| 00:04:33 | tux_mike | gah. time to build modules |
| 00:06:27 | ljp | ok, ok, go ahead and plug it in.. |
| 00:06:29 | whardier | hiiiiiiiiii |
| 00:06:34 | whardier | ya |
| 00:07:18 | Fastolfe | ______ |
| 00:07:21 | Fastolfe | _____ ____/ / _ | _ / |
| 00:07:24 | whardier | _ |
| 00:07:25 | Fastolfe | ___ / / / / / / |
| 00:07:28 | whardier | _- |
| 00:07:32 | Fastolfe | __ / / / / / / |
| 00:07:35 | Fastolfe | _/ _/ _____/ ____/ |
| 00:07:41 | Fastolfe | FIDO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 00:07:42 | whardier | __ |
| 00:07:48 | Aelf-Bills | lol |
| 00:08:23 | Fastolfe | excuses himself as he needs to get dressed to go preach Fidonet in the street now |
| 00:08:33 | whardier | heh |
| 00:08:36 | ljp | fidonet? |
| 00:08:54 | tux_mike | bah. just drink some boose |
| 00:09:09 | whardier | boooooooooooooooooooosssssssssssssseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 00:09:14 | whardier | boose |
| 00:09:20 | whardier | goose |
| 00:11:05 | ljp | loose |
| 00:12:53 | Fastolfe | ______ |
| 00:12:53 | Fastolfe | _____ ____/ / _ | _ / |
| 00:12:54 | Fastolfe | ____ / / / / / / |
| 00:12:56 | Fastolfe | ___ ___/ / / / / / |
| 00:14:03 | Fastolfe | crap |
| 00:14:40 | ljp | flap |
| 00:15:05 | tux_mike | you just can't do your fido crap. i don't think the net like's it :) |
| 00:15:35 | Fastolfe | well, I clicked on the wrong button acvtually :) |
| 00:15:42 | tux_mike | lol :) |
| 00:15:50 | ljp | http://draknor.net/ipaq/sysinfo.html |
| 00:15:53 | tux_mike | why do you have buttons on your irc client |
| 00:16:26 | Fastolfe | Because it's a cheapass innurnet devilish program, instead of a good Fido reader |
| 00:16:32 | Fastolfe | it's xchat |
| 00:18:03 | tux_mike | xchat xshmat. command line irc is the only way! :P |
| 00:18:21 | Fastolfe | yeah but I'm multimediocre |
| 00:18:27 | Aelf-Bills | come on just telnet and do raw irc by hand |
| 00:18:39 | Fastolfe | Aelf-Bills: ah, that's a good idea |
| 00:19:22 | Fastolfe | hmm |
| 00:19:27 | Fastolfe | funny telnet can't connect |
| 00:19:30 | Aelf-Bills | I'll try not to let it happen again ;) |
| 00:19:42 | Aelf-Bills | did you specify the port? |
| 00:19:47 | Fastolfe | err. duh :) |
| 00:20:00 | em1ssnuke | Fast_: thanks ... used your Makefile for vnc to get my base system setup for the tool chain ... |
| 00:20:31 | Fastolfe | em1ssnuke: how did my Makefile help you at all ? it justs calls arm-linux-whatever :) |
| 00:20:45 | em1ssnuke | yea .. just need an idea ... |
| 00:20:46 | Aelf-Bills | so does tt make the qpe stuff such a pain in the ass to encourage people to by the sdk bundle that works? |
| 00:20:52 | em1ssnuke | needed |
| 00:21:15 | em1ssnuke | later |
| 00:34:18 | tux_mike | you logged into irc via telnet? |
| 00:34:43 | whardier | heh |
| 00:34:54 | whardier | somebodycan type pingfast |
| 00:35:03 | Fastolfe | crap |
| 00:35:06 | Fastolfe | yeah but ... |
| 00:35:24 | FastolfeTelnetStud | hmm |
| 00:35:35 | FastolfeTelnetStud | it's |
| 00:35:51 | FastolfeTelnetStud | it's a pain in the butt :)) |
| 00:36:22 | FastolfeTelnetStud | and I think I missed a ping, so I'll be kicked out soon mething |
| 00:37:28 | FastolfeTelnetStud | PONG |
| 00:37:29 | whardier | hehehe |
| 00:37:41 | Fastolfe | crap I can't keep up |
| 00:37:46 | whardier | hahaha |
| 00:37:59 | FastolfeTelnetStud | PONG 10152002137 |
| 00:38:05 | FastolfeTelnetStud | shit |
| 00:38:39 | FastolfeTelnetStud | ljp!~ljp@tb0130.peakpeak.com JOIN :#zaurus |
| 00:38:47 | FastolfeTelnetStud | arrrgh |
| 00:39:02 | whardier | hahaha |
| 00:39:24 | Aelf-Bills | lol fast |
| 00:39:31 | Aelf-Bills | oops missed him |
| 00:39:47 | FastolfeTelnetStud | dammit |
| 00:40:01 | Aelf-Bills | lol |
| 00:40:38 | FastolfeTelnetStud | ah! at least the server isn't pinging the shit out of me anymore |
| 00:41:48 | tgall_pda | FastolfeTelnetStud: you a ppc guy? |
| 00:42:07 | FastolfeTelnetStud | what do you mean ? |
| 00:42:24 | FastolfeTelnetStud | power pc ? |
| 00:42:24 | tgall_pda | just lookin at your id ... ppc |
| 00:42:27 | tgall_pda | yeah |
| 00:42:50 | FastolfeTelnetStud | my initials. I coun't think of anything better before pinging out :) |
| 00:43:00 | whardier | how did you tell the server to shut up? |
| 00:43:33 | FastolfeTelnetStud | looks like I mistyped commands earlier. Now if I keep talking, it doesn't ping me |
| 00:43:39 | tgall_pda | heh |
| 00:43:54 | whardier | hahahahaha |
| 00:44:08 | FastolfeTelnetStud | PONG 10586745168 |
| 00:44:16 | FastolfeTelnetStud | nevermind |
| 00:44:36 | FastolfeTelnetStud | I'm not doing this right |
| 00:44:40 | Aelf-Bills | hehe |
| 00:44:46 | Aelf-Bills | its not the easiest thing to do |
| 00:44:48 | FastolfeTelnetStud | but I should be able to type ... |
| 00:44:55 | FastolfeTelnetStud | ///// |
| 00:45:10 | FastolfeTelnetStud | hehe, just *you* guys try to do that |
| 00:45:21 | Aelf-Bills | on mirc its contol enter |
| 00:45:28 | Aelf-Bills | ////// |
| 00:45:33 | Aelf-Bills | there ;) |
| 00:45:39 | FastolfeTelnetStud | bzzzt, |
| 00:45:42 | Aelf-Bills | ///// |
| 00:45:47 | Aelf-Bills | ah ha |
| 00:45:52 | Aelf-Bills | shift enter on xchat |
| 00:45:56 | FastolfeTelnetStud | dammit ael, you party pooper |
| 00:46:20 | Aelf-Bills | ponders sending all kinds of ctcp to FastolfeTelnetStud |
| 00:46:29 | FastolfeTelnetStud | oh yeah, and it doesn't expand nicks either :) |
| 00:46:37 | Aelf-Bills | nope |
| 00:46:56 | FastolfeTelnetStud | privmsg #zaurus :ael: Don't you dare ! |
| 00:47:02 | FastolfeTelnetStud | shit |
| 00:47:07 | Aelf-Bills | hehe not quite |
| 00:48:37 | FastolfeTelnetStud | This is fun, in a sort of suicidal tendancies way |
| 00:48:57 | Aelf-Bills | hehe |
| 00:49:04 | Aelf-Bills | its certainly and experience |
| 00:49:19 | Aelf-Bills | when you get tired of that you can always surf via telnet ;) |
| 00:49:33 | FastolfeTelnetStud | well, I coded a bot long ago, but i never tried to do it by hand |
| 00:50:03 | Aelf-Bills | I am impressed you have lasted this long o) |
| 00:50:13 | FastolfeTelnetStud | so am I :) |
| 00:50:24 | Aelf-Bills | you must only be in one channel |
| 00:50:27 | NeoTron | yo |
| 00:50:29 | FastolfeTelnetStud | /me == extreme stuf |
| 00:50:39 | FastolfeTelnetStud | damn |
| 00:50:40 | Aelf-Bills | to hard to grok otherwise |
| 00:50:45 | Aelf-Bills | its describe I think not me |
| 00:51:09 | FastolfeTelnetStud | yeah lemme find out (digging out the rfc :) |
| 00:51:16 | Aelf-Bills | hehe |
| 00:52:33 | FastolfeTelnetStud | does it work now ? |
| 00:52:41 | FastolfeTelnetStud | fuck |
| 00:52:56 | Aelf-Bills | hehe |
| 00:54:52 | FastolfeTelnetStud | hmm ? |
| 00:55:00 | FastolfeTelnetStud | I give up |
| 00:55:13 | Aelf-Bills | action #zaurus foo? |
| 00:55:36 | Aelf-Bills | is guessing with no reason of course |
| 01:02:44 | FastolfeTelnetStud | Am |
| 01:02:51 | Fastolfe | arrg |
| 01:03:28 | Aelf-Bills | turn on snoop and send from xchat ;) |
| 01:03:52 | Fastolfe | nnaw, I wanna do it the hard way (why else would I use telnet eh ? :) |
| 01:03:54 | NeoTron | sugar heard mark_ |
| 01:03:54 | Sugar | is away: I'm busy |
| 01:04:03 | Fastolfe | I think it's a ctcp |
| 01:04:23 | Aelf-Bills | hmm wierd |
| 01:04:55 | NeoTron | I believe blitting pixmaps with alpha-channels is too slow... |
| 01:10:52 | whardier | is one sexy bitch |
| 01:11:51 | ljp | something is very weird about tonight |
| 01:12:32 | FastolfeTelnetStud | action |
| 01:12:36 | Fastolfe | dammit |
| 01:12:41 | whardier | heh |
| 01:12:50 | ljp | what the heck are you trying to do there? |
| 01:12:55 | whardier | #zaurus jumps |
| 01:13:17 | FastolfeTelnetStud | let's try that again ... |
| 01:13:34 | FastolfeTelnetStud | is gorgeous |
| 01:13:38 | Fastolfe | AHH! |
| 01:13:45 | whardier | what was the syntax? |
| 01:13:51 | FastolfeTelnetStud | bitchy command |
| 01:13:55 | Fastolfe | it's |
| 01:14:00 | whardier | it's? |
| 01:14:11 | whardier | did you have to reply to a ping? |
| 01:14:13 | whardier | hehe |
| 01:14:14 | Fastolfe | <phrase><CTRL-A> |
| 01:14:18 | Fastolfe | it's a ctcp command |
| 01:14:32 | whardier | irc. where being idle means being on your toes |
| 01:14:56 | FastolfeTelnetStud | hell yeah |
| 01:15:04 | FastolfeTelnetStud | now what ? |
| 01:15:05 | Aelf-Bills | lol you got it |
| 01:15:26 | Aelf-Bills | that ;) |
| 01:15:33 | FastolfeTelnetStud | I mean, who needs an irc client ? |
| 01:15:45 | whardier | BitchX |
| 01:15:47 | Aelf-Bills | just ctcp versioned fast (well reply that) |
| 01:16:02 | FastolfeTelnetStud | bitchslaps Fastolfe |
| 01:16:34 | FastolfeTelnetStud | I'm a human being, not bot goddamyou |
| 01:16:51 | Aelf-Bills | lol |
| 01:17:21 | whardier | hi |
| 01:17:36 | FastolfeTelnetStud | |
| 01:18:08 | whardier | AHHA |
| 01:18:19 | whardier | MOD_USERTRACK RULES! |
| 01:18:39 | FastolfeTelnetStud | whatzat ? |
| 01:18:53 | whardier | w3m http://vash.umgllc.net/php.php -cookie -dump | grep cookie -i |
| 01:18:54 | whardier | do that |
| 01:19:12 | whardier | I have enabled 2 week tracking cookies |
| 01:19:44 | FastolfeTelnetStud | lol |
| 01:19:48 | whardier | heh |
| 01:20:11 | whardier | basically I got a job to track cookies for legal purposes |
| 01:20:17 | whardier | kisses usertrack |
| 01:20:27 | FastolfeTelnetStud | that's a good job |
| 01:20:38 | whardier | well.. its asmall contract |
| 01:20:41 | whardier | but itwillpaymybills |
| 01:21:00 | whardier | now if I could only remember how to add the cookie ID to the weblogs |
| 01:21:13 | FastolfeTelnetStud | beats the crap outta me |
| 01:21:45 | FastolfeTelnetStud | hey guys, how does this char appear here ? --> |
| 01:21:56 | cmdrake_ | reverse cap a |
| 01:22:02 | FastolfeTelnetStud | oic |
| 01:22:15 | FastolfeTelnetStud | bell bell bell |
| 01:22:22 | Aelf-Bills | to me a diamond |
| 01:22:25 | Aelf-Bills | and yes I got the bell |
| 01:22:32 | FastolfeTelnetStud | yeah, looks like a diamond to me too |
| 01:22:38 | Aelf-Bills | xchat |
| 01:22:39 | FastolfeTelnetStud | must be xchat |
| 01:22:46 | Aelf-Bills | well the font its using |
| 01:23:01 | FastolfeTelnetStud | I'm afraid to go take a piss and miss a ping :) |
| 01:23:28 | FastolfeTelnetStud | what the hell, I'm going to explode otherwise |
| 01:27:51 | FastolfeTelnetStud | PONG |
| 01:28:01 | Fastolfe | damn |
| 01:29:06 | FastolfeTelnetStud | hmm |
| 01:29:41 | bipolar_away | is away: I'm not here... Really.... |
| 01:30:25 | Fastolfe | privmsg #zaurus :I'm a lousy irc client |
| 01:30:30 | Fastolfe | fuck wrong window |
| 01:34:42 | Aelf-Bills | lol |
| 01:35:04 | whardier | I own your cookie |
| 01:35:57 | ljp | you mean my animal cracker... |
| 01:37:22 | Fastolfe | holy crap ! |
| 01:37:24 | Fastolfe | whardier ? |
| 01:37:36 | Fastolfe | hmm nevermind |
| 01:45:06 | Fastolfe | Cool! I found a bug in the vending machine :) |
| 01:45:11 | Fastolfe | hmm free cookies |
| 01:46:18 | whardier | I give free cookies |
| 01:46:25 | Fastolfe | whardier: lol |
| 01:46:27 | whardier | http://vash.umgllc.net |
| 01:46:43 | ][N-Flux | burp |
| 01:47:06 | whardier | ooh thanks |
| 01:47:14 | whardier | now has millions of suckers testing mod_usertrack for him |
| 01:47:17 | whardier | 24.128.151.195.257711015206569996 |
| 01:47:26 | Fastolfe | rips off the vending machine |
| 01:47:45 | Fastolfe | the stupid thing emptied it's stash of quarters lol |
| 01:47:52 | Fastolfe | is rich and has the cookies |
| 01:48:33 | whardier | HAHAHA |
| 01:48:56 | Fastolfe | man, there's like 20 bucks of quarters in there :) |
| 01:49:03 | whardier | HAHAHAHA |
| 01:49:11 | whardier | do tell do tell! |
| 01:49:36 | Fastolfe | well, I dunno if it works with all machines, but I put 99 nickels in it and it overflowed |
| 01:50:01 | whardier | ][N-Flux you turd |
| 01:50:02 | Fastolfe | dumped all it's quarters |
| 01:50:08 | ][N-Flux | huh? |
| 01:50:15 | whardier | your going thru all my stuff :) |
| 01:50:26 | ][N-Flux | just poking |
| 01:50:31 | ][N-Flux | you pasted it |
| 01:50:40 | whardier | hahaha |
| 01:50:48 | ][N-Flux | www.wombatnipplechips.com <----go nuts |
| 01:51:04 | ][N-Flux | like the mp3 pile |
| 01:51:13 | whardier | who has a tattoo of judge dredd? |
| 01:51:17 | ][N-Flux | me |
| 01:51:24 | whardier | hahaha |
| 01:51:28 | ][N-Flux | and judge death |
| 01:51:38 | ][N-Flux | and a bondage fairy |
| 01:51:42 | ][N-Flux | and that's about it |
| 01:51:58 | whardier | can talk like brak |
| 01:52:12 | ][N-Flux | brak rocks |
| 01:52:14 | whardier | dude |
| 01:52:20 | whardier | you would make a sweet elf! |
| 01:52:28 | ][N-Flux | thanks |
| 01:52:32 | whardier | hahaha |
| 01:52:41 | whardier | like |
| 01:52:42 | ][N-Flux | someone called me Zangief the otherday |
| 01:52:44 | whardier | the elfes muscle |
| 01:52:46 | whardier | hahahaha |
| 01:53:17 | ljp | rifles through wardiers mp3's |
| 01:53:46 | tgall_pda | better zangief than chung lee ;-) |
| 01:54:07 | whardier | hahaha |
| 01:54:16 | whardier | I get called Ken |
| 01:54:30 | whardier | and Donetello |
| 01:54:34 | ][N-Flux | we should get all the look-a-likes together for a shot :) |
| 01:54:43 | whardier | damnit |
| 01:54:44 | ][N-Flux | I've also been called Blanka |
| 01:54:44 | whardier | so true |
| 01:54:48 | whardier | I like group shots |
| 01:54:56 | whardier | or atleast group collections |
| 01:54:56 | ][N-Flux | I like money shots |
| 01:54:59 | whardier | haha |
| 01:54:59 | ][N-Flux | Bwhahahahahahaha |
| 01:55:01 | tgall_pda | heh |
| 01:55:08 | whardier | I like killing for money! |
| 01:55:11 | tgall_pda | something for OLS |
| 01:55:11 | whardier | hahahaha |
| 01:55:17 | whardier | OLS |
| 01:55:47 | whardier | hamster dance |
| 01:55:48 | whardier | damnit |
| 01:55:50 | whardier | you suck |
| 01:55:51 | whardier | Damnit |
| 01:56:19 | ljp | notices wardiers healthy bandwidth |
| 01:56:23 | whardier | damnit |
| 01:56:38 | whardier | I have a 500KB/s link to an OC3 |
| 01:56:43 | whardier | don't take it all |
| 01:56:45 | tgall_pda | whardier: you suck! |
| 01:56:58 | whardier | its what happens when you set up wireless networks |
| 01:57:07 | Fastolfe | whardier: check your access.log |
| 01:57:09 | ][N-Flux | ew, nickelback |
| 01:57:24 | tgall_pda | well I'm wireless too ... least down to the basement where my DSL is 8-) |
| 01:57:26 | ljp | heh- ya like my puny dsl is going to suck dry an oc3 |
| 01:57:26 | whardier | yeah I have been watching it |
| 01:57:29 | whardier | you guys suck |
| 01:57:29 | whardier | hehe |
| 01:57:31 | whardier | literally |
| 01:57:33 | whardier | suck suck suck |
| 01:57:40 | whardier | this is my log of suck |
| 01:58:14 | whardier | we all need to deseratly form the Zaurus Homie Programming Gang |
| 01:58:19 | ][N-Flux | grabbed a few mp3's |
| 01:58:26 | whardier | desperatly |
| 01:58:27 | whardier | heh |
| 01:58:35 | whardier | as initiation we get to steal your mp3's |
| 01:58:39 | tgall_pda | heh |
| 01:58:43 | whardier | and you have to take a homie photo of yourself |
| 01:58:50 | whardier | all ghetto'd out |
| 01:58:50 | NeoTron | hmms |
| 01:58:57 | tgall_pda | well almost have a new collie 2.4.19-pre2 kernel put together |
| 01:59:05 | whardier | tgall_pda rawr? |
| 01:59:09 | whardier | uhm |
| 01:59:10 | whardier | how! |
| 01:59:21 | ljp | nice! |
| 01:59:29 | tgall_pda | I'm been hacking on it all afternoon ... been porting the 2.4.6 patches forward |
| 01:59:33 | whardier | ahha I see you are a kernel programmer |
| 01:59:40 | NeoTron | wonder what I can do to improve blitting speed... |
| 01:59:42 | whardier | mklinux ppc64 |
| 01:59:52 | tgall_pda | course getting it to compile and getting it to run are two different things |
| 01:59:58 | whardier | NeoTron: (use SDL) |
| 01:59:59 | tgall_pda | yeah I hack kernel for a living |
| 02:00:07 | NeoTron | whardier: hehe. Yah, no, not an option. :P |
| 02:00:10 | Aelfweld | I saw the ppc64 stuff at lwce |
| 02:00:13 | FastolfeTelnetStud | I hack Whardier for a living |
| 02:00:26 | whardier | NeoTron just make a frontend that loads a black fullscreen QT display then use SDL |
| 02:00:27 | whardier | :) |
| 02:00:28 | whardier | hehe |
| 02:00:43 | tgall_pda | Aelfweld: ah cool ... |
| 02:00:55 | whardier | tgall_pda well lemme fuck with the little muther fucker when you are done |
| 02:01:03 | NeoTron | whardier: I plan to add a QDirectPainter backend for SDL when I got my current game projects sorted out |
| 02:01:14 | tgall_pda | whardier: o hey no problem... I'll put my patches out |
| 02:01:23 | whardier | I have a patch you might wanna dick with as well.. BZflag made an MTD patch against 2.4.6 for JFFS2 that works in OZ3 |
| 02:01:23 | tgall_pda | I'm sure SD will be dead... |
| 02:01:26 | Fastolfe | lol! OPN is begging for bandwidth now |
| 02:01:37 | whardier | Fastolfe? |
| 02:01:41 | Fastolfe | with the /. fee, that tells you VA is fucked up |
| 02:01:45 | tgall_pda | Fastolfe: yeah I saw that |
| 02:02:09 | tgall_pda | Fastolfe: with all the people they have been shedding, you didn't think VA was screwed? |
| 02:02:09 | ][N-Flux | kung fu fighting |
| 02:02:22 | tgall_pda | whardier: you gotta ftp site for me? |
| 02:02:23 | whardier | ][N-Flux hahaha |
| 02:02:27 | Fastolfe | tgall_pda: ooh nooh, I thought they were the future man ! :) |
| 02:02:32 | Fastolfe | so |
| 02:02:41 | whardier | I have a full 500KBps going out of my connection reight now |
| 02:02:50 | whardier | thanks for uh.. testing the wireless as well ! |
| 02:02:53 | ][N-Flux | np |
| 02:02:57 | Fastolfe | after VA is dead, I'll see you all on |
| 02:02:58 | Fastolfe | ______ |
| 02:02:58 | Fastolfe | _____ ____/ / _ | _ / |
| 02:02:58 | Fastolfe | ____ / / / / / / |
| 02:02:58 | Fastolfe | ___ ___/ / / / / / |
| 02:02:58 | Fastolfe | __ / / / / / / |
| 02:03:00 | Fastolfe | _ _/ _/ _____/ ____/ |
| 02:03:03 | Fastolfe | FIDONET !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 02:03:04 | tgall_pda | whardier: heh... well need me to give you an accnount on linuxppc64.org? |
| 02:03:09 | ][N-Flux | 157KB coming my way atm |
| 02:03:12 | Fastolfe | FIDONET RULEZ DA PLANET |
| 02:03:25 | fusion94 | heh |
| 02:03:32 | whardier | tgall_pda the patch resides in openzaurus's CVS if you are interested |
| 02:03:48 | tgall_pda | whardier: ah ... then I probably already have it... |
| 02:03:50 | whardier | ][N-Flux you are not the only one sucking |
| 02:04:11 | whardier | damn ljp is too |
| 02:04:12 | whardier | haha |
| 02:04:12 | ljp | I dont suck.. I leach... |
| 02:04:22 | FastolfeTelnetStud | lol |
| 02:04:24 | whardier | well you guys are SOL |
| 02:04:28 | tgall_pda | whardier: mtd-snapshot? |
| 02:04:35 | NeoTron | I got one great idea I hafta try. :P |
| 02:04:36 | tux_mike | this is really starting to irk me |
| 02:04:41 | whardier | I need to continue testing the apache setup for userlogging so it is gonna be HUP'ped soon |
| 02:04:48 | whardier | tgall_pda thats the little bitch |
| 02:04:57 | whardier | err |
| 02:04:59 | whardier | tgall_pda no |
| 02:05:01 | ][N-Flux | I don't suck, I SUCK :) |
| 02:05:04 | tgall_pda | err wait ... this one ? linux-2.4.6-rmk1-np2-embedix-20011026-jffs2collie.diff |
| 02:05:07 | whardier | tgall_pda tomorrow I will know more |
| 02:05:15 | whardier | that looks like it |
| 02:05:26 | tgall_pda | k ... I'll make sure to add it in |
| 02:05:27 | tux_mike | anyone know if there is a general SD card driver? |
| 02:05:28 | whardier | we are using mtd-snapshot for the mkjffs2 |
| 02:05:38 | tgall_pda | tux_mike: hmmm good question ... time to google for it |
| 02:05:43 | Fastolfe | tux_mike: SD no, but MMC is coming |
| 02:06:03 | Fastolfe | tux_mike: you need to pay beaucoup bucks to mmca if you wanna make a SD driver |
| 02:06:03 | whardier | tgall_pda feel like making a REAL mmc driver? |
| 02:06:14 | Fastolfe | tux_mike: and it can't be opensource |
| 02:06:18 | Fastolfe | tux_mike: DMCA |
| 02:06:47 | tux_mike | FastolfeTelnetStud: ok, well can we make something SD without the encryption? |
| 02:06:51 | whardier | I am gonna shave my head now |
| 02:06:59 | Fastolfe | tux_mike: yeah, that's called MMC :) |
| 02:07:03 | tux_mike | my next laptop will have a SD slot |
| 02:07:14 | tux_mike | FastolfeTelnetStud: so the driver will be interoperable? |
| 02:07:22 | whardier | I am not gonna get layed for a long time it looks like.. so I am just gonna shave my head and start keeping up with martial arts :) |
| 02:07:30 | FastolfeTelnetStud | well, the SD driver can read MMC cards |
| 02:07:36 | fusion94 | whardier: heh |
| 02:08:03 | tux_mike | yah, but will the MMC driver work with the SD card slot |
| 02:09:48 | tgall_pda | http://lists.arm.linux.org.uk/pipermail/linux-arm-kernel/2002-January/006806.html <-- hmm |
| 02:09:54 | tux_mike | anyone see this before? Warning: loading /lib/modules/2.4.17-wintv/kernel/drivers/usb/saa7111-new.o will taint the kernel: no license |
| 02:10:18 | Fastolfe | ah! whardier, you running scared now aintcha ! :)) |
| 02:10:39 | tux_mike | is there license info in modules? |
| 02:10:53 | tgall_pda | tux_mike: sometimes year |
| 02:11:03 | tgall_pda | tux_mike: yes there is license info in modules now |
| 02:11:14 | tgall_pda | gpl, proprietary etc... |
| 02:11:31 | tgall_pda | anyway that link above is an alpha mmc driver |
| 02:11:36 | tgall_pda | for arm no less! |
| 02:11:42 | whardier | la |
| 02:11:49 | tux_mike | ah |
| 02:11:54 | whardier | ok so.. time to make fun with some cookies |
| 02:12:06 | tgall_pda | whoever that guy is, I'm going to worship the ground he stands on if he pulls it off |
| 02:12:34 | Fastolfe | hmm |
| 02:13:07 | Fastolfe | fuck! |
| 02:13:28 | ][N-Flux | where have TheKompany peeps been? |
| 02:13:51 | FastolfeTelnetStud | grrr |
| 02:13:54 | tux_mike | yes! it's working |
| 02:15:08 | FastolfeTelnetStud | tux_mike: how's the asm coming ? :) |
| 02:18:11 | ][N-Flux | whardier: I stuck a few mp3's up for you as well, hell for anyone |
| 02:18:54 | Fastolfe | ibot: you still won't talk to me ? |
| 02:19:07 | | i haven't a clue, fastolfe_ |
| 02:19:07 | Fastolfe_ | ibot: you still won't talk to me ? |
| 02:19:15 | Fastolfe | sonofabitch |
| 02:19:20 | | Fastolfe is an extreme stud |
| 02:19:20 | fusion94 | ibot: who is Fastolfe |
| 02:19:36 | FastolfeTelnetStud | I can't but agree with this |
| 02:19:38 | fusion94 | Fastolfe: talks to me although it seems to lie alot |
| 02:19:57 | FastolfeTelnetStud | not in this case tho |
| 02:20:14 | | somebody said lineo was ljp's nemesis |
| 02:20:14 | fusion94 | ibot: lineo ? |
| 02:20:21 | FastolfeTelnetStud | lol |
| 02:20:36 | | bugger all, i dunno, fusion94 |
| 02:20:36 | fusion94 | ibot: sourceforge ? |
| 02:20:42 | fusion94 | heh |
| 02:20:57 | FastolfeTelnetStud | see ? ibot already knows VA is dead |
| 02:21:04 | | sourceforge is crap |
| 02:21:04 | fusion94 | ibot: sourceforge ? |
| 02:21:08 | fusion94 | there |
| 02:21:12 | Fastolfe | heh |
| 02:21:33 | | it has been said that sourceforge is crap |
| 02:21:33 | fusion94 | ibot: sourceforge ? |
| 02:21:46 | Fastolfe | ibot fusion94 |
| 02:21:50 | Fastolfe | ibot what fusion94 |
| 02:21:57 | Fastolfe | ah yes, won't talk to me |
| 02:22:01 | | i haven't a clue, fastolfe_ |
| 02:22:01 | Fastolfe_ | ibot what fusion94 |
| 02:22:11 | | ...but fusion94 is the wanker that wrote sourceforge... |
| 02:22:11 | Fastolfe_ | ibot Fusion94 is another extreme stud |
| 02:22:14 | Fastolfe_ | lol |
| 02:22:22 | fusion94 | there we go :) |
| 02:23:23 | fusion94 | werd |
| 02:23:28 | fusion94 | speaking of SF crap |
| 02:23:36 | fusion94 | http://isquare.org/sfbt/ |
| 02:24:57 | FastolfeTelnetStud | fusion94: you know, bugzilla ain't that bad these days |
| 02:25:36 | fusion94 | i am not writing the hooks to integrate bugzilla into a SF clone |
| 02:25:49 | fusion94 | that code is far worse than raster's |
| 02:26:15 | FastolfeTelnetStud | yeah, bugzilla is a typical example of why Perl is called a "read-only language" |
| 02:26:24 | tgall_pda | well enough fun for one day ... see ya in the morning gents |
| 02:26:25 | FastolfeTelnetStud | write-only I mean |
| 02:26:40 | FastolfeTelnetStud | seeya tgall |
| 02:27:33 | fusion94 | heh |
| 02:27:35 | fusion94 | i hate perl |
| 02:27:57 | FastolfeTelnetStud | This is sick, I'm actually starting to make sense of that raw IRC telnet session and enjoy it :) |
| 02:28:30 | tgall_pda | FastolfeTelnetStud: you are one sick puppy |
| 02:28:37 | tgall_pda | flees |
| 02:28:44 | FastolfeTelnetStud | why thanks a lot :) |
| 02:29:16 | tux_mike | gah! |
| 02:29:30 | FastolfeTelnetStud | sup ? |
| 02:29:49 | tux_mike | FastolfeTelnetStud: re your earlier question, asm is coming along, slowly :) |
| 02:30:01 | FastolfeTelnetStud | oh goody :) |
| 02:32:31 | ljp | nop nop |
| 02:32:37 | tux_mike | noop! |
| 02:32:40 | tux_mike | n00p! |
| 02:32:54 | ljp | jne |
| 02:35:22 | ljp | heh.. thats about the extent of what I know of asm. |
| 02:35:52 | Fastolfe | noop ? :) |
| 02:35:56 | Fastolfe | nop |
| 02:35:58 | tux_mike | i should finish my modifications to contacteditor.cpp |
| 02:36:29 | tux_mike | noop is in ftp. |
| 02:36:35 | tux_mike | i think |
| 02:36:38 | ljp | jmp jne nop |
| 02:36:51 | ljp | :) |
| 02:36:57 | fusion94 | ljp: english |
| 02:37:10 | Fastolfe | I wonder: if I made an irc client that compressed a live sound source like crazy, sand that over irc and run that on a Zaurus with a mike and an 802.11b card, that would be the ultimate internet talkie-walkie ! :) |
| 02:37:41 | fusion94 | thats nuts |
| 02:37:47 | Fastolfe | fusion94: why not ? |
| 02:38:03 | tux_mike | FastolfeTelnetStud: why not use h.323? |
| 02:38:29 | FastolfeTelnetStud | yeah, but irc crosses firewalls better |
| 02:38:34 | tux_mike | true |
| 02:38:45 | fusion94 | Fastolfe: why compress live sound ?? do you mean the RAW streams themselves ? |
| 02:39:08 | Fastolfe | fusion94: if you send that much data to an irc server, you get kicked out for crapflooding |
| 02:39:29 | Fastolfe | gsm would do the trick |
| 02:39:51 | Fastolfe | I wrote a compressor long ago that sent 100 bytes per seconds :) |
| 02:39:59 | fusion94 | Fastolfe: heh |
| 02:40:00 | Fastolfe | the sound quality was shite tho |
| 02:40:17 | fusion94 | so it would be like a time delayed walkie talkie |
| 02:40:24 | whardier | la |
| 02:40:29 | Fastolfe | well, not very delayed I would think |
| 02:40:35 | whardier | I use h.323 |
| 02:40:37 | whardier | a lot now |
| 02:41:02 | whardier | I also use ESD |
| 02:41:06 | whardier | a lot |
| 02:41:09 | whardier | a lot a lot a lot |
| 02:41:12 | fusion94 | heh |
| 02:41:24 | fusion94 | i should look at esd again |
| 02:41:35 | whardier | you know what is REALLY EASY? |
| 02:41:43 | whardier | esdmon | notlame - - |
| 02:41:44 | whardier | hehe |
| 02:41:52 | whardier | esdrec | notlame - - |
| 02:41:57 | whardier | and NETCAT! |
| 02:42:10 | whardier | viola |
| 02:42:16 | whardier | instant compressed audio |
| 02:42:20 | whardier | that goes thru firewalls |
| 02:42:24 | whardier | awaits the applause |
| 02:42:27 | whardier | oh cmon! |
| 02:42:31 | whardier | give it up! |
| 02:43:09 | whardier | you know what is even worse? |
| 02:43:12 | whardier | EVEN WORSE |
| 02:43:25 | ljp | windows media player? |
| 02:43:36 | roge99 | lol |
| 02:44:11 | whardier | <?php header("Content-Type: audio/x-audio-mpeg"); echo `esdmon -s localhost:16001 | netcat - -`; ?> |
| 02:44:34 | whardier | leave your machine at home playing mp3's |
| 02:44:46 | whardier | and just load up that page via xmms or mpg123 or whatever by url |
| 02:44:49 | whardier | and listen to it |
| 02:45:07 | Fastolfe | lpc-10 == 1/26 compression factor |
| 02:45:09 | Fastolfe | hmm |
| 02:45:19 | whardier | H323 is way neat |
| 02:45:27 | whardier | but I had to establish a VPN in most cases to make it work |
| 02:46:06 | whardier | works easiest with modems :)P |
| 02:48:27 | whardier | tuxfukka? |
| 02:49:33 | hobnobblin | that's right I love that bastard WAY too much! |
| 02:49:43 | tux_mike | i don't like the sound of that o_o |
| 02:57:48 | Fastolfe | wtf ? |
| 03:09:51 | em1ssnuke | hey SF |
| 03:11:19 | Fastolfe | hmm |
| 03:11:28 | em1ssnuke | hmmm x2 |
| 03:11:46 | Fastolfe | I seem to be able to squeeze 200 bytes/s over IRC without being kicked out |
| 03:12:13 | em1ssnuke | ... why is this an issue ? ... |
| 03:12:40 | Fastolfe | oh I was thinking about sending a compressed audio stream over IRC earlier |
| 03:12:50 | em1ssnuke | ah .... |
| 03:13:10 | ljp | he wants to invent a radio :) |
| 03:13:14 | Fastolfe | lol |
| 03:13:26 | Fastolfe | a Zaurus internet walkie-talkie |
| 03:13:26 | em1ssnuke | crystal free? |
| 03:14:17 | Fastolfe | but 200 bytes/s == 100 ASCII bytes/sec. Ain't much for audio |
| 03:15:01 | em1ssnuke | but .. I thought they do haev audio with irc clients? ... ? |
| 03:15:06 | em1ssnuke | have |
| 03:15:16 | Fastolfe | em1ssnuke: dunno, but I bet it's dcc audio |
| 03:15:28 | Fastolfe | I doubt the server ops want to carry audio thru the server |
| 03:15:37 | Fastolfe | checks |
| 03:16:40 | em1ssnuke | ... tried once a long while ago .... very sketchy and irratic ... based on several factors |
| 03:16:46 | ljp | zaurus- the swiss army knife of computers |
| 03:17:06 | em1ssnuke | french-army knife ... ;) |
| 03:18:15 | Fastolfe | em1ssnuke: yuk french-army yuk yuk I've given already yuk |
| 03:18:26 | Fastolfe | no audio reflector on irc |
| 03:19:27 | Fastolfe | brb cigarette |
| 03:24:40 | Scuba2deth | Hi all |
| 03:25:19 | em1ssnuke | hey |
| 03:26:17 | ljp | hiya |
| 03:37:05 | Scuba2deth | Does any one know of a compatible Office Suite which will work on the X |
| 03:37:06 | Scuba2deth | X |
| 03:37:08 | Scuba2deth | Z |
| 03:37:35 | em1ssnuke | not me |
| 03:40:05 | Scuba2deth | I know that the Z5500 will have Hamcon mobile office but you can't find it any where there site is horrible |
| 03:40:36 | em1ssnuke | the 5500 isn't released yet ... correct? |
| 03:41:22 | Scuba2deth | Correct but I know its out there I have seen vnc shots of the Z5000 running it |
| 03:41:25 | whardier | heya out there |
| 03:41:31 | whardier | mpg123 http://vash.umgllc.net:8000/live |
| 03:41:36 | whardier | lets do some bandwidth testing |
| 03:43:34 | em1ssnuke | what is mpg123? |
| 03:43:44 | fusion94 | a commandline mp3 player |
| 03:44:31 | em1ssnuke | thanks .... |
| 03:44:36 | whardier | anyhoot |
| 03:44:38 | whardier | stream that url |
| 03:46:00 | em1ssnuke | no audio ... on this box ... and port is firewalled through the rest ... |
| 03:46:38 | whardier | haha |
| 03:46:39 | whardier | doh |
| 03:47:10 | Fastolfe | em1ssnuke: you can use mpg123 w/o audio, just to load whardier's server and make him happy |
| 03:47:20 | whardier | hahaha |
| 03:47:23 | whardier | yeah |
| 03:47:23 | whardier | -w |
| 03:50:21 | em1ssnuke | whardier, whats the purpose ... are you attempting to determine your available BW ? |
| 03:50:30 | whardier | em1ssnuke I am not logical |
| 03:50:38 | Fastolfe | true enough |
| 03:50:40 | Fastolfe | :) |
| 03:50:47 | whardier | I found a nice program |
| 03:50:49 | whardier | liveice |
| 03:50:54 | whardier | with the -E (esdmon mode) option |
| 03:51:07 | whardier | this is a lot easier than the nasty hack I had to make to darkice |
| 03:51:21 | Fastolfe | whardier: I operate a shoutcast server here. Liveice is really good as an audio backend for icecast |
| 03:51:29 | whardier | well I am used to darkice |
| 03:51:39 | Fastolfe | whatzat ? |
| 03:51:41 | whardier | then I searched apt and found liveice |
| 03:51:45 | whardier | darkice is primitive compared |
| 03:52:02 | Fastolfe | try icecast, it rocks and it works with xmms |
| 03:52:28 | fusion94 | NeoTron: you awake/around ? |
| 03:53:13 | whardier | Fastolfe it is a backend to icecast :) |
| 03:53:17 | whardier | I am using icecast |
| 03:53:24 | whardier | darkice is like liveice |
| 03:53:33 | em1ssnuke | fusion, wouldn't you be looking for a neutron .... :0 |
| 03:53:58 | Fastolfe | whardier: oic |
| 03:54:02 | em1ssnuke | err that would be fission |
| 03:55:18 | ljp | hehehe.. opies sysinfo has a process viewer/killer |
| 04:04:57 | tux_mike | hrm... i wonder how far different power classes of IR lasers go |
| 04:05:46 | em1ssnuke | lasers or LEDs? |
| 04:05:57 | whardier | masers |
| 04:06:13 | Fastolfe | tux_mike: I do laser DX : what do you want to do ? |
| 04:07:15 | Fastolfe | tux_mike: I got a 12 mile link with a class IIIb laser and a PMT backend with a fresnel lens at the receiving end |
| 04:07:43 | tux_mike | my friend had an idea to do a laser tag game with lasers. i want to get about 20-40m in broad daylight, and be completly stoppable with safety glasses. perferablly no lenses |
| 04:08:45 | Fastolfe | tux_mike: use a class IIIb (laser pointer class) and defocus the front lens, to increase the size of the cone, and modulate it so the receiver can distinguish it from ambient light |
| 04:09:09 | Fastolfe | tux_mike: or use very focuses IR leds, pulsed as wekk |
| 04:09:11 | Fastolfe | well |
| 04:09:35 | tux_mike | i don't wanna futz with lenses on IR leds, they get misaligned too easily. |
| 04:10:24 | tux_mike | IIIb will be stopped by a set of goggles? |
| 04:10:39 | tux_mike | and safe if accidenatlly shined in eyes? |
| 04:10:46 | Fastolfe | tux_mike: some LEDs are very focused w/o lens. Most of them have an aperture of 30 degrees, but some specialty leds go down to 10 |
| 04:10:59 | Fastolfe | IIIb == laser pointer == <5mW |
| 04:11:03 | Fastolfe | == safe |
| 04:11:27 | Fastolfe | I wonder where I put the photos of my long range laser modem :) |
| 04:12:15 | Fastolfe | ah there they are |
| 04:12:30 | tux_mike | Fastolfe: i've used leds, and i've used laser tag systems based on them, they always go bad after a while of hard use |
| 04:12:57 | Fastolfe | tux_mike: I've never done laser tag stuff |
| 04:13:35 | Fastolfe | tux_mike: the easiest with laser is do hack the signal with an old fan to pulsate the signal, then use a narrow-band filter at the receiving end |
| 04:14:34 | tux_mike | i need nomanally, at about 6m a 10-15cm spot on someone. |
| 04:15:07 | tux_mike | Fastolfe: i can use an electronic modulation :) i think i know how to do it with some 555 chips |
| 04:15:24 | Fastolfe | with a bad $10 laser pointer, you'll get a dispersion of .5 to 1 degree, so about 10 cm at 5 meters |
| 04:15:41 | Fastolfe | tux_mike: I don't think you've modulated laser diodes before :) |
| 04:15:57 | tux_mike | no, i havent, why is there a trick to it? |
| 04:16:09 | tux_mike | well, i am looking for ir in perticular |
| 04:16:36 | Fastolfe | check this out : http://oss.lineo.com/fbvncserver/laser_modem/ |
| 04:17:11 | Fastolfe | tux_mike: laser diodes need a very controlled power supply to drive them. |
| 04:17:20 | Fastolfe | tux_mike: even static kills them |
| 04:17:36 | tux_mike | hrm... |
| 04:17:37 | Fastolfe | tux_mike: so I say use a cheap ass laser pointer and hack the signal mechanically |
| 04:18:00 | Fastolfe | There are circuits out there to modulate a laser diode, but they are not trivial |
| 04:18:05 | tux_mike | this has to go into a gun, so mechanical isn't that good of an idea |
| 04:18:21 | tux_mike | i'm figuring handguns mostly |
| 04:19:03 | Fastolfe | tux_mike: well, if you design the receiver right, you can modulate the laser pointer's power supply up to about 2KHz. Above that and the regulation cuts your signal |
| 04:19:09 | ljp | didn't Dr. Ice use a lazer blazer gun? |
| 04:19:22 | Fastolfe | tux_mike: But ideally you want to modulate at around 40KHz |
| 04:20:07 | tux_mike | Fastolfe: right away, i have no intent on putting data onto the line, but later i may want to transmit one byte of data over it |
| 04:22:06 | Fastolfe | tux_mike: the prob isn't data in the case of you laser tag thing, the prob is to have a modulated signal so that the receiver can pick it out from the ambient light. The best value is between 30 and 40KHz, that's what TV remotes use. But you can't modulate a laser beam that fast by modulating the power source, so you need a separate modulated power regulator (expensive and tricky) or a mechanical hacker (cheap and easy). |
| 04:22:23 | Fastolfe | tux_mike: you can use a tiny motor and a disk with many strips, it works great |
| 04:22:31 | Fastolfe | tux_mike: and it'd fit in your gun |
| 04:22:42 | tux_mike | hrm... |
| 04:23:09 | Fastolfe | tux_mike: the one I did for last year's laser DX contest fit in a matchbox |
| 04:23:12 | em1ssnuke | DigiKey .... has some laser xmitters and rcvrs |
| 04:23:32 | Fastolfe | 3V mabushi motor with a 2cm mylar disk, with 100 black and white strips. |
| 04:23:37 | tux_mike | well, the mechanical won't work so well when i'm switching to the 1 byte of data over the laser. |
| 04:24:02 | Fastolfe | tux_mike: hmm, actually if you just transmit one byte, it'll work great |
| 04:24:12 | Fastolfe | tux_mike: just print the byte on the disk :) |
| 04:24:27 | whardier | ok |
| 04:24:31 | whardier | freeswan sure is lovely to set up |
| 04:25:03 | Fastolfe | tux_mike: what's that byte you want to transmit ? |
| 04:25:23 | tux_mike | id |
| 04:25:29 | Fastolfe | ooh, the gun id ? |
| 04:25:32 | tux_mike | so you know who hit it |
| 04:25:39 | tux_mike | either gun, or operator |
| 04:25:42 | Fastolfe | yeah |
| 04:25:43 | em1ssnuke | what is the nm for IR band? |
| 04:25:50 | Fastolfe | about 650nm |
| 04:25:57 | tux_mike | that sounds right |
| 04:25:57 | Fastolfe | or more |
| 04:26:18 | Fastolfe | tux_mike: what do you receive the byte with ? |
| 04:26:29 | Fastolfe | tux_mike: how many guns potentially ? |
| 04:26:32 | em1ssnuke | more i think ... lookin in the digikey 640 is orange ... |
| 04:26:39 | tux_mike | 20-30 max |
| 04:26:47 | tux_mike | but expansion is always nice :) |
| 04:26:51 | Fastolfe | yeah |
| 04:27:11 | Fastolfe | okay, here's what you do : |
| 04:27:32 | Fastolfe | hack the beam mechanically, so the receiver can isolate the laser signal from ambient light |
| 04:27:40 | Fastolfe | and when you want to transmit the byte |
| 04:27:52 | Fastolfe | modulate the power supply at 1200 bauds tops |
| 04:27:59 | tux_mike | ok |
| 04:28:15 | Fastolfe | that way, you effectively modulate a 40KHz carrier wave with your binary data |
| 04:28:18 | tux_mike | how big is that motor you said? |
| 04:28:29 | Fastolfe | mabushi makes teensy motors. |
| 04:28:33 | Fastolfe | hold on lemme get a url |
| 04:29:03 | NeoTron | fusion94: I'm here now.. |
| 04:29:06 | NeoTron | sugar heard fusion94 |
| 04:29:06 | Sugar | NeoTron: I last heard fusion94 on IRC 36m 38s ago in channel #zaurus saying: NeoTron: you awake/around ? |
| 04:29:41 | Fastolfe | tux_mike: check these out : http://www.greenweld.co.uk/cgi-shopping/acatalog/Greenweld_Motors_41.html |
| 04:30:10 | Fastolfe | tux_mike: at 10000 rpms unloaded, you can use a disk with only 4 strips |
| 04:30:12 | Cuda | i'm trying to install Python and PyQt on my 16MB SD card, but it runs out of space trying to do the tar step on the PyQt pkg. I've tried to use "-t /mnt/cf" which has 128MB available, but it won't try to use anything but the actual RAM. How do i get around this? Is there some way to flush out my RAM? |
| 04:31:46 | em1ssnuke | Digikey has an infrared laser diode 1550 nm |
| 04:32:11 | em1ssnuke | $124.84 each |
| 04:32:22 | Fastolfe | how powerful ? |
| 04:32:25 | tux_mike | Fastolfe: those seem kinda big for what i need |
| 04:32:28 | em1ssnuke | 5W |
| 04:32:36 | Fastolfe | em 5W ???? |
| 04:32:46 | em1ssnuke | sorry mW |
| 04:33:06 | Fastolfe | tux_mike: then you'll have to design your own regulated power supply with modulation |
| 04:33:33 | Fastolfe | em1ssnuke: 1550nm is deep IR, it'll be cheaper if you get closer to the red |
| 04:33:34 | em1ssnuke | Lumex part No. OED-LDC15001E |
| 04:33:54 | em1ssnuke | k ... i'll keep looking ... |
| 04:34:02 | tux_mike | hrm... i'll talk to my dad for that, he could help me design it :) |
| 04:34:07 | Cuda | anyone have python and pyqt installed |
| 04:34:07 | ljp | cuda: you could try decompressing that on your desktop and then uploading the files w/ ftp |
| 04:34:20 | Fastolfe | tux_mike: hold on I think I saw a circuit once |
| 04:34:26 | em1ssnuke | 1100nm .3mW $35.26 |
| 04:34:29 | Cuda | ljp: how does one decompress an ipkg? |
| 04:34:39 | ljp | rename it to tar.gz |
| 04:35:02 | ljp | and then there's two tar.gz's inside.. data.tar.gz has the files |
| 04:35:03 | tux_mike | Fastolfe: how do you think IR lasers would effect eyes? i don't want to cause any (temporary or permanent) damage to someone's eyes |
| 04:35:30 | Cuda | brb. |
| 04:35:51 | em1ssnuke | 850nm 45-65mA $32 |
| 04:36:39 | Fastolfe | tux_mike: check this page out : http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/3931/laserdps.htm |
| 04:37:44 | Cuda | ljp: that's so simple it's scary. |
| 04:37:55 | Fastolfe | tux_mike: IR is dangerous because the eye can't see it, therefore you don't have the instinct to squint and your retina takes a full blast. In IR, anything over 5mW is considered dangerous, and I believe anything over 10mW requires a variance |
| 04:38:04 | Fastolfe | tux_mike: visible light is much better |
| 04:38:48 | Fastolfe | tux_mike: IR is so dangerous for the eyes that even a IR power led sold at RatShack can cook your cornea in an instant |
| 04:39:24 | Fastolfe | I don't work with IR, it scares me |
| 04:39:33 | tux_mike | hrm... |
| 04:39:35 | Fastolfe | so I do all my laser DX at night, with deep red lasers |
| 04:40:30 | ljp | so, have you hooked on eup to a zaurus, yet? |
| 04:40:31 | Fastolfe | tux_mike: to be safe, use a red laser diode under 3mW |
| 04:40:32 | tux_mike | well, i was going to require filtration goggles... red may be better, but i can't run around with color-tinted goggles on |
| 04:40:57 | Fastolfe | ljp: eup ? |
| 04:41:13 | Fastolfe | ljp: ooh "one up" :) |
| 04:41:16 | ljp | hooked one up |
| 04:41:17 | Fastolfe | ljp: nope |
| 04:41:21 | NeoTron | rock! |
| 04:41:33 | NeoTron | I significantly improved drawing performance now |
| 04:41:34 | em1ssnuke | paper! |
| 04:41:40 | ljp | that darned space bar gets me all the time |
| 04:41:43 | NeoTron | now where is mark_ when you need him... :-)) |
| 04:42:15 | Fastolfe | ljp: actually I'd love to use the audio port to drive a tiny laser modem :) |
| 04:42:32 | Fastolfe | ljp: that would rock for kids at school |
| 04:42:44 | ljp | laser modem? |
| 04:42:48 | Fastolfe | yeah |
| 04:43:01 | Fastolfe | you know, like in transmitting data over a laser beam |
| 04:43:27 | ljp | aaahhhh |
| 04:44:02 | em1ssnuke | scissors |
| 04:44:12 | Fastolfe | em1ssnuke: you okay ? :) |
| 04:44:32 | em1ssnuke | rock paper scissors .... off in my own world.... |
| 04:44:52 | Fastolfe | ic |
| 04:46:14 | ljp | I want a retina scanner in my car, so I can throw away the keys |
| 04:46:39 | em1ssnuke | bad joke ..... rectal what? |
| 04:47:07 | em1ssnuke | SouthPark .... |
| 04:47:35 | Fastolfe | ljp: have you tried a keycode access ? :) |
| 04:48:57 | ljp | too difficult. |
| 04:49:07 | whardier | dude.. |
| 04:49:17 | tux_mike | thumbprint? |
| 04:49:45 | ljp | too easy to fake. :) |
| 04:50:00 | whardier | no shit |
| 04:50:04 | whardier | I played with that |
| 04:50:14 | em1ssnuke | facial IR signature .... each is different |
| 04:50:24 | whardier | zits |
| 04:50:28 | tux_mike | dna analizer? |
| 04:50:33 | whardier | too costly |
| 04:50:40 | em1ssnuke | reduced error ... due to larger area to read |
| 04:50:55 | em1ssnuke | Look for article in ESJ. |
| 04:50:56 | tux_mike | tounge print scanner? |
| 04:50:58 | whardier | passcode + keyring device |
| 04:51:05 | tux_mike | :) |
| 04:51:15 | Fastolfe | ljp: do what I do, buy an old car and you can leave it open all the time without anybody wanting to steal it :) |
| 04:51:33 | ljp | I have one of those.. only its a van |
| 04:51:36 | NeoTron | yehaa! |
| 04:51:44 | em1ssnuke | .... buddy at work has one of those .... hell of a ride! |
| 04:51:47 | Fastolfe | ljp: although in the case of my Charger, I'm beginning to worry |
| 04:52:06 | em1ssnuke | Nissan though .... |
| 04:52:16 | NeoTron | still not super excellent but it's down from topping at about 10 to about 5.5 ms. |
| 04:52:36 | Fastolfe | actually, yeah, the best anti-theft device is a carburated Chrysler : it's such a bitch to start :) |
| 04:52:39 | ljp | Fastolfe: that would depend on how sooped up it is |
| 04:53:03 | Fastolfe | ljp: well, it's bone stock, which makes it valuable on the collector's market |
| 04:53:04 | ljp | ya, especially when its cold |
| 04:53:25 | ljp | wow, a stock Charger, eh? |
| 04:53:25 | Fastolfe | ljp: I still get plenty of oomph with it |
| 04:53:34 | Fastolfe | ljp: yeah |
| 04:53:39 | Fastolfe | ljp: it's a doozy |
| 04:53:47 | Fastolfe | digs a photo |
| 04:54:14 | ljp | ya, but does it have a lazer in it? |
| 04:54:56 | whardier | oompa loompa |
| 04:55:01 | whardier | loompidy doo |
| 04:55:21 | Fastolfe | ljp: ARE YOU KIDDIN ME ? it's got MISSILES, and super-duper GUIDED BOMBS, and machine guns and shit |
| 04:55:49 | Fastolfe | http://oss.lineo.com/fbvncserver/charger.jpg |
| 04:55:59 | whardier | http://www.usa.canon.com/indtech/broadcasteq/canobeam.html |
| 04:56:26 | ljp | oh man thats ugly |
| 04:56:29 | ljp | :D |
| 04:57:04 | tux_mike | i'd agree with ljp :) |
| 04:57:08 | em1ssnuke | nice ride ..... |
| 04:57:14 | Fastolfe | heh |
| 04:57:29 | ljp | needs flames |
| 04:57:35 | Fastolfe | er. |
| 04:57:36 | Fastolfe | no |
| 04:57:37 | Fastolfe | :) |
| 04:57:46 | ljp | and a scoop |
| 04:57:56 | Fastolfe | actually it does need a scoop |
| 04:57:58 | tux_mike | needs to be disposed of in flames :) |
| 04:58:01 | ljp | and a six-pack |
| 04:58:02 | Fastolfe | but I want to keep the thing original |
| 04:58:03 | whardier | I like the charger |
| 04:58:04 | whardier | hahaha |
| 04:58:10 | whardier | does it plug into my Z |
| 04:58:15 | tux_mike | i like very few old cars. |
| 04:58:17 | Fastolfe | not yet :) |
| 04:58:28 | tux_mike | i like very few new cars too... :) |
| 04:58:32 | Fastolfe | the only thing that's not original is the horn |
| 04:58:37 | Fastolfe | I gotta get this thing out |
| 04:58:37 | ljp | what?! your bike does.. why not the charger? |
| 04:58:56 | whardier | http://www.ebike.com/index2.html |
| 04:58:59 | Fastolfe | it's got an eight-track, I spose I could control the deck with the Z :) |
| 04:59:13 | whardier | Fastolfe wireless telegraph |
| 04:59:21 | Scuba2deth | Talking about motorcycles any one thing the volume on a Z could over come the wind through a helmet |
| 04:59:21 | tux_mike | i don't think it'd be worth the effort |
| 04:59:30 | Fastolfe | there's a guy who made an 8-track tape with an MP3 player in it lol |
| 04:59:41 | ljp | 8 track.. thats funny. does it work? |
| 04:59:46 | Scuba2deth | And if not how could one amplify it |
| 04:59:47 | Fastolfe | ljp: sure does |
| 04:59:57 | ljp | and you have 8 track tapes? |
| 05:00:04 | tux_mike | hrm.... now time to hunt down a cache of all mame roms :) |
| 05:00:19 | Fastolfe | ljp: yeah, I picked up a box of 500 for $2 at the auction the other day :( |
| 05:00:21 | Fastolfe | :) |
| 05:00:23 | em1ssnuke | Fast_: how long have you been in the states? .... |
| 05:00:25 | Fastolfe | all redneck shit tho |
| 05:00:27 | whardier | Fastolfe the mp3 player.. hahaha.. a lot easier than making a standard casette sized one |
| 05:00:35 | ljp | actually I like the body, but that front end... |
| 05:00:38 | Fastolfe | em1ssnuke: bout 3 yrs |
| 05:00:55 | Fastolfe | ljp: it's just like women dude |
| 05:00:57 | Fastolfe | :) |
| 05:01:14 | ljp | thats funny |
| 05:01:23 | Fastolfe | I picked up the car because it's rare, not necessarily beautiful |
| 05:01:28 | ljp | great view in that photo |
| 05:01:38 | Fastolfe | I need to get me a 71 cuda |
| 05:01:54 | ljp | oh please dont say stock |
| 05:01:59 | em1ssnuke | hemi.... |
| 05:02:00 | Fastolfe | yeah |
| 05:03:46 | whardier | dude |
| 05:03:50 | whardier | a hemi cuda |
| 05:03:51 | whardier | dies |
| 05:03:55 | Fastolfe | ah lol |
| 05:04:16 | Fastolfe | I found a photo of my Caddy I had in the UK, next to my neighbor's "big car" |
| 05:04:16 | Fastolfe | lol |
| 05:04:32 | Fastolfe | his car looks like a goddamn smurf car |
| 05:05:15 | Fastolfe | http://oss.lineo.com/fbvncserver/topview1.jpg |
| 05:05:21 | Fastolfe | america like biiig cars |
| 05:08:48 | ljp | you had a caddy in the UK? thats too much.. :) |
| 05:08:58 | Fastolfe | I've never had but american cars |
| 05:09:08 | ljp | aren't there streets like 4 feet wide? |
| 05:09:09 | Fastolfe | makes me feel safer :) |
| 05:09:13 | Fastolfe | ljp: yeah :) |
| 05:09:39 | Fastolfe | ljp: but it's great because ppl see you, they're not likely to run into you because they didn't notice you |
| 05:10:08 | ljp | true |
| 05:10:19 | Fastolfe | twas a great car, 1977 and only 20K miles on the clock |
| 05:12:16 | ljp | I've had a bunch of different cars, including a 1957 Chevy bus |
| 05:12:32 | Fastolfe | cool |
| 05:12:48 | Fastolfe | The thing I really want is a limo |
| 05:12:48 | ljp | shortie- 22 feet long |
| 05:12:55 | Fastolfe | like an old one |
| 05:13:00 | Fastolfe | ljp: lol |
| 05:13:02 | ljp | ya, me too.. and a driver.. |
| 05:13:21 | Fastolfe | ljp: ah, but without the driver. I want to drive it :) |
| 05:13:32 | ljp | and a couple women sippin' at the bar in the back |
| 05:13:40 | Fastolfe | ljp: then when I'm tired, I just slip in the back and have a glass of something |
| 05:13:42 | ljp | ok. you can be my driver! |
| 05:13:42 | Fastolfe | :) |
| 05:13:48 | whardier | pimp |
| 05:13:52 | Fastolfe | ljp: I'm too expensive for you |
| 05:14:01 | Fastolfe | ljp: cuz I've got really good legs |
| 05:14:04 | ljp | probably.. |
| 05:14:06 | whardier | ? |
| 05:14:07 | em1ssnuke | ljp, found an article in DDJ on Facial Recognition using fuzzy logic |
| 05:14:45 | ljp | they probably use that in Miami |
| 05:14:45 | whardier | ljp: I got two words for you.. ibutton rings |
| 05:15:19 | ljp | ibutton rings? |
| 05:15:33 | whardier | http://www.ibutton.com/store/index.html |
| 05:15:59 | whardier | I worked on those a while back for a POS system |
| 05:17:11 | ljp | thats crazy |
| 05:17:26 | whardier | hahaha |
| 05:18:01 | ljp | 'ya my ring runs java' |
| 05:20:03 | whardier | well |
| 05:20:06 | whardier | those are the dumb ones |
| 05:20:17 | whardier | I would rather just have a 16K memory chip on my keychain |
| 05:20:39 | whardier | and use the libpam authinticator for it |
| 05:20:44 | whardier | authenticator |
| 05:20:44 | whardier | heh |
| 05:20:49 | ljp | heh.. my tv has a remote control... :) |
| 05:21:09 | ljp | I don't even have to get up anymore to change the channels! |
| 05:22:04 | ljp | but what happens when you loose the ring that has your digital ID in it.. |
| 05:22:33 | em1ssnuke | yet another form of ID theft ..... |
| 05:23:06 | whardier | ljp true secured authentification is almost impossible |
| 05:23:11 | whardier | you just have to think obscurely |
| 05:23:18 | whardier | does not know why you need it |
| 05:23:20 | em1ssnuke | seeyaalllater |
| 05:23:51 | ljp | bye |
| 05:38:59 | nelson | perlowj: stupid question: how do I bring up a terminal in the absense of a terminal icon? |
| 05:46:18 | whardier | I should change the smacks of shortage method in opie |
| 05:56:48 | NeoTron | sugar heard mark_ |
| 05:56:48 | Sugar | is away: I'm busy |
| 05:57:40 | fusion94 | NeoTron: heya |
| 05:58:14 | NeoTron | hey |
| 05:58:32 | fusion94 | i figured out how to record real audio streams under linux |
| 05:58:38 | NeoTron | oh? :) |
| 05:58:45 | fusion94 | esdmon > /tmp/fifo & lame -r -m s -h -b 64 -p --tt "Recording 20/3/2002" --ta "Radio 1" --tl "BBC" --ty "2002" --tn 1 --tg "Electronica" /tmp/fifo out.mp3 |
| 05:59:06 | NeoTron | ah, yes, esd. |
| 05:59:15 | fusion94 | aye |
| 05:59:28 | NeoTron | esd is basically the same thing as that windows app. A proxy between user apps and the sound card. :) |
| 05:59:42 | fusion94 | yeah, i was talking to raster about it today |
| 05:59:51 | fusion94 | we came up with that to do it |
| 06:00:23 | NeoTron | things like is is what makes the whole concept of DRM (i.e copyprotected audio etc) totally moot |
| 06:00:36 | fusion94 | pretty much |
| 06:01:11 | fusion94 | is away: qaf |
| 06:41:43 | whardier | anybody have netmeeting installed? |
| 06:42:50 | whardier | ps -aux |
| 06:42:52 | whardier | hahaha |
| 07:02:35 | NeoTron | ROCK! |
| 07:02:46 | NeoTron | now the redrawing speed is about 4x as fast |
| 07:02:55 | NeoTron | that should be enough for smooth animation |
| 07:22:11 | whardier | what did you do? |
| 07:22:44 | NeoTron | Many things. :P |
| 07:23:13 | NeoTron | 1) Keep a second "cache" which holds the background/board and all static tiles |
| 07:23:35 | NeoTron | That saves A LOT during animation or redraw with lots balls |
| 07:24:10 | NeoTron | 2) draw animations (moving balls) using QPixmaps with a 1-bit mask instead of 8 bit alpha buffer |
| 07:24:24 | NeoTron | that also saves a lot and doesn't change visual quality THAT much |
| 07:24:33 | NeoTron | static tiles are still drawn using correct alpha |
| 07:24:51 | whardier | so you manually changed all the masks? |
| 07:24:54 | NeoTron | "max" time per frame has come down from about 12 ms to 3 ms |
| 07:25:03 | NeoTron | no, the mask is calculated |
| 07:25:08 | whardier | neat |
| 07:25:23 | NeoTron | oh, 3) never use intermediate QImage objects which I did for scaled stuff before |
| 07:25:30 | whardier | I bet a 4bit mask would be just as fine as a 1 bit |
| 07:25:33 | NeoTron | now I have a QPixmap cache instead of QImage |
| 07:25:50 | NeoTron | afaik, QT has 8 bit (alpha buffer) and 1 bit (mask) |
| 07:25:54 | whardier | doh |
| 07:26:07 | whardier | I want png compatable display libraries |
| 07:26:17 | whardier | so we can have 32bit alpha masks |
| 07:26:17 | whardier | heh |
| 07:27:01 | NeoTron | this is very nice |
| 07:27:12 | whardier | yeah I bet :) |
| 07:27:13 | NeoTron | before it took up to 200 ms on an ipaq to redraw one frame |
| 07:27:31 | whardier | I wish H.323 were non udp based at all |
| 07:27:39 | NeoTron | calculated time for such a frame now would be about... (200 * 3 / 10.0) |
| 07:27:40 | whardier | it would be a lot easier to route |
| 07:27:41 | NeoTron | or so |
| 07:27:53 | NeoTron | sugar what is 200 * 3 / 10.0 |
| 07:27:55 | Sugar | It's 60.000000. |
| 07:28:00 | NeoTron | sugar what is 200 * 3 / 12.0 |
| 07:28:02 | Sugar | It's 50.000000. |
| 07:28:05 | whardier | heh |
| 07:28:05 | NeoTron | something liek that |
| 07:28:13 | NeoTron | not great but acceptable |
| 07:28:31 | NeoTron | considering I now use 20 fps as the wanted speed |
| 07:28:37 | NeoTron | and I can lower that too of course |
| 07:28:38 | whardier | brb |
| 07:29:56 | NeoTron | The other optimization I can make now is to use dirty rectangles |
| 07:30:06 | NeoTron | I now redraw the entire tile |
| 07:30:29 | NeoTron | the time for that isn't large but it's a constant 0.5 - 0.7 ms |
| 07:45:02 | whardier | redraw the entire array of tiles? |
| 07:45:14 | whardier | couldn't you just draw dirty tiles :) |
| 07:45:30 | whardier | err nevermind.. your sprites go outside the tiles |
| 07:45:58 | whardier | I usually get a HUGE boost after switching to dirty rectangles |
| 07:47:55 | whardier | hmm.. I need to make an ESD proxy/switchboard |
| 07:48:52 | NeoTron | whardier: well, that is what I do now |
| 07:49:07 | NeoTron | that's the "static" tile pixmap |
| 07:49:27 | NeoTron | however in animation, I don't check the areas of the animations |
| 07:49:40 | NeoTron | I'd have to redraw all "old" locations and then redraw the anims |
| 07:50:07 | NeoTron | and you'd have to keep some threshold for that because redrawing 50 small areas might be slower than redrawing one big |
| 08:00:32 | NeoTron | ah, that's faster :-P |
| 08:01:56 | fusion94 | is back (gone 02:00:44) |
| 08:10:14 | NeoTron | whardier: I now repaint only what needs to be painted. Works. :P |
| 08:11:10 | NeoTron | and saves another 300-500 µs / frame |
| 08:11:43 | NeoTron | hmm. maybe not |
| 08:11:48 | NeoTron | checks his timing |
| 08:12:52 | NeoTron | it's a tossup. Sometimes faster sometimes slower |
| 08:14:47 | scanline | is away: ZzZzZzzzzzzzzz |
| 08:16:19 | NeoTron | on average about 200 ms faster |
| 08:17:53 | kendrick2 | fast? |
| 08:17:57 | kendrick2 | damn |
| 08:18:05 | kendrick2 | anyone build x11 for arm? :) |
| 08:18:09 | kendrick2 | didn't think so (except fastolfe :) ) |
| 08:20:00 | NeoTron | heh |
| 08:20:29 | kendrick2 | i grabbed source & patch from him, did "make World" and "make", but make is failing WRT libz or something |
| 08:20:54 | kendrick2 | hmm... Atari800 for iPaq |
| 08:21:01 | kendrick2 | I must test on z this evening, if possible >:^) |
| 08:22:46 | kendrick2 | anyone here in the bay area? |
| 08:22:52 | kendrick2 | or, uh, near? |
| 08:24:21 | kendrick2 | 'guess not |
| 08:25:45 | kendrick2 | http://c0r3.dsh.cz/iPAQ/atari/ |
| 08:31:26 | kendrick2 | woah - not properly moutning /mnt/cf !? |
| 08:31:41 | kendrick2 | oh FUCK :) |
| 08:31:44 | kendrick2 | stupid busybox :) |
| 08:31:48 | kendrick2 | ls /mnt/cf shows "/mnt/cf" |
| 08:31:57 | kendrick2 | while ls /mnt/cf/ shows CONTENTS of "/mnt/cf" |
| 08:32:00 | kendrick2 | whew! |
| 08:42:47 | kendrick2 | damn - fb stuff for ipaq :( |
| 08:43:08 | kendrick2 | gives up & heads to bed |
| 08:43:09 | kendrick2 | g'nite |
| 09:00:36 | NeoTron | purrrfect |
| 09:17:34 | NeoTron | is away: sleep |
| 13:12:12 | icefox2 | The list get posted yet? |
| 13:54:46 | ][N-Flux | is away: work... |
| 14:37:35 | bipolar | is back (gone 13:07:50) |
| 14:53:11 | sieve | is back (gone 39:17:21) |
| 15:07:30 | weimer | is away: I'm busy |
| 15:24:50 | mandrake | hrmm |
| 15:24:57 | mandrake | when are we going to find out who won 3rd place? |
| 15:26:37 | mandrake | hehe |
| 15:27:23 | ljp_ | from the way they have run it so far.. they'll announce they they will postpone announcing it... |
| 15:27:31 | mandrake | heh |
| 15:27:37 | mandrake | from what I understood they were actually done judging |
| 15:28:15 | ljp_ | I know I would not like to be in their place. |
| 15:28:38 | ljp_ | too many good programs probably |
| 15:29:09 | mandrake | I just really need to win 3rd place, I need another zaurus for development as the 2 I am using are rarely in the office |
| 15:29:12 | finkployd | I hope one of them is an AOL/ICQ instant messanger :) |
| 15:29:15 | warmi | ljp" why not ... they just gained tons of good apps for their platform ..possibly enough to overcome ussuall 22-catch |
| 15:29:51 | warmi | finkployf: I thought there was already program like that available for Z |
| 15:31:02 | finkployd | warmi: The only one is thekompany's jabber client, and although jabber IS the best IM out there, I still need AOL/ICQ until I can convince my contacts to switch |
| 15:31:53 | ljp_ | I really need to win, cause I'm tired of lugging the cradle back and forth to work |
| 15:32:16 | ljp_ | I wish the winners would get a 5500 |
| 15:32:42 | finkployd | heh. Sharp really should be selling additional cradles to developers. They would probably sell more than they realize |
| 15:33:31 | finkployd | perlowj: you know zauruszone.com is returning 500 internal servers? |
| 15:34:11 | ljp_ | I'd rather just have something to plug in to where the cradle connection is, so I can open up the keyboard |
| 15:34:53 | finkployd | is it true that the Z charges better if you plug it directly into the power cord rather than going through the cradle? |
| 15:36:03 | ljp_ | I dunno, th eonly time I ever have it plugged in when not in the cradle, is when I'm flashing a rom |
| 15:46:34 | finkployd | I though jason said something to that effect a while ago when I was bitching about battery life |
| 15:46:35 | sieve | mornin folks |
| 15:46:42 | finkployd | morning |
| 15:51:47 | tgall_pda | morning |
| 16:07:54 | jperlow-sharp | hey dudes. |
| 16:08:07 | jperlow-sharp | does anyone know who wrote the "eDict" program for Zaurus |
| 16:08:12 | jperlow-sharp | I am trying to track down the author |
| 16:08:24 | mandrake | jperlow-sharp: does this mean that we're going to find out the winners shortly? |
| 16:08:32 | jperlow-sharp | yes very |
| 16:08:35 | mandrake | yay |
| 16:08:39 | jperlow-sharp | I am the one holding it up unfortunately |
| 16:08:48 | mandrake | will we get to see screenshots of the applications that won? |
| 16:08:50 | mandrake | (say yes) |
| 16:08:54 | jperlow-sharp | the other two judges sent in their nominations, I have not yet |
| 16:09:00 | jperlow-sharp | mine are due at 5pm today |
| 16:09:23 | finkployd | jperlow-sharp: were you the one telling me earlier that the Z would charge better plugged into the cord directly rather than through the cradle? |
| 16:09:30 | jperlow-sharp | yes |
| 16:09:44 | mandrake | http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~jwb/j_updates.html |
| 16:09:51 | warmi | so we safely say that eDict author won :-) |
| 16:10:05 | jperlow-sharp | er no actually that is not related to that announement |
| 16:10:14 | mandrake | jperlow-sharp: looks like I see |
| 16:10:18 | jperlow-sharp | this is related to getting permission to use his app at CEBIT |
| 16:10:20 | mandrake | 'zaurus edict port' on this guys page. |
| 16:10:49 | finkployd | is there any reason why the cradle couldn't be designed recharge the Z directly through the adaptor socket then? It seems silly not to if that is the better way of charging it... |
| 16:11:13 | tgall_pda | jperlow-sharp: say ... do you know (or maybe you're the guy) who is doing the kernel work for the collie? |
| 16:11:16 | finkployd | there should be a "to" somewhere in that first sentance :) |
| 16:11:36 | jperlow-sharp | where was edict posted initally |
| 16:12:05 | ljp_ | tgall: kernel is done by lineo |
| 16:12:27 | finkployd | and for that matter, how is that a better way to charge? what is the difference exactaly? |
| 16:12:32 | ljp_ | Fastolfe works for lineo, and he might know |
| 16:12:41 | mandrake | jperlow-sharp: hold on |
| 16:12:45 | mandrake | jperlow-sharp: If ound it |
| 16:13:09 | tgall_pda | jperlow-sharp: Jim Breen by the looks of it (according to goolge) |
| 16:13:21 | mandrake | http://zaurus.rump-net.de/ |
| 16:14:30 | jperlow-sharp | ok |
| 16:14:58 | warmi | is it japanesse dictionary ? |
| 16:15:12 | jperlow-sharp | no its english |
| 16:15:34 | jperlow-sharp | its a net dict.org client |
| 16:15:36 | jperlow-sharp | cool program |
| 16:15:46 | whardier | hi |
| 16:15:47 | jperlow-sharp | except it has no help info indicating the author |
| 16:16:34 | warmi | anybody has logs of this channel ? |
| 16:16:40 | warmi | he was once here showing his app |
| 16:16:40 | mandrake | only edict things on zaurus I see are japaneese dictionary and Jim Breen being the author. |
| 16:17:39 | whardier | wjp |
| 16:17:41 | whardier | err |
| 16:17:41 | whardier | who |
| 16:17:50 | whardier | warmi what would I search for real quick? |
| 16:17:52 | jperlow-sharp | whats weird is the dictionaries he talks about are for the japanese zaurus, not the linux based one |
| 16:17:52 | ljp_ | edict control file: David Hedbor <david@hedbor.org> |
| 16:18:05 | jperlow-sharp | ah. |
| 16:18:08 | jperlow-sharp | Neo |
| 16:18:24 | whardier | what app do you want of his? |
| 16:18:39 | jperlow-sharp | I need his permission for something |
| 16:18:45 | whardier | ah |
| 16:25:42 | weimer | is away: I'm busy |
| 16:28:22 | warmi | whardier: search for dict.org |
| 16:28:37 | warmi | I remember his mentioned that it was dict.org client |
| 16:28:45 | warmi | I mean he mentioned |
| 16:35:57 | whardier | telnet dict.org 2628 |
| 16:36:04 | whardier | thats about it |
| 16:38:03 | warmi | well, I remember he posted URL to some screenshoots of his app and talked about how it uses dict.org etc ... |
| 16:38:17 | perlowj | I get to make a fool out of myself in the sybase webcast today |
| 16:39:36 | mandrake | perlowj: so did you send in your nominations? |
| 16:39:45 | mandrake | I'm hoping we find out before 5pm today |
| 16:40:25 | warmi | come on Mandrake .. you already have one zaurus :-) |
| 16:42:05 | ljp_ | well, maybe he needs two- one for home and one for work! or one for the left pocket and one for the right |
| 16:42:50 | NeoTron | hmm |
| 16:42:52 | NeoTron | hey all |
| 16:43:07 | warmi | hi |
| 16:43:26 | NeoTron | edict currently lives on the nice URL http://david.hedbor.org/tmp/edict.html |
| 16:43:39 | | OK, NeoTron. |
| 16:43:39 | NeoTron | ibot edict is http://david.hedbor.org/tmp/edict.html |
| 16:43:47 | warmi | there you go :-) |
| 16:43:54 | warmi | mystery solved |
| 16:45:15 | perlowj | neo I sent you email |
| 16:45:19 | ljp_ | heh I already solved it by lookin gat the control file for the ipkg |
| 16:45:20 | NeoTron | perlowj: noticed |
| 16:45:38 | perlowj | NeoTron: mitchy asks that you fix the cannot close app issue |
| 16:46:07 | NeoTron | perlowj: the issue with it restarting or poppup back up or what not? |
| 16:46:18 | perlowj | yes |
| 16:46:24 | NeoTron | if I had any clue why... |
| 16:46:34 | NeoTron | I exit(0) my app so I have no clue why it comes back. :-( |
| 16:46:40 | perlowj | neo do you have a qtopia device? |
| 16:46:43 | NeoTron | what could start it by itself? |
| 16:47:04 | warmi | hehehe |
| 16:47:26 | NeoTron | perlowj: nope |
| 16:47:34 | NeoTron | and it doesn't do it on the desktop. :P |
| 16:48:48 | ishmal | anyone here use sdl much? wondering about its capabilities as a 2d graphics engine |
| 16:49:11 | NeoTron | perlowj: my only guess so far as been something related to QCop messages |
| 16:49:14 | NeoTron | or something |
| 16:50:09 | NeoTron | anyhow. taking a shower bbiab |
| 16:50:50 | ishmal | was considering whether it might be a good graphics base for a try at an svg player |
| 16:57:40 | mandrake | heh |
| 16:58:04 | ishmal | building the free-x11 version of Qt3.0.2, noticed a couple of minor ansi compile probs |
| 16:58:11 | mandrake | If there were a way to compile SDL applications for Qtopia that would rock. |
| 16:58:15 | mandrake | because I'm building some sdl apps right now |
| 16:58:39 | mandrake | that would be nice to have on the zaurus |
| 16:58:43 | ishmal | i think the DirectFB part does, dont know about the rest |
| 16:59:58 | ishmal | but sdl, as a nice portable media platform, would be really nice, people could compile/debug on a workstation, then port to Qtopia |
| 17:01:25 | sjohnson | is away: I'm busy |
| 17:01:45 | NeoTron | mandrake: I use SDL sound/mixing support now. Plan to fix a Qtopia backend too |
| 17:02:28 | ishmal | i mostly would need layered graphics with transforms, and alpha, but sound eventually |
| 17:03:28 | ishmal | maybe adobe will make an svg player for Qtopia |
| 17:03:32 | NeoTron | ishmal: well, sound works great (I use mixing and mod-playing) |
| 17:04:15 | ishmal | hmm |
| 17:04:23 | NeoTron | anyhow. I'm going to work sometime today, namely now. Will be around in about an hour |
| 17:04:26 | NeoTron | is away: gone to work |
| 17:04:30 | ishmal | hopefully this solaris build of qt3.0.2 wont crash |
| 17:06:02 | ishmal | something in text rendering was killing all of the examples in the last attempt |
| 17:06:19 | ishmal | works fine on linux and irix, tho |
| 17:07:25 | ishmal | oops |
| 17:07:29 | ishmal | forget irix |
| 17:07:42 | ishmal | 'uic' seems to be very crashable on all platforms |
| 17:09:17 | ishmal | and there goes linux, too |
| 17:09:38 | ishmal | 100% failure rate :-) at least we are consistent ? |
| 17:13:39 | ishmal | at least the libs and .h's are ok, except for solaris , that's all i need |
| 17:14:16 | ishmal | reason i'm building Qt everywhere, if i can run our app on all of these machines, -one- of them will be the Z |
| 17:15:04 | ishmal | now if i can find an Alpha/Tru64 |
| 17:17:40 | ljp_work | hmm.. someones having problems |
| 17:26:16 | | ljp_work: i'm not following you... |
| 17:26:16 | ljp_work | ibot: whardier needs to wake up |
| 17:52:23 | Neo|Work | is @ work. |
| 17:52:40 | Neo|Work | is away: I'm busy |
| 17:52:55 | Neo|Work | is back (gone 00:00:00) |
| 17:53:23 | Neo|Work | whardier: g'day |
| 17:53:57 | ljp_work | neo: whardier's freakin out.. you'll see |
| 17:54:28 | Neo|Work | i noticed now |
| 17:54:40 | ljp_work | someone needs to slap him |
| 17:55:26 | Neo|Work | it's funny when you speak / write emails in English to a guy also living in the US but which also is a swede |
| 17:55:56 | fusion94 | lutefisk ? |
| 17:55:58 | fusion94 | hides |
| 17:56:30 | Neo|Work | oh yuck. :P |
| 17:56:50 | Neo|Work | people knowing me knows that I generally don't like certain... uhm.. traditional swedish food |
| 17:56:53 | fusion94 | that stuff is just rancid |
| 17:56:54 | Neo|Work | that being one of the things |
| 17:57:36 | Neo|Work | fish, especially not-quite-dead, raw or VERY DEAD but uncooked aren't on my top 1000 things to eat |
| 17:57:52 | Neo|Work | sugar heard mark_ |
| 17:57:53 | Sugar | is away: I'm busy |
| 18:07:28 | whardier | hi! |
| 18:07:36 | Neo|Work | hey |
| 18:07:36 | whardier | you know whats sick and wrong |
| 18:07:44 | whardier | I just replaced my firewall |
| 18:07:51 | whardier | and my tcp/ip connections are still going |
| 18:07:55 | whardier | bah |
| 18:08:06 | whardier | ssh has some scary redundancy |
| 18:08:12 | whardier | thats what I think anyways |
| 18:08:53 | ljp_work | we thought you were on some freakin trip or something |
| 18:09:20 | whardier | nn eitic e |
| 18:09:29 | ljp_work | couldn't make up your mind |
| 18:10:06 | whardier | os |
| 18:10:11 | whardier | damn |
| 18:10:15 | whardier | sorry folks |
| 18:10:49 | ljp_work | :D |
| 18:14:19 | scanline | is back (gone 09:59:33) |
| 18:15:13 | whardier | how do I put a permenant hold on a package in debian? |
| 18:15:51 | ljp_work | rm |
| 18:19:31 | whardier | err |
| 18:20:55 | altered | >>> The winners of the beta submission will be announced on Monday, March 4. <<< |
| 18:21:09 | ljp_work | 5pm |
| 18:21:10 | altered | Is Trolltech pulling our legs agin? |
| 18:21:18 | ljp_work | after 5pm |
| 18:21:24 | altered | 5pm where? |
| 18:21:33 | ljp_work | East coast USA |
| 18:21:55 | Neo|Work | altered: you had a submission? might I ask what? |
| 18:22:04 | Neo|Work | btw, anyone want to try a new eligo which should kick ass? :P |
| 18:23:18 | ishmal | gets the Pooper Scooper for the Qt coredump |
| 18:24:05 | ishmal | hopefully the examples will run |
| 18:24:09 | fusion94 | kills his neighbors |
| 18:24:23 | altered | ljp: is 5pm official word? |
| 18:24:41 | ljp_work | no, that's just when Jason said his thing was due |
| 18:24:42 | altered | NeoTron: http://jamesconrad.org/stash |
| 18:25:33 | Neo|Work | 020304 8:11:29 Sugar SEEN TALK jperlow-sharp jperlow-sharp "mine are due at 5pm |
| 18:25:33 | Neo|Work | today" #zaurus |
| 18:25:53 | Neo|Work | altered: ah, cool. seen that one before. |
| 18:26:24 | Neo|Work | I wish I was orginized enough to do tracking of assets like that. :P |
| 18:27:45 | ishmal | yaay, it works this time |
| 18:35:26 | | OK, Neo|Work. |
| 18:35:26 | Neo|Work | ibot neotron is also http://david.hedbor.org |
| 18:35:29 | | neotron is http://david.hedbor.org |
| 18:35:29 | Neo|Work | ibot: neotron |
| 18:35:35 | | okay, Neo|Work. |
| 18:35:35 | Neo|Work | ibot neotron is also http://eongames.com/ |
| 18:35:36 | | well, neotron is http://david.hedbor.org or http://eongames.com/ |
| 18:35:36 | Neo|Work | ibot: neotron |
| 18:36:12 | ishmal | hmm ... illegal instruction in qt_format_text() i smell a bug |
| 18:36:54 | Aelfweld | silly question. anyone used the usbnet on windows(1.1x rom) to surf the web or whatever? I don't have linux at work but wanted to try some browser stuff here |
| 18:37:23 | Aelfweld | first pass installing linux on a usb/firewire drive for my laptop wa a bust |
| 18:39:14 | ishmal | ack unfortunately, that function is almost 300 lines |
| 18:39:41 | Neo|Work | ishmal: is this on x86 or arm |
| 18:40:17 | sjohnson | is back (gone 01:38:52) |
| 18:40:38 | ishmal | no, this is just Qt on a sparc solaris box; i need to get it to work on several workstations, if the big guys are to be satisfied with me using Qt, esp for the Z |
| 18:41:04 | ljp_work | Neo: did you do eDict? |
| 18:44:34 | ishmal | i wish that Qt had some -g stuff in it ;) |
| 18:44:53 | ishmal | quit |
| 18:44:56 | ishmal | ack |
| 18:44:59 | ishmal | brb |
| 18:46:10 | icefox2 | Did the list of beta apps that passed get put up yet? |
| 18:46:18 | Neo|Work | ljp_work: indeed |
| 18:46:43 | Neo|Work | icefox2: no. Jason said something about him being the last judge and having a 5 PM EST deadline |
| 18:46:50 | ljp_work | Did Jason Perlow get ahold of you yet? |
| 18:46:56 | Neo|Work | ljp_work: yeps |
| 18:47:08 | Neo|Work | cebit stuff |
| 18:47:36 | icefox2 | yah |
| 18:47:55 | icefox2 | for the "your app will be deminstrated..." thing? |
| 18:49:12 | Neo|Work | icefox2: yeah |
| 18:49:30 | Neo|Work | icefox2: I'm sure I've asked, but what's your app(s)? |
| 18:49:43 | icefox2 | Kinkatta-lite, whats yours? |
| 18:50:27 | Neo|Work | Eligo |
| 18:50:34 | icefox2 | What does it do? |
| 18:51:20 | Neo|Work | game, puzzle, like Lines but with more features / game types |
| 18:51:23 | fusion94 | kicks sourceforge |
| 18:51:35 | | OK, Neo|Work. |
| 18:51:35 | Neo|Work | ibot Eligo is http://eongames.com/games/eligo/ |
| 18:51:36 | icefox2 | ah cool |
| 18:51:57 | Neo|Work | also have eDict which isn't part of the contest. It's a DICT (internet dictionary protocol) client |
| 18:53:36 | icefox2 | Know of any other good apps? |
| 18:54:26 | Neo|Work | I wouldn't really know since I don't have any Qtopia device to run / test stuff on |
| 18:56:00 | icefox2 | ah |
| 18:56:17 | icefox2 | I myself need to get a flash to upgrade the rom to decrease the bin size |
| 18:57:41 | Aelfweld | the patch to install the filesystem to SD works nicely to free up the ram |
| 19:04:58 | weimer | is back (gone 02:39:16) |
| 19:05:58 | MEGASTeP | is back (gone 63:30:43) |
| 19:11:58 | kendrick2 | hey, what's the url for the zaurus screen cover speaker hack? :) |
| 19:12:39 | kendrick2 | anyone home? |
| 19:12:46 | kendrick2 | btw - the zaurus is NOT coming out in august ;) |
| 19:12:58 | kendrick2 | you can all come back now and put your iPaqs back in the drawer ;) |
| 19:12:59 | Aelfweld | I didn't think so |
| 19:13:03 | kendrick2 | that was /funny/ :) |
| 19:13:04 | Aelfweld | lol |
| 19:13:14 | kendrick2 | "my got! it's not coming out until the year 54995!" |
| 19:13:17 | kendrick2 | s/got/god/ |
| 19:13:21 | Aelfweld | jason must be busy that he didn't quash that one |
| 19:13:26 | kendrick2 | it WAS a little ambiguous ;) |
| 19:13:37 | Neo|Work | I thought it was pretty obvious that the "shipping" column meant shipping charge... :P |
| 19:13:57 | Aelfweld | oh I didn't even look |
| 19:14:16 | Neo|Work | it said "Shipping" and in a general sense it only makes sense that it's the cost not the date |
| 19:20:50 | kendrick2 | misread "and in a german sense" :) |
| 19:23:00 | kendrick2 | shawn! |
| 19:23:07 | BigBoss | wow |
| 19:23:09 | BigBoss | you are fast |
| 19:23:14 | BigBoss | what up homie? |
| 19:23:14 | kendrick2 | i had to run "e2fsck" twice this weekend :) |
| 19:23:23 | BigBoss | congratulations :) |
| 19:23:37 | kendrick2 | i'm running the sd card rom, and at one point, 'backup' seemed to not be working, so <gulp!> I cycled the power |
| 19:23:42 | kendrick2 | hee hee hee |
| 19:23:59 | kendrick2 | hey, is Open Zaurus gonna include the SD stuff, at least as an option? |
| 19:24:05 | BigBoss | you want to hear something funny? |
| 19:24:09 | kendrick2 | i don't know if i could ever live without all this free space |
| 19:24:12 | BigBoss | You know that LUG email I sent? |
| 19:24:13 | kendrick2 | bb - sure |
| 19:24:16 | kendrick2 | uh oh |
| 19:24:20 | kendrick2 | yeah? :) |
| 19:24:22 | BigBoss | 99% positive response |
| 19:24:30 | kendrick2 | and the negative? |
| 19:24:37 | BigBoss | but 1 guy says "I am totally against giving away any software that isn't free" |
| 19:24:44 | BigBoss | so I said "what is the point of giving away free software?" |
| 19:24:48 | BigBoss | no answer |
| 19:24:53 | kendrick2 | what LUG? :) |
| 19:25:34 | Neo|Work | BigBoss: haha. :P |
| 19:25:37 | BigBoss | and another guy babbled on for about 5 paragraphs about how even though I said it wasn't spam, that it was spam. I asked him why he posted his email address for the LUG contact if he didn't want to be contacted and what kind of unsolicited contact would be considered not SPAM |
| 19:26:04 | BigBoss | I mean, excuse me, I didn't mean to offer you freebies to give away - holy crap. Makes me want to chuck the whole thing |
| 19:26:16 | kendrick2 | those people are morons :) |
| 19:26:24 | BigBoss | the first guy was in florida |
| 19:26:42 | BigBoss | but out of 300 emails, those are the only 2 |
| 19:27:01 | kendrick2 | hehe :) |
| 19:27:12 | kendrick2 | so it sounds like you never mailed LUGOD tho |
| 19:27:19 | kendrick2 | we're right there on that page ;) |
| 19:28:22 | kendrick2 | lunch time! |
| 19:28:23 | kendrick2 | cya |
| 19:29:51 | BigBoss | I mailed every one on there, I got about a 25% bounce rate on the emails though |
| 19:30:29 | Neo|Work | is away: mtg |
| 19:36:29 | tux_mike | hrm... |
| 19:41:47 | Aelfweld | whatcha giving away? |
| 19:53:10 | kergoth | hey |
| 19:53:19 | Aelfweld | afternoon |
| 19:53:19 | tgall_pda | hey ya |
| 19:53:24 | fusion94 | morning |
| 19:56:41 | whardier | mornin |
| 19:56:49 | whardier | reboots firewall #2 |
| 19:57:29 | bipolar | whardier: I tried to get the java vnc viewer to work, but there is no way around the password protection. |
| 19:57:38 | bipolar | whardier: re... webcam ;) |
| 19:57:46 | whardier | 6haha |
| 19:57:50 | whardier | hmmm |
| 19:57:52 | whardier | no way around |
| 19:58:07 | whardier | hmmmm |
| 19:58:09 | whardier | there is one way |
| 19:58:18 | bipolar | whardier: Not without rewriting the java app :) |
| 19:58:27 | whardier | the tightvnc java app? |
| 19:58:30 | whardier | or some other app |
| 19:58:32 | bipolar | yeah |
| 19:58:39 | whardier | which? |
| 19:58:40 | whardier | heh |
| 19:58:46 | bipolar | The one that you can use from the browser |
| 19:58:52 | whardier | augh |
| 19:58:55 | whardier | from tightvnc? |
| 19:59:04 | whardier | or ORL? |
| 19:59:12 | bipolar | tightvnc |
| 19:59:18 | Aelfweld | damn it I did not win the zaurus |
| 19:59:27 | Aelfweld | (from the web presentation) |
| 20:00:56 | bipolar | whardier: it would be really cool to use vnc in a web page for a camera. There could be many uses for something like that. :) |
| 20:01:25 | whardier | still there peeps? |
| 20:01:27 | Twiun[Away] | I always thought the vnc protocol could be used for just that kind of stuff |
| 20:01:35 | fusion94 | whardier: no |
| 20:01:50 | bipolar | Twiun: yeah. it can. |
| 20:01:58 | whardier | hi |
| 20:02:00 | whardier | that is just sick |
| 20:02:20 | whardier | I just swapped to yet another firewall manually from a patch panel with an identical setup to the other one |
| 20:02:28 | whardier | and here I stil am |
| 20:02:29 | whardier | sick |
| 20:02:30 | whardier | and |
| 20:02:31 | whardier | twisted |
| 20:03:17 | whardier | err |
| 20:03:34 | mandrake | Aelf-AFK: ? |
| 20:05:16 | mandrake | where is this 'web presentation' thing? |
| 20:08:12 | Neo|Work | anyone watched that thing (it's over now right?) |
| 20:08:38 | Twiun | From what I caught at the end it was pretty much public information |
| 20:09:00 | mandrake | er |
| 20:09:07 | mandrake | what/where/how? |
| 20:09:25 | Neo|Work | I believe http://www.sybase.com/java_webcast is what's being discussed |
| 20:09:43 | Twiun | That's the one - it was mentionned in an email a while back |
| 20:09:54 | mandrake | oh |
| 20:09:58 | Twiun | Just got home in time for slide 40 of 49 *rofl* |
| 20:10:09 | mandrake | it's not the webcast talking about the contest |
| 20:10:13 | mandrake | okay who cares ;) |
| 20:10:18 | mandrake | whew |
| 20:10:23 | Neo|Work | mandrake: ah. Then I know nothing yet. :P |
| 20:10:24 | Twiun | comforts mandrake. |
| 20:10:31 | Twiun | Same here, sorry |
| 20:10:50 | Neo|Work | except Jason's 5pm EST deadline |
| 20:11:01 | mandrake | I thought he was done and just hadn't turned them in |
| 20:11:06 | mandrake | (lazy bastard) |
| 20:11:28 | mandrake | the version I'm turning in for the final product is 10x as nice as the beta was. |
| 20:11:45 | mandrake | now my reader has bookmarks, preferences, uses the buttons on the front of the zaurus for control, etc |
| 20:12:32 | mandrake | sadly the multi-voice one is huge so you don't get to see how easy it is to add new voices and change the current voice, etc. |
| 20:12:38 | mandrake | suffice it to say it is easy =) |
| 20:12:45 | Neo|Work | heh |
| 20:13:03 | Neo|Work | Eligo has certainly improved a lot from the first beta that I submitted. :P |
| 20:13:05 | Fastolfe|GoingGoingGone | whardier: http://vnccam.sourceforge.net/ |
| 20:13:08 | Fastolfe|GoingGoingGone | oops |
| 20:13:38 | mandrake | my app also looks a lot nicer than it used to. I cleaned up the look a lot. |
| 20:15:33 | Neo|Work | got any recent shots? |
| 20:15:38 | ljp_work | thinks Sharp should give away Zaurus' to all contestants |
| 20:16:24 | mandrake | hrmm |
| 20:16:26 | mandrake | I can MAKE one =) |
| 20:16:46 | Neo|Work | ljp_work: hehe. :) |
| 20:17:44 | warmi_work | 1000 of them ... that is a lot of money , you know ljp |
| 20:18:14 | Neo|Work | anyone know the number of entries? |
| 20:18:23 | Neo|Work | or approximate number |
| 20:21:14 | weimer | Is there a birthday Manager for zaurus? |
| 20:22:52 | whardier | sorry guys |
| 20:23:28 | tux_mike | you can make one based on Contact |
| 20:23:48 | bipolar | hmmm.... vnccam is not exactly what I'm looking for. |
| 20:23:49 | weimer | tux_mike: So there is currently none? |
| 20:24:46 | mandrake | Neo|Work: http://mandrake.net/images/kutabi.20020304.jpg |
| 20:24:50 | tux_mike | not afaik |
| 20:25:25 | weimer | OK, I'm about to build one |
| 20:25:41 | tux_mike | weimer: do you know how to use contact? |
| 20:26:17 | tux_mike | weimer: what you could do is add an entry into the calendar, baised on the birthday in the contact |
| 20:26:42 | Neo|Work | mandrake: cool. looks nice :) |
| 20:26:44 | warmi_work | mandrake: your app should end up being part of Qtopia , preferably as some sort of system available API so any program can make use of it :-) |
| 20:27:11 | weimer | tux_mike: That's my intention |
| 20:27:17 | mandrake | warmi_work: sadly it costs us a lot of money to build these voices. |
| 20:27:24 | tux_mike | weimer: cool |
| 20:27:31 | mandrake | and to make the engine. |
| 20:27:34 | weimer | tux_mike: I will start after cebit |
| 20:27:37 | Neo|Work | not to mention that it uses a lot of space for general use too. :) |
| 20:27:46 | tux_mike | weimer: ok, when is cebit? |
| 20:27:53 | warmi_work | I know: this is all assuming Qtopia and Zaurus are commecrially sucesfull .. they could license it |
| 20:27:53 | weimer | tux_mike: 13.-20.3. |
| 20:28:09 | mandrake | Neo|Work: we're working on building much smaller versions. and if it were included on the zaurus's built-in rom that would not be an issue. |
| 20:28:37 | tux_mike | ok, my changes to contact will be in there by then, granted they work without problem |
| 20:28:39 | warmi_work | after all that is your intention right ? to have people license your stuff |
| 20:28:43 | mandrake | the version I intend to be submitting to the final contest is probably only going to be around 10 mb |
| 20:28:52 | mandrake | warmi_work: yes. hence why you should talk to sharp =) |
| 20:30:02 | warmi_work | no, you should talk the them :-) |
| 20:30:24 | warmi_work | but I am sure your sale folks are busy doing just that |
| 20:34:27 | Aelf-AFK | Neo I watched the webcast |
| 20:34:37 | Neo|Work | Aelf-AFK: anything interesting? |
| 20:34:45 | Aelf-AFK | they said 2000 entries(for the sdk) and 200 apllications turned in for judging |
| 20:34:56 | Aelfweld | half interesting |
| 20:35:11 | ljp_work | oh good, my chances are better than I thought |
| 20:35:12 | Aelfweld | really it just sounds a lot like j2ee with a different cleint |
| 20:35:25 | Aelfweld | thier connector thing has some interesting sounding features |
| 20:35:39 | Aelfweld | statesaving to an enterprise backend sort of thing |
| 20:36:12 | Aelfweld | the questions were mostly related to the z not the java which was amusing. I wonder if jason was fielding them |
| 20:36:29 | Aelfweld | I didn't stay through the whole verbal q/a just the web part |
| 20:36:32 | Neo|Work | Aelfweld: wowk, lots or more entires and apps |
| 20:36:36 | Aelfweld | and long enough to find out I didn't win the z |
| 20:36:55 | Neo|Work | hehe |
| 20:37:01 | Neo|Work | they had one to give away? |
| 20:37:06 | warmi_work | 2000 entries for trolltech contest ? |
| 20:37:12 | Aelfweld | yeah |
| 20:37:17 | Aelfweld | but only 200 followed through |
| 20:37:27 | Aelfweld | or so they indicated |
| 20:37:36 | Aelfweld | also said there would be a java one soon |
| 20:37:53 | warmi_work | whoa ... what does it have to do with Sybase anyway ? |
| 20:38:00 | ljp_work | or maybe only 200 could get through on their server! |
| 20:38:12 | Aelfweld | the jeode java is by a sybase company |
| 20:38:38 | Aelfweld | or something like that |
| 20:38:51 | warmi_work | hell, I am confused here .... so what does it have to do with Qtopia ... ? |
| 20:38:54 | warmi_work | :-) |
| 20:39:33 | Aelfweld | it has to do with the zaurus as a target for mobile java smart apps |
| 20:40:28 | Aelfweld | I wish I had entered the contest merely because qpe free is a bitch so far to compile |
| 20:41:09 | Aelfweld | getting the sdk rpm would have been nice |
| 20:41:36 | warmi_work | not bad for Qtopia ... 2000 aps |
| 20:41:36 | kergoth | Aelfweld: ? qpe isnt hard to compile.. you building from cvs? |
| 20:41:49 | Aelfweld | I got the tgz off sf yeas |
| 20:41:58 | Aelfweld | but I didn't know I ndeed qt-embedded2.3.2 |
| 20:42:08 | Aelfweld | which there are no rpms for that I saw |
| 20:42:12 | Aelfweld | so i have to start over |
| 20:42:21 | kergoth | you're best off building both qt/e and qtopia from source. |
| 20:42:40 | Aelfweld | yeah thats what I found out. jsut haven't tired yet |
| 20:42:44 | kergoth | Aelfweld: opie.handhelds.org |
| 20:42:45 | Aelfweld | tried |
| 20:42:52 | kergoth | Aelfweld: the instructions are the same for opie as they are for qtopia. read up |
| 20:42:54 | kergoth | Aelfweld: :-) |
| 20:43:01 | Aelfweld | cool thanks |
| 20:43:13 | Aelfweld | covers cross compiling? |
| 20:43:34 | kergoth | Aelfweld: well, read the writeup Jason did on setting up a crosscompilation env first. |
| 20:43:49 | Aelfweld | yeah I got that setup easy o) |
| 20:43:54 | kergoth | cool |
| 20:43:55 | kergoth | then you're set |
| 20:43:56 | Aelfweld | handy script btw |
| 20:44:05 | warmi_work | NeoWork: I wonder how many of these entries are games .... |
| 20:44:08 | kergoth | just follow the opie build instructions.. same procedure for opie and qtopia |
| 20:44:11 | warmi_work | :-) |
| 20:44:16 | scanline | is away: class |
| 20:44:27 | Aelfweld | I'll try that tonight if I get a chance |
| 20:44:51 | Aelfweld | then I will write the killer app for the programmers here.. be afraid.. tn3270 ;) |
| 20:45:00 | Aelfweld | or maybe just cross complie xtn3270 |
| 20:45:04 | kergoth | Aelfweld: eww |
| 20:45:11 | kergoth | heheh |
| 20:45:15 | Aelfweld | hehe |
| 20:45:50 | Aelfweld | well there are 100 mf asembly lang programmers here who wouldn't mind taking a pda instead of a laptop on vacation for quick looks |
| 20:46:19 | kergoth | ah true that |
| 20:46:32 | kergoth | the zaurus seems to be fitting a lot of such niches |
| 20:47:34 | Aelfweld | yeah |
| 20:48:00 | Aelfweld | they keyboard and the slots are what make it I think |
| 20:48:15 | Aelfweld | plus the flexability of linux as an open platform |
| 20:48:16 | kergoth | Aelfweld: definately. |
| 20:50:25 | kendrick2 | re |
| 20:50:35 | Aelfweld | ok time for me to ditch work |
| 21:08:44 | kendrick2 | re |
| 21:09:04 | Neo|Work | kendrick2: yo. |
| 21:09:40 | kendrick2 | kicks netscape |
| 21:10:26 | kendrick2 | kills netscape |
| 21:10:34 | Neo|Work | hehe |
| 21:10:43 | Neo|Work | I use mozilla these days, except for some stupid sites |
| 21:10:45 | ljp_work | stopped using netscape |
| 21:10:48 | kendrick2 | uses konq at home |
| 21:10:53 | kendrick2 | except to print >:^( |
| 21:12:29 | kendrick2 | :( i up amazon.com donation thingies on my newbreedsoftware.com site, and nobody's donated anything yet |
| 21:12:53 | kendrick2 | s/i up/i set up an/ (that was odd) |
| 21:14:39 | kendrick2 | http://www.nokia.com/phones/9290/ |
| 21:14:44 | kendrick2 | it's a phone! it's a clamshell pc! |
| 21:18:09 | bipolar_away | is away: I'm not here... Really.... |
| 21:28:10 | Neo|Work | altered: gday |
| 21:30:10 | altered | hello. |
| 21:39:39 | tux_mike | gah! |
| 21:39:43 | tux_mike | stupid server |
| 21:41:51 | altered | is it 5pm yet? <g> |
| 21:41:59 | tux_mike | nope |
| 21:42:12 | kendrick2 | only 1:45 here |
| 21:42:17 | kendrick2 | oh shit - reminds me - must turn in hours |
| 21:42:21 | tux_mike | 3:45 |
| 21:42:35 | ljp_work | its almost 5 in New Jersey |
| 21:42:56 | Neo|Work | in like 15 minutes it will be. :P |
| 21:44:59 | ljp_work | I bet they announce that the announcement has been delayed |
| 21:45:11 | Neo|Work | heh |
| 21:45:18 | kendrick2 | what's this? |
| 21:45:20 | kendrick2 | announcement? |
| 21:46:38 | kendrick2 | anyone got the url handy for the speaker-on-the-screen-cover hack someone didD??? |
| 21:46:45 | ljp_work | they are supposed to announce the beta winners sometime today |
| 21:47:38 | ljp_work | http://155.41.134.145/zaurus/ |
| 21:47:39 | kendrick2 | oh! :) |
| 21:47:48 | kendrick2 | thanks :) |
| 21:47:57 | kendrick2 | emails author of zaurus review who didn't like the cover ;) |
| 21:47:57 | ljp_work | or instructions? |
| 21:49:28 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:49:38 | kergoth | someone should produce a professional ver of that hack and sell them |
| 21:50:33 | kendrick2 | indeed! |
| 21:50:35 | kendrick2 | i'd be all over it! |
| 21:50:55 | kendrick2 | i'd be afraid to put that one (the current hacked on) in my pocket ;) |
| 21:51:01 | kendrick2 | but a prof-made one would rule :) |
| 21:51:48 | kendrick2 | is that cover from some other pda? |
| 21:51:56 | kendrick2 | (the blue part) .. it looks like it is |
| 21:52:16 | kendrick2 | lost his stylus :( |
| 21:52:18 | kendrick2 | or it's at home |
| 21:52:55 | mandrake | hrmm |
| 21:53:03 | mandrake | that has a speaker on it, too |
| 21:53:04 | mandrake | cool |
| 21:53:46 | kendrick2 | i wonder how much better the zaurus & qtopia stuff would be if they were designed /together/ |
| 21:54:06 | Neo|Work | what do you mean? |
| 21:54:17 | mandrake | I don't know I think it's coming together nicely. |
| 21:54:23 | mandrake | the zaurus behaves a lot better than my ipaqs do |
| 21:54:27 | kendrick2 | well, the hardware (button layout, for example) seems to be directly from the japanese model |
| 21:54:37 | kendrick2 | oh, i'm not saying it's not good |
| 21:54:45 | kendrick2 | i'm just wondering what they would have done differently... |
| 21:54:52 | kendrick2 | if the qtopia guys, for example, could've designed the hardware |
| 21:55:02 | mandrake | they did |
| 21:55:07 | mandrake | they designed for the casseopeia |
| 21:55:11 | mandrake | (sp?) |
| 21:55:24 | kendrick2 | designed /the/ hardware :) not /for/ the hardware |
| 21:55:39 | kendrick2 | like, would they have put a select button, or a home button? |
| 21:55:46 | kendrick2 | would they have added some other button |
| 21:55:48 | mandrake | actually the home button is pretty useful |
| 21:55:56 | mandrake | a lot more useful than I thought it would be |
| 21:56:01 | kendrick2 | it's ok, except i hit it sometimes when i play tetris |
| 21:56:02 | kendrick2 | :^( |
| 21:56:15 | kergoth | speaking of tetrix, it needs a high score display |
| 21:56:17 | kendrick2 | i /really/ like that i can navigate most anything using the buttons |
| 21:56:26 | kendrick2 | kergh - yes... and it needs to pause when it loses focus ;) |
| 21:56:30 | kergoth | that too |
| 21:56:34 | kergoth | thatd be a really simple fix too |
| 21:56:36 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:56:43 | kendrick2 | ... one thing i wish i had were a 'tab' key |
| 21:56:53 | kendrick2 | (i know there's one on the keyboard :) ) |
| 21:57:00 | Neo|Work | speaking of tetris, Qtopia needs a better tetris. :P |
| 21:57:04 | kendrick2 | (but that means i need to use my other hand, pull the slide down...) |
| 21:57:06 | kendrick2 | neo - hehehe |
| 21:57:11 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:57:12 | kendrick2 | one with eligo-style fx :) |
| 21:57:13 | kergoth | yep |
| 21:57:14 | Neo|Work | not to mention a better astroids clone. Like, for example. SDLRoids. ;-) |
| 21:57:15 | mandrake | so for external speakers I use a little box that I got from radio shack |
| 21:57:17 | mandrake | it works really well |
| 21:57:21 | kendrick2 | chants: Vectoroids! |
| 21:57:24 | kendrick2 | ;) |
| 21:57:29 | Neo|Work | battle of the roids! |
| 21:57:34 | kendrick2 | mandrake - WHAT!? WHERE!?!?!? |
| 21:57:41 | mandrake | it's bigger than the zaurus though |
| 21:57:42 | Neo|Work | Hemos could make his own roid clone - hemoroids |
| 21:57:46 | kergoth | hah |
| 21:57:47 | kendrick2 | should rename it to "Awardaroids" or "3rd-place-aroids" ;) |
| 21:57:48 | mandrake | but it works really well in meetings where I'm demoing audio. |
| 21:57:48 | kendrick2 | kids |
| 21:58:02 | kendrick2 | mandrake - oh :^( |
| 21:58:07 | kendrick2 | it has a cable, no doubt? |
| 21:58:10 | kendrick2 | not just a jack? |
| 21:58:10 | mandrake | yes it does. |
| 21:58:13 | Neo|Work | Hey, SDLRoids wasn't in the contest. I didn't write it. |
| 21:58:13 | kendrick2 | damnm |
| 21:58:19 | kendrick2 | oh ;) |
| 21:58:20 | kendrick2 | hehe |
| 21:58:20 | mandrake | but the cable gets sucked back into the device |
| 21:58:25 | kendrick2 | oooh! |
| 21:58:29 | mandrake | so it's self-contained. |
| 21:58:32 | Neo|Work | I just ported it to SDL and improved it. :P |
| 21:58:44 | kendrick2 | oh yeah :) |
| 21:58:49 | mandrake | Neo|Work: I'm starting to like SDL. |
| 21:58:55 | kendrick2 | sdl - RULES |
| 21:59:00 | kendrick2 | hey - anyone know much about zaurus touchscreen coding? |
| 21:59:18 | Neo|Work | mandrake: SDL is inded pretty nice. Once I get the Qtopia backend working it'll rock |
| 21:59:20 | Neo|Work | heh |
| 21:59:23 | Neo|Work | kendrick2: no clue. :) |
| 21:59:28 | kendrick2 | *drool* |
| 21:59:34 | kergoth | kendrick2: speaking of which, any new info on the qtopia/qt\/e support for sdl/ |
| 21:59:48 | kendrick2 | uhmmm |
| 21:59:53 | Neo|Work | kergoth: I use it for sound. :P |
| 21:59:58 | mandrake | hey look |
| 22:00:00 | mandrake | it's 5pm |
| 22:00:07 | mandrake | and jason has probably still not turned in his list. |
| 22:00:09 | kergoth | Neo|Work: hehe. yeah |
| 22:00:22 | kendrick2 | kerg - if you mean the work overcode was doing, it wasn't for qt.. it was for framebuffer |
| 22:00:23 | Neo|Work | And I plan to work on the Qtopia/QDirectPainter backend |
| 22:00:25 | kendrick2 | i'd take either, tho :) |
| 22:00:31 | kergoth | kendrick2: good point |
| 22:00:42 | kendrick2 | mandrake - which 5pm does it need to be, tho? :) |
| 22:00:45 | Neo|Work | although fb would be nice, qtopia would be nicer. :) |
| 22:00:47 | Neo|Work | kendrick2: EST |
| 22:00:49 | mandrake | kendrick2: it was EST. |
| 22:00:50 | Neo|Work | i.e now |
| 22:00:53 | warmi_work | Neo: planning to write blit code in ASM ? |
| 22:01:01 | Hellaenergy | Anyone seen the latest edition of Dr Dobb's Journel? |
| 22:01:02 | kendrick2 | fb would be good cuz it's portable to non-qtopia pdas |
| 22:01:05 | kendrick2 | like familiar |
| 22:01:10 | kendrick2 | there needs to be a wince port, too |
| 22:01:20 | Neo|Work | warmi_work: I don't know asm... :-) |
| 22:01:25 | Hellaenergy | They got an artical on QT/E and no mention of the Z :( |
| 22:01:29 | kergoth | kendrick2: it just needs to support qt. heh. |
| 22:01:30 | Neo|Work | kendrick2: there's WinCE support.. |
| 22:01:39 | kendrick2 | in sdl? |
| 22:01:41 | kendrick2 | hm |
| 22:01:45 | kendrick2 | i guess i never paid attention :) |
| 22:01:49 | Neo|Work | I believe so yes. |
| 22:01:54 | kendrick2 | i never cared about wince until i got a zaurus :) |
| 22:01:55 | Neo|Work | don't know about the completeness though |
| 22:01:59 | kendrick2 | and it's only cuz i want my games to be portable |
| 22:02:38 | kendrick2 | like... i've got madbomber just _waiting_ for SDL :) |
| 22:02:41 | mandrake | heh |
| 22:02:51 | kendrick2 | i actually played it on the zaurus |
| 22:02:59 | kendrick2 | but it was running on my desktop... i exported the display >:^) |
| 22:03:00 | mandrake | I should put a screenshot of my new vs. missile command game up soonish |
| 22:03:04 | Hellaenergy | Or Qtopia |
| 22:03:08 | kendrick2 | Let's see an iPaq do THAT, motherfuckers! |
| 22:03:10 | kendrick2 | er... sorry :) |
| 22:03:25 | mandrake | kendrick2: er, actually I export stuff from my ipaq to my desktop and vice versa. |
| 22:03:38 | kendrick2 | oh :) |
| 22:03:39 | kendrick2 | heheh |
| 22:03:54 | kendrick2 | (like, sessions, not just data, right? :) ) |
| 22:04:02 | mandrake | with a network connection |
| 22:04:05 | mandrake | it's just like any other machine |
| 22:04:18 | kendrick2 | so you can run office remotely |
| 22:04:42 | mandrake | I run X apps back and forth from my ipaq to my desktop |
| 22:04:46 | mandrake | works just fine |
| 22:05:01 | kendrick2 | ah, but under linux, not wince :) |
| 22:05:01 | kendrick2 | sorry |
| 22:05:02 | kendrick2 | hehehehe |
| 22:05:07 | kendrick2 | sighs |
| 22:05:15 | kendrick2 | i meant to call windows motherfuckers, not compaq ;) ;) ;) |
| 22:05:16 | mandrake | oh I don't have wince installed on anything |
| 22:05:23 | Lz8B | hello ppl anyone knows anything about trolltech contest results ? |
| 22:05:24 | kendrick2 | doesnt have wince OR windows installed on anything :) |
| 22:05:25 | mandrake | actually I do |
| 22:05:27 | mandrake | I take that back |
| 22:05:31 | mandrake | I have 2 ipaqs with wince on them |
| 22:05:36 | mandrake | I forgot about them |
| 22:05:41 | kendrick2 | i do have a webtv though |
| 22:05:43 | mandrake | they're not at my desk |
| 22:05:50 | kendrick2 | is _so_ sick of microsoft buying everythin >:^:( |
| 22:05:57 | altered | taps his foot impatiently.... |
| 22:05:58 | mandrake | Lz8B: we're waiting on them right now. |
| 22:06:08 | mandrake | Lz8B: they werew supposed to be announced about 10 minutes ago |
| 22:06:22 | kergoth | yawns |
| 22:06:27 | Neo|Work | seconds that. |
| 22:06:33 | Lz8B | ok thanks, that's not my computer clock... |
| 22:07:03 | altered | so, anyone know who to bug at Trolltech or Sharp? :) |
| 22:07:18 | mandrake | sure, jason perlow. |
| 22:07:24 | mandrake | if he'd get his ass back on irc. |
| 22:07:24 | Neo|Work | but I don't know if bugging will help |
| 22:07:32 | mandrake | he's probably only offline because he is still putzing around :) |
| 22:07:39 | kergoth | altered: just wait patiently some more |
| 22:07:49 | mandrake | or, you can sit around and wait like the rest of us |
| 22:07:50 | fusion94 | hte natives are restless |
| 22:07:51 | kergoth | altered: like the rest of us |
| 22:07:54 | kergoth | mandrake: yeah that |
| 22:07:54 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:08:00 | Neo|Work | JP said his deadline for submitting his rulings was 5 PM, not that it'd be announced then |
| 22:08:07 | mandrake | stabs fusion94 with a KainX (sharp pointy thingie) |
| 22:08:09 | scanline | is back (gone 01:23:52) |
| 22:08:11 | tgall_pda | sigh ... |
| 22:08:25 | kergoth | re scanline |
| 22:08:37 | scanline | thanks |
| 22:08:50 | scanline | what's up? |
| 22:09:05 | kendrick2 | wishes he could've written something for the contest |
| 22:09:06 | kergoth | we're sitting here waiting for the contest results |
| 22:09:08 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:09:13 | kendrick2 | esp. seeing as it kept getting /extended/ |
| 22:09:14 | kergoth | i wish i had more time to spend coding |
| 22:09:14 | scanline | the Qt conest? |
| 22:09:19 | kergoth | scanline: yeah |
| 22:09:42 | ljp_work | I still bet they announce that they are delaying the announcement |
| 22:09:43 | kergoth | scanline: btw i installed picogui on my Z friday. nifty! hehh |
| 22:09:45 | altered | has Trolltech made any of the deadlines associated with the contest yet? |
| 22:09:49 | Lz8B | what kind of apps are you developping you guys ? |
| 22:09:57 | scanline | kergoth: hehe, cool |
| 22:10:13 | kendrick2 | will be porting numerous games |
| 22:10:15 | Neo|Work | kergoth: hey, I spent 2 partial weekends and 5 weekday evenings learning Qt/qpe and writing the first Eligo app |
| 22:10:23 | Neo|Work | and I got heck of a lot done for the beta. :P |
| 22:10:30 | Neo|Work | now, I've done a lot more since then but still |
| 22:10:41 | kendrick2 | Kaboom! clone, Asteroids clone, Circus clone, Blood Suckers clone... ;) |
| 22:10:42 | Lz8B | numerous games ? maybe just like me :( |
| 22:10:49 | kergoth | Neo|Work: hehe. not bad at all. |
| 22:10:53 | kendrick2 | lz8b? |
| 22:11:01 | kergoth | Neo|Work: speaking of which, i gotta go buy eligo, SA, and the addon |
| 22:11:03 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:11:04 | Lz8B | kendrick ? |
| 22:11:14 | Neo|Work | Now, I had the experience of writing Eligo for the desktop but not much code was shared |
| 22:11:14 | kendrick2 | why the ":(" ? |
| 22:11:15 | altered | eligo? |
| 22:11:17 | ljp_work | Lz8b: /me is currently busy mucking up the cvs at http://opie.handhelds.org |
| 22:11:17 | kendrick2 | kerg - me too... |
| 22:11:19 | Neo|Work | kergoth: :-) |
| 22:11:21 | | i think eligo is http://eongames.com/games/eligo/ |
| 22:11:21 | Neo|Work | ibot eligo |
| 22:11:22 | | sa is probably http://eongames.com/games/sa/ or Strategic Assault - a Command & Conquer clone |
| 22:11:22 | Neo|Work | ibot sa |
| 22:11:28 | kendrick2 | eligo is cool.. and i've beaten as much of SA as i can |
| 22:11:55 | Neo|Work | The next Eligo version will have better sounds and music (thank you SDL/SDL_mixer) and have A LOT better performance |
| 22:11:56 | Lz8B | >kendrick that's bad if we have submitted the sames games... but it's not the case I think |
| 22:11:56 | kendrick2 | was Open Zaurus itself submitted to the contest? :) |
| 22:12:06 | Neo|Work | say a 3-5 times faster for complex animation |
| 22:12:08 | kendrick2 | lz8b - no, i'm porting my /own/ games :) |
| 22:12:08 | tgall_pda | should have been if it wasn't! |
| 22:12:14 | finkployd | kendrick2: heh. What catagory? All? :) |
| 22:12:17 | kendrick2 | http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/x/ |
| 22:12:19 | kendrick2 | http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/agenda/ |
| 22:12:22 | kendrick2 | fink - ehhehe :) |
| 22:12:30 | kergoth | kendrick2: lol, yeah it was submitted actually. but its not an app, so probably disqualified :-) |
| 22:12:34 | Neo|Work | Lz8B: you wrote a game? what game? :P |
| 22:12:45 | ljp_work | kendrick: I think not, you had to have the copyright owners permission to submit |
| 22:13:00 | Lz8B | i wrote a game engine based on cellular automata |
| 22:13:03 | kendrick2 | well... i guess the work done to the original stuff :) |
| 22:13:05 | kergoth | qt/e and qtopia was my first experience programming user interfaces and gui shit |
| 22:13:09 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:13:11 | ljp_work | you submitted OZ? |
| 22:13:12 | Neo|Work | Lz8B: life? :) |
| 22:13:21 | kergoth | ljp_work: yeah. figured it couldnt hurt. hehh |
| 22:13:28 | Neo|Work | kergoth: I had done some prior GTK and ParaGUI stuff |
| 22:13:37 | Lz8B | >neo not exactly, some old skool games |
| 22:13:42 | Neo|Work | Qt is the number one on my "nice GUI to program for" |
| 22:13:45 | kendrick2 | lz8b - url |
| 22:13:58 | kergoth | oh wait. i've done a small small amount of gui programming for windows |
| 22:14:01 | kergoth | qt has impressed me |
| 22:14:03 | kergoth | qtopia has not |
| 22:14:04 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:14:09 | Lz8B | http://int13.free.fr this site is quite slow... |
| 22:14:16 | Neo|Work | the qtopia apps aren't amazing from what I've seen |
| 22:14:36 | Lz8B | and the texts are not up to date. |
| 22:14:40 | ljp_work | ohh.. but Opie apps are amazing! :) |
| 22:14:43 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:14:56 | Hellaenergy | kergoth: what would you add to qtopia to make it better? |
| 22:14:58 | Neo|Work | ljp_work: hehe. :) |
| 22:15:02 | Lz8B | >kergoth url too ? |
| 22:15:03 | kergoth | Hellaenergy: read the opie todo list |
| 22:15:19 | kergoth | Hellaenergy: heh |
| 22:15:21 | Hellaenergy | Well say one thing at least |
| 22:15:25 | kendrick2 | lz8b - all your screenshot links go to "#" >:^( |
| 22:15:27 | kergoth | Hellaenergy: umm the pim apps suck currently |
| 22:15:28 | kendrick2 | hates javascript |
| 22:15:28 | kendrick2 | grrr |
| 22:15:29 | Neo|Work | Hellaenergy: I only tested the binary download demo of qpe for x86, but to me the PIM apps (for example) feel very basic compared to PalmOS for example |
| 22:15:43 | kendrick2 | oh - there they are :) |
| 22:15:45 | Lz8B | kendrick> problems with screenshots ? |
| 22:15:49 | kendrick2 | hey! these look cool |
| 22:15:58 | kendrick2 | lz8b - i have css and js disabled... so your page is all crappy looking :) |
| 22:16:05 | kendrick2 | but i can at least see the sshots (scrolled down) |
| 22:16:15 | kendrick2 | what's the one with the palm tree? |
| 22:16:17 | Lz8B | ok, this site is heavy on css ans js... sorry |
| 22:16:23 | Neo|Work | Lz8B: it's some general game engine with whatever games it seems? |
| 22:16:40 | Lz8B | the one with palm tree is the only true original game |
| 22:16:47 | Lz8B | uLand |
| 22:16:48 | kendrick2 | so what do these all run on, currently? |
| 22:16:48 | Neo|Work | Lz8B: ahh, you're Stephane C[toohardtospell] |
| 22:16:50 | Hellaenergy | Anybody doing Jeode development? |
| 22:16:53 | kendrick2 | what's it like? |
| 22:17:00 | Lz8B | (i m french, sorry) |
| 22:17:07 | Neo|Work | me => David Hedbor etc. I have some news on fullscreen and sound if you're interested |
| 22:17:07 | kendrick2 | np :) |
| 22:17:41 | Lz8B | neo>yes , i am |
| 22:17:43 | Neo|Work | Lz8B: fullscreen http://eongames.com/diary/2002-02-28.html |
| 22:18:01 | Lz8B | i already visited that :) thanks a lot |
| 22:18:03 | Neo|Work | I also now use SDL / SDL_mixer for sound |
| 22:18:10 | Neo|Work | and it works great |
| 22:18:17 | Neo|Work | die QSound die! |
| 22:18:20 | Lz8B | and this is the interesting part.... |
| 22:18:22 | kendrick2 | neo - you gonna put up some example code for us morons who don't know C++ / Qt? :) |
| 22:18:34 | Neo|Work | kendrick2: for what specifically? |
| 22:18:51 | kendrick2 | just like, hello world for games :) |
| 22:18:53 | Neo|Work | maybe I should make a tutorial game |
| 22:18:57 | kendrick2 | exactly :) |
| 22:19:03 | Neo|Work | nice idea |
| 22:19:11 | Neo|Work | "adds to TODO list" |
| 22:19:19 | Lz8B | Neo> can you give an example of how to use SDL_mixer in Qtopia ? |
| 22:19:19 | ljp_work | Neo: I think a fix for short QSounds was put in qpe cvs... too bad Sharp doesn't pay attention to it |
| 22:19:27 | kendrick2 | http://int13.free.fr/zaurus2.gif <- where'd you get this? or did you make it? :) |
| 22:19:29 | kergoth | Lz8B: sdl_mixer doesnt have anything to do with qtopia |
| 22:19:42 | Lz8B | yeah I make it |
| 22:19:44 | Neo|Work | ljp_work: well, sharp might, but my dev environment doesn't |
| 22:19:55 | Neo|Work | and besides, I like SDL mixer better. Gives me music support too |
| 22:20:15 | Neo|Work | Lz8B: exactly as you would otherwise. :-P I'll do some example stuff later |
| 22:20:28 | Lz8B | ok, thanks |
| 22:20:35 | kendrick2 | http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/03/02/147251 <- woah - this entire page is Aquafied :) |
| 22:20:35 | ljp_work | Neo: oh.. so I presume that it wasn't totally fixed.. |
| 22:20:55 | Neo|Work | ljp_work: no clue. Just know QSound plays back sounds worse than SDL_mixer |
| 22:20:58 | Neo|Work | and doesn't handle short sounds |
| 22:21:01 | Lz8B | neo>you're very fair, bravo |
| 22:21:05 | kendrick2 | neo - MODs!!!! |
| 22:21:06 | kendrick2 | drools |
| 22:21:14 | kendrick2 | anyone ever fix the modplugin for mediaplayer? |
| 22:21:30 | Neo|Work | kendrick2: yeps, eligo now has mods. :) |
| 22:21:39 | Neo|Work | and Strategic Assault too |
| 22:21:47 | kendrick2 | FUCK! |
| 22:21:56 | kendrick2 | they available currently? |
| 22:22:09 | Neo|Work | SA no, Eligo: compiling a new version |
| 22:22:12 | kendrick2 | you didn't happen to port "playmus" did you? :) |
| 22:22:31 | Neo|Work | well, I have it compiled... |
| 22:22:48 | Neo|Work | but my SDL_mixer library only supports .mod and .xm - disable two mod types |
| 22:22:49 | ljp_work | Neo: why don't you just handle the /dev/dsp calls youself? |
| 22:22:52 | Neo|Work | size concerns |
| 22:23:11 | Neo|Work | ljp_work: well, first of all I want mod-support for music. secondly I don't really want to write a mixer |
| 22:23:12 | Lz8B | kendrick> maybe i can ask u for an url ? (i want to see your work) |
| 22:23:14 | Neo|Work | at least not at this point |
| 22:23:23 | kendrick2 | lz8b! i gave them :) |
| 22:23:36 | kendrick2 | http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/x/ |
| 22:23:37 | kendrick2 | http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/agenda/ |
| 22:23:44 | Lz8B | kendrick>ok, me stupid |
| 22:23:50 | ljp_work | Neo: ahh.. ok.. |
| 22:23:54 | kendrick2 | np ;) |
| 22:24:14 | Neo|Work | http://david.hedbor.org/tmp/eligo_1.0b6_arm.ipk |
| 22:24:39 | Neo|Work | note that is not an official b6 release or anything |
| 22:24:55 | Neo|Work | It might have debug timings enabled too not sure |
| 22:24:56 | kendrick2 | no way to upload it right now |
| 22:24:58 | kendrick2 | i'll bug you later ;) |
| 22:25:09 | Neo|Work | it does |
| 22:25:53 | Lz8B | kendrick>how much games have you submitted for the contest ? |
| 22:26:13 | kendrick2 | lz8b - none.. i have none whcih run on zaurus yet |
| 22:26:30 | kendrick2 | madbomber 0.2 _WILL_, once SDL is ported to it ;) |
| 22:26:55 | Lz8B | kendrick> uh, ok |
| 22:27:56 | jperlow-sharp | hey dudes. |
| 22:27:59 | Neo|Work | jperlow-sharp: hey. :P |
| 22:28:02 | kergoth | hey jason |
| 22:28:06 | jperlow-sharp | well, I've got my results in. |
| 22:28:17 | Aelfweld | hey. was that you answering the questions for the java thing today? |
| 22:28:17 | jperlow-sharp | I feel like the french judge in the figure skating |
| 22:28:19 | jperlow-sharp | all that pressure |
| 22:28:21 | jperlow-sharp | :) |
| 22:28:26 | Neo|Work | hehe |
| 22:28:26 | mandrake | jperlow-sharp: finally. |
| 22:28:32 | mandrake | jperlow-sharp: so when will the announcements go out? |
| 22:28:36 | jperlow-sharp | aelf yes but via chat |
| 22:28:38 | kendrick2 | did i win? |
| 22:28:41 | jperlow-sharp | my phone line was screwed up |
| 22:28:45 | Aelfweld | yeah I was the i/o port question |
| 22:29:00 | jperlow-sharp | mandrake I beleive this evening. |
| 22:29:15 | Neo|Work | jperlow-sharp: who does the results? trolltech? |
| 22:29:19 | jperlow-sharp | troll |
| 22:29:24 | Aelfweld | interest seemed to be more in the zaurus then the java o) |
| 22:29:25 | mandrake | I heard there were 200 / 2000 applications that actually got submitted |
| 22:29:29 | jperlow-sharp | I have no idea what the other two judges voted for |
| 22:29:33 | jperlow-sharp | actually |
| 22:29:40 | jperlow-sharp | there were only 130 good entries out of the 200 |
| 22:29:48 | Aelfweld | hehe |
| 22:29:49 | jperlow-sharp | many did not compile or execute correctly |
| 22:30:03 | jperlow-sharp | there were quite a few very ambitious ones that got eliminated for that reason |
| 22:30:03 | mandrake | jperlow-sharp: sadly apparently someone timebombed the executable I submitted. |
| 22:30:15 | mandrake | (expiration date) |
| 22:30:29 | Neo|Work | jperlow-sharp: strange. One would think people would have tested that. |
| 22:30:48 | mandrake | Neo|Work: or they just wanted to put in what they had as a beta. |
| 22:30:54 | jperlow-sharp | yeah, I told troll that we probably should have given those a second chance to test with the latest sdk but we will see what happens |
| 22:31:27 | warmi_work | QEmmbeded has some strange bugs ... in my app sometimes QSound::play() would hang trying to open /dev/dsp ( figured it out using strace) |
| 22:31:31 | jperlow-sharp | still I think the best filtered their way to the top |
| 22:32:17 | mandrake | jperlow-sharp: I only hope that the timebomb that accidentally slipped its way into the executable I submitted (it wasn't supposed to, it's intended for sending out library evaluations to VARs) did not affect my scoring. |
| 22:32:28 | Neo|Work | warmi_work: don't get me started on fullscreen mode and sound issues. :P |
| 22:32:28 | mandrake | the end product will not have that problem though, I just saw to that |
| 22:33:06 | warmi_work | Neo: I was just remarking why so many apps had problems ... |
| 22:33:11 | mandrake | it expired a couple of days ago... =) |
| 22:33:20 | warmi_work | things are not ironed out well on qt end yet as well |
| 22:33:26 | Neo|Work | warmi_work: that's more like run time issues than compile time though |
| 22:33:56 | warmi_work | it happens on both my Linux boxes with different Sound cards ... it never happens to other programs ... go figure :-) |
| 22:34:19 | Aelfweld | the other apps might use esound or something |
| 22:34:58 | Neo|Work | I had to switch sound cards to get QSound to play anything correctly |
| 22:35:01 | warmi_work | no, I spend hours trying with plain X with nothing loaded etc ... it just seems random :-) maybe my hardware or sounds drivers ... hard to say |
| 22:35:37 | ljp_work | heh zauruszone.com is down for the count |
| 22:36:14 | mandrake | I would guess it's because QSound does not handle opening the device properly if you can't open at a certain rate / number of channels / etc |
| 22:36:28 | mandrake | I had that problem porting flite to the ipaq. |
| 22:36:50 | warmi_work | mandrake: I would guess .... generally it would work well if any other app already used /dev/dsp |
| 22:36:54 | warmi_work | strange things |
| 22:37:21 | kendrick2 | i found my stylus! yay! |
| 22:37:24 | mandrake | I apologize in advance for making everyone start using esd. |
| 22:37:25 | mandrake | hehe |
| 22:37:27 | warmi_work | almost like something had to "start up" /dev/dsp for Qt to work :-) |
| 22:37:35 | mandrake | I still think it's the right place to do mixing. |
| 22:38:00 | mandrake | multi-app mixing that is |
| 22:38:07 | kergoth | hehe. get TT to add esd support to qt/e ;-) |
| 22:38:38 | Neo|Work | mandrake: I use SDL/SDL_mixer so whatever SDL supports I'll support. :-)) |
| 22:38:48 | Neo|Work | esd has too much latency for typical games though |
| 22:39:02 | mandrake | actually it's guaranteed latency for the most part. |
| 22:39:07 | mandrake | so you know exactly the latency in advance. |
| 22:39:24 | mandrake | so you can code around it |
| 22:39:33 | kendrick2 | guess when the user is about to push 'fire' ;) |
| 22:39:47 | Neo|Work | true, but that doesn't work always |
| 22:39:51 | Aelfweld | hehe I got a $400 squish tiped stylus at lwce but it came with a nice zaurus for free ;) |
| 22:40:04 | Neo|Work | example from eligo: when I select something it clicks. can't play that in advance. :P |
| 22:40:25 | mandrake | okay I'm going to head home. |
| 22:40:27 | mandrake | later folks |
| 22:40:30 | lablondinette | 'lo |
| 22:40:48 | ljp_work | squish tipped? |
| 22:41:06 | Aelfweld | err squishy it has a rubber point no scratches |
| 22:41:15 | warmi_work | Neo: I used to work with ASM writing games a lot ..... Once you have SDL backend ported to use QDirectPainter I will look into rewriting blitting code in ASM ... I am in process and getting to know ARM asm now :-) |
| 22:41:20 | Aelfweld | doesn't fit in the stylus slot though |
| 22:41:25 | kendrick2 | anyone thought of making a sound system layer _above_ Qsound/SDL? |
| 22:41:35 | kendrick2 | like, it'd be nice of some games made clicky noises WITHOUT needing headphones |
| 22:41:37 | Neo|Work | warmi_work: sure. :) |
| 22:41:53 | Neo|Work | kendrick2: I wondered about that too |
| 22:41:54 | kendrick2 | like... "Choose SFX: Lame built-in speaker clicks -or- Cool MP3-quality SFX" |
| 22:41:59 | Neo|Work | i.e how does those work? |
| 22:42:18 | kergoth | Neo|Work: read library/custom-sharp.h in the qtopia or opie cvs |
| 22:42:22 | kendrick2 | anyone seen fastolfe? |
| 22:42:45 | Neo|Work | kergoth: thanks |
| 22:42:49 | kergoth | Neo|Work: np |
| 22:42:52 | Neo|Work | yet another TODO :) |
| 22:42:54 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:42:58 | Neo|Work | anyone got some spare time available? |
| 22:43:02 | kergoth | ahaha |
| 22:43:04 | kergoth | thats funny |
| 22:43:13 | kergoth | remembers having spare time... |
| 22:43:48 | fusion94 | Neo|Work: depends on what for |
| 22:44:20 | Neo|Work | for me to use for whatever I need to use it for. ;-) |
| 22:44:44 | kergoth | Neo|Work: how much are you paying? my time is valuable you know. :-P |
| 22:44:57 | ljp_work | whishes someone would change the number of hours in one day to say, 36 |
| 22:44:57 | Neo|Work | hehe. |
| 22:45:05 | kergoth | ljp_work: no kidding.. |
| 22:45:17 | Neo|Work | ljp_work: yea. without increasing the number of hours used for work and sleep |
| 22:45:27 | Neo|Work | or increase the weekend to 7 days or so |
| 22:45:29 | kergoth | ljp_work: would have time to work, do side programming, sleep, and still have time to go out and party and shit |
| 22:45:31 | ljp_work | ya.. still 40 hr/wk |
| 22:45:56 | ljp_work | where's Superman when you need him? |
| 22:46:01 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:46:11 | kergoth | yes, lets alter hte earths rotation. get to work |
| 22:46:44 | ljp_work | err.. would that be a QCop call? |
| 22:46:48 | kergoth | hah |
| 22:46:59 | altered | or, if you had a train around the equator that travelled at high speeds... you could lengthen or shorten your day as needed... |
| 22:47:33 | Cam | hey people are the contest results announced yet?? |
| 22:47:42 | Neo|Work | static int fd = open( "/dev/sharp_buz", O_RDWR|O_NONBLOCK ); \ |
| 22:47:42 | Neo|Work | ioctl( fd, SHARP_BUZZER_MAKESOUND, sound ); \ |
| 22:47:44 | Neo|Work | easy enough |
| 22:47:53 | Neo|Work | Cam: no but all are esubmitted so later today |
| 22:48:06 | Neo|Work | sound is a predefined number |
| 22:48:08 | Cam | later today!! how many hours left? |
| 22:48:21 | altered | continues to wait impatiently. |
| 22:48:24 | Cam | heh |
| 22:48:36 | Neo|Work | no clue |
| 22:48:46 | Neo|Work | wait till the norwiegan ppl wake up? :P |
| 22:48:52 | Neo|Work | uh |
| 22:49:01 | Neo|Work | or whatever. it's about midnight in Norway.. |
| 22:49:05 | Cam | they're up before USA.. surely. Check your world time |
| 22:49:07 | warmi_work | We were told it would be announced sometime this evening |
| 22:49:16 | Neo|Work | Cam: well, they might have gone to bed. :P |
| 22:49:26 | Neo|Work | it's late there |
| 22:49:27 | Cam | =) |
| 22:49:53 | warmi_work | NeoWork knows ... he used to live there :-) |
| 22:50:27 | Neo|Work | well, Sweden, so pretty close. |
| 22:50:32 | altered | well, if they're already in bed, then they should have told everyone they were going to announce winners on the 5th... not the 4th. |
| 22:50:51 | Neo|Work | they can get up before EOD PST at least |
| 22:51:02 | Cam | nothing so movable as a software deadline, it seems |
| 22:51:03 | Neo|Work | midnight here is 9 there so. :) |
| 22:51:21 | Neo|Work | I hope it happens before that though |
| 22:52:16 | altered | only 6 minutes before it's March 5th in Norway... |
| 22:52:24 | Neo|Work | yes |
| 22:52:37 | Neo|Work | Det är måndag 2002-03-04 23:54:57, vecka 10 (enligt servern). |
| 22:52:37 | Neo|Work | :-)) |
| 22:52:47 | Lz8B | march 5 here in France (at least on my comp) |
| 22:52:57 | Neo|Work | Lz8B: you're ahead a bit. :P |
| 22:53:09 | Lz8B | maybe... |
| 22:53:33 | kendrick2 | can one disable the keypress and tap clicks from w/in a program? |
| 22:53:41 | Neo|Work | my computer is synced against a nuclear clock |
| 22:53:55 | Lz8B | ok, so what time is it ? |
| 22:54:17 | Neo|Work | Mon Mar 4 14:56:46 PST 2002 |
| 22:54:21 | Cam | Jeez Neo|Work I bet you shutdown *real* carefully |
| 22:54:33 | Neo|Work | Cam: well, ntp... :P |
| 22:54:34 | warmi_work | lol |
| 22:54:42 | Neo|Work | :P |
| 22:54:54 | Neo|Work | hate it when I have meltdown. urhm. |
| 22:55:29 | Lz8B | ok, please wake me when they are available.... thx guys.... |
| 22:58:11 | Lz8B | all sleeping ? |
| 22:59:59 | Neo|Work | nope |
| 23:00:15 | warmi_work | no .. it is just 5 PM here ... |
| 23:00:20 | Neo|Work | or 3 pm here |
| 23:02:04 | kendrick2 | only 3? :( |
| 23:02:12 | Neo|Work | PST |
| 23:02:35 | Neo|Work | seems like Eligo still is slow on an ipaq at least. faster but still slow |
| 23:02:42 | Neo|Work | this time I seriously think fpu might be an issue |
| 23:02:46 | kendrick2 | sometimes it slowed down a little |
| 23:02:51 | kendrick2 | on my zaurus.. but it seemed fine |
| 23:02:56 | kendrick2 | you're doing all the scaling realtime, eh? |
| 23:03:02 | Neo|Work | cached |
| 23:03:10 | Neo|Work | realtime only once |
| 23:03:19 | Neo|Work | but the issue is drawig in general |
| 23:03:28 | warmi | you don't do any matrices or anything like that do you ? just using float to track couple of variable shouldn't make any difference |
| 23:03:29 | kendrick2 | excellent |
| 23:03:37 | Lz8B | what do you use for drawing ? |
| 23:03:47 | kendrick2 | yeah, neo! tell us your secrets! ;) |
| 23:03:53 | Neo|Work | that is much improved now. but I'm guessing that perhaps the little float calculations I do (which actually adds up to quite a lot on large boards Ogile mode) is the issue now |
| 23:04:23 | Neo|Work | kendrick2: I will, in more diaries and an example app. :P Contrary to for example the PalmOS platform in general, I don't mind sharing solutions |
| 23:04:38 | warmi | come on ... if you are just tracking acceleration or displacement then it shouldn't even matter ... |
| 23:04:47 | Neo|Work | warmi: well, one would think |
| 23:05:20 | Neo|Work | however most times are about 10x slower on mark_'s ipaq. Animation slows down to about 30-40 times slower (than my desktop pc that is) |
| 23:05:30 | Lz8B | for Uengine display I use pixmaps... and it seems fast.. at least on my comp |
| 23:05:33 | Neo|Work | but I can't verify WHY it's slow |
| 23:06:12 | Neo|Work | Lz8B: how many time do you repaint? At times I probably have over 100 animations (i.e "sprites" which change each frame) |
| 23:06:14 | warmi | pixmaps are ok meaning very fast but not very flexible ... |
| 23:06:29 | Neo|Work | pixmaps aren't guaranteed to be fast, trust me |
| 23:06:36 | Neo|Work | I use alpha channel pixmaps |
| 23:06:40 | Lz8B | my repaint is synced at about 40fps |
| 23:06:50 | Neo|Work | do you repaint everything at 40 fps? |
| 23:06:56 | Lz8B | yes |
| 23:07:08 | Neo|Work | hmm. well, I can't figure out what is slow unless I have a unit to work with |
| 23:07:45 | warmi | I thought you had iPaq |
| 23:07:48 | Neo|Work | Lz8B: oh, do you use alpha? opaq pixmaps with the same format as the display are a lot faster. |
| 23:07:56 | Neo|Work | warmi: Nope. no hardware |
| 23:08:02 | Lz8B | no, i dont' use alpha channel |
| 23:08:06 | Neo|Work | I've been using mark_ as the "timer". :P |
| 23:08:17 | warmi | I think he means alpha as a masked pixmap |
| 23:08:29 | Neo|Work | Lz8B: that makes the world of a difference |
| 23:08:33 | Neo|Work | warmi: either |
| 23:08:35 | Lz8B | ok |
| 23:08:42 | Neo|Work | I used true alpha before |
| 23:08:49 | Lz8B | but why the hell do you use alpha channel ? |
| 23:09:01 | Neo|Work | now I use true alpha for static balls (which are redrawn smartly) and masked pixmaps for animations |
| 23:09:12 | Neo|Work | Lz8B: lokks a lot better trust me. :P |
| 23:09:26 | kendrick2 | SA uses a lot of alpha |
| 23:09:31 | kendrick2 | well... some.. |
| 23:09:36 | Neo|Work | besides the graphics I have for the desktop version uses alpha and I can't fix that |
| 23:09:38 | Neo|Work | no time, no skill |
| 23:09:55 | Neo|Work | kendrick2: SA uses 1-bit alpha, i.e bitmasks |
| 23:10:04 | Neo|Work | plus SA does all blitting using a custom graphics library |
| 23:10:14 | Neo|Work | kinda like a mini-SDL. :P |
| 23:10:39 | Neo|Work | is away: afk for a sec |
| 23:10:46 | kendrick2 | what? |
| 23:11:11 | kendrick2 | what about the blue highlighter box? or the green/red armor bars above vehicles? |
| 23:11:23 | kendrick2 | those might not be pixmaps, but there's definitely alpha going on :) |
| 23:12:12 | fusion94 | man....i am so sick of the sourceforge admins |
| 23:12:33 | kendrick2 | whassup? |
| 23:13:05 | fusion94 | takes forever to get a project approved nowadays |
| 23:14:00 | warmi | lz88: I use alpha for : http://www.warmi.net/images/alpha.jpg |
| 23:14:25 | warmi | but just a custom "optimized" 50% alpha which is easy :-) |
| 23:14:25 | Lz8B | impressive |
| 23:14:54 | warmi | this things has fireworks which look crappy on static image :-) |
| 23:15:33 | fusion94 | bib brother |
| 23:15:35 | Lz8B | i see |
| 23:15:45 | fusion94 | big brother even |
| 23:17:41 | Neo|Work | is back (gone 00:07:02) |
| 23:17:59 | Lz8B | >warmi do you use cellular automata for your game ? |
| 23:18:03 | Neo|Work | kendrick2: alpha yes, but it's not related to Qt at all |
| 23:18:10 | warmi | NeoWork: assuming one has acceess to framebuffer memory one could easily do alpha in real time for animation |
| 23:18:42 | warmi | Lz88: well, not really ... just a simple state machine tailored precisely for the needs of that game |
| 23:18:51 | Neo|Work | kendrick2: the bitmaps themselves are prurely masked. the masks are even in separate files |
| 23:19:23 | Neo|Work | warmi: my current non-flickering redraw uses an intermediate QPixmap |
| 23:19:39 | Neo|Work | this is then blitted as needed by repaintEvent() (i.e repaintEvent doesn't draw anything) |
| 23:20:25 | warmi | well, do this stuff in real time you have to have access to framebuffer ... ( I heard that on Z QImage actually can be drawn directly to the screen without underlying conversion to QPixmap) |
| 23:20:39 | Neo|Work | that is true |
| 23:21:15 | Neo|Work | SA gives be raw RGB565 image data which I can draw directly to the framebuffer (well, I have to do one line at a time since it's bottom to top) |
| 23:21:19 | warmi | if that is the case then QIMage will be enough ... again, not having Z on hand , I cannot verify this stuff |
| 23:21:50 | Neo|Work | but I don't know how well all that'd work etc |
| 23:21:57 | warmi | yeah, that is what I am taking about. You can play all kinds of tricks with that data |
| 23:22:11 | Neo|Work | And as I said, I'm not sure where the performance issue is except that it's definitely the animations |
| 23:22:25 | Lz8B | is anyone benchmarked Qpixmap over Qimage ? |
| 23:22:37 | Neo|Work | example: before max widget repaint was 200 ms. Now it's 160 and 150 of those are the animations |
| 23:22:49 | Neo|Work | I completely removed a step which in devel was about half the repaint time |
| 23:22:52 | Neo|Work | go figure |
| 23:22:57 | warmi | not on Z Lz88, at least I never seen anyone post info about it |
| 23:23:13 | Neo|Work | Lz8B: it helps quite significantly when I used qpixmaps compared to qimage->qpixmap for animations |
| 23:23:23 | Neo|Work | in x86 that is |
| 23:23:31 | Neo|Work | I believe that for generic blitting, those are better |
| 23:24:00 | warmi | Neo: exactly ... if this is true what they say about QImage on Z then it would make no difference , QPixmap or QImage ( of course QImage is way more flexible) |
| 23:24:21 | Neo|Work | bit blitting I still think QImage's are converted to QPixmaps |
| 23:24:33 | Neo|Work | and for alpha blitting you still need pixel-per-pixel blitting |
| 23:25:02 | warmi | NeoWork: I doubt Z has any sort of accelerator so everything has to be done pixel by pixel ( or four pixels at a time) |
| 23:25:21 | Neo|Work | well, for opaque blitting you can use memmove/memcpy |
| 23:25:36 | Neo|Work | methods which might very well be accelerated |
| 23:25:42 | Neo|Work | i.e fast asm |
| 23:25:48 | warmi | which is pixel by pixel using ASM instruction :-) |
| 23:26:01 | warmi | unless Z has accelerator , that is |
| 23:27:37 | Neo|Work | well, as I said it might be pixel per pixel using optimized asm rather than a C-level loop |
| 23:29:06 | warmi | yeah, you right.. I am not think too well today :-) I guess it is that contest thing that keeps me distracted |
| 23:29:11 | tux_mike | gah. a mustache is annoying when drinking :) |
| 23:30:19 | Neo|Work | in either case, my code "must" become _at least_ 2.5 times faster or os |
| 23:30:22 | Neo|Work | for smooth 20 FPS |
| 23:30:27 | Neo|Work | sorry, 15 fps |
| 23:30:42 | Neo|Work | 3x faster for 20 fps |
| 23:30:55 | Neo|Work | funny thing is, the isses only really occurs very rarely |
| 23:31:07 | Neo|Work | in the game. special cases (Ogile modes really) |
| 23:31:16 | Neo|Work | so it's not really A HUGE deal. :P |
| 23:31:23 | kendrick2 | http://www.sonic.net/~nbs/ipirate.gif |
| 23:32:26 | warmi | your code run quite well on my 200 Mhz box .... |
| 23:32:45 | Neo|Work | warmi: another reason to suspect FPU or lack thereof.. |
| 23:32:46 | Neo|Work | :P |
| 23:33:23 | warmi | well, not necesarily ... remember when I was complaining about QPixmaps being slow on Windows, many times slower than on Linux on the same box ? |
| 23:33:36 | warmi | it might be actually implementation on Z or something like that |
| 23:33:37 | Neo|Work | yeah |
| 23:33:43 | Neo|Work | perhaps |
| 23:33:48 | Neo|Work | it's still just Linux though |
| 23:34:04 | Neo|Work | but as you say, it's very hard to know |
| 23:34:11 | warmi | who knows ... just get rid of floats and see if it gets any faster |
| 23:34:21 | Neo|Work | I will try that yes |
| 23:34:30 | Neo|Work | I would really doubt it matters though |
| 23:34:31 | ][N-Flux | hey hey hey |
| 23:34:38 | ][N-Flux | is back (gone 09:39:53) |
| 23:34:42 | Neo|Work | ][N-Flux: yo |
| 23:34:54 | ][N-Flux | Neo|Work: how goes it |
| 23:35:03 | Neo|Work | fine |
| 23:35:24 | Neo|Work | frustrated that my optimzed Eligo really isn't _that_ much faster on an actual device. :P |
| 23:35:28 | warmi | N-Flux: are you participating in Trolls contest ? |
| 23:35:38 | Neo|Work | void Animation::drawBounce() { |
| 23:35:38 | Neo|Work | if(my_type == BounceUp) { |
| 23:35:38 | Neo|Work | scale = 0.70 + frame * (0.3/nBounceFrames); |
| 23:35:38 | Neo|Work | } else { |
| 23:35:38 | Neo|Work | scale = 0.70 + (nBounceFrames - frame) * (0.3/nBounceFrames); |
| 23:35:38 | Neo|Work | } |
| 23:35:40 | Neo|Work | QSize sz(my_size); |
| 23:35:42 | Neo|Work | sz.setHeight(static_cast<int>(sz.height()*scale)); |
| 23:35:44 | Neo|Work | my_img = ETheme::loadPixmap(my_id, sz.width(), sz.height(), true); |
| 23:35:47 | Neo|Work | } |
| 23:35:48 | ][N-Flux | warmi: nopers, just out to test what comes donw the pipe |
| 23:35:49 | Neo|Work | that is one of the float routines I do |
| 23:35:51 | Neo|Work | as you can see, it's not heck of a lot of work |
| 23:36:02 | Neo|Work | other part is... |
| 23:36:09 | Neo|Work | my_xpos += my_x_vel; |
| 23:36:09 | Neo|Work | my_ypos += my_y_vel; |
| 23:36:09 | Neo|Work | if(my_first_draw) { |
| 23:36:09 | Neo|Work | my_first_draw = false; |
| 23:36:09 | Neo|Work | my_time_keeper.start(); |
| 23:36:10 | Neo|Work | } else { |
| 23:36:12 | Neo|Work | float secs = my_time_keeper.restart() / 1000.0; |
| 23:36:14 | Neo|Work | my_y_vel += secs * secs * 500; |
| 23:36:16 | Neo|Work | } |
| 23:36:47 | Neo|Work | then multiply that with 100 or so |
| 23:37:15 | Neo|Work | the latter is, what, 6 FOP? |
| 23:37:38 | warmi | nBounceFrames : is that a const ? |
| 23:37:42 | Neo|Work | yes |
| 23:38:03 | Neo|Work | depends on the desired FPS |
| 23:38:05 | warmi | then why do you even do (0.3/nBounce) just precalcuate this :-) |
| 23:38:26 | Neo|Work | that is a good question. :P |
| 23:38:39 | Neo|Work | it used to be hardcoded 0.03 |
| 23:38:56 | warmi | unless this is one time code it makes sense to precalculate it ahead |
| 23:39:14 | Neo|Work | every time I scale a bouncing crystal and yes, it could be precalculated (compile time) |
| 23:39:21 | Neo|Work | even just using a static float in the method |
| 23:39:47 | warmi | how many times per second does your drawBounce() run ? |
| 23:40:01 | Neo|Work | FPS * number of bouncing crystals |
| 23:40:07 | Neo|Work | s/crystals/balls/ or whatever |
| 23:40:13 | Neo|Work | and the exact numbers I don't know |
| 23:40:18 | warmi | nah ... unless you have 1000s of them it shouldn't make any difference |
| 23:40:20 | Neo|Work | but 20-40 or so |
| 23:40:27 | Neo|Work | right that's what I figure |
| 23:40:49 | ][N-Flux | what is up with the trolltech contest anyway |
| 23:40:52 | Neo|Work | I _never_ have more than 169 balls displayed |
| 23:41:02 | ][N-Flux | we should have heard something by now |
| 23:41:03 | Neo|Work | ][N-Flux: all judges has submitted votes, awaiting results |
| 23:41:22 | warmi | 160*20 =1200 calls per second |
| 23:41:30 | kendrick2 | neo :) |
| 23:41:35 | warmi | that shouldn't make a lot of difference ... |
| 23:41:52 | Neo|Work | it might be more than that at times but.. |
| 23:41:58 | Neo|Work | still not a heck of a whole lot |
| 23:42:02 | warmi | ups... I mean 3200 :-) |
| 23:42:07 | ][N-Flux | drum roll please |
| 23:42:34 | warmi | just test it with int ... don't worry about actuall animations goind bezerk .... that will tell you if it is float |
| 23:43:32 | Neo|Work | warmi: another option is to remove "bouncing" for now and see if that makes a difference |
| 23:43:45 | Neo|Work | and just do the falling part |
| 23:45:19 | warmi | if I were you I would simply create some sort of array with idexes to pixmaps with different sizes and just used my_img = myArray[nBounceFrames] |
| 23:45:49 | warmi | since user cannot change size of the pixmap during the game ( only at startup) it makes sense to preload them |
| 23:46:09 | warmi | unles I am missing something here which is probably the case :-) |
| 23:46:27 | Neo|Work | warmi: right |
| 23:46:35 | warmi | but anyway, I doubt this is your problem |
| 23:46:39 | Neo|Work | that's another thing I'll probably try |
| 23:46:41 | warmi | there must be something else |
| 23:46:46 | Neo|Work | to precalculate scaled stuff |
| 23:46:55 | Neo|Work | I do cache the scaling itself |
| 23:48:35 | warmi | my_y_vel += secs * secs * 500; that should be simply my_y_vel+=2_secs_times_500_precalculated :-) |
| 23:48:44 | warmi | but I am just being picky here :-) |
| 23:49:53 | Neo|Work | warmi: secs differ though |
| 23:50:05 | Neo|Work | it's the time in seconds since the last time it was drawn |
| 23:50:13 | warmi | ah ok ... |
| 23:50:13 | Neo|Work | not necessarily == "calculated" time |
| 23:50:27 | Neo|Work | (i.e if it's laggy, it "skips" frames in essence) |
| 23:50:37 | ][N-Flux | 3D I need to see some 3d on the Z |
| 23:51:47 | warmi | Hey Neo: since you don't have device around how do you know it is slow there ? you had some people complain about it ? |
| 23:54:17 | xxL | Neo: why are you using fp calculations at all ? |
| 23:55:15 | Neo|Work | warmi: mark_ has been doing testing |
| 23:55:34 | Neo|Work | xxL: because that's what I did originally. it's definitely not required no. but I didn't think of it as a problem |
| 23:55:40 | warmi | yeah, he could use fixed point but I sincerely doubt that is his problem in the first place .. just a couple hundred float additions per sec won't make much difference |
| 23:55:44 | ][N-Flux | hey hey xxL how goes thekompany? |
| 23:55:55 | xxL | Neo: is precision and issue ? |
| 23:56:08 | xxL | ][N-Flux: alive and well, thank you :) |
| 23:56:18 | xxL | s/and/an |
| 23:56:34 | Neo|Work | xxL: not at all |
| 23:56:50 | Neo|Work | xxL: as I said, it's not required and I do plan on making used of fixed point math |
| 23:56:59 | Neo|Work | I'll give you something to think about. |
| 23:57:02 | xxL | then you could replace 0.3 with 0.3125 which is 5/16. which is 1/16+1/4 |
| 23:57:14 | Neo|Work | slowest frame on pc: Avg pW: 2.322 tot: 3.666 ms stat: 0.807 (0.555) ms anim: 2.857 ms |
| 23:57:31 | Neo|Work | slowest frame on ipaq: Avg pW: 44.718 tot: 155.858 ms stat: 4.575 (3.858) ms anim: 151.235 ms |
| 23:57:45 | Neo|Work | notice the difference in ratio between static and animated |
| 23:58:02 | Neo|Work | sugar what is 2.857 / 0.807 |
| 23:58:04 | Sugar | It's 3.540273. |
| 23:58:11 | Neo|Work | sugar what is 151.235 / 4.575 |
| 23:58:13 | Sugar | It's 33.056831. |
| 23:58:40 | Neo|Work | I doubt that blitting with mask is so much slower arm |
| 23:58:44 | Neo|Work | (1-bit mask) |
| 23:58:59 | Neo|Work | which is why I'm thinking it might be the dumb FPU usage |
| 23:59:29 | warmi | well, first of all, for that kind of testing you got to have device ... :-) |
| 23:59:36 | Neo|Work | exactly. :) |
| 23:59:46 | Neo|Work | awaits the contest results. ;-) |
| 23:59:56 | warmi | you need to basically recompile with/without mask , with/without floats etc |
