| 00:00:03 | whardier | do you have to drive to canada? |
| 00:00:17 | catalin | grr, it's already spring here since 2 weeks or so |
| 00:01:06 | kergoth | whardier: hah |
| 00:01:18 | kergoth | catalin: it was more like spring than winter last month |
| 00:01:24 | kergoth | catalin: now winter caught up with us :-) |
| 00:02:21 | catalin | was a tought winter, tho. had to un-burry my car twice off the snow |
| 00:03:45 | kergoth | catalin: where you at? |
| 00:04:34 | catalin | kergoth: romania |
| 00:04:40 | kergoth | catalin: ah, cool |
| 00:09:03 | whardier | lots of cute romanian chicks? |
| 00:09:45 | catalin | heh, multiply lost by lots a lot of times and you'll get a fair approximation :) |
| 00:10:48 | whardier | I need to move to romania |
| 00:10:48 | catalin | but don't tell my wife I told you |
| 00:11:27 | kergoth | hah |
| 00:11:53 | kergoth | whardier: the buildsystem yielded |
| 00:12:00 | whardier | hahaha |
| 00:12:11 | whardier | [-(Thu 2002-03-14 17:14:53)-(~/)-]> cd mounts (hardwire @ segfault) |
| 00:12:11 | whardier | [-(Thu 2002-03-14 17:14:55)-(~/mounts/)-]> cd whore (hardwire @ segfault) |
| 00:12:12 | kergoth | whardier: i committed a ncurses patch and ncurses.mk to cvs. it'll build the terminfo db now |
| 00:12:12 | whardier | [-(Thu 2002-03-14 17:14:57)-(~/mounts/whore/)-]> (hardwire @ segfault) |
| 00:12:15 | whardier | heh |
| 00:12:16 | kergoth | lol |
| 00:12:40 | whardier | whore.bogomip.com |
| 00:12:41 | whardier | my new uml |
| 00:15:02 | catalin | whardier: you're good at gfx ? |
| 00:15:12 | kergoth | whardier: did you ever get pcmcia-cs or wlan-cs building? |
| 00:15:42 | whardier | catalin ? |
| 00:15:46 | whardier | hardwire.bogomip.com |
| 00:15:47 | whardier | heh |
| 00:16:05 | catalin | whardier: that's why I asked |
| 00:16:07 | whardier | kergoth: I talked to curd.. then realized that I suck for a while.. I will get back on it when I can :) |
| 00:16:22 | whardier | catalin I do quite a bit.. |
| 00:16:36 | kergoth | whardier: hah! |
| 00:16:38 | kergoth | whardier: k :-) |
| 00:16:45 | ljp_ | how about hardwhore.bogomip.com |
| 00:16:50 | kergoth | hah |
| 00:16:56 | kergoth | I tihnk I'm going to start the dangerous trek home |
| 00:16:58 | whardier | I guess I could |
| 00:17:05 | kergoth | hopefully i'll get home before its time to sleep |
| 00:17:06 | catalin | whardier: I may need an artist for my Z games |
| 00:17:06 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:17:12 | whardier | catalin sure thing |
| 00:17:13 | ljp_ | whoreware.bogomip.com |
| 00:17:32 | whardier | ljpisafutz.gahitsu.org |
| 00:19:22 | catalin | whardier: my media player (aka tkcMediaCenter) is skinnable |
| 00:19:42 | whardier | woot |
| 00:19:49 | whardier | I need to write a style for QPE |
| 00:19:51 | whardier | OPIE |
| 00:19:53 | whardier | rather |
| 00:20:04 | whardier | the LCARS theme |
| 00:20:05 | whardier | heh |
| 00:20:07 | catalin | was thinking that too |
| 00:20:08 | whardier | or something similar |
| 00:20:27 | ljp_ | "styles" in qpe ar emostly just colors... |
| 00:20:28 | catalin | but my day has only 24 hours |
| 00:20:44 | whardier | mine has 26 |
| 00:20:55 | whardier | ljp err.. fucker... |
| 00:21:00 | whardier | you know what I meant! |
| 00:21:04 | catalin | and I already have 6 Z projects in works |
| 00:21:27 | whardier | YOU MIGHT AS WELL JUST PUT THE ROMANIAN FLAG ON IT CATALIN! |
| 00:21:32 | whardier | Geeez! |
| 00:21:43 | whardier | ;P |
| 00:22:18 | kergoth | catalin: damn, and to think i cant think of any new apps to write for it. hehe. |
| 00:22:29 | whardier | <whardier> whore.bogomip.com |
| 00:22:30 | whardier | <whardier> my new uml |
| 00:22:30 | whardier | <catalin> whardier: you're good at gfx ? |
| 00:22:30 | whardier | <kergoth> whardier: did you ever get pcmcia-cs or wlan-cs building? |
| 00:22:30 | whardier | <whardier> catalin ? |
| 00:22:30 | whardier | <whardier> hardwire.bogomip.com |
| 00:22:32 | whardier | <whardier> heh |
| 00:22:34 | whardier | [kergoth`left ] [kergoth ] [ ] [ ] |
| 00:22:36 | whardier | <catalin> whardier: that's why I asked |
| 00:22:38 | whardier | <whardier> kergoth: I talked to curd.. then realized that I suck for a while.. I will get back on it when I can :) |
| 00:22:41 | whardier | -:- SignOff BigBoss: #zaurus () |
| 00:22:43 | whardier | <whardier> catalin I do quite a bit.. |
| 00:22:45 | whardier | -:- SignOff warmi: #zaurus ("CGI:IRC 0.4.3 [EOF]") |
| 00:22:47 | whardier | <kergoth> whardier: hah! |
| 00:22:47 | kergoth | er |
| 00:22:49 | kergoth | wtf? |
| 00:22:49 | whardier | <kergoth> whardier: k :-) |
| 00:22:51 | whardier | <ljp_> how about hardwhore.bogomip.com <kergoth> hah |
| 00:22:53 | catalin | ? |
| 00:22:54 | whardier | AUH! |
| 00:22:56 | whardier | SOORRY! |
| 00:22:58 | whardier | points a finger at x2x |
| 00:23:01 | kergoth | hah |
| 00:23:17 | whardier | I need to take out the litter |
| 00:23:21 | whardier | but I have no trash bags |
| 00:23:26 | whardier | looks like I am gonna have to be inventive |
| 00:23:36 | whardier | this could get messy |
| 00:23:43 | catalin | heh |
| 00:27:47 | catalin | damn, yesterday was New Moon |
| 00:28:03 | catalin | goes out and howls at the moon |
| 00:28:07 | ljp_ | ahh no wonder I'm so out of whack! |
| 00:30:59 | whardier | pyramid lover |
| 00:31:24 | ljp_ | hey.. I don't work for Amway... |
| 00:32:33 | | catalin: huh? |
| 00:32:33 | catalin | ibot: amway |
| 00:33:00 | ljp_ | I wanna be a cat, so I dont have to work, can climb trees all day, and stare out of the window without being suspicious |
| 00:33:09 | whardier | heh |
| 00:33:11 | catalin | lol |
| 00:35:11 | Neo|Work | is back (gone 01:08:39) |
| 00:35:36 | | catalin: what? |
| 00:35:36 | catalin | ibot: ljp_ wants to be a cat |
| 00:35:49 | | catalin: huh? |
| 00:35:49 | catalin | ibot: I'm telling you, ljp_ wants to be a cat |
| 00:36:01 | | catalin: excuse me? |
| 00:36:01 | catalin | ibot: really |
| 00:36:17 | | ...but ibot is a nympho or a cool toy when you'r really bored... |
| 00:36:17 | catalin | ibot: you are excused |
| 00:36:37 | | okay, catalin. |
| 00:36:37 | catalin | ibot: you are also excused |
| 00:36:42 | | catalin? |
| 00:36:42 | catalin | ibot |
| 00:36:47 | | i think i am a nympho or a cool toy when you'r really bored or excused |
| 00:36:47 | catalin | ibot: ibot ? |
| 00:36:55 | catalin | lol |
| 00:47:04 | tgall_foo | heh! |
| 00:51:14 | whardier | takes the trash out |
| 00:51:15 | whardier | !! |
| 00:51:17 | whardier | GRRRR |
| 00:51:21 | whardier | *whine* |
| 00:56:28 | tux_mike | blargh |
| 00:56:56 | tux_mike | anyone here have tkcMahjongg? |
| 01:11:01 | whardier | downs a 12" |
| 01:11:17 | whardier | it was Italian |
| 01:11:41 | whardier | from SubWay |
| 01:12:58 | ljp_ | you found some Italian in a subway?? |
| 01:13:04 | whardier | heh |
| 01:14:21 | whardier | yeah |
| 01:14:29 | whardier | downstairs from my house |
| 01:14:33 | ljp_ | and you beat him up? |
| 01:14:42 | whardier | him? |
| 01:14:52 | tux_mike | and he was only 12" tall... for shame |
| 01:14:52 | whardier | I am talking about an Italian BMT man.. |
| 01:14:55 | whardier | hehe |
| 01:15:06 | ljp_ | ahhh.. a female midget Italian in a subway |
| 01:15:09 | tux_mike | you should pick on someone your own size |
| 01:15:19 | whardier | hehe |
| 01:15:45 | whardier | http://www.subway.com/menubar/left_logo_long_heart.gif |
| 01:20:40 | whardier | debian needs macro packages |
| 01:20:48 | whardier | apt-get install samba-pdc-mode |
| 01:21:05 | whardier | MY CAT IS BEGGING FOR MY ITALIAN |
| 01:22:34 | ljp_ | well. she's only 12".. what do you expect? |
| 01:23:00 | whardier | heh |
| 01:23:28 | whardier | anybody else get smiled at today at all? |
| 01:23:30 | whardier | from anybody? |
| 01:24:06 | ljp_ | ya. |
| 01:25:10 | whardier | doh |
| 01:25:18 | whardier | has had a completly smile'less day |
| 01:26:12 | whardier | its sooo sad :( |
| 01:28:10 | ljp_ | I'll give ya a smile :D |
| 01:29:05 | whardier | danke! |
| 01:35:05 | whardier | experiences matchbox |
| 01:35:09 | whardier | I gotta have X on my Z now |
| 01:36:28 | whardier | Y you ask?! |
| 01:36:35 | whardier | Z Y X??? |
| 01:37:52 | whardier | hah |
| 01:37:53 | whardier | ok |
| 01:38:10 | whardier | my little tech vice.. it has a magnifying glass on it |
| 01:38:14 | whardier | well its next to my little TV |
| 01:38:25 | whardier | and my TV is projecting thru it.. onto the top of my desk |
| 01:38:30 | whardier | only .. of course.. mirrord |
| 01:38:34 | whardier | what a weird thing to see |
| 01:38:40 | whardier | seinfeilds face on your keyboard |
| 01:40:25 | whardier | this is freaking me out |
| 01:48:23 | kergoth`left | woot |
| 01:48:32 | kergoth`left | only 1.5 hours to get home! no traffic whatsoever |
| 01:48:39 | kergoth`left | guess they cleaned up most of the accidents along the way |
| 01:49:51 | whardier | :) |
| 01:49:56 | whardier | hugs kergoth |
| 01:50:03 | whardier | I AM GLAD YOU ARE SAFE! |
| 01:50:57 | kergoth | hah |
| 01:58:29 | whardier | Family Guy is on |
| 01:58:40 | whardier | then futerama.. or something like that |
| 02:02:20 | whardier | I love the Family Guy |
| 02:07:54 | ljp_ | ehhh.. I like Futurama.. |
| 02:08:21 | whardier | me toooo |
| 02:14:11 | kergoth | whardier: modutils is still broken |
| 02:14:26 | whardier | you did it! |
| 02:14:28 | kergoth | whardier: the depmod binary is all fucked. if i try to run it, it thinks its a sco binary and tries to modprobe that binfmt module |
| 02:14:35 | kergoth | did what? |
| 02:14:38 | whardier | haha |
| 02:14:41 | whardier | why sco? |
| 02:14:44 | kergoth | whardier: no idea |
| 02:14:48 | whardier | what the hell are you doing? |
| 02:14:49 | kergoth | binfmt-464c |
| 02:15:00 | kergoth | just tried to depmod -a |
| 02:15:02 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:15:04 | kergoth | the binary is fucked |
| 02:15:05 | whardier | wtf?! |
| 02:15:14 | kergoth | im gonna try rebuilding it |
| 02:15:17 | kergoth | see wtf is going on |
| 02:15:34 | kergoth | I want modutils being sane so i can get usb networking going. then i wont need to flash the fucker again |
| 02:15:36 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:15:58 | whardier | wait a minute! |
| 02:16:03 | kergoth | k |
| 02:16:36 | whardier | nevermind |
| 02:17:38 | whardier | HAHAHAHA |
| 02:17:40 | whardier | http://us.imdb.com/Title?0118289 |
| 02:17:46 | whardier | notice anybody familiar in the cast list? |
| 02:18:40 | tux_mike | worf |
| 02:18:49 | whardier | ? |
| 02:18:50 | kergoth | yep. worf and skywalker |
| 02:18:53 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:18:55 | whardier | and Mark Hamill |
| 02:18:57 | whardier | haha |
| 02:19:06 | whardier | http://us.imdb.com/Title?0175058 |
| 02:19:07 | whardier | same |
| 02:19:08 | whardier | hah |
| 02:20:49 | whardier | http://us.imdb.com/Title?0253754 |
| 02:20:50 | whardier | WOOT! |
| 02:21:36 | kergoth | nice |
| 02:21:37 | kergoth | brb |
| 02:23:51 | tux_mike | whardier: do you have tkcmajongg? |
| 02:24:10 | whardier | NEWP! |
| 02:25:24 | tux_mike | i can't find the board sets or the tile sets |
| 02:26:01 | whardier | I dun even know hwo to lpay mojonng |
| 02:26:05 | whardier | err whatever |
| 02:26:21 | peanut | waves |
| 02:26:23 | tux_mike | it's easy, you match the tiles |
| 02:26:26 | tux_mike | hey peanut |
| 02:26:33 | peanut | hey tux_mike |
| 02:26:46 | peanut | had 5 people ask him about the Z on the train today.. |
| 02:26:47 | whardier | eats peanut |
| 02:26:54 | peanut | however, 4 of them mistook it for the new palm with snap on keyboard.. morons |
| 02:27:02 | peanut | slaps whardier.. |
| 02:27:05 | tux_mike | palms suck ass |
| 02:27:06 | whardier | they obviosly missed the protein supplement that you could have offered |
| 02:27:11 | peanut | hehehe |
| 02:27:36 | peanut | the remaining person, said.. hey.. that runs LIE NUX |
| 02:27:37 | peanut | kewl.. |
| 02:27:41 | peanut | i wanted to slap him |
| 02:27:49 | whardier | HAHA |
| 02:27:53 | whardier | Lie Nux |
| 02:28:01 | whardier | more family guy |
| 02:28:12 | peanut | oh well.. |
| 02:28:20 | peanut | in the words of my grandfather.. |
| 02:28:27 | peanut | whatcha gonna do grandpa? |
| 02:28:34 | peanut | i miss him.. |
| 02:28:36 | peanut | oh well.. |
| 02:28:37 | whardier | ? |
| 02:28:47 | peanut | he passed 4 years ago. |
| 02:28:59 | peanut | but he was an old italian.. |
| 02:29:05 | peanut | funny as shit |
| 02:29:16 | peanut | he greeted everyone with "hey man".. |
| 02:29:19 | peanut | and you know what.. |
| 02:29:22 | peanut | he said linux right! |
| 02:29:33 | peanut | he had absolutely no idea what the hell it was.. |
| 02:29:35 | peanut | but hey.. |
| 02:29:43 | peanut | i give him credit for correct pronunciation |
| 02:29:57 | whardier | hah |
| 02:30:00 | peanut | is talking too much.. |
| 02:30:00 | whardier | rule |
| 02:30:11 | whardier | if my grandfathers were alive.. I would teach them how to say linux |
| 02:30:18 | peanut | :) |
| 02:30:29 | peanut | i gotta split.. |
| 02:30:31 | peanut | night all.. |
| 02:30:53 | whardier | hehehe |
| 02:30:55 | whardier | man |
| 02:30:57 | whardier | that is cool |
| 02:31:04 | whardier | watches peanut split |
| 02:31:09 | peanut | splits |
| 02:31:10 | peanut | l8r |
| 02:32:02 | tux_mike | where was that listing of the contest winners on ZZ? |
| 02:32:08 | | tux_mike: sorry... |
| 02:32:08 | tux_mike | ibot contest |
| 02:32:12 | | tux_mike: i'm not following you... |
| 02:32:12 | tux_mike | ibot winners |
| 02:32:16 | | tux_mike: i'm not following you... |
| 02:32:16 | tux_mike | ibot you suck |
| 02:32:45 | kergoth | whardier: found the problem |
| 02:33:06 | kergoth | whardier: modutils is using the -s flag to the 'install' command to strip the binaries |
| 02:33:09 | whardier | it required being offline>? |
| 02:33:12 | kergoth | whardier: that's using 'strip', not 'arm-linux-strip' and its fucking up the binaries |
| 02:33:14 | kergoth | whardier: nope |
| 02:33:15 | whardier | hehe |
| 02:33:17 | whardier | so |
| 02:33:22 | whardier | you like stripping too much |
| 02:33:26 | whardier | I dunno if we should be friends |
| 02:33:30 | whardier | or "just" friends |
| 02:33:33 | whardier | ;P |
| 02:33:34 | kergoth | aha |
| 02:33:45 | ljp_ | just dont strip the modules..! |
| 02:35:03 | kergoth | ljp_: hehe. i learned that lesson already, thanks! |
| 02:35:07 | kergoth | ljp_: :-) |
| 02:35:17 | kergoth | adds --disable-strip to the modutils configure line |
| 02:35:44 | tux_mike | kergoth: yah, regular strip does a number to arm executables (fount that out the fscking hard way) |
| 02:36:29 | ljp_ | hhhehehehe.. me too! |
| 02:38:15 | kergoth | tux_mike: i knew that already. i didnt catch the problem because it wasnt calling strip, it was calling install -s :-) |
| 02:38:40 | kergoth | nice |
| 02:38:51 | kergoth | arm-linux-objdump -a filename = good sanity check |
| 02:42:02 | tux_mike | woot |
| 02:42:14 | tux_mike | it all works, all it took was a hard reset -_- |
| 02:43:59 | kergoth | hah |
| 02:44:00 | kergoth | nice |
| 02:44:27 | kergoth | woot. I'll have usb networking up and running on openzaurus 3 shortly. then I'll add ipkg support... |
| 02:44:39 | kergoth | then i can start installing ipkgs, get a functional system |
| 02:44:50 | whardier | joyee |
| 02:45:07 | whardier | tell me when you are taking a break so I can screw it all up |
| 02:45:13 | kergoth | hehe |
| 02:46:33 | whardier | anybody have divx's of the enterprise episodes? |
| 02:53:48 | tux_mike | kergoth: are you putting ipkg as an ipk? |
| 02:54:05 | tux_mike | whardier: no, which one though? |
| 02:54:29 | kergoth | tux_mike: I'll be altering the buildsystem to add everything as an ipk eventually |
| 02:55:12 | tux_mike | even ipkg? |
| 02:55:26 | tux_mike | we'd have a chicken and the egg situation there :) |
| 02:56:03 | whardier | I want all of em |
| 02:56:10 | whardier | I have like seen the premier.. and one other :) |
| 02:56:16 | tux_mike | ah |
| 02:59:13 | tux_mike | whardier: did you apply the net_fd workaround to your Z? |
| 03:00:34 | kergoth | whardier: depmod runs now |
| 03:00:35 | kergoth | whardier: heh |
| 03:00:39 | kergoth | whardier: modules load and shit |
| 03:00:45 | tux_mike | woo |
| 03:01:54 | kergoth | sweet |
| 03:01:58 | kergoth | gotta love network connectivity again |
| 03:02:01 | kergoth | heeh |
| 03:02:12 | kergoth | whardier: you want to add openssh to the buildsystem or should i? |
| 03:02:21 | kergoth | whardier: or should we contact the guy that ported it already and steal his build commands? |
| 03:04:31 | kergoth | adds ipkg to the buildsystem |
| 03:05:48 | kergoth | once ipkg is in, i'll stop work on this.. because then its usable, people can install opie or whatever |
| 03:05:53 | tux_mike | damn i hate waiting for some of these apps, like PJisho would help me increadibly |
| 03:06:03 | kergoth | then I'm going to work on improving the underlying buildsystem itself |
| 03:10:18 | tux_mike | woo! 3 programs so far :) |
| 03:10:20 | whardier | I can give it a shot |
| 03:10:26 | whardier | adds openssh to the build system |
| 03:11:31 | Hellaenergy | sup yall |
| 03:11:36 | Hellaenergy | OZ 3 out yet? |
| 03:11:56 | kergoth | Hellaenergy: working on it. the usb networking works.. kernel modules load |
| 03:12:08 | kergoth | Hellaenergy: i'm about to add ipkg to the system and whardier is looking into adding openssh |
| 03:12:26 | Hellaenergy | kergoth: sorry don't mean to rush :) |
| 03:12:33 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:12:35 | kergoth | np |
| 03:12:39 | kergoth | I'm anxious to get it functional |
| 03:12:51 | kergoth | then I can start work on the autobuild project |
| 03:13:26 | tux_mike | kergoth: cool beans :) |
| 03:13:40 | Hellaenergy | Is oz's focus on us or a dumb terminal so to speak? |
| 03:14:19 | kergoth | Hellaenergy: ? |
| 03:14:44 | Hellaenergy | Is oz the Devloper implementation or the consumer? |
| 03:14:50 | Hellaenergy | or both |
| 03:14:56 | Hellaenergy | any focus? |
| 03:15:07 | kergoth | Hellaenergy: i still dont understand the question. its simply an alternative distro for the Z |
| 03:15:28 | Hellaenergy | k no definition is the answer to my question :) |
| 03:15:32 | kergoth | there ya go. |
| 03:15:43 | Hellaenergy | Keep it real :) |
| 03:16:02 | Hellaenergy | 10-12 inches damb |
| 03:16:15 | Hellaenergy | let it snow let it fucking snow |
| 03:16:36 | Hellaenergy | I know I'll be working from home tomorrow |
| 03:16:46 | Ober | re all |
| 03:17:09 | Ober | has there been a date set for the final release of the sd-x000l? |
| 03:17:12 | Hellaenergy | Ober: Oberthur? |
| 03:17:18 | Ober | no |
| 03:17:20 | whardier | kergoth does ftp work in the buildsystem for a Url = ? |
| 03:17:31 | whardier | nm |
| 03:19:10 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:19:13 | kergoth | anything wget can handle |
| 03:19:24 | whardier | I noticed |
| 03:19:34 | whardier | I was grabbing a tar.gz/file.tar.gz |
| 03:19:35 | whardier | heh |
| 03:19:36 | kergoth | i need to fix the cvs download script |
| 03:19:37 | whardier | damnit |
| 03:20:30 | whardier | haha |
| 03:20:34 | whardier | does a make netkit-ftp |
| 03:20:38 | whardier | and it downloads glibc |
| 03:20:39 | whardier | linux |
| 03:20:42 | whardier | and a few other things |
| 03:20:43 | whardier | ncurses |
| 03:20:44 | whardier | heh |
| 03:20:47 | whardier | damn this is neat |
| 03:21:01 | whardier | oops |
| 03:21:03 | whardier | it fucked |
| 03:21:03 | whardier | ! |
| 03:21:08 | whardier | bzcat: Can't open input file /home/hardwire/buildsystem/buildroot-oz/sources/dl/linux-2.4.6.tar.bz2: No such file or directory. |
| 03:21:52 | Ober | anyone got a web page for the release info from sharp? |
| 03:21:57 | tux_mike | hrm... *now* it's taking the new net_fd |
| 03:22:15 | tux_mike | fscking... grumble... gah... blah... |
| 03:22:51 | whardier | Ober developer.sharpsec.org |
| 03:22:55 | whardier | or .com |
| 03:22:58 | whardier | I forget |
| 03:25:21 | tux_mike | and now the thing works when it pops off the cradle too. |
| 03:26:38 | Ober | the developer worth it? |
| 03:26:42 | Ober | -er version? |
| 03:27:00 | whardier | Ober.. guess your just gonna have to order one |
| 03:27:09 | whardier | check out how many people are in this channel most of the time |
| 03:28:52 | whardier | FUTERAMA TIME! |
| 03:29:00 | whardier | wow |
| 03:29:04 | whardier | that is so spelled wrong |
| 03:29:49 | Ober | whardier well I am on the edge of ordering one |
| 03:29:53 | tux_mike | futterrama time? |
| 03:29:58 | Ober | just want to make sure they are not releasing the final one tomorrow |
| 03:29:59 | Ober | ;D |
| 03:30:34 | whardier | oh they probably are |
| 03:30:38 | whardier | those sneaky sharp people |
| 03:30:43 | Ober | heh |
| 03:30:49 | Ober | well I was told they were releasing it this month |
| 03:30:52 | Ober | just got my bonus |
| 03:31:00 | Ober | and was trying to catch up |
| 03:31:10 | Ober | :D |
| 03:32:47 | whardier | then wait |
| 03:32:48 | whardier | heh |
| 03:33:12 | Ober | how portable has stuff been to it? |
| 03:33:25 | Ober | most automake stuff make use of the new arch ok? |
| 03:34:02 | kergoth | Ober: how easy it is to crosscompile depends on how well designed the buildsystem was |
| 03:34:17 | kergoth | Ober: autoconf helps, but a badly designed system will be a bitch to crosscompile regardless |
| 03:34:50 | whardier | err |
| 03:34:56 | whardier | for the crappy automake.sh's |
| 03:35:00 | whardier | can't we just throw in a new one? |
| 03:35:17 | Ober | exactly |
| 03:35:23 | Ober | look man, I am not trolling |
| 03:35:29 | Ober | I am just trying to get honest feedback on it |
| 03:35:35 | whardier | heh |
| 03:35:38 | whardier | is lost |
| 03:35:39 | Ober | :D |
| 03:35:44 | whardier | nobody said you were trolling |
| 03:35:44 | whardier | heh |
| 03:35:44 | kergoth | Ober: ? i'm giving you honest feedback.. i'm confused |
| 03:35:45 | Ober | 400 bucks |
| 03:36:05 | whardier | is 5.6 billion yen! |
| 03:36:33 | kergoth | nice |
| 03:36:40 | kergoth | mozilla 0.9.9 is in debian sid finally |
| 03:36:42 | Ober | heh |
| 03:36:49 | kergoth | apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade; |
| 03:37:01 | Ober | pkg_add -rf mozilla |
| 03:37:07 | kergoth | :-) |
| 03:37:49 | whardier | man I love watching glibc compile |
| 03:37:53 | kergoth | lol |
| 03:38:01 | kergoth | thats just a twisted statement |
| 03:38:04 | whardier | its so action packed. |
| 03:38:06 | kergoth | that compile takes a long ass time |
| 03:38:12 | whardier | yeah but its so lively. |
| 03:38:26 | kergoth | yeah. when i was tweaking the crosscompile i built it so many times in a row i tired of it. hehe. |
| 03:38:26 | Ober | can you use these without X? |
| 03:38:35 | kergoth | Ober: the zaurus doesnt come with X.. |
| 03:38:42 | Ober | embedded qt on what? |
| 03:38:49 | Ober | ahh |
| 03:38:57 | kergoth | qt palmtop environment from trolltech |
| 03:39:03 | Ober | ahh |
| 03:39:04 | kergoth | http://qpe.sourceforge.net/ |
| 03:39:13 | Ober | will rtfm there |
| 03:39:16 | kergoth | k |
| 03:39:21 | kergoth | its quite easy to work with |
| 03:39:23 | Ober | just most reviews are short on stuff |
| 03:39:29 | kergoth | yeah |
| 03:39:38 | Ober | mostly fluff |
| 03:40:10 | whardier | hehehe |
| 03:40:18 | whardier | shooting some big fuzzy craps |
| 03:40:52 | whardier | hows the new CEO!? |
| 03:41:10 | codemnky | heh |
| 03:41:15 | codemnky | actually i like him |
| 03:41:20 | codemnky | i just hope he doesn't can me |
| 03:41:24 | whardier | yeah.. |
| 03:41:31 | whardier | but does he drink the caffinated beer? |
| 03:41:51 | tux_mike | caffinated beer? |
| 03:41:54 | codemnky | heh |
| 03:42:01 | tux_mike | codemnky: where do you work? |
| 03:42:03 | Ober | kind of self defeating |
| 03:42:09 | codemnky | yep they have that in 7-11 |
| 03:42:15 | Ober | hmm |
| 03:42:20 | Ober | sharp does not list all the stuff it comes with |
| 03:42:22 | Ober | hardware wise |
| 03:42:25 | Ober | cradle? |
| 03:42:27 | Ober | that's it? |
| 03:42:38 | codemnky | i forgot the name |
| 03:42:38 | whardier | aaaaand a nifty instruction book |
| 03:42:38 | kergoth | Ober: usb cradle, ac adapter, plastic screen cover, stylus |
| 03:42:46 | Ober | ok |
| 03:42:54 | Ober | and the port on it supports? |
| 03:43:01 | kergoth | Ober: 'port on it' <? |
| 03:43:04 | Ober | -er the expansion slot |
| 03:43:12 | Ober | I see pictures of an ethernet card extender |
| 03:43:14 | kergoth | Ober: it has a CF memory slot and a SD memory slot, thats it |
| 03:43:18 | kergoth | Ober: you can get a CF nic |
| 03:43:28 | kergoth | yawns |
| 03:43:32 | whardier | I wonder how much an episode of futerama costs to make |
| 03:43:34 | Ober | excellent |
| 03:43:44 | Ober | whardier prolly not much |
| 03:43:49 | Ober | as they most likely export it to korea |
| 03:43:50 | Ober | :D |
| 03:43:55 | kergoth | ack |
| 03:44:09 | kergoth | whardier: the cvs source obtaining script for the oz buildsystem is all fucked up |
| 03:44:32 | kergoth | whardier: i'm just going to stuff ipkg into the rootskel for the moment, until i have it working (since we get ipkg from cvs) |
| 03:44:57 | whardier | neat |
| 03:45:36 | kergoth | man |
| 03:45:39 | kergoth | my gf's little brother |
| 03:45:43 | Ober | ok |
| 03:45:46 | kergoth | and his pathetic gang |
| 03:45:49 | Ober | I fscking bought one |
| 03:45:53 | kergoth | are trying to have me killed |
| 03:45:57 | whardier | HAHAHAHAHA |
| 03:46:07 | whardier | how old is he? |
| 03:46:09 | Ober | hey man, I have been holding out to get one of these things |
| 03:46:13 | kergoth | 17 or some shit |
| 03:46:25 | kergoth | white boy pretending to be latino |
| 03:46:27 | kergoth | one of those fuckers |
| 03:46:38 | whardier | why? |
| 03:46:42 | whardier | about the killing? |
| 03:46:44 | kergoth | fuckin coward to. this is one of those kids that'll fuck with your car cuz he wont bring it to you |
| 03:46:48 | kergoth | whardier: check this |
| 03:46:53 | whardier | ok |
| 03:47:02 | kergoth | whardier: becasue i hung up the phone on him one time when i called and asked for my gf and he said she wasnt there |
| 03:47:04 | kergoth | whardier: or some shit |
| 03:47:07 | kergoth | whardier: fucking hilarious |
| 03:47:19 | whardier | what did he do to your car? |
| 03:47:25 | kergoth | nothing.. yet |
| 03:47:28 | whardier | ah |
| 03:47:29 | whardier | we |
| 03:47:31 | whardier | err |
| 03:47:31 | whardier | well |
| 03:47:32 | kergoth | but i know him. fucking coward |
| 03:47:36 | whardier | if he does.. just press charges :) |
| 03:47:39 | kergoth | yeah |
| 03:47:41 | kergoth | planning on it |
| 03:47:44 | whardier | then you can show him how cowards REALLY work |
| 03:47:47 | kergoth | no shit |
| 03:47:52 | kergoth | his parents kicked him out |
| 03:47:56 | kergoth | and took his key |
| 03:47:56 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:48:08 | whardier | so whats your GF think of all this? |
| 03:48:15 | kergoth | she knows her bro's a stupid motherfucker |
| 03:48:19 | kergoth | he was threating her life too |
| 03:48:30 | kergoth | and said he's gonna get some fat mexican bitch to kick her ass, since he wont |
| 03:48:35 | kergoth | whats funny is |
| 03:48:40 | kergoth | he recorded death threats on her voice mail |
| 03:48:42 | kergoth | lmao |
| 03:49:16 | whardier | whats his issue? |
| 03:49:23 | kergoth | dunno |
| 03:49:25 | kergoth | fucked up kid |
| 03:49:31 | codemnky | when's the new openz coming out? ;) |
| 03:49:36 | kergoth | already dealin and shit |
| 03:49:53 | kergoth | codemnky: patience, my friend. soon. :-) |
| 03:49:58 | kergoth | codemnky: actually have it booting and being useful |
| 03:50:00 | codemnky | oh goodie |
| 03:50:09 | kergoth | codemnky: ipkg support comes next, so people can actually install and use it for stuff |
| 03:50:11 | kergoth | codemnky: hehe |
| 03:50:15 | codemnky | i'm just joking, but i'm excited too |
| 03:50:25 | codemnky | lets get some icons on openz |
| 03:50:40 | whardier | ? |
| 03:51:03 | codemnky | meaning more than that 1 image |
| 03:51:14 | codemnky | you are the image dude whardier, come on! |
| 03:51:18 | whardier | what do you mean? |
| 03:51:18 | codemnky | ;) |
| 03:51:27 | whardier | more than pingizauru? |
| 03:51:31 | whardier | or more than one? |
| 03:51:37 | codemnky | heh |
| 03:53:41 | whardier | holy hell |
| 03:53:46 | whardier | I think glibc is almost done |
| 03:54:23 | codemnky | brbbb |
| 03:55:01 | whardier | be right back blond boobies |
| 03:55:13 | tux_mike | woah... froot is 1.2M |
| 03:55:21 | whardier | hah |
| 03:55:22 | whardier | really! |
| 03:55:29 | whardier | I new I ewanted to redo their graphics |
| 03:55:39 | whardier | 1.2 megs is too much |
| 03:55:40 | whardier | heh |
| 03:55:41 | tux_mike | well, that's the executable |
| 03:55:46 | whardier | AH |
| 03:55:50 | tux_mike | the graphics are small |
| 03:55:55 | tux_mike | and fruity :) |
| 03:55:55 | whardier | what the hell are they statically linking QTOPIA! |
| 03:56:05 | tux_mike | i think it may be me not stripping it |
| 03:56:12 | whardier | well |
| 03:56:15 | whardier | give it a good stripping |
| 03:56:36 | tux_mike | um, yah, that brought it down to 171k ^_^ |
| 03:56:51 | roge99 | no stripping the modules kergoth :-P |
| 03:57:07 | ljp_ | dont forget the swanky music when you do that! |
| 03:57:07 | tux_mike | no one will let him live that down |
| 03:57:40 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:57:43 | Hellaenergy | where is karma sutra whardier? |
| 03:57:49 | kergoth | roge99: shush |
| 03:57:52 | kergoth | roge99: :-P |
| 03:58:09 | tux_mike | any other good software for the Z? |
| 03:58:14 | whardier | ? |
| 03:58:19 | tux_mike | wants to start using his Z |
| 03:58:26 | tux_mike | games, utils, anything :) |
| 03:58:31 | ljp_ | nope.. there's no other good software |
| 03:58:42 | Hellaenergy | with the check boxes :) |
| 03:58:55 | Hellaenergy | I'm still waiting on that one |
| 03:59:05 | Hellaenergy | Or do I need to do it myself |
| 03:59:06 | tux_mike | ljp_: you're gutenbrowser tarball.... *grumble* cleanup in isle 6. |
| 03:59:56 | ljp_ | hehehe |
| 04:02:38 | tux_mike | :P |
| 04:03:29 | tux_mike | ljp_: does gutenbrowser need an internet connection? |
| 04:04:18 | ljp_ | not really. You can import already downloaded etexts |
| 04:04:26 | tux_mike | ok |
| 04:04:39 | tux_mike | i need more software! |
| 04:05:49 | Hellaenergy | whos got an ipaq? |
| 04:07:41 | tux_mike | gah! ZZ isn't letting me download anything |
| 04:08:12 | Hellaenergy | tux_mike: must still be upgrading apache :| |
| 04:08:17 | ljp_ | he hasn't enabled downloads yet? |
| 04:08:21 | tux_mike | nope |
| 04:08:25 | tux_mike | i want software! |
| 04:08:32 | Hellaenergy | What do you need? |
| 04:08:50 | Hellaenergy | go to the opie site |
| 04:09:11 | tux_mike | everything! :) |
| 04:09:21 | tux_mike | any software i can get my hands on that i may use :) |
| 04:09:35 | Hellaenergy | Quit pownding your fork! |
| 04:09:41 | ljp_ | opie's soon going to have an alarm clock |
| 04:10:04 | Hellaenergy | How about a hologram projector? |
| 04:10:10 | tux_mike | that'll work |
| 04:10:31 | tux_mike | i want to put my Z to more use :) i haven't used it enough |
| 04:11:35 | ljp_ | it'll be more useful once OZ 3 is released |
| 04:11:36 | Hellaenergy | Wow the acual man/woman behind the Guest account has entered the room |
| 04:11:58 | tux_mike | yah |
| 04:12:31 | Hellaenergy | Is there a java dev contest going on |
| 04:12:43 | Hellaenergy | no one devs in java around here it seems |
| 04:12:46 | ljp_ | not yet |
| 04:13:03 | Hellaenergy | Java Haters!!! |
| 04:13:13 | ljp_ | I drink java.. when I develop.. does that count? |
| 04:13:43 | Hellaenergy | Acually that is one of the things that originally turned me on to the Z |
| 04:14:00 | Hellaenergy | Don't really care bout it now |
| 04:15:02 | NeoTron | is back (gone 09:30:38) |
| 04:15:04 | Hellaenergy | That little Quasar demo is a cool little applet though |
| 04:16:20 | Hellaenergy | Remember when it used to get transparent when you selected somthing else? That was kind of cool |
| 04:16:26 | Hellaenergy | uh uh |
| 04:18:51 | whardier | seinfeld.. what a great plot in every episode |
| 04:19:11 | Hellaenergy | nothing |
| 04:19:27 | kergoth | ack, theres no way in hell im driving to work tomorrow |
| 04:20:17 | whardier | how many inches? |
| 04:20:25 | Hellaenergy | that makes two of us :) |
| 04:20:30 | kergoth | Hellaenergy: what are we at now, 12 in? |
| 04:20:40 | whardier | we had 4 |
| 04:20:41 | whardier | :) |
| 04:20:49 | Hellaenergy | dono, havent been out side in like 5hrs |
| 04:20:56 | kergoth | heheh |
| 04:21:24 | Hellaenergy | kergoth: is it bad where you are? |
| 04:21:35 | Hellaenergy | It's not that bad downtown here |
| 04:21:39 | whardier | fakeroot rules |
| 04:21:47 | ljp_ | ski to work |
| 04:21:47 | Hellaenergy | why? |
| 04:22:00 | Hellaenergy | ljp_: thats what I'm bout bout |
| 04:22:03 | kergoth | Hellaenergy: its calmed down a bit, and the fact that its mostly snow, and less ice, makes it pretty sane |
| 04:22:03 | Hellaenergy | y |
| 04:22:12 | kergoth | whardier: yup |
| 04:22:29 | whardier | its gonna snow again tonight |
| 04:22:31 | whardier | I can feel it |
| 04:22:32 | Hellaenergy | I am still playin hooky |
| 04:22:38 | Hellaenergy | fuck it |
| 04:22:42 | Hellaenergy | fuck |
| 04:22:45 | Hellaenergy | fuck |
| 04:22:46 | Hellaenergy | fuck |
| 04:22:46 | whardier | f? |
| 04:22:54 | Hellaenergy | sorry |
| 04:23:00 | Hellaenergy | it sliped |
| 04:23:36 | Hellaenergy | Why is fake root soo cool what are you using it for? |
| 04:23:51 | kergoth | Hellaenergy: fakeroot saved me having to make a few patches to makefiles in the buildsystem |
| 04:23:51 | whardier | I can hack with it |
| 04:23:54 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:24:07 | Hellaenergy | good testin |
| 04:24:08 | Hellaenergy | huh |
| 04:24:23 | whardier | mkfs.jffs2: etc/init.d/halt: Permission denied |
| 04:24:25 | whardier | err |
| 04:25:22 | ljp_ | looks like qpe's code freeze might be over |
| 04:25:35 | Hellaenergy | You guys worked with the irda compatability at all |
| 04:25:49 | Hellaenergy | what PDA's does it work with |
| 04:26:06 | Hellaenergy | I tried with a casiopia and it failed :( |
| 04:26:24 | Hellaenergy | no sync for me. |
| 04:27:44 | tux_mike | hrm... odd. my Z locked up |
| 04:30:19 | kergoth | whardier: did you see they got picogui running on a dreamcast? |
| 04:34:18 | whardier | Hah |
| 04:34:22 | whardier | I gotta try that out |
| 04:42:03 | tux_mike | wierd. my z locked up twice when i put it in the cradle |
| 04:54:37 | ][N-Flux | hrmmmm |
| 05:00:28 | tux_mike | my dog is funny when it sleeps |
| 05:01:00 | ][N-Flux | ??? |
| 05:01:26 | tux_mike | twiches, barks lightly, you know, dream stuff |
| 05:03:44 | ][N-Flux | yeah |
| 05:03:58 | ][N-Flux | My Iguana has been ill |
| 05:04:05 | ][N-Flux | had a nice big growth on her jaw |
| 05:04:20 | ][N-Flux | fell off last night |
| 05:04:25 | ][N-Flux | was quite sexy |
| 05:05:18 | tux_mike | my Z also takes a while to reboot. |
| 05:05:23 | roge99 | nite all |
| 05:05:27 | tux_mike | when done from command line/reboot button |
| 05:05:32 | tux_mike | nite roge |
| 05:05:38 | roge99 | is away: ZZzzzzZZzzz |
| 05:06:08 | ][N-Flux | anything new today |
| 05:06:17 | ][N-Flux | I've been missing the daily chat's |
| 05:07:21 | tux_mike | not really |
| 05:07:52 | ][N-Flux | dev seems to have slowed |
| 05:07:59 | ][N-Flux | or at least been less public |
| 05:13:43 | fusion94 | pad thai noodles....yummy |
| 05:15:29 | tux_mike | ][N-Flux: i'd just say devlopment has quieted down. |
| 05:15:39 | tux_mike | not that it slowed, or is less public |
| 05:16:13 | kergoth | oh nice |
| 05:16:17 | kergoth | i got ipkg working on oz |
| 05:16:27 | fusion94 | is away: dinner |
| 05:16:38 | kergoth | i gotta compile a opie build for the zaurus and fire up a feed quick for testing |
| 05:16:56 | tux_mike | sweet |
| 05:17:06 | ][N-Flux | brb |
| 05:17:09 | tux_mike | woo. speed improvements in gnuboy :) |
| 05:17:16 | kergoth | tux_mike: really? nice |
| 05:17:24 | tux_mike | yup, seems to be at 100% now |
| 05:17:48 | tux_mike | now, if i can only get to the website to figure out the dang buttons |
| 05:17:55 | tux_mike | but ZZ is being a bitch |
| 05:34:30 | nasa | Anyone know when zauruszone will be back up? |
| 05:34:47 | kergoth | nasa: only jason would know |
| 05:34:55 | kergoth | he hasnt said anything about it recently |
| 05:35:04 | kergoth | other than it SHOULD have been fixed today, which it obviously wasnt |
| 05:35:04 | nasa | oh |
| 05:35:32 | nasa | I would like to try out the mame for the z though |
| 05:38:14 | ][N-Flux | sighs |
| 05:41:38 | Shunt | Anybody get rom 1.12 yet? |
| 05:42:00 | kergoth | 1.12? |
| 05:42:28 | Shunt | sorry, 1.13 |
| 05:42:31 | Shunt | http://more.sbc.co.jp/slj/qa/test/check/download.asp |
| 05:43:23 | kergoth | ah |
| 05:43:26 | kergoth | didnt know it was avail |
| 05:43:27 | kergoth | haha |
| 05:43:30 | kergoth | i love their changelog |
| 05:43:36 | kergoth | " 1. Romimage 1.10/1.11 bug fix" |
| 05:43:36 | Shunt | doesn't seem to be, bad link when you click it |
| 05:43:40 | kergoth | ah |
| 05:44:39 | ][N-Flux | what's new in the rom |
| 05:44:50 | Shunt | hancom |
| 05:45:02 | ][N-Flux | neat |
| 05:45:26 | tux_mike | hancom is in the rom? |
| 05:45:45 | Shunt | yes, so they claim |
| 05:45:47 | Shunt | can't download it |
| 05:46:00 | ][N-Flux | This version is equivalent to the romimage of the SL-5500 except for memory map and Hancom Office Suites. Following are the digests of the added functions and improvements to romimage version 1.10/1.11: |
| 05:46:01 | tux_mike | it looks like they say it's not in the rom |
| 05:46:25 | ][N-Flux | good old 404 |
| 05:47:13 | Shunt | oh... musta missed that |
| 05:47:40 | Shunt | weird that they'd change nothing then? |
| 05:48:11 | ][N-Flux | blah |
| 05:48:19 | tux_mike | it's prolly just bug fixes |
| 05:48:19 | ][N-Flux | we need doom or quake dammit |
| 05:48:27 | tux_mike | we need SDL |
| 05:48:46 | Shunt | tux_mike: no... no fixes except for the 1.11 fixes |
| 05:48:50 | ][N-Flux | isn't NeoTron working on that |
| 05:49:06 | kergoth | ][N-Flux: yeah he is |
| 05:49:14 | tux_mike | cool :) |
| 05:49:22 | tux_mike | i don't have to do it. woot! :) |
| 05:49:36 | NeoTron | Yes |
| 05:49:43 | tux_mike | how's it coming? |
| 05:49:58 | NeoTron | http://david.hedbor.org/tmp/sdl.png |
| 05:50:25 | NeoTron | I REALLY want to test this on my Zaurus before any release of the code |
| 05:50:25 | ][N-Flux | :) |
| 05:50:28 | ][N-Flux | Wheeeee |
| 05:50:32 | tux_mike | fairly well |
| 05:50:34 | tux_mike | i take it |
| 05:50:43 | NeoTron | Yeah. Drawing, event handling... |
| 05:50:52 | ][N-Flux | I need a new laptop |
| 05:50:56 | NeoTron | last work I did was on getting fullscreen / windowed toggling to work |
| 05:51:04 | tux_mike | NeoTron: i can test it for you too. i have done some SDL work myself, granted i was gonna do this before i got bogged down |
| 05:51:12 | tux_mike | ][N-Flux: same here |
| 05:51:22 | NeoTron | I need _a_ laptop |
| 05:51:23 | ][N-Flux | http://www.accessmicro.com/Doc/NTBECMOA900AKIT.php3 <----was looking at this |
| 05:51:45 | ][N-Flux | gonan sell my current one, just need to have something else lined up |
| 05:52:01 | tux_mike | i want a toshiba |
| 05:52:05 | tux_mike | i need a good job first |
| 05:52:18 | ][N-Flux | Libretto L2 :) |
| 05:52:34 | tux_mike | nah, satellite 5005 |
| 05:53:34 | ][N-Flux | actually I can't complain too much about my armada |
| 05:53:40 | tux_mike | i can |
| 05:53:51 | tux_mike | what model do you have? |
| 05:54:04 | ][N-Flux | m300 |
| 05:54:06 | ][N-Flux | p2 333 |
| 05:54:12 | tux_mike | m700, 400mhz |
| 05:54:13 | ][N-Flux | it's a slim one |
| 05:54:19 | tux_mike | this thing is a hunk of shite |
| 05:54:35 | tux_mike | of course it's from the very first run |
| 05:54:54 | ][N-Flux | wh00p |
| 05:55:00 | ][N-Flux | pokemon advance :P |
| 05:55:01 | tux_mike | and compaq's parts department are a bunch of bitches. |
| 05:55:04 | tux_mike | evil |
| 05:55:49 | ][N-Flux | yeah they are |
| 05:55:54 | ][N-Flux | we are a compaq dealer |
| 05:56:12 | tux_mike | i used to work at a compaq dealer. ugh |
| 05:56:18 | tux_mike | hp was worse, much worse, though |
| 05:57:12 | tux_mike | well, i'm off to get some shut eye |
| 05:57:23 | ][N-Flux | night |
| 05:57:29 | ][N-Flux | soon myself as well |
| 05:57:32 | nasa | so has anyone been able to download this new rom? |
| 05:57:33 | kergoth | night mike |
| 05:59:52 | ][N-Flux | is away: sleepy.... |
| 05:59:56 | ][N-Flux | night all |
| 06:03:43 | nasa | night |
| 06:16:17 | NeoTron | hacks a new game. Just because. |
| 06:19:32 | kergoth | I'm working on the debian package building scripts.. trying to put together a useful buildsystem for familiar, openzaurus, etc |
| 07:09:20 | fusion94 | is away: Law & Order |
| 09:14:08 | Guest1 | Is it possible to download the winning applications? |
| 09:51:07 | twiun | Morning all |
| 10:38:01 | twiun | BZFlag: ping |
| 10:46:59 | | TimRiker was last seen on #tuxscreen 33 days, 5 hours, 8 minutes and 39 seconds ago, saying: Hiraghm: hah. code name Calypso I'll bet. ;-) [Sun Feb 10 05:38:20 2002] |
| 10:46:59 | twiun | ibot seen TimRiker |
| 10:47:12 | | BZFlag was last seen on #bzflag 38 minutes and 20 seconds ago, saying: heh [Fri Mar 15 10:08:52 2002] |
| 10:47:12 | twiun | ibot seen BZFlag |
| 10:52:54 | BZFlag | Twiun: pong. |
| 10:53:11 | Twiun | I have a quick question... |
| 10:54:05 | Twiun | do you know if anyone got the ethernet-usb patch working with the 1.1x roms? |
| 10:54:14 | Twiun | (it compiles fine) |
| 10:54:31 | Twiun | modprobe complains about a missing echo_tx symbol though |
| 11:03:15 | BZFlag | not that I know of, no. |
| 11:03:59 | Twiun | ok, I'll bother Jason about it then |
| 13:20:43 | ][N-Flux | is away: Work... |
| 13:51:58 | Kand-ALF | is AWAY at 14:54:13 : getting food |
| 14:09:40 | bipolar | is back (gone 17:29:38) |
| 15:03:16 | peanut | any timefram on 1.12/13? |
| 15:03:32 | peanut | oh wait.. next week! |
| 15:03:33 | peanut | hahaha |
| 15:04:58 | whardier | eats peanut |
| 15:05:32 | peanut | smacks whardier |
| 15:06:27 | whardier | my memory smacks of shortage! |
| 15:06:54 | peanut | oh.. it looks like 1.13 will still not have hancom |
| 15:07:43 | peanut | hrmm.. |
| 15:07:46 | peanut | 3/22.. |
| 15:07:53 | whardier | Jumbalaya Jaya Jellybeans! |
| 15:08:00 | peanut | guesses that the 55 will hit 3/22 |
| 15:08:14 | peanut | and that the rom released on that day for the 50 will not have hancom.. |
| 15:09:08 | whardier | what is the alternate CDCEther thing? |
| 15:09:50 | peanut | usbdnet |
| 15:09:58 | peanut | much faster than cdcether |
| 15:09:59 | peanut | but |
| 15:10:04 | peanut | is not smp safe |
| 15:10:11 | peanut | actually, it doesn't seem to work on an smp box |
| 15:10:14 | whardier | heh |
| 15:10:22 | peanut | hasn't looked at.. |
| 15:10:24 | whardier | but single processor boxes are fine? |
| 15:10:32 | peanut | i stopped carrying my cradle back and forth weeks ago |
| 15:10:34 | peanut | yes |
| 15:10:42 | peanut | i use it at home on my laptop, works great, fast |
| 15:11:16 | whardier | I need to install fbvncserver |
| 15:12:08 | whardier | if sourceforge would ever come up |
| 15:12:34 | mandrake | I use usbnet for my ipaq |
| 15:12:47 | mandrake | but I hook it up via my laptop (not smp, obviously) |
| 15:13:03 | mandrake | then again, usbnet has a tendancy to kernel panic my laptop also |
| 15:13:07 | peanut | no.. |
| 15:13:08 | mandrake | it's very picky |
| 15:13:09 | peanut | not usbnet |
| 15:13:11 | peanut | usbdnet |
| 15:14:52 | peanut | the funniest thing is that hp has a copyright statement in usbdnet |
| 15:15:01 | peanut | as well as lineo.. |
| 15:15:15 | JHPerlow | yo. |
| 15:15:17 | peanut | usbdnet is derived from usbnet |
| 15:15:19 | peanut | hey jason! |
| 15:15:25 | peanut | so no hancom in 3/22 rom eh? |
| 15:15:34 | peanut | and.. whats with that date |
| 15:15:35 | peanut | eh? |
| 15:15:35 | JHPerlow | that has not been determined yet |
| 15:15:38 | peanut | laughs |
| 15:15:39 | JHPerlow | it might |
| 15:15:52 | peanut | i'm just giving you a hard time.. |
| 15:15:58 | peanut | whats the bugfix though? |
| 15:16:07 | peanut | is very happy with 1.11 |
| 15:16:09 | whardier | kergoth.. baby.. |
| 15:16:19 | whardier | please say you have a ipk of fbvncviewer! |
| 15:16:23 | peanut | though some of the thekompany apps still give me memory errors |
| 15:16:24 | kergoth | greetings |
| 15:16:25 | whardier | sourceforge is being twat like |
| 15:16:45 | kergoth | whardier: no, i dont. i havent kept my ipk collection up to date, since i havent had ipkg on my Z for a while |
| 15:16:50 | kergoth | hey peanut |
| 15:16:56 | peanut | hey kergoth! |
| 15:16:56 | whardier | figured |
| 15:16:57 | whardier | :) |
| 15:17:03 | peanut | are you running opie? |
| 15:17:30 | peanut | or OZzzzzzzz |
| 15:17:56 | kergoth | peanut: s/or/and/ |
| 15:18:15 | peanut | kewl.. |
| 15:18:17 | kergoth | peanut: opie is a gui, oz is a software distribution. one includes the other :-) |
| 15:18:41 | peanut | opie's in oz? |
| 15:18:44 | kergoth | whardier: have you tried installing opie on oz 3.0 from cvs yet? |
| 15:18:48 | kergoth | whardier: i was about to |
| 15:19:26 | peanut | needs caffeine |
| 15:19:33 | kergoth | peanut: yeah, it always has been. The first changes to the qtopia codebase were by whardier and I for openzaurus. then we forked |
| 15:19:34 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:19:39 | kergoth | afk |
| 15:19:46 | whardier | kergoth.. I am still working on openssl for openssh |
| 15:19:52 | whardier | its not friendly |
| 15:19:59 | whardier | might as well grab the ipkg |
| 15:20:05 | whardier | then worry about that layer |
| 15:20:08 | kergoth | whardier: hehe |
| 15:20:09 | whardier | s/layer/later |
| 15:20:13 | whardier | its bastardized |
| 15:20:22 | kergoth | whardier: yeah, now that we can install binary ipks, we can wait until i have it building from debian packages... |
| 15:20:29 | kergoth | whardier: heh |
| 15:20:34 | whardier | uses nothing but uname to get the specs on what build it should do |
| 15:20:39 | peanut | yawns.. |
| 15:20:44 | kergoth | whardier: ack |
| 15:20:49 | kergoth | whardier: thats fucked |
| 15:20:58 | whardier | I am gonna try again before just using the ipk |
| 15:21:22 | kergoth | hey codemnky |
| 15:21:25 | codemnky | yo |
| 15:22:45 | peanut | argh.. |
| 15:22:48 | peanut | slaps jason.. |
| 15:22:54 | peanut | whats with the login now on zauruszone? |
| 15:24:35 | kergoth | shit. 150 packages upgraded. fun fun |
| 15:24:43 | kergoth | i love apt-get |
| 15:24:45 | kergoth | peanut: login? |
| 15:25:06 | kergoth | peanut: oh, that login |
| 15:25:07 | kergoth | peanut: lol |
| 15:25:22 | codemnky | brb |
| 15:35:12 | sieve | maonin |
| 15:37:53 | whardier | hmm |
| 15:38:04 | whardier | wonders if he can use socks3.rochester.ibm.com |
| 15:38:14 | kergoth | hehe |
| 15:38:59 | whardier | I have been getting a lot of emails lately about me scanning their ports |
| 15:39:00 | whardier | hehe |
| 15:39:07 | whardier | well.. peoples ports.. in general |
| 15:39:14 | tgall_foo | morn |
| 15:39:26 | kergoth | morning tgall_foo |
| 15:39:34 | tgall_foo | whardier: better that then reports of you sniffin' their butt 8-) |
| 15:39:36 | sieve | maonin |
| 15:39:39 | whardier | heh |
| 15:45:50 | zecke | anyone here can give me a addressbook.xml with more than one entry? |
| 15:49:04 | zecke | thanks |
| 15:58:04 | kergoth | yawns |
| 16:06:35 | tux_mike | kergoth: any more luck with OZ? |
| 16:07:30 | kergoth | tux_mike: well it STILL boots! |
| 16:07:31 | kergoth | tux_mike: hehe |
| 16:07:47 | kergoth | tux_mike: ipkg/C is in the root skeleton now.. in theory one could actually start installing shit |
| 16:07:51 | kergoth | tux_mike: i havent tested yet though |
| 16:35:26 | JHPerlow | anyone gonna be at javaone? |
| 16:35:44 | Aelfweld | hmm is it in nyc? |
| 16:35:52 | JHPerlow | san francisco |
| 16:35:59 | Aelfweld | nope not I then |
| 16:36:08 | JHPerlow | if anyone wants to buy some VERY cheap SL-5000's, we will have them there |
| 16:36:26 | Aelfweld | I'd liek to get one can I get it here? ;) |
| 16:36:45 | JHPerlow | gotta buy it at the show :) |
| 16:36:53 | Aelfweld | darn it |
| 16:38:22 | Aelfweld | hmm I got mine at lwce for free with a squishy tipped stylus. can I use that as a magic pass for getting the cheap deal? |
| 16:38:38 | Aelfweld | they stylus was $399 though |
| 16:43:42 | Twiun | How cheap is cheap? |
| 16:44:08 | Twiun | (wonders if he can get someone from the SF office to pop down to javaone ;-) |
| 16:48:29 | scanline | is away: tired... about to pass out... will very definitely crash after class... |
| 16:49:19 | Benny19 | excuse, I'm searching for Jonas Luster? Do somebody know you I catch him? ;-) |
| 16:50:24 | Benny19 | how I get connect to him... |
| 17:03:02 | JHPerlow | Twiun: try $199 |
| 17:03:31 | JHPerlow | we are blowing out the remainder of the SL5000 inventory |
| 17:03:39 | JHPerlow | selling 2200 units at the show |
| 17:03:42 | Twiun | That's what I though |
| 17:03:49 | whardier | err |
| 17:03:54 | whardier | $199? |
| 17:03:57 | whardier | where do I sign up? |
| 17:04:03 | JHPerlow | yes ,for the SL-5000 |
| 17:04:07 | JHPerlow | at Javaone |
| 17:04:09 | whardier | fine by me |
| 17:04:09 | whardier | haha |
| 17:04:11 | JHPerlow | gotta buy it in person |
| 17:04:18 | whardier | DAMNIT! |
| 17:04:22 | whardier | I don;t have one of those! |
| 17:04:31 | kergoth | whardier: heh |
| 17:04:39 | Twiun | Isn't there a registration fee for javaone on top of this? |
| 17:04:49 | whardier | got to put a large sum of money in the bank this morning |
| 17:04:50 | JHPerlow | no not for the show floor |
| 17:04:53 | whardier | I wanna spend some |
| 17:05:03 | JHPerlow | the entrance fee is not a lot |
| 17:05:09 | JHPerlow | for just the convention hall |
| 17:05:17 | whardier | damn java people |
| 17:05:24 | Twiun | Hehe |
| 17:05:26 | BZFlag | someone(tm) should pick em all up and ebay em for $300. ;-) |
| 17:05:49 | JHPerlow | I think I will buy at least 4 |
| 17:05:53 | JHPerlow | for relatives as gifts |
| 17:05:54 | whardier | fucker |
| 17:06:04 | whardier | damnit damn damn |
| 17:06:07 | JHPerlow | just reflash em with the production rom that is gonna be released soon |
| 17:06:15 | Twiun | Hehe - looks like all the SF guys already have pda's |
| 17:06:21 | Twiun | sniffs sadly |
| 17:09:03 | JHPerlow | sun is making a big zaurus announcement at the show |
| 17:09:08 | JHPerlow | I cant talk about it yet. |
| 17:09:26 | bipolar | JHPerlow: uh huh.... |
| 17:09:31 | bipolar | :0 |
| 17:09:58 | ljp_akk | I'm still waiting for TT to make an announcement of when they ship the Z's |
| 17:10:14 | JHPerlow | they havent gotten them yet |
| 17:10:33 | bipolar | de do de do |
| 17:10:33 | JHPerlow | we are probably going to have to extend the deadline again |
| 17:10:59 | ljp_akk | heh.. firgured so.. I'm ready.. but most of the winners arent as fortunate as I |
| 17:11:23 | JHPerlow | right now all the 5000's are being reflashed |
| 17:11:28 | JHPerlow | all the ones remaining in inventory |
| 17:11:32 | JHPerlow | at a factory in chicago |
| 17:11:41 | JHPerlow | with the 5500 production rom |
| 17:11:41 | ljp_akk | I was hoping they would magically be turned into 5500's |
| 17:12:02 | JHPerlow | some of them may be shipped from JavaOne |
| 17:12:05 | bipolar | JHPerlow: the only diff is the amount of ram, right? |
| 17:12:14 | JHPerlow | only diff bipolar |
| 17:12:31 | ljp_akk | battery, charger/cradle are different, also.. no? |
| 17:12:41 | JHPerlow | cradle is, battery no |
| 17:13:04 | JHPerlow | if you want to buy a spare cradle you can use the 5500 one |
| 17:13:10 | JHPerlow | we will have those on sale as well |
| 17:13:32 | kergoth | re |
| 17:13:38 | ljp_akk | I'd rather have just a usb to Zaurus cable, so I can use the hardware keyboard |
| 17:13:38 | kergoth | nice, i need a spare cradle |
| 17:13:48 | kergoth | ljp_akk: ah, thatd be nice |
| 17:14:11 | ljp_akk | ya.. they must have no consulted me when designing that cradle :) |
| 17:15:03 | kergoth | hehe. i hate that. not consulting you |
| 17:15:05 | kergoth | pfft |
| 17:15:05 | kergoth | :-P |
| 17:16:05 | codemnky | howdy |
| 17:16:30 | Fluxwerk | anyone have experienc with isa nic's in redhat? |
| 17:16:47 | Fluxwerk | trying to get one going and I can ping it, but not anyone else |
| 17:16:53 | kergoth | Fluxwerk: yep. though #redhat is probably the best place to go. hehe. |
| 17:17:07 | Fluxwerk | just asking here first |
| 17:17:15 | kergoth | Fluxwerk: the ip of your eth interface.. when you ping it, it goes throught the loopback interface, not out the ethernet |
| 17:17:22 | kergoth | s/throught/through/ |
| 17:17:26 | kergoth | re codemnky |
| 17:17:48 | Fluxwerk | I hate isa |
| 17:17:50 | Fluxwerk | :/ |
| 17:18:42 | kergoth | Fluxwerk: the network module giving any errors? |
| 17:18:57 | kergoth | Fluxwerk: is it using a conflicting i/o address, irq, or memory range? |
| 17:20:46 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:21:53 | Fluxwerk | ugh |
| 17:22:05 | Fluxwerk | not used to text based irc anymore ;P |
| 17:22:34 | kergoth | re |
| 17:22:42 | whardier | err |
| 17:22:49 | whardier | does fbvncviewer have mouse/kb support yet? |
| 17:22:56 | kergoth | whardier: should |
| 17:23:04 | kergoth | hey Hellaenergy |
| 17:23:09 | Hellaenergy | hey bro |
| 17:23:18 | kergoth | whats goin on |
| 17:23:35 | Hellaenergy | just messin with hdparm |
| 17:23:43 | Hellaenergy | tweakin |
| 17:24:35 | whardier | err |
| 17:24:36 | whardier | damnit |
| 17:25:09 | whardier | fbvncstuff es no worky worky |
| 17:25:10 | whardier | :( |
| 17:25:44 | ljp_akk | stoopid Q'- where do I get -lXpm? |
| 17:27:42 | whardier | oops |
| 17:27:43 | whardier | ima jackass |
| 17:27:46 | whardier | read the readme |
| 17:27:48 | whardier | it now works :) |
| 17:28:31 | Twiun | JHPerlow: what's the outlook of usb-ether on linux? |
| 17:29:03 | whardier | I should add pointer support to fbvncviewer |
| 17:29:16 | Fluxwerk | that would be nice |
| 17:29:20 | whardier | or find out how to turn on pointer support |
| 17:29:24 | whardier | wants to use x2vnc |
| 17:29:28 | whardier | but there are no hotkeys |
| 17:31:21 | whardier | ok |
| 17:31:25 | whardier | I need to run opie on my Z |
| 17:31:31 | whardier | as well as on a vnc server somewhere |
| 17:31:36 | whardier | then get syncing to work :) |
| 17:31:41 | whardier | the ever address book |
| 17:34:35 | kergoth | whardier: man. the debian auto build system is such a maze of scripts... ugliness. |
| 17:34:44 | whardier | heh |
| 17:34:48 | kergoth | very unpleasant |
| 17:34:49 | whardier | you want a maze of uglyness |
| 17:34:52 | kergoth | no |
| 17:34:53 | kergoth | heheh |
| 17:34:58 | whardier | x2vnc -south to the zaurus and x2x -west to my laptop |
| 17:35:06 | kergoth | hah |
| 17:35:07 | ljp_akk | debian IS ugliness |
| 17:35:11 | ljp_akk | hides |
| 17:35:12 | whardier | kicks ljp |
| 17:35:17 | whardier | *whiffed* |
| 17:35:21 | kergoth | hrmph |
| 17:35:35 | ljp_akk | kidding |
| 17:35:45 | whardier | what is akk? |
| 17:35:45 | Neo|Work | is away: I'm busy |
| 17:35:53 | ljp_akk | its not as bad as LinuxOne |
| 17:36:00 | Neo|Work | is back (gone 00:00:01) |
| 17:36:03 | ljp_akk | uh... I dunno |
| 17:36:08 | whardier | :) |
| 17:36:21 | ljp_akk | its the word that the cat from Bloom county always made |
| 17:36:26 | Neo|Work | mornin |
| 17:36:28 | whardier | hmm |
| 17:36:36 | kergoth | ljp_akk: xpm: you wanted to know how to get -lXpm.. apt-get, thats how. :-P |
| 17:36:39 | whardier | fbvncviewer should be in openzaurus by default |
| 17:36:42 | whardier | just to help development |
| 17:36:46 | kergoth | whardier: of course |
| 17:36:49 | kergoth | whardier: on the todo list |
| 17:36:51 | kergoth | whardier: hehe |
| 17:36:53 | whardier | heh |
| 17:36:58 | whardier | how does ipk merging work? |
| 17:37:00 | kergoth | whardier: pierre released the source, so its just another buildsystem addition |
| 17:37:14 | kergoth | whardier: 'ipk merging'? as in, ipk->rom? |
| 17:37:22 | whardier | suuure |
| 17:37:34 | whardier | and does it build an ipkg status? |
| 17:37:38 | kergoth | whardier: not yet |
| 17:37:41 | kergoth | whardier: it only extracts it atm |
| 17:37:44 | whardier | err wait.. |
| 17:37:47 | whardier | ipkg is cool |
| 17:37:53 | whardier | you can set the root install path |
| 17:37:55 | kergoth | whardier: it needs to add the item to the db, and queue up postinst & preinst for execution on boot |
| 17:38:06 | kergoth | whardier: yeah, thats true. i wonder if it stores that path in the ipkg db? |
| 17:38:10 | whardier | we should chroot with ipkg install |
| 17:38:13 | whardier | that would fix that |
| 17:38:24 | kergoth | oh thats true |
| 17:39:08 | whardier | just make a i386-bin/ dir in the root |
| 17:39:13 | whardier | then remove that later when we mkjffs2 |
| 17:39:21 | kergoth | yeah |
| 17:39:25 | kergoth | get to work :-P |
| 17:39:27 | kergoth | heheh |
| 17:39:31 | whardier | err |
| 17:39:39 | whardier | damnit |
| 17:39:40 | kergoth | have you tested a recent openzaurus build? I havent checked to see if the ipkg i built actually works |
| 17:39:43 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:39:51 | whardier | I have not actually tested it :) |
| 17:39:55 | whardier | but it built! |
| 17:40:03 | kergoth | oh good |
| 17:40:04 | whardier | as root |
| 17:40:06 | Neo|Work | JHPerlow: I can't understand why TT didn't already have those 50 Z's. It's not like it was a major surprise that they had to be shipped... |
| 17:40:10 | kergoth | it'll build as your user now |
| 17:40:14 | whardier | neato |
| 17:40:22 | kergoth | fakeroot is nifty |
| 17:40:27 | whardier | shure is |
| 17:40:34 | whardier | are you shure you should be fakerooting a mkjffs2? |
| 17:40:59 | kergoth | ah, thats unnecessary. feel free to remove it. i added it when i was debugging the failure |
| 17:41:01 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:41:15 | kergoth | mkfs.jffs2 squashes ownership. gotta love it |
| 17:41:16 | whardier | yeah right |
| 17:41:21 | whardier | oh good |
| 17:41:25 | whardier | brb |
| 17:41:30 | whardier | its too bright |
| 17:41:35 | whardier | I have been on the road all morning |
| 17:41:39 | whardier | and my cats need a little love |
| 17:41:42 | kergoth | ah cool |
| 17:42:21 | whardier | ok.. damnit.. fucking a hole |
| 17:42:26 | whardier | err nevermind |
| 17:42:27 | whardier | its all good |
| 17:48:31 | Kand-ALF | is back after 0 d 3 h 56 m 30 s |
| 17:48:39 | Kand-ALF | hi |
| 17:48:41 | Kand-ALF | I'm on the way to Cebit |
| 17:48:47 | kergoth | hey Kand-ALF |
| 17:48:48 | Kand-ALF | does anyone know what the newest Rom is ? |
| 17:48:51 | kergoth | hows it going? |
| 17:49:01 | kergoth | 1.13/1.12 iirc, but as of last night you couldnt download it |
| 17:49:13 | kergoth | havent looked today |
| 17:49:49 | Kand-ALF | well, where would be the link ? :)) |
| 17:50:03 | Kand-ALF | JHPerlow: you're not there, are you ? |
| 17:51:37 | kergoth | Kand-ALF: actually, i'm incorrect. latest one for download on the sharp site is 1.11/1.10, latest one on the testing area is 1.13/1.12, though the only changes they log are bugfixes, and they dont say what bugs |
| 17:51:38 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:51:39 | kergoth | yawns |
| 17:54:10 | whardier | gotta love tillamook beef jerky |
| 17:54:30 | whardier | you also gotta love the matchbox m |
| 17:54:33 | whardier | matchbox wm |
| 17:54:34 | whardier | heh |
| 17:58:07 | Aelfweld | where is the testing area? |
| 17:58:16 | warmi | man ... this TT contest is a joke |
| 17:58:41 | warmi | maybe java one will go better :-) |
| 18:03:51 | whardier | can xp do proxy-arp? |
| 18:06:17 | Laci | help |
| 18:06:43 | Laci | hi guys. I'm having problems at www.zauruszone.com |
| 18:07:07 | Laci | Since the forum moved to another server I cannot download anymore |
| 18:07:16 | Laci | Anybody else had this problem? |
| 18:08:43 | Laci | hello ? Anybody there? |
| 18:09:17 | six | Yo |
| 18:09:28 | roge99 | Laci: AFAIK there have been problems since the server has moved |
| 18:09:40 | roge99 | Jason was working to get them resolved |
| 18:10:22 | Laci | rogue99: Ok. So I just have to be patient... |
| 18:10:28 | roge99 | yep |
| 18:10:39 | Laci | I'd like to get zMame, though. Very much! |
| 18:11:08 | Laci | Acording to the forum entry there have been more than a houndred downloads |
| 18:11:17 | Laci | I wonder how they did it? |
| 18:11:32 | roge99 | maybe befor it moved |
| 18:11:37 | whardier | I sold my soul to make a record, |
| 18:11:38 | whardier | Dip shit, |
| 18:11:39 | whardier | And you bought one. |
| 18:12:10 | Laci | Yes, maybe |
| 18:12:36 | Twiun | Laci: as zMame is only on its first release, it will have some rough edges - you're probably better off waiting for the next release |
| 18:13:24 | Laci | Twiun: Yes, sure. Just wanted to see how far he got with the port |
| 18:15:27 | Laci | Did you hear the news that Sharp has two CF devices for the Z. |
| 18:15:43 | Laci | One is a digital camera and the other a GSM/GPRS phone. |
| 18:15:48 | Laci | Cool stuff! |
| 18:16:11 | Twiun | For the Z, not the Japanese one, right? |
| 18:16:32 | Laci | Yes, for the Z. They showed it at CeBIT |
| 18:16:45 | Twiun | Cool ;-) |
| 18:16:54 | whardier | I wanna be the virgin monk who wrote the kuma sutra |
| 18:17:25 | Laci | I think the camera for the Japanese Z. is integrated in the back of the device |
| 18:33:22 | BigBoss | hey all |
| 18:34:18 | fusion94 | morning BB |
| 18:35:20 | roge99 | hey BB |
| 18:35:40 | BigBoss | what's up new and exciting? |
| 18:35:52 | warmi | BB: looks like trolls won't be sending Zs for another 2 weeks or so |
| 18:37:08 | BigBoss | what's the delay? |
| 18:37:15 | BigBoss | why'd they tell people they were getting them then? |
| 18:39:01 | warmi | <JHPerlow> right now all the 5000's are being reflashed |
| 18:39:14 | warmi | <JHPerlow> with the 5500 production rom |
| 18:39:26 | warmi | <JHPerlow> some of them may be shipped from JavaOne |
| 18:39:52 | mark_ | warmi: well that is worth waiting for :) |
| 18:39:57 | fusion94 | when is java one ? |
| 18:40:01 | warmi | since JO starts on March 25th ... |
| 18:40:27 | mark_ | warmi: that should mean we get hancom |
| 18:40:49 | fusion94 | hrm |
| 18:40:50 | warmi | <JHPerlow> we are probably going to have to extend the deadline again |
| 18:40:53 | mark_ | warmi: _some_ of them should be shipped from javaone? |
| 18:41:15 | fusion94 | JHPerlow will be at JavaOne, i can go by the booth and deliver a swift kick in the ass |
| 18:41:15 | mark_ | heh |
| 18:41:36 | warmi | basically trolls don't have them yet ... they are being reflashed in some factory in Chicago |
| 18:41:38 | mark_ | fusion94: you do that :) |
| 18:41:43 | fusion94 | heh |
| 18:42:01 | mark_ | warmi: well thats better than japan, which is what I heard. |
| 18:42:01 | fusion94 | JavaOne is 5 minutes or so from my house |
| 18:42:05 | whardier | bastard |
| 18:42:14 | fusion94 | whardier: me ? |
| 18:42:17 | warmi | bastard ! |
| 18:42:21 | warmi | lol |
| 18:42:49 | Bastard | foo |
| 18:42:52 | warmi | they will be selling Zs at Java One for $199 |
| 18:43:00 | warmi | according to JHPerlow |
| 18:43:03 | tux_mike | warmi: jason said they are extending the deadline again?! |
| 18:43:10 | Bastard | yeah that why i've waited on picking one up |
| 18:43:12 | warmi | he said, they might .. |
| 18:43:13 | mark_ | warmi: shite, thats cheap |
| 18:43:26 | tux_mike | gaaahhhh! |
| 18:43:32 | tux_mike | i want some software! |
| 18:43:35 | mark_ | warmi: how long should it take to reflash them though? |
| 18:43:53 | warmi | beats me , they reflash all remaining 5500 .. |
| 18:43:55 | Twiun | there's 2200 of them |
| 18:44:04 | Twiun | so... at 3-5 mins each |
| 18:44:05 | fusion94 | tux_mike: http://freshmeat.net or http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net :P |
| 18:44:10 | mark_ | Twiun: 2200 5000s left over? |
| 18:44:12 | Twiun | unpacking, repacking... |
| 18:44:22 | Twiun | mark_: Yeah, according to JHPerlow |
| 18:44:34 | mark_ | Twiun: heh, they can afford to give them away :) |
| 18:44:36 | warmi | yeah, they could have given as like 4 instead of just one |
| 18:44:40 | tux_mike | a lot of people are going to release their sw after the contest |
| 18:45:21 | warmi | that was the worst contest I was ever part of ... |
| 18:45:38 | warmi | first one ever for me but stil ... |
| 18:45:42 | tux_mike | warmi: you had an app? |
| 18:45:56 | warmi | yeah, a game |
| 18:46:01 | Twiun | I'm curious to see how the Java one will be handled... |
| 18:46:09 | Twiun | Hopefully more smoothly |
| 18:46:09 | tux_mike | what is it? |
| 18:46:32 | warmi | http://www.warmi.net/images/puzz_le.png |
| 18:46:44 | warmi | I even won Z for it .. |
| 18:46:52 | BigBoss | they are selling out the inventory of 5000's for $200? geeze, I'd feel cheated if I paid for one |
| 18:46:58 | tux_mike | a right. saw that. |
| 18:47:05 | mark_ | BigBoss: yeh, ditto |
| 18:47:10 | fusion94 | BigBoss: why's that ? |
| 18:47:23 | mark_ | BigBoss: it also looks like giving out 50 SL5000s is no deal at all |
| 18:47:26 | Twiun | BigBoss: no kidding - I'm in pain ;-) |
| 18:47:26 | tux_mike | BigBoss: in tkcEditor is there any way to make tab do a tab instead of 2 spaces? |
| 18:47:26 | BigBoss | because haven't the price drop in half in 3 months is pretty nuts |
| 18:47:49 | BigBoss | tux: send an email to max@thekompany.com and ask |
| 18:47:55 | tux_mike | ok |
| 18:48:12 | tux_mike | i'm about to run to lunch, i'll do it when i get back :) |
| 18:48:13 | Twiun | tux_mike: Coding on the Z again? |
| 18:48:16 | tux_mike | yup |
| 18:48:22 | warmi | who runs Java contest ? Sharp or Sun ? |
| 18:48:22 | tux_mike | i love tkcEditor :) |
| 18:48:24 | Twiun | grins |
| 18:48:25 | BigBoss | tkcEditors is perfect for it :) |
| 18:48:36 | BigBoss | tux: write an in depth review of it for Linuxdevices then :) |
| 18:48:44 | tux_mike | coding on the Z for the Z :) |
| 18:48:58 | tux_mike | BigBoss: i'm a coder not a reporter damnit! :) |
| 18:49:21 | BigBoss | but you could become even more famous than you already are :) |
| 18:49:50 | sieve | where are you seeing this $200 Z at? |
| 18:49:57 | tux_mike | nah. no one cares about me. |
| 18:50:05 | BigBoss | they will if you talk about tkcEditor :) |
| 18:50:15 | BigBoss | sieve: I guess Sharp is going to blow out their inventory at that price |
| 18:50:31 | sieve | where did you reaad that? |
| 18:50:32 | mandrake | they're trying to |
| 18:50:40 | mandrake | they want to get the rest of the developer units out in the field. |
| 18:50:40 | BigBoss | sieve: in here 3 minutes ago |
| 18:50:42 | tux_mike | my review: tkcEditor is cool. you should buy it. make code on the go. cheap too. that's it, i go code now :) |
| 18:51:03 | Twiun | sieve: But only if you buy them in person at JavaOne |
| 18:51:39 | sieve | crap |
| 18:51:42 | sieve | :P |
| 18:52:09 | Twiun | Yeah, I thought so too... London (UK) to SanFran is a bit far to go for that |
| 18:52:28 | sieve | just a little.. sheesh |
| 18:52:30 | mark_ | Twiun: where abouts are you? |
| 18:52:41 | warmi | fusion94: since you are 10 minutes from JO .. you might as well buy whole batch of them and then resell to us |
| 18:53:02 | Twiun | mark_: atm, Richmond, in London, in the UK ;-) |
| 18:53:18 | mark_ | Twiun: cool |
| 18:53:30 | Twiun | mark_: you? |
| 18:53:35 | mark_ | Twiun: watford |
| 18:54:03 | Twiun | Hehe, not all that far then |
| 18:54:09 | mark_ | nope |
| 18:54:11 | Twiun | only 20 or so miles |
| 18:54:29 | fusion94 | warmi: heh |
| 18:54:52 | NetAmp | hm i'm getting spam-mail from Sharp now ;) |
| 18:54:53 | fusion94 | warmi: and I'd actually ship them |
| 18:54:54 | warmi | Twiun: did you participate in the Trolls so-called contest ? |
| 18:55:35 | NetAmp | heh, I subscribed to the mailing list for Z info, and now they're bugging me with calculators and notebooks :S |
| 18:55:56 | NetAmp | oh well, that's life ;-) |
| 18:59:40 | ljp_work | well.. maybe we'll get the Z's by the end of the year... |
| 18:59:51 | warmi | which year ? |
| 19:00:08 | warmi | heh |
| 19:00:10 | ljp_work | heheheh |
| 19:00:22 | NetAmp | *lol* |
| 19:00:26 | mark_ | warmi: precisely |
| 19:00:27 | warmi | ljp_work: don't complain ... you already have one |
| 19:00:31 | ljp_work | by the time we actually receive them, they will be out dated! |
| 19:00:37 | Twiun | warmi: Nope... cannae do Qt |
| 19:00:57 | ljp_work | ya, well.. I still had to pick it up in person... |
| 19:01:50 | warmi | since they are reflashing 5000s with a new ROm then it should include Hansom office ( as somebody already pointed out ) |
| 19:01:52 | BigBoss | I'd be curious how many people that went to the symposium and got the free Z's back in December have actually produced applications |
| 19:02:09 | warmi | but how well it will run on 32 Mb Zs .. |
| 19:02:14 | warmi | ? |
| 19:02:17 | ljp_work | heh.. I bet a lot fo the media ones were sold. |
| 19:02:25 | ljp_work | s/fo/of |
| 19:02:33 | warmi | what symposium ? |
| 19:02:34 | Twiun | warmi: Well, the 1.11 rom runs fine - but I haven't stressed it |
| 19:03:08 | BigBoss | Once the desktop software is actually working and they've finalized the ROM, then I'll try switching from my Handspring |
| 19:03:09 | kergoth | re |
| 19:03:27 | ljp_work | warmi: Sharp had a invite only developer/media symposium in December to unveil the Z |
| 19:03:51 | kergoth | hey bzflag |
| 19:04:06 | warmi | BigBoss: did you get invited to that symposium ? |
| 19:04:25 | BigBoss | of course, but then they tried to take back the invitation :) |
| 19:04:32 | ljp_work | hehehehe |
| 19:04:41 | BigBoss | actually the confusion was because I was already there to show in their booth as a partner |
| 19:04:53 | BigBoss | I gotta tell you though, sharp really treated everyone great, it was a good time |
| 19:04:54 | mark_ | is away: - piano lesson |
| 19:05:05 | warmi | I wonder who convinced Sharp to go with embedded Linux instead of PocketPc like everybody else .. |
| 19:05:14 | ljp_work | is very thankful to Sharp... also.... |
| 19:05:15 | BigBoss | Lineo did |
| 19:05:29 | BigBoss | it was a horse race as to what they were going to pick |
| 19:05:39 | BigBoss | Lineo did a good job of selling it and organzing all the groups |
| 19:05:47 | ljp_work | I'm glad they picked linux |
| 19:05:50 | BigBoss | it really had to be a bitch, but they all pulled it off very quickly |
| 19:05:57 | NetAmp | Whoa, that was odd. WinXP just suddenly rebooted, and it didn't even need an IE6 exploit or virus this time! |
| 19:06:11 | BigBoss | Having Sharp behind a Linux PDA really legitimizes the space, I think we'll see more people do it now |
| 19:06:17 | ljp_work | heh whats so weird about windows reboot? :) |
| 19:06:22 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:06:26 | NetAmp | Do you guys think that someone 'up there' is letting me know that running Windows is an actual sin? |
| 19:06:38 | ljp_work | "You moved the mouse, you must reboot" |
| 19:06:47 | warmi | so far, judging by available apps, there hasn't been that much interest in Z in Linux community .. |
| 19:06:50 | NetAmp | heh |
| 19:07:09 | NetAmp | warmi: probably not enough publicity yet |
| 19:07:12 | BigBoss | warmi: what are you looking for? My company has about 10 things |
| 19:07:23 | BigBoss | the unit isn't shipping yet, how hard can you pursue a non-existant market? |
| 19:07:37 | warmi | Windows 2000 runs perfectly for .. 1 reboot in like 3 moths .. |
| 19:07:56 | NetAmp | I received an E-mail back from a computer magazine I wrote to about the Z, they're going to review it as soon as Sharp makes a Z available |
| 19:08:01 | BigBoss | I'm using Win98 and it requres 1 to 10 reboots a day |
| 19:08:09 | sieve | embeded devices are just starting to get noticed by the rest of the world... |
| 19:08:11 | sieve | heh |
| 19:08:14 | NetAmp | so I hope they'll publish a BIG article about the Z :P |
| 19:08:31 | BigBoss | and using theKompany products on it :) |
| 19:08:49 | ljp_work | how about tkc rom? |
| 19:08:51 | warmi | BigBoss: I am not looking for anything .. just general observation |
| 19:09:06 | warmi | but I will be purchasing your chat client ... :-) |
| 19:09:44 | BigBoss | warmi: good to hear :) |
| 19:09:50 | warmi | and possibly tkcEditor but this is more debatable .. I doubt 32 mgb will be enough to compile stuff on Z |
| 19:10:03 | BigBoss | keep in mind that these are introductory pricing and will likely go up after the Z is shipping |
| 19:10:11 | warmi | gcc is not exactly lean as far as memory consumption |
| 19:10:30 | sieve | warmi: nore HD space |
| 19:10:37 | BigBoss | but you can code on the road and then compile at home :) |
| 19:10:40 | warmi | BigBoss: I can afford your stuff even you double your prices :-)) |
| 19:11:01 | warmi | I spend more on lunch :-) |
| 19:11:05 | fusion94 | warmi: heh....he's going to charge you double then |
| 19:11:10 | BigBoss | that's a good way to think of it :) |
| 19:11:16 | fusion94 | it's the Warmi Special |
| 19:11:21 | BigBoss | maybe we'll put that on the web site |
| 19:11:26 | sieve|gone | is away: I'm busy |
| 19:11:39 | BigBoss | "tkc apps, cost the same as lunch and you won't shit them out an hour later" |
| 19:11:42 | warmi | warmi special hehehe |
| 19:11:49 | NetAmp | BB: haha |
| 19:12:25 | warmi | is there ANY way to increase memory in 5000s ? |
| 19:12:35 | BigBoss | I will say I'm very pleased with the volume of sales we've had on our Z apps, especially since it isn't shipping |
| 19:12:41 | BigBoss | warmi: yea, buy a 5500 :) |
| 19:13:24 | Neo|Work | is away: I'm busy |
| 19:13:24 | warmi | no, seriously .. anything ? |
| 19:13:34 | ljp_work | warmi: or you could get a customizing company to add more ram. |
| 19:13:44 | James | hello |
| 19:13:49 | warmi | 32 is kinda pitfull |
| 19:13:51 | warmi | hi |
| 19:13:55 | ljp_work | I've heard there's one that adds as much as 256 to ipaqs |
| 19:13:59 | Neo|Work | is back (gone 00:00:34) |
| 19:14:10 | James | are you talking about the memory? |
| 19:14:14 | warmi | yeah |
| 19:14:17 | ljp_work | yep |
| 19:14:50 | warmi | ljp_work: customizing means expensive like hell .. I could probably get 5500 cheaper |
| 19:15:00 | James | I just opened mine up here at work and see it is a 8Mx16 (2 chips), There is now artwork for adding more chips ;-( |
| 19:15:00 | ljp_work | heh yep |
| 19:15:09 | warmi | I mean, memory is dirty cheap these days ... |
| 19:15:19 | James | they must be redoing the artwork on the 5500 series.... |
| 19:15:31 | BigBoss | if you can replace the memory with higher end chips, but the Mobo may not allow it |
| 19:15:47 | warmi | wht's Mobo ?? logic chip ? |
| 19:16:04 | BigBoss | is the memory soldered on the board? |
| 19:16:07 | Twiun | Right... I'm off home - chat later ;-) |
| 19:16:20 | warmi | bye Twiun |
| 19:16:23 | James | there is now other pads and Toshiba doesn't have a higher denisity chip |
| 19:16:27 | NetAmp | Cya Twiun |
| 19:16:31 | Twiun | waves |
| 19:16:49 | James | the memory is 2 TC59SM716ASL sdram chips soldered to the mobo. |
| 19:17:55 | James | I was thinking of finding a part that used the same footprint, but there is no 16Mx16 made by Toshiba |
| 19:18:17 | James | so on the 5500 they have to be using 4 chips not 2 |
| 19:18:26 | kergoth | James: ack. that sucks. |
| 19:18:30 | James | ie, different mobo inside |
| 19:18:42 | NetAmp | Hm why couldn't they just have put sockets on it |
| 19:18:47 | NetAmp | argh |
| 19:18:51 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:19:05 | James | This doesn't mean that I can't hack the s*** out of it ;-P |
| 19:20:02 | James | you could stack the 2 other chips on top of the exisiting chips and route the lines you need from the processor. The difficulty would be will it fit in the case..... |
| 19:20:21 | James | there's not much room in there..... |
| 19:20:25 | ljp_work | gray tape |
| 19:20:34 | ljp_work | gray tape the case closed |
| 19:20:36 | BigBoss | you guys are scaring me :) |
| 19:20:38 | James | don't forget the bubble gum.... |
| 19:20:41 | kergoth | lol |
| 19:21:02 | warmi | just get 5500 |
| 19:21:13 | warmi | it is easier |
| 19:21:15 | warmi | :-) |
| 19:21:22 | James | btw. intel has a sample design for the arm 1100 if want to hack more.... |
| 19:21:24 | ljp_work | but not as much fun |
| 19:21:34 | James | warmi: what fun would that be!!!! |
| 19:22:03 | NetAmp | ducktape |
| 19:22:06 | James | are you telling me you never play with the equip. you buy??? |
| 19:22:09 | warmi | nah .... I hate hardware ... coding is fine but anything you can touch is not for me :-) |
| 19:22:35 | warmi | no I do build my own computers ... I just don't enjoy it |
| 19:23:03 | warmi | and putting together PC doesn't require soldering these days |
| 19:24:05 | James | I design and build 2.4 wireless radio's for a living...... this box is REALLY cool..... I wish our design was as nice... |
| 19:24:15 | NetAmp | nah I won't even get my Z _NEAR_ soldering equipment for $549!! |
| 19:24:18 | NetAmp | ;) |
| 19:24:24 | warmi | heheh |
| 19:24:47 | warmi | precisely .... |
| 19:25:04 | warmi | even if it was 0 cost Z from Trolls |
| 19:25:06 | warmi | :-) |
| 19:25:51 | James | just remeber, the hardware isn't broke... you just don't know how to talk to it..... ;-} |
| 19:26:22 | warmi | I don't even want to talk to it ... |
| 19:26:37 | warmi | I am happy talking to my compiler all day long |
| 19:27:54 | James | hay I am still trying to figure out how to move the suspend key to the OK..... every time I suspend, the keyboard sends a halt to my process.... UGH!!! now were was the iron. ;-) |
| 19:28:13 | NetAmp | warmi: yeah and through a keyboard, not a soldering iron ;) |
| 19:28:52 | warmi | hehe |
| 19:30:36 | James | ha ha ha and you use "enum" instead of #define also ......;-P |
| 19:32:07 | warmi | using enum instead of #define .. perfectly legal :-) |
| 19:33:23 | James | if you are using them is an conditional every time you check your enum it does a memory access.but if you use a #define it hardcodes it in the Op codes. IE in a real time system it is better to use #define.... |
| 19:34:15 | James | ;-} |
| 19:34:27 | warmi | that depends on compiler .... after all enum is a const variable |
| 19:34:57 | James | yes the key is variable. which is put into the .Text, Thus it resides in the memory of the system. |
| 19:35:52 | James | or was it .data..... |
| 19:35:56 | warmi | even if so .. who cares ? we are not talkig about kbs of memory here |
| 19:36:02 | warmi | .data , text is code |
| 19:36:16 | mtm | and enums are typesafe |
| 19:36:36 | James | any hoooo..... |
| 19:36:41 | mtm | :) |
| 19:38:21 | James | hay, have to go do status for this week for the boss ;-) but, I will let the group know if the piggybacking of the sdrams works..... |
| 19:39:25 | warmi | James : this is dissaembly from VC ++ |
| 19:39:30 | warmi | if(i==AGATA) |
| 19:39:57 | warmi | cmp dword ptr [ebp-14h],0 |
| 19:40:03 | warmi | that was for enum |
| 19:40:10 | warmi | AGATA being 0 |
| 19:40:20 | warmi | so your assumtion is wrong |
| 19:41:12 | warmi | . |
| 19:41:14 | warmi | if(i==ALA) |
| 19:41:23 | warmi | cmp dword ptr [ebp-14h],5 |
| 19:41:27 | warmi | ALA being #define |
| 19:41:29 | BigBoss | if only there was a COBOL compiler for the Z, then you could do this much easier :) |
| 19:41:31 | warmi | exactly the same code |
| 19:41:34 | kergoth | aha |
| 19:42:26 | warmi | som James , assuming you have smart compiler, it makes no diference |
| 19:43:42 | NetAmpZ | damns his ISP |
| 19:46:49 | whardier | man |
| 19:46:56 | whardier | I need to do something |
| 19:47:00 | NetAmpZ | woman |
| 19:47:03 | James | will have to check this. We are using VxWorks an GCC for the mips... I asked the other HD Eng, and he said the system was doing memory access... hummmmmm time to go check the logic analyzer.... |
| 19:47:08 | whardier | ok |
| 19:47:32 | James | l8r |
| 19:47:37 | NetAmpZ | whardier: or go port something |
| 19:47:47 | whardier | no |
| 19:48:05 | kergoth | I'm trying to coordinate my efforts for the autobuild system |
| 19:48:12 | kergoth | figure out if any work has been done on it yet |
| 19:48:16 | kergoth | so i dont reinvent the wheel |
| 19:48:49 | NetAmpZ | kergoth: way2go ;) |
| 19:55:11 | warmi | James: how did you know I use enums ? |
| 19:56:11 | warmi | crap .. he left :-) |
| 20:01:12 | Neo|Work | warmi: you asked me something yesterday. wonder what it was... :P |
| 20:02:08 | warmi | did I ? |
| 20:02:09 | warmi | heheh |
| 20:02:53 | warmi | I think I wanted to ask you where did you get mod files for your game ? |
| 20:03:03 | warmi | do you have musician on your team ? |
| 20:03:17 | Neo|Work | 020313 15:03:04 Sugar SEEN JOIN warmi warmi "" #zaurus |
| 20:03:17 | Neo|Work | 020313 15:43:20 Sugar SEEN TALK warmi warmi "NeoTron: are you there ?" #zaurus |
| 20:03:17 | Neo|Work | 020313 15:48:28 Sugar SEEN QUIT warmi warmi "\"CGI:IRC 0.4.3\"" (no channel) |
| 20:03:18 | Neo|Work | :) |
| 20:03:34 | Neo|Work | I know a guy who used to make mods |
| 20:03:46 | Neo|Work | which happen to be relatively suitable (and quite small) |
| 20:04:54 | NetAmp | which game? :D |
| 20:05:02 | warmi | . |
| 20:05:11 | Neo|Work | NetAmp: Eligo |
| 20:05:25 | warmi | there are millions of mods on the net but they don't have any copyright info attached |
| 20:05:35 | warmi | hard to figure out what is their legal status |
| 20:05:37 | NetAmp | cool... well at least the screenshots are ;) heh |
| 20:05:52 | Neo|Work | http://jan.warnstam.org/ |
| 20:06:10 | warmi | I am not into his game but my wife liked it a lot .. I am gonna buy it for her when my Z arrives |
| 20:06:19 | Neo|Work | wow. his ftp links kinda work today. :P |
| 20:06:35 | Neo|Work | warmi: it's a typical game where a majority of the users are female. :P |
| 20:06:43 | warmi | heh |
| 20:06:50 | warmi | there you go .. :-) |
| 20:07:10 | Neo|Work | one of the best players (of the desktop version mind you) is the wife of a friend. :P |
| 20:07:23 | tux_mike | finally. lunchtime |
| 20:07:31 | warmi | Neo|Work: do you static link mikomod lib or do you provide it as a so file with your game ? |
| 20:08:14 | Neo|Work | I link statically to SDL and SDL_mixer (which includes mikmod). Since it's LGPL I have to provide the ability to change the libs, so I have dynamic binaries (although no binary lib packages) available as well |
| 20:08:19 | NetAmp | tux_mike: have a nice lunch |
| 20:09:07 | warmi | eh , I think I am jsut gonna use mikmod stripped to only provide support for mod files ( no xm3 etc ) |
| 20:09:09 | warmi | and link it statically |
| 20:09:14 | Neo|Work | I'll put together SDL and SDL_mixer ipks once I get graphics working good enough |
| 20:09:14 | Neo|Work | my SDL_mixer is also somewhat stripped to save space |
| 20:09:25 | warmi | my game is BSD licensed which means, I have no problems with LGPL |
| 20:09:29 | Neo|Work | right |
| 20:09:51 | warmi | but GPL can be a bitch ... |
| 20:10:02 | Neo|Work | I removed loading of two mod file types, but will probabyl remove .mod and .xm for SA/Eligo respectively |
| 20:10:04 | warmi | hardly "free code reuse" as it is advertised |
| 20:10:17 | tux_mike | nope. |
| 20:10:38 | tux_mike | i like the GPL only in applications where money is to be made by code, like TT does :) |
| 20:11:27 | warmi | well, it creates all kinds of problems for people like Neo who don't like to publish source code |
| 20:11:38 | ljp_akk | I like the GPL cause the letters sound cool together |
| 20:11:39 | tux_mike | true |
| 20:11:46 | kergoth | ljp_akk: lol |
| 20:11:46 | tux_mike | i like MPL better |
| 20:12:00 | warmi | BSD style is the best for free software ... |
| 20:12:37 | warmi | I think I will sell my game as an ipk and make source available for people who can compile it themselves |
| 20:12:58 | tux_mike | warmi: that'll work :) |
| 20:13:11 | warmi | no ipk on my site , if you are lazy then go buy it for 9.95 or so |
| 20:13:19 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:13:32 | warmi | tux_mike: btw .. did anyone from Tribune contact you regarding your resume ? |
| 20:13:40 | NetAmp | warmi: what (kind of) game are you making? |
| 20:13:46 | NetAmp | Techno Trollz |
| 20:13:46 | tux_mike | warmi: no, i haven't got any messages |
| 20:13:47 | NetAmp | PHP also sounds cool, AND it's a recursive acronym! heh, whaddaya say of that ;) |
| 20:13:47 | NetAmp | (just to throw in another 3-letter word :P) |
| 20:13:50 | Neo|Work | warmi: It's not that I don't like to publish source, it's that I'm trying to make some money. eDict is open source, etc |
| 20:13:59 | Neo|Work | just wanted to clarify that |
| 20:14:10 | warmi | NetAmp: brix/ vexed sort of game |
| 20:14:15 | Neo|Work | and of course, LGPL is of no consequence since all that is needed is a dynamic binary |
| 20:14:36 | tux_mike | i just hope they didn't call my home phone while i was out, me and my dad have the same name, and my sisters like to think that every call is for my dad |
| 20:14:40 | warmi | Neo|Work: yeah but it creates from problems for you |
| 20:14:52 | Neo|Work | warmi: huh? :P |
| 20:15:05 | Neo|Work | now, of course I could not use GPL code in any way |
| 20:15:10 | warmi | tux_mike: I am gonna ask Wolak what's he up to |
| 20:15:20 | warmi | Neo|Work: meaning that you have to make lib available etc .. |
| 20:15:40 | warmi | if this was BSD licensed code you could simply incorporate it and forget about everything else |
| 20:16:33 | warmi | hey guys .. |
| 20:17:04 | warmi | is this true that contest Qtembedded was licensed to us for free ? |
| 20:17:16 | warmi | meaning, it is not GPL version ? |
| 20:17:43 | ljp_akk | ya yu can sell your apps.. |
| 20:17:52 | Neo|Work | warmi: I don't have to make libs available |
| 20:17:52 | kergoth | warmi: meaning its qpl as well as gpl |
| 20:17:54 | ljp_akk | and not release code |
| 20:18:02 | Neo|Work | if someone wants to use their own lib then only need a dynamic binary |
| 20:18:22 | Neo|Work | warmi: and yes, the SDK we have from the contest is a one person commercial license |
| 20:19:21 | warmi | cool |
| 20:19:37 | warmi | perpetual license I hope :-) |
| 20:19:44 | warmi | not just for that project :-) |
| 20:20:06 | Neo|Work | I believe so |
| 20:20:14 | Neo|Work | I mean, I have two things already. :P |
| 20:21:09 | tux_mike | i think i may make a program open source, but i' |
| 20:21:14 | tux_mike | gah |
| 20:21:54 | tux_mike | i'm going to make a open source character editor, but a closed source verification library, effectivally getting around the whole GPL thing :) |
| 20:23:18 | tux_mike | i want to have a part closed to prevent cheating |
| 20:24:22 | warmi | character editor ? |
| 20:24:36 | tux_mike | pencil and paper RPGs |
| 20:24:43 | warmi | oh ok |
| 20:24:59 | tux_mike | i think i may also make a free (as in beer) printing library for opie |
| 20:25:06 | warmi | Dungeons & Dragons type stuff ? |
| 20:25:10 | warmi | heh |
| 20:25:39 | warmi | printing ?? to what ? is it possible to hook up printer to Z ? |
| 20:26:00 | tux_mike | more of White Wolf games, Vampire, Wherewolf, Mage, and Fasa (rest in piece) like Battletech |
| 20:26:07 | kergoth | warmi: network, man. remote lpd printing would be fairly trivial |
| 20:26:11 | tux_mike | warmi: IR, cradle or network |
| 20:26:11 | kergoth | warmi: or smb |
| 20:26:27 | warmi | kergoth: I think remote smb priting would be more usefull :-) |
| 20:26:39 | tux_mike | i'd use LPR |
| 20:26:46 | kergoth | warmi: depends on whether the Z is in a unix or a windows network at the moment |
| 20:26:59 | tux_mike | that's how i print everything here :) of course i'm a unix addict |
| 20:27:09 | kergoth | warmi: personally, i'd want lp support primarily, as you can always have a linux lp->smb box |
| 20:27:13 | warmi | kergoth: in , general, Windows printers are way more common |
| 20:27:38 | Neo|Work | I'm working on yet another original (but cloned idea) game. This time I'm trying to make it easy to port to various environments (firstly Qtopia, then PalmOS and SDL (Linux/Window)) |
| 20:27:42 | warmi | even my own Linux box at home prints to NT controlled printer |
| 20:28:08 | warmi | Neo|Work: what is that cloned idea ? |
| 20:28:10 | warmi | ;-) |
| 20:28:16 | kergoth | warmi: like i said, depends on the network. the best solution would be to have both smb and lp support, imho |
| 20:28:25 | Neo|Work | is making a GemDrop X clone/derivate. Hopefully Mr. Kendrick won't mind too much |
| 20:28:27 | tux_mike | one thing i would want to do for people on machines without a network and who don't want to setup a network, is have it print to a file and then sync the file. once the file is on the pc have it print it |
| 20:28:54 | Neo|Work | of course, he also originally cloned the idea so. :-) |
| 20:28:55 | warmi | kergoth: one can always print to ps file and ftp it over |
| 20:29:07 | warmi | with Qt creating ps files is rather easy |
| 20:29:15 | Neo|Work | ...QPrinter...? |
| 20:29:40 | warmi | GemDrop ..hmm |
| 20:29:40 | tux_mike | warmi: does QT/e have PS capabilities? |
| 20:29:46 | kergoth | warmi: lol.. this discussion is pointless. we agree there are multiple means to print, eh? ;-) |
| 20:29:53 | warmi | yep :-) |
| 20:30:11 | Neo|Work | just make lpd/printfilters packages and you can print to whatever. heh |
| 20:30:13 | Neo|Work | CUPS |
| 20:30:19 | Neo|Work | just to fill up all the space etc |
| 20:30:21 | warmi | tux_mike: it works like windows creating drawing contex which then can be redirected to printer or ps file |
| 20:30:52 | Neo|Work | warmi: if you haven't played it, it's kind of an action puzzle game. |
| 20:30:54 | warmi | basically, you draw to QPainter and it will go either to screen or to the printer , depending how QPainter was created |
| 20:31:10 | tux_mike | i wouldn't want a full printing system on the Z, too big. the protocols to be supported should be primairly PCL, and if it can be done in enough space, PS too |
| 20:31:28 | warmi | http://www.gamedev.net/community/gds/projects/default.asp?projectID=34 |
| 20:31:32 | warmi | is that it Neo ? |
| 20:31:56 | tux_mike | warmi: is there a filter from QPainter to PS in QT/e? or would that need to be written? |
| 20:32:02 | warmi | tux_mike: PS rendering capabilities are part of Qt |
| 20:32:05 | Neo|Work | warmi: nope. :P http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/gemdropx/ |
| 20:32:25 | tux_mike | ok |
| 20:32:38 | Neo|Work | warmi: but are they part of qte? |
| 20:32:43 | warmi | The QPrinter class is a paint device that paint on a printer. |
| 20:32:49 | warmi | On Windows, it uses the built-in printer drivers. On X11, it generates postscript and sends that to lpr, lp or another print command. |
| 20:32:55 | warmi | I think so .. but I am not sure :-) |
| 20:33:05 | tux_mike | warmi: both ways? can i take a PS file and view on screen? |
| 20:33:15 | tux_mike | warmi: we'll have to look into that |
| 20:33:38 | warmi | tux_mike: no, QPainter methods are automatically translated to PS |
| 20:34:18 | warmi | basically , you use almost the same code for drawing on the screen and "drawing" on virtual PS printer |
| 20:34:52 | warmi | it works more like Windows printing subsystem than , say Ghoscript |
| 20:35:34 | tux_mike | ok, so we cant go backwards and use it as a PDF viewer. poopies :) |
| 20:35:37 | warmi | Neo|Work: this game looks a lot like Bejeweled |
| 20:35:49 | warmi | tux_mike: no , you can't |
| 20:35:51 | tux_mike | anyone know where i can get the SD root rom? |
| 20:37:21 | warmi | heh .. the only change I made so far to my contest game is have blocks disapear using alpha blending which looks much cooler now |
| 20:37:32 | Neo|Work | warmi: it's nothing like bejeweled really |
| 20:37:33 | Neo|Work | at all |
| 20:37:53 | tux_mike | i want bejeweled! :) |
| 20:38:00 | warmi | well, I mean more like "tetris-bejeveled" family of games |
| 20:38:06 | Neo|Work | it's hard to describe but although gameplay is different, it plays more like Tetris than like bejeweled or Eligo/lines... |
| 20:38:21 | Neo|Work | tux_mike: I might make a clone of that, time permitting. :P |
| 20:39:08 | tux_mike | cool! :) |
| 20:39:25 | tux_mike | must find sd-root rom... new sd card must be used... :) |
| 20:39:53 | Neo|Work | tux_mike: but I might get a lot of things on my plate soon, so who knows when |
| 20:39:54 | kergoth | hm |
| 20:40:01 | kergoth | i need to order a case of bawls from thinkgeek |
| 20:40:03 | kergoth | that sounds good |
| 20:40:04 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:40:04 | NetAmp | i want Klax :P |
| 20:40:13 | tux_mike | bawls == good |
| 20:40:16 | kergoth | yup |
| 20:40:18 | warmi | I am porting Checkers now .. |
| 20:40:37 | uwe | what about chess ? |
| 20:40:48 | warmi | that after Checkers |
| 20:41:40 | NetAmp | nah, that's no fun at just 200 Mhz |
| 20:41:43 | warmi | I am planning to port Phalanax chess which is GPL |
| 20:41:53 | NetAmp | gotta play with a big IBM computer as oppontent ;) |
| 20:42:01 | tux_mike | i want to see sim city and sim city 2k on the Z. i just saw sc2k for pocket pc |
| 20:42:22 | Neo|Work | that might happen |
| 20:42:23 | warmi | unless you are professional and a good one, phalanax will kick you butt easily |
| 20:42:27 | uwe | hey cam ! thinking of switching from agenda vr3 to zaurus ? |
| 20:42:49 | warmi | uwe: no brainer :-) |
| 20:43:12 | NetAmp | 7 days 'till Z release ? ;) |
| 20:43:16 | uwe | warmi: phalanx is easy to port. i ported it to agenda vr3 without modifications... |
| 20:43:45 | Cam_ | hello uwe, keep a hold of your VR3 for the IR stuff :)) |
| 20:44:08 | warmi | uwe: I am thinking about porting it with Qt gui not xboard |
| 20:44:31 | warmi | make Qt native display instead of terminal :-) |
| 20:44:34 | Cam_ | uwe I wona Zaurus in the Trolltech competition |
| 20:44:56 | uwe | Cam_: i saw zaurus today on cebit. |
| 20:45:29 | Cam_ | I still haven't seen one - what were your perceptions of it? |
| 20:46:14 | uwe | Cam_: it has qtopia on it (qt/embedded). some kde guys were there showing konqueror/embedded... |
| 20:46:15 | Neo|Work | uwe: did it have any games on it? :P |
| 20:46:28 | uwe | NeoTron: sorry have no zaurus... |
| 20:46:42 | Cam_ | doesn't Opie use X11? We could port the Agenda stuff trivially |
| 20:46:45 | Neo|Work | uwe: I meant if you saw on Cebit |
| 20:46:53 | tux_mike | hrm.... has anyone flashed their Z with other stuff on the CF card? |
| 20:46:56 | Neo|Work | Eligo and Strategic Assault might have been demoed... |
| 20:47:11 | kergoth | Cam_: opie is a qtopia port, which is qt/e based, direct to fb.. no X involved |
| 20:47:18 | uwe | cxm: it'ss fast has good extensions (compact flash, sd cards, ir, keyboard, usb...) |
| 20:47:42 | Cam_ | yeah... can't wait to see mine :)) |
| 20:48:16 | Cam_ | I wonder if the competition prizes will be the consumer version? After all the UK site has run out of 'developer' Zauruses |
| 20:48:46 | kergoth | Cam_: doubtful, there are sl5000d's left.. jason mentioned they're going to have shitloads of them for sale quite cheap at javaone |
| 20:48:47 | uwe | NeoTron: they show Strategic Assault Eligo and the basic stuff (patience, minesweep,...) |
| 20:48:51 | warmi | Cam_: no, it will be developer version with the consumer ROM |
| 20:49:00 | kergoth | yeah that |
| 20:49:01 | kergoth | heheh |
| 20:49:09 | warmi | it was confirmed today by JHPerlow |
| 20:49:40 | Neo|Work | uwe: cool. :) I did those apps (Eligo original, SA port) |
| 20:49:43 | BigBoss | they sold almost 100k worth of Z's at LWE from what I heard |
| 20:49:53 | Cam_ | cool, I just hope they ship soon :) |
| 20:49:54 | uwe | but the developer units have 32MB RAM - customer units 64MB - right ? |
| 20:50:40 | warmi | http://www.warmi.net/images/checkers.jpg let me know if you like my graphic design for the game |
| 20:50:41 | warmi | ) |
| 20:50:44 | uwe | NeoTron: good work - the c&c clone's sound is heavy - but good. |
| 20:51:05 | whardier | looks nice warmi |
| 20:51:20 | tux_mike | warmi: looks awesome |
| 20:51:36 | warmi | thanks |
| 20:51:49 | tux_mike | but you compressed it a lot so i see the jpeg artifacts |
| 20:52:03 | warmi | I am jsut porting FLTK default checkers program , quite strong checkers program |
| 20:52:07 | uwe | warmi: looks quite good - show me the chess board ;-) |
| 20:52:30 | warmi | uwe: it will look similar ... I haven't had a time to render it yet |
| 20:53:06 | uwe | Cam_: still work on reorganizing agendawiki (sorry - off topic) ? |
| 20:53:11 | Neo|Work | uwe: I'm still waiting for my Z (beta contest winner) and will work on details that I can't do on the desktop |
| 20:53:26 | Neo|Work | warmi: very nice |
| 20:53:36 | warmi | thanks |
| 20:53:45 | uwe | neo : you mean the game Z ? |
| 20:54:04 | tux_mike | yah |
| 20:54:12 | Cam_ | uwe it's low maintenance right now, I have a few little tweaks for the site. I really want to make a build system for the agenda distro |
| 20:54:23 | whardier | who asked me to do artwork for their games yesterday? |
| 20:54:29 | whardier | I forgot the nick already :) |
| 20:54:31 | whardier | Romanian |
| 20:54:32 | whardier | hah |
| 20:54:35 | Neo|Work | uwe: I mean, I won a Zaurus and so far all my development has been done with the desktop and cross-compiling without any direct on-device testing by me |
| 20:55:21 | uwe | Cam_: i hear of a qt/embedded developer that the're interested in porting qt/emb to agenda. could be less ram consuming - but i don't thoing this will happen... |
| 20:55:41 | Cam_ | nah it will be more ram consuming :P |
| 20:55:58 | Neo|Work | it's not the most lean, mean environment for sure |
| 20:56:24 | Cam_ | the agenda stuff runs pretty well on a 16mb agenda |
| 20:56:29 | uwe | qt/emb qorks on framebuf - no x-layers necessary - so the argue. |
| 20:56:41 | Cam_ | shame they weren't all 16mb |
| 20:56:55 | uwe | Cam_: what fingers must you have to make the ram ext ? ;-) |
| 20:57:28 | Cam_ | normal fingers!!! honest |
| 20:58:02 | Cam_ | I still have a broken / half-upgraded VR3 |
| 20:58:16 | Neo|Work | Cam_: QT Embedded isn't necessarily lighter than X however... |
| 20:58:36 | NetAmp | warmi: cool design |
| 20:58:42 | Cam_ | I have a morbid fear of system components in C++ |
| 20:58:53 | warmi | Cam_: heheeh |
| 20:59:22 | warmi | Neo|Work: I was hoping to get my Z for the weekend but it looks like we gonna have to wait another 2 weeks :-( |
| 20:59:45 | uwe | Cam_: but sharp doesn't deliver a terminal - so at first you don't see linux :-(( |
| 20:59:53 | NetAmp | Those TT guys probably wanna keep the Z's for themselves ;) |
| 20:59:54 | warmi | it truly sucks... I hope Trolls learn from that disaster and next time prepare in advance |
| 21:00:00 | Cam_ | shocking, innit |
| 21:00:04 | Neo|Work | warmi: yes, I heard |
| 21:00:14 | Neo|Work | NetAmp: actually, it's up to Sharp... TT doesn't even have the Z's yet |
| 21:00:19 | Cam_ | I want to see the Agenda fltk stuff in colour |
| 21:00:34 | BigBoss | this whole Z thing was very rushed, and didn't have proper time to put together an oversite infrastructure. All things considered, I think it came off pretty well |
| 21:00:41 | NetAmp | *grrrr* I'm gonna call Sharp and make them give me a 5500 :P |
| 21:00:45 | warmi | Neo|Work: btw ... did you see on my checkers img that bar going from black to background color .. |
| 21:00:53 | Neo|Work | which I find amazingly clumpsy. Or did they get all surprised by having to send out the Z's, even though the beta deadline was pushed back a lot? :-) |
| 21:00:56 | Cam_ | Neo|Work: do you know about the dispatch details for the contest prizes? |
| 21:01:17 | warmi | this is precisely what that guy asked for on qt list yesterday ... going from color to transparency :-) |
| 21:01:19 | Neo|Work | Cam_: All I know is that TT doesn't have the Z's to send, and that they will get them and then send them |
| 21:01:24 | Neo|Work | or something like that |
| 21:01:36 | Neo|Work | warmi: yah. Not that hard _really_ but harder than it should be |
| 21:01:48 | Cam_ | TT based in Europe?? I'm hoping to not get hit with hefty import duty |
| 21:01:52 | Neo|Work | it would be nice to say here is my image and here is my 8 bpp grayscale alpha buffer. Combine them please |
| 21:02:01 | NetAmp | warmi: is it Alpha fading? |
| 21:02:05 | Neo|Work | Cam_: I sure hope not |
| 21:02:19 | Cam_ | Neo|Work: wouldn't it be nice to have an option? |
| 21:02:32 | warmi | NetAmp: yeah |
| 21:02:53 | Cam_ | I paid over $150 in tax / duty and brokerage fees for my two Agendas |
| 21:03:07 | Cam_ | I hate to think what a Z would run to :(( |
| 21:03:10 | Neo|Work | I mean, it's a gift so you shouldn't have to.. |
| 21:03:14 | warmi | agendas: never used them but I heard that GUI was incredibly slow .. |
| 21:03:19 | Cam_ | better hope I don't win a laptop too :-/ |
| 21:03:31 | Neo|Work | the Z's should be sent from the US in either case (TT California) |
| 21:03:33 | Neo|Work | I believe |
| 21:03:41 | Cam_ | noooo.... :( |
| 21:03:44 | Neo|Work | Cam_: if you do, just have them send it to me ;-) |
| 21:03:46 | warmi | in which case you Neo will be first to get one ... |
| 21:03:53 | uwe | zaurus costs 699 euro from 21st of march on. |
| 21:04:06 | NetAmp | WHAT?!! 669? |
| 21:04:11 | NetAmp | wtf |
| 21:04:12 | uwe | no 699.- |
| 21:04:18 | NetAmp | uh yeah I mean that |
| 21:04:20 | NetAmp | aaargh |
| 21:04:38 | Cam_ | 17.5% VAT applies in the UK I believe |
| 21:04:48 | warmi | holly shit .. |
| 21:04:52 | Cam_ | yeah :( |
| 21:04:55 | NetAmp | lives in the Netherlands |
| 21:04:58 | NetAmp | damn the Euro!!! |
| 21:05:11 | Neo|Work | sugar what is 669 eur in usd |
| 21:05:13 | Sugar | 669 EUR is 584.79016 US$ |
| 21:05:18 | Neo|Work | gesh |
| 21:05:25 | warmi | 17.5 tax ?? |
| 21:05:28 | NetAmp | 699 |
| 21:05:32 | Neo|Work | sugar what is 699 eur in usd |
| 21:05:34 | Sugar | 699 EUR is 611.01398 US$ |
| 21:05:34 | Neo|Work | oops |
| 21:05:39 | warmi | Neo|Work: you should be happy you don't live in Sweden anymore :-) |
| 21:05:40 | Neo|Work | even worse. :-P |
| 21:05:51 | Neo|Work | warmi: in this case, yes. :-) |
| 21:05:58 | uwe | i saw yopy at cebit too. it's 666 euro at www.yopy.at , too - seems that all strong arm pdas cost at about 700 euro :-(( |
| 21:06:04 | Neo|Work | the land of really high takes indeed |
| 21:06:10 | NetAmp | it's DFL 1540 guilders! aaah |
| 21:06:41 | Cam_ | grr yes 17.5% value added tax. |
| 21:06:57 | warmi | whoa ... and I thought 6.5 tax in Chicago was bad |
| 21:07:18 | uwe | heard of kaii on linuxdevices ? |
| 21:07:19 | warmi | and if I buy from another state I won't pay any tax ... |
| 21:07:31 | BigBoss | been talking to Kaii for a few weeks now |
| 21:07:37 | NetAmp | uwe: yeah that's from India |
| 21:07:39 | BigBoss | they are supposed to have developer versions in may |
| 21:07:40 | Cam_ | so I will have to pay 17.5% of the dollar value of the thing as declared on the little green slip, plus about $15 for a 'handling charge' (very bogus IMHO) |
| 21:08:09 | warmi | Cam_: just have somebody in US buy you one :-) |
| 21:08:32 | Cam_ | well, I shouldn't complain, as a prize/freebie it's still cheaper than the shop price |
| 21:09:13 | warmi | huh, I wonder how much you will have to pay if you get the first prize ... you gonna go bankrupt :-) |
| 21:09:15 | NetAmp | But Kaii doesn't look nearly as smooth as the Zaurus ;) :P |
| 21:09:47 | Cam_ | warmi: the cash prize would cover the tax :) |
| 21:10:07 | NetAmp | they say it'll have USB on the device itself though, not just the docking station |
| 21:10:14 | Cam_ | Well we should have a league table of the tax paid by all winners, on the zaurus zone wiki :P |
| 21:10:16 | BigBoss | Kaii has a different target market |
| 21:10:31 | NetAmp | BigBoss: yeah totally true |
| 21:10:49 | warmi | Cam_: what was your contest entry ? |
| 21:11:03 | Cam_ | Powerchord, the guitar chord helper thingy |
| 21:11:14 | mark_ | Cam_: that looks so cool |
| 21:11:18 | warmi | oh right, you already told me that once :-) |
| 21:11:22 | mark_ | Cam_: I want it to tune my viola :) |
| 21:11:22 | Cam_ | (Entertainment section) thanks fo rthe 'cool' |
| 21:11:37 | Cam_ | viola == fretless? Easy |
| 21:11:43 | kergoth | re |
| 21:11:47 | kergoth | stupid fuckers on the phone |
| 21:11:49 | kergoth | !@#% |
| 21:11:51 | warmi | I take you play guitar a lot |
| 21:12:03 | NetAmp | kergoth: Kill 'em all! "Customer massacre" |
| 21:12:04 | mark_ | Cam_: yes, fretless. why does that make a differance? |
| 21:12:15 | kergoth | NetAmp: hah. i wish ;-) |
| 21:12:27 | Cam_ | actually I was learning - writing code gets in the way of learning anything else :) |
| 21:12:53 | BigBoss | Cam_: do me a chord thing for this www.warrguitars.com |
| 21:12:54 | warmi | hehehe ... |
| 21:12:58 | NetAmp | kergoth: Let's make a game out of it for the Z so you can get rid of all that frustration ;) |
| 21:13:10 | BigBoss | I constantly have to think what fret is what note |
| 21:13:10 | NetAmp | Or, get a punchbag |
| 21:13:12 | whardier | I wanna know where X10 got their budget for advertisement |
| 21:13:27 | kergoth | NetAmp: i got it, you write a game where you send pingizauru to hunt down and burn stupid people! |
| 21:13:30 | kergoth | NetAmp: hehe |
| 21:13:31 | warmi | X10 ?? |
| 21:13:32 | kergoth | whardier: no kidding |
| 21:13:45 | kergoth | NetAmp: I do have a punching bag.. but its at home. i want one IN the department :-) |
| 21:13:50 | BigBoss | God I hate those x10 things |
| 21:14:05 | kergoth | x10 actually has some good products. their ads piss me off thouhg |
| 21:14:06 | uwe | can anyone who joined the contest post some websites on which i can get an impression of your apps ? |
| 21:14:19 | NetAmp | hm I can't just do that, I'd have to buy a Pingizauru Commercial License (PCL) from whardier :S ;) |
| 21:14:20 | kergoth | uwe: check the ContestEntries page in the zauruszone wiki |
| 21:14:25 | kergoth | NetAmp: hah |
| 21:14:32 | Cam_ | BigBoss: link to http://htp.to/guitar/folder/guitar.html (Jim Cranwell's chord generator) |
| 21:15:14 | warmi | http://www.zauruszone.com/wiki/index.php?ContestEntries |
| 21:15:22 | Cam_ | mark_: you're right - fretless makes no difference :) |
| 21:15:29 | BigBoss | uwe: www.thekompany.com/embedded |
| 21:15:47 | uwe | warmi: thx |
| 21:15:52 | warmi | I really like that tkcjabber thingy |
| 21:15:53 | mark_ | Cam_: will it deal with any note? |
| 21:16:04 | Cam_ | since writing powerchord I have discovered there is a Gnome Chord app - but it's a chord database, not an algorithm |
| 21:16:28 | mark_ | Cam_: did you write the tuning algorithm? |
| 21:16:29 | warmi | I am gonna steal theKompany aqua-like look and feel for my own apps .. |
| 21:16:31 | Cam_ | mark_: It has configurable tuning and you can define concert pitch or whatever standard you want |
| 21:16:44 | mark_ | Cam_: so can I say 'This note should be an A sharp'? |
| 21:16:44 | Cam_ | it's far from working yet |
| 21:16:49 | mark_ | heh |
| 21:16:50 | BigBoss | Cam: I like that it does 7 string guitar, but if you looked at the Warr guitar, it doesn't apply |
| 21:16:52 | kergoth | warmi: lol.. isnt their qstyle pretty? heheh |
| 21:17:02 | BigBoss | warmi: we dont' use an aqua look - it's more of an XP look |
| 21:17:07 | warmi | yeah, it is |
| 21:17:15 | warmi | BB: whatever you call it .. it is cool |
| 21:17:49 | warmi | you actually have full blown QStyle for this look ? |
| 21:18:00 | Cam_ | uhhh I just did a 2nd take at warr guitars |
| 21:18:04 | BigBoss | I didn't know a 7 string was retuned, I thought it was just a lower string |
| 21:18:14 | BigBoss | cam: cool huh? Look at the 14 string Phalanx |
| 21:18:32 | NetAmp | Yeah let's use the XP "Teletubby"-like (the default) style :P |
| 21:18:35 | BigBoss | I'm just playing the 12 string |
| 21:18:49 | Cam_ | do you need like... extra fingers? I thought that market was covered by the 'banjo' |
| 21:19:01 | BigBoss | http://www.warrguitars.com/products.html |
| 21:19:22 | BigBoss | it's cool cause there is a bass side and a guitar side and you play by tapping |
| 21:19:39 | Cam_ | sounds like... a dulcimer or something |
| 21:19:40 | BigBoss | i switch off playing it with both hands, or having one hand on it and one on my keyboards |
| 21:19:50 | BigBoss | not really, it's kind of hard to describe |
| 21:20:17 | BigBoss | I wanna get another one done with the wood in this picture |
| 21:20:19 | BigBoss | http://www.warrguitars.com/quilt8.html |
| 21:20:24 | BigBoss | this is an 8 string model |
| 21:20:30 | Cam_ | they looka little heavy |
| 21:20:54 | BigBoss | they are a bit heavy, I have a shoulder strap that distributes the weight |
| 21:21:12 | BigBoss | they are all hand made using whatever woods you want. The one I have now is Zebra wood |
| 21:21:21 | BigBoss | like http://www.warrguitars.com/zebra8.html |
| 21:21:54 | Cam_ | wow, to think I have a lowly entry level acoustic |
| 21:22:08 | Cam_ | I'm not buying a better one till I have earned it |
| 21:22:11 | BigBoss | http://www.warrguitars.com/trey.html |
| 21:22:20 | BigBoss | this shows it on a guy to give you some perspective |
| 21:22:54 | Cam_ | wow it looks like "The kind of guitar a Klingon would play" |
| 21:23:10 | BigBoss | the problem on my model is that it has a smaller body and the neck is really heavy so it kind of leans forward |
| 21:23:26 | BigBoss | you wouldn't believe the bass sounds on this thing. Having all that wood just makes it boom |
| 21:23:35 | BigBoss | I can cause a woman to give birth by playing loudly :) |
| 21:23:39 | Cam_ | hehe |
| 21:23:55 | Cam_ | might call for an mp3 of that sound for later this year :) |
| 21:24:20 | NetAmp | You could use the Z as a baby monitor ;) |
| 21:24:50 | Cam_ | I missed the bit in the product spec where it claims to be vomit proof |
| 21:25:01 | BigBoss | I should start making mp3's of some of the stuff I've written/recorded and put it on our web site |
| 21:25:18 | Cam_ | BigBoss: that would be cool |
| 21:25:51 | BigBoss | the guy who made these, Mark Warr, is actually a Fire Captain, and he is totally obsessed with woods and their affect on tone and sustain |
| 21:25:59 | BigBoss | he's really interesting to talk to |
| 21:26:06 | BigBoss | I'd never thought about it before then |
| 21:26:29 | Cam_ | just reading about the 'quarter sawn laminates'... it shows |
| 21:26:57 | BigBoss | http://www.warrguitars.com/artisan.html |
| 21:27:05 | BigBoss | this is a new semi-hollow body, it's amazing |
| 21:32:16 | Cam_ | I'd better get Powerchord finished then :) |
| 21:33:50 | BigBoss | do a Warr version for me with dual 5th tunings and un-crossed :) |
| 21:34:11 | BigBoss | I went through and marked all the frets that were C so that I had some reference |
| 21:37:46 | Cam_ | BigBoss: after the contest I'll see what I can do to accomodate the unusual guitars |
| 21:38:46 | whard-pda | you bastards! |
| 21:39:11 | kergoth | whard-pda: heh |
| 21:39:14 | NetAmp | whard-pda: ;) |
| 21:39:36 | NetAmp | greetings to you too |
| 21:39:42 | NetAmp | gheh |
| 21:40:11 | uwe | slaps whard-pda around with a small 50lb Unix Manual |
| 21:40:16 | whardier | slaps whard-pda |
| 21:40:26 | whard-pda | HEY |
| 21:40:29 | whardier | BASTARD |
| 21:40:33 | whardier | WHY I AUGHTA! |
| 21:40:40 | kergoth | hehh |
| 21:40:44 | whardier | fbvncserver needs some security :) |
| 21:40:54 | whardier | a friend at HP is connected to my PDA |
| 21:40:54 | whardier | hahaha |
| 21:41:01 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:41:13 | whardier | atleast I got hsi work number out of it |
| 21:42:00 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:43:46 | whardier | ok kergoth baby.. lets use ALL the ram! |
| 21:43:58 | whardier | have you tested that yet at all? |
| 21:43:59 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:44:06 | kergoth | no |
| 21:44:11 | kergoth | why? to see how it reacts? |
| 21:44:17 | whardier | downs another caffinated carbonated prune juice |
| 21:44:24 | whardier | yeah |
| 21:44:47 | kergoth | havent tested it. it obviously wont have an oom, so it'd likely crash hardcore |
| 21:44:47 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:45:06 | whardier | an oom? |
| 21:45:24 | kergoth | er s/oom/oom killer/ |
| 21:45:29 | kergoth | oom = a condition |
| 21:45:30 | kergoth | out of memory |
| 21:45:32 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:45:38 | whardier | why wouldn't it? |
| 21:45:39 | NetAmp | CloneBot: Illegal Clone detected! whardier is setvba@cloaked.gahitsu.org / whard-pda is dbrusf@cloaked.gahitsu.org |
| 21:45:44 | NetAmp | :P |
| 21:45:47 | kergoth | the killer is implemented in some kernels, kills the offending application when it runs out of ram |
| 21:45:48 | whardier | fawker |
| 21:45:54 | whardier | oh |
| 21:46:01 | kergoth | i doubt they did that here |
| 21:46:06 | whardier | well.. I gotta go make peace with the indians |
| 21:46:07 | whardier | bbl |
| 21:46:09 | kergoth | ttyl |
| 21:48:14 | Neo|Work | anyone knows if the ZAurus rom has jpeg loading builtin? |
| 21:48:18 | Neo|Work | I know the SDK does not.. |
| 21:48:43 | uwe | anybody know more details about zaurus at javaOne ? |
| 21:48:46 | tux_mike | blah |
| 21:49:06 | kergoth | yawns |
| 21:49:11 | kergoth | uwe: what details do you need? heh |
| 21:49:37 | uwe | can everyone buy a Z ? what's the price ? |
| 21:50:03 | Cam_ | it's supposed to be cheap for the developer one... |
| 21:50:16 | kergoth | uwe: $199, what what jason said. sl5000d.. blowing out their current inventory of them |
| 21:50:30 | Cam_ | shame if it's not convenient to get to JavaOne |
| 21:50:44 | kergoth | too bad im broke |
| 21:50:48 | kergoth | and no where near javaone |
| 21:50:49 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:51:11 | Cam_ | where is javaOne, I'm guessing it's not in the UK :/ |
| 21:51:40 | kergoth | Cam_: no its not, i think jason said it was in san fransisco, but I dunno for sure. my memory sucks :-) |
| 21:51:53 | uwe | kergoth: 199$ ? true ? can you show me this offer on http://servlet.java.sun.com/javaone/ ? |
| 21:52:40 | kergoth | uwe: i dont know if its up there, i'm just going by what jason mentioned |
| 21:53:53 | Cam_ | I bet the UK developers who paid full price for a developer Z will be gutted |
| 21:55:05 | uwe | kergoth: you know the jason's email ? so i could ask him... |
| 21:55:08 | fusion94 | JavaOne is held at the Moscone Convention Center in San Francisco |
| 21:55:23 | kergoth | uwe: perlowj@sharpsec.com, iirc |
| 21:55:26 | kergoth | fusion94: ah |
| 21:56:07 | uwe | kergoth: thx. |
| 21:56:53 | BigBoss | The ECS embedded conference is wrapping up there today I believe |
| 21:57:07 | tux_mike | is gonna have to yell at jason |
| 21:57:34 | tux_mike | i can't get to the product info page on handago.com/sharp (leads back to the sharpusa website |
| 21:57:35 | tux_mike | ) |
| 21:57:38 | kergoth | ah |
| 21:57:41 | kergoth | yeah it does |
| 21:57:44 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:58:14 | tux_mike | i don't use nutscrape or IE! |
| 21:58:18 | BigBoss | they've been dicking around with that order system this week |
| 21:58:30 | NetAmp | sharpusa finally stopped taunting with the SL5500 |
| 21:58:31 | NetAmp | ;) |
| 21:58:35 | kergoth | i look forward to myzaurus.com and the handango shit being stable & functional |
| 21:58:37 | tux_mike | i hate nustcrape and can't use IE |
| 21:58:52 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:58:52 | BigBoss | Woohoo - I got my 'in box' under 100 messages :) |
| 21:58:54 | kergoth | i use mozilla |
| 21:58:56 | kergoth | myself |
| 21:59:07 | kergoth | BigBoss: nice! email cleanup time? |
| 21:59:07 | tux_mike | i use galeon most of the time and then sometimes mozilla |
| 21:59:09 | kergoth | heheh |
| 21:59:22 | kergoth | tux_mike: same difference.. hehe. i care about the engine primarily :-) |
| 21:59:32 | kergoth | tux_mike: only reason i use mozilla rather than galeon is i use mozilla-mailnews as well |
| 21:59:40 | BigBoss | kergoth: I leave things in my inbox that require attention - I'm finally getting to the less urgent stuff |
| 21:59:42 | tux_mike | kergoth: well, galeon doesn't do javascript as nicely as mozilla |
| 21:59:43 | Cam_ | <-- just got the nightly build from mozillazine.org |
| 21:59:55 | BigBoss | I take care of 90% of it immediately, but there is a slow build up |
| 21:59:57 | kergoth | tux_mike: even the latest build? |
| 22:00:01 | tux_mike | i use konqueror when im on kde. it's so nice |
| 22:00:03 | kergoth | BigBoss: ah ic.. |
| 22:00:16 | Cam_ | I <3 Mozilla |
| 22:00:16 | kergoth | i like konq.. i flip back and forth between konq and moz |
| 22:00:22 | tux_mike | kergoth: i dunno, i'm using the ximian build. to lazy to upgrade. i just switch to mozilla when it don't work :) |
| 22:00:25 | kergoth | and i flip back and forth between kde and e17 |
| 22:00:26 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:00:30 | kergoth | tux_mike: ah |
| 22:00:50 | kergoth | tux_mike: i'm on debian.. the new galeon build i believe is based on a recent gecko build. |
| 22:01:02 | kergoth | tux_mike: mozilla 0.9.9 is quite nice, they're working the kinks out |
| 22:01:15 | Cam_ | I use 0.9.9 and dillo |
| 22:01:35 | tux_mike | i'll prolly go back to kde when 3.0 is released |
| 22:01:38 | Cam_ | dillo is so fast, and for most pages it's fine |
| 22:03:38 | tux_mike | i just wish there was a good luna style for kde |
| 22:04:37 | kergoth | i use liquid myself |
| 22:04:42 | BigBoss | damn mozilla is buggy as hell |
| 22:04:46 | mark_ | kergoth: no liquid for kde3 :( |
| 22:04:48 | kergoth | BigBoss: how so? |
| 22:04:53 | kergoth | mark_: yeah, i know. heh. |
| 22:05:02 | mark_ | kergoth: well there was, which is what I'm using atm :) |
| 22:05:03 | BigBoss | I get more emails from being all pissed that our ftp server isn't showing files, and it's a bug in Mozilla |
| 22:05:08 | kergoth | mark_: i try to follow whats going on in kde, but theres so much drama... |
| 22:05:10 | kergoth | mark_: ehhe |
| 22:05:19 | BigBoss | Is mosfet still foot stomping about kde3? |
| 22:05:20 | mark_ | kergoth: no no, the drama is just mosfet |
| 22:05:28 | BigBoss | Mosfet and Neil Stevens |
| 22:05:35 | BigBoss | for totally different reasons |
| 22:05:41 | Neo|Work | is away: afk |
| 22:05:42 | kergoth | yep |
| 22:05:51 | mark_ | BigBoss: Neil is the most highly opinionated guy I have ever come into contact with. He has a natural knack for argueing with people |
| 22:05:58 | kergoth | mark_: we've noticed |
| 22:06:01 | kergoth | mark_: heh |
| 22:06:09 | BigBoss | Neil is one of the biggest pains in the ass I've ever met |
| 22:06:22 | BigBoss | he has all of RMS dementia without any of its consistancy |
| 22:06:49 | Cam_ | tsk tsk letting personalities get in the way |
| 22:06:54 | kergoth | yep |
| 22:07:05 | BigBoss | Neil hates Qt, hates TT hates us, loves KDE, thinks all Qt is evil, wants no one to do commercial software - let the workers unite |
| 22:07:12 | mark_ | BigBoss: yes. He was planning a kde style that _crashed_ when you tried to run a Qt only app on it |
| 22:07:25 | BigBoss | I know - I got involved in the conversation |
| 22:07:36 | BigBoss | which subsequently had Mosfet foot stamping again |
| 22:07:36 | tux_mike | hrm... can mozilla lie on the user agent? |
| 22:07:46 | mark_ | BigBoss: oh right, I had an argument about that with him via irc |
| 22:07:51 | Cam_ | tux_mike: I don't think so |
| 22:07:52 | BigBoss | Mosfet worked for me briefly when we first started, and came asking for a job again last summer |
| 22:08:03 | tux_mike | that's one of the best features of konq |
| 22:08:10 | Cam_ | I think it' |
| 22:08:12 | BigBoss | I told him I was concerned about his work ethic and ability to play well with others, and he went flying off onto another rant |
| 22:08:25 | Cam_ | it's sucky - Opera does it too, but users shouldn't have to do that stuff. |
| 22:08:27 | NetAmp | That sounds kinda familiar.... almost Micro$oft-like, heh :P Microsoft also has some way of crashing Opera when you run it on Windows ;) |
| 22:08:55 | mark_ | NetAmp: my argument was basically that he was trying to remove peoples choice to run QT apps if they liked his style |
| 22:08:58 | sjohnson | tux_mike: yes, mozilla can do that. You have at add a userpref to the configuration files |
| 22:09:11 | NetAmp | mark_: yeah that sucks :( |
| 22:09:27 | BigBoss | mark: yea, he thinks choice is fine, as long as it's his choice |
| 22:09:28 | tux_mike | sjohnson: is there a howto on the net? |
| 22:09:38 | Cam_ | sjohnson: by extension any browser you get in source form could do it... but Moz doesn't have it on the gui by deafult |
| 22:10:05 | mark_ | BigBoss: heh, yeh. that being said, he is v useful on #kde and #kde-users |
| 22:10:18 | sjohnson | tux_mike: The directions are on mozilla.org. I don't recall the exact location. |
| 22:10:22 | tux_mike | ok |
| 22:10:53 | tux_mike | hrm... anyone use the backup/restore feature on the Z? |
| 22:11:04 | BigBoss | but he scares off anyone that wants to use it in a company |
| 22:11:30 | mark_ | BigBoss: in what way? |
| 22:11:51 | NetAmp | To infinity, and beyond! |
| 22:12:08 | BigBoss | by opening his mouth |
| 22:12:23 | BigBoss | that open letter he and charles sent out was ridiculous |
| 22:12:34 | mark_ | dont know anything about that |
| 22:13:01 | Cam_ | while we're drifting wildly off topic... :) anyone seen www.vestasys.org? |
| 22:14:03 | sjohnson | tux_mike: Here is example. It goes in prefs.js |
| 22:14:13 | tux_mike | ok |
| 22:14:20 | sjohnson | user_pref("general.useragent.override", "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv 0.9.2) Gecko/20010726 Netscape6/6.1"); |
| 22:14:33 | sjohnson | or... |
| 22:14:35 | sjohnson | user_pref("general.useragent.override", "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; MSIE5.5; Windows 98;"); |
| 22:14:37 | sjohnson | :) |
| 22:20:43 | tux_mike | hrm... i hope this works |
| 22:22:14 | NetAmp | gah I hope 5500 price will go \/ downnnn before it's outdated ;) |
| 22:22:39 | NetAmp | Hm well I'll see if they get shipped here... |
| 22:24:17 | tux_mike | wierd... qtopia starts running out of memory with file transfers over 5 megs |
| 22:25:22 | NetAmp | that sucks... is it buffering too much? |
| 22:25:33 | tux_mike | no, it's as used ram |
| 22:25:39 | NetAmp | hm... |
| 22:25:41 | tux_mike | something ain't freeing |
| 22:27:39 | tux_mike | i hope i can transfer this new rom via ftp to the z |
| 22:27:54 | NetAmp | -=- the time is: @979 -=- |
| 22:30:04 | NetAmp | heh, internet time never really made it, did it... |
| 22:30:14 | mark_ | lol, no |
| 22:30:31 | kergoth | tux_mike: split it apart with dd. lol |
| 22:31:15 | NetAmp | I'll go port internet time to Z. Hm wait there's also a Java applet. That saves time :P |
| 22:32:07 | tux_mike | hrm... uploads to the z are fine, downloads take up all the ram. i think we have a memory leak |
| 22:32:28 | kergoth | tux_mike: when using what? the ftp server in qtopia? |
| 22:32:32 | tux_mike | yah |
| 22:32:34 | kergoth | ah |
| 22:32:37 | kergoth | wouldnt surprise me |
| 22:32:37 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:32:40 | tux_mike | nope |
| 22:33:08 | NetAmp | is the opie ftp server better? ;) |
| 22:33:16 | kergoth | NetAmp: the opie ftp server IS hte qtopia ftp server |
| 22:33:17 | kergoth | NetAmp: hehe |
| 22:33:21 | kergoth | NetAmp: we havent touched that code |
| 22:33:27 | NetAmp | *lol* |
| 22:33:50 | kergoth | NetAmp: nor will we, if we can help it. library/ changes are to be avoided at this point. and when we change the library, we pursue said changes with trolltech |
| 22:34:06 | NetAmp | ah that's such a disappointment, that I've now made the final decission to install WinCE on my Z :P |
| 22:34:16 | kergoth | ew. |
| 22:34:17 | NetAmp | *muhaha* |
| 22:34:35 | kergoth | libopie is coming. |
| 22:34:36 | NetAmp | feels kinda sick in his stomach after saying that... |
| 22:34:37 | kergoth | eheh |
| 22:34:43 | kergoth | NetAmp: as well you should |
| 22:35:08 | kendrick2 | re |
| 22:35:19 | NetAmp | hiya kendrick |
| 22:35:50 | kendrick2 | how goes it? |
| 22:35:58 | kergoth | hey kendrick2 |
| 22:35:59 | kendrick2 | talk went well last night |
| 22:36:06 | kendrick2 | i probably went a little too long :) |
| 22:36:14 | kergoth | kendrick2: whatd they think? |
| 22:36:15 | kendrick2 | I used the VNC server - man, it was awesome :) |
| 22:36:22 | kendrick2 | lots of interest... then they hear the price ;) ;) |
| 22:36:45 | kergoth | heheh |
| 22:36:46 | kendrick2 | one fellow was thinking of getting an ipaq and throwing linux on it... i think he's sold on the z, tho :) |
| 22:36:52 | kergoth | good |
| 22:36:53 | kendrick2 | i wonder if i can get commission? bwahahah |
| 22:36:56 | kergoth | hah |
| 22:37:02 | kendrick2 | bbia-sec |
| 22:38:03 | kendrick2 | returns |
| 22:38:14 | tux_mike | whee! time to apply the SD root rom :) |
| 22:38:43 | kergoth | tux_mike: found it? |
| 22:38:44 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:38:46 | tux_mike | yah |
| 22:38:59 | tux_mike | a little while ago, now time to make it work :) |
| 22:39:17 | tux_mike | good thing it comes with the good net_fd.o :) |
| 22:39:21 | kergoth | cool cool |
| 22:39:22 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:39:37 | kergoth | *menacing deep voice* oz 3 is coming... |
| 22:39:41 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:39:41 | tux_mike | woot! |
| 22:39:47 | NetAmp | whooo spooky |
| 22:39:55 | tux_mike | how much is working? |
| 22:40:35 | tux_mike | uh, oh. are both lights supposed to go off when flashing? |
| 22:40:47 | kendrick2 | hehe |
| 22:40:58 | NetAmp | "OZ3 - Unleash the full power of Z" |
| 22:41:33 | kergoth | tux_mike: dunno, i havent checked to see if ipkg works on it yet. hehe. once it is, i'll start installing various ipks into it, package it, and call it oz 3.. then i'll work on adding the rest of the shit to the buildsystem |
| 22:41:34 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:41:48 | kergoth | i still need to put together a bootup menu |
| 22:42:00 | kergoth | so you could choose picogui, x, opie, etc depending on whats installed |
| 22:42:00 | tux_mike | well, my Z boots. *phew* i don't remember both lights going out on me |
| 22:42:08 | kergoth | tux_mike: battery was probably fully charged |
| 22:42:13 | kergoth | tux_mike: then that light wouldve gone out |
| 22:42:15 | tux_mike | ah |
| 22:42:18 | tux_mike | yah it was |
| 22:42:19 | kergoth | tux_mike: the other light always does |
| 22:42:20 | kergoth | tux_mike: cool |
| 22:42:27 | tux_mike | *phew* :) |
| 22:42:31 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:42:42 | kergoth | mine had both lights flashing indefinately |
| 22:42:47 | tux_mike | even though the orange light is still on now |
| 22:42:47 | kergoth | thats an ugly result of a flash |
| 22:43:08 | tux_mike | with luck we'll never have to go through that again! :) |
| 22:43:14 | kergoth | if you wipe your mtd with a initrd full of 0xffs, it'll flash both lights over and over |
| 22:43:15 | kergoth | dunno why |
| 22:43:29 | NetAmp | because... |
| 22:43:33 | NetAmp | ...of... |
| 22:43:39 | NetAmp | ...the mtd GNOMES!! |
| 22:43:41 | NetAmp | aaaaaaah! |
| 22:43:45 | kergoth | they're dead |
| 22:43:52 | kergoth | dances on their grave |
| 22:43:54 | kergoth | s/grave/graves/ |
| 22:44:01 | NetAmp | *lolz* |
| 22:44:18 | NetAmp | Pingizauru has squashed them |
| 22:44:24 | BigBoss | kendrick: I am talking to you |
| 22:44:40 | tux_mike | they weren't shitting that the creation of the file structure on the SD card takes forever |
| 22:44:40 | kergoth | NetAmp: nono, he burned them. alive. |
| 22:44:42 | kergoth | NetAmp: ;-) |
| 22:44:48 | kergoth | tux_mike: heh |
| 22:44:49 | NetAmp | even better ;) |
| 22:45:13 | tux_mike | but i'll have 64M of storage and 32M of ram. woot! |
| 22:45:49 | kergoth | tux_mike: i'm not going to create a mtd1 device in openzaurus either.. i'll leave the rootfs writable, and fix the ipkg alternate install paths |
| 22:45:52 | mark_ | tux_mike: sl5500? |
| 22:46:03 | kergoth | mark_: sd as /home rom |
| 22:46:25 | tux_mike | yah sd /home :) |
| 22:46:33 | mark_ | sd as in secure digital? |
| 22:46:39 | kergoth | mark_: yeah |
| 22:46:45 | mark_ | same work for CF? |
| 22:46:51 | tux_mike | kergoth: cool |
| 22:46:57 | kergoth | mark_: it would.. would have to tweak the rom a bit |
| 22:47:23 | tux_mike | mark_: if you hacked the rom, maybe. but then you couldn't use a CF eth or modem or camera or serial or ... card :) |
| 22:47:43 | kergoth | i really need a sd card and a 802.11 cf nic |
| 22:47:47 | mark_ | kergoth: heh, too bad i'm gonna run the official rom on my Z |
| 22:47:54 | kergoth | mark_: heh |
| 22:48:00 | kergoth | mark_: nono, run OZ :-P |
| 22:48:20 | tux_mike | oz is teh shiznit! |
| 22:48:45 | mark_ | kergoth: I want libqobex and some other qtopia only stuff, which unfortunately isn't GPLed |
| 22:48:51 | kergoth | tux_mike: well, the half existing v3 anyway |
| 22:49:07 | kergoth | mark_: hehe. start writing libopieobex :-P |
| 22:49:29 | mark_ | kergoth: heh |
| 22:49:36 | tux_mike | i thought they were using the openobex code? |
| 22:49:40 | mark_ | they are |
| 22:49:46 | tux_mike | that's gpl |
| 22:49:46 | kergoth | tux_mike: they are, but the qt interface to is isnt open source |
| 22:49:49 | tux_mike | ah |
| 22:49:52 | kergoth | s/to is/to it/ |
| 22:49:58 | mark_ | tux_mike: openobex is bsd or mit i thought |
| 22:50:08 | tux_mike | kergoth: can we solve that by just copying it over? |
| 22:50:17 | tux_mike | mark_: maybe... i assume too much :) |
| 22:50:23 | kergoth | tux_mike: yeah, not legally though. hehe. |
| 22:50:33 | mark_ | i tried it, couldn't get it to work |
| 22:50:34 | kergoth | tux_mike: course the buildsystem could do that for you, in a rev or two |
| 22:50:50 | kergoth | mark_: you tried libqobex on a non sharp rom? whatd it do? |
| 22:50:55 | tux_mike | kergoth: well, we couldn't distribute it, but cant a Z user leagally use it? |
| 22:51:00 | mark_ | kergoth: no, I tried it on my ipaq :) |
| 22:51:24 | kergoth | mmark_: ah, whatd it do? |
| 22:51:31 | mark_ | kergoth: bugger all :) |
| 22:51:34 | mark_ | tux_mike: its lgpl |
| 22:51:50 | kergoth | tux_mike: actually, thats a good question. depends on what the use license is on the items in a sharp rom |
| 22:52:33 | mark_ | i wish they'd open this up |
| 22:52:40 | kergoth | no kidding |
| 22:52:55 | kergoth | speaking of that bullshit, we need to open up communications with trolltech regarding the opie proejct specifically |
| 22:53:03 | kergoth | we need a communications channel for patches and other shit |
| 22:53:05 | mark_ | kergoth: here we go again :) |
| 22:53:06 | tux_mike | yah |
| 22:53:09 | BigBoss | have you started talking to them yet? |
| 22:53:15 | BigBoss | do you have someone to talk to? |
| 22:53:17 | kergoth | mark_: hehe |
| 22:53:45 | kergoth | BigBoss: not really. not certain who to contact regarding the project, and havent had time to look into it |
| 22:54:02 | mark_ | kergoth: and if I have Qtopia on my Z, i know what to aim for with Opie on my ipaq |
| 22:54:21 | warmi | mark_ you future Z, you mean ... |
| 22:54:24 | tux_mike | crap. where is the net_fd_102.o file... |
| 22:54:24 | warmi | heh |
| 22:54:34 | mark_ | warmi: yes, my very future Z |
| 22:54:37 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:54:43 | kendrick2 | kerg - totally :) |
| 22:54:56 | kendrick2 | tux_mike - find is your friend :) |
| 22:55:01 | kendrick2 | just do "find / -name "net_fd*" |
| 22:55:24 | BigBoss | what is the goal of communcating with TT? what are you hoping for? |
| 22:55:26 | tux_mike | kendrick2: yah, i figured that out the second i hit return on that gripe :) |
| 22:55:31 | warmi | I am so pissed we have to wait another two weeks for our Zs. .. I shouldn't be since it is freebie but uhhh |
| 22:55:46 | mark_ | BigBoss: hopefully them to open some stuff up, accept our patches |
| 22:56:06 | mark_ | BigBoss: and not to duplicate efforts |
| 22:56:13 | kergoth | BigBoss: 1) ensure that trolltech understands our intentions. 2) gain a contact or specific process for patch submission. |
| 22:56:15 | kergoth | BigBoss: among other things |
| 22:56:18 | kergoth | that too |
| 22:56:23 | BigBoss | open up what kind of stuff? Getting them to not duplicate efforts with you is an uphill battle |
| 22:56:38 | mark_ | BigBoss: we wont duplicate efforts with them. :) |
| 22:56:41 | BigBoss | I'd just contact their CEO Haavard Nord, he is very responsive usually |
| 22:56:42 | kergoth | BigBoss: nono, you misunderstand. we need to understand what they're working on, so we dont duplicate their work |
| 22:56:50 | kergoth | ah |
| 22:57:01 | mark_ | BigBoss: we'd really like the obex stuff opened |
| 22:57:03 | BigBoss | still an uphill battle - they just aren't good at communicating |
| 22:57:09 | BigBoss | what is obex? |
| 22:57:09 | kergoth | yeah no kidding |
| 22:57:10 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:57:26 | tux_mike | BigBoss: OBject EXchange |
| 22:57:32 | mark_ | BigBoss: a sorta binary HTTP, its used for communication with over devices over IR |
| 22:57:34 | BigBoss | do this, get the San Jose office phone number, call and talk to Haavard. If he is there, he answers his phone |
| 22:57:40 | Neo|Work | is away: meeting |
| 22:57:40 | kergoth | BigBoss: guess what. openzaurus 3.0 will actually have a release soon. hehe. took me long enough |
| 22:57:40 | tux_mike | standard for IR communication |
| 22:57:45 | BigBoss | well that would be nice |
| 22:57:47 | kergoth | BigBoss: okay, will do. |
| 22:58:10 | tux_mike | kergoth: i can't wait. opie'll be so cool |
| 22:58:44 | kergoth | tux_mike: yeah lots of developments with opie lately.. i myself havent contributed jack for code into opie recently.. so busy |
| 22:58:50 | warmi | I wonder why OPIE was created in the first place, after all QTopis is GPLed projects which means anyone could have made contributons .. |
| 22:59:05 | kergoth | warmi: uh, you neednt wonder, those of us who forked it are here |
| 22:59:08 | kergoth | warmi: heh |
| 22:59:10 | warmi | unles trolls weren't very interested is such contributions |
| 22:59:36 | tux_mike | kergoth: i should really finish my contribution |
| 22:59:50 | kergoth | warmi: qtpoia is gpl/qpl |
| 23:00:08 | kergoth | warmi: they have items they dont release the code for, and they often dont accept patches |
| 23:00:09 | warmi | yeah but what was the reason for this fork ? |
| 23:00:16 | warmi | ah ok |
| 23:00:18 | kergoth | warmi: see opie.handhelds.org |
| 23:00:28 | kergoth | warmi: we've had to answer this question every day for months. lol |
| 23:00:31 | kergoth | warmi: :-) |
| 23:00:34 | tux_mike | warmi: to make it better. |
| 23:00:45 | kergoth | warmi: imho, the qtopia applications suck. we wanted to improve it |
| 23:00:50 | kergoth | tux_mike: exactly |
| 23:00:51 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:00:58 | mark__ | kergoth: we could do that with libkcal :P |
| 23:01:01 | kergoth | I'm not one to sit around and complain. i'd rather start fixing shit |
| 23:01:01 | tux_mike | kergoth: i think next should be the launcher app, you wanna help me? :) |
| 23:01:02 | kendrick2 | what's mtdblock0 and mtdblock1? |
| 23:01:04 | kergoth | mark_: oh shush |
| 23:01:04 | kendrick2 | both SD crd? |
| 23:01:06 | kergoth | mark_: hehe |
| 23:01:13 | warmi | I know but what's the point of having Qtopia on sf if no once can contribute ? |
| 23:01:19 | kergoth | kendrick2: no. mtdblock0 = flash, mtdblock1 = persistant ram storage |
| 23:01:20 | warmi | I think Trolls fucked up here |
| 23:01:34 | kergoth | warmi: the sf cvs isnt even up to date with their internal work |
| 23:01:51 | warmi | I thought sf was the latest version ... |
| 23:01:57 | kendrick2 | kerg - well, i'm using 1.10sd rom, so /dev/mtdblock1 is /home, and therefore SD card I suppose |
| 23:02:03 | kergoth | warmi: the latest one thats publicly available, yes |
| 23:02:14 | kergoth | kendrick2: ah. hmm. cat /proc/mtd |
| 23:02:17 | warmi | then they should stop pretending that this is an open project and treat it like Qt |
| 23:02:20 | mark_ | kergoth: :P |
| 23:02:21 | kergoth | kendrick2: and whats the output of mount; |
| 23:02:25 | tux_mike | waits for the restore to finish |
| 23:02:36 | kergoth | warmi: heh. no shit :-) |
| 23:03:12 | kendrick2 | mtd0 is "mtdrom", mtd1 is "mtdram" |
| 23:03:18 | kendrick2 | so says /proc/mtd |
| 23:03:27 | warmi | I just got into Qtembedded and Qtopia in Dcember ... |
| 23:03:30 | kergoth | ah |
| 23:03:31 | kergoth | hm |
| 23:03:33 | NetAmp | well I'll have to wait even longer than 2 weeks, AND pay $$$, so be patient :P ;) |
| 23:03:34 | kendrick2 | yes? :) |
| 23:03:40 | NetAmp | hehe |
| 23:03:49 | kergoth | kendrick2: thats really weird. ls -l /dev/mtdblock* |
| 23:03:59 | warmi | NetAmp: sorry, again, where are yoy located ? |
| 23:04:09 | NetAmp | Netherlands, Europe |
| 23:04:16 | NetAmp | ;) |
| 23:04:19 | kendrick2 | 0 == 31,0 1 == 60,1 |
| 23:04:30 | kendrick2 | Netherlands is in EUROPE!? |
| 23:04:31 | kendrick2 | ;) |
| 23:04:43 | NetAmp | kendrick2: yah we moved it there |
| 23:05:02 | warmi | they even make it bigger every now and then .. |
| 23:05:06 | kendrick2 | ;) |
| 23:05:15 | warmi | or do they ? |
| 23:05:19 | NetAmp | yep ;) |
| 23:05:29 | kendrick2 | woah - i dont see "/" in 'df |
| 23:05:35 | warmi | NetAmp: you guys still stealing land from the ocean ? |
| 23:05:43 | kergoth | kendrick2: yeah, you wont. |
| 23:05:43 | NetAmp | well I also think it sucks you have to wait... but, they're free :D |
| 23:06:06 | NetAmp | warmi: yes as a matter of fact there are plans to extend Schiphol Airport into the sea ;) |
| 23:06:30 | NetAmp | maybe we could 'extend' to the US, so I can get a Z there :P |
| 23:06:53 | fusion94 | where are the lineo ppl ? |
| 23:06:55 | warmi | that would completely kill off illegal drug market over here ... |
| 23:07:14 | NetAmp | (now that would take a while, it'd be faster to wait until mother nature moves the continents) |
| 23:07:23 | NetAmp | warmi: you're right about that ;) |
| 23:07:27 | NetAmp | hehe |
| 23:07:51 | warmi | not that I need them .. I just quit smoking l10 months ago |
| 23:08:00 | NetAmp | *lol* |
| 23:08:03 | warmi | I am completely drug-free these days |
| 23:08:12 | NetAmp | I'm not. I'm on caffeine |
| 23:08:12 | fusion94 | l10 months ago ? |
| 23:08:20 | warmi | 10 |
| 23:08:24 | fusion94 | caffeine and booze |
| 23:08:25 | warmi | I wish it was 100 |
| 23:08:28 | fusion94 | oh |
| 23:08:33 | fusion94 | and i'm hooked on phonics |
| 23:08:41 | NetAmp | heh |
| 23:08:59 | warmi | I am hooked on food .. but working on kicking that one as well |
| 23:09:21 | fusion94 | food.... |
| 23:09:23 | fusion94 | yum |
| 23:09:28 | fusion94 | food is good |
| 23:09:58 | warmi | yeah but then I have to spend 1h every day at gym |
| 23:10:13 | warmi | which takes my time away from my computers which is ultimately a bad thing |
| 23:10:31 | NetAmp | hrm no Z at sharp.nl |
| 23:10:50 | warmi | do they even plan to sell Zs in Europe ? |
| 23:10:58 | kendrick2 | i thought so |
| 23:11:06 | kendrick2 | europe & us at the same time, no? then japan? |
| 23:11:06 | NetAmp | uhhhmm... hope so, heh ;) |
| 23:11:09 | kendrick2 | forgets :) |
| 23:11:20 | warmi | Japan has its own version with different OS |
| 23:11:31 | NetAmp | yeah Sharp proprietary |
| 23:12:14 | Aelfweld | they also have a sharp with a built in digital camera in japan, at least there was that one writeup with image of one |
| 23:12:33 | Aelfweld | a zaurus rather |
| 23:12:40 | NetAmp | (heck they should've gone with the dollar instead of this friggin' Euro) |
| 23:12:48 | NetAmp | Aelfweld: yes I saw that too :) |
| 23:13:03 | whardier | NOBODY carries 38 inch long pants! |
| 23:13:07 | whardier | damn the world! |
| 23:13:10 | warmi | NetAmp: you lucky they didn't go with Deutch mark |
| 23:13:17 | fusion94 | whardier: yeah it sucks mate |
| 23:13:20 | NetAmp | warmi: hahaha yeah! |
| 23:13:27 | fusion94 | whardier: sucks to be tall |
| 23:13:32 | whardier | I cannot even find 36's! |
| 23:13:35 | whardier | GRRR |
| 23:13:42 | whardier | tackles american pants |
| 23:13:51 | fusion94 | heh |
| 23:14:01 | warmi | it is bettter to be tall than to be fat ... same problem with pants but there is a world of difference |
| 23:14:02 | warmi | lol |
| 23:14:09 | fusion94 | as opossed to Canadian pants ? |
| 23:14:15 | whardier | Canadians are TALLL! |
| 23:14:18 | NetAmp | or Dutch pants |
| 23:14:19 | fusion94 | bah |
| 23:14:21 | NetAmp | :P |
| 23:14:22 | whardier | they have a good selection up there |
| 23:14:23 | whardier | :) |
| 23:14:23 | fusion94 | Dutch are tall |
| 23:14:29 | whardier | Fine.. I need to go dutch! |
| 23:14:30 | whardier | haha |
| 23:14:39 | whardier | I have 2 pairs of pants |
| 23:14:40 | whardier | total |
| 23:14:46 | whardier | because the others keep falling apart |
| 23:14:49 | fusion94 | whardier: head to javastrasse in masterdam |
| 23:14:58 | warmi | I don't think I have ever seen "live" dutch |
| 23:14:58 | whardier | amsterdam? |
| 23:15:23 | NetAmp | oh well I'll bring a bunch if I ever go to the US ;) |
| 23:15:27 | NetAmp | heh |
| 23:15:31 | warmi | NetApp: which city do you live in ? |
| 23:15:33 | whardier | thanks! |
| 23:15:46 | whardier | I wear a 38-38 |
| 23:15:46 | whardier | heh |
| 23:15:55 | whardier | has a big booty |
| 23:16:02 | NetAmp | warmi: uhhhh... village actually :D It's in the southern part of NL |
| 23:16:10 | kendrick2 | fiddles with his agenda |
| 23:16:14 | fusion94 | whardier: yeah, amsterdam, it's in the Netherlands, you know ..... Holland ?? Home of the Dutch ?? |
| 23:16:23 | whardier | you said masterdam |
| 23:16:32 | fusion94 | yeah well i cant type |
| 23:16:34 | NetAmp | s/ma/am |
| 23:16:38 | whardier | maam |
| 23:16:40 | fusion94 | i suffer from rasteritis |
| 23:16:44 | warmi | I thought NL was pretty much one large city .. |
| 23:16:44 | whardier | ? |
| 23:16:55 | fusion94 | warmi: um know it isn;t |
| 23:16:57 | whardier | warmi so is Alaska |
| 23:17:01 | whardier | too many villages |
| 23:17:01 | fusion94 | um now it isn't even |
| 23:17:04 | whardier | too few cities |
| 23:17:06 | fusion94 | no damnit |
| 23:17:11 | fusion94 | too many beers |
| 23:17:19 | NetAmp | Heineken is Dutch |
| 23:17:22 | NetAmp | hehe |
| 23:17:25 | warmi | considering population density in NL , it ceartainly seems that way |
| 23:17:31 | whardier | I have never had a Heineken |
| 23:17:39 | kergoth | i dont drink beer |
| 23:17:40 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:17:46 | whardier | you drink Vodka |
| 23:17:49 | whardier | you russian bastard! |
| 23:17:53 | kergoth | aha |
| 23:18:00 | ][N-Flux | sup peeps |
| 23:18:03 | ][N-Flux | is back (gone 09:57:20) |
| 23:18:03 | kergoth | and tequila, and rum, and whatever else. just no beer |
| 23:18:05 | kergoth | hey ][N-Flux |
| 23:18:06 | matrix- | hey everybody! |
| 23:18:07 | whardier | my cat is tring to turn the handle on the door |
| 23:18:09 | kergoth | hey matrix- |
| 23:18:10 | ][N-Flux | got that isa shite working |
| 23:18:12 | warmi | hi matrix |
| 23:18:18 | matrix- | got a case number from Sharp service! =) |
| 23:18:20 | kergoth | ][N-Flux: what was up with it? |
| 23:18:25 | kergoth | matrix-: ah nice |
| 23:18:27 | NetAmp | hiya matrix |
| 23:18:31 | ][N-Flux | had to specify io and irq shit |
| 23:18:35 | kergoth | ][N-Flux: figured :-) |
| 23:18:37 | ][N-Flux | and replace a card |
| 23:18:39 | kergoth | ][N-Flux: glad ya got it goin |
| 23:18:40 | fusion94 | whardier: whose a russian bastard ? |
| 23:18:50 | matrix- | whardier: that means your cat is a raptor. |
| 23:18:55 | ][N-Flux | kergoth: me too, hate getting stuck on things on site |
| 23:18:56 | kergoth | fusion94: hes callin me a russion bastard cuz i drink vodka.. lmao |
| 23:18:57 | whardier | haha |
| 23:19:00 | whardier | they get smarter |
| 23:19:02 | whardier | and can trap me |
| 23:19:04 | kergoth | lol |
| 23:19:10 | whardier | sometimes I get snuggled from all angles |
| 23:19:10 | fusion94 | kergoth: nah. your canadian |
| 23:19:13 | matrix- | you can't hunt a raptor! they're too damn smart! |
| 23:19:17 | kergoth | fusion94: lol |
| 23:19:22 | whardier | angels |
| 23:19:23 | whardier | err |
| 23:19:25 | whardier | angles |
| 23:19:26 | whardier | hahahaha |
| 23:19:26 | matrix- | yeah.. one of them gets your attention.. |
| 23:19:27 | whardier | AAH |
| 23:19:32 | whardier | I turned into fusion94 ! |
| 23:19:36 | kergoth | lol |
| 23:19:57 | whardier | my damn cat is too fucking smart.. |
| 23:19:59 | fusion94 | whardier: rasteritis |
| 23:20:03 | whardier | just the way he looks at you lets you know |
| 23:20:06 | ][N-Flux | the 1.13 rom available yet? |
| 23:20:09 | matrix- | give it a kitty lobotomy! |
| 23:20:13 | whardier | nooo |
| 23:20:36 | whardier | I get to go bowling tonight |
| 23:20:37 | matrix- | all you need is a drill and a McDonald's straw |
| 23:20:37 | whardier | WHEEEE |
| 23:20:53 | whardier | prolly gonna go to a Hibachi grill before the fun bowling |
| 23:21:08 | matrix- | is that the place where they grill stuff on your table and flip stuff around? |
| 23:21:08 | fusion94 | kitty lobotomy ?? isn't that chicken chow mein ? |
| 23:21:15 | | wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! |
| 23:21:15 | NetAmp | ibot: pong? |
| 23:21:21 | | kendrick2: i'm not following you... |
| 23:21:21 | kendrick2 | ibot: thekompany |
| 23:21:24 | kendrick2 | tsk tsk |
| 23:21:43 | NetAmp | whardier: learn your cat to use the Z ;) |
| 23:21:58 | whardier | he uses the laptop |
| 23:21:59 | | kergoth is CANADIAN, not RUSSIAN |
| 23:21:59 | fusion94 | ibot: kergoth? |
| 23:22:00 | whardier | as a pillow |
| 23:22:03 | NetAmp | ghehe |
| 23:22:05 | kergoth | hah |
| 23:22:20 | matrix- | whardier: as a pillow.. or as a bed? |
| 23:22:25 | whardier | just a pillow |
| 23:22:28 | whardier | its a small laptop |
| 23:22:36 | whardier | a Vaio PCG505tx |
| 23:22:36 | matrix- | because right now I'm imagining your cat laying on the table w/ just it's head on the laptop.. |
| 23:22:43 | whardier | really really small |
| 23:22:45 | | ...but kergoth is CANADIAN, not RUSSIAN... |
| 23:22:45 | kergoth | ibot: no, kergoth is <reply> Go away or I'll replace you with a very small shell script. |
| 23:22:47 | | ...but kergoth is CANADIAN, not RUSSIAN... |
| 23:22:47 | kergoth | ibot: no, kergoth is <reply> Go away or I'll replace you with a very small shell script. |
| 23:22:49 | kergoth | stupid bot |
| 23:22:53 | | kergoth: I forgot kergoth |
| 23:22:53 | kergoth | ibot: forget kergoth |
| 23:22:57 | | OK, kergoth. |
| 23:22:57 | kergoth | ibot: kergoth is <reply> Go away or I'll replace you with a very small shell script. |
| 23:22:58 | matrix- | has $2000 in his wallet, waiting to be blown on a new vaio laptop.. |
| 23:23:05 | kergoth | why does no, only work in private messages with that damned thing? |
| 23:23:17 | tux_mike | vaio? evil. |
| 23:23:23 | matrix- | I wanna get the SRX77 |
| 23:23:29 | whardier | its small |
| 23:23:34 | whardier | and 1024x768 |
| 23:23:37 | whardier | which is odd |
| 23:23:38 | tux_mike | but evil |
| 23:23:41 | whardier | incredible screen |
| 23:23:44 | matrix- | built in 802.11b, built in 10/100T, built in modem.. |
| 23:23:45 | whardier | for such a small thing |
| 23:23:47 | whardier | its small |
| 23:23:48 | matrix- | vaios rule.. |
| 23:23:51 | whardier | did I mention its itsyness? |
| 23:23:55 | matrix- | The purple sony vaios.. |
| 23:24:02 | whardier | those are much better |
| 23:24:03 | Aelfweld | the slimbook is nice too if you don't mind the 10" screen |
| 23:24:03 | matrix- | they're like handsome gay men.. |
| 23:24:07 | whardier | I had one of those before this one |
| 23:24:17 | whardier | hey |
| 23:24:19 | matrix- | like.. it is sorta gay to have a purple laptop... |
| 23:24:24 | whardier | well |
| 23:24:27 | whardier | I was only borrowing |
| 23:24:28 | whardier | :) |
| 23:24:29 | matrix- | but it's a REALLY nice laptop.. |
| 23:24:53 | matrix- | so it's like really attractive gay men.. and even straight guys have to admit are kinda good looking.. |
| 23:24:53 | whardier | but gay |
| 23:25:02 | whardier | I would do it |
| 23:25:05 | whardier | and I am straight |
| 23:25:13 | matrix- | heh.. yes.. exactly.. |
| 23:25:13 | tux_mike | \and evil |
| 23:25:17 | tux_mike | very evil |
| 23:25:19 | matrix- | I've got a Z505 vaio also.. |
| 23:25:29 | | OK, warmi. |
| 23:25:29 | warmi | ibot: warmi is here |
| 23:25:29 | matrix- | Z505-HE |
| 23:25:32 | warmi | heh |
| 23:25:33 | matrix- | it's fallin apart though.. |
| 23:25:37 | tux_mike | get a sharp laptop. or a toshiba. or, dare i say, a compaq. |
| 23:25:43 | matrix- | psht.. |
| 23:25:51 | matrix- | tux_mike: onboard 802.11b |
| 23:25:54 | whardier | I want the sharp one |
| 23:26:00 | NetAmp | sharp rocks |
| 23:26:05 | tux_mike | matrix-: not compatable with linux yet |
| 23:26:05 | ][N-Flux | Libretto L2 or Casio Fova |
| 23:26:05 | NetAmp | ;) |
| 23:26:08 | ][N-Flux | Fiva even |
| 23:26:20 | matrix- | tux_mike: are you kidding me? it's oronico chipset |
| 23:26:24 | matrix- | it's totally compatable.. |
| 23:26:35 | matrix- | you can even drop those suckers into monitor mode w/ Snax's new patch.. |
| 23:26:39 | tux_mike | if it's using the Mini-pci as of last time i checked, it didn't work |
| 23:26:59 | matrix- | oh yeah.. fsckin shit.. it's not PCMCIA, huh? |
| 23:27:06 | tux_mike | nope |
| 23:27:20 | matrix- | crappity crap-o |
| 23:27:33 | matrix- | well.. I haven't dropped the money yet.. |
| 23:27:39 | matrix- | the laptop I want isn't in stock.. |
| 23:27:46 | matrix- | gimme suggestions.. |
| 23:27:55 | matrix- | I want a small, slick looking laptop.. |
| 23:27:59 | matrix- | with lots of connectivity |
| 23:28:17 | matrix- | for like.. $1400-$2000 |
| 23:29:14 | warmi | matrix-: you ar a rich man |
| 23:29:25 | warmi | anyway, time to call it a day and go home |
| 23:29:27 | warmi | bye |
| 23:29:29 | kergoth | later warmi |
| 23:29:37 | kergoth | needs a new job |
| 23:29:42 | tux_mike | same here |
| 23:29:48 | matrix- | actaully, I just got the security deposit back from my old apt.. |
| 23:31:58 | NetAmp | :) |
| 23:32:22 | tux_mike | gah. sd is slooooooooow! |
| 23:32:31 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:32:38 | whardier | mmc is fast.. ish.. |
| 23:32:46 | kergoth | whardier: compared to what/ |
| 23:32:47 | matrix- | still.. that vaio SRX-77 is a good computer for the price.. |
| 23:33:01 | tux_mike | whardier: sd is faster than mmc |
| 23:33:06 | matrix- | $1499 for a 850mhz tiny laptop.. |
| 23:33:38 | NetAmp | nice |
| 23:36:23 | NetAmp | [mp3] The Matrix soundtrack |
| 23:36:35 | NetAmp | hey a Matrix screensaver would be cool on the Z :D |
| 23:36:37 | NetAmp | ;) |
| 23:36:48 | whardier | heh |
| 23:36:50 | whardier | bastard |
| 23:37:26 | NetAmp | Cartman "ey, I'll kick you square in the nuts" |
| 23:38:20 | NetAmp | oops, did I scare him with that Cartman quote? :P |
| 23:38:33 | whardier | no he was scared already |
| 23:38:37 | whardier | he saw me in the chan list |
| 23:38:40 | NetAmp | Hahaha |
| 23:38:44 | kergoth | yep thatd do it |
| 23:38:48 | NetAmp | that could've been it ;) |
| 23:39:15 | whardier | could have been my private message to him.. |
| 23:39:20 | whardier | I don't think he wanted to cyber |
| 23:39:26 | NetAmp | HAHA lol |
| 23:39:30 | NetAmp | ewwww yuck! |
| 23:39:41 | NetAmp | feels like vomiting |
| 23:40:09 | whardier | is getting a kitty lapdance |
| 23:40:21 | NetAmp | sick, dude ;) |
| 23:40:21 | kergoth | whardier: you know, i really dont need to know |
| 23:40:23 | whardier | is getting beat to death for not following the no touching rule |
| 23:40:25 | matrix- | do you have a big stack of $1s? |
| 23:40:44 | whardier | damn cats |
| 23:40:48 | whardier | I wanna file down this ones teeth |
| 23:40:59 | matrix- | heh.. *sigh*.. strippers.. |
| 23:41:08 | matrix- | gets nostalgic.. |
| 23:41:13 | whardier | I had a great stripper once |
| 23:41:13 | kergoth | hah |
| 23:41:21 | NetAmp | VirtuaGirl on the Z |
| 23:41:23 | whardier | she was.. great.. |
| 23:41:26 | NetAmp | hm.. ;) |
| 23:41:27 | matrix- | hehe.. |
| 23:41:33 | matrix- | yeah.. I used to date an ex-stripper.. |
| 23:41:43 | whardier | so you have an ex ex-stripper? |
| 23:41:50 | matrix- | yup.. |
| 23:41:56 | matrix- | that makes her just a normal stripper.. |
| 23:41:58 | matrix- | double negative.. |
| 23:42:02 | whardier | possibly |
| 23:42:08 | NetAmp | heh |
| 23:42:34 | matrix- | I've still got pictures of her boobs somewhere.. |
| 23:42:36 | matrix- | is that wrong? |
| 23:42:38 | matrix- | heh |
| 23:43:04 | NetAmp | oh well... that depends |
| 23:43:13 | kergoth | matrix-: pfft. nothin wrong with that |
| 23:43:15 | whardier | not if you share |
| 23:43:21 | matrix- | laughs |
| 23:43:22 | NetAmp | hahaha |
| 23:43:26 | whardier | keeping them hidden is a sin |
| 23:43:32 | matrix- | dccs whardier |
| 23:43:37 | whardier | salivates |
| 23:44:03 | NetAmp | post 'em on the ZaurusZone wiki :P |
| 23:44:08 | kergoth | hah |
| 23:44:11 | matrix- | you guys wanna see pictures of me? |
| 23:44:13 | matrix- | http://www.adrweb.net/matrix/d33r.jpg |
| 23:44:39 | NetAmp | or incorporate them in the OZ3 package, that'll make people install it :P |
| 23:44:43 | matrix- | that's my.. boat in the background... |
| 23:44:44 | kergoth | "you guys wanna see pictures of me?" <- sentence that should never be said by a guy. :-P |
| 23:44:49 | matrix- | hahaha |
| 23:44:59 | matrix- | actually.. I used those boob pictures.. |
| 23:45:01 | ][N-Flux | nice |
| 23:45:02 | matrix- | for my CS540 project.. |
| 23:45:41 | whardier | I still wanna see boob pics |
| 23:45:46 | matrix- | but we could use whatever picture we wanted.. |
| 23:45:47 | whardier | not a deer fucker |
| 23:45:53 | matrix- | hahaha.. okay.. hold on.. |
| 23:46:04 | whardier | haha |
| 23:46:04 | whardier | rule |
| 23:46:19 | ][N-Flux | big bad nips |
| 23:46:32 | | netamp: bugger all, i dunno |
| 23:46:32 | NetAmp | ibot: where have you been? |
| 23:48:03 | matrix- | okay, accept that DCC |
| 23:48:36 | whardier | email man |
| 23:48:38 | whardier | shane@bogomip.com! |
| 23:48:41 | matrix- | haha |
| 23:48:41 | whardier | s/!// |
| 23:48:45 | matrix- | you can't dcc, can you? |
| 23:48:46 | whardier | hurry |
| 23:48:47 | whardier | hurry |
| 23:48:57 | whardier | I am NAT'ed ATM |
| 23:49:11 | matrix- | heh.. well.. that sux to be you.. |
| 23:49:14 | NetAmp | I'm NAT'ed too |
| 23:49:15 | whardier | wait wait |
| 23:49:17 | whardier | I can fix it! |
| 23:49:20 | matrix- | hehe |
| 23:49:21 | whardier | I wanna see boobs! |
| 23:49:39 | matrix- | you can see her w/ her clothes on.. at like.. www.adrweb.net/matrix/pix.html |
| 23:49:46 | whardier | no |
| 23:49:49 | whardier | GOTTA HAVE THEM GONE! |
| 23:49:51 | matrix- | heh |
| 23:50:01 | matrix- | go log-in over a shell acct somewhere |
| 23:50:06 | matrix- | where you're not natted.. |
| 23:50:08 | whardier | I WAS SOO CLOSE! |
| 23:50:12 | matrix- | hahaha |
| 23:50:22 | whardier | heh |
| 23:50:28 | whardier | why am I shelling somewherE? |
| 23:50:43 | matrix- | cuz if you shell somewhere.,. then IRC from there.. no nat.. |
| 23:51:24 | whardier | try DCC again |
| 23:51:35 | whardier | now I just want it fixed damnit |
| 23:52:12 | whardier | damn |
| 23:52:18 | matrix- | heh |
| 23:52:19 | whardier | hold on |
| 23:52:19 | whardier | :) |
| 23:52:51 | matrix- | actaully.. wait.. I'm IRCing using trillian now.. from behind a NAT.. but as long as one of us isn't NATed, it should send, right? |
| 23:53:07 | whardier | Jon@term35.caspiangroup.com [10.10.10.107:1024 |
| 23:53:14 | whardier | I ACTUALLY HAVE A PUBLIC IP BEHIND MY NAT YOU FUCKER |
| 23:53:15 | whardier | hehehe |
| 23:53:24 | whardier | I soo did not mean that |
| 23:53:28 | matrix- | hahaha |
| 23:53:49 | matrix- | it's cuz of trillian |
| 23:53:54 | whardier | haha |
| 23:53:56 | whardier | well email sure will do! |
| 23:54:02 | whardier | you know you love me |
| 23:54:10 | matrix- | dammit, that seems like work to e-mail though.. |
| 23:54:12 | whardier | I am gonna make it so you can throw this up on billboards! |
| 23:54:35 | matrix- | hahaha.. make it the new openzaurus ROM startup screen |
| 23:54:41 | whardier | heh |
| 23:54:46 | whardier | OpenZaurus.. see what your missing. |
| 23:55:12 | matrix- | source code is like boobs... |
| 23:55:29 | matrix- | everyone should be able to see them.. |
| 23:55:31 | NetAmp | symmetric? ;) |
| 23:55:34 | NetAmp | heh |
| 23:55:34 | wharddcc | :) |
| 23:55:41 | NetAmp | lol |
| 23:55:43 | tux_mike | piece of shit! |
| 23:55:56 | ljp_ | boobs? jiggly? |
| 23:56:04 | whardier | heh |
| 23:56:11 | whardier | I could animate it then :) |
| 23:56:23 | whardier | I would have a lot of fun animating a boob logo for the OZ |
| 23:56:32 | kergoth | lol |
| 23:56:43 | whardier | err |
| 23:56:46 | NetAmp | whardier: and a female Pingizauru :P |
| 23:56:46 | whardier | any girls in this channel? |
| 23:56:46 | kergoth | i vote you make pingizauru walk accross the screen and burn something |
| 23:56:48 | tux_mike | stupid laptop. |
| 23:56:57 | whardier | how about CE?! |
| 23:57:00 | kergoth | NetAmp: lol.. i can see some perverse animations there.. |
| 23:57:08 | NetAmp | hahaha ;) |
| 23:57:08 | tux_mike | i am about to throw this thing across the room... my filesystem is corrupted. |
| 23:57:14 | NetAmp | burn CE |
| 23:57:14 | whardier | I wanna make him piss on the dead carcass of bill gates |
| 23:58:01 | whardier | AHH |
| 23:58:05 | whardier | do that again matrix |
| 23:58:21 | whardier | I did not have a /dcc directory |
| 23:58:21 | whardier | haha |
| 23:58:32 | whardier | oh fuck all! |
| 23:58:38 | whardier | I cannot reattach to BitchX to accept it |
| 23:58:38 | matrix- | hahaha |
| 23:58:44 | whardier | DEAR GOD>> IS THIS MY REAL LIFE! |
| 23:58:52 | ][N-Flux | is away: off to buy stuff |
| 23:58:59 | matrix- | it's like the digital equiv of fumbling w/ the bra.. |
| 23:59:42 | wharddcc | TRY THAT AGAIN! |
| 23:59:59 | whardier | haha.. its your side fawker |
