| 00:00:04 | Neo|Work | yeps |
| 00:00:18 | Neo|Work | and to do that now I use mark_ as the tester. hehe |
| 00:00:24 | Cam | what sort of cache does the CPU of the Z have? |
| 00:00:43 | warmi | what kind of alpha are you using Neo ? 50% ? |
| 00:00:47 | Neo|Work | of course I _can't_ do blitting w/o a mask for real so it would only be useful for comparision |
| 00:01:09 | Neo|Work | warmi: now, for animation, 1-bit, i.e opaque or not |
| 00:01:19 | warmi | this is how I figured out what was slowing down my Qt code on Windows by blitting without a mask |
| 00:01:25 | Neo|Work | I dumped the pure alpha for animations (but niftily draw static balls using it :-) |
| 00:01:34 | fusion94 | is away: lunch |
| 00:01:52 | warmi | how do you draw alpha static balls ? |
| 00:01:56 | Neo|Work | and you don't notice the jaggies much on the falling pieces anyway so it's no great loss of looks |
| 00:02:03 | Neo|Work | that is done using a cache bitmap |
| 00:02:11 | Neo|Work | I draw those only when they change, not each frame |
| 00:02:28 | warmi | yeah :-) but how do you precalculate your alpha image ? |
| 00:02:34 | Neo|Work | precaculate? |
| 00:02:53 | Neo|Work | whatcha mean? I use png images with alpha. I scale them to size and save the scaled image in a local array of QPixmaps |
| 00:03:02 | warmi | ah ok :-) |
| 00:03:13 | Neo|Work | i.e p.drawPixmap(xpos, ypos, gfx[tileid-1]) |
| 00:03:37 | Neo|Work | and at the very most that will occur some 300 times in a whole animation |
| 00:03:38 | warmi | basically, you are using QImage to handle alpha for you:-) |
| 00:03:39 | Neo|Work | not much |
| 00:03:55 | Neo|Work | well, I use QImage for scaling. the qpixmap's have alpha... |
| 00:04:17 | Neo|Work | i.e 32 bpp images have 8 bit alpha |
| 00:05:51 | warmi | I was talking more about mixing your image with the background so it looks like it is half transparent .. that sort of stuff |
| 00:06:24 | warmi | Qpixmap cannot do that , you need to alpha two QImages and then resulting one convert to QPixmap and then blit |
| 00:07:21 | Neo|Work | no |
| 00:07:34 | Neo|Work | the images are loaded and have the alpha |
| 00:07:49 | Neo|Work | i.e QPixmap img = Resource::loadPixmap("name") |
| 00:08:00 | Neo|Work | if name.png is a 32 bpp png with alpha, so is img |
| 00:08:05 | Neo|Work | anyhow, meeting. |
| 00:08:08 | Neo|Work | is away: mtg |
| 00:08:12 | warmi | :-) |
| 00:10:35 | kendrick2 | re scribe |
| 00:11:51 | scribeMob | hey kendrick2 |
| 00:12:05 | scribeMob | hey, we don't have to have our final submissions in today, do we? |
| 00:12:16 | kendrick2 | too late, i think |
| 00:12:19 | warmi | no |
| 00:12:26 | Cam | finals are in March |
| 00:12:28 | kendrick2 | oh - FINAL, no, i guess |
| 00:12:33 | kendrick2 | psst - Cam.. it IS march ;) |
| 00:12:34 | Cam | sorry april |
| 00:12:36 | warmi | you have one more month |
| 00:12:39 | Cam | off by one error |
| 00:13:30 | kendrick2 | ok - i'm off |
| 00:13:31 | kendrick2 | bye all! |
| 00:13:45 | Cam | I have a theory, the 'winner' emails went out, but got culled by spam killing scripts |
| 00:14:42 | warmi | heh |
| 00:15:45 | warmi | I think it is a bit less sinister than that , they all are asleep , is is well past midnight up there |
| 00:15:54 | ljp | no.. they are going to announce that the announcement is delayed |
| 00:17:03 | scribeMob | :) |
| 00:17:08 | scribeMob | I neeeeed to know! |
| 00:17:27 | scribeMob | it bums me out to have to ask others to test my app on the Z. |
| 00:17:53 | Cam | they must announce in secret - to avoid disappointing all those hardowrking coders |
| 00:18:14 | altered | I wish Tolltech considered these deadlines more seriously... it's starting to reflect very poorly on them in my mind... |
| 00:18:35 | Cam | c'mon we should be used to shifting deadlines |
| 00:18:54 | warmi | hehe ... |
| 00:19:15 | Cam | although... I always make sure I have a changing requirement to match up to the shifting deadling |
| 00:19:23 | altered | being used to shifting deadlines is a dangerous thing... |
| 00:20:09 | warmi | altered: hell, my boss doesn't think so .. I guess he enjoys living on the edge |
| 00:21:57 | ljp | scribe: then don't ask... tell! |
| 00:24:05 | ][N-Flux | if they moved it the Z ain't gonna come out in march |
| 00:29:54 | tux_mike | woo! go intel! kinda! |
| 00:30:09 | ][N-Flux | tux_mike: ???\ |
| 00:30:59 | tux_mike | they are against dmca (but think there should be copy protection) |
| 00:31:42 | tux_mike | s/dmca/sssca |
| 00:31:47 | ][N-Flux | procs should have no such feature |
| 00:32:59 | tux_mike | no. but with no legislation we can go around it |
| 00:33:18 | tux_mike | and use them as random number generators! :) |
| 00:34:17 | tux_mike | but i don't think it should be *manitory* |
| 00:36:21 | ][N-Flux | bbiab |
| 00:36:25 | ][N-Flux | is away: damned errands |
| 00:46:57 | tux_mike | hey kergoth |
| 00:48:28 | | sieve: i'm not following you... |
| 00:48:28 | sieve | ibot: BURP!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 00:48:46 | sieve | :P |
| 00:48:52 | sieve | g'night all |
| 00:49:08 | sieve|gone | is away: I'm busy |
| 01:13:41 | ljp | hmmmm |
| 01:47:12 | Aelfweld | greetings and salutations |
| 01:50:55 | peanut | waves |
| 01:53:16 | ljp | hello |
| 01:53:27 | Aelfweld | undulates |
| 01:57:05 | peanut | ljp! |
| 01:57:07 | ljp | is doing some disk cleaning after he noticed he's running out of room on a 4 Gb partition |
| 02:03:55 | ljp | how do I get so much source code laying around? |
| 02:05:12 | warmi | anybody got any response from trolls about contest yet ? |
| 02:05:28 | ][N-Flux | no they are just gonna keep it all and run wit it |
| 02:06:00 | ljp | they just decided to give everyone a zaurus! :) |
| 02:06:14 | ][N-Flux | yeah |
| 02:06:39 | Aelfweld | damn that was nice everyone get a z. I wish I had stumbled on the contest in time |
| 02:06:54 | ljp | ya I wish |
| 02:06:57 | warmi | hehe |
| 02:07:05 | Fastolfe | whatzat ? |
| 02:07:22 | ][N-Flux | I don't think that htye are gonna launch this month |
| 02:07:24 | Fastolfe | I want a zaurus, been needing one for so long :) |
| 02:07:36 | ljp | we decided for Trolltech to give everyone Zaurus! |
| 02:07:45 | scribe | here here |
| 02:07:48 | Fastolfe | oh yeah, good decision |
| 02:08:02 | Fastolfe | actually |
| 02:08:13 | Fastolfe | I'll take the big screen tv thank you very much |
| 02:08:18 | Aelfweld | lol |
| 02:08:48 | Fastolfe | didn't they want 10.000 apps or something silly like that ? |
| 02:08:57 | warmi | well, the I guess I am gonna get stuck with $10 000 |
| 02:10:13 | Fastolfe | yeah so anyway, anybody knows if TT finally said anything about the contest ? |
| 02:10:14 | ljp | now if we can just get Haavard or Eirik to sign the papers... |
| 02:10:24 | Aelfweld | they got 2000 entries, 200 apps, 130 of which were real apps(others didn't compile) |
| 02:10:29 | Fastolfe | lol |
| 02:10:42 | peanut | hehehe |
| 02:10:43 | Fastolfe | they have less entry than the IOCCC lolol |
| 02:10:47 | Fastolfe | entries |
| 02:10:49 | ljp | my entry didn't compile cause it was already compiled |
| 02:10:59 | Aelfweld | lol |
| 02:11:06 | Fastolfe | ljp: did they send you a mail ? |
| 02:11:10 | ljp | no |
| 02:11:10 | warmi | well, en entry for IOCCC is somewhat easier to write .. |
| 02:11:12 | warmi | :-) |
| 02:11:12 | Fastolfe | oic |
| 02:11:33 | Fastolfe | warmi: I'm a runner up for the IOCCC. Believe me, good obfuscated C is very hard :) |
| 02:11:35 | ][N-Flux | how many games |
| 02:11:44 | ljp | and I had to package up my entry for x86 instead of arm |
| 02:12:36 | warmi | it seems strange that around 40% of entries were trown out because of compillation issues .... I mean, either people are not carefull or trolls have very unusuall hardware/OS/setups |
| 02:13:52 | ljp | hmm. well I hope it didn't have to do with the documents saying header files were in the rong place |
| 02:14:25 | warmi | i didn't mean that... I meant that it takes less effort time and commitment wise to enter IOCCC contest |
| 02:14:36 | Fastolfe | hmmm, the handango thing is still handangoed |
| 02:14:40 | ][N-Flux | zauruszone down? |
| 02:14:42 | Fastolfe | screw that |
| 02:14:56 | warmi | ljp: I compiled my stuff on vanilla RH box + QTopia binary RPM |
| 02:15:01 | Fastolfe | SF was bloody down again today |
| 02:15:05 | warmi | couldn't be simpler than that |
| 02:15:15 | Fastolfe | thinks OSDN is about to die for good very soon |
| 02:15:54 | warmi | Fastfole: .. considering problems of their parent company, I woudn't be surprised ... |
| 02:15:58 | tux_mike | Fastolfe: hrm? |
| 02:16:15 | Fastolfe | yeah |
| 02:16:24 | Fastolfe | but it's quite obvious these days |
| 02:16:25 | tux_mike | va in trouble again? |
| 02:16:39 | ljp | well.. the qtopia doc state #include <applnk.h> when its actually #include <qpe/applnk.h> |
| 02:16:44 | Fastolfe | /. subscription, OPN begging for bandwidth, SF always down |
| 02:16:49 | Fastolfe | I think they're cooked |
| 02:16:56 | tux_mike | prolly |
| 02:17:14 | FastolfeTelnetStud | Time for the daily telnet IRC exercise :) |
| 02:17:23 | tux_mike | you can't base a business off of free crappy software (most sw on sf is just bad) |
| 02:17:58 | FastolfeTelnetStud | well, VA is a victim of the dot-con. I'm surprised they lasted for so bloody long |
| 02:18:08 | tux_mike | yah |
| 02:19:20 | FastolfeTelnetStud | I'm sure glad I ain't got no project hosted on SF. There are a lot of ppl who don't even have a backup of their stuffs, it'll hurt them hard when they lose it all |
| 02:19:48 | ][N-Flux | where will all thos projects go |
| 02:19:53 | tux_mike | yah, and when they don't have access |
| 02:20:00 | FastolfeTelnetStud | /dev/null I would think |
| 02:20:08 | tux_mike | hopefully |
| 02:20:18 | Aelfweld | funny thing is people warned this would happen |
| 02:20:25 | FastolfeTelnetStud | lol. That's harsh, there's some good stuff on SF |
| 02:20:36 | tux_mike | FastolfeTelnetStud: 1% or less |
| 02:20:57 | FastolfeTelnetStud | I:I |
| 02:21:04 | Fastolfe | oops |
| 02:21:19 | tux_mike | not getting the hang of it? ;) |
| 02:21:21 | warmi | these days it is quite easy to get yourself some broadband connection and simply run your own little server . |
| 02:21:31 | tux_mike | that's what i do for now |
| 02:21:32 | warmi | we talking here $50/month |
| 02:21:37 | Fastolfe | Damn, when you guys talk, it messes up my telnet session so bad I can't even type anymore :) |
| 02:21:49 | ljp | hahaha |
| 02:21:52 | tux_mike | well, screw you too! :) |
| 02:22:04 | ][N-Flux | aw |
| 02:22:06 | ][N-Flux | you |
| 02:22:07 | ][N-Flux | poor |
| 02:22:08 | ][N-Flux | baby |
| 02:22:08 | FastolfeTelnetStud | PONG 14578562345 |
| 02:22:10 | ][N-Flux | :) |
| 02:22:12 | Fastolfe | shit |
| 02:22:14 | Aelfweld | lol |
| 02:22:27 | FastolfeTelnetStud | thanks |
| 02:22:28 | tux_mike | FastolfeTelnetStud: give it up with the telnet irc :) |
| 02:22:41 | FastolfeTelnetStud | But I |
| 02:22:46 | Fastolfe | arrgh |
| 02:22:49 | tux_mike | lol |
| 02:23:01 | Aelfweld | rou need to wrap your telnet session in a perl script to do the pongs ;) |
| 02:23:06 | FastolfeTelnetStud | is pissed off now ... |
| 02:23:12 | tux_mike | lol :) |
| 02:23:32 | FastolfeTelnetStud | Aelfweld: so, that would be, like, an irc client ? :) |
| 02:23:47 | Aelfweld | no just a pong client |
| 02:23:49 | FastolfeTelnetStud | PONG |
| 02:23:54 | FastolfeTelnetStud | crap |
| 02:24:02 | ][N-Flux | ping |
| 02:24:04 | ][N-Flux | pong |
| 02:24:04 | tux_mike | i could use a pong client on my Z :) |
| 02:24:09 | ][N-Flux | zip |
| 02:24:10 | ][N-Flux | bang |
| 02:24:13 | ][N-Flux | pop |
| 02:24:14 | ][N-Flux | snap |
| 02:24:15 | ][N-Flux | :) |
| 02:24:17 | FastolfeTelnetStud | I get the hang of it after an hour or so |
| 02:24:34 | Aelfweld | lol |
| 02:25:01 | tux_mike | FastolfeTelnetStud: you are nuts |
| 02:25:27 | tux_mike | FastolfeTelnetStud: how's that cpu coming? |
| 02:25:33 | FastolfeTelnetStud | tux_mike: thanks a lot |
| 02:25:50 | peanut | yawns |
| 02:25:51 | FastolfeTelnetStud | I'm still working on |
| 02:25:55 | Fastolfe | fuck |
| 02:26:01 | tux_mike | boom ;) |
| 02:26:24 | ][N-Flux | PoP |
| 02:26:33 | FastolfeTelnetStud | grr |
| 02:26:36 | ][N-Flux | hey FastolfeTelnetStud |
| 02:27:00 | Fastolfe | 1h2e3l4l5o 6!7! |
| 02:27:09 | FastolfeTelnetStud | oops wrong window |
| 02:27:19 | tux_mike | hrm... i'm gonna need to start making some groundwork docs on tuxnami |
| 02:28:23 | FastolfeTelnetStud | |
| 02:28:38 | FastolfeTelnetStud | wrong sequence |
| 02:28:41 | Aelfweld | hehe |
| 02:28:46 | ][N-Flux | So, do you all think that the Z will launch this month? |
| 02:28:52 | tux_mike | i hope so |
| 02:28:58 | FastolfeTelnetStud | no way |
| 02:29:15 | ][N-Flux | me either |
| 02:29:18 | tux_mike | i hate the hardware waiting game |
| 02:29:24 | ][N-Flux | they better not wait too long |
| 02:29:38 | tux_mike | no, then all the hype will be gone |
| 02:29:44 | tux_mike | it's starting to die as it is |
| 02:29:50 | Aelfweld | lol |
| 02:29:52 | Aelfweld | quite a ctcp |
| 02:30:10 | tux_mike | FastolfeTelnetStud: wrong command? |
| 02:31:05 | FastolfeTelnetStud | hmm |
| 02:31:14 | FastolfeTelnetStud | much better :) |
| 02:31:40 | ][N-Flux | yeah, the whole thing seems like a clusterfuck atm :) |
| 02:31:57 | FastolfeTelnetStud | what thing ? |
| 02:32:12 | tux_mike | well, i like the fact that my changes may make it back into the real Z :) |
| 02:32:20 | tux_mike | s/real/commercial |
| 02:32:35 | ][N-Flux | FastolfeTelnetStud: Software development |
| 02:32:36 | FastolfeTelnetStud | tux_mike: I'd love the VNC thing to make it too in fact |
| 02:32:46 | tux_mike | that'd be cool. |
| 02:32:52 | Aelfweld | the vnc thing is super sweet |
| 02:33:02 | FastolfeTelnetStud | []N_FLUX: ah yeah, I agree |
| 02:33:20 | tux_mike | FastolfeTelnetStud: i wish i had the directory component of tuxnami done, then i'd be able to integrate it into the Z :) |
| 02:33:22 | ][N-Flux | too many branches of the same thing |
| 02:33:53 | tux_mike | flus: what same thing? |
| 02:33:56 | tux_mike | flux |
| 02:33:57 | FastolfeTelnetStud | privmsg #zaurus :privmsg #zaurus tuxnami ? |
| 02:33:59 | Aelfweld | whats tuxnami? |
| 02:34:18 | Aelfweld | echoing fast? |
| 02:34:32 | Aelfweld | oops nm |
| 02:34:40 | Aelfweld | learns to read |
| 02:34:46 | FastolfeTelnetStud | no, I've got this macro in my kbd to send "privmsg #zaurus :" to ease things up ") |
| 02:35:03 | Aelfweld | isn't that like an irc client? |
| 02:35:08 | Aelfweld | and why not one for pong ;) |
| 02:35:12 | FastolfeTelnetStud | but the telnet lagged, so I did it several times |
| 02:35:12 | tux_mike | Aelfweld: a software package i'm designing, it's now a pipe dream, but it includes a directory structure (modified ldap) and a desktop environment. big venture, prolly gonna be commercial |
| 02:35:26 | Aelfweld | ah |
| 02:35:40 | tux_mike | it's meant to target billg right between the eyes ;) |
| 02:35:46 | FastolfeTelnetStud | aelfweld: because I have only one macro, and pong is easier to type, and I need to lift the ping ID anyway :) |
| 02:35:56 | ][N-Flux | I just saw a .net ad |
| 02:36:00 | ][N-Flux | makes me sick |
| 02:36:16 | tux_mike | i saw a couple. they are rip-offs on the older ibm ones |
| 02:36:36 | FastolfeTelnetStud | did you see that email where Billg G. tries to blame the 640K cockup onto IBM now ? what a fuckhead |
| 02:36:39 | tux_mike | damnit! |
| 02:37:06 | FastolfeTelnetStud | PONG |
| 02:37:07 | tux_mike | FastolfeTelnetStud: yah. ibm had no real say in the 640k dealie, it was him and intel! :) |
| 02:37:18 | Neo|Work | is back (gone 02:29:10) |
| 02:37:24 | ][N-Flux | hey Neo |
| 02:37:25 | FastolfeTelnetStud | yeah ! |
| 02:38:03 | ][N-Flux | We should all be using amiga |
| 02:38:40 | FastolfeTelnetStud | at least not the 68K amigaOS |
| 02:38:58 | ][N-Flux | Workbench rules |
| 02:39:10 | ][N-Flux | screw all the new os'es :) |
| 02:39:23 | FastolfeTelnetStud | privmsg #zaurus :{}N-Flux: you're a geek ... |
| 02:39:32 | tux_mike | i like osx so far. mix that with some kde and gnome stuff, you'd have a bitchin gui |
| 02:40:06 | ][N-Flux | tux_mike: but it's under Apple rule |
| 02:40:11 | ][N-Flux | so feck it |
| 02:40:18 | ][N-Flux | is an OG |
| 02:40:22 | ][N-Flux | original geek |
| 02:40:45 | tux_mike | ][N-Flux: well, i'm not so harsh on apple. |
| 02:40:55 | FastolfeTelnetStud | is an original geek as well :) |
| 02:41:01 | ][N-Flux | Job's needs some medical help though |
| 02:41:02 | FastolfeTelnetStud | crap |
| 02:41:07 | tux_mike | that i agree to |
| 02:42:03 | ][N-Flux | Apple will always have that same market |
| 02:42:15 | ][N-Flux | Wiredo's with too much money ;) |
| 02:42:16 | FastolfeTelnetStud | job is a maniac, that's what made the Apple company great and doomed at the same time |
| 02:42:34 | Neo|Work | is away: I'm busy |
| 02:43:31 | Neo|Work | is back (gone 00:00:56) |
| 02:43:42 | Neo|Work | oops |
| 02:43:44 | Neo|Work | that was one long fscking meeting |
| 02:43:44 | peanut | yawns |
| 02:43:44 | FastolfeTelnetStud | that was quick |
| 02:43:54 | tux_mike | well, if i can actually make tuxnami, linux will be on the desktop in most places :) |
| 02:44:20 | Neo|Work | I'm kinda agreeing that we won't see any contest beta results today |
| 02:44:24 | FastolfeTelnetStud | tux_mike: oh dear, is this another plan to take over the desktop ? :) |
| 02:44:28 | Neo|Work | seems unlikely if they are to come from trolltech |
| 02:44:34 | Neo|Work | _possibly_ late night |
| 02:44:38 | Neo|Work | like their morning |
| 02:44:45 | tux_mike | this is the plan to take over the desktop ;) |
| 02:45:56 | FastolfeTelnetStud | hmm |
| 02:46:04 | tux_mike | i'll bbiaf... i |
| 02:46:06 | FastolfeTelnetStud | not so studly tonite |
| 02:46:09 | Neo|Work | that's what Jason said at least |
| 02:46:15 | tux_mike | 'm going over to my friend's house. |
| 02:46:28 | FastolfeTelnetStud | have phun :) |
| 02:46:35 | Neo|Work | not the large number I expected (i.e I can't see why it took a month to judge. :-)) |
| 02:46:51 | FastolfeTelnetStud | yeah |
| 02:47:12 | ljp | they were too bust working on innovating qpe |
| 02:47:20 | ljp | s/bust/busy |
| 02:47:32 | Neo|Work | that's like 4-5 apps per day |
| 02:47:37 | Neo|Work | shrugs |
| 02:47:38 | FastolfeTelnetStud | that I doubt (inside knowledge, can't disclose) |
| 02:47:45 | Neo|Work | no big deal |
| 02:48:09 | Neo|Work | of course, it's better for me. :-PP |
| 02:48:33 | FastolfeTelnetStud | I think I'll be disqualifies, it sux :) |
| 02:48:54 | warmi | well, Neo .. for example, it takes some time to understand what is the goal in your game .... you should be happy they were willing to spent that time with the apps |
| 02:49:13 | Neo|Work | manual! |
| 02:49:13 | FastolfeTelnetStud | |
| 02:49:22 | Neo|Work | what else can I do than to write a manual? gesh. :P |
| 02:49:26 | warmi | come on .. who reads that stuff :-) |
| 02:49:28 | Neo|Work | if you don't spend a few minutes reading it... |
| 02:49:33 | Neo|Work | to fupping bad! |
| 02:49:50 | Neo|Work | they called for docs, I have embedded hyperlinked ones. :P |
| 02:49:52 | FastolfeTelnetStud | fupping is right |
| 02:50:00 | warmi | I had a way to record my games ( mostly for saving in game progress) so I had little recorded game as a demo ;-) |
| 02:50:20 | warmi | but you are right, docs should be enough |
| 02:50:23 | Neo|Work | bah, who needs tutorial crap! ;-) |
| 02:50:35 | Neo|Work | besides, the original Lines concept is rather well known |
| 02:50:38 | Neo|Work | mandrake: nothing.... |
| 02:50:52 | mandrake | nothing? |
| 02:50:57 | Neo|Work | no word etc |
| 02:50:58 | mandrake | damn I was hoping... |
| 02:51:02 | Neo|Work | heh |
| 02:51:09 | mandrake | it's 10 pm. |
| 02:51:24 | Neo|Work | and if it's really trolltech @ Norway doing the announcements I think it'll happen tomorrow, US time |
| 02:51:29 | Neo|Work | possibly with the exception of pacific |
| 02:51:36 | Neo|Work | it's like 4 there now |
| 02:51:48 | Neo|Work | am for you non-24hr inclined ppl |
| 02:52:14 | Neo|Work | actually all beta votes are in |
| 02:52:15 | mandrake | Fastolfe: according to jason the judging is done. |
| 02:52:25 | Neo|Work | they just need to count them and publish the results |
| 02:52:31 | FastolfeTelnetStud | oic |
| 02:52:45 | Neo|Work | but then again, we saw in the last presidental election how that can go... :P |
| 02:52:53 | warmi | count them ,recount them .. possibly modify their web page etc .. |
| 02:53:19 | FastolfeTelnetStud | maybe they use a Qtopia program to count them, in xml and all, that's why it takes so long |
| 02:53:19 | Neo|Work | so I think, in the very least, the 4th is out of the question |
| 02:53:32 | ][N-Flux | burp |
| 02:53:36 | Neo|Work | mind you, Jason was the last to submit his votes so blame him. ;-)) heh |
| 02:53:38 | warmi | well, I still have 4 hours left |
| 02:53:42 | ][N-Flux | go to bed, wake up and it'll be like xmas |
| 02:53:57 | Neo|Work | 5 hrs here |
| 02:54:14 | ljp | maybe their vote tallying software crashed |
| 02:54:15 | Neo|Work | I dunno if can stay up late another night however. I'm pretty tired. |
| 02:54:17 | warmi | with 130 apps adn 50 Zs it is darn close to Xmass |
| 02:54:18 | warmi | :-) |
| 02:54:23 | Neo|Work | haven't had a _full_ night of sleep for a while |
| 02:54:47 | Neo|Work | maybe they feature that actually would do the tallying was considered bloat and cut out of the program? |
| 02:54:51 | ][N-Flux | only the apps are being judged or only 130 programs total? |
| 02:55:17 | JasonNJ | heya. |
| 02:55:18 | Neo|Work | ][N-Flux: total working |
| 02:55:20 | Neo|Work | hey |
| 02:55:24 | warmi | 200 apps ... 70 of these were thrown out because of some problems etc |
| 02:55:29 | ][N-Flux | geez |
| 02:55:29 | FastolfeTelnetStud | privmsg #zaurus :hi man |
| 02:55:34 | ][N-Flux | that's not many |
| 02:55:41 | JasonNJ | did trolltech make their announcement? |
| 02:55:45 | Neo|Work | nope |
| 02:55:55 | FastolfeTelnetStud | lol, everybody is waiting |
| 02:55:55 | Neo|Work | I assume they are sleeping now, seeing how it's 4am in Norway |
| 02:56:08 | JasonNJ | no but its 7pm in california |
| 02:56:11 | warmi | well, Qt is not MFC .... there are only so many people familiar with it |
| 02:56:12 | JasonNJ | thats where aron works |
| 02:56:20 | Neo|Work | Oh, didn't know they had ppl here |
| 02:56:24 | warmi | 200 apps is not too bad |
| 02:56:45 | FastolfeTelnetStud | weren't they hoping for 10000 ? |
| 02:56:48 | ljp | neo: marketting people in CA |
| 02:56:58 | Neo|Work | I didn't know about the contest till like a week before the adjusted deadline |
| 02:57:09 | Neo|Work | maybe I just didn't pay attention |
| 02:57:22 | Neo|Work | ljp: oh, ok. Sales too I would assume |
| 02:57:37 | JasonNJ | Neo: all things considering, I think you did pretty well |
| 02:57:39 | FastolfeTelnetStud | NeoWork: I bet you'll win one, your game looks good |
| 02:58:03 | Neo|Work | JasonNJ: thanks. I'm pretty happy with the result. I managed to put in a lot more than I originally planned for the beta |
| 02:58:18 | Neo|Work | like drawing of border, custom board size etc |
| 02:58:26 | ljp | neo: yep, their main development team is in Aslo, and qtopia is out of Austrialia |
| 02:58:31 | JasonNJ | this was a VERY hard contest to judge. |
| 02:58:39 | JasonNJ | it was not easy throwing out close to 80 entries |
| 02:58:48 | FastolfeTelnetStud | do apps with not a line of Qt in it qualify ? :-) |
| 02:58:51 | ljp | I would not want to be a judge.. |
| 02:58:51 | JasonNJ | I actually compiled quite a few of them and they were good. |
| 02:58:55 | Neo|Work | you should be happy there weren't those 1000nds of entries |
| 02:59:18 | Neo|Work | FastolfeTelnetStud: had to link with qpe/qte libs I believe |
| 02:59:26 | JasonNJ | whatever didnt compile cleanly we had to throw out |
| 02:59:28 | JasonNJ | that was the rules |
| 02:59:34 | FastolfeTelnetStud | yeah I know, just kidding |
| 02:59:49 | Neo|Work | ljp: australia? how odd. :) It's probably cheaper to have developers in Norway etc |
| 02:59:52 | FastolfeTelnetStud | I did have qtopia icons :) |
| 03:00:01 | warmi | Jason: i thought you guys were talking look at binaries if such were provided |
| 03:00:03 | Neo|Work | well, I know it is. lower salaries etc |
| 03:00:13 | JasonNJ | we did look at binaries too |
| 03:00:28 | mandrake | okay I'm outta here |
| 03:00:36 | Neo|Work | There were source-only submissions? Thought it had to have binaries at least? |
| 03:00:37 | JasonNJ | however there were quite a few binaries that didnt run either |
| 03:00:41 | mandrake | later |
| 03:00:45 | JasonNJ | there were source only also |
| 03:00:51 | Neo|Work | hmm |
| 03:01:03 | JasonNJ | some of them were Qt 3 |
| 03:01:21 | Neo|Work | hmm. people didn't use the SDK? |
| 03:01:23 | warmi | well, that's just people not reading rules carefully |
| 03:01:32 | FastolfeTelnetStud | PONG 12854783254 |
| 03:01:38 | ljp | quit that! |
| 03:01:49 | Neo|Work | warmi: indeed. It was pretty obvious what environment it had to run in. |
| 03:01:49 | FastolfeTelnetStud | sorry |
| 03:01:50 | JasonNJ | ran the whole gamut of weird stuff.. stuff that wouldnt execute, stuff that would not compile clean, stuff that was binary only for x86... stuff that was binary only for the Z, but didnt work on current roms.. etc etc |
| 03:02:33 | JasonNJ | some things sounded cool from the docs, but they were disqualified |
| 03:02:46 | warmi | hmm. .... I never had a chance to test anything but x86 .. my understanding was that it was all that was required for this phase ... basicaly be able to compile with x86 Qtopia |
| 03:02:57 | JasonNJ | I hope everyone, whether they were disqualifed or didnt make the final cut, still continues to develop. |
| 03:02:58 | ljp | will the authors know if they were disqualified? |
| 03:03:00 | Neo|Work | warmi: that is a correct statement |
| 03:03:22 | JasonNJ | ljp we will be sending out a mailing. |
| 03:03:23 | JasonNJ | also |
| 03:03:27 | Neo|Work | JasonNJ: I love this platform. :-P hope it gets enough leverage to be a viable commercial platform |
| 03:03:48 | JasonNJ | I am working with the marketing folk to provide an extra special deal on developer units for those that didnt make it but had a submission |
| 03:04:01 | warmi | nah ... even if got kicked out I will still work on Z... I invested too much time into this platform already :-) |
| 03:04:18 | Neo|Work | I'm having vague plans for a cooler RTS that I'm going to discuss with the Strategic Assault author |
| 03:04:26 | JasonNJ | and I am talking about us taking a MAJOR loss on like close to 100 units |
| 03:04:38 | Aelfweld | I'd get a second dev version for an extra special deal ;) |
| 03:04:56 | Neo|Work | JasonNJ: that's certainly a nice thing to do. In a way, it's just another marketing expense |
| 03:04:57 | JasonNJ | what do you think of $200? |
| 03:05:05 | Aelfweld | I'd do that |
| 03:05:06 | JasonNJ | would people go for that? |
| 03:05:07 | Fastolfe | JasonNJ: $0 would be better :) |
| 03:05:07 | warmi | extra special deal .. that sounds interesting ... we are (at least me) cheap guys so anything counts :-) |
| 03:05:12 | Neo|Work | just like console makers market they boxes by selling them below cost |
| 03:05:16 | Aelfweld | bring it to 18th st ny for me ;) |
| 03:05:20 | Neo|Work | JasonNJ: that's a great deal |
| 03:05:28 | JasonNJ | well I am trying to get that cleared. |
| 03:05:29 | Fastolfe | beowulf .. |
| 03:05:45 | Fastolfe | wall of zaurus for giant screen ... |
| 03:05:53 | Neo|Work | Fastolfe: hehe |
| 03:05:59 | ljp | what, instead of cuecat cd's? |
| 03:06:07 | warmi | hehehe |
| 03:06:10 | Neo|Work | that'd be a bizarre hack for someone to do. beowulf cluser of Z's |
| 03:06:22 | Neo|Work | hey, I have my cuecat right here!! |
| 03:06:22 | Fastolfe | ah no, I know, 2 zaurii glued together back to back, so you never have to flip it over :) |
| 03:06:27 | ljp | that sounds liek A Fastolfe |
| 03:06:56 | Fastolfe | I can see myself patching mosix in the embedix kernel :) |
| 03:07:11 | Fastolfe | might even make qtopia run fast :) |
| 03:07:15 | JasonNJ | btw fastolfe |
| 03:07:18 | Fastolfe | yeah |
| 03:07:25 | JasonNJ | you now have commercial competition for XFree86 |
| 03:07:30 | JasonNJ | Metro-X |
| 03:07:36 | Fastolfe | yeah, ain't that great ? |
| 03:07:42 | Fastolfe | I love xig products |
| 03:07:43 | JasonNJ | I sent them their deve unit this week |
| 03:07:53 | JasonNJ | so now we got a free X and a commercial X |
| 03:07:55 | JasonNJ | pretty cool |
| 03:08:03 | Neo|Work | you know, I tried Metro-X some time in the distant past and man was it bad then |
| 03:08:09 | Neo|Work | are they any better now? :P |
| 03:08:10 | JasonNJ | one for HaX0Rz and one for the enterprise folks |
| 03:08:20 | warmi | I run AcceleratedX on all my Linux boxes :-) the best X server out there |
| 03:08:26 | Neo|Work | warmi: it' |
| 03:08:28 | JasonNJ | AccelX rocks |
| 03:08:43 | Fastolfe | JasonNJ: I'm considering dropping X and withdrawing it from SF. There are Qtopia freaks who mail me insults every day |
| 03:08:47 | JasonNJ | plus they are doing their uPnP stuff for the Z |
| 03:09:01 | JasonNJ | Fast: dont do that please |
| 03:09:04 | Neo|Work | I ran that at some point but wouldn't now. I don't know if they support it, but last I check it couldn't handle fullscren (i.e fake, by mode switching), DGA or gaming 3D |
| 03:09:07 | JasonNJ | we need X |
| 03:09:09 | Neo|Work | I know they have 3D now, but.. |
| 03:09:19 | JasonNJ | not only that we are considering going the X route with the Z |
| 03:09:31 | JasonNJ | in our standardization efforts we are working on with Handhelds.org |
| 03:09:43 | warmi | Neo: it is not that, they have something I love ... velvet mouse , something that XFree needs ASAP |
| 03:09:43 | JasonNJ | Tim can tell you about that |
| 03:09:48 | Neo|Work | JasonNJ: I wonder how that'd turn out. I mean, it would add another layer, no? |
| 03:09:57 | Fastolfe | JasonNJ: I've done *work* to get it running. It's not perfect but I don't deserve to be insulted by ppl who sit on their asses and contribute jack shit, because they're trolltech bigots |
| 03:09:59 | Neo|Work | or would you skip qtopia all together and just run plain Qt apps? |
| 03:10:10 | Neo|Work | warmi: wassthat? |
| 03:10:24 | Aelfweld | I think the X on z idea is a great idea Fastolfe don't withdraw it. |
| 03:10:28 | JasonNJ | well basically it would be Qtopia running on plain Qt plus X, with a Qt embedded micro library to provide support for legacy |
| 03:10:34 | Neo|Work | Fastolfe: forget about people. they are morons |
| 03:10:36 | JasonNJ | but the developer would not need to know X |
| 03:10:41 | JasonNJ | just the Qt embedded API |
| 03:11:04 | Neo|Work | JasonNJ: if it doesn't add overhead and things like direct fb access still works, fine. :P |
| 03:11:19 | Neo|Work | but question is, how would direct fb work if there's an X there? DGA? |
| 03:11:22 | JasonNJ | however we are waiting to see what the Handhelds.org guys can produce, because supposedly that was the ORIGINAL plan and they are resurrecting code |
| 03:11:26 | Aelfweld | that sounds cool JasonNJ. sad as it is the app I was thinking of trying was x3270 on Z |
| 03:11:29 | Fastolfe | Aelfweld: I dunno man, I regularly get insults from idiots about any project I do, but for some reason I get 10 times more about X on the Z. I don't want to take insults |
| 03:11:31 | warmi | Neo: hard to explain ,, you have to feel it . Basically cursor runs on interrupts or something like that , it never freezes even if there is some have processing going on |
| 03:11:52 | warmi | heavy processing < |
| 03:11:58 | icefox2 | JasonNJ: What the the major reason that apps were disqualified? |
| 03:12:11 | JasonNJ | icefox: did not execute or did not compile clean |
| 03:12:28 | Fastolfe | JasonNJ: did Tim submit something ? :-) |
| 03:12:35 | icefox2 | JasonNJ: Did people submit normal every day kde apps kidna deal hopeing that they would get in beta to port it or something? |
| 03:12:37 | JasonNJ | and beleive me we gave people a LOT of leeway |
| 03:12:50 | JasonNJ | we compiled with both SDK 1 and SDK 2 |
| 03:13:02 | warmi | Jason: sorry, if you already answered that ... but should be expect emails and results tonight ( US time) ? |
| 03:13:03 | Neo|Work | I actually even got my code to compile using the cross compiler before the beta deadline |
| 03:13:07 | JasonNJ | and tested with multiple versions of the QPE libraries warwick gave us |
| 03:13:07 | Aelfweld | well perhaps the X stuff can find a hidden home Fastolfe |
| 03:13:18 | Neo|Work | that was kind of painful in the beginning since I was using STL |
| 03:13:20 | JasonNJ | warmi: dunno yet, the votes are in Troll's hands |
| 03:13:28 | Fastolfe | Aelfweld: heh yeah, or I'll just stick in on our sever and hide my name |
| 03:13:31 | warmi | thanks |
| 03:13:41 | Fastolfe | Aelfweld: since I think SF is going to tank it |
| 03:13:56 | JasonNJ | you think SF is gonna tank? |
| 03:13:59 | Neo|Work | Fastolfe: that'd have some major ripple effects |
| 03:14:12 | Fastolfe | JasonNJ: I think OSDN is about to get cooked for good |
| 03:14:14 | Neo|Work | JasonNJ: well, how do they make money? I mean, not just SF, but VA Linux in general |
| 03:14:22 | JasonNJ | Fast: you have it on good authority? |
| 03:14:52 | Neo|Work | it never was a great business model due to the immense bandwidth and hardware requirements. Now, of course, they have half the worlds open source there now.. :P |
| 03:14:54 | Fastolfe | JasonNJ: no, just signs : /. going for $$$, SF down all the time, OPN (here, IRC) begging for help with bandwidth |
| 03:14:56 | JasonNJ | I mean, other than the usual rumors |
| 03:15:07 | Fastolfe | JasonNJ: I think they're toast |
| 03:15:12 | JasonNJ | hmm, |
| 03:15:22 | JasonNJ | cause I spoke to Larry Augustin today actually. |
| 03:15:32 | Neo|Work | well, advice #1: backup your CVS repositories |
| 03:15:39 | Fastolfe | JasonNJ: he's not going to tell you anything :) |
| 03:15:57 | JasonNJ | no, I suppose not. none of my friends tell me anything important regarding reality. |
| 03:16:20 | warmi | heh |
| 03:16:24 | Fastolfe | JasonNJ: I've worked for a company that had a graet rah rah pep talk on Monday, with buffet food and all, and tanked the next day |
| 03:16:31 | JasonNJ | man that Jeremiah show was cool |
| 03:16:39 | Aelfweld | was it? |
| 03:16:49 | JasonNJ | yeah it was definitel a good start |
| 03:16:52 | Neo|Work | Fastolfe: last minute party? :P |
| 03:16:54 | Aelfweld | I saw the comercial looked pretty good |
| 03:17:10 | JasonNJ | defintely a show that ended and you wanted to see more |
| 03:17:11 | Neo|Work | so, should I talk to the running with scissors guys about porting Postal to the Z? :P |
| 03:17:23 | JasonNJ | oh that would be sick |
| 03:17:27 | Neo|Work | hehe |
| 03:17:32 | Fastolfe | NeoTron: no no, the entire management team, including the CEO, was genuinely convinced everything was peachy, and the CFO just announced the next day that "oh my god, we have no $$$ !" |
| 03:17:33 | JasonNJ | heh port all teh loki titles to the Z |
| 03:17:38 | JasonNJ | talk to BigBoss |
| 03:17:40 | Bala | lol |
| 03:17:47 | JasonNJ | he's likely to take posession of all their IP |
| 03:18:00 | Neo|Work | JasonNJ: hah. Most of them would definitely not be portable. I'd say postal would be the only exception |
| 03:18:14 | JasonNJ | Ultimate Solitaire maybe |
| 03:18:19 | Fastolfe | lol |
| 03:18:19 | Neo|Work | perhaps |
| 03:18:33 | Fastolfe | time to get the microdrive cracking :) |
| 03:18:34 | JasonNJ | diablo for Z! |
| 03:18:38 | Neo|Work | heh |
| 03:18:39 | peanut | hey jason.. long time no see |
| 03:18:44 | JasonNJ | hi peanut |
| 03:18:49 | Neo|Work | HALF-LIFE!! :-) |
| 03:18:58 | JasonNJ | Carmageddon |
| 03:19:51 | Aelfweld | diablo is fun o) |
| 03:19:58 | Fastolfe | JasonNJ: where is TT supposed to announce the results anyway ? |
| 03:20:03 | warmi | Jason: sort of off-topic question: are you that J.Perlow who used to be part of Team OS/2 ? |
| 03:20:05 | peanut | is it too late to submit my web page that lists rom versions in xml/html format |
| 03:20:07 | Neo|Work | oh my. There will be a Postal 2! |
| 03:20:14 | peanut | i wonder who i should submit the dtd to.. |
| 03:20:23 | JasonNJ | warmi: I plead 5th |
| 03:20:27 | Neo|Work | 3D using the Unreal engine |
| 03:20:28 | warmi | lol |
| 03:20:37 | JasonNJ | yes |
| 03:21:01 | JasonNJ | I havent heard that name in a long time. a long long time, young skywalker |
| 03:21:03 | Neo|Work | if you have contacts with people that have some game that would run on the Z, I'm all ears. :P |
| 03:21:06 | peanut | whats happening with oz? |
| 03:21:17 | icefox2 | hmm with 200Mhz the best things to do would be to make some excellent maps/custom game using the Quake engine |
| 03:22:22 | JasonNJ | Microsoft killed and murdered OS/2.. peanut.. you must resist the dark side |
| 03:22:46 | Fastolfe | JasonNJ: they maimed it first, then renamed it NT |
| 03:22:54 | warmi | Jason: I am not that young ... never used OS/2 though |
| 03:22:57 | warmi | :-) |
| 03:23:11 | JasonNJ | warmi: so how did you know about Team OS/2 then |
| 03:23:17 | Aelfweld | os/2 still lives controlling mainframes ;) |
| 03:23:23 | peanut | ok.. here's a question |
| 03:23:29 | peanut | wtf is up with sharpmobile.com |
| 03:23:29 | JasonNJ | and ATM machines |
| 03:23:45 | JasonNJ | peanut: its gonna be rolled out in April |
| 03:23:54 | peanut | yeah.. have you looked at the site? |
| 03:23:58 | JasonNJ | I got me a sharp mobile modem I've been testing for a few days |
| 03:24:01 | warmi | I know what it was and was sort of following it .. just never had a chance to run OS/2 .. I was working with Amiga in 1989/92 |
| 03:24:03 | JasonNJ | shweet |
| 03:24:51 | JasonNJ | heh thats for a gartner symposium we are holding |
| 03:24:54 | warmi | I was living in Europe at that time and Amiga was the machine to own over there |
| 03:25:04 | JasonNJ | the real sharpmobile site has not launched yet |
| 03:25:10 | JasonNJ | I've seen teh designs though |
| 03:25:11 | Neo|Work | Amiga roxors |
| 03:25:28 | Neo|Work | or did rock I should say |
| 03:25:29 | peanut | decides to submit a question to track A |
| 03:25:36 | warmi | you should know Neo: you are from Sweden, it was quit popular there as well |
| 03:25:44 | Neo|Work | yeps |
| 03:25:45 | Dafydd | Anyone heard any news on the beta contest? Results were supposed to be posted today (4th). |
| 03:25:55 | Neo|Work | we were the 150th owner in Sweden or so. Amiga 1000 |
| 03:26:07 | Neo|Work | Dafydd: in Trolltech's bag now |
| 03:26:23 | warmi | I hade 500 then 600 and I was latecomer ... got stuck with ZX Spectrum for a long time |
| 03:26:25 | peanut | whats up with handango, they listing sharp apps yet? |
| 03:26:28 | JasonNJ | hmm new zaurus site |
| 03:26:30 | JasonNJ | Zaurusdev |
| 03:26:35 | JasonNJ | geez |
| 03:26:47 | Fastolfe | another one ?? |
| 03:26:48 | JasonNJ | more the merrier I guess, as eventually ZaurusZone is going bye bye |
| 03:26:54 | Neo|Work | peanut: I doubt it. probably awaiting the launch |
| 03:27:09 | peanut | zauruszone is going byebye? |
| 03:27:17 | Neo|Work | JasonNJ: no offense and all, but I absolutely think webboards are horrid for communication. :P |
| 03:27:38 | Fastolfe | ikonboard is horrid, not all webboards |
| 03:27:43 | JasonNJ | neo: I have some surprises in store. |
| 03:27:49 | JasonNJ | ZaurusZone is not the be all or end all. |
| 03:28:14 | JasonNJ | peanut: ZaurusZone will eventually be assimilated by something else |
| 03:28:16 | Neo|Work | JasonNJ: I prefer news or mail myself. :) or LysKOM but no one would know what that is or how to use it |
| 03:28:49 | JasonNJ | peanut: a more advanced sharp developer site |
| 03:28:57 | JasonNJ | something similar to sourceforge, but dedicated to the Z |
| 03:29:40 | Neo|Work | I love that idea. :) |
| 03:29:43 | JasonNJ | a happy place, with free CVS and private boards and mailing lists for all. |
| 03:29:51 | Neo|Work | that said, SF has sucky board systems too. :P |
| 03:30:05 | Neo|Work | I mean, there are webboards and then there are bad ones. :-) |
| 03:30:09 | JasonNJ | neo: with better boards than SF |
| 03:30:20 | Neo|Work | in general though, the number one issue is that messages must be marked as read |
| 03:30:27 | peanut | lots of places taking orders for the 55 now.. |
| 03:30:34 | Neo|Work | if they are not it's absolutely impossible to follow large discussions |
| 03:31:05 | Fastolfe | NeoTron: I use a red marker on my screen myself |
| 03:31:13 | Neo|Work | *rotfl* |
| 03:31:27 | Neo|Work | anyhow, going home. See if there's news then. hehe |
| 03:31:31 | Neo|Work | is hungry. |
| 03:31:43 | peanut | anyone using ppp over irda |
| 03:31:52 | Neo|Work | gone home |
| 03:34:01 | ljp | fastolfe: would that be a permanent marker? |
| 03:35:17 | Fastolfe | heh |
| 03:39:40 | warmi | JasonJ: did you see lot of commercial apps in the contest ? |
| 03:40:02 | Aelfweld | kergoth`: if your there the instructions on opie look quite clear. thanks for the pointer |
| 03:41:36 | tux_mike | blargh |
| 03:56:09 | Aelfweld | anyone built opie for zaurus? |
| 03:56:29 | tux_mike | not yet |
| 03:56:35 | tux_mike | kergoth prolly has |
| 03:56:47 | tux_mike | i've used opie on qvfb only |
| 03:56:59 | Aelfweld | I am wondering what the options I should use are the page only has ipaq |
| 03:57:06 | Aelfweld | qvfb? |
| 03:57:20 | tux_mike | qt virtual framebuffer |
| 03:57:33 | tux_mike | programming tool for the desktop |
| 03:57:34 | Aelfweld | ah thats for using on a normal linux desktop? |
| 03:57:43 | Aelfweld | yeah how do I do that? |
| 03:58:04 | tux_mike | it's in qt, or in the sdk |
| 03:58:25 | Aelfweld | just not put in the xplatform and no-qvfb ? |
| 03:59:15 | tux_mike | well, this way you can see the what it's gonna look like in qtopia |
| 03:59:38 | Aelfweld | yeah as I am a newbie with qt working on the desktop is wise for now |
| 04:01:10 | tux_mike | actually, i'm a newb with qt/qpe :) and i'm programming for opie |
| 04:06:41 | tux_mike | Fastolfe: with what you were saying on VA dying... |
| 04:09:29 | tux_mike | http://www.tuxnami.org/~mike/slashdot.png |
| 04:09:34 | tux_mike | notice the ad |
| 04:10:07 | Aelfweld | lol |
| 04:10:41 | Fastolfe | tux_mike: sorry back |
| 04:10:44 | Fastolfe | tux_mike: whatzat |
| 04:10:45 | Fastolfe | ? |
| 04:10:54 | tux_mike | look at the ad |
| 04:10:56 | Fastolfe | k |
| 04:11:18 | Aelfweld | all the info that won't fit in a nutshell.. not a bad swipe goot marketroids there |
| 04:11:30 | NeoTron | is back (gone 11:07:03) |
| 04:11:35 | Fastolfe | lol |
| 04:11:59 | Fastolfe | /. tinfoil ppl will go nuts :) |
| 04:12:28 | Fastolfe | I never see the ads myself. Junkbuster ya know |
| 04:13:34 | Aelfweld | junkyard wars is so amusing |
| 04:13:35 | ljp | ya heh- there's ads on the internet? :) |
| 04:13:40 | tux_mike | i dont give a damn about them |
| 04:14:07 | Fastolfe | tux_mike: yeah, but the question is : do you actually look at them at all ? |
| 04:14:36 | Fastolfe | tux_mike: because if you don't, then maybe the ad-over-internet biz model might be an idiocy :) |
| 04:15:28 | altered | any word on contest results? |
| 04:15:33 | Fastolfe | lol |
| 04:15:36 | tux_mike | you mean the ad-over-intenet biz is loosing money?! |
| 04:15:41 | Fastolfe | altered: everybody is wondering |
| 04:16:03 | altered | Fastolfe: hmm... one more deadline that Trolltech won't make? |
| 04:16:05 | Fastolfe | tux_mike: amazing is it not ? I really had high hopes for doubleclick :) |
| 04:16:15 | tux_mike | i own stock! |
| 04:16:18 | Fastolfe | altered: beats the hell outta me |
| 04:16:30 | Fastolfe | tux_mike: sorry for you man |
| 04:16:36 | altered | beats the hell outta Fastolfe. |
| 04:16:40 | Fastolfe | lol |
| 04:16:42 | Fastolfe | ouch :) |
| 04:16:46 | NeoTron | I own webvan stock. :P |
| 04:16:50 | NeoTron | (bought homegrocer stock) |
| 04:16:51 | NeoTron | heh |
| 04:16:52 | altered | oops... maybe I misread that. |
| 04:16:56 | Fastolfe | NeoTron: oh yeah that's a winner |
| 04:17:05 | tux_mike | hey, i was a happy webvan customer... untill they died |
| 04:17:18 | NeoTron | I loved homegrocer |
| 04:17:21 | JasonNJ | its really my fault that trolltech is late on this |
| 04:17:23 | altered | tux_mike: we order online through Albertsons. |
| 04:17:23 | warmi | tux_mike: in Chicago ??? |
| 04:17:29 | tux_mike | yah |
| 04:17:31 | Fastolfe | tux_mike: you know what ? I was a really happy DigitalConvergence (CueCat) customer too until they tanked :) |
| 04:17:35 | JasonNJ | because the other two judges were done with their selections last week |
| 04:17:40 | JasonNJ | EARLY last week |
| 04:17:47 | Aelfweld | to build opie for the desktop what should i set the tmakepath too? |
| 04:17:49 | NeoTron | when webvan too over the website never worked and quality of food (especially greens) became worse |
| 04:17:56 | ljp | I sold all my Enron stock just in time, and put it all in KMart! |
| 04:18:00 | altered | beats the hell out of JasonNJ... |
| 04:18:06 | JasonNJ | hey. |
| 04:18:07 | altered | (just to make things fair). |
| 04:18:10 | JasonNJ | I have a real job. :) |
| 04:18:11 | Fastolfe | JasonNJ: well then, shame shame everybody knows your name ! |
| 04:18:22 | altered | hey... I have a real job... |
| 04:18:23 | warmi | tux: you can still use PeaPod or something like ... I have seen their vans around Chicago |
| 04:18:35 | Fastolfe | wtf? |
| 04:18:51 | tux_mike | yah, i could, but i live at my parents now, i went back home for some college edjumacation :) |
| 04:18:54 | ljp | Aelfweld: yes set TMAKEPATH |
| 04:19:20 | Aelfweld | to what? |
| 04:19:47 | Aelfweld | it says read INSTALL which isn't here that I see |
| 04:19:50 | ljp | oh.. heh.. umm. |
| 04:20:01 | Fastolfe | .coms are so turn of the century. The future of investment is .orgs these days |
| 04:20:12 | tux_mike | yah |
| 04:20:40 | warmi | TMAKEPATH=/opt/Qtopia/tmake/lib/linux-g++ |
| 04:20:46 | JasonNJ | nah man .mil |
| 04:21:05 | warmi | depending where you installed package |
| 04:21:15 | Fastolfe | gee, poor egroups, look what yahoo did to it : |
| 04:21:17 | Fastolfe | http://down.grp.snv.yahoo.com/ |
| 04:21:25 | Fastolfe | it's going from bad to worse |
| 04:21:40 | Aelfweld | of course this is opie |
| 04:21:56 | tux_mike | time to spruce up the old letter |
| 04:21:56 | warmi | ups ... sorry then :-) |
| 04:21:56 | JasonNJ | someone needs to post an X86 build of opie |
| 04:22:03 | JasonNJ | in binary form |
| 04:22:05 | Fastolfe | JasonNJ: what for ? |
| 04:22:13 | JasonNJ | for developers |
| 04:22:13 | Aelfweld | same for qtopis |
| 04:22:18 | JasonNJ | so they have stuff to play with |
| 04:22:24 | NeoTron | agreed |
| 04:22:26 | Fastolfe | oh on desktop PC you mean ? |
| 04:22:35 | JasonNJ | yes |
| 04:22:38 | Fastolfe | k |
| 04:22:42 | Fastolfe | yeah that'd be nice |
| 04:23:04 | Fastolfe | didn't TT have an emulator of sorts ? |
| 04:23:07 | Fastolfe | for the contest ? |
| 04:23:52 | Aelfweld | yeah but they don't have binaries for the rest of us |
| 04:23:56 | JasonNJ | it wasnt a full qtopia build |
| 04:24:04 | Aelfweld | and no goo documentation on building whats out now |
| 04:24:06 | ljp | uhh but couldn't developers compiler their own opie and qpe, err qtopia for desktop? |
| 04:24:07 | JasonNJ | was very stripped down |
| 04:24:22 | Fastolfe | k |
| 04:24:25 | nelson | JasonNJ: Is rom version 1.11 newer than rom version 2.00? |
| 04:24:31 | JasonNJ | ye |
| 04:24:32 | NeoTron | ljp: you could but it's no fun. :) |
| 04:24:38 | JasonNJ | yes russel |
| 04:24:42 | nelson | JasonNJ: tnx |
| 04:24:50 | JasonNJ | but you should probably do 1.10 |
| 04:24:52 | JasonNJ | not 1.11 |
| 04:25:04 | JasonNJ | only difference is heap to fileystem ratio |
| 04:25:09 | NeoTron | anyone right here right now that have some time to do some timing tests for me? |
| 04:25:12 | JasonNJ | go to www.zauruszone.com and read the news area |
| 04:25:14 | tux_mike | i like my 1.11 :P |
| 04:25:53 | ljp | ya, I like 1.11 also.. its got a bigger number |
| 04:26:18 | Aelfweld | tux_mike: do you know what I should set $TMAKEPATH to be for building opie? |
| 04:26:26 | JasonNJ | FastolfeTelnetStud is now known as Dumb Frog |
| 04:26:30 | JasonNJ | lol |
| 04:26:33 | ljp | Aelfweld. where did you install tmake? |
| 04:27:08 | Fastolfe | dumbfrog ? :) |
| 04:27:22 | Fastolfe | I resent that |
| 04:27:25 | Aelfweld | the instructions say nothing about downloadfing tmake o( |
| 04:27:36 | JasonNJ | "But of course I am French! Where do you think I go this OUTRAGEOUS accent?" |
| 04:28:03 | Dumb | dammit |
| 04:28:10 | NeoTron | bah |
| 04:28:36 | Dumb | I'm having trouble reading this brb |
| 04:29:17 | JasonNJ | alrighty dudes. |
| 04:29:23 | JasonNJ | time for me to go to sleep. |
| 04:29:28 | NeoTron | cya l8er |
| 04:29:36 | JasonNJ | I am sure I will see my death threats soon enough |
| 04:29:38 | Fastolfe | hmm better |
| 04:29:44 | warmi | hehe |
| 04:29:46 | NeoTron | anyone who can test Eligo with some timing debug for me? |
| 04:29:53 | JasonNJ | cause you ALL LOST!!!! MUHAAHAHHAHAAHA!!!! |
| 04:29:55 | warmi | that come with the deal |
| 04:30:05 | warmi | lol |
| 04:30:12 | JasonNJ | nites |
| 04:30:21 | tux_mike | well, time to upload my latest version of my letter :) |
| 04:30:26 | Fastolfe | seeya |
| 04:30:27 | warmi | Neo: soon enough you will have your own Z box |
| 04:30:47 | NeoTron | but I want to test this now!!! ;-) |
| 04:30:48 | warmi | bye Jason |
| 04:31:22 | NeoTron | wow. it's looks weird when the balls don't bounce when they land. :P |
| 04:32:25 | nec3364 | has anyone tried to install the open ssh (3.0.2p1) stuff from sourceforge? |
| 04:32:45 | Fastolfe | I think I tried once |
| 04:32:53 | nec3364 | the recent stuff? |
| 04:32:59 | nec3364 | 25Feb |
| 04:33:14 | fusion94 | kicks Fastolfe |
| 04:33:35 | Fastolfe | whoa ?? what was that for ? |
| 04:33:54 | fusion94 | GP ?? |
| 04:34:07 | Fastolfe | is delicate |
| 04:34:18 | nec3364 | yea right ... not |
| 04:34:36 | Fastolfe | I'm a human being dammit |
| 04:34:40 | tux_mike | ok, the latest copy of my letter is up. it should be free of major gramatical errors. |
| 04:34:57 | Fastolfe | tux: letter ? |
| 04:35:00 | nec3364 | your french ... that doesn't make u human ... ;) |
| 04:35:04 | tux_mike | against SSSCA |
| 04:35:13 | Fastolfe | oh goody ! |
| 04:35:22 | Fastolfe | nec: I'm not french |
| 04:35:29 | tux_mike | the US government pisses me off |
| 04:35:43 | fusion94 | tux_mike: heh |
| 04:35:44 | nec3364 | I've heard you were |
| 04:35:50 | tux_mike | ties with big media. |
| 04:35:56 | tux_mike | i hate big media. |
| 04:35:58 | nec3364 | <---is em1ssnuke on different machine |
| 04:36:15 | Fastolfe | I'm *from France*, it's different. Being french is an attitude problem ... |
| 04:36:22 | fusion94 | Fastolfe: greed |
| 04:36:25 | nec3364 | ahhhh |
| 04:36:28 | fusion94 | agreed even |
| 04:36:43 | Fastolfe | crap |
| 04:36:52 | fusion94 | Fastolfe: there you go again |
| 04:37:04 | Fastolfe | cuz you think it's easy ? |
| 04:37:28 | Fastolfe | I'm emulating an irc client by hand here dammit, it's a toughie ! |
| 04:37:35 | fusion94 | heh |
| 04:37:50 | fusion94 | Fastolfe: whose the ceo of lineo ? |
| 04:38:06 | Fastolfe | privmsg #zaurus :Matt Harris |
| 04:38:18 | Fastolfe | Y ? |
| 04:38:34 | fusion94 | heh |
| 04:38:46 | Fastolfe | what ? |
| 04:39:00 | Fastolfe | ooh sorry |
| 04:39:47 | nec3364 | well ... talk at ya tomorrow |
| 04:39:59 | Fastolfe | seeya !:) |
| 04:40:52 | Fastolfe | |
| 04:49:46 | tux_mike | blah |
| 04:57:53 | mandrake | and still nothing. |
| 04:57:58 | NeoTron | TV ... |
| 05:01:09 | mandrake | hehe |
| 05:01:18 | mandrake | okay I am gonna go to bed maybe I'll find out in the morning |
| 05:07:33 | scribe | anyone try one of those sd bluetooth cards? |
| 05:08:46 | MEGASTeP | is away: I'm away, dammit |
| 05:13:07 | scribe | does the Z have IrDA? |
| 05:13:24 | scribe | or bluetooth, builtin? |
| 05:13:30 | ][N-Flux | has ir |
| 05:13:40 | ][N-Flux | and I've have a cf bluetooth |
| 05:14:03 | scribe | ][N-Flux: you get the bluetooth stuff to work yet? |
| 05:14:13 | scribe | ][N-Flux: just ordered a bt phone |
| 05:15:06 | scribe | ][N-Flux: I have a udrive so my cf slot is kinda taken, but wonder if the new sd mem bluetooth cards will work? |
| 05:18:05 | ][N-Flux | linksys |
| 05:18:15 | ][N-Flux | works almost right away with the 1.11 rom |
| 05:18:27 | ][N-Flux | was scketchy with the OZ rom |
| 05:23:27 | scribe | ][N-Flux: thanks, looking for one cheap, now... |
| 05:24:15 | scribe | ][N-Flux: sorry so many questions, but what bt devices where you successful negotiating a connection with? |
| 05:40:13 | scribe | Anyone help with unicode on the Z? |
| 05:58:26 | ][N-Flux | scribe: I have the wap for the linksys card |
| 05:58:30 | ][N-Flux | but bedtime :) |
| 05:58:36 | ][N-Flux | is away: bed..... |
| 06:11:40 | NeoTron | any1 around? |
| 06:12:29 | fusion94 | just me and not for long |
| 06:12:40 | NeoTron | you have a qtopia device? :P |
| 06:12:54 | fusion94 | nope |
| 06:13:05 | ljp | I have a zaurus |
| 06:13:12 | fusion94 | i just hang out here to bith about lineo |
| 06:13:20 | ljp | heh |
| 06:13:32 | fusion94 | s/bith/bitch even |
| 06:13:43 | fusion94 | is away: dinner then a return |
| 06:18:18 | NeoTron | ljp: have time to run a quick test? |
| 06:19:33 | NeoTron | I just removed all traces of fp calculations from animations |
| 06:19:59 | NeoTron | wanna see if it helps at all |
| 06:20:26 | ljp | sure |
| 06:20:32 | NeoTron | ok, lemme make a pkg |
| 06:20:52 | NeoTron | if this does the trick, I'll be somewhat surprised |
| 06:21:07 | NeoTron | because it's not a heck of a lot of calculation |
| 06:21:34 | NeoTron | http://david.hedbor.org/tmp/eligo_1.0b6_arm.ipk |
| 06:23:33 | ljp | do you know anybody good with creating icons? |
| 06:23:57 | NeoTron | Well, the guy who does Eligo gfx is pretty good. don't know about icons... |
| 06:24:32 | ljp | I need a nice icon for opie's mediaplayer playlists |
| 06:26:08 | ljp | ok.. what am I looking for here? |
| 06:26:30 | NeoTron | go to menu -> game type and select Ogile |
| 06:26:39 | NeoTron | then play, wait, play again |
| 06:26:45 | NeoTron | and chekc the speed. :P |
| 06:26:51 | NeoTron | preferable redirecting stdout to a file or so |
| 06:26:55 | NeoTron | (it contains timing info) |
| 06:28:50 | ljp | well. it was faster when I did start it from the konsole :) |
| 06:29:01 | NeoTron | O |
| 06:29:07 | NeoTron | I'm interested in the timing output. :P |
| 06:29:10 | ljp | errr, didn't |
| 06:29:29 | NeoTron | might be because of all the printfs |
| 06:29:51 | NeoTron | did you to ./eligo > log.txt or what not? |
| 06:31:08 | ljp | ya |
| 06:31:40 | NeoTron | can you send me the file? david@eongames.com |
| 06:33:44 | ljp | k sent |
| 06:34:25 | NeoTron | WOW!!!!!!! |
| 06:34:34 | NeoTron | KICK ASS!!! |
| 06:34:39 | NeoTron | thank you so very much |
| 06:34:41 | NeoTron | IT'S FAST |
| 06:34:42 | tux_mike | hrm |
| 06:34:43 | NeoTron | :-) |
| 06:35:00 | NeoTron | maxed out at just under 40 ms |
| 06:35:01 | ][N-Flux | yawn |
| 06:35:11 | NeoTron | that is 25 fps people |
| 06:35:15 | ljp | ya.. it looks out.. sometimes there is a small glitch in the movement |
| 06:35:25 | ljp | looks ok |
| 06:35:27 | NeoTron | so basically, it was the FPU stuff |
| 06:35:33 | NeoTron | I'd be damned |
| 06:35:37 | NeoTron | it wasn't even that comples. |
| 06:35:41 | NeoTron | complex even |
| 06:35:51 | ][N-Flux | good work |
| 06:35:54 | NeoTron | is happy now. |
| 06:36:02 | ][N-Flux | I'm gonna go get my hour of sleep now |
| 06:36:07 | NeoTron | guess I should make a general fixed point class |
| 06:36:19 | NeoTron | to use any time I need floats |
| 06:36:34 | NeoTron | or want to do calculations that normally would use floats I should say |
| 06:40:57 | NeoTron | so what is faster << and >> or *? |
| 06:41:06 | NeoTron | generally, isn't << and >> faster? |
| 06:41:10 | NeoTron | (that's what I use now) |
| 07:15:38 | NeoTron | Lz8B: hello |
| 08:08:08 | kendrick2 | damn! where's fastolfe been? |
| 08:13:22 | kendrick2 | Hello! hello! ello! lo! lo! lo! |
| 08:15:49 | kendrick2 | hello |
| 08:29:25 | trebb | g'morning gentlemen... |
| 08:29:59 | kendrick2 | 'start your engines' ;) |
| 08:30:00 | trebb | has anybody got some news about the contest? |
| 08:30:08 | kendrick2 | i won first place! |
| 08:30:13 | kendrick2 | (kidding ;) ) |
| 08:30:29 | trebb | but thats what I wanted to win! |
| 08:30:57 | xxL | relax, gentlemen, there is no first place |
| 08:31:11 | kendrick2 | hehe |
| 08:31:21 | trebb | I want it anyway... :) |
| 08:31:35 | xxL | you'll have to bribe me then... |
| 08:32:03 | trebb | I don't think I have anything you could want... |
| 08:32:31 | xxL | how would you know what I want ? :) |
| 08:33:17 | trebb | I know what I have..., believe me you don't want it! :) |
| 08:33:27 | NeoTron | hey you |
| 08:33:28 | xxL | lol |
| 08:33:39 | xxL | me ? |
| 08:33:42 | kendrick2 | needs fastolfe! |
| 08:33:43 | oob | can anyone give me a download link to qt paltop center for linux ? |
| 08:34:05 | NeoTron | xxL: hey, I fixed Eligo performance (at least in one test case on a real device) |
| 08:34:12 | xxL | oob: ftp://ftp.trolltech.com ? |
| 08:34:18 | NeoTron | guess what the problem was? floating point calculations... |
| 08:34:26 | kendrick2 | new eligo and sa up for downloadz? :) |
| 08:34:28 | NeoTron | changed => fixed point and zooom |
| 08:34:39 | xxL | Neo: glad to hear that |
| 08:34:49 | oob | xxl - been all over it and can't find it anywhere |
| 08:34:54 | NeoTron | sugar what is 160.0 / 38.5 |
| 08:34:56 | Sugar | It's 4.155844. |
| 08:35:02 | NeoTron | about 4 times faster |
| 08:35:07 | kendrick2 | hahah |
| 08:35:24 | xxL | you should avoid using fp as much as possible on the Z. the lack of fpu kills any fp-based game |
| 08:35:26 | NeoTron | it's now well below my 50 ms / frame goal |
| 08:35:51 | NeoTron | xxL: indeed. I made a fixed point class (named, surprisingly enough, fixed) :) |
| 08:36:17 | xxL | Neo: you can get rid of fixed point, too, in your particular case. IMO |
| 08:36:18 | NeoTron | it more or less does what I want transparently |
| 08:36:47 | NeoTron | well, it's fast enough. no reason to bother. I can make tables, (frame->image) for scaled stuff for example |
| 08:36:54 | NeoTron | or at least frame -> values lookup |
| 08:37:23 | NeoTron | and I might do that but I feel less inclined when I easily beat 20 fps in the absolute worse case scenario |
| 08:37:33 | xxL | k |
| 08:37:41 | NeoTron | however, book is not closed. :P |
| 08:37:53 | NeoTron | but my eyes soon will be. sleepy time |
| 08:38:02 | xxL | ;) |
| 08:38:09 | xxL | any news from TT ? |
| 08:38:20 | xxL | this waiting is killing me :( |
| 08:38:33 | NeoTron | nope, no news |
| 08:38:41 | xxL | grmbl |
| 08:38:50 | MSpin | I feel sorry for them:) |
| 08:38:51 | NeoTron | so I'll just go to bed and wake up to the results. :P |
| 08:39:18 | xxL | Neo: that's what I thought, too, 6 hours ago :) |
| 08:40:22 | NeoTron | ah, it's like almost 10 am in Norway... :P |
| 08:40:25 | NeoTron | gesh, they are slow. heh |
| 08:40:37 | xxL | 11:43 |
| 08:41:00 | xxL | err, 10:43 |
| 08:41:12 | NeoTron | you in eastern europe or so? |
| 08:41:14 | xxL | err, again, 9:43 :) |
| 08:41:19 | NeoTron | met. :P |
| 08:41:35 | xxL | those timezones... g'ah! |
| 08:41:39 | xxL | Neo: yes |
| 08:42:09 | NeoTron | ahh. Romania |
| 08:42:18 | xxL | I'm not even half through my morning coffee yet :) |
| 08:42:31 | xxL | Neo: yes |
| 08:42:42 | NeoTron | I need to go to bed so that I can get up at a decent after getting some sleep. :P |
| 08:42:53 | kendrick2 | cya neo :) |
| 08:43:00 | NeoTron | bbl |
| 08:43:03 | NeoTron | is away: sleeping |
| 08:43:23 | xxL | so, kendrick2, what's up man ? |
| 08:43:54 | kendrick2 | installing new eligo, sa, sa-ff add-on, and tckmahjongg ;) |
| 08:44:16 | xxL | heh, looks like you got plenty of time... |
| 08:44:20 | kendrick2 | :) |
| 08:44:27 | kendrick2 | i still want sdl for z, damnit :) |
| 08:44:41 | xxL | nobody cared to port it yet ? |
| 08:44:51 | kendrick2 | and i need to get the x cross-dev env finished (where's fastolfe!) so i can get agendaroids, brickout, etc., ported |
| 08:45:13 | kendrick2 | xxl - overcode's been working on it, and it seems neotron got sdl_mixer (and enuf of sdl for it to work) ported :) |
| 08:45:55 | kendrick2 | wow... a tiny pkg like "thekompany' shouldn't take this long to install |
| 08:45:59 | kendrick2 | what's up with sd card write speed :^( |
| 08:46:02 | xxL | question: why sdl ? last time I checked there were at least 3 excellent game toolkits out there |
| 08:46:11 | kendrick2 | xxl - sdl is the best :) |
| 08:46:18 | kendrick2 | that, and all of my current games are ported to it ;) |
| 08:46:24 | xxL | sdl, allegro and clanlib |
| 08:46:36 | xxL | oh, is it ? :) |
| 08:46:39 | kendrick2 | i've never used the latter two... not sure either even existed when i picked up sdl :) |
| 08:46:52 | kendrick2 | shrugs... i dunno. :) |
| 08:46:55 | xxL | allegro is as old as DOS |
| 08:47:02 | kendrick2 | oh is it? ick ;) |
| 08:47:03 | kendrick2 | hehe |
| 08:47:38 | kendrick2 | i dunno... i picked up sdl for sdl_mixer, when i was working on bobobot, an x11 game |
| 08:47:59 | kendrick2 | i really wanted a good sfx lib, and the fact that it supported mod made me pee my pants, so i've used it ever since |
| 08:48:15 | kendrick2 | ported a few other xlib games i wrote to it, and pretty much have used it for everything ever since :) |
| 08:48:17 | xxL | http://alleg.sourceforge.net/ |
| 08:48:39 | kendrick2 | hmm.. no macos support yet? :( |
| 08:49:17 | xxL | they say MacOS and QNX ports are alpha |
| 08:49:54 | kendrick2 | looks to have some good primitive-drawing support |
| 08:50:03 | kendrick2 | sdl lacks that... it's just blit, update, blit, update |
| 08:50:20 | xxL | then there also is QCanvas... has anyone used that ? |
| 08:50:22 | kendrick2 | (of course, with pixel-level access, one can write their own, like i did for vectoroids, or use an add-on lib) |
| 08:50:36 | kendrick2 | umm.. is that what neotron's using? or is it something else? |
| 08:50:51 | kendrick2 | i don't like these package names |
| 08:51:05 | xxL | dunno. QCanvas is part of Qt and I guess it's quite optimized for Qt |
| 08:51:14 | kendrick2 | "sa", "ff"... it should be "stratigic-assault" and "sa-forestfire-pack" or something |
| 08:51:35 | kendrick2 | hasn't done any qt stuff yet because the paradigm is different from xlib and sdl |
| 08:51:46 | kendrick2 | 'signal/slot' vs. event-driven |
| 08:52:33 | kendrick2 | whee - all installed.. restarting qtopia |
| 08:52:56 | xxL | my next app will most likely be a game and I'm not sure wether to use QCanvas, port one of the 3 game toolkits, or just write one on my own designed and optimized for the Z fb... |
| 08:53:16 | kendrick2 | nice! music! :) |
| 08:53:21 | kendrick2 | kinda crappy music, but ;) |
| 08:53:27 | xxL | lol |
| 08:55:47 | kendrick2 | this song's /very/ c=64 ;) |
| 08:56:05 | xxL | sid, or what ? |
| 08:56:48 | kendrick2 | i assume mods |
| 08:57:10 | xxL | c=64 was a great platform imo. as were Amigas |
| 08:57:38 | xxL | still remembers 6502 asm |
| 08:57:57 | kendrick2 | i never did learn it |
| 08:57:59 | kendrick2 | i was a basic whore |
| 08:58:02 | kendrick2 | then i moved to action! |
| 08:58:04 | kendrick2 | then c |
| 08:58:18 | kendrick2 | haven't really moved since, unless you count php and what little perl i can muster :) |
| 08:58:20 | xxL | c=64 basic was, oh well... way too basic |
| 08:58:45 | kendrick2 | c=64 basic /suuucked/ |
| 08:58:50 | kendrick2 | you couldn't do anything with it! |
| 08:58:58 | kendrick2 | and if you went: |
| 08:58:59 | kendrick2 | 10 CAT=1 |
| 08:59:01 | kendrick2 | 20 CAR=2 |
| 08:59:03 | kendrick2 | 30 PRINT CAT |
| 08:59:05 | kendrick2 | it would say '2'!!!! |
| 08:59:23 | xxL | c=128 (v7, if I my memory serves me well) was better, but I never got to use it because asm was so much better |
| 09:00:19 | scribe | how do fonts work in QPE!! |
| 09:00:22 | scribe | Argh! |
| 09:00:26 | scribe | how do I add a font? |
| 09:00:38 | scribe | I have a .qpf file for the font. |
| 09:00:40 | kendrick2 | hey - can't you see we're talking about 8-bit computers? |
| 09:00:45 | scribe | :) sorry |
| 09:00:45 | kendrick2 | you and your off-topic whining! |
| 09:00:47 | kendrick2 | hehehehehehehehhee |
| 09:00:49 | kendrick2 | ;) |
| 09:00:56 | xxL | scribe: dunno. can it actually be done ? |
| 09:00:59 | scribe | I had C=64 |
| 09:01:13 | kendrick2 | my brother did |
| 09:01:16 | kendrick2 | i had an atari 1200xl |
| 09:01:16 | xxL | kendrick2: relax, man, you scared the guy :) |
| 09:01:18 | scribe | I wrote a bbs system for my C=64 |
| 09:01:26 | kendrick2 | no way! cool! |
| 09:01:28 | kendrick2 | in what lang? |
| 09:01:37 | scribe | and ran it off of 2 floppy drives for 3 years! |
| 09:01:41 | kendrick2 | cool! :) |
| 09:01:50 | xxL | still has a A500 |
| 09:01:51 | scribe | basic, what else :) |
| 09:01:51 | kendrick2 | i tried writing bbs stuff... i sucked at handling modems tho |
| 09:01:57 | kendrick2 | oh man... i want an amiga :( |
| 09:02:00 | xxL | too bad it won't boot anymore :( |
| 09:02:09 | scribe | kendrick2: I wanted an amiga for so long |
| 09:02:12 | kendrick2 | i have an atari 800xl on my desk next to me... and an 800 hooked up along with my atari 2600jr, NES, SNES, etc. :) |
| 09:02:24 | kendrick2 | amigas are just the next step after the atari 800 :) |
| 09:02:33 | kendrick2 | and atari lynxes are just like little handheld amigas ;) |
| 09:02:41 | kendrick2 | (they were all designed by a lot of the same people :) ) |
| 09:02:57 | scribe | kendrick2: and the cheezy atari st ripped of the amiga. even hired away the graphics chipset designer from commodore to help them |
| 09:03:13 | kendrick2 | yeah... tramiel was a moron :^( |
| 09:03:21 | kendrick2 | i never got into st's... i've seen one twice ;) |
| 09:03:28 | kendrick2 | my friend had an amiga, though, and it r00led |
| 09:03:44 | scribe | :) hehe |
| 09:03:46 | xxL | amiga would make a nice os for today's pda's (Z and ther like), IMO |
| 09:04:08 | kendrick2 | the old amiga os, or this new amiga/de stuff? |
| 09:04:22 | xxL | old one. the new amiga/de stuff is marketing crap |
| 09:05:08 | xxL | they only kept the name. I don't think the de platform itself has any remote resemblance to the good ol' amiga |
| 09:05:18 | kendrick2 | yeah... it's sad |
| 09:05:27 | kendrick2 | like a hollow shell of a platform |
| 09:05:35 | xxL | right |
| 09:05:43 | kendrick2 | so anyone here build xfree86 for arm? |
| 09:05:44 | xxL | http://www.aros.org |
| 09:05:56 | kendrick2 | decides to poke his head in #handhelds |
| 09:06:18 | xxL | no xfree here. |
| 09:07:13 | xxL | hates raw X programming |
| 09:07:31 | kendrick2 | enjoys it, mostly ;) |
| 09:07:34 | xxL | I guess I've been spoiled by swing, Be and Qt :) |
| 09:07:38 | kendrick2 | hehe |
| 09:08:35 | xxL | the only C gui toolkit I enjoy using is QNX/Photon |
| 09:08:58 | scribe | ok guys. I'm getting sleepy |
| 09:09:09 | xxL | 'night |
| 09:11:10 | xxL | heh, someone is porting aros to the Dragonball cpu (Palm) |
| 09:13:43 | kendrick2 | nifty |
| 09:13:49 | kendrick2 | just oogled over many sshots |
| 09:20:17 | kendrick2 | fuck |
| 09:20:21 | kendrick2 | after 1 already :( |
| 09:20:27 | fusion94 | yep |
| 09:20:30 | fusion94 | 1:22 |
| 09:20:34 | kendrick2 | heads to bed |
| 09:20:37 | kendrick2 | nite! |
| 09:20:41 | fusion94 | nite |
| 09:51:04 | Guest | r u guys having trouble accessing zauruszone |
| 10:12:56 | weimer | is away: I'm busy |
| 10:20:59 | weimer | is back (gone 00:08:03) |
| 10:39:00 | int13 | oh oh oh |
| 10:39:35 | int13 | and the contest ? |
| 10:39:51 | int13 | what about the contest ? |
| 10:40:31 | int13 | MY GOD THE CONTEST !!! |
| 10:40:56 | int13 | I can't wait anymore.. |
| 10:41:09 | int13 | it's too hard.. |
| 11:24:06 | Lz8B | hello ppl ? |
| 11:24:58 | fusion94 | morning |
| 11:25:48 | scanline | mirning |
| 11:25:51 | scanline | err, morning |
| 11:26:05 | scanline | i'm not sure whether i just did something really cool or really sick and wrong.. |
| 11:27:43 | Jonmann | I probably don't want to know? ;) |
| 11:28:12 | scanline | screenshot coming right up :) |
| 11:35:21 | Lz8B | scanline> screenshot ? |
| 11:35:21 | scanline | almost there... |
| 11:35:22 | scanline | ok, i think it's up |
| 11:35:22 | scanline | http://picogui.org/sshotdetail.php?index=62 |
| 11:35:22 | Lz8B | uh ? big ... this is for Zaurus ? |
| 11:35:22 | scanline | no, it's for picogui. picogui runs on Zaurus, but not with the OpenGL driver :) |
| 11:35:37 | Lz8B | ok ok :) |
| 11:35:47 | Lz8B | i thought it was for the contest |
| 11:35:59 | scanline | no, i haven't done any Qt programming yet |
| 11:36:01 | Jonmann | Uh-oh, that's scary. :> |
| 11:36:08 | scanline | is a pixel-pusher |
| 11:38:26 | Lz8B | in french "tres joli, bravo" |
| 11:38:26 | scanline | what scares me is how few changes to the picogui code it took to make this happen |
| 11:38:26 | fusion94 | i hear PicoGUI and i think of the old pico editor |
| 11:38:26 | scanline | hehe |
| 11:38:26 | fusion94 | then i think gui for that ?? that micah guy is on crack |
| 11:38:26 | fusion94 | runs |
| 11:38:27 | scanline | hehe |
| 11:38:27 | scanline | i got the same response first time i mentioned picogui to some guys on IRC |
| 11:38:32 | scanline | long long time ago... |
| 11:38:35 | fusion94 | heh |
| 11:38:43 | fusion94 | pico is OLD OLD SCHOOL |
| 11:38:45 | fusion94 | for us old people |
| 11:38:50 | scanline | yea |
| 11:38:58 | scanline | and some people actually use it even! |
| 11:39:14 | Jonmann | Yup, that's the same thing for me, I thought 'what the hell are pico and GUI doing in the same sentence :)' |
| 11:39:56 | scanline | The source code for the spinning cube is kinda funny too.. it mostly reads like a standard opengl program |
| 11:40:52 | fusion94 | http://members.aol.com/johnk0/godkills.jpg |
| 11:41:22 | fusion94 | theres a link to lighten up your morning |
| 11:41:33 | scanline | oops.. morning... 4:43 AM... time for sleep |
| 11:42:33 | scanline | g'night folks |
| 11:43:40 | fusion94 | night |
| 11:43:40 | scanline | is away: ZzZzZzzzzzz |
| 11:59:31 | weimer | is away: I'm busy |
| 12:01:01 | fusion94 | morning sir kergoth` |
| 12:01:02 | fusion94 | heh |
| 12:08:26 | weimer | is back (gone 00:08:55) |
| 13:24:36 | weimer | is away: I'm busy |
| 13:34:17 | mandrake | any word yet? |
| 13:34:38 | fusion94 | contest word ? |
| 13:34:58 | mandrake | yes |
| 13:35:09 | fusion94 | havne't heard a thing |
| 13:41:38 | ljp | I heard something.. but I may have been asleep and dreaming |
| 13:53:39 | ][N-Flux | I won, I won |
| 13:53:43 | ][N-Flux | is back (gone 07:55:09) |
| 13:57:04 | ljp | uh huh |
| 13:57:36 | fusion94 | is away: cooking breakfast |
| 13:59:19 | ][N-Flux | hehehe |
| 13:59:45 | ][N-Flux | waiting must be driving people nuts |
| 14:11:59 | mandrake | omw to work |
| 14:11:59 | mandrake | later |
| 14:12:06 | trebb | Waiting in silence, it's oh so hard... |
| 14:12:06 | trebb | Misery, black dispaer. |
| 14:12:06 | trebb | When, my Troll, will I know? |
| 14:12:06 | trebb | No haiku can mirror the pain... |
| 14:12:16 | trebb | :) Looks like I have no life, right? |
| 14:13:49 | ][N-Flux | hehehehehe |
| 14:13:59 | ][N-Flux | speaking of work |
| 14:14:09 | ][N-Flux | I should call, and see what the haps is |
| 14:27:29 | ljp | I won! I won! |
| 14:27:42 | ljp | oh no.. its just STS Orbital Data.. nm |
| 14:40:20 | trebb | :) |
| 14:41:42 | ][N-Flux | is away: worky worky |
| 14:43:32 | weimer | is back (gone 01:18:55) |
| 14:49:31 | fusion94 | is back (gone 00:51:54) |
| 14:59:38 | sieve | is back (gone 14:10:32) |
| 15:17:58 | kergoth | hello all |
| 15:23:15 | warmi | /msg NickServ IDENTIFY mimbla |
| 15:23:23 | warmi | crap |
| 15:25:01 | mandrake | nice |
| 15:26:09 | warmi | mandrake: any new about contest results yet ? |
| 15:26:52 | mandrake | not yet |
| 15:28:52 | warmi | another looong day |
| 15:29:06 | bipolar | is back (gone 18:10:52) |
| 15:29:25 | kergoth | argh stupid windows machine crashed again. what else is new |
| 15:29:27 | kergoth | mornin bipolar |
| 15:29:36 | bipolar | 'lo kergoth |
| 16:14:56 | BigBoss | howdy y'all |
| 16:16:08 | ljp_work | hi |
| 16:18:09 | Aelfweld | greetings and salutations |
| 16:19:05 | BigBoss | after much delay due to babies being born and servers crashing, we will for real release the tkcFTP client in the next week. It's done now, just gotta spruce up the UI. |
| 16:19:52 | Aelfweld | another other apps I might want to wait for before considering getting the package deal? ;) |
| 16:21:10 | tgall_pda | *yawn* |
| 16:21:23 | tgall_pda | stirs |
| 16:23:34 | sieve | maonin tgall |
| 16:23:41 | tgall_pda | morning gents |
| 16:25:52 | ljp_work | I hope Trolltech isn't this way with all their 'deadlines' |
| 16:25:54 | NeoTron | is back (gone 07:42:51) |
| 16:26:03 | NeoTron | still nothing? gesh |
| 16:30:19 | ljp_work | zecke: I think the parent window does.. I'm not real sure |
| 16:30:22 | ljp_work | opps |
| 16:34:44 | BigBoss | usually TT is good about deadlines, or at least barely missing them |
| 16:39:46 | weimer | is away: I'm busy |
| 16:42:16 | sieve | What's a good CF wirless card that werks with the Z? |
| 16:45:22 | BigBoss | Linksys |
| 16:45:27 | BigBoss | other than the fat top |
| 16:47:59 | icefox2 | List-o-today? |
| 16:49:08 | weimer | is back (gone 00:09:22) |
| 16:51:13 | ljp_work | hey all: http://contest.trolltech.com/betawinners.html |
| 16:52:47 | Aelfweld | ah should set the topic |
| 16:53:21 | warmi | ha .. I got my zaurus :-)) |
| 16:53:38 | xxL | too :) |
| 16:54:10 | gillus | yuhu !!! |
| 16:54:35 | xxL | woohooo |
| 16:54:39 | tgall_pda | congrats! |
| 16:54:56 | xxL | is that official, btw ? |
| 16:55:12 | gillus | yes I have a mail |
| 16:55:23 | gillus | from TT |
| 16:55:59 | warmi | I didn't get the email yet my my name is listed there so I assume I won Z |
| 16:56:12 | xxL | I haven't got an email (yet) |
| 16:56:14 | ljp_work | what is your app warmi? |
| 16:56:15 | tgall_pda | warmi: naw your evil twin did ;-) |
| 16:56:21 | warmi | Puzz_le |
| 16:56:45 | ljp_work | ahh |
| 16:56:58 | Aelfweld | I am envous of all the winners |
| 16:57:02 | warmi | screenshot:http://www.warmi.net/images/game.jpg |
| 16:58:26 | warmi | xxL: what was your app ? |
| 16:58:40 | xxL | ModPlayer |
| 16:58:45 | ljp_work | great.. that means I should start working on my app again... |
| 16:59:06 | warmi | ljp: did you made it ? |
| 17:00:46 | warmi | NeoWork finally will have the device to test with ... I knew his Eligo would win |
| 17:01:41 | NeoTron | whee! :) |
| 17:01:48 | NeoTron | cool cool |
| 17:01:49 | gillus | warmi: very nice, really |
| 17:02:16 | warmi | thanks, gillus : did you participate in the contest ? |
| 17:02:35 | gillus | warmi: yes, and i am a lucky beta winner |
| 17:02:43 | NeoTron | what app? |
| 17:02:44 | warmi | what did you write ? |
| 17:03:00 | ljp_work | warmi: yes.. gutenbrowser is my app |
| 17:03:18 | gillus | it's called zaam: ZaAm is an Application Manager |
| 17:03:21 | warmi | so looks like just about everyone here made it :-) |
| 17:03:26 | mandrake | doh |
| 17:03:29 | mandrake | I didn't |
| 17:03:47 | warmi | ups |
| 17:04:07 | warmi | well, mandrake you already have one Z :-) |
| 17:04:08 | mandrake | I bet its because of the timebomb, too |
| 17:04:13 | mandrake | warmi: it's not mine. |
| 17:04:16 | ljp_work | Jason was saying a lot were disqualified for not compiling/ not running/ using QT3.. |
| 17:05:01 | Aelfweld | kergoth one small thing was missing from the opie instructions. downloading tmake and setting TMAKEPATH worked great once I got that though |
| 17:05:02 | xxL | qt3 ? hmmm |
| 17:05:17 | NeoTron | xxL: kinda strange people would compile it for qt3, no? :P |
| 17:05:30 | warmi | I guess, some people had already something written in Qt3 and hopen to squeze thru |
| 17:05:31 | Aelfweld | I thouhgt he said they tried a couple versions of qt and qpe |
| 17:05:31 | xxL | no: exactly :) |
| 17:05:36 | xxL | s/no/neo |
| 17:05:52 | warmi | hoped << hopen |
| 17:07:10 | NeoTron | is away: work |
| 17:08:26 | BigBoss | so when are the finals supposed to be submitted |
| 17:08:28 | BigBoss | ? |
| 17:08:39 | warmi | april 2 |
| 17:08:58 | BigBoss | geez, another month? |
| 17:09:14 | BigBoss | is Warwick still one of the judges? |
| 17:09:29 | warmi | well, people need to have some time to test their apps with the actuall device |
| 17:10:23 | ljp_work | heh- now I won't have to lug the cradle back and forth between work and home.. :) |
| 17:10:26 | warmi | BigBoss: yeah, I don't think anything will change for the final round |
| 17:12:12 | jperlow-sharp | The Results are IN. |
| 17:12:29 | jperlow-sharp | I must say, I am surprised by some of the finals |
| 17:12:29 | BigBoss | yep, we are just talking about it |
| 17:12:41 | jperlow-sharp | although many I am not surprised |
| 17:12:51 | jperlow-sharp | I guess all the judges had very different tastes |
| 17:13:03 | BigBoss | I was kind of surprised too :) |
| 17:13:12 | BigBoss | so it is 1 finalist, or 1 finalist per category? |
| 17:13:17 | ljp_work | jason: a while back you were saying someone ported tempest to the Z. Was that the old arcade game? |
| 17:13:27 | jperlow-sharp | 1 per category |
| 17:13:38 | jperlow-sharp | ljp yep. |
| 17:13:55 | jperlow-sharp | I am hoping the eliminated entries show up soon |
| 17:13:57 | BigBoss | so $10k per category? |
| 17:14:11 | jperlow-sharp | no I think the finalists get laptops |
| 17:14:15 | jperlow-sharp | only 1 grand prize I think |
| 17:14:16 | jperlow-sharp | not sure |
| 17:14:37 | jperlow-sharp | I am suggesting we do this contest quarterly |
| 17:14:43 | jperlow-sharp | for Qtopia and Java apps |
| 17:14:49 | xxL | the 1 grand prize gets 10k *and* a laptop ? *g* :) |
| 17:14:51 | jperlow-sharp | seems to be a popular idea |
| 17:15:04 | jperlow-sharp | 10k and home theatre |
| 17:15:07 | jperlow-sharp | I think |
| 17:15:16 | jperlow-sharp | I dont remember how the prizes were supposed to be distributed |
| 17:15:30 | jperlow-sharp | btw |
| 17:15:35 | jperlow-sharp | I need a new home for ZaurusZone. |
| 17:15:42 | jperlow-sharp | the server cant handle the downloads anymore. |
| 17:15:47 | bipolar | jperlow-sharp: ouch |
| 17:15:50 | jperlow-sharp | the machine is crashing constantly. |
| 17:15:55 | jperlow-sharp | I had to stop all download activity. |
| 17:16:29 | bipolar | jperlow-sharp: What kind of bandwidth is getting used? |
| 17:16:44 | jperlow-sharp | about 3 t1's worth |
| 17:16:54 | jperlow-sharp | its on a shared 20 |
| 17:17:01 | jperlow-sharp | but by far we eat the most |
| 17:17:04 | bipolar | holy shit |
| 17:17:11 | bipolar | That much? |
| 17:17:19 | jperlow-sharp | yeah a lot of rom downloads and stuff |
| 17:17:24 | bipolar | phew |
| 17:17:30 | warmi | 3 t1s ???? |
| 17:17:32 | bipolar | Call rackspace. :) |
| 17:17:51 | bipolar | only has 1Mbit sync... |
| 17:17:56 | jperlow-sharp | we eat about 3 to 5 megabits at peak |
| 17:18:05 | jperlow-sharp | thats when we get hammered |
| 17:18:08 | warmi | whoa |
| 17:18:18 | bipolar | jperlow-sharp: you need throttling. |
| 17:18:27 | jperlow-sharp | yeah |
| 17:18:33 | jperlow-sharp | well this box has been crashing a lot |
| 17:18:37 | warmi | or mirrors for actuall files |
| 17:18:39 | jperlow-sharp | I am not sure if its the bandwidth or not |
| 17:18:48 | bipolar | jperlow-sharp: Box crashing? Whats it running? |
| 17:18:53 | jperlow-sharp | but get internal server errors and then the httpd stops working as well as the ssh |
| 17:19:01 | jperlow-sharp | redhat 7.2 with all the fixes |
| 17:19:33 | jperlow-sharp | I really need someone to analyze the box with a fine toothcomb |
| 17:19:37 | bipolar | jperlow-sharp: hmmmm.... crashing? I had that happen once on my RH 7.2 box. It ate all the memory and b0rked |
| 17:19:40 | jperlow-sharp | unfortuantely I dont have th tme |
| 17:19:52 | jperlow-sharp | yeah I have a script running on it that monitors the mem |
| 17:19:59 | jperlow-sharp | the box has a gig of ram |
| 17:20:10 | jperlow-sharp | it is supposed to reboot the box when it commits 768mb of ram |
| 17:20:11 | bipolar | jperlow-sharp: hehe... mine only has 128. :) |
| 17:20:15 | jperlow-sharp | its only happened a few times |
| 17:20:28 | jperlow-sharp | we usually run between 400mb and 600mb of commited ram |
| 17:20:47 | jperlow-sharp | I run another notable web site on that box |
| 17:20:54 | jperlow-sharp | but it doesnt do downloads |
| 17:21:00 | jperlow-sharp | just straight httpd |
| 17:21:07 | jperlow-sharp | a restaurant site, egullet.com |
| 17:21:11 | jperlow-sharp | one of my other hobbies |
| 17:21:12 | jperlow-sharp | eating |
| 17:21:20 | bipolar | jperlow-sharp: lol |
| 17:21:24 | ljp_work | and rum |
| 17:21:26 | NeoTron | is back (gone 00:14:17) |
| 17:21:33 | jperlow-sharp | yeah rum collecting |
| 17:21:35 | NeoTron | I'm back! |
| 17:21:41 | bipolar | ljp_work: I need something thats stronger then rum now. |
| 17:21:44 | jperlow-sharp | congrats david., |
| 17:21:48 | NeoTron | just as I left the garage, my powerstearing went |
| 17:21:51 | warmi | Neo|Work: congrats:-) |
| 17:21:52 | bipolar | ljp_work: I'm imune to it. :) |
| 17:21:53 | NeoTron | jperlow-sharp: thanks |
| 17:21:53 | icefox2 | TkcJabber--Shawn Gordon |
| 17:21:59 | icefox2 | that isn't open source? |
| 17:22:07 | icefox2 | is it? |
| 17:22:10 | jperlow-sharp | the apps dont have to be |
| 17:22:11 | ljp_work | bipolar: Bacardi 151 isn't astrong enough? |
| 17:22:13 | NeoTron | so I'll be working from home today |
| 17:22:14 | bipolar | BTW: if any contest winners have a spare Z to donate, please let me know. |
| 17:22:28 | ljp_work | ice: it didn't need to be open source |
| 17:22:28 | jperlow-sharp | I am surprised fastolfe's entry did not win |
| 17:22:35 | jperlow-sharp | the other vnc app did |
| 17:22:37 | bipolar | ljp_work: Tastes like tupentine(sp) |
| 17:22:41 | warmi | what was it ? |
| 17:22:42 | jperlow-sharp | the purely qtopia one |
| 17:22:58 | bipolar | I'd like to help kergoth with OZ, but I have no Z. :) |
| 17:23:06 | jperlow-sharp | I nominated OZ by the way. |
| 17:23:10 | jperlow-sharp | guess the other two did not. |
| 17:23:24 | bipolar | jperlow-sharp: Have you seen Opie lately? |
| 17:23:30 | jperlow-sharp | kinda feels like the olympics |
| 17:23:33 | mandrake | I just had this sinking suspicion the timebomb nobody told me about until it was too late would kill my chances. |
| 17:23:35 | warmi | hehe |
| 17:23:37 | jperlow-sharp | bipolar I am eagerly awaiting OZ 3 |
| 17:23:38 | bipolar | jperlow-sharp: We've got some really awesome shit happening. |
| 17:23:49 | icefox2 | jperlow-sharp: is a list of what these app do going up at any point? |
| 17:24:02 | mandrake | lunchtime, later. |
| 17:24:02 | jperlow-sharp | bipolar can we get some X86 snapshots soon? |
| 17:24:08 | jperlow-sharp | I want to be able to demo them |
| 17:24:18 | bipolar | jperlow-sharp: We'd have to build them |
| 17:24:34 | warmi | what is OZ ? |
| 17:24:39 | jperlow-sharp | OpenZaurus |
| 17:24:50 | warmi | oh ...ok |
| 17:25:04 | icefox2 | What is "GM--Henrik Abelsson"? |
| 17:25:09 | bipolar | Looks like work is going to start on libOpie soon. That will give us a boost. |
| 17:25:16 | jperlow-sharp | its an IM app |
| 17:25:21 | icefox2 | ah |
| 17:25:47 | xxL | bipolar: libOpie ? |
| 17:26:22 | NeoTron | Man, apache is a memory hog isn't it? |
| 17:26:47 | bipolar | xxL: yeah. Opie specific extentions to libqpe. |
| 17:27:06 | bipolar | xxL: they will be put into a seprate lib. |
| 17:27:13 | xxL | bipolar: any code so far ? or a devel ml ? |
| 17:28:29 | bipolar | xxL: no code for libOpie yet. But Opie being worked on and there is code in the cvs and packages for the iPaq. |
| 17:29:34 | bipolar_away | is away: I'm not here... Really.... |
| 17:29:55 | xxL | no mailing list ? |
| 17:29:58 | ljp_work | is wary about libopie and compatibilty with qtopia |
| 17:30:33 | xxL | ljp: ?? |
| 17:31:35 | ljp_work | if opie uses libopie.. people wanting to run our enhanced qpe apps are going to have to install libopie also |
| 17:31:51 | ljp_work | and maybe other things as well |
| 17:31:54 | gillus | libOpie is a good move for Opie (IMHO) |
| 17:32:00 | xxL | ljp: true. so what ? |
| 17:32:13 | ljp_work | not compatible |
| 17:33:27 | NeoTron | it's nothing more strange than using requiring for example libz to be installed imhpo |
| 17:33:32 | xxL | ljp: depends on what you mean with 'compatible' |
| 17:33:35 | xxL | neo: agree |
| 17:33:35 | NeoTron | or SDL, or... go figure |
| 17:34:25 | gillus | too much stuff in QPe cannot be reuzed because it is only in the executable. |
| 17:35:08 | ljp_work | I just don't see the need for libopie |
| 17:36:17 | Aelfweld | only if there is a lot of common functions that need to be in a quite of apps does it make sense |
| 17:36:56 | Lz8B | selected : YEAH ! |
| 17:37:03 | gillus | I whish to have helpbrowser, fileslector in a shared lib |
| 17:37:17 | warmi | Lz88: what was your app ? |
| 17:37:31 | Lz8B | Uengine, a game engine with 5 games |
| 17:37:41 | Lz8B | UE (title) |
| 17:37:43 | warmi | oh right, I remember UE :-) |
| 17:38:14 | warmi | man, I just barely managed to squeze single game and you come up with this engine |
| 17:38:28 | warmi | I saw you had Boulder Dash clone there ... my favourity from 80s |
| 17:38:29 | Lz8B | eh |
| 17:38:40 | Lz8B | mine too :) |
| 17:39:24 | ljp_work | gillus: if fileselector is in a lib,.. then people running sharp rom, and want to install, say, my texteditor, they will have to install opielib |
| 17:39:43 | ljp_work | that means redundant code taking up space |
| 17:40:33 | warmi | well you can't avoid that unless you start using components model ( I think they have something like that in Qt3 ) |
| 17:40:57 | ljp_work | it makes no sense, though |
| 17:41:00 | xxL | ljp: you got the definition of 'redundant |
| 17:41:01 | gillus | ljp_work: no, they get the libopie and a simple executable linked against the lib |
| 17:41:05 | xxL | wrong, imo |
| 17:41:45 | ljp_work | well.. lets see.. if there two fileselectors installed on their pda.. that's redundant |
| 17:42:17 | xxL | ljp: very true. but if you use shared lib you would have only one file selector |
| 17:42:52 | ljp_work | not if they are using the sharp rom- they will have to keep the fileselector execiutable to use sharp's apps |
| 17:43:32 | gillus | one thing very intersting would be to have a simple lib that allow a quick port of kde app. |
| 17:43:55 | Jonmann | Is there a gcc port planned for the Zaurus? |
| 17:44:10 | NeoTron | there is a gcc for the Z |
| 17:44:13 | Aelfweld | I think there is on on sf already |
| 17:44:15 | gillus | it really misses the {KDE,QT}FileSelector widget |
| 17:44:19 | xxL | ljp: do you call the sorry excuse that the qpe's document selector is, a file selector ? hmm... |
| 17:44:26 | Jonmann | Oh, great. Thanks. |
| 17:45:51 | BigBoss | we've got a good file selector in our tkcEditor application |
| 17:45:58 | hikke | When does the retail version come out of Zaurus? |
| 17:46:06 | BigBoss | probably the end of this month |
| 17:46:15 | BigBoss | I understand they just froze it at the end of last week |
| 17:46:27 | mark_ | BigBoss: froze the rom? |
| 17:46:40 | hikke | Does it cost more than that devenlopers only version? |
| 17:47:04 | Fluxwerk | well well well |
| 17:47:21 | warmi | hikke: yeah, it will sell for around $540 |
| 17:47:22 | Aelfweld | it costs more and comes with more(ram software support etc) |
| 17:47:46 | hikke | yeps.. |
| 17:48:28 | whardier | yo peeps |
| 17:48:31 | NeoTron | whardier: yo |
| 17:48:33 | ljp_work | xxL: that's what its called. |
| 17:48:35 | whardier | who won |
| 17:48:48 | mark_ | http://contest.trolltech.com/betawinners.html |
| 17:48:51 | ljp_work | http://contest.trolltech.com/betawinners.html |
| 17:48:53 | ljp_work | heh |
| 17:48:55 | whardier | I got the email |
| 17:48:57 | mark_ | someone put that in the topic :) |
| 17:49:03 | whardier | wondering who in here won :) |
| 17:49:08 | whardier | RAISE YOU HANDS IN DA AIR! |
| 17:49:13 | mark_ | whardier: me, ljp_work, NeoTron |
| 17:49:21 | mark_ | zecke |
| 17:49:23 | gillus | me |
| 17:49:25 | mark_ | don't know who else |
| 17:49:28 | xxL | me |
| 17:49:30 | mark_ | gillus: what was yours? |
| 17:49:34 | whardier | ljp what did you do? |
| 17:49:36 | gillus | ZaAM |
| 17:49:42 | ljp_work | gutenbrowser |
| 17:49:43 | mark_ | xxL: yours? |
| 17:49:50 | whardier | oh yeah |
| 17:49:52 | xxL | Modplayer |
| 17:49:55 | whardier | sweet |
| 17:49:57 | whardier | congrats guys! |
| 17:50:02 | ljp_work | they should also put up our irc nicks |
| 17:50:06 | whardier | no kidding |
| 17:50:06 | whardier | heh |
| 17:50:08 | xxL | heh |
| 17:50:19 | Jonmann | Was the Z gcc ported by Sharp or was it community-created? |
| 17:50:27 | mark_ | can not understand why he got one, but hey, i'm not complaining :) |
| 17:50:28 | whardier | shaep |
| 17:50:54 | Fluxwerk | so, when do we get to play with these programs |
| 17:50:59 | gillus | mark_: what is your app |
| 17:51:12 | mark_ | gillus: QTick - metronome |
| 17:51:45 | gillus | mark_: Business category. Nice |
| 17:52:11 | mark_ | gillus: productivity :) - my piano playing is _far_ more productive with a metronome around :) |
| 17:52:36 | gillus | mark_: tic tac tic tac |
| 17:52:58 | palmradic | me too, me too! yippiee! :) |
| 17:53:18 | whardier | hehehe |
| 17:53:50 | mark_ | palmradic: hehe, whats yours/ |
| 17:54:18 | palmradic | mark: a kanji dictionary/learning tool: Kani |
| 17:54:20 | warmi | whardier : me too .. with Puzz-le game |
| 17:54:46 | NeoTron | now the REAL battle begins! *grin* |
| 17:54:47 | NeoTron | hehe |
| 17:54:52 | ljp_work | mark: is QTick available for download? |
| 17:55:04 | NeoTron | imagines old Batman visual sound effects. |
| 17:55:12 | warmi | well, there is not much more I can do there ... my thing is pretty much finished |
| 17:55:30 | palmradic | Neo: i dont want the mony, I settle with the TV.. :) |
| 17:55:38 | warmi | I was hoping for Z, I got one .. that's it, I am happy man now |
| 17:55:42 | NeoTron | warmi: ditto |
| 17:55:44 | ljp_work | I'm happy with another Zaurus |
| 17:55:59 | NeoTron | I'd love a laptop or $10k, but a Z was my initial goal |
| 17:56:06 | ljp_work | one for my left pocket, one for the right |
| 17:56:09 | BigBoss | where is a link to the prizes? |
| 17:56:11 | BigBoss | I can't remember |
| 17:56:12 | NeoTron | ljp_work: hehe |
| 17:56:18 | mark_ | ljp_work: LOL |
| 17:56:21 | xxL | ljp: lol |
| 17:56:25 | NeoTron | it's on http://contest.trolltech.com/ |
| 17:56:32 | NeoTron | 1. |
| 17:56:32 | NeoTron | * Grand Prize: $10,000 cash (USD), plus a Sharp big screen TV, Sharp home stereo, and a Sharp PC-UM10 laptop; |
| 17:56:32 | NeoTron | * Five First Prizes: A Sharp PC-UM10 Laptop will be given to the person who writes the winning application in each category; |
| 17:56:40 | mark_ | NeoTron: ditto. |
| 17:56:46 | mark_ | that first prize really rocks |
| 17:57:01 | NeoTron | so does that mean the second app in the first price winner's category will get a laptop too? |
| 17:57:02 | warmi | yeah, winner takes all |
| 17:57:05 | warmi | :-) |
| 17:57:18 | mark_ | NeoTron: hopefully |
| 17:57:28 | NeoTron | I'm guessing that's the case yes |
| 17:57:49 | mark_ | i dont know what half these apps are |
| 17:58:17 | warmi | I am mostly interested in games .... I know at least 3 of them |
| 17:58:23 | mark_ | did anyone actually enter and not win? |
| 17:58:26 | NeoTron | yes |
| 17:58:28 | palmradic | yes, a description of the apps would be nice |
| 17:58:29 | warmi | Pcode possibly being code-wars or something like that |
| 17:58:31 | NeoTron | there were some 200 applications submitted |
| 17:58:47 | NeoTron | and about 70 were disqualified for either not running, not compiling or both |
| 17:58:52 | Aelfweld | fastolife didn't win for his vnc which I think rocks sourta sucks |
| 17:58:54 | NeoTron | to 130 good apps |
| 17:58:55 | mark_ | NeoTron: i heard more than that. |
| 17:59:03 | NeoTron | mark_: that's what it was |
| 17:59:06 | mark_ | Aelfweld: oh yeh. you are right. |
| 17:59:08 | NeoTron | 80 didn't win, 50 did |
| 17:59:12 | warmi | mandrake did not win for his speech synt prog .. |
| 17:59:15 | mark_ | oh yeh |
| 17:59:16 | mark_ | ! |
| 17:59:24 | mark_ | he was convinced he was gonna win the competition! |
| 17:59:56 | warmi | well, he had some issues with trialware expiring in his code or something like that |
| 18:00:11 | mark_ | NeoTron: who would submit an app that didn't compile? |
| 18:00:18 | NeoTron | mark_: we don't know |
| 18:00:34 | mark_ | NeoTron: rather strange thing to do :) |
| 18:00:34 | warmi | supposedly some people submited Qt 3 apps etc ... |
| 18:00:52 | ljp_work | mark: maybe they uses Qt3 or had an environment problem |
| 18:00:55 | NeoTron | mark_: it might be compiler issues, missing libraries... tons of potential issues |
| 18:00:59 | mark_ | hmmmm |
| 18:01:01 | NeoTron | or simply bad code. :P |
| 18:01:17 | gillus | Is it an "ordered list " of winners ? |
| 18:01:24 | warmi | yeah, linked with some strange lib that was not present on tester machine etc |
| 18:01:27 | scanline | is back (gone 06:18:25) |
| 18:01:43 | mark_ | gillus: nah, doesnt look like it |
| 18:01:46 | zecke | hija |
| 18:02:27 | gillus | It would be cool to have the note. Just to what should be improved. |
| 18:03:02 | warmi | jperlow mentioned something about Trolls posting list of entries that did not make it |
| 18:03:05 | NeoTron | gillus: I really think it's just random order |
| 18:03:10 | warmi | something like that |
| 18:03:22 | mark_ | gillus: you reading 'who will be contacted seperately' as 'will be contacted individually'? |
| 18:03:50 | warmi | yeah, it sounded like that too me |
| 18:04:12 | mark_ | hmm, i just thought it meant 'will be contacted away from the distribution list' |
| 18:04:24 | gillus | Maybe I am too used with "scientific peer reviewing" :-) |
| 18:06:50 | mark_ | battery life better on ipaq or Z? |
| 18:11:43 | sieve|lunch | is away: I'm busy |
| 18:19:04 | warmi_wrok | crap ... |
| 18:19:12 | whardier | oh yeaH? |
| 18:24:17 | ljp_work | hmm. so.. when do I get my Z? :) |
| 18:24:22 | scanline | is away: standing in the small wet room for a moment |
| 18:24:25 | jperlow-sharp | ljp: soon |
| 18:24:31 | jperlow-sharp | troll is handling that |
| 18:24:38 | ljp_work | heh- I'm kinda kidding around here.. |
| 18:24:50 | ljp_work | being obnoxious |
| 18:24:52 | mark_ | jperlow-sharp: they being shipped form the states? |
| 18:25:08 | jperlow-sharp | yep |
| 18:25:12 | ljp_work | now I have one to try cool mods on |
| 18:25:43 | warmi_work | this is the developer version with no additional memory etc ,r ight ? |
| 18:25:50 | jperlow-sharp | btw for those of you who lost, or didnt make it, we are going to be offering a special purchase deal on 5000d's |
| 18:26:00 | jperlow-sharp | and I mean VERY special |
| 18:26:03 | ljp_work | warmi: yes the 5000d |
| 18:26:19 | ljp_work | any deals on a 5500? |
| 18:26:20 | xxL | jp: like $100, or what ? |
| 18:26:32 | jperlow-sharp | probably closer to $200 |
| 18:26:52 | jperlow-sharp | which is like $200 below our cost basically |
| 18:26:53 | mark_ | jperlow-sharp: darn, gonna take ages then :) |
| 18:27:09 | warmi_work | mark_: where are you ? |
| 18:27:40 | jperlow-sharp | btw we've dropped the price on the 5500 |
| 18:27:51 | ljp_work | that's good to hear |
| 18:27:52 | jperlow-sharp | originally the price was going to be $549 |
| 18:28:00 | mark_ | jperlow-sharp: glad to here it |
| 18:28:01 | jperlow-sharp | now we finalized on $499 |
| 18:28:06 | mark_ | hear* |
| 18:28:09 | mark_ | warmi_work: UK |
| 18:28:31 | palmradic | jperlow-sharp: good move! |
| 18:28:43 | warmi_work | just a bit more than iPaq which sells for $450 |
| 18:28:45 | gillus | the 5500 will be available in Europe ? |
| 18:29:02 | warmi_work | mark_: come on , it doesn't take that long to get something shipped to UK |
| 18:29:31 | mark_ | warmi_work: the combination of the UPS and our post office means anything could happen. I'm still waiting for xmas presents shipped from the states :) |
| 18:29:51 | xxL | hey, palm just got a new one out. m515 |
| 18:30:04 | warmi_work | I thought UPS had its own local distribution network ... |
| 18:30:05 | BigBoss | oh sweet 0 you guys settled for $499? That is going to kick ass |
| 18:30:16 | BigBoss | how many palms are there now? |
| 18:30:36 | xxL | bb: too many to count |
| 18:30:54 | mark_ | warmi_work: I dont mean UPS. I mean the united states postal service. whats it called? |
| 18:31:00 | BigBoss | what is special about the m515? |
| 18:31:10 | xxL | heh, the m515 has 16M of RAM and sells for $399 |
| 18:31:13 | ljp_work | BB: I still have two palms.. a right and a left |
| 18:31:29 | warmi_work | USPS .. I think |
| 18:31:46 | xxL | looks like the 16M is the only difference between 505 and 515. what a bs |
| 18:32:00 | mark_ | warmi_work: but on the other hand, they may ship it with UPS or DHL or someone |
| 18:32:00 | BigBoss | geez, for another $100 you get a Z |
| 18:32:24 | BigBoss | Palm is dust |
| 18:32:49 | warmi_work | mark_: could be ... these days UPS can get just about everywhere |
| 18:32:49 | jperlow-sharp | we just hired the ex head of corp sales for palm |
| 18:32:49 | whardier | naw |
| 18:33:17 | whardier | not unless I can get a Z for under $200 |
| 18:33:38 | xxL | bb: I doubt it. the m100 is less than $100 |
| 18:33:59 | warmi_work | mark_: you have any URL with some screenshots or some info about your player for Z ? |
| 18:34:11 | juhokki | 400$ is still quite much i think |
| 18:34:34 | juhokki | atleast for meh |
| 18:34:48 | mark_ | warmi_work: my metronome? no, not yet |
| 18:35:06 | whardier | hmm |
| 18:35:13 | whardier | did anybody write a LiveJournal QT app? |
| 18:35:35 | BigBoss | xxl: I'm talking that new Palm |
| 18:35:37 | warmi_work | ups .. sorry, I thought you wrote that sid player ;-) |
| 18:36:02 | warmi_work | ah , you wrote Qtick , right ? |
| 18:36:11 | ljp_work | we want qtick!! |
| 18:36:22 | xxL | bb: I know. even the new Palm... the Z is like a brick compared to the slickness of the m500 series |
| 18:36:29 | whardier | ~true that |
| 18:36:49 | xxL | bb: plus, it get's the job done. |
| 18:37:03 | whardier | I am just gonna have to make a holographic wrist worn interface |
| 18:37:15 | ljp_work | there ya go. |
| 18:37:20 | whardier | and just hang around in the dark |
| 18:37:26 | BigBoss | xxl: sure, they are different devices with a different target audience |
| 18:37:37 | xxL | bb: exactly |
| 18:37:41 | mark_ | ljp_work: stop taking the piss :P |
| 18:37:50 | mark_ | warmi_work: yeh |
| 18:38:07 | mark_ | whardier: live journal app would be cool |
| 18:38:25 | Harlekin | ljp_work: new version on ftp |
| 18:38:42 | ljp_work | k |
| 18:39:15 | xxL | yay! I just noticed there's also the new m130 |
| 18:39:24 | scribeMob | hey guys. |
| 18:39:26 | scribeMob | I'm a loser |
| 18:39:28 | scribeMob | :) |
| 18:39:52 | mark_ | warmi_work: http://stud4.tuwien.ac.at/~e9326522/sidplayer/ btw |
| 18:40:02 | Harlekin | arg |
| 18:41:01 | warmi_work | thanks |
| 18:41:19 | warmi_work | scribe: what was your app ? |
| 18:41:25 | warmi_work | scribe ? |
| 18:41:41 | jperlow-sharp | scribe: we will be offering a special purchase deal for zauruses for the "losers" |
| 18:41:51 | jperlow-sharp | in my opinion nobody who submitted an app is a loser |
| 18:41:51 | Harlekin | scribe: me too, but i entered to late |
| 18:42:02 | scribe | http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/qpsword |
| 18:42:12 | Harlekin | jperlow-sharp: btw, did later submission work for anything? |
| 18:42:32 | scribe | jperlow-sharp: :) good, cuz I really want to test my app out on the Z. I keep having to ask others. |
| 18:43:03 | BigBoss | did anyone notice that www.handandgo.com/sharp was passworded yesterday? |
| 18:43:07 | scribe | warmi_work: It's a book reader for dictionaries, Bibles, lexica, technical study also |
| 18:43:14 | NeoTron | scribe: I'll gladly help you testing when I get mine, since I did that to others. :P |
| 18:43:14 | mark_ | BigBoss: happened ages ago |
| 18:43:21 | scribe | warmi_work: http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/qpsword |
| 18:43:35 | ljp_work | Jason: will winners be able to get that $200 deal? |
| 18:43:45 | BigBoss | I was getting orders on Sunday from handandgo, then it locked up yesterday |
| 18:43:48 | warmi_work | BigBoss: I has been like that for the last week or so |
| 18:43:54 | jperlow-sharp | ljp: the winners get a free unit!!!!! |
| 18:44:00 | BigBoss | I talked to my contact at handandgo and they were surprised it even existed |
| 18:44:12 | xxL | geez |
| 18:44:27 | jperlow-sharp | yeah we released the password on www.handango.com/sharp |
| 18:44:33 | jperlow-sharp | we asked them to do it today |
| 18:44:54 | jperlow-sharp | userid Sharp pass Beta1 |
| 18:45:05 | jperlow-sharp | they took it off already |
| 18:45:05 | ljp_work | ok.. how about Opie developers.. can they get a $200 deal? :) |
| 18:45:11 | scribe | jperlow-sharp: do any models of the Z come with bluetooth? I just ordered a bt phone and would like to work on bt drivers |
| 18:45:34 | ljp_work | zecke: yes the battery takes 3 hours to fully charge |
| 18:45:38 | ljp_work | opps |
| 18:45:40 | ljp_work | dang it |
| 18:45:43 | jperlow-sharp | scribe no bluetooth integration yet |
| 18:45:44 | warmi | scribe: I am surprized your app did not make it .. it really looks good, perhpas it is a niche app but looks very professional on these screenshoots |
| 18:45:48 | BigBoss | jason: so what's the deal - are they selling or not selling? I understood that Handandgo was going to do a big promotion for a new site soon |
| 18:45:50 | jperlow-sharp | but we have drivers in the works for CF bt cards |
| 18:46:06 | jperlow-sharp | big they are selling |
| 18:46:57 | BigBoss | jason: thanks |
| 18:47:39 | scribe | warmi: thanks. It is a niche app, but I thought at least the FULL UNABRIDGED WEBSTERS DICTIONARY might be appealing to the 'heathen' :) |
| 18:48:32 | mark_ | scribe: you may have been better to market it just as a websters dictionary app......... |
| 18:48:43 | treke | whoohoo. something for us heathen :) |
| 18:49:09 | NeoTron | a sharp Zaurus with a builtin camera? funky. http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/pc/docs/2002/0305/sharp.htm |
| 18:49:49 | whardier | *cream* |
| 18:49:51 | whardier | I want! |
| 18:49:58 | NeoTron | fires up babelfish |
| 18:50:06 | scribe | mark_: maybe, but figured additional functionality wouldn't hurt. But maybe political reasons. And thats fine. I understand that people don't want to make waves |
| 18:50:10 | mark_ | does bablefish do out of japanese translation? |
| 18:50:18 | whardier | weird |
| 18:50:32 | NeoTron | yes, babelfish handles japanese <-> english |
| 18:50:59 | whardier | neet |
| 18:51:03 | NeoTron | when they got that babelfish became truely amazing |
| 18:51:12 | NeoTron | still babelfish quality but heck of a lot easier to read. :-)) |
| 18:51:17 | warmi | scribe: come on, bible reading is definately not "dirty" subject .. not in US |
| 18:51:30 | mark_ | NeoTron: bablefish sucks for doing french homework :) |
| 18:51:35 | NeoTron | haha |
| 18:51:40 | NeoTron | yeah, I'd think so |
| 18:51:53 | mark_ | it's pretty darn good though for japanese |
| 18:51:59 | scribe | warmi: hope not :) |
| 18:52:11 | warmi | while it might be niche market, i fail to see any "political" reasons for disregarding this topic |
| 18:52:40 | mark_ | they are selling this from march 15th? |
| 18:52:54 | NeoTron | at least that page says so |
| 18:53:50 | mark_ | jperlow-sharp: is this right? this z with a camera on it? |
| 18:54:16 | NeoTron | Ah great. http://www.sharp.co.jp/products/mie25dc/index.html <= much of the text is images! |
| 18:54:22 | mark_ | http://www.sharp.co.jp/products/mie25dc/image/p01-05.gif |
| 18:54:26 | mark_ | doesn't look like Qtopia to me |
| 18:54:38 | bipolar | is back (gone 01:25:03) |
| 18:54:41 | NeoTron | agreed |
| 18:54:54 | mark_ | NeoTron: this must have been their old Z with zaurusOS? |
| 18:54:56 | warmi | scribe |
| 18:55:04 | warmi | are you planning to sell your app ? |
| 18:55:08 | NeoTron | The address register pleasant becomes <http://babelfish.altavista.com/image/spacer.gif> |
| 18:55:08 | NeoTron | <http://babelfish.altavista.com/image/spacer.gif> When the mug shot is attached, it becomes easy to remember also name such as partner of work. |
| 18:55:09 | NeoTron | hehe |
| 18:55:15 | NeoTron | mug shot! :) |
| 18:55:50 | scribe | warmi: nope, everything we do at crosswire is freely available online (http://www.crosswire.org) |
| 18:57:33 | warmi | scribe: oh, from reading "About us" it sounds like you are non-profit organization |
| 18:57:54 | mark_ | will the ROM for the 5500 run on the 5000? |
| 18:57:57 | scribe | warmi: yep. non-income actually |
| 18:57:59 | scribe | :) |
| 18:58:07 | BigBoss | non-profit? ooo, that is going to give me nightmares :) |
| 18:58:09 | warmi | since you are not asking for donations, I wonder how do you survive ? |
| 18:58:15 | NeoTron | I am not at all religious but I don't mind people praticing religion, more or less any religion even. |
| 18:58:19 | warmi | seriously, just courious |
| 18:58:21 | scribe | warmi: we all have day jobs :) |
| 18:58:38 | scribe | I am sr. software architect at: http://www.evergreen.com |
| 18:58:43 | NeoTron | what I absolutely despise is people who either try to convert everyone they meet or look down at / critisize people with other beliefs |
| 18:58:52 | warmi | oh .. so this is sort of hobby style project |
| 18:59:18 | warmi | (assuming religon can be refered to as such ..) |
| 18:59:23 | whardier | http://www.sharp.co.jp/corporate/news/020305.html |
| 18:59:26 | whardier | whats the OS on those? |
| 19:00:09 | scanline | is away: class |
| 19:00:13 | scribe | warmi: yeah, in a sense. We'd probably call it 'ministry', but hobbie is fine. I enjoy it, and it takes lots of time, so that's about the same as a hobbie. |
| 19:01:08 | warmi | well, scribe .. good luck. I do believe your app should have been included. It look very nice. But, that wasn't my choice :-) |
| 19:01:19 | warmi | got to go back to work .. |
| 19:01:30 | scribe | warmi: thanks :) |
| 19:02:30 | scribe | warmi_work: that makes me feel better about being rejected by sharp / trolltech :) |
| 19:02:50 | Aelfweld | so who is going to make a cf usbmaster/host ? that way I don't have to give up storage(ie microdrive option) for networking? ;) |
| 19:06:41 | mark_ | whardier: zaurusOS i think |
| 19:06:41 | NeoTron | it's actually called that? |
| 19:07:14 | whardier | I want zaurusOS |
| 19:08:02 | mark_ | NeoTron: i thought so |
| 19:08:38 | whardier | megapop |
| 19:08:50 | whardier | ljp who do you get better access with in Longmont |
| 19:09:10 | ljp_work | jymis |
| 19:09:13 | whardier | err |
| 19:09:21 | whardier | with megapop numbers or with the jym 303 nuimber |
| 19:09:23 | ljp_work | aol? |
| 19:09:38 | ljp_work | oh.. I'm using megapop right now |
| 19:09:44 | NeoTron | anyone know of some good highres images of the Z online? |
| 19:09:50 | NeoTron | like the one used by the Z vncserver? |
| 19:09:59 | whardier | http://memakinglovetoazaurus.com/ |
| 19:10:18 | NeoTron | whardier: damn, I couldn't lookup that domain. ;-) |
| 19:10:24 | whardier | no shit |
| 19:13:20 | NeoTron | seriously, any good links? |
| 19:13:55 | NeoTron | nm |
| 19:16:47 | whardier | hi |
| 19:18:40 | Fastolfe | hello everybody |
| 19:19:07 | mark_ | hi Fastolfe |
| 19:19:10 | Aelfweld | hey Fastolfe |
| 19:20:25 | Fastolfe | NeoTron: I can send you the hi-res xcf of the zaurus panel if you want |
| 19:20:59 | altered | Congrats to all of the winners!! |
| 19:22:39 | NeoTron | Fastolfe: just wanted to show a picture to someone |
| 19:22:45 | treke | congrats to winners, now post binaries/source |
| 19:22:47 | NeoTron | i.e if you have a pic online somewhere |
| 19:22:55 | NeoTron | did that, done that. :P |
| 19:23:30 | Harlekin | source please |
| 19:23:31 | Fastolfe | NeoTron: hmm okay, then I spose you can lift the low-res jpg of the same image in /usr/local/vnc/zaurus_panel.jpg |
| 19:24:02 | NeoTron | Harlekin: nope, shareware. no source from me |
| 19:24:17 | Harlekin | NeoTron: ok ok :-) |
| 19:24:20 | NeoTron | that said, I might make a tutorial app, like a tetris or what not |
| 19:24:29 | Harlekin | NeoTron: just wanted to add some delays and change the ai |
| 19:24:31 | Harlekin | .-) |
| 19:24:43 | NeoTron | to show off stuff I've learned etc |
| 19:24:50 | NeoTron | Harlekin: I might hack in some way to adjust speed |
| 19:26:54 | Harlekin | NeoTron: instead of tetris, how about majong? |
| 19:27:10 | NeoTron | tetris because it's so simple to make |
| 19:27:15 | NeoTron | mahjong isn't simple |
| 19:27:25 | NeoTron | I don't just want to make a port as an example but an original game |
| 19:29:28 | Harlekin | NeoTron: but majong is a freq ask app for opie |
| 19:29:31 | Harlekin | NeoTron: a free one |
| 19:31:52 | NeoTron | well, never said I wouldn't look at it at some point. :P |
| 19:32:13 | Harlekin | good idea |
| 19:33:57 | Twiun | evening folks |
| 19:38:19 | NeoTron | man, I need to make it possible to disable the music.. :P |
| 19:42:41 | Twiun | listens for that pin dropping... |
| 19:44:09 | tgall_pda | woo hoo! |
| 19:44:33 | NeoTron | tgall_pda: you won? :P |
| 19:44:43 | tgall_pda | <-- finally has a clean 2.4.18 kernel build for the Z |
| 19:44:47 | NeoTron | ah |
| 19:44:58 | tgall_pda | now to dump in the SD support, recompile and away we go |
| 19:48:50 | MEGASTeP | is back (gone 14:40:05) |
| 19:56:22 | whardier | an infra red repeater app would be nice |
| 19:58:29 | Twiun | planning on using the IR for intruder detection? |
| 19:59:51 | tgall_pda | gack! |
| 20:00:06 | tgall_pda | ok ... someone a while back posted an alpha driver for SD to the arm list... |
| 20:00:21 | tgall_pda | I've got the text of the message ... but it looks like the driver source was an attachment to the posting |
| 20:00:32 | tgall_pda | any idea how to get it out into the real tar file? |
| 20:00:44 | whardier | SOMEBODY IS TALKING TOO MUCH! |
| 20:00:49 | tgall_pda | it has Content-Type: application/octet-stream |
| 20:00:55 | tgall_pda | whardier: 8-b |
| 20:01:16 | tgall_pda | I thought uudecode knew how to deal with these things... |
| 20:02:33 | Twiun | Grrr SF's misbehaving again |
| 20:03:54 | Twiun | then again... why is it so (*£&$%£(*& slow??? |
| 20:04:52 | whardier | HAMSTER POWER |
| 20:05:09 | whardier | hehehe |
| 20:05:32 | NeoTron | tgall_pda: get a real mail reader? Like any mail reader... :P |
| 20:05:45 | bipolar | whardier: whats the hot secratary wearing? :) |
| 20:05:56 | NeoTron | last mail reader I had that didn't handle mime was RMAIL in emacs many years ago |
| 20:06:50 | tgall_pda | NeoTron: hmmm well you'd think Netscape would qualify as a real mail reader... sure alot better than lotus notes! |
| 20:07:05 | tgall_pda | the posting is from the arm archives tho.... |
| 20:07:25 | NeoTron | tgall_pda: so it's a web mail archive? |
| 20:07:32 | NeoTron | if so, it's of course a difference issue |
| 20:07:43 | Aelfweld | tgall_pda save the message as a file and use mail read -readfromfile |
| 20:07:46 | NeoTron | cut'n'paste the data and mime decode it |
| 20:08:29 | tgall_pda | hmmm I see I have a mimeencode .. but no mimedecode ... curious |
| 20:08:39 | ljp_ | soo.. when do the Zaurus groupies start showing up? |
| 20:08:44 | NeoTron | I can decode it for you |
| 20:08:49 | whardier | heh |
| 20:08:50 | NeoTron | if you point me to the URL |
| 20:08:56 | whardier | I ARE DECODEMON |
| 20:09:04 | tgall_pda | k just a second .... |
| 20:09:24 | NeoTron | you know, I feel like adding a japanese manual to Eligo translated using Babelfish |
| 20:09:40 | NeoTron | just to pay back for all the horribly translated Jap->Eng manuals and such. :-)) |
| 20:12:02 | ljp_ | Neo: ya! and all the Godzilla movies also! |
| 20:19:18 | NeoTron | ljp_: heh. :P |
| 20:20:29 | ljp_ | actually, I'm sure American movies look much the same when shown in Japan |
| 20:21:27 | NeoTron | kergoth: lo |
| 20:21:37 | kergoth | hey |
| 20:21:52 | kergoth | afk. a server went down |
| 20:22:02 | whardier | doh |
| 20:31:59 | tgall_pda | returns |
| 20:36:14 | tgall_pda | sweet... got the tarfile out... |
| 20:38:08 | trebb | heya, does anybody know why QCopEnvelope e("QPE/System","busy()"); doesn't give me a wait indicator? puzzled... |
| 20:39:20 | trebb | does QCop work at all? |
| 20:39:51 | trebb | Or is it just to late for me... :) |
| 20:40:49 | Benny19 | what is jonas luster doing? can I find him here? |
| 20:42:07 | Benny19 | on his homepage he told on the index-site: "You can find me on irc.openprojects.net as jluster and on #zaurus" |
| 20:42:22 | Benny19 | but he is never online, isn't he? |
| 20:43:20 | mark_ | Sugar: heard ljuster |
| 20:43:20 | Sugar | mark_: Sorry, I haven't heard ljuster |
| 20:44:21 | Benny19 | oh, nice ;-) |
| 20:46:17 | Benny19 | nobody know him? |
| 20:46:30 | scanline | is back (gone 01:46:20) |
| 20:47:33 | Benny19 | okay... |
| 20:47:35 | Benny19 | see you! |
| 20:59:28 | tgall_pda | woot 2.4.18+SD support ... ok ... now to test this little bundle of joy.... |
| 21:03:16 | NeoTron | woot |
| 21:03:20 | NeoTron | audio settings. :P |
| 21:06:37 | tgall_pda | o crap ... forgot about make modules.... |
| 21:15:44 | whardier | HIIBAJIIBA! |
| 21:20:21 | tgall_pda | hai-kiba! |
| 21:20:29 | tgall_pda | jim-kata! |
| 21:20:41 | whardier | hick kick! |
| 21:20:46 | whardier | err |
| 21:20:55 | whardier | DANCE BUDDY! |
| 21:27:48 | warmi_work | I assume both of you were among bete-winners today ... |
| 21:27:52 | warmi_work | heh |
| 21:30:36 | tgall_pda | not me ... I'm a kernel hacker ... my stuff isn't that interesting 8-) |
| 21:31:27 | warmi_work | so I assume you are familiar with asm , possibly arm asm ? |
| 21:35:40 | whardier | wee |
| 21:36:20 | tgall_pda | warmi_work: been learning it ... I'm from the ppc world |
| 21:36:33 | tgall_pda | arm is rather nice ... I like what I see thus far |
| 21:37:37 | warmi_work | are you using GASM or is there some other Linux cross-asm for Arm CPUs ? |
| 21:38:51 | tgall_pda | using the linux cross compilers on x86 at the moment |
| 21:39:03 | ljp_ | so, who's gonna play bookie for taking bets on the contests final outcome? :) |
| 21:39:09 | tgall_pda | have half a mind to build them all on ppc since I have some PPC boxes with some major chatpah |
| 21:39:51 | Aelfweld | salutations and greetings |
| 21:39:56 | ljp_ | hi |
| 21:40:08 | whardier | howdy |
| 21:42:35 | tgall_pda | kergoth: around? |
| 21:42:50 | bipolar_away | is away: I'm not here... Really.... |
| 21:43:13 | BigBoss | I'm sure that our two finalists will win :) |
| 21:44:20 | ljp_ | two? who was the other? |
| 21:44:40 | warmi_work | there is another finalist's entry: http://www.cs.unc.edu/~scheuerm/ |
| 21:44:47 | warmi_work | just found it |
| 21:45:43 | Lz8B | is there any frenchs here ? |
| 21:47:05 | ljp_ | Fastolfe is french |
| 21:47:33 | tgall_pda | I can talk with a fake french accent |
| 21:47:45 | NeoTron | BigBoss: don't be too cocky! :P |
| 21:49:18 | BigBoss | ljp: Catalin works for me, but he did the mod player on his own, but it makes me proud all the same :) |
| 21:49:27 | BigBoss | we will start selling it once he's done with it |
| 21:49:55 | ljp_ | ahh |
| 21:50:27 | BigBoss | http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero13/pentagone/erreurs_en.htm |
| 21:50:37 | Lz8B | who is bigboss ? |
| 21:50:42 | BigBoss | consipiricy site, you have to scroll to the right, but it makes an interesting point |
| 21:50:47 | BigBoss | President of theKompany.com |
| 21:50:52 | BigBoss | I'm slumming :) |
| 21:50:52 | Lz8B | okay |
| 21:51:40 | mark_ | warmi_work: just found it. great, I lov ethose games |
| 21:56:31 | Fastolfe | hmm |
| 21:57:20 | Fastolfe | ljp_: I'm not french |
| 22:04:09 | whardier | http://www.linuks.mine.nu/porn-get/apt-get-kiss.jpg |
| 22:04:30 | whardier | heh |
| 22:05:37 | Aelfweld | ah my microdrive just came |
| 22:07:06 | Fastolfe | whardier: do you know where I can find the source code for the opie-keyboard thing ? |
| 22:07:07 | BigBoss | i thought those got too hot for the Z? |
| 22:07:20 | Fastolfe | whardier: is it part of qpe ? |
| 22:07:53 | Aelfweld | oh I did not know that but iomega had the 1g for 183 I could not resist. I can always use it in my digicam/laptop |
| 22:09:10 | Aelfweld | damn they put the pc-card adapter in a heavy case |
| 22:10:48 | Aelfweld | so if I use it I am going to melt my Z? |
| 22:11:28 | warmi_work | hey, BigBoss , did you or your coworkers submitted anything for the contest ? |
| 22:13:12 | BigBoss | yep |
| 22:13:15 | BigBoss | about 8 items |
| 22:13:17 | BigBoss | 2 are finalists |
| 22:13:27 | BigBoss | I'm rather surprised that 1 or 2 more didn't make it |
| 22:13:33 | BigBoss | probably because we submitted so many |
| 22:14:01 | warmi_work | 2 ? what are they >? |
| 22:14:13 | roge99 | lo all |
| 22:14:31 | Fastolfe | BigBoss: aren't you guys partners of Trolltech ? |
| 22:14:41 | warmi_work | I mean, which of the beta apps are yours ? |
| 22:17:32 | BigBoss | warmi: mod player and tkcJabber |
| 22:17:43 | BigBoss | fastolfe: nothing official |
| 22:17:49 | BigBoss | we just do a lot of Qt applications |
| 22:17:52 | BigBoss | so they like us |
| 22:17:59 | BigBoss | we've done some consulting for them as well |
| 22:18:01 | Fastolfe | bb: oic |
| 22:18:11 | BigBoss | we're the ones that did the icons for Qtopia |
| 22:18:31 | BigBoss | we were contracted to do the PIM like a year ago and then they backed out of it - they should have let us do it :) |
| 22:18:45 | Fastolfe | bb: yeah, I was wondering cuz TT business partners + sharp + us lineo ... were not eligible to enter the contest |
| 22:18:48 | NeoTron | mark_: hello |
| 22:21:23 | Fastolfe | Damn I can't wait to see if I made it at this year's ioccc tho, now *that*'s prestigious :) |
| 22:21:35 | Fastolfe | but they don't give out big tvs |
| 22:21:49 | Cam | I don't watch TV |
| 22:21:53 | Fastolfe | lol |
| 22:21:59 | cmdrake|work | NeoTron: something I've noticed, if I hide SA, it tends to pop up when I close other apps |
| 22:21:59 | Fastolfe | there Cam, problem solved :) |
| 22:22:23 | Cam | :) |
| 22:23:25 | Fastolfe | Cam: I spent 10 yrs w/o TV, then I bough a Tivo and now I watch, cuz it's convenient to skip the ads. But when I move out of the US, no more TV |
| 22:23:55 | Cam | I'd like a tv recorder (dunno why) |
| 22:24:13 | Fastolfe | tv recorder ? like, say, a VCR :) |
| 22:24:14 | NeoTron | cmdrake|work: that is possible yes |
| 22:24:17 | Fastolfe | or a tivo :) |
| 22:24:25 | NeoTron | cmdrake|work: once I get my Z I will check on those things |
| 22:24:26 | Cam | one with random access would be good |
| 22:24:35 | NeoTron | hmm. It shouldn't pop up when hidden btw |
| 22:24:36 | Fastolfe | Cam: yeah, that's a tivo |
| 22:24:49 | ][N-Flux | is back (gone 07:43:07) |
| 22:24:50 | Cam | I like those terrapin things that record to a CD. No worries with content protection there |
| 22:24:52 | ][N-Flux | hey hey hey |
| 22:25:01 | warmi_work | BigBoss: I never used your apps but your icons design , I have to admit, is very good |
| 22:25:09 | Fastolfe | terrapin ? |
| 22:25:17 | Cam | hang a mo |
| 22:25:18 | mark_ | NeoTron: high. sorry. too busy. v sorry :) |
| 22:25:20 | cmdrake|work | NeoTron: should the load pack thing work? or only when I complete all the base levels? |
| 22:25:47 | warmi_work | BigBoss: I am surprized tkcmahjongg did not make it ( assuming it was submited) |
| 22:25:49 | NeoTron | cmdrake|work: is should work if the extra levels are install, at any time |
| 22:25:53 | Cam | http://www.omegamultimedia.com/products/terapin/ |
| 22:25:54 | Fastolfe | brb |
| 22:25:57 | Fastolfe | k thanks |
| 22:26:20 | treke | NeoTron : should anything noticable hapen when you push the button? |
| 22:26:21 | NeoTron | it does require the pack to be installed in the same location as the game though |
| 22:26:33 | NeoTron | treke: yes |
| 22:26:42 | NeoTron | first name says Strategic Assault |
| 22:26:44 | cmdrake|work | NeoTron: i installed it through the qipkg |
| 22:26:50 | NeoTron | press load mission pack and it should switch to Forest Fire |
| 22:27:10 | treke | same here. I didnt notice anything happen when I clicked it |
| 22:27:32 | NeoTron | hmm. Well, I'll investigate that too then |
| 22:27:36 | NeoTron | don't worry, I'll be fixed. :P |
| 22:28:14 | treke | isnt too worried. I'm not making much progress in the first missions :) |
| 22:28:27 | cmdrake|work | NeoTron: you'll be fixed? |
| 22:28:38 | warmi_work | lol, |
| 22:28:42 | NeoTron | cmdrake| *rotfl* |
| 22:28:43 | NeoTron | hehe |
| 22:28:49 | NeoTron | yes, I will! |
| 22:29:02 | NeoTron | for verificaton |
| 22:29:16 | NeoTron | do you have a directory /opt/QtPalmtop/pics/sa/ForestFire/ |
| 22:29:31 | NeoTron | ? |
| 22:29:43 | NeoTron | or whatever the prefix |
| 22:29:43 | NeoTron | is |
| 22:30:34 | cmdrake|work | yes |
| 22:30:43 | NeoTron | hmm |
| 22:32:36 | NeoTron | I can make a binary with some debug if you wish |
| 22:32:48 | NeoTron | like right now |
| 22:34:20 | cmdrake|work | no hurry for me, I can't install an update right now (no cf reader at work, no cradle either) |
| 22:34:25 | BigBoss | hi max |
| 22:34:26 | NeoTron | k |
| 22:34:29 | NeoTron | treke? |
| 22:34:47 | msdina | bb: hi here |
| 22:36:06 | cmdrake|work | NeoTron: I can test tonight... send me email if you want |
| 22:36:13 | sieve | is back (gone 04:24:32) |
| 22:37:41 | ljp_ | zzzzzz.... |
| 22:37:51 | whardier | QUIT TALKING! |
| 22:38:02 | ljp_ | oh are we all studying? |
| 22:38:23 | whardier | haha |
| 22:38:26 | whardier | screw that shit |
| 22:38:30 | whardier | studies the receptionist |
| 22:38:34 | whardier | she reminds me of Tank Girl |
| 22:38:44 | ljp_ | dude- you been checkin her out for a while... |
| 22:38:51 | whardier | yeah.. I know |
| 22:38:54 | whardier | but I am not Tank Guy |
| 22:38:57 | sieve | mmmmmmmmmmmm.. tank girl |
| 22:39:00 | whardier | hehe |
| 22:39:06 | ljp_ | tank girl? |
| 22:39:17 | whardier | space age comic book |
| 22:39:23 | whardier | /movie |
| 22:39:30 | ljp_ | she looks like a comic? |
| 22:39:36 | whardier | yeah |
| 22:39:41 | codemnky | yo |
| 22:39:43 | sieve | yummy |
| 22:39:45 | whardier | codemnky ! |
| 22:39:49 | codemnky | what up |
| 22:39:51 | whardier | I keep thinking codeminky |
| 22:39:58 | Cam | uhhh forget tank girl - gimme the chick from 5th element |
| 22:40:01 | ljp_ | good thing she doesn't remind of of Scooby doo |
| 22:40:03 | whardier | Cam Milla! |
| 22:40:08 | whardier | grooowl |
| 22:40:11 | Cam | uhh |
| 22:40:20 | sieve | Milla Jovovitch |
| 22:40:25 | whardier | hehe |
| 22:40:27 | Cam | bandage-tastic |
| 22:40:28 | sieve | very nifty |
| 22:40:34 | Cam | bandage bondage |
| 22:41:08 | codemnky | besides tape backups system which i have, what else is out there? |
| 22:41:11 | whardier | I got to bother the receptionist for an unbridled 30 seconds of lustfull conversation about.. journalism |
| 22:41:13 | codemnky | any one recommened anything |
| 22:41:22 | whardier | amanda |
| 22:41:26 | codemnky | i use amanda |
| 22:41:29 | codemnky | i mean the media |
| 22:41:34 | whardier | DLT |
| 22:41:34 | whardier | ! |
| 22:41:37 | codemnky | i hate these damn atpes |
| 22:41:43 | whardier | onstream |
| 22:41:48 | whardier | I really reccomend onstream |
| 22:42:03 | whardier | they are a fuckload less expensive than most other ones |
| 22:42:05 | codemnky | have a link? |
| 22:42:08 | whardier | onstream.com |
| 22:42:13 | codemnky | checking it out, thanks |
| 22:42:24 | whardier | oops |
| 22:42:34 | whardier | http://www.onstream.com/index.asp |
| 22:42:35 | whardier | jaja |
| 22:42:37 | whardier | err |
| 22:42:37 | whardier | ha |
| 22:42:37 | whardier | ha |
| 22:42:57 | codemnky | someone needs to help them conf their webserver |
| 22:43:02 | whardier | no shit |
| 22:43:20 | whardier | its kinda bad for people to visit onstream.com and look for backup devices.. but find "File not Found" |
| 22:43:21 | whardier | hahaha |
| 22:44:26 | Cam | I mourn the day a tape robot made the shoebox of DATs obsolete |
| 22:44:53 | NetAmp | Any Windows XP users here? |
| 22:44:59 | NetAmp | *lol* |
| 22:44:59 | whardier | ewwww |
| 22:45:15 | whardier | NetAmp try #wimfiles.com |
| 22:45:26 | NetAmp | There's another IE6 security leak, haha |
| 22:45:37 | whardier | how bad? |
| 22:45:43 | NetAmp | wimfiles? |
| 22:45:54 | codemnky | brb |
| 22:45:59 | NetAmp | well.... I'm not sure how bed.... right now it just runs `logoff.exe` |
| 22:46:07 | codemnky | looks good, thx wardier |
| 22:46:12 | NetAmp | but I suppose it could be easily changed. |
| 22:46:16 | whardier | man |
| 22:46:19 | whardier | I swear |
| 22:46:20 | NetAmp | Ah well I'll install Opera :D |
| 22:46:29 | whardier | opera beta 6 is smooth |
| 22:46:33 | NetAmp | ;-) |
| 22:46:53 | whardier | it would be a little faster if my machine was not so whacked |
| 22:46:55 | whardier | [-(Tue 2002-03-05 6:12:53)-(~/)-]> uptime (hardwire @ segfault) |
| 22:46:56 | whardier | 15:49:10 up 7:32, 10 users, load average: 3.77, 3.35, 2.05 |
| 22:47:11 | whardier | <- giving rsync a workout |
| 22:48:09 | NeoTron | wait a second |
| 22:48:28 | NetAmp | whardier> almost a full working dat of uptime ;-) |
| 22:48:35 | NetAmp | working daY |
| 22:48:44 | NetAmp | (or s/dat/day) |
| 22:48:55 | NeoTron | cmdrake|work: hey, I believe I just fixed so that Forest Fire loading does work. At least the changes needed aren't checked into CVS |
| 22:49:16 | NeoTron | if you want try to rename ForestFire to Forest Fire and see if that works |
| 22:49:24 | NeoTron | it might not be the error, but. :P |
| 22:49:26 | mark_ | does anyone know how accurate QTimer gets on embedix? |
| 22:49:36 | NeoTron | 20 ms or so perhaps? |
| 22:49:45 | NeoTron | depends on how it's implemented though |
| 22:50:55 | mark_ | NeoTron: it gets to about 20ms on a non RTOS. shouldnt it be much better on embedixz? |
| 22:51:33 | NeoTron | depends I guess |
| 22:51:35 | NeoTron | no idea |
| 22:51:39 | mark_ | heh |
| 22:51:50 | ljp_ | ask FAstolfe: he knows everything! |
| 22:52:15 | NeoTron | it's too bad the graphics in SA isn' |
| 22:52:18 | mark_ | NeoTron oh well, i'll try it. my metronome is gonna rock for the final entry :) |
| 22:52:22 | NeoTron | isn't truecolor |
| 22:53:18 | ljp_ | someone should come up with a benchmarking app for the Z |
| 22:54:00 | ljp_ | quick- everybody- start typing! |
| 22:54:04 | Harlekin | hehe |
| 22:54:12 | FastolfeTelnetStud | benchmarking sounds good |
| 22:54:16 | Harlekin | is it so rare that a lineo guy joins? |
| 22:54:23 | ljp_ | no |
| 22:54:29 | FastolfeTelnetStud | gets cracking |
| 22:54:37 | mark_ | FastolfeTelnetStud: any idea about the real time thing with QTimer? |
| 22:54:43 | ljp_ | we want timing accuracy |
| 22:54:55 | FastolfeTelnetStud | what was the question ? |
| 22:55:02 | mark_ | how accurate it will g et |
| 22:55:13 | mark_ | on embedix |
| 22:55:30 | FastolfeTelnetStud | if you want accuracy, don't use a qte function, use gettimeofday |
| 22:55:48 | FastolfeTelnetStud | embedix kernel time accuracy == standard kernel |
| 22:56:00 | mark_ | i was told you had rtos extentions |
| 22:56:11 | FastolfeTelnetStud | We didn't put the RTAI patches on the Z, cuz it makes no sense |
| 22:56:19 | whardier | eh? |
| 22:56:33 | whardier | rtai |
| 22:56:57 | whardier | rtai tais |
| 22:57:04 | whardier | man I ma a stud |
| 22:57:06 | whardier | believe it or not |
| 22:57:07 | whardier | hahaha |
| 22:57:08 | FastolfeTelnetStud | yeah, Lineo RT capabilities == RTAI + some stuffs from us |
| 22:57:09 | tux_mike | oui. |
| 22:57:11 | tux_mike | falls over |
| 22:57:26 | mark_ | FastolfeTelnetStud: palm have a RTOS. w hy shouldnt the Z? |
| 22:57:31 | whardier | no kidding |
| 22:57:45 | whardier | I still have not really managed to see how much RTOS would offer me |
| 22:58:03 | whardier | anybody wanna play some bzflag? |
| 22:58:14 | BZFlag | whardier: ;-) |
| 22:58:30 | mark_ | gtg, c ya all |
| 22:58:32 | BZFlag | whardier: try the new 1.8 cvs version out for fun. xml driven interface. ;) |
| 22:58:53 | whardier | FastolfeTelnetStud hahaha |
| 22:59:03 | ][N-Flux | is away: out |
| 22:59:15 | ljp_ | ya.. that's his telnet irc experiment |
| 22:59:18 | Harlekin | BZFlag: on qpe? |
| 22:59:30 | BZFlag | Harlekin: no, on x/glx on a pc. |
| 22:59:34 | Harlekin | aouch |
| 22:59:52 | BZFlag | Harlekin: the ipaq version (x) of 1.7 get's like 6 fps. not playable. |
| 23:00:13 | BZFlag | someone should port doom though. it's plenty fast. |
| 23:00:15 | Harlekin | hmm |
| 23:00:19 | FastolfeTelnetStud | tgall_pda: I'm sorry to ask you this, but I'm having trouble with private messages right now :) |
| 23:00:47 | tgall_pda | naw that's ok |
| 23:01:00 | tgall_pda | doesn't have to be private 8-) |
| 23:01:13 | BZFlag | FastolfeTelnetStud: ;-) |
| 23:01:16 | FastolfeTelnetStud | yeah I'd rather |
| 23:01:26 | FastolfeTelnetStud | stay here |
| 23:01:28 | whardier | prboom ona dreamcast sucks ass BTW |
| 23:01:39 | BZFlag | whardier: why? |
| 23:01:39 | FastolfeTelnetStud | cuz too much traffic for me to read |
| 23:01:43 | whardier | its sLOOOOW |
| 23:02:08 | BZFlag | hmm.. I wonder why. there should be plenty of power there. |
| 23:02:19 | whardier | its damn slow |
| 23:02:24 | FastolfeTelnetStud | bzflag: I don't cope too well with CTCP requests either man :) |
| 23:02:36 | tgall_pda | heh |
| 23:02:44 | BZFlag | someone (tm) should port BZFlag onto the dreamcast. ;-) |
| 23:02:50 | whardier | naw |
| 23:02:51 | whardier | PS2! |
| 23:02:52 | BZFlag | FastolfeTelnetStud: heh, I guessed as much. |
| 23:02:54 | whardier | does it use SDL? |
| 23:02:59 | whardier | err nevermind |
| 23:03:06 | BZFlag | not at present no. straight gl |
| 23:03:08 | whardier | glx :) |
| 23:03:27 | whardier | I wanna get a ps2 linux kit bad |
| 23:03:31 | whardier | so I can use the SDL stuff |
| 23:03:32 | whardier | hahaha |
| 23:03:37 | whardier | for the Playstation 2 |
| 23:03:40 | FastolfeTelnetStud | oops |
| 23:03:46 | kergoth | i should pick up a console system. |
| 23:03:59 | kergoth | re all |
| 23:04:05 | kergoth | what a long fucking day |
| 23:04:09 | whardier | I own a used and broken PS1 and a PS2 |
| 23:04:11 | whardier | thats about it |
| 23:04:25 | kergoth | iim pondering pickin up a gamecube |
| 23:04:30 | kergoth | one of these days |
| 23:04:34 | whardier | hehe |
| 23:04:38 | whardier | watch me disconnect FastolfeTelnetStud |
| 23:04:41 | FastolfeTelnetStud | COME ON MAN ! |
| 23:05:05 | whardier | I should be kicked off OPN for that |
| 23:05:06 | BZFlag | wishes someone would get linux up on the xbox. |
| 23:05:17 | kergoth | yeah |
| 23:05:23 | BZFlag | whardier: what are you trying? |
| 23:05:23 | whardier | haha |
| 23:05:25 | whardier | hahaha |
| 23:05:26 | kergoth | id pick up an xbox if the controllers didnt blow |
| 23:05:29 | whardier | that would be the ultimate neat |
| 23:05:31 | whardier | I might even buy one then |
| 23:05:35 | whardier | hahaha |
| 23:05:39 | whardier | BZFlag: to know FastolfeTelnetStud off? |
| 23:05:47 | BZFlag | yeah |
| 23:05:52 | whardier | trying to interrupt him from replying to ping |
| 23:06:01 | BZFlag | ah |
| 23:06:19 | FastolfeTelnetStud | considers a CTCP flood on whardier ... |
| 23:06:24 | whardier | hahaha |
| 23:09:03 | hardwire | hahaha |
| 23:09:05 | hardwire | oops |
| 23:09:28 | hardwire | that killed me too |
| 23:09:41 | hardwire | don't shoot! |
| 23:09:45 | Aelfweld | wb sir doing it the hardway |
| 23:09:45 | FastolfeTelnetStud | dammit man |
| 23:09:49 | hardwire | HAHAHA |
| 23:10:11 | FastolfeTelnetStud | retaliates ... |
| 23:10:26 | hardwire | YOU AINT GOT NOTHIN! |
| 23:10:37 | hardwire | GIMME YOUR BEST SHOT! |
| 23:11:08 | hardwire | enables DRI |
| 23:11:09 | hardwire | hahaha |
| 23:11:10 | hardwire | damnit |
| 23:11:14 | hardwire | that explains the "slowness" |
| 23:11:56 | hardwire | WHO WANTS TO SEE FastolfeTelnetStud DIE AGAIN! |
| 23:12:08 | hardwire | just because I wanna get him before he gets me! |
| 23:12:19 | Harlekin | which bzflag server? |
| 23:12:58 | hardwire | augh |
| 23:13:02 | hardwire | I have Velvet Acid Christ |
| 23:13:05 | hardwire | and I did not even know it! |
| 23:13:30 | hardwire | gets a little paranoid |
| 23:13:37 | hardwire | suuure haven't heard from FastolfeTelnetStud for a while |
| 23:14:02 | hardwire | slips |
| 23:14:05 | hardwire | /mode hardwiree -z |
| 23:14:12 | hardwire | err yeah |
| 23:17:09 | hardwire | BBL FOWLKS |
| 23:18:41 | FastolfeTelnetStud | wtf is CGI:IRC ? |
| 23:19:13 | NeoTron | some CGI IRC client? |
| 23:20:11 | FastolfeTelnetStud | ooeh thing ? hmm |
| 23:20:19 | FastolfeTelnetStud | oops |
| 23:20:32 | FastolfeTelnetStud | nevermind |
| 23:21:52 | BZFlag | Harlekin: huh? |
| 23:22:05 | Harlekin | ? |
| 23:22:08 | Harlekin | wanted to play to |
| 23:22:18 | Harlekin | but bzflag is unplayable here |
| 23:22:34 | BZFlag | just use "find" to find a populated server from inside the game. |
| 23:23:27 | Harlekin | BZFlag: i though hardwire was playing bzflag, and not ping to death |
| 23:24:07 | NeoTron | makes makedist scripts |
| 23:24:16 | NeoTron | so that I don't mess up |
| 23:28:40 | NeoTron | think I'm ready for e new SA beta... |
| 23:30:51 | Harlekin | NeoTron: hehe, fixed what? |
| 23:32:40 | NeoTron | += better sound playback, music plus some minor changes |
| 23:59:11 | scribeMob | any of you guys know how to get a font recognized in qpe? I moved it to /usr/lib/fonts and added an entry to fontdir file |
| 23:59:15 | scribeMob | still nothing. |
| 23:59:53 | tux_mike | scribeMob: is it a qpf font? |
