FORCING me to click another level deep |
| 04:41:50 | kergoth | its a lot of clicks to get to content in the links section currently |
| 04:42:01 | riskable | Hmmm |
| 04:42:25 | BigBoss | it's much easier to critique than create :) |
| 04:42:28 | kergoth | know what i mean? like, leave the ability to click into the subcategories, but below that show subcontent |
| 04:42:31 | riskable | Well, when there's 100s of software titles available for the Z, you still want to have just ONE big category called "software"? |
| 04:42:31 | kergoth | BigBoss: indeed it is ;-) |
| 04:42:49 | kergoth | you have one category called software now |
| 04:42:54 | BigBoss | I'm talking about links |
| 04:43:01 | kergoth | so am i |
| 04:43:02 | BigBoss | you're never going to have more than about 20 links or so |
| 04:43:14 | riskable | Per what? |
| 04:43:19 | riskable | 20 links per category? |
| 04:43:27 | kergoth | i'm saying, within a Category, allow navigating to Subcategory, but also display Subcontent on the Category page |
| 04:43:27 | BigBoss | of course now I sound like Intel creating the 8086 and 640k ram |
| 04:43:32 | kergoth | BigBoss: lol |
| 04:43:34 | riskable | I mean, under "software" there's certainly going to be a lot of links in the coming months |
| 04:44:07 | kergoth | yes.. but if i'm willing to scroll through them all, i should be allowed to, rather than traversing each subcategory individually |
| 04:44:19 | riskable | I know I have 24 links total, and 14 categories. But I'd rather have that, then have to spend hours rearranging the web links section down the road |
| 04:44:41 | kergoth | riskable: granularity is good |
| 04:44:44 | BigBoss | oh man, I'm listening to an ogg file on my zaurus right now and the fidelity is awesome |
| 04:44:49 | riskable | I know what you mean kergoth, but unfortunately I didn't write this module =) |
| 04:44:53 | kergoth | riskable: but allowing the user to bypass the granularity is an added benefit |
| 04:44:58 | kergoth | riskable: hehe. i figured... :-) |
| 04:45:07 | kergoth | riskable: but keep it in mind, in case you feel like coding :-P |
| 04:45:10 | riskable | BigBoss: You don't have to try to sell your player yet, not available =) |
| 04:45:19 | kergoth | BigBoss: nice! |
| 04:45:26 | riskable | I mean, I might be able to hack it. I'll see what I can do |
| 04:45:34 | BigBoss | I just got the new beta 5 minutes ago |
| 04:45:37 | BigBoss | this is amazing |
| 04:45:41 | BigBoss | I'm getting a woody |
| 04:45:46 | riskable | BigBoss: I bought the tkcBundle. Is the Player going to be part of that? |
| 04:45:48 | kergoth | hah |
| 04:45:51 | riskable | LOL |
| 04:46:30 | BigBoss | it's going to be part of the bundle for a higher price |
| 04:46:32 | riskable | BTW: Think I should add a screenshots module? |
| 04:46:51 | riskable | So how would someone like me, who bought the bundle through Handango, upgrade? |
| 04:46:54 | kergoth | riskable: theres some value in that.. hmmm. |
| 04:47:02 | BigBoss | of course this is a blue grass version of an AC/DC song, which is strange to begin with |
| 04:47:16 | riskable | I'd essentially hack the image gallery module to be a screenshots module |
| 04:47:21 | BigBoss | riskable - you just gotta buy the app later on your own |
| 04:47:26 | BigBoss | you're still saving money |
| 04:47:46 | BigBoss | riskable: I can send you screenshots for your web site if you like? |
| 04:47:51 | BigBoss | maybe a free copy in it for you :) |
| 04:48:02 | riskable | Let me get the screenshots module setup first |
| 04:48:14 | riskable | Right now I need to build the site's framework. As time goes on it will be populated |
| 04:48:42 | BigBoss | here's a usability question |
| 04:49:00 | BigBoss | do you want to be able to filter by type? ogg, mp3, mod, etc. |
| 04:49:06 | BigBoss | or just show all available media files? |
| 04:49:30 | riskable | Probably all media files |
| 04:49:35 | BigBoss | here is an interesting stat for you |
| 04:49:39 | kergoth | BigBoss: does it use the existing documents system to create the list? |
| 04:49:46 | BigBoss | ogg takes about 25% cpu to decode and mp3 about 40% |
| 04:49:54 | riskable | I mean, not many people are going to be sorting their music collections by file type. It'll be by artist or category |
| 04:49:55 | BigBoss | kergoth: don't know |
| 04:50:08 | kergoth | riskable: is there a place on the page to contact you? e.g. to send in comments and the like.. not news items, but perhaps site comments and the like |
| 04:50:14 | BigBoss | riskable: true, but I'm anal and I'd like to know what types as well |
| 04:50:22 | kergoth | BigBoss: thats pretty impressive on the cpu usage.. |
| 04:50:23 | BigBoss | info@thekompany.com |
| 04:50:30 | riskable | kergoth: Good idea |
| 04:50:34 | BigBoss | ogg just fucking rocks |
| 04:50:38 | riskable | However, there is a site feedback forum |
| 04:51:13 | BigBoss | ok - my 3 current favorite bands for the last couple years are... |
| 04:51:21 | kergoth | oh is there? cool |
| 04:51:25 | BigBoss | Dream Theater, Spocks Beard, Pain of Salvation |
| 04:51:31 | BigBoss | you MUST hear these bands |
| 04:51:35 | kergoth | never heard any of them |
| 04:51:39 | riskable | Me either |
| 04:51:39 | kergoth | what type of music? |
| 04:52:06 | BigBoss | progressive |
| 04:52:16 | BigBoss | the first and third are progressive heavy metal |
| 04:52:23 | kergoth | cool. i'll take a look |
| 04:52:25 | kergoth | god i love kde3 |
| 04:52:25 | BigBoss | you have never heard people play like Dream Theater |
| 04:52:38 | BigBoss | and Pain of Salvation is just incredible |
| 04:52:43 | Eupolis | is familiar with dream theater. mike portnoy is quite an impressive drummer |
| 04:52:46 | BigBoss | Spocks Beard is totally unique - I love them |
| 04:53:05 | BigBoss | Portnoy is beyond human. i saw him live a few times, and I always thought he was really a drum machine |
| 04:53:11 | riskable | kde3 is awesome |
| 04:53:24 | BigBoss | having written and recorded hundreds of hours of music and played live many times, i was just blown away |
| 04:53:34 | riskable | I just wish they'd make it so I can use "append signiture" at the CURSOR LOCATION in Kmail! |
| 04:53:40 | kergoth | riskable: yep.. it feels very refined |
| 04:53:47 | kergoth | riskable: kmail also needs better filtering |
| 04:54:04 | BigBoss | user aethera instead |
| 04:54:04 | riskable | Every time I hit append signiture it attached my sig to the BOTTOM of my email... Even if I replied at the top! Drives me NUTS! |
| 04:54:06 | kergoth | riskable: e.g. move a matched mail into a folder on a IMAP server |
| 04:54:17 | kergoth | riskable: and store filters on a IMAP server as well |
| 04:54:33 | kergoth | BigBoss: what version are you up to? |
| 04:54:37 | kergoth | BigBoss: i havent used it recently |
| 04:54:38 | riskable | Kmail is not progressing nearly as fast as the rest of KDE. It's dissapointing |
| 04:54:51 | kergoth | indeed it is |
| 04:54:58 | kergoth | i love kioslaves |
| 04:55:04 | BigBoss | 0.9.8 |
| 04:55:08 | kergoth | sftp://, smb://, etc rock :-) |
| 04:55:15 | kergoth | BigBoss: damn.. i need to upgrade |
| 04:55:16 | kergoth | BigBoss: hehe |
| 04:55:17 | BigBoss | new version 2 days ago |
| 04:55:27 | kergoth | BigBoss: debian's upstream ver of aethera is old |
| 04:55:28 | BigBoss | it's about 5 weeks away from 1.0 release |
| 04:55:38 | BigBoss | kioslaves are very cool |
| 04:55:39 | kergoth | excellent |
| 04:56:13 | kergoth | aethera is 0.9.3-7 in debian unstable |
| 04:56:14 | kergoth | pfft |
| 04:56:42 | riskable | Is Aethera going to be able to Sync with the Z? |
| 04:57:04 | BigBoss | I don't know who grabs for debian |
| 04:57:20 | kergoth | hmm |
| 04:57:33 | BigBoss | as far as the Z - we are probably going to port Aethera to the Z and make the multi-platform desktop version a replacement for the qtopia desktop |
| 04:57:41 | kergoth | is there a good kde openpgp keyring manager? |
| 04:57:54 | kergoth | BigBoss: that would be cool |
| 04:58:01 | riskable | Wow, that sounds like quite a project |
| 04:58:10 | BigBoss | it's about 70% done already |
| 04:58:56 | riskable | Still, it'd be nice to just have it plain ol' sync with the Z |
| 04:59:16 | IN-Z | ah zic |
| 05:00:00 | Eupolis | hm. yet more software for me to try. |
| 05:00:07 | BigBoss | 'splain what kind of sync you want pacifically |
| 05:01:14 | riskable | Just address book, calendar |
| 05:02:21 | BigBoss | ok, but the qtopia desktop sucks, as do the address book and calendar on the Z |
| 05:02:27 | riskable | Yep |
| 05:02:28 | BigBoss | wouldn't a complete solution be good? |
| 05:02:43 | riskable | Yep |
| 05:02:44 | riskable | hehe |
| 05:03:00 | riskable | Just make sure it can import the old data =) |
| 05:03:38 | Eupolis | I'd be surprised if someone tried to introduce software that couldn't. :) |
| 05:04:08 | BigBoss | that's what we always do - we work in a vacuum :) |
| 05:04:54 | riskable | Just making sure :) |
| 05:05:07 | riskable | I'd hate to have to re-enter all my stuff (ahem! Qtopia desktop SUCKS!) |
| 05:06:54 | Eupolis | I'd like to see a good e-mail client on the z. this comes as no surprise of course if I note that I'm one of the guys who keeps pointing out on zaurus-general that a good email client is needed |
| 05:07:06 | BigBoss | that would also be aethera |
| 05:07:24 | riskable | theKompany has a solution for everything, apparently =) |
| 05:07:39 | Eupolis | I'm d/ling the desktop version right now to play with... I'm confined to a dialup connection, though, so I've got half an hour to wait |
| 05:08:29 | riskable | I recently screwed over my kde install on my laptop. png aren't showing up so everything looks damn ugly. It's my fault though. Tried to force an upgrade from 2.2.1 to 2.2.2 using Mandrake cooker RPMs (sigh) |
| 05:09:09 | riskable | I know it has to do with the version of libpng I'm using, but I know if I upgrade it, I'll break everything else. So I'm stuck with GNOME until my Mandrake 8.2 DVD arrives |
| 05:09:25 | riskable | GNOME blows. I miss Klipper too much |
| 05:09:50 | riskable | Speaking of which, copying & pasting between apps on the Z needs to work better! |
| 05:10:06 | riskable | I can copy & paste between some apps, but not others (ahem, tkcJabber) |
| 05:10:26 | Eupolis | I'm using debian woody. I'll probably move to sid soon after woody goes stable. I'll use kde3 whenever it comes to me, but I can say I'm looking forward to it. |
| 05:10:30 | BigBoss | there is a clipboard on the Z? |
| 05:10:35 | riskable | Yes |
| 05:10:39 | BigBoss | Eupolis: that is where I am |
| 05:10:57 | riskable | For instance, I copied & pasted a phone number that two people shared within my address book earlier today |
| 05:11:18 | riskable | Fn-C, close window, open new contact, Fn-V |
| 05:11:35 | riskable | Saves a lot of typing (and my poor memory) |
| 05:11:54 | riskable | If I could hit a quick key combo to pull up recent clipboard items like I can with Klipper in KDE, that'd be totally awesome |
| 05:12:38 | riskable | Anyway, on that thought, I'm going to hit the sack. Gotta work tomorrow and I've already lost an hour of sleep with this damn daylight savings time |
| 05:13:10 | BigBoss | fucking daylight savings time |
| 05:13:19 | BigBoss | you know why it started at the first of april? |
| 05:13:24 | BigBoss | the goddam BBQ lobbey |
| 05:13:29 | BigBoss | it use to start at the end of April |
| 05:13:32 | BigBoss | how stupid is that |
| 05:13:35 | riskable | LOL |
| 05:13:58 | finkployd | that is completly interesting and useless information :) |
| 05:14:08 | Eupolis | I wouldn't really think of that as being a powerful lobby interest... |
| 05:14:36 | riskable | See you blokes latah... I'm off to bed |
| 05:14:41 | Eupolis | I mean, the point of DST is to shift electricity peak usage around... |
| 05:14:45 | Eupolis | g'night |
| 05:15:00 | BigBoss | DST was originally called War Time |
| 05:15:11 | Eupolis | ... and it was going to start sometime |
| 05:15:12 | BigBoss | at one point in England during WWII they shifted clocks 2 hours |
| 05:15:25 | BigBoss | what is the point? just do everything 2 hours different |
| 05:16:18 | BigBoss | the whole thing is so stupid |
| 05:16:25 | BigBoss | why make it lighter when it is already light later? |
| 05:16:32 | kergoth | hehe |
| 05:16:33 | kergoth | no shit |
| 05:16:36 | BigBoss | if they followed their reasoning (less accidents) then do it in the winter |
| 05:16:46 | kergoth | argh! shit keeps segfaulting.. sometimes.. in kde3 |
| 05:17:01 | kergoth | wonder which of my libraries are fucked |
| 05:17:13 | Eupolis | the point is to leave more daylight in the evening and put lighting off until even later. of course, now that everyone is air-conditioned, it just means the A/C gets turned on earlier at home. |
| 05:17:27 | Eupolis | and stays on longer |
| 05:17:36 | BigBoss | yep - it's all total BS |
| 05:18:25 | kergoth | k, lets keep operating on the old time. lets be out of sync with the rest of the population in protest! |
| 05:18:26 | kergoth | ;-) |
| 05:18:29 | Eupolis | it'd arguably be better not to do DST, or even to do the reverse, so that people's houses are likely to be a bit cooler when they're at home. reduce evening power load in places like California. |
| 05:18:50 | BigBoss | which is where I live |
| 05:19:02 | Eupolis | hm. I'd miss all of my classes for the next month, fail, and not graduate. no thanks. |
| 05:19:15 | BigBoss | congress needs to spend just 10 years not passing any new laws but dismantiling stupid laws and outdated laws |
| 05:19:50 | BigBoss | that way they would at least feel like they were doing something instead of adding taxes to soda so that fat kids would be healthy |
| 05:20:56 | Eupolis | the power problem in California is because of California's government, not the feds. |
| 05:21:33 | BigBoss | no kidding |
| 05:21:38 | BigBoss | grey out davis strikes again |
| 05:22:45 | Eupolis | the purchasing plan they got into was one of the worst things they could have done. I'm not usually all rah-rah-free-market, but that was a bad idea |
| 05:23:50 | Eupolis | what they found out when they tried price caps is that it got dark. what they're going to find out with long term take-or-pay contracts is that taxes will go up. |
| 06:20:37 | BigBoss | anyone know where to find cheap MMC cards? |
| 06:20:51 | Eupolis | hm, the memory leak was in opie-today running on qtopia. maybe that's what I get for trying to run it on qtopia... |
| 06:23:08 | Eupolis | no idea. my sole z peripheral atm is a 64MB CF card. |
| 06:28:21 | BigBoss | what - no 640mb CF card? :) |
| 06:31:58 | Eupolis | I'm a poor student. Unloading $500 on the Z was difficult enough. :) |
| 06:35:34 | Eupolis | ok, let's see... libqt3-mt-dev breaks libqt3-emb-dev, at least according to aptitude... |
| 06:36:05 | Eupolis | I don't need emb-dev just yet, but I'll want it eventually... |
| 06:36:14 | Eupolis | eh, I'll sort it out later |
| 06:36:15 | Jonmann | Then it's bruteforce. |
| 06:36:27 | Jonmann | The good ol' trick for broken deps. :) |
| 06:36:52 | bewmIES | holy shit arm-linux-gcc is fast as hell on this box |
| 06:37:05 | bewmIES | watches the scrollback |
| 06:38:58 | Eupolis | ugh, still an hour download. I'll just use aptitude and get the qt3 stuff I need along with an update tonight, and compile aethera tomorrow. (all this because I hate just untarring binary files at / as root) |
| 06:39:09 | scanline | is away: ZzZzZzzzzz |
| 07:05:52 | scanline | is back (gone 00:26:42) |
| 07:06:34 | NeoTron | evening |
| 07:11:23 | BigBoss | yo home girl |
| 07:15:23 | kergoth | heh |
| 07:15:28 | NeoTron | uh. ok. :P |
| 07:15:55 | NeoTron | Drool on this: http://david.hedbor.org/tmp/snapshot.png |
| 07:16:36 | kergoth | hah |
| 07:16:36 | kergoth | sweet |
| 07:16:43 | bewmIES | hah, that is cool |
| 07:17:12 | kergoth | hm, tronical's xmltree lib (part of libopie) is pretty useful |
| 07:20:27 | warmi | allright ... finally got around making Z package for my contest entry (puzz-le .. vexed like game ) |
| 07:20:38 | warmi | demo version available at www.warmi.net/zaurus |
| 08:41:18 | NeoTron | is away: snooze |
| 08:56:17 | Cam | hi there does anyone have an email addy for Ben Meyer of Sharp? |
| 09:03:31 | kendrick2 | warmi |
| 09:03:37 | warmi | hi |
| 09:03:38 | kendrick2 | vnc was on sourceforge, btw |
| 09:03:42 | kendrick2 | dunno if it was a new version |
| 09:03:47 | Cam | (got his addy now I think) |
| 09:03:50 | kendrick2 | i'm going through and adding all i can to sven's Zaurus Software Index |
| 09:04:02 | kendrick2 | unfortunately, so much of these software is "hosted" on frickin' ZaurusZone and SourceForge |
| 09:04:14 | kendrick2 | so the best I can give is URL to forum or 'file download page' entries >:^( |
| 09:04:15 | warmi | hah |
| 09:04:17 | kendrick2 | WEAK |
| 09:05:03 | warmi | zauruszone should be avoided as far as downloading/uploading software is concerned |
| 09:05:17 | kendrick2 | TOTALLY |
| 09:05:19 | kendrick2 | (sorry jason :) ) |
| 09:05:44 | Cam | I wonder what happened to the ASR of Zaurus? |
| 09:05:59 | warmi | altough, recently forums seem to work reasonably well |
| 09:06:04 | warmi | ASR ? |
| 09:06:14 | Cam | the Agenda Software Repository |
| 09:07:06 | warmi | damn |
| 09:07:35 | kendrick2 | cam - http://killefiz.dyndns.org/zaurus/ |
| 09:07:38 | warmi | today I saw Z 5500 in my local BestBuy .. |
| 09:07:42 | kendrick2 | that's where i'm submitting everything + kitchen sin kto |
| 09:07:46 | kendrick2 | we NEED a single place to find all software |
| 09:07:49 | kendrick2 | and handango ain't it |
| 09:07:54 | kendrick2 | (1) people seem hesitant to submit |
| 09:07:54 | warmi | it was just sitting there , under the glass with no price or any other info |
| 09:08:02 | kendrick2 | (2) there's NO categorization (at least, so far) |
| 09:08:18 | kendrick2 | warmi - zzone does not work well |
| 09:08:20 | kendrick2 | :) |
| 09:08:23 | warmi | kendric: why not handango ? |
| 09:08:27 | kendrick2 | like, it can't handle more than 2 requests at once |
| 09:08:32 | kendrick2 | warmi - see (1) and (2) ;) |
| 09:08:34 | Cam | http://www.zaurus.co.uk/ still says 'downloads area on the way' - looks like he missed the boat |
| 09:08:35 | warmi | categorization will follow |
| 09:08:51 | kendrick2 | cam - not a sharp site? |
| 09:08:51 | warmi | and people will upload once the contest is over |
| 09:09:07 | kendrick2 | OH! THIS ASR for Zaurus ;) "The requested URL /cgi-bin/asr.cgi was not found on this server." |
| 09:09:10 | warmi | handango is well known name in PDA world |
| 09:09:14 | Cam | kendrick2: nope it's a community individual possibly trademark infringing ;-) |
| 09:09:20 | kendrick2 | warmi - yeah, but currently not too well-known in zaurus land |
| 09:09:41 | kendrick2 | (and ugh, handango runs on microsoft servers :) ) |
| 09:09:56 | kendrick2 | http://handango.com/sharp/ <-- how do i categorize? |
| 09:10:01 | kendrick2 | how do i show what's "New"? |
| 09:10:08 | kendrick2 | where do i go to ADD a new app!? :) |
| 09:10:23 | kendrick2 | *sigh* |
| 09:10:31 | warmi | you need to sign |
| 09:10:42 | kendrick2 | ok! so see #1 ;) |
| 09:10:42 | warmi | I just did that toady |
| 09:10:58 | kendrick2 | Joe Hacker working on graphing calculator replacement #3 won't want to be bothered with that |
| 09:11:45 | warmi | well, I am not saying handango will be the ultimate place ... just another options, mostly visited by people not familiar with Linux ( reviewers, new users looking for software etc ) |
| 09:12:04 | kendrick2 | warmi - i know. :^( |
| 09:12:16 | warmi | kendrick: which time-zone are you in ? |
| 09:12:17 | kendrick2 | hence "the damned pda only has 28 apps" :) |
| 09:12:24 | kendrick2 | warmi - PST (GMT-0800) |
| 09:12:30 | warmi | it is frigging 4:15 am here :-) |
| 09:12:32 | kendrick2 | soon to be PDT (GMT-0700, no?) |
| 09:12:41 | kendrick2 | so you're 2hrs ahead? ;) |
| 09:12:42 | kendrick2 | hehe |
| 09:12:48 | warmi | yeah, Chicago |
| 09:13:15 | warmi | I was somewhat busy doing stuff on Z and ups ... it is almost morning |
| 09:15:03 | warmi_zzz | . |
| 09:16:12 | kendrick2 | nite ;) |
| 09:17:17 | Cam | kendrick2: I have a URL for the Z-SR uk site, do you want a screenshot (the URL has a password :( ) |
| 09:17:34 | scanline | is away: ZzZzZzzz again |
| 09:19:28 | kendrick2 | err.. screenshot? |
| 09:20:08 | Cam | never mind, it's basically not ready. It has the same design as the rest of the zaurus.co.uk site and is not populated with much s/w |
| 09:20:45 | Cam | I think the guy lost the wind from his sails when the list criticised his light-blue on white theme |
| 09:21:17 | kendrick2 | i dont even remember that :) |
| 09:21:59 | Cam | On a separate topic... I mailed Ben Meyer suggesting a set of User Interface Guidelines for the Zaurus |
| 09:22:22 | Cam | that should kill the criticism of apps being hard to use etc\ |
| 09:23:05 | kendrick2 | :) |
| 09:23:07 | kendrick2 | Ben == troll? |
| 09:23:17 | Cam | Sharp contractor |
| 09:23:46 | Cam | I suggested a 'sticker approval' programme, so the apps that conform could show a 'Zaurus Enhanced' logo or something |
| 09:24:42 | Cam | I'm going to put effort into my contest app to make sure it's button-navigatable |
| 09:26:38 | kendrick2 | kewl |
| 09:26:41 | kendrick2 | what's your app again? (sorry ;) ) |
| 09:27:06 | Cam | powerchord |
| 09:27:48 | kendrick2 | oh shit yeah |
| 09:27:49 | kendrick2 | hehe |
| 09:27:54 | kendrick2 | gpl'ing, or? |
| 09:28:00 | kendrick2 | gonna support headphones? >:^) |
| 09:29:51 | LarryGarfield | hello |
| 09:30:51 | LarryGarfield | No one awake, eh |
| 09:31:03 | kendrick2 | sure |
| 09:31:06 | kendrick2 | cam & i at least |
| 09:31:14 | Cam | gpl yes |
| 09:31:15 | kendrick2 | busy adding as much as i can to zaurus software index for sven >:^) |
| 09:31:19 | LarryGarfield | ah, hi. |
| 09:31:23 | kendrick2 | poor guy's gonna be overwhelmed due to me ;) |
| 09:31:34 | Cam | I might sell an enhanced version on cd with a manual |
| 09:31:35 | LarryGarfield | is using jabber in his Z |
| 09:32:48 | kendrick2 | cool |
| 09:32:48 | LarryGarfield | Not bad, but needs work |
| 09:33:16 | Cam | kendrick2: my app needs headphones and microphone, it won't do audio without them |
| 09:33:21 | LarryGarfield | Still havent gotten onto AIM or ICQ yet |
| 09:33:43 | | kendrick2: excuse me? |
| 09:33:43 | kendrick2 | ibot: neocall |
| 09:33:44 | | kendrick2: excuse me? |
| 09:33:44 | kendrick2 | ibot: neocal |
| 09:33:52 | kendrick2 | cam - oh... |
| 09:33:58 | kendrick2 | didn't the agenda one use the speaker? |
| 09:34:12 | LarryGarfield | And finding mor characters missing from the thumbboard. :-) |
| 09:34:28 | kendrick2 | like what? |
| 09:34:32 | kendrick2 | all i've missed so far is \ |
| 09:35:07 | LarryGarfield | Hold on, found 'em |
| 09:35:24 | Cam | kendrick2: the agenda one didn't do audio at all, though I might do a back port. Right now just reading the Agenda mic hangs the VR3 |
| 09:35:42 | LarryGarfield | oops. |
| 09:36:03 | LarryGarfield | someone pm me, please |
| 09:36:55 | kendrick2 | <LarryGarfield> Sorry, I do not support Private Messages right now |
| 09:37:00 | kendrick2 | hehe |
| 09:37:05 | kendrick2 | will stick to ZIC for now ;) |
| 09:37:10 | LarryGarfield | geez, this thing is getting hot... |
| 09:37:17 | LarryGarfield | ZIC? |
| 09:37:59 | kendrick2 | Zaurus IRC Client |
| 09:38:06 | LarryGarfield | ah |
| 09:38:13 | kendrick2 | lacks multiple server support, and 'this channel/person said something' support |
| 09:38:23 | kendrick2 | so i gotta page through all the tabs every once in a while |
| 09:39:22 | LarryGarfield | tkcJabber is jumping to an incoming message, even when I don't want it to |
| 09:42:32 | Cam | cya later |
| 09:44:12 | LarryGarfield | grrr |
| 09:46:01 | LarryGarfield | mumble |
| 10:08:05 | kendrick2 | re |
| 11:19:43 | msdina | kappa: hi.. how tkcJabber for you? |
| 13:06:39 | riskable | Howdy folks |
| 13:28:13 | Twiun[busy] | Howdy |
| 13:32:00 | | javachess is at http://www.octabotix.com/sl/index.html |
| 13:32:00 | Twiun | ibot: where is javachess |
| 13:37:32 | ljp-- | is chess dejected because he lost to an unthinking electronic device |
| 13:58:06 | NetAmp | riskable: whoa, that sure filled up my E-mail Inbox *lol* ;) |
| 14:01:23 | riskable | LOL |
| 14:01:31 | riskable | I'm adding downloads at the moment |
| 14:01:48 | George- | hmm? |
| 14:02:02 | riskable | That was meant for NetAmp |
| 14:02:14 | riskable | I launched a new Zaurus site last night: http://Zaurus.LovesLinux.com |
| 14:02:31 | riskable | NetAmp helped me with the web links section =) |
| 14:02:40 | riskable | I'm now adding downloads |
| 14:07:23 | JasonNJ2 | morning |
| 14:07:24 | Twiun | Hey Jason |
| 14:07:28 | riskable | Morning |
| 14:08:43 | George- | bbl |
| 14:38:53 | kergoth`zzz | what the heck am i doing awake this early |
| 14:39:44 | JasonNJ2 | dunno |
| 14:39:54 | JasonNJ2 | I'm up kinda early for a sunday |
| 14:40:04 | JasonNJ2 | I usually would be just waking up about now |
| 14:40:10 | JasonNJ2 | but I woke up at 7 |
| 14:40:20 | kergoth | yeah, thats pretty early for a sunday alright |
| 14:40:23 | JasonNJ2 | cause I slept for like 4 hours yesterday afternoon |
| 14:40:34 | JasonNJ2 | fell asleep in front of the tv set |
| 14:40:52 | JasonNJ2 | catching up on my z's |
| 14:41:04 | JasonNJ2 | you guys give me too much sleep deprivation |
| 14:41:10 | kergoth | hah |
| 14:41:12 | JasonNJ2 | that and corresponding with japan all the time |
| 14:41:30 | JasonNJ2 | I may actually have to fly out there shortly |
| 14:41:44 | Twiun | Going to knock some heads? |
| 14:41:46 | kergoth | really? what for? |
| 14:41:47 | kergoth | hah |
| 14:41:49 | JasonNJ2 | yeah basically |
| 14:42:06 | JasonNJ2 | although I think mossberg did plenty of knocking |
| 14:42:11 | JasonNJ2 | we gotta fix the syncing big time |
| 14:42:15 | riskable | I have excuse to be up early: I'm at work :P |
| 14:42:24 | kergoth | riskable: good excuse :-) |
| 14:42:39 | riskable | I'm at work, doing something completely not work-related |
| 14:42:41 | riskable | ...as usual |
| 14:42:44 | kergoth | hah |
| 14:42:45 | kergoth | slacker |
| 14:42:46 | kergoth | ;-) |
| 14:42:59 | riskable | Well, I'm working on my Zaurus site, so don't complain :P |
| 14:43:05 | kergoth | heheh |
| 14:43:09 | riskable | Added a whole bunch of downloads this morning |
| 14:43:18 | kergoth | did you? nice. i'll have to take a look |
| 14:44:02 | riskable | I can't stand browsing ZaurusZone for files... Slow, annoying errors, and the authors just post files (no link to their home pages or anywhere else to download them) |
| 14:44:27 | JasonNJ2 | risk: yes that is the primary weakness |
| 14:44:37 | JasonNJ2 | it didnt use to be that way |
| 14:44:44 | JasonNJ2 | but the site was costing me too much money |
| 14:44:51 | JasonNJ2 | had to move it to somewhere else |
| 14:44:56 | riskable | Now that the Z is mainstream, ZZ needs to be replaced. Hopefully I can fill the void =) |
| 14:44:57 | JasonNJ2 | I am getting a new host for it soon |
| 14:45:07 | JasonNJ2 | and will run it on sourceforge |
| 14:45:14 | riskable | Sourceforge==GOOD! |
| 14:45:20 | Twiun | riskable: Are you going to put some kind of "liveliness" indicator to the downloads? |
| 14:45:23 | JasonNJ2 | the actual sourceforge software |
| 14:45:29 | JasonNJ2 | but tuned as a download site |
| 14:45:32 | JasonNJ2 | wont have any CVS |
| 14:45:35 | riskable | liveliness? |
| 14:45:52 | Twiun | If you're linking externally - basically saying if the link is dead/alive |
| 14:45:53 | JasonNJ2 | ZZ does not need to be replaced, it needs to be FIXED |
| 14:46:01 | riskable | Ahh yes, I understand now |
| 14:46:13 | JasonNJ2 | riskable may I suggest you make the fonts bigger |
| 14:46:17 | JasonNJ2 | you have too much wasted space |
| 14:46:18 | Twiun | and how long it's been dead for instance |
| 14:47:06 | riskable | Well, my site's downloads modules was built with the problem you're suggesing in mind: Users can report broken downloads right from where the links are (and they pop up in the admin section), also, there's a utility to check the downloads |
| 14:47:52 | riskable | JasonNJ2: I plan to make the fonts a bit bigger in some sections. Current progress is towards making the site more useful. Then come the looks :) |
| 14:47:58 | Twiun | Right - but it's not automated, is it? (I mean periodic non-attended checks) |
| 14:48:16 | riskable | No, it's semi-automated =) |
| 14:48:22 | riskable | It asks me if it hasn't been done in a while |
| 14:48:23 | riskable | hehehe |
| 14:48:31 | Twiun | Ahhhh |
| 14:49:19 | riskable | I just tested it out... All downloads appear to be working correctly =) |
| 14:51:40 | riskable | BTW: I didn't mean for ZZ to be replaced, just the ikonboard |
| 14:51:51 | JasonNJ2 | it will be replaced |
| 14:51:56 | JasonNJ2 | with Invision Board |
| 14:52:00 | JasonNJ2 | thats PhP based |
| 14:52:04 | JasonNJ2 | and runs mysql |
| 14:52:05 | riskable | Cool |
| 14:52:12 | JasonNJ2 | ikonboard 3 does not and its perl based |
| 14:52:18 | JasonNJ2 | check out www.ibforums.com |
| 14:52:19 | riskable | PHP+MySQL is such a killer combo |
| 14:52:20 | JasonNJ2 | very fast |
| 14:52:29 | JasonNJ2 | same guys who designed ikonboard |
| 14:52:36 | JasonNJ2 | but went off to do their own thing |
| 14:53:10 | JasonNJ2 | invision board will be ready in a few weeks |
| 14:53:14 | JasonNJ2 | then zz will have it |
| 14:53:28 | JasonNJ2 | the downloads section will be managed by SourceForge 2.6 |
| 14:53:30 | riskable | Awesome |
| 14:53:32 | JasonNJ2 | but it will be highly tweaked |
| 14:53:48 | JasonNJ2 | wont have developer stuff on it |
| 14:53:52 | JasonNJ2 | strictly downloads |
| 14:53:59 | JasonNJ2 | sharp will have its own sourceforge |
| 14:54:07 | JasonNJ2 | two different projects I am working on |
| 14:56:37 | riskable | That'd be good for Sharp to be on SourceForge |
| 14:56:48 | JasonNJ2 | yep |
| 14:57:00 | JasonNJ2 | will be able to host projects and stuff |
| 14:57:15 | riskable | I would so LOVE to update/fix some bugs in the default Z ROM :) |
| 14:57:20 | JasonNJ2 | zz will strictly be and enduser site |
| 14:57:45 | JasonNJ2 | it was always intended to be enduser |
| 14:57:50 | JasonNJ2 | but had to start out as a developer site |
| 14:58:23 | riskable | The intention for my site is for the geeks... Regardless of developer/end-user status. |
| 14:58:40 | JasonNJ2 | we can use plenty of Z sites |
| 14:58:43 | JasonNJ2 | the more the better |
| 14:58:49 | JasonNJ2 | palm and pocketpc have plenty |
| 14:58:57 | riskable | I wouldn't expect Joe user who bought the Z for the keyboard, to really enjoy my site :) |
| 15:03:55 | riskable | I DO hope to fill the void of news announcements. For instance, where does a small software developer go, currently, to announce his product to the community? |
| 15:04:27 | Twiun | I used ZZ, #zaurus and zaurus-general |
| 15:04:38 | JasonNJ2 | ZZ will have news |
| 15:04:44 | riskable | Cool |
| 15:04:47 | JasonNJ2 | it will have sourceforge's news feature |
| 15:05:09 | riskable | When's the switch happening? When the new board software is ready? |
| 15:05:09 | JasonNJ2 | thus every developer with a registered software product will be able to post news |
| 15:05:28 | JasonNJ2 | yes when the new software is ready. I dont want to ditch all the current posts |
| 15:05:45 | JasonNJ2 | plus I want to do the forums and the sourceforge at the same time |
| 15:05:47 | JasonNJ2 | on a new box |
| 15:06:14 | riskable | Let me know when you're ready to go... so I can post the news to my site :) |
| 15:06:28 | JasonNJ2 | if you want we can figure out a way to swap feeds |
| 15:06:33 | JasonNJ2 | like the osdn sites do |
| 15:06:48 | riskable | I can setup a loveslinux.com news account that goes to both of us |
| 15:07:30 | riskable | I could setup my site to email that account whenever there's a news submission |
| 15:08:00 | riskable | That takes care of my end :) |
| 15:08:38 | riskable | Hey, does SourceForge support a back-end interface for newsfeeds? |
| 15:08:45 | JasonNJ2 | yes I think so |
| 15:08:51 | JasonNJ2 | and if not, I'm not worried about it |
| 15:09:02 | JasonNJ2 | becuase the guy who designed sourceforge is doing the install |
| 15:09:11 | JasonNJ2 | and if I want something added he will do it. :) |
| 15:09:18 | riskable | ...because I can setup RSS blocks on my site. Have your news right on the side at all times |
| 15:09:23 | JasonNJ2 | fusion94 is the sourceforge author |
| 15:09:38 | JasonNJ2 | just started his own company |
| 15:09:42 | JasonNJ2 | www.isquare.org |
| 15:10:28 | riskable | Interesting |
| 15:10:35 | riskable | SF competition :) |
| 15:10:51 | JasonNJ2 | well, its the ORIGINAL SF guys. |
| 15:11:25 | riskable | I should've said VA competition |
| 15:11:49 | JasonNJ2 | they are tweaking SF to be much more streamlined |
| 15:12:21 | JasonNJ2 | check out dev.pingid.org |
| 15:12:30 | JasonNJ2 | thats one of their first installs |
| 15:13:06 | catalin | hey Jason |
| 15:13:16 | riskable | is looking at it now |
| 15:13:27 | JasonNJ2 | they are still working on the aesthetic elements |
| 15:13:40 | JasonNJ2 | will be the dev site for Jabber's PingID project |
| 15:13:40 | riskable | Yeah, could use a little designer's flair |
| 15:13:52 | JasonNJ2 | hey catalin |
| 15:15:22 | catalin | seen this yet: http://killefiz.de/zaurus/ ? |
| 15:15:54 | riskable | Nice |
| 15:17:00 | catalin | yup |
| 15:17:22 | riskable | That's going to make my life easier (adding downloads to zaurus.loveslinux.com) |
| 15:17:25 | riskable | I'm adding a link to your site now |
| 15:17:37 | catalin | it's not my site :) |
| 15:17:44 | riskable | Oh |
| 15:18:20 | catalin | however, I just talked to the author and pointed him to http://www.kamidake.org - a much better interface IMO |
| 15:20:27 | JasonNJ2 | what exactly is AtheOS |
| 15:20:41 | catalin | it's a free OS |
| 15:21:17 | catalin | very much like BeOS, but more posix compliant |
| 15:22:05 | JasonNJ2 | so its unixy then |
| 15:22:33 | catalin | yes, you can get a bash prompt and most console apps work with a recompile |
| 15:22:48 | riskable | Man, I loved BeOS back in the day |
| 15:22:55 | riskable | Ran it on my PowerMac 7500 :) |
| 15:23:42 | catalin | however, part of the gui is in kernel space, it's heavily multithreaded and the FHS is closer to OS X than to Linux/Unix |
| 15:24:19 | JasonNJ2 | the gui is in kernel space? |
| 15:24:20 | JasonNJ2 | yikes |
| 15:25:21 | riskable | Wowza |
| 15:25:22 | catalin | no yikes at all :). the display drivers are in kernel space whole the appserver is a separate app |
| 15:25:33 | catalin | s/whole/while |
| 15:27:29 | JasonNJ2 | ah ok |
| 15:27:42 | JasonNJ2 | maybe I'll try it on one of my spare boxes |
| 15:30:17 | riskable | Note to self: Need "spare" boxes |
| 15:33:07 | ljp-- | you wouldn't want my spare boxes... |
| 15:37:03 | JasonNJ2 | http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/095/metro/Professor_s_time_travel_idea_fires_up_the_imaginationP.shtml |
| 15:37:14 | JasonNJ2 | that guy has to be on crack |
| 15:38:48 | George- | JasonNJ: hehe |
| 15:41:11 | catalin | I hate time travel. It gives me this splitting headache each time I use it\ |
| 15:41:47 | JasonNJ2 | not unlike eating too much cheap chinese food then? |
| 15:42:04 | JasonNJ2 | do they have chinese food in romania? |
| 15:42:21 | catalin | now seriously, time travel is the last thing Corporate America(TM) needs. Imagine companies traveling back to the past and patenting all kind of common stuff we take for granted today |
| 15:42:45 | catalin | Jason: yes we do, but I never tried it |
| 15:43:00 | JasonNJ2 | oh crap |
| 15:43:04 | JasonNJ2 | its 11:45! |
| 15:43:10 | JasonNJ2 | I tohught it was 10:45!!! |
| 15:43:37 | George- | JasonNJ2: haha |
| 15:43:48 | JasonNJ2 | blasted daylight savings time |
| 15:44:02 | JasonNJ2 | catalin: I take it you stick with McVlad's |
| 15:44:12 | catalin | lol |
| 15:44:22 | JasonNJ2 | romanian fast food chains must be weird |
| 15:44:35 | JasonNJ2 | Skirt Steaks R Us |
| 15:45:00 | riskable | LOL |
| 15:45:29 | catalin | nah, McDonald's sell the same kind of junk here as everywhere |
| 15:45:35 | JasonNJ2 | hmm |
| 15:45:43 | JasonNJ2 | they dont have a DraculaBurger? |
| 15:45:48 | catalin | nope |
| 15:46:04 | JasonNJ2 | Transylvanian food is probably cool |
| 15:46:15 | JasonNJ2 | that would be a neat ethnic restaurant to have here |
| 15:46:24 | JasonNJ2 | probably a lot like russian food though |
| 15:46:37 | JasonNJ2 | or polish |
| 15:46:38 | catalin | yup |
| 15:49:00 | catalin | the food varies a lot by the region. ie. people that live in south have food that makes me puke only thinking of it :) |
| 15:50:01 | kergoth | i love having color ls on the Z |
| 15:51:23 | ljp-- | huh? really? |
| 15:51:33 | kergoth | yeah. |
| 15:51:36 | kergoth | new version of busybox in oz 3 |
| 15:51:40 | kergoth | niftiness |
| 15:51:53 | kergoth | afk |
| 15:56:13 | NetAmp | heh, cool, I'm gonna be famous |
| 15:56:19 | NetAmp | my name's on the Z portal ;) |
| 15:56:55 | NetAmp | riskable: nice work, good that you're using that software category icon ;-) |
| 15:57:08 | NetAmp | heh |
| 15:59:30 | codemnky | hello zaurus geeks |
| 15:59:40 | NetAmp | hiya codemnky, what's up ;) |
| 15:59:56 | codemnky | nothing, lost my job (sorta) on friday |
| 16:00:21 | NetAmp | :( |
| 16:00:24 | NetAmp | that sucks |
| 16:00:38 | scanline | is back (gone 05:24:33) |
| 16:00:50 | codemnky | yea, i knew it was coming - but now it's sinking in |
| 16:00:50 | JasonNJ2 | kergoth when is OZ 3 going to be ready for testing? |
| 16:01:06 | JasonNJ2 | teh sharp internal folks are REALLY interested in looking at it now |
| 16:01:24 | NetAmp | (show them the mascot ;) |
| 16:01:30 | kergoth | JasonNJ2: most likely a prerelease today. |
| 16:01:34 | JasonNJ2 | code: who did you work for? linux company? |
| 16:01:37 | kergoth | JasonNJ2: its really coming together at this point |
| 16:01:43 | JasonNJ2 | kergoth excellent |
| 16:01:45 | kergoth | codemnky: ah shit.. whats going on? |
| 16:01:49 | JasonNJ2 | can you whip up a 5500 kernel? |
| 16:01:52 | kergoth | yep |
| 16:01:59 | JasonNJ2 | work on that with bipolar |
| 16:02:01 | JasonNJ2 | he has a 55 |
| 16:02:06 | kergoth | yep, i know. will do |
| 16:02:19 | JasonNJ2 | going to get you one this week |
| 16:02:23 | NetAmp | kergoth: you finally got busybox to do what YOU want? ;) |
| 16:02:26 | JasonNJ2 | when some of our samples come back |
| 16:02:39 | kergoth | JasonNJ2: k, cool |
| 16:02:43 | kergoth | NetAmp: yes, it likes me now :-) |
| 16:03:51 | JasonNJ2 | so OZ3 has the latest Opie in it? |
| 16:04:56 | ljp-- | kergoth: are you going to do the whole rom, or just initrd.bin? |
| 16:05:21 | kergoth | JasonNJ2: yes.. but there are some qwuirks to be worked out in both opie and oz prior to release |
| 16:05:28 | kergoth | ljp--: initrd.bin + associated kernels |
| 16:05:38 | kergoth | ljp--: theres no need to for me to flash the bootloaders |
| 16:05:42 | kergoth | s/bootloaders/bootloader/ |
| 16:06:30 | ljp-- | oh, so your also doing the kernel, eh? hhnnmmmmm |
| 16:08:14 | JasonNJ2 | whardier do any work on OZ3? |
| 16:08:18 | JasonNJ2 | I know he has been very busy |
| 16:09:26 | riskable | I am proud to announce that I've populated the Downloads section on Zaurus.LovesLinux.com |
| 16:10:34 | kergoth | JasonNJ2: nothing much in quite some time. he's been busy, as you say |
| 16:11:14 | kergoth | ljp--: yes. just a modified configuration for the most part.. along with bzflag's jffs2 patch and mtd driver.. our boot logo |
| 16:11:26 | kergoth | ljp--: I'm going to look into applying LPP to the kernel as well |
| 16:11:29 | ljp-- | kergoth: does OZ build grab opie cvs? |
| 16:11:36 | kergoth | ljp--: it will.. |
| 16:11:44 | kergoth | ljp--: for the moment i install from an internal ipk feed |
| 16:11:59 | kergoth | ljp--: not part of the buildsystem yet, just installed into the fs with ipkg |
| 16:12:29 | ljp-- | it would be nice if it grabbed it, but also could be a little dangerous |
| 16:12:54 | ljp-- | well, just that it may or maynot build |
| 16:13:30 | BigBoss | happy DST |
| 16:13:50 | kergoth | ljp--: imho, we need to split the cvs into a seperate branch for approaching release.. as zecke has brought up |
| 16:14:11 | kergoth | ljp--: having it build from the approaching release branch would be fine... |
| 16:15:06 | ljp-- | heh stable vs unstable.. |
| 16:16:15 | kergoth | basically.. it'll allow us to balance the items that oliver mentioned in a recent ML posting.. regarding the 'eternal open source beta status' |
| 16:16:28 | kergoth | so that we can improve stability and create a version thats in less flux |
| 16:16:51 | ][N-Flux | does the sid player work now if anoynew knows? |
| 16:17:06 | riskable | I thought so? It's available for download |
| 16:17:10 | catalin | influx: yes it does |
| 16:17:22 | ][N-Flux | catalin: rock |
| 16:17:29 | riskable | http://zaurus.loveslinux.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=Downloads&file=index&req=viewsdownload&sid=16 |
| 16:17:31 | ][N-Flux | it used to have a bug |
| 16:17:49 | riskable | Yeah, some products are like that |
| 16:18:05 | ][N-Flux | catalin: how's the mod player, that was yours right? |
| 16:18:17 | riskable | Does the mod player have a web page? |
| 16:18:39 | catalin | riskable: http://www.climov.com/zaurus/modplayer/ |
| 16:19:05 | ljp-- | hmmm stability... thats interesting... :) |
| 16:19:09 | catalin | influx: http://www.climov.com/zaurus/modplayer/modplayer_0.9.2-d1_arm.ipk |
| 16:19:29 | ][N-Flux | excellent |
| 16:20:38 | BigBoss | you know we were talking about dimming the display during audio playback to conserve battery |
| 16:20:50 | BigBoss | well if you got the timer for the display set short, it will dim on its own and keep playing |
| 16:20:57 | BigBoss | no real reason to do anything specific |
| 16:21:08 | catalin | wrong |
| 16:21:10 | killefiz | BigBoss: Turn it _off_ |
| 16:21:59 | catalin | bb: dimming the display != turning the display off (which was the actual requested feature) |
| 16:22:30 | ][N-Flux | catalin: how is your mame port speed wise |
| 16:22:53 | BigBoss | well did you find out how to turn it off? |
| 16:23:06 | catalin | influx: depends on the game. from decent to unplayable |
| 16:23:48 | warmi | hi |
| 16:23:52 | NetAmp | hi |
| 16:35:49 | BigBoss | just found a good warning message on the Z |
| 16:36:02 | BigBoss | "The memory smacks of shortage. Please save data." |
| 16:38:35 | ljp-- | heh- you just now found that? |
| 16:40:54 | ljp-- | too bad there's only 5 levels of battery charge |
| 16:42:10 | ljp-- | kergoth: would you mind adding the microemacs package to OZ? |
| 16:42:53 | tux_mike | ljp--: you and your emacs |
| 16:43:14 | BigBoss | emacs is the only editor on linux that I can deal with |
| 16:43:17 | BigBoss | vi is voodoo :) |
| 16:43:26 | BigBoss | but tkcEditor is so much easier and smaller :) |
| 16:43:55 | kergoth | hehe. right now its busybox vi |
| 16:43:59 | kerny|home | BigBoss: Did you get my feedback on tkcJabber? |
| 16:44:00 | tux_mike | and what's wrong with voodoo *pulls out a voodoo doll* |
| 16:44:01 | kergoth | ljp--: how large is it? |
| 16:44:10 | ][N-Flux | BigBoss: always the salesman ;) |
| 16:44:28 | tux_mike | BigBoss: what's this tkcPlayer i hear of? |
| 16:44:38 | riskable | tkcMediaCenter :) |
| 16:45:04 | riskable | There will be news announcements at http://Zaurus.LovesLinux.com when the new tkc apps are available =) |
| 16:45:29 | ][N-Flux | catalin: you still around, looking at yer page, and wondering how useable qpose it atm |
| 16:45:53 | BigBoss | there are two |
| 16:45:59 | BigBoss | tkcPlayer and tkcMediaPlayer |
| 16:46:11 | tux_mike | and they are? :) |
| 16:46:13 | BigBoss | kerny: I think I did |
| 16:47:19 | BigBoss | Player does ogg and mp3 files - listening to ogg on it right now (sweet) |
| 16:47:23 | tux_mike | really needs toi finish his address book before OZ3 is out |
| 16:47:26 | BigBoss | worlds first portable ogg player |
| 16:47:40 | |ep0ch| | BB: you got .ogg working? |
| 16:47:43 | BigBoss | MediaCenter does ogg and mp3 and mod as well as streaming ogg and mp3 and later will do video |
| 16:47:44 | riskable | I've been playing oggs on my laptop for a while now |
| 16:47:51 | ljp-- | kergoth: emacs bin is 110068, libtermcap.so.2 is16040 |
| 16:47:51 | killefiz | BigBoss: Release it, then ;) |
| 16:47:52 | riskable | It's portable =) |
| 16:47:58 | BigBoss | indeed we did, and the cpu consumption is almost half what mp3 is |
| 16:48:00 | tux_mike | BigBoss: sweet. did you use the int ogg library, or are you useing the standard one with floats? |
| 16:48:03 | |ep0ch| | I'd love to have .ogg on my zaurus |
| 16:48:10 | kergoth | ljp--: hmm.. it requires termcap? |
| 16:48:22 | BigBoss | just doing QA on Player right now, should have it up by Tuesday |
| 16:48:30 | BigBoss | MediaCenter is maybe a week or so later |
| 16:48:47 | tux_mike | BigBoss: how much you targeting media center? |
| 16:49:00 | BigBoss | 14.95 for media center, 9.95 for player |
| 16:49:03 | ljp-- | kergoth: yep |
| 16:49:07 | tux_mike | kerny|home: any more progress on oz3? |
| 16:49:12 | tux_mike | kergoth even |
| 16:49:21 | BigBoss | we're using the cursor control for volume, track advance, back, and the center button for pause/play |
| 16:49:23 | kergoth | ljp--: grr. |
| 16:49:26 | kergoth | tux_mike: yes, getting there |
| 16:49:44 | killefiz | hmm ... are you offering a discount on mediaplayer for player buyers? |
| 16:49:48 | tux_mike | BigBoss: cool. i need a better media player, one that does streams :) |
| 16:50:00 | ljp-- | if not, I guess jffs allows write, eh? |
| 16:50:10 | kergoth | yep |
| 16:50:18 | kergoth | at the very least, it'll be in the OZ feed ;-) |
| 16:50:31 | BigBoss | tux: then wait a week or so and pick up tkcMediaCenter :) |
| 16:50:36 | ljp-- | whats wrong with libtermcap? |
| 16:50:51 | kergoth | just sick of numerous additional dependencies |
| 16:50:51 | kergoth | hehe |
| 16:50:53 | tux_mike | yah, i should still have the money around then. being broke sucks. |
| 16:50:55 | kergoth | if i have room, i'll put them in |
| 16:51:36 | ljp-- | and I suppose vi comes with no dependencies? |
| 16:51:54 | kergoth | ljp--: its busybox vi. so no |
| 16:52:20 | ljp-- | vi's in busybox? |
| 16:52:28 | kergoth | yep |
| 16:52:40 | kergoth | at least, in the busybox I built .. i left a number of things enabled |
| 16:52:51 | ljp-- | ahhh |
| 16:52:53 | tux_mike | kerny|home: how big is the box? |
| 16:52:55 | riskable | Someone needs to port vim |
| 16:53:11 | tux_mike | riskable: it's in the familiar feed |
| 16:53:29 | kerny|home | tux_mike: http://www.gurulabs.com/files/qube3.jpg |
| 16:53:40 | dauxxx | i have port joe to Z :-)) |
| 16:53:55 | BigBoss | yea, I can do Joe |
| 16:54:21 | scanline | is away: food |
| 16:54:36 | kergoth | i used to use pico all the time before i switched to vi/vim |
| 16:54:39 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:54:58 | tux_mike | kerny|home: i've seen those. they is cool :) |
| 16:55:16 | tux_mike | kergoth: i used pico (wanted to shoot it every day) until i switched :) |
| 16:55:19 | riskable | I'm a pico->vi user myself |
| 16:55:30 | kergoth | so i had to add nano to the OZ buildsystem.. hehe |
| 16:55:35 | kergoth | seems like a common transition |
| 16:55:59 | riskable | kerny, man that's a sweet... |
| 16:56:04 | riskable | marker in that picture |
| 16:56:14 | riskable | Marks-a-lot makes a good product |
| 16:56:45 | riskable | hehehe ;) |
| 16:58:03 | tux_mike | slaps riskable with a large Unix manual |
| 16:58:30 | riskable | admires tux_mike's strenght to wield such a device |
| 16:58:44 | riskable | s/strenght/strength/g |
| 16:59:34 | kergoth | i love generating api docs from source |
| 16:59:36 | scanline | is back (gone 00:05:14) |
| 16:59:36 | kergoth | doxygen is nifty |
| 17:00:38 | kerny|home | That is my iptables firewall, dhcp, file server, IPSec VPN server for my home network. |
| 17:00:57 | riskable | tux_mike, from the looks of your picture it appears that you've setup your Cobalt Networks wireless device in a dorm room bathroom |
| 17:01:20 | kerny|home | I connect to my ISP via 802.11b (wireless ethernet), that PCI card is the box a Cisco 350 802.11b card. |
| 17:01:39 | kerny|home | It doesn't run the cobalt os though. It runs Red Hat 7.2. |
| 17:01:47 | riskable | Interesting |
| 17:02:11 | riskable | ...but you haven't stated whether that is indeed a dorm room bathroom or not |
| 17:02:25 | tux_mike | riskable: i don't have a cobalt, that was kerney's picture :) |
| 17:02:28 | kerny|home | My house. |
| 17:02:37 | riskable | Ahh, Kenny's |
| 17:02:57 | kerny|home | http://www.gurulabs.com/rhl-cobalt-howto/ <--- Howto install Red Hat Linux on a Cobalt Qube or Raq. |
| 17:03:02 | tux_mike | has a 2Wire accesspoint/firewall and a p3 server :) |
| 17:03:31 | tux_mike | kerny|home: they don't come with linux any more, do they? |
| 17:04:02 | kerny|home | They do. It is Cobalt Linux. Which is hacked up modified Red Hat 6.0. |
| 17:04:07 | tux_mike | ah |
| 17:04:10 | kerny|home | kernel 2.2 based. |
| 17:04:12 | tux_mike | ok, so dated |
| 17:04:19 | riskable | I just run a Siemens SpeedStream wireless Cable/DSL router and a couple servers in my house |
| 17:06:23 | kergoth | shit i forgot to add the unmount all filesystems script to rc6.d |
| 17:07:26 | riskable | efsck is your friend |
| 17:07:34 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:07:35 | riskable | hehehe |
| 17:07:37 | kergoth | its jffs2 on / |
| 17:07:41 | kergoth | no fsck necessary |
| 17:07:46 | riskable | Ahh, nice |
| 17:08:27 | kergoth | hm, i wonder which debian package installs the run-parts script |
| 17:08:36 | kergoth | dpks -S run-parts |
| 17:08:38 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:08:43 | kergoth | s/dpks/dpkg/ |
| 17:13:12 | riskable | is away eating something |
| 17:14:47 | tux_mike | hey warmi |
| 17:15:12 | warmi | hey tux |
| 17:21:04 | warmi | quite Sunday ? |
| 17:21:11 | warmi | quiet |
| 17:21:14 | warmi | :-) |
| 17:21:18 | tux_mike | quite. |
| 17:21:50 | kergoth | sup warmi |
| 17:22:13 | warmi | tux: I already asked you that but I forgot .. |
| 17:22:18 | warmi | you have Z or Ipaq ? |
| 17:22:25 | tux_mike | Z |
| 17:23:04 | tux_mike | my laptop gave me a bad taste in my mouth for compaq portables |
| 17:23:24 | warmi | they all have some problems |
| 17:23:36 | warmi | I used to have IBM and it wasn't perfect either |
| 17:23:40 | tux_mike | mine is falling apart |
| 17:23:52 | ][N-Flux | my Z feels better now, all apps back in place |
| 17:24:09 | kergoth | ][N-Flux: where were they before, if not in place? |
| 17:24:11 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:25:00 | tux_mike | the keyboard rubs against the screen when the lid is closed. the case is made of crap plasitc and is falling apart, i had to replace the sytem board 3 times, hdd 2, screen 1, keyboard countless, cdrom, power adapter, and battery. |
| 17:25:08 | ][N-Flux | kergoth: I reflashed, had to re-install stuff |
| 17:25:17 | kergoth | ah :-) |
| 17:25:22 | warmi | that is something indeed |
| 17:25:42 | ][N-Flux | still no doom or quake though :P |
| 17:25:57 | tux_mike | i am not usually like this, but i'm not buying a compaq laptop again. |
| 17:26:05 | warmi | 4 years ago I used to have Digitial laptop .. it was the best piece of hardware I ever used ( it was company issues ... ) |
| 17:26:23 | tux_mike | my next one will be a toshiba |
| 17:26:33 | ][N-Flux | toshiba libretto :) |
| 17:26:42 | warmi | how about ..... cute one from Apple ? |
| 17:26:43 | ][N-Flux | compaq makes alot of shoddy equipment |
| 17:26:43 | tux_mike | nah, satellite 5005 |
| 17:26:43 | warmi | hahahah |
| 17:26:53 | ljp-- | I hope my nexy laptop is a Sharp |
| 17:27:01 | warmi | hahaha |
| 17:27:11 | warmi | that's what I was going to write |
| 17:27:12 | warmi | :-) |
| 17:27:13 | fusion94- | um |
| 17:27:28 | ljp-- | heheheh great minds think alike |
| 17:27:29 | fusion94- | wh go through Daylight Savings time last night ? |
| 17:27:34 | fusion94- | we even |
| 17:27:37 | ljp-- | some people did |
| 17:27:38 | warmi | ljp: I wish you well .. you are not in my category :-) |
| 17:27:49 | ljp-- | ditto! |
| 17:28:05 | tux_mike | in theory. my linux takes care of such trivial stuff as daylight savings time |
| 17:28:20 | warmi | it did take care of this |
| 17:28:33 | tux_mike | wants a laptop with 1600x1200 resolution |
| 17:28:38 | ljp-- | tries to pay no attention to frivalities as daylight savings time |
| 17:28:55 | warmi | tux should have entered the contest .. they are giving away 5 of them |
| 17:29:10 | fusion94- | tux_mike: so does my 3 cpu's but my phone didn't go through it |
| 17:29:13 | tux_mike | i don't have a good app. |
| 17:30:04 | ljp-- | glad drawpad wasnt entered |
| 17:31:59 | kergoth | ack |
| 17:32:03 | kergoth | kdevelop segfaulted |
| 17:32:13 | warmi | btw .... you can download my contest entry at www.warmi.net/zaurus ( if you like vexed like games .. that is ) |
| 17:32:40 | tux_mike | more apps! ^_^ |
| 17:33:42 | tux_mike | doh, you need to add a mimetype in your web server for ipk |
| 17:34:14 | warmi | well, I guess I do need it |
| 17:34:21 | warmi | I know netscape is anal about this |
| 17:35:17 | tux_mike | konq likes to display it too. |
| 17:35:21 | ljp-- | netscrape is broke |
| 17:35:36 | warmi | just download with shift |
| 17:35:38 | warmi | on netscape |
| 17:35:43 | warmi | that should work, I think |
| 17:35:48 | tux_mike | i don't use nutscrape. it's painful |
| 17:35:55 | BigBoss | risany good source for MMC cards? I'd rather not use SD |
| 17:37:42 | tux_mike | i dunno, i use sd, after the mmc fiasco |
| 17:38:04 | ljp-- | mmc fiasco? |
| 17:38:17 | dauxxx | warmI: it works :-) |
| 17:38:28 | tux_mike | the whole thing with the mmc not mounting after resume |
| 17:38:32 | warmi | what works ? |
| 17:38:34 | dauxxx | i just play with it :-) |
| 17:38:45 | warmi | oh , the game |
| 17:38:50 | warmi | yeah , it better work :-) |
| 17:38:56 | warmi | I spend lot of time on it |
| 17:39:12 | tux_mike | *sigh* my z is on the other side of the room. it'd take 12 steps to get it. |
| 17:39:25 | BigBoss | mmc wouldn't mount? |
| 17:39:26 | kergoth | its your Z. its worth it |
| 17:39:41 | George- | lol |
| 17:39:43 | tux_mike | i wish i had telekinisys |
| 17:39:58 | tux_mike | BigBoss: yah, i dunno it they fixed it |
| 17:40:23 | tux_mike | s/it/if |
| 17:40:53 | warmi | tux: what should I this ipk as in mime.types ? |
| 17:41:10 | warmi | I mean , what should I put for ipk in mime.types ? |
| 17:41:21 | tux_mike | warmi: what web server do you use? |
| 17:41:42 | warmi | apache |
| 17:41:52 | tux_mike | lemme pull up the line... |
| 17:42:28 | tux_mike | AddType application/octet-stream .ipk |
| 17:42:43 | tux_mike | add that around your other addtypes |
| 17:43:06 | tux_mike | then restart it (not sure if sending a hup'll work) |
| 17:45:00 | bewmIES | Or put it in an .htaccess file on the way to the directory with the ipk's |
| 17:45:09 | bewmIES | Assuming Overrides are allowed |
| 17:45:22 | warmi | yeah. now it works |
| 17:45:44 | warmi | Netscape seem to open SaveAs dialog instead of dumping everything on the screen |
| 17:45:47 | dauxxx | or just add "application/x-gzip gz tgz ipk" |
| 17:46:04 | dauxxx | in "/etc/mime.types" and restart apache |
| 17:46:30 | tux_mike | dauxxx: can cause problems for some plug-ins that are known to automagically ungzip |
| 17:46:36 | warmi | yeah... I added octet-stream and it seems to work now .. anything but text-plain :-) |
| 17:48:28 | warmi | anyone knows what's the magic behind some apps being able to install on cf and some just crapping out ? |
| 17:48:44 | riskable | is back |
| 17:48:49 | tux_mike | dunno |
| 17:49:09 | Gepeto | hey hey |
| 17:49:23 | riskable | wishes he had a docking cradle here at work to download some new apps to his Z |
| 17:49:39 | warmi | riskable: you are working ? |
| 17:49:46 | Gepeto | riskable: awww :| |
| 17:52:20 | warmi | dauxx: are you participating in Trolls contest ? |
| 17:53:33 | tux_mike | grumble. |
| 17:53:49 | tux_mike | has to read an anti-cloning piece for english class. |
| 17:54:03 | dauxxx | warmi: no i'm still searching for an idea |
| 17:54:15 | NetAmp | tux_mike: "Use the Force, Mike" |
| 17:54:17 | warmi | haha .. |
| 17:54:29 | riskable | I have an idea for you... Make a Qix clone! |
| 17:54:44 | dauxxx | what is qix ?? |
| 17:55:02 | NetAmp | tux_mike: (for the telekinisys) |
| 17:55:16 | tux_mike | NetAmp: i figured :) |
| 17:55:18 | NetAmp | Why use a Cobalt when you've got a Z anyway? |
| 17:55:32 | NetAmp | :P |
| 17:55:34 | dauxxx | warmi: the demo mode is funny :-) |
| 17:55:41 | MrX | anyone here use konqueror on the z ? |
| 17:55:58 | dauxxx | yes i used it |
| 17:55:59 | warmi | dauxx: it is actually recorded games .... it goes thru all of the 8 demo levels |
| 17:56:07 | NetAmp | it does look sweet... I'd like to have a Qube instead of my ATX minitower ;) |
| 17:56:49 | MrX | dauxx: do you have a zoom in/out in your konqueror ? |
| 17:56:57 | riskable | Qix is a neat classic arcade-style game |
| 17:57:24 | warmi | http://www.klov.com/Q/Qix.html |
| 17:57:24 | tux_mike | warmi: i like your game. i like how everything is so fluid, how'd you do that? |
| 17:57:41 | dauxxx | yes from 20% up to 150% |
| 17:58:03 | warmi | I used to do this stuff for living in 90s for Amiga |
| 17:58:06 | warmi | :-) |
| 17:58:09 | riskable | Barrack was the most interesting qix clone I've ever seen (it was for the Mac) |
| 17:58:19 | MrX | dauxx: which version ?`my is from 27.1.2002 |
| 17:58:30 | warmi | now I jsut bought ARM ASM book and will make everything even more "fluid" for other games |
| 17:58:47 | warmi | thanks for you kind comments :-) |
| 17:59:15 | Gepeto | Qix rules |
| 17:59:19 | dauxxx | konqueror_snapshot_20020311_arm.ipk |
| 17:59:22 | riskable | Qix is awesome |
| 17:59:36 | riskable | If someone made a qix clone for the Z, my life would almost be complete |
| 17:59:52 | warmi | I don't think I ever played Quix |
| 18:00:06 | MrX | dauxx: mhm, where do you find it ? my is from soudforge |
| 18:00:14 | warmi | are there Atari or C-64 versions out there of this game ? |
| 18:00:18 | MrX | dauxx: ups, sourceforge .. |
| 18:00:24 | dauxxx | warmi: have you made the game in ARM ASM ?? |
| 18:00:34 | finkployd | I have the gameboy version |
| 18:01:04 | NetAmp | Check out this hot 360-view!: http://www.cobalt.com/products/qube/360view.qube.html |
| 18:01:05 | warmi | no, but I will .. I used to work exclusively with ASM . now just learning quirks of ARM asm and then I will do some smooth scrolling shoot'em up games :-) |
| 18:01:34 | warmi | NetAmp: hell, if this wasn't so expensive .. |
| 18:01:40 | Gepeto | anyone knows a good qix for linux? I feel like playing qix right now |
| 18:02:16 | dauxxx | Mr__X:http://opie.handhelds.org/feed/ipaq/other/ |
| 18:03:40 | MrX | dauxx: oki, got it, http://ipkgfind.48ers.dk is a nice tool ... |
| 18:04:04 | dauxxx | warmi: because your puzzle is fast. |
| 18:04:41 | warmi | dauxxx: well , just starndard QPixmap with doublebuffer .. nothing fancy there |
| 18:04:52 | warmi | a bit of fast C for alpha blending and that's it |
| 18:05:16 | riskable | Damn, I feel like such a chump. You guys are all making these great QPE apps and I'm still waiting for my "Lean java in 21 days" book to arrive |
| 18:06:06 | ljp-- | gotta start somewhere |
| 18:06:10 | warmi | well, you got to start somewhere |
| 18:06:12 | warmi | hehe again |
| 18:06:24 | ljp-- | hmmmmm |
| 18:06:47 | dauxxx | btw: the java stuff is fast on Z |
| 18:06:53 | NetAmp | riskable: you're not the only one |
| 18:06:55 | riskable | That's what I like to hear =) |
| 18:07:07 | NetAmp | I can only do a little tinsy bit of C-programming |
| 18:07:08 | ljp-- | my first programming book was c/c++ programmers Bible |
| 18:07:14 | NetAmp | (do have Java books though) |
| 18:07:21 | George- | ljp--: That's quite a good book |
| 18:07:28 | George- | ;) |
| 18:07:32 | ljp-- | yes, but DOS specific |
| 18:07:35 | riskable | I took a C programming course like 6 years ago, hopefully I can still remember some of the concepts |
| 18:07:36 | NetAmp | hm... I still have a Turbo C Bible ;) |
| 18:07:40 | kergoth | my first book was a x86 asm book. then k&r |
| 18:07:50 | George- | ljp--: I know... |
| 18:07:56 | warmi | kerngoth: same withme .. except it was Z-80 asm |
| 18:07:56 | George- | heh |
| 18:08:05 | kergoth | :-) |
| 18:08:11 | NetAmp | I do have a Borland C++ 5 book from the US, but I never really got to read it |
| 18:08:12 | George- | my first C/C++ book was a sams book |
| 18:08:15 | George- | can't remember which |
| 18:08:18 | riskable | My first language was BASIC on an Apple II. Then I moved WAY up to Turbo Pascal in high school |
| 18:08:30 | NetAmp | Cool I did Turbo Pascal too ;) |
| 18:08:49 | riskable | Unfortunately, learning BASIC and Pascal the way I did doesn't lean towards good programming methods :) |
| 18:09:30 | kergoth | my first language was BASIC on my xt. then directly to C |
| 18:09:55 | NetAmp | Started with TI-BASIC on Texas Instruments 99/4A, then GWBASIC, QBasic, TC, TP, Delphi, Java |
| 18:10:05 | ljp-- | actually my first prog language was BASIC.. way back when it had line numbers.. heheheh goto 1 |
| 18:10:08 | finkployd | I started with basic on an xt then went to assembler |
| 18:10:15 | NetAmp | ljp: ;) |
| 18:10:16 | George- | my first language was *gasp* visual basic |
| 18:10:17 | George- | haha |
| 18:10:28 | NetAmp | oh yeah I did VB too... |
| 18:10:34 | warmi | George: yeah. basic on steroids |
| 18:10:39 | George- | it's crap |
| 18:10:44 | George- | ;) |
| 18:10:50 | NetAmp | sure is |
| 18:10:56 | riskable | "Oh crap, I fogot to add that to my code... I knew I shouldn't have used single-numbered lines! Oh well, time for a subroutine" |
| 18:10:57 | NetAmp | I hate the runtime DLL's |
| 18:11:04 | warmi | I actually found VBA to be quite usefull .. perhaps not very elegant but usefull |
| 18:11:11 | kergoth | riskable: lol |
| 18:11:33 | NetAmp | hm yeah I use VBA at the office where I work, sometimes for some Excel macros |
| 18:11:37 | George- | I hated VBA, but it was all my brain could handle for like.. 5 years |
| 18:11:38 | George- | hahaha |
| 18:11:39 | warmi | riskable: mama always said number your lines in ten increments 10 20 30 |
| 18:11:40 | warmi | hehe |
| 18:11:53 | NetAmp | hah |
| 18:12:07 | NetAmp | Oh well, I love scripting. Especially PHP ;) |
| 18:12:20 | kergoth | yes. scripting is nice. |
| 18:12:28 | warmi | PHP feels like interpreted C |
| 18:12:30 | George- | s/VBA/VB |
| 18:12:30 | kergoth | i love perl. shell. php |
| 18:12:35 | ljp-- | then I learned html |
| 18:12:41 | riskable | I love PHP. So SMOOV |
| 18:12:54 | NetAmp | never really learned bash scripting though... I did make many BATch scripts in my early DOS-days ;) |
| 18:12:59 | NetAmp | riskable: yeah! |
| 18:13:06 | riskable | I'd have to say my ONLY current programming language is PHP |
| 18:13:17 | George- | I love C++/Qt |
| 18:13:18 | George- | :) |
| 18:13:19 | warmi | I can't stand bash scripting .. can;t stand perl etc ... |
| 18:13:31 | riskable | Bash, shudder> |
| 18:13:32 | kergoth | i learned bash when i decided to read all the startup scripts in the first linux install i'd done |
| 18:13:34 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:13:35 | warmi | C++ is pretty much the best thing out there now .. especially with good library like Qt |
| 18:13:45 | riskable | I write/edit shell scripts every day, all day, it's annoying |
| 18:13:53 | NetAmp | hm... Perl I can do somewhat... but I still kinda suck at RegEx's |
| 18:13:55 | kergoth | c++ + qt is so easy to develop in.. |
| 18:14:13 | warmi | kergoth: yep ... it basically comes naturally .. |
| 18:14:17 | riskable | If I had a nickel for every time I added something to an LD_LIBRARY_PATH I'd have enough money to buy an SL-5500 |
| 18:14:17 | kergoth | indeed |
| 18:14:24 | kergoth | hah |
| 18:14:29 | riskable | Oh wait, I DO have a nickel for every time I add an LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
| 18:14:34 | NetAmp | *lol* |
| 18:14:34 | riskable | ...which is why I have a Z! |
| 18:14:47 | George- | bitch |
| 18:14:51 | George- | I want a zaurus |
| 18:14:51 | warmi | riskable: is this 5500 you talking about ? |
| 18:14:58 | George- | But I think I'll get an iPaq instead |
| 18:14:59 | George- | mwahahaha |
| 18:15:06 | NetAmp | 5500 in da house |
| 18:15:16 | NetAmp | George: that's... that's just plain EVIL! |
| 18:15:18 | riskable | owns an SL-5500 |
| 18:15:18 | NetAmp | 3V1L |
| 18:15:24 | warmi | George: I wanted one too .. and guess what Trolls sent me one ... ( after a lot of bitching on my part ) |
| 18:15:24 | warmi | heh |
| 18:15:25 | George- | *gasp* |
| 18:15:32 | George- | warmi: how? |
| 18:15:36 | George- | warmi: competition? |
| 18:15:41 | warmi | yeah :-) |
| 18:15:50 | George- | gah |
| 18:15:56 | George- | I want an iPa |
| 18:15:57 | NetAmp | Damn I knew I should've entered ;) |
| 18:15:58 | George- | q |
| 18:15:59 | George- | ;) |
| 18:16:00 | NetAmp | (but with what?!) |
| 18:16:01 | NetAmp | heh |
| 18:16:04 | George- | heh |
| 18:16:09 | George- | I forgot to submit a beta entry |
| 18:16:10 | George- | dammit |
| 18:16:30 | warmi | after playing with Z and its keyboard I find every other PDA inferior |
| 18:16:36 | George- | warmi: uh... |
| 18:16:39 | NetAmp | I think I'll get a Z... iPAQ looks neat but I don't like the idea of having PPC bluescreens... |
| 18:16:41 | George- | warmi: Psion Series 5, *ahem* |
| 18:16:49 | George- | warmi: had the best keyboard on the planet |
| 18:17:06 | warmi | I mean .. keyboard-less PDAs like Ipaq etc .. |
| 18:17:11 | George- | heh |
| 18:17:12 | George- | yea |
| 18:17:13 | George- | I know |
| 18:17:14 | Rombus | Hi everyon! |
| 18:17:14 | George- | ... |
| 18:17:22 | warmi | hi Rombus |
| 18:17:25 | ljp-- | Z is my first pda |
| 18:17:28 | George- | but you can't pick up the SL-5000D anymore |
| 18:17:30 | George- | :( |
| 18:17:31 | NetAmp | you could say "flash it with Linux then" but I'm not really into buying an iPAQ for $600 and screw it up |
| 18:17:35 | Rombus | Same here ljp |
| 18:17:38 | riskable | The Z is my first PDA as well |
| 18:17:43 | George- | NetAmp: Backup the flash |
| 18:17:50 | George- | NetAmp: overwrite it with linux |
| 18:17:57 | NetAmp | George: hehe ;) There's a possibility... |
| 18:18:01 | NetAmp | (d'oh!) |
| 18:18:03 | George- | NetAmp: run intimate, and shove KDE on ;) |
| 18:18:19 | NetAmp | and X ;) |
| 18:18:21 | warmi | yeah, Z is my first PDA as well .. I was just playing with Jornada and Ipaq and without keyboard it is simply not the same |
| 18:18:25 | George- | btw - can you trash lineo on the z? |
| 18:18:46 | warmi | not without flashing it |
| 18:18:49 | George- | because.. that's what's stopping me from wanting it at the moment, it runs crummy lineo embeddix and crappy Qtopia ;) |
| 18:18:53 | Rombus | Quick question for you all, does your backlight take a second to light after you turn it on? |
| 18:19:02 | NetAmp | also, iPAQ keyboard means extra $$$ |
| 18:19:05 | warmi | George: what else do you want ? |
| 18:19:15 | George- | warmi: Opie + Debian |
| 18:19:23 | warmi | Rombus: yeah, it does that on my 5000 |
| 18:19:25 | NetAmp | hah |
| 18:19:31 | kergoth | George-: wait for openzaurus 3 to release |
| 18:19:35 | kergoth | George-: heh |
| 18:19:36 | George- | openzaurus? |
| 18:19:41 | kergoth | George-: community rom image |
| 18:19:46 | NetAmp | OZ ruleZ |
| 18:19:48 | kergoth | George-: based on debian/familiar, using Opie |
| 18:19:51 | | openzaurus is a Community version of the root filesystem / romimage for the Sharp Zaurus SL-5000d PDA. The Sourceforge site is at: http://sourceforge.net/projects/openzaurus |
| 18:19:51 | ljp-- | ibot: openzaurus? |
| 18:19:59 | Rombus | warmi: Thanks |
| 18:20:01 | kergoth | George-: openzaurus and opie are related projects |
| 18:20:08 | George- | I don't like familiar =P |
| 18:20:13 | George- | it looks too embedded |
| 18:20:15 | George- | lol |
| 18:20:17 | warmi | ha ... Linux is linux .. who cares what's underneath .. especially on PDA |
| 18:20:17 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:20:20 | kergoth | its debian for gods sake |
| 18:20:22 | George- | I want a fully blown Debian system :) |
| 18:20:22 | kergoth | with ipkg |
| 18:20:23 | kergoth | :-) |
| 18:20:25 | NetAmp | I really hope Sharp will adopt OZ then :) |
| 18:20:29 | George- | with dpkg |
| 18:20:48 | kergoth | George-: so brew your own rom for the Z then |
| 18:20:54 | warmi | NetAmp: I don't beacuse it fill screw Trolls |
| 18:20:58 | Rombus | you guys think the Z is going to be sucessful? |
| 18:21:04 | warmi | after all , they are the reason we have Qt in the first place |
| 18:21:05 | NetAmp | warmi: oh yeah... :( |
| 18:21:12 | George- | will the z run everything the ipaq will? |
| 18:21:20 | George- | ie - can I take an iPaq distro, and use it on the z? |
| 18:21:48 | warmi | Rombus: hard to say .. it has better and more press than Agenda and big name like Sharp behind |
| 18:21:52 | warmi | but who knows .. |
| 18:21:57 | kergoth | warmi: it wouldnt screw trolltech. opie uses the qtopia base library, with a couple fixes. trolltech must stay around to allow commercial apps to link against the lib, even if opie became the basesystem |
| 18:21:59 | kergoth | warmi: heh |
| 18:22:28 | warmi | I never even heard about Agenda except on Slashdot |
| 18:22:35 | kergoth | afk |
| 18:22:52 | NetAmp | Yeah, Sharp should launch full-scale advertisement campaigns |
| 18:23:09 | George- | would I be able to run Intimate on the zaurus |
| 18:23:09 | NetAmp | With logos like Pingizauru and http://zaurus.loveslinux.com/images/kivio.png ;) |
| 18:23:10 | George- | ? |
| 18:23:19 | riskable | LOL |
| 18:23:21 | NetAmp | Kwacky! |
| 18:23:23 | warmi | I am not sure they are convinced they can take some market away from PPC and Palm |
| 18:23:52 | warmi | hah |
| 18:23:59 | NetAmp | likes theKompany's Kwacky mascot |
| 18:24:24 | BigBoss | glad you like it |
| 18:24:31 | BigBoss | how can we best use it? |
| 18:24:31 | NetAmp | Hm... we should have a 3D rendered Pingizauru too :) |
| 18:24:47 | riskable | That'd be cool |
| 18:24:55 | NetAmp | dunno... I'd like to see Kwacky in a game or something ;) |
| 18:25:03 | warmi | BB: you guys are not planning to write any games for Z do you ? |
| 18:25:15 | Rombus | thanks guys! gtg |
| 18:25:21 | George- | who's BigBoss? |
| 18:25:22 | George- | ;) |
| 18:25:25 | BigBoss | we have one game, and I just designed another one |
| 18:25:32 | warmi | huh ? |
| 18:25:38 | BigBoss | is president of theKompany |
| 18:25:53 | warmi | what game BB ? |
| 18:25:59 | | finkployd: i'm not following you... |
| 18:25:59 | finkployd | ibot: bigboss |
| 18:25:59 | BigBoss | Mahjongg |
| 18:26:02 | NeoTron | George-: heard of ebay? I bet they have pleny of 5000D's after JavaOne |
| 18:26:09 | ljp-- | BigBoss a.k.a BigBrother |
| 18:26:10 | riskable | BigBoss, you guys should release a Qix clone and give it away free for anyone who already purchased the tkcBundle |
| 18:26:11 | warmi | oh .. right ... crap, I missed that one |
| 18:26:11 | | no idea, finkployd |
| 18:26:11 | finkployd | ibot: who is bigboss |
| 18:26:21 | George- | oh shit |
| 18:26:32 | George- | my shift key is stuck |
| 18:26:37 | | OK, finkployd. |
| 18:26:37 | finkployd | ibot: bigboss is the president of TheKompany |
| 18:26:40 | George- | that's better |
| 18:26:40 | BigBoss | oh yea, Qix, I use to play that at the Arcade in highschool |
| 18:26:41 | George- | =P |
| 18:26:48 | riskable | :) |
| 18:26:49 | BigBoss | we have it on our original Nintendo as well |
| 18:26:53 | warmi | NeoTron: about 20 or so |
| 18:27:10 | BigBoss | warmi: what kind of prices? |
| 18:27:24 | warmi | 200 lowest |
| 18:27:27 | warmi | interesting "Sharp Zaurus SL-5000D Linux PDA MP3 Player " |
| 18:27:27 | NeoTron | $300 or so when I checked last |
| 18:27:29 | warmi | from Ebay |
| 18:27:30 | NeoTron | for ending proces |
| 18:27:30 | warmi | hehe |
| 18:27:51 | George- | warmi: HOW much!@?!?! |
| 18:28:00 | warmi | yeagh, ending will go for 300 |
| 18:28:05 | NetAmp | jeesh |
| 18:28:27 | warmi | George: you will get one for about $300 or so |
| 18:28:40 | George- | hmm |
| 18:28:45 | George- | I don't *have* $300 |
| 18:28:46 | warmi | interestingly there are no 5500s yet |
| 18:28:47 | George- | I'm 14 ;) |
| 18:28:54 | NeoTron | would have been nice to buy 10 of those for $200 selling them for $300. :P |
| 18:29:03 | BigBoss | then you don't need one :) |
| 18:29:10 | NeoTron | George-: so howdya plan to get an ipaq? :P |
| 18:29:20 | warmi | Geogre: oh well, I wished I was 14 ... even 14 without $300 |
| 18:29:21 | warmi | :-) |
| 18:29:33 | NetAmp | George: 5500 will cost $500, so... ;) |
| 18:30:14 | George- | warmi: why? |
| 18:30:25 | George- | NeoTron: there's one going on ebay for like.. $110 |
| 18:30:33 | George- | not much more time to go |
| 18:30:33 | warmi | well, everything is ahead of you at that age |
| 18:30:36 | George- | looks promising =P |
| 18:30:48 | warmi | all the fun is still ahead:-) |
| 18:31:01 | George- | uh... |
| 18:31:05 | George- | ok |
| 18:31:06 | George- | ;) |
| 18:32:06 | George- | can someone trying connecting to irc server zorian.ath.cx |
| 18:32:10 | George- | I wanna see if it works ;) |
| 18:32:31 | warmi | yeah, it works |
| 18:32:34 | George- | ok |
| 18:32:38 | George- | good |
| 18:32:41 | George- | ;) |
| 18:32:43 | warmi | There are 2 victims and 0 hiding on 1 servers |
| 18:32:48 | warmi | and you are missing MOTD |
| 18:32:49 | warmi | hehe |
| 18:32:51 | George- | haha |
| 18:32:52 | George- | yea |
| 18:32:52 | NetAmp | ;) |
| 18:32:53 | George- | so? :) |
| 18:33:08 | warmi | nothing |
| 18:33:14 | warmi | just repetaing what your server says |
| 18:33:20 | warmi | repeating |
| 18:33:48 | George- | heh |
| 18:33:49 | George- | I know ;) |
| 18:33:53 | NetAmp | MOTD - Microsoft Open Training Day |
| 18:33:56 | NetAmp | *muhahah* |
| 18:34:03 | George- | --- [warmi] (~w@dsl-65-184-213-17.telocity.com) : w |
| 18:34:03 | warmi | why is Amazon trying to sell me "Fashion & Style magazines." whenever I go there .. |
| 18:34:03 | George- | --- [warmi] irc.localnet :http://www.debian.org/ |
| 18:34:03 | George- | --- [warmi] idle 00:00:47, signon: Sun Apr 7 19:33:49 |
| 18:34:03 | George- | --- [warmi] End of WHOIS list. |
| 18:34:06 | George- | ;) |
| 18:34:14 | warmi | I never ordered anything like that from them |
| 18:34:25 | warmi | George: yep , that's me |
| 18:34:27 | NetAmp | warmi: haha, they probably don't want them like you do ;) |
| 18:34:27 | riskable | It knows your style |
| 18:34:37 | warmi | hah |
| 18:34:39 | warmi | my style ? |
| 18:34:45 | warmi | I only bought computer books there |
| 18:34:45 | NetAmp | stylus |
| 18:34:56 | riskable | EXACTLY |
| 18:35:04 | George- | haha |
| 18:35:05 | riskable | It's trying to give you style ;) |
| 18:35:13 | warmi | hah .. you thing they are trying to "broaden" my horizonts ? |
| 18:35:16 | warmi | or soemthing like that |
| 18:35:20 | riskable | hehe |
| 18:35:56 | warmi | unless my wife is shopping threre . |
| 18:36:02 | warmi | that would make sense |
| 18:37:37 | riskable | Any Z news today? |
| 18:38:09 | warmi | well, I saw it at my local Best Buy yesterday ( for the first time) |
| 18:38:22 | warmi | if that quaifies as Z news .. |
| 18:38:23 | warmi | :-) |
| 18:38:45 | warmi | it was sitting behind the glass with no price or any other info attached |
| 18:38:50 | warmi | pretty sad |
| 18:39:03 | George- | heh |
| 18:39:10 | George- | I've only got 1 app for the z |
| 18:39:13 | George- | haha |
| 18:39:26 | George- | that I entered into the trolltech competition |
| 18:39:42 | riskable | LOL |
| 18:40:07 | George- | which is more stylish, the apple powerbook or the z? |
| 18:40:07 | George- | ;) |
| 18:40:42 | NetAmp | Apple :P |
| 18:40:53 | George- | *phew* |
| 18:40:56 | George- | thank god for that |
| 18:40:57 | George- | lol |
| 18:41:04 | NetAmp | warmi: I guess that's because, people get curious... and they walk into the store |
| 18:41:14 | riskable | warmi: Check out Zaurus.LovesLInux.com ;) |
| 18:41:15 | NetAmp | they wouldn't if they saw the price tag from outside ;) |
| 18:41:50 | warmi | NetAmp: I think they just got them yesterday or so and haven't had a chance to prepare anything |
| 18:41:58 | NetAmp | haha |
| 18:42:07 | NetAmp | warmi: btw that Puzz-le screenshot looks neat :) |
| 18:42:44 | tux_mike | warmi: you using a qdirectpainter for puzz-le? |
| 18:42:56 | warmi | NetAmp: thanks |
| 18:43:02 | riskable | wami: You see your news item? |
| 18:43:05 | warmi | tux: nope .. just plain Pixmap with doublebuffering |
| 18:43:09 | riskable | s/wami/warmi/g |
| 18:43:31 | warmi | hahahahhhaha |
| 18:43:42 | tux_mike | warmi: QT should use double buffering more often |
| 18:43:48 | tux_mike | too many widgets flicker |
| 18:44:02 | warmi | riskable: that was good :-) |
| 18:44:40 | warmi | tux: well, it depends what kind of widget is that |
| 18:44:53 | warmi | some of them definately would look better with double-buffering |
| 18:46:16 | warmi | alrigth .... got to go do some food shopping for the week |
| 18:46:26 | tux_mike | warmi_out: i think i'll use a lot of double-buffering in the launcher, because of the skinning |
| 18:48:33 | NetAmp | "HP Announces Latest Merger Integration Milestone with Naming of 150 Senior Managers" http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press/03apr02b.htm |
| 18:55:16 | | Xerox your lunch and file it under "sex offenders"! |
| 18:55:16 | NetAmp | ibot: yow |
| 18:55:35 | | well, faq is http://www.handhelds.org/handhelds-faq/handhelds-faq.html or http://www.sonic.net/~nbs/zaurus-faq/ |
| 18:55:35 | riskable | ibot: faq |
| 19:07:17 | tux_mike | one more page |
| 19:07:27 | riskable | One more page of what? |
| 19:11:48 | tux_mike | this summary |
| 19:12:00 | riskable | Ahh |
| 19:12:06 | riskable | Summary of what? |
| 19:12:14 | tux_mike | this article on cloning |
| 19:12:27 | finkployd | ya know, the graphic here http://www.sonic.net/~nbs/zaurus-faq/ looks an awful lot like japanese girl/dinosaur porn... |
| 19:13:17 | finkployd | or as my roommate put it: "Dude, that dino is humping that chick!" |
| 19:13:31 | NeoTron | indeed |
| 19:13:39 | NeoTron | japanese advertising at its best |
| 19:13:55 | NetAmp | hm... seems like an interesting IM site: http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~mikechen/im/ |
| 19:14:05 | finkployd | at least there are no tenticles involved |
| 19:14:09 | NetAmp | "By offloading these protocols into the proxy, it enables us to build light-weight web-based and PDA-based clients." |
| 19:14:13 | NetAmp | finkployd: heh ;) |
| 19:15:46 | Twiun | evening folks |
| 19:15:56 | NeoTron | http://www.ezaurus.com/menu_grf/main.gif |
| 19:16:26 | dauxxx | im searching a summary about wlan under Z. |
| 19:17:05 | Twiun | Hmmm... a dynosaur on your back... |
| 19:17:10 | NetAmp | hah |
| 19:17:18 | Twiun | /dyn/din/ |
| 19:17:18 | NetAmp | better than Pingizauru on your back ;) |
| 19:17:52 | Twiun | I dunno... I always though PingiZaurus was an overweight, punk kinda Rex ;-) |
| 19:17:57 | tux_mike | dynosaur, a dynamic lizard? :) |
| 19:18:12 | NetAmp | *lol* |
| 19:18:39 | NetAmp | they implement dynamic stampeding in flocks |
| 19:19:19 | Twiun | so, THAT's what they meant... "Wireless Zaurus" |
| 19:19:32 | Twiun | Going the down the organic path... |
| 19:19:34 | NetAmp | hah |
| 19:20:00 | Twiun | Mind you... being extinct is a bad precedent |
| 19:20:29 | NetAmp | Twiun: that's probably why people don't see the dino's |
| 19:20:51 | dauxxx | on mobile.ezaurus.com: at the backside of Z there is a CAM |
| 19:20:56 | | Slashdot - Updated 2002-04-07 18:22:19 | Virtual PC for OS/2 released | PC Prices to Rise? | Review: Panic Room | Another Office Alternative |
| 19:20:56 | NetAmp | ibot: slashdot |
| 19:21:32 | Twiun | NetAmp: Good point |
| 19:21:46 | NetAmp | ;) |
| 19:21:53 | Twiun | dauxxx: Yeah, I think that's the japanese Zaurus |
| 19:22:03 | NetAmp | but they might be here... spooky |
| 19:22:33 | dauxxx | is the HW other then in europe or US ? |
| 19:22:34 | Twiun | NetAmp: Possibly... I *did* put some weight on just after I got it near christmas |
| 19:22:48 | NetAmp | *lol* |
| 19:22:51 | Twiun | dauxxx: The chip definately is... dunno about the rest |
| 19:23:18 | dauxxx | because this cam is great |
| 19:23:40 | Twiun | It's good for snapshots - I wonder what the poerw consumption is like |
| 19:23:44 | Twiun | power |
| 19:24:28 | riskable | Man, why didn't OUR Z have a camera built-in?!? |
| 19:24:47 | tux_mike | i want the cf camera :( |
| 19:24:49 | tux_mike | :) |
| 19:24:51 | Gepeto | riskable: cause japan gets all the great toys |
| 19:24:52 | tux_mike | :| |
| 19:24:54 | tux_mike | :/ |
| 19:25:16 | dauxxx | where did you get your Z ? |
| 19:25:18 | NetAmp | they do, but they're even more expensive over there... |
| 19:25:33 | Twiun | Gepeto: At least at first... think of them as the guinea pigs... or the experimental rabbits... |
| 19:25:40 | dauxxx | i would spent more money for this cam |
| 19:25:45 | Gepeto | Twiun: we get TESTED toys :) |
| 19:26:06 | Twiun | Gepeto: Yup... although only for the hardware ;-) |
| 19:26:11 | NetAmp | hah |
| 19:26:25 | NetAmp | yeah the software is a totally different story ;) |
| 19:26:36 | Gepeto | well software can be fixed |
| 19:26:46 | Twiun | Yeah... japanese soft is just incomprehensible... seen their games? |
| 19:26:46 | Gepeto | a ROM update to fix a broken keyboard..? that'd be hard |
| 19:27:04 | Gepeto | well I played Shenmue 1 in jap |
| 19:27:12 | riskable | The US needs more Japanese-like games... Like the game where you gotta keep your girlfriend happy |
| 19:27:15 | NetAmp | What do they look like |
| 19:27:23 | NetAmp | riskable: haha |
| 19:27:29 | Twiun | Or dance to get points... |
| 19:27:34 | Twiun | You get the idea |
| 19:27:43 | NetAmp | Well, we got Pokémon Snap |
| 19:27:46 | NetAmp | :P |
| 19:28:05 | Twiun | Haven't seen that one... can I count myself luky? |
| 19:28:07 | Twiun | lucky |
| 19:28:12 | NetAmp | yep, hah |
| 19:28:15 | Twiun | Gah... my spelling really sucks tonight |
| 19:28:31 | NetAmp | well actually I haven't seen it either, just in a commercial |
| 19:28:48 | NetAmp | I believe the object is to photograph as much Pokémon as you can |
| 19:29:03 | Twiun | screams |
| 19:29:08 | NetAmp | ;) |
| 19:29:12 | NetAmp | it's sad... |
| 19:29:14 | Twiun | I thought that had stayed in Japan |
| 19:29:23 | Twiun | (saw it on tv without a name) |
| 19:29:46 | riskable | I thought Japenese' motto was already photograph everything you can? |
| 19:29:57 | Twiun | They're talking about games making kids violent... now comes the one that turn their brains into mush |
| 19:30:34 | dauxxx | is this not the some ?? |
| 19:30:40 | Twiun | thinks games are just too dangerous for mankind... we'll be extinct ourselves withing 2 generations ;-) |
| 19:32:49 | NetAmp | are PDA's good for mankind? Except that they're really really bad for mankind's wallets? |
| 19:33:16 | Twiun | I'm not sure... at least they discourage one-handed typing ;-) |
| 19:33:24 | tux_mike | i think everything is bad for mankind and everything should be abolished! :) |
| 19:33:44 | treke_ | finally saw a zaurus today.they look cool but flimsy |
| 19:33:54 | dauxxx | thats write, but t think pda is only expensive toys |
| 19:33:56 | riskable | Flimsy? |
| 19:34:03 | Twiun | treke_: saw, or held? |
| 19:34:10 | treke_ | both |
| 19:34:25 | riskable | My Z is rather solid. Anything but flimsy |
| 19:34:29 | tux_mike | treke_: mine is a brick |
| 19:34:32 | tux_mike | trust me. |
| 19:34:36 | NetAmp | hm /. isn't that good for mankind either: "Adrian O'Grady has successfully gotten TCP/IP and PPP working on his handheld Gameboy Advance for a web server" |
| 19:34:36 | treke_ | It didnt feel particularly solid to me, might just be the feel though |
| 19:34:37 | tux_mike | it is a fscking brick |
| 19:35:00 | Twiun | Mine too... even after dropping it on concrete... granted the keyboard slideout is thin |
| 19:35:03 | treke_ | particularly around the keyboard |
| 19:35:10 | NetAmp | http://www.fivemouse.com/gba/diary.html |
| 19:35:39 | treke_ | Was pleasently surprised by how small it is though |
| 19:36:11 | Twiun | The hardware is nice, it's just the soft we have to get going now |
| 19:36:38 | NetAmp | treke: how small did it look? like an iPAQ? |
| 19:36:52 | treke_ | NetAmp : slightly larger |
| 19:36:56 | NetAmp | :) |
| 19:36:56 | treke_ | but not by much |
| 19:37:19 | treke_ | Seemed a bit taller, abou the same thickness if you dont put a sleeve on the ipaq |
| 19:39:12 | NetAmp | sweet |
| 19:40:28 | treke_ | I'd be really tempted if I wasnt happy with my ipaq :) |
| 19:40:55 | NetAmp | has no PDA yet, only a Casio organiser |
| 19:41:17 | NetAmp | but I guess I'll wait until the Benelux release/distribution |
| 19:41:26 | treke_ | benelux? |
| 19:41:42 | NetAmp | Benelux == Belgium, Netherlands, Luxembourg |
| 19:41:46 | killefiz | NetAmp: Did you get an answer from sharp? |
| 19:41:47 | NetAmp | 's from NL |
| 19:41:55 | NetAmp | killefiz: yeah I did, quite fast actually :) |
| 19:42:03 | killefiz | What did they tell you? |
| 19:42:04 | NetAmp | good customer service |
| 19:42:18 | NetAmp | killefiz: They say they'll be ready by July/August :S |
| 19:42:33 | killefiz | That's not too long |
| 19:42:45 | NetAmp | nah indeed... just seems long but time flies |
| 19:45:34 | NetAmp | translated: "At this time we are making preparations regarding distribution of the Zaurus in the Benelux. This will take place via distributors. July/August is expected to be the release time" |
| 19:46:08 | MrX | any freeware icq client for z avaible ? |
| 19:47:42 | riskable | Just buy tkcJabber, it's cheap :) |
| 19:47:50 | Gepeto | I think gaim |
| 19:47:58 | NetAmp | riskable: you're starting to sound like BB *lol* |
| 19:47:59 | Gepeto | there is an ipkg of gaim, try it out |
| 19:47:59 | riskable | gaim is available for the Z? |
| 19:48:10 | NetAmp | (no offence heh) |
| 19:48:10 | Gepeto | riskable: well for ipaq I know it is |
| 19:48:44 | Gepeto | http://ipkgfind.48ers.dk/details.phtml?package=gaim&official= |
| 19:49:21 | kergoth | gaim uses gtk. unless you're running X on the Z, it wont help |
| 19:49:23 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:49:29 | dauxxx | :-( |
| 19:50:05 | dauxxx | but , what about icq over java ? |
| 19:50:28 | Twiun | dauxxx: the icq applet will probably be slow (read unoptimised for the Z) |
| 19:50:48 | dauxxx | where ?? |
| 19:51:01 | kergoth | not to mention itd be fullscreen.. interfering with the use of other apps, not like the taskbar applet form that tkcjabber uses. heh. |
| 19:51:03 | Twiun | I'm assuming there is one - AIM has one |
| 19:51:16 | riskable | Java apps for the Z can't be sent to the background? |
| 19:51:18 | Twiun | kergoth: That too |
| 19:51:30 | kergoth | riskable: certainly, but it interferes with ease of use |
| 19:51:39 | Twiun | riskable: The Jeode VM is *poorly* integrated into Qtopia |
| 19:52:04 | riskable | Wow, I had no idea |
| 19:52:11 | kergoth | hopefully the work by the kaffe guys will turn out well |
| 19:52:18 | riskable | I just loaded up PrimTest and I can't send it to the background |
| 19:52:29 | Twiun | That's why I'm hoping for something better by the time they think of a Java contest |
| 19:52:56 | riskable | JCryptPad can't be sent to the background either, nasty |
| 19:53:08 | Twiun | Jeode is just too limited - we can do better with the HW the Z has |
| 19:53:10 | riskable | This is why Qtopia needs a minimize button :) |
| 19:53:26 | kergoth | doesnt need a minimize button.. |
| 19:53:31 | kergoth | the thing barely needs a taskbar |
| 19:53:32 | kergoth | :-P |
| 19:53:39 | riskable | I don't know C++... How hard would it be to learn how to code for the Z/ |
| 19:53:41 | riskable | ? |
| 19:54:05 | kergoth | c++ with qt/qtopia is really very intuitive |
| 19:54:26 | dauxxx | that right, no qtopia apps with minimize button :-( |
| 19:54:27 | riskable | How much memory management do you need to do? |
| 19:54:36 | kergoth | I'd pick up The C++ Programming Language by Stroustrup, and pair it with the stuff at http://doc.trolltech.com/ if you're interested in it. |
| 19:54:49 | kergoth | riskable: how much dynamic memory allocation do you need? ;-) |
| 19:54:57 | kergoth | riskable: qt takes care of most of it, for its widgets anyway |
| 19:59:35 | riskable | OK, time for me to head home from work, see you blokes latah |
| 20:01:11 | riskable | Comprehensive but badly written, March 12, 2002 |
| 20:01:11 | riskable | Reviewer: chengiz (see more about me) from NY |
| 20:01:11 | riskable | The fact that Stroustrup's C++ is arguably the most comprehensive C++ book out there, does not hide the fact that it is one of the most longwinded, opinionated, and overrated academic books ever written. I like C++, have been using it for years, and have referred to Stroustrup a lot. Usually I find what I am looking for, but at the expense of having to go through a lot of cross-references and self-important speeches ("I did this |
| 20:01:13 | riskable | and I thought of that"). |
| 20:03:20 | riskable | Maybe I'll get it anyway :) |
| 20:04:22 | gash | riskable: nice job on zaurus.loveslinux.com |
| 20:04:32 | killefiz | too late ;) |
| 20:05:02 | gash | got my linksys wireless cf yesterday, that rocks |
| 20:06:13 | catalin | killefiz: ping |
| 20:06:46 | NetAmp | yeah a Java contest ;) |
| 20:06:51 | killefiz | catalin: i'm here |
| 20:08:47 | catalin | killefiz: I just got a reply from kamidake's author |
| 20:08:55 | dauxxx | gash: does the linksys card cover the both connector (phone and pen) |
| 20:09:27 | catalin | killefiz: he's willing to share the source code of his site, but he doesn't want to maintain a public version |
| 20:09:39 | finkployd | no, just the pen |
| 20:10:46 | MrX | the pen a little or complete ? |
| 20:20:01 | finkployd | just a little |
| 20:20:26 | finkployd | the linksys case can be (carefully) filed down a little to not block it |
| 20:24:04 | dauxxx | finkployd: which AP do you used ? |
| 20:24:38 | finkployd | I don't know what we use at work, at home I use a Netgear MR314 |
| 20:25:08 | andyschm | I'm curious to know what the range/perf is on those AP things |
| 20:27:37 | finkployd | it would be cool to be able to print from the Z (to a network printer) |
| 20:28:12 | finkployd | the range of the netgear covers my whole 3 story townhouse apartment, so I'm happy :) |
| 20:28:27 | Twiun | finkployd: It'd be cool to print to an IR-enabled printer too |
| 20:28:37 | | hmmm... faq is http://www.handhelds.org/handhelds-faq/handhelds-faq.html or http://www.sonic.net/~nbs/zaurus-faq/ |
| 20:28:37 | ljp-- | ibot faq |
| 20:29:14 | dauxxx | this page doesnt cover my question about wlan :-(( |
| 20:29:19 | andyschm | thats not bad... |
| 20:30:03 | andyschm | what I want to know is if the linksys (or any other 802 cf card) will work in a pcmcia slot w/ a cf-adapter. |
| 20:30:54 | dauxxx | andyschm: smc card works |
| 20:30:55 | NetAmp | "remote control: Not effectively; the range is too short" :( |
| 20:31:15 | NetAmp | "can't seem to receive beams: Turn the Zaurus on |
| 20:31:17 | NetAmp | hah |
| 20:31:18 | NetAmp | *lol* |
| 20:31:54 | NetAmp | Bill did a real good job on that faq :D |
| 20:32:02 | NetAmp | (and still does ofcourse) |
| 20:33:19 | NetAmp | Maybe he should put in Q:"What is this dino doing on my back?" |
| 20:34:12 | Twiun | rofl |
| 20:34:28 | Gepeto | yep |
| 20:34:33 | Gepeto | he looks a little TOO happy |
| 20:35:59 | NetAmp | who's happy? |
| 20:36:02 | | SHARPENERS right NOW?? |
| 20:36:02 | NetAmp | ibot: be zippy |
| 20:36:31 | Gepeto | NetAmp: the dino |
| 20:36:38 | NetAmp | Gepeto: *lol* |
| 20:38:43 | MrX | anyone try qtopia-x on the z ? |
| 20:39:03 | andyschm | does the SMC2642W block the ports? |
| 20:39:19 | killefiz | andyschm: no |
| 20:39:29 | killefiz | (afaik, I don't have one yet) |
| 20:39:44 | Cam_ | A crazy question - has anyone heard of digital radio? What about that in a CF card? |
| 20:39:45 | Gepeto | MrX: what is qtopia-x? |
| 20:39:59 | Gepeto | Cam_: hmm you mean a digital tuner....haven't seen any |
| 20:40:10 | MrX | qtopia-x lets you run x apps in qtopia ... |
| 20:40:20 | Cam_ | DAB - Digital Audio Broadcasting. They are using it in the UK now |
| 20:40:21 | BigBoss | we'd been talking about a TV tuner for it, but can't find a CF based one anywhere |
| 20:40:24 | Gepeto | MrX: NEAT |
| 20:40:45 | scanline | is away: food |
| 20:40:51 | Cam_ | I think Psion made a USB one that was tiny, for regular PCs |
| 20:44:51 | Riskable_zaurus | howdy folks |
| 20:45:10 | Riskable_zaurus | Logged in from my Z |
| 20:45:27 | dauxxx | over wlan or over usb ? |
| 20:45:32 | Gepeto | Riskable_zaurus: what client? |
| 20:48:48 | Riskable_zaurus | tkcJabber |
| 20:48:52 | Riskable_zaurus | wlan |
| 20:48:53 | Gepeto | Ok |
| 20:49:19 | Riskable_zaurus | I'm surfing the web in the background |
| 20:49:44 | Gepeto | yeah that's what I hate on my palm |
| 20:49:50 | Gepeto | I can't do both at the same time :) |
| 20:50:46 | NetAmp | cool, too bad we don't have wlan where I work |
| 20:52:30 | | codemnky: sorry... |
| 20:52:30 | codemnky | ibot see roge99 |
| 20:52:38 | | roge99 was last seen on #zaurus 18 hours, 37 minutes and 43 seconds ago, saying: BigBoss: if you take a round file to it you can make the stylus fit [Sun Apr 7 03:14:55 2002] |
| 20:52:38 | codemnky | ibot seen roge99 |
| 20:54:55 | Riskable_zaurus | I'm actually at home |
| 20:55:27 | Riskable_zaurus | LOL nice quote |
| 20:55:39 | | riskable was last seen on #zaurus 52 minutes and 19 seconds ago, saying: Maybe I'll get it anyway :) [Sun Apr 7 21:03:20 2002] |
| 20:55:39 | Riskable_zaurus | ibot seen riskable |
| 20:56:15 | | netamp was last seen on #zaurus 0 seconds ago, saying: ibot: seen netamp [Sun Apr 7 21:56:15 2002] |
| 20:56:15 | NetAmp | ibot: seen netamp |
| 20:56:56 | Riskable_zaurus | Think I should start making custom wood styli for PDAs? |
| 20:57:27 | NetAmp | Riskable_zaurus: and sell them on zaurus.loveslinux.com ;) |
| 20:57:39 | Riskable_zaurus | good idea! |
| 20:57:42 | NetAmp | (hm.. or stylus.loveslinux.com ;) |
| 20:57:59 | Riskable_zaurus | First I need to make a supply of them |
| 20:58:05 | NetAmp | :D |
| 20:58:24 | NetAmp | I like the Floating Point styluses :) |
| 20:58:25 | Riskable_zaurus | I only made one so far |
| 20:58:30 | NetAmp | but they're quite expensive |
| 20:58:45 | Riskable_zaurus | Floating point? |
| 20:58:58 | Twiun | Any jewelers around? (gold stylus idea ;-) |
| 21:00:46 | Riskable_zaurus | I basically made a wooden pen and used a PDA Panache stylus insert |
| 21:03:12 | NetAmp | nice :) |
| 21:03:34 | NetAmp | Twiun: I wouldn't dare to walk around with a golden stylus, heh ;) |
| 21:04:51 | Twiun | NetAmp: Neither would I... but then again I'm not really the "high-flying-executive" type.... BigBoss... think that would take on? |
| 21:06:08 | NetAmp | haha |
| 21:06:21 | Riskable_zaurus | lol |
| 21:06:49 | NetAmp | hey, a theKompany stylus holder would be cool ;) |
| 21:07:38 | catalin | yup. BB is the kind of guy who would wear a golden styles, event if he doesn't have a Zaurus at all |
| 21:07:46 | catalin | stylus, even |
| 21:07:50 | ljp-- | yes, but what about openzaurus tshirts? |
| 21:07:53 | catalin | ;) |
| 21:07:54 | warmi_out | haha |
| 21:09:14 | NetAmp | there are already Pingizauru mugs |
| 21:09:16 | warmi | wait till he comes back catalin |
| 21:09:25 | warmi | heh |
| 21:09:26 | NetAmp | but we neat the 'heat-sensitive' kind of mugs |
| 21:09:34 | Twiun | Hey... how about a wooden stylus with a PingiZaurus mascot at the top (like the rubber on a pencil) |
| 21:09:41 | NetAmp | Twiun: yeah! |
| 21:09:53 | Twiun | I know, kinda small, but fun! |
| 21:10:00 | NetAmp | ow a Pingizauru lighter, after all he can breathe fire ;) |
| 21:10:11 | | bigboss is the president of TheKompany or a golden stylus freak |
| 21:10:11 | catalin | ibot: bigboss |
| 21:10:22 | warmi | lol |
| 21:10:37 | Twiun | Hehehe... golden Zaurus... |
| 21:10:48 | Twiun | Gem incrusted... |
| 21:11:15 | warmi | anyone of you guys runs ROM 1.11 ? |
| 21:11:20 | Twiun | Light-through emerald for the power light... |
| 21:11:30 | Twiun | snaps back to reality... |
| 21:11:33 | Twiun | Nope |
| 21:11:55 | warmi | how about 5500 ? |
| 21:12:01 | warmi | any 5500 users here ? |
| 21:12:14 | dauxxx | yep |
| 21:12:20 | NetAmp | Twiun: you could always paint the casing yourself ;) |
| 21:12:26 | dauxxx | 5500g |
| 21:12:45 | warmi | oh, that answers my question .. I was just wondering if my game runs ok on 5500 cause I have only 5000 |
| 21:12:58 | warmi | now, I know it runs on 5500 :-) |
| 21:13:04 | Twiun | NetAmp: Yeah, right... as if my Z isn't a thief-magnet already ;-) |
| 21:13:12 | NetAmp | Twiun: hah ;) |
| 21:13:24 | dauxxx | i have a 5500g and your puzzle run well :-9 |
| 21:13:40 | warmi | ok thanks .. what's different in German version ? |
| 21:13:46 | NetAmp | QWERTZ |
| 21:13:47 | warmi | just localization (language ) ? |
| 21:13:54 | warmi | oh right ... |
| 21:13:57 | dauxxx | :-) |
| 21:14:05 | NetAmp | and another difference |
| 21:14:09 | Riskable_zaurus | The docs have a german accent |
| 21:14:15 | dauxxx | but i think the rest is the same |
| 21:14:15 | warmi | hah |
| 21:14:17 | NetAmp | is that Germany already got theirs (even localised!) |
| 21:14:21 | NetAmp | and we don't :( |
| 21:14:24 | dauxxx | yes |
| 21:14:24 | NetAmp | *boohoo* |
| 21:14:43 | NetAmp | hehe *lol* just kidding, I don't really mind waiting a while :) |
| 21:14:44 | killefiz | the netherlands are much smaller |
| 21:14:44 | warmi | NetAmp: well, that's the price you pay for not having more babies .. |
| 21:14:54 | warmi | there are like 80 millions of them so no crap they will get it first |
| 21:14:58 | NetAmp | killefiz: yeah that's true :) |
| 21:15:00 | NetAmp | ;) |
| 21:15:02 | Riskable_zaurus | lol |
| 21:15:06 | mark_ | hi all |
| 21:15:11 | warmi | hi mark |
| 21:15:16 | mark_ | hi warmi |
| 21:15:17 | dauxxx | i just have a problem, where can a sync the german holiday ?? |
| 21:15:18 | Riskable_zaurus | howdy |
| 21:15:51 | NetAmp | hiya |
| 21:16:04 | mark_ | hi Ne |
| 21:16:23 | warmi | amrk: you have your app all shiny and ready for the final submission ? |
| 21:16:24 | warmi | hah |
| 21:16:33 | warmi | amrk > mark |
| 21:16:43 | mark_ | warmi: no, i've been away on a 9 day Gliding scholarship |
| 21:16:58 | NetAmp | cool :) |
| 21:17:07 | mark_ | pretty excellent |
| 21:17:14 | mark_ | 12 hours flying for nothing |
| 21:17:19 | NetAmp | sweet |
| 21:17:53 | warmi | yeah, you don't get to glide every day |
| 21:17:56 | warmi | pretty cool |
| 21:18:25 | mark_ | powered gliders -> they might as well call them planes |
| 21:18:42 | warmi | well, I assume they turn off the power when not needed |
| 21:18:47 | warmi | or do they ? |
| 21:18:49 | NetAmp | You could hook up a Z to it ;) |
| 21:18:53 | mark_ | lol |
| 21:18:58 | mark_ | no, they kept the engine on the whole time |
| 21:19:17 | warmi | so, yeah, it is friiggin plane |
| 21:19:25 | mark_ | exept when practicing an engine failure |
| 21:19:37 | warmi | don't tell me it can take off on its own ... |
| 21:19:42 | mark_ | yeh |
| 21:19:43 | mark_ | it can |
| 21:19:50 | warmi | so it IS a plane |
| 21:19:54 | mark_ | yeh |
| 21:20:03 | NetAmp | hahaha |
| 21:20:09 | mark_ | it counts as a plane, i think they just have to call it a glider so they can give gliding scholarships :) |
| 21:20:36 | warmi | hehee |
| 21:21:00 | NetAmp | we could have on the Z a Glide Simulator instead of Flight Simulator ;) |
| 21:21:19 | mark_ | lol, yeh |
| 21:21:32 | warmi | well, you can always say you were gliding |
| 21:22:03 | warmi | just don't mention it had an engine ... |
| 21:22:09 | NetAmp | ;) |
| 21:22:34 | kendrick2 | re |
| 21:22:57 | mark_ | :) |
| 21:23:04 | mark_ | gah i wanna do more gliding/flying |
| 21:23:54 | NetAmp | Oh man I wish I was better at Java (game) programming |
| 21:24:00 | NetAmp | I should go study it more... |
| 21:24:07 | NetAmp | after that maybe I'll even do Qt ;) |
| 21:24:26 | warmi | NetAmp: there is a good chance there will be some sort of contest for Java developers |
| 21:24:36 | warmi | that will be your chance |
| 21:24:52 | NetAmp | I think the most exciting game I made until now was a Tux sliding puzzle ;) heh |
| 21:25:18 | NetAmp | warmi: yeah that's also why :D |
| 21:26:24 | NetAmp | I wonder if companies will develop Java apps for the Z |
| 21:26:35 | NetAmp | I don't think there's much use asking money for them |
| 21:26:44 | NetAmp | cuz you can just decompile most ;) |
| 21:27:07 | NetAmp | (not that i want to, but most companies do ofcourse) |
| 21:27:15 | warmi | well, are there any commercial client side apps being developed in Java ? |
| 21:27:15 | NetAmp | ah well |
| 21:27:23 | NetAmp | hm yeah that's true... |
| 21:27:26 | warmi | I never seen any (commercial ones ) |
| 21:27:34 | warmi | for any platform |
| 21:27:39 | NetAmp | well... chat applets |
| 21:28:06 | warmi | yeah, but I mean more like boxed software one can buy at local software store |
| 21:28:16 | NetAmp | they use some kind of technique to screw up the code.. |
| 21:28:22 | NetAmp | warmi: heh nope |
| 21:28:48 | NetAmp | I believe Java isn't such a good platform for that anyway ;) |
| 21:28:59 | NetAmp | it's too slow and always has the dependencies |
| 21:29:16 | mark_ | what has happneed in the world of Z in the last 9 days then? |
| 21:29:29 | NetAmp | mark: there's a new portal site |
| 21:29:32 | | portal is http://zaurus.loveslinux.com/ or http://www.zauruszone.com/ |
| 21:29:32 | NetAmp | ibot: portal |
| 21:29:40 | Riskable_zaurus | nice |
| 21:29:53 | NetAmp | and the FAQ has improved |
| 21:29:55 | | it has been said that faq is http://www.handhelds.org/handhelds-faq/handhelds-faq.html or http://www.sonic.net/~nbs/zaurus-faq/ |
| 21:29:55 | NetAmp | ibot: faq |
| 21:30:03 | NetAmp | that second one |
| 21:30:03 | NetAmp | http://www.sonic.net/~nbs/zaurus-faq/ |
| 21:30:10 | | Riskable_zaurus: i'm not following you... |
| 21:30:10 | Riskable_zaurus | ibot downloads |
| 21:30:12 | kendrick2 | still needs more work ;) |
| 21:30:32 | mark_ | anything else? |
| 21:30:36 | mark_ | funky software released or nething? |
| 21:30:39 | NetAmp | kendrick2: hey I didn't see you sneaking in ;) heh |
| 21:30:48 | Riskable_zaurus | There's a tons of downloads on zaurus.loveslinux.com |
| 21:31:14 | NetAmp | kendrick2: good job anyway, just the pic at the top scared some people (the humping dinosaur) *lol* |
| 21:31:28 | Riskable_zaurus | anyway, I have to get going to my girlfriend's house... see you blokes latah |
| 21:31:34 | NetAmp | Riskable_zaurus: Cya |
| 21:31:50 | NetAmp | Riskable_zaurus: shown her the Z yet? ;) |
| 21:32:30 | NetAmp | hm I gotta go too... it's past bed time ;) |
| 21:32:36 | warmi | hah |
| 21:32:47 | warmi | me too .. except I need to eat some dinner now |
| 21:32:54 | NetAmp | have great fun everone! |
| 21:32:56 | dauxxx | n8 and cu |
| 21:33:04 | NetAmp | thnx |
| 21:33:37 | mark_ | hancom office been released for SL5000 winners? |
| 21:38:49 | kendrick2 | only trial version |
| 21:39:39 | ljp-- | unless yer special |
| 21:41:14 | ljp-- | thinks about downloading kde3 |
| 21:42:08 | codemnky | any one here do technology consulting/programming/freelance? |
| 21:42:51 | mark_ | codemnky: i will if you want me to :P |
| 21:42:52 | ljp-- | I do, but I dont get paid :) |
| 21:43:09 | codemnky | well, what i'm trying to figure out is what is a good rate to charge |
| 21:43:37 | codemnky | for mostly linux/perl/mysql/apache type development |
| 21:46:17 | ljp-- | hmm $10? |
| 21:59:06 | kendrick2 | hehe... post on comp.sys.handhelds, responding to "frustrated with available choices": |
| 21:59:07 | kendrick2 | Sharp Zaurus |
| 21:59:07 | kendrick2 | Pro: CF2 and SD and 64k-color TFT screen and pull-out keyboard |
| 21:59:07 | kendrick2 | and high quality audio, pretty slim unit |
| 21:59:07 | kendrick2 | Con: not PalmOS, but at least not WinCE. |
| 21:59:50 | killefiz | ;) |
| 21:59:57 | killefiz | Anybody into mod-files? |
| 22:00:05 | killefiz | I'm looking for like a top ten of modfiles |
| 22:02:11 | kendrick2 | YES |
| 22:11:13 | kendrick2 | runs off |
| 22:38:09 | Gepeto | Hey guys, anyone knows of a http proxy I could run on my linux box that stripes down html (removes flash, banners, etc) and resizes/compresses images? |
| 22:38:20 | scanline | is back (gone 01:57:36) |
| 22:43:45 | bewmIES | Look at squid |
| 22:43:49 | bewmIES | And then look at squid plugins |
| 22:43:54 | bewmIES | (redirectors in particular) |
| 22:44:26 | treke_ | squid is probably too heave for a zaurus |
| 22:45:59 | bewmIES | He said "on his linux box" |
| 22:46:09 | bewmIES | Ie, point the Zaurus to the Linux box as it's proxy. |
| 22:46:10 | treke_ | oh, I misread it :) |
| 22:46:12 | bewmIES | :) |
| 22:46:52 | Gepeto | bewmIES: thanks |
| 22:46:56 | ljp-- | starts the big compile: qt3 & kde3 |
| 22:47:09 | Gepeto | ljp--: Qt3 isn't so long to compile |
| 22:47:13 | Gepeto | but kde3....:) |
| 22:47:51 | ljp-- | the last time I compiled qt3 it took a fairly long time on this k2 500 |
| 22:48:13 | bewmIES | plays in the heart of gold band |
| 22:48:18 | ljp-- | I should really switch harddrives with my windows box.. |
| 22:48:28 | bewmIES | eww, k2 |
| 22:48:29 | bewmIES | :) |
| 22:49:05 | Gepeto | ugh |
| 22:49:07 | ljp-- | ya, I would have a p4 2.4 gHz, but.. I have no money left |
| 22:49:12 | Gepeto | by not long I meant 1our on my 1.5ghz P4 |
| 22:49:26 | bewmIES | Get a 1.3GHz Celeron and a Tyan 2080 |
| 22:49:27 | bewmIES | $170 |
| 22:49:46 | bewmIES | I have a Celery 1.3 in my Shuttle box and man does it _fly_ |
| 22:51:16 | ljp-- | anyone know how to compile just qt3 libs and not all those silly examples? |
| 22:57:23 | Gepeto | ljp--: what distro do you use? |
| 22:57:51 | ljp-- | mod'd mandrake 8.2 |
| 22:58:06 | Gepeto | ljp--: ahhh cause I use gentoo and I just wrote "emerge qt3" ;) |
| 22:58:18 | ljp-- | I always compile my own qt & kde |
| 22:58:31 | ljp-- | hmm interesting |
| 22:58:35 | Gepeto | gentoo rocks |
| 22:58:51 | Gepeto | All of my system is compiled from source |
| 22:58:54 | Gepeto | except quake3 |
| 22:58:58 | Gepeto | and some very minor stuff |
| 23:04:58 | Gepeto | damn, cant seem to find a squid plugin to do what I want... |
| 23:05:54 | Gepeto | gonna attempt to steal Handspring's blazer IP and I'll try to use it from konq |
| 23:08:37 | Gepeto | 216.35.16.101 |
| 23:10:57 | Gepeto | scanning it to see on what port it is |
| 23:11:12 | Gepeto | then hoping that it will accept to be fooled by Konqueror |
| 23:22:34 | Gepeto | ok no luck |
| 23:50:38 | roge99 | hey codemnky |
| 23:56:14 | ljp-- | man, I really wish someone would port notepad, I really need a good editor |
| 23:56:33 | Gepeto | ljp--: notepad?! |
| 23:56:39 | Gepeto | notepad != good editor |
| 23:56:58 | Gepeto | maybe if you get a 1gb microdrive, get X running, compile wine, you can run notepad :) |
| 23:57:24 | bewmIES | hah |
| 23:57:28 | bewmIES | the tkcEditor is pretty good |
| 23:57:33 | bewmIES | I like that you can scale down the font size |
| 23:59:11 | ljp-- | just thought I'd get anyone riled up. yep tkcEditor is good. although its huge and slow, and you have to install all their icons and crap. |
| 23:59:27 | ljp-- | I do use it tho. Thats why I started workingon texteditor for opie |
