| 00:00:16 | whardier | hi |
| 00:01:13 | ljp | you must scare people away! |
| 00:04:39 | whardier | he is at my house |
| 00:04:44 | whardier | testing out an irc bot |
| 00:04:52 | whardier | he used my BitchX session rc to do it.. |
| 00:04:53 | whardier | oops |
| 00:06:36 | ljp | oh.. it's funnier if you just scared hm away.. |
| 00:49:26 | roge99 | hello all |
| 00:52:29 | ljp | hi |
| 00:54:47 | tux_mike | hrm..... (brain fart)when you have pointers to classes, do you have to dereference before using any overloaded operators? |
| 01:09:03 | roge99_away | is away: out -n- about |
| 02:19:31 | NeoTron | is back (gone 07:14:27) |
| 02:19:38 | NeoTron | yo |
| 02:42:13 | whardier | yo |
| 02:45:40 | BZFlag | JasonNJ: have you removed the partitions map from the wiki?!? |
| 02:55:30 | altered | sure is quiet in here... |
| 02:55:41 | whardier | BLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH |
| 02:55:43 | whardier | BLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH |
| 02:55:47 | altered | too loud.. |
| 02:55:50 | whardier | bleh.. |
| 03:34:26 | whardier | (*tip*) Jumping out of asshole = farting in the vacuum of space |
| 06:15:37 | | kergoth was last seen on #zaurus 1 days, 36 minutes and 58 seconds ago, saying: the 1) buildsystem [Sat Feb 9 05:38:39 2002] |
| 06:15:37 | Zero1 | ibot seen kergoth |
| 06:16:01 | | I haven't seen 'my', Zero1 |
| 06:16:01 | Zero1 | ibot seen my x girl firend? |
| 06:19:55 | NeoTron | looks into the database classes of Qtopia |
| 06:59:42 | NeoTron | hum |
| 07:06:29 | NeoTron | there is no database (i.e class Database) in the Qtopia sdk? |
| 07:06:36 | NeoTron | eligo.o(.text+0x216c): undefined reference to `Database::Database(QString const &, Categories *, QObject *, char const *)' |
| 07:06:46 | NeoTron | I suppose I can use the config object as a save place. :-PP |
| 07:07:01 | NeoTron | will be easier anyway |
| 07:40:38 | NeoTron | gngng |
| 07:40:57 | NeoTron | is there no way to construct a QString from a binary char *? |
| 07:42:21 | xxL | what's a binary char* ? |
| 07:43:01 | NeoTron | a char* that can contain null characters |
| 07:43:09 | NeoTron | i.e strlen(str) != actual length of data |
| 07:43:24 | NeoTron | I'm guessing I need to base64 encode/decode the data.. |
| 07:43:29 | xxL | oh |
| 07:44:19 | xxL | then maybe you should be looking for QByteArray instead of QString ? |
| 07:44:27 | NeoTron | well, I do |
| 07:44:43 | NeoTron | but I need to save the data (and I use Config class for that right now) and it requires a QString |
| 07:45:01 | NeoTron | and when a QString is constructed from a QByteArray, it uses the strlen(data) as the length... |
| 07:46:22 | NeoTron | now one can argue that Config is not the best place for that, but Database doesn't seem to be implewmented |
| 07:46:36 | xxL | are you sure that storing a binary string into a Config is a good idea ? |
| 07:46:39 | NeoTron | and besides, it too doesn't have any way to store binary data (big limitation) |
| 07:47:00 | NeoTron | I am using the crypt write so the stored string itself is actually not binary |
| 07:47:42 | xxL | oh, I see. Then use QByteArray for the bin str and QString for the crypt ? |
| 07:48:41 | NeoTron | I Can' |
| 07:48:50 | NeoTron | I can't convert a QByteArray to a QString tho |
| 07:49:01 | NeoTron | the encryption is done by the QPE Config class |
| 07:49:22 | xxL | eek |
| 07:50:38 | xxL | looks like you'd need to encode your bin string, I guess |
| 07:50:38 | NeoTron | therein lies the dilemma. :P |
| 07:50:42 | NeoTron | yeps |
| 07:51:12 | NeoTron | It's rather stupid that constructing a QString from a QByteArray ignores the indicated size in the QByteArray and just uses strlen... |
| 07:52:04 | xxL | protects the user from himself ;p |
| 07:52:28 | NeoTron | well, more like taking the gun from the user and shoots him/her in the head with it |
| 08:40:27 | NeoTron | tada, highscore saving works.. |
| 08:41:48 | Fastolfe | hmm |
| 09:29:27 | NeoTron | calls it a night. |
| 09:31:36 | Fastolfe | gnite |
| 14:24:54 | Mr_P | hi |
| 15:58:54 | Aelfweld | 4 |
| 16:44:23 | warmi | hi |
| 16:45:10 | ljp | hiya |
| 16:45:34 | warmi | ljp: just checking out ... saw your email about #zaurus |
| 16:55:42 | | zero1: huh? |
| 16:55:42 | zero1 | ibot i need 15 bucks |
| 16:56:04 | | ljp: what? |
| 16:56:04 | ljp | ibot: zero1 needs a job |
| 16:56:11 | zero1 | heh |
| 16:56:16 | | kergoth was last seen on #zaurus 1 days, 11 hours, 17 minutes and 37 seconds ago, saying: the 1) buildsystem [Sat Feb 9 05:38:39 2002] |
| 16:56:16 | zero1 | ibot seen kergoth |
| 16:56:40 | zero1 | what's going on inzaurus land? |
| 16:57:00 | | ljp: excuse me? |
| 16:57:00 | ljp | ibot: ljp needs another Zaurus |
| 16:57:25 | ljp | not much this morning.. all quiet |
| 16:57:30 | zero1 | just got openzaurus.org ready for business for kergoth |
| 16:57:39 | zero1 | nothing there yet |
| 16:58:00 | zero1 | i didn't like the wiki board getting wiped out |
| 16:59:31 | ljp | ahh nice |
| 17:00:45 | zero1 | know any cool tricks with the Z? |
| 17:01:35 | zero1 | i'll be glad when this is ready: http://www.sharpmobile.com/ |
| 17:02:52 | zero1 | see ya later |
| 17:03:19 | roge99_away | is back (gone 15:54:17) |
| 17:03:38 | roge99 | hello all |
| 17:04:02 | tux_mike | hey roge99 |
| 17:04:16 | roge99 | hey tux whats new ? |
| 17:04:21 | tux_mike | roge99: you ever have problems with the grid layout? |
| 17:04:36 | roge99 | ? |
| 17:04:45 | roge99 | what do you mean ? |
| 17:04:57 | tux_mike | everything getting bunched up at the top |
| 17:05:08 | roge99 | on the z ? |
| 17:05:32 | tux_mike | well, when i run the program (i'm using qvfb) |
| 17:05:58 | ljp | have you tried putting in spacers? |
| 17:06:17 | tux_mike | no... i'll try that... |
| 17:06:38 | tux_mike | is there any way to use designer to make your own slots? |
| 17:06:58 | dragorn | Z/ipk question -- the ipk I'm making installs fine from the command line, but I can't get it to show up in the "add software" programs list. It's in the same dir as a lot of other packages, so it's not that it doesn't see the file... Any ideas? |
| 17:07:04 | ljp | I think so... |
| 17:07:47 | tux_mike | that and i have to make the objects like unicode... they don't like it now |
| 17:07:58 | ljp | dragorn: do you have the control file properly set up? if you use the script buildipkg it will tell you when something is a miss |
| 17:08:23 | dragorn | ljp: I'm doing ipkg-build, yes |
| 17:09:06 | dragorn | ljp: and theres no errors, and no errors when I do ipkg install from the command line, and other new packages from elsewhere that I put on the CF show up in add/remove, it's just mine it doesn't like |
| 17:09:12 | ljp | ah.. hmm. I dunno. me thinks ipkg is finicky |
| 17:12:23 | dragorn | The only difference is I have a conffile control file and not many other packages do |
| 17:14:03 | ljp | try taking that out..just to see. I'm not sure if the ipkg on the Z likes that... |
| 17:14:48 | zero1 | quick question, anyone here |
| 17:15:00 | dragorn | nods |
| 17:15:20 | zero1 | what is/where is this messenger app |
| 17:15:22 | zero1 | http://www.zauruszone.com/ib3/cgi-bin/ikonboard.cgi?s=3c66a7c26133ffff;act=ST;f=13;t=20 |
| 17:15:28 | zero1 | looks neato |
| 17:15:53 | zero1 | the one they are showing in the vnc demo |
| 17:16:03 | roge99 | thats the kopanys jabber client |
| 17:16:12 | roge99 | kompany |
| 17:16:19 | zero1 | cool, thx |
| 17:16:31 | roge99 | www.theckomany.com i think |
| 17:16:38 | roge99 | www.theckompany.com i think |
| 17:16:47 | roge99 | man i got fat fingers today |
| 17:16:57 | zero1 | hey roger, got your email - i'll send ya one back soon |
| 17:17:02 | roge99 | no prob |
| 17:17:05 | mark_ | its pretty |
| 17:17:08 | roge99 | whats new |
| 17:17:11 | zero1 | know of any other cool apps for the Z? |
| 17:17:27 | zero1 | nothing, working on an interchnage project |
| 17:17:33 | roge99 | the kompany has a few ( there not free ) |
| 17:17:34 | zero1 | ever use interchange/minivend |
| 17:17:38 | zero1 | oh |
| 17:17:42 | zero1 | i knew there was a catch! |
| 17:18:03 | mark_ | hmm, where does that background come from? (the opie logo?_ |
| 17:18:11 | roge99 | $50 for the lot of em w/ free upgrades for life ( not a bad deal really ) |
| 17:18:27 | roge99 | the jabber client is like 20 stand alone |
| 17:18:47 | roge99 | not to bad |
| 17:19:12 | roge99 | i gota run ....... taken the kids to the movies |
| 17:19:17 | roge99 | later all |
| 17:19:21 | zero1 | i think the logo is in /home/QtPalmtop/pics/qpe-background.png |
| 17:19:26 | zero1 | ok cya |
| 17:19:49 | roge99_away | is away: off to the movies |
| 17:20:19 | zero1 | mark: you talken about the openZ logo background? |
| 17:20:44 | mark_ | zero1: yeh |
| 17:21:21 | dragorn | ljp: Nope, wasn't conffile control... |
| 17:21:33 | zero1 | yep that's where mines at |
| 17:21:40 | mark_ | zero1: okay, cheers |
| 17:21:55 | zero1 | not sure where the start up one is |
| 17:22:00 | zero1 | been look'n for that one |
| 17:22:19 | zero1 | anyone know? |
| 17:23:50 | whardier | hehe |
| 17:23:55 | whardier | people are yapping about my cute little logo |
| 17:24:02 | zero1 | hey |
| 17:24:11 | zero1 | i need that, i need to stick it at openzaurus.org |
| 17:24:14 | zero1 | may i? |
| 17:24:18 | whardier | what |
| 17:24:20 | whardier | quit that |
| 17:24:27 | whardier | you registered openzaurus.org! |
| 17:24:38 | zero1 | no i made kergoth reg it |
| 17:24:45 | whardier | ok |
| 17:24:46 | zero1 | and i offered to host it for free |
| 17:24:58 | whardier | hmm.. I could have done the samething.. |
| 17:25:03 | whardier | lemme talk to kergoth when he getsonline |
| 17:25:06 | zero1 | .com and .net is still there - i think he/we should grab that too so some ass doesn't |
| 17:25:09 | whardier | since I am the otherhalf of theOZ team |
| 17:25:31 | zero1 | i can give you full access to the site - ssh/scp etc |
| 17:25:50 | whardier | I own a damn ISP |
| 17:25:53 | zero1 | heh |
| 17:26:03 | zero1 | well then he should point it to you (i own one too) :) |
| 17:26:09 | whardier | nice! |
| 17:26:30 | whardier | lemme talk it over with kergoth |
| 17:26:32 | mark_ | zero1: can you dcc me that image please |
| 17:26:38 | zero1 | i was surprised it was avl, as soon as i saw it a told him to grab it quick |
| 17:26:53 | whardier | mark_ what one do youneed? |
| 17:27:07 | mark_ | whardier: qpe-background |
| 17:27:09 | zero1 | i'd like opening screen one |
| 17:27:23 | zero1 | where is that located on the Z? |
| 17:27:54 | whardier | http://geezer.umgllc.net/openzaurus/roms/openzaurus_beta3/root_cramfs/root/home/QtPalmtop/pics/qpe-background.png |
| 17:28:00 | whardier | zero1 that is in the rom |
| 17:28:19 | whardier | and also here |
| 17:28:20 | whardier | http://vash.umgllc.com/pingizauru.png |
| 17:28:36 | whardier | also |
| 17:28:41 | whardier | http://vash.umgllc.com/shirt2.png |
| 17:28:42 | whardier | and |
| 17:28:49 | whardier | http://vash.umgllc.com/shirt.png (EXTREAMLY HIRES) |
| 17:29:07 | mark_ | whardier: that image looks all dark and strange (qpe-background.png) |
| 17:29:17 | whardier | mark_ it is a transparent png |
| 17:29:20 | whardier | load it up in gimp |
| 17:29:31 | zero1 | very cool, nice |
| 17:30:07 | zero1 | fyi - i just offered to host it just cause i wanted to get involved - just change the dns to switch it to you |
| 17:30:26 | whardier | it might be a good idea actually |
| 17:30:35 | whardier | I will talk with the Big K |
| 17:31:10 | zero1 | ok, no biggy on my end |
| 17:31:22 | whardier | it will prollybe more hassle forme |
| 17:31:30 | whardier | what is your server running? |
| 17:32:33 | zero1 | nothing is on this particular server is a 700mhz, 400M ram, 40G harddrive running redhat 7.2 |
| 17:33:06 | whardier | redsplat! |
| 17:33:14 | zero1 | sitting on a t1, my wife as a few sites on it, but it really doesn't do anything - it gets backed up nightly |
| 17:33:16 | zero1 | heh |
| 17:33:20 | zero1 | what do you yse |
| 17:33:21 | zero1 | use |
| 17:33:23 | whardier | debian |
| 17:33:23 | zero1 | bsd? |
| 17:33:27 | zero1 | ah |
| 17:33:40 | whardier | redhat is a different breed |
| 17:33:45 | whardier | all together |
| 17:33:50 | zero1 | give the the crash course |
| 17:33:55 | zero1 | what's the main diff |
| 17:34:06 | zero1 | i've been using redsplat for about 5 years |
| 17:34:07 | whardier | I feel wrong on a redhat box |
| 17:34:19 | whardier | it just feels naughty |
| 17:34:20 | zero1 | give me an idea why, i'm open to new things |
| 17:34:41 | whardier | I enjoy debian for its directory structure and package management system |
| 17:34:46 | whardier | apt is about the coolest thing |
| 17:34:52 | zacs | zero1: cuz distro flamewars are productive and fun :) |
| 17:34:54 | zero1 | have you ever used rpm? |
| 17:34:59 | whardier | I used to use redhat |
| 17:35:08 | mark__ | whardier: will that image load on an ipaq? |
| 17:35:08 | whardier | looooong ass time ago |
| 17:35:24 | zacs | rpm is easier for banging out a quick package |
| 17:35:25 | zero1 | do you prefer perl, python or neither |
| 17:35:30 | whardier | mark__ it should. if the QPE has the background support |
| 17:35:34 | zacs | zero1: vi or emacs? |
| 17:35:37 | whardier | zero1 both + php |
| 17:35:54 | whardier | zacs apt-get install something |
| 17:35:58 | whardier | you will never go back |
| 17:36:00 | zero1 | i use vi, but i must admit somehow i became a pico junike, bad habit |
| 17:36:09 | whardier | if you just wanna download it.. apt-get -d install something |
| 17:36:13 | whardier | then dpkg --install something |
| 17:36:14 | zacs | whardier: dude, i've used debian... i'm ditro agnostic |
| 17:36:31 | zacs | s/ditro/distro |
| 17:36:40 | whardier | butI never.. not even once.. had to use a web browser or acrummy half assed rpm manager |
| 17:36:47 | zero1 | hmm, i didn't know there was a big diff in rpm and dpkg |
| 17:37:19 | whardier | .deb packages are actually tar based |
| 17:37:27 | whardier | rpm is who knows what based |
| 17:37:31 | whardier | I have issues with redhat |
| 17:37:41 | zacs | whardier: rpm is bz2 based |
| 17:37:56 | whardier | zacs but it has different levels |
| 17:38:16 | zacs | building an rpm is easier... vi foo.spec instead of the debian vi * approach |
| 17:38:23 | whardier | most of thetime on a non rpm based system.. its a pain to get into them |
| 17:38:24 | zero1 | i just use rpm to either install, remove or update - nothing real fancy |
| 17:38:40 | zacs | the dependencies system on debian is way better |
| 17:38:51 | whardier | zacs its actually easier to build a deb in my own opinion |
| 17:38:55 | whardier | + that |
| 17:39:02 | zacs | and apt-get is nice |
| 17:39:03 | whardier | the dependancy system kicks ass.. |
| 17:39:48 | whardier | zacs I am not really distro agnostic.. I enjoy the effort that is debian. |
| 17:39:52 | zero1 | is the dir structure that much different? |
| 17:40:02 | whardier | zero1 for /etc yeah |
| 17:40:11 | ibweb | Hello all. I'm having problems running a simple app that I did for the zaurus (hello world:) . can anyone help please? |
| 17:40:23 | mark__ | ibweb: whats the prob? |
| 17:40:27 | zero1 | what's the problem |
| 17:40:48 | zero1 | cleaner? |
| 17:41:02 | zacs | whardier: my biggest problem with debian is they wait so long between stable releases, they almost force users to use unstable |
| 17:41:16 | zero1 | i will install debian on my laptop and check it out |
| 17:41:34 | zacs | i have no problems with unstable, but if i'm using it for production... |
| 17:41:39 | zero1 | i checked out freebsd, i didn't like it to much |
| 17:41:49 | zero1 | and i really don't like solairs |
| 17:42:03 | ljp | I use Spliff Linux |
| 17:42:06 | mark__ | zacs: yes, but its (meant to) mean that its a good secure release |
| 17:42:08 | mark__ | uses gentoo |
| 17:42:10 | whardier | zacs.. its like drugs.. once yougo unstable..younever goclean |
| 17:42:16 | ibweb | mark__: Well, I found this tutorial in the qt docs (hello world) (file:///opt/Qtopia/doc/html/t1.html) . I took me a while to get it compile and to run the virtual framework but I did. the problem that I have is that after the icon flashes nothing else happens |
| 17:42:39 | whardier | upgrading redhat to unstables level. would take a month |
| 17:42:45 | zero1 | maybe the .desktop file is not setup right? |
| 17:43:03 | whardier | ibweb can you run it from konsole? |
| 17:43:06 | zacs | whardier: unstable on a production system is weeks of fiddling to get it perfect |
| 17:43:45 | zero1 | i'll give it a fair shot, i've beed using redhat far to long anyhow |
| 17:43:48 | zacs | thats why i'm agnostic, i appreciate the goods of different distros |
| 17:43:54 | whardier | zacs.. not rightnow.. the moon is at the right phase |
| 17:44:10 | zacs | whardier: heh :) |
| 17:44:20 | zero1 | windowmaker anyone? |
| 17:44:26 | whardier | zacs I do daily updates on my production servers |
| 17:44:35 | whardier | every once in a while.. I have to fiddle |
| 17:44:38 | ishmal | i wish that the Qt/E docs had a list of Qt widgets that are not supported, like "avoid these" |
| 17:44:57 | whardier | I also use apt-proxy to store the packages on another server |
| 17:45:41 | whardier | then when I install fresh.. after the machines have done their daily update. I ger around 9000k on the download |
| 17:45:57 | whardier | and poof.. it lives |
| 17:46:02 | ishmal | ;-) the programmer that is doing the GUI for our project, i told here to not make any window or dialog larger than 240x320 |
| 17:46:14 | zacs | whardier: i have a local deb mirror :) |
| 17:46:25 | whardier | zacs: I did.. haha.. then I ran out of room |
| 17:46:48 | whardier | zacs: that is when I switched to apt-proxy |
| 17:46:54 | zacs | whardier: :) |
| 17:47:06 | whardier | zacs: and found Ihad more bandwidth |
| 17:47:08 | whardier | haha |
| 17:47:37 | zero1 | arg, i lost my history - can you guys tell me what messenger client is in this vnc server demo -> pls |
| 17:47:40 | zero1 | http://www.zauruszone.com/ib3/cgi-bin/ikonboard.cgi?s=3c66aaaa61eaffff;act=ST;f=13;t=20 |
| 17:47:43 | mark__ | ibweb: any luck? |
| 17:47:43 | ibweb | whardier | mark__ : one second. the cable guy is here. I'll be back in a few minutes |
| 17:48:03 | zero1 | kompany or something? |
| 17:48:18 | ishmal | here's some more stuff about the Z http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT7091060803.html |
| 17:48:42 | mtm_away | zero1: tkcJabber |
| 17:48:54 | mark__ | whardier: hmm - that image on an ipaq doesnt look as good. the background fading bit doesnt work quite properly - this probabbly because of lack of colours? |
| 17:49:29 | zero1 | do you have a link where i can grab it? |
| 17:49:35 | whardier | mark__: most likely |
| 17:49:51 | whardier | mark__: dd if=/dev/fb0 of=neat.raw (on the ipaq) I wanna see |
| 17:49:51 | scanline | is away: food(sorta) |
| 17:49:52 | mtm_ | zero1: it's commercial, from theKompany |
| 17:49:53 | mark__ | whardier: do you have the source for that image so i can take the background out? |
| 17:50:04 | zero1 | ah thanks |
| 17:50:05 | whardier | mark__ ? |
| 17:50:13 | mark__ | whardier: the gimp file or whatever it was created in |
| 17:50:16 | mark__ | whardier: okay, one sec |
| 17:50:25 | zacs | mtm_: is it available yet? |
| 17:50:26 | whardier | mark__ no..no gimp file |
| 17:50:27 | mtm_ | zero1: tkc==theKompany.com |
| 17:50:42 | whardier | mark__: just choose the right background color. then flatten the image in gimp |
| 17:50:49 | zero1 | ah, ok |
| 17:51:20 | zero1 | i get dir listing denide on their site |
| 17:51:24 | mark__ | whardier: okay |
| 17:51:25 | zero1 | weird |
| 17:51:31 | zacs | zero1: http://www.thekompany.com/embedded/tkcjabber/ |
| 17:51:32 | ibweb | mark__: well I run this app from the qvfb & and then qpe. I have not try to upload to the console yet. I was looking into the example directory, and they have a ui file created with the designer. the tutorial soesn't have that but I'm not sure if is that the problem. I created the executable file, the .desktop file and the .png file place them in the rigth locations (or I think I did :) |
| 17:51:45 | mark__ | what do i do with this .raw file? |
| 17:51:45 | tux_mike | hrmmm... |
| 17:52:02 | tux_mike | ljp: i found my problem with the layout... the menubar was fuggoring it up |
| 17:52:48 | mark__ | ibweb: if you have the exec just try and run it from the konsole (./myapp -qws) while you have the qvfb running |
| 17:52:57 | whardier | mark__ shane@bogomip.com |
| 17:53:41 | scanline | is back (gone 00:03:49) |
| 17:54:04 | mark__ | whardier: okay if i send it to that screen shot service? (i haven't set up nfs yet to transfer stuff off the ipaq) |
| 17:54:14 | ibweb | mark__ : ok, let me try |
| 17:54:40 | whardier | mark__ there is a screen shot service? |
| 17:54:43 | whardier | dude |
| 17:54:44 | whardier | use that! |
| 17:54:45 | whardier | haha |
| 17:55:04 | whardier | ibweb are you a novel writer? |
| 17:55:10 | mark__ | whardier: :) |
| 17:55:28 | whardier | I swear.. if you ever call me up for support.. or email me or anything.. I will praise you.. |
| 17:55:37 | whardier | if more people were as verbose.. my life would be easy |
| 17:57:49 | zero1 | kompany has some nice stuff - is there another site that has commercial apps for the Z? |
| 17:58:00 | ibweb | mark__ : great, how come it runs like this and not the other way? |
| 17:59:45 | mark__ | ibweb: must be a problem with your .desktop file |
| 18:00:25 | mark__ | whardier: http://desk.crynwr.com/scap/ |
| 18:00:30 | ljp | zero1: I'll seel you my app if you want |
| 18:00:39 | zero1 | what is it? |
| 18:00:40 | ljp | s/seel/sell |
| 18:00:44 | mark__ | whardier: it looks a lot lot better there though...... |
| 18:01:02 | ljp | http://sourceforge.net/projects/gutenbrowser |
| 18:02:24 | zero1 | that's cool - too bad i don't read :( |
| 18:02:39 | zero1 | i should, maybe i would spell better |
| 18:02:51 | mark__ | too bad the books on guten are all 100 years old |
| 18:03:19 | zero1 | that prob wound'nt help my spelling then |
| 18:04:41 | ljp | mark: thats why they can distribute them.. there is no copyright on them |
| 18:04:43 | whardier | mark_ neat |
| 18:05:03 | whardier | mark_ I forgot. the iPaq has a 16 bit FB with a 16-12 bit converter |
| 18:05:03 | mark_ | whardier: it doesnt look that good on my actual ipaq though :( |
| 18:05:16 | ibweb | mark__: where do you think the error could be? |
| 18:05:18 | whardier | its all good.. thanks for testing that out :) |
| 18:05:58 | mark_ | ibweb: it doesnt work when you try and start it from qpe yes? |
| 18:06:08 | mark_ | whardier: i am confused ;) |
| 18:06:19 | weimer | I'd like to create something like "imagemaps" in HTML: An image where you can click on different regions to activate a behavior. Any hints on how to do this in QT/E? |
| 18:06:25 | zero1 | let me ask you'all this - should i get a cell phone with infrared or wait for sharpmobile.com ? do any of you currently use the Z wirelessly - (not wireless lan) |
| 18:06:51 | ibweb | mark__: yes. |
| 18:07:00 | mark_ | ibweb: load qpe from a konsole |
| 18:07:12 | mark_ | ibweb: then see what error you get when trying to run your app |
| 18:08:08 | ibweb | mark__: the funny thing is that it does not display an error. when I click on the icon, it hangs, it just says in the shell "executing Hello..." |
| 18:08:29 | whardier | mark_ confused about the 16 bit part? |
| 18:08:42 | whardier | mark_ the screen on an ipaq is specifically targeted for 12 bit |
| 18:08:58 | mark_ | whardier: yes, and why it looks good when i sent /dev/fb0 up and not when i look at it here |
| 18:09:07 | whardier | mark_ nobody would want to write a 12 bit driver. so they had the hardware that drives the screen do 16 to 12 bit conversion when it writes to the screen |
| 18:09:24 | whardier | so when you capture the fb0 it is in 16 bit |
| 18:09:28 | mark_ | whardier: oh right. i see |
| 18:09:43 | mark_ | whardier: why couldn't they just put a 16bit display in? :( |
| 18:09:57 | whardier | cause they are not kewl like sharp |
| 18:10:02 | whardier | then again sharp makes displays :) |
| 18:10:09 | mark_ | lol |
| 18:10:24 | whardier | time to watch some anime |
| 18:10:28 | mark_ | so i'll just take out the background from the image |
| 18:10:32 | mark_ | and it'll look good :) |
| 18:10:35 | whardier | never seen Blue Seed.. and I got 1/2 the series here |
| 18:10:45 | zero1 | any advise in wireless? |
| 18:11:05 | whardier | mark_ in gimp change the color amount of the screencap to 4096 |
| 18:11:12 | whardier | zero1 I run a LOT of wireless |
| 18:11:20 | zero1 | for the Z? |
| 18:11:24 | zero1 | cell wise |
| 18:11:34 | mark_ | whardier: i dont have gimp working atm :( the gimp package is broken |
| 18:11:35 | whardier | zero1: I would actually much rather have a pcmcia slot on the Z |
| 18:11:58 | whardier | zero1: most every CF wifi card is about 1/4 the strength of most pcmcia cards |
| 18:12:11 | zero1 | you've seen this http://www.sharpmobile.com |
| 18:12:15 | ljp | that would drive me bonkers if gimp was broken... :) |
| 18:12:20 | zero1 | with that will we be able to ssh etc |
| 18:12:45 | whardier | zero1: nope I ma gonna check that out |
| 18:12:52 | whardier | mark_ got image magick |
| 18:13:03 | whardier | convert -colors 4096 +dither in.png out.png |
| 18:13:45 | mark_ | whardier: installing it now |
| 18:13:59 | whardier | neato |
| 18:14:25 | ishmal | weimer: its not that hard, especially if you do rectangular areas, just keep an array or vector "hotspot" structures |
| 18:14:59 | tux_mike | gah. |
| 18:15:03 | ishmal | weimer: like struct { int left; int right; int top; int bottom; int value; } Hotspot; |
| 18:15:24 | tux_mike | anyone know how to set the max size of a grid layout cell? |
| 18:15:41 | ishmal | check all of them to see if the mouse click is inside one, if so, return the value |
| 18:15:52 | ibweb | is away: I'm busy |
| 18:16:36 | ibweb | I'm going to eat lunch |
| 18:17:08 | zero1 | talk to yall later, i'm out of here |
| 18:17:33 | mark_ | whardier: what is converting the image gonna do? |
| 18:18:50 | ishmal | speaking of images, does QtE support jpeg by default? i know in Qt you have to set an option to enable it |
| 18:19:04 | ishmal | when building |
| 18:20:14 | ljp | ishmal: no.. better to use png anyway |
| 18:20:39 | ishmal | hopefully my boss is doing the paperwork right now to get us licenses for Qt on windows and Unix |
| 18:21:18 | weimer | ishmal: how do I get the point that has been clicked? |
| 18:21:20 | ishmal | ljp: yeah, if i am developing, i prefer png anyway, im thinking if the app gets an image from the net |
| 18:21:55 | ishmal | weimer, add a SIGNAL processing function for the mouse click |
| 18:22:15 | ishmal | its in the docs |
| 18:22:29 | ishmal | oops! |
| 18:22:36 | ishmal | sorry, i was thinking Gtk |
| 18:22:56 | mark_ | ishmal: eugh! :-) |
| 18:23:37 | ishmal | i think you overload some method, right? (i havent doen low-level on Qt yet) |
| 18:23:59 | weimer | ishmal: Am I doing right when using "PixmapLabels" for the images? |
| 18:24:32 | weimer | ishmal: wait a moment, I'm just checking whether I could use ordinary buttons ;-) |
| 18:25:04 | scanline | is away: food(sorta) |
| 18:25:09 | ishmal | yeah, if you could use transparent buttons, it would be trivial |
| 18:25:52 | weimer | ishmal: Damn, I was dumb! I can use multiple buttons to create the whole image and set all of them to be flat! |
| 18:26:15 | ishmal | damn, the Z still doesnt have most time zones |
| 18:26:28 | ishmal | UTC-6 ;) |
| 18:29:28 | mark_ | whardier: dissapeared? =) |
| 18:29:49 | whardier | newp |
| 18:29:57 | whardier | just on too many damn channels |
| 18:30:11 | JasonNJ | heya |
| 18:30:16 | mark_ | heya JasonNJ |
| 18:30:30 | whardier | mark_ converting the image should be a close representation to the 12 bit converter |
| 18:30:40 | mark_ | whardier: okay |
| 18:31:19 | mark_ | whardier: is there another way apart from removing the background completely to make it look good 12bit? |
| 18:31:36 | whardier | well |
| 18:31:39 | whardier | explain what it looks like |
| 18:32:10 | whardier | I converted to 12 bit.. its not all that different |
| 18:33:02 | whardier | do you have a digital camera? |
| 18:33:09 | mark_ | well the middle section is all grey, then it suddenly hops to another colour, then there are tonnes of lines as it fades to white |
| 18:34:03 | ishmal | ok, there it is, overload this: virtual void mousePressEvent ( QMouseEvent * ) |
| 18:34:04 | mark_ | whardier: yes, but i'm confined to bed atm and its downstairs |
| 18:34:35 | mark_ | whardier: can i see the converted image? |
| 18:34:54 | JasonNJ | anything interesting happen this weekend? |
| 18:35:06 | JasonNJ | I was kinda out of it..upgrading one of my other web sites, egullet.com |
| 18:35:54 | mark_ | JasonNJ: not that i'm aware of |
| 18:36:17 | mark_ | JasonNJ: opie got a dvorak input method....... :) |
| 18:36:24 | whardier | mark_ confined to bed? |
| 18:36:29 | whardier | do you have a kinky girl? |
| 18:36:30 | JasonNJ | running complicated dynamic web sites are a huge pain in the ass |
| 18:36:36 | mark_ | whardier: hehe, ill :) |
| 18:36:55 | whardier | so I might have a HUGE government DOD contract |
| 18:37:00 | whardier | for an awesome dynamic website |
| 18:37:12 | JasonNJ | DOD? |
| 18:37:12 | whardier | which basically requires on my part this: apt-get install zope |
| 18:37:18 | whardier | Department of Defense |
| 18:37:25 | JasonNJ | I take it nobody else will see your work though |
| 18:37:34 | whardier | JasonNJ not my work |
| 18:37:37 | whardier | it will be a secured server |
| 18:37:47 | whardier | I will just admin the machine |
| 18:37:57 | JasonNJ | I used to do a few government contracts |
| 18:38:00 | JasonNJ | way back when |
| 18:38:02 | JasonNJ | for OS/2 |
| 18:39:07 | whardier | HAHA |
| 18:39:07 | whardier | neat |
| 18:39:10 | whardier | anyhoot |
| 18:39:14 | whardier | I have some anime to watch |
| 18:39:18 | whardier | and a chick to forget about |
| 18:39:24 | whardier | so TTYL |
| 18:40:17 | JasonNJ | man pistachios are addictive |
| 18:40:20 | mark_ | c ya whardier |
| 18:40:48 | JasonNJ | its too bad pistachios come from iran |
| 18:41:05 | JasonNJ | the axle of evil. |
| 18:41:38 | ljp | axle? |
| 18:41:51 | JasonNJ | yeah thats bush's term for it now |
| 18:41:51 | whardier | JasonNJ: go to your closest safeway clone.. and grab some Jalepeno Pistachios |
| 18:42:03 | JasonNJ | whardier: I like the big expensive organic ones |
| 18:42:06 | mark_ | likes pistachios too |
| 18:42:12 | JasonNJ | the expensive ones are from california |
| 18:42:18 | JasonNJ | the cheap ones are from iran |
| 18:42:27 | ishmal | iranians have that pistachio taffee that's really damn good |
| 18:42:46 | JasonNJ | turkey does too |
| 18:42:53 | JasonNJ | as does italy |
| 18:44:47 | whardier | arsnic laced pistacios |
| 18:44:54 | ibweb | is back (gone 00:29:03) |
| 18:48:56 | nasa | Hey, ibweb how is the program coming? |
| 18:49:32 | mark_ | whardier: convert: png.c:5247: WritePNGImage: Assertion `number_colors <= 256' failed. |
| 18:49:33 | mark_ | Aborted |
| 18:52:59 | whardier | -depth 12 |
| 18:53:00 | ibweb | nasa: Hey nasa. well, mark_ help me to run it like ./Hello -qws. like that it works but I can't figure why it doesn't work when I run the qpe . |
| 18:54:36 | mark_ | whardier: okay, working, but i cant view the bloody thing :) - no gimp - konq isnt displaying it proplery |
| 18:55:24 | whardier | display out.png |
| 18:55:30 | whardier | comes withimagemagick |
| 18:55:31 | ibweb | nasa: About the qtopia desktop for linux, where was it that I could get it from?. I want to upload the app to the sharp |
| 18:56:04 | mark_ | whardier: grr its gone black now |
| 18:56:10 | file | Hello World! |
| 18:56:15 | whardier | mark_ :) |
| 18:56:28 | whardier | mark_ being frustrated is not gonna help you get better |
| 18:56:34 | mark_ | whardier: i know |
| 18:56:37 | whardier | on a laptop? |
| 18:56:55 | mark_ | nope |
| 18:57:01 | whardier | you have your computer in bed? |
| 18:57:01 | mark_ | instructs his mother to fetch the digital camera |
| 18:57:07 | whardier | haha |
| 18:57:12 | whardier | you are just a little goober! |
| 18:57:18 | mark_ | =) |
| 18:57:44 | whardier | haha |
| 18:57:47 | whardier | that is funny |
| 18:57:50 | whardier | sorry.. |
| 18:58:02 | whardier | I fear what my children will own one day |
| 18:58:10 | mark_ | its my dads! |
| 18:58:14 | whardier | ahh |
| 18:58:16 | whardier | ok |
| 18:58:20 | whardier | he is a linux goober? |
| 18:58:22 | mark_ | no |
| 18:58:27 | mark_ | grr he left it on |
| 18:58:30 | mark_ | it now has no pwer |
| 18:58:42 | mark_ | why can't ANYTHING be easy? |
| 18:59:05 | whardier | cause |
| 18:59:11 | whardier | what you need is a lapdance |
| 18:59:29 | mark_ | struggles out of bed and plugs the camera in |
| 19:00:07 | whardier | oh don't make it sound like you are in pain or anything |
| 19:02:17 | scanline | is back (gone 00:37:12) |
| 19:03:12 | mark_ | hehe |
| 19:03:18 | mark_ | taking a pic of a tft isn't easy........ |
| 19:03:35 | whardier | newp |
| 19:03:39 | whardier | macro - flash |
| 19:03:47 | whardier | you have o mount the camera |
| 19:03:49 | whardier | to |
| 19:03:58 | mark_ | why? |
| 19:04:39 | mark_ | and i want to use flash? - when i tried that i just got the screen as totally white |
| 19:09:35 | mark_ | from El Reg - Sharp has promised there will be 10,000 apps available for the platform by the end of March 2002 - is this correct? |
| 19:11:53 | ljp | HA! 10,000?!? |
| 19:12:13 | mark_ | =) |
| 19:12:23 | mark_ | JasonNJ: is that right? |
| 19:12:50 | ljp | boy.. some of us better start writing qiote a few more apps to do that! |
| 19:13:00 | mark_ | hehe |
| 19:14:24 | mark_ | can not wait for the contest apps to be released - i'm desperate for that RPN calculator |
| 19:14:40 | ljp | whats RPN? |
| 19:14:49 | mark_ | reverse polish notation |
| 19:15:51 | ljp | aaahhh.. I'm no good at math, so I stay away from it. |
| 19:16:06 | JasonNJ | oh man they cancelled Family Guy |
| 19:16:10 | JasonNJ | thats like one of my favorite shows |
| 19:16:30 | JasonNJ | first the Tick and now Family Guy. damn. |
| 19:16:38 | file | WHAT?!?!?!?! |
| 19:16:39 | file | No no no |
| 19:16:40 | file | they didn't |
| 19:16:43 | file | NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO |
| 19:16:46 | file | crys |
| 19:16:53 | JasonNJ | yep, they did |
| 19:16:57 | JasonNJ | theres a petition for it |
| 19:16:58 | file | life sucks |
| 19:17:43 | dragorn | JasonNJ: Again? |
| 19:17:49 | JasonNJ | yep |
| 19:17:52 | dragorn | JasonNJ: They cancel that thing about every year and a half |
| 19:18:00 | dragorn | It'll probably be back, again. |
| 19:19:07 | file | good |
| 19:19:30 | JasonNJ | thats a hillarious show |
| 19:19:37 | JasonNJ | I felt reall bad about the Tick though |
| 19:20:01 | file | I didn't like it I have to admit |
| 19:20:34 | dragorn | I didn't imagine the tick would last. I liked it, but it didn't stand on its own -- if you watched the cartoon, you'd probably like it, but if you didn't see the cartoon you probably won't care for it. |
| 19:21:19 | JasonNJ | Family Guy is great because its totally non-pc |
| 19:21:23 | dragorn | and nick is cancelling Invader Zim. I should just disconnect my cable. |
| 19:21:56 | file | what's "nick"? |
| 19:22:11 | dragorn | Nickelodeon. Cable network that ran Zim. |
| 19:22:18 | file | ahhhh |
| 19:22:29 | dragorn | I guess they're making a few more episodes, but it's not getting full funding and it's slated to go away |
| 19:22:31 | file | is Canadian ya 'know |
| 19:22:32 | dragorn | which is really too bad. |
| 19:22:42 | dragorn | file: Ever hear of Johnny the Homicidal Maniac? |
| 19:22:46 | dragorn | file: Comic book |
| 19:22:48 | file | nope |
| 19:23:08 | dragorn | file: Oh well. Same guy as Invader Zim. Search around online, you can find some episodes encoded I'm sure, it's very strange. |
| 19:23:32 | file | uh huh |
| 19:23:48 | dragorn | kicks his ipk... "Still can't get the Z add software manager to show it. It knows it's installed... it just won't list it as something to be installed." |
| 19:23:51 | dragorn | Oh well. |
| 19:35:00 | weimer | is away: eating |
| 19:41:58 | ep0ch | everyday a new VNC server comes out.... |
| 19:48:44 | scanline | is away: "short nap" |
| 20:00:56 | ibweb | is away: I'm busy |
| 20:19:02 | whardier | anybody wanna give me a spectrum analyzer |
| 20:20:29 | ljp | hmmm/.. that might be my next project |
| 20:25:12 | whardier | ljp wanna find a way to take slices of 2.4ghz and pad them down to khz signals |
| 20:25:19 | whardier | :) |
| 20:25:48 | whardier | if we could somehow make a 100mhz - 4.2ghz SA.. I might just be happy |
| 20:28:13 | whardier | slap one of thes in a zaurus |
| 20:28:13 | whardier | http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1701719236 |
| 20:31:05 | ljp | that's kinda big to fit into it... :) |
| 20:45:20 | ljp | wonders where source code goes when the project dies... *sigh* |
| 20:49:54 | wellstead | hmmm, just found out about the 1.10/1.11 roms... whats in them? d/ling now |
| 20:50:19 | wellstead | any hancom office stuff? |
| 20:51:43 | wellstead | it doesn't appear to be listed on the sharp site... |
| 20:52:26 | ljp | no handcom |
| 20:52:34 | ljp | err hancom |
| 20:53:11 | wellstead | oh... anything of major interest? |
| 20:53:59 | ljp | less bugs.. more compatibility |
| 21:02:52 | dragorn | couple of weird quirks in the 1.11, mediaplayer crashes on some mpegs if it's not in fullscreen mode, but it's not officially released |
| 21:03:50 | kergoth | greetings. |
| 21:04:04 | dragorn | greetings. |
| 21:04:45 | dragorn | kergoth - You fixed my problems the other day, care to try again? ;) |
| 21:05:15 | whardier | ker |
| 21:05:17 | whardier | goth |
| 21:07:32 | peanut | has done it.. |
| 21:07:37 | peanut | i should stop reading the darn forums.. |
| 21:07:41 | Fastolfe | Hello everybody |
| 21:07:47 | peanut | hey fastolfe! |
| 21:07:48 | ljp | done what? |
| 21:07:56 | peanut | read my latest forum postings.. |
| 21:08:06 | ljp | which forum? |
| 21:08:08 | peanut | i should keep my mouth shut.. there's really no point.. |
| 21:08:17 | peanut | i dunno, one of the sharp forums.. |
| 21:15:16 | Fastolfe | damn |
| 21:15:16 | JasonNJ | very interesting. |
| 21:15:17 | Fastolfe | reboot time |
| 21:15:33 | JasonNJ | there Montavista Preemptibe Kernel Patch made it into the Linux Kernel. |
| 21:15:39 | JasonNJ | patched in by Linus. |
| 21:15:54 | JasonNJ | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS3989618385.html |
| 21:27:13 | peanut | hey jason! |
| 21:27:19 | peanut | hows it going? you taking it easy? |
| 21:29:03 | NeoTron | Gah |
| 21:29:16 | NeoTron | is there a way go remove the (x) button from a window? |
| 21:29:26 | whardier | window->noX() |
| 21:31:21 | Fastolfe | Stupid driver |
| 21:31:43 | whardier | driving miss daizie? |
| 21:31:52 | Fastolfe | heh |
| 21:32:00 | Fastolfe | cdcether driver |
| 21:32:12 | Fastolfe | == shite |
| 21:32:22 | peanut | ahh.. |
| 21:32:26 | peanut | so whats your workaround? |
| 21:32:42 | Fastolfe | still working on it, I can't seem to make it go |
| 21:32:51 | Fastolfe | but I can panic my kernel :) |
| 21:34:10 | dragorn | Someone ported the old driver module up, works well for me |
| 21:34:53 | Fastolfe | what do you mean ? |
| 21:35:12 | Fastolfe | are you talking about the "stick the old module in the new ROM" method ? |
| 21:35:43 | dragorn | vindaci moved old cdcether code into the new rom and built a rom rebuild of it, and soemone here yesterday pulled it out into a single .o module for net_fd. |
| 21:36:05 | dragorn | Yes, basically sticking the old module in the new rom. |
| 21:36:08 | Fastolfe | yeah ok |
| 21:36:23 | Fastolfe | I'm trying to make the cdcether module work with the new module |
| 21:36:29 | dragorn | nods |
| 21:37:04 | dragorn | I looked at it briefly and then decided I didn't care enough to try to migrate it. But I'm also lazy. |
| 21:37:12 | Fastolfe | heh :) |
| 21:37:24 | Fastolfe | Actually I'm starting to lose patience with it |
| 21:37:31 | dragorn | That and my vmware install is on the office box, and I'm not, and I don't feel like kernel panicing. ;> |
| 21:38:08 | dragorn | Not that I've tested vmware 3's usb support, either. |
| 21:38:09 | Fastolfe | well, my biggest project for the spring is to turn off my windows box and move it out of my cubicle |
| 21:38:17 | Fastolfe | so I have to finish the linux porting :) |
| 21:38:24 | dragorn | did that the day wine ran notes |
| 21:38:39 | Fastolfe | notes on wine == pain |
| 21:38:45 | Fastolfe | at least last I check, 6 mths ago |
| 21:38:47 | dragorn | Runs great for me |
| 21:38:58 | dragorn | Ditched my nt box in the corner and never looked back |
| 21:39:04 | Fastolfe | well, the truth is, notes == pain |
| 21:39:08 | dragorn | yes |
| 21:39:10 | dragorn | that is true. ;P |
| 21:39:14 | peanut | runs linux on my desktop and my laptop. |
| 21:39:19 | Fastolfe | notus bloat |
| 21:39:23 | whardier | forgot what windows was |
| 21:39:26 | peanut | the nice thing is, i finally have every device on each box fully supported |
| 21:39:34 | whardier | has 4 machines running linux here in the house |
| 21:39:39 | whardier | one is about to be netbsd |
| 21:39:48 | peanut | has a dell c800 and it runs linux beautifully |
| 21:39:50 | whardier | that is its fate today |
| 21:40:10 | Fastolfe | netbsd huh ? |
| 21:40:12 | Fastolfe | what for ? |
| 21:40:36 | whardier | well |
| 21:40:39 | whardier | this Cobolt Qube 2 |
| 21:40:46 | whardier | linux is supported under it |
| 21:40:51 | whardier | but only in 2.0.x kernels |
| 21:40:55 | Fastolfe | ouch |
| 21:40:57 | Fastolfe | okay |
| 21:41:00 | whardier | support has mildly degraded |
| 21:41:06 | whardier | its nead |
| 21:41:06 | whardier | err |
| 21:41:06 | whardier | neat |
| 21:41:11 | whardier | no need for lilo |
| 21:41:17 | whardier | it just looks at the first partition for a /boot |
| 21:41:24 | whardier | and loads the vmlinux.gz |
| 21:41:35 | Fastolfe | I worked on Motorola MCG boards that are like that |
| 21:41:41 | whardier | gimme some |
| 21:41:44 | Fastolfe | lol |
| 21:41:50 | Fastolfe | right, $5000 boards :) |
| 21:41:56 | whardier | I promise I will make it worth your while |
| 21:42:10 | Fastolfe | ain't mine, it's company stuff |
| 21:42:14 | whardier | oh |
| 21:42:16 | whardier | then steal it |
| 21:42:19 | whardier | I know you wanna |
| 21:42:20 | Fastolfe | okay |
| 21:42:23 | whardier | accounting will never notice |
| 21:42:25 | Fastolfe | runs off to the server room |
| 21:42:34 | whardier | NEAT! |
| 21:42:36 | Fastolfe | picks the lock |
| 21:42:39 | whardier | want my Address! |
| 21:42:41 | Fastolfe | lol |
| 21:42:51 | dragorn | Nice trick. Openfirmware on the PPC (used) to do something like that, it'd boot right off the drive |
| 21:43:01 | dragorn | sans a thirdparty bootloader |
| 21:43:12 | Fastolfe | Drago: don't say that, whardier will force you to steal things for him :) |
| 21:43:18 | dragorn | I dunno if it still does, I'm out of the PPC loop |
| 21:43:27 | dragorn | Fastolfe: I couldn't steal what I work on. ;P |
| 21:43:36 | dragorn | Fastolfe: Bigger than I can lift. |
| 21:43:45 | Fastolfe | Drago: you'd be surprised what whardier can make you do |
| 21:43:53 | whardier | you massage the singing fat lady? |
| 21:44:15 | whardier | fears dragorn |
| 21:44:32 | whardier | heart partimage |
| 21:44:38 | Fastolfe | brb nicotine calls |
| 21:44:38 | whardier | now that this cobolt is backed up |
| 21:44:43 | whardier | I can rip its HD apart |
| 21:44:50 | whardier | Fastolfe should not say such things |
| 21:45:07 | dragorn | whardier: Not quite. |
| 21:45:25 | dragorn | whardier: http://www.nerv-un.net/~dragorn/digicam/digicam.php?cat=Work::Migration&pic=g5_beginning.jpg ... Office linbox. ;) Runs a few other things, too, but it's got a couple dozen linux images running. |
| 21:46:18 | whardier | smells fddi |
| 21:46:41 | dragorn | Nah. Escon and ATM. |
| 21:46:44 | whardier | heh |
| 21:46:45 | whardier | GIMME |
| 21:46:49 | whardier | I know you wanna |
| 21:47:13 | whardier | its sunday |
| 21:47:17 | whardier | and I am drinkin |
| 21:47:20 | dragorn | Give me a forklift. |
| 21:47:23 | whardier | cause I FUCKING FEEL LIKE IT ALRIGHT! |
| 21:47:32 | whardier | loves his cider |
| 21:50:02 | | OK, Fastolfe. |
| 21:50:02 | Fastolfe | ibot: Whadier is a total wreck |
| 21:52:20 | em1ssnuke | Hi Aaa |
| 21:52:23 | em1ssnuke | All |
| 21:52:40 | mark_ | does anyone know if these VNC servers will work on ipaqs? |
| 21:52:59 | em1ssnuke | what is an ipaqs? |
| 21:53:07 | em1ssnuke | compaq? |
| 21:53:09 | Fastolfe | mark_: I'm working on a port |
| 21:53:10 | mark_ | IPAQs |
| 21:53:22 | mark_ | Fastolfe: whens it gonna be ready? |
| 21:53:24 | Fastolfe | I just need bzflag to find his serial port :) |
| 21:53:48 | Fastolfe | mark_: I don't know, but it's easy enough, I just need an iPAQ for a day or two |
| 21:53:57 | mark_ | Fastolfe: hehe |
| 21:54:07 | mark_ | needs one in the next 10 minutes or so |
| 21:54:20 | em1ssnuke | I'm looking for a WinXP or WinME USB driver forthe Zaurus is one available? |
| 21:54:32 | Fastolfe | mark_: I know it works in view-only mode |
| 21:54:48 | Fastolfe | mark_: but I need a 'paq with the latest familiar to port the module and the daemon |
| 21:55:02 | wudoo | hello |
| 21:55:34 | mark_ | Fastolfe: hmmmmmm. darn :( - will access to mine over the net do? |
| 21:56:04 | em1ssnuke | I must be barking up the wrong tree. |
| 21:56:31 | Fastolfe | mark_: I tried that with someone on the #opie channel for 2 hours, it's not very practical. But BZFlag has one he's willing to lend me, but he doesn't have a serial cable to stick the latest Familiar on it. I'll ask him on monday |
| 21:57:02 | mark_ | Fastolfe: what actually needs to be done port wise? |
| 21:57:12 | whardier | has lost his power |
| 21:57:29 | whardier | http://segfault.bogomip.com/fin.jpg |
| 21:57:31 | Fastolfe | mark_: the framebuffer code works like on the Zaurus, but the touchscreen events are different |
| 21:57:33 | whardier | gives up |
| 21:57:39 | Fastolfe | mark_: so you can't tap anywhere |
| 21:57:48 | em1ssnuke | What winbloz usb drivers are available? |
| 21:58:14 | mark_ | Fastolfe: i see. and keyboard input? |
| 21:58:20 | whardier | maybe I should not be drinking |
| 21:58:25 | whardier | I keep forgetting where I am putting stuff |
| 21:58:36 | Fastolfe | mark_: yeah, that's easy, it's just a matter or redoing the scancode tables |
| 21:58:41 | whardier | and I am working with small parts at the moment |
| 21:58:46 | whardier | (no.. sickoes.. froma c omputer) |
| 21:59:04 | mark_ | Fastolfe: did you do that or not? (i'll give it a try - but prolly fail miserably) |
| 21:59:30 | em1ssnuke | Look I could upgrade my SuSE platorm to 2.4.16 or better ... but |
| 21:59:32 | whardier | HAH |
| 21:59:35 | whardier | it was in the fridge |
| 22:00:01 | Fastolfe | mark_: yes. You can try it out, just don't use the "-fancy" and "-split" option and you should see your iPAQ screen remotely |
| 22:00:10 | Fastolfe | mark_: but you won't be able to control anything |
| 22:00:17 | mark_ | Fastolfe: where is the source? |
| 22:00:18 | em1ssnuke | I would like to know where a usb driver for WinXP or WinME can be located. |
| 22:00:39 | Fastolfe | mark_: I've got it in my build tree, but I need to clean it up a bit before releasing it |
| 22:01:04 | mark_ | Fastolfe: can you send me a copy? :) - i dont care if its broke |
| 22:01:08 | Fastolfe | mark_: unless you like assembler :) |
| 22:01:13 | Fastolfe | mark_: okay |
| 22:01:21 | mark_ | Fastolfe: where is the assembler in it? |
| 22:01:22 | Fastolfe | mark_: gimme your email |
| 22:01:25 | mark_ | (which i dont know or like :)) |
| 22:01:30 | em1ssnuke | ARM |
| 22:01:30 | mark_ | Fastolfe: mark at houseoffish dot org |
| 22:01:55 | mark_ | em1ssnuke: what about it |
| 22:02:00 | em1ssnuke | FTS |
| 22:02:01 | Triskelios | em1ssnuke: the win32 qtopia desktop... |
| 22:02:19 | em1ssnuke | what is the qtopia desktop? |
| 22:02:39 | em1ssnuke | it contains the driver I'm looking for? |
| 22:05:30 | Fastolfe | mark_: the tarball is a 3.7M, is that okay ? |
| 22:05:58 | Triskelios | em1ssnuke: I don't think the zaurus uses a real driver |
| 22:06:18 | mark_ | Fastolfe: erm, yeh, should be (56k connection though, but shouldn't be a problem) |
| 22:06:26 | mark_ | Fastolfe: unless you can put it on a server somewhere, but dont worry |
| 22:06:47 | em1ssnuke | Yes not the zaurus but eh other side of the USB connsction either Windows or Linux |
| 22:06:54 | Fastolfe | mark_: unless you want to wait until tomorrow, then I'll have it up on a server |
| 22:07:15 | mark_ | Fastolfe: email it please :) - i'd like it for tonight |
| 22:07:18 | Fastolfe | k |
| 22:08:07 | Fastolfe | it's gone |
| 22:08:31 | mark_ | whats the code written in? |
| 22:08:35 | mark_ | excellent, thanks |
| 22:08:58 | Fastolfe | mark_: the code is in C, apart a section that's in strongarm assembler for speed purposes |
| 22:09:22 | mark_ | Fastolfe: and the key scancode stuff is in C? |
| 22:09:31 | Fastolfe | yeah |
| 22:10:10 | Fastolfe | there is a kernel module, a daemon and the server proper |
| 22:10:14 | em1ssnuke | USB Driver for Windows ME or XP to connect to the Zaurus craddle? |
| 22:10:29 | mark_ | Fastolfe: okay |
| 22:10:34 | Fastolfe | puts the source code up on sourceforge |
| 22:11:19 | Fastolfe | mark_: it also contains the VNC server library, and patches to it, and you'll need libjpeg and libz to compile the whole thing |
| 22:11:40 | mark_ | Fastolfe: how big is it compiled? |
| 22:11:49 | Fastolfe | about 100k for the server |
| 22:12:11 | whardier | I think my cat stole the ther thing I was looking for |
| 22:12:37 | em1ssnuke | How do you determine the FlashROM version of the Zaurus? |
| 22:12:52 | mark_ | Fastolfe: okay. cheers. is it gonna take me long to do the keyboard scan codes? |
| 22:12:54 | Fastolfe | em1ssnuke: look in the Qtopia "info" thing |
| 22:13:02 | dragorn | em1ssnuke: "System Info" applet |
| 22:13:23 | Fastolfe | mark_: well, you'll have to go in the familiar kernel to lift the scancode table |
| 22:13:41 | em1ssnuke | says i have 1.5, is this old? |
| 22:13:54 | Fastolfe | mark_: or you can write a little script that sends things to the keyboard simulation device driver and see what comes back in the console |
| 22:14:10 | Fastolfe | em1ssnuke: that's the qtopia version |
| 22:14:28 | mark_ | Fastolfe: first sounds easier and quicker :) |
| 22:14:37 | Fastolfe | mark_: don't count on it :) |
| 22:15:00 | mark_ | Fastolfe: grrr :) - /me was hoping for a quick easy solution |
| 22:15:03 | em1ssnuke | fast_ right, it does not discuss the 'flashrom version' |
| 22:15:20 | Fastolfe | mark_: heh, it's not, it's kind of tedious actually |
| 22:15:21 | em1ssnuke | fast_ kernel is 2.4.6 |
| 22:15:38 | Fastolfe | em1ssnuke: does it say a version number "--/--" anywhere ? |
| 22:16:37 | mark_ | Fastolfe: heh, may leave it for you then :) |
| 22:16:40 | Fastolfe | mark_: also, remember that you also have to change the touchscreen daemon, and disable the zaurus LoCoMo thing for the LEDs |
| 22:16:50 | Fastolfe | mark_: or you can wait till I do the port |
| 22:16:56 | em1ssnuke | fast_ cat of /prov/version only reveals 2.4.6 |
| 22:17:22 | Fastolfe | em1ssnuke: I mean, in the "system info" thing, does it say --/-- ? |
| 22:17:35 | mark_ | Fastolfe: yes, i may well do that |
| 22:17:57 | Fastolfe | mark_: k, it won't take me long when I can get my hands on a 'paq |
| 22:19:00 | em1ssnuke | fast_ ... no dont see it ... there are for screens available only one has any version info |
| 22:19:06 | em1ssnuke | 4 |
| 22:19:18 | Fastolfe | hmm hold on a sec |
| 22:20:03 | dragorn | em1ssnuke: That most likely means you have the initial rom version that shipped with the Z's. |
| 22:20:14 | Fastolfe | okay, in the 4th tab, it should say "built on:" with a date, or "--/--" |
| 22:20:26 | em1ssnuke | yep ... that figures ... how bad off am i? |
| 22:20:40 | em1ssnuke | Oct 23 2001 |
| 22:20:54 | Fastolfe | uuh I see |
| 22:21:19 | em1ssnuke | Just got it this week |
| 22:21:42 | Fastolfe | uuh I see |
| 22:21:45 | Fastolfe | oops |
| 22:22:11 | dragorn | em1ssnuke: It'll all work, the new rom's just have some new programs/updates/etc. You might want to consider flashing to a newer one. |
| 22:22:12 | em1ssnuke | do i really need extra RAM/Flash module to do any development? |
| 22:22:24 | Fastolfe | em1ssnuke: no |
| 22:22:35 | dragorn | em1ssnuke: You need a CF module to flash the rom, but that's all that absolutely requires it |
| 22:22:47 | Fastolfe | em1ssnuke: I find that the most useful thing you can get for your Zaurus is a network card |
| 22:22:48 | em1ssnuke | How do I perform the update with out a USB connection ... |
| 22:22:49 | Fastolfe | $30 |
| 22:23:14 | em1ssnuke | What about ethernet via the USB? |
| 22:23:28 | Fastolfe | em1ssnuke: yeah that works |
| 22:23:34 | dragorn | Are there any CF to PCMCIA sleeves for the Z, or any in development? |
| 22:23:40 | Fastolfe | em1ssnuke: but the network card lets you develop for USB :) |
| 22:23:42 | lucifferr | hi there |
| 22:23:50 | em1ssnuke | k |
| 22:24:03 | em1ssnuke | is there a WinXP or WinME USB driver? |
| 22:24:07 | Fastolfe | Drago: for a CF->PCMCIA sleeve, you'd have to have an external power supply |
| 22:24:16 | em1ssnuke | to connect to the Zaurus with? |
| 22:24:19 | dragorn | highly doubts IBM will make a CF tokenring card. ;P |
| 22:24:30 | Fastolfe | Drago: CF *is* PCMCIA with a different connector and draws less power |
| 22:24:49 | dragorn | Fastolfe: Yes, that's why I was asking if any sleeves were planned to let you run full size pcmcia. |
| 22:25:13 | dragorn | Fastolfe: Since some cards are not, and never will be, available in a CF factor (like the tr NIC) |
| 22:25:20 | Fastolfe | dragorn: well, I can't see how you'd to that without batteries in the sleeve, or a wall wart |
| 22:25:25 | dragorn | nods. |
| 22:26:02 | Fastolfe | dragorn: if you make one, you might have a business opportunity there :) |
| 22:26:15 | Fastolfe | dragorn: I sure would buy one |
| 22:26:22 | em1ssnuke | fast_ for a usb connectivity I need a drver for WinXP or WinME |
| 22:26:37 | Fastolfe | em1ssnuke: yes, it came on the CD you got with the Z |
| 22:27:09 | em1ssnuke | I only have Win2K and 98 did see the other 2 ... so there their already ... shit |
| 22:27:21 | em1ssnuke | did not see the ... |
| 22:27:22 | Fastolfe | heh |
| 22:27:30 | Fastolfe | hmm |
| 22:27:37 | em1ssnuke | THNKS! |
| 22:27:42 | Fastolfe | well, when I stick the CD in the drive, I can see drivers for 95 to XP |
| 22:28:01 | Fastolfe | brb |
| 22:29:30 | wudoo | where can i get latest build qtopia? |
| 22:29:32 | mark_ | Fastolfe: cheers, i'm off |
| 22:31:52 | Fastolfe | k seeya |
| 22:32:59 | Fastolfe | looks at a dead CF card on his desk and contemplates hacking it into a pcmcia sleeve :) |
| 22:34:43 | Fastolfe | grabs an xacto knife ... |
| 22:35:33 | dragorn | Let me know how it works out. ;) |
| 22:35:56 | Fastolfe | Funny how hard this thing is to open |
| 22:37:47 | Fastolfe | got it ! |
| 22:38:28 | Fastolfe | why hell CMS :) |
| 22:39:24 | Fastolfe | rips off a SCSI3 ribbon cable |
| 22:39:26 | em1ssnuke | fast_: ok rebooted into XP The disk only shows Win2K and Win98 ... no WinME or WinXP ... or am I wrong here |
| 22:39:47 | Fastolfe | hmm |
| 22:39:50 | Fastolfe | lemme check |
| 22:41:17 | Fastolfe | Mine has 95, 98. ME, 2000 and XP |
| 22:41:30 | em1ssnuke | ...crap |
| 22:41:41 | em1ssnuke | ok who do I call ! |
| 22:41:48 | em1ssnuke | @SHarp |
| 22:41:57 | Fastolfe | try to install the 2000 version, I bet it'll work with XP |
| 22:43:03 | em1ssnuke | I've done dd dev in WinNT/95 I'm a little leary on this .. could you supply hte XP driver to me? |
| 22:43:48 | Fastolfe | em1ssnuke: Hold on |
| 22:43:54 | em1ssnuke | k |
| 22:46:11 | wudoo | can i install zaurus on ipaq? |
| 22:47:12 | Fastolfe | damn |
| 22:47:17 | em1ssnuke | ? |
| 22:47:32 | Fastolfe | am1: I just realized, this is not a public CD I have, it's a Lineo internal one |
| 22:47:59 | em1ssnuke | ok, who can I call to aid me in my dvelopment efforts ... ;) |
| 22:48:19 | Fastolfe | em1ssnuke: I can't believe nobody has XP here : HEY GUYS, WAKE UP, HOW TO INSTALL THE MCCI DRIVER ON XP ? |
| 22:48:40 | dragorn | has no form of windows. |
| 22:49:00 | Fastolfe | em1ssnuke: I think 2000 must work on XP, surely Sharp thought about that |
| 22:49:21 | em1ssnuke | All: Have SuSE7.3 but not he update for the 2.4.16 plus kernel |
| 22:49:25 | dragorn | em1ssnuke: My sharp came with a booklet of windows install directions, check yours, is all I can suggest. |
| 22:49:50 | em1ssnuke | fast_: k, ... i'll try it ... but shurder in the possiblities of problems |
| 22:50:17 | em1ssnuke | My booklet only discussed Win2K and 98 |
| 22:50:20 | Fastolfe | em1ssnuke: naaw, and if you really need a separate driver, ask Jason |
| 22:50:28 | Fastolfe | JasonNJ: you here ? |
| 22:51:04 | | JasonNJ was last seen on #zaurus 1 hours, 35 minutes and 10 seconds ago, saying: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS3989618385.html [Sun Feb 10 21:15:54 2002] |
| 22:51:04 | Fastolfe | ibot seen JasonNJ |
| 22:51:09 | Fastolfe | hmm |
| 22:51:15 | dragorn | hey, does the Z console app have color support? |
| 22:51:30 | Fastolfe | should |
| 22:51:32 | em1ssnuke | That's fine .. i'll attempt it and report back .. thanks |
| 22:51:33 | dragorn | nods |
| 22:51:42 | dragorn | Cool. Time to get vim ported. ;) |
| 22:51:46 | em1ssnuke | bye for now |
| 22:51:49 | Fastolfe | seeya |
| 22:51:52 | Fastolfe | good luck |
| 22:51:59 | em1ssnuke | thanks ;) |
| 22:52:06 | Fastolfe | dragorn: ah! no actually, you need the color ls |
| 22:52:15 | Fastolfe | the ls in there is busybox' |
| 22:52:42 | dragorn | Fastolfe: I didn't mean for ls, I just wondered if it supported color output in general |
| 22:53:04 | Fastolfe | dragorn: I don't understand |
| 22:53:09 | Fastolfe | dragorn: what do you mean |
| 22:53:10 | Fastolfe | > |
| 22:53:10 | Fastolfe | ? |
| 22:53:56 | dragorn | Fastolfe: I mean, does it support standard vt terminal color codes. Yes, color ls, but also any other text application that uses color, ie, vim6 with syntax hilighting |
| 22:54:38 | Fastolfe | dragorn: the console is a standard Linux console, so if your app does console hightlighting, then yes |
| 22:54:45 | Fastolfe | I haven't tried tho |
| 22:54:48 | dragorn | nods. "Alright then." |
| 22:55:24 | dragorn | Because "standard console" isn't really. vis. "xterm" and "color-xterm", if I recall. The former doesn't interpret color sequences. |
| 22:55:30 | dragorn | will try it out with telnet. |
| 22:55:30 | Fastolfe | should know better by now, but he's going to solder cms pads with his portable butane soldering iron again |
| 22:55:52 | Fastolfe | dragorn: if color doesn't come out, try to export TERM=linux |
| 22:58:55 | Fastolfe | DAMN I KNEW IT |
| 22:59:04 | Fastolfe | just trashed his CF connector |
| 22:59:07 | Fastolfe | grrr |
| 23:01:26 | dragorn | yes, it does color |
| 23:07:41 | Fastolfe | hey bzf |
| 23:10:09 | roge99 | is back (gone 05:50:20) |
| 23:24:41 | em1ssnuke | Fast_: K, you are right the WDM driver did work. Guess I need to learn WDM dd dev, :) |
| 23:25:56 | em1ssnuke | Fast_: New Q attempted telnet and got connection refused by host (host is the Zaurus) ... what do I nedto do now? |
| 23:26:05 | whardier | I love you all |
| 23:26:06 | whardier | but I hate netbooting a qube 2 |
| 23:27:17 | em1ssnuke | ? |
| 23:27:30 | em1ssnuke | Fast_: are you here? |
| 23:27:35 | Fastolfe | yeah |
| 23:27:47 | em1ssnuke | did you get my last ... |
| 23:27:51 | Fastolfe | reading it |
| 23:28:18 | Fastolfe | did you get a connection with the Z ? |
| 23:28:26 | em1ssnuke | yes, ping works |
| 23:28:37 | Fastolfe | hmm |
| 23:28:41 | Fastolfe | ooh duh |
| 23:28:49 | Fastolfe | there is no telnet daemon on the Z :) |
| 23:29:30 | Fastolfe | try to install the SSH package here : http://www.zauruszone.com/ib3/cgi-bin/ikonboard.cgi?s=3c67023b7f66ffff;act=SF;f=15 |
| 23:30:05 | em1ssnuke | do I install via ftp? |
| 23:30:28 | Fastolfe | yeah |
| 23:30:44 | Fastolfe | or use the sync application |
| 23:30:48 | Fastolfe | (qtopia desktop) |
| 23:31:25 | em1ssnuke | qtopia desk top is new to me ... what is it used for? |
| 23:34:57 | em1ssnuke | what ia an ipk file? |
| 23:35:34 | file | yes? |
| 23:35:59 | em1ssnuke | file_: what is an .ipk file? |
| 23:36:24 | file | shrugs |
| 23:36:38 | Fastolfe | ipk file == package |
| 23:36:43 | Fastolfe | like .rpm or .deb |
| 23:36:53 | em1ssnuke | fast_: thanks |
| 23:36:57 | Fastolfe | sure |
| 23:37:13 | Fastolfe | brb work |
| 23:37:19 | em1ssnuke | fast: k |
| 23:38:26 | Fastolfe | sorry, I'm installing new box so I have to switch console all the time :) |
| 23:38:42 | em1ssnuke | fast_: not a problem |
| 23:39:19 | em1ssnuke | fast:_ when I ftp the .ipk file to the Z what is the next step? |
| 23:43:53 | Guest | . |
| 23:44:13 | nasa | Hey em1ssnuke: ipk files are packages (like rpm), once you place the file on the Z use file manager to find them (from the z of course) |
| 23:44:32 | em1ssnuke | nasa_: thanks |
| 23:44:55 | nasa | Once you get to the file, selecting on it should bring up the install program |
| 23:45:04 | file | who's getting to me? |
| 23:45:09 | file | is right here |
| 23:45:14 | file | file found! |
| 23:45:50 | em1ssnuke | nasa: thanks file: not sure but does the use of file in a message ping you? |
| 23:46:11 | file | ping me no |
| 23:46:16 | file | it just makes the titlebar flash |
| 23:46:24 | file | and the icon flash |
| 23:46:52 | nasa | oh... |
| 23:47:01 | em1ssnuke | Ah ... pretty generic name ... |
| 23:47:08 | Twiun | anybody remember what option ps needs to give me memory sizes of processes? |
| 23:48:22 | em1ssnuke | ps -ef |
| 23:48:55 | Fastolfe | grrr |
| 23:49:39 | em1ssnuke | doesn't sound good .... |
| 23:50:07 | Twiun | hrmm... em1ssnuke, tried that - no memory sizes... pid's and ppid's, but no sizes :( |
| 23:50:18 | em1ssnuke | sorry |
| 23:50:36 | em1ssnuke | not at my ref material right now |
| 23:50:50 | Twiun | that's ok - I'm trying to get this on the Z |
| 23:51:07 | Twiun | and all it gives me so far is pmem... which is fine but unwieldly |
| 23:51:21 | Twiun | grumbles at busybox |
| 23:51:33 | file | Twiun: is it too busy? |
| 23:51:41 | Twiun | grins |
| 23:51:49 | Fastolfe | BZFlag: you here mister ? |
| 23:51:49 | Twiun | it's a little too stripped |
| 23:51:57 | file | Twiun: put some clothes on it! |
| 23:52:24 | Twiun | file: You mean... recompile it???? what am I - a proper developer??? ;-) |
| 23:52:37 | file | Twiun: a proper developer? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA |
| 23:52:40 | file | falls down laughing |
| 23:52:40 | Twiun | file: I'll stick to Java for now - until my company gets me on that course |
| 23:52:50 | file | screams |
| 23:52:56 | file | Java? your... using... Java? |
| 23:53:14 | Twiun | file: it gets worse... |
| 23:53:20 | Fastolfe | file: that's okay, not everybody has seen the light :) |
| 23:53:22 | file | of all the things... Java |
| 23:53:31 | Twiun | file: I do it... professionally... |
| 23:53:37 | file | I've only seen the "Hello World" Java thing and it's appaling |
| 23:53:49 | file | professionally?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?! what is the world coming to!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 23:54:00 | em1ssnuke | I've got a nuke plant in java at my web site ... hehe |
| 23:54:02 | Twiun | file: give the Javanoids thing a go - it's very nice |
| 23:54:09 | file | Twiun: no |
| 23:54:11 | nasa | Hey, Don't be so harsh on the guy |
| 23:54:19 | file | Twiun: would you like to order a "Java Sucks" hat? |
| 23:54:29 | file | nasa: but Java, of all the things, JAVA! |
| 23:54:34 | Twiun | file: much better than the java on the Z by default |
| 23:55:07 | Twiun | file: Java... management buzzword - it's money... dirty, I know, but money nonetheless |
| 23:55:15 | file | yuck |
| 23:55:15 | Fastolfe | Java on the Z is wrong, it's like putting a backpack full of sand on some grandmother's back |
| 23:55:18 | file | has been poisoned |
| 23:55:23 | file | anybody got some Anti-Java? |
| 23:55:31 | file | Fastolfe: I agree |
| 23:55:37 | Twiun | rolls on the floor laughing |
| 23:55:48 | em1ssnuke | C++ isn't much better |
| 23:55:56 | em1ssnuke | C is the way to go. |
| 23:56:01 | Fastolfe | yeah, and XML, just look at qtopia :) |
| 23:56:01 | file | Give me plan ol' C anyday! |
| 23:56:02 | Twiun | Like I said... I'm getting on a few courses asap |
| 23:56:03 | file | er plain ol' |
| 23:56:18 | Fastolfe | file: why do you think my VNC server is so damn fast ? |
| 23:56:23 | Fastolfe | file: assembler baby |
| 23:56:38 | em1ssnuke | _asm ... in C |
| 23:56:43 | Fastolfe | yeah |
| 23:56:47 | Fastolfe | that's what it is :) |
| 23:56:50 | nasa | Who said C++ is not much better!!! |
| 23:56:51 | file | I just do perl and C. |
| 23:56:54 | em1ssnuke | me |
| 23:57:16 | em1ssnuke | virtual anything and inheritence casue code bloat |
| 23:57:19 | Fastolfe | nasa: it's not because you stick 2 silly operators after C that it's better |
| 23:57:30 | file | lol |
| 23:57:42 | file | OK OK OK |
| 23:57:49 | file | How about this: "Stick to what you know". |
| 23:57:49 | nasa | OOP is a significant advance |
| 23:58:03 | Fastolfe | object-oriented programming is a great concept that doesn't work in reality because computers are not fundamentally object-oriented machines |
| 23:58:03 | file | or "Don't do more then you have to, so you'll have more time to do what you want to" |
| 23:58:11 | em1ssnuke | yes in high level ... but it has it place |
| 23:58:16 | em1ssnuke | it's |
| 23:59:25 | Fastolfe | somebody should port Forth to the Z, now that would be a concept |
| 23:59:35 | nasa | Computers are not high level language machines either |
