| 00:00:02 | treke | tux_mike : er never mind. I made a toolbar :) |
| 00:00:36 | tux_mike | do you know how to do the copy and paste events? |
| 00:04:34 | Neo|Work | wouldn't mind a job doing QPE/Qtopia development, including the lib itself and apps/games etc. :-)) |
| 00:04:42 | Neo|Work | as a matter of fact, that'd rock heh |
| 00:05:14 | Mallory | Amen, it's fun being paid to do what you love. |
| 00:05:20 | Mallory | Which is why I love getting paid to hack on perl all day. :) |
| 00:06:23 | kergoth | Mallory: lucky bastard |
| 00:06:27 | kergoth | hehe |
| 00:06:43 | ][N-Flux | bbiab |
| 00:07:58 | kergoth | k going home now |
| 00:10:36 | LarryElsewhere | ok, now that's screwed up.... |
| 00:10:48 | LarryElsewhere | My mouse pointer is disappearing when over one file in Quanta. :-) |
| 00:10:52 | file | eh? |
| 00:13:15 | LarryElsewhere | Quanta = text-assist IDE. |
| 00:13:21 | LarryElsewhere | (On GNU/Linux) |
| 00:13:28 | LarryElsewhere | Tabbed interface. |
| 00:13:37 | LarryElsewhere | on one tab, right now, my mouse pointer disappears. :-) |
| 00:15:21 | Mallory | The following NEW packages will be installed: |
| 00:15:21 | Mallory | quanta weblint |
| 00:15:27 | Mallory | lessee... |
| 00:17:13 | LarryElsewhere | I've been using it for months without this happening, it's just weird. :_0 |
| 00:27:04 | whardier | hi |
| 00:27:55 | Aelfweld | greetings and salutations |
| 00:28:04 | whardier | FUCK |
| 00:28:11 | Aelfweld | ? |
| 00:28:16 | Mallory | That's one hell of a welcome. |
| 00:28:22 | whardier | :) |
| 00:31:51 | Aelfweld | does the media player work? it always seem to think the files are 0 length for me |
| 00:32:17 | scanline | is away: food(sorta) |
| 00:39:38 | nelazul | hmm the new rom is having issues booting to anything but qtopia |
| 00:44:26 | roge99 | evening all |
| 00:45:05 | Aelfweld | evening |
| 00:49:13 | scanline | is back (gone 00:16:56) |
| 00:58:32 | fiferboy | Aelfweld: The media player is working for me. I have a 15 minute video that works |
| 00:58:37 | fiferboy | Haven't tried music, though. |
| 00:59:16 | Aelfweld | hmm I was trying a random mp3 on my from my windows box. no go |
| 01:00:00 | fiferboy | Strange. I'd try an mp3, but I can't transfer a file in Linux ;-) |
| 01:00:24 | Aelfweld | what no ftp? |
| 01:00:40 | fiferboy | Not with the new ROM. I can't talk to it at all. |
| 01:00:53 | Aelfweld | oh I did not know that, I got used to oz |
| 01:01:24 | fiferboy | Me too. It would be nice if tranfers worked again. Anyone know when that will happen? |
| 01:01:33 | Aelfweld | I was just trying to setup dhcp for the z on my linux box. it didn;t work though. the z never accepted the offer o\ |
| 01:01:36 | roge99 | install ssh from sf |
| 01:01:43 | roge99 | then do a scp |
| 01:02:01 | fiferboy | That works with the new ROM talking to Linux? |
| 01:02:08 | roge99 | yep |
| 01:02:18 | fiferboy | ssh on Linux or the Z? |
| 01:02:35 | Aelfweld | where is the z sshd package roge99? |
| 01:02:46 | roge99 | on sourceforge |
| 01:03:19 | roge99 | do you have a network card for the Z |
| 01:03:29 | Aelfweld | I use the usb netwrok |
| 01:03:34 | Mallory | You can cut the size of the binaries in half if you stip them with the 'strip' command from the ARM toolchain. |
| 01:03:38 | roge99 | i think thats broke |
| 01:03:39 | Mallory | Saved me about 1.2Mb |
| 01:04:08 | Aelfweld | seems to be working, at least I saw the dhcp discover attempts. I'll tr manual in a second |
| 01:04:13 | LarryElsewhere | what does that do? |
| 01:04:28 | roge99 | i get crc errors on the z when reciving packets |
| 01:04:28 | Aelfweld | removes the debugging/symbol tables |
| 01:04:34 | LarryElsewhere | ah |
| 01:05:13 | fiferboy | roge99: So what's the procedure? What do I need to put on the Z? |
| 01:05:31 | Drago | hmm i wonder when we will have a fix for the ethernet driver |
| 01:05:36 | roge99 | if all you have is usb networking then your hosed for now |
| 01:05:58 | fiferboy | That's what I thought. Sucks for now then... |
| 01:07:05 | Aelfweld | I guess the crc errors would explain why i got no dhcp accept |
| 01:07:13 | roge99 | yep |
| 01:07:29 | Aelfweld | good thing I have a cf for moving files |
| 01:08:04 | fiferboy | Ah, that's what I need. A USB reader for my comp. Do they work in Linux? |
| 01:08:07 | Aelfweld | so I hope it does not take 4months for a new rom with working usb o) |
| 01:08:16 | roge99 | fiferboy: yep |
| 01:08:30 | fiferboy | Nice. I'll have to run down to Futursehop then... |
| 01:08:59 | roge99 | Aelfweld: if they changed the way the z handles the port ( they released new windows drivers ) |
| 01:09:10 | zacs | fiferboy: nice, a fellow canadian :) |
| 01:09:17 | roge99 | Aelfweld: then the kernel patch will need to be modified |
| 01:09:28 | fiferboy | zacs: Yep! Do you have a Zaurus? |
| 01:09:37 | zacs | fiferboy: sure do |
| 01:09:42 | fiferboy | How'd you get yours? |
| 01:09:48 | zacs | fiferboy: lwe |
| 01:09:49 | Neo|Work | leaves for home early |
| 01:09:57 | fiferboy | Ahhhh... neat. |
| 01:10:03 | zacs | you got one? |
| 01:10:07 | fiferboy | Yup. |
| 01:10:09 | Aelfweld | ah I thought the crc erros would have been caused by a bug on the z side but I see your point |
| 01:10:31 | zacs | i had to get one... i was one of the original guys on the netwinder team |
| 01:10:45 | fiferboy | Netwinder? |
| 01:10:53 | Neo|Work | is away: @home |
| 01:11:02 | zacs | fiferboy: corels arm linux based computer |
| 01:11:27 | zacs | which was then sold to rebel... which was then run into the ground |
| 01:11:32 | fiferboy | Sweet! I have to go out for a few minutes. Be back soon... |
| 01:13:59 | Drago | i picked up one of those cf->pcmcia cards, its great |
| 01:17:02 | zacs | Drago: how much? |
| 01:17:47 | sjohnson | is away: eating dinner |
| 01:18:12 | peanut | waves |
| 01:18:25 | peanut | any news on lineo's driver? |
| 01:18:31 | peanut | or hancom for that matter? |
| 01:19:34 | ljp | hancom? |
| 01:19:44 | ljp | it's not on the new rom, if that's what you mean |
| 01:20:17 | peanut | yeah.. any chance it will make it onto 1.12 |
| 01:20:53 | ljp | I don't know, BigBoss would know |
| 01:21:03 | peanut | well bigboss? |
| 01:21:06 | peanut | grins |
| 01:25:30 | peanut | is downloading eval of hancom pro |
| 01:28:52 | peanut | only 4 hours left of downloading.. |
| 01:41:27 | peanut | hey.. this is nice, i'm down to 3 hours 14 minutes now. |
| 01:41:48 | ljp | I guess you have broadband then?? :) |
| 01:42:09 | peanut | if you could call it that.. |
| 01:42:18 | peanut | i used to have @home, 300KB downloads |
| 01:42:28 | peanut | i have comcast.net now.. 150KB down :( |
| 01:42:46 | ljp | how big is hancom pro? |
| 01:42:55 | peanut | 90MB |
| 01:43:07 | ljp | 3 hours? |
| 01:43:53 | peanut | i'm only getting 6.4KB down |
| 01:43:59 | Mallory | yeah, and hancom wsa SLOW as ahell |
| 01:44:02 | Mallory | err |
| 01:44:04 | Mallory | I can type, really. |
| 01:44:24 | ljp | modem speeds on a cable... :) |
| 01:44:48 | Mallory | I love apt-get updating at 500k/sec at home |
| 01:44:58 | Mallory | upgrading too |
| 01:45:02 | peanut | what can if connection is that |
| 01:45:15 | peanut | kind of |
| 01:45:22 | peanut | s/can if/kind of/ |
| 01:45:35 | Mallory | Cable from Optimum Online (Cablevision). |
| 01:47:21 | peanut | 500Kb or 500KB? |
| 01:47:34 | file | kilobytes or kilobites. |
| 01:51:32 | Mallory | networking is usually referred to in bytes |
| 01:52:04 | peanut | knows. |
| 01:53:27 | Mallory | 20:55:31 (246.75 KB/s) - `speed_test' saved [10485760/10485760] |
| 01:53:34 | Mallory | Not that fast tonight though :) |
| 01:59:43 | peanut | still faster than my 150KB/s |
| 02:06:40 | BigBoss_busy | someone was talking about me a while ago |
| 02:06:46 | BigBoss_busy | about Hancom? |
| 02:06:53 | BigBoss_busy | their server is a bit slow for downloading the demo |
| 02:07:09 | BigBoss_busy | Word, Sheet and a Presenter viewer is supposed to be on the Z rom |
| 02:07:18 | BigBoss_busy | unless something goes horribly wrong |
| 02:07:22 | peanut | BigBoss_busy: do you know when? |
| 02:07:31 | peanut | BigBoss_busy: any documentation on the embedded products? |
| 02:08:10 | BigBoss_busy | it was in the last Rom that I picked up on january 14 |
| 02:08:20 | BigBoss_busy | from what I understand everything is supposed to be final on Monday |
| 02:08:28 | BigBoss_busy | what kind of documenation are you looking for? |
| 02:08:30 | peanut | sweet.. |
| 02:08:46 | BigBoss_busy | personally I think the word processor is overkill for this device |
| 02:08:58 | BigBoss_busy | the CEO of Hancom liked our tkcEditor better :) |
| 02:08:58 | peanut | has a couple of questions |
| 02:09:16 | BigBoss_busy | make it quick - I'm gonna play Jr. Scrabble with my son :) |
| 02:09:19 | peanut | 1. i can't seem to delete things i draw |
| 02:09:33 | peanut | or at least not 100% |
| 02:09:41 | peanut | go play with your son.. |
| 02:09:49 | peanut | thats more important than my stupid questions.. |
| 02:09:51 | peanut | i'll ask you later |
| 02:12:07 | Fastolfe | Holy smokes VNC's going to be fast ! |
| 02:12:44 | ][N-Flux | Fastolfe: ??? |
| 02:13:21 | Fastolfe | I'm recoding parts of the VNC server in asm |
| 02:13:30 | BigBoss_busy | if you have questions on the tkc applications, send them to max@thekompany.com - he wrote all of them but Kapital (pradu@thekompany.com) so he can answer them |
| 02:13:30 | Fastolfe | and it's already screaming |
| 02:13:53 | peanut | thanx.. |
| 02:14:05 | Mallory | Fast: Kickass |
| 02:14:16 | Fastolfe | yessireebob |
| 02:14:41 | peanut | whats the deal (technically) with why we can't connect linux on the desktop with 1.1x |
| 02:14:53 | peanut | anyone have a pointer as to where to start to look.. |
| 02:15:31 | ljp | start looking at CDCEther |
| 02:24:11 | peanut | i have |
| 02:27:26 | sjohnson | is back (gone 01:09:40) |
| 02:30:35 | peanut | is looking forward to sharp mobile |
| 02:31:23 | ljp | Fastolfe: youre so cool, man... :) |
| 02:31:37 | Fastolfe | ljp: uh, okay thanks :) |
| 02:31:41 | Fastolfe | ljp: why is that btw ? |
| 02:32:03 | treke | Fastolfe : just curious, but what would the asm help? Isnt it limited by bandwidth mostly? |
| 02:32:09 | ljp | rewriting into asember... |
| 02:32:38 | treke | or is this a shits and gigles sort of thing? |
| 02:32:41 | Fastolfe | treke: the server wastes a ton of CPU watching the framebuffer |
| 02:32:48 | Fastolfe | treke: that's the real pisser |
| 02:32:50 | treke | ah |
| 02:33:13 | treke | I guess that could make sense |
| 02:33:14 | Fastolfe | so if I code a tigher loop, it's that much CPU badk to qtopia (which needs a ton ot it :) |
| 02:42:23 | fiferboy | Does anyone know why in the latest version of the qtopia sdk, all the text looks to big on my computer? |
| 02:42:26 | ][N-Flux | Fastolfe: Your insane man :) |
| 02:42:59 | Fastolfe | feels better now :) |
| 02:43:04 | Fastolfe | I didn't know that :) |
| 02:43:42 | ljp | tis fine here |
| 02:44:04 | fiferboy | Whenever I design a form, all the label text and button text looks huge and cut off. |
| 02:44:15 | fiferboy | But when I transfer the app to the Zaurus it looks fine. |
| 02:44:55 | ljp | are you using designer? |
| 02:45:18 | fiferboy | Yes. The designer that came with Mandrake 8.1 was fine, but the one for the contest is screwing up. |
| 02:47:03 | peanut | yawns |
| 02:49:29 | fiferboy | ljp: Does designer work okay for you? |
| 02:51:27 | WebInstinct | hey, gang! |
| 02:51:57 | WebInstinct | anyone else having problems with the new USB drivers? Or is it just me? |
| 02:52:46 | peanut | they don't work |
| 02:52:55 | peanut | thats why the rom(s) haven't been officially released |
| 02:53:03 | WebInstinct | whew! Glad to hear it |
| 02:53:20 | WebInstinct | so it's not me then. |
| 02:53:25 | WebInstinct | Thank you |
| 02:53:40 | WebInstinct | any word on when they'll fix them? |
| 02:54:11 | peanut | by monday i heard |
| 02:54:45 | scanline | is away: homework |
| 02:54:57 | ljp | heh- ya.. they've known since 1/08 that it didn't work... |
| 02:56:05 | nasa | Hopefully, they will address the problem with large file transfers |
| 03:01:17 | WebInstinct | All right. Thank you for the info. Good night, guys (and maybe girls)\ |
| 03:02:23 | peanut | thinks sharp should be commended |
| 03:02:31 | fiferboy | ljp: nice email reply... |
| 03:02:51 | ljp | heheheh |
| 03:03:11 | ljp | I swear.. people have been realy pissing me off lately. |
| 03:03:22 | ljp | No wonder Mitchy left the forum |
| 03:03:44 | peanut | whats wrong with the forums? |
| 03:03:51 | peanut | tries to help out those in real need |
| 03:04:00 | peanut | just too many ???s |
| 03:04:04 | fiferboy | I think it's terrible that the Zaurus (which isn't available to consumers yet) doesn't have software as stable as the Palm (which has been out for years and years) ;-) |
| 03:04:21 | peanut | fiferboy: what? |
| 03:04:22 | Mallory | heh, seriously! |
| 03:04:30 | Mallory | I saw that post and thought "don't feed the troll." |
| 03:04:35 | fiferboy | Some email a guy was sending out. |
| 03:04:41 | peanut | hehehehe |
| 03:04:46 | peanut | thats pretty funny |
| 03:05:12 | zacs | i'm very happy with my zaurus |
| 03:05:18 | ljp | me too. |
| 03:05:25 | peanut | as am i |
| 03:05:29 | fiferboy | Me too, whenever it syncs with Linux ;-) |
| 03:05:34 | zacs | i've got pptp done and a qpe configurator |
| 03:05:39 | ljp | especially with Fastolfe's creation! That's the bomb! |
| 03:05:40 | zacs | where do i send them? |
| 03:05:40 | peanut | its an on again off again.. |
| 03:05:41 | Aelfweld | I am as well with the eception of the fact the keyboard can't be extended in the cradle |
| 03:05:43 | peanut | like a love affair |
| 03:06:34 | zacs | anyone? :) |
| 03:06:49 | fiferboy | Send them for what? |
| 03:07:00 | zacs | for other people to use |
| 03:07:24 | zacs | is there some central zaurus site? |
| 03:07:30 | fiferboy | Post them on www.zauruszone.com |
| 03:07:43 | fiferboy | Under qtopia applications maybe. |
| 03:07:46 | ljp | what does the qpe configurator do? |
| 03:08:11 | zacs | ljp: it lets you input the parameters and launch the tunnel |
| 03:08:23 | zacs | i use it to vpn over my wireless link |
| 03:12:20 | Mallory | Doesn't PPTP require mppe to be in the kernel? |
| 03:14:59 | whardier | watches a baby gurgle in the distance |
| 03:15:14 | whardier | draws his gun |
| 03:15:23 | whardier | pops a gurgle bubble |
| 03:15:35 | peanut | only if you're using encryption |
| 03:15:56 | Mallory | So then it doesn't support encryption? |
| 03:15:58 | whardier | the encryption gun? |
| 03:16:07 | whardier | fires a round of PPTP at peanut |
| 03:16:17 | whardier | I want a pptp gun.. haha.. that would rule |
| 03:16:34 | whardier | wisper into its ear. then shoot somebody with "Take That Biznatch" ann encrypted |
| 03:16:43 | whardier | quilted onto TP rolls |
| 03:16:46 | peanut | pptp can support encryption.. (and if encryption is necessary, then you need mppe) |
| 03:17:05 | peanut | otherwise, you can run pptp without encryption (and therefore will not need mppe) |
| 03:17:38 | Mallory | Yes, so then basically your package does not support encryption then is what I'm asking. |
| 03:17:53 | peanut | you're talking to the wrong person.. |
| 03:18:03 | Mallory | Oh, good point :) |
| 03:18:08 | peanut | i am simply commenting on pptp and the need (or lack thereof) for mppe |
| 03:18:33 | Mallory | Yes, I know how PPTP and MPPE works... I was asking about an implemtation detail and thought you were the one who wrote it since I had /clear'd |
| 03:18:43 | peanut | ahh.. |
| 03:18:56 | peanut | thought you weren't clear.. |
| 03:19:07 | peanut | on pptp/mppe, sorry :) |
| 03:19:11 | Mallory | Na, I've backported MPPE from 2.4 to 2.2.20. I know all I ever want to know. :) |
| 03:19:14 | Mallory | PPTP is dir-t |
| 03:19:22 | peanut | you're telling me.. |
| 03:19:25 | peanut | its easy though.. |
| 03:19:34 | Mallory | I would like to get IPsec going on my Z someday. |
| 03:19:45 | Mallory | I have absolutely no need for it now, but the day that I got wireless I may. |
| 03:19:53 | peanut | hey jason! |
| 03:19:54 | Mallory | re j |
| 03:20:07 | JasonNJ | oompa loompa doopity doo. |
| 03:20:10 | peanut | so monday eh? |
| 03:20:17 | JasonNJ | well, see... |
| 03:20:25 | JasonNJ | they had some problems with the sync software and usb drivers |
| 03:20:30 | peanut | gobstoppers |
| 03:20:38 | Mallory | "they"? |
| 03:20:40 | peanut | hows lineo's driver coming |
| 03:20:42 | JasonNJ | we QA'ed it again after they tweaked it |
| 03:20:49 | peanut | so? 1.12? |
| 03:20:51 | JasonNJ | and now gave them permission to post it again |
| 03:21:03 | Mallory | Are you talking about the Windows USB drivers or the Linux one? |
| 03:21:17 | peanut | damn. a little under 2 hours to go for hancom.. |
| 03:21:23 | peanut | thinks its time to quit |
| 03:21:31 | Mallory | Peanut: I started mine at 10 and it didn't get done until 3 or so |
| 03:21:36 | Mallory | ( a few days ago ) |
| 03:21:38 | peanut | sheesh.. |
| 03:22:39 | fiferboy | where do you get the hancom preview? |
| 03:22:44 | peanut | from there website |
| 03:22:46 | peanut | their |
| 03:23:04 | peanut | its not a preview for the Z |
| 03:23:14 | peanut | its for the desktop |
| 03:23:21 | Mallory | It's their desktop which I was not very impressed with. |
| 03:23:28 | Mallory | The was horrible on the two .doc's I threw at it. |
| 03:23:50 | peanut | JasonNJ: just getting home now? |
| 03:24:14 | BigBoss_busy | so how is the desktop software coming? I haven't seen a working one in a while |
| 03:24:14 | JasonNJ | no been home for about an hour |
| 03:24:17 | JasonNJ | was out all evening |
| 03:24:36 | ljp | personally, I think the Z should ship with the vnc... |
| 03:25:19 | peanut | well thats good to hear.. sounds like we don't need to worry (yet) about you getting sick! |
| 03:25:32 | LarryElsewhere | Hey, Jason. |
| 03:25:42 | JasonNJ | heya larry |
| 03:25:46 | JasonNJ | make sure you download the new rom. |
| 03:25:48 | peanut | are we getting news usb drivers |
| 03:26:01 | LarryElsewhere | Already did, haven't installed yet. |
| 03:30:07 | peanut | yawns.. |
| 03:34:57 | peanut | agrees.. too many lamers on the forums.. |
| 03:35:07 | BigBoss_busy | jason: private message |
| 03:35:09 | peanut | TELL US ABOUT THE PIM ENHANCEMENTS. |
| 03:35:16 | peanut | hehehe |
| 03:35:25 | peanut | BigBoss_busy: are you sure its private? |
| 03:36:12 | LarryElsewhere | One thing I noticed: HTML email support. WHY????? |
| 03:36:22 | LarryElsewhere | I want it to reject HTML email automatically! :-) |
| 03:36:29 | peanut | because thats what the ms weenies switching over will want.. |
| 03:36:46 | peanut | i'm sure you'll see posts from people stating that if the email client didn't have that, it would fail |
| 03:36:50 | peanut | you know.. typical |
| 03:38:04 | Mallory | Larry: I said the same thing :) |
| 03:42:37 | LarryGarfield | At least give me the option to block all HTML email. |
| 03:42:50 | LarryGarfield | Or just show the text version of it. |
| 03:54:09 | scanline | is back (gone 00:59:24) |
| 04:05:49 | fifer-sleeping | is away: I'm busy |
| 04:06:10 | Mallory | yawn |
| 04:06:12 | Mallory | Wow, it's only 11 |
| 04:07:19 | Aelfweld | ok so is it better to get an mmc or sd card? |
| 04:09:17 | sjohnson | Aelfweld: Doesn't matter which. The SD cards will have more capacility than MMc. |
| 04:09:18 | LarryGarfield | For storage? Either works. |
| 04:09:32 | LarryGarfield | SD is a bit faster, but I've not benchmarked by how much. |
| 04:09:45 | Aelfweld | thanks o) |
| 04:10:08 | sjohnson | LarryGarfield: It's not appreciable. |
| 04:10:48 | v23_work | LarryGarfield: SD is faster?... It's much slower to me... |
| 04:11:40 | MEGASTeP | is away: I'm away, dammit |
| 04:11:45 | v23_work | oops, never mind... I should have read it first... |
| 04:21:17 | tux_mike | progress! |
| 04:21:43 | roge99 | tux_mike: yea ... what ? |
| 04:21:50 | tux_mike | qt stuff |
| 04:22:03 | roge99 | flashcards ? |
| 04:22:04 | tux_mike | i think i'm starting to get this stuff |
| 04:22:28 | tux_mike | nah, address book :) |
| 04:22:37 | roge99 | hey we got 50 ppl in here ! |
| 04:22:38 | tux_mike | flashcard is yesterday's program |
| 04:22:42 | roge99 | ahh |
| 04:22:49 | Mallory | kicks more.sbc.co.jp in the pipe |
| 04:23:20 | roge99 | finish it ? ( the flashcard pg ) |
| 04:23:34 | tux_mike | more or less. image handling doesn't work, but meh |
| 04:23:45 | roge99 | cool |
| 04:23:50 | tux_mike | i wasn't about to mess around with it any longer. |
| 04:24:21 | tux_mike | i decided to load everything into 2 parallel QStringLists and pick from there. |
| 04:24:30 | tux_mike | that seemed to be the easiest way to go |
| 04:25:38 | JasonNJ | anyone go to palmsource? |
| 04:25:48 | tux_mike | no, wazzat? |
| 04:25:48 | JasonNJ | I'm trying to get a copy of the CD they gave out |
| 04:25:55 | JasonNJ | has the OS 5 emulator on it |
| 04:26:00 | tux_mike | palm convention? |
| 04:26:15 | JasonNJ | yeah |
| 04:26:18 | peanut | palmos is dying.. |
| 04:26:30 | JasonNJ | well, I wouldnt underestimate them |
| 04:26:31 | roge99 | their stock is in the crapper |
| 04:26:42 | peanut | never underestimates anyone.. |
| 04:26:47 | JasonNJ | know thy enemy |
| 04:26:56 | peanut | but.. they are dying.. |
| 04:27:00 | peanut | they need a pill a big pill |
| 04:27:02 | peanut | to stop it :) |
| 04:27:09 | JasonNJ | sony is still one very dangerous company |
| 04:27:30 | tux_mike | they have the linuxstation going for them... i'll give them that. |
| 04:27:42 | peanut | sony is big |
| 04:28:34 | roge99 | JasonNJ: do you know if anyone is on the CDCEther module |
| 04:28:47 | tux_mike | the bigger they are the harder they are to infeltrate and bring down from the inside :) |
| 04:28:49 | peanut | thought lineo was |
| 04:29:02 | zacs | hey |
| 04:29:08 | zacs | can you upgrade the rom with SD? |
| 04:29:13 | roge99 | zacs: no |
| 04:29:13 | peanut | zacs: no. |
| 04:29:19 | zacs | doh |
| 04:29:22 | peanut | see XXXXXX number of posts |
| 04:29:36 | zacs | peanut: sorry... i'll go rtfm now :/ |
| 04:29:41 | peanut | see directions/instructions from sharp |
| 04:29:44 | peanut | zacs: its ok.. |
| 04:30:08 | w00t | hello |
| 04:30:21 | roge99 | hello |
| 04:31:05 | w00t | has anyone (including IBM) considered developing a VoiceRecg. using IBM Embedded ViaVoice for MultiPlatform SDK? |
| 04:31:16 | w00t | (for the Z of course) |
| 04:32:09 | w00t | the new ROM has the nice capabilities of recording voice, this would just be taking it one step (mind you one large step) further |
| 04:32:32 | roge99 | Hellaenergy: hey how ya doin |
| 04:32:48 | Hellaenergy | Hi roge99 Grrrreeeaaattt! |
| 04:33:07 | roge99 | what are you tony the tiger ? |
| 04:33:12 | Hellaenergy | And you? |
| 04:33:16 | roge99 | not bad |
| 04:33:22 | Hellaenergy | What cha workin on? |
| 04:33:29 | roge99 | nothing ! |
| 04:33:36 | Hellaenergy | Sounds nice |
| 04:33:39 | roge99 | taken a break tonight |
| 04:33:46 | Hellaenergy | Good for you :) |
| 04:33:57 | Hellaenergy | I am re-learning C |
| 04:34:05 | roge99 | good 4 you |
| 04:34:19 | roge99 | i need to do the same |
| 04:35:21 | Hellaenergy | I am going to buy that QT Programming 2nd Edition from Amazon right now. |
| 04:35:35 | Hellaenergy | I couldn't find it in any stores in Minneapolis :( |
| 04:35:35 | tux_mike | bah. we don't need no steenkin books |
| 04:36:03 | Hellaenergy | tux_mike: Speak for your self :) |
| 04:36:43 | tux_mike | all i need is to get the occasional question answered, a bunch of source code, and qtdoc.tuxnami.org :) |
| 04:36:54 | tux_mike | my personal mirror of the qpe docs :) |
| 04:37:16 | Hellaenergy | Oh I will check that out :) |
| 04:37:32 | tux_mike | it's the same stuff that's on doc.trolltech.com |
| 04:37:45 | w00t | um...2 quick questions please - doesnt the iPaq charger work with the Z? and which protected screen cover fits the best for the Z? |
| 04:38:26 | Hellaenergy | w00t: The ipaq screen covers |
| 04:38:37 | w00t | ok, thx |
| 04:38:56 | w00t | and the other question? do the iPaq chargers work with the Z? |
| 04:39:00 | tux_mike | woot: the ipaq one is said to work, but... be careful. make sure it has the proper mA rating |
| 04:39:08 | w00t | right |
| 04:39:10 | w00t | ok...thx |
| 04:39:36 | tux_mike | i wouldnt trust my Z to what some shmoe said on the internet :) |
| 04:39:47 | hughhalf | w00t: I got some of the belkin IPAQ ones, need to cut a couple of mm off the bottom and you're good to go |
| 04:39:48 | w00t | umm....where is the mA rating for the Z? |
| 04:39:57 | roge99 | w00t: more then mA rating make sure polarity and voltage are correct |
| 04:40:02 | tux_mike | it should be on the adaptor |
| 04:40:07 | w00t | hugh....yeah...i heard about the length problem |
| 04:40:12 | sjohnson | tux_mike: They work. I them interchangably |
| 04:40:22 | w00t | well....yeah...thats obvious roge |
| 04:40:25 | w00t | but thx |
| 04:40:27 | hughhalf | w00t: pair of scissors does the trick :) |
| 04:40:45 | w00t | hugh: yeup |
| 04:41:18 | w00t | looks like .27-.17A |
| 04:41:31 | tux_mike | sjohnson: i belive you. i just give out standard disclaimers when dealing with power thingies : |
| 04:41:36 | tux_mike | :) |
| 04:42:07 | w00t | hehe |
| 04:42:39 | hughhalf | General question, and pardon my ignorance, but can you actually get source to the "standard" built in apps, I'd like to do some mods to the Calendar app. |
| 04:42:46 | treke | yes |
| 04:42:56 | treke | qpe.sourceforge.net |
| 04:43:07 | hughhalf | treke: Thanks |
| 04:43:15 | treke | It might not be 100% identical, but close |
| 04:43:19 | ljp | http://opie.handhelds.org or http://sourceforge.net/projects/qpe |
| 04:44:15 | JasonNJ | interesting |
| 04:44:25 | JasonNJ | IBM is releasing a Linux transmeta pad |
| 04:44:36 | JasonNJ | ah |
| 04:44:39 | tux_mike | linux? |
| 04:44:41 | JasonNJ | its just a research unit |
| 04:44:44 | tux_mike | i thought it was XP |
| 04:44:47 | JasonNJ | not production |
| 04:44:50 | tux_mike | ah |
| 04:44:59 | JasonNJ | yes its xp |
| 04:45:00 | JasonNJ | not linux |
| 04:45:03 | JasonNJ | I misread |
| 04:45:03 | tux_mike | *phew* a little while before i have to buy :) |
| 04:45:07 | tux_mike | doh |
| 04:45:12 | tux_mike | not linux? :( |
| 04:47:09 | w00t | is there a CF RCA-out adapter card? |
| 04:47:18 | w00t | to output to a TV |
| 04:47:42 | roge99 | w00t: theres a vga one i think |
| 04:47:54 | w00t | ok |
| 04:48:18 | roge99 | w00t: dont think theres drivers for the z yet |
| 04:48:27 | w00t | k |
| 04:49:32 | peanut | speaking of hardware |
| 04:49:41 | peanut | would like a mini docking station for his Z |
| 04:50:16 | Mallory | cradle + fbvncserver |
| 04:50:35 | Mallory | With dongle hanging off the top for times like this when CDCEther is FUBAR :) |
| 04:51:01 | hughhalf | hopefully we'll get a USB cable as an alternative for the cradle - nice for travelling |
| 04:52:02 | w00t | yeah |
| 04:52:23 | w00t | are there any GPS devices working with the Z yet? |
| 04:53:04 | roge99 | hmm i set up the wlan card ad-hoc and and connected w/ my laptop instead of a cradle |
| 04:53:41 | roge99 | seemd to work good for travelling |
| 04:55:35 | hughhalf | roge99: Haven't picked up an 802.11 card yet but yeah, that's a nice option too. |
| 04:56:05 | w00t | pharos (http://www.pharosgps.com/products/accessories/ACCESSORIES.htm) has some interesting navigation CF devices |
| 04:56:10 | w00t | umm |
| 04:56:10 | w00t | http://www.pharosgps.com/products/accessories/ACCESSORIES.htm |
| 04:56:13 | roge99 | nat'd out 10/100 on the laptop and had net access as well |
| 04:57:44 | w00t | will a magnetic field harm or erase the data on the Z (or on the CF)? |
| 04:58:08 | w00t | or any PDA for that matter |
| 04:58:33 | hughhalf | w00t: Depends on how strong... |
| 04:59:07 | w00t | refridge magnet right behind (attached to the back of) the unit |
| 04:59:29 | JasonNJ | woot we are working on a couple. |
| 04:59:51 | w00t | i ask b/c pharos has a magnaholder thing for cars |
| 04:59:57 | Hellaenergy | Did you guys see this e-mail: I've had nothing but trouble with the Zaurus. |
| 04:59:57 | Hellaenergy | The hardware looks great but the software is a joke. |
| 04:59:57 | Hellaenergy | Come on the Palm apps are better, or at least more stable than |
| 04:59:57 | Hellaenergy | this Qtopia shit. The thing doesn't even keep the time |
| 04:59:57 | Hellaenergy | correctly. I am always having to reset the time. |
| 04:59:58 | Hellaenergy | So I appear top have completely screwed up the 1.11 ROM installation |
| 05:00:00 | Hellaenergy | and am quite pissed at this. I wish Sharp would let me return it, |
| 05:00:02 | Hellaenergy | because I'd do it in an instant. |
| 05:00:06 | Hellaenergy | This is one product that I will definitely go out of my way |
| 05:00:08 | Hellaenergy | not to recommend! |
| 05:00:10 | Hellaenergy | rjs |
| 05:00:24 | hughhalf | w00t: I'd imagine that would be OK |
| 05:00:24 | Hellaenergy | T |
| 05:00:26 | JasonNJ | whatever |
| 05:00:37 | Hellaenergy | What a punk |
| 05:00:43 | roge99 | idiot |
| 05:00:45 | JasonNJ | anyone who buys a developer unit and expects it to be a production |
| 05:00:47 | w00t | hehe |
| 05:00:51 | JasonNJ | PDA is a twit |
| 05:01:03 | Hellaenergy | He should give it to me :) |
| 05:01:13 | Hellaenergy | I'll buy it for 100 bucks |
| 05:01:15 | Mallory | Hella: Don't feed the troll |
| 05:01:25 | Hellaenergy | HAHAHAHAH |
| 05:02:09 | Mallory | http://www.apachelabs.org/lkml/200112.mbox/<E16DmIZ-0005JQ-00@the-village.bc.nu> |
| 05:03:52 | w00t | tux....do you have a car charger for ur Z, and if so, which one? |
| 05:04:04 | JasonNJ | oh great someone posted the URL to the QA page. |
| 05:04:10 | JasonNJ | mitchy is gonna have a cow. |
| 05:04:20 | peanut | i told you that last night.. |
| 05:04:21 | JasonNJ | god I wish he didnt put that page up for public viewing. |
| 05:04:38 | JasonNJ | I dont mind it being on the channel |
| 05:04:43 | JasonNJ | but on ZZ... |
| 05:04:46 | BigBoss_busy | well what's up with that? |
| 05:04:51 | JasonNJ | well, its not a official site |
| 05:04:55 | roge99 | i saw it on the list as well |
| 05:04:58 | JasonNJ | so not much I can do about it |
| 05:05:17 | JasonNJ | BigBoss: they were supposed to post it monday. |
| 05:05:28 | JasonNJ | but they found problems with the USB and sync software |
| 05:05:46 | JasonNJ | so they decided to delay posting it to the main page until they fixed the problems |
| 05:05:52 | JasonNJ | they sent us new software today |
| 05:05:55 | JasonNJ | we QA'ed it |
| 05:06:00 | JasonNJ | I gave mitchy the OK to post |
| 05:06:08 | JasonNJ | so now I am kinda waiting for him. |
| 05:06:15 | peanut | so it might happen tonight? |
| 05:06:18 | JasonNJ | so I can make an official statement for sharp usa |
| 05:06:23 | JasonNJ | god I hope so. |
| 05:06:38 | peanut | it won't be another rom? just new usb/sync stuff yes? |
| 05:06:49 | roge99 | they need to release more often |
| 05:07:07 | roge99 | thats what betas are for |
| 05:07:47 | roge99 | more ppl beatin on it the more bugs that will be found *before* the consumer version |
| 05:08:19 | NeoTron | is. |
| 05:08:59 | Hellaenergy | roge99: I hear that |
| 05:10:01 | JasonNJ | alrighty sleepy time for me |
| 05:10:06 | roge99 | if the consumer version is gona take off it needs to be solid |
| 05:10:11 | hughhalf | nods |
| 05:10:12 | roge99 | nite jason |
| 05:10:17 | peanut | see ya |
| 05:10:26 | Mallory | Yeah, but that's easier said then done. |
| 05:10:30 | Mallory | (release early, release often) |
| 05:10:52 | roge99 | i agree (release early, release often) |
| 05:11:02 | roge99 | if its buggy oh well |
| 05:11:18 | Mallory | Yes, but then we get more trolls like the one today. |
| 05:11:22 | Mallory | People bitch and moan. |
| 05:11:23 | roge99 | we'll fix it and send em patches |
| 05:11:27 | Mallory | Sometimes it has the reverse effect that you'd expect. |
| 05:11:29 | roge99 | screw em |
| 05:11:42 | roge99 | its DEVELOPMENT HARDWARE |
| 05:11:47 | Mallory | You're also talking about a big company (Sharp) that probably hasn't totally welcomed Open Source yet. |
| 05:11:49 | peanut | mallory is right... its not that simple.. |
| 05:11:53 | Mallory | (emphesis on Totally) |
| 05:12:08 | roge99 | yea i know |
| 05:12:09 | peanut | just because its a development model doesn't mean x number of people will respect that |
| 05:12:12 | Mallory | Sharp also has an image to uphold. |
| 05:12:22 | dkl | Were the units supposed to come with a mic/headphone combo or does that need to be purchased separately? |
| 05:12:22 | roge99 | im just pissen and moanen |
| 05:12:23 | NeoTron | people always whine, and unfortunately a few people sometimes ruin things for the rest of us |
| 05:12:23 | BigBoss_busy | sharp has an excellent reputation for bug free software |
| 05:12:25 | Mallory | If they release ONE really buggy rom out of 100, that's the ROM that people will bitch about. |
| 05:12:40 | Mallory | BigBoss: Amen |
| 05:12:54 | hughhalf | dkl: Separate AFAIK |
| 05:12:57 | peanut | hey.. think about palmos |
| 05:13:03 | peanut | how many releases have they had |
| 05:13:10 | w00t | actually dkl |
| 05:13:12 | JasonNJ | bigboss I would describe their QA process as paranoid |
| 05:13:15 | w00t | u can use just speakers |
| 05:13:18 | w00t | no mic is needed |
| 05:13:29 | Mallory | As it well should be otherwise it's not really QA. |
| 05:13:32 | roge99 | i totally agree for production units |
| 05:13:45 | roge99 | but we all signed up on the dev site |
| 05:13:49 | w00t | its not as good quality as using a mic, but very close |
| 05:13:57 | Mallory | Jason: Approx. how many people are working on the SL-5* projects if you don't mind my asking? |
| 05:14:19 | JasonNJ | its a rather large engineering group |
| 05:14:21 | w00t | also speakers arent as sensitive as mics |
| 05:14:35 | dkl | Are there list of supported mic/headphones that would work or should a generic handsfree set suffice? |
| 05:14:38 | JasonNJ | an entire factory is dedicated to it |
| 05:14:46 | w00t | but if u talk into the speakers the vibrations in the cones induce currents, sent back the Z |
| 05:15:19 | w00t | but, to answer ur question, yes, a generic handsfree set will do fine |
| 05:15:21 | hughhalf | Are you guys aware of any specific work efforts/projects on the calendar app or is it just bundled up with the o/all qpe stuff ? |
| 05:15:22 | dkl | JasonNJ: how many people to do estimate are working on the Zaurus as their primary project? |
| 05:15:51 | JasonNJ | I dont have that info on hand unfortunatley |
| 05:15:55 | JasonNJ | but its a big number |
| 05:15:59 | dkl | ok |
| 05:15:59 | NeoTron | ciik |
| 05:16:00 | JasonNJ | like over 50 |
| 05:16:00 | NeoTron | oops |
| 05:16:02 | NeoTron | cool even |
| 05:16:22 | JasonNJ | thats -engineering- |
| 05:16:27 | JasonNJ | just the hardware |
| 05:16:27 | dkl | that is more than we have dedicated to embedded stuff altogether here where I work |
| 05:16:43 | JasonNJ | now remember Lineo and Trolltech are on this project with serious priority |
| 05:17:00 | roge99 | JasonNJ: how many on QA for the software ? |
| 05:17:11 | dkl | That definitely helps it chances of being a success |
| 05:17:13 | JasonNJ | thats actually a smaller team |
| 05:17:32 | peanut | JasonNJ: while you're answering questions, whats your mothers maiden name and your SSN |
| 05:17:37 | peanut | grins.. |
| 05:17:37 | Hellaenergy | Do people here like QT in general? |
| 05:17:37 | JasonNJ | but it includes our team in the us, japan and at lineo and troll |
| 05:17:40 | dkl | QA is my dept and I have seen that QA is usually the smallest dept in most software companies |
| 05:17:44 | peanut | these are sensitive questions people.. |
| 05:17:47 | BigBoss_busy | I love Qt - it rocks |
| 05:17:49 | peanut | best not asked |
| 05:17:54 | BigBoss_busy | I just wish TT was more responsive |
| 05:18:09 | BigBoss_busy | I know Lineo has an engineering team doing QA and fixes as well |
| 05:18:13 | NeoTron | I do, being rather new to it. As a developer, the API is wonderful |
| 05:18:21 | JasonNJ | let me put it in perspective, the zaurus team is the only team in the company that wears what we call "gold badges" |
| 05:18:28 | Hellaenergy | Does stuff accally compile clean for x platforms? |
| 05:18:30 | JasonNJ | that is the personal elite force of the CEO of Sharp. |
| 05:18:42 | hughhalf | JasonNJ: Sweet |
| 05:18:43 | Mallory | heh |
| 05:18:45 | w00t | the delta force of Sharp |
| 05:18:54 | BigBoss_busy | I know Sharp is taking this very seriously |
| 05:19:03 | hughhalf | hums suitably dramatic background music |
| 05:19:03 | dkl | It is nice to see the CEO so enthusiastic about this project |
| 05:19:06 | JasonNJ | in Japan, that means anyone wearing a gold badge can take aside anyone in the company, no matter what they are doing, and they have to drop what they are doing to help them |
| 05:19:11 | BigBoss_busy | as far as I can tell, this is their "greeting card" to the US of killer electronics for the new age |
| 05:19:13 | w00t | (ever played df land warrior? ....i like it a lot) |
| 05:19:25 | NeoTron | Hellaenergy: there's always problems you don't count with, but if you stick with QT functionality and avoid OS specific calls I'm sure it'll generally compile. |
| 05:19:34 | dkl | JasonNJ: do you work in a Sharp office or are you a remotee? |
| 05:19:54 | NeoTron | however differences and compilers and compiler support might break things. like *cough*MSVC++*cough* |
| 05:20:12 | JasonNJ | as of monday of this week I became Developer Program Liason and Software Manager for the Mobile Products Division. |
| 05:20:12 | NeoTron | JasonNJ: heh. that's like kickass. :-) |
| 05:20:22 | JasonNJ | that means I work in Sharp HQ. |
| 05:20:30 | JasonNJ | and it also means I have to be at work at 9am. |
| 05:20:31 | JasonNJ | niters, |
| 05:20:35 | dkl | that sux |
| 05:20:39 | dkl | nite |
| 05:20:41 | NeoTron | gnite |
| 05:20:42 | hughhalf | nite |
| 05:21:12 | roge99 | later jason |
| 05:22:01 | Mallory | Having to be at work at a certain time sucks, I'm glad I don't have to. |
| 05:22:12 | roge99 | i agree |
| 05:22:48 | peanut | tivo2 has already sold out.. |
| 05:22:49 | peanut | sweet |
| 05:24:43 | w00t | is teh Z capable of writing to the CF slot at 2.8MBps, assuming I have a CF card that supports 2.8 (ie Ultra)? |
| 05:29:20 | Hellaenergy | peanut: what is tivo2? |
| 05:29:58 | Hellaenergy | w00t: dono |
| 05:29:58 | Hellaenergy | try it :) |
| 05:30:48 | peanut | 2nd generation of tivo |
| 05:31:03 | peanut | 60 hours standard |
| 05:31:05 | peanut | 2 usb ports |
| 05:32:15 | peanut | pwd |
| 05:37:14 | peanut | hrmm.. most of the hancom apps segfault for me.. |
| 05:42:12 | BigBoss_busy | where? |
| 05:42:53 | BigBoss_busy | on linux? |
| 05:42:59 | roge99 | nite everybody |
| 05:43:01 | BigBoss_busy | I haven't seen any segfaults |
| 05:43:04 | roge99 | off to bed |
| 05:43:45 | roge99_sleep | is away: zzZZzZZzzZ |
| 05:43:48 | peanut | word and presenter won't start |
| 05:43:58 | BigBoss_busy | word 5.2 or 6? |
| 05:44:11 | Mallory | I had to tweak word |
| 05:44:14 | Mallory | Something with the language |
| 05:44:28 | Hellaenergy | night roge99 :) |
| 05:45:34 | Mallory | I can't remember what the hell I changed |
| 05:45:49 | Mallory | Here we go |
| 05:45:58 | Mallory | In /usr/local/HancomOffice2/Common/hcoffice_init |
| 05:46:08 | Mallory | Line 130 |
| 05:46:12 | Mallory | eng) |
| 05:46:12 | Mallory | "$H_PATH"/lib/setlang e |
| 05:46:12 | Mallory | # export LANG=ko_KR.eucKR |
| 05:46:12 | Mallory | # export LC_ALL=ko_KR.eucKR |
| 05:46:12 | Mallory | export LANG=en |
| 05:46:12 | Mallory | export LC_ALL=en |
| 05:48:28 | peanut | bingo |
| 05:48:47 | peanut | word works now.. |
| 05:48:51 | peanut | but still no presenter |
| 05:49:34 | Mallory | presenter loads for me |
| 05:49:54 | NeoTron | peanut: have you read about ReplayTV 400? Up to 320 hrs of capacity, plus broadbad enabled |
| 05:50:02 | peanut | yup. |
| 05:50:04 | BigBoss_busy | what is happening with presenter? |
| 05:50:10 | peanut | 2g though for the 320hr |
| 05:50:16 | BigBoss_busy | did you try to run from a command line? |
| 05:50:16 | NeoTron | no monthly fees, plus you can send shows to other RTV's in your house or even send shows to friends over the internet |
| 05:50:30 | peanut | /usr/bin/hcoffice_init: line 171: 3070 Segmentation fault "$H_PATH"/"$3" "$4" "$5" "$6" "$7" |
| 05:50:34 | NeoTron | peanut: right, it's NOT cheap :) |
| 05:50:40 | Mallory | eww |
| 05:51:09 | Mallory | what is $H_PATH set to? |
| 05:51:14 | Mallory | export HCOFFICE_HOME="/usr/local/HancomOffice2" |
| 05:51:17 | Mallory | export H_PATH="$HCOFFICE_HOME"/"$1" |
| 05:51:22 | peanut | set |
| 05:52:40 | peanut | nada |
| 05:52:49 | peanut | is falling asleep at the wheel here. |
| 05:52:54 | peanut | almost time to crash. |
| 05:53:13 | Hellaenergy | Somebody is selling a Zarus SL-5000D Tee shirt |
| 05:53:14 | NeoTron | peanut: wow, driving and IRCing! |
| 05:53:16 | Hellaenergy | http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1330763758#DESC |
| 05:53:21 | NeoTron | Hellaenergy: yah, noticed that. :P |
| 05:53:47 | peanut | anyone can make tshirts |
| 05:53:49 | Hellaenergy | I think it looks weak too |
| 05:54:03 | peanut | is it that cafe thing |
| 05:54:12 | Hellaenergy | at least they could do a good job :/ |
| 05:54:32 | Mallory | wow, EasyDB looks promising |
| 05:54:53 | Hellaenergy | What is the Pengwin bustin out of? |
| 05:55:11 | roge99_sleep | thats the one from lwe |
| 05:55:32 | Hellaenergy | Go back to sleep roge99 :) |
| 05:55:39 | roge99_sleep | sorry |
| 05:55:40 | Hellaenergy | Your a mad man |
| 05:55:58 | roge99_sleep | i got one of those shirts |
| 05:56:14 | Hellaenergy | Gona sell it on E-bay? |
| 05:56:18 | roge99_sleep | naa |
| 05:56:22 | Hellaenergy | jk |
| 05:56:32 | roge99_sleep | i live in free tshirts |
| 05:56:50 | peanut | easydb doesn't work either for me :( |
| 05:57:13 | peanut | check that.. |
| 05:57:15 | peanut | it works fine.. |
| 05:57:32 | peanut | i had to unset the H_PATH and HOFFICE |
| 06:01:33 | Mallory | What driver does the Z use for it's touchscrren? ucb1200_ts? |
| 06:02:09 | kend-zaur | re |
| 06:02:32 | BigBoss_busy | peanut: where did you get HO from? |
| 06:02:38 | BigBoss_busy | did you use the installer |
| 06:02:41 | peanut | yes |
| 06:02:53 | peanut | dl'd from hancom |
| 06:03:04 | BigBoss_busy | so what isn't working now |
| 06:03:07 | kend-zaur | hey bb |
| 06:03:18 | BigBoss_busy | hey kendrick |
| 06:03:40 | peanut | /me needs sleep now. |
| 06:03:44 | peanut | night all |
| 06:04:00 | kend-zaur | so will i get a free upgrade when a new ver. of mahjongg comes out? |
| 06:04:05 | BigBoss_busy | yep |
| 06:05:00 | kend-zaur | anyone know if i backup under 1/08, can i restore under 1.11? |
| 06:05:35 | kend-zaur | bb - eeexcellent |
| 06:05:51 | Hellaenergy | Make sure you don't have anything fast loaded |
| 06:05:58 | kend-zaur | kewl |
| 06:06:01 | Mallory | I assume new versions will be annonce on the announce list? |
| 06:06:05 | kend-zaur | runs off to upgrade :) |
| 06:06:12 | kend-zaur | byebye wish me luck! |
| 06:06:26 | Mallory | hmm, hunger |
| 06:06:33 | Hellaenergy | Good night yall |
| 06:06:50 | Hellaenergy | Get some sleep!! Sleep is good :) |
| 06:07:02 | Mallory | I can sleep when I die. :) |
| 06:07:20 | Mallory | I'm up all night tonight for a meeting at 9:30a tommorrow THEN i get to go home and sleep. |
| 06:07:43 | Hella_sleepin | You choose your own adventure :) |
| 06:07:48 | Mallory | amen! |
| 06:21:16 | scribe | any trolltech guys around? |
| 06:22:00 | scribe | I can't seem to get unicode chars to display in QTextView |
| 06:22:28 | kendrick2 | re |
| 06:22:35 | kendrick2 | prepares to upgrade rom <gulp!> |
| 06:22:47 | NeoTron | woops |
| 06:22:57 | NeoTron | accidently include the .cpp file instead of the .hpp file |
| 06:23:01 | Fastolfe | holy CRAP it's screaming !! |
| 06:23:10 | kendrick2 | what is? |
| 06:23:17 | Mallory | Your assembly hotrodding? |
| 06:23:20 | Fastolfe | the new optimized VNC server |
| 06:23:40 | Mallory | hi5's Fastolfe |
| 06:23:40 | Fastolfe | colors are wrong still, but the Java demos go twice as fast |
| 06:23:49 | Mallory | eww, Java :) |
| 06:23:50 | Fastolfe | tx mallory |
| 06:24:02 | Fastolfe | I know, but they do stress the display :) |
| 06:24:04 | Mallory | If you get a beta done tonight I'll test it for ya |
| 06:24:09 | Fastolfe | I should |
| 06:24:17 | Mallory | True, Java is good for testing load like that :) |
| 06:24:27 | Fastolfe | the CPU usage has gone down too |
| 06:24:30 | Fastolfe | 3 times less |
| 06:24:34 | kendrick2 | nifty |
| 06:24:40 | Mallory | It really makes that much of a difference? |
| 06:24:41 | Fastolfe | yessireebob |
| 06:24:48 | Fastolfe | gcc is a turd compiler |
| 06:24:53 | kendrick2 | :^( |
| 06:24:59 | kendrick2 | you're making baby rms cry |
| 06:25:02 | Mallory | heh, that's .sig material |
| 06:25:14 | Mallory | kendrick: He's still crying over GNOME going .NET :) |
| 06:25:17 | kendrick2 | what comp. you using? |
| 06:25:19 | Fastolfe | I mean it's good, but it's good like a toyota camry on a racetrack |
| 06:25:19 | kendrick2 | mall - hahah |
| 06:25:22 | Mallory | Dunno if he has any tears left |
| 06:25:27 | kendrick2 | sits back in his nice shiny comfortable new KDE2 env. :) |
| 06:25:49 | Mallory | hugs his dektop environment-less WindowMaker. |
| 06:26:07 | Fastolfe | you're messed up man :) |
| 06:26:26 | kendrick2 | so the readme.txt for the ROM says something like "make sure no other files are in the root of the CF card" |
| 06:26:33 | kendrick2 | is that REALLY necessary??? |
| 06:26:37 | Mallory | It was funny, at the expo my gf was playing with KDE saying "This is easy! I can USE this!" to which I responded "Do you really think I'd make you use WindowMaker when I get you using Linux full-time?" |
| 06:27:10 | kendrick2 | my gf uses gnome |
| 06:27:22 | kendrick2 | then again, she knows unix commands... it's not like they're hard to learn. sheesh! |
| 06:27:47 | Mallory | My gf is learning Linux little by little. She'll learn more when we move in and there isn't Windows in site |
| 06:29:31 | kendrick2 | crap - need power supply |
| 06:30:16 | kendrick2 | woah - i flipped the battery lock switch right as it was rebooting (before the frontlight came on), and i've got a "LINUX [tux]" image stuck on my LCD! woah! |
| 06:30:36 | kendrick2 | shit! took batt complete out, same! |
| 06:31:55 | Fastolfe | optimizes like crazy |
| 06:33:53 | kendrick2 | should i remove my sd card while upgrading? |
| 06:36:08 | kendrick2 | here we go |
| 06:36:12 | kendrick2 | hopes to god this works! |
| 06:36:39 | Fastolfe | says a lil' prayer for kendrick |
| 06:36:51 | kendrick2 | i just hope i dont lose all my data ;) |
| 06:37:06 | kendrick2 | (i backed up using the tool, and also did a cp -Ra of Applications onto SD card :) ) |
| 06:39:22 | kendrick2 | ~/me should make a sdl game for the google contest |
| 06:39:28 | kendrick2 | webpage blaster :) hehe |
| 06:39:37 | kendrick2 | so my green lite went out, but orange still on... is it done? |
| 06:40:03 | Fastolfe | whips his code faster faster faster |
| 06:40:08 | kendrick2 | allo |
| 06:40:13 | Fastolfe | dunno man |
| 06:40:18 | kendrick2 | bah! useless |
| 06:40:23 | Fastolfe | :) |
| 06:40:23 | kendrick2 | all you're good for is x11 and vnc :^P |
| 06:40:30 | Fastolfe | is a computer idiot |
| 06:41:04 | kendrick2 | hey! tux replaced with sharp! |
| 06:41:06 | kendrick2 | fooey! :) |
| 06:41:21 | kendrick2 | crap - got to take friend back home |
| 06:44:15 | Mallory | Nice, found $11 buried in papers on my desk. |
| 06:44:20 | Fastolfe | lol |
| 06:44:25 | Mallory | Yeah, I'm kinda pissed that tux is gone. |
| 06:44:30 | kend2-afk | seems faster. |
| 06:44:31 | kend2-afk | nifty |
| 06:44:34 | Fastolfe | if you have more paper lying around, I'd be happy to come clean |
| 06:44:59 | Mallory | heh, it's funny that papers are like a backwards chronology since when you last cleaned. |
| 06:45:13 | Mallory | When you get to the bottom you're like "damn, I forgot to do that." |
| 06:45:16 | rospahr | chatting with vnc and the tkcjabber client.. just because i can |
| 06:45:18 | kend2-afk | restarts qtopia to see if all the apps he installed on sd are still there.... |
| 06:45:20 | Fastolfe | :) |
| 06:45:28 | Mallory | heh, I haven't used the jabber client yet |
| 06:45:33 | Mallory | I've always used IRC. How do you use jabber? |
| 06:45:47 | rospahr | the jabber client has an irc transport |
| 06:45:48 | Mallory | s/Irc/Zic/ |
| 06:45:50 | kend2-afk | crap :( |
| 06:46:41 | BigBoss_busy | isn't tkcjabber cool? :) |
| 06:46:56 | rospahr | so I am on my Tibook running yellowdog linux vncing into my zaurus that is in the other room.. and chatting with tkcjabber |
| 06:47:01 | rospahr | and tkcjabber rocks |
| 06:47:10 | BigBoss_busy | now that is cool :) |
| 06:47:35 | rospahr | yeah..and I need a life :-) |
| 06:48:26 | Mallory | heh |
| 06:48:55 | Mallory | http://www.dir-t.org/gallery/zaurus/aaj |
| 06:53:22 | Mallory | Okay, how do I get on IRC from Jabber? |
| 06:53:47 | BigBoss_busy | select IRC as your transport |
| 06:53:52 | BigBoss_busy | there is a icon on the top |
| 06:53:56 | BigBoss_busy | 3 computers |
| 06:54:09 | BigBoss_busy | I think it is hard coded to this channel and a fixed name at the moment |
| 06:54:10 | Trisk[awaay] | and use a real IRC client :P |
| 06:54:20 | BigBoss_busy | the IRC transport from jabber.org is funky |
| 06:55:00 | BigBoss_busy | it needs to be rewritten |
| 06:59:10 | Mallory | oh tehre we go |
| 06:59:15 | Mallory | I've never used jabber before :) |
| 06:59:34 | Guest | d'oh |
| 06:59:51 | Mallory | Yeah, this is cool |
| 07:01:10 | Mallory | I haven't used IM since I was in college. |
| 07:01:18 | Mallory | wonders if he still has an account |
| 07:25:59 | NeoTron | hmm |
| 07:27:09 | NeoTron | cool. Custom resize dialog works |
| 07:32:56 | NeoTron | wow. buying QT is EXPENSIVE |
| 07:33:35 | Fastolfe | sure is |
| 07:33:45 | Fastolfe | we know a thing or two about that here :) |
| 07:33:48 | NeoTron | I guess the free commercial qte license is pretty nice then |
| 07:33:53 | NeoTron | where do you work? |
| 07:33:56 | Fastolfe | lineo |
| 07:34:10 | NeoTron | ah, you work there too |
| 07:34:16 | Fastolfe | yep |
| 07:35:07 | NeoTron | where are you? |
| 07:35:14 | Fastolfe | in my cubicle :) |
| 07:35:16 | Fastolfe | (sorry) |
| 07:35:18 | Fastolfe | in UT |
| 07:35:21 | NeoTron | I meant, the company. :-PP |
| 07:35:30 | Fastolfe | Utah |
| 07:35:46 | NeoTron | yah |
| 07:35:56 | Fastolfe | brb coffee is ready |
| 07:35:58 | NeoTron | too bad all fun companies aren't here (WA) |
| 07:36:16 | MSpin | hehe |
| 07:36:28 | MSpin | NeoTron: now I jsut need a job at one of those fun companies |
| 07:36:37 | NeoTron | something like that. :P |
| 07:37:06 | MSpin | I'm supposed to me interviewing with the WinCE group at MS comming up..heheh |
| 07:37:53 | NeoTron | Phear that. :-P |
| 07:38:13 | MSpin | yeah... |
| 07:38:25 | MSpin | atleast it'd just be a internal tools positioin |
| 07:38:52 | NeoTron | reads the qt source./ |
| 07:43:17 | kendrick2 | re |
| 07:43:23 | kendrick2 | restores... sees if data is back |
| 07:44:35 | kendrick2 | cool! |
| 07:44:40 | kendrick2 | apps from sd card are back, too :) |
| 07:45:06 | kendrick2 | how do i get rid of this hancom junk??? |
| 07:48:06 | kendrick2 | interesting.. do any apps have "Fast load" any more!?!? |
| 07:48:36 | NeoTron | dammit! can't figure out how to control those little title bad buttons |
| 07:48:39 | NeoTron | s/bad/bar/ |
| 07:51:32 | kendrick2 | anyone seen jason? |
| 07:51:42 | NeoTron | sugar heard jason |
| 07:51:42 | Sugar | NeoTron: Sorry, I haven't heard jason |
| 07:51:49 | NeoTron | oops |
| 07:52:14 | NeoTron | sugar heard jasonnj |
| 07:52:14 | Sugar | NeoTron: I last heard jasonnj on IRC 2h 31m 42s ago in channel #zaurus saying: niters, |
| 07:52:22 | kendrick2 | damn |
| 07:52:41 | kendrick2 | anyone here upgrade from the 1-08 rom? |
| 07:55:45 | kendrick2 | damn |
| 08:00:30 | kendrick2 | brb |
| 08:10:53 | Mallory | yummy, Cadbury Creme Egg |
| 08:13:40 | kendrick2 | hmm.. suspending/unsuspending VERY slowly :( |
| 08:32:38 | NeoTron | cool! |
| 08:32:50 | NeoTron | added keyboard (i.e the d-pad on the Z) game play |
| 08:33:02 | kendrick2 | nifty |
| 08:38:58 | NeoTron | yeps. works nicely. :) |
| 08:41:45 | Fastolfe | My god that assembler code has become disgusting now |
| 08:41:53 | Mallory | heh |
| 08:42:07 | Fastolfe | it's too optimized, it's unreadable even with comments |
| 08:42:09 | Fastolfe | gee |
| 08:42:18 | Fastolfe | better finish it before I forget what it does :) |
| 08:42:40 | NeoTron | :) |
| 08:53:11 | NeoTron | goes to bed. |
| 08:53:23 | NeoTron | is away: ZZzZZzzzZzz.. |
| 11:08:20 | scanline | is away: I'm busy |
| 11:08:24 | scanline | is back (gone 00:00:04) |
| 11:17:44 | Fastolfe | presto, new release |
| 12:41:09 | scanline | is away: standing in the wet room |
| 13:12:46 | scanline | is back (gone 00:31:37) |
| 14:13:14 | scanline | is away: pseudobreakfast |
| 14:32:23 | scanline | is back (gone 00:19:09) |
| 14:55:33 | weimer | is away: I'm busy |
| 15:00:13 | roge99_sleep | is back (gone 09:16:28) |
| 15:00:31 | roge99 | mornin all |
| 15:00:36 | treke | mornin |
| 15:01:34 | jperlow-sharp | mornin |
| 15:03:09 | kergoth`work | morning |
| 15:17:05 | BigBoss | Jason - are you actually here? |
| 15:17:33 | BigBoss | icefox: still no fax |
| 15:19:01 | roge99 | morning BB .. jason was here around 15 min ago |
| 15:24:07 | CosmicPenguin | is away: Uh, oh.. the weasel got out again... |
| 15:24:18 | CosmicPenguin | is back (gone 00:00:10) |
| 15:25:25 | gillus | BigBoss: Does the tkc editor accepts custom highlighting ? |
| 15:25:56 | jperlow-sharp | this is wicked, I am actually using tkcjabber as my desktop IM program by having my zaurus viewable thru vnc |
| 15:26:39 | jasonnj-z | kewl. |
| 15:47:41 | peanut | hrmm.. |
| 15:47:49 | peanut | BigBoss: is it possible to install to an sd card? |
| 15:48:09 | peanut | ipkg says "something went wrong" sorry |
| 15:52:07 | roge99 | peanut: install all the apps to the sd card before the common app |
| 15:52:34 | roge99 | peanut: the only one that dosnt go is the jabber client |
| 15:52:48 | peanut | merci |
| 15:52:56 | roge99 | no prob |
| 15:54:02 | peanut | is jabber because it loads in the bar? |
| 15:54:56 | BigBoss | gillus: not yet |
| 15:55:12 | BigBoss | sorry for the delayed reply |
| 15:55:49 | BigBoss | peanut: it should, but you have to install qpe-jabber into ROM first |
| 15:56:04 | BigBoss | jason: are you using tkcjabber right now |
| 15:56:05 | BigBoss | ? |
| 15:56:19 | BigBoss | or maybe you install it second |
| 15:56:35 | BigBoss | woops |
| 15:56:44 | BigBoss | finally read what you guys were writing :) |
| 15:56:55 | BigBoss | d |
| 15:57:03 | BigBoss | ping? |
| 15:57:41 | treke | hmmm interesting ip |
| 15:58:24 | peanut | wait.. |
| 15:58:43 | peanut | i installed everything except the common onto sd |
| 15:58:49 | peanut | i installed jabber on ram |
| 15:58:56 | peanut | then i tried to install the common onto sd and it failed |
| 15:59:26 | peanut | i don't mind installing to ram |
| 15:59:34 | peanut | i'm just trying to save space since i'm using 1.11 |
| 16:03:30 | BigBoss | common needs to go to ram |
| 16:03:37 | jperlow-sharp | heya bigboss. |
| 16:03:44 | BigBoss | hey jason |
| 16:03:51 | BigBoss | I just forwarded you an email to your hotmail account |
| 16:04:28 | roge99 | peanut: sorry i forgot about common |
| 16:04:47 | BigBoss | i'm told that common needs to go last if you are installing to SD, but I don't know why |
| 16:04:54 | BigBoss | we don't have an SD in house to play with yet |
| 16:05:16 | peanut | so common and jabber need to go to sd |
| 16:05:33 | peanut | ok.. |
| 16:05:34 | kergoth`work | re |
| 16:05:39 | peanut | just wanted to make sure.. |
| 16:05:40 | kergoth`work | peanut: s/sd/ram/ |
| 16:05:44 | kergoth`work | ? |
| 16:05:44 | kergoth`work | heh |
| 16:05:47 | roge99 | peanut: yep |
| 16:05:49 | BigBoss | ram |
| 16:05:54 | peanut | kergoth`work: oops.. yes |
| 16:06:00 | kergoth`work | :-) |
| 16:06:01 | peanut | didn't get enough sleep last night.. |
| 16:06:06 | peanut | 4 hours is not enough |
| 16:06:47 | kergoth`work | eh that sucks |
| 16:07:06 | peanut | yes it does |
| 16:08:52 | peanut | laughs.. |
| 16:09:09 | bipolar | is back (gone 19:08:39) |
| 16:09:27 | roge99 | bipolar: hey how ya doin |
| 16:10:03 | peanut | i think its funny how many people bother to look to find 1.1x |
| 16:10:12 | peanut | but yet, don't read to see that you can't connect with linux |
| 16:10:17 | kergoth`work | indeed |
| 16:10:30 | roge99 | someone posted a link to the mailing list |
| 16:11:12 | peanut | its actually very funny.. |
| 16:11:12 | Mallory | Hrmph, okay, I have a real problem. My touch screen stopped working and I can't suspend it. |
| 16:11:23 | peanut | soft reset? |
| 16:11:45 | peanut | i.e. "replace battery" |
| 16:11:45 | Mallory | You mean flipping the switch on the back? |
| 16:11:50 | Mallory | Yeah, same thing |
| 16:11:56 | bipolar | roge99: hi |
| 16:12:02 | peanut | yes.. thats what i mean.. did you try that |
| 16:12:17 | peanut | some of these people are reallly funny.. |
| 16:12:28 | peanut | won't name names to protect the "innocent" |
| 16:12:30 | Mallory | The buttons still work though |
| 16:12:32 | roge99 | I'll bet that all the people bitch-n-moanin bought there units at LWE not really understanding they bought development units |
| 16:12:50 | peanut | roge99: thats probably fair to some degree |
| 16:12:59 | peanut | but doesn't the box say developer model? |
| 16:13:04 | peanut | doesn't remember.. |
| 16:13:22 | treke | peanut : since when do people read before they buy something? |
| 16:13:26 | roge99 | maybe not such a good idea to sell them there |
| 16:13:29 | Mallory | Hmm, inetd isn't starting |
| 16:13:40 | peanut | learned the hard way.. |
| 16:13:43 | peanut | read before you sign. |
| 16:13:52 | peanut | even your mortgage papers.. |
| 16:13:57 | peanut | it might take 3 hours.. but read them.. |
| 16:14:06 | roge99 | yep |
| 16:14:10 | treke | that and people tend to look at the developer model as aquick way to get the zaurus early |
| 16:14:12 | Mallory | /usr/sbin/inetd: no such file or directory |
| 16:14:16 | peanut | noted that the wrong percentage was on his note |
| 16:14:19 | Mallory | hmm, I wonder if my ROM got fucked somehow |
| 16:14:31 | kergoth`work | Mallory: tried a full reset? |
| 16:14:37 | Mallory | No, about to |
| 16:14:41 | peanut | Mallory: did you do the full reset as noted in the instructions |
| 16:15:08 | Mallory | I don't hav them handy, can you run me throug it? |
| 16:15:14 | Mallory | Just like flashing? |
| 16:15:27 | Mallory | REplace battery, hit button inside cover, turn back on? |
| 16:15:28 | kergoth`work | push the full reset button |
| 16:15:32 | peanut | yes.. when you finished flashing did you do the hard reset (i.e. open the battery cover and push the button) |
| 16:15:36 | kergoth`work | Mallory: yes |
| 16:15:40 | peanut | yes.. thats it.. |
| 16:16:14 | Mallory | rebooting now |
| 16:16:46 | Mallory | There we go |
| 16:16:52 | Mallory | Man that was scary, it just broke out of hte blue |
| 16:16:55 | Mallory | Thanks a bunch guys |
| 16:17:21 | peanut | np |
| 16:17:24 | scanline | is away: sleep? class? who knows... |
| 16:41:55 | mark_ | jperlow-sharp: hi there. I here someone has written a hp48 emulator for the contest? |
| 16:42:42 | jperlow-sharp | yep |
| 16:42:50 | peanut | jperlow-sharp: mitchy never posted :( |
| 16:42:53 | jperlow-sharp | although it is not really an emulator |
| 16:43:03 | mark_ | what is it? |
| 16:43:04 | jperlow-sharp | it has like every function of an hp48 |
| 16:43:09 | jperlow-sharp | very advanced calculator |
| 16:43:19 | mark_ | ah I see |
| 16:43:21 | mark_ | gpl or commercial? |
| 16:43:28 | jperlow-sharp | appears to be free |
| 16:43:54 | peanut | sweet |
| 16:44:00 | peanut | another lamer posting on zaurus-general |
| 16:44:05 | mark_ | erm, any chance of me getting a copy? or can I have the email addr of the guy who has written it or something? (i'm an opie developer here) |
| 16:51:39 | sjohnson | A general question. Is there a version fo the QTopia Desktop for Linux, or not. |
| 16:51:42 | Mallory | Man fbvncserver is so convenient |
| 16:51:51 | peanut | there is.. |
| 16:51:57 | peanut | but it won't work with rom 1.1x |
| 16:52:11 | Mallory | Sure it will, it just wont' work with USB networking. |
| 16:52:14 | sjohnson | peanut: OK. But where is it? |
| 16:52:16 | peanut | posted info about it to the forums on the sharp developer website |
| 16:52:26 | peanut | ftp.trolltech.com/qt/embedded/palmtop/ |
| 16:52:27 | peanut | i think.. |
| 16:52:30 | peanut | the palmtop might be wrong |
| 16:52:42 | Mallory | ftp://ftp.trolltech.com/qt/embedded/palmtop/ |
| 16:52:45 | Mallory | You were right |
| 16:53:42 | sjohnson | Thanx. Must appreciated. |
| 16:56:27 | peanut | np |
| 17:12:50 | jperlow-sharp | anyone crash opera after they set up wireless networking with 1.10 |
| 17:13:00 | jperlow-sharp | I can do this consistently even after hard reset |
| 17:13:06 | jperlow-sharp | its fine if you have no wlan |
| 17:13:15 | jperlow-sharp | but it segfaults when you start it if you have a wlan card in |
| 17:13:20 | jperlow-sharp | very bad |
| 17:13:39 | roge99 | jperlow-sharp: im running 1.11 and it seems ok to me w/ wlan card |
| 17:13:42 | zacs | jperlow-sharp: opera wont even start for me with 1.10 |
| 17:13:51 | peanut | has had 0 problems with opera and 1.11 |
| 17:13:53 | jperlow-sharp | even after hard reset? |
| 17:13:59 | zacs | jperlow-sharp: correct |
| 17:14:06 | jperlow-sharp | zacs what wireless card are you using |
| 17:14:09 | jperlow-sharp | I have a dlink |
| 17:14:12 | zacs | jperlow-sharp: linksys |
| 17:14:12 | peanut | jason: any news from lineo? |
| 17:14:18 | peanut | has a dlink as well |
| 17:14:30 | jperlow-sharp | peanut can you check 1.10 |
| 17:14:35 | jperlow-sharp | I am not using 1.11 |
| 17:14:38 | peanut | tonight.. sure.. |
| 17:14:46 | jperlow-sharp | I'll try it with 1.11 today |
| 17:15:37 | roge99 | must be somthing in the 1.10 rom |
| 17:15:51 | roge99 | i have a linksys and 1.11 and no probs |
| 17:18:05 | zacs | roge99: probably... i cant update till i get home though as i'm stuck with no access points here and i cant get it to sync since i updated |
| 17:18:19 | peanut | i'm going to shoot some of the people on zaurus-general |
| 17:19:03 | zacs | peanut: Is there a Dictionery available for the Z. |
| 17:19:05 | zacs | hahaha |
| 17:19:11 | kergoth`work | peanut: can i help? |
| 17:19:13 | kergoth`work | heh |
| 17:19:21 | zacs | that is my favorite post... |
| 17:19:29 | peanut | hehehe.. |
| 17:19:38 | peanut | these are not developers.. |
| 17:19:38 | mark_ | jperlow-sharp: so any chance of you putting me in touch with the author of that calc? sorry to nag :) |
| 17:19:44 | peanut | these are morons who wanted first access |
| 17:19:45 | peanut | argh.. |
| 17:20:01 | peanut | should i bother to answer them.. |
| 17:20:04 | peanut | ponders.. |
| 17:20:05 | zacs | peanut: they'll be pissed when the real hardware comes out too |
| 17:20:06 | kergoth`work | thinks we may want to consider a seperate zaurus-users ML |
| 17:20:08 | kergoth`work | heh |
| 17:20:27 | peanut | they'll be pissed just because they want to be pissed.. |
| 17:20:34 | Kand-ALF | hi guys |
| 17:20:39 | Kand-ALF | how's things ? |
| 17:20:49 | Kand-ALF | sharp still in business ? |
| 17:20:50 | Kand-ALF | :) |
| 17:20:56 | kergoth`work | Kand-ALF: wb. howve ya been? |
| 17:21:06 | Kand-ALF | fine |
| 17:21:20 | Kand-ALF | just master.kde.org is dead since two days |
| 17:21:23 | Kand-ALF | and cvs.kde.org |
| 17:21:29 | kergoth`work | yep ive heard |
| 17:21:31 | kergoth`work | heh |
| 17:21:41 | Kand-ALF | master is supposed to be back in 90 mins |
| 17:21:51 | Kand-ALF | they had a PCB case in the Uni where the machine is hosted |
| 17:21:51 | kergoth`work | nice |
| 17:21:58 | kergoth`work | ah |
| 17:22:10 | peanut | you guys are going to like my followup! |
| 17:28:05 | peanut | has sent his reply.. |
| 17:28:10 | peanut | how many flames will come my way.. |
| 17:28:11 | peanut | let us see.. |
| 17:29:45 | peanut | should have spent more time on the composition |
| 17:31:59 | peanut | hehehe.. |
| 17:32:29 | peanut | anyone read my reply yet? |
| 17:32:40 | roge99 | yea |
| 17:32:42 | roge99 | funny |
| 17:32:50 | peanut | hehehe |
| 17:32:53 | peanut | lets see how many flames i get |
| 17:33:03 | dkl | peanut: nice reply |
| 17:33:18 | peanut | do you think it will work? |
| 17:33:23 | dkl | peanut: probably not ;) |
| 17:33:26 | peanut | hehehe |
| 17:33:26 | mandrake | I need to join zaurus-general |
| 17:33:27 | xxL | I doubt it |
| 17:33:35 | peanut | mandrake: its hightraffic complaining |
| 17:33:47 | mandrake | ahh |
| 17:33:48 | mandrake | oh well |
| 17:33:54 | mandrake | I'm only on zaurus-qtopia right now |
| 17:34:09 | peanut | some of the people are downright demanding and angry.. |
| 17:34:14 | dkl | It may have been asked before but is Sharp going to set up some sort of bug tracking system or do they have a company email address to send problems/comments to? |
| 17:34:29 | mandrake | well sharp was marketing it towards joe bloe user at linuxworld. |
| 17:34:40 | peanut | i know.. |
| 17:34:40 | mandrake | and selling them |
| 17:34:45 | peanut | that was a problem.. |
| 17:34:50 | peanut | comments on that jason? |
| 17:34:51 | roge99 | we should setup a newlist - zaurus-crybabies |
| 17:34:57 | peanut | heheheheheheheh |
| 17:35:00 | xxL | rotflmao |
| 17:35:28 | peanut | you know what.. we should.. |
| 17:35:35 | xxL | was this 1.11 update ever publicly released ? |
| 17:35:35 | peanut | zaurus-general is a developer list after all |
| 17:35:40 | peanut | not as of yet.. |
| 17:35:50 | peanut | any second now is what we've been hearing.. |
| 17:35:52 | xxL | so, all we have is a leaked link ? |
| 17:36:18 | peanut | mandrake: i bought another pathfinder.. |
| 17:36:22 | peanut | i looked at the xterra |
| 17:36:33 | peanut | but with all of the options i wanted, it got to be too close to the pathfinder |
| 17:36:33 | dkl | peanut: that would keep the moaning to a minimum cause then all one would need to do is point them to the sharp bug address/database. |
| 17:36:58 | peanut | true... |
| 17:37:03 | peanut | but then again, thats on sharp :) |
| 17:37:37 | xxL | wonders if it's legal to use software which wasn't officially released... |
| 17:37:42 | peanut | i love webster.. |
| 17:37:54 | peanut | develop: make or become bigger or fuller |
| 17:38:11 | peanut | bring or come to an active or visible state or to maturity |
| 17:38:22 | peanut | begin to exhibit or suffer from |
| 17:38:25 | peanut | hehehe.. |
| 17:38:32 | peanut | am i the only one with a dirty mind.. |
| 17:38:53 | ljp_work | develop - suffer from sounds about right!! |
| 17:39:16 | peanut | is off to lunch.. |
| 17:39:22 | peanut | anyone guess on how many flames i have when i get back |
| 17:40:19 | mandrake | just learn to ignore them like I do |
| 17:40:34 | peanut | hehehe |
| 17:41:24 | ljp_work | mandrake: is it you that's working on a sound app? |
| 17:42:07 | mandrake | the only times I ever speak up when someone starts flaming is 1) RMS (I love getting his panties in a bunch, he's a pecker) 2) Nick Moffitt (the world is NOT crackmonkey, you schmuck) and 3) Frank LaMonica (if you use the 'did that stop linus from writing his kernel' argument one more time I swear I'm goign to cut your tongue out and make you eat it |
| 17:42:41 | mandrake | but most of them enjoy baiting me anyways :) |
| 17:42:59 | mandrake | all three of those people should be socially castrated |
| 17:43:23 | mandrake | IPmonger: no thanks. |
| 17:43:58 | mandrake | ljp_work: I've done several sound apps that run on both my ipaq and my zaurus. |
| 17:44:05 | IPmonger | mandrake: sorry - mouse problems |
| 17:45:07 | ljp_work | Fastolfe was saying the sound driver got the new ioctl for channels mixed up with the old one. |
| 17:45:10 | mark_ | mandrake: QSound or > /dev/dsp? |
| 17:45:24 | ljp_work | heh /dev/dsp |
| 17:46:19 | ljp_work | whoop... geezz, I need to learn how to frickin read sometime |
| 17:46:41 | mandrake | I don't use QSound. |
| 17:47:03 | mandrake | I am doing speech synthesis. |
| 17:47:20 | mark_ | hehe, then you wouldn't :) |
| 17:47:23 | mandrake | and the stuff I'm working on is not bound to Qt. |
| 17:48:10 | ljp_work | what are you working on? |
| 17:48:58 | weimer | is back (gone 02:53:25) |
| 17:49:18 | Neo|Work | morning |
| 17:49:47 | Nightvisi | afternoon :P |
| 18:18:33 | Neo|Work | has an idea for a Z app to write |
| 18:20:11 | treke | and what is it? |
| 18:20:18 | Neo|Work | dict.org client. :) |
| 18:20:23 | Neo|Work | i.e dictionary client |
| 18:20:30 | treke | not bad. get cracking :) |
| 18:20:42 | Neo|Work | :-P |
| 18:21:48 | treke | has an idea for a z app, but it would be useless to just about anyone but me |
| 18:23:15 | dkl_lunch | I will need an SKEY app for my work so I think I will make an attempt at writing one unless someone knows of one already |
| 18:26:44 | mark_ | treke: whats that? |
| 18:27:33 | treke | mark_ : oh a worklist app. |
| 18:28:07 | treke | mark_ : would be specific to a custom app we use at work though |
| 18:28:14 | mark_ | ohr ight |
| 18:28:30 | Neo|Work | hmm, is it just me or does the QT Designer lack quite a few widgets? |
| 18:28:45 | treke | knows for sure no one else uses it |
| 18:33:38 | peanut | returns |
| 18:34:59 | peanut | hehehehe.. |
| 18:36:38 | peanut | i love the responses.. |
| 18:38:00 | Neo|Work | responses? |
| 18:38:23 | roge99 | peanut: is there more that one ? |
| 18:38:35 | peanut | preston wrote as well |
| 18:39:01 | peanut | maybe i ask for too much, but to me, IRDA is a huge addition.. |
| 18:39:06 | roge99 | hmm i only saw the one from preston |
| 18:39:19 | peanut | oh.. greg flamed me directly. |
| 18:39:26 | peanut | Um, "Peanut", did you get up on the wrong side of bed this morning? |
| 18:39:46 | kergoth`work | lol |
| 18:39:49 | roge99 | did that one go to the list ? |
| 18:39:52 | peanut | no.. |
| 18:39:54 | peanut | direct |
| 18:39:57 | roge99 | ahh |
| 18:40:13 | peanut | here's the best line.. |
| 18:40:19 | peanut | Don't write flamebait if you aren't willing to take a little heat... |
| 18:40:22 | peanut | hehehehe |
| 18:40:46 | Neo|Work | Can someone please tell me why people send IMAGES W*rd documents? Please? I mean, WHY? |
| 18:41:06 | kergoth`work | lol |
| 18:41:35 | Neo|Work | missed an "as" after IMAGES there, buy you got the idea |
| 18:41:52 | peanut | here's my direct (and final reply) |
| 18:41:57 | peanut | It wasn't flamebait. It was meant to illustrate a common occurence on this |
| 18:41:57 | peanut | non sharp-sanctioned list. |
| 18:42:57 | peanut | yawns.. |
| 18:42:58 | peanut | oh well.. |
| 18:42:59 | roge99 | by whiny cry-babies |
| 18:43:22 | peanut | we should have a crybaby list |
| 18:43:47 | zacs | what mailing lists should i be on as a programmer? |
| 18:44:00 | zacs | i'm new to the zaurus scene |
| 18:44:03 | roge99 | thats what i suggested eariler zaures-crybabies@nobodycares.com |
| 18:48:03 | roge99 | we should put a zaurus-complaints HOW-TO on ZZ or SD |
| 18:48:03 | roge99 | 1.) put zaurus back in box |
| 18:48:03 | roge99 | 2.) wait for final production rom to released |
| 18:48:25 | tux_mike | hrm... i should figure out how to hook kaffe to qpe |
| 18:48:48 | tux_mike | roge99: no, 1. put Z back in box. 2. Ship to me. :) |
| 18:48:56 | peanut | am i weird or something.. or is the pim suite considered useable by everyone here |
| 18:49:05 | roge99 | tux_mike: that works too |
| 18:49:07 | peanut | never did that much with his pim suite on his palm.. |
| 18:49:17 | roge99 | peanut: i use it |
| 18:49:22 | peanut | the only (minor complaint) that i have is switching between records in the addressbook |
| 18:49:41 | tux_mike | peanut: it's better, but i want to use my own. i have a much better input for the address book |
| 18:50:00 | roge99 | peanut: it could use some improvements but so could everything |
| 18:51:19 | rospahr | this current rom is very usable with alot of progress... i don't know why everyone is complaining. the IR is really great. To send something to a palm is very impressive. |
| 18:51:23 | MEGASTeP | is back (gone 07:30:30) |
| 18:51:56 | Kopsis | peanut: The PIM suite seems fine to me. Sure there's room for improvement but folks should be comparing it to the *standard* Palm apps and not the enhanced third-party versions that everyone uses. |
| 18:52:21 | treke | am I the onlyone who used and didnt mind the standard apps? |
| 18:53:03 | tux_mike | treke: i don't mind it now... but that input is horrible |
| 18:54:31 | tux_mike | if you have qt designer, check out my input screen, http://www.tuxnami.org/~mike/sl-5000/addcontact.ui |
| 19:00:07 | Kopsis | tux_mike: I like it! One suggestion though, make sure that when you are on the last field and you hit the TAB key it switches to the next tab. ... |
| 19:00:41 | Kopsis | One of the nice things about the current input form is that you can go all the way through it without picking up the stylus :) |
| 19:01:10 | tux_mike | i think i have it setup that way... i'll have to check. i know it starts at the first field |
| 19:01:43 | tux_mike | yah, but it's so long. it feels like it doesn't end |
| 19:01:58 | tux_mike | this makes it feel shorter |
| 19:02:57 | tux_mike | roge99-z: irc from the z? :) |
| 19:03:03 | Kopsis | Agreed :) One other thing is I'd rather see seperate tabs for home and business addr (but that's just a personal preference). |
| 19:03:23 | roge99 | tux_mike: jabber client from the kompany |
| 19:03:33 | tux_mike | cool |
| 19:03:35 | roge99 | its sweeet |
| 19:04:25 | xxL | tux_mike: how does your input form fit on a rotated (landscape) screen ? |
| 19:05:08 | tux_mike | hrm... didn't think of that... i have to add resize events, it should fit ok... i'm encapsulating all the fields in a scroll view, so they will be scrollable when necissary |
| 19:05:18 | tux_mike | i have to do that manually though :) |
| 19:05:33 | xxL | yup |
| 19:05:54 | tux_mike | the ui is just the basic framework, i plan on expanding and doing the signal/slots manually |
| 19:06:15 | Kopsis | Would anyone be doing input with the screen rotated? Both the built in keyboard and the soft keyboard are pretty tough to use with the Z rotated :) |
| 19:06:19 | xxL | also: the "notes" and "categories" buttons should be visible on each tab IMO |
| 19:06:57 | xxL | actually, you should put those 2 outside the tabs |
| 19:07:35 | tux_mike | xxL: that causes it too be too big... i don't want to have to scroll if the input method is not up :) |
| 19:07:57 | xxL | kopsis: good point. what about an input method that get's "docked" to the sides when the screen is rotated ? |
| 19:08:57 | tux_mike | in QT, can drop down combos have check marks? |
| 19:09:27 | roge99 | kergoth: hey how goes it? |
| 19:09:35 | tux_mike | kergoth: are you the maintainer of opie? |
| 19:09:41 | kergoth | re |
| 19:10:10 | kergoth | brb |
| 19:10:33 | xxL | tux_mike: hack the tab widget so that the 2 buttons get displayed on the same raw with the tabs... |
| 19:11:16 | tux_mike | that'd work... i'll do that later... i'm not familiar enough with qt yet :) |
| 19:11:32 | Mallory | wow, jabber is neat |
| 19:13:35 | tux_mike | i wish i could get all my friends off of aim and onto jabber |
| 19:13:37 | ljp_work | hey- just curious, have any of you had to change $TERM from the default of VT100 on your Z's? |
| 19:15:51 | tux_mike | ljp_work: i have for vim, it works better if you set it to linux |
| 19:16:46 | zacs | mmm vim |
| 19:16:58 | zacs | tux_mike: have you got vim enhanced on there? |
| 19:17:00 | ljp_work | I had to set mine to linux also... |
| 19:17:39 | tux_mike | zacs: i got it from the familliar packages |
| 19:18:02 | Dr_Who | vim ... wow, that's cool |
| 19:18:05 | ljp_work | I'm just asking cause someone sent opie a patch for embeddedkonsol that changes a few keycodes... |
| 19:18:36 | Dr_Who | anyone know to what extent the current 2.4.6 sources take advantage of the StrongARM low power modes? |
| 19:18:38 | ljp_work | and I think that's nbetter handled with terminfo |
| 19:19:39 | zacs | tux_mike: cool |
| 19:21:52 | tux_mike | gah |
| 19:21:52 | tux_mike | again?! |
| 19:21:59 | roge99 | split |
| 19:22:20 | ljp_work | us and them... |
| 19:23:15 | Fastolfe | hello everybody |
| 19:23:18 | roge99 | hey Fastolfe |
| 19:23:28 | tux_mike | hey fast |
| 19:23:40 | ljp_work | hiya |
| 19:24:08 | roge99-Z | Fastolfe up all night ? |
| 19:24:48 | Fastolfe | kind of :) |
| 19:24:55 | Fastolfe | I wanted to finish that asm routine |
| 19:25:08 | Fastolfe | before I'd forget how it works at all :) |
| 19:25:14 | tux_mike | Fastolfe: do you work on the real time linux stuff at lineo? |
| 19:25:22 | Fastolfe | I used to |
| 19:25:57 | tux_mike | i'm gonna need some RTP for my bot, how well does it work? :) |
| 19:26:02 | ljp_work | now he just hacks on vnc |
| 19:26:31 | Fastolfe | rtp for your bot ? |
| 19:26:36 | Fastolfe | ljp_work: yeah right :) |
| 19:26:50 | Neo|Work | sugar heard Fastolfe|HolyCrapIGottaSleep |
| 19:26:50 | Sugar | Neo|Work: Sorry, I haven't heard Fastolfe|HolyCrapIGottaSleep |
| 19:26:54 | Neo|Work | aww. :P |
| 19:27:09 | Fastolfe | heh |
| 19:27:29 | tux_mike | what i wanted to do is have the SBC on my battlebot doo the pulse-widht modulation for the motor controls (it needs to pulse 2 i/o channels at varying rates from 0-20kHz) |
| 19:27:35 | peanut | i've got a question.. |
| 19:27:39 | Fastolfe | brb colleague popped in |
| 19:27:44 | peanut | i can't seem to keep an irda-ppp connection for more than 1:18 |
| 19:27:47 | peanut | i think its my phone.. |
| 19:27:51 | peanut | (or worse, my cell provider) |
| 19:27:52 | peanut | any ideas |
| 19:28:05 | tux_mike | peanut: change providers? :) |
| 19:28:07 | peanut | would also like to point out that irda-ppp sucks! (especially on a train) |
| 19:28:17 | peanut | yeah.. but is it my provider, or my phone.. has anyone heard of this? |
| 19:28:24 | tux_mike | not I |
| 19:28:27 | peanut | switching is not always easy.. (especially when you're under contract!) |
| 19:28:31 | tux_mike | but i don't have an irda fone yet |
| 19:28:57 | tux_mike | peanut: i can drop my provider like a ton of bricks... but i don't because i like 'em :) |
| 19:29:14 | peanut | it must be my provider or phone.. |
| 19:29:21 | peanut | it always drops at 1:18 |
| 19:29:25 | peanut | its odd.. |
| 19:29:33 | peanut | nothing in my ppp server logs |
| 19:29:46 | Fastolfe | back |
| 19:29:47 | peanut | hrmm.. wait.. |
| 19:30:01 | peanut | i have my baud rate set to 19200, yet my server only shows a 9600 baud connection.. |
| 19:30:03 | Fastolfe | tux_mike: yeah, use RTAI, it's your friend |
| 19:30:35 | Fastolfe | tux_mike: I did a demo with pwm-controlled motors and RTAI once |
| 19:30:56 | Fastolfe | tux_mike: it was balancing a pencil on its tip, so I know it's fast enough :) |
| 19:31:49 | Fastolfe | tux_mike: the hardware was 2 pwm servos, each controlled by one parallel port bit. I still have the code if that would be helpful to you |
| 19:32:29 | Mallory | Fast: Is rel6 of fbvncserver the one with all the assembly? |
| 19:32:37 | Fastolfe | Mallory: yes |
| 19:32:53 | Mallory | It does seem a little more responsive. |
| 19:33:12 | peanut | where's fbvncserver? (sf?) |
| 19:33:18 | Fastolfe | I hope so :) I didn't bust my bollocks doing ARM assembler in AT&T format for nothing |
| 19:33:38 | Mallory | www.sourceforge.net/projects/zaurus |
| 19:34:01 | peanut | drools for a phone with bluetooth |
| 19:34:14 | Fastolfe | peanut: http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/zaurus/fbvncserver_0.0.6-6_arm.ipk |
| 19:34:35 | peanut | does the ssh support v2 yet? |
| 19:35:43 | Mallory | Yup |
| 19:35:49 | Mallory | openssh 3.0.2pl1 is up there |
| 19:36:04 | Mallory | Strip the binaries with the strip from the ARM toolchain. It cuts them in half :) |
| 19:36:42 | peanut | i only see ssh-kit rel1 |
| 19:37:26 | kergoth | peanut: openssh is there. summary page, the file is on the bottom of the 'new files' listing. |
| 19:37:39 | Mallory | There is no scp there though. |
| 19:45:04 | BigBoss | l |
| 19:45:42 | tux_mike | Fastolfe: its in charge of 2 PWM servos and 2 straight motors (on-off). the 2 PWM ones have to be real time, the rest can have some latency |
| 19:48:27 | nelazul | hmm are there still issues with the SD slot? |
| 19:48:41 | Dr_Who | anyone know where I can find the "raw" rmk kernel patch for 2.46.? |
| 19:48:58 | Dr_Who | errr 2.4.6 I mean... |
| 19:49:39 | tux_mike | hh.org? |
| 19:50:09 | Dr_Who | ahhh.... ok ... yeah makes sence it'd be over there ... I was looking on kernel.org |
| 19:50:23 | Dr_Who | I don't remember him having an account there.... |
| 19:51:04 | tux_mike | hrm... time to try cross compiling kaffe. |
| 20:01:33 | rospahr | does anyone have the URL for the most recent qtopia desktop for linux? |
| 20:04:06 | Drago | hmm i think i shall make a qt one time password generator |
| 20:04:09 | Drago | would be nice and handy |
| 20:16:16 | v23_work | hello. After installing x11 and icewm on beta2.6 my Z does not resume anymore. I always have to reset it after suspending it. Does anyone else experienced it? |
| 20:17:03 | Drago | v23_work, how does x11 run on it? |
| 20:17:37 | v23_work | It runs well. Responsive and everything. |
| 20:18:27 | tux_mike | v23_work: i had that problem on b2, i had to take the CF that it was on out to resume |
| 20:18:44 | Fastolfe | okay, I'm sick and tired of this CDCEther crap |
| 20:19:39 | tux_mike | Fastolfe: the fact that it don't work? |
| 20:19:44 | Fastolfe | yeah |
| 20:19:48 | ishmal | damn, the new ROM lost the penguin |
| 20:19:52 | v23_work | tux_mike: Hm. I'll try that. Thanks. By the way, in the system info, does it really say "beta2.5" instead of 2.6, or I just messed up something? |
| 20:19:56 | Fastolfe | gotta stick my nose in the code I think |
| 20:20:25 | tux_mike | i dunno. i haven't used any more than beta 2.0 of OZ. |
| 20:20:35 | kergoth | v23_work: yes it does, i didnt rebuild sysinfo for beta 2.6 |
| 20:20:35 | v23_work | k |
| 20:21:00 | tux_mike | kergoth: i'm gonna try to build kaffe for OZ... i wonder if it has the swing libraries. |
| 20:21:06 | kergoth | jperlow-sharp: I'll get you a prerelease oz 3 within a couple days |
| 20:21:14 | kergoth | tux_mike: have fun |
| 20:21:16 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:21:32 | tux_mike | i just hope it works on non-X :) |
| 20:21:42 | peanut | yawns.. |
| 20:21:45 | ishmal | hmm no Opera |
| 20:21:47 | peanut | misses cdcether too.. |
| 20:22:11 | Dr_Who | hmmm ok let me see if I have this somewhat straight |
| 20:22:14 | Dr_Who | base 2.4.6 kernel |
| 20:22:35 | Dr_Who | add on rmk's patches ... |
| 20:22:41 | Dr_Who | who is np? |
| 20:22:54 | Dr_Who | and hh I assume is handhelds.org? ... |
| 20:22:59 | peanut | ahh.. |
| 20:23:05 | peanut | now i know why i missed openssh |
| 20:23:09 | peanut | its out of whack |
| 20:23:19 | Dr_Who | and then embeddix I assume is just all of lineo's work ... |
| 20:23:35 | ishmal | just burned in the new romimage, let me guess, wlan_ng.conf was not updated ;( |
| 20:23:42 | peanut | forgets.. |
| 20:23:48 | peanut | is the vnc client something that was only in oz |
| 20:24:22 | peanut | and whats the point (sorry no flame intended) of a vncserver on the Z? |
| 20:24:34 | peanut | beyond using a regular keyboard/mouse |
| 20:24:39 | peanut | and display |
| 20:24:56 | scribe | Hey guys. Anyone know how to get QTextView to display unicode characters. I'm getting squares (Qtopia) |
| 20:25:21 | tux_mike | peanut: that is the point... unless you leave your z at home and really really need some piece of info off of it |
| 20:25:59 | peanut | ok.. i wanted to make sure i wasn't missing something.. |
| 20:26:06 | peanut | is still operating on an empty tank |
| 20:26:55 | tux_mike | i think vnc on the z isn't a bad option for those who want to use a std keyboard/mouse/display |
| 20:27:02 | BZFlag | tux_mike: look for qtawt under kdejava on kde.org |
| 20:27:27 | rospahr | question: is the sourc code available for the Qtopia desktop? I am running linx on a PowerPC and need to compile my own binary. |
| 20:27:27 | tux_mike | BZFlag: not yet... i was going to... |
| 20:27:58 | tux_mike | now that i have the i386 compile going, i should look at that |
| 20:28:24 | Fastolfe | . |
| 20:28:40 | tux_mike | , |
| 20:31:10 | kendrick2 | re |
| 20:31:17 | kendrick2 | so why does my z suspend so slowly now?, eh? |
| 20:31:27 | peanut | its possessed |
| 20:31:28 | kendrick2 | sugar seen jasonnj |
| 20:31:29 | Sugar | kendrick2: I last saw jasonnj quitting IRC 12h 35m 47s ago. |
| 20:31:38 | ishmal | well, crap ;) im not sure i like the new rom, it isnt running wlan at all |
| 20:31:40 | kendrick2 | sugar seen jperlow-sharp |
| 20:31:40 | Sugar | kendrick2: I last saw jperlow-sharp on IRC 43m 45s ago joining the channel #zaurus. |
| 20:31:51 | kendrick2 | fooey |
| 20:32:08 | peanut | ahh.. ibot and sugar are the same yes? |
| 20:32:20 | ishmal | the boot script is all screwed |
| 20:32:39 | Neo|Work | scribe: unicode -> perhaps you need to set the font to the unicode one? |
| 20:32:42 | kendrick2 | ishmal? |
| 20:32:47 | kendrick2 | oh - wlan related? |
| 20:33:01 | kendrick2 | it seriously takes, like, 10seconds for it to suspend now! |
| 20:33:10 | Neo|Work | kendrick2: btw: seen => any action, heard => last thing said |
| 20:33:24 | kendrick2 | ah :) |
| 20:33:29 | Neo|Work | peanut: ibot is "my" bot. Written in Pike. Not the same as ibot. :P |
| 20:33:30 | kendrick2 | sugar heard jperlow-sharp |
| 20:33:31 | Sugar | kendrick2: I last heard jperlow-sharp on IRC 3h 18m 45s ago in channel #zaurus saying: I'll try it with 1.11 today |
| 20:33:37 | Neo|Work | sugar, help |
| 20:33:37 | Sugar | I'm Sugar, an interactive Pike bot. These modules are currently loaded: babelfish, beer, cyborg, dice, drinks, fortune, google, loki, quote, seen and talk. To get module specific help, type: help <modulename> |
| 20:33:45 | peanut | very nice.. |
| 20:33:50 | Neo|Work | sugar cyborg zaurus |
| 20:33:55 | kendrick2 | sugar help google |
| 20:33:55 | Sugar | Neo|Work: Z.A.U.R.U.S.: Zeta Artificial Unit Responsible for Ultimate Sabotage |
| 20:33:55 | Sugar | Search google for something. Syntax: search for <list of keywords>. The response is sent as a private message. You can modify some settings by using this syntax: set search hits <max returned hits>, set search display terse and set search display verbose. Use 'search settings' for the current settings. |
| 20:34:11 | kendrick2 | woah |
| 20:34:13 | Neo|Work | wonder if that search still works. :-) |
| 20:34:16 | ishmal | anyone know where the boot log is? |
| 20:34:27 | Neo|Work | websites tend to change |
| 20:34:28 | kendrick2 | woah - cyborg's nifty |
| 20:34:51 | file | well I think I'll reboot and try to install this video card |
| 20:34:54 | peanut | how many bots are on here? |
| 20:34:55 | file | probably fail miserably like before |
| 20:34:57 | peanut | sugar and ibot? |
| 20:35:13 | kendrick2 | i am: "Killing and Efficient Nullification Device" |
| 20:35:26 | Neo|Work | seems like search does not work. I know translation doesn't |
| 20:37:16 | mtm | speaking of bots, do any of them have any way to provide a chat session log (so I can catch up on what I missed when I'm offline) |
| 20:37:16 | | BZFlag: sorry... |
| 20:37:16 | BZFlag | ibot en de seems like search does not work. I know translation doesn't |
| 20:37:23 | BZFlag | ibot x en de seems like search does not work. I know translation doesn't |
| 20:37:27 | | BZFlag: scheint wie Suche arbeitet nicht. Ich weiß, daß Übersetzung nicht |
| 20:37:39 | | Sugar is nothing but a flap-mouthed bag of infected eel ooze. |
| 20:37:39 | BZFlag | ibot: insult Sugar |
| 20:37:47 | kendrick2 | runs - lunch |
| 20:37:49 | peanut | ahh.. hehehehe |
| 20:37:55 | | You are nothing but an unoriginal gob of half-faced toxic waste. |
| 20:37:55 | peanut | ibot insult peanut |
| 20:37:55 | Neo|Work | BZFlag: :-) |
| 20:38:03 | peanut | hehehehehe.. |
| 20:38:12 | tux_mike | BZFlag: is that qtawt in the CVS, or what? |
| 20:38:46 | BZFlag | yeah. looks like richard dale has another choice kdebindings/qtc |
| 20:39:00 | peanut | how does ibot (and how did sugar) do the translations? |
| 20:39:05 | peanut | via a website somewhere? |
| 20:39:10 | tux_mike | are these straight QT, or do the use kdelibs? |
| 20:39:15 | BZFlag | peanut: babelfish on av.com |
| 20:39:22 | peanut | thats what i thought.. |
| 20:39:39 | BZFlag | tux_mike: qt. see kdebindings/kdec for kde. ;-) |
| 20:40:16 | BZFlag | mtm: ibot has logs. http://ipaq.secret.org/~timr/ |
| 20:40:32 | tux_mike | BZFlag: what's your thoughts on this? |
| 20:40:33 | BZFlag | mtm: I need to get them split by channel. |
| 20:41:03 | BZFlag | tux_mike: I'd like to see kaffe on OZ, but I'm not much of a java fan. |
| 20:41:25 | BZFlag | I just want konquerer to handle java applets with kaffe |
| 20:41:28 | tux_mike | that's what i want. i'd like to get it working. |
| 20:41:45 | Neo|Work | is away: lunch |
| 20:41:57 | BZFlag | mtm: er.... http://ipaq.secret.org.uk/~timr/ sorry. |
| 20:42:12 | tux_mike | is AWT another widget set for java, like swing? |
| 20:42:24 | BZFlag | awt is always there. swing is an add on |
| 20:42:42 | tux_mike | ah |
| 20:43:50 | scribe | Neo|Work: thanks for the reply. How do I set the font to the unicode one? |
| 20:44:10 | scribe | Neo|Work: in HTML? <font> ? |
| 20:44:19 | scribe | Neo|Work: or with a method? |
| 20:44:25 | scribe | Neo|Work: looking... |
| 20:44:58 | tux_mike | BZFlag: are these (qtjava and qtawt) for qt 3 or 2.3? |
| 20:46:54 | ishmal | ? /var/mnt: no such file or directory? |
| 20:47:58 | mtm | BZFlag: is there a way to actually query it for logs with a /msg? like "/msg ibot give me the logs since 12am" |
| 20:49:17 | ishmal | this 1.1 rom is extremely aggravating everything seems screwed |
| 20:51:35 | peanut | ishmal: whats wrong with it? did you do a full reset? |
| 20:51:55 | ishmal | yes, definitely |
| 20:52:30 | ishmal | i did a crc on the romimage to make sure i didnt damage it on transfer |
| 20:54:17 | bipolar | BigBoss_busy: Have you heard about any problems with tckEditor, specificly it crashing whenever you try to enter any text? |
| 20:54:31 | BigBoss | no, never seen that |
| 20:54:38 | BigBoss | ask msmax - he is here now :) |
| 20:55:02 | bipolar | msmax: ping |
| 20:55:07 | msmax | bipolar: you install tkcEditor on cf card? |
| 20:55:25 | bipolar | msmax: I'm not sure. This is someone else using Opie on an iPaq. :) |
| 20:55:44 | msmax | it crached becouse cannot find highlight files |
| 20:55:48 | BigBoss | did he buy it? |
| 20:56:07 | bipolar | yes, I think so. |
| 20:56:28 | treke | yeah, bought the whole shebang |
| 20:56:31 | msmax | on Zaurus i have it in $QPEDIR/etc/highlight/global |
| 20:57:02 | msmax | it's mean what QPEDIR must be setup right |
| 20:57:15 | bipolar | msmax: that would be /opt/QtPlamtop on the iPaq. |
| 20:57:49 | treke | QPEDIR is set to /opt/QtPalmtop. I believe QTDIR is /usr |
| 20:58:11 | peanut | hrmm.. |
| 20:58:16 | msmax | bipolar: do you have it right now, for we can do test? |
| 20:58:28 | peanut | when i run thekompany apps from sd, i get memory is very low errors.. |
| 20:58:36 | peanut | did get that when running from ram |
| 20:58:41 | bipolar | msmax: treke bought the software. |
| 20:59:03 | msmax | treke: it you have this error? |
| 20:59:10 | treke | yeah. It was me |
| 20:59:28 | msmax | can you check what you have in $QPEDIR/etc/highlight/global? |
| 20:59:43 | treke | sure |
| 21:00:08 | treke | cpp,tml,nohighlight,php, and sql |
| 21:00:25 | bipolar | hm... |
| 21:00:46 | msmax | ok. can you run tkcEditor and see what you have in menu View->Highlight |
| 21:00:52 | treke | aga |
| 21:01:05 | treke | bipolar : Did you change the variable to OPIEDIR? |
| 21:01:11 | bipolar | treke: not me. :) |
| 21:01:20 | bipolar | treke: I just spotted this. |
| 21:01:32 | treke | lemme try adding QPEDIR |
| 21:01:48 | bipolar | treke: add the line QPEDIR=/opt/QtPlamtop to /etc/init.d/qpe |
| 21:01:53 | treke | just did |
| 21:02:00 | bipolar | k. |
| 21:03:18 | bipolar | treke: Does that fix it? |
| 21:04:00 | treke | rebooting (qpe stop, qpe start wasnt working) |
| 21:04:39 | bipolar | treke: hm... |
| 21:04:43 | weimer | bipolar: Is the vnc part of opie useable? Any hints to this? I'd like to show opie on my main display for presentation purposes |
| 21:05:12 | treke | that fixed it. |
| 21:05:15 | bipolar | weimer: Yes, I compiled in VNC support into qt/e. I've never used it though. :) |
| 21:05:37 | treke | I wonder if this will help my many other problems with the tkc apps :) |
| 21:05:50 | bipolar | treke: Probbly. |
| 21:06:19 | treke | msmax : thanks for the help |
| 21:06:27 | weimer | bipolar: hmm, it looks very strange in my vncviewer. The Colors are wrong. Is this a known issue? |
| 21:06:49 | bipolar | weimer: Not that I know of. Like I said, I've never used it. |
| 21:07:14 | msmax | treke: you can always found me via email: max@thekompany.com |
| 21:07:15 | treke | ah now tkcMajjong actually does something. I was wondering how it worked |
| 21:07:22 | weimer | bipolar: Thanks. |
| 21:08:42 | peanut | max: any ideas why the paint app would give me mem errors when i run from sd |
| 21:08:46 | treke | msmax : Another thing I've run into is trying to connect to irc using tkcjabber results in a dropped connection to the irc and jabber server |
| 21:08:59 | msmax | treke: MahJong too found his files in $QPEDIR/etc/tkcmahJongg |
| 21:09:31 | msmax | treke: wait 10 minut, we restarting our jabber server |
| 21:09:31 | peanut | damn.. |
| 21:09:41 | peanut | 1:17 on my irda phone.. |
| 21:09:54 | treke | msmax : Ok. It usually takes 10 minutes or so before I can log on again anyways |
| 21:10:00 | msmax | penaut: may be you have small spaces on your cf card? |
| 21:10:23 | jperlow-sharp | fastolfe are you there |
| 21:10:32 | peanut | huh? |
| 21:10:37 | jperlow-sharp | I think your vncserver breaks opera |
| 21:10:39 | peanut | i have it on an sd card |
| 21:10:52 | ishmal | well, it just took one more try |
| 21:10:59 | msmax | penaut: then check your cd card ;) |
| 21:11:44 | peanut | its a 64mb card. |
| 21:11:50 | peanut | it has 60mb left |
| 21:12:02 | peanut | every other app works fine.. |
| 21:12:05 | peanut | except paint |
| 21:13:57 | msmax | penaut: only painter work bad? |
| 21:14:02 | peanut | yup |
| 21:14:10 | peanut | jabber and common are on ram |
| 21:14:14 | peanut | everything else is on sd |
| 21:14:22 | peanut | all work fine except painter |
| 21:14:36 | msmax | penaut: yes, i know this problem in painter, try fix it on next releases |
| 21:14:41 | Fastolfe | jperlow-sharp: I'm here |
| 21:14:58 | Fastolfe | jperlow-sharp: hold on I'll try opera |
| 21:15:05 | peanut | msmax: thanx |
| 21:16:13 | tux_mike | hrm... kaffe isn't building... |
| 21:16:17 | Fastolfe | jperlow-sharp: Opera works with VNC here. Is there something specific that seems broken ? |
| 21:16:39 | ishmal | that Zaurus startup screen is kinda inconvenient |
| 21:16:42 | bipolar | Fastolfe: Do you think your VNC server would work on an iPaq? |
| 21:16:47 | ishmal | but everything else seems ok |
| 21:17:07 | peanut | jason: whats the latest from mitchy? |
| 21:17:12 | Fastolfe | bipolar: yeah, there's a guy who asked me the source code to port in on the paq. I need to send it to him |
| 21:18:22 | peanut | loves reading the forums and mailing lists.. |
| 21:18:27 | peanut | lets hope those people never venture on here.. |
| 21:19:49 | BZFlag | mtm: no log query in ibot. that would require it so send a lot of data up. html it better. ;-) though it does lag by a day. |
| 21:20:07 | mtm | BZFlag: ok, thx |
| 21:20:51 | BZFlag | tux_mike: version varies. I think richard dale is auto-generating his so I would expect both 2.3 and 3.0 would be supported. |
| 21:22:05 | tux_mike | i've got to find out why the kaffe build is crapping out first :/ |
| 21:25:20 | bipolar_away | is away: I'm not here... Really.... |
| 21:28:03 | ishmal | hmm now i need to find out why there is no wlan0 |
| 21:29:11 | peanut | is off |
| 21:29:13 | peanut | l8r all |
| 21:32:00 | ishmal | hey, is there a way to disable that startup screen? |
| 21:32:18 | ishmal | i need to see why wlancfg is failing |
| 21:36:59 | scribe | Neo|Work: in QWidget there is a setFont. What is the unicode font? If this font doesn't exist, will it default to another? |
| 21:47:20 | Neo|Work | is back (gone 01:05:34) |
| 21:47:37 | Neo|Work | scribe: hmm - it's unifont |
| 21:47:51 | Neo|Work | and it'll be there (standard font) |
| 21:48:18 | tux_mike | NeoTron: i don't think it's on the Z... at least not all the chars |
| 21:50:02 | ishmal | i need to make that 'Zaurus' flash screen to go away |
| 21:50:24 | Neo|Work | fixed Sugar's search |
| 21:50:38 | kergoth | ishmal: you need to recompile the kernel and disable the Collie LogoScreen support to do that, iirc |
| 21:50:40 | Neo|Work | i.e: sugar search for <keywords> |
| 21:51:18 | Aelfweld | or make your own logoscreen? |
| 21:51:33 | kergoth | Aelfweld: he wants to disable it so he can see kernel messages. |
| 21:51:39 | Aelfweld | ah |
| 21:51:55 | Aelfweld | I am surprised there is not a hot key for that. |
| 21:52:12 | Aelfweld | anyway any word on fixing the broken linux/usb netowrking? |
| 21:52:43 | ishmal | or just a log of the messages would be good |
| 21:56:20 | Neo|Work | tux_mike: oh. well, it has to be there partially at least, since there's unicode support on the Z. :P |
| 21:56:53 | jperlow-sharp | dammned libjpeg |
| 21:56:56 | ishmal | on the bad side, i havent had much time to work on my Z app ;( good side, we have been very busy porting our stuff to C++, and the customer is interested in seeing it run on the Z |
| 21:56:58 | jperlow-sharp | dont install libjpeg from sourceforge! |
| 21:57:03 | jperlow-sharp | bad, bad, bad! |
| 21:57:05 | file | damn libsigc++ |
| 21:57:08 | kergoth | ishmal: could try cat'ing /dev/tty2, since /dev/console is a symlink to tty2, iirc |
| 21:57:10 | file | curses it |
| 21:57:23 | Neo|Work | jperlow-sharp: so Qtopia doesn't come with jpeg support per default? |
| 21:57:25 | Aelfweld | dmesg? |
| 21:57:26 | jperlow-sharp | libjpeg from sourceforge breaks Opera |
| 21:57:31 | jperlow-sharp | yes it does have it |
| 21:57:36 | jperlow-sharp | the latst sharp roms have it |
| 21:57:48 | ishmal | what about the www.ijg.org one? |
| 21:57:49 | jperlow-sharp | but if you install the vnc server do not install the libjpeg |
| 21:57:51 | Neo|Work | ok. will we see an SDK with jpeg support too? |
| 21:57:52 | jperlow-sharp | just the zlib |
| 21:58:14 | ishmal | or whatever they are called |
| 22:01:08 | Dr_Who | hmmm in theory "full" set of kernel sources from sharp should compile shouldn't they? |
| 22:01:46 | Dr_Who | things die for me on entry-armv.S ... getting "Internal_relocation (type 210) no fixed up (OFFSET_IMM) |
| 22:02:02 | Dr_Who | is there a newer set of the binutils or something than what is on sharp's page? |
| 22:03:00 | kergoth | Dr_Who: works fine for me |
| 22:04:09 | Dr_Who | well I'm sure I've done something stupid ... |
| 22:04:24 | Dr_Who | first kernel build for arm here.... smoke test if you will |
| 22:06:04 | kendrick2 | re |
| 22:06:13 | ishmal | ahh thats what i thought -- it -should- be in /var/log/boot.log |
| 22:06:19 | kendrick2 | jason! |
| 22:06:26 | kendrick2 | crap |
| 22:06:35 | kergoth | ishmal: it should? does the Z even have syslog? |
| 22:06:50 | kendrick2 | i JUST missed him, huh? :( |
| 22:07:07 | ishmal | well i dont know if embedix does, but linux does |
| 22:07:23 | kergoth | ishmal: yes. embedix doesnt. |
| 22:07:34 | kergoth | ishmal: which annoys me to no end. i'm tempted to port syslog/klog one of these days |
| 22:07:38 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:07:46 | tux_mike | kergoth: i almos have kaffe done compiling... next i'll compile the qtawt |
| 22:07:49 | ishmal | so this is one of those :you can't get there from here" kind of problems |
| 22:07:52 | kergoth | tux_mike: nice! |
| 22:08:16 | tux_mike | kergoth: i'm not running OZ, so i'll need you to test for me :) |
| 22:08:20 | kergoth | ishmal: you could always cat /proc/kmsg, iirc |
| 22:08:22 | kergoth | tux_mike: k |
| 22:08:39 | ishmal | i was thinking also that i might just find the image file that is displayed, change its name temporarily |
| 22:08:56 | kergoth | ishmal: the boot logo is inlined into the kernel itself |
| 22:08:59 | tux_mike | kergoth: does opie reflect most of the changes that happened in the qpe on Z 1.02->1.1? |
| 22:09:07 | kergoth | ishmal: drivers/video/LogoScreen.c in the kernel source |
| 22:09:28 | ishmal | the "Sharp" one, or the "Z" ? |
| 22:09:30 | kergoth | tux_mike: most. some were still sharp proprietary and never merged back in |
| 22:09:40 | kergoth | tux_mike: and some of the changes in qpe were never merged into sharp's tree |
| 22:09:42 | kergoth | tux_mike: heh |
| 22:09:43 | tux_mike | yah... does it support beaming? :) |
| 22:10:19 | kergoth | ishmal: hmm? |
| 22:10:47 | ishmal | the framebuffer says "SHARP" before the linux boot |
| 22:10:52 | kendrick2 | :) |
| 22:11:25 | ishmal | ls |
| 22:11:27 | ishmal | ack |
| 22:11:51 | tux_mike | -_- |
| 22:11:54 | ishmal | have a linux box, sgi, and the pc going, dont know which window im on |
| 22:11:56 | ishmal | ;) |
| 22:12:09 | tux_mike | i wish i could just get these to do a clean compile for an hour... i wanna read my newspaper |
| 22:13:49 | ishmal | hmm doing an "lsmod" wlan_ng isnt even loaded |
| 22:16:29 | kendrick2 | so anyone else have that slow suspend issue? |
| 22:16:57 | kendrick2 | wonders if it's something he had had installed in the 1-08 rom, which got restored from the backup |
| 22:19:05 | tux_mike | kergoth: is there a awt class for java in QPE? |
| 22:24:20 | kergoth | tux_mike: i know NOTHING about java :-) I dont believe so though |
| 22:25:27 | tux_mike | i've heard it said that the awt classes were trolltech's |
| 22:26:45 | sjohnson | I read that too. The where changed to look like QPE's interface |
| 22:27:08 | tux_mike | well, it actually binds AWS widget calls to QT widgets |
| 22:27:35 | ishmal | if you can get the app running with the sun PJEE on your pc, it will probably run on the Z |
| 22:31:57 | tux_mike | *grunt* it is recompiling *everything* when i told it to make install |
| 22:32:53 | ishmal | i take it that wlan-ng -does- work on the 1.10 rom ? or is it just this one? |
| 22:34:33 | ishmal | tried doing 'insmod prism2_cs' ,, got missing symbol error, looking for stuff in wlan |
| 22:34:51 | sjohnson | ishmal: USe modprobe not insmod |
| 22:35:26 | sjohnson | prism2_cs has a denpendeny |
| 22:36:01 | tux_mike | kergoth: i sent a email to warwick about the awt file... worst case, we have people copy the awt from their sharp roms to the OZ (aka we don't distribute it) |
| 22:36:13 | ishmal | yeah, p80211 |
| 22:43:01 | ishmal | actually, in a perfect world, the cardmsg should start up wlan-ng when it senses the new wireless card |
| 22:43:14 | ishmal | not just at bootup |
| 22:43:22 | ishmal | cardmgr |
| 22:43:24 | ishmal | i mean |
| 22:46:50 | ishmal | surely error messages go somewhere |
| 22:48:41 | tux_mike | i'm guessing the garbage collector |
| 23:04:24 | nelazul | does anybody know if openzaurus has been fixed to work with the MMC /home scripts? |
| 23:06:40 | ishmal | finally!! i think the entry for the linksys card in wlan-ng.conf was maybe wrong |
| 23:08:28 | sjohnson | ishmal: Type 'cardctl indent'. Add it's manf id to the .conf file. |
| 23:09:34 | tux_mike | kergoth: you there? |
| 23:10:00 | ishmal | that's what i did, i removed the serial info, and replaced it with the manfid's, now it works |
| 23:10:16 | Hella_Workin | Hello from mn-zug :) |
| 23:10:30 | ishmal | so i think there might have been a typo in the serial line |
| 23:11:29 | kergoth | tux_mike: yeah |
| 23:11:35 | ishmal | so,, now i can think again about porint my app to the Z |
| 23:11:37 | kergoth | tux_mike: writing the policy manual for the opie project. whats up? |
| 23:11:40 | ishmal | porting |
| 23:11:58 | tux_mike | kergoth: it's done compiling... just gotta copy it to my server |
| 23:12:08 | ishmal | i think my typing is cixelsyd |
| 23:12:13 | ishmal | ;) |
| 23:12:52 | ishmal | cool, and the native 'gcc' i made last week still works |
| 23:13:59 | ishmal | the thing that prevented me from burning the gcc native toolchin into the cf card already was difficulty in formatting/mounting the sd card as ext2 fs |
| 23:14:09 | ishmal | i mean the sd card |
| 23:14:15 | ishmal | not cf |
| 23:15:41 | tux_mike | kergoth: it's up, http://www.tuxnami.org/~mike/sl-5000 |
| 23:16:21 | tux_mike | you'll need the awt class file though |
| 23:16:29 | kergoth | k |
| 23:17:23 | tux_mike | you said you were gonna have a preivew of oz 3? |
| 23:19:24 | kergoth | yep, trying to clean up the filesystem at the moment |
| 23:19:58 | kergoth | trying to pull out a skeleton of hte filesystem to pull into my buildsystem so I can use that to produce the initrd rather than my old buildsystem |
| 23:23:39 | tux_mike | do you have openobex on it? |
| 23:24:07 | kergoth | nope. should i add it? |
| 23:24:33 | tux_mike | if you enable IR (which you should, to keep up with the Z) |
| 23:24:37 | kergoth | of course |
| 23:29:51 | tux_mike | kergoth: i didn't strip that build |
| 23:29:56 | kergoth | k |
| 23:30:02 | PanicOpticon | This is going to seem a completely random and illogical question, but do any of you have accounts on the yopydevl site? |
| 23:30:11 | kergoth | just realized his Z doesnt boot right now |
| 23:30:12 | kergoth | lol |
| 23:30:23 | kergoth | oops. |
| 23:30:24 | tux_mike | why not? |
| 23:30:29 | kergoth | testing jffs2 stuff |
| 23:30:40 | kergoth | ill switch to a jffs2 oz 2.6, which will work fine |
| 23:30:46 | tux_mike | any way to get it working? |
| 23:31:00 | kergoth | yeah ill reflash in a sec |
| 23:31:08 | tux_mike | ah |
| 23:31:40 | Neo|Work | can you reflash your Z even if you completely screw up the old image? |
| 23:31:53 | kergoth | as long as the bootloader is intact, you're fine |
| 23:32:08 | kergoth | i dont flash the bootloader at all, i just flash zImage and initrd.bin |
| 23:33:59 | tux_mike | kergoth: when you do romimage, that doesn't reflash the bootloader, does it? |
| 23:34:22 | kergoth | yeah it does. |
| 23:34:32 | tux_mike | ah |
| 23:34:38 | kergoth | so if you have a corrupt romimage.. and it just happens to corrupt a certain area in the romimage.. you're fucked |
| 23:34:48 | kergoth | the chances of that are slim, but its possible |
| 23:35:07 | kergoth | imho, sharp should only release a 'romimage' when they'ved updated the bootloader, to reduce risk |
| 23:35:44 | PanicOpticon | what about a hardback up for the loader. |
| 23:35:52 | kergoth | ? |
| 23:35:59 | PanicOpticon | for instance on an eprom... |
| 23:36:14 | kergoth | requires a hardware change. wont happen. |
| 23:36:19 | kergoth | not in the 5000 or 5500, that is |
| 23:36:27 | PanicOpticon | true, but in the long run... |
| 23:36:41 | kergoth | i'm saying they should release zImage + initrd.bin in rom upgrades on the 5000 & 5500. no reason to introduce unnecessary risk |
| 23:37:00 | tux_mike | ker: how do you update the file area? |
| 23:37:34 | kergoth | initrd.bin = root filesystem |
| 23:37:54 | tux_mike | a 16M initrd? |
| 23:38:00 | kergoth | no, 14.5 megs |
| 23:38:02 | kergoth | approx |
| 23:38:07 | kergoth | max |
| 23:39:05 | tux_mike | how big is OZ right now? |
| 23:39:20 | kergoth | like 13.6 megs or so |
| 23:39:21 | kergoth | iirc |
| 23:40:39 | MSpin | it'd be nice if the cradle had jtag ability |
| 23:41:10 | kergoth | yea |
| 23:41:41 | tux_mike | kergoth: i updated. this time it's stripped |
| 23:41:43 | MSpin | this strongarm board I'm playing with at the moment has the bootloader in a seperateeprom |
| 23:41:43 | kergoth | k |
| 23:42:02 | kergoth | MSpin: nice |
| 23:42:19 | PanicOpticon | Devel board? |
| 23:42:29 | MSpin | yeah, the GraphicsMaster |
| 23:42:37 | PanicOpticon | nice hardware. |
| 23:42:44 | MSpin | the production boards are hte same I suspect |
| 23:42:49 | MSpin | yeah I'm really impressed |
| 23:43:20 | MSpin | http://www.mspin.net/~jjhuff/front.jpg |
| 23:43:45 | MSpin | http://www.mspin.net/~jjhuff/board.jpg |
| 23:44:26 | PanicOpticon | drools. |
| 23:44:33 | Neo|Work | MSpin: what is it supposed to become? |
| 23:44:37 | Neo|Work | the board I mean. |
| 23:45:03 | MSpin | It's going to be an embedded machinery vibration monitering device |
| 23:45:29 | Neo|Work | ah. Good thing it has a penguin on it. :-)) |
| 23:45:41 | MSpin | Neo|Work: yup:) |
| 23:46:05 | MSpin | 640x480 lcd |
| 23:46:31 | Neo|Work | nice. How big lcd? |
| 23:47:00 | MSpin | 6" |
| 23:50:19 | PanicOpticon | Has anyone run accross a set ofdrivers for (Please dont kill me...) windows for the SA1100 USB to Eth controller? |
| 23:51:55 | kergoth | PanicOpticon: wouldnt that depend on what usb to eth driver the device is using? |
| 23:53:09 | PanicOpticon | True enough, its the one in the firmilar distrib |
| 23:53:36 | kergoth | ah, the standard usbnet linux driver then. i've heard rumors about a windows driver to talk to that, but never looked into it myself. |
| 23:54:26 | PanicOpticon | yea so have I... thats what i was asking about yopy... |
| 23:54:52 | PanicOpticon | it seems that windows ids the controlers as being the same ... which likely doesnt mean anything |
| 23:54:59 | PanicOpticon | but i figure its worth a shot. |
| 23:57:16 | PanicOpticon | unfortunately for me their development site requires you to register and either they hand approve them or their script is really slow... cause i cant get in ;o/ |
| 23:59:38 | ][N-Flux | hey Neo|Work |
| 23:59:43 | Neo|Work | heya |
