| 00:08:48 | Harlekin | any lineo guy arround? |
| 00:10:09 | kergoth | hmm i should add ipkg/C to the openzaurus buildsystem for the moment |
| 00:42:39 | ][N-Flux | what port(s) does vnc use? |
| 00:48:03 | scanline | is away: lab |
| 00:50:03 | Neo|Work | ok, great porting project - dopewars |
| 00:50:05 | Neo|Work | it's fun!! |
| 00:50:18 | Neo|Work | too bad it uses glib |
| 01:04:37 | ][N-Flux | hrmmmm |
| 01:05:21 | jolin | Question: What is the default password for root when telnetting into the Z? |
| 01:06:41 | ljp_ | default password is -> <- |
| 01:06:47 | ljp_ | no paswword |
| 01:06:48 | jolin | space? |
| 01:06:53 | ][N-Flux | no pass |
| 01:06:58 | ][N-Flux | a space when using ftp |
| 01:07:06 | ljp_ | sometimes a space works.. but there is no password set |
| 01:07:17 | jolin | thanks, I'll give it a try |
| 01:08:29 | jolin | hm..., I telnet in as root, hit return at password prompt and get 'login incorrect' |
| 01:09:55 | ljp_ | try a space |
| 01:10:04 | ljp_ | or set the root password on the Z |
| 01:10:18 | jolin | okay |
| 01:11:37 | ljp_ | I don't use telnet.. btw |
| 01:11:54 | jolin | It doesn't work :-\. What do you use? |
| 01:15:40 | ljp_ | ssh.. it takes a bit to set it up |
| 01:15:57 | jolin | Do you have security concerns? |
| 01:16:07 | ljp_ | oh.. is telnet enabled in /etc/inet.conf? |
| 01:16:30 | jolin | Yes, I uncommented the line. |
| 01:16:57 | jolin | I changed to password for login 'operator', and I can login as operator. But not as root. |
| 01:18:52 | ljp_ | oh.. you have to delete.. hmm.. hang on what is that file..? |
| 01:19:25 | jolin | securetty? |
| 01:19:26 | ljp_ | securetty |
| 01:19:31 | jolin | :-) |
| 01:19:42 | ljp_ | but that means its basically very unsecure |
| 01:20:39 | jolin | What's interesting is that I can login as operator, but I can't then su as root. |
| 01:31:40 | kendrick2 | wahoo! |
| 01:31:48 | kendrick2 | new SD card accepted mke2fs right off :) |
| 01:31:54 | ljp_ | get your sd working? |
| 01:32:19 | CrazyGeek | Ok. Newbie here. What's the difference between the 5000 and 5500? Just memory, or other stuff too? |
| 01:33:13 | fusion94 | yeah ones released, the other isnt |
| 01:33:24 | ljp_ | battery, cradle, and charger are beefed up for 5500. The 5000d is a developer release |
| 01:33:25 | roge99 | memory & better battery/charging system AFAIK |
| 01:33:29 | fusion94 | is away: smoke break |
| 01:33:47 | CrazyGeek | Thanks |
| 01:34:16 | whardier | damn good idea |
| 01:34:26 | kendrick2 | ljp - new SD card |
| 01:34:33 | kendrick2 | *ouch!* $80 bucks |
| 01:34:43 | kendrick2 | wanders off to reinstall 1.10sd ROM |
| 01:54:27 | Neo|Work | dammit gtk sucks. :-P |
| 01:59:59 | ljp_ | yep |
| 02:00:38 | Neo|Work | and dopewars is filled with gtk/glib crap |
| 02:02:21 | ljp_ | hehe good luck |
| 02:03:05 | Neo|Work | even w/ curses it uses glib |
| 02:04:27 | tux_mike | what was glib? |
| 02:16:07 | Neo|Work | the utility library often used with gtj |
| 02:16:10 | Neo|Work | gtk |
| 02:17:30 | Neo|Work | is away: home |
| 02:25:15 | roge99 | sup codemnky |
| 02:28:40 | fusion94 | whereis tgall_bar |
| 02:38:04 | JasonNJ | heya. |
| 02:38:48 | tux_mike | *grumble* stupid cat |
| 02:41:50 | JasonNJ | cats are evil |
| 02:43:06 | fusion94 | yes they are |
| 02:43:09 | fusion94 | but |
| 02:43:15 | fusion94 | if cooked properly they are tasty |
| 02:43:18 | fusion94 | runs |
| 02:43:28 | ljp_ | cats are evil killers! |
| 02:45:32 | JasonNJ | psycho pussies. |
| 02:45:55 | JasonNJ | so it looks like that yates chick is gonna fry |
| 02:46:18 | ][N-Flux | http://www.raylight.it/blueroses.htm <-----on a gameboy advance impressive |
| 02:46:20 | fusion94 | thats good |
| 02:46:56 | JasonNJ | the gba runs on an ARM7 I think |
| 02:47:10 | JasonNJ | in theory it should be easy to port GBA games to the Z |
| 02:47:16 | JasonNJ | depends what language they are in |
| 02:47:24 | ][N-Flux | look at thos demos though |
| 02:55:31 | ljp_ | waiting, waiting, waiting... |
| 02:55:46 | JasonNJ | oh man this star wars trailer rocks |
| 02:57:01 | ljp_ | are you STILL watching that? :) |
| 02:57:09 | JasonNJ | It rules |
| 02:57:16 | ljp_ | hehehe |
| 02:57:26 | JasonNJ | I encoded it to mpeg4 |
| 02:57:34 | JasonNJ | running it on the Z with the plugin |
| 02:57:48 | JasonNJ | I just sent it to Cebit for the guys in the Zaurus booth to demo |
| 02:58:15 | ljp_ | there's an mpeg4 plugin? is that internal? |
| 02:58:22 | JasonNJ | right now it is, yeah. |
| 02:58:27 | JasonNJ | will be a download for everyone soon. |
| 02:58:29 | ljp_ | groovy |
| 02:58:38 | JasonNJ | very, very smooth. |
| 02:59:03 | ljp_ | someone is working on a DivX plugin |
| 02:59:03 | ljp_ | er whatever its called |
| 03:01:49 | kendrick2 | ack! i can't mount my cf card on my desktop!!! |
| 03:01:51 | kendrick2 | mount: No medium found |
| 03:02:06 | kendrick2 | damn - what is with my luck today!? |
| 03:02:53 | kendrick2 | CRAP |
| 03:03:32 | | i heard cf was getting so cheap - I bought 128MB CF at Fry's the other day for $42 each or and to use a cf with familiar you _need_ the pcmcia kernel modul and pcmcia-cs |
| 03:03:32 | kendrick2 | ibot: cf |
| 03:04:39 | codemnky | can't mount it? |
| 03:04:44 | kendrick2 | no... all of a sudden |
| 03:04:45 | codemnky | is it formatted right? |
| 03:04:53 | kendrick2 | i didn't do anything to it! |
| 03:05:00 | kendrick2 | i tried reflashing 1.10sd ROM, but it failed |
| 03:05:17 | kendrick2 | so i just came upstairs to put the 1.11 ROM on the CF to flash IT, but now i can't mount all of a sudden! |
| 03:05:19 | codemnky | hmm |
| 03:05:31 | codemnky | was there important stuff on it? |
| 03:05:41 | kendrick2 | the cf reader's led flashes a number of times, and then finally the terminal says "no medium found" |
| 03:05:44 | codemnky | meaning, reformat |
| 03:05:48 | kendrick2 | codemnky - no... i'd be happy to reformat it |
| 03:05:49 | kendrick2 | how tho? |
| 03:05:57 | codemnky | mkfs |
| 03:06:09 | kendrick2 | what type should i give it? vfat? |
| 03:06:30 | codemnky | i think so, there i'm no expert i only did it once so far :) |
| 03:06:40 | codemnky | but it worked :) |
| 03:06:47 | kendrick2 | mkfs.vfat - not found |
| 03:06:51 | kendrick2 | mkfs.FAT16 - not found |
| 03:06:52 | kendrick2 | sighs |
| 03:06:58 | roge99 | if you want it use it to flash the z it needs to be fat 16 |
| 03:07:06 | kendrick2 | yeah... |
| 03:07:13 | kendrick2 | (it WAS fat16 :^( ) |
| 03:07:21 | roge99 | mkfs.msdos -F 16 /dev{device} |
| 03:07:32 | codemnky | <-- roge99 expert :) |
| 03:07:37 | kendrick2 | i dont have mkfs.msdos |
| 03:07:46 | kendrick2 | something i can apt-get, i presume? |
| 03:08:26 | kendrick2 | WOAH |
| 03:08:31 | kendrick2 | it just worked |
| 03:08:33 | kendrick2 | what the hell! |
| 03:08:41 | roge99 | what card reader do you have |
| 03:08:44 | tux_mike | wonders if he's ever gonna get is refund |
| 03:09:02 | kendrick2 | sandisk imagemate |
| 03:09:04 | kendrick2 | usb |
| 03:09:09 | kendrick2 | has worked perfectly |
| 03:09:26 | roge99 | hmm somtimes mine is a little flakey |
| 03:09:41 | kendrick2 | writing ROMIMAGE to /cf/ ... |
| 03:09:41 | roge99 | i have a differnt one though |
| 03:09:54 | kendrick2 | i've never had it not show up |
| 03:10:05 | kendrick2 | maybe the zaurus had the card 'opened' when i turned it off |
| 03:10:12 | roge99 | naa |
| 03:10:12 | kendrick2 | (was in 'repair fs' mode at the time... argh) |
| 03:10:29 | kendrick2 | now can anyone help me with another problem? |
| 03:10:39 | kendrick2 | i bought a new SD card today (my old one was kaput, it seemed :^( ) |
| 03:10:47 | kendrick2 | i stuck it in, ran 'mount', saw that it was vfat |
| 03:11:03 | kendrick2 | i 'ejected' (unmounted) it, then did "mke2fs /dev/mmcda1", ran 'sync' a few times... |
| 03:11:19 | kendrick2 | popped the card out, stuck it back in, it automounted... i checked "mount" and this time it said "ext2fs" |
| 03:11:21 | kendrick2 | i was quite happy |
| 03:11:39 | kendrick2 | but when i tried to install paul's rom on it, i got the same old error about the sd card not being the write fs type :^( |
| 03:11:45 | roge99 | you need to change the partition type w/ fdisk |
| 03:11:48 | codemnky | if i formatted mine fat16 it would auto reconize |
| 03:11:53 | kendrick2 | i hadn't done it before |
| 03:11:59 | roge99 | you should |
| 03:12:01 | codemnky | and mount it, itself |
| 03:12:12 | kendrick2 | codemnky - ??? |
| 03:12:23 | roge99 | i didnt have good luck with pauls rom |
| 03:12:25 | codemnky | does that make sense |
| 03:12:33 | kendrick2 | not sure how it relates, codemnky |
| 03:12:45 | kendrick2 | roge99 - i've had a few problems, but i was beginning to think it was x11-related |
| 03:12:47 | codemnky | sorry i was on the phone for a bit |
| 03:12:53 | codemnky | i prob missed some stuff ;) |
| 03:12:55 | kendrick2 | ie, i had no problems for, like, a week, until i ran x11 one morning |
| 03:12:59 | kendrick2 | codemnky - no prob :) |
| 03:13:01 | roge99 | codemnky: for pauls rom it need to be ext2 |
| 03:13:09 | kendrick2 | yeah, exactly. |
| 03:13:09 | codemnky | ah |
| 03:13:14 | codemnky | who's paul? |
| 03:13:23 | JasonNJ | flinders |
| 03:13:25 | codemnky | :) |
| 03:13:32 | roge99 | he did the /home --> SD rom |
| 03:13:33 | JasonNJ | the UK mad scientist |
| 03:13:34 | kendrick2 | i wish to hell someone would fix ipkg so i could install packages on SD properly >:^( |
| 03:13:39 | codemnky | i've been using openzaurus |
| 03:13:39 | kendrick2 | jason - hehe |
| 03:13:52 | codemnky | waiting or kergoth to create his masterpeice |
| 03:14:03 | JasonNJ | kergoth is da man. |
| 03:14:04 | kendrick2 | kerg working on oz, right? |
| 03:14:11 | codemnky | yep |
| 03:14:12 | JasonNJ | yup |
| 03:14:17 | kendrick2 | is there going to be an SD-based OZ? |
| 03:14:19 | JasonNJ | along with BZFlag and Whardier |
| 03:14:26 | JasonNJ | yep |
| 03:14:34 | kendrick2 | man, i wish i was leet mad hax0r for the zaurus |
| 03:14:45 | kendrick2 | a year ago, i was going crazy doing apps for the agenda |
| 03:14:45 | JasonNJ | me too |
| 03:14:53 | kendrick2 | these days, i dont have time at work to screw around.. |
| 03:15:02 | kendrick2 | nor can i even really use my zaurus, except as a stand-alone PDA :^( |
| 03:15:13 | roge99 | kendrick2: dl fdisk for the z and change the partition type to linux |
| 03:15:16 | kendrick2 | no way to use a cradle at work, and no extra eth port... |
| 03:15:23 | kendrick2 | roge - i've got fdisk... i'll try it |
| 03:15:23 | roge99 | that should solve the problem |
| 03:15:24 | kendrick2 | bbiab |
| 03:15:32 | tux_mike | hrm... |
| 03:15:33 | JasonNJ | kendrick: get a miniswitch |
| 03:15:43 | kend-fdisk | jason - i'd want that for home ;) |
| 03:15:52 | kend-fdisk | (can't afford wireless, otherwise i'd use THAT :) ) |
| 03:15:54 | kend-fdisk | brb |
| 03:15:57 | JasonNJ | I paid like 80 bux for my miniswitch tht I use in the office |
| 03:16:21 | tux_mike | JasonNJ: ethernet or KVM? |
| 03:16:22 | roge99 | i carry a little netgear one |
| 03:16:26 | JasonNJ | ethernet |
| 03:16:39 | tux_mike | by no means has a -mini-switch |
| 03:16:44 | tux_mike | :) |
| 03:17:00 | tux_mike | cost me less than a miniswitch too :) |
| 03:17:16 | bipolar | is back (gone 05:27:08) |
| 03:23:52 | peanut | uses 80211 |
| 03:24:14 | peanut | why pay 80 for a mini switch, you can get an 80211 ap for 100 bucks |
| 03:25:45 | kend-fdisk | whew |
| 03:26:19 | peanut | has sad news to report.. |
| 03:26:23 | kendrick3 | ok... fdisk done |
| 03:26:26 | peanut | only uses his Z about 2 hours a day now |
| 03:26:27 | kendrick3 | mkfs.ext2 done |
| 03:26:40 | codemnky | brb |
| 03:26:42 | kendrick3 | saw 'lost+found' on /mnt/card and was able to "touch a ; ln -s a b" |
| 03:27:03 | kendrick2 | wow... xchat came up quick |
| 03:28:17 | altered | does anyone here have their Zaurus connected to the internet and wants to try something for me? |
| 03:28:23 | tux_mike | not yet |
| 03:28:33 | tux_mike | unkey sam didn't give me my money |
| 03:28:52 | altered | tux_mike: just means you can spend it on the 5500 instead. |
| 03:28:53 | kendrick2 | maybe soon, altered |
| 03:28:55 | kendrick2 | wish me luck! :) |
| 03:28:56 | peanut | owes 650 |
| 03:29:04 | tux_mike | i only get 250 back |
| 03:29:05 | altered | wishes kendrick luck... luck on what? |
| 03:29:08 | tux_mike | i don't need a 550 |
| 03:29:09 | tux_mike | 5500 |
| 03:29:14 | tux_mike | i need a wlan card. |
| 03:29:28 | tux_mike | and i need to charge my z, i haven't charged it in days |
| 03:29:33 | peanut | 250 == ap + wireless cf |
| 03:29:52 | altered | tux_mike: so you don't have it online from the cradle? |
| 03:29:55 | tux_mike | i have ap |
| 03:29:59 | tux_mike | i just need wlan |
| 03:30:19 | tux_mike | altered: nope, i'm nated already, i couldn't get nat running over nat |
| 03:30:26 | ][N-Flux | hehehe ozbournes is on |
| 03:30:27 | kendrick2 | ok - brb |
| 03:30:39 | kend-flash | is away: flashing ROM - AGAIN |
| 03:30:46 | altered | tux_mike: really? :) I did.. |
| 03:31:16 | altered | just had to make sure I had a different 'local' network. |
| 03:31:41 | tux_mike | altered: i've done nat over nat before, i don't know why it isn't working. besides i hate using the cradle |
| 03:32:48 | altered | tux_mike: I know... I just want someone to confirm that the package installs fine locally (installing the .ipk off of the CF or SD) and *doesn't* work installing it from a network feed. |
| 03:54:04 | bipolar_away | is away: I'm not here... Really.... |
| 04:35:12 | fusion94 | is back (gone 03:01:42) |
| 04:46:12 | fusion94 | is away: dinner |
| 05:25:48 | ][N-Flux | http://www.gunsforkids.com/ |
| 05:28:27 | whardier | w3rd up my chaps! |
| 05:28:42 | ][N-Flux | http://www.gunsforkids.com/ |
| 05:28:50 | ][N-Flux | check that out whardier |
| 05:28:56 | whardier | I am |
| 05:28:59 | whardier | its taking its sweet tiome |
| 05:29:16 | ][N-Flux | read the side posts |
| 05:30:10 | whardier | http://flight553.com/ |
| 05:30:46 | whardier | http://gunsforkids.com/images/pkt-live.jpg |
| 05:30:47 | whardier | holy shit |
| 05:30:49 | whardier | I want one |
| 05:30:50 | whardier | hahaha |
| 05:31:19 | whardier | just when you think its time to scare a cop |
| 05:31:19 | whardier | hahahaha |
| 05:31:31 | whardier | hey bob.. get in the back .. lets give these guys something fun to chase |
| 05:32:18 | NeoTron | is away: I'm busy |
| 05:32:31 | NeoTron | is back (gone 00:00:01) |
| 05:32:46 | NeoTron | hey |
| 05:33:09 | whardier | Item |
| 05:33:09 | whardier | Quantity |
| 05:33:09 | whardier | Price |
| 05:33:09 | whardier | PKT Tank Mount Machine Gun |
| 05:33:09 | whardier | $7500.00 |
| 05:33:09 | whardier | Total: |
| 05:33:11 | whardier | $7500.00 |
| 05:33:14 | whardier | haha |
| 05:33:15 | whardier | soo wrong |
| 05:33:26 | tux_mike | hrm... |
| 05:33:33 | tux_mike | does the kompany have downloads? |
| 05:33:41 | tux_mike | of their sw, or is it shipped |
| 05:33:51 | whardier | I think they pay shipping |
| 05:33:52 | whardier | hahahaha |
| 05:33:52 | ][N-Flux | dl's |
| 05:34:07 | whardier | 03/12/2002 10:27PM |
| 05:34:07 | whardier | God |
| 05:34:08 | whardier | Occupation see name: Yes, even God makes typos, so fuck off.... |
| 05:34:11 | tux_mike | i think i should get tkceditor |
| 05:35:23 | ][N-Flux | that was me :) |
| 05:35:42 | whardier | http://www.gunsforkids.com/verizonltr-reply.txt |
| 05:35:44 | whardier | oh shit |
| 05:35:46 | whardier | thats great |
| 05:37:29 | whardier | http://www.gunsforkids.com/toysrus-reply.txt |
| 05:37:31 | whardier | is also good |
| 05:37:33 | whardier | :) |
| 05:38:25 | ][N-Flux | http://cubemedia.ign.com/media/crap/extraxboxscratch1hi.jpg <---hehe |
| 06:04:06 | kendrick2 | is back (gone 02:33:28) |
| 06:04:34 | kendrick2 | is once again running 1.10sd |
| 06:04:43 | kendrick2 | new konq rules :) |
| 06:04:52 | kendrick2 | well... the zoom feature is really nice :) (it ruled before) |
| 06:09:26 | whardier | :) |
| 06:12:05 | kendrick2 | is starting to write a shell cgi for boa |
| 06:12:13 | kendrick2 | any suggestions as to how to parse QUERY_STRING ? :) |
| 06:12:25 | kendrick2 | guesses sed or awk, but i don't know much about how to use them |
| 06:16:17 | whardier | :) |
| 06:23:50 | Bala | mmmmmmmmmmmmmm sed |
| 06:27:53 | kendrick2 | hey - where's quake for the Z? |
| 06:29:04 | Bala | i wanna run bnetd on the Z :) |
| 06:39:58 | ][N-Flux | quake on Z = no worky |
| 06:43:42 | don-o | the Zaurus is available for preorder from amazon.com for $500! |
| 06:43:56 | don-o | does anyone know of any other place with the sl-5500 for sale? |
| 06:44:43 | kendrick2 | not yet |
| 06:44:47 | kendrick2 | other than, maybe, sharp |
| 06:46:08 | kendrick2 | http://www.sharp-usa.com/images/home_mobl_featured_prod.jpg <-- woah! is that a zaurus? |
| 06:46:14 | kendrick2 | or is she just happy to see me? ;) |
| 06:47:50 | ][N-Flux | shar needs to fix that ie only shit fasyt |
| 06:47:57 | ][N-Flux | sharp even |
| 06:48:01 | ][N-Flux | ie only pages suck |
| 06:48:14 | kendrick2 | which pages, for example? |
| 06:48:20 | kendrick2 | (stuff working fine for me under konqy) |
| 06:48:56 | ][N-Flux | http://www.sharp-usa.com in mozilla |
| 06:49:41 | kendrick2 | avoids moz |
| 06:49:57 | kendrick2 | daily show almost on! |
| 06:49:59 | kendrick2 | runs for a while |
| 06:50:06 | kend2-tv | is away: Daily Show! |
| 06:50:15 | don-o | i agree. that IE only stuff pisses me off! |
| 06:50:19 | don-o | ive emailed them once. |
| 06:50:43 | ][N-Flux | well, with aol hopefully changing to mozilla, that will change |
| 06:50:50 | kend2-tv | :) |
| 06:50:54 | ][N-Flux | ie does not follow the standard |
| 06:51:00 | ][N-Flux | pisses me off |
| 06:51:01 | kend2-tv | tell me about it |
| 06:51:04 | kend2-tv | oh wait - i'm away |
| 06:51:05 | kend2-tv | :) |
| 06:51:16 | ][N-Flux | hehehe |
| 06:53:22 | ][N-Flux | back to bed for me |
| 06:53:30 | ][N-Flux | is away: SLEEP |
| 07:28:45 | kend2-tv | heads to bed |
| 07:39:04 | Njaard | where is the qtopia desktop ? |
| 07:39:06 | Njaard | for linux |
| 07:39:48 | Njaard | [ahem] |
| 07:40:51 | | i don't know, fusion94- |
| 07:40:51 | fusion94- | ibot: whereis qtopis ? |
| 07:40:55 | | i don't know, fusion94- |
| 07:40:55 | fusion94- | ibot: whereis qtopia ? |
| 07:41:01 | fusion94- | bah |
| 07:41:03 | fusion94- | i dunno |
| 07:44:43 | Njaard | notes that zauruszone has the least reliable server, ever |
| 14:58:24 | JHPerlow | morning |
| 14:58:37 | roge99 | morning JHPerlow |
| 14:59:59 | kergoth | morning |
| 15:05:08 | bipolar | is away: I'm not here... Really.... |
| 15:05:21 | bipolar | is back (gone 00:00:02) |
| 15:05:45 | JHPerlow | morning polar |
| 15:05:56 | JHPerlow | bipolar: I forwarded your request to the appropriate parties |
| 15:06:12 | JHPerlow | I should not have a problem getting you one. |
| 15:06:39 | bipolar | JHPerlow: yeah. I got thw cc. thanks. :) |
| 15:07:14 | JHPerlow | bipolar: just remember, I can only do this for -certain- people |
| 15:07:48 | bipolar | JHPerlow: my lips are sealed |
| 15:28:18 | JHPerlow | anyone here live in the SanFrancisco area and not own a Z yet? |
| 15:36:09 | whardier | lo |
| 15:36:50 | kergoth | sup |
| 15:37:11 | tgall_foo | greetings |
| 15:39:52 | whardier | P.O.D is sweet |
| 15:40:32 | kergoth | yep |
| 15:41:32 | whardier | http://segfault.bogomip.com/mp3/P.O.D/ |
| 15:41:41 | Aelfweld | greetings and salutations.com |
| 15:42:05 | Aelfweld | oops little spill over from the browser there |
| 15:42:32 | whardier | ? |
| 15:42:41 | Aelfweld | the .com on the end |
| 15:42:53 | whardier | ? |
| 15:42:57 | Aelfweld | nm |
| 15:43:02 | Aelfweld | my braind is not working |
| 15:43:06 | whardier | no chit |
| 15:43:45 | kergoth | ack |
| 15:43:49 | kergoth | damn usb-storage driver |
| 15:43:52 | kergoth | mount hung |
| 16:12:30 | whardier | WURD! |
| 16:20:51 | Fluxwerk | Yoh! |
| 16:20:56 | Fluxwerk | Damn |
| 16:41:38 | warmi | hi |
| 16:50:50 | Fluxwerk | blah |
| 17:50:08 | kergoth | ack |
| 17:50:09 | kergoth | WTF |
| 17:50:14 | kergoth | mkfs.jffs2 is leaving out files |
| 17:50:18 | kergoth | not including them in the image |
| 17:50:19 | kergoth | wtf |
| 17:59:33 | kergoth | quiet chan today |
| 18:06:39 | Aelfweld | ye[ ghost like |
| 18:08:29 | whardier | kergoth.. including them.. yet not including them? |
| 18:09:16 | kergoth | whardier: for a while, /bin/* werent going into the jffs2 image |
| 18:09:19 | kergoth | whardier: was fucked |
| 18:09:25 | whardier | :( |
| 18:09:27 | kergoth | whardier: it works now though, but i didnt change anything |
| 18:09:30 | kergoth | whardier: hehe |
| 18:09:32 | kergoth | its odd |
| 18:09:34 | kergoth | oh well |
| 18:10:06 | Neo|Work | is back (gone 15:52:36) |
| 18:10:17 | Neo|Work | morning |
| 18:10:55 | kergoth | hey neo |
| 18:10:57 | kergoth | how goes it |
| 18:11:08 | whardier | compiles alsa |
| 18:11:27 | kergoth | i look forward to the new kernels with alsa included |
| 18:11:29 | kergoth | thatll be nifty |
| 18:11:45 | whardier | true that |
| 18:11:49 | whardier | I like full duplex |
| 18:12:04 | whardier | oss is not exactly full duplex friendly |
| 18:12:13 | Neo|Work | just fine thanks |
| 18:12:32 | Fluxwerk | hey Neo|Work |
| 18:12:43 | kergoth | ack |
| 18:12:55 | kergoth | 'INIT: cannot execute "/sbin/getty"' |
| 18:12:56 | kergoth | fun |
| 18:15:16 | kergoth | wtf |
| 18:15:20 | kergoth | cant init follow symlinks? |
| 18:15:29 | whardier | it should.. it does |
| 18:15:39 | kergoth | stupid thing |
| 18:15:50 | kergoth | jffs2reader says /sbin/getty -> ../bin/tinylogin |
| 18:15:54 | kergoth | and /bin/tinylogin exists |
| 18:15:55 | kergoth | so wtf |
| 18:16:28 | kergoth | tinylogin is a valid binary.. wonder if my permissions are off |
| 18:16:50 | kergoth | yep its fine, 755 |
| 18:16:56 | JHPerlow | anyone try to get cups or hylafax working yet on the Z? |
| 18:17:28 | | whardier: huh? |
| 18:17:28 | whardier | ibot: jesus christ you have some big knockers |
| 18:17:33 | whardier | heh |
| 18:17:57 | | OK, whardier. |
| 18:17:57 | whardier | ibot: those are the biggest knockers I have EVER seen! |
| 18:18:18 | | those are the biggest knockers I have EVER seen! |
| 18:18:18 | kergoth | ibot: those? |
| 18:18:23 | whardier | heh |
| 18:18:25 | JHPerlow | wharier take your medication |
| 18:18:42 | whardier | pulls up his medication |
| 18:18:43 | whardier | thehun.net |
| 18:20:01 | kergoth | sysvinit doesnt like me |
| 18:20:08 | JHPerlow | I just bought my neice her first networking book. |
| 18:20:13 | whardier | haha |
| 18:20:15 | whardier | how old is she? |
| 18:20:22 | Fluxwerk | damn pr0n |
| 18:20:33 | JHPerlow | 6 |
| 18:20:41 | whardier | err |
| 18:20:44 | JHPerlow | will be 6 |
| 18:20:44 | whardier | whats the title? |
| 18:20:50 | JHPerlow | The Story of Ping |
| 18:20:53 | whardier | hahahaha |
| 18:20:57 | kergoth | lol |
| 18:20:57 | whardier | thats not a networking book! |
| 18:21:30 | kergoth | damnit init, start getty!@#% |
| 18:21:45 | | busybox is at http://www.busybox.net It compiles with no trouble on a skiff |
| 18:21:45 | kergoth | ibot: busybox? |
| 18:21:47 | JHPerlow | it is TOTALLY a networking book |
| 18:21:47 | | well, init is a function that calls all the other subsystems, net, mm, mtd, fs's, mount rootfs, etc |
| 18:21:47 | kergoth | ibot: init? |
| 18:22:20 | JHPerlow | http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0140502416/qid=1016043857/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_67_1/102-7091459-7583320 |
| 18:22:26 | JHPerlow | read the reviews |
| 18:22:37 | kergoth | i love that first review |
| 18:22:41 | roge99 | http://www.sparklet.com/~royce/trams/KnowJackSchitt.swf |
| 18:22:42 | kergoth | funny shit |
| 18:22:52 | kergoth | roge99: do i want to know what that is? |
| 18:23:00 | roge99 | thats funny Schitt |
| 18:23:55 | JHPerlow | The book describes networking in terms even a child could understand, choosing to anthropomorphize the underlying packet structure. The ping packet is described as a duck, who, with other packets (more ducks), spends a certain period of time on the host machine (the wise-eyed boat). At the same time each day (I suspect this is scheduled under cron), the little packets (ducks) exit the host (boat) by way of a bridge (a bridge). From the bridge, t |
| 18:23:55 | JHPerlow | he packets travel onto the internet (here embodied by the Yangtze River). |
| 18:25:04 | heberto | Hi, does anyone knows what XML parser Z uses |
| 18:25:36 | heberto | XML library? |
| 18:25:45 | kergoth | heberto: it doesnt have a generally useful full fledged parser. Each qtopia app implements their data storage in their own manner. its unfortunate |
| 18:26:00 | JHPerlow | I think the next book I'm going to get her will be the Oreilly Guide to Cisco IOS Fundamentals |
| 18:26:23 | JHPerlow | or, "Packet Filtering with Barney" |
| 18:26:45 | bipolar | JHPerlow: check your /msg tab. :) |
| 18:26:49 | kergoth | damnit damnit damint |
| 18:26:57 | kergoth | init: RUN GETTY FOR ME, BITCH |
| 18:27:14 | heberto | So for example, the address book it uses its own parser ! |
| 18:27:33 | JHPerlow | I think Ping the duck should be the new Opie/OZ mascot |
| 18:27:47 | roge99 | kergoth: what type of prob are you haveing w/ init |
| 18:28:04 | kergoth | roge99: "INIT: cannot execute "/sbin/getty" |
| 18:28:09 | kergoth | roge99: /sbin/getty -> /bin/tinylogin |
| 18:28:28 | roge99 | is it just not doing it or erroring |
| 18:28:32 | whardier | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1711316911 |
| 18:28:46 | kergoth | roge99: -rwxr-xr-x 1 0 0 37820 Mar 13 10:47 root/bin/tinylogin |
| 18:29:02 | roge99 | no no is init just not running it |
| 18:29:08 | kergoth | i just said |
| 18:29:10 | kergoth | its erroring |
| 18:29:14 | kergoth | cannot execute /sbin/getty |
| 18:29:20 | roge99 | ahhh |
| 18:29:31 | kergoth | getty is a symlink to /bin/tinylogin, which has proper permissions |
| 18:29:34 | kergoth | so my confused |
| 18:31:57 | kergoth | er I'M confused. see i cant even type right today |
| 18:31:57 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:32:01 | kergoth | sup mark_ |
| 18:32:05 | mark_ | hi kergoth |
| 18:32:38 | mark_ | any Zs received yet? |
| 18:32:39 | whardier | kergoth symlinks might make more sense if they were ../'ed |
| 18:32:49 | whardier | ../root/bin/tinylogin |
| 18:32:52 | whardier | crap like that |
| 18:33:00 | kergoth | whardier: tried that already. that fails in the same way |
| 18:33:02 | whardier | that way if it is run from/etc |
| 18:33:02 | kergoth | whardier: heh |
| 18:33:03 | whardier | hmm |
| 18:33:08 | whardier | fucked |
| 18:33:19 | JHPerlow | fuckosity. |
| 18:33:21 | whardier | you know what would be REALLY nice? |
| 18:33:27 | whardier | kergoth.. this would be a good idea :) |
| 18:33:29 | kergoth | whardier: yep. i'm going to copy tinylogin to /sbin/getty to get rid of the symlink, and test functionality.. maybe my tinylogin binary is fucked |
| 18:33:30 | whardier | nfsroot |
| 18:33:32 | whardier | for the Z |
| 18:33:33 | kergoth | hah |
| 18:33:37 | whardier | that would really help devel |
| 18:33:46 | kergoth | i still want union mounts |
| 18:33:47 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:33:52 | whardier | true that! |
| 18:33:59 | JHPerlow | an nfs server? |
| 18:34:09 | whardier | nooo |
| 18:34:12 | whardier | that would be silly |
| 18:36:22 | JHPerlow | man amazon is smokin crack if they think I will pay 36 bucks plus shipping for 2 scooby doo dvd's |
| 18:37:17 | bipolar | JHPerlow: lol |
| 18:37:52 | JHPerlow | 26 bucks for 1 Adventures of Elmo in Grouchland |
| 18:38:01 | JHPerlow | 1 stinkin elmo DVD |
| 18:38:03 | JHPerlow | bastards |
| 18:38:08 | Fluxwerk | is away: Off to Sun, broken DLT and robot arm wheeeeee........ |
| 18:38:16 | Fluxwerk | elmo sucks |
| 18:38:22 | Fluxwerk | damn cheesy grover ripoff |
| 18:38:53 | JHPerlow | dude it better hafe directors commentary from Jim Henson himself and fully anamorphic plus DTS sound |
| 18:39:51 | Neo|Work | I was surprised to see that 202 dalmatians had DTS sound |
| 18:40:13 | kergoth | i should add the usb networking scripts to the oz buildsystem |
| 18:40:24 | JHPerlow | I hate buying my neices and nephews presents |
| 18:40:30 | JHPerlow | its agonizing |
| 18:40:38 | JHPerlow | and you know you never get exactly what they want |
| 18:41:22 | JHPerlow | hmm now scooby doo dvds are starting to sound more attractive |
| 18:41:32 | JHPerlow | sesame street is like the mafia |
| 18:41:36 | JHPerlow | them and disney |
| 18:42:28 | kergoth | JHPerlow: id go with a gift cert. but then im lazy :-) |
| 18:42:43 | Neo|Work | check www.dvdexpress.com |
| 18:42:58 | Neo|Work | Elmo for $17 there. :P |
| 18:43:33 | Neo|Work | http://www.dvdpricesearch.com/ r0x0rs too |
| 18:45:02 | JHPerlow | and what the heck is this Bob The Builder thing |
| 18:45:08 | JHPerlow | sounds like a itialian subcontractor |
| 18:45:18 | JHPerlow | like the guy who is redoing my kitchen |
| 18:48:55 | kergoth | wtf is wrong with my tinylogin binary |
| 18:49:09 | JHPerlow | whatcha using tinylogin for |
| 18:49:12 | kergoth | "/sbin/tinylogin: not found" |
| 18:49:21 | kergoth | JHPerlow: for getty and login |
| 18:49:55 | | whardier: i'm not following you... |
| 18:49:55 | whardier | ibot: sing |
| 18:49:57 | whardier | haha |
| 18:51:59 | Neo|Work | It's almost tempting to buy AmigaOS XL |
| 18:52:26 | Neo|Work | JHPerlow: Bob the Builder is apparently popular. :P And Rescue Heroes. heh |
| 18:52:45 | | ack |
| 18:52:45 | kergoth | ibot: syn |
| 18:53:40 | fusion94 | is back (gone 00:00:03) |
| 18:54:42 | gillus | hi all |
| 18:55:03 | gillus | have you receive your zaurus ? |
| 18:55:19 | gillus | those won at the contest |
| 18:55:33 | JHPerlow | I want my friggin Zaurus NOW. |
| 18:55:51 | JHPerlow | or I will kill someone. |
| 18:55:59 | JHPerlow | like, all of you. |
| 18:56:12 | Neo|Work | JHPerlow: whatcha talking about dude? I'm utterly ZAURUS-LESS! |
| 18:56:13 | Neo|Work | heh |
| 18:56:29 | fusion94 | Neo|Work: same here |
| 18:56:37 | JHPerlow | waves hand like Obi Wan Kenobi |
| 18:56:55 | JHPerlow | you WILL buy a Zaurus. |
| 18:57:08 | fusion94 | sure I will |
| 18:57:24 | Neo|Work | Nah, I'll hopefully get one in the mail before long. :p |
| 18:57:27 | gillus | JHPerlow: no chance, my pockets are really empty :( |
| 18:57:39 | Neo|Work | mumbles something about TT and lack of speed. |
| 18:57:54 | Neo|Work | They will have to postpone the final date again if they don't hurry. hehe |
| 18:58:00 | JHPerlow | yes, Trolltech is known for its amazing efficiency |
| 18:58:21 | gillus | who beg is future Zaurus that the next deadline will be in June ? |
| 18:59:10 | Neo|Work | I figured they would send them out the day they verified addresses, or AT LEAST the day after |
| 18:59:37 | Neo|Work | and shipping shouldn't take more than 2, 3 days tops from CA to WA |
| 18:59:44 | gillus | anyway I hope it will be posponed cause I really don't have time to work o my app for now. |
| 19:01:03 | Neo|Work | I hope it won't be. Been postponed way to much already (not that I complain about the first date change, since it's the only reason I could be a part of it :) |
| 19:02:21 | gillus | I would really have prefered the first date not to be postponed. |
| 19:02:33 | gillus | At that time I had free time slot |
| 19:02:42 | Neo|Work | I started developing one week before the postponed deadline |
| 19:02:44 | gillus | and much less competitors |
| 19:03:12 | Neo|Work | bah, it could be worse with competitors |
| 19:03:18 | gillus | I've started 6 months ago :) |
| 19:04:13 | JHPerlow | so tonight we find out if Kenny really is dead. |
| 19:05:55 | kergoth | whardier: tinylogin was broken |
| 19:05:56 | Neo|Work | heh |
| 19:06:04 | Neo|Work | exciting |
| 19:06:06 | fusion94 | anyone watch "The Shield" last night ? |
| 19:08:59 | ljp_akk | waiting, waiting, still waiting.... |
| 19:09:39 | kergoth | brb, food |
| 19:11:56 | Neo|Work | The shield? wassthat? |
| 19:12:37 | fusion94 | soe cop show on FX |
| 19:12:41 | fusion94 | some even |
| 19:12:55 | fusion94 | the pilot episode was last night |
| 19:15:16 | Neo|Work | ah, well, didn't see it obviously. :P |
| 19:15:57 | JHPerlow | too many TV shows |
| 19:16:07 | JHPerlow | Alias is cool but its turning into the X Files |
| 19:16:34 | JHPerlow | I like jennifer garner, she's cute and kicks ass |
| 19:17:25 | Neo|Work | it is turning into something weirder indeed |
| 19:19:46 | Neo|Work | damn, the Cray J90 is still not up for multi user usage yet. :P |
| 19:21:07 | fusion94 | heh |
| 19:21:07 | JHPerlow | I was thinking about making the next Zaurus model the SD-6 |
| 19:21:34 | fusion94 | i only really watch, law & order, sopranos, QAF, and national geographic channel |
| 19:21:49 | Neo|Work | JHPerlow: hehe. :) |
| 19:22:52 | JHPerlow | sopranos not back until september |
| 19:22:54 | JHPerlow | man that blows |
| 19:23:17 | fusion94 | hey you live in that world for real |
| 19:23:20 | JHPerlow | man thats like a 2 year hiatus |
| 19:23:32 | fusion94 | this is the last season as well |
| 19:24:11 | JHPerlow | nah i think there will be a 4th |
| 19:24:31 | JHPerlow | actually my house is like 10 mins from the Bada Bing club |
| 19:24:40 | fusion94 | this is the 4th season |
| 19:24:42 | JHPerlow | they actually film all over NJ |
| 19:24:44 | fusion94 | coming up |
| 19:24:45 | JHPerlow | oh it is? |
| 19:24:50 | JHPerlow | ok right |
| 19:24:52 | fusion94 | ya goob |
| 19:24:55 | fusion94 | heh |
| 19:24:57 | fusion94 | yeah |
| 19:25:06 | fusion94 | and the creator said only 4 seasons |
| 19:25:11 | fusion94 | thats what sucks |
| 19:26:09 | JHPerlow | Bada Bing is actually called Satin Dolls |
| 19:26:19 | JHPerlow | I had my bachelors party there |
| 19:26:26 | JHPerlow | it really looks like that on the inside |
| 19:26:36 | fusion94 | heh |
| 19:26:41 | fusion94 | how long you been married ? |
| 19:26:51 | JHPerlow | since oct of 95 |
| 19:27:07 | fusion94 | is away: store run brb |
| 19:27:14 | fusion94 | cool cool...no kids ? |
| 19:27:20 | JHPerlow | no just poodles |
| 19:27:25 | Neo|Work | man, I'm hungry and it's only 11:30 |
| 19:27:25 | JHPerlow | 2 poodles |
| 19:27:26 | Neo|Work | gah |
| 19:27:31 | JHPerlow | minis |
| 19:27:32 | fusion94 | poodles ?? |
| 19:27:35 | fusion94 | heh |
| 19:27:46 | Neo|Work | Now imagine Jason with his Zaurus and two poodles. :P |
| 19:28:17 | JHPerlow | I got one white one and one black one |
| 19:28:26 | JHPerlow | each about 20lbs apecice |
| 19:28:43 | JHPerlow | they are very smart |
| 19:28:49 | JHPerlow | can do all kinds of tricks |
| 19:29:00 | JHPerlow | jump thru hula hoops |
| 19:29:08 | JHPerlow | catch frisbees |
| 19:29:53 | Neo|Work | heh |
| 19:36:04 | BigBoss | anyone ever look at Microwindows before? |
| 19:36:13 | BigBoss | check these out from Sharp (nothing to do with Microwindows) |
| 19:36:14 | BigBoss | http://www.jp.sonystyle.com/peg/Store/Clie/index.html |
| 19:36:23 | ljp_akk | no, but I've used a micro-wave before |
| 19:36:47 | BigBoss | I was just reading about the Royal PDA that uses Linux and Microwindows - which in the press release they tought as a de-facto standard for linux PDA's (silly statement) |
| 19:37:21 | warmi | Royal PDA ?? who makes it ? |
| 19:37:26 | ljp_akk | ya rather silly |
| 19:37:39 | BigBoss | PIXIL is supposed to be the PDA version of Microwindows |
| 19:37:43 | BigBoss | here is the PR statement |
| 19:37:45 | BigBoss | The rapid adoption of PIXIL into the open source community enables tens of thousands of Linux developers to innovate technologies and applications for handheld devices freely and openly. |
| 19:37:56 | kergoth`lunch | hah |
| 19:38:03 | kergoth | sup BigBoss |
| 19:38:15 | warmi | rapid adoption ... either we are out of step with everybody or these guys are |
| 19:38:58 | kergoth | warmi: i wonder which ;-) |
| 19:39:42 | BigBoss | hey kergoth |
| 19:40:04 | BigBoss | I heard about the Royal announcement at CES, but I haven't heard a peep anywhere since |
| 19:40:31 | BigBoss | now this thing is interesting |
| 19:40:32 | BigBoss | http://www.tiqit.com/TiqitBrochure.pdf |
| 19:41:00 | ljp_akk | damn.. how long does it take to get a small package shipped? |
| 19:41:18 | Neo|Work | ljp_akk: depends. :-) |
| 19:41:23 | Neo|Work | on shipping method that is |
| 19:41:47 | BigBoss | I've had stuff take 2 weeks to go to New Jersey from California (right Jason? :) ) |
| 19:41:52 | ljp_akk | must be using SB shipping |
| 19:42:00 | BigBoss | maybe they are shipping from Japan - could take a month |
| 19:42:06 | kendrick2 | greetinx |
| 19:42:15 | kendrick2 | has ressurected his zaurus and all his data |
| 19:42:23 | kendrick2 | used tar and mv this time... not Backup/Restore app. |
| 19:42:39 | ljp_akk | ya surface from Japan |
| 19:42:43 | kergoth | kendrick2: what happened with your sd card? toast? |
| 19:42:43 | warmi | I already got me zaurus |
| 19:43:03 | kendrick2 | yep |
| 19:43:34 | kergoth | kendrick2: ah, that blows |
| 19:43:59 | kendrick2 | well, got a new one... installed 1.10sd rom back on it... |
| 19:44:04 | kendrick2 | did NOT install X on it ;) |
| 19:44:14 | kendrick2 | anyone use qpe-dialog? |
| 19:44:22 | kendrick2 | i forget the name of the bin it installs :) |
| 19:44:26 | kendrick2 | (i suppose i could look) |
| 19:44:42 | kergoth | qpe-dialog? is that that util to spawn a dialog from a shell? |
| 19:44:45 | BigBoss | warmi: where are you located? |
| 19:44:58 | kergoth | mmm kfc |
| 19:45:03 | kendrick2 | kerg - yeah.. semes useful :) |
| 19:45:13 | kergoth | kendrick2: i agree, i think its very useful |
| 19:45:31 | BigBoss | so nobody here has heard of Microwindows then? |
| 19:45:34 | kendrick2 | runs tar |
| 19:45:36 | kergoth | BigBoss: nope |
| 19:46:00 | warmi | BigBoss: :-) I was kidding ... I am still anxiously awaiting my prize like everyone here |
| 19:46:18 | BigBoss | bastard :) |
| 19:46:20 | warmi | ;-) |
| 19:46:20 | BigBoss | http://embedded.censoft.com/ |
| 19:47:01 | warmi | If I don't get it this week ( I am in US ) then I will start worying |
| 19:47:14 | kendrick2 | bigboss - got one? :) |
| 19:48:22 | kergoth | whardier: got tinylogin functional again in the OZ buildsystem. it boots up again, and uses sysvinit + getty instead of busybox sh |
| 19:48:35 | NetAmp_at_home | yippeeeee I'm gonna get @Home |
| 19:48:56 | kendrick2 | DAMNIT |
| 19:48:58 | NetAmp | login? cool :D |
| 19:49:08 | kendrick2 | qpe-dialog was ipk'd so that data.tar.gz contains "./qpe-dialog" |
| 19:49:12 | kendrick2 | which means it tries to install it in / |
| 19:49:15 | kendrick2 | which means it didnt install |
| 19:49:21 | kergoth | eh |
| 19:49:22 | kergoth | fix the ipk |
| 19:49:23 | kendrick2 | too bad ipkg didnt say anything >:^( |
| 19:49:23 | kergoth | :-) |
| 19:49:29 | kergoth | yeah |
| 19:49:29 | kendrick2 | installs by hand |
| 19:49:39 | kergoth | im looking forward to ipkg/C (ipkg-unstable) being finalized |
| 19:49:39 | kendrick2 | actually.. screw that |
| 19:49:48 | kendrick2 | i'll just uninstall and complain on the lists ;) |
| 19:49:51 | kergoth | hah |
| 19:49:52 | kergoth | slacker |
| 19:49:54 | kergoth | :-) |
| 19:50:07 | kendrick2 | well, what am i gonna do, try to rebuild the ipkg ON my Z? |
| 19:50:17 | warmi | BigBoss: are you guys working on any new apps for Qtopia ? |
| 19:50:19 | kendrick2 | then what? wont be able to do anything with it for hours, til i get home from work :) |
| 19:50:25 | kendrick2 | tkcmediaplayer! |
| 19:50:28 | kergoth | kendrick2: hehe. point taken |
| 19:50:49 | kergoth | bipolar: how bugridden is ipkg/C atm? |
| 19:51:27 | bipolar | kergoth: not very |
| 19:51:36 | bipolar | kergoth: I hear it works pretty well. |
| 19:51:39 | kergoth | bipolar: good good |
| 19:51:48 | kergoth | bipolar: cant wait till ipkg-unstable -> ipkg |
| 19:51:50 | kergoth | ehh |
| 19:52:01 | bipolar | kergoth: next release will be. |
| 19:52:17 | kergoth | bipolar: nice |
| 19:53:41 | Neo|Work | warmi: you got your beta contest Z? |
| 19:53:46 | Neo|Work | ah, no |
| 19:53:47 | Neo|Work | doh. |
| 19:53:51 | Neo|Work | continues reading |
| 19:54:00 | warmi | heh ... I was just kidding :-) |
| 19:54:14 | kergoth | oops, i forgot to put modutils in OZ |
| 19:54:16 | kergoth | doh |
| 19:54:16 | kendrick2 | <warmi> BigBoss: are you guys working on any new apps for Qtopia ? |
| 19:54:29 | warmi | he is gone again hehe |
| 19:54:56 | BigBoss | argh |
| 19:54:57 | kendrick2 | oh shit :) |
| 19:54:57 | kendrick2 | hehe |
| 19:55:00 | kendrick2 | <warmi> BigBoss: are you guys working on any new apps for Qtopia ? |
| 19:55:10 | warmi | that was a third and final time |
| 19:55:13 | BigBoss | so is everyone up to date on Microwindows now? |
| 19:55:13 | warmi | :-) |
| 19:55:26 | BigBoss | yes we are, I just got a prototype this morning of tkcGallery |
| 19:55:45 | warmi | I really like The Kompany style .. |
| 19:55:49 | BigBoss | we've held off on release tkcFTP until we replace the Qt FTP code, which I think is being finished today |
| 19:55:54 | kendrick2 | i wish tkc stuff didnt go in its own folder >:^( |
| 19:56:06 | BigBoss | glad to hear it - which style? code or company? :) |
| 19:56:10 | warmi | I mean esthetical style of your apps |
| 19:56:20 | BigBoss | that's what I love best about our apps - their own folder :) |
| 19:56:22 | warmi | they look very professional |
| 19:56:25 | kergoth | BigBoss: i think he means the qt style you're using.. the xp-like style |
| 19:56:28 | kendrick2 | grrr |
| 19:56:35 | BigBoss | thanks - that is something we try for. |
| 19:56:37 | kendrick2 | shudders |
| 19:56:39 | warmi | no, I mean overall look and feel :-) |
| 19:56:48 | kergoth | kendrick2: unpack the ipks and create them so they go in Applications |
| 19:56:51 | kergoth | kendrick2: :-) |
| 19:57:10 | kergoth | warmi: hah. too many possible interpretations of 'style' :-) |
| 19:57:20 | kendrick2 | ;) |
| 19:57:30 | kendrick2 | i've considered moving tkcmahjongg into games |
| 19:57:32 | kendrick2 | WHERE IT BELONGS |
| 19:57:45 | warmi | yeah, I know ... it was supposed to be one sentence but then I had to make sure I spelled "esthetical" correctly .... English is not my first language :-) |
| 19:57:45 | kendrick2 | i actually think the whole apps tabs situation right now is udder crap |
| 19:57:51 | kendrick2 | YOU HEAR ME, TROLLTECH!? CRAAAP! |
| 19:58:17 | BigBoss | anyone want to see a proposed UI for Qtopia that we showed to TT over a year ago? |
| 19:58:25 | warmi | sure |
| 19:58:26 | kendrick2 | no |
| 19:58:31 | kendrick2 | oh sorry :) |
| 19:58:34 | kendrick2 | i didnt see the "want to" :) |
| 19:58:35 | kendrick2 | yes! |
| 19:59:34 | BigBoss | can you take an irc file transfer? |
| 19:59:43 | Neo|Work | eats a mini-bagel |
| 19:59:46 | warmi | sadly, I can't |
| 19:59:47 | Neo|Work | too bad I don't have any cream cheese |
| 19:59:57 | Neo|Work | BigBoss: yeah |
| 20:00:20 | warmi | I am using CGI-irc running on my home server to avoid company firewall |
| 20:00:23 | BigBoss | ok, let me remember how to do this :) |
| 20:01:03 | kendrick2 | /dcc send nick file |
| 20:01:09 | warmi | hehe |
| 20:01:18 | kendrick2 | or, you know, just email the damned things, or put them on a webpage ;) |
| 20:01:30 | warmi | yeah, so we all can enjoy it |
| 20:01:32 | NetAmp | style, stylus, stylish |
| 20:01:43 | kendrick2 | netamp? |
| 20:01:52 | NetAmp | kendrick2: yep? |
| 20:02:01 | kendrick2 | sl-5500 is only $450 |
| 20:02:05 | kendrick2 | net - is that a quote? if so, from what? |
| 20:02:12 | NetAmp | kendrick2: wow where? |
| 20:02:25 | kendrick2 | oh - no... it's $499 |
| 20:02:36 | NetAmp | kendrick2: and not a quote as far as I know ;) I just made it up 14(yah indeed, I'm crazy :D) |
| 20:02:40 | kendrick2 | so $100 more than SL-5000D (vs. 150 more, as we had been told previously) |
| 20:03:15 | BigBoss | they are taking orders at amazon now |
| 20:03:18 | NetAmp | kendrick2: well thanks, good news! But still I'll wait a while... |
| 20:03:37 | kendrick2 | file no dl'ing, bboss |
| 20:03:49 | BigBoss | well it's trying to send :( |
| 20:04:07 | BigBoss | i'll try one more time then try neo |
| 20:04:39 | Neo|Work | waiting on connect. firewall issue? |
| 20:05:00 | NetAmp | 's calculator says: it's still about 1,256 DFL :( |
| 20:05:02 | NetAmp | *boohoo* |
| 20:05:11 | NetAmp | oh well... patience is the key, hehe |
| 20:05:24 | BigBoss | this usually works |
| 20:05:30 | BigBoss | oh well - I tried |
| 20:05:40 | BigBoss | tell me your two email addresses and I'll fire it over and you can comment |
| 20:05:45 | kendrick2 | *** A previous DCC GET:draft4.jpg to bigboss exists |
| 20:05:47 | kendrick2 | nbs@sonic.net |
| 20:06:21 | NetAmp | kendrick2: but release isn't until March 22nd, right? So it's pre-order |
| 20:06:47 | kendrick2 | yes |
| 20:06:48 | warmi | send to wrawdanik@tribune.com too if you can |
| 20:06:52 | kergoth | BigBoss: id like to take a look at that proposed ui as well, if you dont mind. |
| 20:06:54 | kendrick2 | they have an actual date now? cool :) |
| 20:07:15 | BigBoss | ok, I'll send it out to you four, give me the email addresses |
| 20:07:30 | | Go away or I'll replace you with a very small shell script. |
| 20:07:30 | kergoth | ibot: kergoth? |
| 20:07:33 | kendrick2 | "Matsushita has announced that they are developing a Secure Digital GPS Module" -- http://www.palmblvd.com/articles/2002/3/2002-3-12-SD-GPS-Module.html |
| 20:07:35 | kergoth | lol |
| 20:07:35 | NetAmp | wahaha |
| 20:07:40 | kergoth | BigBoss: kergoth@digitalnemesis.net |
| 20:07:52 | NetAmp | #!/usr/bin/perl |
| 20:07:54 | Neo|Work | BigBoss: david@hedbor.org or so |
| 20:08:13 | | NetAmp: I forgot netamp |
| 20:08:13 | NetAmp | ibot forget netamp |
| 20:08:24 | BigBoss | kendrick? you want to see it? |
| 20:08:29 | kendrick2 | yes! |
| 20:08:32 | BigBoss | email |
| 20:08:40 | BigBoss | if only they had built ssl into the unit |
| 20:08:45 | kendrick2 | sheesh! look up! |
| 20:08:46 | kendrick2 | nbs@sonic.net |
| 20:09:02 | kendrick2 | starves |
| 20:09:05 | kendrick2 | sees about lunch... |
| 20:09:16 | BigBoss | sorry, I missed it |
| 20:09:48 | BigBoss | we had several proposals, this was the most refined of the lot |
| 20:09:58 | BigBoss | anyway, the mail is sent - I'm interested in your gut reactions |
| 20:10:13 | kendrick2 | thx bboss |
| 20:10:14 | NetAmp | Sharp-usa is now taunting people with another toy, an Aquos TV |
| 20:10:17 | warmi | just to motivate you kedrick .. just got back from hamas-kitchean great mom and pop indian style restauran |
| 20:10:25 | whardier | oooh ah ah ah ah |
| 20:10:29 | kendrick2 | mmm.. indian |
| 20:10:42 | warmi | yeah, hot like hell but very tasty |
| 20:11:11 | kendrick2 | bboss - interesting |
| 20:11:21 | kendrick2 | nice icons |
| 20:11:32 | kendrick2 | (just kde ones, huh?) |
| 20:11:59 | kergoth | BigBoss: I like the clock and battery meter in the titlebar. nifty. are the datebook and clock items on the left side of the screen currently running apps, or a quicklaunch? |
| 20:12:00 | kendrick2 | i think i prefer Launcher III on PalmOS |
| 20:12:13 | kendrick2 | bboss - have one of your tkc'ies clone it for z :) |
| 20:12:19 | BigBoss | it's a lanucher type thing |
| 20:12:41 | Neo|Work | looks nice |
| 20:12:44 | BigBoss | might be interesting, but I need money in it :) |
| 20:12:50 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:12:54 | kendrick2 | dude... i'd buy it |
| 20:12:56 | BigBoss | I like this look better than what they ended up doing |
| 20:13:09 | kendrick2 | mm... this is niftier looking, but simplicity is what one really needs |
| 20:13:27 | kendrick2 | the current one is ok in that sense, but it doesnt have any real capability |
| 20:13:37 | BigBoss | like I said, this was a proposal, we didn't go down the road too far, it would need refinement obviously |
| 20:13:46 | warmi | yeah, it look better but is nothing like PocketPc style launcher , which is what Trolls went with |
| 20:13:48 | kergoth | BigBoss: the launcher in your UI looks far more capable than the one in qtopia now. I do like the feel of it. |
| 20:14:00 | kendrick2 | is ppc launcher even good??? |
| 20:14:11 | warmi | it is like Windows :-) |
| 20:14:15 | kendrick2 | ugh |
| 20:14:17 | bipolar | new launcher? Whats it look like? |
| 20:14:28 | kendrick2 | seriously... if you've not seen Launcher III on a Palm, check it out |
| 20:14:33 | kendrick2 | you can drag-n-drop icons between the taps |
| 20:14:40 | kendrick2 | and to a little tool icon which lets you delete/beam/etc. |
| 20:14:44 | BigBoss | I haven't seen it |
| 20:14:47 | Neo|Work | the ability to customize tabs is nice |
| 20:14:50 | BigBoss | that sounds pretty cool |
| 20:14:52 | kendrick2 | yeah |
| 20:14:57 | NetAmp | kendrick2: I hope they'll do that in Qtopia too, the icon dragging and stuff |
| 20:15:05 | BigBoss | Qtopia is like a cross between WinCE and older Palm |
| 20:15:36 | bipolar | we can implement something like that in Opie. |
| 20:15:44 | kendrick2 | asks girlfriend to grab his palmpilot so i can list off what categories i had... |
| 20:15:46 | bipolar | It's on the list in my head |
| 20:16:28 | kendrick2 | http://www.benc.hr/lnchiii.htm <-- woah.. color (and ugly at that) |
| 20:16:40 | kergoth | bipolar: yep. there are a number of cool launcher enhancements we could pursue |
| 20:16:58 | kendrick2 | on my palm, i had....... |
| 20:17:04 | NetAmp | If you do that, the first thing I'll do is install Opie on my 5500 ;) heh |
| 20:17:19 | kendrick2 | Network, Games, Apps, Utils, Home |
| 20:17:29 | kendrick2 | Network was for ssh client I never used, Email client i never used, and iSilo |
| 20:17:32 | kendrick2 | games for games, obviously... |
| 20:17:36 | NetAmp | 'cause I don't really like being stuck with pre-defined categories :S |
| 20:17:44 | kendrick2 | apps for things like drawing, text editor, etc. |
| 20:17:51 | BigBoss | oh my god that launcher is ugly |
| 20:17:54 | kendrick2 | utils for system config stuff, prefs, calculator, etc. |
| 20:18:04 | warmi | yeah, it is rather scary :-) |
| 20:18:08 | kendrick2 | and home for general PIM stuff (shopping list, todo list, calendar, addressbook, etc.) |
| 20:18:14 | kendrick2 | lemme find a less NEON looking sshot of launcher 3 |
| 20:18:20 | BigBoss | being able to drag and drop apps between tabs and to a beamer are very cool |
| 20:18:22 | NetAmp | todo list rocks ;) |
| 20:18:47 | bipolar | Thats another thing. What is the beamer? |
| 20:18:57 | kendrick2 | http://www.pdamd.com/vertical/imgs/products/launcher.gif |
| 20:19:06 | Neo|Work | http://www.megasoft2000.com/palm_division/megalauncher_eng.htm is anohter laucnher |
| 20:19:08 | BigBoss | they have 'add to cart' but no price listed that I can find |
| 20:19:12 | kendrick2 | http://www.palmagora.com/img/img_share_desc_sh_picture_shareid_78.GIF (animated) |
| 20:19:32 | BigBoss | well they charge $9.95 for the launcher - maybe there is money in it :) |
| 20:19:39 | kendrick2 | shit! hey... i just recently learned about a collection of emu'd or cloned, officially licensed WIlliams games for PalmOS |
| 20:20:03 | kendrick2 | http://muchy.com/review/shot/launcheriii_j2.gif (dragging) |
| 20:20:19 | kendrick2 | (just do an images.google.com search for the string "launcher iii") |
| 20:20:26 | BigBoss | mega launcher looks much less cartoony |
| 20:20:41 | kendrick2 | bigboss - look at some of the toher shots i posted |
| 20:20:49 | NetAmp | 14but what does the beamer do? |
| 20:20:53 | BigBoss | I'm checking them all |
| 20:20:53 | kendrick2 | http://www.enlight.ru/pilot/s_launcheriii.gif <-- like this |
| 20:20:57 | BigBoss | beams applications |
| 20:21:10 | NetAmp | BB: hahaha |
| 20:21:15 | NetAmp | heh |
| 20:21:22 | NetAmp | Hackmaster... sweet |
| 20:21:24 | BigBoss | the idea is good (launcher iii) it's just ugly |
| 20:21:34 | NetAmp | let's make a hackmaster for Z's |
| 20:21:38 | BigBoss | does Qtopia even support the concept? |
| 20:21:39 | kendrick2 | well, i didnt say that the current launcher in qtopia would need to LOOK different |
| 20:21:43 | kendrick2 | it would just need to ACT different |
| 20:21:50 | kendrick2 | concept of what? |
| 20:21:54 | kendrick2 | beaming apps? hell no >:^( |
| 20:22:02 | kendrick2 | one of the suckier things about qtopia |
| 20:22:07 | kendrick2 | agenda didn't, either |
| 20:22:23 | kendrick2 | on a palm, when an app is installed, you can just beam it to someone |
| 20:22:36 | kendrick2 | on the zaurus, you'd need to somehow regenerate an ipk out of what's been untar'd :^/ |
| 20:23:00 | NetAmp | owww duh, that kind of beaming |
| 20:23:02 | kendrick2 | this is one of the ways i think old palmos is WAY better (more useful, and simpler to use; end-user p.o.v.) than linux |
| 20:23:06 | kendrick2 | and i'm guessing wince has the same prob linux does |
| 20:23:07 | Neo|Work | BigBoss: the default PalmOS launcher isn't that great. :P |
| 20:23:08 | NetAmp | needs some more caffein |
| 20:23:19 | kendrick2 | default palmos launcher kinda sucks :) |
| 20:23:39 | kendrick2 | ok - i'd love to stay and chat, but i'm starting to digest myself |
| 20:23:54 | kend2-food | is away: lunchtime! |
| 20:24:02 | NetAmp | kend2-food: have a nice lunch :) |
| 20:24:07 | kergoth | kendrick2: you could always cache installed ipks.. but thatd use up a fair amount of space. I was going to write a util to generate an ipk from an installed package...hmmm |
| 20:24:54 | kend2-food | kerg - yeah.. i can just keep crap on my cf card all the time |
| 20:24:55 | kend2-food | *feh* |
| 20:25:14 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:25:18 | kend2-food | ok - bye! |
| 20:25:27 | kergoth | later |
| 20:25:31 | kend2-food | bbiab |
| 20:26:26 | kergoth | what a strange error |
| 20:26:40 | kergoth | "Argh. Special inode #603 had more than one node" |
| 20:26:49 | kergoth | a kernel message |
| 20:30:45 | James | hello |
| 20:31:16 | James | Is anyone doing any development with ncurses? |
| 20:31:27 | BigBoss | on the Zaurus? |
| 20:31:38 | Verxion | hello everyone |
| 20:32:01 | James | well, cross-compile using linux 7.2 |
| 20:32:04 | Verxion | anyone here ever use the zauruszone website? |
| 20:32:37 | BigBoss | sure |
| 20:32:42 | BigBoss | zauruszone that is |
| 20:33:06 | Verxion | I am trying to download a binary that is on the website |
| 20:33:11 | Verxion | it fails every time |
| 20:33:16 | Verxion | anyone know how to get to them? |
| 20:34:53 | kergoth | Verxion: define 'fails' |
| 20:35:02 | Verxion | how about: |
| 20:35:12 | Verxion | Internal Server Error |
| 20:35:18 | kergoth | oh |
| 20:35:20 | kergoth | ugly |
| 20:35:26 | James | I know of a way around this |
| 20:35:27 | Verxion | The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request. |
| 20:35:29 | kergoth | brb |
| 20:35:32 | Verxion | please tell James |
| 20:36:16 | James | if the file is http://"somenumber"/files/file.zip replace "somenumber" with "www.zauruszone.com" |
| 20:36:51 | Verxion | the url is: |
| 20:37:01 | Neo|Work | gah! "Linux 7.2"! the latest Linux is the 2.5 series. |
| 20:37:25 | Verxion | http://www.zauruszone.com/cgi-bin/iB_html/uploads/post-13-91547-qtreader1c.zip |
| 20:37:57 | Verxion | so I don't think it quite fits the filename format you are referring to James |
| 20:37:58 | Verxion | but thanks |
| 20:38:08 | James | Neo, I want somthing that is STABLE to work with ;-P |
| 20:38:46 | fusion94 | heh |
| 20:38:49 | fusion94 | run windows then |
| 20:38:52 | fusion94 | runs |
| 20:39:33 | kergoth | James: I think he was referring to the fact that 'RedHat' is a distribution which includes linux 2.4. it isnt 'Linux 7.2' |
| 20:39:42 | Verxion | anyone seen jhperlow lately? |
| 20:39:54 | James | I know ;-) |
| 20:40:11 | | JHPerlow was last seen on #zaurus 1 hours, 11 minutes and 3 seconds ago, saying: catch frisbees [Wed Mar 13 19:29:08 2002] |
| 20:40:11 | fusion94 | ibot: seen JHPerlow |
| 20:40:22 | Verxion | heh |
| 20:40:25 | Verxion | frisbees eh? |
| 20:40:32 | warmi | heh |
| 20:40:47 | Verxion | would do nearly anything for this frigging file |
| 20:40:48 | Verxion | :( |
| 20:40:55 | James | back to my question, I am trying to compile an app that uses ncurses, the zaurus has the lib's but I can't compile ie. link |
| 20:41:02 | Neo|Work | Verxion: his poodles can catch tem |
| 20:41:25 | Verxion | neo: hehehe |
| 20:41:42 | James | the sdk is missing libcurses.a in the tools/lib directory |
| 20:42:11 | kergoth | James: so go crosscompile ncurses |
| 20:42:30 | warmi | what is that Verxion ? |
| 20:42:44 | Verxion | it is a palm ebook reader |
| 20:42:48 | James | AHH are you kidding, I spen 4 hours last night trying to do just that. I coun't get past the .configure stage ;-( |
| 20:42:56 | Verxion | the only big thing I am missing after switching from using pocketpc 20002 |
| 20:42:58 | Verxion | er, 2002 |
| 20:44:07 | James | on the zaurus in /lib there is libncurses.so so someone has allready crosscompiled ncurses |
| 20:44:18 | kergoth | James: I have the configure commands you need to crosscompile ncurses btw. |
| 20:44:28 | kergoth | James: assuming a sane build environment anyway |
| 20:44:45 | James | <james bowing and yelling> I AM NOT WORTHY |
| 20:45:22 | JHPerlow | sup? |
| 20:45:31 | Verxion | THE MAN! |
| 20:45:35 | Verxion | holy criminy |
| 20:45:47 | Verxion | JHPerlow, it looks like your website used to be awesome |
| 20:45:48 | Verxion | :) |
| 20:45:57 | JHPerlow | Verxion: its a bit fubar right nopw |
| 20:46:05 | Verxion | I heard you have been trying to move it, and I have been experiencing the problems as a result |
| 20:46:17 | kergoth | James: ./configure --without-debug --with-shared --build x86-linux-gnu --host arm-linux-gnu --without-progs; |
| 20:46:19 | JHPerlow | hope to have it resolved soon |
| 20:46:26 | Verxion | in your qtopia applications area |
| 20:46:27 | JHPerlow | metro link is having issues with that server |
| 20:46:34 | JHPerlow | gotta move it to a different box |
| 20:46:34 | Verxion | there is an app called qtreader |
| 20:46:36 | James | Thanks a million!!!!! |
| 20:46:44 | Verxion | in that thread is the ONLY existing binary of an app |
| 20:46:49 | Verxion | and the link dies when I click on it |
| 20:46:57 | kergoth | James: np |
| 20:47:01 | Verxion | is there any chance you could help me with a valid URL to download it? |
| 20:47:03 | JHPerlow | I had to move the site, it was costing me 250 bux a month |
| 20:47:10 | Verxion | YIKES |
| 20:47:50 | JHPerlow | so, you gotta bear with me while I get it all fixed up |
| 20:47:55 | Verxion | ok |
| 20:48:00 | Verxion | are the files all deleted then? |
| 20:48:03 | JHPerlow | no |
| 20:48:05 | JHPerlow | still there |
| 20:48:08 | JHPerlow | qt reader? |
| 20:48:10 | Verxion | yeah |
| 20:48:33 | Verxion | the author posted the zaurus version on your web page and didn't post it to his own. :( |
| 20:50:23 | James | here's a question for the group, Is Sharp selling the serial cables yet? |
| 20:51:02 | BigBoss | there is going to be a serial cable? |
| 20:51:30 | James | it is on the USB port and is brought out the back of the cradel |
| 20:51:58 | James | it would be /dev/ ttyS0 |
| 20:52:05 | Verxion | if it helps JHPerlow, here is the link: |
| 20:52:11 | kergoth | BigBoss: yeah, how else would the lineo guys debug kernel space stuff, but with a serial console. :-) |
| 20:52:14 | Verxion | http://www.zauruszone.com/cgi-bin/iB_html/uploads/post-13-91547-qtreader1c.zip |
| 20:52:29 | James | ouch! |
| 20:52:32 | roge99 | JHPerlow: yea the serial cable will it attach directly to the Z or only to the cradle |
| 20:52:39 | James | both |
| 20:52:54 | James | at least that is my impressions of the doc's |
| 20:53:11 | NetAmpZ | hm they should make a USB cable attach directly to the Z ;) |
| 20:53:38 | roge99 | im thinking minicom and boom a pocket console |
| 20:53:44 | James | there is no reasion that it can't you just loose the power and also the sync button |
| 20:54:17 | mark_ | is the only way to charge the thing through the USB cable? |
| 20:54:36 | roge99 | no the ac adaptor plugs directly into the z |
| 20:54:38 | James | no, you can plug the powersuply right into the Z |
| 20:55:05 | JHPerlow | www.zauruszone.com/files/qtreader1c.zip |
| 20:55:08 | JHPerlow | I just moved it there |
| 20:55:20 | mark_ | roge99: the SL5000 ships with the ac adaptor? |
| 20:55:33 | James | mine did.... |
| 20:55:47 | mark_ | good - i can take it on holiday with me then |
| 20:56:01 | James | It was a model EA-70 |
| 20:56:12 | Verxion | thanks a TON JHPerlow!!! |
| 20:56:13 | roge99 | mark_: yea |
| 20:56:16 | Verxion | really majorly appreciate it |
| 20:57:42 | James | what I wanted to do was use the serial, and use my boat's NEMA equipment to display realtime race data on the Z, so having a serial is keen. |
| 20:57:43 | Neo|Work | cool. My SD card is shipped |
| 20:57:56 | whardier | WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT! |
| 20:57:59 | Neo|Work | but not my mini-dv tapes from the same order |
| 20:58:06 | whardier | it will come |
| 20:58:09 | whardier | TRUST ME |
| 20:58:13 | whardier | buy.com sucks |
| 20:58:15 | whardier | ubid.com sucks |
| 20:58:18 | whardier | everything.sucks |
| 20:58:26 | Neo|Work | nah, buy.com generally works fine to me |
| 20:58:48 | James | what about hover.com ;-P |
| 20:58:50 | mark_ | Neo|Work: still no Z? |
| 20:58:53 | Neo|Work | no |
| 20:58:55 | Neo|Work | is away: mtg |
| 20:59:19 | JHPerlow | metrolink is really pissing me off |
| 20:59:28 | JHPerlow | zauruszone has been screwed up for 2 days |
| 20:59:49 | NetAmpZ | mtg: magic the gathering |
| 20:59:49 | JHPerlow | they got one web guy working on my problems |
| 20:59:57 | JHPerlow | I have no idea what the hell is going on wrong |
| 21:00:05 | JHPerlow | my sofware worked FINE on my old server |
| 21:00:11 | kergoth | whardier: just committed a number of tweaks to the OZ buildsystem. tinylogin works again, sysvinit works, and modutils may work as well. (i havent committed the new oz-rootskel with an inittab yet though) |
| 21:00:42 | Verxion | sorry to hear that JHPerlow. :( |
| 21:00:48 | James | JPH: sound's like you shouldn't have to pay until they can prove that the site is up and working.... |
| 21:01:11 | kergoth | JHPerlow: eh that sucks. you raising hell? |
| 21:02:58 | roge99 | |
| 21:04:16 | JHPerlow | kergoth: raising hell as much as I can for a company that is giving me free bandwidth |
| 21:04:42 | James | I guess that means you can't hold up the check ;-) |
| 21:04:45 | JHPerlow | unless, someone else here gots a mostly empty T1 |
| 21:04:56 | JHPerlow | I have very few options |
| 21:05:19 | JHPerlow | working the sharp developer site, but that will be over a month before you see the new one |
| 21:05:20 | kergoth | JHPerlow: ah. heh. |
| 21:06:59 | James | I have a spare T1 not doing to much, But I think my boss would can me if I used it... (used for beta testing internet radio's) ;-} |
| 21:07:48 | VerxIPAQ | howdy |
| 21:07:59 | whardier | EEVIL! |
| 21:08:11 | VerxIPAQ | ok, now to see about getting this thing to work |
| 21:08:21 | VerxIPAQ | just wanted to thank you again JHPerlow, really appreciate it |
| 21:09:06 | James | l8er all, thanks for the configure info.......... |
| 21:12:22 | whardier | Remember that your fighters will be used up after a few thousand firings. |
| 21:12:22 | whardier | Bzork has 143,000 Colonists on it. |
| 21:12:25 | whardier | hehe |
| 21:12:27 | whardier | tradewars |
| 21:12:38 | whardier | should put a tradewars server on the Z |
| 21:12:38 | whardier | haha |
| 21:12:41 | whardier | that would rulexor |
| 21:12:51 | Verxion | I wanna put a doom or quake server on mine |
| 21:12:59 | whardier | hmm |
| 21:13:02 | whardier | you got me thinking |
| 21:13:07 | Verxion | I am not joking |
| 21:13:11 | Verxion | I am extremely serious |
| 21:13:11 | Verxion | :) |
| 21:13:17 | whardier | portable quake server |
| 21:13:21 | Verxion | indeed |
| 21:13:24 | Verxion | in my case |
| 21:13:28 | Verxion | portable, WIRELESS quake server |
| 21:13:31 | Verxion | in my POCKET |
| 21:13:31 | Verxion | :) |
| 21:13:33 | whardier | similar case here |
| 21:13:41 | Verxion | that would just rule |
| 21:13:45 | whardier | I USE THE SUNS RAYS TO PASS TCP/IP PACKETS! |
| 21:13:51 | Verxion | hehehehe |
| 21:14:04 | whardier | the sun is IPv6 |
| 21:14:31 | whardier | http://freshmeat.net/projects/bnetd/ |
| 21:14:40 | whardier | that would just be funny as all hell to put on a Z |
| 21:14:59 | bipolar_away | is away: I'm not here... Really.... |
| 21:15:24 | whardier | sure |
| 21:16:22 | Verxion | d2 eh? |
| 21:16:24 | Verxion | hehehe |
| 21:16:43 | Verxion | oh, d1 I see |
| 21:16:46 | Verxion | not d3 |
| 21:16:46 | NetAmpZ | I think I'll put Apache on my Z :P |
| 21:16:48 | Verxion | er, d2 |
| 21:17:34 | kergoth | NetAmp, nah just use boa. its already installed on OZ |
| 21:17:36 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:18:07 | whardier | well |
| 21:18:07 | kergoth | whardier: I'll have all the root skeleton for the startup script system done for OZ today. |
| 21:18:08 | NetAmp | kergoth: cool :D |
| 21:18:15 | whardier | I am (---- ) close to getting php4 to work with bioa |
| 21:18:19 | whardier | then I am gonna get php4 on the Z |
| 21:18:20 | whardier | hahaha |
| 21:18:22 | kergoth | lol |
| 21:18:24 | kergoth | that rocks |
| 21:18:33 | whardier | kergoth can't wait to play |
| 21:19:06 | Verxion | what is oz? |
| 21:19:33 | whardier | oh man geocrawler sucks |
| 21:19:33 | kergoth | Verxion: oz is OpenZaurus, a community romimage for the zaurus. it uses opie instead of qtopia |
| 21:19:37 | kergoth | whardier: yep |
| 21:19:57 | Verxion | oh, cool |
| 21:20:20 | kergoth | Verxion: the root filesystem isnt writable on the zaurus, so you cant alter the base fs without creating a new romimage |
| 21:20:23 | kergoth | Verxion: heh |
| 21:20:47 | NetAmp | whardier: Me me me me me |
| 21:20:51 | NetAmp | I want PHP on my Z! |
| 21:20:56 | NetAmp | is PHP-addict |
| 21:20:59 | Verxion | that sucks |
| 21:22:25 | NetAmp | <?="hello, world"?> |
| 21:24:31 | kergoth | whardier: did you ever get pcmcia-cs and wlan-cs into the buildsystem? |
| 21:25:43 | NetAmp | kergoth: Do you think putting OZ on a 5500 will work OK too? |
| 21:25:56 | NetAmp | I know they're mostly the same... |
| 21:26:03 | kergoth | NetAmp: certainly. Though I'll have to make some alterations for the changed heap size and stuff |
| 21:26:23 | NetAmp | sweet ;) |
| 21:27:38 | mark_ | kergoth: no hancom office in OZ :( - this is gonna stop a lot of people using it is it not? |
| 21:27:42 | Verxion | if I don't have "special device /dev/hda1", how do I create it? |
| 21:28:06 | kergoth | mark_: it may, though people could rip it out of the sharp rom really. same situation as the JVM |
| 21:28:15 | NetAmp | hm yeah office would be handy |
| 21:28:28 | mark_ | kergoth: well you can't rip out Opera (copy protection?) |
| 21:28:49 | kergoth | mark_: ? |
| 21:28:58 | kergoth | mark_: there could be legal issues, yes. but no technical ones |
| 21:29:02 | mark_ | kergoth: there is |
| 21:29:17 | mark_ | kergoth: well I tried it on an ipaq |
| 21:29:28 | kergoth | mark_: undefined references? |
| 21:29:32 | mark_ | kergoth: and it segfaulted with _no_ output |
| 21:29:36 | kergoth | ah |
| 21:29:38 | kergoth | odd |
| 21:29:40 | mark_ | when I ran gdb that is |
| 21:29:43 | kergoth | well opera isnt a big deal anymore |
| 21:29:46 | kergoth | now that konq has scaling |
| 21:29:47 | mark_ | everything else worked fine |
| 21:29:56 | mark_ | so I figured that there must be some copy protection there |
| 21:30:05 | kergoth | hm |
| 21:30:30 | kergoth | mark_: whats the status on getting a xml backend for opie? |
| 21:30:39 | kergoth | mark_: ive been out of the loop recently. busy as hell |
| 21:30:41 | Verxion | does anyone know how I can create /dev/hda1 ? |
| 21:30:43 | mark_ | kergoth: me too |
| 21:30:47 | Verxion | there isn't a MAKEDEV command. . . |
| 21:30:50 | kergoth | Verxion: with mknod |
| 21:31:03 | mark_ | kergoth: basically zecke and I have failed to find anything suitable at all |
| 21:31:10 | kergoth | mark_: argh |
| 21:31:18 | kergoth | mark_: that sucks |
| 21:31:27 | NetAmp | XML backend? for address book and the likes? |
| 21:31:33 | Verxion | are the major minor numbers the same on the arm for hda1 as on an x86? |
| 21:31:46 | NetAmp | Does standard Z use that? |
| 21:31:50 | kergoth | NetAmp: yeah. currently each app has their own implementation |
| 21:31:56 | kergoth | NetAmp: we want a single backend |
| 21:32:27 | mark_ | library of libxml? |
| 21:32:27 | NetAmp | kergoth: I saw a nice program in the ContestEntries which can handle different kinds of DB's |
| 21:32:30 | mark_ | i mean license? |
| 21:32:46 | kergoth | NetAmp: what one? |
| 21:32:50 | kergoth | mark_: good question |
| 21:32:52 | NetAmp | kergoth: but I think it also uses it's own format. Would indeed be nice to have it on XML |
| 21:33:07 | kergoth | NetAmp: currently the core qtopia apps use XML, but they each implement it on their own |
| 21:33:17 | mark_ | kergoth: MIT |
| 21:33:26 | kergoth | mark_ :ah |
| 21:33:29 | Verxion | is there anyone here that can tell me if their hda1 on their arm is a block device with major, minor of 3,1? |
| 21:33:35 | NetAmp | kergoth: KGrok - Palmtop Database |
| 21:34:07 | NetAmp | well with different kinds of DB's I don't mean different file types (!) |
| 21:34:20 | mark_ | kergoth: getting something small but also versitile is gonna be hard |
| 21:34:26 | kergoth | NetAmp: ah yeah, kgrok looks damn cool |
| 21:34:33 | kergoth | mark_: indeed |
| 21:34:34 | NetAmp | it sure does :D |
| 21:35:09 | kergoth | holy shit enlightenment 0.17 loads and exits fast |
| 21:35:16 | kergoth | compared to kde + kwin |
| 21:35:23 | kergoth | s/ + /\// |
| 21:35:36 | NetAmp | heh ;) |
| 21:35:48 | NetAmp | RegEx rulez |
| 21:35:55 | kergoth | yep |
| 21:36:00 | kergoth | i only know basic shit though |
| 21:36:05 | kergoth | id like to learn more advanced regex shit |
| 21:36:20 | NetAmp | yeah me2... but even that is good for PHP/Perl |
| 21:36:25 | kergoth | eg. i never use look ahead or look behind assertions |
| 21:36:26 | mark_ | kergoth: the XML file syntax in the Qtopia apps is horrible though |
| 21:36:30 | kergoth | NetAmp: yeah. i love scripting |
| 21:36:40 | kergoth | mark_: yep I know. maintaining compatibility could be a bitch |
| 21:37:20 | NetAmp | A while ago I had to replace the same text in a bunch of .htm files, so I just used PHP's preg_replace ;) |
| 21:37:32 | kergoth | i love perl for cmdline shit |
| 21:37:42 | mark_ | kergoth: coz they do <TODO param1="this" param2="that"></TODO> rather than <TODO><param1>this</param1><param2>that</param2></TODO> |
| 21:37:44 | kergoth | cat *htm|perl -ne 's/blah/heh/; print;'; |
| 21:37:46 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:37:58 | kergoth | mark_: ack. thats foolish |
| 21:38:03 | NetAmp | yeah perl is real good at such jobs |
| 21:38:12 | kergoth | even sed works well half the time |
| 21:38:28 | mark_ | kergoth: I know |
| 21:38:39 | Verxion | what module should load to have CF cards work? |
| 21:38:49 | NetAmp | yeah I should learn some more about sed/awk etc. |
| 21:38:57 | kergoth | i love scripting |
| 21:38:58 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:39:10 | | NetAmp: what? |
| 21:39:10 | NetAmp | ibot: netamp loves scripting |
| 21:39:10 | kergoth | cuz im just lazy |
| 21:39:30 | | OK, kergoth. |
| 21:39:30 | kergoth | ibot: netamp is <reply> He loves scripting. |
| 21:39:35 | | He loves scripting. |
| 21:39:35 | kergoth | ibot: netamp? |
| 21:39:39 | kergoth | there ya go |
| 21:39:39 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:39:50 | NetAmp | wahaha *lol* thnx I was just about to type the same thing ;) |
| 21:40:00 | mark_ | kergoth: zecke says libxml is huge |
| 21:40:20 | Verxion | so do it with intimate instead of familiar |
| 21:40:29 | kergoth | mark_: well then. hm. |
| 21:40:38 | Verxion | no size limits there |
| 21:40:39 | Verxion | :) |
| 21:40:41 | mark_ | kergoth: 600k |
| 21:40:47 | kergoth | mark_: ouch |
| 21:43:32 | kergoth | BZFlag: ping |
| 21:50:34 | BigBoss | hi max |
| 21:56:59 | kergoth | BZFlag: my Z kernel keeps saying Argh. :-P |
| 21:57:28 | kergoth | sup twiun |
| 21:58:09 | twiun | The usual... I trashed my system ;-) |
| 21:58:14 | whardier | :( |
| 21:58:16 | kergoth | hah. whatd ya do |
| 21:58:33 | kergoth | whardier: the jffs2 image is fucked in some way. I get Argh inode errors all over hte place |
| 21:58:35 | NetAmp | 14http://www.sharp.net.au/thinking/future/future2.htm |
| 21:58:38 | twiun | tried updating my kernel and botched it ;-) |
| 21:58:44 | kergoth | twiun: ah, oops :-) |
| 21:58:54 | twiun | lost the mbr, then the partition table... |
| 21:59:02 | kergoth | twiun: thats what debian is for. apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18-k7 && update-grub && grub-install; # - hehe |
| 21:59:09 | kergoth | twiun: ouch |
| 21:59:20 | twiun | I then said, sod it, and reformated all three drives |
| 21:59:33 | twiun | This time I've been more careful with the mount points |
| 21:59:55 | twiun | and I haven't installed a 'standard' installation |
| 22:00:02 | twiun | so, no X yet ;-) |
| 22:00:10 | kergoth | ah |
| 22:00:13 | twiun | using naim atm |
| 22:00:43 | twiun | how's OZ coming? |
| 22:03:27 | twiun | m ibot seen JHPerlow |
| 22:03:34 | twiun | hrmm |
| 22:03:45 | twiun | wish this came with a bit more documentation |
| 22:05:05 | | JHPerlow was last seen on #zaurus 59 minutes and 46 seconds ago, saying: working the sharp developer site, but that will be over a month before you see the new one [Wed Mar 13 21:05:19 2002] |
| 22:05:05 | cmdrake|work | ibot seen JHPerlow |
| 22:05:34 | twiun | oooer |
| 22:26:03 | kendrick2 | flooop |
| 22:29:48 | kergoth | kendrick2: flooop? |
| 22:29:50 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:31:55 | whardier | floop is a charactor in Spy Kids |
| 22:32:00 | whardier | Floops Flooglies! |
| 22:32:06 | kergoth | eh |
| 22:32:14 | kergoth | whardier: OZ is all fucked up |
| 22:32:21 | whardier | yuh oh |
| 22:32:24 | kergoth | whardier: init wont run anymore |
| 22:32:28 | kergoth | whardier: i keep breaking things as i fix them |
| 22:32:29 | kergoth | whardier: lol |
| 22:32:57 | whardier | haha |
| 22:32:59 | whardier | damn |
| 22:34:00 | kergoth | whardier: I'm DETERMINED to have my Z boot up OZ and run opie TODAY damnit. |
| 22:34:04 | kendrick2 | heh |
| 22:34:15 | kendrick2 | must prepare to give a talk on the zaurus @ saclug tomorrow! |
| 22:34:17 | kendrick2 | D'oh! |
| 22:34:47 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:34:48 | kergoth | have fun |
| 22:45:48 | kendrick2 | ping! |
| 22:45:53 | kergoth | pong! |
| 22:45:58 | kendrick2 | ok :) |
| 22:46:00 | kendrick2 | just quiet :) |
| 22:46:00 | kergoth | this chan is so dead today |
| 22:46:01 | kergoth | its nuts |
| 22:46:03 | kergoth | yeah |
| 22:46:27 | kendrick2 | our lug has an archive of our mailing lists |
| 22:46:30 | kendrick2 | but they're all plain html |
| 22:46:37 | kendrick2 | i want to php'ify them somehow :^/ |
| 22:46:49 | kendrick2 | so that they look like part of the rest of the site... :^/ |
| 22:46:53 | NetAmp | kendrick2: good idea ;) |
| 22:46:54 | kergoth | ah.. need a nifty interface eh |
| 22:47:24 | NetAmp | kendrick2: use Qt's Hydro style :P |
| 22:47:27 | NetAmp | heh |
| 22:49:08 | kergoth | re Harlekin |
| 22:51:42 | Harlekin | yo |
| 22:51:46 | Harlekin | wheres the lineo guy |
| 22:51:47 | Harlekin | .-= |
| 22:53:01 | NetAmp | 14*yawn* |
| 22:53:09 | Harlekin | kergoth: who was it who wrote the vnc server? |
| 22:53:12 | Harlekin | for z and ipaq |
| 22:53:19 | kergoth | Harlekin: Fastolfe |
| 22:53:24 | Harlekin | ah |
| 22:53:24 | NetAmp | I'm gonna look for my bed... |
| 22:53:31 | NetAmp | have a nice day everybody |
| 22:53:42 | kendrick2 | cya |
| 22:53:46 | NetAmp | :) |
| 22:54:24 | Harlekin | kergoth: hmm, how often ist he here |
| 22:54:37 | kergoth | Harlekin: quite often actually |
| 22:54:40 | | Fastolfe was last seen on #zaurus 8 days, 18 hours, 13 minutes and 48 seconds ago, saying: [Tue Mar 5 04:40:52 2002] |
| 22:54:40 | kergoth | ibot: seen Fastolfe? |
| 22:54:46 | kergoth | damn |
| 22:54:50 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:54:51 | Harlekin | ehe |
| 22:54:53 | Harlekin | 8 days |
| 22:55:04 | kendrick2 | wow |
| 22:55:11 | kergoth | thats a long time |
| 22:55:56 | roge99 | kergoth: last time i talkled with him he was making a anti bike theft device outa battery and a starter coil |
| 22:56:08 | kergoth | roge99: lol.. why am i not surprised |
| 22:56:15 | roge99 | mabe he letrocuted himself |
| 22:56:41 | kergoth | roge99: could ask bzflag where he went to. they do work at the same place after all |
| 22:56:42 | kergoth | yawns |
| 22:56:51 | roge99 | forgot it was on the bike and hopped on and blew his nuts off |
| 22:57:07 | kergoth | oh theres an image |
| 22:57:08 | kergoth | lol |
| 22:58:08 | kendrick2 | OOWWCCHH! |
| 22:59:20 | kergoth | kendrick2: no kidding... |
| 23:00:48 | kergoth | argh!#% |
| 23:01:04 | kergoth | something is desperately wrong with my sysvinit build |
| 23:01:17 | kergoth | 'Kernel panic: No init found. Try passing init= option to the kernel." |
| 23:01:28 | kergoth | yet jffs2reader shows /sbin/init is there |
| 23:01:29 | kergoth | ack |
| 23:02:11 | twiun | doesn't that usually mean it can't fint initrd? |
| 23:02:19 | kergoth | its not using an initrd |
| 23:02:38 | kergoth | it mounts the rootfs just fine.. if i set init=/bin/sh it boots and drops me to a busybox sh |
| 23:02:45 | twiun | god my typing is going down the drains |
| 23:02:58 | kergoth | but if i let it point to /sbin/init from sysvinit build, it says no init found |
| 23:02:59 | kergoth | odd |
| 23:03:15 | twiun | hrmm... is sbin mounted and available when it tries? |
| 23:03:19 | kergoth | yep |
| 23:03:23 | kergoth | and permissions are correct |
| 23:03:26 | kergoth | its strange |
| 23:03:34 | | fastolfe is probably using some igniton-coil battery powered anit-bike-theft device to blow his nuts off |
| 23:03:34 | roge99 | ibot where is fastolfe |
| 23:03:39 | kergoth | lol |
| 23:03:44 | kendrick2 | hahhaha |
| 23:04:12 | twiun | rolls his sleeves up... time to get X installed! |
| 23:04:19 | kergoth | twiun: have fun |
| 23:04:25 | kergoth | twiun: what gui env are you gonna use? |
| 23:05:06 | twiun | Not too sure yet... thinking of chrooting 3 versions of X |
| 23:05:15 | twiun | GLX, kde and gnome |
| 23:05:23 | kergoth | the init binary is right too. hmm. arm-linux-objdump -a shows elf32-littlearm |
| 23:05:41 | kergoth | twiun: ah, cool. I keep flipping between kde and E 0.17 (cvs) |
| 23:06:10 | twiun | I'm toying with the idea of using lfs to make the bits |
| 23:06:38 | kergoth | lfs? |
| 23:08:03 | twiun | linux-from-scratch |
| 23:08:09 | kergoth | ah |
| 23:08:10 | kergoth | cool |
| 23:08:17 | twiun | basically build everything from sources ;-) |
| 23:08:26 | twiun | It's a good way to get to know what everything does |
| 23:08:31 | kergoth | i'm a debian guy |
| 23:08:38 | kergoth | apt-get source if i need to see the code |
| 23:08:39 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:09:04 | twiun | I'm running mandrake on this box... urpmi does the same kind of thing |
| 23:09:20 | twiun | but I'm not too bothered |
| 23:09:23 | kergoth | cool cool |
| 23:09:45 | kergoth | id be a lot happier right now if my zaurus would BOOT |
| 23:09:46 | twiun | I just want to be able to remove something completely without messing my system up... hence the chrooting |
| 23:09:46 | kergoth | argh |
| 23:09:53 | kergoth | twiun: yeah understandable |
| 23:09:58 | twiun | talking of the Z ;-) |
| 23:10:23 | twiun | Have we got the 1.1x versions ethernetting with linux yet? |
| 23:10:35 | roge99 | twin have you herd of installwatch |
| 23:10:37 | kergoth | yeah with the usbdnet driver |
| 23:10:54 | twiun | roge99: Nope... any website? |
| 23:11:05 | roge99 | hmmm letme see if i can dig one up |
| 23:11:12 | twiun | kergoth: tried that... seems to be missing the echo_tx symbol |
| 23:11:33 | roge99 | http://freshmeat.net/projects/installwatch/ |
| 23:11:35 | kergoth | twiun: odd. i never tried it myself, because the only 1.1x I ever tried was a hacked up version |
| 23:11:55 | kergoth | twiun: my Z has been sitting at a shell prompt in OZ 3.0 alpha for weeks. hehe. |
| 23:11:58 | twiun | roge99: thanks, I'll wander over there |
| 23:12:05 | roge99 | no prob |
| 23:12:14 | twiun | kergoth: Nice |
| 23:12:17 | kergoth | DAMN YOU KERNEL SPAWN MY INIT@!$ |
| 23:12:29 | twiun | searched google for the error message? |
| 23:12:35 | kergoth | wouldnt help |
| 23:12:43 | kergoth | the message is too commmon. too many possible causes |
| 23:12:52 | twiun | Ack |
| 23:12:55 | kergoth | i just need to figure out if something is wrong with the binary itself, or if i'm doing something else wrong |
| 23:13:03 | kendrick2 | runs off |
| 23:13:06 | kendrick2 | cya |
| 23:13:32 | kergoth | oh my |
| 23:13:33 | kergoth | hahaha |
| 23:13:40 | kergoth | my init wasnt compiled staticly |
| 23:13:41 | kergoth | lmao |
| 23:13:45 | kergoth | smacks forehead |
| 23:13:46 | twiun | cya ken |
| 23:13:54 | kergoth | later kendrick2 |
| 23:13:54 | twiun | kergoth: rofl |
| 23:15:05 | Neo|Work | is back (gone 02:16:11) |
| 23:15:21 | roge99 | bbiab FOOD! |
| 23:15:24 | kendrick2 | wonders when he'll get his zaurus speaker |
| 23:16:20 | kergoth | re Neo|Work |
| 23:18:05 | Neo|Work | man it drives me nuts how this zlib bug is made out to be a linux issue |
| 23:18:11 | Neo|Work | it's a fricking zlib bug! |
| 23:18:20 | Neo|Work | unrelated to Linux for crying out loud |
| 23:18:31 | kergoth | yep |
| 23:18:56 | kergoth | people seem to be hyping it. its just a bug, for gods sake. |
| 23:18:57 | kergoth | yawns |
| 23:20:21 | Neo|Work | and an unlikely one to be exploited at that |
| 23:20:33 | kergoth | yep |
| 23:21:51 | kergoth | ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 23:21:55 | kergoth | bangs head against wall |
| 23:22:17 | Neo|Work | the only issue is widespread usage and common static linking |
| 23:23:26 | kergoth | KERNEL FIND MY INIT, PLEASE |
| 23:23:28 | kergoth | argh |
| 23:29:31 | tux_mike | whee |
| 23:29:51 | tux_mike | kergoth: you get that tested? |
| 23:30:06 | kergoth | tux_mike: ? |
| 23:30:13 | tux_mike | the OZ stuff? |
| 23:30:22 | kergoth | tux_mike: man, it wont even boot atm |
| 23:30:25 | kergoth | tux_mike: stupid shit |
| 23:30:35 | tux_mike | ook |
| 23:31:04 | tux_mike | kergoth: problem with the boot loader or init? |
| 23:31:07 | kergoth | tux_mike: getting weird ass errors in the filesystem |
| 23:31:21 | kergoth | tux_mike: things like 'Argh. Special inode #601 had more than one node.' |
| 23:31:33 | tux_mike | odd... |
| 23:31:43 | kergoth | very |
| 23:31:48 | kergoth | ive never had a kernel say Argh before |
| 23:31:49 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:32:30 | tux_mike | hehe |
| 23:32:54 | kergoth | so frustrating.. |
| 23:32:57 | kergoth | works one minute, fails the next |
| 23:32:59 | kergoth | driving me insane |
| 23:33:03 | tux_mike | hrm... |
| 23:33:04 | kergoth | I'm breaking shit as i fix it |
| 23:33:05 | kergoth | or something |
| 23:33:07 | kergoth | i dunno |
| 23:33:20 | kergoth | i'm just trying to switch from busybox init to sysvinit, it shouldnt be all that hard |
| 23:33:21 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:33:31 | kergoth | course i had forgotten to build it staticly at first.. lol... but not anymore.. |
| 23:36:02 | tux_mike | kergoth: why do you need busy box static? |
| 23:36:28 | kergoth | tux_mike: for init=/bin/sh (sh -> busybox) |
| 23:36:55 | tux_mike | hrm |
| 23:37:09 | tux_mike | isn't libc in the initrc? |
| 23:37:28 | tux_mike | s/initrc/initrd |
| 23:37:48 | kergoth | yeah, but i never trust dynamic on the init process. maybe its just me. :-) |
| 23:38:09 | tux_mike | i don't use static for shite. |
| 23:38:14 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:38:18 | kergoth | well i was running out of ideas |
| 23:38:21 | kergoth | this shit just wont cooperate |
| 23:38:27 | kergoth | now it says no init found |
| 23:38:36 | kergoth | even tho /sbin/init exists, with proper permissions in the jffs2 image |
| 23:38:40 | kergoth | very annoying |
| 23:39:24 | tux_mike | hrm... |
| 23:39:45 | tux_mike | kergoth: is everything on CVS? |
| 23:39:49 | tux_mike | lemme take a look |
| 23:40:34 | kergoth | tux_mike: yeah the buildroot produces this image properly now |
| 23:40:44 | warmi | NeoTron: are you there ? |
| 23:41:27 | roge99 | twiun: here is a place where you can download installwatch http://online.securityfocus.com/tools/401 the links on freshmeat are broken |
| 23:42:15 | tux_mike | time to check on the fries |
| 23:42:42 | roge99 | tux_mike: you want fries with that ? |
| 23:42:57 | tux_mike | kergoth: i'm not gonna be albe to actually build for a few hours. |
| 23:43:11 | tux_mike | i'm about to eat, then i have to do some painting |
| 23:43:18 | kergoth | tux_mike: np. if you dont have buildroot already, itd take a long ass time btw. since it builds everything from source. heh. |
| 23:43:24 | kergoth | tux_mike: cool cool |
| 23:46:24 | Neo|Work | doh |
| 23:46:29 | Neo|Work | sugar heard warmi |
| 23:46:30 | Sugar | Neo|Work: I last heard warmi on IRC 5m 46s ago in channel #zaurus saying: NeoTron: are you there ? |
| 23:46:37 | Neo|Work | missed him with a few minutes |
| 23:46:50 | twiun | roge99: thanks! |
| 23:46:55 | roge99 | no prob |
| 23:47:12 | kergoth | recompiles Z kernel with nfsroot support |
| 23:47:25 | roge99 | if you use rpm it has an installwatch2rpm script that will build rpms for you |
| 23:47:56 | twiun | Oooo |
| 23:51:00 | twiun | I can see myself making an rpm of a full X install with that tool |
| 23:51:14 | twiun | I'll give it a whirl later this week |
| 23:51:28 | | pong! |
| 23:51:28 | whardier | ibot, ping |
| 23:51:30 | | pong! |
| 23:51:30 | whardier | ibot, ping |
| 23:51:32 | | pong! |
| 23:51:32 | whardier | ibot, ping |
| 23:51:32 | | pong! |
| 23:51:32 | whardier | ibot, ping |
| 23:51:32 | | pong! |
| 23:51:32 | whardier | ibot, ping |
| 23:51:32 | | pong! |
| 23:51:32 | whardier | ibot, ping |
| 23:51:34 | | pong! |
| 23:51:34 | whardier | ibot, ping |
| 23:51:34 | | pong! |
| 23:51:34 | whardier | ibot, ping |
| 23:51:35 | | pong! |
| 23:51:35 | whardier | ibot, ping |
| 23:51:37 | | pong! |
| 23:51:37 | whardier | ibot, ping |
| 23:51:39 | whardier | :) |
| 23:52:10 | | tux_mike: what? |
| 23:52:10 | tux_mike | ibot pong |
| 23:52:26 | whardier | hahaha |
| 23:52:31 | | no idea, whardier |
| 23:52:31 | whardier | ibot, tennis? |
| 23:52:33 | whardier | hehe |
| 23:52:41 | | OK, tux_mike. |
| 23:52:41 | tux_mike | ibot pong is an old game |
| 23:52:49 | | hmmm... whardier is a smartass |
| 23:52:49 | fusion94 | ibot: whardier ? |
| 23:52:54 | whardier | hey |
| 23:53:03 | | twiun: huh? |
| 23:53:03 | twiun | ibot: twiun |
| 23:53:11 | twiun | Hehe, it's already forgotten ;-) |
| 23:53:12 | | OK, tux_mike. |
| 23:53:12 | tux_mike | ibot tennis is a sport and that is too much effort. |
| 23:53:28 | tux_mike | puts ideas into ibot's head :) |
| 23:53:51 | | twiun: excuse me? |
| 23:53:51 | twiun | ibot twiun |
| 23:54:04 | | pong is, like, an old game |
| 23:54:04 | tux_mike | ibot pong |
| 23:54:48 | kergoth | whardier: i'm going to boot my Z using nfsroot next time, and zero the /dev/mtd4 device, hopefully itll get rid of the FS errors i'm seeing. |
| 23:55:59 | tux_mike | kergoth: you think that flashing it didn't clear it all out? |
| 23:57:29 | kergoth | tux_mike: bz mentioned that he wasnt certain of whether the angel for the Z does |
| 23:57:32 | kergoth | tux_mike: so we'll find out shortly |
| 23:57:33 | whardier | err |
| 23:57:35 | whardier | you can do that? |
| 23:57:37 | kergoth | tux_mike: besides, nfsroot would rock anyway |
| 23:57:39 | kergoth | tux_mike: hehe |
| 23:57:45 | kergoth | whardier: the kernel supports it... |
| 23:57:52 | whardier | but how do you command it to do so? |
| 23:57:59 | kergoth | whardier: just building one with it and ip autoconfig using bootp and rarp, and set cmdline shit |
| 23:58:05 | whardier | ahha |
| 23:58:08 | kergoth | whardier: $(KERNEL_DIR)/Documentation/nfsroot.txt |
| 23:58:09 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:58:12 | kergoth | easy |
| 23:58:16 | whardier | I hope that supports bootp over the Z cradle |
| 23:58:25 | whardier | I know it is just TCP/IP. |
| 23:58:28 | kergoth | whardier: it will. itll grab the first device that gets an ip |
| 23:58:29 | whardier | but.. really it isn't |
| 23:58:48 | kergoth | whardier: so in theory, as soon as usbd0 is available, it'll bring it up and grab an ip, and boom |
| 23:58:54 | kergoth | whardier: we'll see if it works though :-) |
| 23:59:05 | whardier | well.. |
| 23:59:06 | whardier | hmm |
| 23:59:10 | whardier | you might have to press the sync button |
| 23:59:31 | whardier | I hope hotplug is smart enopuggh |
| 23:59:37 | whardier | got mugged |
| 23:59:54 | kergoth | whardier: hotplug? this is kkernel space man, hotplug on the Z wont be up yet. |
