| 00:00:27 | tux_mike | well, if a program is bundeled with a config file, is there any way of telling it's a config file :) |
| 00:00:42 | kergoth | nope |
| 00:00:46 | kergoth | just that its a file owned by that package |
| 00:00:51 | tux_mike | hrm... |
| 00:00:54 | kergoth | config files arent awarded special handling |
| 00:00:54 | kergoth | yet |
| 00:00:56 | kergoth | .iirc |
| 00:01:39 | tux_mike | ok |
| 00:01:41 | tux_mike | hrm... |
| 00:01:45 | kendrick2 | ipkg needs help :( |
| 00:01:53 | kendrick2 | like, i can't 'upgrade' :( |
| 00:01:55 | tux_mike | because beaming in the app launcher would be slick |
| 00:02:02 | kendrick2 | i need to uninstall, then install new |
| 00:02:03 | tux_mike | and upgrade would be good |
| 00:02:06 | sieve | later all.. Thanks for the input again.. |
| 00:02:09 | kendrick2 | and the gui ipkg handler needs a LOT a LOT of work |
| 00:02:12 | kendrick2 | cya sieve |
| 00:02:17 | Neo|Work | is away: I'm busy |
| 00:02:20 | kergoth | kendrick2: planning on redesigning the interface |
| 00:02:22 | kendrick2 | it's suitable, but so not all the way ther,e yet |
| 00:02:29 | Neo|Work | is back (gone 00:00:01) |
| 00:02:38 | kendrick2 | needs to show WHERE .ipk is (like mp3 playe does) |
| 00:02:46 | kendrick2 | as well as where installed app is instaled (ram, sd, cf) |
| 00:02:51 | kergoth | yep |
| 00:02:56 | kendrick2 | and version #s |
| 00:02:58 | kendrick2 | and size |
| 00:03:02 | Plugs | Whardier, I tried the kernel you gave me a second time, the Zaurus doesn't boot or give any sign of life with it, but I do fine with the 2.6 zImage, but it doesn't have RTNETLINK. Can you try rolling another?? |
| 00:03:11 | kendrick2 | and size of installed (both before you go to install it, as well as once installed, when you go to delete) |
| 00:03:37 | kergoth | kendrick2: yep.. planning on adding a lot of those features when i wade into that code |
| 00:03:57 | kergoth | kendrick2: i'm going to finish porting Sarien to qtopia and then I'm going to clean up the image viewer.. after that i may work on it |
| 00:03:58 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:04:35 | kergoth | (cd ..; ./configure -make qsarien;) |
| 00:04:36 | kergoth | er |
| 00:04:38 | kergoth | wrong window |
| 00:04:38 | kendrick2 | "Serien?" |
| 00:04:46 | | sarien is probably http://sarien.sourceforge.net/ |
| 00:04:46 | kergoth | ibot: sarien? |
| 00:04:48 | kendrick2 | image viewer should do zoom in/out!!! |
| 00:04:52 | kergoth | kendrick2: i know |
| 00:04:55 | kergoth | kendrick2: :-) |
| 00:05:20 | kendrick2 | and pan ;) |
| 00:05:23 | kendrick2 | yeah yeah... pan |
| 00:05:25 | kendrick2 | hehe hehemhmhm cool |
| 00:05:41 | kergoth | yeah I'm going to have it pull the images in in 100% mode with scrollbars to look around.. and add zoom in/out |
| 00:05:48 | kergoth | as well as reducing memory usage |
| 00:05:55 | kendrick2 | brb |
| 00:06:01 | kergoth | woot |
| 00:06:04 | kergoth | time to go home |
| 00:06:06 | kend-busy | cya |
| 00:17:11 | kend-busy | runs |
| 00:17:12 | kend-busy | byebye |
| 00:29:25 | Plugs | whardier, could you check for me : grep -i rtnetlink kernel/System.map in the kernel you build for me? |
| 00:30:21 | tux_mike | mmm... mike's |
| 01:00:08 | kergoth | re |
| 01:03:13 | Neo|Work | wb |
| 01:12:42 | Neo|Work | "This is a very simple yet efficient adaptation of |
| 01:12:42 | Neo|Work | quaternions to combined x/y/z rotations. Quaternions |
| 01:12:42 | Neo|Work | avoid the gimble lock problem. |
| 01:12:42 | Neo|Work | to rotate a point only requires 3 multiplies and 4 |
| 01:12:42 | Neo|Work | additions. |
| 01:12:42 | Neo|Work | " |
| 01:12:48 | Neo|Work | man, I have no idea what the heck that means |
| 01:12:53 | kergoth | lol |
| 01:12:59 | Neo|Work | quaternions? gimble lock? wtf? :P |
| 01:12:59 | kergoth | i just thought... |
| 01:13:02 | kergoth | 'what?' |
| 01:13:20 | Neo|Work | ...from the SDL list btw.. |
| 01:13:58 | Neo|Work | oh well, I'm not a 3D kind of guy |
| 01:15:16 | ToyKeeper | quaternions are neat. |
| 01:15:26 | ToyKeeper | I never quite figured them out, but.... |
| 01:15:29 | kergoth | ToyKeeper: hah |
| 01:15:41 | kergoth | ToyKeeper: but you know they're neat, right? ;-) |
| 01:15:45 | ToyKeeper | rotating based on x/y/z axes has problems. |
| 01:15:49 | ToyKeeper | I know this much. |
| 01:15:54 | kergoth | ah |
| 01:16:06 | ToyKeeper | I was going to make a few projects for which regular rotation wasn't sufficient. |
| 01:16:16 | ToyKeeper | But I never spent the effort to learn how to use quaternions. |
| 01:17:28 | kergoth | interesting |
| 01:17:40 | kergoth | doesnt know much about 3d graphics programming |
| 01:18:30 | Neo|Work | ditto here |
| 01:18:33 | Neo|Work | nothing basically. :P |
| 01:19:07 | kergoth | hehe |
| 01:19:17 | kergoth | ive always been better at writing backends than GUI stuff |
| 01:22:13 | ljp | if( LibraryDlg) |
| 01:22:13 | ljp | delete LibraryDlg; |
| 01:22:18 | ljp | opps |
| 01:23:42 | scanline | is away: studying, then taking a test |
| 01:29:31 | Aelfweld | ok someone needs to make a usb controller for the Z. that way I can go to work plug into a usb hub get an ethernet connection and harddrive like magic and do the same at home ;) |
| 01:31:37 | ToyKeeper | It's called usbnet. |
| 01:32:10 | ToyKeeper | Haven't tried it on the Z, but it works well on the ipaq... so long as you have linux on it and linux on your PC. |
| 01:33:14 | ToyKeeper | usbnet and nfs work nicely. |
| 01:33:58 | Aelfweld | yeah but with a usb controller I would not have to have a pc to connect to. I could travel with the devices |
| 01:41:22 | file[bed] | anybody alive? |
| 01:44:44 | kergoth | barely |
| 01:44:49 | Aelfweld | nope |
| 01:44:54 | file[bed] | :| |
| 01:44:57 | file[bed] | my head hurts... alot |
| 01:46:35 | file[bed] | what's the purpose of life? |
| 01:47:29 | ToyKeeper | Learning. |
| 01:47:34 | kergoth | purpose? |
| 01:47:36 | kergoth | what purpose? |
| 01:47:37 | kergoth | hehe |
| 01:47:45 | file[bed] | fine. |
| 01:47:48 | ToyKeeper | In a word. :) |
| 01:48:01 | file[bed] | :) |
| 01:51:53 | file[bed] | my head hurts... more |
| 01:57:22 | question | has anyone gotten the pharos igps to work under zaurus? |
| 01:57:53 | tgall | sigh ... what a day! |
| 02:16:31 | tgall_pda | hmmm |
| 02:17:34 | tgall_pda | hey ya kergoth |
| 02:22:09 | kergoth | hey |
| 02:24:11 | Neo|Work | is away: home |
| 02:26:19 | tgall_pda | hmmm ok questoin |
| 02:26:30 | tgall_pda | for building OZ ... I need libgdbm |
| 02:26:45 | kergoth | you do? |
| 02:26:45 | kergoth | hm |
| 02:26:48 | kergoth | for what package? |
| 02:26:51 | tgall_pda | at the mo when I build gnupg |
| 02:27:06 | tgall_pda | /opt/Embedix/tools/arm-linux/bin/ld: cannot find -lgdbm |
| 02:27:10 | kergoth | hmmm |
| 02:27:21 | tgall_pda | yeah .configure is mis-picking it up I think |
| 02:27:35 | tgall_pda | so in theory should we add a gdbm.mk config? |
| 02:27:47 | tgall_pda | (which is what I'm kinda starting to do) ... |
| 02:28:09 | tgall_pda | but before I get too far down the path .. I figure I'd ask |
| 02:29:18 | kergoth | well if we need it, yup |
| 02:29:27 | kergoth | im not sure why it built fine on my box.. hehe. |
| 02:29:46 | tgall_pda | well I'd think if you didn't have the lib it'd die a hard death... |
| 02:29:48 | kergoth | must have libgdbm somewhere in the arm lib path |
| 02:29:53 | kergoth | yeah |
| 02:30:18 | tgall_pda | ok ... so now I should ask ya about the format of the .mk 8-) |
| 02:30:40 | kergoth | oh its pretty basic.. its just a makefile.. the base makefile just does a make -f configs/blah.mk |
| 02:30:41 | tgall_pda | what's Insttarget about? |
| 02:31:27 | kergoth | install command consists of $(InstCmd) $(InstFlags) $(InstTarget) or something simliar.. so make install; would have the cmd as make, the target as 'install' |
| 02:31:28 | kergoth | iirc |
| 02:31:40 | kergoth | its been a while since i looked at the current system, i'm tryiing to revamp it :-) |
| 02:31:40 | tgall_pda | ah ... hmmm |
| 02:31:56 | tgall_pda | install-exec probably isn't the right thing for a lib |
| 02:32:04 | tgall_pda | looks at the glibc.mk |
| 02:32:52 | kergoth | iirc install-exec installs the ldd binary and the like in glibc, but shit its been a while since i looked at it. hehe. |
| 02:33:00 | kergoth | I took a break from the buildsystem to do some real coding :-) |
| 02:33:07 | tgall_pda | so'ok ... I'm seeing another way to do it |
| 02:33:12 | tgall_pda | heh... |
| 02:33:19 | kergoth | feel free to hack at it |
| 02:33:23 | tgall_pda | yeah I've been doing some real coding the past few days too... time for some fun! |
| 02:33:24 | kergoth | glibc.mk is ugly |
| 02:33:43 | kergoth | gnupg.mk, nano.mk, bash.mk etc are a bit cleaner, use the template |
| 02:33:47 | tgall_pda | I dunno... I've seen worse! |
| 02:34:01 | tgall_pda | looks |
| 02:34:21 | kergoth | yeah in adding these items to the buildsystem i've seen what buildsystems SHOULD NOT be |
| 02:34:23 | kergoth | hehe |
| 02:34:37 | tgall_pda | heh... |
| 02:34:53 | tgall_pda | like the first JVM I wrote... complete throw away piece of trash |
| 02:35:20 | kergoth | i was digging in some of my old code the other day.. scary |
| 02:35:30 | kergoth | found perl scipts which ihave no idea what they do |
| 02:35:31 | kergoth | :-) |
| 02:35:43 | tgall_pda | heh |
| 02:36:07 | tgall_pda | do you think you're going to drop picogui in here? |
| 02:36:13 | kergoth | absolutely |
| 02:36:15 | kergoth | its on my todo list |
| 02:36:16 | tgall_pda | cool... |
| 02:36:23 | kergoth | scanline may assist with that since he did the port and all |
| 02:36:29 | kergoth | should be fairly easy |
| 02:36:35 | tgall_pda | actually I was also wondering if the intent stuff might be possible ... but that assumes one can pull that apart |
| 02:36:46 | kergoth | yeah ive been wondering about that myself |
| 02:36:58 | kergoth | since someone mentioned it in a reply on the ML |
| 02:37:04 | tgall_pda | I know one of the intent guys... been chatting with him alot ... has some pretty cool demos |
| 02:37:25 | tgall_pda | well if scanline is going to look into pico gui... I'll see about intent... |
| 02:37:39 | tgall_pda | looks for hte URL ... |
| 02:38:12 | kergoth | cool, and I'll continue to rewrite the buildsystem itself .. well when i'm done adding qtopia support to Sarien and Scummvm and after I revamp the opie imageviewer.. and qipkg |
| 02:40:03 | kergoth | i need to get a new job. |
| 02:40:25 | littlebug | hey |
| 02:41:59 | question | Is there any way to keep the SD working after upgrading the prom to 1.11? |
| 02:42:25 | kergoth | ? |
| 02:42:28 | kergoth | sd should work fine |
| 02:48:08 | tgall_pda | kergoth: new job? ... what'cha do for a living? |
| 02:48:39 | kergoth | tgall_pda: unix tech support |
| 02:48:41 | kergoth | shudders |
| 02:48:43 | kergoth | :-) |
| 02:49:53 | tgall_pda | ah |
| 02:50:10 | tgall_pda | nibbitz ... the license for intent won't allow for redistribution |
| 02:50:12 | tgall_pda | frak! |
| 02:50:42 | kergoth | ah i was afraid of that |
| 02:51:28 | tgall_pda | well perhaps they can be "perswaded" |
| 02:51:35 | kergoth | never know |
| 02:51:42 | tgall_pda | I mean if they want people to use it.... perhaps they will be open... |
| 02:55:30 | kergoth | well, we can hope |
| 02:55:40 | tgall_pda | talking to them now... |
| 03:07:13 | kergoth | hey BZFlag |
| 03:19:18 | Fastolfe | what is this handango stuff ? they look like palmgear.com wannabes |
| 03:21:54 | Fastolfe | PowerTerm Mobile for Linux : $149 lol |
| 03:21:58 | Fastolfe | riiiight |
| 03:22:41 | kergoth | lol |
| 03:22:45 | kergoth | a terminal emulator for $149? |
| 03:23:17 | Fastolfe | yeah ! |
| 03:23:31 | Fastolfe | I can buy 10 real terminals for that price |
| 03:23:32 | kergoth | thats insane |
| 03:23:35 | kergoth | lol |
| 03:23:49 | kergoth | pictures fastolfe trying to make 10 terminals portable |
| 03:23:55 | Fastolfe | heh |
| 03:24:12 | Fastolfe | I already made a 1942 morse key portable, why not a terminal |
| 03:24:26 | kergoth | hehe. way to push yourself |
| 03:24:31 | kergoth | new horizons and all that |
| 03:24:34 | Fastolfe | eyeballs his 5 in taiwanese VGA tube :) |
| 03:25:31 | Fastolfe | okay, ain't not enough free software on this site |
| 03:26:05 | kergoth | nope |
| 03:26:16 | kergoth | people arent adding their apps to it |
| 03:26:25 | Fastolfe | yeah |
| 03:27:14 | Fastolfe | My experience with releasing software is that I don't need to spend my time releasing a 100 copies all over the internet. If someone want to mirror my stuff, they can do it themselves :) |
| 03:27:52 | kergoth | sit back and let the users come to you, eh |
| 03:28:17 | Fastolfe | well, I maintain enough packages that I don't have time to make one than one release of each |
| 03:28:30 | kergoth | ah yeah |
| 03:28:58 | Fastolfe | unless I can rsync to handango, in which can it can go right in my release script |
| 03:29:00 | Fastolfe | checks |
| 03:31:41 | Fastolfe | screw it bleh |
| 03:35:32 | Fastolfe | ah ah! looks like the ioccc guys are nearly done judging this year's entries |
| 03:39:14 | kergoth | yawns |
| 03:39:51 | Hellaenergy | Man, $150 for that PowerTerm Mobile for Linux app? |
| 03:39:53 | Hellaenergy | :p |
| 03:40:11 | Hellaenergy | http://www.handago.com/sharp/ |
| 03:42:27 | Fastolfe | Hellaenergy: yeah, the guy's probably stuck in the 70s :) |
| 03:42:37 | Hellaenergy | Thank you |
| 03:42:48 | Fastolfe | ? |
| 03:42:52 | fusion94 | nothing wrong with the 70's |
| 03:42:59 | Hellaenergy | Yes I agree |
| 03:43:06 | tgall_pda | reasonable music |
| 03:43:15 | fusion94 | some of us are old and were born in the 60's |
| 03:43:23 | Fastolfe | 70s are great, but 70s software is commodity today. Twas expensive back then |
| 03:43:52 | Fastolfe | Hey, my car was made in 73, so don't tell me I don't like the era :) |
| 03:43:57 | fusion94 | heh |
| 03:44:08 | fusion94 | they made gremlins in 73 ? |
| 03:44:12 | fusion94 | hides |
| 03:44:15 | Fastolfe | lol |
| 03:45:17 | Fastolfe | 'course, in the 70s, there was no Sourceforge, so things were less bleak, eh fusion ? :) |
| 03:45:27 | fusion94 | i liked the 70's |
| 03:45:34 | Fastolfe | yeah |
| 03:45:44 | fusion94 | all i had to do back then was hang out with friends....play bal...no job |
| 03:45:52 | fusion94 | play ball even |
| 03:45:55 | Fastolfe | I miss the cold war |
| 03:45:58 | fusion94 | that was the life :P |
| 03:46:26 | Fastolfe | at least it was somewhat exciting and spyish, and the towelheads didn't have room to blow things up |
| 03:46:33 | fusion94 | heh |
| 03:46:38 | em1ssnuke | I loved the cold war! |
| 03:46:46 | fusion94 | arent you from like france or something ? |
| 03:46:48 | em1ssnuke | LOved being on West PAC! |
| 03:46:49 | Fastolfe | yeah |
| 03:47:07 | em1ssnuke | <--- was on a spook boat |
| 03:47:07 | Fastolfe | em1ssnuke: I suspect even the russians miss the USSR these days |
| 03:47:16 | em1ssnuke | :)))))) |
| 03:48:03 | Fastolfe | and iceland's tourist economy has taken a plunge since nobody goes do summits there anymore |
| 03:48:08 | Fastolfe | (and that's not a joke :) |
| 03:49:57 | em1ssnuke | Maybe the arabs should go their for summits ;) |
| 03:50:13 | em1ssnuke | icelan != arabs |
| 03:50:17 | em1ssnuke | iceland |
| 03:50:23 | Fastolfe | yeah, and we should sneakily blow up the whole place when they've all arrived |
| 03:50:31 | fusion94 | heh |
| 03:50:44 | em1ssnuke | Now that's an idea! |
| 03:50:46 | fusion94 | the #1 Colonists of Arab Countries was France btw |
| 03:50:52 | fusion94 | blame FRANCE |
| 03:50:56 | Fastolfe | we french have had terrorism on our land since 1969 |
| 03:50:58 | Fastolfe | fuckers |
| 03:51:06 | Fastolfe | fusion94: yeah, I know |
| 03:51:15 | em1ssnuke | Yea poor blokes |
| 03:51:15 | fusion94 | damn foreign legion |
| 03:51:19 | Fastolfe | fusion94: what a goddamn mistake that was |
| 03:51:23 | Fastolfe | lol |
| 03:51:36 | fusion94 | actually they were pretty decent to work with... |
| 03:51:41 | em1ssnuke | ... oh yea blokes is british ... ;) |
| 03:51:43 | fusion94 | except for their officer corps |
| 03:51:43 | Fastolfe | the arabs ? |
| 03:51:52 | fusion94 | french foreign legion |
| 03:51:54 | fusion94 | FFl |
| 03:51:56 | Fastolfe | oh yeah |
| 03:52:02 | em1ssnuke | poor froggies .... ;) |
| 03:52:10 | Fastolfe | the officers are okay, I worked with some in the army |
| 03:52:12 | em1ssnuke | just joking |
| 03:52:22 | Fastolfe | but half the soldiers are convicts in hiding :) |
| 03:52:44 | fusion94 | the problem with the FFL officer corps is thats where the french ppl in the FFL are the enlisted aren't French |
| 03:52:49 | fusion94 | :) |
| 03:52:51 | fusion94 | runs |
| 03:53:05 | Fastolfe | heh |
| 03:53:17 | Fastolfe | I remember seeing a TV thing on the legion |
| 03:53:31 | Fastolfe | they showed new recruits from somewhere where they don't speak french |
| 03:53:40 | Fastolfe | the first thing there were taught was |
| 03:53:56 | Fastolfe | "This - is - a - beer - can" showing the actual thing :) |
| 03:54:10 | fusion94 | lol |
| 03:54:25 | fusion94 | if my old lady leaves me that wher ei'll be heading :) |
| 03:54:46 | em1ssnuke | <---- will head back to Thailand. |
| 03:54:50 | Fastolfe | says a lil' prayer for fusion94 :) |
| 03:54:57 | fusion94 | heh |
| 03:55:03 | Fastolfe | you must be mad |
| 03:55:06 | fusion94 | i spent 10 years in the US military |
| 03:55:19 | em1ssnuke | <---3211 days may self. |
| 03:55:21 | fusion94 | kinda miss it but its a single mans game |
| 03:55:27 | Fastolfe | US military == heaven compared to legion |
| 03:55:29 | em1ssnuke | 8yrs9mnyhs15days |
| 03:55:33 | fusion94 | um |
| 03:55:38 | fusion94 | not really |
| 03:55:44 | Fastolfe | yes :) |
| 03:55:51 | fusion94 | depends on what you do in the us military |
| 03:55:53 | Fastolfe | You know what the legion is made of don't you ? |
| 03:55:57 | J-Fly | anyone familiar with tansfering files/ethernet over usb? |
| 03:56:00 | fusion94 | oh i know them |
| 03:56:07 | em1ssnuke | ftp |
| 03:56:12 | tgall_pda | hmms |
| 03:56:17 | fusion94 | i spent 6 monthe in their version of "Ranger School" |
| 03:56:20 | Fastolfe | well then, you know that they are basically cannon fodder because they don't have a choice. |
| 03:56:31 | fusion94 | not the ffl paras |
| 03:56:34 | em1ssnuke | fusion94<-SF? |
| 03:56:35 | Fastolfe | fusion94: where was that ? |
| 03:56:40 | Fastolfe | fusion94: ooh the paras |
| 03:56:57 | Fastolfe | paras != troops |
| 03:57:05 | em1ssnuke | <--- we had selas on board once . .... ... ... |
| 03:57:07 | fusion94 | em1ssnuke: yeah..started out in ranger battalion then the last 7 years in 10th and 5th group |
| 03:57:21 | fusion94 | Fastolfe: piermisans ?? |
| 03:57:30 | Fastolfe | ????? |
| 03:57:30 | em1ssnuke | Know Gabe Ambrositis? |
| 03:57:36 | Fastolfe | in france ? |
| 03:57:37 | J-Fly | it seems that my zaurus wouldn't accept a USB device address of 3 or 4. Any idea on ways to force the zaurus to accept these addresses? |
| 03:57:48 | fusion94 | Fastolfe: somewhere near the harz mtn ranges on the border of france and germany |
| 03:57:53 | fusion94 | em1ssnuke: nope |
| 03:57:55 | Fastolfe | hmm |
| 03:58:11 | fusion94 | i'm probably mispelling the hell out of it |
| 03:58:18 | fusion94 | its called commando school |
| 03:58:21 | fusion94 | one sec |
| 03:58:28 | Fastolfe | I served near the basque country, it's the exact opposite, so I never heard of it |
| 03:59:51 | em1ssnuke | Come on go a something meant to sink .... |
| 04:00:59 | fusion94 | heh |
| 04:01:11 | fusion94 | em1ssnuke: was that english ? |
| 04:01:20 | Fastolfe | I was wondering too |
| 04:01:44 | Fastolfe | maybe it's a new version of "all your base are belong to us" |
| 04:01:45 | em1ssnuke | a->on ... damn it |
| 04:02:05 | em1ssnuke | damn it .... |
| 04:02:08 | em1ssnuke | :) |
| 04:02:10 | Fastolfe | lol |
| 04:02:35 | Fastolfe | so let's see what that makes us : |
| 04:02:46 | Fastolfe | Come on go on something meonnt to sink |
| 04:02:50 | fusion94 | heh |
| 04:02:53 | Fastolfe | still don't understand |
| 04:03:12 | em1ssnuke | m<---needs spelling and grammer checler |
| 04:03:15 | em1ssnuke | \checker |
| 04:03:20 | Fastolfe | lol |
| 04:03:24 | Fastolfe | indeed |
| 04:03:26 | fusion94 | Fastolfe: i was assigned ot a unit called PSSE back in 86-88 in West Berlin while the wall was still up |
| 04:03:36 | Fastolfe | fusion oic |
| 04:03:39 | kergoth | can i have a grammar checler too? |
| 04:03:41 | kergoth | :-P |
| 04:03:44 | fusion94 | we trained with the brits and the french as the city was still under martial law |
| 04:03:44 | Fastolfe | twasn't in france |
| 04:03:58 | Fastolfe | hmm |
| 04:04:23 | em1ssnuke | meant - past tens of mean |
| 04:04:25 | fusion94 | while there some of us went TDY to the Harz Mountains to a small camp there run by the legion for "French Commando School" |
| 04:04:33 | em1ssnuke | tense |
| 04:04:34 | Fastolfe | I kissed myself 10 months after I decided against joining the paras :) |
| 04:04:41 | fusion94 | lol |
| 04:04:43 | fusion94 | why ? |
| 04:05:01 | Fastolfe | cuz it's crazy ! duh |
| 04:05:17 | Fastolfe | likes to look at cows from the side |
| 04:06:08 | Fastolfe | fusion94: I decided against it when they showed us the video of the guys jumping at night |
| 04:06:12 | Fastolfe | thanks but no thanks |
| 04:06:21 | fusion94 | heh |
| 04:06:45 | fusion94 | try a night jump onto an airport at 480 feet above the ground....no reserve chute |
| 04:06:52 | Fastolfe | brrr |
| 04:07:06 | ][N-Flux | well, that sucked |
| 04:07:08 | ][N-Flux | is away: I'm busy |
| 04:07:11 | ][N-Flux | is back (gone 00:00:03) |
| 04:07:22 | Fastolfe | mankind is not meant to be dangling under a piece of cloth in pitch black, I say |
| 04:07:26 | tgall_pda | kergoth: around? |
| 04:07:29 | ][N-Flux | NeoTron: you around |
| 04:07:35 | kergoth | tgall_pda: yep, sup? |
| 04:07:37 | ][N-Flux | gammy's sucked |
| 04:07:50 | tgall_pda | where can I send you the gdbm.mk file? |
| 04:07:54 | kergoth | tgall_pda: just learning qt's inputhandling |
| 04:08:03 | kergoth | tgall_pda: |
| 04:08:05 | | Kergoth is probably busy fixing something or other. Email him at mailto:kergoth@digitalnemesis.net |
| 04:08:05 | kergoth | ibot: kergoth? |
| 04:08:11 | Fastolfe | heh |
| 04:08:15 | fusion94 | is away: dinner time |
| 04:08:18 | tgall_pda | thanks! |
| 04:08:25 | Fastolfe | fusion94: bon appetit |
| 04:08:34 | kergoth | tgall_pda: np. building cleanly, now? |
| 04:08:39 | tgall_pda | so far so good |
| 04:08:46 | kergoth | tgall_pda: glad to hear it |
| 04:08:55 | tgall_pda | next step intent! |
| 04:09:09 | kergoth | hehe |
| 04:09:12 | kergoth | talked em into it yet? ;-) |
| 04:09:51 | Fastolfe | gee, this handango thing should have just a simple form to upload free software, why become one of their "software partners" if you don't intend to sell your stuff ? |
| 04:10:21 | kergoth | godo question |
| 04:10:24 | kergoth | s/godo/good/ |
| 04:10:51 | em1ssnuke | Oh God - ...godo .... past tense? |
| 04:11:02 | kergoth | lol |
| 04:11:15 | kergoth | yeah it used to be a good question :-P |
| 04:11:21 | kergoth | godo |
| 04:11:23 | kergoth | wtf |
| 04:11:24 | kergoth | lol |
| 04:12:05 | em1ssnuke | Have to train my wife to say that one after ..... |
| 04:14:37 | kergoth | hah |
| 04:22:24 | Hellaenergy | How do you use moc and why |
| 04:22:48 | Hellaenergy | Does one use it on every cpp file? |
| 04:23:11 | Hellaenergy | Or is it just jor class defs |
| 04:23:15 | kergoth | Hellaenergy: moc is used for qt's signal/slots |
| 04:23:34 | tgall_pda | bugger ...need cramfs in my kernel.... |
| 04:23:41 | Hellaenergy | #include <qapplication.h> |
| 04:23:41 | Hellaenergy | #include <qlabel.h> |
| 04:23:41 | Hellaenergy | int main( int argc, char* argv[] ) |
| 04:23:41 | Hellaenergy | { |
| 04:23:41 | Hellaenergy | QApplication myapp( argc, argv ); |
| 04:23:41 | Hellaenergy | QLabel* mylabel = new QLabel( "Hello Zaurus", 0 ); |
| 04:23:43 | Hellaenergy | mylabel->resize( 120, 30 ); |
| 04:23:45 | Hellaenergy | myapp.setMainWidget( mylabel ); |
| 04:23:47 | Hellaenergy | mylabel->show(); |
| 04:23:50 | Hellaenergy | return myapp.exec(); |
| 04:23:51 | Hellaenergy | } |
| 04:23:53 | Hellaenergy | won't compile |
| 04:23:59 | kergoth | tgall_pda: ? oh your desktop kernel? |
| 04:24:02 | Hellaenergy | I get errors |
| 04:24:04 | tgall_pda | yup |
| 04:24:36 | kergoth | Hellaenergy: what are the errors? |
| 04:24:39 | tgall_pda | well [portable kernel this box is a bit special |
| 04:24:48 | kergoth | ah :-) |
| 04:25:00 | Hellaenergy | they are errors coming from the linker I think |
| 04:25:12 | kergoth | Hellaenergy: and they are...? got an example? |
| 04:25:18 | Hellaenergy | /tmp/ccazBr0r.o: In function `QChildEvent type_info function': |
| 04:25:18 | Hellaenergy | /tmp/ccazBr0r.o(.gnu.linkonce.t.__tf11QChildEvent+0x1c): undefined reference to `QEvent type_info function' |
| 04:25:20 | kergoth | yawns |
| 04:25:26 | Hellaenergy | is one of them |
| 04:25:35 | kergoth | er thats awfully ugly |
| 04:25:37 | kergoth | heeh |
| 04:26:07 | Hellaenergy | I seem to find the most fucked up shit in my adventures |
| 04:26:18 | kergoth | Hellaenergy: i noticed . hehe. |
| 04:26:23 | Hellaenergy | :) |
| 04:27:00 | Hellaenergy | Do you have any idea what that could be? |
| 04:27:16 | kergoth | not off hand |
| 04:27:23 | kergoth | it is linking in qt/e right? :-P |
| 04:27:30 | Hellaenergy | It is about a page long of that shit |
| 04:27:36 | Hellaenergy | yup |
| 04:27:41 | Hellaenergy | qpe and qte |
| 04:29:00 | Hellaenergy | can you try to compile that code and tell me what you get? |
| 04:29:37 | scanline | is back (gone 03:05:54) |
| 04:30:12 | question | does anyone know of software to interface with the pharos GPS on the zaurus? |
| 04:30:42 | kergoth | Hellaenergy: builds fine, and I ran it in the qvfb |
| 04:30:54 | Hellaenergy | ahhhh |
| 04:30:57 | Hellaenergy | fuck |
| 04:31:02 | Hellaenergy | damb |
| 04:31:04 | Hellaenergy | shit |
| 04:31:09 | kergoth | something in your libraries or buildsystem or something |
| 04:31:10 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:31:23 | Hellaenergy | lib out of the box |
| 04:31:28 | Hellaenergy | libs |
| 04:31:30 | kergoth | which box? ;-) |
| 04:31:40 | Hellaenergy | remember the 4 rpms |
| 04:31:55 | Hellaenergy | must be my build system...... |
| 04:32:04 | kergoth | libqpe and libqte didnt come from the toolchain rpms |
| 04:32:09 | kergoth | they're in the qtopia sdk |
| 04:32:16 | kergoth | you're getting your boxes confused |
| 04:32:17 | kergoth | :-P |
| 04:32:47 | Hellaenergy | I used 1.5.0-2 or somthing |
| 04:33:12 | kergoth | are you using my dev- source shell scripts? |
| 04:33:19 | Hellaenergy | qtopia-sdk-1.5.0-2.i386.rpm |
| 04:33:28 | Hellaenergy | dev-arm-qpe.sh qt-x11-free-3.0.1.tar.gz |
| 04:33:28 | Hellaenergy | dev-x86-qpe.sh |
| 04:33:34 | Hellaenergy | those? |
| 04:33:37 | kergoth | yep |
| 04:33:53 | Hellaenergy | minus the x11 one |
| 04:33:57 | kergoth | yeah |
| 04:34:14 | tux_mike | sets mode +gripe |
| 04:34:16 | kergoth | what buildsystem are you using? |
| 04:34:18 | kergoth | tmake? |
| 04:34:20 | kergoth | tux_mike: hah |
| 04:34:34 | kergoth | tux_mike: particular target to said gripes? |
| 04:34:38 | Hellaenergy | no not at all |
| 04:34:47 | tux_mike | SSSCA |
| 04:35:08 | tux_mike | it's back |
| 04:35:20 | tux_mike | i need a country to move to |
| 04:35:27 | Hellaenergy | what steps did you take to compile that kergoth? |
| 04:36:35 | kergoth | Hellaenergy: replaced my main.cpp in one of my qt concept code dirs |
| 04:36:46 | tgall_pda | hmmm any suggestions as to how the rom images for the sharp are put together? |
| 04:36:48 | kergoth | Hellaenergy: which gets built by the .pro using tmake |
| 04:36:56 | kergoth | Hellaenergy: err the makefiles get built by tmake that is |
| 04:36:59 | tgall_pda | ie... how could I take a rom image apart? |
| 04:37:07 | kergoth | tgall_pda: read configs/sharprom.mk |
| 04:37:11 | tgall_pda | danke |
| 04:37:20 | kergoth | tgall_pda: that build target downloads the rom and splits it into its components |
| 04:37:34 | tgall_pda | ah |
| 04:37:35 | Hellaenergy | try this |
| 04:37:36 | kergoth | tgall_pda: the sharproot target will loopback mount the initrd if you have cramfs support |
| 04:37:39 | Hellaenergy | arm-linux-g++ -I$QPEDIR/include -L$QPEDIR/lib -lqte -o helloworld helloworld.cpp |
| 04:37:52 | tgall_pda | well after a reboot I'll have it 8-) |
| 04:38:02 | Hellaenergy | arm-linux-g++ -I$QPEDIR/include -L$QPEDIR/lib -lqpe -lqte -o helloworld helloworld.cpp |
| 04:38:51 | kergoth | Hellaenergy: well i'd have to tweak that slightly, because I have my qt libs and qt includes in a different path than the qtopia ones, but ill test it |
| 04:39:03 | Hellaenergy | thanks |
| 04:39:42 | kergoth | Hellaenergy: well, it worked.. but i linked against the qt/e and qpe that I built for x86 and used g++ instead of arm-linux-g++ |
| 04:39:42 | question | can you put the ROM on the SD, the docs only talk about the cf card |
| 04:39:46 | kergoth | Hellaenergy: i dont use the sdk |
| 04:39:52 | kergoth | question: nope, cf only |
| 04:40:16 | Hellaenergy | kergoth: ? |
| 04:40:34 | kergoth | Hellaenergy: i compiled it for x86 just fine with a single g++ command |
| 04:40:44 | kergoth | Hellaenergy: but i couldnt test against the sdk because i dont use it |
| 04:41:32 | Hellaenergy | g++ -I/usr/local/qt-2.3.2/include -L$/usr/local/qt-2.3.2/lib -lqte -o helloworld helloworld.cpp |
| 04:42:21 | kergoth | /usr/local/qt-2.3.2? |
| 04:42:51 | Hellaenergy | that is where I have it |
| 04:42:54 | kergoth | ah |
| 04:43:07 | Hellaenergy | I still get linker errors ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 04:43:18 | Hellaenergy | why me :( |
| 04:43:44 | kergoth | i used g++ -I~/buildsystem/buildroot-oz/build/qt-2.3.2-x86/include -I~/buildsystem/buildroot-oz/build/opie-x86/include -L~/buildsystem/buildroot-oz/build/qt-2.3.2-x86/lib -lqte -o helloworld main.cpp; |
| 04:43:46 | kergoth | worked fine |
| 04:43:57 | kergoth | howd you build /usr/local/qt-2.3.2? |
| 04:44:58 | em1ssnuke | kergoth: Can I interrupt with a similar/related question .... I'm attempting to get the cross complier stuff set up on my machine. I've used the .rpms from the Sharp site, but there dosen't appear to installation script. ...so ... |
| 04:45:18 | kergoth | em1ssnuke: 'there dosen't appear to installation script' <-? |
| 04:45:40 | em1ssnuke | there done not appear to be an installation script ... sorry |
| 04:45:44 | kergoth | first of all, EVERYONE with crosscompilation difficulties please read jason's writeup on the subject that i assisted with |
| 04:45:45 | em1ssnuke | dose |
| 04:45:49 | em1ssnuke | does |
| 04:45:50 | kergoth | there is no install script |
| 04:45:54 | em1ssnuke | k |
| 04:45:55 | kergoth | you just install the rpms |
| 04:46:00 | kergoth | then set up your environment variables |
| 04:46:13 | Hellaenergy | kergoth: done read it, sorry. |
| 04:46:15 | kergoth | (though you can source the dev- scripts to set those.. the scripts are in jason's writeup) |
| 04:46:28 | em1ssnuke | where is this write up located? |
| 04:46:52 | kergoth | em1ssnuke: iirc its linked off of zauruszone.. jason sent out an email to the lists regarding it.. i dont have the url handy |
| 04:47:13 | em1ssnuke | k, ... i'll attempt to find ... thanks |
| 04:47:50 | Hellaenergy | kergoth: what is the CROSSCOMPILE ENV Variable for? |
| 04:47:51 | kergoth | Hellaenergy: btw when you use QApplication not QPEApplication, be sure to set up the connect() to ensure the app quits when the last window is closed. |
| 04:48:09 | kergoth | Hellaenergy: the crosscompile env isnt exported.. its just used internally in t he scripts to save me typing |
| 04:48:10 | kergoth | hehe |
| 04:48:50 | kergoth | Hellaenergy: app.connect ( &app, SIGNAL(lastWindowClosed()), &app, SLOT(quit()) ); |
| 04:49:41 | Hellaenergy | these scripts do not alter my SET anyways? |
| 04:49:47 | kergoth | yeah they do |
| 04:50:03 | kergoth | for TMAKEPATH, PATH, LD_LIBRARY_PATH (in x86 only), etc |
| 04:51:05 | Hellaenergy | TMAKEPATH=/opt/Qtopia/tmake/lib/qws/linux-sharp-g++ |
| 04:51:11 | kergoth | actually |
| 04:51:21 | kergoth | TMAKEPATH=/opt/Qtopia/tmake/lib/qws/linux-sharp-g++/ |
| 04:51:24 | kergoth | need that final / |
| 04:51:40 | kergoth | but it doenst matter in the problem you're seeing,. you're not even usign tmake |
| 04:51:42 | Hellaenergy | my point |
| 04:51:55 | Hellaenergy | the script does not alter my env |
| 04:52:01 | kergoth | err? |
| 04:52:09 | Hellaenergy | #!/bin/bash |
| 04:52:09 | Hellaenergy | CROSSCOMPILE=/opt/Embedix/tools |
| 04:52:09 | Hellaenergy | QPEDIR=/opt/Qtopia |
| 04:52:09 | Hellaenergy | QTDIR=/opt/Qtopia |
| 04:52:09 | Hellaenergy | PATH=$QTDIR/bin:$QPEDIR/bin:$PATH:/opt/Embedix/tools/bin |
| 04:52:09 | Hellaenergy | TMAKEPATH=/opt/Qtopia/tmake/lib/qws/linux-x86-g++/ |
| 04:52:11 | Hellaenergy | LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$QTDIR/lib:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
| 04:52:14 | Hellaenergy | PS1='!sharp-dev-x86\u@\h:\w\$ ' |
| 04:52:15 | Hellaenergy | export QPEDIR QTDIR PATH TMAKEPATH LD_LIBRARY_PATH PS1 |
| 04:52:17 | Hellaenergy | echo "Altered environment for Sharp Zaurus SL-5000D Development x86" |
| 04:52:21 | kergoth | ? |
| 04:52:24 | kergoth | what about it? |
| 04:52:34 | kergoth | then you run 'source dev-x86-qpe.sh' |
| 04:52:39 | kergoth | and start building stuff |
| 04:52:51 | Hellaenergy | source? |
| 04:52:54 | kergoth | source |
| 04:53:01 | kergoth | that pulls them into the current shell |
| 04:53:13 | kergoth | otherwise, you need to do something like sudo /bin/bash --rcfile dev-x86-qpe.sh |
| 04:53:13 | Hellaenergy | helloworld.cpp dev-.... |
| 04:53:20 | kergoth | ? |
| 04:53:21 | kergoth | nonon |
| 04:53:26 | kergoth | 'source dev-x86-qpe.sh' |
| 04:53:28 | kergoth | exactly |
| 04:53:32 | kergoth | at the prompt in your shell |
| 04:53:36 | em1ssnuke | kergoth: is this the url ... http://www.zauruszone.com/wiki/index.php?DeveloperSetupTips ? |
| 04:53:37 | kergoth | without the quotes of course |
| 04:53:47 | kergoth | yep |
| 04:53:53 | kergoth | thats it |
| 04:53:55 | em1ssnuke | k thanks |
| 04:53:56 | Hellaenergy | what does source do? |
| 04:53:58 | kergoth | hey kendrick |
| 04:54:15 | kergoth | Hellaenergy: like i said, source runs those commands in the current shell |
| 04:54:35 | kend-zaur | got konq installed finally |
| 04:54:36 | Hellaenergy | Learn lots of new things every day :) |
| 04:54:40 | kergoth | :-) |
| 04:54:44 | kergoth | kend-zaur: nice |
| 04:54:50 | kend-zaur | took /forever/.. tar + mv + ln -s :( |
| 04:55:05 | kergoth | kend-zaur: eh... what for..? new konq build not work out of the box? |
| 04:55:24 | kend-zaur | no - ipk didnt install on sd |
| 04:55:30 | Fastolfe | lolol |
| 04:55:32 | Fastolfe | http://www.zzz.com.ru/72num2.jpg |
| 04:55:40 | kend-zaur | had to do the same for strategic assault |
| 04:55:49 | kergoth | kend-zaur: ohh |
| 04:55:56 | kergoth | kend-zaur: yeah stupid alternate install paths is fucked |
| 04:56:09 | kergoth | Fastolfe: lol.. wtf... |
| 04:56:27 | kend-zaur | who's fault is that??? :( |
| 04:56:40 | kergoth | kend-zaur: not sure yet. i'll look into it |
| 04:56:59 | kergoth | kend-zaur: i'm going to be doing some research into it when i add ipkg to the openzaurus buildsystem |
| 04:57:16 | kend-zaur | did same for nethack but it dies when i go to 'play' |
| 04:57:30 | Hellaenergy | kergoth: Thanks but I give up *snap* :| |
| 04:57:40 | Hellaenergy | Have a good night all |
| 04:57:47 | kergoth | Hellaenergy: hehe. k.. night |
| 04:58:02 | kergoth | kend-zaur: 'dies'? could be due to the binary compatibility probs they had for a while |
| 04:58:07 | kergoth | kend-zaur: dunno |
| 04:58:24 | kend-zaur | something lock related |
| 04:58:31 | kergoth | ah |
| 04:58:35 | kend-zaur | i can cutnpaste the error ... hang |
| 04:58:40 | kergoth | k |
| 04:59:36 | kend-zaur | perm_lock: Operation not permitted Cannot lock perm for unknown reason (1). |
| 04:59:36 | kend-zaur | could be cuz on fat sd card |
| 04:59:43 | kergoth | ah |
| 04:59:46 | kergoth | thats probably it |
| 04:59:46 | NeoTron | is away: I'm busy |
| 04:59:57 | kergoth | doesnt have a SD card yet |
| 05:00:02 | NeoTron | is back (gone 00:00:02) |
| 05:00:16 | NeoTron | evening |
| 05:00:23 | kend-zaur | well damn! |
| 05:00:34 | question | can the prom update be done for "main memory"? |
| 05:00:40 | kergoth | question: ?? |
| 05:00:41 | kend-zaur | someone said it'd run, if not install |
| 05:01:33 | kergoth | brb |
| 05:01:36 | em1ssnuke | and you complain about my grammer ... ;) |
| 05:03:11 | kend-zaur | woah! konq wrtes on the taskabr! |
| 05:05:00 | kergoth | kend-zaur: ? |
| 05:05:50 | kend-zaur | like, the icons & clock go awa and it shows status |
| 05:06:04 | kergoth | woah.. it goes actual fullscreen? |
| 05:06:08 | kend-zaur | no |
| 05:06:25 | kend-zaur | just takes over the space (til done, or you click) |
| 05:06:31 | kergoth | nifty |
| 05:06:34 | kergoth | ill have to take a look |
| 05:06:42 | NeoTron | The mediaplayer does that too |
| 05:06:46 | NeoTron | and so does SA, haltingly |
| 05:06:48 | kend-zaur | needs zoom out feature like opera |
| 05:07:24 | kend-zaur | SA is bad. it gets occluded by taskbar so you can't get to all bnts (like 'quit!') |
| 05:07:55 | em1ssnuke | kergoth: I shouild've asked for this help earlier .. thanks ... I should be set up tomorrow. |
| 05:08:29 | kergoth | em1ssnuke: np :-) |
| 05:08:37 | em1ssnuke | bye for now .... |
| 05:08:51 | kend-zaur | but media player and sa write OVER taskbar.. not IN it :) |
| 05:09:13 | NeoTron | hmm. the language doesn't seem to be saved in locale.conf as expected |
| 05:09:27 | NeoTron | can anyone check their Settings/locale.conf on the Z? |
| 05:10:01 | NeoTron | it is saved somewhere though |
| 05:12:29 | kergoth | [Language] |
| 05:12:33 | kergoth | Language = en |
| 05:12:45 | kergoth | thats the language section in my locale.conf |
| 05:13:01 | NeoTron | hmm. My locale.conf wasn't updated unless it saved it in a different directory |
| 05:13:21 | kergoth | it might not be updated until you select a language in hte Language tool |
| 05:14:08 | NeoTron | it should be in locale => [Language] Language |
| 05:14:10 | NeoTron | strange |
| 05:14:33 | NeoTron | Well, I set it to norska and restarted qpe and it stuck. :) |
| 05:14:36 | kergoth | nah.. when it does the readEntry it just defautls to a language if it isnt there |
| 05:14:48 | kergoth | and after it defaults itll writeEntry the newly set lang |
| 05:14:49 | kergoth | so yeah |
| 05:14:53 | kergoth | run it once first |
| 05:14:54 | kergoth | :-) |
| 05:15:51 | NeoTron | my qpe (the binary download from qpe.sf.net) must not look in ~/Settings |
| 05:17:45 | NeoTron | 12213 access("/home/neotron/.qpe/locale.conf", F_OK) Ah! |
| 05:25:11 | kend-zaur | runs to watch enterprise |
| 05:25:14 | kend-zaur | cya. |
| 05:26:21 | NeoTron | cool. Localization now enabled. :) |
| 05:33:31 | MEGASTeP | is away: I'm away, dammit |
| 05:40:51 | NeoTron | oh yeah baby! :P |
| 05:40:54 | NeoTron | has some success. |
| 05:41:04 | kergoth | NeoTron: nice |
| 05:42:13 | NeoTron | seems like I finally nailed the fullscreen mode correctly |
| 05:42:16 | NeoTron | I think so at least |
| 05:42:39 | kergoth | fullscreen is a pain in qtopia |
| 05:42:40 | kergoth | eh |
| 05:47:22 | kergoth | i love the look of the liquid kde style someone ported to Opie |
| 05:47:24 | kergoth | its so nifty |
| 06:26:19 | kergoth | yawns |
| 06:35:56 | kendrick2 | HELP! |
| 06:36:00 | kendrick2 | qtopia won't run now!!! |
| 06:36:41 | kendrick2 | hello? anyone home!? |
| 06:37:19 | kendrick2 | hmmm :( |
| 06:41:18 | NeoTron | well, that sucks |
| 06:41:36 | kendrick2 | yeah... i did a qtopia restart, and i just kept getting the "Zaurus [please wait]" screen over and over |
| 06:41:38 | kendrick2 | i rebooted and got the same |
| 06:41:43 | kendrick2 | any tips on how to figure out what broke? |
| 06:42:01 | kendrick2 | (all i did was install a coupla of apps to SD card by hand... konqueror, nethack, strategic assault) |
| 06:44:19 | kendrick2 | guesses not :( |
| 06:44:30 | NeoTron | hmm |
| 06:44:30 | kendrick2 | i guess i'll post the bad news to the lists :( |
| 06:44:44 | NeoTron | I'm afraid I have no practical experience. |
| 06:45:42 | kendrick2 | maybe it's time for a new rom :) |
| 06:51:22 | J-Fly | is it possible to ftp to the Zaurus? |
| 06:51:24 | kendrick3 | well FCUK |
| 06:51:33 | kendrick3 | the cradle fucking totally locked up my desktop /again/ |
| 06:51:36 | kendrick3 | 2nd time today! :^( |
| 06:51:42 | kendrick3 | all i was doing was ssh'ing into the zaurus :( |
| 06:51:46 | kergoth | kendrick3: linux desktop? |
| 06:51:53 | kendrick3 | !!! yes |
| 06:52:04 | kergoth | ouch |
| 06:52:09 | kergoth | 1.1x rom? |
| 06:52:14 | kendrick3 | goes to hit [reset] and wait for fsck |
| 06:52:17 | kendrick3 | kerg - yes |
| 06:52:19 | kergoth | that is, usbdnet , not cdcether |
| 06:52:20 | kergoth | ah |
| 06:52:23 | kergoth | ugly |
| 06:52:28 | kendrick3 | cdcether |
| 06:52:39 | kergoth | oh.. old drivermodule on the Z? |
| 06:52:41 | kendrick3 | yes |
| 06:52:45 | kergoth | ic |
| 06:52:47 | kendrick3 | and cdcether patch on desktop |
| 06:52:56 | kendrick3 | and did i mention my zaurus won't boot into qtopia!? |
| 06:53:00 | J-Fly | kendrick3: how do you get ifconfig to recognize the zaurus |
| 06:53:03 | kergoth | i look forward to the usbdnet driver getting cleaned up and functional |
| 06:53:25 | kergoth | J-Fly: ifconfig doesnt 'recognize the zaurus'.. ifconfig brings up the interface to talk to the zaurus |
| 06:53:37 | kergoth | kendrick3: hmm.. try booting to a console and starting qpe manually |
| 06:53:38 | kendrick3 | /etc/network/interfaces |
| 06:53:39 | J-Fly | kergoth: so how do i get to that point? |
| 06:53:47 | kendrick3 | kergoth - it just sat there a long time |
| 06:53:52 | kendrick3 | i need to reboot my desktip |
| 06:53:54 | kergoth | kendrick3: unfortunaately i dont recall what button to press to drop to a console on bootup |
| 06:54:19 | kergoth | J-Fly: read the information on the developer site. http://more.sbc.co.jp/slj/index.asp |
| 06:54:38 | kendrick3 | my z's keyboard isn't working right now |
| 06:54:45 | kendrick3 | kerg - it's "/" |
| 06:54:53 | kendrick3 | then 'a' at the prompt |
| 06:54:58 | kergoth | ah |
| 06:55:01 | kendrick3 | flips zaurus off and back on |
| 06:55:03 | kendrick3 | desktop fscks |
| 06:55:05 | kendrick3 | siiiighs |
| 06:55:06 | kendrick3 | >:^( |
| 06:55:17 | kergoth | kendrick3: frustrated eh? |
| 06:55:39 | kendrick3 | surprised? :) |
| 06:55:45 | kergoth | not at all |
| 06:55:48 | kergoth | heh :-) |
| 06:55:49 | kendrick3 | ok.. typed "qpe" at the root prompt on the z under text mode |
| 06:55:51 | kergoth | k |
| 06:56:02 | kendrick3 | ok, i got qtopia.. sideways |
| 06:56:05 | kergoth | lol |
| 06:56:10 | kergoth | shut down qtopia |
| 06:56:34 | kendrick3 | thousands of "DateItem::text() 0" errors ALL over the screen |
| 06:56:51 | kendrick3 | (qtopia itself wasn't visibel at that point, except when i tapped or pressed panel btns) |
| 06:56:59 | kergoth | k |
| 06:57:06 | kendrick3 | attempts to navigate to 'shutdown' app to exit qtopia :( |
| 06:57:07 | kergoth | try running /opt/Qtopia/startqpe |
| 06:57:18 | kergoth | once you make it back to the prompt :-) |
| 06:57:41 | kendrick3 | no such file |
| 06:58:11 | kendrick3 | (desktop still fscking) |
| 06:58:18 | kendrick3 | needs to spit toothpaste - brb |
| 06:58:50 | kergoth | k |
| 06:59:26 | kendrick3 | find / -name startqpe seems to be taking forever |
| 06:59:31 | kendrick3 | me ^Cs if he can |
| 06:59:48 | kendrick3 | d'oh :( can't do ctrl keys from console |
| 06:59:59 | kendrick3 | so what the HELL did i screw up? |
| 07:00:20 | kergoth | no idea.. if it boots from console it should boot on startup... |
| 07:00:29 | kergoth | i figured it wouldnt boot when we ran it m anually |
| 07:00:44 | kendrick3 | well, it wasn't exactly successful |
| 07:00:52 | kendrick3 | it was sideways and spitting out thousands of errors a second |
| 07:01:01 | kergoth | it always errors like that |
| 07:01:05 | kergoth | it just hides them normally |
| 07:01:10 | kergoth | and rotaiton.. is an environment variable |
| 07:01:21 | kergoth | export QWS_DISPLAY=:Transformed:Rot270: or something simliar |
| 07:01:27 | kendrick3 | ! |
| 07:01:42 | kendrick3 | mer... desktop still fscking.. jeezus |
| 07:01:48 | kergoth | oops |
| 07:01:49 | kendrick3 | i shoudla made smaller partitions :) |
| 07:01:57 | kergoth | its export QWS_DISPLAY="Transformed:Rot270:0" |
| 07:02:02 | kergoth | that'll fix rotation |
| 07:02:10 | kendrick3 | i'll try it, as soon as 'find' is finished runningf |
| 07:02:16 | kergoth | and just qpe >./dev/null 2>&1 &; to hide the errors |
| 07:02:17 | kergoth | lol |
| 07:02:20 | kergoth | k |
| 07:03:28 | kendrick3 | ok lessee |
| 07:03:48 | kendrick3 | ahah |
| 07:03:54 | kendrick3 | well, i have qtopia |
| 07:04:04 | kendrick3 | now, as to why it totally fails at boot... any ideas? |
| 07:05:05 | kendrick3 | tries dropping out of console and letting it boot itself up |
| 07:05:09 | kendrick3 | maybe it was an SD issue!?!? |
| 07:05:15 | kendrick3 | sighs |
| 07:05:18 | kendrick3 | and there it went... it's booted |
| 07:05:26 | kendrick3 | tries the old 'Reboot' command next |
| 07:05:45 | kendrick3 | hears desktop grinding more... kdm coming up! :) whee! |
| 07:06:22 | kendrick3 | "Loading USB modules".. :) |
| 07:06:24 | J-Fly | kergoth: the operations manual isnt giving me much |
| 07:06:27 | kendrick3 | cheers it on |
| 07:06:40 | kendrick3 | Waits .. 5.. 4.. 3.. 2.. 1.. Zaurus Please wait |
| 07:06:51 | kendrick3 | "work, damn you! LIVE! LIIIIIVE!" |
| 07:06:58 | kendrick3 | oh shit, and i'm missing the daily show! :( |
| 07:07:08 | kendrick3 | argh |
| 07:07:14 | kendrick3 | ti's doing it again.. booting over and over and over |
| 07:07:18 | kendrick3 | (well, restarting qtopia) |
| 07:08:15 | kendrick3 | emails list |
| 07:12:05 | kendrick3 | posted |
| 07:12:09 | kendrick3 | wanders to his normal box |
| 07:13:15 | kendrick2 | re |
| 07:14:24 | kendrick2 | hmm.. qpe's not running at all this time :( |
| 07:18:30 | kendrick2 | ooooh |
| 07:18:39 | kendrick2 | "there was a problem creating configuration information for this program. |
| 07:18:44 | kendrick2 | please free up some space and try again" |
| 07:18:58 | kendrick2 | i'm out of storage! |
| 07:19:00 | kendrick2 | when did that happen!? |
| 07:19:03 | kendrick2 | blames konq :) |
| 07:19:09 | NeoTron | heh |
| 07:19:13 | NeoTron | SA uses some 1 MB or so |
| 07:19:51 | kendrick2 | it's all on SD! |
| 07:19:56 | NeoTron | hmm |
| 07:19:58 | kendrick2 | symlinked on RAM |
| 07:20:04 | kendrick2 | last i saw, i had 3-500K free |
| 07:20:11 | NeoTron | I have no clue |
| 07:20:28 | kendrick2 | /tmp! |
| 07:20:41 | kendrick2 | it's full of letter-named dirs (like "k", "v", "t", etc) |
| 07:20:44 | kendrick2 | looks like konq cache!? |
| 07:21:08 | NeoTron | certainly could be a possibility |
| 07:21:27 | J-Fly | is away: zzzz |
| 07:22:08 | kendrick2 | runs 'du | sort -n' |
| 07:25:01 | kendrick2 | oh fuck |
| 07:25:02 | whardier | hi |
| 07:25:06 | kendrick2 | i have a recusrive symlink |
| 07:25:08 | kendrick2 | and i can't rm it :( |
| 07:25:26 | whardier | yeah you can |
| 07:25:52 | whardier | how recursive is it? |
| 07:26:02 | whardier | hehe |
| 07:26:03 | whardier | unlink |
| 07:26:49 | kendrick2 | something like "ln -s . opt" |
| 07:26:59 | whardier | hahaha |
| 07:27:17 | whardier | rm ../dir/opt |
| 07:27:44 | kendrick2 | shit this is on a fat sd card |
| 07:27:49 | kendrick2 | "opt is a directory" :^/ |
| 07:27:53 | whardier | no no no |
| 07:28:05 | whardier | cd to where your dumbass layed down a link |
| 07:28:20 | kendrick2 | i am there |
| 07:28:23 | kendrick2 | /mnt/card |
| 07:28:29 | whardier | then rm `pwd`/opt |
| 07:29:14 | kendrick2 | "opt is a directory" :^/ |
| 07:29:23 | whardier | did you even try it? |
| 07:29:38 | kendrick2 | yes! |
| 07:29:39 | whardier | did you really "ln -s . opt"? |
| 07:29:41 | kendrick2 | rm `pwd`/opt |
| 07:29:46 | kendrick2 | i believe i did |
| 07:29:56 | whardier | what does ls -las say |
| 07:29:58 | kendrick2 | (it was a while ago... i was going to attempt to run a "tar -xzf" command at the base of /mnt/card) |
| 07:30:01 | whardier | I gotta see this |
| 07:30:22 | kendrick2 | 0 drwxrwxrwx 0 root root 0 Feb 27 19:33 opt/ |
| 07:30:33 | kendrick2 | has done bad voodoo :) |
| 07:30:36 | kendrick2 | cries |
| 07:30:37 | whardier | wtf |
| 07:30:38 | whardier | ok |
| 07:30:39 | whardier | heh |
| 07:30:42 | kendrick2 | :) |
| 07:30:51 | kendrick2 | wants his daddy |
| 07:30:56 | whardier | [-(Thu 2002-02-28 0:33:17)-(~/duh/)-]> ln -s . opt (hardwire @ segfault) |
| 07:30:57 | whardier | [-(Thu 2002-02-28 0:33:20)-(~/duh/)-]> rm opt (hardwire @ segfault) |
| 07:31:00 | whardier | its all good |
| 07:31:08 | whardier | what the hell did you do? |
| 07:31:15 | whardier | a hard link of a directory? |
| 07:31:19 | kendrick2 | not a hardlink |
| 07:31:29 | whardier | then howcome it does not show the symlink in the ls? |
| 07:31:47 | kendrick2 | if i do a du, for example, it goes "/mnt/card/opt", "/mnt/card/opt/opt/", "/mnt/card/opt/opt/opt" :) |
| 07:31:52 | kendrick2 | cuz it's busy box and it sucks? :) |
| 07:31:58 | whardier | hahaha |
| 07:32:09 | whardier | did you remount itself ontop of itself? |
| 07:32:16 | kendrick2 | >i< didn't :) |
| 07:32:23 | whardier | check mount |
| 07:32:23 | whardier | hahaha |
| 07:32:24 | kendrick2 | mount shows no such mojo |
| 07:32:27 | whardier | hmm |
| 07:32:42 | whardier | in opt is there an opt |
| 07:32:42 | whardier | ? |
| 07:32:50 | kendrick2 | this thing went completely haywire nuts, and i just now discovered konq's cache at up all my ram |
| 07:32:52 | whardier | and is it a symlink to ../opt |
| 07:33:01 | kendrick2 | whard, everything in /mnt/card is also in /mnt/card/opt |
| 07:33:08 | whardier | quit that |
| 07:33:13 | whardier | hehe |
| 07:33:26 | kendrick2 | what? :) |
| 07:33:34 | kendrick2 | hehe... sad thing is, i'm such a moron and forgot that SD is vfat |
| 07:33:36 | whardier | being a dorkus |
| 07:33:36 | kendrick2 | i hate windows |
| 07:33:38 | kendrick2 | i hate microsoft |
| 07:33:54 | whardier | it does not "have" to be that way |
| 07:33:59 | whardier | you could use ext2 |
| 07:34:00 | kendrick2 | i don't use windows anywhere, but i'm still stuck dealing with their shit on a daily basis ;) |
| 07:34:02 | kendrick2 | whard - yeah :^/ |
| 07:34:15 | kendrick2 | the 64mb 1.10 rom sounds miighty tasty |
| 07:34:21 | whardier | hahaha |
| 07:34:26 | whardier | you need a new z for that |
| 07:34:26 | whardier | heh |
| 07:34:28 | kendrick2 | er uh i mean 32 ;) |
| 07:34:32 | kendrick2 | hehehehe |
| 07:34:37 | kendrick2 | comes back to reality |
| 07:34:53 | kendrick2 | i think i'll run backup/restore while i've got a z, and not a brick :) |
| 07:35:06 | kendrick2 | doesn't understand why backup/restore is under settings :) |
| 07:35:15 | kendrick2 | glares at trolltech folks who argue "sysinfo" belongs in "apps" ;) |
| 07:35:18 | whardier | cause |
| 07:35:25 | whardier | http://www.notpunkrock.com/cat-in-glass.jpg |
| 07:35:35 | whardier | it only looks inhumane |
| 07:35:49 | whardier | in reality that is prolly one comfy cat |
| 07:36:02 | kendrick2 | awww! :^( |
| 07:36:03 | kendrick2 | heheh |
| 07:36:17 | kendrick2 | yeah... tip it over and you've got a kitten |
| 07:36:21 | kendrick2 | probably one willing to go back in :) |
| 07:36:55 | kendrick2 | heh - i wonder if filemanager will delete this for me :) |
| 07:37:26 | whardier | heh |
| 07:37:39 | whardier | qunlink opt |
| 07:37:39 | kendrick2 | nope... it just seems to get in an inf loop and eats up all the RAM ~>:^{ |
| 07:37:40 | whardier | err |
| 07:37:42 | whardier | unlink opt |
| 07:37:44 | whardier | that does not work? |
| 07:37:47 | kendrick2 | sees no unlink command |
| 07:37:52 | kendrick2 | "unl[tab][tab]" |
| 07:37:53 | whardier | TRY TRY AGAIN |
| 07:37:54 | whardier | hehe |
| 07:38:09 | kendrick2 | hang on |
| 07:38:13 | kendrick2 | frozen due to filemgr |
| 07:38:17 | whardier | haha |
| 07:38:17 | kendrick2 | need to reboot again :) |
| 07:38:35 | kendrick2 | man.. and i use this thing as my /production/ pda now :^/ |
| 07:38:43 | kendrick2 | looks at his Agenda VR3 ;) |
| 07:38:50 | kendrick2 | <crossing fingers> |
| 07:39:19 | whardier | my file utils are too smart for your symbolic symlinks |
| 07:39:23 | whardier | notes this for OZ |
| 07:39:37 | whardier | no matter how hard i tried |
| 07:39:40 | whardier | I could cd recursively |
| 07:39:46 | whardier | but recursive programs like ls and find |
| 07:39:50 | whardier | would not be fooled |
| 07:39:58 | whardier | and rm worked |
| 07:40:40 | kendrick2 | you not using busybox? |
| 07:40:43 | kendrick2 | or a newer ver? or? |
| 07:40:58 | whardier | no |
| 07:41:01 | whardier | I am using debian |
| 07:41:02 | whardier | hehe |
| 07:41:08 | whardier | watches kendrick2 freak |
| 07:41:11 | whardier | on an intel machine |
| 07:41:11 | whardier | heh |
| 07:41:14 | whardier | x86 |
| 07:41:28 | kendrick2 | oh :) heheh |
| 07:41:31 | kendrick2 | too :^P |
| 07:41:42 | kendrick2 | moves /mnt/card/[useful shit] to /mnt/cf/ |
| 07:41:50 | kendrick2 | then prepares to do something drastic to the empty SD card |
| 07:41:57 | kendrick2 | <flush!> |
| 07:42:30 | whardier | blah |
| 07:42:51 | kendrick2 | hemmm... |
| 07:42:58 | kendrick2 | i think i'll ext2fs it maybe |
| 07:43:01 | NeoTron | hmm. |
| 07:43:11 | NeoTron | what is the default rotation in Qtopia? 270 (3) ? |
| 07:43:31 | kendrick2 | seemed like it when i ran qpe from console just now :) |
| 07:43:40 | kendrick2 | ("Transform:Rot270:0" did the trick) |
| 07:46:55 | kendrick2 | ok - shall i try this new rom, then? |
| 07:55:33 | kendrick2 | runs mkfs.ext2 on sd card |
| 07:55:34 | kendrick2 | <gulp!> |
| 07:58:51 | kendrick2 | installs SD ROM image! |
| 08:01:26 | kendrick2 | whee! /me watches as it incompresses onto the SD card! :) |
| 08:03:21 | kendrick2 | a % meter'd be nice :) |
| 08:09:53 | kendrick2 | ok! right on! :) |
| 08:09:55 | kendrick2 | SD ROM installed |
| 08:10:02 | kendrick2 | 55MB available :) :) |
| 08:11:27 | NeoTron | :) |
| 08:13:07 | kendrick2 | aww :( the tech. radio show here in davis didnt mention my lug today |
| 08:13:20 | kendrick2 | oh well... he will before the next meeting... :) |
| 08:13:41 | kendrick2 | it's a topic he's interested in (the show is "Dr. Andy's Poetry & Technology Hour" :)... and the LUGOD meeting after this next one is on AI ;) ) |
| 08:14:16 | NeoTron | kendrick2: would you be able to test SA for me? |
| 08:14:22 | NeoTron | a new version that is |
| 08:14:40 | NeoTron | that tries to use QDirectPainter |
| 08:14:51 | kendrick2 | ok sure |
| 08:15:13 | kendrick2 | one issue i noticed with the ver i download today was that if the qpe taskbar appeared at the bottom, it covered up that part of SA |
| 08:15:18 | kendrick2 | so, for example, i couldn't get to Menu->Quit :^/ |
| 08:15:28 | NeoTron | yes |
| 08:15:39 | NeoTron | I believe I fixed that in this version too |
| 08:16:26 | kendrick2 | hang on |
| 08:16:32 | kendrick2 | restoring my zaurus's data |
| 08:16:52 | kendrick2 | i hope it doesn't inherit the slow slow suspend bug :( |
| 08:17:00 | NeoTron | afk for a sec |
| 08:17:10 | fusion94 | evening |
| 08:17:14 | kendrick2 | heya |
| 08:17:27 | kendrick2 | hmm... restore seems stuck at 0% :^( |
| 08:18:11 | kendrick2 | ah... 2% :) |
| 08:18:13 | kendrick2 | :^/ slow |
| 08:18:36 | kendrick2 | thank god for external power |
| 08:18:47 | kendrick2 | i used to go through AAAs doing rom updates on my agenda :) |
| 08:23:42 | kendrick2 | neo - you gonna make a qt version of gemdropx for me? ;) |
| 08:23:44 | kendrick2 | giggles |
| 08:26:55 | NeoTron | kendrick2: perhaps. :P |
| 08:29:05 | NeoTron | how do you do backups etc? |
| 08:29:15 | kendrick2 | settings -> Backup&restore |
| 08:29:55 | NeoTron | ah |
| 08:30:06 | kendrick2 | reinstalls all his ipks |
| 08:30:11 | NeoTron | fixed a nice buffer overrun bug there |
| 08:31:40 | NeoTron | kendrick2: any ETA on that? I wonder if I should reboot and install my other sound card or if you'll be done in a minute or what not |
| 08:32:07 | kendrick2 | need to free space on CF :) |
| 08:32:10 | kendrick2 | go do your reboot ;) |
| 08:32:16 | NeoTron | ok. bbiab |
| 08:37:56 | kendrick2 | damn... got that stupid slow suspend thing again |
| 08:38:02 | kendrick2 | [reset]s to see if that helps |
| 08:41:27 | kendrick2 | re |
| 08:41:32 | kendrick2 | reset |
| 08:41:40 | kendrick2 | the damned thing was taking 10sec to suspend again |
| 08:41:59 | kendrick2 | an issue i had all while i used 1.11, right after i did my first 'restore' from a backup from a sharp secret rom |
| 08:44:43 | kendrick2 | much better! :) |
| 08:46:24 | kendrick2 | uh oh! i see an SD card icon! |
| 08:46:25 | kendrick2 | what the hell!? |
| 08:58:46 | kendrick2 | eep - bbi1/2hr |
| 09:17:45 | NeoTron | wtf. suddenly Eligo animation is choppy as hell (TM) |
| 09:23:40 | kendrick2 | ok, set me up :) |
| 09:24:17 | kendrick2 | sticks in earphones & tries out nethack |
| 09:26:56 | kendrick2 | where's eligo? |
| 09:27:19 | NeoTron | you can get it from http://eongames.com/ |
| 09:27:33 | kendrick2 | that's right :) thx |
| 09:27:38 | NeoTron | hmm. I'm going to reboot. something is fluky |
| 09:28:48 | kendrick2 | er.. uh.. i dont see sa in games |
| 09:28:50 | kendrick2 | sighs |
| 09:33:37 | kendrick2 | re |
| 09:33:42 | kendrick2 | i dont see sa in games |
| 09:33:44 | kendrick2 | and nethack doesn't load |
| 09:33:46 | NeoTron | there, works again |
| 09:33:58 | kendrick2 | thinks symblink crud from before the upgrade is screwing it up |
| 09:34:11 | NeoTron | kendrick2: how did you install sa? |
| 09:34:11 | kendrick2 | i should just installed the sd rom and not trying to do all this manual de-ipk-ing myself :^/ |
| 09:34:17 | kendrick2 | add/remove progs app |
| 09:34:26 | NeoTron | and then copied the other binary over? |
| 09:34:34 | kendrick2 | yeah |
| 09:34:39 | kendrick2 | well, there's just no icon for it under games |
| 09:34:40 | kendrick2 | hang on |
| 09:34:43 | kendrick2 | i need to audit :) |
| 09:34:49 | NeoTron | there should be. :P |
| 09:34:58 | NeoTron | unless I forgot about that file |
| 09:35:25 | NeoTron | nope, those should be included |
| 09:35:42 | kendrick2 | it was before :) |
| 09:35:57 | kendrick2 | just since i upgraded rom and then did a 'restore', it's kinda borked |
| 09:37:00 | NeoTron | whee. sounds! |
| 09:37:37 | xxL | NeoTron: sa is not working at all here |
| 09:38:45 | kendrick2 | installs eligo |
| 09:40:01 | NeoTron | xxL: what happens/doesn't happen? |
| 09:40:34 | xxL | NeoTron: bus error |
| 09:42:29 | xxL | based on my prev. experience most frequent cause for bus error is access to unallocated memory |
| 09:43:21 | kendrick2 | wow - eligo rules |
| 09:43:35 | kendrick2 | needs sfx :) |
| 09:43:54 | kendrick2 | reinstalls sa pkg |
| 09:44:03 | kendrick2 | (i wish it had a better name than "sa" >:^( ) |
| 09:44:32 | kendrick2 | i also don't quite understand so many packages being named "qpe-this" and "qpe-that" |
| 09:44:41 | kendrick2 | i mean, i guess i do (gui app vs. something else), but there's no consistency |
| 09:45:11 | kendrick2 | ipk should include info on whether the tool is text, gui, no interaction, and maybe java vs. qt/qpe, vs. x11 vs. whatever else might come along |
| 09:46:02 | kendrick2 | thinks zlines can go, in favor of eligo :) |
| 09:46:50 | kendrick2 | ooh ooh.. and ipk could not whether app uses real sound ;) |
| 09:47:07 | NeoTron | xxL: strange. Worked for others... |
| 09:47:20 | NeoTron | kendrick2: I haven't been able to use sounds in dev befpore. Now I can |
| 09:47:58 | xxL | NeoTron: any ideas ? |
| 09:48:13 | kendrick2 | hmmm... new sa bin seems to freeze? |
| 09:48:24 | kendrick2 | didnt seem to do anything when i clicked the icon |
| 09:48:34 | kendrick2 | and when i run from command line, it just sits there |
| 09:48:46 | kendrick2 | ooh, no! completely froze zaurus, actually :) |
| 09:48:48 | kendrick2 | sighs :( |
| 09:49:11 | kendrick2 | reboots |
| 09:50:09 | scribeMob | hey guys, new qpsword 0.3.0 out. Lot's cleaner and now with compressed lexicons and dictionaries. here's a screenshot of the compressed Webster's Unabridged dictionary at full screen. http://www.crosswire.org/images/qpsword_dict.jpg |
| 09:50:27 | kendrick2 | what is it? |
| 09:50:40 | scribeMob | other screen shots: http://www.crosswire.org/images/qpsword_full.jpg http://www.crosswire.org/images/qpsword_search.jpg |
| 09:51:08 | kendrick2 | dict stored on z, or does it connect to a dict server over network? |
| 09:51:12 | kendrick2 | (i'd really like the former :) ) |
| 09:51:20 | scribeMob | yes, stored locally |
| 09:51:36 | scribeMob | it's large, so needs to be on a memory stick or cf |
| 09:51:37 | kendrick2 | general dict, or bible dict? |
| 09:51:43 | scribeMob | both available |
| 09:51:47 | kendrick2 | nifty nifty. |
| 09:51:51 | kendrick2 | crosswire.org? |
| 09:52:04 | scribeMob | yeah, feed is at: http://www.crosswire.org/feeds/arm |
| 09:52:21 | scribeMob | but you might find the ipk not work well with Z yet. |
| 09:52:28 | scribeMob | manual install might be best. |
| 09:52:36 | kendrick2 | eek :) |
| 09:52:41 | kendrick2 | no more manual install tonight ;) |
| 09:53:05 | scribeMob | ipk was made for iPaq |
| 09:53:12 | kendrick2 | http://www.crosswire.org/sword/modules/ModDisp.jsp?modType=Dictionaries |
| 09:53:22 | scribeMob | yeah, any of these will work |
| 09:53:23 | kendrick2 | this is where to get general dicts? (eg, Webster 1913?) |
| 09:53:28 | kendrick2 | hmm |
| 09:53:38 | scribeMob | the compressed version is on the feed though |
| 09:53:41 | kendrick2 | be sure to post to mailing list to let people know what's up :) |
| 09:53:50 | scribeMob | 41 megs vs 16.5 megs |
| 09:53:54 | kendrick2 | :) |
| 09:54:19 | kendrick2 | so i'd only need "qpe-swordreader" and "sword-dict..webster..."? :) |
| 09:54:33 | scribeMob | yep |
| 09:54:36 | kendrick2 | fears |
| 09:54:38 | kendrick2 | ipk is 13mb |
| 09:54:45 | scribeMob | qpe-swordreader will probably install ok |
| 09:54:51 | kendrick2 | is the dict file compressed prior to ipking? |
| 09:55:05 | scribeMob | yes, it will install to 16.5 megs |
| 09:55:12 | kendrick2 | has upwards of 40-50MB of free space on'internal' |
| 09:55:15 | kendrick2 | excellent :) |
| 09:55:26 | scribeMob | wow, cool! |
| 09:55:32 | kendrick2 | using the tweaked rom :) |
| 09:55:35 | scribeMob | only has 16mb total on internal |
| 09:55:41 | kendrick2 | you're using 1.10? |
| 09:55:50 | scribeMob | only has an ipaq. No Z |
| 09:55:51 | kendrick2 | my 'internal' is my 64MB SD card :) |
| 09:55:54 | scribeMob | :( |
| 09:55:58 | kendrick2 | all of my 32MB of RAM is actually RAM :) |
| 09:56:09 | scribeMob | that's awesome |
| 09:56:13 | kendrick2 | so neo - new sa just plain died |
| 09:56:19 | kendrick2 | froze the Z - no errors shown |
| 09:56:23 | scribeMob | I hope this apps get's me a Z finally. |
| 09:56:29 | ToyKeeper | wants a commercial-release Z |
| 09:56:34 | scribeMob | in the trolltech contest |
| 09:56:39 | ToyKeeper | Er, 5500 I mean. |
| 09:57:12 | kendrick2 | neo - only complaint so far is that the graphics are all way too dark |
| 09:57:13 | ToyKeeper | Only have an ipaq right now. The Z has much nicer hardware, but I don't like qtopia nearly as much as familiar... |
| 09:57:27 | kendrick2 | can't really see what most of the icons are, and the text buttons are hard to read |
| 09:57:31 | kendrick2 | i'd up the contrast |
| 09:57:55 | scribeMob | kendrick2: the dictionary module will try to install to /root/.sword/... you should move .sword directory to wherever $HOME is on the Z |
| 09:58:21 | scribeMob | that should be the only modification you have to make |
| 10:02:03 | scribeMob | ok, it's late now. |
| 10:02:10 | scribeMob | gotta get some rest. long day. |
| 10:02:39 | NeoTron | kendrick2: Guess I'll disable the QDirectPainter code for now. :P |
| 10:02:54 | kendrick2 | i can click and drag, kinda, to get to 'menu' and 'quit' |
| 10:03:01 | kendrick2 | thx scribe |
| 10:03:03 | kendrick2 | take it easy |
| 10:03:22 | scribeMob | np, hasta |
| 10:04:05 | kendrick2 | eek - my sd card popped up on the taskbar! :^( |
| 10:05:40 | NeoTron | Ok, new SA binary at http://david.hedbor.org/tmp/sa |
| 10:05:53 | NeoTron | w/o direct painter and maybe with sound |
| 10:06:23 | kendrick2 | grabbing |
| 10:06:50 | kendrick2 | copying to cf... |
| 10:08:45 | kendrick2 | eeek |
| 10:08:49 | kendrick2 | z acting laggy :( |
| 10:08:54 | NeoTron | hmm |
| 10:08:58 | NeoTron | with SA or in general? |
| 10:08:58 | kendrick2 | there we go |
| 10:09:03 | kendrick2 | no, when i stuck the cf card in |
| 10:09:13 | kendrick2 | maybe i'll yank all these backup dirs off of it to make things faster |
| 10:09:15 | kendrick2 | (stupid documents tab) |
| 10:10:01 | NeoTron | btw, I had a leftover QDirectPainter p(this) in that code. shouldn't matter but then again, it might |
| 10:10:20 | kendrick2 | "stash" needs online help |
| 10:10:24 | kendrick2 | i have no idea how to use it :) |
| 10:10:47 | NeoTron | I'd be very curious how the sound works in the version you just got |
| 10:10:49 | kendrick2 | hmm.. still taking a long time to mount :( |
| 10:10:58 | kendrick2 | well.. whenever my z decides to respond :) |
| 10:11:00 | NeoTron | because sounds still work pretty badly in the dev environment |
| 10:12:44 | kendrick2 | seems to die again :( |
| 10:12:52 | NeoTron | strange |
| 10:12:53 | kendrick2 | screen flickers but then nothing |
| 10:13:06 | NeoTron | oh well, I will look at that later |
| 10:13:09 | NeoTron | I have no idea why |
| 10:13:13 | kendrick2 | sorry :^/ |
| 10:13:55 | NeoTron | 2 am. time to sleep. :P |
| 10:14:25 | NeoTron | well, the good thing is - might not be the direct painter code that's the issue. :-PP |
| 10:14:31 | kendrick2 | yeah - me too :^( |
| 10:14:34 | kendrick2 | heheh |
| 10:14:47 | kendrick2 | well thx :) |
| 10:14:50 | kendrick2 | good luck! |
| 10:14:58 | NeoTron | anyhow. tata |
| 10:15:01 | NeoTron | is away: sleep |
| 10:16:12 | kendrick2 | runs off |
| 14:14:31 | whardier | tippy tai |
| 14:22:58 | ljp | clippy clai |
| 14:26:27 | whardier | routing is fun! |
| 14:30:07 | ljp | unless a router is hidden somewhere and is not working |
| 14:31:38 | whardier | hehe |
| 14:31:39 | whardier | true |
| 14:32:29 | whardier | but basically it is fun because we have this guy at HP's machine tunneling thru his web proxy with ssh and then on top of that running ppp |
| 14:32:34 | whardier | and now that the routes are set up |
| 14:32:41 | whardier | his machine routes to his local subnet |
| 14:32:45 | whardier | his web proxy |
| 14:32:57 | whardier | and then the default gateway is the otherside of his ppp connection now |
| 14:33:09 | whardier | so he has full access to the internets resources now |
| 14:33:16 | whardier | from one of his machines |
| 14:33:17 | whardier | heh |
| 14:33:35 | whardier | two changes of the routing tables on anybodies machine at HP now |
| 14:33:41 | whardier | and they too have full access |
| 14:33:48 | whardier | thru a web proxy |
| 14:33:49 | whardier | hehe |
| 14:34:10 | whardier | and the dirty part is.. that unless they are measuring raw packets.. they will not know that this is happening |
| 14:34:24 | whardier | because most web proxy's only store access hits when the file is completed |
| 14:34:53 | whardier | isn't it bootifull |
| 14:34:59 | whardier | I just had to share that |
| 14:35:03 | ljp | is a musician not a sys admin! :) |
| 14:35:11 | whardier | I cannot relate :) |
| 14:35:31 | whardier | but cmon leaving gaping wet holes in peoples gigantic really secure firewalls |
| 14:35:40 | whardier | its just fun |
| 14:35:48 | ljp | I only know a little bit about netowrking.. enough to get my own little network w/firewall here |
| 14:36:12 | whardier | hey you learn a lot everyday if you have the need |
| 14:36:12 | whardier | heh |
| 14:36:21 | ljp | true, so true |
| 14:36:46 | whardier | what the hell am I doing awake? |
| 14:37:06 | ljp | I dont knwo.. but I get to go into work here soon :( |
| 14:37:12 | whardier | do you have any idea how unnerving it is to remove the default route on a remote machine |
| 14:37:28 | ljp | I can imagine |
| 14:37:37 | whardier | hehe |
| 14:38:29 | ljp | my windows 2k box likes to lose its default route on its own somehow, sometimes |
| 14:38:44 | whardier | doh |
| 14:38:54 | ljp | starts loking at my other boxes for the gateway |
| 14:39:07 | whardier | dhcp? |
| 14:39:08 | Nocnoc | is it manually set |
| 14:39:12 | ljp | manually |
| 14:39:24 | whardier | thats goofy |
| 14:39:27 | Nocnoc | check your arp tables |
| 14:39:28 | ljp | yep |
| 14:39:40 | Nocnoc | maybe there is a mac conflict |
| 14:39:41 | ljp | it doesn';t happen all that much |
| 14:39:55 | Nocnoc | arp -a |
| 14:40:03 | ljp | every once in a while, though... |
| 14:40:21 | Nocnoc | do you use WINS |
| 14:40:21 | ljp | I just restart the interface |
| 14:40:25 | ljp | no |
| 14:40:29 | Nocnoc | oh ok |
| 14:40:41 | Nocnoc | lmhost or host files |
| 14:40:44 | whardier | sounds like a case of the microsofts |
| 14:40:53 | ljp | :D |
| 14:41:02 | whardier | you should have that looked at |
| 14:41:10 | ljp | thing is their networking stuff is based off of bsd I believe |
| 14:41:56 | ljp | I need win2k becuase I have a couple pro soundcards that will never have linux drivers.. light pipe 8in/8out kinda stuff |
| 14:42:04 | ljp | and Cubase rocks |
| 14:42:10 | whardier | no its not |
| 14:42:11 | whardier | hehe |
| 14:42:41 | whardier | win2k is poopoo |
| 14:42:48 | ljp | well.. some of their commandline netowrk stuff has bsd copyrights in them |
| 14:43:22 | whardier | haha |
| 14:43:24 | whardier | no way |
| 14:43:27 | whardier | thats sick |
| 14:43:53 | ljp | strings is your friend |
| 14:44:25 | ljp | I've heard the network stack is bsd based also |
| 14:44:43 | ljp | but they must have borked it somehow |
| 14:45:29 | Kopsis | ljp: the old NT stack was based on third-party code based on BSD but MS has managed to rewrite it since then |
| 14:47:28 | ljp | oh |
| 14:49:13 | ljp | still their network commands have bsd copyrights in them |
| 14:49:53 | Kopsis | Yeah, most of the utils are still BSD, but the stack itself has been "fixed" by Microsoft :) |
| 14:50:04 | ljp | heh- you mean broken |
| 14:50:51 | ljp | broken cause I dont understand how a computer can just all the sudden, loose the gateway |
| 14:51:09 | ljp | and start looking at other boxes |
| 14:51:26 | ljp | anyway.. bbl |
| 14:55:40 | weimer | is away: I'm busy |
| 15:02:32 | CorranHorn | Um, I read some info about the office-thingy that's going into the 5500 but can't remember where. Anyone here who knows where the info is at? |
| 15:04:03 | Kopsis | CorranHorn: http://www.hancom.com/en/products/hancommobileoffice.html |
| 15:04:57 | CorranHorn | Kopsis, thanks a lot. That was what I was looking for exactly. |
| 15:05:10 | Kopsis | np |
| 15:19:27 | whardier | drake mallard |
| 15:19:47 | mandrake | morning |
| 15:19:49 | mandrake | except I'm not named after a duck, I'm named after a plant =) |
| 15:20:08 | Nocnoc | Lol |
| 15:20:19 | whardier | quack |
| 15:23:32 | roge99 | hello all |
| 15:23:43 | whardier | quack |
| 15:25:21 | ljp_work | meow |
| 15:25:30 | whardier | oh oh oh .. ahh ahh |
| 15:25:42 | whardier | what sound does a tarsier make? |
| 15:26:36 | ljp_work | I don't know.. grrr ? |
| 15:27:33 | whardier | hehe |
| 15:28:32 | weimer | is back (gone 00:32:52) |
| 15:28:42 | whardier | http://segfault.bogomip.com/max2.jpg |
| 15:28:43 | whardier | damn cat |
| 15:28:57 | whardier | that ledge he is on is 5 feet up |
| 15:29:04 | whardier | unless.. he jumps from my monitor up there |
| 15:31:06 | whardier | hey mandrake can I ask you an Eterm question? |
| 15:31:55 | mandrake | the appropriate person to ask is KainX |
| 15:32:10 | whardier | ok.. I thought I would find out first :) |
| 15:32:17 | mandrake | I didn't do much on Eterm |
| 15:32:32 | mandrake | but if it's simple I can probably tell you |
| 15:32:35 | whardier | well |
| 15:32:36 | whardier | its theory |
| 15:33:11 | whardier | I have always had issues with slowness and huge memory consumption because I do not optimize my damn viewport graphics at all |
| 15:33:30 | whardier | but I was wondering if Eterm used any sort of shared memory for similar graphics |
| 15:33:38 | mandrake | yes. |
| 15:33:44 | whardier | for like background images and so forth.. so that it starts up a hellova lot quicker |
| 15:33:48 | mandrake | imlib does that automagically |
| 15:33:58 | whardier | so imlib checks a timestamp |
| 15:34:08 | mandrake | no |
| 15:34:10 | whardier | then if its the same use the one in shared memory? |
| 15:34:13 | whardier | hmm |
| 15:34:24 | mandrake | if it's already in use it uses the one in memory |
| 15:34:35 | whardier | what is the distinction that it is already in use? |
| 15:34:59 | whardier | because I can of course say.. invert the viewport graphic on disk |
| 15:35:04 | whardier | and it will of course change on new Eterms |
| 15:36:26 | mandrake | Eterm isn't sharing it between copies automatically actually |
| 15:36:37 | mandrake | imlib2 is just fast at rendering. |
| 15:36:43 | whardier | that would be major convenient.. but sounds like a pain |
| 15:36:51 | whardier | yeah.. I use feh |
| 15:36:54 | mandrake | I thought you meant within the same copy |
| 15:36:58 | whardier | naw |
| 15:37:02 | whardier | within different terms as well |
| 15:37:10 | mandrake | hold on 1 second |
| 15:37:16 | mandrake | actually I had a great idea for a terminal server |
| 15:37:19 | mandrake | but I'll go into that later |
| 15:37:21 | whardier | haha |
| 15:37:28 | mandrake | it's a really good idea |
| 15:37:32 | mandrake | but I gotta do this real quick first |
| 15:37:35 | whardier | ok |
| 15:37:36 | whardier | :) |
| 15:37:43 | whardier | watches mandrake get all excited |
| 15:39:01 | mandrake | this is the sort of stuff I do research on |
| 15:39:24 | whardier | mandrake I would really like to know :) |
| 15:39:44 | whardier | I use X.. hehe.. it is a terminal server |
| 15:39:49 | whardier | I use it all the time remotely |
| 15:39:49 | whardier | heh |
| 15:40:28 | mandrake | no that's not what I mean. |
| 15:40:35 | whardier | I know I am just joking around |
| 15:40:45 | mandrake | I'm talking about converting all your terminal programs into a single program |
| 15:40:51 | whardier | that would be nice |
| 15:40:57 | whardier | then running from a server rather |
| 15:40:58 | whardier | hahaha |
| 15:41:01 | mandrake | that via IPC could execute commands for you |
| 15:41:15 | whardier | that sounds actually uber effecient |
| 15:41:18 | mandrake | so that something like your window manager or such would send commands to be run from |
| 15:41:24 | mandrake | it could trap things to stderr |
| 15:41:30 | mandrake | and put them in a scrollable log |
| 15:41:40 | whardier | duuude |
| 15:41:41 | mandrake | it could open new windows automagically when things send output to stdout |
| 15:41:52 | whardier | so on top of say X |
| 15:42:06 | whardier | you could run the server? |
| 15:42:10 | whardier | or run the server at boot time |
| 15:42:20 | whardier | and start some sort of proxy command when you load X |
| 15:42:24 | mandrake | your terminal server would be basically just an app that ran beside your window manager |
| 15:42:27 | mandrake | or was part of it. |
| 15:42:38 | whardier | I like the idea |
| 15:42:47 | whardier | then you could do all the things I just asked |
| 15:42:54 | whardier | pretty easily |
| 15:42:55 | whardier | heh |
| 15:42:57 | mandrake | of course, I also had some other great ideas about shells, etc. |
| 15:43:07 | whardier | I just like ssh tab completion |
| 15:43:09 | whardier | :) |
| 15:43:15 | whardier | that is my step into 2002 |
| 15:43:15 | whardier | he |
| 15:43:16 | mandrake | I built the foundation for a network shell |
| 15:43:38 | whardier | so a network transparent shell |
| 15:43:47 | mandrake | transparent applications (X, console, etc) |
| 15:43:54 | mandrake | you could have the same desk up on 3 machines |
| 15:44:06 | whardier | ever heard of xmove? |
| 15:44:12 | mandrake | no no |
| 15:44:18 | whardier | no I was just asking :) |
| 15:44:21 | whardier | not relating |
| 15:44:28 | mandrake | I'm talking about building an x proxy basically |
| 15:44:37 | whardier | a replicationg x proxy |
| 15:44:43 | whardier | eww |
| 15:44:55 | mandrake | as long as you're in the same bitdepth on all your machines you'd be fine. |
| 15:45:00 | whardier | I really want a replicating X proxy |
| 15:45:06 | whardier | what I would want more than anything in life however |
| 15:45:09 | mandrake | I have a simple one I put together |
| 15:45:11 | whardier | is a network transparent xinerama |
| 15:45:16 | mandrake | x2x |
| 15:45:29 | mandrake | but you really don't know what you're asking for. |
| 15:45:35 | whardier | you cannot drag apps from screen to screen with x2x :) |
| 15:45:40 | mandrake | xinerama itself is nasty enough as it is. |
| 15:45:43 | whardier | I did it with VNC! |
| 15:45:48 | mandrake | it's implemented all wrong. |
| 15:45:48 | whardier | it was slow :) |
| 15:45:51 | whardier | but it worked. |
| 15:46:04 | whardier | just using the viewport mode in vncviewer |
| 15:46:04 | whardier | heh |
| 15:46:13 | mandrake | you can thank laura whats-her-name from DEC for that. |
| 15:46:36 | whardier | I have some code that I have been trying to get running for like 4 months |
| 15:46:38 | mandrake | we did implement xinerama in xfree86 a couple years ago though. and fixed most of dec's bugs. |
| 15:46:48 | whardier | it is a replicating X proxy used at a boston area public access channel |
| 15:47:07 | whardier | apparently its not kludgy.. I just cannot get it to compile :) |
| 15:49:12 | whardier | what I want more than AAAANYTHING else in the world :) is to be able to run an application in -root.. wherever on root.. with some sort of buffer the size of the window so it never has to refresh |
| 15:54:50 | mandrake | okay, so you realize that to get the x server to refresh for you all you have to do is write into the backing pixmap of the window. |
| 15:55:54 | whardier | I mean arbitrary programs |
| 15:55:56 | whardier | gkrellm |
| 15:56:06 | whardier | an eterm running a custom log tail |
| 16:04:24 | Nocnoc | anyone using the swap utility? |
| 16:11:23 | whardier | rawr |
| 16:16:44 | sieve | rawr? |
| 16:28:02 | mandrake | at least on monday they'll have notified us who the 3rd place winners are for the contest. |
| 16:30:43 | whardier | where is a MAC address lookup table |
| 16:30:50 | whardier | for what company makes what and so forth? |
| 16:30:58 | fusion94- | morning |
| 16:32:36 | mandrake | mr0ning fusion94- |
| 16:32:56 | fusion94 | damn nick |
| 16:50:02 | kergoth | morning all |
| 16:53:05 | whardier | hi |
| 16:53:06 | whardier | :) |
| 16:53:21 | kergoth | hey whardier |
| 16:53:22 | kergoth | how goes it |
| 16:53:28 | whardier | haha |
| 16:53:30 | whardier | funny as all hell |
| 16:53:39 | whardier | I think I just got hired at HP if I want it |
| 16:53:44 | kergoth | er |
| 16:53:45 | kergoth | hah |
| 16:53:47 | kergoth | how? |
| 16:53:57 | whardier | they had an unauthorized DHCP server on the network |
| 16:54:01 | whardier | and I told them where it was |
| 16:54:03 | whardier | sorta |
| 16:54:04 | whardier | thru a friend |
| 16:54:15 | roge99 | sup kergoth |
| 16:54:28 | whardier | nobody down there has a clue about networking |
| 16:54:29 | whardier | hahaha |
| 16:54:30 | kergoth | whardier: lol.. its amazing how little these people know about their own networks |
| 16:54:35 | kergoth | hehe |
| 16:54:36 | kergoth | sup roge99 |
| 16:54:44 | whardier | I just told them.. go to the switch |
| 16:54:54 | whardier | and look for the solid blue light that blinks for 2 sec intervals |
| 16:55:07 | whardier | I guess they found it :) |
| 16:55:20 | kergoth | hah.. nice |
| 16:55:26 | whardier | err solid light |
| 16:55:26 | whardier | heh |
| 16:55:29 | whardier | no blue |
| 16:55:29 | whardier | heh |
| 16:55:36 | whardier | anyjew.. I need to make myself perty |
| 16:56:49 | whardier | I found a few wireless lans yesterday |
| 16:56:52 | whardier | sorta by accedent |
| 16:57:02 | whardier | I found out that you can scan for encrypted networks in some cases |
| 16:57:07 | whardier | even if you have the wrong key |
| 16:57:07 | whardier | hehe |
| 16:57:26 | whardier | for some reason they were invisible w/o a key |
| 16:57:33 | whardier | and with a bunk key they are lighting up the screen |
| 16:57:46 | kergoth | aha |
| 16:57:49 | kergoth | i didnt know that |
| 16:57:57 | whardier | I did not either |
| 16:58:51 | whardier | I need fewd |
| 17:00:24 | kergoth | sup BZFlag |
| 17:01:29 | whardier | I want to have a sexually transparent conversation with a woman |
| 17:01:46 | whardier | where both of you are thinking about sex.. with eachother.. eye too eye... but talking about taxes and shit |
| 17:01:48 | whardier | hahaha |
| 17:02:35 | sieve | heh |
| 17:02:49 | kergoth | hah. i love those |
| 17:06:25 | whardier | lets talk about sex.. baaabyyy.. lets talk about you and mee.. |
| 17:06:29 | whardier | cmon gang |
| 17:06:32 | whardier | sing it with me now! |
| 17:06:40 | Dr_Who | heh |
| 17:06:41 | whardier | just woke up.. |
| 17:06:51 | Dr_Who | whardier: some of us are at work and would get looked at funny like |
| 17:07:02 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:07:03 | kergoth | indeed |
| 17:07:35 | whardier | haha |
| 17:11:25 | kergoth | sup tgall_pda |
| 17:18:56 | whardier | I wonder when hp will notice that gigs of onlogged data are going thru the web proxy |
| 17:26:42 | sieve | heh |
| 17:27:25 | sieve | packets just slipping through the cracks.... |
| 17:29:21 | NeoTron | wonders who reported bugs. :)) |
| 17:51:47 | kergoth | NeoTron: add 'strategic assault' to ibot with the url |
| 18:09:37 | whardier | doh |
| 18:09:40 | whardier | everyody flew away |
| 18:10:21 | tgall_pda | hey ya kergoth.... nothing up ... just the ceiling |
| 18:11:22 | whardier | -:- SignOff kergoth: #zaurus (Remote closed the connection) |
| 18:23:12 | Neo|Work | is away: I'm busy |
| 18:23:24 | Neo|Work | is back (gone 00:00:00) |
| 18:23:40 | | OK, Neo|Work. |
| 18:23:40 | Neo|Work | ibot: strategic assault is http://eongames.com/games/sa/ |
| 18:23:47 | | OK, Neo|Work. |
| 18:23:47 | Neo|Work | ibot: SA is http://eongames.com/games/sa/ |
| 18:28:50 | Neo|Work | wonders why in the heck Eligo keeps launching itself |
| 18:33:11 | whardier | it wants you |
| 18:34:13 | kergoth | whardier: added cvs export support to the source method |
| 18:34:21 | whardier | neato |
| 18:34:29 | kergoth | whardier: so now the buildsystem can pull down ipkg from handhelds.org cvs :-) |
| 18:34:30 | whardier | scanline wanted that |
| 18:34:40 | kergoth | k |
| 18:35:05 | kergoth | im looking forward to fixing the debian source build scripts |
| 18:35:16 | kergoth | itd be nifty to just point the system at a debian package feed and say 'go' |
| 18:35:18 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:35:23 | whardier | I have so much dust to munch before I can catchup |
| 18:35:32 | whardier | maybe I should just work on porting over shit :) |
| 18:35:35 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:35:42 | whardier | and you can handle the whole buildsystem thing |
| 18:35:43 | whardier | hehe |
| 18:35:55 | kergoth | porting shit involves the buildsystem tho |
| 18:35:57 | kergoth | :-) |
| 18:35:59 | whardier | but |
| 18:36:02 | whardier | I can just give you a .mk |
| 18:36:29 | whardier | I mean neat stuff.. like H.323 shit and all sorts of command line things that people need |
| 18:36:30 | whardier | heh |
| 18:36:36 | kergoth | yea |
| 18:36:43 | kergoth | theres a shitload of apps we need to add to the system |
| 18:36:49 | whardier | haha |
| 18:36:57 | whardier | I wanna ssh-ppp (vpn) from my Z |
| 18:36:59 | kergoth | hah |
| 18:37:03 | kergoth | thats a good idea actually |
| 18:37:08 | whardier | there.. freeswan fuckers |
| 18:37:08 | whardier | eat that |
| 18:37:11 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:37:16 | kergoth | lets port freeswan too tho |
| 18:37:19 | whardier | argh |
| 18:37:21 | kergoth | hah |
| 18:37:23 | kergoth | speaking of which |
| 18:37:26 | whardier | how would you like to test it |
| 18:37:26 | kergoth | we need openssh in the system |
| 18:37:31 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:37:33 | whardier | and oh |
| 18:37:34 | whardier | networking |
| 18:37:44 | kergoth | ? |
| 18:37:45 | whardier | can you ping your Z |
| 18:37:48 | whardier | in OZ3? |
| 18:37:53 | kergoth | havent tried.. |
| 18:38:04 | kergoth | my z has been collecting dust for the past week |
| 18:38:15 | kergoth | heh.. doing work on geezer.. buildsystem, opie, etc.. |
| 18:38:52 | Neo|Work | the app is closed, icon is in the task bar and then after doing whatever it starts up (according to several users) |
| 18:39:40 | whardier | Neo|Work demonic? |
| 18:39:48 | whardier | your game wants played |
| 18:39:51 | whardier | that means it is a demon portal |
| 18:39:59 | whardier | hows your head feeling nowadays |
| 18:40:03 | whardier | are you growing horns at all? |
| 18:40:18 | Neo|Work | hehe |
| 18:40:28 | Neo|Work | No horns yet, but then again, I've heard that isn't necessary |
| 18:40:59 | Neo|Work | idea - qould it be related to the inter-process messaging? It sounds like apps can be launched by the system with QCop messages or what not |
| 18:51:11 | ShawnM | does the Z have ssl on it? |
| 18:51:24 | kergoth | ShawnM: if you install it |
| 18:51:30 | kergoth | ShawnM: not by default |
| 18:51:36 | ShawnM | is it ported? |
| 18:51:42 | kergoth | certainly |
| 18:51:48 | ShawnM | where's it at? |
| 18:51:50 | kergoth | its available for use with konqueror/embedded, so you can go to https pages |
| 18:51:55 | | hmmm... konqueror is at http://bolug.uni-bonn.de/files/konq-e/ |
| 18:51:55 | kergoth | ibot: konqueror? |
| 18:51:57 | kergoth | its there |
| 18:54:43 | kergoth | woot. whardier: i'm adding opie to the buildsystem :-) |
| 18:54:54 | whardier | hi |
| 18:54:56 | whardier | woot |
| 18:55:04 | whardier | I am ready for a little of that! |
| 18:55:21 | kergoth | actual gui on the Z again would be nice |
| 18:55:27 | whardier | picogui! |
| 18:55:44 | kergoth | hehe. are there any apps for picogui yet? |
| 18:55:48 | whardier | suuure |
| 18:55:57 | kergoth | lol did you see he added an opengl support to picogui? |
| 18:56:04 | kergoth | s/an//g |
| 18:57:08 | ShawnM | ssl is huge |
| 18:57:10 | ShawnM | 600k |
| 18:57:23 | kergoth | yep |
| 18:57:29 | kergoth | i dont remember if its already stripped or not |
| 18:57:44 | ShawnM | we want to put ssl on the jabber client |
| 18:57:53 | ShawnM | we put it on our jabber server |
| 18:57:57 | kergoth | ah that'd be nice |
| 18:58:14 | ShawnM | but tkcJabber won't work with it now |
| 19:02:33 | MEGASTeP | is back (gone 13:29:10) |
| 19:03:06 | whardier | I have one fuzzy little chin |
| 19:16:35 | whardier | woot |
| 19:16:49 | whardier | I get to bill someone $3810.00 this month! |
| 19:17:08 | whardier | I hope they don't shit |
| 19:24:38 | kendrick2 | humm |
| 19:25:51 | kendrick2 | my zaurus wouldn't unsuspend just now |
| 19:25:56 | kendrick2 | i had to flip the on/off switch |
| 19:27:46 | kendrick2 | shit! it did it again!!! |
| 19:27:49 | kendrick2 | >:^( |
| 19:27:59 | tgall_pda | ack! |
| 19:31:17 | sieve | quick question.. I know the Z is shipped with a slave USB. Is it possible to make it a master and if so how difficult would that be? |
| 19:31:27 | kendrick2 | i believe it's not |
| 19:31:32 | sieve | :( |
| 19:31:41 | tgall_pda | dunno ... I am not wise in the ways of USB |
| 19:31:43 | kendrick2 | just based on people's response to the same q on the mailinglists |
| 19:31:53 | tgall_pda | tho if hugh-half pops in later he might be a good fellow to ask |
| 19:31:56 | sieve | poo |
| 19:33:00 | sieve | I was thinking it sure would be nice to use a 1gig usb pen drive.... |
| 19:33:45 | kendrick2 | why not 1GB microdrive? |
| 19:33:48 | whardier | sieve :) |
| 19:33:59 | whardier | sieve: imagine powering a usb hard drive with the Z |
| 19:34:08 | whardier | that is the kind of stupid shit that most people would do |
| 19:34:14 | sieve | yea |
| 19:34:17 | sieve | :( |
| 19:34:23 | whardier | not having an HCI for usb on it solves a lot |
| 19:34:29 | kendrick2 | heh |
| 19:34:42 | whardier | as well as just having one drains the power because it has to send out lots of voltage to any incoming usb device |
| 19:35:28 | whardier | it is my professional opinion.. that even tho it would be cool.. and even tho I am not a professional.. that it would be slightly silly |
| 19:35:54 | sieve | I'm not sure how much power consumption the pen drive uses.. It's just memory.. |
| 19:35:57 | tgall_pda | ummm why not just nfs mount via 802.11? |
| 19:36:50 | kendrick2 | god DAMNIT |
| 19:36:56 | kendrick2 | why can't i unsupsend!? |
| 19:37:14 | sieve | I'm not very impressed with the security of 802.11 yet.... |
| 19:37:45 | tgall_pda | well true... need an nfs via ssh of sorts |
| 19:38:15 | insomnia | sieve and you'll never be, until u implement your *own* encrypted tunnel through the inheretly insecure physical layer |
| 19:38:44 | tgall_pda | exactly ... ssh is your friend |
| 19:39:14 | sieve | nifty stuff it is |
| 19:39:21 | tgall_pda | I know nfsv4 is supposed to increase security a bit ... but not sure if files still fly by in the clear |
| 19:39:39 | tgall_pda | you'd think an encrypted nfs would be an interesting and useful project |
| 19:39:50 | sieve | you would think... |
| 19:40:31 | sieve | Is it a lack of developers or a lask of focus? |
| 19:40:35 | sieve | brb |
| 19:42:04 | kendrick2 | MAN - this sucks! |
| 19:43:10 | kendrick2 | wanders :( |
| 19:45:56 | jperlow-sharp | hey Fastolfe |
| 19:46:04 | jperlow-sharp | where did you move fbvncserver to |
| 19:46:07 | jperlow-sharp | it was on oss.lineo.com |
| 19:46:10 | jperlow-sharp | now it aint? |
| 19:47:32 | fusion94 | is away: lunch |
| 19:47:47 | jperlow-sharp | bz: |
| 19:47:53 | jperlow-sharp | whats with peirre |
| 19:47:58 | jperlow-sharp | he's moving stuff around |
| 19:51:16 | Fastolfe | sup jason ? |
| 19:52:17 | Fastolfe | http://oss.lineo.com/fbvncserver/ |
| 19:58:38 | jperlow-sharp | what does AWT stand for |
| 19:58:45 | jperlow-sharp | application windowing toolkit right |
| 19:58:48 | whardier | Agh What The! |
| 19:59:11 | jperlow-sharp | Absolutely Worthless Tripe? |
| 19:59:16 | whardier | hehehe |
| 19:59:17 | jperlow-sharp | seriosuly |
| 19:59:22 | whardier | I runno |
| 19:59:22 | jperlow-sharp | I need it for a presentation |
| 19:59:29 | whardier | Awesome Widget Thingies? |
| 19:59:30 | Neo|Work | Another Worthless Toolkit |
| 19:59:33 | Com[Plx | www.acronymfinder.com |
| 19:59:50 | Neo|Work | AWT |
| 19:59:50 | Neo|Work | Abstract Windows Toolkit (Java, Sun) |
| 19:59:51 | Neo|Work | |
| 20:00:01 | Neo|Work | Source: V.E.R.A. -- Virtual Entity of Relevant Acronyms 13 March 2001 [vera] |
| 20:01:10 | sieve | kendrick2 I looked at the microdrive. What kinda power consumption does that have? The pen drive has no moving parts to spin up.. It's just a small 1 gig usb module... www.pendrive.com/intro.php now if only the Z USB could be master.. :( |
| 20:02:21 | Com[Plx | acronymfinder hasnt added my latest entries. |
| 20:02:33 | Com[Plx | PET = Personal Electronic Thingy <aka PDA> |
| 20:02:42 | Com[Plx | HEP = Happy Electronic Prosthetic |
| 20:02:45 | Com[Plx | same ything :> |
| 20:05:10 | jperlow-sharp | Ack, What Trash |
| 20:10:06 | jperlow-sharp | if I have to use this windows 98 box anymore I am going to scream |
| 20:10:15 | whardier | so |
| 20:10:15 | whardier | quit it |
| 20:10:18 | jperlow-sharp | cant |
| 20:10:22 | jperlow-sharp | it runs exchange |
| 20:10:26 | whardier | so |
| 20:10:28 | whardier | run mutt |
| 20:10:40 | jperlow-sharp | my linux dev box only does development and web browsing |
| 20:10:54 | jperlow-sharp | sharp corporate email is exchange |
| 20:11:56 | sieve | yuk |
| 20:12:04 | jperlow-sharp | nobody has really developed a decent exchange connector for linux mail clients yet |
| 20:12:09 | jperlow-sharp | I think bynari tried it and failed |
| 20:13:24 | jperlow-sharp | I could run vmware but my dev box doesnt have enough ram to do that well yet |
| 20:13:42 | jperlow-sharp | just ordered a new p4 xeon |
| 20:13:46 | jperlow-sharp | with 1gb of ram |
| 20:13:54 | jperlow-sharp | dell baby. |
| 20:14:36 | ShawnM | bynari wrote their own exchange drop in |
| 20:14:46 | ShawnM | it replaces the server |
| 20:16:57 | jperlow-sharp | well what can I do with the client then |
| 20:17:02 | whardier | stuff |
| 20:17:05 | jperlow-sharp | jack squat right |
| 20:17:17 | whardier | whats an exchancge connector? |
| 20:17:19 | jperlow-sharp | like can your aethera talk to exchange? |
| 20:17:29 | BigBoss | we're working on it right now |
| 20:17:36 | jperlow-sharp | good. send me a beta, NOW. |
| 20:17:42 | kergoth | jperlow-sharp: you NEED exchange? I mean, they dont have IMAP access for email on the exchange server or anything? |
| 20:17:58 | jperlow-sharp | dude I am dealing with an idiot MIS department |
| 20:18:01 | jperlow-sharp | I am supporting myself |
| 20:18:07 | jperlow-sharp | and they locked my win98 box down |
| 20:18:10 | BigBoss | if you are just doing mail, use whatever client you want |
| 20:18:10 | kergoth | yeah i know how you feel there |
| 20:18:25 | BigBoss | it does imap, pop3 and mapi |
| 20:18:28 | jperlow-sharp | yeah but I dont think they support imap |
| 20:18:32 | BigBoss | use pop |
| 20:18:35 | BigBoss | which will suck |
| 20:18:37 | jperlow-sharp | I need the directory services |
| 20:18:41 | kergoth | yeah pop would suck |
| 20:18:48 | kergoth | jperlow-sharp: they dont have ldap support? |
| 20:18:51 | jperlow-sharp | I cant spell half these japanese names for jack squat |
| 20:18:57 | BigBoss | I don't understand what the problem is |
| 20:19:03 | kergoth | i use imap and ldap to access most of what i need on the exchange server here |
| 20:19:17 | jperlow-sharp | hmm. |
| 20:19:22 | jperlow-sharp | I havent tried it via ldap |
| 20:19:24 | jperlow-sharp | lemme see |
| 20:19:41 | jperlow-sharp | boss send me your aethera to play with |
| 20:19:44 | jperlow-sharp | I need a new program. |
| 20:19:49 | jperlow-sharp | I hate evolution |
| 20:19:50 | jperlow-sharp | I use kde |
| 20:19:57 | BigBoss | as a client it will do pop and imap |
| 20:20:01 | kergoth | yeah i need a kde replacement for evolution as well |
| 20:20:02 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:20:07 | BigBoss | go to www.sf.net/projects/aethera and download it |
| 20:20:17 | kergoth | jperlow-sharp: some guy ported the Liquid kde style to Opie! |
| 20:20:18 | jperlow-sharp | didnt know it was oss |
| 20:20:22 | BigBoss | Aethera will be running on Windows as well in another momnth |
| 20:20:24 | jperlow-sharp | kergoth cool |
| 20:20:25 | BigBoss | it's GPL |
| 20:20:29 | kergoth | jperlow-sharp: its pretty. hehe. |
| 20:20:30 | jperlow-sharp | which one is liquid |
| 20:20:34 | jperlow-sharp | like apple? |
| 20:20:41 | BigBoss | kergoth: does it cause as many problems as the one in KDE? |
| 20:20:45 | jperlow-sharp | kergoth gotta shot? |
| 20:20:47 | BigBoss | makes half my applications crash |
| 20:20:56 | kergoth | BigBoss: lol.. havent tested it on my Z yet.. just got the patch last night |
| 20:21:01 | kergoth | jperlow-sharp: yeah, hold on ill forward it |
| 20:21:03 | bipolar | is back (gone 22:12:54) |
| 20:21:24 | whardier | wow |
| 20:21:49 | whardier | this message has been brought to you by "Email should be confusing.. and bloated.. even tho all you need is an MX record.. Microsoft" |
| 20:21:58 | kergoth | hah |
| 20:22:07 | whardier | wtf |
| 20:22:16 | whardier | I am confused on why any of this would matter |
| 20:22:23 | whardier | a company wide email list |
| 20:22:25 | whardier | is that it? |
| 20:22:36 | whardier | damnit.. use mutt! |
| 20:22:57 | jperlow-sharp | hmm whats the easy way of figuring out the ip of the exchange server |
| 20:22:59 | kergoth | whardier: exchange provides directory services and email, among other things.. but most exchange servers have imap, pop3 support for email and ldap for directory services.. |
| 20:23:04 | whardier | and can somebody please fucking explain what microsoft enterprise server is good for? |
| 20:23:05 | kergoth | i hate interfacing with exchange.. ugh |
| 20:23:10 | jperlow-sharp | trace the arp packets? |
| 20:23:28 | whardier | so use ldap |
| 20:23:31 | whardier | and imap |
| 20:23:32 | whardier | haha |
| 20:23:35 | whardier | openldap |
| 20:23:37 | kergoth | yep |
| 20:23:38 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:23:45 | whardier | bah |
| 20:23:47 | kergoth | jperlow-sharp: what email addy you want this sent to? sharpsec? |
| 20:23:54 | kergoth | sup scribe |
| 20:24:03 | whardier | is all mad at the world now |
| 20:24:12 | whardier | people owe me masses of money |
| 20:24:27 | scribe | yo kergoth. Not much. Had a good nights sleep after a long day of coding yesterday. |
| 20:24:32 | jperlow-sharp | ah netstat -r gave it to me |
| 20:24:54 | jperlow-sharp | excnjlk.sharpsec.com |
| 20:25:05 | whardier | you know |
| 20:25:06 | whardier | hmm |
| 20:25:08 | whardier | hmmm |
| 20:25:12 | whardier | begins the ponder |
| 20:25:15 | whardier | hmmmmmm |
| 20:25:30 | whardier | kergoth would know this |
| 20:25:39 | whardier | I wanna write a quick shell test |
| 20:25:45 | whardier | to see if ppp0 is up or not |
| 20:26:19 | kergoth | dont scripts already exist for that in most distros? |
| 20:26:21 | jperlow-sharp | aw man bigboss you gonna make me compile the blasted thing? |
| 20:26:33 | kergoth | if not you can just parse the output of ifconfig ppp0.. |
| 20:26:41 | whardier | I dunno what the test is |
| 20:26:53 | kergoth | jperlow-sharp, whardier: fowarded screenshots of opie using Liquid |
| 20:26:58 | whardier | I tried test -n `ifconfig|grep ppp0` |
| 20:27:03 | whardier | i think I might be dumb |
| 20:27:12 | whardier | infact.. all signs point to yes |
| 20:27:17 | jperlow-sharp | I tell you man being a desktop linux user is a total lifestyle choice |
| 20:27:20 | jperlow-sharp | its easier being gay |
| 20:27:26 | whardier | rawr? |
| 20:27:38 | whardier | you saying linux desktop users are gay?! |
| 20:27:45 | jperlow-sharp | that, except for the unpleasant bedroom aspects |
| 20:28:04 | jperlow-sharp | we have the same mentality as gay people |
| 20:28:18 | whardier | open minded? |
| 20:28:20 | whardier | hehehe |
| 20:28:31 | whardier | I really don't let people stick stuff in me |
| 20:28:34 | jperlow-sharp | we're like militant gay people |
| 20:28:35 | whardier | I am an outie sorta guy |
| 20:28:36 | jperlow-sharp | lesbians |
| 20:28:52 | whardier | kergoth: forwarded email? |
| 20:28:56 | whardier | oh |
| 20:28:56 | whardier | heh |
| 20:28:59 | whardier | has mail |
| 20:29:18 | jperlow-sharp | damn that aethera is one big ass source package |
| 20:29:40 | whardier | kergoth who gave you that? |
| 20:29:51 | whardier | ok.. time to hack shadowed dialogs into OPIE |
| 20:29:54 | whardier | STEP BACK PEOPLE! |
| 20:30:54 | whardier | hey.. I said step back |
| 20:31:16 | whardier | want me to waste some juice! |
| 20:31:21 | whardier | makes animated menus |
| 20:31:22 | whardier | haha |
| 20:31:30 | whardier | I warn you.. I will do it! |
| 20:31:40 | whardier | </blah> |
| 20:32:29 | jperlow-sharp | kergoth you gonna implement the liquid as part of opie/oz? |
| 20:35:21 | jperlow-sharp | bigboss I got a bad EOF when I untarred aethera |
| 20:35:29 | jperlow-sharp | and then when I ran the binary it gave me an error :( |
| 20:35:50 | jperlow-sharp | blah! |
| 20:36:21 | BigBoss | well it's worked for hundreds of others |
| 20:36:26 | BigBoss | bad download maybe? |
| 20:37:46 | jperlow-sharp | bus error. |
| 20:37:47 | jperlow-sharp | nice. |
| 20:38:14 | jperlow-sharp | who made this one, the indian or the russian? |
| 20:38:29 | jperlow-sharp | this is on rh 7.2 |
| 20:38:34 | jperlow-sharp | let me download it again |
| 20:38:36 | jperlow-sharp | blah |
| 20:39:52 | jperlow-sharp | yeah it might have been a bad download |
| 20:40:09 | jperlow-sharp | but damn jones, cant you make the next one an rpm |
| 20:42:12 | whardier | blah |
| 20:42:41 | jperlow-sharp | damn sourceforge, half the time the downloads crap out |
| 20:42:52 | jperlow-sharp | fusuion94, you suck |
| 20:42:56 | kergoth | hah |
| 20:42:58 | jperlow-sharp | :) |
| 20:43:11 | kergoth | whardier: some kde hacker did the liquid thing. he ported kde theme styles as well,.. and the xp style |
| 20:43:23 | whardier | prudhomme |
| 20:43:28 | jperlow-sharp | kergoth: do they take up a lot of ram? |
| 20:43:35 | kergoth | jperlow-sharp: there may be licensing difficulties with liquid.. doubt we can include it.. iirc, its qpl |
| 20:43:36 | jperlow-sharp | er rom |
| 20:43:39 | whardier | heh |
| 20:43:45 | kergoth | jperlow-sharp: dont know, havent actually installed opie on my zaurus yet |
| 20:43:52 | kergoth | jperlow-sharp: no GUI on my Z at all right now |
| 20:43:53 | whardier | hahaha |
| 20:44:11 | jperlow-sharp | you are running a gui-less Z? |
| 20:44:14 | jperlow-sharp | you got balls. |
| 20:45:07 | whardier | we got boredom |
| 20:45:15 | whardier | ok lets see |
| 20:45:31 | whardier | kergoth when yous aid theming system.. did you mean Meta Language based or just as .so's? |
| 20:45:36 | whardier | s/aid/said/ |
| 20:45:56 | kergoth | whardier: actually i dont know the details yet. regardless it sounds like this guy will be able to help us fix opie's theme system |
| 20:45:57 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:46:13 | whardier | haha |
| 20:46:14 | kergoth | shit the opie mailing list is getting fairly active |
| 20:46:14 | whardier | rule |
| 20:46:20 | whardier | get shared libs working |
| 20:46:23 | whardier | and that would be cool |
| 20:46:28 | whardier | maybe I should join |
| 20:46:43 | Neo|Work | anyone interested in trying a new SA version? |
| 20:46:53 | whardier | sure |
| 20:46:56 | cmdrake | yeah |
| 20:46:59 | whardier | I have a CF writer near me now |
| 20:47:00 | jperlow-sharp | neo: sure |
| 20:47:09 | jperlow-sharp | I love things that waste my productivity |
| 20:47:24 | jperlow-sharp | the Sr VP of marketing wants a new version already |
| 20:47:38 | jperlow-sharp | his kid threw a temper tantrum when the nav bar came up |
| 20:47:46 | whardier | ? |
| 20:48:01 | jperlow-sharp | whardier: has a bug that causes the nav bar to get in the way |
| 20:48:17 | whardier | haha |
| 20:48:22 | Neo|Work | http://eongames.com/downloads/sa_beta2_arm.ipk |
| 20:48:23 | whardier | ok |
| 20:48:27 | whardier | I wanna port worms2 damnit |
| 20:48:40 | whardier | do you know how much fun that would be? |
| 20:48:52 | Neo|Work | it should: have sound, handle fullscreen better (but I doubt it's perfect) |
| 20:49:20 | Neo|Work | I think the fullscreen will bork if another app launches and exits |
| 20:49:52 | Neo|Work | it might: crash (or so it did yesterday) |
| 20:51:26 | BigBoss | jason: aethera is a Qt application, and by not making an RPM, it is much cleaner to deploy |
| 20:52:01 | whardier | Neo|Work this is neat |
| 20:52:10 | kergoth | BigBoss: does aethera support folders on the imap server? |
| 20:52:25 | kergoth | BigBoss: that is, displaying the entire tree or subscribing to folders other than INDEX |
| 20:52:57 | Neo|Work | whardier: :) |
| 20:53:23 | BigBoss | kergoth: I believe it does |
| 20:53:44 | kergoth | BigBoss: k, I'll check it out then. I've been using either Evolution or Mozilla-mail lately |
| 20:53:58 | roge99 | BigBoss: who do we report bugs to |
| 20:55:12 | kergoth | BigBoss: is aethera in debian sid? |
| 20:55:25 | kergoth | nm |
| 20:55:29 | kergoth | apt-cache search aethera; |
| 20:55:30 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:55:33 | jperlow-sharp | screen handling is way better |
| 20:55:38 | jperlow-sharp | but no digitized sound |
| 20:55:58 | jperlow-sharp | I have a mini speaker hooked up |
| 20:56:02 | whardier | you know.. if this woman on the phone did not wanna have sex with me so bad.. she could probably pronounce her words |
| 20:56:09 | kergoth | whardier: aha |
| 20:56:10 | whardier | I am pretty sure that is the problem |
| 20:56:38 | kergoth | BigBoss: whats the current Aethera version? |
| 20:56:42 | BigBoss | kergoth: I don't think it's in debian yet |
| 20:56:43 | whardier | I am building a super contact manager and task follower in PHP |
| 20:56:48 | BigBoss | 0.9.6c I believe |
| 20:56:50 | whardier | maybe I should add Opie support |
| 20:57:10 | Neo|Work | jperlow-sharp: strange. if you go to the menu->options, is sound enabled? |
| 20:57:14 | kergoth | whardier: nah just add php support to boa. lol |
| 20:57:14 | jperlow-sharp | yep |
| 20:57:22 | whardier | kergoth and mysql |
| 20:57:22 | whardier | heh' |
| 20:57:29 | jperlow-sharp | only get sounds out of the piezo |
| 20:57:37 | jperlow-sharp | but no explosions or anything like that |
| 20:57:38 | whardier | its a little big for 320x240 anyways |
| 20:57:43 | whardier | ahha.. kitten! |
| 20:58:02 | Neo|Work | jperlow-sharp: well, I'm baffled. :P QSound is rather, no offesense to anyone, limited... heh |
| 20:58:51 | kergoth | BigBoss: aethera is in debian sid.. but its only beta 4, not beta 6. :-) |
| 21:00:06 | jperlow-sharp | aethera runs |
| 21:00:10 | BigBoss | kergoth: someone asked me for source recently to debian-ize it, but it's in a state that I'd rather wait a bit |
| 21:00:15 | jperlow-sharp | now I gotta see if it talks to mister server |
| 21:00:19 | kergoth | BigBoss: ah, cool |
| 21:00:20 | Neo|Work | btw, that version has localization. hash spanish, french and german locale |
| 21:00:23 | BigBoss | jason: there is going to be an update next week of Aethera |
| 21:00:28 | Neo|Work | uses the locale/language settings |
| 21:00:56 | kergoth | BigBoss: you should have the debian build files in the source tree, if you dont already.. then i could just build myself a package. i dont like installing anything without controlling it via the package management system. |
| 21:03:07 | BigBoss | kergoth: I use debian on my apple laptop, so I understand |
| 21:03:12 | jperlow-sharp | ack imap4 getmailhandler doesnt work yet in aethera |
| 21:03:25 | jperlow-sharp | so no way to tell if our exchange server can do it |
| 21:03:28 | jperlow-sharp | lemme try pop |
| 21:03:42 | jperlow-sharp | that blows gophers out of rusty tailpipes man. |
| 21:03:51 | BigBoss | imap works in aethera - of course there are billions of funky little bits in Aethera |
| 21:04:27 | Fastolfe | ... |
| 21:04:36 | GoonSqad | Hello everyone |
| 21:05:04 | Neo|Work | So no sound for anyone in SA? |
| 21:05:05 | whardier | * Go to the NiL source directory change to nil and do the normal |
| 21:05:05 | whardier | ./configure && make this should leave an executeable in |
| 21:05:05 | whardier | the next nil directory (mine is: /home/ff/nil/nil/nil). |
| 21:05:09 | whardier | augh |
| 21:05:19 | Neo|Work | does anyone have any apps using QSound that actually plays sounds? :P |
| 21:05:29 | Neo|Work | oh well, later worries. /me goes to a short lunch break |
| 21:05:32 | Neo|Work | is away: lunch |
| 21:08:19 | sieve | burp........... |
| 21:09:21 | jperlow-sharp | damn aethera is downloading a shitload of mail via pop3 |
| 21:09:33 | jperlow-sharp | like 600 messages plus attachements |
| 21:10:10 | BigBoss | you leave the mail on the server I assume? |
| 21:13:34 | kergoth | ragh the sourcetree method is all fucked up in the oz buildsystem |
| 21:13:52 | jperlow-sharp | yeah |
| 21:14:10 | tgall_pda | reboots |
| 21:15:04 | Fastolfe | jperlow-sharp: did you get my mail ? |
| 21:15:18 | whardier | http://segfault.bogomip.com/mp3/fluke%20-%20absurd%20(whitewash%20mix).mp3 |
| 21:15:20 | whardier | :) |
| 21:15:36 | jperlow-sharp | aehtera does not like my server |
| 21:15:44 | jperlow-sharp | sucker keeps freezing on me |
| 21:15:52 | jperlow-sharp | fastolfe I got it thanks |
| 21:15:56 | Fastolfe | oh good |
| 21:16:15 | jperlow-sharp | wait... |
| 21:16:17 | jperlow-sharp | there is hope |
| 21:16:20 | jperlow-sharp | I see messages! |
| 21:16:26 | whardier | ? |
| 21:17:08 | kergoth | argh |
| 21:17:13 | kergoth | im gonna convert the method scripts to perl |
| 21:17:36 | kergoth | create a master 'source' perl script that when passed a path on the command line, obtains that path, regardless of whether its ftp, http, cvs, local |
| 21:17:45 | kergoth | yeahh thats it |
| 21:17:48 | kergoth | afk |
| 21:18:40 | whardier | q: |
| 21:18:47 | kendrick2 | whimpers |
| 21:18:48 | whardier | why is aethera "loading" |
| 21:18:55 | Fastolfe | jperlow-sharp: before I bother signing up with the handango stuff, can you tell me how one uploads releases to it ? |
| 21:18:58 | whardier | could it possibly be concerned about? |
| 21:19:16 | kendrick2 | does paul (the new sd rom guy) come on #zaurus? |
| 21:19:19 | Fastolfe | jperlow-sharp: also, the 1st link you sent in your email is passworded |
| 21:19:30 | tgall_pda | woo hoo |
| 21:20:11 | kergoth | hmmmm |
| 21:20:28 | kergoth | i think I may just use apt's methods for my buildsystem. just add cvs support and enhance them |
| 21:20:52 | kendrick2 | can't unsuspend still! :( |
| 21:21:10 | whardier | kergoth :) |
| 21:21:38 | roge99 | Hellaenergy: hey how ya doin |
| 21:21:51 | kergoth | whardier: it makes sense considering I'm going to rewrite the debian build scripts.. i may as well improve the way packages are obtained as well. heh. |
| 21:21:57 | Hellaenergy | Alright :| |
| 21:22:00 | kergoth | sup Hellaenergy |
| 21:22:17 | kendrick2 | who else here is using Paul's hacked 1.10 rom? anyone? |
| 21:22:18 | Hellaenergy | hey kergoth |
| 21:22:24 | whardier | kergoth.. you are an ultranerd |
| 21:22:28 | kergoth | whardier: lol |
| 21:22:32 | kergoth | whardier: wtf is an ultranerd |
| 21:22:43 | whardier | you |
| 21:22:43 | whardier | heh |
| 21:22:45 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:22:51 | Fastolfe | kergoth: it's an ultra, only more nerdish |
| 21:23:05 | kergoth | Fastolfe: hah |
| 21:23:08 | tgall_pda | hmmm not sure if that would qualify you for an account on uberh4x0r.org ;-) |
| 21:23:49 | kendrick2 | sighs |
| 21:23:55 | kendrick2 | it rules, in /theory/ :) |
| 21:24:03 | kendrick2 | having 32MB of RAM, and 64MB of space, is awesome |
| 21:24:08 | kendrick2 | not waking up after suspend: sucks :) |
| 21:24:24 | kergoth | grumbles |
| 21:24:38 | kergoth | someone should really incorporate aspects of apt into dpkg itself |
| 21:25:27 | kendrick2 | what format is the 'backup' file in? |
| 21:26:44 | kendrick2 | is it just a tar? or? |
| 21:27:10 | Aelfweld | kendrick2: 32M of ram on the Z while running? did you install everything to cf somehow? |
| 21:27:13 | kergoth | apt has an ssh method now? |
| 21:27:15 | kergoth | nifty |
| 21:27:17 | kendrick2 | everything's on SD now |
| 21:27:27 | kendrick2 | i used paul's rom... don't tell me you're not on the mailing list :) |
| 21:27:58 | Aelfweld | which mailing list? |
| 21:28:06 | kendrick2 | the sourceforge ones |
| 21:28:10 | kendrick2 | 'zaurus-general', for example |
| 21:28:13 | Aelfweld | oop no I am not |
| 21:28:22 | kendrick2 | growls at sharp |
| 21:28:23 | Aelfweld | sounds like I missed something important |
| 21:28:29 | kendrick2 | "kill the web forums!" |
| 21:28:42 | kendrick2 | speak of the devil! |
| 21:28:56 | Aelfweld | is there an archive where I can read of this rom? |
| 21:28:59 | perlowj | frickin aethera downloaded all my exchange mail... and deleted them |
| 21:29:04 | kendrick2 | zaurus.sourceforge.net |
| 21:29:07 | perlowj | 642 messsages |
| 21:29:22 | kendrick2 | OUCH! :) |
| 21:29:31 | kendrick2 | perlow - my zaurus won't wake up from suspend :( |
| 21:29:35 | whardier | heh |
| 21:29:41 | whardier | kendrick2 did you kick it |
| 21:29:45 | kergoth | ah ha! thats where apt hides its tar and ar methods |
| 21:29:45 | kendrick2 | :^P |
| 21:29:47 | perlowj | I may have to get them to restore my exchange mailbox |
| 21:29:57 | kendrick2 | hehehehe |
| 21:29:59 | perlowj | that, or just live with the fact I am on kmail now |
| 21:30:05 | kendrick2 | :) |
| 21:30:08 | perlowj | or stay with outlook |
| 21:30:16 | perlowj | the last one sounds more likely |
| 21:30:20 | kendrick2 | ewww |
| 21:30:22 | kendrick2 | heh |
| 21:30:27 | kendrick2 | (not that i've ever used outlook personally) |
| 21:30:35 | Hellaenergy | Is the example in Qtopia supposed to run on the z out of the box? |
| 21:30:40 | kendrick2 | used elm for about 8 years... finally switched to mutt about a year ago |
| 21:30:51 | perlowj | BigBoss: BITE ME! :) |
| 21:31:49 | Hellaenergy | I get a can not execute binary file. Which leads me to believe that it is compiled for the wrong patform. How do I change that in the example.pro |
| 21:31:50 | jperlow-sharp | that wasnt very nice, perlowj |
| 21:32:02 | perlowj | oh yeah? |
| 21:32:04 | perlowj | you suck! |
| 21:32:15 | kendrick2 | jason :) |
| 21:32:23 | kendrick2 | jason - played with Paul's SD card ROM any? |
| 21:32:29 | jperlow-sharp | no not yet |
| 21:32:32 | kergoth | Hellaenergy: you dont hcange it in the pro |
| 21:32:33 | kendrick2 | other than the fact that i can't seem to unsuspend now, it rules rules RULES |
| 21:32:41 | kergoth | Hellaenergy: you change which dev- script you ran .. |
| 21:32:42 | jperlow-sharp | I will let you guys be the guinea pigs on that one |
| 21:32:51 | jperlow-sharp | I hear people had SD mounting issues with the suspend |
| 21:32:53 | tux_mike | kendrick2: huh? |
| 21:32:54 | kendrick2 | i installed x, konq, strat. assault, nethack, ... .. ... |
| 21:33:03 | Hellaenergy | k |
| 21:33:03 | kendrick2 | tux_mike - huh what? |
| 21:33:16 | tux_mike | huh sd card rom |
| 21:33:49 | kendrick2 | paul f's hacked ver. of 1.10 which uses all 32MB as RAM, and uses SD card (ext2fs) as root fs |
| 21:34:05 | Fastolfe | kendrick2: you have X installed ?? |
| 21:34:14 | jperlow-sharp | yeah its a wack hack. |
| 21:34:21 | kendrick2 | fastolfe - yes. but i dont know how to 'launch' it :) |
| 21:34:24 | Hellaenergy | kergoth: I need to use the right tmake huh :) |
| 21:34:24 | tux_mike | kendrick2: cool |
| 21:34:32 | kendrick2 | jperlow - sharp should release a (stable) sharp rom with this hack |
| 21:34:33 | Fastolfe | kendrick2: I think your suspend prob comes from it |
| 21:34:40 | kendrick2 | fastolfe - really!? |
| 21:34:43 | kendrick2 | hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 21:34:48 | kendrick2 | reboots z to uninstall x11 |
| 21:34:49 | Fastolfe | kendrick2: I found a bug in my apm daemon yesterday night |
| 21:34:52 | tux_mike | yah, that's happened to me |
| 21:34:54 | kendrick2 | :^P |
| 21:34:55 | kergoth | Hellaenergy: precisely. the TMAKEPATH. |
| 21:34:55 | jperlow-sharp | kendrick:we like STABILITY |
| 21:35:02 | Fastolfe | kendrick2: hold on, I'll tell you how to fix it |
| 21:35:06 | kendrick2 | jperlow - ok.. not paul's fault... fastolfe's :) |
| 21:35:17 | kendrick2 | fastolfe - how do i even get INTO x? |
| 21:35:27 | kendrick2 | didn't see any opts from the "Wait .. 5.4.3.2.1" prompt |
| 21:35:27 | jperlow-sharp | but I think openzaurus should have that capability, optionally |
| 21:35:39 | kendrick2 | graps jason by the collars |
| 21:35:40 | kendrick2 | IT RULES |
| 21:35:41 | kendrick2 | :) |
| 21:35:42 | kendrick2 | hehehe |
| 21:35:50 | kendrick2 | sorry :) i was just SO happy |
| 21:36:14 | kendrick2 | and for me, it worked flawlessly. moved all stuff off SD (was only installed apps anyway, which were about to be reinstalled), then did "mk2fs" or whatever |
| 21:36:22 | Fastolfe | kendrick2: go to /etc/rc.d/init.d and look for a file called zapmd (or something like that) |
| 21:36:23 | kendrick2 | install new rom... voila! |
| 21:36:34 | kendrick2 | fastolfe - ok... I'm "Please wait"ing ) |
| 21:36:39 | Fastolfe | yeah |
| 21:37:02 | kendrick2 | i don't see it |
| 21:37:06 | Fastolfe | actually, my apm daemon works fine, but it clashes with qtopia, because qtopia is lax with apm ioctls, so it doesn't restore them properly |
| 21:37:11 | Fastolfe | hold on ... |
| 21:37:20 | kendrick2 | :) |
| 21:37:23 | kendrick2 | in your face, trolltech! ;0 |
| 21:37:38 | kendrick2 | keeps touching zaurus to keep it from sleeping |
| 21:37:45 | kendrick2 | maybe i'll run light-n-power ;) |
| 21:38:06 | tux_mike | hrm... |
| 21:38:15 | Fastolfe | kendrick2: never mind that. Remove /etc/rc.d/rc4.d/S99zapmd and /etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S99zapmd |
| 21:38:17 | Fastolfe | and reboot |
| 21:38:22 | tux_mike | is gonna have to hunt down some old nintendos for scrap parts :) |
| 21:38:44 | kendrick2 | done |
| 21:38:49 | kendrick2 | tux? |
| 21:38:55 | Fastolfe | kendrick2: the only thing is, the apm won't work in X. I'll fix that ... |
| 21:39:22 | Fastolfe | kendrick2: reboot, then drop to the console with "/" then "a", login as root, then type "wm". That'll start it |
| 21:39:27 | tux_mike | i have a friends who's old NES's PPU is failing. |
| 21:39:31 | kendrick2 | ah |
| 21:39:40 | kendrick2 | likes his collection of video game systems |
| 21:39:58 | kendrick2 | 2600jr, NES, SNES, Jaguar, PSX, DC, Lynx, PS2 |
| 21:40:00 | tux_mike | and i need to find a screwdriver to remove these @$%@# nuts on the gamepack |
| 21:40:04 | kendrick2 | hehehehehe |
| 21:40:11 | kendrick2 | there're places who seel NES screwdrivers :) |
| 21:40:13 | Fastolfe | tux_mike: hammer ? |
| 21:40:26 | tux_mike | Fastolfe: i need to put it back together |
| 21:40:32 | Fastolfe | oic :) |
| 21:40:33 | tux_mike | kendrick2: any idea who? |
| 21:40:35 | kendrick2 | glue? :) |
| 21:40:40 | Fastolfe | nnaah |
| 21:40:42 | Fastolfe | DUCT TAPE !!! |
| 21:40:47 | kendrick2 | hang on |
| 21:40:54 | whardier | hi |
| 21:41:01 | tux_mike | i need to replace the batteries in the carts and clean the edge connectors |
| 21:41:09 | jperlow-sharp | man kit kat bars do not taste like they used to |
| 21:41:32 | Fastolfe | kendrick2: so does it work ? |
| 21:41:35 | kendrick2 | crap - i forget. rec.games.video.* might be a good place to ask (or google) |
| 21:41:47 | kendrick2 | fast: ok - just suspended |
| 21:41:49 | Hellaenergy | kergoth: I finally got that damb program to comile that I was so confused about last night. |
| 21:41:51 | Fastolfe | heh |
| 21:41:53 | kendrick2 | YAY! it worked! it worked! |
| 21:41:56 | kergoth | Hellaenergy: good good |
| 21:41:59 | Fastolfe | I mean X, does it start ? |
| 21:42:01 | kendrick2 | time to post 50'th message to list :) |
| 21:42:04 | kendrick2 | fast - uhh... no :) |
| 21:42:07 | kendrick2 | but qtopia unsuspends |
| 21:42:09 | kendrick2 | how do i get into X? |
| 21:42:17 | Fastolfe | kendrick2: reboot, then drop to the console with "/" then "a", login as root, then type "wm". That'll start it |
| 21:42:17 | Hellaenergy | I used tmake instead of maually doing it |
| 21:42:45 | kergoth | Hellaenergy: hehe |
| 21:42:48 | kendrick2 | how about just terminating qtopia? |
| 21:42:51 | kendrick2 | would that work? |
| 21:42:58 | Fastolfe | kendrick2: yeah that'll work :) |
| 21:43:02 | Neo|Work | is back (gone 00:37:30) |
| 21:43:07 | kendrick2 | ** w00t! ** |
| 21:43:09 | Fastolfe | kendrick2: I just pasted the line I already sent before :) |
| 21:43:31 | Neo|Work | needs to hack his bug tracking system to modify guest behavior and add online user registration |
| 21:43:40 | kendrick2 | it's broken |
| 21:43:43 | Fastolfe | sup ? |
| 21:43:45 | kendrick2 | i dont see any of my qtopia apps |
| 21:43:47 | kendrick2 | *KIDDING* |
| 21:43:48 | kendrick2 | hehehe :) |
| 21:43:50 | Fastolfe | hmm |
| 21:43:54 | Hellaenergy | it didn't like arm-linux-g++ -I$QPEDIR/include -L$QPEDIR/lib -lqpe -lqte -o blah blah.c |
| 21:44:01 | Fastolfe | whacks kendrick2 behind the head |
| 21:44:06 | kendrick2 | hang on |
| 21:44:09 | kendrick2 | need to show coworkers :) |
| 21:44:13 | kendrick2 | RUUULE :) |
| 21:44:14 | kergoth | Hellaenergy: odd, since it worked on mine... oh well, stick to tmake for qt projects. heh |
| 21:44:14 | Hellaenergy | linker errors everytime |
| 21:44:16 | kendrick2 | i should port aliens now :) |
| 21:44:23 | kendrick2 | gives fastolfe a big wet sloppy kiss |
| 21:44:24 | kendrick2 | :) |
| 21:44:25 | kergoth | i need to install picogui on my Z |
| 21:44:27 | Hellaenergy | yup yup and yup |
| 21:44:30 | Fastolfe | I'll fix the daemon tonite, so it accomodates poor lil' delicate qpe :) |
| 21:44:32 | J-Fly | why are there no manuals/instructions on loading files on to the Z via usb on the sharp dev. website? |
| 21:44:48 | jperlow-sharp | kendrick: btw, metro link is porting to Zaurus |
| 21:44:58 | jperlow-sharp | will be commercial quality x solution |
| 21:45:18 | jperlow-sharp | so we will have 2 X11's to chose from |
| 21:45:53 | Fastolfe | heh |
| 21:45:53 | kendrick2 | boss seems impressed :) |
| 21:45:53 | Fastolfe | xig rocks |
| 21:45:53 | kendrick2 | i can't seem to change the brightness |
| 21:45:59 | Aelfweld | excuse my ignorance but qtopia(or the apps) will not run once x is started right? |
| 21:46:01 | Fastolfe | kendrick2: duh ! you stopped the X apm daemon :) |
| 21:46:11 | kendrick2 | j-fly - tried ftp? |
| 21:46:19 | Fastolfe | Aelfweld: correct |
| 21:46:23 | jperlow-sharp | aef: for the moment, they will be separate environments |
| 21:46:28 | kendrick2 | would it be possible to get qt for x? |
| 21:46:36 | jperlow-sharp | there are some future plans in the making to integrate the two |
| 21:46:37 | J-Fly | kendrick2: i dont know how to bring the interface up on my desktop |
| 21:46:39 | Fastolfe | Aelfweld: but I mean, who needs qtopia when you can play super-mario eh ? |
| 21:46:40 | kergoth | damnit, the apt documentation is too user level |
| 21:46:50 | kendrick2 | j-fly - ahh... that can be troublesome. linux or? |
| 21:46:59 | Aelfweld | I would have to agree Fastolfe plus there are more x apps |
| 21:47:03 | J-Fly | yea, freshly compiled 2.4.18 kernel |
| 21:47:19 | kendrick2 | cdcether patch? or separate mark kim (vindaci) binary? |
| 21:47:28 | kendrick2 | rom 1.10 or 1.11 on the z? |
| 21:47:32 | Aelfweld | I think x-tank on the z would be cool ;) |
| 21:47:35 | Fastolfe | I want kde on my Zaurus |
| 21:47:38 | Fastolfe | not ! |
| 21:47:40 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:47:41 | kendrick2 | pees his pants |
| 21:47:50 | J-Fly | the patch that was in the default kernel package. |
| 21:47:52 | Fastolfe | goes into brown alert |
| 21:47:54 | J-Fly | rom 1.02 |
| 21:47:58 | whardier | hiI have php4 working with boa |
| 21:48:00 | kergoth | Fastolfe: some guy ported the Liquid kde style to qtopia. its pretty. hehe. |
| 21:48:01 | whardier | :) |
| 21:48:03 | kergoth | whardier: you do? |
| 21:48:05 | whardier | yeah |
| 21:48:08 | whardier | php4-cgi |
| 21:48:09 | whardier | hehehe |
| 21:48:11 | kergoth | whardier: aha |
| 21:48:18 | whardier | aha || haha ? |
| 21:48:19 | kendrick2 | kerg - where? |
| 21:48:24 | kergoth | whardier: take your pick |
| 21:48:25 | J-Fly | Fastolfe: do you have a link to the liquid port? |
| 21:48:36 | kendrick2 | liquid is the one with see-thru, right? |
| 21:48:41 | Fastolfe | J-Fly: nope |
| 21:48:42 | kendrick2 | or am i thinking of another one |
| 21:48:44 | kergoth | kendrick2, J-Fly: its not available publicly yet i dont think. |
| 21:48:49 | J-Fly | ohh ok |
| 21:48:51 | kendrick2 | kerg - damn you! :) |
| 21:48:52 | whardier | hmm |
| 21:48:55 | kendrick2 | (or him i guess :) ) |
| 21:48:56 | kergoth | kendrick2: yeh its got transparent menus |
| 21:49:01 | kendrick2 | drools |
| 21:49:02 | kergoth | s/transparent/translucent/ |
| 21:49:05 | kergoth | whatever |
| 21:49:06 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:49:08 | kendrick2 | fast - does light controls work under x? |
| 21:49:10 | kendrick2 | they dont seem to for me |
| 21:49:12 | jperlow-sharp | oh man I crave indian food |
| 21:49:19 | whardier | its hurts your butt remember |
| 21:49:21 | jperlow-sharp | this could be very bad |
| 21:49:29 | J-Fly | kendrick2: is it possible to log into the Z with the 1.02 patch? |
| 21:49:39 | Fastolfe | kendrick2: yes, but if you want light control, you'll have to start the apm daemon, == no unsuspend under Craptopia |
| 21:49:49 | kendrick2 | fast - understood |
| 21:49:50 | whardier | should enable smooth light fading :) |
| 21:49:57 | jperlow-sharp | man I could really go for a vindaloo. |
| 21:50:01 | kendrick2 | ok :) i'll await update from you :) |
| 21:50:01 | whardier | did way too much of that with LCDProc |
| 21:50:03 | Fastolfe | hmmm |
| 21:50:06 | Fastolfe | vindaloo |
| 21:50:09 | Fastolfe | with a lager |
| 21:50:14 | Fastolfe | yum |
| 21:50:16 | jperlow-sharp | and popadums. |
| 21:50:26 | kendrick2 | j-fly - i had success using old-cdcether-patched 1.11 rom |
| 21:50:28 | Fastolfe | damn you jason, I'm fucking hungry now |
| 21:50:46 | kendrick2 | hey - is there a way to get the menus in xterm under x? |
| 21:50:52 | jperlow-sharp | lager, the only thing that will work against a curry |
| 21:50:57 | kendrick2 | like, if i want different colorscheme or font size? |
| 21:50:57 | kergoth | Fastolfe: is the new usb networking driver on the desktop broken? |
| 21:51:09 | jperlow-sharp | I love that show |
| 21:51:13 | jperlow-sharp | I wish it was on DVD |
| 21:51:30 | J-Fly | kendrick2: is this the cdcether patch that is included in any kernel download for kernel.org or a different one? |
| 21:51:32 | whardier | hehe |
| 21:51:33 | jperlow-sharp | hitchhikers guide is coming out in april |
| 21:51:33 | Fastolfe | kendrick2: the xterm I provide is the default from the XFree86 distro. Fancier ones can be ported tho |
| 21:51:47 | kendrick2 | wants blake's 7... damn region encoding! DAMN YOU TO HELL! |
| 21:51:58 | jperlow-sharp | yeah blake would be nice |
| 21:52:00 | kendrick2 | fast - well, i guess can i get a 'right click', yo? |
| 21:52:01 | jperlow-sharp | so would dr who |
| 21:52:09 | kendrick2 | jperlow - i didnt know you were a fan :) |
| 21:52:18 | jperlow-sharp | oh yeah, big time |
| 21:52:18 | kendrick2 | there's a moving in the works :) www.blakes7.com |
| 21:52:29 | Aelfweld | there are a couple region 1 dr who dvds |
| 21:52:32 | kendrick2 | (that site has some really funny news postings by paul darrow) |
| 21:52:33 | jperlow-sharp | like bab5 too |
| 21:52:35 | Fastolfe | kendrick2: ain't no right clicking, but I spose I could implement it |
| 21:52:45 | jperlow-sharp | looking forward to the new jms show on showtime |
| 21:53:08 | Aelfweld | I wonder what the new series by the b5 guy is going to be like. of course I don't have showtime |
| 21:53:14 | kendrick2 | found a "bug?" - if i click the speaker icon, it loads more and more volume control apps |
| 21:53:18 | Neo|Work | "A synonym is a word you use when you can't spell the word you first thought of." -- Burt Bacharach |
| 21:53:25 | jperlow-sharp | I am subscribing to showtime just to see that show |
| 21:53:33 | kendrick2 | it'd be nice if the sound app would know if it was already running, sent the running one a signal, and make it appear/focus/etc/ |
| 21:53:39 | kendrick2 | neo :) |
| 21:53:49 | Aelfweld | I figure in a year they will do the sg1 thing and be showing it on fox and upn off nights |
| 21:53:55 | Fastolfe | kendrick2: well well, it sounds like you're volunteering :) |
| 21:53:56 | kendrick2 | j-fly - oops no - sorry hang on |
| 21:54:01 | J-Fly | sure |
| 21:54:06 | kendrick2 | jason - point j-fly to the "eth over usb howto" for zaurus on zzone |
| 21:54:13 | kendrick2 | hah |
| 21:54:19 | kendrick2 | i have my own stuff to work on :) |
| 21:54:21 | jperlow-sharp | jfly: www.zauruszone.com/wiki |
| 21:54:24 | kendrick2 | always... all the time... always |
| 21:54:30 | Neo|Work | jperlow-sharp: I'll get tapes with it from a friend who just got Showtime for that one reason |
| 21:54:33 | J-Fly | thanx |
| 21:54:39 | Fastolfe | kendrick2: does the timezone thing work > |
| 21:54:39 | Fastolfe | ? |
| 21:54:44 | kendrick2 | fast- hang |
| 21:54:55 | kendrick2 | WOAH |
| 21:55:05 | Fastolfe | looks like it does ;) |
| 21:55:39 | kendrick2 | i can't click-and-hold the downarrow to scroll thru cities |
| 21:55:42 | kendrick2 | it's a little hard to use :)( |
| 21:55:45 | kendrick2 | s/:)(/:(/ |
| 21:55:46 | jperlow-sharp | stongly debating whether or not I should get the next gen dvds |
| 21:55:50 | whardier | adds "real" php support into boa |
| 21:55:59 | jperlow-sharp | cause I collected all of trek classic and just got all the space 1999 |
| 21:55:59 | bipolar_away | is away: I'm not here... Really.... |
| 21:56:02 | whardier | boa is just too small |
| 21:56:03 | Aelfweld | the nextgen dvds seem like a good deal |
| 21:56:04 | whardier | hehe |
| 21:56:07 | whardier | its freaky |
| 21:56:09 | Fastolfe | kendrick2: you can use the arrows, they will autoscroll |
| 21:56:18 | Aelfweld | hehe how are the space 1999 dvds? |
| 21:56:22 | kendrick2 | eww - space 1999 |
| 21:56:24 | Fastolfe | kendrick2: this is a quick hack |
| 21:56:25 | kendrick2 | i didnt like that show :^P |
| 21:56:30 | jperlow-sharp | aelf: just like they were |
| 21:56:32 | jperlow-sharp | corny |
| 21:56:33 | kendrick2 | fast - cool. clock is set righ tnow :) |
| 21:56:46 | Fastolfe | kendrick2: it won't be set right under qtopia tho |
| 21:56:46 | kendrick2 | bought the prisoner set on a whim |
| 21:57:03 | kendrick2 | fast - you mean it'll fuck up my qtopia time setting? |
| 21:57:04 | jperlow-sharp | I just ordered the muppet show from time life |
| 21:57:07 | kendrick2 | or that it just doesnt affect it |
| 21:57:28 | J-Fly | kendrick2: i took a look through /var/log/messages, and my system recognizes it, but fails to make an eth interface for it. Any suggestions? |
| 21:57:31 | Aelfweld | oo the muppet show, is it a boxed set? |
| 21:57:35 | jperlow-sharp | ya |
| 21:57:40 | Neo|Work | I personally love Stargate SG-1 |
| 21:57:42 | Neo|Work | great show |
| 21:57:48 | kendrick2 | j-fly - eek... i'm not in front of my box at home where it works |
| 21:57:55 | Aelfweld | how much for how many episodes? |
| 21:57:58 | Fastolfe | kendrick2: qtopia is always at the wrong TZ because it does it's own TZ cuisine. Therefore, unless you're in London, you probably changed the Qtopia time (but not its TZ) |
| 21:58:04 | J-Fly | ok, thats fine...i'll futz around with it |
| 21:58:14 | kendrick2 | hmm |
| 21:58:19 | kendrick2 | well, lemme switch back to qtopia |
| 21:58:35 | kendrick2 | hey - for those of us (me) who want to port some x11 stuff to the z, what should i do to get them to appear in the icewm menu? |
| 21:58:40 | jperlow-sharp | http://www.timelife.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/DisplayProductInformation-Start;%24sid%24PIPVczx-qIPIs92j4xOFpmtnOeWwAmjE?ProductSKU=MSBXX |
| 21:59:03 | whardier | kendrick2 isn't that an icewm question :P |
| 21:59:12 | Fastolfe | qtopia seems to have a philosophy of never using the underlying system's resources whenever possible, so when x sets the tz "correctly", qtopia ignores it |
| 21:59:35 | Fastolfe | kendrick2: look in /usr/local/lib/X11/icewm |
| 21:59:42 | kendrick2 | ok |
| 21:59:47 | Fastolfe | kendrick2: it's got a menu file, icons and shit |
| 21:59:49 | kendrick2 | brb - i REALLY need to pee ;) |
| 21:59:52 | jperlow-sharp | there are 13 volumes |
| 21:59:52 | Fastolfe | lol |
| 22:00:12 | kergoth | Fastolfe: i wonder how fixing the TZ shit to use the low level tz support in opie would affect compatibility with qtopia |
| 22:00:13 | Hellaenergy | Does anyone here use designer? |
| 22:00:18 | kergoth | Hellaenergy: try to avoid it |
| 22:00:28 | Hellaenergy | : |
| 22:00:34 | jperlow-sharp | 10 volumes, excuse me |
| 22:00:38 | jperlow-sharp | 175 bucks |
| 22:00:53 | Hellaenergy | I don't get it you design the skeleton and then write code beside it? |
| 22:01:15 | Neo|Work | I don't think it's helpful (for embedded apps at least) |
| 22:01:33 | Aelfweld | not too bad |
| 22:01:36 | jperlow-sharp | yeah it was $175 for the entire muppet show |
| 22:01:58 | Neo|Work | jperlow-sharp: scary. :P Who would have thought one could buy the complete muppet show collection |
| 22:02:07 | Neo|Work | that said, I used to swear by that show as a kid. :) |
| 22:02:14 | Aelfweld | is it all the episode or just 30 had picked ones? |
| 22:02:39 | Aelfweld | hand picked even. |
| 22:03:29 | jperlow-sharp | not sure |
| 22:03:43 | kergoth | damnit |
| 22:03:52 | kergoth | i hate it when i forget to tag a file as binary when i commit it to cvs |
| 22:04:31 | jperlow-sharp | kerg: so OZ is now totally compiled? it has nothing from the sharp roms at all now? |
| 22:04:56 | kergoth | jperlow-sharp: well beta 3 has nothing from the sharp roms atm.. |
| 22:05:00 | kergoth | jperlow-sharp: but i'll have to add some elements |
| 22:05:04 | kergoth | jperlow-sharp: such as sd/mmc |
| 22:05:21 | jperlow-sharp | coolio. |
| 22:05:22 | kergoth | jperlow-sharp: the buildsystem will rip that stuff out of the sharp rom on its own and inject it into ours |
| 22:05:29 | BigBoss | so is the Z frozen now? |
| 22:05:37 | jperlow-sharp | basically |
| 22:06:00 | jperlow-sharp | already talking about the stuff in the next one |
| 22:06:13 | Aelfweld | oh I have a question was the screen rotation removed from the 1.1x roms? I cannot find it |
| 22:06:24 | jperlow-sharp | rotation not in 1.1x |
| 22:06:28 | jperlow-sharp | not sure it was ever in there |
| 22:06:33 | jperlow-sharp | only in OZ |
| 22:06:35 | Aelfweld | oh maybe that was in oz |
| 22:06:54 | kergoth | Aelfweld: yeah it was in oz.. just install the rotation applet and the qt rotation fonts and it should work fine |
| 22:07:10 | Aelfweld | thanks kergoth o) |
| 22:07:36 | kergoth | Aelfweld: np.. you can get those two packages from opie.handhelds.org's feed |
| 22:07:48 | kergoth | Aelfweld: though you may have to force them to install using ipkg from the terminal |
| 22:07:52 | kendrick2 | returns |
| 22:07:59 | kendrick2 | you can get rotation for 1.1x |
| 22:08:08 | Aelfweld | ipkg from the terminal seems to work better anyway |
| 22:08:15 | kergoth | kendrick2: like i said, you just install rotation applet and rotation fonts |
| 22:12:59 | kendrick2 | reinstalls konq |
| 22:13:51 | sieve | burp............ . ... .... ... |
| 22:14:47 | sieve | Has anyone opened up a Z yet? |
| 22:15:01 | Fastolfe | jperlow-sharp: did you see my handango question ? |
| 22:15:04 | Neo|Work | I've seen pictures of the internals |
| 22:15:12 | Fastolfe | sieve: I opened mine |
| 22:15:14 | Neo|Work | Fastolfe: handango has a webinterface with a HTTP File upload form |
| 22:15:29 | Neo|Work | if that is the question you referred to |
| 22:15:30 | tgall_pda | sieve: open up my baby!?!?!?! |
| 22:15:34 | kendrick2 | fastolf - what dirs did i delete S99zapm from? |
| 22:15:36 | Fastolfe | NeoTron: thanks, that's what I needed to know !:) |
| 22:15:40 | kendrick2 | rc2.d and rc5.d ??? |
| 22:15:46 | Fastolfe | rc4.d and rc5.d |
| 22:15:48 | Neo|Work | easy to use etc. same with screenshot |
| 22:16:03 | Fastolfe | actually with the newest rom, only rc5.d counts |
| 22:16:34 | kendrick2 | thx |
| 22:16:37 | kendrick2 | posted success story |
| 22:16:50 | kendrick2 | (at least i hope i posted, and not just emailed paul :) ) |
| 22:17:06 | kendrick2 | i might need to blow air into my z... it's getting a little linty |
| 22:17:13 | sieve | heh |
| 22:19:01 | kendrick2 | wow.. konq takes a LONG time to install on sd |
| 22:19:28 | sieve | I think your Z is broke....... |
| 22:19:31 | kendrick2 | :^P |
| 22:19:32 | sieve | j/k |
| 22:19:43 | Fastolfe | I don't have an SD card, but I understand it only has like 8 pins, so is it only me or is it not bound to be a ton slower than a CF ? |
| 22:20:06 | kendrick2 | shrugs |
| 22:20:48 | ljp_work | must be just you, Fastolfe. |
| 22:21:01 | Fastolfe | ljp_work: Hmm ic |
| 22:21:05 | Fastolfe | bangs head |
| 22:21:12 | Fastolfe | ah yes, much better |
| 22:22:15 | kendrick2 | hehe - right as i was about to run "ps" to see what was going on (cpu usage seemed low for an ipkg install), add/rem comes up all happily completed |
| 22:22:19 | kendrick2 | sees if konq runs now |
| 22:22:48 | ljp_work | Fastolfe: did you see that they release integerized vorbis decoder.. it has some ARM assembler in it. |
| 22:22:56 | ljp_work | source |
| 22:23:15 | dkl | is there anything special that needs to be done to get AD-HOC to work with the Zaurus and DLink using ROM 1.11? |
| 22:24:54 | Fastolfe | ljp_work: asm rocks man |
| 22:25:16 | ljp_work | that's why it is faster than real time, he says |
| 22:25:43 | ljp_work | only prob is.. its version beta4 |
| 22:25:44 | kendrick2 | hmm... can't get QPSword to work |
| 22:25:52 | kendrick2 | where's the guy who released it |
| 22:25:54 | kendrick2 | hmm |
| 22:25:59 | Fastolfe | ljp_work: asm == good for speen, good for geekiness factor |
| 22:26:01 | Neo|Work | ljp_work: interesting. works with Z? |
| 22:26:13 | ljp_work | not yet.. it will |
| 22:26:16 | kergoth | kendrick2: scribe did sword, iirc |
| 22:26:16 | Neo|Work | cool |
| 22:26:32 | Neo|Work | then one can use it as sound format for sound effects. decode at load |
| 22:26:37 | ljp_work | he couldn't release version1 because they claimed ownership |
| 22:26:38 | kendrick2 | that's right |
| 22:27:03 | Neo|Work | I feel an urgent need of a real sound mixer library for the Z |
| 22:27:06 | kendrick2 | he had a different nick ('something'-scribe last night :) ) |
| 22:27:10 | kendrick2 | SDL_mixer!!! |
| 22:27:16 | Neo|Work | kinda like SDL_mixer + SDL_sound but without SDL |
| 22:27:17 | kendrick2 | and do SDL and SDL_image while you're at it ;) |
| 22:27:24 | kendrick2 | OpenAL? |
| 22:27:25 | kendrick2 | laughs |
| 22:27:27 | kergoth | kendrick2: any new info on SDL support for qt/e? heh |
| 22:27:29 | ljp_work | sound mxer with two sliders... |
| 22:27:36 | Neo|Work | kendrick2: Well, to be honest, you really need a Z to do such hacking... :P |
| 22:27:42 | kendrick2 | overcode is really, really busy- he says |
| 22:27:49 | kergoth | kendrick2: damn. heh |
| 22:28:01 | kendrick2 | i tried to get sharp to give him one :^) |
| 22:28:02 | kergoth | kendrick2: oh well. patience, eh |
| 22:28:28 | ljp_work | we've got someone writing a vorbis mediaplayer plugin |
| 22:28:33 | Neo|Work | would be nice though, if SDL sound support was a separate library not dependent on the rest of SDL |
| 22:28:45 | whardier | kills apache |
| 22:28:53 | Neo|Work | I need it on programmatic levels though, not as an app. :) |
| 22:28:57 | Neo|Work | QSound just doesn't cut it |
| 22:29:01 | Neo|Work | you can play a sound and that's it |
| 22:29:16 | Neo|Work | you can't even stop mid-sound or set volume |
| 22:29:34 | Neo|Work | plus who knows if it works at all... |
| 22:31:39 | Hellaenergy | Have you guys seen this Baby Bell shit from slashdot? |
| 22:31:43 | Hellaenergy | http://www.mv.com/issues/tz.shtml |
| 22:32:30 | Hellaenergy | I wonder how much it was to pay em off |
| 22:34:48 | Fastolfe | YES!! |
| 22:35:06 | Fastolfe | My jet engine has arrived YEEHA! |
| 22:35:12 | Hellaenergy | Send your letters |
| 22:35:19 | Hellaenergy | ? |
| 22:38:01 | kergoth | undefined reference to `QSView::QPaintDevice virtual table` |
| 22:38:03 | kergoth | wtf |
| 22:38:48 | Aelf-Afk | jet engine? |
| 22:39:51 | Fastolfe | www.amtjets.com |
| 22:40:10 | Fastolfe | I bought a used Pegasus for my bike |
| 22:40:24 | Fastolfe | EUR 1500, good deal |
| 22:41:10 | ljp_work | your bike is going to be jet powered? |
| 22:41:29 | Fastolfe | yeah! this really rocks man |
| 22:41:40 | ljp_work | that's too frickin funny! |
| 22:41:46 | Fastolfe | Gotta find a kerosene tank now |
| 22:41:47 | Aelf-Afk | hopes Fastolfe has a very good helment |
| 22:42:29 | ljp_work | hopes Fastolfe has good heat shields |
| 22:42:59 | Fastolfe | it'll be mounted at the end of a 80cm boom at the back of the bike |
| 22:43:03 | Fastolfe | so no prob |
| 22:44:00 | Fastolfe | this thing has an electric starter, it's so hip |
| 22:44:19 | Fastolfe | is all excited |
| 22:44:36 | ljp_work | what's next- wings that fold out, so you can fly your bike? |
| 22:44:47 | Fastolfe | It'll look like this : http://www.zzz.com.ru/72num4.jpg |
| 22:44:53 | kergoth | ljp_work: dont give him ideas |
| 22:45:01 | Fastolfe | ljp_work: not enuf thrust :) |
| 22:45:43 | kergoth | goddamnit |
| 22:45:49 | kergoth | just split mountain dew all over his dsk |
| 22:45:51 | ljp_work | just get very long wings |
| 22:45:52 | kergoth | s/dsk/desk/ |
| 22:46:15 | kend-away | is: sleepy |
| 22:47:10 | Fastolfe | Hey, I could use the Zaurus to control the starter and the injector ! |
| 22:47:16 | Fastolfe | and report the rpms |
| 22:49:14 | kergoth | arg |
| 22:49:22 | kergoth | 'undefined reference to qsview virtual table' |
| 22:49:28 | kergoth | wtf is wrong with the qsview class |
| 22:49:30 | kergoth | in my app |
| 22:49:34 | kergoth | piece of shit |
| 22:53:08 | J-Fly | is away: eating |
| 22:54:18 | Neo|Work | there, SA beta 2 is now publicly available from eongames.com |
| 22:57:27 | kend-away | nifty |
| 22:57:30 | kend-away | sound? :) |
| 22:57:32 | kend-away | tested on zaurus? |
| 22:59:19 | kergoth | hm |
| 22:59:28 | kergoth | how do i take a pointer to a member function of a class? |
| 22:59:38 | kergoth | from another member function that is |
| 22:59:40 | kendrick2 | neo - any plans to up the contrast in the gfx? |
| 22:59:45 | kendrick2 | 1.8 was really dark |
| 22:59:59 | tux_mike | gah! |
| 23:00:03 | tux_mike | damn my short memory |
| 23:00:53 | kergoth | tux_mike: ? |
| 23:01:30 | tux_mike | the guy at radio shack told me the name of the screws in the nes cartridges, and I forgot >< |
| 23:02:08 | kergoth | ah |
| 23:03:28 | tux_mike | it was something that started with a b and was popular in WWII |
| 23:04:10 | roge99 | tux_mike: what do they look like |
| 23:05:21 | tux_mike | it's a bolt that has a round head with 6 small round holes in a hexagon pattern drilled on the circumfrence |
| 23:05:35 | kendrick2 | yawns |
| 23:06:01 | ][N-Flux | ugh |
| 23:06:08 | ][N-Flux | sup peepe |
| 23:06:11 | ][N-Flux | peeps even |
| 23:07:55 | kergoth | sup ][N-Flux |
| 23:08:04 | ][N-Flux | too much working |
| 23:08:50 | sieve | werd |
| 23:09:00 | fusion94 | afternoon |
| 23:12:03 | tux_mike | gah. i'm not gonna figure it out |
| 23:15:01 | ][N-Flux | work work work :) |
| 23:15:13 | kendrick2 | how do i get smaller xterm fonts |
| 23:15:22 | kendrick2 | where is x finding 'fixed'? |
| 23:20:00 | kergoth | aha finally |
| 23:20:35 | kergoth | got the c graphics interface to access the cpp class |
| 23:20:38 | kergoth | is a moron |
| 23:26:40 | kendrick2 | what's this, kerg? |
| 23:27:30 | kergoth | adding qtopia/qt/e support to a c/gtk/sdl/x11/ codebase |
| 23:27:49 | kergoth | and since i'm not exactly a c++ expert yet, i didnt know the best way to interface into the existing subsystems |
| 23:28:40 | kendrick2 | hmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 23:28:46 | kendrick2 | sounds like just what i need :) |
| 23:28:52 | kendrick2 | wants to not touch C++ or Qt |
| 23:29:01 | kendrick2 | but wants to write games that run under qtopia ) |
| 23:29:04 | kendrick2 | :) |
| 23:29:14 | kergoth | ah.. |
| 23:29:25 | kergoth | I dont mind c++ actually |
| 23:29:26 | kergoth | or qt |
| 23:29:35 | kergoth | but I've always been a C coder so I'm inexperienced in both |
| 23:29:43 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:29:57 | kendrick2 | i kinda mind c++ |
| 23:30:06 | kendrick2 | i haven't figured out qt well enough to know if i like it or not |
| 23:30:10 | kergoth | ah.. |
| 23:30:13 | kendrick2 | fltk under c++ was frustrating til i got the hang of it |
| 23:30:15 | kergoth | why dont ya like c++? |
| 23:30:16 | kergoth | ah |
| 23:30:26 | kendrick2 | not much experience.. :) fear new things |
| 23:30:26 | kendrick2 | hehehe |
| 23:30:29 | kergoth | ah.. |
| 23:30:36 | kendrick2 | i dunno.. c is just so straightforward |
| 23:30:37 | kergoth | i'm the opposite |
| 23:30:38 | kergoth | :-) |
| 23:30:44 | kergoth | well I didnt have a prob w/ c++ |
| 23:30:47 | kendrick2 | like c++, dont like qt? :) |
| 23:31:03 | kergoth | because I realized that the conceptual view of 'objects' is basically what i was doing in my best c code anyway |
| 23:31:15 | kendrick2 | hey! |
| 23:31:19 | kergoth | ? |
| 23:31:21 | kendrick2 | jason? i cant get to the 'handango' sharp page! |
| 23:31:26 | kergoth | ah |
| 23:31:27 | kendrick2 | it's asking for a pw now |
| 23:31:31 | kergoth | yep |
| 23:31:42 | kendrick2 | /that's/ what someone was asking about |
| 23:31:44 | kendrick2 | what's the deal? |
| 23:31:46 | kergoth | no idea |
| 23:32:13 | kendrick2 | what's the url gonna be in the end? |
| 23:32:19 | kendrick2 | it was like "mysharp.com" or something |
| 23:32:34 | Hellaenergy | You are not authorized to view this page |
| 23:33:04 | kendrick2 | :^P |
| 23:33:10 | kendrick2 | well i guess i just suck, then ;) |
| 23:34:56 | kendrick2 | sharpplace.com - doesnt have anything yet |
| 23:35:06 | kendrick2 | just a 'sign up now!' :) so i did |
| 23:36:02 | | Neo|Work: i'm not following you... |
| 23:36:02 | Neo|Work | ibot: handago |
| 23:36:03 | kendrick2 | ok, i know this is for the old zaurus... but WOW! $129 for a CASE!?!? |
| 23:36:05 | kendrick2 | http://www.sharpplace.com/product.asp?sku=1749941 |
| 23:36:06 | | rumour has it handango is http://www.handango.com/sharp/Home.jsp?siteId=423&platformId=9&catalog=80 |
| 23:36:06 | Neo|Work | ibot: handango |
| 23:36:22 | kendrick2 | neo - still password protected :) |
| 23:36:43 | Neo|Work | kergoth: actuall, no |
| 23:36:49 | Neo|Work | well, I can get there at least |
| 23:37:04 | Neo|Work | it's definitely not meant to be public. :P |
| 23:37:12 | kendrick2 | WOAH |
| 23:37:17 | kendrick2 | i can get there from Links!! |
| 23:37:19 | kendrick2 | but not netscape!? |
| 23:37:33 | Neo|Work | I use mozilla |
| 23:37:48 | kendrick2 | worked from netscape yesterday :) |
| 23:37:51 | kendrick2 | (or was that konq, last night?) |
| 23:38:02 | kendrick2 | whatever. :) only new thing is strat. assault, and i have that ;) |
| 23:38:37 | whardier | http://www.graddon.net/towboat/towboat.htm |
| 23:39:47 | whardier | don't you hate it when you think somebody is going at it when you are on the phone with them |
| 23:39:55 | whardier | hi is ron there |
| 23:40:03 | whardier | "mm.. uhh.. err.. yeah.. giggle" |
| 23:40:31 | sieve | Has anybody put an XF86 on their Z? |
| 23:41:00 | kergoth | sieve: ? tinyx runs on the z, why not use that |
| 23:42:19 | Hellaenergy | kergoth: What is the difference between QApplication and QPEApplication again? |
| 23:42:25 | sieve | it.. |
| 23:42:56 | kergoth | Hellaenergy: read up in the qtopia docs.. there are some additions.. and the appearance will be proper for a qtopia application |
| 23:43:22 | Hellaenergy | proper? |
| 23:43:30 | kendrick2 | sieve - yes |
| 23:43:56 | dkl | the wireless config app, where does it write its settings? It doesnt seem to edit wvlan_ng.opts |
| 23:43:56 | kergoth | Hellaenergy: try running a qapplication app through qtopia in the qvfb and you'll see what i mean |
| 23:43:57 | kendrick2 | will need fastolfe's help porting x apps to the z, he thinks |
| 23:44:14 | kergoth | kendrick2: does he have gtk+ on the Z yet/ |
| 23:44:45 | Hellaenergy | I have run it on the z and I don't see any probs B) |
| 23:44:59 | kergoth | uh X on the z is tiny x, not xfree, right? |
| 23:45:12 | Hellaenergy | mmmmmm |
| 23:45:19 | Hellaenergy | gotcha |
| 23:47:44 | Hellaenergy | Peace Out |
| 23:48:04 | sieve | my fingers are having a speach impediment tonight.. *sigh* |
| 23:50:34 | ][N-Flux | some of those early Z apps are pricey |
| 23:51:06 | Neo|Work | like Powerterm? |
| 23:51:11 | sieve | How is the networking end of things on the Z? |
| 23:52:04 | ][N-Flux | sieve: I have wireless working flawlessly here |
| 23:52:17 | Fastolfe | hmmm |
| 23:53:31 | Fastolfe | wonders if he should even bother with handango |
| 23:54:23 | Fastolfe | what's that passworded page anyway ? that's silly |
| 23:55:19 | kendrick2 | fast - what other fonts cna i use in xterm? |
| 23:56:18 | Neo|Work | anyone tried SA beta 2? |
| 23:56:33 | Fastolfe | kendrick2: there is only one font in the x11zaurus package. The idea was to make a very basic package with a server and the minimum necessary apps, then build up on that. I haven't had time to do other pkgs and nobody seems to add to the pool of X apps. |
| 23:57:25 | Neo|Work | ][N-Flux is having some install problems |
| 23:57:44 | kendrick2 | don't worry :) |
| 23:57:58 | kendrick2 | with x at my beckon call, we'll have four games for it within a day or two, hopefully >:^) |
| 23:58:10 | ][N-Flux | scumm get ported yet? |
| 23:58:10 | Fastolfe | heh, that's be nice |
| 23:58:19 | kendrick2 | how can i add more fonts? |
| 23:58:29 | Fastolfe | kendrick2: what the distro really needs is a fonts pkg and a lib pkg |
| 23:58:38 | Neo|Work | Fastolfe: the sharp store which I'm guessing really isn't opened yet |
| 23:58:51 | Fastolfe | kendrick2: you can rip off the ones one your PC, trim them a bit and ipkg them. |
| 23:59:06 | Fastolfe | NeoTron: twas possible to visit the page yesterday |
