| 00:10:12 | bipolar | is back (gone 01:02:09) |
| 00:31:28 | sieve | afternoon ladies and gents |
| 00:31:46 | Neo|Work | 3lo |
| 00:31:48 | Neo|Work | lo even |
| 00:31:57 | bipolar_away | is away: I'm not here... Really.... |
| 00:54:45 | Neo|Work | heh: http://www.lindkvist.com/digitaldataporn/source/digitaldataporn064.html |
| 01:31:04 | sean | huh. |
| 01:31:25 | sean | sup w/ zauruszone requiring login to view messages now.. |
| 01:55:59 | peanut | waves |
| 01:56:09 | peanut | jason: myzaurus.com looks nice |
| 01:59:30 | Neo|Work | is away: home |
| 02:00:34 | peanut | yawns |
| 02:00:50 | kendrick2 | yeah |
| 02:00:51 | kendrick2 | oops |
| 02:01:26 | peanut | hrm.. does that look like an mp3 player on the image of the Z on myzaurus.com |
| 02:01:27 | kendrick2 | so |
| 02:01:29 | kergoth | re |
| 02:01:47 | roge99 | hey kergoth |
| 02:02:02 | kendrick2 | that's SO a japanese model |
| 02:02:14 | kendrick2 | looks like the japanese model's player, too... |
| 02:02:14 | peanut | yeah.. probably.. |
| 02:02:22 | peanut | BUT, look at the enfora on it |
| 02:02:23 | peanut | :) |
| 02:02:26 | kendrick2 | oh.. te screenshot :) |
| 02:02:35 | kergoth | sits on hold patiently |
| 02:02:47 | kendrick2 | yes :) ... says "instant messenger", but photo of mpegplayer |
| 02:02:57 | peanut | yeah, the whole site is pretty mucked up.. |
| 02:03:22 | kendrick2 | i've fucked up my sd card or something |
| 02:03:27 | kendrick2 | i need to wipe it completely |
| 02:03:29 | kendrick2 | and i can't :^( |
| 02:03:31 | Bala | yeah " Need copy for featured software lorem ipsum dolar sit amet si consectutar lorem ipsum dolar ... " |
| 02:03:39 | Bala | lots of filler |
| 02:03:52 | whardier | I am gonna make a holographic wrist worn PDA interface |
| 02:03:53 | whardier | :) |
| 02:03:57 | whardier | its my goal in life |
| 02:05:30 | kergoth | sup whardier |
| 02:05:51 | kendrick2 | woah.. writing to cf card froze my box for a sec! |
| 02:05:54 | peanut | docking station looks a little different |
| 02:07:20 | kendrick2 | where? |
| 02:08:02 | peanut | on the accessories page |
| 02:08:09 | peanut | 19 z's on ebay |
| 02:08:29 | ][N-Flux | 5000d's? |
| 02:08:39 | kendrick2 | yeah... has a lip |
| 02:08:47 | peanut | yep.. |
| 02:08:53 | ][N-Flux | jesus |
| 02:08:59 | ][N-Flux | everyone is jumping shi[ |
| 02:09:05 | ][N-Flux | ship even |
| 02:09:06 | roge99 | looks like the one for the 5500 |
| 02:09:15 | peanut | its compatible with the 5000 |
| 02:09:32 | peanut | wait.. check that.. |
| 02:09:34 | kendrick2 | some people just have no need for it |
| 02:09:46 | peanut | didn't check for which type.. |
| 02:09:57 | peanut | there's quite a few other zaurus on there :) |
| 02:10:27 | ][N-Flux | as of yesterday there were only 3 5000's on ebay |
| 02:12:43 | ][N-Flux | neat show on giant squid's |
| 02:13:15 | kendrick2 | how do i murder the contents of the SD card? |
| 02:13:22 | kendrick2 | i guess i wanna fdisk it or something :^/ |
| 02:13:40 | roge99 | mkfs on it |
| 02:14:12 | kendrick2 | with it unmounted, right? |
| 02:14:14 | roge99 | kendrick2: do you want a fat or ext2 fs |
| 02:14:23 | roge99 | yea unmount it but dont eject it |
| 02:14:24 | kendrick2 | ext2 |
| 02:14:35 | roge99 | then you need to fdisk it too |
| 02:14:37 | kendrick2 | mkfs.ext2 /dev/mmcda1 right? |
| 02:14:44 | kendrick2 | it's in ext2 now |
| 02:14:47 | kendrick2 | i want to wipe it entirely |
| 02:14:53 | roge99 | yep |
| 02:14:55 | kendrick2 | so i can try to get 1.10-sd rom installed again |
| 02:16:07 | kendrick2 | mkfs.ext2's |
| 02:16:31 | kendrick2 | odd .. /mnt/card isn't in fstab |
| 02:16:37 | kendrick2 | i guess it's handled entirely by cardmgr |
| 02:16:50 | whardier | I wanna run uml on my Z |
| 02:17:12 | roge99 | if you do a mke2fs -m 0 /dev/mmcda1 you'll get a little extra space |
| 02:17:58 | kendrick2 | meh |
| 02:18:58 | kendrick2 | trying to write 1.10-sd again |
| 02:19:00 | kendrick2 | runs off... thx! :) |
| 02:19:07 | whardier | tiqit.com |
| 02:19:10 | whardier | I want one soo bad |
| 02:19:16 | whardier | soo VERY VERY bad! |
| 02:20:28 | ][N-Flux | yuck |
| 02:20:33 | ][N-Flux | buy a libretto |
| 02:20:43 | whardier | haha |
| 02:20:44 | whardier | true that |
| 02:21:00 | peanut | is off |
| 02:21:04 | ][N-Flux | that thing is too thick |
| 02:21:12 | whardier | its really small |
| 02:21:14 | whardier | haha |
| 02:21:17 | ][N-Flux | wants another libretto |
| 02:21:28 | whardier | I would love a livretto |
| 02:21:31 | whardier | b |
| 02:21:46 | whardier | this eightythree machine comes with 128 or 256 mewgs of ram |
| 02:21:49 | whardier | and a 10 gig HD |
| 02:22:00 | whardier | and a wee little 4" 640x480 18 bit display |
| 02:22:24 | ][N-Flux | get the libretto l2 |
| 02:22:25 | whardier | if the zaurus were just a smidgin bigger.. it would fit |
| 02:22:28 | whardier | l2? |
| 02:22:33 | ][N-Flux | 600mzh |
| 02:22:36 | whardier | last I knew there were like 110ct's |
| 02:22:45 | ][N-Flux | look it up on ebay real quick |
| 02:23:30 | whardier | oh sweet! |
| 02:23:33 | ][N-Flux | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2008528447 |
| 02:23:41 | whardier | that is prettyt sexy |
| 02:23:43 | ][N-Flux | nice |
| 02:23:50 | ][N-Flux | casio fiva is purty too |
| 02:24:00 | whardier | its a transmeta |
| 02:24:01 | whardier | neat |
| 02:24:13 | whardier | 1280x600? internal resolution? |
| 02:24:13 | ][N-Flux | lucky japanese |
| 02:24:25 | ][N-Flux | widescreen |
| 02:24:28 | whardier | augh |
| 02:24:36 | whardier | say goodbye soul! |
| 02:25:50 | ][N-Flux | gonna sell it for a libretto :) |
| 02:26:42 | whardier | yeah |
| 02:26:46 | whardier | I have always wanted one |
| 02:26:52 | whardier | my soul is worth this one |
| 02:26:58 | whardier | linus touched its inards |
| 02:28:17 | ][N-Flux | hehehhe |
| 02:28:21 | ][N-Flux | I used to have a 50ct |
| 02:28:24 | ][N-Flux | badass |
| 02:29:34 | ][N-Flux | died in a freak overclocking mishap |
| 02:30:30 | roge99 | if im huffin a laptop around its gona have a big ass screen |
| 02:31:13 | kendrick2 | that's much better :) |
| 02:31:18 | kendrick2 | no errors while unpackign |
| 02:31:22 | kendrick2 | waits about 10mins |
| 02:33:39 | ][N-Flux | roge99: it's light |
| 02:33:58 | ljp_ | hey! I got my Zaurus today! |
| 02:34:16 | ljp_ | not |
| 02:34:24 | kendrick2 | ?? |
| 02:34:41 | roge99 | ][N-Flux: but how much *real* work are you gona to on that little screen |
| 02:35:01 | ][N-Flux | you'd be suprosed |
| 02:35:05 | ][N-Flux | suprised too |
| 02:35:21 | roge99 | yea i guess im just spoiled |
| 02:35:28 | ][N-Flux | mozilla 0.9.9 is out |
| 02:35:41 | roge99 | cool |
| 02:35:48 | ][N-Flux | I've had lasik, I have no need for a big screen ;) |
| 02:35:57 | roge99 | ha! |
| 02:36:15 | ][N-Flux | I love tiny portables |
| 02:36:22 | roge99 | well if it can do 1280x1024 its ok |
| 02:37:29 | ][N-Flux | mozilla |
| 02:37:31 | ][N-Flux | kickass |
| 02:37:44 | ][N-Flux | I now install it for all my client's and they thank me |
| 02:37:59 | roge99 | did you ever use galeon |
| 02:38:10 | kendrick2 | mm... ~20MB free RAM :) |
| 02:38:46 | ][N-Flux | yes |
| 02:38:52 | ][N-Flux | I prefer mozilla |
| 02:38:56 | roge99 | i like the tabs |
| 02:38:59 | kendrick2 | reinstalls a buncha apps |
| 02:39:14 | roge99 | i hate having 900 windows open |
| 02:40:32 | ][N-Flux | damn |
| 02:40:39 | ][N-Flux | it renders FAST |
| 02:40:49 | roge99 | sweet |
| 02:41:12 | roge99 | galeon uses its engine |
| 02:41:15 | whardier | ][N-Flux I had lasik |
| 02:41:18 | whardier | I still like big screens |
| 02:41:24 | whardier | lasik is not the cure all.. |
| 02:41:28 | whardier | big fucking screens are |
| 02:41:33 | ][N-Flux | hehehe |
| 02:41:33 | whardier | the more you look at little screens |
| 02:41:37 | whardier | the more it damages your eyes |
| 02:41:40 | ][N-Flux | had free lasik |
| 02:41:52 | whardier | so you had it performed? |
| 02:41:57 | ][N-Flux | whardier: I'm looking at 21" right now |
| 02:42:06 | whardier | I am looking at a 24" :) |
| 02:42:07 | ][N-Flux | but small screens have thier places |
| 02:42:13 | whardier | + my 12" dong |
| 02:42:29 | ][N-Flux | of course |
| 02:42:37 | whardier | hehe |
| 02:42:59 | whardier | every time I sit down at this monitor.. it cannot help itself |
| 02:43:20 | ][N-Flux | hehehe |
| 02:43:29 | ][N-Flux | damn me and my lowly 10" |
| 02:43:45 | whardier | thats a small monitor |
| 02:43:48 | whardier | my dong is bigger |
| 02:43:58 | whardier | dies laughing |
| 02:44:03 | whardier | ahhahhahhh.. I am a sicko |
| 02:46:46 | ][N-Flux | I was talking about the dong :P |
| 02:46:47 | whardier | passes a few packets |
| 02:46:52 | whardier | oh really! |
| 02:46:55 | whardier | heh |
| 02:46:56 | whardier | can I see? |
| 02:47:05 | whardier | I was only lying about my 12 inches of love |
| 02:47:28 | kendrick2 | runsoff |
| 02:47:29 | kendrick2 | cya |
| 02:47:51 | whardier | heh |
| 02:50:45 | whardier | hey fusion |
| 02:50:52 | whardier | whats is 10" long.. and spells love? |
| 02:52:01 | ][N-Flux | all my penor pics have been removed :) |
| 02:52:15 | whardier | hahah |
| 02:52:24 | whardier | damn sneaky friends |
| 02:53:25 | roge99 | whardier: whats is 10" long.. and spells love.. a happy hacker keyboard |
| 02:53:27 | whardier | I have no penor pics |
| 02:53:32 | whardier | roge99 HAHAHA |
| 02:53:39 | whardier | I have a 10" happy hacker |
| 02:53:42 | whardier | it hacks away |
| 02:53:51 | whardier | I have rooted many a thing |
| 02:54:00 | whardier | it was quite happy |
| 02:54:37 | whardier | anybody else here listened to "The Cynic Project" |
| 02:55:34 | whardier | would it be worth porting php4? |
| 02:55:41 | whardier | since I can get it to work with boa.. |
| 02:55:56 | whardier | or atleast bugging the people that got php4 working |
| 02:56:34 | BigBoss | howdy ho |
| 02:56:41 | whardier | neighbor |
| 02:57:38 | ][N-Flux | hey hey |
| 03:02:18 | BigBoss | well that Loki story really got hit hard |
| 03:02:52 | BigBoss | I was at court today for their 341a hearing and Scott not only didn't show up, his attorney didn't know where he was, why he didn't come and couldn't reach him by any means |
| 03:07:19 | whardier | damn |
| 03:07:30 | whardier | you know of terrasoft.. yellow dog linux |
| 03:07:53 | whardier | they are in my town.. they did some shtuff with loki |
| 03:08:35 | BigBoss | probably just reselling |
| 03:13:14 | whardier | bigsplit |
| 03:13:14 | whardier | ride that split |
| 03:13:38 | ][N-Flux | wonder what happened with deus ex |
| 03:13:47 | whardier | deus suckx |
| 03:19:48 | ][N-Flux | waiting for neverwinter nights |
| 03:22:27 | ][N-Flux | cheeseburger cheeseburger cheeseburger cheeseburger cheeseburger cheeseburger cheeseburger cheeseburger cheeseburger cheeseburger cheeseburger cheeseburger cheeseburger cheeseburger cheeseburger cheeseburger |
| 03:22:34 | roge99 | yea ! |
| 03:22:43 | roge99 | no fries |
| 03:23:41 | ][N-Flux | old snl rocks |
| 03:25:01 | roge99 | sup Hellaenergy |
| 03:26:29 | Hellaenergy | whats up brotherman? |
| 03:26:37 | Hellaenergy | How is the sysadmin life? |
| 03:26:38 | roge99 | not a whole lot |
| 03:26:53 | kergoth | re all |
| 03:26:54 | roge99 | workn ..... as usual |
| 03:26:59 | roge99 | hey kergoth |
| 03:27:14 | Hellaenergy | I have been #$@% with java env setups for the last couple of days |
| 03:27:45 | kergoth | i think ill install E 0.17 n check it out. kwin's gettin old |
| 03:27:46 | kergoth | yawns |
| 03:28:17 | Hellaenergy | kergoth: what are you talking about? |
| 03:28:39 | kergoth | Hellaenergy: window managers.. the default kde one is getting boring, so im gonna try somethin new |
| 03:30:25 | Hellaenergy | ah |
| 03:30:38 | roge99 | kergoth: is 17 out ? or just CVS |
| 03:30:41 | kergoth | just cvs |
| 03:30:44 | kergoth | but its so pretty |
| 03:30:46 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:30:57 | kergoth | seriously, the env looks very nice. i look forward to it becoming stable |
| 03:31:21 | roge99 | mmmmm i may just have to check it out myself |
| 03:31:43 | Hellaenergy | I like Ximiam its convient :) |
| 03:31:50 | kergoth | roge99: be advised the configuration interface sucks atm. I havent figured out how to run epplets in it yet. hehe. |
| 03:32:04 | Hellaenergy | gnome rocks |
| 03:32:06 | kergoth | Hellaenergy: yeah gnome and kde are nifty. i usually run kde, liquid style |
| 03:32:18 | Hellaenergy | g-t-k all the way |
| 03:32:25 | BigBoss | yuck |
| 03:32:27 | kergoth | bah |
| 03:32:31 | kergoth | what channel are you in man? |
| 03:32:34 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:32:35 | Hellaenergy | qt for you BigBoss? |
| 03:32:39 | roge99 | yea by the time i find some time to do it it'll be fixed ! |
| 03:32:49 | Hellaenergy | :) |
| 03:32:53 | kergoth | i use gtk or qt.. depends on whether the app in question is c or c++ |
| 03:32:56 | kergoth | brb |
| 03:33:45 | Hellaenergy | kergoth, roge99: Are you guys going to buy 5500's? |
| 03:34:14 | Hellaenergy | Opera is quiting, damb X |
| 03:34:20 | roge99 | i dont know yet |
| 03:34:36 | Hellaenergy | O pra that is |
| 03:35:01 | Hellaenergy | I bet whardier will be upset. |
| 03:35:08 | roge99 | i was thinken about it ... but if the 5000 runs all the apps OK ... then maybe ill keep it |
| 03:35:36 | Hellaenergy | I have that option as well, roge99. Feel just the same too. |
| 03:36:34 | Hellaenergy | I wish the 5500's had fpu's |
| 03:36:53 | Hellaenergy | I-want-tribes II. |
| 03:37:03 | BigBoss | then get it |
| 03:37:41 | Hellaenergy | you got it? |
| 03:37:44 | Hellaenergy | Good. |
| 03:39:03 | Hellaenergy | BigBoss: How are your sales latley with TheKompany.com? |
| 03:39:21 | Hellaenergy | They as good as that first day? |
| 03:40:24 | Hellaenergy | guess not. |
| 03:41:07 | Hellaenergy | roge99: Thanks for that DNS stuff. I Already had the chance to spread the love :) |
| 03:41:31 | roge99 | speakn of wich im just ading those domains now |
| 03:41:52 | Hellaenergy | really its workin like a charm anyways :\ |
| 03:43:43 | ljp_ | hmm |
| 03:44:16 | roge99 | Hellaenergy: ok ... all set |
| 03:44:54 | Hellaenergy | thanks |
| 03:58:07 | | ...but whardier is a jackass... |
| 03:58:07 | ljp_ | ibot: whardier is a punk |
| 03:58:17 | ljp_ | hehehe |
| 04:01:12 | ljp_ | zlib AKKK |
| 04:03:23 | kergoth | re |
| 04:09:23 | kendrick2 | barf! |
| 04:09:33 | kendrick2 | ok, now my sd card won't mount when i insert it! |
| 04:09:35 | kendrick2 | grumbles |
| 04:09:53 | nasa | Hi everyone |
| 04:10:18 | kergoth | sup nasa, kendrick2 |
| 04:10:26 | kendrick2 | waaah!!!! |
| 04:10:30 | nasa | I finally broke down and got a flash memory card reader/writer |
| 04:10:40 | nasa | what up kergoth |
| 04:10:45 | kendrick2 | how can i fix this sd card??? |
| 04:11:07 | kergoth | kendrick2: no idea, whatd ya do to it |
| 04:11:45 | kendrick2 | lessee... finally got 1.10sd rom working again |
| 04:11:52 | kendrick2 | then tried to do a backup of my old info off cf card |
| 04:11:58 | nasa | While we learn about kendrick2's problem, could someone tell me if the imation FlashGO! works with linux |
| 04:12:01 | kendrick2 | sat around for about 10mins at 0% and i decided enough was enough |
| 04:12:35 | kendrick2 | yanked it all out, tried reflashing the sd rom.. no luck |
| 04:12:37 | nasa | And if so, how do I set it up (some of us are really slow) |
| 04:12:38 | kendrick2 | lots of errors... |
| 04:13:00 | nasa | did you yank it out while it might have been reading/writing? |
| 04:13:09 | kendrick2 | yeah :) |
| 04:13:15 | kendrick2 | runs mkfs.ext2 on it one more time |
| 04:13:18 | kendrick2 | lessee if that fixes it |
| 04:13:23 | kergoth | nasa: its probably a standard usb flash device. modprobe usbstorage |
| 04:14:01 | roge99 | nasa: works fine |
| 04:14:03 | nasa | Yeah, I tried that -- and everything looked ok, but I can't find what device it is assigned to |
| 04:14:09 | kendrick2 | eek - gotta run! |
| 04:14:11 | kendrick2 | damnit |
| 04:14:20 | kendrick2 | brings zaurus and power adapter with him |
| 04:14:24 | kergoth | nasa: assigns standard scsi devices names.. eg. /dev/sda |
| 04:14:36 | roge99 | what card are you trying to mount |
| 04:14:48 | roge99 | cf works sd no good |
| 04:14:50 | nasa | a compactflash card |
| 04:14:57 | roge99 | yea should work fine |
| 04:15:06 | kendrick2 | crap: "mounting /dev/mmcda1 on /usr/mnt.rom/card failed: invalid argument" |
| 04:15:24 | kergoth | kendrick2: you forcing a fs type with -t? |
| 04:15:37 | kendrick2 | i tried that |
| 04:15:43 | kendrick2 | -t ext2fs right? |
| 04:15:53 | roge99 | nope |
| 04:15:55 | kendrick2 | oh whoops... |
| 04:15:57 | roge99 | ext2 |
| 04:16:02 | kendrick2 | you sure? |
| 04:16:13 | kendrick2 | with 'ext2fs' i get "no such device", vs. "invalid argument" |
| 04:16:14 | kendrick2 | help! :) |
| 04:16:17 | kergoth | kendrick2: bah |
| 04:16:20 | kergoth | kendrick2: its -t ext2 |
| 04:16:27 | kergoth | kendrick2: or dont use -t, and let the kernel try to pick it up |
| 04:16:27 | kendrick2 | ok :) well.. invalid arg :) |
| 04:17:03 | kendrick2 | can i fsck w/o it mounted? |
| 04:17:11 | NeoTron | ack |
| 04:17:14 | NeoTron | no Angel tonight |
| 04:17:25 | NeoTron | and I have no clue when it's supposed to be on agaon |
| 04:17:31 | NeoTron | sugar elite that sucks |
| 04:17:33 | kergoth | kendrick2: you shouldnt have it mounted when you fsck |
| 04:17:48 | NeoTron | oh dang it |
| 04:18:14 | nasa | What device should I mount it with -- I thought something like mount -t vfat /dev/sda /mnt/cf would work, but it gives me a "not a valid block device" error |
| 04:18:15 | NeoTron | sugar elite that sucks |
| 04:18:16 | Sugar | NeoTron: t|-|a7 z|_|><z |
| 04:18:44 | roge99 | sda1 |
| 04:18:58 | nasa | same error |
| 04:19:01 | roge99 | nasa do a dmesg |
| 04:19:02 | kendrick2 | tries restarting qtopia |
| 04:19:07 | roge99 | see if it shows up |
| 04:19:31 | kendrick2 | reboots... |
| 04:19:31 | roge99 | do you have usb mass storage built for your kernel |
| 04:19:35 | kendrick2 | maybe cardmgr got borked |
| 04:19:38 | nasa | I have it as a module |
| 04:19:58 | nasa | And dmesg shows "hub.c: USB new device connect on bus1/2/4, assigned device number 11 |
| 04:19:58 | nasa | WARNING: USB Mass Storage data integrity not assured |
| 04:19:58 | nasa | USB Mass Storage device found at 11 |
| 04:20:16 | kendrick2 | damn... still doesnt mount sd card!!! |
| 04:20:39 | kendrick2 | ok - e2fsck working |
| 04:20:41 | kendrick2 | runs |
| 04:21:52 | nasa | also /proc/scsi/usb-storage-0/2 shows the following: |
| 04:22:04 | nasa | Host scsi2: usb-storage |
| 04:22:04 | nasa | Vendor: Imation |
| 04:22:04 | nasa | Product: FlashGO! |
| 04:22:04 | nasa | Serial Number: None |
| 04:22:04 | nasa | Protocol: Transparent SCSI |
| 04:22:05 | nasa | Transport: Bulk |
| 04:22:06 | nasa | GUID: 0718b0000000000000000000 |
| 04:22:09 | nasa | Attached: Yes |
| 04:22:22 | nasa | So it seems to be there |
| 04:22:25 | NeoTron | decides to make SA use PNG. |
| 04:22:28 | kergoth | nasa: cat /proc/devices|grep sd |
| 04:23:11 | nasa | Nothing shows up with that |
| 04:23:27 | kergoth | odd |
| 04:23:28 | BZFlag | that's what happens if you have a flash device on usb without a flash card in it iirc. |
| 04:23:33 | kergoth | yawns |
| 04:23:39 | kergoth | hey BZFlag, how goes it |
| 04:23:53 | BZFlag | remove and reinsert the card on the device? |
| 04:24:14 | BZFlag | kergoth: fine fine. how's the new build engine coming? you started with buildd? |
| 04:24:30 | nasa | Just tried that with no better results |
| 04:24:44 | BZFlag | any messages when the card in inserted? |
| 04:24:46 | kergoth | BZFlag: nah, I havent done ANY development work in weeks.. busy as hell |
| 04:25:02 | nasa | No, nothing |
| 04:25:14 | roge99 | cat /proc/scsi/scsi |
| 04:25:16 | nasa | I looked in /var/log/messages and /var/log/syslog |
| 04:25:19 | BZFlag | hmm.. I think you should get some sort of message on that. |
| 04:25:33 | BZFlag | don't have a device here to test though. |
| 04:25:43 | nasa | Attached devices: |
| 04:25:43 | nasa | Host: scsi0 Channel: 00 Id: 02 Lun: 00 |
| 04:25:43 | nasa | Vendor: PIONEER Model: DVD-ROM DVD-303R Rev: 2.00 |
| 04:25:43 | nasa | Type: CD-ROM ANSI SCSI revision: 02 |
| 04:25:44 | nasa | Host: scsi1 Channel: 00 Id: 00 Lun: 00 |
| 04:25:44 | nasa | Vendor: PLEXTOR Model: CD-R PX-W1210A Rev: 1.00 |
| 04:25:46 | nasa | Type: CD-ROM ANSI SCSI revision: 02 |
| 04:25:48 | nasa | Host: scsi2 Channel: 00 Id: 00 Lun: 00 |
| 04:25:50 | nasa | Vendor: OEI-USB Model: CompactFlash Rev: 1.09 |
| 04:25:52 | nasa | Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 |
| 04:26:11 | ][N-Flux | mandrake in money trouble |
| 04:26:14 | kergoth | nasa: cat /proc/devices, check if it grabbed sda |
| 04:26:15 | ][N-Flux | sad |
| 04:26:17 | nasa | that's the results of the cat /proc/scsi/scsi |
| 04:26:20 | kergoth | ][N-Flux: are they? |
| 04:26:21 | BZFlag | ahh. and fdisk -l ? or fdisk /dev/sdc ? |
| 04:26:39 | ][N-Flux | http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/mdkfuture.php3 |
| 04:27:00 | nasa | No, sda is not listed |
| 04:29:10 | BZFlag | are any sd* devices listed in fdisk -l ? |
| 04:29:51 | nasa | fdisk -l, doesn't return anything |
| 04:30:21 | BZFlag | are you root? |
| 04:30:26 | nasa | yes |
| 04:30:43 | BZFlag | ok, cat /proc/partitions? |
| 04:31:08 | nasa | Ok, this is ugly -- |
| 04:31:15 | nasa | 22 0 13260240 ide/host0/bus1/target0/lun0/disc 9455 33001 339569 3786420 47259 171822 1754408 4510940 0 10038100 27776552 |
| 04:31:15 | nasa | 22 1 4377681 ide/host0/bus1/target0/lun0/part1 11 0 11 30 0 0 0 0 0 30 30 |
| 04:31:15 | nasa | 22 2 1 ide/host0/bus1/target0/lun0/part2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 |
| 04:31:15 | nasa | 22 3 4498200 ide/host0/bus1/target0/lun0/part3 7468 6485 111618 446800 41240 169402 1686896 4502530 0 316420 4952590 |
| 04:31:16 | nasa | 22 5 1815313 ide/host0/bus1/target0/lun0/part5 1947 26516 227714 3339350 6018 2420 67504 8410 2 1684230 3348600 |
| 04:31:18 | nasa | 22 6 2562336 ide/host0/bus1/target0/lun0/part6 29 0 226 240 1 0 8 0 0 240 240 |
| 04:31:21 | nasa | 3 0 58615704 ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/disc 50845 179944 793041 1181950 68285 183030 1110108 8764230 -2 11719090 29432972 |
| 04:31:24 | nasa | 3 1 20884468 ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1 101 0 101 510 0 0 0 0 0 510 510 |
| 04:31:26 | nasa | 3 2 9847845 ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part2 106 0 842 980 8 3 88 10 0 990 990 |
| 04:31:28 | nasa | 3 3 25607610 ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part3 32184 22900 440666 722260 50956 49993 807880 6678350 0 361020 7402780 |
| 04:31:30 | nasa | 3 4 1 ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 |
| 04:31:32 | nasa | 3 5 1743021 ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part5 18445 156994 350960 458140 17307 132908 300972 2085550 0 242460 2553430 |
| 04:31:36 | nasa | 3 6 530113 ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part6 9 50 472 60 14 126 1168 320 0 150 380 |
| 04:31:53 | kergoth | BZFlag: shouldve had him grep out the major # of the scsi devices.. hehe |
| 04:32:02 | BZFlag | heh |
| 04:32:17 | kergoth | nasa: thats it..? |
| 04:32:23 | nasa | Yeah |
| 04:32:24 | BZFlag | nasa: anything scsi in there? |
| 04:32:47 | kergoth | mutters |
| 04:32:49 | BZFlag | modprobe scsi_mod ? modprobe sd_mod ? |
| 04:33:00 | nasa | No |
| 04:33:09 | BZFlag | er scsi_module. |
| 04:33:11 | kergoth | BZFlag: you run debian right? you have any idea how kdm generates its list of session types (ex. blackbox, failsafe, default, etc)? |
| 04:33:27 | nasa | I only have the 1 scsi cdrw drive and an using emulation for the other cdrom drive |
| 04:33:44 | BZFlag | kergoth: hmm... I dug into that once... let me look. |
| 04:33:54 | kergoth | nasa: its like it isnt picking up your card at all, just the reader. odd |
| 04:34:18 | kergoth | BZFlag: k, thanks. trying to add E 0.17 to the session list ;-) |
| 04:37:42 | nasa | Yes, this all seems odd |
| 04:38:30 | BZFlag | kergoth: hmm... I though update-menus did it, but it does not seem to. |
| 04:39:18 | BZFlag | nasa: got any scsi disks? (ie: not discs ;-) |
| 04:39:34 | kergoth | BZFlag: hmm k, ill keep looking. stupid man page just says it uses the menu system, not how it uses it. hehe. |
| 04:39:37 | BZFlag | is sd compiled into you kernel? |
| 04:40:00 | nasa | As in disk drives, -- no I don't. And what exactly is sd? |
| 04:40:22 | roge99 | scsi disk |
| 04:40:52 | nasa | I might not, hold on while I check |
| 04:41:48 | BZFlag | kergoth: you are after adding it via install script, right? not just by hand? by hand is easy. |
| 04:42:31 | kergoth | BZFlag: yeah I'm altering the debian package for e17 to properly add itself to the menu system so that kdm catches it and adds it as a session type.. i'd rather not pursue a hacked solution ;-) |
| 04:43:59 | nasa | I just insmod sd_mod, and I can now fdisk /dev/sda -- which is FAT16 |
| 04:44:50 | BZFlag | kergoth: are you calling "update-alternatives --install ..." ? that might be enough. |
| 04:45:15 | BZFlag | nasa: woohoo! yer done then, yes? |
| 04:45:29 | nasa | Almost -- one more stupid question |
| 04:45:29 | kergoth | BZFlag: well, i dont want to supplant the current window-manager, i just want an additional session |
| 04:45:37 | nasa | does vfat work with fat16? |
| 04:45:38 | kergoth | BZFlag: so i dunno if the alternatives link will help |
| 04:45:48 | kergoth | nasa: vfat = fat32 |
| 04:45:56 | BZFlag | kergoth: right. add it as a lower or equal priority and it will not replace the default. |
| 04:46:07 | nasa | Damn, need to recompile kernel!!! |
| 04:46:32 | kergoth | BZFlag: ah, doh, good point. wonder if thats all it does to generate the list.... ill try it |
| 04:46:33 | BZFlag | vfat will handle fat32, fat16, etc. |
| 04:46:58 | ljp_ | anybody ever read 'War and Peace"? |
| 04:47:02 | nasa | Strangest thing -- I have the fat module, but when I try to mount using it I get a fs type fat not supported by kernel |
| 04:47:13 | BZFlag | vfat == fat + long file names. 16/32/etc is not relevant. |
| 04:47:33 | roge99 | -t msdos |
| 04:47:34 | BZFlag | nasa: modprobe fat? modprobe vfat? etc? |
| 04:47:39 | BZFlag | -t vfat |
| 04:47:41 | kergoth | BZFlag: ah |
| 04:47:42 | nasa | And vfat gives me a wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda |
| 04:47:54 | roge99 | try no -t |
| 04:48:10 | roge99 | /dev/sda1 |
| 04:48:40 | nasa | My bad -- /dev/sda1 was the trick |
| 04:50:02 | nasa | Thanks a lot guys -- it all seems good now! |
| 04:51:22 | BZFlag | kergoth: from my experience, you would have to have E installed before installing kdm. I don't think it should be that way, but I think that's what I've seen. |
| 04:52:03 | kergoth | BZFlag: odd. |
| 04:52:28 | BZFlag | seems to me that should all be spawned from update-menus, but I have not figured it it's actually a bug or just a non-feature. |
| 04:52:39 | ljp_ | can anyone clue me in on how to reduce memory consumption when trying to open large text files in my app? |
| 04:54:00 | ljp_ | weird, very weird |
| 04:54:52 | BZFlag | mmap the text file? ;-) jk |
| 04:56:00 | ljp_ | hmm.. really? I've never used mmap before. |
| 04:56:22 | BZFlag | no not really. editing an mmap()ed text file would be very slow. |
| 04:56:42 | ljp_ | opening a 3mb text file.. comsumes over 20 mb and once opened settles into 10+ |
| 04:56:48 | BZFlag | and I don't think you can mmap() a file on jffs2 at present anyway? I could be wrong. |
| 04:57:16 | BZFlag | ljp_: how are you reading it? how do you store it in memory? |
| 04:59:10 | ljp_ | I'm using QTextStream into QString in a Qmultilineedit |
| 05:00:23 | ljp_ | I didn't realize it took so much memory to open a textfile |
| 05:02:34 | ljp_ | I guess maybe 'War and Peace" should not be read on a pda |
| 05:02:54 | kendrick2 | tried dd'ing /dev/zero to /dev/mmcda1 |
| 05:03:01 | kendrick2 | z seems locked up :^/ |
| 05:03:21 | kendrick2 | ideas? |
| 05:04:29 | kendrick2 | hmm |
| 05:06:29 | | kendrick2: what? |
| 05:06:29 | kendrick2 | ibot: dd |
| 05:06:39 | kendrick2 | *sigh* |
| 05:06:49 | | fusion94-: what? |
| 05:06:49 | fusion94- | ibot: DD |
| 05:07:15 | BZFlag | kendrick2: it's possible that it's not locked up but will just take a long time to return. |
| 05:07:21 | kendrick2 | feh |
| 05:07:26 | kendrick2 | you coulda said that 5 seconds ago |
| 05:07:33 | kendrick2 | before i switched it off :) |
| 05:07:51 | kendrick2 | i think i may need to use fdisk |
| 05:07:53 | BZFlag | there are some reports that mmc driver is erasing and rewriting blocks much more than it should. |
| 05:07:56 | kendrick2 | which, unfortunately, i dont have |
| 05:08:37 | BZFlag | cat /proc/partitions after inserting to see. |
| 05:09:02 | BZFlag | ljp_: you are editing this file? or just viewing? |
| 05:09:16 | BZFlag | there should be some easy ways to fix things if you are just viewing. |
| 05:09:22 | | fusion94-: i don't know |
| 05:09:22 | fusion94- | ibot: dd ? |
| 05:09:50 | kendrick2 | what am i looking for in partitions? |
| 05:10:42 | fusion94- | damn ibot |
| 05:10:45 | | somebody said dd was `dd': Convert and copy a file `dd' copies a file (from standard input to standard output, by default) with a changeable I/O block size, while optionally performing conversions on it. 'info dd' for more info |
| 05:10:45 | fusion94- | ibot: dd |
| 05:10:50 | kergoth | BZFlag: thanks. that was it, it uses both x-window-manager and x-session-manager to produce the SessionTypes |
| 05:11:50 | BZFlag | scan the file for line start offsets, save that array, and then getline any lines "near" where the user is reading. |
| 05:11:51 | BZFlag | course if it's xml/html that's not practical, as markup would be skipped too. |
| 05:12:01 | kendrick2 | e2fsck sez: could this be a zero-length partition? |
| 05:15:39 | kendrick2 | man,,, i can mkfs.ext2 this til the cows come home |
| 05:15:45 | kendrick2 | but it never edns up working right |
| 05:16:58 | kendrick2 | tries again & reboots |
| 05:17:06 | kendrick2 | i think i need an sd card reader now :) |
| 05:17:57 | kendrick2 | fscks |
| 05:22:23 | kendrick2 | so what can i do? :^( |
| 05:23:08 | kendrick2 | i guess i'll try fdisk when i get back home |
| 05:23:39 | kendrick2 | re kerg |
| 05:23:48 | kergoth | re |
| 05:23:51 | BZFlag | kendrick2: did you look at /proc/partitions? |
| 05:24:03 | kendrick2 | currently, it only shows mmcda now :^( |
| 05:25:58 | kendrick2 | ok, remove & reinsert fixed |
| 05:31:45 | kendrick2 | how long would dd take on a 64MB SD |
| 05:31:53 | kendrick2 | and should the whole z freeze up while it's going on? |
| 05:33:53 | BZFlag | don't know. try a dd bs=512 count=10 first and time it. |
| 05:34:19 | kendrick2 | i wanna do it to mmcda1 not mmcda, right?> |
| 05:35:06 | BZFlag | then compare a dd bs=65536 count=1 to a dd bs=512 count=128 and see if block size makes a big difference. |
| 05:35:20 | kendrick2 | :) |
| 05:35:27 | BZFlag | yes, you want mmcda1, not mmcda |
| 05:35:44 | kendrick2 | woah.. no space left on device |
| 05:35:57 | BZFlag | to really get times right you should do a sync after the dd. |
| 05:36:12 | BZFlag | cat /proc/partitions | grep mmcda1 shows what? |
| 05:36:34 | kendrick2 | 60 1 60908 ,,cda1 |
| 05:36:36 | BZFlag | heh, I suppose grep mmcda1 /proc/partitions would be easier. ;-) |
| 05:37:48 | BZFlag | hmm... that should be 60M or so. what caused the no space message? |
| 05:37:54 | kendrick2 | dd |
| 05:38:01 | kendrick2 | popping it out and back in fixed >:^( |
| 05:38:04 | BZFlag | yeah, I mean what command line. |
| 05:38:22 | kendrick2 | bs=512 count=128 (& count=1) |
| 05:38:47 | BZFlag | woah. something is not right that's for sure. |
| 05:38:53 | kendrick2 | so do i want bs * count == to 60908 * 1024 ? |
| 05:40:10 | BZFlag | yeah, or over. |
| 05:40:21 | kendrick2 | so like, bs=1024 count=65536 |
| 05:40:26 | BZFlag | oh! you unmounted it first? ie: it's not mounted now? |
| 05:40:47 | kendrick2 | cant mount! |
| 05:40:54 | BZFlag | ok. |
| 05:41:11 | BZFlag | hmm... ls -l /dev/mmcda1 it's a device file, right? |
| 05:41:36 | BZFlag | 60,1 ? |
| 05:41:57 | kendrick2 | brw-r--r-- 1 root root 60, 1 Feb 4 2002 /dev/mmcda1 |
| 05:43:40 | kendrick2 | watches sysinfo |
| 05:43:49 | kendrick2 | even if z stops responding, it seems to still update :) |
| 05:45:02 | BZFlag | well, what are you going to do after erasing it? |
| 05:45:38 | kendrick2 | fdisk? |
| 05:46:02 | BZFlag | fdisk reads /dev/mmcda not mmcda1 |
| 05:46:14 | kendrick2 | blinks |
| 05:47:47 | kendrick2 | can i mkfs after dd'ing it? |
| 05:48:13 | BZFlag | should not matter to mkfs. if you can mkfs now, then no need to dd. |
| 05:48:41 | BZFlag | if not, here's a file to dd there.... http://rikers.org/tmp/kendrick2.gz |
| 05:48:56 | kendrick2 | mkfs was succeeding, but mpunt kept showing it was vfat |
| 05:48:58 | BZFlag | it's a dosfs that's the same size as your /dev/mmcda1 |
| 05:49:02 | kendrick2 | (i tried that, too :) ) |
| 05:49:05 | kendrick2 | ok cool thx |
| 05:49:20 | kendrick2 | i'm at a friend's house right now... i'll wget it now tho :) |
| 05:49:21 | kendrick2 | thx |
| 05:51:02 | kendrick2 | la la la |
| 05:51:18 | BZFlag | mkdosfs should build a fat16 image for that sized drive. |
| 05:51:18 | BZFlag | is that what the install wants? or does it need to be fat12? |
| 05:51:44 | BZFlag | looks it up. yes, fat16 is right. |
| 05:52:28 | kendrick2 | 110sd rom wants ext2 |
| 05:53:22 | BZFlag | ah, you are trying ext2 on it... ok. new upload... ;-) |
| 05:53:57 | kendrick2 | ;) |
| 05:55:14 | BZFlag | k. uploaded the same file as ext2 |
| 05:55:19 | kendrick2 | ok |
| 05:55:59 | BZFlag | it's like 60k ;-) |
| 05:56:03 | ][N-Flux | http://newtown.hi-ho.ne.jp/raibo/raidersei/image/agency/cm/mail.swf |
| 05:56:08 | ][N-Flux | HRmmmmm |
| 05:56:16 | kendrick2 | whassat? |
| 05:56:28 | ][N-Flux | I wish I knew |
| 05:56:30 | kendrick2 | (on a windows laptop.. dont wanna screw with ie :) ) |
| 05:56:31 | ][N-Flux | just watch it |
| 05:56:37 | kendrick2 | oh.. cant |
| 05:56:42 | ][N-Flux | odd flash |
| 05:57:07 | kendrick2 | ok. dd finished |
| 05:57:15 | kendrick2 | no space left :^/ |
| 05:58:12 | kendrick2 | ok... trying mkfs.ext2 |
| 05:58:29 | BZFlag | is watching it on debian netscape |
| 05:58:50 | BZFlag | wait... sync |
| 05:59:05 | BZFlag | well, I suppose sync after mkfs is fine. |
| 05:59:28 | BZFlag | the one after mkfs is really the important one before you eject the card. |
| 06:00:27 | BZFlag | wierd. I like the pink bear. |
| 06:00:34 | kendrick2 | i couldnt mkfs without ejecting |
| 06:00:41 | kendrick2 | so i believe i sync'd first :) then suspended |
| 06:00:54 | kendrick2 | then ejected, then unsuspended, then reinserted |
| 06:01:07 | kendrick2 | cant mount :( |
| 06:01:33 | kendrick2 | (invalid argument) |
| 06:01:35 | kendrick2 | now what? :) |
| 06:02:19 | BZFlag | got fsck ? |
| 06:02:25 | kendrick2 | mmhmm |
| 06:02:36 | kendrick2 | e2fsck or fsck.ext2 ? |
| 06:04:32 | kendrick2 | shall i try fsck.ext2 /dev/mmcda1 ? |
| 06:05:29 | BZFlag | either. sure. |
| 06:05:32 | kendrick2 | ok |
| 06:05:44 | kendrick2 | "zero-length partition?" |
| 06:06:08 | kendrick2 | not in /proc/partitions >:^( |
| 06:06:13 | kendrick2 | tries yanking & reinserting |
| 06:07:09 | kendrick2 | ok - how the hell do i have bad inodes & crap on something i just dd'd zero onto!? |
| 06:08:48 | kendrick2 | shit... every time i run fsck, it asks me awbout the same things i think :( |
| 06:12:06 | kendrick2 | runs off |
| 06:12:10 | kendrick2 | ill try again when i get home |
| 06:12:11 | kendrick2 | thx |
| 06:47:35 | roge99_sleep | is away: sleeping ZzzzZZZzz |
| 07:09:13 | kend | i feel like a moron |
| 07:09:24 | kend | where's dns stuff stored under linux? |
| 07:10:11 | kend | herm |
| 07:10:23 | kend | brb |
| 07:15:22 | scanline | shouts /etc/resolv.conf while kend isn't looking |
| 07:35:38 | kendrick2 | bzflag? |
| 07:36:02 | kendrick2 | how can i dd this file? |
| 07:36:08 | kendrick2 | does dd support gzip!? :) |
| 07:36:56 | kendrick2 | i have a working vfat filesystem on the sd card now |
| 07:37:10 | kendrick2 | but when i do a 'mke2fs' on /dev/mmcda1 it doesn't seem to do anything! |
| 07:37:18 | kendrick2 | and if i try to e2fsck it, i still get all the same errors! |
| 07:37:26 | kendrick2 | but it mounted fine as vfat |
| 07:37:32 | kendrick2 | HELP! |
| 07:37:52 | | kendrick2: i'm not following you... |
| 07:37:52 | kendrick2 | ibot: e2fs |
| 07:37:55 | | kendrick2: what? |
| 07:37:55 | kendrick2 | ibot: ext2fs |
| 07:37:59 | | it has been said that dd is `dd': Convert and copy a file `dd' copies a file (from standard input to standard output, by default) with a changeable I/O block size, while optionally performing conversions on it. 'info dd' for more info |
| 07:37:59 | kendrick2 | ibot: dd |
| 07:38:07 | kergoth | kendrick2: um, start over |
| 07:38:12 | kergoth | kendrick2: what do you need to do with dd? |
| 07:38:30 | kendrick2 | bzflag sent me a blank ext2fs filesystem to slap on my sd card |
| 07:38:38 | kendrick2 | buut... it's 64MB, so i dont really have anywhere i can put it |
| 07:38:43 | kendrick2 | (it's 60K, gzipped) |
| 07:38:47 | kergoth | ah |
| 07:39:08 | kergoth | cat filename | gunzip -dcf | dd of=/dev/blah bs=blocksize |
| 07:39:16 | kendrick2 | oh! doh! :) |
| 07:39:21 | kendrick2 | i forgot youc an leave out if=/of= crap |
| 07:39:26 | kergoth | :-) |
| 07:39:31 | kergoth | defaults to stdin/stdout respectively |
| 07:39:35 | kendrick2 | what should i give as bs? |
| 07:39:41 | kergoth | dunno |
| 07:39:49 | kergoth | what bs did you use when you zerod it/ |
| 07:39:55 | kergoth | doubt it matters |
| 07:39:56 | kendrick2 | 512 i believe |
| 07:39:57 | kergoth | yawns |
| 07:39:59 | kergoth | try that then |
| 07:40:01 | kendrick2 | ok... lemme go try :) |
| 07:40:02 | kendrick2 | thx |
| 07:40:06 | kergoth | k |
| 07:40:06 | kergoth | np |
| 07:49:06 | kend-afk | well |
| 07:49:14 | kendrick2 | can't exactly mout my cf card to grab the dd file |
| 07:49:19 | kendrick2 | not from repairfs mode :) |
| 07:49:28 | kendrick2 | needs to drop 1.11 back on it and try /again/ |
| 07:50:03 | kendrick2 | goes to flash ... AGAIN ;) |
| 08:44:14 | henrik | Does opera on the Z support ssl? |
| 08:47:18 | kend-afk | yes |
| 08:47:35 | kendrick2 | even shows you a little meter with the level of security the site uses :) |
| 08:47:44 | kendrick2 | ok - anyone know how to fix an sd card? |
| 08:47:53 | kendrick2 | i ran fdisk.. i made it one big linux partition |
| 08:47:58 | henrik | good.. two more q's: do they use openssl, and is it dynamically linked? |
| 08:48:02 | kendrick2 | i've run mke2fs and mkfs.ext2 on the thing 100s of times |
| 08:48:09 | kendrick2 | henrik - dunno & dunno |
| 08:48:18 | henrik | (i.e. can you find a openssl*.so somewhere) |
| 08:48:40 | kendrick2 | now, when i try to reinstall paul's 1.10-sd-patched rom, i get "An error occurred while checking the filesystem on the SD card." >:^( |
| 08:48:44 | kendrick2 | henrik - not right now, i can't ;) |
| 08:48:56 | henrik | hehe |
| 08:49:53 | henrik | what happens if you use fat on the sd card (i probably have no idea what i'm talking about.. feel free to ignore me) |
| 08:50:04 | kendrick2 | then i can't install paul's rom : |
| 08:50:31 | kendrick2 | linux boxes don't do too well on filesystems that, for example, dont have symblinks or permissions/ownership ;) |
| 08:50:44 | henrik | true :) |
| 08:51:01 | kergoth | henrik: dont know what ssl lib opera uses, but whatever it is, its staticly linked |
| 08:51:18 | kergoth | kendrick2: mkfs.ext2 should work ... should display its progress as it creates the fs.. |
| 08:51:22 | henrik | crap. means i have to include another one. |
| 08:51:25 | kendrick2 | yeah...it does |
| 08:51:32 | kendrick2 | and it appears to be happy |
| 08:51:38 | kendrick2 | but reboot, and voila! same error :^( |
| 08:51:51 | kendrick2 | and i can't mount it (not that i can do much of ANYthing under 'repair fs' mode :^( ) |
| 08:52:17 | kendrick2 | i wanna 'mkfs.ext2' on /dev/mmcda1 right? not /dev/mmcda (no 1) |
| 08:52:33 | kergoth | kendrick2: mmcda1 for the first partition on mmcda, yes |
| 08:52:40 | kendrick2 | damnit :( |
| 08:52:51 | catalin | kendrick2: do you get any error during mkfs ? |
| 08:53:02 | kergoth | kendrick2: tried leaving out the -t and letting the kenrel pick up the fs on mount? |
| 08:53:12 | kendrick2 | nothing but "done"s |
| 08:53:17 | kergoth | henrik: yes. (eg. konq/e requires libssl 0.9.6) |
| 08:53:18 | kendrick2 | kerg - yes |
| 08:53:47 | kendrick2 | i get 'invalid argument' when trying to mount |
| 08:54:03 | kendrick2 | (of course, i'm in repairfs mode... 1.10-sd rom is trying to install itself.. waiting for me to fix the sd card :^( ) |
| 08:54:10 | catalin | kendrick: did you try fsck'ing it right after mkfs ? |
| 08:54:26 | kendrick2 | lemme try |
| 08:54:34 | kergoth | kendrick2: you did sync sync sync prior to card removal or reboot right? |
| 08:54:52 | kendrick2 | syncing my brains out :) |
| 08:55:05 | kendrick2 | runs fsck.ext2 /dev/mmcda1 |
| 08:55:17 | henrik | kergoth: hmm.. ok. |
| 08:55:19 | kendrick2 | "Could this be a zero length partition?" |
| 08:55:27 | catalin | huh ? |
| 08:55:32 | kendrick2 | only way i've seen to fix that is to eject & reinsert the card :^( |
| 08:55:45 | kendrick2 | it vanishes from /proc/partitions ! |
| 08:55:57 | catalin | geez |
| 08:56:02 | kendrick2 | ideas? |
| 08:56:03 | kergoth | kendrick2: um, thats odd. |
| 08:56:08 | kendrick2 | tell me about it |
| 08:56:17 | kendrick2 | yes, and i checked to make sure the sd card wasn't in 'lock' position ;) |
| 08:56:20 | kergoth | kendrick2: it shouldnt do that unless you did the mkfs.ext2 on mmcda, not mmcda1 |
| 08:56:21 | kergoth | lol |
| 08:56:33 | kendrick2 | newp |
| 08:56:36 | kergoth | kendrick2: welp, sorry, but im out of ideas. sleep time for me, i have to get up 3 hours from now |
| 08:56:40 | kendrick2 | :^P |
| 08:56:43 | kendrick2 | sleep shmeep |
| 08:56:44 | kendrick2 | hehe |
| 08:56:46 | kendrick2 | thx for your help |
| 08:56:51 | kendrick2 | catalin - gonna be around? |
| 08:56:53 | catalin | kendrick: did you try with another card ? |
| 08:56:54 | kergoth | kendrick2: good luck with it, let me know how it goes |
| 08:57:03 | kendrick2 | no other card to try with :( |
| 08:57:07 | catalin | yes, I'm gonna be around for the next 12 hours or so :) |
| 08:57:11 | kendrick2 | ok - brb |
| 09:01:03 | kendrick2 | re |
| 09:01:11 | kendrick2 | so now what? :) |
| 09:01:26 | catalin | is thinking |
| 09:01:49 | kendrick2 | is there something more low-level than the partition table that i coulda fucked up? |
| 09:02:02 | catalin | is it working if you format it fat ? |
| 09:02:02 | kendrick2 | with all my ejecting, powering off, dd'ing, fsck'ing, etc., i've done to the card today? |
| 09:02:11 | kendrick2 | last i saw, yeah :) |
| 09:02:21 | kendrick2 | i went "HORRAY! It's WORKING again!" |
| 09:02:24 | catalin | could you check again ? do it for me :) |
| 09:02:32 | kendrick2 | then tried mkfs.ext2'ing it, and it didn't /DO/ anything |
| 09:02:34 | kendrick2 | ok.. hang on |
| 09:02:38 | kendrick2 | i need to reinstall 1.11 rom |
| 09:02:39 | kendrick2 | <sigh> |
| 09:03:13 | catalin | I tried ext2 with both CF and SD (MMC actually) and it worked just fine |
| 09:04:04 | catalin | oddly, the CF won't umount/eject anymore after installing some apps on it :( |
| 09:04:22 | kendrick2 | uh oh |
| 09:04:36 | kendrick2 | light go dark right away when i do c+d+reset |
| 09:05:34 | catalin | ?? |
| 09:06:23 | kendrick2 | stay lit only a sec or two |
| 09:07:01 | catalin | you mean the rom won't install anymore ? |
| 09:07:29 | kendrick2 | :( maaaybe |
| 09:07:38 | catalin | grmbl |
| 09:07:42 | kendrick2 | i moved it from "111/" subdir on cf |
| 09:07:54 | kendrick2 | and moved the "zImage"/"bootflag"/"initrd" stuff into "110sd/" |
| 09:07:57 | catalin | did you remove the SD before c+d+reset ? |
| 09:08:05 | kendrick2 | catalin.. no.. lemme try |
| 09:08:41 | kendrick2 | still does it :( |
| 09:08:45 | catalin | and you need to put all those file in the root of the cf filesystem, AFAIK |
| 09:08:50 | catalin | s/file/files |
| 09:09:33 | kendrick2 | maybe cuz it was "romimage" and not "ROMIMAGE" |
| 09:09:43 | kendrick2 | (tho once i move it TO the CF card, it gets named "romimage" <shrug>) |
| 09:09:47 | catalin | the case doesn't matter on fat |
| 09:09:50 | kendrick2 | (i also removed the 110sd stuff) |
| 09:10:13 | kendrick2 | WHEW! |
| 09:10:18 | kendrick2 | ok... 1.11 being installed |
| 09:10:25 | catalin | :) |
| 09:10:56 | kendrick2 | hey! you're the mod player guy! |
| 09:10:59 | kendrick2 | awesome! |
| 09:11:16 | kendrick2 | dl'able yet? |
| 09:11:19 | catalin | checking the screenies, eh ? :) |
| 09:11:34 | kendrick2 | indeed i am |
| 09:11:34 | catalin | nope, not download yet |
| 09:11:39 | kendrick2 | damn :) |
| 09:11:41 | kendrick2 | can't wait! :) |
| 09:11:50 | kendrick2 | i was quite disappointed when i tried the modplugin for mpegplayer and found it didn't work on the z |
| 09:11:53 | catalin | it will most likely be a commercial app sold by tkc |
| 09:12:01 | kendrick2 | right on :) |
| 09:12:04 | kendrick2 | (cheap i hope ;) ) |
| 09:12:10 | catalin | the modplugin was my main reason for writing modplayer |
| 09:12:15 | kendrick2 | heheheh |
| 09:12:16 | catalin | about 10 bucks or so |
| 09:12:22 | catalin | and it will be a full media player |
| 09:12:24 | kendrick2 | well worth it |
| 09:12:27 | kendrick2 | you work for tkc? |
| 09:12:37 | kendrick2 | really! so mpeg and mp3 and oggvorb, too? |
| 09:12:38 | catalin | yes, when I don't work for myself :) |
| 09:12:48 | kendrick2 | so is this for yourselv, or for tkc? |
| 09:12:52 | kendrick2 | (i'm guessing the former) |
| 09:12:53 | catalin | oggvrob is in works now |
| 09:13:11 | kendrick2 | whew! slow connection! :^( |
| 09:13:15 | catalin | it started as for myself then went co-branding with tkc |
| 09:13:22 | kendrick2 | cool |
| 09:13:31 | catalin | radio modem, 80Kbps up+down |
| 09:13:37 | kendrick2 | oh hey - you did alphaclock, eh? |
| 09:13:40 | kendrick2 | OUCH |
| 09:13:43 | catalin | yup |
| 09:13:46 | kendrick2 | put up fewer sshots, dude! |
| 09:13:55 | kendrick2 | at least i'm not eating your half of it |
| 09:14:14 | kendrick2 | on ADSL, if i go to upload a file (or were running a website), my entire thruput would be eaten up |
| 09:14:23 | catalin | ah, sorry, I was running an apt-get update |
| 09:14:39 | kendrick2 | [reset] [click] |
| 09:14:43 | kendrick2 | cat - np ;) |
| 09:14:57 | kendrick2 | runlevel 5, here i come! |
| 09:15:04 | catalin | hehe |
| 09:16:07 | kendrick2 | ok... back in qtopia |
| 09:16:18 | kendrick2 | walk me thru this |
| 09:16:26 | kendrick2 | should i run fdisk? or just mkfs.vfat? |
| 09:16:37 | catalin | mkfs.fat |
| 09:16:58 | kendrick2 | .vfat's all that's there, not .fat :) |
| 09:17:13 | kendrick2 | runs a bunch of 'sync's |
| 09:17:15 | kendrick2 | now what? |
| 09:17:25 | kendrick2 | try to mount? or just eject and reinsert? or? |
| 09:17:35 | catalin | try to mount it |
| 09:18:21 | kendrick2 | "invalid argument" |
| 09:18:32 | kendrick2 | ( mount /dev/mmcda1 ) |
| 09:18:42 | catalin | eek |
| 09:18:53 | kendrick2 | :) |
| 09:18:54 | catalin | does it even show up in /proc/partitions ? |
| 09:19:01 | kendrick2 | nope :) |
| 09:19:03 | kendrick2 | vanished... |
| 09:19:21 | catalin | eject/reinsert |
| 09:19:36 | catalin | hopes for some magic to happen any time soon :) |
| 09:19:43 | kendrick2 | ok, it's there |
| 09:19:53 | kendrick2 | "invalid argument" |
| 09:19:54 | catalin | it worked ? |
| 09:20:05 | catalin | argh |
| 09:20:11 | kendrick2 | it's in /proc/part..'s again |
| 09:20:33 | catalin | mount -t fat /dev/mmcda1 |
| 09:20:35 | catalin | ? |
| 09:21:18 | kendrick2 | failed ... "invalid arg" :( |
| 09:21:21 | catalin | do you happen to have a card reader ? |
| 09:21:26 | kendrick2 | only cf :( |
| 09:21:41 | catalin | :( |
| 09:21:50 | kendrick2 | :( indeed |
| 09:22:05 | catalin | dunno, man, looks to me like the card is dead |
| 09:22:06 | kendrick2 | wait! |
| 09:22:07 | kendrick2 | what's this! |
| 09:22:10 | catalin | ?? |
| 09:22:16 | kendrick2 | spies an sd icon on the taskbar now! :) |
| 09:22:22 | kendrick2 | musta popped up when i reinserted!? |
| 09:22:34 | kendrick2 | sees listed under 'mout' |
| 09:22:37 | kendrick2 | err.. mount |
| 09:22:41 | catalin | cool |
| 09:22:45 | kendrick2 | sees under storage |
| 09:22:49 | catalin | try 'df' |
| 09:22:52 | kendrick2 | (used: 592 kB, avail: 60184 kB) |
| 09:23:03 | catalin | it works ! |
| 09:23:08 | kendrick2 | 60776 free, 592 blocks used |
| 09:23:16 | catalin | umount /dev/mmcda1 |
| 09:23:26 | kendrick2 | err... sorry :) 60776 total, 592 used, 60184 free |
| 09:23:44 | kendrick2 | done.. [sd] icon vanished |
| 09:23:52 | kendrick2 | now to mkfs.ext2 /dev/mmcda1 right??? |
| 09:23:58 | catalin | mke2fs -m 0 /dev/mmcda1 |
| 09:24:32 | kendrick2 | "Could not erase block 0: attemt to write block from filesystem resulted in short write" |
| 09:24:47 | kendrick2 | everything else looked like it succeeded, incld. 'writing superblocks' |
| 09:24:57 | catalin | you didn't eject the card, did you ? |
| 09:24:59 | kendrick2 | no |
| 09:25:19 | catalin | the error message doesn't look right |
| 09:25:31 | kendrick2 | what can i check for? |
| 09:25:40 | catalin | e2fsck /dev/mmcda1 |
| 09:25:46 | kendrick2 | still sees mmcda1 in /proc/part's |
| 09:26:05 | catalin | it's ok to see it in /proc/part |
| 09:26:07 | kendrick2 | e2fsck complains: "Could this be a zero-length partition?" |
| 09:26:19 | kendrick2 | (tho it's 60912 blocks >:^( ) |
| 09:26:25 | catalin | great |
| 09:26:33 | kendrick2 | sarcasm? :) |
| 09:26:42 | catalin | maybe some blocks on the SD wore out ? |
| 09:26:51 | kendrick2 | nooo!!! |
| 09:26:58 | kendrick2 | already!? |
| 09:27:13 | catalin | dunno, just a wild guess |
| 09:27:20 | kendrick2 | any way to test for sure, btw? |
| 09:28:00 | catalin | dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/mmcda1 bs=1M count=64 |
| 09:28:16 | kendrick2 | that would be the test? :) |
| 09:28:24 | kendrick2 | dd hasn't been so nice to me this evening :) |
| 09:28:31 | catalin | the only one I can think of :) |
| 09:28:40 | kendrick2 | ok... well... now what can i do? |
| 09:29:14 | catalin | have dd sit in a corner for the rest of the day because it wasn't nice to you :) |
| 09:29:50 | kendrick2 | i just did a bnch of sync's |
| 09:29:56 | kendrick2 | i'm gonna try pulling the card out and reinserting |
| 09:30:00 | catalin | k |
| 09:30:00 | kendrick2 | worked for vfat <shrug> |
| 09:30:10 | kendrick2 | ooh! |
| 09:30:19 | kendrick2 | FUCK FUCK FUUUUCK! |
| 09:30:23 | kendrick2 | ok... sd card icon reappared |
| 09:30:29 | catalin | yay |
| 09:30:36 | catalin | what does 'mount' say ? |
| 09:30:37 | kendrick2 | but i check mount, and it shows it as 'type vfat' !!!!!! |
| 09:30:39 | kendrick2 | WTF! |
| 09:30:45 | catalin | listen: |
| 09:30:54 | kendrick2 | :) |
| 09:31:06 | kendrick2 | all i hear is your mod player in the background ;) |
| 09:31:22 | catalin | if the block 0 (the one that gave the error) wore out while the card was fat, it will always work with fat (well, sort of) |
| 09:31:49 | kendrick2 | but it's been ext2 for weeks, until today |
| 09:32:24 | catalin | maybe today was a good day to die ? |
| 09:32:28 | kendrick2 | ;) |
| 09:32:30 | catalin | ;) |
| 09:32:40 | kendrick2 | umounted, re-tried exact same mke2fs command |
| 09:32:42 | kendrick2 | no errors :^/ |
| 09:32:48 | catalin | geez |
| 09:33:10 | kendrick2 | 8^{ |
| 09:33:12 | catalin | mount -t ext2 /dev/mmcda1 ? |
| 09:33:15 | kendrick2 | still vfat! |
| 09:33:33 | catalin | try dd. really |
| 09:33:36 | kendrick2 | ! |
| 09:33:46 | kendrick2 | ok, that mount worked |
| 09:33:52 | kendrick2 | but it STILL shows up as vfat! |
| 09:33:56 | kendrick2 | tries rebooting for the hell of it |
| 09:36:03 | catalin | it looks to me like you have 3 options: 1. dd, 2. try another SD card, 3. get a SD reader |
| 09:37:01 | catalin | or talk to a mtd guru |
| 09:37:18 | kendrick2 | installs fdisk again ;) |
| 09:41:04 | kendrick2 | posts to zaurus-general |
| 09:42:09 | kendrick2 | fuck |
| 09:42:19 | kendrick2 | fdisk even still shows it's Linux (mode 83) |
| 09:42:20 | kendrick2 | >:^( |
| 09:42:56 | catalin | the partition type and fs type are two distinct things |
| 09:43:16 | kendrick2 | yeah... but just in case, you know? |
| 09:43:29 | kendrick2 | what was the dd command you had suggested? |
| 09:43:44 | catalin | dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/mmcda1 bs=1M count=64 |
| 09:44:03 | catalin | make sure the card is not mounted when running dd |
| 09:44:20 | kendrick2 | yeah.. did a umout /mnt/card |
| 09:44:34 | kendrick2 | any idea how long it'll take? |
| 09:45:06 | catalin | no idea |
| 09:45:25 | catalin | depends on the speed of the card |
| 09:46:04 | kendrick2 | ok - i'm gonan get ready for bed then |
| 09:46:05 | kendrick2 | bbiab |
| 09:46:12 | catalin | k |
| 09:46:15 | kend2-afk | in the meantime, thanks :) |
| 09:46:16 | kend2-afk | wish it luck :) |
| 09:46:28 | catalin | keeping my fingers crossed :) |
| 09:46:32 | catalin | you're welcome |
| 09:52:43 | Guest | The zaurus 5500 is now listed at amazon.com ! |
| 09:53:48 | kend2-afk | woo! |
| 09:54:02 | kend2-afk | well, the z is not responding to taps, but the cpu meter is still going |
| 09:54:06 | Guest | But amazon.de does not... :(( |
| 09:54:09 | kend2-afk | so i assume dd is still chugging along |
| 09:57:46 | kend2-afk | $500! woot! |
| 09:59:54 | kend2-afk | cat: "no space left on device" |
| 10:10:47 | kend2-afk | mke2fs didnt seem to do much :( |
| 10:10:49 | kend2-afk | reboots |
| 10:12:22 | kendrick2 | how can i still have mmcda partitions when the damned thing is ejected!? |
| 10:14:10 | kendrick2 | re bz |
| 10:14:12 | kendrick2 | no luck :( |
| 10:14:17 | kendrick2 | works as vfat |
| 10:14:21 | kendrick2 | no longer seems to work as ext2 |
| 10:15:08 | BZFlag | hmm. ah! partition type? |
| 10:15:19 | kendrick2 | linux |
| 10:15:28 | kendrick2 | shit :) |
| 10:15:37 | kendrick2 | it's like mke2fs isn't _doing_ anything |
| 10:17:26 | kendrick2 | gives up |
| 10:17:28 | kendrick2 | 2:30... time for bed :^P |
| 10:34:59 | scanline | is away: standing in the wet room |
| 11:06:13 | scanline | is away: ZzZzZzzzz |
| 11:32:56 | weimer | is away: I'm busy |
| 12:32:05 | bipolar | is back (gone 12:00:05) |
| 13:05:36 | bipolar_away | is away: I'm not here... Really.... |
| 14:45:40 | JHPerlow | morning dudes |
| 14:46:00 | JHPerlow | so I have good news... the GPL version of the Qtopia SDK comes out this week |
| 14:46:09 | JHPerlow | I just got it to put in my developer CD. |
| 14:46:25 | JHPerlow | I should have the CD image for it out this week to DL on ZaurusZone. |
| 14:55:07 | ljp_ | hopefully it won't crash the server to have us downloading it. hehehhehehe |
| 14:58:56 | bipolar | is back (gone 01:53:19) |
| 15:04:19 | bipolar | Can someone tell me how network interfaces are configured on the system level on a Zaurus? |
| 15:04:34 | roge99_sleep | ifconfig |
| 15:04:49 | bipolar | I don't have a Z but I need to find a common way to configure things between the ipaq and zaurus |
| 15:06:31 | roge99 | is back (gone 08:17:31) |
| 15:06:31 | bipolar | roge99: but how does it save settings? |
| 15:06:31 | roge99 | it dosent |
| 15:06:31 | bipolar | :\ |
| 15:06:31 | roge99 | it just configures the interface |
| 15:06:31 | bipolar | How do you tell it what ip to use, etc? |
| 15:06:31 | roge99 | the data is stored in files and ifconfig is run by the init scripts |
| 15:06:37 | bipolar | roge99: where are the files? |
| 15:09:58 | roge99 | bipolar: looks like /etc/pcmcia/network.opts |
| 15:10:50 | JHPerlow | still having issues wit the new zauruszone server |
| 15:11:03 | roge99 | whats wrong with it |
| 15:11:04 | JHPerlow | for some reason the bbs softwre isnt running right on it |
| 15:11:17 | JHPerlow | acl problem with the forum graphics |
| 15:11:33 | JHPerlow | the box they have it is ruuning some tweaked version of mandrake 7 |
| 15:11:39 | JHPerlow | apache is 1.3.12 |
| 15:11:44 | JHPerlow | which is ancient |
| 15:11:55 | JHPerlow | I havent run that software on anything earlier than 1.3.17 |
| 15:12:30 | JHPerlow | if they cant get it to run properly today on that box I will have them move it |
| 15:12:36 | JHPerlow | cause the bbs looks unprofessional now |
| 15:18:24 | CmdrChalupa | Someone mentioned reports of the DLink DCF-650W wlan card working on the zaurus mailing lists. Does anyone know where I can access these archives? |
| 15:19:39 | roge99 | the mailing list is on sourceforge |
| 15:19:55 | CmdrChalupa | ok |
| 15:20:05 | roge99 | http://sourceforge.net/projects/zaurus |
| 15:20:53 | JHPerlow | zaurus.sf.net |
| 15:23:29 | CmdrChalupa | ok...does anyone have a DCF-650W working on their zaurus? Were there any configuration oddities? I'm trying to get it to work right on an ipaq, my pcmcia driver is a complaining about it |
| 15:25:23 | warmi | man.. I was just trying to fight off incredible urge to go and get some chalupas and now this guy "CmdrChalupa" ... |
| 15:35:39 | roge99 | CmdrChalupa: whats the pcmcia driver saying |
| 15:38:00 | CmdrChalupa | prism2sta_config: GetNextTuple: No more items |
| 15:38:00 | CmdrChalupa | prism2sta_config: NextTuple failure? It's probably a Vcc mismatch |
| 15:39:02 | CmdrChalupa | what do you think, roge99 |
| 15:39:34 | roge99 | so its identifying the card and your getting errors when its loading the module |
| 15:39:57 | roge99 | or trying to config it |
| 15:40:39 | CmdrChalupa | yes |
| 15:41:14 | roge99 | dose the module load ok |
| 15:41:52 | CmdrChalupa | roge99: Yes, the module loads fine |
| 15:43:35 | roge99 | can you ifconfig the interface |
| 15:52:37 | roge99 | mornin kergoth |
| 15:53:03 | kergoth | morning |
| 15:53:05 | kergoth | hows it goin |
| 15:53:09 | kergoth | ? |
| 15:53:18 | roge99 | not to bad ... workin from home today |
| 15:53:27 | kergoth | ah cool |
| 15:54:07 | roge99 | hows things on the OZ front |
| 15:54:34 | kergoth | uneventful. havent worked on it in weeks |
| 15:54:43 | roge99 | Ahhhhhhhhh |
| 15:55:00 | roge99 | whatcha workn on ? |
| 15:55:02 | whardier | My name is Enrico Polini |
| 15:55:04 | whardier | I know what you are thinking |
| 15:55:08 | whardier | Enrico is a girls name |
| 15:55:11 | whardier | no pun intended |
| 15:58:10 | roge99 | lol\ |
| 15:58:35 | kergoth | whardier: she died? darn |
| 15:58:36 | whardier | heh |
| 15:58:37 | kergoth | yawns |
| 15:58:58 | roge99 | kergoth: WAKE UP ! |
| 16:00:01 | kergoth | roge99: NO ! |
| 16:00:10 | roge99 | ok |
| 16:00:18 | kergoth | i want to go home and sleep more. damn work. |
| 16:00:19 | roge99 | kergoth: GO TO SLEEP! |
| 16:00:25 | kergoth | roge99: K ! |
| 16:00:50 | roge99 | hmmmm im sittin in my recliner with the laptop ! |
| 16:00:58 | kergoth | bastard |
| 16:01:01 | kergoth | :-) |
| 16:01:10 | roge99 | watchen "dragon tales" with my kid |
| 16:01:18 | roge99 | :-) |
| 16:01:22 | whardier | I wanna watch dragon tales! |
| 16:01:48 | whardier | all I can getis rossane? |
| 16:01:50 | whardier | ahh! |
| 16:01:58 | roge99 | shes a dragon |
| 16:38:41 | codemnky | hello |
| 16:38:51 | roge99 | sup codemnky |
| 16:38:56 | codemnky | hey |
| 16:39:03 | roge99 | hows things |
| 16:39:12 | codemnky | was going to ask if anyone here could give me some quick help with amanda |
| 16:39:20 | codemnky | eveything's ok sorta |
| 16:39:31 | whardier | los cockaroacha?! |
| 16:40:32 | codemnky | uhuh |
| 16:44:22 | kergoth | ack, today is going to suck |
| 16:44:54 | codemnky | it's already sucking big time over here :) |
| 16:45:40 | whardier | kergoth baby.. it is not |
| 16:45:44 | whardier | www.jerkcity.com |
| 16:45:47 | whardier | just spend a little time there |
| 16:45:56 | whardier | anybody here speak ruski? |
| 16:46:12 | whardier | I need to know how to say fuck off and die to this lithuanian prick in one of my channels |
| 16:47:32 | kergoth | whardier: hah.. hey i may actually have time to add some apps to the OZ buildsystem and tweak the scripts today |
| 16:48:16 | whardier | wow |
| 16:51:03 | kergoth | whardier: added sysvinit, so we can have a sane inittab now |
| 16:51:59 | whardier | very nice |
| 17:15:30 | kergoth | hm, what package is chroot in? |
| 17:15:52 | kergoth | nm, shellutils |
| 17:26:25 | whardier | :) |
| 17:27:18 | kergoth | whardier: which package was it in the buildsystem that failed to install if you arent root? netkit-base? |
| 17:27:40 | whardier | netkit-base |
| 17:27:42 | whardier | chown ping |
| 17:27:46 | kergoth | ah |
| 17:27:47 | kergoth | k |
| 17:27:51 | kergoth | hm |
| 17:27:54 | whardier | yeah |
| 17:27:56 | whardier | patch time |
| 17:27:58 | whardier | which sucks |
| 17:28:08 | whardier | I think having a chroot environment for the buildsystem is a good idea :) |
| 17:28:09 | kergoth | could always make the make install command run using fakeroot |
| 17:28:14 | kergoth | yeah i was thining the same thing |
| 17:28:17 | kergoth | s/thining/thinking/ |
| 17:28:22 | whardier | I have never chrooted successfully |
| 17:29:08 | kergoth | heh. well the prob with using chroot here, is, where would the package sources reside within the chroot? |
| 17:33:54 | whardier | hmm |
| 17:34:02 | whardier | how does fakeroot work? |
| 17:34:50 | kergoth | whardier: just fools the package into thinking you're root... eg. if it tries to chown root blah, blah will still be owned by the user, not by root.. obviously, but the app will think the chown succeeded. |
| 17:35:18 | kergoth | whardier: so like for netkit-base, ping wouldnt be suid root, but the install would succeed instead of failing |
| 17:35:41 | whardier | ahha |
| 17:36:02 | whardier | can you mkjffs2 and have a uid change to a root uid? |
| 17:36:06 | whardier | on the filesystem creation? |
| 17:36:07 | kergoth | yep |
| 17:36:14 | whardier | alrighty then |
| 17:36:27 | whardier | just find out which user owns /usr |
| 17:36:29 | whardier | hehe |
| 17:36:32 | kergoth | yep |
| 17:36:50 | whardier | want some satriani? |
| 17:38:58 | whardier | opie was a cute kid |
| 17:40:38 | JHPerlow | I think instead of opie, we should call it Fred. |
| 17:40:56 | JHPerlow | I was totally joking when I said we should call it Opie. |
| 17:41:01 | whardier | hahahaha |
| 17:41:15 | JHPerlow | or George. |
| 17:41:17 | whardier | I have a week to complete some work |
| 17:41:22 | whardier | then things are gonna get pretty around here |
| 17:42:47 | whardier | I need a super advanced cookie tracking system |
| 17:43:50 | whardier | you know.. it would be pretty easy to just release a UML of the buildsystem |
| 17:43:51 | whardier | hehe |
| 17:44:13 | kergoth | yep |
| 17:44:25 | whardier | I made a custom uml kernel yesterday |
| 17:44:28 | kergoth | cp configs/linux.mk configs/uml.mk; vi configs/uml.mk; |
| 17:44:33 | kergoth | for what |
| 17:44:39 | whardier | needed ext3 |
| 17:44:43 | whardier | I hate uml fscks |
| 17:44:50 | kergoth | ah yeah |
| 17:44:50 | whardier | its just dumb |
| 17:45:19 | kergoth | whardier: you looked at E 0.17 from cvs yet? just installed it yesterday. pretty fucking nifty |
| 17:45:26 | whardier | augh |
| 17:45:31 | whardier | please don't sidetrack me for a few hours |
| 17:45:33 | whardier | hjehe |
| 17:45:40 | whardier | I need to get the evas xml thing working |
| 17:45:45 | whardier | it would suit me to install e17 cvs |
| 17:45:54 | whardier | there is a kick ass evas xml presenter |
| 17:46:07 | whardier | I am gonna use it for the public tv station for beringsea.com |
| 17:46:12 | kergoth | ah nice |
| 17:46:22 | whardier | dats what I am athinkin |
| 17:46:49 | whardier | augh |
| 17:47:01 | whardier | I need to make a super advanced perl based cookie tracking system that people can just add into their headers |
| 17:47:54 | whardier | enouggh of this andy grifith shit |
| 17:48:32 | richc | Hello |
| 17:48:45 | richc | I'm having a problem with openssh |
| 17:49:12 | richc | it keeps trying to create a file in /root/.ssh/known_hosts |
| 17:49:44 | whardier | damn evil monkeys |
| 17:50:20 | richc | how do I prevent it from doing that? |
| 17:50:22 | JHPerlow | monkeys are nasty. They throw their feces and copulate in public |
| 17:50:28 | JHPerlow | kinda like whardier, actually |
| 17:50:50 | richc | i hate those flying monkeys |
| 17:51:02 | richc | like in the wizard of oz |
| 17:51:24 | JHPerlow | I like the ones in the Wiz |
| 17:51:31 | JHPerlow | that drive the flying motorcylces |
| 17:52:02 | richc | hey, how do I make openssh create a know_hosts file somewhere else? |
| 17:53:44 | richc | do I have to change the $HOME Variable? |
| 17:53:46 | Neo|Away | is away: I'm busy |
| 17:53:56 | JHPerlow | 1.6ghz xeon MP... $3700 per chip |
| 17:54:01 | Neo|Work | heh: http://www.lindkvist.com/digitaldataporn/source/digitaldataporn064.html |
| 17:54:03 | Neo|Work | arg |
| 17:54:09 | Neo|Work | lo |
| 17:54:28 | richc | Hey Neo |
| 17:54:33 | JHPerlow | and think, it will be barely fast enough to run XP Server |
| 17:54:57 | whardier | neO |
| 17:54:58 | whardier | err |
| 17:54:59 | whardier | heh |
| 17:55:01 | whardier | http://vash.umgllc.com/pics/reminder.jpg |
| 17:55:54 | whardier | http://vash.umgllc.com/godkills.jpg |
| 17:56:33 | JHPerlow | whardier: i take it you are responsible for the death of many kittens then |
| 17:56:57 | whardier | I love borg sex |
| 17:57:07 | whardier | JHPerlow: I love my kitties! |
| 17:57:21 | Neo|Work | ok, just got a mail from a guy wanting to be "sold" on linux |
| 17:57:22 | JHPerlow | cats are evil |
| 17:57:23 | whardier | do I look like I have ever needed to killa kitten? |
| 17:57:27 | Neo|Work | gimme some good linux sites I can send him. :) |
| 17:57:39 | whardier | www.linux.com |
| 17:57:43 | whardier | www.bogomip.com :) |
| 17:57:44 | JHPerlow | tell him linux sucks and to use windows |
| 17:57:53 | whardier | JHPerlow you bitter dong of a man you |
| 17:59:22 | Neo|Work | hehe |
| 17:59:24 | Neo|Work | XP!!! |
| 18:01:44 | Neo|Work | fun meeting time |
| 18:02:00 | JHPerlow | wont be leaving work until 9pm today |
| 18:02:18 | JHPerlow | conf call with japan at 7 |
| 18:02:50 | whardier | tell themn their airport is sinking |
| 18:03:49 | JHPerlow | yeah I think they know that |
| 18:08:42 | JHPerlow | so does the new time machine movie really suck? |
| 18:12:44 | kergoth | whardier: what package installed fbgetty on geezer, and wtf is it? framebuffer getty? |
| 18:12:55 | whardier | hey |
| 18:12:56 | whardier | quit that |
| 18:12:59 | kergoth | JHPerlow: i didnt think it was bad.. obviously the special effects were amazing |
| 18:13:01 | whardier | your tickling my geezer |
| 18:13:05 | whardier | thats a custom script |
| 18:13:11 | whardier | /usr/local/bin/fbgetty |
| 18:13:28 | whardier | check out the wget in that script |
| 18:14:03 | kergoth | what wget? i just see a image display and then a getty |
| 18:14:05 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:14:05 | JHPerlow | that star wars trailer is wicked |
| 18:14:11 | kergoth | JHPerlow: yea |
| 18:14:15 | JHPerlow | I watched it like 100 times last night |
| 18:14:28 | whardier | oops |
| 18:14:31 | whardier | I did not update geezer |
| 18:14:35 | kergoth | ah |
| 18:14:36 | whardier | I need to reboot geezer sometime bTW |
| 18:14:36 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:14:38 | whardier | but I am afraid |
| 18:14:42 | kergoth | why |
| 18:14:48 | whardier | you killed /usr/bin once |
| 18:14:49 | whardier | remember |
| 18:14:52 | kergoth | lol.. yeah |
| 18:14:57 | whardier | it has not rebooted since |
| 18:15:13 | kergoth | heh. so? didnt you put all the binaries back? |
| 18:15:19 | whardier | from another distro |
| 18:15:22 | kergoth | we coudl just apt-get --reinstall install every package |
| 18:15:24 | JHPerlow | rut oh |
| 18:15:24 | whardier | same distro .. |
| 18:15:25 | whardier | hehe |
| 18:15:30 | whardier | but different machine |
| 18:15:42 | whardier | you should apt-get --reinstall everything then |
| 18:15:43 | whardier | hahaha |
| 18:15:59 | JHPerlow | apt-get --laid |
| 18:16:03 | whardier | shane@ns1:~$ cat /usr/local/bin/fbgetty |
| 18:16:03 | whardier | #! /bin/sh |
| 18:16:04 | whardier | PATH="/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/bin/X11" |
| 18:16:04 | whardier | clear |
| 18:16:04 | whardier | wget -o /dev/null -O /usr/local/share/umg.png "http://idea-curve.com/logo/logo.php?text1=NS1 (Name Server 1)&text2=`cat /proc/version`" |
| 18:16:05 | whardier | clear |
| 18:16:07 | whardier | clear |
| 18:16:14 | whardier | /usr/bin/fbi -d /dev/fb0 -q /usr/local/share/umg.png 1> /tmp/crap0 2> /tmp/crap1 |
| 18:16:21 | whardier | clear |
| 18:16:26 | whardier | /sbin/getty 38400 tty1 |
| 18:16:27 | whardier | clear |
| 18:16:28 | whardier | augh |
| 18:16:30 | whardier | that fucked up |
| 18:16:31 | whardier | anyhoot |
| 18:16:35 | whardier | it displays a splash on vt1 |
| 18:16:41 | kergoth | i figured that out |
| 18:16:41 | whardier | check out the wget |
| 18:16:45 | kergoth | man fbi |
| 18:16:55 | kergoth | yea i see that |
| 18:17:24 | whardier | oh shit |
| 18:17:25 | whardier | !!! |
| 18:17:30 | whardier | big security whole! |
| 18:17:31 | whardier | hahaha |
| 18:17:32 | whardier | damn |
| 18:17:54 | whardier | oh shit |
| 18:17:55 | whardier | oh shit |
| 18:17:57 | whardier | oh shit |
| 18:17:57 | whardier | !! |
| 18:17:58 | whardier | hahaha |
| 18:18:00 | whardier | oh shit! |
| 18:18:05 | whardier | oh shit on a stick |
| 18:18:08 | JHPerlow | man I am seriously suffering from sopranos withdrawal |
| 18:18:15 | whardier | I can run arbitrary commands thru that program |
| 18:18:16 | whardier | hahahaha |
| 18:18:16 | whardier | damnit |
| 18:18:19 | whardier | that so sucks |
| 18:18:21 | JHPerlow | 6 feet under is awesome but it aint the sopranos |
| 18:18:43 | JHPerlow | its been like, over 8 months hasnt it |
| 18:18:55 | JHPerlow | I mean we had a war and stuff since it was last on |
| 18:19:19 | whardier | http://idea-curve.com/logo/logo.php?text1=NS1%20(Name%20Server%201)&text2=%60whoami%60 |
| 18:19:19 | whardier | hahahaha |
| 18:19:36 | whardier | http://idea-curve.com/logo/logo.php?text1=NS1%20(Name%20Server%201)&text2=%60pwd%60 |
| 18:19:37 | whardier | damnit |
| 18:19:44 | whardier | damnit all to hell |
| 18:20:12 | kergoth | 'sorry, reinstallation of kernel-image-2.4.13-686 is not possible, it cannot be downloaded' etc |
| 18:20:18 | kergoth | stupid removed packages |
| 18:20:19 | whardier | quit that |
| 18:21:10 | kergoth | hm, might need to do a apt-get upgrade or dist-upgrade prior to reinstlalation |
| 18:21:15 | kergoth | due to removed packages |
| 18:21:23 | kergoth | yawns |
| 18:21:56 | kergoth | oh my. some nurse at a doctors office just called for support on their SCO box |
| 18:21:58 | kergoth | argh |
| 18:22:00 | kergoth | dumb bitch |
| 18:22:17 | bipolar | kergoth: lol... have fun. :) |
| 18:22:27 | bipolar | remembers SCO... sucks. |
| 18:23:12 | kergoth | bout half our unix support calls here are SCO, 33% linux, then solaris and aix.. then the smaller unices |
| 18:23:15 | kergoth | blah |
| 18:23:17 | kergoth | i hate sco |
| 18:23:24 | kergoth | unixware blows |
| 18:23:47 | kergoth | i hope caldera goes down in flames. their products just suck all the way around |
| 18:25:33 | JHPerlow | damn sopranos doesnt come back until september |
| 18:25:38 | kergoth | that sucks |
| 18:26:08 | JHPerlow | OpenUNIX 8 is actually a cool OS |
| 18:26:17 | JHPerlow | but caldera itself is totally clueless |
| 18:26:24 | JHPerlow | a lot of my friends are from SCO |
| 18:26:54 | kergoth | openunix has potential, yeah. since what sucked about unixware was the user space stuff, not the kernel |
| 18:27:01 | kergoth | but i suspect caldera will blow it |
| 18:27:46 | ljp_work | I like openwidows |
| 18:27:57 | scanline | is back (gone 07:21:44) |
| 18:28:31 | whardier | I like open widows too |
| 18:28:44 | whardier | expecially young rich ones |
| 18:29:06 | kergoth | there we go. sudo apt-get dist-upgrade && sudo apt-get --reinstall install `dpkg --get-selections|awk '{print $1;}'`; |
| 18:29:11 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:29:46 | whardier | no shit! |
| 18:29:49 | whardier | that works! |
| 18:29:59 | whardier | ahh.. I might wanna kiss you |
| 18:30:10 | kergoth | hah |
| 18:30:13 | kergoth | i wonder how long that cmd would take |
| 18:32:23 | kergoth | oops |
| 18:32:25 | kergoth | bug in that cmd |
| 18:32:49 | whardier | damnit |
| 18:33:13 | whardier | encapsulate in backticks |
| 18:33:21 | whardier | err nevermind |
| 18:33:25 | whardier | I missed those |
| 18:33:37 | kergoth | nono. get-selections dumps everything, even packages with a deinstall state |
| 18:33:48 | kergoth | 'you have to grep out the packages that have 'install' in the second column |
| 18:33:56 | whardier | uu |
| 18:33:56 | whardier | ii |
| 18:33:57 | whardier | hehe |
| 18:34:00 | whardier | grep for ii |
| 18:34:12 | kergoth | nah, get-selections has a different format than dpkg -l |
| 18:34:15 | kergoth | check it |
| 18:34:17 | whardier | oh ojk |
| 18:34:17 | kergoth | dpkg --get-selections |
| 18:34:26 | kergoth | it dumps full package names, they dont get cut off like they do in dpkg -l |
| 18:34:36 | whardier | oooh |
| 18:34:44 | whardier | and install/deinstall is the only states it gives? |
| 18:34:49 | whardier | just grep for install woudl work right? |
| 18:34:57 | whardier | hopes this does not severely fuck him somehow |
| 18:34:57 | ljp_work | akkk.. my mother should not use a computer |
| 18:35:05 | whardier | ljp_work hehe |
| 18:35:06 | whardier | what now |
| 18:35:15 | ljp_work | sheeesh |
| 18:35:39 | ljp_work | basic stuff, man.. like how to download and save something |
| 18:35:50 | whardier | haha |
| 18:35:52 | whardier | I hate that |
| 18:36:00 | whardier | yous houild give her a mac |
| 18:36:00 | ljp_work | "How do I find it once its downloaded" |
| 18:36:50 | ljp_work | "is it possible to print without downloading it?" |
| 18:37:19 | whardier | hahaha |
| 18:37:20 | whardier | cool |
| 18:37:24 | whardier | iumaginary bytes |
| 18:37:29 | whardier | woot go spelling! |
| 18:37:32 | ljp_work | hehehe ya |
| 18:38:36 | kergoth | whardier: fixed the cmd |
| 18:39:23 | kergoth | sudo apt-get dist-upgrade && sudo apt-get --reinstall install `dpkg --get-selections|awk '$2~/^install$/ {print $1;}'`; |
| 18:39:38 | ljp_work | I could never be tech support- I have no patience.. "just do this, and this, and this, and there ya go!" |
| 18:39:49 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:39:52 | kergoth | im stuck in support atm |
| 18:39:55 | scanline | is away: class |
| 18:40:23 | kergoth | 'no maam, its esc, :wq!' |
| 18:40:39 | ljp_work | "I installed AOL and now my computer won't won't boot" |
| 18:41:07 | kergoth | "hah! thatll teach you to install AOL" |
| 18:41:08 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:41:11 | ljp_work | A friend had that prob.. it changed something in the bios when the install crashed |
| 18:41:34 | kergoth | eh. thats twisted |
| 18:42:01 | ljp_work | or.. it was changing something in the bios and crashed |
| 18:42:34 | ljp_work | really twisted |
| 18:44:05 | kergoth | whardier: ill add that cmd to /home/kergoth/commands, my quickref of useful commands |
| 18:44:13 | whardier | neato |
| 18:44:23 | whardier | I am learning a lot from you buddy |
| 18:44:35 | whardier | to bad they do not have a sed/grep/awk master mug |
| 18:46:35 | kergoth | i have the "Go away or I'll replace you with a very small shell script." sticker on the entrance to my cube. hehe. |
| 18:47:41 | kergoth | brb |
| 18:50:26 | kergoth | hm, i wonder how would would go about moving a file within a cvs repository, while retaining the history of the file. obviously cvs cmds wont work, but i wonder if one could do it with local access to the repos |
| 18:50:41 | roge99 | yep |
| 18:51:18 | kergoth | k, a better question, how would one move said files only within a certain branch of the repos, which is what i need to do |
| 18:51:19 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:51:27 | kergoth | hm |
| 18:51:41 | roge99 | hmmmm |
| 18:57:18 | Neo|Work | is back again. |
| 18:58:04 | henrik | hmm.. have you guys heard anything more from TT? |
| 18:58:19 | kergoth | henrik: regarding what? |
| 18:58:55 | henrik | the contest. :) (specifically, the status of the beta prizes) |
| 19:00:19 | kergoth | ah |
| 19:00:24 | whardier | woowoo |
| 19:00:27 | whardier | sexy bitch time |
| 19:08:18 | Neo|Work | henrik: nothing no. |
| 19:10:15 | henrik | ok |
| 19:20:30 | whardier | http://segfault.bogomip.com/spooky.png |
| 19:21:45 | whardier | I just took that picture |
| 19:21:47 | whardier | heh |
| 19:46:07 | NetAmp | is watching Denise Richards on TV @ Friends |
| 19:46:36 | NetAmp | I'd like her as a Personal (Digital?) Assistant even more than a Z :P ;) |
| 19:47:07 | matrix- | heh |
| 19:47:16 | matrix- | she smiles too much.. or wierd.. or something.. |
| 19:47:54 | NetAmp | *lol* |
| 20:09:19 | NetAmp | hello |
| 20:09:59 | Fluxwerk | hey hey hey |
| 20:13:56 | NetAmp | Wow, hey, this looks like a cool drawing program :) |
| 20:14:01 | NetAmp | 14 http://home.t-online.de/home/digidietze/screenshots.html |
| 20:14:44 | NetAmp | 15 (found it at the ContestEntries wiki page) |
| 20:15:54 | mark_ | hi all |
| 20:15:58 | NetAmp | hey mark |
| 20:16:11 | kergoth | sup mark |
| 20:16:17 | mark_ | is knackered. that programming competition was _hard_ |
| 20:17:08 | mark_ | NetAmp: Z received yet? |
| 20:17:33 | NetAmp | 's counting down 'till SL-5500 release.. |
| 20:17:52 | mark_ | oh yeh you are |
| 20:18:03 | Neo|Work | what competition? |
| 20:18:10 | NetAmp | I guess I'll wait for the 5500... and after that I probably still have to wait before it's shipped to Holland. :S |
| 20:18:39 | Neo|Work | still waiting for my contest Z. Eagerly want to test things on it |
| 20:18:46 | NetAmp | Cool, that KGrok also looks nice. |
| 20:19:05 | NetAmp | Does Qtopia have a password protection by default? |
| 20:19:16 | mark_ | Neo|Work: British Informatics Olympiad - http://www.christs.cam.ac.uk/bio/ |
| 20:19:44 | NetAmp | Well ofcourse that will delay access time to the device, but I'd feel better having a good Linux password at startup ;) |
| 20:20:22 | Neo|Work | The Z has a root accoutn with no password and starts Qtopia by default. afaik |
| 20:21:18 | NetAmp | Neo: Oh okay, that's very logical for a PDA, but I think I'll change that and see how I like it ;) |
| 20:24:43 | Neo|Work | BigBoss: lo |
| 20:24:50 | NetAmp | hi BB |
| 20:25:35 | Neo|Work | wonders if TT even has shipped the beta winner Z's yet. |
| 20:26:59 | mark_ | doubts it |
| 20:27:20 | Neo|Work | been a week now. They don't seem to be the most speedy ppl. :P |
| 20:27:55 | catalin | I just talked to Murphy and he said TT is going to ship the Z's soon... |
| 20:27:56 | JHPerlow | this sucks. |
| 20:27:57 | mark_ | Neo|Work: yeh, you lot should have got it |
| 20:28:01 | catalin | ...after the contest |
| 20:28:03 | JHPerlow | I forgot to eat lunch today |
| 20:28:04 | mark_ | catalin: seriously? _soon_?! |
| 20:28:08 | catalin | :) |
| 20:28:11 | JHPerlow | and I only have 5 dollar bills in my wallet |
| 20:28:13 | JHPerlow | and 20s |
| 20:28:20 | JHPerlow | and the machines only take singles |
| 20:28:43 | fusion94 | heh |
| 20:28:50 | fusion94 | fried rice and wonton soup |
| 20:28:56 | Neo|Work | JHPerlow: always hate that |
| 20:28:56 | fusion94 | that's my lunch today |
| 20:28:58 | mark_ | catalin: why the fsck has it taken them so long - final entries are due in in 2 weeks, its gonna take at least a week to receive them |
| 20:29:13 | JHPerlow | hmm maybe we will order chinese tonight |
| 20:29:19 | JHPerlow | cause I wont get home until like... 10pm |
| 20:29:21 | whardier | dude |
| 20:29:23 | whardier | chinese would rule |
| 20:29:32 | catalin | mark_: 'Murphy' and in 'Murphy's Law' :) |
| 20:29:33 | whardier | I should go get some after my meeting |
| 20:29:38 | JHPerlow | chinese food out her in mahwah sucks though |
| 20:29:56 | whardier | mahwah? |
| 20:30:14 | scanline | is back (gone 01:50:19) |
| 20:30:16 | Neo|Work | Hmm. Haven't had Thai food for a long time |
| 20:30:18 | mark_ | catalin: grr, I'm too tired for cleverness :) |
| 20:30:19 | whardier | hugs scanline |
| 20:30:32 | fusion94 | Neo|Work: me either, not since last night |
| 20:30:38 | whardier | don't fart in space.. you will jump out of your asshole |
| 20:30:46 | NetAmp | Murphy's Laws of Recovery: "Outages take seconds: recoveries take forever" |
| 20:30:56 | catalin | lol |
| 20:30:59 | Neo|Work | fusion94: bah. :P |
| 20:31:19 | fusion94 | Neo|Work: my old lady is thai so i get it alot :) |
| 20:31:35 | scanline | hiya whardier |
| 20:31:39 | Neo|Work | :) |
| 20:31:56 | whardier | hiya scanline ! |
| 20:32:00 | whardier | rubs up against scanline |
| 20:32:15 | scanline | thinks about being scared... ;) |
| 20:32:19 | NetAmp | Likes the Froot game screenshots |
| 20:32:20 | whardier | don't think baby |
| 20:32:27 | whardier | Froot game? |
| 20:32:30 | mark_ | JHPerlow: do you know if t he Zs have been dispatched? |
| 20:32:46 | NetAmp | Froot game: 14 http://www.cs.unc.edu/~scheuerm/ 1 looks nice :) |
| 20:32:47 | whardier | dispatches mattoly |
| 20:32:52 | JHPerlow | froot is cool |
| 20:33:21 | JHPerlow | I think it should be all food items, not just fruit |
| 20:33:30 | JHPerlow | like there should be fast food and sushi and stuff |
| 20:33:31 | NetAmp | Heck, I think I'll go program myself a Zaurus Emulator for Linux, so I can play the games :P ;) |
| 20:33:38 | whardier | aww sweet |
| 20:33:39 | whardier | bust a move! |
| 20:33:55 | Neo|Work | NetAmp: when there's source, just compil eit |
| 20:34:02 | whardier | man I would love to redo the graphics for that game :) |
| 20:34:23 | NetAmp | Neo|Work: Do you think it would just work on SuSE 7.2? |
| 20:34:37 | JHPerlow | whardier: all porno right |
| 20:34:47 | whardier | haha |
| 20:34:47 | whardier | no |
| 20:34:53 | whardier | I am good at making happy game graphics |
| 20:34:59 | Neo|Work | NetAmp: works on mdk cooker |
| 20:35:04 | whardier | thats just a little too 4 bit for me |
| 20:35:09 | Neo|Work | whardier: make a theme for Eligo. :-PP |
| 20:35:09 | whardier | for a 16bit display |
| 20:35:15 | NetAmp | whardier: Kitty graphics, heh |
| 20:35:17 | whardier | Neo|Work you can do that? |
| 20:35:18 | whardier | haha |
| 20:35:20 | JHPerlow | whardier: you cant even do penguin godzilla mascots properly! :) |
| 20:35:22 | whardier | NetAmp :) |
| 20:35:31 | whardier | JHPerlow whatch talking about willis! |
| 20:35:39 | whardier | people love pingizauru |
| 20:35:44 | whardier | that was my first fucking attempt |
| 20:35:45 | Neo|Work | Eligo has basic theme support (meaning change of graphics works fine) |
| 20:35:45 | JHPerlow | just kidding |
| 20:35:49 | JHPerlow | I love pingizaru |
| 20:35:50 | whardier | don't tempt me to sckoo you |
| 20:35:55 | JHPerlow | we need a newer pingizaru though |
| 20:36:01 | whardier | I know tony Hawk Pro Skater II foo |
| 20:36:06 | NetAmp | well I like pingizauru! |
| 20:36:07 | whardier | a newer one? |
| 20:36:09 | NetAmp | hah :P |
| 20:36:10 | scanline | i should eat before the cafeteria closes... |
| 20:36:13 | scanline | brb |
| 20:36:18 | whardier | whats wrong with the current one? |
| 20:36:23 | NetAmp | whardier: do not try to de-select this text |
| 20:36:26 | whardier | did tux ever change? |
| 20:36:28 | scanline | is away: food-like-substances-i-should-get-10-minutes-before-they-close |
| 20:36:30 | JHPerlow | my cafeteria closes at 1:30 |
| 20:36:33 | JHPerlow | it totalyl sucks |
| 20:36:33 | whardier | NetAmp screw you buddy! |
| 20:36:34 | NetAmp | *lol* just kidding ;) |
| 20:36:39 | JHPerlow | you cant even get COFFEE past 9am |
| 20:36:45 | JHPerlow | gotta use the vending machines |
| 20:36:51 | whardier | JHPerlow need or want? |
| 20:37:00 | JHPerlow | 12-1:30 is lunch |
| 20:37:08 | JHPerlow | 8-9 is brekkies |
| 20:37:28 | Neo|Work | we have free coffee and pop here |
| 20:37:30 | ljp_work | heh- I have a grocery store and 2 coffee shops right across the street |
| 20:37:32 | NetAmp | Ah :( Not much of the Contest Entries are on that page yet... I'd like to see more games ;) |
| 20:37:34 | Neo|Work | once small benefit I sppose |
| 20:37:48 | ljp_work | not to mention a bakery |
| 20:38:33 | ljp_work | ya, people are still being secretive about their contest apps :( |
| 20:38:33 | whardier | I have a Schraders |
| 20:38:36 | whardier | all my own |
| 20:38:52 | whardier | and a high school.. full of fine little teenyboppers |
| 20:39:20 | ljp_work | I have a high school, a middle school, a elem school, and church all within 3 blocks |
| 20:39:28 | whardier | damn |
| 20:39:34 | whardier | you have all those illegal basees covered |
| 20:39:43 | ljp_work | oh and a drive tyhrough liquor store |
| 20:39:45 | whardier | preteen stuff |
| 20:39:47 | whardier | anarchy |
| 20:39:48 | whardier | arsin |
| 20:40:18 | ljp_work | and a pizza shop |
| 20:40:27 | whardier | what pizza shop? |
| 20:40:33 | mark_ | jhperlow - Warning: fopen("/home/perlow/zauruszone.com/tmp/wiki/archive/ContestEntries","a+b") - Permission denied in /home/perlow/zauruszone.com/wiki/lib/db_filesystem.php on line 104 |
| 20:40:35 | ljp_work | and a greesy spoon |
| 20:40:37 | whardier | I am totally craving Chinese food ATM |
| 20:40:41 | ljp_work | Blackjacks |
| 20:40:47 | whardier | eww |
| 20:40:52 | whardier | scary stuff |
| 20:40:56 | ljp_work | ya.. I never buy there |
| 20:41:15 | whardier | there are reasons |
| 20:41:25 | whardier | papa johsn is expensive for a reason |
| 20:41:28 | whardier | they are damn good |
| 20:41:57 | ljp_work | whats a few hundred pennies anyway |
| 20:42:39 | whardier | hahaha |
| 20:43:22 | ljp_work | oh man, I started out today all inspired to write some code, and now it kinda left me.. |
| 20:43:37 | whardier | ljp_work thats cause I have been coding like mad |
| 20:43:55 | ljp_work | I did look into the "Hydro" decoration style |
| 20:43:55 | whardier | I am sucking all the programming power for a 40 mile radius |
| 20:44:04 | whardier | neato |
| 20:44:07 | whardier | is it free yet? |
| 20:44:20 | whardier | I wanna make an LCARS decor style |
| 20:44:20 | whardier | hahaha |
| 20:44:24 | ljp_work | hydro? ya.. just right click on the titlebar |
| 20:44:32 | whardier | in opie? |
| 20:44:40 | ljp_work | and qpe |
| 20:44:44 | whardier | err |
| 20:44:46 | whardier | ? |
| 20:44:51 | whardier | ljp_work splain yourself |
| 20:44:55 | ljp_work | but on the zaurus.. you can't right click on the titlebar |
| 20:44:56 | whardier | I cannot right click |
| 20:44:56 | whardier | haha |
| 20:44:58 | NetAmp | I just made my mIRC window transparent, but LCARS would be better, heh |
| 20:44:59 | whardier | oh that is funny! |
| 20:45:07 | whardier | NetAmp MIRC?! |
| 20:45:21 | ljp_work | its there.. try it in qvfb desktop version of qtopia |
| 20:45:35 | NetAmp | whardier: We could make a 'tricorder' program for the Z ;) |
| 20:45:38 | whardier | I am lost ljp |
| 20:45:48 | whardier | NetAmp ever seen the "gaydar" for the palm? |
| 20:45:56 | whardier | oooh |
| 20:45:58 | whardier | the qvfb |
| 20:45:59 | whardier | gotcha |
| 20:46:11 | NetAmp | whardier: HAHAHA nope, but sadly I can imagine what it does ;) |
| 20:46:14 | ljp_work | whardier: if you right click on a qtopia titlbar, you can select "Hydro" decoration |
| 20:46:21 | whardier | yeah.. I remember that now |
| 20:46:25 | whardier | I thought you meant within QPE |
| 20:46:33 | whardier | thats the overall style for the VFB |
| 20:46:49 | ljp_work | whardier: only on a pda, you can't right click. it only works in the x86 qt framebuffer qtopia |
| 20:46:55 | NetAmp | And, is it cool, the Hydro style? |
| 20:47:04 | whardier | its stellar |
| 20:47:06 | ljp_work | its ala OSX |
| 20:47:19 | ljp_work | gumdrop |
| 20:47:43 | NetAmp | ljp: huh? can't you right-click with press-and-hold or something? |
| 20:47:57 | whardier | there is no hydro in the QPE binaries |
| 20:48:03 | ljp_work | http://llornkcor.com/software/screenshots/sc_07.48.15_Tue_12_Mar_2002.png |
| 20:48:05 | whardier | so bugger off |
| 20:48:05 | whardier | hahaha |
| 20:48:13 | NetAmp | Well still someone did have Hydro... |
| 20:48:17 | ljp_work | wanna bet? |
| 20:48:31 | whardier | yeah! |
| 20:48:33 | whardier | thats opie! |
| 20:48:43 | whardier | also |
| 20:48:45 | whardier | check the source |
| 20:48:48 | ljp_work | so.. it standard libqte |
| 20:48:50 | whardier | I have been there |
| 20:48:53 | whardier | and soo done that |
| 20:48:57 | ljp_work | libqte |
| 20:49:03 | whardier | you are poo dong |
| 20:49:09 | ljp_work | nope |
| 20:49:14 | ljp_work | its in there! |
| 20:49:15 | whardier | hmm |
| 20:49:23 | ljp_work | but you can't get to it |
| 20:49:26 | whardier | grr |
| 20:49:27 | ljp_work | on the Z |
| 20:49:41 | whardier | hehe |
| 20:49:48 | whardier | ok |
| 20:49:50 | whardier | int he qpe source |
| 20:49:53 | whardier | there are three styles |
| 20:49:53 | whardier | light |
| 20:49:55 | whardier | windows |
| 20:49:56 | Neo|Work | ljp_work: cute ftp client |
| 20:49:56 | whardier | QPE |
| 20:50:04 | catalin | hmm, why does the hydro decoration need minimize/maximize/menu buttons ? |
| 20:50:05 | ljp_work | its the qt embedded |
| 20:50:16 | whardier | heh |
| 20:50:30 | ljp_work | Neo: I just uploaded that to opie |
| 20:50:48 | ljp_work | started it out on Sunday |
| 20:50:50 | whardier | ljp_work.. that is just adopting a new style to the QT environment |
| 20:50:58 | whardier | its not in QPE tho |
| 20:51:03 | ljp_work | its not a style- its decoration |
| 20:51:06 | whardier | and QPE has its own framebuffer for the Z |
| 20:51:14 | Neo|Work | who was it that wanted a local dictionary anyway? Someone has compiled a dict server on the Z and binary hacked edict to use it. : |
| 20:51:24 | ljp_work | it not in libqpe, its in libqte |
| 20:51:38 | whardier | but qpe uses libqte |
| 20:51:42 | Neo|Work | BigBoss: uh, when did you leave #zaurus? :-) |
| 20:51:51 | BigBoss | got dumped |
| 20:52:04 | ljp_work | yes, but qte != qpe |
| 20:52:10 | Neo|Work | ah, see now |
| 20:52:36 | whardier | ljp_work you are a big dork |
| 20:52:44 | whardier | I am just saying that because I got nothinig better to do |
| 20:52:58 | kergoth | ljp_work: are you taking whardier seriously again? tisk tisk |
| 20:53:10 | kergoth | heheh |
| 20:53:19 | | whardier is a jackass |
| 20:53:19 | ljp_work | ibot: what is whardier? |
| 20:53:30 | whardier | http://members.iglou.com/lyons/bitchGen.html |
| 20:53:48 | whardier | I am not a jackass |
| 20:53:52 | | whardier: I forgot whardier |
| 20:53:52 | whardier | ibot forget whardier |
| 20:53:57 | | OK, whardier. |
| 20:53:57 | whardier | ibot whardier is a nice guy |
| 20:54:04 | | i don't know, whardier |
| 20:54:04 | whardier | ibot wharder? |
| 20:54:06 | whardier | damn |
| 20:54:10 | whardier | you people and private messaging |
| 20:54:14 | | whardier: i haven't a clue |
| 20:54:14 | whardier | ibot wharder? |
| 20:54:20 | | i haven't a clue, whardier |
| 20:54:20 | whardier | ibot what is wharder? |
| 20:54:23 | whardier | hehe |
| 20:54:39 | | fusion94: i haven't a clue |
| 20:54:39 | fusion94 | ibot: whardier? |
| 20:54:41 | kergoth | hm i wonder if i should do som e real work |
| 20:54:43 | whardier | :) |
| 20:54:46 | whardier | no |
| 20:54:51 | whardier | ok |
| 20:54:54 | whardier | time for a meeting |
| 20:55:00 | ljp_work | on a Tuesday? |
| 20:55:04 | whardier | yes |
| 20:55:19 | whardier | wonders why that is so bizaire |
| 20:55:21 | whardier | bbl |
| 20:55:29 | | well, whardier is not a jackass, well not really |
| 20:55:29 | fusion94 | ibot: whardier? |
| 20:55:34 | | ...but whardier is not a jackass, well not really... |
| 20:55:34 | ljp_work | ibot: whardier is a smartass |
| 20:55:46 | | ljp_work: I forgot whardier |
| 20:55:46 | ljp_work | ibot: forget whardier |
| 20:55:50 | | OK, ljp_work. |
| 20:55:50 | ljp_work | ibot: whardier is a smartass |
| 20:56:21 | | you are the wanker that wrote sourceforge |
| 20:56:21 | fusion94 | ibot: fusion94 ? |
| 20:56:33 | scanline | is back (gone 00:20:06) |
| 20:56:51 | fusion94 | there we go |
| 20:58:52 | | i am a nympho |
| 20:58:52 | scanline | ibot: ibot? |
| 20:58:58 | scanline | hmm... |
| 20:59:02 | | i haven't a clue, scanline |
| 20:59:02 | scanline | ibot: #zaurus? |
| 20:59:17 | BZFlag | fusion94: yeah? wrote sourceforge? |
| 20:59:21 | | PicoBot is your infobot that lives in #picogui |
| 20:59:21 | scanline | ibot: PicoBot? |
| 20:59:32 | | okay, scanline. |
| 20:59:32 | scanline | ibot: PicoBot is also your evil twin |
| 20:59:54 | | PicoBot is your infobot that lives in #picogui or my evil twin |
| 20:59:54 | scanline | ibot: PicoBot? |
| 21:00:00 | scanline | >:) |
| 21:01:13 | ljp_work | I wonder how TT shipped the Zaurus? slow boat? |
| 21:01:50 | bipolar | hijacks the slow boat |
| 21:01:57 | mark_ | ljp_work: seemingly |
| 21:02:42 | NetAmp | *lol* so now ibot has an evil twin ;) |
| 21:02:57 | NetAmp | oh well... life gets weirder every day ; |
| 21:03:11 | scanline | yep |
| 21:03:20 | scanline | picobot actually knows quite a bit now |
| 21:03:38 | scanline | "Since Mon Mar 11 20:02:34 2002, there have been 20 modifications and 11 questions. I have been awake for 18 hours, 3 minutes, 30 seconds this session, and currently reference 1812 factoids. Addressing is in optional mode." |
| 21:05:04 | scanline | lots of stuff that would probably just clutter up ibot though, like picogui error messages and API references |
| 21:05:05 | NetAmp | wow |
| 21:05:08 | NetAmp | heh :) |
| 21:05:17 | scanline | but it's mostly just funny stuff :) |
| 21:05:41 | | NetAmp: what? |
| 21:05:41 | NetAmp | ibot 5500 |
| 21:05:42 | scanline | when are you guys going to teach ibot Qt? |
| 21:05:49 | | NetAmp: i'm not following you... |
| 21:05:49 | NetAmp | ibot Qt |
| 21:06:07 | | OK, ljp_work. |
| 21:06:07 | ljp_work | ibot: Qt is quicktime |
| 21:06:14 | kergoth | hah |
| 21:06:16 | ljp_work | hehehe |
| 21:06:34 | | i don't know, kergoth |
| 21:06:34 | kergoth | ibot: TT? |
| 21:06:39 | | OK, scanline. |
| 21:06:39 | scanline | ibot: Qt/Embedded is a new version of quicktime for the iPod |
| 21:06:47 | | OK, kergoth. |
| 21:06:47 | kergoth | ibot: TT is TrollTech (http://www.trolltech.com/) |
| 21:06:56 | | OK, NetAmp. |
| 21:06:56 | NetAmp | ibot NetAmp is waiting for an (affordable) 5500 |
| 21:07:01 | NetAmp | gheh |
| 21:07:03 | scanline | hmm... |
| 21:07:06 | | well, scanline is the creator of PicoGUI |
| 21:07:06 | scanline | ibot: scanline? |
| 21:07:12 | | Kergoth is probably busy fixing something or other. Email him at mailto:kergoth@digitalnemesis.net |
| 21:07:12 | kergoth | ibot: kergoth? |
| 21:07:31 | | kergoth: I forgot kergoth |
| 21:07:31 | kergoth | ibot: forget kergoth |
| 21:07:32 | scanline | picobot's always giving different responses when i ask it "scanline", usually involving needing a shave... |
| 21:08:18 | | OK, kergoth. |
| 21:08:18 | kergoth | ibot: kergoth is strangling a customer at the moment, send an email and he'll get back to you. |
| 21:08:18 | NetAmp | hehe :D |
| 21:08:30 | | ljp_work: excuse me? |
| 21:08:30 | ljp_work | ibot: scanline also needs a shave |
| 21:08:33 | | it has been said that kergoth is strangling a customer at the moment, send an email and he'll get back to you. |
| 21:08:33 | NetAmp | ibot kergoth |
| 21:08:39 | | okay, kergoth. |
| 21:08:39 | kergoth | ibot: kergoth is also at kergoth@digitalnemesis.net |
| 21:08:47 | | it has been said that kergoth is strangling a customer at the moment, send an email and he'll get back to you. or at mailto:kergoth@digitalnemesis.net |
| 21:08:47 | NetAmp | ibot kergoth |
| 21:08:55 | | okay, ljp_work. |
| 21:08:55 | ljp_work | ibot: scanline is also needs a shave |
| 21:09:12 | | somebody said scanline was the creator of PicoGUI or needs a shave |
| 21:09:12 | scanline | ibot: scanline? |
| 21:09:19 | scanline | mmmkay... |
| 21:09:21 | catalin | lol |
| 21:09:39 | | NetAmp: what? |
| 21:09:39 | NetAmp | ibot BillGates |
| 21:09:45 | NetAmp | hm... |
| 21:09:46 | | kergoth: wish i knew |
| 21:09:46 | kergoth | ibot: microsoft? |
| 21:09:50 | | ...but tt is TrollTech (http://www.trolltech.com/)... |
| 21:09:50 | scanline | ibot: TT is the Atari model with a 32-bit bus and 32-bit CPU |
| 21:09:57 | | scanline: I forgot tt |
| 21:09:57 | scanline | ibot: forget TT |
| 21:09:58 | | OK, scanline. |
| 21:09:58 | scanline | ibot: TT is the Atari model with a 32-bit bus and 32-bit CPU |
| 21:10:17 | | OK, NetAmp. |
| 21:10:17 | NetAmp | ibot SMG is Sarag Michelle Gellar |
| 21:10:24 | | ...but smg is Sarag Michelle Gellar... |
| 21:10:24 | NetAmp | ibot SMG is Sarah Michelle Gellar |
| 21:10:27 | NetAmp | damnit |
| 21:10:31 | SMG | Shawn M. Gordon |
| 21:10:35 | | scanline: I forgot smg |
| 21:10:35 | scanline | ibot: forget smg |
| 21:10:41 | NetAmp | *lol* |
| 21:10:46 | SMG | my BigBoss id won't go away :) |
| 21:10:58 | NetAmp | ghost it, or wait |
| 21:11:02 | ljp_work | it will timeout eventually |
| 21:11:08 | kergoth | bangs head against desk |
| 21:11:12 | NetAmp | but I guess your nick has to be registered to use ghost |
| 21:11:32 | NetAmp | kergoth: what's wrong? Evil customers torturing you again? |
| 21:12:02 | kergoth | NetAmp: yes! and whats worse, I've got stupid coworkers torturing me too |
| 21:12:23 | NetAmp | ow bad bad coworkers |
| 21:12:27 | | catalin: sorry... |
| 21:12:27 | catalin | ibot: coworker |
| 21:12:44 | | kergoth: I forgot kergoth |
| 21:12:44 | kergoth | ibot: forget kergoth |
| 21:12:46 | fusion94 | BZFlag: yeah that was me |
| 21:13:02 | | OK, kergoth. |
| 21:13:02 | kergoth | ibot: kergoth is <reply> Go away or I'll replace you with a very small shell script. |
| 21:13:06 | | Go away or I'll replace you with a very small shell script. |
| 21:13:06 | kergoth | ibot: kergoth? |
| 21:13:18 | NetAmp | hahaha |
| 21:13:28 | | OK, scanline. |
| 21:13:28 | scanline | ibot: Guild of the Void * is at http://voidptr.net |
| 21:13:35 | scanline | oops... |
| 21:13:40 | | scanline: I forgot guild of the void * |
| 21:13:40 | scanline | ibot: forget guild of the void * |
| 21:13:43 | | OK, scanline. |
| 21:13:43 | scanline | ibot: Guild of the Void * is at http://voidptr.org |
| 21:13:53 | | kergoth: no idea |
| 21:13:53 | kergoth | ibot: ack? |
| 21:13:54 | | kergoth: wish i knew |
| 21:13:54 | kergoth | ibot: syn? |
| 21:14:02 | | no idea, netamp |
| 21:14:02 | NetAmp | ibot: nak? |
| 21:14:06 | | OK, kergoth. |
| 21:14:06 | kergoth | ibot: syn is <reply> ack |
| 21:15:21 | | kergoth: i don't know |
| 21:15:21 | kergoth | ibot: bored? |
| 21:15:30 | | OK, kergoth. |
| 21:15:30 | kergoth | ibot: bored is <reply> yes |
| 21:15:32 | | yes |
| 21:15:32 | kergoth | ibot: bored? |
| 21:16:14 | kergoth | yawns |
| 21:17:06 | | OK, NetAmp. |
| 21:17:06 | NetAmp | ibot: dotNET is <reply> Will bring doom to the world... |
| 21:17:11 | | Will bring doom to the world... |
| 21:17:11 | NetAmp | ibot: dotNET |
| 21:17:21 | NetAmp | wahaha cool toy :P |
| 21:17:59 | | i am a nympho |
| 21:17:59 | NetAmp | ibot: ibot |
| 21:18:23 | | okay, NetAmp. |
| 21:18:23 | NetAmp | ibot: ibot is also a cool toy when you'r really bored |
| 21:18:26 | | i am a nympho or a cool toy when you'r really bored |
| 21:18:26 | NetAmp | ibot: ibot |
| 21:18:51 | | *You* are, Mr Sexy-pants! |
| 21:18:51 | ljp_work | ibot: who's your daddy? |
| 21:18:57 | kergoth | lol |
| 21:19:13 | NetAmp | *lolz* |
| 21:19:14 | kergoth | so its not you that are sexy, its the pants |
| 21:19:15 | kergoth | lol |
| 21:19:27 | | ljp_work: i don't know |
| 21:19:27 | ljp_work | ibot: are you female? |
| 21:19:38 | SMG | l |
| 21:19:39 | | netamp: wish i knew |
| 21:19:39 | NetAmp | ibot: are you alien? |
| 21:19:41 | | sex is updatedb; locate blonde; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; ipkg install condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; ipkg remove condom; make clean; sleep |
| 21:19:41 | kergoth | ibot: sex? |
| 21:19:48 | | no idea, ljp_work |
| 21:19:48 | ljp_work | ibot: are you shemale? |
| 21:19:54 | | netamp: bugger all, i dunno |
| 21:19:54 | NetAmp | ibot: do you run on linux? |
| 21:19:59 | | kergoth: no idea |
| 21:19:59 | kergoth | ibot: gender? |
| 21:20:15 | Fluxwerk | damn |
| 21:20:21 | Fluxwerk | two busted p3 procs in a row |
| 21:20:28 | | wish i knew, ljp_work |
| 21:20:28 | ljp_work | ibot: bender? |
| 21:20:29 | kergoth | Fluxwerk: ouch |
| 21:20:33 | Fluxwerk | bent pins shipped from intel |
| 21:20:50 | Fluxwerk | a pin actually fell off of one |
| 21:20:50 | kergoth | Fluxwerk: have you called and raised hell yet? |
| 21:21:05 | Fluxwerk | no my dept. |
| 21:21:13 | Fluxwerk | I just assemble them when asked |
| 21:21:14 | kergoth | ah |
| 21:21:34 | kergoth | needs a new job |
| 21:21:39 | Fluxwerk | I run the dept. of redundancy dept. |
| 21:21:53 | ljp_work | also needs a new job |
| 21:21:55 | NetAmp | kergoth: go work at Sharp ;) |
| 21:22:15 | kergoth | i swear this company is starting to remind me of the company in office space |
| 21:22:20 | kergoth | I'm waiting for the consultants to come |
| 21:22:25 | kergoth | dum dum dum |
| 21:22:28 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:22:49 | | NetAmp: sorry... |
| 21:22:49 | NetAmp | ibot: britney |
| 21:23:00 | NetAmp | ;) |
| 21:23:09 | NetAmp | wb BB :) |
| 21:24:03 | | NetAmp: sorry... |
| 21:24:03 | NetAmp | ibot pie |
| 21:24:17 | NetAmp | ibot pie is <reply> Pie in your face --> |} |
| 21:24:41 | kergoth | hah |
| 21:24:44 | kergoth | you're more bored than i |
| 21:25:10 | NetAmp | HAHA yeah I am... it's sad huh... a bored student |
| 21:25:33 | kergoth | nah, all too common |
| 21:25:36 | scanline | NetAmp: there are plenty of open source projects that could use help |
| 21:25:52 | kergoth | yep |
| 21:25:58 | NetAmp | scanline: *lol* I know but I gotta learn C first :S |
| 21:26:00 | NetAmp | :) |
| 21:26:07 | kergoth | NetAmp: go buy k&r and have fun |
| 21:26:09 | kergoth | NetAmp: :-) |
| 21:26:13 | scanline | or Python.. or assembler.. or anything useful |
| 21:26:16 | ljp_work | try http://opie.handhelds.org |
| 21:26:23 | NetAmp | Otherwise i'd be porting ibot already :P |
| 21:26:26 | kergoth | ljp_work: ehe. saw that coming |
| 21:26:29 | kergoth | :-) |
| 21:26:34 | ljp_work | don't learn c first- just dive into c++ |
| 21:26:42 | scanline | no! |
| 21:26:45 | scanline | learn C first! |
| 21:26:47 | ljp_work | hehehe |
| 21:26:49 | scanline | c++ corrupts the soul! |
| 21:26:56 | scanline | :) |
| 21:27:01 | ljp_work | c is just c++ without class |
| 21:27:21 | scanline | I have nothing against the language c++, but the way most people use it bothers me |
| 21:27:23 | kergoth | I'm really glad I learned c prior to c++ |
| 21:27:32 | NetAmp | Well I can do basic Java ;) |
| 21:27:52 | scanline | learned C, assembler, then C++, and is proud of it |
| 21:27:55 | ljp_work | my first language was basic, back when it had line numbers |
| 21:27:56 | kergoth | when I found half my c programs were basically structured in an object oriented fashion, i decided id give c++ a shot |
| 21:28:11 | | OK, catalin. |
| 21:28:11 | catalin | ibot: cpp is a half-baked OOP language |
| 21:28:13 | scanline | with a basic, perl, and several other languages tossed in there as well.. |
| 21:28:16 | kergoth | i learned basic, x86 asm, c, then c++. started with bad practices from the start. hehe. |
| 21:28:42 | | ljp_work: sorry... |
| 21:28:42 | ljp_work | ibot: goto 16 |
| 21:28:48 | kergoth | hah |
| 21:28:51 | NetAmp | already loves The pointer calibration screen. |
| 21:28:52 | | kergoth: wish i knew |
| 21:28:52 | kergoth | ibot: goto? |
| 21:28:59 | scanline | well, it just bugs me when people are coding in a relatively low level language (i.e. you still have to worry about memory leaks and segfaults) and don't have a clue how computers work |
| 21:29:18 | | kergoth: i haven't a clue |
| 21:29:18 | kergoth | ibot: goto is <reply> goto? you're kidding, right? |
| 21:29:34 | kergoth | how odd |
| 21:29:43 | kergoth | scanline: i agree wholeheartedly |
| 21:29:51 | ljp_work | does ibot still ignore Fastolfe? |
| 21:30:02 | | NetAmp: what? |
| 21:30:02 | NetAmp | ibot: goto |
| 21:30:04 | kergoth | scanline: one cant design well at a high level without a solid understanding of whats really happening under the hood |
| 21:30:12 | | NetAmp: what? |
| 21:30:12 | NetAmp | ibot goto |
| 21:30:25 | scanline | kergoth: yep. Even though i don't use x86 ASM hardly at all now, i'm very glad i learned it |
| 21:30:42 | scanline | kergoth: and hopefully i'll learn m68k, PPC, or ARM assembler soon... |
| 21:30:50 | kergoth | scanline: same here |
| 21:31:07 | NetAmp | hm well then... I guess I should go back to reading my System Architecture books soon ;) |
| 21:31:12 | scanline | hehe |
| 21:31:17 | ljp_work | to me, C seems better suited for low level stuff, whereas C++ is better at gui junk |
| 21:31:18 | scanline | or learn python |
| 21:31:33 | kendrick2 | hey all |
| 21:31:35 | kendrick2 | check this out :( |
| 21:31:41 | scanline | I think C++ is good in theory, but most implementations come with a lot of bloat |
| 21:31:42 | NetAmp | hm the only ASM I used was inline in Pascal for changing video modes ;) |
| 21:32:36 | scanline | hehe.. mov ax,13h int 10h |
| 21:32:40 | NetAmp | *lol* |
| 21:32:46 | ljp_work | kendrick: what are we supposed to checkout? |
| 21:33:05 | scanline | then the framebuffer was at 0xA000:0000 right? |
| 21:33:10 | NetAmp | mov 5500, myPlace |
| 21:33:24 | kendrick2 | hmm |
| 21:33:27 | scanline | 5500? |
| 21:33:33 | NetAmp | scanline: Zaurus 5500 :P |
| 21:33:35 | NetAmp | heh |
| 21:33:36 | kendrick2 | hang on.. i think it only happens when i run mke2fsd |
| 21:33:39 | scanline | oh.. |
| 21:33:47 | scanline | NetAmp: you must be using AT&T syntax |
| 21:33:54 | NetAmp | haha |
| 21:34:36 | kendrick2 | "SD write error 0d" |
| 21:34:43 | kendrick2 | "FAT bread failed" |
| 21:34:49 | kendrick2 | "unable to read partition table" |
| 21:34:57 | kendrick2 | these are things i see in dmesg on the z |
| 21:35:01 | kendrick2 | is my SD card dead??? :( |
| 21:35:05 | kendrick2 | or is there some way i can recover? |
| 21:35:48 | Cam | it's poor if they can be trashed so easily |
| 21:36:04 | prefect | hi all |
| 21:36:05 | kendrick2 | well, i DID kinda yank it while it was (presumably) being written to |
| 21:36:14 | ljp_work | DOH |
| 21:36:21 | prefect | has anyone ported libflash to qte? |
| 21:36:27 | prefect | (hi Cam, Bill) |
| 21:36:31 | Cam | stilll... should be some way to re-initialise them |
| 21:36:47 | Cam | hi brad, what brings you to these parts? |
| 21:37:01 | prefect | Cam: I think you guys are using qte, right? |
| 21:37:10 | Cam | only just in my case ;-) |
| 21:37:17 | prefect | oh... |
| 21:37:21 | prefect | the rest are using x11? |
| 21:37:23 | kendrick2 | WOAH! |
| 21:37:25 | kendrick2 | WOAH WOAH! |
| 21:37:29 | kendrick2 | gives brad a big hug |
| 21:37:33 | kendrick2 | dude... how's it going!? |
| 21:37:39 | prefect | smiles. |
| 21:37:43 | Cam | hehe |
| 21:37:49 | BigBoss | Kendrick: home girl, wassup? |
| 21:38:00 | prefect | kendrick2: recovering from a cold, but doing well |
| 21:38:04 | kendrick2 | kicks bigboss in the bignuts |
| 21:38:12 | Cam | OT: I hear AC GmBH is no more |
| 21:38:15 | kendrick2 | prefect - ditto what cam said... what brings you here? |
| 21:38:21 | prefect | Cam: what a suprise :-) |
| 21:38:27 | kendrick2 | cam - i submitted that to /. and linuxdevices.com ;) |
| 21:38:34 | Cam | hey I want in on the ethernet sell-out |
| 21:38:38 | kendrick2 | (as well as "zaurus at amazon.com" to both... ld.com accepted, /. did not) |
| 21:38:47 | prefect | kendrick2: I want a flash player for qte |
| 21:38:54 | prefect | libflash has player for X11, but not for qte |
| 21:39:05 | prefect | I will port it, just... if someone already has... |
| 21:39:08 | Cam | kendrick2: == karma whore |
| 21:39:10 | kendrick2 | flash as in flash animation? |
| 21:39:18 | kendrick2 | cam == correct :) not that i use my karma for anything |
| 21:39:19 | prefect | kendrick2: yup |
| 21:39:22 | kendrick2 | OH! i should sell it on ebay! ;) |
| 21:39:46 | kendrick2 | prefect - to stick in opera, or konq, for example? |
| 21:39:48 | kendrick2 | or stand-alone? |
| 21:39:53 | prefect | konq |
| 21:39:57 | kendrick2 | nifty |
| 21:39:59 | prefect | or stand-alone |
| 21:40:04 | Cam | I wonder if I should add cobwebs and tumbleweed to the graphics for agendawiki :-P |
| 21:40:11 | kendrick2 | cam ;) |
| 21:40:11 | prefect | actually, stand-alone first |
| 21:40:11 | prefect | then konq |
| 21:40:20 | kendrick2 | seriously misses his agenda |
| 21:40:27 | kendrick2 | i still have it... i fired it up recently, too... |
| 21:40:41 | BigBoss | so why do you miss it? |
| 21:40:42 | Cam | I still use mine, 16Mb RAM :)) |
| 21:40:49 | kendrick2 | back when the world wasn't getting bombed... |
| 21:40:56 | kendrick2 | bigboss .. cuz i have no use to use it |
| 21:41:02 | kendrick2 | (yoose to yuse ;) ) |
| 21:41:19 | prefect | so... I guess you guys don't have a flash player for qte :-P |
| 21:41:22 | kendrick2 | the PIM software is admittedly better (if not still a little flakey) under Qtopia |
| 21:41:28 | prefect | I wonder if the ipaq people do |
| 21:41:29 | kendrick2 | prefect - not that we've heard of. :) |
| 21:41:44 | kendrick2 | you have a z or an ipaq, prefect? |
| 21:41:49 | prefect | neither :-) |
| 21:42:31 | altered | has anyone here experienced problems installing .ipk files via network connection with the 1.10/1.11 ROMs? |
| 21:44:00 | altered | anyone even here? |
| 21:44:08 | kendrick2 | lots |
| 21:44:28 | kendrick2 | only network install i've done was grabbing tetrix using qtopiadesktop |
| 21:44:32 | kendrick2 | (the one time i actually used that app ;) ) |
| 21:44:34 | kergoth | altered: i never installed 1.1x |
| 21:44:45 | Cam | I look forward to getting a Z! |
| 21:45:17 | altered | hmm... I want to know if the problem is with my .ipk, with my feed, or with the installer... |
| 21:46:18 | kendrick2 | shrugs |
| 21:46:33 | altered | kendrick2: which ROM version do you have? |
| 21:46:37 | BigBoss | probably just you personally :) |
| 21:46:44 | kendrick2 | 1.11 but i want to get 1.10sd back on |
| 21:46:52 | kendrick2 | laughs |
| 21:47:01 | altered | BigBoss: you're just jealous :) |
| 21:47:46 | altered | kendrick2: do you have your Z hooked up to the interweb? |
| 21:47:48 | kendrick2 | bigboss - when's modplayer gonna be done :) |
| 21:47:55 | kendrick2 | altered - INTERWEB BAAAAD |
| 21:47:58 | kendrick2 | yes... many many times. :) |
| 21:48:10 | altered | kendrick2: how about right now? |
| 21:48:13 | kendrick2 | my girlfriend learned how to crimp last night and she and another friend of mine made me an extension :) |
| 21:48:19 | kendrick2 | altered - no net access for little z at work |
| 21:48:22 | kendrick2 | (another reason i miss the agenda) |
| 21:48:35 | kendrick2 | my desktop here doesn't have 2.4 kernel, nor can i configure it safely (i dunno what the hell is IN this box!) |
| 21:48:46 | kendrick2 | and i dont have a spare eth jack in my cube, unfortunately |
| 21:48:56 | BigBoss | kendrik: ask Catalin - he's in here :) |
| 21:49:08 | BigBoss | and the official name is now "tkcMediaPlayer" |
| 21:49:28 | kendrick2 | oh hey, so he is:) |
| 21:49:31 | kendrick2 | pokes & prods |
| 21:50:06 | bipolar_away | is away: I'm not here... Really.... |
| 21:50:21 | Kopsis | Hey gang, does anyone know if Qtopia QProcess class is supposed to work on the Z? |
| 21:50:37 | altered | Kopsis: I don't think so. |
| 21:51:44 | Kopsis | bummer :( That would really be handy. Oh well, thanks! |
| 21:52:44 | altered | anyone care to try installing an .ipk for me and tell me if it works? |
| 21:52:47 | kergoth | Kopsis: fyi, /opt/Qtopia/include/qconfig.h |
| 21:53:16 | altered | http://4.62.62.160/feed/ |
| 21:53:19 | kendrick2 | hmm.. netowrk hiccup here at work |
| 21:53:31 | Kopsis | kergoth: Thanks! |
| 21:54:12 | BigBoss | Wow the FSF is going to release HURD this year hopefully |
| 21:54:18 | BigBoss | isn't that a little to little, a little to late? |
| 21:55:15 | kergoth | indeed |
| 21:57:43 | ljp_work | OZ with HURD?!?! |
| 21:57:58 | kergoth | ljp_work: ew. |
| 21:58:03 | ljp_work | :) |
| 21:58:11 | BigBoss | holy smokes - I wrote Linux an email about 10 minutes ago and he already responded |
| 21:58:23 | BigBoss | I mean Linus, not LInux :) |
| 21:58:43 | ljp_work | he must like you |
| 21:59:04 | | i heard linux was ruling the world of Open Source! http://www.linux.org |
| 21:59:04 | fusion94 | ibot: linux ? |
| 21:59:25 | BigBoss | actually I never spoke to him before |
| 21:59:54 | kendrick2 | wow |
| 21:59:58 | kendrick2 | what did you ask? |
| 22:00:04 | kendrick2 | was it, like "hey - want a free zaurus?" |
| 22:00:42 | BigBoss | naw, I was talking to the president of Bitmover earlier today |
| 22:00:49 | BigBoss | you know LInus is using BitKeeper now |
| 22:00:56 | NetAmp | Flaw leaves Linux computers vulnerable - By Robert Lemos |
| 22:00:56 | NetAmp | Staff Writer, CNET News.com |
| 22:00:56 | NetAmp | March 11, 2002, 2:10 PM PT |
| 22:01:02 | BigBoss | and something came up about software that Linus was looking for |
| 22:01:06 | Neo|Work | http://www.linuks.mine.nu/lesbian/ <-- Lesbian GNU/Linux |
| 22:01:07 | Neo|Work | uhum |
| 22:01:10 | BigBoss | so I wrote him to tell him about something |
| 22:01:11 | kendrick2 | ? |
| 22:01:14 | NetAmp | 14http://news.com.com/2100-1001-857265.html 1:( |
| 22:01:47 | kendrick2 | neo - that r00lz |
| 22:02:00 | Neo|Work | NetAmp: libz? I think that "flaw" is being blown out of propotions. I mean, it's nothing easy to exploit |
| 22:02:04 | Neo|Work | besides, it's all but linux only |
| 22:02:05 | Aelix | Suppose everyone has seen the preorder page at amazon... |
| 22:02:14 | BigBoss | yea, that was all over the news yesterday |
| 22:02:25 | Aelix | Has there been any more info on the release date? |
| 22:02:26 | BigBoss | we talked about it yesterday in our company |
| 22:02:33 | Aelfweld | preorder for the z? |
| 22:02:37 | NetAmp | Neo|Work: yep I read VNC for Windows also uses zlib(.dll) |
| 22:02:39 | Cam | It's great that we're all confident enough to have all the flaws so publicly known |
| 22:02:39 | kendrick2 | aelix - yep :) posted to slashdot, even (they rejected tho) |
| 22:02:41 | BigBoss | Kivio uses libz, but how would someone exploit that ? |
| 22:02:44 | kendrick2 | "this month" :) |
| 22:02:54 | Aelix | NEAT! |
| 22:02:56 | fusion94 | BigBoss: what you think of Larry Mcvoy ? |
| 22:03:23 | BigBoss | fun guy to talk to |
| 22:03:27 | BigBoss | you know him? |
| 22:03:44 | BigBoss | BitKeeper is really a hell of a piece of work. |
| 22:03:48 | fusion94 | BigBoss: yeah |
| 22:03:51 | fusion94 | i know him |
| 22:03:52 | BigBoss | I can see why people use it |
| 22:03:53 | Aelfweld | how much are they asking kendrick2? |
| 22:04:02 | fusion94 | well the license was always the issue |
| 22:04:10 | kendrick2 | amazon asking $499.99 |
| 22:04:26 | kendrick2 | re bz |
| 22:04:27 | BigBoss | i don't blame them |
| 22:04:30 | kendrick2 | my sd card looks borked :( |
| 22:04:32 | Aelfweld | not a bad preorder deal |
| 22:04:44 | Aelfweld | bummer kendrick2 o( |
| 22:05:15 | Neo|Work | kendrick2: hehe. I searched for it on amazon yesterday and it wasn't ther.e :P |
| 22:05:21 | kendrick2 | try again ;) |
| 22:05:40 | Aelfweld | they have any accessories? like an extra cradle, charger or battery? |
| 22:06:03 | Neo|Work | kendrick2: just did. it's funny. :) |
| 22:06:18 | kendrick2 | myzaurus.com does/will |
| 22:06:27 | kendrick2 | last i saw, far from a finished site, tho... and no ordering yet |
| 22:08:26 | NetAmp | 14"...To address the problem, the Pentagon has commissioned a new battlefield targeting system based on a raft of sensing and communications technologies, controlled by a hand-held Pocket PC. It will go into service with US Special Forces in 2003." |
| 22:08:47 | kendrick2 | uh oh |
| 22:08:50 | NetAmp | 14(for those who want the whole article: http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99992005) |
| 22:09:01 | ljp_work | I just want a cradle-less cradle so I can hook up the Z via USB and still use the keyboard! |
| 22:09:27 | kendrick2 | yeah |
| 22:09:37 | NetAmp | ljp: yeah me 2 :) Stupid that they didn't think of that |
| 22:09:39 | Aelfweld | I'd like that myself just a sync cable |
| 22:09:55 | ljp_work | there ya go JHPerlow! |
| 22:10:00 | Aelfweld | too bad they used a wacky connector |
| 22:10:01 | ljp_work | make it so! |
| 22:10:33 | Aelfweld | I'd also like a cf->usb thinger os I can have a hub sitting with eth/disk etc to plug the z into |
| 22:10:42 | ljp_work | I was thinking of hacking my cradle into something I can use the keyboard with |
| 22:11:27 | ljp_work | after I get my other zaurus that is |
| 22:11:29 | Aelfweld | I am afraid to hack my only cradle |
| 22:13:04 | NetAmp | ljp: 'other' zaurus? And I don't even have one :( *wweeeehh* ;) |
| 22:13:16 | NetAmp | heh |
| 22:13:32 | NetAmp | Yeah I wouldn't hack my only cradle either |
| 22:13:35 | ljp_work | ya.. I've been VERY lucky this last 6 months |
| 22:13:39 | Aelix | sharp-usa.com taunts us with their front page. |
| 22:13:59 | NetAmp | Aelix: Yes indeed! Horrible isn't it! :S |
| 22:14:02 | ljp_work | oh I know that! |
| 22:14:27 | Neo|Work | sharp-usa doesn't accept my browsers, the suckers |
| 22:14:33 | ljp_work | JHPerlow: you need to rattle some heads at Sharp for us! |
| 22:14:34 | NetAmp | "Better. Stronger. Faster. |
| 22:14:34 | NetAmp | It's the most highly evolved PDA ever. One of a kind built-in QWERTY keyboard with sliding cover, blazing speed plus 64MB memory. |
| 22:14:34 | NetAmp | And that's just for starters." |
| 22:14:36 | Aelix | what browser be that |
| 22:15:13 | Cam | not Netscape6 / Mozilla for sure |
| 22:15:26 | Neo|Work | of course, the site works fine when I turn javascript off so they don't bounce me away |
| 22:15:36 | Aelix | NeoTron: what browser are you using? |
| 22:15:38 | ljp_work | hehehe gotta love that one |
| 22:15:39 | Aelix | err |
| 22:15:44 | Aelix | stupid ksirc |
| 22:15:58 | Aelix | Neo|Work: what browser are you using? |
| 22:16:19 | Neo|Work | mozilla |
| 22:16:42 | Neo|Work | 0.9.8 to be exact |
| 22:16:54 | Olegs | hi people |
| 22:16:58 | Neo|Work | with JS on they bounce you to a page where they say netscape 6 (sic) isn't supported |
| 22:16:58 | Aelix | yeah just tried it.. that's stupid |
| 22:16:59 | ljp_work | Neo: just change the user-agent string |
| 22:17:06 | NetAmp | Neo: You probably get this? http://www.sharpusa.com/browser.html |
| 22:17:08 | Aelix | Works just fine in konqy :) |
| 22:17:13 | Neo|Work | NetAmp: right |
| 22:17:21 | Cam | Neo|Work: not tempted by Mozilla 0.9.9? |
| 22:17:33 | NetAmp | 5The evil script: 14//BROWSER DETECTION for 3 |
| 22:17:33 | NetAmp | var threeNum = navigator.appVersion.substring(0,1) |
| 22:17:33 | NetAmp | if (parseInt(threeNum) < 4) { |
| 22:17:33 | NetAmp | location.pathname = "/browser.html"; |
| 22:17:33 | NetAmp | } |
| 22:17:37 | Neo|Work | I get 0.9.9 once mandrake cooker is updated. :P |
| 22:17:53 | Neo|Work | NetAmp: it's so dumb |
| 22:17:58 | mark__ | ljp_work: so do i (cradleless cradle) |
| 22:18:00 | kendrick2 | the brochure pdf wont view under xpdf or gv :( |
| 22:18:06 | warmi | hi |
| 22:18:21 | kendrick2 | it ALMSOT works under xpdf :^/ |
| 22:18:24 | ljp_work | Perlow: you listening?! |
| 22:18:49 | kendrick2 | i think it's the same brochure i took a ton of at the IWWW conf to bring back to my local LUGs |
| 22:18:57 | kendrick2 | reminds me... i need to bring the remainder of them to SacLUG thursday |
| 22:19:08 | kendrick2 | hopes his Zaurus works properly by then (<sigh>) |
| 22:19:39 | NetAmp | kendrick2: Zaurus brochures? nah that PDF is to taunting anyway, I won't look at it again ;) |
| 22:19:47 | kendrick2 | ;) |
| 22:20:06 | kendrick2 | considers buying a new SD card at fry's tonight |
| 22:20:07 | kendrick2 | sighs |
| 22:20:12 | kendrick2 | what to do with the old one :^/ |
| 22:20:35 | Cam | sell it on ebay? |
| 22:20:39 | kendrick2 | barf |
| 22:20:44 | Aelix | don't swallow it |
| 22:20:46 | kendrick2 | haha |
| 22:20:50 | ljp_work | kendrick: did you try fdisk? |
| 22:20:53 | kendrick2 | yes i did |
| 22:20:58 | kendrick2 | 1 linux (83) partition |
| 22:21:05 | kendrick2 | see my dmesg postings here earlier? |
| 22:21:23 | kendrick2 | "FAT bread failed ... SD write error 0d ..." |
| 22:21:29 | Cam | try putting it in a digital camera at your local electronics store, and use that to reformat it? |
| 22:21:29 | ljp_work | oh ya |
| 22:21:38 | ljp_work | there ya go |
| 22:21:40 | Aelfweld | it took 2 boots for my sd card to work after making the filesystem. not sure how many times you booted |
| 22:21:50 | Cam | My Fuji camera can reformat SmartMedia |
| 22:22:10 | kendrick2 | it's SD, not smartmedia |
| 22:22:19 | kendrick2 | my rio fucked up a smartmedia once |
| 22:22:20 | Cam | well, is it wortha try? |
| 22:22:27 | kendrick2 | the rio software for linux saw it as larger than it was |
| 22:22:35 | ljp_work | isn't sd proprietary encrypted? |
| 22:22:36 | Olegs | Opera reads PDF very slow |
| 22:22:43 | Olegs | not much useable |
| 22:22:47 | kendrick2 | cam - different physical cards |
| 22:22:48 | Cam | sd is backwards compatible |
| 22:22:51 | Olegs | any other PDF viewers for Z ? |
| 22:22:53 | kendrick2 | you're thinking MMC |
| 22:23:12 | NetAmp | let's port Acrobat ;) |
| 22:23:14 | kendrick2 | ok.. and the z locked up after writing about 5MB of /dev/zero to a file |
| 22:23:15 | kendrick2 | sighs |
| 22:23:17 | Cam | kend I was hoping you could find a camera that uses sd, and provides a reformat function |
| 22:23:31 | kergoth | kendrick2: write it in chunks at a time, instead of all at once |
| 22:23:43 | kendrick2 | sighs and hits the off switch *again* |
| 22:23:52 | Cam | I know Smartmedia != SD (hey my Smartmedia don't fit into my MMC cellphone) |
| 22:23:57 | kendrick2 | people really should just keep technology away from me :) |
| 22:24:03 | kergoth | kendrick2: using count & seek |
| 22:24:07 | kergoth | kendrick2: hah |
| 22:24:40 | kendrick2 | thinking of sticking with 1.11 rom and an ext2 formatted sd card |
| 22:24:45 | kendrick2 | anyone have luck getting ipks to install onto that? |
| 22:24:55 | kendrick2 | my main reason for using paul's was for more install space |
| 22:25:07 | kendrick2 | i can live with the 5MB less RAM :) |
| 22:25:22 | catalin | is using 1.11 and a ext3 cf |
| 22:25:27 | kergoth | kendrick2: good luck, alternat install paths are flaky in my experience, and my Z doesnt have ipkg installed so i cant experiemnt |
| 22:25:31 | catalin | ext2, even |
| 22:25:33 | kergoth | yawns |
| 22:25:41 | Aelfweld | I was able to install to cf on the commandline sometimes the gui wigged out |
| 22:25:48 | kendrick2 | i use cf for ethernet |
| 22:25:55 | Hellaenergy | kergoth: Wake the $%^# up |
| 22:25:57 | Aelfweld | sd/cf should be the same |
| 22:26:05 | catalin | yup |
| 22:26:31 | Aelfweld | if not just symlink /mnt/cf to /mnt/sd ;) |
| 22:27:53 | kendrick2 | wow... yeah, trying to run mke2fs gives "sd : acmd [ 23 ] response [ 04 ] ... SD write error 0d |
| 22:27:56 | kendrick2 | (in dmesg) |
| 22:28:20 | kergoth | Hellaenergy: dont have enough caffeine yet. :-) |
| 22:29:57 | NetAmp | hands kergoth a Jolt cola |
| 22:30:00 | NetAmp | ;) |
| 22:30:08 | kendrick2 | so am i totally fucked? |
| 22:30:19 | kendrick2 | out $80 bucks, with a dead SD card? |
| 22:30:30 | kergoth | kendrick2: no warranty? |
| 22:30:40 | kendrick2 | good question |
| 22:30:47 | kergoth | I should order a case of Bawls |
| 22:32:01 | kendrick2 | probably got a warranty |
| 22:32:08 | kendrick2 | considers fooling with fdisk again |
| 22:32:34 | Olegs | guys, what's a good deal on 128Meg CF card? |
| 22:32:51 | Olegs | does $72 sounds good |
| 22:32:52 | Olegs | & |
| 22:32:53 | Olegs | ? |
| 22:33:08 | ljp_work | ya sounds good |
| 22:33:18 | Aelfweld | check www.newegg.com they have good prices. I think a 128 is 43? or was that a 64 |
| 22:33:24 | kergoth | how much are 128mb sd cards running nowadays? |
| 22:33:36 | Neo|Work | man, I'm about to buy a 64 MB SD for $69 and that's pretty good |
| 22:33:56 | Olegs | I don't want SD yet |
| 22:33:59 | Aelfweld | I got my sd card sandisk 64M retail in nyc for 59 |
| 22:34:05 | Neo|Work | damn. CF is a lot cheaper |
| 22:34:12 | kendrick2 | if i want to make it a vfat partition again, what do i set it as in fdisk? |
| 22:34:20 | Olegs | slower than CF, and I don't have CF periferals yet |
| 22:34:38 | Cam | is wireless CF a possibility or is it just too hard on battery life? |
| 22:35:14 | kendrick2 | what filesystem type do SD cards come with to begin with? |
| 22:35:20 | kendrick2 | sees many different flavors of FAT in fidsk |
| 22:35:33 | prefect | I think you want vfat |
| 22:35:53 | Aelfweld | newegg has mrflash 128cf for $43 the sd card I got at www.adorama.com(except I walked in) |
| 22:36:15 | kendrick2 | plain old vfat? |
| 22:36:22 | kendrick2 | not vfat16, or win95 vfat16? |
| 22:36:33 | kergoth | kendrick2: correct |
| 22:37:19 | kendrick2 | shit - what's the hex code? |
| 22:37:26 | kendrick2 | i can't read this output on this tiny screen :) |
| 22:38:00 | Neo|Work | Aelfweld: they have cheaper SD too |
| 22:38:08 | Cam | kendrick2: 4 or 6 |
| 22:38:20 | Cam | 6 FAT16 |
| 22:38:24 | Cam | ? |
| 22:38:31 | Neo|Work | Aelfweld: newegg is a price finder btw? |
| 22:39:06 | Aelfweld | Neo|Work: newegg does has cheaper SD I was just in a hurry. newegg isn't a pricefinder as far as I know |
| 22:39:21 | kendrick2 | runs mkfs.vfat |
| 22:39:24 | Aelfweld | just a tech store sort of place |
| 22:39:42 | kendrick2 | did newegg used to be egghead software? |
| 22:39:43 | Neo|Work | ah |
| 22:39:44 | Aelfweld | someone at my office pointed them out to me |
| 22:39:48 | kergoth | kendrick2: yeah |
| 22:39:53 | Aelfweld | no it did not kendrick2 |
| 22:40:10 | kendrick2 | interesting |
| 22:40:35 | kendrick2 | dmesg chock-ful of s write error '0d' 's :( |
| 22:40:37 | Neo|Work | does brand matter at all btw? I saw something on the qtopia list(s) about how a specific brand didn't work well or what not? |
| 22:41:03 | kergoth | kendrick2: egghead became just egghead.com i guess |
| 22:41:06 | kergoth | yawns |
| 22:42:09 | Neo|Work | I remember egghead retail stores. they were always bad and expensive |
| 22:42:33 | kendrick2 | woah... tried to copy a bunch of stuff to SD card and system is not-responding and slwoly spitting out 'read-only fs' errors :( |
| 22:42:42 | kendrick2 | huffs |
| 22:42:42 | BigBoss | yea, those were the days |
| 22:42:46 | BigBoss | hanging out at egghead |
| 22:42:51 | kergoth | yep |
| 22:43:01 | kendrick2 | preferred the old electronic store full of 2600 games ;) |
| 22:44:50 | NetAmp | lalala |
| 22:45:22 | kendrick2 | oh shit.. 'du' on /mnt/card is locking up too! |
| 22:45:42 | kendrick2 | ouch! ok.. i'm going to fry's this evening :^/ |
| 22:46:17 | NetAmp | 14..:: 10 days 'till Z-day ::.. 15(?) |
| 22:46:24 | Aelfweld | err |
| 22:46:40 | Aelfweld | the card is supposed to be unmounted when you fdisk/mke2fs? |
| 22:47:23 | Neo|Work | Should I get toshiba or panasonic SD or pay $20 more and get Sandisk? |
| 22:47:35 | Neo|Work | $47 for 64 MB |
| 22:47:54 | Olegs | don't get Toshiba |
| 22:47:58 | Aelfweld | the sandisk works well for me so far. I think there were some issues mentioned with the toshiba but I cannot recall |
| 22:49:32 | Neo|Work | hmm, ok. |
| 22:49:55 | Neo|Work | anyone know of a better priced 64 MB sandisk than some $68 or so? (amazon.com) |
| 22:50:19 | kendrick2 | that was an odd quit message :) |
| 22:50:54 | Neo|Work | hehe |
| 22:51:14 | Aelfweld | I think I posted 2 better prices even |
| 22:52:11 | scanline | is away: lab |
| 22:53:19 | Neo|Work | Aelfweld: for sandisk ? |
| 22:53:39 | Olegs | bye people |
| 22:54:18 | Neo|Work | ...buy.com.. |
| 22:55:08 | kendrick2 | interesting |
| 22:55:12 | kendrick2 | i can't even write to the sd card any more |
| 22:55:23 | kendrick2 | the system seems to be caching stuff (like, i touched a new file 'foo') |
| 22:55:28 | kendrick2 | but when i suspend/resume, it's gone |
| 22:55:58 | Cam | kendrick2: is there a write protect switch or something? |
| 22:56:59 | NetAmp | hallo |
| 22:57:23 | Neo|Work | wtf |
| 22:57:38 | kendrick2 | yes |
| 22:57:40 | kendrick2 | it's not set tho |
| 22:57:53 | Cam | sorry for the insulting Q :) |
| 22:59:43 | kendrick2 | hehe - np :) |
| 22:59:48 | kendrick2 | i'm not some kind of sd card expert :) |
| 23:00:27 | Aelfweld | yeah adorama and doesn't newegg have sandisk? |
| 23:03:54 | scanline | is back (gone 00:11:44) |
| 23:05:39 | whardier | rubs up against scanline |
| 23:05:43 | kendrick2 | heh |
| 23:05:47 | whardier | I love it when you come back |
| 23:05:48 | kendrick2 | pokes neotron |
| 23:05:49 | kendrick2 | SDL! |
| 23:05:54 | scanline | um. thanks... |
| 23:05:57 | scanline | ;) |
| 23:07:50 | Neo|Work | still don't have my Z! |
| 23:08:02 | Neo|Work | AelfAFK: didn't see sandisk SD at newegg |
| 23:08:04 | NetAmp | neither |
| 23:08:09 | NetAmp | ;) |
| 23:08:37 | Cam | I wonder when the contest prizes will be shipped... |
| 23:10:30 | kergoth | hm, i should update my resume |
| 23:12:40 | NetAmp | 's gonna get some sleep |
| 23:12:59 | NetAmp | Gotta get to work early tomorrow... |
| 23:13:09 | NetAmp | C-ya'll |
| 23:17:30 | Neo|Work | Cam: yeah |
| 23:17:36 | Neo|Work | hope we get them before april 2nd |
| 23:18:12 | kergoth | hm what are some good employment sites? (dice.com, monster.com, prgjobs.com, anything else?) |
| 23:18:52 | Cam | kergoth where are you based? |
| 23:18:55 | Neo|Work | www.nowayinhell.com ? |
| 23:19:02 | kergoth | Neo|Work: bah |
| 23:19:23 | kergoth | Cam: minnesota. trying to get out of tech support before it drives me to insanity |
| 23:19:25 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:19:48 | Neo|Work | I don't do tech support but still want out. ;-) |
| 23:19:52 | Cam | <-- uk based |
| 23:19:54 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:20:03 | kergoth | ah |
| 23:20:22 | Neo|Work | so send any "Telecommuting job developing games and apps for Sharp Zaurus" job openings to me. ;-) |
| 23:20:27 | kergoth | hah |
| 23:20:40 | kergoth | dreamin :-) |
| 23:21:18 | Neo|Work | ok, fine, I'd go for PalmOS and WinCE too. ;-) |
| 23:21:28 | Neo|Work | embedded stuff is fun |
| 23:22:07 | Neo|Work | woops. almost dropped water on my keyboard |
| 23:23:38 | catalin | mozilla |
| 23:23:49 | catalin | err, wrong window :) |
| 23:23:53 | kendrick2 | neo - how's sdl coming along? ;) |
| 23:23:56 | kendrick2 | got an ipkg for me? |
| 23:24:05 | kendrick2 | bwahaahahha |
| 23:27:52 | Neo|Work | kendrick2: nope! |
| 23:27:55 | Neo|Work | NEVER! |
| 23:28:31 | Neo|Work | btw, still didn't get my Z |
| 23:29:54 | kendrick2 | :^( |
| 23:31:05 | Fluxwerk | kergoth: techies.com is nice |
| 23:31:17 | Fluxwerk | likes his job just wants to make more at it |
| 23:33:10 | kergoth | Fluxwerk: what do you do? |
| 23:40:32 | Fluxwerk | it |
| 23:40:42 | Fluxwerk | on/off site admin |
| 23:41:26 | Fluxwerk | a little of it all |
| 23:41:46 | Fluxwerk | un*x/m$/mac/Liux |
| 23:41:56 | Fluxwerk | linux even |
| 23:41:59 | Fluxwerk | hpux |
| 23:42:01 | Fluxwerk | solaris |
| 23:42:11 | Fluxwerk | blah blah blah ;) |
| 23:42:16 | tux_mike | blah |
| 23:44:32 | kergoth | ah |
| 23:44:35 | kergoth | wtf did i do with my Z |
| 23:44:37 | kergoth | hrm |
| 23:45:21 | tux_mike | wtf did you do with the latest OZ? :) |
| 23:45:45 | kergoth | i'm trying to test a new version atm |
| 23:45:49 | kergoth | but i need to find my zaurus first |
| 23:45:49 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:45:55 | kergoth | finally added sysvinit to the buildsystem |
| 23:46:01 | tux_mike | woo! :) |
| 23:46:23 | tux_mike | kergoth: did you check in your coat pocket? |
| 23:46:27 | kergoth | going to see if it is happy. then i'm going to add the ability for the buildsystem to run the postinst and preinst scripts from a deb or ipk |
| 23:46:45 | kergoth | im gonna have to have it drop a startup script into place to run all the various postinst & preinst scripts.. hmm |
| 23:46:59 | kergoth | tux_mike: yes. i'm digging in my duffel bag tha ti bring to work atm, but i dunno |
| 23:47:01 | tux_mike | kergoth: whatever works :) |
| 23:47:05 | kergoth | tux_mike: i found the unit now, but i lost the battery cover |
| 23:47:06 | kergoth | tux_mike: hah! |
| 23:47:11 | tux_mike | doh! |
| 23:47:12 | kergoth | tux_mike: damn cluttered bag. |
| 23:47:17 | kergoth | wtf are my throwing knives doing in my work bag |
| 23:47:19 | kendrick2 | when's sharp due out with a new rom? |
| 23:47:20 | kergoth | ? |
| 23:47:31 | kendrick2 | (ie, one with better text editor, more bugfixes, and better battery status indicator?) |
| 23:47:32 | tux_mike | if i can't find my Z, it's either in my coat breast pocket or my car |
| 23:47:48 | tux_mike | kergoth: bah, we don't need no steenkin covers :) |
| 23:48:10 | tux_mike | kergoth: what are you doing with throwing knifes? :) |
| 23:48:19 | kergoth | tux_mike: hehe. |
| 23:48:28 | kergoth | tux_mike: throwing them? what else? :-P |
| 23:49:19 | tux_mike | kergoth: not the best thing to bring to work |
| 23:50:27 | whardier | #hax0rs@brasnet.org |
| 23:50:31 | whardier | anybody know anything? |
| 23:52:52 | kendrick2 | emails Sandisk tech support |
| 23:53:40 | kendrick2 | heads off to fry's |
| 23:53:41 | kendrick2 | <sigh> |
| 23:53:54 | kendrick2 | cya folks |
| 23:57:18 | Fluxwerk | time to go home |
| 23:57:27 | Fluxwerk | 7pm nice work day :P |
| 23:57:30 | Fluxwerk | later all |
