| 00:00:14 | ljp | scanline: is that a new Apple pda? :) |
| 00:00:24 | scanline | hehe |
| 00:00:31 | ljp | called the Applet |
| 00:00:40 | scanline | you know, i was disappointed when they released the iMac. I wanted an iNewton instead |
| 00:00:42 | scanline | haha |
| 00:01:03 | ljp | good thing they didnt choose the iGrannySmith |
| 00:01:15 | scanline | hehe |
| 00:01:16 | tgall_pda | heh... |
| 00:01:20 | scanline | hmm... |
| 00:01:21 | tgall_pda | I wanted a new iNewton too ... |
| 00:01:32 | scanline | i can't find where openzaurus builds the Qt stuff |
| 00:01:34 | tgall_pda | who knows tho ... the PowerPC 405LP is out now... |
| 00:04:45 | tux_mike | time to see if my opie modifications compile |
| 00:09:23 | NeoTron | hmm |
| 00:09:35 | NeoTron | anyone knows if one has to do anything special for Z apps to exit? |
| 00:11:13 | tgall_pda | grrr ... anyone know where libgdbm is from? |
| 00:11:16 | scanline | NeoTron: confusing, isn't it? |
| 00:11:40 | NeoTron | well, ppl say Eligo never really quits, pops up by itself etc.. |
| 00:12:36 | NeoTron | which, is sucky. :P |
| 00:13:20 | ljp | Neo: you can always do exit(0); |
| 00:13:35 | NeoTron | I use qApp->quit(); |
| 00:14:02 | NeoTron | but then again, one person said they pressed the [x] button and there should be no title on the window either.. |
| 00:14:18 | ljp | no title on the window? |
| 00:15:43 | NeoTron | right |
| 00:15:51 | NeoTron | my main widget is based on QWidget |
| 00:16:09 | NeoTron | http://eongames.com/games/eligo/shots.html |
| 00:20:52 | scanline | ok, now i'm really confused...... |
| 00:21:12 | scanline | the buildroot-oz in openzaurus' CVS doesn't install Opie? |
| 00:21:52 | scanline | it would be nice to have a copy of the procedure that was used to build the openzaurus initrd image that's available for download |
| 00:24:44 | scanline | hehe... anybody here work on openzaurus, or should i just wait for whardier to get back? :) |
| 00:32:10 | ljp | I work on opie.. but OZ is whardier and bipolar I believe |
| 00:32:23 | scanline | k |
| 00:32:55 | scanline | the build system in CVS seems to only make busybox, glibc, and more command-line stuff |
| 00:33:09 | scanline | i shall bug whardier about where the rest comes from later... |
| 00:33:23 | scanline | should get back to debugging picogui's textbox widget |
| 00:38:53 | NetAmp | This looks quite handy: http://www.landware.com/floatingpoint/index.asp |
| 00:39:37 | NetAmp | It's a stylus with a 'moving' piece where it touches the screen. |
| 00:39:52 | NetAmp | They should also make that for the Zaurus ;-) |
| 00:41:45 | tgall_pda | hmmm why in the world does gnupg need libgdbm? |
| 00:42:47 | scanline | NetAmp: that's cool |
| 00:43:06 | tgall_pda | hmmm I wonder if sometihng evil isn't going on ... where the ./configure picked up what's on my thinkpad as apposed to what it should be building for the Z |
| 00:43:20 | NetAmp | scanline: yeah I thought so too :) |
| 00:43:55 | NetAmp | scanline: ofcourse it could be used on a Z, but I guess it wont fit into it |
| 00:44:10 | scanline | yea |
| 00:44:28 | scanline | i was disappointed with the stylus that comes with the Z |
| 00:44:54 | scanline | so far the nicest stylus i've used is the one that comes with the VTech Helio |
| 00:45:19 | scanline | metal body, plastic tip, and a rubber area near the end where you grip it |
| 00:46:03 | NetAmp | sweet :) |
| 00:46:38 | tgall_pda | the location of hte holder for the stylus is better on the japanese version of hte Z |
| 00:46:47 | NetAmp | scanline: so it's a good idea to get another stylus instead of Sharp's? |
| 00:47:06 | tgall_pda | (it's out of hte way if you have a 802.11 wireless cf card) |
| 00:47:17 | scanline | NetAmp: I dunno... you probably wouldn't find one that fits in the slot, and i like the convenience of a built-in stylus holder |
| 00:47:28 | NetAmp | scanline: yep, true |
| 00:48:28 | NetAmp | tgall_pda: hm... is that like the SL5500 (except for that holder)? |
| 00:48:52 | tgall_pda | I forget the exact product number ... one of my friends has one |
| 00:49:03 | NetAmp | tgall_pda: only problem would be the language then :D (and probably the AC adapter) |
| 00:49:04 | tgall_pda | the holder is on the left ... not on the right |
| 00:49:23 | tgall_pda | yeah kanjii on the keyboard is a bit disconcerting |
| 00:49:28 | NetAmp | hahaha |
| 00:50:07 | NetAmp | *lol* well... then we'll just all take a quick course of Japanese ;) |
| 00:51:40 | | i think life is sucky and then you die |
| 00:51:40 | file | ibot: life? |
| 00:51:46 | file | uh huh |
| 00:52:10 | NetAmp | ;-) |
| 00:52:16 | | zaurus is at http://developer.sharpsec.com/index.cfm |
| 00:52:16 | NetAmp | ibot: zaurus? |
| 00:52:21 | NetAmp | :D |
| 00:52:24 | | somebody said nifty was nifty |
| 00:52:24 | scanline | ibot: nifty? |
| 00:52:29 | NetAmp | it makes life better ;) |
| 00:53:14 | NetAmp | Hm weird... apparently the Helio can also run Linux |
| 00:53:36 | file | NetAmp: quite correct. |
| 00:53:42 | scanline | NetAmp: Yes |
| 00:53:43 | NetAmp | cool ;) |
| 00:53:46 | file | NetAmp: my Helio runs Linux, as does scanline's |
| 00:53:55 | scanline | NetAmp: THat's why i have one, i started a linux distro for it |
| 00:53:57 | NetAmp | hehe great |
| 00:54:40 | | scanline: i haven't a clue |
| 00:54:40 | scanline | ibot: picolinux? |
| 00:55:06 | | OK, scanline. |
| 00:55:06 | scanline | ibot: picolinux is a linux distro for the helio that includes picogui. It's at http://picolinux.sf.net |
| 00:55:22 | | i heard picolinux was a linux distro for the helio that includes picogui. It's at http://picolinux.sf.net |
| 00:55:22 | NetAmp | ibot: picolinux? |
| 00:55:25 | NetAmp | ;) |
| 00:55:54 | NetAmp | cool it even does ~s/is/was/ |
| 00:58:14 | NetAmp | Uh oh.... |
| 00:58:19 | NetAmp | *sigh* |
| 00:58:29 | NetAmp | Microsoft is preparing another invasion :( |
| 00:58:35 | scanline | what now? |
| 00:58:37 | NetAmp | Windows CE.NET |
| 00:58:43 | scanline | ugh |
| 00:58:46 | NetAmp | says "Bite me, Microsoft!" |
| 00:58:47 | NetAmp | http://www.infosync.no/news/2002/02/22/gfx/hitachi_npd_10jwl_02.jpg |
| 00:58:49 | finkaway | heh |
| 00:59:18 | NetAmp | this can't be happening |
| 00:59:30 | NetAmp | and apparentle it's even XScale! |
| 01:00:05 | finkaway | knows nobody with a wince device that likes it |
| 01:00:17 | NetAmp | hehe |
| 01:01:59 | NetAmp | nooooooo even more... the horror! |
| 01:02:37 | NetAmp | I probably shouldn't have told you about this, it's not really helping to get to sleep at night ;) |
| 01:02:46 | file | that's odd |
| 01:02:50 | file | that looks like the Philips Nino a bit |
| 01:02:56 | NetAmp | http://www.microsoft.com/windows/embedded/ce.net/ |
| 01:03:05 | | hmmm... file is a happy Philips Nino user |
| 01:03:05 | scanline | ibot: file? |
| 01:03:10 | NetAmp | hahaha |
| 01:03:25 | NetAmp | file: does that also run Linux? :P |
| 01:03:32 | file | NetAmp: ... a bit? |
| 01:05:21 | file | boots his laptop |
| 01:05:24 | file | hrm, quite fast today |
| 01:05:27 | file | 4.10 BogoMIPS |
| 01:10:32 | NetAmp | techfact -> Wow, Casio has a new digital Wrist Camera that displays recorded images in color on its built-in display. |
| 01:10:43 | NetAmp | wishes he won the lottery |
| 01:14:59 | file | darn it |
| 01:15:09 | file | I wish I could mount ext2 in Windows |
| 01:17:14 | NetAmp | *lol* |
| 01:17:20 | NetAmp | that would be cool... |
| 01:17:31 | NetAmp | I wonder, wouldn't that be possible? |
| 01:17:33 | NetAmp | I mean |
| 01:17:39 | Aelfweld | I thought there was a ultiply at least to move files back and forth |
| 01:18:07 | NetAmp | there are all kinds of programs where you can sortof 'add an ftp site as a drive in explorer' |
| 01:18:24 | file | I require.. the ability... |
| 01:18:35 | file | Cygwin... might work |
| 01:18:38 | Aelfweld | there is read only mounting for 9x |
| 01:18:55 | NetAmp | so maybe something like that for ext2 |
| 01:18:56 | file | :| |
| 01:19:01 | Aelfweld | http://www.yipton.demon.co.uk/ |
| 01:19:16 | NetAmp | what about NFS in Windows :P |
| 01:19:32 | Aelfweld | I am assuming he meansa local drive |
| 01:20:02 | file | read-only... |
| 01:21:11 | Aelfweld | http://www.partition-manager.com/n_ext2fs_main.htm writable for $30 |
| 01:21:37 | NetAmp | hm interesting |
| 01:21:50 | Aelfweld | I knew I had seen a writable one at one point |
| 01:21:56 | Aelfweld | google is a fine thing |
| 01:23:26 | NetAmp | sure is :) |
| 01:23:31 | file | :| |
| 01:36:23 | NetAmp | gotta go get some sleep... |
| 01:36:25 | NetAmp | C-ya |
| 01:47:30 | em1ssnuke | Anyone here who knows about the application data files on the Z? |
| 01:49:37 | em1ssnuke | romania? |
| 01:49:43 | xxL | yup |
| 01:49:51 | em1ssnuke | you have a Z? |
| 01:49:56 | xxL | yup |
| 01:50:04 | em1ssnuke | Hmmm .... cool. |
| 01:50:14 | xxL | yup |
| 01:50:17 | xxL | ;) |
| 01:50:23 | em1ssnuke | do you knwo about the app files? |
| 01:50:36 | xxL | what should I know about them ? |
| 01:50:51 | em1ssnuke | Specifically the calendar and todo files. |
| 01:51:00 | em1ssnuke | I need to rfeset my Z ... |
| 01:51:22 | em1ssnuke | but do not want to use backup and restore. |
| 01:51:25 | xxL | hard reset or soft reset ? |
| 01:51:30 | em1ssnuke | hard |
| 01:51:40 | em1ssnuke | under the battery cover |
| 01:52:22 | em1ssnuke | I want to reatin the data for the calendaer and todo apps |
| 01:52:27 | em1ssnuke | retain |
| 01:52:38 | xxL | check your /home/root/Applications dir |
| 01:52:48 | em1ssnuke | k, thanks ... |
| 01:53:38 | xxL | addressbook/* and todolist/todolist.xml |
| 01:53:48 | xxL | I guess... |
| 01:54:06 | em1ssnuke | datebook ... to i guess. |
| 01:54:30 | scanline | is away: Zzz |
| 01:54:49 | em1ssnuke | thanks ... what time is in Romania? |
| 01:54:53 | xxL | err, right |
| 01:55:00 | xxL | 4:00 |
| 01:55:03 | em1ssnuke | am |
| 01:55:07 | xxL | yes |
| 01:55:16 | em1ssnuke | you are hardcore .... |
| 01:55:23 | xxL | :) |
| 01:55:31 | em1ssnuke | or early bird ... ;) |
| 01:55:50 | xxL | I was about to take off for a nap |
| 01:55:59 | em1ssnuke | .... a nap ..... |
| 01:56:29 | xxL | oh yeah, don't you know that people who sleep less live longer ? :) |
| 01:57:01 | em1ssnuke | 9PM here .... well I'm sure where both on our way ... just giving you crap ;) |
| 01:57:26 | xxL | you from ? |
| 01:57:35 | em1ssnuke | Michigan ... |
| 01:58:29 | xxL | hmm, strange |
| 01:58:49 | em1ssnuke | y? |
| 01:59:15 | xxL | sorry, I misscalculated |
| 01:59:24 | xxL | the time difference |
| 01:59:27 | em1ssnuke | Daylight savings time too .... |
| 01:59:39 | em1ssnuke | err not yet.. |
| 02:00:03 | file | require fun; |
| 02:00:11 | file | crys |
| 02:01:32 | em1ssnuke | require ehat type of fun? |
| 02:01:35 | em1ssnuke | what |
| 02:01:41 | em1ssnuke | UT or Quake3 |
| 02:02:19 | file | no... |
| 02:02:23 | file | need to be not bored |
| 02:02:31 | em1ssnuke | ...then |
| 02:03:36 | em1ssnuke | Thailand and the Phillipines r fun! |
| 02:04:48 | file | crys |
| 02:05:11 | em1ssnuke | boo hooo |
| 02:15:07 | ljp | no.. it'd be a linux-style paper clip.. ascii art! |
| 02:15:23 | ljp | whooops.. heh |
| 04:31:40 | Com[Plx | oh no |
| 04:31:45 | Com[Plx | I orgot what I came here to ask. |
| 04:31:46 | Com[Plx | lol |
| 04:32:02 | Com[Plex | OH YEAH |
| 04:32:25 | Com[Plex | is there an emulator to make a windows CE or Palm OS app to run on the zaurus? |
| 04:32:31 | Com[Plex | IE icq for palm or CE |
| 04:32:38 | Com[Plex | http://www.icq.com/pda/ |
| 04:36:30 | BZFlag | Com[Plex: there is a palm emulator. xcopilot. requires X at the moment. |
| 04:36:48 | BZFlag | also there are many icq apps that should work natively. |
| 04:43:44 | Com[Plex | really? any graphical ones? besides tkc jabber |
| 04:45:33 | Fastolfe | Com[Plex: http://oss.lineo.com/fbvncserver/images/Zaurus_over_VNC5.jpg |
| 04:49:51 | ljp | anybody know how I can get the uid_t and gid_t for certain user/group? |
| 04:50:16 | Fastolfe | getuid :) |
| 04:50:24 | Fastolfe | getgid :)) |
| 04:50:44 | Fastolfe | oh, you mean for a user-name and group-name ?? |
| 04:50:59 | ljp | yes |
| 04:51:07 | Fastolfe | hmm hold on I can't remember |
| 04:51:41 | Fastolfe | you can always parse /etc/passwd and /etc/group, but I know there's a lib to do that |
| 04:52:37 | Fastolfe | ah yes |
| 04:52:39 | Fastolfe | getpwnam |
| 04:52:50 | Fastolfe | returns a struct with the user's uid and gid |
| 04:53:24 | Fastolfe | actually, you want getpwuid |
| 04:53:32 | Fastolfe | same function, different flavor |
| 04:55:20 | ljp | cool, that looks like it.. thanks! |
| 04:55:29 | Fastolfe | you bet |
| 04:58:21 | roge99 | is away: off to bed |
| 05:57:19 | ljp | hmm, ok, another question. Is there anyway to cast an int to mode_t ? |
| 05:57:29 | Fastolfe | what's mode_t ? |
| 05:57:36 | Fastolfe | from what func ? |
| 05:58:09 | Fastolfe | oh is it open ? |
| 05:58:20 | Fastolfe | yeah, it's an int |
| 06:00:50 | ljp | chmod |
| 06:01:04 | Fastolfe | it's still an int :) |
| 06:01:16 | Fastolfe | what are you trying to do ? |
| 06:01:30 | ljp | set permissions |
| 06:01:34 | Fastolfe | store the perms somewhere and use it in chmod ? |
| 06:01:40 | ljp | from a user input |
| 06:01:46 | Fastolfe | oic |
| 06:02:03 | ljp | and I am getting strange results |
| 06:02:13 | Fastolfe | if you want to be really portable, you have a mode_t var and you assign the int to it. The compiler does the type promotion |
| 06:02:25 | Fastolfe | but usually it's an int |
| 06:02:29 | Fastolfe | what results ? |
| 06:03:04 | Fastolfe | if you cast, you may get bizarre results |
| 06:03:09 | Fastolfe | cast != type promotion |
| 06:03:13 | ljp | like --wxrw--wT |
| 06:03:18 | Fastolfe | heh |
| 06:03:36 | ljp | what the heck IS that? |
| 06:03:36 | Fastolfe | try to set it to 0 |
| 06:03:54 | Fastolfe | then try to set it to I_RDUSR |
| 06:04:01 | Fastolfe | and see if setting only one bit works |
| 06:04:07 | ljp | how? can an int be 0775? |
| 06:04:21 | Fastolfe | oh dear |
| 06:04:31 | ljp | heh goofy me, eh? |
| 06:04:33 | Fastolfe | are you using 775 as the value ? |
| 06:04:37 | Oreo_Cookie | has a question |
| 06:04:40 | Fastolfe | 775 is octal |
| 06:04:54 | Fastolfe | you need to turn it into a decimal 1st |
| 06:05:13 | Fastolfe | sup oreo ? |
| 06:05:35 | Oreo_Cookie | I'm running the OpenZaurus latest (2.6) image and I'm trying to get my symbol wireless nic working on it... and I keep hitting different road blocks |
| 06:05:55 | Fastolfe | symbol == not supported |
| 06:06:17 | Oreo_Cookie | there is a driverset for it |
| 06:06:32 | Fastolfe | it needs firmware to be u/l to it. There's a wince driver for it that does that, but not under Linux |
| 06:06:41 | Fastolfe | BZFlag was looking into this |
| 06:07:02 | Oreo_Cookie | It's the latest firmware via my Jornada |
| 06:07:08 | Fastolfe | he said it'd be a matter of ripping off the firmware from wince, then write a little utility to u/l it to the card |
| 06:07:25 | Oreo_Cookie | you mean the interface? |
| 06:07:35 | Oreo_Cookie | I'm lost |
| 06:07:52 | Fastolfe | the symbol wlan card is like a winmodem : it only have a hardware but no firmware |
| 06:07:57 | Oreo_Cookie | I've got it running on my RH box w/the driver off sourceforge |
| 06:08:08 | Fastolfe | when you boot up, the cpu needs to upload the firmware to it |
| 06:08:15 | Oreo_Cookie | doh |
| 06:08:33 | Fastolfe | there's a RH driver for that ? |
| 06:08:34 | Oreo_Cookie | so even if the there is a hack for it eventually it's gonna be memory heavy |
| 06:09:00 | Fastolfe | no no, if you know of a driver that works for it, you should be able to port it |
| 06:09:05 | Fastolfe | I didn't know there was one |
| 06:09:34 | Fastolfe | the kernel needs to u/l the firmware in the card's memory |
| 06:09:50 | Fastolfe | Oreo_Cookie: what's the url for the driver in SF ? |
| 06:09:51 | Oreo_Cookie | there's 2 ... one that *just* got updated in november... and one that some guy hacked for the zaurus specifically ... I was trying to get the one he ported.. |
| 06:10:03 | Fastolfe | oic |
| 06:10:24 | Fastolfe | I'd love to try the Z hack |
| 06:11:14 | Oreo_Cookie | one sec... lemme look |
| 06:11:17 | Fastolfe | k |
| 06:12:14 | Oreo_Cookie | http://www.bitshift.org/wireless.shtml |
| 06:12:20 | Com[Plex | I saw the symbol lan working on a Z |
| 06:12:23 | Fastolfe | k |
| 06:12:24 | Com[Plex | let me get the url |
| 06:12:48 | Fastolfe | there's 2 of them, I was talking about the old one |
| 06:13:50 | Oreo_Cookie | I've got that driver in and configured... and I'm getting funky errors |
| 06:13:52 | Com[Plex | oh, im wrong, I saw the "Socket" lan card.. not the symbol |
| 06:14:19 | Fastolfe | Oreo_Cookie: k, gimme a minute, I'll go get the card |
| 06:15:31 | Fastolfe | alright let's try this |
| 06:15:37 | Fastolfe | q |
| 06:15:39 | Fastolfe | oops |
| 06:15:59 | Oreo_Cookie | gotta add it to pcmcia.conf etc..etc.. |
| 06:16:23 | Fastolfe | yeah, but first I want to see if I have the right card |
| 06:17:04 | Oreo_Cookie | H9pla4137P |
| 06:17:13 | Oreo_Cookie | fcc: id |
| 06:18:31 | Oreo_Cookie | is it just me... or is that driver blowing up modprobe |
| 06:18:53 | Fastolfe | it loads but doesn't recognize the card |
| 06:19:02 | Fastolfe | tries to tweak this and that |
| 06:19:17 | Oreo_Cookie | I had to mess with the setting in .conf |
| 06:19:22 | Oreo_Cookie | hang on here's what I've got |
| 06:20:09 | Oreo_Cookie | device "spectrum24t_cs" |
| 06:20:29 | Oreo_Cookie | class "wlan-ng" module "spectrum24t_cs" |
| 06:20:53 | Oreo_Cookie | card "Spectrum24 LA4100 Series WLAN PC Card" |
| 06:21:08 | Oreo_Cookie | manfind 0x026c, 0x001 |
| 06:21:17 | Oreo_Cookie | bind "spectrum24t_cs" |
| 06:21:35 | Oreo_Cookie | that's on the bottom of wlan-ng.conf |
| 06:22:20 | Oreo_Cookie | oop... correction manfind 0x026c, 0x0001 |
| 06:22:26 | Fastolfe | k lemme try |
| 06:26:55 | Oreo_Cookie | I got a another Q: while i'm at it... anyone have any success with the IBM Microdrives on the Z? |
| 06:27:35 | Fastolfe | yeah, they work find |
| 06:27:36 | Fastolfe | fine |
| 06:28:36 | Oreo_Cookie | sweet |
| 06:28:50 | Oreo_Cookie | I'm thinking about picking up a couple I'm getting tired of CF |
| 06:30:49 | Oreo_Cookie | even the Mr. Flash Cf's aren't really worth it anymore flashram needs to get cheaper for the capacity |
| 06:31:56 | Fastolfe | I have the old card |
| 06:31:57 | Fastolfe | won't work |
| 06:32:09 | Oreo_Cookie | 2mbps card? |
| 06:32:19 | Fastolfe | no, 802.11b but the old version |
| 06:32:29 | Fastolfe | the one that has no firmware on board |
| 06:32:34 | Oreo_Cookie | doh |
| 06:32:40 | Oreo_Cookie | I guess I have the same one then |
| 06:32:45 | Fastolfe | is yours orange ? |
| 06:32:49 | Oreo_Cookie | nope |
| 06:32:50 | Oreo_Cookie | blue |
| 06:33:00 | Fastolfe | you must have the newer one then |
| 06:33:14 | Oreo_Cookie | baaah |
| 06:33:20 | Oreo_Cookie | and it still doesn't work |
| 06:33:22 | Fastolfe | mine has fcc id : |
| 06:33:34 | Fastolfe | H9PLA4137P |
| 06:33:52 | Fastolfe | hmm probably don't mean anything tho |
| 06:34:07 | Oreo_Cookie | I have the same ID... although yeah... I don't know if it means anything |
| 06:34:46 | Fastolfe | Mine has serial # : 8510-00188 A, and then under that there's another number that is : 0110000280 |
| 06:35:14 | Fastolfe | lemme check on socket's site |
| 06:36:20 | Fastolfe | that's the one I have here : http://www.socketcom.com/images/wlan/wlan_225x225.gif |
| 06:37:09 | Fastolfe | the only blue card they seem to have is a bluetooth card. hmm |
| 06:37:36 | Oreo_Cookie | mine must be older than the orange one |
| 06:38:56 | Fastolfe | well, maybe the old one I have and the new one they make are both orange, and yours is even older than that :) |
| 06:39:06 | Fastolfe | when was it made ? |
| 06:39:29 | Oreo_Cookie | doh it's a symbol man... I feel dense... |
| 06:39:50 | Fastolfe | grr |
| 06:40:02 | Fastolfe | bashes Oreo with a large baseball bat |
| 06:40:03 | Fastolfe | :) |
| 06:40:12 | Oreo_Cookie | wait a minute |
| 06:40:35 | Oreo_Cookie | If mine's a .. symbol and yours is a socket... why do they have the same fcc id? |
| 06:40:47 | Fastolfe | ah, good question :) |
| 06:40:50 | Fastolfe | finds out |
| 06:40:54 | Oreo_Cookie | http://wwwdrop.symbol.com/products/wireless/WF_2.jpg |
| 06:41:29 | Fastolfe | symbol and socket seem to be partners for certain products. |
| 06:41:39 | Fastolfe | Symbol usually manufactures barcode stuffs |
| 06:41:57 | Fastolfe | and socket seems to carry Symbol barcode products with a socket label |
| 06:42:28 | Oreo_Cookie | so maybe they are the same card with different stickers? : P |
| 06:42:37 | Fastolfe | yeah, looks the same dont it |
| 06:42:38 | Fastolfe | :) |
| 06:42:47 | Fastolfe | same sticker layout and all |
| 06:43:29 | Oreo_Cookie | gotta go ... woman calls |
| 06:43:32 | Fastolfe | k |
| 06:43:33 | Fastolfe | seeya |
| 07:18:10 | ljp | opie now has a file permissions dialog |
| 07:22:06 | ljp | maybe I'll add it to FileManager.. hehehehe |
| 08:10:48 | ][N-Flux | http://www.xs4all.nl/~elout/zab0/ |
| 09:48:12 | | kergoth was last seen on #opie 1 days, 9 hours, 46 minutes and 5 seconds ago, saying: again. [Sat Feb 23 00:02:07 2002] |
| 09:48:12 | Fastolfe | ibot seen kergoth |
| 09:58:27 | Gary | Hello |
| 10:10:39 | Guest | Anybody talking ? |
| 10:55:08 | scanline | is back (gone 09:00:39) |
| 10:55:30 | | whardier was last seen on #zaurus 14 hours, 2 minutes and 7 seconds ago, saying: gets the buzzer [Sat Feb 23 20:53:23 2002] |
| 10:55:30 | scanline | ibot, seen whardier? |
| 10:59:27 | fusion94 | is away: 3:00am time for bed |
| 11:31:32 | codemnky | anyone awake? |
| 11:32:16 | scanline | waves |
| 11:32:22 | codemnky | hey |
| 11:32:26 | scanline | hi |
| 11:32:51 | codemnky | have you heard when sharp will release a serial cable for the Z? |
| 11:33:55 | scanline | nope |
| 11:34:12 | codemnky | ok |
| 11:35:11 | codemnky | bye :) |
| 12:12:38 | codemnky | still awake scan? |
| 12:12:45 | scanline | yes |
| 12:12:54 | codemnky | can i ask you a linux question? |
| 12:13:05 | scanline | probably |
| 12:13:05 | codemnky | :) |
| 12:13:20 | scanline | is wearing thinkgeek's "No, I will not fix your computer." shirt |
| 12:13:36 | scanline | but as long as your computer's not broken it should be fine |
| 12:14:02 | codemnky | i am trying to figure out what's running on a certain port, what command can i run (on the host) to see what program is listening on that port |
| 12:14:33 | codemnky | it's showing up as 25/tcp filtered smtp, but i know it's not smtp |
| 12:14:57 | scanline | try "fuser -n TCP 25" |
| 12:15:07 | scanline | oops |
| 12:15:26 | scanline | make that a lowercase tcp |
| 12:15:50 | scanline | hmm... |
| 12:16:20 | codemnky | hmm, didn't return a result, but that looks like a usfull command |
| 12:16:34 | scanline | ah, this works for me: |
| 12:16:34 | codemnky | i think it might be ntp |
| 12:16:44 | scanline | fuser ssh/tcp |
| 12:16:49 | scanline | ssh/tcp: 857 |
| 12:16:57 | scanline | i had to run it as root |
| 12:17:05 | scanline | but it should return the PID of the process owning the socket |
| 12:17:26 | codemnky | that's what i'm looking for |
| 12:18:16 | scanline | if you stick a -v switch on there you get more info including the name of the command |
| 12:18:17 | codemnky | hmm |
| 12:19:38 | codemnky | darn, it - nmap says: Port State Service |
| 12:19:38 | codemnky | 25/tcp filtered smtp |
| 12:19:38 | codemnky | 80/tcp open htt |
| 12:19:49 | codemnky | but fuser -v smtp/tcp says, nothing |
| 12:19:56 | codemnky | it does work however for ssh/httpd |
| 12:20:01 | codemnky | i'll keep poking at it |
| 12:20:07 | codemnky | i do appriciate your help |
| 12:20:12 | scanline | no problem |
| 12:42:37 | codemnky | i'm thinking nmap is returning bogus in |
| 12:42:38 | codemnky | fo |
| 12:42:58 | codemnky | but that's prob unlikely i guess |
| 12:43:05 | scanline | well, IIRC "filtered" doesn't necessarily mean that there's a server on that port |
| 12:43:41 | codemnky | ok, thx, i'll look into what that does mean exactly, heh, i guess in need to know that. :) |
| 12:44:07 | codemnky | it's too early in the morning |
| 12:44:53 | codemnky | do you know of some good linux sysadmin type irc channels? so i can ask these questions in there? |
| 12:45:29 | bipolar | is back (gone 21:43:55) |
| 12:45:38 | scanline | codemnky: maybe #linux? |
| 12:45:41 | scanline | hi bibolar |
| 12:45:52 | scanline | bipolar: I've got some OpenZaurus questions if you don't mind :) |
| 12:46:14 | bipolar | scanline: I'll see what I can do. I'm not really an OZ guy though. |
| 12:46:26 | scanline | ok |
| 12:47:01 | scanline | main thing i'm confused about is that the buildroot in CVS doesn't build Opie, ipkg, or anything but busybox, libraries, and other command line tools |
| 12:47:25 | scanline | is there a procedure somewhere explaining how the ROM images available for download were compiled? |
| 12:47:44 | codemnky | yes |
| 12:47:48 | codemnky | on the sharp site |
| 12:47:53 | codemnky | or do you mean for openz? |
| 12:48:00 | scanline | yes, for openzaurus |
| 12:48:08 | codemnky | kergoth did the build |
| 12:48:35 | scanline | ah.. is this one of those projects where only one person knows how to compile it? :) |
| 12:49:05 | bipolar | scanline: kergoth is still building the new buildsystem. :) |
| 12:49:09 | codemnky | well, i think he's trying to get it off the ground, http://www.openzaurus.org and whardier knows alot about it too |
| 12:49:44 | scanline | openzaurus.org doesn't seem to have any more than a logo on it |
| 12:49:56 | codemnky | the link is there to the source forge site |
| 12:50:01 | scanline | right |
| 12:50:17 | scanline | all i see there are the compiled images and the CVS tree |
| 12:50:38 | codemnky | ok, i'm sure if you see kergoth online he can point ya in the right direction |
| 12:50:45 | scanline | ok, thanks |
| 12:53:34 | codemnky | i looked at about 50 cell phones yesterday trying to find one that might work with the Z that was reliable |
| 12:53:38 | codemnky | man, what a mess |
| 12:54:42 | codemnky | when i mention IrDa or infrared all the sales guys said, huh/ |
| 13:03:00 | bipolar_away | is away: I'm not here... Really.... |
| 14:09:03 | davie | hello everybody!!! |
| 14:09:12 | scanline | hi |
| 14:09:26 | davie | does anyone know if the SanDisk UltraCF works on Z? |
| 14:10:01 | scanline | what's that? |
| 14:10:24 | davie | 1The Ultra Compact Flash card |
| 14:10:40 | davie | 9The Ultra Compact Flash card |
| 14:11:00 | davie | 11which is 3-4 times faster than ordinary CF card |
| 14:11:00 | scanline | suddenly wishes this channel was +c |
| 14:11:50 | davie | and do anyone know if CF Lan cards from Eagletec or Billionton works on Z? |
| 14:12:40 | davie | it's so silent here |
| 14:13:49 | file | coughs |
| 14:14:04 | scanline | wants some of that pizza file's making |
| 14:14:25 | file | pops in another microwavable pizza |
| 14:14:28 | file | Coming right up! |
| 14:14:33 | scanline | yummm |
| 14:14:40 | file | ::4-6 minutes later:: |
| 14:14:46 | file | gives scanline the bubbling pizza |
| 14:14:46 | scanline | breakfast doesn't open until late on sundays :( |
| 14:14:49 | scanline | yumm |
| 14:16:40 | file | scanline: how late? |
| 14:16:47 | scanline | 11:00 AM i think |
| 14:16:52 | scanline | it's 7:19 AM right now |
| 14:17:03 | file | too late! |
| 14:17:11 | scanline | yes |
| 14:17:45 | file | so make some ramen noodles |
| 14:18:21 | scanline | i don't feel like ramens... |
| 14:18:28 | scanline | i want pizza |
| 14:18:37 | file | make a pizza |
| 14:18:44 | scanline | i don't have any left |
| 14:18:51 | file | go buy one |
| 14:18:57 | scanline | store's not open yet |
| 14:18:58 | file | oh right... it's earlty |
| 14:19:13 | scanline | maybe i'll have some mountain dew for breakfast |
| 14:19:30 | file | is all you have is ramen's? |
| 14:19:54 | scanline | ramens, and a large assortment of drugs |
| 14:19:59 | scanline | drugs == caffeine in various forms |
| 14:20:16 | file | that's it?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! |
| 14:20:26 | scanline | checks his closet and refrigerator |
| 14:20:29 | file | you need... microwavable stuff, and lots of it |
| 14:21:51 | scanline | i have coffee |
| 14:21:58 | scanline | but that falls under the 'drugs' category still |
| 14:22:06 | scanline | gets some mountain dew |
| 14:22:39 | scanline | yumm... code red |
| 14:22:39 | jolin | is away: I'm busy |
| 14:22:47 | file | great |
| 14:22:50 | file | my SSH client is dead |
| 14:22:57 | jolin | is back (gone 00:00:18) |
| 14:22:58 | file | scanline: code red? yuck |
| 14:23:51 | file | scanline: how about Pepsi Twist? |
| 14:23:59 | scanline | i've never tried it |
| 14:24:12 | file | don't, it's... weird |
| 14:24:39 | scanline | what's that stuff Firefox was talking about, that's only available in the UK... |
| 14:24:40 | scanline | pepsi max? |
| 14:25:15 | file | dunno |
| 14:37:45 | jolin | amsg |
| 14:38:04 | jolin | sdf |
| 15:39:57 | | fastolfe was last seen on #zaurus 5 hours, 51 minutes and 45 seconds ago, saying: ibot seen kergoth [Sun Feb 24 09:48:12 2002] |
| 15:39:57 | weimer | ibot: seen fastolfe |
| 15:41:39 | ljp | ha thats kinda funny |
| 15:42:22 | weimer | ljp: ? |
| 15:44:31 | ljp | fastolfe last seen saying ibot: seen kergoth |
| 15:46:34 | | kergoth was last seen on #opie 1 days, 15 hours, 44 minutes and 27 seconds ago, saying: again. [Sat Feb 23 00:02:07 2002] |
| 15:46:34 | scanline | ibot: seen kergoth? |
| 15:46:42 | weimer | lol |
| 15:52:13 | whardier | hi |
| 15:53:43 | scanline | hi |
| 15:54:36 | scanline | how's this for a background: http://picogui.org/download/pg_zaurus.png |
| 15:56:12 | scanline | whardier: codemnky was telling me kergoth would be the best person to ask, but since i know you work on openzaurus maybe you could answer a question or two for me? |
| 15:58:10 | scanline | main thing i've been wondering is, how were the downloadable openzaurus roms compiled? |
| 15:58:18 | scanline | buildroot only seems to be a small piece of it |
| 16:04:11 | whardier | looks good |
| 16:04:28 | whardier | buildroot is all of it |
| 16:04:35 | whardier | it downloads everything needed |
| 16:04:45 | whardier | like do a make linux |
| 16:04:48 | scanline | ok... so maybe i'm just missing something |
| 16:04:54 | whardier | or the buildroot is |
| 16:04:56 | whardier | HOW ABOUT THIS |
| 16:05:02 | scanline | i did "make openzaurus" and then flashed the resulting images to my zaurus |
| 16:05:03 | whardier | I DEDICATE TODAY TO MAKING BUILDROOT HAPPIER |
| 16:05:08 | scanline | hehe |
| 16:05:16 | file | holds a celebration |
| 16:05:25 | whardier | or maybe I should find a woman |
| 16:05:28 | file | YAH!!!! |
| 16:05:32 | scanline | so buildroot really is sad, and i'm not just build-system-impaired? |
| 16:05:41 | whardier | no its prety happy |
| 16:05:46 | whardier | just not so happy its funny |
| 16:05:54 | scanline | :) |
| 16:05:54 | whardier | brb.. running to the convenient sore |
| 16:05:58 | whardier | gonna go pick up a woman |
| 16:05:59 | whardier | heh |
| 16:06:06 | scanline | sips his breakfast mountain dew |
| 16:06:12 | whardier | thats what I need |
| 16:06:19 | ljp | on Sunday? |
| 16:06:27 | scanline | why not? |
| 16:06:28 | ljp | where ya gonna find one- church? |
| 16:06:47 | scanline | has a thinkgeek caffeine sampler pack in the closet |
| 16:07:04 | scanline | found out that Whoop Ass has a cool name, but tastes pretty bad |
| 16:07:36 | file | notes GIMP has loaded and has displayed scanline's image |
| 16:07:38 | file | quite nice |
| 16:08:04 | scanline | file: thanks. Though i can't use that background on a real zaurus 'till i compile libjpeg for it |
| 16:08:14 | file | nods |
| 16:08:17 | scanline | i suppose i could convert the bitmap to a PNG or BMP, but that would be cheating :) |
| 16:08:27 | file | cheating is almost always easier |
| 16:08:31 | scanline | err, not PNG |
| 16:08:39 | scanline | png and jpeg both require libraries |
| 16:08:44 | scanline | the rest of the formats are self-contained |
| 16:08:55 | file | GIMP for Windows is actually nice, and stable |
| 16:09:12 | scanline | gimp sucks with click-to-focus |
| 16:15:41 | whardier | woot |
| 16:15:56 | whardier | ljp heh.. yeah.. on a sunday |
| 16:16:00 | whardier | undera bridge |
| 16:16:10 | roge99 | is back (gone 11:17:49) |
| 16:16:14 | whardier | just sticks to sippin mtn dew |
| 16:16:30 | scanline | walks across a broken mirror under a ladder |
| 16:16:44 | whardier | shakes salt at scanline |
| 16:16:45 | ljp | just sticks with working on opies mediaplayer |
| 16:16:56 | whardier | coool |
| 16:17:04 | whardier | ljp :) |
| 16:17:09 | whardier | ever heard of curl? |
| 16:17:19 | ljp | me? ya |
| 16:17:37 | ljp | is that a hint? |
| 16:17:39 | whardier | are there better things than libcurl for making streaming a possibility? |
| 16:17:44 | scanline | ljp: you know what would really be cool.. i'm planning on doing this for picogui's media player. When it's playing, have an option to display the song info and the play/stop/next/etc. controls on a thin toolbar on the edge of the screen when you switch to another app |
| 16:17:59 | scanline | ljp: kinda like xmms when the window is shaded |
| 16:18:23 | ljp | ahh.. a minimized version.. hmmm |
| 16:18:38 | whardier | scanline picogui looks pretty good.. |
| 16:18:59 | scanline | debugs the textbox widget so it will work good too... |
| 16:19:08 | whardier | I am guessing that was a zaurus skin ? |
| 16:19:14 | scanline | yup |
| 16:19:18 | whardier | ok |
| 16:19:25 | scanline | the keyboard mostly works (no function/shift keys) |
| 16:19:32 | whardier | nice to see another blackbox user |
| 16:19:43 | scanline | yup |
| 16:19:58 | scanline | i have two monitors on my development box, and right now i'm running ion on one and blackbox on the other |
| 16:21:07 | whardier | hah |
| 16:21:12 | whardier | pwm is mucho neat as well dewd |
| 16:21:18 | whardier | I suggest playing with that if you have not yet |
| 16:21:31 | whardier | supports categorizable tabbed windows |
| 16:21:31 | scanline | Yeah, i have a friend that has been telling me about pwm |
| 16:21:36 | ljp | would use blackbox if he took the time to get bbkeys running and configured |
| 16:21:46 | whardier | lately it has been E |
| 16:21:52 | whardier | I usually go a month on both |
| 16:21:55 | scanline | right now i'm using a Matrox G450 for dualhead |
| 16:22:05 | whardier | wants a gforce4 dual head |
| 16:22:06 | scanline | but the 3D acceleration on the G450 sucks |
| 16:22:25 | scanline | so i got a Geforce 3 in the mail on thursday :) |
| 16:22:27 | whardier | hey scanling |
| 16:22:37 | whardier | I have downloaded and installed just about everything for pgserver |
| 16:22:44 | whardier | how do I change the damn nabbed theme |
| 16:23:12 | scanline | either put "-t theme.th" on the pgserver command line, or add a "themes = theme.th" in the [pgserver] section of the config file |
| 16:23:48 | whardier | what is a .ths? |
| 16:23:55 | scanline | theme source code |
| 16:24:04 | scanline | you use themec to compile them into a .th |
| 16:24:19 | whardier | otay |
| 16:24:29 | scanline | the theme compiler is pretty nifty, but if you'd rather just get binary themes you can snag them off picogui.org |
| 16:24:38 | scanline | we also have a theme decompiler :) |
| 16:25:26 | whardier | ok scanline |
| 16:25:29 | whardier | picogui is pretty cool |
| 16:25:36 | scanline | thanks |
| 16:25:37 | whardier | congrats on being smart |
| 16:25:44 | file | screams |
| 16:25:48 | file | I almost started Netscrape! |
| 16:25:53 | whardier | it happens |
| 16:26:12 | scanline | file: what browser do you normally use? |
| 16:26:19 | file | IE. |
| 16:26:25 | scanline | screams |
| 16:26:32 | file | Opera doesn't work for me |
| 16:26:34 | scanline | use galeon :P |
| 16:26:37 | whardier | use mozilla |
| 16:26:38 | file | after 30 seconds DNS lookups don't work |
| 16:26:43 | file | in Windows? |
| 16:26:46 | whardier | sure |
| 16:26:49 | whardier | mozilla in windows |
| 16:26:53 | whardier | or even worse |
| 16:27:03 | whardier | you could use IE to see if your dns servers even work : |
| 16:27:05 | whardier | P |
| 16:27:12 | file | bah |
| 16:27:32 | whardier | ok |
| 16:27:34 | file | stuffs whardier into GIMP and executes noisify |
| 16:27:37 | whardier | I learned a neat trick yesterday |
| 16:27:39 | whardier | you guys ready? |
| 16:27:47 | scanline | i think so |
| 16:27:49 | whardier | Littla Juan Burritos.. |
| 16:27:59 | whardier | fry then in veggi oil |
| 16:28:06 | whardier | make chimi changas! |
| 16:28:13 | whardier | add stokes green chili |
| 16:28:15 | file | scanline doesn't cook |
| 16:28:16 | whardier | & cheese |
| 16:28:18 | scanline | can't cook |
| 16:28:18 | file | and neither do I |
| 16:28:21 | whardier | and it is fucking GOOD |
| 16:28:23 | whardier | neither do |
| 16:28:24 | whardier | I |
| 16:28:33 | scanline | you see, there are two reasons i can't cook- |
| 16:28:36 | scanline | 1. i can't cook |
| 16:28:37 | whardier | but I thought I would share that.. because if I can do it.. so can you |
| 16:28:45 | scanline | 2. i have nothing but a microwave and coffee pot |
| 16:28:51 | whardier | scanline hahaha |
| 16:29:00 | scanline | but then again, ickysneeze is planning on making soup in the coffee pot next semester |
| 16:29:04 | file | scanline: when will you get PicoGUI on your coffee pot?!?!?!?!?! I can't believe your clock had priority over it |
| 16:29:11 | scanline | haha |
| 16:29:27 | scanline | hmm... |
| 16:29:35 | scanline | thinks about how to write a picogui video driver for the coffee pot |
| 16:29:44 | scanline | well, you've got one pixel, and it's black&white |
| 16:29:51 | whardier | hehe |
| 16:29:59 | whardier | you would be amazed what you can do with water |
| 16:30:08 | file | scanline: upgrade it's LCD |
| 16:30:10 | file | :) |
| 16:30:17 | scanline | file: it has no LCD, it was a cheap coffee pot |
| 16:30:18 | whardier | anyhoot.. anybody in the ft collins Colorado area wanna help me out with a spiral based holography machine? |
| 16:30:24 | file | scanline: uh, put one in? |
| 16:30:26 | scanline | ft collins? |
| 16:30:31 | scanline | whardier: i'm in boulder |
| 16:30:33 | whardier | haha |
| 16:30:34 | whardier | rule |
| 16:30:45 | whardier | lots of coloradoans in here |
| 16:30:50 | scanline | neato |
| 16:30:51 | whardier | we must be a smart state |
| 16:30:57 | scanline | obviously :) |
| 16:30:59 | file | scanline: if you had enough money to get a Zaurus you have enough to put an LCD in your coffee pot |
| 16:31:19 | whardier | file: its the putting a new DSP in the coffe pot |
| 16:31:20 | whardier | heh |
| 16:31:22 | scanline | file: right-o. I have a couple extra 16x2 LCD, i could wire one up |
| 16:31:23 | file | get a temperature sensor! it'll tell you exactly when your coffee's just the right temperature |
| 16:31:30 | whardier | I have a 40x4 |
| 16:31:31 | scanline | ooh |
| 16:31:34 | whardier | is that overkill? |
| 16:31:38 | scanline | whardier: my 40x4 is cooler :P |
| 16:31:43 | whardier | also has a 320x240 tft NTSC one |
| 16:31:45 | scanline | whardier: unless yours is running picogui too |
| 16:31:47 | ljp | sanline: I'm in Longmont |
| 16:31:54 | whardier | scanline its an HD44780 |
| 16:31:59 | scanline | whardier: yes, so is mine |
| 16:32:06 | file | scanline: show him the PicoGUI clock. |
| 16:32:07 | whardier | most are :) |
| 16:32:21 | scanline | whardier: http://picogui.org/download/im000337.jpg |
| 16:32:35 | file | it spits out the last said thing from #picogui |
| 16:32:37 | whardier | haha |
| 16:32:38 | file | and you'll soon be able to send mail to it |
| 16:32:47 | whardier | I am hurt to show you I am also a maintainer of LCDproc |
| 16:32:48 | whardier | haha |
| 16:32:59 | scanline | whardier: ahh... LCDproc is cool |
| 16:33:10 | whardier | it makes me happy |
| 16:33:13 | scanline | whardier: at the time i got my LCD set up i don't think lcdproc supported 40x4's yet |
| 16:33:18 | whardier | too bad all my 20x4's I fried |
| 16:33:30 | whardier | my 40x4 is not doing well |
| 16:33:39 | whardier | I am gonna write a glide/gl driver for LCDproc |
| 16:33:44 | scanline | :) |
| 16:33:51 | whardier | so that I can use old monster 3d's and 320x240 displays |
| 16:33:51 | whardier | hah |
| 16:33:53 | whardier | from eio.com |
| 16:34:37 | whardier | I wanna write a QT driver for lcdproc :) |
| 16:34:43 | whardier | wouldn't that be convenient |
| 16:34:49 | scanline | i wanna write a picogui driver for it :) |
| 16:34:53 | file | yawns |
| 16:34:58 | file | I should do my homework |
| 16:35:07 | scanline | that way i could have my picogui clock app on the left side, and lcdproc on the right |
| 16:35:24 | whardier | scanline are there similarities in QT vs PicoGUI's widget set? |
| 16:35:44 | scanline | whardier: probably not, but i don't know hardly anything about Qt at this point |
| 16:36:03 | whardier | well how intuitive is your widget set :) |
| 16:36:13 | file | scanline: think my school would like it if I setup a Cybiko network and restricted it to usage only during breaks/lunch/weekends? |
| 16:36:38 | whardier | me pops in NIN and shoots painballs at the church next door |
| 16:37:01 | scanline | whardier: i'd say it's intuitive, but then again i'm used to it. You create widgets, set their properties, get events... |
| 16:37:37 | whardier | hey scanline .. pico gui is pretty fucking fast :) |
| 16:37:43 | scanline | whardier: picogui's definitely got some unconventional aspects... but then again that's why i wrote it |
| 16:37:53 | whardier | I am used to Python/GTK |
| 16:37:56 | scanline | you bet! it's designed to be usable on a Dragonball CPU :) |
| 16:38:01 | whardier | I wrote a Point of Sale system in it |
| 16:38:13 | scanline | Heard of anygui? |
| 16:38:17 | whardier | newp |
| 16:38:30 | scanline | It's a GUI-independent GUI for python (if that makes any sense) |
| 16:38:31 | whardier | its it an abstraction layer for multiple guis :) |
| 16:38:39 | file | ack |
| 16:38:40 | file | I can't find my homework |
| 16:38:41 | scanline | yes |
| 16:38:47 | whardier | dude |
| 16:38:47 | file | oh here it is... |
| 16:38:52 | scanline | picogui might have an anygui client lib soon |
| 16:39:03 | whardier | my friend ToyKeeper would love you for mentioning that |
| 16:39:14 | scanline | hehe |
| 16:39:19 | scanline | anygui maintainer? |
| 16:39:25 | whardier | DUDE! |
| 16:39:28 | scanline | author? |
| 16:39:31 | whardier | no |
| 16:39:32 | file | lol |
| 16:39:33 | whardier | just a coder |
| 16:39:36 | whardier | he wrote woody |
| 16:39:42 | whardier | I dunno if you ever heard of it |
| 16:39:45 | whardier | apt-get install woody |
| 16:39:46 | scanline | woody the debian distro? :) |
| 16:39:47 | whardier | its like brainforest |
| 16:39:49 | file | come on... load this page |
| 16:39:58 | whardier | file: get a new computer! |
| 16:40:08 | ljp | heh you said woody |
| 16:40:12 | whardier | that I did |
| 16:40:17 | whardier | I use woody to organize my thoughts |
| 16:40:20 | whardier | haha |
| 16:40:42 | whardier | I use woody all the time |
| 16:40:47 | whardier | I even use woody in front of other guys |
| 16:40:58 | whardier | I showed a good friend woody last night |
| 16:41:01 | file | it's a Canadian website, you can't expect fast speeds |
| 16:41:11 | whardier | file: what! |
| 16:41:33 | whardier | you wanna start a war buddy.. you better hush hush.. there might be some of those little bastards in this channel |
| 16:41:41 | file | is Canadian |
| 16:41:45 | whardier | oh |
| 16:41:45 | whardier | heh |
| 16:41:56 | whardier | hows the weather up there eh! |
| 16:41:57 | scanline | whardier: the big deal with picogui's widget set is that there's a lot of separation between content and presentation. It's impossible to specify x,y coordinates for a widget (at least until we can put other widgets inside a canvas) and to set any sort of visual characteristics of a widget like color, background, etc you put it in a theme object |
| 16:42:06 | file | :) |
| 16:42:10 | scanline | themes defini the appearance, the code only defines the logic |
| 16:42:12 | file | it's snowing and cold |
| 16:42:14 | whardier | scanline I am used to that |
| 16:42:17 | scanline | s/defini/define/ |
| 16:42:21 | scanline | ok, cool |
| 16:42:27 | whardier | basically howI used gtk |
| 16:42:40 | scanline | a lot of people come from fltk or PalmOS and think "what the hell?" |
| 16:42:46 | whardier | there is no picogui in anygui |
| 16:42:48 | whardier | dude |
| 16:42:49 | whardier | get started |
| 16:42:52 | scanline | not yet |
| 16:42:59 | scanline | hey, i don't even know python yet... |
| 16:43:04 | whardier | is picogui socket/network baseD? |
| 16:43:10 | whardier | scanline its really wasy |
| 16:43:15 | whardier | make a file example.py |
| 16:43:18 | scanline | LoneTech's the one who's probably going to write the anygui bindings |
| 16:43:19 | whardier | print "Hello World" |
| 16:43:22 | whardier | then exit |
| 16:43:23 | whardier | heh |
| 16:43:26 | scanline | yes, i know python's easy :) |
| 16:43:33 | file | eh? |
| 16:43:34 | scanline | picogui is network-transparent |
| 16:43:42 | whardier | scanline hehehe |
| 16:43:46 | whardier | neet |
| 16:43:48 | scanline | right now it only supports TCP/IP and unix sockets, but soon we'll have support for just about anything |
| 16:44:03 | whardier | so a python port would be easier than I thought |
| 16:44:08 | scanline | yes |
| 16:44:49 | whardier | where is the shadowed modal windows theme> |
| 16:44:50 | whardier | ? |
| 16:45:06 | scanline | one goal of picogui is for all the client libraries to be independent. Since the client library is relatively simple, the Python client lib for example shouldn't have to call the C client lib. Language independence! |
| 16:45:10 | scanline | that one's nifty3d |
| 16:45:21 | whardier | Augh.. my cat is flipping the pages in a Victorias Secret magazine |
| 16:45:24 | scanline | actually, i want to move the drop shadow code into a separate theme so you can combine it with other themes easily |
| 16:46:00 | scanline | moves the drop shadow code |
| 16:46:07 | file | homework is done |
| 16:46:20 | whardier | ooooh |
| 16:46:22 | file | well, half of it |
| 16:46:23 | whardier | that is pretty fucking tight |
| 16:46:35 | scanline | yea, and it's not even alpha blending :) |
| 16:46:57 | whardier | it doesn't have too |
| 16:47:00 | whardier | its a shadow |
| 16:47:03 | file | my thumb smells like imitation barbecue flavor |
| 16:47:09 | whardier | shadows do not apply positive pixels |
| 16:47:13 | scanline | yep |
| 16:47:22 | scanline | it just multiplies a shadow mask with the background |
| 16:47:24 | whardier | however it is a little goofy |
| 16:47:50 | whardier | I can see the outside lines of the shadow mask |
| 16:47:53 | whardier | LCD |
| 16:48:03 | scanline | hmm? |
| 16:48:09 | whardier | hold on |
| 16:48:23 | Benny19 | was jonas luster (jluster) here last time? |
| 16:48:32 | | I haven't seen 'jluster', file |
| 16:48:32 | file | ibot seen jluster |
| 16:48:55 | scanline | is this with a skin that tints the display? the extra color conversion could make the edge of the shadow visible |
| 16:49:02 | Benny19 | okay! |
| 16:49:10 | Benny19 | bye |
| 16:49:43 | whardier | http://vash.umgllc.com/damn.png |
| 16:49:59 | whardier | that is a level adjusted pic for showing theoutside of the shadow mask |
| 16:50:21 | whardier | 16 bit SDL |
| 16:50:31 | scanline | ah... 5-6-5 color? |
| 16:50:34 | whardier | yeah |
| 16:50:35 | whardier | err |
| 16:50:36 | whardier | hold on |
| 16:50:41 | whardier | I wanna double check that |
| 16:50:53 | scanline | it's a green tint, so that would make since |
| 16:51:15 | whardier | (==) FBDev(0): RGB weight 565 |
| 16:51:18 | scanline | looks like a bug in the 16-bit color conversion |
| 16:51:38 | whardier | doh |
| 16:51:39 | scanline | it's converting the white in the shadow mask and getting a slightly green color |
| 16:51:45 | whardier | well 565 is what the Zaurus uses |
| 16:51:54 | scanline | i'll take a look at that, should be easily fixed |
| 16:52:18 | whardier | scanline I usually just normalize colors for masks like that |
| 16:52:48 | file | dances |
| 16:53:17 | scanline | whardier: well, either way white in 5-6-5 color should map to pure white in 24-bit color |
| 16:53:50 | file | Microsoft to provide Windows Source Code |
| 16:53:52 | file | is scared |
| 16:54:35 | whardier | I am in love with picogui! |
| 16:54:43 | scanline | :) |
| 16:54:46 | file | whardier: good |
| 16:55:08 | whardier | no really |
| 16:55:11 | whardier | humps scanline |
| 16:55:21 | scanline | uh oh |
| 16:55:26 | file | hides |
| 16:55:28 | whardier | haha |
| 16:55:32 | whardier | comes after file next |
| 16:55:47 | file | hits whardier with the buggy PicoLinux 2.4.0 kernel |
| 16:55:50 | file | AWAY! GET AWAY! |
| 16:57:36 | whardier | how well does waba work? |
| 16:58:08 | scanline | it's not bad. Though you cant use real picogui widgets yet, so it's functionally equivalent to an emulator at this stage |
| 16:58:18 | whardier | what about under gtk |
| 16:58:31 | whardier | will it shut up the java developers that wanna use OpenZaurus? |
| 16:58:38 | scanline | :) |
| 16:58:45 | scanline | waba works under gtk |
| 16:58:54 | whardier | gtk/qt same diff :) |
| 16:59:05 | whardier | there needs to be a libqtgtk |
| 16:59:16 | scanline | i don't think it does qt yet, but it shouldn't be hard to port |
| 16:59:36 | scanline | waba has it's own widget set, so you just need to provide simple drawing functions |
| 16:59:45 | whardier | ah |
| 16:59:53 | whardier | do you know if it supports swing? |
| 17:00:03 | scanline | i'm pretty sure it wouldn't |
| 17:00:11 | whardier | just awt |
| 17:00:17 | scanline | not awt either |
| 17:00:21 | whardier | heh |
| 17:00:23 | whardier | doh |
| 17:00:30 | whardier | so its VERY own widget set |
| 17:00:30 | scanline | Waba is a subset of the Java language, with its own class libraries |
| 17:00:34 | scanline | yep |
| 17:00:46 | whardier | funky |
| 17:00:52 | file | needs a book for programming in C |
| 17:01:00 | scanline | problem is, most Waba apps expect to be running at 160x160 |
| 17:01:12 | whardier | hahaha |
| 17:01:14 | whardier | no shit! |
| 17:01:25 | scanline | waba widgets are always positioned with x,y coordinates, and most don't scale well |
| 17:02:02 | whardier | they should make that a little more tangible |
| 17:02:48 | whardier | haha |
| 17:02:57 | whardier | picogui on a dreamcast would be nice |
| 17:03:04 | whardier | X is too slow |
| 17:03:11 | whardier | and it only has 16 megs of ram |
| 17:03:34 | scanline | it scares me that the Z has 32MB of ram and Qt still manages to run out of memory |
| 17:03:43 | whardier | heh |
| 17:03:55 | whardier | they have a HUGE file for embedded images |
| 17:04:00 | whardier | nothing is on the fly in QT |
| 17:04:00 | whardier | heh |
| 17:04:06 | scanline | haha |
| 17:04:13 | Twiun | I heard... java! |
| 17:04:20 | whardier | STFU Twiun ! |
| 17:04:26 | whardier | check out waba |
| 17:04:28 | Twiun | grins |
| 17:04:31 | scanline | picogui themes can do the bitmap slice-and-dice thing (that's what the aqua theme does) or do vector graphics |
| 17:04:31 | whardier | waba.sourceforge.net |
| 17:04:44 | Twiun | waba looks nice, but I'd really, really like swing |
| 17:04:49 | whardier | kitty in my face |
| 17:05:04 | Twiun | or at least the new collection classes |
| 17:05:20 | whardier | make a lib for waba |
| 17:05:21 | whardier | eh |
| 17:05:28 | scanline | Twiun: so would Swing run in 32MB or would i need swap space? :) |
| 17:06:04 | whardier | you know what bothers me about java |
| 17:06:07 | whardier | all the god damn money |
| 17:06:10 | Twiun | scanline: I believe the minimum vm size on x86 with swing is 15megs |
| 17:06:25 | whardier | 15 megs |
| 17:06:30 | whardier | there goes openzaurus |
| 17:06:31 | Twiun | So... with a smaller vm, say 8megs? |
| 17:06:36 | scanline | Twiun: hehe... not exactly designed for embedded systems, but you could probably cram it into a Z |
| 17:06:49 | whardier | what about intent? |
| 17:07:00 | Twiun | Yeah, but on x86 is loads everything... the embedded stuff is selective |
| 17:07:13 | Twiun | intent is... too non-standard |
| 17:07:19 | whardier | so is java |
| 17:07:24 | whardier | runs and hides |
| 17:07:27 | Twiun | I rather like the look of savaje |
| 17:07:34 | Twiun | gets his gun out |
| 17:07:53 | whardier | pulls up his army of faithful C/C++ monkeys! |
| 17:08:11 | scanline | wonders where ickysneeze is with his "Java Sucks\nC Rocks" hat |
| 17:08:16 | Twiun | runs to get his code generators... aka Java monkeys! |
| 17:08:29 | whardier | hehe |
| 17:08:37 | Twiun | Actually... |
| 17:08:38 | whardier | does a performance test on your java monkeys |
| 17:08:45 | Twiun | I prefer coding using vim |
| 17:08:46 | whardier | finds they are slow and rather poopie |
| 17:09:02 | whardier | PyGTK is faster than Java |
| 17:09:04 | whardier | haha |
| 17:09:07 | whardier | I tested it myself |
| 17:09:12 | whardier | it is blazingly faster |
| 17:09:21 | Twiun | how much easier is it to read? |
| 17:09:32 | Twiun | compile time typesafty? |
| 17:09:46 | Twiun | But lets not get into language wars all over again ;-) |
| 17:09:52 | whardier | Twiun.. those sound like the traits of an imperfect coder |
| 17:09:53 | whardier | heh |
| 17:09:55 | scanline | looks forward to having Java and Python client libs for picogui |
| 17:09:56 | Twiun | I agree that C/C++ is much faster |
| 17:10:03 | whardier | I said Python! |
| 17:10:17 | Twiun | Pyth-what? |
| 17:10:20 | Twiun | cackles |
| 17:10:23 | whardier | hehehe |
| 17:10:28 | whardier | python is neat tooo |
| 17:10:38 | whardier | I have just been hurt by to many Java coders |
| 17:10:44 | Twiun | Hahahaha |
| 17:10:44 | whardier | hehehe |
| 17:10:48 | whardier | no really |
| 17:10:54 | whardier | I write something in this funky C language |
| 17:10:57 | Twiun | Ok - have to run... gotta do more cleaning ;-) |
| 17:11:11 | whardier | and corperate people suck and say.. but Java sounds neat.. I drink Coffee so that must be what we need |
| 17:11:14 | scanline | bye Twiun |
| 17:11:15 | Twiun | fades back into the background... |
| 17:11:22 | whardier | blah |
| 17:11:22 | whardier | heh |
| 17:11:26 | whardier | fucking javites |
| 17:11:27 | scanline | mmm... coffee.... |
| 17:11:35 | scanline | likes coffee but would rather code in C |
| 17:12:13 | whardier | I want my PS2 linux kit |
| 17:13:24 | whardier | pterm hates me |
| 17:13:28 | whardier | rather hates ansi |
| 17:13:40 | scanline | yeah, the vt102 emulation is kinda incomplete |
| 17:14:09 | scanline | yay... 30 lines of theme code and i can do drop shadows in any theme |
| 17:15:52 | whardier | scanline what do you have for the Zaurus so far? |
| 17:16:32 | scanline | whardier: i've transfered pgserver, libpgui.so, some themes and some apps using scp and got everything tested and working |
| 17:16:40 | scanline | no ipk's or anything yet |
| 17:16:51 | whardier | oh well |
| 17:16:59 | scanline | but i'd like to integrate it into openzaurus |
| 17:17:06 | whardier | you can tell me what to do and I will make a .mk file for it |
| 17:17:34 | scanline | well, first i'd like to understand how to compile openzaurus and get an image like the ones on the sourceforge site :) |
| 17:17:42 | whardier | heh |
| 17:17:49 | whardier | lemme download the latest CVS |
| 17:17:54 | scanline | cool |
| 17:18:00 | whardier | damn OpenZaurus |
| 17:18:10 | whardier | pokes a woody |
| 17:19:27 | whardier | removes opie from OZ's .mks temporarily |
| 17:19:41 | scanline | it was there in the first place? |
| 17:19:57 | ljp | does OpenZaurus grab the opie cvs? |
| 17:20:25 | whardier | oh neat |
| 17:20:28 | whardier | the todo is in woody :) |
| 17:20:38 | whardier | ljp /I guess not.. there is no .mk |
| 17:20:39 | whardier | heh |
| 17:20:45 | whardier | hold on |
| 17:20:47 | whardier | screws on head |
| 17:21:12 | scanline | i ran "make openzaurus" and the resulting images were missing a lot of things that the openzaurus binaries had, like ssh and opie |
| 17:21:35 | whardier | oh hell yah |
| 17:21:42 | whardier | did it boot the resulting image? |
| 17:21:45 | whardier | neat |
| 17:21:51 | scanline | it booted, and i got a shell prompt |
| 17:21:54 | scanline | it had busybox |
| 17:21:55 | whardier | I didn't even think CVS would do that :) |
| 17:22:04 | whardier | beb.. making love to a shell program |
| 17:22:13 | scanline | ah... so i take it the binaries on there weren't built from CVS :) |
| 17:23:47 | whardier | for ssh? |
| 17:23:57 | whardier | what are you talkin about homer |
| 17:24:25 | scanline | no, the Openzaurus flash images on the sourceforge download page |
| 17:24:32 | scanline | how were those compiled? |
| 17:24:34 | whardier | no not CVS |
| 17:24:40 | whardier | those were an old style |
| 17:24:48 | whardier | where we basically replaced everything in the Sharp rom |
| 17:24:52 | whardier | with stuff we compiled ourselves |
| 17:24:58 | whardier | but not from the current build system |
| 17:25:02 | scanline | okay |
| 17:25:05 | whardier | we got smarter |
| 17:25:06 | whardier | well |
| 17:25:08 | scanline | that makes more sense |
| 17:25:09 | whardier | rather kergoth did |
| 17:25:11 | whardier | I was in Alaska |
| 17:25:27 | whardier | hmm |
| 17:25:33 | whardier | you know what would be spifftacular? |
| 17:25:48 | scanline | opie and picogui and X all in buildroot-oz? |
| 17:25:48 | whardier | if you could rotate the apps inside a non rotated screen in picogui |
| 17:26:02 | scanline | uh.. hmm...... |
| 17:26:09 | scanline | picogui has rotation, but it's at the video driver level |
| 17:26:17 | whardier | yeah |
| 17:26:21 | whardier | I just mean at the window level |
| 17:26:22 | scanline | which makes it fast, but you have to rotate the whole screen |
| 17:26:25 | scanline | yea |
| 17:26:34 | whardier | that would be scary |
| 17:26:39 | file | erm |
| 17:26:47 | whardier | erm? |
| 17:26:48 | scanline | what would be scary? |
| 17:26:55 | whardier | rotation at window level |
| 17:26:56 | whardier | heh |
| 17:27:07 | whardier | it makes sense |
| 17:27:13 | scanline | you can already rotate the screen at runtime, and it's better than Qt's rotation 'cuz you don't have to restart apps :) |
| 17:27:16 | whardier | view this web page portait/landscape |
| 17:27:33 | scanline | well, we need a little rotate button for the pgl-toolbar |
| 17:27:49 | scanline | something you can just hit and get a menu of screen rotations |
| 17:27:52 | whardier | heh |
| 17:28:01 | whardier | compiles linux for the Z |
| 17:28:01 | whardier | ls |
| 17:28:03 | whardier | err |
| 17:28:03 | whardier | la |
| 17:28:04 | file | Another good thing about writing on your computer: No papercuts. |
| 17:28:14 | scanline | file: indeed |
| 17:28:27 | whardier | fscks file |
| 17:28:46 | file | whardier: Permission Denied. |
| 17:29:04 | scanline | whardier: that would be sweet to have openzaurus packages for picogui, opie, and X and be able to select between them with that /sbin/launch menu |
| 17:29:40 | whardier | file: heh |
| 17:29:55 | whardier | scanline to bad the DEV model does not have the FS space for that |
| 17:30:03 | whardier | I would rather have ipkg's for all :) |
| 17:30:21 | whardier | then just store tar/gz'd ipkgs on the FS then expand/kill when necissary |
| 17:30:35 | whardier | pgserver is itsy |
| 17:30:42 | scanline | well, i know it at least has room for opie and picogui in flash |
| 17:30:46 | whardier | we should use that as a launcher :) |
| 17:30:52 | scanline | hehe |
| 17:30:53 | file | $28.75 for this darn book. curses. |
| 17:30:54 | scanline | yes |
| 17:31:06 | whardier | file: what book? |
| 17:31:16 | file | whardier: Game Developer's Guide to Cybiko |
| 17:31:25 | scanline | start pgserver with a little launcher app... if they pick opie kill pgserver and start that, if they pick picogui load the picogui launcher |
| 17:31:27 | whardier | whats a Cybiko? |
| 17:31:50 | whardier | scanline how big would you think the launcher and pgserver would be all alone? |
| 17:31:56 | file | whardier: it's something like a PDA for kids except it has no touchscreen, hardly any storage/RAM but it does have a wireless transceiver |
| 17:32:16 | whardier | *heart* zsh SSH filename completion |
| 17:32:21 | scanline | whardier: i'll try compiling a minimalistic pgserver for ARM. The one i've been using has all the fonts and a lot of debugging |
| 17:32:43 | whardier | file what is the base of the tranciever system? |
| 17:33:01 | file | whardier: base? |
| 17:33:04 | whardier | file: so you could port LCDproc to it for us ? |
| 17:33:18 | whardier | base.. like does it communicate to a service or your home machine vai a little dongle |
| 17:33:31 | file | whardier: it just has a 900MHz transceiver |
| 17:33:37 | file | it contacts any other Cybiko's nearby |
| 17:33:59 | whardier | file but there is no way to communicate to the home machine? |
| 17:34:17 | whardier | I thought you could download from the internet new stuff for it |
| 17:34:21 | scanline | whardier: a pgserver that would be plenty good for a launcher on the Z is 142k |
| 17:34:30 | whardier | scanline :) |
| 17:34:34 | whardier | joyee |
| 17:34:37 | scanline | whardier: that's with only one font, and no debugging |
| 17:34:37 | file | if there's a Cybiko connected to your computer you can use it as a CyWIG (Cybiko Wireless Internet Gateway) |
| 17:34:46 | scanline | brb |
| 17:34:50 | file | but the Cybiko classics you can get for like $25 USD at Toys R Us |
| 17:34:59 | whardier | scanline but you would have to kill pgserver to go into a new pgserver with more fonts |
| 17:35:19 | file | hrm |
| 17:35:25 | whardier | haha |
| 17:35:28 | whardier | I want a Cybijo |
| 17:35:29 | whardier | err |
| 17:35:30 | whardier | ko |
| 17:35:44 | whardier | me watches the wakey waters of a glibc compile |
| 17:35:48 | file | whardier: it might be possible to port Linux to it... |
| 17:35:55 | file | it uses a Hitachi H8S CPU |
| 17:35:57 | whardier | dragonball? |
| 17:36:03 | whardier | err |
| 17:36:04 | whardier | heh |
| 17:36:14 | whardier | not a Super5 |
| 17:36:15 | whardier | heh |
| 17:36:20 | file | no. |
| 17:36:23 | whardier | err SuperH |
| 17:36:24 | whardier | heh |
| 17:36:42 | whardier | how many mhz is the H8S |
| 17:36:53 | file | 11MHz |
| 17:36:58 | whardier | WOW |
| 17:37:01 | whardier | hehehe |
| 17:37:06 | whardier | my palm is faster |
| 17:37:07 | whardier | heh |
| 17:37:12 | whardier | can stroke at 25mhz |
| 17:37:14 | file | that's just the main CPU |
| 17:37:17 | file | it has a co-processor :p |
| 17:37:18 | whardier | sorry for that |
| 17:37:29 | scanline | whardier: or just include a more full-featured pgserver if youve got more picogui stuff installed, and use a stripped-down pgserver if you just need it for the launcher |
| 17:37:46 | file | the co-processor is 4MHz |
| 17:38:05 | scanline | it wouldn't be hard to add support for loading fonts at runtime... just that nobody's needed it yet |
| 17:38:14 | whardier | has a cuddly kat |
| 17:38:26 | file | throws the cuddly kat into a fire |
| 17:38:30 | file | Supper's done! |
| 17:38:58 | whardier | heh |
| 17:39:03 | whardier | fscks file |
| 17:39:12 | file | Permission denied. |
| 17:39:18 | whardier | its no fun when you cannot punch cat haters |
| 17:46:44 | whardier | gets pissed |
| 17:46:52 | whardier | connects a large antenna to his house |
| 17:47:01 | whardier | steals cable from horsetooth |
| 17:47:04 | Guest | hello there? |
| 17:47:11 | tgall | hopefully it doesn't double as a lightning attractor |
| 17:47:12 | whardier | kills Guest |
| 17:47:14 | whardier | DO YOU HAVE CABLE! |
| 17:47:20 | whardier | will revive you if you say no |
| 17:47:43 | tgall | doesn't have cable |
| 17:47:48 | ljp | whardier: dont kill the guests... |
| 17:47:52 | whardier | ohhh |
| 17:47:53 | whardier | damnit |
| 17:47:59 | whardier | welcome Guest ! |
| 17:48:00 | Guest | argh!!!? kill me? |
| 17:48:03 | Guest | Thx! |
| 17:48:04 | whardier | sorry |
| 17:48:06 | whardier | force of habit |
| 17:48:07 | Guest | :-) |
| 17:48:23 | whardier | anyhoot.. brb.. :) |
| 17:48:25 | Guest | I'm jsut not registered yet.... |
| 17:48:27 | roge99 | whardier: I have cable :-P |
| 17:48:32 | whardier | kills roge99 |
| 17:48:43 | scanline | Guest: you don't have to register to change your nick |
| 17:48:54 | Guest | ha? |
| 17:49:12 | Abichai | Ha yeah |
| 17:49:21 | Abichai | figured it out by myself! :-) |
| 17:49:44 | Abichai | I'm not that used to channels.... |
| 17:50:28 | Abichai | Do u guys know tech differences bt CF I and CF II ? |
| 18:15:34 | scanline | posts a new screenshot to picogui.org |
| 18:18:14 | scanline | is away: pseudo-food-like-substances shall be consumed |
| 18:33:55 | whardier | damn |
| 18:34:01 | whardier | I hate not having cable |
| 18:34:05 | whardier | I should get sat |
| 18:34:14 | whardier | just so that I do not have todeal with the $400.00 bill |
| 18:34:17 | whardier | from the cable company |
| 18:34:19 | whardier | that I still have |
| 18:34:22 | whardier | from previous homes |
| 18:37:19 | whardier | wurd |
| 18:39:02 | whardier | whats pgl? |
| 18:53:59 | whardier | scanline: damn.. damn you.. damn |
| 19:17:07 | whardier | got OpenZaurus to actually compile |
| 19:17:16 | whardier | for some reason netkit-? is breaking |
| 19:24:00 | BigBoss | yo yo yo |
| 19:24:10 | fusion94- | werd |
| 19:26:51 | whardier | haha |
| 19:32:11 | BigBoss | 'sup fo |
| 19:32:23 | BigBoss | get down on your bad self |
| 19:32:32 | whardier | get down on your bad elf |
| 19:33:05 | PanicOpticon | smirks |
| 19:33:18 | PanicOpticon | Elf abuse is a crime... |
| 19:33:26 | bewmIES | hey Big Boss, I bought Kapital (the desktop version) last night and it's been crashing on me on and off |
| 19:33:41 | bewmIES | Are there known bugs or should I start keeping track of when/how it crashes and send you reports? |
| 19:34:14 | BigBoss | bewmIES: did you subscribe to the kapital mailing list? |
| 19:34:20 | bewmIES | It autosubscribed me I think |
| 19:34:29 | bewmIES | I got a confirmation of subscription message. |
| 19:34:33 | BigBoss | then report them there, traces are also appreciated |
| 19:34:49 | bewmIES | No problem. I was just curious to know if you knew of any major problems as of now. :) |
| 19:34:52 | bewmIES | Debian unstable FYI |
| 19:34:55 | BigBoss | I know we've got some bugs stomped in the next release that we are working on at the moment |
| 19:35:06 | bewmIES | By the way, I _really_ liked all the pre-packaged versions on the downlod page. |
| 19:35:12 | BigBoss | well there is your problem - it's an unstable version of Debian :) |
| 19:35:14 | bewmIES | You guys do online software purchasing the right way. Congrats. |
| 19:35:24 | bewmIES | Yeah, I know, I'll try it on testing next time I get home. |
| 19:35:35 | BigBoss | thanks :) - we try - it's a real bitch, which is why we've gone to Qt with a lot of stuff |
| 19:35:38 | whardier | scanline where is your image viewer? |
| 19:35:43 | BigBoss | one binary and that is it :) |
| 19:36:30 | whardier | nm |
| 19:36:56 | BigBoss | I'm told that tkcFTP is now functionally complete and the UI is being finalized for a release this week. |
| 19:37:09 | BigBoss | but I think the developers wife had their baby, she was due at any moment |
| 19:38:06 | whardier | hehe |
| 19:38:11 | whardier | i *heart* picogui! |
| 19:39:38 | file | heart? |
| 19:40:02 | whardier | love |
| 19:40:04 | whardier | enjoy |
| 19:40:06 | whardier | feel for |
| 19:40:11 | file | ahhhhhh |
| 19:40:15 | file | yeah, PicoGUI is marvelous |
| 19:45:44 | file | wishes scanline was back... |
| 19:46:18 | whardier | do you worship him? |
| 19:46:36 | file | I wanted to discuss something with him |
| 19:46:49 | whardier | hehe |
| 19:46:50 | whardier | suure |
| 19:46:53 | whardier | you worship him |
| 19:47:30 | file | whardier: it's your world, believe what you want |
| 19:48:00 | whardier | worshiper |
| 19:49:47 | file | :p |
| 19:54:27 | | Fastolfe was last seen on #zaurus 10 hours, 6 minutes and 15 seconds ago, saying: ibot seen kergoth [Sun Feb 24 09:48:12 2002] |
| 19:54:27 | weimer | ibot: seen Fastolfe |
| 20:09:20 | weimer | I've got a problem withe app launcher (opie). It just doesn't start my Fullscreen app in Fullscreen mode. The same app is fs when started from shell... |
| 20:11:33 | scanline | is back (gone 01:53:20) |
| 20:15:15 | Twiun | comes back to life |
| 20:16:50 | ljp | is sd amd mmc mounted as /mnt/card? |
| 20:16:51 | whardier | heh |
| 20:17:00 | whardier | yeah |
| 20:17:05 | whardier | its /dev/mmcda1 FYI |
| 20:17:41 | ljp | is that sd also? |
| 20:18:16 | whardier | si si |
| 20:18:21 | whardier | afaik |
| 20:21:29 | ljp | duh, I guess I coulda looked in /etc/fstab... |
| 20:21:40 | whardier | if I flash my zaurus too much because of OZ |
| 20:21:43 | whardier | will sharp replace it> |
| 20:21:44 | whardier | hehe |
| 20:21:56 | whardier | I was flashing it upwards of 10 times a day |
| 20:22:15 | scanline | flash is resilient... i musta flashed my Helio a hundred times trying to get linux and picogui working :) |
| 20:22:24 | whardier | heh |
| 20:22:31 | scanline | most flash is rated for at least 100,000 erase/write cycles |
| 20:22:37 | whardier | scanline do you have a .mk file? |
| 20:22:49 | whardier | or atleast a tree I can use of picogui for the zaurus? |
| 20:23:11 | scanline | whardier: can you have it grab the CVS, or does it have to be a .tar.gz? |
| 20:23:35 | scanline | whardier: we have daily .tar.gz snapshots, but it would be cooler to use the CVS |
| 20:24:02 | whardier | scanline tar.gz |
| 20:24:09 | whardier | it would be pretty cool |
| 20:24:23 | scanline | weren't you going to get it to use a CVS opie? |
| 20:24:26 | whardier | but a .tar.gz of the latest snapshot would be more "stable" cool |
| 20:24:33 | whardier | scanline sure :) |
| 20:24:36 | whardier | lets just put it this way |
| 20:24:43 | whardier | kergoth has not added cvs to the pull makes |
| 20:24:50 | scanline | well, we don't have stable releases yet |
| 20:24:54 | whardier | or if he has I dunno where they went :) |
| 20:25:00 | whardier | can you make me a .tar.gz? |
| 20:25:06 | scanline | but as soon as I get the textbox widget working we'll have our first stable releas of picogui |
| 20:25:16 | scanline | http://pgui.sourceforge.net/cvstgz/pgui-dev-latest.tar.gz |
| 20:25:16 | ljp | opie is ALWAYS atable.. except for opiemail |
| 20:25:23 | whardier | haha |
| 20:25:27 | ljp | stable |
| 20:25:40 | scanline | that URL will be updated with the latest CVS every day |
| 20:26:02 | scanline | it's about 1.8MB |
| 20:26:05 | scanline | actually.... |
| 20:26:09 | whardier | scanline what did you do to compile it |
| 20:26:10 | scanline | it would be cool to have x-chat in this too |
| 20:26:34 | scanline | it's mostly standard autoconf stuff |
| 20:26:46 | scanline | i added the config file and profile i used to the 'profiles' directory in CVS |
| 20:26:57 | whardier | scanline alright |
| 20:27:03 | scanline | whardier: lemme look at the format, i bet i could put together the .mk file quick |
| 20:27:14 | whardier | I bet you could too :) |
| 20:27:21 | whardier | look at the one for iptables.mk |
| 20:27:28 | scanline | k |
| 20:27:48 | whardier | add a sed line in there to rename pgui-2000blah/ to pgui-latest-stable/ in the build/ dir |
| 20:28:05 | whardier | otherwise it will never work |
| 20:28:59 | scanline | hmm |
| 20:30:30 | scanline | should there be separate .mk files for pgserver, cli_c, and the applications? |
| 20:31:41 | whardier | or one hefty ass one |
| 20:31:47 | whardier | prolly ipkgs for everything |
| 20:31:47 | whardier | heh |
| 20:31:53 | whardier | when we get that part working |
| 20:31:54 | whardier | damn |
| 20:31:57 | whardier | OZ3 is useless |
| 20:32:28 | scanline | begins to grok buildroot, and therefore starts on his .mk files |
| 20:33:32 | whardier | heh |
| 20:33:45 | whardier | its most likely not gonna work in the build |
| 20:33:56 | whardier | the library paths are all screwed |
| 20:33:59 | scanline | looks like there's code in here for downloading from CVS |
| 20:34:00 | whardier | lots of stuff broken |
| 20:34:06 | whardier | scanline : neat :) |
| 20:35:04 | scanline | hmm... a placeholder :) |
| 20:35:09 | scanline | feels the urge to fix stuff up |
| 20:35:25 | whardier | feels the urge to splurge |
| 20:36:56 | file | feels the urge to sing |
| 20:37:25 | scanline | micah@yoshi:~$ cvs update file |
| 20:38:13 | whardier | you want cvs upload access? |
| 20:38:44 | whardier | one minute we support stuff.. next minute only picogui! |
| 20:38:54 | scanline | whardier: that'd be cool. I'm quite interested in helping |
| 20:39:12 | scanline | and despite my world domination plans i would like to see support for Opie, PicoGUI, and X |
| 20:39:22 | whardier | ok |
| 20:39:22 | scanline | whardier: i'm "micahjd" on sourceforge |
| 20:39:49 | whardier | augh |
| 20:39:51 | scanline | first thing i shall add is CVS support |
| 20:39:54 | whardier | if sourceforge would let me log in |
| 20:40:03 | whardier | well hold on that :) |
| 20:40:13 | whardier | kergoth has another system that he is hiding up his sleeve |
| 20:40:19 | scanline | oh... |
| 20:40:20 | scanline | hehe |
| 20:40:31 | scanline | pulls it out of kergoths's sleeve and compiles it |
| 20:41:14 | whardier | gimme your bins real quick :) |
| 20:41:47 | scanline | whardier: ok, lemme put everything into one directory for easy tarrability |
| 20:43:05 | whardier | codemonger@bogomip.com |
| 20:43:15 | whardier | loads 2.6 onto the Z |
| 20:43:21 | whardier | I need to show somebody QPE |
| 20:43:36 | ljp | you mean Opie |
| 20:43:42 | whardier | no |
| 20:43:45 | whardier | I mean QPE |
| 20:43:59 | ljp | 2.6 != Opie ?? |
| 20:44:00 | Twiun | Aargh... I hate it when gimp cores |
| 20:44:03 | whardier | 2.6 has QPE |
| 20:44:12 | whardier | or atleast that is what it is telling me :) |
| 20:44:27 | whardier | it has some changes in it that made the fork of OPIE |
| 20:44:31 | whardier | so this is the start of it |
| 20:44:54 | whardier | like the ability to have a background pixmap and the changes in the appearance code that allow "Dark" theming |
| 20:45:36 | whardier | should be playing Jax and Dexter :) |
| 20:45:41 | whardier | or Devil May Cry |
| 20:45:50 | whardier | its sunday |
| 20:45:53 | whardier | I need to waste time |
| 20:45:55 | whardier | and relax |
| 20:46:24 | Twiun | Anyone know if gimp keeps a cache-file of work in progress anywhere? |
| 20:46:37 | file | memory. |
| 20:46:39 | file | :) |
| 20:46:42 | Twiun | Hmmm |
| 20:46:55 | Twiun | Let me do a cat kcore ;-) |
| 20:47:02 | Twiun | Nope... not there anymore |
| 20:47:02 | whardier | haha |
| 20:47:05 | Twiun | grins |
| 20:47:07 | Twiun | sniffs |
| 20:47:30 | Twiun | Oh well, it's only 45mins of work |
| 20:47:38 | Twiun | rolls up his sleeves |
| 20:49:37 | scanline | tries to make an 'easy to use' picogui tarball |
| 20:51:22 | scanline | i should try compiling libjpeg for the Z |
| 20:52:53 | scanline | ugh.. screw that, i'll wait and put libjpeg into OpenZaurus |
| 20:53:05 | scanline | converts the cool openzaurus background to a PNM file |
| 20:53:11 | file | :) |
| 20:53:20 | Fastolfe | scanline: I have a libjpeg tree and pkg if you need |
| 20:53:54 | scanline | Fastolfe: nah, that's ok. I'm just making a quick .tar.gz of picogui for whardier |
| 20:54:01 | Fastolfe | k |
| 20:54:04 | scanline | maybe i'll put it up on picogui.org too until i get picogui into openzaurus |
| 20:54:25 | Fastolfe | I thought libjpeg was in OZ |
| 20:54:40 | Fastolfe | the vnc server uses libjpeg and it works as is on OZ |
| 20:54:43 | scanline | not the CVS version |
| 20:54:50 | Fastolfe | is that right ? |
| 20:54:51 | Fastolfe | hmm |
| 20:55:01 | Fastolfe | I should ask kergoth |
| 20:55:16 | | kergoth was last seen on #opie 1 days, 20 hours, 53 minutes and 9 seconds ago, saying: again. [Sat Feb 23 00:02:07 2002] |
| 20:55:16 | Fastolfe | ibot seen kergoth |
| 20:55:19 | | kergoth`work was last seen on #zaurus 3 days, 3 hours, 51 minutes and 35 seconds ago, saying: hey roge99 [Thu Feb 21 17:03:44 2002] |
| 20:55:19 | Fastolfe | ibot seen kergoth`work |
| 20:55:29 | scanline | yikes... 230k for this background in PNM. It was 10k in jpeg |
| 20:55:47 | Fastolfe | yep yep, that's why I use jpg too :) |
| 20:56:29 | scanline | i just turned off jpeg support in this picogui build because i'm too lazy to get it to crosscompile with libjpeg right now. I'll fix that for the openzaurus release |
| 20:56:34 | weimer | Fastolfe: Got my mail(s)? |
| 20:56:50 | Fastolfe | weimer: hey hi, yes I got the ipaq image |
| 20:57:13 | Fastolfe | weimer: I didn't have time to use it yet. I want to use it for the ipaq 3850 port of vnc |
| 20:57:43 | Fastolfe | weimer: speaking of which, do you have a 3850 ? |
| 20:57:53 | weimer | Fastolfe: Nope |
| 20:58:04 | weimer | Fastolfe: will it be finished until cebit? |
| 20:58:11 | Fastolfe | weimer: oic. But the scan is of a 3850 right ? |
| 20:58:24 | weimer | Fastolfe: Nope, it is my 3660 |
| 20:58:53 | weimer | Fastolfe: I will be using fbvncserver at cebit. So maybe a clearer image of the ipaq in it would help ;-) |
| 20:59:44 | Fastolfe | weimer: well, according to a guy who reported that to me, the current ipaq VNC essentially works, but the screen is upside down, because of some hardware differences. I'm looking for someone with a 3850 to confirm whether is flipped or rotated 180 degrees, see if the touchscreen is inverted too, and see if the keyboard works. Once I know that, I can make a port. |
| 21:00:23 | weimer | Fastolfe: And how about the current fbvncserver with the prettier image? How can I help to create that? |
| 21:00:27 | Fastolfe | weimer: I don't have much time these days, but if you can use your image and make sure the buttons superimpose correctly with mine, it'll work |
| 21:00:41 | finkployd_II | any word on a release date for the 5500? |
| 21:00:53 | weimer | Fastolfe: What dou you mean with "superimpose" |
| 21:01:36 | Fastolfe | weimer: it's only a matter or having (1) the screen and (2) the buttons at the same place as in my jpg. Then simply zap my jpg and replace it with yours and it'll work |
| 21:02:10 | Fastolfe | weimer: and also making sure the jpg's width is a multiple of 2 |
| 21:02:15 | Fastolfe | it's easy |
| 21:02:21 | weimer | Fastolfe: Where do I find the source for fbvncserver |
| 21:02:43 | Fastolfe | weimer: http://opensource.lineo.com/fbvncserver/ |
| 21:03:02 | weimer | Fastolfe: Ok, I will look into it. |
| 21:03:47 | Fastolfe | weimer: the screen and button positions are hard-coded in the source. If your image matches mine in terms of size and position, you won't have to modify the source |
| 21:03:55 | Fastolfe | weimer: just change the jpg |
| 21:04:06 | weimer | Fastolfe: is the jpg a file on my ipaq? |
| 21:04:16 | Fastolfe | weimer: yes :) |
| 21:04:26 | Fastolfe | weimer: /usr/local/vnc/ipaq_panel.jpg |
| 21:04:32 | weimer | Fastolfe: Doh! I thought I had to compile it into the binary... |
| 21:04:41 | Fastolfe | weimer: nah |
| 21:08:56 | weimer | Fastolfe: Hmm, I'm using gimp to look at the buttons. They are "roughly" the same... |
| 21:09:01 | weimer | Fastolfe: I'l try it |
| 21:09:34 | Fastolfe | weimer: the important thing you'll have to line up is the screen. And it has to be 240x320. If the buttons are a little off, that's okay. |
| 21:09:45 | altered | anyone know if the 3rd prize contest winners have been notified yet? |
| 21:10:06 | Fastolfe | altered: have the 1st and 2nd winners been announced yet ? |
| 21:10:44 | altered | Fastolfe: the 3rd prize winners are the top 10 or each category for the beta submissions.. they get handed out before final submission. |
| 21:11:09 | Fastolfe | ooh okay |
| 21:11:12 | altered | Fastolfe: so that the top 10 winners in each category can have a Zaurus to run their final submissions on. |
| 21:11:23 | Fastolfe | gotcha. I didn't know |
| 21:11:45 | altered | np.... |
| 21:12:26 | altered | there are only 8 days left before the final submission deadline so, I figured they would have been notified by now... |
| 21:12:43 | Fastolfe | altered: yeah, I'd hope :) |
| 21:13:52 | weimer | Fastolfe: What if the screen doesn't fit exactly? |
| 21:14:06 | weimer | Fastolfe: The size is ok, but the position.... |
| 21:14:33 | Fastolfe | weimer: if the screen is off, the real screen display will be off too. They need to be lined up exactly |
| 21:14:53 | Fastolfe | weimer: the buttons don't matter as much, although they outta be lined up too |
| 21:15:07 | Fastolfe | weimer: otherwise, recompile it with the positions you want in the code |
| 21:15:40 | Fastolfe | weimer: with gimp, layer my jpg at the bottom and yours at the top, and use transparency to align them |
| 21:17:22 | weimer | Fastolfe: I think I'l try the recompile. |
| 21:18:15 | weimer | Fastolfe: What file to look for the coordinates? |
| 21:18:50 | Fastolfe | weimer: okay :) you'll have to magnify your jpeg, and lift the box coordinates of the screen and the 10 buttons by hand. The coordinates are in panelzones.h. |
| 21:19:15 | Fastolfe | I |
| 21:19:18 | Fastolfe | oops |
| 21:19:25 | Fastolfe | I'd change the jpeg if I were you :-) |
| 21:19:44 | Fastolfe | what's wrong with it ? |
| 21:19:58 | weimer | Fastolfe: Yeah, but I think you might be interested in my work, so I can give back some of the great work you did... |
| 21:20:52 | weimer | Fastolfe: make tells me that it misses rfb.h and keysym.h. Where to look for them? |
| 21:21:01 | Fastolfe | heh tx. Actually, I was thinking of swiping the buttons from your image and merge them in mine. The buttons in your image are really clean, but the rest of the panel is very flat. |
| 21:21:15 | Fastolfe | weimer: you need to compile the libvncserver |
| 21:21:56 | scanline | there's a libvncserver?!?! |
| 21:22:10 | weimer | Fastolfe: where to get this? |
| 21:22:20 | Fastolfe | in the same directory where you untarred fbvncserver, untar libvncserver, patch it and compile it. The src and the patch for fbvncserver are on my site too |
| 21:22:30 | scanline | wants to use a libvncserver! |
| 21:22:46 | Fastolfe | heh :) |
| 21:23:12 | Fastolfe | scanline: you'll want to modify my patch then, or fix the whole POS yourself |
| 21:23:38 | scanline | Fastolfe: i've just been wanting to write a VNC video driver for pgserver |
| 21:24:19 | weimer | Fastolfe: How to patch? |
| 21:24:26 | weimer | is a newbiw programmer ;-) |
| 21:24:31 | Fastolfe | scanline: libVNCserver is great, it's derived from the OS-X vnc server, but it's chock-full of bugs. My patch solves most of them, but it has some Zaurus/iPAQ cruft in it too |
| 21:24:47 | scanline | ah, ok |
| 21:24:47 | xxL | scanline: does pgui have a c++ client api yet ? |
| 21:25:02 | Fastolfe | weimer: cd in the libvncserver-0.3.0 directory and type "patch -p1 < wherever_you_put_the_patch |
| 21:25:10 | weimer | Fastolfe: thanks |
| 21:25:12 | scanline | xxL: well you can use the C client lib in C++, but it doesn't yet have one that's designed for c++ |
| 21:25:16 | Fastolfe | weimer: sure |
| 21:25:33 | Fastolfe | err.. weimer, you *are* cross-compiling it. right ? :)) |
| 21:25:42 | xxL | scanline: heh I noticed the C one |
| 21:25:50 | weimer | Fastolfe: yepp, I will be xcompiling it |
| 21:25:54 | Fastolfe | k :) |
| 21:26:27 | Fastolfe | weimer: cuz I don't think libvncserver is X-compiler aware out of the box. You need to export CC, GCC, LD and RANLIB |
| 21:26:38 | Fastolfe | looks at his build tree |
| 21:27:18 | Fastolfe | export CC=arm-linux-gcc |
| 21:27:23 | Fastolfe | export LD=arm-linux-ld |
| 21:27:31 | Fastolfe | export AR=arm-linux-ar |
| 21:27:37 | Fastolfe | export RANLIB=arm-linux-ranlib |
| 21:27:54 | xxL | scanline: the C api looks like xlib-with-widgets-on-the-server-side |
| 21:27:58 | Fastolfe | export ZAURUS_ZLIB_INC=wherever you have Zlib-arm |
| 21:28:11 | Fastolfe | export ZAURUS_ZLIB_LIBS=wherever you have Zlib-arm |
| 21:28:19 | scanline | xxL: sorta, i guess |
| 21:28:20 | xxL | scanline: reminds me of photon |
| 21:28:29 | Fastolfe | export ZAURUS_JPEG_INC=wherever you have jpeg-arm |
| 21:28:34 | Fastolfe | export ZAURUS_JPEG_LIBS=wherever you have jpeg-arm |
| 21:28:36 | scanline | xxL: hehe, someone else was telling me it was like QNX |
| 21:28:45 | Fastolfe | weimer: if you don't have those exports, it won't build |
| 21:28:50 | xxL | photon == QNX's gui |
| 21:28:58 | Fastolfe | weimer: which means you need to x-compile zlib and jpeg first |
| 21:29:13 | scanline | xxL: right. I've used QNX a little, but never programmed it |
| 21:29:17 | file | QNX is fun |
| 21:29:20 | Fastolfe | weimer: I told you it was easier to tweak the jpg :) |
| 21:29:26 | weimer | Wow. |
| 21:29:39 | xxL | are custom widgets possible in pgui ? |
| 21:29:47 | file | CA-NA-DA! |
| 21:29:53 | weimer | Fastolfe: Maybe I can create the coordinates for the new jpeg and maybe you can compile a new version??? ;-) |
| 21:29:57 | Fastolfe | weimer: all that's in my build engine, so I don't care about it anymore. But if you build it yourself, you need all these things |
| 21:30:28 | Fastolfe | weimer: yeah sure, but I have one single question : how come you can't line up the jpeg ? |
| 21:30:30 | Fastolfe | :)_ |
| 21:30:47 | weimer | Fastolfe: Hmm, because I want to do it perfectly |
| 21:31:05 | Fastolfe | weimer: what's un-perfect about lining up a jpeg ? :-)) |
| 21:31:17 | weimer | Fastolfe: And the buttons will be misplaced when lining up the image. |
| 21:31:40 | Fastolfe | are they in different positions on that model, compared to the one I have ? |
| 21:31:40 | xxL | scanline: are custom widgets possible in pgui ? |
| 21:32:29 | weimer | Fastolfe: No, but the scaling of my pic is slightly different from yours, so the buttons have bigger distances between them |
| 21:33:01 | scanline | xxL: Not yet |
| 21:33:03 | Fastolfe | weimer: then use the tif, which is hi-res, and scale it down. That's how I did mine, and that's why you want a hi-res source image |
| 21:33:14 | scanline | xxL: but there's a canvas widget for doing general purpose graphics |
| 21:33:37 | weimer | Fastolfe: Unfortunately, the tiff is not bigger than the jpeg. |
| 21:33:58 | Fastolfe | weimer: hhmm ok, hold on, I'll do it |
| 21:34:00 | Fastolfe | brb |
| 21:34:12 | file | CA-NA-DA! |
| 21:34:27 | weimer | Fastolfe: Should I do the part with getting the coordinates? |
| 21:34:31 | roge99 | USA ! |
| 21:34:39 | Fastolfe | weimer: naah, hold on 5 mins |
| 21:34:43 | ljp | Earth! |
| 21:34:48 | roge99 | lol |
| 21:35:35 | file | CA-NA-DA! |
| 21:35:53 | weimer | Fastolfe: Me feels lousy about it. You are doing work for me... |
| 21:35:55 | ljp | E-A-R-T-H! |
| 21:37:08 | ljp | I cheer for earth because who ever wins.. is still on my team! |
| 21:37:54 | scanline | uh oh |
| 21:38:07 | scanline | i think this touchscreen driver is using 50% CPU when i don't have the stylus down... |
| 21:38:31 | file | 3-2 for Canada. MUAHAHAHAHAHA! |
| 21:39:31 | ljp | yes.. but does that team have a Zaurus?! |
| 21:39:54 | file | maybe. |
| 21:42:41 | Fastolfe | weimer: it's half a meg. Shall I send it to you ? |
| 21:43:01 | Fastolfe | weimer: it's an xcf, you'll still have to flatten it and save it as jpeg |
| 21:43:12 | Fastolfe | weimer: and possibly touch it up. But it's aligned |
| 21:43:19 | weimer | Fastolfe: Send it. 10Mbit here |
| 21:43:24 | Fastolfe | k |
| 21:43:36 | weimer | Fastolfe: Thanks!!! |
| 21:43:50 | weimer | Fastolfe: what do you mean with "touch it up" |
| 21:45:00 | Fastolfe | well you know, remove nasty looking edges, blend the edges with the background, throw a little blur to make it less harsh to look at ... you know, make it look nice and polished :) |
| 21:45:06 | Fastolfe | it's gone |
| 21:45:14 | weimer | Fastolfe: thanks. |
| 21:45:20 | Fastolfe | sure |
| 21:45:26 | weimer | Fastolfe: I will send it back to you when polished |
| 21:45:31 | Fastolfe | okay :) |
| 21:45:51 | Fastolfe | I might create a skins archive on the fbvncserver page, here's an idea :) |
| 21:46:30 | Fastolfe | brb cigarette |
| 21:50:51 | Fastolfe | weimer: if you still want to recompile the server, I can send you my zlib and libjpeg tree if you want |
| 21:55:10 | Fastolfe | brb gotta fix my X install |
| 22:00:47 | Fastolfe | crap |
| 22:19:41 | scanline | man.. this is sweet |
| 22:19:51 | scanline | i've almost got a mini-picogui-distro for the zaurus packaged up |
| 22:31:40 | kendrick2 | anyone here use wget for offline stuff? |
| 22:32:24 | scanline | hi kendrick2 |
| 22:32:58 | kendrick2 | hey |
| 22:34:57 | kendrick2 | guesses not :) |
| 22:35:00 | whardier | kendrick2 yeah :) |
| 22:35:05 | whardier | but you gotta be onlne to use it :) |
| 22:35:12 | scanline | whardier: oh good, you're still here :) |
| 22:35:21 | scanline | i'm almost done packaging up a full picogui distro |
| 22:35:23 | kendrick2 | :^P |
| 22:35:28 | scanline | i'll put it on picogui.org soon... |
| 22:35:32 | whardier | neat |
| 22:35:36 | whardier | distro for Z |
| 22:35:40 | whardier | or in general |
| 22:35:45 | kendrick2 | well, for example, i want to download slashdot front page, plus each page that page links to |
| 22:35:45 | scanline | for the Z |
| 22:35:48 | whardier | ok |
| 22:35:53 | scanline | a .tar.gz of ARM binaries and config files |
| 22:35:53 | whardier | kendrick2 haha |
| 22:36:00 | whardier | kendrick2 I did that :) |
| 22:36:02 | kendrick2 | (eg, when someone says "Some website has an _article_ about blah"... I want that article to be downloaded, TOO, so I can read it offline) |
| 22:36:14 | scanline | wget --mirror |
| 22:36:18 | whardier | newp |
| 22:36:28 | whardier | wget is hard to use with slashdots website |
| 22:36:35 | whardier | w3mir |
| 22:36:39 | whardier | works a little better |
| 22:36:39 | kendrick2 | my problem with slashdot is that all of the imgsrc and ahref links are to "//slashdot.org/...", which seems to confuse the hell out of wget :( |
| 22:36:48 | whardier | if you can write clever enough wget rules.. then go for it |
| 22:36:49 | kendrick2 | i dont want the ENTIRE site |
| 22:37:30 | whardier | scanline hurry up.. I wanna play with it :) |
| 22:37:40 | whardier | do you have a startup scripts as well for it? |
| 22:37:46 | scanline | almost done. This one's got the works :) |
| 22:37:55 | whardier | neat |
| 22:38:08 | whardier | are you running from CF/MMC? |
| 22:38:14 | scanline | no |
| 22:38:22 | whardier | jffs2? |
| 22:38:43 | whardier | what rom are you running it under? |
| 22:38:48 | scanline | openzaurus |
| 22:38:53 | whardier | 2.6 |
| 22:38:56 | whardier | or CVS? |
| 22:38:58 | scanline | 2.6 |
| 22:39:05 | whardier | how are you running it then! |
| 22:39:12 | whardier | NFS? |
| 22:39:14 | whardier | heh |
| 22:39:21 | scanline | no, just copying the files on |
| 22:39:21 | whardier | oh wait |
| 22:39:22 | whardier | nevermind |
| 22:39:24 | whardier | ok |
| 22:39:26 | scanline | it only needs files in /etc and /usr/local |
| 22:39:29 | scanline | and those are in ram |
| 22:39:38 | whardier | I keep forgetting that OZ3 will not need to use the 12 megs of space for a FS |
| 22:39:39 | scanline | err, and /usr/bin |
| 22:39:49 | whardier | we can get it to use 32 megs :) |
| 22:40:23 | whardier | heh |
| 22:40:33 | kendrick2 | wanders |
| 22:40:38 | whardier | I should put 2.6 into jffs2 |
| 22:40:52 | scanline | so jff2 works on the Z? |
| 22:40:55 | scanline | err, jffs2 |
| 22:41:05 | whardier | it does in CVS |
| 22:41:17 | whardier | if you loaded CVS onti it then that was JFFS2 |
| 22:41:49 | scanline | ooh |
| 22:41:53 | whardier | aaaahhh |
| 22:42:09 | scanline | i didn't notice though since on the CVS oz the mount and df commands were broke :P |
| 22:42:10 | whardier | I should make a jffs2 2.6 |
| 22:42:12 | whardier | brb |
| 22:42:13 | ][N-Flux | BigBoss: you around? |
| 22:42:17 | ][N-Flux | is back (gone 24:11:28) |
| 22:48:42 | whardier | I think Ima dope |
| 22:51:39 | Com[Plx | anyone here use vmware? |
| 22:51:48 | ][N-Flux | yeah |
| 22:51:59 | Com[Plx | trying to get into X, under redhat 7.2 through a vmware shell |
| 22:52:11 | Com[Plx | cant get the stupid conig file right./ |
| 22:52:23 | file | eh? |
| 22:52:23 | Com[Plx | the driver exsists. but it just wont take. |
| 22:52:23 | ][N-Flux | what video card |
| 22:52:33 | Com[Plx | - what video card? |
| 22:52:42 | Com[Plx | the Virtual one provided by Vmware |
| 22:52:46 | ][N-Flux | ah |
| 22:53:06 | ][N-Flux | I'm running xp on vmware on a rh machine :) |
| 22:53:20 | Com[Plx | its a shell. you know, an emulator.. pretends to be a x86 machine.. |
| 22:53:22 | Com[Plx | ahh. great |
| 22:53:59 | ][N-Flux | sorry :) |
| 22:54:06 | ][N-Flux | run Xconfigurator |
| 22:54:10 | ][N-Flux | see what is says |
| 22:54:52 | roge99 | Com[Plx: did you install the tools ? |
| 22:55:10 | ][N-Flux | yeah vmware tools |
| 22:55:48 | roge99 | they have a different svga driver i think |
| 22:55:56 | Com[Plx | yes |
| 22:56:27 | Com[Plx | the problem is, that Xconfigurator creates a great big long XF86Config file with all sorts of video modes I cant use. |
| 22:56:51 | Com[Plx | then, I have to modify it through vi anyway. becayse theres no way to add the Vmware Driver through Xconfiguarator |
| 22:57:34 | Com[Plx | the problem is, that when I go in and make those changes to the XF86Config file, its not helping any. I get all osrts of unrelated problems with it. |
| 22:59:11 | roge99 | under rh7.2 are you editing XF86Config-4 |
| 22:59:21 | scanline | tests the new distro |
| 22:59:46 | whardier | gimme |
| 22:59:47 | whardier | gimme |
| 22:59:48 | whardier | gimme |
| 23:00:55 | scanline | good, keyboard works |
| 23:01:03 | scanline | still lotsa bugs... |
| 23:01:12 | scanline | but that's ok for now |
| 23:01:14 | scanline | tarring... |
| 23:02:11 | scanline | the .tar.gz of the whole distro is 283k :) |
| 23:03:25 | scanline | k. I'll write up a little README for a picogui.org news item |
| 23:03:27 | scanline | but for the impatient: |
| 23:03:34 | scanline | http://picogui.org/download/pgui-arm-20020224.tar.gz |
| 23:04:00 | scanline | just untar it into the root directory, then from the zaurus' framebuffer console run "pgserver" |
| 23:04:10 | scanline | if you run it over ssh the keyboard won't work |
| 23:05:48 | scanline | i should do a scap of it :) |
| 23:08:05 | scanline | ack! is screencap down? |
| 23:10:05 | scanline | gee that's a funny bug... the italic text is italic in the wrong direction |
| 23:10:27 | Twiun | hehe |
| 23:10:41 | scanline | loves the new touchscreen filtering |
| 23:11:14 | whardier | neat |
| 23:11:25 | scanline | whardier: got it working? |
| 23:12:41 | whardier | newp |
| 23:12:42 | whardier | hehe |
| 23:12:44 | whardier | hold on |
| 23:12:53 | whardier | tar into root? |
| 23:13:08 | scanline | yep |
| 23:13:17 | ][N-Flux | how can I get into console on the 1.11 rom |
| 23:13:31 | scanline | it will put a couple files in /etc, pgserver in /usr/bin, and a bunch of apps in /usr/local |
| 23:13:34 | ][N-Flux | just goes back into qtopia |
| 23:13:56 | whardier | just run pgserver |
| 23:14:07 | scanline | yup |
| 23:14:13 | scanline | all the settings are in /etc/pgserver.conf |
| 23:14:28 | scanline | it should start out with a touchscreen calibrator |
| 23:15:01 | whardier | heh |
| 23:15:03 | whardier | unknown error |
| 23:15:18 | scanline | umm... huh? |
| 23:15:28 | whardier | NEAT |
| 23:15:41 | scanline | you like the error message? |
| 23:15:41 | whardier | 16777215/255 |
| 23:15:46 | whardier | hehe |
| 23:15:49 | scanline | heh... |
| 23:15:49 | ][N-Flux | anyone? |
| 23:15:56 | whardier | it broke |
| 23:15:57 | scanline | um... i saw that once, but couldn't reproduce it |
| 23:16:03 | whardier | well |
| 23:16:09 | whardier | reboots the Z |
| 23:16:20 | ][N-Flux | hey Fastolfe |
| 23:16:26 | Fastolfe | hi mister |
| 23:16:49 | ][N-Flux | how can I get into console on the 1.11 rom? keeps restarting |
| 23:16:49 | scanline | it occurs to me that i should make sure this works for you before i post it on picogui.org as a news item :) |
| 23:16:52 | whardier | biig keyboard |
| 23:17:02 | scanline | whardier: it works?! |
| 23:17:22 | scanline | whardier: that's the keyboard Smartdata made. We have a lot of keyboard files, i just picked one |
| 23:17:37 | scanline | easy to turn on and off though :) |
| 23:18:21 | whardier | scribbles |
| 23:18:36 | whardier | feels happy scribbling |
| 23:18:40 | whardier | niiice smoooothing |
| 23:18:58 | scanline | :) |
| 23:19:00 | whardier | humps scanline |
| 23:19:09 | scanline | it's a rather hacked up version of Bradley Laronde's IIR filter |
| 23:19:15 | scanline | it's also 100% double-buffered |
| 23:19:17 | ][N-Flux | How can I get into console on the 1.11 rom? keeps restarting |
| 23:19:17 | whardier | the shadow makes it al worth it |
| 23:19:44 | whardier | atomic navigator? |
| 23:20:22 | Fastolfe | aarrrg |
| 23:20:25 | Fastolfe | ggrr |
| 23:21:03 | ][N-Flux | well, noone is gonna answer me |
| 23:21:07 | whardier | fun |
| 23:21:07 | scanline | whardier: that's our web browser, that doesn't quite browse web yet |
| 23:21:07 | whardier | heh |
| 23:21:11 | whardier | haha |
| 23:21:17 | scanline | ][N-Flux: i haven't used sharp's rom yet |
| 23:21:18 | whardier | stretches legs |
| 23:21:59 | scanline | whardier: it actually works better than it appears to in this image.. there's a recent pgserver bug that breaks everything that uses the textbox widget, including atomic navigator and most message dialog boxes |
| 23:22:28 | whardier | hehe |
| 23:22:32 | whardier | well |
| 23:22:32 | whardier | damnit |
| 23:22:35 | whardier | its fucking fast |
| 23:22:37 | whardier | and small |
| 23:22:39 | whardier | humps scanline |
| 23:22:40 | scanline | yea |
| 23:22:53 | scanline | runs away |
| 23:22:59 | scanline | follows file back to #picogui |
| 23:23:11 | file | hides in #picogui |
| 23:23:22 | whardier | haha |
| 23:25:12 | scanline | whardier: picogui's got a cool "hotspot" system for navigating with the keyboard, but it doesn't work on the zaurus yet since the ttykb driver doesn't implement arrow keys yet |
| 23:26:27 | whardier | rawr? |
| 23:26:38 | scanline | huh? |
| 23:26:45 | whardier | how do they work? |
| 23:27:37 | scanline | you use the arrow keys to move the cursor, and the spacebar to activate the focused widget. It should be really cool on the Z but the ttykb driver has that bug |
| 23:27:53 | scanline | it's good enough that picogui works pretty well on devices with no touchscreen or mouse |
| 23:28:27 | whardier | ahha |
| 23:28:31 | whardier | gotcha |
| 23:28:45 | ][N-Flux | argh |
| 23:30:48 | scanline | thinks screencap is down |
| 23:31:57 | scanline | hmm.. i need to get me subscribed to a zaurus mailing list |
| 23:36:09 | ][N-Flux | well |
| 23:36:17 | ][N-Flux | changing the runlevel aint working |
| 23:38:59 | ][N-Flux | fusge |
| 23:48:02 | fusion94 | is away: movie and stuff |
| 23:55:41 | scanline | yay |
| 23:55:52 | scanline | everyone check picogui.org now, i posted a zaurus-related news item :) |
| 23:56:38 | whardier | pimp |
