| 00:00:11 | PanicOpticon | What do you figure the odds of me getting that to compile under familar are? ;o) |
| 00:00:41 | kergoth | the usb netowrking driver? hmmm I dunno. ask BZFlag. |
| 00:03:12 | PanicOpticon | thanks for the info i gotta run |
| 00:03:15 | kergoth | np |
| 00:03:16 | kergoth | ttyl |
| 00:03:21 | dragorn | kergoth: Always takes too long, doesn't it. |
| 00:03:26 | PanicOpticon | bbl... |
| 00:03:53 | kergoth | dragorn: thats an understatement |
| 00:04:24 | dragorn | You know, I should duct tape my zaurus to our s/390 at work and take a picture. ;) Big linux and little linux. |
| 00:04:39 | kergoth | hah. nice commercial |
| 00:04:47 | mtm | yeah |
| 00:05:01 | mtm | just set the Z on the floor next to the big iron |
| 00:05:44 | dragorn | nods |
| 00:06:06 | dragorn | Actually, it'd be the double z, since the new big iron is the z/Series. ;) |
| 00:06:20 | mtm | ha |
| 00:06:28 | mtm | linux from, uh, z to z |
| 00:06:31 | kergoth | hah |
| 00:07:17 | ibweb | Question: Should I flash the Rom to the lastest version or is better to use the current one? |
| 00:08:02 | kergoth | ibweb: use the latest if you dont mind losing linux usb network connectivity. use the 1.02 rom if you use java and need linux connectivity. use openzaurus beta 2.6 if you dont need java. |
| 00:08:08 | kergoth | heheh |
| 00:08:45 | kergoth | k i go home now |
| 00:08:52 | kergoth`work | is away: went home |
| 00:09:08 | ibweb | Kergoth: Thanks |
| 00:14:26 | ibweb | Question: Where can I find docs about zaurus and QT/EMB , Like user guides and references in pdf or a file that I can download(I found html but not pdf) |
| 00:15:24 | treke | ibweb : download the qt source |
| 00:15:33 | treke | ibweb : It has the html docs in there |
| 00:15:58 | ibweb | Thanks |
| 00:16:28 | treke | it maybe in a smaller package somewhere else, but its in there |
| 00:21:44 | treke | anyone here know why a setContentPos doesnt work if called right after a setText with a QTextView? |
| 00:25:07 | NeoTron | perhaps the contents isn't updated yet? /me has no clue really |
| 00:28:04 | tux_mike | jawa. |
| 00:29:16 | treke | NeoTron : Thats the only thing I can guess. there doesnt seem to be any signal when the text is actually loaded though |
| 00:36:03 | NeoTron | textChanged? |
| 00:37:01 | treke | is that TextView or MultiLineEdit? |
| 00:37:24 | NeoTron | qtextbrowser it seems |
| 00:37:47 | treke | hmmm, I could probably use qtextbrowser :) |
| 00:38:56 | ep0ch | evenin' all |
| 00:40:25 | ep0ch | wots new then? |
| 00:41:20 | tux_mike | jawa! |
| 00:41:53 | ep0ch | whats that then? |
| 00:46:06 | tux_mike | who shot who in the what now? |
| 00:46:48 | ep0ch | me |
| 00:52:16 | ep0ch | that new nvc server is sweet :) |
| 00:53:12 | ep0ch | vnc even.... can you tell i've been drinking ;) |
| 00:53:48 | tux_mike | can you tell i've been coding? |
| 00:54:13 | ep0ch | nah |
| 00:54:18 | tux_mike | gets wacky when coding :) |
| 00:54:25 | ljp | me too- coding all frickin day! |
| 00:54:27 | tux_mike | well you aren't seeing me on the other network :) |
| 00:54:31 | ljp | in between customers |
| 00:54:44 | scanline | is away: food(sorta) |
| 00:54:47 | ep0ch | i get fed up with coding at work |
| 00:54:53 | tux_mike | ljp: mine's worse, it's mindless drone work for school |
| 00:55:02 | ep0ch | i have no time for coding with Z |
| 00:55:06 | tux_mike | ljp: what do you do? tech support? |
| 00:55:39 | ljp | heh no. more mundane. |
| 00:55:47 | tux_mike | what? |
| 00:55:48 | ljp | nothing tech at all |
| 00:55:59 | ljp | I own a shippuing/packing/mailboxes place |
| 00:56:12 | ep0ch | knock knock |
| 00:56:19 | tux_mike | oooook. |
| 00:56:56 | tux_mike | and you program... go figure :) |
| 00:57:13 | ljp | I just about have a snapshot applet ready |
| 00:57:35 | tux_mike | i got the inspiration to make my flashcard program into a real program :) |
| 00:57:39 | NeoTron | whee!! |
| 00:57:51 | ep0ch | anyone got any zaurus pr0n? |
| 00:57:53 | ep0ch | ;) |
| 00:58:47 | tux_mike | hrm... nother luni meeting... maybe i should actually go to this one |
| 00:59:45 | PanicOpticon | Hullo |
| 01:00:14 | ljp | hi |
| 01:01:16 | PanicOpticon | anything mindboggling going on? |
| 01:01:32 | ljp | yep- its friday |
| 01:01:59 | PanicOpticon | Really? I hadnt noticed. |
| 01:02:43 | PanicOpticon | anyone here have a good knowledge of the hardware side of the Zaurus? |
| 01:02:47 | ljp | heh- that's why I'm drinkin rum, and writing code |
| 01:02:57 | tux_mike | mmmm rum and code |
| 01:03:05 | ep0ch | coding and alchohol is badQ!!! |
| 01:03:08 | tux_mike | i could go for one of those right now :) |
| 01:03:09 | ep0ch | ba |
| 01:03:10 | ep0ch | d |
| 01:03:28 | ljp | not fer me |
| 01:03:38 | ep0ch | u nutta |
| 01:04:03 | tux_mike | i wanna try getting smashed and writing a program... i heard you get... um... unpredictable... results :) |
| 01:04:06 | ljp | driving and alcohol is bad :) |
| 01:04:20 | ljp | ya.. ya gotta slide into it |
| 01:04:32 | tux_mike | with my luck, i'd make perfect code drunk :) |
| 01:04:47 | skout | ljp no no writing drivers drunk is bas |
| 01:04:52 | skout | bad |
| 01:04:55 | ljp | anyoneknow how I can create my own 'named' resource pixmap? |
| 01:05:23 | tux_mike | hrm... writing device drivers drunk |
| 01:05:31 | ljp | is there something special I have to do to get it to find it? |
| 01:07:33 | ep0ch | would anyone be interested if i released a pr0n collection for the trolltech comp? |
| 01:08:37 | PanicOpticon | interested... i donno, amused sure. |
| 01:08:47 | ep0ch | i'll win for sure ;) |
| 01:08:58 | dragorn | Somewhere in one of my projects I have a big hunk of code commented out with the header "Never try to code drunk again." |
| 01:09:18 | ljp | drinking != drunk |
| 01:09:20 | ep0ch | omg! you stole my code! |
| 01:09:39 | dragorn | ep0ch: I think many many programs have that comment in them somewhee |
| 01:09:42 | dragorn | somewhere. |
| 01:09:58 | ljp | if I get to the point where I am drunk, I am usually not inspired to code |
| 01:10:25 | ep0ch | i'll sue you all ;) |
| 01:10:27 | PanicOpticon | Or "Sleep first, code later" |
| 01:10:32 | BZFlag | PanicOpticon: why do you want the Z usp driver under familiar on an iPAQ? |
| 01:10:53 | PanicOpticon | cause im too lazy to try and write drivers for USB-Eth on Win32 |
| 01:10:58 | BZFlag | the ipaq and the Z will not talk to each other over usb. both are clients. neither has a host interface |
| 01:10:59 | ep0ch | usually when your drunk theres better things on your mind :) |
| 01:11:23 | PanicOpticon | I dont want them to talk to eachother |
| 01:11:43 | BZFlag | you want the ipaq to talk to windows then? |
| 01:11:48 | PanicOpticon | :nods: |
| 01:11:53 | BZFlag | that should be possible. |
| 01:12:28 | BZFlag | you need to take the ipaq kernel, turn off all usb support, include the usbd directory from the Z, and build that version in the ipaq kernel. |
| 01:13:38 | PanicOpticon | is the USB hardware handled by the SA chip? |
| 01:16:05 | PanicOpticon | my concern is that if I go to all that trouble I will suddenly discover to my own horror that the hardware isnt compatable. |
| 01:16:18 | PanicOpticon | which knowing my luck is what will happen. |
| 01:20:33 | BZFlag | yes sa1110 has usb client built in. |
| 01:21:17 | PanicOpticon | any idea if theres any off chip processing that it does? |
| 01:22:12 | PanicOpticon | (im looking at the block diag but its not telling me a great deal) |
| 01:23:11 | kergoth | re |
| 01:23:22 | PanicOpticon | 'evenin |
| 01:23:48 | scanline | is back (gone 00:29:03) |
| 01:24:30 | kergoth | brb |
| 01:35:02 | kingalba | hello |
| 01:35:58 | PanicOpticon | hi |
| 01:44:43 | kergoth | re |
| 01:44:53 | PanicOpticon | hi |
| 01:44:58 | kergoth | how goes it? |
| 01:45:07 | PanicOpticon | slowly with much whining. |
| 01:45:09 | PanicOpticon | and yourself? |
| 01:46:15 | kergoth | heh. not bad. eating pizza, trying to get openzaurus 3 operational |
| 01:47:55 | tux_mike | kergoth: are you including the unifont? |
| 01:48:21 | PanicOpticon | I really wish I had the cash to buy a Zaurus... blasted money. |
| 01:48:52 | BZFlag | PanicOpticon: afaik usb client on zaurus and ipaq are the same. might be some gpio differences that I'm not thinking of at present. |
| 01:49:55 | PanicOpticon | well thats good news, too bad i cant thank him for it. |
| 01:50:29 | zacs | heh |
| 02:18:29 | kendrick2 | re |
| 02:19:01 | Fastolfe | hey |
| 02:19:09 | kendrick2 | how goes it? |
| 02:19:14 | Fastolfe | ok, u ? |
| 02:19:21 | kendrick2 | washed m'car |
| 02:19:29 | Fastolfe | heh |
| 02:19:32 | Fastolfe | I should do that too |
| 02:19:49 | kendrick2 | going to a funeral tomorrow :( |
| 02:19:55 | kendrick2 | 'service', actually, i guess |
| 02:20:09 | Fastolfe | that sux |
| 02:20:18 | kendrick2 | have to go to fscking san jose on a train at god-awful-too-early o'clock on monday |
| 02:20:25 | Fastolfe | whgee |
| 02:20:31 | Fastolfe | how bout flying ? |
| 02:20:40 | kendrick2 | hehehe |
| 02:20:47 | kendrick2 | take less time to drive or take the train |
| 02:20:53 | Fastolfe | oooh ok |
| 02:21:19 | Fastolfe | DAMN |
| 02:21:29 | Fastolfe | Ranch dressing all over the keyboard |
| 02:22:23 | PanicOpticon | Look at all the pretty compiler errors. |
| 02:26:27 | kendrick2 | kergoth? |
| 02:33:37 | PanicOpticon | resolve you dressing problem? |
| 02:33:43 | Fastolfe | yes :) |
| 02:34:14 | Fastolfe | I have two keyboards, when I mess one up, I wash it with water, let it dry and use the other one in the meantime |
| 02:34:56 | PanicOpticon | someone i know tried putting theirs in a dishwasher... needless to say hes none to bright |
| 02:35:10 | Fastolfe | heh |
| 02:35:28 | Fastolfe | I wash mine regularly (dip them and all) and they still work fine |
| 02:36:06 | PanicOpticon | huh, i always used the little rounded toilet brush kinda things |
| 02:36:11 | Fastolfe | lol |
| 02:36:26 | PanicOpticon | dont act like you dont know what im talking about ;oP |
| 02:36:32 | Fastolfe | I know |
| 02:36:45 | Fastolfe | but I find washing the stupid thing in running water quicker |
| 02:37:16 | Fastolfe | and the toilet brush won't do me any good with a bunch of dressing salad in between the keys :) |
| 02:37:40 | PanicOpticon | this is true... |
| 02:38:16 | PanicOpticon | i remember when i used to work in tech services... |
| 02:38:43 | PanicOpticon | someone sent us a keyboard covered in vomit and expected us to repair it. |
| 02:38:57 | Fastolfe | bbeeah |
| 02:39:04 | Fastolfe | nasty shit |
| 02:39:23 | PanicOpticon | Yea... theres a reason I dont do that anymore. |
| 02:39:27 | Fastolfe | lol |
| 02:39:37 | Fastolfe | A friend of mine in France used to work for UPS |
| 02:39:39 | Fastolfe | he said |
| 02:39:57 | Fastolfe | someone sent a flimsily packaged box that (of course) broke |
| 02:40:11 | Fastolfe | in the warehouse, it started to stink like crazy |
| 02:40:28 | Fastolfe | turns out, the package contained concentrated deer urine |
| 02:40:33 | PanicOpticon | uh-oh. |
| 02:40:46 | Fastolfe | that was sonebody's idea for payback against UPS :) |
| 02:41:17 | Hellaenergy | Hey zaurus : |
| 02:41:33 | Fastolfe | Hey mister, who's you ? |
| 02:41:46 | Hellaenergy | anything cool happen while I was gone? |
| 02:42:05 | Hellaenergy | Any z's self destructing |
| 02:42:11 | Fastolfe | yeah, Sharp was giving away free Z to everybody on the channel, but they ran out 1hr ago |
| 02:42:13 | Fastolfe | too bad |
| 02:42:22 | Hellaenergy | ah damb |
| 02:42:24 | Hellaenergy | :) |
| 02:42:25 | Fastolfe | :) |
| 02:42:35 | Hellaenergy | 5500 I bet too |
| 02:42:38 | Fastolfe | I need to build my Zaurus morse key interface |
| 02:42:44 | Fastolfe | yes of course, what else |
| 02:43:23 | Fastolfe | cracks the Z open and pulls out the soldering iron |
| 02:43:47 | PanicOpticon | grins. |
| 02:44:09 | kendrick2 | runs off |
| 02:44:51 | Hellaenergy | Are you the one to send our z's to for the upgrade Fastolfe :) |
| 02:45:05 | Fastolfe | heh |
| 02:45:07 | Hellaenergy | You won't need the money after you win the contest :) |
| 02:45:17 | PanicOpticon | heh, I gotta run |
| 02:45:20 | PanicOpticon | ttyl |
| 02:45:26 | Fastolfe | no, eventually the morse key will be plugged on the audio port |
| 02:45:35 | Fastolfe | but for now I have to rev. engineer the sound plug |
| 02:46:12 | Hellaenergy | Rebuild the wheel |
| 02:46:28 | Fastolfe | wheel ? |
| 02:56:17 | Mallory | So I had an IBM 40G DeskShit go on my last weekend |
| 02:56:28 | Mallory | Think IBM would let me RMA it in exchange for a microdrive? :) |
| 02:58:21 | kergoth | hah i wish. ive got a bad 60gb ibm sitting on my desk |
| 03:08:27 | ljp | screenshotapplet: |
| 03:08:28 | ljp | http://www.zauruszone.com/ib3/cgi-bin/ikonboard.cgi?s=3c64925c3bc6ffff;act=Attach;ID=77;f=13;t=21;p=1 |
| 03:12:30 | scanline | is away: buying junk food |
| 03:23:06 | JasonNJ | hey dudes. |
| 03:23:14 | JasonNJ | anyone know how to do a http redirect in a html file? |
| 03:23:27 | Aelfweld | yeah hold on |
| 03:23:27 | JasonNJ | like, you load the file and it automatically redirects you to a different website? |
| 03:24:36 | cmdrake | <META HTTP-EQUIV="Refresh" CONTENT="7; URL=http://diverdown.simplenet.com/"> |
| 03:24:53 | cmdrake | the # in content is seconds to wait |
| 03:25:00 | cmdrake | i blv 0 is immediate |
| 03:25:30 | JasonNJ | ok so its part of the metatags then |
| 03:25:44 | Aelfweld | javascript is the otherway |
| 03:25:58 | JasonNJ | let me try it the meta way first |
| 03:44:47 | techsucks | !! |
| 03:46:01 | Mallory | @@ |
| 03:46:25 | finkployd | ## |
| 03:52:27 | NeoTron | http://www.sun.com/2002-0206/linux/ <-- page about Sun Linux |
| 03:52:38 | finkployd | anyone have any experience with SMC's CF wireless card? |
| 03:53:29 | s3rous | anyone have a guess at the price of the consumer version of the zaurus? |
| 03:53:46 | finkployd | between $550 and $600 is what I keep hearing |
| 03:53:50 | Mallory | ~$550 |
| 03:54:23 | s3rous | so $150 for 32MB more RAM? |
| 03:54:47 | finkployd | and better battery charger |
| 03:54:51 | Mallory | And a finished product |
| 03:55:04 | s3rous | I was about to order the dev version, but I see that we may not get or be able to run some of the final software |
| 03:55:18 | s3rous | the upside seems that we get terminal etc. and consumers will not |
| 03:55:22 | Mallory | You will be able to run all th final software |
| 03:55:29 | Mallory | (apparently) |
| 03:55:32 | finkployd | hey, you are talking about a 5500 vs a 5000. It is obviously better by about 500 :) |
| 03:55:39 | Mallory | heh |
| 03:55:47 | Mallory | bbl, desktop finally rebuilt |
| 03:55:53 | s3rous | heh |
| 03:56:21 | s3rous | Anyone have any opinions as whether to purchase 5000d now or wait? |
| 03:56:58 | s3rous | I am trying to convince myself that I will be satisfied with the 5000 even when the 5500 comes out so I will not spend another $500 |
| 03:57:07 | finkployd | They were selling 5000d's at linuxworld for $399 and throwing in a 64MB CF card and a spiffy case, so I went for it |
| 03:57:22 | s3rous | whats the link to that? |
| 03:57:42 | s3rous | with a 64MB card I'll go for it |
| 03:57:44 | treke | s3rous : it was an in person thing |
| 03:57:53 | finkployd | I would be super happy if sharp had some kind of "buyback" program where you send them your 5000 + $150 and they send you a 5500 |
| 03:58:02 | s3rous | im on sharpplace.com |
| 03:58:02 | treke | ie you showed up and handed them a check |
| 03:58:35 | momotaro | Does anyone know where I can find the specs for the zaurus sound device (programming)? |
| 03:59:15 | s3rous | finkployd: do you have a link to the site you bought at? |
| 03:59:47 | finkployd | s3rous: No site, you had to be at linuxworld and buy it in person there |
| 04:00:07 | treke | s3rous : linux world was a convention held in new york last month |
| 04:00:20 | s3rous | Are all the dev versions the same? or were the older ones worst? ie: as they develop are they adding it to the units they are selling? |
| 04:00:29 | s3rous | O, i see... i thought you meant the site... |
| 04:00:30 | finkployd | The hardware is the same (imho) |
| 04:00:55 | finkployd | the only thing they keep improving is the software, which you can download and update |
| 04:01:11 | s3rous | hmmmm... |
| 04:01:15 | s3rous | one more question |
| 04:01:23 | s3rous | how is the perl support? |
| 04:01:25 | finkployd | keep 'em coming |
| 04:01:33 | finkployd | (we like questions :) |
| 04:01:36 | s3rous | heh |
| 04:01:39 | s3rous | I like asking |
| 04:01:50 | finkployd | perl has been ported, I haven't tried it myself though |
| 04:01:54 | Mallory | it works |
| 04:01:57 | s3rous | I just sold my ipaq 3850 to buy one of these |
| 04:01:59 | Mallory | It was the first thing I made sure of :) |
| 04:02:30 | treke | thinks the 3850 borders on cooler than the zaurus |
| 04:02:31 | finkployd | I was dangerously close to buying either an ipaq or a palm m505. I'm glad I found zaurus when I did :) |
| 04:02:42 | s3rous | Mallory: Even up to advanced apps? |
| 04:02:50 | finkployd | thinks they should use what I just said in a commercial :) |
| 04:02:54 | s3rous | modules etc.... |
| 04:03:03 | s3rous | can you get CPAN stuff and use it directly? |
| 04:03:10 | treke | the built in speakers and mic in the ipaq are handy |
| 04:03:11 | s3rous | I am new to the handheld stuff... |
| 04:03:42 | treke | s3rous : space could be a major limitation for advanced stuff |
| 04:03:45 | s3rous | I sold the ipaq to get an old laptop to improve my perl programming.... then I thought if I can write on the zaurus ... better |
| 04:03:57 | finkployd | true, but that isn't all that important to me. Having a command line was the major selling point to me :) And the keyboard was suprisingly nice |
| 04:04:11 | treke | finkployd : my ipaq has a comand line :) |
| 04:04:25 | s3rous | not linux tho.... |
| 04:04:27 | finkployd | hmmm, I would think a laptop would be the better development machine for perl (or anything really) |
| 04:04:30 | treke | and using text recognition with it really isnt bad |
| 04:04:36 | treke | s3rous : sure its linux |
| 04:04:44 | s3rous | o, you installed linux.... |
| 04:04:48 | finkployd | linux has been ported to ipaq, I know |
| 04:05:05 | s3rous | i was using ppc2002 |
| 04:05:37 | treke | s3rous : except for some apps on the zaurus, there isnt too much different between the two software wise |
| 04:05:46 | s3rous | finkployd: I know a laptop would be better, but I would like to try out pda dev... and zaurus is cooler and I can hide it in class, work etc.... |
| 04:06:13 | s3rous | treke: so the linux ipaq is close to the zaurus? |
| 04:06:22 | treke | s3rous : very similar |
| 04:06:27 | s3rous | coool |
| 04:06:37 | s3rous | I should have installed that before I sold my ipaq |
| 04:06:54 | treke | the keyboard on the zaurus is cool though |
| 04:07:39 | s3rous | I think it may be worth the extra $150 to buy the zaurus now.... even with less RAM because im sure with software upgrades it will be very similar in the end |
| 04:08:08 | NeoTron | It's nice to have xawtv. :: |
| 04:09:00 | s3rous | brb |
| 04:10:23 | s3rous | xawtv? |
| 04:11:37 | s3rous | later guys... be back when I have mine :) |
| 04:16:05 | finkployd | anyone know of there is drivers/software for the GPS and digital camera CF modules that were made for the HP Jornada? |
| 04:39:52 | NeoTron | Is there really no handle-box or a widget which has a "hide/show" mode builtin? |
| 04:40:46 | treke | handlebox? |
| 04:41:32 | NeoTron | http://developer.gnome.org/doc/API/gtk/gtkhandlebox.html |
| 04:42:05 | NeoTron | I found something like http://developer.gnome.org/doc/API/gtk/gtkhpaned.html in QT but qte doesn't have it |
| 04:42:31 | treke | got to have something like that. seems like a qt toolbar |
| 04:42:38 | NeoTron | it's not |
| 04:42:53 | NeoTron | a toolbar is a specialized version which is basically useless |
| 04:43:05 | treke | toolbar can detach, theres probably parent that can handel it |
| 04:43:13 | NeoTron | I tried |
| 04:43:18 | NeoTron | it's not the right thing |
| 04:43:27 | NeoTron | to begin, I need it to be vertical |
| 05:01:24 | Fastolfe | AH DAMN ! |
| 05:01:38 | kergoth | Fastolfe: ? |
| 05:01:47 | Fastolfe | needs to give up soldering cms with his trusty pocket butane soldering iron |
| 05:02:21 | MEGASTeP | is away: I'm away, dammit |
| 05:02:22 | kergoth | ah |
| 05:03:19 | NeoTron | whee. Fixed. it. :P |
| 05:24:42 | whardier | hi |
| 05:24:57 | whardier | I just fell holding a sleeping 5 year old |
| 05:24:57 | PanicOpticon | Hullo again |
| 05:25:14 | kergoth | re |
| 05:25:16 | whardier | flat on my back cause I tripped over my coffee table |
| 05:25:31 | whardier | the sleeping5 year old continued to sleep |
| 05:25:35 | kergoth | hah |
| 05:25:43 | whardier | his momwasflipping a lid |
| 05:25:45 | whardier | heh |
| 05:26:04 | whardier | but he was still snoring |
| 05:26:25 | whardier | what a wacky kiddo |
| 05:26:31 | whardier | WOWOO |
| 05:26:32 | whardier | Lot #: 6476842 |
| 05:26:32 | whardier | Description: Lucent Tech ORiNOCO Silver 11Mbps Wireless PC Card |
| 05:26:32 | whardier | Quantity: 2 of 2 |
| 05:26:33 | whardier | Price: $59 each |
| 05:26:40 | whardier | YEAHOOOOO! |
| 05:27:10 | PanicOpticon | anything interesting happen recently? |
| 05:27:38 | kergoth | PanicOpticon: not really |
| 05:27:39 | kergoth | heh |
| 05:27:43 | kergoth | yawns |
| 05:27:54 | whardier | kergoth feel like going over a few things? |
| 05:28:04 | kergoth | waits patiently for kernel v2.4.18-pre8-o1-k3 to compile |
| 05:28:07 | kergoth | sure, why not |
| 05:28:09 | NeoTron | whardier: kids are amazing sometimes. :P |
| 05:28:23 | whardier | ok |
| 05:28:26 | whardier | brb |
| 05:28:32 | whardier | switching WNICS |
| 05:29:44 | kergoth | k |
| 05:29:44 | whardier | ok |
| 05:29:46 | whardier | back |
| 05:29:47 | whardier | heh |
| 05:29:50 | kergoth | heh |
| 05:29:57 | whardier | heart dhcp |
| 05:30:12 | whardier | ok |
| 05:30:18 | whardier | starting with a blank directory |
| 05:30:26 | whardier | I wanna grab the most current |
| 05:32:21 | kergoth | ? |
| 05:32:26 | whardier | of OZ |
| 05:32:48 | kergoth | ah |
| 05:32:55 | kergoth | okay, there are two divisons of OZ currently |
| 05:33:00 | whardier | ok |
| 05:33:11 | kergoth | 1) the new buildsystem 2) the old buildsystem you are familiar with, with some tweaks |
| 05:33:31 | kergoth | 1 does not currently build an entire OZ rootfs from source yet, but it will eventually, and its what we're using in the long term |
| 05:33:41 | kergoth | 2 of course still works as a fallback |
| 05:34:01 | kergoth | so I balance coming up with releases using 2), while developing 1) to a usable condition |
| 05:34:18 | whardier | ok |
| 05:34:22 | whardier | what should I get started on |
| 05:34:26 | whardier | I would like to fix wlan |
| 05:34:29 | kergoth | note. 1) /home/kergoth/roms/buildroot-oz, 2) /home/kergoth/roms/oldbuild/ |
| 05:34:38 | kergoth | well |
| 05:34:40 | whardier | cvsimportcmd? |
| 05:34:41 | kergoth | lemme think a sec |
| 05:34:57 | kergoth | the next OZ will be built using jffs2 and the new buildsystem |
| 05:35:22 | whardier | how close is it ? |
| 05:35:24 | kergoth | whardier: if you want to work on wlan, add the wlan-ng package to the 1) buildsystem for use in oz 3 |
| 05:35:37 | whardier | its not buildable |
| 05:35:42 | kergoth | well, i've been having some difficulties getting the freshly built kernel from the buildsystem to run 'init' |
| 05:35:43 | kergoth | hehe |
| 05:36:24 | kergoth | I had to build my crosscompilation env on my local box tonight, because my connection here sucks.. to keep redownloading new initrd.bin's from geezer at 2k/s was killing me |
| 05:36:36 | whardier | hahaha |
| 05:36:37 | whardier | well |
| 05:36:43 | whardier | my connection slightly blows as well |
| 05:36:53 | whardier | can we say suck my fat ass its windy! |
| 05:37:04 | whardier | and I am running wireless |
| 05:37:08 | whardier | so the omni at work keeps flapping around |
| 05:37:14 | whardier | I need to raise and stabalize it |
| 05:38:27 | kergoth | cvs -d:ext:username@cvs.openzaurus.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/openzaurus co buildroot-oz; cd buildroot-oz; make showcomponents; |
| 05:38:29 | kergoth | heh |
| 05:38:33 | whardier | OZ3? |
| 05:38:39 | kergoth | the 1) buildsystem |
| 05:39:58 | whardier | hardwire@geezer:~/roms/buildroot-oz$ make showcomponents |
| 05:39:59 | whardier | make: *** No rule to make target `showcomponents'. Stop. |
| 05:40:41 | whardier | ps -ax |
| 05:40:42 | whardier | haha |
| 05:47:49 | PanicOpticon_ | Bugger. Bloody cable. |
| 05:51:07 | Fastolfe | damn, I have a super-clear morse signal yet my code can't read it :( |
| 05:51:19 | whardier | are you watching Star Trek? |
| 05:51:25 | Fastolfe | me ? |
| 05:51:26 | whardier | they just used morse code |
| 05:51:36 | whardier | like not 30 seconds from when you mentioned morse |
| 05:52:06 | Fastolfe | no, I'm building a small interface to link a 1942 straight key to the Zaurus thru the audio port |
| 05:52:21 | PanicOpticon_ | ;o) |
| 05:52:30 | whardier | Fastolfe HAHA |
| 05:52:37 | whardier | man ESD could help you out there |
| 05:52:41 | Fastolfe | it rocks, but the software is missing key ups for some reason |
| 05:52:45 | Fastolfe | ESD ? :) |
| 05:52:52 | whardier | Enlightened Sound Daemon |
| 05:52:56 | whardier | I had it working |
| 05:53:01 | Fastolfe | heh cool |
| 05:53:04 | whardier | I wanna get it working with the Zaurus audio driver |
| 05:53:08 | Fastolfe | I doubt it would help much tho |
| 05:53:22 | Fastolfe | whardier: good luck |
| 05:53:28 | whardier | well |
| 05:53:29 | whardier | it works |
| 05:53:32 | Fastolfe | that driver is such a damn turd |
| 05:53:33 | whardier | however audio input does not |
| 05:53:42 | whardier | maybe I could acept your advice on it |
| 05:54:19 | Fastolfe | well, the driver is so broken that only a small subset of old ioctl will work, and only if you use the right settings |
| 05:54:27 | Fastolfe | anything else fails silently |
| 05:54:27 | whardier | haha |
| 05:54:38 | whardier | maybe we should make the driver better |
| 05:54:42 | Fastolfe | yeah! |
| 05:54:44 | Fastolfe | no shit |
| 05:54:45 | whardier | like actually have it listen on /dev/dsp0 |
| 05:54:57 | Fastolfe | whardier: you'll get the input from /dev/dsp1 |
| 05:55:11 | whardier | anybody knows what happens when you flick the switch on /dev/dsp |
| 05:55:15 | whardier | while it is playing audio |
| 05:55:16 | Fastolfe | which is another broken shit, but there is a reason for it |
| 05:55:23 | whardier | will it convert stereo to mono for you? |
| 05:55:28 | Fastolfe | flick what switch ? |
| 05:55:44 | whardier | playing audio la la la.. flick the ioctl to go into record mode.. what happens? |
| 05:56:02 | Fastolfe | /dev/dsp is for *output*. the input is from /dev/dsp1 |
| 05:56:06 | Fastolfe | 2 separate devices |
| 05:56:11 | whardier | yeah |
| 05:56:12 | whardier | yeah |
| 05:56:13 | whardier | I know |
| 05:56:14 | whardier | heh |
| 05:56:22 | whardier | I am just asking what happens when you are playing.. and then you record |
| 05:56:30 | Fastolfe | if you use input ioctl, it just ignores them or returns -EINVAL |
| 05:56:49 | whardier | hah |
| 05:57:01 | Fastolfe | that driver is extremely underwhelming |
| 05:57:20 | whardier | what a good word |
| 05:57:41 | Fastolfe | what else do you want me to say ? that it pisses the living shit out of me ? |
| 05:57:59 | whardier | thats a good start |
| 05:58:10 | whardier | the window just hit my cat |
| 05:58:12 | Fastolfe | well it bloody well does. |
| 05:58:14 | whardier | its windy here |
| 05:58:16 | Fastolfe | lol |
| 05:58:39 | NeoTron | Lexx is an odd series |
| 05:58:43 | whardier | damn you |
| 05:58:48 | whardier | NeoTron you can die now |
| 05:58:53 | whardier | only because you have what I want |
| 05:58:55 | whardier | cable |
| 05:59:01 | Fastolfe | Lexx ? |
| 05:59:06 | whardier | a great series |
| 05:59:10 | whardier | with a major hottie on board |
| 05:59:11 | Fastolfe | oh |
| 05:59:24 | whardier | is watching hogans heroes |
| 05:59:26 | NeoTron | Fastolfe: odd Sci-Fi series, on the Sci-Fi channel right now |
| 06:00:10 | Fastolfe | NeoTron: I *would* get the SciFi channel if ATT broadband hadn't decided to stuff my ass with 4 (*FOUR*) fucking religious channels |
| 06:00:35 | whardier | thats foul |
| 06:00:36 | Fastolfe | I guess it makes local mormons all wet in their kaxs |
| 06:00:43 | whardier | HAHAHA |
| 06:00:48 | whardier | ok |
| 06:00:57 | whardier | in all respect for a definate religion |
| 06:01:01 | whardier | shouldn't there only be one channel? |
| 06:01:06 | NeoTron | Fastolfe: oh, those channels are so damn.. uh... not interesting |
| 06:01:09 | Fastolfe | you'd hope |
| 06:01:20 | NeoTron | we have 2 or 3 I think |
| 06:01:27 | whardier | NeoTron: I have one that is neat. |
| 06:01:50 | whardier | basically this guy rips the living shit out of everybody that does not have the demon posessed milky white eyes that he has |
| 06:01:58 | whardier | and quotes scripture while doing it |
| 06:02:09 | whardier | really makes me wanna hit up the old church again for a good spiritual spanking |
| 06:02:25 | Fastolfe | there's KBYU which is the mormon university brainwashing machine, KUED-SLC which is the mormon-tainted version of PBS, and 2 others that are even shittier |
| 06:02:31 | zero1 | hello, hello |
| 06:02:45 | PanicOpticon_ | 'evening |
| 06:02:57 | PanicOpticon_ | i am convinced me iPaq hates me. |
| 06:03:03 | whardier | Fastolfe: my friends kid cannot bring Monsters, INC valentine cards to school |
| 06:03:06 | Fastolfe | okay, time to scrap some code, have a cigarette to think about the prob for a minute, regroup, then come up with some new broken code |
| 06:03:07 | Fastolfe | brb |
| 06:03:32 | whardier | Fastolfe: because they are religious and do not believe science fiction |
| 06:03:33 | PanicOpticon | i think its about time i register this nick |
| 06:04:04 | whardier | I was pretty impressed when in my middle school ages I went to a christian school and they actually had a science class |
| 06:04:17 | zero1 | quick question, in the calandar app when you enter an appointment in and you can choose, meeting, lunch, dinner, travel - any one know how i can edit those cats without editing the xml file itself? |
| 06:04:41 | zero1 | for example, i want one that says, notes |
| 06:04:50 | zero1 | or reminder |
| 06:05:33 | zero1 | it's actually not a cat i guess, it's in the description field |
| 06:05:41 | zero1 | but it has to be coming from somewhere |
| 06:08:12 | zero1 | what was that? |
| 06:08:17 | IPmonger | net burp |
| 06:08:19 | Fastolfe | netsplit |
| 06:08:24 | zero1 | ah |
| 06:08:35 | zero1 | anyone know what i'm talking about? or care? |
| 06:08:57 | Fastolfe | sorry, just came back |
| 06:09:05 | zero1 | this is a dumb question |
| 06:09:11 | zero1 | but it's been bothering me |
| 06:09:15 | zero1 | in the Calendar app |
| 06:09:15 | Fastolfe | The calendar question ? |
| 06:09:19 | zero1 | right |
| 06:09:22 | Fastolfe | I don't know |
| 06:09:30 | zero1 | ok, i'll keep poking at it |
| 06:10:51 | zero1 | you guys would be proud i finially cross complied my first app |
| 06:11:03 | Fastolfe|CRAPMyCodeDoesntWORK | cool bananas man |
| 06:11:16 | zero1 | a console based aim client that uses curses |
| 06:11:18 | Fastolfe|CRAPMyCodeDoesntWORK | is very proud of zero1 |
| 06:11:30 | zero1 | for an idot like me it's an accomplishment |
| 06:11:43 | Fastolfe|CRAPMyCodeDoesntWORK | oh, was it you who was looking for ncurses ? |
| 06:12:03 | zero1 | hmm, i wasn't looking for it, but i did ask a question about it |
| 06:12:14 | Fastolfe|CRAPMyCodeDoesntWORK | x-compiling isn't obvious if you've never done it, you ain't no idiot |
| 06:12:33 | Fastolfe|CRAPMyCodeDoesntWORK | I ported ncurses, I have an ipk if you need |
| 06:12:36 | zero1 | i just needed the .a file and the .h files and it complied ok |
| 06:12:44 | Fastolfe|CRAPMyCodeDoesntWORK | oh ok |
| 06:12:50 | zero1 | is it posted somewhere? |
| 06:13:20 | Fastolfe|CRAPMyCodeDoesntWORK | nope, just like you I only needed the libs and headers, but I usually port the package anyway, it always tuns out to be useful |
| 06:13:30 | Fastolfe|CRAPMyCodeDoesntWORK | It's in my build tree |
| 06:13:41 | zero1 | i did cross complie another one that seemed to complie ok, but when i run it it says, "bus error" |
| 06:13:45 | Fastolfe|CRAPMyCodeDoesntWORK | heh |
| 06:13:53 | Fastolfe|CRAPMyCodeDoesntWORK | which app ? |
| 06:14:04 | zero1 | another version of the same console aim client |
| 06:14:10 | zero1 | what does that mean exactly |
| 06:14:27 | Fastolfe|CRAPMyCodeDoesntWORK | usually that your program tries to access memory it doesn't own |
| 06:14:36 | zero1 | i thought i only had trucks in there |
| 06:14:39 | Fastolfe|CRAPMyCodeDoesntWORK | you get either bus error or segmentation fault, depending |
| 06:14:47 | Fastolfe|CRAPMyCodeDoesntWORK | trucks ? :) |
| 06:14:51 | zero1 | :) |
| 06:14:57 | zero1 | ok, now i undersatnd thx |
| 06:15:31 | zero1 | this is what i get for spending 10 years on perl and never bothing with c/c++ |
| 06:15:44 | Fastolfe|CRAPMyCodeDoesntWORK | perl == rah rah unreadable code to me |
| 06:16:33 | zero1 | heh, i love perl |
| 06:16:40 | Fastolfe|CRAPMyCodeDoesntWORK | yeah, many people do |
| 06:16:59 | Fastolfe|CRAPMyCodeDoesntWORK | I like python, when I have to script something with more power than shell |
| 06:17:25 | zero1 | many perl programmers say python is awsome, i just don't have time to learn something new :) |
| 06:17:27 | ljp | I like VBScript...... not |
| 06:17:34 | Fastolfe|CRAPMyCodeDoesntWORK | DAMN coffee machine leaking again |
| 06:17:34 | Fastolfe|CRAPMyCodeDoesntWORK | brb |
| 06:17:44 | IPmonger | life is indeed better w/out braces, but you may eventually lose your teeth |
| 06:18:18 | zero1 | bye |
| 06:21:22 | Fastolfe|CRAPMyCodeDoesntWORK | I don't get this : the logic analyzer tells me I have a clean signal, save one or two bounces that last no longer than 70ns, and yet the morse daemon seems to pick up junk |
| 06:22:23 | ljp | ... --- ... |
| 06:22:29 | Fastolfe|CRAPMyCodeDoesntWORK | sure thing |
| 06:33:42 | w00t | something fishy is goin on with my Z |
| 06:34:19 | w00t | often it gives me memory errors (not enough) when I only have that app running |
| 06:34:26 | ljp | whats that? |
| 06:34:35 | w00t | and my CPU monitor is showing nearly 90% system cpu util. |
| 06:34:46 | ljp | which rom did you flash? |
| 06:34:59 | w00t | me ,ljp? |
| 06:35:06 | w00t | 1.11 |
| 06:35:07 | ljp | heh yep |
| 06:35:22 | w00t | although it says 1.10 in the system info |
| 06:36:10 | ljp | hmmm.. thats weird |
| 06:36:22 | w00t | i know |
| 06:36:42 | ljp | try downloading 1.11 again and reflashing |
| 06:36:43 | PanicOpticon | ponderes why when he boots he gets a totally black screen from qTopia... |
| 06:37:02 | w00t | hehe |
| 06:37:08 | w00t | maybe |
| 06:38:45 | w00t | 8.9mb used, 200k buffered, 9mb cached, 330k free |
| 06:39:05 | w00t | is a 9mb cache really that necessary? |
| 06:42:23 | w00t | anyway, im out... |
| 06:49:17 | NeoTron | grr |
| 06:49:29 | NeoTron | now dict.org is not responding. |
| 06:49:54 | treke | you've been blocked :) |
| 07:01:56 | NeoTron | up again |
| 07:02:20 | NeoTron | however it still (suddenly, for no reason) crashes when I try to use <pre> formatted text... |
| 07:03:14 | NeoTron | this is real strange |
| 07:11:51 | Fastolfe|CRAPMyCodeDoesntWORK | Damn, I can't put the Zaurus back together |
| 07:20:39 | kendrick2 | is about to upgrade to 1.11-mark-kim ;) |
| 07:21:09 | kendrick2 | where is it again? |
| 07:23:14 | kendrick2 | allo? |
| 07:23:20 | Fastolfe|CRAPMyCodeDoesntWORK | dunn |
| 07:23:22 | Fastolfe|CRAPMyCodeDoesntWORK | dunno |
| 07:24:39 | whardier | http://segfault.bogomip.com/fin.jpg |
| 07:24:48 | whardier | I LOVE YOU ALL! |
| 07:25:28 | Fastolfe|CRAPMyCodeDoesntWORK | jeezus :) |
| 07:25:33 | Fastolfe|CRAPMyCodeDoesntWORK | you *are* messed up :) |
| 07:25:38 | whardier | am not |
| 07:25:45 | whardier | I am a hottie with a finger |
| 07:25:58 | kendrick2 | zat you? |
| 07:25:58 | whardier | hey |
| 07:26:00 | whardier | quit that |
| 07:26:18 | kendrick2 | rom! give me rom! |
| 07:26:26 | kendrick2 | how could i have deleted that email, damnit!? |
| 07:26:34 | whardier | You_dont_need_to_know_what_browser_I_use. |
| 07:26:37 | whardier | hahaha |
| 07:26:57 | whardier | kendrick2: dats a meee aaa |
| 07:27:02 | Fastolfe|CRAPMyCodeDoesntWORK | I love the hell out of your ripped-off XP license :) |
| 07:27:05 | NeoTron | gargh! |
| 07:27:24 | whardier | HAHAHA |
| 07:27:29 | whardier | Fastolfe|CRAPMyCodeDoesntWORK you voyeur you |
| 07:27:49 | Fastolfe|CRAPMyCodeDoesntWORK | well hell, don't you try to do directory accesses when someone gives you a url ? :) |
| 07:27:55 | kendrick2 | super whardio brothers |
| 07:28:00 | whardier | hahaha |
| 07:28:01 | whardier | sup |
| 07:28:40 | Fastolfe|CRAPMyCodeDoesntWORK | Ah! I'm only missing some dihs and dahs now ! |
| 07:28:44 | Fastolfe|CRAPMyCodeDoesntWORK | much better |
| 07:29:24 | whardier | super whardio brothers? |
| 07:29:37 | kendrick2 | http://www.geocrawler.com/redir-sf.php3?list=zaurus-general <- ARGH! |
| 07:29:42 | kendrick2 | you spokea likea maaarrrio |
| 07:30:08 | Fastolfe|CRAPMyCodeDoesntWORK | Geocrawler is down for nightly database maintenance |
| 07:30:08 | Fastolfe|CRAPMyCodeDoesntWORK | Please check back in 10-15 minutes. We're sorry for the inconvenienc |
| 07:30:27 | kendrick2 | aargh |
| 07:30:43 | whardier | anyhoot |
| 07:30:49 | whardier | you have been accessing my box |
| 07:30:50 | whardier | at home |
| 07:30:52 | whardier | behind two firewalls |
| 07:30:58 | whardier | over a wireless connection |
| 07:31:23 | Fastolfe|CRAPMyCodeDoesntWORK | Just to see you finger me, that's a whole fuckload of technology I say |
| 07:31:28 | NeoTron | ok, why on hell doesn't it work to set font to micro anymore. |
| 07:31:30 | whardier | haha |
| 07:31:37 | whardier | Fastolfe|CRAPMyCodeDoesntWORK I needed to get it working :) |
| 07:31:41 | Fastolfe|CRAPMyCodeDoesntWORK | :wq! |
| 07:31:43 | Fastolfe|CRAPMyCodeDoesntWORK | crap |
| 07:31:53 | whardier | haha |
| 07:32:01 | whardier | feels unconditionalized |
| 07:32:04 | NeoTron | or any fucking font for that matter |
| 07:33:16 | NeoTron | oh that's damn interesting. |
| 07:34:11 | kendrick2 | it's been 10-15 mins >:^( |
| 07:35:09 | NeoTron | if I link with one specific file, trying to set fonts segfaults, even when I don't actually use anything from the file in question |
| 07:38:05 | kendrick2 | ok, so i'm talking with an AI |
| 07:38:30 | kendrick2 | i asked her "Do you like Linus Torvalds?" and she said: "Some people like it. My favorite thing is robots." |
| 07:38:58 | kendrick2 | "So you like Al Gore?" "Interesting deduction. No I am a libertarian" |
| 07:39:22 | kendrick2 | "What's a libertarian?" "The Libertarian Party supports [...] and an end to the war on drugs." |
| 07:39:33 | kendrick2 | "Do you like drugs, then?" "Only the legal ones." |
| 07:39:44 | kendrick2 | that's pretty fucking funny for an AI :) |
| 07:42:22 | kendrick2 | hehehe |
| 07:42:22 | whardier | haha |
| 07:42:26 | whardier | anyhoot |
| 07:42:28 | kendrick2 | gotta love long nicknames |
| 07:42:35 | whardier | I need to go play with suger plumb fairys |
| 07:42:49 | NeoTron | oh wait fscking minute. I had code myself that used QDir::readDirEntries and that segfaulted on me for no reason |
| 07:42:49 | kendrick2 | hehe - sucker |
| 07:42:53 | Fastolfe|HolyCrapItWorksNow | oh well |
| 07:44:30 | NeoTron | well, it obviously breaks for some reason at some point for no reason |
| 07:44:37 | NeoTron | uh, or something like that |
| 07:45:29 | Fastolfe|HolyCrapItWorksNow | I can't do any faster than 20 words/min, otherwise the decoder gets confuses :( |
| 07:45:30 | whardier | I like when porn sites go the distance to have a url icon involved with their site |
| 07:45:42 | Fastolfe|HolyCrapItWorksNow | wishes the Z had a standard I/O plug |
| 07:46:26 | whardier | whats standard? |
| 07:46:57 | Fastolfe|HolyCrapItWorksNow | well, the plug at the back of the Z is one of these impossible-to-find plugs only sold to Japanese OEMs |
| 07:47:12 | Fastolfe|HolyCrapItWorksNow | I wish it has, say, a DB9 :) |
| 07:47:52 | Fastolfe|HolyCrapItWorksNow | so, because of that, I'm forced to do shitty hacks on the audio port to plug the morse key |
| 07:54:52 | NeoTron | I'd be damned. |
| 07:54:56 | NeoTron | I figured out why it crashes |
| 07:55:55 | Fastolfe|HolyCrapItWorksNow | Maybe that strcpy((char *)NULL,"Yeehaa"); line wasn't so advisable :) |
| 07:56:19 | NeoTron | it crashes when I have a QStringList as a function argument |
| 07:56:28 | NeoTron | using QValueList<QString> on the other hand, works |
| 07:56:37 | Fastolfe|HolyCrapItWorksNow | Qt coding, yuk |
| 08:00:07 | kendrick2 | FINALLY |
| 08:00:11 | kendrick2 | mailing list archs are up |
| 08:00:52 | Fastolfe|HolyCrapItWorksNow | kendrick2: what are you making ? |
| 08:01:13 | NeoTron | of course I can't reproduce it in a test app |
| 08:02:00 | Fastolfe|HolyCrapItWorksNow | Ah! I finally managed to close the Z's case |
| 08:02:27 | Fastolfe|HolyCrapItWorksNow | I messed up the PCB so bad tho |
| 08:10:35 | kendrick2 | huh who me? |
| 08:10:42 | kendrick2 | making for? |
| 08:11:39 | Fastolfe|HolyCrapItWorksNow | <kendrick2> mailing list archs are up |
| 08:11:42 | Fastolfe|HolyCrapItWorksNow | what is it ? |
| 08:13:36 | kendrick2 | ... uumm... maaaailing list archiiiives? |
| 08:13:39 | kendrick2 | :) |
| 08:13:43 | Fastolfe|HolyCrapItWorksNow | ooohh |
| 08:13:45 | Fastolfe|HolyCrapItWorksNow | duh me |
| 08:13:47 | kendrick2 | the zaurus-*@lists.sf.net archives :) |
| 08:14:06 | Fastolfe|HolyCrapItWorksNow | got confused by the "archs" boomtalk |
| 08:14:11 | Fastolfe|HolyCrapItWorksNow | :) |
| 08:14:12 | kendrick2 | sorry ;) |
| 08:14:16 | Fastolfe|HolyCrapItWorksNow | just kiddin |
| 08:14:37 | Fastolfe|HolyCrapItWorksNow | my brain is going numb |
| 08:14:43 | kendrick2 | i wish people would give DESCRIPTIONS on the sourceforge download pages >:^( |
| 08:14:50 | Fastolfe|HolyCrapItWorksNow | I do :) |
| 08:15:00 | Fastolfe|HolyCrapItWorksNow | nobody reads them |
| 08:15:01 | kendrick2 | most dont :( |
| 08:15:12 | Fastolfe|HolyCrapItWorksNow | so I get emails saying "it doesn't woooork !" |
| 08:18:40 | NeoTron | sent a program that triggers the bug to trolltech. |
| 08:18:48 | NeoTron | with a bug report of course |
| 08:19:53 | Fastolfe|HolyCrapItWorksNow | heh |
| 08:20:09 | Fastolfe|HolyCrapItWorksNow | tell us how long they take to respond, if they do |
| 08:20:13 | kendrick2 | ok - here 'goes |
| 08:20:14 | NeoTron | :) |
| 08:21:02 | kendrick2 | so two of my friends got clie's recently |
| 08:21:09 | kendrick2 | they're lighter and smaller and have higher rez. |
| 08:21:17 | kendrick2 | but other than that, they don't stand up to the zaurus :) |
| 08:21:23 | kendrick2 | (well, except they have 1000s of apps :) ) |
| 08:21:35 | Fastolfe|HolyCrapItWorksNow | the Zaurus' killer feature is the keyboard |
| 08:21:38 | kendrick2 | totally |
| 08:21:44 | Fastolfe|HolyCrapItWorksNow | Otherwise it's a pretty bland PDA |
| 08:22:01 | kendrick2 | well, compared to anything i had! |
| 08:22:14 | kendrick2 | also, the clie has, for example, a video player and an image viewer... |
| 08:22:20 | kendrick2 | but neither do any standard formats (mpg, jpg) |
| 08:22:34 | Fastolfe|HolyCrapItWorksNow | true:) But for anything serious, I say use a PalmPilot or an iPAQ running CE |
| 08:22:47 | kendrick2 | i'd probably never suggest anyone use a WinCE |
| 08:22:55 | kendrick2 | just from what i've seen (not that it's been much :) ) |
| 08:23:10 | kendrick2 | visor is about all i'd ever suggest to anyone |
| 08:23:16 | Fastolfe|HolyCrapItWorksNow | if you want to actually *use* the PDA efficiently, for your work or something, Linux sucks pond water from the bottom |
| 08:23:22 | Fastolfe|HolyCrapItWorksNow | that's what we're here for |
| 08:23:33 | Fastolfe|HolyCrapItWorksNow | to develop the thing and eventually kill CE |
| 08:23:40 | kendrick2 | CE's gonna die anyway, i swear :) |
| 08:23:47 | kendrick2 | the sad thing is, so is palm |
| 08:23:49 | Fastolfe|HolyCrapItWorksNow | not anytime soon |
| 08:23:54 | kendrick2 | wince is akward.. palm is too old/slow |
| 08:23:58 | Fastolfe|HolyCrapItWorksNow | M$ has too much money to throw at it |
| 08:24:06 | kendrick2 | they're too busy with the xbox and xp |
| 08:24:07 | Fastolfe|HolyCrapItWorksNow | and frankly, CE 3.0 is really good |
| 08:24:13 | Fastolfe|HolyCrapItWorksNow | (the SDK that it) |
| 08:24:15 | kendrick2 | maybe if it was poxetpc and not pocketpc :) |
| 08:24:23 | Fastolfe|HolyCrapItWorksNow | he |
| 08:24:28 | kendrick2 | mm.. well. i'm not too informed, so i should shut up ;) |
| 08:24:48 | kendrick2 | reboot time! |
| 08:25:08 | Fastolfe|HolyCrapItWorksNow | M$ is not too busy with anything. If they become too busy, they just buy more engineering cycles by buying yet another company, or just contracting |
| 08:25:14 | Fastolfe|HolyCrapItWorksNow | M$ has unlimited funds |
| 08:25:46 | Fastolfe|HolyCrapItWorksNow | that's the reason CE will stick around for freaking ever before Linux can even come close to killing it |
| 08:29:22 | NeoTron | http://david.hedbor.org/tmp/edict_0.2_arm.ipk :-) |
| 08:29:27 | kendrick2 | restores old data |
| 08:29:32 | kendrick2 | what's that? |
| 08:29:41 | NeoTron | dictionary client |
| 08:29:44 | kendrick2 | for? |
| 08:29:48 | kendrick2 | intorweb? |
| 08:29:50 | NeoTron | looking up words |
| 08:29:57 | kendrick2 | :^P |
| 08:29:59 | NeoTron | www.dict.org, using protocol in RFC 2229 |
| 08:30:01 | Fastolfe|HolyCrapItWorksNow | it's an 3v1l l337 virus for the Zaurus ! |
| 08:30:09 | kendrick2 | sounds cool, neo |
| 08:30:17 | kendrick2 | wgets it |
| 08:30:52 | NeoTron | if it works I might put it on zaurus zone |
| 08:30:56 | kendrick2 | wahoo! |
| 08:30:58 | kendrick2 | Feb 9 00:34:28 amiga /etc/hotplug/net.agent: invoke ifup eth1 |
| 08:31:02 | kendrick2 | fuck a duck! |
| 08:31:09 | Fastolfe|HolyCrapItWorksNow | lol |
| 08:31:09 | NeoTron | can only test it on x86. :P |
| 08:31:48 | NeoTron | it still lacks lotsa features but. :) |
| 08:31:49 | kendrick2 | you? |
| 08:33:35 | kendrick2 | what ifconfig do i need to run with 1.11 rom??? |
| 08:33:51 | NeoTron | has no clue. :P |
| 08:34:00 | kendrick2 | heh |
| 08:34:06 | kendrick2 | get this man a zaurus, stat! |
| 08:34:56 | NeoTron | yes please. :-P |
| 08:35:07 | scanline | could use a Zaurus too |
| 08:35:34 | Fastolfe|HolyCrapItWorksNow | I've already decided to donate my Z if I win the Trolltech contest |
| 08:35:51 | NeoTron | Fastolfe|HolyCrapItWorksNow: what was your entry? vncserver? |
| 08:35:53 | scanline | wants a Zaurus to port PicoGUI to |
| 08:35:54 | Fastolfe|HolyCrapItWorksNow | yeah |
| 08:36:06 | NeoTron | it's quite a hack. :) |
| 08:36:10 | Fastolfe|HolyCrapItWorksNow | sure is :) |
| 08:36:24 | Fastolfe|HolyCrapItWorksNow | I think it's got a fighting chance |
| 08:36:39 | NeoTron | depends on others in the category I suppose |
| 08:36:57 | NeoTron | the zaurus + cdma CF -> cellphone hack is rather hardcore |
| 08:37:06 | kendrick2 | woah? what's this? |
| 08:37:09 | kendrick2 | cellphoen??? |
| 08:37:10 | Fastolfe|HolyCrapItWorksNow | but the trick is : (1) will they dismiss it because it contains exactly zero references to qt/e / qtopia, and (2) do Lineo employees qualify :) |
| 08:37:19 | NeoTron | kendrick2: yah. |
| 08:37:19 | kendrick2 | fast - hehe |
| 08:37:26 | kendrick2 | more more! tell me more! |
| 08:37:42 | NeoTron | 020205 11:53:47 Sugar SEEN TALK jperlow-sharp jperlow-sharp "someone made a prog |
| 08:37:42 | NeoTron | ram that turns the z into a cellphone" #zaurus |
| 08:37:51 | Fastolfe|HolyCrapItWorksNow | lol |
| 08:37:54 | Fastolfe|HolyCrapItWorksNow | that's sick |
| 08:37:56 | NeoTron | 020205 11:53:51 Sugar SEEN TALK jperlow-sharp jperlow-sharp "with a cf cell card |
| 08:37:56 | NeoTron | " #zaurus |
| 08:38:02 | NeoTron | that's all I got |
| 08:38:15 | NeoTron | Sugar, thanks. :) |
| 08:38:17 | Sugar | NeoTron: You're welcome! |
| 08:38:18 | kendrick2 | fuuuck |
| 08:38:18 | NeoTron | nice to have an archiver |
| 08:38:19 | | jperlow-sharp was last seen on #zaurus 13 hours, 49 minutes and 30 seconds ago, saying: hella: its up [Fri Feb 8 18:48:49 2002] |
| 08:38:19 | Fastolfe|HolyCrapItWorksNow | ibot seen jperlow-sharp |
| 08:38:27 | | JasonNJ was last seen on #zaurus 5 hours, 12 minutes and 29 seconds ago, saying: let me try it the meta way first [Sat Feb 9 03:25:58 2002] |
| 08:38:27 | Fastolfe|HolyCrapItWorksNow | ibot seen JasonNJ |
| 08:38:30 | Fastolfe|HolyCrapItWorksNow | nope |
| 08:39:14 | Fastolfe|HolyCrapItWorksNow | considers inventing an extension to the morse code tables for the full ASCII table :) |
| 08:39:18 | NeoTron | Fastolfe|HolyCrapItWorksNow: which category did you enter it in? |
| 08:39:27 | Fastolfe|HolyCrapItWorksNow | NeoTron: I can't remember |
| 08:39:47 | NeoTron | I'l guessing it's not communication/messaging tho |
| 08:39:51 | Fastolfe|HolyCrapItWorksNow | NeoTron: I think, system utilities or something like that |
| 08:39:55 | NeoTron | which I guess a cellphone counts as. :P |
| 08:40:10 | NeoTron | what do you think of mandrakes app? |
| 08:40:40 | kendrick2 | Feb 9 00:44:08 amiga kernel: CDCEther.c: eth1: set multicast filters |
| 08:40:40 | kendrick2 | Feb 9 00:44:08 amiga kernel: CDCEther.c: eth1: set too many MC filters, using allmulti |
| 08:40:50 | whardier | quit bridging |
| 08:40:59 | Fastolfe | gee |
| 08:41:11 | kendrick2 | is confused |
| 08:41:28 | whardier | does eth1 have an ip? |
| 08:41:28 | NeoTron | All I hope for is to win a Zaurus. Anything else would be unlikely bonus. :P |
| 08:41:50 | kendrick2 | whard - yes, i gave it 192.168.129.200 |
| 08:41:53 | Fastolfe | I hope to win a box full of Zaurii |
| 08:41:54 | Fastolfe | :) |
| 08:42:01 | whardier | me too |
| 08:42:10 | whardier | so how did so many people get to be in this channel |
| 08:42:14 | whardier | some sort of Zaurus raffle? |
| 08:42:24 | Fastolfe | heh |
| 08:42:30 | Fastolfe | and Zaurus wannabes too |
| 08:42:57 | Fastolfe | plus they want to witness you going bonkers every now and then |
| 08:43:17 | whardier | haha |
| 08:43:19 | whardier | boink |
| 08:43:46 | NeoTron | whardier - the resident asylum candidate |
| 08:43:50 | Fastolfe | lol |
| 08:44:13 | NeoTron | man, tired. |
| 08:44:14 | whardier | heyyyy |
| 08:44:46 | NeoTron | should sleep after my successful battle with the evil, rather obscure bug (that previously made me use dirent-code instead of QDir in Eligo)... |
| 08:45:23 | kendrick2 | compiles a few more usb modules, just in case... |
| 08:45:24 | kendrick2 | sighs |
| 08:46:14 | NeoTron | well, good night people |
| 08:46:19 | Fastolfe | nightey |
| 08:46:42 | NeoTron | is away: ZZzzZzZzz... |
| 08:48:45 | kendrick2 | D'OH! |
| 08:48:51 | kendrick2 | hehe. i did "ifdown eth0" just now ;) |
| 08:48:54 | Fastolfe | doh what ? |
| 08:48:57 | Fastolfe | lol |
| 08:48:58 | Fastolfe | ehe |
| 08:49:08 | kendrick2 | so i still cant ping my fscking zaurus using the fscking cradle. fsck! |
| 08:49:42 | kendrick2 | i need better instructions |
| 08:50:32 | kendrick2 | eth1 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 40:00:02:00:00:01 |
| 08:50:32 | kendrick2 | inet addr:192.168.129.200 Bcast:192.168.129.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 |
| 08:50:38 | kendrick2 | does that not look right, or what |
| 08:51:08 | Fastolfe | yeah, but it won't ping |
| 08:51:12 | Fastolfe | I'm working on ti |
| 08:51:13 | Fastolfe | it |
| 08:51:22 | whardier | kendrick2 you need to just chill |
| 08:51:30 | whardier | everybody but you has been able to do this |
| 08:51:32 | whardier | so maybe.. |
| 08:51:34 | kendrick2 | i know! |
| 08:51:42 | whardier | you should instruct somebody else to do it for you |
| 08:51:48 | kendrick2 | hehehe |
| 08:52:01 | kendrick2 | alright... start me from the beginning... |
| 08:52:03 | whardier | gimme root on your box |
| 08:52:05 | kendrick2 | hah! |
| 08:52:13 | Fastolfe | suggests bashing the Zaurus with a very large blunt object, such as a broom with nails embedded in the handle |
| 08:52:25 | whardier | nails are not blunt |
| 08:52:28 | kendrick2 | hehe.. hey! another 'embedded' device! |
| 08:52:31 | whardier | spatulas are |
| 08:52:32 | Fastolfe | lol |
| 08:52:38 | Fastolfe | yeah |
| 08:52:43 | kendrick2 | seriously.. can someone walk me thru this? |
| 08:52:43 | Fastolfe | ok thanks whardier |
| 08:54:55 | kendrick2 | do i need a usb-eth entry in the network system app? |
| 08:55:10 | whardier | heh |
| 08:55:20 | whardier | so you have the "patched" cdcether working right? |
| 08:55:31 | kendrick2 | what do you mean by 'working'? |
| 08:55:35 | whardier | it loads>? |
| 08:55:38 | kendrick2 | yes |
| 08:55:51 | kendrick2 | 2.4.16 kernel with the cdcether of C-E R's. |
| 08:56:13 | kendrick2 | CDCEther 8064 0 |
| 08:56:17 | kendrick2 | usbcore 48256 1 [catc kaweth pegasus CDCEther acm usb-storage |
| 08:56:20 | kendrick2 | usb-uhci] |
| 08:56:34 | kendrick2 | (just tried adding the catc, kaweth and pegasus crap, as per some email from the list from a week or so ago) |
| 08:57:05 | kendrick2 | (please realize this is the first time i've tried this in a long while. i gave up until mark posted the 'patched' rom...) |
| 08:57:34 | kendrick2 | (of course, so far as what i heard here - i think from jasonnj - the newer roms (>1.02) didn't talk to linux over the cradle at all.. so now i'm REALLY confused |
| 08:58:51 | whardier | hmm |
| 08:59:08 | whardier | soes dmesg find a sharp zaurus when you hit the sync button? |
| 08:59:16 | whardier | err /var/log/messages |
| 08:59:34 | kendrick2 | how about when i stick the z in when it's turned on? good enuf? :) |
| 08:59:42 | kendrick2 | Feb 9 01:03:15 amiga kernel: hub.c: USB new device connect on bus1/1, assigned |
| 08:59:42 | kendrick2 | device number 9 |
| 08:59:42 | kendrick2 | Feb 9 01:03:15 amiga kernel: usb-uhci.c: interrupt, status 2, frame# 1447 |
| 08:59:42 | kendrick2 | Feb 9 01:03:16 amiga kernel: hub.c: USB new device connect on bus1/1, assigned |
| 08:59:42 | kendrick2 | device number 10 |
| 08:59:56 | whardier | should say |
| 09:00:01 | whardier | CDCether: found sharp zaurus |
| 09:00:05 | whardier | something like that |
| 09:00:11 | kendrick2 | ok, pressed 'sync': |
| 09:00:26 | Feb | Feb 9 01:03:15 amiga kernel: hub.c: USB new device connect on bus1/1, assigned device number 9 |
| 09:00:26 | Feb | Feb 9 01:03:15 amiga kernel: usb-uhci.c: interrupt, status 2, frame# 1447 |
| 09:00:26 | Feb | Feb 9 01:03:16 amiga kernel: hub.c: USB new device connect on bus1/1, assigned device number 10 |
| 09:00:26 | Feb | Feb 9 01:03:43 amiga kernel: hub.c: USB new device connect on bus1/1, assigned device number 11 |
| 09:00:27 | Feb | Feb 9 01:03:43 amiga kernel: CDCEther.c: detected BULK OUT packets of size 64 |
| 09:00:29 | Feb | Feb 9 01:03:43 amiga kernel: CDCEther.c: eth1: Sharp SL Series 40:00:02:00:00:01 |
| 09:00:31 | Feb | Feb 9 01:03:43 amiga kernel: usb.c: USB device 11 (vend/prod 0x4dd/0x8004) is not claimed by any active driver. |
| 09:00:34 | Feb | Feb 9 01:03:43 amiga /etc/hotplug/net.agent: invoke ifup eth1 |
| 09:00:36 | Feb | Feb 9 01:03:43 amiga /etc/hotplug/usb.agent: Modprobe and setup acm CDCEther for USB product 4dd/8004/0 |
| 09:00:38 | Feb | fuck - someone was using "|" nick. sorry :) |
| 09:00:52 | whardier | haha |
| 09:00:53 | Feb | now 'eth1' exists in 'ifconfig -a' |
| 09:01:20 | Feb | last |
| 09:01:21 | Feb | oops |
| 09:01:40 | whardier | heh |
| 09:01:41 | whardier | so |
| 09:01:50 | Feb | yeeeeees? :) |
| 09:01:51 | whardier | what does ifconfig -a look like on the zaurus? |
| 09:02:02 | Feb | ah! never thought of that |
| 09:02:31 | Feb | shows a 'usbd0' :) |
| 09:04:37 | Feb | so should i do an 'ifconfig eth1 192.168.SOME.THING ... eth1' on my desktop? |
| 09:04:51 | Feb | oh fuck |
| 09:05:04 | kendrick2 | i had no idea :) damned fool irc client |
| 09:05:21 | kendrick2 | ( that's a fuckin' riot! :) ) |
| 09:06:51 | kendrick2 | so should i do an 'ifconfig eth1 192.168.SOME.THING ... eth1'? |
| 09:09:09 | whardier | hi |
| 09:09:21 | whardier | i runno make it work] |
| 09:09:25 | kendrick2 | :) |
| 09:09:28 | kendrick2 | huh!? |
| 09:09:32 | whardier | must sleeeeep |
| 09:09:38 | kendrick2 | heh |
| 09:09:45 | kendrick2 | ok - gnite |
| 09:09:49 | whardier | night |
| 09:32:09 | kendrick2 | FINALLY! |
| 09:32:14 | kendrick2 | i got it working! :) |
| 09:32:22 | kendrick2 | at least, for now :) who knows if it'll work again some other time ;) |
| 09:32:29 | kendrick2 | zaurus = 192.168.2.201 ... desktop = 192.168.2.200 |
| 09:32:30 | kendrick2 | whew!!! |
| 14:54:02 | BigBoss | the new phone book is here |
| 14:54:17 | BigBoss | check it out http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT7091060803.html |
| 15:40:32 | ][N-Flux | yawn |
| 15:42:19 | file | *grumble* |
| 15:50:09 | BigBoss | well you can read about http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT7091060803.html if you are bored :) |
| 15:54:28 | ][N-Flux | heheehe |
| 15:54:38 | ][N-Flux | gonna order the majhong actually |
| 15:55:34 | BigBoss | it is $5 well spent :) |
| 16:03:13 | ][N-Flux | proceswsing |
| 16:03:19 | ][N-Flux | processing even.... |
| 16:04:20 | ][N-Flux | wh00p |
| 16:07:44 | ][N-Flux | installing and... |
| 16:08:39 | ][N-Flux | nice |
| 16:10:34 | BigBoss | thank yo for your order :) |
| 16:10:53 | BigBoss | now if all 1,000,000 million projected Z customers buy just 1 app from us, we are set :) |
| 16:11:39 | ][N-Flux | :) |
| 16:12:01 | ][N-Flux | price is right |
| 16:13:34 | BigBoss | now since linuxdevices didn't review the jabber client, maybe I can get one of our intrepid customers to review it |
| 16:14:53 | ][N-Flux | I need to get a nic before I go getting online apps :) |
| 16:15:38 | BigBoss | i have one of those wireless CF cards and the hub. It is very cool to wander around the home or office with the Z and the jabber client active |
| 16:15:49 | BigBoss | I know when someone is trying to talk to me without having to check back at my system |
| 16:16:07 | BigBoss | only problem is I touch type 80 words a minute on a regular keyboard and the thumb typing is frustrating for me |
| 16:16:15 | ][N-Flux | what is a good card to get |
| 16:16:37 | roge99 | Hellaenergy: mornin |
| 16:16:47 | Hellaenergy | morning to you bro :) |
| 16:16:59 | Hellaenergy | whacha workin on |
| 16:17:06 | roge99 | ][N-Flux: iv got a linksys and it works good |
| 16:17:17 | roge99 | Hellaenergy: cleanin up my mails |
| 16:17:37 | Hellaenergy | I though you were going to say house |
| 16:17:53 | roge99 | Hellaenergy: 600+ mails in my in box |
| 16:18:05 | Hellaenergy | 601 :) |
| 16:18:08 | Hellaenergy | jk |
| 16:18:34 | Hellaenergy | Any working on signature verification for the z's package manager? |
| 16:18:52 | roge99 | Hellaenergy: well im down to 158 |
| 16:19:52 | Hellaenergy | rogg99: do you use an IDE for your perl scripting? |
| 16:20:07 | roge99 | naa... vim |
| 16:20:15 | Hellaenergy | What are peoples favorite C/C++ IDE's? |
| 16:20:26 | Hellaenergy | vim wins : ) |
| 16:20:34 | file | in Windows I use Dev-C++ |
| 16:21:03 | Hellaenergy | file: Who makes that |
| 16:21:10 | file | Bloodshed |
| 16:21:14 | file | http://www.bloodshed.net/ |
| 16:21:19 | ][N-Flux | is gonna price cf nic's now |
| 16:21:25 | Trisk[awaay] | vim, kdevelop |
| 16:21:47 | file | http://www.bloodshed.net/devcpp.html |
| 16:21:48 | BigBoss | KDE Studio Gold |
| 16:22:17 | BigBoss | i use linksys for wireless CF, but the form factor covers the plugs on top. there are others that don't do that |
| 16:22:58 | roge99 | BigBoss: it dosent cover the audio port and with sligt mod the stylus works as well |
| 16:23:29 | roge99 | BigBoss: take a round file to the side where the stylus is and it works perfect |
| 16:23:34 | Hellaenergy | KDE Studio Gold free? |
| 16:23:42 | file | can't be round |
| 16:23:50 | roge99 | lol |
| 16:24:27 | roge99 | how about well rounded |
| 16:31:30 | BigBoss | hellaenergy: no it is between $25 and $70 depending on what versio you get |
| 16:31:56 | BigBoss | so you can physically wear down the CF card without damaging it? |
| 16:32:14 | roge99 | yea you only need to take off a little |
| 16:32:41 | roge99 | if you take off just enough it also helps keep the stylus from falling out |
| 16:34:09 | roge99 | i removed 1 or 2 mm |
| 16:34:37 | BigBoss | i'll check it out - thanks |
| 16:34:58 | roge99 | no prob |
| 16:38:56 | gecko_x2 | says hi to the channel |
| 16:39:04 | Hellaenergy | BigBoss: What don't you like about it? |
| 16:39:11 | gecko_x2 | i ordered my sl-5500 today.. |
| 16:39:21 | Hellaenergy | From where? |
| 16:39:32 | roge99 | there taken orders for the 5500 ? |
| 16:39:41 | Hellaenergy | Oh how much? |
| 16:39:50 | gecko_x2 | Hellaenergy dunno really my bro ordered from some importer he knows |
| 16:40:03 | gecko_x2 | i'll get it next month |
| 16:40:14 | Hellaenergy | They taking trade ins :) |
| 16:40:34 | Hellaenergy | :p |
| 16:40:41 | gecko_x2 | u all running sl-5000's? |
| 16:40:54 | Hellaenergy | of course thats what all the cool people have |
| 16:41:01 | gecko_x2 | ofcourse :) |
| 16:41:27 | gecko_x2 | well i'm wondering about a few things after an initial lookthrough on web resources.. |
| 16:42:12 | gecko_x2 | namely where could i find more info on openzaurus.. discussion boards etc.. zauruszone and sourceforge have some but not much |
| 16:42:28 | Hellaenergy | Thats it |
| 16:42:30 | gecko_x2 | and will the newly released X11 pack run on openzaurus |
| 16:42:54 | gecko_x2 | and what are they main differences between openzaurus and the embedded lineo |
| 16:43:19 | gecko_x2 | those are my humble questions :) |
| 16:43:33 | Hellaenergy | Anyone know where I can order the 5500? |
| 16:43:59 | gecko_x2 | Hellaenergy 'm in finland so i doubt my contact could help you |
| 16:44:44 | Hellaenergy | thats ok thanks though :) |
| 16:44:58 | Hellaenergy | So do you sync your phone with the z yet :) |
| 16:45:17 | gecko_x2 | ? |
| 16:45:53 | Hellaenergy | I hear you guys in Finland (assuming your from finland) love digital phones. |
| 16:45:58 | gecko_x2 | oh ya.. |
| 16:46:17 | gecko_x2 | i got a phone with integrated gps receiver :) |
| 16:46:29 | gecko_x2 | and praphical maps |
| 16:46:35 | gecko_x2 | graphical |
| 16:46:56 | gecko_x2 | it has an arrow that shows me the way home from the pub ;) |
| 16:47:37 | Hellaenergy | First you got to get off your back :) |
| 16:47:55 | gecko_x2 | ya that's the hard part ;) |
| 16:48:22 | gecko_x2 | so how about the X11.. does it need lineo or does it work with openzaurus? |
| 16:49:10 | gecko_x2 | hmm |
| 16:49:22 | gecko_x2 | anyone running openaurus here? |
| 16:49:32 | gecko_x2 | hehe no answer.. :P |
| 16:49:59 | BigBoss | hellaenergy: what don't I like about what? |
| 16:50:15 | Hellaenergy | Kde gold if anything? |
| 16:50:42 | BigBoss | well to be honest, it's one of my products, so there really isn't anything I don't like about it :) |
| 16:51:02 | BigBoss | it's been extremely popular, and you can try out a demo if you like. We are going to have a minor bug fix release in a few days though |
| 16:51:08 | Hellaenergy | Is there a trial version I could check out? |
| 16:51:19 | BigBoss | ftp.rygannon.com/pub - and look for the directory |
| 16:51:34 | gecko_x2 | Kde gold? |
| 16:51:34 | Hellaenergy | tanks |
| 16:52:11 | ljp | I was pleasantly surprised to find that KDEstudio Gold had it's own calculator! |
| 16:52:40 | ljp | I just hope that tmake support will be added soon |
| 16:52:50 | Hellaenergy | gecko_x2: OZ is sweet :) this new ROM just came out and everyone wants to play with it right now |
| 16:53:11 | Hellaenergy | I personaly like the opie_calculator alot more :) |
| 16:53:38 | Hellaenergy | The graphics in OZ are much better :) |
| 16:53:39 | gecko_x2 | Hellaenergy cool.. u mean beta 2.6? |
| 16:53:43 | Hellaenergy | ya |
| 16:54:06 | gecko_x2 | so i guess the X11 will run on OZ? |
| 16:54:19 | Hellaenergy | it already does I believe. |
| 16:54:22 | gecko_x2 | ok |
| 16:54:24 | gecko_x2 | thx |
| 16:54:54 | gecko_x2 | where to find more nfo tough.. |
| 16:55:16 | gecko_x2 | i'd like to know included apps.. footprint and bluetooth support... |
| 16:55:27 | gecko_x2 | but then again it's beta stuff |
| 16:55:42 | Hellaenergy | http://zaurus.sourceforge.net/ |
| 16:56:47 | gecko_x2 | Hellaenergy hmm been there but i'll check out the links again.. mebbe i missed sumthing |
| 16:57:01 | Hellaenergy | http://www.zauruszone.com/wiki/index.php?OpenZaurus |
| 16:57:18 | Hellaenergy | http://sourceforge.net/projects/openzaurus/ |
| 16:57:28 | gecko_x2 | THX :) |
| 16:58:00 | Hellaenergy | What is the opie webpage yall? |
| 16:58:06 | gecko_x2 | is there working bluetooth support in lineo or/and OZ? |
| 16:58:29 | Hellaenergy | command line???? |
| 17:03:22 | Hellaenergy | What is the opie website anyone? |
| 17:07:45 | gecko_x2 | what is opie? |
| 17:07:53 | Hellaenergy | http://opie.handhelds.org |
| 17:07:59 | Hellaenergy | just what you are looking for |
| 17:10:19 | gecko_x2 | hmm another distro :) |
| 17:10:27 | gecko_x2 | that makes 3 :) |
| 17:11:12 | gecko_x2 | well a addon pack moreof.. |
| 17:11:32 | Hellaenergy | yup the more the merrier |
| 17:11:46 | gecko_x2 | i found a nice link page |
| 17:11:48 | gecko_x2 | http://members.home.net/sl5000/links.html |
| 17:28:26 | gecko_x2 | i trust the consumer version 5500 will be rom flashable? |
| 17:28:27 | roge99_away | is away: out-n-about |
| 17:28:59 | quack | yep |
| 17:29:23 | quack | you can even put openzaurus on it |
| 17:29:40 | gecko_x2 | hehe i *will*.. first thing :P |
| 17:30:30 | gecko_x2 | i'm just contemplating various issues.. like how is the zoom in the konqueror port compared to opera? |
| 17:31:07 | quack | well, I havent tried konq yet, but I'm not sure it has zoom yet |
| 17:31:58 | gecko_x2 | what rom do u run? |
| 17:32:00 | gecko_x2 | oz? |
| 17:33:10 | quack | righty now I am running 1.11 |
| 17:33:44 | gecko_x2 | ic.. any sign of bluetooth support? |
| 17:35:52 | quack | I think someone wrote a commandline thingy fo rit.. not sure if it works or whatever |
| 17:37:00 | gecko_x2 | ya.. http://sourceforge.net/project/shownotes.php?release_id=71050 |
| 17:40:49 | Hellaenergy | Anyone here run the qt-2.3.2 /example/launcher/start_example? |
| 17:41:15 | ][N-Flux | where in hell can I order the linksys wirelss cf card |
| 17:47:14 | ][N-Flux | http://www.circuitdeal.com/409387-im063442-td552608.html <----is this card supported? |
| 17:49:50 | ljp_work | I think it is |
| 17:50:25 | ][N-Flux | cheap enough |
| 17:52:33 | ljp_work | yep. I think I heard someone got it running.. |
| 17:52:47 | ][N-Flux | kewl |
| 17:53:18 | ljp_work | jason might know more about it, though |
| 17:53:52 | gecko_x2 | hmm i thought there's no io support in zaurus cf? |
| 17:56:04 | gecko_x2 | guess i was wrong.. |
| 17:56:37 | ljp_work | hehehe.. |
| 17:59:57 | ibweb | Hello all. I need some help. |
| 18:02:13 | ibweb | I have installed the qtopia/emb and I'm reading the docs. I'm currently reading install-qws.html. I'm a little confused about the framebuffering because I have never use that before. I'm running 7.2 Redhat and I check the documentation of the fb directory but to be honest I don't get it. How do I know if the FrameBuffer is enable or how do I enable this. Please |
| 18:07:11 | gecko_x2 | shit i meant sd i/o nm.. |
| 18:18:35 | whardier | *yawn* |
| 18:27:01 | fiferboy | Dows anyone know how to get rid of the "OK" button in the title bar of a Qtopia app? |
| 18:27:23 | tux_mike | fiferboy: make it a QMainWindow |
| 18:27:57 | fiferboy | That's in the main.cpp file, correct? |
| 18:28:21 | tux_mike | no, it's inhereted to your main widget |
| 18:28:36 | fiferboy | Alright, I'll try that. Thanks. |
| 18:32:49 | fiferboy | When I change GameImpl(QWidget*...) to GameImpl(QMainWidget*...) I get compile errors. Am I doing something wrong? |
| 18:32:50 | ][N-Flux | anoyne know a good outlet for cheap SD cards? |
| 18:33:30 | tux_mike | fiferboy: GameImpl is your new widget class you are defining? |
| 18:34:39 | fiferboy | Yes, it is refering to the form created in the .ui file. |
| 18:34:52 | file | growls |
| 18:34:56 | whardier | hi |
| 18:35:41 | tux_mike | in your constructor it should read GameImpl::GameImpl( ...stuff... ) : QMainWindow( parent, name, fl ) { |
| 18:39:22 | whardier | is a firewall god |
| 18:39:38 | tux_mike | sets whardier on fire |
| 18:40:30 | whardier | walls it |
| 18:42:50 | fiferboy | Here's what I have: class GameImpl : public frmMancala |
| 18:42:50 | fiferboy | { |
| 18:42:50 | fiferboy | Q_OBJECT |
| 18:42:50 | fiferboy | public: |
| 18:42:51 | fiferboy | GameImpl( QWidget* parent = 0, const char* name = 0, bool modal = FALSE, WFlags f = 0 ): |
| 18:42:51 | fiferboy | frmMancala( parent, name, modal, f ) {} |
| 18:43:04 | fiferboy | Where does the change go? Is this the wrong file? |
| 18:43:28 | tux_mike | the change goes into the cxx file |
| 18:43:53 | fiferboy | Ah.. That file has all my functions in it, is that just another function? |
| 18:46:25 | ][N-Flux | http://www.cititronics.com/ if anyone needs cards, thier prices seem very good |
| 18:46:47 | fiferboy | The compiler keeps saying " class `GameImpl' does not have any field named `QMainWindow' " |
| 18:49:45 | tux_mike | you want to inherit QMainWindow, therefore making GameImpl a QMainWindow |
| 18:51:35 | Corran | Hi all - I've got a question for all: is there any app for the Zaurus that can make my tech-calculator obsolete? (Ie, I don't want to carry both with me all the time.) |
| 18:52:03 | ][N-Flux | think someone is emulating the one of the hp calcs |
| 18:52:48 | Corran | Really? That would be excellent. I looked at the 'zone but didn't find any apps for it. |
| 18:54:18 | Corran | I'll go look for it, thanks. |
| 18:54:22 | ][N-Flux | saw someone talking about it the other day, the hp47 or something sticks in my head, but don't quote me on it |
| 18:54:44 | ][N-Flux | sd/mmc are the same thing right, or at least the same card type |
| 18:55:49 | kendrick2 | edict has no icon??? |
| 18:57:44 | fiferboy | If I have the line a.showMainWidget( &myGame ); in my main, that doesn't set inheritence? |
| 18:58:02 | kendrick2 | crap - who wrote edict again? :) |
| 18:58:12 | kendrick2 | gets all you irc users mixed up <sigh> |
| 18:58:12 | tux_mike | noooo. a.showMainWidget just shows myGame |
| 18:58:32 | tux_mike | edict? |
| 18:59:07 | kendrick2 | looks up words over the net |
| 18:59:11 | NeoTron | kendrick2: I did |
| 18:59:17 | kendrick2 | neo - ah :) sorry |
| 18:59:27 | kendrick2 | ok, cool so far, but it has no icon in the launcher... |
| 18:59:31 | kendrick2 | (at least, on my z) |
| 18:59:42 | NeoTron | kendrick2: woops. Correct. :P |
| 18:59:49 | NeoTron | I forgot about that little detail |
| 18:59:52 | kendrick2 | also, there must be a way to make that multi-selector work better for pdas :) |
| 19:00:04 | kendrick2 | right now, i need to hold Sh+Fn and tap to add a single dictionary at a time... |
| 19:00:08 | tux_mike | kendrick2: listbox? |
| 19:00:10 | kendrick2 | (Sh+Fn =='ing Control) |
| 19:00:19 | kendrick2 | tux_ - err. yeah i guess :) |
| 19:00:22 | NeoTron | kendrick2: it's the "Extended" selection mode. using "Multi" mode might work better |
| 19:00:40 | kendrick2 | just got to make single tap toggle an item, i suppose |
| 19:00:46 | tux_mike | multi mode would work the way you want it to. they shouldn't even have extended in QT/e :) |
| 19:00:48 | kendrick2 | i'm sure there's a Qtopia'ism for that |
| 19:00:57 | NeoTron | tux_mike: will change that |
| 19:01:12 | kendrick2 | and finally.. about how long should it take to look up words? i never got any definitions |
| 19:01:16 | tux_mike | or extended should == multi |
| 19:01:53 | NeoTron | kendrick2: generally very fast.. |
| 19:02:14 | kendrick2 | hmm... never came up with definition of 'dictionary' (asked all dicts) or 'hello' (asked about 3 dicts) |
| 19:02:25 | NeoTron | try starting it from the console and look at stdout |
| 19:02:31 | kendrick2 | ok hang on |
| 19:03:23 | kendrick2 | installs on SD, btw... :) yay! |
| 19:03:42 | kendrick2 | what i'd really like is a mini version of wordnet stored on SD or CF, so i can lookup offline ;) |
| 19:03:44 | NeoTron | I'm leaving for some time now but will be back later today |
| 19:03:47 | kendrick2 | i looked into that briefly |
| 19:03:55 | kendrick2 | has funeral to go to .. have to leave in a few :( |
| 19:04:01 | NeoTron | might make a little server for it too. |
| 19:04:03 | kendrick2 | thot i'd let you know what i discovered tho :) |
| 19:04:08 | NeoTron | thanks |
| 19:04:09 | kendrick2 | neo - nifty! that'd be perfect :) |
| 19:04:15 | ][N-Flux | kendrick2: sorry to hear it, see you when you get back |
| 19:04:21 | ][N-Flux | hey NeoTron |
| 19:04:35 | kendrick2 | heh - oops - need eth |
| 19:04:56 | kendrick2 | 'doh - igues sinee dtoquit& re start |
| 19:05:04 | NeoTron | is away: gone |
| 19:05:06 | kendrick2 | crap - eth leaning on my spacebar ;) |
| 19:05:11 | NeoTron | l8er |
| 19:05:31 | kendrick2 | cya |
| 19:06:11 | ][N-Flux | will bbiab as well, gf needs the machine |
| 19:06:36 | fiferboy | tux_mike: Thanks for all your help. |
| 19:06:41 | nelazul | is anyone using an SD card with openzaurus? |
| 19:06:47 | tux_mike | fiferboy: you get it? |
| 19:06:59 | fiferboy | Not yet. I'll work at it for a while. |
| 19:07:23 | tux_mike | send me your code... ill make the changes for you |
| 19:07:29 | tux_mike | mike@tuxnami.org |
| 19:07:49 | kendrick2 | crap - gtta run |
| 19:07:50 | kendrick2 | bye! |
| 19:08:16 | fiferboy | You want all the files, or just the cpp? |
| 19:08:29 | tux_mike | send me all the source and headers |
| 19:09:33 | fiferboy | On it's way. |
| 19:09:41 | tux_mike | okey |
| 19:10:44 | v23 | nelazul: I have an SD card |
| 19:10:58 | nelazul | hmm mine isnt working under openzaurus |
| 19:11:08 | nelazul | its just not detected, even if i restart |
| 19:11:32 | v23 | does it work onder the official image? |
| 19:11:36 | nelazul | yes |
| 19:12:02 | v23 | I'm also having problems with it. Did you try to mount it manually? |
| 19:12:17 | nelazul | yes, it gives weird errors |
| 19:12:23 | nelazul | i reformatted it as ext2 |
| 19:12:33 | tux_mike | fiferboy: how many windows is your game? |
| 19:13:25 | v23 | nelazul: I did the same :-) Try to mount it more than one times. Sometimes I have to give it the mount command 3-4 times, then it suddenly mounts... |
| 19:13:26 | fiferboy | One window with three tabs |
| 19:13:34 | tux_mike | nelazul: kergoth most likely has the old SD driver that can't read ext2 cards |
| 19:13:52 | v23 | nelazul: also, sometimes it mounts as mmcda1, but sometimes as sda1... |
| 19:13:58 | nelazul | well its actually an MMC if that matters |
| 19:14:05 | nelazul | cheaper :) |
| 19:14:55 | v23 | tux_mike: is vfat the original filesystem of the sd cards? I forgot to check prior to reformatting :-) |
| 19:16:50 | tux_mike | v: yes... you also have to make sure the partiton type is set correctly |
| 19:17:04 | fiferboy | tux_mike: Thanks. I'll try compiling now. |
| 19:17:18 | tux_mike | yah, i made the game board itself the QMainWindow |
| 19:17:33 | tux_mike | this prolly won't compile off the bat, youll have to find all the .h files for qpe |
| 19:17:35 | tux_mike | and qt |
| 19:17:46 | nelazul | i actually automatically reformatted mine with those sd /home scripts under the official rom |
| 19:18:30 | v23 | tux_mike: what is the correct partition type? Is fdisk available to the Z? |
| 19:19:03 | tux_mike | i think 0x5h... i'm not sure though |
| 19:20:07 | nelazul | ok i'm really a freebsd guy- how do you set the FS type to ext2 in mount? |
| 19:21:17 | v23 | nelazul: -t ext2 |
| 19:21:18 | tux_mike | mount -text2 |
| 19:21:42 | nelazul | heh that's what i thought |
| 19:21:49 | nelazul | at least it gives me a different error... |
| 19:22:09 | tux_mike | what's the error |
| 19:22:55 | nelazul | "no such device or address" instead of "invalid argument" |
| 19:23:05 | v23 | try it 3 times. Ignore the errors. I'm not joking: it used to work after 3 tries... |
| 19:23:55 | tux_mike | nelazul: run a mkdosfs on the card. |
| 19:24:56 | nelazul | ugn it says no such device or address for that command too |
| 19:24:58 | nelazul | wonderful |
| 19:25:49 | tux_mike | what's the device you are calling |
| 19:26:05 | s3rous | Is the zaurus worth it? I have had a jornada 525 and a Ipaq 3850 but was not satisfied with either... but I am a linux user too... |
| 19:26:50 | fiferboy | tux_mike: It is almost working now, but I am getting "GameImpl.cpp:27: redefinition of `GameImpl::GameImpl(QWidget * = 0, const char * = 0, bool = FALSE, unsigned int = 0)' |
| 19:26:50 | fiferboy | GameImpl.h:11: `GameImpl::GameImpl(QWidget * = 0, const char * = 0, bool = FALSE, unsigned int = 0)' previously defined here" |
| 19:27:07 | nelazul | |/dev/mmcda1 and 2 and /dev/sda1 and 2 |
| 19:27:16 | nelazul | stupid escape commands |
| 19:28:21 | tux_mike | oh, take out the bool = FALSE out of the definitions |
| 19:30:57 | fiferboy | Same error, but without the bool=FALSE now... |
| 19:31:17 | nelazul | so I guess I need to use the official rom to get the SD card to work... |
| 19:41:38 | ibweb | Hello. Can someone help me compiling? |
| 19:42:51 | tux_mike | what's wrong? |
| 19:44:12 | ibweb | Ok. Is the first time that I'm using the qtopia. So I'm very new at this. I installed the files and now I'm trying to test the hellow world tutorial. The thing is that I don't find anything that tells me how to compile . |
| 19:46:29 | ibweb | (I installed the arm-toolchain-trolltech-2.95.2-1.i386.rpm and the qtopia-sdk-1.5.01.i386.rpm) |
| 19:47:22 | tux_mike | ibot: basically you would set QTDIR, then g++ -o exec file.cxx -I$QTDIR/include -L$QTDIR/lib -lqte and if you are going to be makeing a QPE app -lqpe |
| 19:47:28 | tux_mike | s/ibot/ibweb |
| 19:47:38 | tux_mike | hey bigboss |
| 19:48:30 | ibweb | tux_mike: s/ibot/ibweb? |
| 19:48:41 | zacs | heh |
| 19:48:45 | zacs | he was talkin to you |
| 19:48:53 | tux_mike | my auto-nick completion picked up ibot instedad of ibwed |
| 19:48:57 | BigBoss | yo - wassup? |
| 19:48:58 | zacs | s = sed :) |
| 19:49:03 | tux_mike | s/ibwed/ibweb |
| 19:49:09 | tux_mike | that's a regexp :) |
| 19:49:10 | ibweb | ok :) |
| 19:49:18 | ibweb | tux_mike: let me try that. thanks |
| 19:49:22 | tux_mike | saying i made a mistake, and showing where to correct :) |
| 19:52:20 | ibweb | tux_mike: If I'm going to compile for the sharp, then is -lqpe , rigth ? |
| 19:53:11 | tux_mike | ibweb: only if you are using QPEApplication in the main.cxx |
| 19:53:21 | tux_mike | or any QPE specific functions |
| 19:53:28 | tux_mike | normally, yes you would. |
| 19:53:41 | ibweb | thanks |
| 19:53:58 | zacs | just runnin g++ is gonna build an x86 binary |
| 19:54:09 | zacs | he needs to run the cross compiler |
| 19:54:27 | tux_mike | true |
| 19:54:53 | tux_mike | hrm.... i can't seem to find the short circut amperage of this battery... |
| 19:59:46 | ibweb | tux_mike: I'm getting the following error. Hello.cpp:7:26: qapplication.h: No such file or directory and Hello.cpp:8:25: no such file or directory. I did an ls $QTDIR/include and I find the files. the command that I'm doing is g++ -o exec Hello.cpp -gI$QTDIR/include -L$QTDIR/lib -lqpe. ? |
| 19:59:52 | fiferboy | is away: I'm busy |
| 20:01:07 | ibweb | tux_mike: files are qapplication.h and qpushbutton.h |
| 20:03:06 | tux_mike | -I$QTDIR/include not -gI |
| 20:03:14 | tux_mike | sorry if i mistyped |
| 20:03:26 | ibweb | tux_mike: thanks |
| 20:05:13 | ibweb | tux_mike: the error that I'm getting now is /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lqpe ( second line-->) collect2: ld returned 1 exit status. ? |
| 20:07:48 | ibweb | tux_mike: for your information, there was two things that I couldn't figure it out or do , from the installation instruction in the html files. one is something about the virtual framework and the other one was about the permision write for /dev/fb0 and read access for mouse device (not /dev/mouse). I don't know if I have to do this 2. |
| 20:07:54 | tux_mike | you have QTDIR defined as /opt/Qtopia? |
| 20:08:54 | tux_mike | ibweb: you need to use qvfb in the /opt/Qtopia/bin directory |
| 20:09:03 | ibweb | no is define as /usr/lib/qt-2.3.1 . Should I define it as /opt/Qtopia? |
| 20:09:33 | tux_mike | yes, export it to that |
| 20:10:11 | ibweb | how? |
| 20:10:37 | tux_mike | export QTDIR=/opt/Qtopia |
| 20:10:43 | ibweb | ok |
| 20:11:30 | tux_mike | i'm outta here |
| 20:11:36 | tux_mike | is away: going home |
| 20:13:15 | nasa | ibweb, what are you working on? |
| 20:13:43 | ibweb | nasa: I'm trying to learn how to compile for the sharp. I'm still having errors |
| 20:14:09 | nasa | although, I haven't yet compiled for the sharp -- maybe I can help |
| 20:14:15 | nasa | what errors are you getting? |
| 20:14:52 | ibweb | nasa: now that I export the QTDIR to /opt/Qtopia, I'm getting undefined reference for /opt/Qtopia/lib/libqpe.so , I'm getting many errors , for QlistView::dra... |
| 20:15:44 | ibweb | I'm using g++ |
| 20:15:50 | nasa | ok, hold on sec |
| 20:18:30 | nasa | do a ldconfig -v | grep libqpe |
| 20:19:12 | ibweb | ldconfig -v | grep libqpe |
| 20:19:34 | ibweb | do it here? ldconfig -v | grep libqpe |
| 20:19:34 | nasa | Yes, that should tell you if that library is available |
| 20:20:43 | ibweb | Now, I don't think it is here. |
| 20:22:20 | nasa | To make things simple add the following lines to your .bashrc file for the user you are compiling with: |
| 20:22:34 | nasa | export QPEDIR=/opt/Qtopia |
| 20:22:43 | nasa | export QTDIR=/opt/Qtopia |
| 20:22:53 | nasa | export PATH=$QTDIR/bin:$PATH |
| 20:23:23 | nasa | I got disconnected! |
| 20:23:37 | nasa | did u get the TMAKEPATH line? |
| 20:23:52 | ibweb | nasa: no, I didn't |
| 20:24:10 | nasa | export TMAKEPATH=/opt/Qtopia/tmake/lib/qws/linux-generic-g++ |
| 20:24:20 | nasa | export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$QTDIR/lib:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
| 20:24:29 | nasa | BTW: what distro you using? |
| 20:31:49 | ibweb | nasa: yes, It compile. thanks . Do I have to cross-compile?. I run the exec, but it gave me some Qsocket errors, saying No Qt/Embedded server appears to be running. , if you want to run this program as a server, add the -qws command-line option |
| 20:32:23 | ibweb | nasa: do you have any idea how can I test the application? |
| 20:32:48 | nasa | What distro are you using? |
| 20:33:03 | ibweb | RH 7.2 |
| 20:33:38 | nasa | Did you download the rpm packages from the trolltech contest site? |
| 20:34:53 | ibweb | Yes. (it was giving to me, but they are from the contest site. (rpm files) |
| 20:35:03 | ibweb | (2 files, one for the cross-compiler) |
| 20:36:03 | ibweb | in the installation guide (html), they mention the qt/embedded virtual framework. do you know anything about that? |
| 20:36:24 | nasa | let me look at the html files real quick |
| 20:36:33 | ibweb | thanks |
| 20:38:21 | nasa | Ok -- first run qvfb & |
| 20:38:34 | nasa | opps, hold on sec |
| 20:38:59 | nasa | Where is your program located (the one you just compiled) |
| 20:39:55 | ibweb | is in /SharpDev/Tutorials/ |
| 20:40:24 | nasa | actually, read the page /opt/Qtopia/doc/html/qtopia/start.html |
| 20:40:41 | ibweb | ok, let me read it. |
| 20:40:47 | nasa | ok |
| 20:44:30 | ibweb | nasa: I don't need to run make at this point , rigth ? just go to step 5 |
| 20:44:46 | nasa | Yeah |
| 20:52:16 | nasa | be right back |
| 20:52:40 | ibweb | nasa: I'm trying to run qpe ( I had to go in to the bin directory and run ./qpe because qpe didn't work),and I'm getting the following error. Can't open Framebuffer device dev/fb0 |
| 21:01:33 | nasa | Do you have /opt/Qtopia/bin in your path? |
| 21:02:26 | ibweb | I have it wrong. (I have BIN unstead of bin), is there a quick way of fixing that? |
| 21:03:05 | nasa | The best way is to make sure it's right in your .bashrc file and then open a new terminal |
| 21:03:24 | nasa | That way it will be right from now on out |
| 21:03:57 | ibweb | ok, one second, that I didn't have a .bashrc file. I'm going to write one now. |
| 21:04:23 | nasa | You must have one -- it's in your home directory |
| 21:04:40 | ibweb | ok, let me check |
| 21:05:38 | ibweb | No, I don't have one. |
| 21:05:44 | fiferboy | is back (gone 01:05:51) |
| 21:06:08 | Mallory | Hal-kun writes "What happens when you put a Palm Pilot in the oven to dry with the warmth of the pilot light, only to have someone cook a Pizza while you were out? Take a look. Stick a fork in it, I think it's done." |
| 21:06:14 | Mallory | Heh, I should try that now that I have my Z! |
| 21:06:36 | nasa | That seems really strange -- do this vi ~/.bashrc |
| 21:07:39 | ibweb | yes, I see it . But I have to put the export that I did on the command line, rigth ? |
| 21:08:27 | nasa | yes -- look at step 1 on the html page you were looking at |
| 21:10:16 | ibweb | ok, now I'm ready to try again. I'll let you know in one sec. thanks |
| 21:12:45 | ibweb | Ok, I got the that working, but I don't see my app. I believe the reason for that is because it was only one cpp file, that I didn't have any of the ui files or the other files found in the example directory. may be? |
| 21:13:18 | nasa | Yes that is possible |
| 21:13:38 | nasa | try making a small image the icon |
| 21:14:16 | nasa | just rename it NameofApp.png and place it into the directory described in step 5 |
| 21:14:42 | nasa | As far as the .desktop file just modify the example one to match you app |
| 21:15:26 | ibweb | do I need a ui file and where can I get an Icon? |
| 21:16:07 | nasa | you need some icon to click on |
| 21:16:20 | nasa | use the example.png (just rename it) |
| 21:16:42 | nasa | The .desktop file is really easy to modify |
| 21:17:08 | ibweb | ok, let me try. |
| 21:26:56 | ibweb | nasa: :), getting close. Now it displays the icon and it flashes. But I'm getting QDIR::readDirEntries: Cannot read the directory: /opt/Qtopia/plugins/inputmethods ( and 4 more lines like that with differents directories) |
| 21:28:18 | nasa | First make sure directory exist and the permissions on it are correct |
| 21:28:53 | nasa | And did you add the line |
| 21:29:02 | nasa | export QTDIR=/opt/Qtopia |
| 21:29:08 | nasa | to your .bashrc file? |
| 21:29:35 | ibweb | yes, I add it the line |
| 21:30:02 | ibweb | check with chmod? |
| 21:30:20 | nasa | do a ls -al on the directories in question |
| 21:30:57 | nasa | it should look like this drwxr-wxr-x |
| 21:31:16 | nasa | sorry, I mean drwxr-xr-x |
| 21:33:07 | ibweb | directories and files or only the directories, and if not, then I change it chmod? |
| 21:33:44 | nasa | both -- make sure the user has exec permissions -- and yes use chmod to fix it |
| 21:33:55 | nasa | BTW: can you run it as root? |
| 21:34:02 | ibweb | I'm using root |
| 21:34:13 | nasa | And you still get the errors? |
| 21:34:23 | ibweb | yes |
| 21:34:35 | nasa | Ok, not permission |
| 21:34:41 | nasa | permissions |
| 21:35:14 | nasa | run program as the user you compiled the program with |
| 21:35:48 | ibweb | directory plugin does not exist or I can't find. It says /opt/Qtopia/plugins... . (I compile this as root) |
| 21:36:47 | nasa | ls -al in the /opt/Qtopia directory doesn't show plugins? |
| 21:37:17 | ibweb | now. I got apps, bin ,doc ,example, include, lib, pics, sharp, tmake |
| 21:37:40 | nasa | reinstall the qtopia-sdk-1.5.0-2 rpm |
| 21:37:52 | ibweb | ok |
| 21:38:41 | ibweb | should I use rom -ivh or rpm -Uvh ? |
| 21:38:46 | ibweb | should I use rpm -ivh or rpm -Uvh ? |
| 21:38:59 | nasa | use rpm -Uvh --force |
| 21:40:51 | ibweb | ok I did and still the same. No pluggins |
| 21:41:01 | nasa | plugin |
| 21:41:06 | nasa | plugins |
| 21:41:24 | ibweb | yea no directory call like that |
| 21:41:33 | ibweb | I did an ls -al |
| 21:41:55 | nasa | Do a rpm -qipl qtopia-sdk-1.5.0-2.rpm | grep plugin |
| 21:42:07 | ibweb | ok |
| 21:42:10 | nasa | rpm file name may be slightly different |
| 21:42:21 | nasa | check for plugins |
| 21:43:54 | ibweb | the only references to plugin are inside of the doc/html and doc/man directory. do you think this rpm is bad? |
| 21:44:27 | nasa | odd, try downloading the rpm again |
| 21:44:41 | ibweb | Ok. let me try that again. |
| 21:46:35 | nasa | Anyone know what is going on with CDCehter? |
| 21:47:41 | ibweb | nasa: I'm downloading it again. thanks for your help. I'll take a few minutes. |
| 21:47:49 | nasa | ok |
| 21:48:42 | ljp | nasa: what do you mean? |
| 21:49:04 | ibweb | nasa: Where do I get the Qtopia Center (to upload the application as mention in the start.html) for linux? (the sharp came with a cd for Windows) |
| 21:49:34 | nasa | I have never gotten the qtopia Center for linux to work |
| 21:49:58 | ljp | ahh.. what rom? |
| 21:50:02 | nasa | ljp: I am trying to see what progress in going on with connecting linux to the Z |
| 21:50:19 | nasa | With the latest rom (1.10) |
| 21:50:22 | ibweb | nasa: so, what do you do if you want to upload the app from the linux box? |
| 21:50:36 | nasa | Well, that depends |
| 21:50:56 | nasa | if you haven't changed the rom to the latest version, use CDCEther |
| 21:51:07 | nasa | Then ftp into the Z |
| 21:51:32 | nasa | If you have uploaded the newest rom, then I have been using my windows partition |
| 21:51:33 | ibweb | nasa: I have not change the rom. Where do I get CDCEther or is in linux? |
| 21:52:20 | nasa | http://www.ruault.com/Zaurus/ethernet-over-usb-howto.html |
| 21:52:58 | nasa | Other than the connectivity problem, the new rom is much better |
| 21:53:32 | ibweb | nasa: I download it the file and still the same. Where else can I downlaod this rpm. (I'm download in from someone that had place it there for me) |
| 21:53:50 | nasa | hold on sec |
| 21:59:38 | nasa | http://contest.trolltech.com/members/sdklicense.html |
| 21:59:52 | nasa | Have you signed up for the contest? |
| 22:00:02 | ibweb | No |
| 22:00:10 | nasa | Go ahead and do so |
| 22:00:21 | nasa | From there you can get to these files |
| 22:00:23 | Cam_ | isn't it too late? |
| 22:00:42 | nasa | Well, the first beta was due last monday |
| 22:00:59 | ibweb | they don't allow people to register any longer |
| 22:01:06 | nasa | oh, my bad |
| 22:01:23 | nasa | ibweb, what is your email addresss |
| 22:01:28 | nasa | I will send it to you |
| 22:01:33 | ibweb | admin@ibweb.cc |
| 22:01:44 | ibweb | thanks |
| 22:02:13 | nasa | hold on a min as I download the lastest version |
| 22:03:22 | ibweb | how do I know what kernel am I running ? |
| 22:03:50 | ljp | uname -a |
| 22:05:22 | ep0ch | anyone got the link for the new MCCI USB drivers for win2k? |
| 22:06:06 | nasa | ibweb, file is rather large so this will take a bit |
| 22:06:32 | ibweb | nasa: don't worry, take your time. Anyways, I'm not going nowhere :) |
| 22:07:01 | Fastolfe | hello everybody |
| 22:07:50 | ep0ch | yo |
| 22:09:00 | ljp | hi Fastolfe. |
| 22:09:18 | ibweb | hey F |
| 22:09:31 | zacs | nasa: they took the cross compiler off the site? |
| 22:13:45 | ljp | zacs: http://more.sbc.co.jp/slj/docandtool.asp |
| 22:14:06 | nasa | no, you can still get it from there is you have already registered |
| 22:14:06 | zacs | ljp: yeah, but the troll rpm was convenient |
| 22:14:29 | ljp | and sharp's rpm isn't? |
| 22:14:50 | zacs | ljp: i didnt see an rpm when i looked |
| 22:14:53 | zacs | lookin again |
| 22:15:12 | nasa | Both the arm cross-compiler and the sdk are there |
| 22:15:52 | ljp | along with most of the kernel source |
| 22:16:05 | zacs | ljp: my bad... thanks |
| 22:17:33 | ljp | actually the qtopia sdk isn't there |
| 22:18:35 | nasa | hey ibweb, use the link ljp put up, I just realized that the file is too big for me to email (damn at&T) |
| 22:18:44 | nasa | It's about 20Megs |
| 22:18:56 | nasa | Email box is only 10Megs |
| 22:19:01 | file | eh? |
| 22:19:50 | ibweb | nasa: Is there is another way ? Ftp or Something ? |
| 22:20:11 | ibweb | oh |
| 22:20:14 | nasa | Do you have an ftp site |
| 22:20:35 | ibweb | yes, I can give you access to it if you want . |
| 22:20:41 | ibweb | give me one second |
| 22:20:45 | nasa | ok |
| 22:24:27 | tux_mike | ljp: do the widgets get deleted for your class when you hit ok? |
| 22:27:36 | ljp | all qt widgets get deleted with the parent |
| 22:28:30 | ljp | but you can carefully delete child widgets |
| 22:34:11 | Fastolfe | lol |
| 22:34:33 | Fastolfe | someone just asked me where he could find a Java cross-compiler :) |
| 22:34:50 | tux_mike | but the parent gets deleted when i press ok or cancel on the form? |
| 22:34:57 | tux_mike | Fastolfe: that's fscking crazy :) |
| 22:35:10 | Fastolfe | "arm-linux-javac" :) yeah right |
| 22:36:40 | tux_mike | i sometimes wonder what crack people smoke, and where i can get some, because it's gotta be damned good!:) |
| 22:36:47 | file | lol |
| 22:36:47 | Fastolfe | heh |
| 22:37:27 | Fastolfe | well, maybe the guy's on to something, like a native java app. Now that would be a concept |
| 22:37:30 | tux_mike | oops... i accidentally pasted half a file into the middle of another... undo! undo! undo! |
| 22:37:51 | ljp | tux: you generally don't have to worry about deleting qt widgets |
| 22:38:04 | tux_mike | Fastolfe: i think it is possible to compile a java app nativley |
| 22:38:15 | zacs | ljp: why not? |
| 22:38:29 | Fastolfe | oh ? I'm a total looser with Java. |
| 22:38:42 | ljp | zacs: because qt deletes descendant widgets with the parent |
| 22:38:55 | tux_mike | ljp: just making sure with calling multiple new fileBrowser |
| 22:39:19 | tux_mike | qt keeps track of such things |
| 22:39:38 | ljp | yep. like I said you _can_ delete them |
| 22:39:45 | zacs | ljp: neat... i've been managing all that myself |
| 22:42:28 | tux_mike | when you delete an object, does c++ call the destructor? |
| 22:50:10 | whardier | hi |
| 22:51:10 | whardier | oooh |
| 22:51:12 | whardier | a root user |
| 22:51:14 | whardier | can I play? |
| 22:56:31 | ljp | heh- I guess not.. |
| 22:57:07 | whardier | doh |
| 23:05:29 | hetz | hi people |
| 23:05:34 | ljp | hiya |
| 23:05:46 | hetz | small question - have someone ported SDL to Zaurus? |
| 23:07:10 | Hellaenergy | is away: Pealing ass off of chair. |
| 23:07:33 | ljp | i believe someone is... |
| 23:11:11 | tux_mike | hetz: it's possible to crosscompile it to X |
| 23:12:04 | hetz | it's not for me - a friend of mine is just interesting to know if someone ported it... |
| 23:21:40 | tux_mike | hetz: i'd like to port it, but i've been backed up... i have been working on another project with Warwick, but that's also on hold for the end of the contest |
| 23:23:28 | hetz | the SDL contest? |
| 23:26:38 | fiferboy | tux_mike: I got the program almost compiling with QMainWindow, except for one error: /usr/local/arm/arm-v4l-linux/bin/ld: cannot find -lqpe |
| 23:26:48 | fiferboy | I've had that before, but I can't remember how I fixed it... |
| 23:30:36 | whardier | hi |
| 23:30:53 | tux_mike | fiferboy: export QTDIR=/opt/Qtopia |
| 23:35:01 | whardier | SDL contest? |
| 23:35:03 | whardier | hehe |
| 23:35:11 | whardier | I made the prototype boot logo animation for OZ in sdl |
| 23:36:00 | whardier | listens to Neo Cyber Christ |
| 23:36:40 | ljp | wonders why my cat uses my keyboard as a pillow and puts his emacs buffer in read only mode |
| 23:37:03 | fiferboy | tux_mike: Thanks, I thought I had exported everything. |
| 23:37:50 | whardier | ljp mine uses the monitor |
| 23:38:04 | whardier | do you know how fucked it is to have the monitor looking back at you? |
| 23:38:54 | ljp | :) |
| 23:39:13 | ljp | mine also uses my sound mixer as a bed |
| 23:39:31 | ljp | knobs and all- he doesn't care |
| 23:39:45 | whardier | hahaha |
| 23:39:52 | whardier | mine uses boobs |
| 23:39:56 | whardier | he doesn't care |
| 23:39:58 | whardier | knobs and all |
| 23:40:08 | whardier | if there is a pair of breasts in the house |
| 23:40:11 | whardier | they have been claimed |
| 23:54:19 | scanline | is back (gone 20:41:50) |
