| 00:00:00 | Hellaenergy | the trolltech stuff has it though that is what I used to compile my first app :) |
| 00:00:04 | kergoth | thats cool |
| 00:00:10 | Hellaenergy | what package is it in? |
| 00:00:11 | kergoth | whatever works. heh |
| 00:00:16 | kergoth | gcc-cross-sa1100 |
| 00:00:37 | roge99 | Hellaenergy: rpm -q -l -p binutils-cross-arm-2.11.2-0.i386.rpm |
| 00:00:47 | roge99 | will tell you what file are in the rpm |
| 00:00:52 | kergoth | roge99: he's lookign for arm-linux-gcc. he wont find it in that package. hehe. |
| 00:01:22 | Hellaenergy | Thanks again yall |
| 00:01:31 | kergoth | np |
| 00:01:32 | roge99 | yea i wasnt telling him he would find it in there |
| 00:01:40 | kergoth | :-) |
| 00:01:43 | Hellaenergy | knock on wood :) |
| 00:01:44 | roge99 | just how to tell what files are in a rpm |
| 00:03:49 | Hellaenergy | you guys are swell :} have a good night. I'm about to go see The Liks with Living Legends at First Avenue in Minneapolis... Peace |
| 00:04:03 | roge99 | later |
| 00:04:13 | kergoth | have fun Hellaenergy |
| 00:04:19 | Hellaenergy | kergoth: you should check em out their phat |
| 00:04:32 | kergoth | what type of music? |
| 00:04:40 | Hellaenergy | Hip Hop |
| 00:04:52 | kergoth | ah cool |
| 00:05:07 | Hellaenergy | 20 at the door |
| 00:05:11 | kergoth | not bad |
| 00:05:33 | Hellaenergy | I'll be sniffin for ya with my z :) |
| 00:05:41 | kergoth | hah |
| 00:05:57 | Hellaenergy | later |
| 00:08:55 | kergoth | im goin home. ttyl people. |
| 00:37:58 | bipolar | is back (gone 02:43:59) |
| 00:43:58 | kergoth | re |
| 00:52:00 | w00t | anyone had success with wireless internet via cell phone? |
| 00:54:37 | Neo|Work | how does one play mng files? |
| 00:56:14 | Neo|Work | aha, it's the png movie format |
| 01:07:04 | w00t | does anyone know of, or currently use, an ISP that allows cell phones to be used as modems? |
| 01:07:36 | w00t | I was reading up on iStream by VoiceStream, but its only good for Windows CE devices |
| 01:08:23 | w00t | is anyone alive, even? |
| 01:13:48 | scanline | lives |
| 01:21:04 | | jperlow-sharp was last seen on #zaurus 7 hours, 42 minutes and 41 seconds ago, saying: 3 month lead time [Mon Feb 25 17:38:23 2002] |
| 01:21:04 | peanut | ibot seen jperlow-sharp |
| 01:21:09 | ljp | I am.. barely.. alive... |
| 01:21:17 | | I haven't seen 'jason-nj', peanut |
| 01:21:17 | peanut | ibot seen jason-nj |
| 01:21:18 | fusion94 | finishes ljp off |
| 01:21:21 | | jasonnj was last seen on #zaurus 6 days, 21 hours, 57 minutes and 51 seconds ago, saying: whardier: great for birth control too [Tue Feb 19 03:23:30 2002] |
| 01:21:21 | peanut | ibot seen jasonnj |
| 01:21:31 | peanut | whats up ljp? |
| 01:22:05 | ljp | ugghh being locked out of opies cvs cause they moved and my account doesn't seem to authenticate |
| 01:25:01 | ljp | damn its getting cold |
| 01:28:13 | ljp | gezz its quiet here also |
| 01:28:43 | scanline | watches a tumbleweed blow by... a frozen tumbleweed |
| 01:30:03 | ljp | hehehehe |
| 01:30:06 | peanut | whats the official source for usbdnet |
| 01:30:40 | ljp | 's cat likes to know these items off the table 1) sunglasses 2) keys 3) mail |
| 01:30:54 | ljp | s/know/knock |
| 01:31:34 | scanline | boots his 25mhz Macintosh off a zip disk |
| 01:31:36 | ljp | official source ?? |
| 01:31:49 | peanut | source == site |
| 01:32:00 | peanut | but i meant source. |
| 01:32:02 | ljp | ahh.. I dont know |
| 01:32:08 | peanut | is it just jason's link? |
| 01:32:26 | ljp | at ZZ? yes. |
| 01:33:00 | scanline | watches Netscape 2.02 eat his zip drive |
| 01:35:10 | ljp | 2?? |
| 01:36:23 | scanline | yea |
| 01:36:44 | scanline | it's the newest netscape that will run on this old mac |
| 01:36:48 | scanline | i'm trying to install debian |
| 01:37:06 | scanline | but the internal disk had a bunch of bad sectors that would usually crash the installer when i'd turn on swap space |
| 01:37:24 | scanline | so i'm trying to download an old MacOS that will fit on a floppy, boot off that, then install to a zip disk |
| 01:37:25 | ljp | the newest netscape.. thats one mighy old mac! |
| 01:37:39 | scanline | MAc LC 520 |
| 01:37:43 | ljp | and you use that machine for...? |
| 01:37:49 | scanline | i want to use it for IRC |
| 01:37:50 | scanline | :) |
| 01:38:01 | ljp | heh- you irc machine.. |
| 01:38:03 | scanline | and playing MP3s |
| 01:38:26 | scanline | (but not really though, i'd just cross-display the MP3 player onto it and have my fast machine actually playing) |
| 01:39:35 | ljp | hmmm interesting |
| 01:40:20 | scanline | so i figure if i can get Debian on it, it should be easy to have it run PicoGUI |
| 01:41:07 | ljp | hmmm |
| 01:41:23 | scanline | 25mhz 68030 should be fast enough |
| 01:41:47 | ljp | I have a bunch of old pc machines around here.. 286's 386's 486's... gathering dust |
| 01:42:18 | scanline | the 286s could run ELKS and microwindows :) |
| 01:42:37 | Aelfweld | greetings and salutations |
| 01:42:50 | scanline | hello |
| 01:43:12 | Aelfweld | so has anyone had any luck playing mp3s on 1.11? |
| 01:43:27 | scanline | still hasn't tried 1.11 yet |
| 01:43:52 | scanline | i've been playing MP3s fine with OpenZaurus 2.6 though |
| 01:43:57 | Aelfweld | mpg's go fine I have not had much luck with mp3 though. |
| 01:44:19 | Aelfweld | wierd I had trouble on 2.6 same as 1.11 where it always though the files were 0 seconds |
| 01:44:24 | Aelfweld | maybe it is the files I have |
| 01:45:20 | ljp | I have no prob's playing them |
| 01:46:12 | Aelfweld | must be the sucky mp3s I had on my windows box then(came with some preinstalled software). they played ok in xmms but something must be funky in them |
| 01:46:18 | ljp | microwindows? |
| 01:46:27 | Aelfweld | yeah |
| 01:47:06 | | it has been said that microwindows is at http://microwindows.org/ |
| 01:47:06 | ljp | ibot: whats microwindows? |
| 01:47:25 | Aelfweld | hehe I mean ms windows oP |
| 01:49:36 | ljp | oh.. sorry. I was responding to what scanline said before you got here.. |
| 01:50:14 | ljp | I believe there is a problem with some kinds of mp3's on that rom |
| 01:51:35 | ljp | hmmm is it pizza night?? |
| 01:53:57 | ljp | only if the pap johns web server responds. :) |
| 02:04:11 | tux_mike | >< |
| 02:05:57 | peanut | anyone using ppp over irda here? |
| 02:09:39 | tux_mike | newp |
| 02:09:53 | tux_mike | i haven't used ppp in... at least a year. |
| 02:10:43 | whardier | >< |
| 02:10:45 | whardier | ? |
| 02:11:35 | peanut | yawns.. |
| 02:11:47 | peanut | question: best hardware firewall is? |
| 02:12:04 | peanut | knows he can do it with any hardware and *bsd/linux |
| 02:12:13 | peanut | but if i was buying a total solution.. |
| 02:12:17 | peanut | what do you think? |
| 02:12:28 | peanut | whats sonicwall like? how long have they been around |
| 02:24:30 | peanut | yawns.. |
| 02:24:35 | peanut | buys domino r5 |
| 02:28:14 | tux_mike | whardier: >< is an emoticon for being agrivated/angry/frustrated. think closing eyes really hard |
| 02:29:29 | whardier | hurst brain |
| 02:29:32 | whardier | hurts |
| 02:29:32 | whardier | heh |
| 02:30:04 | ljp | is waiting for the pizza delivery guy to not slide off the icy road as he (presumably) zooms his/her way here |
| 02:32:13 | whardier | haha |
| 02:32:41 | whardier | shoot em with a bb gun |
| 02:32:41 | whardier | heh |
| 02:32:48 | whardier | <- punk |
| 02:32:52 | ljp | as he walks up? |
| 02:33:20 | ljp | only if he's late |
| 02:33:21 | whardier | better when he is leaving |
| 02:33:22 | whardier | eh |
| 02:33:28 | ljp | ha! |
| 02:42:59 | whardier | flashes bipolar |
| 02:46:04 | ljp | ahh pizza |
| 02:47:08 | scanline | wants pizza!! |
| 02:47:47 | | ...but pizza is at http://www.papajohns.com/... |
| 02:47:47 | ljp | ibot: pizza is at http:www.papajohns.com |
| 02:47:53 | ljp | heh |
| 02:49:36 | peanut | hehehe |
| 02:50:22 | whardier | *heart* papa johns |
| 02:50:34 | ToyKeeper | When did ibot get here? |
| 02:50:45 | whardier | when somebody invited him |
| 02:50:54 | ljp | its been here a while |
| 02:50:58 | ToyKeeper | hugs ibot |
| 02:50:58 | whardier | HE |
| 02:51:26 | | ljp: sorry... |
| 02:51:26 | ljp | ibot: ToyKeeper hugs you |
| 02:51:34 | whardier | haha |
| 02:51:41 | whardier | ibot is a homewrecker |
| 02:51:50 | | OK, scanline. |
| 02:51:50 | scanline | ibot: ToyKeeper hugs you is <action> hugs ToyKeeper |
| 02:51:58 | peanut | hrmm.. |
| 02:52:00 | ToyKeeper | takes his ipaq upstairs for some wireless mp3's while cooking. |
| 02:52:08 | peanut | guess its time to spend 150 bucks to get tivo downstairs |
| 02:52:15 | peanut | decides against running cable.. |
| 02:52:19 | peanut | too much a pain in the arse |
| 02:52:24 | whardier | ping floods ToyKeeper's ipaq |
| 02:52:27 | ToyKeeper | wireless card really sucks battery life. |
| 02:52:32 | ToyKeeper | That reminds me... |
| 02:52:48 | ljp | can mediaplayer stream mp3's? |
| 02:53:13 | peanut | argh.. |
| 02:53:15 | ToyKeeper | I dunno. I'm using madplay over an NFS mount. |
| 02:53:16 | whardier | wget and pipes |
| 02:53:17 | whardier | :) |
| 02:53:23 | peanut | is still waiting for my hundred dollar tivo rebat |
| 02:53:26 | peanut | rebate |
| 02:53:30 | whardier | rebeating |
| 02:53:31 | ToyKeeper | whardier: What was the power-saving mode in iwconfig? |
| 02:53:38 | scanline | i had some fun playing shoutcast streams with wget and madplay on the Tuxscreen |
| 02:53:41 | whardier | iwconfig eth0power 5 |
| 02:53:48 | whardier | it really does not matter much |
| 02:53:54 | whardier | just turns it off after 5 minutes |
| 02:54:00 | whardier | or 5 seconds .. I forget :) |
| 02:54:06 | ToyKeeper | tries, and loses connection to his ipaq |
| 02:54:07 | whardier | however it saves idletime |
| 02:54:17 | whardier | maybe it does not work :) |
| 02:54:19 | ljp | whardier: and that works? |
| 02:54:26 | whardier | guess not |
| 02:54:28 | whardier | ask t |
| 02:54:29 | whardier | heh |
| 02:54:32 | peanut | also am waiting for my 150 from circuit city for my cable modem.. |
| 02:54:33 | peanut | bastards.. |
| 02:54:44 | peanut | is waiting for hundreds of dollars in rebates |
| 02:54:46 | whardier | peanuts rolls in almostmoney |
| 02:54:46 | peanut | bastars |
| 02:54:51 | whardier | ds |
| 02:55:08 | peanut | argh!! |
| 02:55:11 | ljp | is waiting for hundreds of dollars |
| 02:55:15 | peanut | hates rebates.. |
| 02:55:23 | whardier | tries to find a command line pam authenticator |
| 02:55:30 | whardier | I think I might just use imap |
| 02:55:30 | whardier | heh |
| 02:55:32 | peanut | i figure they purposely screw 3 or 4 out of ten people on purpose! |
| 02:55:39 | peanut | whardier: i have the best one! |
| 02:55:57 | peanut | whatever the kde screen saver proggy is.. |
| 02:56:20 | whardier | heh |
| 02:56:26 | peanut | kcheckpass? |
| 02:56:33 | whardier | really |
| 02:56:46 | whardier | I don't feel like installing kda on the web server |
| 02:56:47 | peanut | yup.. |
| 02:56:50 | peanut | oh.. |
| 02:56:51 | whardier | kde |
| 02:57:06 | peanut | why not build in pam support into the mod_auth? |
| 02:57:13 | peanut | or actually use mod_pam |
| 02:57:17 | peanut | or whatever its called.. |
| 02:57:25 | whardier | apache mod_auth? |
| 02:57:34 | peanut | yes that.. |
| 02:57:39 | peanut | but there is a mod_pam now |
| 02:57:41 | whardier | because I have to do this from the php level |
| 02:57:45 | peanut | ahh.. |
| 02:57:49 | whardier | and I am not trying to break the debian package distro |
| 02:57:55 | peanut | gotcha... |
| 02:58:09 | peanut | i thought there was a php-pam thing |
| 02:58:32 | whardier | this is insentive to move to ldap |
| 02:58:33 | whardier | heh |
| 02:58:41 | whardier | there is.. but it is not a package |
| 02:58:48 | whardier | it does not build dynamically either |
| 02:58:51 | whardier | its static only |
| 02:59:13 | whardier | ldap |
| 02:59:15 | whardier | heh |
| 02:59:20 | peanut | so php_pam doesn't work? |
| 02:59:20 | whardier | I will just use ldap |
| 02:59:29 | whardier | breaks the debian package system |
| 02:59:37 | whardier | I would have to compile it in |
| 02:59:59 | whardier | might as well |
| 03:00:08 | whardier | its not that hard to do |
| 03:00:23 | peanut | smiles.. |
| 03:00:29 | peanut | halfway done downloading domino 6 |
| 03:01:25 | whardier | whazzat |
| 03:01:54 | peanut | ibm/lotus domino 6 mail/calendar server |
| 03:01:57 | peanut | runs on linux |
| 03:10:16 | warmi | Neo|Work: I just played your game on Linux Qtopia emulator and it is very cool |
| 03:14:33 | whardier | spiff |
| 03:19:33 | codemnky | yeehaw |
| 03:19:50 | codemnky | what's new |
| 03:20:27 | codemnky | anyone evey use this -> http://www.motorola.com/MIMS/MSPG/Products/Two-way/V100/ |
| 03:20:30 | tux_mike | wow. this h file is getting big |
| 03:22:36 | whardier | where is fort mammoth prep base in New Jersey |
| 03:23:07 | ljp | uhh New Jersey |
| 03:24:51 | whardier | what city :) |
| 03:25:06 | whardier | I was hoping JasonNJ would be here.. he might knkw |
| 03:25:09 | whardier | err |
| 03:28:53 | ljp | isn't New Jersey just one big city? |
| 03:28:56 | whardier | haha |
| 03:30:46 | ][N-Flux | reflashing is fun |
| 03:30:48 | ][N-Flux | wheee |
| 03:30:50 | ][N-Flux | is back (gone 03:39:48) |
| 03:35:47 | ToyKeeper | doo dee doo -- doodoo diddy doo, dah-do |
| 03:41:42 | whardier | watches bulletproof |
| 03:44:29 | whardier | finds it hard to concentrate.. so he pays attention to the movie |
| 03:46:02 | em1ssnuke | Fastolfe: r u here? |
| 03:48:45 | Fastolfe | yeah |
| 03:50:38 | NeoTron | yo |
| 03:51:24 | tux_mike | Fastolfe: do you know a good resource of learning asm on a 6502 (from scratch). I'm looking into debugging some NES games :) |
| 03:54:02 | Fastolfe | hold on a sec |
| 03:55:55 | Fastolfe | back sorry |
| 03:56:38 | Fastolfe | tux_mike: hmm, I dunno, I learned 6502 with an Apple manual for my AppleII many years ago |
| 03:56:55 | Fastolfe | tux_mike: I spose you probably could find an instruction set somewhere on the net |
| 03:57:34 | Fastolfe | brb |
| 03:58:04 | tux_mike | the thing is, i'm not sure on how ASM works. |
| 04:07:25 | ][N-Flux | xxL: you here? |
| 04:10:14 | Fastolfe | back |
| 04:10:24 | Fastolfe | tux_mike: ah well, that would be a problem :) |
| 04:10:30 | tux_mike | ok... i'm running out of paper... |
| 04:10:36 | tux_mike | i need some more notepads |
| 04:10:57 | Fastolfe | tux_mike: what are you debugging ? |
| 04:11:57 | tux_mike | well, i want to play with memory. i know how to hunt down values to get things like more lives and stuff, but i'd like to play further. :) |
| 04:12:26 | Fastolfe | oh, so you have a binary and you want to disassemble it ? :) |
| 04:12:41 | tux_mike | well, i'd rather step through on the debugger :) |
| 04:12:51 | Fastolfe | well, if you've never done asm, that will be quite a challenge :) |
| 04:12:55 | tux_mike | yah |
| 04:13:21 | tux_mike | i need to know what the operations do and how they relate. |
| 04:13:42 | Fastolfe | the prob with debugging (or disassembling) is that you don't have symbols, and also if it's a game, it probably has anti-tracing code that'll throw your debugger off-track if you don't know how to outsmart it |
| 04:14:01 | tux_mike | hrm... |
| 04:14:09 | Fastolfe | tux_mike: All asms are pretty much the same, apart from RISC machines |
| 04:14:13 | tux_mike | yah |
| 04:14:15 | em1ssnuke | Fastolfe ... sorry wrote e-mail instead ..... |
| 04:14:24 | em1ssnuke | still here? |
| 04:14:35 | Fastolfe | tux_mike: the only things that change are the addressing modes and the instructions |
| 04:14:38 | Fastolfe | em1ssnuke: yeah |
| 04:14:42 | Fastolfe | lemme check |
| 04:14:53 | Fastolfe | no email yet |
| 04:14:54 | tux_mike | and things like numbers and types of registers |
| 04:14:56 | em1ssnuke | What version f the vncviewer am I suppose to usee? |
| 04:15:01 | em1ssnuke | f -> of |
| 04:15:07 | Fastolfe | 0.1.1 |
| 04:15:12 | em1ssnuke | ... mailing list ;) |
| 04:15:15 | Fastolfe | tux_mike: yeah |
| 04:15:22 | Fastolfe | the 6502 is really simple tho |
| 04:15:23 | em1ssnuke | 3.3.3r1? |
| 04:15:31 | tux_mike | that's what i've been seeing. |
| 04:15:34 | Fastolfe | em1ssnuke: ooops sorry |
| 04:15:46 | Fastolfe | em1ssnuke: the one at www.tightvnc.com is good |
| 04:15:59 | em1ssnuke | k .. i'll get it thanks .... |
| 04:15:59 | tux_mike | it has what, 3 types of registers? accumulator, stack pointer and the 2 general purpose ones? |
| 04:16:17 | Fastolfe | tux_mike: yeah, something like that, I don't remember |
| 04:16:22 | Fastolfe | 4 regs I thing |
| 04:16:24 | Fastolfe | not sure |
| 04:16:49 | Fastolfe | do you have something specific that you're trying to do ? |
| 04:16:52 | tux_mike | what do you do when you want to add 2 numbers in ASM? |
| 04:16:57 | tux_mike | learn :) |
| 04:17:01 | Fastolfe | heh |
| 04:17:14 | Fastolfe | if you just want to learn asm, I suggest you start with x86 |
| 04:17:20 | Fastolfe | or 68K |
| 04:17:22 | tux_mike | you really think so? |
| 04:17:42 | Fastolfe | tux_mike: well, the 2 major design thoughts for cisc processors are x86 and 68k |
| 04:17:48 | Fastolfe | once you know that, you know the basics |
| 04:18:01 | tux_mike | well, i have a 68k macintosh, will that work? :) |
| 04:18:16 | Fastolfe | yeah, if you can find an assembler |
| 04:18:18 | tux_mike | which is friendlier? |
| 04:18:38 | Fastolfe | well, the mac has goofiness you're going to run into, related to the memory mapping |
| 04:18:49 | Fastolfe | tux_mike: boot up dos and play, it's really easier |
| 04:18:56 | tux_mike | ok |
| 04:19:12 | Fastolfe | do you have an old PC lying around ? |
| 04:19:18 | tux_mike | i'll prolly load dos on a VM |
| 04:19:22 | em1ssnuke | Fast_: dumb question .... what is the diff between 'Tight' and non-Tight' vnc ... looking for short answer if possible ;) |
| 04:19:27 | Fastolfe | ah yes, that'll work |
| 04:19:45 | tux_mike | FreeDOS should work, i assume. |
| 04:19:54 | Fastolfe | em1ssnuke: tight is just a new compression. My VNC server does tight |
| 04:20:01 | em1ssnuke | k |
| 04:20:02 | Fastolfe | tux_mike: sure |
| 04:20:13 | Fastolfe | tux_mike: does it have debug ? |
| 04:20:19 | tux_mike | i have only 32bit protected operating systems from MS :) (NT, 2k, XP) |
| 04:20:25 | tux_mike | i'd assume so |
| 04:20:33 | tux_mike | i'll have to check |
| 04:21:09 | Fastolfe | tux_mike: the best is if you could find turbo assembler (borland) or even microsoft assembler |
| 04:21:31 | Fastolfe | tux_mike: then you start with a COM program framework and fill in the blanks with your first programs |
| 04:21:40 | tux_mike | hmm... i know my dad has turbo asm, but it's on 5 1/4 disks :) |
| 04:21:42 | Fastolfe | tux_mike: otherwise, debug is fine, but you can't save what you do |
| 04:21:54 | Fastolfe | gee |
| 04:22:13 | Fastolfe | or you can jump in linux asm directly, but it doesn't teach you as much about stacks and things |
| 04:22:30 | tux_mike | that's gonna be hard to manage, because i don't even have a working 3 1/2 drive :) |
| 04:22:35 | Fastolfe | heh |
| 04:22:47 | tux_mike | Fastolfe: any websites or books you can reccomend? |
| 04:23:01 | Fastolfe | you can do your first code in asm with linux and inline asm in a C program |
| 04:23:19 | Fastolfe | tux_mike: book == the PC bible (DOS). Website == www.linuxassembly.org |
| 04:23:23 | scanline | try linuxassembly.org |
| 04:23:39 | ljp | I think borland was giving away an old version of turbo assembler |
| 04:23:58 | tux_mike | well, i don't think i wanna work with linux asm right away. i wanna get down in there |
| 04:24:06 | Fastolfe | tux_mike: then again you can jump into weirdness straightaway and try to understand what my StrongARM code does in the VNC server ;-) |
| 04:24:24 | em1ssnuke | <---- still have old version sof compilers and assemblers ... (pack-rat) |
| 04:24:34 | Fastolfe | tux_mike: I can guide you thru your first asm prg with linux if you want, it's real easy |
| 04:24:35 | tux_mike | um.... i don't think so :) it's prolly so confusing my head'll blow up :) |
| 04:25:01 | em1ssnuke | of borland stuff |
| 04:25:12 | tux_mike | Fastolfe: i shouldn't distract myself from my program right now, i'm actually making some headway :) |
| 04:25:16 | Fastolfe | k |
| 04:25:18 | Fastolfe | :) |
| 04:25:32 | Fastolfe | watches tux running scared ;) |
| 04:26:28 | Fastolfe | I have all the old asms and stuffs around, because I maintain the DRDOS kernel here :) but I can't give it away |
| 04:26:49 | tux_mike | i will work with this, it's just not this second. i have to get this contact add on working |
| 04:27:45 | tux_mike | Fastolfe: i know. you can't give it away due to license restictions |
| 04:27:55 | Fastolfe | yeah :( |
| 04:27:57 | Fastolfe | actually |
| 04:28:18 | Fastolfe | you can make programs with nasm under linux and run them under DOS too :) |
| 04:28:23 | Fastolfe | that's how LILO is compiled |
| 04:29:09 | tux_mike | that may work |
| 04:29:17 | Fastolfe | it's pretty slick actually |
| 04:29:47 | Fastolfe | you can even make your program in raw asm and boot it up directly from a diskette's bootsector. That's terribly easy too |
| 04:29:53 | tux_mike | Fastolfe: i'm not the typical oss zealot who thinks that all software should be free. I actually purchase most of my software :) |
| 04:30:02 | tux_mike | hrm. |
| 04:30:17 | Fastolfe | tux_mike: I don't mind non-free software, the prob is when it's not supported/sold anymore |
| 04:30:23 | tux_mike | like linus's old terminal program |
| 04:30:30 | Fastolfe | tux_mike: yeah, exactly |
| 04:30:30 | em1ssnuke | have a freee 32-bit asmeblers that came free with OS books. |
| 04:30:35 | tux_mike | yah, abandonware should be freed. |
| 04:30:55 | Fastolfe | em1ssnuke: 32 bit intel asm == big nightmare |
| 04:31:25 | em1ssnuke | k |
| 04:31:50 | Fastolfe | tux_mike: the best real-mode x86 asm I've ever used is TASM (borland) and the best debugger is softice. None are sold anymore, so I keep my illegal copies around |
| 04:31:52 | Fastolfe | unfortunately |
| 04:32:10 | em1ssnuke | DASM? |
| 04:32:14 | warmi | softice is not sold anymore ? |
| 04:32:16 | Fastolfe | Turbo asm |
| 04:32:21 | warmi | what happened ? |
| 04:32:28 | Fastolfe | softice is now called winice, and it's windoze only |
| 04:32:39 | Fastolfe | the version I have is softice for DOS and win95 |
| 04:32:42 | em1ssnuke | no, have that one to ... |
| 04:32:46 | tux_mike | in my plans to make linux take over the desktop, i'm gonna have a closed component and alternate licenses for libraries (like TT) |
| 04:33:02 | em1ssnuke | Book 'Developing your onw 32-bit OS' |
| 04:33:04 | Fastolfe | I used it to make the program that proved Win95 is only a GUI on top of dos during the Caldera/MS trial |
| 04:33:17 | em1ssnuke | own |
| 04:33:35 | Fastolfe | lol |
| 04:33:40 | Fastolfe | em1ssnuke: good book that one |
| 04:33:50 | em1ssnuke | :) |
| 04:34:02 | em1ssnuke | is it intel assembler? |
| 04:34:03 | Fastolfe | I'm developing my new CPU core right now. Much much more exciting |
| 04:34:04 | warmi | I wonder how you proved that since Win95 actually is its own operating system faling back on BIOS/DOS only when running in "compatibility" mode |
| 04:34:23 | em1ssnuke | ... wishes .... I had a job that would let me do that ;) |
| 04:34:24 | tux_mike | Fastolfe: what's this one like? |
| 04:35:04 | NeoTron | PicoGUI Z port. :P |
| 04:35:14 | em1ssnuke | hey nasa .. wha's up .... |
| 04:35:17 | Fastolfe | warmi: that was win95. I did a little program that would flash the led on the keyboard every 1000 calls from Win95 to DOS (twas just a TSR). The led was constantly on, twasn't even blinking. That was a convincing demo |
| 04:35:27 | Fastolfe | tux_mike: this one what ? |
| 04:35:51 | tux_mike | cpu core |
| 04:35:53 | ljp | Fastolfe: heh.. thats funny |
| 04:36:37 | tux_mike | Fastolfe: 9x has too much legacy code. |
| 04:36:44 | Fastolfe | tux_mike: it's my 1-instruction CPU, I'm calling it "ultrarisc". It's an asynchronous (clockless) processor and it has only 250 gates. It's promising |
| 04:36:49 | warmi | sure, it was running TSR for it was designed to support DOS as much as possible ... but it was not GUI running on top of DOS the way X runs on Unix ... Windows calls the shots and emulates DOS when neccesaty |
| 04:37:07 | tux_mike | oh, you are woking on that more? |
| 04:38:32 | Fastolfe | warmi: what we proved back then is that MS-DOS 7 had undocumented calls that would tie it to Win95 (i.e. Win95 wouldn't run on DR- or IBM- DOS on purpose). Of course, Win95 has a lot more than DOS can offer, and it's not like X because it's a crap design. But we did get Win95 running on DR-DOS |
| 04:38:52 | Fastolfe | so it's just a GUI :) |
| 04:39:00 | Fastolfe | for the judge it was |
| 04:39:28 | tux_mike | X isn't all that peachy either, fast :) it's starting to show it's age. |
| 04:39:51 | warmi | sure, it was possible to do that but it was not prove that Windows95 runs on DOS , just that MS claim that it won't run with anything else but their own DOS |
| 04:40:06 | Fastolfe | tux_mike: yeah. I've decided to implement my relay computer in an FPGA. It's really fast (for a relay computer), so I reckon it should fly in silicon |
| 04:40:14 | tux_mike | cool |
| 04:40:24 | Fastolfe | warmi: yeah that's the idea |
| 04:40:31 | em1ssnuke | ... with a GUI? |
| 04:40:48 | Fastolfe | em1ssnuke: what's with a GUI ? |
| 04:40:48 | Fastolfe | :) |
| 04:41:03 | em1ssnuke | with your realy computer .... ;) |
| 04:41:10 | warmi | anyway, it was not only GUI since it did multitask preemptively which was rather impossible with DOS |
| 04:41:12 | em1ssnuke | relay |
| 04:41:18 | warmi | but that's ancient history anyway :-) |
| 04:41:23 | Fastolfe | em1ssnuke: errr.. not until you sponsor me and buy me a lot more relays :) |
| 04:41:37 | Fastolfe | warmi: yeah, twas just legal crap |
| 04:41:43 | em1ssnuke | .... have some 120V ... wil that do? |
| 04:41:52 | Fastolfe | 120V ? |
| 04:41:57 | em1ssnuke | 120v relays |
| 04:42:06 | em1ssnuke | will switch 120 sources |
| 04:42:12 | tux_mike | Fastolfe: i think we'll have to get away from X, and provide a compatablity library. X really shows it's age in performance issues. Plus I think that the kernel should start taking video functions in modules (fbdev) |
| 04:42:15 | Fastolfe | I need normally open 5V 1A relays |
| 04:42:34 | em1ssnuke | .... :) |
| 04:42:39 | Com[plex] | whats the linux console command to see what aprtitions are connected? |
| 04:42:52 | Fastolfe | tux_mike: X is a turd as is. It's okay when you use the latest DGA extensions and stuffs, but yeah, it's crufty |
| 04:43:00 | ][N-Flux | Com[plex]: df |
| 04:43:03 | Fastolfe | Com[plex]: mount :) |
| 04:43:20 | Com[plex] | what about drives that havent been mounted |
| 04:43:20 | tux_mike | doing things like DGA is just making it more convoluted and bloated. |
| 04:43:31 | Fastolfe | tux_mike: absolutely |
| 04:43:31 | Com[plex] | drives connected, but havent been mlunted right yet? |
| 04:43:40 | em1ssnuke | cat /etc/fstab |
| 04:43:40 | warmi | more /etc/fstab |
| 04:43:45 | em1ssnuke | :) |
| 04:44:09 | tux_mike | Fastolfe: well, that's what part of my plan is. get rid of X and make a new window server. :) |
| 04:44:11 | Fastolfe | tux_mike: the 2 reasons why I like X are (1) it's super-proven and super-stable (2) it's not qtopia. If someones shows me something better, I'm all for it tho |
| 04:44:12 | warmi | see .. there are 1001 ways to do stuff in Unix which sometimes is truly annoying |
| 04:44:16 | tux_mike | has a grand plan. |
| 04:44:23 | Fastolfe | tux_mike: haven't seen anything better yet |
| 04:44:29 | tux_mike | Fastolfe: i agree to that. |
| 04:45:02 | Fastolfe | tux_mike: kind of like my Charger : it's a pile of crap, but it's the only car I ever had that's 30 years old and pulls 13 secs on the strip :) |
| 04:45:08 | warmi | Fast: as far as local dekstop Win32 wins hands down .. at least with all known to implementation of X ( Xfree, AcceleratedX and Sun X server) |
| 04:45:18 | em1ssnuke | I like that ability of different windoe managers ... CDE KDE Gnome .... |
| 04:45:24 | em1ssnuke | window |
| 04:45:49 | tux_mike | heh, yah :) |
| 04:45:51 | Fastolfe | warmi: Win32 API == total chaos == unmaintainable. It's only good from a user's standpoint |
| 04:46:12 | em1ssnuke | Mac is still better for those type of people .... |
| 04:46:30 | scanline | sends a subliminal message... picogui... |
| 04:46:30 | tux_mike | Fastolfe: my idea is to implement a MacOS/X like thing for linux |
| 04:46:37 | Fastolfe | actually, I liked IBM's OS/2 GUI design a lot. Before MS fucked it up that is |
| 04:46:40 | NeoTron | If I could afford it'd I'd buy one of those new imacs |
| 04:47:03 | em1ssnuke | ;) OSwho ... just joking ..... |
| 04:47:04 | Fastolfe | tux_mike: grab an imac, zap BSD and replace it with Linux. Voila :)) |
| 04:47:23 | tux_mike | but that's only on PPC |
| 04:47:28 | Fastolfe | tux_mike: no |
| 04:47:38 | tux_mike | ? |
| 04:47:42 | tgall | tux_mike: well right now ... MacOS X is really NextSTEP v6 |
| 04:47:50 | Fastolfe | tux_mike: I think Apple is coming up with a x86 version soojn |
| 04:47:52 | Fastolfe | soon |
| 04:48:05 | tgall | and NeXTSTEP ran on Sparc, PA Risc, PPC, and intel amoung others |
| 04:48:29 | Fastolfe | of course it's nextstep, Job loved his next stuff :) |
| 04:48:32 | tux_mike | i still want something to call mine :) but i like the way OS/X performs. |
| 04:49:06 | tux_mike | what are the open components of OS/X? |
| 04:49:18 | Fastolfe | tux_mike: create your gui in ascii-art, then it'll really be yours only :) |
| 04:49:42 | tux_mike | ... no. :) i like purdy graphics :) |
| 04:49:45 | warmi | tux_mike: it is hell to do stuff like that .... you might want to use XFree drivers just hack Xlib part and create your own interface |
| 04:49:47 | em1ssnuke | <--- still has a copy of BOSS Windows ..... ;) |
| 04:50:27 | scanline | be a real man, write your own video drivers :) |
| 04:50:34 | scanline | actually, i bet DirectFB would work nicely |
| 04:50:39 | tux_mike | yah, it would. |
| 04:50:48 | Fastolfe | Qt really isn't bad at all tho, running on something other than X. Too bad it's trolltech and that one of these days their gpl/qpl idiocy is going to bite them in the ass |
| 04:50:52 | warmi | scanline: not really, they don't support many cards |
| 04:50:57 | tux_mike | i think that linux should migrate to fbdev or directfb |
| 04:51:08 | scanline | warmi: better than starting from scratch |
| 04:51:10 | Fastolfe | tux_mike: are you kidding ? ggi baby |
| 04:51:42 | tux_mike | Fastolfe: i'd like to put the video drivers into kernelspace. |
| 04:51:47 | warmi | that's why I said,, use driver primitives (drawing lines, blits etc ) from Xfree just hack your own API on top of the driver itself |
| 04:52:11 | tux_mike | Fastolfe: what does ggi run on? |
| 04:52:22 | scanline | How about we port picogui into kernelspace ;) |
| 04:52:40 | tux_mike | heh, interesting proposal :) |
| 04:52:46 | Fastolfe | anything, that's the beauty, you can redirect its display source. So, fbdev, X, ascii-art even, :) |
| 04:53:06 | tux_mike | Fastolfe: isn't that like SDL? |
| 04:53:21 | Fastolfe | tux_mike: kind of |
| 04:53:22 | warmi | that sounds just like scanline picogui ... |
| 04:53:26 | warmi | heh |
| 04:53:53 | tux_mike | Fastolfe: what advantages over SDL does ggi have? |
| 04:53:54 | Fastolfe | well, picogui is a gui AFAIK, ggi is really a virtualized super-framebuffer of sorts |
| 04:54:23 | em1ssnuke | what is the mem size diff between the 2? |
| 04:54:35 | em1ssnuke | speed? |
| 04:54:37 | Fastolfe | tux_mike: ggi is rather well designed, what I've seen of it anyway. I don't know how sdl looks like. |
| 04:55:09 | tux_mike | well, i'm used to SDL. it's pretty good from what i'v seen. but i wouldn't build a GUI on it |
| 04:55:11 | Fastolfe | em1ssnuke: dunno, I haven't actually tried it |
| 04:56:16 | Fastolfe | For me, X does the job fine : I can spawn xterms on it and type things on the command line without using "screen". Anything else is accessory to me |
| 04:56:17 | Fastolfe | :) |
| 04:56:40 | warmi | frankly Qt is pretty much the best out there ..... all you have to do is port some Qt primitieves to GGI or whatever and you are set .... |
| 04:56:45 | em1ssnuke | seeya'll later |
| 04:56:48 | tux_mike | ok, i've gotta go to bed. i have to be up in less than 7 hours. |
| 04:56:53 | warmi | hehe .. just like my coworker .... 8 xterms and that is all he needs |
| 04:56:56 | Fastolfe | seeya |
| 04:57:05 | tux_mike | night. |
| 04:57:16 | scanline | SDL's really designed for games, not GUIs |
| 04:57:27 | tux_mike | yah, that's what i was thinking |
| 04:57:30 | scanline | it's great at bitblits, but doesn't have any of the primitives you'd want for a GUI |
| 04:57:35 | Fastolfe | Qt is the best thing out there as far as GUI design is concerned. It's just that (1) it's bloated slow C++ crap and (2) it's TT's |
| 04:57:41 | MEGASTeP | is away: I'm away, dammit |
| 04:58:12 | scanline | I haven't used GGI yet, but from what i've seen X has the most comprehensive set of primitives out there |
| 04:58:26 | warmi | it is not that slow , at least not slower than MFC which is currently the API for GUI development |
| 04:58:45 | Fastolfe | scanline: I think the main gripe against X out there is that it's a networked stateless GUI design. == slow and complicated |
| 04:58:53 | tux_mike | well, once I have my list of ideas for this new gui framework, i'll come back to you guys and talk more about it :) |
| 04:59:15 | Fastolfe | tux_mike: after you learn 6502 to implement it in, right ? :) |
| 04:59:25 | tux_mike | of course. |
| 04:59:30 | Fastolfe | ah there, goody :) |
| 04:59:34 | scanline | Fastolfe: well, it would be better if the network code was abstracted some more so that clients could connect via the network if needed, or via shared libraries or something on a local system |
| 04:59:36 | tux_mike | implement it on a apple IIe :) |
| 04:59:49 | Fastolfe | scanline: yeah |
| 04:59:56 | Fastolfe | tux_mike: good idea ! |
| 04:59:57 | scanline | Fastolfe: and it would also be better if the communication between client and server were at a much higher level |
| 05:00:32 | Fastolfe | scanline: what higher level ? X is a windowing system, what else do you want to do ? |
| 05:00:44 | scanline | Fastolfe: put the widgets on the server side :) |
| 05:01:38 | Fastolfe | scanline: hmm, yeah, basically make it non-stateless. The additional server-side tasks then come naturally |
| 05:01:47 | Fastolfe | scanline: == complete redesign :) |
| 05:02:04 | scanline | Fastolfe: i've just done a pretty good description of picogui's architecture :) |
| 05:02:19 | Fastolfe | lol |
| 05:02:21 | Fastolfe | hmm |
| 05:02:22 | scanline | only problem is picogui really isn't designed for desktop machines |
| 05:02:24 | Fastolfe | is sold |
| 05:03:02 | Fastolfe | ok, then get cracking on megagui then :) |
| 05:03:08 | scanline | hehe |
| 05:03:34 | Fastolfe | I say command line is your friend |
| 05:03:39 | scanline | nah, just use picogui's widget, themeing, and layout code, and use X or something as a more powerful graphics backend |
| 05:04:00 | scanline | we'll have support for that soon :) |
| 05:04:05 | Fastolfe | hmm |
| 05:04:26 | scanline | soon == whenever i finish the 235,262,162,622 other items on my todo list |
| 05:04:35 | scanline | :) |
| 05:05:02 | whardier | heh |
| 05:05:04 | whardier | night |
| 05:13:09 | ][N-Flux | hrmmmm |
| 05:13:15 | ][N-Flux | I should sell my ps2 |
| 05:16:14 | ljp | can anybody tell me what the commandline is to send a QCop message? |
| 05:32:37 | Com[plex] | http://doc.trolltech.com/3.0/qcopchannel.html |
| 05:33:26 | Com[plex] | probably not any help.. but, |
| 05:33:27 | ][N-Flux | is there a shockwave player in the works for the Z? |
| 05:35:46 | Com[plex] | I doubt it |
| 05:38:36 | ][N-Flux | shockwave would be good |
| 06:19:17 | ][N-Flux | AMIGEN mailinglist: |
| 06:19:17 | ][N-Flux | "Yes, Microsoft has asked us to demo DE and some of the developer applications running on various devices in their booth. |
| 06:26:24 | NeoTron | that's scary |
| 08:10:00 | fusion94 | is away: bbiab... |
| 08:16:45 | Kand-ALF | moin |
| 08:17:07 | kendrick2 | heya |
| 08:21:39 | Kand-ALF | is AWAY at 09:23:49 : Not behind the keyboard |
| 09:52:28 | scanline | is away: ZzZzZzZzzzzzzzzzZzzzz |
| 10:09:04 | gillus | hi all |
| 12:46:22 | fusion94 | is away: smoke break |
| 13:15:14 | ][N-Flux | is away: I'm busy |
| 13:15:17 | ][N-Flux | is back (gone 00:00:03) |
| 13:15:29 | ][N-Flux | is away: Work work work, and some more work |
| 13:58:38 | Guest | has anyone used the framebuffer app |
| 15:16:26 | whardier | nasty breath |
| 15:16:47 | whardier | the framebuffer app? |
| 15:28:44 | whardier | hugs kergoth |
| 15:29:28 | kergoth | heh. |
| 15:29:34 | kergoth | get the hell off of me man |
| 15:29:35 | kergoth | mornin |
| 15:30:04 | kergoth | god i hate mornings |
| 15:30:07 | kergoth | couldnt fucking wake up |
| 15:33:00 | whardier | doh |
| 15:33:02 | whardier | sorry dewd |
| 15:33:09 | whardier | I have cats |
| 15:33:12 | whardier | they roll me around |
| 15:33:14 | whardier | lick my face |
| 15:33:16 | whardier | piss me off |
| 15:33:18 | whardier | but they get me up |
| 15:33:20 | whardier | err |
| 15:33:22 | whardier | not in that sense |
| 15:33:25 | kergoth | hah |
| 15:33:40 | kergoth | i think i need to buy a third alarm clock |
| 15:33:56 | kergoth | or get my computer to blast some mp3s or something |
| 15:34:22 | whardier | I had my Zaurus do that |
| 15:34:31 | ljp | hey I over slept too.. and I'm late for work... |
| 15:34:37 | whardier | Ihave somegreat music for it as well :) |
| 15:34:44 | kergoth | ljp: so what are you doing on irc? :-P |
| 15:34:46 | whardier | the TriGun intro SONG! |
| 15:36:42 | ljp | checking my mail and such |
| 15:36:45 | ljp | hehehhehehe |
| 15:36:53 | ljp | I'm the boss.. :) |
| 15:37:14 | kergoth | lucky bastard. :-) |
| 15:37:15 | whardier | haha |
| 15:37:29 | whardier | checking your mail at the mail place that you are boss of? |
| 15:37:48 | ljp | I'm scp'ing stuf to my laptop.. so I can continue developing stuff there, too |
| 15:38:08 | ljp | hehe.. no.. checking my email at my recording studio home |
| 15:39:27 | whardier | you know what I need to do |
| 15:39:32 | whardier | we have a studio at work |
| 15:39:35 | whardier | and a sound box |
| 15:39:39 | whardier | I should really get in there |
| 15:39:41 | ljp | get a girlfriend? |
| 15:39:45 | whardier | and SING MY FUCKING HEART OUT! |
| 15:39:51 | whardier | just to see if I can |
| 15:39:52 | whardier | hehe |
| 15:39:55 | whardier | and that |
| 15:39:56 | whardier | get a GF |
| 15:40:02 | whardier | how was the pizza! |
| 15:40:10 | whardier | we got Pizza Hut instead of Papa Johns |
| 15:40:21 | ljp | damn.. it helps to plug in the pc card |
| 15:40:28 | ljp | hmm pizza good |
| 15:40:50 | whardier | ever eat at beujos? |
| 15:40:58 | ljp | now I have to run.. bbl |
| 15:41:00 | whardier | hah |
| 15:41:08 | whardier | </conversation> |
| 15:41:14 | whardier | woot |
| 15:41:20 | ljp | I used to work at beau jos for 3 years in Idaho Springs |
| 15:41:24 | whardier | 206.196.148.79 and .80 are now opennic compliant! |
| 15:41:46 | whardier | ljp: we usually got a huge garlic prairie pie with 4 white cheeses on top |
| 15:41:53 | whardier | man we stank afterwards |
| 15:55:09 | mandrake | hrmm |
| 15:57:03 | whardier | my cat likes to shake paws |
| 15:57:16 | whardier | found a mandrake blue pingizauru |
| 15:59:38 | whardier | heh |
| 15:59:42 | whardier | fromat |
| 16:01:39 | ljp_DamnWindowsBoxAKK | is that a new linux command? |
| 16:02:22 | whardier | JOINING NUDIST COLONY! MUST SELL WASHER & DRYER $300. |
| 16:03:01 | whardier | I always used to like making speech synthisizerssay do wa ditty ditty dum ditty doo |
| 16:05:25 | ljp_ | hmm.. I hate modems and isp's.. |
| 16:08:07 | whardier | ljp use jymis.com |
| 16:08:13 | whardier | they have megapop numbers |
| 16:08:20 | whardier | in longmont there are a few |
| 16:08:26 | whardier | and they are fucking stable as all sin |
| 16:08:40 | ljp_ | I'll look into it |
| 16:08:57 | ljp_ | wish I could afford dsl here at work.. |
| 16:10:04 | whardier | I used to work for jymis.com |
| 16:10:07 | whardier | they is good people |
| 16:10:13 | whardier | ljp what do youhave at home? |
| 16:15:27 | mandrake | so I found a bug in QMultiLineEdit on the zaurus under 1.11 |
| 16:15:29 | mandrake | yay |
| 16:15:44 | mandrake | doesn't happen under qvfb |
| 16:16:30 | mandrake | just sent mail to zaurus-qtopia mailing list |
| 16:17:57 | ljp_ | criminy |
| 16:18:02 | ljp_ | I should go back to bed |
| 16:18:07 | mandrake | is herr perlow here? |
| 16:18:20 | mandrake | I'm gonna try to see if this bug exists on the ipaq too |
| 16:20:47 | ljp_ | which bug is that? |
| 16:29:53 | whardier | http://sites.inka.de/sites/bigred/devel/cipe.html |
| 16:29:55 | whardier | spiff |
| 16:29:59 | whardier | is gonna run ppp over ssh |
| 16:30:42 | kergoth | ppp over ssh is laggy, but works |
| 16:31:21 | ljp_work | what are you some kind of hacker? |
| 16:33:35 | BZFlag | apt-get install secvpn ;-) |
| 16:34:21 | whardier | BZFlag the idea is to use ssh to go thru an http proxy |
| 16:34:29 | whardier | we are trying to put a huge hole in HP's firewall :) |
| 16:34:42 | whardier | well then |
| 16:35:03 | ljp_work | can anybody tell me the commanldline to run a qpe qcop message? |
| 16:35:21 | whardier | can secvpn go thru ssh? |
| 16:39:55 | kergoth | whardier: dunno |
| 16:40:13 | kergoth | ljp_work: ex. $QPEDIR/bin/qcop QPE/TaskBar "reloadApplets()"; |
| 16:40:44 | ljp_work | ahh that's it.. thank you |
| 16:40:50 | kergoth | np |
| 16:41:19 | kergoth | ljp_work: (cd $OPIEDIR; grep -r 'bin/qcop' *;) |
| 16:41:20 | kergoth | hehe |
| 16:44:27 | ljp_ | crap.. damn modem/isp |
| 16:45:46 | kergoth | ljp_: you should script your client. automatically mutter 'crap. damn modem/isp.' to all autojoined channels on server connect. :-P |
| 16:46:11 | ljp_ | argggggg |
| 16:46:34 | ljp_ | I swear.. |
| 16:47:17 | ljp_ | I don't know if its a call coming in bumping me.. I think my isp is having probs today.. too many busy signals, or just empty tones.. |
| 16:48:22 | ljp_ | anyway.. I was going to say.. I am adding the -e switch to embeddedkonsole |
| 16:48:46 | kergoth | ah, thatd be useful |
| 16:48:57 | ljp_ | and trying to figure out a way to poopup a new session when embeddedkonsole is opened, instead of popping up a new instance |
| 16:49:22 | ljp_ | when someone calls embeddedkonsole again |
| 16:49:38 | kergoth | hmmm |
| 16:50:08 | ljp_ | and I was thinking of using setDocument gizmo that QCop uses |
| 17:05:49 | collord | question: is the zaurus/jvm going to ship with a jini implementation? |
| 17:05:50 | mandrake | ljp_: the bug is the one I just sent to zaurus-qtopia |
| 17:08:34 | scanline | is back (gone 07:16:06) |
| 17:09:15 | collord | or generally is there plans for any service discovery implementations on zaurus? |
| 17:09:20 | ljp_ | I think the zaurus ships with jeode java.. if that's what your looking for. I'm not a java developer.. so I don't really know the difference |
| 17:10:05 | collord | are people writing any java/qt apps or just native qt apps? |
| 17:10:10 | collord | ljp_: thanks |
| 17:10:35 | ljp_ | there are people writing java app, yes |
| 17:11:15 | ljp_ | there's a jopurnal keeping one available. and I think a casino game is java |
| 17:11:22 | ljp_ | journal |
| 17:11:46 | collord | which mailing list/etc would be good for java-specific zaurus info? |
| 17:13:07 | kergoth | collord: zaurus-java@lists.sourceforge.net? |
| 17:13:29 | collord | ah thanks |
| 17:47:45 | warmi | Neo|Work:Work: are you there ? |
| 17:49:11 | Neo|Work | is away: I'm busy |
| 17:49:19 | Neo|Work | is back (gone 00:00:01) |
| 17:49:34 | Neo|Work | am now |
| 17:49:46 | warmi | I tried your game on my P200 and it works fine |
| 17:49:53 | warmi | one thing .. |
| 17:50:18 | warmi | you are catching OnMouseMove event to highlight chekboard ... |
| 17:50:22 | Neo|Work | yes |
| 17:50:30 | Neo|Work | but it's not required for functionalitty |
| 17:50:44 | warmi | it won't work on Zaurus ... you might as well take it out :-) |
| 17:50:52 | warmi | yeah, I know |
| 17:50:56 | Neo|Work | actually, the highlight is always there (when focused) because you can move it using the keyboard |
| 17:51:09 | Neo|Work | or on the Z, the d-pad |
| 17:51:17 | warmi | overall very cool game, profesionally done |
| 17:51:31 | Neo|Work | I still handle mouse motion events when the "button" is pressed on the Z |
| 17:51:34 | Neo|Work | thanks. :) |
| 17:51:57 | Neo|Work | btw, I did some sound attempts again and it kinda works but I'm almost sure there's an issue with the drivers for my sb live |
| 17:52:03 | warmi | one thing is missing is some cool sound |
| 17:52:06 | Neo|Work | using playwave or play (i.e sox) fails |
| 17:52:17 | Neo|Work | as well |
| 17:52:28 | Neo|Work | but xmms can play mp3s (but again, fails on the waves) |
| 17:52:36 | warmi | on my two linux boxes with differend sounds cards Qtopia somtimes hangs when trying to open /dev/dsp |
| 17:52:56 | warmi | i straced what was happening and it seems like there is some sort of bug in Qtopia |
| 17:53:25 | warmi | does it fail completely or just hangs ? |
| 17:54:13 | warmi | btw... there is a still bug in Qtopia affecting wav files smaller than 3-4 kbs |
| 17:54:29 | warmi | warwick said they fixed it but it doesn't work for me |
| 17:54:47 | Neo|Work | it fails in that sounds are garbled. sometimes plays fine but.. |
| 17:55:14 | whardier | kergoth do you have a current ssh-ppp setup somewherE? |
| 17:55:29 | kergoth | whardier: not using cipe, but yeah |
| 17:55:40 | Neo|Work | sometimes they play but the pitch is wavy.. |
| 17:55:49 | Neo|Work | flaky in general. /me wishes for SDL sound support :-) |
| 17:55:57 | Neo|Work | too bad it's so dependent on SDL |
| 17:55:58 | warmi | you don't have Win on the same box to check if it is not hardware ? |
| 17:56:31 | whardier | kergoth :( |
| 17:56:32 | whardier | help |
| 17:56:36 | Neo|Work | Well, thing is it works fine when playing mp3's, games etc |
| 17:56:38 | kergoth | ? |
| 17:56:38 | whardier | what script are you using |
| 17:56:41 | whardier | ssh-ppp ? |
| 17:56:46 | Neo|Work | and I have the same problem at work where I also have an SB Live |
| 17:56:50 | kergoth | no script |
| 17:56:58 | whardier | well fill me in dewd |
| 17:57:02 | kergoth | its one fucking command. pppd |
| 17:57:16 | whardier | one big fucking command |
| 17:57:19 | whardier | how are you doing it |
| 17:57:21 | kergoth | brb, ill get ya the syntax |
| 17:57:26 | whardier | oh danke |
| 17:57:37 | warmi | NeoWork: sounds like driver issue , can't help you there |
| 17:58:00 | Neo|Work | right |
| 17:58:04 | whardier | god I am so helpless |
| 17:58:11 | warmi | I have SB Live and it works fine but there are so many different SB Live versions + Linux kernel version that it could be anything |
| 17:58:15 | Neo|Work | that's my guess. perhaps frequency related |
| 17:58:25 | whardier | kergoth: how did stuff start working.. like iptables/gpg all that seems to actually work in the jffs2 image now |
| 17:58:25 | Neo|Work | right |
| 17:59:02 | warmi | my wife liked your game .. when I get Zaurus she said she will actually buy it |
| 17:59:22 | Neo|Work | cool. :) |
| 17:59:31 | warmi | ok .... I got to do some work ... see you later |
| 17:59:36 | mandrake | okay |
| 17:59:40 | mandrake | the bug is not what I thought it was. |
| 17:59:55 | mandrake | apparently it's with FileManager |
| 17:59:57 | mandrake | ugh. |
| 18:00:04 | mandrake | loadFile() is broken broken broken |
| 18:00:33 | Neo|Work | how does it break? |
| 18:00:47 | mandrake | anything non 7bit ascii it stops loading at. |
| 18:04:01 | Neo|Work | eeek. |
| 18:04:22 | Neo|Work | not even 8-bit? That's pretty bad. Especially since it's supposed to be unicode etc |
| 18:04:23 | mandrake | yes, evil. |
| 18:05:01 | mandrake | I was trying to read LoTR with my reader |
| 18:05:23 | mandrake | and it stopps at Sméagol |
| 18:05:33 | kergoth | whardier: cd /etc/ppp/peers/; cat home; |
| 18:05:35 | kergoth | whardier: debug name aridhol user kergoth noauth 192.168.10.2:192.168.10.1 pty 'ssh -l kergoth aridhol.digitalnemesis.net \'/usr/sbin/pppd notty debug noauth 192.168.10.1:192.168.10.2\'' |
| 18:05:40 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:06:04 | whardier | all with ppp in front of it! |
| 18:06:07 | whardier | pppd |
| 18:06:07 | whardier | heh |
| 18:06:11 | Neo|Work | mandrake: it might be trying to load it as UTF-8? |
| 18:06:12 | kergoth | or put it in a peers file |
| 18:06:17 | whardier | oh yeah |
| 18:06:20 | kergoth | then pppd call [peersfile]; |
| 18:06:23 | whardier | that way I can pppup |
| 18:06:25 | whardier | err pon |
| 18:06:25 | kergoth | yeah. so from this box, i pppd call home; |
| 18:06:26 | whardier | and poff |
| 18:06:26 | whardier | heh |
| 18:06:27 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:06:33 | whardier | loves to poff |
| 18:06:36 | Neo|Work | mandrake: try to convert it and see if that works |
| 18:06:47 | mandrake | Neo|Work: when I load it by hand it works fine. |
| 18:06:58 | mandrake | Neo|Work: (not using FileManager, just using fread) |
| 18:07:30 | Neo|Work | right. FileManager::loadFile sets the encoding to UTF8 |
| 18:08:06 | Neo|Work | and uses QTextStream for the loading |
| 18:08:40 | Neo|Work | try using FileManager::loadFile(DocLnk,QByteStream) => seems like it loads the data w/o modifying it |
| 18:08:51 | mandrake | one moment |
| 18:09:19 | kergoth | whardier: doing ppp over ssh got easier when they added the 'pty' option to pppd. needed scripts to set it up before |
| 18:09:51 | mandrake | Neo|Work: but I need it in a QString... |
| 18:10:26 | mandrake | actually no |
| 18:10:29 | mandrake | I just need a char * |
| 18:10:37 | Neo|Work | should be able to construct a QString from a QByteArray (not QByteStream btw) |
| 18:10:39 | mandrake | because I don't really use the QString for anything useful |
| 18:10:52 | mandrake | (because QStrings are evil) |
| 18:11:14 | Neo|Work | they seems to have some evilness to them for sure |
| 18:17:10 | mandrake | Neo|Work: that seems to work okay. |
| 18:17:38 | Neo|Work | good. :) |
| 18:17:59 | Neo|Work | your app handles non-ascii characters btw? |
| 18:22:54 | scanline | is away: food and lab |
| 18:24:22 | mandrake | yes. |
| 18:24:26 | mandrake | well |
| 18:24:27 | mandrake | kinda |
| 18:24:30 | mandrake | only 8bit ascii |
| 18:24:37 | mandrake | because that's what our synthesizer handles |
| 18:26:07 | mandrake | Neo|Work: I take it you are David Hedbor ? |
| 18:26:43 | Neo|Work | yeah |
| 18:27:56 | mandrake | that is what I figured. |
| 18:28:18 | whardier | how would I make an overwriting route |
| 18:28:21 | whardier | heh |
| 18:29:33 | whardier | oh wow |
| 18:43:27 | MEGASTeP | is back (gone 13:45:46) |
| 18:53:23 | whardier | lunch |
| 18:53:54 | Neo|Work | hmm. drink. |
| 18:55:02 | fusion94 | Neo|Work: yeah it's about time to start drinking |
| 18:58:46 | Neo|Work | hehe |
| 18:58:55 | Neo|Work | got a diet pepsi |
| 18:58:57 | Neo|Work | I'm soooo bold |
| 18:59:02 | fusion94 | heh |
| 18:59:10 | fusion94 | i'm about to go pour a guinness i think |
| 19:03:25 | ljp_ | heh- you mean spoon a guinness out of the bottle! |
| 19:03:41 | ljp_ | cuase its so thick |
| 19:04:03 | fusion94 | um...yeah....guinness is mother's milk...it doesn't matter how you get it out of the container.. |
| 19:11:25 | mandrake | actually to get the best head you're supposed to dump it straight in and then lift it as the head approaches the can (if you use the cool cans that have the injection) |
| 19:11:32 | mandrake | that's how I pour boddingtons |
| 20:02:25 | Com[plex] | anyone here familiar with wine? <the app> |
| 20:16:53 | kergoth | hey BZFlag |
| 20:20:53 | Twiun | Woohoo, home at last ;-) |
| 20:21:31 | Twiun | Here's a productive day at work: 8 hours to fix a simple visual bug - the fix? removing 5 lines of legacy code |
| 20:21:43 | kergoth | aha |
| 20:21:45 | kergoth | i hate those |
| 20:22:32 | Cam | hi ppl, if I had a .ipk would someone be able to test it for me?? |
| 20:23:06 | Twiun | Sure |
| 20:23:23 | Twiun | highly explosive? *grin* |
| 20:23:37 | scanline | is back (gone 02:00:42) |
| 20:24:04 | Cam | cool, I've got a few days to build one ;-) Hopefully not a controversial app (ie. not explosive) |
| 20:24:28 | kergoth | already i need more than 24 hours in a day damnit. |
| 20:24:37 | kergoth | s/already/alrighty/ |
| 20:24:38 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:24:46 | Twiun | Hehe, I don't mind flashing the rom if needed... any particular rom version you wanted it tested on? |
| 20:25:02 | tux_mike | kergoth: they are trying to develop a pill that eliminates all need for sleep |
| 20:25:10 | kergoth | woot. |
| 20:25:14 | Twiun | tux_mike: any eta? |
| 20:25:14 | kergoth | heheh. |
| 20:25:18 | Cam | Twiun: I have _no_idea, just leave your regular rom in place I suppose |
| 20:25:22 | tux_mike | i'd take that pill for 6 days a week :) |
| 20:25:28 | kergoth | no kidding.. |
| 20:25:34 | BZFlag | the engineers working on it fell asleep. |
| 20:25:35 | tux_mike | Twiun: no clue, saw it on a blurb on the news |
| 20:25:36 | kergoth | i could actually get stuff done |
| 20:25:37 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:25:42 | Twiun | Aye, me too |
| 20:25:58 | tux_mike | kergoth: yah |
| 20:26:00 | Twiun | I could finally keep sociable US hours too ;-) |
| 20:26:15 | Cam | I heard of someone who got a brain injury in a motorbike accident - and was unable to sleep for more than a couple of hours a day.,. weird |
| 20:26:23 | kergoth | Cam: thats so odd |
| 20:26:29 | Cam | otherwise, he made a great s/w contractor |
| 20:27:08 | Twiun | Hehehe |
| 20:27:28 | Cam | he was 'as normal as any of us' |
| 20:27:29 | Twiun | I'd rather get a drug for it... motorbike accidents tend to hurt |
| 20:27:42 | Twiun | but it's a thought |
| 20:27:56 | Cam | :) |
| 20:27:57 | kergoth | i think ill wait |
| 20:30:02 | tux_mike | but i can work 8 hours as a consultant, 8 hors as a telecommuting programmer, and *still* have 8 hours left for my own programs :) |
| 20:30:30 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:31:00 | kergoth | nono.. its 8 hours consulting/telecommute programming, 8 hours own programs, 8 hours partying/fun/girlfriend/exercise/etc |
| 20:31:10 | kergoth | :-) |
| 20:31:55 | Twiun | We still won't have enough hours in our day ;-) |
| 20:32:01 | kergoth | yep |
| 20:32:12 | kergoth | we need 36 hours a day, AND no sleep |
| 20:32:16 | tux_mike | exercise?! fsck that! girlfriend... still trying... fun == programming (big geek am I :) partying is for friday to saturday :) |
| 20:32:29 | kergoth | hah |
| 20:33:14 | kergoth | if i could, id be exercising 3 hours a day |
| 20:33:20 | kergoth | no time tho |
| 20:35:37 | tux_mike | i dont have the time or the will. if i had 3 free hours, i'd spend it programming or otherwise messing up my computers |
| 20:35:47 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:35:51 | kergoth | cool cool |
| 20:36:14 | kergoth | damnit |
| 20:36:23 | kergoth | the work i get paid to do keeps interrupting my own projects |
| 20:36:25 | kergoth | how annoying |
| 20:36:34 | tux_mike | at least i think i found a way to sleep less |
| 20:41:36 | kikco | what day does the sl-5000 come out? |
| 20:41:59 | mark_ | its out |
| 20:42:05 | tux_mike | 5000 is out |
| 20:42:06 | mark_ | you mean the sl-5500? |
| 20:42:08 | tux_mike | 5500 tba |
| 20:42:13 | kikco | yeah |
| 20:42:36 | kikco | oh |
| 20:42:45 | kikco | I heard it was supposed to come out in March |
| 20:43:04 | tux_mike | originally feburary... but you know how these things go |
| 20:47:13 | kergoth | hey alienswede |
| 20:47:15 | alienswede | heya |
| 20:47:20 | alienswede | this channel sure has grown :) |
| 20:47:33 | alienswede | ltns |
| 20:47:34 | kergoth | indeed it has |
| 20:47:37 | kergoth | howve you been? |
| 20:47:48 | alienswede | good.. but dreadfully busy |
| 20:47:52 | alienswede | thus my absence |
| 20:47:53 | alienswede | hehe |
| 20:48:30 | alienswede | we're in the process of moving our entire datacenter |
| 20:48:32 | kergoth | ah know how that goes |
| 20:48:36 | kergoth | ah fun |
| 20:48:38 | alienswede | so that's taking up ALOT of time |
| 20:49:52 | alienswede | and I've actually passed on my Z to a coworker so he can learn it. He'll keep the 5000D and I'll get a 5500 :) |
| 20:50:23 | alienswede | what about you? been busy with OpenZaurus development I take it? |
| 20:55:43 | kergoth | hehe. nice. i havent decided if im going to buy a 5500... yeah busy with openzaurus, and the opie project (fork of qtopia.. http://opie.handhelds.org/) |
| 20:56:53 | fusion94 | is away: tv & stuff |
| 20:57:09 | Hellaenergy | Hi Everybody :) |
| 20:57:29 | alienswede | very cool... so you're happy with the 5000D the way it is or are you looking at something else? |
| 20:57:40 | alienswede | Hi Hella |
| 20:58:03 | Hellaenergy | When I try to compile my app using libqpe.1.5.0.so I get this error |
| 20:58:13 | Hellaenergy | /opt/Qtopia/lib/libqpe.so: could not read symbols: Invalid operation |
| 20:58:13 | Hellaenergy | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 20:58:23 | Hellaenergy | "/opt/Qtopia/lib/libqpe.so: could not read symbols: Invalid operation |
| 20:58:23 | Hellaenergy | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 20:58:28 | mark_ | Hellaenergy: sounds like you are trying to link x86 against arm libs, or the otherway round |
| 20:58:37 | Hellaenergy | ah |
| 20:58:39 | Hellaenergy | thanks |
| 20:59:03 | Neo|Work | ahh, contenst updates |
| 21:00:04 | kergoth | sup Hellaenergy |
| 21:00:11 | Hellaenergy | How do I change that? |
| 21:00:17 | Hellaenergy | hey kergoth |
| 21:00:23 | kergoth | alienswede: well id love the 5500 for more ram, but for now ill just get rid of the home partition entirely |
| 21:00:34 | kergoth | Hellaenergy: if you're crosscompiling, use /opt/Qtopia/sharp/lib |
| 21:00:47 | alienswede | kergoth: I'm in the fortunate position that my company will buy it for me so I won't decline |
| 21:01:08 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:01:10 | kergoth | excellent. |
| 21:02:57 | Hellaenergy | hey roge99 :) |
| 21:03:05 | roge99 | hey Hellaenergy whats up |
| 21:03:16 | Hellaenergy | Life is grand life is great |
| 21:03:19 | kergoth | sup roge99 |
| 21:03:23 | roge99 | thats good |
| 21:03:25 | roge99 | hey kergoth |
| 21:04:25 | alienswede | kergoth: My colleague was having some probs with the latest OpenZ rom image and the WCF11 card... modprobe complains it can't load the wlan0 module... appropriate entries have been added to wlan-ng.conf. Are you aware of any problems? |
| 21:04:54 | alienswede | kergoth: I haven't looked at it much myself. just figured I'd check and see if you knew of any exisiting problems before I delve into it :) |
| 21:05:04 | roge99 | alienswede: did you modify the wlan-ng file |
| 21:05:06 | kergoth | alienswede: havent heard of any. I believe roge99 has actually set it up |
| 21:05:25 | alienswede | roge99: just wlan-ng.conf to add the linksys entry |
| 21:05:43 | bugfixer | I had heard a rumor that there might be a Java Developer's Contest comming in March. Anyone know anything about this, or is it just a rumor? |
| 21:05:52 | roge99 | alienswede: in 2.6 you need to edit wlan-ng as well as adding an entry for your card in wlan-ng.conf |
| 21:06:07 | alienswede | roge99: ah, ok.. what edits need to be made? |
| 21:06:08 | Hellaenergy | bugfixer: I believe that is true. I heard that too |
| 21:06:28 | roge99 | hold on one sec let me pull the file up |
| 21:06:32 | Cam | prizes: the first 100 will receive a 'virtual machine' ;-) |
| 21:06:35 | alienswede | roge99: thanks |
| 21:06:37 | bugfixer | Hellaenergy: Any idea when they may announce it |
| 21:06:49 | Hellaenergy | nope |
| 21:07:15 | bugfixer | Cam: If it is a 1.2 compliant JVM, I will take it |
| 21:07:23 | Twiun | Likewise |
| 21:07:33 | Twiun | the 1.1 jvm on the Z atm is too restrictive |
| 21:07:40 | Hellaenergy | kergoth: Now I get all these undefined references :( |
| 21:07:52 | kergoth | Hellaenergy: to what? |
| 21:08:07 | Hellaenergy | Its about 200 lines |
| 21:08:12 | kergoth | Hellaenergy: if you're using my build scripts, just run source dev-arm-qpe instead of dev-x86-qpe |
| 21:08:24 | Hellaenergy | I am |
| 21:08:30 | bugfixer | I want a jvm that supports jini |
| 21:08:35 | tux_mike | kergoth: you have an x86 build option? |
| 21:08:43 | kergoth | tux_mike: for buildroot? |
| 21:08:54 | Hellaenergy | /opt/Qtopia/sharp/lib/libqpe.so: undefined reference to `QTable::drawContents(QPainter *, int, int, int, int)' |
| 21:09:06 | Hellaenergy | is one of the many |
| 21:09:26 | tux_mike | or is that just for qpe? |
| 21:09:38 | bugfixer | Twiun: I sent an email to savaje.com to see if there would port there java 2 platform over |
| 21:10:16 | bugfixer | Twiun: There need to be more of a market there first, was there reply |
| 21:10:22 | kergoth | tux_mike: ah.. those are just scripts to set TMAKEPATH and others appropriately... |
| 21:10:23 | Hellaenergy | arm-linux-g++ -I$QPEDIR/sharp/include -L$QPEDIR/sharp/lib -lqpe -o Exit_button Exit_button.C |
| 21:10:24 | Hellaenergy | /opt/Embedix/tools/arm-linux/bin/ld: warning: libqte.so.2, needed by /opt/Qtopia/sharp/lib/libqpe.so, not found (try using -rpath or -rpath-link) |
| 21:10:25 | Twiun | bugfixer: I've been on their message boards about that... it seems they haven't decided yet |
| 21:10:51 | bugfixer | Twiun: Where is there message board |
| 21:10:52 | kergoth | tux_mike: general crosscompilation env source shell scripts. I need to add architecture selection to buildroot yet.. to build oz and the like for other archs |
| 21:10:54 | Twiun | bugfixer: *grin* I should read all the replies before answering |
| 21:11:24 | tux_mike | kergoth: cool. let me know when you do that :) |
| 21:11:29 | kergoth | will do |
| 21:11:41 | Twiun | Anyone else find the lack of png support for java on the Z annoying? |
| 21:11:44 | roge99 | kergoth: you want me to mail you an updated wlan-ng file |
| 21:12:05 | tux_mike | it would be a lot better if we used VMWare for "emulating" the Z instead of the QVFB |
| 21:12:14 | kergoth | roge99: yeah actually thatd be nice. ill throw it into oz 3 if i dont have it converted to familiar by the time 3 releases |
| 21:12:35 | roge99 | whats your mail ? |
| 21:14:03 | roge99 | kergoth: i accuall hacked up a oz 2.6 with a different background and support for my card you want the initrd.bin as well |
| 21:14:27 | kergoth | kergoth@digitalnemesis.net |
| 21:14:52 | kergoth | nah dont bother with the initrd.bin, though you can send me your background :-) we need a theme manager in opie |
| 21:14:54 | kergoth | hey Fastolfe |
| 21:15:37 | Fastolfe | howdy |
| 21:15:54 | alienswede | thanks roge, works great |
| 21:16:18 | Fastolfe | kergoth: I meant to tell you, I've put the source code for the fbvncserver up for d/l if you need it in your OZ build tree |
| 21:16:51 | kergoth | Fastolfe: ah, cool... the buildsystem actually couldve pulled down the binaries and used them.. hehe. but ill add the source build to the tree. |
| 21:17:01 | roge99 | alienswede: good |
| 21:17:45 | Fastolfe | kergoth: sure, I'm just not so sure about building things w/o the source code for the piece I build, personally :) |
| 21:17:56 | kergoth | Fastolfe: I agree wholeheartedly :-) |
| 21:18:28 | Fastolfe | soo, the TT contest has been extended, what a surprise :) |
| 21:18:44 | tux_mike | go figure |
| 21:18:57 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:19:06 | Fastolfe | they just don't have enough entries is all |
| 21:19:23 | alienswede | any idea how many entries they've received? |
| 21:19:27 | tux_mike | all they need is 5 :) |
| 21:19:52 | Fastolfe | Judging all the excellent entries and choosing the best 50 has taken |
| 21:19:52 | Fastolfe | longer than we anticipated, so we are extending the deadline for the |
| 21:19:52 | Fastolfe | Qtopia development contest until April 2, 2002. |
| 21:20:01 | Fastolfe | so I spose they have at least 50 :) |
| 21:20:03 | mark_ | Fastolfe: any progress on the ipaq VNC server |
| 21:20:16 | Fastolfe | mark_: what do you mean ? |
| 21:20:28 | Fastolfe | mark_: it's working, with some probs still there |
| 21:20:45 | tux_mike | did you fix most of those lieaks? |
| 21:20:52 | mark_ | Fastolfe: you were gonna get an iPAQ for doing touch screen and key input |
| 21:20:56 | Fastolfe | tux_mike: oh yeah |
| 21:21:11 | warmi | alienswede:1000+ according to ljp |
| 21:21:21 | Fastolfe | mark_: ooh ok, I thought you were on the ipaq list : I got an ipaq, and I've released several versions for the ipaq already |
| 21:21:29 | alienswede | warmi: that's quite a few :) |
| 21:21:34 | Fastolfe | mark_: http://opensource.lineo.com/fbvncserver/ |
| 21:21:40 | mark_ | Fastolfe: oh sorry, I'll read up. I should subscribe to digest of that list |
| 21:22:10 | warmi | yeah ... I was surprised as well ... |
| 21:22:27 | kergoth | im looking forward to seeing all these apps after the contest is over.. |
| 21:22:42 | warmi | I saw already like 4 or 5 of them |
| 21:22:44 | warmi | :-) |
| 21:22:46 | Fastolfe | I hope they won't see I work for Lineo, personally :) |
| 21:23:09 | tux_mike | Fastolfe: that's gonna disqualify you :/ |
| 21:23:15 | Fastolfe | tux_mike: yeah |
| 21:23:17 | mark_ | kergoth: so am I , can't wait. which they were released soon |
| 21:23:29 | tux_mike | i need more programs |
| 21:23:33 | mark_ | too |
| 21:23:47 | Fastolfe | tux_mike: but I spose what will really disqualify me is that my entry has exactly 0 lines of Qt code in it, and is in assembler not C++ :) |
| 21:24:51 | mark_ | Fastolfe: what is your entry? |
| 21:24:56 | Fastolfe | the vnc server |
| 21:24:59 | mark_ | oh right |
| 21:25:10 | tux_mike | um... yah |
| 21:25:14 | warmi | Fastolfe: where can I find ASM info for ARM and what kind of Assebler did you use to write this stuff ? |
| 21:25:15 | tux_mike | what are you making? |
| 21:25:22 | Fastolfe | I could submit the X11 server and window manager, see if trolltech likes it lol :) |
| 21:25:38 | roge99 | hey kergoth |
| 21:25:51 | kergoth | roge99: ? |
| 21:25:57 | roge99 | maybe you could stick the updated files into an ipk |
| 21:26:12 | kergoth | ah good idea |
| 21:26:17 | Fastolfe | warmi: I learned the strongarm asm with the ARM ARM book (Arm Reference Manual), and I inlined it in my C code in AT&T syntax and compiled it with gcc |
| 21:26:19 | roge99 | this way people could have an easy fix for now |
| 21:26:57 | Fastolfe | warmi: you can use gas directly tho |
| 21:27:05 | warmi | well, since I don't know ASM mnemonics might as well use AT&T syntax .. :-) |
| 21:27:46 | Fastolfe | AT&T is confusing, but I kind of like it. Most everybody else doesn't tho. I guess it's user-friendly, it's just particular about the friends it chooses. |
| 21:27:50 | warmi | i wrote tons of ASM for Motorola and Intel and I am extremely used to Intel syntax in case if X86 so I don't like GAS |
| 21:28:03 | tux_mike | Fastolfe: question, doesn't the PPro on up have risc instructions with the original CISC ones? |
| 21:28:29 | Fastolfe | warmi: StrongARM asm is peculiar enough that AT&T becomes the most obvious choice, for lack of anything else |
| 21:28:58 | Fastolfe | tux_mike: I think PPro had a native mode, and the cisc x86 instruction set was microcoded |
| 21:29:05 | warmi | Fastolfe: yeah, I figured ... might as well use GAS since I don't know ARM asm anyway |
| 21:29:31 | Fastolfe | warmi: get yourself the arm arm book first, otherwise you'll suffer a thousand deaths |
| 21:29:37 | warmi | tux_mike: anything that executes in one cycle or less is RISC on intel :-) |
| 21:30:06 | Fastolfe | ah! My CPU core doesn't even have a clock, how much faster can you be :)) |
| 21:30:09 | warmi | they still advise you to use REPs etc but anything else you should single cycle instructions |
| 21:30:21 | warmi | at least that was the case 4 years ago |
| 21:30:40 | Fastolfe | I admit that the last intel CPU I knew very well was the 386 :) |
| 21:31:04 | warmi | where does one can get ARM Reference Manual ? |
| 21:31:11 | warmi | any URLs ? |
| 21:31:11 | Fastolfe | www.arm.com |
| 21:31:40 | warmi | thanks |
| 21:31:43 | warmi | that was easy enough |
| 21:31:47 | warmi | heh |
| 21:31:59 | Fastolfe | yep, gotta love it |
| 21:32:16 | Fastolfe | you won't find anything meaningful on the net I'm afraid tho |
| 21:32:20 | Fastolfe | you really need the book |
| 21:32:34 | Fastolfe | and the kernel doesn't contain enough arm asm to learn it either |
| 21:33:10 | Fastolfe | warmi: just d/l the vnc server and look at the asm code, it's commented, so it might be a good starting point for learning |
| 21:33:27 | warmi | well, I am looking into writing some fast blit routines using QDirectPainter ... |
| 21:33:47 | Fastolfe | framebuffer code ? |
| 21:34:13 | warmi | sort of, QDirectPainter gives you pointer to mapped video memory ... that is all I need |
| 21:34:20 | Fastolfe | yeah |
| 21:34:39 | Fastolfe | the asm in the vnc server is framebuffer code too :) |
| 21:34:43 | Fastolfe | plugs vnc |
| 21:34:45 | Fastolfe | :)) |
| 21:35:03 | warmi | where can I download src for the vnc ? |
| 21:35:27 | Fastolfe | http://opensource.lineo.com/fbvncserver/fbvncserver_0.1.1_arm.tar.gz |
| 21:35:38 | Fastolfe | look somewhere at the bottom of the fbvncserver.c file |
| 21:35:44 | warmi | ok thanks |
| 21:35:48 | Fastolfe | sure |
| 21:41:31 | scribeMobile | finally got a message from trolltech about the contest! |
| 21:42:34 | kergoth | yup. niftiness. |
| 21:43:18 | mark_ | scribeMobile: saying what? |
| 21:43:26 | mark_ | oh right |
| 21:43:28 | mark_ | i've got it too :) |
| 21:43:35 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:43:42 | scribeMobile | :) "wait" |
| 21:43:52 | scribeMobile | but that's cool. At least we know the status |
| 21:44:01 | mark_ | oh, btw, if anyone needs their apps testing on opie.......... :) |
| 21:44:14 | mark_ | ToyKeeper: "mark@houseoffish.org" <"mark@houseoffish.org"@trolltech.com> - strange |
| 21:44:19 | mark_ | lol, not toykeeper |
| 21:44:24 | mark_ | kicks xchat |
| 21:44:43 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:44:57 | Neo|Work | auto nick completion rulez! :P |
| 21:45:23 | mark_ | gah. /me kicks xchat again |
| 21:45:35 | mark_ | Neo|Work: I love it half the time, hate it the rest :) |
| 21:46:27 | mark_ | grrrr |
| 21:46:45 | mark_ | gah wtf is happening |
| 21:59:41 | scribeMobile | hey, anyone figure out my problem about select scrolling?-- how to disable it? |
| 22:06:28 | bipolar_away | is away: I'm not here... Really.... |
| 22:11:18 | Twiun | Wow... nothing like a good netsplit |
| 22:17:29 | kergoth | quiet chan.. |
| 22:17:31 | kergoth | yawns |
| 22:18:03 | NetAmp | hey that Opie logo is cool ;) I saw there's a bigger picture on openzaurus.org |
| 22:18:41 | NetAmp | do you know where it came from? It looks like a mix between Tux and a dinosaur :D |
| 22:19:16 | kergoth | NetAmp: yeah exactly. tuxzilla, so to speak ;-) |
| 22:19:20 | kergoth | NetAmp: whardier designed it |
| 22:20:09 | NetAmp | hahaha |
| 22:20:10 | whardier | hi |
| 22:20:18 | NetAmp | allo |
| 22:20:29 | whardier | http://vash.umgllc.com/shirt2.png <- HUUUGE |
| 22:20:37 | whardier | err |
| 22:20:39 | whardier | that one is small |
| 22:20:41 | whardier | http://vash.umgllc.com/shirt.png <- HUUUGE |
| 22:21:06 | NetAmp | 's goin' to have a look |
| 22:21:41 | NetAmp | wow it's HUUUUGE indeed! (Especially on my ISDN connection!! *lol*) |
| 22:23:43 | whardier | heh |
| 22:27:38 | kergoth | whardier: does the creature have an official name yet? |
| 22:27:39 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:27:55 | whardier | I like pingizauru |
| 22:28:04 | whardier | others have had their say |
| 22:28:55 | NetAmp | HAHHA |
| 22:29:06 | NetAmp | that really sounds like a name for a Pokémon! |
| 22:29:11 | NetAmp | (excuse me saying that ;)) |
| 22:29:22 | Neo|Work | whardier: I love the pingizaurus. :P |
| 22:29:31 | tux_mike | evil! |
| 22:29:33 | NetAmp | or kinda Japanese at least, but that fits with the rest |
| 22:29:41 | NetAmp | so it's a cool name :D |
| 22:29:58 | NetAmp | www.pingizaurus.org ? (Fanclub?) |
| 22:30:41 | kergoth | pingizauru.org? lol... thats amusing |
| 22:30:51 | NetAmp | yeah! why not? :D |
| 22:30:56 | NetAmp | *lolz* |
| 22:31:27 | whardier | my pingizauru is not an idol |
| 22:31:44 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:31:56 | Neo|Work | Pingizauru - I choose YOU! |
| 22:32:02 | NetAmp | HAHAHA |
| 22:32:19 | whardier | hellll yeah |
| 22:32:20 | NetAmp | Pingizauru, attack Pikachu! |
| 22:32:34 | whardier | throws 802.11b particles at Pikachu |
| 22:32:42 | NetAmp | -- Pingizauru uses his 'trample' attack on Pikachu |
| 22:32:44 | NetAmp | HEY! |
| 22:32:59 | NetAmp | We (or erm... well developers :D) could make a game out of it |
| 22:33:01 | NetAmp | *grin* |
| 22:33:40 | kergoth | lol |
| 22:33:43 | kergoth | whardier: up for animating him? |
| 22:33:44 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:33:56 | NetAmp | (or at least a Booster Deck for Pokémon trading cards) |
| 22:34:01 | whardier | kergoth sure |
| 22:34:02 | whardier | I could do that |
| 22:34:05 | whardier | but why1 |
| 22:34:08 | NetAmp | sees Open Source merchandise here |
| 22:34:10 | NetAmp | *lol* |
| 22:34:14 | NetAmp | just kidding ;) |
| 22:34:20 | NetAmp | But an animation would be cool! |
| 22:34:29 | NetAmp | Like a tamagotchi on the zaurus! |
| 22:34:42 | kergoth | lol |
| 22:34:44 | NetAmp | And when you put it in the docking station, Pingi gets rest! |
| 22:34:47 | kergoth | feed the pingizauru |
| 22:34:49 | NetAmp | that's great |
| 22:35:08 | kergoth | if you hurt him, he burns you |
| 22:35:15 | whardier | with his flamers |
| 22:35:26 | NetAmp | yeah! and also, you can play MP3's, which lets him evolve or charge |
| 22:35:33 | kergoth | hah |
| 22:37:56 | NetAmp | (hm Pingizauru lighters would also be cool, since he already has a flamer) |
| 22:38:08 | kergoth | lol.. |
| 22:38:12 | kergoth | talk thinkgeek into selling em |
| 22:38:35 | kergoth | whardier: you sure you dont want him to be an idol if you can make $$? lol |
| 22:39:17 | whardier | augh |
| 22:39:21 | whardier | I will make a plush |
| 22:39:23 | whardier | that shoots acid |
| 22:39:33 | whardier | just for all you idol lovers |
| 22:39:56 | NetAmp | hahaha |
| 22:50:17 | scanline | is away: studying or something |
| 22:54:46 | NetAmp | wb |
| 23:08:40 | NetAmp | http://www.netamp.f2s.com/pzfan.htm |
| 23:09:54 | kergoth | hah |
| 23:09:58 | kergoth | nice background :-P |
| 23:10:11 | NetAmp | wahaha |
| 23:10:13 | NetAmp | *lolz* |
| 23:10:26 | NetAmp | thanx :D |
| 23:10:33 | kergoth | oh i know |
| 23:10:47 | kergoth | we need a dancing pingizauru's page. like the old dancing pages that always got emailed around |
| 23:10:50 | kergoth | know what im sayin? |
| 23:10:51 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:10:52 | NetAmp | yeah!!! |
| 23:11:08 | NetAmp | hm... yo whardier, ghehe |
| 23:11:13 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:11:18 | tux_mike | lots of green |
| 23:11:21 | NetAmp | yeah |
| 23:12:35 | NetAmp | hey... but then... |
| 23:12:38 | NetAmp | we also need a song |
| 23:12:43 | kergoth | lol |
| 23:12:51 | tux_mike | how about the hamsterdance song? |
| 23:12:54 | NetAmp | but shouldn't be as annoying as the hamsters? or should it ;) |
| 23:13:24 | tux_mike | it should! >:) |
| 23:13:31 | NetAmp | tux_mike: yeah maybe with some editing ;) |
| 23:13:54 | tux_mike | i don't think i've ever used this much swap |
| 23:14:08 | kergoth | tux_mike: how much? |
| 23:14:09 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:14:16 | tux_mike | 123M |
| 23:14:32 | kergoth | how much ram do you have? |
| 23:14:37 | kergoth | i need to buy more |
| 23:14:38 | tux_mike | 288M |
| 23:14:44 | kergoth | ah cool |
| 23:14:53 | tux_mike | i'm at 50% of RAM |
| 23:15:18 | kergoth | ive got 384, but i run windows xp on that box. its usually tapping 512 megs of swap. hehe |
| 23:15:21 | tux_mike | but running XP on vmware kills my memory. |
| 23:15:39 | NetAmp | wahahaha and they say I'm sick ;) |
| 23:15:53 | tux_mike | i can't wait to get a new laptop, 384 megs of ram will be possible. :) and 3D! ^_^ |
| 23:15:53 | NetAmp | (well maybe I am... I run XP _without_ vmware) |
| 23:16:25 | kergoth | NetAmp: you use styleXP? its very nifty |
| 23:16:39 | tux_mike | styleXP in OPIE? |
| 23:16:41 | kergoth | I need a stick of 512 ddr. how much $$ is that nowadays? |
| 23:16:45 | tux_mike | opie/OZ |
| 23:16:45 | NetAmp | not yet, but I downloaded it... guess I'll give it a try |
| 23:16:46 | kergoth | hah. no in xp |
| 23:16:56 | kergoth | we do need a theming system for opie tho |
| 23:17:02 | tux_mike | yesh! |
| 23:17:08 | NetAmp | yeah cool! |
| 23:17:08 | tux_mike | icky widgets |
| 23:17:14 | kergoth | the QStyles compiled into libqpe suck. |
| 23:17:17 | kergoth | hehe. |
| 23:17:33 | tux_mike | very much so |
| 23:17:46 | tux_mike | are the QStyles in QPE or QT/e? |
| 23:18:23 | kergoth | well, iirc a few are in qte and a few are in qpe |
| 23:18:32 | kergoth | they disable most of the qstyles from qt/e |
| 23:18:43 | tux_mike | hrm... how to add an engine... |
| 23:18:50 | kergoth | I look forward to the day opie is running on qt/e 3 and using qstylefactory |
| 23:18:50 | tux_mike | i say a V12 :) |
| 23:18:50 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:19:05 | tux_mike | that's not gonna happen for a while |
| 23:19:09 | kergoth | yep |
| 23:19:31 | kergoth | we need a temporary solution for theming though |
| 23:19:44 | tux_mike | yah, very much so |
| 23:19:49 | kergoth | for now we could just create a theme format that associates a background, startbutton logo, qstyle, and color scheme into a theme |
| 23:19:56 | tux_mike | isn't there a DL interface for QPE? |
| 23:19:58 | NetAmp | :D |
| 23:20:14 | tux_mike | but how to get new qstyles in... |
| 23:20:23 | NetAmp | maybe the easiest is to 'zip it up' like WinAmp skins (???) |
| 23:20:34 | tux_mike | i'd love to see opie.themes.org :) |
| 23:20:45 | tux_mike | or opie.kde-look.org :) |
| 23:20:46 | kergoth | tux_mike: well, we need to make it handle accessing qstyles in seperate shared libraries, using a QLibrary to access them |
| 23:20:48 | NetAmp | haha yeah *lol* |
| 23:20:50 | kergoth | tux_mike: or something along those lines |
| 23:20:56 | tux_mike | that would work |
| 23:20:57 | kergoth | tux_mike: it may be worth looking into the theme format in kde |
| 23:21:06 | kergoth | s/theme/theme or style/ |
| 23:21:08 | kergoth | or something |
| 23:21:10 | kergoth | yawns |
| 23:21:28 | tux_mike | style. yah. |
| 23:21:33 | tux_mike | think that's right |
| 23:21:43 | kergoth | yeah |
| 23:23:14 | NetAmp | opie pixmaps ;) |
| 23:24:04 | NetAmp | I'd (or actually wouldn't) to see PocketPC |
| 23:24:18 | NetAmp | like to see PPC do THAT |
| 23:24:22 | NetAmp | :P |
| 23:24:40 | tux_mike | make it like silver screen :) that's a cool program :) |
| 23:26:14 | NetAmp | looks into his crystal ball and sees a big future for Opie |
| 23:28:26 | tux_mike | kergoth: after i'm done with this chunk of opie, i'll help you with the theme engine :) |
| 23:28:32 | kergoth | http://www.geoid.clara.net/rik/widget_style_tutorial.html http://www.geoid.clara.net/rik/kwin_style_tutorial.html |
| 23:28:32 | tux_mike | as much as i can |
| 23:28:32 | kergoth | k |
| 23:28:45 | kergoth | I'm getting info from the kde style guys |
| 23:28:46 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:28:52 | tux_mike | cool |
| 23:28:55 | kergoth | trying to understand how they architected their system |
| 23:29:20 | tux_mike | i think this is quite necissary, but not as neccisary as making the address book input easier :) |
| 23:29:31 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:29:32 | kergoth | indeed |
| 23:29:50 | NetAmp | ;-) |
| 23:29:54 | tux_mike | have you seen my .ui file i'm basing this stuff off of? |
| 23:30:30 | Neo|Work | I find the designed to be rather useless for Z development |
| 23:30:40 | Neo|Work | plus it doesn't seem to support menues and such things |
| 23:30:58 | tux_mike | NeoTron: i use it to organize the widgets, then i reimplement by hand |
| 23:31:00 | kergoth | yeah i havent done much with the designer at all for the z |
| 23:31:05 | kergoth | ah cool |
| 23:31:21 | tux_mike | it gives me an idea of what to do. |
| 23:31:28 | Neo|Work | I just do it all in code. Turns out easier for me |
| 23:31:41 | Neo|Work | but I haven't done much advanced layouts either |
| 23:31:51 | tux_mike | i need a little bit of visualization. i'm starting to not need it... |
| 23:31:57 | tux_mike | Neo|Work: but i am :) |
| 23:32:08 | Neo|Work | edict is the most advanced I've made. :P |
| 23:32:12 | tux_mike | tabs, scroll views, lots of widgets :) |
| 23:33:06 | tux_mike | kergoth: do you think we should support pixmap themes too? |
| 23:35:20 | NetAmp | it's easier for non-designers ;) |
| 23:35:34 | NetAmp | but like it says on that page, also has its disadvantages |
| 23:36:10 | kergoth | yeah as a user i'd want to be able to still be able to customize aspects without having to write a damned qstyle |
| 23:36:13 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:36:41 | NetAmp | ;) |
| 23:37:08 | tux_mike | i agree. it may not be as efficent, and my have it's quirks, but it'd work well for non-programmers. |
| 23:37:37 | kergoth | right now all a user could change is startbutton, background image, and color scheme |
| 23:37:53 | tux_mike | yah, that's not enuff. |
| 23:38:05 | kergoth | nope |
| 23:38:08 | NetAmp | well... for starters maybe, but not later on |
| 23:38:38 | tux_mike | kergoth: ever see silver screen? |
| 23:38:44 | kergoth | you know.. before we architect this new theming system, we could just create a .theme format that associates color scheme<->style<->pixmaps |
| 23:38:47 | kergoth | tux_mike: nope |
| 23:38:54 | tux_mike | http://www.pocketsensei.com |
| 23:40:09 | tux_mike | kergoth: but we should still have a method to dynamically load the QStyle if applicable (and have like a QStyle PixmapStyle for use of pixmaps) |
| 23:40:17 | kergoth | yes |
| 23:40:40 | NetAmp | quote from sourceforge: "Things I'd like to see changed: Free up as much main memory as possible ..." |
| 23:40:45 | tux_mike | have all QStyles dynamic libraries except QPE and PixmapStyle |
| 23:40:51 | NetAmp | (so also it shouldn't take up too much memory) |
| 23:41:05 | kergoth | yeah |
| 23:41:20 | tux_mike | well, dynamic loading should take up less than having all them all in the libary |
| 23:41:29 | kergoth | tux_mike: ive already looked into the code to see about splitting them off into shared libraries, but I need to understand QLibrary a bit better before I can ipmlement |
| 23:41:34 | kergoth | have you used qlibrary at all/ |
| 23:41:45 | kergoth | its from qt 3, but was backported to qtopia by trolltech |
| 23:41:46 | kergoth | iirc |
| 23:42:37 | tux_mike | no... i havent done much with libraries at all. |
| 23:42:41 | NetAmp | hm looks interesting, that silver screen |
| 23:42:47 | tux_mike | but this would be a good chance to learn |
| 23:42:55 | kergoth | indeed it would |
| 23:43:08 | kergoth | we could use dlopen() and friends, but id prefer not to go that low level when QLibrary exists already |
| 23:43:09 | tux_mike | i'd liek to make the/a launcher app that looks like silverscreen as far as a launcher goes. |
| 23:43:25 | tux_mike | http://www.pocketsensei.com/color.htm |
| 23:43:44 | kergoth | hehe. get to work :-) $OPIEDIR/taskbar/ |
| 23:44:04 | whardier | rawr? |
| 23:44:06 | kergoth | that dir should be renamed to launcher, imho |
| 23:44:09 | kergoth | sup whardier |
| 23:44:12 | tux_mike | odd... |
| 23:44:13 | whardier | wurd up foolie |
| 23:44:26 | tux_mike | kergoth: in time... |
| 23:44:31 | kergoth | tux_mike: heh :-) |
| 23:44:43 | tux_mike | all this OPIE programmng is gonna take time away from tuxnami... :/ |
| 23:44:50 | kergoth | whardier: want an opie project? make qstyles load from shared libraries |
| 23:44:54 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:45:19 | whardier | no |
| 23:45:19 | whardier | hah |
| 23:45:21 | whardier | there |
| 23:45:22 | whardier | I said it |
| 23:45:36 | whardier | tuxnami |
| 23:45:54 | tux_mike | big project i have ideas for |
| 23:46:33 | tux_mike | i don't think i'll get to it for a few years (quite literally) |
| 23:47:40 | scanline | is back (gone 00:57:23) |
| 23:57:22 | scanline | is away: pseudo-dinner-thingy |
| 23:58:00 | NetAmp | gotta go get some sleep |
| 23:58:32 | NetAmp | Good luck with the themeing & user interface, etc. :) |
| 23:59:48 | tux_mike | cant sleep? |
| 23:59:57 | NetAmp | ghehe *lol* |
