| 00:01:15 | tux_mike | hrm... i hope there's enough room on OZ for kaffe. |
| 00:01:59 | ][N-Flux | damn flu |
| 00:02:04 | ][N-Flux | since sunday |
| 00:02:10 | Neo|Work | that sucks |
| 00:02:17 | ][N-Flux | yeah it does |
| 00:03:00 | ][N-Flux | long work day tomorrow too, blech |
| 00:03:06 | kergoth | tux_mike: the games are likely being removed from the base rom |
| 00:03:21 | kergoth | tux_mike: i'll test kaffe when i get home. im leavin work now |
| 00:03:31 | kergoth`work | is away: went home |
| 00:03:34 | tux_mike | kergoth`work: cool |
| 00:12:30 | tux_mike | hey ljp |
| 00:14:36 | ljp | hi! |
| 00:14:52 | ljp | hoz it going with that qt? |
| 00:16:40 | tux_mike | ok... haven't worked much today on it, i've been studying and working on kaffe |
| 00:20:30 | vluther | sweet |
| 00:20:52 | vluther | helps to read the general mailing list :) |
| 00:31:13 | peanut-z | waves |
| 00:32:20 | peanut-z | jabber rocks |
| 00:32:50 | vluther | using the jabber irc client ? |
| 00:32:50 | | peanut was last seen on #zaurus 3 hours, 3 minutes and 37 seconds ago, saying: l8r all [Thu Feb 7 21:29:13 2002] |
| 00:32:50 | peanut-z | ibot seen peanut |
| 00:33:22 | peanut-z | yup |
| 00:33:28 | vluther | i know peanut is from nj |
| 00:33:45 | vluther | anyone else from nj ? I went to best buy couldn't find a CF wireless card |
| 00:33:55 | peanut-z | i am not from nj |
| 00:34:01 | vluther | wonderin what retail stores have em |
| 00:34:34 | peanut-z | hrmm |
| 00:35:19 | peanut-z | hrmm |
| 00:36:30 | peanut-z | bummer |
| 00:38:46 | peanut-z | if i run jabber mail and opera things get bad |
| 00:38:53 | peanut-z | real bad |
| 00:39:20 | peanut-z | i wonder if todo/addr/cal always running contribute to this |
| 00:39:29 | vluther | doing it from zaurus ? |
| 00:39:37 | tux_mike | dhrmmm... |
| 00:39:39 | peanut-z | yup |
| 00:40:00 | Fastolfe | HOY HOY HOY |
| 00:40:14 | Fastolfe | Good day fellow human beings |
| 00:40:40 | peanut-z | hrmm |
| 00:40:53 | peanut-z | hrmm |
| 00:40:53 | | jperlow-sharp was last seen on #zaurus 2 hours, 43 minutes and 1 seconds ago, saying: just the zlib [Thu Feb 7 21:57:52 2002] |
| 00:40:53 | Fastolfe | ibot seen jperlow-sharp |
| 00:41:28 | peanut-z | damn |
| 00:41:38 | peanut-z | i think its the opera prob |
| 00:41:51 | peanut-z | i can run opera by itself |
| 00:42:00 | peanut-z | but nothing else |
| 00:42:05 | peanut-z | hrmm |
| 00:42:30 | peanut-z | battery running low |
| 00:43:19 | peanut-z | i cant run filemanager jabber and mail either |
| 00:43:25 | vluther | ok |
| 00:43:41 | peanut-z | i need to do a report on this |
| 00:43:48 | vluther | i have a win2k machine, with zaurus. two machines can talk to each other, via intellisync and ping.. |
| 00:44:00 | peanut-z | what rom |
| 00:44:10 | vluther | i wanna be able to run opera from the cradle just to test it, and be able to get on the net. |
| 00:44:11 | vluther | rom 1.11 |
| 00:44:34 | vluther | i have 192.168.1.200 set as my gateway on the zaurus |
| 00:44:53 | vluther | and the gw for the usb on my w2k machine is 192.168.8.1 |
| 00:45:07 | vluther | does that sound right ? |
| 00:45:09 | peanut-z | battery dying |
| 00:45:14 | vluther | :( |
| 00:46:04 | vluther | hola |
| 00:46:17 | vluther | anyone else awake ? |
| 00:53:16 | ljp | ya.. sorta |
| 00:53:24 | ][N-Flux | sleep...zzzz |
| 00:56:17 | ljp | long day... |
| 00:56:21 | vluther | i'm sure |
| 00:56:33 | vluther | my problem got even wierder after i reinstalled 2k |
| 00:56:51 | vluther | i wanted to be able to get on the net from the zaurus by using the usb ethernet stuff. |
| 00:57:47 | vluther | so zaurus has ip 192.168.1.201 , computer has ip: .200, and the actual ethernet card on the computer has ip 192.168.8.233 |
| 00:57:56 | vluther | err 133 |
| 00:59:01 | vluther | on the zaurus, my gw is .200 , |
| 00:59:11 | vluther | is that correct ? |
| 01:01:22 | roge99 | vluther: you wont be able to get on the net unless your router ( or what ever 192.168.8.1 is ) knows about the 192.168.1.XXX subnet and knows that the route there is via 192.168.8.133 |
| 01:01:47 | roge99 | and the win2k box is setup to forward traffic |
| 01:03:19 | vluther | ok how do i tell win2k to forward traffic ? |
| 01:03:29 | vluther | i can't even get the sharp to ping 192.168.8.1 |
| 01:03:32 | vluther | or 133 |
| 01:04:51 | roge99 | can you ping 192.168.1.200 |
| 01:05:12 | vluther | yep |
| 01:06:19 | roge99 | theres a setting it there somewhere for setting up w2k as a router |
| 01:06:44 | vluther | enabling ics for w2k says it'll change it's ip's etc.. |
| 01:06:44 | vluther | blah |
| 01:08:39 | roge99 | what is 192.168.8.1 anyhow |
| 01:08:51 | vluther | the gateway for our office |
| 01:08:59 | vluther | it's a cisco sumtin |
| 01:09:33 | roge99 | unless you have access to modify the routing tables its not gona work |
| 01:10:22 | vluther | nope. |
| 01:10:29 | vluther | hrmm darn that sux. |
| 01:10:41 | vluther | it would be easier with linux and nat tho right ? |
| 01:10:42 | roge99 | or if you get the winblows box to do some sort of nat |
| 01:10:50 | roge99 | yep |
| 01:11:02 | vluther | k i'll try it with linux tomorrow |
| 01:11:22 | vluther | any ideas what store carries a CF wireless card btw ? maybe i can get the wireless card to work @ home atleast |
| 01:11:39 | Neo|Work | darn, no qsplitter |
| 01:12:13 | vluther | this framebuffer VNC server, pretty much lets me VNC into the zaurus right ? |
| 01:12:27 | roge99 | yea |
| 01:13:28 | vluther | with the regular vnc client for linux or windows ? |
| 01:13:36 | roge99 | yep |
| 01:14:40 | vluther | too cool. |
| 01:16:45 | vluther | wonder if i can get irda on my thinkpad to work.. then talk to zaurus.. |
| 01:24:20 | scanline | is back (gone 09:06:57) |
| 01:34:30 | CosmicPenguin | is away: Uh, oh.. the weasel got out again... |
| 01:46:39 | scanline | is away: class |
| 01:53:49 | ljp | damn.. winders is smart! Just enable ICS.. and lose your DNS! |
| 02:00:01 | ljp | sometimes I really wonder anout windows OS... *sigh* |
| 02:00:49 | roge99 | windows is an OS ??? all this time i thought is was a virus .... |
| 02:01:30 | ljp | heh- it IS.. you can tell.. if you enable the BIOS virus check. and install any windows!! :) |
| 02:01:53 | tux_mike | mmm supah pretzel |
| 02:03:13 | tux_mike | ljp: doesn't it do the same if you try to install linux? :) |
| 02:03:26 | ljp | nope... |
| 02:03:35 | ljp | tnot that I'm aware of |
| 02:04:14 | tux_mike | ah, right, you can install lilo to the boot sector of the root, not the mbr |
| 02:04:16 | ljp | I don't have to install linux very often.. :) |
| 02:05:26 | tux_mike | *annoyed grunt* where's kergoth |
| 02:07:13 | ljp | looks like he's at work :) |
| 02:07:48 | Fastolfe | hmm |
| 02:08:35 | tux_mike | he went home. |
| 02:14:38 | roge99 | tux_mike: did you try looking for kergoth on #opie |
| 02:15:02 | tux_mike | not there :) |
| 02:15:11 | roge99 | just a thought |
| 02:27:53 | sean | forgets.. who wrote eligo? |
| 02:33:22 | brett | yo |
| 02:33:25 | Neo|Work | sean: me |
| 02:33:47 | brett | Hey, was anyone on here using my nick just a bit ago? |
| 02:39:09 | brett | Yeah, a bunch of party animals in here this evening. |
| 02:39:24 | brett | whooooo doggie! |
| 02:39:55 | Fastolfe | crap |
| 02:40:02 | Fastolfe | I messed up my kernel |
| 02:40:05 | Fastolfe | reboot time |
| 02:43:42 | tux_mike | anyone have a zlib for the Z? |
| 02:44:44 | brett | tux: Doesn't it come with the ssh ipk? |
| 02:44:54 | tux_mike | i don't have nor use ssh |
| 02:44:55 | tux_mike | on the z |
| 02:45:06 | brett | Right, but it's in the .ipk |
| 02:45:13 | tux_mike | it should be a seperate ipk... |
| 02:45:17 | brett | So you can uncompress it and grab it. |
| 02:48:42 | ][N-Flux | soundforge page has the zlib |
| 02:50:07 | Fastolfe | rraahh |
| 02:50:49 | ][N-Flux | hehe |
| 02:51:01 | Fastolfe | is a computer idiot |
| 02:51:10 | brett | ROOOOAAAAARRRR |
| 02:51:18 | ][N-Flux | what did you do now? |
| 02:51:38 | Fastolfe | who ? |
| 02:51:48 | ][N-Flux | * Fastolfe is a computer idiot |
| 02:51:51 | ][N-Flux | you silly |
| 02:52:16 | Fastolfe | oh well, I deference null pointers in kernel modules and expect them do work |
| 02:52:36 | Fastolfe | s/deference/dereference |
| 02:53:16 | brett | *snicker* |
| 02:53:23 | ][N-Flux | wh00ps |
| 02:53:28 | Fastolfe | at least I'm starting to get some results with the CDCether driver |
| 02:53:45 | brett | fastwolfe: What are you trying to do with it? |
| 02:54:01 | Fastolfe | make it work :) |
| 02:54:41 | brett | Fastolfe: Work in what way? |
| 02:55:39 | Fastolfe | work as in "you plug a Zaurus in the cradle and you can talk to it through IP-over-USB" |
| 02:55:43 | brett | Fastolfe: I'm just wondering because there's already a patch to CDCether to allow usb networking to the Z. |
| 02:55:50 | Fastolfe | yeah |
| 02:55:53 | Fastolfe | I'm fixing the patch |
| 02:56:12 | Fastolfe | l |
| 02:56:13 | Fastolfe | oops |
| 02:56:41 | nasa | So did Sharp give you the info you need? |
| 02:56:53 | Fastolfe | no, I think it's more stupid than that |
| 02:56:55 | brett | ahh cool deal. Just wanted to make sure you weren't re-inventing the wheel there. :) |
| 02:57:00 | Neo|Work | some progress: http://david.hedbor.org/tmp/edict01.png |
| 02:57:01 | Fastolfe | like a null pointer :) |
| 02:57:55 | Fastolfe | NeoTron: what is it ? |
| 02:58:05 | Neo|Work | Fastolfe: beginning of a dict.org client |
| 02:58:11 | nasa | well... that would be simple, but if that was the problem, why haven't we seen it before? |
| 02:58:11 | Fastolfe | k |
| 02:58:12 | Neo|Work | i.e networked dictionary client |
| 02:58:31 | Fastolfe | nasa: I think nobody gives a toss |
| 02:59:30 | nasa | toss, Fastolfe - are you trying to polite? |
| 02:59:36 | Fastolfe | heh |
| 02:59:39 | Neo|Work | goes home. |
| 02:59:44 | Fastolfe | I spent too much time in the UK I spose |
| 02:59:48 | Fastolfe | okay then |
| 02:59:54 | Fastolfe | nasa: I think nobody gives a flying fuck |
| 03:00:10 | roge99 | lol |
| 03:00:21 | nasa | Much better |
| 03:00:33 | Fastolfe | you bet your ass matey |
| 03:00:39 | ljp | Fastolfe: does vnc work on ipaq? |
| 03:00:45 | Fastolfe | ljp: it should |
| 03:00:52 | Fastolfe | ljp: but not in fancy mode |
| 03:01:04 | Fastolfe | ljp: in fancy mode you'll get major kaboom |
| 03:01:31 | ljp | how do you not run it in fancy mode? |
| 03:01:41 | Fastolfe | you call it without "-fancy" :) |
| 03:02:24 | Fastolfe | ljp: some guy will port it to the 'paq soon |
| 03:02:30 | Fastolfe | ljp: I sent him the src |
| 03:03:01 | scanline | is back (gone 01:16:21) |
| 03:03:03 | ljp | ahh... someguy on #opie is asking about it |
| 03:03:11 | Fastolfe | k hold on |
| 03:04:53 | nasa | So where is this patch for CDCether? |
| 03:06:08 | nasa | Since, I do give a flying fuck |
| 03:07:10 | Aelf-AFK | a patch to work with the new roms? |
| 03:07:56 | nasa | I hope so |
| 03:11:08 | ljp | anybody know what a lot of files on the Z are dated 1969??? |
| 03:11:26 | ljp | s/why/what |
| 03:11:36 | Aelfweld | year 2k bug? or an inside joke? |
| 03:11:43 | ljp | heh.. that's funny |
| 03:11:52 | ljp | no joke.. |
| 03:12:16 | Grumpy7 | Yeah, saw that a long time ago. I'm thinking it's a bug or somebody jiggered up the timestamps to be negative somehow... |
| 03:12:16 | vluther | timezone ? |
| 03:12:35 | ljp | heh.. that's one BIG timezone, man |
| 03:12:35 | Grumpy7 | Then again, that's supposed to be an unsigned long, isn't it? |
| 03:13:43 | Grumpy7 | So, load up 1.10, or 1.11? (Just downloading now...) |
| 03:13:44 | vluther | i mean't timezone problems ? |
| 03:13:50 | vluther | what file is dated 1969 for u ? |
| 03:14:15 | scribe | anyone know how to get unicode fonts working in qtopia and QTextView? |
| 03:15:26 | ljp | vluther: well.. I mounted the rom on my desktop |
| 03:15:40 | ljp | and almost all of them |
| 03:16:05 | ][N-Flux | bin, lib, root, sbin, all dated 12/31/69 |
| 03:16:07 | Grumpy7 | Yeah, doing ls -l in the terminal shows that, too... |
| 03:16:58 | vluther | the new rom ? |
| 03:17:02 | vluther | hmm wierd |
| 03:17:02 | ljp | yep |
| 03:17:14 | Grumpy7 | Old ROM, too. |
| 03:17:15 | vluther | i don't see 1969 doing ls -l |
| 03:17:48 | vluther | o wait yes i do |
| 03:17:57 | vluther | it's wrapping duh |
| 03:17:59 | ][N-Flux | just pervs over at sharp, or bryan adam;s fans |
| 03:18:16 | ljp | look in /usr |
| 03:18:27 | vluther | i see them in / |
| 03:18:50 | ljp | someone at Sharp has a messed up box |
| 03:18:53 | dkl | Cool, new rom connects to my Nokia 8290 with no probs |
| 03:19:12 | vluther | connects to cellphone ? |
| 03:19:29 | dkl | vluther: yeah, at a speedy 9600 baud but does work |
| 03:19:41 | brett | dkl: What new rom? |
| 03:19:48 | brett | I've been out of the loop for a couple days. |
| 03:19:51 | nasa | Well, I just want to have the usb-ip thingy working |
| 03:19:53 | dkl | 1.10 from Sharp |
| 03:19:57 | vluther | with a cable or irda ? |
| 03:20:04 | brett | dkl: I'm not seeing it on the dev site, where's it at? |
| 03:20:07 | vluther | brett: 1.11/1.10 is out |
| 03:20:12 | Grumpy7 | ljp: epoch is 1970, so they've got a REALLY messed up box... |
| 03:20:12 | brett | cool beans. |
| 03:20:35 | brett | I'm only seeing 1.02 on the dev site download page. |
| 03:20:44 | dkl | does anyone know if the OpenZaurus 2.6 rom have working USB/IP support? |
| 03:20:51 | vluther | http://more.sbc.co.jp/slj/download.asp |
| 03:21:00 | dkl | brett: The topic has the download link |
| 03:22:31 | roge99 | dkl: yea the oz 2.6 worked w/ usb |
| 03:22:37 | brett | Cool, thanks guys |
| 03:22:43 | brett | It's still showing 1.02 on their dl page though. |
| 03:22:59 | dkl | roge99: I might try it out out of curiosity and wait for the fixed sharp rom |
| 03:24:57 | vluther | how much different are the OZ and sharp roms ? |
| 03:25:36 | Grumpy7 | OZ has no java, no opera. Has a few other things, including konqueror |
| 03:25:52 | vluther | ahh |
| 03:29:45 | ][N-Flux | night all |
| 03:30:00 | dkl | Are the backup files compatible between OZ and Sharp roms? |
| 03:30:08 | nasa | night |
| 03:30:11 | ][N-Flux | Fastolfe: nice speed on 6.6 vnc |
| 03:30:12 | dkl | nite |
| 03:30:27 | nasa | what exactly does vnc do? |
| 03:30:53 | ][N-Flux | pulls a display over, kinda like pc anywhere |
| 03:31:16 | nasa | Thanks |
| 03:34:18 | rospahr | anyone have the url for Qtopia Desktop for Linux? |
| 03:34:47 | nasa | Don't know if they updated it with this last rom |
| 03:35:00 | treke | rospahr : ftp.trolltech.com |
| 03:35:05 | rospahr | thanks |
| 03:35:06 | Grumpy7 | Does Intellisync still work with the new roms? |
| 03:35:12 | treke | Its under the qtembedded directories |
| 03:35:15 | nasa | For the most part |
| 03:35:29 | Grumpy7 | What's broke? |
| 03:35:29 | vluther | grumpy: yes |
| 03:35:45 | vluther | but u need to change the ip .. for some reason they've set new ips for it .. |
| 03:35:48 | nasa | it still crashes on transfering large files |
| 03:36:11 | Grumpy7 | Ok, no real difference. I'll look over the IPs. Thanks |
| 03:36:22 | Grumpy7 | Give me something to do at work tomorrow. |
| 03:36:25 | nasa | Actually, I found it to be much better |
| 03:36:31 | nasa | At least for windows |
| 03:36:51 | nasa | And no, I didn't have to mess with ip addresses at all |
| 03:37:05 | Grumpy7 | Just want to be able to sync my cal with Outlook... |
| 03:37:33 | nasa | download the latest usb drivers and the newest intellsync |
| 03:37:51 | nasa | follow the instructions and it should setup easy |
| 03:38:33 | Grumpy7 | Download from? |
| 03:38:45 | Grumpy7 | Wait, found it. |
| 03:38:56 | nasa | good, because I forgot |
| 03:39:08 | Grumpy7 | Sharp doesn't really make it jump out on their download page... |
| 03:39:16 | nasa | I know |
| 03:39:42 | nasa | If you want to use the qtopiadesktop stuff, download it and skip the intellsync install |
| 03:40:19 | vluther | thats pretty interesting imho.. if u have IS installed, then u can't even install qtopia.. |
| 03:40:25 | Grumpy7 | Been using intelisync all along, so I'll just stick with that for now... |
| 03:40:40 | nasa | good idea |
| 03:41:19 | Grumpy7 | If I could get another cradle, I might play with Qtopia desktop on Linux here, but not really that huge a deal... |
| 03:42:06 | nasa | where is the qtembedded directory on the trolltech ftp site? |
| 03:42:33 | Grumpy7 | Hmm, dunno |
| 03:42:40 | nasa | never mind |
| 03:43:05 | Grumpy7 | Yeah, I'd have to go look... |
| 03:43:20 | nasa | found it -- and everything there is old |
| 03:45:38 | Grumpy7 | Guess I have to go raid my camera for the CF card again...;^) |
| 03:45:50 | dkl | I could see how people with large fingers would have difficulty holding down the C and D keys at the same time :) |
| 03:47:00 | nasa | Yeah, but you won't do it by accident |
| 03:47:22 | dkl | true |
| 03:48:10 | vluther | plus it's a hidden incentive for you to lose weight |
| 03:48:26 | vluther | :) |
| 03:48:33 | nasa | heh |
| 03:49:20 | nasa | Did Fastolfe ever rejoin use? |
| 03:49:32 | Fastolfe | I'm here |
| 03:49:57 | nasa | oh, just wanted to ask about CDCether -- is there a patch floating around? |
| 03:50:06 | Fastolfe | I'm working on it |
| 03:50:30 | BigBoss | anyone here good at plain old C that wants to help fix a bug in the IRC->Jabber transport? |
| 03:50:43 | BigBoss | we found the bug, but we're more C++ and Java programmers |
| 03:50:51 | nasa | Great, just thought I would ask -- I'll be doing my military duty for the next few days |
| 03:51:03 | nasa | so I will check we I am back |
| 03:51:18 | Grumpy7 | Hmm, what am I missing off of my MM card that I'll need to reload? |
| 03:51:35 | Grumpy7 | BigBoss: What's the bug? |
| 03:51:55 | Grumpy7 | Unfortunately, my K&R is at work...;^( |
| 03:51:58 | BigBoss | has to do with someone trying to connect to a channel with the same nick as someone else, it causes the server to crash |
| 03:52:22 | Grumpy7 | For what reason? |
| 03:52:40 | nasa | See you guys around |
| 03:53:09 | BigBoss | I don't have the details handy. My engineer just told me he had found the bug, what it was in general and that he isn't very good at plain C :) |
| 03:53:45 | BigBoss | and it's sort of outside my background with C |
| 03:53:46 | Grumpy7 | Probably more esoteric than I want to deal with this late...;^) |
| 03:53:56 | BigBoss | no sweat - just though I'd ask |
| 03:54:41 | Grumpy7 | Which version of the transport. If I have it here, I'll look at the source quick-like. |
| 03:54:56 | MSpin | BigBoss: what seems to be the problem? |
| 03:55:14 | rospahr | anybody know if trolltech has made the source code available for the Qtopia desktop? |
| 03:56:02 | | qpe is at http://qpe.sourceforge.net or at cvs: cvs.qpe.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/qpe username: anonymous module: qpe |
| 03:56:02 | treke | ibot qpe |
| 03:56:25 | Grumpy7 | BigBoss: haven't pulled a version of it since 0.1b-1.40 |
| 03:57:21 | rospahr | I need the desktop source code.. not a binary. need to recompile for linux on the powerPC |
| 03:57:45 | treke | oh qtopia desktop, no source there |
| 03:57:57 | rospahr | ahh I was afraid of that |
| 03:58:31 | Guest1 | Greetings all |
| 04:04:40 | whardier | holy crap |
| 04:04:47 | whardier | there are a lot of people in here |
| 04:04:53 | roge99 | oh yea |
| 04:04:57 | argent | greetings all |
| 04:04:58 | whardier | why? |
| 04:05:05 | roge99 | the little group has grown |
| 04:05:10 | whardier | is back home in colorado now |
| 04:05:44 | roge99 | whardier: so how did you like alaska |
| 04:06:03 | whardier | cold |
| 04:06:10 | whardier | why are all these people here? |
| 04:06:41 | roge99 | they sold z's at lwe and we picked up a lot more users |
| 04:06:48 | whardier | hah |
| 04:06:49 | whardier | wow |
| 04:06:50 | roge99 | im sure that helped |
| 04:06:55 | whardier | well HELLO ALL |
| 04:06:56 | argent | Yup, that's where I picked up mine. |
| 04:07:01 | whardier | I would like to introduce myself |
| 04:07:09 | whardier | my name is Shane |
| 04:07:12 | whardier | I am your new master |
| 04:07:16 | whardier | you can all bow now |
| 04:07:24 | argent | bows and scrapes |
| 04:07:31 | whardier | I said nothing about scraping! |
| 04:07:43 | Grumpy7 | waves to whardier |
| 04:07:43 | argent | grovels for getting out of line... |
| 04:07:55 | ljp | ahhh colorado.. |
| 04:08:01 | argent | damn, you didn't say "simon say's" either... |
| 04:08:27 | whardier | haha |
| 04:08:30 | whardier | well he didn't |
| 04:08:36 | Grumpy7 | whardier: alaska? I mean - why? |
| 04:08:58 | whardier | I had a contract up there to complete |
| 04:09:01 | whardier | it was cool |
| 04:09:05 | ljp | he likes them eskimo women |
| 04:09:08 | whardier | we were on St. Paul Island |
| 04:09:10 | Grumpy7 | is originally from Upper Michigan |
| 04:09:14 | whardier | ljp no eskimos |
| 04:09:20 | argent | Anyone in here using a dlink wireless CF NIC? I'm having troubles with mine doing valid arp requests...... |
| 04:09:20 | whardier | thats a lot more north |
| 04:09:33 | ljp | Iused to live in Marquette |
| 04:09:41 | MSpin | '<whardier> it was cool' heh |
| 04:09:50 | ljp | I also lived in Girdwood, AK |
| 04:09:52 | mtm_ | BigBoss: you still need help with that jabber problem? |
| 04:09:58 | whardier | we have a friend in Girdwood |
| 04:09:58 | Grumpy7 | ljp: Graduated from MTU. Love the snow! |
| 04:10:05 | whardier | hepayeda chick to dance onmy laplast night |
| 04:10:18 | whardier | he payed a chick to dance on my lap last night |
| 04:10:54 | ljp | Grumpy: ya, I miss that lake |
| 04:10:56 | whardier | then some chick snuggled with me on the plane home.. I had an odd night |
| 04:11:14 | whardier | is soo glad he is back... OZ time baby! |
| 04:11:16 | Grumpy7 | ljp: Originally from the south end - Menominee county... |
| 04:11:38 | whardier | mini me county |
| 04:11:44 | Fastolfe | lol |
| 04:12:00 | whardier | I smelled like a stripper when I got on the plane |
| 04:12:05 | whardier | maybe that is why I got snuggled |
| 04:12:17 | Grumpy7 | motoney county... escabanana... Yeah, I know...;^) |
| 04:12:19 | treke | whatever works |
| 04:12:36 | Grumpy7 | s/motoney/monotoney/ |
| 04:13:11 | whardier | anyways |
| 04:13:17 | argent | Anyone in here using a dlink wireless CF NIC? I'm having troubles with mine doing valid arp requests...... |
| 04:13:20 | whardier | I am so happy there are more peoplein this channel |
| 04:13:33 | whardier | argent I have a WCF-11 |
| 04:13:48 | Grumpy7 | argent: me too. |
| 04:13:56 | Grumpy7 | WCF-11, that is. |
| 04:14:01 | argent | mine's acting weird. I can pick up an IP via dhcp, ping some ip's but not others... |
| 04:14:06 | whardier | I am tired of linksys equipment |
| 04:14:26 | MEGASTeP | is away: I'm away, dammit |
| 04:14:27 | argent | sniffer doesn't show an arp request coming from my zaurus all the time... |
| 04:14:30 | whardier | after dorking around with proxims stuff..I sorta wanna find hardware like it.. that is not so expensive.. that does not alwayscrash |
| 04:14:53 | whardier | at the end of the contract we had 11 proxim waps hooked up to a PoE/AP Controller |
| 04:15:01 | whardier | you guys wanna make money |
| 04:15:07 | whardier | hook up peole with proxims stuff |
| 04:15:14 | whardier | s/peole/people/ |
| 04:15:40 | whardier | run cat 5 to each AP point in the building.. then run power over the ethernet and let the AP controller handle all the functions. |
| 04:15:54 | zero1 | hello, quick question pls |
| 04:16:19 | Grumpy7 | Yes, zero1? |
| 04:16:39 | whardier | pls ask :) |
| 04:16:41 | zero1 | i am updating to openZ 2.6 and noticed there was not a romimage but other files, what's the update proceedure? |
| 04:16:55 | whardier | copythe files tothe CF card |
| 04:17:00 | zero1 | just replace those files and reboot? |
| 04:17:05 | whardier | remove the old romimage from the root on the CF |
| 04:17:06 | whardier | then flash |
| 04:17:16 | whardier | gives zero1 +1 know-how |
| 04:17:17 | zero1 | ok cool, thx |
| 04:17:31 | whardier | my kitties missed me a lot |
| 04:17:41 | MSpin | proxim, now that's expensive stuff:) |
| 04:17:43 | zero1 | need those damn games working! :) |
| 04:17:51 | whardier | MSpin $400 per AP |
| 04:17:58 | whardier | 500 per PoE controller |
| 04:18:03 | whardier | 600 for the AP controller |
| 04:18:06 | argent | how does the openz rom stack up to the "official" rom? |
| 04:18:06 | MSpin | hrm, not bad actually |
| 04:18:10 | roge99 | whardier: those ap's get power from the cat 5 ? |
| 04:18:13 | zero1 | keep up the good work, can't wait to flash to openZ 5.0! |
| 04:18:13 | whardier | total damage $6,000 on this hotel install we did |
| 04:18:19 | whardier | but it is practically flawless |
| 04:18:29 | whardier | and we got payed lots to do it |
| 04:18:41 | whardier | zero1 I can't wait to flash you in person |
| 04:18:49 | Grumpy7 | is away: Soaking aching old body |
| 04:18:59 | zero1 | hmm, is that a good thing or a bad thing? |
| 04:19:01 | whardier | haha |
| 04:19:02 | whardier | bad |
| 04:19:10 | zero1 | thx |
| 04:19:13 | whardier | I am just joking around |
| 04:19:17 | zero1 | :( |
| 04:19:30 | whardier | you would not want me to.. I am uh.. a dewd |
| 04:19:45 | whardier | awaits his pizza to be delivered |
| 04:19:54 | zero1 | bye |
| 04:20:08 | whardier | http://www.google.com/programming-contest/ |
| 04:20:46 | MSpin | ja |
| 04:20:53 | MSpin | too bad they own you after wards |
| 04:24:16 | Hellaenergy | Hola! |
| 04:24:23 | roge99 | whats up Hellaenergy |
| 04:24:44 | Hellaenergy | This group is huge now a days :) |
| 04:25:03 | Hellaenergy | roge99: As always hella O |
| 04:25:44 | Hellaenergy | I hope yall are breakin stuff! |
| 04:26:03 | Hellaenergy | Yeeee Haaaaa! |
| 04:27:00 | Hellaenergy | I saw Fastolfe was diggin deep I like to see that :) |
| 04:27:06 | zero1 | one more dumb question |
| 04:27:30 | zero1 | i flashed but sysinfo says openZ2.5, how can i really tell it's 2.6 |
| 04:27:36 | whardier | hmm |
| 04:27:39 | whardier | fuck on a stic |
| 04:27:46 | Hellaenergy | that fbvncserver has got my vote so far. |
| 04:28:33 | roge99 | zero1: got a wlan card |
| 04:28:35 | Hellaenergy | Does he even qualify for that contest; Is he entered? |
| 04:28:46 | roge99 | Hellaenergy: i think so |
| 04:28:56 | zero1 | hmm, i have an eth card |
| 04:29:28 | Hellaenergy | roge99: iptables? |
| 04:30:02 | whardier | oz 2.0 has iptables in it :) |
| 04:30:11 | roge99 | Hellaenergy: iptables what ? |
| 04:30:15 | whardier | I dunno if kergoth`work fixed 2.6 |
| 04:30:17 | Hellaenergy | You got time? |
| 04:30:29 | roge99 | yea what the hell |
| 04:30:32 | Hellaenergy | iptables = crucial |
| 04:30:52 | whardier | maybe since I am the other developer |
| 04:30:54 | whardier | for OZ |
| 04:30:57 | whardier | I should.. develop |
| 04:30:59 | whardier | heh |
| 04:31:08 | whardier | wishes kergoth were here to explain his work ATM |
| 04:31:23 | whardier | and I wanna know about BZFlag's help to the build system |
| 04:31:33 | argent | Whardier> You are using OZ with a WCF-11? |
| 04:31:40 | whardier | yeah |
| 04:32:09 | argent | Did you have to alter the wlan.conf file to get it working? |
| 04:32:23 | Hellaenergy | we need to have that shit otherwise we will have those suckers saying they had the 1st zaurus virus. FUCK THAT! |
| 04:32:23 | whardier | lots of things need to happen |
| 04:32:30 | whardier | can you wait for the next OZ release? |
| 04:32:40 | Hellaenergy | Ain't no viruses . |
| 04:32:52 | Hellaenergy | Can I hear a amen? |
| 04:32:52 | whardier | what suckers?? |
| 04:33:01 | Hellaenergy | You! |
| 04:33:03 | Hellaenergy | jk |
| 04:33:21 | whardier | huh? |
| 04:33:48 | whardier | the closest thing to an Zaurus virus is a WinCE user |
| 04:34:16 | Hellaenergy | word! |
| 04:34:54 | Hellaenergy | We want people to know if a zaurus is connected on their netword there is NO chance of such a thing :) |
| 04:35:04 | Hellaenergy | k |
| 04:35:13 | whardier | Hellaenergy I think you misinterperateiptables |
| 04:35:22 | whardier | iptables is not a firewall |
| 04:35:30 | whardier | just because it is installed |
| 04:36:12 | Hellaenergy | true |
| 04:36:27 | Hellaenergy | But it is a start |
| 04:36:38 | Hellaenergy | a threat |
| 04:36:38 | whardier | I think it would be almost impossible for the OZ community to agree on firewall rules for it |
| 04:36:40 | Hellaenergy | huh |
| 04:36:44 | argent | I'm off to the land of nod. Gnite all |
| 04:36:49 | whardier | I use iptables on my Zaurus for exporting traffic |
| 04:36:57 | whardier | thru the usb port.. and out the wcf-11 |
| 04:37:01 | Hellaenergy | see my point |
| 04:37:04 | whardier | so that I do not need a wireless card |
| 04:37:13 | whardier | in my laptop |
| 04:37:23 | Hellaenergy | wireless is shit for security |
| 04:37:35 | whardier | true that |
| 04:37:43 | Hellaenergy | I dare you to write a tr.... |
| 04:37:57 | whardier | .... |
| 04:38:04 | Hellaenergy | Because I wear my jimmy hat |
| 04:38:09 | whardier | wow |
| 04:38:18 | whardier | are you bipolar |
| 04:38:28 | Hellaenergy | sometimes |
| 04:38:33 | whardier | my cat is |
| 04:38:35 | Hellaenergy | naaaa |
| 04:38:44 | Hellaenergy | Where are you now? |
| 04:38:50 | whardier | Colorado |
| 04:38:53 | whardier | finally |
| 04:38:55 | Hellaenergy | Skiing? |
| 04:38:56 | whardier | home sweet home |
| 04:39:04 | whardier | Hellaenergy no.. too expensive |
| 04:39:15 | Hellaenergy | What? |
| 04:39:21 | Hellaenergy | There are ways :) |
| 04:39:31 | whardier | Skiing is too damn expensive.. and a waste of valuable time IMHO |
| 04:39:37 | Hellaenergy | ha |
| 04:39:42 | whardier | it takes like 2-3 hours to get anywhere good |
| 04:39:46 | whardier | from where I am |
| 04:39:46 | Hellaenergy | You will someday :) |
| 04:40:00 | Hellaenergy | If you like that is... |
| 04:40:04 | scanline | is away: stress releif in a convenient 640x480x8 package |
| 04:40:24 | whardier | but no.. I am home from a contract.. so I am spending most of the day sleeping |
| 04:40:59 | Hellaenergy | Does anyone have a laugh box app for the z? |
| 04:41:05 | whardier | laugh box? |
| 04:41:13 | Hellaenergy | ahhahahhahahhaahhahahahahahhahahahahahhahahhahhahahah\ |
| 04:41:38 | whardier | oh yeah? |
| 04:41:49 | Hellaenergy | jk |
| 04:42:07 | Hellaenergy | Anyone bumpin the z yet? |
| 04:42:22 | whardier | like.. with private parts? |
| 04:42:37 | rospahr | I love my Z :-D |
| 04:42:44 | rospahr | and it loves me back |
| 04:42:46 | Hellaenergy | your sick (not new) |
| 04:42:47 | whardier | haha |
| 04:43:17 | Hellaenergy | gptta have fun! |
| 04:43:40 | Hellaenergy | No one on this list ever speaks of java, what up? |
| 04:44:09 | Hellaenergy | That was the zzzzz..... apeal for alot of people I thought |
| 04:44:48 | Hellaenergy | Oh wait we didn't have a rom that supported the non open source jvm thats right |
| 04:45:02 | Hellaenergy | aight then :) |
| 04:45:06 | whardier | http://www.akbushcompany.com/ |
| 04:45:11 | whardier | I was there last night |
| 04:45:18 | Hellaenergy | I'm there |
| 04:45:27 | tux_mike | Hellaenergy: i'm working on getting kaffe working for the Z. |
| 04:45:58 | Hellaenergy | tux_mike: That is because your a good brother/sister; dono |
| 04:46:23 | tux_mike | i'd like java on my Z, and i'd like to use OZ... |
| 04:46:33 | tux_mike | bigest problem is connecting java to QPE |
| 04:46:37 | whardier | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=alaska+bush+company&btnG=Google+Search |
| 04:46:38 | Hellaenergy | OZ is what I shall support as well |
| 04:46:40 | whardier | last on the list |
| 04:46:46 | whardier | George W. Bush |
| 04:46:48 | Hellaenergy | Open Source |
| 04:47:01 | Hellaenergy | Not HOLD Source/ROM |
| 04:47:50 | Hellaenergy | wherver wrote the jave port scanner, thank you! |
| 04:48:29 | Hellaenergy | whardier: What ya talkin about? |
| 04:48:52 | Hellaenergy | :) |
| 04:49:14 | tux_mike | Hellaenergy: what I may be left doing is just find all the components for jeode, and extract them with a script. |
| 04:49:43 | Hellaenergy | tux_mike: Has kaffe been contacted about this effort? |
| 04:49:58 | Hellaenergy | I think they would be flattered |
| 04:50:06 | Hellaenergy | and supported |
| 04:50:09 | Hellaenergy | ive |
| 04:50:22 | Hellaenergy | If they are still alive? |
| 04:50:22 | whardier | lalala |
| 04:50:25 | tux_mike | no, i just started oh, 5 hours ago |
| 04:50:29 | whardier | throwsNetBSD on thisQube |
| 04:50:53 | Hellaenergy | You where talking about this along time ago I thought? |
| 04:51:31 | Hellaenergy | anyone seen oscano yet? |
| 04:51:39 | tux_mike | i mentioned it, never got off my lazy ass and done it :) |
| 04:51:55 | Hellaenergy | I understand totally |
| 04:52:25 | Hellaenergy | There quiet a few people sitting on their asses including me :) |
| 04:52:38 | Hellaenergy | Look at the list |
| 04:56:54 | Hellaenergy | Lets make a z multimeter :) |
| 04:57:11 | Hellaenergy | BOOMB |
| 04:57:22 | Hellaenergy | A |
| 04:57:22 | whardier | you can get an oscope workin |
| 04:57:32 | Hellaenergy | have you? |
| 04:57:36 | whardier | newp |
| 04:57:44 | whardier | but you can |
| 04:57:47 | Hellaenergy | That would be crucial |
| 04:58:00 | whardier | crucial |
| 04:58:02 | whardier | heh |
| 04:58:04 | Hellaenergy | The ultimate techie PDA |
| 04:58:14 | Hellaenergy | yewp |
| 04:58:25 | whardier | I just need to make a CF backpack |
| 04:58:30 | whardier | with a wire tester |
| 04:58:33 | whardier | line analyzer |
| 04:58:36 | whardier | and analog scopes |
| 04:58:42 | tux_mike | hrm... i'd like to get a cf ammeter |
| 04:59:00 | whardier | not enough ground |
| 04:59:11 | Hellaenergy | Thats what I would think |
| 04:59:28 | Hellaenergy | My shit is too valuable to expose to that :) |
| 05:00:02 | Hellaenergy | But if we had a safty pack maybe |
| 05:00:34 | Hellaenergy | You could ground throug the audio port |
| 05:03:04 | Grumpy7 | is back (gone 00:44:15) |
| 05:03:27 | Grumpy7 | Next thing you'll want is the BeBox Geek Port on the Z...;^) |
| 05:03:57 | whardier | haha |
| 05:03:58 | whardier | beat |
| 05:04:00 | whardier | err |
| 05:04:01 | whardier | neat |
| 05:04:32 | Hellaenergy | Has anyone printed through the z yet? |
| 05:04:45 | alonzo | 3not here |
| 05:05:08 | Hellaenergy | Another crucial thing :) |
| 05:05:15 | Grumpy7 | Hmm, is there an lpr on the thing? |
| 05:05:21 | Hellaenergy | nope |
| 05:05:29 | tux_mike | no. i'm planning on making a pcl library for my apps |
| 05:05:34 | Grumpy7 | Then it would be a little more difficult... |
| 05:05:43 | whardier | gs would have to be microsized |
| 05:05:50 | whardier | I wanna print "to" the Z |
| 05:05:51 | whardier | heh |
| 05:05:51 | tux_mike | Grumpy7: problem is current lprs need ghostscript and that's huge |
| 05:06:01 | tux_mike | i wanna print out a Z |
| 05:06:06 | Hellaenergy | true |
| 05:06:07 | whardier | I wanna do both |
| 05:06:08 | whardier | heh |
| 05:06:17 | rospahr | could print remotely through ssh |
| 05:06:22 | Hellaenergy | A least print from |
| 05:06:23 | Grumpy7 | Why does it need to be resident? I'm thinking of using lpr to connect to a remote lpd, and do the conversion there. |
| 05:06:35 | Hellaenergy | There you go |
| 05:06:51 | Hellaenergy | Call it and have it serve you |
| 05:06:58 | Hellaenergy | thats all |
| 05:07:05 | Grumpy7 | Now, if you're talking hooking a printer TO the Z, that's a different story. |
| 05:07:28 | Hellaenergy | z to the network and pumping out your manuals :) |
| 05:07:38 | Hellaenergy | There you go.... |
| 05:08:03 | tux_mike | Grumpy7: i'm thinking to do what WinCE does, and have support to print to PCL |
| 05:08:17 | Hellaenergy | Pleas what is PCL? |
| 05:08:22 | tux_mike | that way 90% of printers are supported |
| 05:08:36 | tux_mike | hp printer control language. most printers use it |
| 05:08:51 | Hellaenergy | damb I hate hp |
| 05:09:01 | whardier | hah |
| 05:09:03 | Grumpy7 | Yeah, but there's still the physical interface, the spooling, etc. |
| 05:09:03 | tux_mike | it's the defacto standard |
| 05:09:12 | whardier | I want a PDF viewer |
| 05:09:28 | Hellaenergy | What happend to the e-book effort? |
| 05:09:30 | whardier | so I can print to a custom LPR script that xfers the resulting PDF file to my Z |
| 05:09:35 | tux_mike | simple spooling to IR, or LPD wont be much of a problem |
| 05:09:40 | whardier | Hellaenergy there are a few apps coming along |
| 05:09:49 | Hellaenergy | nice |
| 05:09:53 | whardier | so far the help broser should be able to serve the purpose |
| 05:10:00 | whardier | crazy eh |
| 05:10:28 | Hellaenergy | We need to send print requests definatly though |
| 05:10:32 | Grumpy7 | tux_mike: yeah, you could spool out the PCL, I guess. But if you're doing PCL, it's not much of a jump to spew PS... |
| 05:10:34 | Hellaenergy | Anyone else agree? |
| 05:10:52 | Hellaenergy | enough said :) |
| 05:10:57 | whardier | I agree that a mini GS would be usefull |
| 05:10:58 | tux_mike | Grumpy7: then it has to be converted, because most printers don't support PS |
| 05:11:07 | Grumpy7 | Mine does. ;^) |
| 05:11:13 | whardier | tux_mike an interperater on your doze/linux machine |
| 05:11:15 | Grumpy7 | Yeah, I know... |
| 05:11:19 | whardier | linux can do it :) |
| 05:11:26 | whardier | doze prolly has an LPR |
| 05:11:35 | whardier | just find the free way for both |
| 05:11:40 | Hellaenergy | PS support would be finonminal |
| 05:11:43 | tux_mike | whardier: i would like to be able to go to a forigen network or printer (via ir) and just print |
| 05:12:01 | Hellaenergy | Thats what I'm talkin about |
| 05:12:02 | whardier | well you are gonna be on their network anyways. |
| 05:12:03 | Grumpy7 | Understood. |
| 05:12:09 | whardier | so might as well use LPR |
| 05:12:22 | whardier | most printers of any commercial use with NIC's in them support it |
| 05:12:32 | Grumpy7 | Or, worse case, smb... |
| 05:12:33 | whardier | all Xerox Docucenter/Tektronics printers |
| 05:12:35 | tux_mike | whardier: for printing through ir, that's direct to the printer, cant use a server then |
| 05:12:59 | Grumpy7 | tux_mike: point taken. |
| 05:13:00 | whardier | do you own an IR printer that speaks anything other than PCL/PS? |
| 05:13:01 | tux_mike | i want everythign to be handled by the Z. |
| 05:13:16 | Hellaenergy | It could |
| 05:13:22 | whardier | all HP printers and epson printers speak PCL |
| 05:13:30 | tux_mike | whardier: no. it's unlikely it wouldnt understand pcl |
| 05:13:44 | tux_mike | it's just easiest to make the library speak in pcl |
| 05:13:56 | Hellaenergy | Its a start at least :) |
| 05:14:03 | whardier | its harder to make konq/e QPE actually print |
| 05:14:21 | whardier | joo know what I means! |
| 05:14:22 | Hellaenergy | ahhhhh |
| 05:14:35 | whardier | we could all storePS/PCL files on the Z |
| 05:14:36 | whardier | and print them |
| 05:14:37 | tux_mike | i'm not worried about konq/e, i'm worring about my apps :) |
| 05:14:42 | whardier | the generation is the hard part |
| 05:14:51 | Grumpy7 | Hmm, I'm just thinking that I've never felt the urge to print anything from my Palm... |
| 05:14:55 | whardier | porting lprng + gs would be a huge benifit |
| 05:15:01 | whardier | however useless onless QPE can use it |
| 05:15:06 | Hellaenergy | Forget you Grumpy :( |
| 05:15:11 | Hellaenergy | jk |
| 05:15:13 | tux_mike | whardier: byebye space |
| 05:15:17 | Grumpy7 | lol |
| 05:15:19 | whardier | tux_mike true that |
| 05:15:43 | whardier | we only have 2.5 megs of freespace ATM on the OZ rom.. prolly more now however :) |
| 05:15:45 | zero1 | bye all - i know you'll miss me |
| 05:15:46 | Grumpy7 | Which is why you offload to the host, whatever that may be |
| 05:15:53 | Grumpy7 | later zero1 |
| 05:16:05 | Hellaenergy | I can see going to a site and printing manuals on the spot and not having to use anything but the z |
| 05:16:11 | tux_mike | whardier: i made a build of kaffe for arm... you care to test on oz? |
| 05:16:20 | Hellaenergy | and a network |
| 05:16:23 | whardier | Grumpy7 if you wanna make a remote print interperator .. go right ahead |
| 05:16:32 | whardier | but the IR seems quite valuable |
| 05:16:38 | whardier | howeve.r. I have yet to see an IR printer in colorado |
| 05:16:45 | Hellaenergy | IR? |
| 05:16:49 | tux_mike | IR |
| 05:16:50 | whardier | InfraRed |
| 05:16:54 | Grumpy7 | If the Z speaks the remote lpr protocol, it's just printcap config on the host. |
| 05:16:55 | Hellaenergy | Printer? |
| 05:17:07 | Hellaenergy | damb |
| 05:17:12 | roge99 | Hellaenergy: yo |
| 05:17:13 | whardier | Grumpy7 you still need to arrange the changes in the QPE code |
| 05:17:14 | tux_mike | parallel emulation over IR |
| 05:17:19 | Hellaenergy | roge99: hey |
| 05:17:20 | Grumpy7 | The IR thing is the other case - there you need the smarts on the Z |
| 05:17:23 | roge99 | sorry |
| 05:17:28 | roge99 | you ready |
| 05:17:35 | whardier | hehe |
| 05:17:43 | tux_mike | that's why i say just dealing in pcl is best |
| 05:17:43 | whardier | I would like to offload the smarts to like qtopiadesktop |
| 05:17:45 | whardier | you know |
| 05:17:50 | whardier | but that is inconvenient |
| 05:17:59 | whardier | making the Z print would be weird |
| 05:18:10 | Grumpy7 | yeah, same deal, different implementation |
| 05:18:57 | whardier | I wanna see RollerBall |
| 05:19:13 | tux_mike | whardier: the address for kaffe is www.tuxnami.org/~mike/sl-5000 |
| 05:20:10 | Hellaenergy | whardier: we need to not depend on qtdesktop |
| 05:20:24 | Hellaenergy | the z is the one and all |
| 05:20:44 | whardier | in less than a meg.. you need to implement a postcript processor that can uselprng either locallyto print to remote.. or entirely remote |
| 05:21:07 | tux_mike | whardier: i don't think that'd happen for PS |
| 05:21:08 | whardier | and make QPE understand postscript output |
| 05:21:15 | Hellaenergy | well if you do it now then it will be ready for the nest gen |
| 05:21:22 | whardier | the QPE talking to anything part is the most important thing of all |
| 05:21:30 | whardier | and thatis gonna be one unsightly hack |
| 05:21:32 | Hellaenergy | is that enough? |
| 05:21:35 | Grumpy7 | tux_mike: how big do you think the pcl lib would be? |
| 05:21:44 | Hellaenergy | Just think about it :) |
| 05:21:48 | whardier | Opie could do it.. but our work would never beforked into QPE |
| 05:21:56 | tux_mike | full PCL... i'd think about a meg... |
| 05:21:57 | whardier | ever ever ever |
| 05:22:10 | whardier | they would not see the point because of the requirement |
| 05:22:11 | Grumpy7 | Hmmm... |
| 05:22:32 | whardier | if there is a liblpr library or something. then it will most likely be a possibility |
| 05:22:45 | Grumpy7 | Ok, fallback time. What is the minimum we need to get ascii to a printer? |
| 05:22:51 | whardier | cat |
| 05:22:54 | tux_mike | cat |
| 05:22:59 | whardier | and lpr if you wanna go remote |
| 05:23:03 | tux_mike | yah |
| 05:23:07 | IPmonger | is away: I'm busy |
| 05:23:08 | Grumpy7 | Right, I'm thinking remote yet. |
| 05:23:20 | tux_mike | basic lpr framework |
| 05:23:31 | whardier | well.. |
| 05:23:34 | Grumpy7 | RIght. |
| 05:23:36 | whardier | we would not need the printcaps |
| 05:23:53 | whardier | if we are just passing ascii/ps |
| 05:23:56 | Grumpy7 | Printcap would only be there to tell it what remote to connect to. |
| 05:24:06 | Grumpy7 | Just think ascii right now. |
| 05:24:42 | Grumpy7 | Have to go look, but I can't imagine an lpr framework to be _that_ huge. |
| 05:25:08 | tux_mike | most existing lpr implementations are well over a meg |
| 05:25:09 | whardier | http://freshmeat.net/projects/gnulpr/ |
| 05:25:25 | whardier | thats not |
| 05:25:42 | whardier | remove gui and target only remote printing.. and it should be itsy |
| 05:25:51 | whardier | however we needa postscriptprocessor |
| 05:25:52 | whardier | GS |
| 05:25:59 | whardier | ghostscript.. sorry |
| 05:25:59 | whardier | heh |
| 05:26:25 | tux_mike | well, this just spools any type of file for a printer to be printed? |
| 05:26:33 | MSpin | even remote PS printing would be great |
| 05:26:52 | whardier | well |
| 05:26:52 | whardier | lpr |
| 05:26:55 | whardier | will di ascii/ps |
| 05:27:46 | tux_mike | couldn't if someone had a PS printer, or a non-PCL printer, have them setup a PCL->whatever filter with ghostscript? |
| 05:27:46 | whardier | like Grumpy7 is pointint out..all we need for asci |
| 05:27:46 | whardier | is cat |
| 05:27:46 | whardier | all we needforascii +remoteis cat andlpr |
| 05:27:47 | whardier | tux_mike the printcapshould takecareofthat |
| 05:28:10 | MSpin | I jsut want to avoide scp followed by ssh followed by running lpr on another host |
| 05:28:14 | Grumpy7 | On my intel box here, lpr is 20k, lpd is 53k |
| 05:28:15 | Grumpy7 | Then again, there are libs, and I"m not looking at that... |
| 05:28:17 | Grumpy7 | actually, no, those 2 only rely on libc. |
| 05:28:21 | Grumpy7 | tux_mike: what do we need at a minimum? That's everything... |
| 05:28:25 | Grumpy7 | Anyway, I'm just trying the thought exercise. |
| 05:28:39 | tux_mike | my resoning is PS isn't that common. i'd rather have no actual translation go on in the Z, just the generation of a native language print file for a pcl printer. |
| 05:28:55 | whardier | I want a PS viewer |
| 05:28:58 | whardier | soI can print to myZ |
| 05:29:04 | whardier | that would make me more than happy |
| 05:29:19 | tux_mike | whardier: you could convert the PS to PCL first :) |
| 05:29:29 | whardier | yeah |
| 05:29:37 | whardier | I could do a lot from thehost mahine |
| 05:29:41 | Grumpy7 | whardier: I think you froze your brain in ak. ;^) |
| 05:30:17 | Grumpy7 | The host is the power here. That's what the palm has always been about - use the host for what it's good for. |
| 05:30:24 | tux_mike | blah... i'm gonig to bed. i have a test tomrrow and i need my sleep... g'nite everyone |
| 05:30:30 | whardier | night tux |
| 05:30:31 | Grumpy7 | g'nite. |
| 05:31:38 | Grumpy7 | I'm thinking in those terms, too. I need to finish fleshing out a design for auditing a Solaris system to see what's changed from what we loaded. |
| 05:31:57 | Grumpy7 | Kinda mindless, but there are a couple challenges for when we upgrade our apps... |
| 05:32:18 | whardier | Grumpy7 I started with ubersync a long time ago.. never finished.. but it was to make syncing take over the host machine |
| 05:32:21 | whardier | instead of the other way around |
| 05:32:30 | whardier | the Z is fast enoughto do everything |
| 05:32:32 | whardier | there is only one problem |
| 05:32:35 | whardier | which is storage space |
| 05:32:36 | Grumpy7 | Memory. |
| 05:32:46 | whardier | thats the ONLY issue I can see |
| 05:32:55 | Grumpy7 | Yeah, and it's pretty fatal... |
| 05:33:33 | whardier | my little cat got huskier |
| 05:33:42 | whardier | she is filling out a bit.. she used to be REALLY Skinny |
| 05:33:50 | whardier | how she can plop on down with the best of em |
| 05:33:54 | Grumpy7 | Uh oh. What was she eating while you were gone? |
| 05:34:18 | Grumpy7 | I'm having to share my chair with mine at the moment. She takes up most of it... |
| 05:34:42 | whardier | Grumpy7 I switched her food a month beforeI left (cause I have two obese cats) to a more nutritious blend |
| 05:34:47 | whardier | and it is helping all the kitties |
| 05:35:10 | Grumpy7 | Mine gets weight-control. Keeps her at a solid 22 lbs... |
| 05:37:14 | Grumpy7 | I guess I'm going to devote some spare cycles to the lpr thing, and see what I can scrape up in my spare time tomorrow. Might have some ideas tomorrow night. |
| 05:37:33 | Grumpy7 | TTYL. |
| 05:42:05 | Hellaenergy | damb server dumps |
| 06:07:44 | TrekCycling | holy crap |
| 06:07:46 | TrekCycling | lots of people |
| 06:08:13 | TrekCycling | anyone here? |
| 06:08:22 | sjohnson | No. Now go away. |
| 06:08:28 | sjohnson | :) |
| 06:08:40 | TrekCycling | :-) |
| 06:08:49 | TrekCycling | I'm having a problem with the 1.11 beta rom, wondering if anyone else is having the same problem. |
| 06:08:57 | sjohnson | ?? |
| 06:08:59 | TrekCycling | thought I'd ask before rolling back to 1.02 |
| 06:09:38 | sjohnson | What? |
| 06:09:42 | TrekCycling | The problem is that I keep getting an errors that says "Out of space There was a problem creating Configuration Information for this program" |
| 06:09:46 | TrekCycling | etc.. |
| 06:10:24 | sjohnson | Isn't the 1.11 ROM the 16/16 memory split? |
| 06:10:54 | TrekCycling | not sure |
| 06:10:56 | TrekCycling | how would I tell? |
| 06:10:59 | roge99 | no 1.10 is |
| 06:11:10 | roge99 | 1.11 is 26/5 |
| 06:11:45 | TrekCycling | so is everyone on 1.11 dealing with this problem or what can I do to fix it? |
| 06:12:05 | sjohnson | I haven't has the problem. |
| 06:12:07 | roge99 | insatll your apps in sd or cf |
| 06:12:34 | TrekCycling | I'm fine with that. Problem is I can't function in the OS, period. |
| 06:12:52 | TrekCycling | Every time I try to do anything I get that popup error with a dialog |
| 06:13:29 | roge99 | did you do a full reset after flashing |
| 06:13:35 | TrekCycling | yeah |
| 06:14:09 | roge99 | hmm do you have any free space ? |
| 06:14:29 | TrekCycling | by checking under where? System Info? |
| 06:15:17 | roge99 | df -k in a term |
| 06:15:32 | Fastolfe | damn |
| 06:15:55 | roge99 | Fastolfe: whats up |
| 06:16:05 | TrekCycling | okay |
| 06:16:12 | Fastolfe | sorry |
| 06:16:13 | TrekCycling | I can't see really what's free |
| 06:16:17 | TrekCycling | Not sure how to read that. |
| 06:16:25 | Fastolfe | just some failed iPAQ programming :) |
| 06:16:45 | Fastolfe | BZFlag: you here ? |
| 06:16:56 | TrekCycling | I just did a hard reset, though, and it stopped giving me that error. Only difference being that I didn't put in my personal information on setup. |
| 06:16:57 | TrekCycling | Weird |
| 06:17:04 | | bzflag was last seen on #tuxscreen 5 hours, 8 minutes and 5 seconds ago, saying: better to just map it all to jffs2 and have the kernel modular so folks can just delete the modules they don't need. [Fri Feb 8 01:08:59 2002] |
| 06:17:04 | Fastolfe | ibot seen bzflag |
| 06:17:23 | | BZFlag was last seen on #tuxscreen 5 hours, 8 minutes and 24 seconds ago, saying: better to just map it all to jffs2 and have the kernel modular so folks can just delete the modules they don't need. [Fri Feb 8 01:08:59 2002] |
| 06:17:23 | Fastolfe | ibot seen BZFlag |
| 06:17:26 | Fastolfe | gee |
| 06:18:32 | TrekCycling | does the lack of space mean that it won't be possible to store much in the way of contact information, etc? |
| 06:19:30 | roge99 | yep |
| 06:19:53 | TrekCycling | bummer |
| 06:23:58 | Fastolfe | does anybody know if the Zaurus has a coprocessor of some kind ? like maybe something to do FFTs, or bitblt, or something like that ? |
| 06:24:08 | Fastolfe | I doubt it but just in case I'm wrong |
| 06:26:05 | whardier | 316M -rw------- 1 shane shane 315M Jan 9 18:12 .xsession-errors |
| 06:26:07 | whardier | haha |
| 06:26:35 | NeoTron | it doesn't have an FPU at least |
| 06:27:29 | Fastolfe | NeoTron: I'm trying to see if there is any kind of processing power outside the CPU that could handle the task of looking at changes in the framebuffer, to make the VNC server even faster |
| 06:28:30 | sjohnson | Fastolfe: Use X. ;> |
| 06:28:52 | Fastolfe | sjohnson: naaww, everybody knows X sucks major ass :) |
| 06:29:30 | sjohnson | :-P |
| 06:29:48 | Fastolfe | sjohnson: actually that's what the Familiar people do, they run the Xvnc server, the fbvnc client to view it in full screen locally, and then they can connect to the Xvnc server from outside |
| 06:30:03 | Fastolfe | but us Zaurus users have to use Craptopia |
| 06:30:24 | sjohnson | I know. I got to use it. I 've got a Z, also |
| 06:30:45 | Fastolfe | cool bananas man, you've got all the toys |
| 06:31:03 | sjohnson | No. Ain't got a Yopy yet. :) |
| 06:31:11 | Fastolfe | aah, we've got that here :) |
| 06:31:20 | Fastolfe | :-P nah nah nah nah ;-P |
| 06:31:33 | sjohnson | Phhffff! |
| 06:31:49 | Fastolfe | thinks sjohnson is very jealous |
| 06:32:46 | Fastolfe | Lady Nicotine wants my attention, brb |
| 06:35:04 | TrekCycling | since it's pretty much impossible to get Ethernet over USB working with the 1.11 ROM image, does anyone know how else one would access their Zaurus to transfer files? |
| 06:35:17 | TrekCycling | I have a wireless card, but I'm not sure how I'd get into the Zaurus |
| 06:35:20 | roge99 | cf reader on the pc |
| 06:35:29 | roge99 | wireless works |
| 06:36:21 | roge99 | later all |
| 06:36:24 | roge99 | off to bed |
| 06:57:49 | BZFlag | Fastolfe: looking for me? |
| 07:45:43 | Fastolfe | BZFlag: you still here ? |
| 07:45:44 | Fastolfe | :) |
| 07:47:32 | Fastolfe | BZFlag: I just wanted to know if you happened to have an iPAQ running Familiar that I could borrow to port fbvncserver to it |
| 08:06:01 | NeoTron | whee! |
| 08:07:02 | NeoTron | It actually works for lookups. :-) http://david.hedbor.org/tmp/edict02.png |
| 08:20:40 | scanline | is back (gone 03:40:37) |
| 08:30:39 | BZFlag | Fastolfe: I'll get you one tomorrow. |
| 08:31:07 | Fastolfe | thanks man |
| 08:52:08 | scribe | anyone know how to get qtopia qt qtextview to display unicode? |
| 08:53:43 | scribe | I've set utf8 text in correctly. I see squares where greek letters should be. |
| 08:59:56 | scribe | NeoTron: That's cool. Is that local, or do you have to be connected to do lookups? |
| 09:00:59 | scribe | hey kappa |
| 09:01:07 | scribe | you ever use unicode with qt? |
| 09:02:18 | kappa | hey scribe...unicode with qt? actually no |
| 09:02:33 | scribe | bummer. thanks anyway. |
| 13:22:55 | ljp | hehehe someone found a 'fix' to the CDCEthernet rpoblem of the latest rom's |
| 13:37:14 | xxL | is downloading it now |
| 13:37:37 | xxL | I hope it's not a worm or something :) |
| 13:37:59 | ljp | I'm just going to mount the 1.02 rom on my desktop, and grab the module |
| 13:39:29 | xxL | nah, I'm too lazy to do the image myself ;]. plus, the idea of doing my own rom (prone to bugs) is kinda freaking me out... |
| 13:40:44 | ljp | oh. I'm not going to make a rom, just mount the old one, trnsfer the module to the Z :) I have a script to mount the romimage. |
| 13:42:22 | xxL | and how are you going to overwrite the old module ? |
| 13:42:37 | xxL | or just use the full path when loading it ? |
| 13:47:48 | bipolar | is back (gone 16:22:24) |
| 13:51:29 | ljp | funny.. the old module's size was 0 |
| 13:51:59 | ljp | ahh maybe it was a symlink |
| 13:52:59 | xxL | OZ 2.6 uses a symlink for it |
| 13:53:23 | xxL | I guess the same goes for 1.11, which means it should be piece of cake :) |
| 13:54:18 | xxL | time to mkdosfs my CF card... :) |
| 14:04:24 | ljp | YAHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 heheheh |
| 14:04:34 | xxL | ?? |
| 14:04:45 | ljp | it worked. |
| 14:05:00 | ljp | I haven't been connected to the Z on my linux box for a LONG time |
| 14:05:00 | xxL | is just about to flash 1.11... |
| 14:06:40 | xxL | flashing... |
| 14:07:01 | ljp | hehehehe lalalalalaa... |
| 14:12:25 | ljp | hmm qtopiadesktop self desctructed |
| 14:13:08 | ljp | and deleted everything in $PALMTOPCENTERDIR/bin |
| 14:13:15 | ljp | hehehe how stupid |
| 14:13:19 | gillus | hi every one |
| 14:13:35 | ljp | hiya |
| 14:13:52 | gillus | I am trying to prt the ssex editor to qpe. |
| 14:14:08 | gillus | It's a very nice editor. |
| 14:14:39 | gillus | is searching the url |
| 14:15:44 | gillus | yes http://kvirc.firenze.linux.it/~pragma/ssex/ |
| 14:16:23 | Dr_Who | any arm asm experts about? |
| 14:16:54 | gillus | no |
| 14:17:07 | Dr_Who | ok ... how about amateurs then? 8-) |
| 14:17:14 | ljp | Fastolfe knows asm.. but he's not here |
| 14:17:39 | Dr_Who | yeah I seem to be good at missing him .... 8-) ... |
| 14:18:15 | ljp | he's alet nighter, usually |
| 14:18:19 | ljp | late |
| 14:18:34 | gillus | Does someone here knows QT ? |
| 14:18:38 | ljp | I do |
| 14:19:23 | gillus | So you can help me, I think it's my last problem before getting it to work. |
| 14:20:02 | gillus | There's a QPainter * variable. |
| 14:20:28 | gillus | and method callMatrix() is called on it. |
| 14:20:54 | gillus | unfortunatelly worldMatrix is missing from QTEmbedded. |
| 14:20:58 | xxL | yup |
| 14:21:21 | gillus | I would like to replace it, but I don't know how. |
| 14:22:05 | xxL | what is the matrix used for, in your case ? rotation, scaling, or what ? |
| 14:22:18 | gillus | the code is p->worldMatrix().map(0,0,&col_xPos, &row_yPos) |
| 14:22:36 | gillus | so I think it''s a simple translation isn't it |
| 14:23:40 | xxL | nope, it depends on how the worldMatrix was setup |
| 14:23:47 | xxL | prior to reaching this code |
| 14:24:36 | gillus | ok, the is not set with setMatrix(). Is ther any other mean to set it ? |
| 14:24:40 | xxL | the map(...) call translates the "absolute" coordinates (first 2 params) into "world" coordinates (the latter 2) |
| 14:25:12 | gillus | ok, I get it. |
| 14:25:20 | xxL | yup, check for other worldMatrix() calls in the code |
| 14:26:01 | xxL | esp. translate(), scale(), shear(), rotate() and invert() |
| 14:26:25 | gillus | Yes there are other, always in called just before bitBlt |
| 14:26:35 | xxL | yay |
| 14:26:47 | xxL | and you want to port that to the Z ? :) |
| 14:27:48 | gillus | why not ? |
| 14:29:06 | xxL | what exactly are you trying to port ? |
| 14:29:24 | gillus | Only the editor part, as it is self contained. |
| 14:29:38 | gillus | it's quite easy I think. |
| 14:29:57 | xxL | doesn't understand why a editor would use matrix transforms... |
| 14:30:14 | gillus | yes, it's crazy ! |
| 14:30:39 | gillus | I think that the text is rendered line by line. |
| 14:31:01 | xxL | I'm sure it is. still, one doesn't need matrices to do that |
| 14:32:10 | xxL | ok, you've gotta figure out what kind of transfroms are performed and emulate them |
| 14:32:11 | gillus | a matrix is usefull for scaling and rotating, i am wrong ? |
| 14:32:39 | xxL | if it's only scaling and translating you're lucky |
| 14:33:10 | ljp | I think I tried that editor.. but there was no way to customize the background color.. |
| 14:33:47 | xxL | ljp: black is a good background color IMO, that's what I use in Kate |
| 14:34:20 | ljp | or maybe it was kate.. or one of them.. |
| 14:34:39 | xxL | no, kate comes with white by default |
| 14:34:42 | gillus | ok, I get the idea, I trace the execution under QT, with the matrix enable. Look how the transformation are performed, and find the equivalent calculus. |
| 14:34:48 | ljp | ahh.. then it wast ssex |
| 14:34:56 | jperlow-sharp | damn, do you guys know what our sourceforge ranking is? |
| 14:34:59 | jperlow-sharp | we are in the top 100 |
| 14:35:05 | jperlow-sharp | #97 |
| 14:35:29 | xxL | gillus: you don't have to "trace" the execution, just look at the code |
| 14:36:00 | xxL | I'm sure the kind of transformations is obvious once you find the right code to look at |
| 14:37:06 | gillus | xxL: problem is that there are no specific operation on QMatrix. |
| 14:37:55 | ljp | jperlow: did you see the post of the CDCEthernet fix? |
| 14:38:01 | jperlow-sharp | yeah |
| 14:38:18 | jperlow-sharp | what does that do, replace the usb driver on the z? |
| 14:38:37 | ljp | yep |
| 14:38:40 | jperlow-sharp | I'd rather we use the new one |
| 14:38:50 | ljp | and it works |
| 14:38:52 | jperlow-sharp | but, for the time being, I guess you guys have no choice |
| 14:38:54 | ljp | the new one does not work on linux |
| 14:39:33 | ljp | I didn't use his rom, just replaced the module |
| 14:40:00 | xxL | same here, replaced the module and it seems to be working |
| 14:40:47 | ljp | :D |
| 14:40:47 | ljp | except qtopiadesktop self desctructed.. |
| 15:04:03 | jperlow-sharp | is isntalling his new dev server at sharp |
| 15:04:09 | jperlow-sharp | gotta love redhat |
| 15:10:24 | jperlow-sharp | rgh |
| 15:11:45 | jperlow-sharp | anyone alive |
| 15:11:54 | gillus | xxL: still here ? |
| 15:12:46 | gillus | xxL: Anyway thank you very much for the tips, it works good ! |
| 15:13:31 | gillus | xxL: I've tracked a translate() operation which I had not found. |
| 15:16:50 | gillus | see http://www.lri.fr/~fedak/snapshot.png |
| 15:17:39 | IPmonger | is back (gone 09:54:29) |
| 15:20:33 | kergoth`work | mornin |
| 15:21:30 | xxL | gillus: sorry, I was busy hacking my Z |
| 15:21:56 | gillus | You're lucky, I don't have one ! |
| 15:22:14 | gillus | xxL: thanks again. |
| 15:22:17 | xxL | gillus: a translate() is trivial to "emulate" |
| 15:22:27 | xxL | no prob, man, you're welcome |
| 15:22:36 | xxL | well, I got mine for free... :) |
| 15:22:54 | gillus | xxL: Gasp how did you do ? |
| 15:23:28 | xxL | being the right guy in the right place *g* :) |
| 15:24:13 | gillus | I got an Ipaq, but I expect a lot from the contest :-) |
| 15:24:41 | xxL | expects a lot from the contest too |
| 15:31:49 | roge99 | mornin all |
| 15:32:13 | kergoth`work | mornin roger |
| 15:32:16 | kergoth`work | how goes it? |
| 15:32:22 | roge99 | not too bad |
| 15:32:30 | roge99 | its friday |
| 15:32:36 | kergoth`work | yup |
| 15:32:39 | bipolar | hi roge99 |
| 15:32:45 | roge99 | hey bipolar |
| 15:34:34 | CosmicPenguin | is back (gone 14:00:02) |
| 15:34:42 | peanut | anyone having mem problems with 1.11? |
| 15:34:55 | kergoth`work | mornin peanut |
| 15:34:59 | peanut | hey kergoth |
| 15:35:12 | peanut | notices that if i run media player and anything else, i get low mem errors |
| 15:35:33 | roge99 | hey peanut -- mine seems to be ok |
| 15:35:36 | peanut | thinks it has to do with addrbook/todo/calendar running in the background.. |
| 15:35:45 | peanut | what expansion cards do you have? |
| 15:35:52 | peanut | has a cf and sd card in. |
| 15:36:00 | roge99 | sd cf and wlan |
| 15:36:21 | roge99 | so how many flames did you get ? |
| 15:36:51 | peanut | not too many.. |
| 15:36:57 | roge99 | thats good |
| 15:38:27 | peanut | anyway.. |
| 15:38:32 | peanut | something must be whacked.. |
| 15:38:46 | peanut | i can't run media player and the mine game without getting mem errors.. |
| 15:39:12 | roge99 | i really havent been beatn on mine |
| 15:39:21 | peanut | do you have jabber? |
| 15:39:26 | roge99 | i've been swamped |
| 15:39:28 | roge99 | yes |
| 15:39:31 | peanut | hrmm.. |
| 15:39:34 | roge99 | that runs good |
| 15:40:05 | roge99 | ( at least when the Kompanys jabber server is up ) |
| 15:40:05 | peanut | i start media player.. |
| 15:40:19 | peanut | i play my playlist. |
| 15:40:36 | peanut | i go back and start mine and i get the mem error. |
| 15:40:45 | peanut | there is a shortage of memory.. |
| 15:40:46 | peanut | hrmm.. |
| 15:40:49 | roge99 | ahh |
| 15:41:20 | peanut | i'm rebooting |
| 15:41:29 | peanut | maybe something was leaking mem real bad.. |
| 15:42:40 | peanut | ok.. |
| 15:43:07 | peanut | is better now.. |
| 15:43:10 | peanut | so then.. the question is.. |
| 15:43:14 | peanut | which app was responsible.. |
| 15:44:04 | peanut | thinks it was a kompany app.. |
| 15:44:09 | peanut | hey bigboss. |
| 15:44:09 | mandrake | so let's pretend a zaurus running the old rom dies. |
| 15:44:11 | mandrake | (locks up hard) |
| 15:44:20 | peanut | ok.. i'm imagining this.. |
| 15:44:20 | mandrake | how can I reset the thing without wiping the memory? |
| 15:44:27 | mandrake | anyone? |
| 15:44:37 | peanut | move the battery position |
| 15:44:43 | peanut | to replace battery, then back.. |
| 15:44:45 | peanut | thats a soft reset |
| 15:44:47 | mandrake | okay thanks |
| 15:46:08 | peanut | hrmm.. a pocketpc for 269.. |
| 15:46:13 | peanut | with 32mb ram |
| 15:46:18 | peanut | 16mb rom.. |
| 15:46:54 | zacs | hey mandrake |
| 15:49:36 | mandrake | good morning |
| 15:49:40 | mandrake | zacs: hey man |
| 15:49:43 | mandrake | peanut: thanks. |
| 15:50:59 | jperlow-sharp | wheres the best place to get the latest copy of KDE for Redhat? |
| 15:51:06 | jperlow-sharp | I dont think redhat's stuff is up to date |
| 15:51:49 | peanut | rhat's 7.2 kde update is pretty close.. |
| 15:52:01 | peanut | mandrake: its not often that i'm able to help you :) |
| 15:52:38 | kergoth`work | jperlow-sharp: can always check redhat's rawhide area on their ftp site. that usually has hte newest stuff |
| 15:52:39 | peanut | rhat 7.2 includes 2.2.2-2 |
| 15:52:47 | mandrake | trust me there are a lot of things I don't know. |
| 15:52:51 | peanut | hehehe |
| 15:52:58 | jperlow-sharp | peanut: know what disc it is on? |
| 15:53:06 | peanut | its not included by default with 7.2 |
| 15:53:10 | jperlow-sharp | or if there is an easy way to instll it with up2date |
| 15:53:18 | peanut | its on up2date |
| 15:53:31 | jperlow-sharp | is there a parameter I can use to install it |
| 15:53:40 | peanut | its not installing via up2date? |
| 15:53:43 | jperlow-sharp | cause it only installed gnome |
| 15:53:51 | jperlow-sharp | on my system when I installed it |
| 15:53:54 | peanut | ahh.. |
| 15:54:06 | jperlow-sharp | theres no way to invoke the gui installer post install is there |
| 15:54:09 | jperlow-sharp | anaconda? |
| 15:54:13 | peanut | you can download from updates.redhat.com |
| 15:54:16 | peanut | all of the kde files |
| 15:54:25 | peanut | then install them rpm -ivh |
| 15:54:33 | peanut | updates.redhat.com is pretty slow.. |
| 15:54:49 | peanut | if you have the disk (1) it would be faster to install kde from there and then run up2date |
| 15:54:53 | peanut | knows.. |
| 15:55:07 | peanut | updates.redhat.com is pathetic |
| 15:55:37 | jperlow-sharp | can you guys ping 172.29.25.10 |
| 15:55:54 | peanut | nope. |
| 15:56:28 | jperlow-sharp | yeah I think the sucker is firewalled |
| 15:56:41 | jperlow-sharp | I might need to set up ipsec or something to an external server or something |
| 15:58:12 | peanut | man.. |
| 15:58:23 | peanut | whats up with that war about subnets on zaurus-general |
| 15:58:30 | peanut | so much for people keeping it civil.. |
| 15:58:38 | peanut | renews roge's call for zaurus-crybabies |
| 15:59:10 | roge99 | its almost as bad as than the java no java flame war |
| 15:59:34 | roge99 | remember everyone bitchn about no java in OZ |
| 15:59:42 | peanut | yep.. |
| 15:59:51 | peanut | how about zaurus-crybaby and then zaurus-nobodycares |
| 16:00:03 | roge99 | we need to set that up |
| 16:00:06 | roge99 | jason |
| 16:00:23 | roge99 | we need a zaurus-crybaby mailing list |
| 16:00:51 | roge99 | set it up on the site :-) |
| 16:01:13 | roge99 | sup Hellaenergy |
| 16:01:19 | Hellaenergy | what up :) |
| 16:01:37 | kergoth`work | sup Hella |
| 16:01:39 | Hellaenergy | Another day another hollar |
| 16:01:50 | Hellaenergy | Hey Kergoth |
| 16:01:54 | Hellaenergy | Nice day huh |
| 16:02:08 | kergoth`work | yeah. utterly insane. listening to the birds chirping and shit on my way into work |
| 16:02:11 | peanut | oh shit.. |
| 16:02:16 | kergoth`work | supposedly gonna snow tomorrow tho |
| 16:02:19 | kergoth`work | peanut: ? |
| 16:02:20 | peanut | another post to zaurus-general with the link.. |
| 16:02:33 | kergoth`work | 'the link'? |
| 16:03:20 | peanut | of where to get the new roms.. |
| 16:03:27 | kergoth`work | ah |
| 16:03:45 | Hellaenergy | Why did sharp pull 1.10 rom the dev site? |
| 16:04:36 | peanut | they didn't |
| 16:04:56 | peanut | jason: are you guys going to release this stuff "officially" soon? |
| 16:05:24 | Hellaenergy | hm I just read an e-mail say they did never mind |
| 16:05:37 | jperlow-sharp | peanut: mitchy is working on it. |
| 16:05:58 | jperlow-sharp | the sync software and the linux sync issue is holding things up |
| 16:06:14 | peanut | did you see that someone has released a new rom that "fixes" cdcether |
| 16:06:40 | kergoth`work | peanut: hehe. they just swiped the working Z kernel module from 1.02. good workaround though. |
| 16:07:01 | peanut | i know.. |
| 16:07:45 | roge99 | do they have a license to release opra and such ? |
| 16:08:55 | Hellaenergy | license to ill |
| 16:11:26 | Hellaenergy | We need that blue screen of death screan saver for the z :) |
| 16:12:18 | Hellaenergy | Or a windows CE sucks banner |
| 16:13:20 | kergoth`work | I want xbill ported to qtopia damnit. :-) |
| 16:14:07 | xxL | now that should be easy to do... |
| 16:14:25 | jperlow-sharp | man I cant beleive zaurus.sf.net is ranked in the top 100 now on sourceforge |
| 16:15:00 | Hellaenergy | Alright! |
| 16:15:08 | kergoth`work | jperlow-sharp: yea thats nice |
| 16:15:14 | ljp_work | woohoo.. vnc on my linux laptop! :D |
| 16:15:25 | kergoth`work | xxL: yeah it should. i wouldnt waste time on it myself though. too many other projects. hehe |
| 16:15:50 | xxL | same here |
| 16:16:53 | BigBoss | xxl: I didn't know you were hanging out here now too :) |
| 16:17:17 | BigBoss | xxl is another one of our star developers :) |
| 16:17:44 | xxL | hey BB :) |
| 16:18:09 | xxL | oh yeah, just trolling around *g* |
| 16:18:15 | kergoth`work | ah, didnt realize. |
| 16:18:17 | kergoth`work | :-) |
| 16:18:27 | peanut | begins to port xbill |
| 16:18:46 | peanut | hrmm.. |
| 16:18:51 | peanut | wouldn't javaxbill run? |
| 16:18:57 | BigBoss | what is xbill? |
| 16:19:06 | peanut | you do not know xbill? |
| 16:19:13 | peanut | xbill.org |
| 16:19:23 | peanut | wait.. |
| 16:19:24 | xxL | BB: apt-get install it yourself... it's worth it :) |
| 16:19:27 | peanut | xbill is already ported |
| 16:19:36 | peanut | download the ipaq version |
| 16:19:40 | ljp_work | wow- that was fast.. :) |
| 16:19:45 | xxL | peanut: see, told you it should be easy to port :) |
| 16:19:52 | BigBoss | looks pretty funny |
| 16:19:54 | peanut | hehehe... |
| 16:19:57 | BigBoss | i don't play a lot of games |
| 16:20:07 | BigBoss | so apt-get install xbill will pull it? |
| 16:20:38 | kergoth`work | downloads the ipaq ver of xbill |
| 16:20:45 | xxL | bb: yup |
| 16:20:47 | BigBoss | those of you with tkcJabber that have been experiencing our jabber server crash... |
| 16:20:58 | BigBoss | we found the bug in the irc transport and we've got a guy working on it now |
| 16:21:13 | BigBoss | sadly the irc transport from jabber.org is not that great, it needs a lot of work, but we've fixed a few things so far |
| 16:21:33 | kergoth`work | BigBoss: glad to hear progress is being made |
| 16:35:56 | roge99 | is away: out n about |
| 16:40:29 | peanut | jason: any word from lineo? |
| 16:43:31 | mandrake | peanut: sure fastolfe is in here |
| 16:43:50 | mandrake | --- [Fastolfe|ImSoOutOfHere] (~me@gk2-ext.lineo.com) : Ask me ! |
| 16:44:09 | peanut | any word fastolfe? |
| 16:44:30 | peanut | mandrake: how long have you had your xterra |
| 16:44:32 | mandrake | he's idle 7+ hours though |
| 16:44:34 | jperlow-sharp | peanut they are working on precompiling a few kernels for various distros to work with the new usb driver on the z |
| 16:44:35 | whardier | yo |
| 16:44:44 | kergoth`work | sup whardier |
| 16:44:45 | peanut | precompiling??? |
| 16:44:49 | mandrake | peanut: dunno. I have had it at least a few months. |
| 16:44:55 | jperlow-sharp | yeah source too |
| 16:44:58 | peanut | argh.. |
| 16:45:03 | peanut | so not a module? |
| 16:45:05 | peanut | a kernel change? |
| 16:45:09 | whardier | I have amazing kities |
| 16:45:11 | peanut | does not like that.. |
| 16:45:15 | jperlow-sharp | well they will be up to date |
| 16:45:20 | mandrake | you should be able to just drop in CDCEther |
| 16:45:24 | mandrake | (the module) |
| 16:45:30 | peanut | if its still using cdcether |
| 16:45:38 | peanut | and if they haven't changed cdcether that much.. |
| 16:45:39 | jperlow-sharp | I suppose but arent modules version dependent |
| 16:45:42 | Mallory | Yeah, I don't think you should have to upgrade your whole kernel to get it working. |
| 16:45:50 | peanut | you might have to.. |
| 16:45:55 | mandrake | jperlow-sharp: you can modify the module to work with multiple kernels. |
| 16:46:02 | mandrake | jperlow-sharp: it's an option at compile time |
| 16:46:03 | peanut | doesn't usb at some point become non modular to the kernel? |
| 16:46:05 | kergoth`work | peanut: "jperlow-sharp: yeah source too" |
| 16:46:07 | Mallory | It's a USB driver, I see no reason why you'd HAVE to. |
| 16:46:09 | mandrake | (useful for binary-only kernel drivers) |
| 16:46:16 | jperlow-sharp | even different version of the kernel for different distros? |
| 16:46:21 | peanut | would rather see a diff to CDCether |
| 16:46:31 | Mallory | Some of us don't use distro kernels. |
| 16:46:40 | peanut | a lot of us don't.. |
| 16:46:47 | mandrake | jperlow-sharp: I've got the same kernel module on my redhat and debian systems with different kernel revisions for my nvidia card |
| 16:46:55 | kergoth`work | jperlow-sharp: are they precopmiling the driver as modules for various kernels in certain distros, or are they precopmiling it monolithically into the kernels? |
| 16:47:08 | jperlow-sharp | peanut I am reall yht ewrong guy to ask, basically I asked lineo for some precompiled kernels, modules and source patches |
| 16:47:22 | jperlow-sharp | presumably what we get will not be that limiting |
| 16:47:33 | jperlow-sharp | BZflag and the lineo guys are not clueless |
| 16:47:37 | peanut | knows this.. |
| 16:48:54 | whardier | I feel poop like |
| 16:50:43 | peanut | huh? |
| 16:50:58 | peanut | like <-> poop |
| 16:52:47 | hexjunky | hi all, i updated the Encrypted Email client, if you had problems with it www.w0rdup.com/Email-0.7.15.tar.gz |
| 16:52:48 | whardier | falls asleep again |
| 16:53:36 | kergoth`work | hexjunky: encrypted email client? |
| 16:53:56 | hexjunky | i posted to zauruszone, some software i worked on with a friend |
| 16:54:26 | jperlow-sharp | whoa.. |
| 16:54:31 | peanut | whoa? |
| 16:54:37 | kergoth`work | hexjunky: ah, cool. what form of encryption? |
| 16:54:39 | hexjunky | it uses gpg to encrypt sending email to a remore SMTP server, we worked on it to replace mailx on |
| 16:54:43 | jperlow-sharp | I just got an email from a very reliable source that Sun is coming out with a distro |
| 16:54:44 | kergoth`work | ah, cool |
| 16:55:08 | hexjunky | i couldnt test until i got ether/usb working, but i tested fine now... |
| 16:55:42 | jperlow-sharp | damn imagine sun going head to head with redhat |
| 16:55:47 | jperlow-sharp | they will rule |
| 16:55:56 | jperlow-sharp | finally they have some inkling of a clue |
| 16:55:57 | kergoth`work | hexjunky: java or qtopia? |
| 16:56:07 | kergoth`work | jperlow-sharp: nice! i have to see that go down |
| 16:56:16 | hexjunky | uhhh, i just cross compiled the C, |
| 16:56:18 | jperlow-sharp | maybe Sun will buy redhat |
| 16:56:24 | kergoth`work | ah ic |
| 16:56:25 | kergoth`work | yawns |
| 16:56:29 | jperlow-sharp | that could be the source of the original aol rumor |
| 16:56:33 | kergoth`work | jperlow-sharp: could be |
| 16:56:33 | peanut | jason: i could see that happening |
| 16:56:49 | hexjunky | am just learning Qt, :-) |
| 16:56:51 | jperlow-sharp | redhat only needs sun to legitimize it |
| 16:57:05 | jperlow-sharp | then IBM will have to release their internal distro |
| 16:57:10 | hexjunky | sun will win esp if AOL buys redhat... |
| 16:57:11 | jperlow-sharp | which, I have actually seen |
| 16:58:02 | jperlow-sharp | aol is not buying redhat |
| 16:58:05 | peanut | if i was ibm, i would not let sun buy redhat |
| 16:58:10 | jperlow-sharp | its gonna be ibm or sun |
| 16:58:12 | hexjunky | kergoth: can I make an ipk of this email proggie easily? havent even tried... |
| 16:58:16 | jperlow-sharp | and then its all over |
| 16:58:25 | jperlow-sharp | caldera will have to get snapped up by someone |
| 16:58:51 | Mallory | <jperlow-sharp> I just got an email from a very reliable source that Sun is coming out with a distro |
| 16:58:51 | whardier | lalala |
| 16:58:55 | Mallory | Probably Cobalt-based |
| 16:59:03 | jperlow-sharp | Mallory: yes |
| 16:59:06 | jperlow-sharp | its possible |
| 16:59:09 | whardier | is gonna load netbsd on this qube soon |
| 16:59:18 | jperlow-sharp | they should have released the cobalt distro a long time ago |
| 16:59:28 | jperlow-sharp | I have a few cobalt boxes colocated |
| 16:59:31 | jperlow-sharp | they are awesome |
| 16:59:40 | jperlow-sharp | especially the raq xtr |
| 16:59:45 | jperlow-sharp | really easy to administrate |
| 16:59:48 | peanut | the boxes aren't awesome, its the software |
| 16:59:59 | jperlow-sharp | right |
| 17:00:16 | jperlow-sharp | I would have killed for a really serious box running the cobalt os |
| 17:00:39 | jperlow-sharp | I put in a few ecommerce solutions using them and Kurant |
| 17:00:44 | jperlow-sharp | worked out really well |
| 17:02:03 | peanut | rhat bought arsdigita.. |
| 17:02:52 | jperlow-sharp | whardier: I had a qube for a while |
| 17:02:59 | jperlow-sharp | qube3 |
| 17:03:02 | jperlow-sharp | reviewed it for linux mag |
| 17:03:43 | jperlow-sharp | http://www.linux-mag.com/2001-06/pr_qube3_01.html |
| 17:04:11 | finkployd | jperlow-sharp: any word on just what kind of battery improvement will be in the 5500? |
| 17:04:11 | BigBoss | why won't someone by my company for 100 million :) |
| 17:05:16 | jperlow-sharp | fink: the battery is not improved, the cradle charger is |
| 17:05:23 | jperlow-sharp | the net result is about 20 percent increase in life |
| 17:05:31 | jperlow-sharp | the new chargers are compatible with the 5000 as well |
| 17:05:47 | finkployd | hmmm, meaning us 5000 people will not be able to buy better batteries? |
| 17:05:58 | jperlow-sharp | the 1.10 and 1.11 roms can take advantage of it |
| 17:06:01 | finkployd | 45 minutes max with a wireless card is not good |
| 17:06:05 | jperlow-sharp | fink: they are the same batteries |
| 17:06:10 | jperlow-sharp | as the 5500 |
| 17:06:15 | jperlow-sharp | we will be offering a bigger one |
| 17:06:21 | jperlow-sharp | but it will stick out a little. |
| 17:06:27 | finkployd | That is acceptable |
| 17:06:50 | finkployd | Heck, I'd take one that doubles the thickness of the unit |
| 17:07:06 | jperlow-sharp | fink: we are testing out a few configurations |
| 17:07:25 | jperlow-sharp | one that sticks out, and one that is ultrathin and goes along the length of the unit |
| 17:07:32 | finkployd | Cool |
| 17:07:37 | jperlow-sharp | the key is to not make the manufacturing cost so high. |
| 17:07:48 | jperlow-sharp | the ultrathin may be pricey |
| 17:08:36 | jperlow-sharp | either way though you wont be able to charge it in the cradle |
| 17:08:39 | finkployd | I would sarcifice size for cost and battery life (within reason of course, I don't want to be wearing a backpack battery :) |
| 17:08:41 | jperlow-sharp | you will have to use direct AC |
| 17:09:47 | finkployd | that is fine |
| 17:09:53 | jperlow-sharp | we may have to design a special cradle for it |
| 17:09:59 | jperlow-sharp | a jumbo cradle |
| 17:10:12 | jperlow-sharp | that or use sync cables only |
| 17:10:18 | jperlow-sharp | with the ac power directly connected |
| 17:10:19 | finkployd | I've just been spoiled with a palm that I have to change AAA batteries in once every two months :) |
| 17:11:27 | finkployd | Sync cables are good. I'm not so keen on the cradle as it is (mainly because it blocks the keyboard) |
| 17:11:49 | peanut | ahh.. but with vnc, you don't need the keyboard! |
| 17:12:42 | finkployd | I don't use vnc, I use ssh :) |
| 17:13:07 | jperlow-sharp | kergoth: |
| 17:13:18 | jperlow-sharp | what do you think about korganizer being the replacement pim in OZ 3 |
| 17:13:33 | finkployd | and I really don't like running the sshd on the zaurus (no root password makes me nervous |
| 17:14:00 | peanut | how about the ftp server? |
| 17:15:56 | bipolar | jperlow-sharp: you should see the things we're working on for Opie. :) |
| 17:16:11 | jperlow-sharp | fink: change your root passowrd |
| 17:16:27 | jperlow-sharp | bi: I am not up to date on your stuff |
| 17:16:39 | bipolar | jperlow-sharp: zecke is really getting things done on a sync framework. |
| 17:16:40 | jperlow-sharp | btw Sharp and Lineo want to adopt OpenZaurus as a standard |
| 17:16:47 | jperlow-sharp | for what we are calling OpenPDA |
| 17:17:02 | finkployd | That sounds interesting |
| 17:17:05 | jperlow-sharp | it will be the reference platform |
| 17:17:14 | jperlow-sharp | also trolltech |
| 17:17:28 | jperlow-sharp | so beleive me things are gonna get very active on OPIE/OZ very soon |
| 17:17:44 | finkployd | Do spectrum24 cards work in 1.1x ? |
| 17:17:50 | jperlow-sharp | no |
| 17:17:55 | jperlow-sharp | not yet |
| 17:18:04 | jperlow-sharp | those cards are weird |
| 17:18:09 | kergoth`work | jperlow-sharp: k, great. |
| 17:18:10 | jperlow-sharp | lineo is working on it |
| 17:18:11 | kergoth`work | hmm |
| 17:18:13 | finkployd | What currently is the "best" card to get? |
| 17:18:20 | finkployd | 802.11b specifically |
| 17:18:22 | jperlow-sharp | in my opinion the dlink |
| 17:18:29 | peanut | maybe the smc though.. |
| 17:18:32 | jperlow-sharp | has the most powerful tranceiver |
| 17:18:37 | jperlow-sharp | I havent tried the smc |
| 17:18:40 | peanut | has the dlink.. |
| 17:18:51 | peanut | dlink blocks headphone/stylus ports |
| 17:18:53 | kergoth`work | smc is prism 2.5, doesnt interfere with stylus. so i hear anyway |
| 17:18:59 | finkployd | my boss has that one, that is where I got my "45 minutes of battery power with wireless" benchmark :) |
| 17:19:23 | kergoth`work | jperlow-sharp: so OpenPDA is the name eh? I was wondering what the ref platform was to be called |
| 17:19:28 | peanut | the thing you have to remember is that nobody ever uses their palm like we want them to use this.. |
| 17:19:41 | finkployd | granted |
| 17:19:57 | peanut | if you only turn on the Z once/twice a day to get numbers/look at your calendar etc |
| 17:20:00 | peanut | it will last a long time |
| 17:20:14 | peanut | if you start playing mp3s, surfing the web, etc, 45 minutes ain't bad.. |
| 17:20:21 | peanut | had omnisky with his palm.. |
| 17:20:26 | peanut | i got 45 minutes tops.. |
| 17:20:42 | finkployd | I used my palm to primarily play card games during boring classes/meetings :) |
| 17:21:44 | finkployd | if someone would make a pda that was only an ssh client with a wireless card I would buy it in second |
| 17:22:04 | peanut | the Z could be that.. |
| 17:22:22 | finkployd | peanut: Actually, the Z is the best pda for my needs I've ever come across |
| 17:22:54 | finkployd | peanut: literally my only gripe is battery life (and the battery meter) |
| 17:23:45 | finkployd | can you boot the 1.1x roms into just consol mode? |
| 17:25:05 | dragorn | finkployd: Yeah, they don't seem to have removed anything |
| 17:26:41 | kergoth`work | brb |
| 17:28:04 | v23_work | finkployd: you have to hit a '/' when it says "waiting" to enter consol mode |
| 17:28:24 | dragorn | Has anyone else countered a lot of problems building qt embedded? Maybe i'm just making a simple error, but as far as I know I'm following trolltechs docs... if I configure qtembedded with -platform linux-generic-g++ and -xplatform linux-arm-g++, it ignores the xplatform target. If I follow a different document (still in the QTE docs,no less) and do -embedded arm, it sees the crosscompile target |
| 17:28:40 | dragorn | but when it goes to build it makes an arm moc binary, and fails since it obviously can't run it on intel hardware. |
| 17:28:58 | kergoth`work | dragorn: building qt embedded using -xplatform works flawlessly here |
| 17:29:08 | dragorn | kergoth`work: hmm. Damn. |
| 17:29:21 | dragorn | kergoth`work: It builds, it just builds intel binaries for me |
| 17:29:23 | kergoth`work | dragorn: have TMAKEPATH set properly? |
| 17:29:43 | dragorn | kergoth`work: I'll check. What SHOULD it be set to? |
| 17:30:10 | kergoth`work | [your tmake path]/lib/qws/linux-ipaq-g++/ |
| 17:31:45 | kergoth`work | i.e. in my system i have export TMAKEPATH=/home/kergoth/Qtopia/tmake/lib/qws/linux-sharp-g++/ |
| 17:31:48 | kergoth`work | which works fine for me |
| 17:32:09 | dragorn | so I should be using tmake to build qte intstead of gmake? |
| 17:32:45 | kergoth`work | i have tmakepath set.. then my commands to build qt are as follows: |
| 17:33:11 | kergoth`work | make clean; ./.configure -no-xft -xplatform linux-sharp-g++ -qconfig qpe -depths 16,32; make; |
| 17:35:29 | dragorn | ok... |
| 17:35:49 | dragorn | I've been trying to do it with gmake, I'm used to s/390 crossbuild environments. Probably where I'm shooting myself in the foot |
| 17:35:49 | dragorn | thanks |
| 17:37:26 | Hellaenergy | ljp: Good find on the CDCEther |
| 17:39:22 | jperlow-sharp | you guys are gonna laugh at me |
| 17:39:28 | jperlow-sharp | anyone have a mirror of the qtopia sdk |
| 17:39:47 | jperlow-sharp | Trolltech is shipping me some stuff but it isnt ready yet |
| 17:39:55 | jperlow-sharp | and I need to set up a server today |
| 17:40:04 | jperlow-sharp | and I cant download the sdk from their site |
| 17:40:11 | jperlow-sharp | never downloaded it to ZZ |
| 17:40:37 | shadwman | where'd this 1.10 update come from? Does it have the java jre? |
| 17:40:46 | jperlow-sharp | it has the java |
| 17:40:52 | jperlow-sharp | 1.10 is sharp official |
| 17:41:51 | peanut | the sdk is on my laptop (@home) |
| 17:42:03 | peanut | :( |
| 17:42:44 | dragorn | Anyone working on hacking cdcether to support the 1.11 rom yet? |
| 17:42:52 | Kopsis | jperlow-sharp: I have it handy ... give me a minute to put it where you can grab it |
| 17:42:58 | treke | jperlow-sharp : the download is working for me |
| 17:43:22 | peanut | dragorn: lineo is working on that |
| 17:43:28 | dragorn | peanut: cool. |
| 17:43:42 | dragorn | was going to start looking into it, but doesn't really have the time. |
| 17:44:57 | peanut | the link to download the roms is on the forums now.. |
| 17:45:11 | peanut | its everywhere.. the cat is finally completely out of the box |
| 17:45:34 | jperlow-sharp | I have an account on that contest site but I lost my password |
| 17:45:47 | Mallory | Sharp should really put something up on the download page that says "Linux users are SOL with this ROM until a new CDCEther patch comes out" |
| 17:45:48 | jperlow-sharp | its weird, I can get into the judging area but not the developer area |
| 17:45:51 | treke | Your username is: greg@treke.net |
| 17:45:53 | dragorn | peanut: Too bad it's slightly ... off... still. Mediaplayer in particular. Oh well. shouldn't expect too much from pre-release |
| 17:45:59 | treke | Your username is: greg@treke.net |
| 17:46:03 | treke | err |
| 17:46:12 | treke | why are messages being broadcast... |
| 17:47:07 | peanut | thinks we're looking at monday now |
| 17:47:11 | peanut | thats not too bad.. |
| 17:47:22 | jperlow-sharp | ok it is letting me reregister |
| 17:47:23 | dragorn | peanut: For the cdcether? |
| 17:47:32 | dragorn | peanut: Or the real rom |
| 17:48:35 | peanut | the "real" rom, me thinks.. |
| 17:48:50 | jperlow-sharp | what are you guys options of OpenLinux 3.11 from caldera |
| 17:49:00 | Hellaenergy | anyone else got a copy of the CDCEther mod for 1.11 ROM? SF is really bogged down right now :( |
| 17:49:00 | peanut | opinions? |
| 17:49:06 | jperlow-sharp | we are putting together a developer CD with an integrated Linux distro |
| 17:49:06 | kergoth`work | caldera sucks, period. |
| 17:49:15 | peanut | use debian or rhat |
| 17:49:16 | NeoTron | goes to work. |
| 17:49:18 | jperlow-sharp | they gave us permission to give it out |
| 17:49:24 | jperlow-sharp | bzflag suggested debian |
| 17:49:26 | kergoth`work | unixware sucks. openunix sucks. openlinux sucks. |
| 17:49:29 | Hellaenergy | mandrake anin't bad |
| 17:49:30 | BigBoss | i always liked caldera, but i have debian on my laptop now - very cool |
| 17:49:30 | jperlow-sharp | but its a pita to install isnt it |
| 17:49:38 | jperlow-sharp | actually unixware is pretty damn nice |
| 17:49:40 | jperlow-sharp | the latest one |
| 17:49:40 | Hellaenergy | sco rocks! |
| 17:49:44 | kergoth`work | hah |
| 17:49:47 | kergoth`work | shudders |
| 17:49:49 | BigBoss | took a week to install it actually |
| 17:49:50 | kergoth`work | unixware's kernel rocks |
| 17:49:57 | kergoth`work | unixware's user space tools are horrid |
| 17:49:58 | jperlow-sharp | unixware is faster than linux on SMP systems |
| 17:50:00 | Hellaenergy | fast |
| 17:50:03 | kergoth`work | ttymon crashes left and right |
| 17:50:10 | kergoth`work | yes, like i said, the unixware kernel is rock solid and fast |
| 17:50:14 | jperlow-sharp | and their filesystem kicks reiser's and ext3's ass |
| 17:50:14 | BigBoss | Caldera use to be focused and did a good job on the desktop and with raising the bar for distros with installers |
| 17:50:23 | BigBoss | but now they have lost their way |
| 17:50:31 | kergoth`work | BigBoss: thats an understatement |
| 17:50:31 | kergoth`work | heh |
| 17:50:38 | scanline | is away: I'm busy |
| 17:50:46 | scanline | is back (gone 00:00:08) |
| 17:50:55 | Hellaenergy | Someone told me that Microsoft traded SCO's kernel for their Windows GUI code |
| 17:51:05 | BigBoss | i'm afraid that caldera may disappear before theyear is done |
| 17:51:13 | kergoth`work | wouldnt surprise me |
| 17:51:19 | kergoth`work | openunix is a flop |
| 17:51:22 | kergoth`work | imho |
| 17:51:24 | peanut | has been playing with rhat and xfs |
| 17:51:26 | peanut | thats nice.. |
| 17:51:42 | Hellaenergy | little peanut |
| 17:51:42 | jperlow-sharp | the dude that designed the openunix linux emulation is a genius |
| 17:51:49 | BigBoss | these new Lycros and ELX distros have done such a nice job with the end user style desktop and Xandros promises to be good as well |
| 17:51:51 | kergoth`work | jperlow-sharp: yeah i know :-) |
| 17:51:57 | jperlow-sharp | he's the dude that is doing the bluetooth for Z now |
| 17:52:07 | kergoth`work | yep |
| 17:52:12 | BigBoss | suse and mandrake have got just too much damn stuff on them now |
| 17:52:27 | jperlow-sharp | Big: yeah but I gotta put together a developer CD NOW |
| 17:52:33 | peanut | use debian or rhat |
| 17:52:36 | Hellaenergy | mandrake is HW friendly |
| 17:52:38 | kergoth`work | my pers favs for linux are debian, redhat, and conectiva |
| 17:52:47 | peanut | says it again, debian or rhat |
| 17:52:51 | peanut | there really is no argument.. |
| 17:52:54 | BigBoss | i sort of missed the begginig of this thread |
| 17:52:56 | peanut | everything else is basically debian or rhat |
| 17:52:58 | Hellaenergy | true |
| 17:53:02 | kergoth`work | conectiva is easy to install, works almost identically to redhat, but has multiple language support and uses apt like debian. |
| 17:53:02 | BigBoss | you want a developer packaged distro? |
| 17:53:04 | Hellaenergy | debian |
| 17:53:08 | jperlow-sharp | big: yeah |
| 17:53:13 | BigBoss | yes, conectiva is very cool |
| 17:53:14 | Hellaenergy | What ever happend to slackwear? |
| 17:53:15 | kergoth`work | i'd vote for debian or conectiva personally |
| 17:53:20 | BigBoss | I'd seriously look at conectiva then |
| 17:53:21 | jperlow-sharp | I want to give out a CD at javaone that has all of the tools for Z development integrated |
| 17:53:31 | BigBoss | there aren't any good debian packages yet |
| 17:53:32 | jperlow-sharp | want to mint 5000 of them |
| 17:53:35 | kergoth`work | true |
| 17:53:37 | BigBoss | the PRogeny one sucked |
| 17:53:42 | kergoth`work | jperlow-sharp: go for conectiva. |
| 17:53:50 | jperlow-sharp | caldera is a sister company of lineo though |
| 17:53:53 | BigBoss | only problem with Conectiva is getting someone to keep talking with you long enough to finish something |
| 17:53:58 | BigBoss | they are spun off |
| 17:54:01 | jperlow-sharp | and I really dont want to do biz with redhat |
| 17:54:08 | BigBoss | lineo considers caldera the spin off actually :) |
| 17:54:22 | peanut | whats wrong with doing biz with rhat? |
| 17:54:34 | jperlow-sharp | peanut: they wanted to displace Lineo |
| 17:54:34 | BigBoss | grab a conectiva iso from linuxiso.org and give it a spin |
| 17:54:37 | jperlow-sharp | thats whats wrong with them |
| 17:54:41 | peanut | yes.. so.. |
| 17:54:50 | BigBoss | lineo is nice and focused |
| 17:54:55 | BigBoss | rhat much less so |
| 17:55:06 | BigBoss | case in point - there eBusiness do-hicky |
| 17:55:11 | peanut | admits that lineo and rhat are sort of competitors.. |
| 17:55:22 | jperlow-sharp | Redhat well.. uh.. demands certain things if we want to do business with them |
| 17:55:40 | BigBoss | start with Conectiva then |
| 17:55:45 | BigBoss | seriously |
| 17:55:52 | jperlow-sharp | its that decent? |
| 17:55:55 | BigBoss | i think they are in brazil |
| 17:56:00 | jperlow-sharp | its from friggin brazil? |
| 17:56:01 | kergoth`work | yes, they're in brazil |
| 17:56:02 | BigBoss | they own the market in latin america |
| 17:56:05 | jperlow-sharp | oh man |
| 17:56:09 | kergoth`work | they have good multi language support as a result |
| 17:56:16 | kergoth`work | and supports apt.. which makes using rpm sane |
| 17:56:18 | kergoth`work | :-) |
| 17:56:20 | BigBoss | not to mention they invented the rpm-get thing |
| 17:56:28 | BigBoss | so rpms work like apt-get debs |
| 17:56:31 | BigBoss | this is very important |
| 17:56:38 | kergoth`work | yep thats what i mean :-) |
| 17:56:41 | kergoth`work | i love that |
| 17:56:42 | treke | ooh. That kicks ass |
| 17:56:50 | BigBoss | put up a sharp server that has the developer software, and add the server to the default server list on the distro you mint |
| 17:56:56 | kergoth`work | exactly |
| 17:57:00 | BigBoss | then Z developers can just say apt-get zaurus |
| 17:57:02 | BigBoss | or whatever |
| 17:57:04 | Hellaenergy | I feel like Rumpletizskin downloading this ROM from SF :( |
| 17:57:07 | BigBoss | makes things very easy |
| 17:58:11 | jperlow-sharp | I can put it up on ZZ |
| 17:58:12 | peanut | ok, here's a question.. who bought rhat originally at 14? |
| 17:58:29 | jperlow-sharp | I wish to hell I did |
| 17:58:30 | Hellaenergy | jperlow-sharp: Please! |
| 17:58:32 | jperlow-sharp | and then sold it |
| 17:59:16 | peanut | anyone else? |
| 17:59:33 | jperlow-sharp | alright I gotta download that rom first |
| 17:59:40 | Hellaenergy | thanks :) |
| 18:00:05 | Hellaenergy | 3hr and 1min.............. |
| 18:03:23 | BigBoss | rhat was at 8 when I looked the other day |
| 18:08:15 | peanut | is talking about pre-ipo |
| 18:08:25 | peanut | notices that someones people who were stiffed there don't like rhat later |
| 18:13:30 | mandrake | I was in redhat's IPO |
| 18:13:41 | peanut | as was i.. |
| 18:13:54 | mandrake | I think I sold at 60 something |
| 18:14:03 | peanut | bet you wish you had waited to 300 |
| 18:14:06 | peanut | knows he does.. |
| 18:14:21 | mandrake | nah I used the money to buy my VA options |
| 18:14:28 | peanut | ahhh... |
| 18:14:33 | peanut | that was probably nicer.. |
| 18:14:35 | mandrake | I worked at VA at the time |
| 18:15:38 | mandrake | I spent 2 years at VA |
| 18:15:54 | peanut | you make it sound like a jail sentence |
| 18:16:06 | mandrake | nah |
| 18:16:10 | mandrake | only the end |
| 18:16:14 | finkployd | I'm sure it is now :) |
| 18:16:24 | mandrake | the end I was working on the damned kernel |
| 18:16:32 | mandrake | and all sorts of other stuff I'm not qualified to do |
| 18:16:41 | mandrake | or that I don't feel qualified to do anyways |
| 18:16:53 | finkployd | isn't qualified to do any of the stuff he does on a daily basis |
| 18:17:13 | peanut | hehehe.. |
| 18:17:22 | mandrake | I'll be glad when this summer rolls around |
| 18:18:07 | peanut | why's that? |
| 18:18:18 | mandrake | my apprentice shows up in june |
| 18:18:24 | jperlow-sharp | ok rom update at http://www.zauruszone.com/files/ SL5UpdateV111-mod4CDCEther.tar.gz |
| 18:18:45 | jperlow-sharp | take note I am -not- endorsing this as sharp official or anything |
| 18:19:04 | finkployd | jperlow-sharp: what exactly is CDCEther? |
| 18:19:12 | mandrake | finkployd: driver for running usb networking |
| 18:19:21 | finkployd | cool |
| 18:21:12 | finkployd | I'm assuming a regular 10bt CF network card would consume less power than a wireless right? |
| 18:21:48 | mandrake | finkployd: yes. |
| 18:22:28 | peanut | is that the one the person posted? |
| 18:23:29 | peanut | sees that it is.. |
| 18:23:51 | jperlow-sharp | I posted a notice about this on zz as well |
| 18:23:54 | jperlow-sharp | but not as a news item |
| 18:23:58 | jperlow-sharp | since its not official |
| 18:24:52 | jperlow-sharp | I cant prevent the community from distributing these ROM images anyways, so theres no use in me trying to cover it up or anything like that |
| 18:24:59 | jperlow-sharp | so as bugs bunny says |
| 18:25:05 | jperlow-sharp | if you cant beat em, join em |
| 18:25:35 | peanut | hehehe |
| 18:25:43 | peanut | any timetable from lineo though? |
| 18:25:55 | jperlow-sharp | not yet |
| 18:26:38 | finkployd | I think most of us would prefer often releases that may not be perfect than rare releases. |
| 18:30:53 | jperlow-sharp | fink, I hear ya. |
| 18:31:09 | peanut | hey.. we do have jason to thank for 1.1x |
| 18:31:12 | peanut | :) |
| 18:31:13 | jperlow-sharp | I can make requests, but unfortunately the release schedule is not up to me |
| 18:36:11 | Neo|Work | is at work. |
| 18:36:15 | Neo|Work | is away: I'm busy |
| 18:36:24 | Neo|Work | is back (gone 00:00:01) |
| 18:37:40 | Hellaenergy | jperlow-sharp: that rom on zz yet? |
| 18:41:06 | Neo|Work | what I'd need right now is another VA Linux IPO. that one was nice |
| 18:41:20 | Neo|Work | (i.e an IPO _like_ LNUX) |
| 18:41:30 | treke | would be nice, now that I've actually got money :) |
| 18:41:50 | Neo|Work | ...sold at some 260 or so I think |
| 18:42:38 | tux_mike | 4586 n9`n=\ |
| 18:43:00 | kergoth`work | tux_mike: ? |
| 18:43:28 | tux_mike | sorry... just plugged in an external keyboard that was laying upside down on the floor :) |
| 18:44:02 | kergoth`work | ah :-) |
| 18:44:22 | Fastolfe | Good morning subshine ! |
| 18:44:27 | Fastolfe | gee |
| 18:44:32 | Fastolfe | s/subshine/sunshine |
| 18:44:39 | peanut | hows lineo doing on the driver to enable comm with linux? |
| 18:45:07 | Fastolfe | I'm working on it still |
| 18:45:19 | Fastolfe | no luck so far |
| 18:45:29 | Fastolfe | what's that image upgrade thing ? |
| 18:45:48 | tux_mike | kergoth`work: did you look at kaffe |
| 18:47:44 | kergoth`work | tux_mike: nah didnt do anything last night, spent some quality time w/ my woman |
| 18:47:45 | kergoth`work | heh |
| 18:48:49 | jperlow-sharp | hella: its up |
| 18:51:38 | scanline | is away: class |
| 18:55:17 | tux_mike | kergoth`work: ah ha... :) |
| 18:57:34 | Neo|Work | the QTextBrowser class is cool. I derived a class from it and overloaded setText and setSource and handles clicks on links and conversion of text=>hypertext |
| 18:57:36 | Neo|Work | very nice |
| 18:58:12 | Neo|Work | some 20 lines of code to do that. :P |
| 18:58:43 | ljp_work | hello- anybody know if there's a qpe equivilent of qt_xrootwin() ? |
| 18:59:08 | treke | Neo|Work : you know any way to set the portion of the page that is visible using it? |
| 19:01:05 | Neo|Work | treke: you mean "scroll" to a certain position? |
| 19:01:11 | treke | right |
| 19:01:41 | treke | I didnt see anything in the docs that seemed to work ( and I tried some odd stuff) |
| 19:02:27 | Neo|Work | check the docs for qscrollview |
| 19:02:34 | Neo|Work | i.e file:///opt/Qtopia/doc/html/qscrollview.html or what not |
| 19:02:56 | Neo|Work | void QScrollView::setContentsPos ( int x, int y ) [virtual slot] |
| 19:03:38 | treke | Neo|Work : I'll give that one another shot. I believe I tried it though |
| 19:03:43 | tux_mike | i think it's time for me to make my flashcard proggie better :) |
| 19:05:22 | tux_mike | anyone know how to register custom mime types in qpe? |
| 19:05:46 | peanut | hates comcast |
| 19:05:50 | treke | tux_mike : I think your only option is to use a desktop file |
| 19:06:10 | ishmal | tux: no, would be cool if Opera handled .ipk automatically |
| 19:06:30 | tux_mike | well, i want to make .flc files for flashcards :) |
| 19:06:50 | tux_mike | and when you startup my flashcard program, it brings up the doc browser |
| 19:07:57 | treke | someone else had that problem. Data files seem a bit clumsy on the zaurus ( particularly if you want to hide them) |
| 19:08:31 | tux_mike | i donw |
| 19:08:58 | tux_mike | i dont wanna hde them.. i want to make my flash card program like most other QPE apps |
| 19:10:20 | treke | oh. then you can do that pretty easilly :) |
| 19:10:41 | treke | tux_mike : Does the program create the files or are you generating them from inside the program? |
| 19:11:08 | tux_mike | lol! Ad for dog... Siberian Husky, 1yr old, F, great w/children, bad w/chickens. Free to approved home. |
| 19:12:04 | tux_mike | treke: eventually... they are colon delimited text files, not to hard to throw together in a text editor, i will eventually put in editing support |
| 19:17:15 | treke | tux_mike : take a look at the .desktop files in your Documents directory in vi |
| 19:21:36 | tux_mike | lol http://www.ilovebacon.com/020802/h.shtml |
| 19:22:42 | ishmal | just thought i'd try actually playing an mp3 on this thing ... not bad |
| 19:23:10 | ishmal | just talked the boss into making the main widgets of the desktop no larger than 240x320 ;-) |
| 19:23:18 | ishmal | he asked 'why?' |
| 19:23:39 | ishmal | didnt tell him |
| 19:24:19 | Neo|Work | 1 Programming with Qt (2nd Editi $27.96 1 $27.96 |
| 19:24:19 | Neo|Work | Ah. :) |
| 19:24:42 | ishmal | so, going to get this app to work on Qt on windows and DG-UX, and Qt/E on the Z |
| 19:25:52 | hexjunky | is that Prog with Qt book good, i almost picked it up the other day... |
| 19:26:12 | hexjunky | I only know C and perl :-(, no gui stuff |
| 19:27:24 | ishmal | damn, still no Seti@Home client for arm-linux ; dont they realize what theyre missing? |
| 19:27:29 | Neo|Work | ishmal: what app? |
| 19:27:48 | Neo|Work | hexjunky: I have no idea, since I just got it ordered. :P |
| 19:27:58 | Neo|Work | one thing with QT though, is that you'll need C++, not C |
| 19:28:51 | ishmal | we are re-engineering a rule-based system-monitoring tool from java to C++/Qt , the first customer is going to use it to monitor telemetry data from mission control |
| 19:29:00 | ishmal | how is THAT for an app for the Z? |
| 19:29:47 | Neo|Work | well, at least it's a step in the right direction (jave->C++ :)) |
| 19:29:52 | ishmal | this is going to be fun |
| 19:30:05 | ishmal | we do all languages here, no religion ;) |
| 19:30:08 | finkployd | is it possible to get a 25x80 character terminal screen for the Z? |
| 19:30:29 | MEGASTeP | is back (gone 15:16:03) |
| 19:30:34 | ishmal | the only trouble might be politics involved in installing a wireless hub |
| 19:31:00 | Neo|Work | ishmal: where do you work? |
| 19:31:04 | Neo|Work | MEGASTeP: yo |
| 19:31:11 | sjohnson | finkployd: The font would be close to unreadable. |
| 19:31:25 | ishmal | little company called lincom, the office here mostly does contracting for nasa |
| 19:31:52 | Neo|Work | ag |
| 19:31:53 | Neo|Work | ah even |
| 19:32:08 | mtm | ishmal: they want wireless? |
| 19:32:54 | hexjunky | i never wanted to learn C++, but it could be fun, i seem to be able to do all i want in C/perl/ksh |
| 19:33:29 | ishmal | yeah, almost like he will be carrying a remote mission control console in his pocket |
| 19:34:13 | mtm | ishmal: but they're afraid of wireless insecurity? |
| 19:34:32 | ishmal | not if its inside the building, it's radio-proof |
| 19:34:39 | mtm | ishmal: ahhh |
| 19:34:55 | mtm | so it really is politics, not security politics |
| 19:35:01 | ishmal | yes |
| 19:35:02 | mtm | what a pain |
| 19:35:10 | Hellaenergy | Anyone here ever seen a Cf smart card reader? |
| 19:35:18 | Neo|Work | hexjunky: I kinda like C++ |
| 19:35:30 | Hellaenergy | What about D |
| 19:35:33 | ishmal | should not be a problem for a public non-military organization |
| 19:35:43 | hexjunky | my gf is a java programmer, she would kill me :-) |
| 19:35:54 | hexjunky | but I might do it to piss her off... |
| 19:36:04 | Neo|Work | hexjunky: hehe. Well, C++ kicks java butt. ;-)) |
| 19:36:48 | ishmal | well, |
| 19:37:04 | Neo|Work | at least when it comes to (in general) memory usage and speed |
| 19:37:25 | Neo|Work | And I find developmeng speed in C++ to very similar to that of higher level languages |
| 19:37:29 | ishmal | each for its own purpose, i've been doing C since it was B ;) , i love it, but java, too |
| 19:39:46 | hexjunky | like i always say, it is just a language, it is what you say that is important :-D |
| 19:40:05 | hexjunky | so i need to learn C++, then Qt, ugh |
| 19:40:56 | Neo|Work | hexjunky: don't worry to much about Qt. I have only used it for some 2 weeks and I know it pretty well. heh |
| 19:41:04 | finkployd | I rank programming languages into two catagories. Ones that let you control dynamic memory allocation and ones that try to manage it themselves :) |
| 19:41:48 | Neo|Work | hexjunky: QT is well made and has good (online) docs in addition to books. |
| 19:42:19 | hexjunky | yeah, i have a thing against online docs, i like books |
| 19:42:41 | ishmal | i usually dont compare Java & C++, it's two different things, like a screwdriver and a saw, different uses |
| 19:43:10 | ishmal | a lot of the stuff i write has JNI, where Java does the easy stuff, but it loads a C module when it needs speed |
| 19:43:36 | Neo|Work | ishmal: I don't know java well enough to really diss it, but I know from experience that java apps (at least in Linux) generally are slower, use more memory and are harder to get to work |
| 19:44:05 | hexjunky | damn, i didnt mean to start a java vs. C++ battle :-( |
| 19:44:29 | bipolar | java sux! |
| 19:44:31 | bipolar | ducks |
| 19:44:40 | bipolar | hehe |
| 19:45:29 | hexjunky | java i dont mind, but im not letting flash anywhere near my zaurus... |
| 19:46:05 | bipolar | hexjunky: rotfl |
| 19:46:28 | NetAmp | hey look, a bipolar tachyon vortex |
| 19:46:40 | bipolar | NetAmp: You lost me. |
| 19:46:42 | NetAmp | ;-) |
| 19:46:55 | bipolar | NetAmp: I'm sure it was really funny, but I just don't get it... |
| 19:46:57 | bipolar | :) |
| 19:46:57 | NetAmp | *lol* TV quote |
| 19:47:06 | bipolar | ST? |
| 19:47:08 | ishmal | hex: actually, i was wondering when Macromedia was going to do an arm-linux port |
| 19:47:19 | NetAmp | yeah I guess it was from ST... |
| 19:47:21 | NetAmp | Any cool news about the SL-5000? |
| 19:47:21 | ishmal | since the Z doesnt have an animation player |
| 19:47:39 | ishmal | would be cool if it had SVG |
| 19:48:19 | hexjunky | i bet vector graffies are neat on the Z~ |
| 19:48:28 | NetAmp | ;-) |
| 19:48:34 | ishmal | it's just the right size for it |
| 19:50:14 | ishmal | like if the Z could play stuff from this site: http://hotwired.lycos.com/animation/ |
| 19:50:19 | Neo|Work | wonders what the status is on the contest beta judging |
| 19:51:40 | NetAmp | http://developer.sharpsec.com/jindex.cfm :P |
| 19:52:01 | ishmal | i just did 1.10 yesterday, is there really a 1.11 already? |
| 19:52:28 | hexjunky | stay away from 1.11!!! |
| 19:52:52 | NetAmp | Is Java any good on the 'Z'? I think it's slow on W*nd*ws |
| 19:52:57 | Neo|Work | ishmal: 1.11 == 1.10 with different heap/storage allocation |
| 19:53:03 | Neo|Work | otherwise the same |
| 19:53:25 | ishmal | NetAmp, i ported a couple of small apps, they seems to run ok |
| 19:53:31 | ishmal | seemed |
| 19:53:32 | NetAmp | :) |
| 19:53:34 | ishmal | i mean |
| 19:53:50 | hexjunky | my ethernet over usb broke bad, my backup xml docs didnt work from backups |
| 19:53:58 | hexjunky | im back on OpenZaurus now |
| 19:54:00 | NetAmp | Anyone has a 5000 yet? Can only order 5000D from Sharp... (?) |
| 19:54:18 | ishmal | i think the Java VM might be especially useful, if someone wanted to write a bunch of very small GUI shells for adminning the Z |
| 19:54:18 | finkployd | Yes and yes |
| 19:55:07 | Neo|Work | NetAmp: there is only 5000D now. the consumer version will be 5500 |
| 19:55:18 | hexjunky | will it have more RAM :-) |
| 19:55:24 | NetAmp | yeah |
| 19:55:27 | Neo|Work | 64 MB |
| 19:55:28 | NetAmp | twice as much |
| 19:55:30 | NetAmp | right? |
| 19:55:34 | Neo|Work | y |
| 19:55:38 | NetAmp | :) |
| 19:55:44 | hexjunky | damn, i want more ram :-( |
| 19:56:11 | finkployd | can you use, say, 32MB off a 64MB SD card as swap space? |
| 19:56:16 | NetAmp | hm... it has 2 slots for cards |
| 19:56:35 | ishmal | well, since we only get to use 10mb out of 32mb 54/64 would actually be 5x |
| 19:56:55 | sjohnson | DON'T use SD or CF cards are swap. You will wear it out in no time flat. |
| 19:56:56 | ishmal | i think i did that wrong |
| 19:57:01 | ishmal | 50/64 |
| 19:57:09 | hexjunky | i want to use my CF for 802.11 and my SD as ram, but dont know how to use the SD as swap |
| 19:57:23 | Kopsis | sjohnson: true for SD but not so much for CF |
| 19:57:58 | finkployd | SD wears out fast? Bummer |
| 19:58:00 | hexjunky | CF's max out after a few million pictures, i guess using it as tmp would do that quickly |
| 19:58:09 | finkployd | they should have given us two CD slots then |
| 19:58:10 | Neo|Work | limited deletes on flash |
| 19:58:14 | ishmal | i just want a sharp person to publish a hardware hack for upgrading what we have |
| 19:58:24 | Neo|Work | like 100000 writes or so |
| 19:58:32 | hexjunky | i saw the insides of the Z, you cant upgrade the ram |
| 19:58:42 | hexjunky | not without soldering :-) |
| 19:58:46 | Neo|Work | hexjunky: you can _always_ upgrade the ram. :P |
| 19:58:51 | sjohnson | Kopsis: It's still flash memory. It will wear out. |
| 19:58:55 | Neo|Work | but it takes more than switching a chip. :)) |
| 19:59:12 | Kopsis | Good CF controllers distribute writes so they're spread around the card. MTBF for a good CF card is about the same as a hard disk. |
| 19:59:17 | Neo|Work | the only CF you can have that doesn't wear out are the microdrives |
| 19:59:44 | hexjunky | but i have to pick b/w microdrive OR wireless card, unless there is an SD wireless card |
| 19:59:51 | hexjunky | all i have seen is SD bluetooth |
| 20:00:01 | finkployd | SD wireless would be cool |
| 20:00:03 | Neo|Work | hexjunky: I saw some SD wireless but I don't know the format |
| 20:00:17 | hexjunky | and would it work ....on the Z |
| 20:02:32 | ishmal | another nice hack would be one to be able to base Gtk apps on QPE, to open up the other half of the linux world |
| 20:02:40 | Neo|Work | the SD card I saw was bluetooth |
| 20:02:45 | Neo|Work | http://www.infosync.no/show.php?id=1356 |
| 20:03:12 | hexjunky | i saw a few bluetooth cards, but would like 802.11....i am waiting for now |
| 20:03:13 | dragorn | would like to see an X ported to the QPE framebuffer (and not the VNC hack there is now). Probably not too difficult, either. |
| 20:03:44 | hexjunky | man, that vnc kills my Z |
| 20:03:48 | Neo|Work | uh, if anything, you'd run X with qpe apps within it |
| 20:03:54 | Neo|Work | the opposite would be... odd |
| 20:04:46 | ishmal | if QPE could merely launch a full-screen window, and expose a graphic API for other libs to use, it might not be so hard |
| 20:04:57 | dragorn | Neo|Work: It'd make a lot of sense to have the capability to run X in qpe, to my mind anyhow. Makes it faster to port apps to the z. |
| 20:05:14 | dragorn | Neo|Work: I'd rather just do a crosscompile than to translate an X app into QPE. |
| 20:06:55 | Neo|Work | dragorn: to run X on the Z, yes, but not to run X within qpe |
| 20:07:27 | Neo|Work | and Jason has mentioned that they might end up using X in the bottom |
| 20:07:28 | sjohnson | Crash and burn, baby! |
| 20:07:58 | ishmal | it would be good, then, if QPE could launch one of those things by giving them the framebuffer, without incurring the overhead of a QtE app |
| 20:07:59 | Neo|Work | dragorn: btw, it's never going to be as simple as a cross compile for (most) apps since the format is so different |
| 20:08:12 | dragorn | Neo|Work: I know, I've been working on porting some of my stuff. |
| 20:08:24 | Neo|Work | dragorn: got any cool stuff? :P |
| 20:08:38 | dragorn | Neo|Work: Just console right now. Waiting for my 802.11 card to see if it works. |
| 20:08:52 | hexjunky | i am working on porting some more CLI stuff, i want "file" ... |
| 20:09:12 | Neo|Work | non-GUI stuff shouldn't be much more than ./configure && make, no? |
| 20:09:19 | dragorn | Neo|Work: It should, since it uses the wlan_ng drivers on Z or Intel and they appear to still support lnxreq_sniff on the wlanctl... |
| 20:09:41 | Neo|Work | dragorn: unfortunately I don't know much about wireless stuff. :) |
| 20:09:43 | dragorn | Neo|Work: And moving some libs into the crossbuild environment, yeah. |
| 20:09:53 | hexjunky | i just ./configure, then hack the Makefile, but somethings get creepy if you try to strip down the app... |
| 20:10:11 | hexjunky | i messed with fetchmail and mutt, but gave up.... |
| 20:10:24 | roge99 | is back (gone 03:34:28) |
| 20:10:25 | ishmal | neo: depends on which toolchain you are using but something like ./configure --host=arm-linux --target=arm-linux |
| 20:10:32 | hexjunky | too big until i get a microdrive |
| 20:12:11 | ishmal | bbl, questing for beer, and the happiest of hours |
| 20:13:21 | BigBoss | for those of you who have tkcJabber - we've fixed the bug in the IRC transport that was making our jabber server crash |
| 20:13:57 | rospahr | BigBoss: do we go to your site for a new download? |
| 20:14:05 | zero1 | can someone help me with a cross complie quick question? |
| 20:14:11 | hexjunky | shoot |
| 20:14:22 | zero1 | 1st, pretend i'm an idiot, it will make things easier |
| 20:14:40 | zero1 | here is what i want to cross complie |
| 20:14:43 | zero1 | http://boneheadproductions.tripod.com/bonim/ |
| 20:14:43 | rospahr | BigBoss: sorry misread your message |
| 20:15:03 | hexjunky | oh neat, AIM on my Z, that would be kewl |
| 20:15:25 | zero1 | LDFLAGS = -lfaim -ldl -Llibfaim -lcurse |
| 20:15:43 | BigBoss | rospahr: right, it's in the server, not the client :) |
| 20:15:44 | BigBoss | but you do get free updates when we have them |
| 20:15:58 | zero1 | actually for aim i cureently use this: |
| 20:16:10 | zero1 | but i want the console one |
| 20:16:33 | Mallory | BigBoss: I don't know jack about Jabber but a question. I should be able to connect to _any_ IRC server, not just OPN, right? |
| 20:16:35 | kergoth | re |
| 20:16:45 | hexjunky | yeah, console would be nice, looks like im working... |
| 20:16:45 | Mallory | I couldn't yesterday but now I wonder if it's related to the server bug you're talking about. |
| 20:16:48 | Mallory | re k |
| 20:17:16 | zero1 | you can use aol java version on the Z just fine fyi |
| 20:17:21 | zero1 | for aim |
| 20:17:32 | zero1 | i tested |
| 20:17:35 | kergoth | zero1: wahts the difficulty you're having in crosscompilation? |
| 20:17:48 | zero1 | i have no idea what i'm doing for starters |
| 20:17:58 | zero1 | is there a howto cross complie beginners guide? |
| 20:18:07 | zero1 | i install the stuff |
| 20:18:09 | zero1 | installed |
| 20:18:19 | kergoth | k... |
| 20:18:24 | zero1 | opt/Embedix/tools/ |
| 20:18:39 | zero1 | not sure how to set up the env |
| 20:18:54 | zero1 | plus i think this depends on curses |
| 20:19:07 | dragorn | kergoth: btw, I grabbed tmake, set the path environment variable, did a configure -xplatform linux-arm-g++ ... and it's still not liking me. I'll have to poke it more I guess. |
| 20:19:17 | kergoth | dragorn: whats it failing on? |
| 20:19:20 | zero1 | i did complie 1 simple C program, but when there are libs and headers is where i get confussed |
| 20:19:24 | zero1 | 1 sec |
| 20:19:33 | kergoth | dragorn: that is, whats the behavior you're seeing |
| 20:19:36 | dragorn | kergoth: It still says building for x86 |
| 20:19:38 | kergoth | zero1: k |
| 20:19:40 | hexjunky | you gotta tell it to use the lib in the /opt/.....dir |
| 20:19:46 | dragorn | kergoth: Even with an explicit -xplatform switch to configure |
| 20:19:48 | kergoth | dragorn: what gcc is it running during the build? |
| 20:19:55 | kergoth | dragorn: some items should be built for x86 |
| 20:20:00 | kergoth | dragorn: such as moc, for example |
| 20:20:01 | zero1 | it's running the arm one |
| 20:20:13 | zero1 | i did a setenv CC .......arm |
| 20:20:21 | dragorn | kergoth: Right, but it says building on: qws/linux-generic-g++ |
| 20:20:21 | dragorn | building for: qws/linux-x86-g++ |
| 20:20:30 | zero1 | hmm, 1 sec |
| 20:21:07 | zero1 | doesn't really say |
| 20:21:11 | zero1 | the error i get is |
| 20:21:12 | zero1 | ld: aim_rxhandlers.o: Relocations in generic ELF (EM: 40) |
| 20:21:17 | dragorn | kergoth: running "./configure -no-xft -xplatform linux-arm-g++ -qconfig qpe -depths 16,32" |
| 20:21:31 | zero1 | it just has a make file no configure |
| 20:21:50 | hexjunky | you could hand edit the Makefile |
| 20:21:59 | hexjunky | to use the correct compiler/libraries |
| 20:22:05 | kergoth | i dunno dragorn, i just tested mine with -xplatform linux-arm-g++.. said building on linux-x86-g++-shared, building for linux-arm-g++-shared |
| 20:22:13 | zero1 | i'll keep fooling with it, that's what i'm trying to do, thx |
| 20:22:41 | kergoth | zero1: you need to look at the makefile to figure out how to add -L/opt/Embedix/tools/arm-linux/lib to the LDFLAGS, and -I/opt/Embedix/tools/arm-linux/include to the CCFLAGS |
| 20:22:54 | dragorn | kergoth: grr. Oh well. I'll keep hacking at it. qt-embedded-free-3.0.1 is what I'm building, there a newer one I just didn't find? |
| 20:23:04 | kergoth | dragorn: dont use qt/e 3 |
| 20:23:05 | zero1 | ok, thanks a bunch, that's the things i'm needing to understand |
| 20:23:12 | kergoth | dragorn: qt/e 3 wont work with the Z or with qtopia |
| 20:23:19 | zero1 | i'm a perl junkie, damnit why didn't i learn C/C++! |
| 20:23:24 | dragorn | kergoth: heh, ok then. ;) Theres a good chunk of my problem right there. |
| 20:23:31 | kergoth | zero1: each crosscompilation is different.. because each programs buildsystem is different |
| 20:23:44 | kergoth | dragorn: use qt/e 2.3.2 release ver in pub/qt/source, iirc |
| 20:24:00 | zero1 | what if it depends on something like -lcurses |
| 20:24:08 | zero1 | then what? |
| 20:24:22 | kergoth | then you need libncurses.so to be in /opt/Embedix/tools/arm-linux/lib |
| 20:24:24 | Mallory | Then you'll probably have to port ncurses |
| 20:24:30 | dragorn | kergoth: Good call. I'll see if that clears it up |
| 20:24:31 | kergoth | if it isnt, copy it from the Z or crosscompile ncurses as well |
| 20:24:40 | kergoth | dragorn: np. let me know how it goes. |
| 20:24:58 | zero1 | ok, thx for the tips |
| 20:25:04 | kergoth | zero1: you'll also need the symlink named libcurses.so that points to libncurses.so in that lib dir as well |
| 20:25:42 | dragorn | ncurses is easy -- I just pulled it from the Z for the .so, and pulled the includes from my intel box, crossbuilds that fine. |
| 20:25:48 | kergoth | yep |
| 20:26:12 | kergoth | i had to figure out how to crosscompile a lot of shit for my buildsystem. pain in the ass. |
| 20:26:23 | kergoth | brb |
| 20:26:37 | zero1 | thx again, i'll keep fooling with it |
| 20:38:17 | tux_mike | what are the icon sizes on qpe? 32x32? |
| 20:39:33 | Neo|Work | yah |
| 20:40:23 | msmax | 24*24 and 14x14 |
| 20:41:53 | Fastolfe | zero1: I already ported ncurses if you need it |
| 20:44:12 | Neo|Work | msmax: but the are scaled down, no? |
| 20:44:24 | msmax | yes |
| 20:45:52 | dragorn | kergoth: Yeah, 2.3.2 detects the crossbuild right |
| 20:47:23 | dragorn | kergoth: Thanks, i'd've knocked my head against that for quite a while |
| 20:50:37 | kergoth | no prob :-) |
| 20:52:07 | kergoth | sup Twiun |
| 20:55:25 | dragorn | looks like a new rom w/ a backleveled cdcether driver is up |
| 20:59:35 | Mallory | Yeah, I'm wget'ing it right now and am going to pull out the module in question |
| 21:02:13 | dragorn | good idea. What are they, just mountable as loopback devices? |
| 21:02:53 | Mallory | No, kergoth said how to mount it a few days in here |
| 21:02:56 | Mallory | <kergoth`work> dkl: after a 'make sharproot' which mounts the sharp initrd in build/sharproot, you |
| 21:02:56 | Mallory | can cp -a build/sharproot/* root/; and make alterations to the root fs in root/, |
| 21:02:56 | Mallory | then ln -s root root_cramfs; bin/build.sh; to create a new initrd.bin using cramfs. |
| 21:03:16 | dragorn | ah. cram. Makes sense. |
| 21:03:33 | Mallory | Hmm, I dont' see a sharproot target in buildroot-oz |
| 21:04:13 | Mallory | ahh n/m |
| 21:08:07 | Mallory | Oh, it's already in there |
| 21:08:11 | Mallory | rwm@ryan:/usr/src/ryan$ tar -tzvf SL5UpdateV111-mod4CDCEther.tar.gz |
| 21:08:12 | Mallory | ... |
| 21:08:15 | Mallory | -rw-rw-r-- vindaci/vindaci 53151 2002-01-01 00:06:48 SL5UpdateV111-mod4CDCEther/1.02/net_fd.o |
| 21:08:44 | roge99 | hey zero1how goes it |
| 21:10:37 | zero1 | hey |
| 21:10:43 | zero1 | trying to cross complie something |
| 21:10:52 | zero1 | was looking for dragon |
| 21:10:59 | | I haven't seen 'dragon', zero1 |
| 21:10:59 | zero1 | ibot seen dragon |
| 21:11:13 | | dragorn was last seen on #zaurus 7 minutes and 57 seconds ago, saying: ah. cram. Makes sense. [Fri Feb 8 21:03:16 2002] |
| 21:11:13 | zero1 | ibot seen dragorn |
| 21:13:29 | zero1 | brb |
| 21:14:29 | dragorn | suspects theres a lot of better people to help with crosscompiling |
| 21:17:45 | Mallory | rwm@ryan:~$ ping 192.168.1.200 |
| 21:17:46 | Mallory | PING 192.168.1.200 (192.168.1.200): 56 data bytes |
| 21:17:46 | Mallory | 64 bytes from 192.168.1.200: icmp_seq=0 ttl=255 time=0.2 ms |
| 21:17:47 | Mallory | jacpot |
| 21:17:51 | Mallory | jackpot, rather |
| 21:18:02 | dragorn | cool. |
| 21:20:49 | dragorn | did you have to reflash, or were you able to just change the install |
| 21:21:21 | Mallory | Na, just put the module in /home/root and did this (just wrote a script for it) |
| 21:21:23 | Mallory | #!/bin/bash |
| 21:21:23 | Mallory | rmmod sa1100_bi |
| 21:21:23 | Mallory | rmmod net_fd |
| 21:21:23 | Mallory | insmod /home/root/net_fd.o |
| 21:21:23 | Mallory | modprobe sa1100_bi |
| 21:21:45 | kergoth | dragorn: you can actually just replace the net_fd.o symlink thats buried in /lib/modules |
| 21:21:49 | kergoth | Mallory: |
| 21:21:50 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:22:24 | kergoth | the symlink in /lib/modules/ is on the home filesystem, and points to the actual module in the nonwritable rootfs. just overwrite that symlink with the new module, and it'll use that one instead |
| 21:23:02 | Mallory | Oh, the modules themselves are symlinks? |
| 21:23:09 | Mallory | I didn't look. I just assumed the whole directory was |
| 21:23:28 | kergoth | iirc, the modules should be |
| 21:23:38 | kergoth | unless sharp changed it recently |
| 21:24:52 | kergoth | hah. create an ipk of the old net_fd .. install it and reboot and poof, working usb networking |
| 21:24:55 | kergoth | :-) |
| 21:25:16 | Mallory | http://ftp.engardelinux.org/pub/engarde/people/ryan/stash/zaurus/net_fd-1_02-module.tar |
| 21:25:16 | kergoth | "Kernel panic: Attempted to kill init!" |
| 21:25:19 | kergoth | grumbles |
| 21:25:19 | Mallory | There is the module |
| 21:25:30 | kergoth | k |
| 21:25:36 | Mallory | (for whoever wants it) |
| 21:25:54 | dragorn | Mallory: Thanks |
| 21:26:09 | Mallory | ahh |
| 21:26:15 | Mallory | I can finally use my fsck'ing CF again |
| 21:26:16 | Mallory | :) |
| 21:26:26 | Mallory | hip-hip HORRAYs |
| 21:26:56 | kergoth | gah i still need to pick up a cf 802.11 card and a sd card |
| 21:27:07 | Mallory | I need a SD card |
| 21:27:14 | Mallory | Gonna wait until 128mb ones are reasonable |
| 21:28:43 | zero1 | any one know anything about xcomplie a Z app that need curses? |
| 21:28:46 | zero1 | i have a question |
| 21:32:46 | dragorn | cool, that worked, thanks |
| 21:41:02 | Mallory | hmm, stopped working |
| 21:41:11 | kergoth | ? |
| 21:41:55 | Mallory | Changed some IPs around. PECBKAC |
| 21:42:03 | Mallory | There we go |
| 21:45:07 | Mallory | beautifl |
| 21:45:27 | Mallory | Don't have to run that script anymore, thanks for the tip kergoth. Assumptions are the root of all evil. :) |
| 21:45:36 | kergoth | hehe. np :-) |
| 21:47:07 | dragorn | hmm, mine isn't liking telnetting in or suing to root yet... fun. |
| 21:47:10 | dragorn | but the net module works |
| 21:47:17 | Mallory | I gave up on telnet |
| 21:47:28 | kergoth | yeah screw telnet. install ssh or openssh |
| 21:47:30 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:49:41 | Mallory | DNS is hokey |
| 21:50:55 | Fastolfe | Hey guys, quick question : |
| 21:51:01 | dragorn | woohoo, someone just dropped me an email, my 802.11 project DOES work in the Z. |
| 21:51:08 | kergoth | dragorn: what project? |
| 21:51:54 | Fastolfe | I've had requests to implement recording/playback of keyboard and touchscreen events in the VNC server. But I reckon it should be outside of it, in a separate program. What do you think ? |
| 21:52:00 | fiferboy | Any news on the Linux syncing front? |
| 21:52:04 | Mallory | Outside of it |
| 21:52:07 | Mallory | It's not the job of VNC |
| 21:52:10 | Mallory | (MHO) |
| 21:52:13 | Fastolfe | yeah |
| 21:52:32 | Fastolfe | k thanks |
| 21:52:35 | kergoth | agreed. |
| 21:52:56 | Neo|Work | I have seen a vnc client (or proxy) that can record and playback |
| 21:53:12 | Neo|Work | perhaps that'd help |
| 21:53:18 | Fastolfe | yeah I've seen that too, it runs outside the PDA |
| 21:53:23 | Fastolfe | that might be an advantage |
| 21:53:59 | Neo|Work | right, it's not part of or dependent on any server |
| 21:54:16 | Fastolfe | Neo|Work: that's true |
| 21:54:53 | dragorn | kergoth: http://www.nerv-un.net/~dragorn/kismet/ |
| 21:55:01 | Neo|Work | unfortunately the one I tested had somewhat limited speed. Might be an interesting project to make something that generates mpeg movies. :P |
| 21:55:25 | dragorn | kergoth: 802.11b sniffer/packet dissector. It all works on intel, I just got email the Z binaries work like expected, but I need to test it all out when my card gets here. |
| 21:55:29 | carey | anyone know why the import feature is missing in the new qdesktop? |
| 21:55:46 | kergoth | dragorn: ah cool :-) |
| 21:56:58 | dragorn | kergoth: It's fairly complete, or at least, more complete than anything else out there for wireless that i've found, and it plays nice with ethereal for packet dumping... Even the Z binary will dump ethereal compatable packet logs. ;) |
| 21:57:35 | dragorn | will have to test that the endian-ness of the data in the Z logs is correct, though |
| 21:59:24 | Mallory | CM(E) -> (eth0 / 24.1.2.3)_ESL_(eth1 / 192.168.1.1) -> Switch (192.168.1.0/24) |
| 21:59:30 | Mallory | err, wrong window. |
| 22:01:27 | Neo|Work | Anyone want to try my very early version on an internet DICT client? http://david.hedbor.org/tmp/edict_0.1_arm.ipk <-- untested on arm |
| 22:01:43 | Mallory | What is DICT? |
| 22:02:06 | Neo|Work | Internet dictionary protocol |
| 22:02:13 | Neo|Work | i.e it's a dictionary client |
| 22:02:13 | Mallory | hmm, later. I'll save the URL. :) |
| 22:02:22 | Neo|Work | http://david.hedbor.org/tmp/edict02.png |
| 22:02:43 | Neo|Work | right now you can lookup words and click on referenced words from the result |
| 22:02:57 | Neo|Work | however there's no error reporting, can't select dictionaries, nav buttons not working etc, etc, etc. :) |
| 22:05:05 | kergoth | dragorn: nice... thatd be useful |
| 22:05:07 | bipolar_away | is away: I'm not here... Really.... |
| 22:06:02 | dragorn | kergoth: Yeah. NExt step, qt frontend... |
| 22:10:36 | CosmicPenguin | is away: Uh, oh.. the weasel got out again... |
| 22:10:41 | CosmicPenguin | is back (gone 00:00:04) |
| 22:10:55 | CosmicPenguin | is away: Off to see the olympic torch |
| 22:11:41 | Mallory | Oh, btw kergoth, the rotation stuff in OPIE has some issues :) |
| 22:11:48 | Mallory | Not sure how stable it's supposed to be. |
| 22:12:08 | kergoth | how so? |
| 22:12:59 | Mallory | Well I tried to use tkcEditor in it and the toolbar was totally empty |
| 22:13:02 | Mallory | Some other apps had that problem too |
| 22:13:07 | Mallory | err, menubar |
| 22:13:19 | kergoth | er |
| 22:13:28 | kergoth | you restarted opie after setting rotation? |
| 22:13:39 | Mallory | I'm running Qtopia, not running Opie |
| 22:13:47 | Mallory | err the stock one on the 1.11 ROms |
| 22:14:23 | kergoth | okay, but did you restart after setting rotation |
| 22:14:24 | kergoth | ? |
| 22:14:33 | Mallory | yeah, I think |
| 22:14:45 | kergoth | things dont work will without a restart. i'm going to change the rotation applet to automatically do it, or prompt to do it |
| 22:14:45 | Mallory | I had installed it a few days ago and I know I'd rebooted since then |
| 22:14:49 | kergoth | hmm |
| 22:14:57 | Fastolfe | vi CDCEther.c |
| 22:14:59 | Mallory | I'll download it and try again later tonight |
| 22:15:00 | Fastolfe | oops |
| 22:15:01 | Fastolfe | sorry |
| 22:15:01 | Mallory | heh |
| 22:15:02 | kergoth | i havnet seen probs with it, but havent tested any of tKc's apps yet |
| 22:15:16 | Mallory | Other apps had that problem too. When I test it later I'll make notes with detail. |
| 22:15:39 | kergoth | cool, drop me an email when you get the behaviors down |
| 22:21:00 | v23_work | Hi. I'm having problem with the network setup app: it keeps forgetting the Broadcast address and freezing the Z when switching between configuration (I'm using b2.6) Is it a known issue? |
| 22:21:36 | Mallory | Yeah, I've had that same problem. There is never any broadcast in the text box but it defaults to what it "should" be based upon the IP/netmask. |
| 22:21:39 | scanline | is back (gone 03:30:01) |
| 22:30:43 | v23_work | Is the email client (which is missing from the latest beta) available separately from somewhere? |
| 22:30:57 | kergoth | for OZ? |
| 22:31:20 | kergoth | http://opie.handhelds.org/ click packages, and click on the link to the package feed. you may have to force the ipk install |
| 22:31:39 | v23_work | thanks |
| 22:45:49 | Cam_ | does anyone on here know about programming the zaurus for sound? |
| 22:47:33 | treke | It's just oss sound right? |
| 22:47:53 | Cam_ | does it all work then? I don't have a zaurus |
| 22:48:17 | Cam_ | I wanted to record from the mic and playback |
| 22:48:17 | treke | It should work... wouldnt see the point in putting soundhardware if it didnt :) |
| 22:48:25 | treke | (I dont have one either) |
| 22:48:50 | Cam_ | are there any restrictions with the sample rate? |
| 22:49:09 | treke | lemme look, I think there are |
| 22:54:40 | xxl_away | Cam_: output to the sound device has be done in non-blocking mode, last time I checked |
| 22:54:54 | Fastolfe | xxl_away: no it doesn't |
| 22:56:35 | xxl_away | <quote> |
| 22:56:36 | xxl_away | SNDCTL_DSP_GETOSPACE doesn't work on the SL5000's audio device drivers, at |
| 22:56:37 | xxl_away | least with earlier ROMs. |
| 22:56:37 | xxl_away | If this ioctl fails, you should set the file handle to non-blocking - "fcntl( |
| 22:56:37 | xxl_away | handle, F_SETFL, O_NONBLOCK )" |
| 22:56:38 | Cam_ | thanks |
| 22:56:40 | xxl_away | </quote> |
| 22:57:20 | xxl_away | fastolfe: from an email W. Allison sent to zaurus-general |
| 22:57:23 | Fastolfe | xxl_away: I have a sound app right here that says you can write to it in blocking mode |
| 22:58:11 | xxL | fastolfe: of course you can, but your app will get blocked (UI included) while playing, right ? |
| 22:58:43 | xxL | which may be undesired in a gui app |
| 22:59:03 | Fastolfe | xxL: of course, unless you're threaded or you fork a process off. I thought you said you couldn't do it at all ? |
| 22:59:13 | Cam_ | just out of interest, is the h/w full duplex? |
| 22:59:19 | Fastolfe | Cam_: it is |
| 22:59:28 | Cam_ | hmmm |
| 22:59:47 | Fastolfe | Cam_: but you need a 4-ring 3.5 jack to use both signals from the audio port |
| 22:59:51 | xxL | fastolfe: my fault, I wasn't clear *when and why* you need nonblocking |
| 23:00:01 | Fastolfe | xxL: :) |
| 23:00:07 | PanicOpticon | Hullo |
| 23:00:17 | Fastolfe | hello fellow human being |
| 23:00:21 | Cam_ | 4 ring... hang on |
| 23:00:31 | Fastolfe | hangs on |
| 23:01:06 | xxL | fastolfe: and qt/e is not thread-safe, which means you have to take care of it |
| 23:01:30 | Fastolfe | xxL: I didn't know that. I don't code Qt apps myself |
| 23:01:44 | xxL | fastolfe: you work for lineo ? |
| 23:01:50 | Fastolfe | xxL: yes |
| 23:02:06 | Cam_ | I have a 3-ring one. What comes with the Zaurus? Do you get the 4-ring headset? |
| 23:02:07 | xxL | good. are you involved in the sound driver development in any way ? |
| 23:02:30 | Fastolfe | xxL: no, but I sure wish I was. This thing is so broken |
| 23:02:38 | xxL | there's a funny issue when using it in non-blocking (while we're at it) |
| 23:03:24 | xxL | if I do 2 write()'s very fast, the second one returns -1, but you can "hear" it actually playied some of the bits |
| 23:03:46 | Fastolfe | that's wrong |
| 23:04:01 | Fastolfe | a lot of the DMA code in there is broken |
| 23:04:08 | Cam_ | lovely :( |
| 23:04:13 | Fastolfe | heh |
| 23:04:16 | PanicOpticon | Sorry to interrupt, but ... Can anyone tell me if the impelmentation of the USB-Eth system used in Firmilar is based on anything real world... like hardware usb-usb networking? |
| 23:04:22 | xxL | which means spinlocking on if( write() < 0 ) puts gremlins in your earphones :( |
| 23:05:17 | xxL | one workaround that seems to be working fine tho is select() but looks like overkill to me |
| 23:05:20 | Cam_ | I imagined preparing a bufffer of synthesised output, and writing it to the device, calling poll() in between writes |
| 23:05:39 | Cam_ | dunno how that would sit with the Qt main loop? |
| 23:05:43 | Fastolfe | xxL: my experience with the sound driver is that (1) it'll do funny things behind your back if you don't keep it very simple and (2) it will do funny things behind your back even if you keep it very simple |
| 23:06:07 | Cam_ | I'll have to get my app working on the Agenda first... |
| 23:06:20 | xxL | Cam_: I *am* using the Qt main loop, and accessing the sound on a Qtimer( 0 ) |
| 23:06:35 | xxL | fastolfe: thx, that sound incouraging, indeed :) |
| 23:06:41 | xxL | s/sound/sounds |
| 23:07:14 | Cam_ | isn't it better to use a fd if you can? |
| 23:07:32 | Fastolfe | xxL: well, sorry to say that, I've spend hours trying to figure out why my app doesn't work properly when it shoulda been a 30 minute job, so I'm not especially overwhelmed |
| 23:07:39 | xxL | Cam_: huh ?? |
| 23:08:22 | Fastolfe | brb |
| 23:08:44 | Cam_ | with a 0 length timer you'll constantly be hitting the sound, isn't it more easy on the IO subsystems (or whatever) to wait for the fd to be writable, using poll(), and then try the write? |
| 23:09:57 | xxL | Cam_: as I said before, I'm already using select(). according to the man page "poll is a variation on the theme of select" |
| 23:15:16 | IPmonger | hey guys |
| 23:15:51 | Cam | thanks for the sound tips guys |
| 23:28:43 | BZFlag | sheesh... rfc wars |
| 23:29:37 | IPmonger | well, that's not *exactly* correct |
| 23:30:12 | BZFlag | heh, which? |
| 23:30:18 | IPmonger | rfc wars |
| 23:30:22 | IPmonger | more like clue wars |
| 23:30:33 | NeoTron | the ip stuff |
| 23:30:34 | IPmonger | :-) |
| 23:30:36 | NeoTron | ? |
| 23:30:40 | IPmonger | yeah |
| 23:30:55 | BZFlag | ok, rfc "get a clue" wars? |
| 23:31:02 | IPmonger | fair enough |
| 23:31:03 | IPmonger | :-) |
| 23:31:05 | BZFlag | heh |
| 23:31:17 | IPmonger | so, I've been lame for the last two months |
| 23:31:27 | IPmonger | and I haven't even yet downloaded the cross-compiler for Linux |
| 23:31:37 | IPmonger | I don't think I'll be submitting an app for the contest |
| 23:31:38 | IPmonger | :-) |
| 23:37:30 | kergoth | "Warning: unable to open an initail console." indicates /dev/console wasnt able to be opened, correct? |
| 23:37:37 | kergoth | s/initail/initial/ |
| 23:39:04 | ibweb | Hello all |
| 23:39:26 | Mallory | ahh, cradle networking again |
| 23:39:39 | kergoth | Mallory: contente? |
| 23:39:44 | kergoth | s/contente/content/ |
| 23:39:46 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:39:47 | Mallory | mmh? |
| 23:39:48 | ibweb | Can someone help? I just got the sharp and I'm trying to syncronize. but nothing happens |
| 23:40:07 | kergoth | ibweb: huh? we need more information than that. |
| 23:40:07 | Mallory | I'm just happy I can use the CF slot for something other then networking again. |
| 23:41:01 | ibweb | Kergoth: Ok, I add it a contact on the trolltech desktop. and then I press in the cradle the sync button? what am I doing wrong? . |
| 23:41:25 | Mallory | What ROM version and what OS are you using? |
| 23:42:20 | ibweb | how do I know what Rom am I using? |
| 23:42:33 | Mallory | If you haven't flashed it then you're using the stock ROM |
| 23:42:44 | Mallory | (the one that came pre-installed) unless you bought it at the Linux Expo |
| 23:43:14 | kergoth | ibweb: what OS are you running on the desktop? |
| 23:43:47 | ibweb | I haven't flash it and I didn't buy it at the linux expo. Then is the one that came pre installed. (I just got it like 3 hours ago) |
| 23:44:01 | Mallory | Okay, then what Desktop OS are you using? |
| 23:44:33 | ibweb | I'm running Windows 2000 Server. |
| 23:44:50 | Mallory | I can't help you much, don't use Windows. |
| 23:44:58 | kergoth | ibweb: did you install the drivers? |
| 23:44:59 | ibweb | I also have linux |
| 23:45:01 | Mallory | Did you follow all the directions and install the USB networking drivers? |
| 23:45:36 | ibweb | yes I did, I guess . Let me check. (where can I get the drivers for Linux using r.h 7.2) |
| 23:45:57 | Mallory | WTF, all of a sudden fbvncserver won't work with the cradle networking |
| 23:46:47 | ibweb | No I didn't. Let me try again. Thanks |
| 23:48:24 | dragorn | Mallory: I got mine at linux expo and it seems to have come with a stock rom as well |
| 23:48:46 | dragorn | Mallory: But it may have been updated from the rom you're talking about, I don't know |
| 23:49:06 | zacs | dragorn: ditto for me |
| 23:49:34 | dragorn | I haven't seen a non-linuxworld model to compare, but it would appear to be an early stock rom. |
| 23:49:39 | kergoth | dragorn, zacs: some of the units from the expo came with a prerelease version of the 1.10/1.11 rom |
| 23:49:47 | dragorn | kergoth: Ah. Not mine. ;) |
| 23:50:15 | zacs | kergoth: ah, definitely not me either |
| 23:50:22 | Mallory | dragorn: They were flashing some peoples units, but not all. |
| 23:50:32 | dragorn | I picked mine up the second day, maybe they ran out of flashed models. |
| 23:50:38 | Mallory | No, they were flashing them |
| 23:50:43 | Mallory | (the new ROM was not pre-installed) |
| 23:50:51 | kergoth | yep |
| 23:50:59 | Mallory | The Sharp booth was MOBBED. |
| 23:51:03 | zacs | i picked mine up before the show opened the last day... they hadnt had enough caffiene to flash anything :) |
| 23:51:03 | dragorn | no kidding. |
| 23:51:13 | kergoth | hopes sierra really is coming out with a new space quest game as the rumors say |
| 23:52:17 | treke | hopes someone goes and writes a qte plugin for freesci |
| 23:53:24 | Mallory | I've been thinking of an app to write not knowing Qt all that well. I think I may write a proggie where you can write and later translate into text. |
| 23:53:38 | Mallory | Ie, so you can take notes at a meeting then save it as text later. |
| 23:53:51 | Mallory | Sound hard? Could I use the existing handwriting libs any? |
| 23:53:57 | ibweb | Now is working. |
| 23:54:15 | treke | Mallory : that would be cool, but OCR is definitly not trivial :) |
| 23:54:46 | Mallory | Yeah I know it's not which is why I'd want to use the handwriting lib. :) |
| 23:54:50 | PanicOpticon | Sync related question: Did sharp develop a custom kernel module for their USB interface? |
| 23:54:54 | dragorn | Sounds tricky... If you saved as strokes instead of as a bitmap you could probably hack up the qpe ocr stuff |
| 23:55:01 | Mallory | Panic: AFAIK it's part of Lineo's Embedix |
| 23:55:12 | Mallory | Hmm, good point. |
| 23:55:20 | Mallory | Just a thought... I'll think about it more when I get time |
| 23:56:07 | PanicOpticon | Any idea if the Lineo USB module is based on one that firmilar/handhelds.org uses? |
| 23:56:14 | ibweb | To do the same that I did here, where do I get the files to put the drivers and the trolltech Palmtop Center running in linux? |
| 23:56:20 | kergoth | PanicOpticon: no, its not. |
| 23:56:22 | dragorn | Mallory: I've seen it done before on other platforms, I think CE has something like that, and I think Newton had something like that |
| 23:57:06 | Mallory | iweb: you need to patch CDCEther |
| 23:57:07 | PanicOpticon | Is that module included in the Lineo soruce on the Zaurus page? |
| 23:57:10 | Mallory | (a kernel module) |
| 23:57:23 | Mallory | Check out http://www.ruault.com/Zaurus/ethernet-over-usb-howto.html |
| 23:57:32 | Mallory | That tells you all you should need to know to get started. |
| 23:57:42 | Mallory | Be AWARE that the latest QA ROMs don't work with that module. |
| 23:57:57 | kergoth | PanicOpticon: yes. |
| 23:58:03 | Mallory | See y'all later, have a good weekend. |
| 23:58:33 | PanicOpticon | thanks, you too... |
| 23:58:47 | kergoth | ttyl Mallory |
| 23:59:08 | PanicOpticon | Hrm... thanks kergoth. |
| 23:59:28 | kergoth | np |
| 23:59:47 | kergoth | waits patiently for glibc to crosscompile. |
