| 00:02:34 | ljp | hi Aelfweld |
| 00:03:20 | Aelfweld | hello |
| 00:04:07 | Aelfweld | so is it worth posting a stand alone version of the usbdnet driver to sf? I basically just ripped the makefile from the cdc standalone |
| 00:07:10 | ljp | and it works? |
| 00:07:44 | Aelfweld | yep works great one error message on insmod about echo_tx being undefined(using rh kernel 2.4.9) but works great |
| 00:08:18 | Aelfweld | oh I had to fix one line in the code, bad call to kprint |
| 00:08:21 | ljp | ya.. one guy said that he couldn't get the patch working till he defined echo_tx, and echo_rx in the source |
| 00:09:06 | Aelfweld | I didn't have to change define them. seems to work anyway |
| 00:09:40 | Aelfweld | ack my brain is not working, I am repeating myself in the same sentences |
| 00:09:54 | ljp | ya, post it. I could never get usbdnet to see the connection |
| 00:10:26 | ljp | I went back to CDCEther |
| 00:13:21 | Aelfweld | ok I'll make a tar and let you know |
| 00:40:39 | Aelfweld | ah I need someone to add me to the project before I can add it |
| 00:42:02 | Aelfweld | you can grab it here if you like though http://veda.dyndns.org:8080/usbdnet-standalone.tgz |
| 00:50:38 | ljp | you mean at sourceforge? talk to Jason |
| 00:51:09 | Aelfweld | yeah I will ask jason or Kergoth when they are around |
| 01:09:04 | roge99_away | is back (gone 05:33:55) |
| 01:22:11 | fusion94 | is back (gone 01:24:06) |
| 01:41:22 | scanline | is away: foodlike stuff i should eat before the cafeteria closes |
| 01:42:58 | codemnky | hey all |
| 01:43:09 | codemnky | by all |
| 01:52:29 | ][N-Flux | burp |
| 01:52:41 | ][N-Flux | what did I miss today |
| 01:53:45 | NeoTron | oh fsck |
| 01:53:50 | ][N-Flux | ? |
| 01:53:58 | NeoTron | I now now why Eligo uses so much CPU |
| 01:54:06 | NeoTron | I have a loop that waits for animations to finish: |
| 01:54:25 | NeoTron | while(num_anims) { |
| 01:54:25 | ][N-Flux | well, clean that up already :) |
| 01:54:25 | NeoTron | qApp->processEvents(200); |
| 01:54:25 | NeoTron | } |
| 01:54:42 | NeoTron | unfortunately, processEvents return right away when there are no events... |
| 01:55:36 | NeoTron | so basically busy loop |
| 01:56:04 | NeoTron | one loop, 148000 iterations |
| 01:57:01 | NeoTron | solution: use processOneEvent() isntead |
| 01:58:23 | ][N-Flux | hrmmm |
| 01:58:32 | ][N-Flux | noone is doing intent stuff in here? |
| 01:59:08 | Aelf-BlackMask | intent? |
| 02:02:31 | NeoTron | I second that |
| 02:02:38 | scanline | is back (gone 00:21:16) |
| 02:02:44 | NeoTron | ][N-Flux: buy Strategic Assault! ;-) heh |
| 02:03:20 | ][N-Flux | gimmie some money :) |
| 02:03:38 | ][N-Flux | orat least lemme try it a littgle more first ;) |
| 02:04:24 | NeoTron | portint was your idea. :P well, I guess you did want the 3D game rather. :P |
| 02:05:22 | NeoTron | but I wouldn't have asked / known about it w/o you. :P |
| 02:06:15 | ][N-Flux | well, then I should get a free copy ;) |
| 02:07:16 | NeoTron | I need a good "bonus" sound |
| 02:09:26 | ][N-Flux | hrmmmm |
| 02:09:47 | ][N-Flux | BINGO from smash t.v. is always nice but there are issues there :) |
| 02:10:18 | NeoTron | I wonder if my little busy loop is related to the slowness when playing QSound audio... |
| 02:10:27 | NeoTron | hmm. Doesn't matter, QSound still sucks. :-PP |
| 02:10:32 | NeoTron | SDL_mixer is nicer |
| 02:10:56 | J-Fly | if i am not able to ping the zaurus, even after following instructions from ZarusZone with no subsequent errors, what are some possible problems I should look for? |
| 02:11:23 | J-Fly | I'm desperate for ANY suggestions... |
| 02:13:28 | ][N-Flux | http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1336754377 |
| 02:13:38 | ][N-Flux | J-Fly what rom |
| 02:13:48 | J-Fly | 1.11 |
| 02:14:29 | ][N-Flux | you setup the network config |
| 02:14:37 | J-Fly | on the Z? |
| 02:14:41 | ][N-Flux | yes |
| 02:14:49 | J-Fly | no |
| 02:14:54 | ][N-Flux | default ip is 192.168.1.201 |
| 02:14:55 | J-Fly | there were no instructions regarding that |
| 02:15:09 | ][N-Flux | gotta change that unless yer iprange is that |
| 02:15:29 | J-Fly | under network under usb i have an ip address of 192.168.1.201 |
| 02:15:34 | ][N-Flux | yes |
| 02:15:40 | J-Fly | so that's covered |
| 02:15:49 | ][N-Flux | and the cradle is usually 192.168.1.200 |
| 02:15:57 | ][N-Flux | did you set that |
| 02:16:06 | J-Fly | i set the usb0 interface to that address, yes |
| 02:16:18 | J-Fly | wait |
| 02:16:34 | J-Fly | i have it set to 129.200 |
| 02:16:49 | ][N-Flux | gotta fix that :) |
| 02:17:04 | J-Fly | thats what the directions say to set it at |
| 02:17:10 | J-Fly | so set the z to 129.201? |
| 02:17:20 | ][N-Flux | nononononon |
| 02:17:26 | ][N-Flux | leave the z as is |
| 02:17:34 | ][N-Flux | set the cradle to 192.168.1.200 |
| 02:17:47 | ][N-Flux | leave the Z at 192.168.1.201 |
| 02:18:00 | ][N-Flux | once it is in the cradle you should be able to ping it |
| 02:18:12 | J-Fly | i changed the Z to 192.168.129.201, and now i have it pinging |
| 02:18:18 | ][N-Flux | great |
| 02:18:21 | J-Fly | sweet!!!!!!! |
| 02:18:37 | J-Fly | ][N-Flux: I sincerely thank you |
| 02:19:18 | ][N-Flux | np :) |
| 02:19:24 | ][N-Flux | that's what I'm here for ;) |
| 02:20:00 | NeoTron | is it rude of Eligo to say "access denied" when you enter invalid reg information? :P |
| 02:20:07 | ][N-Flux | not at all |
| 02:20:17 | NeoTron | I found a cute sample and I just have to use it |
| 02:20:18 | ][N-Flux | tell the pir8's to feck off |
| 02:20:26 | ljp | yes, it should give me a free ride :) |
| 02:22:36 | NeoTron | I have one that says "Please insert proper code and password" too, but it doesn't really fit since there's email and code |
| 02:23:18 | NeoTron | heh. "Don't touch me!" |
| 02:23:45 | NeoTron | "Be careful, you'll put your eye out with that thing!" |
| 02:27:48 | J-Fly | ][N-Flux: i don't know what happened but i cant ping it anymore... |
| 02:28:23 | J-Fly | i've switched the z to 1.201 and the usb interface to 1.200 and added the host accordingly, but still no luck |
| 02:29:06 | ][N-Flux | Hrmmmm |
| 02:29:27 | J-Fly | yea, tell me about it |
| 02:29:43 | ][N-Flux | jump into a console on the X and type ifconfg usbd0 192.168.1.201 and re-cradle it |
| 02:30:09 | J-Fly | usb0 to 1.201? |
| 02:30:40 | J-Fly | or 1.200? |
| 02:31:16 | ][N-Flux | 1.201 |
| 02:31:19 | ][N-Flux | for the Z |
| 02:31:24 | ][N-Flux | 1.200 for the cradle |
| 02:31:29 | J-Fly | ok |
| 02:32:36 | J-Fly | ][N-Flux: still no luck |
| 02:33:24 | ][N-Flux | try just ifconfig |
| 02:33:31 | ][N-Flux | see what it's set to |
| 02:34:31 | J-Fly | yea, i had to reset the interface, did it, and now can ping it |
| 02:34:37 | ][N-Flux | great |
| 02:34:44 | ][N-Flux | you know you can ftp to it also |
| 02:35:00 | J-Fly | yea, thats what i originally was attempting to do |
| 02:35:09 | ][N-Flux | port 4242 |
| 02:35:13 | ][N-Flux | user root |
| 02:35:28 | J-Fly | my connection was refused |
| 02:35:32 | ][N-Flux | the password is just one space |
| 02:35:39 | J-Fly | oh |
| 02:36:15 | J-Fly | connection still refused |
| 02:37:18 | J-Fly | user=root |
| 02:37:26 | J-Fly | pass=one space |
| 02:37:34 | J-Fly | port=4242 |
| 02:37:40 | J-Fly | host=192.168.1.201 |
| 02:37:49 | J-Fly | correct? |
| 02:38:57 | ][N-Flux | no not "one space" |
| 02:39:09 | J-Fly | " "? |
| 02:39:11 | ][N-Flux | hit the space bar once |
| 02:39:15 | J-Fly | thats what i did |
| 02:39:15 | ][N-Flux | yeah :) |
| 02:39:22 | ][N-Flux | is away: brb gotta run an errand |
| 02:41:37 | scanline | is away: UT |
| 02:42:41 | J-Fly | how do you check to make sure the ftp server is up and running on the Z? |
| 02:46:10 | icefox2 | try connecting :) |
| 02:46:13 | icefox2 | 4242 |
| 02:46:16 | J-Fly | i tried |
| 02:46:24 | J-Fly | connection refused |
| 02:46:26 | icefox2 | can you ping it? |
| 02:46:29 | J-Fly | yep |
| 02:46:37 | icefox2 | hmm don't know |
| 02:46:43 | icefox2 | <- using an old rom |
| 02:46:45 | J-Fly | yea, boggles me too |
| 02:46:58 | icefox2 | Is there anyway to upgrade the rom without a flash? |
| 02:47:06 | J-Fly | dont think so |
| 02:47:14 | J-Fly | crap i gotta run |
| 02:47:25 | J-Fly | is away: be back zaurusing later... |
| 02:48:21 | J-Fly | . |
| 03:24:29 | codemnky | hello |
| 03:24:58 | codemnky | you guys seens this (http://www.exolution.de/wapsh/index.html) i just got it working, it's crazy - you can ssh into any machine from the org host |
| 03:25:13 | codemnky | with your cell phone |
| 03:26:04 | codemnky | anyhow, i thought it was neat |
| 03:33:37 | cmdrake | Neo: you still awake? |
| 03:36:55 | ][N-Flux | is back (gone 00:57:32) |
| 03:38:32 | tux_mike | ghj |
| 03:39:10 | tux_mike | stupid tem with it's reset and clear |
| 03:40:04 | tux_mike | code: that's nuts |
| 03:40:40 | ][N-Flux | tux_mike: sent that out to bunch of people, as did my grandfather |
| 03:41:15 | tux_mike | hrm? |
| 03:41:23 | ][N-Flux | sssca |
| 03:41:32 | tux_mike | just realizes codemnky isn't here... ;) |
| 03:41:33 | tux_mike | ah |
| 03:41:36 | tux_mike | cool :) |
| 03:41:50 | tux_mike | down with big media! up with freedom! |
| 03:57:19 | scanline | is back (gone 01:14:42) |
| 04:27:51 | Aelf-BlackMask | anyone around? |
| 04:28:21 | roge99 | no one here but us lurkers |
| 04:28:53 | tux_mike | and those of us who are foolish enough to look at ix86 asm |
| 04:28:54 | Aelfweld | hehe I was wondering if it possible to cross complile without all the qt stuff installed |
| 04:29:17 | ][N-Flux | watching masters of the universe |
| 04:29:29 | Aelfweld | I know mainframe asm, I haven't done x86 or sparc for 7 years though |
| 04:29:56 | tux_mike | Aelfweld: you need the libraries and header files to link to if it calls any qt classes or functions, if not, you just need the compiler |
| 04:31:22 | Aelfweld | I got the rpms from zaurus zone damned if I know how to call it though. the test just mentions tmake |
| 04:32:33 | tux_mike | you could compile by hand |
| 04:32:53 | Aelfweld | whats the command? |
| 04:33:16 | Fastolfe|SleepyTeddyBeddy | hello folks |
| 04:33:18 | Fastolfe|SleepyTeddyBeddy | oops |
| 04:33:23 | Aelfweld | hehe |
| 04:33:36 | roge99 | lol |
| 04:33:48 | tux_mike | g++ -o outfile.o -c -I$QTDIR/include -f{optomizations} -DQWS |
| 04:33:51 | roge99 | TeddyBeddy ? |
| 04:33:55 | tux_mike | hey fast |
| 04:34:04 | Fastolfe | the local gun range has a new toy : the usamatron :) |
| 04:34:06 | Aelfweld | see there is that evil qt thing |
| 04:34:19 | Aelfweld | and how do I tell it to compile as arm? |
| 04:34:32 | tux_mike | arm-linux-g++ |
| 04:34:50 | Aelfweld | ah danke |
| 04:35:29 | tux_mike | Fastolfe: do you know how to use nasm on linux to make dos executables? |
| 04:35:50 | Fastolfe | I used to. Look at the lilo src code |
| 04:36:11 | tux_mike | but doesn't that make a bootsector executable, not dos? |
| 04:36:44 | Fastolfe | yeah, you need a COM or EXE model. I can't remember how I did it. I think I ripped it off TASM |
| 04:37:04 | Fastolfe | COM is easy |
| 04:37:19 | Fastolfe | what are you doing ? |
| 04:37:24 | tux_mike | learning! |
| 04:37:26 | tux_mike | :) |
| 04:37:31 | Fastolfe | lol |
| 04:37:32 | Fastolfe | hmm |
| 04:37:46 | tux_mike | i want to make dos die in horrible ways never imaginable! :) |
| 04:37:48 | Fastolfe | you can learn a lot with a bootsector :) |
| 04:38:18 | Fastolfe | the nice thing with a bootsector is, you can learn without being encumbered by the extraneous DOS shit |
| 04:38:32 | tux_mike | true... |
| 04:38:56 | Fastolfe | tux_mike: I dunno, I'd start doing tiny linux elf asm progs if I were you |
| 04:39:45 | tux_mike | Fastolfe: can you show me how to do a hello world in asm on linux (i think i have nasm and the gnu assembler) |
| 04:40:06 | Fastolfe | tux_mike: okay, lemme do a quick prog and a makefile, then you can play with it, how bout it > |
| 04:40:21 | tux_mike | ok. send it to mike@tuxnami.org |
| 04:40:22 | tux_mike | :) |
| 04:40:42 | tux_mike | but with using linux, i can't make dos die... that's disapointing. |
| 04:40:54 | tux_mike | i want to see fire and sparks when i make a mistake! |
| 04:40:59 | Fastolfe | no, but you have the challenge of making Linux die, which it more exciting :) |
| 04:41:05 | Fastolfe | killing DOS is cheesy |
| 04:41:20 | Fastolfe | you just have to look at it with a frowning face and it'll die |
| 04:41:34 | tux_mike | it's pretty damned hard to make linux die as long as you aren't root |
| 04:42:03 | tux_mike | i don't think i've ever killed linux when just as a user |
| 04:42:11 | tux_mike | i have killed it as root before :) |
| 04:47:39 | tux_mike | gah, i wish the albino brain jiggers would stop falling |
| 04:52:54 | Aelfweld | fork bomb |
| 04:53:37 | Aelfweld | there was something I did once unintentionally that killed it but I forget what it was |
| 04:53:40 | Fastolfe | tux_mike: done |
| 04:53:51 | Fastolfe | it's in AT&T syntax, I hope you don't mind |
| 04:53:56 | Fastolfe | where do I send it ? |
| 04:54:03 | tux_mike | i know not the difference |
| 04:54:06 | tux_mike | mike@tuxnami.org |
| 04:54:59 | Fastolfe | it's gone |
| 04:55:12 | tux_mike | cool, thanks :) |
| 04:55:15 | Fastolfe | you bet |
| 04:56:22 | tux_mike | attempts to set world.chicago.weather( Weather::Clear, !Weather::Snow ); |
| 04:56:34 | Fastolfe | lol |
| 04:56:55 | tux_mike | but i don't think there's a C++ interface to the world. i wish there was |
| 04:57:08 | Fastolfe | asm interface baby :) |
| 04:57:16 | tux_mike | knowing this world, it's prolly cobol *shudder* |
| 04:57:34 | Aelfweld | its raining here |
| 04:57:43 | Aelfweld | here being brooklyn |
| 04:57:47 | Fastolfe | It's clear and bloody freezing cold here |
| 04:58:09 | tux_mike | Fastolfe: i've made quite a bit of progress with that girl in class (Heather) :) |
| 04:58:24 | Fastolfe | lol |
| 04:58:28 | Fastolfe | oh goody goody for you :) |
| 04:58:51 | tux_mike | i've got her number, and i went over to her place to study for monday's test :) |
| 04:58:51 | Fastolfe | did you ask her if you could ram your crotch in hers yet ? ;) |
| 04:59:02 | tux_mike | um... no. ;P |
| 04:59:12 | Fastolfe | I gathered :) |
| 04:59:33 | tux_mike | hrm... time stamp is in the future. :) |
| 04:59:43 | Fastolfe | touch * :) |
| 05:00:16 | tux_mike | eh, it'll stop saying this in about an hour |
| 05:00:24 | nec3364 | Fastolfe: (em1ssnuke) I've got a question with compiling a QTopia example .... |
| 05:00:25 | Fastolfe | yeah. okay :) |
| 05:00:42 | Fastolfe | nec3364: I'm not the guy you should ask this man :) |
| 05:00:48 | nec3364 | k |
| 05:00:48 | Fastolfe | nec3364: I'm a qtopia idiot |
| 05:00:55 | nec3364 | me to |
| 05:01:08 | Fastolfe | hey cool, we can be qtopia idiots together :) |
| 05:01:11 | nec3364 | Just need to verify my compile tool chain is setup right .... |
| 05:01:20 | nec3364 | :) |
| 05:01:43 | tux_mike | nec3364: i know a litte. |
| 05:02:05 | tux_mike | Fastolfe: movl? |
| 05:02:09 | Fastolfe | yeah |
| 05:02:14 | nec3364 | k tux_mike, when I comiple the example it complains about tmake.conf |
| 05:02:15 | tux_mike | what's the difference from mov |
| 05:02:34 | tux_mike | bah, tmake, i never touch the stuff. |
| 05:02:37 | Fastolfe | movl == move long. mov == undefined (although it's usually long, but don't count on it) |
| 05:02:45 | tux_mike | ah |
| 05:02:56 | tux_mike | using 32bit regs i see... |
| 05:03:01 | nec3364 | .... k how..... |
| 05:03:02 | Fastolfe | tux_mike: asm rule #1 : don't let the compiler choose for you |
| 05:03:35 | tux_mike | Fastolfe: i try to follow that rule in all languages. compiler == dumb as dirt. |
| 05:03:37 | Fastolfe | (that rule works great in C, C++, fortran, forth, ADA, cobol ... too come to think of it) |
| 05:04:01 | Fastolfe | tux_mike: yeah! dumb compilers are your friend in asm ! the less smart it is, the less you have surprises |
| 05:04:12 | tux_mike | Fastolfe: any good guide to ASM + i386 + linux? |
| 05:04:21 | tux_mike | lol |
| 05:04:26 | Fastolfe | tux_mike: www.linuxassembly.org |
| 05:04:39 | tux_mike | Fastolfe: cool beans. thanks |
| 05:04:50 | Fastolfe | come on man, you gotta experiment yourself, and make mistakes yourself too, to learn :) |
| 05:05:16 | tux_mike | i intend on making big ones! |
| 05:05:29 | Fastolfe | oh good, you'll learn that much faster :) |
| 05:05:38 | tux_mike | i just need to get a kick in the pants to get those mistakes made :) |
| 05:06:05 | nec3364 | Has anyone currently online here successfully setup the tool chain per the install url .... |
| 05:06:33 | Fastolfe | tux_mike: my advice to you : if you want to learn a particular asm fast, start by (1) doing helloworld, (2) doing a prime number sieve. Once you reach (2), you know 90% of the asm |
| 05:06:34 | tux_mike | well, i guess it be better to do this on linux than dos, i don't think a computer can handle more than one mistake without bursting into flames (dos being the first one) |
| 05:06:56 | Fastolfe | tux_mike: under DOS, you lock the machine and it's reboot-o'clock |
| 05:07:20 | tux_mike | nec3364: i built my own cross-compiler if that is what you mean? |
| 05:07:29 | tux_mike | Fastolfe: yah, no kidding. |
| 05:07:46 | tux_mike | Fastolfe: the gnu assembler is in ld? |
| 05:08:01 | tux_mike | stupid me, it's not |
| 05:08:18 | tux_mike | i think i should go to bed, i'm startign to read things wrong |
| 05:08:18 | Fastolfe | tux_mike: the asm is called by gcc. In fact, gcc doesn't do a damn thing here |
| 05:08:23 | Fastolfe | lol |
| 05:08:33 | Fastolfe | write things wrong too |
| 05:08:36 | Fastolfe | ;) |
| 05:08:38 | Aelfweld | its part of gcc. I learned sparc asm by writing bits of C and using gcc -S |
| 05:09:04 | nec3364 | tuxmike, I'm using the complie tool chain provide via sharp .... |
| 05:09:18 | tux_mike | Fastolfe: how do you use asm in linux to link to libraries? |
| 05:09:35 | Fastolfe | gcc == front end. gas == backend |
| 05:09:35 | Fastolfe | sorta |
| 05:09:40 | Fastolfe | tux_mike: oh man, you're really jumping the gun ain't you ? :) |
| 05:09:42 | Aelfweld | ah right |
| 05:09:46 | Fastolfe | tux_mike: you need to call ld |
| 05:09:53 | tux_mike | i'm just courious |
| 05:10:00 | nec3364 | tuxmike, use the linker not the assembler .... |
| 05:10:05 | Fastolfe | and get it to resolve the symbols, then fixup the addresses and shit |
| 05:10:11 | tux_mike | i mean in the asm code. |
| 05:10:19 | tux_mike | ah |
| 05:10:22 | Fastolfe | tux_mike: ah no |
| 05:10:49 | Fastolfe | tux_mike: in that case, you need to use the symbols from the lib, and figure out how you pass params to it |
| 05:11:00 | tux_mike | ah |
| 05:11:01 | tux_mike | ok |
| 05:11:06 | Fastolfe | tux_mike: unfortunately, most of the time you have no asm prototypes to call the funcs |
| 05:11:11 | Fastolfe | just C |
| 05:11:14 | tux_mike | true |
| 05:11:18 | nec3364 | usually in a .h file |
| 05:11:35 | Fastolfe | but it's only C, so you can figure out how to pass stuffs on the stack and in which order, it's easy |
| 05:11:46 | Fastolfe | I suggest you do the prime number sieve first :) |
| 05:11:50 | tux_mike | yah |
| 05:12:07 | tux_mike | i have a little while to go before i get there |
| 05:12:37 | Fastolfe | tux_mike: asm is dead easy once you grasp the concepts |
| 05:12:59 | Fastolfe | tux_mike: but you need to code dumb stuffs and sweat over why it won't work right first |
| 05:13:04 | tux_mike | yah |
| 05:13:34 | tux_mike | once i get asm down, i want to move to microprocessor theory :) |
| 05:13:53 | Fastolfe | tux_mike: I have a serious question for you then |
| 05:14:01 | Fastolfe | tux_mike: what do you do for a living ? |
| 05:14:08 | nec3364 | ... well shit .... quess I wait for another day .... |
| 05:14:17 | Fastolfe | sorry nec |
| 05:14:19 | nec3364 | guess |
| 05:14:21 | nec3364 | np |
| 05:14:51 | Fastolfe | tux_mike: you dead ? |
| 05:15:02 | tux_mike | Fastolfe: now, i'm a IT consultant. I do fix-it work on computers. Used to be a phone tech. I may move away from that into programming. |
| 05:15:30 | tux_mike | checks his pulse.... yup :) |
| 05:16:18 | tux_mike | Fastolfe: why do you ask? |
| 05:16:19 | Fastolfe | tux_mike: k. You know that silly relay computer of mine ? turns out the design of the CPU core is more advanced than I thought. I might be looking at serious biz things with it. But it's enough of an oddball that I would be looking for people with fresh ideas about cores to help out, possibly |
| 05:16:51 | tux_mike | cool. once i get some ideas i'll let you know :) hehehe |
| 05:17:09 | Fastolfe | so, if you're into that stuff but have no formal training, I would ask you if you'd consider moving to europe for a year :) |
| 05:17:23 | tux_mike | hrm.... |
| 05:17:32 | tux_mike | europe eh... |
| 05:18:01 | Fastolfe | well, yeah, good ole uncle sam doesn't want me doing a company on its soil |
| 05:18:19 | Fastolfe | this is just a pipe dream of sorts |
| 05:18:39 | nec3364 | Fast_: why not find a partner .. then open it here. ??? |
| 05:18:40 | tux_mike | depends, but it may be a really good experience |
| 05:18:40 | Fastolfe | but there are ppl in europe who want to spend investment $$$ on it |
| 05:19:16 | tux_mike | Fastolfe: put me down as a definate maybe ;) if it does come to fruition, i'd seriously think about it |
| 05:19:29 | Fastolfe | nec3364: yeah I spose I could. But I have this vague sadness in my heart to see my country's computer industry go to shit because of the govt |
| 05:19:41 | Aelfweld | thats pretty sweet fast. I wish you much luck and fun frustration with your design o) |
| 05:19:59 | Fastolfe | tux_mike: k. Learn asm, and I may call you if I ever get over the fear :) |
| 05:20:37 | Fastolfe | Aelfweld: thanks. If I ever put that core in silicon, you might see a palmpilot the power of a Pentium 1 running for 1 year straight :) |
| 05:21:49 | tux_mike | Fastolfe: are you gonna add more to your design? increase the bits or anything? |
| 05:21:51 | Aelfweld | that would be very nice. battery is one of the crumby things with the strong arm devices vs the palms |
| 05:22:07 | Fastolfe | tux_mike: whatdyamean increase the bits ? |
| 05:22:14 | Fastolfe | Aelfweld: yeah |
| 05:22:14 | tux_mike | up from ten :) |
| 05:22:18 | Fastolfe | ooh |
| 05:22:24 | Fastolfe | actually, it's 32 now |
| 05:22:30 | tux_mike | ah, cool :) |
| 05:22:34 | Fastolfe | but I'm looking at much more revolutionary :) |
| 05:22:39 | Fastolfe | like |
| 05:22:43 | Fastolfe | infinite address space |
| 05:22:50 | tux_mike | O_O |
| 05:23:03 | tux_mike | unlimited memory... interesting. |
| 05:23:07 | Fastolfe | trouble is, the ram that would use that doesn't exist yet |
| 05:23:12 | nec3364 | start the patent now ..... |
| 05:23:13 | tux_mike | lol |
| 05:23:18 | Fastolfe | tux_mike: not unlimited memory, unlimited addressable space |
| 05:23:47 | Fastolfe | tux_mike: it's nothing new, it's a serial addressing (relative), but done right it could be as fast as a standard address bus |
| 05:23:55 | tux_mike | ? i thought if you have unlimitied addressable space, you can add as much memory as you please? |
| 05:23:56 | Aelfweld | hmm infinite address space... universal relativity |
| 05:23:59 | tux_mike | no upper limit? |
| 05:24:04 | Fastolfe | correct |
| 05:24:25 | tux_mike | ah. memory only limited to your pocket book then :) |
| 05:24:26 | Fastolfe | because you don't address byte #xxx, you address byte number +xxx from where the IP is |
| 05:24:30 | Fastolfe | yep |
| 05:24:46 | nec3364 | then the serial protcol dictates the address/data |
| 05:25:00 | Aelfweld | they just added relative branching to the asm on the mf much nicer. |
| 05:25:17 | Fastolfe | nec3364: yes, or an address bus that act as an offset instead of an absolute address |
| 05:25:33 | Aelfweld | +-half word from IP instead of 4k from some base register |
| 05:25:39 | Fastolfe | nec3364: but then the memory must have a concept of what segment is currently addressed |
| 05:25:54 | Fastolfe | that doesn't exist yet |
| 05:25:55 | nec3364 | k ... thinking .... |
| 05:26:20 | tux_mike | Fastolfe: well, then, time to get designing on your own ram :) |
| 05:26:34 | Fastolfe | tux_mike: er.. I'll just called rambus eh :) |
| 05:26:40 | Fastolfe | s/called/call |
| 05:26:57 | tux_mike | yah, that's it :) |
| 05:27:06 | nec3364 | linear mem space ....? no segments .... ???? |
| 05:27:09 | Fastolfe | I'm not designing ram. It's more complex than the cpu :)) |
| 05:27:24 | tux_mike | lol :) |
| 05:27:33 | tux_mike | then how can you use the cpu without the ram |
| 05:28:01 | Fastolfe | nec3364: yeah, I meant, conceptually the ram doesn't have an absolute address, it just serves values walking left or right of the current IP, for example, which is not known. |
| 05:28:06 | Aelfweld | you just need branch instructions that work like a filessytem with magic indirect nodes to get everywhere |
| 05:28:09 | nec3364 | Serial Harvard Arch ... |
| 05:28:18 | Fastolfe | nec3364: yeah sorta |
| 05:29:09 | nec3364 | start @ 0 .... |
| 05:29:36 | Fastolfe | The core has less gates than a hex adder sold at radioshack, it'll be a power genius :) |
| 05:30:07 | tux_mike | well, my i gotta go to bed. my eyes are killing me. |
| 05:30:12 | Fastolfe | seeya :) |
| 05:30:14 | Fastolfe | gnite |
| 05:30:20 | nec3364 | seeya |
| 05:30:23 | tux_mike | nite all |
| 05:31:01 | nec3364 | Fast_: when you built the vnc stuff ... what tool chain did you use? |
| 05:31:26 | Fastolfe | nec3364: I used ours (lineo's). It's prebuilt and comes as RPMs |
| 05:31:44 | Fastolfe | it's avail on the sharpsec site |
| 05:32:14 | nec3364 | That is what I have installled ... but does not appear to be functioning ... installtion correct? |
| 05:32:22 | Fastolfe | hmm |
| 05:32:33 | Fastolfe | dumb question : what doesn't work ? |
| 05:32:42 | nec3364 | Should just try a Helloworld and start from there .... |
| 05:32:52 | Fastolfe | yes |
| 05:33:00 | Fastolfe | but do you know what the error says ? |
| 05:33:06 | nec3364 | QTopia build doesn;t owrk .... |
| 05:33:21 | Fastolfe | okay. Like. ..how ? :) |
| 05:33:30 | nec3364 | tmake errors first ... not tmake.conf ... do I need to use tamke? |
| 05:34:00 | Fastolfe | oh god, this is qtopia-specific I'm afraid. I dunno any of it |
| 05:34:23 | nec3364 | what make did you use? |
| 05:34:47 | Fastolfe | I've never built qtopia :) but I use gnu make usually |
| 05:34:58 | nec3364 | gmake .. ? ... k |
| 05:35:07 | Fastolfe | hmm I spose |
| 05:35:17 | nec3364 | i'll start with that ... thanks .... |
| 05:35:18 | Fastolfe | this is not part of the toolchain tho |
| 05:35:29 | nec3364 | were do I get it .... ? |
| 05:35:35 | Fastolfe | you under Linux ? |
| 05:35:40 | nec3364 | yep |
| 05:35:53 | Fastolfe | well, then it should come with your Linux distro |
| 05:36:02 | Fastolfe | just type "make" see if it's there |
| 05:36:20 | nec3364 | k, so just regular make .. that I've always used ..... (feels dumb) |
| 05:36:26 | Fastolfe | yeah :) |
| 05:36:42 | nec3364 | k, thanks |
| 05:36:45 | Fastolfe | sure |
| 05:37:00 | nec3364 | talk to ya later ...... |
| 05:37:03 | Fastolfe | seeya |
| 06:53:52 | J-Fly | is back (gone 04:06:27) |
| 07:18:47 | scanline | falls in love with GL_LINEAR_MIPMAP_LINEAR |
| 07:19:17 | J-Fly | is away: sleeping |
| 07:19:45 | NeoTron | considers what to do next |
| 07:32:25 | Shoichi | hello~ |
| 07:32:30 | NeoTron | heya |
| 07:32:59 | Shoichi | i comes again^^ |
| 07:33:16 | NeoTron | welcome back. :) |
| 07:39:21 | Shoichi | excuse me,do es someone know where to order a sl-5000d?^^ |
| 07:39:41 | Shoichi | umm..on what page? |
| 07:39:47 | NeoTron | hmm. not sure |
| 07:41:14 | Shoichi | o... |
| 07:42:26 | NeoTron | somewhere at http://developer.sharpsec.com ? |
| 08:12:25 | Shoichi | thx i'll see it... |
| 08:13:05 | Shoichi | sorry^^i'll check it out^^(my poor english) |
| 13:25:26 | weimer | is away: I'm busy |
| 14:12:40 | ][N-Flux | mornin |
| 15:12:43 | weimer | is back (gone 01:47:17) |
| 15:36:25 | Shoichi | hello everyone... |
| 15:37:20 | Shoichi | is somebody alive here?^^!! |
| 15:38:39 | Shoichi | yoohoooooo~~ |
| 15:44:29 | weimer | Shoichi: What's up? |
| 16:17:15 | ][N-Flux | ZZZzzzZZZZzzzZZZzzzZZzZZZZZzzZzZZZzZZzZ |
| 16:39:35 | Scuba2deth | Does any one know where to get Handconmobileoffice |
| 16:46:14 | Scuba2deth | does any one know where to get Handcon mobile office (The office suite which will be on the 5500) |
| 16:58:59 | mark_ | Scuba2deth: you cant yet |
| 16:59:51 | Scuba2deth | Well thats an answer :-( |
| 17:00:14 | ][N-Flux | gotta wait |
| 17:00:24 | mark_ | if they ever release it stand alone |
| 17:01:32 | ][N-Flux | I'm sure we will be able to get it in ipk form |
| 17:01:46 | Scuba2deth | Thats what I was hoping for |
| 17:02:21 | mark_ | ][N-Flux: legally? :) |
| 17:02:31 | tris_ | will the qpe CVS code compile with qt-embedded 3.0.2, all the site Ive seen want an earlier version, but 3.0.2 is the only download I can find (also, its damned huge!)? |
| 17:03:26 | Scuba2deth | The version for the Z has been watered down so its much much smaller |
| 17:03:36 | Scuba2deth | Also it includes Version 1.0 not 2.0 |
| 17:04:42 | ][N-Flux | mark_: we will see |
| 17:05:20 | Scuba2deth | Thanks for the info. |
| 17:05:34 | ][N-Flux | we do what we can |
| 17:05:44 | ljp | tris: qpe only works with qt-2.3.2-embeded right now. It should be in TT's ftp site |
| 17:06:00 | tris_ | TT? |
| 17:06:38 | tris_ | ah, trolltech |
| 17:12:20 | Aelfweld | ah 2.3.2 I was trying with 2.3.0 and it was just not working. I got as far as desktop.cpp but could not figure out the deal with qwsServer |
| 17:18:22 | ljp | plus you have to do some rigamaro with the config.h |
| 17:18:52 | Aelfweld | are there no packages to download that work? |
| 17:20:37 | tgall_pda | hmmmms |
| 17:20:42 | tgall_pda | greets gang... |
| 17:22:17 | ljp | 2.3.2 works, but you have to configure embedded correctly. |
| 17:22:33 | Aelfweld | blah |
| 17:23:30 | ljp | http://qpe.sourceforge.net/build.html |
| 17:24:01 | ljp | cp ./qt/qconfig*.h $QTDIR/src/tools |
| 17:26:02 | Aelfweld | ah I just reset qtdir to the embeded tree during my failed effort with 2.3.0 |
| 17:30:24 | Aelfweld | someone should really finish the dev tips to go all the way through downloading qt, qpe and installing |
| 17:31:43 | Hellaenergy | Aelfewld: I feel ya. |
| 17:31:47 | tux_mike | hrmm... ntt is coming to us and london |
| 17:32:08 | Hellaenergy | the japanees company? |
| 17:32:40 | tux_mike | yah, nippon telephone and telegraph |
| 17:33:02 | Hellaenergy | The more the meryer :) |
| 17:33:39 | Hellaenergy | Hopefully they will bring all the Japanees technology with them :) |
| 17:33:46 | tux_mike | actually i wouldn't mind having a phone that interoperates here, in japan and in london |
| 17:34:04 | tgall_pda | gsm? |
| 17:34:10 | Hellaenergy | interoperates? |
| 17:34:12 | tux_mike | Hellaenergy: i'm not a huge fan of the GSM 3G, i kinda like 1xrtt a little better |
| 17:34:25 | tux_mike | but, meh, 128kbps is 128kbps :) |
| 17:34:35 | tux_mike | tgall_pda: i'm assuming it'd be gsm |
| 17:34:43 | Hellaenergy | I don't know 1xrtt what is the differences? |
| 17:34:52 | Hellaenergy | s/is/are |
| 17:35:08 | tux_mike | it's a spin off CDMA, it's a part of the cdma2000 spec for 3g services |
| 17:35:35 | Hellaenergy | That is amazing that CDMA is still being used after all these years |
| 17:35:54 | tux_mike | cdma is stable and pretty good in spec |
| 17:35:58 | Hellaenergy | What are its perks |
| 17:36:09 | Hellaenergy | 1x.. |
| 17:36:34 | tux_mike | gsm as a voice compression sucks. i've used it in over-the-wire applications, and i could not get good fidelity compared to other codecs |
| 17:36:52 | tux_mike | Hellaenergy: pretty much the same as GSM/GPRS, it's just a competitor |
| 17:37:09 | Hellaenergy | Wouldn't that be nice if the US converted to metric once and for all :) |
| 17:37:19 | Hellaenergy | At least |
| 17:37:36 | tux_mike | if it weren't for those stonecutters... :) |
| 17:37:36 | Hellaenergy | sots |
| 17:38:03 | Hellaenergy | I thought they were all monkeys now :) |
| 17:38:08 | tux_mike | i would love to use metric. i try to use it more and more each day |
| 17:38:25 | tux_mike | Hellaenergy: do you watch the simpsons? |
| 17:38:28 | Hellaenergy | I makes sooo much more sense |
| 17:38:34 | Hellaenergy | But of course |
| 17:38:48 | tux_mike | seen the stonecutter ep? |
| 17:38:54 | Hellaenergy | Yup |
| 17:39:14 | Hellaenergy | Remember homer ended up with a bunch of monkeys in the end |
| 17:39:15 | tux_mike | Hellaenergy: yah, not this 5280 feet in a mile. where the fuck do you get 5280 feet?! |
| 17:39:32 | Hellaenergy | From the King of course :) |
| 17:39:45 | Hellaenergy | blah :p |
| 17:40:26 | tux_mike | well, i gotta go. i spent all my energy removing a sheet of ice from the driveway, and the only thing that will fix it is some food. |
| 17:40:31 | Hellaenergy | Any of the people in here from the us use GSM |
| 17:40:54 | tux_mike | ATT wireless, i think Voicestream, maybe Cingular. |
| 17:40:59 | Hellaenergy | Here in Minnesota we don't even have a real GSM provider. |
| 17:41:08 | Hellaenergy | Not true GSM at least |
| 17:41:17 | Hellaenergy | Gotta keep changing chips |
| 17:41:20 | tux_mike | i know Sprint PCS is CDMA |
| 17:41:29 | MSpin | ya vstr is 100% GSM |
| 17:41:45 | MSpin | Cingular used to be mixed, bt they are moving to gsm |
| 17:41:46 | Hellaenergy | I would love for them to make a GSM/Smart Card Compact flash card :) |
| 17:42:13 | Hellaenergy | Qwest is CDMA too |
| 17:43:06 | tux_mike | sprint is cdma and they're gonna stay cdma |
| 17:43:10 | tgall_pda | Hellaenergy: you're in Mn? ... I didnt know that .. me too |
| 17:43:19 | tux_mike | well, they're moving to cdma2000 |
| 17:43:24 | tux_mike | i can't wait |
| 17:43:28 | tux_mike | well.. bye... |
| 17:43:36 | Hellaenergy | tgall_pda: Ya me and kergoth :) |
| 17:43:53 | tgall_pda | yeah I knew Kergoth was here too |
| 17:44:09 | tgall_pda | heh ... MN is pda development central |
| 17:44:24 | Hellaenergy | kergot works like right accross the street from me |
| 17:44:30 | Hellaenergy | Small world :) |
| 17:44:42 | Hellaenergy | tgall_pda: Best Believe |
| 17:45:00 | Hellaenergy | Where do you stay in MN |
| 17:46:40 | tgall_pda | I'm down in Rochester |
| 17:46:46 | tgall_pda | I have for IBM |
| 17:46:51 | Hellaenergy | Mayo? |
| 17:46:54 | tgall_pda | I hack for IBM that is... |
| 17:46:56 | Hellaenergy | oh IBM? |
| 17:47:08 | Hellaenergy | sub contract for Mayo? |
| 17:47:12 | tgall_pda | yeah... I work in the Linux Technology Center |
| 17:47:22 | tgall_pda | naw... IBM has a good sized site down here.. |
| 17:47:24 | Hellaenergy | Keep up the good work :) |
| 17:47:33 | Hellaenergy | oh never mind then :) |
| 17:47:36 | Hellaenergy | ;) |
| 17:48:39 | roge99 | yo Hellaenergy |
| 17:49:21 | Hellaenergy | hey |
| 17:59:41 | NeoTron | sugar heard mark_ |
| 17:59:42 | Sugar | NeoTron: I last heard mark_ on IRC 57m 21s ago in channel #zaurus saying: ][N-Flux: legally? :) |
| 18:14:41 | mark_ | NeoTron: here. for a few mins |
| 18:18:27 | Scuba2deth | Has any one been able to get the Z to connect to a samba/windows share |
| 18:19:09 | mark_ | Scuba2deth: i've done it the other way round with my ipaq |
| 18:19:32 | NeoTron | mark_: figured out what the issues was with Eligo |
| 18:19:50 | mark_ | NeoTron: what you thought it was? |
| 18:19:56 | NeoTron | it was essentially busylooping using 100% CPU |
| 18:20:06 | mark_ | ouch :) |
| 18:20:35 | mark_ | want me to test it again? |
| 18:20:43 | NeoTron | uses aApp->processEvents() which returns right away when there are no events instead of qpp->processOneEvent() which waits till there is one |
| 18:20:52 | NeoTron | sure, let me build one |
| 18:21:25 | mark_ | NeoTron: still using SDL? |
| 18:21:28 | NeoTron | yeah |
| 18:21:36 | NeoTron | I like the features and such |
| 18:21:47 | mark_ | hmm, it was giving nasty background noise before |
| 18:22:23 | NeoTron | might be because of the busylopping to. who knows |
| 18:22:34 | mark_ | okay |
| 18:22:38 | mark_ | i'll try the new one then |
| 18:23:31 | NeoTron | http://david.hedbor.org/tmp/eligo_1.0b6_arm.ipk |
| 18:24:42 | NeoTron | binary was also compiled w/o debug btw |
| 18:25:41 | NeoTron | w/o optimizations I mean |
| 18:26:08 | mark_ | okay |
| 18:26:10 | mark_ | one sec, and i'll try it |
| 18:34:23 | NeoTron | any luck? |
| 18:47:15 | mark_ | NeoTron: installed, just trying now |
| 18:47:51 | NeoTron | ok |
| 18:49:06 | mark_ | what is the exact size of the ipk meant to be? |
| 18:49:23 | NeoTron | 527023 |
| 18:49:56 | mark_ | okay |
| 18:52:02 | mark_ | NeoTron: you are not gonna like this, but exactly the same problem(s) |
| 18:52:10 | NeoTron | hmm. |
| 18:52:14 | NeoTron | as in noise? |
| 18:52:16 | mark_ | yeh |
| 18:52:21 | mark_ | and low frame rate |
| 18:52:30 | NeoTron | I'm surprised |
| 18:52:59 | mark_ | well i deleted the exec and reinstaleld, so unes |
| 18:53:13 | NeoTron | got music? |
| 18:53:16 | mark_ | unless* that .ipk had an old binary in it its still buggy |
| 18:53:28 | NeoTron | what is the size of the binary? |
| 18:53:41 | mark_ | 202168 |
| 18:53:58 | NeoTron | should be the right one... |
| 18:54:14 | mark_ | okay then |
| 18:54:17 | NeoTron | hmm |
| 18:54:23 | mark_ | sorry :) |
| 18:54:26 | mark_ | gtg, good luck :) |
| 18:54:28 | mark_ | is away: I'm busy |
| 19:41:12 | fusion94 | morning |
| 19:41:29 | tris_ | evenin' |
| 19:47:48 | whardier | oh shit |
| 19:47:50 | whardier | that is just cool |
| 19:48:05 | fusion94 | whardier: http://isquare.org/sfbt/ |
| 19:48:11 | whardier | yeah |
| 19:48:14 | whardier | thats what I was thinking about! |
| 19:48:49 | whardier | well |
| 19:48:51 | whardier | not really |
| 19:48:59 | whardier | hehe |
| 19:53:07 | whardier | augh |
| 19:53:09 | whardier | CML2 is great! |
| 19:53:20 | fusion94 | heh you need help |
| 19:58:15 | J-Fly | Has anyone here had troubles with the usbdnet patch? |
| 20:01:46 | ljp | yes.. |
| 20:02:20 | weimer | is away: I'm busy |
| 20:06:25 | fusion94 | werd |
| 20:09:11 | whardier | http://www.microphones.com/cellular/prodpage.cfm?URLID=558 |
| 20:09:12 | whardier | want |
| 20:10:02 | ljp | whats that gonna prove? |
| 20:10:05 | whardier | http://www.microphones.com/miniature/prodpage.cfm?URLID=342 |
| 20:10:07 | whardier | REALLY WANT |
| 20:10:33 | whardier | http://www.microphones.com/miniature/prodpage.cfm?URLID=747 |
| 20:10:37 | whardier | super really want |
| 20:11:09 | whardier | http://www.microphones.com/miniature/prodpage.cfm?URLID=344 |
| 20:11:11 | whardier | anyways |
| 20:11:18 | whardier | those would be quite usefull on the Z |
| 20:11:52 | ljp | I just use my headphones |
| 20:12:54 | whardier | for a Mic? |
| 20:12:58 | ljp | yep |
| 20:13:06 | ljp | talk right into the left one |
| 20:13:07 | whardier | great response range |
| 20:13:10 | ljp | heh |
| 20:13:17 | whardier | I used to do that |
| 20:13:27 | whardier | its really silly |
| 20:13:27 | whardier | hehe |
| 20:13:48 | ljp | well.. I'm mostly just testing right now when I do |
| 20:14:22 | ljp | I have an AT-4050 that I plug-in! :) |
| 20:14:31 | whardier | I want a super small 1/8"inch to 25mm converter |
| 20:14:33 | whardier | like REALLY small |
| 20:14:36 | whardier | if it is possible |
| 20:14:51 | NeoTron | whee |
| 20:14:52 | ljp | I lloked everywhere around town for somethign like that |
| 20:14:53 | NeoTron | or so |
| 20:15:00 | whardier | ljp it would be REALLY handy |
| 20:15:10 | whardier | then I could use my headset with my Z |
| 20:15:15 | whardier | and I am pretty fond of my Z |
| 20:15:23 | whardier | I cannot wait for bluetooth to be in everything soon :) |
| 20:15:28 | whardier | like my cell phone/pda |
| 20:15:35 | whardier | that way I can use one headset for all of them |
| 20:15:37 | whardier | w/o wires |
| 20:15:50 | ljp | like magic |
| 20:16:09 | J-Fly | ljp: can you ping, ftp your Z? |
| 20:16:35 | ljp | J: I use CDCEther currently, I gave up on usbdnet |
| 20:16:46 | J-Fly | what rom image? |
| 20:16:49 | ljp | 1.11 |
| 20:16:53 | whardier | got wlan working again |
| 20:16:55 | whardier | that is a life saver |
| 20:17:08 | J-Fly | ljp: CDCEther works on 1.11? |
| 20:17:37 | ljp | Aelfweld was telling me he's got usbdnet working, and he's going to post a stand alone driver module |
| 20:18:03 | J-Fly | hopefully soon, usbdnet is driving me nuts |
| 20:18:09 | ljp | J: ya, but you have to extract the old net_fd module from 1.02 |
| 20:18:35 | ljp | and put that on the Z somehow |
| 20:18:43 | J-Fly | ljp: hmm, i dont know if i want to go through the mess... |
| 20:18:52 | ljp | there's an updated rom imange with the old net_fd available |
| 20:18:52 | J-Fly | any idea when he'll post the module? |
| 20:19:02 | J-Fly | ljp: where? |
| 20:19:35 | ljp | https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=39939&release_id=74113 |
| 20:19:55 | ljp | err http:// |
| 20:20:21 | whardier | web pages need to start using squid httpd accel |
| 20:20:26 | whardier | man some sites just suck |
| 20:20:54 | weimer | is away: I'm busy |
| 20:20:57 | ljp | ya, like http://www.hampsterdance.com |
| 20:21:04 | weimer | is back (gone 00:00:07) |
| 20:21:10 | J-Fly | ljp: whats the file? |
| 20:21:22 | J-Fly | nevermind |
| 20:22:29 | whardier | ljp 25mm is 3/32' right? |
| 20:22:35 | whardier | rr 3/32" |
| 20:23:35 | whardier | http://www.radioshack.com/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=CTLG&category%5Fname=&product%5Fid=274%2D397 |
| 20:24:35 | ljp | ya, I think so. they didnt have that in my local radshack |
| 20:24:40 | ljp | only the mono |
| 20:24:49 | ljp | sub-mini to mini |
| 20:25:06 | fusion94 | nice project filelist |
| 20:26:25 | Aelfweld | I'll post on sourceforge as soon as I can get added |
| 20:27:54 | Aelfweld | did you try the module ljp? |
| 20:28:18 | whardier | same here ljp |
| 20:28:58 | ljp | the usbdnet? I tried the patch |
| 20:30:12 | Aelfweld | ok but not the tgz |
| 20:30:21 | whardier | I could go for a few buckets of KFC right now |
| 20:30:22 | Aelfweld | that I made yesterday |
| 20:30:39 | J-Fly | Aelfweld: this rom i got from sourceforge, it assumes i can connect to the Z and put the romimage on my CF, correct? |
| 20:30:50 | ljp | Aelfweld: where's that at? |
| 20:31:15 | Aelfweld | http://veda.dyndns.org:8080/usbdnet-standalone.tgz |
| 20:31:19 | ljp | J: yes, or have a card reader for your desktop |
| 20:31:27 | Aelfweld | I have no idea what rom you mean J-Fly |
| 20:31:46 | ljp | the updated 1.11 with net_fd |
| 20:31:47 | J-Fly | sorry, the Mark Kim patch? |
| 20:32:52 | Aelfweld | J-Fly: as ljp said it assumes you have some way to put the romimage on a dos16 formated cf card yes |
| 20:34:50 | J-Fly | Aelfweld: whats the difference between your patch and Mark Kim's net_fd patch? |
| 20:36:14 | Aelfweld | i created a standalone version of the usbdent patch which can be compliled as a module and installed w/o going into the kernel which works for me on Rh7.x |
| 20:36:21 | ljp | net_fd needs to be placed on the zaurus. Aelfweld's driver is a desktop kernel module |
| 20:36:41 | J-Fly | i see |
| 20:37:04 | Aelf-Shower | bbiab |
| 20:37:21 | J-Fly | Aelf-Shower: so I need CDCEthere compiled in the kernel? |
| 20:37:31 | Aelf-Shower | no |
| 20:37:53 | kendrick2 | fastolfe? |
| 20:38:02 | J-Fly | i have a kernel compiled just with usbdnet |
| 20:38:13 | Aelf-Shower | then you don't need my file |
| 20:38:29 | J-Fly | yea, but i cant connect to my Z |
| 20:38:36 | kendrick2 | anyone know fastolfe's e-mail addr? |
| 20:38:39 | Aelf-Shower | my file is not going to fix that |
| 20:38:44 | Aelf-Shower | ok off I go |
| 20:38:53 | J-Fly | ok |
| 20:38:54 | kendrick2 | ll |
| 20:38:56 | kendrick2 | oops |
| 20:39:25 | tris_ | Hi, Im having trouble trying to cross compile qt-e, its barfing in 3rdparty/libpng with lots of missing headers (all the normal sys/ headers though), it looks like its the first time its invoking the cross compiler itself. Anyone know where Im going wrong? |
| 20:39:30 | kendrick2 | runs off |
| 20:39:32 | kendrick2 | breakfast! |
| 21:06:49 | whardier | pizza hut just gave me the wrong damn pizza |
| 21:10:00 | tris_ | Hi, Im having trouble trying to cross compile qt-e, its barfing in 3rdparty/libpng with lots of missing headers (all the normal sys/ headers though), it looks like its the first time its invoking the cross compiler itself. Anyone know where Im going wrong? |
| 21:11:57 | whardier | no shit |
| 21:13:10 | tgall_pda | whardier: bad mojo |
| 21:14:03 | whardier | haha |
| 21:14:04 | whardier | I know |
| 21:14:49 | whardier | I think Aikido wasfirst concieved by people who pushed cats |
| 21:19:19 | ljp | pushed cats into doing what? |
| 21:22:18 | tux_mike | bah, i wish there was a driver for this happauge wintv usb in linux |
| 21:23:52 | Fastolfe | sup kendrick ? |
| 21:24:18 | Fastolfe | hmm |
| 21:24:22 | Fastolfe | needs a brain |
| 21:25:02 | tux_mike | better than needing a brian |
| 21:26:18 | tgall_pda | tux_mike: not even in the latest kernels? |
| 21:26:40 | fusion94 | is away: errands |
| 21:27:17 | tux_mike | for the happauge? no. there is a somewhat usable driver, but since they cant figure out the compression, they haven't been able to make it work better than 1fps |
| 21:28:05 | tgall_pda | ouch' |
| 21:28:38 | tux_mike | i haven't checkked in a while though |
| 21:32:32 | whardier | is the wintv usb bt878 based? |
| 21:33:04 | tux_mike | this is the usb model, it may have a bt878 in it, but it relies on the nt1003 |
| 21:33:40 | whardier | what isthent1003 |
| 21:34:07 | tux_mike | chipb |
| 21:34:11 | whardier | ljp well have you ever noticed how a small cat can be surprisingly vexing to push? |
| 21:34:12 | tux_mike | chip by nogatech |
| 21:34:13 | ishmal | mostly done... porting a protocol lib to the Z, that's the last hurdle to getting this app working tehere |
| 21:34:20 | whardier | if they wanna stay there |
| 21:35:22 | tux_mike | manages to seperate the wintv from the mess of cables |
| 21:38:22 | whardier | I am trying to get my DC30 to work |
| 21:38:30 | whardier | its Zoran Based |
| 21:39:48 | tux_mike | sweet. there's a driver |
| 21:40:00 | tux_mike | sounds like nogatech helped on it |
| 21:40:07 | whardier | neat |
| 21:41:06 | tgall_pda | DC30? .. wow.. that's a bit old |
| 21:45:11 | ljp | does anyone know who did this http://desk.crynwr.com/scap/toipaq.cgi?fn=port.23273.png ?? |
| 21:47:40 | whardier | tgall still kicks ass :) |
| 21:51:44 | tgall_pda | heh... |
| 21:52:04 | tgall_pda | I had a DC40 ... was my first ... I'm on a DC260 now days ... |
| 21:53:06 | whardier | jesus |
| 21:53:10 | whardier | nolinux drivers :( |
| 21:53:47 | fiferboy | Anyone know where that nice page about how to get the Zaurus running with Linux is? |
| 21:53:55 | fiferboy | The ZZ forums are down it appears... |
| 21:54:34 | whardier | ? |
| 21:54:39 | whardier | the Zaurus runs linux |
| 21:54:44 | whardier | pleasesay youdon't havewinceon yours |
| 21:55:10 | fiferboy | Sorry, I meant syncing with Linux. My mistake... |
| 21:55:16 | whardier | heh |
| 21:55:27 | whardier | grab qtopiadesktop |
| 21:55:39 | ljp | anyone know how I can get this crappy linux off my Z and put on winCE? |
| 21:55:43 | fiferboy | I mean about configuring your kernel with usbdnet |
| 21:55:45 | ljp | :D |
| 21:56:01 | whardier | eww |
| 21:56:07 | fiferboy | You have to put something in about the hardware id, or something... |
| 21:56:24 | ljp | I want that sysinfo app mod |
| 21:57:25 | whardier | didsomebody add that to opie? |
| 21:57:52 | tris_ | Hi, Im having trouble trying to cross compile qt-e, its barfing in 3rdparty/libpng with lots of missing headers (all the normal sys/ headers though), it looks like its the first time its invoking the cross compiler itself. Anyone know where Im going wrong? |
| 21:58:16 | whardier | augh |
| 21:58:19 | ljp | whardier: not yet... I hope so. |
| 21:58:53 | ljp | ca't figure out who uses dialup.chcgil.ameritech.net |
| 22:01:05 | ljp | tris: you have your envorn set up correctly? |
| 22:11:14 | tris_ | not too sure, I assume Im missing some arm headers somewhere |
| 22:15:02 | ljp | you have the arm tool chain installed? |
| 22:17:40 | tris_ | yep, |
| 22:17:53 | tris_ | binutils-arm-2.9.5.0.37-1e3.i386.rpm |
| 22:17:54 | tris_ | cpp-arm-2.95.2-12e4.i386.rpm |
| 22:18:01 | tris_ | g++-arm-2.95.2-12e4.i386.rpm |
| 22:18:01 | tris_ | gcc-arm-2.95.2-12e4.i386.rpm |
| 22:18:01 | tris_ | libstdc++2.10-arm-2.95.2-12e4.i386.rpm |
| 22:18:01 | tris_ | libstdc++2.10-dev-arm-2.95.2-12e4.i386.rpm |
| 22:18:27 | ljp | well.. you wont need the libstdc++ |
| 22:18:53 | ljp | cause the zaurus doesnt have that lib onboard |
| 22:19:01 | tris_ | fair enough, is there anything missing though? |
| 22:20:59 | ljp | where did you get those? |
| 22:22:21 | tris_ | Actually got them from a magazine coverdisc :) |
| 22:22:47 | ljp | ahhh.. maybe glibc-arm? |
| 22:22:59 | ljp | http://more.sbc.co.jp/slj/docandtool.asp#tools |
| 22:23:09 | tris_ | That makes sense. |
| 22:23:37 | ljp | lineo's tool chain and cross compiler is available there |
| 22:25:59 | tris_ | I wonder if I can get away with just the glibc and headers rpms :) |
| 22:27:03 | ljp | probably |
| 22:27:27 | tris_ | Id already downloaded the binutils and gcc rpms from thier, but then remebered I had the disk, 18MB on this modem is a real pain |
| 22:27:47 | tris_ | [errr, sorry thats for the bloody glibc package) |
| 22:29:57 | ljp | well, this is fairly rude: http://www.sharp-usa.com/browser.html |
| 22:30:34 | | perlowj was last seen on #zaurus 3 days, 58 minutes and 30 seconds ago, saying: you suck! [Thu Feb 28 21:32:04 2002] |
| 22:30:34 | fusion94 | ibot: seen perlowj |
| 22:55:43 | tris_ | Has anyone done a skin for qvfb yet? |
| 22:56:53 | bipolar_away | is back (gone 21:14:40) |
| 23:00:18 | ][N-Flux | blah |
| 23:00:23 | ][N-Flux | I need some tools |
| 23:00:31 | ][N-Flux | dremel cannot do everything |
| 23:02:00 | tux_mike | ][N-Flux: yah, you also need duct tape |
| 23:02:18 | ][N-Flux | hehehe |
| 23:02:35 | ][N-Flux | wanna do some case mod's and work on my monitor aquariums |
| 23:02:58 | tux_mike | old iMac == hampster cage |
| 23:03:26 | tux_mike | 2 old iMacs connected with tubes == appletalk network |
| 23:03:38 | ][N-Flux | hehehehe |
| 23:04:15 | Aelfweld | lol |
| 23:04:20 | tux_mike | it's plug and play. |
| 23:04:40 | tux_mike | of course you need a devider in the tubes to turn appletalk on and off |
| 23:05:25 | tux_mike | but be careful not to disable appletalk while there's a packet on the network, or you'll crash the network |
| 23:05:41 | tux_mike | gotta reboot |
| 23:28:08 | tris_ | Is there a known problem with the minesweeper in the qpe cvs, it doesnt seem to be linking. |
| 23:31:59 | tris_ | Most of the apps seem to be compiling, but bloodey mine sweeper is failing. |
| 23:36:49 | tux_mike | there was no patch for the 1.1 rom? |
| 23:39:07 | tris_ | Neither minesweeper or security compile, think there may be some others, thier complaining about some QtMetaObject linkage stuff |
| 23:41:00 | em1ssnuke | tris_: I've attempted in getting my dev station setup ... what did u do to get Qtopia to build the example? |
| 23:41:35 | whardier | wawa.. chicka wawawa.. |
| 23:42:14 | em1ssnuke | is that why your called wadier |
| 23:42:38 | em1ssnuke | sorry wahdrdier |
| 23:43:01 | em1ssnuke | whardier ... maybe i'll type it right ..... |
| 23:43:36 | whardier | wha |
| 23:44:04 | em1ssnuke | ...big help u r |
| 23:45:25 | em1ssnuke | ... well off to figure it out on my own ... again. |
| 23:45:40 | whardier | ? |
| 23:45:41 | whardier | wha! |
| 23:46:54 | tris_ | Hmm, Im beginning to suspect that maybe the qpe thats in the 1.1 rom has a lot of stuff thats not in the qpe cvs, does the license allow that? |
| 23:47:45 | whardier | damn trolltech is always up to something! |
| 23:47:58 | ljp | that would be Sharp- |
| 23:48:09 | whardier | damn sharp is always up to something! |
| 23:48:16 | ljp | Sharp has their own qpe tree |
| 23:48:24 | ljp | just like Opie |
| 23:48:40 | whardier | damn opiates.. |
| 23:48:41 | tris_ | Dont suppose anyone can confirm if there is a known problem with some of the apps building is there? |
| 23:49:10 | Fastolfe | 1w2h3a4r5d6i7e8r 1i2s 3o4n 5c6r7a8c9k 1!2!3!4! |
| 23:49:15 | tris_ | Presumably the QPL allows them to distribute binary only version of qpe then does it? |
| 23:50:18 | whardier | yeah |
| 23:50:29 | whardier | dont ever trust CVS vs Stable |
| 23:50:52 | whardier | when stable is not all that stable |
| 23:51:23 | Fastolfe | I download all my software from Russian fidonet nodes myself, I don't trust the innurnet, let alone the ooeb |
| 23:51:31 | whardier | hahaha |
| 23:51:47 | whardier | fidonet |
| 23:51:48 | whardier | haha |
| 23:52:01 | Fastolfe | BBS rulez man |
| 23:52:03 | whardier | compiles a fidonet module for the Z |
| 23:52:08 | Fastolfe | innurnet == evil |
| 23:52:36 | Fastolfe | innurnet allows attachment bigger than 16K, like God intended |
| 23:52:58 | whardier | hehe |
| 23:53:30 | Fastolfe | I bought an MMC card yesterday |
| 23:53:35 | Fastolfe | man that thing is SLOOOWWWW! |
| 23:53:48 | whardier | true |
| 23:53:51 | Aelf-Bills | I think you should use fsp fast |
| 23:53:54 | whardier | but handy |
| 23:54:05 | Fastolfe | fsp ? |
| 23:54:08 | whardier | ? |
| 23:54:20 | Fastolfe | whatzat ? FirSt Prost ? |
| 23:54:38 | ljp | heh- well, maybe if you rewrote the driver is asm it'd be faster! |
| 23:54:40 | whardier | heh |
| 23:54:46 | ljp | s/is/in |
| 23:54:47 | Aelf-Bills | hehe it was an ftp alternative |
| 23:54:57 | Fastolfe | ljp: I reckon it's because of the serial protocol to talk to the damn thing |
| 23:55:08 | Fastolfe | Aelf-Bills: oic |
| 23:55:27 | Fastolfe | I say Zmodem forever baby |
| 23:56:36 | tux_mike | uucp man, uucp! |
| 23:56:52 | ljp | oh, man, you guys and your protocols! |
| 23:56:59 | Fastolfe | tux_mike: aaww that's too modern man |
| 23:57:20 | tux_mike | if i haven't used it, it's not modern :) |
| 23:57:42 | Fastolfe | you have used it last time you've sent an email with an attachment :) |
| 23:57:43 | Fastolfe | duh |
| 23:57:48 | tris_ | Hmmm, the build system doesnt even attempt to build half the apps, (which is a shame, because unlike the one it DOES try to build, the other work). |
| 23:58:09 | tux_mike | hrm? i thought that was mime and maybe uuencode |
| 23:58:16 | Fastolfe | which leads us to : FIDONET FOREVER BABY ! |
| 23:58:26 | Fastolfe | uuencoded yes |
| 23:58:40 | Fastolfe | it's got 2 Us, that makes it modern doesn't it ? |
| 23:58:40 | whardier | i no use uucp |
| 23:58:51 | whardier | i use cu:) |
| 23:58:52 | tris_ | uuencode saves lives, thanks to sun not even dishing out a decent mailx by default. |
| 23:58:57 | Fastolfe | I know, but it's got 2 Us |
| 23:59:04 | Fastolfe | and I want to plug fidonet today |
| 23:59:05 | Fastolfe | dammmit |
| 23:59:40 | Fastolfe | tomorrow I'll plug the telegraph |
| 23:59:58 | Fastolfe | AND DON'T YOU TRY TO STOP ME FUCKITALL |
