| 00:24:09 | BigBoss | howdy ho |
| 00:27:19 | roge99 | hey BigBoss |
| 00:39:30 | scanline | is back (gone 10:27:36) |
| 00:44:31 | BigBoss | anyone have a tip for a good CF modem for the Z? |
| 00:47:38 | ljp_other | I don't know for sure, but anything from Socket is supposed to work |
| 00:52:05 | NeoTron | dammit |
| 00:52:16 | NeoTron | is there no way to see why ipkg install failed? |
| 00:52:21 | NeoTron | oh doh |
| 00:52:26 | NeoTron | too long names etc... |
| 00:52:38 | NeoTron | #$$@ dos $!@# |
| 00:54:19 | NeoTron | except that it doesn't seem to be the issue... |
| 00:55:15 | ljp_other | that guis just sucks,.. try it from the commandline |
| 00:55:29 | NeoTron | it works perfectly fine from the command line so it's not very helpful |
| 00:58:20 | NeoTron | I don't know what flags the app uses |
| 01:00:53 | ljp_other | same flags.. for some odd reason the gui detects an error... I've looked at the code.. its assinine |
| 01:01:38 | ljp_other | ooooo scarey movie |
| 01:01:40 | NeoTron | # /bin/sh /home/QtPalmtop/bin/ipkg -force-defaults -d tmpinst install /usr/mnt.rom/card/strategic_assault_beta7_arm.ipk |
| 01:01:41 | NeoTron | Unpacking strategic...Done. |
| 01:01:41 | NeoTron | Configuring strategic...Done. |
| 01:01:50 | NeoTron | I don't know what it does after that |
| 01:02:18 | ljp_other | the gui? |
| 01:02:26 | NeoTron | yes |
| 01:02:46 | NeoTron | the above installs it in a temporary directory |
| 01:02:47 | NeoTron | and that works |
| 01:02:53 | NeoTron | so something after that obviously fails |
| 01:03:08 | NeoTron | and it doesn't fail when installing to ram mind you |
| 01:03:54 | ljp_other | whats that error message? somethigns wrong? |
| 01:04:21 | NeoTron | if there was an error message I'd be happy. |
| 01:04:31 | NeoTron | "ipkg says something went wrong. Sorry." |
| 01:04:39 | NeoTron | I mean, what kind of a lame error is that anyway? |
| 01:06:29 | ljp_other | heh- yep |
| 01:06:47 | ljp_other | looks like qprocess is returning !ok for some reason |
| 01:07:19 | ljp_other | errpp.. nope not using qprocess.. system() |
| 01:08:50 | ljp_other | hmm.. looks like there's a workaround for a bug in Qy > 230 that is getting caught |
| 01:09:01 | NeoTron | how do you know? |
| 01:10:49 | ljp_other | source code |
| 01:11:02 | ljp_other | its likely to be similiar |
| 01:11:04 | NeoTron | yah, I just didn't see the source before but I'm looking at it now |
| 01:11:28 | ljp_other | I wonder what would happen if that line were commented out.. |
| 01:11:32 | NeoTron | system obviously returns a failure |
| 01:12:25 | ljp_other | I'm not real sure.. otherwise that #if QT_VERSION wouldn't be there.. |
| 01:12:39 | NeoTron | the error is set to FALSE if system returns != 0 |
| 01:13:02 | ljp_other | I think its the Qt bug |
| 01:13:06 | ljp_other | heh I dunno |
| 01:13:17 | NeoTron | the bug is probably related to the dialog rather than anything |
| 01:13:20 | ljp_other | they don't check for last error stuff |
| 01:13:23 | NeoTron | it's system that returns false |
| 01:13:34 | NeoTron | aha |
| 01:13:43 | NeoTron | qtf |
| 01:14:25 | ljp_other | hunch: I bet it tried to install an empty *it |
| 01:14:55 | ljp_other | they don't check to see if *it == NULL |
| 01:15:12 | ljp_other | heh I dunno... just guessing without checking it out |
| 01:15:22 | NeoTron | there is an error |
| 01:15:55 | ljp_other | in system? |
| 01:16:08 | NeoTron | started it from konsole |
| 01:16:27 | NeoTron | can't read /tmp..../strategic_assault.list |
| 01:16:32 | NeoTron | no such file or directory |
| 01:16:54 | ljp_other | that's an ipkg error? |
| 01:17:14 | NeoTron | it's by sed, but ipkg is shellscropt so |
| 01:17:51 | ljp_other | hmm.. why would it not happen when run by a commandline? |
| 01:18:13 | NeoTron | no clue |
| 01:18:15 | tux_mike | because i said so |
| 01:18:16 | ljp_other | you tyhink the cwd needs to be set to the ipkg dir? |
| 01:18:46 | ljp_other | they've updated ipkg in cvs to be a C binary |
| 01:19:20 | ljp_other | hunch #2_ needs to set cwd to where .ipk is |
| 01:19:52 | NeoTron | I see no directory setting in the binary |
| 01:20:16 | ljp_other | but running a script froma gui.. ? |
| 01:20:25 | ljp_other | heh again.. just talking out my ass |
| 01:20:51 | NeoTron | that is how ipkg works |
| 01:20:56 | NeoTron | and it worked before so something changed. |
| 01:22:13 | NeoTron | i.e I changed naming of files and it stopped working |
| 01:22:17 | NeoTron | since "sa" isn't such a great name |
| 01:28:24 | NeoTron | ./ipkg/inst/usr/lib/ipkg/info/strategic.list |
| 01:28:28 | NeoTron | odd |
| 01:28:36 | NeoTron | hmm |
| 01:28:42 | NeoTron | ipkg truncates it? |
| 01:33:04 | NeoTron | aha! |
| 01:33:58 | NeoTron | you can't have a _ in the name |
| 01:35:04 | ljp_other | WHAT?!?! really? |
| 01:35:09 | NeoTron | yes |
| 01:35:22 | NeoTron | ipkg finds the name of the package by looking for the first _... |
| 01:35:25 | ljp_other | heh-- every ipkg has a '_' in it! |
| 01:35:29 | NeoTron | well yes |
| 01:35:38 | NeoTron | but I'm talking about the name, before the version |
| 01:35:43 | ljp_other | ah |
| 01:35:52 | NeoTron | i.s foo_bar_1.0_arm_ipk -> package named foo |
| 01:35:54 | NeoTron | version bar |
| 01:35:56 | NeoTron | arch 1.0 |
| 01:35:57 | NeoTron | or so |
| 01:36:00 | NeoTron | I'm guessing |
| 01:36:04 | NeoTron | i.e fscked up :P |
| 01:44:12 | MSpin | has there been any talk of when the next OZ beta will be? |
| 01:58:15 | tux_mike | i need a name for my computer |
| 01:59:05 | BigBoss | pud whacker |
| 01:59:16 | tux_mike | nah |
| 01:59:25 | tux_mike | preferably anime.. |
| 01:59:33 | tux_mike | that's my theme |
| 02:02:26 | ljp_other | scooby_doo |
| 02:02:45 | tux_mike | hrm... i think mahoro |
| 02:03:00 | tux_mike | scooby_doo? fuck that! |
| 02:03:08 | ljp_other | no.. scooby_doo ! |
| 02:03:23 | tux_mike | um, no. |
| 02:04:32 | ljp_other | c'mon |
| 02:05:22 | tux_mike | no.d |
| 02:06:41 | ljp_other | heheheh |
| 02:22:01 | NeoTron | gah |
| 02:22:05 | NeoTron | what an annoying bug |
| 02:29:27 | NeoTron | seems like you can't ungrab the keyboard... |
| 02:29:31 | NeoTron | at least it doesn't seem like it works |
| 02:30:41 | ljp_other | nope.. but that's been fixed in qpe cvs.. just not on the Sharp rom's |
| 02:31:07 | NeoTron | ok. |
| 02:31:09 | NeoTron | lame. :P |
| 02:31:19 | NeoTron | not in the production version of sharp's rom even? |
| 02:31:37 | NeoTron | this means, I suppose, that I can't use it. :-( |
| 02:32:07 | tux_mike | what package isn't installing? |
| 02:32:54 | Hellaenergy | Anybody gotten QReader to run with the 1.12 rom? |
| 02:35:14 | tux_mike | it loads up for me |
| 02:35:18 | NeoTron | tux_mike: a package which had _ in the name |
| 02:35:24 | tux_mike | i haven't actuall tried a file in it |
| 02:37:14 | tux_mike | NeoTron: i wonder if there'll be a bejeweled game for the z |
| 02:37:28 | NeoTron | I tried to ask them about porting it but got no response |
| 02:37:31 | NeoTron | might try top cap games |
| 02:37:48 | tux_mike | top cap? |
| 02:37:53 | tux_mike | i thought it was pop cap? |
| 02:37:54 | NeoTron | or is it pop cap? |
| 02:38:12 | tux_mike | i want bejeweled! |
| 02:38:43 | tux_mike | NeoTron: i would settle for a clone *wink* *wink* |
| 02:38:44 | tux_mike | :) |
| 02:40:45 | NeoTron | it's down there somewhere on a possible todo. :P |
| 02:41:28 | tux_mike | i'll give you a dollar. :) |
| 02:43:36 | tux_mike | time to update my wine |
| 02:57:53 | joker | hi all |
| 02:58:11 | joker | eney hot single girls whant to chat |
| 02:58:28 | joker | with 17 male texas |
| 02:59:15 | NeoTron | what a moron |
| 03:00:49 | ][N-Flux | ugh |
| 03:00:52 | ][N-Flux | my box is a mess |
| 03:01:03 | ][N-Flux | work too much to even clane my own stuff up :P |
| 03:01:12 | ][N-Flux | hey all |
| 03:09:36 | Hellaenergy | is away: Sitin on the dock of the bay |
| 04:33:19 | tux_mike | dgod damnit. |
| 04:33:28 | tux_mike | i need a sample config for wine |
| 04:42:59 | tux_mike | gah |
| 04:43:48 | tux_mike | would this end! |
| 04:47:08 | ][N-Flux | is away: sleep.... |
| 05:37:13 | tux_mike | someone shoot me |
| 05:43:50 | NeoTron | ok |
| 05:43:59 | NeoTron | where should I send the bullet? :P |
| 06:01:39 | tux_mike | it's over! thank god, it's over! |
| 06:08:29 | NeoTron | This is odd |
| 06:08:42 | NeoTron | I open a dialog window and when I click the "x" instead of "ok" my program exits. |
| 06:08:44 | NeoTron | boggle |
| 06:13:50 | scanline | is away: fresh air and stuff |
| 07:04:18 | NeoTron | Soon to be released: nicely improved version of Strategic Assauult |
| 08:04:28 | scanline | is back (gone 01:50:38) |
| 08:12:05 | scanline | is away: rummaging for food... |
| 08:14:27 | NeoTron | is getting ready for a new Strategic Assault release |
| 08:23:28 | NeoTron | and it's out! |
| 08:39:20 | NeoTron | tap tap |
| 08:39:26 | NeoTron | zauruszone.com is S L O W |
| 08:52:39 | scanline | is back (gone 00:40:33) |
| 09:01:54 | NeoTron | ok, time to go to bed |
| 09:09:15 | NeoTron | is away: snooooore |
| 09:13:07 | NeoTron | is away: snooooore |
| 13:29:54 | scanline | is away: ZzZzZzzzzz |
| 13:34:34 | Twiun | everybash |
| 13:34:40 | Twiun | oops |
| 13:50:11 | weimer | is away: I'm busy |
| 14:27:59 | Kand-ALF | moin |
| 14:28:28 | Kand-ALF | anyone found a way to enable ethernet over usb with the 1.12/1.13 rom to a Linux desktop ? |
| 14:30:14 | ljp_work | stuck the net_fd.o from 1.02 in it and used CDCEther patch |
| 14:31:01 | Kand-ALF | lol, could you dcc me a copy ? I already flashed the 1.13 rom on and didn't download the net_fd.o before... |
| 14:31:02 | ljp_work | I've given up trying to use usbdnet |
| 14:31:33 | ljp_work | ok, hang on... I'm on my windws laptop.. I'll have to set some things up first |
| 14:31:42 | Kand-ALF | ok |
| 14:31:47 | Kand-ALF | thanks |
| 14:32:10 | Kand-ALF | I still have the cdcether driver working so I guess that would be the easiest to make it work then... |
| 14:32:28 | Kand-ALF | but what about usbdnet ? our guys got it working at CeBIT for their laptop |
| 14:33:02 | ljp_work | really? |
| 14:33:21 | Kand-ALF | yes |
| 14:34:06 | ljp_work | hmmm. |
| 14:38:05 | Kand-ALF | or could you mail it to nolden@kde.org ? |
| 14:38:14 | Kand-ALF | think my firewall won't allow dcc |
| 14:38:35 | ljp_work | ok,.. I just trying |
| 14:38:37 | Kand-ALF | ok, works |
| 14:38:43 | Kand-ALF | have it here, thanks |
| 14:38:48 | ljp_work | sure |
| 14:57:31 | Aelix | Hello |
| 14:58:32 | Aelix | Is there an IMAP/SSL email client for the Zaurus |
| 15:08:01 | Hellaenergy | is away: Sitin on the dock of the bay |
| 15:08:24 | bipolar | is back (gone 65:08:20) |
| 15:24:29 | Aelix | Anyone home? |
| 15:24:38 | Aelix | Sure is quiet today |
| 15:25:05 | warmi | Monday |
| 15:25:14 | Aelix | indeed |
| 15:25:21 | warmi | definately not most cherfull par to the week |
| 15:26:35 | Aelix | I asked earlier when nobody was around, is there an email client that can do IMAP with SSL auth? |
| 15:26:37 | Aelix | for the zaurus? |
| 15:27:41 | Aelix | I suppose I could compile Pine |
| 15:27:46 | warmi | sorry ,can't help you with that ... still waiting for my Z to arrive |
| 15:27:52 | Aelix | Yeah me too :) |
| 15:27:57 | Aelix | Should arrive tommorrow |
| 15:28:22 | catalin | aelix: you got a tracking number from TT ? |
| 15:28:28 | warmi | I am hoping for today ... |
| 15:28:31 | Aelix | Sorry Amazon |
| 15:28:46 | catalin | aelix: oh |
| 15:29:07 | Aelix | Are they giving out 5500's or 5000's to the winners? |
| 15:29:17 | warmi | 5000 |
| 15:29:30 | sieve | is back (gone 63:11:06) |
| 15:29:40 | sieve | moanin peeps |
| 15:29:42 | warmi | well, I would prefer 5500 but ,since it is free ... can't complain too much |
| 15:30:01 | Aelix | Well if you need a beta tester that has a 5500.. I'll help out :) |
| 15:30:44 | warmi | heh, supposedly these 5000s are flashed with production ROM |
| 15:31:16 | warmi | they better be , I want to Z to behave just like 5500 ( obvious differences like amonut of RAM aside) |
| 15:31:20 | catalin | you can download the production roms (1.12 & 1.13) from sharp's site as well |
| 15:31:32 | catalin | AFAIK |
| 15:32:04 | warmi | catalin: yeah, but I am lazy dude |
| 15:32:14 | catalin | oh well :) |
| 15:32:41 | warmi | I'd rather spend time perfecting my code than flashing ROMs |
| 15:32:43 | warmi | hehe |
| 15:33:31 | catalin | I'd rather spend time reading /. than perfecting my code |
| 15:33:42 | catalin | which I get makes me lazier than you :) |
| 15:33:51 | catalin | s/get/think |
| 15:34:03 | warmi | I got over my addiction to /. |
| 16:34:46 | Aelix | I have a question on getting internet access through the IR port and using a mobile phone.. (in the US) |
| 16:35:07 | Aelix | How does that work exactly? Can you call up any PPP provider, or do you have to have a special "internet" package? |
| 16:35:43 | warmi | I have a question too .... is there a graphical ftp client for Z ? |
| 16:36:20 | ljp_work | warmi: opieftp |
| 16:36:54 | warmi | but this is only available for people running opie or is it stand-alone client ? |
| 16:37:23 | ljp_work | I run it on sharp's rom's. Opies apps can run on the Z |
| 16:37:42 | warmi | yeah, but is there say ipkg with opieftp ? |
| 16:37:49 | ljp_work | yep |
| 16:38:03 | ljp_work | made last week I think |
| 16:38:21 | warmi | sorry, what's opie project URL again ? |
| 16:38:23 | ljp_work | if not, I can whip one up for you |
| 16:38:29 | | well, Opie is the German Palmtop Environment at http://opie.handhelds.org Vist the IRC channel #opie.de too! |
| 16:38:29 | ljp_work | ibot: Opie |
| 16:38:36 | bipolar | wtf |
| 16:38:51 | ljp_work | those silly Germans |
| 16:38:53 | | bipolar: I forgot opie |
| 16:38:53 | bipolar | ibot forget Opie |
| 16:39:11 | warmi | hhehe |
| 16:39:23 | | OK, bipolar. |
| 16:39:23 | bipolar | ibot: Opie Is at http://opie.handhelds.org and in Channel #Opie |
| 16:39:52 | Hellaenergy | What is the difference between the SL5500 and SL5500D? |
| 16:40:09 | ljp_work | you mean the 5000d? |
| 16:40:11 | bipolar | Hellaenergy: Ram size and Handcom office |
| 16:40:27 | Hellaenergy | no 5500d not 5000d |
| 16:40:34 | bipolar | there is no 5500D, is there/ |
| 16:40:35 | bipolar | ? |
| 16:40:53 | Hellaenergy | Here is a mail from the list |
| 16:40:54 | Hellaenergy | Hi, |
| 16:40:55 | Hellaenergy | On the German Zaurus portal, there are 3 models referenced in the subscription page: |
| 16:40:55 | Hellaenergy | - SL5500G |
| 16:40:55 | Hellaenergy | - SL5500D |
| 16:40:55 | Hellaenergy | - SL5500 |
| 16:40:55 | Hellaenergy | Are they the German version, a new Developper version and the US one? Should we see a new model appear every time the Zaurus appears on a national market? |
| 16:40:58 | ljp_work | not that I know |
| 16:40:58 | Hellaenergy | Pierre Métras |
| 16:40:59 | bipolar | D= development model. |
| 16:41:52 | Hellaenergy | I know that bipolar but what are the differences between 5500 and 5500D technically |
| 16:41:55 | bipolar | Does anyone know How to grab the cramfs image off of the Zaurus? What is the device that it's held on? |
| 16:42:22 | bipolar | Hellaenergy: I don't think the 5500D is released. I've never heard of it. |
| 16:43:04 | Hellaenergy | k |
| 16:43:32 | bipolar | Hellaenergy: there will be bigger, better Zauri to come. I have no details though. |
| 16:44:10 | Hellaenergy | That is what I am waiting for :) |
| 16:44:54 | bipolar | Not out till summer. |
| 16:45:22 | ljp_work | probably Autumn... :) |
| 16:45:46 | bipolar | good... that means I can be alpha geek longer.... |
| 16:52:24 | ljp_work | why does theKompany get all the press about Qtopia and development?? |
| 16:52:51 | warmi | they better keep basic compatibility intact between 5000D and future models |
| 16:53:11 | warmi | I don't wanna buy new development Z every time they release new model |
| 16:54:08 | catalin | ljp: err ? |
| 16:54:53 | ljp_work | in every article I see about Qtopia.. the only mention of development of qtopia apps is theKompany |
| 16:55:18 | catalin | ljp: maybe because they are advertising themselves ? |
| 16:58:34 | weimer | is back (gone 03:08:23) |
| 17:00:40 | ljp_work | advertising in news articles? |
| 17:01:31 | mandrake | no he means it's because they're more visible |
| 17:03:54 | Aelix | There will be a lot of development once the 5500 hits the streets.. |
| 17:04:24 | Aelix | The hardcore devs got the 5000 but the casual users and fly-by-night devs like me are waiting for the 5500 |
| 17:04:28 | bipolar | CDW does not know when they will get any 5500's in. Mid April they think. |
| 17:04:50 | Aelix | CDW already lost my business to Amazon on that one. |
| 17:05:59 | warmi | I wonder how well , as far as # units sold, Zs are doing on Amazon ? |
| 17:10:01 | tux_mike | did CDW at least get a part number for it? |
| 17:10:37 | bipolar | tux_mike: they know it's comming in. |
| 17:10:55 | mark_ | anyone get a Z today? |
| 17:10:58 | bipolar | tux_mike: but they don't have them yet. |
| 17:10:58 | tux_mike | their marketing can be a bunch of dumbasses. |
| 17:11:23 | bipolar | tux_mike: my acct rep is pretty good. But your right about the marketing dept |
| 17:11:24 | bipolar | :) |
| 17:11:38 | tux_mike | bipolar: i would know if it was later in the day, my friends there don't get in til noon |
| 17:11:56 | warmi | mark_: I have not yet |
| 17:12:07 | mark_ | warmi: gah, me neither |
| 17:12:17 | Hellaenergy | bipolar: just let me know when that 5500D comes out ;) |
| 17:12:19 | warmi | mark_: I remember you were playing around with porting some sort of TI calculcator or something like that |
| 17:12:25 | mark_ | warmi: indeed |
| 17:12:34 | tux_mike | bipolar: by any chance, do you know what the cdw stock number is on it? |
| 17:12:42 | bipolar | Hellaenergy: hehehe... it probbly will be exactly the same as the 5500. |
| 17:12:42 | warmi | do still have URL to the site with original code? |
| 17:12:56 | mark_ | warmi: gg: ti85emu |
| 17:12:59 | bipolar | tux_mike: No. I do not think they even have one yet. |
| 17:13:06 | tux_mike | damnit. |
| 17:13:59 | warmi | thanks |
| 17:14:14 | bipolar | tux_mike: they can't order them out. Sharp told them they are backordered already. |
| 17:14:22 | bipolar | s/out/yet |
| 17:14:37 | tux_mike | that's what they get for waiting so damned long |
| 17:14:39 | mark_ | warmi: you wanna port it? |
| 17:16:38 | bipolar | I've got a tarball here for kGPS. I can't even get it to compile on my box becouse it's made for KDE 1.X! |
| 17:16:52 | mark_ | bipolar: port it |
| 17:17:45 | bipolar | mark_: -sigh- I'm too stupid... :) |
| 17:18:29 | warmi | mark_: I am thinking about it |
| 17:18:46 | mark_ | warmi: well take what I've done as the basis |
| 17:18:52 | mark_ | although I should have time to finish it off soon |
| 17:18:54 | warmi | you still need original ROM for that and I don't have it |
| 17:19:05 | mark_ | warmi: no |
| 17:19:11 | mark_ | warmi: they are downloadable |
| 17:19:14 | mark_ | illegally |
| 17:19:48 | warmi | hehe |
| 17:20:20 | warmi | hmm ..... perhaps do you know where ?? |
| 17:20:22 | warmi | :-) |
| 17:20:35 | tux_mike | damn i hate how long it takes for xp in vmware to sync up |
| 17:21:22 | Hellaenergy | bipolar: The 5500D has to have a racing stripe on it. |
| 17:21:41 | warmi | wrawdanik@warmi.net |
| 17:21:47 | ljp_work | flames.. it needs flames |
| 17:21:57 | Hellaenergy | there you go |
| 17:22:09 | Hellaenergy | That would make me feel special |
| 17:22:17 | warmi | but I wonder how usefull this port will be if people cannot use it without ROM |
| 17:22:32 | mark_ | warmi: well i'll use it |
| 17:22:50 | tux_mike | hehe, it's funny. my dog will get up, just to lay back down :) |
| 17:23:46 | warmi | heh |
| 17:24:24 | warmi | mark_: so .. you already have done some porting right ? |
| 17:24:32 | Hellaenergy | Anyone here at J1? |
| 17:25:00 | warmi | Hellaenergy: trying to get someone to buy you cheap Zs ? |
| 17:25:01 | mark_ | warmi: yeh |
| 17:25:03 | warmi | hehe |
| 17:25:10 | warmi | mark_: send it over to me |
| 17:25:21 | warmi | I will play around and see if I can make it work |
| 17:25:33 | Hellaenergy | warmi: that would be nice |
| 17:25:49 | mark_ | warmi: gah I hate people stealing my projectgs ;) |
| 17:25:59 | warmi | oh, so you still working on it ? |
| 17:26:08 | warmi | I thought you abbandoned that |
| 17:26:22 | warmi | if that's the case then by all means, keep it going :-) |
| 17:26:49 | mark_ | warmi: yeh, i just haven't had time to do it |
| 17:27:19 | warmi | sorry, I seriously thought you just didn't want to work on it anymore |
| 17:27:23 | warmi | :-) |
| 17:28:14 | mark_ | heh, no probs |
| 17:28:18 | tux_mike | i really don't understand why the default action with fonts (no matter the location) in 2k or xp is move, and not copy |
| 17:29:30 | Aelix | Where can I download qtopia desktop for linux? It is free isn't it? |
| 17:30:13 | mark_ | warmi: i did a bit of work on it the other day, I need to objectise the code though |
| 17:30:33 | Aelix | nm find out |
| 17:30:37 | Aelix | err |
| 17:30:40 | Aelix | nevermind, found it. |
| 17:31:40 | warmi | mark_: once you done with it, let us know ... or better yet, post it on myzaurus.com or something like that |
| 17:32:28 | mark_ | warmi: yeh, I will. i'm going away next week, and hope to do it then - as long as I can fit a build env on a 128Mb cf card |
| 17:32:55 | warmi | huh ? compiling on Z itself ? you are a brave man :-) |
| 17:33:33 | mark_ | no reason it shouldn't work |
| 17:34:12 | warmi | well, it will but it won't be the most comfortable dev enviroment around |
| 17:34:23 | warmi | gcc doing C++ needs a lot of RAM :-) |
| 17:34:47 | warmi | and 5000 are not known to have plenty of free memory after everything is up and running |
| 17:34:54 | mark_ | I have an ipaq |
| 17:34:58 | mark_ | so 32 Meg ram |
| 17:35:18 | warmi | you have a Zs .... |
| 17:35:21 | mark_ | not yet |
| 17:35:27 | warmi | well, at least you should have :-) |
| 17:35:30 | mark_ | and my ipaq has more ram |
| 17:35:36 | mark_ | coz of the way the Z is organized |
| 17:35:45 | warmi | right |
| 17:36:00 | warmi | what do you run on that ipaq ... Qtopia ? |
| 17:36:07 | mark_ | yeh |
| 17:36:32 | mark_ | 7Mb ram used |
| 17:36:33 | tux_mike | hrm... |
| 17:36:59 | tux_mike | anyone have any idea where to get the ttc->ttf converter? |
| 17:39:48 | Hellaenergy | www.xxx.com |
| 17:44:07 | Hellaenergy | :) |
| 17:57:38 | Neo|Work | morning |
| 17:59:29 | warmi | hi |
| 17:59:49 | warmi | did you get your QDirectPainter code working on Z yet ? |
| 18:00:55 | Neo|Work | yes |
| 18:01:14 | Neo|Work | my problem was that I misunderstood the layout of the screen so I did indeed paint outside of the buffer |
| 18:01:26 | Neo|Work | sent a snipped of code to zaurus general list this morning |
| 18:01:34 | warmi | isn't this standard top to bottom , left to right layout ? |
| 18:01:35 | Neo|Work | had to do rotation as well |
| 18:01:39 | Neo|Work | o |
| 18:01:50 | Neo|Work | "top right corner" is in the bottom left |
| 18:01:54 | warmi | I don't support rotation in my game |
| 18:02:03 | warmi | it simply doesn't make sense, won't fit |
| 18:02:05 | warmi | :-) |
| 18:02:07 | Neo|Work | with x = 0, y = 240 == bottom right |
| 18:02:33 | Neo|Work | i.e, "x" is height and y is width, starting at bottom left |
| 18:03:05 | Neo|Work | it did speed up the drawing about 4 times tho |
| 18:03:15 | warmi | no crap :-) |
| 18:03:19 | Neo|Work | despite not being able to use memcpy etc |
| 18:03:28 | warmi | I won't do any QDirect for my game for the contest |
| 18:03:34 | Neo|Work | note that the other drawing is two QImage's to display |
| 18:03:39 | warmi | but I will for my remake of River Raid which I am doing |
| 18:03:51 | Neo|Work | so if you use qpixmaps it won't be as much of a difference I'd say |
| 18:04:01 | Neo|Work | for Eligo, there is no reason to use it |
| 18:04:08 | Neo|Work | only when you have some sort of raw image data |
| 18:04:26 | warmi | well, but qpixmaps won't let you do a lot of cool things like transparency etc .. without endless transfers between QImage and QPixmap |
| 18:04:29 | Neo|Work | or need to use QImages for whatever reason |
| 18:04:38 | Neo|Work | exactly |
| 18:05:16 | warmi | I still don't have Z |
| 18:05:34 | Neo|Work | where are you? |
| 18:06:19 | warmi | Chicago |
| 18:06:32 | Aelix | Yeah mine is still in KY intl airport |
| 18:06:51 | warmi | looking at your code, for QDirect transfer , it would make sense to keep images in Z buffer format |
| 18:07:11 | warmi | then you could do transfer using 4 bytes at a time or so |
| 18:07:21 | warmi | or even do memcpy |
| 18:07:23 | warmi | ;-) |
| 18:07:35 | Neo|Work | right |
| 18:07:49 | Neo|Work | but then all your drawing would have to be "rotated". :-P |
| 18:08:00 | warmi | anyway, I am learning Arm ASM now .. just waiting for my Z to test it out |
| 18:08:01 | Neo|Work | the movie player simply plays back sideways btw |
| 18:08:22 | warmi | this kind of transfer is best done in ASM , usually with 5-6 lines of code |
| 18:08:55 | warmi | do you know what kind of format is RGB on Z ? |
| 18:09:22 | Neo|Work | yes |
| 18:09:25 | Neo|Work | RGB565 |
| 18:09:29 | Neo|Work | standard 16 bpp |
| 18:09:36 | warmi | great |
| 18:10:08 | Neo|Work | if you could write a rotating asm blitter for this purpose, I'd love you forever. heheh./ :P |
| 18:10:20 | warmi | that's what I am going to do |
| 18:10:20 | Neo|Work | anyhow, seems to take about 20 ms to copy both buffers, as a FYI |
| 18:10:28 | warmi | in fact I am writing standard blitter |
| 18:10:32 | Neo|Work | I think my routine is pretty much as fast as a C-one can get |
| 18:10:40 | tux_mike | hrm.. anyone know how to build QT with freetype support? |
| 18:10:41 | warmi | blitter with transparecy ( based on pixel value) |
| 18:10:46 | Neo|Work | I removed all calculations from the inner loop which gained me 50% |
| 18:10:52 | warmi | and alpha ( blending) blitter |
| 18:11:09 | warmi | yeah, yours is fast |
| 18:11:19 | Neo|Work | you mean blitting of 32 bpp images with alpa? because 16 bpp images don't have alpha |
| 18:11:34 | warmi | blending two images using predefined % |
| 18:11:39 | Neo|Work | ah |
| 18:11:49 | Neo|Work | ok, makes sense. :P |
| 18:11:52 | warmi | great for transparent smoke etc .. |
| 18:12:06 | Neo|Work | yeah |
| 18:12:06 | warmi | I have code for this in C using Qimage which I use in my game right now |
| 18:12:23 | warmi | but it is not optimal because of lot of QImage->QPixmap etc |
| 18:12:44 | Neo|Work | one thing that both SDL and QT misses is ability to blit with an image and a separate alpha image (i.e grayscale, or even, for funky effects, color) |
| 18:13:04 | warmi | as far as your blitter .. |
| 18:13:11 | mark_ | Aelix: how do you know its there? |
| 18:13:32 | warmi | you might want to precalculate last value for dest pointer |
| 18:13:54 | warmi | and then just increase both pointers doing something like ( while Dpointer!=endValueOfDPointer) |
| 18:14:02 | warmi | this way there is no need for loop variable |
| 18:14:11 | mark_ | warmi: email again please |
| 18:14:18 | warmi | wrawdanik@warmi.net |
| 18:14:28 | Neo|Work | warmi: yah, thought about that. :P |
| 18:14:46 | warmi | but this stuff Neo, is best done doing diassembly and comparing what you get with each code |
| 18:14:52 | Neo|Work | but I didn't bother yesterday since it would be a small gain (but worth it in general I'd say) |
| 18:15:00 | Neo|Work | true |
| 18:15:02 | warmi | it is hard to quess what compiler will do |
| 18:15:05 | Neo|Work | that's the hardcore way. :P |
| 18:15:07 | mark_ | warmi: send |
| 18:15:07 | Neo|Work | compare asm |
| 18:15:07 | warmi | especially GCC |
| 18:15:18 | warmi | mark_: ?? |
| 18:15:28 | tux_mike | hrm... i hope i can get this working. i really want to make some qpfs out of msgothic |
| 18:15:31 | Neo|Work | I'm so not an asm person though but, believe it or not, the Zaurus might be what entices me to learn it |
| 18:15:49 | Neo|Work | at least to a more than my very basic understanding that I have today |
| 18:16:00 | mark_ | warmi: i meant sent |
| 18:16:21 | warmi | asm is easy ... In fact when I moved from ASM to C I used pointers almost exclusively for everything .... they were very familiar to me from ASM |
| 18:16:49 | warmi | mark_: thanks |
| 18:17:03 | tux_mike | pointers are your friend. i cant get around in languages without them :) |
| 18:17:10 | warmi | tux_mike: yep |
| 18:17:31 | warmi | Neo|Work: ARM has pdf book with all mnemonics and rudimentary description |
| 18:17:35 | tux_mike | hrm... |
| 18:17:40 | BigBoss | anyone know where to buy a CF modem card? |
| 18:17:49 | mark_ | warmi: no its not, its going though |
| 18:17:54 | warmi | enough for me but if you have never done ASM before you might want to look over some generic ASM book |
| 18:18:35 | warmi | mark_: I am thinking ahead :-) |
| 18:19:02 | warmi | mark_: I got it now, thanks |
| 18:19:16 | mark_ | warmi: cool |
| 18:19:48 | tux_mike | BigBoss: local or mail order? |
| 18:20:43 | BigBoss | either |
| 18:20:52 | mark_ | anyone know of an arm tmake |
| 18:21:16 | Aelix | Do SD cards only go to 128MB? |
| 18:21:32 | Hellaenergy | Aelix: they are making a 256 |
| 18:21:36 | mark_ | Aelix: how do you know where ur pda is? |
| 18:21:45 | Aelix | UPS tracking ID |
| 18:21:48 | warmi | he ordered from Amazon |
| 18:21:50 | Hellaenergy | mark_: check the zauruszone devloper resources |
| 18:22:05 | tux_mike | BigBoss: http://www.cdw.com/shop/products/default.asp?EDC=316380\ |
| 18:22:09 | tux_mike | BigBoss: http://www.cdw.com/shop/products/default.asp?EDC=316380 |
| 18:22:48 | Hellaenergy | mark_: yes there is a tmake for arm |
| 18:23:21 | mark_ | Hellaenergy: good |
| 18:23:55 | Hellaenergy | mark_: right on!! |
| 18:24:08 | Neo|Work | warmi: I have extremely limited asm skills indeed. :P |
| 18:25:40 | Neo|Work | Do you own a: Porshe Boxter Silver license: 922 JOY? |
| 18:25:41 | Neo|Work | If so, you have a flat tire on the passenger side. |
| 18:25:41 | Neo|Work | Thank you, |
| 18:25:43 | Neo|Work | HAHAHA. :P |
| 18:25:43 | Hellaenergy | IntellSync for SL sux shit |
| 18:26:01 | Neo|Work | someone has a flat tire (at work) ! :-) |
| 18:26:06 | BigBoss | thanks tux |
| 18:26:11 | Neo|Work | serves them right for owning such a nice car. hehe |
| 18:26:27 | Hellaenergy | I hope they don't plan on releasing this crap to the end users |
| 18:26:56 | tux_mike | BigBoss: no prob |
| 18:27:03 | Neo|Work | I haven't even bothered trying to do syncing yet |
| 18:27:08 | Neo|Work | of course, been too busy hacking |
| 18:27:29 | Hellaenergy | Its a window$ app |
| 18:28:15 | Hellaenergy | Has there been any further work done on incorporating (syncing) Evolution? |
| 18:30:40 | Hellaenergy | roge99: whats up? |
| 18:30:48 | Hellaenergy | you there? |
| 18:30:58 | warmi | Hellaenergy: what's evolution ? |
| 18:31:15 | Hellaenergy | www.ximian.com |
| 18:31:22 | Hellaenergy | Its outlook for linux |
| 18:31:49 | Hellaenergy | free of course :) |
| 18:31:49 | warmi | , oh right .. that outlook clone |
| 18:31:56 | tux_mike | it's outlook++ |
| 18:32:02 | Hellaenergy | :) |
| 18:32:19 | Hellaenergy | They already have a palm pilot syncing software for it |
| 18:32:40 | Hellaenergy | I want my z to sync it |
| 18:33:01 | Hellaenergy | roge99 wrote a perl script to do it but I never could get it to work |
| 18:33:29 | tux_mike | the addres one was kinda backwards too |
| 18:35:03 | warmi | With Ximian Connector installed, Ximian Evolution functions as a Microsoft Exchange 2000 client, seamlessly integrated with Exchange calendaring and other mail storage and mail handling features. |
| 18:35:14 | warmi | I wonder how well that feature works.. |
| 18:35:21 | Neo|Work | is there a new sd-home rom for 1.12/13 yet? |
| 18:35:47 | Hellaenergy | yup its in the normal place now |
| 18:35:47 | Neo|Work | I've noticed that I want more memory (running gdb on the Z sucked up memory heh) and more "home" disk due to broken pkgs. |
| 18:35:53 | roge99 | yo Hellaenergy -- sorry been running around |
| 18:35:58 | roge99 | whats up |
| 18:36:12 | Hellaenergy | I was tring to get your sync script to work |
| 18:36:15 | Hellaenergy | and failed |
| 18:36:17 | roge99 | ahhhhh |
| 18:36:29 | roge99 | what kinda problems you haven |
| 18:36:46 | Hellaenergy | I sec I'll do it again |
| 18:37:23 | Hellaenergy | We were just taking about getting this intergrated in Evolution |
| 18:37:49 | roge99 | getting what integrated |
| 18:37:55 | tux_mike | that woudl be great to have Z syncing with evo. full, transparent syncing |
| 18:38:44 | roge99 | well evo acutally uses a personl calendar server called wombat |
| 18:39:02 | roge99 | if you could talk with that you could sync w/ evo |
| 18:39:07 | roge99 | seamlessly |
| 18:39:18 | Hellaenergy | how was working with it any problems |
| 18:39:21 | danimo | hiho |
| 18:39:29 | roge99 | it uses corba |
| 18:39:31 | Hellaenergy | themaryoh |
| 18:39:47 | roge99 | my script is kinda a hack |
| 18:39:53 | roge99 | you have to stop wombat |
| 18:40:03 | roge99 | then this syncs w/ the db file |
| 18:40:32 | Hellaenergy | ah that was the problem |
| 18:40:51 | tux_mike | roge99: do you know how to interface with wombat? |
| 18:40:59 | roge99 | no |
| 18:41:35 | roge99 | im not much for c |
| 18:41:56 | roge99 | and thers little documentation ( if any ) |
| 18:42:15 | tux_mike | if we had a daemon on the pc, that would fix it |
| 18:42:18 | roge99 | i know it uses corba |
| 18:42:48 | Hellaenergy | roge99: I get this error everytime when running sync |
| 18:42:51 | Hellaenergy | Could not open control file Ill do my best! |
| 18:42:51 | Hellaenergy | getting file |
| 18:43:09 | danimo | who is having problems with getting the usbdnet support to work? |
| 18:43:10 | Hellaenergy | Then it hangs for like 7min |
| 18:43:24 | Hellaenergy | danimo: everyone |
| 18:43:37 | roge99 | Hellaenergy: its trying to get the file from the Z what transport are you using |
| 18:43:38 | danimo | Hellaenergy: what exactly is the problem? |
| 18:43:57 | roge99 | it will do scp or the builtin ftp server |
| 18:44:15 | Neo|Work | danimo: I had problems which turned out to be: 1, too old ROM (fix: upgraded rom), 2. bad uhci driver (fix, switched to usb-uhci from uhci) |
| 18:44:17 | Hellaenergy | oh ok |
| 18:44:19 | Neo|Work | now it works |
| 18:44:26 | Hellaenergy | I think I know the problem |
| 18:44:32 | Hellaenergy | oops |
| 18:44:33 | roge99 | it builds a control file after it syncs for the first time |
| 18:44:49 | Hellaenergy | evolution.db.db |
| 18:44:59 | Hellaenergy | It built that |
| 18:45:11 | danimo | Neo|Work: ah, the only problem we encountered was a merging error with the SuSE kernel |
| 18:45:17 | roge99 | hmmm are you usning the stock redhat perl |
| 18:45:35 | Neo|Work | danimo: ah. Nope, my kernel (mandrake) comes with the usbdnet module |
| 18:45:37 | Hellaenergy | was not anymore |
| 18:45:41 | Neo|Work | so I didn't need to compile anything |
| 18:45:42 | Hellaenergy | why? |
| 18:46:25 | roge99 | i think that verson was built with an older sleepycat db version |
| 18:46:41 | Hellaenergy | ah |
| 18:46:46 | Hellaenergy | I am using 5.6.1 now |
| 18:46:58 | roge99 | did you build it |
| 18:47:04 | Hellaenergy | yup |
| 18:47:24 | Hellaenergy | I used the Perl update mod |
| 18:47:41 | roge99 | what version of seepycat libs do you have |
| 18:47:49 | Hellaenergy | hmmmmm |
| 18:47:55 | roge99 | evo uses newer ones |
| 18:48:12 | Hellaenergy | 3.2.9 |
| 18:48:53 | roge99 | that should be goo |
| 18:48:57 | roge99 | good even |
| 18:49:06 | Hellaenergy | hmmmmmm |
| 18:49:15 | Hellaenergy | i have to wait till I get home anyways |
| 18:49:25 | Hellaenergy | thanks for your help roge99 |
| 18:49:33 | roge99 | ill be around tonight -- gimme a shout |
| 18:49:38 | Hellaenergy | cool |
| 18:50:03 | tux_mike | damn i suck. 0 for 8 in cd to garbage can chucking |
| 18:50:17 | Hellaenergy | Anyone else here had problems with the KDE headers having c comments |
| 18:50:52 | ljp_work | only when you mix the two.. |
| 18:51:08 | Hellaenergy | what do you mean ljp? |
| 18:51:25 | tux_mike | damn. i never backed up my decompiled msgothic.ttc |
| 18:51:26 | Hellaenergy | both // and /* |
| 18:51:50 | ljp_work | well.. may not mix the two... yep |
| 18:52:14 | ljp_work | I think.. if you start a line with // and then have a /* it'll mess up |
| 18:52:26 | Hellaenergy | I have not touched the kde headers and I still get * errors |
| 18:52:28 | ljp_work | or something like that |
| 18:53:04 | ljp_work | hmmmm |
| 18:54:11 | ljp_work | are you using gcc or g++ ? |
| 18:54:18 | Hellaenergy | g++ arm |
| 18:56:08 | Hellaenergy | "/usr/include/kde/kapp.h:120: parse error before `*'" |
| 18:57:38 | Hellaenergy | and how come if I include a header file in a different location and that header file includes one in its same directory it won't find it even though its in its same cwd |
| 19:01:01 | Hellaenergy | I never thought I'd say this but, I hate these frickin comments |
| 19:05:31 | Hellaenergy | Here is line 120 ? |
| 19:05:34 | Hellaenergy | KApplication(Display *display, int& argc, char** argv, const QCString& rAppName, |
| 19:05:34 | Hellaenergy | bool allowStyles=true, bool GUIenabled=true); |
| 19:06:10 | BigBoss | any Opie people in here? Someone tried tkcJabber on an iPaq with Opie and it didn't work |
| 19:06:40 | tux_mike | BigBoss: i would run opie, if kergoth would put OZ3 out :) |
| 19:07:38 | BigBoss | I know the few reports I've had of our stuff is that it worked on Opie and it worked on the iPaq, but I don't know anyone actually using Opie on an iPaq |
| 19:08:14 | ljp_work | opie opie |
| 19:09:14 | BigBoss | is that a chant? :) |
| 19:09:34 | ljp_work | heh- I suppose. |
| 19:11:01 | ljp_work | I know of several people using opie on ipaqs. Most of the developers working on it do |
| 19:11:32 | BigBoss | anyone that would be willing to check out tkcJabber on it? |
| 19:12:24 | tux_mike | BigBoss: i'll try it if i can get opie installed on the sharp rom |
| 19:12:48 | ljp_work | it should work. we arent entending libqte or libqpe at all |
| 19:13:05 | ljp_work | ya. I'm also waiting for OZ... |
| 19:13:18 | tux_mike | libopie still doesn't compile for me. |
| 19:13:24 | ljp_work | heh extending |
| 19:13:50 | ljp_work | really? have to cvs up -PdA ? |
| 19:14:06 | tux_mike | will PdA keep any of my changes? |
| 19:14:25 | ljp_work | BB: no one seems awake in #opie right now. |
| 19:14:42 | BigBoss | darn |
| 19:14:49 | ljp_work | it will merge |
| 19:14:57 | BigBoss | I'd like to see if tkcJabber works on the iPaq with a regular sharp rom first |
| 19:15:05 | BigBoss | if it does, then it would illustrate a problem in opie |
| 19:15:26 | ljp_work | ipaq wont have a sharp rom on it |
| 19:16:02 | Neo|Work | anyone happen to know what buttons an ipaq has? |
| 19:16:10 | Neo|Work | and what keycodes they have? |
| 19:16:11 | tux_mike | ljp_work: what woudl the command be to send my stuff back to the cvs server? |
| 19:16:28 | ljp_work | do you have write access? |
| 19:16:28 | Neo|Work | mainly, is there an equivalent to the Zaurus "space" (d-pad button) on the ipaq? |
| 19:16:51 | tux_mike | ljp_work: yah, bipolar gave it to me over the weekend |
| 19:17:12 | tux_mike | NeoTron: you press the whole pad to create an enter |
| 19:17:42 | ljp_work | cvs commit... its best to do that from the dir you are working in |
| 19:18:13 | tux_mike | just have the cvs vars set, and do a commit? |
| 19:18:21 | tux_mike | and be logged in |
| 19:18:27 | Neo|Work | tux_mike: ah, so it generates an enter event then? |
| 19:18:37 | tux_mike | AFAIK |
| 19:18:41 | ljp_work | you need ssh set up right |
| 19:18:45 | Neo|Work | I should add support for that in Strategic Assault (hold + click with stylus to move view) |
| 19:18:59 | tux_mike | ljp_work: i have a key, and gave the pubkey to bipolar |
| 19:19:17 | ljp_work | cvs commit should work... |
| 19:19:29 | ljp_work | what have you been working on? |
| 19:19:35 | tux_mike | address book |
| 19:19:44 | ljp_work | unless the cvs server is down still |
| 19:19:55 | Neo|Work | internet is wonderful. listening to german shoutcast techo channel. :P |
| 19:19:58 | Neo|Work | or trance or what not |
| 19:20:05 | Neo|Work | and now they have some ads in german. heh |
| 19:21:22 | ljp_work | I like the radio station in Iceland... |
| 19:21:47 | Neo|Work | I generally listen to digitally imported |
| 19:21:52 | Neo|Work | what is on iceland? |
| 19:22:07 | Neo|Work | I remember when iceland has a whopping 19kbps connection to the world |
| 19:23:06 | Neo|Work | http://www.atariarchives.org/bcc1/showpage.php?page=106 <== read the text under the happy face. Funny. :P |
| 19:26:12 | tux_mike | i hate my college's web registration. it always takes so damn long |
| 19:28:33 | finkployd | is working on the web registration (actually the web EVERTHING) for his university |
| 19:29:11 | tux_mike | my college is so friggin backwards it's unbelivable |
| 19:29:37 | MEGASTeP | is back (gone 63:29:00) |
| 19:29:41 | tux_mike | and i don't want to have to talk to one of those idiots to register for my classes |
| 19:29:49 | BigBoss | is java1 this week? |
| 19:29:56 | fusion94 | BigBoss: yep |
| 19:30:01 | fusion94 | started today at 10:00 |
| 19:31:39 | BigBoss | ok |
| 19:31:42 | BigBoss | thanks |
| 19:32:22 | ep0ch | evening all |
| 19:36:35 | tux_mike | yippie. i'm running from building to building this quarter |
| 19:38:47 | ep0ch | anyone got the hancom suite? |
| 19:39:16 | BigBoss | i do :) |
| 19:39:25 | ep0ch | you want to send it to me? :) |
| 19:39:48 | BigBoss | can't - no .ipk files |
| 19:40:20 | finkployd | do 5000d owners get Hancom Office? Did anyone figure that out yet? |
| 19:40:26 | ep0ch | i take it you have the ROM with hancom suite? |
| 19:40:28 | BigBoss | i've never heard |
| 19:40:41 | BigBoss | i *had* a rom |
| 19:40:54 | finkployd | I had hancom office for almost 3 days :( |
| 19:42:58 | ep0ch | but? |
| 19:43:14 | peanut | ouch.. looks like this whole hancom thing is getting messy |
| 19:43:31 | ep0ch | yeah they should give it to us |
| 19:43:44 | peanut | thinks this is very wrong.. |
| 19:44:02 | finkployd | I had it after LinuxWorld when the helpful booth babes updated my rom to the one they had. Then I downloaded the one on Sharp's site cause I though it was newer |
| 19:44:11 | peanut | i.e. sell the 5000 at 199 at the javaone conference (thus all of us are left with overpriced systems) |
| 19:44:30 | ep0ch | dont they come with wireless too? |
| 19:44:35 | peanut | so basically we paid 100 dollars less to get no hancom (which will probably sell for 25-30 dollars) and 32mb less ram |
| 19:44:40 | kendrick2 | $299 for SL-5000D + 802.11b |
| 19:44:45 | kendrick2 | $199 for SL-5000D |
| 19:44:54 | peanut | thats what i said.. |
| 19:44:57 | peanut | 199 for the 5000 |
| 19:44:59 | kendrick2 | and a crappier ac charger and crappier stylus ;) |
| 19:45:05 | peanut | yup.. |
| 19:45:10 | peanut | wonders where jason is.. |
| 19:45:14 | peanut | thinks we got fucked |
| 19:45:17 | fusion94 | kendrick2: you aren't at java1 are you ? |
| 19:45:18 | ep0ch | what they've changed the stylus???? |
| 19:45:21 | BigBoss | javaone |
| 19:45:22 | ep0ch | now i'm pissed!! |
| 19:45:22 | finkployd | Yeah, Sharp (while I really appreciate what they are trying to do) is just consistantly screwing with the people who bought into their developer model |
| 19:45:22 | kendrick2 | hell no! |
| 19:45:35 | kendrick2 | finkployd ... what about us Agenda owners!? |
| 19:45:52 | finkployd | Agenda? |
| 19:46:01 | fusion94 | kendrick2: well, that was a mistake on your part :P |
| 19:46:02 | peanut | yes, agenda owners are even more fucked |
| 19:46:04 | kendrick2 | yep... got a VR3... already went through 2 cases |
| 19:46:08 | Neo|Work | they want to get rid of their old stock, thus the cheap price |
| 19:46:09 | kendrick2 | hey... i really liked the agenda |
| 19:46:17 | kendrick2 | yeah... i dont see what's wrong with it |
| 19:46:27 | kendrick2 | i mean, things go for cheaper after time has passed |
| 19:46:30 | kendrick2 | big whoop |
| 19:46:37 | Neo|Work | right |
| 19:46:43 | roge99 | you can modify a stylus from a visor to fit the Z |
| 19:46:51 | Neo|Work | I see nothing wrong with that part. and they improved the charger - so get a new one. :P |
| 19:47:13 | Neo|Work | I do agree that the stylus is rather pathetic however |
| 19:47:16 | roge99 | just cut off 3/8" from the end |
| 19:47:22 | roge99 | fits perfect |
| 19:47:31 | finkployd | I think my only real complaint about Sharp is how horrible they are about communicating with us |
| 19:47:33 | Neo|Work | but then again, default palm styluses are generally not that great (visor edge excluded) |
| 19:47:40 | kendrick2 | they ARE? |
| 19:47:43 | Neo|Work | the stylus is too short |
| 19:48:00 | kendrick2 | i mean, they probably had a plan drawn out from the beginning |
| 19:48:11 | Neo|Work | which can't be fixed if you want it to fit |
| 19:48:13 | kendrick2 | the trolltech guys have been fairly good about accepting suggestions for changes |
| 19:48:21 | Neo|Work | so I need some carrier which can hold a good stylus |
| 19:48:21 | roge99 | i have some after-market visor ones that are metal w/ platic ends that are nice |
| 19:48:32 | finkployd | I mean if the come out and say Hancom Office will not be available for 5000, fine. But say SOMETHING. |
| 19:48:44 | Neo|Work | roge99: ditto. the visor edge stylus is all metal though (except tip) very nice |
| 19:48:50 | kendrick2 | fink - true.. but, like, who did you ASK? |
| 19:48:58 | BigBoss | well I've been trying to get Hancom to say something about it for the last 6 weeks |
| 19:49:02 | finkployd | I also note that the Booth people at LWE promised us that we would get all the software that comes with the 5500, including Hancom |
| 19:49:04 | BigBoss | the web site doesn't even say it's bundled |
| 19:49:06 | kendrick2 | i mean, i have some sharp people's biz cards |
| 19:49:12 | BigBoss | and they really need a policy for the developer units |
| 19:49:30 | finkployd | kendrick2: It has been asked on every web board (Sharp's & Jason's) plus the mailing list several times |
| 19:49:34 | BigBoss | I thought they would bundle it |
| 19:49:34 | roge99 | Neo|Work: these have plasic at both ends and if you cut alittle off its the exact same as the z's |
| 19:49:39 | finkployd | not to mention how many times it has been asked in here |
| 19:49:52 | peanut | ok.. |
| 19:49:56 | BigBoss | go read their web site, I haven't been able to get them to fix the english yet |
| 19:49:59 | peanut | i'm not arguing that prices shouldn't go down.. |
| 19:50:01 | BigBoss | 2 months of asking |
| 19:50:09 | Neo|Work | roge99: that's one problem with the Z though - stylus made for minature hands. :P |
| 19:50:14 | peanut | what i'm arguing is that when i (and others) bought this, we though that essentially the price difference was ram only |
| 19:50:18 | kendrick2 | crap .. no sharp biz cards on me here at work :^( |
| 19:50:33 | BigBoss | i've got some sharp biz cards - what do you need? |
| 19:50:38 | peanut | i.e. we would get all of the software applications BUT we would miss out on the ram.. |
| 19:50:38 | BigBoss | they are all at java one anyway |
| 19:50:50 | kendrick2 | i almost never use the stylus, actually :) |
| 19:50:58 | kendrick2 | keyboard and arrow buttons and menu button are useful 99% of the time |
| 19:51:00 | kendrick2 | and my thumb ;) |
| 19:51:07 | peanut | so basically for me (and other developers) we're paying maybe 60 bucks less and we get 32mb less memory.. |
| 19:51:10 | kendrick2 | bigboss - i dunno.. someone to ask about hancom :) |
| 19:51:13 | Neo|Work | for Strategic Assault, you need the stylus. ;-) |
| 19:51:18 | kendrick2 | neo - true |
| 19:51:19 | peanut | so the real argument becomes, was it worthwhile.. could i have waited.. |
| 19:51:25 | kendrick2 | hey - how's the SDL port coming, eh? eh? :) |
| 19:51:31 | kendrick2 | i need to ipk madbomber, damnit! :) |
| 19:51:49 | Neo|Work | No changes, been busy with Eligo and Strategic Assault |
| 19:51:52 | kendrick2 | cru - almost lunchtime |
| 19:52:08 | BigBoss | well Peanut, I think the percentage of people that ctually bought the developer unit was rather small - at least for full price |
| 19:52:08 | Neo|Work | now that SA is "done" (i.e greatly improved) I just have Eligo to do and then I'll check on SDL again |
| 19:52:27 | kendrick2 | neo - yeah, i forgot to install the new trial version this morning |
| 19:52:32 | kendrick2 | i'm glad you fixed the gfx, tho :) |
| 19:52:39 | peanut | BigBoss: really.. so i got screwed there :) |
| 19:52:45 | kendrick2 | i showed it off at lunch (along with eligo) the other day... people seemed quite impressed |
| 19:52:59 | kendrick2 | whistles innocently |
| 19:53:13 | kendrick2 | maybe THAT's why I'm not all up in arms |
| 19:53:35 | peanut | is not up in arms.. |
| 19:53:39 | peanut | i really don't care about hancom |
| 19:53:45 | peanut | but i can understand why people would be.. |
| 19:53:49 | kendrick2 | yeah |
| 19:53:53 | peanut | BigBoss: is gallery available for sale yet? |
| 19:54:06 | kendrick2 | bigboss: can gallery do 1:1 zoom and panning yet? :) |
| 19:54:07 | BigBoss | we've got it up at handandgo, but our web pages aren't up yet |
| 19:54:22 | BigBoss | no zooming or panning yet |
| 19:54:37 | kendrick2 | bargh!!! |
| 19:54:44 | kendrick2 | pounces bigboss |
| 19:54:50 | kendrick2 | what's the holdup!? ;) |
| 19:55:00 | kendrick2 | i mean, it's not like you're making a dozen apps for the zaurus |
| 19:55:03 | peanut | argh.. check out sharpmobile.com (dont' put in www :) |
| 19:55:04 | kendrick2 | (oh wait... you are) |
| 19:55:17 | kendrick2 | Ooooooh! :) :) cool |
| 19:56:13 | peanut | wait.. |
| 19:56:23 | peanut | is there any plans of any possible discount for sharp 5000 owners.. |
| 19:56:27 | peanut | would be interested in that.. |
| 19:56:29 | peanut | any rumors? |
| 19:56:32 | kendrick2 | not last i heard :^( |
| 19:56:37 | BigBoss | discounts on what? |
| 19:56:46 | kendrick2 | SL-5500 |
| 19:56:51 | kendrick2 | like, 'upgrade' or something |
| 19:56:52 | Hellaenergy | We don't get no satisfaction |
| 19:56:53 | peanut | yup.. a 55 |
| 19:57:15 | Hellaenergy | kisses his zaurus 5000d |
| 19:57:55 | ljp_work | actually, if they find out you own a 5000d, they'll charge more |
| 19:58:07 | BigBoss | http://www.handango.com/sharp/PlatformProductDetail.jsp?siteId=423&jid=73A4233A9397655368ADDC76F3C31EFD&platformId=9&productType=2&productId=28198§ionId=0&catalog=80 |
| 19:58:33 | peanut | BigBoss: sweet! |
| 19:58:37 | BigBoss | that's got a picture of tkcGallery |
| 19:58:39 | peanut | i have to admit, i tried gallery after all |
| 19:58:51 | peanut | but, i've already deleted it.. |
| 19:59:01 | BigBoss | good boy :) |
| 19:59:10 | peanut | it was very nice! |
| 19:59:18 | peanut | loaded images that choke the stock viewer |
| 19:59:22 | kendrick2 | cool |
| 19:59:25 | BigBoss | that is very good to hear |
| 19:59:27 | peanut | imho: its well worth the 10 dollars |
| 19:59:34 | kendrick2 | zoom and pan is /essential/, though |
| 19:59:38 | ep0ch | you should be a salesmen |
| 19:59:39 | kendrick2 | for things like maps |
| 19:59:40 | kendrick2 | and pr0n |
| 19:59:41 | kendrick2 | hehehehehe |
| 20:00:04 | ep0ch | so can you zoom and pan with this viewer? |
| 20:00:06 | peanut | is not a salesman, or affliated with bigb in anyway.. |
| 20:00:14 | kendrick2 | not yet |
| 20:00:16 | peanut | its just a superior image viewer to the stock one :) plain and simple |
| 20:00:23 | ep0ch | i aint buying till it does then |
| 20:00:38 | BigBoss | you get free upgrades |
| 20:00:41 | BigBoss | but we haven't done it yet |
| 20:00:49 | ep0ch | i want to put the london underground on my zaurus |
| 20:01:09 | ep0ch | then i might be able to get to work without getting lost ;) |
| 20:02:19 | kendrick2 | this is why i wish EVERYTHING on the Zaurus were packaged |
| 20:02:27 | kendrick2 | so i could REMOVE the original imageviewer and not waste space |
| 20:02:46 | kendrick2 | and, for example, if my Z CAME with a spreadsheet, I'd like to remove it, too |
| 20:02:51 | ep0ch | well you could remove it manually |
| 20:03:05 | kendrick2 | yeah... _I_ could |
| 20:03:15 | kendrick2 | but your joe average palm user, used to being able to do that, couldn't |
| 20:03:22 | kendrick2 | YAY! SID player! |
| 20:03:45 | ep0ch | does the SID player work yet? |
| 20:04:01 | jerome_ | one question about the new ROM: seems that it does not come with Hancom Office suite. Will it ever be available for SL5000 ? |
| 20:04:08 | kendrick2 | see zaurus-general :) |
| 20:04:12 | ep0ch | i'm waiting for a .ogg vorbis player... |
| 20:04:22 | kendrick2 | talk to bigboss :) |
| 20:04:31 | kendrick2 | i want mod, sid, sap, mp3, ogg, mpg1/2/4 |
| 20:04:35 | BigBoss | yep, we've got one working |
| 20:04:40 | BigBoss | it has mod, mp3, ogg |
| 20:04:54 | BigBoss | there is some issues because of no fp |
| 20:04:56 | ep0ch | gimme gimme gimme!! |
| 20:05:01 | ep0ch | d'oh |
| 20:05:27 | ep0ch | are you going to try and rewrite it to use integers? |
| 20:05:43 | ep0ch | or wait for someone else to do it? |
| 20:05:46 | BigBoss | we're working on something now |
| 20:05:55 | BigBoss | I personally want the ogg player |
| 20:05:58 | ep0ch | if you want some testing doing... :) |
| 20:06:13 | kendrick2 | hehe |
| 20:06:13 | jerome_ | there's nothing about it in zaurus-general |
| 20:06:15 | Neo|Work | a fixed point ogg _library_ would be nice |
| 20:06:21 | kendrick2 | yes yes, we ALL want to test tkc stuff ;) ;) |
| 20:06:38 | ep0ch | yeah but at least i'll test it for free ;) |
| 20:07:09 | finkployd | Wait, can I go and delete thing that came with the ROM image that I don't want? Like the java stuff and the imageviewer? |
| 20:07:29 | jerome_ | if you don't want java go with openzaurus |
| 20:07:43 | ep0ch | openZ is getting old... |
| 20:07:44 | finkployd | OZ is WAYYYYYY behind right now |
| 20:07:46 | ep0ch | and is buggy atm |
| 20:07:54 | BigBoss | I'd really like a way to delete applications that come with the rom |
| 20:08:06 | kendrick2 | f00d! |
| 20:08:07 | finkployd | BigBoss: hear hear |
| 20:08:23 | BigBoss | I don't care about the jeode stuff |
| 20:08:31 | BigBoss | I've got better replacements for half the TT stuff |
| 20:08:38 | finkployd | I also really don't need a mail program |
| 20:08:46 | finkployd | or most of the games |
| 20:08:54 | ep0ch | where do i copy ipkg's to if i want to install them (not CF!)?? |
| 20:08:56 | BigBoss | yea, I hate most of those games |
| 20:09:14 | finkployd | so can I do in the filemanager and delete the executibles and such? |
| 20:09:25 | ep0ch | yup |
| 20:09:26 | finkployd | to reclaim space? |
| 20:09:30 | BigBoss | I think there are supporting files aren't there? |
| 20:10:05 | Neo|Work | the games are rather lame in general |
| 20:10:15 | Neo|Work | SA/Eligo are a whole lot better! ;-) |
| 20:10:23 | BigBoss | I like the solitaire, but that's about it |
| 20:10:30 | BigBoss | yea, I need to check those out |
| 20:10:30 | ep0ch | asteroids is good |
| 20:10:36 | Neo|Work | it's always entertaining but it's rather lame looking. :P |
| 20:10:37 | finkployd | What is the deal with /usr/bin and /usr/bin.rom ? |
| 20:10:45 | ep0ch | .rom is the rom |
| 20:10:49 | ep0ch | you aint gonna delete it |
| 20:10:54 | Neo|Work | ep0ch: I don't like kastroids in general. SDLRoids is a lot more fun to play |
| 20:10:59 | finkployd | most of the files look duplicated between the two |
| 20:11:06 | ep0ch | where does one get SDLroids from? |
| 20:11:07 | Com[Plex] | quewstion... why is it, that even tho the Zaurus is all about integrated java and whatnot, but web pages with java in them wont work? |
| 20:11:25 | Neo|Work | ep0ch: for the Zaurus: nowhere. :P |
| 20:11:38 | Neo|Work | http://eongames.com/games/sdlroids/ |
| 20:11:59 | finkployd | ep0ch: So since most of the stuff is in the rom, I really can't delete it |
| 20:12:13 | ep0ch | nah |
| 20:12:24 | ep0ch | but you can remove the softlink to reclaim some space ;) |
| 20:12:41 | finkployd | so we are back to having a system with a bunch of crap on it that I don't want, but can't delete :( |
| 20:12:50 | Neo|Work | welcome to the world of handhelds. |
| 20:12:50 | ep0ch | but its in the ROM!! |
| 20:12:55 | Neo|Work | no different from, say, PalmOS |
| 20:12:58 | ep0ch | so its not taking up memory |
| 20:13:17 | finkployd | Yeah, but it is hard to tell what is in the rom and what isn't |
| 20:13:29 | Com[Plex] | sone of a bitch. |
| 20:13:39 | Com[Plex] | the battery life on this thing is too short. :< |
| 20:13:42 | Neo|Work | do a hard reset. what's there when restart is what's in the ROM. :P |
| 20:13:51 | Com[Plex] | I need to get one of those big batteries |
| 20:14:12 | Com[Plex] | and an extra charger.. |
| 20:14:21 | Com[Plex] | where can I get an extra charger cord? |
| 20:14:47 | Neo|Work | amazon.com for example |
| 20:15:10 | tux_mike | myzaurus.com has them |
| 20:15:15 | jerome_ | ZaurusZone.com "lost" some posts, right ? |
| 20:15:26 | jerome_ | I'm looking for posts about CF and SD readers |
| 20:16:09 | ep0ch | NeoCal is a cool |
| 20:16:22 | ep0ch | thanks for making it free :) |
| 20:17:38 | jerome_ | what kind of readers do you use for CF amd MMC/SD ? |
| 20:17:57 | Neo|Work | I have a sandisk SD reader (USB) |
| 20:18:08 | Neo|Work | CF I don't have a specific reader for but my printer has support for it |
| 20:18:17 | finkployd | I have a USB CF reader |
| 20:18:17 | ljp_work | I use a Zaurus to read my cf card. :) |
| 20:18:59 | jerome_ | I mean to write data on it, anyone using POI readers ? |
| 20:19:05 | finkployd | you can't download directly to a SD card using the zaurus can you? |
| 20:19:33 | jerome_ | on myzaurus.com there's only SD, no MMC. Is there any reason other than promoting SD over MMC ? |
| 20:19:36 | Neo|Work | finkployd: what do you mean? I scp stuff to my Zaurus to the SD card...? |
| 20:19:45 | ep0ch | i ftp my stuff |
| 20:19:49 | Neo|Work | SD is faster |
| 20:19:50 | ep0ch | thats direct |
| 20:19:58 | Neo|Work | and works better in the Z I believe |
| 20:20:08 | finkployd | Neo|Work: I mean through opera, I can't specify where I'm downloading something too |
| 20:20:11 | Neo|Work | more expensive but probably worth it |
| 20:20:11 | finkployd | s/too/to |
| 20:20:14 | jerome_ | yeah but MMC is cheaper |
| 20:20:15 | Neo|Work | finkployd: how lame |
| 20:20:21 | Neo|Work | jerome_: sure, but worse |
| 20:20:26 | ljp_work | I use that morse code thingy to copy files to my cf :) |
| 20:20:35 | Neo|Work | I paid $45 for 64 MB SD. not too bad |
| 20:20:49 | jerome_ | so I should go with SD, where NeoWord ? |
| 20:20:58 | jerome_ | s/NeoWord/Neo|Work |
| 20:21:35 | Neo|Work | sorry, make that 49 |
| 20:21:43 | Neo|Work | I got it from buy.com |
| 20:21:49 | Neo|Work | cheapest SD I found by far |
| 20:22:07 | jerome_ | ok, I'll also take a look at pricewatch |
| 20:22:26 | jerome_ | wants a CF, SD and a WiFi card... |
| 20:22:27 | Neo|Work | I failed to find any SD cards using pricewatch |
| 20:22:33 | jerome_ | okay |
| 20:23:00 | Neo|Work | I have got a 32 MB CF card from bestbuy (wanted it THEN) for $29. not as cheap as it gets but I didn't want to wait to flash it darn it. :P |
| 20:24:54 | Com[Plex] | wifi? |
| 20:25:08 | jerome_ | I wish I could go to JavaOne |
| 20:25:20 | Com[Plex] | I have a 64mb SD card, and a 128 mb CF card, I fill with mp3s :> |
| 20:25:49 | Com[Plex] | I have a wireless card, hawkings, and a rj45 nic as well. |
| 20:26:56 | Com[Plex] | and a slick paint job to boot http://me.256k.net/casemod/ZAURUS-MODS/ |
| 20:27:39 | plexxar | zaurus 5000 with wireless card for 299$ at javaone, heard already ? |
| 20:28:34 | ep0ch | thats quite cool |
| 20:29:23 | ep0ch | what type of paint did you use? |
| 20:32:07 | tux_mike | gah, i lost my ham |
| 20:32:28 | ep0ch | damn it, why won't gnuboy install |
| 20:33:04 | tux_mike | i had no problems withit |
| 20:33:13 | ep0ch | hmm |
| 20:33:21 | tux_mike | what rom? |
| 20:33:45 | ep0ch | 1.113 |
| 20:33:47 | ep0ch | 1.13 |
| 20:33:49 | ep0ch | gnuboy_1.0.3-qtopia2-1_arm.ipk |
| 20:35:11 | ep0ch | package installer doesn't even find it |
| 20:35:22 | tux_mike | i'm on 1.11. i don't know what gnuboy level i'm on, i think his second release |
| 20:35:30 | tux_mike | ep0ch: where is it located? |
| 20:35:40 | ep0ch | http://www.slac.com/~mpilone/projects/qtopiagnuboy.phtml |
| 20:35:49 | ep0ch | :) |
| 20:35:53 | ep0ch | tried it from cf |
| 20:36:05 | ep0ch | tried it from /home/root and double tapping it |
| 20:36:16 | ep0ch | time to check permissions on it |
| 20:36:31 | tux_mike | try doing install gnuboy... from the dir the file is in |
| 20:37:08 | ep0ch | ? |
| 20:37:22 | ep0ch | you mean double click it? |
| 20:37:31 | ep0ch | or is there a command line to do it too? |
| 20:37:32 | tux_mike | type "install gnuboy_1.0.3-qtopia2-1_arm.ipk" at the command prompt |
| 20:38:15 | ep0ch | theres a program called install? |
| 20:39:06 | tux_mike | it's the installer |
| 20:39:38 | tux_mike | sorry, qinstall |
| 20:40:08 | ep0ch | the installer comes up but gnuboy doesnt appear |
| 20:40:19 | ep0ch | in the list of things to install |
| 20:40:23 | kergoth | hey |
| 20:40:31 | tux_mike | ep0ch: re download |
| 20:41:25 | ep0ch | good idea |
| 20:43:31 | ep0ch | nah it hates me |
| 20:43:36 | BigBoss | hey, I'm talking to Jason via tkcJabber live on the Java one floor :) |
| 20:44:09 | ep0ch | get him to ask if we can have our money back |
| 20:44:19 | BigBoss | I don't think so :) |
| 20:44:26 | BigBoss | he says there is a line around the block to buy the Z |
| 20:44:32 | ep0ch | lol |
| 20:45:07 | BigBoss | i wish I had given him some flyers for our stuff |
| 20:45:48 | ep0ch | anyway time for foooooood!! |
| 20:45:50 | finkployd | which Z are they selling there? |
| 20:45:54 | finkployd | the 5000 right? |
| 20:46:03 | ep0ch | laters all |
| 20:46:09 | Neo|Work | yes |
| 20:46:38 | finkployd | wonders aloud what they are telling the customers about the 5000 and hancom office |
| 20:46:52 | Neo|Work | nothing? |
| 20:46:59 | Neo|Work | I mean, about hancom office |
| 20:47:00 | BigBoss | since there is no official information about Hancom, I doubt they are saying anything |
| 20:47:29 | finkployd | they told everyone at LWE that we would all get it (and they gave it to some of us) |
| 20:47:42 | finkployd | it sounded pretty official to me |
| 20:47:51 | BigBoss | well I'd just ask Jason when he's back then |
| 20:48:07 | finkployd | I'm tired of asking :) |
| 20:48:41 | Neo|Work | have they said that "you won't get it" ? No. so just be quiet about it please |
| 20:49:04 | Neo|Work | if we get it we get it, if we don't we don't |
| 20:49:25 | finkployd | Agreed, I would just be happy if Sharp would master the basic skill of communication |
| 20:49:27 | Neo|Work | btw, anyone knows how sharp will handle consumer updates? I'd say it'd be rare for normal ppl to flash their zauruses |
| 20:50:16 | finkployd | Especially with all the people who bought the think and wrote a ton of software and acted as beta testers for $400 |
| 20:50:32 | finkployd | Neo|Work: They are changing the key combination, I know that. |
| 20:51:05 | BigBoss | Asian company - don't get me started on their communication skills |
| 20:51:06 | Neo|Work | I'm just curious since the software aren't exactly completely polished. :P |
| 20:51:11 | finkployd | So if they went to that much trouble, I imagine they plan to have normal people flash it (or at least give them the option) |
| 20:51:48 | Neo|Work | just wonder if they might have patch downloads which puts replacements apps in RAM or so |
| 20:52:11 | BigBoss | they need to |
| 20:52:17 | BigBoss | this stuff is not exactly done |
| 20:52:45 | Neo|Work | I don't know how common it is for the average Joe to flash their handheld |
| 20:53:11 | finkployd | It's about to be more common :) |
| 20:53:17 | finkployd | Either that, or the Z is about to fail |
| 20:53:51 | Neo|Work | it might be common |
| 20:54:01 | Neo|Work | I don't know because my visor(s) don't have flash |
| 20:54:11 | Neo|Work | I know PalmOS do release os upgrades and people do use them |
| 20:57:48 | BigBoss | I've updated my Visor a number of times |
| 20:58:13 | BigBoss | of course it wasn't the same clumsy method of flashing |
| 20:58:51 | finkployd | I don't think your average middle-manager/housewife/grandparent is going to be purchasing a Z anyway |
| 21:00:36 | Neo|Work | BigBoss: visor updates use storage space, since they are not true flash updates |
| 21:00:47 | Neo|Work | finkployd: true |
| 21:04:00 | Hellaenergy | I guess the z is selling like hotcakes at J1 |
| 21:05:09 | BigBoss | yep |
| 21:05:21 | finkployd | are they selling 5500's there as well? |
| 21:05:38 | Hellaenergy | some dude is saying it took him 3 hours in line to get his |
| 21:05:39 | Hellaenergy | damb |
| 21:05:54 | BigBoss | yea, Jason was just telling me there is a line around the block |
| 21:06:09 | Hellaenergy | That is cool as tux |
| 21:06:27 | BigBoss | now they just need to find out about our apps :) |
| 21:07:17 | Hellaenergy | They will BB they will |
| 21:08:12 | BigBoss | all I ask is for 1,000 sales per day :) |
| 21:08:38 | Hellaenergy | I should hurry up and get that currency converter ported |
| 21:09:11 | finkployd | BigBoss: we get free upgrades for life no? |
| 21:09:40 | BigBoss | sure - at least till we change our minds :) |
| 21:09:46 | finkployd | heh |
| 21:10:57 | Twiun | BB: any eta on your website update? |
| 21:11:42 | BigBoss | twiun: it was supposed to be over the weekend |
| 21:13:36 | Twiun | I'll wait a while longer then |
| 21:15:27 | Hellaenergy | BigBoss: How is Kapital1 looking? |
| 21:18:33 | BigBoss | Kapital? |
| 21:18:36 | BigBoss | which one? |
| 21:25:22 | warmi | crap, I still don't have my zaurus |
| 21:25:46 | warmi | if they don't extend the deadline it will be rather unfair to all of us who are still without one |
| 21:26:45 | warmi | frankly, it will be unfair anyway ,even if they do extend but at least will have some more time |
| 21:26:47 | warmi | :-) |
| 21:31:23 | BigBoss | Jason just told me via Jabber that all 2200 of the units are going to be sold today |
| 21:32:09 | warmi | no shit ... for that kind of price |
| 21:33:34 | BigBoss | let's hope the commercial units sell as well :) |
| 21:34:21 | warmi | well, so far reviews have been pretty good ... all of them with disclaimer "... assuming application support will follow " |
| 21:34:35 | warmi | mark_: did you get your Z yet ? |
| 21:34:39 | mark_ | warmi: no |
| 21:34:42 | mark_ | u/ |
| 21:34:55 | warmi | well, read my email I send you |
| 21:35:41 | mark_ | warmi: heh, I should check my mail more often |
| 21:36:24 | mark_ | warmi: i totally agree |
| 21:36:31 | mark_ | where is jason when you need him |
| 21:36:50 | finkployd | likely at javaone |
| 21:37:20 | warmi | I got request for my phone # last Wendsday .. come one, it doesn't take 5 days to deliver overnight package to Chicago ! something is wrong there .. |
| 21:37:34 | mark_ | warmi: nor should it to the UIk |
| 21:37:53 | warmi | specially since someone in Germany already got one last week |
| 21:37:59 | BigBoss | yes, he is at javaone |
| 21:38:02 | BigBoss | on the floor |
| 21:38:06 | BigBoss | talking to me via tkcJabber |
| 21:40:54 | fusion94 | BigBoss: heh, tell him i said thaks for dinner the other night |
| 21:41:05 | mark_ | BigBoss: ask him if the contest deadline is gonna be extended :) |
| 21:41:48 | codemnky | howdy |
| 21:42:02 | codemnky | you think i'd have a problem getting linux to work on this: |
| 21:42:08 | codemnky | http://www.sonystyle.com/vaio/r505/index.shtml |
| 21:42:09 | codemnky | ? |
| 21:42:13 | BigBoss | I'm barely getting him to answer me :) |
| 21:42:22 | mark_ | heh |
| 21:43:08 | finkployd | codemnky: I've heard that Linux installs on Vaios pretty easily |
| 21:43:24 | finkployd | I'm opting for an IBM T23 myself |
| 21:43:54 | codemnky | ok thx |
| 21:44:03 | bipolar_away | is away: I'm not here... Really.... |
| 21:47:45 | Aelix | I have a vaio Z505JE and Linux was a breeze. |
| 21:48:35 | codemnky | ok |
| 21:48:58 | codemnky | i'm sure it will be, but with my luck i'll get a special pc that linux hates, i'm just lucky that way |
| 21:49:08 | Neo|Work | mark_: he said it might be likely to be extended |
| 21:49:21 | Neo|Work | but I don't know anything else and that was a while ago |
| 21:49:47 | mark_ | Neo|Work: heya, okay |
| 21:53:33 | Neo|Work | mark_: the Z really rocks. :P |
| 21:53:55 | Neo|Work | now if I just had X hundred dollars to get wireless networking setup at home! |
| 21:54:13 | Aelix | Wap11 is like $150 |
| 21:54:26 | Neo|Work | counting the base station, or access point? |
| 21:54:40 | Aelix | A wap11 accesspoint is $150 |
| 21:54:44 | Aelix | just plugs into your hub/switch |
| 21:54:49 | Neo|Work | besides, still can't afford that (buy my games buy my games... ;-) |
| 21:55:02 | Neo|Work | so $300 for access point and card? :P |
| 21:55:20 | Aelix | Oh yeah cards help too I guess |
| 21:55:38 | mark_ | Neo|Work: lol, i aint got mine yet |
| 21:56:00 | Neo|Work | Aelix: indeed. :) |
| 21:56:12 | Neo|Work | mark_: I know, that's why I'm teasing you. :-)) |
| 21:56:18 | mark_ | Neo|Work: i know that |
| 21:56:19 | mark_ | :P |
| 21:56:26 | mark_ | i wonder if i'll ever get it |
| 21:56:58 | Neo|Work | I'm sure you will |
| 21:57:05 | Aelix | Time for some smoooooooth jazz |
| 21:57:45 | mark_ | 1.12, 1.13 - production rom equivs? |
| 21:58:05 | Aelix | I think it said they are almost equivalent to the beta versions of the production roms.. |
| 21:58:12 | Aelix | Whatever that means |
| 21:58:34 | mark_ | lol |
| 21:58:56 | Neo|Work | ah and now time for a meeting |
| 21:58:59 | Neo|Work | is away: mtg |
| 22:00:04 | mark_ | Hellaenergy: sorry, wh ere did you say to get tmake for arm from? |
| 22:07:35 | mark_ | anyone else - tmake for arm? |
| 22:10:30 | mark_ | or just tmake sources :P |
| 22:11:08 | kergoth | mark_: trolltech's web page |
| 22:18:08 | kendrick2 | jason??? |
| 22:18:18 | BigBoss | he's at java one |
| 22:18:21 | kendrick2 | crap |
| 22:18:29 | kendrick2 | allnetdevices.com lists every pda BUT the zaurus :) |
| 22:18:32 | BigBoss | what you need? |
| 22:18:33 | kendrick2 | this needs to change, of course :) |
| 22:18:38 | BigBoss | tell them :) |
| 22:18:46 | kendrick2 | i'd do it, but i figured, you know, someone from SHARP should do it |
| 22:18:57 | kendrick2 | i suppose i could, and use jason as a follow-up contact for them, or something :) |
| 22:19:55 | BigBoss | just send them an email that says "what, are you guys morons or what? How can you *not* know about the Zaurus?" :) |
| 22:20:28 | kendrick2 | http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00004TSXC <-- woo-hoo! look at that PENGUIN! :) |
| 22:20:49 | kendrick2 | bboss - hehe |
| 22:20:55 | kendrick2 | they list the agenda vr3, but the specs are way incomplete |
| 22:27:51 | kendrick2 | reads about the <18yr old apple darwin hacker |
| 22:29:35 | kendrick2 | this kid writes well, for a 15yr old |
| 22:36:02 | Hellaenergy | Don't you thing sharp should hold a keger in Minnesota. They should give away all the remainder sl5kd's there. :) |
| 22:36:35 | mark_ | night all |
| 22:36:50 | kendrick2 | hell - hahah |
| 22:36:52 | kendrick2 | no way... davis :) |
| 22:37:26 | Hellaenergy | yo did you see that last email to the list about Matthew Broersma's artical being completly wrong :p |
| 22:39:07 | kendrick2 | i THINK so |
| 22:39:29 | kendrick2 | about it being from sharp, not sun |
| 22:39:35 | kendrick2 | and being 5000d's not 5500's? |
| 22:39:39 | kendrick2 | et cetera |
| 22:41:34 | Aelix | sharpplace officially announced it |
| 22:41:44 | Aelix | http://www.sharpplace.com/product.asp?sku=1904166 |
| 22:41:48 | kendrick2 | "it"? |
| 22:41:51 | kendrick2 | the z? |
| 22:41:55 | Aelix | yeah |
| 22:42:00 | Aelix | It was "coming soon" before |
| 22:42:01 | scanline | is back (gone 09:12:06) |
| 22:42:14 | kendrick2 | oh.. yeah. sharpplace was missing it, except the 'coming soon' |
| 22:42:15 | kendrick2 | exactly |
| 22:42:20 | kendrick2 | welcome back |
| 22:51:28 | kendrick2 | too quiet in here |
| 22:55:17 | BigBoss | they say it is in stock, but you have to make a pre-order |
| 22:55:18 | BigBoss | odd |
| 22:55:42 | kendrick2 | hehehe |
| 22:55:54 | tux_mike | gah |
| 22:56:34 | kendrick2 | emails allnetdevices.com about the zore-us |
| 22:56:48 | kendrick2 | but first.. must refill environment-killing-cup-of-h2o |
| 23:03:40 | BigBoss | well I will say that I've seen a surge of orders through Handandgo today |
| 23:07:18 | NetAmp | 'lo |
| 23:07:31 | Hellaenergy | How come the sun site says they are selling the z for 299 when I heard it was 200 |
| 23:07:48 | tux_mike | Hellaenergy: the 299 price is with a wifi card |
| 23:07:50 | kergoth | Hellaenergy: its 299 with included cf nic, or 199 without, afaik |
| 23:07:53 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:08:12 | Hellaenergy | ha yes very good, very good :) thanks |
| 23:08:35 | Hellaenergy | fawkers that is how much it should have been for us in the first place |
| 23:10:14 | Neo|Work | is back (gone 01:11:15) |
| 23:11:18 | tux_mike | hey neo |
| 23:14:27 | Neo|Work | heya |
| 23:15:08 | tux_mike | whee. i finally got friggin libopie to compile! |
| 23:15:36 | tux_mike | now if i can only find out about how to make these qpfs |
| 23:15:44 | kendrick2 | hey sdl |
| 23:15:45 | kendrick2 | i mean neo |
| 23:15:46 | kendrick2 | bwahahaha |
| 23:15:49 | tux_mike | lol |
| 23:16:19 | kendrick2 | bigboss - what's selling? |
| 23:17:09 | BigBoss | everything actually |
| 23:17:13 | BigBoss | pretty even split |
| 23:17:14 | kendrick2 | what's most popular? |
| 23:17:16 | kendrick2 | oh :) |
| 23:17:25 | kendrick2 | you have a whole collection of UNpopular software, then? |
| 23:17:25 | tux_mike | kendrick2: so, how's the bejeweled clone coming? |
| 23:17:25 | kendrick2 | hehehehe |
| 23:17:27 | BigBoss | tkcBundle from our site is the most popular :) |
| 23:17:28 | kendrick2 | grr |
| 23:17:33 | kendrick2 | i hate c++ |
| 23:17:34 | kendrick2 | and i hate qt |
| 23:17:38 | tux_mike | qt is great |
| 23:17:42 | kendrick2 | i miss the agenda! *waaah!* |
| 23:17:54 | tux_mike | then make an agenda wrapper library |
| 23:18:23 | BigBoss | we ported PyQt to the Zaurus - write in PYthon |
| 23:18:24 | NetAmp | Sharpplace is taunting again with "SL5500 shipping soon"! aaaaaah! |
| 23:19:04 | kendrick2 | i did x on agenda :) |
| 23:19:13 | kendrick2 | bigboss - i just want to port my c/sdl apps |
| 23:19:14 | kendrick2 | that's all :) |
| 23:20:48 | kendrick2 | madbomber is _ready_ |
| 23:21:04 | kendrick2 | prods overcode & neotron |
| 23:21:10 | Neo|Work | so let me ask you this - is there any interest in having windowed mode at all or should I just go fullscreen only? |
| 23:21:33 | kendrick2 | both would be nice, honestly :^/ |
| 23:21:45 | kendrick2 | eg, i like the ability to jump out of eligo easily, and do other stuff |
| 23:21:57 | Neo|Work | well, that would still work |
| 23:22:14 | Neo|Work | all fullscreen really means is that the stupid task bar isn't visible |
| 23:22:20 | kendrick2 | well, like, have the Qt / clock / battery / etc. on the screen still :) |
| 23:22:24 | kendrick2 | i LIKE the taskbar :) |
| 23:22:40 | Neo|Work | Ok. Right now that's how it works. :P |
| 23:22:58 | Neo|Work | my last work went into fixing ability to switch between fullscreen mode and windowed mode. :P |
| 23:22:59 | tux_mike | zaps kendrick2's taksbar |
| 23:23:51 | kendrick2 | i'm guessing overcodes'll be fullscreen only or something |
| 23:23:56 | kendrick2 | he's doing fb, not qt |
| 23:24:08 | kendrick2 | which has the advantage of working on ipaq under familiar & x |
| 23:24:16 | Neo|Work | right |
| 23:24:35 | Neo|Work | it'd be only fullscreen |
| 23:24:39 | tux_mike | holy shite. it's 5:30! |
| 23:24:44 | kendrick2 | it could fake windowed |
| 23:24:46 | kendrick2 | kinda |
| 23:24:52 | kendrick2 | just write to certain rect. of the fb |
| 23:25:47 | Neo|Work | I think fb stuff would switch virtual console |
| 23:25:54 | Neo|Work | or you'd get weird things happening |
| 23:26:05 | Neo|Work | I accidently happened to start two QPE at the same time. that was interesting |
| 23:26:07 | NetAmp | 12:28 AM here |
| 23:28:08 | kendrick2 | neo - like atari800 and zmame do? :) (weird things happening) |
| 23:28:10 | tux_mike | NetAmp: so, it's tomorrow by you. how is tomorrow? |
| 23:28:17 | kendrick2 | 3:30 here |
| 23:28:19 | kendrick2 | pm |
| 23:28:24 | kendrick2 | so i guess 15:30 :) |
| 23:29:27 | Neo|Work | kendrick2: haven't tried those... :P |
| 23:29:44 | Neo|Work | I need to add QDirectPainter support to SDL too for (much) better performance |
| 23:30:41 | tux_mike | i thought zmame was qt, not sdl. |
| 23:31:04 | kendrick2 | it's called "OBEX", right? |
| 23:31:10 | kendrick2 | neo - do it! :) |
| 23:31:26 | Neo|Work | I will, of course. Always planned to. now that I know how it works... :) |
| 23:33:33 | Neo|Work | so does anyone know anything about Intent / AmigaDE...? |
| 23:33:35 | NetAmp | tux_mike: heh, well quite the same as yesterday ;) |
| 23:33:49 | tux_mike | NeoTron: you figured out the secret to QDirectPainter? |
| 23:34:08 | tux_mike | NetAmp: so this means, tomorrow, i'll get nothing done? *grunt* |
| 23:34:30 | NetAmp | hehe |
| 23:34:38 | NetAmp | probably |
| 23:34:52 | tux_mike | well, i still have a few hours to get things done |
| 23:35:15 | Neo|Work | tux_mike: yes |
| 23:35:27 | NetAmp | but I haven't slept yet between tomorrow/today and yesterday, so there's a chance it'll be different when I get out of bed in the morning ;) |
| 23:35:37 | tux_mike | wow. i didn't think anyone would be able to do it. |
| 23:36:01 | Neo|Work | not that hard really |
| 23:36:12 | tux_mike | so, what's the basics behind it? |
| 23:36:14 | Neo|Work | just somewhat odd. :P |
| 23:36:42 | Neo|Work | basically the main thing is that the upper left corner (i.e first byte of the framebuffer memory) is in the bottom left of the screen |
| 23:37:12 | Neo|Work | so the framebuffer memory is 320x240 |
| 23:37:34 | Neo|Work | so for my purposes I have to rotate the image before blitting |
| 23:37:44 | Neo|Work | and blitting has to be done pixel-per-pixel due to that |
| 23:37:55 | Neo|Work | obviously rotation is done during the blitting phase |
| 23:39:05 | Neo|Work | time for another article @ eongames.com perhaps. :P |
| 23:39:33 | tux_mike | i guess. |
| 23:39:35 | kergoth | Neo|Work: thats not all that surprising, given that QWS_DISPLAY defaults to a 270 degree transformation |
| 23:39:39 | kergoth | Neo|Work: eh? |
| 23:39:41 | tux_mike | i just want bejeweled. |
| 23:39:46 | Neo|Work | kergoth: indeed, just confused me |
| 23:39:58 | Neo|Work | and it's what caused my crash because I wrote outside of the memory buffer |
| 23:40:05 | kergoth | ah.. |
| 23:40:05 | kergoth | oops |
| 23:40:07 | kergoth | heh :-) |
| 23:40:20 | kergoth | is in php hell atm |
| 23:41:50 | Neo|Work | heh |
| 23:42:04 | kendrick2 | sends a huge letter about the zaurus to allnetdevices.com |
| 23:42:06 | NetAmp | loves php |
| 23:42:07 | kendrick2 | there's just SO much to cover! |
| 23:42:10 | kendrick2 | php rules |
| 23:42:20 | NetAmp | PHP r0x0rz |
| 23:42:37 | kergoth | yeah I like php and all, but I'm stuck maintaining some ugly ass php code from a previous employee |
| 23:42:39 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:42:45 | NetAmp | kendrick2: why would you send that? don't they know about it yet? |
| 23:42:57 | NetAmp | kergoth: that sucks :S |
| 23:43:04 | Neo|Work | http://david.hedbor.org/tmp/zaurusfb.png |
| 23:43:04 | kergoth | indeed |
| 23:43:06 | NetAmp | kergoth: Don't they have guidlines for it? |
| 23:43:07 | kergoth | and i'm in support |
| 23:43:14 | kergoth | thats what i get for admitting i know something |
| 23:43:16 | kergoth | i end up doing it |
| 23:43:17 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:43:31 | NetAmp | ghehe yah that's true |
| 23:43:41 | kergoth | NetAmp: no. its an internal job for the support web page, which is under support control, not our web dept.. so there are no guidelines.. its horrid |
| 23:43:41 | Neo|Work | that is the layout of the screen, when you see it as displayed on the Z |
| 23:43:56 | NetAmp | kergoth: *argh* |
| 23:44:08 | kendrick2 | only SE models of sharps, which i assume are the older zaurus or wizard or something |
| 23:44:09 | NetAmp | Neo|Work: sweet |
| 23:44:19 | kendrick2 | neo - nice :) |
| 23:44:37 | kergoth | NetAmp: yeah. heh. as a matter of fact, we got written up on the last iso audit for the lack of document control |
| 23:44:41 | kergoth | NetAmp: heh. |
| 23:44:41 | kendrick2 | whoosps - why did i msg you :) |
| 23:44:50 | kendrick2 | anyone wanna be BCC'd to see how badly i write? |
| 23:44:52 | NetAmp | *lol* |
| 23:44:54 | kendrick2 | (esp. when distracted by irc :) ) |
| 23:45:03 | kendrick2 | and what's jason's official address, so i can Cc him? |
| 23:45:11 | NetAmp | The world would be a better place if people just sticked to usable standards |
| 23:45:15 | Neo|Work | and the media player simply flips all lines y-wise |
| 23:45:22 | Neo|Work | and draws in "widescreen" mode |
| 23:45:34 | Neo|Work | I believe |
| 23:45:45 | Neo|Work | which is what confused me originally since it did not rotate the image |
| 23:45:45 | NetAmp | I also wrote to a Dutch computer magazine a while ago, we should spread the Z-news! ;) |
| 23:45:55 | Neo|Work | yes, get people to buy it! ;-) |
| 23:45:55 | kendrick2 | so was my 90' rotation of madbomber unnecessary? |
| 23:45:57 | kendrick2 | d'oh! |
| 23:46:25 | BigBoss | holy crud the rom on the Z they just shipped me has yet another non-intuitive software installer |
| 23:46:26 | Neo|Work | well, you can always draw in landscape mode |
| 23:46:27 | kergoth | kendrick2: isnt it actually -90, or 270, isnt it? |
| 23:46:32 | kergoth | s/, isnt it//g; |
| 23:46:35 | NetAmp | Does the console also work in "widescreen" mode? |
| 23:46:36 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:46:43 | kergoth | BigBoss: hah. what rom? |
| 23:46:47 | Neo|Work | and I'm thinking about making it possible to use 320x240 mode in QPE-SDL and automatically get landscape mode |
| 23:47:05 | kergoth | NetAmp: console is rotated by default. you could build the kernel otherwise |
| 23:47:31 | Neo|Work | so it would do "rotation" for you w/o you knowing it |
| 23:47:34 | warmi | man, this layout is rather well, fucked up for the lack of better term |
| 23:47:38 | Neo|Work | simply by adjusting the screen size |
| 23:48:05 | BigBoss | strange - the system info isn't as up to date as the last rom's we installed the other day |
| 23:48:49 | tux_mike | kergoth: do you think i'd be able to, with the sd rom, put OPIE in /home, and have it run from there? |
| 23:48:58 | kendrick2 | kerg - whatever :) |
| 23:48:58 | Neo|Work | warmi: hmm? |
| 23:49:01 | NetAmp | but it'd be handy to have a separate keyboard for typing in "landscape" mode |
| 23:49:08 | warmi | do you guys know if ARM has any CPU cache ? |
| 23:49:14 | Neo|Work | NetAmp: yah |
| 23:49:22 | warmi | Neo|Work: layout is stupid ... never seen anything like that before |
| 23:49:29 | kendrick2 | brighthand has almost NOTHIGN on the zaurus, either |
| 23:49:29 | kendrick2 | fuckers |
| 23:49:31 | kendrick2 | i hate that guy :) |
| 23:50:04 | fusion94 | kendrick2: whuch guy ? |
| 23:50:07 | fusion94 | which even |
| 23:50:15 | warmi | basically, they are using standard 320x240 screen layout except we are looking at it from position rotated at -90 |
| 23:50:25 | Neo|Work | yes |
| 23:50:37 | Neo|Work | 270 degree rotation to be exact. :P |
| 23:50:44 | kendrick2 | http://www.designtechnica.com/pollBooth.php?op=results&pollID=8 |
| 23:50:44 | Neo|Work | wonder if the ipaq does the same |
| 23:50:57 | kendrick2 | fusion - the guy from brighthand |
| 23:51:06 | kendrick2 | did this HORRIBLE and inaccurate review of the agenda vr3d |
| 23:51:17 | kendrick2 | didnt even take into account the fact that it was a dev. model, not finished model |
| 23:51:32 | warmi | alright, time to go home, see you later |
| 23:51:39 | fusion94 | they never do |
| 23:52:12 | tux_mike | *gruble* opie on my 400 takes longer to compile than qt3 on my 800. |
| 23:53:21 | kendrick2 | hehe - pc connection sells zaurus for $549 |
| 23:53:22 | kendrick2 | dorks |
| 23:53:51 | kendrick2 | what's jason's email addr? |
| 23:53:54 | | well, jasonnj is "Jason Perlow" <mailto:perlow@hotmail.com> |
| 23:53:54 | kendrick2 | ibot: jasonnj |
| 23:53:57 | kendrick2 | ahah :) |
| 23:54:10 | tux_mike | looks like that's it |
| 23:54:44 | tux_mike | we need some zaurus network games |
| 23:55:12 | tux_mike | setup an ad-hoc network and play |
| 23:56:28 | NetAmp | and IR :D |
| 23:56:32 | NetAmp | heh |
| 23:56:56 | Neo|Work | kendrick2: sell it above list price? that's interesting. :P don't think they'll get a whole lot of sales |
| 23:57:06 | tux_mike | i've always found gaming by ir is a pain. but maybe a game that exchanges little peices of info via ir |
| 23:57:49 | NetAmp | SharpPlace: "The new color Zaurus will be here VERY soon!" $499.99 *grmbl* |
| 23:57:53 | Neo|Work | I was going to port dopewars, keeping the tcp support |
| 23:58:05 | Neo|Work | but it's all gtk/glib so I'll wait till I'm not "busy" |
| 23:58:14 | tux_mike | heh |
| 23:58:15 | Neo|Work | NetAmp: where do you live? |
| 23:58:27 | Neo|Work | I might make an initial port to Qt, keeping the glib stuff |
| 23:58:32 | tux_mike | make a bejeweled clone first. it's better than any dope wars |
| 23:58:37 | Neo|Work | hehe |
| 23:58:56 | NetAmp | Neo|Work: in the Netherlands |
| 23:59:03 | NetAmp | :S |
| 23:59:12 | Neo|Work | looks at his table: SDL, secret puzzle game port, secret game clone,... |
| 23:59:16 | Neo|Work | NetAmp: ah |
| 23:59:42 | tux_mike | secret simulator game port? |
| 23:59:56 | NetAmp | yeah do that game :D There's also a good version of that on err... Windoze, called "Diamond Mine" |
