| 00:00:01 | BZFlag | whardier: tomw says he is looking into adding an ide interface. don't know how soon. |
| 00:02:25 | Gepeto | I must be doing something wrong... |
| 00:02:36 | Gepeto | oh no I'm not |
| 00:02:38 | Gepeto | hehe |
| 00:02:42 | Gepeto | (I am just stupid) |
| 00:02:56 | scanline | something to throw on top of the pile for new Qtopia features: better navigation with the arrow keys. A lot of buttons are too small to hit with a finger accurately and sometimes you just don't want to dig out the stylus to hit one button |
| 00:03:28 | scanline | right now you can't access most features with the arrow keys |
| 00:04:00 | Neo|Work | i think arrow key navigation in general works really well |
| 00:04:21 | Cam | true, there are lots of apps where it would make sense for one or two operations to be on buttons - like the voice recorder or word puzzle |
| 00:04:26 | scanline | um... not really. You can only go up and down in lists, and select large buttons with them |
| 00:04:29 | scanline | what about toolbar buttons? |
| 00:04:34 | Gepeto | it works! |
| 00:04:36 | Gepeto | thanks Neo|Work |
| 00:04:49 | scanline | how do you select the volume thingy using only keys? |
| 00:06:04 | Neo|Work | that is true |
| 00:06:14 | fusion94 | is away: smoke break..... |
| 00:06:21 | Neo|Work | ok/cancel usually works as ok/cancel in dialogs too. |
| 00:06:23 | scanline | makes lots of sense in the media player, especially |
| 00:06:35 | Cam | the hard thing is to get all apps to use the same conventions, if poss |
| 00:06:43 | scanline | well, it shouldn't be the app's job |
| 00:07:01 | scanline | get the GUI toolkit to handle keyboard navigation automatically and it's always consistent |
| 00:07:14 | Neo|Work | apps using QMainWindow (or is it QPEMainWindow?) automatically conforms to the cancel -> quit, menu-> menu conventions |
| 00:07:23 | scanline | I think i found a pretty good way to do it in picogui, might be possible to implement this in Qt |
| 00:07:24 | Neo|Work | the GUI does, |
| 00:07:29 | Cam | and how to present them intuitively (like keyboard shortcuts are shown in menus) |
| 00:07:30 | Neo|Work | however the toolbar does not as you say |
| 00:07:38 | tweaker | What is the best way to start loading more apps onto my Zaurus (without windows)? I'm synced up to the Linux Qtopia Desktop, but can't get it to see my downloaded ipk files. |
| 00:07:57 | Neo|Work | tweaker: where do you put the ipk files? |
| 00:08:20 | scanline | Well... picogui lets you navigate to every button using only arrow keys. It's designed to be nearly 100% functional with no pointing device at all |
| 00:08:23 | tweaker | in my home dir on my linux workstation, I can't get Qtopia Desktop to see them. |
| 00:08:41 | Neo|Work | either put them on cf or sd cars (/mnt/cf and /mnt/card respectively) or in the document dir /home/root/Documents/ I believe |
| 00:08:56 | Neo|Work | scanline: well, you can say the same about Qt |
| 00:08:58 | cbsmith | BTW, what's the word on the XP driver for Zaurus? |
| 00:09:09 | Neo|Work | but not about the task bar (which is your only example of where it doesn't work) |
| 00:09:21 | scanline | no, a lot of apps don't seem to support it... |
| 00:09:27 | scanline | like opera |
| 00:09:38 | Neo|Work | you mean for navigating links? or for the toolbar buttons? |
| 00:09:43 | scanline | both |
| 00:09:46 | Neo|Work | it's possible apps "destroy' button navigation |
| 00:09:53 | scanline | and in the calendar, you can select days but nothing on the toolbar |
| 00:09:59 | | Neo|Work is my local Zaurus tech support wienie... |
| 00:09:59 | fusion94 | ibot whois Neo|Work |
| 00:10:21 | scanline | but if you say the framework's already there, i guess it just needs tweaking |
| 00:10:22 | Neo|Work | I can navigate the buttons using keys in opera... |
| 00:10:49 | tweaker | Neo|Work: the problem is that I can't get them onto the Zaurus. I loaded nethack onto it, but only because qtopia desktop could see that on the default remote app server. |
| 00:11:00 | Neo|Work | except when the main window gets the focus, you need to "tab" out of there. |
| 00:11:03 | Neo|Work | fusion94: haha. :) |
| 00:11:11 | scanline | Neo|Work: ahh.. some things require the tab key, not just arrows |
| 00:11:17 | Neo|Work | right |
| 00:11:17 | fusion94 | Neo|Work: :) |
| 00:11:26 | tweaker | haha |
| 00:11:29 | Neo|Work | tab is in general the way to switch buttons and there is no "tab" key except on the keyboard |
| 00:11:47 | scanline | Neo|Work: not bad then. So now i'm curious how you guys implement it |
| 00:11:50 | scanline | :) |
| 00:11:52 | Neo|Work | basically, widgets can "grab" input but tab seems to override it |
| 00:12:24 | Neo|Work | scanline: you guys? :P I just use qtopia as a dev environment and get it for free |
| 00:12:43 | scanline | hehe |
| 00:12:57 | scanline | well, i'm a low-level kinda guy.. i write things other people get for free |
| 00:13:18 | scanline | i think i've got a pretty good algorithm for picogui, there are just a few cases it doesn't handle well, like side-by-side scrolling lists |
| 00:14:55 | scanline | Qt is memory hungry.. |
| 00:15:35 | Neo|Work | I know what you do, I just can't tell you a lot about how Qt does it |
| 00:15:51 | scanline | ok, just curious |
| 00:15:58 | Riskable | Howdy folks |
| 00:16:30 | kerny|Z | woot |
| 00:16:45 | Riskable | Man this is so cool! First time logging into IRC wirelessly from my Z |
| 00:16:53 | Neo|Work | Riskable: lucky guy you |
| 00:17:02 | Neo|Work | are everyone here insanely rich or something? :P |
| 00:17:04 | tweaker | never mind, I'm dumb |
| 00:17:06 | kerny|Z | me too, it rox! |
| 00:17:31 | Riskable | I'm using tkcJabber (I actually paid for it) |
| 00:17:41 | Neo|Work | I would be glad if I could get wired networking at home |
| 00:17:52 | Riskable | hehe |
| 00:17:53 | Neo|Work | then I could watch TV and hack on the Z |
| 00:18:11 | Riskable | I actually bought the whole tkcBundle |
| 00:18:52 | scanline | x-chat :P |
| 00:18:55 | Riskable | I think I should've just bought the jabber client and the Majhong game |
| 00:18:59 | janel | hola amigos |
| 00:19:04 | Riskable | howdy |
| 00:19:19 | janel | how is everyone doing? |
| 00:19:21 | kerny|Z | Hi Janel |
| 00:19:27 | Riskable | man wireless really wears down the battery fast |
| 00:19:27 | Neo|Work | anyone have any pointers to compact flash ethernet cards (wired)? |
| 00:19:36 | janel | kerny is my friend... |
| 00:19:41 | janel | he's teaching me linux |
| 00:20:05 | Riskable | Linux is a blast |
| 00:20:16 | kerny|Z | I highly recommend tckJabber |
| 00:20:19 | janel | i'm going to set up a samba server at my house |
| 00:20:22 | Neo|Work | "and this one time, at Linux camp..." |
| 00:20:25 | Cam | Neo|Work: I nearly bought a 10/100bt ethernet CF then realised it was huge - like much bigger than CF/WiFi |
| 00:20:25 | janel | LOL |
| 00:20:46 | janel | i'm going to put a distribution on my imac |
| 00:20:59 | Riskable | My Z has started developing a line down the side of the LCD... I think I'm going to return it and get a new one |
| 00:20:59 | Neo|Work | I really don't care much about the size (well, small is nice) just that it's cheaper (I don't have hundreds of dollars for nics) |
| 00:21:04 | kerny|Z | Janel: That means u got Winders. :( |
| 00:21:13 | janel | well, i know |
| 00:21:20 | janel | adobe.... grrr |
| 00:21:23 | Neo|Work | janel: Linux on imac? Brave soul. :) |
| 00:21:24 | scanline | this d-link card sucks... blocks the stylus and headphone port |
| 00:21:28 | Cam | Neo|Work: I could have got the SiteCom (huge) one for 40ukp + tax |
| 00:21:36 | janel | is it hard to work with on imac? |
| 00:21:41 | kerny|Z | Yup. I got the SMC |
| 00:21:45 | Neo|Work | Janel: It's just less mature |
| 00:21:55 | Neo|Work | actually, I never used it on a mac yself |
| 00:21:55 | Riskable | I bought the Z-com card... It's nice |
| 00:22:00 | janel | well, maybe i'll buy a little intel machine or something |
| 00:22:05 | Neo|Work | but you definitely want at least 2-3 mouse buttons |
| 00:22:07 | janel | once i get my bonus.. haha |
| 00:22:17 | Riskable | Doesn't block the stylus or the headphone jack |
| 00:22:17 | kerny|Z | J: AMD |
| 00:22:24 | kerny|Z | :) |
| 00:22:39 | kerny|Z | (re bonus) |
| 00:22:41 | Riskable | Man... I just wish I had sone |
| 00:22:55 | Riskable | some right-click options in opera |
| 00:23:27 | Riskable | I want to be able to click-hold and save images |
| 00:23:41 | Riskable | whole web pages would be nice as well |
| 00:23:55 | Riskable | anyone try out konqueror yet? |
| 00:24:06 | janel | i have |
| 00:24:17 | Riskable | How is it? |
| 00:24:26 | janel | i like it |
| 00:24:34 | janel | i havent' done anything but browse wiht it |
| 00:24:49 | Neo|Work | I think he meant embedded konq |
| 00:24:56 | janel | ho |
| 00:24:57 | janel | oh |
| 00:25:00 | janel | sowwry |
| 00:25:04 | Riskable | I think I'm going to install it later |
| 00:25:16 | Riskable | Yeah, embedded |
| 00:25:23 | kerny|Z | Janel works w/me |
| 00:25:34 | janel | kerny is my resident geek |
| 00:25:38 | janel | i'm his right hand man |
| 00:25:44 | kerny|Z | woman |
| 00:25:46 | janel | wo-man |
| 00:25:48 | Riskable | Anyone try out the camera module? |
| 00:27:08 | Riskable | I think it would be neat to take pictures and instantly send them to your friends |
| 00:27:48 | kendrick2 | emb konq is nice |
| 00:27:51 | kendrick2 | except it's cache is lame |
| 00:28:01 | kendrick2 | sticks directories in /tmp/ :^( |
| 00:28:05 | Neo|Work | can't you disable the cache?" |
| 00:28:08 | kendrick2 | isn't very intelligent about it |
| 00:28:09 | Neo|Work | or configure the location? |
| 00:28:10 | Riskable | Anyone know when SharpMoble is going to launch? |
| 00:28:18 | kendrick2 | neo - i dunno... i haven't used it in a while (not since updating) |
| 00:28:31 | kendrick2 | i liked the multiple windows, and other features... and that it finally got zoom-out (like opera) |
| 00:28:41 | kendrick2 | interface isn't PDA'ish enough tho |
| 00:28:51 | BigBoss | Riskable: last month is what they told me :) |
| 00:29:25 | Riskable | Is there a keyboard shortcut to switch apps on the Z? |
| 00:30:11 | BigBoss | like alt+tab? |
| 00:30:18 | BigBoss | not that I heard of |
| 00:30:28 | Neo|Work | I obviously have no great need for a webbrowser since, well, I always use my Z networking while docked to a fesktop |
| 00:30:31 | Riskable | I'm pondering getting a bluetooth card and using that with my cell phone |
| 00:30:44 | Neo|Work | Riskable: that'd be a nice feature to have indeed |
| 00:31:25 | Riskable | Any carrying cases you guys recommend? |
| 00:32:40 | Riskable | I swear this battery indicator ony has two options... Full and just about empty |
| 00:32:49 | BigBoss | you are correct - it is not very good |
| 00:32:59 | BigBoss | someone was asking about cases the other day, don't know if there was a resolution |
| 00:33:09 | BigBoss | riskable: I hear you know where ogg files are to be found? |
| 00:33:45 | Riskable | Oh yeah... Is there a way to make an icon that launches a command line prog? |
| 00:33:50 | Cam | is there an API to read the battery voltage? |
| 00:35:02 | Riskable | I was going to write a script that just does an rsync between my desktop and the z |
| 00:35:27 | scanline | is away: got work to do |
| 00:35:37 | BigBoss | riskable: can you tell me where to find them? |
| 00:35:41 | Riskable | That way I dont have to be hooked up to the cradle |
| 00:35:44 | kerny|Z | bigboss: The tck Jabber ROCKS! |
| 00:35:56 | BigBoss | kerney: are you using it right now? |
| 00:35:56 | janel | ta ta friends... keep me posted on any hot single men that like to snowboard |
| 00:36:03 | Riskable | oggs? nope |
| 00:36:18 | Riskable | is using tkcJabber |
| 00:36:20 | BigBoss | everyone likes their tkc apps so far? |
| 00:36:33 | BigBoss | we just added group chat the other day |
| 00:37:06 | Riskable | Is it easy to update tkc apps? |
| 00:37:32 | kerny|Z | bigboss: @ shows up as % |
| 00:37:37 | BigBoss | for you as the buyer, us as the vendor or physically putting it in |
| 00:37:49 | BigBoss | kerny: well that is just plain strange |
| 00:37:54 | Riskable | Also, any way to get tkcJabber to allow messages from people NOT in my buddy list? |
| 00:38:10 | Riskable | Me as the buyer |
| 00:38:22 | Riskable | I bought the whole tkcBundle |
| 00:38:36 | BigBoss | glad to hear it :) |
| 00:38:40 | Gepeto | how much does the Bundle cost? |
| 00:38:42 | BigBoss | from us or from handandgo? |
| 00:38:47 | Riskable | Just cuz I love TheKompany :) |
| 00:38:53 | Gepeto | BigBoss: your Jabber app looks very nice |
| 00:38:55 | Riskable | Handango |
| 00:39:00 | BigBoss | 69.95 and has 8 applications worth $95 if bought seperately |
| 00:39:03 | Gepeto | unfortunately I don't have a zaurus right now to test it :) |
| 00:39:11 | BigBoss | just go back to handand go and download it again |
| 00:39:21 | BigBoss | we haven't updated since last weekend however |
| 00:39:26 | BigBoss | you can tell by the dates on the files |
| 00:39:37 | Riskable | Oh cool |
| 00:39:55 | BigBoss | have you tried using the handwriting instead of the keyboard? That just occured to me, I never tried it |
| 00:40:04 | Gepeto | I want the Jabber and the editor as soon as I get a zaurus |
| 00:40:07 | Riskable | I'm logged in wirelessly via tkcJabber right now... totally kickass |
| 00:40:23 | BigBoss | yea, it's a hoot. I carry it around the office like that |
| 00:40:33 | Riskable | keyboard works |
| 00:40:40 | janel | i need someone to let me test a zaurus |
| 00:40:48 | BigBoss | keyboard works fine - I just never tried the handwriting too |
| 00:40:56 | Riskable | well, the on-screen keyboard anyway |
| 00:40:58 | BigBoss | and yes you can accept messages from people not in the buddy |
| 00:41:01 | BigBoss | oh - ok |
| 00:41:31 | Riskable | It doesn't seem to accept people not in my buddy list |
| 00:41:46 | kerny|Z | How can I take a screencap? |
| 00:41:50 | BigBoss | let me see if I can get max to answer that |
| 00:41:52 | Riskable | AOL SN: Riskable |
| 00:42:24 | BigBoss | screencap? |
| 00:42:49 | kerny|Z | What does the green triangle do at the top? |
| 00:42:51 | Gepeto | BigBoss: I suppose he meant screenshot |
| 00:43:11 | BigBoss | riskable: if someone sends you a message, it should just show up regardless |
| 00:43:19 | Riskable | BTW: I seem to be having the problem with the AIM part of tkcJabber... I haven't tried anything else yet |
| 00:43:26 | BigBoss | use a digital camera :) - otherwise you have to do it in the VFB on the desktop |
| 00:43:34 | BigBoss | you have an AIM user? |
| 00:43:40 | Riskable | yes |
| 00:43:44 | BigBoss | I find the gateway transports a bit confusing |
| 00:43:59 | kerny|Z | I found /usr/sharp/bin/scshot |
| 00:44:03 | msmax | reskable: what your jabber nick? |
| 00:44:22 | Riskable | Feature request: up arrow brings back previous chat buffers :) |
| 00:44:33 | Riskable | riskable |
| 00:47:02 | Riskable | Oh, anyone know if the Z mail client has interval checking? |
| 00:51:52 | kerny|Z | My has 137 bogomips, what are others getting? |
| 00:52:18 | kerny|Z | cat /proc/cpuinfi |
| 00:52:29 | kerny|Z | cpuinfo |
| 00:52:30 | bewmIES | bogomips does not really mean that much |
| 00:52:33 | Gepeto | bogomips : 3008.10 |
| 00:52:38 | bewmIES | (see the LKML FAQ) |
| 00:52:39 | Gepeto | oh wait that's my PC ;) |
| 00:53:23 | kerny|Z | I know, my seems slower today, so I wanted a comparison |
| 00:53:24 | Neo|Work | I'd say we all get the same |
| 00:53:38 | Neo|Work | 137.21 or so I |
| 00:57:00 | kerny|Z | What is the green play button for in tckJabber? |
| 01:00:29 | bewmIES | Is there an easy way to tell the difference between a type I and type II CF -> PCMCIA adapter? |
| 01:01:44 | kerny|Z | I discovered today the embedded Opera has included PDF viewer plugin |
| 01:01:54 | bewmIES | Hmm, I think there is something wrong with my gear |
| 01:01:54 | bewmIES | --- 192.168.7.221 ping statistics --- |
| 01:01:54 | bewmIES | 14 packets transmitted, 4 packets received, 71% packet loss |
| 01:01:54 | bewmIES | round-trip min/avg/max = 3.2/12.3/26.4 ms |
| 01:02:00 | bewmIES | That's pinging my Z over wireless |
| 01:02:15 | bewmIES | pinging my desktop from my Z is 100%, no loss |
| 01:03:07 | bewmIES | (and I'm sitting right next to the AP) |
| 01:04:00 | bewmIES | Anybody else experience this (Linksys CF and AP) |
| 01:04:58 | Neo|Work | unfortunately not |
| 01:18:06 | Neo|Work | JasonNJ2: lo. What' |
| 01:18:07 | JasonNJ2 | comments on Slashdot are pretty interesting. |
| 01:18:38 | Riskable | There we go |
| 01:19:30 | Riskable | Now if I could just make it so that tkcJabber would top re-adding the buddies I keep deleting |
| 01:20:56 | tux_mike | JasonNJ2: huh? |
| 01:21:55 | Riskable | Man the Z VNC client is so cool |
| 01:23:44 | Riskable | Anyone know what kind of battery life I can expect while listening to mp3s? |
| 01:23:45 | ljp-- | true that |
| 01:23:54 | JasonNJ2 | tux: comments re the WSJ article |
| 01:24:01 | tux_mike | ah |
| 01:24:19 | JasonNJ2 | the funny thing is, even though we got that lousy review today, Oracle committed to developing apps for us today |
| 01:24:31 | tux_mike | now that my homework is done i should work more on my ab |
| 01:24:32 | JasonNJ2 | and we are in negotiations with IBM and SAP and all these big firms |
| 01:24:35 | Riskable | That WST guy blamed the wong device for his sync problem |
| 01:24:37 | tux_mike | JasonNJ2: cool |
| 01:24:42 | JasonNJ2 | PC Mag really liked our unit |
| 01:24:46 | JasonNJ2 | so does Business Week |
| 01:24:54 | JasonNJ2 | he's going to end up looking like an idiot |
| 01:25:26 | tux_mike | yah. he has some points, but they will be fixed soon enough, right? :) |
| 01:25:28 | Riskable | HOLY CRAP!!! Oracle comitted to developing apps for the z today??? |
| 01:25:32 | JasonNJ2 | everyone is treating one stupid review from this guy like a death sentence |
| 01:25:36 | JasonNJ2 | this guy is not god |
| 01:25:39 | tux_mike | and with some opie stuff... boo-yah! :) |
| 01:25:40 | JasonNJ2 | Risk: YES |
| 01:25:48 | JasonNJ2 | Oracle is a big deal |
| 01:25:53 | MSpin | all in all, the launch seems to have gone excellent |
| 01:25:56 | bewmIES | What kind of apps? |
| 01:25:57 | Riskable | No kidding |
| 01:26:00 | tux_mike | wonders what oracle would put on a Z |
| 01:26:08 | JasonNJ2 | Oracle committing means business will go for it |
| 01:26:11 | bewmIES | me too |
| 01:26:14 | Riskable | The DBAs at work will be psyched |
| 01:26:21 | JasonNJ2 | bew: embedded database, java development stuff, etc. |
| 01:26:28 | bewmIES | Typing SQL queries on this keybaord would royally suck |
| 01:26:35 | JasonNJ2 | You cant do Oracle stuff on a PocketPC or a Palm |
| 01:26:36 | MSpin | an oracle forms runtime? |
| 01:26:44 | tux_mike | hrm |
| 01:26:46 | bewmIES | Yes, but I personally wouldn't want to either. :) |
| 01:26:46 | JasonNJ2 | MS: all kinds of stuff |
| 01:27:16 | bewmIES | ahh, I found my latency problem |
| 01:27:23 | bewmIES | I had powersave mode turned on |
| 01:27:23 | whardier | nothing but the black arts for me |
| 01:27:27 | JasonNJ2 | 1 lousy review is not going to kill us |
| 01:27:28 | bewmIES | Man that KILLS performance. |
| 01:28:06 | tux_mike | hrm... i wonder if we can get more visibility on tech tv... they liked the Z :) |
| 01:28:10 | tux_mike | they like linux |
| 01:28:10 | tux_mike | and stuff |
| 01:29:17 | Riskable | anyone have a link to that oracle announcement? |
| 01:29:39 | Gepeto | what oracle announcement? |
| 01:29:49 | JasonNJ2 | gepeto no announcement yet |
| 01:30:08 | Gepeto | what *could* be announced then? |
| 01:30:09 | Riskable | That they're committing to create apps |
| 01:30:11 | MSpin | wonders when he'll have built in bluetooth;) |
| 01:30:12 | Gepeto | hi JasonNJ2 btw :) |
| 01:30:25 | Riskable | Bluetooth would rock |
| 01:31:06 | Riskable | hehe, built-in will probably be the SL-6000 |
| 01:31:07 | JasonNJ2 | my gut instinct is more people read playboy than the Wall Street Journal. |
| 01:31:08 | MSpin | yesh, it'd work nicely with my t68:) |
| 01:31:11 | JasonNJ2 | :) |
| 01:31:20 | JasonNJ2 | Business Week and PC Mag really like our device |
| 01:31:21 | Riskable | I hio |
| 01:31:47 | Gepeto | JasonNJ2: I'm so unable to wait to get mine |
| 01:31:50 | ljp-- | really likes your device, also |
| 01:31:52 | Riskable | I hope Voicestream starts selling the T68i soon |
| 01:31:57 | Gepeto | the bad reviews I read all concerned the SOFTware |
| 01:32:02 | JasonNJ2 | http://splatwerks.org/images/pb_page_167.small.jpg |
| 01:32:06 | Gepeto | but it runs linux, so tons of hackers, tons of good free software |
| 01:32:11 | whardier | hehehe |
| 01:32:28 | JasonNJ2 | to hell with Mossberg. Hugh Hefner is god! |
| 01:32:52 | Neo|Work | JasonNJ2: any idea how the Zaurus is doing in retail? |
| 01:32:58 | Neo|Work | any buzz / interest etc? |
| 01:32:58 | Riskable | Damn, no way to copy and paste outta tkcJabber |
| 01:33:07 | ljp-- | dirty old man god, that is |
| 01:33:08 | Neo|Work | I don't remember seeing any huge announcement from Zaurus |
| 01:33:09 | JasonNJ2 | Neo: too early to tell, Amazon totally sold out I think |
| 01:33:41 | Neo|Work | "Usually ships within 1 to 2 weeks"... |
| 01:33:48 | Neo|Work | I guess that means they have none in stock. :P |
| 01:33:54 | Riskable | I had ordered mine from amazon, but ended up buying mine at staples |
| 01:34:28 | Riskable | ...because they actually had it {) |
| 01:34:34 | Riskable | :) |
| 01:35:10 | Riskable | I'm so bad... I walked around work all day showing my Z to everyone I saw |
| 01:35:39 | Gepeto | Riskable: Man I know some people who'll be jealous when I'll get mine ;) |
| 01:35:52 | Riskable | We're a big Unix ISP so every really drooled when I demonstrated the bash prompt |
| 01:36:00 | MSpin | I know 2 people who bought as soon as they saw mine |
| 01:36:12 | Gepeto | Riskable: oh my nice :)) |
| 01:36:12 | Riskable | sam e here! |
| 01:36:38 | MSpin | 'gee, that's a nice PDA'...then you slide the lower part down....the eyes get big:) |
| 01:37:01 | Gepeto | Riskable: my father is a big gadget freak....but he stays away from unix now... |
| 01:37:08 | Gepeto | (since the PDP-11s days hehe) |
| 01:37:14 | Gepeto | so he prefers his palm to a zaurus |
| 01:37:15 | MSpin | hehe |
| 01:37:26 | MSpin | I pulled out my palm the other days |
| 01:37:28 | MSpin | err.. day |
| 01:37:29 | Riskable | Two coworkers didn't even know about the Z... They got so excited, "That's the device I've been waiting for forever!" |
| 01:37:32 | Gepeto | I'm sick of the non-powerfullness of my Palm |
| 01:37:34 | MSpin | it had been 4 months |
| 01:37:41 | Gepeto | MSpin: they suck don't they? :| |
| 01:37:56 | Riskable | The built-in keyboard is what really sells this device |
| 01:38:05 | Gepeto | Riskable: and for me it's the Dual slots :) |
| 01:38:21 | Riskable | No kidding, LOL |
| 01:38:32 | Gepeto | THe handera 330 was cool with 2 slots but what's the point of having tons of memory and accessories on a palm... |
| 01:38:51 | Riskable | For me it was a combo Linux/keyboard |
| 01:39:13 | Riskable | I'm a linux FIEND |
| 01:39:20 | Gepeto | I run only linux |
| 01:39:33 | Gepeto | and my other choice was a T615c, which would suck to try to get syncing in linux :) |
| 01:39:46 | Riskable | I just wish there was a function key on the right-hand side of this keyboard |
| 01:39:47 | MSpin | Gepeto: I love my palm;) |
| 01:40:06 | Riskable | I only run Linux as well |
| 01:40:34 | Riskable | Linux at work, Linux at home, and now Linux on my PDA!!! |
| 01:40:36 | MSpin | I have win2k installed in vmware...damn software for class |
| 01:40:45 | Riskable | hehehe |
| 01:40:59 | MSpin | besides that, my microwave doesn't run Linux LOL |
| 01:41:03 | Riskable | Man I love my Z!!! |
| 01:41:08 | MSpin | the TiVo does tho |
| 01:41:38 | Riskable | I haven't been this excited about a new toy in a LONG time |
| 01:41:54 | Gepeto | MSpin: what model do you have? |
| 01:42:05 | Gepeto | MSpin: vmware does work well..surprisingly well |
| 01:42:10 | Riskable | I feel like one of those happy people in a VW commercial |
| 01:42:35 | Gepeto | I'M freaking excited too |
| 01:42:41 | Gepeto | but cause of damn canada in which I was born |
| 01:42:48 | Gepeto | it's gonna take milleniums to get mine shipped |
| 01:42:58 | MSpin | Gepeto: of TiVo? or Z? |
| 01:43:13 | Gepeto | my zaurus |
| 01:43:21 | Gepeto | I wouldnT bother with a tivo up here :| |
| 01:43:44 | Riskable | I can't wait for the wireless games to show up on the Z |
| 01:43:55 | Neo|Work | vmware is nice |
| 01:44:14 | Neo|Work | riskable: did you claim your zaurus by licking it? |
| 01:44:27 | Riskable | Close, LOL |
| 01:44:28 | Neo|Work | Riskable: until then play my excellent non-wired games! |
| 01:44:36 | Neo|Work | that commercial is SO funny |
| 01:44:56 | MSpin | hehe yeah |
| 01:45:09 | Riskable | I called staples to see if they had it in... they did, so I went to pick it up... |
| 01:46:17 | Neo|Work | sugar sa |
| 01:46:19 | Neo|Work | oop |
| 01:46:21 | | it has been said that sa is http://eongames.com/games/sa/ or Strategic Assault - a Command & Conquer clone |
| 01:46:21 | Neo|Work | ibot sa |
| 01:46:23 | Neo|Work | :PP |
| 01:46:38 | Neo|Work | Probably the best selling Zaurus game out there, heh |
| 01:47:07 | Riskable | When I got to the store I asked the guy if they could sell me one... He started his sales pitch with, "It has..." and I inturrupted him and said, |
| 01:47:20 | tux_mike | NeoTron: until you make a bejeweled clone :) |
| 01:47:33 | Riskable | "I'll take it!" |
| 01:47:42 | Neo|Work | tux_mike: bah. :P One of these days... But I might have troubles with time in making an original game |
| 01:47:46 | Riskable | I really want a qix clone |
| 01:47:49 | Neo|Work | busy with porting etc |
| 01:47:50 | tux_mike | :) |
| 01:47:55 | Gepeto | yeah Qix RULES |
| 01:48:10 | Neo|Work | If all the potential deals I have go through I'll have P L E N T Y to do |
| 01:48:13 | tux_mike | wishes he could program games |
| 01:48:16 | Neo|Work | which is good an dbed |
| 01:48:26 | Neo|Work | if anyone here is good with graphics, I need graphics |
| 01:48:30 | Riskable | I bought a book on learning java programming just so I could make apps for the z |
| 01:48:47 | Neo|Work | pay would be purely commission based |
| 01:48:54 | tux_mike | Riskable: you're better off with C++ |
| 01:48:58 | Gepeto | Neo|Work: graphics for what game? |
| 01:49:05 | Riskable | My plan was to make a nice qix clone like Barrack for the mac |
| 01:49:14 | Neo|Work | Gepeto: puzzle style games |
| 01:49:24 | Neo|Work | i.e game pieces, game board and the like |
| 01:49:35 | Gepeto | Neo|Work: like hm...Bejeweled? hehe |
| 01:49:35 | Neo|Work | my current idea for my next game is a space theme but whatever works |
| 01:49:48 | Neo|Work | Gepeto: like that yes, but not necessarily jewels |
| 01:50:00 | Neo|Work | or like Eligo or Candy Cruncher or... :) |
| 01:50:07 | Riskable | Ahh yes, but I'm not a very good programmer... java=easy (no memory management) |
| 01:50:27 | Gepeto | Neo|Work: ok...well I know a guy who's pretty good in graphics...and he wants to get a zaurus in the next month or two or three |
| 01:50:31 | Gepeto | I'll tell him hehe |
| 01:50:35 | Neo|Work | in C++ you can get away with very little direct memory management |
| 01:50:38 | tux_mike | Qt lightens the load on memory management\ |
| 01:50:40 | Riskable | Space game?? Make an escape velocity clone |
| 01:50:58 | tux_mike | is picky abuot memory management though |
| 01:51:08 | Neo|Work | Riskable: well, it's a puzzle game. Actually a clone /similar idea of a kendrick game... |
| 01:52:08 | Riskable | This is awesome... I'm waling around my house while chatting away on IRC! |
| 01:52:16 | Riskable | walking |
| 01:52:26 | Gepeto | Neo|Work: anyways Maybe I can make stuff for preprepre betas (for fun) but I don'T think I'm good enough for a real product ;) |
| 01:53:38 | Gepeto | brb |
| 01:53:46 | Riskable | BTW: I have a alterior motive for learning java... Game on cell phones |
| 01:53:58 | Neo|Work | I can't really stand java, but.. :) |
| 01:54:29 | Riskable | It gets better every day |
| 01:55:20 | Riskable | I have to admit though, I'm not a huge fan of Sun |
| 01:56:46 | JasonNJ2 | hey where is kendrick anyways |
| 01:56:56 | JasonNJ2 | I want to see some of his games on the Z now that we have SDL |
| 01:57:07 | Neo|Work | SDL isn't stable enough for real use I'm afraid |
| 01:57:31 | JasonNJ2 | whats wrong with it? |
| 01:58:37 | Neo|Work | it has at least two issues that need to be fixed before it'll be good enough. |
| 01:59:04 | Neo|Work | well, issue 1: Only updates done are full screen updates. Not a major issue since the update routine is rather fast |
| 01:59:16 | Riskable | Can the C&C clone do multiplayer? |
| 01:59:23 | Neo|Work | the second issue is that the command line arguments aren't parsed / sent to Qtopia |
| 02:01:33 | Neo|Work | which gets the effect that the app isn't removed from the taskbar and starts by itself |
| 02:01:41 | Neo|Work | and also sends qtopia/qcop command lines to the app itself |
| 02:03:44 | Gepeto | back |
| 02:04:31 | Riskable | welcome |
| 02:04:37 | Gepeto | thanks |
| 02:08:06 | Onetrack | 01,9901hey 01,99does01,99 01,99anyone01,99 01,99know01,99 01,99what01,99 01,99the01,99 01,99firm01,99 01,99UK01,99 01,99release01,99 01,99date01,99 01,99is?01,9901,99 |
| 02:27:07 | Neo|Work | away home |
| 02:27:12 | Neo|Work | is away: home |
| 02:27:17 | Gepeto | be back soon? |
| 02:32:40 | Riskable | is there a countdown timer for the z? |
| 02:33:08 | Riskable | I know about the stopwatch |
| 02:35:16 | JasonNJ2 | risk, planning to turn your Z into a bomb? |
| 02:36:23 | tux_mike | jason! FindDialog class is missing from the Z! grr! it's why my prog don't work! :) |
| 02:36:29 | Gepeto | hahaha |
| 02:36:35 | Gepeto | Compact Flash C4 stick |
| 02:36:47 | warmi | hi |
| 02:36:47 | JasonNJ2 | whats FindDialog |
| 02:36:58 | tux_mike | a QPE class |
| 02:39:43 | JasonNJ2 | its in Opie but not the Z? |
| 02:40:07 | Gepeto | JasonNJ2: can you get Opie on the Z? (I suppose you can) |
| 02:40:13 | tux_mike | JasonNJ2: it's in Qtopia but not the Z. |
| 02:40:13 | Gepeto | (very dumb question I'm sure) |
| 02:40:26 | tux_mike | WARNING: Do *NOT* define this yourself. The SL5xxx from SHARP does NOT |
| 02:40:26 | tux_mike | have this class. |
| 02:41:03 | ljp-- | there's a few classes that are in qpe, but either Sharp doesn't use them, or they changed them. |
| 02:41:10 | tux_mike | that's a comment in the code |
| 02:41:24 | ljp-- | PITA |
| 02:41:25 | tux_mike | but the heders are still in the SDK |
| 02:41:26 | warmi | Gepeto: Opie is clone of Qtopia, people develop it for Zaurus :-) |
| 02:41:39 | tux_mike | ljp--: quite |
| 02:42:21 | Gepeto | warmi: well that's what I thought :) Is it usable? Could I use it to replace the stuff on my zaurus ? |
| 02:42:30 | ljp-- | even some useful functions aren't defined in the Sharp version.. MimeTypes::extension() for one |
| 02:42:50 | Riskable | Bomb... WinCE couldn't do that! |
| 02:43:02 | Gepeto | yes it could! |
| 02:43:03 | ljp-- | Gepeto: yes. or you could wait for the Openzaurus rom which will use opie apps |
| 02:43:05 | warmi | I guess you could ... I never have tried it so I am not the best person to comment on usability of Opie |
| 02:43:06 | Gepeto | if yuou didn't want it to |
| 02:43:13 | Gepeto | ljp--: yeah I could do that :) |
| 02:43:35 | ljp-- | I rolled my own rom.. using apps from Sharp, and some from Oopie |
| 02:43:54 | tux_mike | i think there'll have to be 2 versions of my AB, one for opie/Qtopia, another for the Z |
| 02:45:13 | ljp-- | I've run into similar problems.. I just decided that the Sharp version will be less functional |
| 02:45:21 | tux_mike | ljp--: what apps from opie are you using? |
| 02:46:44 | warmi | just tried Hancom MobileWord ..frankly, functionality wise it resembles Wordpad on Windows :-) |
| 02:46:53 | ljp-- | curently my custom rom uses drawpad, Calender, mediaplayer systen info, konsole, clock, calculator, text edit, kcheckers from Opie |
| 02:47:07 | tux_mike | no addressbook! >:( |
| 02:47:31 | ljp-- | soon, I will add opie's qpe/launcher, appearance, |
| 02:47:35 | ljp-- | not yet.. :) |
| 02:47:47 | tux_mike | and why not? |
| 02:48:08 | Gepeto | is dying |
| 02:48:22 | Gepeto | I want my zaurus nowwww ;) |
| 02:48:45 | Riskable | interesting... You should release your own Z distro :) |
| 02:49:11 | ljp-- | opies AB need font handling |
| 02:49:15 | tux_mike | ljp--: what is the QTOPIA_INTERNAL_FD macro used for? |
| 02:49:22 | Riskable | I love my Z... chatting to you all from it atm actually |
| 02:49:29 | tux_mike | ljp--: explain damnit so i can fix it! :) |
| 02:49:46 | warmi | Gepeto: did you already order one ? |
| 02:50:12 | ljp-- | Sharp's AB you can change the font to small. |
| 02:50:23 | ljp-- | you can grok textedit to see how fonts are done |
| 02:50:50 | tux_mike | in what widgets? |
| 02:51:31 | Gepeto | warmi: someone I know is selling me his but someone owes me money and I have to wait for him to reimburse me |
| 02:51:52 | ljp-- | tux: I wrote a font dialog |
| 02:52:10 | ljp-- | but it can be simplified a great deal |
| 02:52:16 | tux_mike | ljp--: yah, i know, i'll use it, but what widgets do you want to change the fonts in? |
| 02:52:33 | ljp-- | oohhh.. the main view |
| 02:52:40 | tux_mike | the list? |
| 02:52:47 | warmi | Gepeto: hahah |
| 02:53:01 | warmi | Gepeto: 5000D or 5500 ? |
| 02:53:14 | ljp-- | yes list |
| 02:53:22 | Gepeto | warmi: 5000d |
| 02:53:29 | tux_mike | ok. it's on my todo list. |
| 02:53:36 | Gepeto | anything wrong with that? I mean I'll compensate with more flash cards and I'll survive with 32megs... |
| 02:53:40 | Gepeto | I hope |
| 02:53:52 | warmi | I have 5000D |
| 02:53:58 | ljp-- | I will add it because it handles entry much better |
| 02:54:09 | warmi | so far , 32 MB is ok ... having problems running gdb though ... |
| 02:55:08 | ljp-- | I really want to add opies appearance app.. :) colors, man |
| 02:55:21 | Gepeto | well I'm not really gonna use debuggers warmi :) |
| 02:55:42 | warmi | well, other than that I love it |
| 02:55:58 | JasonNJ2 | I havent seen the opie appearance app yet |
| 02:56:10 | JasonNJ2 | I like Today |
| 02:56:16 | warmi | sure, I would love to have 64 MB under the hood but cannot complain since I got mine for free ( well, almost for free) |
| 02:56:21 | JasonNJ2 | everyone internally at Sharp is now using the Opie Today |
| 02:56:29 | Gepeto | warmi: me too (almost free) |
| 02:56:45 | Gepeto | I mean for the real price of a 5500 I could almost add a 1gb microdrive in it so.. |
| 02:57:07 | ljp-- | appearance you can now define your own color scheme |
| 02:57:16 | ljp-- | any color |
| 02:57:17 | Gepeto | ljp--: URL? |
| 02:57:20 | Gepeto | (to screenshots) |
| 02:57:35 | warmi | Jason: this is sick ... why not make it default Z GUI shell then :-) |
| 02:57:37 | ljp-- | hmmm I dont think theres screenshots just yet |
| 02:58:14 | ljp-- | opie will be the basis for openzaurus rom |
| 03:03:31 | ljp-- | and opie remembers what inputmethod you prefer |
| 03:09:51 | JasonNJ2 | warmi what is sick |
| 03:09:52 | JasonNJ2 | Today? |
| 03:11:44 | Gepeto | JasonNJ2: he means running opie and not making it the default Z gui shell |
| 03:13:08 | JasonNJ2 | well, I am sure a lot of Opie enhancements will make it into the next Z |
| 03:13:25 | JasonNJ2 | and probably into a software update |
| 03:13:39 | JasonNJ2 | but then again, OpenZaurus is a very good solution |
| 03:14:26 | ljp-- | ya.. besides, we're just a bunch of amateures, anyway :) |
| 03:14:50 | ljp-- | OZ just needs konq to work well |
| 03:15:03 | JasonNJ2 | sharp internally is very interested in what is going on with Opie and OZ |
| 03:15:14 | JasonNJ2 | we are watching it very closely |
| 03:15:31 | ljp-- | groovey. it changes constantly.. |
| 03:16:40 | ljp-- | does Sharp contract out its qpe work? or is that handled by HSharp devs? |
| 03:20:29 | Riskable | OK, time for me to put this Z on the cradle and hit the sack... See you blokes latah |
| 03:21:18 | JasonNJ2 | ljp some is done at Lineo Japan, some is done internally and some is done at Trolltech |
| 03:23:37 | finkployd_II | I would LOVE to see Lineo combine two of their projects and make VPN available in their embedded os :) |
| 03:23:46 | finkployd_II | </HINT> |
| 03:23:54 | whardier | no pun intended |
| 03:23:57 | tux_mike | grumbles |
| 03:24:40 | finkployd_II | BZFlag: you are a Lineo person, right? |
| 03:25:54 | ljp-- | yes, he is |
| 03:26:52 | finkployd_II | BZFlag: The Zaurus needs a VPN solution |
| 03:26:56 | finkployd_II | every other PDA has one |
| 03:27:29 | Gepeto | finkployd_II: what's your VPN solution for Palm ? (I'm curious...I never saw anything and it would be interesting) |
| 03:27:30 | ljp-- | vpn? |
| 03:27:42 | Gepeto | ljp--: Virtual Private Networking |
| 03:28:02 | Gepeto | like "I'm on the lan but I'm not on the lan, I'm far far away using my PDA on a wireless network 3023km away" :) |
| 03:28:10 | finkployd_II | Gepeto: Let me find it.... |
| 03:29:17 | finkployd_II | this is a popular one http://www.certicom.com/products/movian/movianvpn.html |
| 03:29:42 | finkployd_II | and another http://www.safenet-inc.com/news/viewstory.asp?ID=181 |
| 03:30:11 | JasonNJ2 | dang, some net shops are selling the Z for 459.00 |
| 03:30:22 | finkployd_II | cool |
| 03:30:47 | JasonNJ2 | techdepot.com |
| 03:30:54 | JasonNJ2 | thats a good price |
| 03:31:15 | Gepeto | finkployd_II: that's cool |
| 03:31:22 | finkployd_II | how much better is the battery on the 5500? |
| 03:31:47 | finkployd_II | Because that is really the only reason I can think of to upgrade from the 5000 now that I'm using Paul's SD ROM |
| 03:31:57 | Gepeto | what is Paul's SD rom ? |
| 03:32:07 | Gepeto | is that the thing to mount a SD in /home ? |
| 03:32:14 | BZFlag | finkployd_II: the Z kernel source is available. feel free to add freeswan. |
| 03:32:16 | JasonNJ2 | fink: about a 20 percent improvment |
| 03:32:22 | BZFlag | also ssh is now available for download. |
| 03:32:22 | JasonNJ2 | but its all due to the cradle |
| 03:32:29 | JasonNJ2 | the battery itself is the same |
| 03:32:42 | finkployd_II | can we purchase that cradle? |
| 03:32:44 | JasonNJ2 | and I think some slight microcode improvements on the unit |
| 03:32:49 | finkployd_II | oh |
| 03:32:54 | JasonNJ2 | yeah the cradle works fine with the 5000D |
| 03:33:26 | JasonNJ2 | if you want a spare cradle I would use your old one for home and get the 5500 one for the office |
| 03:33:33 | JasonNJ2 | thats what I do with my 5000D |
| 03:33:48 | Gepeto | how much does the cradle cost? |
| 03:33:51 | JasonNJ2 | my 5000D permananetly runs OpenZaurus |
| 03:33:57 | finkployd_II | Yeah, that is what I'm thinking of doing? Is the cradle going to be sold in stored or can it only be ordered from Sharp? |
| 03:34:10 | finkployd_II | BZFlag: Hmmm, I'll look into that. |
| 03:34:23 | JasonNJ2 | $49.95 for the cradle |
| 03:34:36 | JasonNJ2 | from mobileplanet |
| 03:34:40 | JasonNJ2 | or from sharpplace.com |
| 03:34:43 | finkployd_II | ok cool |
| 03:35:03 | Gepeto | finkployd_II: Paul's SD rom ..I know it's called SD but would it work with a CF card too? (if it's what I Think, the thing to mount the SD in /home) |
| 03:36:00 | finkployd_II | Gepeto: I don't know. I suppose it could, but the benefit of running off the SD card is that you have the CF slot for other things (networking, etc) |
| 03:36:12 | tux_mike | Gepeto: problem with making sd rom cf rom, 1) you won't be able to flash easily. 2) you will not be able to use network cards and the like |
| 03:36:27 | Gepeto | yeah I know but short term I might have a 64mb laying in a drawer |
| 03:36:33 | finkployd_II | Plus now that I think about it, how would you flash a ROM onto a CF card from a CF card |
| 03:36:40 | Gepeto | of course I'd rather get a 128mb SD |
| 03:37:34 | Gepeto | checks ebay prices |
| 03:38:02 | tux_mike | finkployd_II: you'd need 2 cards |
| 03:38:06 | finkployd_II | I'm pretty happy with my 5000 running the SD ROM from a 32MB card. Pretty much gives me the same memory configuration as a 5500 |
| 03:38:12 | finkployd_II | Although much slower |
| 03:38:29 | tux_mike | i want a 5500 and sd rom |
| 03:39:05 | finkployd_II | That might be overkill, I have not come close to running out of memory with a 32MB heap |
| 03:39:14 | tux_mike | i have |
| 03:39:59 | finkployd_II | I even tried, I loaded all the hancom apps, the pda stuff, opera, tkcjabber, and the media player. Still worked fine |
| 03:40:11 | tux_mike | try kstars... boom! |
| 03:40:19 | finkployd_II | what is kstars? |
| 03:40:27 | tux_mike | astronomy app |
| 03:40:30 | finkployd_II | ah |
| 03:40:33 | JasonNJ2 | fink: opera is usually the culprit, the opera.ini should be adjusted to use less cache |
| 03:40:49 | JasonNJ2 | I have mined tuned down to 1MB on my 5000D |
| 03:40:54 | finkployd_II | yeah, opera gave me plenty of problems with a regular rom. |
| 03:40:56 | JasonNJ2 | instead of 3MB |
| 03:41:06 | finkployd_II | The image viewer can have problems with large images also |
| 03:41:19 | JasonNJ2 | fink: its the software |
| 03:41:25 | JasonNJ2 | the image viewer is horrendous |
| 03:41:30 | JasonNJ2 | tkcgallery is awesome |
| 03:41:36 | JasonNJ2 | it gets past all those issues |
| 03:41:40 | finkployd_II | perhaps Sharp should license it :) |
| 03:41:43 | JasonNJ2 | they re-wrote the jpeg engine |
| 03:41:50 | JasonNJ2 | much more efficient |
| 03:41:58 | blade8086 | could anyone get the hancompresenterviewer.ipk to work? mine didn't. kept getting 'bus errors' ... could someone perhaps md5sum the .ipk |
| 03:43:08 | tux_mike | i only tried word |
| 03:43:40 | blade8086 | my word and sheet work... dont care so much about presenter, but I was just wondering if it was me or common... |
| 03:44:07 | finkployd_II | I only tried word and sheet :) |
| 03:47:02 | JasonNJ2 | gashish |
| 03:47:07 | gashish | yessir |
| 03:47:08 | JasonNJ2 | havent heard that word in a while |
| 03:47:37 | gashish | ah, normally gash, but i'm still logged in from the orrifice :) |
| 03:47:57 | blade8086 | does anyone have any experience building qt-embedded/qpe from scratch recently? |
| 03:47:57 | Gepeto | I gotta go...see you tomorrow |
| 03:48:12 | ljp-- | blade: yep |
| 03:49:04 | gashish | you guys see the negative post review on /. ? |
| 03:49:22 | blade8086 | umm, basically, accodring to the docs on qpe.sourceforge it says I should patch qt with a patch from the qpe dist, but the patches only go up to qte-2.3.1 (current is 2.3.2) so, does this mean I should use 2.3.1 or simply not patch 2.3.2? |
| 03:49:42 | JasonNJ2 | gashish yes |
| 03:50:12 | JasonNJ2 | mossberg is not bright, we know this |
| 03:50:14 | ljp-- | blade: use 2.3.2 w/o patch |
| 03:50:25 | blade8086 | thnx ljp-- |
| 03:50:53 | JasonNJ2 | any product reviewer that refuses to call tech support or read teh documentation is a very dangerous person indeed |
| 03:51:00 | finkployd_II | The topic of my LUG meeting tonight was the Zaurus, I gave a demo and I think some more people are going to buy it soon :) |
| 03:51:29 | JasonNJ2 | If I handed in reviews like that when I wrote for ZDNet or CMP or Linux Mag I would have been laughed at and never allowed to write for them again |
| 03:51:34 | JasonNJ2 | the guy did not do his homework |
| 03:51:35 | gashish | JasonNJ2: I don't think they realize the power of the Z, they are just reviewing the gui |
| 03:52:01 | JasonNJ2 | if you review a product and encounter problems, you call tech support |
| 03:52:24 | JasonNJ2 | evaluating a company's tech support is critical to the evaluation of the product |
| 03:52:30 | blade8086 | ljp--: do you recall which qconfig you used to ./configure qt-embedded? I suppose this is up to me, but I am new to qt. |
| 03:52:46 | blade8086 | nvrmind, I missed a step |
| 03:53:24 | ljp-- | ./configure -qconfig qpe |
| 03:54:35 | gashish | question, I've had the 5500 for 3 days (and I love it), I would like to get a CF ethernet adapter, could you guys reccomend one that is known to work with the 5500? |
| 03:55:03 | ljp-- | Socket |
| 03:55:16 | gashish | Socket Communications? |
| 03:55:18 | finkployd_II | Socket doesn't work with the 5500 does it? |
| 03:55:23 | nasa | has trolltech released a new version of qtopiadesktop? |
| 03:55:46 | JasonNJ2 | fink: it will shortly |
| 03:56:01 | JasonNJ2 | gashish: go with the DLink |
| 03:56:15 | gashish | JasonNJ2: could I bother you for a URL? |
| 03:56:20 | finkployd_II | Until then, the DLink really good, the Linksys a slightly less good, and the SMC sucks up too much power :) |
| 03:56:23 | JasonNJ2 | the linksys is also good, but we are working on some driver fixes for it |
| 03:56:45 | finkployd_II | I have found the Linksys to have slightly worse reception than the DLink |
| 03:56:49 | gashish | I'm a big linksys fan, i'd like to support them if possible |
| 03:56:50 | tux_mike | finkployd_II: the dlink sucks more than the smc |
| 03:56:59 | JasonNJ2 | http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00005OSTN/qid=1017979183/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_67_1/104-6996712-1361516 |
| 03:57:02 | JasonNJ2 | 85 bucks |
| 03:57:14 | JasonNJ2 | dang thats cheap |
| 03:57:23 | tux_mike | for? |
| 03:57:47 | JasonNJ2 | for the dlink |
| 03:57:50 | tux_mike | ah |
| 03:57:50 | JasonNJ2 | on amazon |
| 03:58:17 | tux_mike | i hate dlink. i have too many problems with them |
| 03:58:18 | gashish | JasonNJ2: cool, do you have a recomendation for a 10b-T adapter? |
| 03:58:27 | JasonNJ2 | socket LPE |
| 03:58:32 | JasonNJ2 | that works out of the box |
| 03:58:43 | tux_mike | JasonNJ2: what was the power TX/RX/STBY of the DLink? |
| 03:59:00 | finkployd_II | DLink has worked well for us, but it is butt ugly and too big |
| 03:59:02 | JasonNJ2 | tux: lousy |
| 03:59:05 | gashish | JasonNJ2 ok, thats the socket communications adapter? |
| 03:59:13 | finkployd_II | power consumption seems to be the same as Linksys in my tests |
| 03:59:17 | JasonNJ2 | pretty much all of the current generation of CF cards stink |
| 03:59:26 | tux_mike | more than 350/250/100? |
| 03:59:28 | JasonNJ2 | the Prism 3 ones will be better |
| 03:59:35 | finkployd_II | is the Socket really that much better than all the others? |
| 03:59:38 | JasonNJ2 | the socket wlan is nice |
| 03:59:42 | finkployd_II | It sure is more expensive |
| 03:59:43 | JasonNJ2 | eats less in standby |
| 04:00:01 | JasonNJ2 | its the one pretty much everyone wants working |
| 04:00:27 | JasonNJ2 | I use a dlink |
| 04:00:41 | JasonNJ2 | and sometimes a linksys |
| 04:00:45 | JasonNJ2 | when doing testing |
| 04:00:57 | JasonNJ2 | the range on the dlink is somewhat better |
| 04:01:07 | JasonNJ2 | cause it has a huge tranceiver |
| 04:01:16 | JasonNJ2 | but it juices the battery big time |
| 04:01:17 | tux_mike | yah, the range on my smc sucks |
| 04:01:27 | gashish | JasonNJ2: Ok, so dlink for wireless and socket lpe for land based? |
| 04:01:39 | tux_mike | i need to hack my AP to put a bigger antenna |
| 04:01:42 | JasonNJ2 | the operative think to do is not have your wlan plugged in all the time :) |
| 04:01:52 | JasonNJ2 | just plug it in when you need to pop your mail or whatever |
| 04:02:16 | JasonNJ2 | gashish yeah that would be accurate |
| 04:02:34 | finkployd_II | JasonNJ2: a way to toggle it on or off from Qtopia would be nice </hint> |
| 04:02:35 | finkployd_II | :) |
| 04:02:38 | gashish | JasonNJ2: great, thanks for the help, i'll get both tomorrow |
| 04:02:47 | JasonNJ2 | the socket 10/100 is also nice but we are working out some driver issues with that as well |
| 04:05:12 | gashish | I wonder if any local merchants carry any CF network cards |
| 04:05:23 | gashish | hates waiting :) |
| 04:05:30 | finkployd_II | Circuit City seems to be carrying the Linksys one |
| 04:05:47 | finkployd_II | And a horribly overpriced Tagent CF modem |
| 04:06:09 | gashish | finkployd_II really? hrmz, thanks, I'll knock them over, ermz, go look tomorrow |
| 04:06:32 | tux_mike | i should go to bed |
| 04:06:36 | finkployd_II | me too |
| 04:07:00 | gashish | night, thanks for the help guys |
| 04:08:15 | finksleeping | that is why I'm here :) |
| 04:08:22 | finksleeping | that, and I have almost no life to speak of |
| 04:08:40 | gashish | hehe |
| 04:12:24 | kerny|home | Anyone alive? |
| 04:12:44 | gashish | pong |
| 04:12:55 | gashish | but i'm a noob :( |
| 04:13:23 | kerny|home | Does anyone know how to check if you wireless nick is using power saving features? |
| 04:14:15 | finksleeping | It isn't |
| 04:14:18 | finksleeping | :) |
| 04:15:05 | finksleeping | as far as I know, nothing that currently works on the Z has power saving features (at least, effective ones) |
| 04:15:12 | finksleeping | and now I really am going to sleep |
| 04:15:52 | gashish | hehe night fink |
| 04:23:23 | blade8086 | how to bypass qpe again? |
| 04:25:37 | blade8086 | on bootup |
| 04:26:49 | finksleeping | <blade8086> forward slash |
| 04:27:16 | MEGASTeP | is away: I'm away, dammit |
| 04:37:30 | blade8086 | hey ljp-- : do I need to move the qt-embedded libs out of their compile dir |
| 04:37:30 | blade8086 | +before cross compiling them for the Z, or does it add some `arm-linux-` |
| 04:37:30 | blade8086 | +prefix? |
| 04:39:48 | blade8086 | I just compiled alsa manually... |
| 04:40:12 | blade8086 | b/c gentoo uses stable and some new sound apps require .9beta... |
| 04:40:27 | blade8086 | definately |
| 04:41:33 | gashish | oso tired, night guys |
| 04:46:07 | kerny|home | Where can I get the source code for the kernel shipped on the SL-5500? |
| 04:47:59 | blade8086 | does anyone know of a way to use a console style clipboard e.g. shift tapping ? |
| 04:52:30 | JasonNJ2 | kerney: its the same one on the developer web site |
| 05:00:14 | bewmIES | whee |
| 05:05:39 | BigBoss | yo chillins - what up? |
| 05:08:14 | CrazyGeek | Anyone know how to get the Zaurus with an SMC 802.11 card to talk to an Apple Airport? |
| 05:08:43 | bewmIES | Send them both to school to learn a language, make sure it's the same. |
| 05:08:48 | bewmIES | Then sit them in a room with a cup of coffee. |
| 05:08:49 | bewmIES | :) |
| 05:09:30 | CrazyGeek | If only... |
| 05:19:31 | CrazyGeek | Anyone know where the Zaurus port of Quake can be downloaded from? |
| 05:21:26 | bewmIES | Check out open.handhelds.org |
| 05:21:43 | bewmIES | Actually no, here: http://qpe.sourceforge.net/packages/ipaq/unstable/ |
| 05:26:01 | CrazyGeek | Thanks |
| 05:26:10 | bewmIES | np |
| 05:39:45 | adrift | CrazyGeek: here's some screenies: http://www.insomniq.com/files/zaurus/shots/quake.html |
| 05:40:44 | adrift | and the sourceforge project for it: http://handheldquake.sourceforge.net/ and http://sourceforge.net/projects/handheldquake/ |
| 05:52:49 | kerny | What .config file was used to compile the SL-5500 kernel? |
| 05:55:02 | bewmIES | arch/arm/def-configs/collie |
| 05:55:10 | bewmIES | Assuming you're talking about sl5000d-20020318 |
| 05:58:26 | kerny | What should the Default Remote MAC Address be? |
| 05:59:05 | bewmIES | * Add proc fs for pen pressure threshold on SHARP SL5000D |
| 05:59:05 | bewmIES | * 09-08-2001 SHARP |
| 05:59:09 | bewmIES | kerny: No idea |
| 05:59:17 | bewmIES | That's cool, I didn't know you could play with that in /proc |
| 06:02:23 | kerny | What is the good best filesystem to use on a SD card? jffs or jffs2? |
| 06:04:08 | bewmIES | For what purpose? |
| 06:04:29 | kerny | Not wearing it out |
| 06:04:46 | kerny | Do you do a "make bzImage" or what? |
| 06:05:03 | kerny | Is there any cross-compile stuff you have to setup first? |
| 06:05:20 | bewmIES | Read the developer docs on the developer site |
| 06:06:28 | blade8086 | has anyone build the qvfb from scratch? I keep getting linker errors.. |
| 06:16:18 | kerny | I download those cross-compile RPMs and install them, anything else? |
| 06:21:52 | kend-zaur | re |
| 06:23:01 | blade8086 | right... |
| 06:23:15 | blade8086 | I'm thinking know that I have the wrong qt installed... |
| 06:23:54 | blade8086 | what version did it work for you? I have currently 2.3.1, but am trying to install 2.3.2 qte... |
| 06:24:07 | blade8086 | oops wrong chan |
| 06:31:21 | kend-zaur | cya |
| 07:10:41 | NeoTron | evening |
| 07:12:55 | bewmIES | re |
| 07:24:47 | n32313187 | hello |
| 07:25:01 | whardier | la |
| 07:36:42 | bewmIES | doo |
| 08:13:02 | scanline | is back (gone 07:37:34) |
| 08:15:12 | NeoTron | anyone know anything about clipboard handlign in Qtopia? Does it exist? |
| 08:20:02 | bewmIES | No idea |
| 08:25:44 | bewmIES | What is the proper way to exit from a qtopia app? |
| 08:35:32 | porto | morning ;) |
| 08:37:41 | scanline | hi |
| 08:47:01 | porto | i have a question it have a newsreader for pamos ? |
| 08:47:32 | porto | that i can download an read the news offline ? |
| 08:56:52 | NeoTron | pamos? you mean PalmOS? |
| 08:56:58 | NeoTron | and if so, how about asking in #palmchat? :P |
| 08:57:05 | porto | sorry yes ;) |
| 08:57:23 | NeoTron | bewmIES: I have found that qApp->quit/exit is NOT the right way to exit. |
| 08:57:42 | NeoTron | I actually use exit(0) these days and it works the best... |
| 08:58:02 | porto | well i have buy now a handspring visor hadge ;) because here ist the zaurus to exoensiv but i thn to buy one in 6 month ;) |
| 08:59:08 | NeoTron | well, I bet #palmchat is the better place to ask then. :P |
| 09:02:01 | bewmIES | Would you ask a Windows question in #linux? |
| 09:02:10 | bewmIES | (that's basically what you're doing ;)) |
| 09:19:58 | bewmIES | wheesplit |
| 12:13:35 | ][N-Flux | is away: work |
| 12:58:35 | benmeyer | Yawwwhhhhhhn :) |
| 12:58:39 | benmeyer | Morning |
| 13:00:03 | ljp-- | ****Stretch*** hi |
| 14:06:17 | benmeyer | Dr_Who Rochester NY? |
| 14:06:48 | Dr_Who | nope... Rochester Mn |
| 14:06:54 | Dr_Who | greetings |
| 14:07:00 | benmeyer | Greetings to you |
| 14:07:05 | benmeyer | Interested in the Zaurus? |
| 14:07:13 | Dr_Who | more than interested... have one |
| 14:07:29 | Dr_Who | I'm a member of the embedded linux team here at IBM |
| 14:07:54 | benmeyer | Ah cool. |
| 14:08:15 | benmeyer | Suposidly IBM would like to have there kernel etc used on the Zaurus |
| 14:08:58 | Dr_Who | huh? there's no such thing as an IBM kernel |
| 14:09:21 | scanline | what would "etc" encompass in this case? |
| 14:09:23 | benmeyer | I mean there linux-enhanced kernel disro or something along that lines :) |
| 14:09:42 | benmeyer | Not prevee to all the intormation yet :) |
| 14:09:50 | Dr_Who | we don't have a "linux-enhanced kernel distro" or anything even close to something like that |
| 14:10:07 | Dr_Who | we are not in the business of creating distros |
| 14:10:18 | Dr_Who | we're not even interested in creating distros 8-) |
| 14:10:21 | scanline | tries to wrap his brain around the term "linux-enhanced kernel distro" but gives up very quickly |
| 14:10:30 | benmeyer | feels dumb. Anyway... |
| 14:10:38 | Dr_Who | we do however like to help out where ever we can |
| 14:10:54 | Dr_Who | kernel patches, new function, device drivers... that sort of thing |
| 14:10:59 | benmeyer | Currently working on re-vamping ZaurusZone to better help developers |
| 14:11:06 | Dr_Who | ah ... cool |
| 14:11:15 | scanline | Dr_Who: anyone there interested in the Helio? |
| 14:11:23 | benmeyer | Going to try to get up a new HowTo everyweek or whatnot |
| 14:11:27 | benmeyer | Helio? |
| 14:11:32 | Dr_Who | scanline: not that I know of |
| 14:11:56 | scanline | Helio's a really cheap (like $50 if you can still find 'em) handheld that can run linux |
| 14:11:59 | benmeyer | What are some excellent Developer sites that I can use as references? |
| 14:12:03 | Dr_Who | tho mostly I've been interested in the PowerPC 405 LP as of late... an ultra low power embedded ppc chip... |
| 14:12:22 | Dr_Who | wow .. down to $50 ... |
| 14:12:38 | Dr_Who | I remember when it was like $200 or so ... I thought about picking one up and got an iPAQ instead |
| 14:12:51 | benmeyer | How much battery life can you save over arm? |
| 14:13:41 | Dr_Who | well things are getting to the state where processors aren't the consumer of power these days in a handheld ... it's the LCD |
| 14:14:05 | scanline | Dr_Who: i started the Pico/Linux distro for the Helio, but it's been suffering from major lack of interest for a while |
| 14:14:18 | Dr_Who | scanline: o wow! |
| 14:14:39 | benmeyer | I would really like a b&w lcd that looks good without the backlit on |
| 14:14:51 | benmeyer | The Zaurus for example seems way to dark without it on |
| 14:14:55 | scanline | Dr_Who: i realized i can't maintain a GUI system and a distro at the same time ;) |
| 14:14:59 | benmeyer | Like the old palms did |
| 14:15:24 | Dr_Who | scanline: at the moment for a 405 board I'm working I need to sort of assemble something distro like to fit into 32 or 64 megs |
| 14:15:39 | Dr_Who | I've been thinking of using Open Zaurus as a base |
| 14:15:49 | Dr_Who | scanline: which GUI system do you maintain? |
| 14:16:06 | scanline | 32 or 64MB is plenty o' space. I'm used to living in 4MB or so on the Helio and Tuxscreen :P |
| 14:16:17 | scanline | Dr_Who: I'm the original author and the maintainer of PicoGUI |
| 14:16:37 | scanline | a.k.a. the guy that's always bugging #zaurus folks about Qt eating too much memory ;) |
| 14:16:53 | Dr_Who | heh... |
| 14:17:09 | Dr_Who | the thing that sorta bugs me about QT is their license... |
| 14:17:13 | benmeyer | Hey I would love to get the app sizes down |
| 14:17:36 | scanline | at this point picogui's a really cool architecture, but doesn't have hardly any software written for it |
| 14:17:43 | benmeyer | I remember getting the entire "mario" game for the Ti-86 to 4K or something and now a hello word is 200K or something... |
| 14:17:57 | scanline | 200k??? |
| 14:18:06 | Dr_Who | scanline: yes it's tough to get momentum ... |
| 14:18:12 | benmeyer | Kinkatta-Lite is 530K |
| 14:18:21 | benmeyer | 1/2MB for not all that much... |
| 14:18:25 | Dr_Who | it's too bad that the Zaurus PIM apps aren't open sourced so they could be ported |
| 14:18:50 | benmeyer | eh, they arn't all that great. It will be interesting to see what the openzaurus guys do |
| 14:18:50 | scanline | Dr_Who: still keeping at it... started the project a little over 2 years ago now, and we're almost getting ready to make our first release :) |
| 14:18:53 | Dr_Who | benmeyer: situation like that can about drive a guy to write in assembler |
| 14:19:30 | benmeyer | yah, but when the app needs to compile on windows, linux, bsd and z... |
| 14:19:42 | scanline | benmeyer: my entire picogui distro for the zaurus is 300k :P |
| 14:19:54 | ljp_work | that's way to big |
| 14:19:57 | ljp_work | :D |
| 14:20:00 | benmeyer | The only asm I have spent months on is video display code for DVD drawing. |
| 14:20:23 | scanline | ljp_work: i think most of that space is the background image, as i was too lazy to compile it with JPEG compression ;) |
| 14:20:30 | benmeyer | Converting from YUV to RGB ugg. |
| 14:20:41 | benmeyer | hehe |
| 14:21:23 | ljp_work | isnt pico going to be an option in OZ3? |
| 14:21:33 | Dr_Who | it's also too bad that gtk is such a huge monster |
| 14:21:54 | scanline | ljp_work: i think so.. I'm still new to OZ, though i'm definitely interested in it |
| 14:22:01 | benmeyer | why is that bad? means everyone will re-write there apps in hopefully smaller cleaner code |
| 14:22:25 | scanline | found out yesterday that someone's using picogui to write a boot menu for the iPaq :) |
| 14:22:30 | benmeyer | Having 2 toolkits (not counting java) seems silly |
| 14:23:49 | Dr_Who | scanline: that's cool! ... the Z needs the same |
| 14:24:12 | scanline | Dr_Who: AFAIK it's a pivot_root doodad, so it should be portable to the Z |
| 14:25:17 | benmeyer | It would be quite cool for someone to compile the kernel with the gui kernel loading thing :) |
| 14:25:21 | benmeyer | goes off to find link |
| 14:25:25 | scanline | LPP? |
| 14:25:30 | benmeyer | yah |
| 14:25:44 | scanline | It works on the Tuxscreen, so shouldn't be too hard to get working with the Z |
| 14:25:59 | benmeyer | Do the open zuaurus guys use it? |
| 14:26:19 | scanline | not that i know of |
| 14:26:37 | scanline | but it'd make a good suggestion |
| 14:28:50 | benmeyer | Not to go against lineo, but wouldn't it be funny if 6 months down the line Sharp used openzaurus? |
| 14:29:16 | Twiun | Isn't that more of a slur against TT? |
| 14:29:20 | Twiun | grins |
| 14:29:26 | ljp_work | heh |
| 14:31:10 | scanline | Twiun: and/or embedix |
| 14:31:15 | benmeyer | Can you compile USBD Network into the kernel? Is there any advantage to having it modular? |
| 14:31:45 | ljp_work | personally, I think Sharp should hire Opie devs... :D |
| 14:32:15 | benmeyer | Concidering that it took only 5 months for me to get hired... |
| 14:32:20 | benmeyer | sigh |
| 14:32:29 | ljp_work | hehehe.. |
| 14:32:30 | benmeyer | Sharp is more of an outsource company. |
| 14:32:42 | Twiun | benmeyer: I always thought compiling usbd into the kernel didn't work because usbd wan't written that way? |
| 14:33:02 | benmeyer | Once the Sharp reaches it quota or whatnot then more developers can be concidered (don't know the details) |
| 14:33:02 | ljp_work | ok they could still outsource it and spped up development, and feed us at the same time |
| 14:33:16 | Twiun | /wan't/wasn't/ |
| 14:34:36 | ljp_work | opie's been basically putting out a new feed about every week or two |
| 14:36:40 | scanline | BTW... this d-link 802.11 works, but it's so huge i think i'll use it on my tuxscreen instead. Any recommendations for more portable 802.11 cards |
| 14:36:41 | scanline | ? |
| 14:38:46 | scanline | of course any of these are probably tiny compared to this d-link monster... |
| 14:38:53 | scanline | though the d-link should suit my Tuxscreen nicely |
| 14:39:25 | scanline | it was cheap for an 802.11... like $80 |
| 14:42:17 | benmeyer | eth0: OEM i82557/i82558 10/100 Ethernet, 00:D0:B7:46:02:A0, IRQ 11. |
| 14:42:19 | benmeyer | ? |
| 14:42:23 | benmeyer | intel? |
| 14:42:39 | scanline | can't seem to find a place that sells them... |
| 14:43:45 | benmeyer | yah google: eatherexpresspro |
| 14:43:46 | benmeyer | hehe |
| 14:44:15 | scanline | was still thinking about that 802.11 card :P |
| 14:49:14 | benmeyer | Ijust relized that if I got the serial cable I could connect my zarus to my camera and remotely control it... course that only works for a few feet... hmmm |
| 14:53:08 | NetAmp | *argh* |
| 14:53:18 | benmeyer | Whats up |
| 14:53:25 | NetAmp | Sharp NL :( |
| 14:53:32 | benmeyer | NL? |
| 14:53:43 | NetAmp | They won't distribute the 5500 until July/August |
| 14:53:58 | NetAmp | Netherlands |
| 14:54:00 | benmeyer | oh |
| 14:54:08 | benmeyer | Translational maybe? |
| 14:54:35 | NetAmp | Hope not ;) |
| 14:54:44 | NetAmp | I hate Dutch translated software |
| 14:54:59 | NetAmp | I always run Windows/Linux in UK/US English :) |
| 14:55:07 | benmeyer | You could just always order a american version |
| 14:55:23 | NetAmp | yeah true... but I'd rather get it in a store so I can try it first |
| 14:55:32 | NetAmp | and there'd be no shipping... |
| 14:55:42 | benmeyer | true |
| 14:55:59 | NetAmp | oh well, at least they replied quickly |
| 14:56:32 | NetAmp | I sent in a form yesterday evening and the reply got in today 12:05 AM |
| 14:56:46 | NetAmp | so at least they have good customer service ;) |
| 14:57:38 | scanline | Are these Socket cards supported under Linux? |
| 14:59:36 | bewmIES | Which one? |
| 15:00:28 | scanline | 802.11 |
| 15:01:17 | bewmIES | Not sure. I have the low-power 10Base Socket card and it works just fine. |
| 15:03:41 | thordasin | HI guys any new news :) |
| 15:04:30 | bewmIES | Yeah, the sky is falling. Lookout. |
| 15:06:05 | ljp_work | not only that, the ground is flying up! |
| 15:07:30 | scanline | and the Zaurus now comes standard with AOL 9.294 |
| 15:07:34 | bewmIES | Didn't see that one!@# |
| 15:07:55 | benmeyer | hehe |
| 15:08:06 | ljp_work | ya.. AOL written in picoGUI |
| 15:08:10 | scanline | :P |
| 15:08:18 | benmeyer | See the aol client for palm? |
| 15:08:22 | scanline | and mozilla? |
| 15:08:28 | benmeyer | aim client I mean |
| 15:08:42 | thordasin | cearl |
| 15:08:49 | NetAmp | Haha, I bet it's way better than AOL's own client ;) :P |
| 15:09:16 | thordasin | oops sorry guys :) i'm compiling a program and its say it can't find the reference to crypt, any one know what library crypt is in? |
| 15:10:01 | benmeyer | installs new kernel brb |
| 15:10:04 | ljp_work | libcrypt? |
| 15:10:39 | bewmIES | libcrypt is part of libc |
| 15:10:46 | NetAmp | Hey guys, check this out!: http://www.palmpalm.com/ |
| 15:11:01 | NetAmp | http://www.palmpalm.com/index.php?lang=3 |
| 15:11:43 | bewmIES | heh, that's not a 5500 in the picture |
| 15:11:46 | bewmIES | (No Hancom apps) |
| 15:12:03 | thordasin | hmmm? |
| 15:12:50 | NetAmp | bewmIES: *lol* |
| 15:13:37 | NetAmp | But why is it on their front page? |
| 15:13:48 | NetAmp | Maybe they just love it, heh |
| 15:14:52 | NetAmp | Now if Palm buys the company, it's name could be PalmPalmPalm :P |
| 15:15:14 | bewmIES | PalmPalm, A Palm Company. |
| 15:15:20 | NetAmp | haha |
| 15:15:45 | ljp_work | that screenshot is using rom < 1.03 |
| 15:16:01 | NetAmp | there's certainly no misunderstanding about the Palm-part then ;) |
| 15:16:12 | NetAmp | ljp_work: ? |
| 15:16:34 | ljp_work | that Z has an old rom on it |
| 15:16:52 | ljp_work | I can tell by the taskbar.. has MRU instead of running apps |
| 15:16:57 | NetAmp | *lol* |
| 15:17:33 | NetAmp | well MRU fills up the taskbar anyway |
| 15:18:55 | ljp_work | the later roms only show running apps |
| 15:19:00 | NetAmp | :) |
| 15:20:35 | scanline | is away: powdered eggs, salt, and cranberry juice.. or something |
| 15:22:58 | bipolar | is back (gone 17:56:51) |
| 15:26:14 | thordasin | ;ear |
| 15:29:29 | bewmIES | wash ufunzi drive me to firenze |
| 15:30:24 | kergoth | hey |
| 15:31:43 | NetAmp | hiya ker |
| 15:31:43 | roge99 | hey kergoth how goes it |
| 15:32:11 | bewmIES | re |
| 15:33:18 | NetAmp | 3 months 'till NL 5500 release, and counting... |
| 15:33:36 | NetAmp | (where NL = Netherlands, not another version ;) |
| 15:34:53 | NetAmp | so that's why I haven't seen any ads yet |
| 15:35:02 | bewmIES | Send me $500 |
| 15:35:05 | bewmIES | I'll send you a Z |
| 15:35:10 | bewmIES | :) |
| 15:35:20 | bewmIES | I'll send you my 5000d and will buy a 5500 |
| 15:35:24 | NetAmp | hahaha |
| 15:35:27 | NetAmp | *lolz* |
| 15:35:39 | bewmIES | I'm serious :) |
| 15:35:45 | bewmIES | Buy my 5000d off me for something reasonable |
| 15:36:01 | ljp_work | $100 |
| 15:36:11 | Onetrack | $105 |
| 15:36:16 | ljp_work | 110 |
| 15:36:20 | bewmIES | That's not reasonable, I can' find somebody dumb up here to pay at least $300 |
| 15:36:24 | Onetrack | $120 |
| 15:36:37 | Onetrack | wait01,9901 01,991001,99 01,99minutes..you01,99 01,99might01,99 01,99get01,99 01,99it |
| 15:36:49 | NetAmp | haha |
| 15:36:50 | ljp_work | hehe |
| 15:36:57 | ljp_work | 121 |
| 15:37:10 | NetAmp | Yeah you're dumb to pay 300 |
| 15:37:25 | Onetrack | hey01,9901 01,99does01,99 01,99anyone01,99 01,99know01,99 01,99when01,99 01,99it'll01,99 01,99be01,99 01,99released01,99 01,99in01,99 01,99the01,99 01,99UK?01,99 01,99I'm01,99 01,99in01,99 01,99antigua01,99 01,99right01,99 01,99now01,99 01,99but01,99 01,99i'm01,99 01,99flying01,99 01,99into01,99 01,99london01,99 01,99on01,99 01,99may01,99 01,991st.. |
| 15:39:19 | bewmIES | That is the ugliest thing I have ever seen. |
| 15:39:19 | bewmIES | liked IRC SO much more before somebody had the bright idea to add color. |
| 15:39:19 | NetAmp | Our country's sloooww, the Germans already have their customized version |
| 15:39:19 | bewmIES | And graphical clients. |
| 15:39:19 | NetAmp | 2C3O6L7O10R |
| 15:39:19 | Onetrack | yeah....ircII/venom...I01,9901 01,99feel01,99 01,99old.01,9901,99 |
| 15:39:58 | bewmIES | I need to hack up some /ON's to just ignore color |
| 15:40:01 | NetAmp | 4WI3ND8O12ZE |
| 15:40:10 | Onetrack | egads. |
| 15:40:10 | NetAmp | windows colors, *muhahaa* |
| 15:41:22 | Onetrack | netamp..you're01,9901 01,99in01,99 01,99the01,99 01,99uk?...01,9901,9901,9901,99 |
| 15:41:48 | NetAmp | Onetrack: nope, Netherlands |
| 15:43:31 | Riskable | Howdy folks |
| 15:43:37 | NetAmp | hi rosk |
| 15:43:38 | NetAmp | risk |
| 15:43:48 | NetAmp | what's up |
| 15:44:04 | Riskable | Not much, just signing in from my Z |
| 15:44:29 | Onetrack | risk..hows01,9901 01,99the01,99 01,99keyboard01,99 01,99for01,99 01,99casual01,99 01,99typing01,99 01,99on01,99 01,99irc? |
| 15:44:39 | Riskable | OK |
| 15:44:58 | bewmIES | Riskable: The "because I can" factor? :) |
| 15:45:04 | Riskable | The only thing that stinks is that there's onle one FN key |
| 15:45:14 | Riskable | I want one on the right as well |
| 15:45:54 | Onetrack | yeah..I01,9901 01,99don't01,99 01,99think01,99 01,99sharp01,99s 01,99engineers01,99 01,99had01,99 01,99irc01,99 01,99in01,99 01,99mind..=] |
| 15:45:56 | Riskable | Actually, I love being able to chill upstairs and chat--rather than sit in my basement |
| 15:46:00 | scanline | is back (gone 00:25:25) |
| 15:47:17 | Onetrack | hey01,9901 01,99risk..can01,99 01,99the01,99 01,99screen01,99 01,99be01,99 01,99used01,99 01,99in01,99 01,99landscape01,99 01,99mode01,99 01,99for01,99 01,99shell/apps/chat?01,99 01,99landscape01,99 01,99would01,99 01,99be01,99 01,99better01,99 01,99for01,99 01,99browsing01,99 01,99wouldn't01,99 01,99it? |
| 15:47:43 | Riskable | Surprisingly, if I keep my backlight two clicks lower than 100%, I can chat away for ~2 hours before my Z complains about a low battery (with occasional web surfing) |
| 15:48:23 | Riskable | I dunno, I haven't installed the rotation app |
| 15:48:35 | Onetrack | thats pretty good...are you wired or wireless right now |
| 15:48:58 | Riskable | However, I don't think it would matter much |
| 15:49:06 | Riskable | Wireless |
| 15:49:24 | Onetrack | cf cdpd modem? |
| 15:49:40 | Riskable | No, Z-com 802.11b |
| 15:49:47 | Onetrack | (just wondering which accessories to buy =]) |
| 15:49:56 | Onetrack | ahh...great |
| 15:50:03 | Riskable | Home network (I don't work on Fridays) |
| 15:50:06 | Onetrack | so why are you in the basement then ;) |
| 15:50:22 | Riskable | I'm not at the moment :) |
| 15:50:45 | Riskable | The basement is just where my computers are :) |
| 15:51:23 | Onetrack | ah..gotcha |
| 15:52:51 | Onetrack | which irc client? did you compile it for the z or install a new package...? |
| 15:53:01 | Onetrack | of a thousand questions...... |
| 15:54:00 | thordasin | BAB/clear |
| 15:54:43 | Riskable | I'm using tkcJabber |
| 15:54:57 | Riskable | I actually bought the whole tkcBundle |
| 15:55:20 | Riskable | I plan to launch a Zaurus site sometime this week |
| 15:55:41 | Riskable | ...But only because I can't stand ZaurusZone |
| 15:55:41 | Onetrack | I still need to buy one...once i get to the mainland... |
| 15:55:58 | Onetrack | yeah...ZZ..its pretty empty... |
| 15:56:20 | Riskable | When it's up, it will be Zaurus.LovesLinux.com |
| 15:56:48 | Riskable | ZZ is onle empty because their forum software sucks so bad |
| 15:56:50 | Onetrack | coo.... |
| 15:57:37 | Riskable | There really isn't one good Z site IMHO so I'm capitalizing on the idea :) |
| 15:57:56 | Riskable | OK, gotta go... gf is here :) |
| 15:58:19 | Onetrack | coo..cheers |
| 16:13:33 | roge99 | hey Hellaenergy |
| 16:13:41 | kergoth | hey roge99, hella |
| 16:13:43 | kergoth | whats goin on |
| 16:13:52 | roge99 | not a whole lot |
| 16:14:42 | bewmIES | YUMMY JELLY MUNCHKINS |
| 16:14:46 | kergoth | heheh |
| 16:14:49 | kergoth | bewmIES: you alright? |
| 16:14:50 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:14:54 | bewmIES | heh, yup |
| 16:15:27 | JasonNJ2 | Riskable: Zauruszone stucks because I spent exactly 10 minutes designin the site. |
| 16:15:38 | JasonNJ2 | However, that is going to change shortly. |
| 16:17:29 | kergoth | JasonNJ2: fyi, I'm adding debian's nifty network handling scripts to the openzaurus base package today, as well as cleaning up ipkg and directory structure so that I can install familiar packages as well as ones for the Z, without breaking things |
| 16:18:04 | benmeyer | oh hey what about lpp for the openzaurus kernel? |
| 16:18:20 | kergoth | benmeyer: i was looking into that myself.. could keep the pingizauru up longer |
| 16:18:23 | kergoth | benmeyer: :-) |
| 16:18:59 | benmeyer | I thought it would just be anther nice feature of openzuaurs |
| 16:19:21 | kergoth | bewmIES: the new style .mks for the openzaurus buildsystem makes converting debian packages easy... i just drop the full url to the .orig.tar.gz and .diff.gz into Sources.. away we go... hehe |
| 16:19:40 | kergoth | benmeyer: indeed.. I'll see if I can find the appropriate patch for this kernel ver, and play with it a bit today |
| 16:19:41 | benmeyer | mks? |
| 16:19:53 | kergoth | s/.mks/.mk's/ |
| 16:19:58 | kergoth | .mk = sub makefile |
| 16:20:10 | kergoth | there exists a .mk for each item the buildsystem knows how to crosscompile from source |
| 16:20:25 | benmeyer | fun fun |
| 16:20:28 | kergoth | ohhh yeah |
| 16:20:33 | kergoth | heheh |
| 16:21:00 | kergoth | This buildsystem is such a hack... I need to finish up OZ 3 so i can dump it |
| 16:21:06 | kergoth | stops slackin |
| 16:21:08 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:21:37 | benmeyer | oz3? |
| 16:21:42 | bewmIES | That's a good point |
| 16:21:49 | bewmIES | hugz Debian |
| 16:22:00 | kergoth | hehe |
| 16:22:10 | kergoth | the system after this will build OZ from a debian source package feed |
| 16:22:15 | kergoth | itll be fairly nifty |
| 16:22:29 | bewmIES | Didn't you say you wanted to make it part of Familiar eventualy? |
| 16:22:38 | Dr_Who | kergoth: you h4x0r you 8-) |
| 16:22:41 | kergoth | bewmIES: the new buildsystem, yes. oz specifically, no |
| 16:22:43 | bewmIES | I don't have an iPaq and don't really know much about Familiar but from what I've seen of it (looking at handhelds.org) it looks lnice. |
| 16:22:45 | kergoth | Dr_Who: hah |
| 16:22:48 | bewmIES | ahh |
| 16:22:54 | Hellaenergy | Sorry guys How are ya? |
| 16:23:19 | Hellaenergy | I am seriously contemplating getting a nice wirless network at the pad :\ |
| 16:23:22 | bewmIES | So if I wanted to play with Opie, I'd have to build an OZ ROM then install all of the opie packages from the opie.handhelds.org feed? |
| 16:23:22 | Dr_Who | kergoth: question fer ya... I'm going to do something quite evil and unnatural with OZ... when do you think you're going to dump in OZ3? |
| 16:23:45 | kergoth | bewmIES: for the moment... |
| 16:23:58 | Dr_Who | kergoth: I've got a PowrePC 405 box with flash and all that and I'm thinking I'd like to "adapt" oz so it'd be the distro for this little box |
| 16:24:25 | Dr_Who | awaits of the crys of "you sick little monkey" |
| 16:24:34 | kergoth | Dr_Who: hehe. thats not THAT sick ;-) |
| 16:24:40 | bewmIES | You sick little monkey. |
| 16:24:40 | bewmIES | =D |
| 16:24:53 | Dr_Who | awwww man ... I have a reputation to live up to 8-) |
| 16:26:47 | kergoth | Dr_Who: i mean.. familiar, oz, emdebian.. all debian inspired distributions made minimal.. i could see using any of them for any embedded linux system, not only arm pdas |
| 16:27:06 | Dr_Who | kergoth: yup I hear ya! |
| 16:27:11 | kergoth | Dr_Who: but the current build systems for all of them dont really make moving it to different platforms and space requirements in a sane and simple manner |
| 16:27:27 | kergoth | Dr_Who: yet ;-) |
| 16:27:29 | kergoth | brb |
| 16:28:20 | Dr_Who | kergoth: exactly and besides this little device is PDA like in that it had a touch screen... but it's not because ... well no batteries... and it's about the size of a websters dictionary (the non abridged version) |
| 16:28:29 | Dr_Who | err has a touchscreen I mean.... |
| 16:29:38 | kergoth | ah, caffeine. gotta love it. maybe i can get some work done now |
| 16:29:46 | kergoth | Dr_Who: ah.. sounds pretty nifty actually |
| 16:30:25 | bewmIES | heh |
| 16:30:34 | bewmIES | rpm -q work --requires |
| 16:30:37 | bewmIES | caffine-1.0-1 |
| 16:30:45 | kergoth | Dr_Who: I could easily see.. long term.. emdebian, familiar, OZ, and the tuxscreen buildroot.. all being different configurations of the same sources.. with feeds available for different arhitectures, and the hardware specific items (e.g. fstab) being split off into seperate packages |
| 16:30:54 | kergoth | bewmIES: heheh |
| 16:31:32 | scanline | kergoth: that would rock |
| 16:31:55 | scanline | and then do the same for other CPUs :) |
| 16:31:59 | kergoth | scanline: thats my next project, after oz 3.0 is released |
| 16:32:08 | scanline | cool |
| 16:32:29 | kergoth | and hopefully... we can reduce some of the duplicated efforts in the various communities |
| 16:32:31 | kergoth | :-) |
| 16:32:47 | benmeyer | That we can wish :) |
| 16:33:03 | warmi | hi |
| 16:33:06 | kergoth | benmeyer: indeed |
| 16:33:09 | kergoth | hey warmi |
| 16:33:38 | Dr_Who | returns |
| 16:33:45 | MEGA|Home | is away: Work |
| 16:34:02 | warmi | benmayer: you work for sharp right ? |
| 16:34:21 | Dr_Who | kergoth: sounds like a good plan |
| 16:34:31 | Onetrack | anyone have either the socket cf modem or cf wired ethernet? |
| 16:35:18 | benmeyer | Yup that I do |
| 16:35:31 | benmeyer | Just started |
| 16:36:28 | Onetrack | I'm heading out travelling...and want to make sure they both work in NZ..i cant see why they wouldn't....as i found a place in london that sells them...same thing |
| 16:37:05 | benmeyer | You got the socket to work for you? |
| 16:37:34 | Onetrack | thats what i'm asking |
| 16:37:44 | Onetrack | if anyone has used either device... |
| 16:37:55 | benmeyer | I heard that there were issues with it right now, but I havn't confirmed that |
| 16:37:58 | Onetrack | 104 gbp for a 56k modem is insanity |
| 16:39:51 | bewmIES | benmeyer: Are you at the Sharp offices in Mahwah? |
| 16:40:20 | Onetrack | ben: what kind of issues? |
| 16:40:26 | scanline | benmeyer: do they pay you to yap on IRC about the Z all day? |
| 16:40:36 | scanline | benmeyer: sounds like a nice job if so :) |
| 16:41:30 | Onetrack | yeah..really....i'd do that for a paycheque |
| 16:41:47 | warmi | nah ... I woudn't want to |
| 16:41:53 | benmeyer | Yah I am in Mahwah |
| 16:41:55 | warmi | coding is much more interesting .. |
| 16:42:01 | benmeyer | Don't know someone said it didn't work |
| 16:42:03 | scanline | I'd sneak in the programming when the IRC got dull ;) |
| 16:42:14 | warmi | hah |
| 16:42:45 | benmeyer | scanline: yah I guess you could say that I am paid to be on irc, and monitor a dozon mailinglists and webforums for zaurus stuff. I was cool for about an hour |
| 16:42:51 | warmi | there are quite a few nice add-on packages on opie.handhelds.org |
| 16:42:59 | benmeyer | now I am writing docs to help developers who ask the same thing over and over :) |
| 16:43:00 | scanline | benmeyer: hehe |
| 16:43:13 | bewmIES | heh, sounds like fun |
| 16:43:22 | bewmIES | I work right down 17 in Upper Saddle River |
| 16:43:22 | warmi | they should be made available for people to download on myzaurus.com |
| 16:43:27 | scanline | benmeyer: hey, if you get bored working on the Z i could use someone like that for PicoGUI :) |
| 16:43:38 | benmeyer | haha |
| 16:43:42 | bewmIES | Jason needs an FAQ since he gets hammered with questions whenever his $idle_time--; |
| 16:44:22 | warmi | benmeyer: what's your and Jasons official job title ? |
| 16:44:30 | warmi | Zaurus evangelist or something like that ? |
| 16:44:41 | finkployd | "complaint buffer" :) |
| 16:44:48 | scanline | hehe |
| 16:44:49 | warmi | hah |
| 16:44:50 | bewmIES | Impatient Developer Liazons |
| 16:45:30 | scanline | Newbie wrangler? |
| 16:45:51 | benmeyer | Developer Support |
| 16:45:52 | benmeyer | I think |
| 16:45:53 | benmeyer | haha |
| 16:46:10 | benmeyer | Depends where you look/ask but that about sums it up |
| 16:46:53 | scanline | how long until zaurus-general is split into zaurus-newbie, zaurus-user, zaurus-devel, and zaurus-hardcore-devel, and zaurus-no-really-actual-devel :) |
| 16:47:11 | JasonNJ2 | my official job title is Developer Liason and Software Manager |
| 16:47:20 | JasonNJ2 | not sure what ben's is yet |
| 16:47:24 | JasonNJ2 | we will think of something |
| 16:47:35 | scanline | coffee drain! |
| 16:47:41 | scanline | nice generic job title |
| 16:47:54 | Hellaenergy | JasonNJ2: when is the Java Developer contest? |
| 16:47:55 | JasonNJ2 | I think I will call him Junior |
| 16:47:58 | JasonNJ2 | :) |
| 16:48:01 | scanline | is starting to get weird... been awake too long i guess |
| 16:48:04 | benmeyer | hey! |
| 16:48:18 | benmeyer | :-D |
| 16:48:19 | JasonNJ2 | Hella: we are still working out the details |
| 16:48:29 | Hellaenergy | Who is throwing it? |
| 16:48:40 | JasonNJ2 | hella: we dont know yet |
| 16:48:45 | Hellaenergy | :) |
| 16:48:54 | JasonNJ2 | we have a few candidates |
| 16:49:02 | Hellaenergy | Is this Hollywood? |
| 16:49:06 | JasonNJ2 | may be multiple, may be one |
| 16:49:28 | Hellaenergy | Any anonoucement any time soon ya think? |
| 16:50:15 | JasonNJ2 | hmm probably not for at least a week or so |
| 16:50:22 | JasonNJ2 | lots of legal issues |
| 16:50:23 | Hellaenergy | I am glad you are taking the administrative time for this one ;) |
| 16:50:34 | JasonNJ2 | legal issues always throw a big wrench into the mix |
| 16:50:47 | Hellaenergy | Fuck Legalities :) |
| 16:52:37 | Hellaenergy | Keep up the good work JasonNJ2 :) |
| 16:53:04 | Hellaenergy | I know what its like to work with the Japanese |
| 16:53:22 | ljp_work | legalities? |
| 16:53:46 | Hellaenergy | ljp_work: Java Contest orginization |
| 16:53:53 | ljp_work | ahhh |
| 16:54:03 | ljp_work | who can drink the most java... |
| 16:54:17 | Hellaenergy | sips his brew |
| 16:55:06 | ljp_work | can a person that just _drinks_ java while writing qpe code enter the java contest? |
| 16:55:16 | ljp_work | :) |
| 16:55:46 | scanline | hmm.. what's the point of a zaurus-centric java contest? |
| 16:56:02 | bewmIES | Because java is a "core" component of the Zaurus? |
| 16:56:09 | ljp_work | get more java products on it |
| 16:56:15 | scanline | that's what marketing would like... |
| 16:56:23 | scanline | java's just a programming language |
| 16:56:32 | ljp_work | maybe there shoule be a picoGUI Zaurus contest also |
| 16:56:35 | Twiun | No, no, it's a religion ;-) |
| 16:56:44 | scanline | Twiun: oh, ok :P |
| 16:56:59 | scanline | ljp_work: nah, it still needs work before that's practical |
| 16:57:20 | scanline | but why not have an applications contest, without regard to what language it's in as long as it runs on the X |
| 16:57:24 | scanline | err, the Z |
| 16:57:25 | ljp_work | hehehe I'm kidding... you'd win anyway |
| 16:57:49 | scanline | like.. i think Python would be a good language to write Z apps in |
| 16:58:00 | scanline | it certainly has the CPU power and memory for it |
| 16:58:23 | Hellaenergy | If we all used java maybe there would not be such memory leaks all the time ;) |
| 16:58:41 | scanline | there'd be no more memory to leak :P |
| 16:58:53 | Hellaenergy | Then again we would need 128MB RAM ;) |
| 16:59:00 | Hellaenergy | lol |
| 16:59:23 | Hellaenergy | tweak that jvm fella and fellets |
| 16:59:45 | scanline | java just seems like bad fit for handhelds |
| 16:59:57 | scanline | I've used PocketLinux... horribly slow |
| 17:00:24 | Hellaenergy | Its great for smart cards :) |
| 17:00:59 | Hellaenergy | That is a whole other implementation though |
| 17:01:01 | scanline | the core of the Java language isn't inefficient. Waba is really fast |
| 17:01:13 | scanline | but it's the Java GUI stuff that tends to be slow, in my experience at least |
| 17:01:35 | JasonNJ2 | scanline: pocketlinux's application environment is being ported to the Z |
| 17:01:38 | JasonNJ2 | as is their JVM |
| 17:01:41 | Hellaenergy | If they designed Personal Java a little more like Java Card maybe we would more happy |
| 17:02:05 | scanline | JasonNJ2: haha... I guess it shouldn't surprise me though |
| 17:02:21 | JasonNJ2 | its now called XOE |
| 17:02:23 | Hellaenergy | wonders what happend to kaffe |
| 17:02:35 | JasonNJ2 | hella: its still there |
| 17:02:40 | scanline | oh yeah.. make the name sound as buzzword-worthy as possible, eh? |
| 17:02:47 | JasonNJ2 | they have a commercial version too |
| 17:02:53 | JasonNJ2 | Kaffe Pro |
| 17:03:01 | JasonNJ2 | they are porting both Kaffe and Kaffe Pro |
| 17:03:22 | JasonNJ2 | they are also porting their XGL |
| 17:03:26 | JasonNJ2 | their graphics libraries |
| 17:03:54 | JasonNJ2 | anyone know of a good place to get ASF files? |
| 17:04:08 | scanline | $ touch file.ASF |
| 17:04:15 | scanline | ;) |
| 17:04:31 | tweaker | haha |
| 17:04:34 | JasonNJ2 | no I mean ASF files as in windows media mpeg4 stuff |
| 17:04:39 | JasonNJ2 | I have to do a demo tonight for a user group |
| 17:04:43 | scanline | yeah, i know, i was just being an ass... |
| 17:04:48 | scanline | i might have some |
| 17:04:54 | Hellaenergy | JasonNJ2: when is that all going to hit us? |
| 17:05:22 | scanline | JasonNJ2: I got a bunch of Stargate SG-1 in ASF, really low quality |
| 17:05:36 | scanline | and a little simpsons |
| 17:05:46 | scanline | tries to avoid ASF though |
| 17:06:00 | whardier | hi |
| 17:06:18 | scanline | morning whardier |
| 17:06:48 | kergoth | sup whardier |
| 17:09:20 | whardier | man |
| 17:09:24 | whardier | I will tell you whats up |
| 17:09:30 | whardier | I am bleeding inside |
| 17:09:37 | whardier | THATS RIGHT! |
| 17:09:48 | whardier | I HURT MYSELF INSIDE MYSELF TO SEE IF I COULD FIND MYSELF! |
| 17:10:28 | benmeyer | hmmm |
| 17:10:43 | benmeyer | needs to make "mirror" app for whardier |
| 17:11:23 | MEGASTeP | is back (gone 12:44:07) |
| 17:11:42 | JasonNJ2 | yo |
| 17:12:03 | scanline | wonders if whardier is stranger online or in person... |
| 17:12:06 | warmi | JasonNJ2: any more info about Oracle apps being ported to Z or is it still secret ? |
| 17:12:17 | JasonNJ2 | I dont have full details yet |
| 17:12:40 | warmi | I know there is something called PocketORacle available for PPC devices |
| 17:12:42 | tweaker | am I an idiot or is there no pipe key (vertical bar) on the Z keyboard? |
| 17:13:10 | benmeyer | the space with the arrow |
| 17:13:14 | benmeyer | crazy yes |
| 17:14:11 | ljp_work | the '|' is shift-space |
| 17:14:47 | tweaker | thanks |
| 17:15:00 | whardier | |
| 17:15:01 | whardier | white space |
| 17:15:03 | kergoth | wtf. undefined reference to `QPaintDevice::setX11Data(QPaintDeviceX11Data const *)' when linking against my x86 libqte |
| 17:15:06 | kergoth | X11? |
| 17:15:26 | whardier | hmm |
| 17:15:30 | benmeyer | my my |
| 17:15:34 | whardier | what proggie? |
| 17:15:34 | catalin | kergoth: you forgot to -DQWS when compiling |
| 17:15:37 | tweaker | Fn-` and Fn-BS both produce ~ |
| 17:15:46 | benmeyer | kergoth looks like a moc error |
| 17:15:53 | tweaker | is the key pad labled wrong? |
| 17:16:03 | kergoth | benmeyer: theres no slots in this class yet |
| 17:16:04 | whardier | mocs kergoth |
| 17:16:10 | kergoth | catalin: ah :-) |
| 17:16:22 | kergoth | catalin: I knew i forgot something in my qmake .pro for qtopia |
| 17:16:26 | kergoth | catalin: heh ;-) |
| 17:16:43 | benmeyer | I think I will make a ZaurusPowerToys package |
| 17:16:45 | benmeyer | :) |
| 17:17:00 | catalin | benmeyer: details ? |
| 17:17:00 | warmi | you should :-) |
| 17:17:09 | scanline | benmeyer: include ssh in the default ROM |
| 17:17:14 | benmeyer | too big |
| 17:17:18 | scanline | oh |
| 17:17:30 | benmeyer | at least that is my understanding of why it isnt' there by default |
| 17:17:35 | warmi | beside it will useless for most people |
| 17:17:38 | scanline | you have 16MB though, it's plenty ;) |
| 17:17:42 | benmeyer | don't know how big it is though |
| 17:17:53 | benmeyer | yah but you don't want to fill up that 16mb from the getgo |
| 17:18:03 | warmi | most people Sharp wants to sell their Z to don't even know what ssh is |
| 17:18:06 | scanline | nods |
| 17:18:16 | scanline | i'll be content with having it as a .ipk or in OpenZaurus |
| 17:18:23 | benmeyer | nethack ipk |
| 17:18:25 | benmeyer | yummy |
| 17:19:54 | bewmIES | Plus including SSH on the stock ROM may have some legal implications. |
| 17:20:02 | kergoth | bewmIES: how so? |
| 17:20:09 | benmeyer | exporting? |
| 17:20:11 | bewmIES | Crypto export restrictions, the BXA |
| 17:20:11 | kergoth | bewmIES: didnt the rsa patent expire? |
| 17:20:12 | bewmIES | yeah |
| 17:20:14 | kergoth | ah |
| 17:20:18 | bewmIES | Nothing major. |
| 17:20:28 | benmeyer | yah kernel build done, bbl |
| 17:20:31 | bewmIES | Sharp woudl just have to announce their intent to the BXA, but it still has *some* implication. |
| 17:20:53 | bewmIES | And not sell any Zaurus' to al Queda :) |
| 17:21:16 | bewmIES | CPU Temp: +100.4°F (limit = +140°F, hysteresis = +121°F) |
| 17:21:24 | bewmIES | Holy shit, this box has never been below 100 |
| 17:27:41 | benmeyer | arg |
| 17:27:46 | benmeyer | forgot to lilo |
| 17:27:47 | benmeyer | haha |
| 17:27:47 | benmeyer | bb |
| 17:27:49 | bewmIES | v* |
| 17:30:12 | warmi | hmm .. traffic on [ZAURUS-GENERAL] increased significantly over last 2 or 3 weeks |
| 17:32:40 | bewmIES | Yes |
| 17:32:44 | bewmIES | Something really needs to be done about that. |
| 17:32:56 | bewmIES | Get all the lame chatter onto a different list (evangelism, etc.) |
| 17:33:11 | tux_mike | shoot people? |
| 17:33:21 | JasonNJ2 | we already have zaurus-qtopia and zaurus-java |
| 17:33:59 | bewmIES | Yes, but my main complaint is all the noise that goes on. |
| 17:34:04 | tux_mike | i'd kill for you marge, please let me kill for you :) |
| 17:34:05 | bewmIES | Stuff that is zaurus related but is not a question, etc. |
| 17:34:26 | JasonNJ2 | zaurus-enduser ? |
| 17:34:35 | bewmIES | zaurus-chatter |
| 17:34:36 | bewmIES | :) |
| 17:34:55 | scanline | zaurus-metoo |
| 17:35:02 | JasonNJ2 | I guess I could make a chatter list |
| 17:35:31 | killefiz_ | hmm ... let the chatting be on -general and create -development |
| 17:35:43 | bewmIES | Basically here is my rational. |
| 17:35:45 | JasonNJ2 | qtopia and java ARE development lists |
| 17:35:57 | JasonNJ2 | sourceforge lists were created for developers! |
| 17:36:02 | scanline | what about development questions common to both? |
| 17:36:03 | bewmIES | I love helping people whenever I knwo the answer to something, but there is no way I'm going to sort through the hundred-or-so-mails a day that zaurus-general gets to look for questions. |
| 17:36:05 | scanline | or kernel development? |
| 17:36:24 | bewmIES | I don't really care if the Z was in playboy, or don't care about it if it was talked about on slashdot. I just want to talk about the ZAURUS with people. |
| 17:36:33 | warmi | hah .. I don't mind that new traffic ... :-) I was just pointing out that looks like more and more people are in some way or another interested in Zaurus |
| 17:36:47 | bewmIES | Some of us are on about 100 lists and don't have time to weed through way off-topic messages. |
| 17:36:48 | bewmIES | </SOAPBOX> |
| 17:36:49 | warmi | 90% of the questions posted on GENERAL belong there |
| 17:36:57 | bewmIES | Okay, then create a new questions list |
| 17:37:14 | bewmIES | Just get all the chatter from people who have nothing better to do then evanglate off the list I'm one. :) |
| 17:37:22 | tux_mike | bewmIES: evolution. it takes all the noise and organizes it into nice little mailboxes :) |
| 17:37:40 | scanline | mutt and procmail :P |
| 17:37:43 | bewmIES | I have something better: .procmailrc |
| 17:37:44 | bewmIES | =D |
| 17:37:56 | bewmIES | I HATE using a graphical email client. |
| 17:38:25 | scanline | i used to use balsa, but it would crash too much |
| 17:38:32 | scanline | then i fell in love with mutt |
| 17:38:32 | warmi | 100 lists ? a renaissance man ? :-) |
| 17:38:34 | JasonNJ2 | ok now there is zaurus-chatter |
| 17:38:36 | bewmIES | Recipients by message count |
| 17:38:36 | bewmIES | --------------------------- |
| 17:38:36 | bewmIES | 587 ryan@guardiandigital.com |
| 17:38:38 | tux_mike | ok, well then, you have to look through all the dribble then. |
| 17:38:39 | bewmIES | THat was yesterday alone |
| 17:38:47 | bewmIES | 141 zaurus-general-admin@lists.sourceforge.net |
| 17:38:51 | bewmIES | 1/5 of my overall mail is from that last |
| 17:38:55 | bewmIES | That's midly pathetic. |
| 17:39:17 | bewmIES | warmi: No, somebody who has to montior several lists as part of his job :) |
| 17:39:30 | bewmIES | $ grep ^:0: .procmailrc | wc -l |
| 17:39:30 | bewmIES | 56 |
| 17:39:34 | bewmIES | 100 is an exageration |
| 17:39:50 | warmi | I was just kidding :-) |
| 17:39:54 | bewmIES | :) |
| 17:40:32 | bewmIES | I probably sound like I"m bitching, but I don't want it to come off that way. I'm trying to be constructive as I can from my point of view (somebody who wants to read the list at his leisure and not have to sort through stuff he deems way off-topic). |
| 17:41:27 | warmi | I know , but GENERAL implies well, general ... you will get all kinds of posts including some you might consider way off-topic |
| 17:42:13 | bewmIES | Yes, like I said, my point of view. I'm entitled to it. I'm not going to get into an argument about it. :) |
| 17:42:17 | kergoth | speaking of this.. we need to seperate the zaurus users and zaruus dev irc channels |
| 17:42:26 | tux_mike | kerny|home: good idea |
| 17:42:29 | tux_mike | kergo: |
| 17:42:31 | tux_mike | th |
| 17:42:31 | kergoth | tux_mike: you missed |
| 17:42:32 | bewmIES | That would be a good idea. |
| 17:42:33 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:42:34 | tux_mike | -_- |
| 17:42:46 | tux_mike | well... time to go for me |
| 17:45:41 | warmi | where you going tux: |
| 17:45:43 | warmi | ? |
| 17:45:55 | warmi | hah |
| 17:49:21 | benmeyer | weeeehh, nothing like finally getting online through usb on the z |
| 17:49:25 | benmeyer | hehe it rymes |
| 17:49:51 | warmi | hell, I wished I could that but I hate to recompile my kernel |
| 17:49:57 | warmi | I am just gonna use serial |
| 17:50:35 | scanline | is away: class... and probably sleep afterwards |
| 17:51:19 | JasonNJ2 | alright I updated zaurus.sf.net |
| 17:51:27 | JasonNJ2 | chatter list should be up soon |
| 17:53:28 | kergoth | JasonNJ2: have you registered #zaurus-users or something similar with chanserv yet? |
| 17:54:22 | JasonNJ2 | no |
| 17:54:55 | JasonNJ2 | go for it |
| 17:55:09 | kergoth | JasonNJ2: may be a good idea.. developer discussions getting interrupted by end user questions gets tiring |
| 17:55:39 | warmi | actually , you should create zaurus-dev |
| 17:55:51 | warmi | most users will go for #zaurus |
| 17:56:10 | warmi | easier for them :-) |
| 17:56:10 | kergoth | thats true, I went the reverse just following kde's convention |
| 17:56:13 | kergoth | but thats a good point |
| 17:56:20 | kergoth | we'd have to keep sending them to the other chan |
| 17:56:21 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:57:28 | warmi | not, that I expect that many users on irc.openprojects.net servers .. |
| 17:58:41 | kergoth | good point |
| 17:58:43 | warmi | if this things takes off .. I am sure there will be channels like #zaurus on underent and other mainstream irc networks |
| 17:58:44 | kergoth | but we do have them |
| 17:59:11 | warmi | but it neve hurts to have #zaurus-dev here |
| 17:59:15 | kergoth | poll: #zaurus and #zaurus-users, or #zaurus and #zaurus-dev ? |
| 17:59:18 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:59:19 | warmi | purely for people who code for Z |
| 17:59:29 | warmi | you know my vote .. |
| 17:59:29 | killefiz_ | #zaurus and #zaurus-dev |
| 17:59:31 | warmi | -) |
| 18:01:08 | Kopsis | definitely #zaurus-dev |
| 18:03:09 | JasonNJ2 | I really need a good high quality asf file |
| 18:05:04 | tweaker | Any word on an Ogg Vorbis player for the Z? |
| 18:05:43 | JasonNJ2 | yes |
| 18:05:49 | JasonNJ2 | coming from TheKompany |
| 18:06:12 | catalin | tweaker: yes |
| 18:06:16 | warmi | JasonNJ2: how large asf movies you are talking about ? |
| 18:07:56 | tweaker | is thekompany charging for it or not? (I can't resolve their site right now) |
| 18:08:04 | kergoth | JasonNJ2: what do you think.. #zaurus for users, #zaurus-dev for developers, or #zaurus-users and #zaurus respectively |
| 18:08:18 | kergoth | tweaker: they produce commercial linux apps. they charge for them |
| 18:08:25 | catalin | tweaker: the player won't be free. |
| 18:08:50 | catalin | tweaker: you can check the development log here: http://www.climov.com/zaurus/mediacenter/ |
| 18:11:18 | warmi | catalin: |
| 18:11:34 | kaygee | catalin: I'm interested in hearing how qpose is progressing, your website only has screenshots, no other information |
| 18:11:37 | warmi | you claiming that libMAD has reather poor quality playback ? |
| 18:11:58 | kaygee | for me this is the app I need to justify purchasing a Z, can you give more info? |
| 18:13:08 | catalin | kaygee: at least 2 months till qpose get's released to the public |
| 18:13:12 | kaygee | I apologize if this has been discussed previously |
| 18:13:19 | kaygee | oh, thank you for the info |
| 18:13:22 | catalin | warmi: am I claiming that ? |
| 18:13:42 | kaygee | will that be alpha, beta, how is the compatibility so far? |
| 18:13:48 | warmi | well, I saw on your page something like "playback quality quite low ("metallic" sound) " |
| 18:13:55 | warmi | were you talking about libMAD there ? |
| 18:14:11 | catalin | kaygee: it will be beta or rc-quality |
| 18:14:33 | kaygee | again, thanks for the info, I'll be anxious to hear more about your progress |
| 18:14:56 | catalin | warmi: yes, I'm talking about libMAD here |
| 18:15:33 | catalin | warmi: you took the quote out of it's context |
| 18:15:43 | warmi | I know ... it is conversion issue |
| 18:16:03 | catalin | libMAD outpus 24 bits/channel, while I need 16 |
| 18:16:12 | catalin | outputs, even |
| 18:16:13 | warmi | why do they output that ? |
| 18:16:22 | warmi | isn't CD quality 16 bits? |
| 18:16:35 | catalin | so that you can have better control over the quality :) |
| 18:16:57 | warmi | well, most sound cards can only play 16 bit right ? |
| 18:17:05 | warmi | or em I missing something here ? |
| 18:17:20 | catalin | yup, thus a 24->16 bit conversion is needed |
| 18:17:55 | warmi | right now you are just dropping bits there and shifing the rest to fit into 16 ? |
| 18:18:01 | Complx | weeooooo |
| 18:18:24 | catalin | the 24bit is just perfect for some post-decoder processing (amplify, filter, sound effects, etc) |
| 18:18:47 | catalin | warmi: yes, that's what I'm doing and I get crappy quality |
| 18:19:33 | Complx | hey... what happened to "thekompany.com" ? |
| 18:19:34 | warmi | hmm .. well I guess then there is more to it ...I think you will have to scale it or something like that :-) |
| 18:20:16 | catalin | you can't just drop bits. think image scaling: you need antialiasing in order to improve the quality |
| 18:20:38 | warmi | I know ... |
| 18:20:44 | catalin | complx: the colo is DoS'ed, IMO |
| 18:21:34 | Complx | really? wtf for? |
| 18:22:09 | Complx | what did tkc do to anyone to deserve that? |
| 18:22:18 | catalin | do skr1p7 k1dd13s need a reason ? :) |
| 18:22:29 | Complx | typically.. |
| 18:22:47 | catalin | Complx: colo != tkc |
| 18:22:57 | Complx | ahh |
| 18:23:05 | Complx | the colocation? |
| 18:23:35 | catalin | yup |
| 18:24:41 | Complx | rthats what i thought, but I didnt consider what that implied. guess that makes sense. - still frustrating. I was thinking about making a purchse |
| 18:26:40 | catalin | Complx: argh |
| 18:27:17 | Complx | hey catalin: you seen my z's slick paintjob? |
| 18:27:30 | catalin | nope. URL ? |
| 18:27:54 | Complx | http://me.256k.net/casemod/ZAURUS-MODS |
| 18:27:55 | Complx | http://me.256k.net/casemod/ZAURUS-MODS/Blue-Zaurus4.jpg |
| 18:28:04 | NeoTron | does not understand how moms do it... |
| 18:28:32 | Complx | how moms do what? be moms? |
| 18:28:48 | Complx | well. theres a little story about mr penis, and ms. vagina. |
| 18:29:04 | NeoTron | take care of the kids. I have 11 month old twins and I'm taking care of them today |
| 18:29:06 | Complx | one day mr penis goes to msm vaginas house for a visit. |
| 18:29:12 | Complx | oh hehe |
| 18:29:14 | NeoTron | I'm like exhausted. :P |
| 18:29:19 | NeoTron | Complx: ehh.:P |
| 18:29:19 | Complx | you eman take care odf them. hehe |
| 18:29:24 | NeoTron | and it's only 10:30! |
| 18:29:33 | Complx | yeah, thats a little story about a man named "mr prozac" |
| 18:29:38 | NeoTron | heh |
| 18:29:51 | Complx | and mr valium |
| 18:30:02 | Complx | or mr vodka |
| 18:30:04 | Complx | hehe |
| 18:30:08 | NeoTron | they are hopefully down for a nap and I should have a 2-3 hrs of rest |
| 18:30:32 | Complx | best wishes to you man. its good that your helping her. |
| 18:30:36 | warmi | catalin: their source code for winamp plugin contains linear_dither() function which does precisely what you need to do |
| 18:31:05 | NeoTron | It's definitely a harder job than I could handle to do fulltime |
| 18:31:19 | warmi | twins ??? |
| 18:31:22 | NeoTron | yes |
| 18:31:44 | catalin | warmi: I know (actually I guessed), it's just that I didn't have the time to do it. Thanks for the info. |
| 18:32:22 | warmi | ha .. I am beyond that .. my son is 10 years old |
| 18:32:38 | warmi | and I am still only 32 years old .. virtues of getting married early :-) |
| 18:33:09 | NeoTron | heh |
| 18:33:30 | NeoTron | 11 month old as I said. fun age, hard age but we've seen nothing yet! |
| 18:33:47 | NeoTron | the little buggers always find the things they _shouldn't_ play with |
| 18:33:53 | warmi | actually they not that mobile yet .. |
| 18:33:59 | NeoTron | like this one cord to a lamp they always want to eat on |
| 18:34:02 | NeoTron | I know |
| 18:34:08 | warmi | :-) |
| 18:34:08 | NeoTron | they crawl but that's it |
| 18:34:11 | n1L | sorry, for asking such a stupid question. Does anyone know where i can get a precompiled Pocket/Handheld-Quake for my zaurus? |
| 18:34:57 | Complx | thats not a stupid question |
| 18:35:00 | Complx | I asked that same thing |
| 18:35:04 | Complx | no one answered me tho |
| 18:35:47 | n1L | I got my zaurus yesterday and I didn't want to compile it myself now. |
| 18:36:08 | Complx | ooh, 5500? or 5000? |
| 18:36:10 | NeoTron | I saw some links posted to the zaurus general list |
| 18:36:14 | NeoTron | but I don't remember |
| 18:36:25 | NeoTron | Complx: the 5000 is all gone, so.. |
| 18:36:30 | n1L | 5500G(erman) |
| 18:36:30 | Complx | you dont remember what modem z you got? |
| 18:36:36 | Complx | ahh |
| 18:36:41 | Complx | 5500g. k |
| 18:36:56 | Complx | Woooo... my students are freaks |
| 18:37:16 | Complx | n1L: do you Have the Soiurce for quake? because I could compile it |
| 18:38:20 | Complx | inf inf |
| 18:38:23 | n1L | it is on CVS of http://sourceforge.net/projects/handheldquake/ |
| 18:42:35 | n1L | Thanks 12•NeoTron12• I found the messages in the zaurus-general list archive. There are packages at http://qpe.sourceforge.net/packages/ipaq/unstable/ |
| 18:42:45 | n1L | I'll try them now |
| 18:43:03 | warmi | I wonder if stuff for ipaq will work on Z |
| 18:43:15 | Complx | uh.. |
| 18:43:24 | Complx | that url doesnt give me the source |
| 18:43:24 | benmeyer | yah it will |
| 18:43:28 | benmeyer | same cpu |
| 18:44:07 | warmi | I know but there might be some difference with QDirecPainter memory layout , of course assuming Quake does use it |
| 18:44:23 | warmi | anyway, it is worth a try |
| 18:45:42 | benmeyer | haha Lineo is on slashdot |
| 18:45:51 | NeoTron | I believ eit's the same mem layout |
| 18:45:57 | benmeyer | Lineo has run plum out of money. |
| 18:46:05 | kergoth | are they? damn |
| 18:46:14 | kergoth | aha the secretary just put the PA system on hold again |
| 18:46:18 | JasonNJ2 | really having a hard time finding ASF files |
| 18:46:19 | kergoth | listens to the loud hold music |
| 18:46:56 | warmi | does lineo provide Z kernel ? |
| 18:47:09 | kergoth | yes |
| 18:47:13 | benmeyer | yup |
| 18:47:17 | benmeyer | my my |
| 18:47:56 | benmeyer | Otherwise Lineo was reportedly supposed to reduce its headcount from 70 employees to 20 and "liquidate all unused assets |
| 18:47:56 | Complx | I lost my stulus last night.. grrr.. im so pissed. |
| 18:48:03 | NeoTron | actually lineo provides the entire package I think. they act like the center between Sharp and TT, the java ppl, opera etc, do they not? |
| 18:48:16 | Complx | luckily I still have some spare palm stylii, wich are abouyt the same size. tho, not as nice |
| 18:48:29 | benmeyer | that they do |
| 18:48:35 | warmi | that's not good |
| 18:48:41 | warmi | not good at all |
| 18:48:54 | kergoth | ack, that article paints an ugly picture |
| 18:48:56 | kergoth | that sucks |
| 18:49:52 | JasonNJ2 | kergoth: did you send that patch to BZflag? |
| 18:50:07 | benmeyer | does BZflag from on the Z? |
| 18:50:19 | kergoth | JasonNJ2: nope |
| 18:50:29 | JasonNJ2 | kergoth: send it to him |
| 18:50:36 | kergoth | JasonNJ2: will do |
| 18:52:11 | JasonNJ2 | anyone know of a way to convert a file to ASF format? |
| 18:52:25 | JasonNJ2 | I have a few trailers but they are in the wrong format for mpeg4 |
| 18:53:32 | sean | jasonnj2 i'd try transcode |
| 18:53:38 | warmi | http://www.sodamnfunny.com/Movie/People/indexF.html |
| 18:53:47 | warmi | who bunch of funny short movies in asf format |
| 18:54:01 | treke | JasonNJ2: microsoft has an encoder on their site somewhere |
| 18:54:22 | benmeyer | Ouch Harris pretty much says that they are going to use Sharp to develop there product to sell to others... |
| 18:55:33 | benmeyer | when I do a ps -a I get an application called "chat" anyone know what that is? |
| 18:55:51 | treke | sounds like the ppp chat program |
| 18:56:02 | treke | Its for ppp network connections |
| 18:56:10 | warmi | linuxgram is slashdottted |
| 18:56:58 | warmi | I thought somebody on this channel worked for lineo |
| 18:57:39 | benmeyer | work for sharp, which has a lineo contract |
| 18:58:07 | NeoTron | I find it amazing how much money these companies burn through |
| 18:58:11 | warmi | no, I think someone worked directly for Lineo and got fired like two or three weeks ago |
| 18:58:18 | NeoTron | it's an outrageous waste of money |
| 18:58:24 | druiid | anyone happen to know if a port of the opendivx codec is being worked on? |
| 18:59:09 | JasonNJ2 | the quality on those files stink tho |
| 18:59:19 | warmi | they simply imitate 500 fortune giants but without their income |
| 18:59:19 | JasonNJ2 | I know someone was porting XINE |
| 18:59:55 | druiid | xine would be cool.. wonder how the progress is coming. |
| 18:59:57 | kergoth | warmi: BZflag aka Tim Riker works for Lineo. Fastolfe used to |
| 19:00:34 | n1L | does anyone know if there is a c64 emulator for the zaurus somewhere? |
| 19:01:05 | druiid | haven't seen one, only seen the gameboy and SNES emu's... oh.. and xcopilot. |
| 19:01:45 | finkployd | So what happens to the Z if (when) lineo vanishes? |
| 19:02:03 | finkployd | it sure sounds like a typical case of a mismanaged company |
| 19:02:08 | NeoTron | yeah |
| 19:02:39 | benmeyer | The Z will still be ok |
| 19:02:41 | NeoTron | if the "$40000/month 10 person office" thing is true, which I kind of believe very possible, that's a nice examploe of "DOH!" |
| 19:02:58 | NeoTron | benmeyer: benefit of not depending on a specific vendor... |
| 19:03:15 | finkployd | What exactly did Lineo provide that was not open source? |
| 19:03:31 | benmeyer | some drivers |
| 19:03:36 | benmeyer | some apps |
| 19:03:45 | benmeyer | buffer between qt, java etc tools |
| 19:05:11 | treke | they assembled everything into a distribution |
| 19:06:04 | benmeyer | Anyone else have problems with the usb over network for the 5500? |
| 19:06:11 | benmeyer | network over usb |
| 19:06:25 | benmeyer | dies after 5 seconds or so... |
| 19:06:58 | killefiz_ | benmeyer: Which usb-driver do you use? |
| 19:07:31 | killefiz_ | benmeyer: try usb-uhci if you're not using it |
| 19:07:31 | n1L | Quake doesn't work for me. It tells me that i'll need the registered version to play modified games. Hoever it's 9 pm here and so I'll try tomorrow with a registered wad file.... |
| 19:07:39 | benmeyer | 2.4.18 with the patch from http://www.ruault.com/Zaurus/patches/ |
| 19:07:57 | benmeyer | dies as soon as I sending data over the line i.e. browse a webpage |
| 19:08:02 | benmeyer | gets half of the page done... |
| 19:08:13 | killefiz_ | benmeyer: no. in the kernel usb setup, you can choose between |
| 19:08:46 | killefiz_ | UHCI (Intel, PIIX4 ...) and UHCI (Alternate Driver) |
| 19:09:04 | benmeyer | Hmmm had them both compiled into the kernel |
| 19:09:23 | killefiz_ | benmeyer: not a good idea. Try again with both compiled as modules |
| 19:09:27 | benmeyer | uhci.c: USB UHCI at I/O 0x2040, IRQ 11 |
| 19:10:04 | killefiz_ | benmeyer: you need the module called usb-uhci.o |
| 19:10:17 | killefiz_ | the other one gives the trouble you're experiencing |
| 19:10:21 | benmeyer | it has to be a module? |
| 19:10:26 | killefiz_ | (it's noted in kendricks faq) |
| 19:10:41 | killefiz_ | no doen't have to be a module but that makes debugging/etc easier |
| 19:10:56 | benmeyer | I have the usbd network hot-to-host link as a module |
| 19:10:58 | Jet8810 | anybody in here interesetd in 512mb cf? |
| 19:11:18 | benmeyer | sure |
| 19:11:47 | benmeyer | What usb controller is best? |
| 19:11:57 | Jet8810 | trade for stuff...msg me with what your willing to trade |
| 19:12:13 | Kopsis | benmeyer: I've had the least trouble with OHCI |
| 19:12:43 | killefiz_ | Kopsis: Doesn't OHCI need a differend Hardware than UHCI? |
| 19:12:48 | Dr_Who | ouch... bad lineo vibes on /. |
| 19:13:21 | Kopsis | killefiz_: Yes, it's a different controller |
| 19:14:13 | Kopsis | killefiz_: supposedly a lot easier to write drivers for ... though I've never looked at the datasheets |
| 19:16:45 | tweaker | Does anyone know how to set an IMAP base mail folder name in qtopia? |
| 19:18:32 | benmeyer | not posible yet |
| 19:18:33 | benmeyer | doh! |
| 19:18:56 | tweaker | that sucks :( |
| 19:19:12 | benmeyer | yah it does |
| 19:19:17 | benmeyer | major shortcoming |
| 19:19:51 | tweaker | yup, qtmail is getting its ass kicked because its trying to read my home directory on the NIS server. :( |
| 19:22:22 | tweaker | crap, whats the best way to kill qtmail? |
| 19:22:47 | benmeyer | reboot |
| 19:22:57 | warmi | yeah, Windows way :-) |
| 19:23:45 | benmeyer | ok it isn't the best, but he easiest |
| 19:24:36 | benmeyer | ok this new usb driver blows. It keeps diing after I spend 5 seconds transfering data |
| 19:25:21 | tweaker | haha! killed the imap server and qtmail gave up. :) |
| 19:31:27 | druiid | also, anyone know when another update to snes9x will be out? |
| 19:31:57 | NetAmp | does that run well? |
| 19:32:06 | NetAmp | (like >1fps? ;-) |
| 19:32:07 | tweaker | ug, Z going so sloooow kernel swaper is eating CPU for lunch |
| 19:32:15 | druiid | yeah, amazingly well.. I just can't get sound working |
| 19:35:47 | NetAmp | but you have to install X for it huh? |
| 19:36:11 | druiid | yeah |
| 19:40:53 | NetAmp | wb kergoth |
| 19:42:27 | BigBoss | can someone try www.thekompany.com and tell me if it is working for you? |
| 19:42:36 | BigBoss | it seems like part of our DNS is missing |
| 19:42:51 | finkployd | not working for me |
| 19:42:55 | druiid | didn't work for me |
| 19:43:50 | BigBoss | are you both in the US? |
| 19:43:54 | finkployd | yup |
| 19:43:55 | BigBoss | and thanks :) |
| 19:44:03 | finkployd | well, I am |
| 19:44:13 | BigBoss | seems like it isn't working for anyone in the US, but russian, romania and italy all worked |
| 19:44:13 | druiid | me too |
| 19:44:19 | BigBoss | I can get to it via the ip address |
| 19:44:56 | Twiun | Works almost fine here too (UK) |
| 19:45:09 | catalin | doesn't work here anymore |
| 19:45:10 | MSpin | no luck here |
| 19:45:14 | Twiun | seems to be missing a few graphics |
| 19:45:18 | BigBoss | so what would cause our DNS to disappear in the US? |
| 19:45:19 | MSpin | US...ATT cable modem |
| 19:45:27 | druiid | is playing FFII on his zaurus |
| 19:45:27 | BigBoss | try a reload of the page |
| 19:45:35 | catalin | bb: did you phone the colo ? |
| 19:45:46 | druiid | still noting |
| 19:45:52 | Twiun | Still working |
| 19:45:53 | druiid | nothing, even |
| 19:46:24 | BigBoss | something is seriously messed up |
| 19:47:09 | MSpin | yes |
| 19:47:29 | MSpin | what's your primary NS? |
| 19:47:55 | BigBoss | not sure |
| 19:48:02 | BigBoss | I never have to deal with this |
| 19:48:06 | Twiun | weird... opera must cache the ip - !ping, !traceroute |
| 19:48:12 | BigBoss | the main support guy at the co-lo is out for an hour |
| 19:48:23 | Twiun | BB: scratch dns from the UK too |
| 19:48:27 | MSpin | it's possible some servers are still caching the record |
| 19:48:52 | Twiun | MSpin: no cacheing ns here |
| 19:49:03 | Twiun | Haven't got round to it |
| 19:49:16 | MSpin | but your primary DNS server would prolly do it |
| 19:49:26 | MSpin | NS.TIO.COM is the primary...it has it |
| 19:49:51 | BigBoss | tio.com is the co-lo |
| 19:49:58 | BigBoss | so any ideas? |
| 19:50:28 | finkployd | abandon DNS and just use ip address for everything? |
| 19:50:38 | Twiun | MSpin: possibly - but then why would ping/traceroute fail (if it were cached?)? |
| 19:50:50 | druiid | I'll take a look, see what I can find |
| 19:51:05 | BigBoss | going by ip solves part of the problem, but of course no one can get to our site through normal means :) |
| 19:51:09 | MSpin | I can hit the IP 209.155.138.67 |
| 19:51:10 | NetAmp | BB: doesn't work from here (NL) |
| 19:51:20 | BigBoss | and secure email won't authenticate for me on the ip |
| 19:51:42 | MSpin | the SOA record looks OK |
| 19:51:50 | MSpin | do you know if any DNS updates were done recently? |
| 19:51:51 | JasonNJ2 | whoa just reading this lineo stuff now. |
| 19:52:00 | finkployd | depressing, isn't it? |
| 19:52:01 | MSpin | JasonNJ: nasty.... |
| 19:52:22 | finkployd | maybe Sharp should hire some ex-lineo people... |
| 19:52:25 | BigBoss | MSpin: not that I'm aware |
| 19:52:29 | n1L | BB: didn't wok a minute ago. now working (D/DE) |
| 19:52:35 | BigBoss | jason: what lineo stuff? is there a story? |
| 19:52:41 | BigBoss | n1L: god this is strange |
| 19:52:51 | finkployd | BigBoss: slashdot |
| 19:52:52 | catalin | bb: /. |
| 19:53:01 | | Slashdot - Updated 2002-04-05 18:34:58 | Lineo near Death | Sega doing PalmOS Games | CIPA Trial Comes to a Close | Microsoft Tech Specs Prohibit GPL Implementations |
| 19:53:01 | NetAmp | ibot: slashdot |
| 19:53:03 | dauxxx | are you taking about the dead of lineo ? |
| 19:53:12 | finkployd | damn ibot is cool |
| 19:53:16 | dauxxx | http://www.linuxgram.com/article.pl?sid=02/04/05/1126237§ion=newsflash |
| 19:53:16 | druiid | bigboss: it appears to be a problem with the record on tio.com's nameservers. If you have a contact there, you might give them a call. |
| 19:53:32 | BigBoss | druiid: thanks |
| 19:53:35 | dauxxx | that is not cool :-( |
| 19:53:39 | druiid | have them run and ndc reload for thekompany.com |
| 19:53:46 | NetAmp | finkployd: heh yead ibot rocks ;) |
| 19:53:46 | druiid | errk s/and/an |
| 19:53:59 | catalin | tio is our colo, right BB ? |
| 19:54:04 | MSpin | druiid: still strange tho.... |
| 19:54:44 | BigBoss | catalin: yes - just got off the phone with them, they are working it now |
| 19:55:45 | MSpin | well...yoru colo could be internap...here in seattle they had a problem with random people hitting the master power kill switch for the entire data center |
| 19:56:10 | druiid | hehehe... thankfully at the data-center I work at, that's not possible. |
| 19:56:39 | MSpin | druiid: the switch had no guard over it....some lady thought it was the button to open the door |
| 19:56:47 | Twiun | rofl |
| 19:57:12 | druiid | haha |
| 19:57:48 | BigBoss | holy smokes this Lineo thing is aweful |
| 19:58:08 | NeoTron | yehaa. Candy Cruncher started ont he Z! |
| 19:58:24 | n1L | bye together |
| 19:58:55 | Jet8810 | does anybodyu in here have the consumer zaurus? |
| 19:59:29 | Jet8810 | what mah is the battery in zaurus? |
| 19:59:34 | NeoTron | FYI: loading ogg vorbis samples is slow. :-P |
| 19:59:49 | benmeyer | Hey BigBoss. yah it stinks |
| 20:00:12 | treke | NeoTron : cool :) |
| 20:00:16 | BigBoss | I know they've got like 3 good size contracts supposedly signed and a couple more that were supposed to be in progress |
| 20:00:43 | benmeyer | Sharp and Vercell were the only ones I knew of |
| 20:00:52 | Jet8810 | hehe ok :) |
| 20:01:21 | NetAmp | isn't it same mAh as iPAQ? |
| 20:01:48 | Jet8810 | i dont know...thats what i though... |
| 20:01:52 | NetAmp | iPAQ has Li-Ion 950 mAh |
| 20:02:00 | Jet8810 | thats 3600/3700s |
| 20:02:04 | Jet8810 | new models have 1400 mah |
| 20:02:06 | NetAmp | uhm yah H3760 |
| 20:02:10 | NetAmp | ow.. |
| 20:02:14 | Jet8810 | alright thanks |
| 20:02:19 | NetAmp | well |
| 20:02:27 | NetAmp | actually, I looked for that myself too |
| 20:02:33 | NetAmp | though i'd seen it |
| 20:02:34 | Jet8810 | :) |
| 20:02:39 | NetAmp | but couldn't find it at Sharp |
| 20:02:43 | Jet8810 | right |
| 20:02:43 | Jet8810 | thanks |
| 20:03:20 | NetAmp | ok :) |
| 20:03:49 | NeoTron | Candy Cruncher has now officially run on the Zaurus! :) |
| 20:04:02 | treke | How well does the interface fit? |
| 20:04:05 | BigBoss | benmeyer: you work at lineo? |
| 20:04:51 | benmeyer | nope I work for Sharp |
| 20:05:20 | BigBoss | Vercel and Sharp were the only ones I knew by name |
| 20:05:27 | BigBoss | oh duh: now I recognize your name :) |
| 20:05:58 | benmeyer | :-D Never did you a response to the faxes I sent you so I figured you didn't want me or whatnot and went and worked for Sharp |
| 20:06:10 | BigBoss | I never got your fax |
| 20:06:13 | benmeyer | ? |
| 20:06:15 | benmeyer | never? |
| 20:06:18 | BigBoss | nope |
| 20:06:23 | BigBoss | was wondering why |
| 20:06:27 | NeoTron | treke: well, that is the biggest part left. :P porting the graphics |
| 20:06:31 | benmeyer | grr and I sent it two differnt times |
| 20:06:33 | benmeyer | sigh |
| 20:06:36 | benmeyer | oh well |
| 20:06:37 | NeoTron | right now the only interface there is, is the playing of the game |
| 20:06:45 | BigBoss | i was getting other faxes |
| 20:06:50 | NeoTron | and FYI, FPU Ogg vorbis loading is kind of slow. :-PP |
| 20:07:12 | BigBoss | we have a working ogg player that takes less cpu than the MP3 player that we are releasing next week |
| 20:07:27 | benmeyer | BigBoss: a working intiger player? |
| 20:07:29 | benmeyer | really? |
| 20:07:49 | BigBoss | yep |
| 20:07:50 | BigBoss | all done |
| 20:07:56 | BigBoss | just doing some testing and fine tuning |
| 20:08:01 | treke | NeoTron : lemme look for a link, I seem to remember a fixed point ogg library |
| 20:08:03 | benmeyer | not bad |
| 20:08:18 | killefiz_ | BigBoss: Is the price fixed already? |
| 20:08:31 | BigBoss | yes - we have two different players |
| 20:08:38 | NeoTron | treke: actually, I'm kind of working with Xiph.org of getting such a thing created |
| 20:08:45 | NeoTron | and it should be done before CC is done |
| 20:08:55 | MSpin | well, it looks like my company will be using the Z for our handheld vibration monitor, w00t! |
| 20:08:56 | NeoTron | it's a lot better than the one available today |
| 20:09:00 | warmi | NeoTron: Now all you need is just lots of people buying Zs .. |
| 20:09:02 | warmi | heh |
| 20:09:09 | killefiz_ | BigBoss: What's the difference? |
| 20:09:39 | MSpin | BigBoss: please tell me the players can stream via http? |
| 20:09:40 | benmeyer | BigBoss: the jpg library that you re-wrote. What was the trade off or was there a trade off? |
| 20:09:41 | BigBoss | one is meant to be basic, just play ogg and mp3 files. The other is modular and scalable, does the basics as well as streaming media, mod and will support viedo as well |
| 20:09:56 | BigBoss | benmeyer: not sure since I didn't write it :) |
| 20:10:14 | killefiz_ | BigBoss: Cool, I'll buy it |
| 20:10:33 | treke | NeoTron : I just forwarded an email from the opie-devel list. It might be worth looking into. |
| 20:10:38 | killefiz_ | So the bigger player is catalin's mediacenter? |
| 20:10:42 | BigBoss | killefiz_: cool, I think you'll like it |
| 20:10:45 | BigBoss | yes - that is write |
| 20:10:59 | BigBoss | s/write/right |
| 20:11:08 | benmeyer | Because if it was just purly optimizations with no great loss it would definatly be something that TrollTech would want to incorperate back into Qt itself and I would look at talking to them about tha |
| 20:12:20 | BigBoss | we've done lots of things they should incoporate back |
| 20:12:49 | riskable | Howdy folks |
| 20:12:54 | kergoth | re |
| 20:12:59 | riskable | Anyone know if thekompany.com is having some DNS problems? |
| 20:13:00 | benmeyer | BigBoss: have you spoken to them about incorperating it back in? |
| 20:13:02 | riskable | Seems like they are |
| 20:13:13 | BigBoss | yes we are |
| 20:13:19 | BigBoss | the co-lo is working on it now |
| 20:13:41 | BigBoss | benmeyer: not lately, I've been trying to get them to answer some other questions first |
| 20:13:47 | riskable | Also, anyone know where the Z sets it's hostname? I've created a .bash_profile and .bashrc for my Z, but localhost is showing up in the PS1 variable as the hostname |
| 20:14:06 | riskable | OK, cool, I hope they get it fixed soon :) |
| 20:14:16 | MrX | is the a linksys wlan patch for rom 1.13 or only 1.12 ? |
| 20:14:37 | riskable | I mean, I can just do a "hostname rife" and it will change my hostname to rife, but I'm wondering if it's somewhere in the startup environment |
| 20:14:38 | kergoth | MrX: the only diff between 1.13 and 1.12 is heap size |
| 20:14:51 | kergoth | riskable: grep -r 'hostname' /etc |
| 20:14:53 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:15:54 | killefiz | damn .. what's the key to startup in console mode? |
| 20:15:56 | riskable | You can't do a grep -r on the Z |
| 20:16:00 | druiid | it sets it in /etc/rc.d/rc.local |
| 20:16:03 | riskable | It doesn't accept the -r option |
| 20:16:15 | riskable | I know because I already tried that :) |
| 20:16:25 | riskable | I'm used to Solaris... /etc/hostname =P |
| 20:16:37 | benmeyer | Does anyone know how to enable ftp on redhat 7.2? |
| 20:16:40 | dauxxx | question: how to press ctrl +c in a shell ?? |
| 20:16:56 | kergoth | riskable: for i in `find /etc`; echo $i:; if ( grep 'hostname' $i ); do echo " grep output: `grep hostname $i`"; fi; done; # or somethingi similar |
| 20:17:36 | riskable | OK, cool, it's in rc.local just like ya said (commented out by default it seems) |
| 20:17:41 | kergoth | heheh |
| 20:17:50 | kergoth | the Z needs to get a newer version of busybox |
| 20:17:56 | riskable | Yeah, no kidding |
| 20:18:02 | riskable | I don't understand this busybox crap |
| 20:18:11 | riskable | I just want my regular GNU binutils damnit! |
| 20:18:12 | kergoth | its just one binary with a lot of functionality |
| 20:18:14 | warmi | what's busybox ? |
| 20:18:16 | kergoth | heh. binutils is large |
| 20:18:33 | kergoth | busybox provides most of the functionality people need for the various apps, and its a hell of a lot smaller |
| 20:18:56 | MSpin | #wlan |
| 20:18:58 | MSpin | oops |
| 20:19:06 | riskable | In System Info it says I'm runing ROM 2.12, is that the same as 1.12? |
| 20:19:19 | kergoth | riskable: its equivalent to 1.12, but for the sl-5500, from what i understand |
| 20:19:32 | riskable | ...and Sharp hasn't released any updates yet |
| 20:19:34 | riskable | OK, cool |
| 20:19:36 | riskable | Now I know |
| 20:19:44 | riskable | the 1.xx series is for the 5000, gotcha |
| 20:19:48 | kergoth | yep |
| 20:19:51 | druiid | I wonder if openzaurus is better than the builtin zaurus software. |
| 20:19:57 | riskable | If I flashed my Z with the 1.13 ROM, I'd lose my commercial apps, right? |
| 20:20:03 | druiid | yes |
| 20:20:08 | kergoth | druiid: openzaurus doesnt work with 5500 yet, and is wayy behind current sharp roms |
| 20:20:14 | kergoth | druiid: at least until i release oz 3 |
| 20:20:17 | druiid | kargoth: ah |
| 20:20:29 | Jet8810 | is there any chance ppc 2002 coudl be flashed to zaurus or this might become possible soon? |
| 20:20:30 | kergoth | riskable: plus itd screw up.. you'd only have access to half of your memory |
| 20:20:35 | kergoth | riskable: since its for a 5000 |
| 20:20:37 | druiid | kargoth: when you do release it, would you recommend it over the zaurus distrib? |
| 20:20:39 | riskable | Ahh |
| 20:20:52 | NeoTron | CC is really a perfect game for the Zaurus. this'll be awesome! |
| 20:20:54 | kergoth | druiid: yes, i would.. but the sharp roms have some things it wont |
| 20:20:59 | druiid | jet8810: you could flash it with ppc 2002, but why would you want to :) |
| 20:20:59 | riskable | I'm curious... Why does my System Info app show only 32 megs of total memory? |
| 20:21:03 | kergoth | NeoTron: CC? |
| 20:21:08 | NeoTron | Candy Cruncher |
| 20:21:09 | Jet8810 | hehe druiid |
| 20:21:09 | kergoth | riskable: because you have a ramdisk taking up the rest |
| 20:21:12 | riskable | I have an SL-5500... I assume that half of it is taken up by the OS |
| 20:21:13 | NeoTron | (www.pyrogon.com) |
| 20:21:19 | riskable | OK, I was right |
| 20:21:19 | NeoTron | anyhow, time to take care of the kids. bbl |
| 20:21:20 | Jet8810 | so its possible? but not supported? |
| 20:21:25 | druiid | sure |
| 20:21:26 | NeoTron | is away: baby time |
| 20:21:32 | Jet8810 | could you use ipaq upgrade utility and would it WORK? |
| 20:21:42 | druiid | eventually I'm sure you'll be able to dual-boot both like on ipaqs.. |
| 20:21:53 | riskable | Question: If you have a nice big CF storage card, can you use that for RAM (system memory)? |
| 20:21:59 | druiid | riskable: yeah |
| 20:22:02 | Jet8810 | bur how about NOW |
| 20:22:02 | Jet8810 | would it work? |
| 20:22:14 | kergoth | riskable: you shouldnt. you could swap to cf, but it'd toast your CF in a short time |
| 20:22:14 | warmi | druid: how ?? |
| 20:22:18 | druiid | jet8810: theoretically it would, but there aren't any instructions to get it setup. |
| 20:22:24 | riskable | OK, cool... Because I was making plans to move the Z built-in apps onto a card =) |
| 20:22:28 | Jet8810 | hehe riskable i got a 512mb cf im trying to get rid of...:-p |
| 20:22:31 | Jet8810 | right |
| 20:22:49 | riskable | I bought a 64 meg CF card for $24 the other day |
| 20:22:52 | Jet8810 | hmm...i would be interested in hearing about this if somebody was brave enough to try |
| 20:23:23 | riskable | I'm curious to see if the 128 meg SD card I ordered is going to work in the Z |
| 20:23:34 | riskable | I hear the SD card driver is buggy |
| 20:23:45 | treke | Jet8810 : probably be a good way to toast your zaurus |
| 20:23:55 | riskable | ...and if that's the case, I'm going to blame it on the closed-sourcedness of the binary driver module that embedix puts out |
| 20:24:28 | Jet8810 | yea |
| 20:24:53 | riskable | I can't believe how much the cellular modem for the Z costs |
| 20:25:00 | treke | since the hardware hasnt been testing with the zaurus, it may not even work |
| 20:25:22 | treke | er tested with ppc2002 |
| 20:26:16 | riskable | What's the name of that online PDA store that sells the Z? ...mobile____ I forget |
| 20:26:37 | druiid | speaking of SD.. anyone seen 256 meg cards yet? |
| 20:27:10 | riskable | Are they even for sale yet? I've only seen announcements |
| 20:27:18 | druiid | I don't think they are.. but I'm curious |
| 20:27:43 | riskable | Well, I ordered a 128 meg module in the hopes that I can use my Z as a decent mp3 player |
| 20:27:49 | druiid | I could store a close to full-length mpeg on one that size. |
| 20:28:04 | Jet8810 | treke, true but it is strong arm so it *could* work |
| 20:28:10 | riskable | If they're out, there's also the question of the 256 meg cards working on the Z |
| 20:28:25 | riskable | I'm more interested in seeing the SD bluetooth card work :) |
| 20:28:31 | Jet8810 | i got 512mb if y nterested |
| 20:28:35 | Jet8810 | :-p |
| 20:28:44 | druiid | didn't even know they had any SD devices out yet |
| 20:28:45 | riskable | Does 512 CF card work in the Z? |
| 20:28:53 | druiid | riskable: sure.. |
| 20:29:16 | riskable | I need a carrying case for my Z |
| 20:29:47 | riskable | Something small with a belt clip that just holds the Z and a few SD/CF card |
| 20:30:23 | riskable | I made myself my own custom wood stylus the other day |
| 20:31:13 | riskable | Turned a nice kingwood click pen on the lathe and used a dremel on a PDA Panache spacepen stylus insert |
| 20:31:33 | riskable | It looks quite nice |
| 20:31:47 | benmeyer | Anyone got the install packages over the network to work? |
| 20:31:57 | riskable | I can try it |
| 20:32:51 | riskable | I just clicked the upgrade button and it just quickly moved to 100%. Not sure what it's doing |
| 20:33:08 | tux_mike | so, i assume everyone has seen the lineo near death article on /.? |
| 20:33:24 | riskable | Yeah |
| 20:33:37 | benmeyer | yup |
| 20:33:47 | roge99 | riskable: I just picked one up at Radio Shack its a Targus CHUS01 fits fine |
| 20:33:56 | roge99 | case that is |
| 20:34:15 | tux_mike | hrmm... |
| 20:34:22 | tux_mike | looks on targus's website |
| 20:34:33 | bewmIES | Have a good weekend. |
| 20:34:51 | riskable | I'll have to stop by Radio Shack later and check that out |
| 20:35:47 | Twiun | is the Z's default (read post flash) ip 192.168.129.1? |
| 20:35:51 | druiid | if you upgrade over the network, you have to add a package server. |
| 20:35:51 | riskable | is also looking on Targus' website |
| 20:36:05 | riskable | 192.168.129.201 |
| 20:36:08 | riskable | not .1 |
| 20:36:19 | NetAmp | riskable: cool, a custom stylus ;) |
| 20:36:27 | Twiun | Thankee... I always change it to something else that I forgot ;-) |
| 20:36:37 | riskable | Yeah, I just learned how to turn pens like 2 weeks ago |
| 20:37:07 | riskable | Cost me ~$6 to make the pen, then $10 for the damn stylus insert |
| 20:37:10 | killefiz | I have a 5500 and I'm trying to convince it to boot into console mode. I do see a menu at bootup but keypresses seem to be ignored. Is the option removed on the 5500 and if so how do I reactivate it |
| 20:37:14 | killefiz | I want to try X |
| 20:37:16 | riskable | $6 for the insert, $4 to ship it :( |
| 20:37:32 | finkployd | killefiz: try a forward slash |
| 20:38:32 | killefiz | finkployd: that's it, thanks |
| 20:39:26 | NetAmp | riskable: but you're satisfied with the result? |
| 20:39:37 | riskable | The CHUS01 comes with a belt-loop, not a clip? |
| 20:39:40 | tux_mike | i wonder what it's gonna mean to sharp if lineo goes ka-boom |
| 20:39:43 | riskable | Very satisfied |
| 20:40:45 | benmeyer | Simply means that Sharp will either A) goto someone else or B) do it internally. |
| 20:41:20 | tweaker | Of the three 802.11b cf cards (dlink,linksys, symbol) which do you prefer? |
| 20:41:20 | tux_mike | they could absorb or buy out lineo, if they wanted :) |
| 20:41:25 | tux_mike | SMC |
| 20:41:31 | tux_mike | symbol doesn't work yet |
| 20:41:39 | finkployd | tweaker: I prefer Linksys |
| 20:41:53 | druiid | linksys is good |
| 20:42:00 | riskable | I prefer the Z-com X-825 |
| 20:42:08 | riskable | (very similar to the SMC) |
| 20:42:36 | riskable | Anyway, gf is here (again)... Gotta go. I'll be back on tomorrow |
| 20:42:59 | riskable | See you blokes latah |
| 20:43:05 | benmeyer | later |
| 20:43:21 | benmeyer | Hmm does anyone knwo where ther is information about the package manger for the network install? |
| 20:44:38 | warmi | this Lineo situation will just add more fuel to recent MS claims about superiority of Windows CE solutions |
| 20:44:49 | tux_mike | yes |
| 20:44:57 | Twiun | unfortunately |
| 20:45:21 | finkployd | And put even more pressure on Sharp, who has to do something really good, soon |
| 20:45:29 | tux_mike | i just hope if lineo goes totally kaput, they Open up all their stuff. |
| 20:45:52 | finkployd | tux_mike: the money men will likely not let them do that. |
| 20:46:06 | tux_mike | true |
| 20:46:28 | warmi | I have already seen some reviewers claiming that Z would be the best handheld out there .. assuming it was running POcketPC 200x |
| 20:47:33 | NetAmp | screw PPC |
| 20:47:35 | NetAmp | :P |
| 20:47:47 | NetAmp | Maybe I'm lucky |
| 20:47:57 | NetAmp | that I have to wait until July/August |
| 20:47:58 | NetAmp | heh |
| 20:48:07 | NetAmp | maybe they'll change stuff :S |
| 20:48:35 | scanline | is away: class |
| 20:49:11 | benmeyer | grr still can't find anything |
| 20:49:14 | benmeyer | see you all monday |
| 20:49:33 | NetAmp | Yeah I like the Candy Cruncher graphics :) |
| 20:52:09 | tux_mike | would kind of like to reimplement opie in a way to totally replace Qtopia |
| 20:52:50 | kergoth | tux_mike: it can do that now.. except for qpe-pics and the libqpe |
| 20:52:52 | kergoth | tux_mike: heh |
| 20:53:04 | kergoth | hey BZFlag. sorry to hear about the shit Lineo's going through |
| 20:54:09 | tux_mike | kerny|home: no, eliminate all TT code |
| 20:55:56 | tux_mike | heck, when i do the tuxnami ui i plan on doing both a desktop and embedded version |
| 20:58:35 | NetAmp | "Lineo has run plum out of money. |
| 20:58:35 | NetAmp | After terminating roughly 50 of its 120 employees two weeks ago at the behest of its board and investors (CSN No 443), Lineo, the seemingly promising embedded Linux pioneer, bounced its paychecks. |
| 20:58:36 | NetAmp | In fact, a fair number of the last paychecks of the 50 people laid off reportedly didn't clear the bank. Paychecks paid to current employees at the end of March didn't have any funds to cover them either and automatic deposits weren't made. |
| 20:58:36 | NetAmp | Lineo, which confirms this sorry litany, also failed to pay laid off employees for the unused paid vacation they had a" |
| 20:58:43 | NetAmp | oops |
| 20:58:54 | NetAmp | apologises for C&P |
| 20:58:58 | NetAmp | too much :S |
| 20:59:18 | NetAmp | this really sucks though |
| 20:59:29 | tux_mike | meh, fits on one term screen on my z :) |
| 20:59:34 | BigBoss | it's too bad because they really just finally figured out what to do with themselves |
| 20:59:41 | tux_mike | yah |
| 20:59:48 | NetAmp | I wonder what Sharp will do if Lineo should die :( |
| 21:01:37 | Kopsis | NetAmp: There's plenty of other embedded Linux distros out there. No doubt Sharp owns the drivers that Lineo wrote so it shouldn't be a big deal to hop to another distro for new products. |
| 21:02:08 | treke | maybe this is why JasonNJ mentioned that sharp is watching oz very closel |
| 21:02:21 | NetAmp | heh |
| 21:02:26 | tux_mike | maybe :) |
| 21:02:41 | NetAmp | kergoth: sell it to them! :P |
| 21:03:30 | tux_mike | nah, i'd rather have them hire me and use it as an open type thing |
| 21:04:41 | BigBoss | you guys see this yet? http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT4063513468.html |
| 21:05:05 | tux_mike | i wish there was a way to keep the light on on my z when its plugged in |
| 21:05:27 | NetAmp | tux_mike: you can't? |
| 21:05:34 | tux_mike | will setting 0 to the timeouts work? |
| 21:05:52 | Twiun | BigBoss: looks cool |
| 21:05:59 | tux_mike | net well, i want it to behave normally when off ac |
| 21:07:29 | treke | BigBoss : you have any new qpe apps being released soon? |
| 21:08:00 | NetAmp | "And then, just as I was about to give up on my mission, Sharp came through with its Zaurus" sounds familiar ;) |
| 21:09:03 | tux_mike | BigBoss: how long have you known about the Z? |
| 21:10:17 | NetAmp | "directly interfaces with the framebuffer hardware device" I've read somewhere that it's faster having a layer in between? Or is that not the case here |
| 21:11:54 | BigBoss | september when I knew what it was |
| 21:12:05 | BigBoss | treke: yea, some media stuff last week |
| 21:12:11 | tux_mike | NetAmp: depends, fb just draws, you gotta have blts and stuff |
| 21:12:11 | BigBoss | well I just found out what happened to our web site |
| 21:12:19 | BigBoss | f****ing network solutions shut it down |
| 21:12:25 | treke | oh cool. I'll have to look at it |
| 21:12:37 | Twiun | BigBoss: wtf? |
| 21:12:53 | tux_mike | wtf is right |
| 21:12:58 | treke | rushes to buy thekompany.com |
| 21:13:11 | NetAmp | defaces Network Solutions |
| 21:13:15 | BigBoss | I transferred to a new service a year ago, paid for 2 years in advance |
| 21:13:19 | BigBoss | NS bought them 5 months later |
| 21:13:31 | BigBoss | and didn't update their records and maintained our original expire date |
| 21:13:38 | NetAmp | damn :( |
| 21:13:41 | Twiun | What a bunch of twats |
| 21:13:47 | NetAmp | kick 'em square in the nuts! |
| 21:13:49 | treke | that sounds slightly illegal |
| 21:14:05 | BigBoss | this is costing me a lot of money |
| 21:14:15 | Twiun | NetAmp: Kick? Nah... use a golf club ;-) |
| 21:14:26 | treke | plus they'll tell you tough shit if they resell the domain |
| 21:14:34 | NetAmp | Twiun: haha ;) Par! |
| 21:14:40 | BZFlag | kergoth: things are bleak, but a light at the end of the tunnel is starting to appear. |
| 21:14:41 | tux_mike | BigBoss: time for a letter to your lawyer |
| 21:15:03 | Twiun | BZFlag: As long as it's not an oncoming train.... |
| 21:15:09 | Twiun | crosses his fingers... |
| 21:15:44 | BigBoss | oh yea, my lawyer will have fun with this |
| 21:16:27 | finkployd | http://www.engrish.com/images/Hate.jpg |
| 21:16:30 | finkployd | I need this shirt |
| 21:16:54 | treke | the expires record is set to Jul-13-2003 though... |
| 21:17:13 | BigBoss | exactly |
| 21:17:21 | BigBoss | I paid for 2 years through another company last year |
| 21:17:27 | BigBoss | NS bought them a few months later |
| 21:17:35 | BigBoss | but I had switched to them from NS (because I hate NS) |
| 21:17:45 | BigBoss | so NS was still showing my 2001 expire date |
| 21:17:47 | BigBoss | in July |
| 21:17:55 | BigBoss | and they are just now shutting it down |
| 21:18:50 | tux_mike | ugh ns sucks |
| 21:20:01 | tux_mike | BigBoss: how long you down for? |
| 21:21:08 | BigBoss | almost all day so far |
| 21:21:20 | tux_mike | shit |
| 21:21:27 | BigBoss | and you know how long it takes to perpetuate once they turn it back on |
| 21:21:47 | tux_mike | 3 days typically |
| 21:22:04 | BigBoss | of course this dumb tart I was talking to couldn't understand the problem, just wanted me to pay |
| 21:22:11 | BigBoss | so I asked to talk to a manager - 15 minutes on hold so far |
| 21:22:26 | Twiun | BigBoss: recording the conversation? |
| 21:22:31 | tux_mike | time for a can of whoop-ass |
| 21:22:31 | Twiun | What little there is so far |
| 21:25:37 | BigBoss | oh my god |
| 21:25:46 | BigBoss | they said "woops, it is paid till 2003" |
| 21:25:51 | NetAmp | C-ya |
| 21:25:52 | BigBoss | so I said "You made a mistake then right?" |
| 21:26:01 | BigBoss | and they said "well there is some error of some sort" |
| 21:26:12 | BigBoss | so I said "tell me, was it NS or magic fairies that disabled it?" |
| 21:26:13 | Twiun | So they're trying to worm out of it |
| 21:26:20 | BigBoss | and she says "well I'm not sure exactly" |
| 21:26:23 | Twiun | rofl |
| 21:26:24 | kergoth | aha |
| 21:26:25 | kergoth | wtf |
| 21:26:43 | tux_mike | lol |
| 21:26:48 | BigBoss | so because it is their "error" somehow, they will escalate it so it will only take 3 to 5 days to fix |
| 21:27:11 | Twiun | frustrating |
| 21:27:19 | Twiun | Think there'll be damages? |
| 21:27:26 | tux_mike | argh. i hate the builders of this house |
| 21:27:37 | BigBoss | I'm going to pursue damages - this is ridiculous |
| 21:27:59 | BigBoss | it's BS that these guys have so much control over the 'net with no oversite |
| 21:28:53 | Austin | Uh... |
| 21:29:07 | Austin | Assuming you mean "oversight," Just what are you calling for? Government regulation? =P |
| 21:30:01 | BZFlag | Twiun: heh. no I expect it's not. I expect we will focus on making money. (what a concept) |
| 21:30:02 | Austin | (Not that I'm not sympathetic to your plight -- don't get me wrong.) |
| 21:30:32 | Twiun | BZFlag: I know the routine ;-) We're focusing on that atm |
| 21:30:33 | tux_mike | who owns the root servers? |
| 21:30:55 | peanut | has been busy.. |
| 21:30:58 | tux_mike | is it NS? |
| 21:31:03 | peanut | waves |
| 21:31:07 | peanut | quake on the Z |
| 21:31:10 | peanut | slow, but still nice.. |
| 21:31:14 | treke | why not, they were granted control over domain registry by the government |
| 21:31:22 | sjohnson | tux_mike: theroticall ICANN, in reality a bounce of differet companies |
| 21:31:23 | peanut | anyone know how it compares to the ipaq in performance? |
| 21:31:32 | BigBoss | no, I'm talking about not lettig NS buy up all the competition so there is only 1 service |
| 21:31:37 | Twiun | peanut: Yep... we need someone to rip out the floats |
| 21:31:45 | sjohnson | peanut: Qual on IPAQ is 1 fps |
| 21:31:53 | sjohnson | ER, Quake |
| 21:32:14 | Austin | BigBoss: ahh, in that case, true... but there are dozens of popular OpenSRS registrars out there, so making a case for a monopoly might be difficult. |
| 21:32:47 | BigBoss | these guys keep buying all the ones I keep moving to |
| 21:32:50 | BigBoss | it's annoying as hell |
| 21:33:00 | BigBoss | and their QA on mergers sucks big donkey weenies |
| 21:33:03 | roge99 | BigBoss: their following you |
| 21:33:09 | Austin | Indeed. |
| 21:33:11 | BigBoss | you're right!!! |
| 21:33:25 | roge99 | QUICK look behind you !!!! |
| 21:33:36 | Austin | believes it part of some vast conspiracy involving ninjas and the Vice President. |
| 21:41:41 | peanut | hehehe.. |
| 21:42:06 | peanut | teenage ninja mutant zaurii |
| 21:42:17 | peanut | ok.. that was lame |
| 21:42:21 | kergoth | yep |
| 21:42:22 | kergoth | :-P |
| 21:46:47 | peanut | :) |
| 21:48:25 | tux_mike | woo! more feature requests! woo! woo is in the picker! |
| 21:48:31 | kergoth | ? |
| 21:52:02 | tux_mike | more addressbook feature reaquests, wnd the word woo is in qtopia's picker dict |
| 21:52:14 | peanut | ahh.. |
| 21:52:27 | peanut | anyone here using the new qtopia desktop? |
| 21:52:36 | tweaker | yup |
| 21:52:41 | peanut | for linux |
| 21:52:54 | tweaker | yup, it works ok |
| 21:52:54 | killefiz | yes |
| 21:53:01 | peanut | i can't get it to run.. |
| 21:53:08 | tweaker | whats the problem? |
| 21:53:09 | killefiz | what does it do |
| 21:53:15 | peanut | hehe.. |
| 21:53:19 | peanut | core dumps |
| 21:53:32 | peanut | if i don't have the usbdnet connection up, the software won't run.. |
| 21:53:39 | peanut | then, if i have the correct ip in, it cores |
| 21:53:46 | peanut | if i have the wrong ip set, it works just fine.. |
| 21:53:51 | peanut | but of course, doesn't sync.. |
| 21:54:03 | peanut | a strace reveals that it logs in ok to the Z and then dumps |
| 21:55:06 | warmi | peanut: are you that guy whas was pitching Z to PSU ? |
| 21:55:19 | NetAmp | hey |
| 21:55:21 | peanut | huh? |
| 21:55:25 | NetAmp | have you all seen this: |
| 21:55:26 | NetAmp | http://newsforge.com/newsforge/02/04/02/2236225.shtml?tid=14 |
| 21:55:42 | NetAmp | "First off, I have to say this is the coolest little gadget since sliced bread. " |
| 21:55:49 | NetAmp | "Secondly, I have to say that the Zaurus is far from perfect. There are "gotchas" a-plenty that I will elaborate on later." |
| 21:55:58 | warmi | someone here was trying to convince PSU folks to buy Z ( PSU being Pensylwania State Univ) |
| 21:56:22 | peanut | not i.. i'm a ru kind of guy |
| 21:56:31 | peanut | never cared for his psu days |
| 21:58:29 | NetAmp | "and the rocker/select button is very nice" - now who needs a scroll wheel? ;) |
| 21:59:17 | warmi | rocekr/select ? |
| 21:59:28 | NetAmp | warmi: the round middle button :) |
| 21:59:36 | bipolar_away | is away: I'm not here... Really.... |
| 22:00:15 | warmi | ah .. ok |
| 22:00:26 | warmi | didn't know it was called "rocker" |
| 22:00:35 | NetAmp | heh :) |
| 22:00:49 | NetAmp | well, neither did I ;) |
| 22:03:58 | NetAmp | now has 36 Z bookmarks, and counting ;) |
| 22:06:14 | NetAmp | " I have yet to figure out how to delete an event that is a "yearly recurring" on the Zaurus. Every time I try to delete one it says okay, but the event is still there." |
| 22:13:35 | NeoTron | is back (gone 01:52:09) |
| 22:14:51 | NetAmp | "if you hook the Zaurus up to a network, root file read/write access is available to all." |
| 22:14:53 | NetAmp | aaah |
| 22:14:59 | NetAmp | horror |
| 22:15:23 | NetAmp | "You can set a root password, which at least puts a password into the mix, but reports are that it kills the sync ability (I haven't investigated this yet)." |
| 22:16:35 | NetAmp | ah overall it's a very positive article :) |
| 22:16:37 | NetAmp | "I'm happy with my purchase, and look forward to putting this little beast to some hardcore sysadmin/programming work! |
| 22:16:39 | NetAmp | " |
| 22:16:40 | NetAmp | heh |
| 22:16:43 | NetAmp | cool |
| 22:16:44 | MrX | i have change root passwd and sync works ... the opia ftpd at 4242 is with no poasswd check .. |
| 22:17:02 | NetAmp | MrX: thnx 4 the info :) |
| 22:17:22 | MrX | there is a trick to make the 4242 port save ... |
| 22:17:46 | NetAmp | without blocking it? |
| 22:19:08 | NetAmp | haha! Even here there's someone b*tching about Sharps site ;) probably /. |
| 22:19:16 | MrX | no it is a blocking trick, start a sshd at port 4242 , /usr/local/bin/sshd -p 4242 |
| 22:19:22 | NetAmp | I totally agree it's wrong, but since it's so easy to get around... |
| 22:19:56 | NetAmp | MrX: and you leave it open on that port? |
| 22:20:25 | MrX | no, the sshd block the opia ftpd, no sync ... |
| 22:21:26 | NetAmp | MrX: yeah so you stop it whenever you need to use FTP/sync |
| 22:21:28 | MrX | i have a problem with the opie-today app, it dont start if i resume my z ... |
| 22:22:19 | MrX | netamp: i read only about the sshd trick, i dont use it, i use my z only with a firewall in my network .. |
| 22:22:41 | kergoth | MrX: it wont, unless you are on an ipaq or a hacked up Z rom |
| 22:22:59 | kergoth | MrX: it depends on the opie launcher (qpe binary.. opie-base).. which you cant install from ipk onto the Z |
| 22:24:12 | MrX | mhm, i try at the next day, now i go sleeping ... good night ... |
| 22:26:38 | NetAmp | nite MrX |
| 22:27:46 | NetAmp | sweet: "I'm not sure if it's officially available yet (but I have an IPK of it), but you can also play MPEG4 video." |
| 22:28:13 | MrX | mhm, i look into the qoie-base_1.5.0 ... i only need the libqpe.so.1.5.0 ? |
| 22:34:59 | NetAmp | finkployd: real good review!: http://newsforge.com/newsforge/02/04/02/2236225.shtml?tid=14 |
| 22:35:15 | finkployd | cool |
| 22:35:15 | NetAmp | they should do more reviews that way :) |
| 22:35:36 | NetAmp | not overly positive, just fine. But also with enough attention to the bad parts that need fixing :) |
| 22:35:54 | NetAmp | I think it's cool this way |
| 22:37:28 | finkployd | Yeesh, I cannot believe Sharp has yet to fix their web site. Are they unaware of how stupid they look? |
| 22:37:49 | treke | What is wrong with their website? |
| 22:38:03 | NetAmp | treke: Javascript browser check |
| 22:38:13 | treke | ah |
| 22:38:13 | finkployd | it tells you you have to use IE or Netscape 7 |
| 22:38:29 | finkployd | They have been a laughing stock for weeks because of that |
| 22:38:35 | killefiz | it works with mozilla now |
| 22:38:41 | treke | ah. I looked at it using IE and didnt notice any problems :) |
| 22:39:37 | NetAmp | me2 |
| 22:39:40 | NetAmp | heh |
| 22:40:11 | NetAmp | hey cool there's also an article about BZFlag |
| 22:40:19 | NetAmp | at linuxorbit |
| 22:41:31 | NeoTron | killefiz: it works with mozilla when you have jacascript off |
| 22:42:29 | fusion94 | is back (gone 04:53:45) |
| 22:43:18 | killefiz | NeoTron: ah .. yes |
| 22:54:23 | tux_mike | ho hum |
| 22:54:38 | NetAmp | someone into car-hacking? ;) |
| 22:54:39 | NetAmp | http://www.spectrum.ieee.org/WEBONLY/resource/oct01/speak.html |
| 22:54:59 | NetAmp | warns: Do NOT try this at home! |
| 22:56:30 | NetAmp | hm |
| 22:56:32 | NetAmp | I'm bored |
| 22:56:58 | NetAmp | I'll go to sleep... |
| 22:57:00 | NetAmp | cya |
| 23:01:44 | tux_mike | ho hum |
| 23:04:22 | bcanon | Is there a way to tell ssh to save its configuration files somewhere besides /root/? |
| 23:48:58 | Hellaenergy | later yall ;) |
| 23:52:46 | whardier | anybody here on a windows dialup connection? |
| 23:53:23 | kergoth | hell no |
| 23:53:24 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:53:56 | whardier | damn |
| 23:54:35 | kergoth | i should go train. i havent worked out in 2 months! |
| 23:54:37 | kergoth | argh |
| 23:54:39 | kergoth | slackin |
| 23:56:22 | whardier | I should go poop |
