| 03:44:23 | kendrick2 | neo - SDL!!! |
| 03:44:32 | kendrick2 | snickers |
| 03:47:33 | kendrick2 | dl's :) |
| 03:47:34 | kendrick2 | cheers |
| 03:56:22 | keith | So does anyone have any nifty uses for their Zaurus cooked up yet? |
| 03:56:33 | Teras6557 | Hi all, has anybody seen problems when ftping large files. I am trying to ftp a backup file (20MB) from the CF card to my PC and at about 1.5MB the Zaurus stop responding, not even to a ping command. BTW I also tried with SSH and I get the same problem, any comments? |
| 04:12:10 | kaygee | SL-5500's for $462.95 +SH on computers4sure.com |
| 04:12:28 | kaygee | course the shipping is $21.89 |
| 04:13:00 | warmi | they don't have it in stock |
| 04:13:26 | kaygee | nevermind then |
| 04:13:58 | kaygee | I don't concern myself with such things as out of stock, pshaw I say ;-) |
| 04:14:04 | warmi | hehe |
| 04:15:23 | warmi | kaygee: you are planning to buy 5500 ? |
| 04:18:22 | keith | Does anyone know if Sharp plan's to offer an iPAQ like expansion pack ? |
| 04:21:33 | kaygee | warmi: eventually |
| 04:22:34 | warmi | like patient tracking ? |
| 04:22:35 | kaygee | yeah, like palm has |
| 04:22:56 | kaygee | exactly, and drug reference, and 5-min clinical consult, and medical calculators |
| 04:23:17 | warmi | oh .... "client" or rather patient side medical apps |
| 04:23:18 | kaygee | oh, and medical reference texts |
| 04:23:33 | kaygee | I'm a med student |
| 04:23:43 | warmi | I once worked for a company that was selling dental managment program |
| 04:23:56 | kaygee | and we don't know enough medicine to be able to get by without an extra "electronic" brain |
| 04:24:02 | warmi | complete with video database of patient teeth etc ... |
| 04:24:10 | kaygee | that's interesting |
| 04:24:15 | warmi | well, if Z takes off, you will have all kinds of apps available |
| 04:24:16 | warmi | :-) |
| 04:24:24 | kaygee | that's what I'm hoping |
| 04:24:43 | kaygee | being Linux I'm banking on lots of ports, plus some new apps |
| 04:24:49 | warmi | (I mean with option to have video of patient teeth ..:-) ) |
| 04:25:12 | warmi | kaygee: well, people will port if there is money to be made meaning if there are enough units sold |
| 04:25:17 | kaygee | but it's kind of hard to justify the $500 right now without any apps of that kind available |
| 04:25:22 | warmi | typical problem for new platform |
| 04:25:42 | kaygee | exactly, which is why I posted to the list about the lowest price from pricegrabber.com |
| 04:25:50 | kaygee | although it's kind of like preaching to the converted |
| 04:26:00 | warmi | haha |
| 04:26:09 | warmi | most of us here already have development version of Z |
| 04:26:18 | kaygee | I think if I had a unit to show doctors, residents, and med students I'd be able to sell more than a few just based on coolness factor |
| 04:26:44 | kaygee | but without those important apps we have a chicken/egg problem again |
| 04:26:50 | warmi | makes sense ... |
| 04:26:54 | warmi | yep:-) |
| 04:27:07 | warmi | allright, time to go get some sleep |
| 04:27:10 | kaygee | if we throw that out the window, my killer app right now is wireless Jabber ;-) |
| 04:27:19 | warmi | good night everybody |
| 04:27:20 | warmi | :-) |
| 04:27:23 | kaygee | g'night then |
| 04:27:51 | tux_mike | god damnit. |
| 04:34:10 | shoe | it can't be that bad :) |
| 04:35:13 | tux_mike | my isp is finally back online. |
| 04:41:25 | bewmIES | kaygee: theKompany has a Jabber client |
| 04:41:31 | bewmIES | It's pretty slick, I have it. |
| 04:43:00 | kaygee | bewmIES: yes, I'm well aware (giddy with anticipation) but as I don't have a Z yet, it doesn't really matter |
| 04:43:12 | shoe | bewm paid for it :P |
| 04:43:15 | kaygee | I do plan on buying their bundle when I get one though |
| 04:43:37 | kaygee | do you use it wirelessly, bewmIES? |
| 04:44:25 | shoe | kaygee: I do... it works brilliantly |
| 04:44:31 | shoe | the opera browser is nice |
| 04:44:51 | shoe | although I keep reading that I should install something else because it uses a lot of memory |
| 04:45:11 | kaygee | I chat with my brother over jabber every evening and so I have to be at my apartment obviously |
| 04:45:27 | kaygee | it would be great to be able to chat with him wherever I happen to be (relatively) |
| 04:45:45 | shoe | well |
| 04:45:49 | shoe | what kind of wireless are you talking about |
| 04:45:50 | bewmIES | kaygee: Not yet, just bought wireless gear tonight. :) |
| 04:45:58 | shoe | you need to be near a base |
| 04:46:09 | shoe | or are you gonna hook up a cell phone or something? |
| 04:46:24 | bewmIES | And yes, I did buy the bundle, and I'm very happy with it and think it was well worth the money. |
| 04:46:30 | kaygee | right, but I know there are several wireless AP's near me |
| 04:46:38 | bewmIES | And I am greatly anticipating the promise of being able to sync Kapital on my Zaurus with Kapital on my desktop. :) |
| 04:46:42 | kaygee | and I'm sure I could find lot's more wardriving |
| 04:46:45 | shoe | bewm :P |
| 04:47:20 | kaygee | and wireless AP's at my local library (or a starbucks even though i don't drink coffee) |
| 04:47:39 | shoe | starbucks? no kidding... where do you live? |
| 04:48:01 | kaygee | Omaha, but I'm pretty sure most starbucks have 802.11 |
| 04:48:08 | shoe | really? I didn't know that |
| 04:48:09 | kaygee | it's like a company thing |
| 04:48:14 | shoe | goes to starbucks.com |
| 04:48:21 | keith | kaygee: what wireless card did you go with |
| 04:48:26 | bewmIES | Hmm, may look into that |
| 04:48:33 | kaygee | yeah, they contracted with some company to implement it, but I forget the name |
| 04:48:49 | BigBoss | ok, my ears are burning. who is talking about me? :) |
| 04:49:04 | shoe | heh |
| 04:49:13 | kaygee | well, we were mentioning the Kompany |
| 04:49:31 | kaygee | and their super-spectacular Zaurus software bundle ;-) |
| 04:49:37 | shoe | that costs $50 |
| 04:49:39 | BigBoss | now that is what I like to hear :) |
| 04:49:41 | bewmIES | I don't see any mention of wireless on starbucks.com |
| 04:49:44 | shoe | heh |
| 04:49:46 | shoe | bewm: me either |
| 04:49:50 | shoe | I'm looking, though |
| 04:50:06 | BigBoss | well the new bundle with a couple more apps is going to be $70, but it's still a savings of $25 |
| 04:50:25 | kaygee | bewmIES: yeah, me neither, but I'm almost sure of it |
| 04:50:31 | kaygee | I'm gonna search /. |
| 04:50:35 | shoe | Boss: does the financial software sync with quicken? |
| 04:50:36 | shoe | that would rule |
| 04:50:40 | bewmIES | SEATTLE; October 18, 2001 ? |
| 04:50:40 | bewmIES | Starbucks Coffee Company Responds to the Plight of Coffee Farmers |
| 04:50:41 | bewmIES | heh |
| 04:50:48 | shoe | haha |
| 04:51:23 | BigBoss | shoe: it costs money though - are you sure you want it? :) |
| 04:51:32 | keith | kaygee: what wireless card do you have? |
| 04:51:40 | BigBoss | no it doesn't, but it will sync with our desktop version of Kapital eventually |
| 04:51:43 | shoe | BigBoss :P |
| 04:52:03 | bewmIES | By Carolyn Duffy Marsan |
| 04:52:04 | bewmIES | Network World, 06/25/01 |
| 04:52:04 | bewmIES | Starbucks Coffee this summer will launch one of the largest wireless network initiatives ever, rolling out high-speed Internet access in all 4,000 of its North American shops. |
| 04:52:07 | bewmIES | Looks so |
| 04:52:10 | kaygee | http://www.salon.com/tech/wire/2001/01/03/microsoft_starbucks/index.html |
| 04:52:19 | BigBoss | there is QIF support coming, so there is some sync ability |
| 04:52:29 | shoe | (January 08, 2001) Starbucks Corp. plans to serve up high-speed wireless LAN access to its customers in all 3,000 of its North American outlets, betting that access to the technology will drive traffic into its coffee shops during off-peak postbreakfast hours. |
| 04:52:31 | shoe | how about that |
| 04:52:33 | kaygee | that isn't exactly it, but I think it may deal with the same thing |
| 04:52:36 | BigBoss | too bad they are using microsoft |
| 04:52:38 | shoe | runs to starbucks with her zaurus |
| 04:52:53 | bewmIES | I'll have to check that out later this week when my gear arrives. |
| 04:52:56 | kaygee | I'm glad I wasn't making it up |
| 04:52:59 | shoe | http://www.computerworld.com/cwi/story/0,1199,NAV47_STO55983,00.html |
| 04:53:02 | kaygee | I got worried for a second |
| 04:53:22 | shoe | hehe |
| 04:53:32 | kaygee | keith: I don't have a wireless card (or a Z) I just hang out here to soak up the ambience |
| 04:53:36 | shoe | I'm surprised it's not more highly advertized |
| 04:53:46 | shoe | I would have noticed something like that |
| 04:53:58 | kaygee | probably because it's like a 56k line to each store ;-) |
| 04:54:08 | shoe | baby steps :P |
| 04:54:46 | bewmIES | The article I saw said T1 |
| 04:54:50 | bewmIES | Back to MobileStar. |
| 04:55:22 | shoe | why isn't Starbucks saying anything about it |
| 04:55:23 | shoe | weird |
| 04:55:38 | BigBoss | just do what we do. get a cell phone with an IR port on it, and use tkcJabber to connect to your isp through your cell phone wherever you are |
| 04:55:45 | kaygee | between starbucks and things like nocat.net, seattlewireless.net, and nycwireless.net things could get very cool very soon |
| 04:55:54 | shoe | BigBoss: how does that work? |
| 04:56:22 | shoe | I've got a cell phone with GPSM techology |
| 04:56:25 | shoe | I'd love to do something like that |
| 04:56:29 | kaygee | I knew I should have got the cell with the IR port when I had the chance but I didn't think I'd ever use it |
| 04:56:32 | shoe | but I'm unclear on how to hook my phone up to my pda |
| 04:56:34 | BigBoss | You'd have to ask msmax, but this is how he tested all our wireless stuff because he couldn't get the wireless lan equipment in Moscow |
| 04:56:37 | kaygee | kicks himself for being cheap |
| 04:56:42 | shoe | haha |
| 04:56:50 | shoe | kaygee: gotta get the ir port |
| 04:56:56 | BigBoss | call your isp on your cell phone, but the Z so the ir ports are aligned |
| 04:57:16 | kaygee | or bluetooth (praying for Z support soon) |
| 04:57:20 | BigBoss | and then whatever it was that max did to make it work |
| 04:57:22 | shoe | bah |
| 04:57:30 | shoe | call my ISP? I don't have an ISP :( |
| 04:57:39 | shoe | has DSL |
| 04:57:43 | BigBoss | why pay expensive fee's to wireless people |
| 04:57:55 | BigBoss | get a cheap one for $7 a month |
| 04:58:06 | shoe | wonder what the speeds would be like |
| 04:58:09 | kaygee | are the people themselves wireless? ;-) |
| 04:58:16 | kaygee | because I don't have wires either |
| 04:59:57 | BigBoss | how fast a connection do you need for jabber? :) |
| 05:00:11 | kaygee | that's a good point |
| 05:00:20 | shoe | well |
| 05:00:31 | shoe | if you're gonna hook it up... why screw around... do web browsing, the whole nine |
| 05:01:24 | kaygee | right, but in a pinch it would work great for checking email, jabbering, quick ftp, etc... |
| 05:01:33 | shoe | totally |
| 05:01:36 | kaygee | when you're not near an AP |
| 05:02:13 | shoe | looks for an ISP |
| 05:02:19 | kaygee | or you could bond your cell/IR connection w/ your wirelss/CF connection to increase your throughput :-P |
| 05:02:35 | BigBoss | does this mean we can expect an order from you soon shoe? :) |
| 05:02:43 | shoe | haha |
| 05:02:47 | kaygee | although i think that takes EQL kernel drivers |
| 05:03:12 | shoe | The Kompany's software looks the most attractive to me, I admit... but paying for it makes me sigh |
| 05:03:13 | shoe | besides |
| 05:03:17 | shoe | there are other chat clients out there for free |
| 05:03:21 | shoe | and irc clients for the Z |
| 05:04:35 | BigBoss | you get paid to write code don't you? |
| 05:04:40 | shoe | yeah |
| 05:04:43 | BigBoss | you should donate your work because you love to do it |
| 05:04:56 | shoe | well, that's different |
| 05:05:00 | kaygee | absolutly your perogative, but I think the Kompany's apps have the only cool looking icons '-\ |
| 05:05:08 | shoe | kaygee: oh, I agree |
| 05:05:20 | keith | Does anyone know if Sharp plan's to offer an iPAQ like expansion pack ? |
| 05:05:35 | BigBoss | how is it different? |
| 05:05:42 | shoe | well |
| 05:05:46 | BigBoss | we have to pay programmers, so how would we earn money? |
| 05:05:54 | BigBoss | I could go back to male modelling of course :) |
| 05:05:58 | shoe | haha |
| 05:06:03 | kaygee | keith: I don't know why you would need one, unless you have something that's only PCMCIA card |
| 05:06:10 | shoe | hrm |
| 05:06:17 | BigBoss | I just don't buy into RMS worker paradise |
| 05:06:32 | shoe | well, I can't believe there's a company out there dedicated to writing software for something like the Z |
| 05:06:34 | BigBoss | the whole structure doesn't hold up |
| 05:06:46 | BigBoss | we are dedicated to writing lots of software for various things |
| 05:06:46 | shoe | in my perfect world, there are 5000 weekend developers doing it as a hobby |
| 05:06:47 | keith | kaygee: that is one reason, the other is they have their own power source, so the wireless card wouldn't drain the Z |
| 05:06:52 | BigBoss | check our web site |
| 05:07:21 | kaygee | what!? Marxism doesn't make for profits in a capitalistic market environment? I'll be damned :-) |
| 05:07:23 | BigBoss | when you do it as a hobby you usually get 80% done - the last 20% isn't fun, so you dont' do it |
| 05:07:40 | shoe | yeah... |
| 05:07:46 | BigBoss | all of my employees in former communist countries are hard core capitalists :) |
| 05:07:49 | shoe | don't get me wrong, your product is probably superior to all others |
| 05:07:59 | shoe | all others that are free |
| 05:08:03 | kaygee | keith: true, but I'd trade that for the thickness gains |
| 05:08:16 | shoe | but I do believe that there are quality development projects going on out there that will offer their software at no cost |
| 05:08:20 | BigBoss | I'm tweaking you to get you to think about the economic structure of howit might work |
| 05:08:42 | BigBoss | shoe: that is true, but the programmers are typically paid and the company that pays them makes money from something else |
| 05:08:45 | BigBoss | maybe support |
| 05:08:49 | BigBoss | but look at the model |
| 05:09:02 | BigBoss | you can sell services and support for things like PHP, Zope, Apache, etc. |
| 05:09:09 | shoe | true |
| 05:09:18 | BigBoss | what is the model for something that is a web editor? |
| 05:09:20 | shoe | but you chose not to? |
| 05:09:21 | kaygee | I think we all agree that as a business model OSS leaves some things to be desired |
| 05:09:35 | BigBoss | to make money selling support ans services, you have to make crappy software that is hard to use |
| 05:09:35 | kaygee | but that doesn't preclude it from producing good software by volunteers |
| 05:09:41 | shoe | hehe |
| 05:09:47 | BigBoss | the acquisition of each of those support dollars is horrifically expensive |
| 05:09:49 | kaygee | those volunteers just need to sell other software to live |
| 05:10:05 | BigBoss | on the other hand I can put a $50 box of software in Fry's and someone will walk in and buy it (hopefully) |
| 05:10:08 | kaygee | so OSS and proprietary software must coexist, thus ther is a ying and a yang |
| 05:10:29 | shoe | not to mention the fact that people who really want the software, but don't want to pay for it, can get it anyway |
| 05:10:31 | BigBoss | you have to look at the pieces that make sense |
| 05:10:32 | shoe | you must know that :) |
| 05:10:45 | shoe | although |
| 05:10:49 | shoe | $50 is not that much to pay |
| 05:10:53 | shoe | for 5 pieces of quality software |
| 05:10:58 | shoe | or whatever it is you're bundling in your package |
| 05:11:07 | BigBoss | I've found that when someone pays for our software, and it doesn't cost much, they aren't likely to give it away |
| 05:11:27 | BigBoss | it's a greed thing - basically "you go buy it yourself, I paid for mine" |
| 05:11:32 | shoe | haha |
| 05:11:34 | shoe | true |
| 05:12:01 | BigBoss | I tried this as an experiment with one of our products over a year ago |
| 05:12:10 | BigBoss | there is nothing stopping anyone from redistributing it, however... |
| 05:12:19 | BigBoss | no one has, and it is our 2nd biggest selling title |
| 05:12:28 | shoe | that's cool |
| 05:12:37 | keith | BigBoss: what apps do you have planned to add to the bundle? |
| 05:12:37 | shoe | I think you're right... about the low cost being a factor there |
| 05:13:08 | BigBoss | I do absolutely no market research to come up with pricing. I look at it and think what my personal pain threshold is for buying something |
| 05:13:31 | msmax | keith: I've found that when someone pays for our software, and it doesn't cost much, they aren't likely to give it awayBigBossit's a greed thing - basically "you go buy it yourself, I paid for mine" |
| 05:13:34 | BigBoss | keith: tkcGallery and tkcFTP are being added (it's available on myzaurus now) |
| 05:13:38 | shoe | like... I've got no problem installing photoshop6.0 from some distribution like LimeWire... but if it were just $50, I'd probably go get it... seeing how much I use/like the software |
| 05:13:41 | BigBoss | the price jumped $20 as a result |
| 05:13:44 | shoe | but who's gonna drop $400 for it? |
| 05:14:32 | shoe | are there trial versions, Boss? |
| 05:14:34 | BigBoss | I use to pirate software 13 years ago, but I used it to demo stuff, I'd typically buy it if I used it |
| 05:14:58 | BigBoss | shoe: no there isn't. Neo had some cool code he gave me to do it, so we will likely add that soon |
| 05:15:00 | shoe | I'll generally pay a shareware fee if I find software to be extremely useful for me |
| 05:15:44 | bewmIES | But arguing weather or not it's okay to charge for software is a circular argument, it's purely based on opinion. If somebody chooses to charge you for the software they wrote it is their choice and you have a choice not to buy it. |
| 05:15:48 | shoe | trial versions would be really nice |
| 05:16:03 | shoe | bewm: I agree 100% |
| 05:16:20 | BigBoss | bewmIES: you are forgetting what RMS says "It's all about choice, you just need to choose my choice" :) |
| 05:16:27 | shoe | hehe |
| 05:16:37 | bewmIES | I don't really care what RMS says. :) I find him way too extreme. |
| 05:16:50 | BigBoss | not to mention physically disgusting :) |
| 05:16:54 | bewmIES | heh |
| 05:17:09 | bewmIES | So when is the Z gonna run Hurd? |
| 05:17:10 | bewmIES | chuckles |
| 05:17:13 | BigBoss | he picks his butt (like deep) when he's standing there talking to you |
| 05:17:20 | shoe | hahaha wtf |
| 05:17:20 | BigBoss | don't you mean GNUHurd? |
| 05:17:23 | shoe | who is RMS? |
| 05:17:33 | bewmIES | I love how Open Source advocates love to talk about vaporware when one of the largest vaporware projects is right under their nose. |
| 05:17:38 | BigBoss | shoe: you've got to be kidding. You sound like one of his disciples almost |
| 05:17:43 | bewmIES | (and yes I know they're supposed to be releasing something this year) |
| 05:17:57 | BigBoss | no kidding, Hurd is so far behind and late it is just irrelevant now |
| 05:18:00 | BigBoss | who is going to use it? |
| 05:18:02 | bewmIES | exactly |
| 05:18:03 | bewmIES | _nobody_ |
| 05:18:07 | bewmIES | No vendors will package it except Debian. |
| 05:18:14 | bewmIES | And I wonder if Debian will make it the "default" |
| 05:18:21 | BigBoss | I doubt it |
| 05:18:26 | BigBoss | I hope not, I use debian |
| 05:18:34 | shoe | me too |
| 05:18:37 | bewmIES | I think they'll talk about it, and there will be a very heated argument, and in the end they will not. |
| 05:18:37 | shoe | debian is fine the way it is |
| 05:18:38 | kaygee | 3 |
| 05:18:46 | BigBoss | I should donate some money I guess - but since it took a week to install, maybe not :) |
| 05:18:48 | bewmIES | But there are a _lot_ of GNU people very active in Debian. |
| 05:18:53 | kaygee | when will we have apt-get for the Z? |
| 05:19:11 | BigBoss | now that would be nice |
| 05:19:19 | bewmIES | ipkg looks like it's supposed to do most of what apt-get does |
| 05:19:27 | BigBoss | ipkg sucks |
| 05:19:27 | kaygee | I had heard that as well |
| 05:19:31 | bewmIES | concurs |
| 05:19:32 | shoe | ipkg is terrible |
| 05:19:38 | bewmIES | It needs a lot of work. |
| 05:19:38 | BigBoss | there is no way to update or anything |
| 05:19:45 | BigBoss | must uninstall and reinstall everything |
| 05:19:54 | shoe | no dependencies |
| 05:19:58 | shoe | or no support that I've found |
| 05:20:31 | BigBoss | and I want a way to remove programs from ROM that I don't want |
| 05:20:33 | bewmIES | It's good that ipk's are nothing but tarballs inside tarballs :) |
| 05:20:37 | BigBoss | and move apps between tabs |
| 05:20:39 | bewmIES | BigBoss: I'm doing that right now actually |
| 05:20:45 | bewmIES | Starting working on a custom ROM for myself |
| 05:20:56 | BigBoss | cool - but it shouldn't be that hard |
| 05:21:01 | shoe | boy... being able to add a new tab, move an app into a particular tab... that would be great |
| 05:21:04 | bewmIES | Removing stuff I dont' need and going to include stuff I always install anyway like fbvncserver and the Kompany stuff |
| 05:21:09 | bewmIES | (which is why it's for myself ;)) |
| 05:21:28 | BigBoss | yea, I hate reinstalling everything |
| 05:21:40 | bewmIES | I have them all in an ESSENTIALS directory on a CF |
| 05:21:48 | bewmIES | Just pop it in, ipkg install *, and be done with it |
| 05:22:05 | keith | how tough is it to roll your own ROM? |
| 05:22:07 | BigBoss | and could the install/uninstall software suck any more? |
| 05:22:11 | bewmIES | Read the docs. |
| 05:22:14 | shoe | haha |
| 05:22:17 | bewmIES | I still am. :) |
| 05:22:17 | BigBoss | changes every release |
| 05:22:33 | bewmIES | My first chore is get rid of the Java stuff |
| 05:22:40 | shoe | what?! |
| 05:22:41 | BigBoss | yea, no shit - I don't need that |
| 05:22:42 | bewmIES | Then all teh apps I don't use |
| 05:22:51 | bewmIES | Then adding the stuff I want and seeing if it's in the size limit |
| 05:22:52 | shoe | the java stuff is part of what makes it cool |
| 05:22:54 | BigBoss | like 90% of the crappy games |
| 05:22:56 | bewmIES | Then reflashing and crossing my fingers. :) |
| 05:22:58 | bewmIES | yup |
| 05:23:05 | bewmIES | Go |
| 05:23:05 | bewmIES | Mindbreaker |
| 05:23:05 | bewmIES | Word Game |
| 05:23:08 | bewmIES | Those are getting the axe |
| 05:23:11 | shoe | haha |
| 05:23:12 | BigBoss | those are the ones :) |
| 05:23:20 | bewmIES | shoe: And all the cool Java apps or the pretty colors? |
| 05:23:27 | bewmIES | EMail |
| 05:23:27 | bewmIES | File Manager |
| 05:23:27 | bewmIES | Spreadsheet |
| 05:23:27 | bewmIES | Text Editor |
| 05:23:35 | bewmIES | Those are all going bye bye, they suck compared to yours :) |
| 05:23:44 | bewmIES | (Spredsheet is on the Flinders SD ROM) |
| 05:23:51 | bewmIES | And I'll be damned if I ever use that email app. |
| 05:24:21 | shoe | they need to make that stuff customizable |
| 05:24:37 | BigBoss | yea - we will be porting our email/pim suite to the Z soon |
| 05:24:52 | keith | shoe: I agree |
| 05:24:53 | kaygee | very cool |
| 05:25:19 | shoe | Boss: if someone buys your software, do they get all the upgrades for free? |
| 05:25:57 | BigBoss | yes |
| 05:25:59 | BigBoss | however... |
| 05:26:11 | BigBoss | if you buy the bundle, you don't get the added apps to the bundle for free later |
| 05:26:18 | kaygee | I'm assuming that's Aethera? |
| 05:26:18 | BigBoss | since we raise the price of the bundle as apps are added |
| 05:26:22 | shoe | of course |
| 05:26:23 | BigBoss | kaygee: correct |
| 05:26:38 | kaygee | so open source on the Z as well? |
| 05:27:47 | BigBoss | we'll still sell i |
| 05:27:48 | BigBoss | t |
| 05:27:51 | BigBoss | you can sell open source |
| 05:28:33 | kaygee | yes, I agree, but it will still be OSS, no? |
| 05:28:51 | BigBoss | yes, I doubt we'd change the license |
| 05:29:52 | shoe | does anyone have the digital camera card for the Z? |
| 05:31:12 | BigBoss | i wanna check it out to see if we can do some interface with tkcGallery |
| 05:31:17 | BigBoss | but I don't have one yet |
| 05:31:43 | shoe | $170 is a lot |
| 05:31:48 | BigBoss | well I'm off to bed chilluns. any questions on economics or how to run a company - just let me know :) |
| 05:31:54 | shoe | haha |
| 05:31:54 | bewmIES | lates |
| 05:31:55 | BigBoss | depends on how good a camera it is |
| 05:31:56 | kaygee | will do |
| 05:31:56 | shoe | nite Boss :P |
| 05:32:07 | kaygee | and port epocrates! |
| 05:32:11 | kaygee | :-) |
| 05:34:20 | keith | So any word on an external keyboard? |
| 05:36:28 | bewmIES | For the Zaurus? Sure, install fbvncserver :) |
| 05:37:27 | keith | haha |
| 05:37:41 | keith | I would actually like to see that come with the standard install |
| 05:38:03 | keith | seriously though, I don't think the thumb keyboard will cut it for taking notes for example |
| 05:38:09 | shoe | why would you want an external keyboard? |
| 05:38:44 | shoe | I'm pretty good on the thumb keyboard... working with 2-way pagers forever |
| 05:38:53 | shoe | but the average guy might want a keyboard, I guess |
| 05:39:00 | bewmIES | No PDA is suitable for taking notes IMHO. |
| 05:39:08 | keith | why do you say that? |
| 05:39:09 | bewmIES | That's why I bought my case that has a pad right next to it: for meetings. |
| 05:39:20 | bewmIES | me? |
| 05:39:24 | keith | yeah |
| 05:39:40 | bewmIES | IMHO == In My Humble Opinion. I say it because I'm american and can say whatever i want. :) |
| 05:39:45 | shoe | haha |
| 05:39:59 | keith | works for me (I'm also an American :)) |
| 05:40:22 | bewmIES | reads zaurus-general and holds down the 'D' key |
| 05:40:45 | keith | has anyone had any experience with the vncserver? |
| 05:41:33 | bewmIES | Yes, since version 0.1 :) |
| 05:41:41 | bewmIES | It's the bomb. If you have a Zaurus you want it. |
| 05:42:09 | keith | yeah, I guess that would entail me getting USBEthernet working |
| 05:42:22 | bewmIES | Or a transferring it on via CF. |
| 05:42:33 | bewmIES | What ROM and kernel (on the host machine) are you using? |
| 05:42:46 | keith | I have th 5500 |
| 05:42:56 | keith | I am not sure of the ROM |
| 05:43:04 | bewmIES | Hmm, okay, what host kernel? |
| 05:43:11 | keith | 2.4.18 |
| 05:43:17 | bewmIES | Okay, did you build the usbdnet module? |
| 05:43:21 | keith | yupper |
| 05:43:29 | bewmIES | And you have it loaded? |
| 05:43:36 | keith | yup |
| 05:43:46 | bewmIES | type dmesg -c as root |
| 05:43:51 | bewmIES | Then turn the Zaurus on and put it in the cradle |
| 05:43:53 | bewmIES | Do you see stuff? |
| 05:44:11 | bewmIES | (You'll see a LOT of output, the driver is pretty spammy) |
| 05:44:51 | keith | yes a bunch of stuff |
| 05:45:00 | bewmIES | Okay |
| 05:45:09 | bewmIES | Did you set up Networking on the Zaurus? |
| 05:45:14 | keith | last night I had it almost working |
| 05:45:15 | bewmIES | (define a USB connection with a static IP, etc) |
| 05:45:22 | keith | ok no I didn't do that |
| 05:45:24 | msmax | bewmIES: i use usbnetwork for zaurus with suse 7.1 kernel 2.4.0 and it work good |
| 05:45:31 | shoe | man, I didn't have to do any of that |
| 05:45:44 | bewmIES | Hey, I'm going through how I set it up. YMMV. :) |
| 05:45:54 | shoe | I guess having the client machine be windows helps :P |
| 05:46:17 | bewmIES | Heh, you're sitting here bitching about theKompany's apps not being free and you're running Windows? |
| 05:46:23 | shoe | haha |
| 05:46:28 | shoe | just on this box |
| 05:46:28 | shoe | I know |
| 05:46:30 | shoe | I admit it |
| 05:46:32 | bewmIES | And you bought it? |
| 05:46:37 | shoe | no way |
| 05:46:40 | shoe | work laptop |
| 05:46:51 | shoe | my two other personal machines run linux |
| 05:47:04 | bewmIES | I have never run Windows as primary OS. |
| 05:47:10 | bewmIES | Must suck for you. :) |
| 05:47:12 | shoe | my work requires it |
| 05:47:15 | shoe | windows2000 at least |
| 05:47:20 | shoe | could be worse :\ |
| 05:49:49 | keith | man, last night I was able to ping the Zaurus's ip, but I couldn't use Qtopiadesktop |
| 05:49:58 | keith | today it isn't even showing up as an interface |
| 05:50:09 | bewmIES | With ifconfig -a? |
| 05:50:20 | keith | duh, sorry |
| 05:50:23 | bewmIES | (not plain ifconfig) |
| 05:50:28 | keith | yup usb0 is there |
| 05:50:29 | keith | :) |
| 05:50:31 | bewmIES | If you see it with ifconfig -a then you simply need to configure it on the host machine. |
| 05:50:35 | bewmIES | Want the script I use? |
| 05:50:42 | keith | sure |
| 05:50:46 | bewmIES | My Zaurus is 192.168.1.221 and usb0 on my desktop is 192.168.1.220 |
| 05:51:04 | keith | ok, quick question |
| 05:51:10 | keith | nevermind |
| 05:51:14 | keith | go ahead |
| 05:51:15 | bewmIES | http://ftp.engardelinux.org/pub/engarde/people/ryan/stash/zaurus/usbdnet.txt |
| 05:51:20 | keith | thanks a lot |
| 05:51:37 | bewmIES | Save that on your local box as usbdnet.sh, chmod 700 then execute it whenever you put the Zaurus in the cradle. Change the IP's around as you see fit |
| 05:51:50 | bewmIES | My Zaurus is 192.168.1.221/255.255.255.0, default gw 192.168.1.220 |
| 06:03:07 | keith | bewmIES: I am getting destination unreachable when trying to ping the |
| 06:03:07 | keith | Z |
| 06:04:10 | keith | BTW, it would be nice if QTopia had a "clear desktop" like icon on the taskbar to minimize all the applications running |
| 06:05:50 | bewmIES | Do you have a route to it? |
| 06:06:35 | keith | 192.168.1.221 * 255.255.255.255 UH 0 0 0 usb0 |
| 06:06:46 | keith | ping 192.168.1.221 |
| 06:06:58 | bewmIES | Does the Zaurus have a route to your box? |
| 06:07:31 | keith | I guess you must manullay add it? |
| 06:07:35 | keith | sorry for my ignorance |
| 06:07:48 | bewmIES | Not usually. The Networking app asks you to define a "Gateway" |
| 06:07:53 | keith | yeah I did that |
| 06:07:54 | bewmIES | That should be the IP of usb0 |
| 06:07:58 | keith | yup |
| 06:08:23 | bewmIES | Hmm, I'd say check out the routing table on the Z but the 5500 ROM's don't ship with Terminal, do they? |
| 06:09:57 | keith | ok |
| 06:09:59 | keith | ping works |
| 06:10:06 | keith | redid the network on the Z |
| 06:10:54 | bewmIES | Yeah, it's sketchy somtimes. |
| 06:11:01 | bewmIES | So then you have it working? |
| 06:11:08 | keith | Have you used the Destkop program at all? |
| 06:11:17 | keith | the connection seems to be there |
| 06:11:19 | keith | yes |
| 06:11:27 | bewmIES | Good stuff |
| 06:11:35 | keith | thanks |
| 06:11:39 | bewmIES | Yes, I just told qtopiadesktop to use 192.168.1.221 |
| 06:12:08 | keith | Hot damn |
| 06:12:12 | keith | it works for me as well |
| 06:12:54 | keith | wait it seems to be hanging on the sync though |
| 06:13:18 | keith | getting all types of CRC failures (dmesg) |
| 06:13:29 | bewmIES | Wierd. |
| 06:13:44 | bewmIES | Maybe something else changed with the 5500 ROMs. |
| 06:15:05 | keith | I think it is qtopiadestkop that is killing the link |
| 06:15:46 | bewmIES | How did you launc hit? |
| 06:15:59 | bewmIES | You have to have some environment variables set |
| 06:16:11 | bewmIES | Here is the shell script I use to launch it: |
| 06:16:14 | bewmIES | rwm@ryan:~$ cat bin/qtopiadesktop |
| 06:16:14 | bewmIES | #!/bin/bash |
| 06:16:14 | bewmIES | |
| 06:16:15 | bewmIES | export PALMTOPCENTERDIR=/usr/src/ryan/qtopiadesktop |
| 06:16:15 | bewmIES | export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$PALMTOPCENTERDIR/bin |
| 06:16:15 | bewmIES | export PATH=$PATH:$PALMTOPCENTERDIR/bin |
| 06:16:17 | bewmIES | |
| 06:16:19 | bewmIES | echo "------------------------------" >> /home/rwm/log/qtopiadesktop.log 2>&1 |
| 06:16:21 | bewmIES | $PALMTOPCENTERDIR/bin/qtopiadesktop >> /home/rwm/log/qtopiadesktop.log 2>&1 |
| 06:16:30 | bewmIES | That exports all the variables that it needs then launches it while writing to a log file. |
| 06:17:51 | keith | yeah, I think it might be bringing out the worst in the usbnet driver, the CRC failures seem to pop up during that time |
| 06:17:53 | bewmIES | A quick question. If I'm rolling my own ROM I don't need a kernel, I just need to put the initrd.bin on the CF and it will use the kernel it "has"? |
| 06:18:29 | bewmIES | (IOW, do I need to include a zImage when I flash) |
| 06:19:38 | keith | Well, I am not sure with the Zaurus, but in VR3 land the kernel and romdisk were separate entities |
| 06:20:05 | bewmIES | That's how it looks here too. |
| 06:20:38 | keith | so how long have you had your's? |
| 06:20:47 | bewmIES | Just looked at the doc, it looks like you don't have to. |
| 06:20:51 | bewmIES | late January |
| 06:20:58 | keith | cool |
| 06:21:06 | bewmIES | Got really into it then got really busy at work; getting back into it again. |
| 06:21:25 | keith | I am pretty psyched about this, the VR3 was a bit of a disappointment |
| 06:21:38 | keith | well, discouraging at least |
| 06:21:41 | bewmIES | yeah, I know some people who bought them and said the same thing |
| 06:22:16 | bewmIES | So now that you have networking up install fbvncserver :) |
| 06:22:26 | keith | sounds good |
| 06:22:28 | bewmIES | That is the biggest "must have" application IMHO. |
| 06:22:39 | keith | yeah, I am suprised they aren't installing it by default |
| 06:22:40 | bewmIES | Since Qtopia Desktop sucks you can enter info from your keyboard using it. |
| 06:22:48 | bewmIES | Well it's much younger. |
| 06:23:05 | bewmIES | Development on it only started in mid-February and has since paused for a while since the author got laid off from Lineo :( |
| 06:23:08 | keith | true |
| 06:23:26 | keith | that stink |
| 06:23:27 | keith | s |
| 06:23:32 | bewmIES | yup |
| 06:23:48 | keith | they went through like two rounds of lay offs this year, right? |
| 06:24:04 | bewmIES | afaik yes |
| 06:25:30 | keith | be back in a minute |
| 06:39:07 | keith | http://opensource.lineo.com/fbvncserver/ |
| 06:39:12 | keith | fbvncserver has gone away and nobody knows where it has gone. |
| 06:39:13 | keith | haha |
| 06:42:22 | bewmIES | heh |
| 06:42:35 | bewmIES | The packages are at http://ftp.engardelinux.org/pub/engarde/people/ryan/stash/zaurus |
| 06:42:41 | bewmIES | You want zaurus-fbvncserver_0.1.1_arm.ipk and zlib_1.1.2_arm.ipk |
| 06:42:49 | bewmIES | Follow the install instructions at Sourceforge. |
| 06:42:52 | keith | ok thanks |
| 06:42:54 | bewmIES | np |
| 06:43:06 | bewmIES | Cross your fingers for me, about to flash my first custom ROM :) |
| 06:43:13 | bewmIES | Oh shit, I left my CF reader at home |
| 06:43:19 | bewmIES | Maybe I should wait until tommorrow :) |
| 06:43:23 | bewmIES | says naaaaaaaaaaa |
| 06:46:09 | keith | haha |
| 06:46:13 | keith | go for it |
| 06:47:08 | bewmIES | sits with fingers crossed. |
| 06:49:29 | bewmIES | here goes nothing |
| 06:51:04 | bewmIES | watches the swirlie kick around |
| 06:51:33 | keith | BTW, how do I enable ftp |
| 06:51:40 | keith | it doesn't seem to start by default |
| 06:51:49 | bewmIES | On the 5500 ROMs I have no idea. |
| 06:51:58 | bewmIES | I heard that the ftpd on port 4242 wasn't enabled on those. |
| 06:52:19 | bewmIES | hah |
| 06:52:29 | bewmIES | The tape drive behind me just started rewinding and my head snaps to look at my Z |
| 06:52:37 | bewmIES | (thinking something was going HORRIBLY wrong) |
| 06:52:42 | keith | cool it worked |
| 06:52:49 | bewmIES | Good stuff. |
| 06:52:50 | keith | do I login as root? |
| 06:53:00 | keith | yup |
| 06:53:03 | bewmIES | Yes, root with no password |
| 06:53:10 | keith | where should I put the ipkg? |
| 06:53:16 | bewmIES | /home/root |
| 06:53:25 | bewmIES | Then install it and remove it when you're done |
| 06:53:30 | keith | ok |
| 06:53:35 | bewmIES | cheers the swirlie on |
| 06:53:37 | keith | thanks, I really appreciate all your help |
| 06:53:41 | bewmIES | come on little fella, spin faster |
| 06:53:44 | bewmIES | Hey no problem. |
| 06:54:54 | ][N-Flux | man I'm itchin to flash my Z when we gonna see a new rom |
| 06:55:30 | bewmIES | Jason had said 1.14 out on Monday |
| 06:55:45 | bewmIES | Entering runlevel 5 |
| 06:56:00 | bewmIES | yay! It's booting. |
| 06:56:19 | keith | nice |
| 06:56:29 | bewmIES | Sweet, and it didn't lose any of my addressbook/calender data either |
| 06:56:34 | bewmIES | yumms |
| 06:56:46 | keith | that's strange |
| 06:56:52 | keith | I would think that would be wiped out |
| 06:56:59 | bewmIES | I'm using the SD hack |
| 06:57:11 | bewmIES | hmm |
| 06:57:31 | ][N-Flux | I should try the SD one |
| 06:57:31 | bewmIES | The icons for the apps I removed are still ther eand I removed the .desktop files |
| 06:57:46 | bewmIES | But they aren't launchign :) |
| 06:58:04 | keith | that is wierd |
| 06:58:22 | ][N-Flux | looks at his 32mb sd card |
| 06:58:37 | keith | be back in a minute |
| 06:59:22 | bewmIES | sweet and it didn't lose any networking settings, etc either |
| 07:00:55 | bewmIES | root@localhost:/usr/QtPalmtop.rom/bin# ls -la qtmail |
| 07:00:56 | bewmIES | ls: qtmail: No such file or directory |
| 07:00:56 | bewmIES | root@localhost:/usr/QtPalmtop.rom/bin# ls -la go |
| 07:00:56 | bewmIES | ls: go: No such file or directory |
| 07:00:57 | bewmIES | yay |
| 07:01:04 | bewmIES | Okay, enough of my blabbering. Back to work. |
| 07:03:43 | bewmIES | Wierd. Those icons will not go away |
| 07:04:31 | bewmIES | It doesn't look like it unpacked the .home_default.tar |
| 07:04:44 | bewmIES | Or just unpacked it, that would make sense. |
| 07:05:17 | keith | alright this linux driver (usbdnet) is puking when I do anything other than ping haha |
| 07:05:35 | keith | Iguess I have to use windoze to transfer things |
| 07:05:39 | keith | be back in a bit |
| 07:13:42 | ][N-Flux | hrmmmmm think I'm gonna flash intent and check it out |
| 07:23:09 | keith | VNC is awesome! |
| 07:23:27 | keith | The screen rotation application kicks ass too |
| 07:25:35 | NeoTron | keith: I got that exact issues when I used the "uhci" module. When switching to usb-uhci all problems disappeared. |
| 07:25:48 | NeoTron | lesson: of one of the uhci ones do not work, try the other one. |
| 07:25:52 | NeoTron | and with thag - sleep |
| 07:26:43 | keith | cool |
| 07:31:26 | keith | NeoTron: where or what is the difference between uhci and usb-uhci? |
| 07:31:43 | keith | as far as selecting it in the kernel configuration? |
| 07:32:06 | keith | got it |
| 07:32:09 | keith | nevermind |
| 07:32:52 | keith | think I found it |
| 07:34:42 | ][N-Flux | can you flash from an SD or does it have to be CF? |
| 07:34:50 | keith | anyone use emacs on the Z yet? Or rather uEmacs ? |
| 07:35:00 | keith | I think CF, but I am not sure |
| 07:35:03 | bewmIES | hugs Dunkin' Donuts |
| 07:35:25 | bewmIES | puts on his "I luv vi" t-shirt |
| 07:35:25 | keith | bewmIES: I am jealous ;) |
| 07:35:30 | keith | ewwww |
| 07:35:45 | bewmIES | Don't be, you guys have Wawa's down there. |
| 07:35:52 | bewmIES | I'm the one who is jealous |
| 07:36:03 | keith | true, but it is late and I have class at 11 :( |
| 07:36:17 | keith | impressed, do you know South Jersey? |
| 07:36:27 | bewmIES | I live in northern jersey and I had a gf at Rowan :) |
| 07:36:37 | keith | oh that's right, you said that the other night I believe |
| 07:36:40 | bewmIES | and one of my best friends lives in Collingswood |
| 07:36:43 | bewmIES | nods |
| 07:36:55 | keith | cool |
| 07:37:11 | keith | alright, rebooting trying the other usb driver |
| 07:40:21 | bewmIES | hah |
| 07:40:24 | bewmIES | check out freshmeat |
| 07:40:30 | bewmIES | I love april fool sites |
| 07:42:24 | ][N-Flux | well, my Z is all odne for now :/ |
| 07:42:40 | ][N-Flux | done even |
| 07:43:07 | ][N-Flux | I like the freshmeat color scheme |
| 07:43:33 | keith | to ssh into the Z, do you have to change the root passwd to something other than nothing ;-) |
| 07:43:49 | bewmIES | You ssh in without a password |
| 07:43:52 | bewmIES | ssh root@<zip> |
| 07:44:03 | bewmIES | I usually ssh in using protocol 1, less overhead. |
| 07:44:12 | bewmIES | (ssh -1 if you're using Debian or a recent openssh) |
| 07:45:36 | keith | oops, I forgot I changed the passwd yesterday |
| 07:45:42 | keith | it is getting late :) |
| 07:45:54 | keith | cool, the new USB driver did the trick! |
| 07:46:42 | keith | now, do I risk trying to sync qtopiadesktop (LInux), I have a feeling it is going to blow my calendar away |
| 07:53:33 | keith | bewmIES: was your rom successful? |
| 07:53:56 | bewmIES | yup |
| 07:54:10 | bewmIES | Phase I complete (understanding ;)) |
| 07:54:29 | keith | nice, and QtopiaDestkop works! |
| 07:54:35 | bewmIES | sweet |
| 07:54:35 | keith | (Linux version) |
| 08:05:36 | keith | time to hit the sack |
| 08:05:42 | keith | thanks again for the help |
| 08:05:43 | keith | later |
| 09:39:56 | scanline | is away: standing in the wet room |
| 10:02:44 | scanline | is back (gone 00:22:56) |
| 10:09:11 | Twiun | NeoTron:ping |
| 12:23:09 | fusion94 | feh |
| 12:24:08 | Twiun | afternoon |
| 12:24:35 | fusion94 | i guess so :) |
| 13:27:35 | killefiz | Anybody out there who could test an ipkg-feed for me? |
| 13:42:25 | msmax | killefiz: what you want? |
| 13:42:42 | killefiz | I'd like to know if my feed http://killefiz.dyndns.org/zfeed works |
| 13:43:03 | killefiz | for others than me |
| 13:43:24 | msmax | wrong url |
| 13:43:47 | msmax | in any case, you send it to me |
| 13:45:01 | killefiz | Hmm ... can you access the url with a browser? |
| 13:45:10 | msmax | no |
| 13:45:18 | msmax | Mozila and konquerror cannot open it |
| 13:45:42 | killefiz | whap ip do you get for killefiz.dyndns.org? |
| 13:46:11 | msmax | error like "gateway.killefiz.de could not be found" |
| 13:46:24 | killefiz | i'll move it to a static ip |
| 13:46:52 | msmax | 80.133.135.68 |
| 13:47:07 | msmax | ping work |
| 13:47:20 | killefiz | yeah ... wrong hostname in apache conf |
| 13:47:40 | msmax | lets say it as first bug ;) |
| 13:47:44 | killefiz | could you try http://killefiz.de/zfeed |
| 13:48:01 | msmax | yes |
| 13:48:17 | killefiz | yes as in "does work" or yes as in "can try"? |
| 13:48:29 | msmax | ;) |
| 13:48:36 | msmax | does work, with brouser |
| 13:48:51 | killefiz | that's the easy part ;) |
| 13:48:59 | msmax | what next? |
| 13:49:08 | killefiz | z? |
| 13:49:50 | msmax | open it in z qipkg? |
| 13:50:20 | killefiz | yes that would be interesting |
| 13:50:45 | msmax | ok, wait then 5 minut, i need reboot |
| 13:50:58 | killefiz | no need to hurry ... thanks |
| 13:57:06 | msdina | killefiz: like all work great, i install screenshotapplet |
| 13:59:11 | msdina | killefiz: "ipkks says something wrong. Sorry" at the end ;( |
| 14:00:11 | scanline | is away: pseudo-foodlike-thingies |
| 14:00:32 | tux_mike | i'm gonna kill my isp |
| 14:00:52 | catalin | why ? :) |
| 14:18:26 | scanline | is back (gone 00:18:15) |
| 14:28:39 | Twiun | Anyone read catalin's site lately? http://www.climov.com/zaurus/ |
| 14:31:03 | killefiz | sick |
| 14:31:39 | Twiun | I hope it's only an april fool's joke, otherwise it's really disgusting |
| 14:33:15 | Aelix | Morning everyone... I hate this day. |
| 14:33:32 | fusion94 | whys that ? |
| 14:33:35 | Aelix | April 1st |
| 14:33:52 | Jonmann | I haven't seen anything bad so far, the OpenBSD news was the best so far. :) |
| 14:33:55 | Aelix | All of the geek news sites get annoying. Slashdot will be more useless than usual. |
| 14:34:02 | Twiun | Heh |
| 14:34:11 | Aelix | openbsd news? |
| 14:34:24 | Jonmann | Slashdot had a cool story today: 'do programming languages affect sexual performance'. ;) |
| 14:34:53 | Jonmann | Aelix, http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=openbsd-announce&m=101763309005837&w=2 |
| 14:35:29 | Aelix | lol |
| 14:36:04 | killefiz | Seems to be microsoft year ... freshmeat migrating to dot net ... |
| 14:36:39 | Jonmann | That's a good one. ;) |
| 14:36:54 | Aelix | This Zaurus with wireless is dangerous :) I went to a local 12-plex, and for shits and grins tried to get a wireless connection.. and lo and behold it connected. Got a 192.168 address.. could ping some hosts but no outside access. Oh well. :) |
| 14:38:08 | Jonmann | A Zaurus with WLAN could actually be dangerous. Remember the article 'Drive-by cracking' on Linuxworld a couple of months ago? |
| 14:38:45 | Jonmann | (I think it was Linuxworld) |
| 14:39:14 | Aelix | Wish there was netstumbler for the Z |
| 14:39:28 | killefiz | What does netstumbler do? |
| 14:39:48 | Aelix | very quickly finds wireless points you are near |
| 14:39:57 | killefiz | can it be ported? |
| 14:40:12 | Aelix | no source I don't think |
| 14:40:16 | Aelix | Just windows and Pocket PC versions |
| 14:41:07 | Aelix | It will list all the AP you are near, not just the one you are connected to |
| 15:13:46 | NetAmp | just mowed his lawn and hated it ;) |
| 15:14:02 | NetAmp | I think I'll get an electric lawnmower and hook a Z to it :P |
| 15:14:13 | warmi | hi |
| 15:14:16 | NetAmp | hiya warmi |
| 15:14:26 | killefiz | NetAmp: May I suggest getting a Z first ;) |
| 15:14:27 | NetAmp | do you have such nice weather too? |
| 15:14:37 | NetAmp | killefiz: yeah... hahaha :D |
| 15:14:51 | NetAmp | killefiz: then I'll see if I can afford the lawnmower, heh |
| 15:15:16 | NetAmp | (actually that'd be stupid, it's an itsy bitsy small garden) |
| 15:15:58 | NetAmp | anyway, I haven't seen the bigtime advertisements I'm waiting for |
| 15:16:00 | NetAmp | come on Sharp! |
| 15:16:31 | NetAmp | I'd expect they make it hit the market like a nuke |
| 15:17:04 | NetAmp | (and totally wipe PocketPC off the face of the planet :P) |
| 15:19:05 | NetAmp | The penguin shall prevail! |
| 15:19:07 | warmi | NeAmp: nice weather ? |
| 15:19:22 | NetAmp | warmi: yeah it's real sunny here in our small country |
| 15:19:29 | warmi | yeah, it is too sunny |
| 15:19:35 | NetAmp | ow I gotta go eat dinner, be back later! |
| 15:19:48 | warmi | makes it hard to see stuff on my monitor |
| 15:19:52 | NetAmp|dinner | heh |
| 15:19:55 | NetAmp|dinner | afk |
| 15:29:30 | ljp_work | hey, I actually synced with linux! |
| 15:30:02 | Aelix | msdina: tkcJabber? |
| 15:32:04 | msdina | hmm |
| 15:32:16 | msdina | Aelix: what you mean? |
| 15:32:27 | Aelix | You said IRC and groupchat works in Jabber |
| 15:32:35 | Aelix | Do you mean in tkcJabber |
| 15:32:49 | msdina | yes |
| 15:32:52 | Aelix | excellent! |
| 15:33:01 | Aelix | When will it be available? |
| 15:33:20 | msdina | wait... |
| 15:36:55 | BigBoss | hey Aelix - you have jabber needs? |
| 15:37:05 | Aelix | Yeah I just heard there was an update |
| 15:37:18 | BigBoss | yep |
| 15:37:24 | BigBoss | did you buy from us or handandgo? |
| 15:37:28 | Aelix | From you |
| 15:38:07 | BigBoss | ok, then just go to our site and login, select Products then Download Basket |
| 15:38:18 | BigBoss | enter your user id and pass and you should have a list of available software |
| 15:38:24 | Aelix | runs to thekompany.com |
| 15:40:26 | killefiz | Is there anything like this: http://linkesoft.com/english/automobil/ for the Zaurus? |
| 15:41:45 | Aelix | BigBoss.. I only see 1.5.0-3 |
| 15:42:24 | BigBoss | I didn't change the version |
| 15:42:29 | BigBoss | get both files |
| 15:42:34 | Aelix | ahh |
| 15:42:35 | Aelix | ok |
| 15:42:36 | BigBoss | uninstall what is on your Z (stupid ipkg) |
| 15:42:40 | Aelix | ok |
| 15:43:08 | Aelix | Why didn't the version # change? |
| 15:43:28 | msdina | Aelix: you are right, my mistake |
| 15:45:53 | BigBoss | this is better http://linkesoft.com/english/femdays/ |
| 15:45:57 | kergoth | re |
| 15:46:06 | killefiz | ;) |
| 15:46:31 | roge99 | hello all |
| 15:46:47 | killefiz | so you'll do a version of femdays? |
| 15:46:48 | BigBoss | hey roge |
| 15:46:54 | BigBoss | hell no :) |
| 15:47:33 | ljp_work | that needs to work automagically... |
| 15:47:59 | killefiz | hmm ... tkcFemDays for all female zaurus users |
| 15:48:43 | catalin | you guys are sick |
| 15:48:54 | ljp_work | no.. they should also make one for the males that auto syncs with that app.. with words on Calender: BEWARE! |
| 15:49:44 | bipolar | Does anyone know if the qte on the zaurus is compiled with jpeg support? |
| 15:51:19 | BigBoss | ljp: now that would be useful |
| 15:51:23 | BigBoss | I hope there are no women in here :) |
| 15:51:40 | bipolar | lol |
| 15:51:41 | catalin | bipolar: there's a libjpeg6.so on my Z and libqte seems to have a dependency on it |
| 15:51:42 | killefiz | From the website: Please note that FemDays does in no way tell you when you might get pregnant and when not. |
| 15:54:23 | Aelix | Groupchat works great |
| 15:54:30 | killefiz | Any suggestions wether using kdevelop for qtopia applications is a good idea? |
| 15:55:03 | Aelix | But IRC still won't connect to irc.openprojects.net |
| 15:55:46 | bipolar | catalin: Ok. That explains how it gets jpeg support. We'll need to rebuild qte for opie to include system jpeg support. |
| 15:56:31 | BigBoss | aelix: max just did it yesterday |
| 15:56:47 | catalin | bipolar: if you check my kpacman .pro file you will notice I'm linking the binary against both libqpe and libjpeg |
| 15:57:06 | BigBoss | aelix: I saw him in here with it several times |
| 15:57:23 | catalin | bipolar: that's because I'm using libraries downloaded directly from my Z in my dev environment |
| 15:57:28 | Aelix | hrmm |
| 15:57:31 | msdina | Aelix: wait 1 min |
| 15:57:32 | [trebb] | killefiz: I for one find kdevelop very convenient for qtopia development |
| 15:58:05 | killefiz | trebb: Do I need the cvs-version for arm/qtopia-support? |
| 15:58:54 | [trebb] | killefiz: yes, at least some weeks ago when I installed. but everything was quite straight forward. |
| 15:59:16 | killefiz | ok. i'll give it a try then |
| 15:59:23 | warmi | trebb: does it have its own debugger now ? |
| 15:59:45 | Guest77k | aelex: it work from my z |
| 15:59:57 | [trebb] | warmi: yes, nice little debugger included. |
| 16:00:31 | msdina | *** Guest77k is ~Guest77k@209.155.138.67 (tkcJabber@valentine.thekompany.com) |
| 16:00:31 | msdina | *** on channels: #zaurus |
| 16:00:31 | msdina | *** on irc via server irc.openprojects.net (http://www.openprojects.net/) |
| 16:00:31 | msdina | *** Guest77k has been idle 25 seconds, signed on at Mon Apr 01 20:02:08 2002 |
| 16:00:37 | Aelix | Hrmm.. I have irc.openprojects for server, and #Zaurus for the channel |
| 16:00:51 | Aelix | irc.openprojects.net I mean |
| 16:00:55 | msdina | irc.openprojects.net ? *.net* |
| 16:01:09 | msdina | you have any error messages? |
| 16:01:20 | Aelix | "server connect failed" immediately |
| 16:01:29 | msdina | you connect to our server? valentine.thekomapny.com ? |
| 16:01:59 | msdina | i mean you login from our server? |
| 16:02:19 | Aelix | no |
| 16:02:46 | msdina | if you use another jabber server ( not valentine.thekompany.com), then irc-transport cannot work |
| 16:02:58 | msdina | all another servers have broken irc-transport |
| 16:03:08 | msdina | and i cannot update transport for all servers ;) |
| 16:03:11 | Aelix | how is IRC connected to jabber? |
| 16:03:28 | BigBoss | it's a transport |
| 16:03:31 | msdina | jabber has transport, it server side library.... |
| 16:03:34 | Aelix | ohhh |
| 16:03:35 | BigBoss | the one in jabber is broken |
| 16:03:42 | Aelix | so the IRC support is like the ICQ transport |
| 16:03:43 | BigBoss | max has done some fixes to the one we are running |
| 16:03:49 | msdina | we setup our jabber server, and fix irc transport on it |
| 16:03:52 | BigBoss | we are testing it out then we'll submit the patches back to jabber |
| 16:03:59 | Aelix | ok |
| 16:04:01 | BigBoss | aelix: exactly |
| 16:04:10 | Aelix | I didn't know it went through jabber |
| 16:04:23 | msdina | we must ask all jabber server adims for update it, but i don't think what they wont do it |
| 16:05:08 | Aelix | Do you have a patch/diff for the source |
| 16:05:13 | Aelix | of jabber server? |
| 16:05:16 | Aelix | So we can get it working here? |
| 16:05:20 | [trebb] | killefiz: when you have installed kdevelop, make sure to look at the online help. It has a small section about setting up for Qtopia development. |
| 16:05:27 | msdina | Aelix: but if you have owned jabber server we can send irc transport for you can install it on your jabber server |
| 16:05:44 | Aelix | yeah that would work.. we use our own server |
| 16:06:01 | killefiz | [trebb]: Does I need to apply any configure-parameters? |
| 16:06:01 | msdina | great, then i send it today for you by email |
| 16:06:08 | Aelix | cool |
| 16:06:11 | msdina | Aelix: what your email? ;) |
| 16:06:51 | [trebb] | killefiz: to build kdevelop? I dont think so... |
| 16:51:10 | warmi | hah .. have you guys seen that http://www.linuxassembly.org/ ?? |
| 16:52:58 | NetAmp | NOOOOOOOOOOOOO |
| 16:53:00 | NetAmp | hell no! |
| 16:53:09 | NetAmp | C# is 3V1L! |
| 16:53:50 | killefiz | ;) |
| 16:53:52 | warmi | hah |
| 16:54:10 | warmi | for a moment I got scared there |
| 16:54:13 | NetAmp | gah... do dot n n net sdk?! |
| 16:54:20 | NetAmp | yeah me too |
| 16:54:33 | NetAmp | jeesh |
| 16:54:48 | fusion94 | C# will own your fr0...it' inevietable |
| 16:55:08 | BigBoss | my employees got me real good this morning with an april fools joke |
| 16:55:19 | warmi | ? |
| 16:55:20 | fusion94 | they change the lcoks ? |
| 16:55:25 | fusion94 | locks even |
| 16:55:29 | NetAmp | fusion94: ok let's port C# to the Z then |
| 16:55:34 | NetAmp | :P |
| 16:55:36 | fusion94 | right on |
| 17:00:21 | NetAmp | oh man, assembly makes my head hurt |
| 17:01:10 | NetAmp | mov myhome, zaurus ;this'd be nice :P |
| 17:01:20 | warmi | well, I just need it for couple of my blitters |
| 17:01:42 | warmi | trying to figure out gcc calling conventions for externam asm functions |
| 17:02:02 | NeoTron | morning |
| 17:02:04 | NetAmp | bookmarks for rainy sunday-afternoons |
| 17:02:16 | NetAmp | NeoTron: g'day :) |
| 17:05:03 | BigBoss | assembly is like mothers milk |
| 17:05:12 | NetAmp | mov reg, cash_amount jnz store |
| 17:05:14 | BigBoss | I remember doing it on punched cards on an ibm 4341 many moons ago |
| 17:05:27 | fusion94 | BigBoss: no....guinness IS mother's milk |
| 17:05:30 | BigBoss | I liked it a lot better than RPG II at the time |
| 17:05:37 | BigBoss | fusion: I have to agree with you there :) |
| 17:05:43 | NetAmp | BigBoss: heh ;) |
| 17:05:45 | fusion94 | everything else is just a cheap substitute |
| 17:05:49 | fusion94 | hrm.... |
| 17:06:00 | warmi | well, my experience with it doesn't go that far .... started with Z-80 and 6502 ASM in 1987 or so |
| 17:06:04 | fusion94 | wonders if it's too early to go pour a pint |
| 17:06:36 | BigBoss | depends on your timezone :) |
| 17:06:46 | NetAmp | hm I believe I started with TI Basic on a Texas Instruments 99/4A ;) |
| 17:06:48 | roge99 | fusion94: its *never* too early to pour a pint |
| 17:06:49 | ljp_work | only if its too cold from the nights cool air |
| 17:06:51 | warmi | hah, fusions every mother offers different milk.. |
| 17:06:57 | BigBoss | Youngs Oatmeal Stout and Murphys Stout are also very good |
| 17:07:08 | fusion94 | BigBoss: i'm just 6 hours north of you |
| 17:07:15 | warmi | for me ,it wasn't guiness :-) |
| 17:08:17 | BigBoss | you're in silicon valley? then it's too early :) |
| 17:08:32 | roge99 | guinness .... the breakfast of champions |
| 17:08:57 | NeoTron | and with that, I will head to work |
| 17:09:02 | fusion94 | BigBoss: yeah but i worked all night long |
| 17:09:06 | NeoTron | is away: work |
| 17:10:52 | BigBoss | so it's really evening for you then - so crack one :) |
| 17:11:00 | BigBoss | boy, those draught flow cans were a god send |
| 17:11:14 | BigBoss | I think I first saw them with Boddingtons (which I also love for a lighter beer) |
| 17:12:33 | ljp_work | I drink Coors light. |
| 17:12:38 | fusion94 | um |
| 17:12:42 | fusion94 | thats not beer |
| 17:12:48 | ljp_work | cant get any better than that |
| 17:12:49 | roge99 | pee in a can |
| 17:13:08 | fusion94 | roge99: i wouldn't insult pee that way |
| 17:13:12 | roge99 | lol |
| 17:13:57 | ljp_work | or braumeister or meisterbrau |
| 17:14:04 | ljp_work | :D |
| 17:15:08 | BigBoss | I have a funny story about coors light |
| 17:15:19 | BigBoss | a british pub I use to frequent had a man come in and ask for CL |
| 17:15:31 | BigBoss | the bartender, also british, put it in a tea cup for him :) |
| 17:15:37 | ljp_work | hehehe |
| 17:16:15 | BigBoss | an old britsh joke "How is american beer like making love in a canoe" |
| 17:16:18 | BigBoss | fucking close to water |
| 17:17:20 | ljp_work | heh I cant stand beer. I'ms a rum drinker |
| 17:17:43 | BigBoss | of course you can't stand beer - you drink coors light - try a beer with flavor |
| 17:18:25 | fusion94 | lol |
| 17:18:59 | ljp_work | heheheh |
| 17:19:24 | ljp_work | I said that cause I live too close to Coors brewery |
| 17:20:09 | ljp_work | coors does have flavor .. if you let it boil down alot |
| 17:23:08 | ljp_work | I heard Sharp is dropping the price of the 5500 to $349.. |
| 17:23:31 | BigBoss | yea, I wish |
| 17:23:36 | fusion94 | only for next years JavaOne |
| 17:23:59 | ljp_work | and also giving away free digital cameras |
| 17:24:44 | fusion94 | oh, dont forget the reach-arounds that handago is giving away :P |
| 17:24:47 | ljp_work | and a years AOL account |
| 17:25:26 | killefiz | Best thing is that it will come with a free CF Wireless card and 128 MB SD-Card |
| 17:25:56 | ljp_work | and the next zaurus line will have upgradable ram |
| 17:27:39 | BigBoss | sounds like heaven :) |
| 17:28:09 | ljp_work | don't forget about the 1 gHz processor |
| 17:28:18 | killefiz | First of April, Heaven, what's the difference? |
| 17:28:29 | fusion94 | ljp_work: no, it's an itanium processor |
| 17:28:33 | ljp_work | ahhhh ok |
| 17:28:46 | roge99 | looks like ljp_work has been drinkn too much "boiled down coors light" |
| 17:28:55 | ljp_work | hehehehe |
| 17:29:05 | fusion94 | is away: downloading porn and stuff |
| 17:29:38 | ljp_work | I also heard Sharp is going to remove the browser check from its web site |
| 17:30:13 | fusion94 | all the other was believable until that statement |
| 17:30:27 | roge99 | haaa http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/cn/20020401/tc_cn/high_profile_anti_unix_site_runs_unix&cid=70 |
| 17:30:40 | roge99 | lol |
| 17:40:58 | scanline | laughs at today's User Friendly |
| 17:46:04 | scanline | is away: class |
| 17:46:12 | NetAmp | lolz |
| 17:50:02 | NetAmp | sad, how sad |
| 17:50:03 | NetAmp | M$ propaganda |
| 17:55:10 | BigBoss | l |
| 17:55:28 | fusion94 | m |
| 17:56:03 | NetAmp | www.wehavethewayout.com |
| 17:56:03 | NetAmp | Rapidsite/Apa-1.3.14 (Unix) FrontPage/4.0.4.3 mod_ssl/2.7.1 OpenSSL/0.9.5a |
| 17:56:29 | NetAmp | Apache + FP Ex... precompiled stuff |
| 17:56:30 | NetAmp | jeesh |
| 17:56:32 | NetAmp | how LAME |
| 17:56:34 | Aelix | Are MMC cards OK to use instead of SD? |
| 17:57:09 | BigBoss | yes |
| 17:58:21 | Aelix | hrmm they don't go to 128MB though looks like |
| 18:10:16 | bipolar | is anyone here using a d-link wireless CF card with a Zaurus? |
| 18:13:19 | Aelix | I'm using an SMC... |
| 18:14:10 | bipolar | Aelix: did you have to configure anything? I can't seem to pull an address vis DHCP |
| 18:15:50 | whardier | I am gonna get a Libretto L3! |
| 18:15:55 | whardier | does the happy dance |
| 18:16:29 | Aelix | bipolar.. I had to add a LAN device in network |
| 18:17:00 | Aelix | in network/sync add LAN - TCP/IP device |
| 18:17:37 | bipolar | Aelix: yeah. i did that. |
| 18:17:55 | bipolar | Aelix: i ran the wireless cobfig and now it's working. |
| 18:18:08 | Aelix | yeah you have to do that to request a new IP |
| 18:18:25 | Aelix | Every time I get to a new AP I have to go to wireless and just hit ok |
| 18:18:27 | Aelix | kinda annoying |
| 18:19:07 | bipolar | has wireless slashdot... |
| 18:19:11 | Aelix | It is possible to sync over the wireless? does anyone know? |
| 18:19:19 | Aelix | It just has USB and serial listed |
| 18:19:45 | Aelix | even my palm could do that :) |
| 18:19:46 | bipolar | should be. |
| 18:21:16 | bipolar | hmmmm... Opera cant do transparent png's... |
| 18:27:30 | Twiun | that blows |
| 18:36:46 | tux_mike | i hope it's up for good... |
| 18:38:12 | NetAmp | neither can M$ IE ;) |
| 18:38:19 | NetAmp | (transparent PNG) |
| 18:38:53 | ljp_work | I heard mozilla was purchased by MICROS~1 |
| 18:39:21 | tux_mike | where did you hear that? |
| 18:39:30 | ljp_work | hehehhe |
| 18:39:37 | NetAmp | ljp_work: that would be really wrong ;-) |
| 18:39:39 | tux_mike | i don't think that'd happen |
| 18:39:45 | ljp_work | the voice in my head- April fools.. |
| 18:40:34 | ljp_work | I did just see a Zaurus ad on cnet news site.. |
| 18:40:37 | tux_mike | needs to load graphpad and drawpad onto his Z for school |
| 18:40:47 | tux_mike | ljp_work: schweet! :) |
| 18:41:00 | tux_mike | i wonder if they are gonna have any tv ads |
| 18:41:07 | Aelix | The Zaurus thread on slashdot was disappointing.. everyone complained about the web site blocking non MS browsers |
| 18:41:39 | NetAmp | Aelix: yeah :( |
| 18:41:46 | tux_mike | Aelix: konq works fine with default UA settings |
| 18:41:48 | NetAmp | but CNET's very positive :) |
| 18:41:51 | ljp_work | isnt that what they ever cmplain about? |
| 18:42:07 | tux_mike | but /. has to complain about *something* |
| 18:44:52 | NetAmp | All your Z are belong to us |
| 18:45:27 | tux_mike | holy shit... linus is thinking about stepping down as head of kernel |
| 18:45:36 | Aelix | hates this day |
| 18:45:41 | tux_mike | and he's on his last day at trasmeta |
| 18:45:43 | NetAmp | yeah it sucks |
| 18:46:43 | NetAmp | Hey, maybe we can get linus to port games for Z :P |
| 18:47:13 | catalin | NetAmp: yeah, sure |
| 18:47:46 | warmi | NetAmp: you have CNET link handy ? |
| 18:47:56 | tux_mike | unless this is his idea of a april fool's joke (but this truly does sound like linus in the kdev-ml message) |
| 18:48:05 | NetAmp | warmi: http://computers.cnet.com/hardware/0-2709830-404-8407129.html |
| 18:48:28 | warmi | thanks |
| 18:48:34 | ljp_work | no. I'm really looking at the ad right now |
| 18:48:54 | ljp_work | oh heh |
| 18:49:45 | Twiun | catalin: any word from Sharp/TT about the news on your website? |
| 18:49:50 | NetAmp | do you see those prices at CNET? $462.95 |
| 18:50:38 | warmi | NetAmp: yeah, but they don't have it in stock |
| 18:50:44 | NetAmp | warmi: no :( |
| 18:50:54 | Aelix | Amazon says Mid april |
| 18:51:01 | catalin | Twiun: nope. I don't know if they're even aware of my web site :( |
| 18:51:37 | killefiz | catalin: So that's no april fools joke? |
| 18:51:41 | Twiun | catalin: Best thing would be to whisper in BB's and Jason's ear - failing that give a good shout on the mailing list |
| 18:51:54 | ljp_work | funny.. theres an ad for palm m515 on the user opions page for cnet zaurus |
| 18:52:13 | warmi | holly shit catalin |
| 18:52:21 | warmi | just read it on your site |
| 18:52:48 | Neo|Work | url? |
| 18:52:49 | catalin | I don't want to get BB or tkc involved in this crap. |
| 18:53:01 | warmi | http://www.climov.com/zaurus/ |
| 18:53:14 | Twiun | Then just Jason, I guess |
| 18:53:28 | warmi | this stuff should be post as a story on /. |
| 18:53:51 | Twiun | cat's call really |
| 18:53:56 | | JasonNJ was last seen on #zaurus 1 days, 1 hours, 34 minutes and 43 seconds ago, saying: our post java1 meeting [Sun Mar 31 18:19:13 2002] |
| 18:53:56 | catalin | ibot: seen JasonNJ |
| 18:54:08 | | JHPerlow was last seen on #zaurus 10 days, 4 hours, 8 minutes and 30 seconds ago, saying: baldrick: do you have a cunning plan [Fri Mar 22 14:45:38 2002] |
| 18:54:08 | catalin | ibot: seen JHPerlow |
| 18:54:14 | catalin | great |
| 18:54:41 | Neo|Work | Considering the software, it must obviously be Palm... |
| 18:54:51 | Neo|Work | and they have no right to do it. Contact FSF / RMS |
| 18:54:56 | Neo|Work | GPL is GPL is GPL |
| 18:55:04 | warmi | I wonder how the hell they can forbid you from discloing name of the company |
| 18:55:10 | | JasonNJ is "Jason Perlow" <mailto:perlow@hotmail.com> |
| 18:55:10 | NetAmp | ibot: JasonNJ |
| 18:55:17 | Neo|Work | Reall, do contact FSF - they will fight for the GPL |
| 18:55:37 | catalin | they can, with a "this email is confidential"-type signature |
| 18:55:38 | Twiun | In this case, they were probably unprepared to have a "Palm in a Zaurus" kind of thing ;-) |
| 18:56:00 | Twiun | talk about reducing Palm to a software-only company |
| 18:56:36 | warmi | well, they don't challenge GPL just try to blackmail his site out of existence |
| 18:56:53 | Aelix | hey catalalin your alpha clock .ipk link is busted |
| 18:57:02 | Aelix | s/catalalin/catalin/ |
| 18:57:05 | Aelix | :) |
| 18:57:07 | tux_mike | /me puts a comment on the Cnet web site |
| 18:57:28 | ljp_work | heh: "notorious source of warez and pirated software" |
| 18:57:45 | Kopsis | Palm's actions aren't surprising ... they've done the *exact* same thing with PalmOS emulators for PocketPC. |
| 18:58:02 | catalin | Aelix: hmm, let me check it |
| 18:58:06 | warmi | well, it does kill their business |
| 18:58:20 | Twiun | I suppose they're just "staying-in-the-groove" it stinks |
| 18:58:34 | catalin | guys, take it easy with Palm. I didn't say it was them |
| 18:59:07 | Kopsis | catalin: If it wasn't, it's only a matter of time before it would be ;) |
| 18:59:09 | Twiun | we know, we know... it's a shame to let this die though |
| 18:59:20 | Twiun | All the hard work |
| 18:59:44 | Neo|Work | catalin: I'm sending a mail to RMS btw |
| 18:59:52 | ljp_work | since when is kpacman warez.. heh |
| 18:59:55 | Twiun | And Jason _was_ very much for the emu |
| 19:00:03 | NetAmp | Let's move the site to an underground network *muhaha* |
| 19:00:05 | catalin | I'll just move qPose to another web site |
| 19:00:06 | tux_mike | catalin: this sucks, a lot. |
| 19:00:13 | tux_mike | catalin: pose is under gpl, right? |
| 19:00:28 | Twiun | Anyone have a site in tonga? |
| 19:00:29 | catalin | tux_mike: yes |
| 19:00:45 | tux_mike | catalin: we'll get this taken care of. |
| 19:01:52 | Neo|Work | catalin: well, I send RMS a letter. Since <company> is trying to add additional limitations on the GPL software, RMS should be well... upset |
| 19:02:09 | NetAmp | yeah we're not getting messed with by big companies :S |
| 19:02:35 | NetAmp | Neo|Work: won't RMS burst in flames when he sees it? ;-) |
| 19:02:38 | Neo|Work | catalin: no one can legally stop you from doing a port, as long as you don't distribute ROM images and such. Also, I'm not sure about the themes - perhaps those are not under some free license |
| 19:02:56 | catalin | the theme is my own |
| 19:03:00 | Neo|Work | NetAmp: for a while, I'm sure. :) He might be fanatic, but he's definitely a "good guy" when it comes to this |
| 19:03:06 | Twiun | And in this case, rom images are freely available from palm on their developer site anyway |
| 19:03:29 | Twiun | (obviously after click-agreement) |
| 19:03:30 | Neo|Work | Twiun: not quite - you can not distibute them |
| 19:03:30 | catalin | and I *do* own a m505 and a m100 (therefore I can legally use the respective ROM images) |
| 19:03:54 | Neo|Work | and if you're international you need to go through quite a few steps |
| 19:03:57 | Twiun | Neo|Work: freely+quasi-signed-agreement |
| 19:04:17 | Neo|Work | catalin: YOU can do whatever, but you cant _distibute_ the rom, images. Which, of course, you do not |
| 19:04:18 | Twiun | I know the non-redistributable stuff... people can just download their own |
| 19:04:39 | NetAmp | I wonder if Mr. Gates bought a Z yet ;-) |
| 19:04:43 | Twiun | rofl |
| 19:04:52 | Neo|Work | Twiun: right. Not hard to get the ROM |
| 19:05:08 | catalin | Aelix: the alpha clock download is fixed now. |
| 19:05:27 | warmi | catalin: do you have your stuff backed up ? |
| 19:05:59 | Aelix | catalin: you need to set your .ipk mimetype to gzip or something :) |
| 19:06:31 | catalin | warmi: yes. that was the first thing I did today. |
| 19:07:17 | catalin | Aelix: I can't control the apache config. The site is hosted at my ISP |
| 19:07:41 | Aelix | doh |
| 19:07:55 | ljp_work | catalin: is that an april fools joke? |
| 19:08:29 | catalin | ljp: does it look like ? |
| 19:08:55 | ljp_work | no.. but it might be.... just checking |
| 19:09:00 | warmi | hah, I forgot about that one :-) |
| 19:09:11 | Aelix | catalin: alphaclock is really nifty |
| 19:09:12 | whardier | http://www.dynamism.com/gt3/index.shtml <- drool |
| 19:09:12 | whardier | http://www.dynamism.com/gt3/index.shtml <- drool |
| 19:09:13 | whardier | http://www.dynamism.com/gt3/index.shtml <- drool |
| 19:09:50 | ljp_work | that's odd whardier |
| 19:10:00 | Aelix | that is really strange |
| 19:10:28 | NetAmp | whardier: cool :) |
| 19:11:12 | tux_mike | i'm gonna talk to some friends of mine, and then consult with my ISP (Speakeasy) They owe me... :) You are doing NOTHING illegal. |
| 19:11:13 | tux_mike | I'm going to see if Speakeasy will stand up for your rights. |
| 19:12:08 | warmi | huh .... with this being April 1st I am still not sure if catalin is not making fun of us here .. |
| 19:12:14 | warmi | heh |
| 19:12:32 | Neo|Work | well if he is, it's a rather dumb joke |
| 19:13:01 | catalin | neo: well, thank you, that sounds incouraging |
| 19:13:05 | warmi | well, one thing that seems strange is that he is refusing to name company responsible for this letter |
| 19:13:05 | catalin | ;( |
| 19:13:45 | warmi | I never heard of this kind of " confidential" cease and desist letter |
| 19:14:49 | Neo|Work | catalin: if it's a joke, it's REALLY stupid and should be stopped right here. |
| 19:15:05 | Neo|Work | catalin: but if it's not, it's of course outrageous etc |
| 19:15:35 | catalin | neo: puhlease, I had enough threatenings for this week |
| 19:15:35 | warmi | Neo|Work: well, jokes are stupid by definition |
| 19:15:37 | warmi | lol |
| 19:17:52 | warmi | I found a little text titled "Mixing ARM and/or Thumb Assembly Code with C when using GCC" |
| 19:17:55 | Neo|Work | catalin: what is your problem? I'm trying to help you and if it's not serious, that'll end up bad. I don't believe it's a joke, but if it is, really, don't. |
| 19:18:00 | warmi | I don't have a URL for this anymore ... |
| 19:18:07 | warmi | but if you want I can email it to you |
| 19:18:24 | warmi | that's for Neo |
| 19:18:45 | warmi | Neo|Work: I am pretty sure it is joke |
| 19:19:01 | warmi | that's why he was refusing to give out company name |
| 19:19:17 | Neo|Work | well if so, I find it not funny. :P |
| 19:19:24 | Neo|Work | and it's a pity |
| 19:19:30 | warmi | I know |
| 19:19:58 | warmi | I actually believed it until ljp reminded me what date is today |
| 19:20:31 | Neo|Work | I knew what date it is |
| 19:21:04 | Neo|Work | [catalin] (~xxl@april.climov.com) |
| 19:21:13 | Neo|Work | so I suppose it's all a joke |
| 19:21:28 | NetAmp | warmi: http://www.climov.com/zaurus/ |
| 19:21:37 | warmi | ?? NetAmp ? |
| 19:21:49 | Twiun | NeoTron: Mind you, the april domain name has been like that for some time |
| 19:22:00 | Twiun | I'm unsure it was made just for today |
| 19:22:07 | NetAmp | warmi: ow sorry you said you didn't have the URL, but ofcourse you meant another ;-) |
| 19:22:17 | Neo|Work | the countdown time would seem to reflect time till midnight where he is or so |
| 19:22:17 | NetAmp | 's just not totally awake |
| 19:22:21 | warmi | yeah, I meant something else |
| 19:22:37 | BigBoss | geeze |
| 19:22:40 | BigBoss | damn isp today |
| 19:22:45 | Twiun | Oh well... give it a couple of days and see |
| 19:23:01 | Neo|Work | warmi: I think I saw such a url in regards to GameBoy advance programming |
| 19:23:01 | warmi | BB: catalin scared the hell out of us with that "cease and desist" thing ... |
| 19:23:13 | warmi | Neo|Work: that is precisely where I pulled it from |
| 19:23:15 | warmi | :-) |
| 19:23:26 | BigBoss | so that cat is out of the bag now? |
| 19:23:36 | warmi | CPU is not exactly the same but conventions and everything is the same |
| 19:23:41 | warmi | BB: yep |
| 19:23:49 | Neo|Work | I find it unamusingly non-funny to be honest... |
| 19:24:35 | Neo|Work | warmi: I believe I got most questions answered. Remains to be seen once I get the source tho |
| 19:26:13 | warmi | FINALLY ! |
| 19:26:17 | warmi | my Zaurus came |
| 19:26:20 | warmi | :-) |
| 19:26:29 | warmi | and it came from Trolls not from Sharp |
| 19:26:31 | Neo|Work | heh. that took a while |
| 19:26:35 | Neo|Work | and how was it delivered? |
| 19:26:41 | warmi | FedEx |
| 19:26:46 | Neo|Work | ah |
| 19:26:55 | warmi | from trolls (according to my wife .. she is at home now) |
| 19:26:58 | Neo|Work | so why did it take so darn long time, any idea? Did TT talk to you? |
| 19:27:15 | warmi | nothing personal |
| 19:27:17 | Neo|Work | obviously it wasn't sent on time |
| 19:27:25 | warmi | just standard deadline extension email |
| 19:27:36 | warmi | actually it was UPS not FedEx |
| 19:27:40 | Neo|Work | that's just plain bad. :P |
| 19:27:48 | Neo|Work | Seems like TT use UPS and Sharp used FedEx |
| 19:28:00 | warmi | my wife first words " uhh .. I like it" |
| 19:28:05 | Kopsis | warmi: That's great news! Maybe there's hope for mine. |
| 19:28:06 | warmi | :-) |
| 19:28:18 | warmi | Kopsis: where are you ? |
| 19:28:25 | Kopsis | warmi: Florida |
| 19:28:57 | warmi | I am sure you will get one ... most likely from Trolls , looks like Sharp run out of theirs last week or so |
| 19:29:25 | Neo|Work | I'm amazed how lame this have been |
| 19:29:38 | Neo|Work | were they like all surprised they needed to send out 50 Z's or what? |
| 19:29:59 | warmi | I guess ... I mean this whole contest wasn't handled too well |
| 19:30:00 | Kopsis | Yeah, it doesn't seem like it would be that difficult a thing to manage |
| 19:31:29 | BigBoss | remember, it's easy to critisize when you don't know what was really going on |
| 19:31:41 | BigBoss | I don't know what was going on either, but who knows |
| 19:32:02 | warmi | BB: I am sure SOMETHING is going on |
| 19:32:10 | warmi | but it is not our problem , to be frank |
| 19:32:14 | BigBoss | overworked company |
| 19:32:19 | BigBoss | no it's not our problem |
| 19:32:23 | Kopsis | But at the very least they could *tell us* what's going on. |
| 19:32:32 | BigBoss | I've spoken with the management at TT a few times about better communication |
| 19:33:10 | warmi | after all . this is not a charity.... Trolls are getting much more out of this cooperation |
| 19:33:30 | warmi | than we do |
| 19:33:40 | warmi | it is pure business for them :-) |
| 19:33:56 | warmi | anyway, I have my Z now , I am happy man |
| 19:35:46 | NetAmp | warmi: yeah you should be! |
| 19:35:48 | NetAmp | :P |
| 19:35:49 | NetAmp | ;-) |
| 19:35:52 | BigBoss | i'm not sure what they get out of the contest to tell the truth |
| 19:36:01 | Neo|Work | BigBoss: that we don't know what's going on is, as everyone says, part of the problem |
| 19:36:14 | Neo|Work | we got no reason for this month long delay in receiving the Z's |
| 19:36:19 | warmi | BB: well, about 150 working apps for their platform |
| 19:36:30 | BigBoss | neo: I agree |
| 19:36:44 | warmi | a lot of people familiar with Qte development etc ... |
| 19:36:44 | BigBoss | warmi: were there that many entries? |
| 19:36:53 | BigBoss | and what will they do with those apps specifically? |
| 19:36:54 | Neo|Work | I'd say a contest like this is mostly a marketing expense. Awareness, more applications, more developers etc |
| 19:37:09 | Neo|Work | BigBoss: some 200 entries, 130 that they got to run |
| 19:37:11 | warmi | BB: according to them there were 200 and 150 or so compiled |
| 19:37:57 | ljp_work | and over 1000 registered for the contest/sdk |
| 19:37:58 | warmi | I am sure they hoped for more but .... 2000 people downloaded SKD ... some of them will make use of it |
| 19:38:43 | warmi | hah, I heard 2000 from JHPerlow |
| 19:38:55 | warmi | anyway |
| 19:39:08 | warmi | BB: you talk to trolls a lot .. |
| 19:39:37 | BigBoss | I didn't think they'd get more than 50 working apps, so I guess it was a success :) |
| 19:40:09 | ljp_work | BB: did you hear about catalin's site? |
| 19:40:16 | warmi | hahaha |
| 19:40:24 | warmi | ljp--: it is a hoax |
| 19:40:32 | warmi | just like you predicted :-) |
| 19:40:39 | ljp_work | really.. |
| 19:40:56 | ljp_work | he exposed himself, then? |
| 19:41:01 | warmi | no, BB did |
| 19:41:04 | warmi | :-) |
| 19:41:05 | ljp_work | ahhh |
| 19:41:30 | BigBoss | ljp: yes, I knew earlier - he got me with another joke first thing this morning |
| 19:41:35 | BigBoss | he is an evil little bastard :) |
| 19:41:44 | Neo|Work | Evil indeed. :P |
| 19:41:52 | warmi | I just suggested that this was a hoax but wasn't sure .. |
| 19:41:54 | Neo|Work | we kind of figured it out mainly in how he acted |
| 19:42:15 | warmi | and BB confirmed it |
| 19:42:25 | BigBoss | did I accidently confirm it? |
| 19:42:30 | warmi | aha |
| 19:42:43 | Neo|Work | but I do still find it non-funny due to the potential actions of ppl |
| 19:43:01 | warmi | I kinda suspected you would know ... |
| 19:43:03 | Neo|Work | <BigBoss> so that cat is out of the bag now? |
| 19:43:13 | ljp_work | moral: dodnt take anything seriously on April 1st |
| 19:43:19 | warmi | Neo|Work: did you send any emails out regarding this issue ? |
| 19:43:21 | Neo|Work | but then I guess, that's the whole point of it |
| 19:44:01 | Neo|Work | warmi: Yeah, since it didn't strike me as funny and didn't seem unreasonable / unlikely these days |
| 19:44:06 | BigBoss | neo: I hope your not too upset about it. Catalin is one of those evil pranksters |
| 19:44:24 | Neo|Work | BigBoss: not really upset, no. :P |
| 19:44:34 | ljp_work | I am! |
| 19:44:39 | BigBoss | he got me much worse this morning |
| 19:44:44 | ljp_work | I wanted a big conspiracy! |
| 19:44:50 | Neo|Work | ljp_work: heh |
| 19:45:02 | BigBoss | he showed me the web page this morning and I immediately assumed it was a joke |
| 19:45:32 | Neo|Work | would anyone seriously doubt that Palm _might_ try to stop the emulator from running on another PDA? |
| 19:45:51 | warmi | entirelly possible |
| 19:45:58 | BigBoss | honestly it never even occured to me it might be true after all the other april 1 stuff going on |
| 19:46:25 | Neo|Work | BigBoss: Heh. I had just read some A1st stuff on /. even |
| 19:46:41 | Neo|Work | what got me was how likely such a scenario is |
| 19:46:44 | warmi | whole crapload of A1 stories on /. |
| 19:47:02 | Neo|Work | they always overdo it |
| 19:47:14 | Neo|Work | the trick is to have a few likely ones mixed in with unlikely _true_ stories |
| 19:47:22 | warmi | starting with Qt for console last night :-) |
| 19:47:29 | Neo|Work | I like the pigeon to email transition in india story for example |
| 19:47:37 | BigBoss | yea, that was funny |
| 19:47:39 | warmi | heh |
| 19:47:47 | Neo|Work | which, of course, is entirely true. :) |
| 19:48:55 | Neo|Work | heh: http://www.tomshardware.com/column/02q2/020401/index.html |
| 19:49:12 | warmi | anyway, I hope this Z is for real and hot just cardboard shell ... with all this going today who knows |
| 19:50:18 | Neo|Work | heh |
| 19:50:31 | Neo|Work | have your wife plug it in to charge btw |
| 19:50:38 | Aelix | Hey BB is there a way to get the kompany application theme across the entire Qtopia env? |
| 19:51:05 | BigBoss | I don't know - let's ask Max |
| 19:51:56 | kergoth | Yeah there is, but tkc wont be giving out the QStyle code.. they'd only give out the binary.. and since qtopia currently doesnt handle pulling new styles from shared libraries, it wont be happening |
| 19:52:05 | kergoth | hello all, btw |
| 19:52:11 | kergoth | what a day.. |
| 19:52:12 | kergoth | ugh |
| 19:52:19 | BigBoss | tell me about it |
| 19:52:56 | Aelix | bummer |
| 19:53:12 | Twiun | Hey Kergoth |
| 19:53:31 | kergoth | hey Twiun.. how goes it? |
| 19:53:54 | warmi | BB: you should sell your QStyle code as a library or something like that |
| 19:54:01 | warmi | I would buy it |
| 19:54:02 | tux_mike | ping? |
| 19:54:04 | warmi | :-) |
| 19:54:09 | kergoth | tux_mike: who ya pingin? |
| 19:54:10 | tux_mike | cool, it's back up |
| 19:54:13 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:54:23 | tux_mike | just checking to see if i get a reply |
| 19:54:25 | kergoth | warmi: thats a good idea actually ;-) |
| 19:54:26 | kergoth | tux_mike: ah |
| 19:54:58 | tux_mike | catalin left? |
| 19:55:02 | kergoth | yep |
| 19:55:02 | warmi | yeah, I would gladly pay up to ... say $30-40 for it :-) |
| 19:55:22 | warmi | tux_mike: yeah, seems he got a bit upset and left |
| 19:55:26 | kergoth | warmi: yeah. course their style is probably in the tkc lib.. though i doubt they'd be happy with you if you tried to dlopen() and use it. hehe. |
| 19:55:38 | Neo|Work | Hehe. I made him upset. :P |
| 19:55:41 | kergoth | busybox from my buildsystem no longer works |
| 19:55:44 | kergoth | its strange |
| 19:55:48 | warmi | nah ... good code is worth paying for |
| 19:55:53 | RedBlur | Hey, My Z doesn't seam to want to suspend any more...no changes since it started doing this any suggestions? |
| 19:55:54 | kergoth | warmi: indeed |
| 19:55:56 | tux_mike | warmi: i'd be upset too if my isp was about to pull the plug for bs |
| 19:56:07 | warmi | tux_mike: it is a damn joke |
| 19:56:10 | warmi | heh |
| 19:56:27 | tux_mike | warmi: :P |
| 19:56:32 | warmi | and he actually got us going pretty good here |
| 19:56:36 | warmi | at least me |
| 19:57:05 | warmi | anyway, tux: I finally have my Zaurus |
| 19:57:16 | kergoth | warmi: congrats |
| 19:57:26 | tux_mike | warmi: i'm trying to find out if speakeasy will end up pulling the plug over the stupid palm pressure |
| 19:57:30 | tux_mike | warmi: schweet :) |
| 19:57:34 | warmi | as far as job at Tribune I will have to wait one more week, this guy( Wolak) went with his whole family to Mexico for one week |
| 19:57:46 | tux_mike | ok |
| 19:57:59 | warmi | I wish I could go there |
| 19:58:21 | BigBoss | mexico is a 90 minutes drive for me |
| 19:58:23 | warmi | but , well, since I have my Z now that's fine |
| 19:58:33 | tux_mike | i'd rather go to europe, or japan, or many other places :) |
| 19:58:38 | Neo|Work | Cool. SA is the top downloaded non-free app from hangango |
| 19:58:50 | warmi | BB: oh well .. but at least we can make fun out of your mortage rates ... |
| 19:58:51 | kergoth | Neo|Work: nice! |
| 19:58:59 | tux_mike | NeoTron: cool |
| 19:59:09 | warmi | that's the only thing that is superior in IL |
| 19:59:11 | warmi | :-) |
| 19:59:20 | Neo|Work | now, if all 150 or so downloads became paying customers... :-) |
| 19:59:50 | tux_mike | curses at the falling snowflakes |
| 20:00:08 | Neo|Work | I should put together a dictd package and make edict have configurable server |
| 20:00:16 | Neo|Work | using localhost per default if it detects dictd |
| 20:00:18 | torb | what about sharp? |
| 20:00:18 | warmi | yeah, raind and snow ... great |
| 20:00:26 | torb | chess? |
| 20:00:27 | warmi | torb: ?? |
| 20:00:29 | Neo|Work | torb: yes, what about sharp? |
| 20:00:30 | torb | play me |
| 20:00:39 | torb | sharp channel? |
| 20:00:45 | Neo|Work | sugar, cyber torb |
| 20:00:51 | Sugar | Neo|Work: <B>T.O.R.B.: Technician Optimized for Repair and Battle</B> |
| 20:00:55 | torb | sugar sharp |
| 20:01:03 | | Neo|Work: excuse me? |
| 20:01:03 | Neo|Work | ibot sharp |
| 20:01:07 | | it has been said that zaurus is at http://developer.sharpsec.com/index.cfm |
| 20:01:07 | Neo|Work | ibot zaurus |
| 20:01:36 | torb | play me play chess |
| 20:01:42 | Neo|Work | torb: basically, this channel is for users/developrs of the new Sharp PDA, Zaurus SL-5500 (and dev version SL-5000D) |
| 20:02:00 | Neo|Work | This is not a channel for sharp chess players on the other hand. ;-) |
| 20:02:10 | warmi | hahah |
| 20:02:27 | warmi | I told you guys .... all kinds of wierd stuff happens on this date |
| 20:02:32 | Neo|Work | heh |
| 20:02:38 | torb | is it a computer model? |
| 20:03:27 | warmi | tord: I somehow doubt you would pass Turing Test |
| 20:03:54 | torb | i know you wouldnt |
| 20:04:01 | warmi | heh |
| 20:04:12 | torb | eheh |
| 20:05:15 | Neo|Work | it's a PDA |
| 20:05:19 | torb | sharp pda, you think we care about what pda stands for? pro deranged amateurs? |
| 20:05:54 | torb | just kidding. but i dont know what kind of sharp a pda is... |
| 20:05:56 | Vlade | is there a better battery monitor than the one that comes with the PDA? because it shows the battery power when its too low or full ... but not in the middke |
| 20:06:08 | tux_mike | ping? |
| 20:06:16 | warmi | pong |
| 20:06:17 | kergoth | torb: sharp = a company, pda = personal digital assistant |
| 20:07:03 | torb | a hand thing? |
| 20:07:07 | kergoth | yes |
| 20:07:10 | kergoth | handheld computer |
| 20:07:14 | torb | who needs it? |
| 20:07:20 | tux_mike | gah! |
| 20:07:22 | kergoth | torb: thousands of people |
| 20:07:24 | kergoth | hey BZFlag |
| 20:07:32 | torb | pen and paper? |
| 20:07:48 | BigBoss | torb: there is a huge class of people for which these will replace a laptop |
| 20:08:00 | BigBoss | for others, like myself, it is a very convenient way to deal with personal data |
| 20:08:10 | torb | that sounds good. |
| 20:08:11 | BigBoss | there are also interesting vertical market applications available |
| 20:08:17 | tux_mike | is using his Z for as much schoolwork as possible |
| 20:08:33 | torb | a lap top is heavy, if you need one |
| 20:08:37 | kergoth | yes, i find many of the vertical market opportunities very interesting |
| 20:09:05 | torb | but i would rather have a more light laptop |
| 20:09:07 | BigBoss | kergoth: I've got a huge interest in this, but I need voice recognition |
| 20:09:12 | Neo|Work | how annoying - the Z doesn't have libpng as a standalone library |
| 20:09:17 | Neo|Work | hmm. perhaps QT doesn't even use libpng |
| 20:09:39 | tux_mike | NeoTron: it uses it internally |
| 20:09:51 | tux_mike | i think it's in the 3rdparty folder |
| 20:10:18 | kergoth | Neo|Work: either that, or it was built into qt/e.. (eg. used -qt-libpng rather than -system-png) |
| 20:10:19 | warmi | Neo|Work: why would you need it as a standlone library ./ |
| 20:10:20 | warmi | ? |
| 20:10:33 | warmi | SDL ? |
| 20:10:37 | Neo|Work | warmi: for the SDL image library, yes |
| 20:10:49 | Vlade | so there is no battery monitor that would output a number, instead of drawing a picture? |
| 20:10:58 | kergoth | ack, stupid stupid stupid stupid motherfucker on the phone. my god, this guy should NOT be sitting in front of their database server |
| 20:11:05 | warmi | make it accept QImage or QPixmap .. this way you can load anything qt can load |
| 20:11:06 | Neo|Work | kergoth / tux_mike: certainly would be better to have it external. :) |
| 20:11:38 | Neo|Work | warmi: one can make a libSDL_QTImage library perhaps |
| 20:11:52 | Neo|Work | however I wouldn't add QPixmap support to libSDL_image... |
| 20:12:01 | warmi | well, if it is tailored for Zaurus or Qtopia then it would only make sense |
| 20:12:18 | warmi | well, it doesn't matter, you can always create QImage out of QPixmap |
| 20:12:26 | tux_mike | NeoTron: perhaps make a wrapper class to convert a qpixmap back to png? |
| 20:12:53 | Neo|Work | tux_mike: what is interesting for SDL is to get IMAGE into an SDL surface, regardless of format |
| 20:13:14 | warmi | then yeah, just make libSQL_QTImage .... |
| 20:13:36 | warmi | this will be conviniet way to load embedded png's .. . |
| 20:13:51 | Neo|Work | yes |
| 20:14:08 | Neo|Work | anyone gotten JPEG loading to work (in their own app, not in the image viewer)? |
| 20:14:40 | tux_mike | NeoTron: you trying to use Resource class to load jpegs? |
| 20:15:22 | Neo|Work | tux_mike: yes |
| 20:15:27 | tux_mike | hrm... |
| 20:15:37 | Neo|Work | perhaps it simply doesn't find files named .jpg? |
| 20:15:38 | tux_mike | *phew* isp still up :) |
| 20:16:02 | tux_mike | could be, resource may not be able to understand jpg, it is a strictly qpe thing |
| 20:16:27 | warmi | haha ... climov.com actually went dead |
| 20:16:37 | BigBoss | read the message closely |
| 20:17:08 | warmi | went private |
| 20:17:21 | warmi | not dead |
| 20:17:28 | BigBoss | oh |
| 20:17:38 | Neo|Work | if ( QFile( picsPath + pix + ".png").exists() ) |
| 20:17:38 | Neo|Work | return picsPath + pix + ".png"; |
| 20:17:38 | Neo|Work | else if ( QFile( picsPath + pix + ".xpm").exists() ) |
| 20:17:38 | Neo|Work | return picsPath + pix + ".xpm"; |
| 20:17:38 | Neo|Work | else if ( QFile( picsPath + pix ).exists() ) |
| 20:17:39 | Neo|Work | return picsPath + pix; |
| 20:17:41 | Neo|Work | how lame!!! |
| 20:17:46 | Neo|Work | gah! :P |
| 20:17:50 | kergoth | lolo |
| 20:17:55 | tux_mike | NeoTron: i see you found the problem |
| 20:17:56 | kergoth | s/o$//g; |
| 20:18:08 | Neo|Work | tux_mike: indeed |
| 20:18:21 | Neo|Work | so I can just use the full path, contrary to the docs |
| 20:18:31 | tux_mike | anyone have a current sdk for the Z? |
| 20:18:54 | Neo|Work | anyone in OPIE interested in a patch for that? :P |
| 20:18:55 | warmi | compiled Qtopia libs + include files ? |
| 20:19:24 | kergoth | Neo|Work: hell yeah. thats a horrid hack, feel free to fix |
| 20:19:27 | kergoth | Neo|Work: :-) |
| 20:19:29 | tux_mike | warmi: more the official ones, i need to check the contact.h file |
| 20:19:30 | NetAmp | slashdot: "nVidia/AMD Merger Announced" April1? |
| 20:19:30 | NetAmp | ;) |
| 20:19:35 | kergoth | lol |
| 20:19:38 | Neo|Work | I can't see any other fix than adding other extensions for supported formats |
| 20:19:38 | NetAmp | gtg |
| 20:19:38 | NetAmp | cya |
| 20:20:13 | warmi | I have qtopia-sdk-1.5.0-2.i386.rpm |
| 20:20:21 | kergoth | Neo|Work: indeed. could simply document that passing full image filename, including extension, is recommended. |
| 20:20:26 | Neo|Work | qtopia-sdk-1.5.0-3 here |
| 20:20:35 | Neo|Work | kergoth: indeed. I didn't even know it worked. :P |
| 20:20:38 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:20:46 | kergoth | yep, documentation time ;-) |
| 20:21:24 | warmi | is there Internet accesible URL with Qtopia API ? |
| 20:21:40 | tux_mike | NeoTron: is there a contact.h in the include files? (qpe/contact.h) |
| 20:22:27 | Neo|Work | tux_mike: as in opie/library/contact.h? |
| 20:22:34 | tux_mike | that's it. |
| 20:22:40 | Neo|Work | then, not in my version. :P |
| 20:22:43 | tux_mike | can you mail that to me |
| 20:22:59 | tux_mike | no contact.h in there? wtf... |
| 20:23:02 | Neo|Work | nope |
| 20:23:23 | Neo|Work | even more fun is... |
| 20:23:34 | Neo|Work | Returns a sound file for a sound named \a name. |
| 20:23:34 | Neo|Work | You should avoid including any filename type extension (eg. .wav, .au, .mp3). |
| 20:23:34 | Neo|Work | */ |
| 20:23:39 | Neo|Work | when it just looks for .wav... |
| 20:23:44 | kergoth | aha |
| 20:23:44 | tux_mike | lol |
| 20:23:58 | kergoth | thinks qtopia is one big hack |
| 20:24:00 | warmi | tux_mike: you can download contact.h at ftp.warmi.net |
| 20:24:00 | kergoth | ;-) |
| 20:24:03 | warmi | anonymous |
| 20:24:26 | tux_mike | warmi: is that the sdk one, or is that from a qtopia cvs? |
| 20:24:28 | kergoth | can someone test a binary for me on their Z? I need to make sure I'm not insane |
| 20:24:31 | warmi | sdk |
| 20:24:38 | tux_mike | warmi: ok |
| 20:24:44 | tux_mike | kergoth: sure, mike@tuxnami.org |
| 20:24:46 | warmi | in /public folder |
| 20:24:50 | kergoth | tux_mike: thanks |
| 20:25:10 | Neo|Work | kergoth: afraid I can't since I have no way to transfer files at work |
| 20:25:15 | warmi | kergoth: you don't have a Z ? |
| 20:25:43 | tux_mike | kergoth: no problem |
| 20:26:04 | kergoth | warmi: yeah i do, and it fails here, but i want someone else to test to test my sanity :-) |
| 20:26:44 | warmi | man, it better fail everywhere else as well |
| 20:26:49 | kergoth | i'd hope so |
| 20:26:49 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:26:54 | Neo|Work | even worse, with the findSound class is that it doesn't even allow you to find files which has an extension |
| 20:27:15 | kergoth | mutters about unix apps that care about extension |
| 20:27:18 | warmi | I like Z because it supposed to guarantee binary compatibility .... no more missing libs , hardware etc |
| 20:27:39 | Neo|Work | the qpe library really seems like a hack |
| 20:27:46 | kergoth | warmi: my Z is running openzaurus 3.0 (beta). it could be that my build of glibc is fucked, so i want to test on a working zaurus |
| 20:27:48 | kergoth | warmi: :-) |
| 20:27:53 | kergoth | Neo|Work: i noticed |
| 20:28:00 | tux_mike | i have a question, on the Z (without ld.so) upon execution of a program, will it check against the library to make sure all the symbols in the executable are in the libraries? |
| 20:28:07 | kergoth | Neo|Work: hence opie's existance, but we're stuck maintaining compatibility |
| 20:28:21 | warmi | ah ,ok .. then you and your code is directly responsible for your sanity |
| 20:28:25 | Neo|Work | at least stuff like that can be fixed.. |
| 20:28:32 | kergoth | yes |
| 20:28:40 | Neo|Work | I think in general, that the "avoid extension" is dumb |
| 20:28:44 | kergoth | yes |
| 20:28:49 | kergoth | 'extension' doesnt exist in unix |
| 20:28:50 | Neo|Work | since they obviously don't do a good job detecting the files anyway |
| 20:28:51 | kergoth | not really |
| 20:28:55 | kergoth | yep |
| 20:29:26 | Neo|Work | well, I have code that now finds .jpg/jpeg and allows for findSound without magic extension |
| 20:29:34 | Neo|Work | does qpe support GIF by default? |
| 20:29:38 | Neo|Work | other file formats? |
| 20:29:49 | warmi | crap, I didn't even notice Resources class existed |
| 20:29:53 | Neo|Work | and shouldn't it, by default, try to find the exact match instead of finding it last? |
| 20:30:03 | kergoth | warmi: hehe. Resource is useful |
| 20:30:09 | tux_mike | NeoTron: gif only if the -gif option is specified in compilation |
| 20:30:10 | Neo|Work | warmi: one nice feature of it is that it caches loaded images |
| 20:30:20 | Neo|Work | tux_mike: know if it is in Qtopia on Z by default? |
| 20:30:33 | Neo|Work | i.e should I look for .gif as well? |
| 20:30:41 | tux_mike | NeoTron: i think it is. |
| 20:31:00 | warmi | I just embed my imagaes and call find_image when needed |
| 20:31:18 | warmi | with 10 images lookup in hash table time doesn't matter |
| 20:31:29 | tux_mike | anyone have an answer on my previous question? |
| 20:31:56 | kergoth | i think i broke my build environment |
| 20:32:42 | warmi | tux_mike: I think checking is done "just in time" |
| 20:33:05 | tux_mike | warmi: ? |
| 20:33:24 | warmi | if the library is there and has correct version, the program will run but it will fail at the moment call is made to library and that method is not there |
| 20:33:41 | warmi | if I remember correctly , of course |
| 20:34:02 | Neo|Work | warmi: xpm right? you'd save a lot of space in using png |
| 20:34:19 | warmi | no, qembed png |
| 20:34:26 | tux_mike | ah |
| 20:35:05 | warmi | have you used qembed before Neo ? |
| 20:35:12 | tux_mike | hrm... warmi, mind puttingup your recordfields.h file? |
| 20:35:43 | warmi | 1 sec |
| 20:36:31 | warmi | done |
| 20:36:38 | tux_mike | i need to see if they went and changed shit in the contact.h, because i know they changed shit in recordfields.h |
| 20:37:22 | warmi | I used embedded xpm in my beta contest version but now I am using embedded png ... way smaller files |
| 20:37:40 | tux_mike | son of a... |
| 20:37:54 | Neo|Work | warmi: nope |
| 20:37:59 | tux_mike | warmi: i think those are a bit old. they aren't reflecting the changes i'm seeing in the Z rom |
| 20:38:00 | Neo|Work | never found the binary for it, just docs |
| 20:38:04 | tux_mike | >< damnit |
| 20:38:15 | tux_mike | now i'm getting pissed! |
| 20:38:24 | warmi | they are straight from QTopia SDK |
| 20:38:44 | Neo|Work | warmi: where did you find qembed |
| 20:38:45 | Neo|Work | ? |
| 20:38:56 | warmi | I thin it came with my QTE |
| 20:39:21 | warmi | it has its own directory in tools or soemthing like that |
| 20:39:32 | tux_mike | warmi: i belive you, but go figure, something change... i'm gonna have to write some fixes, and pray that it works and doesn't end in flaming wreckege |
| 20:39:43 | warmi | Qte or even standard Qt |
| 20:40:08 | warmi | tux_mike: well, this is my server .. I installed Qtopia there to test my app on as meny boxes as I could |
| 20:40:14 | warmi | but it is not up-to-date |
| 20:40:20 | warmi | it might be older |
| 20:40:39 | tux_mike | still, >< |
| 20:40:41 | tux_mike | splodes |
| 20:40:44 | warmi | my dev box has the latest version but I can't access it right now ... it is in Win2000 mode |
| 20:40:52 | tux_mike | icky! |
| 20:40:57 | warmi | beyond that, I have no idea what's wrong with this |
| 20:41:47 | warmi | time do do some work |
| 20:51:35 | tux_mike | hey ljp |
| 20:51:41 | ljp_work | hi |
| 20:52:00 | tux_mike | hrm... anyone play with kismet? |
| 20:55:38 | Neo|Work | warmi_work: oh, in source only, not in the sdk? |
| 21:00:16 | tux_mike | boy, it got quiet in here |
| 21:00:41 | ljp_work | probably because I joined |
| 21:01:00 | ljp_work | you you all were either talking about me or my code :D |
| 21:01:20 | Neo|Work | ][N-Flux: images? :P |
| 21:02:36 | ][N-Flux | When I get into work |
| 21:02:38 | ][N-Flux | I'm at home |
| 21:02:48 | Neo|Work | do you ever work? ;-) |
| 21:02:59 | Neo|Work | heh |
| 21:03:23 | ][N-Flux | work too much actually |
| 21:03:32 | ][N-Flux | on site generally though |
| 21:03:38 | ][N-Flux | been sick since sat night |
| 21:03:39 | Neo|Work | what do you do? |
| 21:04:29 | ][N-Flux | it hard/soft ware troubleshooting and the like |
| 21:04:37 | Neo|Work | ah |
| 21:04:43 | Neo|Work | "PC Technician"? :P |
| 21:05:48 | tux_mike | mmmm... restorante style totilla chips :9 |
| 21:05:57 | ][N-Flux | it's a bit more than that, but basically |
| 21:08:06 | tux_mike | stupid isp |
| 21:08:54 | tux_mike | ker: ping |
| 21:09:06 | tux_mike | mmm hrm |
| 21:21:53 | tux_mike | hey BZFlag |
| 21:22:32 | tux_mike | hey kergoth |
| 21:22:32 | kergoth | re |
| 21:22:40 | tux_mike | did you send that file? |
| 21:22:41 | kergoth | our primary router had a hardware failure at work here. |
| 21:22:42 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:22:48 | kergoth | no, had no connectivity |
| 21:22:57 | kergoth | i wont bother actually, i think i found the prob |
| 21:22:58 | kergoth | thanks though |
| 21:23:04 | tux_mike | ah |
| 21:23:22 | tux_mike | what app is this? |
| 21:23:32 | kergoth | busybox. the fucking binary hangs |
| 21:23:39 | kergoth | never used to.. and i built it exactly the same back when it worked |
| 21:23:42 | kergoth | driving me nuts |
| 21:24:42 | kergoth | I think I may write a qtopia training app. workout routine management, logging, reporting. diet and caloric intake. stopwatch/timing, body fat % estimation and logging, etc |
| 21:24:48 | kergoth | opinions? |
| 21:25:25 | killefiz | that won't make me do any training ;) |
| 21:25:55 | kergoth | hah |
| 21:25:57 | kergoth | :-) |
| 21:26:53 | kergoth | could use the same app for mental training as well... :-) |
| 21:27:08 | killefiz | go ahead then ;) |
| 21:27:35 | kergoth | its a niche app, but i think itd be useful. |
| 21:27:39 | kergoth | I will then |
| 21:27:41 | kergoth | hehe :-) |
| 21:27:43 | kergoth | yawns |
| 21:28:11 | killefiz | sure these kind of apps are the apps people are using their palm's for |
| 21:28:37 | kergoth | yeah exactly |
| 21:32:40 | tux_mike | closes the salsa |
| 21:35:07 | catalin | hey bb, welcome back :) |
| 21:35:25 | BigBoss | thanks - I thought you were going to bed or somethig :) |
| 21:35:44 | catalin | nah, I had to fix my web site :) |
| 21:36:47 | killefiz | catalin: Any idea when qpose will be released? |
| 21:36:58 | killefiz | besides "when it's finished" |
| 21:37:12 | BigBoss | that is a typical romanian response :) |
| 21:37:13 | catalin | not sooner than that :) |
| 21:37:49 | killefiz | hmm ... likely in this decade? |
| 21:37:59 | catalin | yes |
| 21:38:06 | killefiz | that makes me happy |
| 21:38:50 | catalin | then there's always the pose source at palm.com for those who are impatient :) |
| 21:39:15 | killefiz | do I sound impatient? |
| 21:39:33 | catalin | no you don't |
| 21:40:00 | tux_mike | would like to play SC and bejeweled. :) |
| 21:40:09 | tux_mike | that's why i want the pose for the Z :) |
| 21:40:27 | killefiz | qpose development should probably be sponsored by tt or sharp |
| 21:40:32 | catalin | SC ? |
| 21:40:40 | tux_mike | sim city |
| 21:40:47 | tux_mike | best game series ever. |
| 21:40:50 | catalin | killefiz: you can say that again. too bad no one listens :( |
| 21:41:23 | Cam_ | will you need a palm rom for qpose? |
| 21:41:34 | tux_mike | yes |
| 21:41:43 | catalin | yes |
| 21:41:43 | Cam_ | filothy closed source stuff |
| 21:41:52 | tux_mike | and you will need a legal license to use one. i.e. a palm :) |
| 21:42:06 | killefiz | I'd even buy an old palm3 to use pose on the z |
| 21:42:32 | catalin | killefiz: yes, that would be legal |
| 21:42:33 | Cam_ | I always thought it would be nice to recompile GPL palm apps for other architectures |
| 21:42:36 | catalin | AFAIK |
| 21:42:50 | Cam_ | what are the killer apps that only palm has, then? |
| 21:43:04 | Neo|Work | Recompiling palm apps won't be that easy you know |
| 21:43:11 | killefiz | PIM suite |
| 21:43:14 | catalin | neo is right |
| 21:43:35 | killefiz | zillions of written applications |
| 21:43:43 | Cam_ | so you'd go to all that trouble just for 'global find' and other Palm features? |
| 21:43:45 | Neo|Work | and no, you don't need to own a palm - you can download the rom after various hoops and hurdles from www.palmos.com |
| 21:44:18 | killefiz | NeoTron: Have you read the licensing agreement? |
| 21:44:20 | Neo|Work | Cam_: palm apps are very different from your average desktop/qtopia app.. The entire UI is defined using resource files and such |
| 21:44:23 | killefiz | (i haven't) |
| 21:44:23 | ep0ch | How do I know if the version of Hancom suite that I have is the proper version or the 30 day trial? |
| 21:44:25 | catalin | neo: the rom you download from palmos.com can only be used for debugging & development |
| 21:44:29 | tux_mike | yah |
| 21:44:35 | Cam_ | I did think once about recompiling stuff... way back from when the Palm API was relatively simple |
| 21:44:46 | Neo|Work | killefiz: nope, can't say I particulary cared enough. However I have roms from Handspring, Palm, Sony... |
| 21:45:08 | Neo|Work | and although handspring and sony required signatures, they didn't require proof of ownership |
| 21:45:08 | Cam_ | Neo|Work: I did look into it in some detail. You could get the resources from the GNU based Palm toolchain |
| 21:45:11 | tux_mike | killefiz: someone should make a wrapper library to make palm porting easier :) |
| 21:45:12 | killefiz | I still have my palmV, so not much missing ... |
| 21:45:17 | jperlow-sharp | hey, um, dudes... |
| 21:45:23 | tux_mike | hey jason |
| 21:45:24 | jperlow-sharp | what happened to fbvncserver? |
| 21:45:25 | Neo|Work | Cam_: I have done PalmOS development you know. :P |
| 21:45:28 | kergoth | re jperlow-sharp |
| 21:45:47 | tux_mike | jason: fastolfe... hasn't been around. :( |
| 21:45:47 | jperlow-sharp | kergoth: OZ 3? :) |
| 21:45:56 | tux_mike | kergoth: ditto :) |
| 21:45:58 | tux_mike | heheh |
| 21:45:58 | Neo|Work | jperlow-sharp: he was laid off, went to france or something |
| 21:45:59 | Cam_ | Neo|Work: that's cool :) |
| 21:46:01 | jperlow-sharp | yeah but I mean it WAS on the Lineo server |
| 21:46:04 | jperlow-sharp | and now it is not there |
| 21:46:07 | Neo|Work | jperlow-sharp: he removed it |
| 21:46:17 | jperlow-sharp | http://opensource.lineo.com/fbvncserver |
| 21:46:19 | kergoth | jperlow-sharp: getting there. its being a pain in the ass. busybox doesnt like me anymore |
| 21:46:22 | jperlow-sharp | Neo: that blows. |
| 21:46:28 | Neo|Work | yah |
| 21:46:33 | jperlow-sharp | I have current binaries but we have no source |
| 21:46:33 | killefiz | There is a copy on zaurus.sf.net |
| 21:46:34 | tux_mike | kicks busybox for kergoth |
| 21:46:40 | kergoth | tux_mike: thanks! ;-) |
| 21:46:45 | tux_mike | np :) |
| 21:47:03 | Neo|Work | sugar seen fastolfe |
| 21:47:03 | Sugar | Neo|Work: I last saw fastolfe on IRC 568h 40m 23s ago changing nick to Fastolfe|SleepyTeddyBeddyTime. |
| 21:47:11 | Neo|Work | sugar heard fastolfe |
| 21:47:11 | Sugar | Neo|Work: I last heard fastolfe on IRC 568h 40m 42s ago in channel #zaurus saying: seeya folks ! |
| 21:47:21 | Neo|Work | i.e long missing |
| 21:47:45 | tux_mike | bbiaf... i gotta run to the office of my ex-boss to hand in some crappy forms |
| 21:49:40 | Neo|Work | jperlow-sharp: so will we see some big announcement from Sharp at some point or is the launch intentionally quiet? |
| 21:53:21 | bipolar_away | is away: I'm not here... Really.... |
| 21:56:43 | killefiz | Is there a "perfect" WLAN Card, not blocking the stylus and not using much power? |
| 21:57:52 | Aelix | I use the SMC2642W and have no power issues |
| 21:58:17 | Aelix | I can go wireless for 2.5-3 hours straight |
| 21:58:24 | killefiz | With backlight on? |
| 21:58:31 | Aelix | on medium |
| 21:58:35 | Aelix | I never turn it all the way up |
| 21:59:09 | Aelix | Also depends on if it is a 5000 or a 5500 |
| 21:59:21 | killefiz | Why's that? |
| 21:59:36 | Aelix | 5000's do not fully charge the battery |
| 21:59:39 | Aelix | So I hear |
| 22:00:24 | killefiz | Hmm ... I can get that SMC card cheap |
| 22:00:41 | killefiz | Does it block the stylus? |
| 22:00:46 | Aelix | nope |
| 22:00:49 | Aelix | exact width of the slot |
| 22:01:08 | killefiz | Remember how much you paid? |
| 22:01:19 | Aelix | whatever CDW.com wanted |
| 22:01:43 | Aelix | $97.18 |
| 22:01:46 | Aelix | USD |
| 22:01:59 | Aelix | http://www.cdw.com/shop/products/default.asp?EDC=355789 |
| 22:02:39 | killefiz | Yeah .. that's about the price i have |
| 22:07:13 | kergoth | where are most apps storing their app specific data (not Config stuff, but other data)? |
| 22:08:18 | Neo|Work | kergoth: pics/, sounds/ etc |
| 22:08:30 | Neo|Work | I might make eligo store stuff in /home/root/ |
| 22:08:34 | kergoth | Neo|Work: hmm |
| 22:08:35 | Neo|Work | ie $HOME/ |
| 22:08:53 | catalin | mine use share/<appname>/ |
| 22:08:54 | Neo|Work | i.e highscores, game state and such |
| 22:09:20 | kergoth | so there's no agreed upon standard for a path for such data atm? |
| 22:09:24 | kergoth | re roge99 |
| 22:09:26 | warmi | I used $HOME |
| 22:09:37 | catalin | no standard that I know of |
| 22:09:38 | roge99 | he kergoth how goes it |
| 22:09:42 | kergoth | catalin: how annoying |
| 22:09:43 | warmi | actually $HOME/appname/ |
| 22:09:44 | roge99 | hey even |
| 22:09:45 | kergoth | roge99: not bad, you? |
| 22:09:50 | roge99 | not too bad |
| 22:10:31 | Neo|Work | I will probably start using $HOME/.eongames/<app>/... |
| 22:10:51 | catalin | neo: that's fine for user settings & co |
| 22:11:08 | catalin | but I don't think it's appropriate for app resources |
| 22:11:11 | Neo|Work | catalin: right, it's for things I save, not data files and such |
| 22:11:14 | kergoth | hmm |
| 22:11:38 | Neo|Work | for data files I use $QPEDIR/pics/<game>/ and $QPEDIR/sounds/<game>/ |
| 22:11:44 | kergoth | this should really be standardized |
| 22:11:48 | catalin | FHS recommends lib/appname/ or share/appname/ |
| 22:11:53 | kergoth | Neo|Work: what about for app global data other than pics and sounds |
| 22:11:53 | catalin | AFAIK |
| 22:11:57 | kergoth | k |
| 22:11:59 | Neo|Work | SA stores data files in the pics directory since the game itself only knows of "one" data directory |
| 22:12:08 | ][N-Flux | was there supposed to be a new rom today? |
| 22:12:10 | Neo|Work | kergoth: I'd use share/<appname>/ or so |
| 22:12:25 | Neo|Work | lib/appname/ would indeed be fine too |
| 22:12:38 | Neo|Work | lib for platform specific, share for platform independent |
| 22:12:38 | kergoth | ponders mkdir $QPEDIR/data/appname; # eheh |
| 22:12:46 | Neo|Work | on the Zaurus scope, that's rather irrelevant |
| 22:12:46 | kergoth | Neo|Work: ah, gotcha. thanks |
| 22:13:10 | Neo|Work | so go with share/appname/ or lib/appname/ rather than making a data/appname/ |
| 22:13:39 | catalin | libqpe should have provided a standard API for these, like kdelibs do |
| 22:13:45 | kergoth | indeed |
| 22:13:59 | catalin | maybe a good addition to opie ? :) |
| 22:14:03 | kergoth | i was about to say that |
| 22:14:05 | kergoth | :-) |
| 22:14:24 | kergoth | afk |
| 22:14:31 | catalin | BB used to say 'great minds think alike' :) |
| 22:15:25 | Neo|Work | having done only PalmOS programming before (when it comes to PDA's) I was surprised with the lack of standard |
| 22:15:34 | Neo|Work | but then again, it REALLY doesn't matter anyway |
| 22:15:44 | warmi | Neo|Work: Unix way .. there are standards ...100s of them |
| 22:16:04 | catalin | incompatible with each other, of course |
| 22:16:05 | Neo|Work | warmi: I know, but on the Z there is /home/QtPalmtop/ and /home/root to use |
| 22:18:15 | Neo|Work | the Z is not quite a "normal" computer after all. :P |
| 22:18:52 | catalin | too bad programmers don't understand that ;] |
| 22:20:38 | catalin | first time I learned about the Z I was hoping the apps will look closer to the palm ones (from the UI p.o.v.) not the desktop ones |
| 22:20:51 | warmi | I don't like Palms look |
| 22:21:01 | warmi | and PocketPC looks just like Windows 3.11 |
| 22:21:03 | warmi | :-) |
| 22:21:20 | warmi | Qtopia looks great .. at least on pictures |
| 22:21:56 | Aelix | Does anyone know if the sound chip in the Z is full duplex? |
| 22:22:10 | catalin | am I the only one who finds the "start" button a bad idea on a palm-size device ? |
| 22:22:36 | catalin | Aelix: yes, kinda. AFAIK |
| 22:22:47 | Aelix | oooh voice over IP..... |
| 22:23:16 | Aelix | I wonder how that would work with the combined jack though |
| 22:23:22 | Aelix | fast switching? |
| 22:23:49 | catalin | multiplexing :) |
| 22:25:03 | Aelix | what was that java computer to phone thing... somethingpad.com or something |
| 22:25:19 | Aelix | dialpad.com |
| 22:25:21 | warmi | dialpad |
| 22:25:27 | warmi | pretty cool actually |
| 22:25:42 | Aelix | oh you have to pay for it now |
| 22:25:55 | Aelix | just like everything else |
| 22:26:14 | Aelix | The Z would probably poop out on something like that anyway |
| 22:26:15 | warmi | it was to be expected |
| 22:26:21 | warmi | they have to make money somehow |
| 22:26:37 | Neo|Work | catalin: I don't think the UI is that bad really |
| 22:26:57 | catalin | anyone could recommend a good multimedia (mp3) streaming client library ? |
| 22:26:58 | Neo|Work | but I do miss things like a simple database and such to store data in |
| 22:27:11 | Neo|Work | the developers shouldn't have to know Linux and linux file structure I think |
| 22:28:05 | catalin | neo: Qtopia could use a lot of improvements, incl the UI |
| 22:28:20 | catalin | let's hope opie will address most of them |
| 22:28:25 | Neo|Work | true, but the UI itself isn't the core problem |
| 22:28:39 | ljp_work | like what? |
| 22:28:56 | Neo|Work | like Resource. ;-) |
| 22:28:58 | ljp_work | opie sint changing the core lib |
| 22:29:09 | Neo|Work | BTW, Config class is rather bad and some improvement there might be nice |
| 22:29:17 | Neo|Work | namely it should do at leas basic quoting |
| 22:29:30 | kergoth | ljp_work: yes it is, but only in fixes that dont alter BC. ;-) |
| 22:29:34 | Neo|Work | ljp_work: things can be fixed, while maintaining compatibility |
| 22:29:40 | catalin | take the "document model" for example. A great idea (users don't have to care about the filesystem), a completely wrong implementation |
| 22:29:40 | kergoth | theres an echo |
| 22:29:41 | kergoth | :-) |
| 22:30:53 | warmi | why is it wrong ? |
| 22:31:48 | catalin | warmi: I formatted my CF ext2 and installed all the apps in there. Now my "Documents" folder is completely unusable |
| 22:32:06 | Neo|Work | has anyone gotten the internal buzzer to make arbritrary noise? I.e. can it be used to make sound effects? |
| 22:32:09 | catalin | not to mention the huge amount of time it takes Qtopia to scan the while CF |
| 22:32:24 | ljp_work | Neo: those 'sounds' are predefined |
| 22:32:28 | Neo|Work | it has a number of presets (15 or so) but only 2 or 3 actually work, and they depend on key clicks and such being enabled. :-/ |
| 22:32:55 | Neo|Work | ljp_work: right, but most of them do nothing |
| 22:33:03 | Cam | Is the kernel source for the sound driver available? |
| 22:33:14 | catalin | neo: there's some code on sf.net showing how to use the buzzer and the leds, AFAIK |
| 22:33:27 | kergoth | Cam: the kernel source for the Z's kernel is avail. sound driver included |
| 22:33:36 | Neo|Work | catalin: it does LED stuff and I have gotten it to work, it just isnt' satisfying |
| 22:33:37 | ljp_work | cam: yes |
| 22:33:53 | Cam | so it should be possible to make it do arbitrary noises :) |
| 22:33:58 | Neo|Work | i.e I was going to add piezo fx for my games but it's not viable |
| 22:34:02 | kergoth | Neo|Work: read the appropriate header files for the Z buzzer |
| 22:34:11 | Neo|Work | kergoth: I have dammit ;-) |
| 22:34:25 | kergoth | eheh |
| 22:34:29 | Neo|Work | it is controlled using ioctls, and I tried playing all sounds |
| 22:34:31 | catalin | I thought the buzzer was at least as good as the one on the Palms |
| 22:34:33 | kergoth | indeed |
| 22:34:38 | Neo|Work | all it does is: key click, screen press and alarm sound |
| 22:34:40 | kergoth | afk |
| 22:34:59 | Neo|Work | catalin: Well, I am sure it CAN make as good noise, but the API doesn't let you |
| 22:35:07 | Neo|Work | Cam: sound != buzzer... |
| 22:35:08 | catalin | neo: tkcJabber had several types of buzzer alarms last time I checked |
| 22:35:20 | Neo|Work | catalin: who wrote that then? |
| 22:35:26 | Cam | the agenda one was a piezo driven by the PC keyboard bell API |
| 22:35:27 | catalin | neo: max |
| 22:35:36 | Neo|Work | catalin: got email addy? |
| 22:35:48 | Neo|Work | there's a /dev/sharp-buzzer or so you open |
| 22:35:48 | catalin | neo: sorry ? |
| 22:36:03 | Neo|Work | catalin: got an email for him so I can ask for advise? |
| 22:36:43 | catalin | max@thekompany.com |
| 22:37:17 | msmax | neo:? |
| 22:37:27 | Cam | if all apps are run as root.... presumably you can just hijack the relevant IO and use it directly :P |
| 22:37:28 | catalin | he's seems to be in here as well (msmax) |
| 22:37:54 | Neo|Work | msmax: ah. :P I made some failed attempts of using the piezo /buzzer for sound effects |
| 22:38:09 | Neo|Work | msmax: do you for tkcjabber just use the ioctl API or do you use some other way? |
| 22:38:16 | catalin | the guy did all our embedded apps... a one-man army :) |
| 22:38:24 | Neo|Work | heh |
| 22:38:36 | msmax | neo: buzzer can make only 2-3 different sounds |
| 22:38:46 | Neo|Work | msmax: that's what I noticed. 3 to be exact |
| 22:39:01 | Neo|Work | obviously it's the API that only allows for 3 though |
| 22:39:51 | ljp_work | unless you can hijack its DMA buffers |
| 22:40:07 | Cam | ljp_work: do you know for sure it uses DMA? |
| 22:40:14 | Cam | it might be a simpler device |
| 22:40:19 | catalin | I don't think it uses DMA at all |
| 22:40:39 | Neo|Work | someone should check the kernel for the /dev/sharp-buzzer code. :P |
| 22:40:40 | catalin | just a few simple inport/outport |
| 22:40:40 | Cam | yeah I bet it's either a programmable counter device or a straight IO port |
| 22:41:01 | ljp_work | I'm looking at the source collie_bizzer.c |
| 22:41:06 | ljp_work | buzzer |
| 22:41:49 | ljp_work | both the buzzer and dsp use dma buffers |
| 22:42:14 | Neo|Work | I noticed that there was an interface where you can write to the device - perhaps that'd help |
| 22:44:06 | ljp_work | write to the buzzer? |
| 22:45:02 | ljp_work | I wonder why they named everything collie.. |
| 22:46:03 | ljp_work | where's Fastolfe when you need him... *sigh* |
| 22:47:57 | ljp_work | bbl |
| 22:54:24 | jperlow-sharp | hey |
| 22:54:43 | BigBoss | you jason |
| 22:54:44 | Neo|Work | yo |
| 22:54:45 | jperlow-sharp | kergoth: how do you flash a zimage file? do you need an initrd |
| 22:55:00 | jperlow-sharp | or can you flash a zimage by itself |
| 22:55:06 | tux_mike | hey jason |
| 22:55:07 | kergoth | jperlow-sharp: you can flash it by itself |
| 22:55:07 | Neo|Work | you should be able to |
| 22:55:14 | kergoth | jperlow-sharp: though you may need a bootflag.txt.. i dont recall |
| 22:55:16 | catalin | sup jason |
| 22:55:21 | Neo|Work | I must say the flashing is pretty nifty |
| 22:55:27 | Neo|Work | in that it's so flexible |
| 22:55:27 | kergoth | indeed it is |
| 22:56:00 | jperlow-sharp | does it need any additional files |
| 22:56:01 | Neo|Work | jperlow-sharp: once OZ3 is out with jffs you should never have to flash the initrd again, just the zImage. :P |
| 22:56:18 | jperlow-sharp | alright I have a NEW zimage |
| 22:56:26 | Neo|Work | what's new? :) |
| 22:56:27 | jperlow-sharp | that is supposed to fix some linksys card problems |
| 22:56:30 | Neo|Work | ah |
| 22:56:38 | kergoth | jperlow-sharp: create a bootflag.txt, containing RLV#, where # is runlevel. I generally keep that on cf whether i'm flashing zImage or initrd.bin.. so i dont know whether its needed or not |
| 22:56:43 | Neo|Work | you might, as kergoth said, need the bootflag file |
| 22:57:30 | jperlow-sharp | how do I know what the runlevel is |
| 22:57:31 | Neo|Work | I don't care if I wear out my flash - having 16 MB swap is very helpful |
| 22:57:42 | jperlow-sharp | mitchy sent this one to me without instructions |
| 22:58:26 | kergoth | jperlow-sharp: make it the same as the runlevel on your current rom.. try 'runlevel' at the prompt to check, or cat /etc/inittab|grep default.. iirc Sharp sets the inittab's default runlevel to match the one from bootflag.txt, though it neednt do so |
| 22:58:28 | Neo|Work | I'd guess 3 is the default, looing at /etc/inittab |
| 22:58:33 | kergoth | heh :-) |
| 22:58:40 | Neo|Work | nope, 5 |
| 22:59:06 | jperlow-sharp | alright let me put it up on zauruszone |
| 22:59:14 | Neo|Work | but to be honest, I think 3,4 and 5 all do the same thing |
| 22:59:36 | Neo|Work | they all start the "launch" app |
| 22:59:39 | Twiun | I always thought that the convention meant that 3 was for the console, 4/5 for gui and 6 for shutdown? |
| 23:00:00 | Neo|Work | Twiun: not the case with the Z though |
| 23:00:05 | kergoth | Twiun: not everyone follows convention |
| 23:00:09 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:00:15 | Twiun | slaps his forehead loudly! |
| 23:00:19 | Twiun | how silly of me ;-) |
| 23:00:20 | kergoth | Twiun: 6 is usually reboot, not shutdown, actually |
| 23:00:22 | kergoth | :-) |
| 23:00:25 | Neo|Work | although, it seems like they planned to do it that way |
| 23:00:41 | Twiun | close enough... this box never stays shutdown anyhow |
| 23:00:44 | kergoth | i dont like how it stores runlevel in rom and bypasses the default section of the inittab |
| 23:00:46 | kergoth | that annoys me |
| 23:00:58 | kergoth | so i flash with a useless bootflag.txt, so it'll obey my inittab |
| 23:00:59 | kergoth | :-) |
| 23:01:09 | kergoth | cat bootflag.txt |
| 23:01:11 | kergoth | OZ30 |
| 23:01:14 | kergoth | heh ;-) |
| 23:01:21 | Neo|Work | from comments: 3 full multiuser, 4 JavaVM(Intent) developer mode, 5 JavaVM(Intent) |
| 23:01:29 | Neo|Work | obviously the comments don't match. :P |
| 23:01:38 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:01:41 | Neo|Work | kergoth: that actually works? :P |
| 23:01:42 | kergoth | woah, qmake is nifty |
| 23:01:47 | kergoth | Neo|Work: yeah it does actually |
| 23:02:03 | kergoth | starts using qmake for his qt 2.3.2 apps instead of tmake |
| 23:02:04 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:02:06 | Twiun | NeoTron: so those comments are a leeeetle bit out of sync |
| 23:02:15 | Twiun | hrmm... dodgy name completion |
| 23:02:26 | Neo|Work | Twiun: indeed |
| 23:02:43 | Neo|Work | kergoth: nice. BTW, any idea what /sbin/shsync is? |
| 23:02:53 | Neo|Work | qmake is better how? |
| 23:03:08 | Neo|Work | does it allow for custom rules/dependencies/flags? :-PP |
| 23:03:20 | kergoth | Neo|Work: shsync? no idea |
| 23:03:44 | Neo|Work | it's run from inittab |
| 23:03:45 | kergoth | Neo|Work: i think so.. check this out.. !exists( main.cpp ) {error( "No main.cpp file found" ) } # from a .pro for qmake |
| 23:03:55 | kergoth | :-) |
| 23:04:17 | Neo|Work | kergoth: what I want to do is to generate an include file automatically if a source file has changed (for example) |
| 23:04:31 | kergoth | Neo|Work: define 'generate an include file' |
| 23:05:27 | Neo|Work | ./makemanual.pike converts manual.qtm to a manual.hpp |
| 23:05:31 | Neo|Work | custom app for inlining docs |
| 23:05:35 | Neo|Work | multi-page docs even |
| 23:05:46 | kergoth | ah, gotcha.. I'd just create a custom qmake/tmake template for that |
| 23:05:51 | Neo|Work | PERL! |
| 23:05:55 | Neo|Work | I don't fscking know perl! |
| 23:05:57 | kergoth | barely.. |
| 23:06:02 | kergoth | the templates are very intuitive |
| 23:06:04 | Neo|Work | it's SO simple to do in an ordinary makefile |
| 23:06:17 | kergoth | take a look at $OPIEDIR/qt/tmake/propogate.t |
| 23:06:25 | Neo|Work | manual.hpp: manual.qtm makemanual.pike \n\t ./makemanual.pike |
| 23:06:45 | Cam | It's easy to get support for perl |
| 23:07:15 | Neo|Work | I don't know perl, I know make |
| 23:07:28 | Neo|Work | I don't want to learn perl to make a makefile. :P |
| 23:07:53 | Cam | all: perl\n\trtfm ;-P |
| 23:08:26 | kergoth | hah |
| 23:08:44 | kergoth | Neo|Work: really, you dont need to know much, or anything, about perl to alter an existing tmake/qmake template to do what you want |
| 23:09:03 | kergoth | Neo|Work: propogate.t is just a hacked up ver of the app/lib templates in the tmakepath |
| 23:09:05 | Cam | I use make too, wonder why they needed Perl in there, make is pretty good at most things |
| 23:09:21 | kergoth | Cam: make is pretty limited in a lot of ways |
| 23:09:34 | Cam | kergoth: specifically? |
| 23:09:35 | Neo|Work | it's a template makefile generator, perl is fine |
| 23:09:45 | kergoth | Cam: I can see why they use perl for makefile generation.. gives tmake/qmake enough power to be sufficiently useful |
| 23:09:54 | Neo|Work | however that they didn't add support for custom rules w/o extending the generator is dumb |
| 23:09:57 | Cam | why not use... m4 |
| 23:10:36 | whardier | hi |
| 23:10:38 | kergoth | Neo|Work: true, direct support for custom rules would be nice.. perhaps qmake can do it, i havent used it much yet. if not, again its just a matter of modifying the template.. you could even create a template that can handle custom rules |
| 23:10:41 | kergoth | whardier: hey |
| 23:10:43 | whardier | the Zaurus is in the back page of this months playboy |
| 23:11:05 | Neo|Work | whardier: honestly? :P |
| 23:11:14 | Neo|Work | I don't believe anything anyone says today. ;-) |
| 23:11:14 | Cam | lol @ playboy |
| 23:11:17 | whardier | yeah |
| 23:11:27 | Neo|Work | kergoth: I looked at the files and well... Perl. ;-) |
| 23:11:31 | Neo|Work | whardier: scan it! ;-) |
| 23:11:53 | kergoth | Neo|Work: lol.. the templates arent THAT bad.. they're just hard to read. it is perl after all ;-) |
| 23:12:22 | Neo|Work | Right and with just about 0 (honestly) knowledge in Perl it's NOT easy. :P |
| 23:12:26 | kergoth | point taken |
| 23:12:55 | kergoth | my next project is definately using qmake, not tmake or autoconf/automake |
| 23:12:57 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:13:04 | Cam | just think of it as a slightly exotic shell script ;-) |
| 23:13:10 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:13:26 | Cam | <-- wish I knew autoconf better |
| 23:13:44 | kergoth | me too |
| 23:13:51 | kergoth | i only know the basics. i'm not a big fan of m4 |
| 23:14:17 | Cam | cos it seems the right tool for the job (I am a fan of m4) |
| 23:15:20 | Neo|Work | I know automake/autoconf/aclocal et al |
| 23:15:34 | Neo|Work | even automake allows custom rules with no knowledge except ordinary make |
| 23:16:02 | jperlow-sharp | ok. I am uploading a new 5000 kernel to ZaurusZone |
| 23:16:16 | Neo|Work | so the new update is simply a kernel image? |
| 23:16:33 | tux_mike | hrm... this can't be good... building is on fire downtown chicago. |
| 23:17:21 | Neo|Work | tux_mike: I can pretty much guess that's a bad thing in the general sense |
| 23:17:29 | tux_mike | yah, usually |
| 23:17:34 | ][N-Flux | man /.'ers bitch alot |
| 23:17:56 | tux_mike | ][N-Flux: never! |
| 23:18:01 | ][N-Flux | hehehe |
| 23:18:18 | Neo|Work | /, articles might have some value, but comments/ Nah |
| 23:18:24 | BigBoss | goody |
| 23:18:33 | tux_mike | BigBoss: ? |
| 23:18:34 | BigBoss | they swapped out our whole voice board at the house |
| 23:18:47 | BigBoss | now maybe my phone and internet will stop dropping out |
| 23:19:09 | Neo|Work | is away: mtg |
| 23:19:31 | tux_mike | but it looks like you have cable? |
| 23:19:42 | warmi | which building tux ? |
| 23:19:46 | warmi | I hope it is not mine |
| 23:20:01 | tux_mike | warmi: not sure, wabash and madison i think was the interssection |
| 23:20:28 | tux_mike | i caught a glipse on tv as i passed by. i don't have a tv in my room |
| 23:20:45 | warmi | that's on my way to union station |
| 23:20:50 | warmi | I will check it out |
| 23:21:10 | tux_mike | if you can get around there :) |
| 23:21:11 | warmi | man, it sucks out there .. snowing like it was middle of january |
| 23:21:43 | tux_mike | no kidding, 53 was backed up because of firggin I90, but then again, it always is. :) |
| 23:22:09 | BigBoss | 75 and clear here |
| 23:22:22 | tux_mike | grrr! :P |
| 23:23:43 | ][N-Flux | jperlow-sharp: what rom would that be |
| 23:27:02 | warmi | ha, he will never miss a chance to remind how it sucks up here |
| 23:27:04 | warmi | heh |
| 23:27:18 | tux_mike | nope |
| 23:27:21 | BigBoss | where are you anyway? |
| 23:27:27 | tux_mike | chicago |
| 23:27:27 | warmi | Chicago |
| 23:27:30 | BigBoss | I live in southern california for a reason |
| 23:27:33 | BigBoss | I love it :) |
| 23:27:40 | BigBoss | ocean 15 minutes away |
| 23:27:44 | BigBoss | desert 40 minutes away |
| 23:27:50 | BigBoss | mountains with snow 90 minutes away |
| 23:27:54 | BigBoss | mexico 90 minutes away |
| 23:28:02 | warmi | well, as I said before .... your mortage rates even things out |
| 23:28:05 | BigBoss | and I live at the base of a national forest and mountain |
| 23:28:19 | tux_mike | well, aren't you special |
| 23:28:33 | catalin | oh yeah, the one and only |
| 23:28:34 | warmi | what is it like $2000 for a studio aparment ? |
| 23:28:36 | BigBoss | 2600 square foot house with a 7200 square foot lot - $2100 a month |
| 23:28:45 | BigBoss | bought the house new 3.5 years ago |
| 23:28:56 | kergoth | BigBoss: damn, thats not bad at all |
| 23:29:10 | warmi | well, if all fails ... |
| 23:29:21 | warmi | there is always possible quake issue |
| 23:29:32 | BigBoss | i'd like a bigger lot, and you can certainly spend a lot on rent |
| 23:29:45 | warmi | in fact, that alone is reason enough to stop people even considering CA |
| 23:29:45 | BigBoss | I was renting out my old house for the last 3 years for $1,350 a month |
| 23:29:46 | catalin | quake in California ? never heared of it :) |
| 23:29:54 | BigBoss | 1250 square feet, 6600 square foot lot |
| 23:30:05 | BigBoss | earth quake lasts less than a minute |
| 23:30:11 | BigBoss | storms go on and on and on |
| 23:30:19 | kergoth | and on and on and on |
| 23:30:36 | kergoth | snowing out here again |
| 23:30:36 | BigBoss | I've lived as close as 10 miles to a major epicenter and nothing happened other than shaking |
| 23:31:02 | BigBoss | my other house was so close to disneyland we'd go outside to watch their fireworks in the summer |
| 23:31:09 | catalin | bb: yeah, I still remember the earthquake ~2.5 years ago that got you a 24 hours power outage :) |
| 23:31:11 | warmi | BigBoss: well, hopefully you will be lucky enough to live your whole life without encountering the big one |
| 23:31:11 | tux_mike | would hate to be caught in a quake |
| 23:31:20 | tux_mike | i'm afraid of things shaking under my feet |
| 23:31:24 | warmi | but there will be one ... it is just a matter of time |
| 23:32:04 | treke | tux_mike : beats hurricanes, at least earthquakes are over in a few seconds |
| 23:32:04 | BigBoss | I've been in 7.0 range |
| 23:32:21 | BigBoss | it can be spooky, but the odds of the earth opening up under you are pretty slim |
| 23:32:31 | BigBoss | and the construction here is built to take it |
| 23:32:44 | BigBoss | starts quaking, go outside and wait a few minutes and go back in |
| 23:32:44 | tux_mike | trebb: i like thunderstorms, i know a hurricane is louder and longer, but i think i'd be able to handle it. i'd freak out in a quake |
| 23:32:46 | BigBoss | no big deal |
| 23:32:55 | catalin | so the earth takes the whole building when it opens :) |
| 23:33:07 | warmi | treke: well, if you are dead or your entire house is gone within these few seconds ... is thar really better ? |
| 23:33:13 | tux_mike | s/trebb/treke |
| 23:33:25 | BigBoss | back in '72 I think it was, that was the big on in LA and you had streets break as one side dropped 2 feet from the other |
| 23:33:40 | treke | warmi : yup. At leasr you dont have time to worry about it |
| 23:34:10 | BigBoss | even that takes time, it's not like 1 second later |
| 23:34:20 | warmi | ah .... screw that , I would rather suffer Chicago winter than worry about frigging ground breaking up underneath my feet |
| 23:34:24 | BigBoss | besides, earthquakes happen all over the place |
| 23:34:45 | tux_mike | warmi: not to mention, chicago is a much better city than L.A. |
| 23:34:53 | BigBoss | what's sad is a 7.0 in LA might kill 2 people that have heart attacks, and a 5.0 in Mexico City will kill 10,000 people |
| 23:35:03 | BigBoss | I don't live in LA, and don't want to |
| 23:35:07 | BigBoss | I'm an hour south |
| 23:35:16 | kergoth | i despise the weather here |
| 23:35:19 | warmi | anyway, people say that california is going to disapear into the sea .. that's for all the sins .. |
| 23:35:21 | warmi | :-)) |
| 23:35:23 | tux_mike | closer to san deigo? |
| 23:35:34 | BigBoss | I use to live just south of Santa Monica next to the beach where I kept my sail boat - now that was nice |
| 23:35:50 | BigBoss | 75 minutes north of sandiego |
| 23:36:12 | tux_mike | likes chicago better anyway :P |
| 23:36:30 | tux_mike | if chicago had the weather of so cal, it'd be perfect :) |
| 23:36:38 | Cam | jperlow-sharp: do you know if Sharp have plans to attend the Linux Expo in Birmingham, UK? http://www.linuxexpobirmingham.com/ |
| 23:36:41 | warmi | hahaha |
| 23:36:46 | BigBoss | my grand parents all came here from chicago |
| 23:36:51 | BigBoss | still have some family there |
| 23:37:09 | warmi | well, tux: you are onto something here.. |
| 23:37:16 | Cam | jperlow-sharp: it would be nice to see some good publicity towards the european developers |
| 23:37:52 | warmi | maybe, if we put enough pressure on Daley ... he is known to make miracles happen |
| 23:37:53 | Cam | jperlow-sharp: and you could meet me and Paul Flinders who work only minutes away from the venu :-) |
| 23:38:13 | Twiun | Cam: When's the expo? |
| 23:38:37 | Cam | Twiun: at the end of May |
| 23:39:00 | Twiun | Hrmmm... weekend? |
| 23:39:07 | warmi | it is snowing so much I can't even see the lake |
| 23:39:42 | Cam | Twiun: wed 29th and Thu 30th of May |
| 23:40:01 | Twiun | Sorry about that... looking up the calendar now ;-) |
| 23:40:25 | Cam | I take it sharp aren't too bothered about attending |
| 23:40:40 | Cam | I wonder, maybe TT will think about going |
| 23:40:50 | tux_mike | warmi: here in the burbs it's slowing down, maybe it'll stop |
| 23:40:58 | Twiun | Hrmph... I probably won't be able to attend either |
| 23:41:05 | Twiun | It's right in the middle of the week |
| 23:41:10 | Cam | where are you based Tw? |
| 23:41:19 | Twiun | I'm in London |
| 23:41:42 | Cam | Right... it's unusual for these events to be in Brum, usually they're Olympia or something |
| 23:42:00 | Cam | and then I can't attend easily |
| 23:42:03 | Twiun | Yeah ;-) This time it's your turn |
| 23:42:04 | whardier | http://www.dynamism.com/libretto/index.shtml <- will be my bitch soon (i hope) |
| 23:42:10 | warmi | well at least I get to spend my working days at cool loking tower :-) |
| 23:42:14 | warmi | http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Coffeehouse/9167/chi006.htm |
| 23:42:50 | warmi | whardier: how much is that thing ? |
| 23:43:17 | whardier | $1800 - the os |
| 23:43:37 | warmi | crap .. |
| 23:43:40 | warmi | too much |
| 23:43:53 | warmi | tux_mike: it is not just a fire ... they claim it was an explosion |
| 23:44:00 | warmi | "Explosion wracks Loop office tower" |
| 23:44:48 | Twiun | Wow... the Z does NOT like running out of space in /home/root |
| 23:47:29 | Neo|Work | is back (gone 00:28:20) |
| 23:51:13 | Neo|Work | Twiun: I bet |
| 23:51:22 | warmi | time to go home to check out my new Z ... |
| 23:51:25 | warmi | bye |
| 23:51:58 | Twiun | ... one hard-reset later ... |
| 23:52:04 | Twiun | Everything's fine now |
| 23:52:08 | Twiun | grumbles |
| 23:57:55 | Neo|Work | anyone tried Intent? |
| 23:59:19 | Cam | what is it? Apart from hard to find with search engines? |
| 23:59:41 | bewmIES | whee |